Python2121|trey|, it says premission denied even as sudo12:00
ions|ubuntuthanks for all your help |trey| !  12:00
ions|ubuntulater guys12:00
|trey|anders: I don't see it  :/12:00
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anders|trey|: must be there since it's named xxxx-ubuntu ?12:01
|trey|Python2121: hmm... lsmod | grep "audio"  12:01
|trey|tell me what that says12:01
Python2121nothing came up12:02
|trey|anders: I guess dude, but I just looked in all the pools, and don't see it...12:02
|trey|Python2121: you have a sound card right?12:02
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asdf_46Python2121, what kind of card do you have?12:02
Python2121its a dell d600 laptop12:02
Python2121i dont know what those have but id guess some intel thing12:03
asdf_46Python2121, how old is it?12:03
anders|trey|: ok..12:03
_Hiro_when I run a mono app as normal user it takes up 99.9 cpu and doesn't continue, when I run the mono app as root it starts fine, what could be wrong?12:03
Python21211 month12:03
|trey|asdf_46: lsmod is supposed to say if the hardware is detected... if its not there, thats a bad thing...12:03
|trey|_Hiro_: root's nice12:04
rileywhen using gunzip to uncompress a file, what does the error message "unexpected end of file" mean?12:04
|trey|riley: it means it wasn't done...12:04
asdf_46Python2121, look for the snd-i810 module12:04
agraupeso far I really like ubuntu...12:04
Python2121SIGMATEL STAC 9750 AC9712:04
agraupeI think this very well might become my distro of choice12:05
Python2121look online?12:05
Python2121or in apt get12:05
riley|trey|: well how do i get the extraction to work?12:05
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supertux_acpi blows12:05
|trey|agraupe: wait till Hoary till you make your dicision, and even after then, keep checking back to see the progress  :)12:05
credmpthe snd-i810 module is in the normal kernel sources12:05
asdf_46Python2121, try looking on www.alsa-project.org12:06
supertux_twice in a row on boot up it hangs my machine12:06
|trey|riley: file type, tar.gz? tgz? gz?12:06
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supertux_now this stupid turning off my hard drive deal again12:06
msoferhi again ... any wisdom about installing from HD (machine without CD)12:06
|trey|msofer: no netinst12:07
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supertux_hmmmm i guess its not acpi since i killed it and it still happens12:07
Python2121if its in the kernel sources shouldn't it pick it up automatically?12:07
|trey|even if there were, most are too big now... you should invest in cdrom drives...12:07
|trey|Python2121: Nvidia is closed source12:08
credmpbrb switching nv driver12:08
supertux_i wonder if it is possible my hard drive is dieing?12:08
Python2121its intel12:08
|trey|eh, then yeah12:08
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defendguingod damn12:09
|trey|if you did something wrong... change priority level of debconf (dpkg-reconfigure it) and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:09
Python2121is there a way i get can the system to load the proper module?12:09
|trey|Python2121: Discover is supposed to, but failed it would seem...12:10
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Python2121heres the thing12:11
Python2121to get it to boot i think i downloaded some new alsa something12:11
tortoise__does anyone know how to add a forth option to the log out dialogue, say hibernate for example??12:11
Python2121cause it was messing up when esound was loading12:11
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asdf_46Python2121, so it was working?12:12
Python2121i dont know, i never got the system to boot into gnome12:12
|trey|Python2121: apt-get install libesd-alsa012:12
Python2121but i do remember it was being seen12:12
bagpussdon't reconfigure debconf.  Just tell dpkg-reconfigure the priority to show: dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree8612:13
|trey|Python2121: for sng, also modprobe snd-the_sound_module12:13
Python2121where can i find a list of modules?12:13
defendguindoes anyone know about linux laptop power management?12:13
bagpussit should show all questions anyway12:14
|trey|bagpuss: That works too  :)12:14
bagpussreconfiguring debconf for a one-time deal is silly :)12:14
asdf_46defendguin, what are you tring to do with it?12:14
defendguinasdf_46, my laptop is getting a bad habbit of turning off its hard drive12:14
defendguinthis really effects performance12:15
asdf_46defendguin, I think that may be a hdparm thing.12:15
defendguinand annoying to boot12:15
defendguinplease explain12:15
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defendguinit just started today12:15
asdf_46defendguin, use man hdparm I think it says something in there.12:15
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joshuahi, how can I upgrade all upgradeable packages using only apt-get (not synaptic?)12:16
asdf_46defendguin, it might be the -B option12:16
credmpjoshua, dist-upgrade12:17
credmpapt-get -h12:17
joshuacredmp: wait: "dist-upgrade" or "apt-get -h" ?12:17
goatboyjoshua: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade12:17
credmpjoshua, what do you see when you do apt-get -h?12:18
Python2121hey guys maybe this will provide a little more info, if i run alsaconf it detects the card, i also recognize it now on insmod12:18
Python2121when it does alsa start it gives an error and then says its ready to be used but it doesn't show up on alsa mixer12:19
Python2121"alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found..."12:19
asdf_46Python2121, good luck with that.12:19
asdf_46Does anyone know how to make Ubuntu use local time instead of UTC?12:21
steveodedit /etc/default/rcS12:22
WW_asdf_46: Try right-clicking on the clock, and select  Preferences12:22
defendguinasdf_46, i think i got it thanks12:23
defendguinnope that didnt do it12:23
defendguinit keeps spinning down12:23
_Hiro_ok the mono problem can besolved by killing .wapi :)12:24
defendguinasdf_46, i just disabled power management12:24
defendguini wonder if it will still stop12:24
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asdf_46Thanks steveod and WW_ I used both answers.12:25
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Python2121where is the default kernel source directory?12:27
sn0wmanPython2121, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.712:28
monteiroanyone knows anyone knows the directory where i should install the java plugin so firefox can use it ?12:29
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sn0wmando this: ln -sf /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/12:31
sn0wmanassuming you installed java in /usr/java12:31
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monteirosn0wman : thanx12:34
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sn0wmannp :)12:35
monteirocan i use another mirrors ?12:36
monteirolike debian mirrors ?12:36
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monteirobecause i wanted to install a game and stuff12:36
mdzcarlos: ubuntu is just as easy to install under UML as Debian12:36
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|trey|monteiro: if you use debian mirrors, exclude main12:36
monteiroexclude main ?12:37
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monteiroexclude all ubuntu mirrors ?12:37
carlosmdz: I know how to do it with debootstrap, I'm trying to install it from the installer12:37
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carlosI found a command you gave me some months ago, but it hangs:12:38
carloslinux initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=14000 root=/dev/ram0 mem=128M di-utils-reboot/halt=true ubda=gandalf.img eth0=tuntap,uml-monitor12:38
carlosStarting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd.12:38
carlosTrying to enable the frame buffer...12:38
punkass_monteiro: i think he meant exlude debian main..so it doesnt overwrite ubuntus packages12:38
carlosand the last line is repeated for ever12:38
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monteiropunkass_ : i don't understand12:39
punkass_well: ubuntu has 3 groups of packages:  main, restricted, and universe12:41
punkass_as does debian,12:41
punkass_they just use different names12:41
punkass_well main is the same12:41
punkass_so if u and debain sources dont add the main source12:42
punkass_and = add12:42
|trey|Hmm, quesiton, what are the benifits of Syslogd and klogd over Metalog?12:42
monteiropunkass_ : but all mirrors have main 12:43
firemouthI am in need of some help getting a fresh install of Ubuntu to boot. Anyone willing to lend a hand?12:43
|trey|punkass_: the correct explaination is "main and universe contain all the packages from debian's main repository"12:44
monteiropunkass_ -> deb http://ftp.ua.pt/arch/debian stable main contrib non-free12:44
|trey|monteiro: s/stable/sid/     s/main//12:44
punkass_sorry yes...only have paying attention...working :)12:45
|trey|monteiro: you don't want main from Debian... it will conflict with packages Ubuntu provides...12:45
monteiroi want some debian mirrors to download games :(12:46
|trey|monteiro: you end up quite a skrewed up system, not advisable...12:46
|trey|monteiro: bzflag is in universe, its my favorate game right now  :)12:46
monteirou have the mirrors that came with the instalation ?12:47
|trey|s/end up/end up with/12:47
|trey|monteiro: yeah12:47
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|trey|deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main universe12:48
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|trey|deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main12:48
monteiroi had that commented12:48
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monteirono i dont :)12:48
|trey|You can add "resticted" if you have proprietary drivers12:48
|trey|There is also multiverse, not sure what kinda packages go in there yet though...12:49
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punkass_multiverse...lol...funny/cool name12:51
|trey|punkass_: the "funny/cool name" is very unclear to me right now  :/12:51
|trey|I guess its going to link to other repo's, that would appear to make sense...12:52
punkass_with a name like that it would yeah..12:52
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bulvinehello all12:53
|trey|The announcement texts I read on the subject aren't clear, and I can find no other info  :(12:54
|trey|bulvine: high12:54
bulvine<--  just installed ubuntu12:54
bulvine<--- is new to Linux as well12:55
|trey|bulvine: cool, need help?12:55
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bulvineubuntu is basically a friendly version of Debian Correct?12:55
|trey|bulvine: basically, that is the aim, yes  :)12:56
|trey|bulvine: I like to state its kinda like Fedora user experience + Debian package management ... for me, perfection.12:56
jba_I don't want to sound like an luser, but the support faq didn't really tell me how to go about adding mp3 encoding capabilities in the ubuntu world12:57
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bulvineI tried debian about a year ago and it frustrated me away from Linux.  Now I have a Suse personal system and now I amd dual booting my main box with ubuntu12:57
jba_bulvine, trey got it spot on12:58
firemouthI cannot get a new install of Ubuntu to boot up. This PC would boot debian either. Think I need help with grub.12:58
jba_except for the mp3/dvd support12:58
bulvinebut I did not see a prompt at boot for my XP install.  I sure hope its still there12:58
firemouthNever had a problem booting with Red Hat or Fedora though. 12:59
bulvineLinux doesnt have the DVD burning tools I need to do away with my XP install12:59
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swimwhere is the source list file?12:59
_Hiro_in /etc/apt01:00
mdzbulvine: you need to press escape at boot to display the menu01:00
jba__Hiro_, protagonist?01:00
bulvineyeah  I saw that,  wasn;t sure what that was but I figured that was what it was,  thanks01:00
_Hiro_nope :)01:00
_Hiro_never even read it01:00
jba_aah, i'm reading it at the moment, thought it was a coincidence01:01
bulvineis there a good usernet software for ubuntu01:01
jba_so can anyone help me find out where i can at least get mp3 encoding libs for ubuntu? I just bought a new ipod and want to rip my collection on my linux box01:01
jba_previously they were all ogg vorbis files01:02
jdubjba_: they're not available in main/universe01:02
jdubjba_: you'll have to find them in another repository01:02
jdubthere might be one listed on the wiki01:02
jdubor in the faq01:02
jba_hey jdub, you're a fellow aussie aren't you?01:02
jba_didn't find one in the faq, gonna go search the wiki now01:03
jdubit's on the main page01:03
jba_as in jdub from planet.gnome01:03
moyogobulvine: usernet? usenet like newgroups?01:03
jba_thanks dude01:03
bulvineyeah  newsgroups and bin decrypter built in01:04
_Hiro_jba http://www.rarewares.org/01:04
moyogobulvine: hmmm you might want to try pan01:04
_Hiro_lame binaries01:04
bulvineI heard PAN was good but I couldnt get it installed in my SUSE install01:04
moyogobulvine: maybe there's a good kde one then01:04
jba_jdub, as it turns out there are two faqs on the topic, it seems the second one is more informative01:05
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bulvinehere is a stupid question,  is Quake III free on Linux?   I have the windows version01:07
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credmpthe client is iirc01:09
credmpyou just need to have the CD for the original windows version01:09
moyogobulvine: you can download the binaries for free01:11
moyogobulvine: but you'll need the cd to play01:11
credmpif i recall correctly... iirc01:11
bulvineiirc some kind of front end or something?01:12
credmpno.. it's an acronym01:12
credmpif i recall correctly01:12
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jonohi all01:17
jonoKamion, ping01:17
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mdzcarlos: I did some work months ago to make d-i play nicely with UML, but I didn't keep up with their development and it stopped working again at some point01:17
jonoare there plans to have a gui based installed in hoary, or will each installer remain d-i based?01:18
carlosmdz: ok, don't worry, thanks01:18
neighborleehow do I make a rescue disk01:19
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jononeighborlee, what do you need to do?01:21
neighborleejono: i'm prepping to reinstall XP ( ugh I know but no choice) so I need a way back into ubuntu...01:21
bulvinehumm m  the only thing I can find is a purchase version to play quake on Linux.01:22
jononeighborlee, your ubuntu system wont boot?01:23
neighborleejono: it wont after I install XP01:23
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neighborleejono: im in ubuntu right now but I dont know how to make a boot disk..which I need since ubuntu CD installer has no rescue mode that I can find01:24
jononeighborlee, ok, well Kamion showed me that you can use the ubuntu install disk and when you get to the partitioning stage, flick to another virtual termal (ctl-alt-f2) and then you can access a shell - while there you mount the partition, chroot it and you can access it01:24
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neighborleejono: ok thx01:25
Tux234Hey |trey| you there01:25
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Jisaowhich partition do you mount, jono?01:29
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jonoJisao, mount /dev/disc0/part[n]  wherever, if I remember01:33
Jisaook, tx jono01:34
jonoJisao, no probs dude :)01:34
topgun601how do i change window mangaers?01:36
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jacobI never get any video when playing avi's using Totem. Anyone else know of this ?01:38
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jonojacob, get totem-xine01:39
jonojacob, I think it is in universe though01:39
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jimerichanyone here who can help with a routing question01:41
[photon] hey... have people had any success putting x.org in their installations?01:41
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|trey|[photon] : wait until Hoary for xorg01:45
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|trey|[photon] : it provides no noticeable benifits right now anyway...01:46
jimerichAnyone here able to HELP with a routing question?01:46
|trey|When compose is done... then it will be nice....01:46
|trey|jimerich: not if you don't ask the question, no01:46
tom_I cannot get java to work 01:47
|trey|tom_: no one can get java plugins to work with firefox.01:47
tom_Thank you01:47
tom_I laugh with relief01:48
punkass_does ubuntu have icewm in the reps?01:48
tom_and now I wait......01:48
jimerichI've installed software for my wireless but I'm having trouble with pinging in one direction01:48
|trey|punkass_: in universal probably01:48
punkass_ok...probably the best for an old 166 eh?01:48
|trey|jimerich: interface set to full deplex?01:48
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jimerichit's an internal USB01:49
jimerichhow do I tell?01:49
|trey|punkass_: xfce4 and fluxbox are also good options.01:49
|trey|jimerich: not entirely sure... google knows though, I bet.01:49
punkass_ah didnt think that xfce4 was as light as icewm/fluxbox01:49
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|trey|it is, plus it loads GTK apps a lot faster...01:49
cardadortom_: thats strange cause i allways get java working with firefox01:50
jimerichI can ping my AP but I can't ping my desktop, however my desktop can ping my WIFI machine01:50
punkass_cool...am i able to tell ubuntu to install that instead of gnome on install?01:50
|trey|cardador: Firefox preview release in Ubuntu right now does not work with Java plugin.01:50
|trey|cardador: its confirmed by many people...01:51
Livewirenormal Mozilla is availaible for Ubuntu right?01:51
jimerichmy firefox broke when I tried to install the recent FTP update01:51
|trey|punkass_: yes, but you have to edit d-i's config file.01:51
|trey|Livewire: yes01:51
|trey|and supported01:51
punkass_i can do that after i have booted up the cd?01:51
cardadori have java working with firefox01:52
|trey|punkass_: nope01:52
cardadormaybe im lucky :)01:52
|trey|needs to be on the CD already...01:52
punkass_ah so i have to edit the iso01:52
|trey|cardador: go to games.yahoo.com/pl, log in, try to join a room01:53
|trey|Java works fine on some pages, others, not so much  :/01:54
punkass_or i guess i could do a base install then install Xfce and xfre8601:54
punkass_via apt-get01:54
|trey|punkass_: you need to select packages, hence you need the config file to do that...01:54
cardador|trey|: i dont have a login/pass :(01:55
|trey|cardador: then just take my word for it  :/01:55
|trey|How do you get away with not having a Yahoo account?01:55
cardadorwhat do you mean?01:55
|trey|cardador: it was one of the first things I ever signed up for  :/01:56
cardador|trey|: what do i need an yahoo account for??01:56
bagpusspunkass: if you prefer, you can build the system you want once, then use the bootcd package to write it to a live CD that you can use to instal other systems01:56
|trey|free mail account for junk mail stuff... free games... many things they offer01:57
|trey|The largest portal on the internet afaik01:57
cardador|trey|: ever heard of gmail?01:57
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cardadore can give you an account if you want01:57
|trey|yeah, I have an account... thats for bulk mail I want though  :/01:57
UbuLaptopanyone willing to help me with a x-server problem?01:58
|trey|not if you don't ask it...01:58
UbuLaptopi just installed on my laptop and there is a fuzzy bar down the middle.  also a quater of the screen on the left is a duplicate screen so im seeing double02:00
|trey|UbuLaptop: bad resolution, color settings...02:00
UbuLaptoptry reso first?02:01
jimerichI'd guess it's related to a refresh rate, although I've never noticed that on a laptop02:01
UbuLaptoprefresh is stuck at 6002:02
jimerichmost LCD's have only one resolutions they work well at02:02
jimerichothers tend to make letters and lines fuzzy02:02
UbuLaptopthanks for the tips ill play around02:02
|trey|both can be configured during install... linux vga=(something from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 that applies to you)02:03
|trey|About half way down, 10.a02:03
jonoanyone know any cool hacks that could go into my new book?02:04
jonothe book is Linux Desktop Hacks by O'Reilly02:04
|trey|linux vga=791 ... if that fails... linux vga=nofb02:04
jonowe are interested in contributors adding some hacks02:04
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UbuntLaptopany idea off hand what reso the installer uses?02:05
|trey|jono: the people who would be interested are in #ubuntu-devel, although thats maybe not a good place to ask...02:05
|trey|UbuntLaptop: whatever you tell it to...02:05
UbuntLaptopit hasnt asked for any reso02:06
|trey|But default isn't working  :/02:07
jono|trey|, cheers02:07
UbuntLaptopi mean the installing menu02:07
Jisaohave you tried expert?02:08
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|trey|no... when you typed "enter" you needed to add kernel parameter "linux vga=nofb", hit f3 I think for how02:08
|trey|Its like the first screen02:08
UbuntLaptopok, thanks.02:08
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Tux234Sweet Everything WORKS!!!!!02:09
Tux234I was just testing my internet connection02:09
|trey|Tux234: yay? why were you trying to send me files earlier without asking?02:09
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jeedeeHey, anyone installed the radeon drivers on ubuntu? (To get good GL performances)02:10
Tux234oops I'm new to this IRC thing and I was tryin to in touch with you02:10
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Tux234I had a problem but I fixed it02:10
Tux234again sorry :( won't happen again02:11
|trey|You talk in channels enless you get permission to talk in private... I don't know you, don't assume we are friends...02:11
Tux234sorry :( :(02:11
tom_has anyone had xawtv work correctly, then only give a black picture and the picture sometimes only turns up in kaffeine?  Sound is always present and correct with the channel changes02:11
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|trey|I will help with problems etc, and usually will say yes to other communication, but ask02:12
|trey|Kinda rude02:12
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Tux234sorry :( :( 02:13
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jeedeeAnyone has a clue on how to install radeon drivers on ubuntu?02:14
uxi9000check out the binary howto in the wiki02:14
Tux234won't happen again02:14
jeedeethank you uxi900002:16
uxi9000cool, they worked well for me. be warned that the screen resolution tool in the menu will no longer work.02:17
Tux234I don't think I was sending files though I thought i did a chat? but I guess iwas wrong :(02:18
jeedeeMmm it says that the restricted modules has unresolvable dependencies02:18
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jeedeeI did add all the repositories02:19
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jeedeeMaybe it's not yet stable on amd6402:22
Tux234Um does anybody happen to know where I can get plugins for Firefox02:22
Tux234like Flash java02:22
uxi9000plug-ins or extensions??02:23
Tux234plugins I think02:23
Tux234Mainly for Flash02:24
uxi9000jeedee what has unresolvable dependencdies  did you apt-get install the fglrx package??02:24
uxi9000Just click on a link in a page that is asking for flash and be redirected or go to macromedia and grab it.02:24
jeedeeI tried to install the linux-restricted-modules first02:24
jeedeeThen it gave me an error02:24
Tux234How about java?02:24
jeedeelinux-restricted-modules-2.6-amd64-k8: Depends: linux-restricted-modules- but it is not installable02:25
jeedeeE: Broken packages02:25
uxi9000oh your using amd64 , there is a thread in the user mail list about the amd64 drivers, I dont think you can get it to work for ati yet.....02:25
jeedeeah bummer :(02:25
jeedeeI wanted to try WineX4 (Cedega) but without decent GL drivers I think it's impossible :( Oh another issue, whenever I try to add new keyb languages (fr, canada) it just gives me an xkb error02:26
uxi9000wait for the ubuntu final, hopefully ati will get something together.  Hopefully i will become fulltime linux dependent because of ubuntu, that will mean future graphics cards will most likely be Nvidia 02:26
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jeedeeI see02:27
jeedeeDo you think final will require a full reinstall?02:27
smeggyIt won't.02:27
uxi9000No, they say you will be able to upgrade staight to the new files02:27
uxi9000Where in french canada do you live02:27
steveodit should be just like debian in that sense,02:28
uxi9000Quebec city?02:28
uxi9000Vous etes une quebecois?02:28
jeedeeOui :)02:28
uxi9000je parle un peu02:28
jeedeeIm trying to get this keyboard to work and it outputs an error02:28
jeedeeTu es bon :)02:28
uxi9000hmm, ,let me look02:28
agraupetell me, what package would one apt-get to install new themes for gnome?02:28
jeedeeThank you02:28
agraupejeedee: I took enough french in school to understand some things, but I'm useless at speaking (I live in Calgary)02:30
jeedeeCool :)02:30
jeedeeIm coming back from archLinux and im trying to understand the debian package manager, it's really neat02:31
linux_mafiaahh oui, french, the language of love02:31
uxi9000jeedee, are you trying to write some documents?  you might be able to add accents in open office?  I have never tried.  I always add hotkeys for the commands02:31
steveodi use arch on my file server, it is quite nice02:31
jeedeeThat's right!02:31
uxi9000ever tried a french keyboard?02:31
jeedeeYea Im going to try, meanwhile I'd like to understand why it's not working. It did the same thing on many other distributions02:31
theantixhas anyone here done a woody->warty transition?  just wondering what to look out for, if anything02:31
jeedeeFrench keyboard is azerty :(02:31
uxi9000yeah i just tried and got the same errors...02:32
uxi9000post a question on users mail list....also i notice there was a link there to a french speaking ubuntu list...they may be able to help you 02:32
agraupejeedee: I'm taking spanish now, so I dealt with accents a bit with linux.  there are a few lines to set in XF86Config02:32
agraupejeedee: I could help you with accents02:32
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jeedeeYea I know I could configure it this way but it would have been great if it really worked by the config tool02:33
SamBozo<jeedee> Im coming back from archLinux .. may I ask why the switch? I installed ubuntu , but was considering arch02:33
uxi9000how do you launch webmin???02:33
steveodSamBozo: I switched as well, at least my desktop mostly because it has a nicer interface02:34
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jeedeeWell I love arch but for desktop use ubuntu allow me to avoid all the manual configuration (cd mounting/unmounting, soundcard, ect.)02:34
whiprushagraupe: try gnome-themes-extras02:34
steveodSamBozo, though you can setup everything yourself I guess and it would be the same02:34
SamBozohttps://localhost:10000  uxi9000   I think02:34
agraupejeedee: well, in some instances, you do need to go to command line (or at least edit a config file)02:35
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smegis there any documentation on how to switch window mangers?02:35
agraupejeedee: for accents, I will walk you through it step by step02:35
jeedeeYea I am aware but well, I liked ubuntu ... I will keep arch for my server tho02:35
SamBozo1st 2 items I went to get were xfce4 and bluefish <g>02:35
jeedeeOh I know how to deal with accents thank you :)02:35
uxi9000wow thats cool02:36
SamBozojust install the other desktop and gdm will have it as a menu oprion02:36
uxi9000what all does this thing do??02:36
smegsamnozo im trying to switch to fluxbox but apt-get install fluxbox will not work any sugestions?02:36
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SamBozowhat source location are you using?02:37
agraupeis gnome-theme-extras part of a package list which is not configured by default?02:37
SamBozoand what is the error02:37
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smegthe ubuntu defaul02:37
SamBozowhat is the error02:37
smegE: coun't find pacage  fluxbox02:38
SamBozolet me look02:39
agraupealso, if I uncomment sources in sources.list, and apt-get update, can I then recomment them to remove the additional packages (so I can keep a clean ubuntu system as much as possible)?02:39
jeedeeHey I think im going to go back to i386 ubuntu even if I have a amd64...only one question tho, any clue why my install cdrom wouldnt mount? (Even if I am in the install)02:39
