[12:00] <robertj> heya all
[12:00] <aardvark> ubuntu could work on Powerbook ?
[12:00] <aardvark> wow
[12:00] <robertj> are there any packages to grab to allow gphoto2 access via nautilus
[12:01] <Kamion> aardvark: sure
[12:01] <tweak> umm i have somewhat of a problem with my ubuntu
[12:01] <pedro_g> tweak: you lose X after you log in - then it comes back up?
[12:02] <tweak> it did then it worked
[12:02] <pedro_g> not sure what you mean by that - take me through the steps.  you boot up and get the login screen?
[12:03] <tweak> i log in then it say ubuntu and hits the computer icon the stops for awhile
[12:03] <tweak> at the bottom of ubuntu i think the splash sreen
[12:04] <aardvark> anyone know how far till the 1.0 release ?
[12:04] <pedro_g> how long?
[12:04] <aardvark> well warty is preview release
[12:04] <tweak> then it freezes
[12:04] <aardvark> thus yes, how long
[12:05] <jdub> aardvark: 4.10 will be out on the 20th (see the release schedule on the wiki)
[12:05] <tweak> do you have a idea what is messing
[12:05] <aardvark> jdub: thank you
[12:06] <pedro_g> does it totally freeze or just for a few minutes?
[12:06] <tweak> few minutes
[12:07] <tweak> when it usally went right in
[12:08] <pedro_g> what changed from before?
[12:08] <pedro_g> settings anything?
[12:08] <tweak> a failure coming up when it starts up
[12:08] <smo> Anybody running dual-head with nvidia twinview?
[12:08] <tweak> something with the resolution
[12:09] <pedro_g> did you change monitors? 
[12:09] <tweak> no
[12:09] <smo> I've just noticed that windows disappear from the Window List if they're on the second screen, and trying to work out if that's recent, or if I'm just slow
[12:11] <pedro_g> tweak: wonder if there would be some clues in the X logs?  (think it's /var/log/XFree86.log)
[12:11] <tweak> i was told to go to nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and find where the resolution where and change 24 to the res i want
[12:12] <tweak> adn pedro that is no on the log
[12:12] <mjr> I'm running dual-head with xinerama, and yes, window lists seem to be screen-spesific, like I want them
[12:13] <saw27> hi all. Anyone an expert on APM/ACPI?
[12:14] <tweak> and if i hit cltrl+alt+F1 then hit ctrl+alt+F7 to come back in it blures out the hole screen
[12:15] <pedro_g> did you 'tweak' the XF86Config-4 file?
[12:15] <aardvark> does Linux have the capability to support prebinding like in Mac OS X
[12:15] <tweak> the resolution psrt yes
[12:15] <pedro_g> what did you change?
[12:16] <mjr> prebinding?
[12:16] <tweak> toke out 2 resolution on 24
[12:16] <tweak> but they are put back in
[12:17] <pedro_g> hmmm wonder if there is a type in your config file - but i doubt X would start at all if there was...
[12:17] <mjr> aardvark, ah, that; I think so, the KDE folk were makinga fuss about something that sounded approximately the same to me, but I didn't go in depth into it
[12:17] <aardvark> a prelinker that links dynamically linked libraries to an exectuable 
[12:17] <tweak> i haev not a clue that is why i am asking you guys
[12:17] <pedro_g> when the screen goes blurry can you press ctrl-alt-(keypad+) and ctrl-alt-(keypad-) and have it come back OK?
[12:18] <aardvark> mjr: in certain circumstances it is cool
[12:18] <Kamion> aardvark: a.k.a. 'prelink'?
[12:18] <tweak> dont know did try
[12:18] <aardvark> Kamion: yes 
[12:18] <Kamion> aardvark: note that we build all our packages with a linker option that makes prelink generally not particularly faster
[12:18] <tweak> it came back after an minute
[12:18] <pedro_g> can you try it now?
[12:18] <tvon> linux-sources package: does it come pre-configured as the 'normal' ubunutu kernel?
[12:18] <Kamion> tvon: yes
[12:18] <Kamion> if you mean linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:18] <tweak> umm it is still blured
[12:18] <tvon> juyeah
[12:19] <tvon> yeah
[12:19] <pedro_g> sorry tweak you stumped me
[12:19] <tweak> ya but you are the only one helping
[12:19] <pedro_g> but i'm not help :)
[12:19] <tweak> and i dont know anything with linux
[12:20] <tweak> can anyone help or not
[12:20] <pedro_g> you ought to try reconfiguring X through the dpkg command 
[12:20] <tweak> i would not know how to do that
[12:20] <pedro_g> that will rewrite you file - at least you'll know it's not something simple that's causing the problem
[12:21] <Kamion> dpkg-reconfigure rather than dpkg
[12:21] <tweak> type that in then
[12:21] <Kamion> (despite the name, dpkg-reconfigure is not part of the dpkg suite of programs, but part of debconf)
[12:21] <pedro_g>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:21] <pedro_g> is that right?
[12:21] <tweak> what do i need to type
[12:21] <pedro_g> goatboy suggested that earlier
[12:22] <tweak> so i should try that one pedro?
[12:22] <pedro_g> do you know the details of your video card and monitor?
[12:23] <tweak> umm my vid card yes i believe minitor no
[12:23] <tweak> old and shitty that is all
[12:23] <tweak> video card is ATI 9200 64 mbg
[12:24] <swoon> hrmm I just installed through synaptics a um mailcheck app wonder where it could be
[12:24] <pedro_g> well you can try it - before you do make a copy of your XF86Config-4 file
[12:24] <tweak> what do you want me to try again
[12:24] <pedro_g> if X doesn't work just put back you copy your old file and restart X
[12:25] <tweak> so what do you want me to do
[12:25] <pedro_g> first make a backup of XF86Config-4
[12:25] <pedro_g> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:25] <tweak> and i do that how
[12:25] <pedro_g> cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ./
[12:26] <tweak> tweak:/home/tweak# cp /etc/X11/XfConfig-4
[12:26] <tweak> cp: missing destination file
[12:26] <tweak> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[12:27] <tweak> that is what it said
[12:27] <pedro_g> remember the file that you used nano to edit?
[12:27] <tweak> yes
[12:28] <pedro_g> cp that file to you home directory
[12:28] <tweak> by typing cp /etc/X11/XFConfig-4, right
[12:29] <phosphorgreen> tweak: cp [source]  [target] 
[12:30] <tweak> i typed in tweak:/home/tweak# cp /etc/X11/XfConfig-4
[12:30] <tweak> cp: missing destination file
[12:30] <tweak> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[12:30] <swoon> what packages do I need to install for basic compiling?
[12:31] <phosphorgreen> tweak: read my last statement
[12:31] <pedro_g> tweak: don't think you have the file name correct there 
[12:31] <tweak> ya i know i change it then it said the same
[12:31] <pedro_g> tweak : oh ic -   cp  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ./
[12:31] <phosphorgreen> swoon: usually gcc and g++ plus all libs required for what you are compiling, eg libstdc++, gtk++, etc, etc. Depends on what you are compiling
[12:31] <pedro_g> tweak: you have to give it a place to go 
[12:32] <pedro_g> ./ is the local directory
[12:32] <swoon> ok thank you phosphorgreen
[12:32] <phosphorgreen> tweak:or even cp  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 .
[12:32] <tweak> cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/XFConfig-4': No such file or directory
[12:33] <tweak> that is what it said
[12:33] <swoon> phosphorgreen, Im guessing for g++, I want g++-3.4,   instead of g++, or g++-3.3 ?
[12:33] <phosphorgreen> ^^ means the file doesnt exist
[12:33] <phosphorgreen> I believe the file is called XF86Config-4, not XFConfig-4
[12:34] <tvon> yes, its the former
[12:34] <phosphorgreen> 3.4 or 3.3, the choice is yours swoon
[12:34] <tweak> ya i forgot that
[12:34] <tweak> ok i did that
[12:35] <tweak> it is copied
[12:35] <jazzka> any tool to automatically set 'bloq num' on ??
[12:36] <pedro_g> tweak:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86   
[12:36] <pedro_g> tweak: follow the steps and choose the resolution you want
[12:37] <swoon> hrmmm wonder if the archive.ubuntu.com is down...
[12:37] <tweak> ati card is fglrx
[12:37] <tweak> right
[12:40] <swoon> can anyone confirm that archive.ubuntu is not down?
[12:40] <aardvark> Kamion: so am I able to recompile an ubuntu package / app and make use of prelinking ?
[12:41] <tvon|x31> archive.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:41] <tvon|x31> no
[12:42] <tvon|x31> archive.ubuntu.com is not coming up
[12:42] <Kamion> aardvark: er, that would be pointless
[12:42] <aardvark> kinda if yes
[12:42] <Kamion> aardvark: what I meant was that the linker option we uses already gets you most of the benefits of prelinking without the sheer complication and difficulty of management of prelink itself
[12:42] <aardvark> but I should be able to do this ?
[12:43] <tacoma> swoon: archive.utuntu.com is unreachable for me
[12:43] <aardvark> ok 
[12:43] <tvon|x31> Doesnt ubuntu already use some speedup technique that makes prelinking basically ineffective or insignificant?
[12:43] <Kamion> you can use prelink if you want without recompiling, but said linker option means there's little point
[12:43] <aardvark> thats a good question
[12:43] <swoon> bummer ok thanks tacoma
[12:43] <[rapha] > topic
[12:43] <Kamion> tvon|x31: yes, and that's what I've been trying to tell aardvark :)
[12:43] <tvon|x31> heh
[12:43] <[rapha] > Say, are the Ubuntu servers online?
[12:43] <Kamion> -O1 to ld, or -Wl,-O1 to gcc
[12:43] <nasdaq4088> can ubuntu download files from the internet at a faster rate?
[12:43] <tvon|x31> aardvark: there was a thread on...mhm... either desktop-devel or debian-desktop or debian-gtk-gnome or some related list about this recently
[12:44] <[rapha] > Lol, no
[12:44] <tvon|x31> or maybe it was the ubuntu list
[12:44] <Kamion> nasdaq4088: I'm afraid our time machine technology has not yet been developed
[12:44] <[rapha] > I can't do apt-get update nor get to www.ubuntulinux.org
[12:44] <tweak> hey how many kb are in amgb
[12:44] <nasdaq4088> time machine
[12:44] <Kamion> yes, our datacentre's link appears to be down ...
[12:44] <[rapha] > My friend (also in Germany) has problems, too.
[12:44] <aardvark> Kamion: thks for your patience
[12:44] <nasdaq4088> like einstein's relativity theory: time travel into the future
[12:44] <aardvark> :) 
[12:44] <nasdaq4088> that sounds exciting!
[12:45] <tvon|x31> tweak: http://www.egret.net/kb__mb.htm
[12:45] <[rapha] > Kamion: is there any mirror?
[12:45] <Kamion> [rapha] : yes, although I, er, can't check the mirror list right now :)
[12:45] <[rapha] > Lol okay :)
[12:45] <Kamion> I should keep a local copy, really
[12:45] <nasdaq4088> :)
[12:45] <Kamion> ah, google to the rescue
[12:46] <Kamion> [rapha] : google for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive and ask it for the cached copy
[12:46] <tvon|x31> there is also 'unit' I think, which will do such conversions
[12:46] <nasdaq4088> light travels at 300,000km per hour, ubuntu at 301,000km!
[12:46] <[rapha] > Thanks Kamion :)
[12:46] <tvon|x31> nasdaq4088: hah
[12:46] <nasdaq4088> 300,000km per second sorry
[12:47] <nasdaq4088> the next ubuntu version:
[12:47] <[rapha] > Kamion: and you wouldn't happen to know the addresses of those extra repositories? The unofficial ones, I mean?
[12:47] <nasdaq4088> ubuntu: lightning!
[12:47] <Kamion> actually googling for http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive gets a slightly newer list
[12:48] <Kamion> [rapha] : which ones?
[12:48] <aardvark> is ubuntu down ?
[12:48] <Kamion> aardvark: yes, our datacentre's link appears to be down
[12:48] <aardvark> cannot reach ubuntulinux.org
[12:48] <whiprush> aardvark: I just tried it, can't connect
[12:48] <[rapha] > Kamion: the MP3 stuff, mono, ...
[12:49] <tvon|x31> monkeypop is nifty
[12:49] <Kamion> (slightly more accurate, I'm assuming they haven't all spontaneously crashed)
[12:49] <[rapha] > Kamion: the Google Cache page doesn't load here...
[12:49] <calc> so is ubuntu still releasing on Wed?
[12:49] <aardvark> Kamion: who supports the ubuntu datacenter ?
[12:49] <Kamion> aardvark: we have two admins, one of whom is reasonably local
[12:49] <tacoma> open question: when the next release of ubuntu is released will we be able to do a apt-get upgrade?
[12:49] <Kamion> calc: release candidate Wednesday, release next Wednesday
[12:49] <Kamion> tacoma: sure
[12:49] <Kamion> both admins are in the same country, actually I believe both are in London at the moment anyway
[12:49] <calc> Kamion: ok
[12:50] <aardvark> Kamion: do you know which products they use for service management/monitoring ?
[12:50] <phosphorgreen> tacoma: i know that you can seamlessly upgrade from warty to hoary so i assume so, i think that you can
[12:50] <[rapha] > Kamion: Hedgy Hedgehog? On WEDNESDAY already???
[12:50] <Kamion> [rapha] : uh, no :)
[12:50] <phosphorgreen> i believe that hoarys release is April 5th
[12:50] <Kamion> [rapha] : Warty Warthog (and BTW it's Hoary not Hedgy)
[12:50] <aardvark> somebody has to work on the product naming
[12:50] <[rapha] > Okay :)
[12:50] <tvon|x31> not whorey
[12:50] <[rapha] > Sorry
[12:50] <aardvark> its almost obscene
[12:50] <calc> hoary is a bit like woody
[12:50] <nasdaq4088> what will happen when ubuntu is released?
[12:50] <tvon|x31> dirtly little hedgehog
[12:50] <tvon|x31> nasdaq4088: the universe will pop out of existance
[12:51] <Kamion> nasdaq4088: we get *even more people* installing it than we already have
[12:51] <tacoma> speaking of naming, I just started the stdlug
[12:51] <tacoma> "Stadium District LUG" (Tacoma, WA)
[12:51] <tweak> ok i finsih the question on the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:51] <tweak> what do i do next
[12:51] <Kamion> aardvark: varies by machine I believe, I don't know all the details
[12:51] <aardvark> Kamion: hmmm
[12:51] <nasdaq4088> i can't wait for the release
[12:52] <phosphorgreen> any1 know how to write a cd *without* being root in warty?
[12:52] <aardvark> who handles package management on the ubuntu project ? is it per team ?
[12:53] <tweak> pedro_g :  i finished the question what next
[12:53] <phosphorgreen> what are you trying to do tweak?
[12:53] <tweak> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i finish the questions what do i do next
[12:53] <aardvark> who are the package maintainers ?
[12:54] <phosphorgreen> tweak: so, you've reconfigured the x server, what more do you want to do?
[12:54] <whiprush> ubuntu.com back up for me
[12:54] <Kamion> aardvark: pretty much all of us depending on speciality
[12:54] <[rapha] > Working mirror: http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/ubuntu/
[12:54] <tweak> make it so it does not blure
[12:54] <aardvark> ubuntu up!
[12:54] <tweak> adn starts up normally
[12:54] <tck_> ubuntulinux.org site down for me
[12:55] <phosphorgreen> tck_: purge ur cache
[12:55] <tck_> oh wait , it just came back up
[12:55] <tck_> just a little slow :))
[12:55] <tck_> pretty good response time , whos looking after them servers :P
[12:56] <pedro_g> tweak: sorry - after reconfiguring X you'll need to log out and in again
[12:56] <tweak> ok i will
[12:56] <aardvark> Kamion: who is the project lead ? who directs overall vision / direction ?
[12:57] <Kamion> aardvark: Mark Shuttleworth is The Boss; Matt Zimmerman is the Ubuntu CTO and Jeff Waugh the release manager
[12:57] <nasdaq4088> what is ubuntu's major goals?
[12:57] <phosphorgreen> is Ubuntu a UK setup? The domain is UK registered
[12:57] <aardvark> Kamion: how do you fit into the pic ?
[12:58] <nasdaq4088> to act as a user os
[12:58] <Kamion> we expect intermittent server downtime for another few hours; don't panic
[12:58] <jdub> nasdaq4088: when the website comes up, check it out
[12:58] <nasdaq4088> or for businesses?
[12:58] <tck_> jersey i think
[12:58] <jdub> nasdaq4088: bith
[12:58] <jdub> both
[12:58] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: international, about six of us live in the UK
[12:58] <[rapha] > Kamion: btw, my girlfriend got Ubuntu yesterday (she's only seen Win XP before and it's her first own computer) and she loves it.
[12:58] <azeem> aardvark: are you Bernd Wachter?
[12:58] <nasdaq4088> but better than debian + other linux clones
[12:58] <jdub> phosphorgreen: the company is based in the isle of man, the employees in 12 different countries
[12:58] <aardvark> azeem: no dude
[12:58] <Kamion> aardvark: I'm the installer team leader (er, not to mention the installer team member :-)) and general dogsbody
[12:58] <whiprush> oh dude, I hope this usb-storage support for cameras makes it in at the last second.
[12:58] <whiprush> need it so badly. :p
[12:58] <azeem> aardvark: ah, sorry. I know another aardvark by that name :)
[12:59] <nasdaq4088> mark shuttleworth developed the security features of part of the internet
[12:59] <aardvark> azeem: no prob!
[12:59] <jdub> whiprush: it's going in
[12:59] <azeem> aardvark: and he used to be in charge of setting up the web-forums
[12:59] <whiprush> woo
[12:59] <nasdaq4088> does ubuntu have some enhanced security features?
[12:59] <phosphorgreen> yeah my camera (an old Fuji 2200Zoom) isn't supported under Ubutnu which i found odd. I have to manually mount
[12:59] <whiprush> phosphorgreen: does it show up as a normal usb drive basically?
[01:00] <phosphorgreen> yes whiprush
[01:00] <whiprush> so like mine, usb-storage probably
[01:01] <whiprush> jdub: man, almost got an x300 this week.
[01:01] <phosphorgreen> I see that Mark ShuttleWorth is quite the venture capitalist, does he hope to make money from Ubutnu?
[01:01] <whiprush> probably gonna splurge for an ibm x40 though.
[01:02] <aardvark> phosphorgreen: philanthropic adventure I think
[01:02] <nasdaq4088> i will surely use ubuntu
[01:02] <aardvark> aardvark: Mark pours alot back into the community, kudos to him
[01:02] <phosphorgreen> cool
[01:03] <nasdaq4088> anything that saves users money is worth it
[01:03] <nasdaq4088> microsoft solutions are expensive
[01:03] <nasdaq4088> oracle
[01:04] <nasdaq4088> etc.
[01:04] <aardvark> oracle.com/linux
[01:04] <jazzka> any tool to automatically set 'bloq num' on ??
[01:05] <jdub> phosphorgreen: yes, canonical (the company sponsoring it) is a for-profit company.
[01:05] <MyKq3> can some one help me with bittornado ? i have installed it but when i try to run torrent files nothing happens as if the program is not installed
[01:05] <whiprush> it just replaces the stock bittorent
[01:05] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-September/001194.html
[01:05] <whiprush> just run "btdownloadcurses blah.torrent" or whatever
[01:05] <nasdaq4088> i've been using open source products for many years
[01:06] <aardvark> as many of my colleagues would say: OpenSores!
[01:06] <aardvark> :P 
[01:07] <nasdaq4088> :)
[01:07] <MyKq3> whiprush,  what do u mean to replace the stock bittorrent ... i have tryef to reinstalled it and have tryed to install bittorrent instad ( no help there)
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> jdub: wouldn't that have some inclination that ubutnu may go commerical like redhat someday? I know that the website says strictly no (today), but so did redhat back in 1997.
[01:07] <aardvark> we have finally got some penguin boxes into the datacenter!
[01:07] <cardador> MyKq3: install azureus, its far better
[01:08] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: there are ways to make money that don't involve charging for the distribution
[01:08] <MyKq3> cardador,  aptget azureu ?
[01:08] <whiprush> MyKq3: if you install bittornado it replaces your existing bittorrent executables, it's like a drop in replacement
[01:08] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: and Red Hat, in fairness, do still have a totally free-of-charge distribution
[01:08] <cardador> MyKq3: nope, go to azureus site and download it
[01:08] <phosphorgreen> anybody any idea how to install java into mozilla firefox?
[01:08] <nasdaq4088> what is lacking is an os with major security features - I was hoping mr. shuttleworth would make sure ubuntu has the highest possible security features ...
[01:09] <swoon> how do I log out of X to console?
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> nasdaq4088: I see that SELinux will be encorporated into Hoary (like RedHat)
[01:09] <whiprush> nasdaq4088: selinux is on the list for the next release.
[01:09] <nasdaq4088> mydoom , sasser etc. have opened doors to major problems in the it world
[01:09] <[rapha] > nasdaq4088: Ubuntu has no services running per default, and root is disabled.
[01:09] <MyKq3> whiprush,  well i have done that ... no help there...
[01:09] <aardvark> nasdaq4088: yes but what are you looking for ?
[01:09] <whiprush> hmmm
[01:09] <nasdaq4088> since mydoom etc. i've become really afraid of where virusses are going
[01:09] <swoon> anyone?
[01:09] <cardador> swoon: ctrl + alt + f1
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> swoon: press Ctrl+Alt+F1. Log in and type /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm stop
[01:10] <swoon> thank you
[01:10] <nasdaq4088> windows is one of the least secure operating systems
[01:10] <MyKq3> swoon,  CTRL+ALT_DEL
[01:10] <phosphorgreen> swoon: oh and u need to be root to do that, so sudo it
[01:10] <aardvark> nasdaq4088: but with good firewalling and regular patch management this preventable
[01:10] <nasdaq4088> yes
[01:10] <cardador> MyKq3: that just restarts x
[01:10] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: it's on the to-do list to investigate for Hoary, I don't think we've committed to it yet
[01:10] <nasdaq4088> but you need patches and patches and downloads from mcafee etc. all the time
[01:10] <swoon> gotchyah thanks :)
[01:10] <Kamion> hence the question mark after it on the wiki
[01:11] <nasdaq4088> that's why i'm switching to ubuntu
[01:11] <aardvark> nasdaq4088: yes if it's Windows
[01:11] <nasdaq4088> type os
[01:11] <aardvark> nasdaq4088: right on!
[01:11] <whiprush> MyKq3: hmm, dunno then, I just install bittornado and use it, I don't even install bittorrent
[01:11] <nasdaq4088> thesedays, virusses use the following routes to infect:
[01:11] <nasdaq4088> scans ports
[01:12] <nasdaq4088> infects files in kazaa's shared folders
[01:12] <phosphorgreen> Kamion: do u mean Java for Mozilla or SELinux?
[01:12] <nasdaq4088> uses selfreplicating emails
[01:12] <aardvark> nasdaq4088: be more optimistic man!
[01:12] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: the latter
[01:12] <nasdaq4088> even irc ads
[01:13] <phosphorgreen> good, coz I'd kinda think that Java for Firefox is kinda important ;)
[01:13] <phosphorgreen> any1 any idea how it's installed ?
[01:13] <MyKq3> whiprush, the problem is that i have but it does not work  :\ ... 
[01:13] <whiprush> what does it do?
[01:13] <aardvark> anyone know of a tool to profile an executable ?
[01:13] <whiprush> sit there?
[01:13] <phosphorgreen> i remember having all sorts marlarkey copying it to global .mozilla folders for systemwide use last time i tried it
[01:14] <phosphorgreen> just for it to screw up when i upgraded versions
[01:14] <cardador> phosphorgreen: i installed java, then cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins, ln -s /path_to_java_plugin
[01:17] <dayson> Hey I have a quick question about setting root options can someone help me out?
[01:19] <Zero-G> why don't you ask and we'll see
[01:20] <dayson> well I'm pretty new to linux and when I installed I dont remember setting a root password but when I went to use apt-get I need root and I dont have the password
[01:20] <tck> sudo passwd root
[01:21] <Kamion> tck: that sets the root password, which may not be necessary
[01:21] <Zero-G> or just "sudo apt-get" and type your own password
[01:21] <azeem> dayson: you do not need a root password, your regular user accouns is sudo-enabled
[01:21] <WW1> dayson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view  (Support question #1)
[01:21] <Kamion> as of today, the installer tells you about this on the first screen after you reboot
[01:21] <tck> well sudo every command doesnt work
[01:21] <Kamion> tck: why not?
[01:21] <azeem> tck: why not?
[01:21] <danieltrocoli> help me! my usb wi-fi do not want to work on ubuntu. i have a prism2.x usb device but i cannot get it to come 'up'
[01:21] <tck> u need to be root for some measures
[01:22] <aardvark> azeem: is that configured by default ?
[01:22] <azeem> aardvark: sudo? yes
[01:22] <Lathiat> Kamion: yay :)
[01:22] <Kamion> tck: um, no ...
[01:22] <Kamion> tck: a command invoked via sudo *is* running as root
[01:22] <Zero-G> tck: sudo bash - woohoo you have a root shell
[01:22] <Kamion> (but don't do that)
[01:23] <Kamion> to my knowledge, the only thing that's different about running inside sudo is that the sudo package itself will warn you if you try to remove sudo in that case :-)
[01:23] <Kamion> e.g. 'sudo apt-get remove sudo'
[01:24] <calc> Zero-G: sudo su - is better (i think)
[01:24] <aardvark> azeem: I meant is it configured to enable usage by user accoounts out of the box ?
[01:24] <tck> Zero-G : u could edit /etc/resolv.conf, then break out into a shell :sh ;)
[01:24] <azeem> aardvark: yes
[01:24] <azeem> aardvark: well, for the initial user, anyway
[01:24] <dayson> okay I understand the sudo apt-get command but if I do sudo passwd root will that set my password for root or will it enable root?
[01:25] <aardvark> azeem: is that not a security risk
[01:25] <aardvark> typically that is a discretionary issue 
[01:25] <tvon|x31> only thing I havent been able to do with sudo is echo stuff to stuff under /sys
[01:25] <azeem> aardvark: ubuntu has no services listening on the network by default
[01:25] <tvon|x31> er..proc
[01:25] <tvon|x31> or both..not sure
[01:25] <aardvark> azeem: aaah
[01:25] <azeem> aardvark: it's the same in Mac OS X, AFAIK
[01:25] <tck> dayson, set passwd for root
[01:25] <aardvark> azeem: yes
[01:26] <danieltrocoli> any one can help me, please! my ubuntu is behind a weird wired connection through a XP box and my prism2.x wi-fi is not working over ubuntu
[01:26] <Lathiat> tvon|x31:if you want to do that put it in quotes
[01:26] <tvon|x31> ah
[01:26] <calc> danieltrocoli: i am not certain that there are drivers in ubuntu for prism 1/2/2.5 devices
[01:26] <Kamion> tvon|x31: sudo sh -c '...'
