[12:00] <Python2121> |trey|, it says premission denied even as sudo
[12:00] <ions|ubuntu> thanks for all your help |trey| !  
[12:00] <ions|ubuntu> later guys
[12:00] <|trey|> anders: I don't see it  :/
[12:01] <anders> |trey|: must be there since it's named xxxx-ubuntu ?
[12:01] <|trey|> Python2121: hmm... lsmod | grep "audio"  
[12:01] <|trey|> tell me what that says
[12:02] <Python2121> nothing came up
[12:02] <|trey|> anders: I guess dude, but I just looked in all the pools, and don't see it...
[12:02] <|trey|> Python2121: you have a sound card right?
[12:02] <Python2121> yeah
[12:02] <asdf_46> Python2121, what kind of card do you have?
[12:02] <Python2121> its a dell d600 laptop
[12:03] <Python2121> i dont know what those have but id guess some intel thing
[12:03] <asdf_46> Python2121, how old is it?
[12:03] <anders> |trey|: ok..
[12:03] <_Hiro_> when I run a mono app as normal user it takes up 99.9 cpu and doesn't continue, when I run the mono app as root it starts fine, what could be wrong?
[12:03] <Python2121> 1 month
[12:03] <|trey|> asdf_46: lsmod is supposed to say if the hardware is detected... if its not there, thats a bad thing...
[12:04] <|trey|> _Hiro_: root's nice
[12:04] <riley> when using gunzip to uncompress a file, what does the error message "unexpected end of file" mean?
[12:04] <|trey|> riley: it means it wasn't done...
[12:04] <asdf_46> Python2121, look for the snd-i810 module
[12:04] <agraupe> so far I really like ubuntu...
[12:04] <Python2121> SIGMATEL STAC 9750 AC97
[12:05] <agraupe> I think this very well might become my distro of choice
[12:05] <Python2121> hmm
[12:05] <Python2121> look online?
[12:05] <Python2121> or in apt get
[12:05] <riley> |trey|: well how do i get the extraction to work?
[12:05] <supertux_> acpi blows
[12:05] <|trey|> agraupe: wait till Hoary till you make your dicision, and even after then, keep checking back to see the progress  :)
[12:05] <credmp> the snd-i810 module is in the normal kernel sources
[12:06] <asdf_46> Python2121, try looking on www.alsa-project.org
[12:06] <Python2121> ok
[12:06] <supertux_> twice in a row on boot up it hangs my machine
[12:06] <|trey|> riley: file type, tar.gz? tgz? gz?
[12:06] <supertux_> now this stupid turning off my hard drive deal again
[12:06] <msofer> hi again ... any wisdom about installing from HD (machine without CD)
[12:07] <|trey|> msofer: no netinst
[12:07] <supertux_> hmmmm i guess its not acpi since i killed it and it still happens
[12:07] <Python2121> if its in the kernel sources shouldn't it pick it up automatically?
[12:07] <|trey|> even if there were, most are too big now... you should invest in cdrom drives...
[12:08] <|trey|> Python2121: Nvidia is closed source
[12:08] <credmp> brb switching nv driver
[12:08] <supertux_> i wonder if it is possible my hard drive is dieing?
[12:08] <Python2121> its intel
[12:08] <|trey|> eh, then yeah
[12:08] <Python2121> wait
[12:08] <Python2121> uh
[12:09] <defendguin> god damn
[12:09] <|trey|> if you did something wrong... change priority level of debconf (dpkg-reconfigure it) and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:09] <Python2121> is there a way i get can the system to load the proper module?
[12:10] <|trey|> Python2121: Discover is supposed to, but failed it would seem...
[12:11] <Python2121> heres the thing
[12:11] <Python2121> to get it to boot i think i downloaded some new alsa something
[12:11] <tortoise__> does anyone know how to add a forth option to the log out dialogue, say hibernate for example??
[12:11] <Python2121> cause it was messing up when esound was loading
[12:12] <asdf_46> Python2121, so it was working?
[12:12] <Python2121> i dont know, i never got the system to boot into gnome
[12:12] <|trey|> Python2121: apt-get install libesd-alsa0
[12:12] <Python2121> but i do remember it was being seen
[12:12] <Python2121> ok
[12:13] <bagpuss> don't reconfigure debconf.  Just tell dpkg-reconfigure the priority to show: dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86
[12:13] <|trey|> Python2121: for sng, also modprobe snd-the_sound_module
[12:13] <Python2121> where can i find a list of modules?
[12:13] <defendguin> does anyone know about linux laptop power management?
[12:14] <bagpuss> it should show all questions anyway
[12:14] <|trey|> bagpuss: That works too  :)
[12:14] <bagpuss> reconfiguring debconf for a one-time deal is silly :)
[12:14] <asdf_46> defendguin, what are you tring to do with it?
[12:14] <defendguin> asdf_46, my laptop is getting a bad habbit of turning off its hard drive
[12:15] <defendguin> this really effects performance
[12:15] <asdf_46> defendguin, I think that may be a hdparm thing.
[12:15] <defendguin> and annoying to boot
[12:15] <defendguin> please explain
[12:15] <defendguin> it just started today
[12:15] <asdf_46> defendguin, use man hdparm I think it says something in there.
[12:15] <defendguin> lol
[12:16] <joshua> hi, how can I upgrade all upgradeable packages using only apt-get (not synaptic?)
[12:16] <asdf_46> defendguin, it might be the -B option
[12:17] <credmp> joshua, dist-upgrade
[12:17] <credmp> apt-get -h
[12:17] <joshua> credmp: wait: "dist-upgrade" or "apt-get -h" ?
[12:17] <goatboy> joshua: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:18] <credmp> joshua, what do you see when you do apt-get -h?
[12:18] <Python2121> hey guys maybe this will provide a little more info, if i run alsaconf it detects the card, i also recognize it now on insmod
[12:19] <Python2121> when it does alsa start it gives an error and then says its ready to be used but it doesn't show up on alsa mixer
[12:19] <Python2121> "alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found..."
[12:19] <asdf_46> Python2121, good luck with that.
[12:19] <Python2121> haha
[12:21] <asdf_46> Does anyone know how to make Ubuntu use local time instead of UTC?
[12:22] <steveod> edit /etc/default/rcS
[12:22] <WW_> asdf_46: Try right-clicking on the clock, and select  Preferences
[12:23] <defendguin> asdf_46, i think i got it thanks
[12:23] <defendguin> nope that didnt do it
[12:23] <defendguin> it keeps spinning down
[12:23] <joshua> c
[12:24] <_Hiro_> ok the mono problem can besolved by killing .wapi :)
[12:24] <defendguin> asdf_46, i just disabled power management
[12:24] <defendguin> i wonder if it will still stop
[12:25] <asdf_46> Thanks steveod and WW_ I used both answers.
[12:27] <Python2121> where is the default kernel source directory?
[12:28] <sn0wman> Python2121, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7
[12:29] <Python2121> thanks
[12:29] <monteiro> anyone knows anyone knows the directory where i should install the java plugin so firefox can use it ?
[12:30] <sn0wman> ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[12:31] <sn0wman> do this: ln -sf /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[12:31] <sn0wman> assuming you installed java in /usr/java
[12:34] <monteiro> sn0wman : thanx
[12:35] <sn0wman> np :)
[12:36] <monteiro> can i use another mirrors ?
[12:36] <monteiro> like debian mirrors ?
[12:36] <monteiro> because i wanted to install a game and stuff
[12:36] <mdz> carlos: ubuntu is just as easy to install under UML as Debian
[12:36] <|trey|> monteiro: if you use debian mirrors, exclude main
[12:37] <monteiro> exclude main ?
[12:37] <monteiro> exclude all ubuntu mirrors ?
[12:37] <carlos> mdz: I know how to do it with debootstrap, I'm trying to install it from the installer
[12:38] <carlos> I found a command you gave me some months ago, but it hangs:
[12:38] <carlos> linux initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=14000 root=/dev/ram0 mem=128M di-utils-reboot/halt=true ubda=gandalf.img eth0=tuntap,uml-monitor
[12:38] <carlos> Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd.
[12:38] <carlos> Trying to enable the frame buffer...
[12:38] <punkass_> monteiro: i think he meant exlude debian main..so it doesnt overwrite ubuntus packages
[12:38] <carlos> and the last line is repeated for ever
[12:39] <monteiro> punkass_ : i don't understand
[12:41] <punkass_> well: ubuntu has 3 groups of packages:  main, restricted, and universe
[12:41] <monteiro> yes
[12:41] <punkass_> as does debian,
[12:41] <punkass_> they just use different names
[12:41] <punkass_> well main is the same
[12:42] <punkass_> so if u and debain sources dont add the main source
[12:42] <punkass_> and = add
[12:42] <|trey|> Hmm, quesiton, what are the benifits of Syslogd and klogd over Metalog?
[12:43] <monteiro> punkass_ : but all mirrors have main 
[12:43] <firemouth> I am in need of some help getting a fresh install of Ubuntu to boot. Anyone willing to lend a hand?
[12:44] <|trey|> punkass_: the correct explaination is "main and universe contain all the packages from debian's main repository"
[12:44] <monteiro> punkass_ -> deb http://ftp.ua.pt/arch/debian stable main contrib non-free
[12:44] <|trey|> monteiro: s/stable/sid/     s/main//
[12:45] <monteiro> ?
[12:45] <punkass_> sorry yes...only have paying attention...working :)
[12:45] <|trey|> monteiro: you don't want main from Debian... it will conflict with packages Ubuntu provides...
[12:46] <punkass_> s/have/half
[12:46] <monteiro> i want some debian mirrors to download games :(
[12:46] <|trey|> monteiro: you end up quite a skrewed up system, not advisable...
[12:46] <|trey|> monteiro: bzflag is in universe, its my favorate game right now  :)
[12:47] <monteiro> u have the mirrors that came with the instalation ?
[12:47] <|trey|> s/end up/end up with/
[12:47] <|trey|> monteiro: yeah
[12:48] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main universe
[12:48] <|trey|> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main
[12:48] <monteiro> hehe
[12:48] <monteiro> i had that commented
[12:48] <monteiro> no i dont :)
[12:48] <|trey|> You can add "resticted" if you have proprietary drivers
[12:49] <|trey|> s/drivers/cards
[12:49] <|trey|> There is also multiverse, not sure what kinda packages go in there yet though...
[12:51] <punkass_> multiverse...lol...funny/cool name
[12:51] <|trey|> punkass_: the "funny/cool name" is very unclear to me right now  :/
[12:52] <|trey|> I guess its going to link to other repo's, that would appear to make sense...
[12:52] <punkass_> with a name like that it would yeah..
[12:53] <bulvine> hello all
[12:54] <|trey|> The announcement texts I read on the subject aren't clear, and I can find no other info  :(
[12:54] <|trey|> bulvine: high
[12:54] <bulvine> <--  just installed ubuntu
[12:55] <bulvine> <--- is new to Linux as well
[12:55] <|trey|> bulvine: cool, need help?
[12:55] <bulvine> ubuntu is basically a friendly version of Debian Correct?
[12:56] <|trey|> bulvine: basically, that is the aim, yes  :)
[12:56] <|trey|> bulvine: I like to state its kinda like Fedora user experience + Debian package management ... for me, perfection.
[12:57] <jba_> I don't want to sound like an luser, but the support faq didn't really tell me how to go about adding mp3 encoding capabilities in the ubuntu world
[12:57] <jba_> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[12:57] <bulvine> I tried debian about a year ago and it frustrated me away from Linux.  Now I have a Suse personal system and now I amd dual booting my main box with ubuntu
[12:58] <jba_> bulvine, trey got it spot on
[12:58] <firemouth> I cannot get a new install of Ubuntu to boot up. This PC would boot debian either. Think I need help with grub.
[12:58] <jba_> except for the mp3/dvd support
[12:58] <bulvine> but I did not see a prompt at boot for my XP install.  I sure hope its still there
[12:59] <firemouth> Never had a problem booting with Red Hat or Fedora though. 
[12:59] <bulvine> Linux doesnt have the DVD burning tools I need to do away with my XP install
[12:59] <swim> where is the source list file?
[01:00] <_Hiro_> in /etc/apt
[01:00] <mdz> bulvine: you need to press escape at boot to display the menu
[01:00] <swim> thx
[01:00] <jba_> _Hiro_, protagonist?
[01:00] <bulvine> yeah  I saw that,  wasn;t sure what that was but I figured that was what it was,  thanks
[01:00] <_Hiro_> nope :)
[01:00] <_Hiro_> never even read it
[01:01] <jba_> aah, i'm reading it at the moment, thought it was a coincidence
[01:01] <bulvine> is there a good usernet software for ubuntu
[01:01] <jba_> so can anyone help me find out where i can at least get mp3 encoding libs for ubuntu? I just bought a new ipod and want to rip my collection on my linux box
[01:01] <jba_> plese?
[01:02] <jba_> previously they were all ogg vorbis files
[01:02] <jdub> jba_: they're not available in main/universe
[01:02] <jdub> jba_: you'll have to find them in another repository
[01:02] <jdub> there might be one listed on the wiki
[01:02] <jdub> or in the faq
[01:02] <jba_> hey jdub, you're a fellow aussie aren't you?
[01:03] <jba_> didn't find one in the faq, gonna go search the wiki now
[01:03] <jdub> it's on the main page
[01:03] <jba_> as in jdub from planet.gnome
[01:03] <moyogo> bulvine: usernet? usenet like newgroups?
[01:03] <jba_> thanks dude
[01:04] <bulvine> yeah  newsgroups and bin decrypter built in
[01:04] <_Hiro_> jba http://www.rarewares.org/
[01:04] <moyogo> bulvine: hmmm you might want to try pan
[01:04] <_Hiro_> lame binaries
[01:04] <bulvine> I heard PAN was good but I couldnt get it installed in my SUSE install
[01:04] <moyogo> bulvine: maybe there's a good kde one then
[01:05] <jba_> jdub, as it turns out there are two faqs on the topic, it seems the second one is more informative
[01:07] <bulvine> here is a stupid question,  is Quake III free on Linux?   I have the windows version
[01:09] <credmp> the client is iirc
[01:09] <credmp> you just need to have the CD for the original windows version
[01:10] <bulvine> iirc?
[01:11] <moyogo> bulvine: you can download the binaries for free
[01:11] <moyogo> bulvine: but you'll need the cd to play
[01:11] <credmp> if i recall correctly... iirc
[01:12] <bulvine> iirc some kind of front end or something?
[01:12] <credmp> no.. it's an acronym
[01:12] <credmp> for
[01:12] <credmp> if i recall correctly
[01:17] <jono> hi all
[01:17] <jono> Kamion, ping
[01:17] <mdz> carlos: I did some work months ago to make d-i play nicely with UML, but I didn't keep up with their development and it stopped working again at some point
[01:18] <jono> are there plans to have a gui based installed in hoary, or will each installer remain d-i based?
[01:18] <carlos> mdz: ok, don't worry, thanks
[01:19] <neighborlee> how do I make a rescue disk
[01:21] <jono> neighborlee, what do you need to do?
[01:21] <neighborlee> jono: i'm prepping to reinstall XP ( ugh I know but no choice) so I need a way back into ubuntu...
[01:22] <bulvine> humm m  the only thing I can find is a purchase version to play quake on Linux.
[01:23] <jono> neighborlee, your ubuntu system wont boot?
[01:23] <neighborlee> jono: it wont after I install XP
[01:24] <neighborlee> jono: im in ubuntu right now but I dont know how to make a boot disk..which I need since ubuntu CD installer has no rescue mode that I can find
[01:24] <jono> neighborlee, ok, well Kamion showed me that you can use the ubuntu install disk and when you get to the partitioning stage, flick to another virtual termal (ctl-alt-f2) and then you can access a shell - while there you mount the partition, chroot it and you can access it
[01:25] <neighborlee> jono: ok thx
[01:25] <Tux234> Hey |trey| you there
[01:29] <Jisao> which partition do you mount, jono?
[01:30] <Tux234> nvm
[01:30] <Tux234> bbiab
[01:33] <jono> Jisao, mount /dev/disc0/part[n]  wherever, if I remember
[01:34] <Jisao> ok, tx jono
[01:34] <jono> Jisao, no probs dude :)
[01:36] <topgun601> how do i change window mangaers?
[01:38] <jacob> I never get any video when playing avi's using Totem. Anyone else know of this ?
[01:39] <jono> jacob, get totem-xine
[01:39] <jono> jacob, I think it is in universe though
[01:41] <jimerich> anyone here who can help with a routing question
[01:41] <[photon] > hey... have people had any success putting x.org in their installations?
[01:45] <|trey|> [photon] : wait until Hoary for xorg
[01:46] <|trey|> [photon] : it provides no noticeable benifits right now anyway...
[01:46] <jimerich> Anyone here able to HELP with a routing question?
[01:46] <|trey|> When compose is done... then it will be nice....
[01:46] <|trey|> jimerich: not if you don't ask the question, no
[01:47] <tom_> I cannot get java to work 
[01:47] <|trey|> tom_: no one can get java plugins to work with firefox.
[01:47] <tom_> Thank you
[01:48] <tom_> I laugh with relief
[01:48] <punkass_> does ubuntu have icewm in the reps?
[01:48] <tom_> and now I wait......
[01:48] <jimerich> I've installed software for my wireless but I'm having trouble with pinging in one direction
[01:48] <|trey|> punkass_: in universal probably
[01:48] <punkass_> ok...probably the best for an old 166 eh?
[01:48] <|trey|> jimerich: interface set to full deplex?
[01:48] <|trey|> duplex
[01:49] <jimerich> it's an internal USB
[01:49] <jimerich> how do I tell?
[01:49] <|trey|> punkass_: xfce4 and fluxbox are also good options.
[01:49] <|trey|> jimerich: not entirely sure... google knows though, I bet.
[01:49] <punkass_> ah didnt think that xfce4 was as light as icewm/fluxbox
[01:49] <|trey|> it is, plus it loads GTK apps a lot faster...
[01:50] <cardador> tom_: thats strange cause i allways get java working with firefox
[01:50] <jimerich> I can ping my AP but I can't ping my desktop, however my desktop can ping my WIFI machine
[01:50] <punkass_> cool...am i able to tell ubuntu to install that instead of gnome on install?
[01:50] <|trey|> cardador: Firefox preview release in Ubuntu right now does not work with Java plugin.
[01:51] <|trey|> cardador: its confirmed by many people...
[01:51] <Livewire> normal Mozilla is availaible for Ubuntu right?
[01:51] <jimerich> my firefox broke when I tried to install the recent FTP update
[01:51] <|trey|> punkass_: yes, but you have to edit d-i's config file.
[01:51] <|trey|> Livewire: yes
[01:51] <|trey|> and supported
[01:51] <punkass_> i can do that after i have booted up the cd?
[01:52] <cardador> i have java working with firefox
[01:52] <|trey|> punkass_: nope
[01:52] <cardador> maybe im lucky :)
[01:52] <|trey|> needs to be on the CD already...
[01:52] <punkass_> ah so i have to edit the iso
[01:53] <|trey|> cardador: go to games.yahoo.com/pl, log in, try to join a room
[01:54] <|trey|> Java works fine on some pages, others, not so much  :/
[01:54] <punkass_> or i guess i could do a base install then install Xfce and xfre86
[01:54] <punkass_> via apt-get
[01:54] <|trey|> punkass_: you need to select packages, hence you need the config file to do that...
[01:55] <punkass_> ok
[01:55] <cardador> |trey|: i dont have a login/pass :(
[01:55] <|trey|> cardador: then just take my word for it  :/
[01:55] <|trey|> How do you get away with not having a Yahoo account?
[01:55] <cardador> what do you mean?
[01:56] <|trey|> cardador: it was one of the first things I ever signed up for  :/
[01:56] <cardador> |trey|: what do i need an yahoo account for??
[01:56] <bagpuss> punkass: if you prefer, you can build the system you want once, then use the bootcd package to write it to a live CD that you can use to instal other systems
[01:57] <|trey|> free mail account for junk mail stuff... free games... many things they offer
[01:57] <|trey|> The largest portal on the internet afaik
[01:57] <cardador> |trey|: ever heard of gmail?
[01:57] <cardador> e can give you an account if you want
[01:57] <cardador> I*
[01:57] <|trey|> yeah, I have an account... thats for bulk mail I want though  :/
[01:58] <UbuLaptop> anyone willing to help me with a x-server problem?
[01:58] <|trey|> not if you don't ask it...
[02:00] <UbuLaptop> i just installed on my laptop and there is a fuzzy bar down the middle.  also a quater of the screen on the left is a duplicate screen so im seeing double
[02:00] <|trey|> UbuLaptop: bad resolution, color settings...
[02:01] <UbuLaptop> ok
[02:01] <UbuLaptop> try reso first?
[02:01] <jimerich> I'd guess it's related to a refresh rate, although I've never noticed that on a laptop
[02:02] <UbuLaptop> refresh is stuck at 60
[02:02] <jimerich> most LCD's have only one resolutions they work well at
[02:02] <jimerich> others tend to make letters and lines fuzzy
[02:02] <UbuLaptop> thanks for the tips ill play around
[02:03] <|trey|> both can be configured during install... linux vga=(something from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 that applies to you)
[02:03] <|trey|> About half way down, 10.a
[02:04] <jono> anyone know any cool hacks that could go into my new book?
[02:04] <jono> the book is Linux Desktop Hacks by O'Reilly
[02:04] <|trey|> linux vga=791 ... if that fails... linux vga=nofb
[02:04] <jono> we are interested in contributors adding some hacks
[02:05] <UbuntLaptop> any idea off hand what reso the installer uses?
[02:05] <|trey|> jono: the people who would be interested are in #ubuntu-devel, although thats maybe not a good place to ask...
[02:05] <|trey|> UbuntLaptop: whatever you tell it to...
[02:06] <UbuntLaptop> it hasnt asked for any reso
[02:07] <|trey|> But default isn't working  :/
[02:07] <jono> |trey|, cheers
[02:07] <UbuntLaptop> i mean the installing menu
[02:08] <Jisao> have you tried expert?
[02:08] <|trey|> no... when you typed "enter" you needed to add kernel parameter "linux vga=nofb", hit f3 I think for how
[02:08] <|trey|> Its like the first screen
[02:08] <UbuntLaptop> ok, thanks.
[02:09] <Tux234> Sweet Everything WORKS!!!!!
[02:09] <Tux234> I was just testing my internet connection
[02:09] <|trey|> Tux234: yay? why were you trying to send me files earlier without asking?
[02:10] <jeedee> Hey, anyone installed the radeon drivers on ubuntu? (To get good GL performances)
[02:10] <Tux234> oops I'm new to this IRC thing and I was tryin to in touch with you
[02:10] <Tux234> sorry
[02:10] <Tux234> I had a problem but I fixed it
[02:11] <Tux234> again sorry :( won't happen again
[02:11] <|trey|> You talk in channels enless you get permission to talk in private... I don't know you, don't assume we are friends...
[02:11] <Tux234> sorry :( :(
[02:11] <tom_> has anyone had xawtv work correctly, then only give a black picture and the picture sometimes only turns up in kaffeine?  Sound is always present and correct with the channel changes
[02:12] <|trey|> I will help with problems etc, and usually will say yes to other communication, but ask
[02:12] <|trey|> Kinda rude
[02:13] <Tux234> sorry :( :( 
[02:14] <jeedee> Anyone has a clue on how to install radeon drivers on ubuntu?
[02:14] <uxi9000> check out the binary howto in the wiki
[02:14] <Tux234> won't happen again
[02:16] <jeedee> thank you uxi9000
[02:17] <uxi9000> cool, they worked well for me. be warned that the screen resolution tool in the menu will no longer work.
[02:18] <Tux234> I don't think I was sending files though I thought i did a chat? but I guess iwas wrong :(
[02:18] <jeedee> Mmm it says that the restricted modules has unresolvable dependencies
[02:19] <jeedee> I did add all the repositories
[02:22] <jeedee> Maybe it's not yet stable on amd64
[02:22] <Tux234> Um does anybody happen to know where I can get plugins for Firefox
[02:22] <Tux234> like Flash java
[02:23] <uxi9000> plug-ins or extensions??
[02:23] <Tux234> plugins I think
[02:24] <Tux234> Mainly for Flash
[02:24] <uxi9000> jeedee what has unresolvable dependencdies  did you apt-get install the fglrx package??
[02:24] <uxi9000> Just click on a link in a page that is asking for flash and be redirected or go to macromedia and grab it.
[02:24] <jeedee> I tried to install the linux-restricted-modules first
[02:24] <jeedee> Then it gave me an error
[02:24] <Tux234> How about java?
[02:25] <jeedee> linux-restricted-modules-2.6-amd64-k8: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8 but it is not installable
[02:25] <jeedee> E: Broken packages
[02:25] <uxi9000> oh your using amd64 , there is a thread in the user mail list about the amd64 drivers, I dont think you can get it to work for ati yet.....
[02:25] <jeedee> ah bummer :(
[02:26] <jeedee> I wanted to try WineX4 (Cedega) but without decent GL drivers I think it's impossible :( Oh another issue, whenever I try to add new keyb languages (fr, canada) it just gives me an xkb error
[02:26] <uxi9000> wait for the ubuntu final, hopefully ati will get something together.  Hopefully i will become fulltime linux dependent because of ubuntu, that will mean future graphics cards will most likely be Nvidia 
[02:27] <jeedee> I see
[02:27] <jeedee> Do you think final will require a full reinstall?
[02:27] <smeggy> It won't.
[02:27] <uxi9000> No, they say you will be able to upgrade staight to the new files
[02:27] <uxi9000> Where in french canada do you live
[02:28] <steveod> it should be just like debian in that sense,
[02:28] <jeedee> Quebec
[02:28] <uxi9000> Quebec city?
[02:28] <jeedee> Yep
[02:28] <uxi9000> Vous etes une quebecois?
[02:28] <jeedee> Oui :)
[02:28] <uxi9000> je parle un peu
[02:28] <jeedee> Im trying to get this keyboard to work and it outputs an error
[02:28] <jeedee> Tu es bon :)
[02:28] <uxi9000> hmm, ,let me look
[02:28] <agraupe> tell me, what package would one apt-get to install new themes for gnome?
[02:28] <jeedee> Thank you
[02:30] <agraupe> jeedee: I took enough french in school to understand some things, but I'm useless at speaking (I live in Calgary)
[02:30] <jeedee> Cool :)
[02:31] <jeedee> Im coming back from archLinux and im trying to understand the debian package manager, it's really neat
[02:31] <linux_mafia> ahh oui, french, the language of love
[02:31] <uxi9000> jeedee, are you trying to write some documents?  you might be able to add accents in open office?  I have never tried.  I always add hotkeys for the commands
[02:31] <steveod> i use arch on my file server, it is quite nice
[02:31] <jeedee> That's right!
[02:31] <uxi9000> ever tried a french keyboard?
[02:31] <jeedee> Yea Im going to try, meanwhile I'd like to understand why it's not working. It did the same thing on many other distributions
[02:31] <theantix> has anyone here done a woody->warty transition?  just wondering what to look out for, if anything
[02:31] <jeedee> French keyboard is azerty :(
[02:32] <uxi9000> yeah i just tried and got the same errors...
[02:32] <uxi9000> post a question on users mail list....also i notice there was a link there to a french speaking ubuntu list...they may be able to help you 
[02:32] <agraupe> jeedee: I'm taking spanish now, so I dealt with accents a bit with linux.  there are a few lines to set in XF86Config
[02:32] <agraupe> jeedee: I could help you with accents
[02:33] <jeedee> Yea I know I could configure it this way but it would have been great if it really worked by the config tool
 Im coming back from archLinux .. may I ask why the switch? I installed ubuntu , but was considering arch
[02:33] <uxi9000> how do you launch webmin???
[02:34] <steveod> SamBozo: I switched as well, at least my desktop mostly because it has a nicer interface
[02:34] <Tux234> bbiab
[02:34] <jeedee> Well I love arch but for desktop use ubuntu allow me to avoid all the manual configuration (cd mounting/unmounting, soundcard, ect.)
[02:34] <whiprush> agraupe: try gnome-themes-extras
[02:34] <steveod> SamBozo, though you can setup everything yourself I guess and it would be the same
[02:34] <SamBozo> https://localhost:10000  uxi9000   I think
[02:35] <agraupe> jeedee: well, in some instances, you do need to go to command line (or at least edit a config file)
[02:35] <smeg> is there any documentation on how to switch window mangers?
[02:35] <agraupe> jeedee: for accents, I will walk you through it step by step
[02:35] <jeedee> Yea I am aware but well, I liked ubuntu ... I will keep arch for my server tho
[02:35] <SamBozo> 1st 2 items I went to get were xfce4 and bluefish <g>
[02:35] <jeedee> Oh I know how to deal with accents thank you :)
[02:36] <uxi9000> wow thats cool
[02:36] <SamBozo> just install the other desktop and gdm will have it as a menu oprion
[02:36] <uxi9000> what all does this thing do??
[02:36] <smeg> samnozo im trying to switch to fluxbox but apt-get install fluxbox will not work any sugestions?
[02:37] <SamBozo> what source location are you using?
[02:37] <agraupe> is gnome-theme-extras part of a package list which is not configured by default?
[02:37] <SamBozo> and what is the error
[02:37] <Zonko> Hello.
[02:37] <smeg> the ubuntu defaul
[02:37] <smeg> t
[02:37] <SamBozo> what is the error
[02:38] <smeg> E: coun't find pacage  fluxbox
[02:38] <smeg> *package
[02:39] <SamBozo> let me look
[02:39] <agraupe> also, if I uncomment sources in sources.list, and apt-get update, can I then recomment them to remove the additional packages (so I can keep a clean ubuntu system as much as possible)?
[02:39] <jeedee> Hey I think im going to go back to i386 ubuntu even if I have a amd64...only one question tho, any clue why my install cdrom wouldnt mount? (Even if I am in the install)
[02:40] <SamBozo> smeg in synaptic you will need to change repositorys to get it (I think
[02:40] <agraupe> or will I forever be doomed to the universal package list if I switch?
[02:40] <uxi9000> jeedee, did you notice a speed differenc with i686 ubuntu??
[02:40] <SamBozo> agraupe, I switched to get xfce4 and bluefish and then went back and so far all it well
[02:41] <jeedee> Don't know, the i386 wont let me install so it's hard to say
[02:41] <agraupe> I'm hoping that the ubuntu livecd will be on par or better than knoppix
[02:41] <agraupe> it would be great to have a livecd demonstrator and be able to install the same distro without any of the knoppix hdinstall drawbacks
[02:42] <smeg> SamBozo: i dont have a gui
[02:42] <jeedee> Oh great now my cd won't eject :o
[02:42] <agraupe> can I switch to a more restrictive list of repositories (I only want to use universal for packages that aren't anywhere else)
[02:42] <SamBozo> ??? smeg  no gui .. why do u want fluxbox?
[02:43] <SamBozo> what kind of install did u do to have no gui?
[02:43] <smeg> SamBozo: gnome keeps giveing me an error when i try to start it
[02:43] <SamBozo> is it an error from xf86 or gnome?
[02:44] <SamBozo> if it's an x error .. like the wrong card then flux box isn't going to help?
[02:44] <smeg> SamBozo: it comes up to the login prompt
[02:44] <smeg> but when i login it hangs 
[02:44] <SamBozo> hmm 
[02:44] <smeg> in the .xsession file i get /dev/dsp: no such device
[02:45] <SamBozo> that's just saying it's looking for the sound card
[02:45] <SamBozo> shouldn't stop it .. just delay it
[02:45] <smeg> how long of a delay?
[02:45] <smeg> iv given it like 10 min
[02:45] <Kamion> jono: pong
[02:45] <guitarbuddha> I have a quick question where can i get the kernel headers for 2.6.8.1
[02:45] <Kamion> 00:18 < jono> are there plans to have a gui based installed in hoary, or will each installer remain d-i based?
