[12:00] <defendguin> what browser movie playin plugins exist for ubuntu?
[12:00] <defendguin> playing
[12:01] <pitti> carlos: oh, I never tried that out
[12:01] <pitti> carlos: I did unter sid, though, and it worked there
[12:01] <carlos> pitti: did you changed anything by hand?
[12:01] <pitti> carlos: I will try, just booting the iBook...
[12:01] <defendguin> possibly a totem plugin
[12:01] <carlos> Mine does not works
[12:01] <pitti> carlos: ugh, for sid I had to tweak many things...
[12:02] <pitti> carlos: what happens at your system? it records silence or the device cannot be read from?
[12:02] <carlos> pitti: the device does not exists
[12:03] <kamme> hello, I have a couple of questions. first; how to disable that clock sync at startup?
[12:04] <pitti> kamme: easiest is to remove the package 'ntpdate'
[12:04] <kamme> ok
[12:04] <Kosai> (If you don't want to do that, you can remove the ntp symlink from /etc/rc.d/rcX.d/.)
[12:04] <kamme> done ;)
[12:04] <kamme> too late :p
[12:05] <kamme> now, how do you share files tru samba?
[12:05] <kamme> I cant get it to work
[12:05] <SmokingFire> wmeddie: So would agree with a feature request?
[12:06] <pitti> carlos: I have a control, two pcm and a timer device
[12:06] <pitti> carlos: audio recorder does something, but I don't hear anything on playback
[12:06] <pitti> carlos: there's no mic in the mixer
[12:07] <carlos> so, same problem
[12:07] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: For Ubuntu's main button theme?
[12:07] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[12:07] <tortoise__> grrrrr I want the other firefox back
[12:07] <SmokingFire> wmeddie: yes
[12:08] <SmokingFire> talking about highlighting when mouse hovers over Application and Computer menu's
[12:08] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: I guess, but what do you have in mind? Brown highlighting of white?
[12:09] <Randomize> OK.  Pseudo-success.  I now have aac files playing back via gst-launch at the console level.  How do I get Rythymbox to recognize / add aac/m4a files to the library when I add a folder?
[12:09] <wm_eddie> 13167 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2633.400 FPS
[12:09] <wm_eddie> That's better.
[12:11] <SmokingFire> wmeddie: it depends on the theme.
[12:12] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: Well, if you use a different theme there's highlighting.
[12:12] <wm_eddie> But the Default Ubuntu one 'human' is brown.
[12:16] <Se7h> oh man
[12:16] <Se7h> i screwd it up
[12:16] <SmokingFire> wmeddie: I'm using gorilla now and there is no highlighting
[12:16] <Se7h> mounted /usr on another partition
[12:17] <Se7h> now i cant do anything
[12:17] <wm_eddie> oh I didn't notice.
[12:17] <wm_eddie> Human already has button highlighting.
[12:17] <Se7h> how can i acess fstab now ?
[12:17] <kamme> another question, I cant play any movie file. How can I fix that?
[12:17] <wm_eddie> Se7h: Single user mode
[12:18] <cfactor> umount is in /bin, no?
[12:18] <cfactor> am I just understanding your problem wrong?
[12:18] <entel> !
[12:18] <swim> hi trying to compile an app and am getting: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH  but I have gcc installed, and g++ (according to synaptic)
[12:18] <Se7h> w8
[12:19] <wm_eddie> swim: can you run gcc?
[12:20] <Se7h> seth@devil /usr $ sudo umount /dev/hda1
[12:20] <Se7h> -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory
[12:20] <Se7h> dam
[12:20] <swim> wm_eddie, just "gcc" or "sudo gcc" returns command not found
[12:20] <khronic> swim, i ran into that the other day..gcc-VersionNumber was available, but the ./configure script was looking for 'gcc'..so symlinking gcc to the version solved that problem
[12:20] <kamme> Se7h, download something like tomsrtbt and chroot
[12:20] <swim> khronic, ok great thank you
[12:21] <cfactor> you can just su, unless you haven't set the root password yet.
[12:21] <Se7h> kamme what is that?
[12:21] <swim> khronic, where is gcc-version located? in /usr/bin ?
[12:21] <swim> cfactor, I havent no, I forget how to do so
[12:22] <khronic> Yeah, /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 (for me)
[12:22] <cfactor> swim: I was responding to Se7h, but you can do "sudo passwd root"
[12:22] <khronic> ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[12:22] <swim> oh ok thanks cfactor
[12:22] <kamme> Se7h, a one floppy linux
[12:23] <kamme> I think it has chroot on it
[12:23] <Se7h> ah
[12:23] <SmokingFire> wmeddie: well the button highlighting has also room for improvement as I hardly see anything. 