[01:26] <Kamion> calc: there are
[01:26] <dewey> ok everything seems to work except for my printer.  I added my Epson sylus 860 color printer but nothing prints?
[01:26] <Lathiat> tvon|x31: cus otherwise the redirect works as you not root
[01:26] <calc> Kamion: what are the ones for 2.6 called now?
[01:26] <Lathiat> cus your shell parses it
[01:26] <tvon|x31> ahhhhhh
[01:26] <tvon|x31> Lathiat: thanks
[01:26] <calc> all i could find even in debian was for 2.4
[01:26] <Kamion> calc: can't recall offhand, sorry
[01:27] <danieltrocoli> calc, the dmesg recognizes the prism2.x stuff
[01:27] <Lathiat> danieltrocoli: if you type iwconfig can you see it listed?
[01:27] <Lathiat> (as root, so sudo iw...)
[01:27] <danieltrocoli> Lathiat, just a min...
[01:28] <Kamion> calc: normal prism stuff is supported by the orinoco driver I thought, and we have prism2_usb for the rest
[01:28] <Lathiat> if so to set it up just go into the System Preferences -> Network and set it up
[01:28] <danieltrocoli> Lathiat, wlan0 no wireless extensions
[01:28] <Lathiat> dewey: parallel or usb?
[01:28] <Lathiat> danieltrocoli: what abouteth0
[01:29] <Lathiat> danieltrocoli: iirc those drivers bring up two interfaces, wlan0 and eth0 (or eth1 or whatever)
[01:29] <Lathiat> anyone know off hand if WinCE is co-operative multitasking?
[01:29] <aitrus> holy updates batman!
[01:29] <danieltrocoli> iwconfig says eth0 no wireless extensions
[01:29] <dewey> Lathiat: para
[01:29] <aardvark> how compatible are regular Debian packages with Ubuntu ?
[01:30] <aardvark> watch should I not do ?
[01:30] <dewey> Lathiat: I tried printing test page and from mozilla
[01:30] <aardvark> specially the "test" stuff ?
[01:30] <dewey> nothing ahppened.
[01:30] <danieltrocoli> Lathiat, throgh Network stuff it do not show wireless devices
[01:31] <calc> Kamion: oh ok
[01:31] <Lathiat> danieltrocoli: odd i have no idea then perhaps you could trey google to see if anyone else has had similar problems or anything
[01:31] <Lathiat> dewey: check your kmodules list for partport_pc (lsmod|grep parport)
[01:32] <aardvark> compatibility issues ?
[01:32] <aardvark> how compatible are regular Debian packages with Ubuntu ?
[01:32] <dewey> Lathiat: I will do that tonite
[01:32] <Lathiat> aardvark: well in general they work fine but putting packages from debian main in is a bad idea cus youll hit version problems etc
[01:33] <Lathiat> aardvark: however external archives with programs buiilt etc should work fine
[01:33] <Lathiat> aardvark: and if you want main or contrib/non-free add the ubuntu universe and multiverse lines to your apt sources, it has most of it
[01:33] <aardvark> Lathiat: thks
[01:34] <aardvark> gentlemen and ladies I bid you adieu!
[01:35] <Lathiat> *bang* do you think you could turn it on... COME MINI ME!
[01:38] <tck> i seem to be having problems with my openssl, 
[01:39] <tck> have the latest ver. 0.97d
[01:39] <tck> its installed, but when programs are calling it, they seem to give an error
[01:40] <tck> for ex., if i use nessus , connecting to the daemon - gives an ssl error
[01:41] <WW1> Is "multiverse" explained on the ubuntu web site or on the wiki?  I could swear I saw something about it once, but now I can't find it.
[01:44] <Kamion> WW1: it's very new, not well-documented yet
[01:48] <WW1> Kamion: OK, thanks.  I found some information about it in "Ubuntu Traffic #5"
[01:48] <swim> man I wish something could be done about 64 bit ndiswrapper
[01:54] <aitrus> if i already have a /dev/sda (my sata drive), would a usb key just take the next available scsi device (in this case, /dev/sdb)?
[01:55] <aitrus> i don't see it even getting detected in the logs... =(
[01:56] <dayson> back again guys I have another question
[01:57] <dayson> I'm trying to download winex using firefox and its set by default to save everything to my desktop, I've downloaded something like 4 things and nothing is on my desktop
[01:58] <dayson> can anyone tell me whats wrong or where my files are?
[01:58] <aitrus> dayson: i would change that location to somewhere like /home/username/temp or something like that
[01:59] <aitrus> in firefox: edit->preferences->downloads
[01:59] <dayson> how can I get something like a home directory on my desktop?
[02:00] <aitrus> dayson: /home/username/Desktop is your desktop if you want it there
[02:00] <dayson> this distro is a lot different from the rest I've atempted to learn
[02:00] <dayson> okay let me look
[02:00] <tck> aitrus : did u get ur usb key set up?
[02:01] <tck> i've been having problems
[02:01] <aitrus> tck: no.  no one responded and i'm still googling
[02:01] <tck> i think there was one or two known issues regarding usb
[02:01] <tck> whats dmesg say when u put it in
[02:02] <aitrus> nothing
[02:02] <tck> what else is there besides sda ?
[02:02] <aitrus> what do you mean?
[02:03] <aitrus> hmm... there we go
[02:03] <tck> well is there any other sd [b-d]  appearing
[02:03] <aitrus> tck: apparently it doesn't work if i use the front panel usb
[02:03] <tck> ahh , and it works at the back
[02:03] <tck> shit i might try that too :)
[02:04] <aitrus> tck: but if i use the usb-hub on my keyboard (which is plugged into the back) it works
[02:05] <tck> nope - don't work
[02:05] <tck> i checked to see if it works under mdk 10 and it does, so it's not the usb key
[02:06] <aitrus> tck: there is an issue in kernel 2.6.8.1 that is fixed by a patch
[02:06] <aitrus> http://www.spinics.net/lists/usb/msg01293.html
[02:06] <aitrus> check out if that is your key
[02:06] <tck> i upgraded already from 2.6.8.1-2 to 2.6.8.1-3
[02:13] <WX> oh so there is a usb keyboard problem/
[02:14] <dayson> okay I went to the download thing and it says there are all there but I dont see them I think there might be a setting that hides stuff on your desktop maybe?
[02:15] <dayson> never mind I'm a retard I figured it out
[02:16] <dayson> next question though
[02:16] <dayson> I have these tarz files now what do I do with them?
[02:16] <crimsun> use file-roller :)
[02:16] <crimsun> or you can use the command-line, tar xfz foo.tar.gz
[02:16] <dayson> whats that? I'm not sure I even have anything called that
[02:18] <joem> dayson, where did the files come from?
[02:19] <dayson> some website
[02:19] <dayson> I'm trying to find winex
[02:19] <joem> unless you pay for it, the only way to try it is though cvs
[02:20] <dayson> whats cvs?
[02:20] <joem> and that doesn't have all of the features that the release versions do
[02:20] <joem> read their site
[02:20] <dayson> sorry I'm new to linux so I'm going to ask a lot of dumb questions
[02:21] <dayson> http://cvs.linux.hr/   that the site you're talking about?
[02:22] <bob2> no
[02:22] <joem> http://www.transgaming.com/
[02:22] <joem> was talking about their site actaully
[02:22] <bob2> if you don't know what cvs is, building winex is going to be very very painful
[02:23] <bob2> you can buy it for just $5/month, tho
[02:23] <joem> should have any information on winex that you need
[02:24] <dayson> is wine the same as winex?
[02:24] <bob2> no
[02:24] <bob2> winex is a proprietary fork that includes support for directx
[02:24] <dayson> could I use wine to run something like steam?
[02:24] <dayson> I'm going to guess no
[02:24] <|trey|> For some reason, my sound is no longer working... checked everything I would usually suspect, and everything seems to be fine (checking modules, mixer etc)... anyone able to give further assistance?
[02:25] <tacoma> brb
[02:25] <bob2> dayson: probably not
[02:25] <bob2> dayson: appdb.codeweavers.com
[02:26] <|trey|> Stopped working after my last reboot... had about 50 something updates that day... also, gnome-panel is frequently saying "panel is already loaded" when I log in...
[02:28] <dayson> okay if I want to download a version of wine do I dl a debian vs?
[02:28] <bob2> isn't wine in universe?
[02:29] <robertj> are there ubuntu mono packages anywhere?
[02:29] <robertj> the universe ones seem uninstallable
[02:29] <bob2> robertj: yes, look on the wiki
[02:30] <bob2> robertj: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20040924_05.html#4
[02:34] <jazzka> if a package is in stable and testing, how apt chooses?
[02:34] <jazzka> does the order matter in sources.list?
[02:35] <|trey|> Ahh, ubuntu-traffic should be accessable from the top bar on the main page... thats some info I have wanted from Ubuntu  :)
[02:36] <swim> hrmm trying to add a printer that is connected to a router, and I to that router... went to add a printer, tried selecting local printer, then thought I could enter the ip address, ah I probably need to set up the port first right? how would I do that?
[02:39] <swim> can anyone tell me how to add a port (printer ip address) please?
[02:40] <aitrus> swim: is the printer connected via some network device (like a jetdirect interface)?
[02:41] <swim> aitrus, the printer has a built in nic, and is connected from that to a router... and my computer to that router
[02:41] <aitrus> what kind of printer?
[02:41] <aitrus> i'm assuming your printer uses IPP or a JetDirect box (internally)
[02:42] <swim> its a brother 4in1 mfc 3280 cn
[02:44] <aitrus> well, yes, that interface has to be setup to allow connections
[02:44] <bob2> jazzka: it chooses the one with the highest version
[02:44] <swim> aitrus, I can use it with a windows machine... so the printer itself is setup
[02:44] <bob2> jazzka: if two have the same version it picks the one fro mthe first source in the sources.list
[02:44] <aitrus> assuming it is setup, you can add an IPP printer (if that's what it uses, and probably does) with the printer config/network printer
[02:44] <bob2> jazzka: but you shouldn't be using stable or testing with ubuntu
[02:45] <aitrus> swim: does it use IPP or SMB in windows?
[02:45] <swim> aitrus, I just told windows to use the ip address that the printer gave itself...
[02:45] <swim> not sure
[02:46] <aitrus> there's no magical "just use this ip address" box, so somewhere along the line you had to say either ipp or smb
[02:46] <aitrus> you can find out by going into window, right-clicking on the printer, and going to properties
[02:46] <swim> aitrus, sorry I didnt tell it either... ok just a sec
[02:46] <aitrus> then check out the connection stuff (might be under ports)
[02:48] <swim> hrmm protocol is lpr...
[02:48] <swim> Standard tcp/ip port...
[02:49] <aitrus> does it say what port?
[02:50] <aitrus> i don't have a windows box, so i can't debug it... bug you can easily figure out which one just by trying... there's only 4
[02:50] <jazzka> bob2, I'm using ubuntu's main and universe, and debian-marillat
[02:50] <swim> yes it just says port IP_192.168.2.4
[02:51] <aitrus> i meant network port, not printer port... but that's okay, i don't know which windows is using
[02:55] <tacoma> swim: when you get it working, don't forget to change the default paper size from A4 to letter(if you are in the US)
[02:55] <swim> Im using windows xp
[02:56] <aitrus> swim: i meant i don't know which of the network printing protocols windows is using for your particular printer
[02:57] <swim> aitrus, can I somehow try whaterver is available?
[02:57] <jazzka> do you have file /dev/mixer ?
[02:57] <jazzka> I dont! and mplayer needs it!
[02:57] <bob2> no it doesn't
[02:58] <bob2> mplayer -ao alsa your_pirated_movie.avi
[02:58] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:58] <aitrus> lol
[02:58] <jazzka> bob2, -ao is for alsa output?
[02:58] <bob2> no.
[02:59] <aitrus> swim: sure, just use the printer setup gui and fill in as much info as you can... just select networked-printer and go for it
[02:59] <cfactor> I would've guessed audio output.
[02:59] <bob2> read the manpage, -ao lets you specify an audio output plugin, in this case "alsa".
[02:59] <bob2> cfactor: right.
[02:59] <swim> whats the Xf86 config file called?
[02:59] <swim> oh got it
[03:00] <swim> oh does anyone know how to turn of virtual memory?
[03:00] <cfactor> in windows or linux?
[03:00] <swim> linux
[03:01] <bob2> you don't.
[03:01] <bob2> just leave it.
[03:01] <swim> I dont really use windows, just setting something up for someone
[03:01] <swim> how come?
[03:01] <bob2> why do you want to disable it?
[03:01] <cfactor> you should listen to bob2, but if you want, just do "swapoff /dev/whatever"
[03:01] <cfactor> or with 2.6 kernel, you can recompile with the option off.
[03:02] <swim> my comp-sci teacher told me that leaving virtual mem seriously slows down performance... unless he meant only for windows...
[03:03] <bob2> your CS teacher was talking about windows or wrong.
[03:03] <cfactor> that's ancient history.  os'es have gotten smarter.
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> swim: Actually, XP wont run well without it
[03:04] <cfactor> wall
[03:04] <cfactor> oops.  so guys, how different is ubuntu from debian as far as config file structures go?  same?
[03:04] <bob2> swim: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html
[03:05] <swim> oh ok, how odd that he felt the need to say that then, he has struken me to be quite on the ball...
[03:05] <bob2> cfactor: the same.
[03:05] <cfactor> is this a high school teacher?
[03:05] <swim> ok thank you bob2
[03:06] <cfactor> my high school cs teacher knew the traditional stuff well, but he didn't really keep up to date with the trends.
[03:07] <cfactor> (which is why I had to learn COBOL - in 90's.)
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> cfactor: Me too!
[03:07] <bob2> cfactor: but think, if ever you get sucked into a time vortex and get dropped in 1978...you're totally employable!
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> cfactor: and CICS
[03:08] <cfactor> what I should've done was brush up on it in 1999.
[03:11] <cfactor> Phr0stByte : I think you got me beat.  I never even heard of CICS.
[03:11] <Phr0stByte> heh
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> Its the stuff bank terninals are programed with - before touch screen ATMs
[03:12] <cfactor> so for guys who went to ubuntu from debian, what were your reasons?
[03:13] <maswan> cfactor: debugging the installer
[03:14] <maswan> (well, the first one I _tried_ to switch on wouldn't install, and the reason for wanting to switch there was proper security updates for amd64)
[03:14] <cfactor> ubuntu doesn't "force" gnome on you, does it?
[03:14] <bob2> cfactor: correct
[03:14] <bob2> but it is the default, and KDE is not in "supported".
[03:14] <cfactor> maswan : yeah, I'm currently using deb unstable, and would appreciate faster security updates.
[03:15] <cfactor> bob2: PekWM all the way for me.
[03:15] <bob2> hah
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> cfactor: you misspelled grace
[03:15] <maswan> fvwm!
[03:16] <cfactor> grace?  urlP?
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> cfactor: "force" should have been "grace"
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> lol
[03:16] <cfactor> oh, I thought you were referring to my pekwm remark.
[03:17] <cfactor> The only gui stuff I use are firefox and gaim, so most wms are overkill for me.
[03:18] <aitrus> okay, i just ran "apt-get upgrade" and it downgraded my version of FireFox to 0.9.3
[03:18] <Phr0stByte> aitrus: no it didnt
[03:18] <Phr0stByte> aitrus: You were using a pre release before
[03:19] <aitrus> Phr0stByte: what in the world happened then?
[03:19] <bob2> erm, it may have
[03:19] <bob2> we're going with 0.9.3 because 0.10 had some really annoying bugs
[03:19] <neuro_> RTFUML :)
[03:19] <aitrus> the UML?
[03:20] <neuro_> Users Mailing List
[03:20] <bob2> I'd never wish UML on anyway.
[03:20] <bob2> oh.
[03:20] <aitrus> is there a trimmed down version of the UML?  =)
[03:20] <aitrus> or is the UML not for "discussion"?
[03:20] <aitrus> cause i don't want a bunch of requests and stuff in my mailbox
[03:21] <aitrus> i just want the skinny from the people in charge  =)
[03:21] <bob2> there's ubuntu traffic
[03:21] <neuro_> which isn't real time
[03:21] <bob2> but it only comes out weekly
[03:21] <neuro_> (natch)
[03:21] <neuro_> there's the lists on gmane tho
[03:21] <cfactor> wall
[03:22] <cfactor> damn, bad habit...
[03:22] <aitrus> is it okay to comment out the cdrom source in my apt sources once i get everything installed?
[03:22] <aitrus> it's an old version anyway
[03:23] <bob2> yes
[03:23] <aitrus> rock
[03:23] <aitrus> i did that, and then got the firefox downgrade and wondered if i fubar'd something
[03:23] <bob2> hah, jeffitis is infesting the ubuntu world
[03:23] <bob2> the downgrade was a special case and will only happen rarely
[03:23] <daniels> bob2: one of my friends is saying 'rad'
[03:24] <bob2> be worried it if turns to k-rad.
[03:24] <aitrus> is there any cross-posting between ubuntu-announce and ubuntu-security-announce?
[03:24] <bob2> based on how debian works, I doubt it
[03:25] <cfactor> how big is the ubuntu package list compared to debian?  My main worry is the lack of packages.
[03:25] <bob2> cfactor: supported is ~1500, universe is nearly everything else from sid
[03:25] <robertj> and what is there is rather good
[03:26] <bob2> some stuff is missing from universe because it had buidl problems or whatever...if someone fixes them, they can be added too
[03:26] <cfactor> sounds good.  I've learned from XandrOS that mixing deb packages from different distros is just bad voodoo.
[03:27] <bob2> yeah, the aim of universe is that you don't have to
[03:28] <smo> "apt-cache stats" reports 13628 "Normal Packages" on mine (main+restricted+universe), compared to 14274 on my sarge box.  looks like you shouldn't miss much
[03:28] <cfactor> are the kernel installation the same when compiling custom kernels?  (make-kpkg?)
[03:28] <bob2> cfactor: yes.
[03:28] <bob2> cfactor: note that the ubuntu kernel sources support far far far far more hardware than kernel.org ones
[03:29] <cfactor> Okay, then here's the hard question.  Anyone here running ubuntu on a transmeta cpu?
[03:29] <swim> aitrus, so what would a URI be?
[03:29] <tacoma> I've only had to go outside ubuntu for my webcam(spca5xx), ATI AIW(gatos), and xawtv
[03:30] <swim> aitrus, or for that matter, what would a SBM number or whatever look like?
[03:30] <cfactor> debian's XFree86 deb package has a transmeta specific bug that forces me to reboot every day or two.
[03:31] <bob2> it's a bug in the cpu, not in X
[03:31] <aitrus> swim: i can't help you if you don't know what your printer uses, sorry.  from what you have told me, your printer is not using SMB.  so it's either IPP or LPR
[03:31] <cfactor> maybe.  I don't know the exact nature of it.  But I've been told some combination of XFree compile option fixes it.
[03:32] <aitrus> swim: if there is some sort of config interface for your printer (like a web interface) that would help [you]  a lot
[03:33] <swim> aitrus, ok so if it were LPR what number or name... would I be looking for?
[03:33] <cfactor> and I never had the problem until I put debian on it.
[03:35] <tacoma> swimL my HP Jetdirect has a telnet config menu, maybe your printer does to
[03:35] <swim> gotta run thanks aitrus, Ill bb tomorrow
[03:35] <tacoma> swim: try telnet <ip-address>
[03:43] <jgeorgeson> is there no more standalone mime-type configuring program? it's just properties/"open with" on a file of the type you want to modify?
[03:44] <jgeorgeson> hello?
[03:44] <bob2> hi.
[03:44] <jgeorgeson> i've never seen this channel so quiet
[03:44] <joem> jgeorgeson, yea
[03:45] <jgeorgeson> joem, yea to my opening question? or yea it's quiet?
[03:46] <joem> yea there is no more standalone capplet
[03:46] <aitrus> weeeeeee!  having 2 kernels installed and trying to use nvidia breaks stuff... =)
[03:47] <aitrus> apparently i forgot to remove my old kernel after upgrading...
[03:47] <jgeorgeson> joem, thx
[03:47] <joem> aitrus, that shouldn't matter
[03:47] <cfactor> nvidia needs to be recompiled after you boot with the new kernel.
[03:48] <aitrus> joem: it did.  nvidia was installed for the 2.6.8.1-2 kernel, but not the -3 one
[03:48] <aitrus> cfactor: you don't have to compile it, it's a package
[03:48] <GOwin> by default, can ubuntu read files from XP shared folders?
[03:49] <cfactor> sorry, I'm in the habit of make-kpkg.
[03:49] <tck>  have u samba set up?
[03:49] <joem> aitrus, that doesn't mean you can't have multiple versions
[03:49] <joem> just need to have the nvidia module in the modules dir for each kernel 
[03:49] <aitrus> joem: i just didn't install the version for it after updating
[03:49] <GOwin> tck, i'm not sure. i don't think so.
[03:49] <tck> GOwin by default its in ubuntu
[03:49] <joem> which means re running the nvidia package after a kernel upgrade
[03:50] <aitrus> right.
[03:50] <tck> go to Computer > Networking etc..
[03:50] <aitrus> took me a second to realize that.  =)
[03:50] <tck> should be in /etc/samba
[03:50] <Se7h> YEY
[03:50] <Se7h> i have my 200gb back
[03:50] <Se7h> :)
[03:50] <Se7h> hello everyone
[03:50] <tck> GOwin, man samba
[03:50] <aitrus> i assumed that doing an apt-get upgrade woudl upgrade the kernel and blow away the old one, hence updating modules... i was wrong. =)
[03:50] <GOwin> well, i can see the windows pcs in the network, but i can't seem to get in my shared windows folder.
[03:51] <cfactor> It's safer to keep the older kernel around in case the new one won't boot.
[03:51] <hartbrkr> I'm trying to run ubuntu in vmware with winxp as the host system. it runs, but when I try to install vmware tools, it says the "The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.0-test7) does not match your running kernel version (version 2.6.8.1-2-386) .. I checked the package manager and it said the kernel headers package was up to date .. anyone know why I'm having this problem? I found the kernel headers in /usr/include/linux i think..
[03:51] <tck> GOwin, go to file and connect to share etc..
[03:51] <tck> play around with it a bit :)
[03:52] <aitrus> cfactor: that's true when you make your own... however, i woudl say that minor updates to the default kernel shouldn't be a problem.  if they are, you have bigger problems than that.
[03:52] <aitrus> cfactor: but that's just me
[03:52] <don-o_> whats the name of the gnu c++ package?
[03:53] <joem> better safe then sorry
[03:53] <bob2> don-o_: g++
[03:53] <bob2> but just install build-essential
[03:54] <smo> hartbrkr: You want the kernel headers that match your specific kernel, not just the most recent.  so you'll need to install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-i386
[03:54] <don-o_> bob2 interesting. but it wasnt to build gcc/g++ 3.3 and i've got gcc 3.4
[03:54] <don-o_> s/wasnt/wants
[03:55] <hartbrkr> smo: where do i get those kernel headers? can I use that synaptic program to get them?
[03:55] <bob2> don-o_: ubuntu's default compiler is gcc 3.3
[03:55] <smo> hartbrkr: it should beable to.  Hit search on the toolbar, and look for linux-headers
[03:56] <GOwin> tck, i've been playing with it since yesterday with no success. :(
[03:56] <tck> :/
[03:56] <bob2> on i386 and ppc at least
[04:03] <don-o_> where is it that I can add a command to start a program when I login?
[04:04] <hartbrkr> smo: the vmware-tools installer says i have kernel version 2.6.8.1-2-386, and in synaptic, there's only 2.6.8.1-3-386 .. would that work ok? there's no -2-386 headers
[04:04] <GOwin> what's the difference between "mark for removal" and "mark for complete removal" from synaptics?
[04:05] <smo> hartbrkr: you'll probably want linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 to match then.  sounds like the kernel's been upgraded since, and hasn't been upgraded on your machine
[04:05] <aitrus> complete removal removes old config stuff as well
[04:06] <hartbrkr> smo: so in synaptic i can just install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 and install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 and that's all I'll have to do? or would I have to mess around with GRUB to get the kernel working?
[04:07] <smo> hartbrkr: grub should be taken care of as part of the package installation .. you'll most likely just need to reboot
[04:07] <hartbrkr> cool, i'll give it a shot .. thanks 
[04:08] <tck> hartbrkr, nope, but there is an update to grub as well, no harm in getting it ; then reboot
[04:09] <hartbrkr> thanks
[04:09] <cfactor> go bittorrent, go!  good to see a linux distro that has an official torrent for cd images.
[04:11] <tck> cfactor, whats the name ?
[04:11] <cfactor> slackware!
[04:11] <bob2> (ubuntu)
[04:12] <tck> um.. lol.. i thought he was refering to a bittorrent clien
[04:12] <tck> *t
[04:12] <tck> my bad
[04:12] <bob2> ubuntu includes bt clients, too
[04:12] <tck> yeah thats what i was wondering
[04:13] <tck> know any off hand ?
[04:13] <bob2> bittornado
[04:13] <joem> the stock client and bittornado are in universe
[04:13] <bob2> bittorrent
[04:13] <tck> cool :)
[04:13] <tck> whats the name of that popular java one
[04:13] <bob2> azuerus
[04:13] <tck> azereus ?
[04:13] <tck> yeah thats it 
[04:13] <bob2> it requires non-free java, sadly
[04:13] <tck> :/
[04:14] <joem> there is no advantage to using it afaik
[04:14] <neuro_> itym azureus
[04:14] <neuro_> tis very nice
[04:14] <neuro_> waffer-theen
[04:14] <tck> im trying to find the ubuntu wallpapers stuck up on kde-look.org
[04:14] <joem> whats it do that other clients don't?
[04:14] <tck> joem, just supposed to be slick 
[04:14] <tacoma> I really like azureus, it gives you very fine control
[04:14] <neuro_> tis very configurable and easy to use
[04:14] <bob2> use tens of megabytes of ram and all your cpu
[04:15] <aitrus> bittornado replaces bittorrent? (package wise)
[04:15] <joem> what does it do that bittornado doesn't?
[04:15] <neuro_> bob2: so does firefox - what's new?
[04:15] <bob2> yes
[04:15] <tacoma> but I've never used bittornado
[04:15] <bob2> neuro_: with webpages, you care how they look.  downloading torrents are just small graphs that move over until they say 100%.
[04:15] <neuro_> bob2: strange how it hasn't chewed cpu on my machine then
[04:16] <tacoma> azureus lets you prioritize torents, both when downloading and uploading
[04:16] <neuro_> using loads of ram i can understand, as it may be tasked to track hundreds if not thousands of active connections
[04:16] <hartbrkr> tck: I didn't see any update for grub .. is it in synaptic?
