[12:00] <tck> M-systems DiskOnKey, thats it
[12:00] <tck> disgo key ;)
[12:03] <tck> Blissex, any ideas?
[12:04] <Blissex> tck:  on IRC you should not paste more than 3-4 lines.
[12:04] <fughidabowit> can anyone help me edit grub so that my windows os will boot?
[12:04] <tck> that doesn't help
[12:04] <Blissex> tck: in theory 'modprobe usb-storage' should work, but that should have been done automatically by hotplug etc.
[12:05] <Blissex> tck: if you want to be helped in general respect IRC rules. Else you will get kicked or banned from channels...
[12:05] <Blissex> fughidabowit: it is pretty easy, and there are many examples on the net. in the GRUB HOWTO for example.
[12:06] <tck> has anyone else got any ideas?
[12:22] <tck> a mate is having problems with mounting his cdrom
[12:22] <tck> its usb, and ubuntu installed ok off it
[12:23] <tck> but upon boot, isn't accessible
[12:24] <lml> What is the best/easiest way to install MythTV under Ubuntu?
[12:25] <Blissex> lml: it has a number of ready-made MythTV packages. Just install them.
[12:26] <Blissex> lml: to manage packages use 'synaptic' all the time, it lists what is available, and you can search for packages etc.
[12:30] <Phr0stByte> Hiya neighborlee!
[12:30] <neighborlee> had to reinstall my other OS and I need help with getting ( chroot I presume ?) back ingo ubuntu..there is no 'rescue' mode and I dont have a bootdisk ( never finding mkbootdisk) so how do I get back in ? ;-)...
[12:30] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte hi ;-)
[12:31] <lml> Blissex: I did see the packages in universe for a couple of weeks ago, but I cannot find them any more.
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: LOL - other OS?
[12:33] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, yes..ha to reinstall XP thus
[12:33] <neighborlee> had 
[12:33] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: MS is banned from my house
[12:33] <neighborlee> heh
[12:34] <neighborlee> it would be from mine too IF I could get my invoiceing program data OUT of msaccess and use it in some app in linux..but i've yet to export the data in a useable format :(...i'm ..working on it ;(
[12:34] <neighborlee> ohhhhhhhhhh
[12:34] <neighborlee> DONT blame you ;-)heh
[12:35] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte you poor  linux fellow...that must be kinda funny though in a way..FIXing broken XP machines heh...
[12:35] <Phr0stByte> heh
[12:35] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Makes you versitile
[12:36] <neighborlee> indeed
[12:36] <neighborlee> so how do I get back into ubuntu :(
[12:36] <neighborlee> otherwise i'm really screwed in having to totally reinstall and I have things I really should backup first ;(
[12:36] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: your MBR has been changed
[12:36] <neighborlee> yes it has indeed..XP is good at that <G>
[12:37] <neighborlee> it doesn't 'care' about other linux OS that might reside LOL..< bad XP 
[12:37] <neighborlee> ;-)
[12:37] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: But it does have its own boot manager
[12:37] <neighborlee> how is it done with chroot or can it be ?
[12:38] <lml> Blisses: Can you see the packages in universe?
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: If you can find it..........
[12:38] <neighborlee> lol yeah
[12:39] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[12:42] <neighborlee> checking
[12:42] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: The file to find is "bootsek.lin"
[12:44] <fughidabowit> where is the documentation to install 3d drivers?
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: If you are not tied to a prticular boot manager you can try this freeware solution: http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
[12:45] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte problem is I have z ero access to linux at all right now..squat
[12:45] <neighborlee> dain
[12:47] <neighborlee> brb
[12:48] <DragonX> hi
[12:48] <DragonX> I need some Ubuntu support
[12:48] <DragonX> plz
[12:48] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Actually, that BootPart looks prety cool...
[12:49] <DragonX> anyone?
[12:50] <Phr0stByte> DragonX: problem?
[12:51] <DragonX> ya
[12:51] <Phr0stByte> DragonX: what is it?
[12:51] <DragonX> I just installed ubuntu, and it won't activate my eth0 card (its a 3com 3c940), and I get no sound
[12:51] <DragonX> it locks up when I attempt to enable it
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> DragonX: What locks up when you attempt to enable it/
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> ?
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> NIC or audio?
[12:52] <DragonX> NIC
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> WHat card it it?
[12:53] <DragonX> 3com gigabit 3c940
[12:53] <DragonX> the networking config window stops responding
[12:53] <Phr0stByte> DragonX: Do you know the correct module for the card?
[12:53] <DragonX> ...I'm a linux newb, so ... no
[12:54] <Phr0stByte> DragonX: OK - 1 sec....
[12:55] <DragonX> k
[12:55] <DragonX> SWITCHING MY NICK OVER TO Lucas!!
[12:55] <DragonX> or not
[12:56] <theDragon> ok, I am not theDragon
[12:56] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, no luck chrooting...it says  no such file or DIR for /dev/hdb2 < which I know is my linux partition
[12:56] <theDragon> *now
[12:56] <AndersAA> neighborlee: you need to mount it first..
[12:57] <AndersAA> neighborlee: mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt && chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[12:57] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=516
[12:57] <neighborlee> AndersAA, oh ic...sigh ok thx
[12:57] <theDragon> thx
[12:58] <theDragon> ok, so now what do I do?
[12:58] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: It might be difficult though, in being new to linux
[12:58] <theDragon> wait, would Ubuntu work with my Linksys eth card?
[12:59] <AndersAA> generally ubuntu would work perfectly fine with any 3com card aswell
[12:59] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: I think so, as mine is a Linksys
[12:59] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: I run the tulip module
[01:00] <theDragon> wierd
[01:00] <theDragon> it just freezes when I try to enable it
[01:01] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: What kind of connection you got
[01:01] <Phr0stByte> dhcp?
[01:01] <theDragon> uh, using a broadband
[01:01] <theDragon> PPPoE
[01:02] <theDragon> I think DHCP is on
[01:02] <theDragon> ...
[01:04] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: The "sk98lin" is known to work extremely well for your 3com, but you may have to recompile the kernel to get the module in there.
[01:04] <Phr0stByte> theDragon: Thats quite a job for a newbie...
[01:05] <Trevan> Does anyone here have experience in getting ATI's binary driver to work with Ubuntu?  I've managed to break my XF86Config trying to set it up, apparently.
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Any luck?
[01:06] <neighborlee> AndersAA, no luck..mount can't find /dev/hdbx
[01:07] <LucasX> hey
[01:07] <LucasX> back
[01:07] <AndersAA> fdisk -l /dev/hda ; fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[01:07] <LucasX> I was theDragon
[01:07] <LucasX> and DragonX
[01:07] <AndersAA> it should be there somewhere
[01:07] <LucasX> I got booted :S
[01:07] <AndersAA> and if it's there linux will find it, I've had the bios been wrong plenty of times, but not linux
[01:07] <LucasX> anyways, so any idea what's up with that?
[01:07] <neighborlee> AndersAA,,ok
[01:08] <neighborlee> AndersAA, I was also getting error about mount problem since /dev/hdb2 wasn't in fstab ....
[01:09] <neighborlee> then after I fixed that it complained that hdb2 was nowhere to be found ;-)...I think this is a losing battle
[01:10] <AndersAA> well, you sure it's hdb2?
[01:10] <Trevan> No Radeon users here using the binary drivers, eh?
[01:10] <neighborlee> im positive
[01:10] <AndersAA> keep in mind if you in your bios change first boot device some bioses will rewrite that info
[01:10] <neighborlee> I checked by booting ubuntu CD installer and it sure is
[01:10] <neighborlee> hdb2 is my reiserfs 60gb partition
[01:10] <AndersAA> try to boot grub, get a prompt and start writing root (hd0,0) root(hd0,1), it won't write anything, and keep doing that until you can find your partition
[01:11] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Try http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
[01:11] <AndersAA> keep in mind for example hd1,1 = hdb2 (1,0=hdb1)
[01:11] <neighborlee> AndersAA: problem is I have zero access to linux period..
[01:11] <neighborlee> thus no grub
[01:11] <AndersAA> what happens when you boot?
[01:11] <neighborlee> windblows XP
[01:11] <AndersAA> and you installed grub during the install program?
[01:12] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: You can change that after you get into linux
[01:12] <neighborlee> yes.I had to reinstall XP and I knew this would happen but I thought i'd be able to'get back in'
[01:12] <neighborlee> AndersAA: yes..before I installed XP again though
[01:12] <LucasX> anyone?
[01:12] <AndersAA> you dont need to reinstall xp...
[01:12] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, correct..IF I can get back into linux :(..checking your LINK
[01:12] <AndersAA> ubuntu will even add a boot option for it in the menu
[01:13] <neighborlee> yes np I realize all that
[01:13] <neighborlee> btdt
[01:14] <neighborlee> i'm just saying that since I instaled XP..it overwrote my MBR ( of course) and I have no access to linux period now...
[01:14] <AndersAA> ohh, this worked before?
[01:14] <neighborlee> I thought chroot would get me back in ( like it does in other distros) but zero fat chance it seems
[01:14] <neighborlee> correct
[01:14] <AndersAA> ahh, well, you dont need to chroot
[01:14] <AndersAA> you can boot the cd and install grub from there
[01:14] <neighborlee> i 'was' in ubuntu BEFORE I reinstalled XP
[01:14] <neighborlee> tried that
[01:14] <neighborlee> no go
[01:14] <AndersAA> the thing is the cd might have a lot of custom modules and stuff like that
[01:15] <neighborlee> i'd have to reinstall for that to work andi'd lose all my data
[01:15] <AndersAA> which hd do you have ubuntu on?
[01:15] <neighborlee> hdb
[01:15] <AndersAA> hdb1?
[01:15] <neighborlee> windows is on hda
[01:15] <AndersAA> well, you could just reinstall ubuntu, it shouldn't do anything with your windows partition
[01:15] <neighborlee> sorry I know this is madening but its where I find myself LOL
[01:15] <AndersAA> and if you click "esc" when it says click esc to enter menu there should be a menuitem for xp there
[01:16] <menator> After install I and updating my system when starting gdm or X I get module V4l not found
[01:16] <AndersAA> menator: that module is video for linux, it shouldn't be something critical
[01:16] <neighborlee> AndersAA: I hope after this that ubuntu adds a 'rescue' mode ;(...this aint cuttin in at all
[01:16] <jazzka> does ubuntu come with a program that automatically shutdowns the computer?
[01:16] <AndersAA> yeah, that's probably a good idea
[01:16] <neighborlee> AndersAA: i'm looking to lose data im' not sure I have ;(....Ican't get back in to verify what I have ;(
[01:16] <jazzka> or something like that?
[01:16] <AndersAA> jazzka: ... huh?
[01:16] <AndersAA> jazzka: you can just select shut down from the menu
[01:17] <jazzka> AndersAA, I want to shutdown the computer at 17.00, for example
[01:17] <jazzka> is that possible?
[01:17] <AndersAA> neighborlee: what you could do that might work, is boot the install cd's install program, then go through the menu until you can find your hd, and after that quit the install program, it should have loaded your modules
[01:17] <joem> jazzka, yea, cron job
[01:17] <AndersAA> jazzka: yes, look into crontab and the command halt
[01:17] <AndersAA> crontab in google should get you some example
[01:17] <AndersAA> +s
[01:17] <Smeggy> or poweroff
[01:17] <AndersAA> or shutdown -t now
[01:17] <AndersAA> ;)
[01:18] <Smeggy> or shutdown -h now
[01:18] <jazzka> mmmm ok
[01:18] <AndersAA> or pull out the power cord
[01:18] <AndersAA> but I'm not sure crontab can do that
[01:18] <Smeggy> or pull out a fuse or flip a breaker
[01:18] <menator> AndersAA: Why would X be using it?
[01:18] <AndersAA> menator: it could be it's just trying to load it, and failing that, so it's not the critical error
[01:18] <jazzka> hey, I'm talking about power off the computer, when I'm not present!!1
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> Heh - got my wifes account set up in Korean
[01:19] <AndersAA> jazzka: well, crontab is for scheduling execution of commands
[01:19] <Smeggy> jazzka, youll need to setup a cron job to execute one of the commands we told you at whatever interval/time you want the computer to go off
[01:20] <jazzka> too complex, it must be easier
[01:20] <neighborlee> AndersAA: yeah it loads my modules alright..but since hdb2 isn't in /dev then mount can't do what it needs to do...i've no idea how other distros do this but thats where I find myself..IF I could have found 'mkbootdisk' or whatever debian calls it..i'd be FINE now ;(boohisssigh ..ha <<
[01:20] <jazzka> I'll try shutdown -t now
[01:20] <AndersAA> neighborlee: hmm, report that as a bug, it should have those there
[01:20] <AndersAA> neighborlee: you realize you can boot from any other distro's cd and run grub from there right? ;)
[01:21] <Smeggy> jazzka, that will shutdown the computer after a time you specify in seconds after the -t..
[01:21] <jazzka> Smeggy, that's right for me
[01:21] <stianh> hmm, it just occured to me that I haven't rebooted since I installed ubuntu three days ago :)
[01:21] <stianh> so I haven't really seen how the booting is :p
[01:21] <WW_> Speaking of cron... Is there a GUI for cron?
[01:22] <neighborlee> AndersAA: ok will do
[01:22] <AndersAA> WW_: probably craploads, try searching through the package tree
[01:22] <neighborlee> AndersAA: hmmm
[01:22] <AndersAA> I do that too but I'm also a really bad electrician, so whenever I need to screw around with that I just turn my stuff off :p
[01:22] <Phr0stByte> Smeggy: same here
[01:23] <neighborlee> AndersAA: well I do have knoppix ( although I realize ubuntu has a new LIVECD which is nice!) I guess I could use it..but how does grub find my current installed patition ( what is syntax ?)
[01:24] <AndersAA> neighborlee: grub (to start it, will take a few seconds); root (hd1,0) #that'll be hdb1; ; setup (hd0)
[01:24] <AndersAA> then quit ;)
[01:24] <menator_> AndersAA: Your right, I had XF86Config-4 in my /etc/X11/ that was broken, deleted and works.
[01:24] <AndersAA> :)
[01:27] <neighborlee> AndersAA: sigh i'm not as familiar with grub as I could be..what does the setup part do ?
[01:27] <AndersAA> the setup does the actual installing, that setup will install on mbr
[01:27] <jmknsd> ubuntu is 1 cd, correct?
[01:27] <AndersAA> that's probably what ubuntu did for you, and then it uses grub to load XP
[01:27] <AndersAA> jmknsd: yes
[01:27] <andi84> hi all
[01:28] <andi84> i have a casio exilim ex-z40 digicam connected to an usb port, but ubuntu does not recognise the cam
[01:28] <andi84> can somebody help me out+
[01:28] <andi84> ???
[01:30] <neighborlee> andi84, sadly not all devides are 'created equal'..it may just be one of them...i'd check the hardware compatability list to see what could be done to get it working..i'm  not sure of the URL but just google un less someone here knows more...my cam doesn't work either so I dont have great deal of knowledge on the subject
[01:30] <andi84> not good
[01:31] <menator_> java-sdk-1.4.2?
[01:31] <andi84> ?
[01:31] <neighborlee> andi84, you may luck out and find someone who has written at least a beta'ish driver for it ;-)
[01:31] <appleworkitbaby> okay, I'll give it one more shot....Could some one please answer a question for me?
[01:32] <andi84> whats your problem appleworkitbaby
[01:32] <andi84> hmm im googlin for it
[01:32] <andi84> perhaps i find something
[01:32] <appleworkitbaby> I need to know it Ubuntu supports Zoom modems...
[01:32] <appleworkitbaby> its a USB
[01:33] <Phr0stByte> andi84: I have a USB card reader to get my pics from the camera.
[01:33] <menator_> is there an unofficial repository for java-sdk?
[01:33] <andi84> hmm im sorry can help you with that
[01:33] <appleworkitbaby> thats okay/
[01:33] <appleworkitbaby> .
[01:33] <andi84> @ prostbyte i also have a multicard reader in my computer but the system doesn recognize it too
[01:33] <andi84> :(
[01:34] <appleworkitbaby> thats the only thing that has kept me from using Linux...well, that and the fact that it would constantly crash
[01:34] <appleworkitbaby> so...
[01:34] <appleworkitbaby> neither YellowDog, nor Mandrak supported it.
[01:34] <appleworkitbaby> I was hoping this did.
[01:35] <Phr0stByte> andi84: same here - but I baught a small reader that connects via USB - it works great
[01:35] <neighborlee> appleworkitbaby, if memory serves..zoom are winmodems so your mileage may not be enticing ;(
[01:36] <appleworkitbaby> no...
[01:36] <menator_> anyone know where I can find java and eclipse debs?
[01:36] <appleworkitbaby> Zoom did make them for the PPC.
[01:36] <andi84> hmm don want to buy another card reader just because linux doesn recognise it as such
[01:36] <appleworkitbaby> in fact, when my internal modem blew (during a storm) this was the only one I could find, thatw roked with my PPC
[01:37] <appleworkitbaby> so...
[01:37] <appleworkitbaby> its very important, that it work.
[01:37] <appleworkitbaby> and so far, I haven't gotten it working...
[01:37] <appleworkitbaby> ;-(
[01:37] <Phr0stByte> andi84: cheap - I think it was not over 30$ (US)
[01:38] <appleworkitbaby> I suppose I could just run linux throught Virtual PC...and use a LAN connection...
[01:38] <appleworkitbaby> its just terrible slow.
[01:38] <appleworkitbaby> :-(
[01:39] <appleworkitbaby> *terribly*
[01:40] <appleworkitbaby> thanks anyways yall.
[01:44] <menator_> No java people?
[01:46] <Livewire-> what are those fancy graphical objects with weather ect. on called again? desklets?
[01:46] <menator_> Livewire: gdesklets
[01:46] <Livewire-> ah thanks
[01:47] <ReporterX> Hello all!
[01:48] <Livewire-> menator_ can i get them via Synaptic?
[01:59] <ReporterX> I'm a newbie on ubunto ... I set the root password but when i try to upon synaptic i got the error "Child terminate with 1 status". How do i get in synaptic.
[01:59] <ReporterX> ?
[02:00] <tuggy> how are you starting synaptic?
[02:00] <ReporterX> From gnome menu...
[02:00] <tuggy> you have to enter YOUR password when it asks 
[02:00] <tuggy> thats what sudo is all about
[02:01] <ReporterX> oppss... ok.... tx
[02:01] <ReporterX> ubunto have the atmel driver for wireless usb devices ?
[02:02] <Phr0stByte> ????
[02:04] <tophfisher> Hi Everyone, I just installed Ubuntu on my Powermac, and was hoping to find mplayer, and mozplugins so I could use the mplay plugins with Firefox, any know if I can do that with Ubuntu?
[02:04] <lml> Anyone who knows what is the easiest way to install MythTV under Ubuntu?
[02:06] <tophfisher> Or, where I should go look?
[02:07] <Phr0stByte> Ooooh - I like this Beep-media-player...
[02:07] <LeeColleton> It would seem there are no USB interfaces in /dev/ although I still see them registering via dmesg
[02:08] <LeeColleton> I can't sync my palm pilot or print :(
[02:11] <LeeColleton> Okay, I found the USB devices under /.dev/
[02:11] <LeeColleton> What the hell is /.dev/  ?
[02:12] <Phr0stByte> Has anyi gotten k3b to work correctly under Ubuntu?
[02:14] <LeeColleton> Phr0stByte: yes
[02:14] <LeeColleton> does that answer your question?
[02:17] <Phr0stByte> LeeColleton: it keeps telling me kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found
[02:19] <Phr0stByte> LeeColleton: (thats when I run k3bsetup)
[02:21] <Phr0stByte> LeeColleton: /.dev/ is a directory - does that answer your question?
[02:22] <LeeColleton> Phr0stByte: why does ubuntu create a hidden (and non-LSB compliant) directory for device files?
[02:24] <LeeColleton> Phr0stByte: you can configure all the necessary options under Settings > Configure k3b...
[02:24] <LeeColleton> I'm going to reboot and see if that /.dev directory goes away
[02:27] <menator_> anyone know where I can get Eclipse-sdk debs?
[02:27] <jkg> so, um, yes. what's all this /.dev business about?
[02:32] <ReporterX> hello all
[02:32] <ReporterX> Can some give me some tips How do i setup an atmel wireless device ?
[02:32] <ReporterX> wireless usb device
[02:34] <theDragon> hi
[02:34] <theDragon> oops
[02:39] <PeaceableFrood> I seem to be having difficulty mount a samba share, it works when I do it through Gnome but to do it to a folder it does not work
[02:43] <|trey|> Damn, I guess I've been missing all the fun on news sites etc... Didn't realize it was quite so popular already... Heard "GNOME" and "Debian" and "Sid Snapshot" and downloaded first day, not payed attention since...
[02:44] <Phr0stByte> Ubuntu just wont let be setup k3b!
[02:44] <Phr0stByte> grrrrrrrrr
[02:44] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: ugh, add universal and install it, its not supported...
[02:44] <smeggy> gimme a bit of time and ill grab it and see what happens
[02:45] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: by "not supported" I mean "don't bring it up here".
[02:45] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: the packages are installed - but k3b setup gives errors
[02:45] <PeaceableFrood> why won't my samba share mount?
[02:46] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: what do you mean? you can't burn as a user with 2.6.8.1 kernel.
[02:47] <|trey|> PeaceableFrood: your guess is as good as mine without a little more info...
[02:48] <PeaceableFrood> well i try to mount it like so mount -t smbfs -o username=xxx //Server/Share /mnt/point no dice
[02:48] <|trey|> man smbmount
[02:49] <PeaceableFrood> No manual entry for smbmount
[02:49] <smeggy> Whats the error PeaceableFrood?
[02:49] <swim> I did an apply all upgradeable from synaptic, and now I get a kernel panic when booting, I am now in recovery mode... help?
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: dosnt work as root either - says it cant find dvd+rw tools - but they are installed
[02:50] <PeaceableFrood> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //Matthew/Music,
[02:50] <PeaceableFrood>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:50] <|trey|> swim: what did the panic say?
[02:50] <swim> |trey|: oh I dont know... should I reboot and write it down? 
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: On a side note, Nautilus burning works fine as a user
[02:50] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: cool.. go to #debian-kde, it is there packages you are using, no Ubuntu's...
[02:50] <swim> or is there anyway I can just reverse everything that synaptic updated?
[02:51] <|trey|> swim: umm, yeah
[02:51] <swim> ok, brb then
[02:51] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: so why are you even bothering with an overhyped peace of software if what you had works?
[02:51] <smeggy> Sounds like smbfs is not compiled into your kernel PeaceableFrood..
[02:52] <|trey|> smeggy: its a module usually...
[02:52] <smeggy> Yeah
[02:52] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: because it has a function for video DVDs that other software does not have
[02:52] <|trey|> PeaceableFrood: modprobe smbfs
[02:52] <smeggy> Or the module isn't loaded.  I thought that would go without saying though ;)
[02:52] <|trey|> smeggy: nothing goes without saying when you're providing help....
[02:52] <PeaceableFrood> tried it, doesn't work
[02:53] <PeaceableFrood> it should load automatically anyway
[02:53] <smeggy> |trey|, heh :/
[02:53] <smeggy> PeaceableFrood, doesn't load? Or loads and doesn't work still? Or is alreayd loaded?
[02:53] <|trey|> PeaceableFrood: it really shouldn't...
[02:53] <smeggy> |trey|, can you access it if you browse to it with something like Nautilus?
[02:53] <smeggy> err
[02:53] <smeggy> *PeaceableFrood
[02:55] <PeaceableFrood> yes, but that still doesn't help me actually mounting it though a console to a folder
[02:55] <smeggy> No, just wondering if it works.
[02:55] <smeggy> What do you get when you try to load the smbfs module?
[02:55] <swim> |trey|: ok now its booting fine, but when I "startx" I get a grey screen with a cursor but nothing else... (not even gnome splash)
[02:55] <|trey|> PeaceableFrood: cat /boot/config-<uname -r> | grep SMBFS , tell me what it says
[02:55] <PeaceableFrood> it loads sucessfully
[02:55] <|trey|> swim: wait a while  :/
[02:56] <PeaceableFrood> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
[02:56] <swim> |trey|: its been about 4 mins now... it's in another console right now (im using irssi)
[02:56] <PeaceableFrood> my kernel version is 2.6.8.1-2-386 if your wondering
[02:57] <menator_> anyone know where I can install eclipse from
[03:00] <swim_> did I miss anything?
[03:00] <swim_> had to restart irssi
[03:01] <swim> I just used synaptic (select all upgradeable apply) then got someproblems screen went from X to console with errors then I manually reboot, and upon next boot I got a kernel panic, then I booted again, and it went fine, tried to "startx" and all I get is a grey screen with a cursor... doesnt change... help?
[03:01] <swim> Im typing from irssi now, unable to use X... 
[03:01] <swim> now Im lagging horribly... restarting...
[03:01] <swim_> anyone?
[03:01] <PeaceableFrood> does smbmount part of the samba package?
[03:01] <PeaceableFrood> is*
[03:02] <menator_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[03:02] <|trey|> PeaceableFrood: its part of smbclient I believe...
[03:02] <menator_> where is the ndiswrapper-utils package
[03:02] <menator_> I can't find it anywhere.
[03:02] <swim_> ...