SamBozosmeg in synaptic you will need to change repositorys to get it (I think02:40
agraupeor will I forever be doomed to the universal package list if I switch?02:40
uxi9000jeedee, did you notice a speed differenc with i686 ubuntu??02:40
SamBozoagraupe, I switched to get xfce4 and bluefish and then went back and so far all it well02:40
jeedeeDon't know, the i386 wont let me install so it's hard to say02:41
agraupeI'm hoping that the ubuntu livecd will be on par or better than knoppix02:41
agraupeit would be great to have a livecd demonstrator and be able to install the same distro without any of the knoppix hdinstall drawbacks02:41
smegSamBozo: i dont have a gui02:42
jeedeeOh great now my cd won't eject :o02:42
agraupecan I switch to a more restrictive list of repositories (I only want to use universal for packages that aren't anywhere else)02:42
SamBozo??? smeg  no gui .. why do u want fluxbox?02:42
SamBozowhat kind of install did u do to have no gui?02:43
smegSamBozo: gnome keeps giveing me an error when i try to start it02:43
SamBozois it an error from xf86 or gnome?02:43
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SamBozoif it's an x error .. like the wrong card then flux box isn't going to help?02:44
smegSamBozo: it comes up to the login prompt02:44
smegbut when i login it hangs 02:44
SamBozohmm 02:44
smegin the .xsession file i get /dev/dsp: no such device02:44
SamBozothat's just saying it's looking for the sound card02:45
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SamBozoshouldn't stop it .. just delay it02:45
smeghow long of a delay?02:45
smegiv given it like 10 min02:45
Kamionjono: pong02:45
guitarbuddhaI have a quick question where can i get the kernel headers for
Kamion00:18 < jono> are there plans to have a gui based installed in hoary, or will each installer remain d-i based?02:45
SamBozodid u click on the ok02:45
Kamionjono: both at the same time, if I have anything to do with it02:46
jonoKamion, heya man :)02:46
smegi did not see an ok 02:46
jonoKamion, it was great meeting you the other day02:46
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SamBozothere is on on the error for /dev/dsp wondow02:46
steveodlinux-kernel-headers-686 or -38602:46
agraupecouldn't find package gnome-theme-extras02:46
jonoKamion, it was a shame I couldnt stick around a bit longer - I was running around like a headless chicken - when you freelance you have a thousand bosses ;P02:47
SamBozou click ok (get out of my face about it) and then it continues to boot02:47
steveodoh wait 2.6-68602:47
agraupeI have the universal sources uncommented and I did apt-get update02:47
SamBozomight just kit enter and it will go ahead02:47
agraupedo I also need to do apt-get dist-update?02:47
Kamionjono: yeah, understood, will try to swing up to Brum sometime and meet up for a beer02:47
smegWTF? it just came up02:47
Kamionsorry my visit had to be a bit truncated too, I'd've liked to stay for the day02:47
jonoKamion, yeah, sure :) I still need to buy you one02:47
jonoKamion,  no probs, you seema busy chap at the moment02:48
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guitarbuddhaI know I should be able to get the kernel source thru apt-get and have added just about every source still cannot find kernel headers for ,anybody have a clue ,any help would be appreciated02:48
steveodapt-get install linux-kernel-headers-2.6-68602:49
steveodor 38602:49
SamBozou do a search for kernel-headers   in synaptic?02:49
guitarbuddhayeah didnt pull it up 02:49
Kamionjono: hopefully workload'll drop a bit post-warty for a while02:49
SamBozotry just the one word    headers02:49
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steveodno kernel damn, just headers02:50
guitarbuddhasteveod will those headers work with
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steveodguitarbuddha, just do linux-headers-2.6-38602:50
steveodguitarbuddha, yeah if you use these ones they will update everytime the kernel does02:50
SamBozoguitarbuddha, are you trying to satisfy vmware's request for headers?02:50
guitarbuddhayeah I am 02:50
SamBozolol .. so am I .. now on day 302:51
steveodguitarbuddha, previously i put kernel, but they don't appear in the name just linux-headers02:51
guitarbuddhaahhh let me look 02:51
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SamBozothis try I went to debians site and got the kernel-source-2.6.8-2.6.802:52
guitarbuddhaperfect steve they just named it different thanks alot 02:52
agraupeI can't install the gnome-theme-extras package... even in the universal repository it doesn't seem to exist02:52
guitarbuddhawas giving me a major headache02:53
Python2121hey, quick question, im trying to build a driver for a sound card but it says that ; /lib/modules/ No such file or directory.  Is there any way to get that directory? or is it located in a different place?02:53
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steveodagraupe, is it gnome-themes-extras02:53
SamBozonow trying to compile it .. u have to use a deb kernel so it has some freaking cramfs patch in it so it can do a --initrd  option dueing the make-kpkg02:53
jeedeeHey, any workaround so I can run i386 binaries on my amd64 ubuntu?02:54
guitarbuddhasam just do the search as linux headers02:54
steveodjeedee: for 3d?02:54
guitarbuddhain synaptic02:54
SamBozoyea sell me the 64 I'll ship u my k702:54
SamBozowell it's wa a thought02:54
jeedeeWrong answer Sam :)02:54
jeedeeFor 3d and cedega02:55
SamBozodid I mention cheep?02:55
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SamBozodang it02:55
steveodjeedee: i saw something in the mailing list02:55
guitarbuddhathanks again02:55
SamBozomake[4] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `drivers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.02:55
SamBozocrap .. looks like this isn't gonna work either02:56
SamBozoI tried the headers guitarbuddha that failed also02:56
guitarbuddhareally uh oh lol02:56
Python2121hmm so no one has any idea how to get the /usr/src/linuxkernelhere/modules/build directory?02:57
SamBozosaid i needed something else .. that I know is there id u compile for ur self .. that's why I'm trying to do it that way02:57
jeedeeAnd most of the time when you install an app by synaptic (like anjuta) does it add itself to the gnome menu?02:57
guitarbuddhaI will try it here in a min02:57
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SamBozoI'll cross my dflippers for u02:57
guitarbuddhathanx hehe02:58
steveodjeedee: there is a complete howto on the mailing list with a script that fixes the gl files02:58
jeedeeok thank you02:58
Telepany idea how I can start an app (an SSH session in this case) using a different locale than the default?02:58
TelepI'm using utf-8 but need an ssh session with iso-8859-102:59
ionrockI recompiled my kernel for a laptop and it was not able to find the root file system. I had thought this was because of not having an initrd image but I tried it with one but it was a no go. any ideas? The only thing I noticed was that the ubunut kernel didn't seem to find it either but used lvm to boot (at least that is what I think happened)02:59
steveodnice, just found out i have about 12 dell laptops at work that have recalled power supplies02:59
KamionTelep: LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1 ssh02:59
KamionTelep: you may also want to investigate luit to do actual encoding translation02:59
jeedeesteveod : did you see anyone reporting an error with missing drivers on the i386 install cd? It wont find my ubuntu install cd and the console says missing drivers Yukon Ethernet ect03:00
TelepKamion: hmm, that's how I thought it should work, but no :(03:00
KamionTelep: make sure you don't have LC_ALL set then03:00
Telepin my .bashrc?03:01
Telepor somewhere else?03:01
Telepaccording to "locale" it is empty03:01
steveodjeedee: no i didn't see anything about that, not sure exactly what you mean though, it won't find your nic when you start the install? or it won't find the cd?03:01
jeedeeWell so far the farthest I got is when it is searching for a ubuntu install cd03:02
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Se7hi've just notice that flsh doesn't play the sound03:04
steveodjeedee: i had some problems with my install cd, due to the burn process not working out, but other than that i am not sure03:04
KamionTelep: remember that ssh doesn't propagate the locale to the other side of the connection03:04
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jeedeeIt worked on another computer with the same cd, I'll try other stuff :)03:04
KamionTelep: if you want it set on the remote end, you'll have to do that by hand03:04
swoonI just installed ubuntu for amd64, I did not update off the internet yet, I installed and it started gnome but on my laptop I get problems with the screen right now it is only the center portion about 10 inches x 10 in...  03:04
swoonwhat should I do? update everything? or install the new nvidia driver?03:05
swoonin other distros this has also happened, and it seemed that installing the new driver fixed that problem...03:05
appleworkitbabyDoes anyone know if Ubuntu Linux support Zoom Modems on PPC?03:05
appleworkitbabyUSB ports...03:05
TelepKamion: well it's just that this way has worked previously for the same server :)03:06
Teleppreviously = when I was using Gentoo on the same laptop03:06
appleworkitbabyYellowDog doesn't03:06
agraupeI am hearing system sounds, but I cannot hear my CD play in the CD Player application... what is likely the problem?03:06
joemagraupe, have the cd volume set proper?03:07
ionrockdoes anyone know if the ubuntu kernel has any of the software susupend stuff compiled in?03:07
swoon... ?03:07
monteirodo i have any burning program in ubuntu ?03:07
agraupejoem: ah... that was it03:08
appleworkitbabyalrighty, I will just make the assumption that no one knows...:/03:08
agraupejoem: on previous distros I always used xmms to play them, which uses the PCM channel03:08
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swooncan anyone help me?03:09
agraupejust out of curiosity, does ubuntu use OSS or ALSA by default?03:09
steveodswoon: have you tried changing the resolution03:10
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steveodalsa, it is part of kernel 2.6, oss is depreciated03:10
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KamionTelep: what's "this way"?03:10
agraupebut the sound mixer has an OSS option... which seems to be the default03:10
joemagraupe, uses alsa and oss emulation via alsa03:10
agraupeis this just alsa emulation?03:10
agraupeoss emulation, rather?03:10
agraupehow can I get it to use pure alsa?03:11
laanderanyone had troubles when logging out or rebooting the X server hangs?03:11
joemdon't use oss output for anything I guess03:11
Se7hhow can i list all pids running ?03:12
KamionSe7h: 'ps ax'03:12
agraupejoem: I have just muted all the OSS channels, which seems to be working03:12
joemthat won't help any, if something ever trys to use oss output for some reason, you won't hear it..just set output to alsa where the option is available03:13
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joemin some cases, oss emulation is needed. Thats why it is there03:14
joem(yea, the mixer interface sucks though)03:14
TelepKamion: Changing the encoding via the menu in Gnome-terminal works fine, so why wouldn't it work the way you suggested?03:16
steveoddebate is making me nervous, 03:16
steveodguess not as many people are as concerned aroudn here03:16
agraupetotem doesn't seem to like .mov files...03:17
agraupehow do I add an application to the application menu?03:17
joemright click, add to menu, add launcher 03:17
joemagraupe, do you have the proper codecs installed?03:18
agraupejoem: I guess not...03:18
agraupejoem: what do  I right click?  right clicking the menu doesn't do anything03:18
joemright click inside of the menu, not on the actual menu name03:19
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joemthen under entire menu, there is an add launcher option03:19
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agraupejoem: how would one install the codecs03:23
steveodagraupe: libquicktime0 or something like that03:23
agraupesteveod: is there a metapackage that would install a bunch of codecs?03:24
guitarbuddhaok i give up I installed the header files vmware still will not compile03:24
guitarbuddhaalso downloaded the kernel source and used the path to that get an error saying The path "/home/philip/linux-" is an existing directory, but it03:25
guitarbuddhadoes not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as03:25
steveodcan you just download vmware source? or do you purchase it03:26
agraupehmm... xine installs with no problem and contains all the codecs...03:26
punkasswould ubuntu be ok on a 333 with 32MB o ram?03:26
guitarbuddhayeah I bought it 03:26
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guitarbuddhado you think compiling the source would work better?03:27
steveodoh, i was going to see if i could get it working or something since people have a lot of problems with it03:27
j^can i hit some counter for sucessfull ubuntu installations i do?03:27
guitarbuddhakind of out of options i suppose hmm03:28
sn0wmanlol, bush just said "internets"03:29
steveodsn0wman, i thought that was pretty funny myself03:29
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steveodnow bush is crying03:32
sn0wmanthrowing a fit03:32
Teleplol, Blair and Berlusconi sure are good examples :D03:32
sn0wmanwhat was wrong with that woman?03:33
Telepmaybe they can all go and retire together when Bush loses the elections...03:33
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mariohello -R03:35
joemagraupe, it says on that wiki packe03:37
joemer page03:37
SamBozoguitarbuddha, I'm trying compiling the kernel .. again .. this time I'm not using the make oldconfig .. trying to keep what I had .. doing it from scratch this time ..03:37
SamBozowhen u do it check out the man make-kpkg  the --initrd part03:38
guitarbuddhaIm kind of a newbie with this compiling the kernel is abit above me03:39
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agraupejoem: says what?03:40
SamBozome to but I have no chouce03:40
SamBozoI want vmware03:40
guitarbuddhaok lol03:41
mariois possible install Ubuntu without a booteable cd-rom drive? my scsi cd-rom does not support boot.03:41
agraupehow can I install libdvdcss?  what repository do I need to add?03:41
opimario: you could find floppy disk with kernel that supports your CDROM03:42
opimario: and then try to boot it03:42
marioopi: this floppys in the Ubuntu homepage?03:42
marioin the CD?03:42
opimario: don't know :(03:43
marioopi: ok, thanks03:43
SamBozoguitarbuddha, http://www.desktop-linux.net/howtos.htm  the http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm   page03:43
smoagraupe: I believe there's pointers in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/03:43
SamBozoagraupe, look on debians package page and do a search for ti03:44
SamBozonevermind agraupe it ain't in there03:45
joemagraupe, that wiki page I linked you to tells you all of that03:46
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agraupexine is now playing dvds03:49
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j^does Print take a screenshot for someone else here?03:53
j^it is set in the menu by default, but then pressing print nothing happens03:54
agraupeI don't mind mplayer, but I don't like totem... it doesn't play things03:55
agraupein my experience03:55
agraupeit can't play .movs OR any part of my dvd03:55
agraupebut I've got xine, so I'm happy03:55
joemtotem has a xine backend you know03:56
mjrI was about to echo that03:56
defendguinwhat is this ubuntu-desktop that just appeared in apt?03:56
agraupejoem: when I installed totem-xine, it couldn't do anything either03:56
joemdefendguin, looks like a metapackage for the desktop03:57
agraupeoh, now it's working... before it just showed a blue screen03:57
sn0wmanwhere can i get some babbling green eye-shades?03:58
defendguinjoem, i guess ill install it03:58
Telepsn0wman: :D03:58
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rexiboyhey guys03:59
defendguini guess this ubuntu-desktop just makes sure that all the ubuntu-desktop applications are installed03:59
joemyea, thats what a metapkg is04:00
rexiboyhow is the new amd64 iso with nvidia6800?04:00
Phr0stBytedefendguin: You dont necasarily want them all04:00
defendguinjoem sorry im not up on the lingo04:00
Phr0stBytedefendguin: better to pick and choose04:00
Telepooh, now Bush is an environmentalist04:00
defendguinPhr0stByte, well i cant install ubuntu-desktop without them all04:00
Phr0stBytedefendguin: exactly - dont04:01
defendguinwell id liek to have the complete ubuntu experience04:01
rexiboyTelep, bush will be anything you want on election day :) we got election in Australia today...04:01
Phr0stBytethen go for it04:01
defendguinPhr0stByte, is only like 5 more packages04:02
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Phr0stBytedefendguin: example: I'll install pilot..............When I have one!04:02
rexiboyanyone here got amd64 and nvidia 6800? need to know how you went with the iso...04:03
defendguini dont think pilot was on the list but i think evolution depends on pilot software04:03
jonoanyone know how tie an ssh protocol to a nautilus winodw?04:04
Phr0stBytedefendguin: nope04:04
defendguinjono, yeah04:04
joemjono, file-connect to server what your looking for?04:04
jonojoem, I saw a while back someone use something like ssh:/jono@foo.com in a nautilus window some how04:05
joemjono, yea, you can connect to an ssh server via the connect to server dialogue04:05
jonoahh cool04:05
steveodtalking about ssh, does anyone get an error when they try to connect via a file transfer program, from windows to ubuntu04:06
cleedefendguin: so are you really dobey's nemesis?04:06
defendguini knew someone would see that04:06
defendguindobey likes to pick on me04:07
defendguinhe has a bit of an abrasive personality and it just rubs me and a few other people the wrong way04:07
cleewell, he's an ass.04:08
cleeand a dumb ass, at that.04:08
defendguinrexiboy, you just joined #giftui  ?04:08
defendguinclee, i like some of his work04:08
defendguinlike epittence and the new background change app04:09
rexiboydefendguin, just checking out ...04:09
rexiboyhow is gift going?04:09
defendguinlooks like its doing fine04:09
defendguinstill being activly developed04:10
rexiboyI like giFt, used it a little b 404:10
cleegiFT rocks.04:10
defendguinits nice and has its perks04:10
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defendguinwe (giftui) are going to try to have a really polished giFT frontend04:11
sn0wmanbush is trying to tell us what rights we shouldn't care about04:11
defendguinhopefully a better setup util than running gift-setup04:11
steveodwhy shouldn't i be able to see everything you read?04:11
rexiboywhat's the time frame?04:12
defendguinrexiboy, for the new setup?04:12
polokthe tyranny and bollocks have gone on too long, vote 1 the marijuana party04:12
agraupenow I'm searching for the wmv codec, for xine.  any hints?04:12
joemagraupe, same link as before04:12
steveodsn0wman; i think people should be imprisoned for anything, for any length of time, screw due process04:12
joemw32 codecs04:13
steveodsn0wman, of course i am not serious04:13
SamBozomake[4] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `drivers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.04:14
SamBozomake[3] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 204:14
SamBozo   ^ damit04:14
defendguinrexiboy, hopefully the next few months04:14
SamBozoI guess I go back to sid if I ewant to run vmware ... gurrrrrrrrr04:14
defendguinworking on a more than a few ui changes04:15
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PenguinBoyEvening, guys!04:17
rexiboyso, no one here with amd64 and nvidia6800??04:19
opiIm plain with my Duron :)04:19
opibut I wish to have amd64 04:19
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PenguinBoyPentium 4 here04:20
PenguinBoywish I had a 6404:20
agraupethe video part of the wmv works fine, but there is no audio (and I have played the file on another computer)04:20
agraupeand totem can play other videos with sound fine04:20
rexiboy:) I need to know how people went with that combination and the ubuntu64 iso, it gave me too many problems with x...:(04:21
agraupewhat is wrong with it now?04:21
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Se7hhey BaseX04:27
opiBaseX: are you ska/oi lover, or just using Oi as a form of greetings? :)04:29
BaseXppl use oi in my country to say hello04:31
opiyes, I know :)04:31
opiI do it too :P04:31
Se7hopi where'r u from ?04:32
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opiSe7h: Poland04:32
Se7hwe'r from portugal04:32
opiSe7h: unless we're invided, and I don't know, because Im ircing ;)04:32
Se7hubuntu all arround it04:32
opitrue :)04:32
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opito be honest I still didn't install Ubuntu :P04:33
opiIm just a fan and since it's so close to Debain, I can't help newbies04:33
BaseXme neither04:33
opiI wish I could get two days to get rid Slackware out of my box04:34
Se7hy dont u ?04:34
BaseXyou can try an ubuntu livecd before getting rid of slackware04:34
opiBaseX: If I dislike Ubuntu, I'll go back to Debian04:35
opiBaseX: I have to get rid Slackware anyhow04:35
Se7hopi believe me, u wont04:35
opiSe7h: well, Im not a mutch Gnome lover04:35
opiSe7h: but Im going to try it04:35
Se7hwell then04:35
Se7hinstall kde04:35
opiit's not the best idea to be closeminded while using Linux04:36
PenguinBoyUbuntu was the easiest install I have ever seen!04:36
Se7hPenguinBoy ;)04:36
opiPenguinBoy: I don't care mutch for it easines, Im more poweruser IMHO :)04:36
opibut I like the idea of creating sutch distro04:36
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sn0wmanopi, are you a Gentoo user?04:36
PenguinBoyDebian i think04:37
opisn0wman: no, I don't have time to be Gentoo user04:37
PenguinBoyi have never installed Gentoo04:37
opisn0wman: but all our boxes at work runs Gentoo04:37
Se7hi heard something about gentoo not very plesant04:37
opisn0wman: except for mine ;p04:37
PenguinBoywhat was that Se7h04:37
Se7hcant remember04:37
opiSe7h: there's only one thing that I dislike with Gentoo04:37
sn0wmanopi, :)  all the workstations at my university run gentoo.  everyone here is a gentoo fr33k.04:38
opiit takes so f*king long to bring some stuff04:38
Se7htrue true04:38
Se7hi've tried 2times installing it04:38
opisn0wman: we just installed a box (server) that runs my webbased application 04:38
Se7hfor both04:38
Se7hi had problems at grub04:38
Se7hi gaved it up04:38
opisn0wman: it's just a p2@350 04:38
PenguinBoyI tried installing it once but got confused04:39
Se7hwhen i get my 200gb back04:39
opisn0wman: I've ssh'ed to it, to fix something04:39
Se7hi'll try it one more time04:39
opisn0wman: but hey, no VIm04:39
Se7hsince i already have grub04:39
opisn0wman: emerge vim04:39
opisn0wman: imagine, how long it take :/04:39
opiI need more rapid solution04:39
sn0wmanopi, 10 mins?04:39
Se7hi suppose it'll go sugar04:39
PenguinBoydoes anyone have any idea when Ubuntu is gonna include KDE?04:39
opisn0wman: more, iirc04:39
opisn0wman: around 20 I guess04:39
opibut I like Gentoo overall04:40
sn0wmanopi, yeah, portage is nice, but a sourced-based distro is a rediculous idea04:40
opiIF I don't have mantain it :)04:40
BaseXcan't you get kde with "apt-get install kde" like debian?04:40
Se7hPenguinBoy read some forums about it04:40
Se7hbut no very soon i suppose04:40
opiPenguinBoy: you know, Ubuntu is rather Gnome-centric04:40
opisomone posted link with KDE resp04:41
opisearch on mailing list archive or wiki04:41
PenguinBoyI am just a KDE fan.....but I will make the change...because I really really really like Ubuntu04:41
opiPenguinBoy: don't change your ways to software, change software :)04:42
Se7hright on opi04:42
sn0wmanPenguinBoy, gnome is really easy to pick up especially the way it is all layed out by default in ubuntu04:42
PenguinBoyspoken like a try Linux aficianado!04:42
Se7hPenguinBoy LOLL04:42
PenguinBoytrue not try04:42
opiwait, I need to reread my article04:43
punkasshow much room does ubuntu need for an install?04:46
PenguinBoynot much04:46
PenguinBoyinstalls from one ISO04:46
opipunkass: full around 1.8gb04:46
PenguinBoythen downloads fromt he net04:46
punkassoh i have a 3gig drive on an old box04:46
opipunkass: custom installation (base files) around 30004:46
|trey|punkass: 1.5 GB... so recommended atleast 3 GB  :)04:46
punkass32megs o ram = no enough?04:47
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punkassgoing to try and run xfce04:47
|trey|punkass: not really... I wouldn't try... Debian yes, Ubuntu, no...04:47
punkassit has windows millenium on it right now :(04:48
PenguinBoyterible OS04:48
|trey|punkass: I like XFCE4 a lot... for such a lightwieght desktop, it has a lot of features...04:48
roddimuscould domeone helpo me with something?04:49
punkassyes i know..its my pops old computer...all he does is email and surf04:49
Se7hPenguinBoy worse than that04:49
|trey|4.2 is coming out soon, becoming more like everyone else though  :/    "XFCEMenu"  :/04:49
PenguinBoylol Se7h04:49
roddimusI was trying to install the NVidia drivers and I broke xwindows04:49
|trey|Biggest problem with Fedora interface...04:49
punkassi was going to try vector linux with icewm04:49
opipunkass: go XFce :)04:49
|trey|opi: don't tell him that, that installs 3.x, that thing sucked04:50
roddimusit's pretty bothersome... so maybe someone could PM me, or something...04:50
opidon't go there04:50
opiroddimus: just say it here04:50
punkass|trey| the one in the ubuntu rep sucks?04:50
opipunkass: /s/sucks/old04:51
|trey|punkass: the xfce package does, xfce4 is nice though...04:51
|trey|fluxbox user before that... 04:51
punkasshmm maybe ill try debian unstable with xfce then04:51
opi|trey|: if they going to breake XFce, Im goign back to Fluxbox and Ion04:51
roddimusEr, the problem goes like this, I download the drivers, and try to install them, they say i need kernel-source, so i apt-get that, and nvidia-gdl or something, and switch the driver to say nvidia04:52
|trey|opi: Ubuntu's GNOME is fast enough on this box  :/04:52
roddimusand now it says i have stuff configures wrong, even thogh i set it back to nv04:52
opigive us some logs of XF04:53
roddimusthe logs say nothing of interest04:53
|trey| /var/log/XF[tab] 04:53
roddimusbut, i couls pastebin the end i suppose04:53
punkass|trey| it looks like unstable has 4.0.6  is that new enough?04:53
punkasscuz i sure dont want to compile...it on the 166 lol04:54
roddimuswell, actually i have x.org installed, but like i said it was working04:54
|trey|punkass: umm, yeah04:54
|trey|punkass: Its GTK  :/   loads libs faster etc...04:54
punkassok cool04:54
|trey|roddimus: xorg isn't supported currently...04:55
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roddimus|trey|: but it seems like a problem that I could have run into with either x11(or whatever it's called) or x.org04:56
roddimussince i was just trying to get the nvidia drivers working04:56
roddimusthat's right, thanks04:59
roddimuswhere'd everyone go?05:02
Se7hthey'r there05:02
Se7hbut silenced05:02
roddimuson a somewhat sepparate topic, x.org runs really incredably slow, why would it be included in the next realese?05:04
Se7hcant tell05:05
Se7hnever used xorg05:05
roddimustalking about without the shadows and transparent windows, which bring me to a crawl05:05
roddimusi suppose05:05
joemroddimus, that sounds like a local problem05:07
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roddimusjoem: It ran really slow on my roommates computer as well, and the website where I was reading about something else, said that it ran slow for them05:09
joemprobably a hardware/config issue05:09
roddimusI have decent enouph hardware I would think, 1.4 gh proccesor, geforce 2, 512 mb ram.05:11
roddimusI suppose I never got to try it with thenvidia drivers...05:11
roddimusmaybe it would have ran fine them05:11
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mojohi all ppl05:12
mojoI need help05:12
opigo on05:13
mojoeverytime start up, the DNS server entries of my eth1 changes, then I have to manually set DNS again05:13
mojodo u know how to resolve this?05:13
opiyou mean /etc/reslove.conf?05:13
mojoit changes when start up05:13
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opido you have DHCP server?05:13
mojovia the modem05:13
mojoADSL modem05:14
opiso maybe DHCP server broadcast wrong DNS settings?05:14
mojoWindows has no problem05:14
mojoonly on Ubuntu05:14
opiIm not an Windows user, but maybe they don't ask for DNS once they got it?05:14
mojolet me try to see the conf of my Modem05:15
opimaybe try to remove +w flag, so DHCP won't be able to overwrite it (harx0rs sloution;-)05:15
mojochmod -x /etc/resolve.conf?05:16
mojochmod -ax /etc/resolve.conf?05:16