[04:16] <tacoma> azureus lets you adjust settings on when to starve other peers
[04:16] <tck> apt-get install grub
[04:17] <joem> bittornado does all of that
[04:19] <Se7h> one question a bit OT
[04:19] <hartbrkr> thanks
[04:19] <Se7h> does reiserFS works fine on 2.8 kernel ?
[04:20] <joem> dunno, there is no 2.8 kernel
[04:20] <Se7h> dam
[04:20] <Se7h> 2.6
[04:20] <Se7h> lol
[04:20] <joem> works the same as reiser on other kernels
[04:21] <joem> which isn't really a positive comment..
[04:21] <Se7h> hmmm
[04:21] <bob2> ubuntu does not include reiser4 support, if that's what you're asking.
[04:21] <Se7h> ok a simpler Q
[04:22] <Se7h> bob2 no ?
[04:22] <joem> no distros include reiser4 support afaik
[04:22] <bob2> it's still pre-pre-alpha
[04:23] <aitrus> bob2: i think Yoper does if you can call that a distro  =)
[04:23] <Se7h> gentoo does to
[04:23] <bob2> I should go find out wtf yopper is
[04:23] <joem> gentoo doesn't
[04:23] <aitrus> bob2: don't bother
[04:23] <bob2> people keep going on and on about it 
[04:23] <aitrus> i don't like it
[04:23] <Se7h> joem oh it does
[04:24] <Se7h> its on the manual
[04:24] <Se7h> go read it
[04:24] <Se7h> lol
[04:24] <aitrus> to me, it seems like a distro that tried to take a bunch of good stuff from other distros, but failed
[04:24] <tacoma> I use Reiser on my gentoo media server
[04:24] <Se7h> see...
[04:24] <joem> Se7h, it contains ebuilds for -mm that have reiser4 options, but none of the devs will support it
[04:24] <tacoma> I have used it to good effect
[04:24] <aitrus> but i guess that's an opinion for a different channel... =)
[04:24] <joem> but you can feel free to ask in #gentoo about that
[04:27] <pedro_g> i'd like to configure service etc. is there a standard way to do that other than tweaking the rc.d directories?
[04:28] <cfactor> update-rc.d?
[04:29] <pedro_g> i'm a refuge from fedora - there was a cute little gui they had (service conf)
[04:30] <pedro_g> listed everything that was available and a little blurb about what it was for.
[04:30] <cfactor> update-rc.d is sorta like chkconfig in the redhat world.
[04:30] <pedro_g> thnx - i'll give it a look
[04:34] <tacoma> bbl
[04:36] <GOwin> how do i re-configure openoffice to read wordperfect files?
[04:45] <GOwin> how do i become root in my box? i thought the first account i make in ubuntu is root.
[04:45] <GOwin> i need to change some file permissions
[04:47] <cfactor> shouldn't it have asked you for root password in the beginning, or is it like OSX where you have to enable it manually?
[04:48] <cfactor> If you don't know the password, just boot in single user mode and change the password.
[04:49] <joem> the user account you create has full sudo privs
[04:50] <GOwin> can i do the file permissions changing using a GUI? im new to linux
[04:50] <joem> if you have permissions to change the file
[04:51] <GOwin> i did setup the box for my experimentatino.
[04:51] <joem> you can change perms from the properties menu in nautilus
[04:52] <GOwin> i have already tried the nautilus menu. it has a message saying that "you are not the owner, syou can't change these permissions.". it says file owner is root
[04:53] <bob2> GOwin: what file are you trying to change the permissions of?
[04:53] <smo> it's a shame there's not more integration between sudo & nautilus
[04:53] <GOwin> the ./phpldapadmin/config.php
[04:54] <bob2> GOwin: why are you doing that?
[04:54] <GOwin> do i have to do a sudo thing first?
[04:54] <bob2> no.
[04:54] <GOwin> i'm installing egroupware. it needs to access that file.
[04:56] <cfactor> Okay, I'm gonna go home and install Ubuntu.  Thanks guys!
[04:57] <defendguin> punkass_ you around?
[04:59] <GOwin> hello? so, how do i change file permissions?
[04:59] <GOwin> command line?
[04:59] <defendguin> chmod
[05:00] <defendguin> or you can right click on a file in nautilus
[05:00] <pedro_g> does ubuntu have gnome system tools?  http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/runlevel.jpg
[05:00] <joem> man chmod should have everything you need
[05:00] <joem> pedro_g, the runlevels tool isn't supported on ubuntu or upstream
[05:01] <joem> but it has users, time, network
[05:01] <GOwin> tried the nautilus. it say's it's owned by root.
[05:01] <pedro_g> darn - i'm going to have to stop being so lazy
[05:01] <pedro_g> gowin if root owns the file root has to change the permisions
[05:01] <joem> heh, yes you are
[05:02] <pedro_g> nautilus only has your permissions
[05:02] <pedro_g> sudo chmod ....
[05:02] <pedro_g> or install the groupware as root - not sure what's approriate from a security perspective
[05:05] <linux_mafia> GOwin, enable the root account, install, disable it again, easy
[05:06] <GOwin> sorry for having the lame questions. i'm very new to linux.
[05:07] <joem> usually with those phpadmin config files, I think you are suposed to change the perms, write the config, then change them back
[05:07] <joem> the config files shouldn't be writable except when you need to change something
[05:10] <GOwin> linux_mafia. how do i enable root account?
[05:13] <linux_mafia> GOwin, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> I put some extra variables and path elements in/etc/profile, and even after a full reboot they are not part of my environment (bash login shell)
[05:14] <bob2> sure it's a login shell?
[05:15] <jgeorgeson> when I login from gdm, shouldn't that be a login shell, so that variables in /etc/profile will be available to the whole session?
[05:16] <bob2> nope.
[05:16] <RAruler> I'm having some serious issues trying to get a module to load automatically, I've got "alias char-major-61 lirc_gpio" in /etc/modutils/lirc, I've run update-modules, but when I reboot lirc_gpio isn't in lsmod, and dmesg doesn't have anything
[05:18] <RAruler> modprobe lirc_gpio works though
[05:18] <GOwin> is it possible to browse files in nautilis while sudo'd as root?
[05:18] <jgeorgeson> so ... what should I be using then?
[05:19] <bob2> RAruler: just put the module name in /etc/modules
[05:19] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, one user or multiple?
[05:19] <bob2> jgeorgeson: /etc/environment maybe?
[05:19] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia, preferrably something global, although it doesn't really matter
[05:20] <jgeorgeson> GOwin, sudo nautilus --no-desktop --browser
[05:20] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, well edits to ~/.bashrc work for a single user
[05:20] <RAruler> bob2: trying that now, I think that'll work
[05:21] <bob2> RAruler: it's the way to get modules loaded at boot
[05:22] <RAruler> bob2: it worked!
[05:22] <RAruler> bob2: thanks
[05:22] <bob2> you're welcome.
[05:22] <jgeorgeson> brb
[05:23] <GOwin> thanks jgeorgeson. i'd say that GUIs are really helpful for newbies like me.
[05:37] <hazmat> wohoo! i'm not sure what changed, but something in the last day, just doubled my battery life.
[05:38] <hazmat> doh spoke too soon
[05:42] <dayson> hey can I use debian respositories on Ubuntu apt-get?
[05:42] <crimsun> it's generally discouraged
[05:43] <dayson> so no
[05:43] <dayson> shit
[05:43] <crimsun> Ubuntu has 'universe', which is Sid packages recompiled for Ubuntu
[05:43] <crimsun> but--
[05:43] <crimsun> there are notable exceptions
[05:43] <dayson> I cant find crap on apt-get right now
[05:43] <crimsun> for instance, Christian Marillat's mplayer repository
[05:44] <dayson> I want to install cedege but I cant cause it wont recognize the libpng3 file that I installed
[05:44] <crimsun> cedega, you mean?
[05:44] <linux_mafia> crimsun, many of christians packages are in multiverse
[05:44] <dayson> yeah!
[05:44] <RAruler> is there a particular good way to force installing a package, i'm trying to install mythtv, but it wants a different non-ubuntu version of libqt3mt
[05:46] <dayson> crimsun, so what should I do? I like this distro but I cant install anything and I want to be able to play steam but I cant if winex wont work
[05:46] <crimsun> linux_mafia: i haven't checked myself, but i'll take your word for it :)
[05:47] <MepisBelle> linux_mafia: Boooo!
[05:47] <crimsun> dayson: are you trying to compile cedega, or are you trying to install the deb?
[05:47] <linux_mafia> heh
[05:47] <linux_mafia> MepisBelle, lurker
[05:47] <mike_douglas> is the ubuntu kernel getting inotify any time soon?
[05:47] <MepisBelle> linux_mafia: Traitor
[05:47] <crimsun> mike_douglas: probably not
[05:47] <linux_mafia> MepisBelle, what?
[05:47] <crimsun> (though it's not my call)
[05:48] <MepisBelle> linux_mafia: lol
[05:48] <leetleboy> has anyone gotten ubuntu to work on an old-world mac?
[05:50] <linux_mafia> leetleboy, is a yosemite g3 old-world?
[05:52] <leetleboy> i think so.
[05:52] <leetleboy> if you're using bootx it is
[05:54] <dayson> crimsun, install the deb
[05:54] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:55] <crimsun> moin fabbione 
[05:55] <crimsun> dayson: and which packages is it hitching on?
[05:55] <dayson> libpng3
[05:55] <dayson> which I think I have
[05:56] <crimsun> dpkg -l libpng3|grep ^ii
[05:56] <dayson> that did nothing
[05:56] <crimsun> so it's not installed
[05:57] <dayson> I havedayson@Dayson ~ $ dpkg -l libpng3-dev|grep ^ii
[05:57] <dayson> ii  libpng3-dev    1.2.5.0-7      PNG library - development, compatibility pac
[05:57] <dayson> thats the one I installed libpng3-dev
[05:57] <crimsun> that's the old version
[05:57] <dayson> no fair
[05:58] <dayson> well I tried sudo apt-get install libpng3 and I get some crap about how its there
[05:59] <crimsun> sec.
[05:59] <crimsun> err
[05:59] <crimsun> sorry
[06:00] <crimsun> i was looking at something else
[06:00] <dayson> its okay
[06:00] <crimsun> libpng12-0 and libpng3 are the correct ones
[06:00] <crimsun> they should both be 1.2.5.0-7
[06:00] <dayson> damn
[06:00] <dayson> it says I have those or something like that
[06:00] <crimsun> what version of cedega are you trying to install?
[06:00] <dayson> dayson@Dayson ~ $ dpkg -l libpng12-0|grep ^ii
[06:00] <dayson> ii  libpng12-0     1.2.5.0-7      PNG library - runtime
[06:01] <crimsun> ii  cedega         4.0.1-1        TransGaming Technologies' Windows game compa
[06:01] <crimsun> is what I have.
[06:02] <dayson> cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:02] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:02] <crimsun> could you paste the output to pastebin.com please?
[06:02] <defendguin> hmm
[06:03] <defendguin> where are you getting the cedega deb from?
[06:03] <dayson> dpkg: error processing cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[06:03] <dayson>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:03] <dayson> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:03] <dayson>  cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:03] <bob2> defendguin: transgaming sells it
[06:03] <crimsun> dayson: you need the correct path to the .deb
[06:03] <defendguin> bob2, my computer sucks so much i cant play any good games
[06:04] <defendguin> nothing graphical anyway
[06:04] <dayson> oops I knew that
[06:04] <soleblaze> I accadentally deleted my top gnome panel.. how do I get it back without having to redo all the applets?
[06:05] <dayson> dayson@Dayson ~/Desktop $ sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:05] <dayson> Selecting previously deselected package cedega.
[06:05] <dayson> (Reading database ... 61436 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:05] <dayson> Unpacking cedega (from cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[06:05] <dayson> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[06:05] <dayson>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[06:05] <dayson>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[06:05] <dayson> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[06:05] <dayson>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[06:05] <dayson> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:05] <dayson>  cedega
[06:05] <bob2> dayson: install libpng3.
[06:05] <dayson> thats what my problem is I tried that
[06:05] <bob2> and what error did that give?
[06:05] <crimsun> dayson: well, you have -dev installed.
[06:06] <dayson> dayson@Dayson ~/Desktop $ sudo apt-get install libpng3
[06:06] <dayson> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:06] <dayson> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:06] <dayson> Package libpng3 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:06] <dayson> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:06] <dayson> is only available from another source
[06:06] <dayson> E: Package libpng3 has no installation candidate
[06:06] <_brandx_> just seen this over at slashdot in the linux section: http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:06] <bob2> dayson: fix your sources.list to include universe
[06:06] <dayson> bob2: how do I do that?
[06:07] <dayson> Brandx: can you give me a link?
[06:07] <bob2> dayson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=universe
[06:08] <phin_> how do i reconfigure apt to ask me more questions when i apt-get something, and what would be the pacakge i would want to reconfigure after that to setup how x fonts server works?  
[06:09] <bob2> sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[06:09] <bob2> "how x fonts server works"?
[06:09] <defendguin> is is possible to do a click install of a deb?
[06:09] <defendguin> what do you open it with?
[06:09] <bob2> "click install"?
[06:09] <phin_> bob: when you first install the xserver under debian, it ask you how you want fonts handled
[06:10] <bob2> phin_: you mean defoma?
[06:10] <phin_> i dont want them antialiased, so i need to get back to that config
[06:10] <phin_> ya
[06:10] <phin_> i guess
[06:10] <defendguin> bob2, yeah click om it and it installs
[06:10] <defendguin> s/om/on
[06:10] <bob2> you can't with .debs.
[06:10] <bob2> phin_: no
[06:10] <defendguin> bob2, :(
[06:10] <bob2> phin_: use the gnome font control thing
[06:10] <bob2> defendguin: use synaptic
[06:10] <phin_> i dont have gnome install
[06:11] <phin_> i did a custom install
[06:11] <phin_> this pc is to slow for gnome :P
[06:11] <defendguin> bob2, synaptic is bulky fo just installing
[06:11] <Pete-Gas> has anyone setup ubuntu to work with ldap authentication?
[06:11] <defendguin> maybe i can "open with ..." dpkg -i and check the open in terminal
[06:12] <phin_> ok brb
[06:12] <defendguin> no i guess not
[06:13] <mike_douglas> http://ubuntuforums.org/screenshot/Screenshot.png - anyone know where to get that wallpaper?
[06:14] <dayson> Bob2: okay I think I added the universe thingy
[06:15] <defendguin> mike_douglas, nice let me know if you find out
[06:17] <defendguin> mike_douglas, i i drew that globe
[06:17] <defendguin> ugggg
[06:17] <defendguin> damn gpl
[06:18] <tvon|x31> ?
[06:20] <joem> that image is from the livecd
[06:20] <joem> its the bootsplash iirc
[06:20] <defendguin> really?
[06:21] <bob2> the GPl doesn't apply to the original authoer.
[06:22] <defendguin> i wasnt the original author someone else drew edit an i think i remember adding the brown edges around the continents
[06:22] <joem> mike_douglas, http://www.alextreme.org/warthog/
[06:22] <joem> in the ubuntu-artwork tarball
[06:23] <joem> that image is there, ubuntu.jpg
[06:24] <mike_douglas> joem: thanks
[06:26] <defendguin> i have the ubuntu-artwork package why dont i have that background?
[06:26] <joem> it is a different package
[06:26] <joem> that is the package from one of the live cds
[06:27] <tvon|x31> its from the old ubuntu artwork I think
[06:27] <Pariente> hi u all
[06:27] <tvon|x31> it was in the pre-pre-release stuff
[06:27] <defendguin> lol ok
[06:27] <defendguin> file-roller can open up debs now cant it?
[06:27] <bob2> defendguin: why don't you just use dpkg?
[06:29] <dayson> omg lol I got it to work I think
[06:31] <dayson> okay i have the libpng3 installed and i did the sudo dpkg -1 cedega thing and it just said setting up and then quit
[06:31] <phlaegel> anybody burned an audio disc with k3b in ubuntu yet?
[06:33] <defendguin> bob2, i didnt want to install i just wanted that one file
[06:33] <defendguin> file-roller works nice for that
[06:33] <Pariente> people y just installed ubuntu in my PC but the internet doesn't work.....  I've tryed with newwor-admin... but nothing, can any one help me????
[06:33] <defendguin> why does ubuntu just have no grub splash screen?
[06:34] <jdub> we don't even bother showing grub, why have a splash screen?
[06:34] <joem> heh
[06:35] <dayson> bob2: any idea?
[06:35] <defendguin> jdub, i noticed
[06:36] <bob2> dayson: for what?
[06:36] <dayson> okay i have the libpng3 installed and i did the sudo dpkg -1 cedega thing and it just said setting up and then quit
[06:36] <bob2> "then quit"?
[06:36] <defendguin> please take no offense to this but ubuntu has the ugliest boot process i have ever seen
[06:36] <bob2> did it print an error?
[06:36] <dayson> nope
[06:37] <bob2> then it finished ok.
[06:37] <dayson> but I cant find it anywhere on my computer
[06:37] <bob2> dayson: dpkg -L cedega|grp bin
[06:37] <bob2> er, grep, not grp.
[06:37] <joem> looks the same as any other non bootsplash boot process
[06:37] <Pariente> people y just installed ubuntu in my PC but the internet doesn't work.....  I've tryed with newwor-admin... but nothing, can any one help me????
[06:37] <joem> so it can't be the ugliest, just tied with others maybe :)
[06:38] <dayson> okay so its there
[06:38] <dayson> how do I use it?
[06:38] <Pariente> Please!!!!!!!
[06:38] <jdub> defendguin: wait until hoary.
[06:38] <bob2> dayson: you bought winex and it didn't come with any instructions?
[06:39] <bob2> Pariente: you need to explain more what isn't working.
[06:39] <bob2> Pariente: like, how are you connected to the internet?  what have you setup so far?
[06:39] <cfactor> Okay, why does a "base" install need more than 500 MB of /var?
[06:39] <bob2> cfactor: packages?
[06:39] <daniels> cfactor: it copies over the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives before they are installed, so you don't need the CD in the second stage
[06:40] <cfactor> ah
[06:40] <cfactor> how big is the base install after it's been installed?
[06:40] <daniels> approx. 1.2GB
[06:40] <dayson> thanks bob2 I think I got it now
[06:40] <dayson> Night guys
[06:40] <Pariente> bob2: i hook to internet with a ethernet.... but ubuntu is not listennig to the eth0, how can i make it work
[06:41] <Pariente> everithing else work great
[06:41] <bob2> Pariente: it should get an IP via DHCP?
[06:41] <cfactor> no way to trim it down during the install stage?  I see a lot of packages I'd never use.
[06:41] <bob2> base isn't 1.2GB, desktop is
[06:41] <WW_> Has anybody tried Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Themes lately? Shouldn't double-clicking a theme load up that theme?
[06:41] <cfactor> Oh, okay.
[06:41] <bob2> use expert mode.
[06:41] <cfactor> thanks.
[06:42] <Pariente> bob2: yes i configured it like that with network-admin but it still won't work.
[06:42] <Pariente> IP via DHCP
[06:42] <bob2> Pariente: does ubuntu detect your NIC?
[06:42] <defendguin> jdub, i like ubuntu so much i think it will be worth the wait
[06:42] <clee> WW_: if you have upgraded your gtk packages after you started your GNOME session, I've found that theme switching doesn't seem to work
[06:44] <WW_> clee: I see.  Logout/login should fix it?
[06:44] <clee> WW_: yep
[06:44] <Pariente> sorry don't know, the thing it that when it was first installed the internet work ok (last night) but after rebooting this afternoon it stopt working 
[06:44] <WW_> clee: OK, thanks.
[06:45] <jdub> killing gnome-settings-daemon should do it
[06:45] <FLeiXiuS> Blah
[06:46] <bob2> Pariente: does "dmesg | grep eth" print anything out?
[06:47] <Pariente> ????
[06:47] <Pariente> i'm kind of new in linux... sorry
[06:49] <DougInKY> Is this an open chat?
[06:49] <bob2> anyone can talk, yes
[06:49] <bob2> Pariente: run that command from a shell
[06:49] <Pariente> ok
[06:49] <FLeiXiuS> sudo it would give a more accurate answer
[06:50] <DougInKY> Is it safe to force Ubuntu to upgrade Firefox to V1 pr?
[06:50] <Pariente> but i have to reboot, in the moment i'n using a live
[06:50] <bob2> FLeiXiuS: no, you don't need sudo
[06:50] <bob2> Pariente: run it from the livecd
[06:50] <FLeiXiuS> bob2, In some cases..for instance mine :-(
[06:50] <bob2> FLeiXiuS: you don't need sudo to run dmesg on ubuntu
[06:50] <FLeiXiuS> but then again my permissions are a bit screwy
[06:50] <DougInKY> What happened Bob?
[06:51] <bob2> DougInKY: ?
[06:51] <FLeiXiuS> bob2, Oh I wasn't doubting it, I know..I'm just saying
[06:51] <DougInKY> Sorry I thought you were answering me.
[06:51] <bob2> DougInKY: thom explained on the user list what the deal with firefox was.
[06:52] <DougInKY> K, will go look. TY
[06:52] <Pariente> as a su???
[06:52] <helix> Pariente: no
[06:52] <Pariente> eth0: Davicom DM9102 at pci01:0d.0, 00:08:a1:46:6e:36, irq 11.
[06:53] <dslmabon> how do i get mp3 encoding as an option in Sound Juicer in Ubuntu?
[06:53] <fabbione> hey helix 
[06:53] <helix> hey :)
[06:53] <fabbione> what's up? ;)
[06:54] <helix> I just wanted to stop by and check out the... scenery
[06:54] <fabbione> eheh
[06:54] <fabbione> it's nice to see you around
[06:55] <Pariente> it says: eth0: Davicom DM9102 at pci01:0d.0, 00:08:a1:46:6e:36, irq 11.
[06:56] <Pariente> now what???
[06:59] <clee> can anyone explain why I'm seeing this from cdrecord?
[06:59] <clee> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[07:00] <clee> I see that message, and cdrecord picks the scsi2_cd driver instead of the mmc_cdr driver for my drive
[07:00] <clee> which makes cdrecording fail completely
[07:00] <daniels> driver=mmc_cdr doesn't help any?
[07:00] <clee> nope.
[07:00] <clee> tried that.
[07:00] <clee> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[07:00] <clee> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[07:00] <clee> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[07:00] <clee> Using generic SCSI-2       CD-ROM driver (scsi2_cd).
[07:01] <clee> if I change to force it to use mmc_cdr, I get...
[07:01] <clee> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[07:01] <clee> cdrecord: WARNING: Trying to use other driver on known device.
[07:01] <clee> cdrecord: Cannot attach driver for CD/DVD-Recorder.
[07:02] <clee> (I just burned a CD on this drive the other night, so unless someone swapped out my hardware while I wasn't looking, I'm fairly certain that cdrecord is mistaken.)
[07:02] <kaplanfx> clee: did you burn it on another install?
[07:03] <kaplanfx> becuase burning is broken in kernel 2.6.8
[07:03] <kaplanfx> which is the default in ubuntu right no iirc
[07:03] <clee> kaplanfx: yeah, I did it with a 2.6.7 kernel IIRC
[07:03] <joem> I have burned cds with 2.8
[07:03] <clee> kaplanfx: the weird thing is that I can burn CD-Rs just fine from my laptop, also running ubuntu
[07:03] <kaplanfx> it will not detect your burner as cd-r capable
[07:03] <kaplanfx> joem: cd-rw?
[07:04] <joem> haven't tried cd-rw
[07:04] <joem> don't know if I have any laying around
[07:04] <kaplanfx> well cd burning is definately broken
[07:05] <clee> my laptop works fine with 2.6.8.1-2-386 and its DVD-ROM/CD-R drive
[07:05] <kaplanfx> werid
[07:05] <joem> I don't know about rw, but like I said, I have burned cds fine here with 2.6.8
[07:06] <Pariente> bob2: now what can i do???
[07:06] <joem> so cd burning isn't broken..I'm sure there would have been many more reports, as ubuntu ships with 2.6.8
[07:06] <kaplanfx>  The very important GET CONFIGURATION MMC command is rejected by the kernel for reasons I cannot see and writing commands like MODE SELECT also fail (K3b cannot detect CD writers without it) even when the device is opened O_RDWR
[07:07] <kaplanfx> nah it is most certainly broken
[07:07] <kaplanfx> I have heard many times
[07:07] <kaplanfx> it did not work for me
[07:07] <kaplanfx> but when I upgraded to 2.6.9-rc3 it worked fine
[07:07] <joem> good thing nobody told my cd writer then
[07:07] <clee> kaplanfx: where did you read that message about GET CONFIGURATION MMC?
[07:08] <tvon> Anyone know what the Amazon product is that is used on the userlinux plone site?
[07:08] <kaplanfx> clee: k3b.org
[07:08] <kaplanfx> clee: there is stuff on the kernel mailing list too
[07:08] <jgeorgeson> i'm trying to use apollon, and it is butt ugly. i installed kcontrol but the Index pane (the list of options to configure) is empty ... any suggestions?
[07:12] <joem> ah ok, so burning cds still works with root perms
[07:13] <clee> not here it doesn't
[07:14] <daniels> ubuntu distributes a patched 2.6.8.1, and iirc one of the fixes is to fix burning
[07:15] <kaplanfx> joem: didn't work at all for me
[07:15] <clee> daniels: hmmm. wonder if there's an updated patch for it then.
[07:33] <phlaegel> burning works ok for me in nautilus, but k3b doesn't detect my burners unless I run it through sudo. any fix for that?
[07:41] <kaplanfx> phlaegel: go into the k3b setup, and let k3b run cdrecord suid
[07:41] <phlaegel> doesn't help. I set cdrecord and cdrdao suid manually, but it makes no difference. and k3bsetup wouldn't run through sudo.
[07:55] <defendguin> http://www.cs.uno.edu/~jsunseri/ScreenShots/Screenshot.png   is this a bug of the trashcan applet or a bug of the picture?
[07:56] <defendguin> s/picture/icon
[07:56] <smeggy> looks like the panel is just large and has cut off the can pic
[07:56] <defendguin> it doesnt matter what size the panel is still the same
[07:56] <smeggy> hrm
[07:56] <smeggy> sounds like a badly made icon then
[07:56] <smeggy> because the icon scales a few intervals
[07:57] <smeggy> so if the panel is at a certain size, some of the icon is cutoff sometimes
[07:58] <defendguin> i think the applet is scaling it improperly
[07:58] <joem> that doesn't look like the default icon, so its probably the icon in the theme you are using
[07:58] <thursday> what's the fastest way to install a compiler and it's toolchain? i forgot :)
[07:58] <joem> the default trash icon scales ok here at that size
[07:58] <defendguin> joem, the applet should work with more than 1 icon theme
[07:58] <joem> defendguin, but if the icon from the other theme doesn't scale well, it isn't the applets fault
[07:59] <defendguin> joem, i also have the same problem with the gorilla trash icon
[07:59] <defendguin> joem, i think it has something to do with trashcans with lids on them
[08:00] <joem> ha
[08:00] <defendguin> i guess ill write sikkes a letter
[08:01] <defendguin> hmmm seb is here sometimes
[08:04] <tiagobugarin> what can i do to have my serial mouse detected by ubuntu?
