[12:00] <WW_> When I run matlab, I get the following message repeated about 15 times:
[12:00] <WW_> Font specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] 
[12:00] <WW_> ...but matlab still runs OK.  I haven't seen this message in other distros.
[12:01] <Tzalidar> punkass: that didn't work
[12:01] <Tzalidar> aw, nevermind
[12:01] <Tzalidar> ill struggle with it some other time
[12:01] <Tzalidar> i need to gett some sleep
[12:01] <Tzalidar> good night everybody!
[12:01] <WW_> Does that message (about font not found) suggest anything to anyone?
[12:01] <punkass> to bad... later
[12:02] <punkass> WW_, sorry never seen it
[12:02] <Trevan> When trying to run a ./configure, I get "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ... what did I break THIS time? :)
[12:03] <spiv> WW_: that %d looks suspicious.
[12:03] <spiv> Replacing that with a *, I can find that font on my system.
[12:03] <punkass> Trevan: do u have the c++ complier installed?
[12:04] <spiv> WW_: it sounds like a bug in Matlab to me.
[12:04] <WW_> spiv: Where do you find it? (Sorry, I don't know much about how fonts work.)
[12:04] <WW_> spiv: Could be a matlab bug, but I haven't had this problem in RH or Libranet.
[12:04] <spiv> But I've no idea why you only see it on ubuntu.
[12:04] <spiv> WW_: xfontsel
[12:04] <neptho> Can anyone recommend information for one unfamiliar with both the Debian packaging system, and a few years shy on trying to make custom modules work?  I'm trying to build ndiswrapper and wap_supplicant, but without knowing which tree matches the specific kernel installed (since it invaribly gives me a loading probllem), this machine's non-functional until I can get it back on the network.
[12:05] <Trevan> Punkass:  I don't know what the package would be called. If it's cpp, it appears to be flagged as installed in synaptic.
[12:05] <punkass> gcc maybe?
[12:05] <punkass> or g++ i cant remember
[12:05] <spiv> neptho: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:05] <spiv> Or linux-source-... if you really need to.
[12:06] <neptho> spiv: It's a bit hard to do when I have no network.  ;)  Do you know how easy it might be to copy the standard tree to a cdrom to copy across?
[12:06] <spiv> neptho: what hardware are you trying to build drivers for?
[12:06] <Trevan> punkass: Thank you, I'll install that (and dependencies) and see what breaks next. :)
[12:06] <neptho> spiv: Crappy ACX111 based card, and I need WPA, so that leaves ndiswrapper.  :/
[12:06] <spiv> neptho: Sure, just grab it out of the apt repo directly via http.
[12:06] <neptho> How can I point apt to the CD?  /etc/apt/sources  deb file://...here's where I get lost
[12:07] <punkass> Trevan: good luck :)
[12:07] <spiv> neptho: grab the deb by hand from http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[12:07] <neptho> the ndiswrapper built against linux-image-2.6.8.1-3 is both old and broken with my card, so even if I could switch to WEP, it wouldn't work.  :(
[12:07] <spiv> neptho: and you can use dpkg -i xxxx.deb to install it.
[12:08] <neptho> spiv: Then how do I install it?  apt-get doesn't seem to like localized paths.
[12:08] <Trevan> Mmm, didn't change the result of running ./configure
[12:08] <spiv> (oh, and you should probably build your kernel with the 'kernel-package' package)
[12:08] <neptho> You'll have to pardon my ignorance.  I was Slackware for years, went to Gentoo, and entirely missed anything Debian. ;)
[12:08] <neptho> kernel... package package.  Right.  :)
 neptho: and you can use dpkg -i xxxx.deb to install it.
[12:08] <spiv> :)
[12:08] <punkass> Trevan: what are u trying to install?
[12:09] <neptho> dpkg -i.  Gracias
[12:09] <Trevan> gst-plugins-0.8.4 from their site.  All love for ubuntu aside, I'm not re-ripping my jukebox to ogg.  :)
[12:09] <spiv> neptho: kernel-package will install a readme in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, read it with zless to find out how to use it.
[12:10] <Trevan> MMm, sorry, that'd be the gstreamer plugins from gstreamer's site.
[12:10] <joem> Trevan, I'm sure you can find a gstreamer-lame deb somewhere
[12:10] <neptho> Right.  That'll do.  How would I easily mask my system not to follow linux-image-x86 for updates if I manage to get it to actually build?
[12:10] <Trevan> joem: I'm dealing mostly with m4a's, unfortunately.
[12:10] <joem> well, then that plugin :)
[12:12] <Trevan> I'll do some additional rooting around, but all I found earlier were some RPMs which correlated to the .6 era of gstreamer, which I don't believe would work.
[12:12] <spiv> neptho: remove the linux-image-2.6-686 package (which is a meta-package for grabbing the latest 2.6 kernel)
[12:13] <spiv> iirc.
[12:13] <joem> heh, specially because gstreamer didn't do m4a
[12:13] <joem> then
[12:13] <spiv> neptho: It should leave your actual linux-image-2.6.8.1-blah package intacct.
[12:13] <Trevan> Well, apparently someone thought they could make it happen, heh.  Odds are it was a clusterf.
[12:13] <neptho> spiv: That makes sense.  Thanks.  :)
[12:14] <neptho> One more quick oddity... I have my NForce 2 based motherboard running a fairly stock kernel.  Last time I tried to update to -686, and I lost USB, despite using linux-image... is there any erratta I can find for this?  (This other machine, sigh, only has USB devices attached)
[12:15] <pepsi> what bios?
[12:15] <pepsi> can you set the bios to recognize the usb keyboard as ps2?
[12:16] <pepsi> my keyboard didnt work otherwise
[12:17] <neptho> Yes.  I have it set to recognize the keyboard pre-boot, and it works in BIOS.  It works fine with most kernels, however the most recent linux-image-686 tag (two days ago?) killed the modules for USB
[12:17] <neptho> so, I was stuck sshing in remote and rebooting it back to an elder release.
[12:18] <neptho> For the most part, I have to admit that Ubuntu's been one of the most painless distributions I've dealt with.  ;)
[12:18] <pepsi> usb keyboards work on my mobo as well, but there's an option to present the keyboard as ps2 to the os
[12:18] <pepsi> in the bios i mean the keyboard work
[12:18] <menator> finally got eclipse working. Seems the library problem was related to the amd64 arch I was previously using.
[12:20] <pepsi> whats eclipse
[12:21] <neptho> Oh, this is jjust an NF7 with a fairly recent bios.  It doesn't offer a 'act as PS/2' option.
[12:21] <Zero-G> it's a Java IDE
[12:27] <robertj> btw, is it just me, or do apps not show up on the Application menu when installed with synaptic?
[12:28] <joem> robertj, depends on the app
[12:28] <robertj> joem: gnome-mud and gphoto seem to not show up
[12:29] <joem> they probably don't follow the menu spec then
[12:30] <pepsi> neptho, in IntegratedPeripherals/OnChip PCI Devics/USB Controller
[12:31] <pepsi> if you have an nf7 it should be the same
[12:38] <neptho> pepsi: Hrrm.  I will take a look.  Thanks.
[12:41] <robertj> gtkam shows up
[12:41] <pepsi> has anybody used vmware?
[12:41] <robertj> Is there a way to make gphoto detected devices show in nautilus?
[12:44] <blocke> pepsi: daily, but not on ubuntu
[12:46] <sertmann> anyone here familiar with the xfree implementation in ubuntu, xfree just keeps boothing in 640x480 no matter what i do...
[12:47] <sertmann> but it working fine in debian on 1024x768 so i know it possible
[12:47] <sertmann> sorry about the english there ;)
[12:47] <mardinos> I happen to have the exact same prob sertmann.. Ati card?
[12:48] <sertmann> nope nvidia
[12:48] <tck> is there a command to list all available commands in linux?
[12:48] <sertmann> got the glx drivers working and everything... but resoltion just doesn't work right
[12:48] <pepsi> hit tab a few times
[12:49] <sertmann> glad to know im not the only one with the problem, i was starting to feel stupid :)
[12:49] <tck> pepsi, thx
[12:49] <mardinos> okay. my glxgears are only running 300fps :(
[12:52] <sertmann> mardinos: 1444.200 FPS :)
[12:52] <sertmann> doesn't help much in a 640x480 res though....
[12:52] <Ferry> 57227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11445.400 FPS
[12:53] <defendguin> has anyone use tomboy?
[12:53] <defendguin> used
[12:54] <blocke> I have
[12:54] <sertmann> Ferry: blah can't help I only have an old GeForce4 MX420 :p
[12:55] <sertmann> anyways, now that we're 2 people with the same problem here, are anyone here familar with XFree?
[12:55] <defendguin> blocke, do you find it at all useful or more trouble than its worth?
[12:56] <blocke> I've started using it at work, it has reduced the stack of post it notes by my keyboard, I'm not too fond of it assuming words with special use of caps are wiki links but I can live with that
[12:56] <defendguin> i was thinking it might be useful for school but im not too sure
[12:58] <defendguin> i guess lots of my notes dont have associations with other notes
[12:59] <Trevan> Sigh, even.  This source just refuses to admit g++ is installed.
[01:04] <blocke> defendguin: I'm using it more of a long term storage of post-it note sized notes with storage
[01:04] <blocke> s/storage/searching/
[01:06] <defendguin> hmmm
[01:06] <defendguin> i suppose it might work better if i was using it at the beginning of the semester
[01:07] <jazzka> I used to have in my aplications menu (gentoo) a programming aplications submenu with different tools
[01:07] <jazzka> this doesn't appear with ubuntu
[01:07] <jazzka> how can I add it?
[01:08] <jazzka> or add the whole programming menu?
[01:08] <defendguin> jazzka, install something like glade or bluefish
[01:08] <defendguin> or xemacs
[01:08] <jazzka> defendguin, and then it will automatically appear on the menu?
[01:08] <defendguin> yup
[01:09] <sertmann> hmmm ok, are there a Xorg packages for ubuntu?
[01:09] <defendguin> blocke, did tomboy get added to your gnome menu?
[01:09] <sertmann> i think i recall seing them during install
[01:09] <Miichael> can you switch from ubuntu into debian via apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:10] <Trevan> OK.  g++ is installed.  The correct kernel headers appear to be installed.  I'm still getting a sanity check on this ./configure.  Any ideas?
[01:10] <sertmann> Miichael: are you feeling lucky? ;-)
[01:10] <blocke> defendguin: no, the upstream never created the needed files, the tomboy 0.2.0 cvs changelog mentions them adding the needed applications file and adding proper gnome-session  support
[01:10] <Miichael> no. curious
[01:11] <jazzka> when I run "apt-get update" like root, I get:
[01:11] <defendguin> blocke, good enough
[01:11] <jazzka> Des:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release [85B] 
[01:11] <jazzka> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[01:11] <jazzka>   416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable
[01:11] <jazzka> 97% [Waiting for headers] 
[01:11] <jazzka> and it never gets 100%
[01:12] <defendguin> i wonder where it would be added in the menu? Accessories?
[01:13] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone know how to edit the menus?
[01:13] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, applications:///
[01:13] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, with right click mouse button
[01:13] <asdf_46> Dang, I was hoping resedit would do the menus.
[01:14] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: that lets you take out, but not add
[01:14] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, applications:///
[01:14] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, click on Applications menu, then inside a category, right click
[01:15] <Phr0stByte> defenguin: thanx
[01:15] <jazzka> it will appear a menu
[01:15] <Phr0stByte> defenguin: thats what I needed
[01:16] <linux_mafia> in the gnome-system-monitor there are a whole heap of unnamed processes, anyone know what they are?
[01:17] <tseng> are they threads of other processes?
[01:20] <merriam> linux_mafia: what does ps auxwwwf say about them?
[01:21] <defendguin> www.imendio.com is down?
[01:21] <jdub> linux_mafia: they're kernel threads
[01:21] <jdub> linux_mafia: annoying little bug in g-s-m atm :)
[01:23] <Trevan> Anyone qualified to diagnose a sanity check problem when trying to run a ./configure?  It isn't clear to me what I should be looking for in the resulting config.log.
[01:24] <merriam> not many inclined to do that, i expect
[01:25] <defendguin> i must say that it is annoying that i have to install myspell-en-gb inorder to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[01:26] <defendguin> i noticed that it negativly effects ooo
[01:27] <mardinos> Sertmann: Well ive got better resoulution going
[01:27] <Paleon> I'm looking for some help with totem movie player and DVDs.  Playback is very choppy.
[01:29] <sertmann> mardinos: cool
[01:29] <sertmann> can't go to dcc
[01:29] <mardinos> okay
[01:31] <Phr0stByte> Paleon: MPlayer! ;)
[01:37] <defendguin> i cant believe imendio.com is down
[01:38] <cardador> hello. i have a problem with my mouse wheel. the wheel-up button behaves like the 2nd button. can anyone help me?
[01:39] <Phr0stByte> cardador: what kinda mouse is it?
[01:39] <cardador> ps2
[01:40] <cardador> the wheel down behaves properly, but not the up
[01:40] <Phr0stByte> cardador: do you know how to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file?
[01:40] <cardador> yes i know
[01:40] <cardador> i have the zaxismapping line
[01:41] <Phr0stByte> cardador: pm me and paste me your mouse section
[01:41] <cardador> ok
[01:45] <limaunion> hello, does anyone know how can I get a complete list of all the packages available in the 'universe' ?
[01:47] <smo> I'm not sure if it's the prettiest way, but "grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages"   works for me
[01:48] <limaunion> smo: thanks, will try now...
[01:48] <smo> beware the name of the file itself will differ if you use a mirror, but it should make enough sense that you can figure out what you're looking for
[01:50] <Phr0stByte> cardador: how is it?
[01:50] <limaunion> ok, I'm new to apt, I'm browsing with 'less' that file, cool.
[01:52] <neighborlee> Kamion, where do I suggest a rescue mode for next installment ( or is it already in the works)....
[01:52] <JakeandBake> hello
[01:53] <JakeandBake> i was wondering if anyone could spare a few minutes to help me with a rather interesting issue?
[01:56] <sertmann> ehm, is there an alternate XFree configuration file, other than /etc/X11/XFConfig-4.... i've just torn the whole damn file apart, giving guesed values for hsync and vrefresh, and nothing changed, it didn't even refuse to load x :/
[01:56] <defendguin> mmmm smooth cobalt is nice
[01:57] <neighborlee> JakeandBake, in irc you just start yakin and if someone knows they'll chime in ;)
[01:58] <jvic> hey folks... is the ubuntu theme avaliable for download somewhere? I would like to try it here, but haven't found it anywhere...
[01:59] <limaunion> jvic: you'll find some wallpapers but not a theme, AFAIK unless you run ubutu
[01:59] <jvic> limaunion: but why not? I mean... it's free software...
[02:01] <blocke> jvic: the theme is stored in the ubuntu-artwork package, search around for the dpkg source file somewhere on an ubuntu mirror
[02:02] <neptho> Yaay.  It works.  Kind of.
[02:02] <limaunion> jvic: sure, somewhere it's but why not try running a clean install, your won't regret
[02:02] <majorfunk> Can help me figure out why I can't install a boot loader from the Ubuntu installation CD
[02:02] <majorfunk> Can anyone I meant to say
[02:02] <neptho> What's the safest way to keep from having acx_pci loaded?  It won't work with my NIC, and I need to use ndiswrapper.  Right now, I've put a pre-up rmmod acx_pci in my /etc/network/interfaces - but there has to be a better way.
[02:03] <neptho> majorfunk: Neither grub NOR lilo work?
[02:03] <majorfunk> nope when I try grub it says installation failed and lilo gives a segmentation fault
[02:03] <neptho> Hrrm.  Are you overclocking at all?  What's your disk setting in BIOS?  Is it LBA?
[02:04] <majorfunk> no overclocking and the disk setting is LBA
[02:05] <neptho> Look at it in fdisk/cfdisk/whatever that editor is that's built in. Make sure that the CHS match
[02:06] <neptho> With the 4.10 release, Grub gave me quite a bit of pain and still complains, but it works after putting it in /dev/hdx1 where hdx is where I installed it.  I installed GAG as my primary bootloader (gag.sf.net), and added the linux ext2/3 partition to chain to.
[02:06] <jvic> limaunion: i will... actually i tried a couple of weeks ago, but had no success because apparently there's some problem with my partition layout and ubuntu want to erase my entire hard drive.. so i'll do it later, when i do some backup of my data and correct my partitions
[02:07] <neptho> There's no easy way to tell modprobe "Do not load this, ever!"?
[02:09] <housetier> delete the module :)
[02:09] <neptho> I want a better fix, supposing I update and forget to kill it.  :)
[02:10] <limaunion> jvic: ok! hurry up :)
[02:12] <limaunion> neptho: there's a blacklist file used by 'hotplug', but I don't know very well the relation between modprobe and hotplug yet, maybe you can blacklist the modules..
[02:12] <Se7h> my X doesn't start auto. anymore
[02:12] <Se7h> whats wrong?
[02:13] <amerine> what do you guys think of this http://shweet.bendug.org/~mark/wallpaper-2.jpg 
[02:13] <pepsi> what happens?
[02:14] <neptho> pepsi: I checked, and I did still have my USB devices as 'BIOS' in BIOS, by the way.. It's still just that recent kernel that kills the keyboard.
[02:14] <JakeandBake> amerine: i like everything except the use of the waterfall...maybe a splitting atom would better illustrate an extreme opening and contrast "universe?"
[02:15] <amerine> i wasnt sure what to place there
[02:15] <housetier> use the same font for "ubuntu" and "open..."
[02:16] <limaunion> amerine: I like it but maybe instead of the waterfall you can put there the ubuntu 'circle'
[02:16] <amerine> they are the same font, just used the same effect as the lines 
[02:16] <amerine> limaunion: great idea
[02:17] <housetier> amerine, the n and u look very diffent
[02:18] <amerine> let me check real quick
[02:18] <amerine> i thought they were the same
[02:19] <amerine> i stand corrected
[02:19] <amerine> oops
[02:39] <JStrike> tseng : Are you the mono packager for Ubuntu?
[02:41] <tck> whats a quick way of restarting the inetd ?
[02:43] <tck> got it
[02:43] <tseng> JStrike: not officially
[02:44] <JStrike> tseng : I know :-)
[02:44] <tck> whats gconfd-2 , it recently started running as a process?
[02:45] <tseng> JStrike: then yes I guess.
[02:45] <grape> heya, i'm not sure if there is a problem with my install disk or not, but has anyone had any problems with installing ubuntu on a thinkpad 600e? I keep getting a kernel panic.
[02:45] <JStrike> tseng : What I wanted to know is if you would consider expanding your repo so that it is similar to MDE (or was until a couple of days ago). I am considering change to Ubuntu from SuSE, but the mono support is quite important to me
[02:45] <defendguin> JStrike, we have mono support
[02:46] <JStrike> tseng : Basically adding inotify kernels, Beagle, iFolder
[02:46] <defendguin> they have an apt repository for mono apps
[02:46] <JStrike> defendguin : I know
[02:46] <defendguin> :)
[02:46] <JStrike> defendguin : I know :-)
[02:47] <whiprush> ifolder rocks
[02:49] <JStrike> whiprush : yep. But the delay with NLD is killing me. The lack of a suse gnome is terrible and there is nothing like fedora's community. So Ubuntu is looking good right now
[02:49] <whiprush> there's ULB gnome for suse.
[02:50] <grape> hehe but it is for suse - that's the problem ;-)
[02:50] <whiprush> I'm sure once it's all usable that someone will package that stuff for ubuntu
[02:50] <JStrike> whiprush: I am running ULD right now. It is the worst version of gnome I have ever used
[02:50] <whiprush> :(
[02:51] <JStrike> It combines gnome 2.4 , 2.6 and 2.8 stuff
[02:51] <defendguin> ULB? ULD?
[02:51] <JStrike> Doesn't come with g-v-m and all the file associations have dissapeared
[02:51] <JStrike> oops...ULB
[02:51] <JStrike> :-)
[02:51] <whiprush> nld should be interesting.
[02:52] <whiprush> suse's past gnome support was just so horrible
[02:52] <JStrike> whiprush : Nah. But the next version should be fantastic. Beagle etc will be there
[02:54] <JStrike> tseng : So how about it? Any chance of inotify kernels, beagle and ifolder?
[02:54] <asdf_46> Does any one have any good ideas on how to get a ping pong ball out of a subwofer?
[02:54] <asdf_46> logitech z-680
[02:54] <JakeandBake> vacuum cleaner with flexible hose ?
[02:55] <asdf_46> Tried that a little. I think I need a more flexible hose.
[02:55] <asdf_46> There is kinda a wierd gooseneck thing on the vent.
[02:57] <whiprush> JStrike: have you gotten ifolder to work reliably?
[02:59] <JStrike> whiprush : I had it working quite well a while ago.
[02:59] <whiprush> hmm, well that's good to hear. I've never got it working just quite right.
[03:00] <amerine> later everyone
[03:01] <neptho> Thanks for the pointers, folks.  See you later!
[03:05] <GOwin> hello everyone. is it possible to re-partition my harddrive with ubuntu and windows installed without losing any data?
[03:06] <pepsi> probably not id say
[03:07] <JakeandBake> yes it is...
[03:07] <JakeandBake> back everything up to CDs ;-)
[03:07] <pepsi> heh
[03:08] <JakeandBake> in theory, you could resize the partition...but i never trust that because there is always the risk of data loss....or at the very least, you can't resize it to its fullest potential because of file fragmentation
[03:08] <JakeandBake> if you wanted to try, read about partition magic and the like
[03:09] <JakeandBake> some distros come with a built in resizing tool...but i don't think ubuntu has one
[03:15] <GOwin> i see.
[03:16] <JakeandBake> what is it that you don't want to lose from windows?
[03:17] <GOwin> i can always reinstall ubuntu. you see, i've tried other distros before and that left my harddisk with partitions recommended by other distros. i wanted to combine several smaller partions.
[03:17] <GOwin> i got lots of data in my ntfs partitions.
[03:17] <JakeandBake> how many GB?
[03:17] <pepsi> if you leave the partition you want to keep alone it should be fine
[03:18] <pepsi> but you could delete a few consecutive partitions and replace them with a single one or whatever
[03:18] <bur[n] er> anyone know if and how you can install ubuntu from the LiveCD?
[03:18] <pepsi> burn it and boot from it
[03:18] <GOwin> i'm confused with the partitioning tool that came with the ubuntu CD. i can't seem to resize or combine the partions that i had
[03:19] <goatboy> bur[n] er: you can't.
[03:20] <JakeandBake> i agree, the partitioning tool and basically the entire install process for ubuntu is kind of confusing...or atleast not very user friendly
[03:20] <pepsi> you can always drop into another terminal and use fdisk from there no?
[03:20] <GOwin> and the default recommended partions are the swap and the /?
[03:20] <JakeandBake> yes
[03:21] <JakeandBake> so you'd have NTFS (which you can't write to from ubuntu without recompiling the kernel) and then / and then swap
[03:21] <JakeandBake> i liked ubuntu so much that i completely made the switch from windows, and moved all of my data over to ext3 partitions
[03:22] <pepsi> JakeandBake, you know if NTFS write support is safe? ive thought about using it
[03:22] <JakeandBake> all 160 GB of it
[03:22] <JakeandBake> lol
[03:22] <Tux234> Um I gotta problem
[03:22] <pepsi> yeah, i trashed my windows partition, but i still use windows through vmware
[03:22] <pepsi> :P
[03:22] <pepsi> its a necessary evil
[03:22] <JakeandBake> only if you game....
[03:23] <pepsi> naw
[03:23] <JakeandBake> i don't play any games any more....
[03:23] <JakeandBake> so i don't have any need at all
[03:23] <pepsi> i do embedded programming
[03:23] <JakeandBake> oh
[03:23] <JakeandBake> i see
[03:23] <JakeandBake> special need...
[03:23] <JakeandBake> lol
[03:23] <Tux234> I started Firefox today and I didn't any icons it was weird
[03:23] <Tux234> I removed it and reinstalled it and got the same problem
[03:23] <JakeandBake> i take it firefox worked fine before?
[03:23] <pepsi> there is an opensource toolchain for the chips i use, but it sucks
[03:24] <Tux234> yep
[03:24] <Tux234> And the menus are all corrupted lookin
[03:24] <JakeandBake> if you open firefox from a command prompt, do you see any errors?
[03:24] <Tux234> one sec
[03:25] <Tux234> no
[03:26] <Tux234> Any suggestions?
[03:26] <JakeandBake> if you run firefox as root do you have the same problem?
[03:26] <Tux234> one sec
[03:26] <Tux234> yeah
[03:26] <GOwin> pepsi, is ubuntu your day to day distro?
[03:27] <JakeandBake> tux, you might try doing a complete removal, then installing it again instead of just a reinstall
[03:28] <JakeandBake> give me a minute while i consult a friend who broke firefox as well...
[03:28] <Tux234> I just tried that same problem
[03:28] <pepsi> seems that firefox is easy to break
[03:29] <Tux234> I guess so :(
[03:29] <JakeandBake> i don't know how he broke it....he just started using the full mozilla browser and i asked why and he said firefox was broken...i left it at that...so i don't know if it was a similar issue
[03:29] <pepsi> i was going crazy with alerts saying i was leaving a secure site.. and the checkbox to keep the alerts coming was already unchecked
[03:29] <GOwin> i also need the egroupware packages from debian. i've found a possible repository but i can't seem to download the stuff. how do i do it?
[03:29] <Tux234> Know any browsers that are as fast as Firefox
[03:30] <Tux234> I don't really like mozilla
[03:30] <JakeandBake> you can add repositories to synaptic by clicking settings->repositories->etc.
[03:30] <Se7h> i forgot where i can config. my X loginscreen
[03:30] <JakeandBake> lynx :-)
[03:30] <Se7h> where is that?
[03:31] <Tux234> Thats just text only though right?
[03:31] <pepsi> Sysconfig/Login Screen Setup?
[03:31] <Se7h> pepsi i guess....
[03:31] <GOwin> i tried it but it fails
[03:32] <GOwin> what's deb? what's deb-src?
[03:32] <Rob_> Hi All, both Fedora C3T3 and Warty RC are out in the next few days, I'm currenlty an FC2 user.... Why do you think I should do Warty of Fedora C3T3????
[03:32] <Tux234> WARTY!! ;)
[03:32] <pepsi> id say we're biased towards ubuntu
[03:32] <pepsi> :P
[03:32] <SamBozo> the .deb vs  .rpm  would be enuff for me to switch
[03:32] <JakeandBake> rob, you should use ubuntu because synaptic is way better than trying to work with rpms
[03:33] <Se7h> aaahh...so i dont have the "login screen setup" at sysconfig
[03:34] <Se7h> whats the console command for it?
[03:34] <JakeandBake> Gowin: deb is a package repository for prebuilt packages, deb-src is a package repository for source code packages
[03:34] <asdf_46> JakeandBake, I got it out, just needed a bigger hose on the vaccume. :)
[03:34] <GOwin> jakeandblake. which one should i use then?
[03:34] <JakeandBake> i added them all
[03:34] <JakeandBake> lol
[03:34] <JakeandBake> and i subtracted the CD, i hate cd swapping
[03:34] <Se7h> anyone ?
[03:34] <Rob_> pepsi: I am after you bias... I want to be convinced to go the Ubuntu root
[03:35] <JStrike> JakeandBake : You can use synaptic on fedora!!!
[03:35] <Tux234> Se7H gdmconfig
[03:35] <Tux234> I think ;)
[03:35] <Rob_> I use Yum on Fedora and it is fairly painless
[03:35] <crimsun> Rob_: the best suggestion i can give is simply to try the preview release
[03:36] <Se7h> Tux234 wel...its not
[03:36] <Se7h> ;P
[03:36] <Tux234> gdmsetup?
[03:36] <Rob_> crimsun: Is it a live CD?
[03:36] <crimsun> Rob_: there is also a live cd available
[03:36] <Se7h> Tux234 -bash: gdmsetup: command not found
[03:36] <Tux234> Oh oh gdmlogin duh!:-P
[03:37] <Se7h> lol
[03:37] <Se7h> oops
[03:37] <Se7h> also wrong
[03:37] <JStrike> Rob_ : They are trolling about apt, rpm, Synaptic, etc. There is not much difference between fedora and Ubuntu. But Ubuntu looks slightly better
[03:37] <Tux234> Oh boy "m havin bad luck today
[03:37] <Tux234> ;)
[03:37] <GOwin> i'm trying to get the egroupwar packages from here: http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/egroupware/
[03:37] <Se7h> so i see Tux234 ;P
[03:37] <GOwin> how do i poirt synaptics to that url?
[03:38] <Tux234> ok try gdmgreeter
[03:38] <Se7h> nop
[03:38] <Tux234> GEESE!! :)
[03:38] <Se7h> ;P
[03:38] <Tux234> Get any errors when you do it
[03:38] <Se7h> command not found
[03:38] <Se7h> just that
[03:39] <Tux234> Hmm..
[03:39] <SamBozo> as root?
[03:39] <Se7h> even if it wasn't
[03:39] <SamBozo> k
[03:39] <Se7h> it would say that i had to have super user permissions
[03:39] <Se7h> or so
[03:39] <Tux234> OH man I'm dumb today 
[03:39] <Tux234> Oh nvrmnd
[03:39] <Se7h> so
[03:40] <Se7h> its not on the "root"
[03:40] <Se7h> ;P
[03:40] <Tux234> do you have gdm installed?
[03:40] <Se7h> damn
[03:40] <Se7h> it should be on gnomes menu
[03:40] <SamBozo> user might not have the command available <g> so command not found
[03:40] <Se7h> SamBozo naaa
[03:41] <Se7h> Tux234 le' me check
[03:41] <Se7h> aaah...
[03:41] <Se7h> dam bitx didn't installed this time
[03:42] <Tux234> I see
[03:42] <Se7h> dunno why
[03:42] <Se7h> but this time
[03:42] <Tux234> Hmm..
[03:42] <Se7h> several stuff from gnome haven't been installed by default
[03:42] <Se7h> wierd
[03:42] <Tux234> that is weird
[03:43] <Se7h> things like...
[03:43] <Se7h> weather report applet 
[03:43] <Se7h> for ie
[03:44] <Se7h> nothing important...but still wierd
[03:44] <Tux234> Strange :-/
[03:44] <Tux234> well guess you'll just have to apt-get gdm then
[03:44] <Se7h> yup
[03:44] <Se7h> already installed
[03:44] <Se7h> ;)
[03:44] <Tux234> ;)
[03:45] <Tux234> What???
[03:45] <Tux234> gdm is already installed?
[03:45] <Se7h> a...ya....
[03:45] <Se7h> lol
[03:45] <Se7h> i've just instaalled it
[03:45] <kljlkj> hello all, i installed ubuntu on my 2nd partition but later removed the partition using windowsxp, now when i bootup GRUB stucks and reports Error 17...i can't even bootup xp anymore..whats the best way to fix this so i can go back to xp?
[03:45] <Se7h> :)
[03:46] <Tux234> lol :)
[03:46] <Tux234> Do't mess with me like that man :)
[03:46] <Tux234> I about tore my hair out ;)
[03:46] <Se7h> y ?
[03:47] <Tux234> ?