[02:45] <SamBozo> did u click on the ok
[02:46] <Kamion> jono: both at the same time, if I have anything to do with it
[02:46] <jono> Kamion, heya man :)
[02:46] <smeg> i did not see an ok 
[02:46] <jono> Kamion, it was great meeting you the other day
[02:46] <SamBozo> there is on on the error for /dev/dsp wondow
[02:46] <steveod> linux-kernel-headers-686 or -386
[02:46] <agraupe> couldn't find package gnome-theme-extras
[02:47] <jono> Kamion, it was a shame I couldnt stick around a bit longer - I was running around like a headless chicken - when you freelance you have a thousand bosses ;P
[02:47] <SamBozo> u click ok (get out of my face about it) and then it continues to boot
[02:47] <steveod> oh wait 2.6-686
[02:47] <agraupe> I have the universal sources uncommented and I did apt-get update
[02:47] <SamBozo> might just kit enter and it will go ahead
[02:47] <SamBozo> hit
[02:47] <agraupe> do I also need to do apt-get dist-update?
[02:47] <Kamion> jono: yeah, understood, will try to swing up to Brum sometime and meet up for a beer
[02:47] <smeg> WTF? it just came up
[02:47] <Kamion> sorry my visit had to be a bit truncated too, I'd've liked to stay for the day
[02:47] <jono> Kamion, yeah, sure :) I still need to buy you one
[02:48] <smeg> thanks
[02:48] <jono> Kamion,  no probs, you seema busy chap at the moment
[02:48] <guitarbuddha> I know I should be able to get the kernel source thru apt-get and have added just about every source still cannot find kernel headers for 2.6.8.1 ,anybody have a clue ,any help would be appreciated
[02:49] <steveod> apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-2.6-686
[02:49] <steveod> or 386
[02:49] <SamBozo> u do a search for kernel-headers   in synaptic?
[02:49] <guitarbuddha> yeah didnt pull it up 
[02:49] <Kamion> jono: hopefully workload'll drop a bit post-warty for a while
[02:49] <SamBozo> try just the one word    headers
[02:49] <SamBozo> lol
[02:50] <steveod> no kernel damn, just headers
[02:50] <guitarbuddha> steveod will those headers work with 2.6.8.1
[02:50] <steveod> guitarbuddha, just do linux-headers-2.6-386
[02:50] <steveod> guitarbuddha, yeah if you use these ones they will update everytime the kernel does
[02:50] <SamBozo> guitarbuddha, are you trying to satisfy vmware's request for headers?
[02:50] <guitarbuddha> yeah I am 
[02:51] <SamBozo> lol .. so am I .. now on day 3
[02:51] <guitarbuddha> lol
[02:51] <steveod> guitarbuddha, previously i put kernel, but they don't appear in the name just linux-headers
[02:51] <guitarbuddha> ahhh let me look 
[02:52] <SamBozo> this try I went to debians site and got the kernel-source-2.6.8-2.6.8
[02:52] <SamBozo> tar.gz
[02:52] <guitarbuddha> perfect steve they just named it different thanks alot 
[02:52] <agraupe> I can't install the gnome-theme-extras package... even in the universal repository it doesn't seem to exist
[02:53] <guitarbuddha> was giving me a major headache
[02:53] <Python2121> hey, quick question, im trying to build a driver for a sound card but it says that ; /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory.  Is there any way to get that directory? or is it located in a different place?
[02:53] <steveod> agraupe, is it gnome-themes-extras
[02:53] <SamBozo> now trying to compile it .. u have to use a deb kernel so it has some freaking cramfs patch in it so it can do a --initrd  option dueing the make-kpkg
[02:53] <SamBozo> during
[02:54] <jeedee> Hey, any workaround so I can run i386 binaries on my amd64 ubuntu?
[02:54] <guitarbuddha> sam just do the search as linux headers
[02:54] <steveod> jeedee: for 3d?
[02:54] <guitarbuddha> in synaptic
[02:54] <SamBozo> yea sell me the 64 I'll ship u my k7
[02:54] <Python2121> hehe
[02:54] <SamBozo> well it's wa a thought
[02:54] <jeedee> Wrong answer Sam :)
[02:55] <jeedee> For 3d and cedega
[02:55] <SamBozo> did I mention cheep?
[02:55] <SamBozo> dang it
[02:55] <steveod> jeedee: i saw something in the mailing list
[02:55] <guitarbuddha> thanks again
[02:55] <SamBozo> make[4] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `drivers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[02:56] <SamBozo> crap .. looks like this isn't gonna work either
[02:56] <SamBozo> I tried the headers guitarbuddha that failed also
[02:56] <guitarbuddha> really uh oh lol
[02:57] <Python2121> hmm so no one has any idea how to get the /usr/src/linuxkernelhere/modules/build directory?
[02:57] <SamBozo> said i needed something else .. that I know is there id u compile for ur self .. that's why I'm trying to do it that way
[02:57] <jeedee> And most of the time when you install an app by synaptic (like anjuta) does it add itself to the gnome menu?
[02:57] <guitarbuddha> I will try it here in a min
[02:57] <SamBozo> I'll cross my dflippers for u
[02:58] <guitarbuddha> thanx hehe
[02:58] <Telep> hmm
[02:58] <SamBozo> ..
[02:58] <steveod> jeedee: there is a complete howto on the mailing list with a script that fixes the gl files
[02:58] <jeedee> ok thank you
[02:58] <Telep> any idea how I can start an app (an SSH session in this case) using a different locale than the default?
[02:59] <Telep> I'm using utf-8 but need an ssh session with iso-8859-1
[02:59] <ionrock> I recompiled my kernel for a laptop and it was not able to find the root file system. I had thought this was because of not having an initrd image but I tried it with one but it was a no go. any ideas? The only thing I noticed was that the ubunut kernel didn't seem to find it either but used lvm to boot (at least that is what I think happened)
[02:59] <steveod> nice, just found out i have about 12 dell laptops at work that have recalled power supplies
[02:59] <Kamion> Telep: LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1 ssh
[02:59] <Kamion> Telep: you may also want to investigate luit to do actual encoding translation
[03:00] <jeedee> steveod : did you see anyone reporting an error with missing drivers on the i386 install cd? It wont find my ubuntu install cd and the console says missing drivers Yukon Ethernet ect
[03:00] <Telep> Kamion: hmm, that's how I thought it should work, but no :(
[03:00] <Kamion> Telep: make sure you don't have LC_ALL set then
[03:01] <Telep> in my .bashrc?
[03:01] <Telep> or somewhere else?
[03:01] <Telep> according to "locale" it is empty
[03:01] <steveod> jeedee: no i didn't see anything about that, not sure exactly what you mean though, it won't find your nic when you start the install? or it won't find the cd?
[03:02] <jeedee> Well so far the farthest I got is when it is searching for a ubuntu install cd
[03:04] <Se7h> i've just notice that flsh doesn't play the sound
[03:04] <Se7h> :|
[03:04] <steveod> jeedee: i had some problems with my install cd, due to the burn process not working out, but other than that i am not sure
[03:04] <Kamion> Telep: remember that ssh doesn't propagate the locale to the other side of the connection
[03:04] <jeedee> It worked on another computer with the same cd, I'll try other stuff :)
[03:04] <Kamion> Telep: if you want it set on the remote end, you'll have to do that by hand
[03:04] <swoon> I just installed ubuntu for amd64, I did not update off the internet yet, I installed and it started gnome but on my laptop I get problems with the screen right now it is only the center portion about 10 inches x 10 in...  
[03:05] <swoon> what should I do? update everything? or install the new nvidia driver?
[03:05] <swoon> in other distros this has also happened, and it seemed that installing the new driver fixed that problem...
[03:05] <appleworkitbaby> Does anyone know if Ubuntu Linux support Zoom Modems on PPC?
[03:05] <appleworkitbaby> USB ports...
[03:06] <Telep> Kamion: well it's just that this way has worked previously for the same server :)
[03:06] <Telep> previously = when I was using Gentoo on the same laptop
[03:06] <appleworkitbaby> YellowDog doesn't
[03:06] <agraupe> I am hearing system sounds, but I cannot hear my CD play in the CD Player application... what is likely the problem?
[03:07] <joem> agraupe, have the cd volume set proper?
[03:07] <ionrock> does anyone know if the ubuntu kernel has any of the software susupend stuff compiled in?
[03:07] <swoon> ... ?
[03:07] <monteiro> do i have any burning program in ubuntu ?
[03:08] <agraupe> joem: ah... that was it
[03:08] <appleworkitbaby> alrighty, I will just make the assumption that no one knows...:/
[03:08] <agraupe> joem: on previous distros I always used xmms to play them, which uses the PCM channel
[03:09] <swoon> can anyone help me?
[03:09] <agraupe> just out of curiosity, does ubuntu use OSS or ALSA by default?
[03:10] <steveod> swoon: have you tried changing the resolution
[03:10] <steveod> alsa, it is part of kernel 2.6, oss is depreciated
[03:10] <Kamion> Telep: what's "this way"?
[03:10] <agraupe> but the sound mixer has an OSS option... which seems to be the default
[03:10] <joem> agraupe, uses alsa and oss emulation via alsa
[03:10] <agraupe> is this just alsa emulation?
[03:10] <agraupe> oss emulation, rather?
[03:11] <agraupe> how can I get it to use pure alsa?
[03:11] <laander> anyone had troubles when logging out or rebooting the X server hangs?
[03:11] <joem> don't use oss output for anything I guess
[03:12] <Se7h> how can i list all pids running ?
[03:12] <Kamion> Se7h: 'ps ax'
[03:12] <agraupe> joem: I have just muted all the OSS channels, which seems to be working
[03:12] <Se7h> thanks
[03:13] <joem> that won't help any, if something ever trys to use oss output for some reason, you won't hear it..just set output to alsa where the option is available
[03:14] <joem> in some cases, oss emulation is needed. Thats why it is there
[03:14] <joem> (yea, the mixer interface sucks though)
[03:16] <Telep> Kamion: Changing the encoding via the menu in Gnome-terminal works fine, so why wouldn't it work the way you suggested?
[03:16] <steveod> debate is making me nervous, 
[03:16] <steveod> guess not as many people are as concerned aroudn here
[03:17] <agraupe> totem doesn't seem to like .mov files...
[03:17] <agraupe> how do I add an application to the application menu?
[03:17] <joem> right click, add to menu, add launcher 
[03:18] <joem> agraupe, do you have the proper codecs installed?
[03:18] <agraupe> joem: I guess not...
[03:18] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=w32
[03:18] <agraupe> joem: what do  I right click?  right clicking the menu doesn't do anything
[03:19] <joem> right click inside of the menu, not on the actual menu name
[03:19] <joem> then under entire menu, there is an add launcher option
[03:23] <agraupe> joem: how would one install the codecs
[03:23] <steveod> agraupe: libquicktime0 or something like that
[03:24] <agraupe> steveod: is there a metapackage that would install a bunch of codecs?
[03:24] <steveod> gstreamer-plugins
[03:24] <guitarbuddha> ok i give up I installed the header files vmware still will not compile
[03:25] <guitarbuddha> also downloaded the kernel source and used the path to that get an error saying The path "/home/philip/linux-2.6.8.1/include" is an existing directory, but it
[03:25] <guitarbuddha> does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as
[03:25] <guitarbuddha> expected.
[03:25] <guitarbuddha> crap
[03:26] <steveod> can you just download vmware source? or do you purchase it
[03:26] <agraupe> hmm... xine installs with no problem and contains all the codecs...
[03:26] <punkass> would ubuntu be ok on a 333 with 32MB o ram?
[03:26] <guitarbuddha> yeah I bought it 
[03:27] <guitarbuddha> do you think compiling the source would work better?
[03:27] <steveod> oh, i was going to see if i could get it working or something since people have a lot of problems with it
[03:27] <j^> can i hit some counter for sucessfull ubuntu installations i do?
[03:28] <guitarbuddha> kind of out of options i suppose hmm
[03:29] <sn0wman> lol, bush just said "internets"
[03:29] <Telep> yup
[03:29] <steveod> sn0wman, i thought that was pretty funny myself
[03:32] <steveod> now bush is crying
[03:32] <sn0wman> throwing a fit
[03:32] <Telep> lol, Blair and Berlusconi sure are good examples :D
[03:33] <sn0wman> what was wrong with that woman?
[03:33] <Telep> maybe they can all go and retire together when Bush loses the elections...
[03:35] <mario> hello -R
[03:37] <joem> agraupe, it says on that wiki packe
[03:37] <joem> er page
[03:37] <SamBozo> guitarbuddha, I'm trying compiling the kernel .. again .. this time I'm not using the make oldconfig .. trying to keep what I had .. doing it from scratch this time ..
[03:38] <SamBozo> when u do it check out the man make-kpkg  the --initrd part
[03:39] <guitarbuddha> Im kind of a newbie with this compiling the kernel is abit above me
[03:40] <agraupe> joem: says what?
[03:40] <SamBozo> me to but I have no chouce
[03:40] <SamBozo> I want vmware
[03:41] <guitarbuddha> ok lol
[03:41] <mario> is possible install Ubuntu without a booteable cd-rom drive? my scsi cd-rom does not support boot.
[03:41] <agraupe> how can I install libdvdcss?  what repository do I need to add?
[03:42] <opi> mario: you could find floppy disk with kernel that supports your CDROM
[03:42] <opi> mario: and then try to boot it
[03:42] <mario> opi: this floppys in the Ubuntu homepage?
[03:42] <mario> in the CD?
[03:43] <opi> mario: don't know :(
[03:43] <mario> opi: ok, thanks
[03:43] <SamBozo> guitarbuddha, http://www.desktop-linux.net/howtos.htm  the http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm   page
[03:43] <smo> agraupe: I believe there's pointers in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/
[03:44] <SamBozo> agraupe, look on debians package page and do a search for ti
[03:44] <SamBozo> it
[03:45] <SamBozo> nevermind agraupe it ain't in there
[03:46] <joem> agraupe, that wiki page I linked you to tells you all of that
[03:46] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=w32
[03:47] <agraupe> thanks
[03:49] <agraupe> xine is now playing dvds
[03:51] <Phr0stByte> =)
[03:53] <j^> does Print take a screenshot for someone else here?
[03:54] <j^> it is set in the menu by default, but then pressing print nothing happens
[03:55] <agraupe> I don't mind mplayer, but I don't like totem... it doesn't play things
[03:55] <agraupe> in my experience
[03:55] <agraupe> it can't play .movs OR any part of my dvd
[03:55] <agraupe> but I've got xine, so I'm happy
[03:56] <joem> totem has a xine backend you know
[03:56] <mjr> I was about to echo that
[03:56] <defendguin> what is this ubuntu-desktop that just appeared in apt?
[03:56] <agraupe> joem: when I installed totem-xine, it couldn't do anything either
[03:57] <joem> defendguin, looks like a metapackage for the desktop
[03:57] <agraupe> oh, now it's working... before it just showed a blue screen
[03:58] <sn0wman> where can i get some babbling green eye-shades?
[03:58] <defendguin> joem, i guess ill install it
[03:58] <Telep> sn0wman: :D
[03:59] <rexiboy> hey guys
[03:59] <defendguin> i guess this ubuntu-desktop just makes sure that all the ubuntu-desktop applications are installed
[04:00] <joem> yea, thats what a metapkg is
[04:00] <rexiboy> how is the new amd64 iso with nvidia6800?
[04:00] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: You dont necasarily want them all
[04:00] <defendguin> joem sorry im not up on the lingo
[04:00] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: better to pick and choose
[04:00] <Telep> ooh, now Bush is an environmentalist
[04:00] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, well i cant install ubuntu-desktop without them all
[04:01] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: exactly - dont
[04:01] <defendguin> well id liek to have the complete ubuntu experience
[04:01] <Phr0stByte> heh
[04:01] <rexiboy> Telep, bush will be anything you want on election day :) we got election in Australia today...
[04:01] <Phr0stByte> then go for it
[04:02] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, is only like 5 more packages
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: example: I'll install pilot..............When I have one!
[04:03] <rexiboy> anyone here got amd64 and nvidia 6800? need to know how you went with the iso...
[04:03] <defendguin> i dont think pilot was on the list but i think evolution depends on pilot software
[04:04] <jono> anyone know how tie an ssh protocol to a nautilus winodw?
[04:04] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: nope
[04:04] <defendguin> jono, yeah
[04:04] <joem> jono, file-connect to server what your looking for?
[04:05] <jono> joem, I saw a while back someone use something like ssh:/jono@foo.com in a nautilus window some how
[04:05] <joem> jono, yea, you can connect to an ssh server via the connect to server dialogue
[04:05] <jono> ahh cool
[04:06] <steveod> talking about ssh, does anyone get an error when they try to connect via a file transfer program, from windows to ubuntu
[04:06] <clee> defendguin: so are you really dobey's nemesis?
[04:06] <defendguin> lool
[04:06] <defendguin> i knew someone would see that
[04:07] <defendguin> dobey likes to pick on me
[04:07] <defendguin> he has a bit of an abrasive personality and it just rubs me and a few other people the wrong way
[04:08] <clee> ah.
[04:08] <clee> well, he's an ass.
[04:08] <clee> and a dumb ass, at that.
[04:08] <defendguin> rexiboy, you just joined #giftui  ?
[04:08] <defendguin> clee, i like some of his work
[04:09] <defendguin> like epittence and the new background change app
[04:09] <rexiboy> defendguin, just checking out ...
[04:09] <defendguin> heh
[04:09] <rexiboy> how is gift going?
[04:09] <defendguin> looks like its doing fine
[04:10] <defendguin> still being activly developed
[04:10] <rexiboy> I like giFt, used it a little b 4
[04:10] <clee> giFT rocks.
[04:10] <defendguin> its nice and has its perks
[04:11] <defendguin> we (giftui) are going to try to have a really polished giFT frontend
[04:11] <sn0wman> bush is trying to tell us what rights we shouldn't care about
[04:11] <defendguin> hopefully a better setup util than running gift-setup
[04:11] <steveod> why shouldn't i be able to see everything you read?
[04:12] <rexiboy> what's the time frame?
[04:12] <defendguin> rexiboy, for the new setup?
[04:12] <polok> the tyranny and bollocks have gone on too long, vote 1 the marijuana party
[04:12] <agraupe> now I'm searching for the wmv codec, for xine.  any hints?
[04:12] <rexiboy> yes
[04:12] <joem> agraupe, same link as before
[04:12] <steveod> sn0wman; i think people should be imprisoned for anything, for any length of time, screw due process
[04:13] <joem> w32 codecs
[04:13] <steveod> sn0wman, of course i am not serious
[04:14] <SamBozo> make[4] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `drivers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[04:14] <SamBozo> make[3] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 2
[04:14] <SamBozo>    ^ damit
[04:14] <defendguin> rexiboy, hopefully the next few months
[04:14] <SamBozo> I guess I go back to sid if I ewant to run vmware ... gurrrrrrrrr
[04:15] <defendguin> working on a more than a few ui changes
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> Evening, guys!
[04:19] <rexiboy> so, no one here with amd64 and nvidia6800??
[04:19] <opi> Im plain with my Duron :)
[04:19] <opi> but I wish to have amd64 
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> Pentium 4 here
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> wish I had a 64
[04:20] <agraupe> the video part of the wmv works fine, but there is no audio (and I have played the file on another computer)
[04:20] <agraupe> and totem can play other videos with sound fine
[04:20] <sn0wman> hehe
[04:21] <rexiboy> :) I need to know how people went with that combination and the ubuntu64 iso, it gave me too many problems with x...:(
[04:21] <agraupe> what is wrong with it now?
[04:27] <Se7h> hey BaseX
[04:29] <BaseX> oi
[04:29] <opi> Oi
[04:29] <opi> BaseX: are you ska/oi lover, or just using Oi as a form of greetings? :)
[04:31] <BaseX> ppl use oi in my country to say hello
[04:31] <opi> yes, I know :)
[04:31] <BaseX> =)
[04:31] <opi> I do it too :P
[04:32] <Se7h> opi where'r u from ?
[04:32] <opi> Se7h: Poland
[04:32] <Se7h> nice
[04:32] <Se7h> we'r from portugal
[04:32] <opi> Se7h: unless we're invided, and I don't know, because Im ircing ;)
[04:32] <Se7h> ubuntu all arround it
[04:32] <Se7h> ;P
[04:32] <opi> true :)
[04:33] <opi> to be honest I still didn't install Ubuntu :P
[04:33] <opi> Im just a fan and since it's so close to Debain, I can't help newbies
[04:33] <BaseX> me neither
[04:34] <opi> I wish I could get two days to get rid Slackware out of my box
[04:34] <Se7h> y dont u ?
[04:34] <BaseX> you can try an ubuntu livecd before getting rid of slackware
[04:35] <opi> BaseX: If I dislike Ubuntu, I'll go back to Debian
[04:35] <opi> BaseX: I have to get rid Slackware anyhow
[04:35] <Se7h> opi believe me, u wont
[04:35] <Se7h> ;)
[04:35] <opi> Se7h: well, Im not a mutch Gnome lover
[04:35] <opi> Se7h: but Im going to try it
[04:35] <Se7h> well then
[04:35] <Se7h> install kde
[04:36] <Se7h> simple
[04:36] <opi> it's not the best idea to be closeminded while using Linux
[04:36] <PenguinBoy> Ubuntu was the easiest install I have ever seen!
[04:36] <Se7h> PenguinBoy ;)
[04:36] <opi> PenguinBoy: I don't care mutch for it easines, Im more poweruser IMHO :)
[04:36] <opi> but I like the idea of creating sutch distro
[04:36] <sn0wman> opi, are you a Gentoo user?
[04:37] <PenguinBoy> Debian i think
[04:37] <opi> sn0wman: no, I don't have time to be Gentoo user
[04:37] <sn0wman> hehe
[04:37] <PenguinBoy> i have never installed Gentoo
[04:37] <opi> sn0wman: but all our boxes at work runs Gentoo
[04:37] <Se7h> i heard something about gentoo not very plesant
[04:37] <opi> sn0wman: except for mine ;p
[04:37] <PenguinBoy> what was that Se7h
[04:37] <Se7h> cant remember
[04:37] <opi> Se7h: there's only one thing that I dislike with Gentoo
[04:37] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:38] <BaseX> lol
[04:38] <sn0wman> opi, :)  all the workstations at my university run gentoo.  everyone here is a gentoo fr33k.
[04:38] <opi> it takes so f*king long to bring some stuff
[04:38] <Se7h> true true
[04:38] <Se7h> i've tried 2times installing it
[04:38] <opi> sn0wman: we just installed a box (server) that runs my webbased application 
[04:38] <Se7h> for both
[04:38] <Se7h> i had problems at grub
[04:38] <Se7h> i gaved it up
[04:38] <opi> sn0wman: it's just a p2@350 
[04:39] <PenguinBoy> I tried installing it once but got confused
[04:39] <Se7h> when i get my 200gb back
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: I've ssh'ed to it, to fix something
[04:39] <Se7h> i'll try it one more time
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: but hey, no VIm
[04:39] <Se7h> since i already have grub
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: emerge vim
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: imagine, how long it take :/
[04:39] <opi> I need more rapid solution
[04:39] <sn0wman> opi, 10 mins?
[04:39] <Se7h> i suppose it'll go sugar
[04:39] <PenguinBoy> does anyone have any idea when Ubuntu is gonna include KDE?
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: more, iirc
[04:39] <opi> sn0wman: around 20 I guess
[04:40] <opi> but I like Gentoo overall
[04:40] <sn0wman> opi, yeah, portage is nice, but a sourced-based distro is a rediculous idea
[04:40] <opi> IF I don't have mantain it :)
[04:40] <BaseX> can't you get kde with "apt-get install kde" like debian?
[04:40] <Se7h> PenguinBoy read some forums about it
[04:40] <Se7h> but no very soon i suppose
[04:40] <opi> PenguinBoy: you know, Ubuntu is rather Gnome-centric
[04:41] <PenguinBoy> yes
[04:41] <opi> somone posted link with KDE resp
[04:41] <opi> search on mailing list archive or wiki
[04:41] <PenguinBoy> I am just a KDE fan.....but I will make the change...because I really really really like Ubuntu
[04:42] <opi> PenguinBoy: don't change your ways to software, change software :)
[04:42] <Se7h> right on opi
[04:42] <sn0wman> PenguinBoy, gnome is really easy to pick up especially the way it is all layed out by default in ubuntu
[04:42] <PenguinBoy> spoken like a try Linux aficianado!
[04:42] <Se7h> PenguinBoy LOLL
[04:42] <Se7h> true
[04:42] <Se7h> ;
[04:42] <PenguinBoy> true not try
[04:42] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:43] <Se7h> uh?
[04:43] <opi> wait, I need to reread my article
[04:46] <punkass> how much room does ubuntu need for an install?
[04:46] <PenguinBoy> not much
[04:46] <PenguinBoy> installs from one ISO
[04:46] <opi> punkass: full around 1.8gb
[04:46] <PenguinBoy> then downloads fromt he net
[04:46] <punkass> oh i have a 3gig drive on an old box
[04:46] <opi> punkass: custom installation (base files) around 300
[04:46] <|trey|> punkass: 1.5 GB... so recommended atleast 3 GB  :)
[04:47] <punkass> 32megs o ram = no enough?
[04:47] <punkass> s/no/not
[04:47] <punkass> going to try and run xfce
[04:47] <|trey|> punkass: not really... I wouldn't try... Debian yes, Ubuntu, no...
[04:48] <punkass> it has windows millenium on it right now :(
[04:48] <PenguinBoy> terible OS
[04:48] <|trey|> punkass: I like XFCE4 a lot... for such a lightwieght desktop, it has a lot of features...
[04:49] <roddimus> could domeone helpo me with something?
[04:49] <punkass> yes i know..its my pops old computer...all he does is email and surf
[04:49] <Se7h> PenguinBoy worse than that
[04:49] <|trey|> 4.2 is coming out soon, becoming more like everyone else though  :/    "XFCEMenu"  :/
[04:49] <PenguinBoy> lol Se7h
[04:49] <roddimus> I was trying to install the NVidia drivers and I broke xwindows
[04:49] <|trey|> Biggest problem with Fedora interface...
[04:49] <punkass> i was going to try vector linux with icewm
[04:49] <opi> punkass: go XFce :)
[04:50] <defendguin> eh
[04:50] <|trey|> opi: don't tell him that, that installs 3.x, that thing sucked
[04:50] <opi> oh
[04:50] <roddimus> it's pretty bothersome... so maybe someone could PM me, or something...
[04:50] <opi> don't go there
[04:50] <opi> roddimus: just say it here
[04:50] <punkass> |trey| the one in the ubuntu rep sucks?
[04:51] <opi> punkass: /s/sucks/old
[04:51] <punkass> yeah
[04:51] <|trey|> punkass: the xfce package does, xfce4 is nice though...
[04:51] <|trey|> fluxbox user before that... 
[04:51] <punkass> hmm maybe ill try debian unstable with xfce then
[04:51] <opi> |trey|: if they going to breake XFce, Im goign back to Fluxbox and Ion
[04:52] <roddimus> Er, the problem goes like this, I download the drivers, and try to install them, they say i need kernel-source, so i apt-get that, and nvidia-gdl or something, and switch the driver to say nvidia
[04:52] <|trey|> opi: Ubuntu's GNOME is fast enough on this box  :/
[04:52] <roddimus> and now it says i have stuff configures wrong, even thogh i set it back to nv
[04:53] <opi> give us some logs of XF
[04:53] <roddimus> the logs say nothing of interest
[04:53] <opi> strange
[04:53] <|trey|>  /var/log/XF[tab] 
[04:53] <roddimus> but, i couls pastebin the end i suppose
[04:53] <punkass> |trey| it looks like unstable has 4.0.6  is that new enough?
[04:54] <punkass> cuz i sure dont want to compile...it on the 166 lol
[04:54] <roddimus> well, actually i have x.org installed, but like i said it was working
[04:54] <|trey|> punkass: umm, yeah
[04:54] <|trey|> punkass: Its GTK  :/   loads libs faster etc...
[04:54] <roddimus> http://pastebin.com/108582
[04:54] <punkass> ok cool
[04:55] <|trey|> roddimus: xorg isn't supported currently...
[04:56] <roddimus> |trey|: but it seems like a problem that I could have run into with either x11(or whatever it's called) or x.org
[04:56] <roddimus> since i was just trying to get the nvidia drivers working
[04:59] <Se7h> xfree86
[04:59] <roddimus> that's right, thanks
[05:00] <Se7h> np
[05:02] <roddimus> where'd everyone go?
[05:02] <Se7h> dunno
[05:02] <Se7h> they'r there
[05:02] <Se7h> but silenced
[05:02] <Se7h> ;P
[05:03] <roddimus> hmm
[05:04] <roddimus> on a somewhat sepparate topic, x.org runs really incredably slow, why would it be included in the next realese?
[05:05] <Se7h> cant tell
[05:05] <Se7h> never used xorg
[05:05] <roddimus> talking about without the shadows and transparent windows, which bring me to a crawl
[05:05] <roddimus> i suppose
[05:07] <joem> roddimus, that sounds like a local problem
[05:09] <roddimus> joem: It ran really slow on my roommates computer as well, and the website where I was reading about something else, said that it ran slow for them
[05:09] <joem> probably a hardware/config issue
[05:11] <roddimus> I have decent enouph hardware I would think, 1.4 gh proccesor, geforce 2, 512 mb ram.
[05:11] <roddimus> I suppose I never got to try it with thenvidia drivers...
[05:11] <roddimus> maybe it would have ran fine them
[05:11] <roddimus> *then
[05:12] <mojo> hi all ppl
[05:12] <mojo> I need help
[05:13] <opi> go on
[05:13] <mojo> everytime start up, the DNS server entries of my eth1 changes, then I have to manually set DNS again
[05:13] <opi> hmm
[05:13] <mojo> do u know how to resolve this?
[05:13] <opi> you mean /etc/reslove.conf?
[05:13] <mojo> yes
[05:13] <mojo> it changes when start up
[05:13] <opi> do you have DHCP server?
[05:13] <mojo> yes
[05:13] <mojo> via the modem
[05:14] <mojo> ADSL modem
[05:14] <opi> so maybe DHCP server broadcast wrong DNS settings?
[05:14] <mojo> Windows has no problem
[05:14] <mojo> only on Ubuntu
[05:14] <opi> Im not an Windows user, but maybe they don't ask for DNS once they got it?
[05:15] <mojo> let me try to see the conf of my Modem
[05:15] <opi> maybe try to remove +w flag, so DHCP won't be able to overwrite it (harx0rs sloution;-)
[05:15] <mojo> ok
[05:16] <mojo> chmod -x /etc/resolve.conf?
[05:16] <mojo> chmod -ax /etc/resolve.conf?
[05:16] <opi> a-w
[05:16] <mojo> done
[05:16] <mojo> thx much
[05:17] <opi> see if it helps
[05:17] <mojo> let me restart
[05:18] <roddimus> I'm not gonna get any help am I?
[05:18] <opi> roddimus: too bad I don't own NV
[05:18] <opi> roddimus: I just downloaded binary drivers from nvidia.com
[05:18] <opi> roddimus: and it just worked
[05:19] <roddimus> opi: I'm not blaming you or anything
[05:19] <opi> roddimus: it's pitty we can't help
[05:19] <roddimus> opi: no problem, I don't knwo why it wouldn't work for me then
[05:19] <opi> computers are strange, sometimes
[05:20] <roddimus> yup yup
[05:22] <mojo> opi: not work '^'
[05:22] <mojo> opi: when start up : @dns-down ....[ok] 
[05:22] <mojo> opi: but once it get to time service to get time from Internet ...[fail] 
[05:23] <mojo> I need help
[05:23] <mojo> I dont know what tool to config the runlevels
[05:24] <crimsun> mojo: update-rc.d
[05:24] <mojo> thx
[05:26] <tck> the lower the runlevel the higher the priority?