[08:06] <tiagobugarin> what can i do to have my serial mouse detected by ubuntu?
[08:07] <tiagobugarin> any one know how to make a serial mouse be detected by ubuntu?
[08:09] <smeggy> change the mouse setting in /etc/X11/XF86Config to point to the tty your mouse is on
[08:10] <tiagobugarin> but how can i discover what that tty is?
[08:10] <crimsun> is it the only serial device you have?
[08:10] <smeggy> Is the mouse connected to the smaller 9 pin serial socket or the bigger one?
[08:11] <tiagobugarin> i think it is connected to the 9 pin... my keyboard is also a serial
[08:15] <tiagobugarin> hello!!
[08:15] <smeggy> hi..
[08:16] <smeggy> try /dev/ttyS0
[08:16] <smeggy> if that doesnt work just increment and try again
[08:16] <tiagobugarin> humm
[08:16] <tiagobugarin> ok
[08:18] <tiagobugarin> smeggy: WORKING!!!! thanks man!!!
[08:18] <smeggy> np mate
[08:19] <dkconstant> need a hand accessing /dev/hda.  won't lemme reset the permissions and all of my music is on that HD.
[08:20] <dkconstant> anyone have a clue?  one they'd care to share?
[08:21] <crimsun> dkconstant: come again? please describe your configuration more explicitly.
[08:21] <dkconstant> dual boot system.  /dev/hda is win xp pro.  /dev/hdb is fresh install of ubuntu 4.1
[08:22] <dkconstant> and the filemanager won't let me access /hda either under my normal name (michael) or under root.
[08:22] <smeggy> have you mounted it?
[08:22] <dkconstant> er, lemme try.
[08:22] <smeggy> or are you trying to access the block device
[08:23] <crimsun> and what filesystem is it running?
[08:23] <crimsun> NTFS?
[08:23] <dkconstant> it's running NTFS.
[08:23] <smeggy> are you in fact mounting it?
[08:23] <crimsun> what smeggy said.
[08:23] <dkconstant> er, can't quite figure out how.
[08:24] <dkconstant> "mount: can't find /dev/hda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[08:24] <smeggy> dkconstant, if you goto the computer menu and click disks.. does it show there?
[08:24] <dkconstant> negative, smeggy.
[08:24] <smeggy> ok
[08:24] <smeggy> what was the command you used to try and mount it just then?
[08:25] <dkconstant> "mount /dev/hda"
[08:25] <crimsun> can't do that
[08:25] <smeggy> ok
[08:25] <smeggy> you need to give it a mount point
[08:25] <crimsun> (need an actual partition ;-)
[08:25] <dkconstant> okie dokie.
[08:25] <smeggy> to mkdir /mnt/ntfs or something
[08:25] <dkconstant> aaaand...  how do i do that?
[08:25] <smeggy> (pick a name other than ntfs if you want)
[08:25] <dkconstant> ok.  lemme give it a shot.
[08:26] <smeggy> then try mount /dev/hdax /mnt/ntfs -t ntfs
[08:26] <smeggy> then cd to /mnt/ntfs if it mounted
[08:26] <crimsun> be sure to replace the 'x' in /dev/hdax with the partition #
[08:26] <dkconstant> "could not be loaded.  you don't have permission to access."
[08:27] <smeggy> Hrm.
[08:27] <dkconstant> exactly.
[08:27] <smeggy> Did you prefix the command with sudo?
[08:27] <dkconstant> i'm running the terminal as root.  a no-no, i know.
[08:27] <smeggy> Ah thats fine.
[08:28] <smeggy> Hrm.
[08:28] <smeggy> Can you paste the exact error? or was that the exact error?
[08:28] <dkconstant> uh huh.  "hrm."
[08:28] <smeggy> And also show me the command you just tried in full...
[08:28] <dkconstant> lemme git it another go.
[08:29] <dkconstant> ok, just tried it again.  
[08:29] <dkconstant> root@wintermute:/ # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs -t ntfs
[08:29] <dkconstant> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/ntfs busy
[08:29] <dkconstant> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/ntfs
[08:29] <smeggy> its mounted
[08:29] <smeggy> do cd /mnt/ntfs
[08:29] <smeggy> then ls
[08:30] <smeggy> and see if your stuff is there.
[08:30] <dkconstant> oh. DUH.  
[08:30] <dkconstant> yeah, i mounted it and then tried to cd to /dev/hda.
[08:30] <dkconstant> like a 'tard.
[08:30] <TerminX> is there any way to stop smbmount from being having suid unset every time the package is upgraded?
[08:30] <smeggy> ;)
[08:30] <smeggy> So it worked?
[08:30] <smeggy> :)
[08:31] <smeggy> dkconstant, you could add it to /etc/fstab if you wanted it to automount every boot.
[08:31] <dkconstant> alrighty.  that'll probably be my next step.
[08:31] <dkconstant> my last linux experience was mandrake.
[08:31] <dkconstant> i'm used to having my hand held a bit more than this.
[08:31] <smeggy> Pretty straightforward.
[08:32] <smeggy> Just open /etc/fstab, its fairly obvious.
[08:32] <smeggy> essentially, you'll need an entry like:
[08:32] <smeggy> this: /dev/hda1    /mnt/ntfs  ntfs defaults 0 1
[08:32] <dkconstant> i was just puzzling that bit out.
[08:33] <dkconstant> are those columns tab-seperated?
[08:33] <crimsun> whitespace-delimited
[08:33] <smeggy> As long as ther is some whitespace it doesn't matter.
[08:33] <dkconstant> oh, groovy.  danke shoen.
[08:34] <smeggy> np
[08:35] <dkconstant> and since i did all that as root, how do i give myself permissions (vis suid, i suppose) to access /mnt/ntfs via my user account?
[08:35] <smeggy> after the default bit in fstab
[08:35] <smeggy> add ,user
[08:36] <smeggy> no space
[08:36] <smeggy> err
[08:36] <smeggy> no wait thats wrong sorry
[08:36] <smeggy> not 100% sure how actually
[08:37] <smeggy> Nice hostname btw ;)
[08:37] <dkconstant> and the nautilus text editor won't let me edit fstab, even after being launced from a root terminal.
[08:37] <crimsun> dkconstant: need to use a umask parameter
[08:38] <dkconstant> i was wondering how many people had read neuromancer...
[08:38] <dkconstant> smeggy, danke.
[08:38] <smeggy> Same as my laptop :)
[08:38] <dkconstant> crimsun, don't know what that means.  sorry.
[08:39] <smeggy> dkconstant, just use the command line editor "pico" less hassle.
[08:39] <crimsun> dkconstant: need a umask option; the man page for mount(8) will shed some light.
[08:40] <attitude> Morning room
[08:40] <smeggy> afternoon
[08:40] <attitude> smeggy: where you from
[08:40] <attitude> it is 2:40 here
[08:40] <smeggy> australia ;)
[08:40] <attitude> ahh that will do it
[08:40] <dkconstant> corpus christi, texas, here.
[08:41] <attitude> dkconstant: Got to love texas
[08:41] <attitude> GA here
[08:41] <dkconstant> attitude: you don't HAVE to, but if you don't at least PRETEND to, we'll make you leave.
[08:41] <attitude> lol
[08:42] <attitude> This distro is really taking off
[08:43] <attitude> Good to see
[08:44] <cfactor> is there an X.org package?
[08:44] <tiagobugarin> where i can add/remove what is loaded during the startup process?
[08:44] <crimsun> cfactor: there will be test ones in a few months
[08:44] <cfactor> thanks.
[08:48] <attitude> tiagobugarin: I think you use update-rc for that
[08:48] <attitude> not 100% sure
[08:48] <attitude> I am coming from the gentoo world so i am still learning
[08:49] <cfactor> update-rc.d is right.
[08:49] <attitude> cfactor: thanks for the correction
[08:51] <tiagobugarin> hummm but i need to know what exactly i have loading to be able to remove, where can i get this list? any one know?
[08:53] <cfactor> if you just want to remove, you can just check the rcX.d directory.
[08:54] <sikkh> cfactor messing (rm) there by hand is ok?
[08:55] <cfactor> as long as you don't remove anything from init.d, it should be okay.
[08:55] <sikkh> update-rc.d is not the most userfriendly tool...
[08:55] <cfactor> they're all just symlinks
[08:55] <sikkh> I know
[08:55] <cfactor> no, no it's not.
[08:55] <sikkh> I wanted just o use rm on some symlinks ;)
[08:56] <cfactor> update-rc.d will recreate the symlinks if you want to enable it.
[08:56] <sikkh> I want to have some daemons installed but not running constantly
[08:56] <sikkh> right, thx
[08:56] <cfactor> I'm personally a fan of chkconfig.
[08:56] <sikkh> yah, my desktop distro is mandrake so I know chkconfig, pretty usefull tool
[08:58] <attitude> never used that tool
[08:58] <attitude> can we install it on ubuntu or any debian based distro?
[08:58] <sikkh> I guess it should be portable enough
[08:58] <cfactor> unless the init scripts have the correct format, chkconfig won't work.
[08:59] <sikkh> it just reads some metadata from init.d scripts
[09:01] <tiagobugarin> it is trying some ACPI stuff before "Starting Ubuntu" appear... how can i remove this?
[09:01] <iainm> any ideas on when I can expect http://bugzilla.ximian.com/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=12442 (attached to http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67895) to show up in Ubuntu's evo package?
[09:01] <sikkh> tiagobugarin try "quiet" kernel option
[09:02] <tiagobugarin> modifying grub's menu.lst?3
[09:03] <paws> is there an ubuntu repository with mpd?
[09:03] <sikkh> tiagobugarin yup
[09:03] <sikkh> if you use grub for booting of course ;)
[09:04] <tiagobugarin> :) i do!
[09:04] <sikkh> me too! :)
[09:05] <tiagobugarin> btw, any one know where i can get some good splash for grub?
[09:05] <defendguin> heh
[09:05] <attitude> tiagobugarin: make on with gimp 
[09:06] <paws> has anyone installed mpd on ubuntu?
[09:06] <attitude> paws: what is mpd
[09:06] <crimsun> paws: mpd?
[09:06] <crimsun> as in mpi?
[09:06] <paws> music player daemon, its a really hot mp3 player
[09:06] <crimsun> n/m
[09:06] <crimsun> :-)
[09:06] <paws> its independent of X so you can leave it up between x sessions
[09:07] <tiagobugarin> sikkh: it is already 'quiet'ed :( any other idea?
[09:07] <paws> musicpd.org
[09:07] <cfactor> tiagobugarin: you want to disable acpi or just make it quiet?
[09:07] <attitude> paws: it is in debian so there is a deb for it. you might just have to add the correct source but I do not know what that is
[09:08] <tiagobugarin> cfactor: disable!
[09:08] <paws> is it OK to add a debian repository to sources.apt?
[09:08] <cfactor> tiagobugarin: I think it's acpi=off
[09:08] <tiagobugarin> cfactor: gotta try that now!
[09:09] <cfactor> check the bootprompt howto.  it should be in there.
[09:09] <iainm> paws, have you checked in universe?
[09:09] <blit> hmm, why was firefox downgraded to 0.9.3?? :|
[09:09] <cfactor> bob2 said there were some weird quirks.
[09:09] <crimsun> blit: pr is too unstable
[09:10] <sikkh> tiagobugarin imo best way would be just to remove apci messages, but you'd have to modify kernel source ;)
[09:10] <paws> iainm: yeah, its not there
[09:11] <cfactor> sikkh: acpi=off argument will effectively disable all acpi features.
[09:12] <cfactor> can't remember if apm takes over with the argument, though.
[09:12] <sikkh> cfactor yup but I prefer to have acpi on
[09:12] <tiagobugarin> cfactor: unfortunatly it do not gone away... still there....
[09:13] <sikkh> just grep for printk() in acpi code, and comment that out ;)
[09:13] <sikkh> sed should do it
[09:14] <tiagobugarin> i have to disable acpi because the cpu ubuntu is installed is a very old P1 133MHz with 64mb ram
[09:14] <tiagobugarin> sikkh: what????
[09:14] <sikkh> if it's old box apm will suffice
[09:14] <sikkh> :)
[09:15] <paws> iainm: is it OK to add the debian repository to sources.apt?
[09:15] <maswan> Kamion: damn, I'm sorry, how can I tag that bug unreproducable by the submitter?
[09:16] <cfactor> I don't have a browser installed yet, and I'm doing apt-get install xfree86 right now.  but check the bootprompt howto if you haven't.
[09:16] <iainm> paws, probably not. You're likely to find that many debian packages get installed in preference to ubuntu packages, so you'd have no idea what's going on.
[09:16] <sikkh> btw cfactor, are you by any chance ubuntu dev?
[09:17] <cfactor> no, I'm installing ubuntu for the first time tonight.
[09:17] <iainm> you probably want to grab the source packages for mpd from debian and rebuild them for ubuntu.
[09:18] <sikkh> I'm still pondering to switch mandrake to ubunto on my desktop, mainly becose I'm a big fan of debian
[09:18] <attitude> iainm: Is there a place I can read about how to do that
[09:18] <Treenaks> sikkh: it's called ubuntu
[09:19] <cfactor> sikkh: so you haven't tried out ubuntu yet?
[09:19] <iainm> attitude, sorry, I just learned a bit about that stuff through experimentation.
[09:20] <attitude> iainm: I do not even know how to get started experimenting
[09:20] <paws> iainm: sucks that its manual but what can you do...how do you get the debian package?
[09:20] <iainm> basically, you need to grab the original tarball, then get the debianification patch and the description file from a debian mirror, extract the original tarball, patch it with the debianification package, and use fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[09:20] <paws> attitude: i'm in the same boat, but i'm willing to mess around with it
[09:20] <iainm> there may be an easier way, I don't know.
[09:21] <iainm> you could also try just downloading the .deb from a debian mirror and installing it, I suppose.
[09:21] <iainm> I don't know how broken or otherwise that would be.
[09:21] <paws> how do you get only one .deb file from a mirror?
[09:22] <cfactor> apt-get has a --download-only option.
[09:22] <paws> cfactor: thanks
[09:22] <iainm> There are some links at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/mpd
[09:22] <iainm> or near the bottom.
[09:25] <tiagobugarin> pl, thanks for the help... now i am going to sleep a little
[09:25] <tiagobugarin> good time for you all folks!
[09:26] <|trey|> cfactor: that isn't what he wanted... --download-only still downloads all deps...
[09:26] <|trey|> cfactor: just doesn't install anything.
[09:26] <cfactor> oh, in that case, yeah, you'll have to crawl the web.  my apologies.
[09:26] <attitude> how do you isntall a deb from the command line
[09:27] <paws> probably a stupid question...but how do you get inside a .deb file?
[09:27] <cfactor> man dpkg
[09:27] <crimsun> "get inside?"
[09:27] <daniels> dpkg-deb
[09:27] <crimsun> ``dpkg-deb -c foo.deb|pager'' is what I use
[09:28] <sikkh> cfactor I need some good desktop sofftware and would like to avoid using debian unstable so ubuntu looks like a good choice ;)
[09:28] <sikkh> too bad they don't support fully KDE
[09:28] <sikkh> I'm all for debain on server though
[09:28] <paws> a .deb file has binaries and where to put them, etc. right?
[09:29] <sikkh> yup
[09:29] <crimsun> paws: that's correct, as you'll see from the output of dpkg-deb -c
[09:29] <sikkh> like .rpm but better :)
[09:29] <[Maze] > hello , I am trying to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 8000, I boot from cd image and the install freezes up
[09:29] <cfactor> sikkh: there's a deb source that ports all testing/unstable to stable.
[09:29] <[Maze] > i have tried using noapic, which did not help
[09:29] <|trey|> cfactor: backports.debian.net
[09:30] <|trey|> Actually, I think I'm thinking of Mentors there...
[09:30] <|trey|> backports.org is what I meant  :)
[09:31] <attitude> sikkh: looks like it will install with one dep that needs to be met but you can apt-get it. 
[09:31] <sikkh> cfactor backports.org
[09:31] <attitude> I can not test how it works since I am at work and do not have a debian or ubuntu box here
[09:31] <sikkh> attitude yah I plan just to use apt, no reinstallation
[09:31] <cfactor> sikkh: I'm trying out ubuntu for the security updates.
[09:32] <sikkh> yah that's why I'm "locked" with debian stable on server ;)
[09:33] <attitude> well guys I am out of here
[09:33] <attitude> talk to you later
[09:55] <Kamion> maswan: hm, which one?
[09:56] <Treenaks> is the http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule still accurate?
[09:57] <daniels> Treenaks: i believe so, yes
[09:57] <Treenaks> daniels: cool
[09:59] <paws> yay, it took some finagling but i got mpd installed with the .deb package
[10:00] <paws> it even shows up in synaptic for some reason
[10:00] <sabdfl> hi guys, is there an ms-access equivalent in openoffice? or a link to postgres from openoffice?
[10:01] <Treenaks> paws: finagling? like Finagle's law?
[10:02] <|trey|> sabdfl: there are tools to work with ms access files... not sure if OpenOffice can work with them though... would be Calc or Math if it does...
[10:02] <paws> treenaks: haha yes, its a very manual setup but its working now
[10:03] <eniac> sabdfl: equivalent no, use postgres with oo yes
[10:03] <paws> just have to get a client for mpd now
[10:03] <sabdfl> eniac: what's the name of the connector to access postgres from oo?
[10:03] <eniac> sabdfl: don't know, I don't work that way 
[10:04] <maswan> Kamion: keyboard layout selection. I just updated the bug. Oh, well. What module do you want installer kernel bug in?
[10:04] <sabdfl> k thx
[10:04] <eniac> sabdfl: google
[10:04] <eniac> ;-)-
[10:04] <|trey|> http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ is the tools I refer to.
[10:04] <Kamion> maswan: debian-installer by default, more specific if you know
[10:05] <|trey|> sabdfl: ^
[10:05] <maswan> Kamion: mptfusion scsi write errors on amd64, failing to write stuff to disk
[10:05] <Kamion> maswan: sounds more like the real kernel to me, so 'linux'
[10:06] <maswan> Kamion: ACK
[10:06] <|trey|> Kamion: seems you would be best to ask this... if normal debian kernels work for me, I can get rid of linux-restricted-modules without risk correct?
[10:10] <Kamion> |trey|: should imagine so, yeah
[10:10] <|trey|> Kamion: cool, thanks  :)
[10:11] <plovs_work> are other people having problems with the wiki as well? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/ looks funny
[10:13] <tvon> missing css file...warthogs.css seems to be unavailable
[10:13] <iainm> the stylesheet's gone awol, I imagine.
[10:16] <llpamies> Where can I find a mono repos for ubuntu.  I tryied tseng, but It have dependecies broken, like binfmt-support package.
[10:16] <llpamies> ??
[10:17] <iainm> llpamies, you need to enable universe as well.
[10:17] <plovs_work> tvon, iainm, works on IE, though...
[10:17] <plovs_work> how to use evolution as data-source in ooo?
[10:18] <llpamies> iainm, thanks
[10:18] <Kamion> I keep thinking we should pull binfmt-support into warty
[10:18] <Kamion> but I'm hopelessly biased :)
[10:18] <plovs_work> Kamion, most people probably use universe anyway
[10:18] <Kamion> plovs_work: that's not an argument for what we should or should not pull into warty :)
[10:19] <Kamion> plovs_work: universe remains unsupported
[10:19] <plovs_work> Kamion, we will complain anyway if it doesn't work :) ,but the more packages in warty the happier we are
[10:20] <mteira> Hello.
[10:21] <mteira> I see that gstreamer has been updated. Is totem-gstreamer usable, now?
[10:21] <mteira> or should I stay with totem-xine.
[10:22] <plovs_work> anybody using ooo and evolution?
[10:22] <tvon> plovs_work: you probably have an old cache of the CSS around (for it to work in IE)...thats my theory anyways
[10:23] <plovs_work> tvon, you might be right, the proxy probably caches it
[10:31] <mteira> I have a lot of problems with usb devices.
[10:31] <mteira> Just now, I'm not able to do:
[10:31] <mteira> cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[10:31] <mteira> It locks.
[10:31] <mteira> Any idea?
[10:31] <daniels> mteira: what do you have plugged in?
[10:31] <mteira> daniels: Only an scanner.
[10:31] <mteira> daniels: But yesterday I also had a usb laser printer.
[10:32] <daniels> does it work if you unplug the scanner?
[10:32] <mteira> daniels: Let's try
[10:32] <daniels> you may well have to reboot
[10:32] <mteira> No
[10:32] <mteira> It locks.
[10:32] <mteira> daniels: OK.
[10:32] <mteira> daniels: I'll try after the update.
[10:32] <mteira> daniels: I have problems also with dhal and friends.
[10:33] <mteira> daniels: Device manager says it's not able to get the device list.
[10:33] <daniels> you might need to reboot
[10:33] <daniels> yeah
[10:33] <mteira> daniels: But dhal is started.
[10:33] <Treenaks> mteira: it's probably also blocking on something..
[10:33] <mteira> OK. I'll reboot in a while and then try again.
[10:34] <mteira> It's 2 minutes to finish. I see there's a new dhal version.
[10:34] <daniels> I think it's a kernel issue; I was seeing it with 2.6.7.
[10:34] <mteira> It's strange. With my other computer I have not a problem of this kind.
[10:35] <mteira> It's a laptop Pentium III based, but with this one, k7 based, a lot of problems.
[10:35] <mteira> At least, I got my nvidia to work.
[10:35] <daniels> have you got linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686 installed, or -k7?
[10:35] <mteira> daniels: -k7
[10:35] <mteira> daniels: Well, I  have both ones, but I'm using -k7.
[10:36] <mteira> A question, is posible using samba to share a printer?
[10:36] <mteira> I have some windows rebels on my lan.
[10:37] <mteira> And the only printer is plugged to this computer. So, it would be great to share it in some way
[10:38] <TML> Are you guys interested in screenshots of the installer that don't display correctly?
[10:39] <rburton> fabbione: my super broke in the latest X upgrade! :(
[10:39] <rburton> (key, that is)
[10:39] <Treenaks> rburton: emacs-user! :)
[10:40] <rburton> Treenaks: well, yes, but i use it in gnome. emacs uses meta
[10:40] <Kamion> TML: sure
[10:42] <seb128> rburton: you should use alt instead of meta, meta keeps broking apparently :)
[10:42] <rburton> bah
[10:42] <mteira> Restarted.
[10:43] <mteira> After reboot, I'm able to cat /proc/ubs/usb/devices 
[10:43] <Treenaks> mteira: even when you plug in stuff?
[10:43] <mteira> I have two devices.
[10:43] <mteira> The usb bus itself and a USB Hub.
[10:44] <TML> Kamion: The strange thing is that the latest debian installer beta works just fine on the same hardware, and so did much older versions of d-i
[10:44] <mteira> I thought that this USB Hub was transparent.
[10:44] <mteira> Treenaks: Now, I'm going to switch on the scanner.
[10:44] <Treenaks> mteira: hubs are never transparent
[10:44] <mteira> The scanner is plugged through the hub.
[10:44] <Kamion> TML: let's see the screenshot and then it may be possible to see what's wrong
[10:45] <mteira> Now, I have three devices.
[10:45] <TML> Kamion: I'm uploading them right now. My camera isn't so speedy at that.
[10:45] <mteira> And in syslog it says
[10:46] <mteira> usb.agent[4060] : libusbscanner: loaded succesfully
[10:46] <mteira> I also can see the scanner in the device manager.
[10:46] <mteira> But now, when I start xsane, it uses my tv card as scanning device. Isn't it weird?
[10:47] <mteira> How can I use my scanner?
[10:47] <mteira> Humm, I see that I'm not on the scanner group
[10:47] <mteira> And the /proc/bus/usb/003 is root:scanner
[10:48] <mteira> I'm going to add my user to the scanner group, but, shouldn't it be that way?
[10:49] <mteira> Now, I'm able to choose the device.
[10:49] <rburton> mteira: probably should file a bug
[10:49] <mteira> rburton: OK.
[10:50] <mteira> usb 1-1.4: bulk timeout on ep2in
[10:50] <mteira> And the scanner stopped working suddenly
[10:50] <tvon|x31> scp -r lafcadio:Desktop/Development/pk-20041008-instance ~/Desktop/Development/
[10:51] <tvon|x31> er
[10:52] <mteira> xsane have blocked hard.
[10:52] <mteira> I'm not able to kill it.
[10:52] <mteira> Well, let's start again.
[10:52] <TML> Kamion: ubuntu.joeysmith.com
[10:52] <liran> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee can`t wait untill tommorow
[10:52] <liran> !
[10:52] <liran> Ubuntu goes FINAL !
[10:53] <Kamion> liran: final's 20th
[10:53] <Kamion> liran: tomorrow is release candidate
[10:53] <liran> 20/11 ?
[10:53] <Kamion> 20041020
[10:53] <mteira> And now, /proc/bus/usb/devices locks alos
[10:53] <mteira> And now, /proc/bus/usb/devices locks also
[10:53] <liran> damn
[10:53] <liran> :(
[10:53] <Kamion> TML: what language?
[10:53] <mteira> And device manager don't work
[10:54] <TML> Kamion: English
[10:54] <mteira> Perhaps I need to tune xsane configuration for this scanner.
[10:54] <Kamion> looks like you're not getting a framebuffer console
[10:54] <TML> Kamion: Tried disabling the framebuffer, same error
[10:54] <TML> oh. Heh. :)
[10:54] <Kamion> no, it looks like you want the framebuffer *on*, not off. :)
[10:54] <Kamion> TML: what does /proc/fb look like?
[10:54] <TML> Right. I typed that before/as I read.
[10:55] <TML> 0 VGA16 VGA
[10:55] <Kamion> that *should* be OK ...
[10:55] <Kamion> is the fbcon module loaded?
[10:55] <TML> Yes
[10:56] <Kamion> how strange - I'd need to see /var/log/debian-installer/* after the installation's complete, I guess
[10:57] <TML> ok...I have to figure out if the installer is segfaulting because of faulty h/w, or something else.
[10:57] <TML> Then I'll upload the logs.
[10:57] <iainm> does anybody want me to do some poking around for https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2203 ?
[10:57] <iainm> it made installing really annoying :)
[10:59] <liran> Kamion i want an app like kazaa so i can download mp3 and fast,there is something for ubuntu ?
