[12:01] mdz: can I add the linux-* metapackages to base? :-) [12:02] (minor problem installing them when they aren't on the CD) [12:02] and adapt the other seeds too, probably [12:04] mdz: you may want to adapt your ubuntu-meta update script to cope, if you haven't already === sivang [~sivang@CBL217-132-211-141.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] mdz: I might kill the install_restricted_modules function as well if you don't mind [12:10] Kamion: sure [12:10] Kamion: (to both) [12:10] Kamion: the version of ubuntu-meta that went into the archive uses debootstrap as a filter for base, so as long as you don't add them to debootstrap, you're safe [12:11] I don't think linux-386 etc. ever went into a seed, slightly puzzled about how it's in the archive [12:12] jdub : around? [12:15] Kamion: perhaps elmo massaged it, since I mentioned it to him around the time I was uploading it [12:19] seb128 : ping [12:19] pong [12:22] seb128 : Could you briefly explain how does the yelp ubuntu package finds the documentation package? do they cross depend? [12:22] define "documentation package" please [12:22] seb128 : documentation package = where all the docs displayed by yelp are [12:23] sivang: /usr/share/omf [12:23] that's it :) [12:23] seb128 : what's the pkg name ? there must be a pacakge to put those files there :) [12:24] no [12:24] each gnome package has some omf file for example [12:24] mdz : tnx [12:24] and scrollkeeper-update is called in the postinst [12:24] sivang: are you working on #1205? [12:25] elmo_: if you don't have an opportunity to debug #2211, please arrange access for me or someone else [12:29] mdz : yes, but not only on :) I'd like to know also how to introduce new docs besides the offline "home page" [12:29] is bugzilla broken for anyone else? [12:29] mdz : yes [12:30] sivang: the home page would not be registered in yelp [12:30] but if we are going to do an offline home page, it needs to be done today [12:30] mdz : are you putting it ubuntu-desktop ? [12:31] sivang: I do not have anything to put it in at the present time [12:31] s/it in/in it/ [12:31] I can't get to anything at the DC [12:32] mdz : DC=? [12:32] data centre [12:32] elmo_: ? [12:34] the on-disk home page will live in ubuntu-artwork [12:34] i've hacked up a simple on [12:34] e [12:36] jdub : why don't you send it up to me, I'll add to it some ? [12:37] ok [12:37] I can't even access ubuntu.com [12:37] jdub : you know the address? [12:37] yes [12:38] thom: ping? [12:39] jdub : thanks, I'll do a merge between our 2 versions and send it to you for approval? [12:40] mdz : regarding the dead line, that's strange. I understood from John Hornbeck that it's the 18th, is it? [12:41] mdz : sorry, this was meant to go to jdub :) [12:41] jdub : I was sure it had to be sometime closer, as the cd needs time to get pressed :) === nasdaq4088 [sdfsd@tkp-ip-nas-1-p92.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] elmo_: knows, has remote hands incoming to check [12:50] i'm not too far if it needs someone onsite [12:50] ok [12:50] thanks for checking [12:50] what kind of box is passing for a firewall over there? [12:57] ibm [12:58] ubuntu [12:58] 2.4 kernel, hasn't been rebooted to 2.6 yet === amu is now known as amU [01:05] seb128 : for example, the gnome-user-guide get's instlled when I install the GNOME desktop ? [01:06] seb128 : or it's meta package for that matter. [01:06] ? [01:07] it's in the desktop seed [01:07] meta package for what ? [01:07] ubuntu-desktop I imagine [01:08] Kamion: is the ubuntu-desktop package installed? [01:08] seb128 : just a though :) [01:08] maybe a good idea is to have it but not install it? [01:08] sabdfl: it's installed, yeah [01:08] that way someone can knee-jerk their system into a state of compliance, then get rid of it while they tune [01:08] seb128 : thought. Suppose you had a meta package for gnome (that includes all gnome's dependecies) [01:08] I thought the point of it was to have it installed so people could use it to track by default [01:09] the system starts out in a state of compliance :-) [01:09] well... between releases it will only cause pain [01:09] certainly they can get rid of it [01:09] hm, won't it help? [01:09] how can we reliably add new packages to desktop otherwise? [01:09] it means they get TWO warnings when they override a default of ours [01:09] one for the default, and one for ubuntu-desktop [01:09] which is the other warning? [01:09] say they sub epiph and firefox [01:09] i'd kinda prefer an upgrade helper sort of thing [01:10] sabdfl: or worse fam/gamin, esound/polypaudio [01:10] sure, but we used a metapackage as a stopgap for that [01:10] jdub: yes [01:10] hm, well, it's silly to have me in the position of advocating this, I'll let mdz do