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| highvoltage | hi guys. the meeting here starts in two hours, right? is anyone welcome? | 04:08 |
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| thom | yep | 04:11 |
| thom | see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/council/document_view | 04:12 |
| highvoltage | thanks | 04:12 |
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| hornbeck | Is the meeting in one hour? | 05:07 |
| thom | yeah | 05:08 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sabdfl] : Community Council meeting Tuesday 12 October 2004 | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sabdfl] : Community Council meeting Tuesday 12 October 2004 | Agenda on wiki.ubuntulinux.org/CommunityCouncilAgenda | ||
| sivang | and it starts... | 05:59 |
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| sabdfl | still missing a few | 06:01 |
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| sabdfl | Kamion, elmo, mako | 06:01 |
| sivang | who? | 06:01 |
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| sabdfl | one down | 06:01 |
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| sivang | yep | 06:01 |
| sivang | paged mako | 06:02 |
| sabdfl | anybody seen mako this morning? | 06:02 |
| sivang | ah, he's 20hrs idle.. | 06:02 |
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| highvoltage | anyone have his phone number :) | 06:03 |
| sabdfl | i think he was up late last night | 06:03 |
| mdz | I can SMS Him | 06:03 |
| sabdfl | mdz: go for it | 06:03 |
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| sabdfl | should we begin sans elmo and mako? | 06:04 |
| sabdfl | hopefully they will join us. elmo is certainly needed for the release process infrastructure | 06:04 |
| Keybuk | elmo was around a short while ago | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | hey Keybuk | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | let's start, elmo will catch up on scrollback | 06:05 |
| mdz | messaged him; the number I have for him is still a Seattle number, though | 06:05 |
| mdz | hopefully he hasn't changed it yet | 06:05 |
| sivang | i have already did | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | oh, i forgot he's on east coast time now, should *def* be up | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | well lets start | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | agenda | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | i put a few thoughts down this morning, there was nothing there yet | 06:06 |
| mdz | mako says he's 20-30 minutes away | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | let's try to keep this one short, we all have release work to do i suspect | 06:07 |
| sabdfl | sivang has this afternoon proposed Documentation Team and Accessibility Team discussion, but i'd like to defer till the next meeting | 06:07 |
| mdz | seconded :-) | 06:07 |
| sabdfl | sivang: these are mainly Hoary goals, we need to get Warty out the door | 06:08 |
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| sivang | I see. | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | also sivang i didn't see any mention of enrico in your wiki pages, it's really important that he be in the loop, i dont want to have two separate teams | 06:08 |
| sivang | sabdfl : I have tried contacting him, he hasn't replied me yet. | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | sivang: feel free to ping me privately on irc with an update over the next week | 06:09 |
| sivang | sabdfl : I don't mind postponing it for the next meeting, I will try to get in contact with again. | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | i'll ask him to respond to you | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | ok | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | so: warty release | 06:10 |
| sivang | ok, that'll be swell, I just think we need to formalize this.. | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | mdz, want to give us the rundown? | 06:10 |
| mdz | ok | 06:10 |
| mdz | overall, we seem to be in good shape for tomorrow | 06:10 |
| mdz | final artwork integration remains to be done | 06:11 |
| mdz | and there is one big bug left on the live CD | 06:11 |
| sabdfl | on the artwork | 06:11 |
| mdz | nothing else that would upset me if we missed it for tomorrow | 06:11 |
| sabdfl | sent a set of images to jdub this morning | 06:11 |
| sabdfl | missing one final image which i think just arrived in my inbox... | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | are all the GNOME 2.8.1 tarballs in? | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | (in upstream, as well as in warty) | 06:12 |
| sabdfl | yes | 06:12 |