[10:59] <Kamion> liran: I'm not a desktop guy, sorry
[11:00] <liran> and another thing,i cant see movies,when i start them with totem i can see only black screen
[11:00] <mteira> Now, I tried to boot with the scanner switched on , and it hanged.
[11:00] <mteira> on the usb.rc phase.
[11:00] <Kamion> liran: try totem-xine, there are instructions on the wiki
[11:01] <mteira> I pressed ctrl-c and the boot sequence continued, but now, I'm on the same problems (locks on /proc/bus/usb/devices and no Device Manager)
[11:01] <mteira> Anybody has some idea?
[11:02] <mteira> Perhaps the hub is causing the trouble. 
[11:02] <DXT> what does OSUOSL mean?
[11:03] <DXT> im reading this java wiki..
[11:03] <maswan> Oregon State University Open Source Laboratory
[11:04] <DXT> i see..
[11:10] <DXT> i cant get java to run: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian step 15 - bash: java: command not found
[11:11] <liran> Kamion ?
[11:11] <liran> where in the wiki |?
[11:13] <DXT> ure asking me?
[11:13] <llpamies> I'm using tseng repository for mono, and I have installed the pakcages mono and monodevelop.  But when I run monodevelop, it give me: WARNING **: Could not find assembly System, ...
[11:13] <Treenaks> liran: RestrictedFormats
[11:14] <Kamion> liran: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:15] <llpamies> I've installed  mono-assemblies-base and arch
[11:18] <sivang> is there a way I can synchronize my Ubuntu watch to show UTC instead of my local time?
[11:18] <TML> "18. To totally reset the environment variables, you need to reboot"
[11:18] <Kamion> where's that?
[11:18] <TML> On DXT's link
[11:19] <TML> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[11:19] <mteira> Is possible to use Ubuntu to share a printer using samba?
[11:19] <TML> mteira: Sure
[11:19] <mteira> TML: The hard way or the easy way? Is there any graphical app?
[11:20] <willie> mteira: I cant get ubuntu to boot if I haqve _any_ usb devices attached - hangs at the hotplug section -- is this similar to  your prob?
[11:20] <Kamion> TML: it's a wiki; somebody should probably edit it to say that you need to log out and back in, at most (and probably just to start a new shell)
[11:20] <mteira> willie: Yes.
[11:20] <mteira> willie: But, after disconnecting a hub I was using, every device seems to work.
[11:20] <TML> Kamion: Yeah. I just found it strange advice.
[11:20] <willie> but it would continue to boot if you ctrl-C at the point?
[11:21] <mteira> willie: Yes.
[11:21] <mteira> willie: But the usb stuff doesn't work.
[11:21] <liran> Treenaks and Kamion it worked
[11:21] <liran> thanks
[11:22] <willie> I could live with that to get started but my network cartd wont worrk either - on board via-rhine
[11:22] <mteira> willie: With the hub switched on, I was not able to print.
[11:22] <Treenaks> willie: via-rhine drive works fine for me
[11:22] <Treenaks> willie: driver
[11:22] <willie> all the correct modules seem loaded
[11:22] <mteira> willie: But the printer was not plugged via the hub.
[11:22] <Treenaks> willie: maybe you're having interrupt problems? (try booting with pci=noacpi)
[11:23] <willie> thanks Treenaks - I'll give that a try
[11:23] <willie> this SuSE9.1 works OK with all the same hardware though
[11:24] <Treenaks> willie: different kernel version
[11:24] <willie> still --- worth a shot --- back later :-)
[11:24] <willie> Treenaks: yes thats a good point
[11:24] <willie> ttfn
[11:25] <mteira> Perhaps this is not the place for this question, but...
[11:25] <DXT> ok i'll reboot
[11:25] <mteira> is there any way to share an scanner?
[11:25] <mteira> In a lan network, I mean.
[11:26] <Treenaks> mteira: yes, sane is supposed to be able to do that
[11:26] <mteira> Treenaks: Interesting.
[11:26] <mteira> Treenaks: I'll look for more information on sane's site
[11:26] <mteira> Treenaks: Thanks.
[11:35] <liran> i have stupid question...
[11:35] <liran> I want to install windows on my linux
[11:35] <liran> can i do that?
[11:35] <liran> i need windows for fifa 2005 :)
[11:36] <liran> any one?
[11:37] <liran> i really need it
[11:38] <TML> liran: Windows and Linux are both operating systems.
[11:39] <liran> i know
[11:39] <liran> so i cant?
[11:40] <mariochi> please is posible see the original menu debian in ubuntu??? sorry my english is not goo
[11:41] <inklingx> liran: take a look at http://www.transgaming.com/
[11:41] <Kamion> you can't install one operating system on another
[11:41] <Kamion> it is possible to emulate Windows under Linux, to some limited degree
[11:41] <Kamion> or to run a complete PC emulator, although that may be too slow for gaming
[11:42] <liran> inklingx
[11:42] <Lathiat> mariochi: could you try and explain what you needed more clearly?
[11:42] <liran> i have wine,cedega and crossover office
[11:42] <liran> im not sure it will work over there
[11:42] <Kamion> liran: you may find it easier just to dual-boot between Windows and Linux
[11:42] <liran> thats what i want to do
[11:42] <liran> i just don`t know how
[11:43] <mariochi> i need the icons for example amsn, koepte in the menu ubuntu but no see the icons in the menu ubuntu. in other distribution is posible see the menu original debian
[11:43] <Kamion> install both in separate partitions on the disk; if you install Ubuntu second, it'll detect Windows and automatically set up the bootloader for you
[11:44] <liran> Kamion im sorry to say this,but i really dont know how,can u guide me?
[11:46] <Kamion> I'm afraid I'm very busy with our upcoming release right now, but there is plenty of documentation on dual-booting on the web that you should be able to find with Google
[11:56] <monto> hi everybosy
[11:56] <monto> i'm installing ubuntu linux, upgrading from a debian
[11:56] <monto> can anyone paste me in pvt his source.list please?
[11:57] <Randomize> Does anyone know whether or not the gst-inspect / gst-register commands are in the core packages for gstreamer?
[11:57] <mariochi> any people speak spanish, is my english is not good
[11:57] <TML> monto: /topic
[11:57] <monto> thanks, sorry
[11:59] <Randomize> Nevermind, found 'em.  Syntax, as usual, is > me.
[12:00] <sivang> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[12:00] <sivang> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:00] <sivang> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:00] <sivang> ooooops
[12:00] <sivang> sorry!
[12:00] <sivang> this was meant to go private to monto
[12:01] <sivang> only the first line went up
[12:01] <sivang> my aplogize everyone.
[12:15] <ik5pvx> a colleague is asking for an easy (read.. for dummies) editor for html... any ideas ?
[12:17] <TML> ik5pvx: quanta?
[12:18] <TML> Bluefish, maybe?
[12:18] <smeggy> Or Screem?
[12:19] <ik5pvx> uhm, trying bluefish to see how it looks like... quanta requires kde and I don't want to find myself helping him with kde too ;)
[12:19] <Randomize> Does anyone know if I can associate libfaad with gstreamer for m4a/aac playback?  Or do I need to dig out and compile faad from the gst-plugins source?
[12:20] <Randomize> I mean, versus just using a canned binary from outside of ubuntu.
[12:22] <ik5pvx> bluefish seems suitable for this gui
[12:22] <ik5pvx> guy
[12:22] <ik5pvx> thanks
[12:27] <Kamion> smeggy: please don't do that
[12:27] <smeggy> sorry
[12:28] <smeggy> my bouncer went psycho
[12:28] <smeggy> accident :/
[12:28] <Kamion> best to turn off everything that might send automatic messages to channels even if things go wrong, though
[12:28] <smeggy> Yeah. Sorry :)
[12:40] <malte`> hi
[12:54] <mteira> Great, I've got saned working and now I can scan from all my network machines.
[12:58] <plovs_work> how do I make an ubuntu package from a debian-unstable package?
[12:58] <tck> alien
[12:58] <iainm> tck, are you sure about that answer?
[12:58] <tck> no
[12:58] <Randomize> What's wrong with this syntax? 'PATH="$PATH:/usr/bin"'
[12:59] <plovs_work> alien is rpm-deb etc, i mean rebuild from dsc or something
[12:59] <mteira> Randomize: The single quotes?
[12:59] <iainm> Randomize, do you need to export it?
[12:59] <Randomize> Those were for the benefit of IRC, not in the .bashrc
[12:59] <Randomize> Iainm, there's an export PATH line after that, yes.
[01:00] <mteira> Randomize: Nothing wrong, then
[01:00] <TML> plovs_work: I can't think of any reason you couldn't just dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:00] <Randomize> My ./configures keep saying I don't have a valid compiler despite that being in my bashrc.
[01:00] <Zindar> plovs_work: put debian unstable deb-src in your sources.list file
[01:00] <TML> plovs_work: Of course, you'll have to satisfy all the deps
[01:00] <Zindar> plovs_work, then go "apt-get source blaha"
[01:00] <plovs_work> Randomize, export PATH="/home/plovs/bin:$PATH"
[01:00] <Zindar> plovs_work, then cd blaha; fakeroot debian/rules binary
[01:00] <mteira> Randomize: Take a look at your config.log
[01:00] <mteira> Randomize: You will see the exact error, perhaps it's configure.log, not sure.
[01:01] <plovs_work> Zindar, ok
[01:01] <TML> Zindar: "apt-get -b source blah" is nice, too.
[01:01] <Zindar> TML: ahh.. forgott about that one
[01:01] <Kamion> Randomize: /usr/bin will be in $PATH by default anyway
[01:01] <Zindar> yeah.. try that
[01:02] <Kamion> Randomize: it's more likely you simply don't have a compiler installed
[01:02] <Randomize> gcc-3.4 is installed.
[01:02] <Randomize> Hence my confusion. :)
[01:02] <Kamion> libc6-dev too?
[01:02] <Randomize> Yes.
[01:02] <TML> Randomize: You need to check config.log to see what, specifically, it says is broken about your compiler
[01:02] <Zindar> "apt-get install build-dep package" ?
[01:03] <Randomize> TML:  It can't FIND the compiler. :)
[01:03] <iainm> Randomize, do you have a gcc binary in your path, or only gcc-3.4
[01:03] <TML> Randomize: Are you sure?
[01:03] <Kamion> I'd go for gcc, not gcc-3.4
[01:03] <plovs_work> Randomize, did you install build-essential?
[01:03] <iainm> or has somebody else already asked that?
[01:03] <TML> Randomize: Sometimes, configure is mistaken.
[01:03] <Kamion> that being the package that provides the gcc symlink
[01:04] <Kamion> if you really MUST have gcc-3.4 for some reason (unlikely), then CC=gcc-3.4
[01:04] <Randomize> Kamion, thank you.  build-essential is not installed.
[01:04] <Randomize> Well, I'm just trying to work out from what ubuntu appears to give me by default, wasn't fixated on 3.4.
[01:05] <Kamion> Ubuntu is compiled with gcc-3.3, but of course we don't install a compiler by default at all
[01:05] <Kamion> Warty is, anyway.
[01:05] <TML> I always found that odd...no compiler by default.
[01:05] <Randomize> This is a mix of user-ignorance (on my part) and lack of sleep, bear with me. :)
[01:06] <Kamion> TML: was extensively flam^Wdiscussed before the preview release :-)
[01:06] <TML> Kamion: I imagine so.
[01:07] <Randomize> The sad thing is I was getting further than this yesterday on a prior install, but I'm so whack-brained from all the changes I've done that it's hard to recall what I might have done differently last time.
[01:19] <plovs_work> Kamion, for what it's worth i think it is a good default, if you want it it is an apt-get away
[01:19] <Kamion> it happens that I was on the other side of the argument, but I can live with it
[01:20] <plovs_work> Kamion, :)
[01:21] <Randomize> Hey, at least it keeps the noobs like me in the sandbox a little while longer. :)
[01:21] <plovs_work> Kamion, it will be in warty?
[01:21] <plovs_work> Randomize, you'll be out of it before you know it :)
[01:22] <Randomize> Oh, trust me, I am.  See those houses on fire over there?  Please don't tell them it was me.  All I did was click the "OK" button, I swear. :)
[01:22] <plovs_work> Randomize, the power of linux...
[01:22] <Randomize> Drat, I thought this was GEOS.
[01:23] <mteira> I'm starting to get mad with this printer.
[01:23] <plovs_work> Randomize, you remember GEOS?
[01:23] <mteira> Have you configured a ubuntu to print on a smb printer, that's served by another ubuntu?
[01:24] <mteira> I was able to print from a windows client.
[01:24] <Randomize> I had the ... "pleasure" ... of dealing with it while working as a contractor at AOL, of all places. :)
[01:24] <mteira> But I'm not able to make it with a Ubuntu client.
[01:24] <Kamion> plovs_work: "it"?
[01:26] <plovs_work> Kamion, gcc and friends in the default "it", i meant, man, don't you do telepathy *at all*? 
[01:28] <Kamion> plovs_work: not by default
[01:30] <Randomize> OK, (hopefully) my last question for the time being.  I've just run a ./configure on my gst-plugins source, and I have a truckload of of plugins under the "*** Plug-ins that will not be built" category.  Is it possible to cherry-pick one of those and compile JUST the one?
[01:30] <Kamion> if ./configure --help offers an option for it ...
[01:32] <mteira> Are the printers used by the gnome-cups-manager the same ones in /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[01:33] <Randomize> Yah, that's the part that I'm trying to wrap my head around.  There's an optional --disable-faad paramter, which would suggest to me that it should be getting compiled by default, since they provided an opposing switch.
[01:34] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok thanks
[01:35] <Kamion> Randomize: you may need to install some optional -dev packages (libfaad-dev? something like that)
[01:35] <Randomize> Hold on, I may just be misinterpreting some feedback from the ./configure. :)
[01:51] <tiagobugarin> hello world!
[01:52] <mteira> Well, after sniffing the SMB dialog.
[01:52] <mteira> I've seen that the user and password I've set in the printer configuration is not being used.
[01:52] <mteira> cups is requesting a session for an anonymous user.
[01:53] <mteira> It seems that the printers.conf file is not read properly
[02:13] <lupus_> ist the apt-get in ubuntu a vanilla one?
[02:13] <lupus_> or a patched one?
[02:13] <Kamion> lupus_: vanilla
[02:13] <lupus_> k
[02:16] <willie> mteira: guess what - just rebooted into SuSE after giving up in frustration with ubuntu on a couple of the probs you are seeing -- usb not working -- despite trying pci=noacpi    and frustration at printing/cups
[02:17] <willie> It seems once I get gnome to run iit wont let me do anything that runs as root
[02:17] <lupus_> Kamion, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2281 don't you think this is a bug?
[02:17] <Treenaks> willie: it will, it just asks for YOUR password (using sudo) not the ROOT password
[02:17] <willie> cant get a root terminal -- though a std shell then su + pwd is OK
[02:17] <lupus_> I think it was handled correctly in the past
[02:18] <Treenaks> willie: and it's better to solve bugs than to whine about them.. so where are the bug reports about your not being able to use USB?
[02:18] <willie> Treenaks: bit of a noob -- Im trying to get morew background so I can submit a coherent bug report
[02:19] <Treenaks> willie: dmesg output (or /var/log/kern.log) would help I think
[02:19] <tseng> willie: if you read the faq you'd know about root
[02:19] <willie> certainly --if I could print it or send it :-(
[02:19] <Treenaks> willie: you can copy /var/log/kern.log to another location and edit out the irrelevant parts
[02:20] <willie> the cups prob is not ubuntus fault -- I'll admiot that
[02:20] <Treenaks> willie: you can do dmesg > somegile so you have a file with the output from dmesg -- which you can submit to bugzilla
[02:20] <Treenaks> somefile even
[02:21] <willie> good point   OK time for a coffee and a reboot  -- thanks for the pointers guys
[02:21] <Bliksem> hi guys
[02:21] <Bliksem> any pointers on getting 5.1 sound going with my audigy2?
[02:22] <Treenaks> Bliksem: digital or analog?
[02:22] <Bliksem> analog
[02:22] <Treenaks> Bliksem: look in the mixer
[02:22] <Treenaks> Bliksem: (you have the mixer thingy on your panel? right-click-> open volume control)
[02:23] <Treenaks> Bliksem: then select Center and LFE channels
[02:23] <Bliksem> yeah, looked in there before, having another look now
[02:23] <Treenaks> Bliksem: and increase their volume, and remove the 'mute' flag.
[02:23] <Treenaks> Bliksem: then run a program that outputs 5.1 sound..
[02:26] <Bliksem> cheers, done that...
[02:26] <Bliksem> xmms supports 5.2 output?
[02:27] <Treenaks> not that I know..
[02:27] <Bliksem> *5.1
[02:27] <Treenaks> I think only DVD apps etc. support it...
[02:27] <Treenaks> so have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:31] <Bliksem> thanks Treenaks
[02:31] <Bliksem> changed the output river in xmms
[02:31] <Bliksem> *driver
[02:31] <Bliksem> and now have 5.1
[02:32] <siretart> Bliksem: what output driver do you use for 5.1?
[02:32] <Bliksem> Im now using ALSA
[02:33] <jacob> Anyone know if theres a gstreamer plugin for handling the "msmpeg" video format ?
[02:33] <Bliksem> went to configure, chose my audigy in the hardware list, and chose master for mixer device
[02:33] <jlg> hello to ell from z new comer
[02:34] <jlg> sorry hello to all from a newcomer
[02:37] <Bliksem> how easy is it to configure an entire linux network?
[02:37] <pdamoc> hello
[02:37] <Bliksem> i mean install software over the entire network at once?
[02:38] <pdamoc> is there a way to install wxpython automaticaly?
[02:38] <pdamoc> are there unofficial repositories?
[02:39] <lupus_> universe?
[02:40] <alakdan> pdamoc, if you have root access to all of them I would guess its just a script away (to install configure an entire linux network)
[02:41] <alakdan> pdamoc,  deb http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[02:41] <alakdan> for /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <alakdan> and I guess it would be pretty easy for you to do it on python ;) 
[02:45] <jlg> single and stupid question from a newby 
[02:45] <jlg> Ubuntu installed but no icon or link on the desktop screen
[02:45] <jlg> 1) how to add link on gnome for appears links to home, hard drives, carbage etc...
[02:45] <jlg> 2) add new list in menus (despite new installs nothing in the gnome menu???)
[02:45] <jlg> sorry thank you
[02:45] <tseng> jlg: garbage is on the panel, the others are in Computer menu
[02:46] <tseng> if you feel like you really need ugly icons on your desktop you can use gconf-editor to enable options in apps/nautilus/desktop
[02:47] <jlg> tseng : thk U I know but how to make it appears on the desktop
[02:47] <tseng> i just told you
[02:48] <jlg> ok tseng: u are too fast really
[02:50] <malte`> hi
[02:50] <pdamoc> jlg: drag and drop from nautilus holding Ctrl+Shift to create links on the desktop
[02:54] <llpamies> I've problems with mono !  (I use the tseng repository)
[02:54] <llpamies> anybosy use it ?
[02:54] <jlg> my desktop refuse all links ? even with ctrl or straight (?( I do not understand) even on menu list new install add no link in the panel. fresh install from yesterday is it a bug ? 
[02:54] <llpamies> anyody use it ?
[02:55] <iainm> llpamies, have you enabled the universe repository?
[02:55] <iainm> tseng's repo depends on some stuff from it.
[02:55] <llpamies> iainm: yes, the problem is that:
[02:56] <llpamies> I have two systems identically
[02:56] <llpamies> one in a laptop and other in my desktop
[02:56] <llpamies> but in my desktop when i use any mono program : Could not find assembly System,
[02:56] <llpamies> and in my laptop it works fine
[02:56] <Peltoilves> '''lk
[02:57] <iainm> well, obviously you don't have two systems identically :)
[02:57] <llpamies> in /usr/lib/mono my desktop have 1.0 and gac,  and my laptop 1.0 2.0 gac .... and more   (the mono packages are the same verisons in all systems)
[02:57] <iainm> both of these are installed by apt with the *current* stuff from tseng's repo?
[02:58] <jacob> Nice, the new GStreamer packages have fixed ESound usage!
[02:58] <llpamies> iainm, yes all installed from the same repos and with apt-get
[02:58] <iainm> and is everything current on both systems?
[02:58] <llpamies> I dist-upgraded both 2 hours ago
[02:59] <llpamies> and have the same sources.list XD
[02:59] <lupus_> I find it anoying that it depends on mozilla
[02:59] <lupus_> can't it depend on firefox?
[02:59] <lupus_> the mono packages
[02:59] <llpamies> lupus_:  no
[02:59] <llpamies> because firbird don't conatins the develop tools
[02:59] <lupus_> ic
[03:00] <lupus_> and there is no mozilla-dev :)
[03:00] <llpamies> for use Gecko#
[03:00] <iainm> llpamies, does dpkg -s mono-assemblies-base give you the same version number on both systems?
[03:00] <lupus_> so mozilla itself is not used
[03:01] <llpamies> iainm:  yes are the same version 1.0.1-1
[03:01] <Bliksem> any one know any alternatives to FAI ?
[03:02] <lupus_> llpamies, you are maintainer of the mono packages?
[03:02] <llpamies> lupus_ no !  I'm a simple user
[03:02] <lupus_> k :p
[03:03] <iainm> run this command: dpkg-deb -c /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.1-1_all.deb  | cut -d . -f 2- | cut -d " " -f 1
[03:03] <lupus_> I'm learning to make deb packages :)
[03:03] <iainm> that gives you a list of the files installed by the archived mono-assemblies-base package on the machine.
[03:04] <iainm> llpamies: on the desktop, does it list files in both /usr/share/dotnet/mono/2.0/ and /usr/share/dotnet/mono/1.0/?
[03:04] <lupus_> http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu%204.10 I'm making a guide with some stuff 
[03:05] <llpamies> iainm: the files are diferent
[03:05] <llpamies> in my laptop (where mono runs fine) I have a lot of symlinks
[03:05] <llpamies> and in my desktop doesn't
[03:06] <iainm> I suspect you can work out how to resolve that problem yourself. Is that correct?
[03:06] <llpamies> sample: 
[03:06] <llpamies>   dektop /usr/lib/mono
[03:06] <llpamies>   laptop /usr/lib/mono -> ../share/dotnet/mono 
[03:07] <iainm> that package should be creating that symlink. If it hasn't, try reinstalling it.
[03:11] <pdamoc> Is there a guide to how can someone create ubuntu packages?
[03:12] <llpamies> iainm: I solved this.
[03:12] <llpamies> I remove /usr/lib/mono
[03:12] <llpamies> and create a link  /usr/lib/mono -> ../share/dotnet/mono
[03:13] <llpamies> and works
[03:13] <llpamies> thanks for all
[03:13] <lupus_> pdamoc, see debian packages
[03:17] <pdamoc> lupus_: what I need are some guidlines... something specific to ubuntu maybe...
[03:17] <lupus_> ic
[03:18] <bob2> pdamoc: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[03:18] <bob2> and read policy
[03:28] <tiagobugarin> any one knows where the results of a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' go?
[03:28] <malte`> how can i share a directory with samba? i installed the samba package... and??
[03:28] <bob2> it writes /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:29] <tiagobugarin> unfortunatly it did not to me. (i runned with sudo prefix
[03:29] <Treenaks> tiagobugarin: then you edited it by hand first?
[03:29] <bob2> have you modified that foile by hand before?
[03:29] <tiagobugarin> Treenaks: yes
[03:30] <bob2> then read the comments in that file
[03:30] <tiagobugarin> should i rename the file?
[03:30] <tiagobugarin> and repeat the dpkg... ?
[03:31] <bob2> no
[03:31] <bob2> 23:30 < bob2> then read the comments in that file
[03:31] <Kamion> the comments at the top explain in precise detail what to do
[03:33] <tiagobugarin> i'll read it...
[03:44] <muelling> Hello there!
[03:46] <muelling> I have one small question. What is the ubuntu-base package? Do i really need it?
[03:47] <saw27> Is the source tree inside linux-source-2.6.8.1 slightly different to that used to build linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386? (If I take the .config from the latter, put it in the source tree insider the former, and run 'make menuconfig' without changing any options, a few .config entries appear/disappear)
[03:48] <saw27> muelling: yes, almost certainly. It contains basic utilities which the system scripts will need even if you don't directly use them.
[03:49] <muelling> Ok. My Problem is, tah when i want to remove ALSA (becaus i just dont have any SOundcard) it will also remove the ubuntu-base. How can i change this?
[03:49] <muelling> Ahh.. damn keyboard.. :-)
[03:51] <Treenaks> muelling: don't remove alsa
[03:52] <Treenaks> muelling: it's not hurting you, is it?
[03:53] <muelling> I just want to build a System where only is installed that is really needed. Im a littlle perfectionist you know :-)
[03:53] <Kamion> ubuntu-base is just a metapackage; you can remove it safely
[03:54] <Treenaks> Kamion: but it might break upgrades -- right?
[03:54] <Kamion> depends what you mean by "break"
[03:54] <Kamion> you might not get new base packages installed, come hoary
[03:54] <Kamion> but you can probably deal with that
[03:54] <housetier> muelling, for a minimalistic linux try this: http://b00t.webstep.net/
[03:54] <Kamion> I would imagine that we'll be release-noting that sort of addition anyway
[03:55] <JavaUser> hi everyone
[03:55] <JavaUser> im a winxp user and after reading some info on ubuntu i decided to give it a try
[03:56] <Treenaks> JavaUser: and?
[03:56] <JavaUser> i installed it on my slave hd, i chose the complete wipe option
[03:56] <muelling> b00tlinux is interesting but not what i need. Ubuntu really is doing the job and i just want to remove some s
[03:56] <JavaUser> and the grub on my primary disk with winxp
[03:56] <JavaUser> but the grub loader gives me an error
[03:56] <muelling> packages i dont need. I think ill just test what happens. :-)
[03:56] <JavaUser> winxp doesnt start
[03:57] <Treenaks> JavaUser: what is the error message?
[03:57] <JavaUser> and ubuntu doesnt finish his install
[03:57] <JavaUser> error 21
[03:57] <JavaUser> im on a knoppix cd now trying to find a solution 
[03:58] <Treenaks> JavaUser: is your second disk detected by the BIOS correctly?
[03:58] <JavaUser> does anyone have any ideas?
[03:58] <JavaUser> yes
[03:58] <Treenaks> JavaUser: do you have your linux disk mounted ?
[03:58] <Treenaks> (ubuntu disk)
[03:59] <JavaUser> im totally new to linux so youll have to explain what mounting is, sorry
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it's making a disk available to the system, so you can see what's on it
[03:59] <JavaUser> as i said, my main os is winxp on my master disk
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: if you open a terminal window and type "mount" yuo can see it
[03:59] <JavaUser> i wiped my slave during ubuntu install
[03:59] <Treenaks> JavaUser: that's OK
[03:59] <JavaUser> the ubuntu install cant finish
[04:00] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it gets to the "Reboot" stage right?