[03:04] <swim_> ok I just tried starting "gdm" instead of 
[03:04] <swim_> "startx" and got a blue screen now with a cursor, but it still doesnt go anywhere... just stays there
[03:05] <menator_> I like how the howto states to install the package when its not there. Maybe I'm just missing something.
[03:08] <swim__> where is everyone? this is somewhat of a serious problem I need help with
[03:08] <phlaegel> menator_: the howto tells you where it is.
[03:08] <swim_> can I undo what synaptics->select all upgradeable->apply did?
[03:09] <|trey|> swim_: yes, its usually refered to as "reinstalling"
[03:09] <menator_> phlaegel: It just says to update your repository, I have main restricted universe set for my repository and its not there, or synaptic and apt-get can't see it.
[03:09] <phlaegel> I just searched for ndis in synaptic and it's there
[03:09] <swim__> |trey|: so am I screwed then? nothing else I can do to save this installation?
[03:10] <|trey|> swim_: let me mention just one time, Ubuntu is an unreleased distro... the software you are running is *beta* at _best_
[03:10] <menator_> phlaegel: what repositories do you have selected?
[03:10] <|trey|> eh, not really anymore... probably officially beta...
[03:10] <swim__> |trey|: I see
[03:10] <|trey|> still a month basically to fix bugs
[03:11] <swim__> what a waste of an entire day
[03:11] <|trey|> Actually almost 2.
[03:11] <|trey|> swim__: send off for a free CD, and wait till then to install  :)
[03:12] <swim__> no way, by then suse 9.2 will be out
[03:12] <phlaegel> menator_: the usual, main, universe, restricted.
[03:12] <|trey|> phlaegel: + multiverse
[03:13] <phlaegel> uh, no
[03:13] <BeingCS> hi, i'm trying to compile a kernel module, and used the command suggested on the support section (sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`) but got an error, saying that the pacakge couldn't be found; can anyone help?
[03:13] <swim__> well thats it for my relationship with ubuntu... it was wrought with troubles throught our week together
[03:15] <menator_> phlaegel: I even changed mirrors and cannot find it, are you just searching for ndiswrapper?
[03:15] <|trey|> swim__: at least file bug reports before you do, so your difficulties don't happen later?
[03:15] <|trey|> swim__: they won't fix themselves  :/
[03:16] <swim__> |trey|: maybe, but Ill have to go through a long process to get to a point where I can easily file bug reports, such as aquire another distro, install etc etc
[03:16] <swim__> right now this is all I have until monday
[03:17] <|trey|> I feel so sorry for him *goes to get another beer*
[03:18] <|trey|> I guess Ubuntu still isn't that great for people who don't know the system  :(
[03:19] <|trey|> s/never/rarely/  *taps on wood*
[03:19] <asdf_46> lol
[03:19] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: I think Ubuntu is great - except for k3b not working for me
[03:19] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: (Thats coming from a 7 year Mandrake usr
[03:19] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: k3b wasted 5 CD's for me in a row... I don't use burners that waste my CD  :/
[03:19] <jkg> it's weird, though, the only stuff I've felt I had to "know" was a weirdness with my hardware during the install (the pcmcia exclude ports 0x800-0x8ff thing). other than that I don't think I've edited a single config file or anything, under ubuntu, except uncommenting the universe stuff
[03:20] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: umm, thats not even possible... they were released in 98  :/
[03:20] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: It never gave me a problem in Mandrake
[03:20] <jkg> and wow, that was an even more disjointed sentence than I thought :)
[03:20] <kunal> my screen size isn't big enough
[03:20] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: sorry maybe 6
[03:21] <kunal> how to i resize it
[03:21] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: just making a point
[03:21] <|trey|> Point being you think lying is impressive?
[03:21] <kunal> my screen isnt filling the whole laptop display how do i resize it to fill the display?
[03:21] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: Do you actually work at being an ass, or is it n=more of a natural thing?
[03:22] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: first, but most important factor... Debian/Ubuntu, RedHat/Mandrake, RedHat/Fedora, these are all different in their own ways...
[03:22] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: duh
[03:23] <menator_> I'm still not seeing ndiswrapper in synaptic
[03:23] <jkg> kunal: mine autodetected properly, so I've not had to try, but I *guess* running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and answering the questions it asks would be a good start
[03:23] <|trey|> Debian/Ubuntu being the most different of all... so basically, forget everything you learned to with everything but commands... its like you're switching OS's again...
[03:23] <|trey|> You will learn to love it though because it is simply more logical.
[03:25] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: I already said I love it - Ubuntu has been install a few weeks now - absolutely 0 problems.
[03:25] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: so for instance, a good question to ask instead of "I am having difficulty with k3b", is "I need a good gtk based burner, can anyone recommend one"... gcombust would likely be brought up...
[03:25] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: does it burn DVDs?
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: I didnt think it did
[03:26] <jkg> |trey|: why? if someone likes and knows k3b, why should we deliberately steer them away from it?
[03:26] <jkg> just because it hasn't worked for you, that doesn't make it useless
[03:26] <menator_> anyone, do a search for ndiswrapper-utils in synaptic, is it there?
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> jkg: thankyou
[03:26] <|trey|> jkg: would you recommend Nero on linux using wine? no... same thing, both will run, neither will work...
[03:27] <|trey|> Both are pretty... both are useless to him currently
[03:27] <jkg> |trey|: oh is the k3b package actually broken then? fair enough
[03:27] <jkg> I didn't realise that
[03:28] <jkg> oh, and bugzilla doesn't either, as far as I can see
[03:28] <|trey|> jkg: its not supported, and the kde debian guys are here, so there not paying much attention to it really... 400+ kde bugs right now...
[03:28] <jkg> oh cut the "not supported" stuff already. being in universe doesn't make it off limits for this channel or something, does it?
[03:28] <|trey|> (calc and crimsun are kde maintainers)
[03:29] <menator_> where is ndiswrapper-utils
[03:29] <|trey|> jkg: would you use a product that the maintainers don't even care about?
[03:29] <jkg> |trey|: I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything.
[03:29] <|trey|> menator_: if someone knew, they would have told you by now, go look through a few good searches...
[03:29] <menator_> I have
[03:29] <jkg> are you saying the maintainers of k3b don't care about it or something?
[03:29] <|trey|> jkg: why would you install buggy software?
[03:30] <menator_> The howto says its there but its not.
[03:30] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: I just think that if you are not willing to try and help, you should not wast network buffers with useless comments.
[03:30] <jkg> |trey|: there is no software that isn't buggy.
[03:30] <|trey|> jkg: I'm saying the Debian packages of KDE are badly maintained... 400+ bugs is rediculous...
[03:30] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: like the one I am replying to right now?
[03:31] <|trey|> jkg: in comparison, gnome has about 40.
[03:31] <|trey|> thats 10 times the bugs.
[03:31] <jkg> well, gnome is clearly better, then
[03:31] <jkg> that's nice
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: Hey! your local! Want an ass kickin'?
[03:32] <jkg> menator_: have you uncommented the line mentioning "universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:32] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: you're... and I'm not apposed to it...
[03:32] <jkg> (there's probably some synaptic-only way to do this by I've no idea)
[03:32] <menator_> jkg: yeah, I've even tried different mirrors
[03:32] <jkg> and you've done "apt-get update" after making the change, right?
[03:33] <jkg> (sorry if that's a silly question...)
[03:33] <menator_> jkg: yeah
[03:33] <menator_> jkg: go take a look, I couldn't find it.
[03:33] <jkg> jkg@emerald ~ $ apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils
[03:33] <jkg> ndiswrapper-utils - User space tools for ndiswrapper
[03:34] <jkg> and I've nothing very exotic in sources.list really.
[03:34] <|trey|> jkg: you probably have universe at least  :/
[03:34] <jkg> |trey|: yes...
[03:34] <|trey|> He likely doesn't  :/
[03:35] <jkg> but he said above that he does. keep up at the back there...
[03:36] <menator_> main restricted universe 
[03:36] <menator_> thats whats in my sources
[03:36] <|trey|> jkg: I haven't been paying attention to him...
[03:36] <jkg> |trey|: oh, how helpful of you to comment despite that.
[03:36] <|trey|> ikr
[03:36] <menator_> apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils
[03:37] <menator_> that command doesn't give me anything.
[03:37] <jkg> menator_: what's the full line in sources.list?
[03:37] <jkg> it should be something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe"
[03:37] <menator_> jkg: apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils
[03:37] <menator_> sorry
[03:38] <menator_> jkg: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[03:38] <jkg> clipboard != primary selection :)
[03:38] <|trey|> menator_: wierd how everyone has it except you? apt-get update && apt-get install it
[03:38] <jkg> hrm. you have a / I don't have, but I'm not convinced that should matter.
[03:38] <jkg> still, try removing that, apt-get update and see if it helps...
[03:39] <|trey|> jkg: he would get errors if the dir didn't exist... he's not complaining of this...
[03:39] <menator_> jkg: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[03:39] <menator_> sorry again.
[03:39] <jkg> |trey|: I thought you weren't paying attention...
[03:39] <menator_> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils
[03:40] <jkg> menator_: weird. but the apt-get update proceeds without error?
[03:41] <menator_> jkg: it says Hit next to every line with the url next to it then says Reading Package List...Done Building dependency tree...Done
[03:42] <jkg> oh, it turns out ndiswrapper-utils is in main rather than universe anyway
[03:43] <|trey|> jkg: just noticed that, even less reason as to why he can't find it  :/
[03:43] <|trey|> menator_: arch? maybe its not supported on your arch yet? 
[03:43] <jkg> menator_: just out of interest, try something like "apt-cache search irssi-text" and see how many lines of output you get
[03:43] <menator_> ah, I am using x86_64
[03:43] <jkg> oh, I hadn't considered it might not be x86, that was careless :)
[03:44] <jkg> ahah.
[03:44] <jkg> so don't bother with my suggestion; I think it's probably just not supported on amd64 yet, by the sound of things.
[03:44] <menator_> I should still be able to use it though in 32bit mode.
[03:45] <|trey|> menator_: I can't think of anything else dude... EVERYONE else has it in main, you don't, you explain it...
[03:45] <jkg> right, but there may not be a suitable package or something.
[03:45] <menator_> is there a way to set my arch to x86?
[03:46] <jkg> |trey|: wow. you're a longterm debian user, right?
[03:46] <|trey|> jkg: 3+ years, yeah
[03:46] <menator_> I would rather have more software available then use utilize my 64 bitness.
[03:46] <jkg> |trey|: that explains the abrasiveness then ;)
[03:47] <goatboy_> menator_: reinstall.
[03:47] <|trey|> menator_: logically speaking, its in main, thus supported, thus should work everywhere...
[03:47] <jkg> I thought there was stuff in main that was only in main on some arches. did I imagine that bit?
[03:47] <menator_> goatboy_: I never had a change to select my arch in the install, how would I go about it then?
[03:48] <menator_> chance
[03:48] <goatboy_> menator_: grab the i386 install disc.
[03:48] <|trey|> jkg: hah, I suppose... frustrates me to see people not getting it  :(
[03:49] <menator_> goatboy_: can anyone tell me if eclipse is in the x86 main?
[03:49] <|trey|> menator_: I think its in universe... pretty sure its not in main though  :/
[03:50] <jkg> apt-cache search eclipse finds nothing here, even with universe.
[03:50] <Red_Menace> Ok, how do I add a floppy driver to my Ubuntu installation?  For some bizarre reason it doesn't have one.  When I try to mount it, I get an error that says 'special device /dev/fd0 does not exist'
[03:50] <|trey|> Hmm, someone should fix that, Eclipse is too popular to be missing  :/
[03:51] <jkg> what's eclipse? :)
[03:51] <|trey|> Red_Menace: whats the module for the floppy drive... if you don't know, get on google and figure it out...
[03:51] <menator_> I keep getting x11gtk2 errors when trying to install it manually.
[03:51] <Red_Menace> |trey| thanks
[03:52] <|trey|> jkg: hopefully you're kidding... but its an Integrated Developement Environment... basically a GUI meant to simplify programming  :)
[03:52] <jdub> eclipse is a hard one, due to java requirements
[03:52] <jkg> |trey|: oh, yet another IDE
[03:52] <jdub> if someone got it building with gcj in debian, that'd be great (if it isn't already done)
[03:53] <SamBozo> yea still don't have java going on here
[03:53] <|trey|> jdub: RH folks are working on it, can't use their code to make a .deb?
[03:53] <jdub> i'm sure "someone" could
[03:53] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: whats wrong with Sun's binaries?
[03:53] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: They work for me
[03:53] <|trey|> jdub: I was under the impression it didn't depend on closed source Java anymore  :(
[03:54] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: the license
[03:54] <jdub> it doesn't
[03:54] <jdub> if you build it with gcj
[03:54] <weirdisntit> hey how do u reconfigure X again
[03:54] <weirdisntit> dpkg-reconfigure xfree86?
[03:54] <|trey|> weirdisntit: close, xserver-xfree86 though
[03:55] <hazmat> ot, can anyone recommend a  good domain registrar?
[03:55] <|trey|> hazmat: how much of a reach do you want? dyndns works for me...
[03:56] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: Or you could use the sdk - if lisencing really bothers you
[03:56] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: thats still closed source  :/
[03:56] <hazmat> hmm.. i never considered dyndns.. its for a colo box with a perm ip.. but i guess they offer that as well
[03:56] <jkg> hazmat: I use black cat networks, but they're good rather than particularly cheap.
[03:57] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: whatever - it works and I didnt pay for it
[03:57] <jkg> it troubles me that your colo provider won't do registrar-fu for you :)
[03:57] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: cuz thats the most important thing, that it didn't cost anything </sarcasm>
[03:57] <weirdisntit> hey whats the thing to reconfigure X
[03:57] <SamBozo> I tried the blackdown ones that were recommended on the faq .. but there was always an error .. java or java2 -common I think it wass
[03:57] <weirdisntit> dpkg-reconfigure x?
[03:57] <weirdisntit> what is it?
[03:57] <weirdisntit> plz
[03:57] <|trey|> weirdisntit: I just told you, scroll up
[03:57] <jkg> weirdisntit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:57] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: no - most important is it works
[03:58] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: many things work... thats by far not the most important thing at all
[03:58] <hazmat> jkg, they let me run gentoo on the servers so i can't really complain ;-)
[03:58] <jkg> hazmat: they didn't even stop you running gentoo!?! run, run! <g,d&r>
[03:59] <hazmat> |trey|, thanks for the tip about dyndns, i'll think i use them, they support opensource in general (use python and come to oscon).
[03:59] <Phr0stByte> |trey|: whats important to you may not be to others. Whats more, others may not give a damn whats important to you.
[03:59] <Trevan> Good evening.  Does anyone here have experience in wrestling with Ubuntu + XFree + dual-head ATI cards?  I finally got the fglrx driver running, but I cannot get dual monitor support up and running.
[03:59] <jkg> right, 3am, should sleep. night.
[04:00] <|trey|> Phr0stByte: for the most part though, people that use Open Source do agree with what I am saying... there are technically better products, but thats not whats important...
[04:00] <menator_> SamBozo: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[04:00] <menator_> SamBozo: I used it to install java 5.
[04:00] <menator_> SamBozo: Couldn't get Eclipse to work though.
[04:01] <SamBozo> Phr0stByte, will the SDK also allow for java on web pages to play? I don't now but will sometime want to play with the creating of some java
[04:01] <Phr0stByte> Isn't there an open-source jave? Blackdown or somethin like that...
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: Yes it will
[04:02] <SamBozo> thanks menator_ looking
[04:02] <SamBozo> ok
[04:02] <jgeorgeson> i have a celeron M laptop (no speestep), is there any point to having powernowd installed/running?
[04:02] <Red_Menace> Ok, I can't mount floppy drives.   Says the block device does not exist.  I did a search in the Synaptic package manager for the word floppy.   Came up with fdutils package, which I apparently have installed.  Tried to search for a floppy module on google, but haven't been able to find anything.
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: I think you just may not have enabled java globaly if you installed java already
[04:03] <Phr0stByte> SamBozo: Or at least added a sim link to for it to work in your browser)
[04:04] <SamBozo> I forget what went wrong .. I got off on vmware and not it's working so java is next
[04:04] <SamBozo> not=now
[04:04] <Phr0stByte> ??????
[04:04] <SamBozo> I forget what went wrong .. I got off on vmware and NOW it's working so java is next
[04:05] <SamBozo> let me go look at what I had downloaded .. brb
[04:05] <Phr0stByte> ???????????
[04:05] <jgeorgeson> does powernowd do anything on intel CPUs without speedstep?
[04:07] <Red_Menace> I have an entry for /dev/fd0 in my /etc/fstab file, but I cannot mount anything
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> Red_Menace: /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:09] <Red_Menace> yah, it's there.  I don't get it
[04:13] <sivang> what's the package name for win32 codecs ?
[04:13] <jdub> w32codecs
[04:14] <sivang> jdub : apt-get can't find it, other suggestions?
[04:14] <jdub> you need marillat's repo
[04:14] <Phr0stByte> sivang: add a source to apt that does have it.
[04:14] <sivang> jdub : oh righty, it's so taken for granted on my sid that I forgot. thanks
[04:15] <jdub> sivang: it's not in sid...
[04:15] <Phr0stByte> sivang: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:16] <sivang> jdub : no, I have the deb source in sid..that what I meant :)
[04:16] <sivang> Phr0stByte : thanks
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> sivang: np
[04:17] <jsubl2> is there an amd64 repo for mplayer
[04:17] <Phr0stByte> jsubl2: I havnt seen one
[04:17] <Phr0stByte> jsubl2: But it should still wotk in 32bit mode
[04:18] <Phr0stByte> *work
[04:24] <Red_Menace> alright, so now that I have my floppy disk working ... I've been trying to create a boot disk to repair my WindowsXP partition.  I think the installation of Ubuntu has destroyed my XP partitions MBR.  But, it may be worse than that.  I can't seem to mount my WindowsXP boot partition, but I can mount other NTFS partitions.  ANyone know a good utility that I might be able to use to check out that partition?
[04:25] <LeeColleton> Red_Menace: knoppix
[04:26] <Red_Menace> LeeColleton: Isn't Knoppix a linux distro?
[04:27] <sivang> Red_Menace : it's more of a liveCD based on debian
[04:28] <sivang> Red_Menace : you could refer to it as a derived work.
[04:28] <Red_Menace> Ok, so how could that help me save my Windows partition?
[04:29] <Red_Menace> I'm tryin to figure out if Ubuntu corrupted my partition, or simply destroyed the MBR
[04:29] <CoolChEEzE> are their efl packages in one of the repos ?
[04:32] <Red_Menace> If the MBR on my WindowsXP partition was corrupted, I'd still be able to mount it into my filesystem, would I not?
[04:33] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, I believe MBR is per disk, not pre partition
[04:33] <jakemp> umm, I dont know my root password
[04:33] <jakemp> or how to find it
[04:33] <nitin> how do i set up ati 9700 pro
[04:33] <nitin> theres a website for it
[04:33] <nitin> the binaries
[04:33] <nitin> at wiki
[04:33] <jgeorgeson> jakemp, probably isn't set, just run 'sudo cmd'
[04:33] <nitin> anyone got a link
[04:34] <jgeorgeson> jakemp, there's also a menu entry Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal
[04:34] <Red_Menace> So my WindowsXP partition is probably screwed?
[04:34] <jakemp> but I cant use those without the root password
[04:35] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, i just meant you might be using confusing wording
[04:35] <nitin> hey
[04:35] <jgeorgeson> jakemp, yes you can, it's asking for your user password, not the root password
[04:35] <nitin> whow do i install ati 9700 pro
[04:35] <LeeColleton> Red_Menace: yes, ubuntu destroyed your MBR.  you can still boot windows with grub
[04:36] <LeeColleton> Red_Menace: more correctly, ubuntu replaced your MBR
[04:36] <Red_Menace> I try this mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb3 /Windows .... I get the message 'Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3 or too many mounted file systems
[04:36] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, windows won't boot if it's partition isn't marked active, that's one thing to check
[04:37] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, have you confirmed that you have an ntfs module (find /lib/modules/'uname -r' -name ntfs.*
[04:37] <Red_Menace> well, I was able to mount another ntfs partition
[04:39] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, if you do fdisk -l what does it say for /dev/hdb3 (what partitions come before it?)
[04:40] <Red_Menace>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[04:40] <Red_Menace> /dev/hdb1   *           1        1020     8193118+  83  Linux
[04:40] <Red_Menace> /dev/hdb2            1021        1275     2048287+  82  Linux swap
[04:40] <Red_Menace> /dev/hdb3            1276        8924    61440592+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:40] <Red_Menace> /dev/hdb4            8925       14945    48363682+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:40] <Red_Menace> /dev/hdb5            8925       14945    48363651    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:40] <jgeorgeson> nitin, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <jgeorgeson> the * means /dev/hdb1 is active, so if grub doesn't set /dev/hdb3 as active when trying to boot windows, it won't work
[04:41] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, not sure hy you can't mount it though
[04:41] <Red_Menace> I have makeactive in there
[04:42] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, one thing you could do is make a linux rescue floppy, boot the XP cd and restore the windows MBR, and then windows should try to boot and run it's own fs check tools
[04:42] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, once you have that worked out, use the linux boot floopy to boot ubuntu and re-install grub
[04:43] <Red_Menace> How do I make a rescue floppy?  Is there a util for that with Ubuntu?
[04:43] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, on the Win2k disk there is fixmbr and fixboot. check out mkboot
[04:45] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, do note, I've never used mkboot. The only times I've done what I'm talking about i've had red hat or fedora installed, and used their rescuecd iso image. so test that the disk will boot your linux install before doing anything
[04:45] <Red_Menace> yah
[04:45] <Red_Menace> for some reason my linux floppy drive has stopped working again .......
[04:46] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, man, you just can't win tonight, eh?
[04:46] <Red_Menace> No, I can't
[04:46] <nitin> i installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!
[04:46] <nitin> help!
[04:47] <Red_Menace> And I'm pretty sure my WindowsXP partition is hosed, which bugs the crap out of me.  The second linux distro that's done that to me.
[04:47] <jgeorgeson> just curious, why did you put the linux partitions before the windows partition? don't think i've eer seen anyone do that
[04:47] <jgeorgeson> i'm guessing you don't have partition magic? 
[04:48] <nitin> i installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!
[04:48] <Red_Menace> I think I did that a while back, when I was using an older version of Redhat for school.  They wanted us to use Lilo, and it couldn't see linux past a certain cylinder on the driver or something.
[04:48] <Red_Menace> driver = drive
[04:48] <nitin> guys
[04:48] <nitin> anyone?
[04:48] <jgeorgeson> ah, the dreaded frozen "LI" boot menu
[04:48] <nitin> i installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!
[04:49] <jgeorgeson> sorry nitin, I don't have any ATI cards, so I can't help beyond running google searches for your error message
[04:51] <Red_Menace> Ok, my floppy magically started mounting again ... how do I make a linux rescue disk?
[04:51] <nitin> i installed the fglrx-driver but it says fglrx driver not found when X starts!
[04:51] <nitin> help!
[04:51] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, check out the mkboot man page
[04:51] <Red_Menace> ok, thanks
[04:52] <jgeorgeson> nitin, try searching google for the exact error message
[04:53] <Red_Menace> sweet ... mkboot does not work on AMD64 systems
[04:53] <jgeorgeson> lol
[04:54] <Red_Menace> I am so screwed it's not even funny
[04:54] <jgeorgeson> jakemp, you get the sudo/root terminal stuff working?
[04:54] <jgeorgeson> Red_Menace, do you have a spare disk? maybe you could install windows on it and try to access hdb3 from tha
[04:55] <Red_Menace> Only other drive I have is a removable drive.  It has WindowsXP installed on it already, but it's configured for the computers at school.   I tried to boot it in safe mode on my machine, but it wouldn't work.
[04:57] <asdf_46> Does anyone have aac working with gstreamer?
[04:57] <Red_Menace> Maybe I'll try installing Windows over my linux partition, and if I can get my old Windows partition working, I can switch back to it, and try reinstalling Linux again
[04:58] <jgeorgeson> well, you could try using the ubuntu install cd to boot your existing install (like 'linux root=/dev/hdb1')
[04:58] <jgeorgeson> then you can do the windows fixboot/fixmbr thing from the install cd's repair console
[05:10] <jgeorgeson> any idea why nautilus gives a "you don't have permission to view this share" error when you try to browse a machine, even though smbclient -L at the command line will list all the shares?
[05:12] <punkass> if i was to guess, i would say that -L will allow u to see the shares but when u use nautilus you are trying to view in the shares
[05:13] <jgeorgeson> punkass, but I can access the shares in nautilus if I type in the full name (smb://server/share instead of browsing down from network://)
[05:14] <punkass> ah
[05:15] <punkass> sorry not really sure then
[05:15] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[05:15] <jgeorgeson> hi
[05:16] <PenguinBoy> brb
[05:16] <jgeorgeson> anyone familiar with the 'Connect to server' feature of Nautilus?
[05:17] <punkass> i have used it...but only over ssh
[05:18] <jgeorgeson> punkass, man. it looks like it works to mount my windows shares, but the desktop icon created doesn't seem to be browseable (Nautilus window never opens after being clicked, and no error message)
[05:18] <punkass> actually i did have windows shares mounted.