| mdz | I don't have a list, but seb has uploaded many | 06:12 |
| sabdfl | need to massage formats, but will get it to jdub this evening | 06:12 |
| Kamion | evolution-data-server failed to build on amd64, may need attention, I think seb128 has clocked off for a while | 06:12 |
| sabdfl | Keybuk: could you ping seb128 and confirm? | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | yeah will ask him when he's back online | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | I don't know whether they've all trickled in upstream yet, either. He'd know, I expect | 06:13 |
| sabdfl | ok, so that remains to be confirmed | 06:13 |
| sabdfl | what's the big bug in the live cd? | 06:13 |
| mdz | hal doesn't start | 06:14 |
| mdz | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1990 | 06:14 |
| mdz | alex says he will have a workaround tomorrow | 06:14 |
| pitti | I would have liked to debug this, but I don't even come this far with the Life CD | 06:14 |
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| mdz | but that leaves us with no time to test the live CD; hopefully there are no regressions | 06:14 |
| mdz | pitti: I already debugged it for him | 06:14 |
| mdz | he knows what to do | 06:14 |
| mdz | but currently it seems that alex is the only one who can build a working live CD | 06:15 |
| mdz | the autobuilding scripts do not produce a working image yet | 06:15 |
| pitti | BTW, regarding the life CD: shall #2292 regarded as major? | 06:15 |
| pitti | seems to work for some users, so probably not | 06:15 |
| mdz | I don't know, you just reported it today and I haven't read my mail yet :-) | 06:15 |
| pitti | but I don't know how many people actually tested it | 06:16 |
| mdz | it works well for me | 06:16 |
| pitti | okay, then we defer that | 06:16 |
| sabdfl | ok, got the final image, and will get it to jdub immediately | 06:16 |
| mdz | and there have been many downloads, but no other reports | 06:16 |
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| highvoltage | If I may ask, have the APM kernel support problems been sorted out? | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | would we like the RC to be good enough to be a release if we get no new major reports? | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | highvoltage: do you have a bug #? | 06:17 |
| mdz | sabdfl: yes | 06:17 |
| highvoltage | sabdfl: I'll go check... | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | i agree | 06:17 |
| mdz | I would very much like to release the RC as final | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | tomorrow, or by certifying it that way on 20th? | 06:18 |
| mdz | the live CD is my biggest concern there | 06:18 |
| mdz | sabdfl: well, it'd just be too cute for it to go out on my birthday...:-) | 06:18 |
| mdz | let's see how we feel about the RC once it's in hand | 06:19 |
| highvoltage | sabdfl: The problem I've experienced relate to bug: 1890 and bug 2002 | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | do you want to actually announce it as the final tomorrow? | 06:19 |
| Kamion | the installation manual is still very raw; I've made a fair effort at branding it, but it's very recent and few people have looked at it | 06:19 |
| mdz | I don't want to commit to that until I've seen the RC | 06:19 |
| mdz | but I think we should be open to the possibility | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | ok, i think this is optimistic, but share the feeling it would be *great* to get it out the door | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | so working on that basis.... | 06:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: the installation manual isn't shipped on the CD, so it can slip | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | what time can we build it tonight? | 06:20 |
| Kamion | mdz: look more closely :) | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | I think it shold get at least a "Release Candidate Candidate" announcement and overnight smash testing by #ubuntu | 06:20 |
| mdz | in theory, both Kamion and I can build CDs | 06:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: ah, right. nobody reads that copy, though :-) | 06:21 |
| sabdfl | ah, 24x7, i like it :-) | 06:21 |
| mdz | so between us, we have fairly continuous time zone coverage | 06:21 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: we need one more debian-installer upload, which I have in hand | 06:21 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: but I'm waiting for a few last builds first | 06:21 |
| mdz | and then elmo needs to process it by hand | 06:21 |
| Kamion | let's say c. 2000 UTC | 06:21 |
| sabdfl | ok, so artwork needs to get in, anything else? | 06:21 |