mojothx much05:16
opisee if it helps05:17
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mojolet me restart05:17
roddimusI'm not gonna get any help am I?05:18
opiroddimus: too bad I don't own NV05:18
opiroddimus: I just downloaded binary drivers from nvidia.com05:18
opiroddimus: and it just worked05:18
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roddimusopi: I'm not blaming you or anything05:19
opiroddimus: it's pitty we can't help05:19
roddimusopi: no problem, I don't knwo why it wouldn't work for me then05:19
opicomputers are strange, sometimes05:19
roddimusyup yup05:20
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mojoopi: not work '^'05:22
mojoopi: when start up : @dns-down ....[ok] 05:22
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mojoopi: but once it get to time service to get time from Internet ...[fail] 05:22
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mojoI need help05:23
mojoI dont know what tool to config the runlevels05:23
crimsunmojo: update-rc.d05:24
tckthe lower the runlevel the higher the priority?05:26
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mojo...not sure05:26
mojoI dun know how to use update-rc.d05:26
mojoare there any GUI?05:26
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mojoare there GTk2 GUI like RH Service on Ubuntu?05:27
defendguinmojo, nope05:29
mojo...then any ncurse or X11 front-end for runlevel service?05:29
defendguinmojo none that i know of05:30
mojoso there is no such GUI runelevel configurator in offcial GNOME tool?05:30
defendguinmojo, i think you might be able to find a apt repository of redhat config tools05:31
mojolet me try on Google.com05:31
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mojoare there anyone doing Java here? I'm seeking for a example program on simple Car Sales system program like add in car details, view details, all data saved on .dat file05:34
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tckhas anyone set up their pppd with ubuntu?05:36
Se7hchecking for deflate in -lz... no05:37
Se7hconfigure: error: zlib not found.05:37
Se7hisn't Zlibc enough ?05:37
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mdzzlibc is something entirely different05:39
mdzyou want zlib1g-dev05:39
Se7hso thats the prob05:40
Se7hok thanks05:40
tckis there any frontend tool like say 'kppp' for gnome?05:40
mojonot really05:41
mojojust use the normal network tool05:41
tcki have my pppd configured05:41
tckim using it now05:42
tckbut when i try to set  it up for a diff. connection wanting to use pap/chap 05:42
Se7hchecking for deflate in -lz... no05:42
Se7hconfigure: error: zlib not found.05:42
tcki simply can't connect05:42
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tckit fails at the last second05:42
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GOwinhi. do you use ubuntu for a server or as a desktop os?05:44
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nasdaq4088i subscribed to all of ubuntu's newsgroups, now i have 1400+ messages in my inbox - is this normal?05:44
Se7hGOwin u can use it for both05:44
PenguinBoyDesktop OS05:44
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Se7hbut its designed for desktop05:44
kaplanfxtorrent for live cd is getting decent speeds :)05:45
Se7hdam Zlib05:45
kaplanfxgotta love bittorrent05:45
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nasdaq4088i subscribed to all of ubuntu's newsgroups, now i have 1400+ messages in my inbox - is this normal?05:46
GOwini want to setup a ubuntu box that would allow me to dialin remotely . how do i do that? the box would have a dsl connection and an analog modem for dialing in.05:46
normnmilesnasdaq4088: the ubuntu newsgroups get a lot of traffice.  it's not unusual to get hundreds of messages a day.05:47
cmaujeananyone know about getting a larger the 640x480 screensize on a dell inspiron05:47
nasdaq4088normnmiles i thought i would get 30 at most05:48
nasdaq4088per day05:48
nasdaq4088how many people are developing ubuntu?05:48
normnmilesnot sure but i had to unsubscribe from the digest...i was getting about 20 digests a day05:48
nasdaq4088i just want the most important news: max 10 per day05:49
nasdaq4088developer news05:49
nasdaq4088meetings etc.05:49
mdznasdaq4088: then subscribe to ubuntu-news05:50
mdzand ubuntu-announce05:50
nasdaq4088thanx mdz -> which category gives so many emails ? :)05:50
mdznasdaq4088: ubuntu-users is the busiest list right now05:50
nasdaq4088mdz, how many are developing ubuntu - i thought 20 or so people.05:51
mdznasdaq4088: about 1005:53
nasdaq4088so its messages from users ok thanx mdz05:54
cmaujeanI'm getting 640x480 in a tiny window in the center of my much larger screen. I checked the ubuntu faqs and did some google searching, but dont see anything that applies 05:55
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normnmilescmaujean: what have you tried?05:58
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nasdaq4088mdz - all the messages i have received, the content is useful, even the messages from users, can I find it by searching your web site?06:01
wartyanyone mess with madwifi in ubuntu?06:02
danielswarty: using it now06:02
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normnmilesnasdaq4088: archives here http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/06:02
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blahrusdaniels, there we go, now I wont look as lame :)06:03
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danielsblahrus: heh06:03
danielsbrb, getting a better network connection06:03
hazmathi folks, i just got locked out of my ubuntu install.. the  startup hangs on openldap.. is there some way i can work around that?06:03
danielspress ctrl-c06:04
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hazmati tried that but it didn't seem to have any effect. i'll try again06:04
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nasdaq4088thank you normnmiles - i see that you can download the entire historical archive. It was very small the last time i looked, it has grown to a few megabytes! Ubuntu is developing fast06:06
blahruskinda an out of the blue question, but why does ubuntu feel quicker than fedora and even gentoo, I am just running the live cd now, but it seems very smooth.06:06
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blahrusdaniels, what card are us using madwifi with and what all did you have to do to get it work?06:11
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hazmatis there a way to specify the default run level when starting ubuntu?06:14
hazmati installed openldap and the startup hangs06:15
hazmatsomeone suggested using control-c to abort/skip that step but it doesn't have any affect06:15
hazmatis it possible to boot from the install cd and get a shell environment?06:16
crimsunpress enter06:16
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PenguinBoywhere can I get a listing of files that I can install through apt-get?06:21
blahrusjust jump on synaptic06:22
blahrusunder the computer menu06:23
punkassi know this isnt really an ubuntu question but will apt-get dist-upgrade take me from testing to unstable in debain?06:23
blahruspunkass: are u in debian or ubuntu and what do you have for your /etc/apt/sources.list06:24
punkassi just did an debain netinstall on an old machine i have here..06:24
punkassi know it defaults to testing06:24
punkassbut i want to run unstable06:24
punkassi know i can just change all testing to unstable in sources.list then run apt-get update06:25
blahrusyea then do a dist-upgarde06:25
punkassbut i was wondering what apt-get dist-upgrade did06:25
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punkassoh so i have to change my sources list first then do dist-upgrade?06:25
blahrusthen an apt-get update06:26
blahrusthen an apt-get dist-upgrade06:26
blahrusi am going to get off line06:27
punkassok thanks06:27
blahrustake care06:27
tckis there a tool similar to KDE's drakloop for gnome?06:28
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PenguinBoyhow do I apt-get RealPlayer?06:40
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jubaljhi guys.. simple question, how can i get disable pcmcia for automatically starting up on my destkop on every boot - seeing as i dont need it?06:42
jubaljis update-rc.d pcmcia remove the right way to do it?06:42
jdubjubalj: apt-get remove --purge pcmcia-cs :-)06:43
PandUhi all I have a problem with chroot, I cannot start x apps. Unable to open display error06:43
jubaljjdub: thanks dude06:43
jdubPandU: your DISPLAY variable is probably not set06:43
PandUhow do i set that06:44
PandUi tried exporting display no use06:44
PandUalso tried xhost +06:44
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smoI'd imagine you'd have to turn on X's networking side (most distros keep it off as a safe default), as the contents of /tmp/.X11-unix/ won't be available in the chroot?06:46
PandUAny body here used chroot to 32 bit environment and succeeded to run x apps06:47
jdubPandU: DISPLAY=:0 (or whatever your display is)06:47
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avihhi. now using the ubuntu live cd as a guest on vmware with xp host. VERY nice. congrats :) extremely smooth :)06:48
aviheven OOo opens when clicking the download link of a .doc file from yahoo mail :)06:49
PandUsince i can only chroot as root i guss the DISPLAY will be :006:49
avihoh... ssh to another system, and xterm& won't work (can't open display). how should i?06:50
crimsunssh -X06:50
avihhmmm. thx. sec.06:50
avih xterm Xt error: Can't open display:06:51
avihoh.. capitals :)06:51
PandUI may not be chrooting correctly, what should be the command if my 32bit sys is mounted in /mnt/hdc706:52
crimsuninstall vmware-tools for better performance06:52
crimsun# chroot /mnt/hdc7 /bin/bash06:52
avihcan i with the live cd? my screen performance is pretty good as is..06:52
crimsunavih: oh, i haven't tried w/ the livecd06:52
avih(-X worked like charm, thx)06:52
tckis there anyone to pause an apt-get download, or will it resume to the amount it's downloaded?06:53
avihthis distro is so damn smooth. well integrated.. really nice06:53
crimsuntck: it resumes automatically when you restart apt-get06:53
bborkkDoes anyone have ACPI (sleep/suspend) working properly with a Thinkpad?06:53
tck*anyway even06:53
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tcknice ; thx06:53
avihcrmsun: do u know if there any plans to include gcc et.al in ubuntu?06:54
tckif ones, does atp-get clean. it shall have to be restarted from scratch then?06:54
PandUi am using chroot /mnt/hdc7  thats should be alright, i thought you should pass paramiters for x display06:54
crimsuntck: yep06:54
avihi think newbs should be able to easily get exposed to ./configure when they're ready.06:54
crimsuntck: actually it may not clean .../partial06:54
crimsuntck: mdz would know :)06:54
crimsunavih: the warty preview iso doesn't install gcc-3.3 by default; dunno about the livecd06:55
crimsunavih: but-- you can easily apt-get install build-essential06:55
crimsunand that will install what's needed06:55
avih_I_ know, but newbs might now. and i think they should be able to get exposed when the time comes.. just mho though.06:56
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avihmight not*06:56
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PandUjdub, how do i set my diplay correctly when chrooting ?06:56
crimsunavih: i dunno if a bug has been filed about that, or if it has been brought up on the mailing list or discussed in here06:57
avihcrimsun: thx, i'll have a look around06:58
tckbborkk, i'm having trouble with that too an a compaq presario06:58
avihhave a great day everyone. and congrats again :)06:59
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Tux234Gotta a quick question06:59
Tux234Anyway to turn off the timer in Grub07:00
bborkktck: seems like ACPI is loaded without error and can even detect when the screen is shut, but nothing ever powers down or goes into sleep mode.07:01
PandUcan anybody help me set up my DISPLAY corrctly for 32 bit chroot07:01
tckbborkk, i get a fail message on boot07:01
tckfor desktop and laptop07:01
bborkktck: What desktop machine do you have?07:02
jdubPandU: you set DISPLAY, like i showed you above07:02
tckdell 440007:02
PandUjdub, I did that no use07:02
jdubPandU: type:07:02
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bborkktck: Is that one of the new "Windows Media Center" things?07:02
jdubDISPLAY=:0 program07:02
tckits about 2 years ol07:03
jdubyou may have to copy or hard link your .Xauthority file07:03
andrewskihi all!07:03
bborkktck: I heard upgrading to helps, but I haven't seen any difference yet.07:03
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tckheres a strange thing07:03
tckmy trash icon seems to have disappeared07:04
tcknow everytime i log in, it gives an applet error07:04
PandUjdub, I tried this DISPLAY=:0 chroot /mnt/hdc7 and got same error unable to open display07:05
PenguinBoynight guys!07:05
tcksaying : cannot monitor trash , or to that degree07:05
bborkktck: I'd be worried if it could monitor something that wasn't there.07:05
bborkktck: Did you actually use the trash?07:05
mdznasdaq4088: I don't think the list archive has a search function, but it is indexed by search engines and gmane offers a search I believe07:05
Tux234Um does anybody know how to turn off the timer in Grub??07:05
PandUjdub, how do i know the current DISPLAY value07:05
Tux234How do you do it?07:06
tckbefore, then moved it down to beside where my clock is, then on reboot, vanished :)07:06
jdubPandU: it will be set in your active x session07:06
jdubPandU: echo $DISPLAY07:06
Tux234night evrybody 07:07
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PandUjdub, yes it is :0 07:07
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bborkkDoes anyone have ACPI working at all with a laptop?  The hardware support page indicates power management should be working, but I've yet to hear of anyone with a Ubuntu laptop that sleeps properly.07:09
mdzworks for me if I unload ehci-hcd first07:09
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bborkkmdz: You're refering to ACPI?07:10
tckis there a tool similar to KDE's drakloop for gnome?07:11
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jdubtck: 'drak'loop sounds like a mandrake tool07:11
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mdzbborkk: S307:11
jdubtck: you should probably describe what it does07:11
tckwell 'mountloop' ;)07:11
mdztck: if it does what it sounds like, nautilus/gnome-vfs has something similar07:11
bborkkmdz: I just starting using an IRC client three days ago... what is S3? :)07:12
tckit mounts directories using popular cryto07:12
mdzbborkk: S3 is an ACPI sleep state07:12
jdubtck: nup07:12
jdubtck: gnome doesn't, nor does ubuntu07:12
tcki can't believe its not butter!07:13
bborkkmdz: Thanks... I just started learning about ACPI three days ago, too.07:13
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joeyhdoes ubuntu have a graphical boot splash? I don't remember seeing one07:14
punkassbborkk: i noticed my dell doesnt sleep either...the monitor power management works tho07:14
whiprushjoeyh: not yet07:14
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jdubhey joeyh 07:15
bborkkpunkass: Yeah, my power monitor works also, as does the lockout screen when I close my laptop.07:15
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bborkkmdz: So, basically turn off USB?07:16
punkassbborkk: yeah same for me...i ended up just telling it to shutdown when i close the lid07:16
mdzjoeyh: no, not quite yet07:17
mdzbborkk: USB2.007:17
joeyhwas thinking about tossing something on a box I've set up07:17
joeyhbootsplash seems to be too annoying to bother with (kernel patch)07:17
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bborkkmdz: I'll check this out.  Thanks.  What is the prefered way to let Ubuntu know which modules to load and unload given an event?  In this case, closing a laptop lid, but also including things such as detecting a wireless network.07:19
bborkkpunkass: How did you configure screen close == shutdown?07:20
punkassif u goto /etc/acpi/event dir you will see a lid close call07:20
mdzbborkk: that's controlled by config files in /etc/acpi07:20
mdzjoeyh: yeah, we're not going to use that implementation07:21
punkassi just pointed it to powerbtn.sh instead of lid.sh07:21
joeyhyeah, I know :-)07:21
tckhas anyone set up a pppd connection requiring pap/chap?07:22
punkassbborkk: for the wifi thing..i ended up writing an little app to detect wifi networks07:22
tcki have a std. connection done, but when using pap/chap it seems to disconnect at the last sec.07:23
bborkkpunkass: Mind sharing?  :)07:23
hazmatcrimsun, thanks for the tip re boot cd, i got back into my unbuntu system.07:23
punkasssure: its a little rough..but it gets the job done :)07:23
punkassbborkk: http://punkass.bookerb.com/2stepdh/pyfi.tar.gz07:24
punkassyou will need to edit the top of the .py file07:25
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punkassand it has to be run as sudo07:25
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bborkkpunkass: Oh, right... I heard you mention this a couple of days ago.07:25
punkassi am in the process of trying to make it an applet07:25
punkassyeah a few people are using it..and it seems to work for them 07:26
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mdzhazmat: that's what the (Recovery mode) boot menu option is for07:26
hazmatmdz, i just used a shell... mounted and removed the offending symlinks (slapd)07:27
hazmatmdz, what does recovery mode do?07:27
defendguinpunkass i havent really tried it on any network besides my home one07:27
mdztardmac: in'- a -isc/e07:27
mdzhazmat: it's a single-user boot07:27
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bborkkpunkass, mdz: I really like the idea of using Python to hold everything in Ubuntu together.  I've never done much shell scripting, so what would take me a couple of minutes to do in Python would probably take an hour in bash, for example.  Is there any move to Pythonizing all the scripts in Ubuntu?07:28
mdzbborkk: we are using Python for new things we write, but we are in no hurry to rewrite a lot of code which works and is maintained07:28
punkassdefendguin: ok...well let me know how it goes..i have a it on a another laptop as well..and its workin so far :)07:28
xespilcepythonizing :'(07:28
defendguinim waiting to get to school to see 07:29
bborkkmdz: Makes sense.07:29
bborkkxespilce: ;^/07:29
punkassbborkk: im not sure, that is my first python/pygtk app i have done.07:29
xespilcebborkk, :)07:29
xespilcebborkk, 8-)07:29
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avihthx lol07:30
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avihhmmm, synaptic says gcc-3.3-base is installed. make is installed. gdb is installed. but i can't invoke gcc :( (using the live cd)07:31
avihis it really here?07:31
xespilcei had the same problem with gentoo 07:32
avihxespilce: regarding gcc?07:32
avihstrange, ain't it?07:32
xespilcei had a bad library and i couldnt fix it07:32
avihbtw, i now use the text-mode irc. pretty cool. reminds me of 10 yrs ago lol.07:33
xespilcei tried to bootstrap again ... env-update emerge the library ... but what can you do if it is broken07:33
jdubavih: gcc-3.3-base doesn't provide the gcc binary07:33
bborkkmdz: So, it looks like I need to modify /etc/acpi/lid.sh to unload and load ehci_hcd.  Why are some module names dash separated and some underscore separated?07:33
avihjdub: thx.07:33
jdubbborkk: they're not (look in /lib/modules), but you can use a dash or underscore and it will do the right thing07:34
avihjdub: do u know in what package gcc is?07:35
punkassbborkk: let me know how that goes...07:35
avihok. thx07:35
punkassif thats the trick then id like to try it07:36
bborkkjdub: lsmod seems to list modules with underscores.07:36
jdubbborkk: the file names have underscores too07:36
jdubbborkk: but you can load with underscores or dashes07:36
bborkkpunkass: Will do.  I just downloaded it.  Let me know if you're looking for help with it... I'd be interested.07:37
avihhmmm.. i just noticed emacs is installed. but there's no way to access it from the menues.... i wonder how many more 'gems' are installed. already found text-mode-irc and pick :)07:37
bborkkjdub: Thanks.07:37
punkassbborkk: ah not that..i meant the power mang, stuff07:37
avih(live cd)07:37
bborkkpunkass: Oh, sure thing.07:38
kaplanfxthe live cd is pretty nice07:39
kaplanfxI haven't used gnome in a long time, 2.8 is quite an improvement07:39
avihyup. pretty cool he? :)07:39
avihvery smooth07:39
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kappyheh, most of the apps I use are on this cd07:40
bborkkmdz & punkass: rmmod ehci_hcd didn't help with the sleep problem.07:41
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defendguinbborkk, what sleep problem?07:42
kaplanfxavih: I dunno if its morphix or ubuntu, but it wouldn't work with nvidia primary driver, I had to use the nv driver07:43
kaplanfxother than that its great07:43
avihhmmm.. morphix worked fine for me as is. never installed the nv driver. it did work with knoppix though (nv compiled from source)07:44
bborkkdefendguin: I can't get my laptop to sleep.  ACPI seems to load without errors and it can definitely detect when I close the screen (the lockout screen kicks in), but the fan never stops and the hard drive doesn't spin down.07:44
punkasskaplanfx: did u use the nivdia-glx package?07:44
avihhad a warning or something. can't remember exactly. but it was managable07:44
kaplanfxpunkass: I didn't do anything, in the ubuntu (morphix) live cd menu, I went into more options and choose 1280x1024 nvidia proprietary driver07:45
punkasskaplanfx: sorry came half way into the conversation07:45
avihbut knoppix installed to the hd.. :/ :)07:45
punkassthought u had an install07:45
kaplanfxI use debian unstable as my main system anyhow07:45
kaplanfxI dunno if I want to move to ubuntu07:45
kaplanfxI'm checking it out to see if I will recommend it to friends that have been telling me they want to try linux07:46
kaplanfxso far so good07:46
punkasswell i am using ubuntu..with a nvidia 590007:46
punkassand dual monitors07:46
kaplanfxpunkass: im sure an install works07:46
avihi'm on xp.. but i'll get there. in the meantime, i check on interesting releases with vmware (hopefully with qemu.. but it's a bit slow for anything more than technical demonstration)07:46
punkassyeah its fine07:46
kaplanfxpunkass: just a live cd problem07:46
punkassyeah...i havnt played with the live cd yet07:47
defendguinbborkk, i was having the exact opposite problem07:47
avihi'm on the live cd now (vmware). very nice indeed.07:47
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defendguinbborkk, have you tried hdparm?07:47
bborkkdefendguin: In what way was your problem the opposite?07:47
punkassi thought hdparm was being called by one of the acpi scripts?07:47
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kaplanfxpackages are really up to date07:48
defendguinmy hard drive with spin down every 15 seconds or so and then start back up07:48
defendguinthis caused havoc with metacity and gtk07:48
kappylooks like its got firefox pr 107:48
avihand evo 2.0.1 :)07:48
kappyevolution 2.0.107:48
kappywhich I don't use anyhow07:48
bborkkdefendguin: How did you fix it?07:48
avihyet, it's cool. esp. with gnome 2.807:49
kappyI use kmail for my pop and gmail for my main account07:49
defendguini set hdparm to never powerdown my drive07:49
kappyI don't use gnome generally, I usually use kde or xfce depending on the horsepower of the machine07:49
bborkkdefendguin: I've never used hdparm... any quick suggestions?07:49
kappyso I don't know what to compare it to07:49
defendguinman hdparm07:49
defendguini think hdparm -B is where you should be looking07:50
avihfluxbox for me on low-end machines. since theit "taskbar" got improved.. it's pretty usable.07:50
bborkkI'm doing that as we type.  Thanks.07:50
kappyyeah fluxbox is neat07:50
avihfluxbox ob qemu works pretty sweet.07:50
defendguinjust remember the lower the number of your setting the more aggressive it will be at shutting down your hdd07:50
kappyI run it on an old p120 laptop 24mb ram I play around with sometimes07:50
bborkkavih: I've been using fluxbox for a while... pretty nice.  How did they improve the taskbar?07:50
kappyI like that black and red theme, I am blue green color blind so it really stands our for me07:51
avihthe icons, putting apps on it, configuring it.. 07:51
bborkkdefendguin: It looks like hdparm -B is for interfacing to APM.  Does it also work with ACPI?07:51
kappyscreenshots like http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/ikaro_fluxbox3.jpg make fluxbox look great07:52
kappybut its quite a bit of config to get there07:52
defendguinbborkk, let me check07:52
bborkkavih: Oh, that's exactly what it needed.  I'll have to take a look at the latest version.07:52
defendguinbborkk, what about the S option?07:53
kappyavih, fluxbox is the best of the "lightweight" wm's07:53
kappyunless you consider xfce "lightweight"07:54
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smeggyNothing tied to GTK+ could be considered lightweight ;)07:54
kappyavih, try shift-pgup07:54
avihdidn't work07:54
kappysmeggy, true that07:54
kappyavih, try hitting scroll lock and using the arrow keys07:54
avihhmmm, scrl-lock doesn't work (at least from vmware)07:55
kappywhat client? bitchx?07:55
avihnevermind :) that's a cool irc client anyway lol eventhough i forgot all the shortcuts :)07:55
jdubsmeggy, kappy: that's a generalisation - 'lightweight' doesn't mean anything until you define it.07:55
bborkkdefendguin: Seems like the -S option is for general use, not for going to sleep.  Still, good to know about.07:55
defendguinsorry :(07:56
smeggyjdub, OK.. lets define lightweight as having minimal large dependencies ;)07:56
kappyjdub, yeah, but gtk is extra overhead for a slow system07:56
avihanyway, gotta go. have a great day everyone. and great distro :) l8r all07:56
punkasshow is icewm?07:56
jdubsmeggy: so if you're running a GTK+ only app, you don't have a lot of dependencies.07:56
bborkkI was just looking at the Fluxbox website and it mentions that Fluxbox has partial GNOME support.  What exactly does a statement like that mean?07:56
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smeggyjdub, I'm bad at arguments.. go away :P07:57
kappypunkass: if you are going to go with icewm go with fluxbox, but thats only my opinion you should try both07:57
jdubsmeggy: number of dependencies does not necessarily mean suboptimal memory usage or performance 07:57
punkasswell i am trying xfce first.07:57
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bborkkpunkass: Yeah, Fluxbox is the nicer of them, I think.07:58
Baumigood morning07:58
kappypunkass: you will like xfce it quite good07:58
jdubpango is the main performance bottleneck for gtk+ apps07:58
jdub(in general)07:58
punkassits for my pops old computer.07:59
bborkkjdub: You mean Pango the penguin game?!07:59
punkassi would like to just use gnome but its a 166 :(07:59
jdubpango the library07:59
Baumiwhere can i see, if the LIRC module is included in the kernel?07:59
kappyweird, when did fluxbox add the fluxbox slit?07:59
bborkkjdub: Two bad... Pango the game was fantastic.08:00
kappyjdub, is bonobo part of gtk stuff or is it gnome specific? because from my experiance bonobo is serious bloat08:00
punkassjust installed gdm...im suprised at how many deps it had..08:01
punkassbonobo being one of the08:01
bborkkmdz: I tried rmmod ehci_hcd, but sleep still doesn't work... did you do anything else?08:01
joembonobo is the gnome corba framework08:01
kappypunkass: gah bonobo08:01
kappyisn't that some kind of monkey?08:02
bborkkChimp, I think.08:02
bborkkKnown as the only non-human animal to pursue sexual pleasure for its own sake.08:03
kappyhttp://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/images/beta1_snapshot.jpg    now that is pretty clean and nice looking08:03
kappyah cool08:03
jdubkappy: bonobo is a gnome thing - it is not 'bloat', but is sometimes used in places where it needn't be08:03
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kappyjdub, its for IPC right?08:03
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jdubkappy: that's precisely why it's used in places where it needn't be.08:04
jdubkappy: its primary function is *not* IPC08:04
kappyoh hehe08:04
jdub(well, directly, anyway)08:05
kappythen I missunderstand the intire thing08:05
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jdubbonobo is intended to be the equivalent of COM/DCOM on windows08:05
kappyeh, im not sure what that is either08:05
kappyI've done most of my programming after I moved over to linux08:06
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kappyI only did a bit of java programing back on *dowa08:06
kappyer Windows08:06
