tckM-systems DiskOnKey, thats it12:00
tckdisgo key ;)12:00
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tckBlissex, any ideas?12:03
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Blissextck:  on IRC you should not paste more than 3-4 lines.12:04
fughidabowitcan anyone help me edit grub so that my windows os will boot?12:04
tckthat doesn't help12:04
Blissextck: in theory 'modprobe usb-storage' should work, but that should have been done automatically by hotplug etc.12:04
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Blissextck: if you want to be helped in general respect IRC rules. Else you will get kicked or banned from channels...12:05
Blissexfughidabowit: it is pretty easy, and there are many examples on the net. in the GRUB HOWTO for example.12:05
tckhas anyone else got any ideas?12:06
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tcka mate is having problems with mounting his cdrom12:22
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tckits usb, and ubuntu installed ok off it12:22
tckbut upon boot, isn't accessible12:23
lmlWhat is the best/easiest way to install MythTV under Ubuntu?12:24
Blissexlml: it has a number of ready-made MythTV packages. Just install them.12:25
Blissexlml: to manage packages use 'synaptic' all the time, it lists what is available, and you can search for packages etc.12:26
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Phr0stByteHiya neighborlee!12:30
neighborleehad to reinstall my other OS and I need help with getting ( chroot I presume ?) back ingo ubuntu..there is no 'rescue' mode and I dont have a bootdisk ( never finding mkbootdisk) so how do I get back in ? ;-)...12:30
neighborleePhr0stByte hi ;-)12:30
lmlBlissex: I did see the packages in universe for a couple of weeks ago, but I cannot find them any more.12:31
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: LOL - other OS?12:32
neighborleePhr0stByte, yes..ha to reinstall XP thus12:33
neighborleehad 12:33
Phr0stByteneighborlee: MS is banned from my house12:33
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neighborleeit would be from mine too IF I could get my invoiceing program data OUT of msaccess and use it in some app in linux..but i've yet to export the data in a useable format :(...i'm ..working on it ;(12:34
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neighborleeDONT blame you ;-)heh12:34
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neighborleePhr0stByte you poor  linux fellow...that must be kinda funny though in a way..FIXing broken XP machines heh...12:35
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Makes you versitile12:35
neighborleeso how do I get back into ubuntu :(12:36
neighborleeotherwise i'm really screwed in having to totally reinstall and I have things I really should backup first ;(12:36
Phr0stByteneighborlee: your MBR has been changed12:36
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neighborleeyes it has indeed..XP is good at that <G>12:36
neighborleeit doesn't 'care' about other linux OS that might reside LOL..< bad XP 12:37
Phr0stByteneighborlee: But it does have its own boot manager12:37
neighborleehow is it done with chroot or can it be ?12:37
lmlBlisses: Can you see the packages in universe?12:38
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: If you can find it..........12:38
neighborleelol yeah12:38
Phr0stByteneighborlee: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html12:39
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: The file to find is "bootsek.lin"12:42
fughidabowitwhere is the documentation to install 3d drivers?12:44
Phr0stByteneighborlee: If you are not tied to a prticular boot manager you can try this freeware solution: http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm12:45
neighborleePhr0stByte problem is I have z ero access to linux at all right now..squat12:45
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DragonXI need some Ubuntu support12:48
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Actually, that BootPart looks prety cool...12:48
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Phr0stByteDragonX: problem?12:50
Phr0stByteDragonX: what is it?12:51
DragonXI just installed ubuntu, and it won't activate my eth0 card (its a 3com 3c940), and I get no sound12:51
DragonXit locks up when I attempt to enable it12:51
Phr0stByteDragonX: What locks up when you attempt to enable it/12:52
Phr0stByteNIC or audio?12:52
Phr0stByteWHat card it it?12:52
DragonX3com gigabit 3c94012:53
DragonXthe networking config window stops responding12:53
Phr0stByteDragonX: Do you know the correct module for the card?12:53
DragonX...I'm a linux newb, so ... no12:53
Phr0stByteDragonX: OK - 1 sec....12:54
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DragonXor not12:55
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theDragonok, I am not theDragon12:56
neighborleePhr0stByte, no luck chrooting...it says  no such file or DIR for /dev/hdb2 < which I know is my linux partition12:56
AndersAAneighborlee: you need to mount it first..12:56
AndersAAneighborlee: mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt && chroot /mnt /bin/bash12:57
Phr0stBytetheDragon: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=51612:57
neighborleeAndersAA, oh ic...sigh ok thx12:57
theDragonok, so now what do I do?12:58
Phr0stBytetheDragon: It might be difficult though, in being new to linux12:58
theDragonwait, would Ubuntu work with my Linksys eth card?12:58
AndersAAgenerally ubuntu would work perfectly fine with any 3com card aswell12:59
Phr0stBytetheDragon: I think so, as mine is a Linksys12:59
Phr0stBytetheDragon: I run the tulip module12:59
theDragonit just freezes when I try to enable it01:00
Phr0stBytetheDragon: What kind of connection you got01:01
theDragonuh, using a broadband01:01
theDragonI think DHCP is on01:02
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Phr0stBytetheDragon: The "sk98lin" is known to work extremely well for your 3com, but you may have to recompile the kernel to get the module in there.01:04
Phr0stBytetheDragon: Thats quite a job for a newbie...01:04
TrevanDoes anyone here have experience in getting ATI's binary driver to work with Ubuntu?  I've managed to break my XF86Config trying to set it up, apparently.01:05
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: Any luck?01:06
neighborleeAndersAA, no luck..mount can't find /dev/hdbx01:06
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AndersAAfdisk -l /dev/hda ; fdisk -l /dev/hdb01:07
LucasXI was theDragon01:07
LucasXand DragonX01:07
AndersAAit should be there somewhere01:07
LucasXI got booted :S01:07
AndersAAand if it's there linux will find it, I've had the bios been wrong plenty of times, but not linux01:07
LucasXanyways, so any idea what's up with that?01:07
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neighborleeAndersAA, I was also getting error about mount problem since /dev/hdb2 wasn't in fstab ....01:08
neighborleethen after I fixed that it complained that hdb2 was nowhere to be found ;-)...I think this is a losing battle01:09
AndersAAwell, you sure it's hdb2?01:10
TrevanNo Radeon users here using the binary drivers, eh?01:10
neighborleeim positive01:10
AndersAAkeep in mind if you in your bios change first boot device some bioses will rewrite that info01:10
neighborleeI checked by booting ubuntu CD installer and it sure is01:10
neighborleehdb2 is my reiserfs 60gb partition01:10
AndersAAtry to boot grub, get a prompt and start writing root (hd0,0) root(hd0,1), it won't write anything, and keep doing that until you can find your partition01:10
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Try http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm01:11
AndersAAkeep in mind for example hd1,1 = hdb2 (1,0=hdb1)01:11
neighborleeAndersAA: problem is I have zero access to linux period..01:11
neighborleethus no grub01:11
AndersAAwhat happens when you boot?01:11
neighborleewindblows XP01:11
AndersAAand you installed grub during the install program?01:11
Phr0stByteneighborlee: You can change that after you get into linux01:12
neighborleeyes.I had to reinstall XP and I knew this would happen but I thought i'd be able to'get back in'01:12
neighborleeAndersAA: yes..before I installed XP again though01:12
AndersAAyou dont need to reinstall xp...01:12
neighborleePhr0stByte, correct..IF I can get back into linux :(..checking your LINK01:12
AndersAAubuntu will even add a boot option for it in the menu01:12
neighborleeyes np I realize all that01:13
neighborleei'm just saying that since I instaled XP..it overwrote my MBR ( of course) and I have no access to linux period now...01:14
AndersAAohh, this worked before?01:14
neighborleeI thought chroot would get me back in ( like it does in other distros) but zero fat chance it seems01:14
AndersAAahh, well, you dont need to chroot01:14
AndersAAyou can boot the cd and install grub from there01:14
neighborleei 'was' in ubuntu BEFORE I reinstalled XP01:14
neighborleetried that01:14
neighborleeno go01:14
AndersAAthe thing is the cd might have a lot of custom modules and stuff like that01:14
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neighborleei'd have to reinstall for that to work andi'd lose all my data01:15
AndersAAwhich hd do you have ubuntu on?01:15
neighborleewindows is on hda01:15
AndersAAwell, you could just reinstall ubuntu, it shouldn't do anything with your windows partition01:15
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neighborleesorry I know this is madening but its where I find myself LOL01:15
AndersAAand if you click "esc" when it says click esc to enter menu there should be a menuitem for xp there01:15
menatorAfter install I and updating my system when starting gdm or X I get module V4l not found01:16
AndersAAmenator: that module is video for linux, it shouldn't be something critical01:16
neighborleeAndersAA: I hope after this that ubuntu adds a 'rescue' mode ;(...this aint cuttin in at all01:16
jazzkadoes ubuntu come with a program that automatically shutdowns the computer?01:16
AndersAAyeah, that's probably a good idea01:16
neighborleeAndersAA: i'm looking to lose data im' not sure I have ;(....Ican't get back in to verify what I have ;(01:16
jazzkaor something like that?01:16
AndersAAjazzka: ... huh?01:16
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AndersAAjazzka: you can just select shut down from the menu01:16
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jazzkaAndersAA, I want to shutdown the computer at 17.00, for example01:17
jazzkais that possible?01:17
AndersAAneighborlee: what you could do that might work, is boot the install cd's install program, then go through the menu until you can find your hd, and after that quit the install program, it should have loaded your modules01:17
joemjazzka, yea, cron job01:17
AndersAAjazzka: yes, look into crontab and the command halt01:17
AndersAAcrontab in google should get you some example01:17
Smeggyor poweroff01:17
AndersAAor shutdown -t now01:17
Smeggyor shutdown -h now01:18
jazzkammmm ok01:18
AndersAAor pull out the power cord01:18
AndersAAbut I'm not sure crontab can do that01:18
Smeggyor pull out a fuse or flip a breaker01:18
menatorAndersAA: Why would X be using it?01:18
AndersAAmenator: it could be it's just trying to load it, and failing that, so it's not the critical error01:18
jazzkahey, I'm talking about power off the computer, when I'm not present!!101:18
Phr0stByteHeh - got my wifes account set up in Korean01:18
AndersAAjazzka: well, crontab is for scheduling execution of commands01:19
Smeggyjazzka, youll need to setup a cron job to execute one of the commands we told you at whatever interval/time you want the computer to go off01:19
jazzkatoo complex, it must be easier01:20
neighborleeAndersAA: yeah it loads my modules alright..but since hdb2 isn't in /dev then mount can't do what it needs to do...i've no idea how other distros do this but thats where I find myself..IF I could have found 'mkbootdisk' or whatever debian calls it..i'd be FINE now ;(boohisssigh ..ha <<01:20
jazzkaI'll try shutdown -t now01:20
AndersAAneighborlee: hmm, report that as a bug, it should have those there01:20
AndersAAneighborlee: you realize you can boot from any other distro's cd and run grub from there right? ;)01:20
Smeggyjazzka, that will shutdown the computer after a time you specify in seconds after the -t..01:21
jazzkaSmeggy, that's right for me01:21
stianhhmm, it just occured to me that I haven't rebooted since I installed ubuntu three days ago :)01:21
stianhso I haven't really seen how the booting is :p01:21
WW_Speaking of cron... Is there a GUI for cron?01:21
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neighborleeAndersAA: ok will do01:22
AndersAAWW_: probably craploads, try searching through the package tree01:22
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neighborleeAndersAA: hmmm01:22
AndersAAI do that too but I'm also a really bad electrician, so whenever I need to screw around with that I just turn my stuff off :p01:22
Phr0stByteSmeggy: same here01:22
neighborleeAndersAA: well I do have knoppix ( although I realize ubuntu has a new LIVECD which is nice!) I guess I could use it..but how does grub find my current installed patition ( what is syntax ?)01:23
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AndersAAneighborlee: grub (to start it, will take a few seconds); root (hd1,0) #that'll be hdb1; ; setup (hd0)01:24
AndersAAthen quit ;)01:24
menator_AndersAA: Your right, I had XF86Config-4 in my /etc/X11/ that was broken, deleted and works.01:24
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neighborleeAndersAA: sigh i'm not as familiar with grub as I could be..what does the setup part do ?01:27
AndersAAthe setup does the actual installing, that setup will install on mbr01:27
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jmknsdubuntu is 1 cd, correct?01:27
AndersAAthat's probably what ubuntu did for you, and then it uses grub to load XP01:27
AndersAAjmknsd: yes01:27
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andi84hi all01:27
andi84i have a casio exilim ex-z40 digicam connected to an usb port, but ubuntu does not recognise the cam01:28
andi84can somebody help me out+01:28
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neighborleeandi84, sadly not all devides are 'created equal'..it may just be one of them...i'd check the hardware compatability list to see what could be done to get it working..i'm  not sure of the URL but just google un less someone here knows more...my cam doesn't work either so I dont have great deal of knowledge on the subject01:30
andi84not good01:30
neighborleeandi84, you may luck out and find someone who has written at least a beta'ish driver for it ;-)01:31
appleworkitbabyokay, I'll give it one more shot....Could some one please answer a question for me?01:31
andi84whats your problem appleworkitbaby01:32
andi84hmm im googlin for it01:32
andi84perhaps i find something01:32
appleworkitbabyI need to know it Ubuntu supports Zoom modems...01:32
appleworkitbabyits a USB01:32
Phr0stByteandi84: I have a USB card reader to get my pics from the camera.01:33
menator_is there an unofficial repository for java-sdk?01:33
andi84hmm im sorry can help you with that01:33
appleworkitbabythats okay/01:33
andi84@ prostbyte i also have a multicard reader in my computer but the system doesn recognize it too01:33
appleworkitbabythats the only thing that has kept me from using Linux...well, that and the fact that it would constantly crash01:34
appleworkitbabyneither YellowDog, nor Mandrak supported it.01:34
appleworkitbabyI was hoping this did.01:34
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Phr0stByteandi84: same here - but I baught a small reader that connects via USB - it works great01:35
neighborleeappleworkitbaby, if memory serves..zoom are winmodems so your mileage may not be enticing ;(01:35
menator_anyone know where I can find java and eclipse debs?01:36
appleworkitbabyZoom did make them for the PPC.01:36
andi84hmm don want to buy another card reader just because linux doesn recognise it as such01:36
appleworkitbabyin fact, when my internal modem blew (during a storm) this was the only one I could find, thatw roked with my PPC01:36
appleworkitbabyits very important, that it work.01:37
appleworkitbabyand so far, I haven't gotten it working...01:37
Phr0stByteandi84: cheap - I think it was not over 30$ (US)01:37
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appleworkitbabyI suppose I could just run linux throught Virtual PC...and use a LAN connection...01:38
appleworkitbabyits just terrible slow.01:38
appleworkitbabythanks anyways yall.01:40
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menator_No java people?01:44
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Livewire-what are those fancy graphical objects with weather ect. on called again? desklets?01:46
menator_Livewire: gdesklets01:46
Livewire-ah thanks01:46
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ReporterXHello all!01:47
Livewire-menator_ can i get them via Synaptic?01:48
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ReporterXI'm a newbie on ubunto ... I set the root password but when i try to upon synaptic i got the error "Child terminate with 1 status". How do i get in synaptic.01:59
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tuggyhow are you starting synaptic?02:00
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ReporterXFrom gnome menu...02:00
tuggyyou have to enter YOUR password when it asks 02:00
tuggythats what sudo is all about02:00
ReporterXoppss... ok.... tx02:01
ReporterXubunto have the atmel driver for wireless usb devices ?02:01
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tophfisherHi Everyone, I just installed Ubuntu on my Powermac, and was hoping to find mplayer, and mozplugins so I could use the mplay plugins with Firefox, any know if I can do that with Ubuntu?02:04
lmlAnyone who knows what is the easiest way to install MythTV under Ubuntu?02:04
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tophfisherOr, where I should go look?02:06
Phr0stByteOoooh - I like this Beep-media-player...02:07
LeeColletonIt would seem there are no USB interfaces in /dev/ although I still see them registering via dmesg02:07
LeeColletonI can't sync my palm pilot or print :(02:08
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LeeColletonOkay, I found the USB devices under /.dev/02:11
LeeColletonWhat the hell is /.dev/  ?02:11
Phr0stByteHas anyi gotten k3b to work correctly under Ubuntu?02:12
LeeColletonPhr0stByte: yes02:14
LeeColletondoes that answer your question?02:14
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Phr0stByteLeeColleton: it keeps telling me kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found02:17
Phr0stByteLeeColleton: (thats when I run k3bsetup)02:19
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Phr0stByteLeeColleton: /.dev/ is a directory - does that answer your question?02:21
LeeColletonPhr0stByte: why does ubuntu create a hidden (and non-LSB compliant) directory for device files?02:22
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LeeColletonPhr0stByte: you can configure all the necessary options under Settings > Configure k3b...02:24
LeeColletonI'm going to reboot and see if that /.dev directory goes away02:24
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menator_anyone know where I can get Eclipse-sdk debs?02:27
jkgso, um, yes. what's all this /.dev business about?02:27
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ReporterXhello all02:32
ReporterXCan some give me some tips How do i setup an atmel wireless device ?02:32
ReporterXwireless usb device02:32
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PeaceableFroodI seem to be having difficulty mount a samba share, it works when I do it through Gnome but to do it to a folder it does not work02:39
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|trey|Damn, I guess I've been missing all the fun on news sites etc... Didn't realize it was quite so popular already... Heard "GNOME" and "Debian" and "Sid Snapshot" and downloaded first day, not payed attention since...02:43
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Phr0stByteUbuntu just wont let be setup k3b!02:44
|trey|Phr0stByte: ugh, add universal and install it, its not supported...02:44
smeggygimme a bit of time and ill grab it and see what happens02:44
|trey|Phr0stByte: by "not supported" I mean "don't bring it up here".02:45
Phr0stByte|trey|: the packages are installed - but k3b setup gives errors02:45
PeaceableFroodwhy won't my samba share mount?02:45
|trey|Phr0stByte: what do you mean? you can't burn as a user with kernel.02:46
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|trey|PeaceableFrood: your guess is as good as mine without a little more info...02:47
PeaceableFroodwell i try to mount it like so mount -t smbfs -o username=xxx //Server/Share /mnt/point no dice02:48
|trey|man smbmount02:48
PeaceableFroodNo manual entry for smbmount02:49
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smeggyWhats the error PeaceableFrood?02:49
swimI did an apply all upgradeable from synaptic, and now I get a kernel panic when booting, I am now in recovery mode... help?02:49
Phr0stByte|trey|: dosnt work as root either - says it cant find dvd+rw tools - but they are installed02:50
PeaceableFroodmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //Matthew/Music,02:50
PeaceableFrood       or too many mounted file systems02:50
|trey|swim: what did the panic say?02:50
swim|trey|: oh I dont know... should I reboot and write it down? 02:50
Phr0stByte|trey|: On a side note, Nautilus burning works fine as a user02:50
|trey|Phr0stByte: cool.. go to #debian-kde, it is there packages you are using, no Ubuntu's...02:50
swimor is there anyway I can just reverse everything that synaptic updated?02:50
|trey|swim: umm, yeah02:51
swimok, brb then02:51
|trey|Phr0stByte: so why are you even bothering with an overhyped peace of software if what you had works?02:51
smeggySounds like smbfs is not compiled into your kernel PeaceableFrood..02:51
|trey|smeggy: its a module usually...02:52
Phr0stByte|trey|: because it has a function for video DVDs that other software does not have02:52
|trey|PeaceableFrood: modprobe smbfs02:52
smeggyOr the module isn't loaded.  I thought that would go without saying though ;)02:52
|trey|smeggy: nothing goes without saying when you're providing help....02:52
PeaceableFroodtried it, doesn't work02:52
PeaceableFroodit should load automatically anyway02:53
smeggy|trey|, heh :/02:53
smeggyPeaceableFrood, doesn't load? Or loads and doesn't work still? Or is alreayd loaded?02:53
|trey|PeaceableFrood: it really shouldn't...02:53
smeggy|trey|, can you access it if you browse to it with something like Nautilus?02:53
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PeaceableFroodyes, but that still doesn't help me actually mounting it though a console to a folder02:55
smeggyNo, just wondering if it works.02:55
smeggyWhat do you get when you try to load the smbfs module?02:55
swim|trey|: ok now its booting fine, but when I "startx" I get a grey screen with a cursor but nothing else... (not even gnome splash)02:55
|trey|PeaceableFrood: cat /boot/config-<uname -r> | grep SMBFS , tell me what it says02:55
PeaceableFroodit loads sucessfully02:55
|trey|swim: wait a while  :/02:55
PeaceableFroodbash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'02:56
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swim|trey|: its been about 4 mins now... it's in another console right now (im using irssi)02:56
PeaceableFroodmy kernel version is if your wondering02:56
menator_anyone know where I can install eclipse from02:57
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swim_did I miss anything?03:00
swim_had to restart irssi03:00
swimI just used synaptic (select all upgradeable apply) then got someproblems screen went from X to console with errors then I manually reboot, and upon next boot I got a kernel panic, then I booted again, and it went fine, tried to "startx" and all I get is a grey screen with a cursor... doesnt change... help?03:01
swimIm typing from irssi now, unable to use X... 03:01
swimnow Im lagging horribly... restarting...03:01
PeaceableFrooddoes smbmount part of the samba package?03:01