[12:23] <Se7h> like floppix
[12:23] <kamme> you can use that to fix it
[12:23] <swim> thanks khronic, oh btw should I do most things like that with root "sudo" ?
[12:23] <cfactor> kamme: but that'd require a reboot anyways, right?
[12:23] <kamme> possebly, I don't know floppix ;)
[12:23] <kamme> cfactor, well, yes
[12:23] <SmokingFire> the icon of the button gets lighter but I think the area background should also change colors.
[12:23] <cfactor> so why not just boot single user mode?
[12:24] <kamme> ok, you explain him to do that then
[12:24] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: I guess you could ask
[12:24] <kamme> +how somewhere
[12:24] <khronic> swim, that particular command would require root privs, so yes.
[12:24] <SmokingFire> wm_eddie:how is that area called btw?
[12:24] <cfactor> Se7h: well first of all, have you set the root password yet?
[12:25] <wm_eddie> Awesome, Doom 3 works :) OK, I'm pretty much done configuring this.
[12:25] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: The "Button"
[12:25] <Se7h> cfactor no
[12:25] <Kamion> cfactor: you don't need to set the root password to boot single-user
[12:25] <Kamion> cfactor: if the root account is disabled, single-user will let you straight in
[12:25] <Kamion> (since you had physical access anyway and could just have done init=/bin/sh)
[12:26] <cfactor> Kamion: well, I was seeing if he can just su and umount w/o rebooting.
[12:27] <cfactor> how did this happen anyway?
[12:27] <cfactor> Se7h: just reboot into single user mode.
[12:27] <FLeiXiuS> I would set the root's pw then sudo -s 
[12:28] <Se7h> but do i have to set root pass?
[12:28] <FLeiXiuS> then do your mount tables accordingly
[12:28] <FLeiXiuS> Se7h, you can sudo without setting the pw
[12:28] <FLeiXiuS> its best if you do
[12:28] <FLeiXiuS> for security concerns
[12:28] <cfactor> FLeiXiuS: he can't do sudo, since it's in /usr/bin.
[12:29] <Se7h> oh ok
[12:29] <sivang> can anybody tell me how to enable logging in IRSSI ?
[12:29] <Se7h> i realt dodn't want to set a root pass
[12:29] <Se7h> *realy
[12:29] <cfactor> Se7h: why not?
[12:30] <Se7h> security reasons
[12:30] <kamme> you should, especially when you come on IRC
[12:30] <Se7h> on irc?
[12:30] <Se7h> uh?
[12:30] <Kamion> kamme: dude, irrelevant :)
[12:30] <Se7h> i'm here with a user
[12:30] <Se7h> didn't get the point
[12:31] <cfactor> does ubuntu just disable root password, or have it set to something random at install?
[12:31] <Kamion> cfactor: disable
[12:31] <Kamion> random would be daft
[12:31] <kamme> I know, but still
[12:31] <SmokingFire> can't you do it from Computer-->System Configuration -->User Managment: show all accounts?
[12:31] <swim> Im getting this error trying to compile an app, what am I lacking? checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[12:32] <cfactor> You're missing the perl XML::Parser module.
[12:32] <cfactor> :)
[12:32] <joem> libxml-parser-perl
[12:32] <swim> oh thank you :)
[12:33] <cfactor> I couldn't help you, since I'm not in front of my ubuntu machine.
[12:33] <swim> no problem thanks anyways :)
[12:34] <cfactor> but you could also just use cpan.
[12:34] <swim> man ubuntu has got to be the best experience Ive had with a non-official distro yet... especially for x86_64 !
[12:34] <Se7h> well then kamme, so i don't have to set a root pass to chroot
[12:34] <Se7h> right?
[12:35] <cfactor> I don't have any x86_64, but my install failed the first three times.
[12:35] <swim> wow not nice
[12:35] <kamme> Se7h, nope
[12:36] <Se7h> nope ?
[12:36] <Se7h> do i have to ?
[12:36] <kamme> no, you don't
[12:36] <Se7h> ah ok
[12:36] <Se7h> lol
[12:36] <Se7h> i remembered
[12:36] <kamme> heh
[12:36] <Se7h> i can boot gentoo livecd
[12:36] <Se7h> :)
[12:36] <kamme> for example :)
[12:36] <Se7h> ok then
[12:36] <kamme> then you can chroot
[12:36] <Se7h> brb
[12:37] <kamme> but
[12:37] <kamme> if someone else has a suggestion without a reboot, use that
[12:37] <cfactor> and then all glibc dependencies go nuts!