| sabdfl | will jdub be around before then? | 06:21 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'll be up all night if necessary anyway, same as preview | 06:21 |
| Kamion | got plenty of sleep last night in prep :) | 06:22 |
| mdz | our kernel isn't 100% on every single piece of hardware that's been tested yet, but that was a rather optimistic goal | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | is it... a little warty? | 06:22 |
| Kamion | USB keyboards still appear intermittently screwed, see bugs | 06:22 |
| mdz | that's currently 5 of the remaining RC bugs | 06:22 |
| === sabdfl ducks | ||
| sabdfl | is Herbert up for it? | 06:22 |
| mdz | these problems just take a long time to debug, due to the back-and-forth with the reporter | 06:22 |
| mdz | if we could mail herbert a clone of each machine that failed, I expect they'd be fixed quickly :-) | 06:23 |
| sabdfl | teleportation is now just an engineering problem, you know | 06:23 |
| mdz | what about that pesky Uncertainty Principle? | 06:23 |
| Keybuk | Heisenberg Compensators, you can get them on e-bay | 06:23 |
| mdz | the Heisenberg Comp... | 06:24 |
| sabdfl | mdz: are you willing to sign off on it with the RC bugs that exist? downgrading those to "slipped" | 06:24 |
| mdz | Kamion: beat me to it | 06:24 |
| Kamion | the problem with the USB keyboard bugs is that they're totally impossible to debug because no interaction with the machine is possible | 06:24 |
| sabdfl | schweet | 06:24 |
| Kamion | mdz: YM Keybuk? | 06:24 |
| mdz | sabdfl: I'm going to downgrade the kernel stuff right now | 06:24 |
| mdz | Kamion: yes | 06:24 |
| Henrik | mdz: You don't have to transport exact info on each particle, just molecules. So, that's ok. | 06:24 |
| sabdfl | hmm... bummer is, the guy never even makes it to the point where he can download updated packages, does he? | 06:24 |
| mdz | another bug currently marked RC is the lack of a local copy of the default browser start page | 06:24 |
| sabdfl | sivang: ? | 06:25 |
| hornbeck | jdub has it | 06:25 |
| mdz | I don't feel particularly RC about that one today | 06:25 |
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| sabdfl | i can draft the copy, right away | 06:25 |
| mdz | but it's easy | 06:25 |
| sabdfl | should reference ubuntu, linux, gnome, debian, openoffice I think | 06:25 |
| sabdfl | what url for linux? | 06:25 |
| Kamion | there've been installer changes today which should be safe but I'd like a bit of testing tonight | 06:26 |
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| mdz | whichever URL for Linux we use on the website | 06:26 |
| Kamion | mostly the base-installer thing for mdz | 06:26 |
| sabdfl | i don't know that we do | 06:26 |
| highvoltage | will Ubuntu 4.1 support Propability drive? | 06:26 |
| mdz | highvoltage: only finite improbability | 06:26 |
| Kamion | it's 4.10 :) | 06:26 |
| mdz | the infinite improbability drive is a Hoary problem | 06:26 |
| sivang | sabdfl : sorring, reading scrollback before | 06:26 |
| Kamion | hmm, we could time-travel and release in January 2004 | 06:26 |
| highvoltage | Kamion: sorry- my floating point support is still under development | 06:27 |
| Kamion | mdz: really HOT cup of tea | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | that would be 4.01 | 06:27 |
| highvoltage | that would be nice :) | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | k let's move on | 06:27 |
| mdz | the 4.1 vs. 4.10 thing comes up a lot | 06:27 |
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| Kamion | aye. highvoltage, use fixed-point :) | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | release process | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | what times? | 06:27 |
| mdz | sabdfl: shall we load-test the website before the release announcement this time? | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | how do we do that? | 06:28 |
| Kamion | CD build tonight earliest of (2000 UTC, whenever-artwork-hits) | 06:28 |
| highvoltage | slashdot :) | 06:28 |
| Kamion | heavy testing | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | i'm working on a wiki page: | 06:28 |
| mdz | sabdfl: a few folks on nearby fast links | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess | 06:28 |
| mdz | hammering with ab or something simple like that | 06:28 |
| Kamion | do we use tomorrow's daily, or tonight's build? | 06:28 |
| Keybuk | mdz: aren't 1922 and 2261 both the same bug? | 06:28 |
| Kamion | ab tends to max out the client | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | kamion: tonight's unless mdz finds a problem | 06:28 |
