defendguinwhat browser movie playin plugins exist for ubuntu?12:00
pitticarlos: oh, I never tried that out12:01
pitticarlos: I did unter sid, though, and it worked there12:01
carlospitti: did you changed anything by hand?12:01
pitticarlos: I will try, just booting the iBook...12:01
defendguinpossibly a totem plugin12:01
carlosMine does not works12:01
pitticarlos: ugh, for sid I had to tweak many things...12:01
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pitticarlos: what happens at your system? it records silence or the device cannot be read from?12:02
carlospitti: the device does not exists12:02
kammehello, I have a couple of questions. first; how to disable that clock sync at startup?12:03
pittikamme: easiest is to remove the package 'ntpdate'12:04
Kosai(If you don't want to do that, you can remove the ntp symlink from /etc/rc.d/rcX.d/.)12:04
kammedone ;)12:04
kammetoo late :p12:04
kammenow, how do you share files tru samba?12:05
kammeI cant get it to work12:05
SmokingFirewmeddie: So would agree with a feature request?12:05
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pitticarlos: I have a control, two pcm and a timer device12:06
pitticarlos: audio recorder does something, but I don't hear anything on playback12:06
pitticarlos: there's no mic in the mixer12:06
carlosso, same problem12:07
wm_eddieSmokingFire: For Ubuntu's main button theme?12:07
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tortoise__grrrrr I want the other firefox back12:07
SmokingFirewmeddie: yes12:07
SmokingFiretalking about highlighting when mouse hovers over Application and Computer menu's12:08
wm_eddieSmokingFire: I guess, but what do you have in mind? Brown highlighting of white?12:08
RandomizeOK.  Pseudo-success.  I now have aac files playing back via gst-launch at the console level.  How do I get Rythymbox to recognize / add aac/m4a files to the library when I add a folder?12:09
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wm_eddie13167 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2633.400 FPS12:09
wm_eddieThat's better.12:09
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SmokingFirewmeddie: it depends on the theme.12:11
wm_eddieSmokingFire: Well, if you use a different theme there's highlighting.12:12
wm_eddieBut the Default Ubuntu one 'human' is brown.12:12
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Se7hoh man12:16
Se7hi screwd it up12:16
SmokingFirewmeddie: I'm using gorilla now and there is no highlighting12:16
Se7hmounted /usr on another partition12:16
Se7hnow i cant do anything12:17
wm_eddieoh I didn't notice.12:17
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wm_eddieHuman already has button highlighting.12:17
Se7hhow can i acess fstab now ?12:17
kammeanother question, I cant play any movie file. How can I fix that?12:17
wm_eddieSe7h: Single user mode12:17
cfactorumount is in /bin, no?12:18
cfactoram I just understanding your problem wrong?12:18
swimhi trying to compile an app and am getting: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH  but I have gcc installed, and g++ (according to synaptic)12:18
wm_eddieswim: can you run gcc?12:19
Se7hseth@devil /usr $ sudo umount /dev/hda112:20
Se7h-bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory12:20
swimwm_eddie, just "gcc" or "sudo gcc" returns command not found12:20
khronicswim, i ran into that the other day..gcc-VersionNumber was available, but the ./configure script was looking for 'gcc'..so symlinking gcc to the version solved that problem12:20
kammeSe7h, download something like tomsrtbt and chroot12:20
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swimkhronic, ok great thank you12:20
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cfactoryou can just su, unless you haven't set the root password yet.12:21
Se7hkamme what is that?12:21
swimkhronic, where is gcc-version located? in /usr/bin ?12:21
swimcfactor, I havent no, I forget how to do so12:21
khronicYeah, /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 (for me)12:22
cfactorswim: I was responding to Se7h, but you can do "sudo passwd root"12:22
khronicln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc12:22
swimoh ok thanks cfactor12:22
kammeSe7h, a one floppy linux12:22
kammeI think it has chroot on it12:23
SmokingFirewmeddie: well the button highlighting has also room for improvement as I hardly see anything. 12:23
Se7hlike floppix12:23
kammeyou can use that to fix it12:23
swimthanks khronic, oh btw should I do most things like that with root "sudo" ?12:23
cfactorkamme: but that'd require a reboot anyways, right?12:23
kammepossebly, I don't know floppix ;)12:23
kammecfactor, well, yes12:23
SmokingFirethe icon of the button gets lighter but I think the area background should also change colors.12:23
cfactorso why not just boot single user mode?12:23
kammeok, you explain him to do that then12:24
wm_eddieSmokingFire: I guess you could ask12:24
kamme+how somewhere12:24
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khronicswim, that particular command would require root privs, so yes.12:24
SmokingFirewm_eddie:how is that area called btw?12:24
cfactorSe7h: well first of all, have you set the root password yet?12:24
wm_eddieAwesome, Doom 3 works :) OK, I'm pretty much done configuring this.12:25
wm_eddieSmokingFire: The "Button"12:25
Se7hcfactor no12:25
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Kamioncfactor: you don't need to set the root password to boot single-user12:25
Kamioncfactor: if the root account is disabled, single-user will let you straight in12:25
Kamion(since you had physical access anyway and could just have done init=/bin/sh)12:25
cfactorKamion: well, I was seeing if he can just su and umount w/o rebooting.12:26
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cfactorhow did this happen anyway?12:27
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cfactorSe7h: just reboot into single user mode.12:27
FLeiXiuSI would set the root's pw then sudo -s 12:27
Se7hbut do i have to set root pass?12:28
FLeiXiuSthen do your mount tables accordingly12:28
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FLeiXiuSSe7h, you can sudo without setting the pw12:28
FLeiXiuSits best if you do12:28
FLeiXiuSfor security concerns12:28
cfactorFLeiXiuS: he can't do sudo, since it's in /usr/bin.12:28
Se7hoh ok12:29
sivangcan anybody tell me how to enable logging in IRSSI ?12:29
Se7hi realt dodn't want to set a root pass12:29
cfactorSe7h: why not?12:29
Se7hsecurity reasons12:30
kammeyou should, especially when you come on IRC12:30
Se7hon irc?12:30
Kamionkamme: dude, irrelevant :)12:30
Se7hi'm here with a user12:30
Se7hdidn't get the point12:30
cfactordoes ubuntu just disable root password, or have it set to something random at install?12:31
Kamioncfactor: disable12:31
Kamionrandom would be daft12:31
kammeI know, but still12:31
SmokingFirecan't you do it from Computer-->System Configuration -->User Managment: show all accounts?12:31
swimIm getting this error trying to compile an app, what am I lacking? checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool12:31
cfactorYou're missing the perl XML::Parser module.12:32
swimoh thank you :)12:32
cfactorI couldn't help you, since I'm not in front of my ubuntu machine.12:33
swimno problem thanks anyways :)12:33
cfactorbut you could also just use cpan.12:34
swimman ubuntu has got to be the best experience Ive had with a non-official distro yet... especially for x86_64 !12:34
Se7hwell then kamme, so i don't have to set a root pass to chroot12:34
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cfactorI don't have any x86_64, but my install failed the first three times.12:35
swimwow not nice12:35
kammeSe7h, nope12:35
Se7hnope ?12:36
Se7hdo i have to ?12:36
kammeno, you don't12:36
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Se7hah ok12:36
Se7hi remembered12:36
Se7hi can boot gentoo livecd12:36
kammefor example :)12:36
Se7hok then12:36
kammethen you can chroot12:36
kammeif someone else has a suggestion without a reboot, use that12:37
cfactorand then all glibc dependencies go nuts!12:37
Se7hi would apreciate it..12:37
SmokingFirewhat's the problem about kamme?12:38
kammeSmokingFire, he messed up his fstab12:38
kammehe moonted his /usr on some other partition12:39
SmokingFireI uses chroot and the loop device to succesfully install Yoper (linux dist) from Ubuntu some weeks ago.12:39
SmokingFireah yeah I remember.12:39
lupus_anyone with nvidia drivers present?12:40
SmokingFireEasiest thing to do is to download daily build and reinstall and keep his home dir and all his settings will be still there.12:40
SmokingFireyup me12:40
lupus_SmokingFire, how do you get the nvidia driver loaded at boot?12:40
swimkhronic, did you happen to get this error as well? configure: error: unable to find the GTK+ library12:41
SmokingFireI just use the package from synaptic (which is up to date I think) and insert the command the package description tells about12:41
SmokingFirebut I read you can also enter something in /etc/modules12:42
SmokingFirewill check hold on12:42
lupus_I think the problem is with modprobe12:42
SmokingFireenter this in the terminal: sudo gedit /etc/modules12:42
lupus_look in /etc/modprobe.d/12:43
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SmokingFireand enter the word nvidia12:43
SmokingFirelast line in my case12:43
lupus_take a look in /etc/modprobe.d/ plz12:43
SmokingFiredid you install the linux restricted package?12:44
SmokingFire nvidia-kernel-nkc12:44
lupus_I used apt-get install nvidia*12:44
SmokingFiredid you upgrade your kernel?12:44
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cfactorwhat are the linux-restricted packages for anyway?12:44
smeggyOoer. Gnome 2.8.1 :)12:44
lupus_idd SmokingFire that file should make modprobe load the driver12:45
lupus_if I'm not mistaking12:45
cfactortrying to remove the nvidia said it'll be removed as well.12:45
lupus_so I wonder why it doesn't12:45
SmokingFirewell I noticed that if I upgraded my kernel from 386 compiled to linix-k7 in my case and didn't also install the restricted module it wouldn;t work12:45
SmokingFireDid you issue this command after installing the driver: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?12:46
SmokingFire"sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"12:46
SmokingFireand in /etc/modules is nvidia in there?12:47
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lupus_I think loading of the module should work out of the box12:49
SmokingFirewell they can't do it12:49
SmokingFireas its a binary driver12:50
SmokingFirebut if you after a fresh install get the nividia driver and then do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable in the terminal it should work.12:50
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lupus_with out of the box I mean after apt-get install the package12:52
lupus_not on install of the distro itself12:52
SmokingFirewell in my case that was not a problem12:52
lupus_maybe a bad choice of words :)12:52
mdzlupus_: "on the edge of the box"12:53
SmokingFirehowever when I did a kernel update things got a bit more complicated.12:53
SmokingFireHowever the Yoper distro offers out of the box nvidia support.12:53
SmokingFirebut's its kde based and a bit messy.12:54
lupus_who has rights on the wiki pages?12:54
SmokingFireubuntu is nice and clean12:54
lupus_http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto has a big error12:54
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mdzlupus_: everyone does, all you have to do is login12:54
mdzlupus_: what is the error?12:54
lupus_Disable GLCore. Also, the modules glx and dri should be enabled12:55
mdzlupus_: those are just notes from people who have tested it, and they predate the script12:56
lupus_but I will login :)12:56
mdzlupus_: the only part you need to pay attention to are the enumerated steps12:56
lupus_and edit it12:56
mdzeverything under "Notes" should probably be tossed12:56
SmokingFirehow do you login in the wiki?12:57
mdzSmokingFire: instructions are at the top of the front page12:58
mdzin italics :-)12:58
SmokingFiremdz: I disagree most of it can be tosses but it should have something that I found. E.g. if doing a kernel upgrade also download the restricted module package and everything will work.12:58
mdzSmokingFire: that's not necessary for new installs12:58
mdzor if you follow the UpgradeNotes12:58
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SmokingFirewell in my case it wouldn't boot into x until it had that package installed.01:01
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SmokingFirebut it could also be possible because at that time I used the drivers from the nvidia site.01:01
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CoconutPetehow can i enable my pci vidcard instead of using the onboard?01:02
SmokingFireCoco: Isn't that a bios option?01:05
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CoconutPeteit was originally set on pci, but when it'd boot to the os nothing was displayed on the monitor, so i switched to onboard in the bios to get a display01:06
jsubl2anybody around knowledgeable about the amd64 port01:06
SmokingFireCoco: I remember when I had an dell with onboard and a voodoo PCI. But at that time I was using mandrake.01:08
CoconutPeteyea i remember not having a problem switching when i used mandrake before, yet i dont really remember how i got it done01:08
goatboyjsubl2: depends on your next question. :)01:09
jsubl2no cdrdao available.  and i can not get it to build01:10
jsubl2k3b requires cdrdao01:10
SmokingFireI installed with the onboard but at the x conf of the installer it should me ximera (or somethin like that) and I disable the onboard and choose my voodoo. Then had to change the bios and monitor input adapter and it would use my voodoo.01:10
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CoconutPetei'll try a reboot, brb01:12
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jsubl2goatboy  no idea01:14
goatboyjsubl2: this is strongly discouraged, but if you want to try your luck you can try the debian-amd64 package.01:14
jsubl2goatboy, yeah I would have preferred to build it.  maybe i will file a bug01:15
tckfor setting ur PATH in ubuntu its .bash_profile ?01:18
jsubl2goatboy, kinda of funny in the debian-amd64 channel they refer folks occasionally to ubuntu package01:19
robertjjust had my ppc setup rolling and then...logic board :(01:21
lupus_I found why it doesn't work :)01:22
lupus_autoloading the nvidia driver :D01:23
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tckis there a way to set adjustments to .bash_profile without restarting X ?01:23
SmokingFirelupus_ why?01:25
RandomizeOK, so ... apparenty running rhythmbox from the console with the -d parameter per this post is ... inadvisable. :)01:25
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lupus_I think because of udev01:25
lupus_crw-rw----    1 root     video    195,   0 Oct 13 01:22 nvidia001:26
lupus_crw-rw----    1 root     video    195, 255 Oct 13 01:22 nvidiactl01:26
swimwhat package has: libgnomeui-2.0.p ?01:26
SmokingFirewhats a good tool to rip audio cd's? Sound juicer doesn't allow me to enable to personal settings.01:26
swimSmokingFire, grip01:27
SmokingFirelupus_ what hardware are you using? Just asking01:27
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RandomizeNewbie question:  How do I tile windows on a gnome desktop?01:27
SmokingFirethats a good one01:28
lupus_    * Debian users do not have a local.start file, but can add devices not created with /etc/udev/links.conf . So if using Debian, add to links.conf:01:28
lupus_      M nvidia0 c 195 001:28
lupus_      M nvidia1 c 195 101:28
lupus_      M nvidiactl c 195 25501:28
lupus_many lines again01:28
SmokingFirelupus_ just the hardware 01:28
lupus_geforce3 ti500 on amd xp01:29
SmokingFirelike intel PIV on via something01:29
lupus_via kt60001:29
SmokingFirewhat chipset?01:29
SmokingFireI'm using geforece 4 mx on nforce 2 ultra01:29
SmokingFirewith amd xp01:29
SmokingFireshould be basically the same01:30
SmokingFireso whats in your /etc/modules now?01:30
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lupus_the problem is because of udev01:31
lupus_it goes like this01:31
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SmokingFirenow add the line nvidia to your /etc/modules file01:32
SmokingFire how do you see the rights of drivers like you printed?01:32
SmokingFirethen I can show you mine01:32
lupus_ls -l /dev | grep 19501:33
robert38trying to install limewire. Says VM must be installed. How.01:33
SmokingFireprints out the same as you:01:34
SmokingFirecrw-rw----    1 root     video    195,   0 Oct 12 21:52 nvidia001:34
SmokingFirecrw-rw----    1 root     video    195, 255 Oct 12 21:52 nvidiactl01:34
SmokingFirebut it works01:34
SmokingFireso its not that01:34
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SmokingFirejust add to /etc/modules and make sure your xconfig is using nvidia and not nv01:35
lupus_is your nvidia driver loades?01:36
SmokingFireevery time I boot up and gdm loads I see the nvidia logo01:37
SmokingFireit's real easy actually. As on my computer apt get nvdia and then sudo nvidia-install enable just works.01:37
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WW_Anyone know what port a webmail server (OWA) would use?01:39
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WW_(Does that question even make sense?  I don't know much about how webmail works.)01:40
SmokingFireisn't just port 80?01:42
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SmokingFirelike http as webmail is just http right?01:42
robert38Need to know how to Java virtual machine. Any help.01:42
swimcan anyone help here, trying to "make" an app: http://pastebin.com/10977001:43
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wm_eddierobert38: what do you mean how to Java VM?01:44
robert38Im trying to install LimeWire. Wont install tells me I need JAVA virtual machine installed first. Not sure what it is it wants.01:44
wm_eddiecheck that out, and add the java section to your /etc/apt/sources.list01:45
wm_eddieand install it.01:45
WW_SmokingFire: I did some googling, and yes, it appear to be 80 (or 443 for https)01:46
SmokingFirelupus_ look at the is thread at the user mailinglist of ubuntu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005521.html its really like your problem. Read the whole thread btw.01:48
managerrobert38, or you could follow this "tutorial" -> http://frassle.rura.org/Directory/index?feed=80601:48
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knewtcould someone please explain why firefox has been downgraded to 0.9.3? and please tell me there's a source.list line i can use to get it back, as several of my installed extensions won't work on the earlier version01:48
tckanyone download the jre 1.4 ?01:49
tckjava 01:49
robert38I'll try both.01:49
tcktheres a page up about it on the FAQ i think01:49
WW_knewt: From what I've heard here (and you could also probably find information on the mailing list), there were bugs that caused Firefox to crash.  Sorry, can't help you with the second part of your question.01:51
lupus_how can I see the version of an installed package?01:51
Kamionlupus_: dpkg -l package-name01:51
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jazzkawhat tools has ubuntu to open rar files?01:53
SmokingFireArchive Manager?01:54
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LinuxJonesjazzka, you need unrar. >> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar01:56
jazzkaI get errors when trying "apt-get install unrar"01:57
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jazzkaPackage unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.01:57
jazzkaThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or01:57
jazzkais only available from another source01:57
knewthmm, wierd. firefox "claimed" that the extensions/themes don't work with the downgraded version, but re-enabling them works :/01:57
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tckjazzka, http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unrar/unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb01:58
WW_jazzka: I haven't tried it, but the package unrar-nonfree is available in multiverse01:58
jazzkatck, where do I put that package?01:59
tckwget it then install it with 'dpkg -i unrar etc..01:59
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tckanyone tried any good P2P that works well with ubuntu02:01
tckany recommendations ?02:01
jazzkamldonkey is a good one02:02
tckmldonkey ?02:02
wm_eddieI heard eDonkey is bigger than Kazaa02:02
_1haendertck, #mldonkey02:02
CoconutPeteanyone know how to enable a pci vidcard instead of onboard?  going through the bios does not work02:03
tck cheers, are there any as .debs ?02:03
lupus_CoconutPete, boot from pci did not help?02:03
LinuxJonestck, Apollon is very good. It's a KDE app but will work in Gnome I would imaging.02:03
knewti'd recommend going for one of the *mule clients (amule and xmule are in ubuntu), as they're much nicer to the network than mldonkey is02:04
_1haendertck, there are, but there are reported "difficulties", however you can always and easily build from source02:04
wm_eddietck: uh apt-get install mldonkey?02:04
CoconutPetewhen i booted with pci selected, the monitor just displayed black02:04
tckwm_eddie, didn't work for us :/02:04
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CoconutPeteit shows up in the device manager though02:04
_1haenderpackages are named mldonkey-server and mldonkey-gui 02:04
_1haendernot sure about -gui, might be -client instead02:05
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WW_"apt-cache search donkey" shows mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server02:05
tckah :) i see mldonkey can handle torrents too02:05
tck_1haender, thx02:06
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defendguindoes ubuntu have a gui for adding a smb share?02:08
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Keybukdefendguin: a local one?  or do you want an icon to get at a remote smb share?02:08
Phr0stByteCan any1 tell me what I need to do to ebable SCSI emulation for my berner?02:09
SmokingFirefrom nautulis File-->Connect to share and then choose windows share02:09
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defendguini want to share a directory02:10
Keybukdefendguin: there is no GUI for samba.  You need to edit the config file yourself02:10
defendguinoh well02:10
Keybukit was way out of scope for warty; I'd like to see one in future though -- probably just through a "Sharing" tab in nautilus02:11
tckok, i have one cd-r ; whats the best for burning data to it ?02:11
KeybukI think I remember seeing much activity upstream02:11
tcki dont want to meess it up :))02:11
defendguinKeybuk, i expect the rendevouz howl deal to be in the next release02:12
defendguindoesnt help much with windows shares though02:12
Keybukdefendguin: yeah, and windows stuff should hook into that02:12
SmokingFireKeybuk: I hope it will not be like in windows were everything is shared by default.02:12
KeybukSmokingFire: samba isn't even installed by default02:12
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defendguinSmokingFire, you just share a directory02:13
SmokingFireWell just that I don't want to share anything until explicitly say so and only that directory.02:14
GOwinhow do i configure a modem i just added to my ubuntu box? this isn't like PNP in windows02:14
Phr0stByteCan any1 tell me what I need to do to ebable SCSI emulation for my burner?02:15
defendguinPhr0stByte, you shouldnt need to do that02:15
defendguinyour using a 2.6 kernel right?02:16
defendguinwell you dont need scsi emulation to burn02:16
Phr0stBytedefendguin: cdrecord says I do02:16
defendguincdrecord is wrong02:17
defendguincdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom02:17
Phr0stBytecan I pm you the output?02:17
defendguinsure go ahead02:17
SmokingFiredoes the linux kernel do anything to optimize the IO of an IDE HD like the controller does of a scsi drive?02:17
defendguinPhr0stByte, why are you using commandline anyway?02:18
KamionPhr0stByte: cdrecord is obsessed with SCSI, it's not necessary02:18
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Se7him trying to copy /usr02:23
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Se7hbut i dont seem to get the right flags on cp02:23
housetierwhich problem are you trying to solve?02:23
geek_punk0cp -rf ??02:24
SmokingFireSe7H: you can't format and save your self much time and effort? Just same the home partition.02:25
SmokingFiresame = save --> use the same home partition02:25
Se7h"use" ?02:26
SmokingFireIf you have broadband its no big deal02:26
Se7hwhere is that?02:26
SmokingFireWhen installing ubuntu you can tell it to use an seperate partition for home like you have done now for /usr.02:27
SmokingFirehowever in home all user settings are saved so when reinstalling everything will be like it was.02:27
Se7hprobably i'll just do that02:28
SmokingFireeven stuff like browser settings and email settings and any other applications02:28
Se7hcp /home ?02:28
SmokingFirehmm, well don't know if you are using a seperate partition for home at this moment02:29
SmokingFiremaybe someone here can tell you and me how to check for that.02:29
Se7has a metter a fact i am02:29
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SmokingFireif you are then it should be ok but if like me after the install you will see some icons without icons, then don't worry just do an update02:30
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SmokingFiremake sure that at the partition stage of the installer that you select the home partition that you are using now and enter: Do nothing and mount point = /home02:31
SmokingFireAlso I recommoned formating the swap partition as that much faster then checking it for errors as the installer does now if you  don't format it.02:32
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tckyou know the way gnome handles folder, i've been looking thru the config editor and can't seem to locate the options02:33
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tckfor example, refreshing the folder or simple, back and forward options for browsing02:33