|trey|PeaceableFrood: its part of smbclient I believe...03:02
menator_where is the ndiswrapper-utils package03:02
menator_I can't find it anywhere.03:02
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swim_ok I just tried starting "gdm" instead of 03:04
swim_"startx" and got a blue screen now with a cursor, but it still doesnt go anywhere... just stays there03:04
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menator_I like how the howto states to install the package when its not there. Maybe I'm just missing something.03:05
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swim__where is everyone? this is somewhat of a serious problem I need help with03:08
phlaegelmenator_: the howto tells you where it is.03:08
swim_can I undo what synaptics->select all upgradeable->apply did?03:08
|trey|swim_: yes, its usually refered to as "reinstalling"03:09
menator_phlaegel: It just says to update your repository, I have main restricted universe set for my repository and its not there, or synaptic and apt-get can't see it.03:09
phlaegelI just searched for ndis in synaptic and it's there03:09
swim__|trey|: so am I screwed then? nothing else I can do to save this installation?03:09
|trey|swim_: let me mention just one time, Ubuntu is an unreleased distro... the software you are running is *beta* at _best_03:10
menator_phlaegel: what repositories do you have selected?03:10
|trey|eh, not really anymore... probably officially beta...03:10
swim__|trey|: I see03:10
|trey|still a month basically to fix bugs03:10
swim__what a waste of an entire day03:11
|trey|Actually almost 2.03:11
|trey|swim__: send off for a free CD, and wait till then to install  :)03:11
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swim__no way, by then suse 9.2 will be out03:12
phlaegelmenator_: the usual, main, universe, restricted.03:12
|trey|phlaegel: + multiverse03:12
phlaegeluh, no03:13
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BeingCShi, i'm trying to compile a kernel module, and used the command suggested on the support section (sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`) but got an error, saying that the pacakge couldn't be found; can anyone help?03:13
swim__well thats it for my relationship with ubuntu... it was wrought with troubles throught our week together03:13
menator_phlaegel: I even changed mirrors and cannot find it, are you just searching for ndiswrapper?03:15
|trey|swim__: at least file bug reports before you do, so your difficulties don't happen later?03:15
|trey|swim__: they won't fix themselves  :/03:15
swim__|trey|: maybe, but Ill have to go through a long process to get to a point where I can easily file bug reports, such as aquire another distro, install etc etc03:16
swim__right now this is all I have until monday03:16
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|trey|I feel so sorry for him *goes to get another beer*03:17
|trey|I guess Ubuntu still isn't that great for people who don't know the system  :(03:18
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|trey|s/never/rarely/  *taps on wood*03:19
Phr0stByte|trey|: I think Ubuntu is great - except for k3b not working for me03:19
Phr0stByte|trey|: (Thats coming from a 7 year Mandrake usr03:19
|trey|Phr0stByte: k3b wasted 5 CD's for me in a row... I don't use burners that waste my CD  :/03:19
jkgit's weird, though, the only stuff I've felt I had to "know" was a weirdness with my hardware during the install (the pcmcia exclude ports 0x800-0x8ff thing). other than that I don't think I've edited a single config file or anything, under ubuntu, except uncommenting the universe stuff03:19
|trey|Phr0stByte: umm, thats not even possible... they were released in 98  :/03:20
Phr0stByte|trey|: It never gave me a problem in Mandrake03:20
jkgand wow, that was an even more disjointed sentence than I thought :)03:20
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kunalmy screen size isn't big enough03:20
Phr0stByte|trey|: sorry maybe 603:20
kunalhow to i resize it03:21
Phr0stByte|trey|: just making a point03:21
|trey|Point being you think lying is impressive?03:21
kunalmy screen isnt filling the whole laptop display how do i resize it to fill the display?03:21
Phr0stByte|trey|: Do you actually work at being an ass, or is it n=more of a natural thing?03:21
|trey|Phr0stByte: first, but most important factor... Debian/Ubuntu, RedHat/Mandrake, RedHat/Fedora, these are all different in their own ways...03:22
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Phr0stByte|trey|: duh03:22
menator_I'm still not seeing ndiswrapper in synaptic03:23
jkgkunal: mine autodetected properly, so I've not had to try, but I *guess* running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and answering the questions it asks would be a good start03:23
|trey|Debian/Ubuntu being the most different of all... so basically, forget everything you learned to with everything but commands... its like you're switching OS's again...03:23
|trey|You will learn to love it though because it is simply more logical.03:23
Phr0stByte|trey|: I already said I love it - Ubuntu has been install a few weeks now - absolutely 0 problems.03:25
|trey|Phr0stByte: so for instance, a good question to ask instead of "I am having difficulty with k3b", is "I need a good gtk based burner, can anyone recommend one"... gcombust would likely be brought up...03:25
Phr0stByte|trey|: does it burn DVDs?03:25
Phr0stByte|trey|: I didnt think it did03:26
jkg|trey|: why? if someone likes and knows k3b, why should we deliberately steer them away from it?03:26
jkgjust because it hasn't worked for you, that doesn't make it useless03:26
menator_anyone, do a search for ndiswrapper-utils in synaptic, is it there?03:26
Phr0stBytejkg: thankyou03:26
|trey|jkg: would you recommend Nero on linux using wine? no... same thing, both will run, neither will work...03:26
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|trey|Both are pretty... both are useless to him currently03:27
jkg|trey|: oh is the k3b package actually broken then? fair enough03:27
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jkgI didn't realise that03:27
jkgoh, and bugzilla doesn't either, as far as I can see03:28
|trey|jkg: its not supported, and the kde debian guys are here, so there not paying much attention to it really... 400+ kde bugs right now...03:28
jkgoh cut the "not supported" stuff already. being in universe doesn't make it off limits for this channel or something, does it?03:28
|trey|(calc and crimsun are kde maintainers)03:28
menator_where is ndiswrapper-utils03:29
|trey|jkg: would you use a product that the maintainers don't even care about?03:29
jkg|trey|: I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything.03:29
|trey|menator_: if someone knew, they would have told you by now, go look through a few good searches...03:29
menator_I have03:29
jkgare you saying the maintainers of k3b don't care about it or something?03:29
|trey|jkg: why would you install buggy software?03:29
menator_The howto says its there but its not.03:30
Phr0stByte|trey|: I just think that if you are not willing to try and help, you should not wast network buffers with useless comments.03:30
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jkg|trey|: there is no software that isn't buggy.03:30
|trey|jkg: I'm saying the Debian packages of KDE are badly maintained... 400+ bugs is rediculous...03:30
|trey|Phr0stByte: like the one I am replying to right now?03:30
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|trey|jkg: in comparison, gnome has about 40.03:31
|trey|thats 10 times the bugs.03:31
jkgwell, gnome is clearly better, then03:31
jkgthat's nice03:31
Phr0stByte|trey|: Hey! your local! Want an ass kickin'?03:32
jkgmenator_: have you uncommented the line mentioning "universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list?03:32
|trey|Phr0stByte: you're... and I'm not apposed to it...03:32
jkg(there's probably some synaptic-only way to do this by I've no idea)03:32
menator_jkg: yeah, I've even tried different mirrors03:32
jkgand you've done "apt-get update" after making the change, right?03:32
jkg(sorry if that's a silly question...)03:33
menator_jkg: yeah03:33
menator_jkg: go take a look, I couldn't find it.03:33
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jkgjkg@emerald ~ $ apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils03:33
jkgndiswrapper-utils - User space tools for ndiswrapper03:33
jkgand I've nothing very exotic in sources.list really.03:34
|trey|jkg: you probably have universe at least  :/03:34
jkg|trey|: yes...03:34
|trey|He likely doesn't  :/03:34
jkgbut he said above that he does. keep up at the back there...03:35
menator_main restricted universe 03:36
menator_thats whats in my sources03:36
|trey|jkg: I haven't been paying attention to him...03:36
jkg|trey|: oh, how helpful of you to comment despite that.03:36
menator_apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils03:36
menator_that command doesn't give me anything.03:37
jkgmenator_: what's the full line in sources.list?03:37
jkgit should be something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe"03:37
menator_jkg: apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils03:37
menator_jkg: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe03:38
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jkgclipboard != primary selection :)03:38
|trey|menator_: wierd how everyone has it except you? apt-get update && apt-get install it03:38
jkghrm. you have a / I don't have, but I'm not convinced that should matter.03:38
jkgstill, try removing that, apt-get update and see if it helps...03:38
|trey|jkg: he would get errors if the dir didn't exist... he's not complaining of this...03:39
menator_jkg: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe03:39
menator_sorry again.03:39
jkg|trey|: I thought you weren't paying attention...03:39
menator_E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils03:39
jkgmenator_: weird. but the apt-get update proceeds without error?03:40
menator_jkg: it says Hit next to every line with the url next to it then says Reading Package List...Done Building dependency tree...Done03:41
jkgoh, it turns out ndiswrapper-utils is in main rather than universe anyway03:42
|trey|jkg: just noticed that, even less reason as to why he can't find it  :/03:43
|trey|menator_: arch? maybe its not supported on your arch yet? 03:43
jkgmenator_: just out of interest, try something like "apt-cache search irssi-text" and see how many lines of output you get03:43
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menator_ah, I am using x86_6403:43
jkgoh, I hadn't considered it might not be x86, that was careless :)03:43
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jkgso don't bother with my suggestion; I think it's probably just not supported on amd64 yet, by the sound of things.03:44
menator_I should still be able to use it though in 32bit mode.03:44
|trey|menator_: I can't think of anything else dude... EVERYONE else has it in main, you don't, you explain it...03:45
jkgright, but there may not be a suitable package or something.03:45
menator_is there a way to set my arch to x86?03:45
jkg|trey|: wow. you're a longterm debian user, right?03:46
|trey|jkg: 3+ years, yeah03:46
menator_I would rather have more software available then use utilize my 64 bitness.03:46
jkg|trey|: that explains the abrasiveness then ;)03:46
goatboy_menator_: reinstall.03:47
|trey|menator_: logically speaking, its in main, thus supported, thus should work everywhere...03:47
jkgI thought there was stuff in main that was only in main on some arches. did I imagine that bit?03:47
menator_goatboy_: I never had a change to select my arch in the install, how would I go about it then?03:47
goatboy_menator_: grab the i386 install disc.03:48
|trey|jkg: hah, I suppose... frustrates me to see people not getting it  :(03:48
menator_goatboy_: can anyone tell me if eclipse is in the x86 main?03:49
|trey|menator_: I think its in universe... pretty sure its not in main though  :/03:49
jkgapt-cache search eclipse finds nothing here, even with universe.03:50
Red_MenaceOk, how do I add a floppy driver to my Ubuntu installation?  For some bizarre reason it doesn't have one.  When I try to mount it, I get an error that says 'special device /dev/fd0 does not exist'03:50
|trey|Hmm, someone should fix that, Eclipse is too popular to be missing  :/03:50
jkgwhat's eclipse? :)03:51
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|trey|Red_Menace: whats the module for the floppy drive... if you don't know, get on google and figure it out...03:51
menator_I keep getting x11gtk2 errors when trying to install it manually.03:51
Red_Menace|trey| thanks03:51
|trey|jkg: hopefully you're kidding... but its an Integrated Developement Environment... basically a GUI meant to simplify programming  :)03:52
jdubeclipse is a hard one, due to java requirements03:52
jkg|trey|: oh, yet another IDE03:52
jdubif someone got it building with gcj in debian, that'd be great (if it isn't already done)03:52
SamBozoyea still don't have java going on here03:53
|trey|jdub: RH folks are working on it, can't use their code to make a .deb?03:53
jdubi'm sure "someone" could03:53
Phr0stByteSamBozo: whats wrong with Sun's binaries?03:53
Phr0stByteSamBozo: They work for me03:53
|trey|jdub: I was under the impression it didn't depend on closed source Java anymore  :(03:53
|trey|Phr0stByte: the license03:54
jdubit doesn't03:54
jdubif you build it with gcj03:54
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weirdisntithey how do u reconfigure X again03:54
weirdisntitdpkg-reconfigure xfree86?03:54
|trey|weirdisntit: close, xserver-xfree86 though03:54
hazmatot, can anyone recommend a  good domain registrar?03:55
|trey|hazmat: how much of a reach do you want? dyndns works for me...03:55
Phr0stByteSamBozo: Or you could use the sdk - if lisencing really bothers you03:56
|trey|Phr0stByte: thats still closed source  :/03:56
hazmathmm.. i never considered dyndns.. its for a colo box with a perm ip.. but i guess they offer that as well03:56
jkghazmat: I use black cat networks, but they're good rather than particularly cheap.03:56
Phr0stByte|trey|: whatever - it works and I didnt pay for it03:57
jkgit troubles me that your colo provider won't do registrar-fu for you :)03:57
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|trey|Phr0stByte: cuz thats the most important thing, that it didn't cost anything </sarcasm>03:57
weirdisntithey whats the thing to reconfigure X03:57
SamBozoI tried the blackdown ones that were recommended on the faq .. but there was always an error .. java or java2 -common I think it wass03:57
weirdisntitdpkg-reconfigure x?03:57
weirdisntitwhat is it?03:57
|trey|weirdisntit: I just told you, scroll up03:57
jkgweirdisntit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:57
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Phr0stByte|trey|: no - most important is it works03:57
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|trey|Phr0stByte: many things work... thats by far not the most important thing at all03:58
hazmatjkg, they let me run gentoo on the servers so i can't really complain ;-)03:58
jkghazmat: they didn't even stop you running gentoo!?! run, run! <g,d&r>03:58
hazmat|trey|, thanks for the tip about dyndns, i'll think i use them, they support opensource in general (use python and come to oscon).03:59
Phr0stByte|trey|: whats important to you may not be to others. Whats more, others may not give a damn whats important to you.03:59
TrevanGood evening.  Does anyone here have experience in wrestling with Ubuntu + XFree + dual-head ATI cards?  I finally got the fglrx driver running, but I cannot get dual monitor support up and running.03:59
jkgright, 3am, should sleep. night.03:59
|trey|Phr0stByte: for the most part though, people that use Open Source do agree with what I am saying... there are technically better products, but thats not whats important...04:00
menator_SamBozo: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian04:00
menator_SamBozo: I used it to install java 5.04:00
menator_SamBozo: Couldn't get Eclipse to work though.04:00
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SamBozoPhr0stByte, will the SDK also allow for java on web pages to play? I don't now but will sometime want to play with the creating of some java04:01
Phr0stByteIsn't there an open-source jave? Blackdown or somethin like that...04:01
Phr0stByteSamBozo: Yes it will04:02
SamBozothanks menator_ looking04:02
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jgeorgesoni have a celeron M laptop (no speestep), is there any point to having powernowd installed/running?04:02
Red_MenaceOk, I can't mount floppy drives.   Says the block device does not exist.  I did a search in the Synaptic package manager for the word floppy.   Came up with fdutils package, which I apparently have installed.  Tried to search for a floppy module on google, but haven't been able to find anything.04:02
Phr0stByteSamBozo: I think you just may not have enabled java globaly if you installed java already04:02
Phr0stByteSamBozo: Or at least added a sim link to for it to work in your browser)04:03
SamBozoI forget what went wrong .. I got off on vmware and not it's working so java is next04:04
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SamBozoI forget what went wrong .. I got off on vmware and NOW it's working so java is next04:04
SamBozolet me go look at what I had downloaded .. brb04:05
jgeorgesondoes powernowd do anything on intel CPUs without speedstep?04:05
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Red_MenaceI have an entry for /dev/fd0 in my /etc/fstab file, but I cannot mount anything04:07
Phr0stByteRed_Menace: /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       004:09
Red_Menaceyah, it's there.  I don't get it04:09
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sivangwhat's the package name for win32 codecs ?04:13
sivangjdub : apt-get can't find it, other suggestions?04:14
jdubyou need marillat's repo04:14
Phr0stBytesivang: add a source to apt that does have it.04:14
sivangjdub : oh righty, it's so taken for granted on my sid that I forgot. thanks04:14
jdubsivang: it's not in sid...04:15
Phr0stBytesivang: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main04:15
sivangjdub : no, I have the deb source in sid..that what I meant :)04:16
sivangPhr0stByte : thanks04:16
Phr0stBytesivang: np04:16
jsubl2is there an amd64 repo for mplayer04:17
Phr0stBytejsubl2: I havnt seen one04:17
Phr0stBytejsubl2: But it should still wotk in 32bit mode04:17
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Red_Menacealright, so now that I have my floppy disk working ... I've been trying to create a boot disk to repair my WindowsXP partition.  I think the installation of Ubuntu has destroyed my XP partitions MBR.  But, it may be worse than that.  I can't seem to mount my WindowsXP boot partition, but I can mount other NTFS partitions.  ANyone know a good utility that I might be able to use to check out that partition?04:24
LeeColletonRed_Menace: knoppix04:25
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Red_MenaceLeeColleton: Isn't Knoppix a linux distro?04:26
sivangRed_Menace : it's more of a liveCD based on debian04:27
sivangRed_Menace : you could refer to it as a derived work.04:28
Red_MenaceOk, so how could that help me save my Windows partition?04:28
Red_MenaceI'm tryin to figure out if Ubuntu corrupted my partition, or simply destroyed the MBR04:29
CoolChEEzEare their efl packages in one of the repos ?04:29
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Red_MenaceIf the MBR on my WindowsXP partition was corrupted, I'd still be able to mount it into my filesystem, would I not?04:32
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jgeorgesonRed_Menace, I believe MBR is per disk, not pre partition04:33
jakempumm, I dont know my root password04:33
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jakempor how to find it04:33
nitinhow do i set up ati 9700 pro04:33
nitintheres a website for it04:33
nitinthe binaries04:33
nitinat wiki04:33
jgeorgesonjakemp, probably isn't set, just run 'sudo cmd'04:33
nitinanyone got a link04:33
jgeorgesonjakemp, there's also a menu entry Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal04:34
Red_MenaceSo my WindowsXP partition is probably screwed?04:34
jakempbut I cant use those without the root password04:34
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, i just meant you might be using confusing wording04:35
jgeorgesonjakemp, yes you can, it's asking for your user password, not the root password04:35
nitinwhow do i install ati 9700 pro04:35
LeeColletonRed_Menace: yes, ubuntu destroyed your MBR.  you can still boot windows with grub04:35
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LeeColletonRed_Menace: more correctly, ubuntu replaced your MBR04:36
Red_MenaceI try this mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb3 /Windows .... I get the message 'Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3 or too many mounted file systems04:36
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, windows won't boot if it's partition isn't marked active, that's one thing to check04:36
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jgeorgesonRed_Menace, have you confirmed that you have an ntfs module (find /lib/modules/'uname -r' -name ntfs.*04:37
Red_Menacewell, I was able to mount another ntfs partition04:37
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jgeorgesonRed_Menace, if you do fdisk -l what does it say for /dev/hdb3 (what partitions come before it?)04:39
Red_Menace  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System04:40
Red_Menace/dev/hdb1   *           1        1020     8193118+  83  Linux04:40
Red_Menace/dev/hdb2            1021        1275     2048287+  82  Linux swap04:40
Red_Menace/dev/hdb3            1276        8924    61440592+   7  HPFS/NTFS04:40
Red_Menace/dev/hdb4            8925       14945    48363682+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)04:40
Red_Menace/dev/hdb5            8925       14945    48363651    7  HPFS/NTFS04:40
jgeorgesonnitin, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:40
jgeorgesonthe * means /dev/hdb1 is active, so if grub doesn't set /dev/hdb3 as active when trying to boot windows, it won't work04:41
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, not sure hy you can't mount it though04:41
Red_MenaceI have makeactive in there04:41
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, one thing you could do is make a linux rescue floppy, boot the XP cd and restore the windows MBR, and then windows should try to boot and run it's own fs check tools04:42
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, once you have that worked out, use the linux boot floopy to boot ubuntu and re-install grub04:42
Red_MenaceHow do I make a rescue floppy?  Is there a util for that with Ubuntu?04:43
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, on the Win2k disk there is fixmbr and fixboot. check out mkboot04:43
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, do note, I've never used mkboot. The only times I've done what I'm talking about i've had red hat or fedora installed, and used their rescuecd iso image. so test that the disk will boot your linux install before doing anything04:45
Red_Menacefor some reason my linux floppy drive has stopped working again .......04:45
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, man, you just can't win tonight, eh?04:46
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Red_MenaceNo, I can't04:46
nitini installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!04:46
Red_MenaceAnd I'm pretty sure my WindowsXP partition is hosed, which bugs the crap out of me.  The second linux distro that's done that to me.04:47
jgeorgesonjust curious, why did you put the linux partitions before the windows partition? don't think i've eer seen anyone do that04:47
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jgeorgesoni'm guessing you don't have partition magic? 04:47
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nitini installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!04:48
