[04:08] <highvoltage> hi guys. the meeting here starts in two hours, right? is anyone welcome?
[04:11] <thom> yep
[04:12] <thom> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/council/document_view
[04:12] <highvoltage> thanks
[05:07] <hornbeck> Is the meeting in one hour?
[05:08] <thom> yeah
[05:59] <sivang> and it starts...
[06:01] <sabdfl> still missing a few
[06:01] <sabdfl> Kamion, elmo, mako
[06:01] <sivang> who?
[06:01] <sabdfl> one down
[06:01] <sivang> yep
[06:02] <sivang> paged mako
[06:02] <sabdfl> anybody seen mako this morning?
[06:02] <sivang> ah, he's 20hrs idle..
[06:03] <highvoltage> anyone have his phone number :)
[06:03] <sabdfl> i think he was up late last night
[06:03] <mdz> I can SMS Him
[06:03] <sabdfl> mdz: go for it
[06:04] <sabdfl> should we begin sans elmo and mako?
[06:04] <sabdfl> hopefully they will join us. elmo is certainly needed for the release process infrastructure
[06:05] <Keybuk> elmo was around a short while ago
[06:05] <sabdfl> hey Keybuk
[06:05] <sabdfl> let's start, elmo will catch up on scrollback
[06:05] <mdz> messaged him; the number I have for him is still a Seattle number, though
[06:05] <mdz> hopefully he hasn't changed it yet
[06:05] <sivang> i have already did
[06:06] <sabdfl> oh, i forgot he's on east coast time now, should *def* be up
[06:06] <sabdfl> well lets start
[06:06] <sabdfl> agenda
[06:06] <sabdfl> i put a few thoughts down this morning, there was nothing there yet
[06:06] <mdz> mako says he's 20-30 minutes away
[06:07] <sabdfl> let's try to keep this one short, we all have release work to do i suspect
[06:07] <sabdfl> sivang has this afternoon proposed Documentation Team and Accessibility Team discussion, but i'd like to defer till the next meeting
[06:07] <mdz> seconded :-)
[06:08] <sabdfl> sivang: these are mainly Hoary goals, we need to get Warty out the door
[06:08] <sivang> I see.
[06:08] <sabdfl> also sivang i didn't see any mention of enrico in your wiki pages, it's really important that he be in the loop, i dont want to have two separate teams
[06:09] <sivang> sabdfl : I have tried contacting him, he hasn't replied me yet.
[06:09] <sabdfl> sivang: feel free to ping me privately on irc with an update over the next week
[06:09] <sivang> sabdfl : I don't mind postponing it for the next meeting, I will try to get in contact with again.
[06:10] <sabdfl> i'll ask him to respond to you
[06:10] <sabdfl> ok
[06:10] <sabdfl> so: warty release
[06:10] <sivang> ok, that'll be swell, I just think we need to formalize this..
[06:10] <sabdfl> mdz, want to give us the rundown?
[06:10] <mdz> ok
[06:10] <mdz> overall, we seem to be in good shape for tomorrow
[06:11] <mdz> final artwork integration remains to be done
[06:11] <mdz> and there is one big bug left on the live CD
[06:11] <sabdfl> on the artwork
[06:11] <mdz> nothing else that would upset me if we missed it for tomorrow
[06:11] <sabdfl> sent a set of images to jdub this morning
[06:11] <sabdfl> missing one final image which i think just arrived in my inbox...
[06:11] <Keybuk> are all the GNOME 2.8.1 tarballs in?
[06:12] <Keybuk> (in upstream, as well as in warty)
[06:12] <sabdfl> yes
[06:12] <mdz> I don't have a list, but seb has uploaded many
[06:12] <sabdfl> need to massage formats, but will get it to jdub this evening
[06:12] <Kamion> evolution-data-server failed to build on amd64, may need attention, I think seb128 has clocked off for a while
[06:12] <sabdfl> Keybuk: could you ping seb128 and confirm?
[06:13] <Keybuk> yeah will ask him when he's back online
[06:13] <Keybuk> I don't know whether they've all trickled in upstream yet, either.  He'd know, I expect
[06:13] <sabdfl> ok, so that remains to be confirmed
[06:13] <sabdfl> what's the big bug in the live cd?