| mdz | Keybuk: dunno, haven't looked at either one, please make the less informative one a dupe if so | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | sivang says he's sent a draft to jdub, i'll need to review please | 06:29 |
| Kamion | then we'd better make sure that http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/ is clear | 06:29 |
| Keybuk | mdz: they're both RC | 06:29 |
| Kamion | which it currently isn't | 06:29 |
| Kamion | evolution and firefox locale problems | 06:29 |
| mdz | Keybuk: one has the thermal modules failing immediately, the other has kacpid randomly spinning off into nowhere-land | 06:29 |
| sabdfl | let's let the tech board decide when it's ready to go, CC just needs to agree the process | 06:30 |
| mdz | elmo: do you have contact information for all mirrors? | 06:30 |
| thom | for firefox locale, i think the best fix is just to remove -es and -gl, sadly | 06:30 |
| mdz | I added a note to the wiki requesting it | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | mdz: the reason the fans don't start is because kacpid is spinning -- or perhaps kacpid is spinning because the fans won't start (pick one) | 06:30 |
| elmo | mdz: err, no, how could I ? | 06:30 |
| elmo | mdz: I have a bunch of mails from folks, but it's not nor ever going to be 'all' mirrors | 06:30 |
| mdz | elmo: you know what I mean | 06:31 |
| mdz | the ones we list on our web pages | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | the NC6000 and NC8000 are, for all intents and purposes, identical laptops (and identical to my NC4010 which exibits the same problems) | 06:31 |
| carlos | thom: What's the exact problem with them? | 06:31 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I didn't see a mention of kacpid spinning in 2261, but please mark it as a dupe if I missed something | 06:32 |
| carlos | thom: bug number? | 06:32 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: so build will be ready UTC2000 | 06:32 |
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| mdz | Kamion, thom: do we need to generate torrents by hand, or is that fully automated now? | 06:32 |
| sabdfl | can we announce that build on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu and mailing lists | 06:32 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: that's earliest start time, not finish time | 06:32 |
| Kamion | mdz: fully automated | 06:33 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: UTC 2200? | 06:33 |
| Kamion | but we don't have jigdo yet (crap, I need to forward that mail from Steve to thom+elmo, will do so after the meeting | 06:33 |
| Kamion | ) | 06:33 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: sounds like a reasonably conservative estimate | 06:33 |
| sabdfl | le's not worry about jigdo at this point, hoary problem | 06:33 |
| sabdfl | kamion: ok UTC 2200 | 06:34 |
| thom | carlos: we don't have them for firefox 0.9 | 06:34 |
| thom | the ones in unstable are for 0.8, and i've not found 0.9 ones | 06:34 |
| Kamion | we have nearly all the pieces for jigdo, it's a very short piece of assembly now | 06:34 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: will you please announce that to lists and irc and ask the willing to test and report any showstoppers? | 06:34 |
| thom | if you can point me in the right place i'll look after the meeting | 06:34 |
| mdz | let's leave ourselves some slack for a second build&test cycle | 06:34 |
| Kamion | I think we should try given Steve's effort, and we can always finish it after release if need be | 06:34 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: unnecessary distraction tonight | 06:34 |
| Kamion | mdz: 2200 is loads of slack :) | 06:34 |
| carlos | thom: ok, let me check | 06:34 |
| mdz | FYI, we do not currently have any last-minute surprises of the sort that we expected for the preview | 06:34 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: let's say a post-RC problem rather than a hoary problem then, this doesn't need archive changes so doesn't need to be bumped as far as hoary | 06:35 |
| sabdfl | ok, ten how long do we want to leave that open for testing before we publish the RC? | 06:35 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: agreed | 06:35 |
| sabdfl | we can do it this week no problem | 06:35 |
| mdz | realistically it takes a bit over an hour to get a full set built, downloaded and tested | 06:36 |
| Kamion | mdz: that was at full panicky tilt :) | 06:36 |
| sabdfl | will take people an hour to download | 06:36 |
| sabdfl | and maybe an hour to install and play | 06:36 |
| Kamion | I hadn't even finished a single install when we released the preview, FWIW | 06:36 |
| sabdfl | and an hour to report | 06:36 |
| sabdfl | so lets give it 8 hours of testing, taking us through to 0600 UTC | 06:37 |
| mdz | long night for UK folks :-) | 06:37 |
