| Kamion | mdz: can I add the linux-* metapackages to base? :-) | 12:01 |
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| Kamion | (minor problem installing them when they aren't on the CD) | 12:02 |
| Kamion | and adapt the other seeds too, probably | 12:02 |
| Kamion | mdz: you may want to adapt your ubuntu-meta update script to cope, if you haven't already | 12:04 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I might kill the install_restricted_modules function as well if you don't mind | 12:08 |
| mdz | Kamion: sure | 12:10 |
| mdz | Kamion: (to both) | 12:10 |
| mdz | Kamion: the version of ubuntu-meta that went into the archive uses debootstrap as a filter for base, so as long as you don't add them to debootstrap, you're safe | 12:10 |
| Kamion | I don't think linux-386 etc. ever went into a seed, slightly puzzled about how it's in the archive | 12:11 |
| sivang | jdub : around? | 12:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: perhaps elmo massaged it, since I mentioned it to him around the time I was uploading it | 12:15 |
| sivang | seb128 : ping | 12:19 |
| seb128 | pong | 12:19 |
| sivang | seb128 : Could you briefly explain how does the yelp ubuntu package finds the documentation package? do they cross depend? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | define "documentation package" please | 12:22 |
| sivang | seb128 : documentation package = where all the docs displayed by yelp are | 12:22 |
| mdz | sivang: /usr/share/omf | 12:23 |
| seb128 | that's it :) | 12:23 |
| sivang | seb128 : what's the pkg name ? there must be a pacakge to put those files there :) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | no | 12:24 |
| seb128 | each gnome package has some omf file for example | 12:24 |
| sivang | mdz : tnx | 12:24 |
| seb128 | and scrollkeeper-update is called in the postinst | 12:24 |
| mdz | sivang: are you working on #1205? | 12:24 |
| mdz | elmo_: if you don't have an opportunity to debug #2211, please arrange access for me or someone else | 12:25 |
| sivang | mdz : yes, but not only on :) I'd like to know also how to introduce new docs besides the offline "home page" | 12:29 |
| mdz | is bugzilla broken for anyone else? | 12:29 |
| sivang | mdz : yes | 12:29 |
| mdz | sivang: the home page would not be registered in yelp | 12:30 |
| mdz | but if we are going to do an offline home page, it needs to be done today | 12:30 |
| sivang | mdz : are you putting it ubuntu-desktop ? | 12:30 |
| mdz | sivang: I do not have anything to put it in at the present time | 12:31 |
| mdz | s/it in/in it/ | 12:31 |
| mdz | I can't get to anything at the DC | 12:31 |
| sivang | mdz : DC=? | 12:32 |
| mdz | data centre | 12:32 |
| mdz | elmo_: ? | 12:32 |
| jdub | the on-disk home page will live in ubuntu-artwork | 12:34 |
| jdub | i've hacked up a simple on | 12:34 |
| jdub | e | 12:34 |
| sivang | jdub : why don't you send it up to me, I'll add to it some ? | 12:36 |
| jdub | ok | 12:37 |
| sivang | I can't even access ubuntu.com | 12:37 |
| sivang | jdub : you know the address? | 12:37 |
| jdub | yes | 12:37 |
| mdz | thom: ping? | 12:38 |
| sivang | jdub : thanks, I'll do a merge between our 2 versions and send it to you for approval? | 12:39 |
| sivang | mdz : regarding the dead line, that's strange. I understood from John Hornbeck that it's the 18th, is it? | 12:40 |
| sivang | mdz : sorry, this was meant to go to jdub :) | 12:41 |
| sivang | jdub : I was sure it had to be sometime closer, as the cd needs time to get pressed :) | 12:41 |
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| sabdfl | elmo_: knows, has remote hands incoming to check | 12:49 |
| sabdfl | i'm not too far if it needs someone onsite | 12:50 |
| mdz | ok | 12:50 |
| mdz | thanks for checking | 12:50 |
| mdz | what kind of box is passing for a firewall over there? | 12:50 |
| sabdfl | ibm | 12:57 |
| sabdfl | ubuntu | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | 2.4 kernel, hasn't been rebooted to 2.6 yet | 12:58 |
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| sivang | seb128 : for example, the gnome-user-guide get's instlled when I install the GNOME desktop ? | 01:05 |
| sivang | seb128 : or it's meta package for that matter. | 01:06 |
| seb128 | ? | 01:06 |
| seb128 | it's in the desktop seed | 01:07 |
| seb128 | meta package for what ? | 01:07 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-desktop I imagine | 01:07 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: is the ubuntu-desktop package installed? | 01:08 |
| sivang | seb128 : just a though :) | 01:08 |
| sabdfl | maybe a good idea is to have it but not install it? | 01:08 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: it's installed, yeah | 01:08 |
| sabdfl | that way someone can knee-jerk their system into a state of compliance, then get rid of it while they tune | 01:08 |
| sivang | seb128 : thought. Suppose you had a meta package for gnome (that includes all gnome's dependecies) | 01:08 |
| Kamion | I thought the point of it was to have it installed so people could use it to track by default | 01:08 |
| Kamion | the system starts out in a state of compliance :-) | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | well... between releases it will only cause pain | 01:09 |
| Kamion | certainly they can get rid of it | 01:09 |
| Kamion | hm, won't it help? | 01:09 |
| Kamion | how can we reliably add new packages to desktop otherwise? | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | it means they get TWO warnings when they override a default of ours | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | one for the default, and one for ubuntu-desktop | 01:09 |
| Kamion | which is the other warning? | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | say they sub epiph and firefox | 01:09 |
| jdub | i'd kinda prefer an upgrade helper sort of thing | 01:09 |
| jdub | sabdfl: or worse fam/gamin, esound/polypaudio | 01:10 |
| sabdfl | sure, but we used a metapackage as a stopgap for that | 01:10 |
| sabdfl | jdub: yes | 01:10 |
| Kamion | hm, well, it's silly to have me in the position of advocating this, I'll let mdz do it :) | 01:10 |
| sabdfl | a metapackage is nice because BLAM the system comes into compliance | 01:10 |
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| sivang | seb128 : could you tell me tha package name? seeds are menifested in a group of pkgs, if I recall right.. | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | i'm just asking questions, i could well be clueless here :-) | 01:11 |
| mdz | sabdfl: what's the second warning? | 01:11 |
| Kamion | not installing by default is certainly easy IF we decide to go that way. I have no opinion really :) | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | one when they remove the conflicting package, one because ubuntu-desktop will have to be removed too | 01:11 |
| mdz | jdub: so that users who upgrade receive new packages we add to the seeds | 01:11 |
| jdub | mdz: we could do that with aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop", too | 01:12 |
| mdz | jdub: which you would know if you read ubuntu-devel :-P | 01:12 |
| mdz | jdub: the point is that it happens automatically | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | i think an upgrade assistant for warty->hoary could be more subtle than a metapackage | 01:12 |
| jdub | mdz: well, i read that, but wasn't convinced | 01:12 |
| Kamion | hm, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bounty.html is 403? | 01:12 |
| mdz | jdub: and is automatically turned off if they remove one of the packages we install | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | kamion: ran out of cash | 01:12 |
| seb128 | sivang: what do you want to install exactly ? aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop" ? | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | kthnxbye | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 01:12 |
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| mdz | jdub: you should probably have followed up to the list, then | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | process of moving to ubuntu bounties page | 01:13 |
| elmo_ | somewhere there's a very rich jelly bean making company ... | 01:13 |
| jdub | haha | 01:13 |
| mdz | elmo_: and dentists | 01:13 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: mmmkay, a friend asked me about it | 01:13 |
| mdz | or perhaps the dentists OWN the jellybean company... | 01:13 |
| jdub | elmo_: we should convince the jelly belly company to make jelly belly SCHNAAAAKEs | 01:13 |
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| sabdfl | Kamion: should be back now, stooopid permissions problem | 01:14 |
| Kamion | cool, ta | 01:14 |
| sivang | mdz : what is the dead line for the webpage in hours from now? (I'm bad at translating UTC times) | 01:15 |
| sivang | :) | 01:15 |
| mdz | sivang: as soon as possible | 01:16 |
| nasdaq4088 | i just had an idea: why not allow companies to post bounties on ubuntu's web site for development of the os? | 01:16 |
| sabdfl | nasdaq4088: willdo :-) | 01:16 |
| sivang | is ubuntu.com up already? | 01:17 |
| mdz | yes | 01:17 |
| sivang | archive is not letting me install too much :) | 01:17 |
| sivang | 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com] | 01:17 |
| sivang | and stays there | 01:17 |
| Kamion | sivang: it'll be up and down for a while apparently | 01:18 |
| sivang | Kamion : ok. I'll continue to hope :) | 01:18 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 13 RC bugs to go | ||
| Kamion | (upgraded #2136, will fix tomorrow, bed now) | 01:33 |
| thom | mdz: ack | 01:34 |
| thom | mdz: actually, please mail. going to bed now | 01:38 |
| mdz | thom: was just the "data center falling into the ocean" thing | 01:38 |
| thom | ah, right | 01:39 |
| sivang | still down | 01:42 |
| mdz | sivang: <Kamion> sivang: it'll be up and down for a while apparently | 01:56 |
| === lamont points at people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty.iso and looks for people with bandwidth to test the LiveCD. | ||
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| sivang | jdub : sent the html page? | 02:28 |
| sivang | anyone of the native english speaker, how do you refer to the life saver thingy that yelp is executed by clicking on? | 02:31 |
| mdz | life preserver, or life saver | 02:32 |
| sivang | mdz : tnx :) | 02:33 |
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| sivang | i think there some bug with firefox, I just tried to save a web page locally - the gui presents the same icon for new dir and up one level | 02:41 |
| sivang | anyone seen that? | 02:41 |
| jdub | sivang: having network issues atm; if you have suggested content for it, send it over - i'll get it eventually | 02:43 |
| sivang | jdub : ok, no prob. I myself had a horroble DNS failure problem....:) | 02:43 |
| daniels | Kamion: with the acx, you need to explicitly set key off before it will associate | 03:19 |
| daniels | Kamion: you may also need to set a nickname before it will send data down (it will associate but not do data, e.g. dhcp -- bong) | 03:19 |
| bob2 | daniels: did your wireless Just Work, btw/ | 03:19 |
| bob2 | ? | 03:19 |
| daniels | bob2: the Atheros? once out of the installer, yeah | 03:22 |
| bob2 | ah, cool. | 03:22 |
| daniels | yes siree, this laptop is all about Just Working | 03:23 |
| lamont | few more minutes and I can go fetch my (hopefully good) liveCD attempt | 03:26 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 11 RC bugs to go | ||
| m_tthew | lamont: it tanked on me, unable to mount rootfs, I am getting a log for you now | 03:28 |
| lamont | thanks | 03:28 |
| lamont | I think | 03:28 |
| m_tthew | sorry to bear bad news :) | 03:29 |
| lamont | exactly | 03:29 |
| lamont | OTOH, once I have the image on the local machine, the rsync's should go faster... :-) | 03:29 |
| m_tthew | :) | 03:29 |
| lamont | hrm. no doko around | 03:38 |
| === lamont bbiab - fetching a CD. | ||