[04:00] <Treenaks> JavaUser: it'll finish once we fix grub
[04:00] <JavaUser> yes
[04:00] <Kamion> JavaUser: might be worth installing afresh but creating a small /boot partition at the start of the disk
[04:00] <Kamion> there's a bug about that
[04:01] <JavaUser> is there a way to fix grub from knoppix?
[04:01] <JavaUser> i see here i can access both drives perfectly from knoppix
[04:01] <Kamion> if it's what I think it is it's a BIOS limitation; you do need to reinstall with a small /boot
[04:02] <muelling> I'll just say bye then. Thanks for your help! Have a nice day folks!
[04:02] <JavaUser> ok kamion. could you guide me through it?
[04:02] <Kamion> although error 21 means "selected disk does not exist", which may be different
[04:03] <JavaUser> im terribly sorry to come in here like a total idiot, but im pretty scared of lossing all my data
[04:03] <Treenaks> JavaUser: you should really check your BIOS, and see if your disk is detected correctly there.
[04:03] <JavaUser> ok
[04:04] <JavaUser> ill be back shortly, thank you for your help
[04:04] <Kamion> I'm afraid I don't have time for detailed guidance at the moment; the installation manual is http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/
[04:08] <LinSpider> Just bought a 200 GIG HD and an USB external case, but I can not read/write from/to it. any suggestions ?
[04:09] <LinSpider> could it be that the new HD isn't formatted yet ?
[04:09] <LinSpider> or someting it that area ?
[04:12] <LinSpider> really, nobody ??
[04:13] <eniac> you know it would be really easy if they added a link to this page where to find this debootstrap http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[04:15] <Kamion> eniac: there's already a link there
[04:16] <Kamion> it's the first link on the page apart from the headers
[04:16] <eniac> kinda in a strange place, but thanks
[04:16] <Kamion> in general, if you have a problem with the manual, please file a bug.
[04:17] <eniac> what's the difference between udeb and the debootstrap without udeb
[04:17] <Kamion> debs are for use in real systems; udebs are for use in the installer.
[04:17] <Kamion> if you're installing from a non-Debian/Ubuntu system, you don't want either; you want the source.
[04:17] <eniac> ok
[04:19] <polok_> time for bed
[04:20] <polok_> g'night
[04:26] <sludge> hello everyone! just installed ubuntu, can i ask a few questions?
[04:27] <sludge> i'm new to apt-get package system, is there any place else where i can write to update mozilla firefox?
[04:27] <sludge> or for example i try apt-get install xmms and it comes up with nothing
[04:28] <psi> xmms is probably in the universe repository
[04:28] <psi> which you need to enable in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:28] <sludge> i tried apt-get update, and it's doing something here
[04:29] <cardador> sludge: just use synaptic to keep your system up to date
[04:29] <cardador> sludge: synaptic is an apt-get frontend
[04:30] <sludge> alrighty then
[04:30] <sludge> give me a few minutes :)
[04:31] <Bliksem> how do i set up dc++ with ubuntu?
[04:32] <eniac> I'm again in trouble debootstrap complains it can find /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions which is normal, since there's no such file, also on the page it says /usr/sbin/debootstrap, but I don't have that ...
[04:33] <Kamion> set DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR if you haven't installed debootstrap but are trying to run it out of the source directory
[04:33] <eniac> I did
[04:33] <Kamion> bet you didn't :)
[04:33] <Kamion> maybe you forgot to export it
[04:34] <sludge> alright, how about samba? it says support for samba is not installed
[04:34] <eniac> Kamion: I did run it from the source dir but didn't set the var :)
[04:34] <cardador> sludge: apt-get update is the same as clicking "reload" in synaptic
[04:34] <eniac> Kamion: E: No such script: /mnt/ubuntu/debootstrap-0.2.39ubuntu21/scripts/sarge
[04:35] <Kamion> there is no scripts directory in the source tarball
[04:35] <eniac> idd, 
[04:35] <Kamion> perhaps you should install the package properly
[04:35] <Kamion> e.g. 'make install'
[04:36] <eniac> Kamion: impossible !
[04:36] <eniac> I haven't got dpkg
[04:36] <Kamion> you have the source, don't you?
[04:36] <Kamion> its Makefile has an install target
[04:38] <sludge> cardador: it's cool, but i can't work samba?
[04:39] <eniac> ok the manual needs to be updated sarge doesn't exist anymore
[04:39] <eniac> hoary or warty
[04:40] <Kamion> where does it say that?
[04:40] <Kamion> hang on, I'll check, I thought I'd branded most of it
[04:40] <eniac> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/
[04:40] <Kamion> never mind, I'll look myself
[04:40] <Kamion> eniac: fixed, thanks
[04:42] <cardador> sludge: cant work samba?
[04:42] <eniac> Kamion: the realse file for sarge is still failing ...
[04:42] <Kamion> you're still trying sarge?
[04:42] <eniac> release
[04:42] <cardador> sludge: what do you mean?
[04:42] <tiagobugarin> any one knows how to change the locale from the terminal?
[04:42] <eniac> Kamion: you never said I needed to try something else
[04:43] <Kamion> eniac: you said it yourself, so I didn't think I needed to :-P
[04:43] <malte`> tiagobugarin: export LANG=yourlang
[04:43] <eniac> Kamion: but I don't know what to choose warty or hoary
[04:43] <Kamion> eniac: hoary doesn't really exist yet. warty.
[04:43] <sludge> cardador: computer/system conf./network, on general tab, windows networks, it says install samba support?
[04:44] <tiagobugarin> malte`: this will work on next reboot?
[04:45] <sludge> AND evolution is not starting after i fill in the initial configuration screen!
[04:45] <sludge> this is getting out of hand :) 
[04:45] <Kamion> eniac: note that that appendix is still incomplete, it doesn't e.g. describe how to set up a full Ubuntu desktop
[04:47] <tiagobugarin> my keyboard is abnt2, not us-intl... where i can change this for terminal?
[04:47] <cardador> sludge: go to synaptic, search "samba" and install it
[04:47] <mteira> Hi.
[04:48] <mteira> Has anybody got a samba printer working on ubuntu?
[04:48] <sludge> good news, it started, bad news, it's downloading.. 
[04:48] <sludge> i tried mplayer and wine and they couldnt be found
[04:49] <malte`> tiagobugarin: just append it to ~/.bashrc
[04:50] <sludge> is there a way to install it directly from cd?
[04:51] <sludge> i mean, it takes a while for it to download you know
[04:51] <sludge> i dont have a good connection here
[04:51] <cas> sludge, i just did install it from cd
[04:51] <eniac> Kamion: E: no /usr/lib/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices how bad is this ?
[04:51] <sludge> yep, but after update it wanted to download
[04:51] <sludge> :)
[04:52] <cas> just say no if it ask if it must download the packages from internet
[04:52] <tiagobugarin> malte`: don't have a way to do this to all users and newers... i mean, if it came from the bootup script that configures this stuff it will be system wide and things will just work!
[04:52] <cas> Did anyone in here updated his/her evolution from 1.4 to 2.0? i can't seem to find out how this works
[04:52] <Kamion> eniac: you didn't run 'fakeroot make'
[04:53] <eniac> Kamion: the manual doesn't tell you to do
[04:53] <Kamion> eniac: 15:16 < Kamion> in general, if you have a problem with the manual, please file a bug.
[04:53] <Kamion> :-)
[04:53] <Kamion> as it happens I'm working on that chapter at the moment
[04:54] <eniac> Kamion: I give up,! if the manual expects you to do things that aren't metiond to make it work then I don't see the point in the manual
[04:54] <Kamion> eniac: BTW the manual doesn't talk about installing from source at all
[04:54] <Kamion> eniac: perhaps you should follow the directions it gives?
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ ar -xf debootstrap_0.X.X_arch.deb
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ cd /
[04:54] <Kamion>  $ zcat &#60; /full-path-to-work/work/data.tar.gz | tar xv
[04:54] <eniac> Kamion: I did that
[04:54] <sabdfl> elmo: could you thom me the private key for 01.pem please?
[04:54] <sludge> alright, i've deselected web adresses, now it did install from cd
[04:54] <sabdfl> oops, ww
[04:54] <eniac> but enough of this I'm out gonne go after some cd's to make it work
[04:54] <malte`> tiagobugarin: you're right... dunno, i got it automagically configured at installation
[04:54] <daniels> sabdfl: you want him to send it to a list of ~30 people? :)
[04:55] <sabdfl> daniels: later :-)
[04:55] <Kamion> eniac: if you'd done that then you'd have /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ and /usr/sbin/debootstrap; you said earlier that you didn't, though
[04:55] <Kamion> 15:17 < Kamion> if you're installing from a non-Debian/Ubuntu system, you don't want either; you want the source.
[04:55] <Kamion> that was probably misinformation, though, sorry
[04:55] <eniac> but then I did it because you pointed that out for me ..
[04:55] <eniac> and still ...
[04:56] <Kamion> yes, I apologise for suggesting installing from source
[04:56] <eniac> I hope I can find a place that lets me buy one cd :)
[04:56] <Kamion> http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[04:56] <eniac> Kamion: today :)
[04:57] <tiagobugarin> malte`: i found a script (/etc/bash.bashrc) that i think is where things go.. but now i realize that my locale is ok. my problem is only with incorrect keyboard layout
[04:58] <Kamion> eniac: also note that the manual has only very recently been adapted from Debian to Ubuntu, and you're one of the first people to try it out for real
[04:59] <Kamion> eniac: imagine trying Ubuntu four months ago :)
[04:59] <sludge> thank you all!
[04:59] <sludge> see ya :(
[04:59] <sludge> :)
[04:59] <knewt> is it ok to remove ubuntu-base from the system?
[04:59] <eniac> Kamion: no I won't :p
[05:00] <daniels> knewt: yes
[05:00] <cardador> tiagobugarin: i have the same problem
[05:01] <tiagobugarin> cardador: did you find any information yet?
[05:01] <knewt> daniels: ta. i want to swap from postfix to exim, and of course ubuntu-base depends on postfix ;)
[05:02] <mteira> Could anybody help me with my printer problems?
[05:03] <cardador> tiagobugarin: no not yes
[05:03] <cardador> yet
[05:08] <Bliksem> how do i get the sources for my kernel?
[05:08] <sri> hey, has anybody packaged gstreamer-ffmpeg?
[05:10] <[rapha] > Hmm
[05:10] <[rapha] > Is Totem showing a blue screen a known issue?
[05:10] <jamesh> [rapha] : it is a bug in the X server.
[05:11] <cas> is it possible to install mplayer?
[05:11] <jamesh> [rapha] : if you close some apps using lots of X server memory, you should be able to see the video
[05:11] <cas> or can it only be done by compiling it from source?
[05:12] <joem> cas, check the wiki
[05:12] <Bliksem> trying to install nvidia driver here, and its wantiong kernel sources
[05:13] <Bliksem> apt-get doesnt find the sources for my kernel :/
[05:13] <Bliksem> i assume i need to edit my sources list
[05:13] <Bliksem> what/how should i edit it?
[05:13] <sri> hello jamesh, having a pleasant night?
[05:13] <jamesh> sri: yeah.
[05:13] <sri> Bliksem: get the restricted modules package.
[05:13] <sri> Bliksem: I believe nvidia driver is in there.
[05:14] <Bliksem> restricted modules?
[05:14] <sri> does anybody know if gstreamer's ffmpeg work that Ronald has been doing is packaged?
[05:14] <sri> apt-cache search restricted
[05:14] <sri> should show up
[05:14] <alakdan> hi just wondering how to update/upgrade mozilla-firefox by just using apt-get
[05:14] <Zomb> where are there Mono packages for Ubuntu?
[05:14] <sri> apt-get update;apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:14] <mteira> Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!
[05:15] <alakdan> sri, thanks
[05:15] <mteira> What about this error trying to print on a remote ippl server (ubuntu) ?
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: it's unsupported, but it works for me.
[05:16] <sri> Zomb: stick thatin your sources.list in /etc/apt
[05:17] <Zomb> sri: are they just recompiled from Debian Sid?
[05:17] <swoon> when is ubuntu final due?
[05:17] <sri> Zomb: I'm not certain.. :/
[05:17] <Kamion> swoon: 20th October
[05:17] <sri> Zomb: you could ask Tseng
[05:17] <sri> tseng: are your mono sources recompiled from sid or are they true ubuntu packages?
[05:18] <swoon> neat Kamion thx
[05:18] <sri> the final is supposed to have xorg?
[05:18] <Kamion> sri: nope, that's for Hoary
[05:18] <sri> ah, thats end of the year I think..
[05:18] <Kamion> April 2005
[05:18] <sri> oh!
[05:18] <Kamion> you won't be seeing major changes between now and Warty final
[05:18] <sri> plenty of time for the xorg folks to get it right :)
[05:19] <sri> Kamion: that makes sense.
[05:19] <Kamion> well, that's release; we'll want it in Hoary development well before then of course
[05:19] <sri> xorg isn't quite stable with composite stuff..
[05:19] <jamesh> sri: Warty XFree86 is quite different from pristine XF86 4.3
[05:19] <sri> when wwill Hoary devel come out..
[05:19] <sri> jamesh: so I hear, although I have not yet read what the differneces are.
[05:19] <Kamion> shortly after Warty is released
[05:20] <sri> Kamion: cool.
[05:20] <jamesh> sri: look at the size of the .diff.gz file in http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86/
[05:20] <sri> my only issue and this is with debian overall, I can't seem to get my damn automounter working...
[05:21] <sri> er let me quantify that statement, I can't get automounter + nis working
[05:21] <tiagobugarin> cardador: i have found in gentoo forum that in rc.conf need to have 'KEYMAP="br-abnt2"' (in my case abnt2 is the correct) but i couldn't find it in ubuntu
[05:23] <Zomb> sri: I looked trough them, seem to be recompiled Sid packages
[05:25] <carlos> seb128: is it normal that the Computer folder has "Network" icon inside? I thought it was removed so only local volumes will be there
[05:26] <seb128> hum, I thought too
[05:26] <cardador> tiagobugarin: nice. im from portugal so your br would be pt for me
[05:27] <seb128> carlos: jamesh did the changes, no sure if that's a bug or if the icon has not been moved ...
[05:27] <carlos> jamesh: ?
[05:27] <tiagobugarin> cardador: the only problem is that i do not know where to do this in ubuntu
[05:28] <sri> Zomb: k
[05:28] <|trey|> seb128: noticed you fixed the mp3 id tag/rhythmbox issue, thank you  :)
[05:28] <seb128> np :)
[05:28] <sri> hi seb128 
[05:28] <seb128> hey sri ;)
[05:29] <tiagobugarin> cardador: look this: http://www.comlinux.com.br/docs/foca/ch-cfg.html
[05:32] <jamesh> seb128/carlos: I didn't add it back.  It might have been reenabled if patch to remove it and the patch to move the connected server icons had been merged
[05:32] <jamesh> the bug fix I did for the connected servers patch didn't include anything for removing the network icon.
[05:33] <carlos> jamesh: should I file a bug about it?
[05:33] <jamesh> carlos: probably.
[05:33] <carlos> ok
[05:34] <seb128> carlos: please assign it directly to jamesh 
[05:34] <seb128> and cc me
[05:34] <carlos> ok
[05:35] <tiagobugarin> cardador: just typed 'kbdconfig' witch is a wrapper for 'dpkg-reconfigure console-common'... testing now
[05:35] <tiagobugarin> cardador: working... 
[05:36] <|trey|> Is Herbert Xu working with Ubuntu now?
[05:37] <|trey|> Seen him on bugzilla a few times, just wondering....
[05:37] <carlos> |trey|: he's working on our kernel
[05:37] <|trey|> carlos: so he's an employee, or just helping out?
[05:38] <carlos> I think he's working with something like a bounty, but not sure
[05:38] <PandU> where can i find anx unrar program for amd-64
[05:39] <pitti> PandU: install rar and unrar from multiverse
[05:39] <|trey|> PandU: not in Universe?
[05:39] <carlos> |trey|: I'm not working directly on Ubuntu but other Canonical projects
[05:39] <|trey|> carlos: oh, like what?  :)
[05:39] <PandU> do i have to add a res to sources
[05:39] <|trey|> carlos: don't see anything else but Ubuntu on the site  :(
[05:39] <carlos> |trey|: You should be killed if I tell you it :-P
[05:40] <carlos> |trey|: mainly, l10n tools
[05:40] <|trey|> PandU: nah, just stick the word "multiverse" at the end of the first line that looks like a URL  :)
[05:40] <PandU> a multiverse resp.
[05:40] <carlos> not yet released
[05:40] <PandU> in where
[05:40] <|trey|> carlos: cool  :)  something for Ubuntu down the road though I presume?  :)
[05:40] <|trey|> PandU: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <carlos> |trey|: yes
[05:41] <|trey|> carlos: cool  :)
[05:42] <PandU> I am using synaptic so do i have to remove universe and replace it with multivers
[05:42] <PandU> in this url http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:42] <|trey|> carlos: I only speak English, but internationalization is very important  :)
[05:43] <|trey|> PandU: no, just add multiverse at the end
[05:43] <carlos> |trey|: true
[05:44] <PandU> Can you please past that line of your sources.list
[05:45] <imka> how can i check myself if a port is open? not in my firewall app. there is supposed to be a way to connect to a port through a browser or telnet
[05:45] <|trey|> PandU: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main universe multiverse
[05:45] <|trey|> but I removed restricted cuz i don't need it  :/
[05:45] <PandU> I have added what u said and waiting for update thanks
[05:45] <|trey|> PandU: you're welcome  :)
[05:46] <PandU> One more question though, by adding multiverse what am i actually doing a mix 32 / 64 bit sys?
[05:47] <|trey|> PandU: its just another grouping of packages, just like main and universe...
[05:48] <PandU> ok
[05:48] <|trey|> PandU: you are still working from the correct port, so it should remain purely 64bit afaik
[05:50] <swoon> I wonder is there anyway to check that my system is reaping the 64bit benifits from using ubuntu x86_64 and a system with an athlon 64 ?
[05:51] <imka> how can i connect to an own listen port? i wanna connect to port 6346 through a browser or telnet?
[05:51] <|trey|> imka: localhost:6346
[05:53] <swoon> a "network" requires more than one pc correct? if you have one pc wirelessly connected to a router, then a printer connected to that router, that is not considered a network is it?
[05:53] <|trey|> swoon: not that I'm aware of... but your packages should mention x86_64 in their names... this signifies they were compiled for that arch...
[05:53] <|trey|> swoon: a network is more then one node... a printer counts as a node.
[05:53] <swoon> |trey| yes they do
[05:55] <swoon> hrmm ok, at work, I setup a setup like I mentioned above, (the bosses copmuter uses win xp) I didnt think I really made a network, I just added a printer and a scanner that connected via a port that was the printer/scanners ip address...
[05:55] <|trey|> swoon: afaict you're looking for an app to give you visual feedback of this though, afaik, thats not possible
[05:56] <imka> is any1 using a gnutella client?
[05:56] <|trey|> swoon: scanners also count as nodes
[05:57] <|trey|> swoon: anything accessable via a connection of some kind is a node... iPod's, everything.
[05:57] <swoon> |trey| I understood that, but what I did did that consist of making a network? or does building a network consist of making some centralized software 
[05:57] <swoon> "architecture"
[05:57] <swoon> and then connecting the nodes to the software
[05:57] <|trey|> swoon: a network is basically an ideal that you should be able to be lazy, a network is meant to aid in laziness.
[05:58] <|trey|> swoon: I shouldn't have to walk to a scanner to scan something, I shouldn't have to go to a printer other then to pick up what was printed... this is what a network is  :)
[05:59] <|trey|> swoon: In an ideal world, I should have a secretary to go get it too... thus utter laziness on my part  :)
[05:59] <swoon> |trey| so does it sound like I built a "network" ? I just connected a sanner/printer/fax machine to a wifi router, and then a laptop wirelessly to the router, and added them as devices in windows...
[05:59] <|trey|> yes
[05:59] <swoon> hmm was easier than I thought
[05:59] <swoon> stupidly easy
[06:00] <|trey|> swoon: the larger scale the network is, the tougher to configure... thats a small network, but still a network.
[06:00] <swoon> oh I bet
[06:00] <|trey|> LDAP makes large scale networks relatively easy too  :)
[06:00] <swoon> well good, I just wanted to make sure that I was doing what I was supposed to :)
[06:00] <|trey|> When it decides to work well at least  :)
[06:01] <swoon> well Im yet to get the printer/scanner added to my linux laptop though...
[06:01] <|trey|> cups for the printer... sane for the scanner... google for directions  :)
[06:02] <swoon> hmm ok
[06:04] <swoon> how do I know if the windows machine is currently using cups or something else?
[06:04] <|trey|> Its using something else enless you told it to use CUPS.. it can use CUPS though...
[06:04] <|trey|> (Something else = IPP)
[06:05] <swoon> |trey| do I need to tell it to use CUPS?
[06:05] <|trey|> Very simular to IPP, I think CUPS even supports IPP devices
[06:05] <imka> is any1 using a gnutella client? gtk-gnutella?
[06:05] <|trey|> swoon: or LPR, yes
[06:05] <|trey|> CUPS can emulate LPR
[06:05] <mteira> My computer doesn't start with my usb scanner attached.
[06:05] <swoon> hrmmm ok
[06:06] <mteira> Is this problem known?
[06:06] <mteira> It hungs while executing usb.rc
[06:06] <petemc> my laptop wont boot with an ipod plgged in
[06:06] <mteira> The last thing I see on the screen is:
[06:06] <mteira> * Running usb.rc...
[06:06] <|trey|> petemc: ipod's are expensive  :(
[06:07] <swoon> hehe
[06:07] <|trey|> mteira: just for shits and giggles, reboot with the scanner plugged in... and hit "ctrl+c" when it starts to stall
[06:07] <mteira> |trey|: That worked this morning.
[06:07] <mteira> |trey|: But not now.
[06:08] <mteira> |trey|: Perhaps the last kernel upgrade
[06:08] <|trey|> mteira: perhaps, I'm not the person to talk to about such things though  :(
[06:08] <mteira> |trey|: It seems that there's nobody to talk about usb and printing problems, anyway
[06:08] <mteira> I'm a little desperate.
[06:09] <mteira> I've spend all the morning trying to print on a remote ubuntu-managed printer
[06:09] <mteira> Now, after disconnecting all the usb devices, the system starts
[06:09] <|trey|> mteira: my boxes don't reboot enough to mind such problems....
[06:10] <|trey|> mteira: file a bug @ bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <mteira> |trey|: Well, I could live with that, if plugging the devices after reboot worked fine.
[06:10] <[rapha] > Does somebody here use GnomeMeeting as it comes with Ubuntu?
[06:10] <[rapha] > Because I'm having problems connecting to ils.seconix.com
[06:10] <|trey|> [rapha] : no use for it here  :(
[06:10] <[rapha] > How so, trey?
[06:11] <|trey|> [rapha] : no one I know uses the protocol  :/
[06:11] <[rapha] > Oh.
[06:11] <|trey|> [rapha] : doesn't support yahoo or msn protocols...
[06:11] <blocke> has anyone figured out yet why gtk 1.2 apps don't seem to respect .gtkrc at all?
[06:11] <[rapha] > Well, I'm investigating using PhoneGAIM for SIP phoning right now
[06:11] <mteira> And again, this f***ing lock on cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[06:12] <|trey|> (the video confrencing protocols those messaging protocols use)
[06:12] <[rapha] > The great thing about SIP is that it works together with the old landline phones
[06:12] <|trey|> mteira: sudo.
[06:12] <|trey|> [rapha] : still does me no good  :/
[06:12] <mteira> |trey|: What do you mean?
[06:12] <|trey|> [rapha] : and video over a phone line would bring a lot of lag  :/
[06:12] <mteira> |trey|: Using sudo to cat the file?
[06:13] <highvoltage> hi everyone. where can I take a look at the ubuntu bug list?
[06:13] <|trey|> mteira: you get the lock because you don't have root permissions... sudo -s THEN do whatever you were trying to do...
[06:13] <mteira> |trey|: No way. You could expect a "permission denied" using the regular user, but not a lock. This is a kernel lock on a system call. I hate it.
[06:13] <mteira> |trey|: I disagree
[06:13] <|trey|> highvoltage: bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[06:14] <highvoltage> trey: thanks
[06:14] <mteira> |trey|: I've also tried with root user, the lock is here again.
[06:14] <[rapha] > trey: Erm, no. I'm talking about using the internet to phone with friends who do not yet have an internet phone. And that for very cheap prices.
[06:14] <highvoltage> hmm... doesn't work
[06:14] <zepo> i can't get inside my ttys, my screen becomes all black,someone can help me!?
[06:14] <|trey|> mteira: no really... its due to not being root.... look at Fedora's "Stateless Linux" movements and help out if you want that changed...
[06:14] <highvoltage> nevermind, found it in the meeting room
[06:15] <highvoltage> it ends with .com, not .org
[06:15] <|trey|> mteira: a user can't access devices or system configuration... this is acceptable to everyone but you and redhat...
[06:15] <mteira> |trey|: But i'm getting the lock either using sudo.
[06:15] <mteira> |trey|: Anyway, what sense has this behaviour.
[06:16] <mteira> |trey|: that 'cat' process is locked forever. I cannot kill it.
[06:16] <mteira> |trey|: I think it's a bug.
[06:16] <|trey|> mteira: funny... it let me view the file  :/
[06:17] <mteira> |trey|: It happens only on some lock situation
[06:17] <spiv> mteira: it's an aspect of unix since the beginning of time that you can't kill a process blocked in the D state. :)
[06:17] <mteira> spiv: The problem is that process locked.
[06:17] <mteira> spiv: And not the fact of not being able to kill it.
[06:18] <|trey|> mteira: umm, you were locked out... process stopped when it told you you didn't have permissions.
[06:18] <mteira> |trey|: It told me nothing. :)
[06:18] <|trey|> mteira: ctrl+c then  :/
[06:18] <spiv> Sorry, I've come in in the middle of this discussion.  What process, and what do you mean by "locked"? :)
[06:18] <mteira> spiv: cat
[06:18] <mteira> spiv: I'm not able to ctrl-c it, neither kill -9 as root it.
[06:19] <|trey|> spiv: he was denied cat /proc/bus/usb/devices .....
[06:19] <spiv> Right.  Because it's stuck in the D state, I'll bet.
[06:19] <mteira> Yes, it's on D state
[06:19] <|trey|> spiv: D = dead or what
[06:19] <mteira> But that's because something weird happens with the usb support.
[06:19] <mteira> On normal situation, you're able to cat that file.
[06:20] <mteira> BTW that's not a file, it's an special kernel file.
[06:20] <spiv> mteira: Right.  It shouldn't hang... it sounds like there's a bug in the usb support for your hardware.