Red_MenaceI think I did that a while back, when I was using an older version of Redhat for school.  They wanted us to use Lilo, and it couldn't see linux past a certain cylinder on the driver or something.04:48
Red_Menacedriver = drive04:48
jgeorgesonah, the dreaded frozen "LI" boot menu04:48
nitini installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!04:48
jgeorgesonsorry nitin, I don't have any ATI cards, so I can't help beyond running google searches for your error message04:49
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Red_MenaceOk, my floppy magically started mounting again ... how do I make a linux rescue disk?04:51
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nitini installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!04:51
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, check out the mkboot man page04:51
Red_Menaceok, thanks04:51
jgeorgesonnitin, try searching google for the exact error message04:52
Red_Menacesweet ... mkboot does not work on AMD64 systems04:53
Red_MenaceI am so screwed it's not even funny04:54
jgeorgesonjakemp, you get the sudo/root terminal stuff working?04:54
jgeorgesonRed_Menace, do you have a spare disk? maybe you could install windows on it and try to access hdb3 from tha04:54
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Red_MenaceOnly other drive I have is a removable drive.  It has WindowsXP installed on it already, but it's configured for the computers at school.   I tried to boot it in safe mode on my machine, but it wouldn't work.04:55
asdf_46Does anyone have aac working with gstreamer?04:57
Red_MenaceMaybe I'll try installing Windows over my linux partition, and if I can get my old Windows partition working, I can switch back to it, and try reinstalling Linux again04:57
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jgeorgesonwell, you could try using the ubuntu install cd to boot your existing install (like 'linux root=/dev/hdb1')04:58
jgeorgesonthen you can do the windows fixboot/fixmbr thing from the install cd's repair console04:58
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jgeorgesonany idea why nautilus gives a "you don't have permission to view this share" error when you try to browse a machine, even though smbclient -L at the command line will list all the shares?05:10
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punkassif i was to guess, i would say that -L will allow u to see the shares but when u use nautilus you are trying to view in the shares05:12
jgeorgesonpunkass, but I can access the shares in nautilus if I type in the full name (smb://server/share instead of browsing down from network://)05:13
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punkasssorry not really sure then05:15
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PenguinBoyhey guys!05:15
jgeorgesonanyone familiar with the 'Connect to server' feature of Nautilus?05:16
punkassi have used it...but only over ssh05:17
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jgeorgesonpunkass, man. it looks like it works to mount my windows shares, but the desktop icon created doesn't seem to be browseable (Nautilus window never opens after being clicked, and no error message)05:18
punkassactually i did have windows shares mounted.05:18
punkassbut it never created a desktop icon for me05:19
punkassjust one under Networks05:19
jgeorgesonhm, i don't think i got one there05:19
jakempjgeorgeson, yes05:19
jakempI got it working05:19
jakempkinda fell asleep there for a minute05:19
tophfisherpunkass: does it really mount the shares? Or is it like a gnome-vfs virtual thing?05:19
punkassi think its a virtual thing05:20
punkasscuz i could never find where they were mounted05:20
jgeorgesonpunkass, i noticed that too. 05:20
punkassbut it works well...they show up in file dialog boxes etc05:20
tophfisherThats all I really care about, being able to open files and save files05:21
jgeorgesonpunkass, hm, it's showing up in Network now, still doesn't seem to be browseable though05:22
punkassyou run into problems with openoffice tho cuz it uses its own dialog boxes...kinda a pain05:22
punkasssame with xmms05:22
tophfisherpunkass: I dunno if ubuntu can use it, but Ximain makes a version of OpenOffice that uses the Gnome Open/save/print dialog boxes05:24
jgeorgesonhey! it's working, rhythmbox is even importing the songs from it!05:25
punkassthatd be nice...i did here someone on here talking about submitting patches to openoffice for ubuntu...so maybe it will happen on next release05:25
punkassjgeorgeson: good to hear :)05:25
jgeorgesonmaybe. it says 'loading songs...' but none of them are getting listed yet05:25
bitserfsomething i'd like is the ability to add user-defined hotplug devices to that preferences page where you can set the app to use when something is inserted....so i can plug in ipod and gtkpod launches05:26
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tophfisherI hope it does, I just installed Ubuntu today for the first time... I like what I see05:26
punkassyeah its pretty slick..i am happy with it05:26
jgeorgesoni'm using my 802.11b, i've noticed rhythm box imports really slow with that nic. 05:26
ushoozI too am a fresh user of ubuntu05:27
ushooztrying to figure out how to burn a iso :)05:27
ushoozos g4u05:27
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punkassushooz: right click on the iso and goto Write to CD05:27
nitin_anyone know how to set up my radeon 9700 pro05:28
jgeorgesonushooz, nautilus-cd-burner <iso>05:28
ushoozso I can back up my SUSE install and give ubuntu a shot on the laptop05:28
jakempbash: gcc: command not found05:28
nitin_i followed the binary instructions but the fglrx drive isnt installed!05:28
ushoozit is not dectecting my burner :(05:28
tophfisherushooz: Also, you can install K3b, a really nice CD burning app... You might have to add the unversial apt source.05:28
punkassnitin_: i believe there is a how to in the wiki05:28
nitin_i know05:28
ushooznever mind05:28
nitin_i followed it05:28
ushoozit is now05:28
nitin_but when i modprobe fglrx it says cant find05:28
punkassthe nautilius iso tool is pretty slick05:28
nitin_so even tho i install fglrx-driver it doenst install the module05:29
ushoozearly today it was not, I just did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade and have not tried to burn the CD since05:29
jgeorgesonnitin_, can you confirm the package was installed with dpkg -l <pkg>05:29
punkasswell its almost none existent but it works well05:29
ushoozk3b is a great app. Use it on my SuSE install05:29
nitin_it says it is05:29
ushoozbut i would prefer sticking with GNOME 05:29
tophfisherYeah, me too05:29
ushoozI loved Ximian gnome on RH05:30
ushoozand love Dropline Gnome05:30
jgeorgesonrhythmbox ... still loading (i only tried to import one album, me thinks something is wrong)05:30
tophfisherI liked that a lot too, although, it is good stuff on SuSE now too05:30
ushoozI tweaked my SUSE box enough with KDE that it is pretty good too05:30
tophfisherI have not heard anything on Ximain Desktop 3, have you?05:31
ushoozI have not either05:31
tophfishernitin, what up?05:31
jgeorgesonwhat about dpkg -L to list the contents to see if the module is there05:31
ushoozI think they are going to role Ximain into Novell Desktop05:31
nitin_i followed instructions to install fglrx-driver in wiki05:31
tophfisherYeah, I will check that out05:31
nitin_and it doesnt wok05:31
nitin_X says fglrx module not found05:31
nitin_so even tho it installs it doesnt install the module05:32
tophfisherHmm, I do not have ati card my self, cuz it is a pain with Linux... Have you checked the ubuntu mailing list?05:32
punkassnitin_:do a lsmod and look for fglrx05:32
nitin_it cant even f i n d the module05:32
nitin_theres no way it cna load it05:32
jgeorgesonw00t! rhythmbox finished loading. this is sweet, even though it's dog slow05:32
ushooznitin_, I still had to run fglrxconfig after my install to get my ATI card to run in with GL05:33
ushoozI rolled back to the generic Radeon driver though05:33
punkassthat is odd, i can load a pile of albums in about 20secs05:33
ushoozLinux my mobo and my 9700 Pro never have liked each other05:33
calctophfisher: NLD will be out soon, which will probably be equivalent to a XD305:33
tophfisherOh yeah, you do have to run fglrxconfig05:33
jgeorgesonpunkass, i mean the samba share is dog slow. especially over my wifi. if i use an ethernet i can load cloase to 3k songs in a couple of minutes05:34
punkassah..funny that wifi would be slower05:35
jgeorgesonpunkass, just curious, do you know what punk originally meant?05:35
jgeorgesonwell, 11 mbps vs 100 mbps. 05:35
ushoozanybody have the d3a icon theme? I can not seem to get it from gnome-look.org the last few days :(05:36
punkass   1. Dry decayed wood, used as tinder.05:36
punkass   2. Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks.05:36
punkass   3. Chinese incense.05:36
tophfisherushooz: I did, but I wiped my system to load Ubuntu05:37
jgeorgesonnever heard those before, i always saw 'young, inexperienced male [gay]  prostitute'05:37
punkassmaybe in the "urban" dictionary05:38
punkassadj. Slang:  # Of poor quality; worthless.05:38
punkass# Weak in spirits or health05:38
jgeorgesoni know someone who got punk tatooed in tribal lettering and i just have to laugh every time i see it05:38
jgeorgesonno, meriam-websters i think, something of that caliber is where i looked it up05:38
punkassi just looked at dictionary.com05:38
punkassoh there is more, hahaha05:39
punkass   3.05:39
punkass         1. Slang. A young man who is the sexual partner of an older man.05:39
punkass         2. Archaic. A prostitute.05:39
jgeorgesonyeah, that's the one05:39
punkasshaha 05:39
jgeorgesonnot there's anything wrong with that05:40
punkasswell its also:  2. A fungus (Polyporus fomentarius, etc.)05:40
tophfisherSo ubuntu does not have a message board? Just the mailing list huh?05:40
punkassthey are working on a forum05:40
jgeorgesontophfisher, for the moment05:40
tophfisherThats cool05:40
tophfisherAny one have info on how ubuntu plans to make money? I read they are funded... Whats their plan for a return on their investment?05:41
jgeorgesoni've noticed my laptop is considerably quieter under ubunut than winxp or suse05:41
punkassi believe they are going to start up support for ubuntu05:42
punkassofficial "paid for" support that is05:42
punkassjgeorgeson: the laptop i installed it on, doesnt seem to every sleep or spindown the drive05:42
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tophfisherHmmm.. I hope that is enough to make them money05:43
jgeorgesonpunkass, can yours successfully go to s3 or s4 suspend (and back)?05:43
punkassi dont know how to set that.05:43
jgeorgesonpunkass, if you cat /proc/power/state you'll see what suspend modes are supported (mem == s3, disk == s4)05:44
jgeorgesons3 == standby in windows (suspend to ram), and s4 == hibernate (suspend to disk)05:45
jgeorgesonyou enter those states with echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state05:45
tophfisherpunkass: I _JUST_ read a thread about this in the ubuntu mailing list, kinda funny, they had them same talk.. A couple of people could not suspend becuz of the USB controller.05:45
jgeorgesoni can ener s3, but on resume the machine powers down05:46
jgeorgesoni think s4 needs the swsusp stuff, which is included in the 2.6 kernel sources, but ubuntu doesn't have compiled05:46
jgeorgesoni wonder if he just went into s305:47
tophfisherI think so.. hehe05:47
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tophfisherSo I guess it worked/05:48
jgeorgesontried to describe it enough thathe wouldn't accidentally do that05:48
jgeorgesons3 work?05:48
tophfisherTime to go play!05:49
punkasssorry i missed all of it05:51
punkassa stream of messages went across the screen05:51
jgeorgesonall the suspend talk?05:54
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pepsisup even05:56
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punkasssorry yeah...i walked out the room for a min, then when i came back it was a pile of disconnect/reconnet msgs05:57
jgeorgesonpunkass, heh, we figured you had succesfully tired to suspend05:58
punkassno the laptop isnt here right now05:58
jgeorgesoni think i'm about done for the even. c'ya05:59
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PaleonI'm looking for help in tleliing Ubuntu tha my DVD/CD-RW drive is not a CD-drive so I can watch DVDs.06:04
Paleonany ideas?06:04
punkassare u sure u just dont need the libdvdcss file?06:05
punkassthat is required to play dvds06:06
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luisghello everyone06:08
luisgI just installed ubuntu06:08
luisgreally nice and up to date06:08
Paleonthanks.  That fixed it.06:08
punkassPaleon: it does not come with ubuntu, (for legal reasons)06:08
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punkassgood stuff.. :)06:09
luisgso to download packages I would just do apt-get?06:09
punkassyou can use synaptic if u want a GUI interface06:09
punkassComputer > System Config > Synaptic06:09
luisgok guess so bye all06:09
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pepsiim having problems with rhythmbox.. i took out the oss drivers, leaving alsa, and set gstreamer to use also with gstreamer-properties06:13
pepsibut rhythmbox only works as root06:13
pepsiand the group on all the dev files is audio06:13
pepsiand i am in the audio group06:13
crimsundid you just add yourself to the audio group and thus haven't logged out and back in yet?06:14
crimsunso gst is set to use alsa?06:14
crimsunis another dev grabbing the 'default' alsa device?06:15
crimsun(like esd)06:15
bur[n] eranyone have issues with gnome's networking not working with windows samba shares?06:15
bur[n] ersmb://pc doesn't work, but smb://pc/myshare works06:15
crimsunbecause as of a couple days ago, the default sink for gst was changed to esd06:15
pepsiesd is running06:15
crimsunkill esd06:15
crimsunthen try running rhythmbox06:16
pepsisame thing.. it runs but i get "could not create audio output element; check your settings"06:16
pepsiit just reaks of a permissions thing, but all the dev files look ok06:18
pepsicause it works find as root06:18
crimsuncan you play anything from a console player like ogg123?06:18
pepsihavent tried06:19
pepsilemme find an ogg file06:19
crimsunfor ogg123, make sure libao is set to use alsa0906:19
crimsunthen use ogg123 to play an ogg file (vorbis or flac)06:19
pepsihow do i set libao for alsa09?06:20
crimsundo you have an /etc/libao.conf?06:20
crimsun[crimsun@opeth ~] % cat /etc/libao.conf06:20
pepsiwhy yes i do, and its set to oss ;)06:20
pepsithat works06:21
crimsunusing alsa09?06:22
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crimsunor oss06:22
pepsiyes, using alsa9006:22
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crimsunthen it's not a permissions error06:22
crimsunsomething odd in gst06:22
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crimsunneed to ssh to my ubuntu box06:23
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pepsipepsi@violet:~ $ rhythmbox06:24
pepsiDEBUG: gstgconf: error parsing pipeline esdsink06:24
pepsino element "esdsink"06:24
pepsi** (rhythmbox:4911): WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and osssink doesn't work06:24
pepsiGot error opening "http://sc1.magnatune.com:8006/": Could not create audio output element; check your settings06:24
pepsithat makes sense06:25
crimsunyeah, it was switched from osssink a couple days ago06:25
crimsunit's in the changelog.Debian.gz06:25
pepsihow do i make it use alsasink?06:25
crimsunshould be able to set it using gstreamer-properties06:26
crimsun(didn't you already do that?)06:26
pepsiand gstreamer-properties says alsasink06:26
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crimsunk sec06:26
crimsundpkg -l gstreamer0.8-tools|grep ^ii06:28
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pepsiii  gstreamer0.8-t 0.8.5-1        Tools for use with GStreamer06:31
pepsi    <owner>gstreamer</owner>06:35
pepsi      <type>string</type>06:35
pepsi      <default>esdsink</default>06:35
pepsii dunno what the file is06:35
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pepsishould i change that though?06:36
crimsunchange <default>esdsink</default> to <default>alsasink</default>06:36
crimsunyou may have to log out and back in06:36
pepsiwhat is that file?06:36
pepsiand all of the files in gconf06:36
crimsunthey're configuration files written in XML formatting06:36
pepsiso i can dork around with those files if i need to? for future reference06:37
crimsunif you must, yep06:37
crimsunthere's a gconf editor, too06:37
pepsioo look at that06:38
pepsithx :D06:38
pepsiit didnt work, but ill try relogging in06:39
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crimsunok, try this:06:42
crimsungst-launch filesrc location=somefile.ogg ! spider ! alsasink06:42
pepsirhythmbox still says its trying to use esdsink06:43
pepsiWARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and osssink doesn't work06:43
pepsithats weird though06:43
crimsundid you edit <default>esdsink</default> ?06:45
pepsito alsasink06:45
pepsiit claims it doesnt exist at all though06:45
pepsi.. thats how i interpret that message06:45
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crimsuni'm personally not intimately familiar w/ gconf; it's possible you may need to kill gnome-setting-demon and restart it06:47
crimsunthere may be some other gconf* app that needs to be restartei06:47
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pepsiworks now.. i restarted the whole computer and it didnt work, then i ran gconf-editor as myself and i saw esdsink@$%@%06:54
pepsii changed it as root though06:54
pepsiwhat the hell is that06:54
pepsii ran it gconf-editor as root before06:55
pepsibut that makes no sense to me why it wouldnt work like that..06:55
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crimsunoh, sorry, i should have been more clear06:55
crimsungconf settings are per-$USER06:55
pepsioh fun06:55
crimsunand personal settings override the system-wide ones in /etc/gconf/schemas/gstreamer-0.8.schemas06:56
pepsioh ok, so i just changed the system-wide defaults as root06:56
pepsior rather when i edited the file myself06:56
jdubno, you probably changed the root user's setting :)06:56
pepsiroot's settings appeared to have been changed when i edited the file by hand06:57
pepsiim glad this works now... been working on getting sound working all week06:58
pepsihell yeah man.. thanks alot :D07:00
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punkasswell crimsun: i resorted to win98 on that old 16607:01
punkassi tried rox, icewm, xfce, etc07:02
punkassbut 98 runs the smoothest on it07:02
crimsunyeah, X dogs on that kinda hardware configuration07:02
Ashi'm needing to get mono installed; what's the best way to do that with ubuntu?07:03
Ashoh, is it just in there?07:04
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pepsilooks like it07:05
Ashah yeah07:05
Ashthere it is07:05
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cybrjackle_ah, doom3 installer is out :)07:19
Qo-noSaha thanks :)07:20
LeeColletonFirefox 0.10.1 segfaults when I try to load http://www.georgebush.com (even when viewed in google's cache).  Has anyone noticed this?07:20
cybrjackle_looks like it was out the 6th, i'm a little slow, or been busy :)07:20
cybrjackle_LeeColleton, i can get to it fine07:21
LeeColletoncybrjackle_: which version of firefox are you running?07:21
cybrjackle_1.0 pre07:21
cybrjackle_latest in ubuntu repo anyways07:22
crimsunworks fine on 0.10.1 for me07:22
Qo-noSLeeColleton: NO probs here either version 0.10.1+1.0PR-107:22
punkassdoes that installer allow u to run doom3 on linux?07:23
cybrjackle_punkass, why else would i post it :)07:23
cybrjackle_you don't need an installer in windows do you?07:23
punkasswell i just seemed to simple :)07:23
punkassi = it07:23
punkassi thought u would need wine or cedega or something07:24
cybrjackle_no, idsoft is fairly cool about porting to linux07:24
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cybrjackle_you can also check that out07:25
cybrjackle_thats the regular installer, the first one i posted was a gui one someone made up07:25
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calczerowing, hehe07:30
whiprushdoom3 works great here on ubuntu07:30
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whiprushit runs surprisingly well on older hardware07:32
crimsunmatrox mga running on a p166 w/ 32 MB RAM?07:33
cybrjackle_crimsun, prolly not :)07:34
calci have older hardware that should run it07:34
crimsunheh, i barely got ubuntu installed on it07:34
crimsuni enjoy that p166 thank you very much!07:35
calccrimsun: get a athlon64 3800 939 :)07:35
cybrjackle_my Dual Xeon 2.8 and FX 5700 ultra runs it pretty good, not sure why yours wont crimsun?07:35
calcthat should run doom3 decently07:35
crimsuncybrjackle_: well the power cable on my dual xeon 2.8 and fx 5700 is disconnected07:36
Qo-noSMicksa: heh07:36
bur[n] ereh, too loud anyway07:36
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bur[n] eranyone familiar with firefox 1.0 preview and its plugin installation?07:37
cybrjackle_bur[n] er, a lot of plugins are pretty easy07:37
bur[n] erwell... i get the missing plugin thing... i click install plugin, it downloads... says it installs, reloads the page, i get prompted again to install07:38
bur[n] eri'm thinking a permission thing... i'm gonna run firefox as root first 07:38
bur[n] erbut i'm not sure if that'll do it07:39
cybrjackle_that shouldn't matter07:39
cybrjackle_what pluging07:39
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bur[n] erflash07:39
bur[n] eri ran as root to no avail07:39
bur[n] eri think it's my firefox install that's messed up... permissions on .firefox mayb?07:39
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cybrjackle_i don't think your permisions would mess up on firefox07:41
calcis it possible to make sleep work on ubuntu?07:41
cybrjackle_have you updated it and not closed it out07:41
bur[n] ernot closed it out?07:42
bur[n] eri close firefox...07:42
cybrjackle_updated firefox through apt and closed it out07:42
bur[n] erthen open it again to the page with flash07:42
bur[n] eri honestly have no idea what to do about it07:43
cybrjackle_ls ~/.mozilla/plugins07:45
cybrjackle_sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree 07:46
cybrjackle_and see were that gets you07:46
calcclee: any ideas?07:48
menator_why does flash require ruby?07:48
bur[n] erany idea how to get the plugin installation builtin to firefox to work cybrjackle_ ?07:49
menator_have you tried using firefox's builtin plugin manager?07:49
calcclee: wrt how to get sleep to work on laptops07:50
cybrjackle_bur[n] er, what do you get back from "ls ~/.mozilla/plugins"07:50
menator_clee: hold up let me see if I can find the extension.07:51
bur[n] ercybrjackle_: no such dir07:52
bur[n] eri have .firefox/plugins07:52
bur[n] erbut nothing in there either07:52
menator_clee: I think it only works in mozilla, not in firefox07:53
cybrjackle_bur[n] er, do you have bookmarks or anything in your firefox that is important?07:53
bur[n] ernah07:53
bur[n] ernothing i can't recreate07:53
bur[n] eryou thinking rm -rf .firefox?07:54
cybrjackle_as your user "rm -fr .firefox07:54
cybrjackle_and then fire it up again07:54
cybrjackle_try going to nvidia.com07:54
bur[n] erooh07:54
bur[n] eri have the plugins there07:54
bur[n] erthey just don't load :\07:54
cybrjackle_they always have a flash need ;)07:54
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bur[n] ercartoonnetwork.com has been my flash tester ;)07:54
bur[n] erflashplayer.xpt07:56
bur[n] erlibflashplayer.so07:56
bur[n] erthose files are in my plugins folder, but they don't seem to be doing anything?07:56
cybrjackle_did you already do the rm -fr .firefox07:57
bur[n] ernope07:57
cybrjackle_try it then07:58
cybrjackle_close out of firefox and rm it07:58
cybrjackle_fire it backup07:58
bur[n] eri'm gonna do a dpkg-reconfigure on it for kicks too07:59
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bur[n] erSegmentation fault08:04
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bur[n] erso... flash installed, page reloaded.. started to load flash, and segfault :\08:04
bur[n] eroh well08:04
bur[n] eranytime i leave a website that has flash... firefox dies08:05
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miichaelquestion. how do i get my windows disk to show08:17