| bob2 | hm, .au isn't the canonical bandwidth ghetto anymore | 03:41 |
| daniels | heh | 03:41 |
| jdub | just canberra | 03:41 |
| bob2 | I have dsl now, foo' | 03:41 |
| daniels | yes, but all you can access is news about the Melbourne Olympics :P | 03:44 |
| m_tthew | lamont: I know this is suboptimal, but I am a fool who does not know how to get grub to talk to the serial port: | 04:15 |
| m_tthew | lamont: http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/tmp/warty-livecd-2004-10-11-lamont1.png | 04:15 |
| bob2 | daniels: that dawn fraser chick, whew! | 04:16 |
| Mithrandir | meow | 04:23 |
| sivang | jdub : apart from the web page which must be completed today, the reworking of gnome manual is dued by the 18th ? | 04:39 |
| daniels | ROCK! | 04:54 |
| bob2 | 'n' | 04:54 |
| doko | lamont: morning | 04:56 |
| daniels | can everyone please try gnome-volume-manager from http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/g-v-m/ with cameras? | 05:00 |
| daniels | it should now work with both crazy-proprietary and usb mass storage cameras | 05:00 |
| daniels | and with USB MS, it should just pop up to the right folder automatically | 05:00 |
| lamont | doko: remind me what I need to change to make gcc-3.3 build libgcc1 again? | 05:07 |
| doko | huh, why that? | 05:10 |
| lamont | bootstrapping something | 05:10 |
| lamont | from the "go back to where you first got the job" school of bootstrapping... :-) | 05:10 |
| doko | on which architecture? | 05:11 |
| lamont | m_tthew: hrm... seemed to boot OK for me... Now to see which disk its on... | 05:11 |
| lamont | heh. My login works -> booted from real root. | 05:11 |
| lamont | m_tthew: well, that's more consistant anyway. sigh. | 05:12 |
| lamont | time to track down alex | 05:13 |
| daniels | if anyone wants to test g-v-m, you'll need to killall gnome-volume-manager && gnome-volume-manager, fwiw | 05:17 |
| doko | daniels: the only mass storage device I have is a usb stick ... | 05:18 |
| m_tthew | lamont: let me know if there is anything I can do | 05:19 |
| daniels | doko: you can simulate a camera pretty easily ;) mkdir -p /media/sda1/dcim/100g-v-m, and put some jpegs in there | 05:19 |
| daniels | i'd like to get testing with both usb mass storage cameras (of which I've tested two) and non-mass-storage cameras | 05:20 |
| sivang | jdub : send to jdub AT perkypents.org | 05:23 |
| daniels | perkypents, or perkypants? :) | 05:24 |
| sivang | daniels : does it really matter ? :) | 05:25 |
| sivang | daniels : you happen to do something with Ubuntu's hdparm support? who has it anyways? | 05:26 |
| daniels | sivang: it probably matters who you mail it to, yeah ... | 05:27 |
| daniels | sivang: for laptops, Thom has the acpi-support package | 05:27 |
| lamont | doko: ia64 | 05:28 |
| lamont | m_tthew: unless you can cause alex to appear, not much. | 05:28 |
| lamont | OTOH, with the ISO here, I can rsync happier... | 05:28 |
| sivang | daniels : i am not sure what sort of problem this is, but although I have throughly drilled through hdparm and checked everything, Ubuntu on my 8200 inspiron frequnetly comes to a complete halt, performance wise. fauly hardware? | 05:28 |
| daniels | sivang: no idea, sorry | 05:29 |
| sivang | i sent to perkypants | 05:29 |
| sivang | ok) | 05:29 |
| doko | lamont: build logs anywhere? | 05:30 |
| sivang | nighters everybody | 05:30 |
| lamont | doko: well, the gcc-3.4 build I have times out in 'Running chapter c9' of the acats tests (I guess disabling the tests would be a good start...) | 05:34 |
| doko | definitely better than downgrading libgcc1. I don't know how the kernel on debian's buildd is configured, so that it doesn't time out. | 05:37 |
| lamont | debian buildd is running 2.4.25-dsa, my ia64 box is running 2.4.19... | 05:39 |
| lamont | and in sarge of jun 28. | 05:39 |
| lamont | er, sid, that is | 05:39 |
| lamont | maybe I'll just get a reasonably current kernel on my machine, eh? | 05:40 |
| doko | lamont: worth a try, however sent a patch for you | 05:46 |
| lamont | doko: cool. Rebooting now | 05:46 |
| lamont | and crossing digits, since I don't want to have to go hook up a monitor to the beast... | 05:46 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 05:54 |
| daniels | fabbione: hey dude | 05:56 |
| fabbione | hey daniels | 05:58 |
| fabbione | i feel like shit today | 06:01 |
| daniels | oh? | 06:02 |
| fabbione | i think i have a bit of fever | 06:04 |
| fabbione | or something like that | 06:04 |
| lamont | doko: at the risk of sounding stupid... I just drop that file into debian/patches? | 06:05 |
| doko | and add it to debian/rules.patch. | 06:06 |
| doko | (however the patch is untested) | 06:06 |
| lamont | right | 06:06 |
| daniels | mdz: ping | 06:11 |
| daniels | fabbione: ping | 06:11 |
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| lamont | make: *** No rule to make target `stamps/02-patch-stamp-disable-gnat-testsuite.d | 06:31 |
| lamont | hrm. clearlly missing something here.. | 06:31 |
| doko | lamont: in debian/rules.patch: debian_patches += disable-gnat-testsuite (without .dpatch) | 06:42 |
| lamont | doh | 06:44 |
| fabbione | Unpacking replacement ssh ... | 06:56 |
| fabbione | dpkg: error processing /mirrors/debian.org/pool/main/o/openssh/ssh_3.8.1p1-8.sarge.1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 06:56 |
| fabbione | trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ssh', which is also in package openssh-client | 06:56 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 06:56 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i guess that's a known problem | 06:56 |
| hornbeck | jdub: I have the file that sivang worked with, would you like me to message it | 07:04 |
| hornbeck | fix the spelling? | 07:04 |
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| === lamont will be working .au tz tomorrow, btw. | ||
| daniels | lamont: good plan | 07:12 |
| daniels | except for the fact that none of the Australians are working .au TZ ;) | 07:12 |
| jdub | i am | 07:19 |
| hornbeck | jdub: you are fixing it? | 07:20 |
| jdub | i am running on .au tz | 07:26 |
| jdub | what am i fixing? | 07:26 |
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| hornbeck | jdub: sivang sent you a file? | 07:26 |
| hornbeck | I have a currected version of it, would you like me to send it to you? | 07:27 |
| hornbeck | corrected | 07:27 |
| jdub | ok | 07:28 |
| jdub | thanks | 07:28 |
| hornbeck | what address do you want it at? | 07:28 |
| jdub | jeff.waugh@canonical.com please | 07:29 |
| hornbeck | on its way | 07:29 |
| hornbeck | night | 07:30 |
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| pitti | Morning! | 08:41 |
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| Kamion | sivang: in British English we'd call it a "lifebelt" | 09:29 |
| Kamion | daniels: ugh, BONG. shame there's no wireless-tools in the installer, eh? | 09:29 |
| Kamion | fabbione: that's a downgrade, dude => not supported | 09:30 |
| Kamion | hey, there *is* a wireless-tools-udeb, mind | 09:30 |
| Kamion | maybe I do have it after all | 09:30 |
| sivang | Kamion : Now this is a delayed response ;-) They are usually so good coming from you - not to believe I asked it before I went to sleep ..:) | 09:31 |
| Kamion | sivang: you asked it after I went to sleep, more to the point | 09:32 |
| Kamion | 01:31 < sivang> anyone of the native english speaker, how do you refer to the life saver thingy that yelp is executed by clicking on? | 09:32 |
| Kamion | 00:33 < Kamion> (upgraded #2136, will fix tomorrow, bed now) | 09:33 |
| sivang | right :-) Well, I usually turn off the machine so I don't get the pleasure of what's going on after I fall asleep. | 09:33 |
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| sivang | Kamion : too bad the home page offline version is already sent to jdub, and I don't have the sources here.. | 09:34 |
| sabdfl | morning all | 09:35 |
| sivang | morning sabdfl | 09:36 |
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| sivang | Kamion : interesting you refer to it as a "belt". In hebrew it's something like a "life saving wheel" | 09:37 |
| sivang | Kamion : hebrew is strange, however when I think of lifebelt, somehow I get the picture of something elastic , rather than firm and solid like the lifebelt | 09:38 |
| Kamion | sivang: "life preserver" will be understood | 09:40 |
| sivang | Kamion : I'll modify it - good there are USB sticks, and someone who made them work well in Ubuntu | 09:42 |
| Kamion | daniels: still can't get it to associate as far as I can tell, though :( | 09:43 |
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| daniels | Kamion: hmmm, what variant of acx100? i had to go through a couple of drivers using ndiswrapper | 09:50 |
| daniels | well, for acx111 | 09:50 |
| sabdfl | (08:48:55) mdz: tech board meeting is going to be very fast unless you have something to bring up | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | (08:49:22) mdz: "release tomorrow lots to do kthxbye" | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | (08:53:13) sabdfl: i think the schedule is actually community council meeting this week | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | (08:53:39) sabdfl: was going to invite tech board to participate and have you sign off on the release process with the cc | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | (08:53:42) sabdfl: sound ok? | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | (08:53:52) sabdfl: will have a release process drafted for the meeting | 09:55 |
| Kamion | daniels: um. how do I tell? :) | 09:55 |
| daniels | Kamion: whatever it says on the box | 09:55 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: would today's daily have the lspci update for my test ipw2200 card? | 09:55 |
| Kamion | daniels: it's a US Robotics card, not much in the way of labelling | 09:55 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: probably not, since discover1-data is in the initrd | 09:56 |
| Kamion | unless elmo's up VERY early | 09:56 |
| daniels | Kamion: ah. when you do lspci, is it acx100, or acx111? | 09:56 |
| Kamion | rebooting now to check | 09:57 |
| sivang | sabdfl : when is the CC meeting scheduled? | 09:57 |
| sabdfl | 1600 UTC | 09:57 |
| sivang | sabdfl : uhm..today ? :) | 09:59 |
| sabdfl | yes | 09:59 |
| sabdfl | every tuesday we have a tech board or cc meeting | 09:59 |
| sabdfl | unless we don't :-) | 09:59 |
| sivang | you had last tuesday? | 09:59 |
| sivang | oh :-) | 09:59 |
| sivang | and TB? | 09:59 |
| Kamion | did we have a tech board meeting last week? I think I missed it | 10:00 |
| sivang | Kamion : I revised , and resent. thanks for the english know how :) | 10:00 |
| mdz | I thought CC was last week and TB was this week | 10:00 |
| mdz | but the email is out now, so CC it is :-) | 10:01 |
| sivang | I propuse to write down dates and time on the CC wiki page, just o avoid confusion :) | 10:01 |
| Kamion | sivang: I did say "British English"; mdz is a more reliable speaker of American English than I am | 10:02 |
| Kamion | two countries separated by a common language, and all that | 10:02 |
| mdz | two countries separated by the atlantic ocean... | 10:02 |
| sivang | Kamio : yep, I now recalled he also told me about the "life preserver" | 10:03 |
| mdz | to my credit, I provided both alternatives | 10:03 |
| sivang | mdz : yes you did ;-) | 10:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: neither of which I'd use in British :) | 10:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: what do you call them? | 10:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: "lifebelt" | 10:03 |
| daniels | lifejacket | 10:03 |
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| mdz | daniels: then what do you call a life jacket? | 10:03 |
| Kamion | daniels: "Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface", 104c:8400 | 10:04 |
| Kamion | daniels: it so isn't a jacket :) | 10:04 |
| sivang | lifejacke is again, somethign elastic, extendable to fit person's size | 10:04 |