SmokingFireand how old is the iso that you use now? if more then a week or two then I reccomend downloading the daily build then doing update during installation.02:34
SmokingFiretck: this isn't a gnome api question?02:35
tcksay u create a folder on the desktop02:35
tckthen click into it and create other folders, annonyances like opens in a new folder and you can't press back etc..02:35
mdztck: this is in the FAQ02:35
mdzthe one in the topic02:35
tckthx mdz02:35
tck*mental note* read faq first :)02:36
tvon /topic02:36
Se7hinstall ubuntu all over02:37
SmokingFireooh you mean just nautilus settings02:37
Se7hwith my /home partition02:37
GOwinwhat do i need to do to create a dialin to share my box's internet connection remotely?02:38
SmokingFireI think its faster then messing 02:38
SmokingFireIt perhaps takes an hour to reinstall ubuntu and many hours to get your /usr at the right place.02:39
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tvonAnyone know why firefox was downgraded recently?02:40
Se7hSmokingFire just one thing02:41
Se7hat partition stage02:41
SmokingFiregnome should have a startup wizzard asking if you want spatial browsing or browser like file managment02:41
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Se7hhow do i define a mount point for the /home partition ?02:42
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steveodanyone tried out the doom3 demo in ubuntu02:42
SmokingFiretvon: but many people don't I had spatial on my amiga 1200 and I hated it.02:42
tvonSmokingFire: yes, a lot of people don't like it02:42
SmokingFireSe7h let me thing and remember02:42
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steveodi don't think the amiga 1200 remembered where you left the window though02:43
Se7hi aske this02:43
SmokingFireSe7h are you installing now?02:43
jimisorry, was the audigy problem discussed somewhere? or did someone managed to make this soundcard work under ubuntu?02:43
Se7hbecause when i reinstaled ubuntu once02:43
Se7hi couldn't use the partitions i had02:43
Se7hSmokingFire no02:43
Se7hi uzse ubuntu for primary OS02:43
SmokingFireyou did choose manually partition?02:43
Se7hio dont like automatic stuff02:44
SmokingFirebefore you continue do you have a back up of your important files?02:44
jimihehe i too use ubuntu for primary (and my sister too)02:44
jimitoo bad i dont have sound :/02:44
Se7hthat i do02:44
Se7hbut since its possible02:45
SmokingFiresteveod: You could use the snapshot option in Amiga OS 3,002:45
Se7hi would like to mantain my /home dir02:45
SmokingFireSe7h: Just to be sure02:45
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Kamiontvon: too many bugs in 1.0PR1 for us to consider it supportable; see the mailing lists and Bugzilla02:45
steveodSmokingFire; true, i have mine with 3.9 but i rarely turn it on anymore02:45
SmokingFireOk choose manually partition then create or re-use the partitions you have02:46
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tvonKamion: aight, thanks02:46
SmokingFireyou need a partition for / and /home and swap02:46
SmokingFireso if you have already three partitions thats great02:47
jimiKamion : are there hardware support related problems in bugzilla?02:47
SmokingFireor do you already all know all this stuff?02:47
swimhi, Ive got a printer connected to a router, and want to add it to my printers, so I suppose I go to Computer-> System Configuration->Printers, then add a printer, then network printer then CUPS right? but what do I put in URI ?02:47
Kamionjimi: yes02:47
SmokingFiresteveod: me neither but now and then I use an amiga emulator.02:48
Kamionjimi: depends on your hardware02:48
jimibad news : i dont see audigy problem, yet mine doesnt work T_T02:48
SmokingFireThere is even a site to download amiga software for free and legal.02:48
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steveodSmokingFire; my floppy died, and I am too cheap to buy a new one, so little use, just waiting for new version of pirates now02:48
seth_se7h here02:48
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seth_<SmokingFire> Ok choose manually partition then create or re-use the partitions you have02:49
seth_<Se7h> but thats my point02:49
seth_<Se7h> how do i re-use it02:49
seth_<Se7h> the /home in this case02:49
seth_<Se7h> when the partition stage comes02:49
seth_<Se7h> it shows up all partitionsd02:49
seth_<Se7h> but with no mount points02:49
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SmokingFiresteveod: Ulitmate Amiga Emulator works great02:49
SmokingFireseth it does02:49
jazzkado anyone know how to burn a file + cue into a cd throw the command line?02:49
seth_uh? it does?02:49
seth_does what?02:49
SmokingFireok, it hard for me to remember as I do it with out thinking02:50
bob2jazzka: use cdrdao.02:50
SmokingFireallows you to set mount points02:50
seth_i guess so02:50
seth_but last time02:50
jimiill try with custom kernel02:50
SmokingFireok you select your partition on which you want to work in the installer02:50
seth_i couldn't find where to define the mount point for each of the partitions02:51
SmokingFirethen there should be an option 02:51
seth_instead of this02:52
SmokingFireShit when this is done I will install ubuntu in vmware and take screen shots for the wiki02:52
seth_i can just copy the whole /home elsewhere02:52
seth_anda then put it back02:52
swimanybody? hi, Ive got a printer connected to a router, and want to add it to my printers, so I suppose I go to Computer-> System Configuration->Printers, then add a printer, then network printer then CUPS right? but what do I put in URI ?02:52
zenwhenhas anyone set up a 6800 series Nvidia card in Ubuntu?02:52
SmokingFireseth_ well if you don;t mind loosing the settings then go ahead02:53
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steveodswim; with mine it is the ip and then L102:53
seth_wont it work ?02:53
SmokingFirethe user settings are saved in hidden files02:53
bob2SmokingFire: screenshots of plain ubuntu running in vmware?02:53
seth_yeah i know02:53
seth_i would copy the hidden files to02:54
SmokingFirebob2: yes or virtual pc02:54
steveodswim; can you print to it via something else? if so what are those settings02:54
bob2SmokingFire: there's plenty of screenshots on there already...02:54
swimsteveod, I just set it up on a windows printer, and i used the ip alone, and yes I can print with that02:54
SmokingFirePersonally I tried copying the settings files but it didn't work out for me.02:54
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SmokingFirebob2:Any on installation?02:55
steveodswim; what kind of router is it?02:55
bob2SmokingFire: ?02:55
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swimsteveod,  its a belkin wireless02:55
SmokingFirebob2: Installing ubuntu02:55
swimthough Im not connected wirelessly02:55
SmokingFirelike seth_ has now02:55
zenwhenhas anyone set up a 6800 series Nvidia card in Ubuntu?02:55
seth_SmokingFire  hmmm, does /home contain symlinks ?02:55
steveodswim; i wasn't questioning whether it worked just wanted to know if you had an example to copy or something02:55
SmokingFirezenwhen: it should be different from any other nvidia card?02:56
steveodswim; anyways on mine i have it set to network printer - unix lpd with the host as the ip and then the queue name02:56
seth_why the hell my nickname wont drop ?02:57
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ForsaKen`i have opened an israeli apt-get mirror, who should i mail/msg, so it will be added to the site? http://ubuntu.sam-hosting.co.il/02:57
ForsaKen`100MBiT mirror02:57
zenwhenSmokingFire, no matter how I configure my xorg.conf I am told that no devices exist.02:58
zenwhenI have no issues with any other distro.02:58
seth_zenwhen use xf8602:58
seth_"does it better"02:58
zenwhenI mean xfree02:58
mdzForsaKen`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive02:59
seth_SmokingFire  hmmm, does /home contain symlinks ?02:59
mdzForsaKen`: you can add yourself to the list, please email the address there to provide contact information02:59
zenwhenI really want to switch to Ubuntu tonight02:59
SmokingFireseth_ I'm sorry but I can't remember of head but at a certain point in manual partition you set the mount point in a drop down list, some options are "/", "root", "/home", "/usr" and "/var" It's also when you choose for the filesystem type {ext2,ext3,reister,jfs] 02:59
ForsaKen`oh i see ok thanks02:59
mdzzenwhen: you might need the proprietary driver02:59
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SmokingFirezenwhen:ubuntu still uses xfree8603:00
seth_i know that drop down menu03:00
seth_but it only appears on "new" partitions03:00
seth_at least i only saw it that time03:00
SmokingFireno, it should appear on all paritions03:00
Hmmmmm_SmokingFire, has debian unstable moved to X.org yet?03:01
jimifor a sound card, what else than lspci to list the device and modprobe *module* should i check?03:01
SmokingFireThe ubunutu I'm using now I re-used my home partition03:01
steveodswim; does that work?03:01
SmokingFireHmmmmmm_ they may but ubuntu hasn't03:01
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SmokingFireSome techincal issues moving to x.org03:02
swimsteveod, havent tried yet :) I will in a sec03:02
SmokingFirex.org might/will be default server in the next version.03:02
steveodi look forward to the move to x.org, the drop shadows and fade in/out looked very nice when i was using archlinux03:02
steveoda little flaky, but very promising03:02
SmokingFireI think x does to much03:03
Hmmmmm_can one apt-get x.org?03:03
steveodjimi; can you do alsaconf?03:03
SmokingFirex should be pure graphics. input should be another server03:03
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SmokingFiregstreamer looks like the media server on beos actually.03:04
theantixHmmmmm_: when I checked a few days ago, even debian experimental didn't have xorg packages03:04
steveodspeaking of x, doom3 keeps killing my x03:04
jimicommand not found :/03:04
jimii mist apt somrthing i guess03:04
steveodjimi; i wasn't sure with ubuntu, mine setup automatically so i never worried, i have used that though on other distros03:05
SmokingFireif you add documents formats to gstreamer like pdf, word2000, openoffice and others, things would be better.03:05
SmokingFireseth_ sorry I could not help you more03:05
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steveodjimi; what kind of sound card03:05
SmokingFireseth_: but I only have the virtual machines (vmware, virtual pc) for Windows.03:06
RandomizeMy god, gst-plugins is compiling the faad plugin without errors.  I must have done something wrong! :)03:06
steveodjimi; doesn't the audigy just use the emu10k1 driver?03:07
jimior at least, it should03:07
jimisnd-emu10k1 is loaded03:07
jimibut no /dev/* things03:07
steveoddo modprobe snd-pcm-oss03:08
steveodif you haven't03:08
jimihum, not better03:08
steveodwhat does alsamixer give you? just errors?03:09
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jimiwow alsamixer seems to work03:09
jimibut gnome keeps shouting pc speaker beeps03:10
steveodjimi; you can mute the pc speaker somewhere in the mixer03:10
jimibut what is the mixer in ubuntu menu?03:11
jimithis one is not working03:11
steveodwell i would try logging out and then back in or maybe restarting the esd daemon, snd-pcm-oss is usually in charge of the mixer emulation and such so maybe it wasn't loaded completely and gnome is unaware of it right now03:12
steveodjimi; hope it works, later03:12
SmokingFireWhen will there be mouse short cuts like there are keyboards short cuts?03:13
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wm_eddiedircolors: `/etc/DIR_COLORS': No such file or directory03:17
wm_eddieI'm getting that error every time I start gnome-terminal.  Anyone know how to get Gnome-terminal to stop trying to open that file?03:17
tvonwm_eddie: do you have bashrc's (or whatever shell you are using) from before Ubuntu?03:18
wm_eddietvon: yes.03:18
wm_eddieeval `dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS`03:19
wm_eddiefound it.03:19
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wm_eddieso, should I comment that line?03:19
wm_eddiewell that worked.03:19
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tvonwm_eddie: yeah, get rid of that.  There is no dircolors command in the default .bashrc03:21
seth_well then03:21
ficusplanetIs there anyway to remove the "About Ubuntu..." and/or "Help" launchers?03:21
seth_lets hope it works03:21
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swimtrying to play a game (planeshift) and am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/10978203:27
swimcouuld anyone assist?03:27
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Kosaiswim: It asks you to use the -verbose option.03:31
merriamthat's not an ubuntu package, right?03:31
swimmerriam, no I got it from planeshift website03:31
swimKosai, that gives the same results03:32
KosaiI suggest that you aren't properly linked to glut.  But your question is off-topic here.03:32
merriamyou're probably better off asking somwhere related to planeshift rather than ubuntu03:32
swimyou know I was wondering though, if this was compiled for 32 bit, and Im running ubuntu x86_64 it would work would it?03:32
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RandomizeOK, anyone have time for a Rhythmbox question?  I have successfully compiled the faad plugin for gstreamer, registered it, and proven it works by playing a file with gst-launch at the console.  My understanding was that Rhythymbox 0.8.4 and higher are supposed to dynamically support the audio/x-m4a datatype if the faad plugin is present and registered, but I still can't add m4a files to the library.  Is there anything about the way gstreame03:38
Randomizer 0.8.5 is packaged into ubuntu that could be causing this?03:38
RandomizeGah, that was longer than I thought, sorry.03:38
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Pete-Gasanyone know of a repository with ncpfs?03:40
pedro_gpendrive question - can i have it mount with the label name rather than the device name?03:41
jameshpedro_g: I don't think pmount supports that yet (pmount is the mount policy daemon for ubuntu)03:42
tckhave anyone gotten java to run ?03:43
pedro_gk thnx will check that out - so ubuntu is not using udev?03:43
tcki downloaded the jre 1.4v.03:43
tcki get tux@pluto /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/bin $ ./java03:44
tckError occurred during initialization of VM03:44
tckjava/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object03:44
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jameshpedro_g: it is using udev and hal03:44
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jameshpedro_g: udev is just one part of the solution.03:44
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pedro_gjamesh: oi i've been using the gui config tools for too long.  udev isn't linked in my /etc/rc5.d/  how is the udev daemon started?03:46
Kamion5 is not the default runlevel anyway03:47
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pedro_gthought 5 was X and multiple user?  guess it's 2?03:48
aitrushave there really been at least 49 updates released since last nite?03:49
Kamionpedro_g: that's Red Hat and derived distributions03:49
Kamionpedro_g: Debian has always had 2, 3, 4, 5 identical, sysadmin gets to customise03:50
Kamionaitrus: wouldn't surprise me03:50
Kamionaitrus: we got a lot of GNOME 2.8.1 uploads today03:50
pedro_gkamion: thnx inittab says 2 - is it best to do the links myself or is there a standard config tool?03:50
aitrusKamion: thanks... i just applied about 100 last nite and wondered if maybe i was goofing with something03:51
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Kamionpedro_g: there should already be a startup link in /etc/rcS.d/03:53
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Kamionaitrus: should slow right down from now on03:54
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aitrusKamion: is that cause the full release is about done and out?03:55
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Kamionaitrus: working on the release candidate now03:59
deweyok I am confussed on how sudo works.03:59
deweywhat command to get as sudo?04:00
Kamion'sudo <whatever command you want to execute as root>'04:00
aitrusdewey: say: sudo commandToRunAsRoot04:00
aitrus(in a console/terminal)04:00
pedro_gic - so rcS.d scripts are executed first and then rc2.d scripts 04:01
deweyhmmm I need to find out if parport is installed my printer does not work?04:02
aitrusdewey: lsmod | grep paraport04:03
pedro_gdewey: lsmod will show the modules installed in the.... 04:03
pedro_get voila04:03
Kamionpedro_g: right04:03
deweyparport_pc  so it seems to be installed.04:05
deweyok printer is now working printing a mozilla page :)04:07
hazmatanybody have any ideas on how to print to a cups shared printed attached to a mac from linux?04:11
GOwinanyone here using egroupware? i can't get past step 1 installation on ubuntu.04:11
deweyhazmat: so where is linux box on the network?04:11
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hazmatdewey, there both on a private network w/ a dhcp server/router thingy - (mac) - (ubuntu laptop)04:12
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hazmatwith osx it just uses.. cups discovery i guess and finds it.04:13
deweyhazmat: with my mdk box it found my printer on my other linux box automatically.04:13
deweyhazmat: from ubuntu laptop see if you can network printer/04:14
hazmatno joy, i'm not sure what you meant by printer.. but i tried entering printer for the ipp addr of a cups printer04:17
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hazmatgot it i put ServerName into /etc/cups/client.conf04:20
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aitrusis there a way to make fam not put .trash files on smb shares?04:24
aitruswhen i mount an smb share using smbmount, fam locks it up by opening up a .trash file/dir04:25
aitrusso i can't unmount it04:25
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tvonYEAH BOSTON04:40
GOwinhelp. i renamed my account to somethign else. now i can't do sudo as my new name is not part of the sudoers list04:40
X0563511question... would it be better to get the livecd or the warthog prerelease?04:40
KamionGOwin: boot with init=/bin/sh, fix /etc/sudoers04:40
GOwinis that all im supposed to do?04:41
bob2X0563511: what do you want to do with it?04:41
GOwinnow, how do i boot like that?04:41
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Kamionthe recovery option in Ubuntu's default grub menu would do, in fact04:42
Kamionpress Escape at the grub countdown at boot time, select recovery04:42
GOwinok. i'll reboot then04:42
GOwinanything else04:43
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Kamionif recovery mode doesn't work, press 'e' to edit the command line for the default option and stick 'init=/bin/sh' at the end of it; from that point there's keystroke help at the bottom of the screen04:43
GOwinafter i boot, do i do anything else?04:44
Kamion'nano /etc/sudoers'04:44
Kamionchange username04:44
aitrusaren't you supposed to use visudo to edit taht?04:45
GOwinhmm im on the command line04:45
bob2aitrus: nothing else will be running in this mode04:45
bob2GOwin: type what Kamion said04:46
GOwingot it.04:46
aitrusbob2: that's what i get for only reading half the conversation04:46
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Kamionaitrus: yes, but I wasn't sure if $EDITOR would be something he was familiar with04:47
Kamionbob2: it's not just locking, visudo validates the file04:47
bob2ah, true.04:47
bob2well, he can't get more boned than he is already ;-)04:48
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asdf_46What is the default setting for the Ubuntu firewall?04:56
Kamionasdf_46: not needed, no listening ports open by default04:56
asdf_46Kamion, wow, seems logical, been using Windoes too long. Should have realized that.04:58
asdf_46So there is really no danger in running a server system with no fire wall?04:59
bob2what would the firewall do?05:00
bob2if a port has nothing listening on it, there's nothing listening on it05:00
Kamionservers presumably *do* have listening ports, but the firewall policy for those pretty much has to be up to you05:00
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asdf_46Ok, that's just cool, thanks for explaining that.05:01
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GOwinthanks kamion05:12
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danielboI installed Ubuntu last night, andmost everything works fine, but I seem to have a serious bug somewhere. The first time that I plug in a digital camera, it is recognized as a usb-storage device, and nautilus asks to import the pictures from it. If I unmount the camera and disconnect it, a reconnection causes the mouse to freeze. This is not solved by restarting X, and attempts at restarting the hotplug servicealso freeze that tty and are unkillable. I 05:24
danielbohave a usb wheel mouse and am using the nvidia driver. Is this a known problem with a workaround?05:24
danielboMy views of the mailing list don't show anything05:25
aitrusdanielbo: i'm using a USB mouse and nVidia drivers.  you should search the bug reports adn if you don't find your situation, file a new report05:25
PizbitNice site btw, finding infomation relatively easily:)05:26
danielboaitrus, I haven't come up with anything, so I'll file one05:26
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pebkacso i take it today was RC1?05:35
pebkacbecause i just ran an upgrade via synaptic and i've got 90 some odd packages.05:36
pebkaconly problem is, it says it installed firefox .99+1.0RC, only it's running 0.9.3 still.05:36
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pebkacsame with the kernel.  it downloaded a new kernel, but either didnt install it, didn't add it to grub, or overwrote my previous kernel.05:37
aitruspebkac: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=167605:37
aitrusfirefox has been downgraded to 0.9.3 for now05:37
pebkacah, rolled back.  okeh.05:37
bob2(for the release)05:37
pebkacwas there a new kernel or no?05:38
aitrusas far as the kernel goes, you probably got a ubuntu patch that effected the modules but not the kernel version number itself05:38
pebkacokie then.05:38
pebkacit's running wicked smooth.05:38
pebkaci like the tan background.05:38
pebkacand i don't suppose you've read the actual myst books by david wingrave and rand miller?05:38
aitrusyes i have05:39
aitrusown all 3 in hard back05:39
pebkacwoah, rad.05:39
pebkacSora, t'Sem, then.05:40
pebkachaha i thought i was like the sole purchaser of those books.05:40
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tvon#!@#$ yankees05:43
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WW_This might not be an ubuntu problem, but I'll give it a shot.  Evolution Mail was working fine a day or so ago, but now when it tries to connect to the mail server (using IMAP), I get this error:05:44
WW_Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server webmail.colgate.edu".05:44
WW_IMAP command failed: Connect attempt failed: server may be down or too busy to respond..05:45
pebkacwell... maybe the IMAP server's down?05:45
WW_The thing is, I can connect to the server using webmail in Firefox05:45
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WW_pebkac: Thanks, Cap'n05:45
pebkacno prob!05:45
aitrusmmm... Cap'n Morgan...05:45
pebkacthose new commercials are great.05:45
aitrusWW_: are you sure you are using the correct port and everythign?05:46
aitrusWW_: like, should you be using SSL or something like that?05:46
pebkacthere was an update to a lot of evolution's crap today when i ran apt.05:46
pebkacexchange, IMAP, the works.05:46
Kamionpebkac: the release candidate has not been released yet05:47
WW_aitrus: I don't think I've reconfigured anything, and it was working before.05:47
Kamionpebkac: we're still ironing out a few things05:47
WW_pebkac: This problem was occurring earlier today, before the latest update.05:47
aitrusWW_: the imap server seems to be up... i can connect to it from here05:47
pebkacKamion: in other words, i shouldn't have upgraded? ;D05:47
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WW_This may be a problem on the server end... I'm just looking for a few "obvious" things to check.05:49
WW_If there are any...05:49
obnvidia binary drivers are so great.05:49
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Kamionob: nothing much particularly new05:52
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sriI just upgraded firefox05:55
sriand it's core dumping now05:55
srier it seg faults rather05:55
sridont upgrade your firefox ;)05:55
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deweyok how can I play encrpted dvds?05:56
WXdoes the final version come out today?05:57
sriprobably not..05:57
WXhmm next week?05:57
obdewey: you need a q-tip, some captain morgan's, and a lite-on dual-layer DVD-RW.05:57
WW_sri: Too late... but it hasn't core dumped on me yet.05:57
obfor those upgrading now it's fine.05:57
obfirefox has been held back.05:57
sriWW_: hmm..05:57
WXso should i just install preview release now?05:58
WXor wait?05:58
obmight as well wait.05:58
sriob: really? I just got it and it segfaults onh me05:58
KamionWX: release candidate within the day05:58
obi just ran apt-get upgrade.05:58
srialthough it works for root..hmm.05:58
Kamionwhether it'll be the same as final is still under some discussion05:58
obit SAYS firefox PR1.0 was installed, but it's not.05:58
obit's still running 0.9.3.  which is misleading.05:58
oband had me checking over and over.05:59
mdzob: look more closely at the version number05:59
obyeah, i did.05:59
srimaybe if I mv'd my mozilla dir out of the way05:59
aitrusob: it actually says that PR1.0-revert is installed05:59
aitrusob: the version number for taht is reallllllly long05:59
obah you mean in the apt logs.05:59
obnot firefox.05:59
WW_ob: Right, the package version.05:59
obyeah 0.99+1.0PR-somethingsomething.06:00
ober... so am i running 0.9.3 or not?06:00
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obwhew, okay.06:00