it :) [01:10] a metapackage is nice because BLAM the system comes into compliance === jdub wasn't entirely sure why we went for metapackage instead of sticking with tasks [01:11] seb128 : could you tell me tha package name? seeds are menifested in a group of pkgs, if I recall right.. [01:11] i'm just asking questions, i could well be clueless here :-) [01:11] sabdfl: what's the second warning? [01:11] not installing by default is certainly easy IF we decide to go that way. I have no opinion really :) [01:11] one when they remove the conflicting package, one because ubuntu-desktop will have to be removed too [01:11] jdub: so that users who upgrade receive new packages we add to the seeds [01:12] mdz: we could do that with aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop", too [01:12] jdub: which you would know if you read ubuntu-devel :-P [01:12] jdub: the point is that it happens automatically [01:12] i think an upgrade assistant for warty->hoary could be more subtle than a metapackage [01:12] mdz: well, i read that, but wasn't convinced [01:12] hm, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bounty.html is 403? [01:12] jdub: and is automatically turned off if they remove one of the packages we install [01:12] kamion: ran out of cash [01:12] sivang: what do you want to install exactly ? aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop" ? [01:12] kthnxbye [01:12] :-) === Kamion grins [01:12] jdub: you should probably have followed up to the list, then [01:13] process of moving to ubuntu bounties page [01:13] somewhere there's a very rich jelly bean making company ... [01:13] haha [01:13] elmo_: and dentists [01:13] sabdfl: mmmkay, a friend asked me about it [01:13] or perhaps the dentists OWN the jellybean company... [01:13] elmo_: we should convince the jelly belly company to make jelly belly SCHNAAAAKEs === Kamion tries not to laugh too loudly as he has somebody else sleeping in this room [01:14] Kamion: should be back now, stooopid permissions problem [01:14] cool, ta [01:15] mdz : what is the dead line for the webpage in hours from now? (I'm bad at translating UTC times) [01:15] :) [01:16] sivang: as soon as possible [01:16] i just had an idea: why not allow companies to post bounties on ubuntu's web site for development of the os? [01:16] nasdaq4088: willdo :-) [01:17] is ubuntu.com up already? [01:17] yes [01:17] archive is not letting me install too much :) [01:17] 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com] [01:17] and stays there [01:18] sivang: it'll be up and down for a while apparently [01:18] Kamion : ok. I'll continue to hope :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 13 RC bugs to go [01:33] (upgraded #2136, will fix tomorrow, bed now) [01:34] mdz: ack [01:38] mdz: actually, please mail. going to bed now [01:38] thom: was just the "data center falling into the ocean" thing [01:39] ah, right [01:42] still down [01:56] sivang: sivang: it'll be up and down for a while apparently === lamont points at people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty.iso and looks for people with bandwidth to test the LiveCD. === |trey| [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] jdub : sent the html page? [02:31] anyone of the native english speaker, how do you refer to the life saver thingy that yelp is executed by clicking on? [02:32] life preserver, or life saver [02:33] mdz : tnx :) === sivang [~sivang@CBL217-132-211-141.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] i think there some bug with firefox, I just tried to save a web page locally - the gui presents the same icon for new dir and up one level [02:41] anyone seen that? [02:43] sivang: having network issues atm; if you have suggested content for it, send it over - i'll get it eventually [02:43] jdub : ok, no prob. I myself had a horroble DNS failure problem....:) [03:19] Kamion: with the acx, you need to explicitly set key off before it will associate [03:19] Kamion: you may also need to set a nickname before it will send data down (it will associate but not do data, e.g. dhcp -- bong) [03:19] daniels: did your wireless Just Work, btw/ [03:19] ? [03:22] bob2: the Atheros? once out of the installer, yeah [03:22] ah, cool. [03:23] yes siree, this laptop is all about Just Working [03:26] few more minutes and I can go fetch my (hopefully good) liveCD attempt === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 11 RC bugs to go [03:28] lamont: it tanked on me, unable to mount rootfs, I am getting a log for you now [03:28] thanks [03:28] I think [03:29] sorry to bear bad news :) [03:29] exactly [03:29] OTOH, once I have the image on the local machine, the rsync's should go faster... :-) [03:29] :) [03:38] hrm. no doko around === lamont bbiab - fetching