| daniels | you guys are talking about a seatbelt? | 10:04 |
| Kamion | no, an inflatable ring | 10:04 |
| daniels | oh | 10:04 |
| sivang | the wheel is stiff | 10:04 |
| mdz | not inflatable, but buoyant | 10:04 |
| daniels | you mean, an inflatable ring :) | 10:04 |
| sivang | hahah | 10:04 |
| === sivang enjoys the english insights he absorbs here | ||
| sivang | buoyant = stiff ? | 10:05 |
| daniels | buoyant = floats | 10:05 |
| sivang | oh | 10:05 |
| sivang | I don't even want to try imagine how you pronounce that | 10:05 |
| sivang | :) | 10:05 |
| daniels | boy-unt | 10:06 |
| mdz | ok, time to sleep before CC meeting, good night | 10:07 |
| sivang | sabdfl : is it late now to add stuff to the agenda? | 10:07 |
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| pitti | Morning seb128! | 10:08 |
| sabdfl | sivang: go ahead, i might move them to the next meeting or handle them today | 10:08 |
| sivang | mdz : night | 10:08 |
| pitti | mdz: good night | 10:08 |
| sivang | sabdfl : ok, tnx | 10:09 |
| daniels | Kamion: ah, acx100 ... hm, unsure. but you might need to give ndiswrapper a shot; i never had much luck with that driver. | 10:09 |
| seb128 | hello | 10:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: commented on #2284 in reply to you | 10:09 |
| sabdfl | night mdz | 10:09 |
| Kamion | daniels: ah well, ignoring then since I have no plans to make ndiswrapper work in d-i | 10:10 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: please ping me as soon as ipw2200 is testable by me | 10:10 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: OK, will be later today | 10:10 |
| daniels | Kamion: fair enough | 10:10 |
| daniels | Kamion: oh, you did do ifconfig interfacename up, right? | 10:13 |
| Kamion | daniels: I let netcfg do that | 10:15 |
| Kamion | same goes for 'ifup wlan0' outside the installer | 10:15 |
| daniels | hm | 10:20 |
| daniels | bong. | 10:20 |
| Kamion | actually, it does claim to associate | 10:24 |
| Kamion | it just doesn't DHCP | 10:24 |
| daniels | hm | 10:25 |
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| pitti | Hi mvo! Nice to see you again! | 11:17 |
| sivang | mdz : I understand that today's is final date for submission of docs and others - as tommorow is RC. And after RC there would be no more changes allowed right? (except for security patches, and act of gods) | 11:22 |
| sivang | or acts of gods :) | 11:22 |
| mvo | hi pitti. I'm back from university land :) | 11:27 |
| fabbione | Kamion: that was updating sid ;) | 11:31 |
| === fabbione still feels like shit today | ||
| sivang | fabbione : what's wrong? | 11:32 |
| fabbione | sivang: a lot of headacke and a bit of fever | 11:33 |
| Kamion | fabbione: you must have had openssh-client installed from experimental, then | 11:33 |
| fabbione | i just woke up but i am going to lay in bed soon again | 11:33 |
| Kamion | (or warty) | 11:33 |
| Kamion | fabbione: openssh-client has never been in sid | 11:33 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yes. experimental | 11:33 |
| Kamion | well then, not supported :) | 11:33 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 11:33 |
| sivang | fabbione : oh, I've known those too well by now - still not over my dizziness, the last remains of my latest virus catch. :) | 11:34 |
| Kamion | fabbione: (if you're going to use openssh-client from experimental, use ssh from experimental as well) | 11:34 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yup i did a "dist upgrade" but it didn't pull in ssh or openssh-server. | 11:35 |
| fabbione | Kamion: but later i did a mess myself.. reasonf of the informal message here ;) | 11:36 |
| fabbione | rburton: instead of opening a new bug, please reopen the old one ;) | 11:37 |
| rburton | fabbione: i tried, but couldn't find it :( i'll duplicate/reopen if you can tell me the number... | 11:37 |
| fabbione | rburton: how was to reproduce the problem? | 11:40 |
| fabbione | left alt + ? | 11:40 |
| fabbione | i can never remember these things | 11:40 |
| rburton | fabbione: windows key + arrows, i've configured metacity to use super for keyboard shortcuts | 11:41 |
| fabbione | rburton: there is also a metacity update | 11:46 |
| rburton | ah ok | 11:46 |
| fabbione | are you sure metacity didn't fry your settings? | 11:46 |
| rburton | that shouldn't have broken it | 11:46 |
| fabbione | just asking for info ;) | 11:46 |
| rburton | yeah, if it reset the settings then super would do nothing | 11:46 |
| fabbione | the SUper is the RWIN or LWIN? | 11:48 |
| rburton | both i believe, but i use left | 11:49 |
| fabbione | daniels: i saw that patch and i think we can stick it in X | 11:49 |
| rburton | hm, rwin is compose for me atm | 11:49 |
| rburton | handy, but i wasn't expecting that ;) | 11:49 |
| rburton | oh, i set it last week. | 11:49 |
| fabbione | if i push rwin it always pushes to the first desktop :-) | 11:49 |
| daniels | fabbione: cool. have you got any other pending changes, or should I just upload with this? | 11:50 |
| fabbione | daniels: there might be a regression.. 2288 | 11:50 |
| fabbione | daniels: if you want to take care of it before uploading | 11:51 |
| Kamion | bugger, I need to change rootskel | 11:51 |
| rburton | fabbione: my /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/switch_to_workspace_down (etc) gconf keys are "<Mod4>Down" etc | 11:51 |
| daniels | fabbione: ok | 11:52 |
| fabbione | daniels, rburton: hold on | 11:53 |
| Kamion | review of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=436 please? | 11:56 |
| Kamion | (works for me in tests) | 11:56 |
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| thom | morning | 12:01 |
| fabbione | rburton: which layout do you use? | 12:01 |
| rburton | fabbione: gb | 12:02 |
| fabbione | daniels: i leave it up to.. i add Denis in CC, but i am off.. too much headacke | 12:02 |
| daniels | ok | 12:03 |
| fabbione | rburton: try to check the changelog and see if there is anything that can tickle your brain | 12:03 |
| daniels | morning | 12:03 |
| fabbione | rburton: as root of the regression | 12:03 |
| rburton | k | 12:03 |
| fabbione | later.. or tomorrow guys | 12:03 |
| fabbione | sorry but i am not too useful today | 12:03 |
| sivang | laterz fabbione, get well soon! | 12:04 |
| thom | take care mate | 12:04 |
| rburton | i can't see anything obvious, unless the port from trunk had extra changes | 12:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: hope it all sorts itself out soon | 12:07 |
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| sabdfl | Kamion: think we can build canidates for RC1 today? then get feedback so MDZ and Tech Board can sign off on it this evening? | 12:16 |
| sabdfl | mirror tonight, then announce tomorrow am? | 12:16 |
| daniels | Kamion: so how long do I have to upload XFree86? :) | 12:19 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: it's going to be waiting on a d-i initrd rebuild, and I haven't got approval for the rootskel change that predates it yet, so I still don't know | 12:19 |
| Kamion | daniels: ASAP please, dunno exactly | 12:19 |
| daniels | Kamion: yeah, I'll hopefully clear it in the next 30min | 12:19 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: I really needed to know about this plan yesterday | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | rootskel? /etc/default/skel? | 12:20 |
| Kamion | no, rootskel, equivalent of base-files for d-i | 12:20 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: plan isn't set, tell me what you want | 12:20 |
| sabdfl | i'm drafting a plan right now, thumbsucking for bits of it, open to your guidance | 12:20 |
| Kamion | I was expecting to have tomorrow's daily be RC1 and to have a round of testing tomorrow morning before release | 12:20 |
| Kamion | I'll need to have lamont kick off a manual d-i rebuild today before that though | 12:21 |
| Kamion | or maybe just upload debian-installer again, since I'll probably need to update disk space estimates again | 12:22 |
| Kamion | there's also #1232 with a load of d-i translation updates pending | 12:22 |
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| rburton | is there an archive of old packages available? i need metacity from last week | 12:28 |
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| seb128 | grrr, my connection went down for 2 hours again | 12:44 |
| mjg59 | The logo on bugzilla still has nasty compression artifacts | 12:45 |
| rburton | ewwww | 12:46 |
| rburton | nearly as bad as the default XP wallpaper | 12:46 |
| elmo_ | who did the last linux-source upload? | 12:47 |
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| mjg59 | Oh, are we supporting NTFS resizing? | 12:48 |
| pitti | seb128: welcome back :-) | 12:48 |
| pitti | seb128: need IP tunneling over letter doves? | 12:48 |
| seb128 | need a good isp | 12:51 |
| thom | elmo_: herbert did | 12:52 |
| elmo_ | thom: duh, i wanted someone I could harass on IRC :p | 12:53 |
| thom | heh | 12:53 |
| thom | blame Mithrandir | 12:53 |
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| Kamion | elmo_: oh, I meant to harass mdz about that last night | 01:00 |
| Kamion | mjg59: not in the installer, yet | 01:01 |
| Kamion | mjg59: it's in Debian but it was a very late change for us and too scary | 01:01 |
| mjg59 | But resizable FAT? | 01:02 |
| Kamion | uh, if parted can do it? | 01:02 |
| Kamion | I haven't checked, I must confess | 01:02 |
| mjg59 | Parted can do it, yeah | 01:04 |
| Kamion | should Just Work then | 01:04 |
| === Kamion is still looking for review of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=436 for upload | ||
| daniels | Kamion: looks good to me | 01:16 |
| Kamion | thanks | 01:18 |
| Kamion | (powerpc is not mentioned in that patch because get_arch_kernel always returns a kernel on the CD there) | 01:19 |
| thom | can someone review http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/thunderbird-dexul.diff please | 01:22 |
| thom | fix for https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1933 | 01:22 |
| daniels | thom: i can't see any obvious problems, but don't know enough about it (don't even use it) to properly review, sorry | 01:25 |
| Kamion | bit of a scary lack of quoting? | 01:25 |
| Kamion | (i.e. find "$PATHLIST") | 01:25 |
| Kamion | I'd be inclined to use find -print0 | xargs -0 too but that's maybe just me | 01:25 |
| Kamion | still, it looks functionally correct to me | 01:27 |
| pitti | thom: I don't understand this: -e 's,Path=/,/,' -e "s,Path=,$HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird/," | 01:27 |
| pitti | thom: first you remove 'Path=', then you substitute it with sth? | 01:27 |
| Kamion | might be worth trying out that sed on something that contains no Path= lines at all to make sure it doesn't fall over | 01:27 |
| thom | Kamion: it's been in firefox's script since forever | 01:28 |
| thom | i'm just transplanting to thunderbird | 01:28 |
| Kamion | mmmkay | 01:28 |
| pitti | thom: is "s,Path=,$HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird/," ever applied? | 01:29 |
| thom | pitti: yes, because in most case the path is relative, not absolute | 01:29 |
| thom | ie, Path=ey9ogb7w.default | 01:29 |
| pitti | thom: ah, now I understand. This shall filter out absolute paths and only use relative ones. | 01:30 |
| thom | the first expression deals with the Path=/home/thom/.mozilla-thunderbird/... | 01:30 |
| thom | yeah | 01:30 |
| Kamion | pitti: well, it uses both | 01:30 |
| daniels | Extracting source xfree86-4.3.0.tar.gz ... | 01:30 |
| daniels | zcat: xfree86-4.3.0.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error | 01:30 |
| daniels | zcat: xfree86-4.3.0.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--length error | 01:30 |
| daniels | failed! | 01:30 |
| daniels | #@$@#$ | 01:30 |
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| pitti | thom: now I've got it. Takes a while... | 01:32 |
| pitti | thom: can you please use -print0 for find and -0 for xargs? | 01:33 |