[05:26] <mojo> ...not sure
[05:26] <mojo> I dun know how to use update-rc.d
[05:26] <mojo> are there any GUI?
[05:27] <mojo> are there GTk2 GUI like RH Service on Ubuntu?
[05:29] <defendguin> mojo, nope
[05:29] <mojo> ...then any ncurse or X11 front-end for runlevel service?
[05:30] <defendguin> mojo none that i know of
[05:30] <mojo> so there is no such GUI runelevel configurator in offcial GNOME tool?
[05:31] <defendguin> mojo, i think you might be able to find a apt repository of redhat config tools
[05:31] <mojo> let me try on Google.com
[05:34] <mojo> are there anyone doing Java here? I'm seeking for a example program on simple Car Sales system program like add in car details, view details, all data saved on .dat file
[05:36] <tck> has anyone set up their pppd with ubuntu?
[05:37] <Se7h> checking for deflate in -lz... no
[05:37] <Se7h> configure: error: zlib not found.
[05:37] <Se7h> isn't Zlibc enough ?
[05:39] <mdz> zlibc is something entirely different
[05:39] <mdz> you want zlib1g-dev
[05:40] <Se7h> aaahh
[05:40] <Se7h> so thats the prob
[05:40] <Se7h> ok thanks
[05:40] <tck> is there any frontend tool like say 'kppp' for gnome?
[05:41] <mojo> not really
[05:41] <mojo> just use the normal network tool
[05:41] <tck> i have my pppd configured
[05:42] <tck> im using it now
[05:42] <tck> but when i try to set  it up for a diff. connection wanting to use pap/chap 
[05:42] <Se7h> checking for deflate in -lz... no
[05:42] <Se7h> configure: error: zlib not found.
[05:42] <tck> i simply can't connect
[05:42] <Se7h> :|
[05:42] <tck> it fails at the last second
[05:44] <GOwin> hi. do you use ubuntu for a server or as a desktop os?
[05:44] <nasdaq4088> i subscribed to all of ubuntu's newsgroups, now i have 1400+ messages in my inbox - is this normal?
[05:44] <Se7h> GOwin u can use it for both
[05:44] <PenguinBoy> Desktop OS
[05:44] <PenguinBoy> personally
[05:44] <Se7h> but its designed for desktop
[05:45] <kaplanfx> torrent for live cd is getting decent speeds :)
[05:45] <Se7h> dam Zlib
[05:45] <kaplanfx> gotta love bittorrent
[05:46] <nasdaq4088> i subscribed to all of ubuntu's newsgroups, now i have 1400+ messages in my inbox - is this normal?
[05:46] <GOwin> i want to setup a ubuntu box that would allow me to dialin remotely . how do i do that? the box would have a dsl connection and an analog modem for dialing in.
[05:47] <Se7h> well...brb
[05:47] <Se7h> logout
[05:47] <normnmiles> nasdaq4088: the ubuntu newsgroups get a lot of traffice.  it's not unusual to get hundreds of messages a day.
[05:47] <cmaujean> anyone know about getting a larger the 640x480 screensize on a dell inspiron
[05:47] <cmaujean> s/the/then/
[05:48] <nasdaq4088> normnmiles i thought i would get 30 at most
[05:48] <nasdaq4088> per day
[05:48] <nasdaq4088> how many people are developing ubuntu?
[05:48] <normnmiles> not sure but i had to unsubscribe from the digest...i was getting about 20 digests a day
[05:49] <nasdaq4088> i just want the most important news: max 10 per day
[05:49] <nasdaq4088> developer news
[05:49] <nasdaq4088> meetings etc.
[05:50] <mdz> nasdaq4088: then subscribe to ubuntu-news
[05:50] <mdz> and ubuntu-announce
[05:50] <nasdaq4088> thanx mdz -> which category gives so many emails ? :)
[05:50] <mdz> nasdaq4088: ubuntu-users is the busiest list right now
[05:51] <nasdaq4088> mdz, how many are developing ubuntu - i thought 20 or so people.
[05:53] <mdz> nasdaq4088: about 10
[05:54] <nasdaq4088> so its messages from users ok thanx mdz
[05:55] <cmaujean> I'm getting 640x480 in a tiny window in the center of my much larger screen. I checked the ubuntu faqs and did some google searching, but dont see anything that applies 
[05:58] <normnmiles> cmaujean: what have you tried?
[06:01] <nasdaq4088> mdz - all the messages i have received, the content is useful, even the messages from users, can I find it by searching your web site?
[06:02] <warty> anyone mess with madwifi in ubuntu?
[06:02] <daniels> warty: using it now
[06:02] <normnmiles> nasdaq4088: archives here http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[06:03] <blahrus> daniels, there we go, now I wont look as lame :)
[06:03] <daniels> blahrus: heh
[06:03] <daniels> brb, getting a better network connection
[06:03] <blahrus> k
[06:03] <hazmat> hi folks, i just got locked out of my ubuntu install.. the  startup hangs on openldap.. is there some way i can work around that?
[06:04] <daniels> press ctrl-c
[06:04] <hazmat> i tried that but it didn't seem to have any effect. i'll try again
[06:06] <nasdaq4088> thank you normnmiles - i see that you can download the entire historical archive. It was very small the last time i looked, it has grown to a few megabytes! Ubuntu is developing fast
[06:06] <blahrus> kinda an out of the blue question, but why does ubuntu feel quicker than fedora and even gentoo, I am just running the live cd now, but it seems very smooth.
[06:11] <blahrus> daniels, what card are us using madwifi with and what all did you have to do to get it work?
[06:14] <hazmat> is there a way to specify the default run level when starting ubuntu?
[06:15] <hazmat> i installed openldap and the startup hangs
[06:15] <hazmat> someone suggested using control-c to abort/skip that step but it doesn't have any affect
[06:16] <hazmat> is it possible to boot from the install cd and get a shell environment?
[06:16] <crimsun> yes
[06:16] <crimsun> alt+F2
[06:16] <crimsun> press enter
[06:16] <crimsun> (busybox)
[06:21] <PenguinBoy> where can I get a listing of files that I can install through apt-get?
[06:22] <blahrus> just jump on synaptic
[06:23] <blahrus> under the computer menu
[06:23] <punkass> i know this isnt really an ubuntu question but will apt-get dist-upgrade take me from testing to unstable in debain?
[06:24] <blahrus> punkass: are u in debian or ubuntu and what do you have for your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <punkass> i just did an debain netinstall on an old machine i have here..
[06:24] <punkass> i know it defaults to testing
[06:24] <punkass> but i want to run unstable
[06:25] <punkass> i know i can just change all testing to unstable in sources.list then run apt-get update
[06:25] <blahrus> yea then do a dist-upgarde
[06:25] <punkass> but i was wondering what apt-get dist-upgrade did
[06:25] <punkass> oh so i have to change my sources list first then do dist-upgrade?
[06:26] <blahrus> then an apt-get update
[06:26] <blahrus> then an apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:27] <blahrus> i am going to get off line
[06:27] <punkass> ok thanks
[06:27] <blahrus> take care
[06:28] <tck> is there a tool similar to KDE's drakloop for gnome?
[06:40] <PenguinBoy> how do I apt-get RealPlayer?
[06:42] <jubalj> hi guys.. simple question, how can i get disable pcmcia for automatically starting up on my destkop on every boot - seeing as i dont need it?
[06:42] <jubalj> is update-rc.d pcmcia remove the right way to do it?
[06:43] <jdub> jubalj: apt-get remove --purge pcmcia-cs :-)
[06:43] <PandU> hi all I have a problem with chroot, I cannot start x apps. Unable to open display error
[06:43] <jubalj> jdub: thanks dude
[06:43] <jdub> PandU: your DISPLAY variable is probably not set
[06:44] <PandU> how do i set that
[06:44] <PandU> i tried exporting display no use
[06:44] <PandU> also tried xhost +
[06:46] <smo> I'd imagine you'd have to turn on X's networking side (most distros keep it off as a safe default), as the contents of /tmp/.X11-unix/ won't be available in the chroot?
[06:47] <PandU> Any body here used chroot to 32 bit environment and succeeded to run x apps
[06:47] <jdub> PandU: DISPLAY=:0 (or whatever your display is)
[06:48] <avih> hi. now using the ubuntu live cd as a guest on vmware with xp host. VERY nice. congrats :) extremely smooth :)
[06:49] <avih> even OOo opens when clicking the download link of a .doc file from yahoo mail :)
[06:49] <PandU> since i can only chroot as root i guss the DISPLAY will be :0
[06:50] <avih> oh... ssh to another system, and xterm& won't work (can't open display). how should i?
[06:50] <crimsun> ssh -X
[06:50] <avih> hmmm. thx. sec.
[06:51] <avih>  xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
[06:51] <avih> :(
[06:51] <avih> oh.. capitals :)
[06:51] <Se7h> erg
[06:52] <PandU> I may not be chrooting correctly, what should be the command if my 32bit sys is mounted in /mnt/hdc7
[06:52] <crimsun> install vmware-tools for better performance
[06:52] <avih> cool
[06:52] <crimsun> # chroot /mnt/hdc7 /bin/bash
[06:52] <avih> can i with the live cd? my screen performance is pretty good as is..
[06:52] <crimsun> avih: oh, i haven't tried w/ the livecd
[06:52] <avih> (-X worked like charm, thx)
[06:53] <tck> is there anyone to pause an apt-get download, or will it resume to the amount it's downloaded?
[06:53] <avih> this distro is so damn smooth. well integrated.. really nice
[06:53] <crimsun> tck: it resumes automatically when you restart apt-get
[06:53] <bborkk> Does anyone have ACPI (sleep/suspend) working properly with a Thinkpad?
[06:53] <tck> *anyway even
[06:53] <tck> nice ; thx
[06:54] <avih> crmsun: do u know if there any plans to include gcc et.al in ubuntu?
[06:54] <tck> if ones, does atp-get clean. it shall have to be restarted from scratch then?
[06:54] <PandU> i am using chroot /mnt/hdc7  thats should be alright, i thought you should pass paramiters for x display
[06:54] <crimsun> tck: yep
[06:54] <avih> i think newbs should be able to easily get exposed to ./configure when they're ready.
[06:54] <crimsun> tck: actually it may not clean .../partial
[06:54] <crimsun> tck: mdz would know :)
[06:55] <crimsun> avih: the warty preview iso doesn't install gcc-3.3 by default; dunno about the livecd
[06:55] <crimsun> avih: but-- you can easily apt-get install build-essential
[06:55] <crimsun> and that will install what's needed
[06:56] <avih> _I_ know, but newbs might now. and i think they should be able to get exposed when the time comes.. just mho though.
[06:56] <avih> might not*
[06:56] <PandU> jdub, how do i set my diplay correctly when chrooting ?
[06:57] <crimsun> avih: i dunno if a bug has been filed about that, or if it has been brought up on the mailing list or discussed in here
[06:58] <avih> crimsun: thx, i'll have a look around
[06:58] <tck> bborkk, i'm having trouble with that too an a compaq presario
[06:59] <avih> have a great day everyone. and congrats again :)
[06:59] <Tux234> Gotta a quick question
[07:00] <Tux234> Anyway to turn off the timer in Grub
[07:01] <bborkk> tck: seems like ACPI is loaded without error and can even detect when the screen is shut, but nothing ever powers down or goes into sleep mode.
[07:01] <PandU> can anybody help me set up my DISPLAY corrctly for 32 bit chroot
[07:01] <tck> bborkk, i get a fail message on boot
[07:01] <tck> for desktop and laptop
[07:02] <bborkk> tck: What desktop machine do you have?
[07:02] <jdub> PandU: you set DISPLAY, like i showed you above
[07:02] <tck> dell 4400
[07:02] <tck> *dimension
[07:02] <PandU> jdub, I did that no use
[07:02] <jdub> PandU: type:
[07:02] <bborkk> tck: Is that one of the new "Windows Media Center" things?
[07:02] <jdub> DISPLAY=:0 program
[07:02] <tck> nope
[07:03] <tck> its about 2 years ol
[07:03] <tck> *old
[07:03] <jdub> you may have to copy or hard link your .Xauthority file
[07:03] <andrewski> hi all!
[07:03] <bborkk> tck: I heard upgrading to 2.6.8.1-13 helps, but I haven't seen any difference yet.
[07:03] <tck> heres a strange thing
[07:04] <tck> my trash icon seems to have disappeared
[07:04] <tck> now everytime i log in, it gives an applet error
[07:05] <PandU> jdub, I tried this DISPLAY=:0 chroot /mnt/hdc7 and got same error unable to open display
[07:05] <PenguinBoy> night guys!
[07:05] <tck> saying : cannot monitor trash , or to that degree
[07:05] <bborkk> tck: I'd be worried if it could monitor something that wasn't there.
[07:05] <bborkk> tck: Did you actually use the trash?
[07:05] <mdz> nasdaq4088: I don't think the list archive has a search function, but it is indexed by search engines and gmane offers a search I believe
[07:05] <Tux234> Um does anybody know how to turn off the timer in Grub??
[07:05] <PandU> jdub, how do i know the current DISPLAY value
[07:06] <tck> yes
[07:06] <Tux234> How do you do it?
[07:06] <tck> before, then moved it down to beside where my clock is, then on reboot, vanished :)
[07:06] <jdub> PandU: it will be set in your active x session
[07:06] <jdub> PandU: echo $DISPLAY
[07:07] <Tux234> night evrybody 
[07:07] <PandU> jdub, yes it is :0 
[07:09] <bborkk> Does anyone have ACPI working at all with a laptop?  The hardware support page indicates power management should be working, but I've yet to hear of anyone with a Ubuntu laptop that sleeps properly.
[07:09] <mdz> works for me if I unload ehci-hcd first
[07:10] <bborkk> mdz: You're refering to ACPI?
[07:11] <tck> is there a tool similar to KDE's drakloop for gnome?
[07:11] <jdub> tck: 'drak'loop sounds like a mandrake tool
[07:11] <mdz> bborkk: S3
[07:11] <jdub> tck: you should probably describe what it does
[07:11] <tck> well 'mountloop' ;)
[07:11] <mdz> tck: if it does what it sounds like, nautilus/gnome-vfs has something similar
[07:12] <bborkk> mdz: I just starting using an IRC client three days ago... what is S3? :)
[07:12] <tck> it mounts directories using popular cryto
[07:12] <mdz> bborkk: S3 is an ACPI sleep state
[07:12] <jdub> tck: nup
[07:12] <jdub> tck: gnome doesn't, nor does ubuntu
[07:12] <tck> :/
[07:13] <tck> i can't believe its not butter!
[07:13] <bborkk> mdz: Thanks... I just started learning about ACPI three days ago, too.
[07:14] <joeyh> does ubuntu have a graphical boot splash? I don't remember seeing one
[07:14] <punkass> bborkk: i noticed my dell doesnt sleep either...the monitor power management works tho
[07:14] <whiprush> joeyh: not yet
[07:15] <jdub> hey joeyh 
[07:15] <joeyh> heya
[07:15] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, my power monitor works also, as does the lockout screen when I close my laptop.
[07:15] <jdub> no amount of mixer tweakage is working.
[07:16] <bborkk> mdz: So, basically turn off USB?
[07:16] <punkass> bborkk: yeah same for me...i ended up just telling it to shutdown when i close the lid
[07:17] <mdz> joeyh: no, not quite yet
[07:17] <mdz> bborkk: USB2.0
[07:17] <joeyh> was thinking about tossing something on a box I've set up
[07:17] <joeyh> bootsplash seems to be too annoying to bother with (kernel patch)
[07:19] <bborkk> mdz: I'll check this out.  Thanks.  What is the prefered way to let Ubuntu know which modules to load and unload given an event?  In this case, closing a laptop lid, but also including things such as detecting a wireless network.
[07:20] <bborkk> punkass: How did you configure screen close == shutdown?
[07:20] <punkass> if u goto /etc/acpi/event dir you will see a lid close call
[07:20] <mdz> bborkk: that's controlled by config files in /etc/acpi
[07:21] <mdz> joeyh: yeah, we're not going to use that implementation
[07:21] <punkass> i just pointed it to powerbtn.sh instead of lid.sh
[07:21] <joeyh> yeah, I know :-)
[07:22] <tck> has anyone set up a pppd connection requiring pap/chap?
[07:22] <punkass> bborkk: for the wifi thing..i ended up writing an little app to detect wifi networks
[07:23] <tck> i have a std. connection done, but when using pap/chap it seems to disconnect at the last sec.
[07:23] <bborkk> punkass: Mind sharing?  :)
[07:23] <hazmat> crimsun, thanks for the tip re boot cd, i got back into my unbuntu system.
[07:23] <punkass> sure: its a little rough..but it gets the job done :)
[07:24] <punkass> bborkk: http://punkass.bookerb.com/2stepdh/pyfi.tar.gz
[07:25] <punkass> you will need to edit the top of the .py file
[07:25] <punkass> and it has to be run as sudo
[07:25] <bborkk> punkass: Oh, right... I heard you mention this a couple of days ago.
[07:25] <punkass> i am in the process of trying to make it an applet
[07:26] <punkass> yeah a few people are using it..and it seems to work for them 
[07:26] <mdz> hazmat: that's what the (Recovery mode) boot menu option is for
[07:27] <hazmat> mdz, i just used a shell... mounted and removed the offending symlinks (slapd)
[07:27] <hazmat> mdz, what does recovery mode do?
[07:27] <defendguin> punkass i havent really tried it on any network besides my home one
[07:27] <mdz> tardmac: in'- a -isc/e
[07:27] <mdz> er
[07:27] <mdz> hazmat: it's a single-user boot
[07:28] <bborkk> punkass, mdz: I really like the idea of using Python to hold everything in Ubuntu together.  I've never done much shell scripting, so what would take me a couple of minutes to do in Python would probably take an hour in bash, for example.  Is there any move to Pythonizing all the scripts in Ubuntu?
[07:28] <mdz> bborkk: we are using Python for new things we write, but we are in no hurry to rewrite a lot of code which works and is maintained
[07:28] <punkass> defendguin: ok...well let me know how it goes..i have a it on a another laptop as well..and its workin so far :)
[07:28] <xespilce> pythonizing :'(
[07:29] <defendguin> im waiting to get to school to see 
[07:29] <bborkk> mdz: Makes sense.
[07:29] <bborkk> xespilce: ;^/
[07:29] <punkass> bborkk: im not sure, that is my first python/pygtk app i have done.
[07:29] <xespilce> bborkk, :)
[07:29] <xespilce> bborkk, 8-)
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[07:30] <avih> thx lol
[07:30] <punkass> :)
[07:31] <avih> hmmm, synaptic says gcc-3.3-base is installed. make is installed. gdb is installed. but i can't invoke gcc :( (using the live cd)
[07:31] <avih> is it really here?
[07:32] <xespilce> i had the same problem with gentoo 
[07:32] <avih> xespilce: regarding gcc?
[07:32] <xespilce> ya
[07:32] <avih> strange, ain't it?
[07:32] <xespilce> i had a bad library and i couldnt fix it
[07:33] <avih> btw, i now use the text-mode irc. pretty cool. reminds me of 10 yrs ago lol.
[07:33] <xespilce> i tried to bootstrap again ... env-update emerge the library ... but what can you do if it is broken
[07:33] <jdub> avih: gcc-3.3-base doesn't provide the gcc binary
[07:33] <bborkk> mdz: So, it looks like I need to modify /etc/acpi/lid.sh to unload and load ehci_hcd.  Why are some module names dash separated and some underscore separated?
[07:33] <avih> jdub: thx.
[07:34] <jdub> bborkk: they're not (look in /lib/modules), but you can use a dash or underscore and it will do the right thing
[07:35] <avih> jdub: do u know in what package gcc is?
[07:35] <jdub> gcc-3.3
[07:35] <punkass> bborkk: let me know how that goes...
[07:35] <avih> ok. thx
[07:36] <punkass> if thats the trick then id like to try it
[07:36] <bborkk> jdub: lsmod seems to list modules with underscores.
[07:36] <jdub> bborkk: the file names have underscores too
[07:36] <jdub> bborkk: but you can load with underscores or dashes
[07:37] <bborkk> punkass: Will do.  I just downloaded it.  Let me know if you're looking for help with it... I'd be interested.
[07:37] <avih> hmmm.. i just noticed emacs is installed. but there's no way to access it from the menues.... i wonder how many more 'gems' are installed. already found text-mode-irc and pick :)
[07:37] <bborkk> jdub: Thanks.
[07:37] <avih> pico*
[07:37] <punkass> bborkk: ah not that..i meant the power mang, stuff
[07:37] <avih> (live cd)
[07:38] <bborkk> punkass: Oh, sure thing.
[07:38] <punkass> thanks
[07:39] <kaplanfx> the live cd is pretty nice
[07:39] <avih> indeed
[07:39] <kaplanfx> I haven't used gnome in a long time, 2.8 is quite an improvement
[07:39] <avih> yup. pretty cool he? :)
[07:39] <avih> very smooth
[07:40] <kappy> heh, most of the apps I use are on this cd
[07:40] <avih> :)
[07:41] <bborkk> mdz & punkass: rmmod ehci_hcd didn't help with the sleep problem.
[07:42] <defendguin> bborkk, what sleep problem?
[07:43] <kaplanfx> avih: I dunno if its morphix or ubuntu, but it wouldn't work with nvidia primary driver, I had to use the nv driver
[07:43] <kaplanfx> other than that its great
[07:44] <avih> hmmm.. morphix worked fine for me as is. never installed the nv driver. it did work with knoppix though (nv compiled from source)
[07:44] <bborkk> defendguin: I can't get my laptop to sleep.  ACPI seems to load without errors and it can definitely detect when I close the screen (the lockout screen kicks in), but the fan never stops and the hard drive doesn't spin down.
[07:44] <punkass> kaplanfx: did u use the nivdia-glx package?
[07:44] <avih> yup
[07:44] <avih> had a warning or something. can't remember exactly. but it was managable
[07:45] <kaplanfx> punkass: I didn't do anything, in the ubuntu (morphix) live cd menu, I went into more options and choose 1280x1024 nvidia proprietary driver
[07:45] <punkass> kaplanfx: sorry came half way into the conversation
[07:45] <avih> but knoppix installed to the hd.. :/ :)
[07:45] <punkass> thought u had an install
[07:45] <kaplanfx> nope
[07:45] <kaplanfx> I use debian unstable as my main system anyhow
[07:45] <kaplanfx> I dunno if I want to move to ubuntu
[07:46] <kaplanfx> I'm checking it out to see if I will recommend it to friends that have been telling me they want to try linux
[07:46] <kaplanfx> so far so good
[07:46] <punkass> well i am using ubuntu..with a nvidia 5900
[07:46] <punkass> and dual monitors
[07:46] <kaplanfx> punkass: im sure an install works
[07:46] <avih> i'm on xp.. but i'll get there. in the meantime, i check on interesting releases with vmware (hopefully with qemu.. but it's a bit slow for anything more than technical demonstration)
[07:46] <punkass> yeah its fine
[07:46] <kaplanfx> punkass: just a live cd problem
[07:47] <punkass> yeah...i havnt played with the live cd yet
[07:47] <defendguin> bborkk, i was having the exact opposite problem
[07:47] <avih> i'm on the live cd now (vmware). very nice indeed.
[07:47] <defendguin> bborkk, have you tried hdparm?
[07:47] <bborkk> defendguin: In what way was your problem the opposite?
[07:47] <punkass> i thought hdparm was being called by one of the acpi scripts?
[07:48] <kaplanfx> packages are really up to date
[07:48] <defendguin> my hard drive with spin down every 15 seconds or so and then start back up
[07:48] <defendguin> this caused havoc with metacity and gtk
[07:48] <kappy> looks like its got firefox pr 1
[07:48] <avih> yup.
[07:48] <avih> and evo 2.0.1 :)
[07:48] <kappy> evolution 2.0.1
[07:48] <avih> lol
[07:48] <kappy> which I don't use anyhow
[07:48] <bborkk> defendguin: How did you fix it?
[07:49] <avih> yet, it's cool. esp. with gnome 2.8
[07:49] <kappy> I use kmail for my pop and gmail for my main account
[07:49] <defendguin> i set hdparm to never powerdown my drive
[07:49] <kappy> I don't use gnome generally, I usually use kde or xfce depending on the horsepower of the machine
[07:49] <bborkk> defendguin: I've never used hdparm... any quick suggestions?
[07:49] <kappy> so I don't know what to compare it to
[07:49] <defendguin> man hdparm
[07:50] <defendguin> i think hdparm -B is where you should be looking
[07:50] <avih> fluxbox for me on low-end machines. since theit "taskbar" got improved.. it's pretty usable.
[07:50] <bborkk> I'm doing that as we type.  Thanks.
[07:50] <kappy> yeah fluxbox is neat
[07:50] <avih> fluxbox ob qemu works pretty sweet.
[07:50] <defendguin> just remember the lower the number of your setting the more aggressive it will be at shutting down your hdd
[07:50] <avih> on*
[07:50] <kappy> I run it on an old p120 laptop 24mb ram I play around with sometimes
[07:50] <bborkk> avih: I've been using fluxbox for a while... pretty nice.  How did they improve the taskbar?
[07:50] <avih> lol
[07:51] <kappy> I like that black and red theme, I am blue green color blind so it really stands our for me
[07:51] <avih> the icons, putting apps on it, configuring it.. 
[07:51] <bborkk> defendguin: It looks like hdparm -B is for interfacing to APM.  Does it also work with ACPI?
[07:52] <kappy> screenshots like http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/ikaro_fluxbox3.jpg make fluxbox look great
[07:52] <kappy> but its quite a bit of config to get there
[07:52] <defendguin> bborkk, let me check
[07:52] <bborkk> avih: Oh, that's exactly what it needed.  I'll have to take a look at the latest version.
[07:53] <defendguin> bborkk, what about the S option?
[07:53] <avih> :)
[07:53] <kappy> avih, fluxbox is the best of the "lightweight" wm's
[07:54] <kappy> unless you consider xfce "lightweight"
[07:54] <smeggy> Nothing tied to GTK+ could be considered lightweight ;)
[07:54] <kappy> avih, try shift-pgup
[07:54] <avih> didn't work
[07:54] <kappy> smeggy, true that
[07:54] <kappy> avih, try hitting scroll lock and using the arrow keys
[07:55] <avih> hmmm, scrl-lock doesn't work (at least from vmware)
[07:55] <kappy> what client? bitchx?
[07:55] <avih> nevermind :) that's a cool irc client anyway lol eventhough i forgot all the shortcuts :)
[07:55] <jdub> smeggy, kappy: that's a generalisation - 'lightweight' doesn't mean anything until you define it.
[07:55] <bborkk> defendguin: Seems like the -S option is for general use, not for going to sleep.  Still, good to know about.
[07:56] <defendguin> sorry :(
[07:56] <smeggy> jdub, OK.. lets define lightweight as having minimal large dependencies ;)
[07:56] <kappy> jdub, yeah, but gtk is extra overhead for a slow system
[07:56] <avih> anyway, gotta go. have a great day everyone. and great distro :) l8r all
[07:56] <punkass> how is icewm?
[07:56] <jdub> smeggy: so if you're running a GTK+ only app, you don't have a lot of dependencies.
[07:56] <bborkk> I was just looking at the Fluxbox website and it mentions that Fluxbox has partial GNOME support.  What exactly does a statement like that mean?
[07:57] <smeggy> jdub, I'm bad at arguments.. go away :P
[07:57] <kappy> punkass: if you are going to go with icewm go with fluxbox, but thats only my opinion you should try both
[07:57] <jdub> smeggy: number of dependencies does not necessarily mean suboptimal memory usage or performance 
[07:57] <punkass> well i am trying xfce first.
[07:58] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, Fluxbox is the nicer of them, I think.
[07:58] <Baumi> good morning
[07:58] <kappy> punkass: you will like xfce it quite good
[07:58] <jdub> pango is the main performance bottleneck for gtk+ apps
[07:58] <jdub> (in general)
[07:58] <bborkk> hardly.
[07:59] <punkass> its for my pops old computer.
[07:59] <bborkk> jdub: You mean Pango the penguin game?!
[07:59] <punkass> i would like to just use gnome but its a 166 :(
[07:59] <jdub> pango the library
[07:59] <Baumi> where can i see, if the LIRC module is included in the kernel?
[07:59] <kappy> weird, when did fluxbox add the fluxbox slit?
[08:00] <bborkk> jdub: Two bad... Pango the game was fantastic.
[08:00] <kappy> jdub, is bonobo part of gtk stuff or is it gnome specific? because from my experiance bonobo is serious bloat
[08:01] <punkass> just installed gdm...im suprised at how many deps it had..
[08:01] <punkass> bonobo being one of the
[08:01] <bborkk> mdz: I tried rmmod ehci_hcd, but sleep still doesn't work... did you do anything else?
[08:01] <punkass> s/the/them
[08:01] <joem> bonobo is the gnome corba framework
[08:01] <kappy> punkass: gah bonobo
[08:02] <kappy> isn't that some kind of monkey?
[08:02] <bborkk> Chimp, I think.
[08:02] <punkass> lol
[08:03] <bborkk> Known as the only non-human animal to pursue sexual pleasure for its own sake.
[08:03] <kappy> http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/images/beta1_snapshot.jpg    now that is pretty clean and nice looking
[08:03] <kappy> ah cool
[08:03] <jdub> kappy: bonobo is a gnome thing - it is not 'bloat', but is sometimes used in places where it needn't be
[08:03] <kappy> jdub, its for IPC right?
[08:04] <jdub> kappy: that's precisely why it's used in places where it needn't be.
[08:04] <jdub> kappy: its primary function is *not* IPC
[08:04] <kappy> oh hehe
[08:05] <jdub> (well, directly, anyway)
[08:05] <kappy> then I missunderstand the intire thing
[08:05] <jdub> bonobo is intended to be the equivalent of COM/DCOM on windows
[08:05] <kappy> eh, im not sure what that is either
[08:06] <kappy> I've done most of my programming after I moved over to linux
[08:06] <kappy> I only did a bit of java programing back on *dowa
[08:06] <kappy> er Windows
[08:09] <punkass> anyone know what would cause a crazy mouse...seems ok for a sec then moves back to the bottom left corner of the screen
[08:09] <cc> the daily isos should have some form of date appended to them. so when i download several, in my one directory, i know which daily iso rocked or blew ;)
[08:09] <punkass> its a generic ps2 mouse
[08:09] <kappy> punkass: hmm, check your XF86Config-4 file and make sure there is only one mouse entry
[08:10] <punkass> well there was 2 but i commented one out and its still wacky
[08:10] <defendguin> hey could i set a cron job to powerdown my box at a set time?
[08:11] <kaplanfx> punkass: you have to look down at the bottom
[08:11] <kaplanfx> in "Serverlayout"
[08:11] <punkass> yeah thats where i commented it out
[08:11] <kaplanfx> oh
[08:11] <kaplanfx> hmm try commenting out the other one
[08:11] <kaplanfx> or turning off dpm
[08:11] <kaplanfx> er gpm that is
[08:12] <kaplanfx> /etc/init.d/gpm stop
[08:12] <kaplanfx> as root
[08:13] <punkass> what is gpm?
[08:13] <kaplanfx> console mouse
[08:13] <punkass> commenting out the other one, made X not start
[08:13] <kaplanfx> im not sure what it actuall stands for
[08:13] <punkass> ah
[08:13] <kaplanfx> punkass: don't comment out both at the same time
[08:13] <punkass>  no i didnt
[08:13] <punkass> i switched
[08:13] <kaplanfx> ok
[08:14] <punkass> sorry i should note that this is a debian unstable install
[08:15] <punkass> there is no gpm found
[08:15] <punkass> i am using ubuntu, but on this old 166 it would be a bit to much i think
[08:15] <crimsun> it works fine on a 166 w/ >32 MB RAM
[08:16] <punkass> what really?