punkassanyone know what would cause a crazy mouse...seems ok for a sec then moves back to the bottom left corner of the screen08:09
ccthe daily isos should have some form of date appended to them. so when i download several, in my one directory, i know which daily iso rocked or blew ;)08:09
punkassits a generic ps2 mouse08:09
kappypunkass: hmm, check your XF86Config-4 file and make sure there is only one mouse entry08:09
punkasswell there was 2 but i commented one out and its still wacky08:10
defendguinhey could i set a cron job to powerdown my box at a set time?08:10
kaplanfxpunkass: you have to look down at the bottom08:11
kaplanfxin "Serverlayout"08:11
punkassyeah thats where i commented it out08:11
kaplanfxhmm try commenting out the other one08:11
kaplanfxor turning off dpm08:11
kaplanfxer gpm that is08:11
kaplanfx/etc/init.d/gpm stop08:12
kaplanfxas root08:12
punkasswhat is gpm?08:13
kaplanfxconsole mouse08:13
punkasscommenting out the other one, made X not start08:13
kaplanfxim not sure what it actuall stands for08:13
kaplanfxpunkass: don't comment out both at the same time08:13
punkass no i didnt08:13
punkassi switched08:13
punkasssorry i should note that this is a debian unstable install08:14
punkassthere is no gpm found08:15
punkassi am using ubuntu, but on this old 166 it would be a bit to much i think08:15
crimsunit works fine on a 166 w/ >32 MB RAM08:15
punkasswhat really?08:16
punkassthats exactly what i have.08:16
punkasscrimsun, have u tried it on a 166 with 32mb ram?08:16
crimsunstripped it down08:16
crimsuninstalled xfwm408:16
crimsunit runs.08:16
crimsunmga driver08:17
crimsunit's slow, but it runs08:17
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punkasslol same driver here08:17
punkassi just installed debian unstable and xfce508:17
punkasser 408:17
crimsunwhew. i thought oliver went nuts and bumped the version :P08:17
crimsunhave you seen the composite screenshot for 4.2?08:18
crimsunit looks very slick08:18
punkassare u using xfce totally or just xfwm with gnome?08:18
crimsunthe former08:18
punkassyes it does look slick08:18
punkasslol which is that08:19
punkassdid u just apt-get install it?08:19
crimsunfrom universe, yep08:20
punkasswhat version is it?08:21
punkassi would look but i am not in ubuntu at the moment08:21
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DaNewBCan the Unbuntu live cd be installed on HD?08:22
crimsunnot at that box (which doesn't have openssh-server installed)08:22
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punkassok cool well maybe ill just do that...did u remove gnome..or just not use it?08:22
DaNewB..or is it better to just use the normal Ubuntu CD for a HD install?08:23
punkassDaNewB: yes i would use a normal CD to install with08:25
jdubDaNewB: the livecd doesn't include install foo -> just use the installer :-)08:25
jdubDaNewB: you get both cds when you order from shipit, btw08:25
crimsunpunkass: just not use it.08:26
DaNewBpunkass, jdub: ok, thnks!08:26
punkasscrimsun: k thanks08:26
punkassjdub: how are u guys able to ship free cds...doesnt it cost a few $$08:27
jdubpunkass: yeah, only a few.08:28
tckits worth it for such a good os08:28
crimsunand since ubuntu is Taking Over The World, $ is no issue!08:28
punkasscrimsun: i am stuck in a "Entering low memory mode" loop08:28
tckwait till next year, ubuntu will be up there with the rest08:28
crimsunpunkass: alt+F2, fdisk and create a swap partition manually, mkswap, then swapon08:28
tcki'm surprised linuxiso.org doesnt have it up yet :P08:28
punkasshmm seems fdisk is unable to open /dev/hda08:30
crimsunpunkass: you have to create the swap partition and mount it as early as possible08:30
crimsuni kept triggering that problem at our installfest a couple weekends ago08:31
crimsunbasically, as soon as the part* udebs have been loaded, immediately create and mount a swap partition in the console (alt+F2)08:31
crimsunit may take two tries08:32
crimsunfirst time you can cfdisk /dev/hda and create the swap partition and mark it swap08:32
crimsunthen save the table08:32
crimsunbut you'll probably not have enough time to mkswap and swapon08:32
crimsunso after a reboot, since you've already run cfdisk and have a swap partition, mkswap and swapon08:33
crimsunyou should be able to get it up and running, and the network detection will continue08:33
crimsunfor me it kept spinning trying to unpack the wireless stuff08:33
crimsun(without swap being mounted)08:33
punkasswell i just did a debian install so there already is a swap partition on the driv08:35
crimsunin that case you can just switch to the console and swapon08:35
crimsunswapon /dev/hdaX08:35
punkassNo such file or dir08:36
punkasstried 1 thru 608:36
punkassbut i am sure its on 108:36
crimsunyour swap partition is /dev/hda1?08:36
crimsunubuntu will fail to install if that's the case.08:36
punkassi believe so08:36
crimsunyou need to create the swap partition after you create a regular linux partition08:37
crimsunor the installer will refuse to install08:37
punkassok well i still cant get cfdisk to find /dev/hda08:37
bborkkWould the XScreenSaver prevent a laptop from going into sleep mode?08:37
crimsunpunkass: timing issue08:37
crimsunpunkass: you _must_ cfdisk _as soon_ as the part* udebs have been loaded08:38
punkassok guz it chokes right after they do08:38
crimsuntook me four hours, but i finally did get ubuntu installed and running08:38
punkasswell if i could figure out my mouse problem i may just leave debian on there :)08:39
Treenaksbborkk: if you close the lid and have acpi, the screensaver is disabled08:40
punkasswell it uses xscreensavers screen lock doesnt it?08:41
bborkkTreenaks, punkass: Yeah, the screen lock comes on.08:42
punkassbborkk: yeah..that was a reply for Treenaks :)08:42
bborkkTreenaks, punkass: The screen fades to black when I manually push the lid button.  The backlight actually goes off for a second or two, and then it comes on again, but the screen is 'black'.  I think this is when the screen lock kicks in.08:44
punkassyeah i had the same problem08:44
punkassi ended up using radeontool08:44
punkassand it shuts the screen right off08:44
Treenaksbborkk: it starts xscreensaver, but it _also_ switches to a different vt, so xscreensaver shouldn't be outputting anything08:45
punkassTreenaks i think its a radeon thing..08:45
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Treenakscould be08:45
punkassthe screen is black but the backlight is not off08:45
q2HEY ALL!08:45
punkassbborkk, u can use the radeontool to control the power to the screen08:45
Treenaksq2: please don't shout, it's only 8:45am.. my neighbors wil wake up08:46
bborkkpunkass: Is radeontool a module?08:47
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q2Treenaks: Its 2:45 AM over herer08:47
Treenaksq2: that's an even better reason not to shout 8)08:48
bborkkpunkass: Found it on Freshmeat.08:48
punkasssorry was just switching mice08:49
punkassso all i did was edit my lid.sh scipt08:50
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punkassand add the line: /path/to/radeontool lighton08:50
DarkNiteHi room08:50
punkassand then: lightoff08:50
punkassi think those are the key words..08:50
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red_menaceAnyone know if the Ubuntu source is available?   I installed it on my machine, and I have an Nforce3 motherboard.  I can't install the NIC drivers because it needs the source to compile the module.08:51
punkassapt-get install linux-source08:52
DarkNiteI just got done moving my kids computer, wife's computer and my server to ubuntu08:52
jdubred_menace: you should be able to get away with just the headers package08:52
bborkkpunkass: Maybe now my laptop can pretend to sleep.  Thanks.08:52
red_menaceIs the source on the CD?08:52
punkassnot sure08:52
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punkassbborkk: no prob...that was the most i could do sofar to try and save power08:53
red_menaceI'm not sure what the nvidia NIC driver module needs to compile.  Never took a look at the make file.08:53
neighborleeis there a rescue mode on the ubuntu CD and if not ( I hadn't made a bootdisk) how do I get back into my system ( had to reinstall XP) to reinstall grub ?08:53
jdubred_menace: you can't use the forcedeth module?08:54
punkassread_menace: well u can get: linux-source,    linux-headers,  and linux-image i believe08:54
jdubneighborlee: just run the cd and then alt-f2 to get to the shell08:54
neighborleejdub I tried chroot but I wasn't sure what path togive it08:55
q2apt-get moo08:55
jdubneighborlee: mount your disk wherever you want :)08:55
jdubneighborlee: (you don't strictly need chroot though)08:55
red_menaceforcedeth module?  I dunno.  I tried detecting my NIC but it didn't find anything.08:56
punkassah for old mice you use: PS2 not ImPS208:56
jdubred_menace: modprobe forcedeth -> see what happens08:57
jdubred_menace: if it works, file a bug with the pci id of your nic08:57
q2TYPE IN CONSOLE: apt-get moo08:57
Treenaksq2: old08:58
q2its funny as hell08:58
red_menacealright, so file a bug if modprobe forcedeth doesn't work?08:59
jdubred_menace: well, only if it does ;)08:59
jdubred_menace: what happens when you do?08:59
red_menaceI'll have to come back.  I'm dual booting09:00
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bborkkpunkass: Do you think just disabling xscreensaver would do the trick?09:00
punkasshmm not really sure..09:02
bborkkG'night all.09:04
smeggyhey jdub, where abouts in aus are you?09:06
jdubsmeggy: sydney09:07
smeggycool :)09:07
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punkassis there i good file manager that goes with xfce..09:10
punkassi = a09:10
crimsunrox-filer personally09:10
punkassits kinda funky09:10
smeggyyou could use nautilus09:10
crimsunhe's trying to avoid gnome09:11
crimsunit's a p166 w/ 32 MB09:11
smeggygentoo is nice09:11
Tomcat_xffm is the right file manager for xfce, but it sucks.09:11
smeggythe filemanager09:11
smeggynot the distro09:11
crimsuntrue, gentoo is fairly nice, too09:11
crimsunand there's always the curses mc09:11
Tomcat_mc! :D09:12
Tomcat_Meh favorite.09:12
Tomcat_Well if you got a slow PC, I suggest using mc or the command line, but neither xffm nor nautilus.09:12
punkassits for my pops..so he aint goin anywhere near the command line :)09:13
punkassits either this or back to win9509:13
Tomcat_Okay, then mc is probably best.09:13
punkasswhat is mc?09:13
Tomcat_Or configure xffm *really* well.09:13
smeggymidnight commander09:13
punkasswell the layout of xffm is kinda bizarre09:14
Tomcat_The tree structure is not intuitive.09:14
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punkassnot at all09:14
Tomcat_Or try nautilus... it might work after all.09:14
Tomcat_I have a K6 350 and it ran fine... but I use cmd or mc now.09:14
hazmatgnome-osd is very cool... integrates with rhythmbox and xchat..09:15
smeggyWhat is it? OSD.. onscreen display?09:16
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Ninjas-Rezatmwhats up09:18
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Ninjas-RezatmI only have 640x480 resolution available, how do I get more?09:22
TreenaksNinjas-Rezatm: what kind of video card/monitor?09:23
Ninjas-RezatmGeforce 5700 Fx and Sun Microsystems monitor09:24
q2Im having DCOP trouble again.........09:25
Treenaksq2: DCOP?09:25
Treenaksisn't that KDE?09:26
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q2ya, im using konqueror09:26
q2why wont KDE work with Ubuntu anywaY?09:27
danielsKDE works fine with Ubuntu, it's just not installed per default.09:27
q2it wont work for me09:27
Ninjas-Rezatmis there a configuration utility for available resolutions?09:28
bob2q2: then please file a bug09:29
q2i might have too09:29
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punkasshow do i enable a desktop on xfce?09:37
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Red_MenaceOk, I can't remember who was helping me, but I have the forcedeth module working09:41
Red_MenaceSo thanks a lot09:42
mojohi all ppl09:47
mojoI'm wondering who's responsible for FireFox in Ubuntu?09:48
mojoI got a patch to remove the line seperator in Help on the menubar09:48
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Red_MenaceIf I wanna get the 64bit source, do I use apt-get install linux-source?09:52
bob2mojo: file a bug about it.09:53
bob2Red_Menace: aren't 64-bit kernels built from regular kernel.org tarballs?09:53
Red_MenaceI really have no idea.  I'm pretty new to the linux world.09:54
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bob2the amd64 ubuntu port has a 64-bit kernel, anyway09:54
bob2the whole distro is 64-bit, except for weird things like openoffice.09:54
Red_MenaceYah, I'm running the 64bit kernel now, I just need the source so I can compile a module09:54
bob2which module?09:55
Red_MenaceIt's a NIC driver by Nvidia for the NForce3 chipset09:55
bob2and you almost certainly don't need the source to build it, the linux-headers-2.6 package is enough.09:55
bob2are you sure ubuntu doesn't include it already?09:55
Red_Menacewell, I tried to install the drivers and it said it could not build the module because the source was missing.09:56
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Red_Menacelooked in /usr/src and there was nothing there09:56
bob2Red_Menace: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport09:57
bob2looks like you just need the forcedeth module.09:57
Red_MenaceThere are several header packages to choose from ... how do I find out which has been used to compile my kernel?09:57
bob2and you'd need to install the linux-headers-2.6 package to be able to build the module.09:58
mojobob2: where to submit the GTK conversion patch for OOo.org? Ubuntu Bugzilla or OOo.org Bugzilla or GNOME Bugzilla?09:58
bob2Red_Menace: install linux-headers-2.6-amd64, I think.  but you're sure the forcedeth module doesn't work?09:59
mojoI 80% convert OOo.org to GTK209:59
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bob2mojo: isn't ximian doing that, too?09:59
Red_Menaceforcedeth seems to work.   Thought I'd install the drivers proper.  There is also a sound module I wanna build.09:59
mojobob2: yes, I'm extending all their codes, fix bugs (that's why I call it patch)09:59
bob2Red_Menace: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include the sound module?09:59
bob2mojo: ah09:59
mojowhere to submit?10:00
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bob2Red_Menace: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport10:00
mojob/c I got a special tweak patch for only Ubuntu10:00
bob2Red_Menace: it looks like all your hardware should be fine10:00
bob2mojo: that should definitely go to ubuntu then10:00
mojobob2: but the point is: Ubuntu doesnt have any GTK2 for OOo b4, so ...not really sure..10:01
bob2mojo: how is part of it ubuntu-specific then?10:01
mojoUbuntu will move to GTK2?10:01
bob2I don't know.10:01
bob2ask on the ubuntu-devel list, someone will know10:01
mojolet me try10:01
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mojobob2: damm, none answer me10:03
bob2eh? you have to wait, people don't read the list continuously10:04
bob2and you did read "list" not "irc channel", right?10:04
bob2it is a weekend, dude :)10:06
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Ninjas-Rezatmdoes anybody listen to gamingfm10:21
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SpamHognot me10:24
mrben_awaymorning all10:24
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mrben_awayhey Iorek 10:28
Iorekanybody know how I can make Firefox play Quicktime movies?10:29
bob2you can't play quicktime with ubuntu.10:29
Iorekthat seems unlikely, I'm sure you can do it in Debian10:30
bob2you need mplayer or such, which isn't in ubuntu.10:30
Iorekmhhh...suse could do it with xine...10:31
bob2maybe they can only play the unpatented codecs.10:32
mrben_awayyou can install mplayer on ubuntu if you add the marillat sources to your sources.list10:33
mrben_awaydeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main10:33
bob2for i386.10:34
mrben_awayshould work for all architecture, if I understand the nature of debian repositories10:34
bob2the repository isn't the problem, marrilat only hosts .debs for i386.10:35
mrben_awayah, does it? Sorry - didn't realise10:35
bob2er, marillat.10:35
mrben_awaybtw - anybody else have any problems getting into the device manager?10:35
mrben_awayit just pops up a window, and then closes it immediately for me?10:36
bob2how up to date are you?10:36
bob2I believe HAL had problems ~day ago10:36
mrben_awayah ok10:36
punkassyou can get the xine mozilla plugins10:36
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punkassIorek: that will play quicktime10:36
Iorekpunkass cool. How? ;)10:37
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punkassIorek: get them from xines site (i think there is a link at the bottom of the page)10:37
punkassthey are rpm10:37
punkassuse alien to convert them to deb10:37
punkassthen: dpkg -i xine-plugins10:37
punkassor whatever its called10:38
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punkassoops again..thats the source :)10:39
punkasstho u may need that w32codec rpm to not sure10:40
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punkassanyways off to sleep for me...later all10:40
joemyou can get w32 codes from that one repo10:41
Iorekalready have the codecs :)10:41
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Iorekmmmh..installing works, but apparently not to the right directory10:47
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TreenaksIorek: did oyou get the w32codecs from marillat.free.fr10:49
Treenaksthere's also "plugger" which can make a plugin from almost any program10:50
Treenaksmaybe mozplugger10:50
Treenaksmozplugger it's called10:50
Iorekbut the xine plugin is in usr lib instead of in /home/iorek/.mozilla/plugins :P10:50
Iorekcreate symlink?10:51
TreenaksIorek: if it's in /usr/lib/mozilla it should work10:51
Treenaksotherwise it'd only work in your ~10:51
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Treenaksmozplugger = nice10:52
PandUHi all, Is there a way to install realplayer or crossover in amd-64 ubuntu10:53
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Iorekmmhh...creating a symlink worked to SOME degree...now it says "click to play" instead of "install the plugin" :P10:55
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Iorekunfortulately, it still doesn't play :P10:55
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joemI like the mplayerplug-in10:55
joembetter then any of the xine ones I have used10:56
mirakis there kde ?10:56
alessandro_when I finish the ubuntu installation on i386 don't start the grafical login...10:57
Treenaksmirak: yes, in universe, but what's wrong with gnome?10:57
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alessandro_I must restart the pc but also after rebbot I've the same problem.10:58
TreenaksIorek: try about:plugins10:58
bob2alessandro_: does it print errors?10:58
mirakTreenaks: I have tried it several times but always switched back to kde10:58
mirakdon't ask me10:58
mirakI tried :)10:58
polok_I'm off10:58
polok_back later10:58
alessandro_bob2, No only black screen10:58
bob2alessandro_: does it drop back to a login terminal or does it stay black?10:59
alessandro_bob2, it stay back I can't go on a terminal10:59
SpamHoghelp help!  mouse frozen on X start, can get to CLI, what command to reconfig mouse under x?10:59
Iorekjoem: have you been able to do it in Ubuntu? :)10:59
bob2SpamHog: what sort of mouse is it?10:59
alessandro_bob2, keyboard don't anser... but it work11:00
TreenaksSpamHog: did you change anything/11:00
SpamHogIM PS2 on psaux, wheeled11:00
SpamHogno, 1st boot11:00
bob2SpamHog: sure the mouse is working ok?11:00
SpamHogyes!  I have KVM, could have been misrecognized in autoconfig11:01
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SpamHogworks fine on other distros11:01
TreenaksSpamHog: no, it configures all possible mice afaik11:01
bob2SpamHog: does it work if you get rid of the KVM?11:01
TreenaksSpamHog: did you change your KVM to another PC while booting?11:01
SpamHogproblem is, I am not sure how the kvm simulates mouse while switched to other machine....11:01
alessandro_bob2, could append that the live cd works?11:01
bob2alessandro_: the livecd works but the install one does not?11:02
bob2SpamHog: sounds like a KVM problem...11:02
SpamHognot on other distros....11:02
bob2SpamHog: turn your machine off.  switch the kvm to your machine. reboot.  does the mouse work now?11:02
SpamHogis there a way to reinvoke HW recognition, or what is the CLI way of returning to X configuration?11:03
TreenaksSpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8611:03
bob2that won't help11:03
alessandro_bob2, no no I haven't tried the live cd...11:03
Treenaksand I wonder why the ubuntu installer even USES /dev/psaux, as it's obsolete and everyting is in  /dev/input/mice nowadays11:03
SpamHogooops, I assumed /dev/psaux...  wait for dmesg11:04
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bob2alessandro_: oh, I doubt it will help11:04
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Evasohi guys, do u support updfstab ?11:05
TreenaksEvaso: not needed, pmount is used11:06
alessandro_bob2, I don't know but now I can't do nothing... when I start the pc it crash with black screen11:06
EvasoTreenaks: there is a pmount package that can i install also on debian machine?11:06
TreenaksEvaso: don't know, probably..11:07
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Evasoand what about udf writing?11:07
bob2alessandro_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration11:08
bob2Evaso: if you want ubuntu, just use ubuntu...11:08
bob2alessandro_: can you file a bug report and include the information that asks for?11:08
bob2alessandro_: you can avoid the crash by booting into single user mode11:08
Evasobob2: ubuntu support udf writing?11:09
SpamHogDMESG: input: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse on isa 0060/serio111:09
bob2Evaso: does the mainline kernel?11:09
SpamHogDMESG: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice11:09
TreenaksSpamHog: that means it found a mouse, and all mice are 'mixed together' in /dev/input/mice11:09
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SpamHogTreenaks: OK, so it's as expected. Suggestions? 11:10
absurdherodoes anyone know whether anyone is hacking on the "Airport Express" drivers?11:10
absurdheroi can't find any docs, mailing list postings, anything, through google11:11
TreenaksSpamHog: reboot with the KVM switched to your PC all the time, see if that works11:11
absurdheroi dont even know the chipset model11:11
TreenaksSpamHog: and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration11:11
Treenaksabsurdhero: lspci will tell you11:11
Treenaksoh wait11:11
Treenaksnot video11:11
absurdheroTreenaks: I dont have one anyway =/11:11
absurdheroi might buy one to hack on a module though11:11
SpamHogOK, I'll try.  If this is the case, not fun. Be back soon.11:12
Treenaksabsurdhero: I think google knows more11:12
absurdheroneed to find out if anyone has already tried and failed though11:12
absurdheroi have no search terms though11:12
Treenaksabsurdhero: airport express linux module ?11:12
absurdheroairport express linux module (or driver) brings up yellowdog and other places noting the lack of support. thats it11:12
absurdherono sf.net pages, no useful mailing lists, nothing11:13
absurdheroi probably need the model of the chip to get any further11:13
Treenaksadd source11:13
absurdherosince that would get non-technical stuff out of the picture11:13
Treenaksadd patch11:13
absurdheroya, ill try source11:13
absurdheroi think i tried that though =/11:13
Evasobob2: look here http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/Linux/ht-mtrainier.shtml11:13
Evasoi tink that ubuntu could support this feature11:14
absurdherooh i forgot, airport extreme also brings up the damned base station of the same name11:14
absurdherooh and s/express/extreme way up above11:15
IorekI hope there are plans to provide a quicktime plugin someday...or at least something that can play those11:15
SpamHogrebooted with KVM switched in, mouse still dead11:16
SpamHogis there no CLI way to restart X config?11:16
absurdherowhat xconfig are you using?11:20
TreenaksSpamHog: yes there is11:20
TreenaksSpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8611:20
TreenaksSpamHog: I told you11:20
TreenaksSpamHog: you can switch to the other console with Ctrl+Alt+F111:20
Treenaks(are you sure the mouse is in the 'mouse' socket and the keyboard in the 'keyboard' socket, and the cables from your KVM are correct as well?11:21
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tom-cathehe, there's something wrong with root password in graphic apps and in console11:27
raver31hi all11:27
darksatanictom-cat: That's because there is no root password.11:29
darksatanictom-cat: Use sudo to access root instead.11:30
alessandro_bob2, I succeed to log in a terminal but if I do # X11 I receive X11: command not found11:30
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SpamHogTreenak: thank you, trying now....11:42
SpamHoggrrrr!!!!    as I crtl+alt+backsp now, X restarts automatically....  didn't do so on previous boot11:45
SpamHoghow can I impede a restart???11:45
bob2alakdan: "X" is what you want11:46
danielsor 'startx'11:46
SpamHogno, I want CLI as X had dead mouse rotting in the middle of the screen...11:46
SpamHogcan I reboot to CLI?  how?11:47
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SpamHogno to mention the floating cow (which is cool...)11:47
bob2SpamHog: you don't need to repeat over and over11:47
joemyou can just ctrl+alt+f1 or something11:47
bob2SpamHog: you need to tell grub to boot you into single user mode11:47
joemdon't need to reboot11:47
bob2or that11:47
SpamHogjoem: ctl + alt + F1   great!11:48
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Smevenanyone around?12:02
Smevenare there any ubuntu developers or maintainers around?12:03
jdubalways ;)12:04
SmevenMy question has somewhat to do with packages that are nice, but arent included into ubuntu12:05
Smevenmost of them relate to dvd12:05
joemplayind dvds?12:05
joemer playing*12:05
Smevenmore like backing up dvds12:06
Smevenlxdvdrip is a nice piece of software12:06
Smevencommand based12:06
Smevenjoem: dd cant backup a dvd9 :)12:06
Smevenor else i'd use it12:06
bob2someone will have to package it12:06
joemtried dvdbackup?12:07
Smevenit uses dvdbackup12:07
joemI have no idea if it does what you want, just saw it in the list12:07
Smevenit makes those tools easier to use12:07
SpamHogBrethren, methanks Youse all verymuch. Mousy still belly up.  See you again after release.12:07
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andidhi all12:07
joemSpamHog, did you change the mouse device in your XF86.conf?12:08
Smevenanyone in here package giftui?12:08
andidis somebody willing to help me, i have problems installing ubuntu....12:08
joemSmeven, it is in universe12:08
SpamHogyes, I tried psaux and went back to default...  thanks again for the help, but see you in a bit...12:09
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Iorekapt-get install gift....it'll install giftcurs12:09
Iorekbut giftoxic is in universe too12:09
SmevenI am partial to giftui12:10
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Smevengiftui will be a lot better next release12:10
Smevenmore gnomish12:10
Smevenbetter HIG12:10
Maydayi did something stupid and installed the xorg server, now it seems it foobared my normal X install (even if i installed xorg into /usr/XORG), anychange to reinstall whole XFree with a singel command?12:10
Mayday(the XFree that comes with unbuntu that is)12:11
SmevenAnd the gconf code will actually work next release12:11
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PandUI want to play real audio, Is there a way to install realone12:19
joemthink they have linux installers at the real site12:24
Iorekthey do12:26
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PandUbut not 64bit12:30
PandUis there another channel for ubuntu amd6412:30
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bob2PandU: just ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list12:32
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LoneElfHello all... i would really like to install gdesklets, but im rather new to ubuntu and dont want to mess anything up...  im not seeing it when i do an apt-cache search gdesklets12:50
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vrlnLoneElf: I think gdesklets is in universe12:54
andidwhat is universe??12:54
LoneElfHrmmm , odd that i dont see it, i wonder why... 12:54
vrlnunsupported packages as far as I know12:54
vrlna bit like debians contrib I quess12:55
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TreenaksI wonder why ubuntu doesn't install abiword-gnome and gnumeric by default... they're much less bloated than openoffice12:56