[06:14] <mdz> hal doesn't start
[06:14] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1990
[06:14] <mdz> alex says he will have a workaround tomorrow
[06:14] <pitti> I would have liked to debug this, but I don't even come this far with the Life CD
[06:14] <mdz> but that leaves us with no time to test the live CD; hopefully there are no regressions
[06:14] <mdz> pitti: I already debugged it for him
[06:14] <mdz> he knows what to do
[06:15] <mdz> but currently it seems that alex is the only one who can build a working live CD
[06:15] <mdz> the autobuilding scripts do not produce a working image yet
[06:15] <pitti> BTW, regarding the life CD: shall #2292 regarded as major?
[06:15] <pitti> seems to work for some users, so probably not
[06:15] <mdz> I don't know, you just reported it today and I haven't read my mail yet :-)
[06:16] <pitti> but I don't know how many people actually tested it
[06:16] <mdz> it works well for me
[06:16] <pitti> okay, then we defer that
[06:16] <sabdfl> ok, got the final image, and will get it to jdub immediately
[06:16] <mdz> and there have been many downloads, but no other reports
[06:17] <highvoltage> If I may ask, have the APM kernel support problems been sorted out?
[06:17] <sabdfl> would we like the RC to be good enough to be a release if we get no new major reports?
[06:17] <sabdfl> highvoltage: do you have a bug #?
[06:17] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[06:17] <highvoltage> sabdfl: I'll go check...
[06:17] <sabdfl> i agree
[06:17] <mdz> I would very much like to release the RC as final
[06:18] <sabdfl> tomorrow, or by certifying it that way on 20th?
[06:18] <mdz> the live CD is my biggest concern there
[06:18] <mdz> sabdfl: well, it'd just be too cute for it to go out on my birthday...:-)
[06:19] <mdz> let's see how we feel about the RC once it's in hand
[06:19] <highvoltage> sabdfl: The problem I've experienced relate to bug: 1890 and bug 2002
[06:19] <sabdfl> do you want to actually announce it as the final tomorrow?
[06:19] <Kamion> the installation manual is still very raw; I've made a fair effort at branding it, but it's very recent and few people have looked at it
[06:19] <mdz> I don't want to commit to that until I've seen the RC
[06:19] <mdz> but I think we should be open to the possibility
[06:20] <sabdfl> ok, i think this is optimistic, but share the feeling it would be *great* to get it out the door
[06:20] <sabdfl> so working on that basis....
[06:20] <mdz> Kamion: the installation manual isn't shipped on the CD, so it can slip
[06:20] <sabdfl> what time can we build it tonight?
[06:20] <Kamion> mdz: look more closely :)
[06:20] <sabdfl> I think it shold get at least a "Release Candidate Candidate" announcement and overnight smash testing by #ubuntu
[06:20] <mdz> in theory, both Kamion and I can build CDs
[06:21] <mdz> Kamion: ah, right.  nobody reads that copy, though :-)
[06:21] <sabdfl> ah, 24x7, i like it :-)
[06:21] <mdz> so between us, we have fairly continuous time zone coverage
[06:21] <Kamion> sabdfl: we need one more debian-installer upload, which I have in hand
[06:21] <Kamion> sabdfl: but I'm waiting for a few last builds first
[06:21] <mdz> and then elmo needs to process it by hand
[06:21] <Kamion> let's say c. 2000 UTC
[06:21] <sabdfl> ok, so artwork needs to get in, anything else?
[06:21] <sabdfl> will jdub be around before then?
[06:21] <Kamion> mdz: I'll be up all night if necessary anyway, same as preview
[06:22] <Kamion> got plenty of sleep last night in prep :)
[06:22] <mdz> our kernel isn't 100% on every single piece of hardware that's been tested yet, but that was a rather optimistic goal
[06:22] <sabdfl> is it... a little warty?
[06:22] <Kamion> USB keyboards still appear intermittently screwed, see bugs
[06:22] <mdz> that's currently 5 of the remaining RC bugs
[06:22] <sabdfl> is Herbert up for it?
[06:22] <mdz> these problems just take a long time to debug, due to the back-and-forth with the reporter
[06:23] <mdz> if we could mail herbert a clone of each machine that failed, I expect they'd be fixed quickly :-)
[06:23] <sabdfl> teleportation is now just an engineering problem, you know
[06:23] <mdz> what about that pesky Uncertainty Principle?
[06:23] <Keybuk> Heisenberg Compensators, you can get them on e-bay
[06:24] <mdz> the Heisenberg Comp...