[03:47] <Tux234> Oh
[03:47] <Tux234> I thought that it already installed why you were tryin all those commands
[03:47] <goatboy> kljlkj: boot from the windows install cd; start the system restore; run 'fixmbr'.
[03:47] <Tux234> *was
[03:47] <goatboy> (I think)
[03:48] <Se7h> no
 aaah...
 dam bitx didn't installed this time
[03:48] <Se7h> ;P
[03:48] <kljlkj> goatboy:thank you
[03:48] <bur[n] er> anyone know a lot about juk?
[03:48] <Se7h> so...i've installed it right away
[03:48] <Tux234> lol I'm just crazy today ;)
[03:48] <Se7h> ;P
[03:48] <Se7h> we all have days like that
[03:48] <bur[n] er> and gstreamer usage within juk specifically
[03:49] <Tux234> lol
[03:49] <Se7h> ok, just one more thing
[03:49] <Tux234> Yep
[03:49] <Se7h> hmmm...
[03:49] <Tux234> Oh boy here we go ;)
[03:49] <Se7h> how can i configure the sound codec
[03:49] <Se7h> or whatever is it called
[03:49] <Tux234> alsaconf i think
[03:50] <Tux234> sudo alsaconf
[03:50] <Se7h> nop
[03:50] <Se7h> ;P
[03:50] <Se7h> LOL
[03:50] <Se7h> " and going, and going
[03:50] <Tux234> WHAT!
[03:50] <Tux234> command not found??
[03:50] <Se7h> yup
[03:50] <Tux234> oh boy :)
[03:51] <Tux234> Ok sudo apt-get install alsa then
[03:51] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[03:51] <crimsun> sudo alsaconf
[03:52] <Se7h> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities)
[03:52] <Tux234> Oops forgot about that thx crimson
[03:52] <Se7h> its already installed
[03:52] <crimsun> did you run sudo alsaconf?
[03:52] <Tux234> Huh?
[03:52] <Se7h> crimsun yup
[03:52] <crimsun> `which alsaconf'
[03:53] <Se7h> before that
[03:53] <Se7h> my "problem" is
[03:53] <Se7h> the current "codec" only plays sound from one application at a time
[03:54] <crimsun> use dmix.
[03:54] <crimsun> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaSharing
[03:54] <Se7h> last ubuntu installation i remember i've choosen one that played all sound requests from sys
[03:56] <Se7h> probably it was realy dmix
[03:56] <Se7h> but i've headed to a GUI to configure that
[03:56] <Se7h> it wasn't on the menus
[03:56] <Se7h> i had to run it from the terminal
[03:56] <Tux234> Hmm...
[03:57] <MrUnsocial> having some problems with the live cd ... after the progress bar goes all the way across screen goes out and pc is locked up ... I'm trying to get into linux and away from windows, still a noob at linux
[03:57] <Tux234> Lets see...
[03:57] <Tux234> Han on a sec
[03:58] <Se7h> ok
[03:58] <Se7h> i've got the name of it
[03:58] <Se7h> esd
[03:58] <Tux234> ok thx
[03:58] <Se7h> well then
[03:59] <Tux234> Do you know what your sound card is?
[03:59] <Se7h> that GUI shows up all possible "codecs"
[04:00] <Se7h> Tux234 C-Media (OnBoard)
[04:00] <Se7h> what for?
[04:00] <Tux234> ok one sec
[04:00] <Tux234> I'm tryin to figure out waht codec it uses
[04:01] <Se7h> don't bother with that
[04:01] <Se7h> i just need the command to access that GUI
[04:01] <Se7h> :\ can't remember what it was...
[04:02] <Tux234> OH :)
[04:02] <Tux234> one sec then
[04:02] <Se7h> lol
[04:02] <Se7h> ok
[04:02] <Tux234>  Geese I can think stright
[04:02] <MrUnsocial> hardware I'm trying to test it on is: amd athlon xp 3000+, 1gb pc2700, 52x cdrom, msi kt3 ultra R v2, ati 8500, no sound,nic or hdd ... any clue as to what's wrong ?
[04:02] <Se7h> =)
[04:03] <goatboy> Se7h: you're probably thinking of gstreamer-properties.
[04:03] <Se7h> MrUnsocial i think its on the cpu and mBoard....its broken and u should send me that hardware and buy new one ;P
[04:03] <Se7h> goatboy that's it
[04:03] <Tux234> Man My mind went blank
[04:03] <Se7h> eureka
[04:03] <Se7h> thanks dude
[04:04] <Tux234> Oh great goatboy gets all the glory :)
[04:04] <Tux234> Doh
[04:04] <Tux234> lol
[04:04] <Se7h> lolol
[04:04] <Se7h> ;P
[04:04] <Tux234> lol
[04:06] <Se7h> hmmm
[04:06] <MrUnsocial> my cpu and mobo work fine with winxp ... just trying to try out ubuntu
[04:06] <Se7h> input set on esd
[04:06] <Se7h> output on oss
[04:06] <jazzka> if I install manually java sdk, wich environment variables should I modify to get all working?
[04:06] <Se7h> should i change output to esd to ?
[04:06] <Tux234> Try it
[04:06] <Tux234> If not change input to OSS
[04:07] <Se7h> wunderbar
[04:07] <Se7h> all set
[04:07] <Se7h> :)
[04:07] <Tux234> hehe congrats
[04:08] <Se7h> aa..much better now
[04:08] <Se7h> ok, last thing to do is freeing my 200gb
[04:08] <Tux234> 200gb
[04:08] <Se7h> (i only have 1gb to move)
[04:08] <Tux234> (drools)
[04:08] <Se7h> yeah
[04:09] <Se7h> 40gb on the windows partition
[04:09] <Tux234> I wish i had that much :)
[04:09] <Se7h> and 160gb on my IcyBox (external hdd)
[04:09] <Se7h> :)
[04:09] <JakeandBake> storage space is overrated
[04:09] <Tux234> Ah-ha
[04:09] <JakeandBake> i have 360 GB
[04:09] <Se7h> :D
[04:09] <Tux234> WOWZA!
[04:09] <JakeandBake> i could get by just fine with 200 :-P
[04:09] <Se7h> well, i mean
[04:09] <Se7h> the external hdd
[04:09] <Se7h> actualy is no external hdd
[04:10] <Tux234> I can barely survive 60 :(
[04:10] <Se7h> its one normal IDE 
[04:10] <Tux234> :)
[04:10] <Se7h> inserted in one box
[04:10] <Se7h> plugged into USBO2.0
[04:10] <Se7h> :)
[04:10] <Se7h> 56MB/s
[04:10] <Se7h> *USB2.0
[04:11] <Tux234> Well looks like you know your way around wiring hehe :)
[04:11] <Se7h> a little
[04:11] <Tux234> Hopefully I'll have enough $ to build my own PC next week
[04:12] <Se7h> but this one i've get it builted
[04:12] <Tux234> I'm Gettin two 120's and puttin them in a RAID 0
[04:12] <Se7h> nice
[04:12] <Se7h> ;)
[04:12] <Tux234> thx :)
[04:12] <Tux234> I can't wait
[04:13] <Tux234> 60 too 240 is a BIG difference
[04:13] <Tux234> hehe ;)
[04:13] <zer0t|plasmo> :)
[04:13] <Tux234> bbiab
[04:14] <Se7h> <- Chieftec with amdXP 1800+, mBoard Asus, 512MB DDR266, 208gb
[04:14] <Se7h> and with one mod on the air cooling
[04:14] <Se7h> :)
[04:14] <tseng> guys, this is getting pretty OT
[04:14] <Se7h> ot ?
[04:14] <Se7h> ah
[04:14] <Se7h> ok
[04:14] <zer0t|plasmo> hot o.o
[04:14] <Se7h> sorry about that
[04:15] <jdub> i suggest #my-disk-is-bigger-than-your-disk
[04:15] <Se7h> jdub lol
[04:15] <Se7h> or a simple pvt
[04:15] <Se7h> ;P
[04:17] <Se7h> hmm
[04:17] <Se7h> i can i mount 2 partitions for one dir ?
[04:17] <Se7h> (lol)
[04:19] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ sudo umount /mnt/win3
[04:19] <Se7h> Password:
[04:19] <Se7h> umount: /mnt/win3: device is busy
[04:19] <MrUnsocial> which would be the best nic to use with ubuntu live cd of these three, generic with realtec 8139D chip, linksys lne100tx or a dlink dl10038D ?
[04:19] <Se7h> cant figure out what is it busy with
[04:19] <Se7h> :|
[04:22] <MrUnsocial> anyone ? ... should all of them work fine np ?
[04:22] <Se7h> cant help u on that
[04:22] <MrUnsocial> dont have any of those nic's ?
[04:23] <Se7h> i've never used that liveCD
[04:23] <Se7h> but
[04:24] <Se7h> forget it
[04:24] <Se7h> whats the nic ?
[04:24] <jazzka> any help installing mplayer+codecs on ubuntu or debian?
[04:24] <SamBozo> 8139 worked fine here
[04:25] <MrUnsocial> said it's almost exactly like regular install ... just use slightly different systems for auto-detection
[04:25] <Se7h> jazzka use totem-xine
[04:25] <MrUnsocial> k ... will try it then
[04:25] <jazzka> Se7h, nice solution ;)
[04:25] <Se7h> ;)
[04:25] <Se7h> its a easier one
[04:25] <Se7h> totem-gstream sukx
[04:25] <Se7h> lol
[04:26] <JStrike> Ok. There seem to be a lot of people complaining about multimedia. Why dont the developers just push the newer gstreamer and someone else can have ffmpeg on a separate server?
[04:26] <jazzka> well totem actually cant play wmv files
[04:26] <Se7h> jazzka mine plays
[04:26] <Se7h> :)
[04:27] <jazzka> Se7h, how is it possible?
[04:27] <JStrike> Se7h : gstreamer is very good.  You just had an old version
[04:27] <Se7h> well...actualy one wmv i have here, it didn't gave me the sound
[04:27] <Se7h> JStrike old or not
[04:27] <Se7h> ubuntu its recenet
[04:27] <Se7h> so
[04:27] <Se7h> its supposed to be with one
[04:27] <Se7h> ;P
[04:28] <Se7h> xine does the work fine
[04:28] <mdz> JStrike: the latest gstreamer is already in
[04:28] <JStrike> With playbin?
[04:28] <mdz> it still doesn't seem to work particularly well for me with video
[04:28] <Se7h> mdz me neither
[04:28] <mdz> 0.8.7
[04:28] <JStrike> And you had ffmpeg?
[04:28] <Se7h> so i've removed it
[04:28] <Se7h> and installed xine
[04:29] <JStrike> I think the new ffmpeg was only released yesterday
[04:30] <jazzka> what can I install/add to view wmv files on totem?
[04:30] <JStrike> The pre-release is actually what you want
[04:30] <JStrike> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/pre/
[04:32] <JStrike> jazzka : You will need w32codec and xine and totem-xine. Or just install a gst-ffmpeg(I think it supports wmv, although I could be wrong)
[04:32] <Se7h> jazzka totem-xine does it
[04:32] <jazzka> just tell me the name of the package :)
[04:32] <JStrike> if it is wmv 9, nothing plays it that I have found
[04:33] <Se7h> jazzka totem-xine
[04:33] <JStrike> demanding
[04:33] <jazzka> ok
[04:33] <jazzka> well, I've using mplayer until now, and I could play ANY multimedia file type
[04:34] <tseng> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC16
[04:36] <JStrike> Then there we go. Install ffmpeg
[04:36] <JStrike> And how on earth did you manage to play wmv 9, with DRM?
[04:36] <Se7h> lolol
[04:37] <tck> whats a good tool to play DVD's with ubuntu ?
[04:38] <crimsun> totem-xine
[04:38] <crimsun> mplayer
[04:38] <tck> cool
[04:38] <tck> will have a look at it
[04:38] <Se7h> or totem
[04:38] <Se7h> lol ;P
[04:38] <tck> well i find it just freezes
[04:38] <jazzka> what about integration between mozilla or firefox and those players?
[04:38] <tck> totem at the mo' does
[04:39] <tck> *n't
 totem at the mo' does
 *n't
[04:39] <Se7h> uh?
[04:39] <tck> doesn't
[04:39] <Se7h> witch totem ?
[04:39] <Se7h> gstream ?
[04:40] <tck> um.. Totem Movie Player under multimedia 
[04:40] <Se7h> yeah i know
[04:40] <Se7h> but....there r two of them
[04:40] <tck> aha
[04:40] <Se7h> totem-gstream and totem-xine
[04:40] <tck> :))
[04:41] <tck> so gstream is on by default?
[04:41] <Se7h> yes
[04:41] <tck> well that don't play mt 'taxi driver' dvd :P
[04:41] <Se7h> it doesn't support much
[04:41] <Se7h> but about dvd's
[04:41] <Se7h> cant tell
[04:42] <Se7h> never played one on gstream
[04:42] <jazzka> multimedia on linux is quite difficult :(
[04:42] <Se7h> le' me check if the xine does it
[04:42] <crimsun> difficult? depends on the hardware. :)
[04:42] <Se7h> true
[04:42] <JStrike> ubuntu cant distribute ffmpeg with totem-gstreamer for legal reasons. Just download it
[04:43] <Se7h> aaah
[04:43] <JakeandBake> I would really like to see an "illegal" distro out there that makes something because it works....screw copywrong
[04:43] <JStrike> Xine will need libdvdplay, libdvdread and libdvdnav
[04:43] <Se7h> tck same here, DVD can't be played on totem then
[04:43] <pepsi> is she hot?
[04:43] <crimsun> heh, that distro will last about two months
[04:43] <tck> doh
 Xine will need libdvdplay, libdvdread and libdvdnav
[04:44] <Se7h> there
[04:44] <tck> JStrike, where does one get  ffmpeg 
[04:44] <SamBozo> when I went to install totem-xine it removed totem-gstreamer
[04:45] <|trey|> crimsun: what distro are you refering to?
[04:45] <|trey|> SamBozo: yes, its supposed to...
[04:45] <SamBozo> ok
[04:45] <tck> xine aint in the universe mirros :/
[04:45] <crimsun> |trey|: < JakeandBake> I would really like to see an "illegal" distro out there that makes something because it works....screw copywrong
[04:45] <Se7h> tck totem-xine
[04:46] <JStrike> tck : Not sure. I dont run Ubuntu yet
[04:46] <tck> ah :)
[04:46] <Se7h> ;)
[04:47] <JStrike> But ask somebody and I am sure they can make debs out of http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/pre/
[04:47] <|trey|> crimsun: hah... yes, that wouldn't get too far... enless it was a purely community based distro... if the main source for software can't be found, they have no one to sue, so how would the stop it?
[04:47] <jdub> JStrike: they already exist in debian
[04:47] <jazzka> any package for debian with codecs?
[04:47] <Se7h> JStrike "alien"
[04:47] <jdub> jazzka: w32codecs in marillat's repo
[04:47] <Se7h> ;)
[04:47] <JStrike> jdub : The pre-release?
[04:47] <jazzka> where?
[04:47] <jdub> jazzka: it's noted on the faq
[04:47] <jdub> or on the list archives
[04:48] <|trey|> jdub: you should talk to Christian about getting on board  :)   he maintains a lot of GNOME stuff also, so would fit right in  :)
[04:48] <Qo-noS> jazzka: # Marillat's repository for acidrip, acroread, acroread-debian-files, acroread-plugin, avidemux, etc
[04:48] <Qo-noS> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:49] <Se7h> Totem could not play 'dvd:/'.
[04:49] <pepsi> does anybody here use vmware? how can i avoid having to run the configure script after every boot?
[04:49] <Se7h> The movie could not be read.
[04:49] <Se7h> still can't play it
[04:49] <WW_> jazzka: See the bottom of this web page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:49] <|trey|> pepsi: have it loaded during boot?
[04:50] <calc> |trey|: eh i thought christian threw a fit and stopped maintaining any of gnome
[04:50] <|trey|> pepsi: add the script to /etc/init.d and run update-rc.d
[04:50] <|trey|> pepsi: don't message me, you don't know me, it is impolite
[04:50] <jdub> |trey|: marillat? he doesn't maintain any gnome stuff anymore
[04:50] <jdub> |trey|: he, um, probably wouldn't fit in too weel
[04:51] <|trey|> jdub: ahh... ok, nm  :)
[04:51] <jazzka> i've go to go now
[04:51] <Se7h> grrrr
[04:51] <Se7h> umount: /mnt/win1: device is busy
[04:51] <Se7h> umount: /mnt/win1: device is busy
[04:51] <Se7h> can't figure it out
[04:51] <pepsi> mkay
[04:51] <crimsun> lsof|grep /mnt/win1
[04:51] <Se7h> hwat is it busy with
[04:52] <Se7h> didn't return a thing
[04:52] <Se7h> :|
[04:53] <|trey|> Se7h: stupid question, check pwd and make sure you are not in that dir when you are typing...
[04:53] <crimsun> are you _in_ /mnt/win1 ?
[04:53] <|trey|> crimsun: snap  ;)
[04:53] <Se7h> lol
[04:53] <Se7h> no
[04:53] <Se7h> thats the thing
[04:53] <Se7h> im not in it
[04:53] <|trey|> Se7h: have a safety pin handy?
[04:54] <Se7h> or using any of the files...i guess
[04:54] <Se7h> |trey|uh?
[04:54] <|trey|> Se7h: no, you are using files... or you umounted as the wrong user  :/
[04:54] <Se7h> hmmm
[04:55] <Se7h> lets see..
[04:55] <|trey|> Se7h: you didn't know you can manually open a CD player with a safety pin? there is a little whole on the front   :)
[04:55] <|trey|> pepsi: STOP BEING ANNOYING!
[04:55] <pepsi> fuck off
[04:55] <|trey|> --- Received a CTCP VERSION from pepsi
[04:55] <Se7h> erm
[04:55] <Se7h> round 1, fight
[04:55] <Se7h> |trey| ah that...
[04:55] <Se7h> but its a hdd
[04:55] <Se7h> not a cd
[04:55] <Se7h> ;P
[04:56] <tck> fight fight!
[04:57] <calc> "/ctcp foo annoy" works better
[04:57] <housetier> /ignore *!*@* ctcp works best
[04:58] <tck> just set ur irc_hide_version set to: 1
[04:59] <|trey|> housetier: happen to know that is Xchat-enese?
[04:59] <|trey|> tck: ugh, thats irssi... not using it here currently...
[04:59] <crimsun> there's a menu option to hide versions in x-chat
[04:59] <tck> xchat actually :)
[04:59] <Se7h> xchat powa ;P
[04:59] <pepsi> its under the server menu :P
[04:59] <Se7h> ok...
[04:59] <Se7h> im stuck
[05:00] <Se7h> the device is busy
[05:00] <Se7h> and dunno why
[05:00] <housetier> |trey|, it is xchat-enese, see /help ignore for more details
[05:00] <|trey|> housetier: here... copy and paste = _everyone_ ignored  :(
[05:01] <housetier> for whitelisting: /ignore <whoever> ctcp unig
[05:01] <housetier> or use the appropriate window
[05:01] <tck> or simple get trin00
[05:02] <Se7h> cant i force it to umount the device?
[05:03] <housetier> umount -f
[05:03] <housetier> might not work always though
[05:03] <defendguin> hmmm not getting any sound when i try to play a cd on my laptop
[05:04] <Se7h> oh good
[05:04] <Se7h> umount2: Device or resource busy
[05:04] <Se7h> umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted
[05:04] <Se7h> umount: /mnt/win1: Illegal seek
[05:04] <Se7h> lol
[05:04] <tck> Se7h, Error occured : movie could not be read
[05:04] <|trey|> Se7h: two choices, leave it mounted, or restart  :(
[05:04] <tck> i heard music from the pre-intro intro
[05:05] <crimsun> pre-intro intro?
[05:05] <housetier> seems to be unmounted now...
[05:05] <Se7h> housetier but it is
[05:05] <|trey|> crimsun: when gdm starts, same sound as gnome starting.
[05:05] <Se7h> i can access the files
[05:05] <Se7h> lol
[05:05] <tck> crimsun, theres a little 6-7 sec trailer that introduces the producer (with a little bit of music)
[05:05] <Se7h> well
[05:05] <tck> before the copyright > menu etc..
[05:05] <Se7h> gues i'll restart this
[05:05] <Se7h> brb
[05:06] <crimsun> |trey|: ah.
[05:06] <tck> now it plays the first 7 secs intro, then stops with the same error
[05:06] <tck> how annoying
[05:07] <|trey|> tck: at least its narrowed down pretty well... sys sound works, gnome sound (for that user) does not.
[05:07] <|trey|> just have to ask yourself why  :)
[05:07] <tck> im gonna try 'wargames' 
[05:08] <|trey|> tck: trying wargames = make everyone who cares go look to find out how wargames accesses sound  :/
[05:09] <tck> damn, it can't read this DVD either
[05:09] <|trey|> tck: *coughmplayerisgodcough*
[05:10] <|trey|> Not really though, except in your case, it should be  :/
[05:10] <|trey|> tck: already added marillats sources?
[05:11] <tck> no, 
[05:11] <|trey|> tck: then you need to make a detour to apt-get.org
[05:13] <tck> nothing showing for marillats
[05:13] <Se7h> did msn just blew ?
[05:13] <Se7h> lol
[05:13] <|trey|> tck: search for "mplayer-nogui" and add the one that states "marillat" and "nerim" to your sources.list
[05:13] <tck> ah cool
[05:14] <SamBozo> where and what codex do I need to add to totem-xine ?
[05:14] <hornbeck> w32codecs libdvdcss2
[05:15] <|trey|> SamBozo: do what I just told tck, cept you're looking for w32codecs
[05:15] <|trey|> tck: don't message me
[05:15] <tck> it was a robot
[05:15] <SamBozo> let em read up
[05:15] <|trey|> tck: didn't even look at it, you want the one that states "sid" as its distrib
[05:16] <tseng>  /topic next person to ask about dvd, mplayer, etc will burn
[05:16] <tseng> :/
[05:16] <crimsun> hay where can i get mono packages?
[05:16] <crimsun> ?????!
[05:16] <|trey|> tseng: it really really really really really should be in a faq someplace by now?
[05:17] <|trey|> and I think my point should count for more due to actually typing those "really" 's instead of cheating  ;)
[05:17] <tck> so should a gnome tool for mounting crypto filesystems :(
[05:17] <tseng> its in the wiki
[05:18] <tseng> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:19] <|trey|> tck: the filesystem type has nothing to do with gnome... gnome just looks at the filesystem in its current state, and any remote filesystems it has access to, and displays them to the user in a logical mannor...
[05:19] <tseng> anyone can edit the pages.
[05:19] <hornbeck> what needs to be added?
[05:19] <hornbeck> I will put it up real quick
[05:19] <defendguin> can anyone guess why i dont hear any sound when i try to play a CD?
[05:19] <tck> |trey| : just automation is a handy feature, such as say drakloop for mdk
[05:19] <tseng> hornbeck: well, people are still constantly asking about multimedia support
[05:20] <|trey|> hornbeck: faq guy?  :)
[05:20] <tseng> hornbeck: i couldve sworn there was something pretty comprehensive already
[05:20] <hornbeck> tseng: there is
[05:20] <hornbeck> we have been adding stuff constantly for multimedia
[05:21] <hornbeck> people just need to look better :)
[05:21] <tseng> there isnt a link from the faq in the topic to the one in the wiki
[05:21] <hornbeck> hmmm
[05:21] <|trey|> tck: umm, ubuntu is working on automation via python (why do you think there are about 30-40 python packages?)
[05:21] <tseng> hornbeck: perhaps there should be a single faq?
[05:21] <|trey|> tck: Ubuntu just needs to develop some front ends, it will take time...
[05:21] <tck> aye
[05:21] <tseng> hornbeck: or at least a link.
[05:22] <WW_> I added "How do a play a DVD?" quite a while ago, and it appears to have both migrated and morphed into the bottom of: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:22] <hornbeck> tseng: I don't have anything to do with the faq on the website
[05:22] <WW_> I think it has become a little more confusing in the process.
[05:22] <GOwin> irunning webmin on ubuntu. what's the admin's username?
[05:23] <|trey|> GOwin: root, root is deactivated, webmin is not supported... noticing a pattern?
[05:23] <defendguin> hmmm
[05:23] <GOwin> hmm
[05:23] <hornbeck> tseng: on the wiki there is a link to the site faq
[05:24] <tseng> mdz: do you have a thought on a link from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ to the nice faq on the wiki? or possibly merging them in the future.
[05:24] <mdz> tseng: read the top of the wiki page; the wiki content is periodically flushed to the website
[05:24] <hornbeck> mdz: there is still info on the wiki that has been there for awhile and never been moved
[05:25] <hornbeck> is a link not possable?
[05:25] <tck> who maintains the ubuntu FAQ
[05:26] <mdz> I am not sure whether a link is possible; the www.ubuntulinux.org FAQ is generated from the various FAQ entries, it's not a static page
[05:26] <hornbeck> hmm
[05:27] <defendguin> god damn i cant seem to get the cd volume up
[05:27] <Se7h> yahaha
[05:27] <Se7h> mke2fs -j on the fly;P
[05:27] <mdz> hornbeck: the one which was not moved for a long time was because the instructions were (And still are) changing
[05:27] <mdz> the question itself should probably move into the www FAQ and link back to the wiki for the details
[05:28] <defendguin> as soon as i close the volume control the CD volume says mute again which leads me to believe that the volume is never changed in the first place
[05:28] <|trey|> defendguin: turn it up via both tabs in Applications > Multimedia > Volume Control
[05:28] <|trey|> defendguin: + make sure neither are muted
[05:30] <hornbeck> mdz: the mono faq is still on the wiki
[05:30] <hornbeck> the site just says coming next release
[05:30] <|trey|> Havoc has been bitching a lot about that a lot lately  :/
[05:30] <mdz> hornbeck: that one is temporary until the packages move into the archive proper
[05:30] <hornbeck> ok
[05:31] <mdz> which they were supposed to have done some time ago, if I'm not mistaken
[05:31] <tseng> yeah im kinda confused whats going on
[05:31] <mdz> tseng: are you just waiting for someone to upload the packages?
[05:31] <clee> mdz: you guys still on for a release on the 13th?
[05:31] <mdz> clee: yes
[05:31] <clee> mdz: sweet.
[05:31] <tseng> mdz: i think so, im very unclear on the process
[05:31] <hazmat> mdz, what sort of desktop apps are being worked on? ..
[05:32] <mdz> tseng: there's a lot going on, but I seem to recall discussing this with jdub and there being agreement that the packages should go in
[05:32] <mdz> jdub: confirm?
[05:32] <calc> clee: infiltrating redhat with ubuntu cd's?
[05:32] <hazmat> i saw some reference to a new package management app
[05:32] <clee> calc: :)
[05:32] <jdub> mdz: yes, absolutely
[05:32] <tseng> mdz: he mentioned it again a few days ago
[05:32] <tseng> yeah.
[05:32] <mdz> tseng: ok, let's take care of that RFN
[05:32] <tseng> ok
[05:32] <hazmat> just curious what other sorts of things are in the works, cause i'd like to do some coding as well, and would rather avoid duplicate efforts.
[05:32] <tseng> since we last talked about it i fixed a bug in my monodevelop package
[05:32] <tseng> there is one more i could fix right quick
[05:32] <jdub> hazmat: we're not really directly working on desktop apps
[05:32] <tseng> the rest should be ok.. all from sid
[05:33] <jdub> hazmat: best to leap in with gnome :)
[05:33] <tck> In config editor, under /apps/nautilus/desktop : theres an option for "Documents icon visible on desktop"
[05:33] <hazmat> okay, i was thinking a service management applet for managing symlinks for runlevels.
[05:33] <hornbeck> jdub: do you want the user manual in yelp to be made Ubuntu specific?
[05:33] <tck> it doesn't seem to appear when clicked!
[05:33] <hazmat> er. not applet .. app
[05:33] <mdz> jdub,tseng: so, everything at http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ?
[05:33] <mdz> jdub,tseng: is any of that not in universe yet (previous version)?
[05:33] <pepsi> hi
[05:34] <tseng> mdz: mono, maybe gtk-sharp are in but old
[05:34] <mdz> tseng: I don't see a mono source package in that dir
[05:34] <tseng> i got it from sid
[05:34] <jdub> tseng: what about tomboy/monodevelop?
[05:34] <mdz> ok, I need a complete list of (source package, version) and where to find them
[05:34] <tseng> i only uploaded source that i changed
[05:34] <mdz> and I will get them uploaded tonight
[05:35] <tseng> which was tomboy ( me/jdub packaged it ) and i edited monodevelop
[05:35] <jdub> tseng: perhaps we should get tomboy into sid
[05:35] <jdub> tseng: bug azeem about it :-)
[05:35] <tseng> jdub: ok, i think my (our) pkg is solid now
[05:35] <tseng> its been on the waiting list for awhile @ debian
[05:36] <jdub> cool
[05:36] <tseng> requested by robot101
[05:36] <tseng> azeem: up for adding tomboy pkg to debian proper?
[05:36] <hazmat> do the mono packages include binfmt tweaks for direct execution of .exe ? 
[05:36] <tseng> hazmat: yes.
[05:36] <tseng> its the same as in sid
[05:37] <hazmat> cool
[05:37] <jdub> tseng: if azeem isn't up for it, seb128 might be, or someone else in #gnome-debian
[05:38] <tseng> rgr.
[05:38] <mdz> tseng: so far I have monodevelop_0.5.1-3 and tomboy_0.1.2-2 from your repository
[05:38] <tseng> mdz: ok
[05:38] <mdz> tseng: please confirm which packages are needed from sid, and which versions you tested with
[05:39] <tseng>  mono, mono-assemblies-arch, monodoc, gecko-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp, libgdiplus, gtk-sharp
[05:40] <tseng> mono* 1.0.1
[05:40] <tseng> gecko-sharp, gtksourceview-sharp 0.5
[05:40] <tseng> muine 0.6.3
[05:40] <tseng> there is a bug upstream in monodevelop that i have a fix for, I have not added yet
[05:41] <tck> i've been having a problem with my usb-key, it hasn't been working, i have updated to 2.6.8.1-3-686, having been told about a usb error issue - but to no avail
[05:41] <tck> any ideas?
[05:42] <mdz> gecko-sharp 0.5 is already in universe
[05:43] <Phr0stByte> tck: I am using the same kernel and have no probs here
[05:44] <tck> really, hmm and it just automatically detected ur key?
[05:44] <mdz> likewise for muine 0.6.3
[05:44] <tck> where did it mount /media ?
[05:44] <Phr0stByte> tck: Yes - I have a Lexar JumpDrive
[05:45] <tck> having checked dmesg, usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 6 : is the only thing i get
[05:45] <Phr0stByte> tck: on /sda1
[05:45] <tck> can i ask, when u un-mount it
[05:46] <tck> is sda1 still under /dev
[05:46] <tck> or does it disappear ?
[05:47] <defendguin> where is the boot log kept?
[05:47] <tck> defendguin : /var/log/boot ?
[05:48] <Phr0stByte> tck: it does dissapear
[05:48] <defendguin> tck nope
[05:48] <tck> ok, good i thought there was a permanent scsi link
[05:48] <ultrafunk> tck: have you tried booting your machine without ACPI turned on?