joemopenoffice is more well known12:56
joemonce of the reasons epiphany isn't installed by default12:57
joemer once12:57
Treenaksjoem: windows is more well known too, doesn't make it better.12:57
joemah, one12:57
LoneElfAck, i didnt have universe in my sources.list.12:57
jdubTreenaks: OOo is the 'market leader', despite gnumeric being technically better.12:57
j^does abiword use the open office format by now?12:57
jdubTreenaks: a distribution shipping abiword/gnumeric over OOo would not be taken seriously.12:58
joemit uses its own format12:58
jdubTreenaks: however, abiword and gnumeric are in our supported set.12:58
Treenaksjoem: that's another thing... OOo en abw/gnumeric should settle on a common, standard file type12:59
Treenaksjdub: 12:59
j^joem thats is worn, kwirte finaly switched to use the open office format, will abiword switch its default any time?12:59
j^joem *wrong12:59
jdubTreenaks: it is likely that they will all use the OOo formats soon enough.12:59
joemI don't know12:59
joemthere all openformat xml files, but I'm sure they will settle on something12:59
Treenaksjdub: once they do they'll probably need integration in the 'Preferred applications' stuff?01:01
LoneElfare there any cool GL benchmarking utilities for linux that look cool?01:01
TreenaksLoneElf: any GL xscreensaver -- most have a -fps option01:02
jdubTreenaks: unlikely01:03
bob2LoneElf: glxgears.01:03
Treenaksjdub: then OOo needs de-bloating01:03
Treenaks(but I don't know enough C++)01:03
j^bob2  GL benchmarking utilities *that look cool*, not glxgears01:04
vrlnLoneElf: doom3 timedemo1 :)01:04
joemglxgears looks cool :)01:04
bob2I think it looks plenty cool01:04
vrlnnot sure if the demo is out yet though01:04
LoneElfthanks vrln =)01:04
vrln(for linux that is)01:04
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jdubTreenaks: please don't use the word 'bloat' when referring to these kinds of issues - it doesn't mean anything :)01:14
jdubTreenaks: the major issue for OOo is startup performance01:14
jdubTreenaks: which is substantially improved in 2.001:15
jdub(as is memory usage, so i hear)01:15
Treenaksjdub: The OOo source is larger than XFree source01:15
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jdubTreenaks: that's not even remotely surprising :-)01:16
jdubTreenaks: OOo does a heck of a lot more than XFree8601:16
jduband i'm understating that ;)01:16
Treenaksjdub: maybe it does too much for one package?01:17
joemit the nature of office suites to do lots of stuff01:17
joemthats what they are designed for01:17
j^theantix is not one package but a suite of packages01:17
jdubTreenaks: the component parts share a huge amount of infrastructure - that makes sense :-)01:17
j^Treenaks the was01:17
jdubTreenaks: you could ship them separately, but that wouldn't change much01:18
jdub(apart from being a more maintainable distribution and development method, the benefits of which you can see in gnome)01:18
jdubbut, well, doing that with OOo would be a massive, massive challenge at this stage ;-)01:18
Treenaksjdub: like the Firefox thing Mozilla did?01:19
Treenaksjdub: (and Thunderbird, etc.)01:19
jdubno, deeper actually01:19
jdubfirefox is still fairly monolithic01:19
jdubmoreso, in fact01:19
jdub(apart from the other major components like mail, etc)01:19
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jdubOOo 2.0 might be here in time for Hoary01:21
jdubwait for that, sounds like it's going to be good01:21
j^jdub did you have a look at the development version? is it usable.01:22
joemjdub, what reasons are there behind not using ooo-ximian?01:22
sivangjdub : hi, just wanted to ask what's ubuntu-meta pruporse? I've wondered around it's code a bit...01:22
joemI'm not to into the openoffice world, don't know much of what goes on01:22
jdubjoem: ooo-ximian is the branch that novell, red hat and debian work on -> we do have it :-)01:22
jdubsivang: it's just a meta package with dependencies01:22
joemas default though01:23
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jdubj^: not sure at the moment01:23
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Scognitodoes Xorg will be included in the release of ubuntu?01:23
sivangjdub : oh, so to fulfill the need to allow people who are not installing from scratch to get new introduced pkgs?01:24
jdubScognito: yes01:24
Scognitojdub, cool01:24
jdubsivang: yeah01:24
Scognitoand when it will be out?01:24
jdubScognito: march (preview) and april (final) next year01:25
Scognitowasn't 4.10 meant as the 4th of october?01:25
jdubthat's the current release01:25
jduber, not the 4th01:25
jdubthe 20th01:25
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Scognitoso it is not Preview release01:25
jdub4 == 200401:25
jdubno, the preview release went out last month01:25
topyliScognito: not oct 4, but 04-1001:26
Scognitoso the the 20th of october will be out the release, right?01:26
Scognitook clear :)01:26
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Scognitois possible to not use udev without recompile the kernel?01:27
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jdubScognito: udev is fully user space01:31
jdubScognito: i wouldn't recommend not using it, but you can01:31
joemdevfs is already depreciated, and won't exist at all pretty soon01:33
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bob2hm, ubuntu doesn't use bootlogd01:36
Scognitojdub, the problem is i need the devices for lirc and mga_vid, and they are deleted every time after the reboot01:36
Scognitohow can i solve this prob?01:36
joemScognito, udev.rules Is what you are looking fore I believe01:37
jdubScognito: you can fix up the udev configuration for those01:37
Scognitodoes someone modified this file or know where i can find some doc about it?01:38
joemgoogle for udev rules01:40
joemsomething should come up01:40
Scognitook thanks alot01:41
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j^netapplet is not installed anymore?01:46
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jdubnetapplet has never been in warty01:47
j^what is the suposed, gui way to switch to another wireless network?01:47
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jdubthere isn't one in warty, aside from the g-s-t networking dialogue01:47
j^the g-s-t networking dialogue never worked for any of my wireless network kards.01:48
j^other than that, i did not show the iw2100 one, since there was no entry in /etc/network/interfaces01:48
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mojoexcuse me all ppl01:54
mojoexcuse me all ppl01:54
mojoany one here know how to use alien with a specific "control" file?01:55
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jsubl2i am getting my amd64 this morning.. woot!!01:59
crimsunlucky bastige!01:59
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Tzalidarim so glad that you guys put up "dive into python" on the ubuntu page as a recommended book. I've always been kinda interested in learning python and that book is just great! :)02:09
smeggyyou can get it free on the net...02:10
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andidsomebody online how can help me?02:14
bob2if you have a question, just ask02:14
andidok after installing ubuntu i got this error message "i cannot start the x server (your graphical interface) it is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the x server output.... " and the error msg: X: cannot start /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory)"02:16
andidok what should i do now02:16
bob2this was a default install?02:17
siretartwhere does nautlius put burn://? i added some files (too many) but cannot remove them from there (?!)02:17
AndersAAthat's the exact error message andid?02:17
andidi wrote it down on paper to bringt it here02:18
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AndersAAsure it didn't say X11/XF86Config or something like that?02:18
andidnope this is exactly the error message02:18
andidnothing wie xfreeconfig02:18
AndersAAyeah, actually that makes sense02:18
AndersAAbut... it not having that file doesn't make sense02:19
andidhmm im new to linux02:19
AndersAAyou didn't boot with any custom flags or something?02:19
andidi even don know how to do that ;)02:19
AndersAAfigured as much02:19
AndersAAthat's really odd02:19
andidi did a default installation and hoped that it would work02:19
AndersAAare you close to the computer now?02:19
AndersAAit generally will02:19
andidyeah i am close to it02:20
andidhave to go up some stairs02:20
andidbut thats no problem02:20
AndersAAtry apt-get install xserver-xfree8602:20
AndersAAlogin, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree8602:20
andidok and than?02:20
AndersAAsee what that says02:20
AndersAAthat package should already be installed02:20
siretartandid: which installation media did you use?02:20
AndersAAyou could try sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X aswell02:21
andidi downloaded the i386 iso image and burned it on cd02:21
AndersAAdid you say yes to installing packages from the internet?  Could be it screwed up there somehow02:21
andidyes i dit02:21
andidand he downloaded all packages02:21
andidor i think he did so02:22
AndersAAlogin, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 <-- try that02:22
AndersAA... no, try the ln line02:22
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andidok wait a second i try it02:22
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andidok the ln not apt??02:22
AndersAAsudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X02:22
AndersAAlogin then write that02:22
AndersAAand reboot and see if that works02:22
andidok i give it a try02:23
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Tzalidaryeah, i got it free on the net02:23
sertmanntwo quick questions i hope you can help me with... does ubuntu use x.org or xfree86 as default? couse i've been changing my xfree86-config4 beyond recognition and i still only run in 640x480 mode...02:24
AndersAAtry checking your log file, could be it's detecting your monitor wrong and keeping you in 640x480 because of that02:25
sertmannand is there a tutorial on setting up the propetary nvidia drivers somewhere, couse it seems it's quite different from debian, as you can't apt-get the kernel source and image...02:26
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andidok im back02:27
sertmannseems like my monitor is detected just fine.... with appropriate freq. detection and all02:27
andidi did the ln line and restarted the machine02:27
andidand now i got this error: /etc/X11/X is not executable02:27
AndersAAyeah, figured as much02:27
AndersAAchances are it's an invalid link or something02:27
AndersAAwhat I'd do for a quick fix without doing any advanced stuff is just reinstall and say no when it asks to update stuff from the internet02:28
AndersAAyou can do that later02:28
andidand than?02:28
AndersAAI'll guess instead of installing from the cd, it's "sync's" the package tree and tries to install updated packages from the internet instead of installing from cd and then updating.02:28
AndersAAwhich means if it fails to download something it won't install that package at all02:28
AndersAAyou can probably update your system after install without problems02:28
andidi tried this out last night02:28
andidand x wont come up too02:29
AndersAAsame error message?02:29
andidso today i updated packages, did apt-get upgrade02:29
andidand apt-get install gdm02:29
AndersAAhmm.... I'd try bug reporting this if I were you, hopefully they'll have some suggestions on what went wrong02:29
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andidsounds not good02:30
AndersAAwell it is a pre release02:30
AndersAAand they fix stuff fairly quickly :)02:30
andidoh thats good02:30
AndersAAthis would probably be a pretty high priority bug, so it should be fixed soon.02:31
AndersAAalso keep in mind if they ask you to checkout /etc/X11/X, that I told you to create the symlink :)02:31
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sertmannAny other bright ideas? i probably just forgot something and can't remember what it is i forgot :)02:33
tuhlHi - Is Mark Shuttleworth also "avaliable" on this channel?02:34
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bob2he is here02:35
bob2it's probably better to email him, though02:35
AndersAAsertmann: well, if you have configured your file with X -configure it puts the config file in your homedir, which overrides system's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 configfile02:35
tuhlbob2: What is his NIC?02:35
sertmanndid dpkgxconfigure02:36
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bob2tuhl: it'd be better to email him, I suspect02:36
sertmannand editet manually02:36
AndersAAcat /var/log/XFree86*.log, maybe grep for EE or WW (error/warning)02:36
tuhlbob2: What is his e-mail address?02:37
Mithrandirmark.shuttleworth@canonical.com, iirc.02:37
sertmannah, seems you were right Anders, hsync out of range.... anyway to check this, cz i don't have the manual, and it doesn't state on the monitor....02:41
sertmannehm any way02:41
AndersAAif you comment ouf the hsync and vsync lines it'll try to auto detect em02:41
AndersAAwill work on most monitors02:41
sertmannaha! rebooting....02:43
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izmaeliswhat is so special about ubuntu linux?02:47
sertmannhe, it doesn't detect your monitor properly :D02:48
izmaeliswhat do you mean by that?02:48
sertmannjust joking....02:49
izmaelisno, really, why should anyone choose this distro?02:50
sertmannsupposedly it's debian with a more frequent release cycle, which suits me fine if i could only get it to work properly02:50
sertmannand it's fast too02:50
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izmaelisno offence, but i think that source based linux distros are faster than binary package based ones02:53
NoodlesWasn't that disproved though?02:53
joemdepends on your definition of fast02:53
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sertmanni was merely stating it seems more responsive than debian, not comparing with gentoo02:54
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crimsunizmaelis: "faster?"02:55
crimsunizmaelis: wrt package updates? binary performance?02:55
crimsunubuntu's packages are updated very frequently.02:56
joemcrimsun, I spent 3 days upgrading, so to make up for it I pretend things go 10x faster02:56
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crimsunit's not uncommon to find multiple updates within hours.02:56
joemthat type of faster :)02:56
crimsunjoem: awesome.02:56
sertmannmmm... well.... commenting out the sync rates didn't help...02:57
sertmannany other suggestions?02:57
izmaelisuhmmm... and is it possible (or even logical) to install ubuntu on machine, that does not have internet connection?02:58
joemjust grab an install cd02:58
joemall of the packages are on it02:58
Ferrydamn this sucks02:58
Ferryif you have xinerama setup02:58
philipss2there's missing one thing though :)02:59
Ferryit will only show windows on the first screen in the windows list02:59
Ferryand not ones that are on the second screen02:59
philipss2something to burn audio cds ... found nothing on the CD for that02:59
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joemphilipss2, cdrecord02:59
philipss2and something more clickable for my mother ?03:00
joemheh, nope03:00
joemnot for audio anyways03:00
philipss2i thought nautilus-cd-burner was supporting audio cds .. i was wrong :(03:01
Treenaksphilipss2: there are some AUDIO_TRACK references in the source, so I think it might support it in the future03:02
izmaelisdo they send you ubuntu linux cds for free?03:02
joemyes you can have cds mailed to you for free03:03
philipss2Treenaks: ok thx for info03:04
izmaelishey, i like that03:04
Maskieizmaelis: free cd's only after final release on 20th oct --- goto http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/03:04
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Maskieizmaelis: you can order as many as you like --- even powerppc and amd6403:05
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izmaelisi'm trying to remember any other distro that sends you install cd for free, but i can't remember any03:07
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netoryggihi there03:09
Treenaksizmaelis: suse used to send SuSE Professional packages to Debian Developers :)03:09
Myshking'day. when i try to install  I get "no installable kernel found" error. any advice?03:10
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netoryggii'm moving from windows to ubuntu and well, my debian/linux experience is limited...but I'm trying to play the teletubbies for my kid on the comptuer, but it seems like totem player needs some additional packages for xvid, divx and etc.  - i've tried to write apt-get w32***.deb but it doesn't work....anybody that can help me?03:10
TreenaksMyshkin: is your CD burned correctly, and found during install?03:11
Treenaksnetoryggi: look for "marillat" in the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/), it has an explanation03:11
MyshkinTreenaks: the md5 sums were ok & the installer verified the packages03:11
netoryggi??? the marillat... 03:12
TreenaksMyshkin: what kind of CPU do you have?03:12
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MyshkinI tried the preview iso & some of the daily snapshots both normal & expert03:12
Treenaksnetoryggi: there's a search box on the wiki page, use it to look for 'marillat' (or DVD)03:12
Myshkinit's a p4 2.66 (dell dimension 4500 with a few upgrades)03:13
netoryggiTreenaks: sorry to sound very stupid...but wiki page sounds jargonish :-) to a me (sorry know i'm beginner)03:13
Treenaksnetoryggi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:13
netoryggithx Treenaks03:13
Treenaksnetoryggi: marillat is the name of the guy who packaged all tools03:13
Treenaks(last name)03:14
MyshkinTreenaks: i saved the error reports to a floppy. from messages: Setting up base-config (2.44ubuntu23) ... Err file: warty/main Packages Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Reading Package Lists... E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.03:15
netoryggiTreenaks: thought that :-) - so there is no way to play xvid or divx like in mandrake linux for example?03:15
TreenaksMyshkin: input/output error means there's a problem with the installation medium03:16
KamionMyshkin: I/O error suggests a dodgy CD burn03:16
KamionMyshkin: the usual advice is to try burning at a lower speed03:16
Treenakswhat Kamion said03:16
Treenaksnetoryggi: there probably is, but I don't know anything about mandrake (other than "it exists")03:16
Myshkini'll try but my hopes are low. i'm a newbie so iv'e burned a _lot_ of iso's (for various distros) & all of them worked ok (all that matched the md5's)03:17
stianhhow many fulltime devs does ubuntu have?03:18
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Myshkincould i/o have anything to do with ide or dma?03:18
stianhI am writing an article in norwegian about ubuntu, so I hope you won't mind me asking a few general questions :)03:18
izmaelisis there any forum for ubuntu users?03:19
Mithrandirstianh: for whom?03:19
ruperti have a problem running k3bsetup, it gives tons of errors that it missis icons and cant find kcmshell03:19
stianhMithrandir, no one specific, but there is one norwegian linux site that I am thinking of submitting it to, and maybe a printed magazine, but chances are highest on it beeing published on the website.03:19
rupertthan it crashes03:20
Mithrandirstianh: which one, then.03:20
stianhMithrandir, www.linux1.no, and if they won't take it I'll try my luck with Linuxmagasinet (www.linmag.no) which is the printed one03:21
Mithrandirlinuxmagasinet seems to take most people throw at them, IME.03:21
stianhI think linux1.no does too03:21
Mithrandirno idea, haven't heard of it before.03:22
stianhit's just a few months old03:22
Kamionstianh: about ten working on the distribution full-time, 34 total employed by Canonical03:23
stianhKamion, thanks03:23
smeggyanyone wanna start like a ubuntu community site?03:24
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stianhsmeggy, if you wanna call it mailordergeek.com you can get hosting and domain for free :P03:25
KamionMyshkin: in recent versions of our kernels we've turned off DMA for CD drives03:25
smeggylol stianh03:25
KamionMyshkin: that postdates the preview release, though03:25
stianhsmeggy, I'm serious, I have the domain and serverstuff :)03:26
stianhbut nothing on it :P03:26
stianhbut I am guessing it would be a bad domain name for such a site :)03:26
smeggystart a geek clothing store or something :P03:26
rupertcan someone help me getting k3bsetup to run?03:26
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izmaelisis there any forum for ubuntu users?03:32
MyshkinKamion: Well, the 2004-10-03 snapshot ends in the same result. The 2004-10-06 snapshot doesn't work in normal mode (hangs on language select-maybe due to my usb keyboard?), but the expert ends the same too. How can I try tuning my dvdrw drive with hdparm during the install? 03:32
darksatanicizmaelis: Here, and the mailing lists.03:33
darksatanicizmaelis: If you mean a web forum, then not as far as I know.03:33
Mithrandirwe're working on that, though.03:34
PerfDaveWill the web forum be a web gateway to the mailing list?03:34
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netoryggiTreenack: is there any "easy" way to get the codecs installed03:36
supertedis there an easy way to get java and shockwave in epiphany?03:37
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rupertis there any other way to burn UDF Data DVDs under linux?03:38
rupertk3b says me to use 1x speed03:38
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sucramhi there03:39
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sucramis there anybody who can help me getting my usb hdd working under ubuntu?03:40
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KamionMyshkin: hdparm's available; press alt-f2 to get a shell where you can mess around, and alt-f1 to get back to the installer user interface.03:42
joebeastiedoh :P03:44
rupertthats what sucks in the linux com, you ask and get no answers, you will never get the desktop03:48
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MyshkinKamion: Is any of that other information useful? I.E., syslog, hardware summary...?03:49
KamionMyshkin: syslog may well be; I really need to get going, though, I'm late for the family visit I meant to pay today03:50
MyshkinKamion: Thanks for your help!03:53
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cardadoranyone is using anjuta / glade? i noticed that a required package for c++ is missing: glademm03:57
cardadormissing from universe03:57
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izmaeliswhen will be new version of ubuntu avaiable/04:03
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JohanHizmaelis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view04:05
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Maskieizmaelis: and release schedule for warty -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule04:08
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BatUzhow can I enable root user?04:13
normnmilesin terminal type sudo passwd root and reset password04:14
Phr0stByteHow can I change my audio output to esound insteat of oss that it is using now?04:15
andid84i have the following problem: after default installation x server is not set up correctly what should i do??? no detailed information about where the error occurs is given.....04:19
Tzalidardo you have a ati card?04:21
andid84yes i have an ati radeon 9600 pro04:21
Tzalidarwhat i did04:22
Tzalidarwas to open the XF86Config-4 file04:22
Tzalidarit lies in /etc/X1104:22
Tzalidarthen i changed the driver to "radeon"04:22
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ccshould ubuntu installer be clever to note not to start pcmcia on iMacs ?04:38
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jdubcc: it's meant to remove pcmcia-cs if it's not required04:39
jdubKamion: around?04:39
firemouthI cannot get a new Ubuntu install to boot. Something wrong with grub. Need help!04:39
ccjdub: ok. i'm doing a fresh install now, lets see if it removes it04:39
Mithrandiranybody with an amd64 and a nvidia card around?04:41
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bulvineanyone home?04:41
firemouthI'm here04:41
bulvinedo you know what I must do to get ubuntu to access NTFS shares?04:42
goatboyMithrandir: me.04:42
FiFii have ubuntu installed and working on a sata disk drive (/dev/sda), i can access my cdrom drive (/dev/hda) but devices for 2 my two ide disk drives aren't created (no hdb or hdc in /dev/)04:42
FiFii tried MAKEDEV, but it doesn't work (cause of udev i think)04:42
FiFiwhen i look into /proc/ide i can find specifications for the two hard disk drive04:42
FiFiso my question is,04:42
FiFihow can i add hdb and hdc in /dev/ using udev (or maybe another util) ?04:42
firemouthNot I. I cannot get my system to even boot up.04:42
ccis there an rsync archive of the daily iso's? so i can just rsync the iso, rather than download a new one (saves bandwidth) ?04:42
Mithrandircc: yes, it's documented on the wiki04:43
ccMithrandir: thanks; i should pay that more attention04:43
Mithrandirgoatboy: want to test amd64 linux-restricted-modules?  (That is, nvidia modules working out of the box, more or less)04:43
Mithrandircc: rsync://archive.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-amd64.iso , adjust for your architecture.04:43
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ccthanks, thanks04:44
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firemouthWhat time of day is this room most busy?04:44
goatboyMithrandir: yes04:45
Mithrandirgoatboy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/ -- you need to install nvidia-kernel-common first.04:45
Mithrandirgoatboy: (and you need to load the nvidia kernel module by hand, or edit /etc/modules and change driver in your X config)04:46
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Mithrandirplease tell me if it works, if it does, this is going into the archive fairly quickly.04:46
robertjOkay, I'm sold on HAL04:47
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Mithrandirgoatboy: you want the http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules- and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb04:47
goatboyyou'll be my hero if this just works.04:47
robertjI rm -rf ~/Trash to get rid of some entries I didn't have permissions too and the icon turned to empty ;)04:47
bulvineIf I wipe and reload my WInxp it will over write the bootloader.  How can I get access back to ubuntu after installing XP again?04:48
bulvinedo I need to install samba to access the ntfs partition?04:48
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bulvineoppss hehe  not used to xchat  meant to close a chat and closed xchat04:49
Mithrandirbulvine: you don't need samba for accessing ntfs, no.04:50
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robertjStupid question, where do images go to show up on the wallpaper list?04:53
sivangrobertj : somewhere your .gnome2 dir on ~04:54
sivangrobertj : there should be another directory there, "wallpapers" or something04:54
Tzalidarbulvine: what is it exactly that you want to do?04:54
robertjI dont see one, I'll just give up and use the gui04:54
Mithrandirgoatboy: does it work? :)04:57
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goatboyMithrandir: grabbing it over slow dialup :/04:57
goatboyMithrandir: I'll let you know in like 20 minutes :)04:58
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Mithrandirgoatboy: ok :)04:58
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iainmhey folks. I just installed warty from a daily I downloaded a few days ago. While the installer was running after booting from the CD, the monitor switched on and off throughout the installation. After the reboot and loading from disc, the problem went away. Is there anyone here who'd like to work on it now, I should I bugzilla it?05:03
Mithrandiriainm: our installer hacker is away atm, so you should probably file a bug in bugzilla about it.05:04
Mithrandirit sounds very weird, though.05:04
iainmit is. The OSD thingy goes away as well - it looked like it was switching in and out of power save, so it's all quite unfathomable to me.05:05
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Mithrandiriainm: there might be some boot options that can be twiddled to turn off those things during the install, I don't know.05:06
iainmwhich component should I file it for? base-installer, debian-installer and ubuntu-base seem like the potential candidates, but I'm not sure which one is most appropriate.05:09
Mithrandirdebian-installer, probably.05:09
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jayeolahow often is the kernel updated?05:15