[06:24] <sabdfl> mdz: are you willing to sign off on it with the RC bugs that exist? downgrading those to "slipped"
[06:24] <mdz> Kamion: beat me to it
[06:24] <Kamion> the problem with the USB keyboard bugs is that they're totally impossible to debug because no interaction with the machine is possible
[06:24] <sabdfl> schweet
[06:24] <Kamion> mdz: YM Keybuk?
[06:24] <mdz> sabdfl: I'm going to downgrade the kernel stuff right now
[06:24] <mdz> Kamion: yes
[06:24] <Henrik> mdz: You don't have to transport exact info on each particle, just molecules. So, that's ok.
[06:24] <sabdfl> hmm... bummer is, the guy never even makes it to the point where he can download updated packages, does he?
[06:24] <mdz> another bug currently marked RC is the lack of a local copy of the default browser start page
[06:25] <sabdfl> sivang: ?
[06:25] <hornbeck> jdub has it
[06:25] <mdz> I don't feel particularly RC about that one today
[06:25] <sabdfl> i can draft the copy, right away
[06:25] <mdz> but it's easy
[06:25] <sabdfl> should reference ubuntu, linux, gnome, debian, openoffice I think
[06:25] <sabdfl> what url for linux?
[06:26] <Kamion> there've been installer changes today which should be safe but I'd like a bit of testing tonight
[06:26] <mdz> whichever URL for Linux we use on the website
[06:26] <Kamion> mostly the base-installer thing for mdz
[06:26] <sabdfl> i don't know that we do
[06:26] <highvoltage> will Ubuntu 4.1 support Propability drive?
[06:26] <mdz> highvoltage: only finite improbability
[06:26] <Kamion> it's 4.10 :)
[06:26] <mdz> the infinite improbability drive is a Hoary problem
[06:26] <sivang> sabdfl : sorring, reading scrollback before
[06:26] <Kamion> hmm, we could time-travel and release in January 2004
[06:27] <highvoltage> Kamion: sorry- my floating point support is still under development
[06:27] <Kamion> mdz: really HOT cup of tea
[06:27] <sabdfl> that would be 4.01
[06:27] <highvoltage> that would be nice :)
[06:27] <sabdfl> k let's move on
[06:27] <mdz> the 4.1 vs. 4.10 thing comes up a lot
[06:27] <Kamion> aye. highvoltage, use fixed-point :)
[06:27] <sabdfl> release process
[06:27] <sabdfl> what times?
[06:27] <mdz> sabdfl: shall we load-test the website before the release announcement this time?
[06:28] <sabdfl> how do we do that?
[06:28] <Kamion> CD build tonight earliest of (2000 UTC, whenever-artwork-hits)
[06:28] <highvoltage> slashdot :)
[06:28] <Kamion> heavy testing
[06:28] <sabdfl> i'm working on a wiki page:
[06:28] <mdz> sabdfl: a few folks on nearby fast links
[06:28] <sabdfl> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess
[06:28] <mdz> hammering with ab or something simple like that
[06:28] <Kamion> do we use tomorrow's daily, or tonight's build?
[06:28] <Keybuk> mdz: aren't 1922 and 2261 both the same bug?
[06:28] <Kamion> ab tends to max out the client
[06:28] <sabdfl> kamion: tonight's unless mdz finds a problem
[06:28] <mdz> Keybuk: dunno, haven't looked at either one, please make the less informative one a dupe if so
[06:29] <sabdfl> sivang says he's sent a draft to jdub, i'll need to review please
[06:29] <Kamion> then we'd better make sure that http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/ is clear
[06:29] <Keybuk> mdz: they're both RC
[06:29] <Kamion> which it currently isn't
[06:29] <Kamion> evolution and firefox locale problems
[06:29] <mdz> Keybuk: one has the thermal modules failing immediately, the other has kacpid randomly spinning off into nowhere-land
[06:30] <sabdfl> let's let the tech board decide when it's ready to go, CC just needs to agree the process
[06:30] <mdz> elmo: do you have contact information for all mirrors?
[06:30] <thom> for firefox locale, i think the best fix is just to remove -es and -gl, sadly
[06:30] <mdz> I added a note to the wiki requesting it
[06:30] <Keybuk> mdz: the reason the fans don't start is because kacpid is spinning -- or perhaps kacpid is spinning because the fans won't start (pick one)
[06:30] <elmo> mdz: err, no, how could I ?