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RedMenacefor some reason fdisk will not work on my computer.   says the command is found, but I have the util-linux package installed08:29
Lathiat_miichael: is it ntfs or fat32?08:29
Lathiat_RedMenace: try cfdisk08:30
RedMenacenot found08:30
Lathiat_RedMenace: just be careful if you break somethign its notmy fault :)08:30
Lathiat_apt-get install it08:30
RedMenaceI tried.   says to install util-linux, which is already installed08:30
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Lathiat_miichael: did you want to write to it?08:31
Lathiat_or just read it08:31
Lathiat_ok well if you add to /etc/fstab08:31
Lathiat_. /dev/hdaX / ntfs uid=1000 0 008:32
bborkkAnyone know how to disable the listing of 'recent documents' in Computer->Recent Documents?08:32
Lathiat_where hdaX is your windows partition08:32
Lathiat_bborkk: opening files you shouldnt be? :)08:32
bborkkSomeone else is. :)08:32
jdubbborkk: you can't directly, but you could create a .recent-files file and make it non-read/write-able08:32
bborkkIt would be nice if Ubuntu came with a Paranoid option.08:33
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Lathiat_jdub: does the hal in ubuntu only pick up removable devices?08:34
miichael2nd thing. i can not get my sound to work08:35
bborkkjdub: You mean .recently-used, I think.08:35
Lathiat_miichael: You tried to configure it already and it failed or don't know how or?08:35
RedMenaceWith Synaptic ... what's the difference between restricted, restricted universe and security repositories?08:35
miichaeldont know how08:35
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miichaelit keeps tryin to run off my onboard sound and not my soundblaster08:37
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miichaelin suse i was able to switch the soundblaster to snd0 and the onboard to snd108:40
Lathiat_miichael: ah08:40
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Lathiat_i guess a hack would be to manually load the module for yoru sound blaster from /etc/modules, i dont have a working alsa setup to figure out what to change to swap them arounhd properly sorry08:42
Lathiat_someone else might know butit seems quiet atm08:42
crimsunwhich two ALSA driver modules are you using?08:43
crimsunpass index=0 to the first card you wish to use and index=1 to the second08:43
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Lathiat_crimsun: does the installer add them to /etc/modules ?08:47
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Lathiat_the oss driver is a bit FITH too but at least it works08:47
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=== joolz just installed on an Asus a2500
joolzeverything looks fine, sound, display, touchpad08:49
crimsunLathiat_: no the installer doesn't add the index options08:50
joolzsomething I don't really like is that when you dualboot via grub, you have to press esc to choose something other than the default08:50
joolzand you have to do it fast too :)08:50
Lathiat_crimsun: i mean the modules im nottalking about the index options :)08:51
Lathiat_joolz: thats probably an option in /boot/grub/menu.lst08:51
RedMenacejoolz: you can change that by editing /boot/grub/menu.1st08:52
crimsunLathiat_: i don't know the new behaviour. I believe hotplug handles that now.08:52
joolzLathiat_: I know, but someone new with linux wouldn't08:52
RedMenacecomment out the line, 'hiddenmenu'08:52
Lathiat_joolz: rightio08:52
joolzso I don't see it as an error, but could be more userfriendly08:52
Lathiat_but ubuntu is designed to take over your whole computer see ;)08:52
RedMenaceand change the line 'timeout 3' to something like 'timeout 6'08:52
joolzresistance is futile :)08:53
Lathiat_joolz: if your notdual booting its more user friendly to be look this, imho08:53
Lathiat_cus if you see a menu you think you have to do something08:53
RedMenacelathiat_: true08:53
joolzfc defaults to e menu with a timeout. imo that's more clear08:53
hazmatwhats the apt url for debian unstable?08:54
RedMenaceI'm just tryin to get my system to Dual boot with Windows at all ... so far I've had my WindowsXP partition corrupted and destroyed.  Good start.08:54
hazmathttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/ ?08:54
crimsunwhat sort of apt url?08:55
joolzAlso it would be nice if the installer would do an updatedb right away08:55
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crimsunthat's unwise imo08:55
joolzcrimsun: how's that?08:56
crimsunperhaps ask the user after the first reboot so it might run in the background08:56
LeeColletonjoolz: that is too much of a load for some systems08:56
hazmatcrimsun, the url for debian unstable08:56
joolzLeeColleton: oh... OK, sounds fait08:56
hazmati want to pull in the mono packages to rebuild for ppc08:56
crimsunhazmat: why not use tseng's debs?08:56
hazmatbecause their x86 binary08:56
hazmatand i'm on ppc08:57
crimsunhazmat: use his deb-src line08:57
crimsun(presuming he has one)08:57
hazmatunfortunately not08:57
crimsunbest to ask him for his diff.gzs08:57
crimsunthen apply them against his orig.tar.gzs08:57
hazmat their just from debian unstable rebuilt08:58
crimsundeb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free08:58
hazmatcool thanks08:58
crimsunbut be aware that you have to be comfortable with apt-pinning if you wish to use the deb line08:58
hazmati'm just going to fetch them, and remove it08:58
crimsuni have a mixed sid>ubuntu system atm08:59
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crimsunit'll be completely ubuntu in about two months08:59
hazmati'm a debian newb.. so i'd rather not chance pain and suffering..08:59
crimsunlots of /etc/apt/preferences fun ;)08:59
hazmatof course i'm trying to rebuild my kernel at the moment.. oh well.. too late ;-)08:59
hazmatrobert love put out a patch for inotify and the ubuntu kernel09:00
RedMenaceAnyone having problems dual booting with WinXP from one drive?09:00
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crimsunhazmat: at the most i'd file a wishlist bugzilla entry against the kernel(s)09:01
joolzRedMenace: don't know about xp, but i just installed dualboot with win2k. No problems whatsoever09:01
hazmatits not stable enough to go into mainstream..09:01
hazmatand the only real use for it at the moment outside of developing one's own programs is beagle.09:02
RedMenacejoolz: Can you show me your grub entry to boot Win2k?  Should be the same as XP09:02
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hazmatwhich is also unstable.09:02
joolzRedMenace: sure, just a sec09:02
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joolz"Configuring network interfaces" takes a long time when you're not connected. Does anyone know if i can lower the timeout somewhere?09:06
punkassjoolz: you talkin about bootup?09:08
joolzpunkass: yes09:08
calcjoolz: you could theoretically detect that the cable is not connected and skip it completely09:08
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punkassyeah i just took mine off auto09:08
joolzcalc: how do i do that?09:08
RedMenaceMan .... the Ubuntu install did some weird stuff .... I made a partition at the beginning of my drive, starting at 1 .... somehow this partition was labeled partition4.  I would have thought it would be 1.09:08
calcjoolz: not sure, that is why i said it in that way ;)09:08
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joolzcalc: :)09:08
punkasscalc: really? like hotplug for network cable.09:09
crimsunRedMenace: probably marked an extended partition? check w/ {c}fdisk09:09
calcwell there is a way to tell if the cable is unplugged but i don't know if its uniform09:09
crimsunan extended would have been >=509:09
joolzRedMenace: here's the grub entry for win2k: title Windows NT/2000/XP ; root (hd0,0) ; savedefault ; makeactive ; chainloader +109:09
joolz ; = newline09:09
RedMenaceYou didn't use rootnoverify?09:10
joolzRedMenace:  this is just the way the installer did it. I touched nothing :)09:10
bborkkpunkass, calc: Until we figure out how to tell if the cable is there, is a quick way to lower the timeout?09:11
RedMenaceOh weird .... the installer didn't even see my WindowsXP09:11
RedMenaceI had to add the entry myself09:11
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punkassbborkk: i am not sure...i just turn my 'auto' off09:11
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RedMenaceWell, I'll try it out09:11
punkassso it doesnt detect anything on boot up.09:11
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joolzmaybe Fedora did some of the hard work. When I installed ubuntu, I removed the fc partitions, let win2k live and installed on the available room09:12
punkassthen depending what i am using wifi/cable i just enable it09:12
bborkkpunkass: Yeah, that's what I do as well.  I think I like that option better anyway... best to be aware of what network you're on.09:12
punkassdid u end up tryin that little pyfi app out?09:13
bborkkhey, whatever happened to tuxracer?09:13
punkassi think u can apt-get it09:13
joolzdoes ubuntu have a graphical ssh-agent on board?09:13
bborkkpunkass: Not yet, although I looked through it a bit... I spent today getting my graphics card up and running.09:13
punkassah..well u can use it to connect to wired network too09:14
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punkassjoolz: for browsing files?09:14
bborkkpunkass: I tried apt-get install tuxracer, just like the InterWeb told me, but Ubuntu's apt doesn't know about that package.09:14
punkassbborkk: even in universe?09:14
joolzno, for making ssh connections to servers without typing in the password each time. ssh-agent does this in console-land09:15
RedMenaceANyone ever had the error "Error13 - Invalid or unsupported executable format" from GRUB when tryin to boot into XP or anything else?09:15
punkassah right09:15
bborkkpunkass: How do I specify universe from the command line?09:15
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punkassyou either have to edit the sources.list file or use sypatic and check it there09:15
nxvlthe ubuntu developers are here?09:16
punkassi should be in the source.list file just have to remove the #09:16
nxvlthe ones who began with the proyect?09:16
punkassi =it09:16
bborkkpunkass: Oh, I thought universe was already in sources.list... guess not.09:16
punkassnxvl: they are alwasy here...all around...watching... ;)09:17
crimsununiverse is in sources.list by default, just commented out.09:17
menator_Alright, got my wireless working finally, on to eclipse and java09:17
nxvlpunkass: who are they09:17
nxvlpunkass: i must to talk to then09:17
crimsunnxvl: just speak to the channel then09:17
bborkknxvl: Only the Oracle can tell you that.09:17
nxvli'm from peru09:18
punkassor use the mailing list09:18
nxvland i'm from de debian User Group from here09:18
nxvland i'm making a presentation of, why to base a distro in debian09:18
joolzhmm, i don't really like the dependency between evolution and ubuntu desktop09:19
nxvland in particulary i have to mention ubunto09:19
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nxvlso i want to ask they why he based Ubuntu in Debian09:19
joolznxvl: isn't that in the faqs somewhere?09:20
nxvlno, i didn't think so09:20
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nxvlthe reasons why it is based in Debian and not in RedHat for example aren't there i think09:21
joolznxvl: oh... i'm not a developer, so I can't tell you why they did it. Glad with it though09:21
joolzi was (partly still am) on fedora. Very nice, but too heavy for a desktop09:22
RedMenaceok ... if I do an fdisk, I get the message "Partition table entries are not in disk order".   How do I fix this?  I'm wondering if this is why I'm having trouble dual booting to Windows.09:23
bborkknxvl: I think it is at least in part because some of the Ubuntu developers are/were Debian developers first.09:23
nxvlbborkk: but it must be another reason09:24
nxvli have think in some09:24
bborkknxvl: I think that's a pretty good reason.  Although it does lead to the question of why they are Debian developers in the first place.09:24
nxvland i think it maybe can be because debian hasn't much bugs because it is very well probed09:24
bborkknxvl: I'm sure that's part of it too.09:25
punkasssleep time:  nite all09:25
bborkkpunkass: nite09:25
nxvlbborkk: i think it is a good reason but for the presentation isn't09:25
punkassbborkk: oh and dont look through that pyfi code...its pretty ugly :)09:26
menator_anyone know where I can find a java and/or eclipse repository?09:26
bborkkpunkass: Ha.  I'll show you ugly someday.09:26
bborkkpunkass: I'll try it out tomorrow, hopefully.09:27
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punkasscool..lots of stuff i want to fix up on it still.09:27
joolzanyone know what's the opposite of indexignore in .htaccess?09:28
punkassi did an update, then noticed that iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxx   wasnt remembering the key09:28
punkassso i had to modify my version to edit the interfaces file and add the key to it...09:28
punkasskinda wierd..but it works ;)09:29
bborkkpunkass: I'm pretty good at complaining, so I'll be sure to look out for gotchas.  :)09:29
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punkasslol right on 09:29
bborkkpunkass: Huh... is that a bug with iwconfig?09:29
punkassnot really sure...it was on my bosses laptop and i was in a crunch to get it fix before he left on a business trip09:29
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punkassso i havnt had time to check it out yet09:30
joolzah... option +indexes09:30
bborkkpunkass: That must mean that Ubuntu is already out in the wild and not confined to the likes of us.  That's great.09:31
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punkassbborkk: yeah he was sick of windows, so i said "hey ive got this sweet new linux distro u can try"09:31
bborkkpunkass: That's pretty cool of him... most people I know won't budge.09:32
punkassbut that was the main reason for creating pyfi...he needed a simple way to connect to wireless etc09:32
punkassyeah it is, hes pretty open to linux09:33
punkassmost of the computers in the office are running linux...i am slowly going to switch them all to ubuntu09:33
bborkkpunkass: Well, whatever you're putting in his coffee, keep on it.09:33
punkassgot a thinclient server running fc2 right now..09:34
nxvldid u know the mails from the developers or how could i contact them?09:34
punkassnxvl: no, but i am sure the website must have that info on it09:35
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punkassok, really off to sleep now ;)09:35
bborkknxvl: They hang out here.  I recommend you submit a request for an enhancement to the website in the form of a FAQ of why they chose Debian.09:35
bborkkpunkass: G'night.09:35
nxvlbborkk: thnx09:36
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nxvlthere is some usefull information in the web09:38
Maskie_nxvl: the best person probably to answer that question is Mark Shuttleworth who is the main person behind Ubuntu ... you will find him here from time to time otherwise on the ubuntu-devel list09:39
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menator_Has anyone tried installing java and eclipse from a sid repository?09:42
bborkkAnyone notice that the fglrx drivers for the ATI FireGL T2 don't quite work?  I just played Tuxracer, but something was wrong with the camera position or something. 09:53
bborkkIt was as if the camera was halfway buried in the ground.  Lots of flickering polygons.09:54
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PandUIs ubuntu amd-64 a pure64 system and Can I chroot to a 32bit system from pure6409:55
calcPandU: ubuntu uses /lib /lib32 /lib6409:56
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PandUso it should be alright09:57
RedMenaceWhat's the source module for AMD64 warty?09:57
PandUif i chroot to the 32 bit system how do i export the DISPLAY to run x apps09:58
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PandUI dont wont to start x server on chrooted sys09:59
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wu_minghi, how do i configure emacs to have syntax highlighting and indenting for editing c,c++,java source files09:59
menator_anyone use eclipse?10:00
wu_mingtoo slow10:00
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wu_mingany good ide for gnome?10:01
MyKq3hello. how do i install jvm on ubuntu (FireFox)? ... i tryed to to put SIMLINK of java on the ~/.mozilla/plugin/ but still it don't wotk10:01
menator_wu_ming: anjuta10:01
crimsuneclipse uses gtk, no?10:01
crimsun*wt or whatever10:01
menator_crimsun: GTK or Motif10:02
crimsunthought so10:02
wu_mingisnt eclipse java based10:02
menator_crimsun: too bad java and eclipse aren't in the repositories10:02
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wu_mingjava is slow...10:03
crimsunjava is bearable10:03
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menator_java is fast the startup of the jvm is slow.10:03
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MyKq3 i don't know .. i think that Java is slow in any case ...10:04
bluewheelJava is slow10:04
menator_I agree that it is slow in some areas.10:04
wu_minganyone know how to make syntax and indentation in emacs?10:04
hazmatjava programs can be speedy10:04
hazmatminus startup overhead... lucene is a great example, imho.10:04
menator_there is a native java compiler in the works. Forgot what its called.10:05
bluewheelhazmat, totally, but for processor intensive they are shocking i had to do an evolutionary algorythum's in them and it was slow 10:05
bluewheeljava was forced, not my choice10:05
hazmatmenator_, gcj is a native compiler.. also towerj (commercial)10:05
menator_the group that made it compiled eclipse with it.10:05
menator_is that what is is?10:05
hazmatgcj yup10:05
wu_mingbut i thought swing wasnt implemented yet10:06
menator_not sure.10:06
hazmatthe default version in ubuntu is a bit borked... if you want to use it upgrade to gcj-3.4 (in universe)10:06
MyKq3do u know how can i install JVM ? i really need to install it today ...10:06
bluewheelwhat is java like on ppc atm ? does anyone know if it's implemented with swing ? 10:07
MyKq3thank u very much 10:07
menator_works, but I am still working on getting eclipse to work.10:07
hazmatbluewheell, i'm using the ibm ppc java version... (1.4.2)10:07
wu_mingany luck menator10:07
hazmatworks okay10:07
bluewheelok cool :-) 10:07
menator_eclipse bombs out with x11gtk libraries not found.10:07
MyKq3menator_, : real thanks10:07
wu_minghmmm i try also10:08
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hazmatbluewheel, not everything works, because some stuff depends on sun libraries... azureus (java bitorrent) for example bombs out.10:08
joefalis there like a non-preveiw release of ubuntu?10:08
menator_azureus uses eclipse.org/swt stuff for the gui, thats where I had problems getting it to work.10:09
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smojoefal: Not yet.  If all goes to plan, that'll be April 200510:10
jdubjoefal: on the 20th, warty final will be released10:10
jdubjoefal: then the next final will be in april next year10:10
joefalthis ubuntu seems to be a VERY good dist, the best iive used so far10:11
joefalcant wait10:11
|trey|jdub: you don't sleep do you?  :)10:11
jdub|trey|: it's 18:0010:11
smoI knew I shoulda waited until I'd found the roadmap on the wiki.  I was under the impression Hoary was going to be the first 'real' release?10:11
|trey|jdub: ahh, where you at? its 1am here  :/10:11
joemjdub, know how to go about migrating evolution calendar data from 1.4 to 2.010:12
joemgeneral question10:12
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joefalwat ports does sshd run on?10:12
joem22 by default10:12
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joefalhmm when i sshd i can get in, but when i try my ip address i cant10:13
jdubjoem: if you have an ~/evolution directory, it should automigrate10:13
|trey|joefal: I don't think anyone should really judge Ubuntu too much till Hoary... warty is basically setting the president for other releases, Hoary appears likely to include the "professional modern looking distro" that Fedora and SuSE at least are striving for...10:13
joefalare there any other ports? i need to port redirect them10:13
joemif it doesn't, is there a way to do it manually?10:13
|trey|joefal: then, if you already like Ubuntu, then things will only get better for you  :)10:13
|trey|joem: to do what? I missed the question  :(10:14
joefalcool, when will hoary come out?10:14
joemmigrate evo 1.4 cal data to 2.0 manually10:14
|trey|joem: ahh, there pretty much has to be, but I don't know how  :(10:15
menator_I hope java will get supported regardless of the license issues. 10:15
|trey|joem: you ought to have the dir though...10:15
jdubjoem: evo1.4 calendar data is just an ics file10:15
|trey|menator_: it won't be supported... but I hope they put it in Universe...10:15
jdubmenator_: it won't be; we can't support software we don't have access to10:16
|trey|jdub: been noticing multiverse recently... whats it all about?10:16
menator_well at least in the unsupported repo10:16
jdub|trey|: non-free universe10:16
wu_mingjoem: try to edit gconf if it doesnt auto migrate10:16
|trey|jdub: hmm, so the kinda place java might end up?  :)10:16
joemok cool10:16
jdub|trey|: maybe10:17
joemwas asking for somebody else, don't have any evo-1.4 stuff laying around10:17
menator_java is too popular to not include no matter what distro.10:17
jdubmenator_: what's popular is not always compatible with the goals of the distribution10:17
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wu_mingjoem: try change apps->evolution->lastversion & version to 1.4 in gconf editor10:18
smomenator_: no sane company can afford to ignore licensing just because it feels good.  There's far too many lawyers around already10:19
menator_true, but for a distro to be effectively accepted, you can't make your users jump through hoops to get support for a widespread technology.10:20
|trey|jdub: I was kinda guesing that multiverse would some how link to actual sources for software... so ubuntu/canonical didn't actually get in trouble for distribution... would that be feasable?10:20
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menator_I'm not saying to ignore licensing issues all together, Sun offers java on most major platforms.10:21
|trey|jdub: so for instance, linking to Marillats sources via multiverse etc... would keep Ubuntu out of trouble, while still keeping users happy?10:21
|trey|menator_: just for a heads up... Sun doesn't allow you to redistribute Java without prior written consent... hence need to get it _from_ them in one way or another...10:22
wu_minganyone know how to configure syntax highlightning in emacs/xemacs?10:22
|trey|wu_ming: *coughviisbettercough*  ;)10:22
menator_just have an install script notify the user to download the jdk to a specified directory, thus accepting suns license and the user is happy.10:23
menator_gentoo does it.10:23
|trey|menator_: this isn't Gentoo, such comments are useless...10:23
|trey|menator_: Ubuntu has someone Sun can sue, Gentoo does not10:23
menator_philosophy is useless.10:23
menator_A suggestion to help a distro is useless....10:24
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|trey|Ubuntu has to be a little more careful then Gentoo...10:24
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fughidabowitso has anyone here had any luck installing the drivers for an ATI Radeon 9800 pro???10:24
whatzzz-uphello people of Ubuntu . :)10:25
menator_true, but the user accepting the license circumvents any possible legal issue.10:25
menator_As long as the script doesn't automatically bypass that process, Ubuntu will be safe.10:26
|trey|menator_: watch multiverse.10:26
whatzzz-upcan someone tell how to  stop wvdial after i have connected to internete? i don't want to kill the process?please...10:27
|trey|whatzzz-up: it doesn't provide any type of interface?10:27
whatzzz-up|trey|, no i runned it from console10:27
|trey|whatzzz-up: I was right about it being included huh?  :)10:27
|trey|whatzzz-up: ran*  ;)10:27