[05:19] <punkass> but it never created a desktop icon for me
[05:19] <punkass> just one under Networks
[05:19] <jgeorgeson> hm, i don't think i got one there
[05:19] <jakemp> jgeorgeson, yes
[05:19] <jakemp> I got it working
[05:19] <jakemp> kinda fell asleep there for a minute
[05:19] <tophfisher> punkass: does it really mount the shares? Or is it like a gnome-vfs virtual thing?
[05:20] <punkass> i think its a virtual thing
[05:20] <punkass> cuz i could never find where they were mounted
[05:20] <jgeorgeson> punkass, i noticed that too. 
[05:20] <punkass> but it works well...they show up in file dialog boxes etc
[05:21] <tophfisher> Thats all I really care about, being able to open files and save files
[05:22] <jgeorgeson> punkass, hm, it's showing up in Network now, still doesn't seem to be browseable though
[05:22] <punkass> you run into problems with openoffice tho cuz it uses its own dialog boxes...kinda a pain
[05:22] <punkass> same with xmms
[05:24] <tophfisher> punkass: I dunno if ubuntu can use it, but Ximain makes a version of OpenOffice that uses the Gnome Open/save/print dialog boxes
[05:25] <jgeorgeson> hey! it's working, rhythmbox is even importing the songs from it!
[05:25] <punkass> thatd be nice...i did here someone on here talking about submitting patches to openoffice for ubuntu...so maybe it will happen on next release
[05:25] <punkass> jgeorgeson: good to hear :)
[05:25] <jgeorgeson> maybe. it says 'loading songs...' but none of them are getting listed yet
[05:25] <punkass> lol
[05:26] <bitserf> something i'd like is the ability to add user-defined hotplug devices to that preferences page where you can set the app to use when something is inserted....so i can plug in ipod and gtkpod launches
[05:26] <tophfisher> I hope it does, I just installed Ubuntu today for the first time... I like what I see
[05:26] <punkass> yeah its pretty slick..i am happy with it
[05:26] <jgeorgeson> i'm using my 802.11b, i've noticed rhythm box imports really slow with that nic. 
[05:27] <ushooz> I too am a fresh user of ubuntu
[05:27] <ushooz> trying to figure out how to burn a iso :)
[05:27] <ushooz> os g4u
[05:27] <ushooz> of
[05:27] <punkass> ushooz: right click on the iso and goto Write to CD
[05:28] <nitin_> anyone know how to set up my radeon 9700 pro
[05:28] <jgeorgeson> ushooz, nautilus-cd-burner <iso>
[05:28] <ushooz> so I can back up my SUSE install and give ubuntu a shot on the laptop
[05:28] <jakemp> bash: gcc: command not found
[05:28] <jakemp> :O
[05:28] <nitin_> i followed the binary instructions but the fglrx drive isnt installed!
[05:28] <ushooz> it is not dectecting my burner :(
[05:28] <tophfisher> ushooz: Also, you can install K3b, a really nice CD burning app... You might have to add the unversial apt source.
[05:28] <punkass> nitin_: i believe there is a how to in the wiki
[05:28] <nitin_> i know
[05:28] <ushooz> never mind
[05:28] <nitin_> i followed it
[05:28] <ushooz> it is now
[05:28] <nitin_> but when i modprobe fglrx it says cant find
[05:28] <punkass> the nautilius iso tool is pretty slick
[05:29] <nitin_> so even tho i install fglrx-driver it doenst install the module
[05:29] <nitin_> !
[05:29] <ushooz> early today it was not, I just did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade and have not tried to burn the CD since
[05:29] <nitin_> heeeelp
[05:29] <jgeorgeson> nitin_, can you confirm the package was installed with dpkg -l <pkg>
[05:29] <punkass> well its almost none existent but it works well
[05:29] <ushooz> k3b is a great app. Use it on my SuSE install
[05:29] <tophfisher> Yeah
[05:29] <nitin_> it says it is
[05:29] <ushooz> but i would prefer sticking with GNOME 
[05:29] <tophfisher> Yeah, me too
[05:30] <ushooz> I loved Ximian gnome on RH
[05:30] <ushooz> and love Dropline Gnome
[05:30] <jgeorgeson> rhythmbox ... still loading (i only tried to import one album, me thinks something is wrong)
[05:30] <tophfisher> I liked that a lot too, although, it is good stuff on SuSE now too
[05:30] <ushooz> I tweaked my SUSE box enough with KDE that it is pretty good too
[05:31] <tophfisher> I have not heard anything on Ximain Desktop 3, have you?
[05:31] <nitin_> help
[05:31] <nitin_> :(
[05:31] <ushooz> I have not either
[05:31] <tophfisher> nitin, what up?
[05:31] <jgeorgeson> what about dpkg -L to list the contents to see if the module is there
[05:31] <ushooz> I think they are going to role Ximain into Novell Desktop
[05:31] <nitin_> i followed instructions to install fglrx-driver in wiki
[05:31] <tophfisher> Yeah, I will check that out
[05:31] <nitin_> and it doesnt wok
[05:31] <nitin_> work
[05:31] <nitin_> X says fglrx module not found
[05:32] <nitin_> so even tho it installs it doesnt install the module
[05:32] <nitin_> wtf
[05:32] <tophfisher> Hmm, I do not have ati card my self, cuz it is a pain with Linux... Have you checked the ubuntu mailing list?
[05:32] <nitin_> nop
[05:32] <punkass> nitin_:do a lsmod and look for fglrx
[05:32] <nitin_> it cant even f i n d the module
[05:32] <nitin_> theres no way it cna load it
[05:32] <jgeorgeson> w00t! rhythmbox finished loading. this is sweet, even though it's dog slow
[05:33] <ushooz> nitin_, I still had to run fglrxconfig after my install to get my ATI card to run in with GL
[05:33] <ushooz> I rolled back to the generic Radeon driver though
[05:33] <punkass> that is odd, i can load a pile of albums in about 20secs
[05:33] <ushooz> Linux my mobo and my 9700 Pro never have liked each other
[05:33] <calc> tophfisher: NLD will be out soon, which will probably be equivalent to a XD3
[05:33] <tophfisher> Oh yeah, you do have to run fglrxconfig
[05:34] <tophfisher> hmm.
[05:34] <jgeorgeson> punkass, i mean the samba share is dog slow. especially over my wifi. if i use an ethernet i can load cloase to 3k songs in a couple of minutes
[05:35] <punkass> ah..funny that wifi would be slower
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> punkass, just curious, do you know what punk originally meant?
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> well, 11 mbps vs 100 mbps. 
[05:36] <ushooz> anybody have the d3a icon theme? I can not seem to get it from gnome-look.org the last few days :(
[05:36] <punkass>    1. Dry decayed wood, used as tinder.
[05:36] <punkass>    2. Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks.
[05:36] <punkass>    3. Chinese incense.
[05:37] <tophfisher> ushooz: I did, but I wiped my system to load Ubuntu
[05:37] <ushooz> bummer
[05:37] <jgeorgeson> never heard those before, i always saw 'young, inexperienced male [gay]  prostitute'
[05:37] <punkass> lol
[05:38] <punkass> maybe in the "urban" dictionary
[05:38] <punkass> adj. Slang:  # Of poor quality; worthless.
[05:38] <punkass> # Weak in spirits or health
[05:38] <jgeorgeson> i know someone who got punk tatooed in tribal lettering and i just have to laugh every time i see it
[05:38] <punkass> ;p;
[05:38] <jgeorgeson> no, meriam-websters i think, something of that caliber is where i looked it up
[05:38] <punkass> lol
[05:38] <punkass> i just looked at dictionary.com
[05:39] <punkass> oh there is more, hahaha
[05:39] <punkass>    3.
[05:39] <punkass>          1. Slang. A young man who is the sexual partner of an older man.
[05:39] <punkass>          2. Archaic. A prostitute.
[05:39] <jgeorgeson> yeah, that's the one
[05:39] <punkass> haha 
[05:40] <jgeorgeson> not there's anything wrong with that
[05:40] <punkass> well its also:  2. A fungus (Polyporus fomentarius, etc.)
[05:40] <tophfisher> So ubuntu does not have a message board? Just the mailing list huh?
[05:40] <punkass> they are working on a forum
[05:40] <jgeorgeson> tophfisher, for the moment
[05:40] <tophfisher> Thats cool
[05:41] <tophfisher> Any one have info on how ubuntu plans to make money? I read they are funded... Whats their plan for a return on their investment?
[05:41] <jgeorgeson> i've noticed my laptop is considerably quieter under ubunut than winxp or suse
[05:42] <punkass> i believe they are going to start up support for ubuntu
[05:42] <punkass> official "paid for" support that is
[05:42] <punkass> jgeorgeson: the laptop i installed it on, doesnt seem to every sleep or spindown the drive
[05:43] <tophfisher> Hmmm.. I hope that is enough to make them money
[05:43] <jgeorgeson> punkass, can yours successfully go to s3 or s4 suspend (and back)?
[05:43] <punkass> i dont know how to set that.
[05:44] <jgeorgeson> punkass, if you cat /proc/power/state you'll see what suspend modes are supported (mem == s3, disk == s4)
[05:45] <jgeorgeson> s3 == standby in windows (suspend to ram), and s4 == hibernate (suspend to disk)
[05:45] <jgeorgeson> you enter those states with echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state
[05:45] <tophfisher> punkass: I _JUST_ read a thread about this in the ubuntu mailing list, kinda funny, they had them same talk.. A couple of people could not suspend becuz of the USB controller.
[05:46] <jgeorgeson> i can ener s3, but on resume the machine powers down
[05:46] <jgeorgeson> i think s4 needs the swsusp stuff, which is included in the 2.6 kernel sources, but ubuntu doesn't have compiled
[05:47] <jgeorgeson> i wonder if he just went into s3
[05:47] <tophfisher> I think so.. hehe
[05:48] <tophfisher> So I guess it worked/
[05:48] <tophfisher> ?
[05:48] <jgeorgeson> tried to describe it enough thathe wouldn't accidentally do that
[05:48] <jgeorgeson> s3 work?
[05:49] <tophfisher> Time to go play!
[05:51] <punkass> sorry i missed all of it
[05:51] <punkass> a stream of messages went across the screen
[05:54] <jgeorgeson> all the suspend talk?
[05:56] <pepsi> suip
[05:56] <pepsi> sup even
[05:57] <jgeorgeson> hi
[05:57] <punkass> sorry yeah...i walked out the room for a min, then when i came back it was a pile of disconnect/reconnet msgs
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> punkass, heh, we figured you had succesfully tired to suspend
[05:58] <punkass> no the laptop isnt here right now
[05:59] <jgeorgeson> i think i'm about done for the even. c'ya
[06:04] <Paleon> I'm looking for help in tleliing Ubuntu tha my DVD/CD-RW drive is not a CD-drive so I can watch DVDs.
[06:04] <Paleon> any ideas?
[06:05] <punkass> are u sure u just dont need the libdvdcss file?
[06:06] <punkass> that is required to play dvds
[06:08] <Paleon> checking....
[06:08] <luisg> hello everyone
[06:08] <luisg> I just installed ubuntu
[06:08] <luisg> really nice and up to date
[06:08] <Paleon> thanks.  That fixed it.
[06:08] <punkass> Paleon: it does not come with ubuntu, (for legal reasons)
[06:09] <Paleon> bye
[06:09] <punkass> good stuff.. :)
[06:09] <luisg> so to download packages I would just do apt-get?
[06:09] <punkass> cya
[06:09] <punkass> you can use synaptic if u want a GUI interface
[06:09] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Synaptic
[06:09] <luisg> ?
[06:09] <luisg> ok guess so bye all
[06:13] <pepsi> im having problems with rhythmbox.. i took out the oss drivers, leaving alsa, and set gstreamer to use also with gstreamer-properties
[06:13] <pepsi> but rhythmbox only works as root
[06:13] <pepsi> and the group on all the dev files is audio
[06:13] <pepsi> and i am in the audio group
[06:14] <crimsun> did you just add yourself to the audio group and thus haven't logged out and back in yet?
[06:14] <pepsi> no
[06:14] <crimsun> so gst is set to use alsa?
[06:15] <pepsi> yup
[06:15] <crimsun> is another dev grabbing the 'default' alsa device?
[06:15] <crimsun> (like esd)
[06:15] <bur[n] er> anyone have issues with gnome's networking not working with windows samba shares?
[06:15] <pepsi> maybe
[06:15] <bur[n] er> smb://pc doesn't work, but smb://pc/myshare works
[06:15] <crimsun> because as of a couple days ago, the default sink for gst was changed to esd
[06:15] <pepsi> esd is running
[06:15] <crimsun> kill esd
[06:16] <crimsun> then try running rhythmbox
[06:16] <pepsi> same thing.. it runs but i get "could not create audio output element; check your settings"
[06:18] <crimsun> hmm
[06:18] <pepsi> it just reaks of a permissions thing, but all the dev files look ok
[06:18] <pepsi> cause it works find as root
[06:18] <crimsun> can you play anything from a console player like ogg123?
[06:19] <pepsi> havent tried
[06:19] <pepsi> lemme find an ogg file
[06:19] <crimsun> for ogg123, make sure libao is set to use alsa09
[06:19] <crimsun> then use ogg123 to play an ogg file (vorbis or flac)
[06:20] <pepsi> how do i set libao for alsa09?
[06:20] <crimsun> do you have an /etc/libao.conf?
[06:20] <crimsun> [crimsun@opeth ~] % cat /etc/libao.conf
[06:20] <crimsun> default_driver=alsa09
[06:20] <pepsi> why yes i do, and its set to oss ;)
[06:21] <pepsi> that works
[06:22] <crimsun> using alsa09?
[06:22] <crimsun> or oss
[06:22] <pepsi> yes, using alsa90
[06:22] <pepsi> 09
[06:22] <crimsun> k
[06:22] <crimsun> then it's not a permissions error
[06:22] <crimsun> something odd in gst
[06:22] <pepsi> fun
[06:23] <crimsun> need to ssh to my ubuntu box
[06:24] <pepsi> ooo
[06:24] <pepsi> pepsi@violet:~ $ rhythmbox
[06:24] <pepsi> DEBUG: gstgconf: error parsing pipeline esdsink
[06:24] <pepsi> no element "esdsink"
[06:24] <pepsi> ** (rhythmbox:4911): WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and osssink doesn't work
[06:24] <pepsi> Got error opening "http://sc1.magnatune.com:8006/": Could not create audio output element; check your settings
[06:25] <pepsi> that makes sense
[06:25] <crimsun> yeah, it was switched from osssink a couple days ago
[06:25] <crimsun> it's in the changelog.Debian.gz
[06:25] <pepsi> how do i make it use alsasink?
[06:26] <crimsun> should be able to set it using gstreamer-properties
[06:26] <crimsun> (didn't you already do that?)
[06:26] <pepsi> yes
[06:26] <pepsi> and gstreamer-properties says alsasink
[06:26] <crimsun> k sec
[06:28] <crimsun> dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-tools|grep ^ii
[06:31] <pepsi> ii  gstreamer0.8-t 0.8.5-1        Tools for use with GStreamer
[06:34] <crimsun> k
[06:35] <pepsi> /etc/gconf/schemas/gstreamer-0.8.schemas
[06:35] <pepsi>     <owner>gstreamer</owner>
[06:35] <pepsi>       <type>string</type>
[06:35] <pepsi>       <default>esdsink</default>
[06:35] <pepsi> i dunno what the file is
[06:35] <pepsi> heh
[06:36] <pepsi> should i change that though?
[06:36] <crimsun> change <default>esdsink</default> to <default>alsasink</default>
[06:36] <pepsi> k
[06:36] <crimsun> you may have to log out and back in
[06:36] <pepsi> what is that file?
[06:36] <pepsi> and all of the files in gconf
[06:36] <crimsun> they're configuration files written in XML formatting
[06:37] <pepsi> so i can dork around with those files if i need to? for future reference
[06:37] <crimsun> if you must, yep
[06:37] <crimsun> there's a gconf editor, too
[06:38] <pepsi> oo look at that
[06:38] <pepsi> thx :D
[06:38] <crimsun> np
[06:39] <pepsi> it didnt work, but ill try relogging in
[06:39] <pepsi> brb
[06:40] <pepsi> hmf
[06:42] <crimsun> ok, try this:
[06:42] <crimsun> gst-launch filesrc location=somefile.ogg ! spider ! alsasink
[06:43] <pepsi> music
[06:43] <pepsi> rhythmbox still says its trying to use esdsink
[06:43] <pepsi> WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and osssink doesn't work
[06:43] <pepsi> thats weird though
[06:44] <crimsun> hmm
[06:45] <crimsun> did you edit <default>esdsink</default> ?
[06:45] <pepsi> yeah
[06:45] <pepsi> to alsasink
[06:45] <pepsi> it claims it doesnt exist at all though
[06:45] <pepsi> .. thats how i interpret that message
[06:47] <crimsun> i'm personally not intimately familiar w/ gconf; it's possible you may need to kill gnome-setting-demon and restart it
[06:47] <crimsun> there may be some other gconf* app that needs to be restartei
[06:47] <crimsun> restarted
[06:48] <pepsi> ok
[06:54] <pepsi> works now.. i restarted the whole computer and it didnt work, then i ran gconf-editor as myself and i saw esdsink@$%@%
[06:54] <pepsi> i changed it as root though
[06:54] <pepsi> what the hell is that
[06:55] <pepsi> i ran it gconf-editor as root before
[06:55] <pepsi> but that makes no sense to me why it wouldnt work like that..
[06:55] <crimsun> oh, sorry, i should have been more clear
[06:55] <crimsun> gconf settings are per-$USER
[06:55] <pepsi> oh fun
[06:56] <pepsi> thanks
[06:56] <crimsun> and personal settings override the system-wide ones in /etc/gconf/schemas/gstreamer-0.8.schemas
[06:56] <pepsi> oh ok, so i just changed the system-wide defaults as root
[06:56] <pepsi> or rather when i edited the file myself
[06:56] <jdub> no, you probably changed the root user's setting :)
[06:57] <pepsi> root's settings appeared to have been changed when i edited the file by hand
[06:58] <pepsi> im glad this works now... been working on getting sound working all week
[06:59] <crimsun> :)
[07:00] <pepsi> hell yeah man.. thanks alot :D
[07:00] <crimsun> anytime
[07:01] <punkass> well crimsun: i resorted to win98 on that old 166
[07:01] <crimsun> d'oh
[07:02] <crimsun> ;)
[07:02] <punkass> i tried rox, icewm, xfce, etc
[07:02] <punkass> but 98 runs the smoothest on it
[07:02] <crimsun> yeah, X dogs on that kinda hardware configuration
[07:02] <punkass> yeah.
[07:03] <Ash> i'm needing to get mono installed; what's the best way to do that with ubuntu?
[07:03] <pepsi> synaptic?
[07:04] <Ash> oh, is it just in there?
[07:04] <Ash> heh
[07:05] <pepsi> looks like it
[07:05] <Ash> ah yeah
[07:05] <Ash> there it is
[07:05] <Ash> thanks
[07:06] <pepsi> np
[07:19] <cybrjackle_> ah, doom3 installer is out :)
[07:20] <Qo-noS> where?
[07:20] <cybrjackle_> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/liflg/doom3_1.1.1282-multilanguage.run?download
[07:20] <Qo-noS> aha thanks :)
[07:20] <LeeColleton> Firefox 0.10.1 segfaults when I try to load http://www.georgebush.com (even when viewed in google's cache).  Has anyone noticed this?
[07:20] <cybrjackle_> looks like it was out the 6th, i'm a little slow, or been busy :)
[07:21] <cybrjackle_> LeeColleton, i can get to it fine
[07:21] <LeeColleton> cybrjackle_: which version of firefox are you running?
[07:21] <cybrjackle_> 1.0 pre
[07:22] <cybrjackle_> latest in ubuntu repo anyways
[07:22] <crimsun> works fine on 0.10.1 for me
[07:22] <Qo-noS> LeeColleton: NO probs here either version 0.10.1+1.0PR-1
[07:23] <punkass> does that installer allow u to run doom3 on linux?
[07:23] <cybrjackle_> punkass, why else would i post it :)
[07:23] <cybrjackle_> you don't need an installer in windows do you?
[07:23] <punkass> well i just seemed to simple :)
[07:23] <cybrjackle_> lol
[07:23] <punkass> i = it
[07:24] <punkass> i thought u would need wine or cedega or something
[07:24] <cybrjackle_> no, idsoft is fairly cool about porting to linux
[07:24] <punkass> cool
[07:25] <cybrjackle_> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom
[07:25] <cybrjackle_> you can also check that out
[07:25] <cybrjackle_> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/
[07:25] <cybrjackle_> thats the regular installer, the first one i posted was a gui one someone made up
[07:26] <punkass> ah
[07:26] <punkass> thanks
[07:26] <cybrjackle_> np
[07:30] <calc> zerowing, hehe
[07:30] <whiprush> doom3 works great here on ubuntu
[07:30] <dewey> hello
[07:32] <whiprush> it runs surprisingly well on older hardware
[07:33] <crimsun> matrox mga running on a p166 w/ 32 MB RAM?
[07:33] <crimsun> :)
[07:33] <whiprush> yeesh
[07:34] <cybrjackle_> crimsun, prolly not :)
[07:34] <calc> i have older hardware that should run it
[07:34] <crimsun> heh, i barely got ubuntu installed on it
[07:35] <Micksa> crimsun: GET THAT ANCIENT THING UPGRADED BEFORE YOU ARE ALIENATED BY SOCIETY
[07:35] <crimsun> i enjoy that p166 thank you very much!
[07:35] <calc> crimsun: get a athlon64 3800 939 :)
[07:35] <cybrjackle_> my Dual Xeon 2.8 and FX 5700 ultra runs it pretty good, not sure why yours wont crimsun?
[07:35] <calc> that should run doom3 decently
[07:36] <crimsun> cybrjackle_: well the power cable on my dual xeon 2.8 and fx 5700 is disconnected
[07:36] <Qo-noS> Micksa: heh
[07:36] <bur[n] er> eh, too loud anyway
[07:37] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with firefox 1.0 preview and its plugin installation?
[07:37] <cybrjackle_> bur[n] er, a lot of plugins are pretty easy
[07:38] <bur[n] er> well... i get the missing plugin thing... i click install plugin, it downloads... says it installs, reloads the page, i get prompted again to install
[07:38] <bur[n] er> i'm thinking a permission thing... i'm gonna run firefox as root first 
[07:39] <bur[n] er> but i'm not sure if that'll do it
[07:39] <cybrjackle_> that shouldn't matter
[07:39] <cybrjackle_> what pluging
[07:39] <cybrjackle_> plugin
[07:39] <bur[n] er> flash
[07:39] <bur[n] er> i ran as root to no avail
[07:39] <bur[n] er> i think it's my firefox install that's messed up... permissions on .firefox mayb?
[07:41] <Q-> hi
[07:41] <cybrjackle_> i don't think your permisions would mess up on firefox
[07:41] <calc> is it possible to make sleep work on ubuntu?
[07:41] <cybrjackle_> have you updated it and not closed it out
[07:42] <bur[n] er> not closed it out?
[07:42] <bur[n] er> i close firefox...
[07:42] <cybrjackle_> updated firefox through apt and closed it out
[07:42] <cybrjackle_> ok
[07:42] <bur[n] er> then open it again to the page with flash
[07:43] <bur[n] er> i honestly have no idea what to do about it
[07:45] <cybrjackle_> ls ~/.mozilla/plugins
[07:46] <cybrjackle_> or
[07:46] <cybrjackle_> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree 
[07:46] <cybrjackle_> and see were that gets you
[07:48] <calc> clee: any ideas?
[07:48] <menator_> why does flash require ruby?
[07:49] <bur[n] er> any idea how to get the plugin installation builtin to firefox to work cybrjackle_ ?
[07:49] <menator_> have you tried using firefox's builtin plugin manager?
[07:49] <clee> huh?
[07:50] <calc> clee: wrt how to get sleep to work on laptops
[07:50] <cybrjackle_> bur[n] er, what do you get back from "ls ~/.mozilla/plugins"
[07:51] <menator_> clee: hold up let me see if I can find the extension.
[07:52] <bur[n] er> cybrjackle_: no such dir
[07:52] <bur[n] er> i have .firefox/plugins
[07:52] <bur[n] er> but nothing in there either
[07:53] <menator_> clee: I think it only works in mozilla, not in firefox
[07:53] <cybrjackle_> bur[n] er, do you have bookmarks or anything in your firefox that is important?
[07:53] <bur[n] er> nah
[07:53] <bur[n] er> nothing i can't recreate
[07:54] <bur[n] er> you thinking rm -rf .firefox?
[07:54] <cybrjackle_> as your user "rm -fr .firefox
[07:54] <cybrjackle_> yeah
[07:54] <cybrjackle_> and then fire it up again
[07:54] <cybrjackle_> try going to nvidia.com
[07:54] <bur[n] er> ooh
[07:54] <bur[n] er> i have the plugins there
[07:54] <bur[n] er> they just don't load :\
[07:54] <cybrjackle_> they always have a flash need ;)
[07:54] <bur[n] er> cartoonnetwork.com has been my flash tester ;)
[07:56] <bur[n] er> flashplayer.xpt
[07:56] <bur[n] er> libflashplayer.so
[07:56] <bur[n] er> those files are in my plugins folder, but they don't seem to be doing anything?