[05:49] <tck> ultrafunk, no i dont think so
[05:49] <Phr0stByte> tck: I did recompile this kernel though, trying to get my Wacom drawing tablet working
[05:49] <tck> isnt that a battery feature?
[05:49] <Phr0stByte> tck: (Wich never has worked)
[05:50] <ultrafunk> tck: you might want to try booting with "acpi=off" as a kernel argument
[05:51] <Phr0stByte> ultrafunk: why?
[05:51] <Phr0stByte> ultrafunk: why would that affect USB?
[05:51] <tck> how does battery affect the usb ?
[05:51] <ultrafunk> tck: ACPI does a lot more than just control a battery, btw -- but it does have trouble on some older, or more broken machines
[05:51] <tck> how does one enforce that option on a kernel boot
[05:51] <pepsi> acpi seems to break everything for me
[05:51] <DamageControl> hey
[05:52] <ultrafunk> Phr0stByte: i've seen at least two machines where running ACPI broke usb-storage, but APM was fine
[05:52] <DamageControl> I got a question. Its a dumb one since I bet a lot of people ask it
[05:52] <Phr0stByte> ultrafunk: strange
[05:52] <ultrafunk> Phr0stByte: my thoughts exactly.
[05:53] <Phr0stByte> ultrafunk: though, I have seen it freeze systems also
[05:53] <DamageControl> I cannot set my res higher than 800x600
[05:53] <Se7h> maaannn i got scared now
[05:54] <Se7h> thought i had lost all my documents
[05:54] <Se7h> dam
[05:54] <Se7h> my heart stopped
[05:54] <tck> DamageControl, try : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:54] <pepsi> Se7h, that means you need to backup more often ;)
[05:54] <ultrafunk> tck: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions?action=highlight&value=acpi (see question 5)
[05:54] <tck> ultrafunk, thx
[05:55] <Se7h> pepsi thats exactly what i've done...but i formated the other partitions and suddenly my backyp one didn't mount
[05:55] <Se7h> 0.0
[05:55] <tck> right, wish me luck
[05:56] <tck> make or brake time :))
[05:56] <ultrafunk> Phr0stByte: the new ACPI code seems a lot more troublesome on boxes that support *both* APM and ACPI
[05:56] <DamageControl> says that the dpkg-reconfigure command does not exist
[05:56] <dieman> anyone have a recent (post-warty-preview) ubuntu install want to tell me what filesystems are listed under the cdrom line in fstab?
[05:56] <Phr0stByte> ultrafunk: Yeah - With Mandrake, I had to turn it off
[05:58] <Se7h> dieman
[05:58] <Se7h> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:58] <Se7h> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:58] <dieman> Se7h: ok, so its just me
[05:58] <dieman> thanks :0
[05:58] <Phr0stByte> dieman: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:58] <Phr0stByte> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:58] <Se7h> np
[05:58] <Se7h> ;)
[05:58] <dieman> the 'old' ones didn't have udf in there
[05:58] <dieman> didn't want to file a bug if it no longer exists
[05:58] <dieman> my dvd-ram drive was not-happy
[05:58] <Se7h> lolol ;P
[05:58] <dieman> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf
[05:58] <dieman> mmmmm
[05:59] <dieman> im busy doing monthly home backups
[06:00] <dieman> damnit
[06:00] <dieman> it mounts the sucker ro
[06:00] <dieman> theres a bug :0
[06:00] <dieman> :)
[06:01] <Se7h> uh?
[06:01] <Se7h> isn't it suppose to ?
[06:01] <Se7h> cdrom = ro
[06:01] <dieman> dvd-ram is rw
[06:02] <Se7h> ah
[06:02] <dieman> its a block device :)
[06:02] <Se7h> but thats no eason
[06:02] <dieman> its really nice.
[06:02] <Se7h> i think
[06:02] <Se7h> *reason
[06:02] <Se7h> dvd-ram ?
[06:02] <dieman> I don't think theres any harm in requesting rw there.
[06:02] <dieman> it will use ro if the media doesn't support it
[06:02] <Phr0stByte> dieman: is ro in fstab for the device?
[06:02] <Phr0stByte> *in
[06:02] <dieman> yeah, im going to change it to rw
[06:03] <Se7h> lol
[06:03] <Se7h> there u go
[06:03] <Phr0stByte> That should work
[06:10] <WW_> About getting Java... The RestrictedFormats page on the wiki suggests getting blackdown debs from http://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian (but doesn't actually say what debs to get).  The ubuntu FAQ gives this link: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian, but it also suggests http://z42.de/debian/.  This sight appears to be old, however.
[06:11] <WW_> ...so what is really the recommended way?
[06:12] <neighborlee> odd...my CD didn't automount nor did the icon come up on my desktop..have I somehow disabled this feature ? ;-) ( or is this a bug in a updated package/file)
[06:14] <tck> neighborlee, go to Applications > System Tools > Config Editor | then to Apps > Nautilus > Desktop
[06:14] <tck> u can choose what icons to show etc..
[06:14] <neighborlee> was this changed in a subsequent update ?
[06:14] <tck> ?
[06:14] <neighborlee> I know for sure my CD's automounted  right after install
[06:14] <tck> by default its off
[06:14] <neighborlee> nope
[06:15] <neighborlee> after I installed ubuntu I had working automounting CD's
[06:15] <tck> im just talking about the icons, it should auto-mount
[06:15] <neighborlee> its not
[06:15] <neighborlee> oh wait I know whats wrong LOL
[06:15] <neighborlee> I forgot I added another CDROM drive thus I must update fstab ..ugh
[06:16] <tseng> mdz: need anything else before I sleep?
[06:17] <neighborlee> tseng, sorry for that :(
[06:22] <mazza> geez. huge room.
[06:23] <mazza> ok. I hope to find people here to help me :o/
[06:24] <mazza> i'm considering moving to ubuntu. where can i find information about installed packages?
[06:27] <mazza> more specifically. i'd like to know if ubuntu comes with X.org or XFree?
[06:27] <phlaegel> xfree
[06:27] <phlaegel> xorg next release
[06:27] <tck> XFree
[06:27] <mazza> ok.
[06:27] <tck> the next release will have X.org apparently
[06:27] <mazza> i'm willing to change from slackware to debian.
[06:28] <deebee> Same here.
[06:28] <mazza> but debian seems to be too burocratic.
[06:28] <tck> has anyone used X.org - whats it like
[06:28] <deebee> I'm planning to move to Ubuntu
[06:28] <mazza> ubuntu sounds more dynamik to me.
[06:28] <crimsun> tck: outwardly precisely the same as XFree86 w/ a few noticeable exceptions in new features.
[06:28] <phlaegel> xorg isn't really very different yet. some nice changes in 6.8, but nothing really uses any new features yet.
[06:28] <mazza> deebee : same reason?
[06:29] <tck> transparency is a big thing for it ?
[06:29] <deebee> mazza, No. I'm just more loyal to GNOME than Slackware
[06:29] <neptho> I have a rather odd query regarding the generic esd/gnome configuration.  Way back in neverland when I was using arts under KDE, It would allow passthrough so one program wouldn't have an exclusive lock on the audio device.  Is this possible with esd?
[06:29] <neighborlee> is anyone else having trouble installing ut2k4 ?...I can't get first CD to unmount LOL
[06:29] <mazza> phlaegel : it's more about new licensing then new techs.
[06:29] <phlaegel> tck: transparency is part of the compositing extension, which makes all kinds of nice graphical touches possible.
[06:29] <phlaegel> mazza: yep
[06:30] <phlaegel> debian xfree is heavily patched though.
[06:30] <Se7h> wooo
[06:30] <Se7h> i got a ghost partition here
[06:31] <mazza> deebee : i was looking for a better package control, slackware is too weak.
[06:31] <crimsun> dpkg-based distros are great
[06:31] <Se7h> /dev/hda6              20G   18G  2.1G  90% /mnt/backup
[06:31] <Se7h>  <-df -h
[06:31] <crimsun> (imo of course)
[06:31] <phlaegel> mazza: doesn't get a whole lot better than apt
[06:31] <Se7h> /dev/hda5        14330043    55295792    20482875   83  Linux
[06:31] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $
[06:31] <mazza> deebee : Conectiva Linux has ported apt to RPM, it's a good option.
[06:31] <mazza> deebee : and also yast from suse is a very good tool.
[06:31] <Se7h> :|
[06:31] <Se7h> wtf ?
[06:31] <crimsun> (i prefer yum on rpm-based ones)
[06:31] <thom_> apt is the best
[06:32] <q2> yes
[06:32] <q2> it is
[06:32] <deebee> mazza, I've never tried others packages other than RPM and Slack's
[06:32] <phlaegel> yum drives me nuts.
[06:32] <mazza> phlaegel : do you mean comparing .tgz with .deb?
[06:32] <thom_> r there any lists of all the ubuntu apt package lists ne where?
[06:33] <mazza> deebee : even using RPM in slack, IMO it's a weak package management.
[06:33] <phlaegel> mazza: just in terms of managing packages, apt works very very well. I haven't used slack for any amount of time.
[06:33] <Skif> what component should I file a RFP under?
[06:34] <Skif> in ubuntu bugzilla, that is
[06:34] <jdub> thom_: in the wiki
[06:34] <deebee> I haven't had any complains regarding Slack's packaging. It really is just the GNOME issue.
[06:34] <mazza> phlaegel : i'm tired of look for dependencies by my self.
[06:34] <mazza> phlaegel : i want a tool to do this for me.
[06:34] <mazza> phlaegel : and IMO apt is the best tool to do this.
[06:34] <phlaegel> so install ubuntu already ;-)
[06:35] <mazza> deebee : .tgz works very well. I just want more.
[06:35] <tck> thom_ : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[06:35] <mazza> phlaegel : i'm still studying. 
[06:35] <mazza> I'll also take a look at Gentoo.
[06:35] <mazza> A friend of mine told me is a good distro.
[06:36] <phlaegel> gentoo is fun for a while. I ran it for about a year and a half.
[06:36] <Se7h> whu the hell a partition shows up on "df -h" and its not on fdisk table ?
[06:36] <Se7h> whi the hell a partition shows up on "df -h" and its not on fdisk table ?
[06:36] <Se7h> dam
[06:36] <mdz> tseng: still here?
[06:36] <Se7h> *why
[06:36] <kaplanfx> Se7h: is it tmpfs?
[06:36] <tseng> mdz: yes
[06:36] <Se7h> nop
[06:36] <kaplanfx> whut is it?
[06:36] <Se7h> ext3
[06:36] <bborkk> punkass: Yo.
[06:36] <mazza> does gentoo has a package managm. that verifies dependencies?
[06:36] <Se7h> logical
[06:36] <punkass> sup
[06:37] <Skif> Um, anybody?  Looking for an ubuntu component to file an rfp against, or should I do that another way?
[06:37] <joem> mazza, ask in #gentoo maybe :)
[06:37] <deebee> mazza, Yeah. It does.
[06:37] <kaplanfx> look in your fstab
[06:37] <bborkk> punkass: Looked through your pyfi code and tried it out.
[06:37] <neptho> Yeah, but gentoo is not the easiest distribution to configure.
[06:37] <neighborlee> has no one installed ut2k4 ?
[06:37] <kaplanfx> that is odd though
[06:37] <thom_> getoo has something very good for packages its like bsd ports sytem
[06:37] <kaplanfx> if it exists fdisk should know about it
[06:37] <mazza> joem : duh. 
[06:37] <punkass> and how'd it go?
[06:37] <Se7h> kaplanfx indeed....
[06:37] <Se7h> dude
[06:37] <kaplanfx> Se7h: how big is it?  is it writeable?
[06:37] <Se7h> fstab does its work
[06:37] <mazza> joem : of course, should have though about it before :o)
[06:37] <kaplanfx> huh?
[06:37] <bborkk> punkass: It kind of worked on my machine, but kind of didn't also.
[06:37] <thom_> called emerge i think
[06:37] <Se7h> df -h shows it
[06:37] <punkass> bborkk: in what way?
[06:38] <Se7h> *spam*
[06:38] <kaplanfx> Se7h: cat /etc/fstab
[06:38] <bborkk> punkass: I'm not much of a *nix programmer, so reading though your code was a great learning experience, BTW.
[06:38] <Se7h> /dev/hda6              20G   18G  2.1G  90% /mnt/backup
[06:38] <neptho> emerge is easy to contend with, but the frist tiem a new user puts ARCH="~86" and blows away everything that works... and ties to revert by removing it... ello reinstall.  :)
[06:38] <kaplanfx> Se7h: thats the partition?
[06:38] <bborkk> punkass: The application just hung a lot of the time.
[06:38] <Se7h> /dev/hda5        14330043    55295792    20482875   83  Linux
[06:38] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ sudo mount /dev/hda6
[06:38] <punkass> good stuff.
[06:38] <punkass> oh
[06:38] <Se7h> kaplanfx yes
[06:38] <punkass> yeah..its cuz i have to learn how to seperate the I/O from the GUI
[06:39] <bborkk> punkass: I had to remove my wireless module (ipw2200) and reload it to get things going again.
[06:39] <punkass> did u edit the ndiswrapper part?
[06:39] <kaplanfx> hmm, I wonder do logical drives typically get display when printing the partition table in fdisk?
[06:39] <kaplanfx> I assume its a yes
[06:39] <Se7h> kaplanfx hda6 isn't shown on fdisk -l
[06:39] <punkass> bborkk: i forgot i left that in there...hard coded
[06:39] <bborkk> punkass: The output to the terminal in which I started the app (using gksudo) had funny output also... only the first half of the line would print.
[06:39] <Se7h> kaplanfx sure they do
[06:40] <kaplanfx> yeah hrm
[06:40] <Se7h> hda5 its logical 
[06:40] <kaplanfx> I only have primary partitions
[06:40] <bborkk> punkass: Ahhh.... I was wondering why that was there... I didn't think it was needed for every card.
[06:40] <kaplanfx> yep, only 1-4 should be primary
[06:40] <Se7h> cant figure it out
[06:40] <Se7h> this is very odd
[06:40] <kaplanfx> Se7h: oh I know what it is
[06:40] <punkass> bborkk: you could add your ipw2000 module there so it loads it if its not already
[06:40] <ushooz> anybody know where to place system boot commands. ie rc.local in other distros
[06:40] <Se7h> what ?
[06:40] <kaplanfx> is that like a dell or something
[06:41] <Se7h> uh ?
[06:41] <kaplanfx> er from some big manufacturer
[06:41] <bborkk> punkass: As promised, I made plenty of comments regarding the code.
[06:41] <punkass> glad to hear it
[06:41] <Se7h> kaplanfx no no, the table just displayed minutes ago
[06:41] <Se7h> lol
[06:41] <deebee> Wow.
[06:41] <kaplanfx> some of them ghost the initial install to a partition
[06:41] <deebee> Ubuntu runs on Macs
[06:41] <Se7h> thats the oddest thing
[06:41] <Se7h> ;P
[06:41] <punkass> do u just launch it from a laucher? using gksudo?
[06:42] <bborkk> punkass: Might have even found a bug.  Either that, or I didn't understand well enough what you were trying to do.
[06:42] <kaplanfx> then they hide it from the partition table
[06:42] <kaplanfx> Se7h: can you mount it?
[06:42] <Se7h> sure
[06:42] <Se7h> /dev/hda6              20G   18G  2.1G  90% /mnt/backup
[06:42] <kaplanfx> Se7h: mount it and do an ls /mnt/backup
[06:42] <Se7h> i've showned u before
[06:42] <punkass> bborkk: more than likely u did :)
[06:42] <kaplanfx> see if it has some windows cabs files and stuff
[06:42] <bborkk> punkass: I started it using the gksudo command found in the comments from the command line.
[06:42] <Se7h> windows cabs?
[06:43] <Se7h> well...its a windows partitiion in fact
[06:43] <kaplanfx> Se7h: did you buy the system from a manufacturer?
[06:43] <punkass> bborkk: yeah but u can use that in a laucher not just in the command line
[06:43] <kaplanfx> fat32 or ntfs?
[06:43] <bborkk> punkass: Like I said, I'm not much of a *nix programmer, let alone a GNOME programmer... what's a launcher? :)
[06:43] <kaplanfx> there is a /mnt/backup/windows dir yes?
[06:43] <defendguin> where are the ubuntu boot logs kept?
[06:43] <Se7h> ntfs
[06:43] <bborkk> punkass: Little thingy in the panel?
[06:43] <Se7h> but thats nothing to do with it
[06:43] <punkass> bborkk: gnomes name for a shortcut
[06:43] <bborkk> punkass: Otherwise known as LTP
[06:44] <Se7h> the table just showed minutes ago
[06:44] <kaplanfx> defendguin: seeing as its based on debian I doubt it logs boot by default
[06:44] <Se7h> well
[06:44] <kaplanfx> but try /var/log/boot
[06:44] <Se7h> forget it
[06:44] <punkass> yeah right click > add to panel > Custom Launcher
[06:44] <Se7h> not important though
[06:44] <kaplanfx> Se7h: yeah I think its one of those ghosted drives, its a pristine install
[06:44] <punkass> bborkk: lol LTP
[06:44] <defendguin> kaplanfx, i turned on the boot logger
[06:44] <kaplanfx> Se7h: well you may want to try and recover it
[06:45] <Se7h> kaplanfx no need
[06:45] <bborkk> punkass: Gotcha.
[06:45] <kaplanfx> defendguin: less /var/log/boot
[06:45] <kaplanfx> defendguin: you may need to be root
[06:45] <Se7h> i just wanted to format it
[06:45] <defendguin> that doesnt exis
[06:45] <defendguin> exist
[06:45] <punkass> bborkk: or u can add one to the desktop instead if u like
[06:45] <kaplanfx> defendguin: hrm
[06:45] <thom_> i wish ubuntu had more packages in its apt-get like deb
[06:45] <Se7h> but without showing at the table on fdisk its kinda dificult
[06:45] <kaplanfx> well I duuno, I don't use ubuntu, but debian unstable puts it there
[06:45] <punkass> bborkk: what was the bug u found?
[06:45] <kaplanfx> Se7h: you may have to use dos fdisk
[06:46] <bborkk> punkass: So, the one maybe-bug I found... (hang on a sec, let me find it)...
[06:46] <kaplanfx> Se7h: windows and its ilk like doing non-standard things to confound us
[06:46] <Se7h> indeed
[06:46] <deebee> Anyone know if Ubuntu will run on a PowerMac G3?
[06:46] <Se7h> but i've never seen this happend
[06:46] <Amroc> help!
[06:47] <jdub> deebee: if it's newworld, most likely
[06:47] <deebee> Oops PowerBook G3.
[06:47] <Amroc> lamont, meep!
[06:47] <Amroc> i have the distro d/l'd and i burned it to a cd to transfer...now where do i go to actually install it?
[06:48] <bborkk> punkass: Okay, in scan_for_wifi... (do you have the code in front of you?)
[06:48] <Amroc> the winzip file under install?
[06:48] <punkass> one sec
[06:48] <jdub> Amroc: reboot, surely?
[06:49] <Amroc> i am not using live
[06:49] <Amroc> i want to do a full install
[06:49] <jdub> Amroc: you boot with the cd in the drive
[06:49] <punkass> bborkk: ok fire away
[06:49] <tck> a reboot will do it
[06:50] <thom_> umm noob question here, does ubuntu come with a c compiler? b/c i cant seem 2 find 1
[06:50] <deebee> gcc?
[06:50] <Amroc> to do a full install of the thing not live cd?
[06:50] <Amroc> i shall try rebooting, with it in... 
[06:50] <Amroc> brb
[06:50] <thom_> cant find
[06:51] <bborkk> punkass: In the section where you deal with the stdout of iwlist, there's an if-else statement in which the variable 'couple' is assigned a value of either True or False.
[06:51] <punkass> i believe Amroc is up for an adventure ;)
[06:51] <tck> :))
[06:51] <ushooz> thom_ it does not in the default install
[06:51] <bborkk> heh.
[06:52] <ushooz> thom_, you have to use apt-get or synaptic to add all the needed item
[06:52] <tck> thom_ apt-get install gcc will prompt for the cd
[06:52] <thom_> nice thnx doing it now
[06:52] <bborkk> punkass: If couple is True, then essid is undefined.
[06:53] <bborkk> punkass: The next 'if couple' statement uses the 'essid' variable.
[06:53] <punkass> bborkk: ah yes...i see it
[06:54] <bborkk> punkass: Bug or cleverness?
[06:55] <bborkk> punkass: Also, what happens if there are no networks to be found?
[06:55] <punkass> well i am sure its an over sight on my part... and if no networks found the dropdown is empty
[06:57] <Amroc> arg!
[06:57] <Amroc> it cant find my net work card
[06:57] <bborkk> punkass: I have a load of other lesser comments about code style and whatnot, but none of them is has to do with the functionality of the code itself.
[06:57] <bborkk> punkass: Let me try to run it again with the ndis change.
[06:57] <Amroc> i have a wireless card in my lap top, its a net gear card
[06:57] <thom_> 'nother n00b question... how bout a c++ compiler? whats the apt package name for a good 1?
[06:58] <punkass> bborkk: well i are welcome to mail me them if u like
[06:58] <Amroc> i may just bug lamont on wed...
[06:59] <thom_> nm found g++
[06:59] <tck> Amroc, theres an option to bring up the eth0 or whatever u have it installed as it books 
[06:59] <Amroc> why cant it find my card? i thought that was a live cd only bug?
[07:00] <Amroc> i think i will just have lamont do another house call :)
[07:00] <tck> go to computer > system config > networking
[07:00] <tck> see if u can do it that way
[07:00] <Amroc> i gtg for today guys, thanks for the help agian
[07:00] <Amroc> the place im having trouble is in the installation part
[07:01] <Amroc> when it tries to find the net work stuff it says i dont have any
[07:03] <thom_> man i am having trouble installing 'firestarter' from source ne 1 here been able 2 do it?
[07:04] <thom_> its a firewall program
[07:04] <thom_> it works in deb
[07:04] <thom_> hmmm
[07:04] <ushooz> have not used that one in awhile
[07:04] <sufehmi> I have problem with sound (Ubuntu isn't able to find my soundcard) but I don't know where to start the troubleshooting process. have looked on various Ubuntu docs, no joy. Can anyone give me some hints ?
[07:05] <thom_> something about libgnome-2.0 missing....
[07:05] <thom_> :(
[07:05] <WX> hi... what's the estimated release date?
[07:06] <ushooz> thom_, if you add universe to your apt-get source list it is available as a binary from there
[07:06] <hornbeck> WX: the 13th I think is still the release
[07:06] <thom_> thnx how do i do that i am a n00b
[07:07] <WX> ok thanks hornbeck
[07:07] <elmaya> any1 running alias wavefront on ubuntu?
[07:07] <WX> is there a guide to using ubuntu as a server?
[07:07] <ushooz> thom_, for simplicity sake for me and you... :) the docs for adding universe is on the ubuntu website :)
[07:07] <WX> or is it not yet recommended?
[07:07] <thom_> thnx man
[07:07] <ushooz> sufehmi, that can be tricky 
[07:08] <ushooz> sufehmi, are you certain you soundcard is supported by the default alsa drivers in kernel 2.6? That is the first step
[07:08] <jdub> WX: there's no 'guide', but it's much the same as running debian
[07:08] <elmaya> for a server install debian sarge
[07:08] <WX> thanks jdub
[07:09] <WX> i currently run gentoo on my servers
[07:09] <jdub> elmaya: um, not that i've heard
[07:09] <jdub> elmaya: (note that sarge doesn't have security updates)
[07:09] <WX> and it likes to screw with nicely running software more often than not
[07:09] <elmaya> well then woody
[07:09] <sufehmi> ushooz: thanks for the hint, I've got an AIDA boot CD, I guess I'll restart with it to find out the soundcard in this machine
[07:09] <ushooz> sufehmi, that will be a good start to narrowing it down
[07:10] <ushooz> get as much info you can about the soundcard as possible
[07:10] <sufehmi> ushooz: thx again, I'll restart to find out now 
[07:10] <linux_mafia> WX, if you type "custom" (no quotes) on install, you can install a minimal set of packages, no X etc, then go from there, same as a base debian install, if you are familiar with that
[07:10] <WX> ok thanks linux_mafia
[07:11] <ushooz> ugh, already past midnight... :( gotta work tomorrow... sleep time. 
[07:11] <linux_mafia> WX, no probs
[07:11] <jdub> linux_mafia: same as base BUT WITH LESS(1)
[07:11] <linux_mafia> jdub, LESS(1)?
[07:12] <defendguin> alsactl: set_control:966: Cannot write control '2:0:0:CD Playback Switch:0' : Invalid argument
[07:12] <bborkk> punkass: Huh, I guess I need to remember to bring up my network connection after messing with it.  :)
[07:12] <defendguin> i get this when i boot up any i dont have any volume when i try to play a cd
[07:12] <defendguin> any ideas
[07:12] <thom_> ushooz u rock!
[07:12] <thom_> thnx
[07:13] <thom_> u helped me soo much
[07:13] <punkass> bborkk: so its working?
[07:13] <bborkk> punkass: Anyway, I was trying to say that it now connects okay, but it's hard to say it disconnects or just hangs.
[07:13] <punkass> bborkk: yeah there not a lot of user feedback
[07:13] <bborkk> punkass: It might just be that the status bar isn't updated to say it's been disconnected.
[07:14] <jdub> linux_mafia: the less command :)
[07:14] <punkass> bborkk: yeah..there is nothing there for that yet
[07:14] <bborkk> punkass: Nonetheless, I think it's a great start.
[07:14] <bborkk> punkass: Sure beats the current Ubuntu network admin tool.
[07:14] <punkass> bborkk: thanks.. like i say i hope to convert it to an applet
[07:15] <punkass> but for now it gets the job done ;)
[07:16] <elmaya> i got this when running gstreamer, Gconf/system/gstreamer/default/audiosink key. Check is its set correctly
[07:16] <elmaya> how can i fix it?
[07:16] <bborkk> punkass: Let me know if you want a partner.  I'd mostly be useful on the user interface side of things, but I'd like to learn about Linux network programming as well.  Either way, I'll send you the comments I have.  Let me know where to put them.
[07:19] <punkass> bborkk: well you are more than welcome to hack away at the code i have there...and for the user interface just install glade and you can manipulate that to
[07:23] <q2> can anyone help me with this DCOP-Server problem?
[07:25] <bborkk> punkass: How's Glade to work with?
[07:25] <punkass> pretty easy
[07:25] <punkass> tho i only know the basics
[07:25] <punkass> i have to figure out how to use the new combo boxes tho..the ones i am useing now are depricated
[07:26] <crimsun> elmaya: use gconf-editor
[07:26] <bborkk> What's the GUI toolkit of choice for Ubuntu?
[07:26] <crimsun> elmaya: you need to set the output sink to alsasink
[07:26] <punkass> i would assume gtk
[07:26] <q2> "There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE.  The message returned was: Could not read network connections list.  /home/q2/.DCOPserver_ubuntu__0     Please check that the 'dcopserver' program is running!"
[07:26] <q2> thats what it says when i open konqueror
[07:26] <punkass> glade just creates an xml GUI file that pygtk/python can use
[07:26] <pepsi> yay, i got vmware to work on reboot without reconfiguring it
[07:27] <punkass> and is easily updatable becuase it is seperate from the code
[07:27] <bborkk> Is glade a WYSIWYG?
[07:27] <punkass> yup
[07:27] <bborkk> Die Visual Basic, die.
[07:28] <punkass> lol
[07:28] <punkass> but thats all it is..just creates the gui xml file
[07:28] <q2> any help for me?
[07:28] <punkass> well thats not totally true...it can create c and c++ callback
[07:28] <punkass> s
[07:29] <bborkk> What do you mean?
[07:29] <punkass> q2: sorry not sure..
[07:29] <punkass> it will create a c or c++ file with eg. 'onclick' events writin in it
[07:29] <bborkk> q2: Bummer.  Don't like GNOME?
[07:30] <bborkk> As opposed to letting Python handle them?
[07:30] <q2> not really, i just wanted to use konquoror, im using open box right now
[07:30] <punkass> but i am using pygtk so i dont need those files just the xml one
[07:31] <punkass> dic = {    if u look there that is where its loading the event handling from the glade file
[07:31] <punkass> (almost at the bottom of the file)
[07:31] <bborkk> Oh, right.
[07:32] <bborkk> Was glade originally meant for use with Perl, or is it just a generic GUI generator?
[07:34] <punkass> i believe it was originally designed to be simple way for c or c++ programes to create a gui and keep it seperate from the code
[07:34] <punkass> programmers*
[07:34] <bborkk> What about wxPython... anyone using that for Ubuntu development?
[07:34] <punkass> not sure
[07:37] <punkass> bborkk: lots of good comments thanks..amazing what u miss when u are typing away ;)
[07:37] <bborkk> punkass: I know the feeling.
[07:39] <bborkk> punkass: Is there a general way to find out which module is needed to control a wifi card?
[07:39] <Lathiat_> bborkk: is it pcmcia?
[07:39] <punkass> i guess u could do a lspci and look for nic cards
[07:39] <Lathiat_> not if its pcmcia
[07:40] <punkass> doh! very true
[07:40] <Lathiat_> punkass: :)
[07:40] <q2> Sorry, but i gotta "Spam" this real quick
[07:40] <q2> for some help
[07:40] <q2> q2@ubuntu:~ $ dcopserver
[07:40] <q2> /usr/bin/X11/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[07:40] <q2> ICE Connection rejected!
[07:40] <q2> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[07:40] <q2> ICE Connection rejected!
[07:40] <punkass> Lathiat: how do u scan pcmcia cards?
[07:40] <q2> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[07:40] <q2> DCOPServer self-test failed.
[07:40] <q2> iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[07:40] <Lathiat_> punkass: cardctl status
[07:40] <bborkk> Lathiat_: 
[07:40] <Lathiat_> punkass: but if a driver is in your kernel for it, it should load when you plug the card in
[07:40] <Lathiat_> bborkk: cardctl info rather 
[07:41] <Lathiat_> punkass: if not then you probably dont have a driver for it and need one of the out-of-tree wifi drivers
[07:42] <punkass> Lathiat_: i just have a little wifi app i am working on and was trying to figure out the best way to determine if the module was loaded for the card
[07:42] <bborkk> Lathiat_: I know which module I personally need, but how would a script find out which module is needed in general.
[07:42] <punkass> and what module is needed
[07:42] <Lathiat_> punkass: probably best to talk to libiw
[07:42] <Lathiat_> since itl tell you if a wireless card is insertedand all about it
[07:43] <punkass> ah ok, but then there is the the pci/onboard lan that doesnt rely on that
[07:43] <Lathiat_> punkass: so you want to handle all network devices?
[07:43] <punkass> actually i should say that for sure :)
[07:44] <punkass> sorry i meant onboard wifi
[07:44] <Lathiat_> oh right
[07:44] <Lathiat_> if *any* wireles card is present
[07:44] <Lathiat_> it will come up in libiw
[07:44] <Lathiat_> pci, pcmcia, usb  or otherwise
[07:44] <q2> GO TO CHANNEL #SPAM IF YOU KNOW HOW TO FIX DCOP PROBLEM!