chevwIWhen legal action is taken, all those in favour of ignoring the provisions before would suddenly and without reason go MIA. Ubuntu and most other sensible distros understands this for NO one will take the rap should things go really awry. Unl;ess that is someone signs something black and white that is legally binding and thus assuming for himslef/herself fully and totally all consequences of using proprietary stuff for himself, other use10:27
chevwIrs and the distro/s. Can't see it happening to be absoultely honest. ;)10:27
whatzzz-up|trey|, no , it wasn't. again . LOL. i instalkled it manually from the debian packages10:28
menator_|trey|: I will, checking out for tonight..10:28
|trey|whatzzz-up: eh, idgi...10:28
MyKq3i have done all the instraction on this site to install JVM (http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian) but still it don't work  ( i didn't tryed to installthe SDK)10:29
wu_mingi keep on getting warnings: "setting locale failed" in synaptic, LANGUAG=(unset), LC_ALL=(unset), how do i fix this10:29
MyKq3do u have any idea what should i do?10:29
|trey|anyway, yeah, its not loaded here... I don't know how to stop it without killing the daemon...10:29
whatzzz-up|trey|, any idea of how to stop wvdial?10:29
whatzzz-up|trey|, oh ok10:29
wu_minghmmm it should work, coz i installed java based on those instructions before10:29
|trey|whatzzz-up: my guess would be something like /etc/init.d/ppp stop or simular.10:29
|trey|MyKq3: you link correctly to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?10:30
whatzzz-up|trey|, i better kill the proccess10:30
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|trey|whatzzz-up: k10:30
wu_mingMyKq3: did u reboot10:30
|trey|wu_ming: why would rebooting help?10:31
|trey|this isn't Winblows10:31
MyKq3wu_ming,  look i have restarted my FF and then go to this page to test and i still don't c the picture of the test http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp10:31
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daniels|trey|: dude, please save your Windows rants for #offtopic10:32
MyKq3 I haven't rebootrf cuse i didn't installed the SDK pack ... i don't need it . all i need it the JVM,10:32
|trey|daniels: I wasn't ranting, just saying the dude doesn't need to reboot to get java working  :/10:32
|trey|Sorry if it was percieved that way though...10:33
daniels|trey|: either way, it's not terribly constructive.  not in here, please.10:33
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|trey|MyKq3: ln -s /usr/lib/java-dir/where/the/plugin/is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/10:35
|trey|MyKq3: once you do that, Java will work. most plugins link to Mozilla, not firefox...10:35
|trey|MyKq3: for more ease: ln -s ../../mozilla/plugins/libj<tab> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/10:36
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|trey|MyKq3: for more ease: ln -s ../../mozilla/plugins/libj<tab> .     from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ dir10:37
|trey|MyKq3: I see the image... I just installed java and added the symlink... so yeah, that should work  :)10:38
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unimatrix9hi there10:41
unimatrix9ubuntu live cd...running10:41
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RedMenaceIf I wanted to change the horizontal and vertical settings for my monitor, where would I do that?  I'm currently capped at 60Hz, which is hurting my eyes.  My monitor should do 100Hz at this resolution.10:51
|trey|RedMenace: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8610:52
TreenaksRedMenace: and select "medium" difficulty monitor selection if it asks.. then select the highest possible resolution+refresh (you can select the mode you want to use later, if that's lower than the monitor's max)10:53
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RedMenacethere's 1024K in 1Meg, right?10:55
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RedMenaceIt's asking for my video memory in KB10:55
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alessandro_I try both ubuntu and ubuntu live but both end the boot with a black screen...10:56
alessandro_RedMenace, yes10:56
Iorekis there a way to have ubunu's rhythmbox work with xine instead of gstreamer?10:57
IorekI know it's possible when you configure it from source...10:58
RedMenacefor configuring x-server, what do I select for my mouse port if I'm using a USB mouse?   /dev/input/mice?10:58
spivRedMenace: Yep.10:59
unimatrix9hi there, where do i file an bug report?10:59
|trey|unimatrix9: bugzilla.ubuntu.com10:59
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Iorekhmh, I'll have to recompile rhythmbox then :P11:02
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unimatrix9there is an issue on the bttv chipset, the tvtime program does not save the scanned channels..is this an bug? or should i file it somewhere else, what do you think?11:02
unimatrix9and xawtv does not function either as it should..11:02
unimatrix9should i file it?11:02
|trey|Iorek: recompiling to enable a worse technology makes no sense, but ok...11:03
|trey|especially if you're having no problems with gstreamer... 11:04
spivunimatrix9: If the program is in main, then yes.11:04
Iorektrey: gstreamer doesn't play half of my mp3s, xine does. No argument :)11:04
|trey|Iorek: umm, ok.... both use mad though  :/11:05
|trey|(mpeg audio decoder)11:05
|trey|Iorek: its more likely that its an issue with the decoder, not the audio architecture11:06
Ioreksame mp3 plays in totem-xine, not in rhythmbox11:07
malte`same thing here11:07
unimatrix9hmm, dont know about that..11:08
smoI've not had a single problem with gstreamer-mad, and I've a few more mp3s than I'd care to admit to11:08
unimatrix9i think it (the program) came from the universe part of ubunut11:08
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Iorekmhh...importing mp3s was troublesome in every app I tried11:10
Iorekdon't think it's a gstreamer problem, juK uses gstreamer and had no problems whatsoever11:12
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alakdanhello, just wondering whats ubuntus alternative to modconf for managing kernel modules?11:18
Treenaksalakdan: sudo nano /etc/modules11:19
alakdanTreenaks: thanks :)11:21
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spivalakdan: Although, it's suppposed to detect your hardware and load the modules you need automatically...11:23
spivalakdan: What modules do you need to load?11:24
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azeemI tried booting the Ubuntu prerelease on my parent's box with a SCSI CD-ROM, but ISOlinux barfs right at the beginning, before the Ubuntu screen. Is there a way to boot from floppy and then run the installation from CD?11:38
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MyKq3what do u mean by "but ISOlinux barfs right at the beginning.."11:39
azeemwell, some messages about checksum being wrong and having detected a bad-behaving BIOS11:40
azeemand then 'press enter to reboot'11:40
azeemthat CD boots fine in my Thinkpad11:41
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jaydencrap i forgot what i was sapposed to add to fstab to beable to read the ntfs windows drives11:44
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crimsunazeem: create a grub boot diskette11:45
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crimsunazeem: at the prompt edit the choice to point to your ide drive11:46
azeemI want to boot from my SCSI CD-ROM though11:46
crimsunsorry, misread11:46
crimsunthen edit it to point to your scsi drive11:47
azeemhmm, what's the GRUB command-line to boot a CD?11:47
danielsMacPlusG3: 'sup11:47
azeemGRUB is already running on the box anyway11:47
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monteiroi installed armagetron and it doesnt work :( the error is:  Data files not found. You have to run Armagetron from its own directory.12:01
monteiroanyone knows how to solve this ?12:01
pepsidid you run it from its own directory?12:01
monteiroi did an apt-get install armagetron12:02
monteiroit is supposed to work12:02
monteiroi think12:02
pepsihow did you run it?12:02
pepsii hav eno clue what it is though12:02
monteiroit's a game12:03
pepsiso howd you run it12:04
monteiroarmagetron in the console12:04
pepsilocate armagetron12:05
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Gwaihiri have a problem with .ICEauthority: every time i login it says that the last session has lasted 10 sec. and that it cannot read .ICEauthority. Using a emergency terminal i resolved the problem but it happen again when i reboot ! any suggestion ?12:10
TreenaksGwaihir: did you execute some program as root?12:12
TreenaksGwaihir: remove .ICEauthority and re-login12:12
Gwaihiri'll try !12:12
monteiroanyone knows how a normal user couldn't see what is inside the root or other users ?12:13
Treenaksmonteiro: uh.. what do you mean? an explanation of the UNIX permission system?12:13
crimsunmonteiro: at the very least, chmod 700 the home directories.12:13
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monteirocrimsun : ok, thanx :)12:15
GwaihirTreenaks, now is working ! thx  !12:15
TreenaksGwaihir: but did you run an X program as root/12:16
TreenaksGwaihir: that's the most likely cause (you shouldn't run stuff as root...)12:16
Gwaihiri was compiling xsupplicant.... 12:17
TreenaksGwaihir: you don't need root for compiling12:18
TreenaksGwaihir: only for installing, and even then, there's a package available, so you don't need to compile12:18
TreenaksGwaihir: apt-get install xsupplicant should work12:18
Gwaihiri see, but i've a preference in compiling !12:23
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Gwaihiri'll find it more interesting12:24
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joh_whats the easy way to play css DVD movies?12:26
Smeggygrab libdvdcss as a deb12:27
Smeggyinstall it12:27
Smeggythen install ogle and ogle_gui from universe12:27
TreenaksGwaihir: then use apt-get -b source12:29
TreenaksGwaihir: at leat you'll be able to upgrade cleanly then12:29
Treenaksjoh_: there's a "restricted formats" page in the wiki12:30
GwaihirTreenaks: didn't know that, thx i'll try !12:31
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lmlWhat is the easiest way for me to install MythTV?12:47
monteirowhen i run armagetron-dedicated it gives me the following error : Data files not found. You have to run Armagetron from its own directory :: anyone knows how to solve this ?12:49
darksatanicDid you do what it says?12:50
monteirobut i did the apt-get12:52
monteiroand it should have worked12:52
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Mannyhi :)12:53
darksatanicI would suggest finding the place that the armagetron binary was installed, 12:53
darksatanicand running the command from there. 12:53
MannyUbuntu rocks, thanks to all devels :)12:53
darksatanicLike the error message tells you to.12:53
monteirodarksatanic : /usr/games12:53
MannyI'd like to report a bug, though (ubuntu-desktop dep. on totem-gstreamer instead of totem). The bugzilla isn't willing to send me my confirmation mail, though12:54
Mannyand bug-buddy obviously hasn't been fed with ubuntu bug information12:54
joh_Treenaks: thanks!01:00
Treenaksjoh_: ?01:00
MithrandirManny: I'll look at it.01:00
MithrandirManny: why do you think it's a bug, btw?01:00
MannyMithrandir: because totem/gstreamer doesn't work perfectly at the moment, totem-xine is mutually exclusive with totem-gstreamer and therefore ubuntu-desktop is removed if I install totem-xine01:01
Mannythanks for doing so! :)01:01
MannyI'm quiet eager to see how this experiment (if I got it right, every contributor has free access to all pkgs) will emerge, taken that the GNOME CVS works the same way01:02
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david_how can i get Gdesklets on Ubuntu?01:03
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Mannydavid_: add the universe repository to your sources.list01:03
Mannyyou can do this through synaptic as well01:03
david_ah cool01:03
Mannyindeed, that's what debian/ubuntu is all about ("ah cool") :)01:04
malte`you're right Manny01:04
monteiroanyone has armagetron-server working ?01:04
smoI thought the same when I finally saw the fabled camera import dialog01:04
david_this is my first go on a deb based distro01:04
Mannythanks to all the great work that has been done on the underlying components, linux distros really start to rock. hotplug, udev, dbus, gnome-volume-manager, etc. :)01:05
malte`david_: mine too01:06
smoI think all I need now, is for someone to introduce the f-spot guys to espresso.  then I'll be a happy chappy01:06
Mannysmo: what is espresso?01:07
malte`yesterday i wiped out a 20 months Gentoo install01:07
Mannysmo: I might be your man01:07
david_hmm i dont seem to be able to start Gdesklets.. there was only one package i needed, no dependencies01:08
Mannydavid_: well, you know how to use gdesklets?01:08
Mannygdesklets depends on python etc. which is delivered with ubuntu01:08
smodavid_: You might be interested in gdesklets-data too .. that appears to contain most the desklets themselves01:08
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david_ah where can i find the -data package?01:09
david_Manny: first time01:09
Mannydavid_: it's in universe as well01:09
Mannydavid_: FAQs are to be read01:09
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Mannyhrm that FAQ is outdated01:10
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david_sounds like i need the -data package01:11
david_although i dont see it in Gnome DE (universe)01:11
smoit appears to be in universe/x11.  I'd recommend using the search function more often .. especially with that many packages to leaf thru01:12
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david_ah thanks01:13
david_ok thats installed01:13
smoI think that's one of the first things I noticed on debian.  when 'apt-cache stats' reports over 13,000 packages, you know you want to automate finding things :o)01:13
david_i still cant start it from the Applications menu which is odd01:14
Mannydavid_: synaptic?01:15
Mannydavid_: what's the problem?01:15
david_ive installled both Gdesklets and its -data package01:15
david_im trying to run it from Applications menu01:15
david_top left of my screen01:15
Mannydavid_: argh01:15
Mannydavid_: you need some desklets first01:15
Mannyunfortunately IMHO there is still no nice gui for desklet management01:16
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david_heh the main website is down :@01:16
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andi84hmm have a big problem, upgradet yesterday all packetes, and now my desktop is not workin correctly any more01:18
andi84my background image is gone01:18
andi84i am not able to create anything on ot01:18
andi84and my icons are gone01:19
david_Synaptic doesnt seem to want to get the libgtk1.2 dependency for XMMS, which im trying to install..01:19
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Mannydavid_: really, you shouldn't install that software01:19
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david_ah, whys that?01:19
andi84when i try to change my background, the applet gets stuck01:20
Mannydavid_: because it's old and ugly code01:20
Mannydavid_: regarding the desklets01:20
Mannytry gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/network/networkinfo.display01:21
david_ok .. so XMMS in Ubuntu is a bad plan01:21
malte`no Xv xine with my trident cyberblade card... what should i put in ~/.xine/config to use XShm ?01:21
Manny /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays contains many displays01:22
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Mannythis one is nice as well: /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/starterbar-desklet/starterbar.display01:22
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david_hmm Manny those things are all there ready to run .. in the Gdesklets folder .. by the looks of things01:24
Mannydavid_: yes, they are telling the display interpreter what to do/display01:24
smoexactly the point about the UI.  they're all "there".  But it leaves you to guess where "there" happens to be.01:24
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david_what i dont get is how to activate some of them01:25
Mannybug pycage in #gdesklets@irc.gnome.org :P01:25
Mannydavid_: activate?01:25
Mannydavid_: gdesklets <displaypath>01:25
Mannyadding them to the internal registry, that is01:25
david_well for instance activate the weather one .. so its visible on my desktop01:25
Mannyit is visible as soon as you run gdesklets <path_to_weather_applet>01:26
Mannythe state information is saved in gconf01:26
david_ok .. so i need the terminal?01:27
Mannyof course :)01:27
Mannyas I said, no GUI01:27
david_ive never actually seen the terminal in Ubuntu .. cant find it ..01:27
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MannyApplications->System Tools->Terminal01:27
Mannyyou can right-click it as well and add it to the panel01:27
pawsalt-f2, xterm01:27
david_ah ok thanks01:27
pawsis an alternative01:28
smoyou could always visit /usr/share/gdesklets/ in nautilus, and enjoy the new mime stuff01:28
MannyMithrandir: is the bug still relevant? Are you going to work on it? I've finally received my bugzilla password.01:29
Mannyoh, right01:29
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david_whats the most comprehensive toolbar from memerory? one with System info and Weather?01:30
MithrandirManny: I'm not sure the seed supports it, so please just file a bug.01:30
david_i would look it up if myself that site was working :/01:30
MannyMithrandir: ok, thanks!01:30
david_i think it was PSI-xxxxx 01:31
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tomiuwhen i go into windows after using ubuntu my system clock changes!! how do i stop this??01:35
david_Manny.. i tried this gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/displays/sysinfo-desklet/sysinfo.display01:35
Mannydavid_: yes, that's correct01:35
PerfDavetomiu: It's because Linux treats the system clock as UTC, and Windows treats it as local time. The best thing to do is install an NTP client to run at startup on both :)01:36
david_Manny: whats that done .. registered that desklet?01:36
tomiuNTP client?01:36
Mannydavid_: yes01:36
david_Manny: what should i do next?01:36
malte`is there already a fix to the ntpdate boot problem for pcmcia users?01:37
Mannydavid_: run gdesklets from application menu01:37
Mannyi.e. without any args01:37
tomiuis there another way of fixing this time bug?01:37
david_Manny: ok tried that .. nothing visible has happened01:37
smodavid_: As odd as it sounds, try clicking on the wallpaper.  a lot of desklets don't seem to appear until you "place" them01:38
Mannydavid_: try to run it in a terminal01:38
tomiuwhen i go into windows after using ubuntu my system clock changes!! how do i stop this without using a ntp client01:38
david_Manny: what command? try registering again?01:39
smotomiu: look for a like mentioning UTC in /etc/default/rcS   (it may be worth noting that XP already has an NTP client .. in the clock's properties, nicely hidden)01:39
smofor a line, rather01:39
Mannydavid_: no, without any parameters01:40
bob2pity windows is still so silly about gmt rtcs...01:40
tomiusmo: so do i get rid of the line??01:41
smowell, mine reads UTC=yes, so I guess you want UTC=no.  the comments are fairly explanitory01:42
tomiucool ill take a look after, im in windows right now01:42
david_Manny: very odd .. i hadnt registered it .. but now im trying to01:43
david_Manny: it seems to think the file isnt there01:44
Mannydavid_: huh?!01:44
david_Manny: yet the command is correct01:44
david_Manny: gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/displays/psi-weather/psi-weather.display01:44
Mannydavid_: try ^dis^Dis^01:44
david_Manny: "could not add display" . "because the file does not exist"01:44
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david_Manny: where to put ^dis^Dis"?01:45
Mannyin the terminal - it means: Take the last input, replace "dis" by "Dis" i.e. you didn't write Display in capital letters01:46
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david_Manny: sorry can you type the full command line you mean01:47
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Mannygdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/psi-weather/psi-weather.display01:49
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joolzi'm trying to apt-get install gdesklets, but they can't be found...01:50
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sleep1999hello i have probelem with ibm r40 laptop with ubuntu01:50
bob2joolz: it's in universe.01:50
Mannyheh, another gdesklets nerd01:50
david_Manny: thats great it worked!01:50
bob2sleep1999: just ask your question...01:50
joolzwhere is universe? (i /told/ you i'm a newbie :)01:50
david_Manny: bit odd to have one folder with a capital and the rest lower case though01:51
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sleep1999i dunno what happen to my laptop , i work after an hour and the hole system will automatically freeze01:51
credmpanyone know how to make dhcpclient get the ip address in the background? I have multiple nic (wired and wireless) and would like it to not hang until timeout at boot time01:51
sleep1999and only happen in ubuntu01:51
bob2joolz: uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, then try again01:51
bob2joolz: or use synaptic...01:51
Mannydavid_: indeed01:51
joolzbob2: ok, already found it myself, will have a go01:52
bob2joolz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, if you're using synaptic01:52
joolzdesklets sounf great01:52
sleep1999credmp: check your /etc/network/interface01:52
credmpsleep1999, thats where they are configured yes... and then?01:53
sleep1999credmp:may be set all interface to up by hand is good for you>01:54
david_Manny: hehe im having fun trying to get them in the right place :/01:54
credmpsleep1999, no... gentoo does it in the background... I want that same behaviour :)01:55
sleep1999credmp:did u try hotplug? i remeber it will do these automatically01:55
Mannydavid_: middle mouse button01:55
credmpthats for when you inster the hardware iirc01:56
Mannydavid_: read FAQs/doc01:56
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sleep1999and any one have good software for laptop to slow down cpu frequency?01:57
sleep1999i really need to save some power of it01:57
credmpautomatically throttles cpu when you use it less01:57
joolzsleep1999: windows xp?01:58
sleep1999joolz: u must be kidding 01:58
credmpI bet that was a joke01:58
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credmpI hope01:59
joolzit'll slow you down for sure :)01:59
Treenaksdoes anyone here have a clue about laptops?01:59
joolzi'm running ubuntu on an asus a2500, that's about it01:59
sleep1999asus?? i don't know it can sell to other country 02:00
joolzthey're quite common here in holland02:00
bob2they're pretty commin in .au, too02:01
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Treenaksjoolz: I'm looking for a new one, this ASUS L7300-E (sold as "MyNote" here) is getting old (4 years next month ;))02:01
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bob2warty's liner notes should say "Brought to you by IBM x40", everyone has one now02:02
Tzalidargah i've been fooling around with midi for a while now02:02
Tzalidarany1 who knows how to get midi working?02:02
smoI'm always half way up the wrong tree.  I'm still saving for an ibook02:02
bob2my ibook is great02:03
bob2aside from the lack of wireless or suspend02:03
joolzTreenaks: i wouldn't recommend asus anymore. I sent one that was just a few months over it's garantueed period (excusez my dutch), and asked if they could tell me what a repait would cost. Answer: 700 euro. And they already made 125 euro research costs.02:03
sleep1999bob2:sometime i go to class and found i must be in wrong class ,because there is so many black laptop that i thought there is a army of IBM here..02:03
joolzi'm not paying it and it was the last asus i bought02:03
bob2sleep1999: hehehehe02:03
joolznew one is a dell02:03
longsleephey folks .. is there some central repository for the sources which are used to build ubuntu packages?02:03
bob2longsleep: sure, it's on all the ubuntu mirros, right next to the binary packages02:03