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whattzzz-upppwhat is the most stable ubuntu daily release ? 05:15
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jazzkaI selected vesa during installation, but I prefer VGA05:15
jazzkahow can I solve it?05:16
jayeolai've d-loaded a cd a month ago and just wondering if it worth d-loading again05:16
goatboyMithrandir: looks like it's all working.05:16
Mithrandirgoatboy: goodie, now I just have to make sure I didn't break anything wrt the i386 modules.05:17
whattzzz-upppis it okay for me to download the current ubuntu release (as it has wvdial) or to downloard warthy released on september? which is the most stabel one ?05:18
Mithrandirwhattzzz-uppp: both should be stable, but I'd go for the daily one, it should have a bunch of fixes you might want.05:19
jazzkaubuntu uses x.org or xfree?05:19
jazzkaI want to change to vga!! please help!!!05:19
whattzzz-upppxfree modified one05:20
whattzzz-upppjazzka edit XFconfig-4 and change the driver from vesa to your graphic card05:20
Treenakswhattzzz-uppp: better to use dpkg-reconfigure for that05:21
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whattzzz-upppTreenaks yes that automates a lot of things05:21
Treenakswhattzzz-uppp: and report a bug with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration as a guideline05:21
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dexturSay is there a file list for the live CD somewhere?05:24
iainmI've got a few partitions on /dev/hdc which have data I want to get at. Is there a shiny gui way to mount them, or should I just do it the traditional way?05:26
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ccmount -t smbfs // /mnt/myshare doesn't work! i replaced smbfs with cifs, but no go either05:28
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ccthis on ppc05:29
Tzalidarcc: you can browse the network in gnome :)05:29
Red_MenaceI'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to dual boot with WindowsXP.   My WindowsXP partition is an NTFS partition on hdb3.05:29
ccTzalidar: i know, but sometimes its convenient to have the mp3 collection mounted05:29
Tzalidarthat is correct :)05:30
Tzalidarim an irc noob, how do you write "to" someone?05:30
Tzalidarlike you did05:30
ccTzalidar: just ave nickname with a :. easier to have nic<tab> and type05:30
ccwhere <tab> is the tab key05:30
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Red_MenaceI tried to add this entry to my /boot/grub/menu.1st to make WindowsXP boot, but it won't work: titleWindowsXP05:31
fred87anyone know if ubunto works with UML?05:31
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TheMonoTonerootnoverify(hd0,3) should probably be hd(1,3) if its on the second hard drive05:33
TheMonoToneer (hd1, 3)05:33
Tzalidarcc: okay05:33
TheMonoToneRed_Menace, also, counting starts at 0, so it would likely be (hd1, 2)05:34
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Red_MenaceTheMonoTone: I kind of thought so too, but looking at my menu.1st file, all my linux partitions are listed as (hd0,X)05:34
TheMonoToneactually no, your rright (hd1,3)05:34
Tzalidarwhen i mounted samba shares i had to use mount -t smbfs -o username=<username> //<host>/<share> /mnt/<mountpoint>05:35
Tzalidarthen it asked me for the password05:35
Red_MenaceTheMonoTone: Ok, I'll try that05:35
TheMonoToneyeah, might as well give it a shot05:35
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Red_MenaceTheMonoTone: I forgot to mention I don't actually have a drive installed as hda.  That IDE connector is free for my removable hard-drive.05:36
dexturIs there a list of what packages are installed in the default from 1 cd install somewhere?05:37
TheMonoToneyou should probably look up on how grub counts drives05:37
TheMonoToneI don't know off the top of my head05:37
Red_MenaceTheMonoTone: Ok, thanks for the help05:37
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dextursay is tvtime or another tv watching app included in the live cd?05:44
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iainmdextur, have a read of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement05:46
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bulvineman.  working with Linux is taxing05:48
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defendguinbulvine, in what way?05:51
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rileywhy would a host on a samba workgroup show up with smbclient -L localhost, but not when I try smbclient -L <host name>05:55
dexturiainm, Thanks. So no TV viewing app at all on the live cd then?05:58
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jazzkacan I install packages from debian in ubuntu?05:59
iainmdextur, I know nothing more than that that wiki page has the lists of what appears where.06:00
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jazzkasuperted, how?06:01
supertedjazzka: add a rep in apt.conf06:01
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supertederr, sources.list06:01
supertedjazzka: what program are you looking for?06:02
jazzkamldonkey, and amsn also06:02
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supertedboth are in the universal reps06:03
supertedcomment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list06:03
jazzkaok, I'll see06:03
jazzkabut, those packages are unsupported, that doesnt sound ok....06:04
supertedi think it's better than getting them from a debian rep though06:04
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paxetilwhats the default root password in ubuntu ? it didnt asked me in installation process06:06
jazzkaapt-cache search returns an error after uncommenting those lines06:07
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Treenakspaxetil: did you read the FAQ06:07
SamBozoanyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu ?06:07
Treenaksjazzka: apt-get update first06:07
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sertmannwhy are the kernel headers and sources not aviable via apt, i want my nvidia drivers06:08
juliusmalchhello, I-ve download ubuntu livecd06:08
paxetilTreenaks, no. What FAQ ? in ubuntu webpage ?06:08
WW_paxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.572265367706:08
juliusmalchbut nautilus does not start06:08
paxetilthx WW_06:08
SamBozoanyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with kernel ?06:09
paxetilits said that using root in net or irc is unsafe, isnt unsafe using user with root privileges ?06:11
paxetilits almost same thing06:11
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vincentmiam! http://www.es.gnome.org/~telemaco/06:14
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mumartAny comments on setting UDMA for cdrom/dvd drives?06:19
tom_cathello, how to install Midnight Commander (MC) on Ubuntu ?06:21
Treenakstom_cat: apt-get install mx06:22
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juliusmalchis it possible to install ubuntu from the livecd?06:27
paxetilubuntu uses, stable/testing/unstable ?06:27
tom_catTreenaks:  please look at:06:28
tom_catroot@homenetwork:/home/myubuntu # apt-get install mc06:28
tom_catReading Package Lists... Done06:28
tom_catBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:28
tom_catE: Couldn't find package mc06:28
Treenakstom_cat: do you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?06:28
tom_catuniverse, what is this ?06:29
mumarttom_cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.535934980106:29
WW_tom_cat: also: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view06:29
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tom_catwell, let me have look at those !06:30
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tom_catmumart, WW_: It works! Thanks a lot!06:35
andredWhat a good way to disable services from starting at bootup, but still allowing oneself to easily turn it back on (so not removing the init scripts completely) update-rc.d only allows to remove stuff as far as I know, not disable.06:35
WW_I installed ubuntu from the preview release, and I've been upgrading regularly.  Occasionally a new metapackage appears, and I can't tell if I need to install it.  For example, today I see a new package called "ubuntu-desktop".  Should I install this?06:35
iainmComputer->System Configuration->Time and Date is telling me that I need to run "NTP support in the system". I assume that means installing ntp-simple?06:37
mumartandred: I usually just delete the symlinks out of the runlevel dirs rcX.d. It's easy to put them back in when you need them.06:38
mumartI'm surprised ubuntu doesn't have some sort of runlevel editor built in.06:38
andredmumart, Yeah, I'd like one.06:39
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goatboyMithrandir: small problem.06:55
goatboynvidia-settings from apt just segfaults.06:55
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goatboyextracting nvidia-settings from the nvidia installer seems to work though, so it isn't a driver issue.06:56
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Mithrandirgoatboy: ok, so nvidia-settings is broken -- it's not part of the packages, I'm working on, but definitely something that should be fixed.06:58
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Mithrandirgoatboy: reproduced, btw.07:00
swoonhi goatboy, I finally got k8 installed, and its headers (i think) and I just tried to install the nvidia driver... I got this error: gcc version-check failed: ./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh line:1 cc: command not found ... ?07:00
goatboyMithrandir: cool cool, should I bugzilla it?07:01
swoongoatboy: it also says: if you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version check select no to continue installation07:02
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Mithrandirgoatboy: I'll handle it07:02
Jack_MalmostosoHi there everybody07:02
goatboyswoon: that means you don't have gcc installed, but if you wait a bit packages are coming.07:02
Jack_MalmostosoJust came in to say how great the livecd is07:03
Jack_MalmostosoI am using it right now07:03
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Jack_Malmostosobye guys07:06
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swoongoatboy: packages coming today? I dont mind installing gcc... I allways find that I need to compile something sooner or later anyways07:08
swoonI cant really wait long... need it working todya..07:08
swoongoatboy: could you tell me what package to install exactly?07:08
swooncan someone ping me pls?07:08
joshuagoatboy... I was lagging, did I miss anything you said?07:08
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swoon_i may still be lagging...07:08
swoon_do I just need to install the "gcc" package?07:09
swoon_or do I want gcc-3.4?07:10
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Treenaksswoon_: you want build-essential07:11
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goatboyswoon_: these aren't tested, but you can try http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules- and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb07:12
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goatboyswoon_: you'll also need nvidia-kernel-common from apt.07:12
swoon_thank you goatboy 07:12
swoon_ok great07:12
leonelEit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?07:13
swoon_and do I need any particular build-essential? or just whatever there is in the library?07:13
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goatboyswoon_: if those packages work you wont need build-essential.07:13
nitindoes anyone know how to get a radeon 9700 pro working with ubuntu?07:13
nitinwith 3d and all07:13
goatboynitin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:14
nitinand that should get all features of it up and working?07:15
Tzalidargoatboy: dont you need to add more things to the XF86Config?07:15
Tzalidarthat guide suggests you to add some other things as well07:16
nitinthat one is not ubuntu specific Tzalidar07:17
nitin\i like the 1st one07:17
nitinseems simple and the edit's say it works07:17
Tzalidaryeah i know :)07:17
Tzalidarwhat i meant07:17
Tzalidaris that it suggest you to add more things to the config07:18
nitinoh yea anyone know of a program thats like dreamweaver for ubuntu07:18
nitini mean linux07:18
nitinquanta? hmm07:18
Mithrandirswoon_: I really want to get feedback on the packages on people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen, so please tell me. :)07:18
Tzalidaror bluefish07:18
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swoon_Mithrandir: ok, the first gave errors, didnt write them down... sorry... but I need to url to the other again please?07:19
absurdheroubuntu is so cool, i want to use it, but my debian box is perfect as it stands...07:19
nitinwow screenshots look awome07:19
Mithrandirswoon_: first, install nvidia-kernel-common, then http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-
Tzalidarnitnin:   :)07:20
Tzalidarnitin i meant :)07:20
Tzalidari've used quanta some07:20
Tzalidarit is amazing with php07:20
swoon_Mithrandir: then install both? or just the second if the first doesntwork>07:20
nitinhmm i searched on package manager for quanta but i only find the 1.X version is there a way to get the 2.x bleeding version?07:22
Tzalidarthe ati howto looks nice :)07:23
Mithrandirswoon_: you need both.07:23
Tzalidarnitin: the bleeding version is 3.307:23
Mithrandirgoatboy: thanks for spotting the nvidia-settings problem, I have a fix now. :)07:23
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nitinhow would i get that~_07:23
Tzalidarnitin: quanta uses qt07:23
goatboyMithrandir: you rock :)07:24
Tzalidarif you want to use something that uses gtk07:24
Tzalidarthen you go with bluefish ;)07:24
Tzalidari dunno if they have bluefish07:24
MithrandirTzalidar: it's in universe, iirc07:24
nitinanyway to get bleeding edge quanta with apt?07:24
TzalidarMithrandir: thanks :)07:24
Tzalidarwhat does iirc mean?07:24
swoon_whats bluefish?07:24
nitinits an ide07:25
Tzalidarah web development application07:25
nitinfor programmers07:25
Tzalidaryes ;)07:25
|trey|nitin: add universe to your sources.list... its there... but its not supported...07:25
Tzalidarbluefish or quanta?07:25
nitinquanta or bluefish07:25
nitini know quanta is there but im just trying to find the bleeding edge one in apt07:25
|trey|nitin: sid probably is has newest...07:26
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nitinwatever ill just install 1.x then07:26
WW_nitin: The package version of quanta in universe is 1:3.2.3-1.  07:26
swoon_Mithrandir: both installed fine... do I need to do anything else before starting X ?07:26
nitini dont see that07:27
chriszi have a bootloader question..........07:27
nitinlet me check me repositories07:27
Tzalidaryou need to add universe07:27
nitinyea its added07:27
chriszi'm running MDK10.0 & cooker07:27
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nitinoh theres a mis'spelling in the url07:27
nitinthere we go07:27
chriszi want to install ubuntu. when it gets to the bootloader install on ubuntu, is there an option not to install it?07:27
Tzalidaryup :)07:27
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|trey|WW_: thats newest in Sid too  :)07:27
FlatfootHidy Ho07:27
chriszi'd like to keep my MDK bootloader07:27
chriszhey FX07:27
Tzalidarhmm i dunno if ill go with bluefish or quanta07:28
Flatfoothey chrisz07:28
|trey|Tzalidar: Both are pretty good, try both.07:28
Tzalidarmaybe i should try bluefish while im in a gtk environment anyway07:28
nitini tried bluefish i think quanta might work better Tzalidar07:28
absurdheroTzalidar try both07:28
Tzalidaryeah, ill do that07:28
swoon_goatboy / Mithrandir after install the two packages, is there anything I need to do before starting X ?07:28
|trey|but quanta will take longer to install07:28
Tzalidarive used quanta some07:28
nitinbluefish is not really web dev spacific07:28
absurdheroi prefer bluefish myself, but I don't use any special editors any more07:28
Mithrandirswoon_: load the nvidia module (modprobe nvidia; you probably want to add it to /etc/modules as well) and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; select the nvidia (not nv) driver, make sure glx is enabled; dri and GLcore should be disabled.07:28
Tzalidarabsurdhero: emacs guy ey? :)07:29
absurdhero:) how did you guess?07:29
Tzalidareveryone who shuns ide's have seen the fine parts of emacs07:29
nitini dunno ive just never gotten that close to emacs ~_~07:29
nitineven tho i use it alot07:29
Tzalidari'me a ide junkie07:29
chriszanybody? bootloader for ubuntu........... is there an option during the install NOT to use the ubuntu bootloader?07:29
Tzalidari think so07:30
nitinwhen u start installation07:30
absurdheroadmittedly, ive been using Dreamweaver at work, but emacs would solve so many of our problems07:30
nitindo the07:30
nitinadvanced i nstallation07:30
Tzalidarabsurdhero ;)07:30
nitininstread of just hitting enter on install07:30
chriszi'm running MDK & cooker right now. wanna try ubuntu, but not replace my MDK bootloader07:30
Tzalidaryou can install the ubuntu bootloader in /boot07:30
chriszi didn't see anything in the install info about having a choice with the bootloader07:30
nitinyea 07:30
Tzalidari got a question if i wanted to put it in MBR or in /boot07:31
nitinwhen it boots up with ch07:31
Tzalidaror via MDK bootloader07:31
nitingive it the advanced install option07:31
nitinor watever07:31
nitinand it probably will07:31
chriszadvnaced install, gotcha07:31
nitinsomething like that07:31
Tzalidari got the question with regular install07:31
chriszoops. advanced07:31
nitinhit f2 f3 or watever07:31
nitinit will give u a list07:31
nitinof commands07:31
chriszi can edit my MDK boot loader easy enough to boot ubuntu from there07:31
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|trey|Tzalidar: MDK Bootloader = GRUB too..07:32
nitinjust test it out first07:32
Tzalidaryup :)07:32
nitinim not 100% sure07:32
chriszdoes ubuntu use lilo or grub? or does it have a preference? i use lilo07:32
Tzalidar|trey| ye i know ;)07:32
|trey|chrisz: GRUB... no one uses LILO anymore...07:32
Flatfootubuntu used grub by default07:32
chriszi do07:32
Tzalidarexcept reiser4 junkies07:32
SolarHydroI'm running ubuntu liveCD: key question, can I increase screen resolution07:32
|trey|chrisz: time to upgrade  :/07:32
Tzalidarthe yoper guys use lilo ;)07:32
chriszbah ;)07:32
Tzalidarbecause "its the only bootloader that boots reiser4"07:32
absurdherois there a liveCD for PPC?07:33
nitincomputer->system conf->screen solution07:33
absurdheroif so, how do you make it go "Live"?07:33
chriszi don't use reiser4, so no biggie07:33
SolarHydromax is 102407:33
chriszthanks guys07:33
nitinull have to edit the07:33
nitinXF config file07:33
nitini guess07:33
absurdherothe installer came up when I ran the PPC CD07:33
nitinand then restart X07:33
mumartGrub is sooo much nicer than lilo ...07:33
absurdherobut grub doesn't support raw fs :(07:33
Tzalidargah, how do i "pretend" in apt07:33
SolarHydroI'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that07:33
nitinedit /etc/XF86config and under monitor add some more resolutions07:33
Tzalidarlike: emerge -pv quanta07:33
nitinull see how to do it07:34
mumartabsurdhero: Lilo doesn't, technically, support any filesystems.07:34
|trey|Tzalidar: apt-get -s <command> <pkg>07:34
absurdheromumart: :)07:34
absurdheromumart: but it doesn't have to, its not powerful enough07:34
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nitinyaya im starting up quanta!07:34
Tzalidar|trey| thanks ;)07:34
SolarHydroTell me how to reach XFconfig07:35
|trey|SolarHydro: /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:35
mumartabsurdhero: Lilo has a limit on the size of the kernel and initrd doesn't it.07:35
|trey|SolarHydro: whatever editor you want.07:36
nitinsoemthing like07:36
Tzalidarsudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:36
SolarHydroCan I use OpenOffice for it?07:36
Tzalidarif you wanna use nano and want to 'root' it ;)07:36
nitindamnit Tzalidar u beat me to it07:36
|trey|SolarHydro: or just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and do it again07:36
Tzalidarsure did ;)07:36
absurdheromumart: I don't know. but I do knowk that I want raw fs support in grub07:36
nitindamn quanta blocked me typing:)07:36
SolarHydroSorry I'm a noob, can you guys talk me through that?07:36
absurdheroperhaps I should add it.. not that they would accept the patch07:36
Tzalidarnitin: ;)07:37
swoon_sorry Mithrandir but do I want to use the kernel framebuffer device interface or not?07:37
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nitinSolarHydro, type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then go down to the monitor section and add resolutions like "1600x1400" then save and exit then hit cntl-backspace07:37
SolarHydrowhere do I type it?07:38
nitinapps->system tools->terminal07:38
Tzalidaris there a way to get qt apps use gtk themes07:38
SolarHydroaah, can't cut and paste07:39
Tzalidari know that you can do the opposite07:39
|trey|SolarHydro: sure, sudo openoffice oowriter07:39
chriszthanks agin folks. i'm sure i'll be back with other questions once i do the install.07:39
goatboyswoon_: no, you don't.07:39
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|trey|Tzalidar: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt07:39
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SolarHydroOK I typed that in Terminal07:40
|trey|GTK uses QT themes that way...07:40
Tzalidar|trey| isn't that the opposice07:40
Tzalidarokay now i see07:40
Tzalidari know that07:40
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SolarHydroit now says: GNU nano 1.2.3 and the filename07:40
Tzalidari wanna make qt apps use gtk themes :)07:40
SolarHydrowhat do I do next?07:41
|trey|Tzalidar: it will work from both... it just doesn't use GTK themes  :(07:41
nitinwhat? it shouldnt07:42
nitindid u type in sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:42
nitinu should see the file now07:42
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SolarHydroit shows me a filename07:42
nitinand type07:43
nitinls /etc/X11/07:43
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nitintell me the name of the XF86config file07:43
SolarHydrodid it, nothing happenend (I'm in terminal07:43
SolarHydroclose terminal and restart?07:44
|trey|nitin: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4  is indeed the file...07:44
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SolarHydroTalk me through step by step plz07:44
|trey|SolarHydro: what are you trying to do again?07:44
swimis there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?07:44
SolarHydroIncrease screen resolution07:44
nitincrap brb07:44
swoon_goatboy: crap I didnt see what it said before asking for keyboard model, should I leave it as it is? (pc104) ? im on a laptop...07:45
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SolarHydroMax resolution offered is 1024*768 (I'm using ubuntu LiveCD)07:46
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goatboyswoon_: leave as-is.07:46
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|trey|SolarHydro: how big do you want?07:47
SolarHydro1600 x 1200 preferably07:47
_swoon_goatboy: is there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?07:47
goatboy_swoon_: beats me, I've never had a laptop.07:47
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bborkkHas anyone successfully compiled/installed drivers for an ATI FireGL T2 card?  I found this site http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html but it doesn't mention the T2 card.07:48
SolarHydroswoon; there seems to be a synaptics app in ubuntu, synaptics makes touchpads07:48
bborkk_swoon_: Which laptop do you have?07:48
_swoon_bborkk: I have a compaq r3000z 07:48
absurdherobborkk: I know some of the linux laptop resellers have boxes with fireGL07:48
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bborkk_swoon_: Have you checked that the touchpad is enabled in the BIOS?07:49
bborkkabsurdhero: What is a linux laptop reseller?07:50
SolarHydrotrey: ideas?07:50
bborkkSolarHydro: I just joined... what are you trying to do?07:51
SolarHydroTrying to increase screen resolution07:52
SolarHydroThe max it offers is 1024*76807:52
bborkkSolarHydro: What is 'it'?07:52
SolarHydroI'm on the LiveCD of ubuntu07:52
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|trey|SolarHydro: if you know the Horiz and Virt Syncs, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change it.07:53
_swoon_bborkk: Ive used in other distros... and have not touched the bios since...07:53
_swoon_bborkk: do I need to install synaptics or something?07:53
swoon__could someone kick swoon, and swoon_ ? Im laging insanley and restarted the app twice...07:53
Mithrandirswoon__: they'll ping out eventually.07:53
SolarHydroI'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that, need someone to talk me through it07:53
bborkkSolarHydro: Do you mean Computer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution?07:53
swoon__bborkk: seems synaptic is already installed07:53
|trey|SolarHydro: you really don't, it walks you through it itself, just read.07:53
swoon__ok thanks Mithrandir ... btw could you help me getting my touchpad to work... synaptic is installed already...07:53
SolarHydroComputer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution? offers max 1024*76807:54
|trey|SolarHydro: no.07:54
|trey|SolarHydro: from command line... 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'07:54
SolarHydroActually it says desktop preferences07:54
SolarHydrowhere is command line?07:55
SolarHydro(I am a noob)07:55
|trey|SolarHydro: Applications > System tools > Terminal07:55
bborkkswoon: How do you know synaptic is installed?  Are you sure you're not looking at the package manager?07:55
|trey|Or Root Terminal07:55
|trey|that would work too, takes away need for "sudo"07:55
SolarHydrocommand not found :(07:56
bborkkSolarHydro: You can also right click anywhere on the desktop and choose "Open Terminal".07:56
bborkk|trey|: We might want to stick to sudo here.  :)07:56
swoon__bborkk: I did: apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics and it returned already newest version...07:56
SolarHydrosry did A type I am now in some kind of config app07:57
|trey|bborkk: why can't he use gksudo instead of sudo though?  :/07:57
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SolarHydroselect the desired X server it says07:57
SolarHydrois NV for nVidia?07:57
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|trey|Yes, but its not the manufacturers...07:58
SolarHydroSo do I click on that?07:58
|trey|blah... so yeah, its fps etc isn't good..   :/07:58
bborkkswoon__: Hmm.  Does your laptop also have one of those trackpoint devices?  Did your touchpad work at any time in the past?07:58
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SolarHydrosigh: 'please enter the video card's bus identifier' ...07:59
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swoon___did I miss anything?07:59
|trey|SolarHydro: hit enter if you don't know the answer... you just want Horiz and Virt Sync's... I told you that!08:00
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swoon___my mouse is out of batteries, and my touchpad isnt working... cant really use X...08:00
swoon__bborkk any ideas?08:00
bborkkswoon__: Did your touchpad ever work?08:00
Treenaksswoon__: go to the story, buy new batteris08:00
|trey|And you need to select the new Screen Resolution, then restart X. (so log out and back in)08:01
SolarHydrogoing through menus...08:01
swoon___bborkk: not in ubuntu, but in other distros no problem08:01
nitini wish they had dev-php for linux :(08:01
Mithrandirnitin: what do you mean?08:01
bborkkswoon__: Then it's not the BIOS.  Don't know what to say.  Sorry.08:01
absurdherodoes anyone know if there is a PPC Live CD?08:01
Mithrandirabsurdhero: no, there's not yet.08:01
Tzalidarye what do you mean nitin ;)08:01
SolarHydroit's asking me questions about my keyboard now08:02
swoon___bborkk: has to be ubuntu...08:02
nitindev-php is an ide for php developers on windows08:02
|trey|SolarHydro: damnit, I told you what to do  :/08:02
nitinits only for windows tho 08:02
Tzalidarahha ok08:02
nitinits just like dev-cpp08:02
nitinits soo good08:02
Tzalidari think that quanta is good with php08:02
|trey|SolarHydro: enless something else was wrong, keep hitting enter08:02
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SolarHydroshould I stop now?08:02
nitinbut i use gnome08:02
Tzalidarit remembers your variables08:02
Tzalidaryes i know08:02
nitinquanta looks shit in gnome :(08:02
Tzalidarso you did go for bluefish? :)08:02
nitini tried it08:03
SolarHydroI struggled to get my French keyb to work, don't wanna mess it up08:03
Tzalidaryeah i know08:03
nitinits not bad08:03
nitinbut it isnt really php specific08:03
Tzalidaryou can make gtk use qt themes08:03
Tzalidarbuth not the opposite08:03