[07:44] <punkass> ah ok cool, thanks
[07:44] <bborkk> useful.
[07:44] <Lathiat_> q2: SHUT THE F**K UP AND TRY ASKING NICELY
[07:45] <bborkk> Is that in the libiw-dev package?
[07:45] <q2> please go to channel #spam and help me someone
[07:45] <Lathiat> bborkk: yeh the interface would be
[07:45] <bborkk> lol
[07:45] <Lathiat> q2: You'd probably be better finding help in a kde channel... most of the ubuntu guys are gnomies
[07:45] <bborkk> Lathiat: Thanks.
[07:45] <fabbione> calm down guys
[07:45] <q2> i wne tot KDE channel
[07:45] <Lathiat> q2: pardon?
[07:46] <q2> they are not among the liveing
[07:46] <bborkk> I always suspected as much!
[07:46] <punkass> lol
[07:46] <Lathiat> Well thats a shame, theres probably more than one have you tried other networks? Or perhaps one of the mailing lists for kde..
[07:47] <bborkk> Watch your back mates, there's undead among us.
[07:49] <punkass> bborkk: lots of interesting stuff here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html#links
[07:50] <punkass> tho lots of the projects look kinda dead
[07:50] <bborkk> punkass: Indeed, on both accounts.
[07:51] <q2> whats the command to see the proccesses in the console
[07:51] <punkass> ps auz
[07:51] <punkass> ps aux
[07:51] <punkass> (the second one)
[07:51] <bborkk> okay.
[07:51] <punkass> or top to is realtime action of processes
[07:51] <punkass> is = see
[07:52] <bborkk> I'm losing you... breaker, breaker.
[07:52] <Lathiat> bborkk: heh 
[07:53] <bborkk> punkass: Can't parse that last message.
[07:53] <punkass> huh?
[07:54] <bborkk> Ah.  Nevermind.  Didn't see qt's question.
[07:54] <punkass> cool: AirSnort is a wireless LAN (WLAN) tool which recovers encryption keys
[07:55] <bborkk> But hey, it's always good to be reminded of what processes I have running.  :)
[07:55] <punkass> haha
[07:55] <bborkk> By recover, you mean accidentally find?
[07:55] <punkass> haha yeah i guess so
[07:56] <punkass> AirSnort requires approximately 5-10 million encrypted packets to be gathered. Once enough packets have been gathered, AirSnort can guess the encryption password in under a second.
[07:56] <bborkk> I love encryption.
[07:57] <bborkk> How long would it take to gather that many packets?  Let's see...
[07:58] <bborkk> Figure 1ms per packet.  That's 1000 seconds.  That's about 16 minutes.
[07:58] <bborkk> Oops, that's only a million packets.
[07:58] <punkass> so u are lookin at a good hour or so
[07:58] <bborkk> So, that's about 3 hours tops.
[07:59] <Lathiat> it takes alot longer than that
[07:59] <Lathiat> usually
[07:59] <Lathiat> often a good week or two of high traffic
[07:59] <Lathiat> it needs like a million weak packets
[07:59] <bborkk> That's assuming constant packets, which doesn't happen really.
[07:59] <d-b> Does Ubuntu autodetect Net connections?
[07:59] <Lathiat> on a standard network ti could take weeks
[07:59] <jmhodges> hey, is there a deb repo with squeak or some such smalltalk environment?
[07:59] <Lathiat> or more
[07:59] <Lathiat> jmhodges: try www.apt-get.org
[07:59] <pepsi> it will try dhcp
[07:59] <punkass> so why do they say WEP is so flawed
[07:59] <bborkk> d-b: Welcome to the conversation. :)
[07:59] <Lathiat> punkass: because on a busy network itl only take a couple weeks
[07:59] <bborkk> Because it's not strong encryption.
[08:00] <jmhodges> Lathiat: bah, hehe, yes.. i even forgot that firefox had that search engine "built in"
[08:00] <Lathiat> punkass: can be less than a week if its busy busy but usually its a few
[08:00] <Lathiat> jmhodges: :)
[08:00] <punkass> bborkk: i know its weak encryption, but for it to take a week on a busy connection, that doesnt see that bad..especially for home users
[08:00] <bborkk> In fact, none of the standard crypto used today is strong crypto.
[08:01] <josh> hey guys, what'a the best way to get mono on ubuntu for ppc?
[08:01] <punkass> WPA is quite a bit stronger isnt it?
[08:01] <bborkk> punkass: Unless you are running a business or managing all your assets over a wireless connection.
[08:01] <josh> i want to try tomboy
[08:02] <punkass> bborkk: true enough...u need a rotating wep key ;)
[08:02] <bborkk> There is stronger encryption, but AFAIK, none of today's encryption meets the (okay, one of the) mathematical definition(s) of strong encryption.
[08:02] <pepsi> josh, synapitc, no?
[08:03] <josh> pepsi, i need mono and can't get it to install, i'm new to debian so it could be me
[08:03] <punkass> i am undecided on mono.
[08:03] <pepsi> what is it for?
[08:03] <TerminX> hmm, why was firefox 1.0PR pulled from ubuntu?
[08:03] <bborkk> pepsi: synaptic is the GUI front-end for apt, Debian's package manager.
[08:03] <crimsun> josh: just the faq, someone may have compiled ppc binaries
[08:03] <bborkk> TerminX: When did this happen?
[08:04] <crimsun> TerminX: it hasn't been
[08:04] <TerminX>  mozilla-firefox (0.99+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1 => 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu1)
[08:04] <TerminX> apt wants to upgrade to that version
[08:04] <josh> well synaptic lists packages, but i can't get one of them to install (unstable)
[08:04] <josh> thnx crimsun
[08:05] <josh> epends: mono-assemblies-base-0.96 but it is not installable
[08:05] <josh> is what i get
[08:05] <bborkk> josh: try apt-get -t unstable install foo
[08:05] <josh> ok
[08:05] <josh> thanks bborkk
[08:06] <josh> broken pacakges :-(
[08:07] <punkass> doesnt mono bring in the world of dlls etc?
[08:07] <josh> i'm really not sure to be honest...haven't done .net that much
[08:08] <bborkk> Speaking of which, totem doesn't seem to want to play any movies, even .mpg.  Anyone else have this problem.
[08:09] <punkass> bborkk: u have totem-xine?
[08:09] <josh> it doesn't like me dvds at all anymore
[08:09] <josh> I do punkass
[08:09] <punkass> josh: u have libdvdcss?
[08:10] <josh> ahhh
[08:10] <josh> prob not punkass
[08:10] <punkass> that'll do it
[08:11] <josh> how do i get that?
[08:11] <bborkk> punkass: I'm in the middle of apt-get install totem-xine...
[08:11] <punkass> that should fix it for ya
[08:11] <punkass> by default its totem-gstreamer
[08:11] <bborkk> punkass: It wants to remove totem-gstreamer
[08:11] <bborkk> ah
[08:11] <punkass> yeah thats fine
[08:11] <bborkk> What's the point of gstreamer then?
[08:12] <punkass> right now totem-xine supports more codecs
[08:12] <punkass> gstreamer will, just not yet :)
[08:12] <theantix> gstreamer-totem works great for free codecs
[08:12] <punkass> yeah
[08:12] <bborkk> Word.
[08:12] <pepsi> i need dmix to do software mixing right?
[08:12] <pepsi> for sound
[08:12] <bborkk> Audacity.
[08:12] <punkass> probably just need to add a .asoundrc file to your ~ dir
[08:13] <punkass> pepsi: u refering to playing two sounds at once. or createing sounds (audacity)
[08:13] <pepsi> punkass add it to do what?
[08:13] <pepsi> punkass two sounds at once
[08:14] <punkass> i alwasy have to add that file to tell alsa to use dmix
[08:14] <punkass> one sec
[08:14] <pepsi> but i have to install dmix first no?
[08:14] <punkass> i dont believe so
[08:14] <punkass> i think its already part of alsa
[08:15] <punkass> well i never did anyways :)
[08:15] <pepsi> oh ok
[08:15] <punkass> if u look in flood i will paste the contents of my file
[08:15] <pepsi> i found a readme
[08:15] <punkass> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:15] <pepsi> yeah
[08:15] <punkass> i always use the one at the bottom of that page
[08:16] <punkass> its always worked good 
[08:17] <punkass> theantix: do u know if totem-gstreamer works with the w32codecs?
[08:17] <theantix> if there is a way, I don't know of it
[08:17] <punkass> k
[08:19] <theantix> I find totem-xine to be completely adequate for all my playback needs except for divx avis with .sub subtitles (mlayer) and .ram files (realplayer)
[08:19] <punkass> yeah and the new realplayer is pretty slick
[08:20] <d-b> There's Real Player for Linux? That I didn't know
[08:20] <theantix> punkass, I don't know if you can get the w32codecs to wrk with it though, haven't tried or looked into it at all
[08:20] <theantix> d-b, real.com/linux 
[08:21] <punkass> yeah i was just curious..i have totem-xine installed already..never thought to try the w32codecs with gstreamer
[08:21] <theantix> d-b, it's gtk2 based and surprisingly slick
[08:21] <punkass> especially compared to the old version...ewww
[08:21] <theantix> yeah, very true
[08:21] <theantix> plus it didn't hijack my system like the older one did
[08:22] <d-b> Great. GTK all the way!
[08:23] <theantix> d-b, I have to admit that I'm with you on that one :-)
[08:24] <theantix> I can't wait for coaster to be finished, then I can finally use exclusively gtk2 apps
[08:25] <d-b> OH MY GOD! It is Slick.
[08:25] <punkass> lol
[08:26] <theantix> sometimes totem-xine doesn't work for me on the first try and I have to restart the app, not sure why that is... but otherwise it is brilliant
[08:26] <d-b> Come to think of it. This was made by Real. And they prodocued something slick again!?
[08:26] <theantix> d-b, oh that, heh
[08:27] <punkass> theantix: is there a new version of coaster coming out?
[08:27] <eniac> punkass: probably
[08:28] <pepsi> that script works, but only for rhythmbox.. i assume because rhythmbox knows about alsa
[08:28] <theantix> punkass, I'm just going on what I've read on p.g.o
[08:28] <punkass> gaim should use it too
[08:28] <eniac> you know what I find strange is that ubuntu chooses python and not mono 
[08:29] <punkass> i am undecided about mono still
[08:29] <theantix> eniac, mark shuttleworth has been a python booster for a while now -- I'm not saying that is the only reason but I'm sure it was an influence
[08:29] <tck_> rhythmbox r0x
[08:29] <pepsi> whats it for?
[08:29] <punkass> not sure why...maybe its the dll thing
[08:29] <pepsi> .net stuff?
[08:29] <punkass> yup
[08:29] <pepsi> why would you want that? :P
[08:29] <theantix> [insert flamewar here] 
[08:30] <pepsi> heh
[08:30] <punkass> lol
[08:30] <d-b> .NET is pretty nice. Except... .DLL as standard library extensions suck
[08:30] <punkass> well c# is an official standard language now (i think)
[08:30] <pepsi> but what did ubuntu choose not to use mono for?
[08:31] <d-b> pepsi: Maybe they'll include it next time.
[08:31] <punkass> as theantix said:  "mark shuttleworth has been a python booster for a while now"
[08:31] <theantix> keep in mind, I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth here
[08:32] <punkass> whatever man u said it!!  ;)
[08:33] <theantix> I actually like python a lot myself, so I don't need to imagine conspiratorial reasons to standarize on it :-)
[08:33] <d-b> Hmm. Sabagay... Python's kinda sexy
[08:34] <punkass> i used python a bit awhile ago..and it kinda made me crazy..but i started again and i am startin to like it
[08:34] <Lathiat> punkass: i love python :)
[08:34] <Lathiat> tho, when perl6 arrives, i might be sold... the syntax is still a bit icky sometimes but it has some uber cool stuff
[08:34] <punkass> Lathiat: i think it was the indenting thing...always errors cuz of indents ;)
[08:34] <theantix> Lathiat,  #@@%@[0] _$  ?  ;-)
[08:34] <eniac> perl just more populair because it's older
[08:34] <punkass> haha
[08:35] <bborkk> Lathiat: Okay, here we go... such as?
[08:35] <d-b> My mind is too primitive to learn perl.
[08:36] <punkass> theantix: have u tried compiling coaster?
[08:36] <theantix> Lathiat, not trying to pick on you, just being silly.  :-)  perl is a great tool for a lot of tasks
[08:36] <Lathiat> bborkk: it has all these evil cool things like
[08:36] <theantix> punkass, no I've not tried
[08:36] <Lathiat> variables that are anything but something
[08:36] <Lathiat> like an integer variable that is anything but the number 6
[08:36] <bborkk> That's pretty cool.  What happens if you assign 6 to it?
[08:36] <punkass> what blows my mind is the amount of programming/scripting languages out there
[08:36] <Lathiat> which makes comparisons nice and simple and stuff and umm
[08:37] <Lathiat> bborkk: it fails
[08:37] <Lathiat> bborkk: like trying to assign an integer to a string
[08:37] <Lathiat> theres abunch fo other things i cant remember right now
[08:37] <Lathiat> its all in this talk
[08:37] <Lathiat> interesting to listen to
[08:38] <pepsi> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/
[08:38] <Lathiat> heh
[08:38] <Lathiat> pepsi: brainfucks another good one
[08:39] <bborkk> pepsi: That's my kind of language.
[08:39] <pepsi> hehe
[08:39] <d-b> BrainFuck? The name says it all.
[08:39] <Lathiat> bborkk: heh
[08:39] <pepsi> whitespace suggests printing out whitespace programs
[08:39] <Lathiat> its similar to whtiespace
[08:39] <Lathiat> pepsi: :)
[08:39] <Lathiat> its remarkably readable
[08:39] <Lathiat> takes absolutely no effort
[08:40] <opi^work> see fromage also :)
[08:40] <Lathiat> never heard of that one
[08:40] <opi^work> google for it
[08:41] <opi^work> I've been using it at Amiga :)
[08:41] <rabidbt> http://whatis.techtarget.com/
[08:41] <d-b> White Space!? WTH is this
[08:41] <opi^work> (Brainfuck is made by longtime Amiga developer)
[08:41] <Lathiat> cant find anything...
[08:41] <opi^work> hmmm
[08:41] <Lathiat> opi^work: you work at amiga?
[08:41] <opi^work> too bad Aminet's down
[08:41] <opi^work> Lathiat: at Amiga? Like, Amiga Inc?
[08:41] <opi^work> Lathiat: or with Amiga?
[08:42] <Lathiat> whatever
[08:42] <opi^work> Lathiat: both no
[08:42] <Lathiat> right so how do you use it at amiga then? :)
[08:42] <opi^work> Lathiat: http://pegasosppc.com that's my platform :P
[08:42] <Lathiat> ahheh
[08:43] <opi^work> Lathiat: there's no Amiga now, so I don't care mutch :P
[08:43] <Lathiat> opi^work: heh
[08:44] <eniac> bit offtopic, but it seems my only clock is set wrong (computer clock) is there a place on the net where you can find your time in your timezone :s
[08:44] <punkass> time.gov
[08:44] <opi^work> lamont: ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/dev/lang/fromage.lha
[08:44] <Lathiat> eniac: If you run ntpdate
[08:44] <punkass> thats northamerica
[08:44] <opi^work> Lathiat: http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/dev/lang/fromage.readme
[08:44] <Lathiat> eniac: itl set yoru computer clock to an internet timeserver
[08:44] <Lathiat> eniac: based on your systems timezone setting (which should be right)
[08:53] <joolz> anyone know if it's possible to make (some) gdesklets non-sticky?
[08:53] <joolz> as it is now they show up on all desktops. That's OK for my clock, but not really for my RSS feeds :)
[08:53] <Lathiat> no idea
[08:58] <bborkk> punkass: I'm heading out.  Let me know how things go with pyfi and I'll do likewise.
[08:58] <punkass> bborkk: will do...taker easy
[08:59] <theantix> pyfi?
[09:00] <punkass> a little python app i made for connecting/scanning for wireless networks
[09:00] <punkass> uses pygtk and glade
[09:00] <theantix> coo, what's the link?
[09:01] <Lathiat> punkass: wanna throw it my way
[09:01] <punkass> its pretty rough code..(my first attempt and pygtk etc) so no laughing :)
[09:01] <punkass> but it works
[09:01] <punkass> http://punkass.bookerb.com/2stepdh/pyfi.tar.gz
[09:01] <theantix> punkass, s'ok, I'm fairly new to pygtk myself
[09:02] <crash_> hi
[09:02] <punkass> has to be run as root, and you will have to edit the top of the py file 
[09:02] <pepsi> why does it take so long to click links?
[09:02] <pepsi> its faster to copy and paste it
[09:02] <Smeven> I am having a problem.....
[09:03] <Smeven> I am writing some software on ubuntu
[09:03] <Smeven> and it is using libgnomeui
[09:03] <theantix> punkass, it depends on ndiswrapper?
[09:03] <punkass> oh and one other thing,  you should comment this out: os.system( 'modprobe ndiswrapper' )
[09:03] <punkass> :)
[09:03] <theantix> ah :-)
[09:03] <punkass> thats was just for me
[09:03] <punkass> forgot i left it in there
[09:03] <Smeven> the package doesnt compile on ubuntu but compiles on gentoo
[09:03] <punkass> this is still version 0.01 ;)
[09:03] <Treenaks> Smeven: isn't libgnomeui a gnome 1.x thing?
[09:04] <Lathiat> Treenaks: no
[09:04] <Smeven> Treenaks: no....
[09:04] <Lathiat> Smeven: Whats the compile error
[09:04] <Smeven>  /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so: undefined reference to `g_return_if_fail_warning'
[09:04] <theantix> well, I can't comment if it works or not, because my "iwlist eth1 scanning" is broken on Ubuntu for some reason
[09:04] <Smeven> and libatk and libglib are both linked in
[09:05] <Lathiat> Smeven: Err thats a bit odd
[09:05] <Lathiat> theantix: Are you using orinoco?
[09:05] <Smeven> yep
[09:05] <Smeven> and the package works gentoo
[09:05] <punkass> whats the difference between 'scanning' and 'scan'
[09:05] <Lathiat> theantix: You want the patched drivers that have scanning support
[09:05] <Lathiat> punkass: nothing afaik
[09:05] <Lathiat> theantix: (if its orinoco)
[09:05] <Lathiat> iwlist
[09:05] <Lathiat> argh
[09:06] <Lathiat> Smeven: hmm
[09:06] <theantix> Lathiat, yeah I am -- where do I get those?
[09:06] <Smeven> Lathiat: exactly :)
[09:06] <Lathiat> theantix: can you churn your own kernel?
[09:06] <Lathiat> ive been meaning to toast up a ubuntu image with the patched orinoco drivers adn swsusp
[09:06] <Lathiat> mayeb i could do it now and throw it your way?
[09:06] <theantix> I can, but I'm using Ubuntu because I don't want to for my home system
[09:07] <theantix> :-)
[09:07] <Lathiat> heh
[09:07] <Lathiat> can you hang around a bit?
[09:07] <Smeven> I would put ubuntu on my tower but it doesnt really work well with raid
[09:07] <theantix> Lathiat, yeah I'll be around
[09:07] <tck> has anyone ever got the newer proxim orinoco cards (prism chipset) working with linux?
[09:07] <Lathiat> tck: Have you tried it and got an error something about the MAC address not being read properly?
[09:08] <tck> i just heard the HERMES works, haven't even tried it, peeps said no patch for it :/
[09:08] <punkass> theantix: i have found an api someone wrote in 2001 for wireless tools...would be nicer to use i think...instead of parsing stdout/err msgs
[09:08] <Lathiat> never go tit to work so it wouldnt be much help anywy :)
[09:09] <Lathiat> punkass: thats what i was talking about earlier :)
[09:09] <Lathiat>  libiw
[09:09] <punkass> tit...hehe
[09:09] <Smeven> Lathiat: any ideas?
[09:09] <punkass> oh is libiw the api?
[09:09] <Lathiat> Smeven: umm can you paste the all of the errors in private?
[09:09] <Lathiat> punkass: ya
[09:09] <punkass> doh..lol ok thanks
[09:09] <Smeven> Lathiat: that is the only error :)
[09:09] <Lathiat> might need to make a python wrapper tho
[09:09] <Lathiat> Smeven: hrm
[09:09] <Lathiat> can you paste the surroudnign compile line etc
[09:10] <suheimi> help
[09:10] <Smeven> Lathiat: what channel?
[09:11] <Lathiat> Smeven: privmsg
[09:11] <suheimi> ubuntu
[09:14] <suheimi> privmsg
[09:14] <suheimi> help me
[09:14] <suheimi> anybody ?
[09:15] <punkass> ask the question.
[09:15] <jdub> suheimi: ask your question
[09:16] <suheimi> oh, ok. I am using ubuntu (newbie). I lost my panel ie my application panel disappear. Anybody know?
[09:16] <mmorriso> type gnome-panel in console?
[09:16] <suheimi> that's it ?
[09:17] <mmorriso> try it, does it work?
[09:17] <suheimi> well, I'm in suse right now; i'll shutdown and go back. Thanks
[09:17] <mmorriso> no worries
[09:18] <pepsi> i dont want to go to work tomorrow :(
[09:18] <pepsi> work is bad
[09:18] <punkass> holiday here,...no work for me :)
[09:18] <mmorriso> but work brings money, and money is goooooood
[09:19] <pepsi> maybe
[09:19] <pepsi> but is it good enough to work for?
[09:19] <pepsi> that is the question
[09:19] <pepsi> sleep
[09:19] <pepsi> zzz
[09:21] <theantix> punkass, you a canuck?
[09:21] <punkass> ding ding eh.
[09:21] <theantix> same here :-)
[09:21] <punkass> right on..where abouts?
[09:22] <theantix> Vancouver, best place to be ;-)
[09:22] <mmorriso> suheimi: did it work?
[09:22] <punkass> except for vancouver island :)
[09:22] <theantix> heheh
[09:23] <suheimi> hi, I'm now in ubuntu. No, cmd gnome-panel doesn't work.
[09:23] <theantix> suheimi, what do you mean by your application panel?
[09:23] <suheimi> master menu when you bootup on upper left corner.
[09:24] <suheimi> taskbar in windows
[09:24] <Treenaks> suheimi: try to start gnome-panel from a terminal
[09:24] <suheimi> how
[09:24] <theantix> I thought so :-)  right click on the panel, and choose add
[09:24] <Treenaks> suheimi: open a terminal!
[09:24] <punkass> hehe
[09:24] <suheimi> i did
[09:24] <mmorriso> he's already tried gnome-panel
[09:24] <Treenaks> suheimi: then type gnome-panel, you should get a panel
[09:24] <punkass> it just sounds like he is missing his menu from the panel
[09:25] <suheimi> i did type gnome-panel in a terminal: command not found
[09:25] <theantix> suheimi, do you have your clock still in the upper right?
[09:25] <mmorriso> maybe "sudo gnome-panel"
[09:25] <Lathiat> sounds like its a little broken
[09:25] <Lathiat> mmorriso: No
[09:25] <Treenaks> mmorriso: never do that!
[09:25] <Lathiat> mmorriso: bad idea
[09:25] <suheimi> no
[09:25] <Treenaks> suheimi: did you remove any packages?
[09:26] <Treenaks> suheimi: try typing "sudo aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <Treenaks> without the "
[09:26] <suheimi> sudo gnome-panel: command not found. I did'nt remove any packages; except for 386
[09:26] <Treenaks> suheimi: sudo aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <Treenaks> suheimi: if gnome-panel is not found, there's something very wrong with your system
[09:27] <tck> ssh you'll scare him
[09:27] <MyKq3> hello . for the last day i have tryed to install JVM on my mashine, to do that i have used this refarence http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian but after i have tested it on this site i sow that i does not work ( http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp ) .  I must say that i have  done this rafarence with J2SDK1.4_5. So what i have tryed was to unpack the bin pack and to link the plugin into the ~/.mozilla/plugin dir. and i
[09:27] <MyKq3> t didn't work as well...  now i must say that i m not a computer frick i don't need the java peck to update/upgrade itself i only need it to post my HW. do u have any idea how can i check y the JVM does not work for me ...
[09:27] <theantix> Treenaks, I think he knows that
[09:27] <topyli> suheimi: try to install (or reinstall) gnome-panel and gnome-panel-data
[09:27] <Treenaks> topyli: ~tubuntu-desktop does that
[09:28] <topyli> or ubuntu-desktop of course
[09:28] <tck> apt-get gnome-panel
[09:28] <tck> theres a newer one available since def. install
[09:28] <crimsun> MyKq3: ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugin
[09:28] <crimsun> MyKq3: let's go to #flood
[09:29] <MyKq3> crimsun,  i m sorry i didn't meant to flood
[09:29] <topyli> suheimi: ubuntu-desktop is probably better than just the panel since you should get a working desktop then, no matter what's missing at the moment
[09:30] <topyli> like Treenaks says
[09:31] <suheimi> yes, might be. but I'm a windows user trying to live 100% in linux
[09:31] <Treenaks> suheimi: do you have a terminal open?
[09:31] <suheimi> yes
[09:31] <Treenaks> suheimi: did you install ubuntu-desktop with aptitude?
[09:32] <suheimi> i install using a cd, then apt-get. Everything was alright then i don't know what happen, i lost it.
[09:33] <suheimi> i did upgrade 386->686
[09:33] <Treenaks> that should not break anything
[09:33] <Treenaks> but anyway, aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop should fix it
[09:33] <suheimi> i install thunderbird, k3b too
[09:33] <clee> hm. is it a known bug that cd burning doesn't seem to work?
[09:33] <d-b> What's k3b?
[09:33] <mmorriso> kde cd burner
[09:34] <Lathiat> d-b: A kde cb burning app
[09:34] <d-b> Ah.
[09:34] <suheimi> btw, thunderbird is old
[09:34] <d-b> Hmm. We GNOME people need something like that too
[09:34] <crimsun> nautilus has one
[09:34] <crimsun> there's gcombust
[09:34] <crimsun> (as well)
[09:34] <punkass> well i looks like coaster has some potential
[09:35] <punkass> i = it
[09:35] <mmorriso> do they burn dvd's and dvd ISO as well?
[09:35] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:35] <Smeven> punkass: when i get time i am goinig to make a gnome frontend to transcode for copying dvd to dvd
[09:36] <punkass> if nautilus had audio support it would be near perfect
[09:36] <Treenaks> Smeven: uh..
[09:36] <Treenaks> Smeven: gstreamer can do that
[09:36] <Smeven> Treenaks: ?
[09:36] <Smeven> Treenaks: dvd9 to dvd5?
[09:37] <Treenaks> Smeven: don't know about that, but it can do dvd -> ogg theora+vorbis
[09:37] <Smeven> it can requantize and all?
[09:37] <Treenaks> so it should be possible
[09:37] <Smeven> Treenaks: i want to requantize the dvd, just dvd to dvd copy
[09:37] <punkass> Smeven: as in perfect backup?
[09:37] <Smeven> punkass: basically
[09:38] <punkass> cool, that be nice...i have to switch to windows right now and use dvdshrink
[09:38] <Lathiat> Smeven: If its a movie DVD it proabbly wont work unless you have a dual layer burner
[09:38] <Lathiat> punkass: ah yeh heh
[09:38] <Lathiat> dvdshrink is the shit
[09:38] <punkass> yeah its pretty slick
[09:38] <Lathiat> but i dont use windows so 
[09:38] <Smeven> Lathiat: that is why you have to requatize the dvd
[09:38] <Lathiat> used it before tho
[09:38] <Smeven> requantize*
[09:38] <Smeven> Lathiat: that is where transcode comes in handy
[09:38] <punkass> maybe dvdshrink under wine :)
[09:39] <mmorriso> what does requantizing involve?
[09:39] <Smeven> if you have a dvd that is 7gigs and you want it on a 4.7 gig disc
[09:39] <Smeven> requantizing the dvd will make it fit on that 4.7 gig dvd
[09:39] <mmorriso> yeah i know, but how does it work? what does it remove?
[09:40] <Smeven> quality
[09:40] <mmorriso> ah ok
[09:40] <mmorriso> thaNKS
[09:40] <Smeven> but it is not noticable
[09:40] <Smeven> also, you can remove subtitles, extras, menus, and additional languages to save on quality
[09:41] <Smeven> as soon as i drop out a new release of what i am working on now
[09:41] <Smeven> I may start toying around with libcoaster/libburn and transcode
[09:41] <Smeven> possibly even gstreamer
[09:42] <punkass> well something like that sure would be nice
[09:42] <Smeven> i will see if gstreamer can handle requantizing a dvd
[09:42] <mmorriso> man requantizing is a cool word
[09:42] <Smeven> lol
[09:42] <punkass> haha
[09:42] <Treenaks> mmorriso: so cool you could say it all day?
[09:43] <mmorriso> i'm thinking of unnoticable ways to work it into everyday conversation even as i type
[09:43] <Smeven> nice
[09:43] <Smeven> this thing finally compiles :)\
[09:46] <Treenaks> Smeven: what did you do? requantize the enums?
[09:46] <Treenaks> mmorriso: beat you to it :P
[09:46] <suheimi> thanks guys, my panel Applications-COmputer is back. apptitude install ~tubuntu desktop works very well
[09:46] <mmorriso> lol damnn u
[09:46] <Lathiat> suheimi: :)
[09:46] <Treenaks> suheimi: weird that it was gone..
[09:46] <Treenaks> suheimi: but good luck with it now :)
[09:47] <Lathiat> whats the cvs flag to get a branch
[09:47] <Lathiat> i forget :)
[09:47] <suheimi> i remember, i did uninstall evolution.
[09:47] <Smeven> sukoshi
[09:47] <Lathiat> and i remember i can never figure it out from the man page everytime i need it :)
[09:47] <topyli> suheimi: gnome does rock even more when it's not broken :)
[09:47] <Treenaks> suheimi: it might be that the panel depends on some stuff in evolution, don't know
[09:47] <Smeven> gnome sucks
[09:47] <Treenaks> suheimi: if you use apt-get remove, it'll tell you what it's going to remove
[09:48] <topyli> Smeven: gnome sucks less
[09:48] <Smeven> gnome sucks sukoshi
[09:49] <Treenaks> suheimi: so you can avoid removing stuff you don't want removed
[09:49] <topyli> i thought less is "more", not "sukoshi"
[09:50] <Smeven> sukoshi = little
[09:50] <suheimi> i've one more question: when boot up i've an error msg "usb usb4:string descriptor 0 read error: -19". What is it -- i don't have 4 usb, i've only 3 usb
[09:51] <Robe> whom should I contact to get a new server added to the list of mirrors?
[09:51] <Smeven> anotawah nihongoga wakatimassen
[09:51] <Smeven> something like that
[09:51] <punkass> Robe: im totally sure but i would imagine jdub could point u in the right direction
[09:51] <punkass> not totally sure*
[09:52] <mmorriso> Robe: not sure, I was thinking the same thing, I noticed mirror.pacific.net.au is up but isn't listed either
[09:52] <jdub> Robe: you can mail me -> jeff.waugh@canonical.com
[09:52] <jdub> mmorriso: oh?