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sleep1999joolz:how my you buy that laptop? in dollars?02:04
bob2right next to = in the same directories02:04
joolzsleep1999: i don't understand... :\02:05
sleep1999joolz:sorry , i type wrong chars i am asking "how much you buy that laptop? in dollars?"02:06
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sleep1999i still don't know 1 dollar equal to how man euro dollars02:06
smolast I looked, about USD1.2502:07
joolzsleep1999: i'm not sure, somewhere between 1000 and 1200 i guess. But the cost isn't the most important. Service is. Especially when you have about 40 users running around with them02:07
sleep1999joolz:that's what i concerned,so i bought "BIG" black laptop02:08
joolzhmm, i don't understand gdesklets. I have gdesklets running in the background, but when I click a .display file in nautilus, it says there was a fault starting the application02:13
joolzdid i miss something?02:13
joolzhmm, it works from the commandline though02:15
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smojoolz: you'll have to right-click and 'Open with Other Application' the first time .. gdesklets doesn't add a mime type apparently02:17
joolzi tried that, but not the right way i guess02:18
joolzhottie of the hour doesn't have any images yet02:18
joolzthat's a MAJOR ubuntu showstopper :)02:19
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anders_when I upgrade kernel the kernel command line always get overwritten, do you know a sed command for applying vga=794 to it so I can have a quick shellscript instead of editing it?02:19
bob2how are you setting it now?02:20
Mithrandiranders_: edit the # kopt = line in grub's menu.lst02:20
anders_Mithrandir: ok, thanks. Thats even better :)02:21
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joolzthese desklets are really cool. I know it's just eyecandy but i like it a lot02:33
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scriptkittyHello. I have a strange problem with my dvd and cdrw..02:35
scriptkittyI can burn at the command line but cannot mount the either disk. 02:36
scriptkittyThey show up in dmesg as hdc and hdd respectively02:36
scriptkittyWhat can I do to fix?02:36
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joolzis there any way i can prevent gnome from dragging windows outside of the desktop? In fvmw this is done with edgeresistance, but in gnome???02:46
bob2it's not a gnome issue, it's a metacity one02:46
bob2I'm not sure if it's possible02:46
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joolzbob2: ah... iirc the window managers gnome used before metacity could do this too02:47
joolzi don't remember how though02:47
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bob2yeah, metacity is a little...bare in some regards.02:48
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togsdoes anybody else get this message in their console after about five minutes logged in? "localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #16902:53
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togssystem beeps at me as well02:54
scriptkittyHello I am having trouble with my dvd and cdrw..02:54
bob2scriptkitty: try asking on the ubuntu-user list02:54
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scriptkittyI can burn using the command line. But I cannot mount them. dmesg sees both02:55
scriptkittybob2 are you the simultaneously on #debian?02:56
bob2scriptkitty: yes02:56
sleep2000i still can't fix the system freeze problem ;<02:56
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anders_Got this error message: Setting up gnome-gv (2.8.0-0ubuntu2) ...** (process:4009): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed , anything to worry about?02:58
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scriptkittyHas ubunto got a forum anywhere yet like www.knoppix.net?02:59
bob2use the mailing list.02:59
darksatanicscriptkitty: Not yet, but apparently they're working on it.02:59
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bob2there's gmane, too03:00
pmjdebruijndoes anybody here know what wiki is used by the ubuntu site?03:00
supertedpmjdebruijn: you have got a funny nick03:00
bob2pmjdebruijn: moinmoin.03:00
anders_scriptkitty: you cannot automount or manual?03:00
joolzpmjdebruijn: looks like zope / plone03:00
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bob2the site is plone, yes03:01
pmjdebruijnsuperted, why?03:01
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supertedpmjdebruijn: because it's lots of bajs03:01
pmjdebruijnbob2: thanks!03:01
pmjdebruijnsuperted, :S, well it's just my name :p03:01
joolzmaybe he would prefer superpmjdebruijn :)03:01
supertedpmjdebruijn: seriously?03:02
pmjdebruijnyeah, P.M.J de Bruijn :p03:02
joolzpmjdebruijn: alweer een nederlander erbij :)03:02
pmjdebruijnjoolz, up03:02
scriptkittyanders_ cannot either03:05
anders_scriptkitty: what's the output of "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom"?03:08
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Phr0stByteHas any1 here gotten k3b to work under Ubuntu?03:12
bob2lots of people have.03:12
bob2run k3bsetup under sudo.03:13
Phr0stByteI need help - it wont work for me03:13
Phr0stByteWhats the trick?03:13
bob2what doesn't work?03:13
pmjdebruijnbob2: or suid?03:13
Phr0stBytek2b setup gives an error03:13
Phr0stBytehold on...03:13
bob2Phr0stByte: are you running it with sudo?03:13
Phr0stByteI will tell you exactly....03:13
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bob2"sudo k3bsetup"?03:14
joolzdoes anyone know hoe I can use alpha blending? Someone told me that gnome 2.8 supports it...03:14
bob2joolz: alpha-blending of what?03:14
Phr0stBytebob2: Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found.03:14
bob2joolz: warty does not support translucent windows, if that's what you mean03:15
joolzbob2: that's what i meant yes... Isn't this a gnome 2.8 feature?03:15
bob2joolz: no.03:15
bob2it's a feature of the X server, and xfree86 doesn't support it.03:15
bob2X.org's server does, and that will be in hoary.03:15
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bob2anders_: Phr0stByte nothing in the list archives or wiki?03:16
joolzbob2: ah, great. Is there a release schedule somewhere? :)03:16
bob2joolz: yes, on wiki.ubuntulinux.org03:16
joolzbob2: tx03:16
Phr0stBytebob2: no03:16
anders_bob2: not last time I checked03:16
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anders_bob2: I guess it's some of kde needs installing, but I would like to keep it at a minimum03:17
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bob2anders_: if k3b doesn't Depend on all the stuff it needs to work, it's a bug03:17
anders_bob2: yes03:18
joolz April 11th 2005. I'll try to be patient :)03:18
bob2anders_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?action=highlight&value=k3b03:18
bob2anders_: does that work (not that I can imagine why it woulde ;)?03:19
bob2joolz: it will be available for testing well before then03:19
joolzyes, i saw it03:19
scriptkittyProblem solved by mkdir /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 followed by chmod 03:20
anders_bob2: nope03:20
anders_bob2: maybe search for kcmshell in package list?03:21
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Phr0stByteanders_: I gave up on it - I just made a script for burning video DVDs under cl.03:24
anders_Phr0stByte: :)03:24
Phr0stByteanders_: Do you need it?03:25
anders_Phr0stByte: yes please03:25
Phr0stByteanders_: #!/bin/sh03:26
Phr0stByte# Create an AUDIO_TS subdirectory if it does not exist03:26
Phr0stByte[ ! -d AUDIO_TS ]  && mkdir AUDIO_TS03:26
Phr0stBytechown -R root:root AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS03:26
Phr0stBytechmod 500 AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS03:26
Phr0stBytechmod 400 VIDEO_TS/*03:26
Phr0stBytegrowisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video03:26
anders_Phr0stByte: thanks :)03:27
Phr0stByteanders_: np03:27
wzaanyone know a place for additional apt rep's?03:28
bob2wza: of what?03:28
wzasoftware repositories. I'm just reading that it's not a good idea to use debian repositories03:29
Phr0stBytewza: they are OK for individual packages you may need - I wouldnt try a dist-upgrade from Synaptic with those sources uncommented though03:31
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bob2wza: what isn't in universe?03:34
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Jet2k5how come ' mv ' is a known ID or something?03:39
wzaok, i'll try it out, thnx03:39
bob2"known ID"?03:39
Jet2k5ah nvm03:39
Jet2k5I typed something wrong03:39
Jet2k5what do I do for kernel-source03:40
Jet2k5from kernel.org?03:40
spivapt-get install linux-source-
Jet2k5sorry guys I'm totally new to this stuff03:41
Jet2k5specially debian03:41
bob2what do you want the source for?03:41
Jet2k5recompile ther kernel03:41
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Jet2k5to compile the radeon drivers into the kernel03:41
bob2how come?03:41
bob2er, why?03:41
Jet2k5it's really the only thing that makes my vide card work decent03:41
bob2I use the radeon driver fine with an ubuntu kernel03:42
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Jet2k5what video card do you have03:42
bob2a radeon.03:42
spivJet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto03:43
Phr0stBytebob2: he said what card do you have not what type03:43
bob2er, don't all radeon's use the same DRI module?03:44
Jet2k5I have the MObility m603:44
bob2this is a 9200 or so03:44
spivJet2k5: Works for me with my Mobility Radeon 9600 M1003:44
Phr0stBytebob2: er, yes.03:44
Jet2k5spiv, I'll check it out, but it probably desont' support my card03:44
Jet2k5it only supports from about M9 and up03:44
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danielsfiregl can be incredibly painful to intsall.03:44
Jet2k5I can see that03:45
andi84how can i install gdesklets??03:45
danielsJet2k5: what's the problem you're having with the current radeon driver?03:45
Phr0stBytedaniels: try getting a Wacom device installed....03:45
andi84synaptic doens find the package03:45
danielsJet2k5: m6 should work flawlessly.03:45
bob2andi84: it's in the gdesklet package in universe.03:45
danielsPhr0stByte: heh03:45
Jet2k5daniels, very very low frames from what I'm used to03:46
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Jet2k5In mandrake after I recompiled the kernel I got about 4000 frames03:46
bob2andi84: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=universe03:46
Jet2k5now I only get about 150003:46
danielsJet2k5: with glxgears?03:46
Jet2k5most games run shitty03:46
andi84oh thanks03:46
Jet2k5daniels, yup03:46
danielsJet2k5: if you want to put up your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I could take a look at it03:46
danielsJet2k5: that indicates to me that your 3D isn't working at all with the free driver, which it should just fine03:47
Jet2k5ok, well I just kind installed this fglrx03:48
Jet2k5should I give that a try?03:49
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Jet2k5brb let me see if it works or not03:49
bob2andi84: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to03:49
bob2andi84: which part of that guide wasn't clear?03:50
andi84it was clear03:50
bob2oh, you want help with gdesklets itself?03:50
bob2run the gdesklets program, then right click on the gdesklet .desktop files, click "run with other..." (or whatever) and use gdesklets again03:51
andi84thanks a lot03:52
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spivJet2k5: any luck?03:52
Jet2k5no that didn't work, neither did the radeon, just made it much slower03:52
Jet2k5guess the radeon is a module03:52
bob2does firegl really require a kernel module?03:52
Jet2k5the only thing I know that will fix it is to recompile the kernel03:52
Jet2k5so what do I do to get the kernel source again?03:53
bob2again, you don't need the source to build modules03:53
bob2get linux-headers-
Jet2k5well I just compile the kernel03:53
bob2build the module against that03:53
Jet2k5no, that's just making me more confused03:54
Jet2k5just give me the kernel source03:54
bob2spiv told you already03:54
spivbob2: there's an fglrx kernel module.03:54
bob2scroll up03:54
Jet2k5I closed down the window03:54
spivbob2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto describes how to install it...03:54
Jet2k5didn't you see me leave?03:54
spiv...although it doesn't point out that you need to reboot or manually modprobe it the first time.03:55
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danielsJet2k5: why do you need to recompile your kernel?03:56
Jet2k5to compile ther radeon modules into the kernel03:57
danielsJet2k5: if you put your XFree86.0.log somewhere I can get at it, I can probably help you with this03:57
danielsthere's already a pre-built fglrx module, and a pre-built radeon module03:57
Jet2k5dude trust me it doesnt work03:57
danielsyes, so if neither of these work, recompiling won't help any03:57
Jet2k5I've spent about 6 months adding options and different things and nothign happeneds03:57
danielsif you can get me your log file, I'll probably be able to tell you what your real problem is.03:57
Jet2k5if you say so03:57
danielsif not, there's nothing I can do03:57
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Jet2k5let me PM you03:57
Jet2k5id you get it?03:58
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Jet2k5what happened?04:03
Jet2k5spiv, so what's the command again?04:05
danielsJet2k5: i'm waiting for your log to come through04:05
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spivJet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto04:06
mirI cannot find unrar/rar in the ubuntu reps. Does it not exist or is it hidden in some other package ?04:06
tuo2hey canonical guys... is there a security team leader yet?04:07
bob2mir: it's not in ubuntu04:07
mirbob2: How sad.. 04:07
danielsmir: patent-encumbered04:07
mirdaniels: unarar is freeware04:07
tuo2daniels: liked the website.. pitty about the kitties..04:07
bob2tuo2: it'll be announced on the website when it is04:08
danielsmir: yes, but there are outstanding patents on rar which make it very difficult to distribute04:08
bob2er, "when there is one"04:08
danielstuo2: indeed. :\04:08
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crash_what is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable?04:08
bob2there's a Free unrar in Debian now, and a unrar-nonfree package which handles newer ones04:08
Mithrandircrash_: unstable04:08
bob2crash_: unstable from june04:08
crash_Mithrandir,bob2 thx04:09
crash_so then i cnause another debian repos instead of ubuntu own repo?04:09
crash_can use04:09
bob2crash_: no04:09
bob2crash_: it might work, but debian nor ubuntu can help you if it doesn't04:09
tuo2bob2: thanks.04:10
crash_beacuse ubuntus repo dosen't have every package that the debian repos have04:10
bob2crash_: universe should have almost all of them.04:10
bob2crash_: if one you want is missing, you can request it be added04:10
tuo2Just seeing when and where is the appropriate place to offer my megre services.04:10
crash_bob2:aah i see04:11
crash_i like ubuntu very much is fast and it has a updated gnome version04:11
crash_everything you need04:12
Jet2k5spiv, what does that link have to do with anything?04:12
spivJet2k5: The steps listed under "ATI".04:13
Jet2k5I did04:13
Jet2k5I'm talking for ' kernel-source ' I didn't catch the command you said04:13
spivJet2k5: it's in the linux-source package... but what's the name of the module you said you wanted to comile?04:14
spivcompile, rather?04:14
Jet2k5radeon, nvg/ram , ALi chipset, ATI chipset and a few other options04:14
Jet2k5for my laptop04:14
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spivJet2k5: Most of those modules should already be compiled into the ubuntu kernel...04:19
bob2they all are04:20
spiv$ sudo modprobe -l radeon04:20
spivJet2k5: Seriously, I doubt you need to compile, let alone recompile, anything :)04:22
blumax__I'm new to Ubuntu/Debian. Can a RPM package be installed in Ubuntu?04:22
bob2yes, but it's generally a bad idea.04:23
bob2what do you want to install?04:23
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blumax__a game called "Advanced Strategic Command"04:23
spivblumax__: There's a program called "alien" that can convert rpms to debs, but it's pretty rough.04:23
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MithrandirJet2k5: please turn off public away.04:23
bob2Jet2k5: please don't use public away in here.04:24
blumax__hmmm.... Ok , thanks04:24
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giorsatdoes anybody know why when I connect to internet with a dial up modem and the network tool veverything works fine while if I use the gnome applet the modem gives a busy signal?04:28
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johaHi all!04:28
defendguini need to edit the gnome menu can it be done?04:29
bob2defendguin: applications:/// in nautilus04:29
defendguinbob2, they for rid of the start here thing?04:29
bob2defendguin: hm?04:30
defendguinobxiously its not on the desktop04:30
bob2defendguin: off the desktop?04:30
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jlgI just try ubuntu hello to all04:32
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defendguinthey might thing about having a link to applications:/// somewhere in the computer menu04:32
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joha_Damn, flew out04:32
joha_Did somebody answer me?04:33
bob2you didn't ask a question04:33
jlgi know i will be hated but is there a way to install kde on ubuntu04:34
bob2install the kde package04:34
bob2after enabling universe.04:34
spivjlg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde04:34
bob2ah, handy short names04:35
joha_bob2: Then it didn't get through.04:35
jlgi know t u bob but it does not work i i have an empty screen04:35
joha_I installed Ubuntu on three boxes so far, but now this one is having a problem.04:35
spivbob2: The wonders of "site:ubuntulinux.org kde" in google ;)04:35
bob2spiv: haha04:36
joha_GNOME hangs showing its splashscreen (only with the session manager proxy icon) and doesn`t do anything. Failsafe terminal works...04:36
bob2spiv: I tried searching the website, but it the results were a tad plone-heavy :-p04:36
spivjoha_: Sounds like a sound issue... lemme see if I can find the bug.04:36
joha_spiv: Okay, cool04:36
jlgI will try again so 04:37
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spivjoha_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194304:38
joha_Thanks spiv04:38
spivjoha_: I think that's the bug I was thinking of... let us know if it doesn't describe your problem.04:39
joha_Just a minute04:39
crash__how do i edit grub?04:40
spivcrash__: /etc/grub/menu.lst, iirc.04:41
crash__hmm i don't see grub in /etc04:42
spivOh, /boot/grub/menu.lst, sorry :)04:42
joha_spiv: Sorry, there's an audio device present, and it even works (tested using gstreamer-properties)04:43
crash__spiv, thx04:43
spivjoha_: Drat.04:44
spivjoha_: Just in case, does the workaround in comment #12 help?04:45
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slightlyI have a question about ubuntu installation, if anyone's able to answer04:47
giorsatwhy an aac file ( imported from an ipod works on xine but it doesn't on rhythmbox? am I wrong?04:47
joha_spiv: Second04:47
spivslightly: Ask, and we'll find out if we can answer it :)04:48
joha_spiv: No :(04:49
slightlyi have a 400MHz Apple TiBook, I've installed Warty from the CD image, the installer updated all the packages, and when I boot into it (using "l" in the bootstrap) I get music and my screen kind of turns flowing white04:49
slightly...and I can't find a way out of it04:49
TongMasterheya spiv04:49
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crash__hmm i can't get write acess on this mounted drive04:51
crash__mount -t vfat -o rw,users,auto,exec,umask=022 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/mp04:51
crash__what are am doing wrong?04:52
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Jet2k5_hey daniels nothing 04:52
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slightlycould it be a compatibility problem with my video card?04:56
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spivslightly: Maybe, although several ubuntu devs have mac laptops of various flavours, so they should work quite well.04:58
spivslightly: It's probably worth posting to the list or filing a bug report, because no-one who knows the answer seems to be up :/04:58
joha_spiv: That comment didn't help...04:59
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danielsjoha_: does running rm -rf /tmp/*-$(whoami) ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority /tmp/.ICE-unix/*, help at all?05:01
spivdaniels: yow, did you type that monster out from memory? :)05:02
danielsspiv: yeah :)05:02
daniels(could be contracted to ~/.{X,ICE}authority)05:02
joha_daniels: second05:02
Jet2k5_so now the last resort05:02
Jet2k5_what's the command again?05:03
danielsspiv: used to be an alias -- KDE is particularly suseptible to that sort of breakage, and when your X libs/server is more broken than not ...05:03
joha_daniels: Nope, doesn't work.05:04
Jet2k5_daniels, so what's the command?05:04
danielsJet2k5_: which command?05:04
spivJet2k5_: sudo apt-get install linux-source kernel-package.  But every module you said you wanted to build is already in the ubuntu kernel, afaict.05:05
Jet2k5_kernel source05:05
slightlyspiv: thanks, i'll post to the list05:05
danielsjoha_: bugger05:05
Jet2k5_spiv, ok...05:05
joha_Jet2k5_: rm -rf /tmp/[.,] * will do the job as well05:05
joha_At least for a new installation05:05
spivJet2k5_: did you reboot or modprobe fglrx after following the BinaryDriverHwoto instructions?05:06
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spivJet2k5_: Ok, that was an oversight in the instructions on that wiki page that I've since corrected :)05:09
Jet2k5_I'll try right after I'm done with the download05:09
spivThe instructions as  they were wouldn't have actually loaded the fglrx kernel module until a reboot.05:10
joha_daniels: Yes.05:10
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sertmannanyone got the propetary nvidia drivers working in ubuntu?05:17
joha_Sorry. That was Steffen.05:17
mirAnyone with experiance of burning bin/cue files in ubuntu ?05:17
joha_I'll do apt-get upgrade and see if that helps with my gnome problem.05:18
wzahow install fonts in ubuntu?05:18
mircdrdao write --device ATAPI:0,1,0  <filename>.cue I Get:05:18
mirERROR: Cannot prevent/allow medium removal.05:18
Jet2k5_anhhhow spiv, FATAL: Module fglrx not found.05:19
spivJet2k5_: try 'sudo depmod -a' ?05:21
spivHang on, was this error from X or from modprobe?05:21
Jet2k5_FATAL: Module fglrx not found.05:22
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Jet2k5_still the same thing05:25
spiv(sorry, my net connection dropped out for a minute)05:26
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spivJet2k5_: have you installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686?05:29
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spivOk, you need to :)05:29
spivThat's what the "Note: requires linux-restricted modules >=
spiv   1.05:30
spiv" thing on the siki is about :)05:30
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sertmanncan i use the debian kernel headers in ubuntu?05:45
sertmannsorta need them for my nvidia driver05:45
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Mithrandirsertmann: why?  Have you read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto ?05:46
sertmannbut i will now05:46
spivsertmann: :)05:46
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yyc747any word on when the Ubuntu livecd will be out?05:47
danielsyyc747: i believe there's a live cd ready to use today05:48
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spivyyc747: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000001.html05:50
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maycoare there any plans on packaging gstreamer 0.87 and totem 0.99.17?05:50
tsengmayco: done and done05:51
tsengread the mailinglist archive05:51
maycotseng, wow, nice, what archive do i need to check? users?05:51
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tsenghm id tell you05:52
tsengbut firefox decided it is going to crash on gmail today05:52