| pitti | thom: it's pathetic, I know, but it's not much effort to do it absolutely safe | 01:33 |
| thom | (sorry, typing break) | 01:36 |
| thom | yeah, will do | 01:36 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 10 RC bugs to go | ||
| daniels | over half a year on, the fact that all the X macros to do with extensions make the data pointer named 'stuff' still unnerves me | 01:37 |
| daniels | the entirety of Xext and other various server-side things to do with extensions deal entirely with pointers named 'stuff' | 01:39 |
| daniels | that was what I called the directory full of games and MP3s in year 7 so no-one would find it | 01:39 |
| Kamion | MP3s *existed* in your year 7? | 01:40 |
| === Kamion feels old | ||
| daniels | yeah, and I was using IRC to trade them :) | 01:40 |
| daniels | h4x0r3d mIRC into there, got on Undernet channels and then set up our own channel in which we all traded MP3s amongst ourselves on the local LAN | 01:41 |
| daniels | it was quite the sophisticated operation | 01:41 |
| daniels | wrecked only when the admins started wondering why the size of the year 7 home directories had exploded in the last month | 01:41 |
| thom | man, so many of these fricking mozilla-* bugs are broken profiles | 01:41 |
| thom | jdub_: can i upload 2280; i've done exactly what seb told me to do ;-) | 01:43 |
| seb128 | thom: have tyou tested the package to be sure ? Just right click on a html file in nautilus and see if firefox is here | 01:44 |
| thom | seb128: yeah | 01:45 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 01:47 |
| pitti | daniels: will you upload #1292 today? | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Is it worth thinking about making swcursor the default? | 01:51 |
| daniels | pitti: yeah | 01:58 |
| daniels | pitti: about to do it now | 01:58 |
| daniels | mjg59: are there really that many issues? | 01:58 |
| pitti | daniels: fine, because I also have to do a g-v-m upload | 01:59 |
| daniels | pitti: ah | 01:59 |
| seb128 | hum, time to lunch, bbl | 02:03 |
| mjg59 | daniels: I've seen several. Don't we end up using software cursors for the translucency anyway? | 02:03 |
| Kamion | can somebody eyeball http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/cdrom-checker.diff for me? | 02:04 |
| daniels | hm | 02:04 |
| Kamion | without it, cdrom-checker only works in expert mode | 02:04 |
| daniels | i think there are a couple of problems with swcursor, also | 02:04 |
| Kamion | unfortunately I only noticed today :-/ | 02:04 |
| daniels | i'm not really happy with doing it this late in the game, also | 02:04 |
| Kamion | cdrom-checker isn't on the default installation path so I think raising the priorities must be safe | 02:05 |
| daniels | personally, I think the best thing to do is do like savage, where we just blacklist specific cards unless either sw or hw is specified | 02:05 |
| pitti | daniels: if you have a minute, can you please take a look at the proposed patch in #2169? | 02:07 |
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| thom | Kamion: oh, hey. os-prober doesn't seem to find my XP install, but only on the amd64 installer, not the x86 one | 02:07 |
| Kamion | thom: ur. forgot to make some amd64->i386 symlinks, I think | 02:09 |
| daniels | pitti: bong. unreproducible. | 02:09 |
| Kamion | bollocks, ok, will look today | 02:09 |
| daniels | (waits for the component selector to load) | 02:09 |
| daniels | pitti: looks goo dto me; if it works, i'd say upload | 02:10 |
| pitti | daniels: unreproducible? Odd | 02:10 |
| pitti | daniels: I get windows for all mounted volumes as soon as I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart | 02:10 |
| daniels | yeah, I was looking at the title at the time | 02:11 |
| pitti | daniels: BTW, we have to coordinate this; both you and me want to upload ubuntu4 :-) | 02:11 |
| daniels | once I read it fully, it was OK :) i thought it was to do with hotplugging, not restarting hal | 02:11 |
| daniels | pitti: you asked me to upload g-v-m (sort of implicitly), so I already did :) | 02:12 |
| pitti | daniels: okay, then I will change the changelog to ubuntu5 and wait for your version | 02:12 |
| daniels | pitti: the accepted message has already gone to warty-changes | 02:12 |
| pitti | jdub_: still here? If so, can you please approve #2169? daniels reviewed it, I tested it extensively | 02:12 |
| pitti | daniels: oh, didn't read my mail in the last 10 minutes :-) | 02:13 |
| daniels | pittheh | 02:14 |
| lamont | Kamion: I can do the manual run, but it'll add that pesky extra digit to the date... | 02:14 |
| Kamion | lamont: let's not worry for now, I have some other changes anyway | 02:15 |
| thom | hrm, compiling firefox , thunderbird and apache2 all at once does bad things to machine usability | 02:15 |
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| lamont | Kamion: cool. I'll be out for the next several hours, back about 2200 GMT or so. | 02:15 |
| lamont | there is a remote chance that I can get online, but I rather doubt it. | 02:16 |
| T-Bone | ladude! | 02:16 |
| lamont | morning t-bone | 02:20 |
| === lamont kicks his i2000 | ||
| T-Bone | lol | 02:20 |
| T-Bone | hey lamont ;) | 02:20 |
| lamont | time to haul it outside and take an airhose to it. :-( | 02:20 |
| lamont | I don't think I get to do any builds on it this morning, and I need to leave shortly | 02:21 |
| T-Bone | lamont: haven't got much time to check what went wrong with those packages lately either, alas | 02:21 |
| lamont | it made it about 90 minutes into the gcc-3.4 build for me last night before the machine died. | 02:22 |
| lamont | I think it may be time to sync everything from the i2000 to the zx2000 :-) | 02:22 |
| T-Bone | hehe | 02:22 |
| T-Bone | fortunately i hadn't had such troubles with my gcc build, once i tweaked a bit. But the fact is that some core packages are screwed with that dir.gz file | 02:23 |
| lamont | yeah - no clue why that was there... | 02:23 |
| lamont | --force-overwrite?? | 02:23 |
| lamont | or something like that... | 02:23 |
| T-Bone | lamont: yeah, i can do that, but i'm afraid that it will be there again during stage 2 | 02:24 |
| lamont | yeah | 02:24 |
| T-Bone | iirc, hppa didn't show that. | 02:24 |
| lamont | cool | 02:24 |
| T-Bone | (though i couldn't build gcc-3.4 on hppa :( ) | 02:24 |
| lamont | that reminds me... I need to find a friendly person at ftc to send my dead A500 to ggg | 02:24 |
| T-Bone | heh | 02:24 |
| lamont | or throw it in the car next month. :-) | 02:24 |
| T-Bone | =) | 02:25 |
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| lamont | :-) | 02:28 |
| T-Bone | :) | 02:28 |
| thom | heh | 02:32 |
| === thom pokes lamont about pa-risc, kit | ||
| lamont | kit? | 02:32 |
| thom | uh, no idea where that comment came from | 02:32 |
| thom | feh | 02:32 |
| thom | s/comment/comma/ | 02:32 |
| thom | yeah. the much mentioned pa risc box :-) | 02:33 |
| lamont | oh. that. | 02:33 |
| === lamont goes to change the topic... | ||
| lamont | [Topic] + | Airlift of parisc box needed in London - see lamont | 02:34 |
| lamont | :-) | 02:34 |
| thom | heh | 02:35 |
| lamont | of course, I won't be around to see what discussion that stirrs up.. | 02:35 |
| lamont | anyway, I'm off for several hours. | 02:37 |
| T-Bone | lamont: see ya later or tomorrow then | 02:37 |
| carlos | What's the multiverse archive? | 02:51 |
| pitti | carlos: equivalent no Debian's non-free | 02:58 |
| pitti | carlos: unsupported Non-DFSG | 02:58 |
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| Keybuk | Bug#268886: dpkg: Problem with dutch translation, south-african text appears in it | 03:06 |
| Keybuk | heh | 03:07 |
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| amu | ..ooOOO oh my god, 211 users at #ubuntu | 03:27 |
| thom | my gosh, how can anyone get anything useful done with gui mail clients? | 03:41 |
| Kamion | sloooooowly | 03:42 |
| Kamion | -"Language-Team: <debian-l10n-greek@lists.debian.org>\n" | 03:42 |
| Kamion | +"Language-Team: Greece\n" | 03:42 |
| Kamion | what sort of an entry is that? | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | an Olympic one? | 03:43 |
| Kamion | and the Greek translator is gratuitously changing translations whose msgid hasn't changed, just so that they'll be more work for me to merge later, as far as I can tell | 03:43 |
| === Kamion sighs and uploads anyway, it being more work to take the patch apart and reduce it to the minimal subset | ||
| Keybuk | heh, I just generally used to ask translators to provide entire .po files, or nothing | 03:46 |
| Keybuk | resolving 3-way diffs when you don't know the language ... is interesting | 03:46 |
| Kamion | doko has assembled the tarballs provided by the translations into patches | 03:46 |
| Kamion | I'm just applying them | 03:46 |
| Kamion | (but yes, I know what you mean, and that's precisely the pain that's going to arrive in force come the Hoary merge) | 03:47 |
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| Keybuk | tell me about it | 03:48 |
| thom | hoary is gonna be no fun for a while i think :/ | 03:48 |
| Kamion | you misspelled "total nightmare of death" | 03:48 |
| === Kamion sends a note to #1232 to forestall further pain | ||
| thom | i vote we blame keybuk | 03:49 |
| Keybuk | are you using msgmerge to merge the .po files? | 03:49 |
| Kamion | me? I'm using patch right now | 03:49 |
| Kamion | in general, I'm doing whatever debconf-updatepo does, which involves intltool-debian not gettext as far as I know | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | *nods* there's intltool-merge which should do *something* useful | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | though I don't think (usefully) that can do po files to po files | 03:51 |
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| === Keybuk has been playing with some "merge the fuckers" recipies | ||
| daniels | Keybuk: finish hct, yesterday | 03:52 |
| Kamion | big chunks of d-i are about to become real good tests for you | 03:52 |
| Keybuk | daniels: am working as fast as I can :) | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: once d-i is on arch.ubuntu.com, we can have a play with that | 03:53 |
| daniels | are the london buses really called 'root master'?? | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | daniels: the ones with the spiral stairs at the back are called "Routemaster" | 03:53 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: lifeless has had all the details for a while now | 03:54 |
| daniels | oh man | 03:54 |
| daniels | that is too funny | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | every other time I go to London, they've either been put back on the roads due to amazing public opinion | 03:54 |
| lifeless | its high on my todo, but we've had some trouble :[ | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | and the next time all withdrawn again because they're unsafe and impossible for the disabled to use | 03:54 |
| rburton | they should all die | 03:54 |
| daniels | i like the hop-on, hop-off idea | 03:54 |
| daniels | i also like the fact that they're called 'root master' | 03:55 |
| rburton | "route"! | 03:55 |
| daniels | rburton: dude, if the London bus chief dude wanted to say 'route', he would've said 'route' | 03:55 |
| rburton | slam-door trains should also die a slow and painful death | 03:55 |
| daniels | but he was quite clearly saying 'root' :) | 03:55 |
| rburton | daniels: you, sir, can't speak | 03:55 |
| Kamion | "????????? IP = $[ipaddress}\n" | 03:55 |
| Kamion | "M???? ??????? = ${netmask}\n" | 03:55 |
| Kamion | "???? ??????? = ${gateway}\n" | 03:55 |
| Kamion | -"Point-to-Point = {pointtopoint}\n" | 03:55 |
| Kamion | +"Point-to-Point = ${pointtopoint}\n" | 03:55 |
| Kamion | geez, either fix it all or don't fix any of it | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | rburton: what's wrong with slam-doors ?! | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | they hardly *ever* break down, unlike the new things that replaced them | 03:58 |