a CD. [03:41] hm, .au isn't the canonical bandwidth ghetto anymore [03:41] heh [03:41] just canberra [03:41] I have dsl now, foo' [03:44] yes, but all you can access is news about the Melbourne Olympics :P [04:15] lamont: I know this is suboptimal, but I am a fool who does not know how to get grub to talk to the serial port: [04:15] lamont: http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/tmp/warty-livecd-2004-10-11-lamont1.png [04:16] daniels: that dawn fraser chick, whew! [04:23] meow [04:39] jdub : apart from the web page which must be completed today, the reworking of gnome manual is dued by the 18th ? [04:54] ROCK! [04:54] 'n' [04:56] lamont: morning [05:00] can everyone please try gnome-volume-manager from http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/g-v-m/ with cameras? [05:00] it should now work with both crazy-proprietary and usb mass storage cameras [05:00] and with USB MS, it should just pop up to the right folder automatically [05:07] doko: remind me what I need to change to make gcc-3.3 build libgcc1 again? [05:10] huh, why that? [05:10] bootstrapping something [05:10] from the "go back to where you first got the job" school of bootstrapping... :-) [05:11] on which architecture? [05:11] m_tthew: hrm... seemed to boot OK for me... Now to see which disk its on... [05:11] heh. My login works -> booted from real root. [05:12] m_tthew: well, that's more consistant anyway. sigh. [05:13] time to track down alex [05:17] if anyone wants to test g-v-m, you'll need to killall gnome-volume-manager && gnome-volume-manager, fwiw [05:18] daniels: the only mass storage device I have is a usb stick ... [05:19] lamont: let me know if there is anything I can do [05:19] doko: you can simulate a camera pretty easily ;) mkdir -p /media/sda1/dcim/100g-v-m, and put some jpegs in there [05:20] i'd like to get testing with both usb mass storage cameras (of which I've tested two) and non-mass-storage cameras [05:23] jdub : send to jdub AT perkypents.org [05:24] perkypents, or perkypants? :) [05:25] daniels : does it really matter ? :) [05:26] daniels : you happen to do something with Ubuntu's hdparm support? who has it anyways? [05:27] sivang: it probably matters who you mail it to, yeah ... [05:27] sivang: for laptops, Thom has the acpi-support package [05:28] doko: ia64 [05:28] m_tthew: unless you can cause alex to appear, not much. [05:28] OTOH, with the ISO here, I can rsync happier... [05:28] daniels : i am not sure what sort of problem this is, but although I have throughly drilled through hdparm and checked everything, Ubuntu on my 8200 inspiron frequnetly comes to a complete halt, performance wise. fauly hardware? [05:29] sivang: no idea, sorry [05:29] i sent to perkypants [05:29] ok) [05:30] lamont: build logs anywhere? [05:30] nighters everybody [05:34] doko: well, the gcc-3.4 build I have times out in 'Running chapter c9' of the acats tests (I guess disabling the tests would be a good start...) [05:37] definitely better than downgrading libgcc1. I don't know how the kernel on debian's buildd is configured, so that it doesn't time out. [05:39] debian buildd is running 2.4.25-dsa, my ia64 box is running 2.4.19... [05:39] and in sarge of jun 28. [05:39] er, sid, that is [05:40] maybe I'll just get a reasonably current kernel on my machine, eh? [05:46] lamont: worth a try, however sent a patch for you [05:46] doko: cool. Rebooting now [05:46] and crossing digits, since I don't want to have to go hook up a monitor to the beast... [05:54] morning guys [05:56] fabbione: hey dude [05:58] hey daniels [06:01] i feel like shit today [06:02] oh? [06:04] i think i have a bit of fever [06:04] or something like that [06:05] doko: at the risk of sounding stupid... I just drop that file into debian/patches? [06:06] and add it to debian/rules.patch. [06:06] (however the patch is untested) [06:06] right [06:11] mdz: ping [06:11] fabbione: ping === daniels glares at mdz's connection. [06:31] make: *** No rule to make target `stamps/02-patch-stamp-disable-gnat-testsuite.d [06:31] hrm. clearlly missing something here.. [06:42] lamont: in debian/rules.patch: debian_patches += disable-gnat-testsuite (without .dpatch) [06:44] doh [06:56] Unpacking replacement ssh ... [06:56] dpkg: error processing /mirrors/debian.org/pool/main/o/openssh/ssh_3.8.1p1-8.sarge.1_i386.deb (--unpack): [06:56] trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ssh', which is also in package openssh-client [06:56] dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [06:56] Kamion: i guess that's a known problem [07:04] jdub: I have the file that sivang worked with, would you like me to message it [07:04] fix the spelling? === lamont heads to bed === lamont will be working .au tz tomorrow, btw. [07:12] lamont: good plan [07:12] except for the fact that none of the Australians are working .au TZ ;) [07:19] i am [07:20] jdub: you are fixing it? [07:26] i am running on .au tz [07:26] what am i fixing? === x4m [~max@92.235-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] jdub: sivang sent you a file? [07:27] I have a currected version of it, would you like me to send it to you? [07:27] corrected [07:28] ok [07:28] thanks [07:28] what address do you want it at? 