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tsengit either -users or -devel05:53
mayco"gstreamer/totem: new packages"05:53
tsengok, gstreamer/totem: new packages to -devel05:53
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sertmannah, thx that worked for the nvidia drivers, now can someone then help me on a resolution higher than 640x480?05:54
maycothanks :)05:54
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malte`i've got an old Acer Travelmate 212 and when i shut down the system it reboots instead...05:58
malte`i tried pci=noacpi or noapic or both but it's the same thing05:58
malte`should i fill a bug report?05:58
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mjris there a way to show the debian menu in the gnome menus?05:59
bob2mjr: yes.05:59
bob2malte`: yes.06:00
malte`bob2: if i pass 'noacpi apm' will i get full apm support?06:01
mjrshould I take that as a "no"? :)06:01
bob2malte`: I don't know.  does loading the apm module help?06:01
bob2mjr: I'm almost certain the answer is no06:01
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bob2but ask on ubuntu-user to be sure.06:02
maycoi've noticed there won't be a gstreamer-ffmpeg package, is there a way to install it so i can view non-free encoded movies?06:02
mjr(it uses the scummvm)06:02
bob2        command="/usr/games/scummvm -p /usr/share/scummvm/beneath-a-steel-sky sky"06:02
bob2run that.06:02
mjryes, I know06:03
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backdocI'm trying the live CD on a Dell Latitude D800.  It has an Nvidia card with a screen resolution of 1920X1200.  I can get the CD to come up to the default 1024x768.  But, if I try to use the Nvidia driver, there is no 1920X1200 option.  So, I tried modifying the Grub parameters.  When X tries to start, Ubuntu just reboots.  Any suggestions?  TIA06:06
tardmacbackdoc: you have to modify the X11 config file06:08
backdoctardmac:  as one of the grub boot parameters?  06:09
tardmaci dunno06:09
backdoctardmac:  I tried modifying the XF86Config after starting in 1024x768 by copying it from my existing Mandrake partition.  But, if I do ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X, Ubuntu restarts.06:11
bob2backdoc: your monitor can do 1920x1200?06:11
backdocbob2:  Yes.  Sometimes it's a PITA.06:12
bob2that must be one bloody big screen06:12
backdocbob2:  It's 15.4"06:12
bob2jesus christ06:13
backdocbob2:  Auto-configuration is not very well supported in Linux06:15
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johaHi 06:17
bob2it doesn't do DDC? suck.06:17
johaGNOME works now; an apt-get upgrade solved the problem.06:17
johaBut what do I have to do in order to be able to watch a DVD?06:17
bob2you need to install libdvdcss.06:17
bob2which will make you a criminal in many countries.06:17
johaSynaptic doesn't show it. What repository do I want?06:18
bob2it's not in ubuntu for legal reasons06:19
johaWell, where then?06:19
bob2I'm not sure.  nothing in the wiki?06:19
johaLemme see06:19
johaOh and what software do I need for software development (*-dev, gcc, etc...)06:20
bob2installing the build-essential package will get you a basic toolchain06:21
bob2install whatever other -dev packages you need as you need them06:21
johaOkay, thanks06:21
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joolzwhat would be the default rss reader for U? Liferea?06:22
joolzs/default/best choice/06:22
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sertmannwhen the monitor says 50-60 Hz on the back is the hsync or vrefresh?06:28
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Zero-Gthat's the frequency of the alternating current that powers it06:29
sertmannis there any way to find those numbers when you have a no-name monitor?06:29
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Zero-Gprobing, or guessing06:29
sertmannthe ones ubunto detects will only let me run 640x48006:30
sertmannwhat's the command for probing?06:30
tsengxresprobe <driver>06:30
sertmannso..... xresprobe nvidia?06:30
simkaxresprobe nv probably06:31
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sertmannnah changed it from nv to nvidia allready06:31
simkaowh sorry :)06:31
sertmannthat just lists a whole lot of resolutions....06:32
sertmannand freq is blank06:32
yyc747sertmann: well, have you ever used this monitor before?06:33
yyc747sertmann: at what resolution?06:33
sertmannin debian06:33
sertmannfor allmost two years06:33
yyc747sertmann: then try going into XF86Config and changing the resolution to 1024x76806:33
sertmanndid that allready06:34
yyc747sertmann: and does it run at that resolution?06:34
sertmannand it just continues to boot up in 640x488006:34
danielsit's OK for freq to be blank06:34
sertmannif i could just get it to run 1024x768 i would be a happy boy06:34
yyc747sertmann: hmmm.... post the config file on rafb.net/paste so I can have a look at it06:34
danielswhat does 'sudo xresprobe nv' say?06:34
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sertmannsame as xresprobe nvidia06:35
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sertmannjust gives 10 differnts res. and no freq.06:35
sertmannno id either06:36
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viridis`hi all06:36
sertmannpretty weird really06:36
sertmann since i thought debian and ubunto was pretty similar...06:36
viridis`can anybody say me, why freepascal isn't included in ubuntu?06:36
danielssertmann: is 1024x768 in that list of frequencies?06:36
johaErm, somebody I believe had prepared mono packages for Ubuntu; where are they to be found?06:36
sertmannres: 2777x2721 2721x2721 2288x1830 1536x1228 1536x960 1535x2721 1280x1024 1024x768 928x742 800x600 784x784 720x400 640x480 <--- tried removing anything below 1024x768 in the XF86config-4 file, and that didn't help either06:37
danielssertmann: if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root, there will be a 'Option "HorizSync"' and 'Option "VertSync"' (or such) lines in the Monitor section; if you remove them, can you get 1024x768?06:37
danielswow, 2777x2721, that's bizzare06:37
danielsyour monitor is wacky06:37
sertmanndaniels: did that allready06:37
sertmannno vain06:38
danielssertmann: wow, bong.  looks like X doesn't like your monitor.  does putting in 'Option "NoDDC"' in the Device section help at all?06:38
daniels(might be in the Monitor section -- try both)06:38
sertmanndunno.... lemme check06:38
sertmanngonna log-out and in and see if this helps06:40
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sertmannstill 640x48006:41
sertmannHorizSync 28-33, vertRefresh  43-72 <- does those seem reasonable?06:43
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danielssertmann: they seem way too low06:44
danielsif they're in the config file, you should delete them06:44
Treenaksdaniels: "NoDDCValue" for via_drv06:44
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danielsTreenaks: thanks06:44
sertmanndid that.... i've deleted them, they from the .bak file of the orignial config...06:44
sertmannbut apparently it's what ubuntu detected06:45
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omlucehi everyone!06:48
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omluceI have just installed ubuntu on my PC but when the GNOME desktop is launched the computer hangs06:50
jacobIs there a way to reset what actions aptitude should perform?06:50
AndersAAomluce: problem with the soundcard probably06:50
AndersAAomluce: on boot click ctrl + alt + f1, login as your user, and write sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade06:51
AndersAAI think the upgrade you need is gnome-control-center06:51
AndersAAand it should boot right up :)06:51
omlucea black screen appears06:51
AndersAAwell that doesn't sound like the soundcard06:51
AndersAAdoes the login program come up?06:51
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AndersAAwell, that's probably a problem with X06:52
AndersAAie it fails to detect something (normally it'd give you a warning though, not a black screen)06:52
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omluceI thought it was the GART06:53
omluceI've got nForce chipset06:53
sriis anybody gonna updated evo?  apparently evo crashes on me because there is no default addressbook06:54
AndersAAwhat kind of display adapter?06:54
sriit made me "restart" my whole evo config06:54
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omlucenVidia GeForce 4 Ti06:54
AndersAAit should be able to use the standard nv driver without any problems06:55
AndersAAbut sorry man, I gotta go, good luck fixing it06:55
omluceok thanks06:55
omlucehave a nice day06:55
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jacobSo, no way to "reset" aptitudes action list of what to do when hitting "g" ?06:58
omlucecould anybody help me on configuring X06:59
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jazzkaI'added universe to my source.list07:03
tclhal2anyone know how to make a desktop computer standby?  I get no APM support in kernel.07:03
jazzkahow can I know if a program is on ubuntu's collection, or in universe?07:04
mjrdesktops generally don't do APM, afaik, so ACPI is the key word here. Don't know spesifics, though.07:04
malte`there's the ubuntu icon near the package name if you use synaptic07:04
malte`i don't know using aptitude07:04
tclhal2OK I hoping there would be a gnome acpi icon or something or desktop config that would allow a standby after x minutes07:05
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irc_monkeydoes ubntu have good laptop support?07:15
irc_monkeywhat about ATI drivers07:15
irc_monkeycool thanks07:15
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bmsleightHi All, I just popped in while I'm doing an install.07:19
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pepsioo BOON too07:20
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jazzkahow can I install java runtime environment? I cant find the package...07:23
nashhi guys i got i question.... why there is no root password in ubutu some programs dont understand that the user geven at the installation is the root user like k3bsetup...07:23
kaplanfxnash: sudo07:24
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malte`jazzka: it's a FAQ, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/07:27
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Mitariowhat was the right way to get java working in firefox again?07:29
Phr0stByteMitario: ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so07:31
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Mitariowhere do I get the java runtime from :)07:32
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yohananybody here ever installed LIRC in ubuntu ??07:45
yohanits giving me errors ?07:45
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DXThi, after doing 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win' i can browse the partition using the shell, but in nautilus i see the main folders as plain unusable files, what do i do?07:48
eroadcapHas anyone tried ubuntu's KDE packages?  Impressions?07:48
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Skifso I just installed from a sounder 9 cd, and when I run aptitude there are a number of packages on hold; is this for a reason?07:50
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jazzkahow to choose? J2SE 5.0 or J2SE 1.4.2 ??07:53
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riffichi i'm having a vmware client issue08:09
rifficguest I should say08:09
rifficafter installing the vmware tools x fails to start08:09
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rifficcannot open device /dev/mouse no such file or directory08:11
rifficand it fails after that in the XFree86.0.log08:11
SamBozomaybe ??08:11
rifficno core pointer, failed to initialize core devices yadda yadda08:11
saw27Just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. It didn't ask whether my hwclock is UTC or localtime. Would it make sense for the installer to ask this if it detects another OS installed too?08:12
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rifficnothing usefull there, SamBozo 08:13
pedro_gin my xf86conf the mouse is /dev/input/mice 08:13
pedro_gdo you have a device /dev/mouse?08:13
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rifficno /dev/mouse but /dev/input/mice is valid08:14
rifficediting and testing08:14
andrilhello all08:14
jazzkaI cant believe java is so hard to install on linux. This is very sad08:15
bmsleightjazzka: Whats the problem ? Can I help ?08:15
rifficlooks like its working, thanks pedro08:15
jazzkabmsleight, I'm following this: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian08:16
rifficwoot, tools installed08:16
andrilanyone having issues with sound?08:16
riffici'm liking this distro.. very slick08:16
bmsleightjazzka: at what point are your stuck ?08:16
riffici just might replace my gentoo install with it08:16
andrilBy far the best....08:16
bmsleightjazzka: I did a install last night and it work for me. 08:17
jazzkabmsleight, which method did you use?08:17
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andrilKamion: have you heard of any sound issues?08:17
jazzkabmsleight, I'm downloading the sdk, but the list of things to do is amazing!08:17
bmsleightjazzka: See http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.jsp#install-pkg08:18
jazzkabmsleight, ok08:18
pedro_gcan't my pen drive to mount - anybody else run into any problems - says it can't find a valid file system08:19
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Tux234Sup evrybody08:20
nashjazzka: just mkdir /usr/java download java to /usr/java dir chmod +x, run it then export the bin dir inside java to your path i hope it will work for u08:20
Tux234Is it ok to install debs from the universe08:20
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Tux234any broken packages or anything08:21
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SamBozoTux234, worked for me .. but I just went and got what I wanted (bluefish and xfce4) then changed the sources back to hust warty08:25
Tux234Sweet thx08:25
SamBozoand didn't do any dist-upgrades <g>08:25
Tux234oh yeah where is the grub config file?08:25
Tux234i'm tryin to disable the timer08:25
bmsleightCool, Complet installation in No time. Thanks, Ubuntu Team !08:25
SamBozothat is a L not a 108:26
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Tux234just comment to disable right?08:26
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SamBozobut u can set it higher and then just hit any key to pause the counter .. that way the reboot doesn't hang and wait for u08:28
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Tux234ok thx08:28
kegaHi all, I have a stupid question... how do I install get the kernel source (with apt-get?) Im trying to install nvidia display drivers08:29
joemkega, you only need headers for that08:29
pedro_gthere are precompiled bins available too08:30
kegajoem, Ok, How do I get them ?08:30
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kegathanks joem, Ill try that :)08:31
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Tux234just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>08:33
joemnot in this releease08:34
Tux234ok cause I seen the splash quiet option in grub config file and didn't know if that meant there was supposed to be a bootsplash08:35
Tux234thx for the help guys :)08:35
leoneleit !  I have a Unbuntu linux installed  but only recognizes  256 mb ram and the computer has 384 MB  08:35
leoneland the same computer with fedora core 2 recognizes 384 mb08:36
Zombleonel: bios problem. add mem=384M to the kernel options08:37
leonelZomb: tried and    error says    theres no room for that08:38
Zombleonel: and who says error?08:38
leonelgrub at boot time08:39
leonellet me see the correct message08:39
leonelError 28  Selecterd item cannot fit into memory08:39
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saw27Is there a searchable web archive of ubuntu-users postings?08:42
Zombwell, grub sucks IMHO08:43
DXTthat's a pretty rough generalization08:46
pedro_ganybody having trouble with usbpendrives?08:46
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DXT[20:33]  <Tux234> just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>08:47
DXT[20:33]  <Tux234> *?08:47
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DXTtoo much of a small issue, and for a PR08:47
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DXTi mean, no08:47
DXT(miread the question)08:47
eainodoes anyone know how to enable hinting in freetype? 08:48
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jazzkabmsleight, thanks! I now can run java applets!08:55
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ZombDXT: that is what I have experienced so far. More trouble than advantages.08:56
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Zindarcan anyone help with a cups problem?08:57
DXTzomb most distros dont have a bootslplash :| and besides you can do one yourself (not an easy matter at all though..)08:58
ZombDXT: that was about grub08:58
DXToh bla im a bit off :p08:59
DXTwhat's wrong with grub?08:59
ZindarI have a cups server that broadcasts it's info,,, mac:s finds it automaticaly, SuSE boxes finds it automaticaly.. but my ubuntu laptop does NOT...09:00
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ZindarI can see that it broadcasts it's info...09:00
QerubIs it possible to change the icon size in gnome-panel (without touching the source code)?09:00
ZombDXT: it does too many weird things. grub-install kills my kernel, and on a friends machine it fscked the windows partition.09:01
Zomband there are no real advantages09:01
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DXTubuntu is just an updated Debian with an emphasis on gnome (which i prefer over KDE) plus it got more stuff 'out-of-teh-box', but i didnt play with it too much really to decide that09:02
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pedro_gqerub right click on the panel - select properties and adjust the size there09:06
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Qerubpedro_g: I mean the icons in the Programs and Computer menus.09:07
QerubProgram even.09:07
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kegaI cant get my nvidia drivers to work properly, I installed them according to this how-to (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto) and edited my config file to use driver nvidia. Still get 300fps in glxgears with a ti4200 card09:08
Qerubkega: How's the performance in real apps?09:09
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amerinehello everyone09:10
kegaQerub, its ok I guess... any spec. app I can try with ?09:11
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Qerubkega: tuxracer maybe.09:11
pedro_gqerub - i wonder if modifying the size in the themes would do it?  09:11
kegaQerub, Ok Ill try 09:12
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johaHi again09:12
calci only get 144fps in glxgears, so 300 isn't too bad09:12
Qerubpedro_g: I'll try. Thanks.09:12
kegacalc, Well I should get alot more than that with a ti420009:13
Qerubkega, calc: I just got 674 with my ol' GF2MX.09:13
johaI got WLAN working without WEP, but my dad insists on using it on the router. Now I can get to work it WITH WEP. Can somebody help m,e?09:13
joha(The FAW entry doesn help either)09:13
kegaQerub, Dont have tuxracer Im afraid09:13
Qerubkega: Then install it.09:13
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calcQerub: yea i was using software to get 14409:14
kegaQerub, where can I get it? apt-get cant find it...09:15
Zindarjoha: what's the problem?09:16
eroadcapHas anyone tried the KDE packages in universe?  If so, how are they?  OK? Buggy?09:17
johaZindar: I entered the WEP key and the cards light is on constantly as it ought to be, but I dont get a DHCP lease.09:17
joha(When WEP is turned off on the router I do get a lease)09:17
calcWEP doesn't work much anyway09:18
calcaiui can be cracked in a few minutes09:19
johaYes, I know. But my dad insists on using it anywy :-(09:19
DXTeroadcap: try them yourself and tell us later :)09:19
johaHe said if I dont get it to weork I should use Windows :-(#09:19
NoodlesWEP is better than nothing.09:19
calcNoodles: not really since it gives you a false sense of security09:19
NoodlesNo, I still wouldn't trust the wireless network.09:19
calcyou have to treat WEP as if it was completely cleartext since its so trivial to break09:20
NoodlesIt adds an extra layer of difficulty though.09:20
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johaWell, the point is I can't use the network connection right now because of it. So what can I have done wrong? The card is using the orinoco_cs module...09:20
DXTwireless networks will always be much less secure than wired, due to a simple fact: serious security - major reduced bandwidth - lack of interest09:20
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xpthewebwhere to find the md5 for the different dowloads?09:21
jazzkawhen I run sudo, I would like to execute /root/.bashrc so the prompts change properly of color09:21
jazzkahow can I do that?09:21
DXTunless they find another way to transmit packets over the air (which is full of noise)09:22
Qerubjazzka: add "[ $USER = root ]  && source /root/.bashrc" to your /home/user/.bashrc09:23
jazzkaQerub, anywhere in my .bashrc ?09:24
Qerubjazzka: well, after the default prompt is set up09:24
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Qerubjazzka: so that it will override...09:24
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jazzkaQerub, thanks!09:26
johaIs there nothing I can do about this WEP sh**?09:26
Qerubjazzka: did it work?09:27
Qerubjoha: have you tried manually with iwconfig?09:28
johaQerub: yes, the whole time. :-(09:28
Qerubjoha: on the "router", do you set a wep key or wep password?09:29
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kegaNow It works, 15287 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3057.400 FPS :-)09:30
johaQerub: a password from which a key is generated.09:30
tcki'm having problems setting up my usb keyring09:31
DXTanyone tried installing (compiling into kernel :|) the ATI drivers with ubuntu?09:31
DXTooh fireworks brbrb09:31
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spivDXT: You don't need to compile them yourself.09:31
tckwhen i do lsusb it shows : 09:31
tckpluto:/proc/bus/usb# lsusb09:31
tckBus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey09:31
Qerubjoha: last time i checked, a couple of months ago, "passwords" were not supported.09:32
spivDXT: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto09:32
Qerubkega: what did you do?09:32
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DXTis the APT ati driver updated? :\09:32
johaQerub: well, iwconfig lets you enter "iwconfig eth1 key s:MyPassword". But I also tried entering the key manually (as generated by the router). Neither of those works.09:33
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DXTTrevan: yep.. that's how it works09:33
Qerubjoha: ok, then ignore me :)09:33
DXTdid someone forgot to backup? :O)09:33
willieneed a spot of post-intall help --- rebooted after inittial install and get to a gui login -- note havent been asked to set a root password yet --- no window manager selected  so its CtrlAlt+1 to get a console  -- but I can't get root!! What next?!?!?!!?09:33
TrevanNo, I'm suitably paranoid.  Just seems boneheaded.09:33
willieanybody got a hint?09:34
joemwillie, uh, read the faq09:34
joemroot is off by default09:34
DXTure right.. i thought the same thing myself, then i always backed my xf86 config09:34
joemthe user you create has full sudo privs09:34
willieseems fair09:34
kegaQerub, Did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and added nvidia to /etc/modules and rebooted09:34
DXTbtw why isn't Xorg in ubuntu?09:34
rifficlicense issues09:35
williejoem thanks09:35
tsengriffic: no?09:35
tsengDXT: because it was released after the freeze09:35
QerubDXT: much work :)09:35
tsengriffic: not remotely funny.09:35
tsengFUD sucks.09:35
DXTfood owns09:35
TrevanAnd I think the binary driver apt grabs is 3.14 DXT, but I'm not logged into my linux install atm so I can't check.09:36
DXTtseng: wow that means the freeze was a long time ago o_O09:36
tsengDXT, well, its not a very hard freeze, bugfixes are still going in now09:36