| rburton | HAHAHA | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | they have ample leg and seat room, unlike the new things that replaced them | 03:58 |
| thom | Keybuk: you funny | 03:58 |
| rburton | you clearly don't use them often | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | and, more importantly, you can't door-surf on the new trains | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | rburton: used to every day | 03:59 |
| rburton | Keybuk: the new new ones are really nice, but only a few routes in the south east have them | 03:59 |
| daniels | ... door-surf? | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | daniels: "slam-door" trains just have ordinary doors | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | with no locks | 03:59 |
| rburton | as long as you have really bendy arms | 04:00 |
| rburton | Keybuk: they are often very cold in winter though | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | the deterrant to stop you opening them at full-speed is that you have to stick your hand out of the window to open them (the handle is on the outside) | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | but you can have fun | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | as you come into a station, open the door, and swing out on it | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | so the door's at 90 to the train, and you ride on the door | 04:00 |
| rburton | Keybuk: for fun, some trains have catches on the inside | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | it's also fun if people aren't "standing behind the yellow line" | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | because they get a door in their face | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | :p | 04:01 |
| rburton | s/face/body/ | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | rburton: yeah, the Waterloo line ones did, didn't they? | 04:01 |
| daniels | Keybuk: haha | 04:01 |
| rburton | Keybuk: i'd say half of the trains from london bridge have inside handles | 04:01 |
| daniels | your trains are so very quaint | 04:02 |
| === Keybuk likes slam door trains | ||
| daniels | have you considered a real PT system some day? :) | 04:02 |
| rburton | daniels: slam door trains are a relic, and being replaced | 04:02 |
| Keybuk | interestingly, did you know that no model railway company makes them in OO guage? | 04:02 |
| daniels | rburton: that's a start ... | 04:02 |
| Keybuk | rburton: we still need a real PT system though | 04:03 |
| rburton | bah | 04:03 |
| daniels | pitti: please see the new comments on #1292 | 04:03 |
| daniels | any PT system that includes something called a 'rootmaster' is alright by me, though :) | 04:04 |
| === Keybuk roots daniels | ||
| Kamion | $ filterdiff -i \*/partman-md-\* lang-updates1.diff | patch -p7 -d ~/src/ubuntu/partman-md/partman-md-11ubuntu1 | 04:05 |
| Kamion | how did people ever get by without patchutils? | 04:05 |
| pitti | daniels: odd, this works fine for me without any reconfiguration | 04:05 |
| daniels | Keybuk: i'm so finding a new roommate for Spain | 04:05 |
| daniels | pitti: i think his problem is that he's missing the %h | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | lol | 04:06 |
| thom | Kamion: how did we leave it out of main for so long? | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: ediff, man! | 04:06 |
| Kamion | that would imply the Dark Side | 04:06 |
| pitti | daniels: probably. maybe the wrapper script should check that $1 is nonempty | 04:06 |
| Kamion | not to mention not using a shell | 04:06 |
| daniels | pitti: yeah, don't think it's hugely important for warty, though | 04:06 |
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| Kamion | help with #1971 appreciated ... | 04:39 |
| daniels | Kamion: i'd want dmesg | 04:46 |
| Kamion | daniels: so would I, but it's kinda hard without a keyboard | 04:47 |
| daniels | yeah | 04:49 |
| daniels | without more info, it's really hard | 04:49 |
| sabdfl | elmo: could you thom me the private key for 01.pem please? | 04:55 |
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| === thom sulks | ||
| T-Gone | bbi2h | 04:55 |
| thom | verbing that is totally unfair :-) | 04:55 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 04:55 |
| daniels | i think we should verb that for any accidental disclosure of any form | 04:56 |
| sabdfl | *legend*ary | 04:56 |
| daniels | as in, 'whoops, I just thommed that to #ubuntu' | 04:56 |
| sabdfl | guys, i'm very excited for this release! | 04:57 |
| daniels | i'm excited about the release process | 04:58 |
| daniels | the longer we stay in it, the longer we get to avoid syncing hoary :) | 04:58 |
| thom | daniels: you're just not used to having a release process, kde boy | 04:58 |
| daniels | i wonder how much bandwidth we'll burn through, given the phenomenonal interest with the preivew | 04:59 |
| sabdfl | i think we should delay syncing hoary, take a break and set hoary feature goals and priorities, then come back to the packaging | 05:00 |
| sabdfl | hopefully with some tools to make it a bit easier | 05:00 |
| daniels | my biggest fear is that we come back to some painful upstream version drift, so it's not just reapplying patches | 05:00 |
| Kamion | I'm worried about spending too long *without* syncing hoary, personally | 05:01 |
| daniels | but I don't think GNOME will be a problem ;) and it looks like that would be the biggest pain | 05:01 |
| Kamion | I think we need to get started on that ASAP | 05:01 |
| Kamion | certainly we'll be spending a while on support ... | 05:02 |
| daniels | we already have the most up-to-date GNOME, and once we get X out of the way ... my god, there are two massive sync nightmares gone | 05:03 |
| Kamion | d-i | 05:03 |
| daniels | yeah, that looks painful | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | hmm... new kernel gives a weird menu.lst: | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686.dpkg-tmp | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | root (hd0,0) | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686.dpkg-tmp root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | savedefault | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | boot | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | ? | 05:03 |
| Kamion | update-grub called at wrong time? dunno ... | 05:04 |
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| === daniels stares at The Age -- 'Inside were a bodyboard and the plastic bag of cannabis, which measured about one metre by acme and was packaged in a vacuum-sealed Space bag.' | ||
| elmo | yeah, I saw that at the DC, it seems to run update-grub twice - once when the .dpkg-tmp file is still there | 05:06 |
| daniels | that's not mertic :) | 05:06 |
| daniels | metric, either | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | elmo: yes, it passes. interesting | 05:07 |
| daniels | seb128: ping -- please see #1292 wrt changing preferences | 05:08 |
| seb128 | pong, ok | 05:08 |
| daniels | thanks dude | 05:09 |
| === daniels -> bed | ||
| seb128 | 'night daniels | 05:10 |
| thom | night dude | 05:11 |
| daniels | spam with a subject of ' %Please *contact m+e' | 05:14 |
| daniels | it's like running ls in an arch dir :P | 05:14 |
| daniels | sorry, 2534 Oct 12 Mary Jessi ( 0) % Pls ^contact *me+ | 05:15 |
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| pitti | Yeah, my network is back | 05:21 |
| Kamion | fabbione: have fun with #2299 :-/ | 05:23 |
| Kamion | thom: mozilla-firefox-locale-{es,gl} are uninstallable, if you hadn't noticed | 05:28 |
| thom | Kamion: yeah | 05:29 |
| === Kamion desperately attempts to keep up with Herbert's kernel builds | ||
| elmo | hmm, anyone know a good way to get the URLs of a given website? like determine the site-map from the outside | 05:36 |
| Kamion | google? | 05:37 |
| elmo | eh? google? | 05:37 |
| Kamion | google some-common-term site:whatever | 05:37 |
| Kamion | it's about the best you're going to do in general, I'd imagine | 05:38 |
| elmo | oh, I was more thinking wget -r or linkchecker or something - but I guess google'd work | 05:38 |
| Kamion | does the site publish directory listings? | 05:39 |
| Kamion | I suppose you could run a spider over it if it's fully linked | 05:39 |
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| Kamion | sorry, I'm probably thinking in slightly too general terms | 05:40 |
| seb128 | elmo: apparently jbailey has uploaded ximian-connector 2.0 in debian several time but not trace of the upload ... any idea of what's happening ? | 05:42 |
| === Kamion doesn't see any trace of it on newraff ... | ||
| elmo | seb128: what kamion said - it's not in any of katie's log files | 05:44 |
| seb128 | weird | 05:44 |
| seb128 | <jbailey> Yes, same as I upload my other packages. | 05:45 |
| seb128 | <jbailey> No idea why this one hasn't worked despite being uploaded twice. | 05:45 |
| elmo | Oct 8 14:46:44 ximian-connector_2.0.1-1_i386.changes isn't signed with PGP/GnuPG | 05:45 |
| elmo | Oct 8 14:46:44 Removing ximian-connector_2.0.1-1_i386.changes, but keeping its associated files for now. | 05:45 |
| seb128 | oh, Jeff probably got the mails | 05:45 |
| seb128 | the uploader get nothing in this case ... | 05:45 |
| seb128 | s/Jeff/jdub/ | 05:46 |
| seb128 | elmo: thanks | 05:46 |
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| sabdfl | ANNOUNCEMENT: Community Council meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes | 05:58 |
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| mdz | pitti: are you here? | 06:33 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 06:33 |
| mdz | pitti: could you look at #957? | 06:33 |
| pitti | mdz: sure | 06:33 |
| mdz | pitti: I'm sure there's a simple fix once the right code is located, and it'd be very nice to get rid of that dialog for the RC | 06:33 |
| pitti | mdz: I will look after this | 06:34 |
| pitti | mdz: by now we just disable the dialog, not the cause, right? | 06:35 |
| mdz | pitti: correct, just stop displaying it | 06:35 |
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| mdz | pitti: thanks | 06:35 |
| mdz | pitti: hopefully you can reproduce it; it doesn't happen on my desktop | 06:35 |
| pitti | mdz: I can, it happens every time on my iBook | 06:35 |
| carlos | thom: http://nave.hispalinux.es/productos/firefox/1.0/descargas/firefox-1.0-es-ES.xpi | 06:36 |
| thom | dude, 0.9 | 06:36 |
| carlos | thom: is it what you need? | 06:36 |
| thom | but ok | 06:36 |
| thom | i can dig on that | 06:36 |
| thom | carlos: thanks | 06:37 |
| carlos | thom: seems like there isn't a 0.9 release | 06:37 |
| thom | yeah, that's exactly the problem :( | 06:38 |
| thom | 1.0 is too different | 06:38 |
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| carlos | thom: I think there was an es-AR translation for 0.9, but I don't know the quality of it, but it's better than nothing... | 06:40 |
| pitti | seb128, mdz: I have a fix and patched package for #957 ready, it is building | 07:03 |
| pitti | seb128: Hi, welcome back | 07:04 |
| pitti | seb128: mdz asked me to fix #957, since it is kind of urgent and you were absent | 07:04 |
| === thom tests current netboot | ||
| seb128 | pitti: was testing the news GNOME 2.8.1 packages, so restarting my GNOME and since I use xchat ... | 07:06 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks for working on this one, I've not real idea of what /dev/pmu is and not box to test | 07:07 |
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| pitti | seb128: oh, no problem. I've got a powerpc and /dev/pmu is the analogon to apm on i386 | 07:07 |
| carlos | seb128: think on it like some kind of /dev/apm (not exactly, but you get the idea...) | 07:07 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 07:08 |
| pitti | seb128: right now I don't fix the cause, I just suppress the dialog | 07:08 |
| pitti | seb128: but for Hoary I can work on it as well | 07:09 |
| pitti | seb128: to find the right solution :-) | 07:09 |