srihmm..moving all the dot files out of the way doesn't do anything06:00
obthis is too much work for a beos convert.06:00
WW_(I'm taking lessons from Cap'n Obvious)06:01
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srior logging out rather06:01
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obCRYSTAL, Minnesota (AP) -- Police responding to a call of a convulsing Elvis Presley impersonator soon found themselves in a high-speed chase of another faux celebrity -- a man dressed as one of the Blues Brothers.06:02
obhaha RAD.06:02
WW_"We have a full take of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's night out, and we're wearing sunglasses..."06:03
aitrushit it!06:04
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obwhat's done?06:06
Se7hwith my original /home06:07
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sricool. got it working06:07
sriit's bcause of a full partition not anything else06:07
whiprushwoo, new wallpapers.06:09
whiprushhalf naked people!06:09
obhaha i saw that.06:09
obmy wife was like "what the hell are you doing?"06:09
ob"i swear to god i didn't do it!  it was ubuntu!"06:09
whiprush"Use ubuntu and you could end up like this guy. Two. women. and GNOME!"06:09
ob"uh huh."06:09
Se7hwhiprush uh , where ? ;P06:10
Se7hremind me one thing06:10
Se7hwhere is the file to uncoment universe06:10
whiprushnew wallpapers, right click, change desktop background06:10
objust do it in synaptic.06:10
aitrusSe7h: /etc/apt/sources.list06:10
obbut if you want to do it manually... /etc/apt/sources.list06:10
obdamn you aitrus!06:11
whiprushI don't get why they are called Monthly Calendar and October Calendar though06:11
Se7hthats it06:11
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kitchen`first off, I'd like to say, mighty mighty fine job on this distro folks.. mighty fine job06:13
aitrusis that Moby in that background?  =)06:14
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kitchen`I've used linux for about 4 years now, and on my desktop for 2, and ubuntu is one of the most well put together distros for desktop use I've encountered06:14
SmokingFireSe7h: You are still here?06:14
Kamionkitchen`: glad you like it :)06:14
obyeh.  normally i hate gnome.  ubuntu makes it cuddly.06:15
kitchen`now :)  I'm curious.. is there a way with gnome 2.8 to make it so I can resize windows with alt-right click like I can in kde, fluxbox... etc?06:15
kitchen`I haven't used gnome for quite some time (<3 kde) so I'm pretty used to resizing my windows with alt-right drag06:15
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kitchen`also, evolution apparently can't do any gpg signing.. that something that is being worked on or a misconfiguration on my end?06:17
hazmatkitchen`, evolution can do gpg singing06:17
obbut can it do gpg dancing?06:17
kitchen`hazmat: every time I try to do it I get an error about gpg-agent06:17
hazmatkitchen`, it has to be setup in the security tab for each account06:17
Kamionlooks like you can set arbitrary keyboard shortcuts for begin_resize but not mouse shortcuts06:18
kitchen`let me get the error, just a sec06:18
Kamionof course, you can always use a different window manager06:18
obi'm tempted to try kde on ubuntu.06:18
kitchen`Kamion: yea, but ubuntu is so well put together I'd hate to break it :)06:18
obis 3.3 in universal?06:18
hazmatob, i believe kde can dance  ;-)06:18
Kamionob: not yet, hoary06:18
obi don't remember if it's in sid or not.06:19
hazmatyou'd loose out on all the hal dbus love with kde06:19
obi have almost no use for either service.06:19
obi'm not about to disable them though.  my third day with linux i said "what's the cron crap that using my resources?"06:20
oban hour later i was crying into my pillow.06:20
kitchen`updatedb running at midnight.. right during my peak usage hours ;(06:20
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obyeah i moved a lot out of cron.dailu06:20
kitchen`on my slow p2 400 laptop :X06:20
hazmati know i'm not using them06:20
Pizbitob: Yeah, kde3.3 is in sid.06:20
hazmatkitchen`, whats the evo-gpg error?06:20
kitchen`hazmat: getting it06:21
kitchen`slow laptop ;)06:21
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obi wish gnome would stop drawing menus before icons.06:21
obit gives it a "slow" feel.06:21
aitrusI don't have any problem on my P4 3.2 GHz HT proc with a GiB of RAM06:21
obi've got a P3 933 with 384MB of ram.  if i can't run an OS comfortably, it's bloated.06:21
kitchen`want me to take a ss of it or just type the contents of the window?06:22
aitrusUbunutu runs great on my old PIII 60006:22
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stubIs there a command to open a document from the command line with the preferred application?06:22
obyeah, it's running fine here.06:22
hazmatkitchen`, http://paste.plone.org would be nice if its large06:22
obabout 70megs idle.06:22
oband 15% is cache.06:22
obfedora wants something astronomical, like 120 idle.06:22
kitchen`oh, i didn't realize i could copy/paste it06:22
kitchen`http://www.pasteme.com/paste/1664 <-- evolution gpg error06:23
jameshstub: gnome-open06:25
stubjamesh: Ta06:25
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kitchen`hazmat: ?06:27
chzare there any developers in here?06:28
hazmatkitchen`, http://www.edlug.ed.ac.uk/archive/Sep2004/msg00244.html06:28
chzi just wanted to let you all know that ubuntu works in vmware just fine06:28
hazmatkitchen`, google to the rescue ;-)06:29
kitchen`hmm.. perhaps I hsould have just done a general google search instead of just searching ubuntu's bug tracker :>06:29
kitchen`silly me06:29
kitchen`ok, let's try again :)06:30
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kitchen`well whaddya know06:30
kitchen`thanks hazmat ;)06:30
hazmatnp, google _is_ the oracle ;-)06:30
kitchen`I know that better than most :P06:30
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=== Topic (#ubuntu): set by Kamion at Tue Oct 12 00:54:43 2004
(theantix/#ubuntu) topyli: actually I'm considering moving from woody to ubuntu on my server :-)08:40
nepthomdz: I didn't say that it wouldn't.  I just said I felt that it seemed less attune to that role.  I don't know of any servers I run with X turned on.  :)08:41
topylitheantix:  why not? it shouldn't be any worse08:41
nepthognome on an MX, er...  Yeah.08:41
mdzneptho: I don't run an X server on my servers, either, but they run Ubuntu08:41
smoI'm curious what it'd offer over stock debian on a server.  on a desktop, the benefits are a lot more obvious08:41
nepthomdz: That's a choice.08:42
mdzsmo: the same basic benefits as on the desktop08:42
nepthoapt, dpkg... ;)08:42
mdzsmo: 6-monthly releases, commercial support, etc.08:42
topyliupdates, support08:42
theantixmdz just summed up the reason I am interested in doing it :-)08:42
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tbermanhow is the ubuntu installers lvm + raid5 support?08:43
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=== Topic (#ubuntu): set by Kamion at Tue Oct 12 00:54:43 2004
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nepthoI best go to bed, being midnightish and all.08:44
nepthoG'day, folks.08:44
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Kamiontberman: RAID5 support is non-existent so far, I believe; it only arrived in Debian very recently, well after we froze.08:48
TreenaksKamion: so the answer is "Wait for hoary"? :)08:49
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mdzTreenaks: that is the answer to all of life's great questions08:51
Treenaksmdz: wow :)08:51
Treenaks"42? What kind of an answer is that?" "Wait for Hoary."08:51
topyliubuntu seems to be developing into a real religion. now it's even future-oriented!08:52
KamionTreenaks: yup08:54
mdztopyli: we've borrowed Guido's time machine08:57
topylican you see hoary's arrival very clearlly?08:58
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mdztopyli: the unblinking eye is eternally focused on it09:00
topylihail eris! hail bob!09:00
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joolzi get a *huge* cpu load when i edit a file in vim with syntax hili on. Especially when scrolling. Is this normal?09:05
joolzit's caused by xfree86 says top09:06
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joolzhmm. i set syntax off and cpu is still very high... 09:09
joolzgraphical vim is not really an option, i'm working on a file on a remote server09:10
phinwhats jam?09:10
phinits like make right?09:10
joolzany idea's what's causing his?09:10
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attitudeEvening room09:10
mdzgood evening, everyone09:11
housetierjoolz, where is vim started from,locally or on the remote host as well?09:11
mdzit would be humbly appreciated if anyone or everyone would test the current daily CD build, as it is likely to become the Warty release candidate09:11
mdzthank you :-)09:11
punkassmdz: you refering to an install run through?09:13
Kamionpunkass: yes09:13
punkassdo u have link where i can get the iso09:13
mdzpunkass: I pasted an rsync link above09:14
mdzalso the same, with http:// rather than rsync://09:14
punkasscan i use that if i dont have an iso already?09:14
punkassah ok09:14
mdzpunkass: yes, rsync still works if you don't have an iso09:15
punkassah ok..aways thought it was just for updating09:15
Kamionit can update from empty :-)09:15
punkassmakes sense09:16
punkasshmm to bad there no nice fast torrent09:16
punkassgonna take me an hour to get it09:16
Kamionthere's a torrent, feel free to help seed it :)09:16
Kamion(the torrent should work, anyway)09:16
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punkassa torrent for the daily/current?09:17
punkassoh there it is09:17
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punkassdo your servers bandwidth throttle by ip?09:18
attitudeOK now I am going to sound dumb but how do I download the iso via rsync from the command line09:19
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Kamionpunkass: don't believe so ...09:19
punkassk, just curious09:19
Kamionattitude: rsync -av cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-install-i386.iso ./09:19
Kamionattitude: if you haven't got it already, though, HTTP will probably be faster09:19
Kamionit> (an earlier image)09:20
attitudedamn now I can not type09:20
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punkassKamion: when are you guys release the RC?09:20
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Kamionpunkass: sometime today09:20
Kamionexact time is not definite09:21
punkassah ok...well then i might aswell save your bandwidth..i have to sleep in a bit..09:21
attitudewill we be able to just apt-get dist-upgrade to it or will we have to reinstall09:22
Kamionattitude: you can upgrade09:22
attitudewhew 3 desktops and a server I was not going to be looking forowrd to the reinstall09:23
Kamionattitude: if you're only in a position to upgrade and offer feedback on the upgraded installation, that will also be useful09:23
maswanHmm.. I can ask in here perhaps, does the ubuntu installer have a way of moving data to a network target before installing?09:23
Kamionhowever, we need at least *some* non-Canonical staff to test the CD images :-P09:23
danielsmaswan: sure -- drop to a shell and copy it ;)09:23
Kamionmaswan: the belt-and-braces approach with tar and nc is about the best I can think of09:23
maswanKamion: ah, nc is available?09:24
attitudeKamion: I will be glad to do that09:24
Kamionyes, it's in busybox09:24
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Kamionattitude: thanks09:24
maswandidn't see it earlier, must start working on this "reading" thing. :)09:24
punkasswhen i see stuff like this: Configuration file `/etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal'09:26
punkasswhen i update09:26
punkassshould i use the defualt of N or let it change it?09:27
punkassjust something ive alwasy wondered..09:27
danielsunless you've modified it, probably best to let it update it09:28
punkassok..i know ive never modified it09:28
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|trey|punkass: depends if you changed much...09:29
attitudewell time to get back to work managing these redhat boxes09:30
attitudelater all09:30
|trey|punkass: if you customized it a lot, it will make you mad to redo that... but if the config mechanism changed, it might be a good thing...09:30
joolzJust found out that anacron is not installed by default09:30
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punkassyeah..most of the ones it asks me about i have never touched, but it still says: ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.09:30
joolznot such a good idea imo, a small distro like U will be run on workstations a lot, and they would benefit from anacron09:30
|trey|joolz: its hardly different from the cron installed... not a big deal...09:31
joolzUnlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine09:32
joolz       is running continuously.  Hence, it can be used on machines that arent09:32
joolz       running 24 hours a day, to control daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that09:32
joolz       are usually controlled by cron.09:32
joolzSounds good for a workstation09:32
|trey|joolz: I never reboot...09:32
joolzi shut it down every night. It's just a workstation09:33
|trey|No point rebooting if things are working, only if you get a new kernel09:33
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joolzand i guess i'm not the only one doing that09:33
Kamionone problem with anacron is that it tends to cause the machine to do enormous amounts of work right after you boot it up09:33
joolz|trey|: I get a new kernel every day :)09:33
Kamionwhich is exactly when you want to be able to just use the damn thing, not wait for updatedb to run09:33
|trey|If the machine isn't on, and I didn't redo the script, I obviously didn't care that much  :/09:34
|trey|joolz: first question, why?09:34
punkasswhat package do i need to install to get  'distutils'09:34
Kamion|trey|: there's been a new kernel a day in Warty for the last week or so09:35
Kamionpunkass: python-dev, probably09:35
|trey|punkass: apt-cache search distutils09:35
joolzOK, now imagine a company with lots of workstations running U. I wouldn't want to update them all manually :)09:35
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|trey|Kamion: oh...09:35
joolzanyway, I have anacron now, just thought it would be a good idea to include it by default. But that's just MO :)09:35
|trey|joolz: I wouldn't be running a beta in a company...09:36
Kamion|trey|: Ubuntu won't be beta for very long09:36
joolz|trey|: no, of course not. But it will come out of beta someday, right?09:36
|trey|Kamion: and hopefully, when it comes out of beta status, there won't be daily upgrades of the kernel...09:37
Kamion|trey|: indeed not09:37
joolz|trey|: :)09:37
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|trey|joolz: at least not if you stick to warty after that point... but you would in a company environment...09:38
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=== |trey| got errors last he did that via Ubuntu though... kinda wonders if ubuntu-desktop would fix that, but is scared to try... doesn't want to reinstall again...
maswanKamion: thank you again, now that it is working, now I can make a backup of the installed stuff before wiping it with an install. :)09:41
joolz|trey|: yes, I would. but linux on all desktops is yet a bit of a dream. Maybe in a year or so. I;m running U now on my own desktop09:41
joolzthat's what i liked about it, debian based and small09:42
joolzperfect for a desktop09:42
|trey|joolz: in all honesty, I would likely use Novell  in a business environment if I had the choice anyway...09:42
joolz|trey|: I have a netware server + two debian stables09:42
|trey|Only because ZENworks and ConsoleOne + eDirectory makes life a lot easier for administrators...09:43
joolzbut the desktops that's another story09:43
joolzmaybe novell will port a lot to linux. Let's hope it's not just words...09:43
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|trey|Novell Linux Desktop - KDE and GNOME... GNOME for users, KDE for power users... they have a firm base for each...09:44
TreenaksKDE for power users??09:44
|trey|joolz: Novell Open Enterprise Server = EVERYTHING running on both kernels..09:44
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punkasswhoa i have startup sounds and a brown desktop.09:45
joolzTreenaks: where he said KDE he meant FVWM ;)09:45
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Treenaksjoolz: twm!09:45
joolzpunkass: quick get some soap09:45
calcTreenaks: a euphemism for millions of options ;)09:45
joolzTreenaks: :)09:45
|trey|Treenaks: yes... they know what they are doing...09:45
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Treenaks|trey|: I know what I'm doing, and I know I'm not touching KDE with a 10ft pole ;)09:46
|trey|Treenaks: thats a shame...09:46
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Treenakscalc: iptables -I INPUT -s calc -j DROP09:46
joolzTreenaks: same here. That's why i'm on U now, instead of Knoppix09:46
calcTreenaks: i'll just upload them as you as the maintainer ;)09:46
punkassdoes ubuntu have the dev files for wirelesstools?09:46
punkassi need iwlib09:46
Treenaks|trey|: KDE looks/works too much like plastic for me... it kept breaking last time I tried it (3.0)09:47
|trey|Treenaks: kdeadmin > gnome-system-tools today... plus, YaST would fit in better on there desktops...09:47
punkassIve tried to like KDE...just something about it...never really liked it much09:47
Treenaks|trey|: vim /etc/somefile works better for me09:47
|trey|Treenaks: its fast and intuitive last I used it (3.3.0)09:47
|trey|Treenaks: ok... but I don't really want any users playing with CLI  :/09:48
|trey|CLI works better for me too, but I am the admin... I want to limit what they do...09:48
Treenaks|trey|: it's the first thing I show to users..09:48
|trey|Treenaks: then you risk showing them how to do your job... then you end up without one...09:49
calcTreenaks: the new ironically named plastik is much better looking theme and apparently will be the default for kde 4.0 (next release)09:49
Treenaks|trey|: if you have to resort to stuff like that to keep your job, you're a lousy admin09:49
Treenaks|trey|: most people don't want to be admins09:49
|trey|Treenaks: I do though... 09:50
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Treenaks|trey|: and people who know the CLI aren't instant admins.. I know lots of people who know basic CLI stuff, but wouldn't know how to configure X manually (for example)09:50
|trey|Treenaks: I will admit, Keramik is HORRIBLE, but there are many more themes...09:51
calc|trey|: i would trust gst to work properly rather than kdeadmin though09:51
calc|trey|: at least from the bug reports i've seen on kdeadmin09:51
|trey|Not likeing an environement because of the way it looks is not an educated reason...09:51
|trey|calc: gstreamer is being used within KDE... (Juk for example) you know this though...09:51
Treenaks|trey|: it's too configurable.. it takes 3 hours to configure it the way I like it, and tended to forget my settings sometimes09:52
Treenaks|trey|: gnome is good by default (different background image, different window border theme and I'm done)09:52
|trey|I do prefer gstreamer to other simular technologies... but its part of freedesktop...09:52
Treenaks|trey|: ithm gnome-system-tools09:52
lhbkde's menus are so full of stuff, i prefer the gnome simplicity nowadays09:52
|trey|Treenaks: Kiosk lets you do it for them, and doesn't let them do it later...09:52
joolzwhat i don't like about gnome and especially kde is that it's not so easy to admin it with scripts. fvwm is ideal for that, very little bloat too09:52
calc|trey|: well aiui there is no kdegst0.8 so that will be dropped in the next upload, since the bindings are now out of date09:53
joolzbut the market is going gnome + kde, so i have to choose between the 2 of them09:53
Treenaks|trey|: no, it takes ME 3 hours to configure KDE for MY desktop..09:53
joolzand in that case i pick gnome :)09:53
|trey|calc: :(09:53
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|trey|calc: they going with Jack or MAS?09:53
calclhb: the kde program menu, or the configuration options?09:53
lhbi have installed kde so many times... i always end up going back to gnome09:53
calclhb: i consider the fact that gnome doesn't show you your apps to be a bit of a bug ;)09:54
calcnow kde's innumerable configuration options are a bit much as well09:54
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|trey|joolz: GNOME = "intuitive for everyone", KDE = "we want to have every feature from everywhere, but it can't slow shit down"09:54
calc|trey|: oh they will probably port the bindings to 0.8 but i don't know when that will happen09:54
lhbkde, shows everything and that makes it messy09:54
TreenaksI "feel" it like "KDE is to Gnome as PHP is to Python"09:54
lhbtoo the point of confussion09:55
|trey|calc: ahh... old gstreamer being dropped from sid?09:55
lhbi love linux, we have at least a  choice09:55
calc|trey|: yes aiui the only thing still using it is juk09:55
|trey|calc: still don't know what aiui means  :(09:56
calcas i understand it09:56
|trey|calc: I think thats all that did in the first place?  neither juk or amarok will play .pls files here  :(09:57
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|trey|calc: (amarok from kalypso)09:57
|trey|Thats the only kinda music I really play... shoutcast playlists...09:58
|trey|Rhythmbox and XMMS play them  :/09:58
calcrythmbox is cool :)09:59
Treenaksrhythmbox is cool.. if you have all your music on your local machine09:59
|trey|yes... :)09:59
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|trey|calc: looks good dressed in plastik too  (gtk2-engines-gtk-qt = my friend  :) )09:59
Treenaksdaniels: "<ElectricElf> A distro flamewar in #debian-devel? Has hell frozen over?"09:59
PizbitIt took me ages to figure out how to get rythmbox to play anything, couldn't find an option to change the output sink anywhere. amaroK I find it much nicer, the only kde app I use.10:00
calchmm i don't think i have used rhythmbox since it was converted to gstreamer10:00
|trey|daniels: no war, just discussion... although somewhat OT in a way...10:00
PizbitBesides, the amaroK devs are cool:)10:00
calci normally just listen to my satradio since my network connection is always a bit flaky10:01
|trey|daniels: both are good vs kde sucks perhaps?10:01
|trey|calc: dunno, rarely get bad quality... so its ok for me  :)10:03
|trey|Pizbit: they would be cooler if they listened to .pls playlists, cuz then it would be supported  :)10:03
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joolzdaniels: hardly a war, we were just talking10:04
Pizbit|trey|: File it on the wishlist:)10:04
|trey|Pizbit: ahh... I will look for it  :)10:04
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Pizbit|trey|:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7830310:05
PizbitGot a .pls for me to try? I have a cvs version of either today/yesterday.10:06
Treenaksshouldn't it just use mime types?10:06
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|trey|Pizbit: ahh... hmm... for me, noatun wouldn't play it either though  :(10:10
|trey|Pizbit: any from shoutcast.com ... then you get to pick you're own music  :)10:10
|trey|I mean your10:11
PizbitThe link at the top works just fine.10:12
|trey|Pizbit: hmm, cool, good to know, thanks  :)10:12
|trey|Pizbit: so in next release, it will work?10:12
PizbitShould be working in 1.1.1 (the latest release)10:12
|trey|calc: If that can be confirmed... you think you could think about using Amorak instead of XMMS for the Now listening plugin? I hate that dep   :(  gtk1.2 = too much like motif10:14
PizbitWhat was the last version you used?10:14
|trey|Pizbit: not entirely sure... got it from Kalypso like a couple months ago...10:15
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PizbitAhh, old stuff10:15
punkassany use use swig before?10:16
|trey|Pizbit: only used KDE for a few days since the first day Ubuntu was released...10:16
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calc|trey|: amarok isn't even in debian yet is it?10:16
PizbitStart with new .kde amarok stuff.10:16
|trey|calc: nope... I told you you should be working closer with kalypso  :)10:16
Pizbitkalyxo :)10:17
|trey|calc: at least allow it as an alternative, or try to get it uploaded (best case scenario)10:17
|trey|Amorak is nice... and simular to XMMS but for KDE....10:17
PizbitI havn't seen any complaints about the debian packages availible from there, used them myself at one time.10:17
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Pizbit|trey|: Heh, and a million for features.10:17
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|trey|calc: I use GAIM with KDE because of XMMS getting installed via Kopete...10:18
|trey|Then usually Rhythmbox on top of that + gtk-qt...10:18
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joolzniiice... Paris considers going Linux10:20
natewhat, all of it?10:20
|trey|nate: Gvmnt10:20
|trey|Novell is certified to be used in G'ment environments, no other distro currently is...10:21
joolznate: local governement10:21
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joolzseems like they will follow Munchen10:22
nateSo they're picking Novell? Nice.10:22
joolznate: huh?10:22
|trey|Take that back... Java Desktop is certified too...10:22
natejoolz: We use Novell at work. Have a couple of SuSE boxes but mostly eDirectory/Netware.10:22
nateit's nice to see Novell starting to become interesting10:22
joolz|trey|: what certification is that? Aren't local goverments free too choose what best?10:23
nateI'm surprised Red Hat isn't yet10:23
|trey|nate: people will likely start switching with Novell Netware 7.0 when its released along with SUSE Enterprise Server 910:23
nateI thought they'd achieved at least one of the lower quals for RHEL10:23
nateyeah, Netware 7 or whatever it's name is going to be looks rather nice10:23
|trey|joolz: there are criteria they must meet... I dunno, read on Novell's "in the press" section...10:23
natedual Netware/Linux kernals10:24