[07:57] <cybrjackle_> hum
[07:57] <cybrjackle_> did you already do the rm -fr .firefox
[07:57] <bur[n] er> nope
[07:58] <cybrjackle_> try it then
[07:58] <cybrjackle_> close out of firefox and rm it
[07:58] <cybrjackle_> fire it backup
[07:59] <bur[n] er> i'm gonna do a dpkg-reconfigure on it for kicks too
[07:59] <cybrjackle_> k
[08:01] <menator_> l
[08:04] <bur[n] er> Segmentation fault
[08:04] <bur[n] er> so... flash installed, page reloaded.. started to load flash, and segfault :\
[08:04] <bur[n] er> oh well
[08:05] <bur[n] er> anytime i leave a website that has flash... firefox dies
[08:17] <miichael> question. how do i get my windows disk to show
[08:29] <RedMenace> for some reason fdisk will not work on my computer.   says the command is found, but I have the util-linux package installed
[08:29] <Lathiat_> miichael: is it ntfs or fat32?
[08:30] <Lathiat_> RedMenace: try cfdisk
[08:30] <RedMenace> not found
[08:30] <Lathiat_> RedMenace: just be careful if you break somethign its notmy fault :)
[08:30] <Lathiat_> hmm
[08:30] <Lathiat_> apt-get install it
[08:30] <RedMenace> I tried.   says to install util-linux, which is already installed
[08:30] <miichael> ntfs
[08:31] <Lathiat_> miichael: did you want to write to it?
[08:31] <Lathiat_> or just read it
[08:31] <miichael> read
[08:31] <Lathiat_> ok well if you add to /etc/fstab
[08:32] <Lathiat_> . /dev/hdaX / ntfs uid=1000 0 0
[08:32] <bborkk> Anyone know how to disable the listing of 'recent documents' in Computer->Recent Documents?
[08:32] <Lathiat_> where hdaX is your windows partition
[08:32] <Lathiat_> bborkk: opening files you shouldnt be? :)
[08:32] <bborkk> Someone else is. :)
[08:32] <jdub> bborkk: you can't directly, but you could create a .recent-files file and make it non-read/write-able
[08:33] <bborkk> It would be nice if Ubuntu came with a Paranoid option.
[08:34] <Lathiat_> heh
[08:34] <Lathiat_> jdub: does the hal in ubuntu only pick up removable devices?
[08:35] <miichael> 2nd thing. i can not get my sound to work
[08:35] <bborkk> jdub: You mean .recently-used, I think.
[08:35] <Lathiat_> miichael: You tried to configure it already and it failed or don't know how or?
[08:35] <RedMenace> With Synaptic ... what's the difference between restricted, restricted universe and security repositories?
[08:35] <miichael> dont know how
[08:37] <miichael> it keeps tryin to run off my onboard sound and not my soundblaster
[08:40] <miichael> in suse i was able to switch the soundblaster to snd0 and the onboard to snd1
[08:40] <Lathiat_> miichael: ah
[08:42] <Lathiat_> i guess a hack would be to manually load the module for yoru sound blaster from /etc/modules, i dont have a working alsa setup to figure out what to change to swap them arounhd properly sorry
[08:42] <Lathiat_> someone else might know butit seems quiet atm
[08:43] <crimsun> which two ALSA driver modules are you using?
[08:43] <crimsun> pass index=0 to the first card you wish to use and index=1 to the second
[08:47] <Lathiat_> crimsun: does the installer add them to /etc/modules ?
[08:47] <Lathiat_> the oss driver is a bit FITH too but at least it works
[08:49] <joolz> everything looks fine, sound, display, touchpad
[08:49] <joolz> niiice
[08:50] <crimsun> Lathiat_: no the installer doesn't add the index options
[08:50] <joolz> something I don't really like is that when you dualboot via grub, you have to press esc to choose something other than the default
[08:50] <joolz> and you have to do it fast too :)
[08:51] <Lathiat_> crimsun: i mean the modules im nottalking about the index options :)
[08:51] <Lathiat_> joolz: thats probably an option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:52] <RedMenace> joolz: you can change that by editing /boot/grub/menu.1st
[08:52] <crimsun> Lathiat_: i don't know the new behaviour. I believe hotplug handles that now.
[08:52] <joolz> Lathiat_: I know, but someone new with linux wouldn't
[08:52] <RedMenace> comment out the line, 'hiddenmenu'
[08:52] <Lathiat_> joolz: rightio
[08:52] <joolz> so I don't see it as an error, but could be more userfriendly
[08:52] <Lathiat_> but ubuntu is designed to take over your whole computer see ;)
[08:52] <RedMenace> and change the line 'timeout 3' to something like 'timeout 6'
[08:53] <joolz> resistance is futile :)
[08:53] <Lathiat_> joolz: if your notdual booting its more user friendly to be look this, imho
[08:53] <Lathiat_> cus if you see a menu you think you have to do something
[08:53] <RedMenace> lathiat_: true
[08:53] <joolz> fc defaults to e menu with a timeout. imo that's more clear
[08:54] <hazmat> whats the apt url for debian unstable?
[08:54] <RedMenace> I'm just tryin to get my system to Dual boot with Windows at all ... so far I've had my WindowsXP partition corrupted and destroyed.  Good start.
[08:54] <hazmat> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ ?
[08:55] <crimsun> what sort of apt url?
[08:55] <joolz> Also it would be nice if the installer would do an updatedb right away
[08:55] <crimsun> that's unwise imo
[08:56] <joolz> crimsun: how's that?
[08:56] <crimsun> perhaps ask the user after the first reboot so it might run in the background
[08:56] <LeeColleton> joolz: that is too much of a load for some systems
[08:56] <hazmat> crimsun, the url for debian unstable
[08:56] <joolz> LeeColleton: oh... OK, sounds fait
[08:56] <hazmat> i want to pull in the mono packages to rebuild for ppc
[08:56] <joolz> fair
[08:56] <crimsun> hazmat: why not use tseng's debs?
[08:56] <hazmat> because their x86 binary
[08:57] <hazmat> and i'm on ppc
[08:57] <crimsun> hazmat: use his deb-src line
[08:57] <crimsun> (presuming he has one)
[08:57] <hazmat> unfortunately not
[08:57] <crimsun> best to ask him for his diff.gzs
[08:57] <crimsun> then apply them against his orig.tar.gzs
[08:58] <hazmat>  their just from debian unstable rebuilt
[08:58] <crimsun> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
[08:58] <hazmat> cool thanks
[08:58] <crimsun> but be aware that you have to be comfortable with apt-pinning if you wish to use the deb line
[08:58] <hazmat> i'm just going to fetch them, and remove it
[08:58] <crimsun> ok.
[08:59] <crimsun> i have a mixed sid>ubuntu system atm
[08:59] <crimsun> it'll be completely ubuntu in about two months
[08:59] <hazmat> i'm a debian newb.. so i'd rather not chance pain and suffering..
[08:59] <crimsun> lots of /etc/apt/preferences fun ;)
[08:59] <hazmat> of course i'm trying to rebuild my kernel at the moment.. oh well.. too late ;-)
[09:00] <hazmat> robert love put out a patch for inotify and the ubuntu kernel
[09:00] <RedMenace> Anyone having problems dual booting with WinXP from one drive?
[09:01] <crimsun> hazmat: at the most i'd file a wishlist bugzilla entry against the kernel(s)
[09:01] <joolz> RedMenace: don't know about xp, but i just installed dualboot with win2k. No problems whatsoever
[09:01] <hazmat> its not stable enough to go into mainstream..
[09:01] <crimsun> correct
[09:02] <hazmat> and the only real use for it at the moment outside of developing one's own programs is beagle.
[09:02] <RedMenace> joolz: Can you show me your grub entry to boot Win2k?  Should be the same as XP
[09:02] <hazmat> which is also unstable.
[09:02] <joolz> RedMenace: sure, just a sec
[09:06] <joolz> "Configuring network interfaces" takes a long time when you're not connected. Does anyone know if i can lower the timeout somewhere?
[09:08] <punkass> joolz: you talkin about bootup?
[09:08] <joolz> punkass: yes
[09:08] <calc> joolz: you could theoretically detect that the cable is not connected and skip it completely
[09:08] <punkass> yeah i just took mine off auto
[09:08] <joolz> calc: how do i do that?
[09:08] <RedMenace> Man .... the Ubuntu install did some weird stuff .... I made a partition at the beginning of my drive, starting at 1 .... somehow this partition was labeled partition4.  I would have thought it would be 1.
[09:08] <calc> joolz: not sure, that is why i said it in that way ;)
[09:08] <joolz> calc: :)
[09:09] <punkass> calc: really? like hotplug for network cable.
[09:09] <crimsun> RedMenace: probably marked an extended partition? check w/ {c}fdisk
[09:09] <calc> well there is a way to tell if the cable is unplugged but i don't know if its uniform
[09:09] <crimsun> wait
[09:09] <crimsun> no
[09:09] <crimsun> an extended would have been >=5
[09:09] <joolz> RedMenace: here's the grub entry for win2k: title Windows NT/2000/XP ; root (hd0,0) ; savedefault ; makeactive ; chainloader +1
[09:09] <joolz>  ; = newline
[09:10] <RedMenace> You didn't use rootnoverify?
[09:10] <joolz> RedMenace:  this is just the way the installer did it. I touched nothing :)
[09:11] <bborkk> punkass, calc: Until we figure out how to tell if the cable is there, is a quick way to lower the timeout?
[09:11] <RedMenace> Oh weird .... the installer didn't even see my WindowsXP
[09:11] <RedMenace> I had to add the entry myself
[09:11] <punkass> bborkk: i am not sure...i just turn my 'auto' off
[09:11] <RedMenace> Well, I'll try it out
[09:11] <punkass> so it doesnt detect anything on boot up.
[09:12] <joolz> maybe Fedora did some of the hard work. When I installed ubuntu, I removed the fc partitions, let win2k live and installed on the available room
[09:12] <punkass> then depending what i am using wifi/cable i just enable it
[09:12] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, that's what I do as well.  I think I like that option better anyway... best to be aware of what network you're on.
[09:12] <punkass> ;)
[09:13] <punkass> did u end up tryin that little pyfi app out?
[09:13] <bborkk> hey, whatever happened to tuxracer?
[09:13] <punkass> i think u can apt-get it
[09:13] <joolz> does ubuntu have a graphical ssh-agent on board?
[09:13] <bborkk> punkass: Not yet, although I looked through it a bit... I spent today getting my graphics card up and running.
[09:14] <punkass> ah..well u can use it to connect to wired network too
[09:14] <punkass> joolz: for browsing files?
[09:14] <bborkk> punkass: I tried apt-get install tuxracer, just like the InterWeb told me, but Ubuntu's apt doesn't know about that package.
[09:14] <punkass> bborkk: even in universe?
[09:15] <joolz> no, for making ssh connections to servers without typing in the password each time. ssh-agent does this in console-land
[09:15] <RedMenace> ANyone ever had the error "Error13 - Invalid or unsupported executable format" from GRUB when tryin to boot into XP or anything else?
[09:15] <punkass> ah right
[09:15] <bborkk> punkass: How do I specify universe from the command line?
[09:15] <punkass> you either have to edit the sources.list file or use sypatic and check it there
[09:15] <nxvl> hi
[09:16] <nxvl> the ubuntu developers are here?
[09:16] <punkass> i should be in the source.list file just have to remove the #
[09:16] <nxvl> the ones who began with the proyect?
[09:16] <punkass> i =it
[09:16] <bborkk> punkass: Oh, I thought universe was already in sources.list... guess not.
[09:17] <punkass> nxvl: they are alwasy here...all around...watching... ;)
[09:17] <crimsun> universe is in sources.list by default, just commented out.
[09:17] <menator_> Alright, got my wireless working finally, on to eclipse and java
[09:17] <nxvl> punkass: who are they
[09:17] <nxvl> punkass: i must to talk to then
[09:17] <crimsun> nxvl: just speak to the channel then
[09:17] <bborkk> nxvl: Only the Oracle can tell you that.
[09:17] <punkass> lol
[09:18] <nxvl> ok
[09:18] <nxvl> i'm from peru
[09:18] <punkass> or use the mailing list
[09:18] <nxvl> and i'm from de debian User Group from here
[09:18] <nxvl> and i'm making a presentation of, why to base a distro in debian
[09:19] <joolz> hmm, i don't really like the dependency between evolution and ubuntu desktop
[09:19] <nxvl> and in particulary i have to mention ubunto
[09:19] <nxvl> ubuntu
[09:19] <nxvl> so i want to ask they why he based Ubuntu in Debian
[09:20] <joolz> nxvl: isn't that in the faqs somewhere?
[09:20] <nxvl> no, i didn't think so
[09:21] <nxvl> the reasons why it is based in Debian and not in RedHat for example aren't there i think
[09:21] <joolz> nxvl: oh... i'm not a developer, so I can't tell you why they did it. Glad with it though
[09:22] <joolz> i was (partly still am) on fedora. Very nice, but too heavy for a desktop
[09:23] <RedMenace> ok ... if I do an fdisk, I get the message "Partition table entries are not in disk order".   How do I fix this?  I'm wondering if this is why I'm having trouble dual booting to Windows.
[09:23] <bborkk> nxvl: I think it is at least in part because some of the Ubuntu developers are/were Debian developers first.
[09:24] <nxvl> bborkk: but it must be another reason
[09:24] <nxvl> i have think in some
[09:24] <bborkk> nxvl: I think that's a pretty good reason.  Although it does lead to the question of why they are Debian developers in the first place.
[09:24] <nxvl> and i think it maybe can be because debian hasn't much bugs because it is very well probed
[09:25] <bborkk> nxvl: I'm sure that's part of it too.
[09:25] <punkass> sleep time:  nite all
[09:25] <bborkk> punkass: nite
[09:25] <nxvl> bborkk: i think it is a good reason but for the presentation isn't
[09:26] <punkass> bborkk: oh and dont look through that pyfi code...its pretty ugly :)
[09:26] <menator_> anyone know where I can find a java and/or eclipse repository?
[09:26] <bborkk> punkass: Ha.  I'll show you ugly someday.
[09:26] <punkass> lol
[09:27] <bborkk> punkass: I'll try it out tomorrow, hopefully.
[09:27] <punkass> cool..lots of stuff i want to fix up on it still.
[09:28] <joolz> anyone know what's the opposite of indexignore in .htaccess?
[09:28] <punkass> i did an update, then noticed that iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxx   wasnt remembering the key
[09:28] <punkass> so i had to modify my version to edit the interfaces file and add the key to it...
[09:29] <punkass> kinda wierd..but it works ;)
[09:29] <bborkk> punkass: I'm pretty good at complaining, so I'll be sure to look out for gotchas.  :)
[09:29] <punkass> lol right on 
[09:29] <bborkk> punkass: Huh... is that a bug with iwconfig?
[09:29] <punkass> not really sure...it was on my bosses laptop and i was in a crunch to get it fix before he left on a business trip
[09:30] <punkass> so i havnt had time to check it out yet
[09:30] <joolz> ah... option +indexes
[09:31] <bborkk> punkass: That must mean that Ubuntu is already out in the wild and not confined to the likes of us.  That's great.
[09:31] <punkass> bborkk: yeah he was sick of windows, so i said "hey ive got this sweet new linux distro u can try"
[09:32] <bborkk> punkass: That's pretty cool of him... most people I know won't budge.
[09:32] <punkass> but that was the main reason for creating pyfi...he needed a simple way to connect to wireless etc
[09:33] <punkass> yeah it is, hes pretty open to linux
[09:33] <punkass> most of the computers in the office are running linux...i am slowly going to switch them all to ubuntu
[09:33] <bborkk> punkass: Well, whatever you're putting in his coffee, keep on it.
[09:34] <punkass> got a thinclient server running fc2 right now..
[09:34] <punkass> lol
[09:34] <nxvl> did u know the mails from the developers or how could i contact them?
[09:35] <punkass> nxvl: no, but i am sure the website must have that info on it
[09:35] <punkass> ok, really off to sleep now ;)
[09:35] <bborkk> nxvl: They hang out here.  I recommend you submit a request for an enhancement to the website in the form of a FAQ of why they chose Debian.
[09:35] <bborkk> punkass: G'night.
[09:36] <nxvl> bborkk: thnx
[09:38] <nxvl> there is some usefull information in the web
[09:39] <Maskie_> nxvl: the best person probably to answer that question is Mark Shuttleworth who is the main person behind Ubuntu ... you will find him here from time to time otherwise on the ubuntu-devel list
[09:42] <menator_> Has anyone tried installing java and eclipse from a sid repository?
[09:53] <bborkk> Anyone notice that the fglrx drivers for the ATI FireGL T2 don't quite work?  I just played Tuxracer, but something was wrong with the camera position or something. 
[09:54] <bborkk> It was as if the camera was halfway buried in the ground.  Lots of flickering polygons.
[09:55] <PandU> Is ubuntu amd-64 a pure64 system and Can I chroot to a 32bit system from pure64
[09:56] <calc> PandU: ubuntu uses /lib /lib32 /lib64
[09:57] <PandU> so it should be alright
[09:57] <RedMenace> What's the source module for AMD64 warty?
[09:58] <PandU> if i chroot to the 32 bit system how do i export the DISPLAY to run x apps
[09:59] <PandU> I dont wont to start x server on chrooted sys
[09:59] <wu_ming> hi, how do i configure emacs to have syntax highlighting and indenting for editing c,c++,java source files
[10:00] <menator_> anyone use eclipse?
[10:00] <wu_ming> too slow
[10:01] <wu_ming> any good ide for gnome?
[10:01] <MyKq3> hello. how do i install jvm on ubuntu (FireFox)? ... i tryed to to put SIMLINK of java on the ~/.mozilla/plugin/ but still it don't wotk
[10:01] <menator_> wu_ming: anjuta
[10:01] <MyKq3> work*
[10:01] <crimsun> eclipse uses gtk, no?
[10:01] <crimsun> *wt or whatever
[10:02] <menator_> crimsun: GTK or Motif
[10:02] <crimsun> thought so
[10:02] <wu_ming> isnt eclipse java based
[10:02] <crimsun> yes
[10:02] <menator_> crimsun: too bad java and eclipse aren't in the repositories
[10:03] <wu_ming> java is slow...
[10:03] <crimsun> java is bearable
[10:03] <menator_> java is fast the startup of the jvm is slow.
[10:04] <MyKq3>  i don't know .. i think that Java is slow in any case ...
[10:04] <bluewheel> Java is slow
[10:04] <menator_> I agree that it is slow in some areas.
[10:04] <wu_ming> anyone know how to make syntax and indentation in emacs?
[10:04] <hazmat> java programs can be speedy
[10:04] <hazmat> minus startup overhead... lucene is a great example, imho.
[10:05] <menator_> there is a native java compiler in the works. Forgot what its called.
[10:05] <bluewheel> hazmat, totally, but for processor intensive they are shocking i had to do an evolutionary algorythum's in them and it was slow 
[10:05] <bluewheel> java was forced, not my choice
[10:05] <hazmat> menator_, gcj is a native compiler.. also towerj (commercial)
[10:05] <menator_> the group that made it compiled eclipse with it.
[10:05] <menator_> is that what is is?
[10:05] <hazmat> gcj yup
[10:05] <wu_ming> yeah
[10:06] <wu_ming> but i thought swing wasnt implemented yet
[10:06] <menator_> not sure.
[10:06] <hazmat> the default version in ubuntu is a bit borked... if you want to use it upgrade to gcj-3.4 (in universe)
[10:06] <MyKq3> do u know how can i install JVM ? i really need to install it today ...
[10:06] <wu_ming> yeah
[10:06] <menator_> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[10:07] <bluewheel> what is java like on ppc atm ? does anyone know if it's implemented with swing ? 
[10:07] <MyKq3> thank u very much 
[10:07] <menator_> works, but I am still working on getting eclipse to work.
[10:07] <hazmat> bluewheell, i'm using the ibm ppc java version... (1.4.2)
[10:07] <wu_ming> any luck menator
[10:07] <hazmat> works okay
[10:07] <bluewheel> ok cool :-) 
[10:07] <menator_> eclipse bombs out with x11gtk libraries not found.
[10:07] <MyKq3> menator_, : real thanks
[10:08] <wu_ming> hmmm i try also
[10:08] <hazmat> bluewheel, not everything works, because some stuff depends on sun libraries... azureus (java bitorrent) for example bombs out.
[10:08] <joefal> is there like a non-preveiw release of ubuntu?
[10:09] <joefal> helo?
[10:09] <menator_> azureus uses eclipse.org/swt stuff for the gui, thats where I had problems getting it to work.
[10:10] <smo> joefal: Not yet.  If all goes to plan, that'll be April 2005
[10:10] <jdub> joefal: on the 20th, warty final will be released
[10:10] <joefal> cool
[10:10] <jdub> joefal: then the next final will be in april next year
[10:11] <joefal> this ubuntu seems to be a VERY good dist, the best iive used so far
[10:11] <joefal> cant wait
[10:11] <|trey|> jdub: you don't sleep do you?  :)
[10:11] <jdub> |trey|: it's 18:00
[10:11] <smo> I knew I shoulda waited until I'd found the roadmap on the wiki.  I was under the impression Hoary was going to be the first 'real' release?
[10:11] <|trey|> jdub: ahh, where you at? its 1am here  :/
[10:12] <joem> jdub, know how to go about migrating evolution calendar data from 1.4 to 2.0
[10:12] <joem> general question
[10:12] <joefal> wat ports does sshd run on?
[10:12] <joem> 22 by default
[10:13] <joefal> hmm when i sshd  127.0.0.1 i can get in, but when i try my ip address i cant
[10:13] <jdub> joem: if you have an ~/evolution directory, it should automigrate
[10:13] <|trey|> joefal: I don't think anyone should really judge Ubuntu too much till Hoary... warty is basically setting the president for other releases, Hoary appears likely to include the "professional modern looking distro" that Fedora and SuSE at least are striving for...
[10:13] <joefal> are there any other ports? i need to port redirect them
[10:13] <joem> if it doesn't, is there a way to do it manually?
[10:13] <|trey|> joefal: then, if you already like Ubuntu, then things will only get better for you  :)
[10:14] <|trey|> joem: to do what? I missed the question  :(
[10:14] <joefal> cool, when will hoary come out?
[10:14] <joem> migrate evo 1.4 cal data to 2.0 manually
[10:15] <|trey|> joem: ahh, there pretty much has to be, but I don't know how  :(
[10:15] <menator_> I hope java will get supported regardless of the license issues. 
[10:15] <|trey|> joem: you ought to have the dir though...
[10:15] <jdub> joem: evo1.4 calendar data is just an ics file
[10:15] <|trey|> menator_: it won't be supported... but I hope they put it in Universe...
[10:16] <jdub> menator_: it won't be; we can't support software we don't have access to
[10:16] <|trey|> jdub: been noticing multiverse recently... whats it all about?
[10:16] <menator_> well at least in the unsupported repo
[10:16] <jdub> |trey|: non-free universe
[10:16] <wu_ming> joem: try to edit gconf if it doesnt auto migrate
[10:16] <|trey|> jdub: hmm, so the kinda place java might end up?  :)
[10:16] <joem> ok cool
[10:17] <jdub> |trey|: maybe
[10:17] <joem> was asking for somebody else, don't have any evo-1.4 stuff laying around
[10:17] <menator_> java is too popular to not include no matter what distro.
[10:17] <jdub> menator_: what's popular is not always compatible with the goals of the distribution
[10:18] <wu_ming> joem: try change apps->evolution->lastversion & version to 1.4 in gconf editor
[10:19] <smo> menator_: no sane company can afford to ignore licensing just because it feels good.  There's far too many lawyers around already
[10:20] <menator_> true, but for a distro to be effectively accepted, you can't make your users jump through hoops to get support for a widespread technology.
[10:20] <|trey|> jdub: I was kinda guesing that multiverse would some how link to actual sources for software... so ubuntu/canonical didn't actually get in trouble for distribution... would that be feasable?
[10:20] <|trey|> guessing*
[10:21] <menator_> I'm not saying to ignore licensing issues all together, Sun offers java on most major platforms.
[10:21] <|trey|> jdub: so for instance, linking to Marillats sources via multiverse etc... would keep Ubuntu out of trouble, while still keeping users happy?
[10:22] <|trey|> menator_: just for a heads up... Sun doesn't allow you to redistribute Java without prior written consent... hence need to get it _from_ them in one way or another...
[10:22] <wu_ming> anyone know how to configure syntax highlightning in emacs/xemacs?
[10:22] <|trey|> wu_ming: *coughviisbettercough*  ;)
[10:23] <wu_ming> ....ok
[10:23] <menator_> just have an install script notify the user to download the jdk to a specified directory, thus accepting suns license and the user is happy.
[10:23] <menator_> gentoo does it.
[10:23] <|trey|> menator_: this isn't Gentoo, such comments are useless...
[10:23] <|trey|> menator_: Ubuntu has someone Sun can sue, Gentoo does not
[10:23] <menator_> philosophy is useless.
[10:24] <menator_> A suggestion to help a distro is useless....
[10:24] <|trey|> Ubuntu has to be a little more careful then Gentoo...
[10:24] <fughidabowit> so has anyone here had any luck installing the drivers for an ATI Radeon 9800 pro???
[10:25] <whatzzz-up> hello people of Ubuntu . :)
[10:25] <menator_> true, but the user accepting the license circumvents any possible legal issue.
[10:26] <menator_> As long as the script doesn't automatically bypass that process, Ubuntu will be safe.
[10:26] <|trey|> menator_: watch multiverse.