| elmo | Kamion: am i giving this 19 image any special symlink name? ('rc' ? | 07:12 |
| Kamion | 19 image? | 07:12 |
| elmo | the d-i upload you just did | 07:12 |
| thom | pitti: we know the right solution - make gnome use libpbbuttonsd | 07:12 |
| Kamion | oh, that; yes, rc | 07:13 |
| Kamion | um, maybe wait until it definitely works though :) | 07:13 |
| thom | pitti: but that's a big chunky change | 07:13 |
| pitti | thom: I meant a "little better" solution | 07:13 |
| elmo | can I trash preview and older images yet, or now? | 07:13 |
| pitti | thom: I only glanced at the code (I just wanted to get rid of the dialog), but it seemed to me that there is some odd logic | 07:14 |
| Kamion | elmo: 15 and 16 can go, best keep the preview for now | 07:14 |
| elmo | k | 07:14 |
| thom | pitti: i can well believe that | 07:14 |
| pitti | thom: anyway, Hoary stuff. Let's get this out of the door with as little patching as possible | 07:14 |
| thom | fuck yes. | 07:14 |
| carlos | pitti: I was thinking on a patch to use DBUS instead of polling with pbbuttons | 07:14 |
| pitti | carlos: sounds much saner :-) | 07:15 |
| elmo | the amount of changes today has been insane(ly scarey) | 07:15 |
| pitti | carlos: either way, the user space stuff must not touch /dev/pmu any more in Hoary | 07:15 |
| pitti | yeah, package build finished | 07:15 |
| thom | that means turning off pbbuttonsd and moving all the acpi/power management stuff to a dbus service | 07:15 |
| carlos | thom: ? | 07:16 |
| thom | which'd be cool, but a but a metric assload of work :-) | 07:16 |
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| thom | carlos: if you want to talk to pmu, you can't concurrently access it. it's not safe | 07:16 |
| carlos | thom: that step it's too big to be done in 6 months | 07:16 |
| carlos | thom: pbbuttonsd have a library to communicate from a normal user application with the daemon | 07:17 |
| carlos | thom: I was talking about improve it with dbus | 07:17 |
| thom | *rolls eyes* dbus isn't magic pixie dust | 07:18 |
| carlos | thom: the right thing, IMHO could be to have a power management service like you said that works on any architecture, instead of pmud/pbbuttonsd, apmd/acpid | 07:18 |
| carlos | but that's not possible in 6 months (without a dedicated work on it) | 07:18 |
| Kamion | it's also not an Ubuntu-go-it-ALONE thing | 07:18 |
| thom | right. so why waste time working on pbbuttonsd? make gnome work properly via pbbuttonsd, then when we have common infrastructure we can make gnome use that | 07:19 |
| thom | Kamion: agree 100% | 07:19 |
| carlos | thom: it's another option | 07:20 |
| pitti | mdz: can you please approve the patch in #957? Builds and works correctly | 07:20 |
| carlos | Kamion: I was not suggesting to do it only for ubuntu | 07:20 |
| thom | which is more work and a, imo, a pointless fork in the road for something we're going to ditch when we have the correct infrastructure | 07:21 |
| Kamion | pitti: I'd comment out the char *msg; too to avoid compilation warnings | 07:22 |
| carlos | thom: well, if the dbus patch is done, it could be sent to pbbuttonsd :-) | 07:22 |
| carlos | btw, don't worry about it now, it's a hoary thing so we should not care until next week :-) | 07:22 |
| pitti | Kamion: oh, right | 07:22 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: don't you want to call the image "install-i386.iso"? I thought we'd agreed that earlier | 07:23 |
| sabdfl | yes | 07:24 |
| sabdfl | maybe warty-install-i386.iso | 07:24 |
| sabdfl | matching warty-livecd-i386.iso | 07:24 |
| thom | i think we should have warty in the name, yeah | 07:24 |
| Kamion | warty-live-i386.iso | 07:24 |
| Kamion | OK | 07:24 |
| === Kamion hacks publish-daily | ||
| thom | bah | 07:26 |
| thom | i keep seeing posts on the 1.0PR crasher upstream report and getting excited, and it's only people adding themselves to the cc | 07:27 |
| thom | WHY does bugzilla feel I care about this? | 07:27 |
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| sivang | is | 07:28 |
| justdave | seb128: you have upstream | 07:28 |
| sivang | *.ubuntu.com down again? | 07:28 |
| Kamion | sivang: works for me. | 07:28 |
| amU | people are confused if theres only a name you should add also a number ;) image there are 5 different iso for downloading, a new user dont know which he must take ... he knows 2 is smaller than 1 | 07:28 |
| seb128 | justdave: thanks :) | 07:28 |
| thom | sivang: um, no. | 07:28 |
| mdz | pitti: go ahead | 07:30 |
| Kamion | amU: don't understand? | 07:30 |
| pitti | mdz: okay. I additionally commented out the char* declaration to avoid compiler errors | 07:30 |
| mdz | pitti: s/errors/warnings/ ? | 07:30 |
| pitti | mdz: not errors, warnings | 07:30 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, sorry | 07:30 |
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| amU | Kamion: ;) ask your mother: warty-install-i386.iso woody-install-i386.iso sarge-install-i386.iso, which of the 3 isos is newer. ask again, 1.iso 2.iso 3.iso .... which of the 3 isos is newer | 07:33 |
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| Kamion | er, those three are not sanely comparable | 07:33 |
| Kamion | the place for documentation is on the web site | 07:33 |
| elmo | err, are these mozilla-locale's going on the CD? | 07:37 |
| amU | Kamion: well, a small trick with versioning and all questions are answered, sure you can tell to them click there and later to there, dont forget 95% of the users are beginners, those other 5% follow your link | 07:37 |
| Kamion | amU: we already have /releases/4.10/preview/ etc. | 07:37 |
| mdz | elmo: not unless someone added them to shipseed while I wasn't looking | 07:40 |
| elmo | ok, cool | 07:41 |
| amU | Kamion: than you should write also additionally the version. ( on the web ) | 07:41 |
| Kamion | amU: this is not number one on our list of concerns just now :) | 07:41 |
| Kamion | amU: I believe, however, that the version number is already on the web | 07:42 |
| amU | Kamion: right it is, guess i missunderstand y | 07:42 |
| elmo | so, if we want to do the additional machine things - how do we want to do this - round robin DNS cdimage, change cdimage DNS, or just as a special one off website we point people to in the announcement? | 07:45 |
| Kamion | seb128: did you notice the evolution-data-server build failure? | 07:46 |
| seb128 | on which arch ? | 07:47 |
| Kamion | amd64 | 07:47 |
| seb128 | no, thanks | 07:47 |
| seb128 | looking | 07:47 |
| seb128 | hum | 07:47 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: here ? | 07:48 |
| mdz | elmo: so about #2211... | 07:50 |
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| mdz | fabbione: is #2288 better than the bugs which were fixed by those xkb changes? | 07:54 |
| sivang | something broke with epiphany install, | 07:57 |
| sivang | it doesn't show up in the menu panel | 07:57 |
| sivang | and can't be xecuted. | 07:57 |
| Kamion | mdz: #1290> what fix? :) | 08:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: the syslinux timeout has been like that since long before Ubuntu ever existed; that's what I don't understand about that bug | 08:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: really? | 08:05 |
| Kamion | - set the syslinux timeout to 0 on floppys, to match the CD | 08:06 |
| Kamion | -- Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:46:31 -0500 | 08:06 |
| mdz | Kamion: reopened | 08:06 |
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| Kamion | seb128: when will the last GNOME 2.8.1 tarballs show up? | 08:08 |
| seb128 | no idea | 08:08 |
| mdz | seb128: if they're going in, we need them _now_ | 08:08 |
| seb128 | should be today if they respect the schedule | 08:08 |
| Kamion | I'm wondering about this with respect to CD build schedules | 08:08 |
| Kamion | the release-candidate-candidate CD build is currently scheduled for 2200 UTC today | 08:09 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:09 |
| mdz | Keybuk and I were just chatting about this very subject | 08:09 |
| mdz | I did not realize that we were intending to drop in new GNOME upstream tarballs just hours before the release | 08:09 |
| mdz | that strikes me as somewhat loopy | 08:09 |
| seb128 | 2.8.1 is due tomorrow | 08:10 |
| seb128 | same situation as for 2.8.0 last month | 08:10 |
| Kamion | sounds like an argument for final on the 20th to me :) | 08:10 |
| mdz | I don't think that's acceptable even for a release candidate | 08:10 |
| seb128 | 2.8.1 is a bug fixes release | 08:11 |
| seb128 | changes are very minimal | 08:11 |
| mdz | yes, but even bug fix releases need to be tested | 08:11 |
| mdz | and tested on Ubuntu | 08:11 |
| seb128 | translations updates and some fixes | 08:11 |
| pitti | seb128: don't forget about the ubuntu-specific patches | 08:11 |
| pitti | seb128: I still know the hassle of the new gnome-vfs2 package :-) | 08:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: don't worry about this | 08:12 |
| pitti | seb128: are there no code changes in pacakges we modified? | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | if we're not going to wait for the .1, I don't see the need for even *having* a preview/final release ... we should just do hoary final (e.g.) two weeks after GNOME release 2.10 | 08:12 |
| carlos | thom: a present for you: http://users.evtek.fi/~k0400388/debian/ | 08:13 |
| seb128 | waiting for .1 is good, there is still a bunch of annoying bugs in .0 | 08:13 |
| Keybuk | seb128: indeed | 08:13 |
| seb128 | 2.8.0 has some mime issues fixed now | 08:13 |
| carlos | thom: the firefox es locale packaged already for Debian | 08:13 |
| mdz | seb128: we can't include 2.8.1 in the RC if it doesn't exist yet | 08:13 |
| mdz | it just isn't possible | 08:13 |
| Keybuk | the question is when *do* we stop uploading new bug fixes? | 08:13 |
| carlos | thom: those packages are waiting for the sponsor to be uploaded into Debian | 08:13 |
| seb128 | mdz: it's 90% done | 08:13 |
| Kamion | 2.8.1 tarballs have been being uploaded right up to today | 08:13 |
| seb128 | mdz: if we miss 2 tarball that's not a big deal | 08:14 |
| Kamion | it seems to me we might as well finish the job rather than having something in between | 08:14 |
| elmo | Kamion: s/today/5 minutes ago/ :) | 08:14 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: especially given GNOME's traditional brokenness when you mix even point-release packages | 08:14 |
| mdz | if these .1 releases are broken when used with .0, then they aren't living up to our expectations | 08:14 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: that's wrong | 08:15 |
| mdz | those kinds of changes would not be acceptable | 08:15 |
| seb128 | don't listen to Keybuk | 08:15 |
| mdz | ok | 08:15 |
| seb128 | point-release are minimal change | 08:15 |
| seb128 | I'm checking all the changelog | 08:15 |
| Keybuk | I'd still rather we delayed the RC so we had all of 2.8.1 in and tested than went with a hybrid | 08:16 |
| seb128 | BTW the upstream fix of e-d-s on amd64 seems to break the build | 08:16 |
| seb128 | http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/evolution-data-server/1.0.2-0ubuntu1/evolution-data-server_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_20041012-1642-amd64-failed | 08:16 |
| seb128 | if somebody has an amd64 box to test ... | 08:16 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir hacked the previous version, he has probably an idea but he's not here apparently | 08:17 |
| elmo | to test the build you mean? | 08:17 |
| elmo | I can give you access to our amd64's to do that | 08:17 |
| seb128 | to try to fix it | 08:17 |
| seb128 | the problem is that I'm pretty busy with the stack of tarball to package before 2100 UTC (if the CD is for 2200 UTC) | 08:17 |
| seb128 | so if somebody has some time to check that ... | 08:18 |
| Kamion | we can move the CD build back a bit if the pressure is intolerable | 08:18 |
| seb128 | 2200 UTC should be fine if the builds are ok | 08:19 |