|trey|nate: Novell Open Enterprise Server + Novell Linux Desktop = future when everything is worked out...10:24
joolznetware has nothing to do with it, i think10:24
|trey|joolz: with what?10:25
joolznovell bought suse and suse is German, hence Munchen chooses suse.10:25
joolzParis will choose Madrake i would guess10:25
joolz|trey|: with Paris10:25
nateFrom the last Novell seminar I went to they said that OES would be able to run existing Netware NLMs10:25
|trey|Novell Netware 7 is dead as a seperate product... being ported from DRDOS to GNU/Linux...10:25
nateso it'd be some kind of hybrid Netware/Linux thingy10:25
nateI'm not sure what DRDOS has to do with it10:26
natethat's just the bootloader. Netware is its own OS.10:26
|trey|nate: its the base of netware.10:26
nateNot really10:26
nateIt boots into its own world pretty quickly, though yeah, it starts out with DOS10:26
|trey|nate: yes... netware is ran from drdos... drdos is simular to msdos.10:27
|trey|In the same ways that OS/2 is simular to Windows...10:27
nateyes, I'm well aware of what DRDOS is10:27
nateI'm interested to see whether OES will be available without the Netware components, or whether Novell will distribute OES and SuSE as separate products10:29
phinnate is correct10:29
phindrdos was just a bootloader10:29
phinthen it booted into netware10:29
|trey|nate: re netware NLM's... yes... because netware will still be there... of course they won't work on the linux kernels...10:29
calcyep, i used to admin netware back in 3/4 days10:29
phinwhich was more of a unix then anything10:29
calcbefore drdos (iirc)10:29
phincalc: no thats when it used it as a bootloader10:29
phinit just flew by for about 30 seconds10:30
nateWe're running Netware 6.5 at the moment10:30
phinthen into netware10:30
calcphin: hmm i thought it still used msdos at that time10:30
calcit still was loaded by dos, but i don't think they had drdos at that time, maybe so10:30
nateI think DRDOS was introduced around Netware 510:30
phincalc: i belive it could use either10:30
phinthey are the same10:30
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phinpretty much10:30
natewhen they started trying to seriously compete with Microsoft in the network space10:30
phinwell ya10:30
phinthey bought drdos10:30
nateexcept, well, not having a desktop...10:30
phindigital research10:30
phini used freedos for a bbs a while back10:31
housetiermight be old news, just came across this: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/142124110:31
phini mean10:31
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|trey|nate: and now they are the leaders in development of 2  :)10:31
Solkarisanyone know how to change the default icon for a MIME type in Gnome 2.8 ?10:31
nateThings are looking up for the big red N10:31
|trey|nate: indeed  :)10:31
phinthank god10:32
phini loved novell10:32
phini was pretty peeved when it fell off10:32
Solkarisor should I be asking that in a Gnome channel?10:33
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phinhmm my card only gets 2mbit/s ?!10:33
phinis that a driver thing?10:33
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calc|trey|: until m$ gets knocked down several pegs it won't happen with anyone10:34
Treenaks|trey|: I don't trust pre-installed linux :)10:35
|trey|calc: hopefully, dropping 1.6 billion will put a sufficient dent in their armer  :)10:35
|trey|Treenaks: never actually made such a purchase... usually built my own boxes... but yeah...10:35
Solkarisanyone have a clue how to change the default icon for a MIME type in 2.8 .. old dialog is gone and new one doesn't seem to support it10:36
TreenaksSolkaris: use another theme?10:36
Solkarisblah .. there is a perfectly decent icon to use 10:37
|trey|Solkaris: right click, properties. click on the picture...10:37
Solkaris[trey]  that changes it for that file .. not that MIME type10:37
Solkarisdoh |trey| that is 10:37
calc|trey|: m$ is giving some huge # billions to its stock holders as dividend, losing 1.6 billion won't do anything at all to it10:37
|trey|Solkaris: people seemed to be refering to the icon  :/10:37
calc|trey|: they already have some much money they don't know what to do with it literally so they are giving most of it back to stockholders10:38
|trey|right click a file... "Open With" and pick something else...10:38
Solkaris|trey| again that doesn't change the default icon for that MIME type10:38
Solkarisit just changes the default program10:38
|trey|Solkaris: never occured to me to care about a picture so much  :/10:39
|trey|So long as I can access files from the program I want, I am usually happy  :/10:40
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|trey|Guess I was leaving something important out though?10:40
Solkariswell for some odd reason this icon collection has a icon for ogg files but isnt using them .. its just a plain white square which is rather annoying10:40
joemI think the icon theme decides what icon gets used..so editing that, or replacing the icon you don't want with the one you do10:40
|trey|joem: apparently changing the icon doesn't change it or something  :/10:41
Solkarisjoem thats a no go .. they problem is with the way a file is registered as a MIME type .. and there doesnt seem to be any f'ing way to change that in Gnome 2.810:43
Solkaristhere are icons for the file type10:44
Solkarisits not about the icon file .. its about the MIME type setting within Gnome10:44
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joemSolkaris, shared-mime-info handles that10:46
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joemmight try looking into that10:46
|trey|Solkaris: I don't know that much about GNOME internals, and the people that do appear to be busy...10:46
Solkarisok gui access or cli10:46
Solkaris|trey| thanks for trying to help =)10:47
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Solkarisjoem any idea where said beasty lairs?10:48
|trey|Its just a shared format specification from freedesktop.org...10:48
joempackage contains the core database of common types10:48
|trey|which kinda means it can't specify icons I had presumed... because everyone does that different  :/10:49
joemhe was asking what set the mime type no?10:49
Solkarisjoem yes10:49
|trey|joem: what set the icons for the mime type specified.10:49
Solkarisjoem where would I find the mime type info that can be changed 10:50
joemthe icon theme sets the icon based on the mime type, which is set by that10:50
|trey|Solkaris: dpkg -L shared-mime-info10:50
joemSolkaris, dunno, I am already out of my knowledge base on this10:50
Solkarisalready have installed .. the problem is file type (in this case ogg files) are not registered correctly which means it breaks icons 10:51
Solkaristhanks anyway joem .. gave me another place to look10:52
|trey|Solkaris: /usr/share/doc/shared-mime-info10:52
|trey|Solkaris: ugh, -L is list files installed by.10:52
joemif it isn't being registered, I think thats a shared-mime-info issue10:52
joemregistered correctly anyways10:52
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|trey|joem: he wants to configure the mime info... front ends only exist for 4 of them.10:53
|trey|joem: apparently the files are opened by the correct application... just wants a different icon for all the files of that type...10:54
joemicons should be in /usr/share/icons/themename/size/mimetypes10:55
joemare you using a theme that just doesn't have an icon for ogg?10:55
Solkarisno files there10:56
Solkarisicon exists10:56
Solkarisbut its not displaying10:56
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Solkarisreason seems to be from what I can see now is that ogg audio isnt registered as audio in mime type10:57
|trey|joem: /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/<type>/<image> are all quite nice  :)10:57
Solkarisand its not using same name .. checking attempted fix10:57
joemis it a standard theme from one of the theme packages?10:57
Solkarisart.gnome.org package .. but Ive been having this problem with a bunch of themes 10:58
|trey|Solkaris: apt-cache search vorbis10:58
Solkarisusually same program10:58
|trey|Solkaris: apt-cache search vorbis codec10:58
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|trey|dpkg -l libvorbis0a10:59
|trey|apt-cache show libvorbis0a11:00
Solkariswhy am I supposed to be doing that?11:00
|trey|Solkaris: making sure its installed... then showing you what it is...11:01
Treenaks|trey|: that should be installed if you have ~tubuntu-desktop11:01
SolkarisI know its installed11:01
|trey|Treenaks: 'ubuntu-desktop'11:01
Treenakstheantix: task..11:01
Solkaristhey files work that isnt the problem .. and can set the default program 11:01
Treenaks|trey|: uh that was for you11:01
Treenaks|trey|: stupid "|" in front of your name 8)11:01
SolkarisI just cant edit what the mime types are 11:01
|trey|Treenaks: just type it once + tab  :)11:02
TreenaksSolkaris: you shouldn't edit the mime types, you should edit the theme11:02
|trey|Treenaks: and he would have read that  :)11:02
SolkarisTreenaks and where would I do that .. I look in the icon theme and find nothing there to edit that will effect how a MIME type is registered11:03
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TreenaksSolkaris: It doesn't matter how the mime type is registered, the theme defines an icon for a mime-type. Replace that icon, et voila!11:03
SolkarisTreenaks icon theme has icons for that file type .. but the file type while being a audio file is not and will not register in MIME shared info as a freaking audio file11:04
SolkarisTreenaks the problem is the MIME type is incorrect 11:04
Solkarisits registering a audio file as an application 11:05
|trey|Solkaris: /usr/share/doc is your friend.11:05
TreenaksSolkaris: Solkaris I doubt that...11:05
Treenakswhat's his problem? he thinks he knows the answer but he doesn't want to listen to us??11:07
|trey|He is lazy in a bad way... he doesn't want to do the learning part  :/11:07
jacobIs it possible to rename a pluggable usb storage device icon, and have that name new permanently stored ?11:07
jacobInstead of having the name "sda1", that is11:08
joemjacob, yes11:08
|trey|jacob: you can change the /sys/device/name of it, so it would make sense that you can do more...11:08
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Solkarisgot it11:09
|trey|Solkaris: :)11:09
Treenaksjoem: doesn't it shows the VFAT label, if it has one11:09
joem|trey|, ew..udev is the way11:09
jacobjoem, |trey|, ok but is it sufficient to change to Gnome desktop icon?11:09
|trey|joem: sysfs is part of the udev specification  :/11:09
Solkarishad to copy /usr/share/mime/application/ogg.xml to /usr/share/mime/audio/x-ogg.xml and everything works like it should11:09
joemok, read wrong11:10
|trey|Solkaris: good job  :)11:10
TreenaksSolkaris: ok, something is tagging .ogg files wrongly then...11:10
SolkarisTreenaks that would be Sound Juicer that I was using11:10
joemjacob, ? what does the desktop icon have to do with the device name11:10
|trey|Treenaks: x-ogg.xml should be symlinked to ogg.xml11:11
jacobjoem, nothing I guess. just wondering if Gnome could handle the renaming for me11:11
Treenaks|trey|: x-ogg should be phased out11:11
joemno, you want to create a udev rule11:11
Solkarisjust want to thank |trey|, joem and Treenaks for the assists11:11
joemjacob, that way, when you plug it in, it will always have the same name(/dev/my_usbdrive) or something11:12
|trey|Treenaks: I would say /audio/x-ogg.xml would be more logical..11:12
|trey|Solkaris: yw  :)11:12
Treenaks|trey|: no, what about ogg theora :)11:12
jacobjoem, ok, thanks for the info11:12
Treenaks|trey|: those are .ogg files as well11:12
|trey|Treenaks: imma shut up  ;)11:13
Solkarisaye thats what throws that out of wack .. but I dont have a single theora file yet so not a issue at this point11:13
Solkarisagain thanks all and have a good night11:13
|trey|maybe media/ogg.xml? should be more obvious then "applications"11:14
Treenaks|trey|: read the MIME RFCs :)11:14
jacobbtw, I'm having problems remounting a USB-storage device, ater I've mounted/unmounted it once. I do the unmounting cleanly I think.11:15
|trey|'mount', make sure its not mounted... what does it say when you try?11:16
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remhi all can anyone help me troubleshoot some stuff on my freshly installed ubuntu..?11:17
|trey|rem: not if you don't tell us whats wrong  ;)11:17
remmy sound and scanner dont work no more ..11:17
remok..hold on ..11:17
|trey|rem: don't have a scanner, but my last reboot was to fix sound...11:18
|trey|I think a kernel upgraded  :/11:18
TreenaksI'm waiting for my USB GPS device :)11:18
|trey|Treenaks: that doesn't seem like it would make sense  :/11:19
remwhen i try to play it tells me /dev/dsp doesnt exist ..but it does exist...i added the rw rights to it for al but it didnt change ..11:19
jacob|trey|, it isnt mounted, although "dmesg" says I have a new usb device detected11:19
remalso when i dmesg ..11:19
Treenaks|trey|: uh.. off-topic :)11:19
Treenaks|trey|: but then I'll have GPS + Kismet ;)11:19
remit gives me those lines:11:20
remhda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }11:20
remhda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }11:20
remide0: reset: success11:20
Treenaks|trey|: wifi scanner11:20
rem...but if i run mandrake or debian i dont have em ..11:20
jacob|trey|, you think I might need to restart HAL or something?11:20
|trey|rem: I'm high, I forgot what the problem was  :(11:20
|trey|jacob: try that... 11:20
jacoboops, see youre talking to perhaps to many people right now |trey| 8)11:20
Treenaksto quote Overfiend:11:21
jacobok, ill give it a shot11:21
Treenaks<Overfiend> Thunder-: when you get { MessagesLikeThisFromYourHardDrive }11:21
Treenaks<Overfiend> Thunder-: it either means { TheDriverIsScrewy }11:21
Treenaks<Overfiend> or11:21
Treenaks<Overfiend> { YourDriveIsFlakingOut BackUpYourDataBeforeIt'sTooLate11:21
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Treenaks            PrayToGod }11:21
remubuntu is working pretty ok, but i get some messages like the one on dmesg, and most of all my sound and scanner are not working ..11:21
|trey|Treenaks: haha11:21
perdixrem: are you on a notebook?11:21
jacobwonder if theres a doc on how to restart services in ubuntu...11:22
remdeskop p3 800, 512mb ram, 80gb ibm ..11:22
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remsnd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi11:23
remsnd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_cs46xx11:23
remgameport                4736  1 snd_cs46xx11:23
perdixrem: you might rmmod all sound modules, then modprobe snd_cs46xx and look at the end of dmesg for error messages... the /dev/hda errors shouldn't affect sound or stuff ... I think11:24
Treenaksrem: does dmesg say anything about interrupt/IRQ problems?11:24
remi tried to google, and play arounf with it, but im pretty close to install Debian Sarge now ..11:24
remhold on ..11:25
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remits been a while since ive been in irc...can i send a file to u (dmesg) ..11:27
remtreenaks..tryin to send u my dmesg ..11:28
remi didnt see anything in it about IRQ probs ..11:30
jacobHow do I restart HAL in ubuntu ?11:32
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maswanyou guys having dns problems with archive.ubuntu.com?11:33
danielsmaswan: no11:33
NoodlesLooks up for me.11:33
danielscan hit it very quickly from .au11:34
maswanOk, wonder why the mirror rsync here said not found then..11:34
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danielsoh, dunno about rsync.11:34
maswanrsync: getaddrinfo: archive.ubuntu.com 873: Host not found11:34
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maswanthat was the error message, so dns-related anyway.11:34
rem..can anyone help with a sound problem ..?11:35
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danielsdaniels@brenna:~/canonical/xresprobe/xresprobe-0.4.10/ddcprobe% nc archive.ubuntu.com 87311:35
daniels@RSYNCD: 2811:35
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|trey|calc: not bad :  http://vemod.net/slask/screenshots/kdebconf.png11:37
rem..i also have a Canon Lide30 scanner that is supported by Sane and that was working fine in Mandrake that isnt recognized anymore ..11:37
|trey|daniels: thats GB's? I need that other drive  :o11:40
daniels|trey|: what's GB's?11:41
|trey|28 gig for canonical rsync?11:41
|trey|Debian is 40-something I think, so thats a big chunk  :)11:43
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g0tchai am having some problems dual booting ubuntu with xp !!! can any1 help plz12:38
Lathiatg0tcha: Whats the problem12:39
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g0tchai created 2 partitions on an hp evo machine and installed xp on the first partition12:40
LathiatI should point out you probably want 2 partitions for linux, one smaller (384mb or such) for swap12:41
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g0tchai then installed ubuntu on the second partition and when installing the grub boot loader said to install on the boot loader on the second partition and not the MBR, but after rebooting i still had an error saying " error loading operating system " how can i fix this ? or what am i doing wrong ?12:42
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g0tchaas for the smaller swap partition ubuntu does that for you on the second partition !!!12:42
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Lathiatg0tcha: ah ok12:42
Lathiatg0tcha: umm you should have installed it in the MBR12:42
Lathiati think, seeno way it could work otherwise12:43
Lathiatyou could reinstall and install in the MBR?12:43
Lathiatif that still really breaks it i can help you get windows back to booting12:43
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lonewolffare the XFree86 headers availale via yum?12:44
danielsyum? we use apt.12:44
lonewolffi meant apt sorry12:44
danielsapt-get install x-dev12:44
lonewolffsorry abou that ive spent to long on fedora today12:45
danielsno worries12:45
g0tchawell, in the firt install i did install on the MBR as the ubuntu grub install menu tells you it found xp and if you install on the MBR it will give you an option to boot ubuntu or xp, but that doesnt happen it boots and gives a grub loading error 212:45
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tonyknowsnothingGood morning.12:59
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:stevel] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
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lonewolffhi there, i installed the x-dev packaged to get x headers but i dont have Xutil.h any idea where i can get that for ubuntu?01:17
danielsno /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xutil.h?01:18
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lonewolffah got it now01:19
lonewolffneeded to install libx11-dev01:19
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tonyknowsnothingAnyone know how to install glib-1.2.9 ?01:23
Treenakstonyknowsnothing: apt-get install libglib1.2 ?01:23
Treenakstonyknowsnothing: but you could also just apt-get install the program you need, it'll get the packages it depends on automatically01:24
tonyknowsnothingRun apt-get in a terminal? 01:24
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Treenakstonyknowsnothing: yes. you could also use synaptic from the menu01:25
Treenakstonyknowsnothing: (be sure to run apt as root: sudo apt-get <etC>01:25
zoghomehi, just considering a test install of ubuntu (I am quite familiar with sarge, etc) - does ubuntu default kernel detect/have LVM2 volumes? - this is so I can use my usual home dir01:26
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ehbI'm having trouble with the instalation cd, it says it's unable to mount the cd 01:27
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ehbsyslog doesn't give me more information that could be helpfull01:31
ehbjust unable to open cdrom 01:31
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g0tchawell any idea's on how to get the dual boot to work ?01:39
ehbsure is quite here, 01:39
ehbg0tcha, using grub ?01:40
g0tchausing anything !!!!01:42
sikkhlilo has easiest dualboot setup01:42
sikkhand grub has good docs ;)01:42
g0tchawell i tried install bootloader to MBR , breaks the system01:43
ehbg0tcha, guess you want to dual with windows ?01:43
g0tchaand i also tried installing to second partition on first disk also gives an error of "error loading operating system "01:44
g0tchayes dual booting windows xp01:44
ehbg0tcha, title windows root (hdN,N) chainloader +1 change N by the correct nr  that should be added in your /etc/grub.conf file01:45
ehbthen run grub with the root and setup commands, as in the docs01:45
Treenaksehb: /etc/ ? or /boot/grub/menu.lst01:45
ehbTreenaks, right :-), most distro's keep it in /etc 01:45
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remhey all.. i have a problem with sound and scanner.. can anyone help ?01:47
ehbanyone knows why the boot cd couldn't be able to mount the cd rom ?01:48
remthis is my last attempt b4 i throw ubuntu away and go back to debian .. :(01:48
Treenaksrem: what is the problem?01:48
Treenaksstill the sound and scanner?01:48
remhey treenaks same prob ..01:48
Treenaksrem: are they detected?01:48
Treenaksrem: did you check for interrupt problems (does it work with pci=noacpi, for example)01:49
remsnd_cs46xx             83080  301:49
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remgameport                4736  1 snd_cs46xx01:49
rem..when i go in als it only give me for the TV card..same for scanner ..01:49
remand not for my sound card ..01:49
remBTB878 .01:49
remi didnt see any irq probs in dmesg ..01:50
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Treenaksrem: then yout bt878 is loaded before your real sound card01:50
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remhow can i change that .. ?01:50
remmodprobe -r and then modprobe .. ? i know a little, but im not expert .. :)01:51
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Treenaksrem: /etc/modules I _think_ .. or something configuring hotplug01:53
Treenaksrem: as I said, I don't really know01:53
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WW_I am following these instructions: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes01:57
WW_...and I installed ubuntu-desktop, but that replaced totem-xine (which I use for DVDs) with totem-gstreamer01:57
WW_When I try to put totem-xine back, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.01:58
Kamionthat's fine, let it01:58
Lathiatremoving ubuntu-desktop is not a problem01:58
Lathiatits simply  "meta-package"01:58
Lathiatwhich depends on everything else you need01:58
Kamionmoving to totem-xine means you're diverging from the standard Ubuntu desktop, which is what ubuntu-desktop represents01:58
WW_OK, thanks.01:59
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WW_Does anything in ubuntu require vim and vim-common?01:59
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rempost-remove bttv rmmod tuner01:59
rem in action01:59
malte`what's the package name i should install to get linux-686 ?02:00
crimsunthat's it.02:00
malte`it's not in the warty main repository though02:01
WW_malte`: Have you updated?02:01
WW_(aka Reload in Synaptic)?02:01
malte`4 hours ago02:01
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smoit appears to me in 'restricted'02:01
smobe, rather02:02
malte`i have installed02:02
WW_It is in restricted.  Possibly because it depends on restricted modules? (e.g. graphics drivers)02:03
malte`that's from the main repository02:03
malte`i also see a linux-image-
malte`from the same rep02:03
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Mithrandirhi fs :)02:03
malte`it seems that "linux-686" is a meta package02:04
WW_malte`: Right, and it depends on linux-restricted-modules-686.02:04
malte`got it02:06
malte`linux-686 is a meta-pkg that depends on a meta-pkg that depends on a meta-pkg that depends on the actual kernel image :D02:06
malte`plus the restricted-modules02:06
WW_Easy as cake :-)02:06
smolinux-restricted-modules-686 is a meta-pkg too ..02:07
malte`smo: same thing02:08
smoI just thought it added to the humour value :o)02:08
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|trey|smo: you mean linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686 of course  :)02:13
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Kamionsmo: linux-restricted-modules-686 also exists02:14
smoI see that .. it's a meta that depends on -2.6, which is a meta that depends on ..the real thing  lol02:15
|trey|Got Yahoo Pool back, thankyou whoever decided to roll back till its fixed  :)02:15
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malte`installing the -686 kernel doesn't remove the -386 one...02:18
crimsunas well it shouldn't02:19
malte`just in case the newest doesn't work02:19
malte`will it be another choice in grub menu?02:19
malte`what will the default be at the next boot?02:19
malte`thank you :)02:19
crimsunthe latest one you installed will be the default02:19
WW_I'm not going to do this now, but is there a how-to for cleaning out old kernels that I will not use?02:20
malte`WW_: i think you can safely unmerg...err, remove them02:20
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Seveasmaybe apt-get remove works02:20
crimsunit does02:20
crimsunyou could also use synaptic02:20
malte`synaptic rules02:20
crimsunor dpkg or dselect or...02:20
WW_Ah, that sounds easy enough.  For some reason I thought I'd have to delete kernel files myself, and futz with grub.02:21
Seveasdselect :)02:21
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WW_OK, I want to be sure here.  I installed ubuntu before all these linux-* metapackages showed up.  If I remove linux-image- and linux-restricted-modules-, it will automatically clean up my grub menu?02:27
malte`ok i'm rebooting with the new kernel :)02:27
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SeveasThis channel doesn't seem to be really active...02:29
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jdub_Seveas: it's often *very* active02:30
jdub_Seveas: we're just preparing for a release atm02:30