[10:27] <whatzzz-up> can someone tell how to  stop wvdial after i have connected to internete? i don't want to kill the process?please...
[10:27] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: it doesn't provide any type of interface?
[10:27] <whatzzz-up> |trey|, no i runned it from console
[10:27] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: I was right about it being included huh?  :)
[10:27] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: ran*  ;)
[10:27] <chevwI> When legal action is taken, all those in favour of ignoring the provisions before would suddenly and without reason go MIA. Ubuntu and most other sensible distros understands this for NO one will take the rap should things go really awry. Unl;ess that is someone signs something black and white that is legally binding and thus assuming for himslef/herself fully and totally all consequences of using proprietary stuff for himself, other use
[10:27] <chevwI> rs and the distro/s. Can't see it happening to be absoultely honest. ;)
[10:28] <whatzzz-up> |trey|, no , it wasn't. again . LOL. i instalkled it manually from the debian packages
[10:28] <menator_> |trey|: I will, checking out for tonight..
[10:28] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: eh, idgi...
[10:29] <MyKq3> i have done all the instraction on this site to install JVM (http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian) but still it don't work  ( i didn't tryed to installthe SDK)
[10:29] <wu_ming> i keep on getting warnings: "setting locale failed" in synaptic, LANGUAG=(unset), LC_ALL=(unset), how do i fix this
[10:29] <MyKq3> do u have any idea what should i do?
[10:29] <|trey|> anyway, yeah, its not loaded here... I don't know how to stop it without killing the daemon...
[10:29] <whatzzz-up> |trey|, any idea of how to stop wvdial?
[10:29] <whatzzz-up> |trey|, oh ok
[10:29] <wu_ming> hmmm it should work, coz i installed java based on those instructions before
[10:29] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: my guess would be something like /etc/init.d/ppp stop or simular.
[10:30] <|trey|> MyKq3: you link correctly to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?
[10:30] <whatzzz-up> |trey|, i better kill the proccess
[10:30] <|trey|> whatzzz-up: k
[10:30] <wu_ming> MyKq3: did u reboot
[10:31] <|trey|> wu_ming: why would rebooting help?
[10:31] <|trey|> this isn't Winblows
[10:31] <MyKq3> wu_ming,  look i have restarted my FF and then go to this page to test and i still don't c the picture of the test http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp
[10:32] <daniels> |trey|: dude, please save your Windows rants for #offtopic
[10:32] <MyKq3>  I haven't rebootrf cuse i didn't installed the SDK pack ... i don't need it . all i need it the JVM,
[10:32] <|trey|> daniels: I wasn't ranting, just saying the dude doesn't need to reboot to get java working  :/
[10:33] <|trey|> Sorry if it was percieved that way though...
[10:33] <daniels> |trey|: either way, it's not terribly constructive.  not in here, please.
[10:35] <|trey|> MyKq3: ln -s /usr/lib/java-dir/where/the/plugin/is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[10:35] <|trey|> MyKq3: once you do that, Java will work. most plugins link to Mozilla, not firefox...
[10:36] <|trey|> MyKq3: for more ease: ln -s ../../mozilla/plugins/libj<tab> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[10:37] <|trey|> MyKq3: for more ease: ln -s ../../mozilla/plugins/libj<tab> .     from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ dir
[10:37] <MyKq3> thanks
[10:37] <MyKq3> ;)
[10:38] <|trey|> MyKq3: I see the image... I just installed java and added the symlink... so yeah, that should work  :)
[10:41] <unimatrix9> hi there
[10:41] <unimatrix9> ubuntu live cd...running
[10:51] <RedMenace> If I wanted to change the horizontal and vertical settings for my monitor, where would I do that?  I'm currently capped at 60Hz, which is hurting my eyes.  My monitor should do 100Hz at this resolution.
[10:52] <|trey|> RedMenace: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:53] <Treenaks> RedMenace: and select "medium" difficulty monitor selection if it asks.. then select the highest possible resolution+refresh (you can select the mode you want to use later, if that's lower than the monitor's max)
[10:55] <RedMenace> there's 1024K in 1Meg, right?
[10:55] <RedMenace> It's asking for my video memory in KB
[10:56] <Iorek> people
[10:56] <alessandro_> I try both ubuntu and ubuntu live but both end the boot with a black screen...
[10:56] <alessandro_> RedMenace, yes
[10:57] <Iorek> is there a way to have ubunu's rhythmbox work with xine instead of gstreamer?
[10:58] <Iorek> I know it's possible when you configure it from source...
[10:58] <RedMenace> for configuring x-server, what do I select for my mouse port if I'm using a USB mouse?   /dev/input/mice?
[10:59] <spiv> RedMenace: Yep.
[10:59] <unimatrix9> hi there, where do i file an bug report?
[10:59] <|trey|> unimatrix9: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:02] <Iorek> hmh, I'll have to recompile rhythmbox then :P
[11:02] <malte`> hi
[11:02] <unimatrix9> there is an issue on the bttv chipset, the tvtime program does not save the scanned channels..is this an bug? or should i file it somewhere else, what do you think?
[11:02] <unimatrix9> and xawtv does not function either as it should..
[11:02] <unimatrix9> should i file it?
[11:03] <|trey|> Iorek: recompiling to enable a worse technology makes no sense, but ok...
[11:04] <|trey|> especially if you're having no problems with gstreamer... 
[11:04] <spiv> unimatrix9: If the program is in main, then yes.
[11:04] <Iorek> trey: gstreamer doesn't play half of my mp3s, xine does. No argument :)
[11:05] <|trey|> Iorek: umm, ok.... both use mad though  :/
[11:05] <|trey|> (mpeg audio decoder)
[11:06] <|trey|> Iorek: its more likely that its an issue with the decoder, not the audio architecture
[11:07] <Iorek> same mp3 plays in totem-xine, not in rhythmbox
[11:07] <malte`> same thing here
[11:08] <unimatrix9> hmm, dont know about that..
[11:08] <smo> I've not had a single problem with gstreamer-mad, and I've a few more mp3s than I'd care to admit to
[11:08] <unimatrix9> i think it (the program) came from the universe part of ubunut
[11:10] <Iorek> mhh...importing mp3s was troublesome in every app I tried
[11:12] <Iorek> don't think it's a gstreamer problem, juK uses gstreamer and had no problems whatsoever
[11:18] <alakdan> hello, just wondering whats ubuntus alternative to modconf for managing kernel modules?
[11:19] <Treenaks> alakdan: sudo nano /etc/modules
[11:21] <alakdan> Treenaks: thanks :)
[11:23] <spiv> alakdan: Although, it's suppposed to detect your hardware and load the modules you need automatically...
[11:24] <spiv> alakdan: What modules do you need to load?
[11:32] <azeem> hi
[11:38] <azeem> I tried booting the Ubuntu prerelease on my parent's box with a SCSI CD-ROM, but ISOlinux barfs right at the beginning, before the Ubuntu screen. Is there a way to boot from floppy and then run the installation from CD?
[11:39] <MyKq3> what do u mean by "but ISOlinux barfs right at the beginning.."
[11:40] <azeem> well, some messages about checksum being wrong and having detected a bad-behaving BIOS
[11:40] <azeem> and then 'press enter to reboot'
[11:41] <azeem> that CD boots fine in my Thinkpad
[11:44] <jayden> crap i forgot what i was sapposed to add to fstab to beable to read the ntfs windows drives
[11:45] <crimsun> azeem: create a grub boot diskette
[11:46] <crimsun> azeem: at the prompt edit the choice to point to your ide drive
[11:46] <azeem> I want to boot from my SCSI CD-ROM though
[11:46] <crimsun> sorry, misread
[11:47] <crimsun> then edit it to point to your scsi drive
[11:47] <azeem> hmm, what's the GRUB command-line to boot a CD?
[11:47] <daniels> MacPlusG3: 'sup
[11:47] <azeem> GRUB is already running on the box anyway
[11:54] <Gwaihir> #gnome
[12:01] <monteiro> i installed armagetron and it doesnt work :( the error is:  Data files not found. You have to run Armagetron from its own directory.
[12:01] <monteiro> anyone knows how to solve this ?
[12:01] <pepsi> did you run it from its own directory?
[12:02] <monteiro> i did an apt-get install armagetron
[12:02] <monteiro> it is supposed to work
[12:02] <monteiro> i think
[12:02] <pepsi> how did you run it?
[12:02] <pepsi> i hav eno clue what it is though
[12:03] <monteiro> it's a game
[12:04] <pepsi> so howd you run it
[12:04] <monteiro> armagetron in the console
[12:05] <pepsi> locate armagetron
[12:05] <monteiro> wait
[12:10] <Gwaihir> i have a problem with .ICEauthority: every time i login it says that the last session has lasted 10 sec. and that it cannot read .ICEauthority. Using a emergency terminal i resolved the problem but it happen again when i reboot ! any suggestion ?
[12:12] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: did you execute some program as root?
[12:12] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: remove .ICEauthority and re-login
[12:12] <Gwaihir> i'll try !
[12:13] <monteiro> anyone knows how a normal user couldn't see what is inside the root or other users ?
[12:13] <Treenaks> monteiro: uh.. what do you mean? an explanation of the UNIX permission system?
[12:13] <crimsun> monteiro: at the very least, chmod 700 the home directories.
[12:15] <monteiro> crimsun : ok, thanx :)
[12:15] <Gwaihir> Treenaks, now is working ! thx  !
[12:16] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: but did you run an X program as root/
[12:16] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: that's the most likely cause (you shouldn't run stuff as root...)
[12:17] <Gwaihir> i was compiling xsupplicant.... 
[12:18] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: you don't need root for compiling
[12:18] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: only for installing, and even then, there's a package available, so you don't need to compile
[12:18] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: apt-get install xsupplicant should work
[12:23] <Gwaihir> i see, but i've a preference in compiling !
[12:24] <bob2> why?
[12:24] <Gwaihir> i'll find it more interesting
[12:26] <joh_> whats the easy way to play css DVD movies?
[12:27] <Smeggy> easiest?
[12:27] <Smeggy> grab libdvdcss as a deb
[12:27] <Smeggy> install it
[12:27] <Smeggy> then install ogle and ogle_gui from universe
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: then use apt-get -b source
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gwaihir: at leat you'll be able to upgrade cleanly then
[12:30] <Treenaks> joh_: there's a "restricted formats" page in the wiki
[12:31] <Gwaihir> Treenaks: didn't know that, thx i'll try !
[12:47] <lml> What is the easiest way for me to install MythTV?
[12:49] <monteiro> when i run armagetron-dedicated it gives me the following error : Data files not found. You have to run Armagetron from its own directory :: anyone knows how to solve this ?
[12:50] <darksatanic> Did you do what it says?
[12:52] <monteiro> but i did the apt-get
[12:52] <monteiro> and it should have worked
[12:53] <Manny> hi :)
[12:53] <darksatanic> I would suggest finding the place that the armagetron binary was installed, 
[12:53] <darksatanic> and running the command from there. 
[12:53] <Manny> Ubuntu rocks, thanks to all devels :)
[12:53] <darksatanic> Like the error message tells you to.
[12:53] <monteiro> darksatanic : /usr/games
[12:54] <Manny> I'd like to report a bug, though (ubuntu-desktop dep. on totem-gstreamer instead of totem). The bugzilla isn't willing to send me my confirmation mail, though
[12:54] <Manny> and bug-buddy obviously hasn't been fed with ubuntu bug information
[01:00] <joh_> Treenaks: thanks!
[01:00] <Treenaks> joh_: ?
[01:00] <Mithrandir> Manny: I'll look at it.
[01:00] <Mithrandir> Manny: why do you think it's a bug, btw?
[01:01] <Manny> Mithrandir: because totem/gstreamer doesn't work perfectly at the moment, totem-xine is mutually exclusive with totem-gstreamer and therefore ubuntu-desktop is removed if I install totem-xine
[01:01] <Manny> thanks for doing so! :)
[01:02] <Manny> I'm quiet eager to see how this experiment (if I got it right, every contributor has free access to all pkgs) will emerge, taken that the GNOME CVS works the same way
[01:03] <david_> how can i get Gdesklets on Ubuntu?
[01:03] <Manny> david_: add the universe repository to your sources.list
[01:03] <Manny> you can do this through synaptic as well
[01:03] <david_> ah cool
[01:04] <Manny> indeed, that's what debian/ubuntu is all about ("ah cool") :)
[01:04] <malte`> lol
[01:04] <malte`> you're right Manny
[01:04] <malte`> :)
[01:04] <monteiro> anyone has armagetron-server working ?
[01:04] <smo> I thought the same when I finally saw the fabled camera import dialog
[01:04] <david_> this is my first go on a deb based distro
[01:05] <Manny> thanks to all the great work that has been done on the underlying components, linux distros really start to rock. hotplug, udev, dbus, gnome-volume-manager, etc. :)
[01:06] <malte`> david_: mine too
[01:06] <smo> I think all I need now, is for someone to introduce the f-spot guys to espresso.  then I'll be a happy chappy
[01:07] <Manny> smo: what is espresso?
[01:07] <malte`> yesterday i wiped out a 20 months Gentoo install
[01:07] <Manny> smo: I might be your man
[01:08] <david_> hmm i dont seem to be able to start Gdesklets.. there was only one package i needed, no dependencies
[01:08] <Manny> david_: well, you know how to use gdesklets?
[01:08] <Manny> gdesklets depends on python etc. which is delivered with ubuntu
[01:08] <smo> david_: You might be interested in gdesklets-data too .. that appears to contain most the desklets themselves
[01:09] <david_> ah where can i find the -data package?
[01:09] <david_> Manny: first time
[01:09] <Manny> david_: it's in universe as well
[01:09] <Manny> david_: FAQs are to be read
[01:10] <Manny> http://gurb.ton.tut.fi/gdesklets/book1.htm
[01:10] <Manny> hrm that FAQ is outdated
[01:11] <david_> sounds like i need the -data package
[01:11] <david_> although i dont see it in Gnome DE (universe)
[01:12] <smo> it appears to be in universe/x11.  I'd recommend using the search function more often .. especially with that many packages to leaf thru
[01:13] <david_> ah thanks
[01:13] <david_> ok thats installed
[01:13] <smo> I think that's one of the first things I noticed on debian.  when 'apt-cache stats' reports over 13,000 packages, you know you want to automate finding things :o)
[01:14] <david_> i still cant start it from the Applications menu which is odd
[01:15] <Manny> david_: synaptic?
[01:15] <Manny> david_: what's the problem?
[01:15] <david_> ive installled both Gdesklets and its -data package
[01:15] <david_> im trying to run it from Applications menu
[01:15] <david_> top left of my screen
[01:15] <Manny> david_: argh
[01:15] <Manny> david_: you need some desklets first
[01:16] <david_> ok
[01:16] <Manny> unfortunately IMHO there is still no nice gui for desklet management
[01:16] <david_> heh the main website is down :@
[01:16] <Manny> indeed
[01:16] <david_> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[01:16] <david_> :/
[01:18] <andi84> hmm have a big problem, upgradet yesterday all packetes, and now my desktop is not workin correctly any more
[01:18] <andi84> my background image is gone
[01:18] <andi84> i am not able to create anything on ot
[01:19] <andi84> and my icons are gone
[01:19] <david_> Synaptic doesnt seem to want to get the libgtk1.2 dependency for XMMS, which im trying to install..
[01:19] <Manny> david_: really, you shouldn't install that software
[01:19] <david_> ah, whys that?
[01:20] <andi84> when i try to change my background, the applet gets stuck
[01:20] <Manny> david_: because it's old and ugly code
[01:20] <Manny> david_: regarding the desklets
[01:21] <Manny> try gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/network/networkinfo.display
[01:21] <david_> ok .. so XMMS in Ubuntu is a bad plan
[01:21] <malte`> no Xv xine with my trident cyberblade card... what should i put in ~/.xine/config to use XShm ?
[01:22] <Manny>  /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays contains many displays
[01:22] <Manny> this one is nice as well: /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/starterbar-desklet/starterbar.display
[01:24] <david_> hmm Manny those things are all there ready to run .. in the Gdesklets folder .. by the looks of things
[01:24] <Manny> david_: yes, they are telling the display interpreter what to do/display
[01:24] <smo> exactly the point about the UI.  they're all "there".  But it leaves you to guess where "there" happens to be.
[01:25] <david_> what i dont get is how to activate some of them
[01:25] <Manny> bug pycage in #gdesklets@irc.gnome.org :P
[01:25] <Manny> david_: activate?
[01:25] <Manny> david_: gdesklets <displaypath>
[01:25] <Manny> adding them to the internal registry, that is
[01:25] <david_> well for instance activate the weather one .. so its visible on my desktop
[01:26] <Manny> it is visible as soon as you run gdesklets <path_to_weather_applet>
[01:26] <Manny> the state information is saved in gconf
[01:26] <Manny> (/apps/gdesklets)
[01:27] <david_> ok .. so i need the terminal?
[01:27] <Manny> of course :)
[01:27] <Manny> as I said, no GUI
[01:27] <david_> ive never actually seen the terminal in Ubuntu .. cant find it ..
[01:27] <Manny> Applications->System Tools->Terminal
[01:27] <andi84> *G*
[01:27] <Manny> you can right-click it as well and add it to the panel
[01:27] <paws> alt-f2, xterm
[01:27] <david_> ah ok thanks
[01:28] <paws> is an alternative
[01:28] <smo> you could always visit /usr/share/gdesklets/ in nautilus, and enjoy the new mime stuff
[01:29] <Manny> Mithrandir: is the bug still relevant? Are you going to work on it? I've finally received my bugzilla password.
[01:29] <Manny> oh, right
[01:30] <david_> whats the most comprehensive toolbar from memerory? one with System info and Weather?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> Manny: I'm not sure the seed supports it, so please just file a bug.
[01:30] <david_> i would look it up if myself that site was working :/
[01:30] <Manny> Mithrandir: ok, thanks!
[01:31] <david_> i think it was PSI-xxxxx 
[01:35] <tomiu> when i go into windows after using ubuntu my system clock changes!! how do i stop this??
[01:35] <david_> Manny.. i tried this gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/displays/sysinfo-desklet/sysinfo.display
[01:35] <Manny> david_: yes, that's correct
[01:36] <PerfDave> tomiu: It's because Linux treats the system clock as UTC, and Windows treats it as local time. The best thing to do is install an NTP client to run at startup on both :)
[01:36] <david_> Manny: whats that done .. registered that desklet?
[01:36] <tomiu> NTP client?
[01:36] <Manny> david_: yes
[01:36] <david_> Manny: what should i do next?
[01:37] <malte`> is there already a fix to the ntpdate boot problem for pcmcia users?
[01:37] <Manny> david_: run gdesklets from application menu
[01:37] <Manny> i.e. without any args
[01:37] <tomiu> is there another way of fixing this time bug?
[01:37] <david_> Manny: ok tried that .. nothing visible has happened
[01:38] <Manny> weird!
[01:38] <smo> david_: As odd as it sounds, try clicking on the wallpaper.  a lot of desklets don't seem to appear until you "place" them
[01:38] <Manny> david_: try to run it in a terminal
[01:38] <tomiu> when i go into windows after using ubuntu my system clock changes!! how do i stop this without using a ntp client
[01:39] <david_> Manny: what command? try registering again?
[01:39] <smo> tomiu: look for a like mentioning UTC in /etc/default/rcS   (it may be worth noting that XP already has an NTP client .. in the clock's properties, nicely hidden)
[01:39] <smo> for a line, rather
[01:40] <Manny> david_: no, without any parameters
[01:40] <bob2> pity windows is still so silly about gmt rtcs...
[01:41] <tomiu> smo: so do i get rid of the line??
[01:42] <smo> well, mine reads UTC=yes, so I guess you want UTC=no.  the comments are fairly explanitory
[01:42] <tomiu> cool ill take a look after, im in windows right now
[01:43] <david_> Manny: very odd .. i hadnt registered it .. but now im trying to
[01:44] <david_> Manny: it seems to think the file isnt there
[01:44] <Manny> david_: huh?!
[01:44] <david_> Manny: yet the command is correct
[01:44] <david_> Manny: gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/displays/psi-weather/psi-weather.display
[01:44] <Manny> david_: try ^dis^Dis^
[01:44] <david_> Manny: "could not add display" . "because the file does not exist"
[01:45] <david_> Manny: where to put ^dis^Dis"?
[01:46] <Manny> in the terminal - it means: Take the last input, replace "dis" by "Dis" i.e. you didn't write Display in capital letters
[01:47] <david_> Manny: sorry can you type the full command line you mean
[01:49] <Manny> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/psi-weather/psi-weather.display
[01:50] <joolz> i'm trying to apt-get install gdesklets, but they can't be found...
[01:50] <joolz> newbie
[01:50] <sleep1999> hello i have probelem with ibm r40 laptop with ubuntu
[01:50] <bob2> joolz: it's in universe.
[01:50] <Manny> heh, another gdesklets nerd
[01:50] <joolz> hehehe
[01:50] <david_> Manny: thats great it worked!
[01:50] <bob2> sleep1999: just ask your question...
[01:50] <joolz> where is universe? (i /told/ you i'm a newbie :)
[01:51] <david_> Manny: bit odd to have one folder with a capital and the rest lower case though
[01:51] <sleep1999> i dunno what happen to my laptop , i work after an hour and the hole system will automatically freeze
[01:51] <credmp> anyone know how to make dhcpclient get the ip address in the background? I have multiple nic (wired and wireless) and would like it to not hang until timeout at boot time
[01:51] <sleep1999> and only happen in ubuntu
[01:51] <bob2> joolz: uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, then try again
[01:51] <bob2> joolz: or use synaptic...
[01:51] <Manny> david_: indeed
[01:52] <joolz> bob2: ok, already found it myself, will have a go
[01:52] <bob2> joolz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, if you're using synaptic
[01:52] <joolz> desklets sounf great
[01:52] <joolz> sound
[01:52] <sleep1999> credmp: check your /etc/network/interface
[01:53] <credmp> sleep1999, thats where they are configured yes... and then?
[01:54] <joolz> brb
[01:54] <sleep1999> credmp:may be set all interface to up by hand is good for you>
[01:54] <sleep1999> ?
[01:54] <david_> Manny: hehe im having fun trying to get them in the right place :/
[01:55] <credmp> sleep1999, no... gentoo does it in the background... I want that same behaviour :)
[01:55] <sleep1999> credmp:did u try hotplug? i remeber it will do these automatically
[01:55] <Manny> david_: middle mouse button
[01:56] <credmp> thats for when you inster the hardware iirc
[01:56] <Manny> david_: read FAQs/doc
[01:57] <sleep1999> and any one have good software for laptop to slow down cpu frequency?
[01:57] <sleep1999> i really need to save some power of it
[01:57] <credmp> cpudyn
[01:57] <credmp> automatically throttles cpu when you use it less
[01:58] <joolz> sleep1999: windows xp?
[01:58] <sleep1999> joolz: u must be kidding 
[01:58] <credmp> I bet that was a joke
[01:59] <credmp> I hope
[01:59] <joolz> yeah
[01:59] <joolz> it'll slow you down for sure :)
[01:59] <Treenaks> does anyone here have a clue about laptops?
[01:59] <joolz> i'm running ubuntu on an asus a2500, that's about it
[02:00] <sleep1999> asus?? i don't know it can sell to other country 
[02:00] <joolz> they're quite common here in holland
[02:01] <bob2> they're pretty commin in .au, too
[02:01] <bob2> taiwan?
[02:01] <Treenaks> joolz: I'm looking for a new one, this ASUS L7300-E (sold as "MyNote" here) is getting old (4 years next month ;))
[02:01] <sleep1999> bob2:yes
[02:01] <bob2> haha
[02:02] <bob2> warty's liner notes should say "Brought to you by IBM x40", everyone has one now
[02:02] <Tzalidar> gah i've been fooling around with midi for a while now
[02:02] <Tzalidar> any1 who knows how to get midi working?
[02:02] <smo> I'm always half way up the wrong tree.  I'm still saving for an ibook
[02:03] <bob2> my ibook is great
[02:03] <bob2> aside from the lack of wireless or suspend
[02:03] <joolz> Treenaks: i wouldn't recommend asus anymore. I sent one that was just a few months over it's garantueed period (excusez my dutch), and asked if they could tell me what a repait would cost. Answer: 700 euro. And they already made 125 euro research costs.
[02:03] <sleep1999> bob2:sometime i go to class and found i must be in wrong class ,because there is so many black laptop that i thought there is a army of IBM here..
[02:03] <joolz> i'm not paying it and it was the last asus i bought
[02:03] <bob2> sleep1999: hehehehe
[02:03] <joolz> new one is a dell
[02:03] <longsleep> hey folks .. is there some central repository for the sources which are used to build ubuntu packages?
[02:03] <bob2> longsleep: sure, it's on all the ubuntu mirros, right next to the binary packages
[02:04] <sleep1999> joolz:how my you buy that laptop? in dollars?
[02:04] <bob2> right next to = in the same directories
[02:05] <joolz> sleep1999: i don't understand... :\
[02:06] <sleep1999> joolz:sorry , i type wrong chars i am asking "how much you buy that laptop? in dollars?"