WW_|trey|: Forgive the unrequested observation, but you sure could use a bigger dose of patience and empathy.08:03
Tzalidari use jEdit for python08:03
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Tzalidaranyone know a better python ide?08:03
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Tzalidaror maybe jEdit doesn't qualify for an ide ;)08:03
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nitinman we need agood ide...08:03
|trey|WW_: hah... yes... or apathy... would be less frustrating with more apathy.08:03
MithrandirTzalidar: emacs? :)08:04
SolarHydrowell, i did OK on everything, the script ended, and nothing changed08:04
Tzalidarhere comes the missionaries of the emacs church08:04
Tzalidareveryone i know who shun on ide's use emacs08:04
swoon___anyone have any problems getting their touchpad to work in ubuntu?08:04
tcki get an applet error upon entering the gnome desktop08:04
tck"Unable to acquire the monitor of the Trash directory."08:04
|trey|SolarHydro: you changed VirtSync, HorizSync, and Resolution, then logged out and back in?08:04
Tzalidarnitin: yup, ill go for a freshmeat search08:05
tckand the trash applet has disappeared ; any suggestions?08:05
absurdherothere is nothing wrong with an IDE, they just tend to blow. if someone makes a good one, let me know08:05
|trey|tck: put it back?08:05
|trey|tck: right click panel > add to panel  :)08:05
SolarHydroIt never offered me the option of Vsynch/Hsynch08:05
tckum.. i tried that before on a laptop 08:05
SolarHydroI haven't rebooted08:05
tckand then i get an error for each attempt08:05
tcki had like 5 or 6 applet erroes all saying the same thing08:05
|trey|SolarHydro: ugh... does for me... I have it ask me all questions though... 08:06
SolarHydroSo shall I do the procedure again?08:06
Tzalidarawsome;) 2. PHPEclipse08:06
TzalidarPHP support for the Eclipse IDE Framework.08:06
|trey|You can dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to low priority, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again...08:07
|trey|If you're sure you didn't see it...08:07
SolarHydroI am sure08:07
SolarHydrobut I chose NV on the assumption that was nVIDIA08:07
|trey|Ubuntu uses "High"... so asks less questions then I like...08:07
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SolarHydroperhaps it wasn't08:07
SolarHydrowell... I'll try it again some other day... this is tiresome08:08
SolarHydroI had a good impression of ubuntu08:08
|trey|SolarHydro: it is... but that doesn't change that it probably thinks your monitor sucks, or that you simply didn't have it try  :/08:08
SolarHydroSamsung 1100df08:08
SolarHydro21'' low dot pitch08:09
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|trey|SolarHydro: Umm, so it doesn't suck, doesn't mean X doesn't think it is...08:09
|trey|Horiz and Virt Sync dictate that...08:09
swoon___I wonder if my touchpad is not working because Im using ubunut-amd64 ? and it is using a 32bit module instead of 64?08:09
SolarHydroit makes me seasick to look at it in 1024*76808:10
|trey|SolarHydro: and thats why we are changing it...08:10
fluxyHello everyone08:10
SolarHydrochanging what?08:10
|trey|SolarHydro: Resolution... I think imma go and punch something...08:10
SolarHydrome too08:11
fluxyI've ordered some Ubuntu cd's some weeks ago, and am still waiting. Is that normal?08:11
Tzalidarget your monitor model and google for it's specifications08:11
Tzalidarthen you add the horizontal and vertical frequenzies to the config08:11
Tzalidarthen restart X08:11
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Tzalidarthen change your resoulution08:11
swoon___anyone running ubuntu on a laptop?08:11
|trey|Tzalidar: + add the resolutions to the list... yes  :)08:11
absurdherodoes anyone know of any truly good laptops with a decent screen size? I can't find any08:11
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SolarHydroallright I'll try it tomorrow08:11
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SolarHydroAcer travelmate 800LCi has 1400*1050 res, very good08:12
SolarHydroTrey & co, thanks for attempt to help, bye08:13
absurdherois it under 7lbs?08:13
Tzalidar|tre|: so it needs modelines?08:13
absurdheroill look into it08:13
swoon___Mithrandir: know anything about touchpad with ubuntu? I cant get mine working...08:13
Mithrandirswoon___: should Just Work..08:13
SolarHydroshould be around 7lbs08:13
SolarHydrodunno weight, it's my parent's08:13
|trey|Tzalidar: yes... Modes... but d-r is easier then pointing to the place in the file...08:14
swoon___Mithrandir: damn... mine doesnt, any ideas?08:14
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SolarHydrobye all08:14
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Mithrandirswoon___: can you drop the result of lsmod into a privmsg to me?08:14
swoon___Mithrandir: I dont know how to copy and paste from command only... Im not using X because the touchpad doesnt work... :(08:15
|trey|Mithrandir: Computer > System Config > Device Manager should allow you to load modules.08:15
absurdherowow the travelmate 800 is under 6lbs08:16
Mithrandirswoon___: ew, ok.08:16
absurdheroand it looks like its pretty neat08:16
|trey|Mithrandir: no where to add modules via GUI is bad for n00bs  :(08:16
Mithrandir|trey|: I guess we'll have something like that for hoary.08:17
Mithrandirswoon___: try running modprobe psmouse.08:17
|trey|Mithrandir: :(08:18
|trey|It'll prolly get done eventually though... too logical to not happen  :)08:18
Mithrandir|trey|: Warty is too close to release that we're able to add something like that before release.08:18
swoon___Mithrandir: oh but I did look at lsmod, and I didnt see anything called synaptic in there... to load the module would I just "modprobe synaptic" ?08:19
swoon___hmm ok the synaptic module isnt called synaptic... wonder what its called, anyone?08:19
WW_Hey experts, is it normal for there to be symlinks in / to initrd.img, initrd.img.old, vmlinuz, and vmlinuz.old?08:19
WW_The actual files are in /boot08:20
|trey|WW_: yes08:20
|trey|if you have more then one kernel installed08:20
Tzalidari am using warty preview release, but i wont need to download the image and reinstall, all i have to do is: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, right?08:20
sriis someone planning on packaging multisync?08:20
Mithrandirswoon___: try to just use psmouse08:20
|trey|Or you can just point GRUB at the actual images and not have the links... but getting rid of the excess appears to be a good idea  :/08:21
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|trey|Certainly easier to manage symlinks then _always_ be changing the file itself...08:21
Tzalidarnitin: found a good ide yet? ;)08:22
WW_|trey|: OK, thanks.08:22
swoon___Mithrandir: what do you mean just use psmouse? I did modprobe it, and then go into X just now but it still didnt work...08:22
|trey|Eclipse, MonoDevelop, KDevelop are all good apparently... First two I would say are best to try  :)08:22
Tzalidaryeah ;)08:23
Tzalidari like eclipse08:23
srihrm. looks like the one from unstable works.08:23
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|trey|sri: usually do... just might not run well of all archs...08:24
Tzalidarhow could i forget! www.gnomefiles.org :)08:24
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|trey|11 archs to SUPPORT, is a lot, plus another 2 archs, and 3 more kernels...08:25
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|trey|SuperH likely won't make next release, but others stand a good change of being part of the next version of Debian (after Sarge)08:28
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sri|trey|: yeah, thats what I hear..this seems harmles as it doesn't  have that many dependencies08:29
swoon___crappy get one thing to work after 2 days... and another doesnt...08:29
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damienpHi, first sorry for my english, but where can i get the kernel-headers, it's for the ubuntu 4.09 ... for installing eagle-usb08:31
swoon___does anyone know where th xf86 config file is?08:31
Tzalidaris there a good howto how to build ubuntu packages on your own08:32
nitinhey Tzalidar i found a pretty good one08:32
sriswoon___: /etc/X1108:32
nitincalled screem08:32
Mithrandirswoon___: /etc/X11/XF86Config-408:32
nitinlooks pretty good08:32
Tzalidaris it in universe?08:32
Mithrandirswoon___: try to restart X08:32
Tzalidarcool ;()08:32
nitintry it'08:32
Tzalidarneed to check it out08:32
Tzalidarwas thinking of building gphpedit ;)08:33
Tzalidarfound on www.gnomefiles.org08:33
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swoon___Mithrandir: in the XF86Config file there is no mention of synaptics... shouldnt it be in there?08:34
SamBozoanyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with kernel ??08:35
nitinlet me look at hat08:35
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bborkkswoon__: Yeah, I think it should be there.08:35
nitinug its not in aopt08:35
bborkkswoon__: I have a synaptics touchpad on my thinkpad... my XF86Config-4 file reads:08:36
bborkkSection "InputDevice"08:36
bborkk        Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"08:36
bborkk        Driver          "synaptics"08:36
bborkk        Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"08:36
bborkk        Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"08:36
bborkk        Option          "Protocol"              "auto-dev"08:36
bborkkSection "ServerLayout"08:37
bborkkIdentifier"Default Layout"08:37
bborkkScreen"Default Screen"08:37
bborkkInputDevice"Generic Keyboard"08:37
bborkkInputDevice"Configured Mouse"08:37
bborkkInputDevice"Synaptics Touchpad"08:37
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bborkkswoon__: I hope this helps.08:37
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nitindamn gphpedit looks good!08:38
rviranianyone know why after I installed ubuntu on my ibook the screen just flickers where I am supposed to get a GDM login?08:38
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rviranivi works best for editing PHP08:38
rviraniwell vim08:39
Mithrandirbborkk: is that on the wiki?  If not, could you add it?08:39
rviraniwith syntax highlighting08:39
nitinima use alien to convert the rpm08:39
tom1hi all .... anyone know, how can i mount my usb hdd like user ?08:39
bborkkrvirani: I think that's a known bug... not sure.  Check bugzilla.ubuntu.org08:39
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marioany have a repository with Ubuntu's packages for mono 1.0.2 ?08:40
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swoon____man my lagged nicks are not pinging out at all...08:40
tom1/dev/sda1       /media/usb-hd1  ntfs    defaults,noauto,unmask=000  0       0     .....it doesnt work for me08:40
rviranibborkk: k thanks08:40
bborkkMithrandir: I don't know if it's on the Wiki... where do you suggest to put it?08:40
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mhessubuntu is too good08:40
swoon___Mithrandir: odd Im reading a file on a site that explaing how to edit the XF86 config file to add synaptics touchpad, and it has things a bit different than my current config file, for example it say to add Load "synaptics" in the module section, that isnt even there in my file...08:41
Mithrandirbborkk: under hardware support somewhere.08:41
mhessthe only thing that bothers me with it is the lack of double buffering08:41
GeosBis there a auto java install to Ubuntu ?08:41
bborkkAnyone know why the fglrx drivers/configurers don't come with Ubuntu?08:41
swoon____also in my XF86config file it uses "synaptic" where on this wiki it says to use "synaptics" ...08:41
rviraniubuntu.org is down I Think08:41
nitinits ubuntulinux.org08:42
mhessis there a way to use debian packages with ubuntu?08:42
leonelEit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?08:42
rviranibugizlla.ubuntu.org is what was given08:42
tom1its good question  ..... are ati? drivers in kernel ?08:42
goatboybborkk: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto08:42
Mithrandirbborkk: they're in restricted.08:42
bborkkrvirani: That was a bug. :)08:42
mhessi've been adding debian repositories and it wont read them08:42
nitindo refresh08:42
nitingphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: liblinc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:43
nitin what library is that?08:43
bborkkgoatboy: Thanks.08:43
nitinor package08:43
rviraniI cant find it out of the 120 bugs08:45
rviranimhess: maybe if it worked :E08:45
rviranibborkk: i SURE hope they can fix it08:45
rviraniI bought my ibook to run linux on it08:45
rviranigentoo had the same problem.08:45
swoon____anyone: what modules need to be loaded (showing in lsmod) so that synaptic runs?08:46
nitingphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkscintilla2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:47
nitinwhat package do i need guys?08:47
Tzalidaryou have to download the library08:47
Tzalidarwait ;)08:47
nitini installed libqscintilla308:47
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Tzalidarwhere did you get gphpedit package?08:47
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zetorHello all!08:47
Tzalidarwhat did you think of screem?08:47
Tzalidartryingi t out now08:48
nitini thought it was ok08:48
rviraniscreen ownz08:48
nitinbut from the screenshots gphpdev looks good for php08:48
nitini mean gphpedit08:48
Tzalidarokay i'm stuck!08:48
Tzalidarscreem ruleZ :)08:48
bborkkrvirani: Did you actually find the bug on bugzilla?  I'm not certain it's there... just a flicker in my memory.08:48
rviraninitin: got a url08:48
rviraniI heard Eclipse is good for PHP devel but I havent had the time to sit there and learn it08:49
Tzalidarmm yeah it looks good08:49
nitinurl for what?08:49
Tzalidareclipse is cool08:49
rviraninitin: gphpdev08:49
rviraniEclipse just reminds me of .NET08:49
Tzalidaronly tarballZ08:49
rviranibecause its overkill for what I need it for08:49
nitini ment edit http://www.gphpedit.org/download/08:49
Tzalidardid you build it from source?08:50
tom1how can i mount my usb hdd like user ? .... only root can does it08:50
Tzalidaror found a package?08:50
Tzalidarand i'm still looking for a package creation tutorial08:50
nitinnop im using alien to convert rpm to dpkg08:50
nitin"sudo alient package.rpm"08:50
Tzalidaralien --to-deb source target08:50
nitinand it will make the dpkg08:50
Tzalidaryes i know ;()08:50
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Tzalidarbut im of the impression that it is better to build it from scratch if there is no distribution specific package for it08:51
Tzalidardoes it work then?08:51
nitinnot yet08:51
Tzalidartell me if you get it to work08:51
nitinstill installing packages08:51
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Tzalidarbut screem is very cool ;)08:51
rviraniscreem or screen08:51
Tzalidarscreen is a application for hmm08:51
Tzalidaryou ssh into a box08:51
swoon____yeay! I got it!! for somereason the line: Load "synaptics" was not in my XFR86config file08:52
Tzalidarand then you "save" the screen08:52
Tzalidarso you can start a command08:52
swoon____where do I need to add psmouse so that it is loaded at boot?08:52
Tzalidarthen ssh back08:52
Tzalidarand have the same "screen"08:52
swoon____thank you08:52
stianhthe installer for Ubuntu, is it the new installer for debian?08:53
Tzalidarhmm that's what i loved with gentoo ;)08:53
Tzalidaryou have all the packages in emerge08:54
nitinhey i got it working Tzalidar08:54
Tzalidarlike gphpedit is there08:54
Tzalidarw00t ;)08:54
nitinbut it doesnt lok so good08:54
nitinthe fonts are all screwy08:54
Tzalidarill stick with screen08:54
swoon____thanks everyone Im going into X08:54
nitinu cant read jack08:54
nitinand the left panel has a horizantal bar08:54
Tzalidarstianh: yup08:54
nitinwhich is gay08:54
stianhTzalidar, mkay. thanks :)08:55
Tzalidarnp ;)08:55
stianhjust working on my article :)08:55
Tzalidaror that depend on what you think of "new"08:55
Tzalidarit has been used in the netinstaller installation of sarge since januari AFAIK08:55
stianhwell, fairly new :)08:55
Tzalidaryup ;)08:55
Tzalidarbut it is the new debian installer08:55
Tzalidarand it rocks! ;)08:55
nitinim talking about gphpedit08:56
Tzalidarnitin: now you have to explain yourself ;)08:56
zetornitin:you are?08:56
nitinas i said the fonts are messed up08:56
stianhyeah, I was amazed at how easy it was to install Ubuntu (which would make it easy to install debian :P)08:56
Tzalidarnitin: now you have to explain how a computer program becomes gay ;)08:56
Tzalidaror what kind of sexuality a computer program has?08:57
nitinim watching the 2nd presidential debate08:57
nitini recoreded it on tivo08:57
nitinbush just said "i saw rumors on the internets"08:57
nitinthat guy is a jackass i tell u08:57
Tzalidarbush is so clever ;)08:58
nitinhe dont know wtf he says08:58
Tzalidari cant believe how a person that intelligent can run a country08:58
Tzalidarso funny seing him at press conferences08:58
nitinthe only argument he has is that "he knows what it takes"08:58
Tzalidarhe doesn't get any hard questions :)08:58
nitinlol 08:59
nitinman kerry is so much smarter08:59
nitinits sad really08:59
nitinhe  better win08:59
nitinwe cant have the ape run our country again08:59
Tzalidaryeah ;) although not mine country08:59
Tzalidarim from sweden08:59
Tzalidarwhats so lol about sweden09:00
nitinjust just that u said its not my country09:00
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Tzalidarokay ;)09:00
Tzalidargphpedit looks really promising09:00
stianhNorway is worse, we have some guy kissing ass to your ape!09:01
zetorTzalidar: sweden ja...:-)09:01
Tzalidari'm sure it will evolve into a great app09:01
Tzalidarzetor: ;)09:01
zetorTzalidar: Skl!09:01
Tzalidarzetor: Japp! :)09:01
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stianhffr gjr dom p detta viset?09:02
nitinLOL bush just asked charlie if his time was up09:02
nitinwhat a dumass09:02
Tzalidarbush is so entertaining09:02
nitinque divertido09:03
Tzalidarhe doesn't get hard questions on the interviews09:03
Tzalidarbut he still cant use them09:03
nitin(what fun in spanish)09:03
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panzar64bit support in ubuntu?09:03
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SamBozoCan anyone help get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu warty with kernel ??09:03
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Tzalidardarn, i had DMA disabled on my cdrom09:04
nitinLOL he said "i have a plan to increase the wetlands by 3 million" 3 million wtf? horses? cows? money?09:04
nitin(he ment acres i guess)09:05
zetornitin: sure he ment money...:-)!09:06
nitinhe supports a hydrogen car09:06
Tzalidarremember kids! dont enable dma while your cd drive is in use ;)09:06
Tzalidari did09:06
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zetorjust kiddin...09:06
Tzalidarwell, i was reading from it09:06
Tzalidarand now some applications hung ;)09:06
Tzalidarhmm i think i'll have to reboot09:07
Tzalidarcant eject the cd tray09:07
Tzalidari cant log out either :)09:08
nitinforce it09:08
nitinsudo reboot ~_~09:08
bborkkMithrandir: Hm, I can't edit the HardwareSupport page (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport).  Any suggestions?09:11
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Tzalidari'm back ;)09:12
nitinhey how do i set up java09:12
Tzalidarlol :)09:12
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nitinthe java compiler and all09:12
Tzalidargo to sun09:12
Tzalidardownload jdk-1.5.009:12
Tzalidarchmod +x09:13
Tzalidarthe installtion file09:13
Tzalidaryou change your dir to09:13
Tzalidarbefore installing09:13
Tzalidarthen it gets extracted09:13
Tzalidarden you add the environment variables09:13
Tzalidarand youre all set! :)09:13
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bulvinecan someone tell me the command to mount a SATA ntfs partition?09:14
Tzalidarhmm i should have dma on my cdrom, right?09:14
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nitinlol i cant find jdk on sun.com09:16
nitinam i at the wrong site09:16
Tzalidarbulvine: mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sdx /mnt/windows09:16
Tzalidarits to the right09:16
Tzalidarwhere x is your drive followed by partition number09:16
Tzalidare.g. /dev/sda109:17
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fughidabocan anyone offer some quick support?09:18
Tzalidarjust ask09:18
bulvineAHHHH   I dont knopw the root pw09:18
Tzalidarit's because it is scrambled09:18
Tzalidarsudo and then mount09:18
Tzalidarwhen asked for pass09:18
Tzalidartype in your user pass09:18
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nic__hi. I'm having trouble compiling wine, can anyone help?09:19
Tzalidaryou can enable root09:19
fughidaboI downloaded the installation CD (warty-i386.iso) and tried to install ubuntu this morning - I get to the splash screen (that allows you to press F1 for help, or start the install) - after I press enter some stuff gets loaded...but I get a nice black screen09:19
fughidaboso I never see the initial installation screen09:20
nic__getting the error:  bitblt.c:27:27: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory...then various others. I assume it means I'm missing a package I need, but can you advise me what it could be?09:20
bulvineI dont ever remember setting up a root PW in ubun tu09:21
Tzalidarthat is because ubuntu uses sudo for administrative tasks09:21
nitinwould j2sdk-1_4_2 work?09:21
fughidaboi tried to disable some of the installation options specified in the help section with no luck09:21
Tzalidaryes, but i recommend you to use 1.509:21
nitinits a self extracting bin09:21
Tzalidarsince it is stable ;)09:21
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Tzalidarand it is much better than 1_409:21
bulvinetza   it wont let me map unless im logged in as root09:21
Tzalidarjust type09:22
Tzalidarsudo <command>09:22
fughidaboare there any reasons as to why the installation will not start?09:22
Tzalidarsudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows09:22
Tzalidarwhen asked for password09:22
Tzalidarjust type your user password09:22
bulvinemount point does not exist09:23
Tzalidaryou first need to create /mnt/windows09:23
Tzalidarsudo mkdir /mnt/windows09:23
Tzalidaror whatever dir that you want to mount the ntfs partition in09:23
bulvinemount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist09:25
fughidabois it possible that the installation cd is not communicating with my ati 9800 pro???09:25
nitinthose chipsets dont usually just work09:26
nitinu have to sethtem up09:26
nitinset them *09:26
nitinthose are really new'09:26
nitinjust like me radeon 9700 pro09:26
fughidabook so what install options would you recommend so i can get it going?09:26
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nitini havent installed ubuntu on my desktop ye09:27
nitintbut that is the page after u install ubuntu09:27
nitinto set up ur card09:27
fughidabolol well that doesnt help 09:27
Tzalidarbulvine: /dev/sda1 is just an example09:27
nitinthat makes no sense09:27
mhessare there good drivers for the Rage Pro 128?09:27
nitinthe installer09:27
nitinthe installer isnt in X09:27
mhessthe "r128" driver is flakey09:27
Tzalidarbulvine: where does your ntfs partition lie?09:27
nitinso how doesnt it not work09:27
fughidaboyeah..it just goes to a blank screen :-/09:27
nitinthts just weird09:27
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nitincheck the options u can pass09:28
Tzalidarthat is really strange09:28
nitintry the09:28
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nitinno acipic09:28
Tzalidari can install with my radeon970009:28
nitinand the09:28
fughidaboive tried several of them with no success09:28
jacobIs there a howto on how to install the NVidia binary driver?09:28
Tzalidarjacob: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto09:28
jacobTzalidar, thanks09:29
fughidabowhat is also wierd is taht the LiveCD works perfectly....but the installer doesnt :-/09:30
bulvineAHHH  permission denied09:30
Tzalidarjacob: glad to help ;)09:30
Tzalidarbulvine: what now?09:30
bulvinewhen I try to access the folder Windows it tell me access denied09:31
Tzalidardid you give it the option "umask=0" ?09:31
Tzalidarumount /mnt/win09:31
bulvineumm no    I took that out cause I kept getting an error when I used it09:31
coeHi. I just installed Ubuntu and have a question. How do I get the Gnome sound to work?09:31
bulvinemy bad09:31
bulvineunmount /mnt/windows09:32
Tzalidarsudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,user,exec /dev/sdx /mnt/windows09:32
Tzalidarnot unmount09:32
bulvineuppsss  no in the terminal  :)09:32
coeThe sound in Totem works when i play MP3s and videos09:32
bulvineDOH!   my bad again09:32
bulvineok  unmounted09:33
Tzalidarcoe: i alltso had some trouble with that, although i dont remember exactly how i solved it :/09:33
bulvinehad to use sudo again09:33
Tzalidaroh, i forgot ;)09:33
coeTzalidar: That's too bad :-( I'll keep working on it.09:34
Tzalidarcoe: do you use alsA?09:34
coeTzalidar, Yes09:34
bulvinethis worked  but lost access sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows09:34
Tzalidarthat mount is dangerous09:35
Tzalidarbecause then you have write access09:35
Tzalidarand ntfs write is very unstable09:35
bulvineI need to write09:35
Tzalidarcoe: install libesd-alsa009:35
Tzalidarand then you need to change some keys in gconf09:35
Tzalidarbug begin with installing that09:36
bulvineI have a driver  "mpegport.sys causeing my XP to keep restarting.  I need to rename the file so it doesnt get loaded09:36
bulvineother wise its reloaded time again09:36
coeTzalidar, I'll try that. Thanks09:36
[photon] has anyone had any luck with installing x.org on ubuntu?09:36
bulvineI have reload time09:36
bulvinehave= hate09:36
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Tzalidaroh, a nasty reboot loop09:36
Tzalidara friend of mine had one once09:37
bulvineyeah  MS strikes again09:37
Tzalidarand it got fixed by nuking the registry09:37
Tzalidarand then inserting one from a restore point09:37
bulvinedam decrypter drivers09:37
swimah is there anyway to get nautilus to show full paths, and to show a toolbar with go up one level and regular stuff like that?09:37
Tzalidari recommend09:37
Tzalidarthat you use the repair console09:37
Tzalidarsince i'm not sure how safe ntfs write is09:37
almostluckyIs there somewhere I can get a lame package? I want to encode to mp3, and sound juicer tells me I do not have the encoder installed09:37
zugzwanganyone managed to get wine compiled? It complains at a lack of "X11/Intrinsic.h" for me - and I don't know what package that header is in09:37
bulvineI would but XP doesnt work in repair mode with my SATA drive09:38
Tzalidarcoe: tell me when you have installed that09:38
Tzalidarbulvine :/09:38
bulvineall i was to do is rename or delete that file09:38
Tzalidarwhy not encode to ogg :)09:38
coeTzalidar, Done. It removed "libesd0" in the process09:38
Tzalidarapplications->system tools->config editor09:39
Tzalidari have swedish translation so im not 100% sure about the path :)09:39
bulvineif Linux supported my Capture card and had better DVD creating software I wouldnt need Windows at all09:39
coeTzalidar, Okay.. I have danish09:39
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coeTzalidar, Okay, i'm in there.09:40
bborkkWhere's tuxracer?  apt-get install tuxracer says that it can't find the package. 09:40
Tzalidarcoe: hmm come to think of it, i think i only downloaded that09:40
Tzalidarcoe: and then i changed the gstreamer keys09:40
Tzalidarcoe: search for "osssink"09:41
Tzalidarchange osssink to alsasink09:41
bulvineso tza   is there a way to access file and rename it?09:41
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Tzalidarbulvine: you could mount your ntfs partition with -o rw09:42
Tzalidarthen you could rename the file09:42
Tzalidaror delete it09:42
Tzalidarbut i'm not sure how stable ntfs write is09:42
bulvineworth a shot since its dead now anyways09:42
bulvinewhats the command line on that again?09:42
Tzalidarokay ;) good luck! :)09:42
Tzalidarto mount?09:42
Tzalidaror to rename the file?09:43
coeTzalidar, I have a key named esdsink.. SHould I change that09:43
bulvineyes sir09:43
Tzalidaror to delete de file?09:43
Tzalidaryou should rename it to alsa09:43
bulvineumm  both would be good   :)09:43
bulvinecuz you duh man09:43
Tzalidarsudo rm /mnt/windows/<path to file>/<file09:43
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Tzalidarremoves <file09:43
Tzalidarsudo mv /mnt/windows/<pathtofile>/<file /mnt/windows/pathtofile>/<someohterfile>09:44
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Tzalidarrenames <file to <someotherfile>09:44
joh_is gst_plugin_get_list removed in 0.8?09:44
Tzalidarcoe: you may have to restart alsa or esound or something09:44
joh_wrong channel, sorry09:44
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Tzalidarnitin: how is java going?09:45