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Seveasare there mainly developers in here or users?02:31
NoodlesOr neither.02:31
jdub_Seveas: both, all the time02:31
GOwinhello.  i have installed ubuntu on a partition on my laptop. im also running windows 2000 in the machine. how come i can't mount the windows partitions? i tried mepis live cd, and it automatically mounts those windows partitions. 02:32
Seveaswhat did you do to try mounting?02:32
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GOwindouble-clicked dev\hda7 from the file explorer ??02:36
Seveashmm, I never tried it that way :)02:36
TreenaksGOwin: uh.. a / instead of a \02:36
SeveasGOwin are you familiar with using a linux shell?02:37
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GOwinnope. not really. :)02:39
GOwinstill new (again) with linux02:39
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mrjivehi *02:48
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mrjivei have a question...03:05
mrjivewhat is the relationship between ubuntu and debian?03:05
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Seveasubuntu is based on debian03:05
Seveas(roughly said)03:05
mrjivethat is: if i change my sources to th debian ones, can i have a standard debina?03:05
mrjiveSeveas: yes I know :)03:06
mrjiveSeveas: but people i sugget ubuntu to, ask me this, mostly03:06
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mrjivei.e. also knoppix is based on debian, but it has modified scriptsetc..03:07
spivmrjive: Also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view03:07
mrjivetnx i'll go and read03:07
Seveasthnx spiv, couldn't find that :)03:07
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samuraiin evolution 2, is spamd or the spamassassin script used?03:19
samuraiI'm trying to figure out how to train it beyond using the "jink" button in the client03:19
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JanneMspamd _is_ spamassassin, right?03:23
Kamionspamd is the persistent-server part of spamassassin03:24
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samuraiwhereis spamd under ubuntu?03:25
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samuraiIs spamd missing from a normal ubuntu install?03:26
duaneanyone have any expericve with evolution & exchange?03:26
jdubsamurai: yes, we don't support it03:27
jdubduane: yes, i maintain that package03:27
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GOwinduane. i tried it and it works.03:28
samuraijdub: does that mean that you lose the spam filtering capability of evo2 or have you backended it with some other spam filter?03:28
jdubsamurai: for this release, it doesn't work unless you install spamassassin from universe03:29
samuraijdub: I might do that, but if I do will it interfere with future upgrades of evo2 once you do formally support it?03:30
jdubsamurai: it shouldn't03:30
samuraijdub: cool thanks!!!03:30
jdubsamurai: it's only worth enabling universe if you have to03:30
|trey|I think help is better grouped with about... its how it is in most applications...03:30
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samuraijdub: I did enable it awhile back, although I don't recall which package I was wanting to install at the time....03:31
JanneMgnome-genius would be nice to have in a repo 03:32
samuraijdub: so far I really like what I see in Ubuntu... The only exception to this is the difficult with quickly creating custom gnome menus, otherwise its great03:32
duanejdub: I'm having some trouble getting my evolution to connect to exchange.  its a 2003 server, I'm specifying Domain\username, and using FQDN for all server names... but it seems to fail authentication. 03:32
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duanejdub: well I had a brief flash of something, and then it dumped core on me....03:34
jdubdid you dodge? :)03:35
duanejdub: no but I restarted it... now I get this "Error while Opening folder exchange://username@server/personal/Inbox. Could not get new messages."03:36
duaneit's working some, I can see my contacts, and a couple of folders show some e-mail, but inbox does not work03:37
duanehmm, I'll read some of the Novell stuff... I think I'm configured right, but somethings still not right in the server.03:39
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daldermanbut guys, you got the logo in the wrong place on the splash dammit03:41
duaneSo I have another issue, anyone a sound guru?03:42
duanethe sounds of silence are kind of ge6tting to me03:43
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duaneI have all kinds of kernel modules loading, including the one for my intel 810 chip, but no sound from gnome/X at all.03:43
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DanChmm... my kids' PC has a 4GB disk with win98. I used parted to squeeze out a 1.5GB linux partition and tried to install ubuntu. no joy. disk full.03:45
DanCI found a couple spare disk drives in the closed, but they're only ~1GB each.03:45
duaneon my system: /dev/hda3              5716172   1782872   364292803:46
duanethats 1.7 used03:46
duaneand I'm sure more than that during package install/update03:46
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DanCis there an equivalent to the debian-installer businesscard CD for ubuntu?03:47
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tonyknowsnothingCan you point Synapic to a package and have it install it for you?03:50
duanecan always dpkg -i package.deb03:50
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tonyknowsnothingWhere do I unpack the tar file I just downloaded....in the Home directory?03:53
DanC"rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker'03:55
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djtanseyany ibm thinkpad owners in here? 03:56
djtanseyi'm looking to see if anyone has had any success with docking/undocking.03:57
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mojoI need help03:57
djtanseymojo: of what sort?03:58
mojomy PC keep changing my DNS of my eth0 when start up (changing resolv.conf), I have to re-configure the DNS all the time03:58
mojoI'm using DHCP of my ADSL modem, on Windows, this doesn't happen03:58
djtanseymojo: do you mean you can't resolve any addresses because the DNS servers are wrong?03:59
JanneMum, anyone know why syslog may decide to put its output onto the system terminals all of a sudden?04:00
mojono, the DNS is changed by my PC every time boot up, I want to let the PC leave my configured DNS intact04:00
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siiis there any ubuntu equivalent of the searches on http://packages.debian.org ?04:02
siithey're very handy now and then04:02
jdubsii: not yet04:02
spivmojo: It sounds like your DHCP server is returning the wrong settings?04:03
cardadorhello. i just followed the upgrade instructions found on wiki, but then totem-xine was uninstalled because it conflicts with ubuntu-desktop. any suggestions?04:03
siijdub: mkay04:03
mojoyeh, I think so 2. But this issue don't happen with Windows, so it'd be Linux fault?04:03
Kamioncardador: remove ubuntu-desktop if you prefer to use totem-xine04:03
spivmojo: Potentially , changing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf could help... but I need to go to lunch...04:04
cardadorhmm ok Kamion04:04
cardadorKamion: i installed gxine04:04
djtanseymojo: you need to change dhclient.conf04:04
mojothx djtansey04:04
mojoi think u got wrong package from wrong respo04:04
mojou don't need to follow the wiki04:04
djtanseymojo: because dhcp gets the resolv.conf contents from wherever it connects to04:04
mojoi see, djtansey04:05
cardadormojo: all my repos are ubuntu ones04:05
mojocardador: go to Synaptic, go to Setting -> Respository, choose the Universe respo04:05
mojoand search for totem-xine04:05
mojothe package at Universe respo is the good one04:06
cardadormojo: i did that, but if i installed totem-xine, ubuntu-desktop is removed04:07
mojowhat version of Ubuntu ur using?04:07
Kamionremoving ubuntu-desktop is fine, if you're not going to be using the exact set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop04:08
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Kamionthe purpose of that package is to allow you to track the set of Ubuntu desktop packages, but if you prefer to diverge that's fine too04:08
cardadormojo: its a fully updated ubuntu version04:09
mojocardador: let me check, oh shit! this is a bug! Submit it!04:10
mojocardador: it's a bug04:10
Kamionno, it's not a bug04:10
Kamion15:08 < Kamion> removing ubuntu-desktop is fine, if you're not going to be using the exact set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop04:10
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Kamiontotem-xine necessarily conflicts with part of the standard set of desktop packages04:11
mojocardador: sorri, it's not really a bug, it's just that totem-xine is the the supported build from Ubuntu, so it conflicts with Ubuntu-desktop somehow04:11
cardadorKamion: but its strange if i do whats on wiki, my kernel and a lot of stuff is updated, while if i use synaptic normally, it does not update04:11
cardadori mean the aptitude thing04:11
jdubmojo: totem-xine is *not* the supported version04:11
mojojdub: I mistype lol04:12
mojocardador: u have to sacrifice the Ubuntu desktop04:12
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mojoand what is the function of those Ubuntu-**** anyway? can someone tell me?04:13
mojoUbuntu-desktop is for??04:13
WsquaredSoon to be THE most frequently asked question: How do I change the the login background and the background of smaller window that comes up when I log in.  The newest version looks too much like a Calvin Klein ad. 04:14
cardadormojo: i prefered to sacrifice totem-xine :) now i use gxine04:14
WsquaredWait... I just found Login Screen Setup...04:16
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mojowow, new background is cool, 3 nude models o^o04:19
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WsquaredLogin Screen Setup allows me to change the login screen, but how do I change the image in the Nautilus startup window that comes up when I login in?04:21
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maswan@ERROR: Unknown module 'ubuntu'04:35
maswanyou guys sure the archive is feeling fine?04:35
Kamionmaswan: I noticed that too and mentioned it to elmo, should be fixed now04:36
Kamionmaswan: rsync lacks virtual hosting :(04:36
maswanKamion: Ah, thanks04:36
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tolle_When installing different packages and such (from universe) they require ubuntu-desktop to be removed. Wont that cause problems when you need to upgrade the entire desktop environment and such?04:48
tolle_Since you doesn't have the metapackage left..04:48
Kamiontolle_: in that case you'll have to use the task in aptitude and make a best-effort; yes, it may cause problems04:49
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rapha[1] Hiv all04:57
rapha[1] What does it mean when you call a release "mozilla-firefox-0.99+1.0PR1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu2?04:58
rapha[1] Especially the "revertedto" part?04:58
Keybukversion numbers have to increase04:58
Keybukso 1.0PR1 has to be called 0.99+1.0PR1 to be < 1.0 when 1.0 is released04:58
rapha[1] Ah okay04:59
Keybukand because there were so many bugs in that, and 1.0 wasn't going to be released in time for warty, we reverted back to 0.9.3-0ubuntu2 in the archive04:59
rapha[1] And what about the revertedto part?04:59
rapha[1] Ah okay04:59
Keybukbut that version number still has to be higher, so we add the +revertedto bit and the old version04:59
rapha[1] Thanks04:59
rapha[1] Hm-mm, makes sense then04:59
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Keybukdpkg can actually do the first bit if we'd named it 1.0~PR1, but then you couldn't upgrade from woody to warty04:59
trip_outwouldn't it have been easier to delete it?05:00
trip_outor is that a real problem for those who already have PR1 installed?05:00
rapha[1] Btw, will it be possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade when Hoary is out without having to do a reinstall?05:01
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rapha[1] Respectively, if I do a dist-upgrade every day, will I have what you will call Hedgy eventually?05:01
tsengno, your sources.list pins hoary05:02
tsenger, warty05:02
tsengthe next release is hoary, not hedgey05:02
rapha[1] Erm yeah, Hoary.05:02
rapha[1] I keep saying Hedgy, dunno why :-)05:03
rapha[1] And what means to "pin"?05:03
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mojoI have a question05:05
mojoare there any program similar to HyperTerminal on Linux?05:06
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rapha[1] Or, asking differently, what do I have to do in order to stay on top of Ubuntu development?05:08
NoodlesOooh, not seen gtkterm. I usually end up with cu.05:08
Keybuktrip_out: upgrades don't work if you delete it, like you say05:08
Keybukrapha[1] : of course, just change sources.list to point to hoary when we start development and dist-upgrade into it05:08
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rapha[1] Oh okay, cool05:10
rapha[1] Keybuk: And is there any good tutorial for building additional packages for Ubuntu?05:10
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OffrayHi all05:13
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Keybukrapha[1] : just pick a Debian one, and work with that05:14
Keybukrapha[1] : the same rules apply, even the same packages you need to install05:15
rapha[1] Okay. thanks.05:16
OffrayI have just intalled mozilla-firefox from ubuntu repositories and then mozilla-firefox-locale-es05:17
Offraybut I cant lauch it05:17
Offrayi get this error message:05:18
Offray Error: No running window found05:18
Offrayauto selected locale: es-AR05:18
OffrayFontconfig error: Cannot load default config file05:18
OffrayFontconfig error: Cannot load default config file05:18
mojoare there any GTK2 port of OOo.org?05:18
mojoare there any GTK2 port of OOo.org?05:18
Mithrandirmojo: none that I know of for warty, no.05:18
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rapha[1] Keybuk: Hmm. I'm wondering, if everything is the same as in Debian, where is the difference because of which you can't just use Debian repositories without problems under Ubuntu?05:20
Keybukrapha[1] : the packages are rebuilt with different CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, and dependencies05:21
Keybukso the md5sum of the resulting .deb files are different to those in Debian05:21
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Keybuk(and, indeed, things like the installed-size)05:21
Keybukbut the versions are the same, because it was just a rebuild and no actual change to the package05:22
KeybukAPT can't handle that, and actually picks a random package out of the two in the sources05:22
Keybukwhere random might not be the same choice as next time you run apt05:22
Keybukso you forever and up flipping back and forth between Debian packages and Ubuntu packages05:22
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ioslipstreamOffray: going over the logs of ubuntu-meeting from yesterday, i noticed that there were bugs with locale-es05:25
ioslipstreamso you aren't the only one05:25
ioslipstreami think it's on bugzilla, maybe there is a solution there?05:25
enablis the release candidate out today?05:25
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Kamionenabl: very soon indeed05:26
enablooh cool, thanks Kamion05:26
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Offrayioslipstream, Ok, I will try to see bugzilla05:27
Offrayfor the moment I will try to uninstall locale-es and see what happen05:27
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tolle_mojo: There is a Ximian version of it, but you have to compile it yourself or so.05:28
tolle_mojo: it blends better with the rest of GNOME05:28
ioslipstreamOffray: yes, the firefox-locale-es was mentioned in the meeting yesterday, quote follows:05:29
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ioslipstreamOffray: Oct 12 11:30:32 <thom>  for firefox locale, i think the best fix is just to remove -es and -gl, sadly05:29
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|CrEaToR|Anyone know why I can't log on to the internet with my Ubuntu ? I get an ip from dhcp (router).Can also log into router. And there are other computers connectet and logged on to the internet through the router...05:31
rapha[1] Keybuk: I see. And when I build Ubuntu packages under Ubuntu, those settings will already be correct?05:31
Offrayioslipstream, I have removed and I get the same erro but for english:  No running window found05:31
Offrayauto selected locale: en-US05:31
Offrayand then nothing :-s05:32
ioslipstreamperhaps try reinstalling mozilla-firefox?05:33
spiv|CrEaToR|: perhaps your dhcp server isn't setting your dns settings correctly?05:33
spiv|CrEaToR|: check that your /etc/resolv.conf has the right values05:33
rapha[1] Creator: and tell us the output of `route -n'.05:34
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OffrayI will try05:35
tolle_It has been ages since I used a debian based distro, to build a kernel package.. make-kpkg and what?05:36
Keybuktolle_: do your make menuconfig/oldconfig/etc. then 'make-kpkg --initrd --revision custom.1 binary' or similar05:36
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Kolyan /join #russian or /join #moscow05:42
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tolle_Where does it put the .deb file?05:42
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ehehenice new wallpaper i had today after a reboot :)05:53
ehehe1 naked guy and 2 naked girls.. my first taught wast that someone had hacked my system.05:55
ehehei guess ubuntu-artwork or something was updated 05:56
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araukoubuntu has gcc and g++ installed by default?05:57
KosaiNo.  You need to apt-get install build-essential.05:57
araukoAh, thanks.05:57
eheheanyone know whats up with the wallpaper change05:58
Tzalidari haven't upgraded ubuntu since install though05:59
araukoKosai, with that i already will be able to use gcc and g++ right?05:59
Tzalidararauko, just try it out :) # gcc -version06:00
Tzalidaroh, meant gcc --version06:01
Tzalidarthat should tell you the version of gcc06:01
Tzalidarand thus it should be at least installed :)06:01
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Tzalidarehehe: read on the mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005674.html06:06
araukoTzalidar, any reason why it doesnt bring those commands insytalled by default?06:07
spivarauko: Most users don't need a compiler.06:07
araukowe could say it is a more developer oriented tool right?06:08
spivarauko: There's been plenty of discussion of this on the list :)06:08
Tzalidararauko: i believe it is because as spiv says, most users don't need the compiler06:08
tolle_Gotta love dc_gui206:09
araukoI see, since you have apt-get thats true.06:09
Tzalidaralthough i also think that they should be there by default, i understand why they don't have them there as a default06:09
tolle_Are there any nice firefox themes to blend in with the default ubuntu human theme?06:12
araukoisnt gcc unpacked during the Ubuntu installation?06:15
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smoI believe it's on the CD, but not installed by default06:16
jacobArent there any totem-gstreamer plugins for the "msmpeg" video format ?06:17
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QerubWhere is pmount invoked?06:20
tolle_After doing a make-kpkg, isnt there supposed to be a .deb of it somewhere?06:21
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QerubWhere is pmount invoked? <- gvm06:22
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JakeandBakeI'm looking to getting ATI's proprietary driver to work with Kernel 2.6.* (which isn't supported yet). I read a short article here: http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/radeon.shtml on someone who did it successfully with Fedora, but he mentions "DCC monitor" and my searches on google have only yeilded results about model trains and IRC file transfers. Could anyone explain DCC and whether or not it has an relavence to what I am tr06:22
JakeandBakeying to do?06:22
lifelessI don't think it does, it works fine for me..06:23
lifelessare you using the debian packages? 06:24
JakeandBakeI didn't see any debian packages on ATI's website. I was planning to get the rpms and convert them with alien.06:24
goatboyJakeandBake: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto06:24
jdubJakeandBake: the driver is included with ubuntu06:25
georgiaJakeandBake, if i'm not much mistaken dcc in that respect would probably be the technical name for "plug and play monitor" dont know much about it though.06:25
JakeandBakei have used that driver included with Ubuntu, I haven't been able to get it to work.06:25
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lIoNhEaRtAnybody know why threads appear not to work in Perl on Ubuntu?06:26
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KosailIoNhEaRt: perl -V, tell me what it says for 'usethreads'.06:26
KosaiA debian/stable perl is "usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef", so it's not so surprising that Ubuntu would do the same.06:27
lIoNhEaRtusethreads=define use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=define06:27
KosaiOh.  That is interesting.  What's not working?06:27
JakeandBakethanks goatboy, i think this might be exactly what i'm looking for06:27
lIoNhEaRtI ported an multi-thread application and it behaved stragely, so I wrote a small test app and it shows only one thread in ps, whereas it normally shosw many threads06:29
KosaiWhat happens when you run:06:30
Kosai% perl -Mthreads -le 'my $thread = threads->create(sub { print "hello!" }); $thread->join;'06:30
MithrandirlIoNhEaRt: that's because we're using NPTL which gives you real POSIX threads, unlike old linuxthreads.06:30
Kosai'cause, if that works, you're going to need to give a lot more information about how you think ubuntu is broken.06:30
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willhow do you play wmv files? i have tried vlc, but just get sound!06:31
lIoNhEaRtThat was what I was worried about... yes it runs...06:31
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JakeandBakewill: http://breakintheweb.com/06:34
JakeandBakethe latest article on that site gives a tutorial and a link to download a driver pack06:35
lIoNhEaRtI will try to get a 4-5 line program that shows the problem.06:35
JakeandBakewith that, you can play any video format with xine (gxine, totem based on xine, kaffeine, etc.)06:35
willjakeandbake: thaks!06:36
willthanks even!06:36
willalso- why has ubuntu 'degraded' firefox?06:36
willdowngraded even06:37
JakeandBakeprobably a stability/security issue that they plan on waiting for the mozilla team to fix. just a guess though...06:37
rapha[1] Yes06:38
rapha[1] Had too many bugs06:38
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lIoNhEaRtMintrandir: That means threads don't show up as separate processes in a ps -ef?06:39
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lIoNhEaRtMithrandir: Would that affect the way theads that exec other programs behave?06:42
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cardadorwill warty ubuntu have new icons, or will we stick with gnome icons?06:43
ficusplanetWhenever I open totem-xine right after logging-in I get a blue screen.  It works fine if I close it and re-open.  What would cause this?06:43
sabdflwill: too many bugs in the current 1.0 preview that are not going to be fixed by our final release06:44
sabdflit's a mess of a downgrade though, sorry about that06:44
sabdfl1.0 introduces all sorts of incompatibilities06:44
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sabdflcardador: gnome, we missed deadline for new icons for warty, unfortunately06:45
willtry switching to fullscreen ficusplanet - then it shoud work, or get vlc06:45
cardadorsabdfl: but i noticed on theme manager that i can choose human icons, altough they dont look finished06:45
trip_outhi - before i install, i was wonderring if the amd64 port has 32bit libraries installed as well? eg could I then install the x86 firefox so that flash works?06:46
sabdflyes, that's the development series that we switched away from at te last minute06:46
sabdflwe'll keep working on those and hopefully they go into hoary06:46
sabdflsvg-everywhere will be nice :-)06:46
cardadorok thanks06:46
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sabdflguys, i'm here to answer questions about the new themes06:46
willsabdfl: i had, last night something on my Applications menu that was a 'file manager' how do i get it back on the menu? and where has it gone??06:46
sabdflsaw some action on the ubuntu-user list so thought i'd come by and get feedback directly06:47
cardadorsabdfl: what new themes?06:47
mdzthe new artwork06:47
Kamioncardador: upgrade ubuntu-artwrk06:47
Kamionubuntu-artwork, that is06:47
sabdflcardador: apt-get update06:47
spivAnd gdm.06:47
cardadori already did06:47
sabdflcardador: then you'll be just fine ;-)06:47
cardadorgdm is the same, just some new wallpapers06:48
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jdubspiv: (naw, just u-a)06:48
spivjdub: Really?  Ok :)06:48
jdubcardador: u-a has a new version of the gdm theme in it too06:48
georgiawell, ive just installed, so i'm guessing what i can see is the new artwork06:48
spivThe perils upgrading packags indiscrimately ;)06:48
georgiai quite like it, but i'm likely to change it at some point later06:48
cardadorjdub: and how do i change the gdm theme? or does it change automatically? 06:49
sabdflthe default image for new installs is the one with the ubuntu logo06:49
jdubcardador: it should load the updated theme automatically06:49
Keybukwhich reminds me, the netboot image still carries a Debian logo06:49
sabdflunfortunately we had set the preview to the calendar image, so everyone with the calendar image gets a surprise when they update today06:49
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cardadorjdub: it didnt06:49