[09:52] <Robe> jdub: roger that
[09:52] <jdub> reformed: ping
[09:52] <jdub> reformed: tell me about your mirror! :)
[09:52] <suheimi> i've one more question: when boot up i've an error msg "usb usb4:string descriptor 0 read error: -19". What is it -- i don't have 4 usb, i've only 3 usb
[09:52] <Smeven> what is a good ide for gnome
[09:52] <Lathiat> ooh mirror.pacific is up?
[09:52] <Lathiat> free traffic fro me yay
[09:53] <Treenaks> is the release schedule on the wiki still accurate?
[09:53] <mmorriso> jdub: yeah I noticed it today, good knews for us aussies
[09:53] <punkass> for my little python app, i am just using glade and gedit
[09:53] <Lathiat> Smeven: for what, C? C++? C#? Python?
[09:53] <Smeven> C
[09:54] <Lathiat> Smeven: you could try anjuta
[09:54] <punkass> well glade works for C quite well for creating a gui
[09:54] <Smeven> Lathiat: eh, anjuta doesnt handle more than one target, ie. multiple binaries or libs
[09:54] <Lathiat> Smeven: too bad then :)
[09:55] <Lathiat> patch it :)
[09:55] <Lathiat> i just use vim
[09:55] <Lathiat> and autotools
[09:55] <|trey|> Lathiat: I thought about being a mirror... not a big enough hd though  :(    I'm on the pacific, Cable... decent connection, but not enough room  :/
[09:55] <Lathiat> Smeven: actually themultiple target thing would just be an autoconf setup thing
[09:55] <Smeven> i just use jed and autotools
[09:55] <Lathiat> not anjuta as such
[09:55] <suheimi> Guys, another bootup error: "VFS:Can't  find ext3/ext2 filesystem on dev hda4." My filesystem is ReiserFS
[09:55] <Smeven> Lathiat: but in the project toolbar it only should src
[09:55] <Lathiat> |trey|: Usually mirrors want to be on like 10-100mbit decent links
[09:55] <punkass> Smeven: what abou eclipse
[09:56] <Lathiat> punkass: isnt that for java?
[09:56] <Smeven> punkass: i just looked for it with apt-cache search but it didnt show
[09:56] <punkass> with plugins its for anything
[09:56] <punkass> but its main focus is java
[09:56] <Lathiat> ah ok
[09:56] <punkass> Smeven: no u have to download it from there site
[09:56] <Smeven> nah
[09:56] <Smeven> jed works for now
[09:57] <punkass> its just a binary u have to run no make/make install etc
[09:57] <Smeven> its alright
[09:57] <Smeven> jed is cool :)
[09:57] <|trey|> Lathiat: umm, nic is fast enough  :/
[09:58] <|trey|> No public dn and need more space... 
[09:58] <punkass> hmm cool: Eclipse can now run on the .NET platform by using the mono class libraries for .NET, and the IKVM java virtual machine for .NET.
[09:59] <Lathiat> heh
[09:59] <Smeven> so
[09:59] <|trey|> 43 meg repo (says "expect double"), my current hd is 40... have one more accessable though  :/
[09:59] <Smeven> when is ubuntu going to be able to build raids for / in the installer?
[10:00] <Lathiat> Smeven: dunno why they dont do that since the debian one does *shrug*
[10:00] <Smeven> Lathiat: my tower is beggan for ubuntu
[10:00] <|trey|> Smeven: can't just do hardware raid?
[10:00] <Lathiat> Smeven: it has raid support on boot etc
[10:00] <Smeven> not the way im doing it
[10:00] <Lathiat> so dunno why the installer doesnt *shrug*
[10:01] <|trey|> Smeven: you mean beggin? else you lost me  :(
[10:01] <Smeven> yeah
[10:01] <punkass> The CDT (C/C++ Development Tools) Project is working towards providing a fully functional C and C++ Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the Eclipse platform. 
[10:01] <|trey|> begging, its a tool... can't talk  ;)
[10:01] <Lathiat> heh
[10:01] <|trey|> maybe you're begging it to run Ubuntu?  ;)
[10:03] <Treenaks> punkass: another platform? what's wrong with cross-platform languages like Python and/or Perl
[10:03] <Smeven> yeah
[10:03] <Smeven> |trey|: i like gentoo, but i am sick of compiling shit
[10:03] <Smeven> |trey|: even on my amd athlon dual 2800 mp system
[10:03] <|trey|> Smeven: so you don't like Gentoo?
[10:03] <punkass> Treenaks: nothing, Smeven was just asking about C IDEs
[10:03] <Treenaks> punkass: vim + automake + autoconf + libtool + make 8-)
[10:03] <Treenaks> punkass: + cvs/svn
[10:04] <Smeven> |trey|: and that is even with 3x7200 rpm raid config
[10:04] <|trey|> Smeven: try for a week on a 933... tell me how much you get done  ;)
[10:04] <Smeven> |trey|: 52 minutes to install gentoo on my tower :)
[10:04] <punkass> Treenaks: yes i like vim too
[10:04] <|trey|> Smeven: so raid 5?  bypass software raid... less for you to learn with each new OS anyways... just need to learn on new BIOS's  :/
[10:05] <Smeven> |trey|: raid 0
[10:05] <punkass> i tried to install gentoo a couple o times...lets just say i am not using it.
[10:05] <Lathiat> punkass: heh same
[10:05] <|trey|> Smeven: then why 3 disks?
[10:05] <Smeven> |trey|: faster
[10:05] <jacob> Shouldn't there be a desktop entry for nvidia-settings ?
[10:06] <punkass> im suprised on the speed increase with more disk on raid5
[10:06] <|trey|> Smeven: so /boot is on regular disk, and everything else on raid or what?
[10:06] <mmorriso> punkass: Have you tried Vida Linux? It would never work for me but you might wanna try it out if you want Gentoo
[10:06] <|trey|> mirroring is kinda useless with odd numbers...
[10:07] <punkass> no i am quite happy with ubuntu thanks :)
[10:07] <Smeven> |trey|: /boot /dev/hda1
[10:07] <theantix> jacob, I had no idea nvidia-settings existed -- thanks!
[10:07] <Smeven> |trey|: swap hda2 
[10:07] <punkass> lol
[10:07] <Smeven> |trey|: wee
[10:07] <|trey|> ahh, I forgot about that... bah
[10:07] <Smeven> |trey|: swap hda2 hdc1 hde1
[10:07] <Treenaks> theantix: shouldn't nvidia cards just use DDC like any other card?
[10:08] <Smeven> |trey|: / hda3 hdc2 hd2
[10:08] <|trey|> Smeven: makes a little more sense... just confused me  :)
[10:08] <punkass> i want an app the will allow me to shut of my second monitor(without restarting X) so i can play unreal
[10:08] <Treenaks> punkass: aka "The Power Button"
[10:08] <jacob> theantix, it does. And perhaps one simply has to "rebuild" the menues, at least there exists an /usr/lib/menu/nvidia-settings file
[10:08] <Smeven> |trey|: it runs nicely
[10:08] <Smeven> compiles fast
[10:08] <|trey|> Ok... so you can't set that up with your BIOS?
[10:09] <Smeven> but i am just sick of compiling
[10:09] <jacob> Dunno how to rebuild the menues though...
[10:09] <Smeven> |trey|: dont want to
[10:09] <Mithrandir> jacob: that's for the debian menu system, which ubuntu isn't using.
[10:09] <|trey|> Smeven: why? then you don't have to keep doing it through all installs....
[10:09] <punkass> Treenaks: nah unreal works good on linux..but with dual monitors it runs dead center
[10:09] <Smeven> |trey|: plus the way i have it setup, it wont work
[10:09] <Smeven> |trey|: no i dont
[10:09] <jacob> Mithrandir, ah ok
[10:09] <Treenaks> punkass: then report that to the people who made it..
[10:09] <Mithrandir> jacob: it should probably be added, though.
[10:09] <theantix> Treenaks, I'm not sure what you mean, but it's handy for changing some video settings I don't know how to change otherwise
[10:09] <Smeven> |trey|: all i have to do is keep /etc/raidtab and the raid stays
[10:10] <|trey|> Smeven: eh... my bad  :/
[10:11] <punkass> how does it go to: XFree8, Epic, or Nvidia
[10:11] <punkass> s/how/who
[10:12] <punkass> well its sleep time for me....nite all
[10:12] <crimsun> defendguin: sound working?
[10:13] <defendguin> no
[10:13] <defendguin> infact my system totaly stopped working
[10:13] <crimsun> ?
[10:14] <defendguin> well when i booted and i logged into gnome about 2 seconds after gnome finished loading X would lock up
[10:14] <defendguin> then i have trouble booting back
[10:15] <defendguin> because the boot would hang at different points
[10:15] <defendguin> does a p2 366 mhz processor qualify as a 686?
[10:16] <crimsun> a p2 does, yes.
[10:16] <defendguin> crap i was hoping that would explain something
[10:16] <Lathiat> heh
[10:16] <Lathiat> defendguin: whats the problem
[10:17] <Lathiat> oh i just read it
[10:17] <Lathiat> Sounds like a RAM or CPU overheatingissue or similar
[10:17] <defendguin> well for a while now not every boot but some boots the boot would hang 
[10:18] <defendguin> not sure but i suppose its possible
[10:18] <liran> Im getting some errors when i do apt-get install culmus
[10:18] <Smeven> defendguin: i got that code to finally compile
[10:18] <defendguin> most of the time when it would start up the acpi deamon
[10:19] <liran> http://pastebin.com/109226 plz help me
[10:19] <defendguin> :)
[10:19] <Smeven> i am gonna do some serious coding when i get back from the exchange and commisary and i will send you an update to test :)
[10:19] <defendguin> ill be here for another 2 hours
[10:19] <Smeven> OK
[10:19] <Smeven> it is only 1720
[10:19] <Smeven> so i will be up for a while 
[10:20] <defendguin> 0320 here
[10:21] <defendguin> Lathiat, if it were over heating then how would i be able to boot up again after 10 tires
[10:21] <defendguin> tries
[10:22] <Lathiat> defendguin: possibly not that then, probably a ram issue then perhaps
[10:22] <Lathiat> tried memtest86?
[10:22] <Lathiat> i think the debain cds have it on them
[10:22] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it's in the ubuntu install as well
[10:23] <defendguin> Lathiat, i suppose i could try that
[10:24] <liran> I want to install Sim icq on my ubuntu
[10:24] <liran> how can i do that?
[10:24] <defendguin> it works perfectly normal most of the time
[10:24] <defendguin> well not most but half the time
[10:24] <Treenaks> liran: sim icq?
[10:25] <liran> yes
[10:25] <Treenaks> liran: you can use GAIM to connect to ICQ
[10:25] <liran> But i want sim
[10:25] <liran> for free sms messages
[10:25] <defendguin> i never heard of sim
[10:25] <liran> http://sim-icq.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
[10:26] <liran> there is debian packages
[10:26] <liran>  deb http://debian.thermoman.de sid sim
[10:26] <liran> i don`t know how to use that
[10:26] <theantix> liran, do you have the universe repository installed?
[10:28] <theantix> liran, if you have enabled universe you can install "sim" in synaptic or with apt-get
[10:30] <liran> how ?
[10:30] <liran> theantix how ?
[10:31] <theantix> liran, follow the instructions in the FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[10:31] <theantix> then in Synaptic you can search for "sim" and install it
[10:34] <liran> theantix thanks
[10:34] <liran> now i got new problem
[10:34] <liran> I cant see movies,i see them as black screen
[10:35] <liran> in totem
[10:35] <nawty> halo
[10:37] <theantix> liran, try what you find here: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:42] <azeem> tseng: here now, did you find a sponsor?
[10:48] <staticactivity> hi, i'm dual booting between ubuntu and win but whenever i boot to win, the system time goes ahead by 5 hours :(
[10:50] <SteveA> ubuntu wants the system clock to be in UTC.  Windows tends to want it to be in whatever timezone you're in.
[10:50] <llpamies> I everybody !
[10:51] <llpamies> Where can I find a good mono repository for ubuntu ?
 So how do I fix this
[10:51] <SteveA> I didn't say that ;-)
[10:51] <Lathiat> llpamies: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[10:52] <crimsun> llpamies: faq
[10:52] <llpamies> srisum: sorry
[10:52] <Lathiat> you know hes sorry when he mangles your nickname :P
[10:52] <SteveA> staticactivity: ubuntu on my system syncs with a time server when it boots
[10:52] <SteveA> on the rare times I boot into windows, I don't really care about the clock
 o.k, I'll try syncing with my school's time server
[10:53] <SteveA> sorry, I can't suggest anything better than making all your OSes use time servers.
[10:53] <baietas> is there a reason why my firefox was downgraded when i upgraded my system?
[10:53] <topyli> staticactivity: set ubuntu to be in local time as well. not sure how to do that after installation though. tzconfig or something?
 ok, i'll try that, thanks
[10:54] <topyli> tzsetup probably
[10:56] <theantix> baietas, I think it has to do with this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676
[10:57] <d-b> The Ubuntu team will send you Ubuntu CD's at no charge, for you to install and share. We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well.
[10:57] <d-b> WoW
[10:57] <d-b> Am I reading this right?
[10:57] <crimsun> yes.
[11:00] <d-b> Wow.
[11:01] <baietas> thats amazing :)
[11:01] <liran> what is the command to take a print screen on xfce4 ?
[11:01] <Treenaks> liran: xwd
[11:01] <Treenaks> liran: (man xwd)
[11:02] <jdub> GOOD MORNING SEB128!
[11:02] <seb128> HEEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jdub :)
[11:03] <jdub> ;)
[11:04] <j^> is there a chance that python-pygame will make it into main at some point?
[11:09] <baluba> hi
[11:11] <baluba> i've this sensation ubuntu first installed Firefox PR1 and then reverted to 0.93. and pkg description seems to confirm that: 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu1 - www-browser
[11:12] <crimsun> correct.
[11:12] <Mithrandir> 1.0PR.1 wasn't stable.
[11:12] <baluba> ok thanks. just wanted to be sure
[11:15] <topyli> "which firefox are you running?" "it's the 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0" ;-)
[11:18] <baluba> an horrible mutant
[11:19] <Treenaks> call Professor Xavier!
[11:21] <baluba> this reminds me of http://www.livejournal.com/users/xtat/122140.html
[11:26] <topyli> evil meteorologist, hmm?
[11:26] <topyli> cool
[11:41] <bitserf> hi, i'm having trouble getting PATA DMA going on an intel i875 chipset that also has SATA
[11:42] <Mithrandir> bitserf: booting off SATA?
[11:42] <bitserf> correct
[11:42] <bitserf> ide-disk & piix are loaded, what else needs loading?
[11:42] <Mithrandir> known bug, add the chipset modules to /etc/modules
[11:43] <Mithrandir> I don't know the module names, sorry :/
[11:43] <bitserf> ahh, so loading them after boot won't work? (piix is the chipset module)
[11:43] <Mithrandir> is ide-generic loaded?
[11:43] <bitserf> yes
[11:44] <Mithrandir> list piix, ide-disk, ide-generic in /etc/modules, probably in that order -- ide-generic needs to be loaded last.
[11:44] <bitserf> aha. thanks :)
[11:46] <joolz> on my $OTHER_DISTRO i do an `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` every night
[11:47] <joolz> automatically, it's just a workstation
[11:47] <joolz> so i don't nee d to test everything
[11:47] <joolz> Is this a good idea to use in ubuntu too?
[11:47] <Mithrandir> joolz: it will probably work fine for ubuntu as well, yes.
[11:48] <joolz> Mithrandir: yes, i guess. I guess i'll cron it nightly... The updates are a fast moving target :)
[11:49] <Mithrandir> joolz: warty is releasing very soon, though, and after that, you'll just get security fixes.
[11:49] <Mithrandir> (unless you go for hoary, but I think that'll be a bit bumpy in the beginning. :)
[11:51] <joolz> Mithrandir: tx. will a reinstall be needed to go from warty to hoary, or wil apt do the trick?
[11:51] <Mithrandir> apt should work fine.
[11:52] <joolz> great, that's good news. I'm running 2 pc's + a notebook on U now, but if we switch the whole company (it that ever happens), this would save a lot of work.
[11:52] <sertmann> hmmm mplayer packages..... not anywhere to be found, why?
[11:53] <Mithrandir> sertmann: patent issues -- there are some links on the wiki.
[11:53] <sertmann> ok, so it's just a matter of using marilat i guess, but are those debian packages working with debian?
[11:54] <sertmann> ubuntu even
[11:54] <Mithrandir> they should, but, as usual -- no guarantees.
[11:54] <Mithrandir> bitserf: did it work?
[11:54] <bitserf> mithrandir: thanks, that did the trick. before that, my IDE drive could do all of 2mb/sec :)
[11:55] <Mithrandir> bitserf: cool. :)
[11:55] <bitserf> as well as chow my cpu something funny. now it does 55mb/sec with low cpu :)
[11:55] <Mithrandir> nice to hear.
[11:57] <sertmann> yeah, fair enough, anyone tried them out?
[11:57] <joolz> Duh. My cron dires have .placeholder files in them. 
[11:57] <joolz> # DO NOT EDIT OR REMOVE
[11:57] <joolz> # This file is a simple placeholder to keep dpkg from removing this directory
[11:57] <iainm> what does "unsupported" mean in the context of ubuntu's universe repo? Does it just mean "we won't help you with this package", or does it mean "if you install this package we don't want anything to do with you"
[11:57] <joolz> imo a very bad idea
[11:57] <iainm> I suspect it's the former, but I'd like to be sure :)
[11:58] <joolz> is this something new? Debian stable doesn't have it
[11:58] <Mithrandir> iainm: "if this breaks, you get to keep both parts".
[11:58] <Lathiat> Mithrandir rather
[11:58] <Lathiat> whats in the multiverse stuff
[11:58] <iainm> Mithrandir, for individual packages or for the entire system after installing such packages?
[11:59] <Mithrandir> iainm: it means we just provide updates on a best-effort-basis and that we might remove stuff from universe without telling anybody.  It only applies to the universe packages themselves.
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: non-free and contrib from Debian, basically.
[12:00] <tuo2> Mithrandir: Once Warty has frozen, is it only security bugs that will be fixed? or latent functionality bugs as well...
[12:00] <iainm> Mithrandir, thanks for the information.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> tuo2: I think we have more or less the same policy as debian when it comes to updating stable releases -- security + fixes for totally broken packages.
[12:02] <tuo2> so, backports for *really nasty* bugs, but no new functionality.
[12:02] <tuo2> good good
[12:02] <tuo2> :)
[12:02] <Mithrandir> we shouldn't have any really nasty bugs in warty, though, as they should have been found and weeded out before release.
[12:03] <iainm> interesting - python-mode not installed by default. That surprises me.
[12:03] <tuo2> Mithrandir: but should != will
[12:03] <tuo2> :)
[12:03] <micX> Mithrandir, I have lousy disk performance too, this is what lsmod says: 
[12:03] <micX> Mithrandir, ide_core              125272  4 ide_cd,ide_generic,via82cxxx,ide_disk
[12:03] <micX> Mithrandir, can u help?
[12:03] <Mithrandir> micX: are you using SATA?
[12:03] <micX> Mithrandir, PATA
[12:04] <micX> Mithrandir, Timing buffered disk reads:   36 MB in 10.25 seconds =   3.51 MB/sec
[12:05] <HcE> enabled DMA?
[12:05] <micX> HcE,  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[12:05] <Mithrandir> HcE: that should be done automatically by the via driver.
[12:06] <HcE> Mithrandir: again you use should ;)
[12:06] <micX> system runs dog-like :(
[12:06] <HcE> could be a bad disk and DMA dissabled
[12:06] <HcE> s/ss/s/
[12:06] <Mithrandir> micX: you can try putting via82cxxx in /etc/modules and see if it helps.
[12:06] <Mithrandir> HcE: I try not to seem certain when I'm not. :)
[12:06] <Mithrandir> micX: if that works, we have a bug we should track down.
[12:07] <liran> I want a good sharing files app like kazaa,but not emule or amule
[12:07] <Treenaks> liran: gtk-gnutella
[12:08] <liran> Treenaks
[12:08] <liran> apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[12:08] <liran> ?
[12:08] <HcE> dcqui-qt perhaps?
[12:08] <micX> Mithrandir, # lsmod|grep via82cxxx
[12:08] <micX> via82cxxx              13084  1
[12:08] <micX> ide_core              125272  4 ide_cd,ide_generic,via82cxxx,ide_disk
[12:09] <Treenaks> liran: why don't you just try before you ask?
[12:09] <Mithrandir> micX: load order is important.
[12:09] <micX> Mithrandir, so if it's in /etc/modules it will load earlier?
[12:09] <Mithrandir> micX: yes; try and report back. :)
[12:10] <micX> Mithrandir, ok, I've edited it into /etc/modules. bbiab
[12:10] <joolz> weird... i have no /dev/hda
[12:11] <joolz> hm, it's hdb. Is this normal?
[12:11] <darkersatanic> If it's the primary slave drive, it'll be /dev/hdb
[12:11] <HcE> joolz: yes, if it's primary slave
[12:12] <joolz> hm, my other harddisk broke and it was replaced by the manifacturer. Apparently they put it in slave
[12:12] <joolz> will this affect performance?
[12:12] <HcE> joolz: just a jumper thingy, no performance issues
[12:12] <joolz> (being slave, not master that is)
[12:13] <joolz> HcE: ok, tx
[12:13] <HcE> just remember to set it right with your bootloader and so on :)
[12:13] <HcE> but since you've booted up, I'll guess everything is ok
[12:14] <joolz> HcE: :) yeah, i guess
[12:15] <HcE> joolz: you can always "test" with hdparm -tT /dev/hdb
[12:15] <joolz> yes, i'm doing that right now
[12:15] <tuo2> hmm
[12:15] <joolz> to see if i can speed up things some more
[12:16] <joolz> hmm, hdparm -X34 -d1 -u1 /dev/hdb slows me down
[12:17] <joolz> seems like the default settings are good
[12:17] <joolz> i'm only making things slower :)
[12:18] <HcE> hrhr
[12:18] <micX> Mithrandir, it seems a bit better, but:
[12:18] <micX> Mithrandir,  Timing buffered disk reads:    2 MB in  4.63 seconds = 442.30 kB/sec
[12:19] <Mithrandir> err, that seems wrong.
[12:19] <Mithrandir> try once more. :)
[12:19] <Mithrandir> make sure to wait until your system has settled down after booting,
[12:20] <micX> Mithrandir, ok, here goes...
[12:21] <micX> Timing buffer-cache reads:   404 MB in  2.01 seconds = 201.43 MB/sec
[12:21] <micX> Timing buffered disk reads:    2 MB in  4.63 seconds = 442.30 kB/sec
[12:21] <micX> :(
[12:22] <stojanos> Can someone help me with building initrd image? I have compiled and installed kernel but there is no initrd image in boot directory for new kernel. 
[12:22] <Mithrandir> micX: that's _really_ weird.
[12:22] <micX> how would I tell that the disk is hosed? It's not new
[12:23] <HcE> micX: run badblocks on it?
[12:23] <micX> Model=ST340016A, FwRev=3.75, SerialNo=3HS36F7Z
[12:24] <HcE> Seagate disk?
[12:25] <HcE> jepp
[12:25] <HcE> I have the same disk in 80GB version
[12:25] <HcE> but on a Intel chipset
[12:26] <micX> HcE, does it work better than this?
[12:26] <HcE> micX: think I get around 30-40MB/sec reading
[12:26] <HcE> don't have that machine booted now, so can't check
[12:27] <HcE> you don't have any errors in dmesg?
[12:27] <micX> well, if the driver reports dma, hdparm reports dma, but the disk runs like crap... is it trashed?
[12:28] <HcE> micX: you should se some I/O errors or DMA timouts
[12:29] <HcE> s/tim/time/
[12:30] <micX> HcE, if badblocks comes back with a list of numbers like 231964 231965 does that mean they are bad?
[12:31] <HcE> micX: I really don't remember, been so long since last time I ran badblocks
[12:31] <smeggy> hmm.. why did my firefox just get downgraded
[12:31] <HcE> I usually pipe to a file, and see over the file afterwards
[12:31] <Lathiat> smeggy: someoen else mentioned that
[12:31] <Lathiat> maybe it was rolled back from a bug or soethign
[12:31] <smeggy> heh.. not complaining.. theres hardly any difference... just wondering?
[12:32] <micX> HcE, but any output from badblocks is BAD?
[12:32] <HcE> it should say
[12:33] <HcE> try run with -v for verbosity
[12:38] <Iorek> MSN/Gaim doesn't connect! I blame Ubuntu! Even though Trillian and Kopete don't connect either on completely different OSes...
[12:39] <cef> haha..
[12:39] <cef> methinks either MSN is stuffed, or they've changed the protocol once again
[12:39] <fabbione> cef: i tend to think they did it right this night
[12:39] <Noodles> It's stuffed.
[12:40] <Noodles> http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[12:40] <fabbione> i can't connect either
[12:40] <Lathiat> hey cef
[12:40] <Lathiat> cef: nah its fscked
[12:40] <cef> heya Lathiat 
[12:40] <Lathiat> trying to voip someone doesnt work very well
[12:40] <cef> daniels: so whaddya think? think we could give away 5000 ubuntu cd's at the swapmeets?
[12:40] <Lathiat> knew i should havebrought my headset this morning
[12:40] <Lathiat> cef: what good would that do? maybe livecds would be usefull?
[12:41] <Iorek> *nods sagely* kicking crappy speakers upgrades them
[12:41] <daniels> cef: don't see why not :)
[12:41] <Lathiat> i doubt mum and dad are going to blow away their computer :P
[12:41] <cef> Lathiat: cos we can? and yeah live cd's as well if we can get 'em
[12:41] <Lathiat> cef: ordering on the cd order thing?
[12:41] <Lathiat> i ordered 50 i thought that was extreme :P
[12:41] <HcE> live CDs are nice, instant repair on Wintendo machines ;)
[12:41] <Lathiat> heh
[12:42] <Iorek> Lathiat it's just a factor hundred...
[12:42] <Iorek> er...
[12:42] <Lathiat> a nice gnome based live cd finally :)
[12:42] <Lathiat> gnoppix wasnt so good
[12:42] <Iorek> which makes it, what, extreme to the max?
[12:42] <cef> HcE: heh.. I was also thinking it'd be great to give a few copies to the hardware tester guys
[12:42] <cef> I've got a new Dual Opteron at work.. so I'm tempted to try ubuntu on it *grin*
[12:43] <Lathiat> heh
[12:43] <Iorek> I just wish it came with some decent burning app, or that rhythbox didn't suck so much :)
[12:43] <Iorek> otherwise suse would have been long gone already
[12:44] <trip_out> hello
[12:44] <Lathiat> Iorek: what did you want to burn?
[12:45] <Iorek> audio cd
[12:45] <Lathiat> ah
[12:45] <Lathiat> dont think that support is in rhythmbox atm is it?
[12:45] <Iorek> it could be, but the interface is horrible, unless I'm missing something
[12:45] <Iorek> I probably am
[12:45] <Iorek> it happens a lot
[12:45] <Lathiat> i don think it does 
[12:45] <Lathiat> not in the build
[12:45] <Lathiat> its in cvs i think
[12:46] <Iorek> mhhh, I happily tinkered two OSes into oblivion already, so I'm a bit more careful now
[12:48] <Iorek>  ubuntu won't be in warty, right? That's hoary?
[12:48] <Lathiat> umm
[12:48] <Lathiat> Warty is a version of ubuntu
[12:48] <Iorek> I know
[12:48] <Mithrandir> Iorek: ubuntu is the distribution, warty is one release, hoary is the next one.
[12:48] <Iorek> I know :P
[12:48] <Lathiat> Ubuntu is the name of the distribution, warty is the release name current, hoary is the current oen
[12:48] <Lathiat> *next one
[12:48] <Iorek> I know :P
[12:48] <Lathiat> Iorek: well what you said made no sense, read it :P
[12:48] <Lathiat> or is english your second language?
[12:48] <Iorek> I know :P
[12:48] <Iorek> yes :)
[12:48] <Iorek> what I MEANT
[12:49] <Lathiat> ;)
[12:49] <Iorek> was "kde won't be etc etc"
[12:49] <Lathiat> oh not in warty now
[12:49] <Lathiat> *no
[12:49] <Lathiat> damnit
[12:49] <Mithrandir> kde won't be in warty, no.
[12:49] <Lathiat> future support is planned, not sure about hoary
[12:49] <Mithrandir> it's in universe.
[12:49] <Iorek> and the mistake has nothing to do with English as my second language, just me being an airhead
[12:49] <Lathiat> Iorek: :)
[12:49] <Iorek> yeah, but I'm afraid of universe
[12:49] <Iorek> it's too big
[12:49] <Iorek> too scary
[12:49] <nate> heh
[12:50] <nate> speaking of scary, I just did an update and it's downloading 75 megs
[12:50] <Mithrandir> Iorek: what about multiverse, then? ;)
[12:50] <Lathiat> heh
[12:50] <Iorek> *SCREAM*
[12:50] <Lathiat> nate: yeh the archive moves fast
[12:50] <Iorek> *wets pants*
[12:50] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: whats in multiverse anyway....
[12:50] <nate> when does multiverse come online?
[12:51] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: non-free + contrib from debian
[12:51] <Lathiat> ahh
[12:51] <nate> that package is not dead which can eternal lie unmaintained
[12:51] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: is it dangerous to add? :)
[12:51] <Iorek> I love gnome, I just think some KDE apps are definitely better than their gnome counterparts :/
[12:51] <Lathiat> like is it gonna remove my xfree86 or something :)
[12:52] <Lathiat> Iorek: yeh ive only come accross 1but that happens
[12:52] <Lathiat> im sure some gnome apps are more polished than some kde ones
[12:52] <Iorek> K3B en juk come to mind
[12:52] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: it's not dangerous to add, no, packages therein have no guarantees, like universe.
[12:52] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: yeh of course, i know :)
[12:52] <Iorek> but your disk drive may start cussing at you
[12:52] <Iorek> use at own risk
[12:53] <nate> I just added the Flash plugin from contrib. Was that universe or multiverse?
[12:53] <nate> I thought it was universe
[12:53] <Iorek> k3b is obvious...but juk handles tags better, and plays ALL my mp3s, not just "most of them"...
[12:54] <nate> does multiverse have extra contrib sections?
[12:54] <Iorek>  http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu1
[12:54] <Iorek> er?
[12:55] <nate> yikes
[12:55] <Iorek> nate yes, that's probably happening with you too :P
[12:56] <nate> hmm
[12:56] <Mithrandir> 1.0PR1 was too unstable, so we're downgrading.
[12:56] <nate> really? Wow
[12:56] <nate> unstable how?
[12:56] <Mithrandir> crashed. :)
[12:56] <Iorek> I noticed that it did crash a lot
[12:56] <nate> ...
[12:56] <nate> hmm
[12:56] <Iorek> in suse too
[12:57] <nate> I don't think it's crashed once on me so far
[12:57] <Iorek> always happened when clicking a link
[12:57] <nate> mine still identifies as 1.0 PR1, but I notice the title bar isn't yellow on https
[12:58] <Iorek> it's in disguise :)
[12:58] <Iorek> usurping and pretending
[12:59] <nate> It has the lock icon in the URL bar though
[12:59] <nate> weird
[12:59] <Iorek> it's some sort of 0.9.3/1.0PR slash fanfic halfbreed!