coeTzalidar, I have changed the key.. Restarting ALSA as we speak09:45
Tzalidari think that it was that i did to get gnome sounds working09:46
Tzalidaror at least totem sound working09:46
bulvinedo i need to mount something again09:46
Tzalidaryou need to mount your windows partition09:46
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Tzalidarcoe: i think that you need to relogin from gdm09:47
Tzalidarcoe: or restart esound somehow09:47
bulvinepretty please09:47
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Tzalidarsudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,user,exec /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows09:47
Tzalidarif mounted, sudo umount /mnt/windows09:47
Tzalidarmaybe exec is unneccesary09:48
Tzalidaryou could rename the file with nautilus also09:48
bulvinegettin that permission erro with that one again09:49
Tzalidaradding user as a option should give you permissions on it09:50
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Tzalidarcalm down09:51
Tzalidarhave you successfully mounted the ntfs partition?09:51
bborkkDon't worry... he won't need the PC.  I think Ubuntu runs on his abacus.09:52
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bulvineI tired to mount it and got tyhe permission error09:52
Tzalidarhmm but if you sudo it you have permission to mount it09:53
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Tzalidarhave you unmounted it09:53
Tzalidarcoe: did you get gnome sounds?09:53
coeTzalidar, That worked perfect.. Thank you :-)09:53
bulvineyes  per your prior instructions09:53
Tzalidarcoe: glad to help ;)09:53
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Tzalidarso: ls /mnt/windows09:53
MoofI'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading the bluetooth module at startup09:53
bulvineI get the good problems09:53
Tzalidarreturns nothing09:53
Tzalidarhold on a sec09:53
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sivangdoes anybody know how to duplicate CD in GNOME?09:55
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Tzalidartry this: sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,users,umask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows09:55
Tzalidardo you get the permissions error when you try to mount it?09:55
Tzalidaror when you try to delete/rename the file?09:55
coeI'm really impressed with Ubuntu. If they keep it up it see great things ahead for this distro09:56
Tzalidari am also very impressed by it09:56
Tzalidarsleek default interface09:56
Tzalidarwith /home on panel and stuff09:56
Tzalidartrash can in bottom right corner :)09:56
bulvinemount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist09:57
Moofbulvine: /dev/sd109:57
Tzalidarbulvine: it needs to be /dev/sda109:57
coeYes.. It's near perfect and the fact that it's Debian based is just the icing on the cake09:57
bulvinemount :  special device /dev/sd1 does not exist   (type o )09:57
Tzalidarbulvine: type /dev/sda109:57
Tzalidar/dev/sda1 means09:58
Tzalidar"first partition on the first SATA drive09:58
bulvineonm  says already mounted or is busy09:58
Tzalidarls /mnt/windows09:58
Tzalidardoes that give you output?09:58
bulvinepermission denied09:58
Tzalidarsudo ls /mnt/windows09:59
bulvineI PC wont put out   :)09:59
Tzalidarsudo umount /mnt/windows09:59
Tzalidarnote: umount, not unmount09:59
Moofanyone know how the modules startup sequence wrok? I'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading a bluetooth module that oopses itt09:59
bulvineoo oo  mister kotter  that gave me a list10:00
Tzalidarbulvine: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/windows10:01
Tzalidarmount it10:01
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tortoise__totem keeps giving me the error 'could not get/set settings from/on resource, anyone know why??10:02
bulvineread only file system10:02
Tzalidarsudo cd /mnt/windows10:02
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bulvinesudo CD command unknown10:03
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Tzalidarcd with small letters10:03
bulvinewas small10:03
toyowheelinbulvine, sudo su than do the operations10:04
Tzalidargood one :)10:04
Tzalidari didnt know that one ;)10:04
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Tzalidarsudo su10:05
Tzalidarumount /mnt/windows10:05
x4msudo su -10:05
tortoise__sudo -s10:05
Tzalidarmount -t ntfs -o rw,umask=0,user /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows10:05
Tzalidari cant belive that ms doesnt have a repair that work with sata10:05
Tzalidarhow can they get away with that?10:06
bulvinein in the folder and I see the file10:06
toyowheelinTzalidar, 10:06
toyowheelinchkdsk dont work on sata?10:06
guptancan ubuntu live cd used for installation of ubuntu?10:06
bulvinetza,  how do I now rename or delete the file while I am in the folder?10:07
Tzalidarmv file newfilename10:07
Tzalidarrenames the file10:07
Tzalidarrm file10:07
Tzalidarremoves the file10:07
Tzalidari dunno, bulvine says that the win repair console wont work with sata10:07
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toyowheelinhumm i need a sata drave 10:08
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bulvineAHAHH  read only    ITS KILLING ME10:08
Tzalidarhmm perhaps that means that ntfs write support isnt compiled in the kernel10:08
Tzalidarbecause it is experimental10:09
paxetilubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?10:09
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bulvineI knew I should have loaded SUSE10:09
bulvinedebian hates me10:09
toyowheelinlol @ bulvine 10:10
Tzalidarprehaps there is a live cd with ntfs write support?10:10
toyowheelinlinux hates my video card10:10
bulvineany of you fimilar with emergency boot CD 0.6010:10
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toyowheelinerd commander?10:11
bulvineI have gotten far enough for it to have much more than the Windows partition10:11
stianhHmm, sometimes in firefox when I click on links that I know are supposed to be popups, it just quits. Ubuntu only bug, or should it be submitted to firefox bugzilla?10:11
bulvinedonno about the commander  I just burnt the emergency boot CD   it lets you change passwords and such booted to a linux os10:12
toyowheelinbrb imgonna reboot to ubuntu10:12
bulvineyou ricks taked you10:12
bulvinerisk  shhessh10:12
bulvineOK  tza  this isnt going to work then?10:13
Tzalidarit sounds like it wont10:13
Tzalidarbecause you need to explicitly compile the kernel with ntfs write10:13
Tzalidarand becuase it is unstable10:13
Tzalidarprehaps ubuntu team decided not to compile with ntfs write10:13
bulvineok   thanks anyway.   WHat would really help I guess would be a Windows XP boot CD with SATA drivers10:14
Tzalidarbut isnt it10:15
Tzalidarlike when you boot the winXP install cd10:15
Tzalidarit says like10:15
paxetilubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?10:15
Tzalidar"press F2 for raid sata driver"10:15
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Tzalidari dunno10:16
Tzalidarbut i think it is like that10:16
Tzalidardo you have the install cd?10:16
bulvineactually its f6 to load other driver  and it does find the disk I insert and i chose the right driver.  BUt it then hanges when I usee the restore functions.  Its like it looses the driver for hte sata10:17
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toyowheelinok back10:17
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bulvinesorry for the delay,  have a poopy diaper than needed changed EEEWWWWW.  Yes I have the install CD10:23
toyowheelinlol stewie10:23
bulvineok  im gonna see what damage I can do wit hthe recovery CD10:24
hazmatsweet rml packaged up an inotify kernel patch for ubuntu!10:25
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Tzalidaranyone tried DrPython?10:25
Tzalidarim looking for a good python ide10:25
punkasswhats a simple Xbased text editor.10:26
punkassnot nano or vi10:26
punkassa light gui if u will :)10:26
toyowheelinkwerite kate 10:26
punkassnot depended on kde10:26
toyowheelin<---likes KDE alot10:27
punkasswell this is an old 166 system10:28
punkassso lookin for l10:28
punkassllight apps10:28
punkassnedit i think will work10:28
punkassuseing xfce10:28
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swimwhere are the gnome session properties?10:29
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djtanseyi have foomatic cups drivers installed but cups doesn't seem to recognize all the ppds in /usr/share/ppd -- any idea how i get cups to look in those directories?10:30
djtanseyalso -- is there a way that i can reenable webbased access to cups?10:31
punkasslol 30secs to open firefox10:31
toyowheelincups dont like the printer at my house10:31
toyowheelinyes djtansey10:31
djtanseytoyowheelin: thank you. how?10:32
toyowheelinumm just a sec I gotta find the port its on10:33
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djtanseybut the access is disabled with ubuntu10:34
djtanseycan't do admin stuff10:34
toyowheelindjtansey, have you looked at the cupsd config file10:34
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djtanseytoyowheelin: yup. nothing obvious -- almost everything is default10:36
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djtanseybut more importantly i am trying to get cups to read my /usr/share/ppd directory -- it was working but i uninstalled and reinstalled cups. now it isn't working10:37
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longsleepanyone knows why libxslt1-python2.3 contains only the docs and not the python module itself?10:38
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toyowheelindjtansey, I have no idea I too cant login to do admin functions10:39
toyowheelinnever thought about it before10:39
arthurjudt type your user password10:39
djtanseytoyowheelin: well -- i'll figure it out someday. i like it as a backup since the gnome cups manager doesn't allow much debugging. 10:39
youknowwhodoes anyone know if Ubuntu has support for Zoom modems on PPC?10:40
djtanseyarthur: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.10:40
toyowheelindjtansey, I am using KDE and its gor a great printer setup but my printer isnt supported so it dont matter10:40
djtanseytoyowheelin: yeah. i have a samsung 1740. i don't want to use samsung's funky installer. trying to get the ppd to work regardless10:41
youknowwhobecause unless it supports Zoom, then I can't connect to the net...10:41
toyowheelin<---lexmark x7510:41
toyowheelinno supprt10:41
punkasscannon i550  no support :(10:42
djtanseytoyowheelin: ah -- i've seen the x75 before10:42
marioany probe this Mono packages? http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/10:42
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arthurciao enrico10:44
Tzalidaranyone knows a good python ide?10:46
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arthurenrico u still there?10:46
cardadorTzalidar: anjuta?10:47
Tzalidarcardador: does it have python support?10:47
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TrevanGood afternoon.  I'm digging through the ubuntu-users archives while I ask this, but ... can anyone give me some pointers on diagnosing a boot problem with usb.rc?  My system just idles when it reaches that point on a clean install.10:48
cardadorTzalidar: i think so10:48
cardadorTzalidar: http://www.anjuta.org/wiki/10:49
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longsleepTzalidar, boa constructor10:50
lmlDo anybody know what has happened to the MythTV packages in universe?10:50
Tzalidarcardador: nice ;)10:50
Tzalidari like it10:50
Tzalidarlongsleep: boa constructir is more for gui designing, right?10:50
xespilceis there something like apt-get for ubuntu10:51
Tzalidaryup ;)10:51
longsleepTzalidar, well it has a debugger and such as well10:51
xespilceTzalidar, what is it called?10:51
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Tzalidarlongsleep: boa constructor looks cool ;)10:52
Tzalidarxespilce: you just use it as you would in debian10:53
Tzalidarxespilce: or you could use the very nice gui synaptic ;)10:53
Tzalidarlocated in computer->System configuration->synaptic10:53
longsleepTzalidar, also nice is Wing IDE (not free)10:53
longsleepTzalidar, and there is Komodo from activestate10:53
Tzalidarlongsleep, okay, boaconstructor looks very powerful ;)10:53
longsleepTzalidar, it is and it has becomde fairly stable the last months10:54
Tzalidari tried dr python10:54
Tzalidarbut it wouldn't start10:54
Tzalidarlongsleep, are you good at python?10:54
longsleepTzalidar, hehe i usually write working code *g*10:55
Tzalidarlongsleep, :)10:55
Tzalidarlongsleep, im reading diveintopython(online), and i think python is very cool10:55
longsleepindeed .. and its diveintopython is a good book10:56
Tzalidarlongsleep, wow boa constructor is really cool :)10:56
longsleepTzalidar, btw .. boa is written in python itself10:57
hazmateric is better ;-)10:57
hazmathi longsleep10:57
longsleephazmat, hey hazmat :)10:57
longsleephazmat, kicked your osx?10:57
Tzalidarlongsleep, yeah i know ;)10:58
hazmatlongsleep i've been dual booting osx/gentoo for a while.. kicked gentoo ;-)10:58
hazmati had to use osx at the conference to get the external monitor support going for presentations.10:58
longsleephazmat, ahh thats not workin on linux?10:58
Tzalidarwow, im hooked with boa ;)10:59
hazmatlongsleep not with powerbooks, not yet.. in the future it might work with xorg10:59
enricoarthur: ciao10:59
longsleephazmat, i hope we will get xorg in ubuntu soon10:59
enricoarthur: sorry, I was not looking at the client10:59
hazmati'm eager for the mono packages, and playing with dashboard/beagle10:59
TrevanDoes anyone here have experience in dealing with boot-up problems in usb.rc?  My system idles when I reach that point.10:59
longsleephazmat, there are mono packages11:00
arthurenrico do you seak italian?11:00
hazmatlongsleep not really11:00
hazmatlongsleep not for ppc11:00
longsleepahh ok11:00
longsleepthat might be11:00
longsleepbut look at deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./11:01
enricoarthur: in fact, I do :)11:01
hazmatand the beagle/dashboard stuff needs a kernel patch for inotify, and several packages from cvs (evolution-csharp, dbus-csharp)11:01
arthurfor me it's just the same11:01
hazmatTzalidar, the best free ide for python imo.. http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html11:01
hazmatTzalidar, its written in pyqt11:02
arthurtrying ubunto since a couple of weeks and I'm excited about it11:02
lmlI want to install Mplayer and MythTV, what is the best way to do this on Ubuntu?11:03
hazmatlongsleep those are binary only packages, i talked tseng bout it yesterday.11:03
arthurenrico sei ancora li?,''''11:03
Tzalidarhazmat: sleek interface11:04
longsleephazmat, they are working nice on i38611:04
hazmatTzalidar, mondo functionality.. class diagrams, svn integration, qt-designer, gui unit tester, etc, etc. ;-)11:04
enricoarthur: Yes, but this is not an italian speaking channel11:04
Zombbug report from a friend - there are no good development tools in Ubuntu (he wants an IDE)11:04
hazmatthe ui is cluttered though11:04
Zombthe most recommended ANJUTA is not there11:04
hazmatZomb, its in universe11:05
arthurI know I don'y want to be banned11:05
TzalidarZomb, anjuta is on the cd11:05
cardadorZomb: i am using it now!11:05
ZombTzalidar: not the the one that we downloaded 2..3 weeks ago, and apparently not in the archive11:05
Zombcardador: his apt-get said - no such package!11:05
TzalidarZomb, strange11:05
arthurNot sure how all this irc thing works to be honest11:06
cardadorZomb: you need to add universe to sources.list11:06
Tzalidarhazmat, it looks like THE ide for qt/python development ;)11:06
Zombcardador: but it is infinite!11:06
Zombwhat is universe?11:06
Tzalidarhazmat, although right now i am a gtk person :)11:07
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arthurenrico: how many ungoing chat do you have on? :-)11:07
cardadorZomb: in synaptic go to settings>repositories11:07
hazmatTzalidar, you can do non qt development with it as well... its just better integrated for it... 11:07
hazmatTzalidar, in that case there is a nice commercial ide.. wingide.com11:07
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Zombcardador: that it is not documented well. I cannot see any hint on the web pages11:07
cardadorZomb: then put a tick on a line that has main restricted universe 11:07
cardadorZomb: then put a tick on a line that has "main restricted universe" 11:08
Zombtells how crap it is to get Debian package but no mention of any other "compatible" sources11:08
enricoarthur: quite a while, plus some important mail to send =:-|11:08
Tzalidarhazmat, yeah i know11:08
enricoarthur: can I do something for you?11:08
Zombcardador: which line? where?11:08
Tzalidarhazmat, what are your opinions on qt versus gtk11:08
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cardadorZomb: are you on settings->repositories11:09
Tzalidarhazmat, im don't know that much about licensing11:09
arthurenrico: are you familiar with airport?11:09
Zombcardador: I am not there, it was support via telephone. He did not find it. So I must assume that it is hidden well enough.11:09
enricoarthur: No, I'm not a MAC user11:10
arthurmay be somebody on this chat is... :-)11:10
cardadorZomb: go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic11:10
enricoarthur: and I seldom use wireless on a PC anyway11:10
enricoarthur: I'm pretty sure plenty of people here use MACs11:10
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Tzalidarhmm, why did they make boa not use the system gtk theme?11:10
arthurenrico: I guess that's the end of he story than, thankkkks 11:11
enricoarthur: sorry for not having been too helpful.  Toc Toc?  MAC users around?11:11
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arthurAnybody out here that owns a mac?11:11
arthurA mac with airport11:11
djtanseyanyone here know how to access cups admin though localhost:631? (reenabling it)11:12
Zombcardador: he says he cannot see anything called universe11:13
Tzalidarnano /etc/apt/sources.list11:13
ZombTzalidar: haha, and then?11:13
Tzalidardeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe11:14
Tzalidardeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe11:14
Tzalidarmake sure that you have those two lines11:14
Tzalidarthen apt-get update11:14
ZombTzalidar: is it in the synaptics menu somewhere or not?11:14
Zombshould I really tell him that?11:14
Zombis it on some web page to copy&paste?11:14
TzalidarZomb: yes11:14
arthurtzalidar: sudo nano /etc/apt/sourccccccccccccccces.,list to modify parameters11:14
ZombTzalidar: he says no11:14
Tzalidarlisten to arthur ;)11:14
Zombhe opened the package sources menu in synaptics and there is no such thing11:14
Tzalidarsudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list11:15
hazmatTzalidar, for cross platform, devel i prefer wx. gtk and qt have better object models, qt has the nicer object model imo. gtk works well for linux and windows apps, programming gtk in c is painful imho. license wise, you can use qt for osx and linux apps for free, it has nice tool support (kdevelop/qt-linguist/qt-designer).. gtk has glade, but part of thats style preference for auto generated code vs. loading ui models at runtime.11:15
Tzalidar(oon the command line11:15
tortoise__djtansey:edit the permissions in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf 11:15
spivZomb: The lines needed in /etc/apt/sources.list should already be there, just commented out.  He needs tuo uncomment them, and update his package list.11:15
Zombpeople, come one, it is not about editing stuff11:15
djtanseytortoise: i have looked at cupsd.conf -- do you know where? 11:15
ZombNOT EDIT11:15
lmlWhat is the easiest way to get Mplayer and MythTV under Ubuntu?11:15
Zombhe wants to click11:15
Tzalidarhazmat, thanks for the informant awnser ;)11:15
cardadorZomb: do you know what is synaptic??11:15
Zombcardador: ?? I just said, he opened it but there is nothign about "Universe"11:16
cardadorZomb: open synaptic, then on its menu, go to settings11:16
cardadorZomb: then, repositories11:16
cardadorthen uncomment the 4th line and comment the 2nd11:16
cardadorZomb: press ok, then press reload11:17
Zombhe says he found the one line with "restricted"11:17
ZombI told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line11:17
Zombbut there was nothing with universe11:18
Tzalidarhazmat, now im just goofing around with some ide instead of learning myself python :)11:18
Tzalidarhazmat, but i guess that's me ;)11:18
cardadorZomb: just put a tick on the 4th line!11:18
Tzalidari love playing around with different applications11:18
cardadorZomb: it has universe11:18
WW_Zomb: Take a look at the first three steps here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto11:18
Zombcardador: he says there was nothing with universe and I believe him. Basta.11:19
arthurTzalidar: that's an excellent recipiee for disater :-)11:19
Tzalidaryeah ;)11:19
hazmatTzalidar, if you want just get to work on learning the language, use emacs or vim ;-)  and read the language tutorial on python.org11:19
Tzalidarim reading diveintopython.org right now11:19
cardadorZomb: strange, but just tell him to write "universe" after "main restricted"11:19
arthurtzalidar: is it good?,'11:19
Zombcardador: <Zomb> I told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line11:20
Zomband also universe, of course11:20
Tzalidararthur, yeah11:20
spivZomb: You should've said ;)11:20
cardadorZomb: so its all good now11:20
arthurtzalidar: what is it for?11:20
Tzalidararthur, diveintopython ?11:21
Tzalidarit is for learning python :)11:21
arthuronce you know python? :-)11:22
Tzalidari dunno11:22
Tzalidari think that the book has a quite high level11:22
arthurwish we could make some money with all this knowledge :-(11:22
Tzalidaralthough i have not programmed much except some php before, i think that i understand the book somewhat11:22
spivdiveintopython is more-or-less aimed at people who already know how to program, but in other launguages.11:22
arthurspiv: thanks11:23
Tzalidarspiv: can you recommend a python tutorial for n00bs?11:23
TrevanThat'd be "if I recall correctly" I think.11:23
Tzalidarokay ;)11:23
TrevanDoes anyone know either (a) where a buildist might be describing the differences between the different daily ISOs, or (b) if the more recent dailies have a newer kernel than the main release?11:24
TrevanI'm sort of swinging at a USB problem with a baseball bat, here.11:24
coeTzalidar, http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ "how to think like a computer scientist"11:25
coeTzalidar, That's a good Python tutorial for nonprogrammers11:26
Tzalidarcoe: thanks :)11:26
coeTzalidar, Or this one http://honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/11:27
Tzalidarcoe, are you good at python?11:28
coeTzalidar, But the first one is better IMO11:28
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Tzalidaralthough everyone say that diveintopython is for people who already know programming11:28
coeTzalidar, I'm a beginner too.. Been playing with for a couple of months11:28
Tzalidaror perhaps not everyone (now im sounding like a 3year old ;)11:29
Tzalidari think it is quite good11:29
Tzalidarcoe, i wanna learn python so i can do some dev to make linux easier for people11:29
Tzalidarthat sounds really clichee ;)11:29
coeTzalidar, Python is very good for "small" projects like that, assuming that people have Python installed of course11:30
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Tzalidarcoe, what ide do you use?11:31
coeTzalidar, but most distros come with python so that usually not a problem11:31
Tzalidarpython has really become like, a de facto standard linux language11:31
coeTzalidar, I just Komodo, in both Windows and Linux. It's not free though11:31
lmlWhat is the best way to get Mplayer under Ubuntu?11:32
spivTzalidar: I hear thinkcspy.org is good ("Thinking like a Computer Scientist in Python").  The tutorial at docs.python.org is also good, if small.11:32
spivTzalidar: Oops, I see someone already gave a working link to thinkcspy to you already :)11:33
coeTzalidar, Komodo can also do Perl, PHP and TCL http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/11:33
Tzalidarspiv, yeah :) thanks anyway though ;)11:33
Tzalidardamn, i need to decide on a ide and then start learning ;)11:33
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Tzalidarright now i used jEdit11:33
Tzalidarbut i dont really like the interface11:34
Tzalidarthis is what i love with open source11:34
Tzalidarwe have so many applications accomplishing almost the same thing11:34
stianhcrappy interface?11:34
Tzalidarthat means that you can choose an application that suits you 11:34
Tzalidarnot 'crappy'11:34
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Tzalidarbut its11:34
Tzalidarits not fun ;)11:34
stianhhehe :P11:35
spivTzalidar: Also, on paper, I've heard that O'Reilly's _Learning Python_ is good, and the _Python Cookbook_ is pretty good too -- it has lots of discussion.  That involves spending money and reading dead trees, though :)11:35
stianhbut true, coding should be fun :)11:35
Tzalidaror maybe it's me who havent taken the time to customize it11:35
coeTzalidar, There's a 30 day trail of komodo. You could also use Kdevelop11:35
darkstarcan anyone tell me how to enable the taps on a synaptic touchpad?11:35
spivTzalidar: Personally, I use vim as my IDE, but it's a steep learning cuve :)11:35
Tzalidarspiv: :D11:35
Tzalidarheh ;)11:35
Tzalidardarn now i need to make up my mind ;)11:37
coespiv, Learning Python by O'Reilly is a good book, but it assumes that you have at least some programming experince11:37
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paxetilwhat's the difference between main, restricted and universe _11:38
Tzalidarwell ill go with anjuta11:38
Tzalidarfor now ;)11:38
Tzalidarand worry about ide later11:38
spivpaxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view11:39
coeHas anyone tried the new Sun Java 1.5 yet? I hear there's speed improvements but haven't tried it yet.11:42
Tzalidarcoe: i've tried it ;)11:42
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Tzalidarcoe: but i havent used it that much11:42
paxetilif i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?11:42
jazzkahi gays!11:42
cardadorTzalidar: anjuta integrates well with glade11:42
jazzkaI've found a bug!11:42
Tzalidarcardador: perfect! :) that means easy gui designing ;)11:42
stianhjazzka, "hi gays!"?11:43
paxetilbecause programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe11:43
Tzalidaralthough i think that java apps startup faster with 1.511:43
Tzalidarbut i havent used either it or 1.4 that much11:43
cardadorTzalidar: theres even an "edit application gui" on anjuta menu that leads to glade11:43
jazzkastianh, I dont usually speak enlgish, so maybe there is some errors...11:43
Tzalidarcardador, cool! :)11:43
coeTzalidar, Better try it tomorrow :)11:43
jazzkaby default, gcc is not in the $PATH11:43
Tzalidarcoe :)11:43
stianhjazzka, ok sorry. was just a bit funny :)11:43
cardadorjazzka: try to install it from synaptic11:44
jazzkaapt says that gcc is installed, and also does synaptic11:44
jazzkawhat can I do?11:44
Tzalidarwell, time to get some sleep11:45
Tzalidargodnight everybody!11:45
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paxetilif i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?11:46
hellohey, is anything going to be done about the screwed up icons in the industrial theme?11:46
paxetilbecause programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe11:46
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paxetilanyone ?11:47
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darkstaranybody know about the touchpad thing?11:49
hellohttp://img24.exs.cx/img24/3586/icon-emblem-bug.png here's what I'm talking about.11:50
helloThis happens in Debian as well11:50
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fughidabowitwewt - i got ubuntu setup finally.. :)   can someone help me fix the bootloader for windows?11:53
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tckim trying to mount a usb key ; not having much luck!11:57
tck/dev/sda isn't availale, how does ubuntu handle it11:57
Blissextck: in theory it should be fully automatic.11:58
Blissextck: first check what 'lsusb' says to make sure the device is recognized.11:59
Blissextck: then check 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' to see if it is there at all.11:59
tckltux@pluto ~ $ lsusb11:59
tckBus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey11:59
tckBus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:000011:59
tckBus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:000011:59
tcktux@pluto ~ $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi11:59
tckAttached devices:11:59

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