[06:20] <mteira> spiv: sure.
[06:20] <mteira> spiv: I'm getting mad with it.
[06:21] <mteira> It's an AMD 756 or something so.
[06:21] <|trey|> spiv: no really, what is the D state?
[06:21] <mteira> ohci_hcd
[06:21] <darkersatanic> The D state is where the task is waiting for the kernel to do something, such as read from a device or write to one.
[06:22] <darkersatanic> Tasks should spend small amounts of time in D state.
[06:22] <darkersatanic> They can't be interrupted in D state, and if they end up getting stuck in it, you can't kill them.
[06:22] <mteira> D == uninterruptible sleep
[06:22] <mteira> It's a lock.
[06:23] <|trey|> darkersatanic: thank you  :)
[06:23] <mteira> And it's not a very strange hardware.
[06:24] <mteira> |trey|: :))
[06:27] <lordaj76> j'ai voulu tester un glxgears
[06:27] <lordaj76> j'ai tout plant 
[06:27] <|trey|> lordaj76: tu parle anglais?
[06:28] <lordaj76> |trey|, dsol je me suis plant de channel
[06:29] <|trey|> lordaj76: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[06:29] <lordaj76> :)
[06:30] <|trey|> Vous pouvez employer qu'emplacement pour essayer et communiquer des probl?mes
[06:34] <giuSerpe> hi all
[06:35] <giuSerpe> can I use my ltmodem in my ubuntu-box?
[06:39] <highvoltage> hi. where does the ubuntu channels get logged?
[06:40] <azeem> highvoltage: usually, meeting minutes get posted to one of the mailing lists along with an IRC log.
[06:40] <azeem> I don't know whether logs of the ubuntu chans are generally available on the net
[06:44] <C2H5OH> hello all
[06:47] <afonit> c2h50h: hello
[06:49] <highvoltage> C2H50H: Hello
[06:50] <highvoltage> C2H50H: nice name
[06:51] <amerine> morning folks
[06:52] <will> so is eveyone updating on the old synaptic?
[06:52] <afonit> yes
[06:53] <highvoltage> guys, what's the easiest way to create y own ubuntu mirror?
[06:54] <highvoltage> oops.. gtg...  I'll ask on the lists.. goodbye
[06:55] <C2H5OH> I only have one question I didn't find in the faq: does ubuntu come with prelink ?
[06:56] <C2H5OH> I guess not
[06:56] <Kamion> C2H5OH: no, we use a linker option which gets you most of the benefits of prelink without the management pain
[06:57] <C2H5OH> Kamion: mmmm, interesting, where can I find information about that option?
[06:57] <Kamion> it's -O1, look it up in the ld documentation
[06:57] <C2H5OH> ok, thanks a lot :-*
[06:59] <C2H5OH> Kamion:  by the way, is "capital o", right?
[06:59] <C2H5OH> -O1
[06:59] <C2H5OH> like the gcc -Ox options
[06:59] <Kamion> yes
[07:00] <C2H5OH> allright
[07:00] <C2H5OH> is not in the man page
[07:00] <C2H5OH> probably in the info manual
[07:00] <Kamion> -O is in the man page, but it doesn't go into detail
[07:00] <C2H5OH> ok
[07:00] <C2H5OH> I found it ^_^
[07:01] <Kamion> C2H5OH: try http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00377.html
[07:01] <jono> hi all
[07:02] <jono> how can I map the windows key on my keyboard to something useful?
[07:02] <C2H5OH> Kamion:  that seems like the global optimizator, doesn't it ?
[07:03] <Kamion> what's one of those?
[07:03] <C2H5OH> you know, global executable optimizations
[07:03] <C2H5OH> ont compile-time
[07:04] <Kamion> that sounds like a very handwavy term :-)
[07:04] <Kamion> it's a linker optimisation.
[07:04] <C2H5OH> that's right
[07:04] <C2H5OH> but I'd have never guessed GNU ld supported that
[07:04] <Kamion> so it's build-time; not compile-time as such
[07:04] <C2H5OH> good lord
[07:04] <C2H5OH> so much CPU power lost
[07:05] <will> hi is there a gnome equivelant of 'task manager'
[07:05] <goatboy> will: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[07:06] <will> and command line? is there one for that too
[07:06] <afonit> Will:  also with goatboy's comment, on the top right, you can split it inot 'my processes/active processes/all process' very handy
[07:07] <goatboy> will: top would be the closest, I guess.
[07:08] <will> thanks!
[07:10] <afonit> anyone know where there is a tip's and tricks website for ubuntu?
[07:11] <afonit> sort of like how fedora has the 'unnoficial faq' website of how to get odd things going
[07:11] <afonit> etc..
[07:11] <Kamion> Ubuntu's a bit new for that
[07:11] <Kamion> I'm sure something will grow up in time
[07:11] <afonit> k, thanks, I do like it so far though
[07:11] <afonit> also, someone started an unofficial forum already
[07:12] <trukulo> afonit, no, but you have mail lists
[07:12] <afonit> trukulo: ty
[07:16] <trukulo> umm: Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[07:16] <trukulo> where is splash image?
[07:16] <superted> search for the entry in GConf
[07:17] <trukulo> gconf? it's kernel related
[07:17] <trukulo> not gnome nor gdm
[07:17] <azeem> trukulo: depends on which splash image you're talking about :)
[07:17] <trukulo> kernel splash image
[07:17] <Kamion> grub, I imagine
[07:18] <trukulo> Kamion, yes
[07:18] <Kamion> I believe we took that out since the video mode switch had some unwanted side-effects
[07:18] <spiv> Oh, hmm.
[07:18] <spiv> I uGrr, lag.
[07:18] <trukulo> Kamion, but kernel is with splash image enabled
[07:18] <Kamion> EPARSE
[07:19] <trukulo> it's not important, i only want to know if ubuntu has splash image or not
[07:19] <trukulo> if not, doesn't matter
[07:19] <Kamion> 18:18 < Kamion> I believe we took that out since the video mode switch had some unwanted side-effects
[07:19] <Kamion> I think that's fairly clear?
[07:20] <trukulo> Kamion, yes, but it's compiled on kernel, only that
[07:20] <Kamion> no, the message you cited was from update-grub, not the kernel
[07:21] <trukulo> Kamion, ah, ok, thanks
[07:21] <Kamion> we don't have bootsplash in the kernel yet either
[07:21] <trukulo> my fault
[07:23] <justdave> heads-up for anyone using bugzilla at the moment, it's getting a refresh, it'll be down for about 10 seconds sometime in the next minute or so.  If you get any errors just wait 10 seconds and hit reload.
[07:23] <justdave> ok, all done, should be up
[07:25] <[rapha] > Kamion: why don't you use RHGB?
[07:27] <Kamion> [rapha] : we don't use any bootsplash because we tried and it broke the installer.
[07:27] <Kamion> [rapha] : and besides it is WAY TOO LATE for warty :-)
[07:28] <[rapha] > Kamion: What does the installer have to do with the operating system _after_ it is installed?
[07:28] <Kamion> [rapha] : same kernel
[07:29] <[rapha] > Kamion: Oh. Then I must believe that you don't know RHGB?
[07:29] <Kamion> quite possibly
[07:29] <Kamion> please let's not have this discussion now, I have a release to work on
[07:29] <[rapha] > (I'm kind of insisting about this because I've received some complaints from "normal" users)
[07:29] <[rapha] > Okay
[07:29] <Kamion> it is too late for warty. we will have something similar for hoary.
[07:30] <[rapha] > I'll just tell you that RHGB is what Fedora uses and works by starting the XServer as early as possible.
[07:30] <[rapha] > And I don't want it for Warty.
[07:30] <justdave> [rapha] : it'll be in the next release...  watch for people to talk about it and grab a daily image from hoary as soon as they start posting them with that included
[07:30] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fusplash
[07:30] <[rapha] > (Already hacked the bootscripts to only show "Please stand by while the computer is booting..." for my users
[07:30] <[rapha] > )
[07:31] <[rapha] > justdave: Cool :)
[07:31] <Kamion> [rapha] : have you tried RHGB in Warty and found it to work?
[07:32] <[rapha] > Kamion: Not yet, but I can if it would help you.
[07:32] <Kamion> [rapha] : and have you found it to work on powerpc and amd64?
[07:32] <Kamion> I notice that RHGB ships Xvesa
[07:32] <[rapha] > Well, my _guess_ would be that if PPC and AMD64 can run an X server, it'll work.
[07:32] <Kamion> so it sounds a bit architecture-specific
[07:33] <Kamion> our plan was to use the framebuffer instead
[07:33] <[rapha] > That's something I always found confusing about RHGB: why doesn't it just use the normal X configuration.
[07:33] <[rapha] > Hmm. Using the framebuffer, you'd rule out me for example.
[07:33] <[rapha] > It's not working here for some reason, don't know why.
[07:34] <trukulo> umm, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:34] <trukulo> unofficial forums about ubuntu, curios
[07:34] <trukulo> curious
[07:34] <andril> hello all
[07:35] <andril> can some one assist me with some sound issues?
[07:36] <Kamion> [rapha] : using X rules out a fair few of our users, as the bugs against X will testify
[07:36] <Kamion> [rapha] : presumably the installer also does not display correctly for you
[07:36] <[rapha] > Kamion: but isn't Ubuntu a desktop-centric distribution? How will it work without X?
[07:37] <Kamion> [rapha] : it sometimes requires manual configuration
[07:37] <[rapha] > Kamion: The text mode installer displays just fine.
[07:37] <Kamion> [rapha] : the "text mode" installer uses the framebuffer
[07:37] <[rapha] > Kamion: And if these users require manual configuration for X, where's the difference in doing it at install time?
[07:38] <Kamion> that's done after the first reboot; I'd want bootsplash to kick in at the first reboot to make sure the boot process works properly
[07:38] <[rapha] > Kamion: But it's not displaying pictures. For example, the isolinux picture isn't showing up here.
[07:38] <tvon|x31> I dont care for rhgb because it takes too long to actually start up during the boot process
[07:38] <[rapha] > (Neither on any other LCD screen I tried Ubuntu on)
[07:38] <Kamion> [rapha] : the isolinux picture does not use the Linux framebuffer
[07:38] <Kamion> [rapha] : since it is displayed before Linux starts
[07:39] <[rapha] > Hmm
[07:39] <[rapha] > My fault, sorry
[07:39] <Kamion> isolinux breaking is an entirely separate and probably much harder problem
[07:39] <Kamion> in practice the framebuffer works out of the box with no configuration for virtually all our users
[07:39] <Kamion> and it allows you to start bootsplash before mounting /usr, for example
[07:40] <[rapha] > In that case I haven't said anything.
[07:40] <Kamion> using a framebuffer, you can display a splash image right out of the initrd
[07:40] <tseng> Kamion: kdrive (and I believe X) can run a (slow) X server on top of linux framebuffer
[07:40] <tseng> that might be useful for an installer.
[07:41] <Kamion> gtk/linuxfb or gtk/directfb is simpler and faster
[07:42] <C2H5OH> which version of Xfce4 does ubuntu have?
[07:42] <C2H5OH> (I mean the current Release)
[07:43] <Kamion> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4/
[07:43] <C2H5OH> thanks :-)
[07:44] <C2H5OH> 4.0.5
[07:44] <C2H5OH> same as Debian Sid
[07:44] <C2H5OH> but I guess Gnome now loads almost as quick
[07:44] <C2H5OH> doesn't it ?
[07:45] <[rapha] > Kamion: do you know the bug number of the Totem-showing-only-a-blue-screen-bug?
[07:45] <[rapha] > C2H5OH: 2.8 _is_ a good deal faster than previous versions, and _very_ usable.
[07:45] <Kamion> [rapha] : sorry, no
[07:45] <tseng> [rapha] : how about searching for all open totem bugs and look for the relevant description
[07:46] <C2H5OH> [rapha] : I'm sure of that, I just was wondering if its load time got closer to xfce4's
[07:47] <C2H5OH> [rapha] : by the way, do the gnome apps start to use bonobo at last?
[07:48] <[rapha] > Good idea tseng
[07:48] <[rapha] > C2H5OH: I don't even know what Bonobo does :)
[07:48] <C2H5OH> Bonobo is the component framework, based on CORBA Gnome is supposed to use
[07:49] <[rapha] > So... things would become more integrated by using it?
[07:49] <C2H5OH> yes
[07:49] <C2H5OH> if I'm not mistaken
[07:49] <njs12345> [rapha] : it allows things like using a text editor widget in other apps
[07:49] <C2H5OH> bonobo is the Gnome approach, and kparts is the KDE approach
[07:49] <[rapha] > Oh okay
[07:50] <[rapha] > Hmm
[07:50] <Keybuk> bonobo is kinda deprecated
[07:50] <njs12345> I think perhaps GNOME is moving to D-BUS
[07:50] <C2H5OH> Keybuk: I've read that is not very usable anyway
[07:50] <Keybuk> oh, it's quite usable
[07:50] <C2H5OH> I meant from the developer point of view
[07:50] <njs12345> yeah, it is
[07:50] <Keybuk> so do I, the API is ok
[07:51] <njs12345> the C bindings are kind of awkward, but the Python bindings are really awesome
[07:51] <C2H5OH> then, why there were so few apps bonobo-activated ?
[07:51] <Keybuk> C2H5OH: because it was the wrong thing
[07:51] <njs12345> and it's virtually impossible to write something like a component system without it being unwieldy in C
[07:51] <tvon|x31> bonobo is pretty complicated
[07:52] <C2H5OH> I can imagine
[07:52] <Keybuk> general RPC and message-passing is what d-bus is for now
[07:52] <C2H5OH> I read that as well
[07:53] <C2H5OH> blueZ is using d-bus too
[07:53] <njs12345> I've only ever used it in a pretty simply (I used the Rhythmbox interface), but I never found it that complicated
[07:53] <Keybuk> the main use of bonobo in GNOME is Panel applets
[07:54] <C2H5OH> only ?
[07:54] <[rapha] > Setting up planner (0.11-5) ...
[07:54] <[rapha] > /var/lib/dpkg/info/planner.postinst: line 28: scrollkeeper-update: command not found
[07:54] <[rapha] > ??
[07:55] <[rapha] > I've installed any package that had "scrollkeeper" in its name. Where is it in then?
[07:55] <Kamion> scrollkeeper-update is in scrollkeeper ...
[07:55] <bborkk> Anyone know how to find the current version of a module?
[07:55] <Kamion> you didn't experience weird errors during base-config or something, did you?
[07:55] <bborkk> In particular, I want to know if I have the newest version of ipw2200.
[07:55] <C2H5OH> gotta eat something, thanks for your help folks :-)
[07:56] <C2H5OH> good luck for this project ;-)
[07:56] <Kamion> bborkk: does 'modinfo ipw2200' tell you?
[07:56] <|trey|> Keybuk: how come applets don't use dbus too? then they could surely drop bonobo?
[07:56] <eniac> strange to see lame encode a 40.8MB wav file to 1.8MB mp3 and an other 25.5MB wave file to 3MB mp3
[07:57] <bborkk> Thanks, I didn't know about modinfo.  Unfortunately, it doesn't have the info I'm looking for.
[07:57] <|trey|> eniac: you're sure the quality wasn't different?
[07:57] <Keybuk> |trey|: it didn't exist when libpanel-applet was written
[07:57] <eniac> |trey|: same cd 
[07:57] <njs12345> eniac, the size of an mp3 depends on a lot more than the length of the clip ;)
[07:57] <bborkk> Kamion: Thanks, I didn't know about modinfo.  Unfortunately, it doesn't have the info I'm looking for.
[07:57] <tvon|x31> eniac: does seem strage, though its very possible given how mp3 encoding works
[07:57] <|trey|> Keybuk: plans to port that to dbus?
[07:58] <eniac> I know , just was suprised :)
[07:58] <|trey|> eniac: thats not what I asked...
[07:58] <Keybuk> |trey|: see d-d-l, working out exactly what to do with the panel is ongoing at the moment
[07:58] <bborkk> Kamion: gotta run, back later.  thanks.
[07:58] <eniac> |trey|: then I didn't understand what you wanted to know
[07:58] <njs12345> I use flac so I wouldn't know ;)
[07:58] <[rapha] > Kamion: no...
[07:58] <tvon|x31> eniac: bitrate
[07:58] <Treenaks> Does anyone here have a Prism54 wifi card?
[07:58] <Treenaks> (except for me, that is)
[07:58] <|trey|> eniac: bitrate is the same?
[07:58] <[rapha] > Kamion: but scrollkeeper is installed...
[07:59] <Kamion> [rapha] : look for /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update.*?
[07:59] <|trey|> tvon|x31: I was getting there  :)
[07:59] <tvon|x31> |trey|: :-D
[07:59] <|trey|> Keybuk: debian devel list?
[07:59] <eniac> I have no idea how I should find out that
[07:59] <[rapha] > Kamion: There's only /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-uninstall
[07:59] <tvon|x31> what command did you use to encode it?
[07:59] <|trey|> eniac: most mp3 players will report such things...
[07:59] <[rapha] > Ah
[07:59] <[rapha] > wait
[07:59] <tvon|x31> though if you don't know then its probably the same or both ar vbr
[07:59] <eniac> |trey|: xmms doesn't for wav 
[08:00] <tvon|x31> bitrate is in the mp3
[08:00] <Keybuk> |trey|: GNOME desktop-devel-list
[08:00] <|trey|> eniac: its mp3 though...
[08:00] <|trey|> Keybuk: ahh, that was my next guess  :)
[08:00] <[rapha] > Keybuk: there's a couple of scrollkeeper-*, but no -update.
[08:00] <eniac> ok, finally yes the same bitrate 
[08:00] <Kamion> [rapha] : "dpkg-divert --list '*scrollkeeper*'"?
[08:00] <[rapha] > Kamion: returns without ouput.
[08:01] <|trey|> eniac: ahh... that is wierd.
[08:01] <Kamion> [rapha] : very broken, scrollkeeper ships lots of binaries beyond scrollkeeper-uninstall
[08:01] <Kamion> [rapha] : I'd be inclined to reinstall scrollkeeper
[08:01] <eniac> 128kb/s
[08:01] <[rapha] > Kamion: <[rapha] > Keybuk: there's a couple of scrollkeeper-*, but no -update.
[08:02] <Kamion> [rapha] : yes, I saw that
[08:02] <[rapha] > Okay
[08:02] <Treenaks> Should I report the fact that my prism54 card can't find my AP on channel 13 (which is a "Europe Only" channel)? iwlist eth0 channels does have channel 13...
[08:02] <[rapha] > Will take some time though.
[08:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: I would guess yes, although its unlikely it will be fixed for warty.
[08:03] <Treenaks> |trey|: the second part I had guessed 
[08:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: they are apparently concentrating on us/english for warty, then enabling better localization later.
[08:03] <[rapha] > Treenaks: hearing you speak about WLAN, do you have experience setting up Linux with an AP that is using WEP?
[08:04] <Treenaks> [rapha] : I'm using WEP right now
[08:04] <dieman> multiverse?
[08:04] <[rapha] > Treenaks: How did you get it to work?
[08:04] <Kamion> |trey|: uh
[08:04] <[Maze] > anyone around?
[08:04] <Kamion> |trey|: not many of the developers are actually American, you know :)
[08:04] <|trey|> Kamion: I know, but thats what I was told in here...
[08:05] <Kamion> |trey|: by whom?
[08:05] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I tried for a whole day on my gf's laptop. Without WEP it'll work, with WEP it won't -- regardless of whether I'm trying 64Bit or 128Bit, set the key manually or let it be generated... the card will always not get a DHCP response from the router.
[08:05] <Kamion> |trey|: we haven't finished our localisation infrastructure, but we are making a best effort, and stuff about wireless card APs is independent of all that
[08:05] <[rapha] > (Problem is her father insists on enabling WEP)
[08:05] <[Maze] > having problems gettingubuntu to see my pcmcia, 802.11b msft mn-520 card, and thoughts
[08:05] <|trey|> Kamion: not sure... check logs about OOo needing user to install dictionary... was a week or more ago...
[08:06] <[Maze] > any thoughts rather
[08:06] <Treenaks> [rapha] : how do you specify the key? as a string of hexadecimal characters, or as a word?
[08:06] <|trey|> Kamion: It might even have been you that said it, I believe you were at least taking part in the discussion...
[08:07] <Kamion> |trey|: I most certainly wouldn't have said "concentrating on US English", considering that I'm a British English speaker
[08:07] <RomanK> Did i miss something or did the ubuntu-setup missed to ask me for the root-password?
[08:07] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I tried both. Neither worked. But tell me the right way to do it, maybe I missed a detail...
[08:07] <Kamion> RomanK: correct; use sudo to gain root privileges
[08:07] <Treenaks> [rapha] : I use the hex method
[08:07] <RomanK> Kamion: Hm...
[08:07] <Kamion> RomanK: the root account is disabled. There's stuff on the web site about this.
[08:07] <[rapha] > I see
[08:07] <Treenaks> [rapha] : there are 2 ways: the network applet, and /etc/network/interfaces hand-hacking
[08:07] <[rapha] > Treenaks: and do you use the HEX key as provided by the router?
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: sudo -s = root terminal ... sudo for single tasks...
[08:08] <[rapha] > Treenaks: I did it all by hand with iwconfig...
[08:08] <zepo> my video player can't reproduce any file video?!
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: for security reasons  :)
[08:08] <[rapha] > (After having tried the network applet, which didn't work as well.)
[08:08] <Kamion> more for ease-of-installation reasons
[08:08] <|trey|> RomanK: Apple does it, so you know its been thought out... sudo passwd root to set one though...
[08:08] <Treenaks> [rapha] : iwconfig eth0 key hexhexhexhexhex (only the hex digits, nothing else)
[08:08] <[rapha] > Treenaks: Or can you enter the HEX key directly in the network applet's entry field? Didn't try that...
[08:08] <Treenaks> [rapha] : that works for me
[08:08] <RomanK> hm... sudo suid-root for everyone... for security-reasons? uh...
[08:09] <Treenaks> [rapha] : you can do that oo
[08:09] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:09] <|trey|> RomanK: be aware however that GUI configuration tools still use gksudo
[08:09] <[rapha] > Okay
[08:09] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:09] <[rapha] > Will try that.
[08:09] <[Maze] > would the boot option  nolapic prevent a  pcmcia wificard not to be recognized?
[08:09] <[rapha] > Treenaks: and how long should this hex key be with 128Bit encryption?
[08:09] <Kamion> RomanK: no, sudo isn't enabled for everyone, only for the initially-created user
[08:09] <Treenaks> rapha_alt: 128 bits ;)
[08:09] <[rapha] > How many characters, that is.
[08:09] <[Maze] > isnt a 128bit key 26 chars
[08:10] <RomanK> hm... reminds me somehow on windows xp :(
[08:10] <Treenaks> 26 characters :)
[08:10] <|trey|> RomanK: should remind you more of OS X...
[08:10] <[Maze] > anyone any thoghts on my wifi carD?
[08:10] <|trey|> RomanK: basically same as "run as user" on XP though...
[08:10] <[rapha] > Hmm
[08:11] <|trey|> RomanK: only if you select "Administrator" as the user though...
[08:12] <RomanK> great... and if i start applications which are intend to run as root, it asks me for a password... if you do it, do it right, please
[08:13] <|trey|> RomanK: type users password...
[08:13] <[rapha] > RomanK: What's wrong with that?
[08:13] <Kamion> RomanK: it asks for *your* password.
[08:13] <RomanK> ah...
[08:13] <|trey|> You authenticate via /etc/sudoers not the system itself...
[08:13] <[rapha] > Kamion: just out of curiosity, how does this work "under the hood"? Taking the the user's password for root, that is.
[08:14] <RomanK> hm... i could bet it asked me for "root's password"... but let's see again...
[08:14] <Kamion> [rapha] : we don't set the user's password as root's password; we configure sudo
[08:14] <Kamion> [rapha] : see /usr/lib/base-config/menu/passwd
[08:15] <|trey|> [rapha] : it asks /etc/sudoers if that user has permission to use sudo, if it does, it authenticates the user via /etc/passwd and if ok'ed, the user is given a root environment...
[08:15] <[rapha] > Aah cool
[08:16] <|trey|> Root is never used though... proven by the fact that /root never gets .gnome files etc...
[08:17] <Treenaks> that's 2 bugs in 5 minutes.. is that a record? :)
[08:17] <|trey|> hmm, I take the last part back... thats wierd, shouldn't be that way  :/
[08:17] <RomanK> Kamion: you mentioned i can read about this sudo-stuff on the webpage... i can't find anything about it, can you help me out?
[08:17] <|trey|> Treenaks: nope, I filed like 3 in 1 minute..
[08:18] <Kamion> RomanK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: shit :)
[08:19] <RomanK> Kamion: thanks
[08:19] <|trey|> [rapha] : I have a script update each night  :/
[08:19] <|trey|> And e-mail me changelogs via apt-listchanges  8)
[08:20] <[rapha] > trey: And I'm on 56k :-/
[08:20] <|trey|> [rapha] : I would rather have no internet then 56k
[08:20] <|trey|> 56k is entirely too frustrating...
[08:20] <[rapha] > Heheh
[08:20] <|trey|> I pay only 3 dollars more for cable  :/
[08:21] <|trey|> ($24.99)
[08:21] <[rapha] > As soon as you've found a provider that keeps sending you those 5k/sec _without_ interruption, it is bearable
[08:21] <[rapha] > I've already ordered DSL (will cost me 18?/month), but those r****** don't get my order done.
[08:22] <|trey|> [rapha] : I average about 550kb/s down from ubuntu servers... about the same from Debian mirrors
[08:22] <[rapha] > Wow
[08:22] <[rapha] > So what speed is your cable connection rated at?
[08:22] <|trey|> Seen it get up to a meg... but thats rare...
[08:22] <[rapha] > 3MBit?
[08:23] <|trey|> supposedly garenteed 5mbit down
[08:23] <superted> *has got 4mbit*
[08:23] <|trey|> recently upped from 3
[08:23] <[rapha] > Wow
[08:23] <[rapha] > All I'll get with DSL will be 1MBit. But that's okay.
[08:24] <[rapha] > Better than 56kBit in any case.
[08:24] <RomanK> Hm... something seems to be caching my password...
[08:24] <|trey|> [rapha] : they say my connection is 15x faster then DSL garenteed.
[08:24] <RomanK> once i entered my password in gnome (for sudo-ed synaptic) i'm not asked anymore...
[08:24] <|trey|> RomanK: for 15 mins, correct
[08:24] <RomanK> that's comfortable... but not really secure... if i get evil software running on my user-account it could effect the whole system...
[08:25] <|trey|> RomanK: man sudo for any questions you might have
[08:25] <[rapha] > trey: What country are you in?
[08:25] <|trey|> [rapha] : US
[08:25] <[rapha] > Ah okay
[08:25] <|trey|> [rapha] : how come?