[08:16] <punkass> thats exactly what i have.
[08:16] <punkass> crimsun, have u tried it on a 166 with 32mb ram?
[08:16] <crimsun> yep
[08:16] <crimsun> stripped it down
[08:16] <crimsun> installed xfwm4
[08:16] <punkass> meaning?
[08:16] <crimsun> it runs.
[08:17] <crimsun> mga driver
[08:17] <crimsun> it's slow, but it runs
[08:17] <punkass> lol same driver here
[08:17] <punkass> i just installed debian unstable and xfce5
[08:17] <punkass> er 4
[08:17] <crimsun> whew. i thought oliver went nuts and bumped the version :P
[08:18] <crimsun> have you seen the composite screenshot for 4.2?
[08:18] <crimsun> it looks very slick
[08:18] <punkass> are u using xfce totally or just xfwm with gnome?
[08:18] <crimsun> the former
[08:18] <punkass> yes it does look slick
[08:19] <punkass> lol which is that
[08:19] <crimsun> xfce
[08:19] <punkass> did u just apt-get install it?
[08:20] <crimsun> from universe, yep
[08:21] <punkass> what version is it?
[08:21] <punkass> i would look but i am not in ubuntu at the moment
[08:21] <crimsun> 4.0.5something
[08:22] <DaNewB> Can the Unbuntu live cd be installed on HD?
[08:22] <crimsun> not at that box (which doesn't have openssh-server installed)
[08:22] <punkass> ok cool well maybe ill just do that...did u remove gnome..or just not use it?
[08:23] <DaNewB> ..or is it better to just use the normal Ubuntu CD for a HD install?
[08:25] <punkass> DaNewB: yes i would use a normal CD to install with
[08:25] <jdub> DaNewB: the livecd doesn't include install foo -> just use the installer :-)
[08:25] <jdub> DaNewB: you get both cds when you order from shipit, btw
[08:26] <crimsun> punkass: just not use it.
[08:26] <DaNewB> punkass, jdub: ok, thnks!
[08:26] <punkass> crimsun: k thanks
[08:27] <punkass> jdub: how are u guys able to ship free cds...doesnt it cost a few $$
[08:28] <jdub> punkass: yeah, only a few.
[08:28] <tck> its worth it for such a good os
[08:28] <crimsun> and since ubuntu is Taking Over The World, $ is no issue!
[08:28] <crimsun> =)
[08:28] <punkass> crimsun: i am stuck in a "Entering low memory mode" loop
[08:28] <tck> wait till next year, ubuntu will be up there with the rest
[08:28] <crimsun> punkass: alt+F2, fdisk and create a swap partition manually, mkswap, then swapon
[08:28] <tck> i'm surprised linuxiso.org doesnt have it up yet :P
[08:30] <punkass> hmm seems fdisk is unable to open /dev/hda
[08:30] <crimsun> punkass: you have to create the swap partition and mount it as early as possible
[08:31] <crimsun> i kept triggering that problem at our installfest a couple weekends ago
[08:31] <punkass> ah
[08:31] <crimsun> basically, as soon as the part* udebs have been loaded, immediately create and mount a swap partition in the console (alt+F2)
[08:32] <crimsun> it may take two tries
[08:32] <punkass> ok
[08:32] <crimsun> first time you can cfdisk /dev/hda and create the swap partition and mark it swap
[08:32] <crimsun> then save the table
[08:32] <crimsun> but you'll probably not have enough time to mkswap and swapon
[08:33] <crimsun> so after a reboot, since you've already run cfdisk and have a swap partition, mkswap and swapon
[08:33] <crimsun> you should be able to get it up and running, and the network detection will continue
[08:33] <crimsun> for me it kept spinning trying to unpack the wireless stuff
[08:33] <crimsun> (without swap being mounted)
[08:35] <punkass> well i just did a debian install so there already is a swap partition on the driv
[08:35] <punkass> e
[08:35] <crimsun> ok
[08:35] <crimsun> in that case you can just switch to the console and swapon
[08:35] <crimsun> swapon /dev/hdaX
[08:36] <punkass> No such file or dir
[08:36] <punkass> tried 1 thru 6
[08:36] <punkass> but i am sure its on 1
[08:36] <crimsun> your swap partition is /dev/hda1?
[08:36] <crimsun> ubuntu will fail to install if that's the case.
[08:36] <punkass> i believe so
[08:36] <punkass> oh
[08:37] <crimsun> you need to create the swap partition after you create a regular linux partition
[08:37] <crimsun> or the installer will refuse to install
[08:37] <punkass> ok well i still cant get cfdisk to find /dev/hda
[08:37] <bborkk> Would the XScreenSaver prevent a laptop from going into sleep mode?
[08:37] <crimsun> punkass: timing issue
[08:37] <punkass> ah
[08:38] <crimsun> punkass: you _must_ cfdisk _as soon_ as the part* udebs have been loaded
[08:38] <punkass> ok guz it chokes right after they do
[08:38] <punkass> s/guz/cuz
[08:38] <crimsun> took me four hours, but i finally did get ubuntu installed and running
[08:39] <punkass> well if i could figure out my mouse problem i may just leave debian on there :)
[08:40] <Treenaks> bborkk: if you close the lid and have acpi, the screensaver is disabled
[08:41] <punkass> well it uses xscreensavers screen lock doesnt it?
[08:42] <bborkk> Treenaks, punkass: Yeah, the screen lock comes on.
[08:42] <punkass> bborkk: yeah..that was a reply for Treenaks :)
[08:44] <bborkk> Treenaks, punkass: The screen fades to black when I manually push the lid button.  The backlight actually goes off for a second or two, and then it comes on again, but the screen is 'black'.  I think this is when the screen lock kicks in.
[08:44] <punkass> yeah i had the same problem
[08:44] <punkass> i ended up using radeontool
[08:44] <punkass> and it shuts the screen right off
[08:45] <Treenaks> bborkk: it starts xscreensaver, but it _also_ switches to a different vt, so xscreensaver shouldn't be outputting anything
[08:45] <punkass> Treenaks i think its a radeon thing..
[08:45] <Treenaks> could be
[08:45] <punkass> the screen is black but the backlight is not off
[08:45] <q2> HEY ALL!
[08:45] <punkass> bborkk, u can use the radeontool to control the power to the screen
[08:46] <Treenaks> q2: please don't shout, it's only 8:45am.. my neighbors wil wake up
[08:47] <bborkk> punkass: Is radeontool a module?
[08:47] <q2> Treenaks: Its 2:45 AM over herer
[08:48] <Treenaks> q2: that's an even better reason not to shout 8)
[08:48] <bborkk> punkass: Found it on Freshmeat.
[08:49] <punkass> sorry was just switching mice
[08:50] <punkass> so all i did was edit my lid.sh scipt
[08:50] <punkass> and add the line: /path/to/radeontool lighton
[08:50] <DarkNite> Hi room
[08:50] <punkass> and then: lightoff
[08:50] <punkass> i think those are the key words..
[08:51] <red_menace> Anyone know if the Ubuntu source is available?   I installed it on my machine, and I have an Nforce3 motherboard.  I can't install the NIC drivers because it needs the source to compile the module.
[08:52] <punkass> apt-get install linux-source
[08:52] <DarkNite> I just got done moving my kids computer, wife's computer and my server to ubuntu
[08:52] <jdub> red_menace: you should be able to get away with just the headers package
[08:52] <bborkk> punkass: Maybe now my laptop can pretend to sleep.  Thanks.
[08:52] <red_menace> Is the source on the CD?
[08:52] <punkass> not sure
[08:53] <punkass> bborkk: no prob...that was the most i could do sofar to try and save power
[08:53] <red_menace> I'm not sure what the nvidia NIC driver module needs to compile.  Never took a look at the make file.
[08:53] <neighborlee> is there a rescue mode on the ubuntu CD and if not ( I hadn't made a bootdisk) how do I get back into my system ( had to reinstall XP) to reinstall grub ?
[08:54] <jdub> red_menace: you can't use the forcedeth module?
[08:54] <punkass> read_menace: well u can get: linux-source,    linux-headers,  and linux-image i believe
[08:54] <jdub> neighborlee: just run the cd and then alt-f2 to get to the shell
[08:55] <neighborlee> jdub I tried chroot but I wasn't sure what path togive it
[08:55] <q2> apt-get moo
[08:55] <jdub> neighborlee: mount your disk wherever you want :)
[08:55] <jdub> neighborlee: (you don't strictly need chroot though)
[08:56] <neighborlee> ok
[08:56] <red_menace> forcedeth module?  I dunno.  I tried detecting my NIC but it didn't find anything.
[08:56] <punkass> ah for old mice you use: PS2 not ImPS2
[08:57] <jdub> red_menace: modprobe forcedeth -> see what happens
[08:57] <jdub> red_menace: if it works, file a bug with the pci id of your nic
[08:57] <q2> TYPE IN CONSOLE: apt-get moo
[08:58] <Treenaks> q2: old
[08:58] <q2> its funny as hell
[08:58] <q2> hahahahah
[08:59] <red_menace> alright, so file a bug if modprobe forcedeth doesn't work?
[08:59] <jdub> red_menace: well, only if it does ;)
[08:59] <jdub> red_menace: what happens when you do?
[09:00] <red_menace> I'll have to come back.  I'm dual booting
[09:00] <bborkk> punkass: Do you think just disabling xscreensaver would do the trick?
[09:02] <punkass> hmm not really sure..
[09:04] <bborkk> G'night all.
[09:04] <punkass> nite
[09:06] <smeggy> hey jdub, where abouts in aus are you?
[09:07] <jdub> smeggy: sydney
[09:07] <smeggy> cool :)
[09:10] <punkass> is there i good file manager that goes with xfce..
[09:10] <punkass> i = a
[09:10] <crimsun> xffm?
[09:10] <crimsun> rox-filer personally
[09:10] <punkass> its kinda funky
[09:10] <smeggy> you could use nautilus
[09:11] <crimsun> he's trying to avoid gnome
[09:11] <crimsun> it's a p166 w/ 32 MB
[09:11] <smeggy> ah
[09:11] <smeggy> gentoo is nice
[09:11] <Tomcat_> xffm is the right file manager for xfce, but it sucks.
[09:11] <smeggy> the filemanager
[09:11] <smeggy> not the distro
[09:11] <crimsun> true, gentoo is fairly nice, too
[09:11] <crimsun> and there's always the curses mc
[09:12] <Tomcat_> mc! :D
[09:12] <Tomcat_> Meh favorite.
[09:12] <Tomcat_> Well if you got a slow PC, I suggest using mc or the command line, but neither xffm nor nautilus.
[09:13] <punkass> its for my pops..so he aint goin anywhere near the command line :)
[09:13] <Tomcat_> Oh.
[09:13] <punkass> its either this or back to win95
[09:13] <Tomcat_> Okay, then mc is probably best.
[09:13] <punkass> what is mc?
[09:13] <Tomcat_> Or configure xffm *really* well.
[09:13] <smeggy> midnight commander
[09:14] <punkass> well the layout of xffm is kinda bizarre
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Yes.
[09:14] <Tomcat_> The tree structure is not intuitive.
[09:14] <punkass> not at all
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Or try nautilus... it might work after all.
[09:14] <Tomcat_> I have a K6 350 and it ran fine... but I use cmd or mc now.
[09:15] <hazmat> gnome-osd is very cool... integrates with rhythmbox and xchat..
[09:16] <smeggy> What is it? OSD.. onscreen display?
[09:16] <hazmat> yup
[09:18] <smeggy> nice
[09:18] <Ninjas-Rezatm> whats up
[09:22] <Ninjas-Rezatm> I only have 640x480 resolution available, how do I get more?
[09:23] <Treenaks> Ninjas-Rezatm: what kind of video card/monitor?
[09:24] <Ninjas-Rezatm> Geforce 5700 Fx and Sun Microsystems monitor
[09:25] <q2> Im having DCOP trouble again.........
[09:25] <Treenaks> q2: DCOP?
[09:26] <Treenaks> isn't that KDE?
[09:26] <q2> ya, im using konqueror
[09:27] <q2> why wont KDE work with Ubuntu anywaY?
[09:27] <daniels> KDE works fine with Ubuntu, it's just not installed per default.
[09:27] <q2> it wont work for me
[09:28] <Ninjas-Rezatm> is there a configuration utility for available resolutions?
[09:29] <bob2> q2: then please file a bug
[09:29] <q2> aaah
[09:29] <q2> i might have too
[09:37] <punkass> how do i enable a desktop on xfce?
[09:41] <Red_Menace> Ok, I can't remember who was helping me, but I have the forcedeth module working
[09:42] <Red_Menace> So thanks a lot
[09:47] <mojo> hi all ppl
[09:48] <mojo> I'm wondering who's responsible for FireFox in Ubuntu?
[09:48] <mojo> I got a patch to remove the line seperator in Help on the menubar
[09:52] <Red_Menace> If I wanna get the 64bit source, do I use apt-get install linux-source?
[09:53] <bob2> mojo: file a bug about it.
[09:53] <bob2> Red_Menace: aren't 64-bit kernels built from regular kernel.org tarballs?
[09:54] <Red_Menace> I really have no idea.  I'm pretty new to the linux world.
[09:54] <bob2> the amd64 ubuntu port has a 64-bit kernel, anyway
[09:54] <bob2> the whole distro is 64-bit, except for weird things like openoffice.
[09:54] <Red_Menace> Yah, I'm running the 64bit kernel now, I just need the source so I can compile a module
[09:55] <bob2> which module?
[09:55] <Red_Menace> It's a NIC driver by Nvidia for the NForce3 chipset
[09:55] <bob2> and you almost certainly don't need the source to build it, the linux-headers-2.6 package is enough.
[09:55] <Red_Menace> ok
[09:55] <bob2> are you sure ubuntu doesn't include it already?
[09:56] <Red_Menace> well, I tried to install the drivers and it said it could not build the module because the source was missing.
[09:56] <Red_Menace> looked in /usr/src and there was nothing there
[09:57] <bob2> Red_Menace: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[09:57] <bob2> looks like you just need the forcedeth module.
[09:57] <Red_Menace> There are several header packages to choose from ... how do I find out which has been used to compile my kernel?
[09:58] <bob2> and you'd need to install the linux-headers-2.6 package to be able to build the module.
[09:58] <Red_Menace> ls
[09:58] <mojo> bob2: where to submit the GTK conversion patch for OOo.org? Ubuntu Bugzilla or OOo.org Bugzilla or GNOME Bugzilla?
[09:59] <bob2> Red_Menace: install linux-headers-2.6-amd64, I think.  but you're sure the forcedeth module doesn't work?
[09:59] <mojo> I 80% convert OOo.org to GTK2
[09:59] <bob2> mojo: isn't ximian doing that, too?
[09:59] <Red_Menace> forcedeth seems to work.   Thought I'd install the drivers proper.  There is also a sound module I wanna build.
[09:59] <mojo> bob2: yes, I'm extending all their codes, fix bugs (that's why I call it patch)
[09:59] <bob2> Red_Menace: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include the sound module?
[09:59] <bob2> mojo: ah
[10:00] <mojo> where to submit?
[10:00] <bob2> Red_Menace: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:00] <mojo> b/c I got a special tweak patch for only Ubuntu
[10:00] <bob2> Red_Menace: it looks like all your hardware should be fine
[10:00] <bob2> mojo: that should definitely go to ubuntu then
[10:01] <mojo> bob2: but the point is: Ubuntu doesnt have any GTK2 for OOo b4, so ...not really sure..
[10:01] <bob2> mojo: how is part of it ubuntu-specific then?
[10:01] <mojo> Ubuntu will move to GTK2?
[10:01] <bob2> I don't know.
[10:01] <bob2> ask on the ubuntu-devel list, someone will know
[10:01] <mojo> ok
[10:01] <mojo> let me try
[10:03] <mojo> bob2: damm, none answer me
[10:04] <bob2> eh? you have to wait, people don't read the list continuously
[10:04] <bob2> and you did read "list" not "irc channel", right?
[10:06] <mojo> yes
[10:06] <bob2> it is a weekend, dude :)
[10:09] <mojo> yah
[10:21] <Ninjas-Rezatm> does anybody listen to gamingfm
[10:24] <SpamHog> not me
[10:24] <mrben_away> morning all
[10:26] <Iorek> people
[10:28] <mrben_away> hey Iorek 
[10:29] <Iorek> :)
[10:29] <Iorek> anybody know how I can make Firefox play Quicktime movies?
[10:29] <bob2> you can't play quicktime with ubuntu.
[10:30] <Iorek> that seems unlikely, I'm sure you can do it in Debian
[10:30] <bob2> you need mplayer or such, which isn't in ubuntu.
[10:31] <Iorek> mhhh...suse could do it with xine...
[10:32] <bob2> maybe they can only play the unpatented codecs.
[10:33] <mrben_away> you can install mplayer on ubuntu if you add the marillat sources to your sources.list
[10:33] <bob2> right
[10:33] <mrben_away> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:34] <bob2> for i386.
[10:34] <mrben_away> should work for all architecture, if I understand the nature of debian repositories
[10:35] <bob2> the repository isn't the problem, marrilat only hosts .debs for i386.
[10:35] <mrben_away> ah, does it? Sorry - didn't realise
[10:35] <bob2> er, marillat.
[10:35] <mrben_away> btw - anybody else have any problems getting into the device manager?
[10:36] <mrben_away> it just pops up a window, and then closes it immediately for me?
[10:36] <bob2> how up to date are you?
[10:36] <bob2> I believe HAL had problems ~day ago
[10:36] <mrben_away> ah ok
[10:36] <punkass> you can get the xine mozilla plugins
[10:36] <punkass> Iorek: that will play quicktime
[10:37] <Iorek> punkass cool. How? ;)
[10:37] <punkass> Iorek: get them from xines site (i think there is a link at the bottom of the page)
[10:37] <punkass> they are rpm
[10:37] <punkass> use alien to convert them to deb
[10:37] <Iorek> okay
[10:37] <punkass> then: dpkg -i xine-plugins
[10:38] <punkass> or whatever its called
[10:38] <punkass> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/w32codec-0.52-1.i386.rpm
[10:39] <punkass> oops
[10:39] <punkass> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/xine-mozilla-plugin-0.2-041008.src.rpm
[10:39] <punkass> oops again..thats the source :)
[10:39] <punkass> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/xine-mozilla-plugin-0.2-041008.i586.rpm
[10:40] <Iorek> :)
[10:40] <punkass> tho u may need that w32codec rpm to not sure
[10:40] <punkass> anyways off to sleep for me...later all
[10:41] <joem> you can get w32 codes from that one repo
[10:41] <Iorek> already have the codecs :)
[10:47] <Iorek> mmmh..installing works, but apparently not to the right directory
[10:49] <Treenaks> Iorek: did oyou get the w32codecs from marillat.free.fr
[10:50] <Treenaks> there's also "plugger" which can make a plugin from almost any program
[10:50] <Iorek> yep
[10:50] <Treenaks> maybe mozplugger
[10:50] <Treenaks> mozplugger it's called
[10:50] <Iorek> but the xine plugin is in usr lib instead of in /home/iorek/.mozilla/plugins :P
[10:51] <Iorek> create symlink?
[10:51] <Treenaks> Iorek: if it's in /usr/lib/mozilla it should work
[10:51] <Treenaks> otherwise it'd only work in your ~
[10:51] <mirak> hello
[10:52] <Treenaks> mozplugger = nice
[10:52] <Iorek> :)
[10:53] <PandU> Hi all, Is there a way to install realplayer or crossover in amd-64 ubuntu
[10:55] <Iorek> mmhh...creating a symlink worked to SOME degree...now it says "click to play" instead of "install the plugin" :P
[10:55] <Iorek> unfortulately, it still doesn't play :P
[10:55] <joem> I like the mplayerplug-in
[10:56] <joem> better then any of the xine ones I have used
[10:56] <alessandro_> hi
[10:56] <mirak> is there kde ?
[10:57] <alessandro_> when I finish the ubuntu installation on i386 don't start the grafical login...
[10:57] <Treenaks> mirak: yes, in universe, but what's wrong with gnome?
[10:58] <alessandro_> I must restart the pc but also after rebbot I've the same problem.
[10:58] <Treenaks> Iorek: try about:plugins
[10:58] <bob2> alessandro_: does it print errors?
[10:58] <mirak> Treenaks: I have tried it several times but always switched back to kde
[10:58] <mirak> don't ask me
[10:58] <mirak> I tried :)
[10:58] <polok_> I'm off
[10:58] <polok_> back later
[10:58] <alessandro_> bob2, No only black screen
[10:59] <bob2> alessandro_: does it drop back to a login terminal or does it stay black?
[10:59] <alessandro_> bob2, it stay back I can't go on a terminal
[10:59] <SpamHog> help help!  mouse frozen on X start, can get to CLI, what command to reconfig mouse under x?
[10:59] <Iorek> joem: have you been able to do it in Ubuntu? :)
[10:59] <bob2> SpamHog: what sort of mouse is it?
[11:00] <alessandro_> bob2, keyboard don't anser... but it work
[11:00] <Treenaks> SpamHog: did you change anything/
[11:00] <SpamHog> IM PS2 on psaux, wheeled
[11:00] <SpamHog> no, 1st boot
[11:00] <bob2> SpamHog: sure the mouse is working ok?
[11:01] <SpamHog> yes!  I have KVM, could have been misrecognized in autoconfig
[11:01] <SpamHog> works fine on other distros
[11:01] <Treenaks> SpamHog: no, it configures all possible mice afaik
[11:01] <bob2> SpamHog: does it work if you get rid of the KVM?
[11:01] <Treenaks> SpamHog: did you change your KVM to another PC while booting?
[11:01] <SpamHog> problem is, I am not sure how the kvm simulates mouse while switched to other machine....
[11:01] <alessandro_> bob2, could append that the live cd works?
[11:02] <bob2> alessandro_: the livecd works but the install one does not?
[11:02] <bob2> SpamHog: sounds like a KVM problem...
[11:02] <SpamHog> not on other distros....
[11:02] <bob2> SpamHog: turn your machine off.  switch the kvm to your machine. reboot.  does the mouse work now?
[11:03] <SpamHog> is there a way to reinvoke HW recognition, or what is the CLI way of returning to X configuration?
[11:03] <Treenaks> SpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:03] <bob2> that won't help
[11:03] <alessandro_> bob2, no no I haven't tried the live cd...
[11:03] <Treenaks> and I wonder why the ubuntu installer even USES /dev/psaux, as it's obsolete and everyting is in  /dev/input/mice nowadays
[11:04] <SpamHog> ooops, I assumed /dev/psaux...  wait for dmesg
[11:04] <bob2> alessandro_: oh, I doubt it will help
[11:05] <Evaso> hi guys, do u support updfstab ?
[11:06] <Treenaks> Evaso: not needed, pmount is used
[11:06] <alessandro_> bob2, I don't know but now I can't do nothing... when I start the pc it crash with black screen
[11:06] <Evaso> Treenaks: there is a pmount package that can i install also on debian machine?
[11:07] <Treenaks> Evaso: don't know, probably..
[11:07] <Evaso> and what about udf writing?
[11:08] <kagou> hi
[11:08] <bob2> alessandro_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration
[11:08] <bob2> Evaso: if you want ubuntu, just use ubuntu...
[11:08] <bob2> alessandro_: can you file a bug report and include the information that asks for?
[11:08] <bob2> alessandro_: you can avoid the crash by booting into single user mode
[11:09] <Evaso> bob2: ubuntu support udf writing?
[11:09] <SpamHog> DMESG: input: ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse on isa 0060/serio1
[11:09] <bob2> Evaso: does the mainline kernel?
[11:09] <SpamHog> DMESG: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[11:09] <SpamHog> ???
[11:09] <Treenaks> SpamHog: that means it found a mouse, and all mice are 'mixed together' in /dev/input/mice
[11:10] <absurdhero> hello
[11:10] <Treenaks> hi
[11:10] <SpamHog> Treenaks: OK, so it's as expected. Suggestions? 
[11:10] <absurdhero> does anyone know whether anyone is hacking on the "Airport Express" drivers?
[11:11] <absurdhero> i can't find any docs, mailing list postings, anything, through google
[11:11] <Treenaks> SpamHog: reboot with the KVM switched to your PC all the time, see if that works
[11:11] <absurdhero> i dont even know the chipset model
[11:11] <Treenaks> SpamHog: and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration
[11:11] <Treenaks> absurdhero: lspci will tell you
[11:11] <Treenaks> oh wait
[11:11] <Treenaks> airport
[11:11] <Treenaks> not video
[11:11] <Treenaks> uh
[11:11] <absurdhero> Treenaks: I dont have one anyway =/
[11:11] <absurdhero> i might buy one to hack on a module though
[11:12] <SpamHog> OK, I'll try.  If this is the case, not fun. Be back soon.
[11:12] <Treenaks> absurdhero: I think google knows more
[11:12] <absurdhero> need to find out if anyone has already tried and failed though
[11:12] <absurdhero> i have no search terms though
[11:12] <Treenaks> absurdhero: airport express linux module ?
[11:12] <absurdhero> airport express linux module (or driver) brings up yellowdog and other places noting the lack of support. thats it
[11:13] <absurdhero> no sf.net pages, no useful mailing lists, nothing
[11:13] <absurdhero> i probably need the model of the chip to get any further
[11:13] <Treenaks> add source
[11:13] <absurdhero> since that would get non-technical stuff out of the picture
[11:13] <Treenaks> add patch
[11:13] <absurdhero> ya, ill try source
[11:13] <absurdhero> i think i tried that though =/
[11:13] <Evaso> bob2: look here http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/Linux/ht-mtrainier.shtml
[11:14] <Evaso> i tink that ubuntu could support this feature
[11:14] <absurdhero> oh i forgot, airport extreme also brings up the damned base station of the same name
[11:15] <absurdhero> oh and s/express/extreme way up above
[11:15] <Iorek> I hope there are plans to provide a quicktime plugin someday...or at least something that can play those
[11:16] <SpamHog> rebooted with KVM switched in, mouse still dead
[11:16] <SpamHog> is there no CLI way to restart X config?
[11:20] <absurdhero> what xconfig are you using?
[11:20] <Treenaks> SpamHog: yes there is
[11:20] <Treenaks> SpamHog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:20] <Treenaks> SpamHog: I told you
[11:20] <Treenaks> SpamHog: you can switch to the other console with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[11:21] <Treenaks> (are you sure the mouse is in the 'mouse' socket and the keyboard in the 'keyboard' socket, and the cables from your KVM are correct as well?
[11:27] <tom-cat> hehe, there's something wrong with root password in graphic apps and in console
[11:27] <raver31> hi all
[11:29] <darksatanic> tom-cat: That's because there is no root password.
[11:30] <darksatanic> tom-cat: Use sudo to access root instead.
[11:30] <alessandro_> bob2, I succeed to log in a terminal but if I do # X11 I receive X11: command not found
[11:42] <SpamHog> Treenak: thank you, trying now....
[11:45] <SpamHog> grrrr!!!!    as I crtl+alt+backsp now, X restarts automatically....  didn't do so on previous boot
[11:45] <SpamHog> how can I impede a restart???
[11:46] <bob2> alakdan: "X" is what you want
[11:46] <daniels> or 'startx'
[11:46] <SpamHog> no, I want CLI as X had dead mouse rotting in the middle of the screen...
[11:47] <SpamHog> can I reboot to CLI?  how?
[11:47] <SpamHog> no to mention the floating cow (which is cool...)
[11:47] <bob2> SpamHog: you don't need to repeat over and over
[11:47] <joem> you can just ctrl+alt+f1 or something
[11:47] <bob2> SpamHog: you need to tell grub to boot you into single user mode
[11:47] <joem> don't need to reboot
[11:47] <bob2> or that
[11:48] <SpamHog> joem: ctl + alt + F1   great!
[11:57] <dr_dindic> aloha
[11:59] <Smeven> hi
[12:02] <Smeven> anyone around?
[12:03] <joem> always
[12:03] <Smeven> are there any ubuntu developers or maintainers around?
[12:04] <jdub> yes
[12:04] <jdub> always ;)
[12:04] <Smeven> haha
[12:05] <Smeven> My question has somewhat to do with packages that are nice, but arent included into ubuntu
[12:05] <Smeven> most of them relate to dvd
[12:05] <joem> playind dvds?
[12:05] <joem> er playing*
[12:06] <Smeven> more like backing up dvds
[12:06] <Smeven> lxdvdrip is a nice piece of software
[12:06] <joem> dd?
[12:06] <Smeven> command based
[12:06] <Smeven> joem: dd cant backup a dvd9 :)
[12:06] <Smeven> or else i'd use it
[12:06] <bob2> someone will have to package it
[12:07] <joem> tried dvdbackup?
[12:07] <Smeven> it uses dvdbackup
[12:07] <joem> I have no idea if it does what you want, just saw it in the list
[12:07] <Smeven> it makes those tools easier to use
[12:07] <SpamHog> Brethren, methanks Youse all verymuch. Mousy still belly up.  See you again after release.
[12:07] <joem> ah
[12:07] <andid> hi all
[12:08] <Smeven> hi
[12:08] <joem> SpamHog, did you change the mouse device in your XF86.conf?
[12:08] <Smeven> anyone in here package giftui?
[12:08] <andid> is somebody willing to help me, i have problems installing ubuntu....
[12:08] <joem> Smeven, it is in universe
[12:09] <Smeven> ah
[12:09] <SpamHog> yes, I tried psaux and went back to default...  thanks again for the help, but see you in a bit...
[12:09] <joem> ok
[12:09] <SpamHog> bye
[12:09] <Iorek> apt-get install gift....it'll install giftcurs
[12:09] <Iorek> but giftoxic is in universe too
[12:10] <Smeven> I am partial to giftui
[12:10] <Smeven> giftui will be a lot better next release
[12:10] <Smeven> more gnomish
[12:10] <Smeven> better HIG
[12:10] <Mayday> i did something stupid and installed the xorg server, now it seems it foobared my normal X install (even if i installed xorg into /usr/XORG), anychange to reinstall whole XFree with a singel command?
[12:11] <Mayday> (the XFree that comes with unbuntu that is)
[12:11] <Smeven> And the gconf code will actually work next release
[12:19] <PandU> I want to play real audio, Is there a way to install realone
[12:24] <joem> think they have linux installers at the real site
[12:26] <Iorek> they do
[12:30] <PandU> but not 64bit
[12:30] <PandU> is there another channel for ubuntu amd64
[12:32] <bob2> PandU: just ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list
[12:50] <LoneElf> Hello all... i would really like to install gdesklets, but im rather new to ubuntu and dont want to mess anything up...  im not seeing it when i do an apt-cache search gdesklets
[12:54] <vrln> LoneElf: I think gdesklets is in universe
[12:54] <andid> what is universe??
[12:54] <LoneElf> Hrmmm , odd that i dont see it, i wonder why... 
[12:54] <vrln> unsupported packages as far as I know
[12:55] <vrln> a bit like debians contrib I quess
[12:56] <Treenaks> I wonder why ubuntu doesn't install abiword-gnome and gnumeric by default... they're much less bloated than openoffice
[12:56] <joem> openoffice is more well known
[12:57] <joem> once of the reasons epiphany isn't installed by default
[12:57] <joem> er once
[12:57] <Treenaks> joem: windows is more well known too, doesn't make it better.
[12:57] <joem> ah, one
[12:57] <LoneElf> Ack, i didnt have universe in my sources.list.
[12:57] <jdub> Treenaks: OOo is the 'market leader', despite gnumeric being technically better.
[12:57] <j^> does abiword use the open office format by now?
[12:58] <jdub> Treenaks: a distribution shipping abiword/gnumeric over OOo would not be taken seriously.
[12:58] <joem> it uses its own format
[12:58] <joem> .abw
[12:58] <jdub> Treenaks: however, abiword and gnumeric are in our supported set.