| sabdfl | sounds like a good time to move it to the right place in the archive as RC | 06:37 |
| sabdfl | or as final | 06:37 |
| Kamion | elmo: can I talk to you after the meeting about the simple cdimage rsync layout? | 06:38 |
| mdz | sabdfl: can we get some committed time from non-ubuntu Canonical folks to test the RC? | 06:38 |
| sabdfl | mdz: good idea, yes | 06:38 |
| elmo | kamion: sure? | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | will a copy of this meeting be available for download? | 06:38 |
| mdz | highvoltage: it's logged in the same place as other ubuntu channels | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | ah, ok. thanks | 06:39 |
| sabdfl | so if we publish it in the right place at 0600 UTC, how long before the mirrors have it? | 06:39 |
| sabdfl | i'd like the web page to list as many mirrors as possible when it gets /.d | 06:39 |
| sabdfl | both of them, at least :-p | 06:39 |
| mdz | there are 8 mirrors in the wiki | 06:40 |
| mdz | elmo: how many of those do you have contact info for? | 06:40 |
| sabdfl | cool! | 06:40 |
| sabdfl | so what's the optimal release time? | 06:41 |
| mdz | we have no idea what their sync schedule is | 06:41 |
| sabdfl | we want the US awake I guess, but we don't want Europe more asleep than usual | 06:41 |
| mdz | they're just mirrors that people have added to the wiki | 06:41 |
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| elmo | there's no way we can assume any sort of schedule for the mirrors | 06:41 |
| elmo | we either have to sit on the RC for a day, or take the hit from it not being on most of the mirrors | 06:41 |
| sabdfl | ok, but i suppose we could kee an eye on them, and as they populate we could manually add them to the page | 06:42 |
| sabdfl | i'd like direct links to the right directory from the download page | 06:42 |
| mdz | elmo: but if we have an email address, we can tell them about the RC and try to get a commitment for a timely update | 06:42 |
| Kamion | or there's the "release on the 20th" approach ... | 06:42 |
| elmo | mdz: err, these guys are mirrors, just like Debian mirrors. | 06:42 |
| sabdfl | what about naming? if we call it -rc it will take another sync cycle before they get it as final | 06:42 |
| elmo | I don't know what makes you think we can ask for a commitment on anything, least of all < 24 hours before we want it to happen | 06:43 |
| sabdfl | so best we be certain | 06:43 |
| sabdfl | elmo: chill | 06:43 |
| mdz | elmo: I don't see how it can hurt to ask; it's easy to verify whether they have it or not before we put them on the web page | 06:43 |
| sabdfl | we'll simply update the web page manually as they sync | 06:43 |
| justdave | OSUOSL will pull on a dime if you ask them to | 06:43 |
| justdave | don't know about the others | 06:43 |
| elmo | justdave: no, they won't | 06:43 |
| sabdfl | OSUOSL is not mirroring, i don't think | 06:43 |
| sabdfl | they only mirror community projects | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | and red hat | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | and suse | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 06:44 |
| justdave | oh, they're not? okay, thought I heard they were earlier | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | i'm sure they will, soon | 06:44 |
| elmo | mdz: I think it's offensive to ask, but mileage clearly varies | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | elmo: agreed | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | although I can nudge the safricans | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | let's not ask unless it's a mate | 06:44 |
| highvoltage | I'm a safrican | 06:44 |
| mdz | works for me | 06:44 |
| sabdfl | anyhow, we have 1 gbit/s if we can saturate it from London | 06:45 |
| sabdfl | there are no caps on that link | 06:45 |
| mdz | we'll saturate end-to-end paths first | 06:45 |
| Henrik | When I release TheOpenCD I always send a polite email to the mirrors, and the response is usually good | 06:45 |
| sabdfl | elmo: can we push out 1 gbit/s from auckland? | 06:45 |
| elmo | sabdfl: no | 06:45 |
| elmo | the HW can't do it | 06:45 |
| sabdfl | what's the limit? | 06:45 |
| sabdfl | is auckland on 2.6.8.1? | 06:46 |
| mdz | the I/O on that box isn't even close | 06:46 |
| Keybuk | I imagine you just can't shovel 1Gbps from the disk, across the bus and out the nic | 06:46 |
| elmo | sabdfl: no | 06:46 |
| mdz | from the disk, certainly not | 06:46 |
| sabdfl | ok, let's not rock the boatnow | 06:46 |
| elmo | it was one of the "don't touch" boxes | 06:46 |
| mdz | that's over 100mbyte/sec | 06:46 |
| mdz | of course, that stuff should all be in RAM... | 06:47 |