[12:59] <nate> ulp
[01:00] <nate> what truly terrifies me is I'm sure somewhere on the Net there is indeed a group dedicated to Mozilla slashfic
[01:00] <Mithrandir> nate: I did so not need to get that image inside my head.
[01:01] <Iorek> Firefox/Thunderbird slashfic
[01:01] <Iorek> "his tail slowly stroked her more...intimate feathers"
[01:02] <nate> When Sunbird is done, it'll be a triangle. 
[01:02] <Iorek> Sunbird? :)
[01:03] <nate> Calendar
[01:03] <darkersatanic> And quite nice it seems to be, too.
[01:03] <Iorek> mine identifies as 0.9.3 now
[01:04] <nate> wah
[01:04] <nate> I liked my shiny toys
[01:04] <linux_mafia> whats slashfic?
[01:05] <linux_mafia> slash fiction?
[01:05] <Iorek> it's the place where Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy duddenly realise they want eachother
[01:05] <Iorek> *suddenly
[01:05] <linux_mafia> what like eroticized popular literature?
[01:06] <linux_mafia> only of the gay variety? or hetero too?
[01:06] <nate> it's the seamy underbelly of pulp fandom, yes
[01:06] <Iorek> more like badly written gay butchering of popular literature, but yes :)
[01:06] <Iorek> it TENDS to be gay though
[01:06] <linux_mafia> ok
[01:06] <Iorek> and written by women
[01:06] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[01:06] <Iorek> I find this intriguing
[01:06] <daniels> dudes, offtopic!
[01:06] <daniels> please use #offtopic
[01:06] <linux_mafia> sorry
[01:06] <Iorek> er :P
[01:06] <Iorek> yeah!
[01:06] <linux_mafia> getting carried away
[01:07] <Iorek> back to ubuntu/debian slashfic!
[01:07] <linux_mafia> ok
[01:08] <Iorek> ...
[01:08] <Iorek> is not talking at all better than talking about slashfic? :)
[01:09] <nate> yes
[01:09] <nate> ;)
[01:10] <Iorek> you're probably right :P
[01:11] <nate> hmm, another hour remaining on my update
[01:17] <hypn0> i've always used rpm distros, is the only difference to debian based distros the packages and installation :-/
[01:17] <Treenaks> hypn0: mostly..
[01:17] <Treenaks> hypn0: there's apt-get of course..
[01:18] <Treenaks> and a packaging policy so packages always work well together
[01:18] <hypn0> i had that in fedora too
[01:18] <Iorek> sort of. From own experience, apt-get seems to work a whole lot better
[01:19] <Treenaks> and no weird /etc/sysconfig/* stuff to override your /etc/ config changes
[01:20] <hypn0> i tried the live cd, the only thing i was a bit unsure about was dash shell, i understand why they used it, but i liked bash :-)
[01:21] <Noce> hello people
[01:21] <nate> dash?
[01:22] <hypn0> i think it was dash :-/
[01:23] <Kamion> neighborlee: no need to suggest a rescue mode, we're already aware that it's needed
[01:24] <plovs_work> anybody having bookmark problems after downgrading firefox?
[01:29] <SteveA> plovs_work: I've had numerous problems with *grading firefox, fixed by shutting it down, removing the file XUL.mfasl from my profile directory, and then restarting.
[01:36] <plovs_work> steveA I'll give it a try
[01:39] <DXT> i followed this: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto for my R9800P, i restared and when i try to set a resolution i get this error:
[01:39] <DXT> The X server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[01:39] <daniels> right
[01:39] <daniels> that's because the ATI binary driver doesn't support on-the-fly resolution changes
[01:39] <DXT> you see, 1600x1200 is not too healthy for me :|
[01:40] <DXT> so how do i change it?
[01:40] <plovs_work> SteveA, that worked! nice! why did it work? what is XUL.mfasl?
[01:40] <daniels> edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:40] <DXT> be more specific
[01:40] <DXT> what to change there?
[01:41] <DXT> plus tuxracer looks like it's on drugs but that's another issue :P
[01:41] <SteveA> plovs_work: XUL.mfasl is a bunch of cached "compiled" XUL.  It makes the application start-up faster.
[01:42] <SteveA> plovs_work: but, if it is inconsistent with what the XUL should be, it causes problems.
[01:42] <DXT> so how do i change the resolution ? :\
[01:42] <plovs_work> SteveA, thanks
[01:42] <SteveA> I think the "cached XUL" feature has been turned off for the latest ubuntu builds
[01:43] <SteveA> it is just too flaky
[01:43] <Iorek> tuxracer ALWAYS looks like that...:P
[01:43] <DXT> is there an APTable java runtime enviroment package?
[01:43] <plovs_work> SteveA, it should remove the file on a first run after an update anyway
[01:44] <DXT> my eyes hurt 1600x1200 aaaaaaaah -.-
[01:44] <Treenaks> DXT: did you read the faq?
[01:45] <DXT> ure talking about the resolution thing?
[01:45] <Treenaks> DXT: that, and java
[01:45] <DXT> i'll check it out..
[01:49] <DXT> i found a faq.. but i dont think that's what u meant
[01:49] <DXT> can you gimme a link?
[01:50] <DXT> ohh topic :)
[01:51] <DXT> no its the same thing
[01:51] <DXT> nothing about drivers or java
[01:51] <dewey> good day mates
[01:52] <dewey> I am coming to you from my new ubuntu install :)
[01:54] <Iorek> congrats ;)
[02:06] <zv0dka> hellos. my cd-rom driver isnt recognize when i try to install ubuntu.. it's an lg gcc-4481b. anyone knows where can i find the driver?
[02:06] <Treenaks> zv0dka: what kind of CD-ROM is it?
[02:06] <Treenaks> zv0dka: SCSI or IDE or USB or firewire or something else?
[02:06] <zv0dka> ide
[02:06] <Treenaks> zv0dka: that should work
[02:06] <LathiatEBP> hmm thats the second time ive heard that in as many days
[02:06] <NDread> Is there *any* way I can get xorg on ubuntu?
[02:06] <Treenaks> without special drivers
[02:07] <Treenaks> NDread: wait a few months, basically
[02:07] <zv0dka> Treenaks.. but it doesnt :(
[02:07] <zv0dka> and i can't find the drivers anywhere..
[02:07] <NDread> Treenaks: Ok :(
[02:07] <Treenaks> zv0dka: is it set up correctly in hardware?
[02:07] <Treenaks> zv0dka: (master/slave etc)
[02:07] <zv0dka> Treenaks.. yes. it works on debian, fedora, xp..
[02:07] <NDread> nice to see gnome 2.8 got into ubuntu before it did on gentoo
[02:08] <zv0dka> LathiatEBP.. at the first time, how was the problem solved? :)
[02:08] <LathiatEBP> zv0dka: it wasnt :)
[02:09] <zv0dka> that's nice.. *not*
[02:09] <zv0dka> :P
[02:09] <LathiatEBP> zv0dka: What is the problem exactly, it fails to recogsnise the cd drive or the actual cdrom itself (of ubuntu)
[02:10] <zv0dka> LathiatEBP.. i start the computer from the ubuntu cdrom, then it checks the hardware, an then ask me for cdrom drivers
[02:10] <LathiatEBP> hmm
[02:10] <LathiatEBP> i suppose its possibly you have some crazy weird ide chipset
[02:10] <LathiatEBP> is it raid or anythig?
[02:10] <zv0dka> nops. 
[02:10] <LathiatEBP> tho if it works on fedora it should be fine
[02:10] <LathiatEBP> switch to the console (alt+f2) and type "dmesg|grep hd"
[02:11] <LathiatEBP> paste that in privmsg
[02:11] <zv0dka> okis
[02:11] <daniels> NDread: what do you need from xorg?
[02:11] <zv0dka> have to reboot :p
[02:11] <zv0dka> brb
[02:12] <NDread> daniels: better support for my sis gfx chipset
[02:12] <daniels> NDread: we've actually backported the entire sis driver from thomas winischofer
[02:12] <LathiatEBP> someoen else might have to help that v0dka dude i gtg :)
[02:12] <LathiatEBP> laters :)
[02:13] <NDread> daniels: I didnt see any sis_dri.so
[02:13] <daniels> ah, I'm not sure we build SiS DRI, but it's still highly experimental, even in X.Org
[02:13] <NDread> its been experimental for a long time now. 
[02:13] <daniels> yeah
[02:13] <daniels> doesn't make it any less expiermental ;)
[02:14] <NDread> oh well, might as well get dri from sf.net and compile it myself again
[02:14] <Treenaks> daniels: did fabbione tell/ask you about reporting ubuntu #1842 upstream?
[02:16] <daniels> Treenaks: thanks for the tip, i'll put it in our bz upstream
[02:17] <Treenaks> daniels: thanks
[02:33] <baietas> can anyone point me to a quick cdwriting setup guide?
[02:41] <Treenaks> deprecated: re 1842, would valgrind output help?
[02:41] <Treenaks> uh
[02:41] <Treenaks> daniels: 
[02:52] <tseng> azeem: no, havent bugged many peoply.
[02:57] <malte`> hi
[03:01] <SamBozo> where can I find a listing of the hot keys for window size manipulation in gnome?
[03:03] <daniels> Treenaks: could do, yeah
[03:03] <Treenaks> daniels: OK, then I'll do that tonigh :)
[03:03] <Treenaks> t
[03:05] <bob2> SamBozo: computer -> desktop preferences -> keybindings
[03:10] <SamBozo> tnx bob2   it was the alt F7 to resize down I was looking for .. I rememberd it but can't find that section in the help file
[03:10] <SamBozo> make that F8  <g>
[03:21] <azeem> tseng: have you talked to robster about tomboy? He has filed an ITP (#272264) some time ago
[03:23] <smeggy> so anyone know why firefox got downgraded?
[03:23] <tseng> azeem: no, but i have noticed that
[03:24] <bob2> smeggy: bugginess
[03:24] <tseng> oh, robster is right here
[03:24] <smeggy> bob2, ah.
[03:24] <bob2> smeggy: for example, clicking on a javascript new window link would crash it for a bunch of people
[03:25] <smeggy> I see! :)
[03:25] <smeggy> I wasn't complaining, just wondering :)
[03:25] <bob2> heh, just explaning :)
[03:25] <bob2> it's a shame, 0.10 had some nifty features
[03:25] <smeggy> thanks :)
[03:26] <smeggy> Yeh.
[03:26] <phosphorgreen> hello every1
[03:26] <smeggy> yo
[03:27] <phosphorgreen> any1 any idea on how ide-scsi is set up in ubuntu or more generally, how to get cd burning working. I want to burn audio tracks from MP3 which I could do fine on my last box
[03:27] <plovs_work> tseng, will you update tomboy? 0.2 builds cleanly
[03:27] <smeggy> I don't think you need to use the ide-scsi thing anymore... I may be wrong though.
[03:28] <tseng> plovs_work: er, 0.2?
[03:28] <phosphorgreen> thats good, but how does cdwriting work these days then?
[03:28] <plovs_work> phosphorgreen,smeggy, no ide-scsi anymore for 2.6 kernels
[03:28] <tseng> plovs_work: i still see 0.1.2
[03:28] <smeggy> plovs_work, thought so.
[03:29] <plovs_work> tseng, it is in http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/releases/ (they did not yet update the frontpage)
[03:29] <phosphorgreen> the module still exists in the system tho
[03:29] <tseng> plovs_work: i already pushed 0.1.2 to jdub/mdz for universe
[03:30] <tseng> plovs_work: but i can update it in my tree for giggles
[03:30] <plovs_work> tseng, that would be nice, I follow your tree, still
[03:31] <plovs_work> tseng, any plans on ifolder?
[03:31] <tseng> plovs_work: not atm
[03:39] <bob2> phosphorgreen: you don't need or want ide-scsi
[03:40] <tseng> plovs_work: try that out
[03:45] <iainm> tseng, it seems to have produced an Applications->Accessories->Tomboy Notes menu item that is not functional.
[03:46] <iainm> running tomboy --start-here in a terminal tells me "Tomboy remote control disabled."
[03:46] <anders_> will the release install-cd be able to shrink ntfs patitions?
[03:46] <tseng> iainm: yep
[03:46] <mir> I get: Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied) When I try to burn with cdrecord, why does it want exclusive access to hda??... I use the same commands etc in debian and it works gr8
[03:47] <tseng> iainm: i can fix that for you right quick
[03:48] <mir> Anyone who can help me with my cdrecord issue?
[03:49] <tseng> iainm: try again
[03:49] <iainm> incidentally, the first time I typed "Ubuntu" in a tomboy note it said I had misspelled it.
[03:49] <tseng> hm, wait i guess it cleans out my tree =/
[03:50] <tseng> that wont fix it.
[03:50] <anders_> ntfstools -> ntfsresize in warty final install cd?
[03:51] <anders_> Not easy to convince people to remove their win partition to try linux
[03:51] <jacob> Is it possible to see the changelog for a newer package in aptitude, before installing it ?
[03:51] <iainm> yeah, it's till doing the same thing.
[03:54] <bob2> jacob: install apt-listchanges
[03:55] <bob2> mir: are you sure hda is your cd rom drive?
[03:56] <jacob> bob2, thanks, looks good
[03:58] <dalderman> hi guys and gals
[03:58] <dalderman> anyone tries loading a self signed ssl CA cert into evo?
[03:58] <dalderman> s/tries/tried
[03:58] <dalderman> It's not working but I don't seem to get any error
[03:58] <dalderman> the same cert loaded fine into epiphany
[03:59] <mir> bob2: hda is not my CDRW drive
[03:59] <mir> bob2: And I don't know why it wants access to hda
[03:59] <bob2> mir: patse the exact command line you're trying to use
[04:00] <mir> bob2: I spesify ATPI:0,1,0 witch is cdrw
[04:00] <bob2> no, that's wrong
[04:00] <bob2> dev=/dev/hdc or whatever your cd drive is
[04:01] <mir> bob2: even when I am not running ide-scsi?.. This command works perfectly in debian: cdrecord blank=fast dev=ATAPI:0,1,0
[04:01] <mir> But In ubuntu I get error
[04:01] <bob2> just use the device node
[04:01] <bob2> it's the recommended way to do it in 2.6
[04:01] <bob2> by everyone except joerg
[04:02] <mir> bob2: Wow, it worked.. lol
[04:02] <mir> bob2: Thanks.. I thougt ATAPI:x,x,x was the way in 2.6.
[04:03] <bob2> nope.
[04:03] <Treenaks> /dev/hdx
[04:03] <mir> Ok thanks alot, its working now :-)
[04:03] <daniels> do not listen to mr. schilling.
[04:03] <Treenaks> bob2: does Joerg have a rationale for this?
[04:04] <daniels> Treenaks: no
[04:04] <daniels> Treenaks: other than that it's not SCSI
[04:04] <daniels> and doesn't try to bolt SCSI on to something that's clearly not SCSI
[04:05] <Treenaks> ah.. bone-headedness
[04:05] <bob2> he seems to dislike linux and ide
[04:05] <bob2> a lot
[04:11] <limaunion> quick question, is it posible to run two 'apt-get installs' simultaneouly ? 
[04:11] <Kamion> limaunion: no
[04:12] <limaunion> thanks!
[04:12] <Kamion> limaunion: they each take a lock, so if you try then you should get an error
[04:12] <limaunion> Kamion: ok, never tried.
[04:13] <richnrockvillemd> I would like to have the sound working. It is a sound blaster 16 isa pnp. any ideas where I should look?  (be gentile with me as I am a idiot on Ubuntu..
[04:30] <vrln> are the the security problems fixed in the recently downgraded firefox (it was 0.10, now it's 0.93 again)?
[04:30] <Kamion> vrln: yes
[04:30] <Kamion>  mozilla-firefox (0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu1) warty; urgency=low
[04:30] <Kamion>  .
[04:30] <Kamion>    * Revert to 0.9.3-6 + branding changes
[04:30] <Kamion>    * Version so as to be greater than 0.99+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1
[04:30] <Kamion>    * Port Ubuntu branding changes to 0.9.3
[04:30] <Kamion>    * Patch to fix upstream bug #259708, the 1.0PR security problem.
[04:30] <vrln> ok, thanks :)
[04:31] <jacob> How do I get the changelog for a package
[04:31] <azeem> do you have a no-epochs-policy, or was this a matter of 'the version is too long anyway, so adding 'reverted.foo' to it does not matter
[04:32] <Treenaks> jacob: look in /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:32] <jacob> thanks
[04:34] <MyKq3> y some programs on Gnome don't use the general applied theme ?
[04:34] <MyKq3> e.g. amule
[04:34] <azeem> they are broken, probably
[04:35] <jacob> MyKq3, perhaps they are using gtk1.2...
[04:35] <azeem> MyKq3: amule seems to be a GTK-1.2 program, not a GNOME2 one
[04:35] <MyKq3> can i fix this ?
[04:35] <Kamion> azeem: adding an epoch would have made it gratuitously difficult for people to "upgrade" back to Debian
[04:36] <azeem> oh, right
[04:36] <Kamion> azeem: we use "ubuntu" suffixes on version numbers rather than pretending we own the whole namespace for pretty much the same reason
[04:36] <azeem> that part I know of (being used to +hurd.1)
[04:36] <Tzalidar> can i upgrade between releases by doing "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[04:38] <jacob> How does the updating of ubuntu really work practically? Should I update/upgrade in Aptitude once a day or so, and that way be able to stay updated to the current version of Ubuntu forever ?
[04:39] <jacob> Or do I ever have to download a new ISO and burn/isntall it ?
[04:39] <phosphorgreen> any1 any idea why k3b would see my cdrw drive as root, but not as my usual user?
[04:40] <phosphorgreen> k3b sees the drive, just thinks its a cdrom not a cdrw
[04:40] <Tzalidar> jacob, since ubuntu uses apt, all you need to do is update it either via synaptic or by"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[04:40] <jacob> phosphorgreen, I believe its because some restrictions in the recent 2.6 kernels
[04:40] <Tzalidar> phosphorgreen: as jacob said :)
[04:41] <phosphorgreen> jacob: any way around it? I'd rather not log in as root every time i want to cdrw
[04:41] <phosphorgreen> especially as there are other users that want to use cdrw
[04:41] <jacob> Tzalidar, ok, so you always follow the main ubuntu repository? I come from Fedora Core, which has specific repos for the different version, thats why I'm asking
[04:41] <jacob> phosphorgreen, mail the k3b devs and tell them to fix it, thats the best answer I can give
[04:42] <jacob> phosphorgreen, but they probably alredy know 8)
[04:43] <phosphorgreen> thankx jacob: is there any other good cdrw software out there then?
[04:44] <jacob> phosphorgreen, k3b is the best cdburning software there is, I dont know of any Gnome app that can burn CD/DVD ISO:s...
[04:45] <phosphorgreen> i've tried gcombust and gtoaster but they dont seem to work either, i didnt have all these issues with my last setup
[04:45] <phosphorgreen> it seems to be because cdrecord -scanbus wont work, because there is no ide-scsi any more
[04:46] <jacob> phosphorgreen, "cdrecord -scanbus" as root wont work ?
[04:50] <phosphorgreen> jacob: nope : cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[04:51] <jacob> phosphorgreen, hmm, I actually have the same problems
[04:51] <phosphorgreen> k3b must send it something correct to get it to write under root tho
[04:52] <nobse> hi
[04:53] <nobse> Anyone knows why mozilla-firefox was downgraded from 0.10.1 to 0.9.3?
[04:53] <tseng> because 0.10.1 was buggy to the man
[04:53] <tseng> max
[04:53] <baluba> bye
[04:53] <nobse> tseng: Hmm, runs very well here.
[04:53] <tseng> except for randomly crashing
[05:01] <limaunion> nobse: I agree with you, runs well.
[05:02] <limaunion> tseng: no crashes
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> Anyone here have a Wacom USM device working in Ubuntu?
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> *USB
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> (drawing tablet)
[05:05] <Smeven> hi
[05:05] <Smeven> gdm is messed up on my system
[05:05] <Smeven> and i cant seem to get it to work
[05:06] <pitti> Smeven: any details?
[05:06] <Smeven> when gdm is supposed to start
[05:06] <Smeven> it gives me a dialog (curses) that says there seems to already be a display on :0 and it asks if i would like to start another
[05:06] <Smeven> so i drop back to the term
[05:06] <Smeven> kill X and gdm
[05:07] <Smeven> and then try running gdm again
[05:07] <Smeven> same thing
[05:07] <Smeven> I also tried apt-get install gdm --reinstall
[05:07] <Smeven> notta
[05:07] <Smeven> it has been this way for over a week now
[05:09] <Smeven> The only thing i can think that may have caused this, is an upgrade
[05:12] <azeem> anybody know a good blackdown.org java mirror for ubuntu? The one mentioned in the wiki/RestrictedModules returns 404 here
[05:12] <siretart> azeem: try java-package from multiverse
[05:12] <Smeven> well
[05:12] <Smeven> no such luck
[05:12] <Smeven> gdm is still broken
[05:13] <phosphorgreen> how many people here had cd writing 'just work' out of the box with ubuntu?
[05:14] <phosphorgreen> Kamion: what sorta setup do u have? Are you sure you dont need to be root to burn
[05:15] <Smeven> hm
[05:15] <Smeven> ok
[05:15] <Smeven> i have tried everything i can think of
[05:15] <Smeven> anyone have any ideas on the previous mentioned gdm problem?
[05:15] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: mine works fine too
[05:16] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: use Nautilus burning for most things
[05:16] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: whatever writer's in a powerbook
[05:16] <Smeven> ?
[05:17] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: I have a HP300c
[05:17] <Smeven> hm
[05:18] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: I have a DVD/CD combo
[05:18] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: if it doesn't work for you, file a bug rather than asking for whom it does work. :-)
[05:18] <phosphorgreen> Phr0stByte: do u have to b root to write to it
[05:18] <phosphorgreen> how does 1 file a bug?
[05:18] <Kamion> opicc
[05:18] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: Not at all
[05:18] <Kamion> oops
[05:18] <Kamion> topic
[05:19] <Phr0stByte> heh
[05:19] <phosphorgreen> Phr0stByte: what kernel is ur machine running?
[05:20] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: 2.6.8.1-3-686
[05:20] <phosphorgreen> i read in linux-kernel announce that from 2.8 onwards you need to be root to burn to ide cdrws
[05:20] <phosphorgreen> i mean 2.6.8
[05:20] <phosphorgreen> same here Phr0stByte
[05:21] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: I think that has been patched, as I can write without using "sudo"
[05:21] <Kamion> we patched that in Ubuntu kernels, yes
[05:21] <eniac> hey, is it possible to install ubuntu from a floppy disk ?
[05:21] <Kamion> I believe it's patched in Debian kernels too
[05:21] <Kamion> eniac: no, sorry
[05:21] <eniac> Kamion: and from an other distro 
[05:22] <Kamion> yes, use debootstrap to install the base system
[05:22] <eniac> Kamion: I have no idea what debootstrap is, could you give me a hint
[05:23] <Kamion> eniac: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html, although the documentation is very raw
[05:23] <Phr0stByte> phosphorgreen: First I would check /etc/ftab - then if that looks OK - try burning from the cl. See what that tells you.
[05:23] <Kamion> in particular that documentation doesn't yet describe how to install the desktop
[05:23] <Phr0stByte> *fstab
[05:23] <eniac> Kamion: thanks, I'll give it a try and I can always come here to ask if I'm in trouble I guess.
[05:24] <eniac> Kamion: aaah , that's what I need a desktop
[05:24] <eniac> I'll just go out and buy some cd's then :-)
[05:24] <Mayday> how nice, in 2.6.8.1-3-686 my fan isnt working :(
[05:24] <eniac> hoped there was a way without moving my but 
[05:25] <Kamion> eniac: 'aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop"' after doing what that documentation says, should do the trick
[05:26] <sertmann> does the default ubuntu kernel come with bootsplash? or has anyone succesfully tainted the kernel with it?
[05:26] <Kamion> no, it does not come with bootsplash
[05:26] <Smeven> not a bad idea though
[05:26] <Kamion> we tried that briefly and it broke the installer, so we reverted it and will be doing something better for hoary
[05:26] <sertmann> ah ok, i was just wondering...
[05:27] <phosphorgreen> can someone with a working cdrw setup do me an lsmod and grep for the sg module, mines doesn't appear to have loaded
[05:27] <sertmann> but it was only the installer it broke?
[05:27] <Kamion> "only"
[05:27] <sertmann> yeah
[05:27] <Kamion> but yes, believe so
[05:27] <sertmann> sorry :=
[05:27] <sertmann> he
[05:27] <Smeven> If it only broke the installer....why not make a post-install option?
[05:28] <Smeven> just a thought :P
[05:28] <Kamion> because we don't want that divergence, and we will be doing something better for hoary.
[05:28] <Smeven> what is hoary?
[05:28] <Smeven> except for the ex
[05:28] <sertmann> next release
[05:28] <Kamion> the release after warty
[05:28] <Smeven> ok
[05:28] <Smeven> is there any docs on for what is to come with hoary?
[05:28] <Kamion> it's not as simple as an "option", it requires a totally different kernel build
[05:29] <Smeven> Kamion: i understand
[05:29] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog
[05:29] <Smeven> i have set it up many times
[05:29] <Smeven> more pain than its worth if you ask me
[05:29] <sertmann> meh, ill go play with it, and see if i can get it working....
[05:29] <Smeven> i dont like patching my kernels unless it is for something "useful"
[05:29] <sertmann> Smewen: im a sucker for things like that, can't help it :)
[05:30] <Phr0stByte> Smeven: you dont need to patch your kernel to change your boot-splash
[05:30] <sertmann> Phr0stByte: no?
[05:31] <Phr0stByte> no
[05:31] <Kamion> Phr0stByte: you need to patch the kernel to enable it *at all*
[05:31] <Kamion> hence http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fusplash
[05:32] <Phr0stByte> Kamian: sorry - thought they were talking og the Gnome splash
[05:33] <Smeven> Phr0stByte: i know....
[05:34] <stojanos> after compiling the kernel using original /boot/config.xxx file I am missing 16 modules. Is config file in boot directory wrong or I am missing something else?
[05:35] <Kamion> did you use the same kernel source?
[05:35] <stojanos> no I used updated one from ubuntu
[05:37] <stojanos> Should I use one from CD (if there is source package on CD)?
[05:38] <sertmann> yeah, was just trying to get one from apt, none available?
[05:38] <Smeven> i am tired
[05:38] <Smeven> i swear
[05:38] <Smeven> i just want to stomp libtool into little pieces
[05:38] <Kamion> it's available, linux-source-2.6.8.1
[05:38] <Kamion> not on the CD though
[05:39] <sertmann> ah, just to used to the ways of debian then :)
[05:41] <stojanos> Yes I used this one but this is updated several times. This is now 2.6.8.1-14.
[05:44] <stojanos> I don't knwo enough about mkinitrd. What I have done is just mkintird -o /boot/image.xxxx xxxx vere xxxx is kernel version. Is this a reason why I am missing some modules
[05:49] <jazzka> what exactly do I need to add to sources.list to get the debian-marillat packages?
[05:49] <melf> When I run warty instller, i can't detect my CD-ROM drive. It just says that "No common CD-ROM" drive was detected". I find that a bit funny because as i installed sarge, i encountered no problems at all :/
[05:50] <spiritz> Hi
[05:51] <georgie> jazzka--># Marillat's repository for acidrip, acroread, acroread-debian-files, acroread-plugin, avidemux, etc
[05:51] <georgie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:52] <spiritz> I would like to install kde 3.3 on my fresh ubuntu distrib. I noticed there was no KDE 3.3 in synpatic, is there a place to get it for ubuntu ? should I use the debian packages?
[05:52] <jazzka> georgie, thanks!
[05:52] <georgie> no probs. i always forgot (on debian) so i keep it somewhere sane
[05:52] <georgie> ..and it came in handy for ubu :)
[05:54] <sertmann> does someone know a id3v2 tagger for gtk that's not easytag?
[05:55] <Smeven> does anyone know why it smells like ass out my window
[05:56] <Smeven> it smells like wretched ass
[05:56] <jacob> I don't get any kind of video output in Totem... :(
[05:56] <bur[n] er> sertmann: you dont' like easytab?
[05:56] <Smeven> some japanese guy is probably poppin a squat outside the window
[05:56] <bur[n] er> tag rather?
[05:56] <sertmann> bur[n] er: i can't get it to cooperate with my danish charecters, it just removes them
[05:57] <Smeven> sertmann: you could always write your own
[05:57] <sertmann> Smeven: i could, but i don't know any programming what so ever, and i don't really have the time to learn ;)
[05:58] <spiritz> isn't any kind of linuxconf tool under ubuntu so I can set my keyboard layout properly?
[05:58] <bur[n] er> aww... sertmann there's something called hh... canasta... no cann*** i forgoet
[05:59] <bur[n] er> linuxconf?  you a redhat/fc guy?
[05:59] <sertmann> a ha....
[05:59] <spiritz> yes Im from redhat, I just installed ubuntu
[06:00] <Smeven> sertmann: i dont think it would be 'too' hard :)
[06:00] <spiritz> how do ubuntu people set their keyboard layout ?
[06:00] <d-b> Isn't it in X conf?
[06:00] <spiritz> what's x conf? xfree-config ?
[06:01] <sertmann> Smeven: well with the time it took me to learn vbasp i think it would, for me :)
[06:02] <Kamion> there's something in Desktop Configuration to set the keyboard layout
[06:02] <spiritz> ok just found it, thx
[06:04] <thisfred> bur[n] er: cantus?
[06:06] <Smeven> cantus isnt bad
[06:07] <spiritz> where is the kernel source located in ubuntu? I'm trying to make my wifi card module, but it returns to me make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[06:07] <spiritz> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[06:07] <spiritz> . Any Clue?
[06:08] <Kamion> install linux-headers-*
[06:08] <spiritz> thanks 
[06:08] <Kamion> (whichever one matches your linux-image-*)
[06:08] <melf> anyone? I have LG cdrw drive and warty doesn't know how to detect it when i choose the option to mount and detect :/
[06:10] <herzi> does anyone here use ubuntu and the xfs file system and is having some fs-related problems?
[06:10] <afonit_> anyone have a good link on how to mount a network drive?
[06:11] <bur[n] er> thisfred: that's the one!!!  cantus!
[06:16] <Smeven> if i can only remember
[06:17] <Smeven> there was some way to load id3 tags with hex
[06:17] <jisao> I have difficulties with the cf keyboard with Ubuntu
[06:18] <jisao> I have tried to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as explained on the ubuntulinux site...
[06:19] <jisao> got the keyboard to work, but still have error messages.  What should be my next step?
[06:19] <lpp> I want to install java for my ubuntu that will work also on mozilla
[06:20] <lpp> can any one help me in this?
[06:21] <uxi9000> hello, just ran upgrade and lost the cool ubuntu sounds. anybody know where they went??
[06:22] <thisfred> lpp: if you have a java that works, you can symlink to it from your mozilla-plugins directory...
[06:22] <lpp> how?