[12:59] <Treenaks> joem: that's another thing... OOo en abw/gnumeric should settle on a common, standard file type
[12:59] <Treenaks> uh
[12:59] <Treenaks> jdub: 
[12:59] <j^> joem thats is worn, kwirte finaly switched to use the open office format, will abiword switch its default any time?
[12:59] <j^> joem *wrong
[12:59] <jdub> Treenaks: it is likely that they will all use the OOo formats soon enough.
[12:59] <joem> I don't know
[12:59] <joem> there all openformat xml files, but I'm sure they will settle on something
[01:01] <Treenaks> jdub: once they do they'll probably need integration in the 'Preferred applications' stuff?
[01:01] <LoneElf> are there any cool GL benchmarking utilities for linux that look cool?
[01:02] <Treenaks> LoneElf: any GL xscreensaver -- most have a -fps option
[01:03] <jdub> Treenaks: unlikely
[01:03] <bob2> LoneElf: glxgears.
[01:03] <Treenaks> jdub: then OOo needs de-bloating
[01:03] <Treenaks> (but I don't know enough C++)
[01:04] <j^> bob2  GL benchmarking utilities *that look cool*, not glxgears
[01:04] <vrln> LoneElf: doom3 timedemo1 :)
[01:04] <joem> glxgears looks cool :)
[01:04] <bob2> I think it looks plenty cool
[01:04] <vrln> not sure if the demo is out yet though
[01:04] <LoneElf> thanks vrln =)
[01:04] <vrln> (for linux that is)
[01:14] <jdub> Treenaks: please don't use the word 'bloat' when referring to these kinds of issues - it doesn't mean anything :)
[01:14] <jdub> Treenaks: the major issue for OOo is startup performance
[01:15] <jdub> Treenaks: which is substantially improved in 2.0
[01:15] <jdub> (as is memory usage, so i hear)
[01:15] <Treenaks> jdub: The OOo source is larger than XFree source
[01:16] <jdub> Treenaks: that's not even remotely surprising :-)
[01:16] <jdub> Treenaks: OOo does a heck of a lot more than XFree86
[01:16] <jdub> and i'm understating that ;)
[01:17] <Treenaks> jdub: maybe it does too much for one package?
[01:17] <joem> it the nature of office suites to do lots of stuff
[01:17] <joem> thats what they are designed for
[01:17] <j^> theantix is not one package but a suite of packages
[01:17] <jdub> Treenaks: the component parts share a huge amount of infrastructure - that makes sense :-)
[01:17] <j^> Treenaks the was
[01:18] <jdub> Treenaks: you could ship them separately, but that wouldn't change much
[01:18] <jdub> (apart from being a more maintainable distribution and development method, the benefits of which you can see in gnome)
[01:18] <jdub> but, well, doing that with OOo would be a massive, massive challenge at this stage ;-)
[01:19] <Treenaks> jdub: like the Firefox thing Mozilla did?
[01:19] <Treenaks> jdub: (and Thunderbird, etc.)
[01:19] <jdub> no, deeper actually
[01:19] <jdub> firefox is still fairly monolithic
[01:19] <jdub> moreso, in fact
[01:19] <jdub> (apart from the other major components like mail, etc)
[01:20] <Treenaks> :P
[01:21] <jdub> OOo 2.0 might be here in time for Hoary
[01:21] <jdub> wait for that, sounds like it's going to be good
[01:22] <j^> jdub did you have a look at the development version? is it usable.
[01:22] <joem> jdub, what reasons are there behind not using ooo-ximian?
[01:22] <sivang> jdub : hi, just wanted to ask what's ubuntu-meta pruporse? I've wondered around it's code a bit...
[01:22] <joem> I'm not to into the openoffice world, don't know much of what goes on
[01:22] <jdub> joem: ooo-ximian is the branch that novell, red hat and debian work on -> we do have it :-)
[01:22] <jdub> sivang: it's just a meta package with dependencies
[01:23] <joem> as default though
[01:23] <jdub> j^: not sure at the moment
[01:23] <Scognito> does Xorg will be included in the release of ubuntu?
[01:24] <sivang> jdub : oh, so to fulfill the need to allow people who are not installing from scratch to get new introduced pkgs?
[01:24] <jdub> Scognito: yes
[01:24] <Scognito> jdub, cool
[01:24] <jdub> sivang: yeah
[01:24] <Scognito> and when it will be out?
[01:25] <jdub> Scognito: march (preview) and april (final) next year
[01:25] <Scognito> wasn't 4.10 meant as the 4th of october?
[01:25] <jdub> yes
[01:25] <jdub> that's the current release
[01:25] <jdub> er, not the 4th
[01:25] <jdub> the 20th
[01:25] <Scognito> so it is not Preview release
[01:25] <jdub> 4 == 2004
[01:25] <jdub> no, the preview release went out last month
[01:25] <Scognito> ahhhhhh
[01:26] <topyli> Scognito: not oct 4, but 04-10
[01:26] <Scognito> so the the 20th of october will be out the release, right?
[01:26] <jdub> yes
[01:26] <Scognito> ok clear :)
[01:27] <Scognito> is possible to not use udev without recompile the kernel?
[01:31] <jdub> Scognito: udev is fully user space
[01:31] <jdub> Scognito: i wouldn't recommend not using it, but you can
[01:33] <joem> devfs is already depreciated, and won't exist at all pretty soon
[01:36] <bob2> hm, ubuntu doesn't use bootlogd
[01:36] <Scognito> jdub, the problem is i need the devices for lirc and mga_vid, and they are deleted every time after the reboot
[01:36] <Scognito> how can i solve this prob?
[01:37] <joem> Scognito, udev.rules Is what you are looking fore I believe
[01:37] <jdub> Scognito: you can fix up the udev configuration for those
[01:38] <Scognito> does someone modified this file or know where i can find some doc about it?
[01:40] <joem> google for udev rules
[01:40] <joem> something should come up
[01:40] <rabidbt> http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[01:41] <Scognito> ok thanks alot
[01:46] <j^> netapplet is not installed anymore?
[01:47] <jdub> netapplet has never been in warty
[01:47] <j^> what is the suposed, gui way to switch to another wireless network?
[01:47] <jdub> there isn't one in warty, aside from the g-s-t networking dialogue
[01:48] <j^> the g-s-t networking dialogue never worked for any of my wireless network kards.
[01:48] <j^> other than that, i did not show the iw2100 one, since there was no entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:54] <mojo> excuse me all ppl
[01:54] <mojo> excuse me all ppl
[01:55] <mojo> any one here know how to use alien with a specific "control" file?
[01:59] <jsubl2> i am getting my amd64 this morning.. woot!!
[01:59] <crimsun> lucky bastige!
[02:09] <Tzalidar> im so glad that you guys put up "dive into python" on the ubuntu page as a recommended book. I've always been kinda interested in learning python and that book is just great! :)
[02:10] <smeggy> you can get it free on the net...
[02:12] <andid> re
[02:14] <andid> somebody online how can help me?
[02:14] <bob2> if you have a question, just ask
[02:16] <andid> ok after installing ubuntu i got this error message "i cannot start the x server (your graphical interface) it is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the x server output.... " and the error msg: X: cannot start /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory)"
[02:16] <andid> ok what should i do now
[02:17] <bob2> this was a default install?
[02:17] <andid> yes
[02:17] <siretart> where does nautlius put burn://? i added some files (too many) but cannot remove them from there (?!)
[02:17] <AndersAA> that's the exact error message andid?
[02:17] <andid> yes
[02:18] <andid> i wrote it down on paper to bringt it here
[02:18] <andid> ;)
[02:18] <AndersAA> sure it didn't say X11/XF86Config or something like that?
[02:18] <andid> nope this is exactly the error message
[02:18] <andid> nothing wie xfreeconfig
[02:18] <andid> with
[02:18] <AndersAA> yeah, actually that makes sense
[02:19] <AndersAA> but... it not having that file doesn't make sense
[02:19] <andid> hmm im new to linux
[02:19] <AndersAA> you didn't boot with any custom flags or something?
[02:19] <andid> i even don know how to do that ;)
[02:19] <AndersAA> figured as much
[02:19] <AndersAA> that's really odd
[02:19] <andid> i did a default installation and hoped that it would work
[02:19] <AndersAA> are you close to the computer now?
[02:19] <AndersAA> it generally will
[02:20] <andid> yeah i am close to it
[02:20] <andid> have to go up some stairs
[02:20] <andid> but thats no problem
[02:20] <AndersAA> try apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[02:20] <AndersAA> login, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[02:20] <andid> ok and than?
[02:20] <AndersAA> see what that says
[02:20] <AndersAA> that package should already be installed
[02:20] <siretart> andid: which installation media did you use?
[02:21] <AndersAA> you could try sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X aswell
[02:21] <andid> i downloaded the i386 iso image and burned it on cd
[02:21] <AndersAA> did you say yes to installing packages from the internet?  Could be it screwed up there somehow
[02:21] <andid> yes i dit
[02:21] <andid> did
[02:21] <andid> and he downloaded all packages
[02:22] <andid> or i think he did so
[02:22] <AndersAA> login, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 <-- try that
[02:22] <AndersAA> ... no, try the ln line
[02:22] <andid> ok wait a second i try it
[02:22] <andid> ok the ln not apt??
[02:22] <AndersAA> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X
[02:22] <AndersAA> login then write that
[02:22] <AndersAA> and reboot and see if that works
[02:23] <andid> ok i give it a try
[02:23] <Tzalidar> yeah, i got it free on the net
[02:24] <sertmann> two quick questions i hope you can help me with... does ubuntu use x.org or xfree86 as default? couse i've been changing my xfree86-config4 beyond recognition and i still only run in 640x480 mode...
[02:25] <bob2> xfree86.
[02:25] <AndersAA> xfree86
[02:25] <AndersAA> try checking your log file, could be it's detecting your monitor wrong and keeping you in 640x480 because of that
[02:26] <sertmann> and is there a tutorial on setting up the propetary nvidia drivers somewhere, couse it seems it's quite different from debian, as you can't apt-get the kernel source and image...
[02:27] <andid> ok im back
[02:27] <sertmann> seems like my monitor is detected just fine.... with appropriate freq. detection and all
[02:27] <andid> i did the ln line and restarted the machine
[02:27] <andid> and now i got this error: /etc/X11/X is not executable
[02:27] <AndersAA> yeah, figured as much
[02:27] <AndersAA> chances are it's an invalid link or something
[02:28] <AndersAA> what I'd do for a quick fix without doing any advanced stuff is just reinstall and say no when it asks to update stuff from the internet
[02:28] <AndersAA> you can do that later
[02:28] <andid> and than?
[02:28] <AndersAA> I'll guess instead of installing from the cd, it's "sync's" the package tree and tries to install updated packages from the internet instead of installing from cd and then updating.
[02:28] <AndersAA> which means if it fails to download something it won't install that package at all
[02:28] <AndersAA> you can probably update your system after install without problems
[02:28] <andid> i tried this out last night
[02:29] <andid> and x wont come up too
[02:29] <AndersAA> same error message?
[02:29] <andid> yeah
[02:29] <andid> so today i updated packages, did apt-get upgrade
[02:29] <andid> and apt-get install gdm
[02:29] <AndersAA> hmm.... I'd try bug reporting this if I were you, hopefully they'll have some suggestions on what went wrong
[02:29] <AndersAA> (bugzilla.ubuntu.com)
[02:30] <andid> ok
[02:30] <andid> sounds not good
[02:30] <AndersAA> well it is a pre release
[02:30] <AndersAA> and they fix stuff fairly quickly :)
[02:30] <andid> oh thats good
[02:31] <AndersAA> this would probably be a pretty high priority bug, so it should be fixed soon.
[02:31] <AndersAA> also keep in mind if they ask you to checkout /etc/X11/X, that I told you to create the symlink :)
[02:33] <sertmann> Any other bright ideas? i probably just forgot something and can't remember what it is i forgot :)
[02:34] <tuhl> Hi - Is Mark Shuttleworth also "avaliable" on this channel?
[02:35] <bob2> he is here
[02:35] <bob2> it's probably better to email him, though
[02:35] <AndersAA> sertmann: well, if you have configured your file with X -configure it puts the config file in your homedir, which overrides system's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 configfile
[02:35] <tuhl> bob2: What is his NIC?
[02:36] <sertmann> did dpkgxconfigure
[02:36] <bob2> tuhl: it'd be better to email him, I suspect
[02:36] <sertmann> and editet manually
[02:36] <AndersAA> cat /var/log/XFree86*.log, maybe grep for EE or WW (error/warning)
[02:37] <tuhl> bob2: What is his e-mail address?
[02:37] <Mithrandir> mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com, iirc.
[02:37] <tuhl> thanks
[02:41] <sertmann> ah, seems you were right Anders, hsync out of range.... anyway to check this, cz i don't have the manual, and it doesn't state on the monitor....
[02:41] <sertmann> ehm any way
[02:41] <AndersAA> if you comment ouf the hsync and vsync lines it'll try to auto detect em
[02:41] <AndersAA> will work on most monitors
[02:43] <sertmann> aha! rebooting....
[02:43] <sertmann> :)
[02:43] <izmaelis> hello
[02:46] <sertmann> hmmm
[02:46] <sertmann> nix
[02:47] <izmaelis> what is so special about ubuntu linux?
[02:48] <sertmann> he, it doesn't detect your monitor properly :D
[02:48] <izmaelis> (-:
[02:48] <izmaelis> what do you mean by that?
[02:49] <sertmann> just joking....
[02:50] <izmaelis> no, really, why should anyone choose this distro?
[02:50] <sertmann> supposedly it's debian with a more frequent release cycle, which suits me fine if i could only get it to work properly
[02:50] <sertmann> and it's fast too
[02:53] <izmaelis> no offence, but i think that source based linux distros are faster than binary package based ones
[02:53] <Noodles> Wasn't that disproved though?
[02:53] <joem> depends on your definition of fast
[02:54] <sertmann> i was merely stating it seems more responsive than debian, not comparing with gentoo
[02:55] <crimsun> izmaelis: "faster?"
[02:55] <crimsun> izmaelis: wrt package updates? binary performance?
[02:56] <crimsun> ubuntu's packages are updated very frequently.
[02:56] <joem> crimsun, I spent 3 days upgrading, so to make up for it I pretend things go 10x faster
[02:56] <crimsun> it's not uncommon to find multiple updates within hours.
[02:56] <joem> that type of faster :)
[02:56] <crimsun> joem: awesome.
[02:56] <philipss2> hello
[02:57] <sertmann> mmm... well.... commenting out the sync rates didn't help...
[02:57] <sertmann> any other suggestions?
[02:58] <izmaelis> uhmmm... and is it possible (or even logical) to install ubuntu on machine, that does not have internet connection?
[02:58] <joem> sure
[02:58] <smeggy> yep
[02:58] <joem> just grab an install cd
[02:58] <joem> all of the packages are on it
[02:58] <Ferry> damn this sucks
[02:58] <Ferry> if you have xinerama setup
[02:59] <philipss2> there's missing one thing though :)
[02:59] <Ferry> it will only show windows on the first screen in the windows list
[02:59] <Ferry> and not ones that are on the second screen
[02:59] <philipss2> something to burn audio cds ... found nothing on the CD for that
[02:59] <joem> philipss2, cdrecord
[03:00] <philipss2> and something more clickable for my mother ?
[03:00] <joem> heh, nope
[03:00] <joem> not for audio anyways
[03:01] <philipss2> i thought nautilus-cd-burner was supporting audio cds .. i was wrong :(
[03:02] <Treenaks> philipss2: there are some AUDIO_TRACK references in the source, so I think it might support it in the future
[03:02] <izmaelis> do they send you ubuntu linux cds for free?
[03:03] <joem> yes you can have cds mailed to you for free
[03:04] <philipss2> Treenaks: ok thx for info
[03:04] <izmaelis> hey, i like that
[03:04] <Maskie> izmaelis: free cd's only after final release on 20th oct --- goto http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:05] <Maskie> izmaelis: you can order as many as you like --- even powerppc and amd64
[03:07] <izmaelis> i'm trying to remember any other distro that sends you install cd for free, but i can't remember any
[03:09] <netoryggi> hi there
[03:09] <Treenaks> izmaelis: suse used to send SuSE Professional packages to Debian Developers :)
[03:10] <Myshkin> g'day. when i try to install  I get "no installable kernel found" error. any advice?
[03:10] <netoryggi> i'm moving from windows to ubuntu and well, my debian/linux experience is limited...but I'm trying to play the teletubbies for my kid on the comptuer, but it seems like totem player needs some additional packages for xvid, divx and etc.  - i've tried to write apt-get w32***.deb but it doesn't work....anybody that can help me?
[03:11] <Treenaks> Myshkin: is your CD burned correctly, and found during install?
[03:11] <Treenaks> netoryggi: look for "marillat" in the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/), it has an explanation
[03:11] <Myshkin> Treenaks: the md5 sums were ok & the installer verified the packages
[03:12] <netoryggi> ??? the marillat... 
[03:12] <Treenaks> Myshkin: what kind of CPU do you have?
[03:12] <Myshkin> I tried the preview iso & some of the daily snapshots both normal & expert
[03:12] <Treenaks> netoryggi: there's a search box on the wiki page, use it to look for 'marillat' (or DVD)
[03:13] <Myshkin> it's a p4 2.66 (dell dimension 4500 with a few upgrades)
[03:13] <netoryggi> Treenaks: sorry to sound very stupid...but wiki page sounds jargonish :-) to a me (sorry know i'm beginner)
[03:13] <Treenaks> netoryggi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:13] <netoryggi> thx Treenaks
[03:13] <Treenaks> netoryggi: marillat is the name of the guy who packaged all tools
[03:14] <netoryggi> aha...ok
[03:14] <Treenaks> (last name)
[03:15] <Myshkin> Treenaks: i saved the error reports to a floppy. from messages: Setting up base-config (2.44ubuntu23) ... Err file: warty/main Packages Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Read error - read (5 Input/output error) Reading Package Lists... E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:15] <netoryggi> Treenaks: thought that :-) - so there is no way to play xvid or divx like in mandrake linux for example?
[03:16] <Treenaks> Myshkin: input/output error means there's a problem with the installation medium
[03:16] <Kamion> Myshkin: I/O error suggests a dodgy CD burn
[03:16] <Kamion> Myshkin: the usual advice is to try burning at a lower speed
[03:16] <Treenaks> what Kamion said
[03:16] <Treenaks> netoryggi: there probably is, but I don't know anything about mandrake (other than "it exists")
[03:17] <Myshkin> i'll try but my hopes are low. i'm a newbie so iv'e burned a _lot_ of iso's (for various distros) & all of them worked ok (all that matched the md5's)
[03:18] <stianh> how many fulltime devs does ubuntu have?
[03:18] <Myshkin> could i/o have anything to do with ide or dma?
[03:18] <stianh> I am writing an article in norwegian about ubuntu, so I hope you won't mind me asking a few general questions :)
[03:18] <rupert> hi
[03:19] <izmaelis> is there any forum for ubuntu users?
[03:19] <Mithrandir> stianh: for whom?
[03:19] <rupert> i have a problem running k3bsetup, it gives tons of errors that it missis icons and cant find kcmshell
[03:19] <stianh> Mithrandir, no one specific, but there is one norwegian linux site that I am thinking of submitting it to, and maybe a printed magazine, but chances are highest on it beeing published on the website.
[03:20] <rupert> than it crashes
[03:20] <Mithrandir> stianh: which one, then.
[03:21] <stianh> Mithrandir, www.linux1.no, and if they won't take it I'll try my luck with Linuxmagasinet (www.linmag.no) which is the printed one
[03:21] <Mithrandir> linuxmagasinet seems to take most people throw at them, IME.
[03:21] <stianh> I think linux1.no does too
[03:22] <Mithrandir> no idea, haven't heard of it before.
[03:22] <stianh> k
[03:22] <stianh> it's just a few months old
[03:23] <Kamion> stianh: about ten working on the distribution full-time, 34 total employed by Canonical
[03:23] <stianh> Kamion, thanks
[03:24] <philipss2> bye*
[03:24] <smeggy> anyone wanna start like a ubuntu community site?
[03:25] <stianh> smeggy, if you wanna call it mailordergeek.com you can get hosting and domain for free :P
[03:25] <Kamion> Myshkin: in recent versions of our kernels we've turned off DMA for CD drives
[03:25] <smeggy> lol stianh
[03:25] <Kamion> Myshkin: that postdates the preview release, though
[03:26] <stianh> smeggy, I'm serious, I have the domain and serverstuff :)
[03:26] <stianh> but nothing on it :P
[03:26] <stianh> but I am guessing it would be a bad domain name for such a site :)
[03:26] <smeggy> start a geek clothing store or something :P
[03:26] <stianh> hehe
[03:26] <rupert> can someone help me getting k3bsetup to run?
[03:32] <izmaelis> is there any forum for ubuntu users?
[03:32] <Myshkin> Kamion: Well, the 2004-10-03 snapshot ends in the same result. The 2004-10-06 snapshot doesn't work in normal mode (hangs on language select-maybe due to my usb keyboard?), but the expert ends the same too. How can I try tuning my dvdrw drive with hdparm during the install? 
[03:33] <darksatanic> izmaelis: Here, and the mailing lists.
[03:33] <darksatanic> izmaelis: If you mean a web forum, then not as far as I know.
[03:34] <Mithrandir> we're working on that, though.
[03:34] <PerfDave> Will the web forum be a web gateway to the mailing list?
[03:36] <Mithrandir> yes.
[03:36] <netoryggi> Treenack: is there any "easy" way to get the codecs installed
[03:36] <netoryggi> ?
[03:37] <superted> is there an easy way to get java and shockwave in epiphany?
[03:38] <rupert> is there any other way to burn UDF Data DVDs under linux?
[03:38] <rupert> k3b says me to use 1x speed
[03:38] <superted> exiting
[03:39] <sucram> hi there
[03:40] <sucram> is there anybody who can help me getting my usb hdd working under ubuntu?
[03:42] <Kamion> Myshkin: hdparm's available; press alt-f2 to get a shell where you can mess around, and alt-f1 to get back to the installer user interface.
[03:44] <joebeastie> away
[03:44] <joebeastie> doh :P
[03:44] <Smeggy> :D
[03:48] <rupert> thats what sucks in the linux com, you ask and get no answers, you will never get the desktop
[03:49] <Myshkin> Kamion: Is any of that other information useful? I.E., syslog, hardware summary...?
[03:50] <Kamion> Myshkin: syslog may well be; I really need to get going, though, I'm late for the family visit I meant to pay today
[03:53] <Myshkin> Kamion: Thanks for your help!
[03:57] <cardador> anyone is using anjuta / glade? i noticed that a required package for c++ is missing: glademm
[03:57] <cardador> missing from universe
[04:03] <izmaelis> when will be new version of ubuntu avaiable/
[04:04] <izmaelis> ?
[04:05] <JohanH> izmaelis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[04:08] <Maskie> izmaelis: and release schedule for warty -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule
[04:12] <andid84> re
[04:13] <BatUz> hi
[04:13] <BatUz> how can I enable root user?
[04:14] <normnmiles> in terminal type sudo passwd root and reset password
[04:15] <Phr0stByte> How can I change my audio output to esound insteat of oss that it is using now?
[04:18] <Phr0stByte> Anyone?
[04:19] <andid84> i have the following problem: after default installation x server is not set up correctly what should i do??? no detailed information about where the error occurs is given.....
[04:21] <Tzalidar> do you have a ati card?
[04:21] <andid84> yes i have an ati radeon 9600 pro
[04:21] <Tzalidar> okay
[04:22] <Tzalidar> what i did
[04:22] <Tzalidar> was to open the XF86Config-4 file
[04:22] <Tzalidar> it lies in /etc/X11
[04:22] <andid84> k
[04:22] <Tzalidar> then i changed the driver to "radeon"
[04:38] <cc> should ubuntu installer be clever to note not to start pcmcia on iMacs ?
[04:39] <jdub> cc: it's meant to remove pcmcia-cs if it's not required
[04:39] <jdub> Kamion: around?
[04:39] <firemouth> I cannot get a new Ubuntu install to boot. Something wrong with grub. Need help!
[04:39] <cc> jdub: ok. i'm doing a fresh install now, lets see if it removes it
[04:41] <Mithrandir> anybody with an amd64 and a nvidia card around?
[04:41] <bulvine> anyone home?
[04:41] <firemouth> I'm here
[04:42] <bulvine> do you know what I must do to get ubuntu to access NTFS shares?
[04:42] <goatboy> Mithrandir: me.
[04:42] <FiFi> i have ubuntu installed and working on a sata disk drive (/dev/sda), i can access my cdrom drive (/dev/hda) but devices for 2 my two ide disk drives aren't created (no hdb or hdc in /dev/)
[04:42] <FiFi> i tried MAKEDEV, but it doesn't work (cause of udev i think)
[04:42] <FiFi> when i look into /proc/ide i can find specifications for the two hard disk drive
[04:42] <FiFi> so my question is,
[04:42] <FiFi> how can i add hdb and hdc in /dev/ using udev (or maybe another util) ?
[04:42] <firemouth> Not I. I cannot get my system to even boot up.
[04:42] <cc> is there an rsync archive of the daily iso's? so i can just rsync the iso, rather than download a new one (saves bandwidth) ?
[04:43] <Mithrandir> cc: yes, it's documented on the wiki
[04:43] <cc> Mithrandir: thanks; i should pay that more attention
[04:43] <Mithrandir> goatboy: want to test amd64 linux-restricted-modules?  (That is, nvidia modules working out of the box, more or less)
[04:43] <Mithrandir> cc: rsync://archive.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-amd64.iso , adjust for your architecture.
[04:44] <cc> thanks, thanks
[04:44] <firemouth> What time of day is this room most busy?
[04:45] <goatboy> Mithrandir: yes
[04:45] <Mithrandir> goatboy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/ -- you need to install nvidia-kernel-common first.
[04:46] <Mithrandir> goatboy: (and you need to load the nvidia kernel module by hand, or edit /etc/modules and change driver in your X config)
[04:46] <Mithrandir> please tell me if it works, if it does, this is going into the archive fairly quickly.
[04:47] <robertj> Okay, I'm sold on HAL
[04:47] <goatboy> alright.
[04:47] <Mithrandir> goatboy: you want the http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8_2.6.8.1.3-1_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[04:47] <Mithrandir> s/the//
[04:47] <goatboy> you'll be my hero if this just works.
[04:47] <robertj> I rm -rf ~/Trash to get rid of some entries I didn't have permissions too and the icon turned to empty ;)
[04:48] <bulvine> If I wipe and reload my WInxp it will over write the bootloader.  How can I get access back to ubuntu after installing XP again?
[04:48] <bulvine> do I need to install samba to access the ntfs partition?
[04:49] <bulvine> oppss hehe  not used to xchat  meant to close a chat and closed xchat
[04:50] <Mithrandir> bulvine: you don't need samba for accessing ntfs, no.
[04:53] <robertj> Stupid question, where do images go to show up on the wallpaper list?
[04:54] <sivang> robertj : somewhere your .gnome2 dir on ~
[04:54] <sivang> robertj : there should be another directory there, "wallpapers" or something
[04:54] <Tzalidar> bulvine: what is it exactly that you want to do?
[04:54] <robertj> I dont see one, I'll just give up and use the gui
[04:57] <Mithrandir> goatboy: does it work? :)
[04:57] <goatboy> Mithrandir: grabbing it over slow dialup :/
[04:58] <goatboy> Mithrandir: I'll let you know in like 20 minutes :)
[04:58] <Mithrandir> goatboy: ok :)
[05:03] <iainm> hey folks. I just installed warty from a daily I downloaded a few days ago. While the installer was running after booting from the CD, the monitor switched on and off throughout the installation. After the reboot and loading from disc, the problem went away. Is there anyone here who'd like to work on it now, I should I bugzilla it?
[05:04] <Mithrandir> iainm: our installer hacker is away atm, so you should probably file a bug in bugzilla about it.
[05:04] <Mithrandir> it sounds very weird, though.
[05:05] <iainm> it is. The OSD thingy goes away as well - it looked like it was switching in and out of power save, so it's all quite unfathomable to me.
[05:06] <Mithrandir> iainm: there might be some boot options that can be twiddled to turn off those things during the install, I don't know.
[05:09] <iainm> which component should I file it for? base-installer, debian-installer and ubuntu-base seem like the potential candidates, but I'm not sure which one is most appropriate.
[05:09] <Mithrandir> debian-installer, probably.
[05:15] <jayeola> how often is the kernel updated?
[05:15] <jazzka> hi!
[05:15] <whattzzz-uppp> what is the most stable ubuntu daily release ? 
[05:15] <jazzka> I selected vesa during installation, but I prefer VGA
[05:16] <jazzka> how can I solve it?
[05:16] <jayeola> i've d-loaded a cd a month ago and just wondering if it worth d-loading again
[05:16] <goatboy> whoo!
[05:16] <goatboy> Mithrandir: looks like it's all working.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> goatboy: goodie, now I just have to make sure I didn't break anything wrt the i386 modules.
[05:18] <whattzzz-uppp> is it okay for me to download the current ubuntu release (as it has wvdial) or to downloard warthy released on september? which is the most stabel one ?
[05:19] <Mithrandir> whattzzz-uppp: both should be stable, but I'd go for the daily one, it should have a bunch of fixes you might want.
[05:19] <jazzka> ubuntu uses x.org or xfree?
[05:19] <jazzka> I want to change to vga!! please help!!!
[05:20] <whattzzz-uppp> xfree modified one
[05:20] <whattzzz-uppp> jazzka edit XFconfig-4 and change the driver from vesa to your graphic card
[05:21] <Treenaks> whattzzz-uppp: better to use dpkg-reconfigure for that
[05:21] <whattzzz-uppp> Treenaks yes that automates a lot of things
[05:21] <Treenaks> whattzzz-uppp: and report a bug with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration as a guideline
[05:24] <dextur> Say is there a file list for the live CD somewhere?
[05:26] <iainm> I've got a few partitions on /dev/hdc which have data I want to get at. Is there a shiny gui way to mount them, or should I just do it the traditional way?
[05:28] <cc> mount -t smbfs //10.0.0.1/share /mnt/myshare doesn't work! i replaced smbfs with cifs, but no go either
[05:29] <cc> this on ppc
[05:29] <Tzalidar> cc: you can browse the network in gnome :)
[05:29] <Red_Menace> I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to dual boot with WindowsXP.   My WindowsXP partition is an NTFS partition on hdb3.
[05:29] <cc> Tzalidar: i know, but sometimes its convenient to have the mp3 collection mounted
[05:30] <Tzalidar> that is correct :)
[05:30] <Tzalidar> im an irc noob, how do you write "to" someone?
[05:30] <Tzalidar> like you did
[05:30] <cc> Tzalidar: just ave nickname with a :. easier to have nic<tab> and type
[05:30] <cc> where <tab> is the tab key
[05:31] <Red_Menace> I tried to add this entry to my /boot/grub/menu.1st to make WindowsXP boot, but it won't work: title		WindowsXP
[05:31] <Red_Menace> rootnoverify(hd0,3)
[05:31] <Red_Menace> makeactive
[05:31] <Red_Menace> chainloader	+1
[05:31] <fred87> anyone know if ubunto works with UML?
[05:32] <fred87> *ubuntu
[05:33] <TheMonoTone> rootnoverify(hd0,3) should probably be hd(1,3) if its on the second hard drive
[05:33] <TheMonoTone> er (hd1, 3)
[05:33] <Tzalidar> cc: okay
[05:34] <TheMonoTone> Red_Menace, also, counting starts at 0, so it would likely be (hd1, 2)
[05:34] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: I kind of thought so too, but looking at my menu.1st file, all my linux partitions are listed as (hd0,X)
[05:34] <TheMonoTone> actually no, your rright (hd1,3)
[05:35] <Tzalidar> when i mounted samba shares i had to use mount -t smbfs -o username=<username> //<host>/<share> /mnt/<mountpoint>
[05:35] <Tzalidar> then it asked me for the password
[05:35] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: Ok, I'll try that
[05:35] <TheMonoTone> yeah, might as well give it a shot
[05:36] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: I forgot to mention I don't actually have a drive installed as hda.  That IDE connector is free for my removable hard-drive.