| elmo | it can do 35MB/s sustained | 06:47 |
| sabdfl | hmm... but a lot of it should be in RAM | 06:47 |
| mdz | that's fairly crap considering the class of hardware | 06:47 |
| elmo | what on earth do you think is going to be in RAM? we'll be lucky if it keeps the few commonly hit things we have in RAM | 06:47 |
| mdz | elmo: it doesn't have the requisite terabyte of RAM? | 06:47 |
| sabdfl | hmmm... that's a surprisingly low number | 06:47 |
| mdz | we're talking about ~0.5GB of stuff that'll be hit HARD | 06:48 |
| sabdfl | i would have though the iso would be in the filesystem cache | 06:48 |
| elmo | mdz: what do you think that 0.5Gb is? | 06:48 |
| mdz | elmo: the i386 CD image | 06:48 |
| Kamion | mdz: how about the archive? that's going to be hit fairly hard too | 06:48 |
| elmo | and all the random .debs from the 24Gb archive.. it'sgoing to know to not bring those into memory too? | 06:48 |
| sabdfl | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess#preview | 06:49 |
| mdz | I don't see why the rest-of-the-archive load would be _that_ much higher | 06:49 |
| mdz | there will be very few folks doing pure network installs, there'll be very little to upgrade, so it's basically just new package installs from supported/universe | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | mdz: the point is, as soon as one person does one, it'll punt the iso image out of the page cache to make room | 06:50 |
| elmo | you're assuming all our existing users are current | 06:50 |
| elmo | and auckland is busy 24/7 with downloads | 06:50 |
| elmo | the HD lights literally do not go out nowadays | 06:50 |
| mdz | I'm not; I'm assuming the load caused by our existing users won't change much | 06:50 |
| elmo | it might not change, but I think you're seriously underestimating it, if you think it won't be enough to push the i386 ISO out of cache | 06:50 |
| Kamion | I think most of them will go and hit apt-get upgrade as soon as the announcement goes out | 06:50 |
| sabdfl | are you guys happy to announce at 1200 UTC? | 06:51 |
| elmo | like, right now it's serving 80Mb/s | 06:51 |
| elmo | if we really want to serve the ISO out of RAM, we should put it on a different, dedicated box, IMO | 06:51 |
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| elmo | I don't see how else we can guarantee dedicated cache mem for it | 06:51 |
| mdz | mako just called, says he'll be on in a few | 06:52 |
| sabdfl | elmo: promse to get you better h/w for Hoary. if there's no way to load balance this now, let's just see how it goes | 06:52 |
| mdz | sabdfl: 1200 works for me | 06:52 |
| sabdfl | mdz: early | 06:52 |
| Kamion | I think we should review that at around 0200, see how things are going | 06:52 |
| sabdfl | but then, maybe that makes it easier on the bandwidth? | 06:52 |
| sabdfl | in fact, an earlier announcement will tend to make the bandwidth move in a wave with timezones | 06:53 |
| mdz | elmo: we do have a few spares, do we have one which is installed and online that we could use in that role? | 06:53 |
| elmo | we could put it on one of the dell's/HP's sure | 06:53 |
| sabdfl | elmo: it could just be a temp web server, which ONLY serves the release directory (i386, ppc, amd64, livecd) | 06:53 |
| sabdfl | and we point the web page at that | 06:53 |
| sabdfl | auckland can continue to serve the crowd | 06:54 |
| sabdfl | mirrors continue as per usual | 06:54 |
| mdz | elmo: we could also put a squid accelerator in for cdimage only | 06:54 |
| sabdfl | that way we get 35MB/s packages, and at least the same ISO's | 06:54 |
| sabdfl | simpler to have a second server | 06:54 |
| Kamion | [debian-installer upload complete; should start building shortly.] | 06:54 |
| sabdfl | elmo: want to stress test a dell? they're the fastest boxes, remember | 06:55 |
| sabdfl | kthxbye :-) | 06:55 |
| mdz | auckland wasn't up to it for the preview; it's not clear how big the RC will be | 06:55 |
| mdz | it if ends up being final, I expect it'll be bigger than preview | 06:55 |
| Keybuk | sabdfl: you want to break it? | 06:55 |
| sabdfl | oh, ok, hp then | 06:55 |
| mdz | don't hurt the poor Dell | 06:55 |
| sabdfl | maybe we should load up an hp and a dell | 06:55 |
| sabdfl | and be ready to switch if there's a glitch | 06:55 |
| sabdfl | ok, so let's talk media | 06:56 |
| elmo | mdz: how do you mean not up for it? | 06:56 |
| thom | rsync them and round robin the cdimage record *shrug* | 06:56 |
| elmo | the box itself coped fine - apache didn't but that was a misconfig which has been fixed now AFAIK | 06:56 |
| sabdfl | lwn, debian lists, ubuntu lists, python lists | 06:56 |
| sabdfl | where else? | 06:57 |
| mdz | elmo: so apart from the uplink being maxed out, everything was hunky dory? | 06:57 |