[06:30] <elmo> mdz: I have a bunch of mails from folks, but it's not nor ever going to be 'all' mirrors
[06:31] <mdz> elmo: you know what I mean
[06:31] <mdz> the ones we list on our web pages
[06:31] <Keybuk> the NC6000 and NC8000 are, for all intents and purposes, identical laptops (and identical to my NC4010 which exibits the same problems)
[06:31] <carlos> thom: What's the exact problem with them?
[06:32] <mdz> Keybuk: I didn't see a mention of kacpid spinning in 2261, but please mark it as a dupe if I missed something
[06:32] <carlos> thom: bug number?
[06:32] <sabdfl> Kamion: so build will be ready UTC2000
[06:32] <mdz> Kamion, thom: do we need to generate torrents by hand, or is that fully automated now?
[06:32] <sabdfl> can we announce that build on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu and mailing lists
[06:32] <Kamion> sabdfl: that's earliest start time, not finish time
[06:33] <Kamion> mdz: fully automated
[06:33] <sabdfl> Kamion: UTC 2200?
[06:33] <Kamion> but we don't have jigdo yet (crap, I need to forward that mail from Steve to thom+elmo, will do so after the meeting
[06:33] <Kamion> )
[06:33] <Kamion> sabdfl: sounds like a reasonably conservative estimate
[06:33] <sabdfl> le's not worry about jigdo at this point, hoary problem
[06:34] <sabdfl> kamion: ok UTC 2200
[06:34] <thom> carlos: we don't have them for firefox 0.9
[06:34] <thom> the ones in unstable are for 0.8, and i've not found 0.9 ones
[06:34] <Kamion> we have nearly all the pieces for jigdo, it's a very short piece of assembly now
[06:34] <sabdfl> Kamion: will you please announce that to lists and irc and ask the willing to test and report any showstoppers?
[06:34] <thom> if you can point me in the right place i'll look after the meeting
[06:34] <mdz> let's leave ourselves some slack for a second build&test cycle
[06:34] <Kamion> I think we should try given Steve's effort, and we can always finish it after release if need be
[06:34] <sabdfl> Kamion: unnecessary distraction tonight
[06:34] <Kamion> mdz: 2200 is loads of slack :)
[06:34] <carlos> thom: ok, let me check
[06:34] <mdz> FYI, we do not currently have any last-minute surprises of the sort that we expected for the preview
[06:35] <Kamion> sabdfl: let's say a post-RC problem rather than a hoary problem then, this doesn't need archive changes so doesn't need to be bumped as far as hoary
[06:35] <sabdfl> ok, ten how long do we want to leave that open for testing before we publish the RC?
[06:35] <sabdfl> Kamion: agreed
[06:35] <sabdfl> we can do it this week no problem
[06:36] <mdz> realistically it takes a bit over an hour to get a full set built, downloaded and tested
[06:36] <Kamion> mdz: that was at full panicky tilt :)
[06:36] <sabdfl> will take people an hour to download
[06:36] <sabdfl> and maybe an hour to install and play
[06:36] <Kamion> I hadn't even finished a single install when we released the preview, FWIW
[06:36] <sabdfl> and an hour to report
[06:37] <sabdfl> so lets give it 8 hours of testing, taking us through to 0600 UTC
[06:37] <mdz> long night for UK folks :-)
[06:37] <sabdfl> sounds like a good time to move it to the right place in the archive as RC
[06:37] <sabdfl> or as final
[06:38] <Kamion> elmo: can I talk to you after the meeting about the simple cdimage rsync layout?
[06:38] <mdz> sabdfl: can we get some committed time from non-ubuntu Canonical folks to test the RC?
[06:38] <sabdfl> mdz: good idea, yes
[06:38] <elmo> kamion: sure?
[06:38] <highvoltage> will a copy of this meeting be available for download?
[06:39] <mdz> highvoltage: it's logged in the same place as other ubuntu channels
[06:39] <highvoltage> ah, ok. thanks
[06:39] <sabdfl> so if we publish it in the right place at 0600 UTC, how long before the mirrors have it?
[06:39] <sabdfl> i'd like the web page to list as many mirrors as possible when it gets /.d
[06:39] <sabdfl> both of them, at least :-p
[06:40] <mdz> there are 8 mirrors in the wiki
[06:40] <mdz> elmo: how many of those do you have contact info for?