tsengbut they have settled on the core components09:36
tsengchanging the X system would be nuts in the middle of a release cycle.09:37
joemtseng, you mean no up to the minute glibc snapshots?!?09:37
tsengjoem: nope, sorry.09:37
spivX.org is planned for the next release.09:38
DXTwhere is the gobo linux channel o_O09:38
TrevanI hate to ask such a flimsy/subjective question, but is there any "decent" (heh) player other than XMMS which either (a) plays, or (b) can be modded to play m4a/aac/etc?09:39
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joemany gstreamer based player should work09:39
TrevanOut of the box?  Or with nudging?09:39
joemafaik gst does m4a09:39
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TrevanDoing a clean install from a more recent ISO shortly, that and some samba nightmares were my only two standing issues at this point.09:40
DXTwell, it's in the box, somewhere.. ;P09:40
joemyou would need the plugin, like all other gst stuff09:41
TrevanWell, that and having to "unimprove" what fglrxconfig does to my X config. :)09:41
yyc747Trevan: have you tried xine or totem-xine?09:41
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Trevanyyc747:  No.  I briefly fiddled with XMMS last night since it is what I am (vaguely) familiar with, but since I never really loved the program I didn't put much effort into it.09:42
TrevanI'm on the novice end of the spectrum so I can only do so much at the moment.09:42
yyc747Trevan: apt-get install totem-xine09:42
yyc747Trevan: in my experience, xine is usually good at some of the more obscure codecs09:43
TrevanI think aac has probably graduated beyond the "obscure" category at this point, but I will take a peek. :)09:43
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yyc747Trevan: true, but so has wma/wmv and divx, but ubuntu can't play those by default09:44
yyc747or mp3 for that matter09:44
WXanyone here know a way to get php4 and php5 working on the same apache web server? and invole renaming .php5 for php5?09:44
TrevanOh well, going to go plunge into install #3.  Later.09:45
pepsihas anyone used vmware09:45
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jamescubehey, when i install ubuntu, what sorta options do i have as far as boot loader goes? 09:50
jamescubecan i not install one? 09:50
Tzalidareither in MBR or in /boot partition09:50
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amerineanyone like my wallpapers?09:56
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tcki can't seem to access my usb key , can anyone help?09:56
pepsismoke up, johnny09:58
corleone_soo, i've been using redhat for years, and got my new amd64-3000mhz mobo and installed debian on it. lots of problems, segfaults etc. So ran into this ubuntu distro now.. does anyone have experience on installing it to amd64?09:59
pepsia friend of mine has it runnong on an amd6410:00
calccorleone_: you had lots of segfaults running normal i386 debian?10:00
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corleone_calc: no..10:00
calccorleone_: oh you were running pure64?10:00
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corleone_calc: installed the 64 version10:00
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calccorleone_: the one at debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org ?10:01
corleone_calc: yeah10:01
corleone_calc: sid-amd64-netinst.isp10:01
corleone_calc: iso that is10:01
calccorleone_: did you try regular i386 to make sure its not a hardware issue?10:02
corleone_calc: nope10:02
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calcyou could try installing amd64 ubuntu, but i don't recall pure64 having many problems either, so you might have faulty hardware10:02
goatboycorleone_: I've had a similar experience with debian-amd64.10:03
goatboyubuntu-amd64 just worked, though.10:03
corleone_calc: well i got the base system working ok, but installing x etc..10:03
calcwell X even on ubuntu doesn't work on amd64 unless you use the debug server10:04
corleone_calc: also apt was segfaulting first, but updated the packages and it went away10:04
corleone_calc: debug server?10:04
calcthe loader is broken on amd64 apparently10:04
calcxserver-xfree86-dbg, which is compiled without modules10:04
fughidabowitwhere exactly can i get the kernel-source for 2.6.8??10:05
corleone_calc: oh i see10:05
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goatboyodd, regular xserver-xfree86 works fine for me.10:05
calci'm using ubuntu amd64 on my laptop right now10:05
calcgoatboy: on amd64?10:05
goatboycalc: indeed.10:05
calcgoatboy: interesting10:05
corleone_ok that does it: going for ubuntu :-)10:05
corleone_but i think im getting my ice cream first, just got back from swimming hall10:06
fughidabowitso anyone know where i can get the sources for kernel 2.6.8??  im a little stuck right now trying to get my 3d card to work properly10:07
joemwhat sort of card?10:07
corleone_anyway, ubuntu sounds interesting, never heard about it before, though, until today10:07
fughidabowitati radeon 98000 pro10:07
Mithrandirfughidabowit: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto10:07
fughidabowiti tried installing the fglfx? packages yesterday without much success10:08
Mithrandirfughidabowit: what was the error?10:08
QerubMithrandir: Put it in topic or something... :)10:08
fughidabowitah ty...i was referencing a different place10:08
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fughidabowitit didnt find the module correctly10:08
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MithrandirQerub: we kinda need an infobot. :P10:08
fughidabowitlemme take a look at that url10:08
QerubMithrandir: Yer.10:08
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fughidabowitE: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.68610:10
fughidabowitsame problem i was haivng before10:11
spivfughidabowit: -686, not .68610:11
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fughidabowitty sir10:11
spivno worries10:11
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fughidabowit $ sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx10:14
fughidabowitFATAL: Module fglrx not found.10:14
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todorhello everyone. i have some troubles with running my soundcard under ubuntu... it isn't detected, and i'm unable to find 'alsaconf' :(10:17
Trevan*Sigh* New install, same media, new problem.  Heh.10:17
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Mithrandirfughidabowit: what does dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686 say?10:18
todoralsa-util is installed. i've searched for 'alsaconf' in Synaptic, but found nothing10:18
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fughidabowit| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed10:19
fughidabowit|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)10:19
fughidabowit||/ Name           Version        Description10:19
fughidabowitii  linux-restrict     Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on10:19
fughidabowitsorry for the big paste10:19
topylitodor: try 'which alsaconf". You should find it's in /usr/sbin10:19
fughidabowitthats evertying10:19
todortopyli: which alsaconf - nothing, locate alsaconf -nothing10:20
todortopyli: please could you check in which package is yours?10:20
topylitodor: trying now10:21
fughidabowitso i already have the modules installed....10:21
todoralsa[Tab]  gives me: alsactl and alsamixer10:21
spivfughidabowit: What about dpkg -l linux-image-* ?10:21
ejlozonhow do I enable mp3 encoding from sound-juicer?10:22
fughidabowitun  linux-image-2. <none>         (no description available)10:22
fughidabowitii  linux-image-2.      Linux kernel image for version on 3810:22
fughidabowitii  linux-image-2.     Linux kernel image for version on PP10:22
topylitodor: my alsa-utils has alsaconf. I wonder if it's from unstable or ubuntu...10:22
ejlozonI assume it is a gstreamer plugin10:22
topylitodor: alsa-utils 1.0.5-310:22
goatboyejlozon: you need gstreamer-lame.10:22
todortopyli: which version is your alsa-util?10:22
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ejlozongoatboy, thx10:23
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todortopyli: mine is 1.0.5-1ubuntu210:23
fughidabowitEric: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto10:23
todortopyli: i guess yours is pure debian package?10:23
fughidabowitpretty simple stuff10:24
topylitodor: i guess mine is from unstable then. i didn't do it on purpose, something else must have dragged it in :)10:24
fughidabowitstep 2 returned tah the drivers were already there10:24
fughidabowitstep 3.b fails10:24
limauniondoes anybody know how to disable certain operations while booting ? ie. ubuntu waste a couple of seconds trying to load LVM which I don't use and would like to disable this check...10:24
spivfughidabowit: Could you paste the output of 'COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l linux-restricted-2.6-686', then 'uname -a'?10:25
Tzalidarejlozon: why not encode with ogg :)10:25
fughidabowitNo packages found matching linux-restricted-2.6-686.10:25
todortopyli: well, i guess i should go and read how do i include 'universe' in my apt sources. thanks a lot!10:25
topylitodor: could be in universe, but mine may also be from debian unstable...10:26
spivfughidabowit: my bad, linux-restricted-modules-... :)10:26
fughidabowitLinux ubuntu #1 Tue Sep 14 10:30:08 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux10:26
spivfughidabowit: thanks for your patience :)10:26
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII10:27
fughidabowitoh thanks for YOUR patience!10:27
fughidabowit<--- linux newbie10:27
fughidabowittrying to slowly convert from Windows to Linux10:27
spivfughidabowit: Would you mind trying COLUMNS=140? :)10:27
spivI want to see the full name of that packcage.10:27
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686                               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.10:28
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spiv(I dont think it's a problem, just crossing off possibilities :)10:28
spivOops, wrong command again...10:29
TrevanOkely-dokely.  I'm stumped.  I just did a fresh install from the same source ISO, and now my mouse refuses to work.  I keep getting "usb 2-2: device not accepting address 2, error -110" on the console shortly after it launches X/GDM.  Any pointers?10:29
TreenaksTrevan: IRQ Problems10:29
TreenaksTrevan: try booting with pci=noacpi10:29
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goatboyfughidabowit: you'll probably need to update your kernel.10:30
TrevanBut the same system had no issues with an installation from the same CD all of 12 hours ago. :)10:30
fughidabowitjust tell me what i need to do :)10:30
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spivfughidabowit: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii10:30
spivfughidabowit: I tested before typing this time ;)10:30
robertjbtw is there an official warty release date?10:31
spivrobertj: Yep..10:31
robertjspiv: ooh, point me to the page10:31
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686                               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.10:31
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686                               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.10:31
fughidabowitderek@ubuntu ~ $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii10:31
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686    10:31
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules- 10:31
fughidabowitii  linux-restricted-modules- 10:31
spivrobertj: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule (sorry, was just looking up the link)10:31
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robertjspiv: thanks a heap10:32
robertjOoh my Sundial says the RC is scheduled for tomorrow. Does that mean we get new artwork ;)10:32
spivfughidabowit: Ok, that looks ok -- your running kernel is, and you have the matching linux-restricted-modules10:32
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fughidabowitspiv: hrm...well i originally installed the fglrx mods from the Package Manager..when that didnt work,i uninstalled them...however that sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver commadn reports that the driver is already installed :-/10:36
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spivfughidabowit: Oh, hmm.10:36
spivfughidabowit: You mean you actually removed files?10:37
fughidabowitspiv: i used the package manager to remove them from there10:37
spivCan you remember what you did, exactly? :)10:38
spivOh, hmm.10:39
spivSo, "ls -l lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko" doesn't find any files?10:40
spivErr, I mean .../fglrx.ko10:40
fughidabowitok i just removed it using apt, then re-installed it...that worked...but then when i modprobe'd it...it retruned an error: Module fglrx not found10:41
spivAnd /lib10:41
spiv(so ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko)10:41
todori've got the same problem with my matrox card - no 'mga_hal.ko'10:41
spivWhich package is "it"? :)10:41
todorso - no GL acceleration for now10:42
spivSorry, I mean ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko10:42
spivMaybe I shouldn't be giving advice tongiht :)10:42
fughidabowitls: /lib/modules/ No such file or directory10:43
DXT|awayfunny i so a note about this file in some guide for ati drivers... cant remember what it said though :x10:46
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spivfughidabowit: Sorry, ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko10:47
spivfughidabowit: Which should have been installed by (in your case) linux-restricted-modules-
fughidabowityeah its not there10:49
spivBut dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules- says that package is installed?10:49
fughidabowitii  linux-restrict    Non-free Linux modules on 38610:50
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spivOk, that's odd.10:50
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spivDoes dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules- | grep fglrx show anything?10:51
todorwell, no alsaconf is odd too...10:51
TrevanThank you to whomever told me to add the pci=noacpi flag at boot.  Although it would be comforting to know why it went from worky to no-worky between installs. :)10:51
spivfughidabowit: Strange, I thought that version should have it.  Hmm!10:51
fughidabowitTrevan: yeah I had to do the same as well10:52
spivfughidabowit: I know that -3-686 does, though (because I have that version)10:52
spivfughidabowit: Do you have linux-image- installed?  If so, try rebooting into that.10:52
fughidabowitspiv: i must have done something b0rky10:52
fughidabowitspiv: how would i determine that10:53
spivfughidabowit: Try installing it see if apt says you've got it or not ;_10:53
spivOr use dpkg -l.10:53
spivIt's possible that the fglrx module is 686 only.10:53
spivOr that the version prerequisite on the wiki page is wrong :)10:54
fughidabowitNo packages found matching linux-image-
fughidabowityep its there10:54
spivSorry, my bad :)10:54
fughidabowitii  linux-image-2.     Linux kernel image for version on PP10:54
spivOk, try rebooting into that kernel (it should already be in the grub menu).10:55
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spivfughidabowit: Again, thanks for your patience :)10:55
fughidabowitspiv: thanks for your help - really appreciated!10:55
spivI've been a bit slow tonight.10:55
todorgood night guys, and happy ubuntu hacking :)10:55
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pittiseb128: do you know whether n-c-b is able to burn audio CDs?10:57
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fughidabowitloaded up 3-68610:59
spivfughidabowit: Any luck?  :)10:59
fughidabowitthe fglrx.ko file isi there now10:59
sufehmihi, anyone can help me troubleshooting sound ?11:00
topylipitti: no11:00
spivSo modprobe fglrx should work?11:00
fughidabowitwell it returned nothing11:00
fughidabowitwhich is better than "Error"11:00
spivfughidabowit: Right, that's supposed to happen :)11:00
fughidabowitspiv: niiiiiiiice11:00
fughidabowitspiv: so can i play some freaking doom now11:00
fughidabowitspiv: lol11:01
FireRabbitscrew doom, glxgears! :)11:01
spivOk, edit your XF86Config-4 to use fglrx (if you haven't already)), and you're done ;)11:01
fughidabowityeah yeah yeah11:01
Maydayfughidabowit: use "lsmod" to see if it loaded11:01
fughidabowityes it is11:01
fughidabowittuxracer works fast now11:01
fughidabowitthanks spiv11:01
spivfughidabowit: You're welcome :)11:02
seb128pitti: no, it's not11:03
amerineanyone like my wallpapers?11:10
fughidabowitwell doom ran not bad...just crashed tho...11:10
phlaegelamerine: the ones on the list?11:10
phlaegelthey're sweet. not big enough though. I run 1600x1200 :-)11:10
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amerinei'll have larger ones tonight, im at the office11:11
DXTsay, ubuntu figured out that my monitor is capable 1240x1024@85hz but i cant make it work 1024x768@100 - only 87interlaced11:11
phlaegelamerine: nice.11:11
TrevanOK, please correct me if I'm about to foul up.  To get a working AAC (Faad) plugin going for gstreamer, I need to download the source that corresponds to the backend packaged with ubuntu (0.8.4) and compile, yes/no?11:12
robertjDXT: LCD or CRT11:12
andrilsame here I am having sound issues too11:12
DXTsee are tea11:12
DXTcrt :)11:13
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fughidabowitspiv: what kind of card do you have?11:13
DXTim having this type of problem with every distro, one way or another.. i always mess around with modlines and stuff for hours :|11:13
spiva Mobility Radeon 9600 M1011:14
DXTi just dont get why cant i just say to x: "1024x768 = 100hz, 800x600 = 120hz"11:14
fughidabowithave you experienced any graphics glitches with that card?  my radeon is doing some wierd thingsin doom, tuxracer11:14
spivfughidabowit: Yeah, tuxracer looks wierd for me.11:15
spivfughidabowit: I haven't had time to investigate :)11:15
spivI don't play many games, so it's not something I worry about much :)11:15
DXTthe game of life :)11:15
spivglxgears runs fine ;)11:15
DXTchannel's full of happyness :)11:16
spivAs do any of the GL xscreensavers.11:16
spiv(I particularly like the glsnake screensaver, but that's because I helped write it ;)11:16
fughidabowitnice :)11:16
Micksaand also because of that especially suss looking arrangement that you made11:17
Micksathat made it in11:17
spivMicksa: That wasn't my model!11:17
MicksaI know11:17
MicksaI was just having some fun at your expense11:17
spivMicksa: We have labels in glsnanke off by default in ubuntu, I believe ;)11:17
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Micksastar wars: jedi knight 3 has a violence setting that you can switch in the console11:18
Micksaat installation it's set to 1 by default11:18
Micksaif you set it to 9 you can saber people's limbs off and everything11:18
menatoranyone gotten eclipse working yet?11:20
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Tzalidarmenator: in ubuntu?11:22
menatorTzalidar: yeah11:22
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Tzalidarmenator: well, all you need to do is to install java from sun and then install eclipse from www.eclipse.org11:23
menatorTzalidar: I wish it were that easy.11:23
punkassbut it is that easy :)11:24
Tzalidarmenator: what is the problem, where are you stuck?11:24
menatorTzalidar: Eclipse bombs out on a broken lib, x11libgtk211:24
menatorTzalidar: I think thats what it is.11:24
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Tzalidarmenator, hmm that is strange, since gnome should be using that lib if i am correct11:24
menatorTzalidar: Just did a re-install using the i386 instead of amd64, so I'm re-installing java right now.11:24
jazzkaplease, anyone with experience with ubuntu+kde11:25
menatorTzalidar: Thats what I was thinking.11:25
jazzkais it functional?11:25
SamBozoTzalidar, on 3 lines or less what is eclipse good for .. and yes I'm looking at the page as we speak?11:25
TzalidarSamBozo: well, i haven't used eclipse that much, but it is an extensible IDE with strong java support11:26
menatorSamBozo: Most of the java development stuff is all brought together, not to mention, an incremental compiler, plugins for just about any language or editor...etc.11:26
punkassjazzka: check out the eclipse plugin page...there is a whole pile of stuff u can use it for11:27
punkasssorry that was for SamBozo11:27
Tzalidareclipse works for me here11:27
Tzalidarnice sleek gtk integration ;)11:27
Tzalidarand by that i mean that it uses the same theme as the gtk interface that you are running :)11:28
SamBozook .. give me a program name it replaces .. or does the same thing as .. please11:28
Tzalidarnetbeans, jbuilder11:28
Tzalidaror if you wish; kdevelop, ajunta11:28
SamBozowhere does code warrior fit in .. just had a copy given me11:28
punkasswith plugins, you can use it for php, python asewll11:28
Miichaelok how do i switch my soundblaster to snd0 and the onboard sound to  snd111:29
SamBozowow all purpose platform thingie then .. lol  like the site says11:29
SamBozobetter than the others? kdevelop.. or just newer 11:30
Tzalidarhmm strange, i cant start eclipse from nautilus11:30
Tzalidarbut from the commandline it starts11:30
Tzalidarit doesn't find the JRE when i launch it from nautilus11:30
Tzalidari have exported the path with my .bashrc script11:31
TzalidarjEdit works11:31
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tckwhen i try to do, ./MAKEDEV sda - nothing appears in /dev11:38
tckcan anyone help?11:40
TzalidarMiichael: are you running alsa?11:42
pittitck: please don't use MAKEDEV11:42
pittitck: Ubuntu uses udev, which dynamically manages /dev11:42
tckok ;)11:42
pittitck: all devices that exist are entered into /dev automatically11:42
tckpitti, theres no scsi link for usb devices11:43
pittitck: what is sda supposed to be?11:43
TzalidarMiichael: okay, i take it that you want to use your soundblaster card as your default sound card?11:43
TzalidarMiichael: okay, you need to create the file ".alsarc" in your home dir11:44
pittitck: just plug in the device,11:44
Tzalidarill paste you in private message how it should look11:44
pittitck: it should all work automatically11:44
tckpitti, it doesnt11:44
tcki can see it with usbview11:44
tckbut i cant access, what dir, not mounted etc ?11:45
pittitck: did you just plug it in?11:45
pittitck: the device node (/dev/sda1 or so) should be created automatically11:46
TrevanShould I be trying to compile / add plugins to the gstreamer installed with ubuntu, or removing ubuntu's gstreamer components and starting from square one?  I'm feeling a little overwhelmed.11:46
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pittitck: if not, can you please /msg me the output of 'dmesg | tail 20'?11:46
jazzkadoes kde programs run correctly with ubuntu?11:49
spivjazzka: They ought to work as well as they do in debian unstable, but no effort has been put into them.11:50
jazzkais there any command like apt-get xxx package_name   that says which branch does it comes from?11:51
jazzkaif it's from main or universe11:51
spivapt-cache show package-name11:51
spivLook for the "Section" field.11:51
spivIf using synaptic, Ubuntu supported pacakges are marked with an ubuntu logo.11:52
jazzkaok thanks!11:52
Tzalidari just cant belive this: if i launch eclipse with ./eclipse from the dir where i installed eclipse, it works. But if i create a launcher on the gnome panel or try to launch it by clicking on it, i get an error saying it cannot find a JRE11:55
spivTzalidar: different PATH env vars?11:56
Tzalidarspiv: ??? you mean that nautilus and the terminal uses different env vars11:56
Tzalidarbecause i have set up the env vars correctly11:56
punkassis your $JAVA_HOME set?11:56
TzalidarjEdit launches successfully11:57
Tzalidareclipse launches from the command line11:57
Tzalidarbut when i launch it from a launcher on the panel (which points to the same file) it complains about not finding a jre11:57
punkasscan u make a symlink to eclipse from usr/bin so u can just have  'eclipse' in the launcher:)11:57
Tzalidarpunkass: ill try that ;)11:58

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