[05:36] <TheMonoTone> hmm...
[05:37] <dextur> Is there a list of what packages are installed in the default from 1 cd install somewhere?
[05:37] <TheMonoTone> you should probably look up on how grub counts drives
[05:37] <TheMonoTone> I don't know off the top of my head
[05:37] <Red_Menace> TheMonoTone: Ok, thanks for the help
[05:44] <dextur> say is tvtime or another tv watching app included in the live cd?
[05:46] <iainm> dextur, have a read of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[05:48] <bulvine> man.  working with Linux is taxing
[05:51] <defendguin> bulvine, in what way?
[05:54] <xespilce> ls
[05:55] <superted> porn/
[05:55] <riley> why would a host on a samba workgroup show up with smbclient -L localhost, but not when I try smbclient -L <host name>
[05:58] <dextur> iainm, Thanks. So no TV viewing app at all on the live cd then?
[05:59] <jazzka> can I install packages from debian in ubuntu?
[06:00] <superted> yes
[06:00] <iainm> dextur, I know nothing more than that that wiki page has the lists of what appears where.
[06:01] <jazzka> superted, how?
[06:01] <superted> jazzka: add a rep in apt.conf
[06:01] <superted> err, sources.list
[06:02] <superted> jazzka: what program are you looking for?
[06:02] <jazzka> mldonkey, and amsn also
[06:03] <superted> both are in the universal reps
[06:03] <superted> comment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <jazzka> ok, I'll see
[06:04] <jazzka> but, those packages are unsupported, that doesnt sound ok....
[06:04] <superted> i think it's better than getting them from a debian rep though
[06:06] <paxetil> whats the default root password in ubuntu ? it didnt asked me in installation process
[06:07] <jazzka> apt-cache search returns an error after uncommenting those lines
[06:07] <xespilce> :'(
[06:07] <Treenaks> paxetil: did you read the FAQ
[06:07] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu ?
[06:07] <Treenaks> jazzka: apt-get update first
[06:08] <sertmann> why are the kernel headers and sources not aviable via apt, i want my nvidia drivers
[06:08] <juliusmalch> hello, I-ve download ubuntu livecd
[06:08] <paxetil> Treenaks, no. What FAQ ? in ubuntu webpage ?
[06:08] <WW_> paxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[06:08] <juliusmalch> but nautilus does not start
[06:08] <paxetil> thx WW_
[06:09] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with 2.6.8.1-3-k7 kernel ?
[06:11] <paxetil> its said that using root in net or irc is unsafe, isnt unsafe using user with root privileges ?
[06:11] <paxetil> its almost same thing
[06:14] <vincent> miam! http://www.es.gnome.org/~telemaco/
[06:19] <mumart> Any comments on setting UDMA for cdrom/dvd drives?
[06:21] <tom_cat> hello, how to install Midnight Commander (MC) on Ubuntu ?
[06:22] <Treenaks> tom_cat: apt-get install mx
[06:22] <Treenaks> mc
[06:27] <juliusmalch> is it possible to install ubuntu from the livecd?
[06:27] <paxetil> ubuntu uses, stable/testing/unstable ?
[06:28] <tom_cat> Treenaks:  please look at:
[06:28] <tom_cat> root@homenetwork:/home/myubuntu # apt-get install mc
[06:28] <tom_cat> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:28] <tom_cat> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:28] <tom_cat> E: Couldn't find package mc
[06:28] <Treenaks> tom_cat: do you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:29] <tom_cat> universe, what is this ?
[06:29] <mumart> tom_cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[06:29] <WW_> tom_cat: also: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:30] <tom_cat> well, let me have look at those !
[06:30] <juliusmalch> anyone?
[06:35] <tom_cat> mumart, WW_: It works! Thanks a lot!
[06:35] <andred> What a good way to disable services from starting at bootup, but still allowing oneself to easily turn it back on (so not removing the init scripts completely) update-rc.d only allows to remove stuff as far as I know, not disable.
[06:35] <WW_> I installed ubuntu from the preview release, and I've been upgrading regularly.  Occasionally a new metapackage appears, and I can't tell if I need to install it.  For example, today I see a new package called "ubuntu-desktop".  Should I install this?
[06:37] <iainm> Computer->System Configuration->Time and Date is telling me that I need to run "NTP support in the system". I assume that means installing ntp-simple?
[06:38] <mumart> andred: I usually just delete the symlinks out of the runlevel dirs rcX.d. It's easy to put them back in when you need them.
[06:38] <mumart> I'm surprised ubuntu doesn't have some sort of runlevel editor built in.
[06:39] <andred> mumart, Yeah, I'd like one.
[06:55] <goatboy> Mithrandir: small problem.
[06:55] <goatboy> nvidia-settings from apt just segfaults.
[06:56] <goatboy> extracting nvidia-settings from the nvidia installer seems to work though, so it isn't a driver issue.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> goatboy: ok, so nvidia-settings is broken -- it's not part of the packages, I'm working on, but definitely something that should be fixed.
[06:58] <joshua> hi
[07:00] <Mithrandir> goatboy: reproduced, btw.
[07:00] <swoon> hi goatboy, I finally got 2.6.8.1-3 k8 installed, and its headers (i think) and I just tried to install the nvidia driver... I got this error: gcc version-check failed: ./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh line:1 cc: command not found ... ?
[07:01] <goatboy> Mithrandir: cool cool, should I bugzilla it?
[07:02] <swoon> goatboy: it also says: if you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version check select no to continue installation
[07:02] <Mithrandir> goatboy: I'll handle it
[07:02] <Jack_Malmostoso> Hi there everybody
[07:02] <goatboy> swoon: that means you don't have gcc installed, but if you wait a bit packages are coming.
[07:03] <Jack_Malmostoso> Just came in to say how great the livecd is
[07:03] <Jack_Malmostoso> I am using it right now
[07:06] <Jack_Malmostoso> bye guys
[07:08] <swoon> goatboy: packages coming today? I dont mind installing gcc... I allways find that I need to compile something sooner or later anyways
[07:08] <swoon> I cant really wait long... need it working todya..
[07:08] <swoon> goatboy: could you tell me what package to install exactly?
[07:08] <swoon> can someone ping me pls?
[07:08] <swoon> 
[07:08] <swoon> 
[07:08] <joshua> goatboy... I was lagging, did I miss anything you said?
[07:08] <swoon_> i may still be lagging...
[07:09] <swoon_> do I just need to install the "gcc" package?
[07:09] <swoon_> ...
[07:10] <swoon_> or do I want gcc-3.4?
[07:11] <Treenaks> swoon_: you want build-essential
[07:12] <goatboy> swoon_: these aren't tested, but you can try http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8_2.6.8.1.3-1_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[07:12] <goatboy> swoon_: you'll also need nvidia-kernel-common from apt.
[07:12] <swoon_> thank you goatboy 
[07:12] <swoon_> ok great
[07:13] <leonel> Eit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?
[07:13] <swoon_> and do I need any particular build-essential? or just whatever there is in the library?
[07:13] <goatboy> swoon_: if those packages work you wont need build-essential.
[07:13] <nitin> does anyone know how to get a radeon 9700 pro working with ubuntu?
[07:13] <nitin> with 3d and all
[07:14] <goatboy> nitin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <nitin> ty
[07:15] <nitin> and that should get all features of it up and working?
[07:15] <Tzalidar> goatboy: dont you need to add more things to the XF86Config?
[07:15] <Tzalidar> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[07:16] <Tzalidar> that guide suggests you to add some other things as well
[07:17] <nitin> that one is not ubuntu specific Tzalidar
[07:17] <nitin> :)
[07:17] <nitin> \i like the 1st one
[07:17] <nitin> seems simple and the edit's say it works
[07:17] <Tzalidar> yeah i know :)
[07:17] <nitin> :)
[07:17] <Tzalidar> what i meant
[07:18] <Tzalidar> is that it suggest you to add more things to the config
[07:18] <nitin> oh yea anyone know of a program thats like dreamweaver for ubuntu
[07:18] <nitin> i mean linux
[07:18] <Tzalidar> quanta
[07:18] <Tzalidar> (semi)
[07:18] <nitin> quanta? hmm
[07:18] <Mithrandir> swoon_: I really want to get feedback on the packages on people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen, so please tell me. :)
[07:18] <Tzalidar> or bluefish
[07:19] <swoon_> Mithrandir: ok, the first gave errors, didnt write them down... sorry... but I need to url to the other again please?
[07:19] <absurdhero> ubuntu is so cool, i want to use it, but my debian box is perfect as it stands...
[07:19] <nitin> wow screenshots look awome
[07:19] <Mithrandir> swoon_: first, install nvidia-kernel-common, then http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8_2.6.8.1.3-1_amd64.deb
[07:20] <Tzalidar> nitnin:   :)
[07:20] <Tzalidar> nitin i meant :)
[07:20] <Tzalidar> i've used quanta some
[07:20] <Tzalidar> it is amazing with php
[07:20] <swoon_> Mithrandir: then install both? or just the second if the first doesntwork>
[07:22] <nitin> hmm i searched on package manager for quanta but i only find the 1.X version is there a way to get the 2.x bleeding version?
[07:23] <Tzalidar> the ati howto looks nice :)
[07:23] <Mithrandir> swoon_: you need both.
[07:23] <Tzalidar> nitin: the bleeding version is 3.3
[07:23] <Mithrandir> goatboy: thanks for spotting the nvidia-settings problem, I have a fix now. :)
[07:23] <nitin> wow
[07:23] <Tzalidar> :)
[07:23] <nitin> how would i get that~_
[07:23] <Tzalidar> nitin: quanta uses qt
[07:24] <goatboy> Mithrandir: you rock :)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> if you want to use something that uses gtk
[07:24] <Tzalidar> then you go with bluefish ;)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> i dunno if they have bluefish
[07:24] <Mithrandir> Tzalidar: it's in universe, iirc
[07:24] <nitin> anyway to get bleeding edge quanta with apt?
[07:24] <Tzalidar> Mithrandir: thanks :)
[07:24] <Tzalidar> what does iirc mean?
[07:24] <swoon_> whats bluefish?
[07:25] <nitin> its an ide
[07:25] <Tzalidar> ah web development application
[07:25] <nitin> for programmers
[07:25] <Tzalidar> yes ;)
[07:25] <|trey|> nitin: add universe to your sources.list... its there... but its not supported...
[07:25] <Tzalidar> bluefish or quanta?
[07:25] <nitin> quanta or bluefish
[07:25] <nitin> lol
[07:25] <nitin> ahah
[07:25] <Tzalidar> ;)
[07:25] <Tzalidar> LOL
[07:25] <swoon_> understood
[07:25] <nitin> i know quanta is there but im just trying to find the bleeding edge one in apt
[07:26] <|trey|> nitin: sid probably is has newest...
[07:26] <nitin> watever ill just install 1.x then
[07:26] <WW_> nitin: The package version of quanta in universe is 1:3.2.3-1.  
[07:26] <swoon_> Mithrandir: both installed fine... do I need to do anything else before starting X ?
[07:27] <nitin> i dont see that
[07:27] <nitin> hmm
[07:27] <chrisz> i have a bootloader question..........
[07:27] <nitin> let me check me repositories
[07:27] <Tzalidar> you need to add universe
[07:27] <nitin> yea its added
[07:27] <chrisz> i'm running MDK10.0 & cooker
[07:27] <nitin> oh theres a mis'spelling in the url
[07:27] <nitin> lol
[07:27] <nitin> !
[07:27] <nitin> there we go
[07:27] <chrisz> i want to install ubuntu. when it gets to the bootloader install on ubuntu, is there an option not to install it?
[07:27] <Tzalidar> yup :)
[07:27] <|trey|> WW_: thats newest in Sid too  :)
[07:27] <Flatfoot> Hidy Ho
[07:27] <chrisz> i'd like to keep my MDK bootloader
[07:27] <chrisz> hey FX
[07:28] <Tzalidar> hmm i dunno if ill go with bluefish or quanta
[07:28] <Flatfoot> hey chrisz
[07:28] <|trey|> Tzalidar: Both are pretty good, try both.
[07:28] <Tzalidar> maybe i should try bluefish while im in a gtk environment anyway
[07:28] <nitin> i tried bluefish i think quanta might work better Tzalidar
[07:28] <absurdhero> Tzalidar try both
[07:28] <Tzalidar> yeah, ill do that
[07:28] <swoon_> goatboy / Mithrandir after install the two packages, is there anything I need to do before starting X ?
[07:28] <|trey|> but quanta will take longer to install
[07:28] <Tzalidar> ive used quanta some
[07:28] <nitin> bluefish is not really web dev spacific
[07:28] <absurdhero> i prefer bluefish myself, but I don't use any special editors any more
[07:28] <Mithrandir> swoon_: load the nvidia module (modprobe nvidia; you probably want to add it to /etc/modules as well) and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; select the nvidia (not nv) driver, make sure glx is enabled; dri and GLcore should be disabled.
[07:29] <Tzalidar> absurdhero: emacs guy ey? :)
[07:29] <absurdhero> :) how did you guess?
[07:29] <Tzalidar> ;)
[07:29] <Tzalidar> everyone who shuns ide's have seen the fine parts of emacs
[07:29] <nitin> i dunno ive just never gotten that close to emacs ~_~
[07:29] <nitin> even tho i use it alot
[07:29] <nitin> ..lol
[07:29] <Tzalidar> i'me a ide junkie
[07:29] <chrisz> anybody? bootloader for ubuntu........... is there an option during the install NOT to use the ubuntu bootloader?
[07:30] <nitin> uh
[07:30] <Tzalidar> i think so
[07:30] <nitin> hmm
[07:30] <nitin> when u start installation
[07:30] <absurdhero> admittedly, ive been using Dreamweaver at work, but emacs would solve so many of our problems
[07:30] <nitin> do the
[07:30] <nitin> advanced i nstallation
[07:30] <nitin> the
[07:30] <nitin> yea
[07:30] <Tzalidar> absurdhero ;)
[07:30] <nitin> instread of just hitting enter on install
[07:30] <chrisz> i'm running MDK & cooker right now. wanna try ubuntu, but not replace my MDK bootloader
[07:30] <Tzalidar> you can install the ubuntu bootloader in /boot
[07:30] <chrisz> i didn't see anything in the install info about having a choice with the bootloader
[07:30] <nitin> yea 
[07:31] <Tzalidar> i got a question if i wanted to put it in MBR or in /boot
[07:31] <nitin> when it boots up with ch
[07:31] <nitin> cd
[07:31] <Tzalidar> or via MDK bootloader
[07:31] <nitin> give it the advanced install option
[07:31] <nitin> or watever
[07:31] <nitin> and it probably will
[07:31] <chrisz> advnaced install, gotcha
[07:31] <nitin> something like that
[07:31] <Tzalidar> i got the question with regular install
[07:31] <chrisz> oops. advanced
[07:31] <nitin> hit f2 f3 or watever
[07:31] <nitin> it will give u a list
[07:31] <nitin> of commands
[07:31] <chrisz> i can edit my MDK boot loader easy enough to boot ubuntu from there
[07:31] <nitin> yea
[07:32] <|trey|> Tzalidar: MDK Bootloader = GRUB too..
[07:32] <nitin> just test it out first
[07:32] <Tzalidar> yup :)
[07:32] <SolarHydro> Hello
[07:32] <nitin> im not 100% sure
[07:32] <chrisz> does ubuntu use lilo or grub? or does it have a preference? i use lilo
[07:32] <Tzalidar> |trey| ye i know ;)
[07:32] <nitin> grub
[07:32] <Tzalidar> grub
[07:32] <|trey|> chrisz: GRUB... no one uses LILO anymore...
[07:32] <Flatfoot> ubuntu used grub by default
[07:32] <chrisz> haha
[07:32] <nitin> yea
[07:32] <chrisz> i do
[07:32] <Tzalidar> except reiser4 junkies
[07:32] <SolarHydro> I'm running ubuntu liveCD: key question, can I increase screen resolution
[07:32] <nitin> lol
[07:32] <|trey|> chrisz: time to upgrade  :/
[07:32] <Tzalidar> the yoper guys use lilo ;)
[07:32] <chrisz> bah ;)
[07:32] <Tzalidar> because "its the only bootloader that boots reiser4"
[07:33] <absurdhero> is there a liveCD for PPC?
[07:33] <nitin> computer->system conf->screen solution
[07:33] <absurdhero> if so, how do you make it go "Live"?
[07:33] <chrisz> i don't use reiser4, so no biggie
[07:33] <SolarHydro> max is 1024
[07:33] <chrisz> thanks guys
[07:33] <nitin> ull have to edit the
[07:33] <nitin> XF config file
[07:33] <nitin> i guess
[07:33] <absurdhero> the installer came up when I ran the PPC CD
[07:33] <nitin> and then restart X
[07:33] <mumart> Grub is sooo much nicer than lilo ...
[07:33] <absurdhero> but grub doesn't support raw fs :(
[07:33] <Tzalidar> gah, how do i "pretend" in apt
[07:33] <SolarHydro> I'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that
[07:33] <nitin> edit /etc/XF86config and under monitor add some more resolutions
[07:33] <Tzalidar> like: emerge -pv quanta
[07:34] <nitin> ull see how to do it
[07:34] <mumart> absurdhero: Lilo doesn't, technically, support any filesystems.
[07:34] <|trey|> Tzalidar: apt-get -s <command> <pkg>
[07:34] <|trey|> simulate
[07:34] <absurdhero> mumart: :)
[07:34] <absurdhero> mumart: but it doesn't have to, its not powerful enough
[07:34] <nitin> yaya im starting up quanta!
[07:34] <Tzalidar> |trey| thanks ;)
[07:35] <SolarHydro> Tell me how to reach XFconfig
[07:35] <|trey|> SolarHydro: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:35] <nitin> /etc/X11/XF86config
[07:35] <mumart> absurdhero: Lilo has a limit on the size of the kernel and initrd doesn't it.
[07:35] <SolarHydro> where/how?
[07:36] <|trey|> SolarHydro: whatever editor you want.
[07:36] <nitin> soemthing like
[07:36] <Tzalidar> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:36] <SolarHydro> Can I use OpenOffice for it?
[07:36] <nitin> hhaha
[07:36] <Tzalidar> if you wanna use nano and want to 'root' it ;)
[07:36] <nitin> damnit Tzalidar u beat me to it
[07:36] <|trey|> SolarHydro: or just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and do it again
[07:36] <Tzalidar> sure did ;)
[07:36] <absurdhero> mumart: I don't know. but I do knowk that I want raw fs support in grub
[07:36] <nitin> damn quanta blocked me typing:)
[07:36] <SolarHydro> Sorry I'm a noob, can you guys talk me through that?
[07:36] <absurdhero> perhaps I should add it.. not that they would accept the patch
[07:37] <Tzalidar> nitin: ;)
[07:37] <swoon_> sorry Mithrandir but do I want to use the kernel framebuffer device interface or not?
[07:37] <nitin> SolarHydro, type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then go down to the monitor section and add resolutions like "1600x1400" then save and exit then hit cntl-backspace
[07:38] <SolarHydro> where do I type it?
[07:38] <nitin> teminal
[07:38] <SolarHydro> clarify
[07:38] <nitin> apps->system tools->terminal
[07:38] <SolarHydro> k
[07:38] <Tzalidar> is there a way to get qt apps use gtk themes
[07:39] <SolarHydro> aah, can't cut and paste
[07:39] <Tzalidar> i know that you can do the opposite
[07:39] <|trey|> SolarHydro: sure, sudo openoffice oowriter
[07:39] <chrisz> thanks agin folks. i'm sure i'll be back with other questions once i do the install.
[07:39] <goatboy> swoon_: no, you don't.
[07:39] <|trey|> Tzalidar: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:40] <SolarHydro> OK I typed that in Terminal
[07:40] <|trey|> GTK uses QT themes that way...
[07:40] <Tzalidar> |trey| isn't that the opposice
[07:40] <Tzalidar> okay now i see
[07:40] <Tzalidar> i know that
[07:40] <SolarHydro> it now says: GNU nano 1.2.3 and the filename
[07:40] <Tzalidar> i wanna make qt apps use gtk themes :)
[07:41] <SolarHydro> what do I do next?
[07:41] <|trey|> Tzalidar: it will work from both... it just doesn't use GTK themes  :(
[07:42] <nitin> uh
[07:42] <SolarHydro> ...
[07:42] <nitin> what? it shouldnt
[07:42] <nitin> did u type in sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:42] <nitin> u should see the file now
[07:42] <SolarHydro> yes
[07:42] <SolarHydro> it shows me a filename
[07:42] <nitin> hmm
[07:42] <nitin> ok
[07:42] <nitin> exit
[07:43] <nitin> that
[07:43] <nitin> and type
[07:43] <nitin> ls /etc/X11/
[07:43] <nitin> tell me the name of the XF86config file
[07:43] <SolarHydro> did it, nothing happenend (I'm in terminal
[07:44] <SolarHydro> close terminal and restart?
[07:44] <|trey|> nitin: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4  is indeed the file...
[07:44] <SolarHydro> Talk me through step by step plz
[07:44] <|trey|> SolarHydro: what are you trying to do again?
[07:44] <nitin> hmm
[07:44] <nitin> od
[07:44] <nitin> dd
[07:44] <swim> is there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?
[07:44] <nitin> cdap
[07:44] <SolarHydro> Increase screen resolution
[07:44] <nitin> crap brb
[07:45] <swoon_> goatboy: crap I didnt see what it said before asking for keyboard model, should I leave it as it is? (pc104) ? im on a laptop...
[07:46] <SolarHydro> Max resolution offered is 1024*768 (I'm using ubuntu LiveCD)
[07:46] <goatboy> swoon_: leave as-is.
[07:47] <|trey|> SolarHydro: how big do you want?
[07:47] <SolarHydro> 1600 x 1200 preferably
[07:47] <_swoon_> goatboy: is there anything in particular I need to install to get my touchpad on my laptop to work?
[07:47] <goatboy> _swoon_: beats me, I've never had a laptop.
[07:48] <bborkk> Has anyone successfully compiled/installed drivers for an ATI FireGL T2 card?  I found this site http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html but it doesn't mention the T2 card.
[07:48] <SolarHydro> swoon; there seems to be a synaptics app in ubuntu, synaptics makes touchpads
[07:48] <bborkk> _swoon_: Which laptop do you have?
[07:48] <_swoon_> bborkk: I have a compaq r3000z 
[07:48] <absurdhero> bborkk: I know some of the linux laptop resellers have boxes with fireGL
[07:49] <bborkk> _swoon_: Have you checked that the touchpad is enabled in the BIOS?
[07:50] <bborkk> absurdhero: What is a linux laptop reseller?
[07:50] <SolarHydro> trey: ideas?
[07:51] <bborkk> SolarHydro: I just joined... what are you trying to do?
[07:52] <SolarHydro> Trying to increase screen resolution
[07:52] <SolarHydro> The max it offers is 1024*768
[07:52] <bborkk> SolarHydro: What is 'it'?
[07:52] <SolarHydro> I'm on the LiveCD of ubuntu
[07:53] <|trey|> SolarHydro: if you know the Horiz and Virt Syncs, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change it.
[07:53] <_swoon_> bborkk: Ive used in other distros... and have not touched the bios since...
[07:53] <_swoon_> bborkk: do I need to install synaptics or something?
[07:53] <swoon__> could someone kick swoon, and swoon_ ? Im laging insanley and restarted the app twice...
[07:53] <swoon__> irssi
[07:53] <Mithrandir> swoon__: they'll ping out eventually.
[07:53] <SolarHydro> I'm a linux noob, dunno how to do that, need someone to talk me through it
[07:53] <bborkk> SolarHydro: Do you mean Computer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[07:53] <swoon__> bborkk: seems synaptic is already installed
[07:53] <|trey|> SolarHydro: you really don't, it walks you through it itself, just read.
[07:53] <swoon__> ok thanks Mithrandir ... btw could you help me getting my touchpad to work... synaptic is installed already...
[07:54] <SolarHydro> Computer->System Preferences->Screen Resolution? offers max 1024*768
[07:54] <|trey|> SolarHydro: no.
[07:54] <|trey|> SolarHydro: from command line... 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[07:54] <SolarHydro> Actually it says desktop preferences
[07:55] <SolarHydro> where is command line?
[07:55] <SolarHydro> (I am a noob)
[07:55] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Applications > System tools > Terminal
[07:55] <bborkk> swoon: How do you know synaptic is installed?  Are you sure you're not looking at the package manager?
[07:55] <|trey|> Or Root Terminal
[07:55] <|trey|> that would work too, takes away need for "sudo"
[07:56] <SolarHydro> command not found :(
[07:56] <bborkk> SolarHydro: You can also right click anywhere on the desktop and choose "Open Terminal".
[07:56] <bborkk> |trey|: We might want to stick to sudo here.  :)
[07:56] <swoon__> bborkk: I did: apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics and it returned already newest version...
[07:57] <SolarHydro> sry did A type I am now in some kind of config app
[07:57] <|trey|> bborkk: why can't he use gksudo instead of sudo though?  :/
[07:57] <SolarHydro> select the desired X server it says
[07:57] <SolarHydro> is NV for nVidia?
[07:58] <|trey|> Yes, but its not the manufacturers...
[07:58] <SolarHydro> So do I click on that?
[07:58] <|trey|> blah... so yeah, its fps etc isn't good..   :/
[07:58] <bborkk> swoon__: Hmm.  Does your laptop also have one of those trackpoint devices?  Did your touchpad work at any time in the past?
[07:59] <SolarHydro> sigh: 'please enter the video card's bus identifier' ...
[07:59] <swoon___> did I miss anything?
[08:00] <swoon___> bborkk?
[08:00] <|trey|> SolarHydro: hit enter if you don't know the answer... you just want Horiz and Virt Sync's... I told you that!
[08:00] <swoon___> my mouse is out of batteries, and my touchpad isnt working... cant really use X...
[08:00] <swoon__> bborkk any ideas?
[08:00] <swoon__> sdfg
[08:00] <bborkk> swoon__: Did your touchpad ever work?
[08:00] <Treenaks> swoon__: go to the story, buy new batteris
[08:00] <Tzalidar> back
[08:01] <|trey|> And you need to select the new Screen Resolution, then restart X. (so log out and back in)
[08:01] <SolarHydro> going through menus...
[08:01] <swoon___> bborkk: not in ubuntu, but in other distros no problem
[08:01] <nitin> i wish they had dev-php for linux :(
[08:01] <Mithrandir> nitin: what do you mean?
[08:01] <bborkk> swoon__: Then it's not the BIOS.  Don't know what to say.  Sorry.
[08:01] <absurdhero> does anyone know if there is a PPC Live CD?
[08:01] <Mithrandir> absurdhero: no, there's not yet.
[08:01] <Tzalidar> ye what do you mean nitin ;)
[08:02] <SolarHydro> it's asking me questions about my keyboard now
[08:02] <swoon___> bborkk: has to be ubuntu...
[08:02] <nitin> dev-php is an ide for php developers on windows
[08:02] <|trey|> SolarHydro: damnit, I told you what to do  :/
[08:02] <nitin> its only for windows tho 
[08:02] <Tzalidar> ahha ok
[08:02] <nitin> its just like dev-cpp
[08:02] <nitin> its soo good
[08:02] <nitin> :)
[08:02] <Tzalidar> i think that quanta is good with php
[08:02] <|trey|> SolarHydro: enless something else was wrong, keep hitting enter
[08:02] <SolarHydro> should I stop now?
[08:02] <nitin> but i use gnome
[08:02] <Tzalidar> it remembers your variables
[08:02] <Tzalidar> yes i know
[08:02] <nitin> quanta looks shit in gnome :(
[08:02] <Tzalidar> so you did go for bluefish? :)
[08:02] <nitin> lol
[08:03] <nitin> i tried it
[08:03] <SolarHydro> I struggled to get my French keyb to work, don't wanna mess it up
[08:03] <Tzalidar> yeah i know
[08:03] <nitin> its not bad
[08:03] <nitin> but it isnt really php specific
[08:03] <Tzalidar> you can make gtk use qt themes
[08:03] <Tzalidar> buth not the opposite
[08:03] <WW_> |trey|: Forgive the unrequested observation, but you sure could use a bigger dose of patience and empathy.
[08:03] <nitin> yea
[08:03] <nitin> damn
[08:03] <Tzalidar> i use jEdit for python
[08:03] <Tzalidar> anyone know a better python ide?
[08:03] <Tzalidar> or maybe jEdit doesn't qualify for an ide ;)
[08:03] <nitin> man we need agood ide...
[08:03] <nitin> lol
[08:03] <|trey|> WW_: hah... yes... or apathy... would be less frustrating with more apathy.
[08:04] <Mithrandir> Tzalidar: emacs? :)
[08:04] <Tzalidar> ;)
[08:04] <SolarHydro> well, i did OK on everything, the script ended, and nothing changed
[08:04] <Tzalidar> here comes the missionaries of the emacs church
[08:04] <Tzalidar> everyone i know who shun on ide's use emacs
[08:04] <swoon___> anyone have any problems getting their touchpad to work in ubuntu?
[08:04] <tck> i get an applet error upon entering the gnome desktop
[08:04] <tck> "Unable to acquire the monitor of the Trash directory."
[08:04] <|trey|> SolarHydro: you changed VirtSync, HorizSync, and Resolution, then logged out and back in?
[08:05] <Tzalidar> nitin: yup, ill go for a freshmeat search
[08:05] <tck> and the trash applet has disappeared ; any suggestions?
[08:05] <absurdhero> there is nothing wrong with an IDE, they just tend to blow. if someone makes a good one, let me know
[08:05] <|trey|> tck: put it back?
[08:05] <|trey|> tck: right click panel > add to panel  :)
[08:05] <SolarHydro> It never offered me the option of Vsynch/Hsynch
[08:05] <tck> um.. i tried that before on a laptop 
[08:05] <SolarHydro> I haven't rebooted
[08:05] <tck> and then i get an error for each attempt
[08:05] <tck> i had like 5 or 6 applet erroes all saying the same thing
[08:06] <|trey|> SolarHydro: ugh... does for me... I have it ask me all questions though... 
[08:06] <SolarHydro> So shall I do the procedure again?
[08:06] <Tzalidar> awsome;) 2. PHPEclipse
[08:06] <Tzalidar> PHP support for the Eclipse IDE Framework.
[08:07] <|trey|> You can dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to low priority, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again...
[08:07] <|trey|> If you're sure you didn't see it...
[08:07] <SolarHydro> I am sure
[08:07] <SolarHydro> but I chose NV on the assumption that was nVIDIA
[08:07] <|trey|> Ubuntu uses "High"... so asks less questions then I like...
[08:07] <SolarHydro> perhaps it wasn't
[08:08] <SolarHydro> well... I'll try it again some other day... this is tiresome
[08:08] <SolarHydro> I had a good impression of ubuntu
[08:08] <|trey|> SolarHydro: it is... but that doesn't change that it probably thinks your monitor sucks, or that you simply didn't have it try  :/
[08:08] <SolarHydro> Samsung 1100df
[08:09] <SolarHydro> 21'' low dot pitch
[08:09] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Umm, so it doesn't suck, doesn't mean X doesn't think it is...
[08:09] <SolarHydro> :)
[08:09] <|trey|> Horiz and Virt Sync dictate that...
[08:09] <swoon___> I wonder if my touchpad is not working because Im using ubunut-amd64 ? and it is using a 32bit module instead of 64?