[06:22] <lpp> i have java
[06:22] <thisfred> lpp: in your java directory
[06:23] <lpp> I don`t know where is it
[06:23] <thisfred> there's a directory called (looking this up)
[06:24] <gnomy> hi all
[06:26] <thisfred> lpp: there's a directory plugin in you jre directory right?
[06:26] <thisfred> in there, find the path for your particular browser & platform
[06:28] <gnomy> i have the problem that i hear sounds but when i try playing an audio cd its not working
[06:28] <gnomy> can somebody help me?
[06:28] <thisfred> where mozilla is probably sth like ns6*
[06:29] <thisfred> lpp: then go to usr/lib/mozilla
[06:30] <thisfred> lpp: and type sudo ln -s /path/to/your/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:30] <thisfred> lpp: that should be it
[06:30] <lpp> i done it
[06:30] <lpp> how to check ?
[06:30] <thisfred> sun has a check page I think
[06:31] <lpp> where?
[06:32] <thisfred> lpp: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp
[06:32] <lpp> working
[06:32] <lpp> !
[06:32] <lpp> thanks
[06:32] <thisfred> cool
[06:33] <thisfred> no problem
[06:33] <lpp> but go.icq.com isn`t working
[06:33] <lpp> said i need java-vm
[06:34] <thisfred> may need older or newer vm than you have? I'm not an expert on java by any means...
[06:34] <lpp> bah
[06:34] <lpp> i have another question mate
[06:34] <lpp> I want to install sim icq
[06:35] <lpp> there is debian's binary's
[06:35] <lpp> Debian unstable:
[06:35] <lpp> deb http://debian.thermoman.de sid sim
[06:35] <lpp> how i use it?
[06:37] <thisfred> I think you could try just adding that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list but that *may* screw your ubuntu up royally, as debian and ubuntu sources are not the same. Mostly works for me though, but if it doesn't you're pretty much on your own, so it's your gamble ;)
[06:38] <thisfred> I am also very much an ubuntu newbie, so someone wiser & older please correct me if I'm full of it...
[06:38] <topyli> lpp: the sim packager doesn't seem very confident about the packages. They
[06:38] <topyli> 're chroot compiled and untested.
[06:39] <lpp> so i can`t use sim icq?
[06:39] <topyli> lpp: sure, if it works :)
[06:39] <lpp> how i can try?
[06:39] <pebkac> can anyone tell me if there's any difference between today's daily and the "release" of warty?
[06:40] <topyli> lpp: get the binary, install and run
[06:40] <topyli> lpp: which part is problematic?
[06:42] <lpp> well i dont want to risk my system,but i need icq client so i can send SMS,on icq the service is for free
[06:42] <NewComer> lpp: last time i checked it was free in a couple of countries
[06:43] <thisfred> lpp: also, I don't know in which context you need this, but have you looked at Gaim? I think it does ICQ in addition to most other IM protocols, and I know it works on Ubuntu
[06:43] <topyli> lpp: doesn't gaim work with the sms support? have you tried?
[06:43] <lpp> i did
[06:43] <lpp> no sms over there
[06:43] <thisfred> never mind then 
[06:43] <pebkac> anyone here know if there's any difference between today's daily and the release of warty?
[06:44] <Kamion> pebkac: there is no release of warty yet
[06:44] <Kamion> yes, some things will still change
[06:44] <pebkac> okay, fine.  the "release" of warty.  the 9/27 release
[06:44] <topyli> lpp: you can try to add the sim repository to your sources.list and just install it with apt
[06:44] <pebkac> preview, if you will
[06:44] <topyli> lpp: then pray :)
[06:44] <Kamion> pebkac: plenty; look at the warty-changes list for full details
[06:44] <pebkac> will do
[06:44] <lpp> topyli heh im too afraid to fuck up my system :)
[06:44] <pebkac> i just wanted to say also what a pleasure it is to use ubuntu.  i normally hate gnome
[06:45] <pebkac> ubuntu makes it so... transparent.  i do not even notice that i'm using gnome.
[06:45] <lpp> does ubuntu still beta?
[06:45] <Kamion> 20040927 was not the preview either, BTW ... preview was 20040915, Sounder CD 9 was 20040927
[06:45] <Kamion> er, 20040929
[06:45] <Kamion> lpp: yes, release candidate on Wednesday
[06:46] <lpp> and i must download the iso again and burn it and install it?
[06:46] <Kamion> you can upgrade
[06:46] <lpp> to the final release?
[06:46] <pebkac> kamion: you are with ubuntu?
[06:46] <Kamion> pebkac: yep
[06:46] <pebkac> ubuntu uses apt-get, lpp.  it is very easy to upgrade.
[06:46] <topyli> lpp: yes, and to the next one, and next one :)
[06:46] <topyli> no reinstalls
[06:46] <jkg> oh, while I think of it - what's the Right Way(tm) to install a JRE on Ubuntu?
[06:46] <lpp> Kamion how ? apt-get upgrade
[06:46] <lpp> ?
[06:46] <pebkac> kamion: if i wish to donate server, who do i contact?  preferably someone finnish?  my english is not so good.
[06:47] <pebkac> i have .edu rackmount
[06:47] <Kamion> lpp: 'man apt-get' for details, or use synaptic
[06:47] <topyli> lpp: use synaptic while you learn to use apt
[06:47] <lpp> ok i will :)
[06:47] <lpp> last question topyli !
[06:48] <lpp> I want to add new sources to my apt list Ubuntu sources only
[06:48] <lpp> you got some ?
[06:48] <Kamion> pebkac: I think the only needs we have at the moment are for more mirrors; see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror
[06:49] <Kamion> pebkac: I'm the guy who does all the CD builds, hence why I'm picky about versions :-)
[06:49] <topyli> lpp: no, but debian sources seem to work :)
[06:49] <pebkac> ahh, yes okay.
[06:49] <lpp> i won`t do that
[06:50] <pebkac> i think maybe i can mirror.  i will see what's on the server later.
[06:50] <spiritz> is there anyone here that could help me with my wifi card? I can't get it to work. iT'S AN IPW2200.
[06:50] <lpp> you know why topyli ?
[06:50] <lpp> cuz i tested already
[06:50] <lpp> and my ubuntu fucked up
[06:50] <topyli> lpp: i can guess
[06:50] <lpp> i had to reinstall it
[06:50] <NewComer> Kamion: so there will be a first RC on Wednesday?
[06:50] <Treenaks> spiritz: yes, we can help you
[06:50] <Kamion> NewComer: yes
[06:50] <Treenaks> spiritz: what part does not work?
[06:50] <topyli> lpp: ubuntu universe is basically debian anyway, it has almost everything.
[06:51] <superted> it has imortant stuff
[06:51] <NewComer> then, gonna wait.. won't install the preview
[06:51] <gnomy> is somewhere a list of changes since the preview and rc1
[06:51] <lpp> topyli i think its a new bug
[06:51] <topyli> lpp: i just grabbed java and some multimedia packages, then commented out the repositories
[06:51] <lpp> i did apt-get install apollon
[06:51] <lpp> so apt installed kde also
[06:51] <lpp> and gIFT
[06:51] <lpp> i did reboot
[06:51] <lpp> and bamn no linux 
[06:52] <pebkac> erm.
[06:52] <pebkac> no linux or no graphical login?
[06:52] <spiritz> I got the ipw2200 driver from the ipw2200, I installed it with "make", then I downloaded the firmware, copy the files to the hotplug dir... I loaded the module, everything seems to be ok, I set the /etc/network/interface.... Then I think I'm done, thus I type ifup eth1, but it doesn't work, I got no answer to my dhcpdiscover... 
[06:52] <pebkac> because you have to swap out GDM for KDM.
[06:52] <pebkac> there is a command and i forgot it.
[06:52] <topyli> lpp: apollon seems to be there on the ubuntu servers... did you use that one or a third party package?
[06:53] <topyli> anyway it shouldn't break the whole system
[06:53] <lpp> i just did apt-get install apollon
[06:53] <spiritz> I dont know what else to do :(
[06:53] <pebkac> i am running sneakernet.  my poor pc at home is disconnect at the moment, so i am apt'ing with cds!
[06:53] <pebkac> i should get an award for dedication.  or stupidity.  maybe both?
[06:53] <Treenaks> spiritz: you don't have to do that
[06:54] <Treenaks> spiritz: the IPW2200 driver is included in the Ubuntu stock kernels
[06:54] <lpp> topyli you got msn ?
[06:54] <gnomy> on booting ubuntu i get the following error message "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko Operation not permitted" is that normal????
[06:54] <topyli> lpp: yes
[06:54] <Kamion> gnomy: don't think it's anything to worry about
[06:54] <spiritz> Treenaks, oh!! How do I go back?
[06:54] <Treenaks> spiritz: did you make install?
[06:54] <pebkac> does the daily of ubuntu include rcconf?
[06:54] <pebkac> or do i need to download it?
[06:55] <Treenaks> pebkac: man update-rc.d
[06:55] <Kamion> rcconf is not in warty, only in universe
[06:55] <pebkac> i know, but update-rc.d is so very... clunky.
[06:55] <pebkac> not friendly at all, like the rest of ubuntu
[06:55] <spiritz> Treenaks, with the ipw2200 driver ? no I just typed "make"
[06:55] <Treenaks> pebkac: you shouldn't need to use it anyway
[06:55] <Treenaks> spiritz: ok, then it's easy :) just remove the directory
[06:55] <pebkac> i do not need half the services that load, and i have a P3 933.
[06:55] <pebkac> not much overhead for 22 services.
[06:56] <Treenaks> spiritz: and if you have an ipw2200, the driver should have loaded automatically
[06:56] <Kamion> pebkac: we'll hopefully have a GNOMEish thing for hoary
[06:56] <Treenaks> spiritz: (you can check with dmesg)
[06:56] <spiritz> Treenaks, ok, I removed the dir, let me check dmesg
[06:56] <pebkac> that would be nice.  vidalinux uses some GTK front end for services, you might like it.
[06:56] <pebkac> very simple, elegant.
[06:56] <spiritz> do I need to do rmmod ipw2200? since I typed modprob ipw2200
[06:57] <Treenaks> spiritz: uh.. so you DID do make install ?
[06:57] <Treenaks> (modules got installed?)
[06:57] <topyli> pebkac: it may be one of the gnome-system-tools they left out of 2.8
[06:57] <spiritz> well, indeed all I typed was make then modprob :)
[06:57] <spiritz> I guess I did the instlalation
[06:57] <Treenaks> spiritz: only if you 'make install' you install..
[06:58] <spiritz> ok then I did not install :)
[06:58] <spiritz> lol
[06:58] <Treenaks> and the driver should've loaded automatically
[06:58] <Treenaks> on boot
[06:58] <spiritz> I dont know which version ubuntu of ipw2200 use, but dmesg shows that ipw2200 v0.11 detected my wifi card (0.11 is the one I also tried to install)
[06:59] <Treenaks> spiritz: 0.11 is in ubuntu
[07:00] <pebkac> there was a very nice article somewhere on getting nvidia to work with ubuntu.
[07:00] <pebkac> but i have lost it.
[07:00] <lpp> what is the command to install .deb files ?
[07:00] <Treenaks> pebkac: it's on the wiki
[07:00] <pebkac> dpkg -i 
[07:00] <pebkac> treenaks: very good, thank you.
[07:00] <spiritz> Ok
[07:01] <spiritz> but I still dont know why my wifi isn't working
[07:01] <spiritz> is the fact that iwlist eth1 scan shows results means my wifi card is able to connect and working with no doubt?
[07:01] <Treenaks> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:01] <Treenaks> hey, the wiki is broken
[07:02] <Treenaks> or at least, the style
[07:02] <pebkac> oh darn.
[07:02] <pebkac> i cannot apt-get, no network access.
[07:02] <pebkac> how will i get these files?
[07:02] <Treenaks> pebkac: CD
[07:03] <pebkac> ah yes, good idea.  now if i may not be so annoying... where do i get them?
[07:03] <spiritz> I dont see anything about wifi in the page u gave me
[07:03] <Treenaks> spiritz: that's about nvidia
[07:03] <Treenaks> spiritz: the wifi driver works just like any other network driver
[07:04] <spiritz> ok gotcha
[07:04] <spiritz> I'll read it
[07:04] <pebkac> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx
[07:04] <pebkac> ah that will work, yes?
[07:04] <spiritz> thanks for u help
[07:04] <Treenaks> pebkac: No
[07:04] <pebkac> oh.
[07:04] <Treenaks> pebkac: look on archive.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <pebkac> dists/warty?
[07:05] <Treenaks> pebkac: pool
[07:05] <Treenaks> pebkac: then restricted
[07:06] <pebkac> ah... n?
[07:06] <pebkac> oh i need all those
[07:07] <spiritz> If I want to get KDE 3.3 on my UBUNTU box, is there a place to find kde package for ubuntu, or should I get them from debian?
[07:08] <Kamion> spiritz: universe, see the web site for details
[07:08] <spiritz> ok, thx
[07:09] <spiritz> are you sure it's on univers?
[07:09] <pebkac> ah so i just copy the restricted folder to cd?
[07:09] <pebkac> and apt-get install ...
[07:09] <pebkac> nvidia-glx?
[07:09] <spiritz> Because I enabled the universe in synpatic, but I see no kde 3.3
[07:10] <topyli> spiritz: seems like universe has 3.1.2
[07:11] <spiritz> yeah something like that
[07:11] <spiritz> But the latest kde version is 3.3... 3.1.2 is old
[07:11] <topyli> spiritz: kdelibs seems to be 3.3
[07:12] <spiritz> Are you sure? mine is 3.2.3
[07:12] <spiritz> and I just refreshed my sources
[07:13] <neighborlee> Kamion, by chance did you message me earlier..I can't tell as the log doesn't far enough and I seemed to have been disconnected on top of that ...;-=)
[07:13] <topyli> spiritz: the 3.3 libs may have come with k3b when i took it from unstable
[07:14] <spiritz> ok
[07:14] <spiritz> do u think it's gonna hurt anything if I install the debian packages?
[07:15] <Kamion> neighborlee: yes, I said that we do know that a rescue mode is desirable
[07:15] <Seealot> hi all
[07:15] <topyli> spiritz: if you install something like all of kde, things may break
[07:15] <lpp> hehe
[07:15] <neighborlee> Kamion, oh ok 
[07:15] <lpp> licq supports SMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:15] <neighborlee> Kamion, I wont bother with a bug report/whatever then...thank you
[07:15] <topyli> lpp: you seem happy
[07:15] <topyli> :D
[07:15] <Seealot> got a question...just installed ubuntu and well, followed instructions on howto install the xvid, divx addons but well....i seem to be having a bad day with that
[07:16] <Seealot> anybody that can help out?
[07:18] <Seealot> can anybody help me out with the totem player in here?
[07:18] <Seealot> please
[07:21] <topyli> heh. "the msn server will be shut down for 1 minute for maintenance". reboot time?
[07:25] <neighborlee> Seealot, whats up..
[07:26] <UziMonkey> Anyone have any idea why, after installing KDE, my vim executable would be gone?
[07:27] <UziMonkey> the vim package didn't get uninstalled, but vim isn't anywhere in my path anymore
[07:28] <neighborlee> anyone else seeing games installed via synaptic not show up on the game menu..for example i've installed 'ace of penguins' yet im not seeing 'taipei, golf, mastermind , merlin for example show up ....?
[07:30] <theantix> neighborlee, yes -- the Debian menu items don't should up in the Ubuntu menu
[07:30] <topyli> neighborlee: i've had to add all non-default apps to the menu by hand :(
[07:30] <neighborlee> sigh
[07:31] <UziMonkey> Gnome should have the debian menu on it then..
[07:31] <theantix> UziMonkey, ick no!
[07:31] <topyli> i'd like to have a separate debian menu
[07:32] <neighborlee> theantix, well...I presume this is a 'feature' idea of ubuntu and not established gnome protocol...thus should I file bug report expresssing my opinion on what should happen or is there a more appropriate forum for this to occur in
[07:32] <neighborlee> topyli, I think all games should go under 'games' by if its an issue with ubuntu developers I say just put them under : applications > games > MoreGames > blah blah blah
[07:33] <theantix> neighborlee,  I'm not sure if you could call it a bug or not if the packages are in universe and unsupported
[07:33] <neighborlee> theantix, yeah I have no problem with that at all..i'm just not sure where to file such reports or suggestions
[07:33] <theantix> neighborlee, I think it would require a decent amount of effort to fix the problem correctly, but I'm glad the Ubuntu developers didn't put in an ugly Debian menu like UserLinux, others
[07:34] <neighborlee> theantix, agreed
[07:34] <nasdaq4088> superman dies
[07:34] <neighborlee> nasdaq4088, but is not forgotten ;-)....he lives on in our ideas and dreams and hope for a better tomorrow
[07:34] <neighborlee> nasdaq4088, I too felt the loss but I believe,,therefore I can hope and see a bright tomorrow
[07:34] <nasdaq4088> :)
[07:35] <atomsk> what does one use to record analog tv input from a tv tuner under linux?
[07:35] <UziMonkey> theantix: but for gui-oriented people who use the universe packages, it would be ideal..  maybe an option to show it or not then
[07:35] <azeem> when I try to run 'make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin', I get 'No matching plugin was found.'
[07:36] <azeem> anybody know about that?
[07:36] <neighborlee> theantix, I agree with monkey...linux is approaching an apex of ideas and uses...we should strive for easy of use if we are to ever break through the windows barrier...to whatever end that takes us we should maintain an open mind
[07:36] <theantix> UziMonkey, neighborlee, well I'm not an Ubuntu dev so I'm just giving my $0.02
[07:37] <neighborlee> considering that gnome2.8 has no easy way to 'edit gnome menu' I think we desperately need an alternative <wink>
[07:37] <neighborlee> theantix, well...where do we 'post' our suggestions then <wink>
[07:37] <neighborlee> the wiki ?
[07:38] <Kamion> ubuntu-devel
[07:38] <neighborlee> nm got it
[07:38] <Kamion> (the mailing list)
[07:38] <neighborlee> yes..wiki
[07:38] <neighborlee> Kamion, so you'd suggest both then..wiki & ML's
[07:38] <topyli> neighborlee: the menu is very easy to edit. right click and edit away :)
[07:38] <neighborlee> topyli, but you can't "add' items
[07:38] <Kamion> I'd recommend the mailing list, *not* the wiki, for still-under-discussion things like this
[07:39] <neighborlee> ok
[07:39] <topyli> neighborlee: sure you can. choose "entire menu" -> "add new"
[07:39] <phosphorgreen> Hi everyone
[07:40] <zepo> hi...i can i get to the tty...alt+ctrl+F1 - F6 , doesn't work
[07:40] <neighborlee> topyli, yes I know of that...actually I meant say if you wanted to add a new menu entry altogether
[07:40] <neighborlee> phosphorgreen, hi
[07:40] <topyli> neighborlee: i don't understand. that's how i've added about a dozen items...
[07:40] <phosphorgreen> I have just issued Bug 2265 at bugzilla.ubuntu.com due to Nautilus not seeing a blank cd. If anyone here has similar problems let me know, or post a followup to bugzilla
[07:41] <neighborlee> topyli, nm its not a biggie
[07:42] <topyli> right click an item that's already there, choose "entire menu", choose "add new". also in nautilus go to applications:/// and edit away :)
[07:43] <theantix> phosphorgreen, can you check if gnome-volume-manager and dbus are still running?
[07:43] <neighborlee> topyli, I"ve tried that and i'm aware of 'entire menu'..I mean adding a 'new' menu...also about applications:///..doesn't work i've tried it but it doesn't add things once i'm done...
[07:43] <topyli> oh, new menu
[07:48] <phosphorgreen>  4716 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default5dbus-daemon-1 --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session
[07:48] <neighborlee> topyli, nm about applications:/// adding..I know it didn't work before but its fine now..maybe it was fixed or I was dreaming..either way its fine albeit thats more of a bandaid for the issue of the games not showing up after being added via synaptic ( now I must hunt and peck to find them ..not fun)
[07:48] <phosphorgreen> theantix: both are running yep
[07:48] <theantix> phosphorgreen: okay we've ruled out the easy/obvious then, I can't help you much sorry
[07:49] <topyli> neighborlee: yep. well the ace of penguins executables all start with ace_ so they're easy to find :)
[07:50] <felixdz> hello
[07:51] <zepo> which is the command to get in tty...? tnx
[07:51] <azeem> ah, java-package needs updating, #275870
[07:51] <neighborlee> topyli, no doubt...thats one out of dozens I installed that I now must hunt via synaptic to find and locate the binary <G>...wont kill me ..I expect 'rough edges' at this juncture and I hope the devs are open minded to change especially as relates to ease of use ( I presume they are)
[07:51] <jisao> Do you have an Ubuntu channel for French?
[07:52] <seb128> #ubuntu-fr
[07:52] <jisao> tx
[07:52] <tof_> :)
[07:52] <lpp> damn can`t wait for the 13/10 :p
[07:52] <lpp> ubuntu go FINAL!
[07:53] <Kamion> final's on the 20th
[07:53] <gnomy> hmm to run k3bsetup u need root priviliges. when i try entering my user password, which should be the password for sudo it tells me that the pw is wrong
[07:53] <gnomy> so what is the correct pw??
[07:53] <gnomy> me can wait to
[07:54] <theantix> gnomy: you can set it with "sudo passwd"
[07:54] <gnomy> ah thanks
[07:54] <Treenaks> but you don't need to set it, because there's sudo
[07:54] <topyli> whoa! 50M of updates today :)
[07:54] <gnomy> and what should i enter in the password field
[07:54] <gnomy> hes not accepting my passworsd
[07:56] <topyli> gnomy: since k3b is from universe, you might actually need a root password
[07:57] <superted> there is no root password
[07:57] <topyli> superted: there is one once you set one :)
[07:57] <Seealot> neighborlee having problems
[08:01] <azeem> does anybody know a website with java I could test my jdk1.5 with?
[08:01] <jacob> Is there anything I have to do, to be able to access my friends (on WinXP) shared files? I can't read them, permission denied
[08:02] <theantix> azeem: it's in the FAQ, check http://ubuntulinux.org
[08:03] <Seealot> got a question...just installed ubuntu and well, followed instructions on howto install the xvid, divx addons but it dosnt quite compute...can anybody help me please
[08:04] <theantix> Seealot: what step you having problems with, specifically?
[08:04] <azeem> theantix: I only see tips on how to get it installed there, not a site where I could test it
[08:04] <theantix> azeem: sorry I misread you -- not sure of a site that requires jdk1.5
[08:05] <azeem> theantix: nm, got it
[08:06] <Seealot> theantic well... the apt-get stuff
[08:07] <Seealot> tried following the instructions in the wiki but got error
[08:07] <Seealot> theantix I mean
[08:07] <Seealot> sorry about that
[08:08] <theantix> Seealot: can you be more specific?  I promise I can help if you give me something to work with :-)  Perhaps an error message, or a description of what you are trying to do that isn't working
[08:08] <Seealot> theantix yes sure...give me a sec
[08:08] <Seealot> theantix went to this webpage http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:09] <Seealot> and well tryed to add the dvd/css and that didn't work
[08:09] <Seealot> didn't get the w32codecs
[08:09] <theantix> Seealot: are you using apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic?
[08:10] <Seealot> then i found a webpage that told me it was enough to write apt-get update totem-xine but that didn't work either
[08:10] <Seealot> tried all of the above theantix
[08:10] <Seealot> I know there is something simple that I have to do, but well...never used debian before so I don't know what i'm missing
[08:11] <theantix> okay, well in your sources.list, you need a line like "deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[08:11] <Seealot> couldn't get totem-xine via apt-get install either
[08:11] <Seealot> in sourcelist ... do you mean in aptitude or synaptic?
[08:11] <theantix> oh!  you also need to have the line that contains "universe" uncommented (remove the "#" at the start of the line that contains universe)
[08:12] <theantix> Seealot: edit /etc/apt/sourcles.list with your favourite text editor
[08:12] <Seealot> ok give me a sec theantix
[08:12] <theantix> except spell sources.list correctly :-)
[08:13] <Seealot> hehehe
[08:13] <Seealot> ok...its open...what now
[08:14] <Seealot> theantix do I take out the two ##
[08:14] <theantix> Seealot: do you have the line I posted above in there?
[08:14] <neighborlee> whom is responsible for whats in the TOPIC ? ;-)
[08:14] <Seealot> theantix ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[08:14] <Seealot> ## repository.
[08:14] <Seealot> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[08:14] <Seealot> did you mean that??
[08:14] <imka> are there good games other than frozen bubble in the repo?
[08:15] <theantix> Seealot: the two lines following that, yes
[08:15] <Seealot> damm...it doesn't want to remove...give me a second
[08:16] <theantix> Seealot: you'll have to do that as sudo/root, sorry I should have specified that
[08:16] <Seealot> what editors are there in the terminal
[08:16] <Seealot> sorry...found my fav, pico
[08:17] <jazzka> which packages should I apt-get to play wmv files?
[08:17] <Seealot> theantix that is done
[08:17] <Seealot> what now
[08:17] <jazzka> mplayer, and ...?
[08:17] <theantix> Seealot: now do you have any lines in there with the word "marillat" ?
[08:18] <Seealot> no
[08:18] <Seealot> where?
[08:18] <neighborlee> jazzka, I think its called: moz-plugger
[08:18] <Seealot> where should i see those lines?
[08:18] <jazzka> neighborlee, you can play wmv files with ubuntu?
[08:18] <neighborlee> jazzka, I think its called: mozplugger < that..no hyphen
[08:19] <neighborlee> jazzka, yes
[08:19] <theantix> Seealot: in your sources.list  -- okay, add a new line that consists entirely of  "deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" 
[08:19] <jazzka> neighborlee, have installed any codec?
[08:20] <neighborlee> jazzka, as I say you just need mozplugger faik..although I"ve never tried to play a wmv so I really am not sure how well it works
[08:20] <jazzka> :(
[08:21] <Seealot> theantix done
[08:21] <Seealot> :-)
[08:21] <Seealot> and what then?
[08:22] <theantix> Seealot: now you should be able to install totem-xine and w32codecs from apt-get or synaptic, whichever you prefer
[08:22] <RedMenace> Ok, I used the Synaptic package manager to do a Smartupdate, and I ended up with Firefox 0.93again.  When I look at my version in the package manager, it says "0.99+1.0PR+revertedto0.93-0ubuntu1"
[08:23] <theantix> RedMenace: it seems that they have reverted because of how buggy 1.0PR is
[08:23] <RedMenace> ok, as long as it's not something weird happening with me
[08:24] <Seealot> theantix what should I write in the terminal to use apt-get to install the totem xine and etc?
[08:24] <RedMenace> One thing I've noticed is you can't install flash player for your browser on AMD64 systems
[08:24] <mteira> Hi.
[08:24] <theantix> Seealot: "sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs"
[08:25] <Seealot> got lots of errors
[08:25] <mteira> Weird things happen on my box.
[08:25] <theantix> Seealot: sorry, do an "sudo apt-get update" first
[08:25] <mteira> xsane is detecting my TV card as a scanning device. My scanner is not detected at all.
[08:26] <Seealot> theantix...this is what comes root@ooc:/home/netoryggi # sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs
[08:26] <Seealot> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:26] <Seealot> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:26] <Seealot> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:26] <Seealot> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:26] <Seealot> is only available from another source
[08:26] <Seealot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:26] <Seealot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.tu-bs.de unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.tu-bs.de_mplayer_ftp.netrim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:26] <Seealot> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:26] <Seealot> E: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[08:26] <Seealot> root@ooc:/home/netoryggi #
[08:26] <Seealot> root@ooc:/home/netoryggi # sudo apt-get update totem-xine w32codecs
[08:26] <Seealot> E: The update command takes no arguments
[08:26] <RedMenace> What is the difference between the universe, contrib, restricted and regular sections in the Synaptic package manager?
[08:26] <mteira> glxinfo is coredumping for my nvidia GeForce 256
[08:27] <mteira> And I'm not able to use my USB laser printer.
[08:27] <theantix> Seealot: just run "sudo apt-get update" with no arguments, then do "sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs"
[08:27] <mteira> I had much more luck with my laptop.
[08:28] <Treenaks> mteira: what's with the usb laserprinter? any messages?
[08:28] <mteira> Is there any reason why there's not unrar on Ubuntu?
[08:28] <mteira> Treenaks: Yes.
[08:28] <mteira> usb 1-2.4: new full speed USB device using address 4
[08:28] <mteira> drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04E8 pid 0x323A
[08:28] <mteira> usbcore: registered new driver usblp
[08:28] <mteira> drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
[08:28] <Treenaks> that looks right..
[08:29] <mteira> But the setup is not finding any printer.
[08:29] <Treenaks> mteira: which program/setup are you using
[08:29] <mteira> I tried using First USB Printer and so on, but the test page never hits the printer
[08:29] <mteira> Treenaks, Humm.
[08:29] <mteira> Treenaks, The gnome one. Don't know it's name.
[08:29] <Treenaks> mteira: ok, that's the right one afaik
[08:29] <mteira> Treenaks, Computer -> System Setup -> Printing
[08:29] <Treenaks> but I don't really know about the ubuntu printing stuff..
[08:29] <mteira> Treenaks, I tried with the cups web iterface but it's disabled.
[08:30] <Treenaks> mteira: it's not disabled, it's just that you don't have the root pw
[08:30] <mteira> Treenaks, Thanks, anyway.+
[08:30] <Treenaks> mteira: there must be someone on this channel who can help you fix printing
[08:30] <mteira> Treenaks, Well, in fact...
[08:30] <mteira> Treenaks: I'm just upgrading now.
[08:31] <mteira> Treenaks: It will be half an hour, at least.
[08:31] <dolson> is it worth it to install ubuntu on a real old system? like a Pentium 166 with 32MB of RAM?
[08:31] <Treenaks> dolson: 200MHz + 64M is pretty slow already.. but you can always try
[08:31] <Treenaks> ooh! bug!
[08:32] <dolson> Win 95 runs ok on it, but that's about it. I don't feel like mucking about with just WMs though. currently I have debian on it but no GUI
[08:32] <RedMenace> Which repositories should I be using for the Synaptic package manager?  There's a whole bunch of Sections, but I don't know what they mean
[08:33] <Treenaks> RedMenace: just the ubuntu ones I guess..
[08:34] <RedMenace> There's two for a distribution called warty-security ... I know I'm using Warty.  And there's two for section main restricted universe.  Not sure what the universe part refers to in this context.
[08:37] <RedMenace> Found the info I was looking for, if anyone is interested, describing main, restricted and universe in the Synaptic package manager: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[08:38] <Kamion> main, restricted, and warty-security together make a sensible default; just main and warty-security if you don't like the idea of binary-only firmware.
[08:41] <RedMenace> So is warty-security all security updates?  Seems like a silly question, but it has warty-security listed as a distro
[08:42] <omluce> is any ubuntu developer in the house?
[08:43] <jazzka> which command shows what a package will need?
[08:43] <RedMenace> I really liked the monitor configuration stuff that was included in SUSE 9.1   You could adjust your gamma, and your colour and all that kind of crap.  Is there anything like that available for Ubuntu?
[08:44] <mteira> What do I need to do in order to have glx support for my nvidia card?
[08:44] <mteira> I installed nvidia-glx.
[08:44] <mteira> But it doesn't work.