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[09:30] fabbione: that's a downgrade, dude => not supported [09:30] hey, there *is* a wireless-tools-udeb, mind [09:30] maybe I do have it after all [09:31] Kamion : Now this is a delayed response ;-) They are usually so good coming from you - not to believe I asked it before I went to sleep ..:) [09:32] sivang: you asked it after I went to sleep, more to the point [09:32] 01:31 < sivang> anyone of the native english speaker, how do you refer to the life saver thingy that yelp is executed by clicking on? [09:33] 00:33 < Kamion> (upgraded #2136, will fix tomorrow, bed now) [09:33] right :-) Well, I usually turn off the machine so I don't get the pleasure of what's going on after I fall asleep. === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Kamion : too bad the home page offline version is already sent to jdub, and I don't have the sources here.. [09:35] morning all [09:36] morning sabdfl === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] Kamion : interesting you refer to it as a "belt". In hebrew it's something like a "life saving wheel" [09:38] Kamion : hebrew is strange, however when I think of lifebelt, somehow I get the picture of something elastic , rather than firm and solid like the lifebelt [09:40] sivang: "life preserver" will be understood [09:42] Kamion : I'll modify it - good there are USB sticks, and someone who made them work well in Ubuntu [09:43] daniels: still can't get it to associate as far as I can tell, though :( === |trey| [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] Kamion: hmmm, what variant of acx100? i had to go through a couple of drivers using ndiswrapper [09:50] well, for acx111 [09:55] (08:48:55) mdz: tech board meeting is going to be very fast unless you have something to bring up [09:55] (08:49:22) mdz: "release tomorrow lots to do kthxbye" [09:55] (08:53:13) sabdfl: i think the schedule is actually community council meeting this week [09:55] (08:53:39) sabdfl: was going to invite tech board to participate and have you sign off on the release process with the cc [09:55] (08:53:42) sabdfl: sound ok? [09:55] (08:53:52) sabdfl: will have a release process drafted for the meeting [09:55] daniels: um. how do I tell? :) [09:55] Kamion: whatever it says on the box [09:55] Kamion: would today's daily have the lspci update for my test ipw2200 card? [09:55] daniels: it's a US Robotics card, not much in the way of labelling [09:56] sabdfl: probably not, since discover1-data is in the initrd [09:56] unless elmo's up VERY early [09:56] Kamion: ah. when you do lspci, is it acx100, or acx111? [09:57] rebooting now to check [09:57] sabdfl : when is the CC meeting scheduled? [09:57] 1600 UTC [09:59] sabdfl : uhm..today ? :) [09:59] yes [09:59] every tuesday we have a tech board or cc meeting [09:59] unless we don't :-) [09:59] you had last tuesday? [09:59] oh :-) [09:59] and TB? [10:00] did we have a tech board meeting last week? I think I missed it [10:00] Kamion : I revised , and resent. thanks for the english know how :) [10:00] I thought CC was last week and TB was this week [10:01] but the email is out now, so CC it is :-) [10:01] I propuse to write down dates and time on the CC wiki page, just o avoid confusion :) [10:02] sivang: I did say "British English"; mdz is a more reliable speaker of American English than I am [10:02] two countries separated by a common language, and all that [10:02] two countries separated by the atlantic ocean... [10:03] Kamio : yep, I now recalled he also told me about the "life preserver" [10:03] to my credit, I provided both alternatives [10:03] mdz : yes you did ;-) [10:03] mdz: neither of which I'd use in British :) [10:03] Kamion: what do you call them? [10:03] mdz: "lifebelt" [10:03] lifejacket === mdz rolls his eyes [10:03] daniels: then what do you call a life jacket? [10:04] daniels: "Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface", 104c:8400 [10:04] daniels: it so isn't a jacket :) [10:04] lifejacke is again, somethign elastic, extendable to fit person's size [10:04] you guys are talking about a seatbelt? [10:04] no, an inflatable ring [10:04] oh [10:04] the wheel is stiff [10:04] not inflatable, but buoyant [10:04] you mean, an inflatable ring :) [10:04] hahah === sivang enjoys the english insights he absorbs here [10:05] buoyant = stiff ? [10:05] buoyant = floats [10:05] oh [10:05] I don't even want to try imagine how you pronounce that [10:05] :) [10:06] boy-unt [10:07] ok, time to sleep before CC meeting, good night [10:07] sabdfl : is it late now to add stuff to the agenda? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-3-95.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] Morning seb128! [10:08] sivang: go ahead, i might move them to the next meeting or handle them today [10:08] mdz : night [10:08] mdz: good night [10:09] sabdfl : ok, tnx [10:09] Kamion: ah, acx100 ... hm, unsure. but you might need to give ndiswrapper a shot; i never had much luck with that driver. [10:09] hello [10:09] mdz: commented on #2284 in reply to you [10:09] night mdz [10:10] daniels: ah well, ignoring then since I have no plans to make ndiswrapper work in d-i [10:10] Kamion: please ping me as soon as ipw2200 is testable by me [10:10] sabdfl: OK, will be later today [10:10] Kamion: fair enough [10:13] Kamion: oh, you did do ifconfig interfacename up, right? [10:15] daniels: I let netcfg do that [10:15] same goes for 'ifup wlan0' outside the installer [10:20] hm [10:20] bong. [10:24] actually, it does claim to associate [10:24] it just doesn't DHCP [10:25] hm === inklingx [~inklingx@u212-239-167-156.adsl.pi.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [doko@dsl-084-057-039-015.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rburton [~ross@82-44-126-41.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sivang [~sivang@CBL217-132-214-167.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@suprimo-220.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@suprimo-220.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] Hi mvo! Nice to see you again! [11:22] mdz : I understand that today's is final date for submission of docs and others - as tommorow is RC. And after RC there would be no more changes allowed right? (except for security patches, and act of gods) [11:22] or acts of gods :) [11:27] hi pitti. I'm back from university land :) [11:31] Kamion: that was updating sid ;) === fabbione still feels like shit today [11:32] fabbione : what's wrong? [11:33] sivang: a lot of headacke and a bit of fever [11:33] fabbione: you must have had openssh-client installed from experimental, then [11:33] i just woke up but i am going to lay in bed soon again [11:33] (or warty) [11:33] fabbione: openssh-client has never been in sid [11:33] Kamion: yes. experimental [11:33] well then, not supported :) [11:33] ehhehe [11:34] fabbione : oh, I've known those too well by now - still not over my dizziness, the last remains of my latest virus catch. :) [11:34] fabbione: (if you're going to use openssh-client from experimental, use ssh from experimental as well) [11:35] Kamion: yup i did a "dist upgrade" but it didn't pull in ssh or openssh-server. [11:36] Kamion: but later i did a mess myself.. reasonf of the informal message here ;) [11:37] rburton: instead of opening a new bug, please reopen the old one ;) [11:37] fabbione: i tried, but couldn't find it :( i'll duplicate/reopen if you can tell me the number... [11:40] rburton: how was to reproduce the problem? [11:40] left alt + ? [11:40] i can never remember these things [11:41] fabbione: windows key + arrows, i've configured metacity to use super for keyboard shortcuts [11:46] rburton: there is also a metacity update [11:46] ah ok [11:46] are you sure metacity didn't fry your settings? [11:46] that shouldn't have broken it [11:46] just asking for info ;) [11:46] yeah, if it reset the settings then super would do nothing [11:48] the SUper is the RWIN or LWIN? [11:49] both i believe, but i use left [11:49] daniels: i saw that patch and i think we can stick it in X [11:49] hm, rwin is compose for me atm [11:49] handy, but i wasn't expecting that ;) [11:49] oh, i set it last week. [11:49] if i push rwin it always pushes to the first desktop :-) [11:50] fabbione: cool. have you got any other pending changes, or should I just upload with this? [11:50] daniels: there might be a regression.. 2288 [11:51] daniels: if you want to take care of it before uploading [11:51] bugger, I need to change rootskel [11:51] fabbione: my /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/switch_to_workspace_down (etc) gconf keys are "Down" etc [11:52] fabbione: ok [11:53] daniels, rburton: hold on [11:56] review of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=436 please? [11:56] (works for me in tests) === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] morning [12:01] rburton: which layout do you use? [12:02] fabbione: gb [12:02] daniels: i leave it up to.. i add Denis in CC, but i am off.. too much headacke [12:03]