[08:10] <SolarHydro> it makes me seasick to look at it in 1024*768
[08:10] <|trey|> SolarHydro: and thats why we are changing it...
[08:10] <fluxy> Hello everyone
[08:10] <SolarHydro> changing what?
[08:10] <|trey|> SolarHydro: Resolution... I think imma go and punch something...
[08:11] <SolarHydro> me too
[08:11] <fluxy> I've ordered some Ubuntu cd's some weeks ago, and am still waiting. Is that normal?
[08:11] <Tzalidar> get your monitor model and google for it's specifications
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then you add the horizontal and vertical frequenzies to the config
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then restart X
[08:11] <Tzalidar> then change your resoulution
[08:11] <swoon___> anyone running ubuntu on a laptop?
[08:11] <|trey|> Tzalidar: + add the resolutions to the list... yes  :)
[08:11] <absurdhero> does anyone know of any truly good laptops with a decent screen size? I can't find any
[08:11] <SolarHydro> allright I'll try it tomorrow
[08:12] <SolarHydro> Acer travelmate 800LCi has 1400*1050 res, very good
[08:13] <SolarHydro> Trey & co, thanks for attempt to help, bye
[08:13] <absurdhero> is it under 7lbs?
[08:13] <Tzalidar> |tre|: so it needs modelines?
[08:13] <absurdhero> ill look into it
[08:13] <swoon___> Mithrandir: know anything about touchpad with ubuntu? I cant get mine working...
[08:13] <Mithrandir> swoon___: should Just Work..
[08:13] <SolarHydro> should be around 7lbs
[08:13] <SolarHydro> dunno weight, it's my parent's
[08:14] <|trey|> Tzalidar: yes... Modes... but d-r is easier then pointing to the place in the file...
[08:14] <swoon___> Mithrandir: damn... mine doesnt, any ideas?
[08:14] <SolarHydro> bye all
[08:14] <Mithrandir> swoon___: can you drop the result of lsmod into a privmsg to me?
[08:15] <swoon___> Mithrandir: I dont know how to copy and paste from command only... Im not using X because the touchpad doesnt work... :(
[08:15] <|trey|> Mithrandir: Computer > System Config > Device Manager should allow you to load modules.
[08:16] <absurdhero> wow the travelmate 800 is under 6lbs
[08:16] <Mithrandir> swoon___: ew, ok.
[08:16] <absurdhero> and it looks like its pretty neat
[08:16] <|trey|> Mithrandir: no where to add modules via GUI is bad for n00bs  :(
[08:17] <Mithrandir> |trey|: I guess we'll have something like that for hoary.
[08:17] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try running modprobe psmouse.
[08:18] <|trey|> Mithrandir: :(
[08:18] <|trey|> It'll prolly get done eventually though... too logical to not happen  :)
[08:18] <Mithrandir> |trey|: Warty is too close to release that we're able to add something like that before release.
[08:19] <swoon___> Mithrandir: oh but I did look at lsmod, and I didnt see anything called synaptic in there... to load the module would I just "modprobe synaptic" ?
[08:19] <swoon___> hmm ok the synaptic module isnt called synaptic... wonder what its called, anyone?
[08:19] <WW_> Hey experts, is it normal for there to be symlinks in / to initrd.img, initrd.img.old, vmlinuz, and vmlinuz.old?
[08:20] <WW_> The actual files are in /boot
[08:20] <|trey|> WW_: yes
[08:20] <|trey|> if you have more then one kernel installed
[08:20] <Tzalidar> i am using warty preview release, but i wont need to download the image and reinstall, all i have to do is: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[08:20] <sri> is someone planning on packaging multisync?
[08:20] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try to just use psmouse
[08:21] <|trey|> Or you can just point GRUB at the actual images and not have the links... but getting rid of the excess appears to be a good idea  :/
[08:21] <|trey|> Certainly easier to manage symlinks then _always_ be changing the file itself...
[08:22] <Tzalidar> nitin: found a good ide yet? ;)
[08:22] <WW_> |trey|: OK, thanks.
[08:22] <swoon___> Mithrandir: what do you mean just use psmouse? I did modprobe it, and then go into X just now but it still didnt work...
[08:22] <|trey|> Eclipse, MonoDevelop, KDevelop are all good apparently... First two I would say are best to try  :)
[08:23] <Tzalidar> yeah ;)
[08:23] <Tzalidar> i like eclipse
[08:23] <sri> hrm. looks like the one from unstable works.
[08:24] <|trey|> sri: usually do... just might not run well of all archs...
[08:24] <nitin> nop
[08:24] <|trey|> s/of/on/
[08:24] <Tzalidar> how could i forget! www.gnomefiles.org :)
[08:25] <|trey|> 11 archs to SUPPORT, is a lot, plus another 2 archs, and 3 more kernels...
[08:28] <|trey|> SuperH likely won't make next release, but others stand a good change of being part of the next version of Debian (after Sarge)
[08:29] <|trey|> chance*
[08:29] <sri> |trey|: yeah, thats what I hear..this seems harmles as it doesn't  have that many dependencies
[08:29] <swoon___> crappy get one thing to work after 2 days... and another doesnt...
[08:31] <damienp> Hi, first sorry for my english, but where can i get the kernel-headers 2.6.8.1-2-386, it's for the ubuntu 4.09 ... for installing eagle-usb
[08:31] <swoon___> does anyone know where th xf86 config file is?
[08:32] <Tzalidar> is there a good howto how to build ubuntu packages on your own
[08:32] <nitin> hey Tzalidar i found a pretty good one
[08:32] <sri> swoon___: /etc/X11
[08:32] <nitin> called screem
[08:32] <Mithrandir> swoon___: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:32] <nitin> looks pretty good
[08:32] <Tzalidar> is it in universe?
[08:32] <Mithrandir> swoon___: try to restart X
[08:32] <nitin> yea
[08:32] <Tzalidar> cool ;()
[08:32] <nitin> try it'
[08:32] <Tzalidar> need to check it out
[08:32] <nitin> yep
[08:33] <Tzalidar> was thinking of building gphpedit ;)
[08:33] <Tzalidar> found on www.gnomefiles.org
[08:34] <swoon___> Mithrandir: in the XF86Config file there is no mention of synaptics... shouldnt it be in there?
[08:35] <SamBozo> anyone get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu with 2.6.8.1-3-k7 kernel ??
[08:35] <nitin> hmmh
[08:35] <nitin> let me look at hat
[08:35] <bborkk> swoon__: Yeah, I think it should be there.
[08:35] <nitin> ug its not in aopt
[08:35] <nitin> apt
[08:36] <bborkk> swoon__: I have a synaptics touchpad on my thinkpad... my XF86Config-4 file reads:
[08:36] <bborkk> Section "InputDevice"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Driver          "synaptics"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
[08:36] <bborkk>         Option          "Protocol"              "auto-dev"
[08:36] <bborkk> EndSection
[08:37] <bborkk> Section "ServerLayout"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	Screen		"Default Screen"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
[08:37] <bborkk> 	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:37] <bborkk> EndSection
[08:37] <bborkk> swoon__: I hope this helps.
[08:38] <nitin> damn gphpedit looks good!
[08:38] <rvirani> anyone know why after I installed ubuntu on my ibook the screen just flickers where I am supposed to get a GDM login?
[08:38] <rvirani> vi works best for editing PHP
[08:39] <rvirani> well vim
[08:39] <Mithrandir> bborkk: is that on the wiki?  If not, could you add it?
[08:39] <rvirani> with syntax highlighting
[08:39] <nitin> ima use alien to convert the rpm
[08:39] <tom1> hi all .... anyone know, how can i mount my usb hdd like user ?
[08:39] <bborkk> rvirani: I think that's a known bug... not sure.  Check bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[08:40] <mario> any have a repository with Ubuntu's packages for mono 1.0.2 ?
[08:40] <swoon____> man my lagged nicks are not pinging out at all...
[08:40] <tom1> /dev/sda1       /media/usb-hd1  ntfs    defaults,noauto,unmask=000  0       0     .....it doesnt work for me
[08:40] <rvirani> bborkk: k thanks
[08:40] <bborkk> Mithrandir: I don't know if it's on the Wiki... where do you suggest to put it?
[08:40] <mhess> ubuntu is too good
[08:41] <GeosB> Hi
[08:41] <swoon___> Mithrandir: odd Im reading a file on a site that explaing how to edit the XF86 config file to add synaptics touchpad, and it has things a bit different than my current config file, for example it say to add Load "synaptics" in the module section, that isnt even there in my file...
[08:41] <Mithrandir> bborkk: under hardware support somewhere.
[08:41] <mhess> the only thing that bothers me with it is the lack of double buffering
[08:41] <GeosB> is there a auto java install to Ubuntu ?
[08:41] <bborkk> Anyone know why the fglrx drivers/configurers don't come with Ubuntu?
[08:41] <rvirani> heh
[08:41] <swoon____> also in my XF86config file it uses "synaptic" where on this wiki it says to use "synaptics" ...
[08:41] <rvirani> ubuntu.org is down I Think
[08:42] <bborkk> Non-fre?
[08:42] <nitin> its ubuntulinux.org
[08:42] <mhess> is there a way to use debian packages with ubuntu?
[08:42] <rvirani> lol
[08:42] <leonel> Eit !     Can I install Ubuntu live CD ?
[08:42] <bborkk> apt-get
[08:42] <rvirani> bugizlla.ubuntu.org is what was given
[08:42] <tom1> its good question  ..... are ati? drivers in kernel ?
[08:42] <goatboy> bborkk: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <Mithrandir> bborkk: they're in restricted.
[08:42] <bborkk> rvirani: That was a bug. :)
[08:42] <mhess> i've been adding debian repositories and it wont read them
[08:42] <nitin> do refresh
[08:43] <nitin> gphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: liblinc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:43] <nitin>  what library is that?
[08:43] <bborkk> goatboy: Thanks.
[08:43] <nitin> or package
[08:43] <nitin> ?
[08:45] <rvirani> I cant find it out of the 120 bugs
[08:45] <rvirani> hrm.
[08:45] <rvirani> mhess: maybe if it worked :E
[08:45] <rvirani> bborkk: i SURE hope they can fix it
[08:45] <rvirani> I bought my ibook to run linux on it
[08:45] <rvirani> gentoo had the same problem.
[08:46] <swoon____> anyone: what modules need to be loaded (showing in lsmod) so that synaptic runs?
[08:47] <nitin> gphpedit: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkscintilla2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:47] <Tzalidar> yeah
[08:47] <nitin> what package do i need guys?
[08:47] <nitin> ?
[08:47] <Tzalidar> you have to download the library
[08:47] <nitin> which
[08:47] <Tzalidar> wait ;)
[08:47] <nitin> i installed libqscintilla3
[08:47] <Tzalidar> http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:47] <Tzalidar> here
[08:47] <Tzalidar> where did you get gphpedit package?
[08:47] <zetor> Hello all!
[08:47] <Tzalidar> what did you think of screem?
[08:48] <Tzalidar> tryingi t out now
[08:48] <nitin> i thought it was ok
[08:48] <rvirani> screen ownz
[08:48] <nitin> but from the screenshots gphpdev looks good for php
[08:48] <nitin> i mean gphpedit
[08:48] <Tzalidar> okay i'm stuck!
[08:48] <Tzalidar> screem ruleZ :)
[08:48] <bborkk> rvirani: Did you actually find the bug on bugzilla?  I'm not certain it's there... just a flicker in my memory.
[08:48] <rvirani> nitin: got a url
[08:49] <rvirani> I heard Eclipse is good for PHP devel but I havent had the time to sit there and learn it
[08:49] <Tzalidar> mm yeah it looks good
[08:49] <nitin> url for what?
[08:49] <Tzalidar> eclipse is cool
[08:49] <rvirani> nitin: gphpdev
[08:49] <Tzalidar> http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:49] <rvirani> Eclipse just reminds me of .NET
[08:49] <Tzalidar> only tarballZ
[08:49] <rvirani> because its overkill for what I need it for
[08:49] <nitin> i ment edit http://www.gphpedit.org/download/
[08:49] <Tzalidar> yeah
[08:50] <Tzalidar> did you build it from source?
[08:50] <tom1> how can i mount my usb hdd like user ? .... only root can does it
[08:50] <Tzalidar> or found a package?
[08:50] <Tzalidar> and i'm still looking for a package creation tutorial
[08:50] <nitin> nop im using alien to convert rpm to dpkg
[08:50] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:50] <nitin> type
[08:50] <nitin> "sudo alient package.rpm"
[08:50] <Tzalidar> alien --to-deb source target
[08:50] <nitin> and it will make the dpkg
[08:50] <Tzalidar> yes i know ;()
[08:50] <nitin> :
[08:50] <nitin> :)
[08:51] <Tzalidar> but im of the impression that it is better to build it from scratch if there is no distribution specific package for it
[08:51] <Tzalidar> does it work then?
[08:51] <nitin> not yet
[08:51] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:51] <Tzalidar> tell me if you get it to work
[08:51] <nitin> still installing packages
[08:51] <Tzalidar> but screem is very cool ;)
[08:51] <rvirani> screem or screen
[08:51] <Tzalidar> screem
[08:51] <Tzalidar> screen is a application for hmm
[08:51] <Tzalidar> like
[08:51] <Tzalidar> you ssh into a box
[08:52] <swoon____> yeay! I got it!! for somereason the line: Load "synaptics" was not in my XFR86config file
[08:52] <Tzalidar> and then you "save" the screen
[08:52] <Tzalidar> so you can start a command
[08:52] <swoon____> where do I need to add psmouse so that it is loaded at boot?
[08:52] <Tzalidar> then ssh back
[08:52] <Tzalidar> and have the same "screen"
[08:52] <swoon____> module...
[08:52] <Tzalidar> /etc/modules
[08:52] <swoon____> thank you
[08:53] <stianh> the installer for Ubuntu, is it the new installer for debian?
[08:53] <Tzalidar> hmm that's what i loved with gentoo ;)
[08:54] <Tzalidar> you have all the packages in emerge
[08:54] <nitin> hey i got it working Tzalidar
[08:54] <Tzalidar> like gphpedit is there
[08:54] <Tzalidar> w00t ;)
[08:54] <Tzalidar> how?
[08:54] <nitin> but it doesnt lok so good
[08:54] <nitin> ..
[08:54] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:54] <nitin> the fonts are all screwy
[08:54] <Tzalidar> ill stick with screen
[08:54] <swoon____> thanks everyone Im going into X
[08:54] <nitin> u cant read jack
[08:54] <Tzalidar> okay
[08:54] <nitin> and the left panel has a horizantal bar
[08:54] <Tzalidar> stianh: yup
[08:54] <nitin> which is gay
[08:54] <nitin> lol
[08:54] <Tzalidar> :D
[08:55] <stianh> Tzalidar, mkay. thanks :)
[08:55] <Tzalidar> np ;)
[08:55] <stianh> just working on my article :)
[08:55] <Tzalidar> or that depend on what you think of "new"
[08:55] <Tzalidar> it has been used in the netinstaller installation of sarge since januari AFAIK
[08:55] <stianh> well, fairly new :)
[08:55] <Tzalidar> yup ;)
[08:55] <Tzalidar> but it is the new debian installer
[08:55] <zetor> nitin:gay?
[08:55] <Tzalidar> and it rocks! ;)
[08:55] <nitin> lol
[08:56] <nitin> im talking about gphpedit
[08:56] <Tzalidar> nitin: now you have to explain yourself ;)
[08:56] <nitin> lol
[08:56] <zetor> nitin:you are?
[08:56] <nitin> as i said the fonts are messed up
[08:56] <stianh> yeah, I was amazed at how easy it was to install Ubuntu (which would make it easy to install debian :P)
[08:56] <nitin> shh
[08:56] <nitin> lol
[08:56] <Tzalidar> nitin: now you have to explain how a computer program becomes gay ;)
[08:56] <stianh> lol
[08:56] <nitin> lol
[08:56] <zetor> nitin:LOL
[08:57] <Tzalidar> or what kind of sexuality a computer program has?
[08:57] <nitin> im watching the 2nd presidential debate
[08:57] <nitin> i recoreded it on tivo
[08:57] <nitin> lol
[08:57] <nitin> bush just said "i saw rumors on the internets"
[08:57] <nitin> LOL
[08:57] <Tzalidar> :D
[08:57] <nitin> that guy is a jackass i tell u
[08:58] <Tzalidar> bush is so clever ;)
[08:58] <nitin> he dont know wtf he says
[08:58] <Tzalidar> i cant believe how a person that intelligent can run a country
[08:58] <Tzalidar> so funny seing him at press conferences
[08:58] <nitin> the only argument he has is that "he knows what it takes"
[08:58] <Tzalidar> he doesn't get any hard questions :)
[08:59] <nitin> lol 
[08:59] <nitin> man kerry is so much smarter
[08:59] <nitin> lol
[08:59] <nitin> its sad really
[08:59] <nitin> he  better win
[08:59] <nitin> we cant have the ape run our country again
[08:59] <Tzalidar> yeah ;) although not mine country
[08:59] <Tzalidar> im from sweden
[09:00] <nitin> lol
[09:00] <nitin> k
[09:00] <Tzalidar> whats so lol about sweden
[09:00] <Tzalidar> ;)
[09:00] <nitin> just just that u said its not my country
[09:00] <nitin> :)
[09:00] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[09:00] <nitin> :)
[09:00] <Tzalidar> gphpedit looks really promising
[09:01] <stianh> Norway is worse, we have some guy kissing ass to your ape!
[09:01] <zetor> Tzalidar: sweden ja...:-)
[09:01] <Tzalidar> i'm sure it will evolve into a great app
[09:01] <Tzalidar> zetor: ;)
[09:01] <nitin> lol
[09:01] <zetor> Tzalidar: Skl!
[09:01] <Tzalidar> zetor: Japp! :)
[09:02] <zetor> Zalidar::-)
[09:02] <stianh> ffr gjr dom p detta viset?
[09:02] <nitin> LOL bush just asked charlie if his time was up
[09:02] <nitin> what a dumass
[09:02] <Tzalidar> :D
[09:02] <Tzalidar> bush is so entertaining
[09:02] <nitin> yea
[09:03] <nitin> que divertido
[09:03] <Tzalidar> he doesn't get hard questions on the interviews
[09:03] <Tzalidar> but he still cant use them
[09:03] <nitin> (what fun in spanish)
[09:03] <panzar> 64bit support in ubuntu?
[09:03] <Tzalidar> spanish?
[09:03] <SamBozo> Can anyone help get vmware workstation 4.5.2 vmware-config.pl to compile it's modules on ubuntu warty with 2.6.8.1-3-k7 kernel ??
[09:04] <Tzalidar> darn, i had DMA disabled on my cdrom
[09:04] <nitin> LOL he said "i have a plan to increase the wetlands by 3 million" 3 million wtf? horses? cows? money?
[09:05] <nitin> (he ment acres i guess)
[09:05] <Tzalidar> :D
[09:06] <zetor> nitin: sure he ment money...:-)!
[09:06] <nitin> he supports a hydrogen car
[09:06] <nitin> lol
[09:06] <Tzalidar> remember kids! dont enable dma while your cd drive is in use ;)
[09:06] <Tzalidar> i did
[09:06] <panzar> and?
[09:06] <Tzalidar> ;)
[09:06] <zetor> just kiddin...
[09:06] <Tzalidar> well, i was reading from it
[09:06] <Tzalidar> and now some applications hung ;)
[09:07] <Tzalidar> hmm i think i'll have to reboot
[09:07] <Tzalidar> cant eject the cd tray
[09:07] <Tzalidar> brb
[09:08] <nitin> lol
[09:08] <nitin> nitin
[09:08] <nitin> aww
[09:08] <Tzalidar> i cant log out either :)
[09:08] <nitin> lol
[09:08] <nitin> force it
[09:08] <nitin> lol
[09:08] <nitin> sudo reboot ~_~
[09:11] <bborkk> Mithrandir: Hm, I can't edit the HardwareSupport page (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport).  Any suggestions?
[09:12] <Tzalidar> i'm back ;)
[09:12] <nitin> hey how do i set up java
[09:12] <Tzalidar> lol :)
[09:12] <Tzalidar> easy
[09:12] <nitin> the java compiler and all
[09:12] <Tzalidar> go to sun
[09:12] <nitin> k
[09:12] <Tzalidar> download jdk-1.5.0
[09:13] <Tzalidar> chmod +x
[09:13] <Tzalidar> the installtion file
[09:13] <Tzalidar> preferably
[09:13] <Tzalidar> you change your dir to
[09:13] <Tzalidar> /usr/java
[09:13] <nitin> k
[09:13] <Tzalidar> before installing
[09:13] <Tzalidar> then it gets extracted
[09:13] <Tzalidar> den you add the environment variables
[09:13] <Tzalidar> and youre all set! :)
[09:14] <bulvine> can someone tell me the command to mount a SATA ntfs partition?
[09:14] <Tzalidar> hmm i should have dma on my cdrom, right?
[09:16] <nitin> lol i cant find jdk on sun.com
[09:16] <nitin> am i at the wrong site
[09:16] <Tzalidar> bulvine: mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sdx /mnt/windows
[09:16] <Tzalidar> java.sun.com
[09:16] <Tzalidar> its to the right
[09:16] <Tzalidar> where x is your drive followed by partition number
[09:17] <Tzalidar> e.g. /dev/sda1
[09:18] <fughidabo> hola
[09:18] <fughidabo> can anyone offer some quick support?
[09:18] <Tzalidar> just ask
[09:18] <bulvine> AHHHH   I dont knopw the root pw
[09:18] <Tzalidar> it's because it is scrambled
[09:18] <Tzalidar> sudo
[09:18] <Tzalidar> sudo and then mount
[09:18] <Tzalidar> when asked for pass
[09:18] <Tzalidar> type in your user pass
[09:19] <nic__> hi. I'm having trouble compiling wine, can anyone help?
[09:19] <Tzalidar> you can enable root
[09:19] <fughidabo> I downloaded the installation CD (warty-i386.iso) and tried to install ubuntu this morning - I get to the splash screen (that allows you to press F1 for help, or start the install) - after I press enter some stuff gets loaded...but I get a nice black screen
[09:20] <fughidabo> so I never see the initial installation screen
[09:20] <nic__> getting the error:  bitblt.c:27:27: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory...then various others. I assume it means I'm missing a package I need, but can you advise me what it could be?
[09:21] <bulvine> I dont ever remember setting up a root PW in ubun tu
[09:21] <Tzalidar> that is because ubuntu uses sudo for administrative tasks
[09:21] <nitin> would j2sdk-1_4_2 work?
[09:21] <fughidabo> i tried to disable some of the installation options specified in the help section with no luck
[09:21] <Tzalidar> yes, but i recommend you to use 1.5
[09:21] <nitin> its a self extracting bin
[09:21] <Tzalidar> since it is stable ;)
[09:21] <nitin> mm
[09:21] <Tzalidar> and it is much better than 1_4
[09:21] <bulvine> tza   it wont let me map unless im logged in as root
[09:22] <Tzalidar> just type
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo <command>
[09:22] <fughidabo> are there any reasons as to why the installation will not start?
[09:22] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:22] <Tzalidar> when asked for password
[09:22] <Tzalidar> just type your user password
[09:23] <bulvine> mount point does not exist
[09:23] <Tzalidar> yes
[09:23] <Tzalidar> you first need to create /mnt/windows
[09:23] <Tzalidar> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[09:23] <Tzalidar> or whatever dir that you want to mount the ntfs partition in
[09:25] <bulvine> mount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist
[09:25] <fughidabo> is it possible that the installation cd is not communicating with my ati 9800 pro???
[09:26] <nitin> yes
[09:26] <nitin> lol
[09:26] <nitin> those chipsets dont usually just work
[09:26] <nitin> u have to sethtem up
[09:26] <nitin> set them *
[09:26] <nitin> those are really new'
[09:26] <nitin> :)
[09:26] <nitin> just like me radeon 9700 pro
[09:26] <fughidabo> ok so what install options would you recommend so i can get it going?
[09:26] <nitin> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:26] <nitin> uh
[09:27] <nitin> dunno
[09:27] <nitin> i havent installed ubuntu on my desktop ye
[09:27] <fughidabo> oh
[09:27] <nitin> tbut that is the page after u install ubuntu
[09:27] <nitin> to set up ur card
[09:27] <nitin> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:27] <fughidabo> lol well that doesnt help 
[09:27] <nitin> but
[09:27] <Tzalidar> bulvine: /dev/sda1 is just an example
[09:27] <nitin> that makes no sense
[09:27] <mhess> are there good drivers for the Rage Pro 128?
[09:27] <nitin> the installer
[09:27] <nitin> the installer isnt in X
[09:27] <mhess> the "r128" driver is flakey
[09:27] <Tzalidar> bulvine: where does your ntfs partition lie?
[09:27] <nitin> so how doesnt it not work
[09:27] <fughidabo> yeah..it just goes to a blank screen :-/
[09:27] <nitin> hmm
[09:27] <nitin> thts just weird
[09:28] <nitin> hmm
[09:28] <nitin> check the options u can pass
[09:28] <Tzalidar> that is really strange
[09:28] <nitin> try the
[09:28] <nitin> no acipic
[09:28] <nitin> option
[09:28] <Tzalidar> i can install with my radeon9700
[09:28] <nitin> and the
[09:28] <fughidabo> ive tried several of them with no success
[09:28] <nitin> smp
[09:28] <jacob> Is there a howto on how to install the NVidia binary driver?
[09:28] <nitin> one
[09:28] <Tzalidar> yep
[09:28] <nitin> hmm
[09:28] <Tzalidar> jacob: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:29] <jacob> Tzalidar, thanks
[09:30] <fughidabo> what is also wierd is taht the LiveCD works perfectly....but the installer doesnt :-/
[09:30] <nitin> weird
[09:30] <bulvine> AHHH  permission denied
[09:30] <Tzalidar> jacob: glad to help ;)
[09:30] <Tzalidar> bulvine: what now?
[09:31] <bulvine> when I try to access the folder Windows it tell me access denied
[09:31] <Tzalidar> did you give it the option "umask=0" ?
[09:31] <Tzalidar> umount /mnt/win
[09:31] <bulvine> umm no    I took that out cause I kept getting an error when I used it
[09:31] <Tzalidar> ok
[09:31] <coe> Hi. I just installed Ubuntu and have a question. How do I get the Gnome sound to work?
[09:31] <bulvine> my bad
[09:32] <bulvine> unmount /mnt/windows
[09:32] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,user,exec /dev/sdx /mnt/windows
[09:32] <Tzalidar> umount
[09:32] <Tzalidar> not unmount
[09:32] <bulvine> uppsss  no in the terminal  :)
[09:32] <coe> The sound in Totem works when i play MP3s and videos
[09:32] <bulvine> DOH!   my bad again
[09:33] <bulvine> ok  unmounted
[09:33] <Tzalidar> coe: i alltso had some trouble with that, although i dont remember exactly how i solved it :/
[09:33] <bulvine> had to use sudo again
[09:33] <Tzalidar> oh, i forgot ;)
[09:34] <coe> Tzalidar: That's too bad :-( I'll keep working on it.
[09:34] <Tzalidar> coe: do you use alsA?
[09:34] <coe> Tzalidar, Yes
[09:34] <bulvine> this worked  but lost access sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:35] <Tzalidar> that mount is dangerous
[09:35] <Tzalidar> because then you have write access
[09:35] <Tzalidar> and ntfs write is very unstable
[09:35] <bulvine> I need to write
[09:35] <Tzalidar> coe: install libesd-alsa0
[09:35] <Tzalidar> and then you need to change some keys in gconf
[09:36] <Tzalidar> bug begin with installing that
[09:36] <bulvine> I have a driver  "mpegport.sys causeing my XP to keep restarting.  I need to rename the file so it doesnt get loaded
[09:36] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:36] <bulvine> other wise its reloaded time again
[09:36] <coe> Tzalidar, I'll try that. Thanks
[09:36] <[photon] > has anyone had any luck with installing x.org on ubuntu?
[09:36] <bulvine> I have reload time
[09:36] <bulvine> have= hate
[09:36] <Tzalidar> oh, a nasty reboot loop
[09:37] <Tzalidar> a friend of mine had one once
[09:37] <bulvine> yeah  MS strikes again
[09:37] <Tzalidar> and it got fixed by nuking the registry
[09:37] <Tzalidar> and then inserting one from a restore point
[09:37] <bulvine> dam decrypter drivers
[09:37] <swim> ah is there anyway to get nautilus to show full paths, and to show a toolbar with go up one level and regular stuff like that?
[09:37] <Tzalidar> i recommend
[09:37] <Tzalidar> that you use the repair console
[09:37] <Tzalidar> since i'm not sure how safe ntfs write is
[09:37] <almostlucky> Is there somewhere I can get a lame package? I want to encode to mp3, and sound juicer tells me I do not have the encoder installed
[09:37] <zugzwang> anyone managed to get wine compiled? It complains at a lack of "X11/Intrinsic.h" for me - and I don't know what package that header is in
[09:38] <bulvine> I would but XP doesnt work in repair mode with my SATA drive
[09:38] <Tzalidar> coe: tell me when you have installed that
[09:38] <Tzalidar> bulvine :/
[09:38] <bulvine> all i was to do is rename or delete that file
[09:38] <Tzalidar> why not encode to ogg :)
[09:38] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:38] <coe> Tzalidar, Done. It removed "libesd0" in the process
[09:38] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:39] <Tzalidar> applications->system tools->config editor
[09:39] <Tzalidar> i have swedish translation so im not 100% sure about the path :)
[09:39] <bulvine> if Linux supported my Capture card and had better DVD creating software I wouldnt need Windows at all
[09:39] <coe> Tzalidar, Okay.. I have danish
[09:40] <coe> Tzalidar, Okay, i'm in there.
[09:40] <bborkk> Where's tuxracer?  apt-get install tuxracer says that it can't find the package. 
[09:40] <Tzalidar> coe: hmm come to think of it, i think i only downloaded that
[09:40] <Tzalidar> coe: and then i changed the gstreamer keys
[09:41] <Tzalidar> coe: search for "osssink"
[09:41] <Tzalidar> change osssink to alsasink
[09:41] <bulvine> so tza   is there a way to access file and rename it?
[09:42] <Tzalidar> bulvine: you could mount your ntfs partition with -o rw
[09:42] <Tzalidar> then you could rename the file
[09:42] <Tzalidar> or delete it
[09:42] <Tzalidar> but i'm not sure how stable ntfs write is
[09:42] <bulvine> worth a shot since its dead now anyways
[09:42] <bulvine> whats the command line on that again?
[09:42] <Tzalidar> okay ;) good luck! :)
[09:42] <Tzalidar> to mount?
[09:43] <Tzalidar> or to rename the file?
[09:43] <coe> Tzalidar, I have a key named esdsink.. SHould I change that
[09:43] <bulvine> yes sir
[09:43] <Tzalidar> or to delete de file?
[09:43] <Tzalidar> yes
[09:43] <Tzalidar> you should rename it to alsa
[09:43] <bulvine> umm  both would be good   :)
[09:43] <Tzalidar> alsasink
[09:43] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:43] <bulvine> cuz you duh man
[09:43] <Tzalidar> sudo rm /mnt/windows/<path to file>/<file
[09:43] <Tzalidar> removes <file
[09:44] <Tzalidar> sudo mv /mnt/windows/<pathtofile>/<file /mnt/windows/pathtofile>/<someohterfile>
[09:44] <Tzalidar> renames <file to <someotherfile>
[09:44] <joh_> is gst_plugin_get_list removed in 0.8?
[09:44] <Tzalidar> coe: you may have to restart alsa or esound or something
[09:44] <joh_> wrong channel, sorry
[09:45] <Tzalidar> nitin: how is java going?