[02:06] <sleep1999> i still don't know 1 dollar equal to how man euro dollars
[02:07] <smo> last I looked, about USD1.25
[02:07] <joolz> sleep1999: i'm not sure, somewhere between 1000 and 1200 i guess. But the cost isn't the most important. Service is. Especially when you have about 40 users running around with them
[02:08] <sleep1999> joolz:that's what i concerned,so i bought "BIG" black laptop
[02:13] <joolz> hmm, i don't understand gdesklets. I have gdesklets running in the background, but when I click a .display file in nautilus, it says there was a fault starting the application
[02:13] <joolz> did i miss something?
[02:15] <joolz> hmm, it works from the commandline though
[02:15] <joolz> nice
[02:17] <smo> joolz: you'll have to right-click and 'Open with Other Application' the first time .. gdesklets doesn't add a mime type apparently
[02:18] <joolz> i tried that, but not the right way i guess
[02:18] <joolz> damn!
[02:18] <joolz> hottie of the hour doesn't have any images yet
[02:19] <joolz> that's a MAJOR ubuntu showstopper :)
[02:19] <anders_> when I upgrade kernel the kernel command line always get overwritten, do you know a sed command for applying vga=794 to it so I can have a quick shellscript instead of editing it?
[02:20] <bob2> how are you setting it now?
[02:20] <Mithrandir> anders_: edit the # kopt = line in grub's menu.lst
[02:21] <anders_> Mithrandir: ok, thanks. Thats even better :)
[02:33] <joolz> these desklets are really cool. I know it's just eyecandy but i like it a lot
[02:35] <scriptkitty> Hello. I have a strange problem with my dvd and cdrw..
[02:36] <scriptkitty> I can burn at the command line but cannot mount the either disk. 
[02:36] <scriptkitty> They show up in dmesg as hdc and hdd respectively
[02:36] <scriptkitty> What can I do to fix?
[02:46] <joolz> is there any way i can prevent gnome from dragging windows outside of the desktop? In fvmw this is done with edgeresistance, but in gnome???
[02:46] <bob2> it's not a gnome issue, it's a metacity one
[02:46] <bob2> I'm not sure if it's possible
[02:47] <joolz> bob2: ah... iirc the window managers gnome used before metacity could do this too
[02:47] <joolz> i don't remember how though
[02:48] <bob2> yeah, metacity is a little...bare in some regards.
[02:53] <togs> does anybody else get this message in their console after about five minutes logged in? "localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #169
[02:53] <togs> "
[02:54] <togs> system beeps at me as well
[02:54] <scriptkitty> Hello I am having trouble with my dvd and cdrw..
[02:54] <bob2> scriptkitty: try asking on the ubuntu-user list
[02:55] <scriptkitty> I can burn using the command line. But I cannot mount them. dmesg sees both
[02:56] <scriptkitty> bob2 are you the simultaneously on #debian?
[02:56] <bob2> scriptkitty: yes
[02:56] <sleep2000> i still can't fix the system freeze problem ;<
[02:58] <anders_> Got this error message: Setting up gnome-gv (2.8.0-0ubuntu2) ...** (process:4009): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed , anything to worry about?
[02:59] <scriptkitty> Has ubunto got a forum anywhere yet like www.knoppix.net?
[02:59] <bob2> use the mailing list.
[02:59] <darksatanic> scriptkitty: Not yet, but apparently they're working on it.
[03:00] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[03:00] <bob2> there's gmane, too
[03:00] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here know what wiki is used by the ubuntu site?
[03:00] <superted> pmjdebruijn: you have got a funny nick
[03:00] <bob2> pmjdebruijn: moinmoin.
[03:00] <anders_> scriptkitty: you cannot automount or manual?
[03:00] <joolz> pmjdebruijn: looks like zope / plone
[03:01] <bob2> the site is plone, yes
[03:01] <pmjdebruijn> superted, why?
[03:01] <superted> pmjdebruijn: because it's lots of bajs
[03:01] <pmjdebruijn> bob2: thanks!
[03:01] <pmjdebruijn> superted, :S, well it's just my name :p
[03:01] <joolz> maybe he would prefer superpmjdebruijn :)
[03:02] <superted> pmjdebruijn: seriously?
[03:02] <pmjdebruijn> yeah, P.M.J de Bruijn :p
[03:02] <superted> hm
[03:02] <joolz> pmjdebruijn: alweer een nederlander erbij :)
[03:02] <pmjdebruijn> joolz, up
[03:02] <pmjdebruijn> jup*
[03:05] <scriptkitty> anders_ cannot either
[03:08] <anders_> scriptkitty: what's the output of "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom"?
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> Has any1 here gotten k3b to work under Ubuntu?
[03:12] <bob2> lots of people have.
[03:13] <bob2> run k3bsetup under sudo.
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> I need help - it wont work for me
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> Whats the trick?
[03:13] <bob2> what doesn't work?
[03:13] <pmjdebruijn> bob2: or suid?
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> k2b setup gives an error
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> hold on...
[03:13] <bob2> Phr0stByte: are you running it with sudo?
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> I will tell you exactly....
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> yes
[03:14] <bob2> "sudo k3bsetup"?
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> yes
[03:14] <joolz> does anyone know hoe I can use alpha blending? Someone told me that gnome 2.8 supports it...
[03:14] <joolz> s/hoe/how/
[03:14] <bob2> joolz: alpha-blending of what?
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> bob2: Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found.
[03:14] <joolz> applications
[03:15] <bob2> joolz: warty does not support translucent windows, if that's what you mean
[03:15] <joolz> windows...
[03:15] <joolz> etc
[03:15] <joolz> bob2: that's what i meant yes... Isn't this a gnome 2.8 feature?
[03:15] <bob2> joolz: no.
[03:15] <bob2> it's a feature of the X server, and xfree86 doesn't support it.
[03:15] <bob2> X.org's server does, and that will be in hoary.
[03:16] <bob2> anders_: Phr0stByte nothing in the list archives or wiki?
[03:16] <joolz> bob2: ah, great. Is there a release schedule somewhere? :)
[03:16] <bob2> joolz: yes, on wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[03:16] <joolz> bob2: tx
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> bob2: no
[03:16] <anders_> bob2: not last time I checked
[03:17] <anders_> bob2: I guess it's some of kde needs installing, but I would like to keep it at a minimum
[03:17] <bob2> anders_: if k3b doesn't Depend on all the stuff it needs to work, it's a bug
[03:18] <anders_> bob2: yes
[03:18] <joolz>  April 11th 2005. I'll try to be patient :)
[03:18] <bob2> anders_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?action=highlight&value=k3b
[03:19] <bob2> anders_: does that work (not that I can imagine why it woulde ;)?
[03:19] <bob2> joolz: it will be available for testing well before then
[03:19] <joolz> yes, i saw it
[03:20] <scriptkitty> Problem solved by mkdir /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 followed by chmod 
[03:20] <anders_> bob2: nope
[03:21] <anders_> bob2: maybe search for kcmshell in package list?
[03:24] <Phr0stByte> anders_: I gave up on it - I just made a script for burning video DVDs under cl.
[03:24] <anders_> Phr0stByte: :)
[03:25] <Phr0stByte> anders_: Do you need it?
[03:25] <anders_> Phr0stByte: yes please
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> anders_: #!/bin/sh
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> # Create an AUDIO_TS subdirectory if it does not exist
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> [ ! -d AUDIO_TS ]  && mkdir AUDIO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chown -R root:root AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chmod 500 AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> chmod 400 VIDEO_TS/*
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video
[03:27] <anders_> Phr0stByte: thanks :)
[03:27] <Phr0stByte> anders_: np
[03:28] <wza> anyone know a place for additional apt rep's?
[03:28] <bob2> wza: of what?
[03:29] <wza> software repositories. I'm just reading that it's not a good idea to use debian repositories
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> wza: they are OK for individual packages you may need - I wouldnt try a dist-upgrade from Synaptic with those sources uncommented though
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> *been
[03:34] <bob2> wza: what isn't in universe?
[03:38] <Jet2k5> hello
[03:39] <Jet2k5> how come ' mv ' is a known ID or something?
[03:39] <wza> ok, i'll try it out, thnx
[03:39] <bob2> "known ID"?
[03:39] <Jet2k5> ah nvm
[03:39] <Jet2k5> I typed something wrong
[03:39] <Jet2k5> anyhow
[03:40] <Jet2k5> what do I do for kernel-source
[03:40] <Jet2k5> from kernel.org?
[03:40] <spiv> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:41] <Jet2k5> ah
[03:41] <Jet2k5> ok
[03:41] <Jet2k5> sorry guys I'm totally new to this stuff
[03:41] <Jet2k5> specially debian
[03:41] <bob2> what do you want the source for?
[03:41] <Jet2k5> recompile ther kernel
[03:41] <Jet2k5> to compile the radeon drivers into the kernel
[03:41] <bob2> how come?
[03:41] <bob2> er, why?
[03:41] <Jet2k5> it's really the only thing that makes my vide card work decent
[03:42] <bob2> I use the radeon driver fine with an ubuntu kernel
[03:42] <Jet2k5> what video card do you have
[03:42] <bob2> a radeon.
[03:43] <spiv> Jet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <Phr0stByte> bob2: he said what card do you have not what type
[03:44] <bob2> er, don't all radeon's use the same DRI module?
[03:44] <Jet2k5> I have the MObility m6
[03:44] <bob2> this is a 9200 or so
[03:44] <spiv> Jet2k5: Works for me with my Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
[03:44] <Phr0stByte> bob2: er, yes.
[03:44] <Jet2k5> spiv, I'll check it out, but it probably desont' support my card
[03:44] <Jet2k5> it only supports from about M9 and up
[03:44] <andi84> huhu
[03:44] <daniels> firegl can be incredibly painful to intsall.
[03:45] <Jet2k5> I can see that
[03:45] <andi84> how can i install gdesklets??
[03:45] <daniels> Jet2k5: what's the problem you're having with the current radeon driver?
[03:45] <Phr0stByte> daniels: try getting a Wacom device installed....
[03:45] <andi84> synaptic doens find the package
[03:45] <daniels> Jet2k5: m6 should work flawlessly.
[03:45] <bob2> andi84: it's in the gdesklet package in universe.
[03:45] <daniels> Phr0stByte: heh
[03:45] <andi84> universe?
[03:46] <Jet2k5> daniels, very very low frames from what I'm used to
[03:46] <Jet2k5> In mandrake after I recompiled the kernel I got about 4000 frames
[03:46] <bob2> andi84: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=universe
[03:46] <Jet2k5> now I only get about 1500
[03:46] <daniels> Jet2k5: with glxgears?
[03:46] <Jet2k5> most games run shitty
[03:46] <andi84> oh thanks
[03:46] <Jet2k5> daniels, yup
[03:46] <daniels> Jet2k5: if you want to put up your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I could take a look at it
[03:47] <daniels> Jet2k5: that indicates to me that your 3D isn't working at all with the free driver, which it should just fine
[03:48] <Jet2k5> ok, well I just kind installed this fglrx
[03:49] <Jet2k5> should I give that a try?
[03:49] <Jet2k5> brb let me see if it works or not
[03:49] <bob2> andi84: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to
[03:50] <bob2> andi84: which part of that guide wasn't clear?
[03:50] <andi84> it was clear
[03:50] <bob2> oh, you want help with gdesklets itself?
[03:51] <andi84> yep
[03:51] <bob2> run the gdesklets program, then right click on the gdesklet .desktop files, click "run with other..." (or whatever) and use gdesklets again
[03:52] <andi84> thanks a lot
[03:52] <spiv> Jet2k5: any luck?
[03:52] <Jet2k5> no that didn't work, neither did the radeon, just made it much slower
[03:52] <Jet2k5> guess the radeon is a module
[03:52] <bob2> does firegl really require a kernel module?
[03:52] <Jet2k5> the only thing I know that will fix it is to recompile the kernel
[03:53] <Jet2k5> so what do I do to get the kernel source again?
[03:53] <bob2> again, you don't need the source to build modules
[03:53] <bob2> get linux-headers-2.6.8.1
[03:53] <Jet2k5> well I just compile the kernel
[03:53] <Jet2k5> huh?
[03:53] <bob2> build the module against that
[03:54] <Jet2k5> no, that's just making me more confused
[03:54] <Jet2k5> just give me the kernel source
[03:54] <bob2> spiv told you already
[03:54] <spiv> bob2: there's an fglrx kernel module.
[03:54] <bob2> scroll up
[03:54] <Jet2k5> no
[03:54] <Jet2k5> I closed down the window
[03:54] <spiv> bob2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto describes how to install it...
[03:54] <Jet2k5> didn't you see me leave?
[03:55] <spiv> ...although it doesn't point out that you need to reboot or manually modprobe it the first time.
[03:56] <Jet2k5> so....?
[03:56] <daniels> Jet2k5: why do you need to recompile your kernel?
[03:57] <Jet2k5> to compile ther radeon modules into the kernel
[03:57] <daniels> Jet2k5: if you put your XFree86.0.log somewhere I can get at it, I can probably help you with this
[03:57] <daniels> there's already a pre-built fglrx module, and a pre-built radeon module
[03:57] <Jet2k5> dude trust me it doesnt work
[03:57] <daniels> yes, so if neither of these work, recompiling won't help any
[03:57] <Jet2k5> I've spent about 6 months adding options and different things and nothign happeneds
[03:57] <daniels> if you can get me your log file, I'll probably be able to tell you what your real problem is.
[03:57] <Jet2k5> if you say so
[03:57] <Jet2k5> ok
[03:57] <daniels> if not, there's nothing I can do
[03:57] <Jet2k5> let me PM you
[03:57] <daniels> 'k
[03:58] <Jet2k5> id you get it?
[03:58] <daniels> nope
[04:03] <Jet2k5> what happened?
[04:05] <Jet2k5> spiv, so what's the command again?
[04:05] <daniels> Jet2k5: i'm waiting for your log to come through
[04:06] <spiv> Jet2k5: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:06] <mir> I cannot find unrar/rar in the ubuntu reps. Does it not exist or is it hidden in some other package ?
[04:07] <tuo2> hey canonical guys... is there a security team leader yet?
[04:07] <bob2> mir: it's not in ubuntu
[04:07] <mir> bob2: How sad.. 
[04:07] <daniels> mir: patent-encumbered
[04:07] <mir> daniels: unarar is freeware
[04:07] <tuo2> daniels: liked the website.. pitty about the kitties..
[04:08] <bob2> tuo2: it'll be announced on the website when it is
[04:08] <daniels> mir: yes, but there are outstanding patents on rar which make it very difficult to distribute
[04:08] <bob2> er, "when there is one"
[04:08] <tuo2> coolies.
[04:08] <daniels> tuo2: indeed. :\
[04:08] <crash_> what is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable?
[04:08] <bob2> there's a Free unrar in Debian now, and a unrar-nonfree package which handles newer ones
[04:08] <Mithrandir> crash_: unstable
[04:08] <bob2> crash_: unstable from june
[04:09] <crash_> Mithrandir,bob2 thx
[04:09] <crash_> so then i cnause another debian repos instead of ubuntu own repo?
[04:09] <crash_> can use
[04:09] <bob2> crash_: no
[04:09] <bob2> crash_: it might work, but debian nor ubuntu can help you if it doesn't
[04:09] <crash_> ok
[04:10] <tuo2> bob2: thanks.
[04:10] <crash_> beacuse ubuntus repo dosen't have every package that the debian repos have
[04:10] <bob2> np.
[04:10] <bob2> crash_: universe should have almost all of them.
[04:10] <bob2> crash_: if one you want is missing, you can request it be added
[04:10] <tuo2> Just seeing when and where is the appropriate place to offer my megre services.
[04:11] <crash_> bob2:aah i see
[04:11] <crash_> i like ubuntu very much is fast and it has a updated gnome version
[04:12] <crash_> everything you need
[04:12] <Jet2k5> spiv, what does that link have to do with anything?
[04:13] <spiv> Jet2k5: The steps listed under "ATI".
[04:13] <Jet2k5> I did
[04:13] <Jet2k5> I'm talking for ' kernel-source ' I didn't catch the command you said
[04:14] <spiv> Jet2k5: it's in the linux-source package... but what's the name of the module you said you wanted to comile?
[04:14] <spiv> compile, rather?
[04:14] <Jet2k5> radeon, nvg/ram , ALi chipset, ATI chipset and a few other options
[04:14] <Jet2k5> for my laptop
[04:19] <spiv> Jet2k5: Most of those modules should already be compiled into the ubuntu kernel...
[04:19] <spiv> e.g.
[04:20] <bob2> they all are
[04:20] <spiv> $ sudo modprobe -l radeon
[04:20] <spiv> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko
[04:22] <spiv> Jet2k5: Seriously, I doubt you need to compile, let alone recompile, anything :)
[04:22] <blumax__> I'm new to Ubuntu/Debian. Can a RPM package be installed in Ubuntu?
[04:23] <bob2> yes, but it's generally a bad idea.
[04:23] <bob2> what do you want to install?
[04:23] <blumax__> a game called "Advanced Strategic Command"
[04:23] <spiv> blumax__: There's a program called "alien" that can convert rpms to debs, but it's pretty rough.
[04:23] <Mithrandir> Jet2k5: please turn off public away.
[04:24] <bob2> Jet2k5: please don't use public away in here.
[04:24] <Jet2k5> ok...
[04:24] <blumax__> hmmm.... Ok , thanks
[04:28] <giorsat> does anybody know why when I connect to internet with a dial up modem and the network tool veverything works fine while if I use the gnome applet the modem gives a busy signal?
[04:28] <joha> Hi all!
[04:29] <defendguin> i need to edit the gnome menu can it be done?
[04:29] <bob2> defendguin: applications:/// in nautilus
[04:29] <defendguin> bob2, they for rid of the start here thing?
[04:30] <bob2> defendguin: hm?
[04:30] <defendguin> obxiously its not on the desktop
[04:30] <bob2> defendguin: off the desktop?
[04:30] <defendguin> obviously
[04:30] <bob2> right
[04:32] <jlg> I just try ubuntu hello to all
[04:32] <defendguin> they might thing about having a link to applications:/// somewhere in the computer menu
[04:32] <joha_> Damn, flew out
[04:33] <joha_> Did somebody answer me?
[04:33] <bob2> you didn't ask a question
[04:34] <jlg> i know i will be hated but is there a way to install kde on ubuntu
[04:34] <bob2> install the kde package
[04:34] <bob2> after enabling universe.
[04:34] <spiv> jlg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde
[04:35] <bob2> ah, handy short names
[04:35] <joha_> bob2: Then it didn't get through.
[04:35] <jlg> i know t u bob but it does not work i i have an empty screen
[04:35] <joha_> I installed Ubuntu on three boxes so far, but now this one is having a problem.
[04:35] <spiv> bob2: The wonders of "site:ubuntulinux.org kde" in google ;)
[04:36] <bob2> spiv: haha
[04:36] <joha_> GNOME hangs showing its splashscreen (only with the session manager proxy icon) and doesn`t do anything. Failsafe terminal works...
[04:36] <bob2> spiv: I tried searching the website, but it the results were a tad plone-heavy :-p
[04:36] <spiv> joha_: Sounds like a sound issue... lemme see if I can find the bug.
[04:36] <joha_> spiv: Okay, cool
[04:37] <jlg> I will try again so 
[04:38] <spiv> joha_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1943
[04:38] <joha_> Thanks spiv
[04:39] <spiv> joha_: I think that's the bug I was thinking of... let us know if it doesn't describe your problem.
[04:39] <joha_> Okay
[04:39] <joha_> Just a minute
[04:40] <crash__> how do i edit grub?
[04:41] <spiv> crash__: /etc/grub/menu.lst, iirc.
[04:42] <crash__> hmm i don't see grub in /etc
[04:42] <spiv> Oh, /boot/grub/menu.lst, sorry :)
[04:43] <joha_> spiv: Sorry, there's an audio device present, and it even works (tested using gstreamer-properties)
[04:43] <crash__> spiv, thx
[04:44] <spiv> joha_: Drat.
[04:45] <spiv> joha_: Just in case, does the workaround in comment #12 help?
[04:46] <slightly> helo
[04:46] <slightly> *hello
[04:47] <slightly> I have a question about ubuntu installation, if anyone's able to answer
[04:47] <giorsat> why an aac file ( imported from an ipod works on xine but it doesn't on rhythmbox? am I wrong?
[04:47] <joha_> spiv: Second
[04:48] <spiv> slightly: Ask, and we'll find out if we can answer it :)
[04:49] <joha_> spiv: No :(
[04:49] <slightly> i have a 400MHz Apple TiBook, I've installed Warty from the CD image, the installer updated all the packages, and when I boot into it (using "l" in the bootstrap) I get music and my screen kind of turns flowing white
[04:49] <slightly> ...and I can't find a way out of it
[04:49] <TongMaster> heya spiv
[04:51] <crash__> hmm i can't get write acess on this mounted drive
[04:51] <crash__> mount -t vfat -o rw,users,auto,exec,umask=022 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/mp
[04:52] <crash__> what are am doing wrong?
[04:52] <Jet2k5_> hey daniels nothing 
[04:56] <slightly> could it be a compatibility problem with my video card?
[04:58] <spiv> slightly: Maybe, although several ubuntu devs have mac laptops of various flavours, so they should work quite well.
[04:58] <spiv> slightly: It's probably worth posting to the list or filing a bug report, because no-one who knows the answer seems to be up :/
[04:59] <joha_> spiv: That comment didn't help...
[05:01] <daniels> joha_: does running rm -rf /tmp/*-$(whoami) ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority /tmp/.ICE-unix/*, help at all?
[05:02] <spiv> daniels: yow, did you type that monster out from memory? :)
[05:02] <daniels> spiv: yeah :)
[05:02] <daniels> (could be contracted to ~/.{X,ICE}authority)
[05:02] <joha_> daniels: second
[05:02] <Jet2k5_> ok
[05:02] <Jet2k5_> so now the last resort
[05:03] <Jet2k5_> what's the command again?
[05:03] <daniels> spiv: used to be an alias -- KDE is particularly suseptible to that sort of breakage, and when your X libs/server is more broken than not ...
[05:04] <joha_> daniels: Nope, doesn't work.
[05:04] <Jet2k5_> daniels, so what's the command?
[05:04] <daniels> Jet2k5_: which command?
[05:05] <spiv> Jet2k5_: sudo apt-get install linux-source kernel-package.  But every module you said you wanted to build is already in the ubuntu kernel, afaict.
[05:05] <Jet2k5_> kernel source
[05:05] <slightly> spiv: thanks, i'll post to the list
[05:05] <daniels> joha_: bugger
[05:05] <Jet2k5_> spiv, ok...
[05:05] <joha_> Jet2k5_: rm -rf /tmp/[.,] * will do the job as well
[05:05] <joha_> At least for a new installation
[05:06] <spiv> Jet2k5_: did you reboot or modprobe fglrx after following the BinaryDriverHwoto instructions?
[05:07] <Jet2k5_> no
[05:09] <spiv> Jet2k5_: Ok, that was an oversight in the instructions on that wiki page that I've since corrected :)
[05:09] <Jet2k5_> I'll try right after I'm done with the download
[05:10] <spiv> The instructions as  they were wouldn't have actually loaded the fglrx kernel module until a reboot.
[05:10] <joha_> daniels: Yes.
[05:17] <sertmann> anyone got the propetary nvidia drivers working in ubuntu?
[05:17] <joha_> g
[05:17] <joha_> Sorry. That was Steffen.
[05:17] <joha_> Hmm
[05:17] <mir> Anyone with experiance of burning bin/cue files in ubuntu ?
[05:18] <joha_> I'll do apt-get upgrade and see if that helps with my gnome problem.
[05:18] <joha_> later
[05:18] <wza> how install fonts in ubuntu?
[05:18] <mir> cdrdao write --device ATAPI:0,1,0  <filename>.cue I Get:
[05:18] <mir> ERROR: Cannot prevent/allow medium removal.
[05:19] <Jet2k5_> anhhhow spiv, FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[05:21] <spiv> Jet2k5_: try 'sudo depmod -a' ?
[05:21] <spiv> Hang on, was this error from X or from modprobe?
[05:22] <Jet2k5_> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[05:25] <Jet2k5_> still the same thing
[05:26] <spiv> (sorry, my net connection dropped out for a minute)
[05:29] <spiv> Jet2k5_: have you installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686?
[05:29] <Jet2k5_> no
[05:29] <spiv> Ok, you need to :)
[05:30] <spiv> That's what the "Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1
[05:30] <spiv>    1.
[05:30] <spiv> " thing on the siki is about :)
[05:30] <spiv> s/siki/wiki/
[05:45] <sertmann> can i use the debian kernel headers in ubuntu?
[05:45] <sertmann> sorta need them for my nvidia driver
[05:46] <Mithrandir> sertmann: why?  Have you read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[05:46] <sertmann> nope
[05:46] <sertmann> but i will now
[05:46] <sertmann> ;)
[05:46] <spiv> sertmann: :)
[05:47] <yyc747> any word on when the Ubuntu livecd will be out?
[05:48] <daniels> yyc747: i believe there's a live cd ready to use today
[05:50] <spiv> yyc747: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000001.html
[05:50] <mayco> are there any plans on packaging gstreamer 0.87 and totem 0.99.17?
[05:51] <tseng> mayco: done and done
[05:51] <tseng> read the mailinglist archive
[05:51] <mayco> tseng, wow, nice, what archive do i need to check? users?