mdzsabdfl: they do?  we tried to avoid that06:49
jdublibgnome needs an update06:50
mdzin my tests, I got the default background, not the calendar06:50
mdzon upgrade06:50
Keybuksabdfl: depends; if they never opened the "Change Desktop Background" dialog then they'll get the new default background06:50
jdubor u-a, if we want the -ubuntu image to be the calendar image06:50
Keybukif they open the background dialog, they'll get the calendar image06:50
sabdflthanks keybuk06:50
Keybukthey opened, even06:50
jdubKeybuk: oh yeah, that's a dumb bug06:50
Keybukjdub: yeah, the dialog spams settings into gconf even if you change nothing *sigh*06:51
Kamiongeorgia: if it involves images of people, it's the new artwork06:51
mdzjdub: "the"?  several others seem to work that way as well06:51
jdubmdz: the which who what?06:51
georgiaits nice06:51
willdoes anyone know how to get the nautilus file manager?06:51
sabdflgeorgia: thank you06:51
mdzwill: FAQ, search for 'spatial'06:52
georgiayou certainly picked cute people anyway :)06:52
sabdflerm, jdub, did we drop the sabrina image altogether (please say yes)06:52
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mdzisn't it still in the wiki?06:52
jdubsabdfl: u-a has never had sabrina in it06:52
jdubbut it's still on the wiki, to everyone's amusement06:53
mdzyes, there have been a number of comments about that06:53
Keybuks/to/for/ :p06:53
sabdflok, time for sabrina to leave the wiki06:53
willmdz: search what FAQ?06:53
mdzwill: the one in the topic of this channel06:53
willmdz: haha didnt see it! thanks06:54
sabdflno sign of sabrina in the wiki now on the artwork page06:54
sabdflwas i too slow?06:54
sabdflthere was a mail the other day that I though implied sabrina was in fact still on the installer somewhere, or was that live cd?06:54
mdzsabdfl: WartyWarthog/Images06:55
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sabdflbye bye sabrina06:58
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trans_errwow! This is great!06:58
TreenaksI keep thinking of Red vs Blue when I read the name 'Warthog'06:58
trans_errI just shipped over from debian camp, and WOW! The prelinking makes such a huge difference!06:58
georgiaooh, she was cute too! shame she had to go06:59
mdztrans_err: the what?06:59
Kamiontrans_err: we don't do prelinking :-)06:59
trans_errThen what makes it feel so speedy?06:59
Kamiontrans_err: we do, however, use a linker option to optimise linker hash tables06:59
Kamionthat may help06:59
mdzKamion: no, we don't do that either06:59
Kamionmdz: don't we use -Wl,-O1? Jeff said we were using that everywhere07:00
jdubno i didn't07:00
Kamionuh, let me go find the link07:00
trans_errwell- however you do it- I'm really impressed07:00
jdubwe're using it on most of gnome07:00
mdzKamion: some of the GNOME packages use it07:00
mdzbut it's not a global thing by any means07:00
Kamionjdub: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html07:01
KeybukKamion: jdub 07:01
KeybukKamion: jdub's only referring to GNOME there07:01
Kamion"All of Ubuntu is built with it by default."07:01
Kamionwell, be less misleading then :-)07:01
mdzso that's how that rumour got started :-)07:01
Kamion"All of Ubuntu" is pretty categorical phrasing07:02
spivgentoo thinks we use it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909 ;)07:02
KeybukI suspect we get a massive boost from our choice of mcpu and march though07:02
sabdflwell guess he just wanted prelinking07:02
Keybukspiv: we use it where it matters07:03
Keybukit makes bugger all difference to (e.g.) shell and perl run during boot-up07:03
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Treenaksany evolution-experts in here?07:05
georgiabbiab, gotta fix some permissions under osx and then i'll be back :)07:09
SeveasI have studied the evolution of mankind briefly if that's what you're hoping for ;)07:09
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amuSeveas: *eg* 07:12
SeveasTreenaks what's the problem?07:12
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JakeandBakeDoes anyone know why reloading in synaptic fails with certain servers? Have those servers been removed and replaced or are they just down/overloaded?07:13
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JakeandBakeI'm talking about with the server list that came built in with ubuntu, not repositories i have added manually...07:14
TreenaksSeveas: nm, I'm asking on #evolution :)07:14
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srimy evo exchange plugin doesn't work07:16
sriapparnetly there is a patch that needs to be applied to openldap07:17
sriin order to get it to work07:17
srianybody know what I'm talking about? :)07:17
amubtw. is there now an easy way to build a new personal cert, like at kontact ? 07:17
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Seveashmm, I have some script that automagically creates certs07:19
Seveasjust give a DN :)07:20
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Seveasincluding signing with my own CA, but that;s just because i dont want to pay for real certs07:20
amuno prob to build one, integration at evo should be done, imho   07:20
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willi have '/dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    user,gid=william,umask=002      0       007:21
will' in my fstab but some folders have a 'key' symbol on them and i cant delete em...whats going on?07:21
Seveaswhat are the privileges?07:22
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willseveas: where do i find the privileges?07:22
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ficusplanetAre you guys going to stick with the new splash screens and such as default?07:23
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Seveaswill, open a terminal and do cd /mnt/c/07:26
Seveasthen you do ls -l, the first few charactars (rwx stuff) are the privileges07:27
srithis is nuts, I can't seem to change my bugzilla password :/07:27
Seveaswhat are those characters for folders with keys07:27
Seveasay, thats not good sri07:27
sriit says to sending my password to my account but I have not yet received it after 10 minutes.07:27
willseveas: the keys are in the nautilus file manager07:28
sabdflficusplanet: the default desktop is the one with the logo07:29
sabdflthe preview had the calendar image, which just got updated to be.. the calendar image07:29
willdr-xr-xr-x   34 root     william      8192 Apr  6  2004 Program <<that one is locked07:29
ficusplanetsabdfl, What about GDM and the spalsh?07:29
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sabdflficusplanet: yes, those are likely final, with tweaks07:30
ficusplanetThe ones with the people are final?07:30
Seveaswill those privileges mean that you cannot write them07:30
sabdflwith tweaks for spacing07:30
Seveasprobably a good idea since I guess that that one is "Program Files"07:31
ficusplanetThat is awesome.  I'm glad you guys are sticking with them.  I think they fit "Ubuntu" perfectly.07:31
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willseveas: i have not set any specific permissions thoug07:31
Seveasno, but Ubunto does that for you :)07:32
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trans_errwhy are fonts like new courier not available?07:32
LinuxJonestrans_err, those are Microsoft fonts07:33
willseveas: why is that? and its done it on some other drives i have too07:33
trans_erryes, but I thought they were freely available?07:33
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LinuxJonestrans_err, in the universe repo there is the msttcorefonts package which will install them for you.07:34
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trans_errLinuxJones, thanks07:35
LinuxJonestrans_err, ;)07:36
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cardadorhmm big discussion on the mailing list about the new themes07:43
LinuxJonesEverbody is too quite...what is going on :)07:43
willwhats going on with the new themes?07:44
cardadora lot of people is against showing half naked people on the theme07:45
willwhy would ubuntu do that??07:45
cardadordont ask me07:46
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willif its women its ok...but i dont want naked men on ubuntu07:46
cardadoreheh you have 2 girls and 1 man07:46
hypatiawill: how on earth can you resolve the issue with the people who'll only want naked men?07:47
hypatiaone of the fundamental problems in society today: which gender should be forced to keep their clothes on?07:47
theantixI think the new theme only shows by default to people that grabbed the preview release07:48
hypatiatheantix: sounds like the GDM theme will be default07:48
cardadortheantix: so what is the deefault for people who dont?07:48
willwell, do a 'girls' pack option, with naked men, and a 'guys' pack with girls....SIMPLE07:49
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cardadoryes, gdm and splash screen07:49
CoconutPetehow can i enable my pci vid card in ubuntu instead of using the onboard?07:49
theantixcardador: if you right-click on the and choose "use desktop theme" -- I think that's it07:49
willof course it would have to be an option on install07:49
KamionThe desktop background is only the way it is on upgrade; right-click, change desktop background, select "default wallpaper"07:49
LinuxJonesCoconutPete, desable your onboard video in yoru systems bios07:49
CoconutPeteLinuxJones, I did, but it only displays a black screen when i boot into the os07:50
cardadorKamion: and can one change gdm and splash? i dont have a problem with those, but i wanted to install ubuntu on my boss pc07:50
Kamioncardador: yes; gdmsetup for the former, gconf-editor -> /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image for the latter07:51
spivcardador: Computer -> System Preferencces -> Login Screen Setup.07:51
tolleAre the mail-notification applet available anywhere in a deb for ubuntu?07:51
hypatiawill: It gets even MORE complication, what with guys liking a bit of guy and girls liking girls.07:51
spivKamion: Ah, I was wondering wehre the latter was set :)07:51
cardadorKamion: but ubuntu has only 1 gdm theme07:51
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theantixI'm not getting any new gdm or splash screen -- wonder why that is07:51
tolleor, rather. How to get hold of more extra packages other then the ones in universe.07:51
JakeandBakeWhen Ubuntu starts up, dma is not enabled on my Western Digital 40 GB HDD (not special edition). Information I have found with google has pointed to a flaky VIA chipset. I suspect it is more along the lines of a driver issue because i didn't have this issue with Gentoo. Any thoughts?07:51
hypatiawill: Too complex for the ken of one little operating system.07:51
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JakeandBakeI can enable dma with hdparm, but it loses the setting by itself after a while07:52
Kamioncardador: it's true that there's only one Ubuntu theme, but you can switch to any of the GNOME ones ...07:52
willoh, i see the problem......07:52
JakeandBakewhat is weird is that dma is enable on my other two hard drives (both western digital with 8MB cache...one is 120GB and one is 200GB)...07:52
Kamion(We should ship an additional Ubuntu theme. Choice is good.)07:52
willthe original ubuntu login was better07:52
JakeandBakei don't know....i like naked people07:53
JakeandBakethey just look happier07:53
sabdflwe can make a neatened version of the preview gdm login screen. good idea07:53
willnothing wrong with it!07:53
cardadorKamion: it would be a nice ideia to include this theme and the previous07:53
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willanyone know how to open multi set .rar files in ubuntu?07:54
hypatiaI think I have a "not for you" reaction to partial nudity.07:55
hypatiaAnybody using partial nudity to sell anything is never trying to sell it to me.07:55
theantixwill: if you get "rar" from the debian-marillat packages in the faq, you should be able to do that07:55
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willtheantix: what is the address for sources.list?08:00
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LinuxJoneswill, >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe08:03
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topylivery dissappointed with the ubuntu "monthly calendar", at least this month. i anticipated a picture of close-to-nature humans, preferably in modern settings, but we got something like a hugo boss advertisement :(08:03
theantixwill -- deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main08:04
grimborgi've just moved from gentoo to ubuntu. looks good :) but, what application can i use to burn data dvd's?08:04
topyligrimborg: nautilus :)08:04
grimborgtopyli, thanks! i've moved from kde to gnome as well. looks like nautilus kinda does everything.. :) i'll give it a try08:05
willdo you mean rar-2.8008:05
topyligrimborg: you'll install k3b sooner or later anyway, nautilus only does data08:05
LinuxJonesgrimborg, k3b is available for install as well, thank god ;P08:06
topyligrimborg: but apt will draw GIGABYTES of kde libraries with it :(08:06
grimborgLinuxJones, oh, where is it? i just did an apt-cache search and couldn't find it...08:07
LinuxJonestopyli, only 29 megs or so :D08:07
willdoesnt that give you all the kde dependant packages though??? why?!?!?!08:07
LinuxJonesgrimborg, you need to add the universe repository08:07
grimborgtopyli, how can i burn dvd with nautilus? i tried opening /dev/dvd but didn't work08:07
grimborgLinuxJones, thanks! i'll do that08:07
willget xcdraost!!!08:07
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willit works pretty well08:08
LinuxJonesgrimborg, np08:08
topyligrimborg: in any nautlilus window, look at the "places" menu08:08
willtopyli: XCDROAST08:08
topyliwill: true as well :)08:08
grimborgtopyli, ooh, it's there:) thanks!!08:09
topyligrimborg: just drag&drop some stuff there and choose "burn" from the "file" menu08:09
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topyligrimborg: but sooner or later, you will want k3b, or XCDROAST!, as will says :)08:10
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ficusplanetAnd soon Coaster will be working using nautilus-cd-burner as a backend and rhythmbox and muine both have pending cd burning patches.08:11
grimborgtopyli, ok! i guess i'll add universe and apt-get it :) thx!08:11
cleeficusplanet: actually, rb has the cd-burning in walters' main archive08:11
topylificusplanet: i'm not holding my breath on that :(08:11
topyligood luck though08:12
ficusplanettopyli, The rb and muine stuff is pretty definite.08:12
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topylificusplanet: i only doubt the libburn stuff. you'll have to have a pretty reliable backend08:12
ficusplanettopyli, libburn isn't being used for Coaster anymore (at least temporarily).  The Coaster guys are going to use the nautilus-burn backend.08:13
topylioh. i'm not up to date, sorry :\08:13
ficusplanettopyli, Eh, I just read it on planet gnome a day or two ago.08:14
theantixtopyli: what, you don't obsess over p.g.o?  :-)08:14
topylificusplanet: that's pretty cool. the nautilus backend should be the main focus, no reason to duplicate effort08:15
ficusplanettopyli, I agree.  OK, gotta go.08:15
topylitheantix: what's that i'm supposed to be obsessed about?08:15
theantixtopyli: planet.gnome.org -- but I was just kidding :-)08:15
topylioh. haven't checked liferea for a couple of days :)08:16
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topyliit's about the only news source for me now, and i have some work too (or so they say)08:17
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tolleHmms, Ubuntu doesn't support to many locales by default?08:19
tolleCan't set LC_CTYPE to sv_SE as in swedish.08:20
topylitolle: swedish? you must be kidding :)08:20
offray-busyHi all08:20
topyliit supports everything08:20
Treenakstopyli: did you configure that locale using dpkg-reconfigure locales ?08:21
topylihmm - let me see08:21
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spikebdoes the ubuntu kernel have bootsplash support compiled in, or do i need to compile a custom one?08:22
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LinuxJonesHow do I add proprietary plugins in Totem. It just opens a nautilus window. Do I make links to the libraries under /usr/local/win32 ??08:22
offray-busyI'm trying to install xfce from different repositories of the one presented in ubuntu08:22
offray-busybut seems that both have the same priority08:22
tolletopyli, not as i swedish menus and stuff, just to make nautilus and stuff support ???08:22
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spikebLinux you can do that, or you can just put the plugins in the directory nautilus opens08:22
spikebthat was to LinuxJones08:22
topylitolle: do you mean locale or translation now?08:23
tollenot translation08:23
grimborghow do i get more than 1 desktop ?08:23
LinuxJonesspikeb, thanks it's not very clear as to what your supposed to do :)08:23
tolleI just want all the letters to be shown.08:23
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topylitolle: well, both finnish and proper swedish are there.08:23
spikebLinuxJones, i think that only works for totem-xine though.08:23
spikebnot the default totem08:23
offray-busyhow can I say to debian that choose xfld repositories over ubuntu for xfce related stuff?08:23
grimborgsorry, its ok now ;)08:23
tolletopyli, realy? LC_CTYPE="sv_SE" gedit just spits out alot of errors.08:24
topylitolle: but let me see, i have the same situation, i want an english-speaking system with finnish stuff.08:24
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tolleYou got ??? in finland to right?08:24
TreenaksI have an English-speaking system with Dutch settings...08:25
Treenaksand it works fine08:25
topylihere too08:25
topylinot dutch, finnish08:25
Treenaksset LANG to your "settings" language, and LC_MESSAGES to the language you want your apps to speak08:25
Treenaksadd both to /etc/locale.gen, run locale-gen -- voila! (or dpkg-reconfigure locales for this step)08:26
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tolle(gedit:4786): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.08:26
tolleI only get those..08:26
EYstill haven't fixed the problem of the ubuntu installer not allowingme to partition anything08:26
EYthe hard disk is not there, ie. no /dev/hde :-(08:26
Treenakstolle: then you forgot to generate the locale08:26
topylitolle: ok, when i issue in a terminal "LC_CTYPE="sv_SE" gedit", i get some gtk warnings, but gedit works fine. there's the euro sign and everything08:26
EYI have a working linux ssytem, can i install ubuntu via internet?08:26
Treenakstopyli: still.. it can be fixed by using "my" way :)08:27
spikebdoes the ubuntu kernel have bootsplash support compiled in, or do i need to compile a custom one?08:27
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spivspikeb: the ubuntu kernel doesn't have bootsplash.08:27
tolleTreenaks, yeah, noticed.. hehe08:27
topylitolle, generate both the swedish and US english locales and set US as the default08:28
topylior C08:28
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tolleyeah, I know how to set them, just forgot that not all dists generate then all. hehe08:28
beezlyanyone else seeing my Evolution bug?08:28
topylitolle: that's common :)08:29
topylitolle: then set lc_ctype, lc_paper and lesscharset to be swedish in /etc/environment so that you don't get everyting in the american way08:29
Treenakstopyli: you want LANG to swedish, LC_MESSAGES to en_US08:30
willwhats the difference between GTK and MOTIF?08:30
Treenakstopyli: so EVERYTHING is Swedish, except for the messages programs spew at you08:30
Treenakswill: quite a bit :)08:31
willwhats better for UBUNTU?08:31
Treenakswill: the only similarity is that they're both "interface toolkits"08:31
topyliTreenaks: grr... i've been doing it the other way for years. your way seems far better (and simpler)08:31
tolleThanks, going to test some stuff now.08:31
Treenakswill: probably GTK2, as that's the basis for Gnome 2.8, the default Ubuntu desktop :)08:31
topylidamn you!08:31
willtreenaks: THanks!08:31
Treenakstopyli: 8-)08:31
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topyliTreenaks: except i'd go crazy if everything was in swedish :)08:32
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topyliTreenaks: let's just say i'd be FINNISHED pretty soon08:33
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red_dogso i just have some probably simple questions and wondered if you could help08:34
red_dogis this where i ask them??08:34
LinuxJonesred_dog, ya08:34
topylired_dog: don't ask to ask, just ask (somebody had to say it :)08:35
red_dogokay, I have just got my usb speedtouch modem working and it was a pain08:35
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maximaus topyli: when the waitress asks me, "finished" I always say, "no, Swedish". :D08:35
topyliswedished :)08:36
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enablcan I upgrade to the release candidate or is it a fresh iso download?08:36
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red_dogwhat is the best way to keep my usb speedtouch settings and make a complete clean install08:36
spikebyes you can upgrade enabl08:37
topylienabl: you can upgrade it forever, never install again08:37
enablwoohoo, k thanks08:37
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topylienabl: that means whenever a new ubuntu is there, you just update your system08:38
willwhere is the best place to save downloaded programs/and their directories?08:38
red_dogor rather how do get the universe package 'speedtouch' installed without access to the internet08:38
Treenakswill: the best way is to use packages08:38
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willtreenaks: but azureus does not have one08:39
zaxislooking for unrar package, I discover the "multiverse" component... In the web (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view) there isn't information about this component08:39
willits java based08:39
zaxiswhat does it includes?08:39
LinuxJoneszaxis, you can download the .deb from a Debian repo08:40
zaxisLinuxJones, yes, but I don't have any problem at installing the unrar.deb package... what I'm asking is what is multiverse component08:41
zaxisis it a repository like Debian non-free?08:42
Kamionhey, what happened to most of the topic?08:42
zaxisspikeb, yes08:42
spikebi've not even heard of it08:42
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LinuxJoneszaxis, I have no idea08:42
zaxisspikeb, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/08:42
grimborghow can I add new input methods? i've just installed kinput2 and wnn but I still don't have the japanese input method in gnome..08:42
zaxisspikeb, I found it by looking for unrar for Ubuntu linux on google08:42
topylizaxis: wtf? what's in multiverse exactly?08:43
spikebzaxis, well, it's not universe, i can see that.,08:43
spikebi have no idea.08:43
zaxistopyli, as far as I saw, it seems to be like Debian non-free repository08:43
spikebyeah it's a repo08:43
beezlyhello? red_dog08:44
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zaxistopyli, I suposse that because I'm seeing packages like unrar-nonfree, uae, eclipse...08:45
red_dogbeezly can you help i need to be able to download 'speedtouch' package now from universe and install it later when I have done a re-install?08:45
topylizaxis: just what i've been grabbing from the debian repos08:46
beezlyred_dog: so you want to get the package now and install later?08:46
red_dogyes after a clean install08:46
beezly1 sec08:46
topylizaxis: yes! stuff like angband, album and such come up right in the beginning of the list08:47
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beezlyred_dog: have you downloaded the file you need?08:47
zaxistopyli, :)08:47
Nonphasisanyone know how to enable DMA on SATA drive?08:47
red_dogi installed it using synaptic - don't know whether the package was installed08:47
topylizaxis: i owe an ascii pint to you!08:47
zaxiswhy is the multiverse component obscured? well, I can suposse the philosophicals questions ;)08:47
Tzalidar(from http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats): "DivX / XviD, other MPEG-4 variants, and miscellaneous proprietary video formats", since when did xvid become a proprietary format?08:48
Nonphasishdparm -d1 only works for IDE, thinks SATA is SCSI08:48
Se7hman, my rythmbox is nuts08:48
beezlydownload the file.. you can get it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/speedtouch/speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_i386.deb08:48
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Tzalidarah now i see, "and misc proprietary video formats, thus xvid is not proprietary08:48
red_doghow do i install later ... locally08:49
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beezlysudo dpkg -i speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_i386.deb08:49
tolawhat's the "monthly calendar" wallpaper all about? Where do the images come from?08:49
red_dogdo i need to check dependencies and download them as well08:49
topylihmmmm... sun java packages i see in multiverse08:50
beezlyred_dog: you'll need to make sure you have ppp and libatm1 installed, but I *believe* they're in main, and therefore they should be in the install? can anyone confirm that?08:50
zaxistopyli, but they are for construct the debian packages08:50
topylitola: i don't know but this month it looks like a calvin klein advertisement08:50
Nonphasisspeaking about calendar... how about that new theme ;-)08:50
zaxistopyli, I'm looking for the same ;)08:50
enablis it just dist-upgrade to get upgrade to release candidate08:50
red_dogthanks beezly you have been very helpful08:51
zaxistopyli, I mean, you must download j2re or j2sdk package, and with java-package (make-jpkg command), you must create the debian package08:51
topylizaxis: oh, so i need to get the sun package and this just an installer?08:51
tolatopyli: I want to know who those people are, I bet they're not ubuntu developers...08:51
beezlyred_dog: no problem :)08:51
zaxistopyli, then, you could install that08:51
topyliok, i can live with that08:51