[09:45] <coe> Tzalidar, I have changed the key.. Restarting ALSA as we speak
[09:46] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:46] <Tzalidar> i think that it was that i did to get gnome sounds working
[09:46] <Tzalidar> or at least totem sound working
[09:46] <bulvine> do i need to mount something again
[09:46] <Tzalidar> you need to mount your windows partition
[09:47] <Tzalidar> coe: i think that you need to relogin from gdm
[09:47] <bulvine> cmd?
[09:47] <Tzalidar> coe: or restart esound somehow
[09:47] <bulvine> pretty please
[09:47] <Tzalidar> sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,user,exec /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:47] <Tzalidar> if mounted, sudo umount /mnt/windows
[09:48] <Tzalidar> maybe exec is unneccesary
[09:48] <Tzalidar> you could rename the file with nautilus also
[09:49] <bulvine> gettin that permission erro with that one again
[09:50] <Tzalidar> hmm
[09:50] <Tzalidar> adding user as a option should give you permissions on it
[09:51] <Tzalidar> :D
[09:51] <Tzalidar> calm down
[09:51] <Tzalidar> have you successfully mounted the ntfs partition?
[09:52] <bborkk> Don't worry... he won't need the PC.  I think Ubuntu runs on his abacus.
[09:52] <bulvine> I tired to mount it and got tyhe permission error
[09:52] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:53] <Tzalidar> hmm but if you sudo it you have permission to mount it
[09:53] <Tzalidar> strange...
[09:53] <Tzalidar> have you unmounted it
[09:53] <Tzalidar> coe: did you get gnome sounds?
[09:53] <coe> Tzalidar, That worked perfect.. Thank you :-)
[09:53] <bulvine> yes  per your prior instructions
[09:53] <Tzalidar> coe: glad to help ;)
[09:53] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:53] <Tzalidar> so: ls /mnt/windows
[09:53] <Moof> I'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading the bluetooth module at startup
[09:53] <bulvine> I get the good problems
[09:53] <Tzalidar> returns nothing
[09:53] <Tzalidar> hold on a sec
[09:55] <sivang> does anybody know how to duplicate CD in GNOME?
[09:55] <Tzalidar> try this: sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,users,umask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[09:55] <Tzalidar> do you get the permissions error when you try to mount it?
[09:55] <Tzalidar> or when you try to delete/rename the file?
[09:56] <coe> I'm really impressed with Ubuntu. If they keep it up it see great things ahead for this distro
[09:56] <Tzalidar> ;)
[09:56] <Tzalidar> i am also very impressed by it
[09:56] <Tzalidar> sleek default interface
[09:56] <Tzalidar> with /home on panel and stuff
[09:56] <Tzalidar> trash can in bottom right corner :)
[09:57] <bulvine> mount :  special device .dev/sd1 does not exist
[09:57] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:57] <Moof> bulvine: /dev/sd1
[09:57] <Tzalidar> bulvine: it needs to be /dev/sda1
[09:57] <coe> Yes.. It's near perfect and the fact that it's Debian based is just the icing on the cake
[09:57] <bulvine> mount :  special device /dev/sd1 does not exist   (type o )
[09:57] <Tzalidar> bulvine: type /dev/sda1
[09:58] <Tzalidar> /dev/sda1 means
[09:58] <Tzalidar> "first partition on the first SATA drive
[09:58] <bulvine> onm  says already mounted or is busy
[09:58] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:58] <Tzalidar> ls /mnt/windows
[09:58] <Tzalidar> does that give you output?
[09:58] <bulvine> permission denied
[09:59] <Tzalidar> sudo ls /mnt/windows
[09:59] <bulvine> I PC wont put out   :)
[09:59] <Tzalidar> sudo umount /mnt/windows
[09:59] <Tzalidar> note: umount, not unmount
[09:59] <Moof> anyone know how the modules startup sequence wrok? I'm tryign to avoid ubuntu loading a bluetooth module that oopses itt
[10:00] <bulvine> oo oo  mister kotter  that gave me a list
[10:01] <Tzalidar> bulvine: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/windows
[10:01] <Tzalidar> mount it
[10:02] <tortoise__> totem keeps giving me the error 'could not get/set settings from/on resource, anyone know why??
[10:02] <bulvine> read only file system
[10:02] <Tzalidar> sudo cd /mnt/windows
[10:03] <bulvine> sudo CD command unknown
[10:03] <Tzalidar> w00t
[10:03] <Tzalidar> cd with small letters
[10:03] <bulvine> was small
[10:04] <toyowheelin> bulvine, sudo su than do the operations
[10:04] <Tzalidar> good one :)
[10:04] <Tzalidar> i didnt know that one ;)
[10:05] <Tzalidar> sudo su
[10:05] <Tzalidar> umount /mnt/windows
[10:05] <x4m> sudo su -
[10:05] <tortoise__> sudo -s
[10:05] <Tzalidar> mount -t ntfs -o rw,umask=0,user /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[10:05] <Tzalidar> i cant belive that ms doesnt have a repair that work with sata
[10:06] <Tzalidar> how can they get away with that?
[10:06] <bulvine> in in the folder and I see the file
[10:06] <toyowheelin> chkdsk
[10:06] <toyowheelin> Tzalidar, 
[10:06] <Tzalidar> yeah?
[10:06] <toyowheelin> chkdsk dont work on sata?
[10:06] <guptan> can ubuntu live cd used for installation of ubuntu?
[10:07] <bulvine> tza,  how do I now rename or delete the file while I am in the folder?
[10:07] <Tzalidar> mv file newfilename
[10:07] <Tzalidar> renames the file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> rm file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> removes the file
[10:07] <Tzalidar> i dunno, bulvine says that the win repair console wont work with sata
[10:08] <toyowheelin> humm i need a sata drave 
[10:08] <toyowheelin> lol'
[10:08] <bulvine> AHAHH  read only    ITS KILLING ME
[10:08] <Tzalidar> hmm perhaps that means that ntfs write support isnt compiled in the kernel
[10:09] <toyowheelin> yeah
[10:09] <Tzalidar> because it is experimental
[10:09] <paxetil> ubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?
[10:09] <bulvine> I knew I should have loaded SUSE
[10:09] <bulvine> :)
[10:09] <bulvine> debian hates me
[10:10] <toyowheelin> lol @ bulvine 
[10:10] <Tzalidar> prehaps there is a live cd with ntfs write support?
[10:10] <toyowheelin> linux hates my video card
[10:10] <bulvine> any of you fimilar with emergency boot CD 0.60
[10:11] <toyowheelin> erd commander?
[10:11] <bulvine> I have gotten far enough for it to have much more than the Windows partition
[10:11] <stianh> Hmm, sometimes in firefox when I click on links that I know are supposed to be popups, it just quits. Ubuntu only bug, or should it be submitted to firefox bugzilla?
[10:12] <bulvine> donno about the commander  I just burnt the emergency boot CD   it lets you change passwords and such booted to a linux os
[10:12] <toyowheelin> brb imgonna reboot to ubuntu
[10:12] <bulvine> you ricks taked you
[10:12] <bulvine> taker
[10:12] <bulvine> risk  shhessh
[10:13] <bulvine> OK  tza  this isnt going to work then?
[10:13] <Tzalidar> it sounds like it wont
[10:13] <Tzalidar> because you need to explicitly compile the kernel with ntfs write
[10:13] <Tzalidar> and becuase it is unstable
[10:13] <Tzalidar> prehaps ubuntu team decided not to compile with ntfs write
[10:14] <bulvine> ok   thanks anyway.   WHat would really help I guess would be a Windows XP boot CD with SATA drivers
[10:15] <Tzalidar> yeah
[10:15] <Tzalidar> but isnt it
[10:15] <Tzalidar> like when you boot the winXP install cd
[10:15] <Tzalidar> it says like
[10:15] <paxetil> ubuntu doens't have stable/testing/unstable ? only has warty ?
[10:15] <Tzalidar> "press F2 for raid sata driver"
[10:16] <Tzalidar> i dunno
[10:16] <Tzalidar> but i think it is like that
[10:16] <Tzalidar> do you have the install cd?
[10:17] <bulvine> actually its f6 to load other driver  and it does find the disk I insert and i chose the right driver.  BUt it then hanges when I usee the restore functions.  Its like it looses the driver for hte sata
[10:17] <toyowheelin> ok back
[10:17] <Tzalidar> ok
[10:23] <bulvine> sorry for the delay,  have a poopy diaper than needed changed EEEWWWWW.  Yes I have the install CD
[10:23] <toyowheelin> lol stewie
[10:23] <bulvine> blah
[10:24] <bulvine> ok  im gonna see what damage I can do wit hthe recovery CD
[10:24] <bulvine> brb
[10:25] <hazmat> sweet rml packaged up an inotify kernel patch for ubuntu!
[10:25] <Tzalidar> anyone tried DrPython?
[10:25] <Tzalidar> im looking for a good python ide
[10:26] <punkass> whats a simple Xbased text editor.
[10:26] <punkass> not nano or vi
[10:26] <punkass> a light gui if u will :)
[10:26] <toyowheelin> kwerite kate 
[10:26] <Tzalidar> gedit
[10:26] <toyowheelin> *write
[10:26] <punkass> not depended on kde
[10:26] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:26] <Tzalidar> gedut
[10:27] <Tzalidar> gedit
[10:27] <toyowheelin> <---likes KDE alot
[10:28] <punkass> well this is an old 166 system
[10:28] <toyowheelin> oh
[10:28] <punkass> so lookin for l
[10:28] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:28] <punkass> llight apps
[10:28] <toyowheelin> icewm
[10:28] <punkass> nedit i think will work
[10:28] <punkass> useing xfce
[10:28] <toyowheelin> oh
[10:29] <swim> where are the gnome session properties?
[10:30] <djtansey> i have foomatic cups drivers installed but cups doesn't seem to recognize all the ppds in /usr/share/ppd -- any idea how i get cups to look in those directories?
[10:31] <djtansey> also -- is there a way that i can reenable webbased access to cups?
[10:31] <punkass> lol 30secs to open firefox
[10:31] <toyowheelin> cups dont like the printer at my house
[10:31] <toyowheelin> yes djtansey
[10:32] <djtansey> toyowheelin: thank you. how?
[10:33] <toyowheelin> umm just a sec I gotta find the port its on
[10:34] <toyowheelin> 631?
[10:34] <djtansey> yeah
[10:34] <djtansey> but the access is disabled with ubuntu
[10:34] <djtansey> can't do admin stuff
[10:34] <toyowheelin> djtansey, have you looked at the cupsd config file
[10:36] <djtansey> toyowheelin: yup. nothing obvious -- almost everything is default
[10:36] <toyowheelin> humm
[10:37] <djtansey> but more importantly i am trying to get cups to read my /usr/share/ppd directory -- it was working but i uninstalled and reinstalled cups. now it isn't working
[10:38] <longsleep> anyone knows why libxslt1-python2.3 contains only the docs and not the python module itself?
[10:39] <toyowheelin> djtansey, I have no idea I too cant login to do admin functions
[10:39] <toyowheelin> never thought about it before
[10:39] <arthur> judt type your user password
[10:39] <djtansey> toyowheelin: well -- i'll figure it out someday. i like it as a backup since the gnome cups manager doesn't allow much debugging. 
[10:40] <youknowwho> does anyone know if Ubuntu has support for Zoom modems on PPC?
[10:40] <djtansey> arthur: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[10:40] <toyowheelin> djtansey, I am using KDE and its gor a great printer setup but my printer isnt supported so it dont matter
[10:41] <toyowheelin> *got
[10:41] <djtansey> toyowheelin: yeah. i have a samsung 1740. i don't want to use samsung's funky installer. trying to get the ppd to work regardless
[10:41] <youknowwho> because unless it supports Zoom, then I can't connect to the net...
[10:41] <toyowheelin> <---lexmark x75
[10:41] <toyowheelin> no supprt
[10:42] <punkass> cannon i550  no support :(
[10:42] <djtansey> toyowheelin: ah -- i've seen the x75 before
[10:42] <mario> any probe this Mono packages? http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[10:44] <arthur> ciao enrico
[10:46] <Tzalidar> anyone knows a good python ide?
[10:46] <arthur> enrico u still there?
[10:47] <cardador> Tzalidar: anjuta?
[10:47] <Tzalidar> cardador: does it have python support?
[10:48] <Riddell> kdevelop!
[10:48] <Trevan> Good afternoon.  I'm digging through the ubuntu-users archives while I ask this, but ... can anyone give me some pointers on diagnosing a boot problem with usb.rc?  My system just idles when it reaches that point on a clean install.
[10:48] <cardador> Tzalidar: i think so
[10:49] <cardador> Tzalidar: http://www.anjuta.org/wiki/
[10:50] <longsleep> Tzalidar, boa constructor
[10:50] <lml> Do anybody know what has happened to the MythTV packages in universe?
[10:50] <Tzalidar> cardador: nice ;)
[10:50] <Tzalidar> i like it
[10:50] <Tzalidar> longsleep: boa constructir is more for gui designing, right?
[10:51] <xespilce> is there something like apt-get for ubuntu
[10:51] <Tzalidar> yup ;)
[10:51] <longsleep> Tzalidar, well it has a debugger and such as well
[10:51] <Tzalidar> cool
[10:51] <xespilce> Tzalidar, what is it called?
[10:52] <Tzalidar> longsleep: boa constructor looks cool ;)
[10:53] <Tzalidar> xespilce: you just use it as you would in debian
[10:53] <Tzalidar> xespilce: or you could use the very nice gui synaptic ;)
[10:53] <Tzalidar> located in computer->System configuration->synaptic
[10:53] <longsleep> Tzalidar, also nice is Wing IDE (not free)
[10:53] <longsleep> Tzalidar, and there is Komodo from activestate
[10:53] <Tzalidar> longsleep, okay, boaconstructor looks very powerful ;)
[10:54] <longsleep> Tzalidar, it is and it has becomde fairly stable the last months
[10:54] <xespilce> omg
[10:54] <Tzalidar> okay
[10:54] <Tzalidar> i tried dr python
[10:54] <Tzalidar> but it wouldn't start
[10:54] <Tzalidar> longsleep, are you good at python?
[10:55] <longsleep> Tzalidar, hehe i usually write working code *g*
[10:55] <Tzalidar> longsleep, :)
[10:55] <Tzalidar> longsleep, im reading diveintopython(online), and i think python is very cool
[10:56] <longsleep> indeed .. and its diveintopython is a good book
[10:56] <Tzalidar> longsleep, wow boa constructor is really cool :)
[10:57] <longsleep> Tzalidar, btw .. boa is written in python itself
[10:57] <hazmat> eric is better ;-)
[10:57] <hazmat> hi longsleep
[10:57] <longsleep> hazmat, hey hazmat :)
[10:57] <longsleep> hazmat, kicked your osx?
[10:58] <Tzalidar> longsleep, yeah i know ;)
[10:58] <hazmat> longsleep i've been dual booting osx/gentoo for a while.. kicked gentoo ;-)
[10:58] <hazmat> i had to use osx at the conference to get the external monitor support going for presentations.
[10:58] <longsleep> hazmat, ahh thats not workin on linux?
[10:59] <Tzalidar> wow, im hooked with boa ;)
[10:59] <hazmat> longsleep not with powerbooks, not yet.. in the future it might work with xorg
[10:59] <enrico> arthur: ciao
[10:59] <longsleep> hazmat, i hope we will get xorg in ubuntu soon
[10:59] <enrico> arthur: sorry, I was not looking at the client
[10:59] <hazmat> i'm eager for the mono packages, and playing with dashboard/beagle
[10:59] <Trevan> Does anyone here have experience in dealing with boot-up problems in usb.rc?  My system idles when I reach that point.
[11:00] <longsleep> hazmat, there are mono packages
[11:00] <arthur> enrico do you seak italian?
[11:00] <hazmat> longsleep not really
[11:00] <hazmat> longsleep not for ppc
[11:00] <longsleep> ahh ok
[11:00] <longsleep> that might be
[11:01] <longsleep> but look at deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[11:01] <enrico> arthur: in fact, I do :)
[11:01] <hazmat> and the beagle/dashboard stuff needs a kernel patch for inotify, and several packages from cvs (evolution-csharp, dbus-csharp)
[11:01] <arthur> for me it's just the same
[11:01] <hazmat> Tzalidar, the best free ide for python imo.. http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html
[11:02] <hazmat> Tzalidar, its written in pyqt
[11:02] <arthur> trying ubunto since a couple of weeks and I'm excited about it
[11:03] <lml> I want to install Mplayer and MythTV, what is the best way to do this on Ubuntu?
[11:03] <hazmat> longsleep those are binary only packages, i talked tseng bout it yesterday.
[11:03] <arthur> enrico sei ancora li?,''''
[11:04] <Tzalidar> hazmat: sleek interface
[11:04] <longsleep> hazmat, they are working nice on i386
[11:04] <hazmat> Tzalidar, mondo functionality.. class diagrams, svn integration, qt-designer, gui unit tester, etc, etc. ;-)
[11:04] <enrico> arthur: Yes, but this is not an italian speaking channel
[11:04] <Zomb> bug report from a friend - there are no good development tools in Ubuntu (he wants an IDE)
[11:04] <hazmat> the ui is cluttered though
[11:04] <Zomb> the most recommended ANJUTA is not there
[11:05] <hazmat> Zomb, its in universe
[11:05] <arthur> I know I don'y want to be banned
[11:05] <Tzalidar> Zomb, anjuta is on the cd
[11:05] <cardador> Zomb: i am using it now!
[11:05] <Zomb> Tzalidar: not the the one that we downloaded 2..3 weeks ago, and apparently not in the archive
[11:05] <Zomb> cardador: his apt-get said - no such package!
[11:05] <Tzalidar> Zomb, strange
[11:06] <arthur> Not sure how all this irc thing works to be honest
[11:06] <cardador> Zomb: you need to add universe to sources.list
[11:06] <Tzalidar> hazmat, it looks like THE ide for qt/python development ;)
[11:06] <Zomb> cardador: but it is infinite!
[11:06] <cardador> ??
[11:06] <Zomb> what is universe?
[11:07] <Tzalidar> hazmat, although right now i am a gtk person :)
[11:07] <arthur> enrico: how many ungoing chat do you have on? :-)
[11:07] <cardador> Zomb: in synaptic go to settings>repositories
[11:07] <hazmat> Tzalidar, you can do non qt development with it as well... its just better integrated for it... 
[11:07] <hazmat> Tzalidar, in that case there is a nice commercial ide.. wingide.com
[11:07] <Zomb> cardador: that it is not documented well. I cannot see any hint on the web pages
[11:07] <cardador> Zomb: then put a tick on a line that has main restricted universe 
[11:08] <Zomb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[11:08] <cardador> Zomb: then put a tick on a line that has "main restricted universe" 
[11:08] <Zomb> tells how crap it is to get Debian package but no mention of any other "compatible" sources
[11:08] <enrico> arthur: quite a while, plus some important mail to send =:-|
[11:08] <Tzalidar> hazmat, yeah i know
[11:08] <enrico> arthur: can I do something for you?
[11:08] <Zomb> cardador: which line? where?
[11:08] <Tzalidar> hazmat, what are your opinions on qt versus gtk
[11:09] <cardador> Zomb: are you on settings->repositories
[11:09] <cardador> ?
[11:09] <Tzalidar> hazmat, im don't know that much about licensing
[11:09] <arthur> enrico: are you familiar with airport?
[11:09] <Zomb> cardador: I am not there, it was support via telephone. He did not find it. So I must assume that it is hidden well enough.
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: No, I'm not a MAC user
[11:10] <arthur> may be somebody on this chat is... :-)
[11:10] <cardador> Zomb: go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: and I seldom use wireless on a PC anyway
[11:10] <enrico> arthur: I'm pretty sure plenty of people here use MACs
[11:10] <Tzalidar> hmm, why did they make boa not use the system gtk theme?
[11:11] <arthur> enrico: I guess that's the end of he story than, thankkkks 
[11:11] <enrico> arthur: sorry for not having been too helpful.  Toc Toc?  MAC users around?
[11:11] <arthur> Anybody out here that owns a mac?
[11:11] <arthur> A mac with airport
[11:12] <djtansey> anyone here know how to access cups admin though localhost:631? (reenabling it)
[11:13] <Zomb> cardador: he says he cannot see anything called universe
[11:13] <Tzalidar> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <Zomb> Tzalidar: haha, and then?
[11:14] <Tzalidar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[11:14] <Tzalidar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[11:14] <Tzalidar> make sure that you have those two lines
[11:14] <Tzalidar> then apt-get update
[11:14] <Zomb> Tzalidar: is it in the synaptics menu somewhere or not?
[11:14] <Zomb> should I really tell him that?
[11:14] <Zomb> is it on some web page to copy&paste?
[11:14] <Tzalidar> Zomb: yes
[11:14] <arthur> tzalidar: sudo nano /etc/apt/sourccccccccccccccces.,list to modify parameters
[11:14] <Zomb> Tzalidar: he says no
[11:14] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:14] <Tzalidar> listen to arthur ;)
[11:14] <Zomb> he opened the package sources menu in synaptics and there is no such thing
[11:15] <Tzalidar> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <hazmat> Tzalidar, for cross platform, devel i prefer wx. gtk and qt have better object models, qt has the nicer object model imo. gtk works well for linux and windows apps, programming gtk in c is painful imho. license wise, you can use qt for osx and linux apps for free, it has nice tool support (kdevelop/qt-linguist/qt-designer).. gtk has glade, but part of thats style preference for auto generated code vs. loading ui models at runtime.
[11:15] <Tzalidar> (oon the command line
[11:15] <tortoise__> djtansey:edit the permissions in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf 
[11:15] <spiv> Zomb: The lines needed in /etc/apt/sources.list should already be there, just commented out.  He needs tuo uncomment them, and update his package list.
[11:15] <Zomb> people, come one, it is not about editing stuff
[11:15] <djtansey> tortoise: i have looked at cupsd.conf -- do you know where? 
[11:15] <Zomb> NOT EDIT
[11:15] <lml> What is the easiest way to get Mplayer and MythTV under Ubuntu?
[11:15] <Zomb> he wants to click
[11:15] <Tzalidar> hazmat, thanks for the informant awnser ;)
[11:15] <cardador> Zomb: do you know what is synaptic??
[11:16] <Zomb> cardador: ?? I just said, he opened it but there is nothign about "Universe"
[11:16] <cardador> Zomb: open synaptic, then on its menu, go to settings
[11:16] <cardador> Zomb: then, repositories
[11:16] <cardador> then uncomment the 4th line and comment the 2nd
[11:17] <cardador> Zomb: press ok, then press reload
[11:17] <Zomb> he says he found the one line with "restricted"
[11:17] <Zomb> I told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line
[11:18] <Zomb> but there was nothing with universe
[11:18] <Tzalidar> hazmat, now im just goofing around with some ide instead of learning myself python :)
[11:18] <Tzalidar> hazmat, but i guess that's me ;)
[11:18] <cardador> Zomb: just put a tick on the 4th line!
[11:18] <Tzalidar> i love playing around with different applications
[11:18] <cardador> Zomb: it has universe
[11:18] <WW_> Zomb: Take a look at the first three steps here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:19] <Zomb> cardador: he says there was nothing with universe and I believe him. Basta.
[11:19] <arthur> Tzalidar: that's an excellent recipiee for disater :-)
[11:19] <Tzalidar> yeah ;)
[11:19] <hazmat> Tzalidar, if you want just get to work on learning the language, use emacs or vim ;-)  and read the language tutorial on python.org
[11:19] <Tzalidar> :)
[11:19] <Tzalidar> im reading diveintopython.org right now
[11:19] <cardador> Zomb: strange, but just tell him to write "universe" after "main restricted"
[11:19] <arthur> tzalidar: is it good?,'
[11:20] <Zomb> cardador: <Zomb> I told him to edit and put restricted to the end of line
[11:20] <Zomb> and also universe, of course
[11:20] <Tzalidar> arthur, yeah
[11:20] <spiv> Zomb: You should've said ;)
[11:20] <cardador> Zomb: so its all good now
[11:20] <arthur> tzalidar: what is it for?
[11:21] <Tzalidar> arthur, diveintopython ?
[11:21] <arthur> :)
[11:21] <Tzalidar> it is for learning python :)
[11:21] <arthur> yeah?,
[11:22] <arthur> once you know python? :-)
[11:22] <Tzalidar> hmm
[11:22] <Tzalidar> i dunno
[11:22] <Tzalidar> i think that the book has a quite high level
[11:22] <arthur> wish we could make some money with all this knowledge :-(
[11:22] <Tzalidar> although i have not programmed much except some php before, i think that i understand the book somewhat
[11:22] <spiv> diveintopython is more-or-less aimed at people who already know how to program, but in other launguages.
[11:22] <spiv> (iirc)
[11:23] <Tzalidar> iirc?
[11:23] <arthur> spiv: thanks
[11:23] <Tzalidar> spiv: can you recommend a python tutorial for n00bs?
[11:23] <Trevan> That'd be "if I recall correctly" I think.
[11:23] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[11:24] <Trevan> Does anyone know either (a) where a buildist might be describing the differences between the different daily ISOs, or (b) if the more recent dailies have a newer kernel than the main release?
[11:24] <Trevan> I'm sort of swinging at a USB problem with a baseball bat, here.
[11:25] <coe> Tzalidar, http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ "how to think like a computer scientist"
[11:26] <coe> Tzalidar, That's a good Python tutorial for nonprogrammers
[11:26] <Tzalidar> coe: thanks :)
[11:27] <coe> Tzalidar, Or this one http://honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/
[11:28] <Tzalidar> coe, are you good at python?
[11:28] <coe> Tzalidar, But the first one is better IMO
[11:28] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:28] <Tzalidar> although everyone say that diveintopython is for people who already know programming
[11:28] <coe> Tzalidar, I'm a beginner too.. Been playing with for a couple of months
[11:29] <Tzalidar> or perhaps not everyone (now im sounding like a 3year old ;)
[11:29] <Tzalidar> i think it is quite good
[11:29] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:29] <Tzalidar> coe, i wanna learn python so i can do some dev to make linux easier for people
[11:29] <Tzalidar> that sounds really clichee ;)
[11:30] <coe> Tzalidar, Python is very good for "small" projects like that, assuming that people have Python installed of course
[11:31] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:31] <Tzalidar> coe, what ide do you use?
[11:31] <coe> Tzalidar, but most distros come with python so that usually not a problem
[11:31] <Tzalidar> yeah
[11:31] <Tzalidar> python has really become like, a de facto standard linux language
[11:31] <coe> Tzalidar, I just Komodo, in both Windows and Linux. It's not free though
[11:32] <lml> What is the best way to get Mplayer under Ubuntu?
[11:32] <spiv> Tzalidar: I hear thinkcspy.org is good ("Thinking like a Computer Scientist in Python").  The tutorial at docs.python.org is also good, if small.
[11:33] <spiv> Tzalidar: Oops, I see someone already gave a working link to thinkcspy to you already :)
[11:33] <coe> Tzalidar, Komodo can also do Perl, PHP and TCL http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
[11:33] <Tzalidar> spiv, yeah :) thanks anyway though ;)
[11:33] <Tzalidar> okay
[11:33] <Tzalidar> damn, i need to decide on a ide and then start learning ;)
[11:33] <Tzalidar> right now i used jEdit
[11:34] <Tzalidar> but i dont really like the interface
[11:34] <Tzalidar> this is what i love with open source
[11:34] <Tzalidar> we have so many applications accomplishing almost the same thing
[11:34] <stianh> crappy interface?
[11:34] <stianh> ah
[11:34] <Tzalidar> that means that you can choose an application that suits you 
[11:34] <Tzalidar> ;)
[11:34] <Tzalidar> not 'crappy'
[11:34] <Tzalidar> but its
[11:34] <Tzalidar> well
[11:34] <Tzalidar> its not fun ;)
[11:35] <stianh> hehe :P
[11:35] <spiv> Tzalidar: Also, on paper, I've heard that O'Reilly's _Learning Python_ is good, and the _Python Cookbook_ is pretty good too -- it has lots of discussion.  That involves spending money and reading dead trees, though :)
[11:35] <stianh> but true, coding should be fun :)
[11:35] <Tzalidar> or maybe it's me who havent taken the time to customize it
[11:35] <coe> Tzalidar, There's a 30 day trail of komodo. You could also use Kdevelop
[11:35] <darkstar> can anyone tell me how to enable the taps on a synaptic touchpad?
[11:35] <spiv> Tzalidar: Personally, I use vim as my IDE, but it's a steep learning cuve :)
[11:35] <Tzalidar> spiv: :D
[11:35] <Tzalidar> heh ;)
[11:37] <Tzalidar> darn now i need to make up my mind ;)
[11:37] <coe> spiv, Learning Python by O'Reilly is a good book, but it assumes that you have at least some programming experince
[11:38] <paxetil> what's the difference between main, restricted and universe _
[11:38] <Tzalidar> well ill go with anjuta
[11:38] <Tzalidar> for now ;)
[11:38] <Tzalidar> and worry about ide later
[11:39] <spiv> paxetil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:39] <paxetil> ok
[11:39] <paxetil> thx
[11:42] <coe> Has anyone tried the new Sun Java 1.5 yet? I hear there's speed improvements but haven't tried it yet.
[11:42] <Tzalidar> coe: i've tried it ;)
[11:42] <Tzalidar> coe: but i havent used it that much
[11:42] <paxetil> if i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?
[11:42] <jazzka> hi gays!
[11:42] <cardador> Tzalidar: anjuta integrates well with glade
[11:42] <jazzka> I've found a bug!
[11:42] <Tzalidar> cardador: perfect! :) that means easy gui designing ;)
[11:43] <stianh> jazzka, "hi gays!"?
[11:43] <paxetil> because programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe
[11:43] <Tzalidar> although i think that java apps startup faster with 1.5
[11:43] <Tzalidar> but i havent used either it or 1.4 that much
[11:43] <cardador> Tzalidar: theres even an "edit application gui" on anjuta menu that leads to glade
[11:43] <jazzka> stianh, I dont usually speak enlgish, so maybe there is some errors...
[11:43] <Tzalidar> cardador, cool! :)
[11:43] <coe> Tzalidar, Better try it tomorrow :)
[11:43] <jazzka> by default, gcc is not in the $PATH
[11:43] <Tzalidar> coe :)
[11:43] <stianh> jazzka, ok sorry. was just a bit funny :)
[11:44] <cardador> jazzka: try to install it from synaptic
[11:44] <jazzka> ;)
[11:44] <jazzka> apt says that gcc is installed, and also does synaptic
[11:44] <jazzka> what can I do?
[11:45] <nic_> :q
[11:45] <Tzalidar> well, time to get some sleep
[11:45] <Tzalidar> godnight everybody!
[11:46] <nic_> g'night
[11:46] <paxetil> if i update apt regularly can i have security problems using universe ?
[11:46] <hello> hey, is anything going to be done about the screwed up icons in the industrial theme?
[11:46] <paxetil> because programs like amule, anjuta, etc i only find in universe
[11:47] <paxetil> anyone ?
[11:49] <darkstar> anybody know about the touchpad thing?
[11:50] <hello> http://img24.exs.cx/img24/3586/icon-emblem-bug.png here's what I'm talking about.
[11:50] <hello> This happens in Debian as well
[11:53] <fughidabowit> wewt - i got ubuntu setup finally.. :)   can someone help me fix the bootloader for windows?
[11:57] <tck> im trying to mount a usb key ; not having much luck!
[11:57] <tck> /dev/sda isn't availale, how does ubuntu handle it
[11:58] <Blissex> tck: in theory it should be fully automatic.
[11:59] <Blissex> tck: first check what 'lsusb' says to make sure the device is recognized.
[11:59] <Blissex> tck: then check 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' to see if it is there at all.
[11:59] <tck> ltux@pluto ~ $ lsusb
[11:59] <tck> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey
[11:59] <tck> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:59] <tck> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:59] <tck> tux@pluto ~ $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:59] <tck> Attached devices:
[11:59] <tck> none