[05:52] <tseng> hm id tell you
[05:52] <tseng> but firefox decided it is going to crash on gmail today
[05:52] <tseng> wtf
[05:53] <tseng> it either -users or -devel
[05:53] <mayco> "gstreamer/totem: new packages"
[05:53] <tseng> ok, gstreamer/totem: new packages to -devel
[05:54] <mayco> nice
[05:54] <sertmann> ah, thx that worked for the nvidia drivers, now can someone then help me on a resolution higher than 640x480?
[05:54] <mayco> thanks :)
[05:54] <tseng> nps
[05:58] <malte`> hi
[05:58] <malte`> i've got an old Acer Travelmate 212 and when i shut down the system it reboots instead...
[05:58] <malte`> i tried pci=noacpi or noapic or both but it's the same thing
[05:58] <malte`> should i fill a bug report?
[05:59] <mjr> is there a way to show the debian menu in the gnome menus?
[05:59] <bob2> mjr: yes.
[06:00] <bob2> erm
[06:00] <bob2> malte`: yes.
[06:01] <malte`> bob2: if i pass 'noacpi apm' will i get full apm support?
[06:01] <mjr> should I take that as a "no"? :)
[06:01] <bob2> malte`: I don't know.  does loading the apm module help?
[06:01] <bob2> mjr: I'm almost certain the answer is no
[06:02] <bob2> but ask on ubuntu-user to be sure.
[06:02] <mayco> i've noticed there won't be a gstreamer-ffmpeg package, is there a way to install it so i can view non-free encoded movies?
[06:02] <mjr> (it uses the scummvm)
[06:02] <bob2>         command="/usr/games/scummvm -p /usr/share/scummvm/beneath-a-steel-sky sky"
[06:02] <bob2> run that.
[06:03] <mjr> yes, I know
[06:06] <backdoc> I'm trying the live CD on a Dell Latitude D800.  It has an Nvidia card with a screen resolution of 1920X1200.  I can get the CD to come up to the default 1024x768.  But, if I try to use the Nvidia driver, there is no 1920X1200 option.  So, I tried modifying the Grub parameters.  When X tries to start, Ubuntu just reboots.  Any suggestions?  TIA
[06:08] <tardmac> backdoc: you have to modify the X11 config file
[06:09] <backdoc> tardmac:  as one of the grub boot parameters?  
[06:09] <tardmac> umm
[06:09] <tardmac> i dunno
[06:11] <backdoc> tardmac:  I tried modifying the XF86Config after starting in 1024x768 by copying it from my existing Mandrake partition.  But, if I do ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X, Ubuntu restarts.
[06:11] <bob2> backdoc: your monitor can do 1920x1200?
[06:12] <backdoc> bob2:  Yes.  Sometimes it's a PITA.
[06:12] <bob2> that must be one bloody big screen
[06:12] <backdoc> bob2:  It's 15.4"
[06:13] <bob2> jesus christ
[06:15] <backdoc> bob2:  Auto-configuration is not very well supported in Linux
[06:17] <joha> Hi 
[06:17] <bob2> it doesn't do DDC? suck.
[06:17] <joha> GNOME works now; an apt-get upgrade solved the problem.
[06:17] <joha> But what do I have to do in order to be able to watch a DVD?
[06:17] <bob2> you need to install libdvdcss.
[06:17] <joha> Thanks
[06:17] <bob2> which will make you a criminal in many countries.
[06:18] <joha> Oh
[06:18] <joha> Hmm
[06:18] <joha> Synaptic doesn't show it. What repository do I want?
[06:19] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu for legal reasons
[06:19] <joha> Well, where then?
[06:19] <bob2> I'm not sure.  nothing in the wiki?
[06:19] <joha> Hmm
[06:19] <joha> Lemme see
[06:20] <joha> Oh and what software do I need for software development (*-dev, gcc, etc...)
[06:20] <bob2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=dvd
[06:21] <bob2> installing the build-essential package will get you a basic toolchain
[06:21] <bob2> install whatever other -dev packages you need as you need them
[06:21] <joha> Okay, thanks
[06:22] <joolz> what would be the default rss reader for U? Liferea?
[06:22] <joolz> s/default/best choice/
[06:28] <sertmann> when the monitor says 50-60 Hz on the back is the hsync or vrefresh?
[06:29] <Zero-G> that's the frequency of the alternating current that powers it
[06:29] <sertmann> dogh
[06:29] <sertmann> is there any way to find those numbers when you have a no-name monitor?
[06:29] <Zero-G> probing, or guessing
[06:30] <sertmann> the ones ubunto detects will only let me run 640x480
[06:30] <sertmann> what's the command for probing?
[06:30] <tseng> xresprobe <driver>
[06:30] <sertmann> so..... xresprobe nvidia?
[06:31] <simka> xresprobe nv probably
[06:31] <sertmann> nah changed it from nv to nvidia allready
[06:31] <simka> owh sorry :)
[06:32] <sertmann> hmmm
[06:32] <sertmann> that just lists a whole lot of resolutions....
[06:32] <sertmann> and freq is blank
[06:32] <sertmann> :/
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: well, have you ever used this monitor before?
[06:33] <sertmann> yeah
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: at what resolution?
[06:33] <sertmann> 1024x768
[06:33] <sertmann> in debian
[06:33] <sertmann> for allmost two years
[06:33] <yyc747> sertmann: then try going into XF86Config and changing the resolution to 1024x768
[06:34] <sertmann> did that allready
[06:34] <yyc747> sertmann: and does it run at that resolution?
[06:34] <sertmann> and it just continues to boot up in 640x4880
[06:34] <sertmann> 480
[06:34] <sertmann> nope
[06:34] <daniels> it's OK for freq to be blank
[06:34] <sertmann> if i could just get it to run 1024x768 i would be a happy boy
[06:34] <yyc747> sertmann: hmmm.... post the config file on rafb.net/paste so I can have a look at it
[06:34] <daniels> what does 'sudo xresprobe nv' say?
[06:35] <sertmann> same as xresprobe nvidia
[06:35] <sertmann> just gives 10 differnts res. and no freq.
[06:36] <sertmann> no id either
[06:36] <viridis`> hi all
[06:36] <sertmann> pretty weird really
[06:36] <sertmann>  since i thought debian and ubunto was pretty similar...
[06:36] <viridis`> can anybody say me, why freepascal isn't included in ubuntu?
[06:36] <daniels> sertmann: is 1024x768 in that list of frequencies?
[06:36] <joha> Erm, somebody I believe had prepared mono packages for Ubuntu; where are they to be found?
[06:36] <sertmann> jup
[06:37] <sertmann> res: 2777x2721 2721x2721 2288x1830 1536x1228 1536x960 1535x2721 1280x1024 1024x768 928x742 800x600 784x784 720x400 640x480 <--- tried removing anything below 1024x768 in the XF86config-4 file, and that didn't help either
[06:37] <daniels> sertmann: if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root, there will be a 'Option "HorizSync"' and 'Option "VertSync"' (or such) lines in the Monitor section; if you remove them, can you get 1024x768?
[06:37] <daniels> wow, 2777x2721, that's bizzare
[06:37] <daniels> your monitor is wacky
[06:37] <sertmann> daniels: did that allready
[06:38] <sertmann> no vain
[06:38] <daniels> sertmann: wow, bong.  looks like X doesn't like your monitor.  does putting in 'Option "NoDDC"' in the Device section help at all?
[06:38] <daniels> (might be in the Monitor section -- try both)
[06:38] <sertmann> dunno.... lemme check
[06:40] <sertmann> gonna log-out and in and see if this helps
[06:41] <sertmann> he
[06:41] <sertmann> nope
[06:41] <sertmann> still 640x480
[06:43] <sertmann> HorizSync 28-33, vertRefresh  43-72 <- does those seem reasonable?
[06:44] <daniels> sertmann: they seem way too low
[06:44] <daniels> if they're in the config file, you should delete them
[06:44] <Treenaks> daniels: "NoDDCValue" for via_drv
[06:44] <daniels> Treenaks: thanks
[06:44] <sertmann> did that.... i've deleted them, they from the .bak file of the orignial config...
[06:45] <sertmann> but apparently it's what ubuntu detected
[06:45] <daniels> yeah
[06:48] <omluce> hi everyone!
[06:50] <omluce> I have just installed ubuntu on my PC but when the GNOME desktop is launched the computer hangs
[06:50] <jacob> Is there a way to reset what actions aptitude should perform?
[06:50] <AndersAA> omluce: problem with the soundcard probably
[06:51] <AndersAA> omluce: on boot click ctrl + alt + f1, login as your user, and write sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[06:51] <AndersAA> I think the upgrade you need is gnome-control-center
[06:51] <AndersAA> and it should boot right up :)
[06:51] <omluce> a black screen appears
[06:51] <AndersAA> well that doesn't sound like the soundcard
[06:51] <AndersAA> does the login program come up?
[06:52] <omluce> nope
[06:52] <AndersAA> well, that's probably a problem with X
[06:52] <AndersAA> ie it fails to detect something (normally it'd give you a warning though, not a black screen)
[06:53] <omluce> I thought it was the GART
[06:53] <omluce> I've got nForce chipset
[06:54] <sri> is anybody gonna updated evo?  apparently evo crashes on me because there is no default addressbook
[06:54] <AndersAA> what kind of display adapter?
[06:54] <sri> it made me "restart" my whole evo config
[06:54] <omluce> nVidia GeForce 4 Ti
[06:55] <AndersAA> it should be able to use the standard nv driver without any problems
[06:55] <AndersAA> but sorry man, I gotta go, good luck fixing it
[06:55] <omluce> ok thanks
[06:55] <omluce> have a nice day
[06:58] <jacob> So, no way to "reset" aptitudes action list of what to do when hitting "g" ?
[06:59] <omluce> could anybody help me on configuring X
[07:03] <jazzka> I'added universe to my source.list
[07:03] <tclhal2> anyone know how to make a desktop computer standby?  I get no APM support in kernel.
[07:04] <jazzka> how can I know if a program is on ubuntu's collection, or in universe?
[07:04] <mjr> desktops generally don't do APM, afaik, so ACPI is the key word here. Don't know spesifics, though.
[07:04] <malte`> there's the ubuntu icon near the package name if you use synaptic
[07:04] <malte`> i don't know using aptitude
[07:05] <tclhal2> OK I hoping there would be a gnome acpi icon or something or desktop config that would allow a standby after x minutes
[07:15] <irc_monkey> does ubntu have good laptop support?
[07:15] <tseng> yes.
[07:15] <irc_monkey> what about ATI drivers
[07:15] <tseng> yes.
[07:15] <irc_monkey> cool thanks
[07:18] <nash> Q..
[07:19] <bmsleight> Hi All, I just popped in while I'm doing an install.
[07:20] <pepsi> oo BOON too
[07:23] <jazzka> how can I install java runtime environment? I cant find the package...
[07:23] <nash> hi guys i got i question.... why there is no root password in ubutu some programs dont understand that the user geven at the installation is the root user like k3bsetup...
[07:24] <kaplanfx> nash: sudo
[07:25] <nash> thanks
[07:27] <malte`> jazzka: it's a FAQ, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[07:29] <Mitario> heya
[07:29] <Mitario> what was the right way to get java working in firefox again?
[07:31] <Phr0stByte> Mitario: ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[07:32] <Mitario> where do I get the java runtime from :)
[07:32] <pepsi> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[07:45] <yohan> anybody here ever installed LIRC in ubuntu ??
[07:45] <yohan> its giving me errors ?
[07:48] <DXT> hi, after doing 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win' i can browse the partition using the shell, but in nautilus i see the main folders as plain unusable files, what do i do?
[07:48] <eroadcap> Has anyone tried ubuntu's KDE packages?  Impressions?
[07:50] <Skif> so I just installed from a sounder 9 cd, and when I run aptitude there are a number of packages on hold; is this for a reason?
[07:53] <jazzka> how to choose? J2SE 5.0 or J2SE 1.4.2 ??
[08:09] <riffic> hi i'm having a vmware client issue
[08:09] <riffic> guest I should say
[08:09] <riffic> after installing the vmware tools x fails to start
[08:11] <riffic> cannot open device /dev/mouse no such file or directory
[08:11] <riffic> and it fails after that in the XFree86.0.log
[08:11] <SamBozo> http://www.vmware.com/community/search!execute.jspa?dateRange=last90days&q=no+x+after+vmware+tool+install
[08:11] <SamBozo> maybe ??
[08:11] <riffic> no core pointer, failed to initialize core devices yadda yadda
[08:12] <saw27> Just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. It didn't ask whether my hwclock is UTC or localtime. Would it make sense for the installer to ask this if it detects another OS installed too?
[08:13] <riffic> nothing usefull there, SamBozo 
[08:13] <SamBozo> sorry
[08:13] <pedro_g> in my xf86conf the mouse is /dev/input/mice 
[08:13] <pedro_g> do you have a device /dev/mouse?
[08:14] <riffic> no /dev/mouse but /dev/input/mice is valid
[08:14] <riffic> editing and testing
[08:14] <andril> hello all
[08:15] <jazzka> I cant believe java is so hard to install on linux. This is very sad
[08:15] <bmsleight> jazzka: Whats the problem ? Can I help ?
[08:15] <riffic> looks like its working, thanks pedro
[08:16] <pedro_g> np
[08:16] <jazzka> bmsleight, I'm following this: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[08:16] <riffic> woot, tools installed
[08:16] <andril> anyone having issues with sound?
[08:16] <riffic> i'm liking this distro.. very slick
[08:16] <bmsleight> jazzka: at what point are your stuck ?
[08:16] <riffic> i just might replace my gentoo install with it
[08:16] <riffic> =)
[08:16] <andril> By far the best....
[08:17] <bmsleight> jazzka: I did a install last night and it work for me. 
[08:17] <jazzka> bmsleight, which method did you use?
[08:17] <andril> Kamion: have you heard of any sound issues?
[08:17] <jazzka> bmsleight, I'm downloading the sdk, but the list of things to do is amazing!
[08:18] <bmsleight> jazzka: See http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.jsp#install-pkg
[08:18] <jazzka> bmsleight, ok
[08:19] <pedro_g> can't my pen drive to mount - anybody else run into any problems - says it can't find a valid file system
[08:20] <Tux234> Sup evrybody
[08:20] <nash> jazzka: just mkdir /usr/java download java to /usr/java dir chmod +x, run it then export the bin dir inside java to your path i hope it will work for u
[08:20] <Tux234> Is it ok to install debs from the universe
[08:21] <Tux234> any broken packages or anything
[08:25] <SamBozo> Tux234, worked for me .. but I just went and got what I wanted (bluefish and xfce4) then changed the sources back to hust warty
[08:25] <Tux234> Sweet thx
[08:25] <SamBozo> and didn't do any dist-upgrades <g>
[08:25] <Tux234> oh yeah where is the grub config file?
[08:25] <Tux234> i'm tryin to disable the timer
[08:25] <bmsleight> Cool, Complet installation in No time. Thanks, Ubuntu Team !
[08:26] <SamBozo> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <Tux234> thx
[08:26] <SamBozo> that is a L not a 1
[08:26] <Tux234> just comment to disable right?
[08:27] <SamBozo> yep
[08:28] <SamBozo> but u can set it higher and then just hit any key to pause the counter .. that way the reboot doesn't hang and wait for u
[08:28] <Tux234> ok thx
[08:28] <SamBozo> ..
[08:29] <kega> Hi all, I have a stupid question... how do I install get the kernel source (with apt-get?) Im trying to install nvidia display drivers
[08:29] <joem> kega, you only need headers for that
[08:30] <pedro_g> there are precompiled bins available too
[08:30] <kega> joem, Ok, How do I get them ?
[08:30] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:31] <kega> thanks joem, Ill try that :)
[08:33] <Tux234> just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>
[08:33] <Tux234> *?
[08:34] <joem> not in this releease
[08:35] <Tux234> ok cause I seen the splash quiet option in grub config file and didn't know if that meant there was supposed to be a bootsplash
[08:35] <Tux234> thx for the help guys :)
[08:35] <leonel> eit !  I have a Unbuntu linux installed  but only recognizes  256 mb ram and the computer has 384 MB  
[08:36] <leonel> and the same computer with fedora core 2 recognizes 384 mb
[08:37] <Zomb> leonel: bios problem. add mem=384M to the kernel options
[08:38] <leonel> Zomb: tried and    error says    theres no room for that
[08:38] <Zomb> leonel: and who says error?
[08:39] <leonel> grub at boot time
[08:39] <leonel> let me see the correct message
[08:39] <leonel> is
[08:39] <leonel> Error 28  Selecterd item cannot fit into memory
[08:42] <saw27> Is there a searchable web archive of ubuntu-users postings?
[08:43] <Zomb> well, grub sucks IMHO
[08:46] <DXT> that's a pretty rough generalization
[08:46] <pedro_g> anybody having trouble with usbpendrives?
[08:47] <DXT> [20:33]  <Tux234> just one more question is ubuntu supposed to have a bootsplash>
[08:47] <DXT> [20:33]  <Tux234> *?
[08:47] <DXT> too much of a small issue, and for a PR
[08:47] <DXT> i mean, no
[08:47] <DXT> :p
[08:47] <DXT> (miread the question)
[08:47] <DXT> mis*
[08:48] <eaino> does anyone know how to enable hinting in freetype? 
[08:54] <Tux234> bbiab
[08:55] <jazzka> bmsleight, thanks! I now can run java applets!
[08:56] <Zomb> DXT: that is what I have experienced so far. More trouble than advantages.
[08:57] <Zindar> can anyone help with a cups problem?
[08:58] <DXT> zomb most distros dont have a bootslplash :| and besides you can do one yourself (not an easy matter at all though..)
[08:58] <Zomb> DXT: that was about grub
[08:59] <DXT> oh bla im a bit off :p
[08:59] <DXT> what's wrong with grub?
[09:00] <Zindar> I have a cups server that broadcasts it's info,,, mac:s finds it automaticaly, SuSE boxes finds it automaticaly.. but my ubuntu laptop does NOT...
[09:00] <Zindar> I can see that it broadcasts it's info...
[09:00] <Qerub> Is it possible to change the icon size in gnome-panel (without touching the source code)?
[09:01] <Zomb> DXT: it does too many weird things. grub-install kills my kernel, and on a friends machine it fscked the windows partition.
[09:01] <Zomb> and there are no real advantages
[09:02] <DXT> ubuntu is just an updated Debian with an emphasis on gnome (which i prefer over KDE) plus it got more stuff 'out-of-teh-box', but i didnt play with it too much really to decide that
[09:06] <pedro_g> qerub right click on the panel - select properties and adjust the size there
[09:07] <Qerub> pedro_g: I mean the icons in the Programs and Computer menus.
[09:07] <Qerub> Program even.
[09:08] <kega> I cant get my nvidia drivers to work properly, I installed them according to this how-to (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto) and edited my config file to use driver nvidia. Still get 300fps in glxgears with a ti4200 card
[09:09] <Qerub> kega: How's the performance in real apps?
[09:10] <amerine> hello everyone
[09:11] <kega> Qerub, its ok I guess... any spec. app I can try with ?
[09:11] <Qerub> kega: tuxracer maybe.
[09:11] <pedro_g> qerub - i wonder if modifying the size in the themes would do it?  
[09:12] <kega> Qerub, Ok Ill try 
[09:12] <joha> Hi again
[09:12] <calc> i only get 144fps in glxgears, so 300 isn't too bad
[09:12] <Qerub> pedro_g: I'll try. Thanks.
[09:13] <kega> calc, Well I should get alot more than that with a ti4200
[09:13] <Qerub> kega, calc: I just got 674 with my ol' GF2MX.
[09:13] <joha> I got WLAN working without WEP, but my dad insists on using it on the router. Now I can get to work it WITH WEP. Can somebody help m,e?
[09:13] <joha> (The FAW entry doesn help either)
[09:13] <kega> Qerub, Dont have tuxracer Im afraid
[09:13] <Qerub> kega: Then install it.
[09:14] <calc> Qerub: yea i was using software to get 144
[09:15] <kega> Qerub, where can I get it? apt-get cant find it...
[09:16] <Zindar> joha: what's the problem?
[09:17] <eroadcap> Has anyone tried the KDE packages in universe?  If so, how are they?  OK? Buggy?
[09:17] <joha> Zindar: I entered the WEP key and the cards light is on constantly as it ought to be, but I dont get a DHCP lease.
[09:17] <joha> (When WEP is turned off on the router I do get a lease)
[09:18] <calc> WEP doesn't work much anyway
[09:19] <calc> aiui can be cracked in a few minutes
[09:19] <joha> Yes, I know. But my dad insists on using it anywy :-(
[09:19] <DXT> eroadcap: try them yourself and tell us later :)
[09:19] <joha> He said if I dont get it to weork I should use Windows :-(#
[09:19] <Noodles> WEP is better than nothing.
[09:19] <calc> Noodles: not really since it gives you a false sense of security
[09:19] <Noodles> No, I still wouldn't trust the wireless network.
[09:20] <calc> you have to treat WEP as if it was completely cleartext since its so trivial to break
[09:20] <Noodles> It adds an extra layer of difficulty though.
[09:20] <joha> Well, the point is I can't use the network connection right now because of it. So what can I have done wrong? The card is using the orinoco_cs module...
[09:20] <DXT> wireless networks will always be much less secure than wired, due to a simple fact: serious security - major reduced bandwidth - lack of interest
[09:21] <xptheweb> where to find the md5 for the different dowloads?
[09:21] <jazzka> when I run sudo, I would like to execute /root/.bashrc so the prompts change properly of color
[09:21] <jazzka> how can I do that?
[09:22] <DXT> unless they find another way to transmit packets over the air (which is full of noise)
[09:23] <Qerub> jazzka: add "[ $USER = root ]  && source /root/.bashrc" to your /home/user/.bashrc
[09:24] <jazzka> Qerub, anywhere in my .bashrc ?
[09:24] <Qerub> jazzka: well, after the default prompt is set up
[09:24] <Qerub> jazzka: so that it will override...
[09:26] <jazzka> Qerub, thanks!
[09:26] <joha> Is there nothing I can do about this WEP sh**?
[09:27] <Qerub> jazzka: did it work?
[09:27] <jazzka> yes
[09:28] <Qerub> joha: have you tried manually with iwconfig?
[09:28] <joha> Qerub: yes, the whole time. :-(
[09:29] <Qerub> joha: on the "router", do you set a wep key or wep password?
[09:30] <kega> Now It works, 15287 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3057.400 FPS :-)
[09:30] <joha> Qerub: a password from which a key is generated.
[09:31] <tck> i'm having problems setting up my usb keyring
[09:31] <DXT> anyone tried installing (compiling into kernel :|) the ATI drivers with ubuntu?
[09:31] <DXT> ooh fireworks brbrb
[09:31] <spiv> DXT: You don't need to compile them yourself.
[09:31] <tck> when i do lsusb it shows : 
[09:31] <tck> pluto:/proc/bus/usb# lsusb
[09:31] <tck> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 08ec:0010 M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers DiskOnKey
[09:32] <Qerub> joha: last time i checked, a couple of months ago, "passwords" were not supported.
[09:32] <spiv> DXT: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:32] <Qerub> kega: what did you do?
[09:32] <DXT> thanks!
[09:32] <DXT> is the APT ati driver updated? :\
[09:33] <joha> Qerub: well, iwconfig lets you enter "iwconfig eth1 key s:MyPassword". But I also tried entering the key manually (as generated by the router). Neither of those works.
[09:33] <DXT> Trevan: yep.. that's how it works
[09:33] <Qerub> joha: ok, then ignore me :)
[09:33] <DXT> did someone forgot to backup? :O)
[09:33] <willie> need a spot of post-intall help --- rebooted after inittial install and get to a gui login -- note havent been asked to set a root password yet --- no window manager selected  so its CtrlAlt+1 to get a console  -- but I can't get root!! What next?!?!?!!?
[09:33] <Trevan> No, I'm suitably paranoid.  Just seems boneheaded.
[09:34] <willie> anybody got a hint?
[09:34] <joem> willie, uh, read the faq
[09:34] <joem> root is off by default
[09:34] <DXT> ure right.. i thought the same thing myself, then i always backed my xf86 config
[09:34] <joem> the user you create has full sudo privs
[09:34] <willie> seems fair
[09:34] <kega> Qerub, Did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and added nvidia to /etc/modules and rebooted
[09:34] <DXT> btw why isn't Xorg in ubuntu?
[09:35] <riffic> license issues
[09:35] <tseng> ...
[09:35] <willie> joem thanks
[09:35] <DXT> yey
[09:35] <tseng> riffic: no?
[09:35] <riffic> joke.
[09:35] <tseng> DXT: because it was released after the freeze
[09:35] <DXT> laugh.
[09:35] <DXT> :P
[09:35] <Qerub> DXT: much work :)
[09:35] <tseng> riffic: not remotely funny.
[09:35] <tseng> FUD sucks.
[09:35] <DXT> food owns
[09:36] <Trevan> And I think the binary driver apt grabs is 3.14 DXT, but I'm not logged into my linux install atm so I can't check.
[09:36] <DXT> tseng: wow that means the freeze was a long time ago o_O
[09:36] <tseng> DXT, well, its not a very hard freeze, bugfixes are still going in now
[09:36] <tseng> but they have settled on the core components
[09:37] <tseng> changing the X system would be nuts in the middle of a release cycle.
[09:37] <joem> tseng, you mean no up to the minute glibc snapshots?!?
[09:37] <tseng> joem: nope, sorry.
[09:37] <Qerub> :-)
[09:37] <joem> :(
[09:38] <spiv> X.org is planned for the next release.