| seb128 | so we need to fix e-d-s on amd64 | 08:19 |
| elmo | well, anyone who has time, needs an account, shout.. | 08:19 |
| elmo | I've installed e-d-s' build-deps in the chroot | 08:19 |
| seb128 | for the previous version we runned libdb/dist/s_config | 08:21 |
| seb128 | to get it working on amd64 | 08:21 |
| seb128 | if somebody can try to run a build after running this ... | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | mdz: so what do we want to do for warty? We can stick a tech-board agenda about hoary's release for next tuesday | 08:23 |
| seb128 | oups, the meeting ! | 08:23 |
| mdz | Keybuk: for warty it sounds like we are OK | 08:27 |
| mdz | we'll get the 2.8.1 builds we can, and the others we'll give a miss | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | 2100 UTC cut-off for the 2.8.1 tarballs? | 08:27 |
| mdz | npmccallum: ping? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: I'll have the current tarballs done before 2100 UTC | 08:29 |
| Keybuk | are any new ones expected/outstanding? | 08:30 |
| seb128 | I've not checked the details, but most of the desktop (nautilus/metacity/panel/applets/evolution) is here | 08:31 |
| seb128 | gnome-terminal is missing but didn't even get a 2.8.0 | 08:31 |
| sabdfl | seb128: let's try to get them all in, even if it means we delay the first RC build | 08:31 |
| seb128 | and nobody really maintains the control-center | 08:31 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: ok | 08:32 |
| seb128 | but it should be fine for the build | 08:32 |
| Kamion | I'm going to get dinner while I have a chance | 08:36 |
| carlos | seb128: goneme project wants to retook it :-P | 08:38 |
| elmo | GOD DAMN IT. MY ADSL IS *NOT* ALLOWED TO DIE TONIGHT | 08:39 |
| seb128 | mine was down 2 hours this morning | 08:40 |
| seb128 | doesn't help | 08:40 |
| Kamion | if your ADSL dies, I recommend driving to the nearest staff member's house :) | 08:42 |
| elmo | even the nearest staff member is 2 hours away | 08:42 |
| elmo | sabdfl's clearly got some no-northerner's hiring discrimination policy going on :-P | 08:42 |
| sivang | elmo : where you located? :) | 08:44 |
| elmo | sivang: Leeds in the UK | 08:45 |
| mdz | could someone knowledgeable about multibyte whatsits look at 2304/2305/2307? | 08:47 |
| mdz | is this RC material? | 08:47 |
| pitti | mdz: I already looked at the bugs | 08:47 |
| pitti | mdz: I already was inclined to downgrade them | 08:47 |
| pitti | mdz: this affects a very special case in Unicode environments | 08:47 |
| pitti | mdz: I know about this bug for some time, but since Warty uses the old encodings (latin and such), I don't think this is RC | 08:48 |
| npmccallum | mdz: pong | 08:49 |
| pitti | mdz: BTW, 2304 says that downgrading to 1:3.1.3-3 fixes the problem; this is exactly Warty's version :-) | 08:50 |
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| pitti | mdz: only #2307 applies to warty and is a bit nasty | 09:07 |
| pitti | Kamion: do we install UTF-8 locales for some languages by default? | 09:07 |
| pitti | Kamion: nevermind, this doesn't matter. #2307 applies to non-UTF-8 locales, too | 09:22 |
| mdz | pitti: go ahead and NOTWARTY 2307, then, if you would | 09:27 |
| pitti | mdz: 2307 is warty | 09:27 |
| pitti | mdz: I just submitted a patch | 09:27 |
| mdz | pitti: er, 2304 I meant | 09:27 |
| pitti | mdz: the question is only if it is regarded as RC | 09:27 |
| pitti | mdz: I already closed the other two, they are notwarty | 09:27 |
| pitti | mdz: grep works fine for one-byte languages, but fails on this case for the e. g. asian languages (which are multibyte in any case) | 09:28 |
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| Kamion | pitti: some, yes | 09:29 |
| Kamion | however I'd be slightly surprised if the installer worked entirely smoothly in e.g. ja_JP anyway | 09:29 |
| pitti | Kamion: I just uploaded a patch for #2307; it is straightforward and I tested it, but _if_ we fix it for warty, I would nevertheless appreciate some more eyes | 09:29 |
| elmo | err, WTF | 09:30 |
| pitti | Kamion: I don't think that this affects the installer so much, this case is rather special | 09:30 |
| elmo | 2211 isn't reproduceable anymore | 09:30 |
| Kamion | pitti: no, I know, I'm just saying that anyone using exclusively ja_JP has other issues anyway | 09:30 |
| pitti | Kamion: it might affect maintainer scripts and user's programs | 09:30 |
| pitti | Kamion: right | 09:30 |
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| Kamion | sight | 09:30 |
| pitti | Kamion: never tested it, it all looks japanese :-) | 09:30 |
| elmo | I wonder if it's because the disks were still being scrubbed.. but that's like.. really odd | 09:31 |
| Kamion | pitti: first stage should be fine, second stage is likely to be broken since jfbterm and unifont are not in warty | 09:32 |
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| doko | Kamion: the {[] }@? keys don't work again on the german PBook keyboard with today's CD. | 09:33 |
| Kamion | um, nothing's changed recently | 09:34 |
| mdz | pitti: why do upper and lower not work, but alpha does? | 09:35 |
| mdz | elmo: maybe it has to do with where the kernel lands on the disk? | 09:35 |
| doko | /etc/environment looks better, however LANGUAGE="de_DE:de_DE:de:en_GB:en" (doubled de_DE) | 09:35 |
| mdz | pitti: asian language support in Warty is not necessarily up to par anyway; we haven't tested it | 09:35 |
| mdz | pitti: it's not worth the risk of changing grep; I'm downgrading it | 09:36 |
| Kamion | doko: that's cosmetic though | 09:37 |
| elmo | mdz: that won't have changed tho? | 09:37 |
| Kamion | (don't know where it comes from) | 09:37 |
| pitti | mdz: alpha is upper and lower together; the functions are just not interpreted correctly, they forgot to respect --ignore-case | 09:37 |
| Kamion | oh, incidentally, whoever arranged for the GNOME menus to be ordered from right to left when you're running in a locale whose language is written from right to left deserves a Cleverness Medal | 09:38 |
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| Kamion | last call for RC1 uploads in about 15 minutes by the current schedule ... | 09:51 |
| Kamion | where's that artwork? | 09:51 |
| doko | kamion: do I understand you right, that you would prefer merging complete .po files only? | 09:59 |
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| Kamion | doko: it's too late for the release candidate anyway | 10:00 |
| Kamion | doko: the patches are fine as long as we haven't drifted too far; all of yours applied cleanly | 10:00 |
| seb128 | ok, all the packages out of gnome-session have been uploaded | 10:02 |
| doko | noticed that the debian packages converted to utf8 for all po files. that would be another patch (after warty). | 10:03 |
| Kamion | we'll be doing a big resync with d-i after warty anyway | 10:03 |
| Kamion | that's why I didn't want too many gratuitous changes to strings we haven't changed for Ubuntu | 10:04 |
| doko | I'll send you the scripts I used for generating the diffs. msgmerge & co do very well. | 10:04 |
| seb128 | somebody had a chance to look on e-d-s amd64 ? | 10:04 |
| Kamion | doko: OK | 10:05 |
| Kamion | doko: thanks - I think we've merged as many as we can for warty now, though | 10:05 |
| Kamion | I looked briefly at the Spanish translation, but those .po files only seemed to be for the changed strings, and I didn't have time for the merge | 10:06 |
| carlos | Kamion: do you need help with that? | 10:08 |
| Kamion | carlos: CD builds are starting in an hour at current schedule, it's just too late I'm afraid | 10:09 |
| carlos | What needs to be done? | 10:09 |
| Kamion | at the current schedule no more uploads will be accepted for warty | 10:11 |
| Kamion | anything that touches the d-i initrd requires two hours absolute minimum | 10:11 |
| Kamion | mdz: we have a server naming question to punt to you | 10:12 |
| carlos | Kamion: ok | 10:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: you know I suck at names | 10:13 |
| Kamion | mdz: sabdfl wants an rsync module containing only current CD images for each current release | 10:13 |
| Kamion | we can't use cdimage.u.c though, since people are already using it | 10:13 |
| Kamion | would you and jdub kill us if we stole releases.u.c? | 10:14 |
| sabdfl | mdz, Kamion, idea is to have a minimal "installer and live cd" mirror possibility for small mirrors | 10:14 |
| mdz | Kamion: hmm | 10:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: cdimages-i-actually-want.ubuntu.com? | 10:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: releases doesn't sound too bad, as long as we can put something on port 80 as well if we decide we want to | 10:16 |
| Kamion | unless we can do cdimage::releases/ sanely | 10:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: I had no plans for it | 10:16 |
| Kamion | mmmkay, thanks | 10:16 |
| mdz | a module on the existing cdimage seems simpler, though | 10:16 |
| mdz | cdimage::current? | 10:17 |
| doko | discworld.ubuntu.com | 10:17 |
| mdz | hehe | 10:17 |
| elmo | mdz: still need non-rsync access | 10:17 |
| mdz | pratchett.ubuntu.com, for the subtle indirection | 10:17 |
| mdz | isn't the existing /releases/ pretty much that already? | 10:18 |
| mdz | we could fold sounder-test and releases/preview into a "milestones" dir | 10:18 |
| mdz | and use releases/ only for real releases | 10:18 |
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| elmo | we can't move ISOs around without a lot of advance notice | 10:19 |
| seb128 | ok, session seeems to be bugged, we keep 2.8.0 | 10:19 |
| seb128 | so all the modules have been uploaded | 10:19 |
| mdz | seb128: great | 10:19 |
| seb128 | somebody has looked on the e-d-s build ? | 10:19 |
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| mdz | seb128: is that the one which failed on amd64? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:20 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: ping? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | if somebody has an amd64, it would be nice to run libdb/dist/s_config and run the build again to test | 10:21 |
| Kamion | I have an amd64 but I haven't got it network-connected, which makes things very awkward | 10:22 |
| mdz | seb128: I can get you a shell in 5 minutes | 10:22 |
| seb128 | elmo said he installed the build dep in the chroot some time ago | 10:23 |
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| seb128 | where is the chroot in question ? | 10:23 |
| elmo | yellow.warthogs.hbd.com | 10:23 |
| elmo | you have an account | 10:23 |
| mdz | argh | 10:24 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:24 |
| mdz | WHY does it include its own copy of libdb? | 10:24 |
| Kamion | mdz: symlinks are fine but as elmo says we can't change what's there already | 10:24 |
| Kamion | preview was really the last chance we had to do that | 10:24 |
| seb128 | elmo: | 10:25 |
| seb128 | $ dchroot | 10:25 |
| seb128 | Executing shell in 'warty' chroot. | 10:25 |
| seb128 | Unknown id: seb128 | 10:25 |
| seb128 | dchroot: Child exited non-zero. | 10:25 |
| seb128 | dchroot: Operation failed. | 10:25 |
| elmo | seb128: dchroot -c warty | 10:25 |
| Kamion | elmo: I don't think sabdfl's too bothered about HTTP access for now (correct me if I'm wrong) | 10:25 |
| elmo | it's debian dchroot, not debian.org dchroot | 10:25 |
| seb128 | elmo: same | 10:25 |
| elmo | oh, crap | 10:25 |
| seb128 | warti is the default | 10:25 |
| seb128 | s/warti/warty/ | 10:25 |
| elmo | seb128: fixed, sorry | 10:26 |
| Kamion | elmo: people accessing by HTTP can be directed to the right place by means of README.html | 10:26 |
| elmo | kamion: mmk *shrug* | 10:27 |
| seb128 | elmo: np, thanks | 10:27 |
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| Kamion | is the module best constructed in rsyncd.conf, then, or by symlinks? bit worried about how symlinks will look in the HTTP tree | 10:28 |
| Kamion | hm, rsyncd.conf can't map paths around arbitrarily | 10:29 |