| thom | /. ? | 06:57 |
| ogra | sabdfl: german heise | 06:57 |
| elmo | mdz: on auckland? yes | 06:57 |
| mdz | it was slow when I tried to access it from chinstrap at the time | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | distrowatch, slashdot, osnews, jdub has a list of things | 06:57 |
| sabdfl | thom: i don't know if the CSS / JS issue has been solved | 06:57 |
| mdz | but that could have been the apache problem, I suppose | 06:57 |
| thom | sabdfl: it appears to have been | 06:57 |
| elmo | mdz: ftp was fine from chinstrap | 06:57 |
| sabdfl | ok, will get jdub to add to the list when he's up | 06:57 |
| sabdfl | speaking of which, we can't go without jdub being awake | 06:57 |
| sabdfl | he has the homepage and the artwork | 06:57 |
| sabdfl | thom: great, thanks | 06:58 |
| Keybuk | (btw, did anyone else we passed Gentoo in the Distrowatch chart? :p) | 06:58 |
| mdz | that stuff needs to go in well before the final build anyway | 06:58 |
| elmo | we should ship everyone to one place for these releases to defeat timezones | 06:58 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I noticed we were top 10 like 2 weeks ago | 06:58 |
| Keybuk | mdz: we're #7 now | 06:58 |
| mdz | we were #9 then | 06:58 |
| mdz | not bad for a <1-month old distribution | 06:58 |
| thom | sabdfl: ie, everything is being served from the apache cache, and we're able to sustain 70 requests/sec from off network | 06:58 |
| sabdfl | great | 06:59 |
| mdz | elmo: the international ubuntu command and control center | 06:59 |
| mdz | or IUCC (pronounced "yuck") | 06:59 |
| sivang | :)) | 06:59 |
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| mdz | mako: we're going over specifics of the release announcements | 07:00 |
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| mako | mdz: i will catch up on the log | 07:00 |
| elmo | mdz: is cricket meant to DTRT with Gb ? | 07:00 |
| sabdfl | ok, i'm all done, anything from the tech board? | 07:00 |
| mdz | elmo: depends | 07:01 |
| mdz | elmo: do you have 64-bit snmp counters available? | 07:01 |
| elmo | mdz: err, I dunno | 07:01 |
| sabdfl | mdz: all yours to sign off on the release | 07:01 |
| sabdfl | i'd like a say if it's going to be final as well | 07:01 |
| mdz | ok | 07:01 |
| sabdfl | artwork, and homepage, and i'm happy | 07:01 |
| sabdfl | Keybuk: the calendar thing is ready to rock, right? | 07:01 |
| mdz | I have my Big Red Launch Button prepared | 07:01 |
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| Keybuk | sabdfl: yeah, provided jdub sets the artwork up right -- I left sufficient documentation in the package | 07:02 |
| sabdfl | ok | 07:02 |
| sabdfl | will you verify when he's up and the artwork is in for mdz? | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | yup, sure | 07:02 |
| sabdfl | ok | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | it needs to be made the default in the default session too? | 07:02 |
| sabdfl | mako, elmo, anything from you guys? | 07:02 |
| mdz | elmo: did you get some sleep? | 07:03 |
| mako | no.. not right now | 07:03 |
| sabdfl | i'm going to try to get six hours sleep tonight to be fresh for the announcements | 07:03 |
| elmo | sabdfl: no, don't think so | 07:03 |
| elmo | mdz: not enough to prepare for the next 24 hours, I suspect :P | 07:03 |
| sabdfl | will be drafting announcements in the morning, mako, jdub wiki-fy your ideas and i'll work over them | 07:03 |
| mdz | I plan to try for at least a 20-minute nap myself | 07:04 |
| sabdfl | ok, we're done. good luck guys | 07:04 |
| mdz | lessons learned and all that | 07:04 |
| mako | again: sorry i missed the meeting.. | 07:04 |
| mako | i'll reread everything and write a summary as i did two weeks ago | 07:04 |
| sabdfl | thanks mako | 07:04 |
| sabdfl | anything from guests? | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | just checked, the calendar is the default -- so we just need the artwork | 07:05 |
| sabdfl | calendar should not be defailt | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | shouldn't it? | 07:05 |
| sabdfl | we have one with just the ubuntu logo | 07:05 |
| sabdfl | will get fewer right wing emails that way | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | that'll need a seb-upload to change | 07:05 |
| sabdfl | ok, Keybuk please coordinate | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | actually, jdub can probably do that one | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | it's just a schema change | 07:06 |
| sabdfl | ok | 07:06 |
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| pitti | BTW, somebody asked for 2.8.1 gnome packages | 07:06 |
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