[09:38] <DXT> where is the gobo linux channel o_O
[09:39] <Trevan> I hate to ask such a flimsy/subjective question, but is there any "decent" (heh) player other than XMMS which either (a) plays, or (b) can be modded to play m4a/aac/etc?
[09:39] <joem> any gstreamer based player should work
[09:39] <Trevan> Out of the box?  Or with nudging?
[09:39] <joem> afaik gst does m4a
[09:39] <Trevan> OK.
[09:40] <Trevan> Doing a clean install from a more recent ISO shortly, that and some samba nightmares were my only two standing issues at this point.
[09:40] <DXT> well, it's in the box, somewhere.. ;P
[09:41] <joem> you would need the plugin, like all other gst stuff
[09:41] <Trevan> Well, that and having to "unimprove" what fglrxconfig does to my X config. :)
[09:41] <yyc747> Trevan: have you tried xine or totem-xine?
[09:42] <Trevan> yyc747:  No.  I briefly fiddled with XMMS last night since it is what I am (vaguely) familiar with, but since I never really loved the program I didn't put much effort into it.
[09:42] <Trevan> I'm on the novice end of the spectrum so I can only do so much at the moment.
[09:42] <yyc747> Trevan: apt-get install totem-xine
[09:43] <yyc747> Trevan: in my experience, xine is usually good at some of the more obscure codecs
[09:43] <Trevan> I think aac has probably graduated beyond the "obscure" category at this point, but I will take a peek. :)
[09:43] <slightly> hi
[09:43] <amerine> hello
[09:44] <yyc747> Trevan: true, but so has wma/wmv and divx, but ubuntu can't play those by default
[09:44] <yyc747> or mp3 for that matter
[09:44] <WX> anyone here know a way to get php4 and php5 working on the same apache web server? and invole renaming .php5 for php5?
[09:45] <Trevan> Oh well, going to go plunge into install #3.  Later.
[09:45] <pepsi> has anyone used vmware
[09:45] <pepsi> ?
[09:50] <jamescube> hey, when i install ubuntu, what sorta options do i have as far as boot loader goes? 
[09:50] <jamescube> can i not install one? 
[09:50] <Tzalidar> grub
[09:50] <Tzalidar> either in MBR or in /boot partition
[09:51] <jamescube> ok
[09:56] <amerine> anyone like my wallpapers?
[09:56] <tck> i can't seem to access my usb key , can anyone help?
[09:57] <corleone_> hi
[09:58] <pepsi> smoke up, johnny
[09:59] <corleone_> soo, i've been using redhat for years, and got my new amd64-3000mhz mobo and installed debian on it. lots of problems, segfaults etc. So ran into this ubuntu distro now.. does anyone have experience on installing it to amd64?
[10:00] <pepsi> a friend of mine has it runnong on an amd64
[10:00] <calc> corleone_: you had lots of segfaults running normal i386 debian?
[10:00] <corleone_> calc: no..
[10:00] <calc> corleone_: oh you were running pure64?
[10:00] <corleone_> calc: installed the 64 version
[10:01] <calc> corleone_: the one at debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org ?
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: yeah
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: sid-amd64-netinst.isp
[10:01] <corleone_> calc: iso that is
[10:02] <calc> corleone_: did you try regular i386 to make sure its not a hardware issue?
[10:02] <corleone_> calc: nope
[10:02] <calc> you could try installing amd64 ubuntu, but i don't recall pure64 having many problems either, so you might have faulty hardware
[10:03] <goatboy> corleone_: I've had a similar experience with debian-amd64.
[10:03] <goatboy> ubuntu-amd64 just worked, though.
[10:03] <corleone_> calc: well i got the base system working ok, but installing x etc..
[10:04] <calc> well X even on ubuntu doesn't work on amd64 unless you use the debug server
[10:04] <corleone_> calc: also apt was segfaulting first, but updated the packages and it went away
[10:04] <corleone_> calc: debug server?
[10:04] <calc> the loader is broken on amd64 apparently
[10:04] <calc> xserver-xfree86-dbg, which is compiled without modules
[10:05] <fughidabowit> where exactly can i get the kernel-source for 2.6.8??
[10:05] <corleone_> calc: oh i see
[10:05] <goatboy> odd, regular xserver-xfree86 works fine for me.
[10:05] <calc> i'm using ubuntu amd64 on my laptop right now
[10:05] <calc> goatboy: on amd64?
[10:05] <goatboy> calc: indeed.
[10:05] <calc> goatboy: interesting
[10:05] <corleone_> ok that does it: going for ubuntu :-)
[10:06] <corleone_> but i think im getting my ice cream first, just got back from swimming hall
[10:07] <fughidabowit> so anyone know where i can get the sources for kernel 2.6.8??  im a little stuck right now trying to get my 3d card to work properly
[10:07] <joem> what sort of card?
[10:07] <corleone_> anyway, ubuntu sounds interesting, never heard about it before, though, until today
[10:07] <fughidabowit> ati radeon 98000 pro
[10:07] <fughidabowit> -0
[10:07] <corleone_> heh
[10:07] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:08] <fughidabowit> i tried installing the fglfx? packages yesterday without much success
[10:08] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: what was the error?
[10:08] <Qerub> Mithrandir: Put it in topic or something... :)
[10:08] <fughidabowit> ah ty...i was referencing a different place
[10:08] <fughidabowit> it didnt find the module correctly
[10:08] <Mithrandir> Qerub: we kinda need an infobot. :P
[10:08] <fughidabowit> lemme take a look at that url
[10:08] <Qerub> Mithrandir: Yer.
[10:10] <fughidabowit> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.686
[10:11] <fughidabowit> same problem i was haivng before
[10:11] <spiv> fughidabowit: -686, not .686
[10:11] <fughidabowit> doh
[10:11] <fughidabowit> ty sir
[10:11] <spiv> no worries
[10:14] <fughidabowit>  $ sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[10:14] <fughidabowit> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[10:14] <fughidabowit> blarg
[10:17] <todor> hello everyone. i have some troubles with running my soundcard under ubuntu... it isn't detected, and i'm unable to find 'alsaconf' :(
[10:17] <Trevan> *Sigh* New install, same media, new problem.  Heh.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> fughidabowit: what does dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686 say?
[10:18] <todor> alsa-util is installed. i've searched for 'alsaconf' in Synaptic, but found nothing
[10:19] <fughidabowit> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[10:19] <fughidabowit> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[10:19] <fughidabowit> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[10:19] <fughidabowit> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[10:19] <fughidabowit> +++-[10:19] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1-13     Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on
[10:19] <fughidabowit> sorry for the big paste
[10:19] <topyli> todor: try 'which alsaconf". You should find it's in /usr/sbin
[10:19] <fughidabowit> thats evertying
[10:20] <todor> topyli: which alsaconf - nothing, locate alsaconf -nothing
[10:20] <todor> topyli: please could you check in which package is yours?
[10:21] <topyli> todor: trying now
[10:21] <fughidabowit> so i already have the modules installed....
[10:21] <todor> alsa[Tab]  gives me: alsactl and alsamixer
[10:21] <spiv> fughidabowit: What about dpkg -l linux-image-* ?
[10:22] <ejlozon> how do I enable mp3 encoding from sound-juicer?
[10:22] <fughidabowit> un  linux-image-2. <none>         (no description available)
[10:22] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-5      Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on 38
[10:22] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on PP
[10:22] <topyli> todor: my alsa-utils has alsaconf. I wonder if it's from unstable or ubuntu...
[10:22] <ejlozon> I assume it is a gstreamer plugin
[10:22] <topyli> todor: alsa-utils 1.0.5-3
[10:22] <goatboy> ejlozon: you need gstreamer-lame.
[10:22] <todor> topyli: which version is your alsa-util?
[10:22] <todor> aha...
[10:23] <ejlozon> goatboy, thx
[10:23] <fughidabowit> hola
[10:23] <todor> topyli: mine is 1.0.5-1ubuntu2
[10:23] <fughidabowit> Eric: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:23] <todor> topyli: i guess yours is pure debian package?
[10:23] <FireRabbit> hm
[10:24] <fughidabowit> pretty simple stuff
[10:24] <topyli> todor: i guess mine is from unstable then. i didn't do it on purpose, something else must have dragged it in :)
[10:24] <fughidabowit> step 2 returned tah the drivers were already there
[10:24] <fughidabowit> step 3.b fails
[10:24] <limaunion> does anybody know how to disable certain operations while booting ? ie. ubuntu waste a couple of seconds trying to load LVM which I don't use and would like to disable this check...
[10:25] <spiv> fughidabowit: Could you paste the output of 'COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l linux-restricted-2.6-686', then 'uname -a'?
[10:25] <Tzalidar> ejlozon: why not encode with ogg :)
[10:25] <fughidabowit> No packages found matching linux-restricted-2.6-686.
[10:25] <todor> topyli: well, i guess i should go and read how do i include 'universe' in my apt sources. thanks a lot!
[10:25] <fughidabowit> erm
[10:26] <topyli> todor: could be in universe, but mine may also be from debian unstable...
[10:26] <spiv> fughidabowit: my bad, linux-restricted-modules-... :)
[10:26] <fughidabowit> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 Tue Sep 14 10:30:08 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:26] <spiv> fughidabowit: thanks for your patience :)
[10:27] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules 2.6.8.1-13               Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII
[10:27] <fughidabowit> oh thanks for YOUR patience!
[10:27] <fughidabowit> <--- linux newbie
[10:27] <fughidabowit> trying to slowly convert from Windows to Linux
[10:27] <spiv> fughidabowit: Would you mind trying COLUMNS=140? :)
[10:27] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:27] <spiv> I want to see the full name of that packcage.
[10:28] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             2.6.8.1-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:28] <spiv> (I dont think it's a problem, just crossing off possibilities :)
[10:28] <spiv> Ok.
[10:28] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:29] <spiv> Oops, wrong command again...
[10:29] <Trevan> Okely-dokely.  I'm stumped.  I just did a fresh install from the same source ISO, and now my mouse refuses to work.  I keep getting "usb 2-2: device not accepting address 2, error -110" on the console shortly after it launches X/GDM.  Any pointers?
[10:29] <Treenaks> Trevan: IRQ Problems
[10:29] <Treenaks> Trevan: try booting with pci=noacpi
[10:30] <goatboy> fughidabowit: you'll probably need to update your kernel.
[10:30] <Trevan> But the same system had no issues with an installation from the same CD all of 12 hours ago. :)
[10:30] <fughidabowit> just tell me what i need to do :)
[10:30] <spiv> fughidabowit: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii
[10:30] <spiv> fughidabowit: I tested before typing this time ;)
[10:31] <robertj> btw is there an official warty release date?
[10:31] <spiv> robertj: Yep..
[10:31] <robertj> spiv: ooh, point me to the page
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             2.6.8.1-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:31] <fughidabowit> erm
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             2.6.8.1-13                            Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:31] <fughidabowit> derek@ubuntu ~ $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | cut -c -70 | grep ^ii
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686             2.6.8.1-13 
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386       2.6.8.1.0-2 
[10:31] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686       2.6.8.1.2-3 
[10:31] <spiv> robertj: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule (sorry, was just looking up the link)
[10:32] <robertj> spiv: thanks a heap
[10:32] <robertj> Ooh my Sundial says the RC is scheduled for tomorrow. Does that mean we get new artwork ;)
[10:32] <spiv> fughidabowit: Ok, that looks ok -- your running kernel is 2.6.8.1-2-386, and you have the matching linux-restricted-modules
[10:36] <fughidabowit> spiv: hrm...well i originally installed the fglrx mods from the Package Manager..when that didnt work,i uninstalled them...however that sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver commadn reports that the driver is already installed :-/
[10:36] <spiv> fughidabowit: Oh, hmm.
[10:37] <spiv> fughidabowit: You mean you actually removed files?
[10:37] <fughidabowit> spiv: i used the package manager to remove them from there
[10:38] <spiv> Can you remember what you did, exactly? :)
[10:39] <spiv> Oh, hmm.
[10:40] <spiv> So, "ls -l lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko" doesn't find any files?
[10:40] <spiv> Err, I mean .../fglrx.ko
[10:41] <fughidabowit> ok i just removed it using apt, then re-installed it...that worked...but then when i modprobe'd it...it retruned an error: Module fglrx not found
[10:41] <spiv> And /lib
[10:41] <spiv> (so ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko)
[10:41] <todor> i've got the same problem with my matrox card - no 'mga_hal.ko'
[10:41] <spiv> Which package is "it"? :)
[10:42] <todor> so - no GL acceleration for now
[10:42] <spiv> Gah.
[10:42] <spiv> Sorry, I mean ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[10:42] <spiv> Maybe I shouldn't be giving advice tongiht :)
[10:43] <fughidabowit> ls: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko: No such file or directory
[10:45] <fughidabowit> wiiiierd
[10:46] <DXT|away> funny i so a note about this file in some guide for ati drivers... cant remember what it said though :x
[10:47] <spiv> fughidabowit: Sorry, ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[10:48] <spiv> fughidabowit: Which should have been installed by (in your case) linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386
[10:49] <fughidabowit> yeah its not there
[10:49] <spiv> But dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386 says that package is installed?
[10:50] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1.0-2    Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
[10:50] <spiv> Ok, that's odd.
[10:50] <fughidabowit> lol
[10:51] <spiv> Does dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386 | grep fglrx show anything?
[10:51] <fughidabowit> no
[10:51] <todor> well, no alsaconf is odd too...
[10:51] <Trevan> Thank you to whomever told me to add the pci=noacpi flag at boot.  Although it would be comforting to know why it went from worky to no-worky between installs. :)
[10:51] <spiv> fughidabowit: Strange, I thought that version should have it.  Hmm!
[10:52] <fughidabowit> Trevan: yeah I had to do the same as well
[10:52] <spiv> fughidabowit: I know that -3-686 does, though (because I have that version)
[10:52] <spiv> fughidabowit: Do you have linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686 installed?  If so, try rebooting into that.
[10:52] <fughidabowit> spiv: i must have done something b0rky
[10:53] <fughidabowit> spiv: how would i determine that
[10:53] <spiv> fughidabowit: Try installing it see if apt says you've got it or not ;_
[10:53] <spiv> ;)
[10:53] <spiv> Or use dpkg -l.
[10:53] <spiv> It's possible that the fglrx module is 686 only.
[10:54] <spiv> Or that the version prerequisite on the wiki page is wrong :)
[10:54] <fughidabowit> No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686.
[10:54] <spiv> -686
[10:54] <fughidabowit> yep its there
[10:54] <spiv> Sorry, my bad :)
[10:54] <fughidabowit> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on PP
[10:55] <spiv> Ok, try rebooting into that kernel (it should already be in the grub menu).
[10:55] <fughidabowit> ok
[10:55] <fughidabowit> brb
[10:55] <spiv> fughidabowit: Again, thanks for your patience :)
[10:55] <fughidabowit> spiv: thanks for your help - really appreciated!
[10:55] <spiv> I've been a bit slow tonight.
[10:55] <todor> good night guys, and happy ubuntu hacking :)
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: do you know whether n-c-b is able to burn audio CDs?
[10:59] <fughidabowit> ok
[10:59] <fughidabowit> loaded up 3-686
[10:59] <fughidabowit> ooo
[10:59] <spiv> fughidabowit: Any luck?  :)
[10:59] <fughidabowit> the fglrx.ko file isi there now
[11:00] <sufehmi> hi, anyone can help me troubleshooting sound ?
[11:00] <topyli> pitti: no
[11:00] <spiv> So modprobe fglrx should work?
[11:00] <fughidabowit> well it returned nothing
[11:00] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:00] <fughidabowit> which is better than "Error"
[11:00] <spiv> fughidabowit: Right, that's supposed to happen :)
[11:00] <fughidabowit> spiv: niiiiiiiice
[11:00] <fughidabowit> spiv: so can i play some freaking doom now
[11:01] <fughidabowit> spiv: lol
[11:01] <FireRabbit> screw doom, glxgears! :)
[11:01] <spiv> Ok, edit your XF86Config-4 to use fglrx (if you haven't already)), and you're done ;)
[11:01] <fughidabowit> yeah yeah yeah
[11:01] <Mayday> fughidabowit: use "lsmod" to see if it loaded
[11:01] <fughidabowit> yes it is
[11:01] <fughidabowit> sweeeeeeeet
[11:01] <fughidabowit> tuxracer works fast now
[11:01] <fughidabowit> nice
[11:01] <fughidabowit> thanks spiv
[11:02] <spiv> fughidabowit: You're welcome :)
[11:03] <seb128> pitti: no, it's not
[11:10] <amerine> anyone like my wallpapers?
[11:10] <fughidabowit> well doom ran not bad...just crashed tho...
[11:10] <phlaegel> amerine: the ones on the list?
[11:10] <amerine> yeah
[11:10] <phlaegel> they're sweet. not big enough though. I run 1600x1200 :-)
[11:11] <DXT|away> :o
[11:11] <amerine> i'll have larger ones tonight, im at the office
[11:11] <DXT> say, ubuntu figured out that my monitor is capable 1240x1024@85hz but i cant make it work 1024x768@100 - only 87interlaced
[11:11] <phlaegel> amerine: nice.
[11:12] <Trevan> OK, please correct me if I'm about to foul up.  To get a working AAC (Faad) plugin going for gstreamer, I need to download the source that corresponds to the backend packaged with ubuntu (0.8.4) and compile, yes/no?
[11:12] <robertj> DXT: LCD or CRT
[11:12] <andril> same here I am having sound issues too
[11:12] <DXT> see are tea
[11:13] <DXT> crt :)
[11:13] <fughidabowit> spiv: what kind of card do you have?
[11:13] <DXT> im having this type of problem with every distro, one way or another.. i always mess around with modlines and stuff for hours :|
[11:14] <spiv> a Mobility Radeon 9600 M10
[11:14] <DXT> i just dont get why cant i just say to x: "1024x768 = 100hz, 800x600 = 120hz"
[11:14] <fughidabowit> have you experienced any graphics glitches with that card?  my radeon is doing some wierd thingsin doom, tuxracer
[11:15] <spiv> fughidabowit: Yeah, tuxracer looks wierd for me.
[11:15] <spiv> fughidabowit: I haven't had time to investigate :)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:15] <spiv> I don't play many games, so it's not something I worry about much :)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> :)
[11:15] <DXT> the game of life :)
[11:15] <spiv> glxgears runs fine ;)
[11:15] <fughidabowit> lol
[11:16] <DXT> channel's full of happyness :)
[11:16] <spiv> As do any of the GL xscreensavers.
[11:16] <spiv> (I particularly like the glsnake screensaver, but that's because I helped write it ;)
[11:16] <fughidabowit> nice :)
[11:17] <Micksa> and also because of that especially suss looking arrangement that you made
[11:17] <Micksa> that made it in
[11:17] <Micksa> >:)
[11:17] <spiv> Micksa: That wasn't my model!
[11:17] <Micksa> I know
[11:17] <Micksa> I was just having some fun at your expense
[11:17] <spiv> Micksa: We have labels in glsnanke off by default in ubuntu, I believe ;)
[11:17] <Micksa> *snigger*
[11:18] <Micksa> star wars: jedi knight 3 has a violence setting that you can switch in the console
[11:18] <Micksa> at installation it's set to 1 by default
[11:18] <Micksa> if you set it to 9 you can saber people's limbs off and everything
[11:20] <DXT> \o/
[11:20] <DXT> ciaoz
[11:20] <menator> anyone gotten eclipse working yet?
[11:22] <Tzalidar> menator: in ubuntu?
[11:22] <menator> Tzalidar: yeah
[11:23] <Tzalidar> menator: well, all you need to do is to install java from sun and then install eclipse from www.eclipse.org
[11:23] <menator> Tzalidar: I wish it were that easy.
[11:24] <punkass> but it is that easy :)
[11:24] <Tzalidar> menator: what is the problem, where are you stuck?
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: Eclipse bombs out on a broken lib, x11libgtk2
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: I think thats what it is.
[11:24] <jazzka> hi!
[11:24] <Tzalidar> menator, hmm that is strange, since gnome should be using that lib if i am correct
[11:24] <menator> Tzalidar: Just did a re-install using the i386 instead of amd64, so I'm re-installing java right now.
[11:25] <jazzka> please, anyone with experience with ubuntu+kde
[11:25] <menator> Tzalidar: Thats what I was thinking.
[11:25] <jazzka> is it functional?
[11:25] <SamBozo> Tzalidar, on 3 lines or less what is eclipse good for .. and yes I'm looking at the page as we speak?
[11:26] <Tzalidar> SamBozo: well, i haven't used eclipse that much, but it is an extensible IDE with strong java support
[11:26] <menator> SamBozo: Most of the java development stuff is all brought together, not to mention, an incremental compiler, plugins for just about any language or editor...etc.
[11:27] <punkass> jazzka: check out the eclipse plugin page...there is a whole pile of stuff u can use it for
[11:27] <punkass> sorry that was for SamBozo
[11:27] <jazzka> ;)
[11:27] <Tzalidar> eclipse works for me here
[11:27] <Tzalidar> nice sleek gtk integration ;)
[11:28] <Tzalidar> and by that i mean that it uses the same theme as the gtk interface that you are running :)
[11:28] <SamBozo> ok .. give me a program name it replaces .. or does the same thing as .. please
[11:28] <Tzalidar> netbeans, jbuilder
[11:28] <Tzalidar> or if you wish; kdevelop, ajunta
[11:28] <SamBozo> where does code warrior fit in .. just had a copy given me
[11:28] <punkass> with plugins, you can use it for php, python asewll
[11:29] <punkass> aswell*
[11:29] <Miichael> ok how do i switch my soundblaster to snd0 and the onboard sound to  snd1
[11:29] <SamBozo> wow all purpose platform thingie then .. lol  like the site says
[11:30] <SamBozo> better than the others? kdevelop.. or just newer 
[11:30] <Tzalidar> hmm strange, i cant start eclipse from nautilus
[11:30] <Tzalidar> but from the commandline it starts
[11:30] <Tzalidar> it doesn't find the JRE when i launch it from nautilus
[11:31] <Tzalidar> i have exported the path with my .bashrc script
[11:31] <Tzalidar> jEdit works
[11:38] <tck> when i try to do, ./MAKEDEV sda - nothing appears in /dev
[11:40] <tck> can anyone help?
[11:42] <Tzalidar> Miichael: are you running alsa?
[11:42] <pitti> tck: please don't use MAKEDEV
[11:42] <tck> ok
[11:42] <pitti> tck: Ubuntu uses udev, which dynamically manages /dev
[11:42] <tck> ok ;)
[11:42] <pitti> tck: all devices that exist are entered into /dev automatically
[11:43] <Miichael> yes
[11:43] <tck> pitti, theres no scsi link for usb devices
[11:43] <pitti> tck: what is sda supposed to be?
[11:43] <Tzalidar> Miichael: okay, i take it that you want to use your soundblaster card as your default sound card?
[11:43] <Miichael> yes
[11:44] <Tzalidar> Miichael: okay, you need to create the file ".alsarc" in your home dir
[11:44] <pitti> tck: just plug in the device,
[11:44] <Tzalidar> ill paste you in private message how it should look
[11:44] <pitti> tck: it should all work automatically
[11:44] <Miichael> thanks
[11:44] <tck> pitti, it doesnt
[11:44] <tck> i can see it with usbview
[11:45] <tck> but i cant access, what dir, not mounted etc ?
[11:45] <pitti> tck: did you just plug it in?
[11:45] <tck> yes
[11:46] <pitti> tck: the device node (/dev/sda1 or so) should be created automatically
[11:46] <Trevan> Should I be trying to compile / add plugins to the gstreamer installed with ubuntu, or removing ubuntu's gstreamer components and starting from square one?  I'm feeling a little overwhelmed.
[11:46] <pitti> tck: if not, can you please /msg me the output of 'dmesg | tail 20'?
[11:46] <tck> ok
[11:49] <jazzka> does kde programs run correctly with ubuntu?
[11:50] <spiv> jazzka: They ought to work as well as they do in debian unstable, but no effort has been put into them.
[11:51] <jazzka> is there any command like apt-get xxx package_name   that says which branch does it comes from?
[11:51] <jazzka> if it's from main or universe
[11:51] <spiv> apt-cache show package-name
[11:51] <spiv> Look for the "Section" field.
[11:52] <spiv> If using synaptic, Ubuntu supported pacakges are marked with an ubuntu logo.
[11:52] <jazzka> ok thanks!
[11:55] <Tzalidar> i just cant belive this: if i launch eclipse with ./eclipse from the dir where i installed eclipse, it works. But if i create a launcher on the gnome panel or try to launch it by clicking on it, i get an error saying it cannot find a JRE
[11:56] <spiv> Tzalidar: different PATH env vars?
[11:56] <Tzalidar> spiv: ??? you mean that nautilus and the terminal uses different env vars
[11:56] <Tzalidar> because i have set up the env vars correctly
[11:56] <punkass> is your $JAVA_HOME set?
[11:57] <Tzalidar> jEdit launches successfully
[11:57] <Tzalidar> yup
[11:57] <Tzalidar> eclipse launches from the command line
[11:57] <Tzalidar> but when i launch it from a launcher on the panel (which points to the same file) it complains about not finding a jre
[11:57] <punkass> can u make a symlink to eclipse from usr/bin so u can just have  'eclipse' in the launcher:)
[11:58] <Tzalidar> punkass: ill try that ;)