zaxistopyli, it's more than an installer... it is the necessary files to integrate j2re/j2sdk into your debian system08:52
Nonphasisubuntu should have put Ron Jeremy in the wallpaper08:52
topylizaxis: of course, i expect it to work without administration :)08:52
topylilike the blackdown packages i've used08:53
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LinuxJonesenabl, you only have to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade08:54
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enablthanks LinuxJones08:54
LinuxJonessure ;)08:54
pantzLinuxJones: will upgrading like that give you the new theme and all?08:55
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pantzcoz it sounds like there is some nice new eye candy in the RC08:56
topylibut the calendar background is a very serious problem. it's does not connect people with nature or each other. it just shows Dominant White Male.08:56
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stone_I think "nice" is subjective08:56
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LinuxJonespantz, what new theme ?08:57
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pantzLinuxJones: ok i was just guessing there - but people are talking about new backgrounds and stuff08:57
mdz_pantz: yes08:57
pantzI just wanted to see what they were excited about08:57
toladoes anyone know where archive.ubuntu.com is hosted? is it UK or US? I just want to know if I should switch to a UK mirror08:57
LinuxJonespantz, I am sure the package will be available for download.....are there any screenshots of the new theme ?08:58
topylithe color theme is starting to be there.08:58
theantixpantz: just upgrade and you'll see it too08:58
Kamiontola: archive.ubuntu.com's in London08:58
tolaKamion: thanks :)08:58
pantztheantix: sweeeeet08:58
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pantzthanks all08:58
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darklingAnyone having problems with NFS serving?09:00
darklingBugger. Phone09:00
sbishopanyone had any problems with a radeon 8500LE ?09:01
sbishopthe install goes fine, but when it finally tries to load X, it just goes blank09:01
sbishopi popped a radeon 7000 in and everything works09:01
sbishopi'd really like to have my 8500 back in here09:01
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Nonphasishow can I tell ubuntu not use SCSI emulation for SATA?09:04
aitrusis there a way to install from source so that the package is registered in the apt database?09:05
Nonphasiscan't enable DMA with the emulation....09:05
topyliaitrus: install checkinstall and use that instead of "make install"09:05
theantixstupid newsforge, reviews an early Ubuntu preview release and claims they are reviewing the Warty Warthog release09:05
aitrusNonphasis: are you sure that it's using emulation?  SATA devices show up as /dev/sd*09:06
aitrustopyli: is that the "correct" way?  =)09:06
LinuxJonestheantix, that review sucks she has several facts wrong !!09:06
topyliaitrus: well, it builds a deb package and apt knows about that. and it's the easy way :)09:06
Tzalidardoes ubuntu have a firewall on by default which is blocking all ports? Because bittorrent is going really slow here09:06
aitrustopyli: hehe... okay, thanks.09:07
aitrusTzalidar: no firefall09:07
aitrusTzalidar: there are no open ports by default09:07
Tzalidarstrange :/09:07
aitrusTzalidar: so no need for a firewall09:07
Tzalidarokay thats why09:07
aitrusTzalidar: i doubt it09:07
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Tzalidarbut i want to open ports for e.g bittorrent to get decent speed09:07
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ glxgears09:07
Se7hXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".09:07
Se7hError: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual09:07
aitruswhen i say "no open by default" that means that there aren't any services running in a default install with ports open, not that you can't just open one up by running an application09:08
Se7hneed help with this09:08
aitrusSe7h: do you have glx loading in your xf86 config?  =)09:09
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Se7hif not09:09
Se7hit should09:09
w_hatoh jesus, I just upgrade and I have to say, i'd be embarassed to have to log in infront of anybody09:09
Tzalidari mean, does ubuntu have a iptables that by default blocks all ports?09:10
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable09:10
Se7hWarning: your XFree86 configuration has been succesfully changed.09:10
Se7hIn order to take full advantages of the changes XFree86 needs to09:10
Se7hbe restarted.09:10
aitrusTzalidar: no, like i said earlier.  no firewall by default.09:10
LinuxJonesSe7h, you have xserver-common installed ?09:10
hypn0w_hat: do u have a screenshot, whats everyone on abt09:10
Tzalidaraitrus, which means that all ports are open :)09:10
Se7hLinux y09:10
aitrusTzalidar: no, it means that none are filtered09:10
aitrusTzalidar: an open port has a service listening on it09:11
Tzalidaraitrus, ah yes09:11
Tzalidarnow i get it :)09:11
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Se7h47 frames in 5.0 seconds =  9.400 FPS09:13
Se7hi just enabled nvidia drivers09:13
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Tzalidarmaybe the module is not loaded?09:13
Tzalidarhmm disregard what i said :)09:14
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aitrusSe7h: did you put "nvidia" in your /etc/modules, load up nvidia, and restart your X server?09:14
bluefoxicyWhat is the protocol for placing an item at the above wiki?09:14
Se7haitrus sure09:14
aitrusSe7h: and the log confirms it is using the nvidia driver and not nv?09:15
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Se7hi've just saw the nvidia splash screen 09:15
Cube-nessman.. i like the human theme stuff.. color scheme etc.. but i dont want a picture of people in my login and splash screens.. hehe09:15
Se7hon login09:15
bluefoxicyI'm paging through documents and noticing things such as "you can propose an item for discussion at a Council meeting by placing ot on the Community Council Agenda page on the Ubuntu Wiki;" but nothing speaks of appropriateness of altering this entry.09:15
aitrusSe7h: well, that's a confirmation... =)09:15
bluefoxicyalso, it currently talks about the next meeting being held. . . yesterday?09:15
Se7hi dont get it09:15
TzalidarCube-ness, yeah, i think that the default theme should be very generic09:15
topylihrmpf. i was judging an unfinished work. upgraded again, logged out, and now saw the new gdm theme, the splash and a new version of the "monthly calendar" do give a nice "Human" feeling09:16
Tzalidarand leave the choise to the user09:16
Se7haitrus ay ideias?09:16
Cube-nessi like the earth tones.. but the people part, i dont like09:16
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Tzalidaryeah, i think they should have the logo instead09:16
aitrusSe7h: i could send you my config if you wanted09:16
topyliTzalidar: there's a small logo around somewhere all the time :)09:17
Se7hwhere's the xf86config file ?09:17
bluefoxicythe "Community" is also not defined; must I be an Ubuntu user, or can I contribute from the outside?09:17
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topyliTzalidar: at least they're not blue!09:17
defendguinok why on earth do i have nude guy on my new splash screen?09:18
bluefoxicydefendguin:  is he hot?L09:18
defendguini wouldnt know09:18
defendguinhe looks like a tard to me09:18
topylibluefoxicy: open source communities are a matter of scientific study, hundreds of people are working on it :)09:18
Se7hits there09:18
Cube-nesswhat i want to do is make a custom livecd based on ubuntu for my students.. for use with the educational software i am developing.. is this something that is doable?09:19
compoundctcfirst time I have used IRC and I am a linux newbie who just installed Ubuntu on 3 dell Optiplex machines - however , sound will not work on any of the 3 machines - is this the appropriate forum to ask for help on this problem?09:19
Se7hi even get more fps without the driver09:19
bluefoxicytopyli:  I'm a gentoo user, but I've been trying to get Debian to take up security enhancements.  I would like Ubuntu to aim for such things too, and would also like them to work with Debian if it would be possible.09:19
bluefoxicytopyli:  but I know nothing about Ubuntu except what I've read in the last 7 minutes :)09:19
topyliubuntu and debian are very close09:19
bluefoxicydoes "debian based" imply that you use the same methods for building packages, and thus that work on alterations to make packages build differently could be shared between the two?09:20
bluefoxicytopyli:  close implementation wise only, or do you share work?09:21
topylibluefoxicy: no. lindows is debian based but don't give back to debian. so do others09:21
defendguinim serious why did ubuntu change their nice simple splash screen to that?09:21
bluefoxicydefendguin:  a wizard did it *Points at hermione*  :)09:21
theantixdefendguin: you're not the only one asking, I don't know if there is a good answer yet09:21
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defendguinbluefoxicy, sorry i dont buy that09:21
defendguinits madness09:21
topylibluefoxicy: see the philosophy section on the ubuntu website. there's also a section lableled something like "ubuntu and debian"09:22
defendguinif it was just a could naked women that would be ok09:22
defendguinbut they had to throw the guy in there09:22
topylidefendguin: naked people, that's the theme. i only wish they were uglier ;-)09:23
bluefoxicytopyli: "and the more raw unreleased versions of Debian do not provide security fixes"  <-- I'm attempting to decrease the impact of this :)09:23
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topylibluefoxicy: you're getting the Ubuntu Clue :)09:24
Se7h42 frames in 5.0 seconds =  8.400 FPS09:24
Se7him stuck :|09:24
bluefoxicytopyli:  Are you familiar with PaX and Stack smash protection?09:24
littlepaulbluefoxicy: http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/ubuntu_and_debian.html09:24
topylibluefoxicy: i have no idea what you are talking about :)09:24
bluefoxicytopyli:  and that's 99% of the problem :)09:25
topylinot much then :)09:25
theantixI wonder what my mother (an ubuntu user) will think of the new theme...09:25
Se7hcan someone help me with this?09:25
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topylitheantix: "me and her will have just one man toghether? that's what open source is about?"09:26
bluefoxicytopyli:  In using Gentoo, I stumbled accross their hardened project, which lead me to study and understand (to a degree) some of the systems that Hardened Gentoo and Adamantix use.09:26
sabdflcompoundctc: what does alsamixer say on the machines?09:26
bluefoxicytopyli:  SOme of these systems do not have a visible impact; they do not cause extraneous administrative tasks to be imposed, or cause users' experience to be altered in any way in normal situations.09:26
defendguinsomeone needs to be kicked in the head for this09:27
LinuxJoneswhat is the package name for this theme that everybody is talking about ?09:27
topylibluefoxicy: i like systems that don't have a visible impact. i want stuff to work!09:27
mdz_LinuxJones: follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes and you should get everything09:27
beezlyLinuxJones: ubuntu-artwork09:28
LinuxJonesmdz_, thanks :G09:28
compoundctcsabdfl - where would i find the alsamixer?09:28
bluefoxicytopyli:  PaX and SSP are two such systems which I and several others are after getting implemented in Debian mainline.  My goal is to have these systems (and anything else like them) *everywhere*, so that many if not most security issues will be mitigated before they even exist.09:28
bluefoxicytopyli:  That's the plan.09:28
defendguinwhats bad is that ubuntu doesnt have a gui tool to change the splash screen09:28
compoundctcsabdfl - they are 3 different models of Dell machines also09:28
topylibluefoxicy: you see, i'm a user. i USE computers :)09:28
sabdflcompoundctc: i'm trying to think of the simplest way to debug this09:29
bluefoxicytopyli:  The idea is that certain exploits become crashes/DoS instead of intrusion.  For example, the recent libpng exploits were based on buffer overflows.  at least one of these, as CERT said, would be useful in injecting code directly into a machine.09:29
sabdfltry opening a shell09:29
sabdfltype alsamixer09:29
compoundctcshell open09:29
topylibluefoxicy: sounds pretty secure to me09:29
bluefoxicytopyli:  This would allow a malicious website to embed worms into image files.  User loads image in firefox, user is running a piece of malicious code.09:29
compoundctcok brought up a graphic showing sound levels09:29
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sabdfldoes it list the sound card correctly?09:30
topylibluefoxicy: i mean your systems sound secure. all the other stuff doesn't :)09:30
bluefoxicyNormally this is done by injecting code and overwriting the return value on the stack, causing the function which owns the vulnerable buffer to return to that code at its end.09:30
beezlySSP still breaks a lot of stuff09:30
compoundctcyes correct sound card listed09:30
topylitopyli: make it work, give it to me!09:30
bluefoxicybeezly:  SSP can be disabled for what it breaks.  :)09:30
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sabdfluse the arrow keys to set levels - are they currently set at around 70%?09:30
compoundctcthese sliders are down - yet the main voloume slider on the top right of desktop is up?09:31
bluefoxicySSP will check a value between the buffer and the return value and abort if tihs value is wrong.09:31
bluefoxicyPaX, on the other hand, will simply not allow a situation where memory protections can be manipulated in any way as to allow a piece of code to be written, then executed.09:31
ryanganyone here try to migrate from debian testing to ubuntu?09:32
bluefoxicyIn either case, the program is terminated just before the exploit begins, i.e. the exploit never happens. ;)09:32
bluefoxicyoh geeze can I ever stop talking *drones on and on*09:32
topyligood. but dude, you're lecturing :)09:32
bluefoxicyyes, yes i am, I do that too much.09:32
beezlyi understand both technologies09:32
sabdflcompoundctc: you need the master and pcm ones up usually09:32
bluefoxicyI should be writing on the wiki or something :)09:32
bluefoxicybeezly:  :)09:32
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beezlyNX implements PAX on amd6409:32
bluefoxicybeezly:  nope.09:33
beezlyor rather, it's a good way to implement PAX09:33
topylibluefoxicy: write a paper, your talk on irc just goes to the wastebin :)09:33
aitrusplease keep on topic.09:33
sabdflcompoundctc: another way is to right click on the volume control on the top right of the desktop panel09:33
sabdfland say "open volume control"09:33
bluefoxicyPaX implements an emulated NX bit on x86.  On amd64, it uses the hardware NX bit.  On either, it controls memory protections differently than vanilla linux.09:33
compoundctcsabdfl - ok - makes sense but why were therse down when I had the desktop sound slider in the upper right all the way up?09:33
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bluefoxicytopyli:  I wrote an article that should be run on LWN this week.  I'll write up on the wiki community council page about these things and give some links around09:34
bluefoxicyit's better than droning on here :)09:34
sabdflcompoundctc: sound cards are voodoo09:35
sabdflwhich install cd did you use?09:35
compoundctcsabdfl - thanks I have sound and learned about the alsamixer - you help is greatly appreciated09:35
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topylibluefoxicy: that's very cool09:35
sabdflyou're welcome09:35
compoundctcsabdfl  - downloaded iso - 2 days ago09:35
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sabdflcompoundctc: if you could send an email to ubuntu-devel with the details of the sound cards that were not correctly setup that would be very useful09:36
compoundctcsabdfl - is this an appropriate place to ask questions such as I did or is it for advanced users?09:36
sabdflor file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com with the details09:36
sabdflcompoundctc: this is the right place to start09:36
compoundctcsabdfl - I can do that 09:36
compoundctcsabdfl-well thanks again09:36
topyliooh! i've got an ubuntu rc announcement in my mailbox!09:36
bluefoxicybeezly:  i don't mean to sound like I'm blowing you off or anything; it's nice to see someone whose up on such things.  :)  anyway *gets tow ork*09:36
beezlybluefoxicy: you involved in debian: sbd?09:37
diemanim not sure im sold on the new gdm screen09:37
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beezlydieman: me either :)09:37
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diemanthe old one i didn't know if i would replace09:37
diemanthis new one i'm pretty sure i would replace09:37
beezlydieman: but thankfully my background normally has windows on top of it :)09:37
mteiraWhy firefox has been downgraded?09:38
theantixmteira: it was buggy, crashed on javascript popups amongst others09:38
aitrusmteira: that is a temporary downgrade.  there were lots of issues with 1.0PR that couldn't be cleared up before release time09:38
mteiraI'm still having a lot of problems with my amd box.09:39
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mteiraIt don't pass the boot sequence with an usb scanner plugged in.09:39
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notacomputerim having a problem adding a new user   the issue lyes in that i need to set it up on a vfat partition09:41
Se7haitrus it was SETI sucking out my CPU09:41
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aitrusoh brother09:42
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defendguinhey if i add a bookmark to the gtk file chooser will it appear in the computer section of the gnome menu bar? if it doesnt it SHOULD09:43
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bluefoxicybeezly:  I created D:SbD09:45
beezlyi guessed :)09:45
beezlyor thought you might have something to do with it at least :)09:45
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bluefoxicyheh, Lorenzo (Hardened Debian) is doing real work though :)09:45
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bluefoxicyI'm playing with a livecd using the Hardened Gentoo enhancements that I'm trying to force to boot09:46
socommHello, are there any ummm ... like Ubuntu buttons that I can place on my homepage?09:46
socommWhat they call it, branding or something.09:46
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tollehe, it has been quite a while since i used KDE, but do all of the apps there have as ugly icons as the ones in dcgui-qt ?09:47
PizbitYou can change the icon set.09:48
Pizbitdcgui-qt is an ugly pos anyway09:48
WimVriendHello Folks09:48
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PizbitEven for a kde app it's lousy.09:48
socommtolle, http://www.kdelook.org09:48
LinuxJonessocomm, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork09:48
socommLinuxJones, thanks.09:48
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Tzalidargah! i get no sound in xine09:51
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theantixyou know, some official ought to write a faq entry on that (hint, hint)09:55
burnerawwww... there's naked people all over my ubuntu!!!09:55
defendguinburner, lol09:58
theantixnaked people gdm/splash/wallpaper seems to be a FAQ today, it would be nice if there was an official statement on it09:58
defendguinubuntu-artwork needs to be rolled back09:58
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=== burner doesn't really notice any diff to the new release... except that... although tons of packages were updateed
=== burner likes the 'calendar' background :)
sepheebearhey what's the deal with the half naked white guy and the bald black chick  in her bra logging me in all of a sudden?09:58
burnerit's fun09:58
socommburner, you got a link to that background?09:59
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burnersocomm, nope... it just came when i dist-upgraded :)09:59
theantixburner: nope, not an official one09:59
theantixburner: I'll probably make one once the artwork is finalized10:00
burneraww theantix, you ruined it for me ;)  now i don't have to check.  oh well... if i was an artist I'd attempt, but all the gdm themes are awesome... hate to taint it with my stuff10:00
socommburner, thanks.10:00
sepheebearlooks more like somebody walked in on the beginning of a 3some with camera ready10:00
burneroh, the half naked folks are artistic and fun10:01
sepheebearthey are having fun but i dunno know if they're exactly thinking art10:01
defendguini just find it kind of odd to have those gdm/splash/wallpaper forced on me10:01
StoneTableThey don't work very well in a work environment10:01
socommWorks, what's that?10:02
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defendguindo what know who is reposible?10:02
burneragreeed with StoneTable10:02
burnerbut some work environments need to lighten up :)10:02
cleemako: awww10:03
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cleemako: You did the wrong its/it's10:03
clee"Ubuntu is a great way to try out Gnome 2.8 if you have10:03
clee  not already tasted it's speed and simplicity!"10:03
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sepheebearwas that the only black girl available? she's not even that hot. sorry to make such a deal out of it but it was a rude awakening after i rebooted10:03
makoclee: i fixed my its/it's i think that was mark :)10:03
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tsengsepheebear: she's not terrible either10:04
cleemako: damn mark.10:04
tsengoh well.10:04
whiprushI'd hit that10:04
sepheebearno she's not terrible10:04
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makoclee: the joy of collaboratively edited documents is that everyone gets to blame someone else10:04
tsengjust 3 average models10:04
cleemako: heh.10:04
cleemako: so the real question is, where are my pressed CDs?10:04
raphaI've a little problem with Ubuntu's Network Settings tool (network-admin). If I right see, WEP keys are 26 characters (HEX) in length. But the network-admin tool only permits 24 characters to be typed in. Is this intended?10:04
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malte`everybody talking about new ubuntu's artwork10:05
makoclee: we will press after release10:05
makoclee: so next week10:05
cleemako: mmm. sweet.10:05
makoclee: i can put you on the high priority list10:05
cleemako: You rock.10:05
makoclee: otherwise, it migth take a while 10:05
burneranyone know if there's a hotkey to 'force-quit' ?10:06
sepheebeari just couldnt seriously expect to see people logging into that GDM theme. the upside down naked white dude gives me the creeps10:07
burneraww.. homophobic?10:07
burnerit's ok ;)10:07
malte`i hate the splash screen10:07
phlaegelso are the cds going to have naked people on them too? :-)10:07
burnerat least it feels polished10:07
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theantixrapha: I can't confirm your bug10:08
raphaYeah, sex sells :)10:08
whiprushI wonder what the guy in the splash screen is laughing at10:08
whiprushhe's like all giggly.10:08
sepheebearnah weird upside down naked people generally give me the willies10:08
sepheebearno matter what their preference10:08
theantixwell, like the new splash screen or not, this will make Ubuntu the topic of conversation on the net again :-)10:08
phlaegelwell, sure, he's got two ladies. ;-)10:08
raphatheantix: I didn't say it was a bug. Could you just tell me if it is right that WEP keys are 26 characters in length? (This occurs on my girlfriends notebook, and she has just done a full apt-get upgrade on Sunday).10:09
theantixrapha, mine is 26 characters, yes10:09
ggiThe old gdm login screen looked much better on my widescreen laptop, for what it's worth. The semi-naked people are kind of squished.10:10
raphaAnd where's this artwork everybody seems to be talking about?10:10
bluefoxicyalright, I've added the wiki entry.10:10
sepheebearhey there's not even a configure button in that theme10:10
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raphatheantix: Okay, in that case the input definately stops for her after 24 characters. Could you tell me what version you have, and I'll inquire about hers?10:10
rapha(Will just have to go offline for that)10:11
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Se7htell me something10:12
makoclee: did you order enough cds to give out at redhat10:12
theantixrapha: gnome-system-tools 1.0.0-0ubuntu610:12
Se7h ln -s source target10:12
makoclee: we can send you a little display box you can set up :)10:12
raphaOkay thanks; I'll be right back.10:13
Se7hwith that i can link a dir to another partition10:13
cleemako: :D10:14
cleemako: that would rule10:14
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makoclee: alright then :)10:18
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makoclee: send pix :)10:18
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MyKq3can i c hebrew on  my Gnome menus? every time i have some use of hebrew font on my GNOME i c odd chars ( e.g. i can play a hebrew file on mp3player to c ther the hebrew name bot on the panel i c gebrish ) 10:27
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bluefoxicytseng:  You continue to be everywhere, I see.10:28
bluefoxicyyou should change your nick to 'ubiquitous'10:28
tsengbluefoxicy: i own this network :)10:29
bluefoxicytseng:  can I have ircops?  :)10:29
bluefoxicyheh, I try.10:29
bluefoxicytseng:   http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity  <-- looks good?10:29
tsenghmm yes10:29
tsengbut there is no ssp in their gcc/glibc atm10:30
bluefoxicyright.  they'll need to work that out.10:30
tsengor pie even, I think.10:30
bluefoxicytrulex is working on that ATM IIRC10:30
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lmlHow do I configure the firewall?10:30
tsengoh, good.10:30
bluefoxicytseng:  that's why pappy keeps yelling at him; he apparently doesn't like having SSP in glibc :)10:31