[08:25] <[rapha] > Well, I'm in Germany and DSL can go pretty fast here, but then it's also more expensive.
[08:25] <[rapha] > How come what?
[08:26] <RomanK> |trey|: thanks... i'm really excited what you can do with sudo... i barely used it until now...
[08:26] <hypn0> [rapha] : rnt they introducing a new monthly tax too :-)
[08:26] <[rapha] > Wow, those unofficial Ubuntu forums are pretty cool
[08:26] <|trey|> RomanK: its nothing to be excited about imo.... but I have learned to live with it.... mainly using sudo -s
[08:27] <|trey|> [rapha] : forums on the site will undoubtedly be better...
[08:27] <[rapha] > hypn0: "rnt"?
[08:27] <RomanK> Hm... can sudo also authenticate using pam instead of plain /etc/passwd?
[08:27] <hypn0> arent :-P
[08:27] <Kamion> RomanK: 'timestamp_timeout=0' in /etc/sudoers if you want it to always prompt
[08:27] <Treenaks> RomanK: it does..
[08:27] <Treenaks> RomanK: cat /etc/pam.d/sudo
[08:27] <[rapha] > Ah
[08:27] <[rapha] > Yes, they are. But it won't come before 2008 or so.
[08:28] <[rapha] > By that time I'll prolly have moved to another country ;)
[08:28] <|trey|> RomanK: shadow uses pam... passwd is just text... you can imagine how secure that was back in the day...
[08:29] <|trey|> Can be configured to use MD5, Pam, and something else I can't remember...
[08:29] <|trey|> (Shadow can)
[08:29] <Treenaks> |trey|: pam can use anything you like.. if you want to write a PAM module that prints out the username/password and lets a monkey decide, you can do that
[08:35] <[rapha] > Btw, who has designed the Ubuntu theme/logo/icons?
[08:43] <SigP229> anyone know why the Ubuntu archives have firefox "reverted" to 0.9.3?
[08:43] <SigP229> and if this "reverted" version is still vulnerable to exploits recently patched in firefox 1.10.1?
[08:44] <[rapha] > Does somebody here have Quake 2?
[08:45] <Tux234> Does anybody know where I can find a good direct connect gui
[08:45] <HcE> dcgui-qt
[08:45] <Tux234> I tried that but it won't let me be active as a user
[08:46] <HcE> either set you port above 1023 or run with sudo
[08:46] <Tux234> Plus I don't think it is able to connect to windows supported hubs
[08:46] <Tux234> I can get in but when I try to get  files all I get is a blank screen
[08:46] <HcE> never had any problems with it
[08:47] <HcE> ok
[08:48] <SigP229> anyone know which repository i'd have to add to sources.list in order to get Firefox 1.10.1?
[08:51] <TML> You mean 0.10.1?
[08:51] <phlaegel> you can just download whatever version you want from mozilla.org and run it in your home dir.
[08:51] <SigP229> yeah
[08:52] <HcE> 0.10.1 has a securtiy issue AFAIK
[08:52] <Tux234> bbiab
[08:52] <SigP229> phlaegel: i'd like to install it once for a multi user machine
[08:53] <phin|work> kick ass!
[08:53] <SigP229> HcE: but it's been patched
[08:53] <HcE> ok
[08:53] <phin|work> this wifi card worked right hwen i plugged it in
[08:53] <phin|work> just had to put in the ssid and the wep
[08:53] <phin|work> :)
[08:53] <phlaegel> then put it in /usr/local
[08:54] <lupus_> anyone experience with making deb packages?
[08:56] <SigP229> i'll try /usr/local like you suggest, hopefully desktop integration won't be broken?
[08:58] <[Maze] > phin
[08:58] <phlaegel> oh, I'm sure it will be :-)
[08:59] <SigP229> eh, thought so
[08:59] <phlaegel> without a package, you'd have to make it all work manually.
[09:00] <SigP229> i don't feel that industrious at the moment
[09:00] <SigP229> i'll probably just wait until the package is put up
[09:00] <theantix> lupus_: what do you need to know?
[09:01] <phlaegel> SigP229: 1.0 isn't that far off, I'm sure issues will get resolved around then.
[09:02] <[rapha] > Hmm
[09:02] <SigP229> phlaegel: sounds like a good idea to me
[09:02] <SigP229> thanks all
[09:02] <phin|work> can i use 128bit encryption with web under ubuntu?
[09:02] <lupus_> theantix, where do I put with what options ./connfigure should be ran (--disable-alsa for example)
[09:02] <[rapha] > phin|work: Ask Treenaks, he's doing it.
[09:02] <lupus_> in the debian/scripts of the package
[09:03] <Treenaks> phin|work: set the key in the network tool...
[09:03] <phin|work> ok im gonna try it again
[09:03] <Treenaks> phin|work: the hex code key (the one made of 26 numbers and letters a-f)
[09:03] <theantix> lupus_: you should be able to do taht in debian/rules
[09:04] <theantix> lupus_: I assume you already have a debian/rules right right?
[09:05] <lupus_> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
[09:05] <lupus_> looks like this
[09:06] <lupus_> ah
[09:06] <lupus_> CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info
[09:06] <lupus_> I should add it here?
[09:08] <theantix> yeah, perfect :-)
[09:08] <[rapha] > brb
[09:09] <lupus_> theantix, 
[09:09] <lupus_> what I was wondering is
[09:09] <lupus_> I have a package that can be build with or without gnome-vfs support
[09:10] <lupus_> do I need to make 2 packages
[09:10] <MyKq3> some one knows how can i put the trash bin on my desktop /
[09:10] <lupus_> if I want one with and one without
[09:10] <theantix> lupus_:  if you want each option and they can only be done by compiling, I'm pretty sure that is the only way
[09:11] <lupus_> so I should compile a gnome specific and a gtk only package then :)
[09:11] <theantix> yes, I think that is true if you can only set the options at compile time
[09:12] <lupus_> bleh :)
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Are you guys going to try and get all these great updates to Totem/Gstreamer into the final release of Warty?
[09:14] <theantix> MyKq3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212
[09:16] <spiv> ficusplanet: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000416.html
[09:17] <ficusplanet> Awesome.  Thanks.
[09:17] <spiv> You're welcome :)
[09:19] <MyKq3> theantix,  thanks
[09:19] <theantix> no problem :-)
[09:21] <lupus_> dpkg-source: building drivel using existing drivel_1.2.1.orig.tar.gz
[09:21] <lupus_> gunzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[09:21] <lupus_> dpkg-source: failure: gzip gave error exit status 1
[09:21] <lupus_> does that look familiar to anyone?
[09:22] <carlos> lupus_: how did you got the tar.gz file?
[09:22] <Tux234> Hey I've noticed the rhythmbox doesn't play music from a windows partition
[09:23] <Tux234> I keep getting can't pause file and can't write to file errors
[09:25] <lupus_>       dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../gentoo-0.9.12.tar.gz
[09:25] <lupus_> something like that
[09:26] <carlos> lupus_: then, no idea, sorry
[09:26] <theantix> I am pondering moving my production server from Debian woody to Ubuntu warty after the final release... 
[09:27] <carlos> theantix: I did it already, from Debian SID to Ubuntu Warty
[09:27] <theantix> carlos: a production server running sid?  you're braver (?) than I.
[09:28] <carlos> theantix: I just need lots of things unavailable in Woody
[09:28] <theantix> carlos: ubuntu must be an answer to a dream for you then :-)
[09:30] <carlos> theantix: that's it :-D
[09:31] <theantix> my only concern is that I am using packages not supported in ubuntu main, so if there are security problems it won't automatically upgrade me
[09:33] <lupus_> carlos, It is bz2 
[09:33] <lupus_> but has the gz extension
[09:33] <lupus_> I don't get it
[09:33] <carlos> lupus_: :-O
[09:34] <FLeiXiuS> gz2.gz ?
[09:34] <FLeiXiuS> bz2.gz*
[09:34] <carlos> theantix: yes, that could be a problem, but I'm used to SID so I don't have a problem recompiling packages from SID if it's needed
[09:34] <theantix> carlos: yeah it's not that hard, I know :-)
[09:43] <sirhalstead> Does anyone have tips on how to enable ldap address books in evolution?
[09:43] <Treenaks> Playing 1999/Beth Orton/Central Reservation/05 Beth Orton - Pass In Time.ogg.
[09:43] <Treenaks> wrong channel
[09:47] <aardvark> Space Time Continuum - 2 Pro 1
[09:50] <longsleep> anyone can tell my why my apt seems to download/reinistall linux-* packages on any upgrade?
[09:51] <Kamion> longsleep: because Herbert's been uploading kernels about once a day? :)
[09:53] <longsleep> Kamion, really? i never looked in detail at the version number and now noticed a small -16 ;)
[09:57] <psi> is there an easy way to switch to oss sound drivers?
[10:04] <geosB> Hi is there danish user on this channel?
[10:04] <kankalius> Hello everyone! 
[10:05] <kankalius> Can i ask another newbie question? :-)
[10:07] <kankalius> When i compile a new application from its source and it installs itself, how can i remove this app completely if i dont need it anymore? 
[10:07] <kankalius> Thanks :-)
[10:08] <Kamion> depends very much on how it installed itself; in general, you can't if it didn't build a package
[10:08] <cfactor> If it has an uninstall script, use it, if not, check the install log and remove it by hand.
[10:08] <topyli> you keep the source dir and run 'make uninstall' from the build dir
[10:08] <Kosai> Kamion: What about make uninstall?
[10:08] <Kamion> if you didn't type 'sudo make install', then it's probably still entirely within the source directory tree
[10:08] <Kamion> 'make uninstall' is far from universal
[10:08] <Kamion> I'd venture to say "rare"
[10:08] <topyli> or you build a package like a sane person :)
[10:09] <Kosai> Kamion: Is autoconf rare?
[10:09] <kankalius> ok. Where can i find the install log? Is this inside the source-dir?
[10:09] <kankalius> And how can i build a package?
[10:10] <topyli> kankalius: easiest is to use checkinstall i guess
[10:10] <Kamion> Kosai: uninstall would be automake, not autoconf
[10:10] <Kosai> Oh.  Um.  Yes.  :)
[10:10] <Kamion> some of my packages do seem to have uninstall
[10:10] <Kamion> but I doubt it's ever tested
[10:10] <Kosai> Okay.
[10:11] <kankalius> so i just have to test if make uninstall works :-)
[10:11] <Kosai> I think automake does provide an uninstall target by default, but I imagine you're right that it's rarely used/tested.
[10:11] <topyli> is checkinstall in ubuntu? it seems so but i don't remember where it came from :)
[10:12] <daniels> the other thing to note is that, even if something is automate, if people have hand-written their own install target, to do custom installs, they're unlikely to have written a matching uninstall target
[10:13] <kankalius> How can i make sure to be able to remove an app, especialy how can i make a removable package?
[10:13] <topyli> kankalius: checkinstall
[10:13] <Randomize> I'm at my wits end.  Has anyone here compiled a gstreamer plugin for faad before?  I can't figure out what gst-plugins needs to include faad in what it builds.
[10:14] <kankalius> Ok. Thanks i will try this out. :-)
[10:15] <kankalius> I'm still new to linux, but "Linux in a Nutshell" is just on its way to my postbox :-) 
[10:16] <lupus_> apt-get install nvidia* 
[10:16] <Se7h> how do i see if nfs is running ?
[10:16] <lupus_> for nvidia drivers?
[10:16] <lupus_> or will it not work with this kernel
[10:16] <kankalius> I must say, that ubuntu is by far the best/easiest distribution i came across. I tride most of those big ones (gentoo, SuSE, RedHat, etc).
[10:17] <topyli> kankalius: well, this is a proper debian distro, not some redhat or whatnot :)
[10:17] <kankalius> I hope getting away from M$ very soon ;-)
[10:21] <kankalius> Does anyone know when the "real" final from Warty will come out?
[10:22] <azeem> kankalius: there's a schedule on the wiki
[10:22] <Kosai> There's a schedule.. right.
[10:22] <topyli> tomorrow, according to the release schedule :)
[10:22] <Kosai> No, tomorrow is the release candidate.
[10:22] <cfactor> Se7h: rpcinfo -p and search for nfs.
[10:22] <spiv> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule
[10:22] <Kosai> According to the schedule.  Release is.. 20th, or something.
[10:22] <topyli> ah.
[10:23] <topyli> must have been thinking about the freeze then
[10:23] <spiv> topyli: The freezing started ages ago :)
[10:24] <Kosai> Well, it's a release candidate -- if all goes well, it will be the "real" final.
[10:24] <spiv> topyli: Tomorrow is the release candidate.
[10:24] <topyli> just checked. i'm all wrong :)
[10:24] <topyli> i'm pretty sure there's something in my calendar for tomorrow. perhaps i should check that too =)
[10:25] <kankalius> i just checked this site too. I hope there will be no problems. :-)
[10:27] <topyli> well, it seems to be going all right, my system isn't too broken :)
[10:29] <kankalius> :-)
[10:29] <geosB> can  unbunto install step 1 on  danish and then the last on english 
[10:30] <wm_eddie> OK, I'm installing Ubuntu on my desktop now.
[10:30] <wm_eddie> I can't wait for 4.10
[10:30] <geosB> why update the unbunto 50 -80 MB evry day
[10:30] <wm_eddie> Anybody know if it supports nvidia's ethernet?
[10:31] <Kamion> "Ubuntu", not unbunto
[10:31] <port7> yeah ubuntu
[10:31] <geosB> sorry
[10:31] <Kamion> geosB: probably because we've been uploading like mad to fix bugs :)
[10:32] <geosB> :-) 
[10:32] <kankalius> hmmm.... I hope this wont get so big like those daily Microsoft WinUpdates? *just a joke* :-))
[10:32] <spiv> wm_eddie: Yeah, the "forcedeth" driver is included.
[10:32] <geosB> Whys is there not jave on ubuntu on install
[10:32] <wm_eddie> spiv: Thanks
[10:32] <wm_eddie> I'm going to install now, As long as I have internet I can do anything!
[10:33] <sabdfl> geosB: if you meant java, it is not free
[10:33] <Kamion> wm_eddie: you may have to modprobe it by hand, if you're unlucky
[10:33] <geosB> Knoppix install java and madroaken to
[10:34] <geosB> sorry my bad english 
[10:34] <topyli> geosB: mandrake has no java in its free version. i doubt knoppix can bundle it either
[10:35] <kankalius> I think java will be no problem to install by hand, am i right?
[10:35] <kankalius> When you look at WinXP: there you havt to do this too :-)
[10:35] <geosB> I new on Linux and all is not essy
[10:35] <topyli> get it from sun and follow the instructions. or find debian packages
[10:36] <topyli> java i mean
[10:36] <geosB> I use OS2 nomail
[10:36] <geosB> normal
[10:36] <topyli> os2? cool
[10:36] <geosB> and GEOS
[10:37] <defendguin> im very disappointed at one aspect of ubuntu. i constantly get a hang during the boot process and always at acpid start.  no error output just hangs
[10:37] <kankalius> Os2 is very cool. Just tried the eCom Station some days ago. :-)
[10:37] <defendguin> im not even sure i can file a good bug report because of the lack or an error message
[10:37] <daniels> defendguin: then you've found a bug
[10:37] <geosB> i use eComstartion 1.2
[10:38] <spiv> defendguin: file a bug, and people who know how to debug these things will help you turn on the necessary debugging or whatever is needed to diagnose and fix teh problem.
[10:38] <geosB> eComstation have a to high price
[10:38] <defendguin> ok ill file one :)
[10:38] <Kamion> geosB: there's a "freeknoppix" project, which should be a clue :)
[10:39] <spiv> defendguin: I'm slowly homing in on an acpi bug using that method atm :)
[10:39] <defendguin> spiv, what bug?
[10:40] <spiv> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1922
[10:40] <spiv> It sounds different to yours :)
[10:40] <defendguin> most of the time that is where it will stall at acpid start up but it has hung at other places
[10:40] <topyli> geosB: mmmm. eComstation. i think you'll still find linux a bit more modern :)
[10:41] <geosB> ubunto use Gnome  and that verry good 
[10:42] <azeem> did anybody observe that .doc files are not registered for Ooo by default?
[10:42] <seb128> they are
[10:43] <Riddell> geosB: gnome smells, but some people seem to like the smell :)
[10:44] <topyli> Riddell: yeah well, i personally know people like that :)
[10:44] <defendguin> seb128, you hack on the trashcan applet?
[10:45] <seb128> defendguin: I made some patches, why ?
[10:45] <geosB> ok then i like the smells and not the KDE
[10:45] <defendguin> seb128, it doesnt render some trashcans properly
[10:45] <defendguin> like the one from the gorilla icon set 
[10:47] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[10:47] <defendguin> one second
[10:48] <geosB> is thre a way to get the irc server  to tell who conect from *.net ore *.org
[10:49] <geosB> to ger a fast info about user drom denmark ore se
[10:49] <Kamion> geosB: /whois
[10:49] <mwh_> geosB: davs
[10:51] <geosB> davs Mwh_
[10:51] <rapha> Oh boy
[10:51] <rapha> Life is hard
[10:52] <defendguin> seb128, http://www.cs.uno.edu/~jsunseri/ScreenShots/Screenshot.png  see how it messes up the trashcan?
[10:52] <seb128> oh ok
[10:52] <seb128> this problem has been reported
[10:53] <seb128> the theme is bugged
[10:53] <defendguin> seb128, even on the default gnome trash icon it cuts a little bit off the top and bottom
[10:53] <Randomize> Does anyone have experience with getting gst-plugins to build one of the plugins it doesn't do by default? (Example:  faad, divx, etc?)  It's unclear to me what it needs in place to build one of those.  I'm getting really bummed out, since this is my last roadblock to switching.
[10:54] <Se7h> I'm trying to mount the /usr/ports from bsd on ubuntu
[10:54] <Se7h> but with no success
[10:54] <Se7h> :|
[10:55] <seb128> defendguin: the icon is supposed to be a square with a fixed size
[11:00] <defendguin> seb128, there should be some way to make sure the icons fit properly
[11:02] <defendguin> we fix every single icon theme to make sure it works properly with the trashcan applet but we can do some checking to make sure the applet can work with different shaped icons
[11:02] <defendguin> s/we/we can't
[11:05] <seb128> defendguin: have you an idea on how to do this ?
[11:06] <seb128> defendguin: changing the ratio is not good, dropping a part of the picture neither
[11:06] <defendguin> most icon formats contain their original height and width?
[11:07] <seb128> that's not the problem
[11:07] <seb128> the gorilla one is 50x60
[11:07] <defendguin> well for svg based icons like gorilla it should be easy just scale it
[11:07] <seb128> instead of 48x48
[11:07] <defendguin> right
[11:07] <seb128> that's not a square
[11:07] <seb128> you can't scale it
[11:07] <seb128> you change the ratio
[11:07] <seb128> that's ugly
[11:08] <seb128> worst than dropping a part
[11:08] <pv> that probably won't rule out scaling with a fixed aspect ratio
[11:08] <defendguin> maybe the applet should just have its own icons?
[11:08] <lupus_> has someone the nvidia drivers installed through apt-get
[11:08] <seb128> maybe the theme should have a square icon
[11:08] <defendguin> include several popular trash icons
[11:09] <defendguin> trashcans are not square objects
[11:09] <SamBozo> is there a run from cd version of ubuntu?
[11:09] <azeem> SamBozo: yes, there is a livecd
[11:09] <SamBozo> url please 
[11:09] <SamBozo> want to gemo it at lug meet tonight
[11:09] <seb128> defendguin: icons should be square or you have problems
[11:10] <SamBozo> demo
[11:10] <wm_eddie> Yay it works perfectly!
[11:10] <wm_eddie> except I have no trash applet, but that's prbably since I'm using an existing account
[11:11] <SamBozo> ah got it .. azeem   thanks
[11:12] <azeem> cheers
[11:12] <topyli> wm_eddie: well, you probably don't have the beautiful ubuntu default settings then :)
[11:13] <wm_eddie> topyli: Yeah, but I can work around that.
[11:14] <defendguin> seb128, there must be a better solution
[11:14] <seb128> let me know if you find it :)
[11:14] <SamBozo> humm little slow may not get it done in next 2 hrs .. oh well
[11:16] <Randomize> Has anyone seen a faad2-devel deb in their wandering around the net?
[11:18] <defendguin> seb128, explain to me why it HAS to be a square?
[11:19] <seb128> because if that's not that breaks all the alignments
[11:20] <defendguin> what allignments?
[11:21] <zaxis> hi!
[11:21] <seb128> defendguin: put several icons in a grid, change the size of one and look on the grid :)
[11:21] <wm_eddie> Man, I forgot how I installed mono on Ubuntu...
[11:22] <zaxis> I'm trying to use nautilus-cd-burner to write a CD, but it doesn't work
[11:22] <defendguin> seb128, there is only one icon in the trashcan applet at a time
[11:22] <zaxis> nautilus thinks that the CD is on the recorder is not a writable CD
[11:22] <seb128> defendguin: the icon is the theme one, that's not only used for the applet
[11:23] <zaxis> I chmod +s cdrecord, but that didn't help
[11:23] <zaxis> any idea?
[11:23] <manager> hmmm ... are there no eclipse debs for ubuntu ?
[11:24] <wm_eddie> manager: is there Java?
[11:25] <defendguin> seb128, i must be missing something because it just dont see why it has to be a square
[11:25] <manager> hmmm....ok
[11:25] <zaxis> can anybody help me with nautilus cd burning?
[11:25] <seb128> defendguin: look on the trash applet and tell me how do you fix the icon if that's not a square
[11:26] <defendguin> take the icon and scale it down till height is 2 pixels less than the height of the panel
[11:26] <defendguin> i dont see why it matters what the width of the icon is
[11:27] <wm_eddie> Wait, I know Ubuntu can use mono, I have it on my laptop...
[11:27] <manager> you can use mono with tseng sources
[11:27] <manager> me thinks
[11:28] <seb128> defendguin: the icons is 50x60
[11:29] <defendguin> ...
[11:30] <seb128> either you lost 12 pixels in the verticale direction (current case)
[11:31] <zaxis> what do you use to burn CDs?
[11:31] <seb128> either you change that for to get it in the panel and the icon looks really small because you've shrinked it for a big part
[11:32] <defendguin> seb128, i persoanlly would rather a slightly small but proportional trash icon than on that is cut off
[11:33] <seb128> just try, the result is not good
[11:33] <seb128> the only good way is to have a square icon
[11:33] <seb128> I don't get the problem with making square icons
[11:33] <seb128> most of the themes have 48x48 icons and that's fine
[11:34] <khronic> zaxis, i've yet to try my burner under ubuntu..under redhat I used cdrecord (command line)
[11:35] <zaxis> khronic, ok, I can use the command line... but I'm really interested in a graphical frontend
[11:36] <khronic> not familiar with nautilus..but most GUIs for burning are just front ends for cdrecord
[11:36] <andi84> i think my scsi modul is not loaded correctly, because none of my usb ports is working and my cd burner is not recognized as such, i can only read cds with it but don burn some
[11:36] <andi84> can somebody help me?
[11:39] <zaxis> khronic, yes, I know... but I need a GUI because some of the computer users couldn't burn CDs without it... you know ;)
[11:39] <Randomize> Wewt, gst-launch will play my AAC files now.  Here's the next bold step for mankind ... how do I get Rhythymbox to use 'em? :)
[11:39] <defendguin> ok seb128 i changed the size if the gorilla trash icons. their document size was 40x48
[11:40] <defendguin> now they are 48x48
[11:40] <mdz> zaxis: use the CD writing functionality in Nautilus
[11:41] <khronic> zaxis, point is..use command line to debug/get it to work..then use said knowledge to fix the front end :)
[11:41] <zaxis> mdz, as I said at first, my problem is that I get an error by using nautilus-cd-burner ;)
[11:41] <zaxis> mdz,  nautilus thinks that the CD is on the recorder is not a writable CD
[11:41] <zaxis> I chmod +s cdrecord, but that didn't help
[11:41] <mdz> don't do that
[11:41] <defendguin> seb128, could we pad icons to make them square
[11:42] <defendguin> hmm ill brb
[11:43] <zaxis> mdz, ok, I'll do -s cdrecord again, but... then, which is the problem?
[11:43] <mdz> zaxis: sounds like a hal problem
[11:43] <mdz> or perhaps the drive cannot report this information accurately
[11:44] <entel> !
[11:44] <zaxis> mdz, the drive is a PIONEER DVD-RW 106 unit
[11:44] <entel> alguem daqui fala portugus?
[11:44] <zaxis> mdz, and today I update hal, dbus and some other packages from the ubuntu repository
[11:45] <mdz> zaxis: it works for me
[11:45] <zaxis> mdz, what can I do then, appart of reporting to bugzilla? any simple test that I could do?
[11:46] <mdz> zaxis: report a bug with the output from lshal while you have a blank CD inserted
[11:46] <entel> where is ubuntu linux?
[11:46] <mdz> entel: here
[11:46] <entel> country?
[11:46] <entel> sorry I donot speak english :)
[11:46] <mdz> entel: ubuntu is a global community project with developers in many countries
[11:47] <entel> ahh.. I understand..
[11:47] <mdz> sorry I do not speak portuguese :-)
[11:47] <wm_eddie> And as for the nvidia driver...
[11:47] <entel> do not worry :)
[11:48] <entel> thank you
[11:49] <defendguin> so is that a possible solution? padding icons?
[11:49] <mdz> wm_eddie: if that's a question, the answer is 'yes"
[11:49] <zaxis> mdz, ok, thx
[11:50] <zaxis> I'm going to renew my session
[11:50] <wm_eddie> mdz: yes as in?
[11:50] <wm_eddie> Is it in Universe?
[11:50] <mdz> wm_eddie: it is installed by default
[11:50] <wm_eddie> really?
[11:50] <mdz> would I lie to you?
[11:51] <wm_eddie> 1695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 339.000 FPS
[11:51] <mdz> wm_eddie: installed != enabled
[11:51] <wm_eddie> ahh
[11:51] <mdz> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:52] <wm_eddie> thanks
[11:53] <defendguin> seb128, is that possible?
[11:54] <seb128> that's not the problem, the picture will still be higher than large
[11:54] <seb128> and the result small
[11:54] <seb128> in the middle of the padding
[11:54] <SmokingFire> question: from Gnome's hig guide point of view. What do you think of when hovering the mouse over the menu's Applications and Computer that the menu's should highlight up?
[11:55] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: It's sometimes a good idea.
[11:56] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: But I don't know what the Gnome HIG has to say about that.
[11:56] <wm_eddie> In my opinion it's pretty usefull, It helps finding the cursor, and shows the borders of buttons.
[11:57] <wm_eddie> So in terms of accessability I think it's a plus.
[11:57] <carlos> pitti: does the ibook's microphone work for you ?