| seb128 | elmo: | 10:29 |
| seb128 | wartylog: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com ... | 10:29 |
| seb128 | on an "apt-get source evolution-data-server" | 10:30 |
| seb128 | s/wartylog/W:/ (completion ...) | 10:30 |
| elmo | fixed too | 10:31 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:31 |
| elmo | Kamion: where are we going to point http folks? | 10:31 |
| elmo | cdimage.ubuntu.com/ -> straight into the old layout | 10:32 |
| Kamion | do we have people mirroring by http? | 10:32 |
| sabdfl | PANTS OFF! | 10:32 |
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| Kamion | heh, ok | 10:33 |
| Kamion | bleh | 10:33 |
| Kamion | would you prefer I created something outside /srv/cdimage/www then, or a new symlink tree inside www? | 10:34 |
| elmo | for http mirroring, I dunno.. but i bet we have people going to http://cdimage.u.c/ to download stuff, and AIUI we'd rather they went to the simple layout | 10:34 |
| elmo | Kamion: I think outside, www/ maps to what's in the current tree | 10:35 |
| Kamion | right, so they'll have to go to http://releases.u.c/ then | 10:35 |
| Kamion | I wonder if rsync DTRT with symlinks pointing outside the tree you're rsyncing | 10:35 |
| elmo | no, it won't | 10:36 |
| Kamion | arse | 10:36 |
| Kamion | so I just have to hardlink it? | 10:36 |
| elmo | kamion: err. hmm. | 10:37 |
| sabdfl | we want the simple view for everyone except people who explicitly want the hard one | 10:37 |
| Kamion | observing that cdimage/releases/warty/ probably needs to continue to exist for a while | 10:37 |
| sabdfl | sure | 10:37 |
| daniels | ogg123 '/home/daniels/music/Aphex Twin/Richard D James Album/track01.cdda.ogg' | 10:37 |
| daniels | (gah) | 10:37 |
| elmo | daniels: stop pretending you listen to music other than David Hasslehof | 10:38 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: right, but we have to give that a name other than cdimage now; we're agreed on the principle I think | 10:38 |
| elmo | kamion: let's make it so www becomes www/simple and www/hardcore (or something) - and I'll adjust the mirror script on my end to DTRT with hardlinks | 10:38 |
| sabdfl | can i see it before it's committed please? | 10:39 |
| Kamion | www/full then | 10:39 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: we're not going to change the existing cdimage tree, we're creating a new one; so it's probably as easy to commit it and then show you ... | 10:39 |
| sabdfl | point :-) | 10:39 |
| daniels | otoh, having 'hardcore' in the name will increase our google-fu | 10:39 |
| Kamion | bugger, ok, need to rearrange a bunch of scripts now | 10:40 |
| elmo | Kamion: me too - don't trigger before I fix my end :> | 10:40 |
| carlos | elmo: I just got an email from a Spanish admin that is mirroring Ubuntu every 6 hours | 10:45 |
| mdz | seb128: it looks like the code is simply duplicated | 10:45 |
| mdz | seb128: maybe a wrong merge? | 10:45 |
| carlos | elmo: he says that he sent an email as wiki asks but he did not got any answer and asks for permission to update the wiki with his mirror info | 10:46 |
| seb128 | mdz: commenting 760L fixes the build apparently | 10:46 |
| seb128 | libdb/dbinc/mutex.h, 760L | 10:46 |
| carlos | what should I answer? | 10:46 |
| seb128 | do you think it's ok ? | 10:46 |
| seb128 | /*typedef unsigned char tsl_t;*/ | 10:46 |
| mdz | seb128: the entire HAVE_MUTEX_X86_64_GCC_ASSEMBLY block is duplicated in both places | 10:47 |
| mdz | one of them should be removed | 10:47 |
| mdz | they both define all of the same types and macros | 10:47 |
| mdz | the code is identical in both cases | 10:47 |
| mdz | the only difference is indentation | 10:47 |
| seb128 | ok, we just remove the libdb/dbinc/mutex.h one so ? | 10:47 |
| mdz | seb128: there are two in mutex.h, I'm saying | 10:47 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:47 |
| mdz | 731 and 756 | 10:47 |
| mdz | both #ifdef HAVE_MUTEX_X86_64_GCC_ASSEMBLY | 10:48 |
| seb128 | oups, yes | 10:48 |
| seb128 | why ? | 10:48 |
| elmo | carlos: it's fine for him to edit the wiki | 10:48 |
| carlos | ok | 10:48 |
| carlos | thanks | 10:48 |
| mdz | seb128: perhaps a bad merge? | 10:49 |
| mdz | anyway, I deleted the first one | 10:49 |
| mdz | and it is building | 10:49 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:49 |
| seb128 | you're going to upload it ? | 10:50 |
| mdz | sure | 10:50 |
| mdz | if you don't want to | 10:51 |
| seb128 | if you've made the changes, just debuild -S and upload please :) | 10:52 |
| mdz | I made the changes, but I didn't do a dpatch | 10:53 |
| seb128 | don't | 10:53 |
| mdz | no? | 10:53 |
| seb128 | that's using cdbs and simply-patch | 10:53 |
| seb128 | not dpatch | 10:54 |
| mdz | ah | 10:54 |
| seb128 | you just remove the first block ? | 10:54 |
| mdz | so you want me to just put the changes in the diff? or do I need to figure out how to make a patch with cdbs? | 10:54 |
| mdz | yes | 10:54 |
| mdz | correct | 10:54 |
| seb128 | ok, I'm doing the upload | 10:54 |
| seb128 | don't bother | 10:54 |
| elmo | gar, having a desktop/laptop with reversed ~ and | is really MESSING WITH MY BRAIN | 10:54 |
| mdz | seb128: 25 lines starting at 731 | 10:55 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 10:55 |
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| mdz | thom: load a dvorak keymap, just as good | 10:55 |
| thom | i could just replace it with a french keyboar | 10:56 |
| thom | d | 10:56 |
| mdz | thom: confuse the hell out of the remote hands guy | 10:56 |
| thom | but that'd be too painful for words | 10:56 |
| thom | mdz: lol | 10:56 |
| thom | mdz: trouble is, that'd inevitably mean i'd end up in the DC to fix the problem | 10:56 |
| === mdz eats | ||
| Kamion | sabdfl: so, right now, the simple tree ought to contain the preview? or sounder 9? | 11:00 |
| sabdfl | kamion: only the latest, greatest one | 11:00 |
| sabdfl | the one we want people testing | 11:00 |
| sabdfl | and the name of the file should reflect that | 11:00 |
| Kamion | that's hard on rsyncers | 11:01 |
| Kamion | if you want this to be ideal for mirrors, the name of the file shouldn't change all the time | 11:01 |
| Kamion | we can have a README file in the same directory saying what it is | 11:01 |
| sabdfl | umm... what about symlinks? | 11:02 |
| sabdfl | i'd much rather the name istranferred with download | 11:02 |
| Kamion | I guess, but you can't tell remotely that they're symlinks | 11:02 |
| Kamion | and it might confuse bittorrent | 11:02 |
| sabdfl | the guy ends up with a file that says "warty-sounder9-i386.iso" | 11:02 |
| sabdfl | he knows what he got | 11:02 |
| Kamion | this is a fundamental conflict between making life sane for mirrors and letting the user know what he's got | 11:03 |
| Kamion | I think README is a good compromise | 11:03 |
| sabdfl | it's at most a refresh every week | 11:03 |
| sabdfl | except during release period | 11:03 |
| sabdfl | symlinks seem better to me | 11:03 |
| sabdfl | only thing is directing the user to the well-named symlink | 11:04 |
| Kamion | if we're calling it warty-sounder9-i386.iso then that should probably be the *only* name, no symlink | 11:04 |
| sabdfl | what about: | 11:04 |
| Kamion | symlinks will just create "which one do I download?" confusion, and occasionally cause people to download two identical images by mistake | 11:04 |
| sabdfl | - /pool/warty-current-i386.iso | 11:04 |
| sabdfl | - /warty/warty-sounder9-i386.iso -> ../pool/warty-current-i386.iso | 11:05 |
| sabdfl | that way people will go into the warty directory and go for the one they want | 11:05 |
| Kamion | your pool is my full cdimage tree, apart from size :) | 11:05 |
| sabdfl | the mirrors will spend most of their time rsyncing against the previous iso, which would be good | 11:05 |
| sabdfl | size does matter in this special case :-) | 11:05 |
| Kamion | it'll end up as /pool/warty-install-i386.iso and /warty/warty-install-sounder9-i386.iso, I think | 11:06 |
| Kamion | hm, no, warty-sounder9-install-i386.iso | 11:06 |
| Kamion | elmo: what do you think? | 11:06 |
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| sabdfl | what's the vi voodoo to reflow a paragraph? | 11:09 |
| Kamion | gqip | 11:09 |
| sabdfl | kamion: for for safety we do have sounder, preview, rc and final cd's in the pool? | 11:10 |
| Kamion | or gq} to reflow to end of paragraph | 11:10 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: people who want older ones have the full tree | 11:10 |
| sabdfl | yes, agreed | 11:10 |
| Kamion | if we're not convinced by the newer one, we shouldn't be declaring it to be the one everyone should be using :) | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | erm, that didn't work so well on my python code | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | oops | 11:11 |
| sabdfl | is there a way to limit it to a selection? | 11:11 |
| Kamion | v to enter visual mode; move over range; gq | 11:12 |
| Kamion | assuming vim | 11:12 |
| sabdfl | ah, perfect, thanks! | 11:12 |
| Kamion | I'm going to need an ubuntu-release script at this rate | 11:12 |
| Kamion | bet that'll be well-tested | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | make damn-it-all-to-hell-im-going-to-bed | 11:15 |
| Keybuk | (best run on Friday night, for maximum damage :p) | 11:15 |
| Kamion | personally I'm just glad cdimage is effectively backed up all over the world now | 11:16 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: one more, for the bonus prize! | 11:17 |
| sabdfl | how do i autocomplete a word, searching forward in the doc? | 11:17 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: Ctrl-n | 11:17 |
| sivang | sabdfl : you recieved anything from jdub regarding default home page? | 11:17 |
| Kamion | (I think) | 11:17 |
| sabdfl | wow, works! | 11:18 |
| sabdfl | thanks | 11:18 |
| sabdfl | sivang: not yet | 11:18 |
| Kamion | Ctrl-p searches backwards | 11:18 |
| Kamion | elmo: ok, I have www/simple/ and www/full/ now; www/full/ is what used to be www/ | 11:18 |
| Kamion | elmo: let me know when you're ready for a sync | 11:18 |
| Kamion | it's a bit steam-driven, I'll probably use the time between now and 7am to automate it :P | 11:19 |
| elmo | Kamion: k | 11:27 |
| sivang | sabdfl : regarding docs, as agreed on the meeting this is more of a Hoary material, however do we have sufficient docs for _users_ IYO per this release? (on ubuntu.com) or leave this entirly to Hoary? | 11:27 |
| mdz | sivang: sufficient docs has always been a Hoary goal | 11:29 |
| mdz | for Warty, our goal was to organize the existing documentation | 11:29 |
| sivang | mdz : ok. proceding with streamlining current yelp accessible docs for Ubuntu, due by the 18th. | 11:31 |
| sivang | mdz : that is , the gnome2-user-guide | 11:31 |
| mdz | sivang: streamlining? | 11:32 |
| hornbeck | mdz: I think he means making them more Ubuntu specific | 11:32 |
| sivang | mdz : fetching 2.8 docs from CVS, makig sure it fits ubuntu perfectly and adjust when needed. (removable media ) | 11:33 |
| sivang | mdz : etc | 11:33 |
| sivang | mdz : dealing with rmov. media is one aspect I guess, but than again there might not be any work needed other than that :) | 11:33 |
| hornbeck | sivang: I already have most of the 2.8 gnome-user-guide ready, just need it packaged | 11:33 |
| mdz | sivang: there are many differences apart from removable media | 11:35 |
| mdz | Ubuntu's default menu structureis completely different | 11:36 |
| sivang | mdz : yes ofcourse, I was just trying to make you understand what I meant :-) | 11:36 |
| sivang | mdz : this is this first thing you notice after install, this and that you have no icons on the desktop :) | 11:37 |
| hornbeck | seb128: thanks for packageing for us doc guys :) | 11:53 |
| seb128 | np | 11:53 |
| seb128 | thanks for making docs work :) | 11:53 |
| hornbeck | we try | 11:53 |
| elmo | Kamion: your trigger is wrapped in a script and/or only called in one place, right? | 11:59 |
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