[06:40] <sabdfl> cool!
[06:41] <sabdfl> so what's the optimal release time?
[06:41] <mdz> we have no idea what their sync schedule is
[06:41] <sabdfl> we want the US awake I guess, but we don't want Europe more asleep than usual
[06:41] <mdz> they're just mirrors that people have added to the wiki
[06:41] <elmo> there's no way we can assume any sort of schedule for the mirrors
[06:41] <elmo> we either have to sit on the RC for a day, or take the hit from it not being on most of the mirrors
[06:42] <sabdfl> ok, but i suppose we could kee an eye on them, and as they populate we could manually add them to the page
[06:42] <sabdfl> i'd like direct links to the right directory from the download page
[06:42] <mdz> elmo: but if we have an email address, we can tell them about the RC and try to get a commitment for a timely update
[06:42] <Kamion> or there's the "release on the 20th" approach ...
[06:42] <elmo> mdz: err, these guys are mirrors, just like Debian mirrors.  
[06:42] <sabdfl> what about naming? if we call it -rc it will take another sync cycle before they get it as final
[06:43] <elmo> I don't know what makes you think we can ask for a commitment on anything, least of all < 24 hours before we want it to happen
[06:43] <sabdfl> so best we be certain
[06:43] <sabdfl> elmo: chill
[06:43] <mdz> elmo: I don't see how it can hurt to ask; it's easy to verify whether they have it or not before we put them on the web page
[06:43] <sabdfl> we'll simply update the web page manually as they sync
[06:43] <justdave> OSUOSL will pull on a dime if you ask them to
[06:43] <justdave> don't know about the others
[06:43] <elmo> justdave: no, they won't
[06:43] <sabdfl> OSUOSL is not mirroring, i don't think
[06:44] <sabdfl> they only mirror community projects
[06:44] <sabdfl> and red hat
[06:44] <sabdfl> and suse
[06:44] <sabdfl> :-)
[06:44] <justdave> oh, they're not?  okay, thought I heard they were earlier
[06:44] <sabdfl> i'm sure they will, soon
[06:44] <elmo> mdz: I think it's offensive to ask, but mileage clearly varies
[06:44] <sabdfl> elmo: agreed
[06:44] <sabdfl> although I can nudge the safricans
[06:44] <sabdfl> let's not ask unless it's a mate
[06:44] <highvoltage> I'm a safrican
[06:44] <mdz> works for me
[06:45] <sabdfl> anyhow, we have 1 gbit/s if we can saturate it from London
[06:45] <sabdfl> there are no caps on that link
[06:45] <mdz> we'll saturate end-to-end paths first
[06:45] <Henrik> When I release TheOpenCD I always send a polite email to the mirrors, and the response is usually good
[06:45] <sabdfl> elmo: can we push out 1 gbit/s from auckland?
[06:45] <elmo> sabdfl: no
[06:45] <elmo> the HW can't do it
[06:45] <sabdfl> what's the limit?
[06:46] <sabdfl> is auckland on 2.6.8.1?
[06:46] <mdz> the I/O on that box isn't even close
[06:46] <Keybuk> I imagine you just can't shovel 1Gbps from the disk, across the bus and out the nic
[06:46] <elmo> sabdfl: no
[06:46] <mdz> from the disk, certainly not
[06:46] <sabdfl> ok, let's not rock the boatnow
[06:46] <elmo> it was one of the "don't touch" boxes
[06:46] <mdz> that's over 100mbyte/sec
[06:47] <mdz> of course, that stuff should all be in RAM...
[06:47] <elmo> it can do 35MB/s sustained
[06:47] <sabdfl> hmm... but a lot of it should be in RAM
[06:47] <mdz> that's fairly crap considering the class of hardware
[06:47] <elmo> what on earth do you think is going to be in RAM?  we'll be lucky if it keeps the few commonly hit things we have in RAM
[06:47] <mdz> elmo: it doesn't have the requisite terabyte of RAM?
[06:47] <sabdfl> hmmm... that's a surprisingly low number
[06:48] <mdz> we're talking about ~0.5GB of stuff that'll be hit HARD
[06:48] <sabdfl> i would have though the iso would be in the filesystem cache
[06:48] <elmo> mdz: what do you think that 0.5Gb is?