tseng...pappy put it there inthe first place10:31
two-facehow did people manage to get hired by canonical? (just curious)10:31
tsengtwo-face: you have to be k-rad10:31
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tsengtwo-face: they mostly hired current debian devels10:32
aitrusthe ones who aren't elitiest bastards10:32
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two-facetseng: i know, but how have they been chosen/contacted?10:33
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topylioh my. the default theme is already raising hell. soon we'll have a system that's all blue and plastic.10:35
topylinot the system, the look :)10:36
vrlnI wonder how long it takes until slashdot posts a news item called "ubuntu theme controversy"10:38
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ChrisWhas ubuntu been slashdotted yet?10:38
Keybuktwo-face: legend has it that Mark took the debian-devel archives to antartica and read them, drawing up a short list of people he wanted10:38
willwhats better people......GSTREAMER or XINE?10:39
lmlI am having trouble connecting to a mysql server on my just recently installed Ubuntu system and was thinking that maybe there is a firewall running on preventing my from connecting?10:39
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Bohhhanother debian based distro?10:39
Bohhhhow many debian-based distro exist?10:40
Bohhhapart from ubuntu10:40
topyliBohhh: 2986348710:40
cleeBohhh: This one doesn't suck, though.10:41
cleeExcept for the decision to go with GNOME anyway ;)10:41
NonphasisI think the white guy is Mark himself10:41
topyliBohhh: this works10:41
Bohhhclee, why should i choose ubuntu?10:41
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Bohhhno gnome!!10:41
Bohhhi hate gnome10:41
cleeBohhh: well, it comes with GNOME.10:41
cleeBohhh: If you don't like it, you can install other stuff.10:41
topyliBohhh: you lose then :)10:41
NonphasisBohhh, well, if you go Ubuntu, you'll need to learn to like it :)10:42
diemani'm already retheming it here10:42
diemanto keep the users at bay10:42
SmokingFireHi, there I have a problem with a partition that its corrupted. If you are part of the mailinglist you might have read about it.10:42
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BaumiDoes s.b. know how to use LIRC in ubuntu?10:42
Bohhhwhy gnome when kde is superior?10:42
cleeAnd, coming from a KDE developer, I think that's a pretty bold statement10:42
Bohhhthese days..10:42
Baumi@Bohhh i think its faster10:42
Bohhhthat's all?10:42
cleeBaumi: Well, you're wrong, but that's ok. ;)10:42
Bohhhi would get a faster cpu for a faster desktop instead10:43
Nonphasisclee, indeed :). Any idea when ubuntuized KDE is going to happen?10:43
SmokingFirehave you seen this application? Its sexy"http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php much better the qtparted from the looks.10:43
cleeBaumi: The KDE devs have been very diligent about speed issues.10:43
topyliNonphasis: you can install kde from universe if you like.10:43
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cleeBaumi: If you wanted to (I've done it) you can install KDE 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 alongside eachother and compare the relative speeds of each version - it's been getting consistently faster since 3.010:43
SmokingFireWhy can't the kde people just download Suse or Knoppix?10:43
Solkarisgreetings and salutations10:43
Nonphasistopyli, I tried, it looked like crap10:43
cleeBaumi: And we fit better in lowmem situations (where "lowmem" is < 256M of RAM)10:44
topyliNonphasis: i guess it looks like vanilla kde, like in debian10:44
cleehowever, I have to admit that I really dig nautilus10:44
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BohhhSmokingFire, it happens that suse is not always free10:44
SolkarisSmokingFire because that would mean there was a non KDE distro out there somewhere *gasp* horrors10:44
Nonphasistopyli, Debian KDE looked much better I think - though the memory might just be merciful 10:44
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Bohhhknoppix is good , but its nature is a live distro10:45
Bohhheven if installed10:45
SolkarisBohhh there are tons of KDE based distro's .. more than Gnome based by far10:45
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topyliNonphasis: if kde looks like crap, i can't help it. i don't care too much really :)10:45
Baumitry Kanotix10:45
Nonphasistopyli, fair enough10:45
SmokingFireYes but the unix motto is do one thing good and only that.10:46
BohhhSolkaris, i would like too see a solid debian-based distro + kde with updatings every 3-4 months10:46
topyliget a kde supporting distro, there are plenty10:46
Solkariswhole reason I jumped to Ubuntu .. Gnome based Distro with APT 10:46
SmokingFireConcentrate on gnome, people want kde then apt-get get it.10:46
topyliSolkaris: the LATEST gnome of course10:47
Bohhhok. so the question is : what are _solid_ debian/kde-based distros?10:47
Bohhhis it free?10:47
SmokingFirethe live cd is10:47
Solkaristopyli LOL ok yes the newest gnome ... reality is if they had said 2.6 I would still have used it10:47
Bohhhthey don't exist10:47
Bohhhthat's all10:47
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tolaSolkaris: agreed, Gnome and Apt.10:47
SmokingFirebut also non free10:47
Bohhhyea, there no much choice10:48
clee(which I haven't tried.)10:48
topyliSolkaris: yes. the truth is, i use gnome. i don't care what's under it as long as it's debian :)10:48
Bohhhclee, who ever heard of it? :)10:48
punkass_Mepis is pretty nice10:48
cleefrom what I hear, Mepis is a damned good KDE distro10:48
punkass_pretty easy install from liveCD to HD10:48
cleeand they're also debian-based10:49
defendguinpunkass_, i found a problem with your pyfi app10:49
tolleI'm testing Ubuntu right now for fun, Nift default GNOME settings and a good package management system10:49
topyliis libranet still alive? they're a kde-debian10:49
punkass_oh yeah?10:49
TelepAnyone installed NVU on Ubuntu?10:49
cleeAnd there's also Lycoris.10:49
tolleRan Gentoo before, Debian before that (and at the same time to).10:50
cleebut they kinda suck, last I checked.10:50
Solkaristopyli yep yep .. this distro is like someone reached in my head an made the dreams real .. ahhh10:50
topyliTelep: yes, it works fine10:50
punkass_i am just looking into creating a python wrapper for iwlib10:50
sepheebearhey, i've got a new homepage! Ubuntu's pretty willy nilly about changing settings on ya10:50
punkass_defendguin: what is it?10:50
Teleptopyli: where can I find a .deb-package for that? I couldn't see it in universe10:50
defendguinyeah you need to haev some way of telling the user is he is unable to connect10:50
defendguinif he is10:51
topyliTelep: no, i just extracted the package in /opt and it's good to go10:51
NonphasisRumor has it that Hoary Hedgehog will feature mr. Goatse in the theme10:51
defendguinthe gui just stopped responding when i tried to use it to access my schools network10:51
tolleThe best part of apt on debian based distros (havnt realy used the rpm based ones for to long, so dunno if apt works the same on those) is the removal of packages.10:51
punkass_ah yes...i had left out a bunch of notification stuff...well not left out...just didnt get to it yet10:51
NonphasisI suspect that it wasn't true, though10:51
tolleremoving redundant stuff that depended on the package you remove.10:52
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defendguinwhich is probably using some mac address identification to exclude my computer10:52
punkass_defendguin: yes i also i have to learn how to seperate the I/O from the GUI10:52
two-faceKeybuk: how many are you in?10:52
tollethe lack of that was the absolutly largest downside of portage10:52
Solkarishowdy RUNE10:52
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defendguinill have to figure out how to spoof the mac addy of one of their boxes10:52
punkass_defendguin: but if i can get this wrapper working...should make the app work a little nicer too..without relying on the stdout and stderr10:53
punkass_defendguin: why do they lock you out at school? isnt that why they have a wifi network?10:54
Solkarisnewsforge has posted a review10:54
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topylilink! link!10:54
Keybuktwo-face: how many?  huh?  -ECONTEXT :p10:55
topyliSolkaris: i'm already there :)10:56
defendguinpunkass_, yeah but they locked out students for right now only faculty and staff10:56
defendguini dont like this rule at all10:56
two-faceKeybuk: bah, nevermind10:56
defendguinaccording to everything i can see they dont have a WEP key10:57
Solkaristopyli sorry took so long was reading the review10:57
topyliSolkaris: don't bother me! i'm reading the review! ;-)10:57
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punkass_well a  iwlist blah scan  should tell ya11:00
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sn0wmanIt looks kind of strange to have 3 naked people on my desktop.11:01
LinuxJonessn0wman, everybody seems to have the same impression of the new artwork :D11:02
willertHi all, I just installed Ubuntu Linux and I am totally sold on it. Just one thing nags me: my all time favourite broser (Galeon) is not available through the universe and trying to get it from debian breaks tons of gnome packages. Any idea how I can install it without the hassle to compile from source (or convince the ubunto people to include it)?11:02
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azeemwillert: if it's not included yet, it's too late for the 4.10 release. But I guess it will make it into 5.03's universe archive11:03
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sn0wmanIt looks kind of strange to have 3 naked people on my desktop.11:04
sn0wmanwillert: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/galeon11:04
georgiasn0wman: how many naked people do you normally have on your desktop?11:04
willertazeem: that meens, I'd have to wait ~ 6 months 'til I can install it through the ubuntu channels?11:04
sn0wmanonly 211:04
azeemwillert: well, the development will continue11:04
georgiaat least all three are kinda cute though11:04
azeemwillert: but using the development branch just for galeon right away might be no good advice11:05
sn0wman... except for the dude of course...11:05
azeembetter wait till it stabilizes, or perhaps somebody supports galeon 3rd party like11:05
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willertI don't mean to criticize, ubunto is an terrific piece of work... I just wanted to evaluate if I switch now or in a few months *g*11:06
georgiasn0wman: i dunno he's kinda nice, i wouldnt kick him outta bed for eating biscuits11:06
azeemit's for you to decide whether galeon is a show-stopper for you or not =)11:06
willertazeem: I will make my switch from debian/experimental, so I am quite used to broken stuff :)11:07
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pvcompiling galeon from source may solve lib dependency problems11:09
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swimI have a .deb package how can I install it?11:10
Zero-Gdpkg -i *.deb11:10
swimthnk you11:10
topylii agree with the review on one thing: after the colorful approach of others, ubuntu default is "peaceful" like the reviewer says :)11:11
sikkhZero-G would have 'side effects' if there was more .debs in that dir ;)11:11
Merlin_can someone help me with a very simple question11:11
Merlin_I just installed ubuntu as my first linux venture ever11:11
topylialso i like when the reviewer, a long time kde user, agrees that gnome is "a pleasure" :)11:12
Merlin_I'm trying to figure out how I install my graphics card drivers11:12
chzif anybody wants to know if kde works..i got it workin through synaptic update...works great!!11:12
vrlnMerlin_: nvidia or ati?11:12
Merlin_I need to dump my X server11:12
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Merlin_running nvidia11:12
azeemMerlin_: if you have successfully installed Ubuntu, the graphics cards drivers are already setup11:12
sikkhtopyli I'm a long time gnome user that switched to kde and doesnn't plan to go back ;P11:12
topylichz: why wouldn't it? it's the kde from debian11:12
SolkarisMerlin_ is X running at all?11:13
topylisikkh: oh yeas there are people like you as well. beautiful isn't it? :)11:13
Merlin_I'm told it is, but I don't even know what X is...11:13
willertazeem: Do you have any pointers what is needed to get an package into the universe? I'd really like to help out with galeon but I can't find anything like the DD Guide or Policy documents concerning Universe packages11:13
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azeemhey vorlon11:13
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SmokingFireI try to compile gparted but it gives me the error can't find install.sh or install-sh. But its right there in the same dir!11:13
azeemwillert: sorry, I'm no Ubuntu Maintainer myself. Best to wait after the release and then ask the Ubuntu guys about galeon11:14
vorlonhey, I'm trying to do my first ubuntu install using a warty image downloaded from ubuntulinux.com, and it's complaining about missing packages -- first bsdutils, now ifrename.  Anyone know what the story is?11:14
chzwell...i used to use xandros b4 i found out about ubuntu...i liked xandros alot...but i had a hard time upgrading the kde from 3.1 to 3.2....but this just does everything so much better...11:14
SmokingFiredaily build vorlon?11:14
chzim stickin with ubuntu for awhile...11:14
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vorlonSmokingFire: heck if I know. ;)  Hang on.11:15
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willertazeem: OK... I'll do that. Thanks11:15
chzSmokingFire: thanks for showin me the synaptic update..=)11:15
vorlonSmokingFire: .disk/info calls it Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915).11:15
azeemvorlon: the RC just went out today :)11:15
SmokingFirevorlon: just asking because the normal build didn't give such errors. So I'm guess that the daily build is broken or went you burned/downloaded the cd something went wrong.11:16
SmokingFirechz: My pleasure11:16
diemanthe office is in arms about the 'naked people11:16
diemanand the smiles11:16
KosaiCan someone remind me what the method for burning a disk.img to CD is, when the image is meant to be written to a floppy instead?11:16
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diemanand 'the porn distro'11:16
vorlonazeem: well, this seems like the sort of bug I should be able to find a fix for without having to download another ISO. :)11:17
SmokingFirevorlon: What if you do a full smart upgrade in synaptic and also fix the broken packages?11:17
Kosai(I'd normally `dd if=disk.img of=/dev/fd0`, but the floppy drive's broken.)11:17
georgianot as if you get to see any real nudity11:17
vorlonSmokingFire: um, synaptic isn't available from the installer..? :)11:17
azeemvorlon: this is during 1st stage?11:17
vorlonazeem: yeah.  I mean, sure, I can hack the debootstrap script, but that seems wrong somehow. ;)11:17
SmokingFireI think your copy is then perhaps bad11:17
LinuxJonesKosai, you can rename the .img to .iso and burn it to cdrom. 11:18
sikkhKosai mkisofs -b?11:18
SmokingFirek3b does an automatic md5um when it finds it in the root of the iso11:18
azeemvorlon: which arch? I don't remember issues as bad as these for the preview11:18
georgiaKosai: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/floppy_image_on_cd.htm should be helpful11:18
vorlonazeem: i386.11:18
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SmokingFirevorlon: do you still have the original iso on your hd?11:18
azeemvorlon: a bad daily iso then, perhaps11:19
vorlonazeem: and they labelled it "20040915"?11:19
guptanis there any relation with Gnoppix Live CD & Ubuntu Linux?11:19
staticactivityany chance of getting firefox 1.0RC soon?11:19
SmokingFireDo an md5sum on the iso, I don't know if its possible todo md5ums on cd's11:19
azeemguptan: gnoppix used the ubuntu GNOME packages11:19
vorlonSmokingFire: yes, checking the md5sum now.11:19
azeemvorlon: not sure, this rather looks like a daily ISO to me11:19
SmokingFireazeem: to me too.11:20
guptanazeem: what about ubuntu live cd? is it same gnoppix or the other way?11:20
azeemvorlon: anyway, you could rsync the RC from the .iso probably11:20
vorlonSmokingFire: of course, the link I downloaded it from isn't there anymore. :)11:20
azeemguptan: they are not the same11:20
vorlonazeem: rsync url?11:20
azeemvorlon: sorry, I'm just lurking in here :)11:20
SmokingFiredamn yeah, daily build 11:20
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guptanazeem: so I better not ask questions about gnoppix here rt?11:21
WXis there a problem with the ubuntu release candidate? i get an error about bsdutils11:22
azeemguptan: amu is the main gnoppix guy, so you sure can ask questions :)11:22
SmokingFirevorlon: look here11:22
azeemguptan: but so far, gnoppix and ubuntu don't use the same LiveCD-technology, they just share some packages11:22
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guptanoh I just saw amu here, thanks for reminding that azeem11:23
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SmokingFireooh sorry11:24
azeemvorlon: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/preview/MD5SUMS11:24
SmokingFirevorlon: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/11:24
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WXanyone here install the release candidate?11:25
azeemvorlon: 20040915 is sooo last month :)11:25
raphatheantix: Okay, we've had another phone session. Can I talk to you about network-admin?11:25
SmokingFireyeah I don't see in there either11:25
SmokingFireonly one that comes close to yours is /cdimage/daily/20041009.111:25
guptanamu: in gnoppix I tried to start "networking"/"network-admin" but it quits without even showing up the nic. any idea whats wrong in my case?11:25
azeemthat's October 9th though, probably11:25
WXim guessing that's a no11:26
theantixrapha: go ahead, I'll do my best11:26
SmokingFireazeem: looks like its only october that they have.11:27
azeemvorlon: oh, another thing I heard were problems with burning and DMA, which might result in strange errors11:27
WXbsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb <-- bad on the RC iso?11:27
WXbsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb <-- bad on the RC iso?11:27
azeemWX: oh?11:27
raphatheantix: Okay, first off, we found a number of usability problems (my gf is totally computer-illiterate, so she's a good test subject). Are you interested in those?11:27
SmokingFireSorry vorlon you will need to download again11:27
swimhrmm trying to play freecol, and I get: No JVM found to run FreeCol. Please install a JVM (>= 1.4) to run FreeCol or set JAVA_HOME if it's not a JVM from a Debian Package.11:27
WXi am just checking if anyone else had same problem11:27
azeemWX: vorlon had11:27
swimwhat should I do?11:28
SmokingFirevorlon: do you have k3b installed?11:28
WXwhat's the fix?11:28
WXi've burned 2 cds now11:28
raphaOh and by the way, to whom it concerns: gedit shouldn't have an empty "Tools" menu by default; novice users are confused and think it is broken.11:28
WXboth same problem11:28
guptandoes ubuntu support bootsplash?11:28
rapha(I'd suggest enabling some sensible plugins, like document stats)11:28
jdubguptan: no11:28
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Mithrandirrapha: please file bugs in bugzilla, not on IRC. :)11:28
theantixrapha, you could post usability problems to the mailing list, or perhaps file a bug report (I'm just a user)11:28
jdubguptan: we'll have a fully user-space graphical boot process in Hoary11:28
guptanjdub: do I need to do a kernel patch to splash11:29
WXazeem, do you know a fix?11:29
jdubguptan: for our new one in Hoary, no11:29
guptanjdub: I was trying to follow this page: http://debblue.debian.net/faq.php#faq211:29
jdubguptan: if you wanted to *add* bootsplash to current Ubuntu, yes.11:29
jdubguptan: but it's really not worth it.11:29
azeemWX: no11:30
WXso im assuming it's a bad iso?11:30
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guptanjdub: you mean that bootsplash theme or doing kernel patches?11:30
raphatheantix: Oh. I thought you were responsible for network-admin :) (You sounded like you were, earlier)11:31
vorlonWX: I happen to have just had the same problem with the preview candidate; seems to be a case of a bad burn here.11:31
raphaSorry then11:31
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vorlonWX: did you check your md5sums of the ISO image and of the CD against the website?11:31
theantixrapha: just trying to be helpful, that's all :-)11:31
guptanjdub: when is Hoary release date set for? 2005?11:32
WXgoing to check cd11:32
WXhow do i check cd?11:32
jdubguptan: march preview, april final, yeah11:33
raphatheantix: Well, we don't get her WIFI going with network-admin, and I'm pretty sure it's not entirely our/the computers fault.11:33
guptanjdub: current version of ubuntu is PR right? so when is its actual release?11:33
azeemguptan: there's a release schedule on the wiki11:33
jdubguptan: we just shipped the release candidate11:34
jdubguptan: wartywarthog final is due on the 20th11:34
ggiswim: You'll have to install Java, then. See this in the FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.346970338711:35
guptanjdub: thanks for that info.11:35
malte`i think the man in the wallpaper is looking at the right woman's boobs...11:35
guptanjdub: I think ubuntu gonna spend a long time with me :)11:36
vorlonWX: cat /dev/cdrom | md5sum may or may not work; the more certain way involves dd and calculating the exact size of the image that was written to disk.11:36
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SmokingFirenot sure but if the iso has an md5um in its root, then k3b will automagically parse the md5um.11:38
SmokingFireIF ubuntu doesn't have an md5um in its root11:38
SmokingFirewait let me check11:38
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SmokingFireyup be ubuntu cd has an file called md5sum.txt in its root.11:39
SmokingFirevorlon: you could also check on your cd for it11:40
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swimhrmm trying to play freecol, and I get: No JVM found to run FreeCol. Please install a JVM (>= 1.4) to run FreeCol or set JAVA_HOME if it's not a JVM from a Debian Package.  what should I do?11:40
aitrusdid you install a jre?11:41
swimaitrus, no, does ubuntu not do that by default?11:41
guptanswim: you can get binary to install JVM/JRE from sun's site11:41
vorlonSmokingFire: that file contains md5sums of all files on the disk; not particularly interesting.  Anyway, I have my problem fixed already.11:42
aitrusswim: no.  most distro's don't.  just grab it from sun's site11:42
Merlin_solkaris, I'm good11:42
SmokingFiregot this link about java from here or something: http://frassle.rura.org/Directory/index?feed=806 (link is very slow)11:42
amuguptan: which kind of networkcard you're using ? 11:42
swimguptan, aitrus ok, but doesnt ubuntu have it in its package repositories?11:42
SmokingFirewhat is this erotic art everyone talks about?11:43
azeemSmokingFire: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8551#291096 has some links to screenshots11:44
amuSmokingFire: just download a iso and you'll see *eg*  11:44
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swimhrmm trying to set I/0 to 32 bit, on a laptop what would my device be for the harddrive?11:44
staticactivitythe new theme got me scared :(11:44
guptanamu: its an intel pro 100. ubuntu is working fine with it11:44
Solkarisgrats Merlin_11:45
vorlonswim: master HD on primary IDE is always /dev/hda.11:45
LinuxJonesswim, /dev/hda ?11:45
amuguptan: the module is loaded ?    11:45
ggiswim: No, Java is under restrictive licencing terms, and so Ubuntu can't include it. Here's a very good guide for making your own packages though: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian11:45
swimoh thanks ggi11:46
SmokingFirewell ok the pics are not to arty, looks more from clothing magazine.11:46
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ggiSmokingFire: Well, sans clothes.11:47
SmokingFirewell you only see a lot of skin11:47
guptanamu: not sure, can u help me to load the module. when I tried sudo network-admin a window came up, but it went off without doing anything11:47
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SmokingFirebut anyway I don't mind if they removed it. Not my style anyway.11:48
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guptanguys, what shud I install to enable browsing of windows shares from ubuntu. I can see them on nautilus but some problem in accessing windows shares11:48
guptani've smbclient installed already*11:48
SmokingFirebtw: what is this background called monthly calender? It seems the same as default.11:49
azeemguptan: it should just work11:49
amuguptan: first step, check if the driver-module is loaded, lsmod, if not, modprobe e100  11:49
guptanamu: let me check11:50
swimhrrm it seems on the sun site there is only i586 jre s that wont do for running on x86_64 will it?11:50
amuguptan: if you want something noncrypted like a commandline, run modconf ;) 11:50
Solkarislater all11:51
georgiaswim: yeah it will11:51
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swimok thanks11:51
ggiswim: I see AMD64 binaries on the Sun site. What kind of chip do you have?11:52
swimggi athlon 6411:53
ggiswim: Well, you'll be wanting the AMD64 ones then. They're at the bottom of the list, if you missed them.11:54
SmokingFireanyone using gdesklets?11:55
swimggi could you paste the url11:55
srijdub: ping11:55
srijdub: just to confirm the libldap2 package contains the evo patch right?11:56
willdoes anyone know how to set up the lpt port in ubuntu11:57
jdubsri: yeah11:57
srijdub: just making sure thats what youre changelog.Debian.Z file was saying..okay cool.11:57
ggiswim: Was it the JRE or JRE/JDK you were downloading?11:57
swimggi I guess jre :)11:57
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amuwill: easiest way open a browser,
ggiswim: I'll msg you. The URL is pretty long.11:58
swimoh heheh ok11:58

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