[08:44] <mteira> glxinfo coredumps.
[08:44] <mteira> Do I need to load manually a kernel module or something so?
[08:45] <goatboy_> mteira: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:45] <mteira> goatboy_: Thanks!
[08:47] <jacob> Anyone know how "apt-listchanges" is used ?
[08:48] <jacob> It's man page is a little too hard-to-understand for me...
[08:48] <ke4ozd> is there something wrong with the live-cd just release...won't complete booting on my main box have had prob 50 diff distros runing fine on it in testing...??
[08:50] <ke4ozd> anyone running the just released live-cd OK on their box....?
[08:50] <ke4ozd> Mean got it to boot ok ?
[08:52] <jazzka> alsa error: /dev/mixer doesnt exist
[08:52] <jazzka> what can I do?
[09:00] <mdz> jacob: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[09:00] <mdz> jacob: dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
[09:02] <tof_> /dev/hdb:
[09:02] <tof_>  setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1
[09:02] <tof_>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[09:02] <tof_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:02] <tof_> any idea i can't enable udma
[09:05] <baHam> hi :)
[09:05] <baHam> does anybody have the ubuntu xorg .debs ?
[09:08] <topyli> ok, msn is down
[09:08] <joem> there are no ubuntu xorg debs, official anyways
[09:09] <RedMenace> Anyone have the ATI linux drivers working on AMD64?
[09:10] <RedMenace> not sure if it's possible
[09:10] <Seealot> theantix done that and it seems to work...but one tiny error
[09:11] <Seealot> theantix W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.tu-bs.de unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.tu-bs.de_mplayer_ftp.netrim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:11] <Seealot> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:11] <Seealot> any ideas regarding this?
[09:11] <dolson> welcome andrewski 
[09:11] <andrewski> :)
[09:11] <RedMenace> Seealot: I get that same error
[09:12] <RedMenace> Seealot: By any chance, you know what the error was wth the ATI drivers?
[09:13] <andrewski> quick question: does ubuntu support booting from a floppy when you can't boot directly to the CD (like e.g. mandrake)?
[09:14] <Seealot> RedMenace I have ATI 7000 64MB PCI
[09:15] <baHam> qualcuno su windows mi manda sto file  stdole32.tlb  plz ? E' un file di sistema, cercatelo su Search
[09:16] <gnomy> redmenace i only have a normal p4 no 64bit architectur but the ati driver is running
[09:16] <RedMenace> thanks.  I think it would require some mucking to work with AMD64
[09:17] <RedMenace> How do I mount a drive to be read-only in my fstab file?
[09:18] <andrewski> RedMenace: in flags, try 'ro'.
[09:18] <gnomy> how can i mount or better create an encrypted partition
[09:18] <gnomy> and than mount it to the filesystem
[09:19] <WW_> Seealot: This is a shot in the dark, but that error message says ... ftp.netrim.net ...  It looks like it is has something to do with Marillat's repository, but that is at ftp.nerim.net.
[09:20] <gnomy> is that possible with ubuntu?
[09:22] <aladdin> Hi
[09:22] <aladdin> it is possible to add Marlin to package ?
[09:22] <aladdin> http://marlin.sourceforge.net/
[09:23] <Seealot> WW tried to change that but it doesn't work.
[09:23] <Seealot> man .. this is the only thing that I can find wrong with ubuntu
[09:23] <Seealot> anybody... any way to get xvid or divx to work on ubuntu
[09:23] <Seealot> plase
[09:23] <Seealot> please :-)
[09:23] <andrewski> Seealot: your problem is with xvid or divx?
[09:25] <Seealot> andrewski no it's with totem - it doesn't play any xvid or divx encoded movie
[09:25] <andrewski> Seealot: well, i'd check out totem's website, maybe ask on their mailing lists.
[09:26] <aladdin> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263261
[09:26] <joem> Seealot, what backend for totem?
[09:26] <aladdin> marlin is using gstreamer
[09:27] <Seealot> andrewski sorry...been all over the web searching but seems like there is no support whatever
[09:27] <andrewski> Seealot: did you ask on their mailing list?  i only say this because the problem is not with ubuntu.
[09:27] <andrewski> *not with ubuntu directly
[09:28] <joem> Seealot, again, what backend for totem? you probably just don't have things configured right
[09:28] <Seealot> I know andrewski but I thought someone would have been in my shoes right?
[09:28] <stojanos> Is there madwifi package for ubuntu? I can see that ubuntu is shipped with precompiled modules (ath_pci, ath_hal, wlan). What is the best way to compile it again (I need to compile kernel again).
[09:28] <andrewski> Seealot: maybe, but apparently not. :)
[09:28] <Seealot> joem how do I see the backend??
[09:28] <joem> are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[09:29] <asdf_> is anyone else having a problem with ALT-K not working in the latest firefox build?
[09:29] <asdf_> erm
[09:29] <asdf_> Ctrl-K i mean
[09:29] <asdf_> it should be placing the cursor in the search box
[09:29] <Seealot> joem totem-xine as of this moment... but it's freezes
[09:30] <asdf_> also how come whenever i boot into windows my clock has gone back an hour?
[09:30] <Seealot> it's working thanks to THEANTIX :-)
[09:30] <Seealot> THEANTIX you are a genious
[09:30] <asdf_> genius
[09:30] <Seealot> it was the univere thing you told me
[09:31] <Seealot> genius :-) yes thanks asdf_ :-)
[09:31] <Seealot> exciting
[09:31] <asdf_> ;)
[09:31] <jacob> Anyone know if incorrect X modules loaded on a comp. with NVidia card will cause Totem to display nothing?
[09:31] <asdf_> do you use firefox Seealot
[09:31] <joem> Seealot, you should check out the wiki when having problems
[09:31] <asdf_> jacob if you mean the blue screen thats a bug with totem
[09:32] <Seealot> Yes asdf_ I use firefox
[09:32] <Seealot> joem . i did try the wiki and lot's of webpages
[09:32] <asdf_> Seealot, have you upgraded your packages recently
[09:32] <asdf_> i need someone to test a bug
[09:32] <jacob> asdf_, nope, I mean I don't get anything at all. But I haven't disabled "dri" and the other module the dcs suggested, X works fine though, and so does glxgears
[09:32] <asdf_> with the latest build
[09:33] <jacob> asdf_, the blue screen I experienced on Fedora Core, so thats not it
[09:33] <RedMenace> Is there a java plugin for firefox so I can play the yahoo games?
[09:33] <asdf_> i think its probably a codec thing
[09:34] <stojanos> RedMenace, download j2se binaries from sun (java.sun.com) and edit you mozilla plugin directory
[09:34] <RedMenace> ok, thanks
[09:36] <jacob> Anyone know of a public OggTheora clip I can use to test if Totem is ok?
[09:36] <asdf_> there are those aKademy lecture videos
[09:36] <howard> hi, in which paket is the libtermcap.so ??
[09:36] <asdf_> and i know of a stream that uses theora
[09:37] <jacob> asdf_, Fluendos?
[09:37] <asdf_> yea
[09:37] <jacob> yeah, will try that one
[09:37] <RedMenace> stojanos: should I get the rpm or the self extracting binary?
[09:37] <asdf_> http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800/
[09:37] <asdf_> to save you looking for the address
[09:38] <asdf_> ergh this firefox bug is really annoying
[09:38] <jacob> asdf_, thanks
[09:38] <asdf_> yw
[09:39] <jacob> ah crap, I get internal gstreamer problems when I try that... somethings not right here...
[09:39] <asdf_> well there are the aKademy videos if you dont mind dling 100meg+ files
[09:40] <asdf_> http://ktown.kde.org/akademy/
[09:40] <asdf_> oh wait some of them are around 30
[09:41] <jacob> arent those the audio only?
[09:41] <howard> please help with the libtermcap.so problem, i have to go to bed :(
[09:41] <asdf_> nope theyre video as well
[09:42] <asdf_> howard, search on packages.debian.org
[09:43] <jovian> hello does/did nayone here have a hard time trying to compile nvidia drivers 
[09:43] <Mithrandir> jovian: why are you trying to compile them?
[09:43] <asdf_> yeah there are binaries available in universal i think
[09:43] <Mithrandir> in restricted.
[09:43] <jovian> apt-get install wouldn't work either
[09:44] <Mithrandir> jovian: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:44] <jovian> thanks Mithrandir
[09:45] <howard> thx, its strange, i had a differnt ubuntu install where that tool worked but now it wont, i found this termcap-compat
[09:45] <howard> i didnt installed it the last time
[09:46] <jovian> brb
[09:46] <RedMenace> does alien use the same parameters as rpm?   say, if I'm installing something in rpm and use 'rpm -iv something.rpm' I'd use 'alien -iv something.rpm'?
[09:46] <housetier> you'd use alien to make a .deb which you install with dpkg -i
[09:47] <RedMenace> interesting ...
[09:48] <topyli> RedMenace: you can also use 'alien -i foo.rpm'. it will convert and install
[09:49] <RedMenace> ok, thanks
[09:49] <jacob> aha! Seems like Totem doesnt like having ESound as the selected GStreaer Audio Sink.
[09:49] <asdf_> heh linux sound support is a complete mess
[09:50] <jovian> works thanks Mithrandir
[09:50] <asdf_> oss / alsa / esound / blah blah..
[09:50] <RedMenace> hmmm, getting a lot of errors using alien to try to install this rpm
[09:50] <housetier> RedMenace, what did you do?
[09:50] <asdf_> cant you just compile from source?
[09:51] <asdf_> rpm sucks
[09:51] <topyli> RedMenace: well, it's an rpm :)
[09:52] <howard> cant install the termcap package, depends on an old libc5 version
[09:52] <RedMenace> I'm not really great with linux
[09:53] <housetier> RedMenace, we all were beginners once. now what exactly did you do?
[09:54] <asdf_> if you wanna use linux then youre gonna have to compile something from source eventually
[09:54] <asdf_> nows a good time if the only alternative is messing about with alien/rpms
[09:54] <RedMenace> I downloaded the rpm.  Tried using alien -i foo.rpm
[09:55] <asdf_> what program is it?
[09:55] <RedMenace> the java development kit
[09:55] <asdf_> ahh
[09:55] <asdf_> you dont need an rpm for that
[09:56] <RedMenace> got a lot of errors like this ... dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libjava_crw_demo.so not recognized
[09:56] <asdf_> download the .tar.gz off java.sun.com
[09:56] <RedMenace> also gcc command not found, which is odd
[09:56] <asdf_> and follow the instructions
[09:56] <asdf_> its j2sdk-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin or something
[09:57] <asdf_> its like a shell script with the .tar.gz encapsulated in it
[09:57] <asdf_> i think if you're root and just run sh j2sdk-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin it should do most of the hard work for you
[09:57] <RedMenace> do I want gcc 3.4 or 3.3?
[09:57] <housetier> RedMenace, as I told you: you use alien to convert packages to .deb, then you use dpkg to install them
[09:57] <asdf_> erm im not sure it makes much difference
[09:57] <asdf_> so 3.4 i guess
[09:58] <housetier> RedMenace, try to read "alien --help" :)
[09:58] <asdf_> dont bother with rpm and alien
[09:58] <asdf_> its too much like banging your head against a brick wall
[09:58] <RedMenace> I tried to use alien to convert it, but I got a crapload of errors
[09:58] <asdf_> follow my instructions
[09:59] <housetier> RedMenace, listen to asdf_ 
[09:59] <rapha_> Hi all!
[09:59] <RedMenace> yah, I'm just downloading gcc now
[09:59] <asdf_> hi
[09:59] <asdf_> you dont need gcc to do it
[09:59] <rapha_> I need wvdial and libwvstreams to go online with my ubuntu box; can somebody tell me the URLs to manually download the .deb's?
[09:59] <RedMenace> oh, ok
[09:59] <jacob> Which one of PCM and Volume are you _not_ supposed to max, in order to get non-disted sound? (sorry, a bit offtopic I know)
[09:59] <asdf_> if alien gave you an error about gcc then that just shows how messed up alien is
[10:00] <joolz> hi
[10:00] <topyli> alien is there just to fake lsb compliance :)
[10:00] <asdf_> rapha_, sec
[10:00] <joolz> i installed U in dutch, don't really like it and want to go back to us english
[10:00] <jacob> nm
[10:00] <joolz> so i'm running dpkg-configure locale
[10:01] <joolz> but what's the default language?
[10:01] <joolz> en_US.ISO-8859-1 ?
[10:01] <asdf_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/w/wvdial/wvdial_1.54.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:02] <asdf_> i cant find libwvstreams
[10:02] <smo> joolz: It should ask you as the second question.  First, it'll ask you which locales you want to generate .. then which should be the system default
[10:02] <duane> Hi folks, brand new install here, just tryint to get some things working... anyone have any pointers on where I might troubleshoot sound? I have not messed with linux & sound in a long time, and I know things have changed.
[10:03] <asdf_> it should set it all up for you?
[10:03] <[rapha] > Damnit.
[10:04] <[rapha] > Did somebody answer me already? I'm sorry for the disconnect...
[10:04] <duane> well I'm guessing ubuntu has not found my audio device? the mixer applet shows no sound channels
[10:04] <asdf_> try running alsactl
[10:04] <asdf_> if that cant find it then it gets a bit more complicated
[10:04] <asdf_> rapha_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/w/wvdial/wvdial_1.54.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:04] <asdf_> i couldnt find libwvstreams
[10:05] <asdf_> maybe its included in that package?
[10:05] <joolz> smo: ok... but what is the default system default? :)
[10:06] <[rapha] > Thanks asdf_. For Slackware it is not, but maybe for Debian; I'll just try.
[10:06] <duane> alsactl dosent seem to know about any cards
[10:07] <[rapha] > Btw, this is a bug: wvdial should be included with Ubuntu since it is used by GNOME's network-admin.
[10:07] <asdf_> youll have to look to see if theres a third party driver for it then i guess
[10:07] <duane> let me go hunting for some info about this little guy's sound cards.
[10:08] <howard> anyone has a compliled version of ccxstream?
[10:09] <smo> joolz: I believe C and en_US.ISO08859-1 are one in the same
[10:10] <jazzka> is ubuntu preconfigured to acces a shared folder of windows computer?
[10:10] <pebkac> does anyone know why the 9/27 release of ubuntu would detect my nvidia card fine, and the latest daily crashes on x every time, saying SIS: no device blah blah [0,0] ?
[10:11] <pebkac> even when i run xf86config it still crashes.
[10:11] <pebkac> yes, i have onboard video disabled in the bios, and an nvidia card in pci.
[10:12] <pebkac> mepis 2004 had this same problem.
[10:12] <FLeiXiuS> pebkac, have you tried running the X -configure
[10:12] <pebkac> xf86config?
[10:12] <FLeiXiuS> That would be some what related..
[10:12] <FLeiXiuS> X -configure would re-configure it for you
[10:12] <pebkac> hrm, okay.
[10:12] <pebkac> lemme go try
[10:13] <FLeiXiuS> What sort of errors are you receiving?
[10:14] <pebkac> what the hell?
[10:14] <pebkac> SIS(1): cannot read V_BIOS
[10:14] <pebkac> and it's trying to load the glide module?  i don't have a 3dfx card.
[10:15] <FLeiXiuS> V_BIOS shouldn't be a problem just yet
[10:15] <FLeiXiuS> So you ran `X -configure`
[10:16] <pebkac> yeah.
[10:16] <goatboy_> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' is the ubuntu way.
[10:16] <pebkac> god, all sorts of errors.
[10:16] <FLeiXiuS> goatboy_, my method would work precisely also
[10:16] <pebkac> no mouse found, blank screens, crashes.
[10:16] <FLeiXiuS> :-)
[10:16] <pebkac> this is why the rest of the world uses xorg. :/
[10:16] <FLeiXiuS> pebkac, edit the /ect/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:17] <azeem> goatboy_: no, just works[tm]  is the ubuntu way, dpkg-reconfigure is the Debian way =)
[10:17] <FLeiXiuS> I believe the input for common mice would be, /dev/input/mice
[10:17] <pebkac> ubuntu was "just working".  just not this recent release.  fuck, and i don't have network access on that pc.
[10:19] <swim> hi, w
[10:19] <FLeiXiuS> Hi
[10:20] <swim> where are those rpms x86_64 nvidia 06111 driver? there were two I used that worked
[10:20] <swim> (needed to install both...
[10:21] <swim> goatboy_, do you rememeber where those packages with the x86_64 nvidia drivers are?
[10:22] <goatboy_> swim: the debs are in restricted now.
[10:22] <jazzka> how can I use samba in ubuntu? is it installed by default?
[10:22] <swim> goatboy_, what does that mean?
[10:22] <FLeiXiuS> Hmm, don't they have them on Nvidia?
[10:22] <goatboy_> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:23] <swim> goatboy_, I have restricted as a repository in my synaptics repository list...
[10:24] <swim> goatboy_, the packages being in restricted does that mean I cannot get them?
[10:24] <pebkac> pwahaha, fixed it.
[10:24] <pebkac> good old dpkg-reconfigure
[10:24] <goatboy_> swim: install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8 and nvidia-glx
[10:25] <swim> goatboy_,  will that work for x86_64 ?  
[10:25] <goatboy_> swim: yep.
[10:25] <FLeiXiuS> jazzka, Samba is already installed..
[10:25] <jazzka> FLeiXiuS, how can I access a win 98 shared folder?
[10:26] <jazzka> I'm new on samba
[10:26] <pebkac> deltree * /y
[10:26] <pebkac> should work.
[10:26] <pebkac> oh.  access it from linux
[10:27] <ioslipstream> who is filling metallikop's mind with gtkpod==crap rumours?
[10:28] <joem> heh, rumors?
[10:28] <tck> is there a ubuntu .deb for mysql ?
[10:29] <FLeiXiuS> pebkac, deltree eh?
[10:29] <FLeiXiuS> tck, build from src, its a lousy 5 minutes of your life you can spare
[10:29] <ioslipstream> joem: yep, rumours
[10:29] <FLeiXiuS> Plus its fun :-)
[10:30] <pebkac> hoo boy.  the xfree in the 11 OCT daily of ubuntu hates disabled onboard video.
[10:30] <ioslipstream> for lack of anything even remotely close in functionality, i don't see how you can go wrong with gtkpod
[10:30] <tck> FleiXius, yeah but takes ages downloading on 56 k :P
[10:31] <ioslipstream> errr, wrong channel, please disregard all previous comments =p
[10:31] <goatboy_> tck: mysql-server and -client are in main.
[10:32] <tck> goatboy_, nice
[10:37] <jazzka> ubuntu has samba embeded with nautilus?
[10:38] <Anna> Hello, it's me again, your super moronic newbie!
[10:38] <rapha_> Hi again
[10:39] <rapha_> I know how the library wvdial needs is called now.
[10:39] <ssba> already registered, eh
[10:39] <Anna> First the good news. I was able to install three different dictionaries of the languages I most frequently use with openoffice
[10:39] <rapha_> Would somebody have me the URL for manually downloading "libwvstreams3-base"?
[10:40] <Anna> The bad news is that I'm about to cave in on Opera (the browser) and thinking to install it
[10:40] <ssba> hey
[10:40] <ssba> is there any place online that has a current package list for ubuntu?
[10:40] <Anna> I really miss Opera (snif)
[10:41] <Anna> Are there others who have already installed Opera and know if it works?
[10:42] <rapha_> Because it doesn't seem to be on archive.ubuntu.org...
[10:42] <Anna> 203 people in room?
[10:43] <rapha_> Aaah okay forget it. It's called wvstreams, without lib.
[10:43] <Anna> I would help you if I could...
[10:43] <Anna> but I'm new to this
[10:44] <rapha_> Anna: Not happy with Firefox?
[10:44] <Anna> Well, I chose "block images from this server" and now half my websites don't work anymore
[10:45] <rapha_> Well, then that probably is a very oftenly used server :)
[10:45] <Anna> And the menu firefox tells my where I can change this doesn't exist
[10:45] <Anna> Yeah, I guess! Yahoo, Ebay all don't display images anymore
[10:45] <rapha_> Hmm
[10:46] <rapha_> Anna: Do you already have a lot of bookmarks and settings made in Firefox?
[10:46] <Anna> No, not that many...
[10:46] <swim> goatboy_, I installed, all nvidia stuff as you said, but I dont think it is being used/worked... no nvidia splash at X start...
[10:46] <rapha_> Then you can just delete them. Press "Alt-F2", and in the upcoming dialog enter: "rm -rf ~/.mozilla", then try again.
[10:47] <Anna> ok I'll try right now
[10:47] <goatboy_> swim: run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`; make sure the driver is set to 'nvidia', not 'nv'.
[10:49] <Anna> Oh wow, it worked
[10:49] <Anna> Where do you learn such commands?
[10:50] <Anna> I wanna get into this stuff too (after I get the very basics <cough cough>)
[10:50] <swim> ah thank you goatboy_ that seemed right, btw I set my screen to 1280x960 at 85refresh rate... (im using a laptop) would 85 refresh be right?
[10:50] <rapha_> Anna: Well, for the one I just told you, just open a terminal (you'll find such a thing in the Applications menu) and say "ls /bin
[10:50] <rapha_> Anna: Well, for the one I just told you, just open a terminal (you'll find such a thing in the Applications menu) and say "ls /bin".
[10:51] <rapha_> That will give you a list of the most basic of such commands. When you're interested in one of them, just say "man name-of-program-here", e.g., "man rm" and read how it works.
[10:51] <Anna> oh
[10:51] <rapha_> I'll be right back; have to change computers
[10:52] <DXT> hi, i installed the binary ati drivers, and now i want to switch resolutions (cant do it on-the-fly using the gui), how do i do it?
[10:52] <Anna> Eww
[10:52] <Anna> Green unreadable text in that terminal now
[10:53] <duane> hmm... what does "blacklisted" mean in realtion to a module/driver during boot?
[10:54] <sivang> duane : that means that module is not going to be loaded when identifyed by hotplug
[10:55] <Anna> Ah, I understand
[10:55] <sivang> duane : hotplug is a hardware detection system we use on Ubuntu, together with a modified (to fit more hardware) discover.
[10:55] <sivang> duane : discover is also a system likewise.
[10:56] <duane> hrrm.. my audio driver modules are loaded (showing in lsmod), but volume control says there are no sound channels... just tryint to fogure out my lack of sound
[10:58] <duane> its module snd_intel8x0 which others have had sucess with on debian using this laptop (dell inspiron 600m)
[11:01] <swim> goatboy_: sorry to bug you, couldnt startx after I changed from nv to nvidia, and selected 1280x960 at 85 refresh... maybe it cant handle 85 refresh?... how can I change it if you think thats what I should do.
[11:01] <ljlane> What username and password are used for the CUPS web interface in ubuntu?
[11:03] <swim> or does anyone know where I change my monitors refresh rate/ resolution?
[11:04] <goatboy_> swim: did you `modprobe nvidia`?
[11:04] <Anna> If rapha comes back, can someone say thanks from me please, I have to go. Thanks
[11:04] <_brandx_> swim: Computer > System Configuration > Screen Resolution
[11:04] <swim> goatboy_: oh no I didnt
[11:04] <ljlane> oh, I see, gnome-cups-manager is preferred
[11:04] <swim> _brandx_: I meant not in X
[11:05] <swim> goatboy_: what is the file that I add that to for loading at boot?
[11:05] <goatboy_>  /etc/modules
[11:06] <swim> great thanks goatboy_ that worked great :)
[11:07] <swim> thanks Ill brb
[11:08] <richnrockvillemd> ? I want to engage windows and it tells me that I don't have SMB  installed. What do I have to do to install SMB?  thanks from a complete newbie who barely knows how to get to a terminal prompt..
[11:08] <[rapha] > Finally! A real computer again, if only on 56k.
[11:08] <FLeiXiuS> richnrockvillemd, have you installed samba?
[11:09] <FLeiXiuS> sudo apt-get install samba
[11:09] <invitro> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu Linux and it doesn't boot into X. How can I change this? inittab?
[11:10] <richnrockvillemd> I don't think I have installed samba. I guess I have to type at the terminal prompt sudo apt-get install samba?
[11:18] <swoon> ey
[11:18] <swoon> is there anyway to list only adventure games for example in synaptic?
[11:21] <imka> does any1 play armagetron?
[11:21] <imka> how do i set my keyboard?
[11:22] <vrln> I'm trying to compile fluxbox-cvs in ubuntu, but the configure script is asking for x window system libraries and headers. Any ideas which packages I need to get? (yes, I've tried searching with apt-cache, but it's of little use since I get hundreds of results)
[11:22] <smo> vrln: Most likely xlibs-dev
[11:24] <vrln> thanks, it worked :)
[11:27] <swoon> is there anyway to list only adventure games for example in synaptic?
[11:27] <swoon> anybody?
[11:28] <shama> hi! i'm trying to find rar and unrar in the repositories. event though i use the universal respostory, i cant find the packages. anyone that can confirm if theyre there so i know if ive done som configuration error?
[11:30] <smo> shama: 'rar' should be in multiverse .. it won't be in main nor universe as it's non-free 
[11:31] <shama> oh
[11:31] <shama> any other app that would get the work done?
[11:32] <smo> not that I know of, unfortunately
[11:33] <shama> ok. ive also tried to make unrar from source. first ive installed gcc-3.3, but it doesnt work as g++. any ideas why?
[11:33] <smo> I believe g++-3.3 is a separate package
[11:34] <shama> ah, thanks
[11:34] <DXT|away> how can i change the working resolution without that gui app? (installed ati drivers and im stuck on 1600x1200)
[11:35] <aardvark> I have a FS question
[11:36] <imka> DXT edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:37] <aardvark> would Reiser be a more robust solution than Ext3 ?
[11:39] <spiv> aardvark: depends on who you ask; most people would say "no", I think.
[11:39] <spiv> But it might also depend on what you want it to be a solution *for* :)
[11:39] <aardvark> well thats just the point, a discussion based on fact is needed
[11:39] <spiv> i.e. neither of them is a robust solution for solving world hunger ;)
[11:40] <aardvark> sure, but thats not the issue at hand
[11:40] <spiv> Right, but what is? :)
[11:40] <spiv> Are you just talking about "average" FS use, or some specific workload/configuration?
[11:40] <aardvark> soecific
[11:40] <aardvark> oops
[11:40] <aardvark> specific
[11:40] <spiv> (Not that I'm qualified to answer, but I suspect it matters)
[11:41] <tweak> hey i have a question on a problem i just got.
[11:41] <aardvark> a high availabilty database server
[11:41] <aardvark> availability
[11:41] <tweak> if someone can help me
[11:42] <aardvark> tweak: we could try
[11:43] <spiv> aardvark: I'm no expert, but two points spring to my mind:
[11:43] <tweak> when i boot in it is fine untell i hit the splash screen then it slows way down
[11:43] <jdub> aardvark: for a database server, the file system essentially doesn't matter
[11:43] <aardvark> spiv: please proceed
[11:43] <DXT|away> [23:36]  <imka> DXT edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:43] <tweak> and that just happen today
[11:43] <DXT|away> what exacly
[11:43] <DXT|away> :|
[11:43] <jdub> aardvark: meanwhile, reiserfs is not regarded as 'more robust' than ext3 anyway :)
[11:44] <spiv> aardvark: ext3 is probably run by many more people, so I strongly suspect it's more heavily tested... especially in DB environments where people are likely to be conservative in their technology choices.
[11:44] <tweak> then when i hit ctrl+alt+F1
[11:44] <tweak> the hit the buttons to come back in it is blured
[11:44] <goatboy_> DXT: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; you can select resolutions there.
[11:44] <tweak> what should i set it to
[11:44] <aardvark> jdub: it appears to be so in terms of being a fast journalling FS
[11:44] <spiv> aardvark: Also, ext3 has a feature where it can journal data as well as metadata, which reiser (I belive) doesn't have.  It hurts performance a lot, though...
[11:44] <DXT> thanks i shall try that
[11:45] <jdub> aardvark: not really.
[11:45] <DXT> just need to write it down when i boot into linux :X
[11:45] <Kamion> aardvark: fast != robust
[11:45] <aardvark> jdup: according to benchmarks it appears so
[11:45] <aardvark> Kamion: yes
[11:46] <aardvark> that I know, I am looking for a good all round performer
[11:46] <Kamion> aardvark: for databases it's often not incredibly relevant what the underlying filesystem is; take Oracle which just does raw disk access - most databases try to avoid depending on the filesystem too much
[11:46] <tweak> can some help me or not
[11:46] <jdub> aardvark: reiserfs is good for "lots of small, junk files" situations, such as if you're running a big squid install
[11:47] <aardvark> Kamion: yes Oracle I know does, however I am looking at a PostgreSQL implementation that would feature heavy row insertions and deletes
[11:47] <DXT> big squid?
[11:47] <tweak> Can someone please help
[11:48] <linux_mafia> DXT, squid cache server
[11:48] <aardvark> Kamion: ORACLE is major $$$
[11:48] <jdub> aardvark: *every* database server routes around the filesystem as much as it can
[11:48] <DXT> k :)
[11:48] <jdub> aardvark: any situation where you have massive great big files managed by another process indicates that the filesystem is not an interesting factor :)
[11:49] <tseng> tweak: the idea is, you just ask your question, and hope someone knows the answer. no use asking to ask, or constantly repeating yourself
[11:49] <linux_mafia> so just out of curiosity, you think SUSE made reiser the default, just because hans reiser is a fellow german? ;)
[11:49] <aardvark> jdub: but rememember the time it takes the FS to deal with each read/write will still directly affect the eventual throughput
[11:50] <Kamion> aardvark: Oracle was just an obvious example, and as jdub says
[11:50] <tseng> suse has a reiser hacker on staff
[11:50] <linux_mafia> oh
[11:50] <linux_mafia> heh
[11:51] <Kamion> it's not exactly unknown for SuSE to go for fairly locally-developed technologies anyway, and fairly understandable ...
[11:51] <aardvark> guys I am not trying to argue it's just I have read publisged benchamarks on Reiser4 and it seems impressive
[11:51] <aardvark> published 
[11:51] <dieman> mmm
[11:51] <dieman> more bleeding edge hw
[11:51] <dieman> Kamion: ive got another lspci to send you
[11:51] <dieman> the installer i used, I think it might have been a daily from last week, didn't load ata_piix...
[11:52] <linux_mafia> namesys does not reccomend it for use with anything important/critical 
[11:53] <vrln> anyone managed to get fluxbox-cvs working on ubuntu? It compiles and installs fine but fonts aren't being rendered at all
[11:54] <aardvark> another question
[11:54] <aardvark> what is the release cycle for ubuntu ?
[11:55] <aardvark> every 3, 6 months or when its ready ?
[11:55] <smo> aardvark: 6 months, to closely match Gnome's
[11:55] <tritium> jdub can you put the evolution-exchange .deb packages jbailey built for standard debian in your repository?  it keeps failing to get into incoming
[11:55] <Kamion> dieman: mmmkay
[11:55] <dieman> i'll bug it in a few
[11:56] <aardvark> yet another question
[11:56] <aardvark> how does one get involved helping out the project ?
[11:57] <imka> aardvark there's info on the website
[11:57] <jdub> tritium: jbailey has been uploading my packages
[11:57] <jdub> tritium: #g-d instead :)
[11:57] <aardvark> imka: thks