[06:48] <mdz> elmo: the i386 CD image
[06:48] <Kamion> mdz: how about the archive? that's going to be hit fairly hard too
[06:48] <elmo> and all the random .debs from the 24Gb archive.. it'sgoing to know to not bring those into memory too?
[06:49] <sabdfl> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseProcess#preview
[06:49] <mdz> I don't see why the rest-of-the-archive load would be _that_ much higher
[06:49] <mdz> there will be very few folks doing pure network installs, there'll be very little to upgrade, so it's basically just new package installs from supported/universe
[06:50] <Keybuk> mdz: the point is, as soon as one person does one, it'll punt the iso image out of the page cache to make room
[06:50] <elmo> you're assuming all our existing users are current
[06:50] <elmo> and auckland is busy 24/7 with downloads
[06:50] <elmo> the HD lights literally do not go out nowadays
[06:50] <mdz> I'm not; I'm assuming the load caused by our existing users won't change much
[06:50] <elmo> it might not change, but I think you're seriously underestimating it, if you think it won't be enough to push the i386 ISO out of cache
[06:50] <Kamion> I think most of them will go and hit apt-get upgrade as soon as the announcement goes out
[06:51] <sabdfl> are you guys happy to announce at 1200 UTC?
[06:51] <elmo> like, right now it's serving 80Mb/s
[06:51] <elmo> if we really want to serve the ISO out of RAM, we should put it on a different, dedicated box, IMO
[06:51] <elmo> I don't see how else we can guarantee dedicated cache mem for it
[06:52] <mdz> mako just called, says he'll be on in a few
[06:52] <sabdfl> elmo: promse to get you better h/w for Hoary. if there's no way to load balance this now, let's just see how it goes
[06:52] <mdz> sabdfl: 1200 works for me
[06:52] <sabdfl> mdz: early
[06:52] <Kamion> I think we should review that at around 0200, see how things are going
[06:52] <sabdfl> but then, maybe that makes it easier on the bandwidth?
[06:53] <sabdfl> in fact, an earlier announcement will tend to make the bandwidth move in a wave with timezones
[06:53] <mdz> elmo: we do have a few spares, do we have one which is installed and online that we could use in that role?
[06:53] <elmo> we could put it on one of the dell's/HP's sure
[06:53] <sabdfl> elmo: it could just be a temp web server, which ONLY serves the release directory (i386, ppc, amd64, livecd)
[06:53] <sabdfl> and we point the web page at that
[06:54] <sabdfl> auckland can continue to serve the crowd
[06:54] <sabdfl> mirrors continue as per usual
[06:54] <mdz> elmo: we could also put a squid accelerator in for cdimage only
[06:54] <sabdfl> that way we get 35MB/s packages, and at least the same ISO's
[06:54] <sabdfl> simpler to have a second server
[06:54] <Kamion> [debian-installer upload complete; should start building shortly.] 
[06:55] <sabdfl> elmo: want to stress test a dell? they're the fastest boxes, remember
[06:55] <sabdfl> kthxbye :-)
[06:55] <mdz> auckland wasn't up to it for the preview; it's not clear how big the RC will be
[06:55] <mdz> it if ends up being final, I expect it'll be bigger than preview
[06:55] <Keybuk> sabdfl: you want to break it?
[06:55] <sabdfl> oh, ok, hp then
[06:55] <mdz> don't hurt the poor Dell
[06:55] <sabdfl> maybe we should load up an hp and a dell
[06:55] <sabdfl> and be ready to switch if there's a glitch
[06:56] <sabdfl> ok, so let's talk media
[06:56] <elmo> mdz: how do you mean not up for it?
[06:56] <thom> rsync them and round robin the cdimage record *shrug*
[06:56] <elmo> the box itself coped fine - apache didn't but that was a misconfig which has been fixed now AFAIK
[06:56] <sabdfl> lwn, debian lists, ubuntu lists, python lists
[06:57] <sabdfl> where else?
[06:57] <mdz> elmo: so apart from the uplink being maxed out, everything was hunky dory?
[06:57] <thom>  /. ?
[06:57] <ogra> sabdfl: german heise
[06:57] <elmo> mdz: on auckland?  yes
[06:57] <mdz> it was slow when I tried to access it from chinstrap at the time
[06:57] <Keybuk> distrowatch, slashdot, osnews, jdub has a list of things
[06:57] <sabdfl> thom: i don't know if the CSS / JS issue has been solved
[06:57] <mdz> but that could have been the apache problem, I suppose
[06:57] <thom> sabdfl: it appears to have been
[06:57] <elmo> mdz: ftp was fine from chinstrap
[06:57] <sabdfl> ok, will get jdub to add to the list when he's up
[06:57] <sabdfl> speaking of which, we can't go without jdub being awake
[06:57] <sabdfl> he has the homepage and the artwork
[06:58] <sabdfl> thom: great, thanks
[06:58] <Keybuk> (btw, did anyone else we passed Gentoo in the Distrowatch chart? :p)
[06:58] <mdz> that stuff needs to go in well before the final build anyway
[06:58] <elmo> we should ship everyone to one place for these releases to defeat timezones
[06:58] <mdz> Keybuk: I noticed we were top 10 like 2 weeks ago
[06:58] <Keybuk> mdz: we're #7 now
[06:58] <mdz> we were #9 then
[06:58] <mdz> not bad for a <1-month old distribution
[06:58] <thom> sabdfl: ie, everything is being served from the apache cache, and we're able to sustain 70 requests/sec from off network
[06:59] <sabdfl> great
[06:59] <mdz> elmo: the international ubuntu command and control center
[06:59] <mdz> or IUCC (pronounced "yuck")
[06:59] <sivang> :))
[07:00] <mdz> mako: we're going over specifics of the release announcements
[07:00] <mako> mdz: i will catch up on the log
[07:00] <elmo> mdz: is cricket meant to DTRT with Gb ?
[07:00] <sabdfl> ok, i'm all done, anything from the tech board?
[07:01] <mdz> elmo: depends
[07:01] <mdz> elmo: do you have 64-bit snmp counters available?
[07:01] <elmo> mdz: err, I dunno
[07:01] <sabdfl> mdz: all yours to sign off on the release
[07:01] <sabdfl> i'd like a say if it's going to be final as well
[07:01] <mdz> ok
[07:01] <sabdfl> artwork, and homepage, and i'm happy
[07:01] <sabdfl> Keybuk: the calendar thing is ready to rock, right?
[07:01] <mdz> I have my Big Red Launch Button prepared
[07:02] <Keybuk> sabdfl: yeah, provided jdub sets the artwork up right -- I left sufficient documentation in the package
[07:02] <sabdfl> ok
[07:02] <sabdfl> will you verify when he's up and the artwork is in for mdz?
[07:02] <Keybuk> yup, sure
[07:02] <sabdfl> ok
[07:02] <Keybuk> it needs to be made the default in the default session too?
[07:02] <sabdfl> mako, elmo, anything from you guys?
[07:03] <mdz> elmo: did you get some sleep?
[07:03] <mako> no.. not right now
[07:03] <sabdfl> i'm going to try to get six hours sleep tonight to be fresh for the announcements
[07:03] <elmo> sabdfl: no, don't think so
[07:03] <elmo> mdz: not enough to prepare for the next 24 hours, I suspect :P
[07:03] <sabdfl> will be drafting announcements in the morning, mako, jdub wiki-fy your ideas and i'll work over them
[07:04] <mdz> I plan to try for at least a 20-minute nap myself
[07:04] <sabdfl> ok, we're done. good luck guys
[07:04] <mdz> lessons learned and all that
[07:04] <mako> again: sorry i missed the meeting..
[07:04] <mako>  i'll reread everything and write a summary as i did two weeks ago
[07:04] <sabdfl> thanks mako
[07:04] <sabdfl> anything from guests?
[07:05] <Keybuk> just checked, the calendar is the default -- so we just need the artwork
[07:05] <sabdfl> calendar should not be defailt
[07:05] <Keybuk> shouldn't it?
[07:05] <sabdfl> we have one with just the ubuntu logo
[07:05] <sabdfl> will get fewer right wing emails that way
[07:05] <Keybuk> that'll need a seb-upload to change
[07:06] <sabdfl> ok, Keybuk please coordinate
[07:06] <Keybuk> actually, jdub can probably do that one
[07:06] <Keybuk> it's just a schema change
[07:06] <sabdfl> ok
[07:06] <pitti> BTW, somebody asked for 2.8.1 gnome packages
[07:06] <pitti> seb128 returned to #u-devel
[07:11] <mako> today is not turning out to be my best day :-/