[12:37] <Se7h> i would apreciate it..
[12:37] <Se7h> brb
[12:38] <SmokingFire> what's the problem about kamme?
[12:38] <kamme> SmokingFire, he messed up his fstab
[12:39] <kamme> he moonted his /usr on some other partition
[12:39] <SmokingFire> I uses chroot and the loop device to succesfully install Yoper (linux dist) from Ubuntu some weeks ago.
[12:39] <SmokingFire> ah yeah I remember.
[12:40] <lupus_> anyone with nvidia drivers present?
[12:40] <SmokingFire> Easiest thing to do is to download daily build and reinstall and keep his home dir and all his settings will be still there.
[12:40] <SmokingFire> yup me
[12:40] <lupus_> SmokingFire, how do you get the nvidia driver loaded at boot?
[12:41] <swim> khronic, did you happen to get this error as well? configure: error: unable to find the GTK+ library
[12:41] <SmokingFire> I just use the package from synaptic (which is up to date I think) and insert the command the package description tells about
[12:42] <SmokingFire> but I read you can also enter something in /etc/modules
[12:42] <SmokingFire> will check hold on
[12:42] <lupus_> hmm
[12:42] <SmokingFire> ok
[12:42] <lupus_> I think the problem is with modprobe
[12:42] <SmokingFire> enter this in the terminal: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[12:43] <lupus_> look in /etc/modprobe.d/
[12:43] <SmokingFire> and enter the word nvidia
[12:43] <SmokingFire> last line in my case
[12:43] <lupus_> take a look in /etc/modprobe.d/ plz
[12:44] <SmokingFire> did you install the linux restricted package?
[12:44] <SmokingFire>  nvidia-kernel-nkc
[12:44] <lupus_> I used apt-get install nvidia*
[12:44] <SmokingFire> did you upgrade your kernel?
[12:44] <cfactor> what are the linux-restricted packages for anyway?
[12:44] <smeggy> Ooer. Gnome 2.8.1 :)
[12:45] <lupus_> idd SmokingFire that file should make modprobe load the driver
[12:45] <lupus_> if I'm not mistaking
[12:45] <cfactor> trying to remove the nvidia said it'll be removed as well.
[12:45] <lupus_> so I wonder why it doesn't
[12:45] <SmokingFire> well I noticed that if I upgraded my kernel from 386 compiled to linix-k7 in my case and didn't also install the restricted module it wouldn;t work
[12:46] <SmokingFire> Did you issue this command after installing the driver: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[12:46] <SmokingFire> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[12:47] <SmokingFire> and in /etc/modules is nvidia in there?
[12:49] <lupus_> I think loading of the module should work out of the box
[12:49] <SmokingFire> well they can't do it
[12:50] <SmokingFire> as its a binary driver
[12:50] <SmokingFire> but if you after a fresh install get the nividia driver and then do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable in the terminal it should work.
[12:52] <lupus_> with out of the box I mean after apt-get install the package
[12:52] <lupus_> not on install of the distro itself
[12:52] <SmokingFire> well in my case that was not a problem
[12:52] <lupus_> maybe a bad choice of words :)
[12:53] <mdz> lupus_: "on the edge of the box"
[12:53] <SmokingFire> however when I did a kernel update things got a bit more complicated.
[12:53] <SmokingFire> However the Yoper distro offers out of the box nvidia support.
[12:54] <SmokingFire> but's its kde based and a bit messy.
[12:54] <lupus_> who has rights on the wiki pages?
[12:54] <SmokingFire> ubuntu is nice and clean
[12:54] <lupus_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto has a big error
[12:54] <mdz> lupus_: everyone does, all you have to do is login
[12:54] <mdz> lupus_: what is the error?
[12:55] <lupus_> Disable GLCore. Also, the modules glx and dri should be enabled
[12:56] <mdz> lupus_: those are just notes from people who have tested it, and they predate the script
[12:56] <lupus_> but I will login :)
[12:56] <mdz> lupus_: the only part you need to pay attention to are the enumerated steps
[12:56] <lupus_> and edit it
[12:56] <mdz> everything under "Notes" should probably be tossed
[12:57] <SmokingFire> how do you login in the wiki?
[12:58] <mdz> SmokingFire: instructions are at the top of the front page
[12:58] <mdz> in italics :-)
[12:58] <SmokingFire> mdz: I disagree most of it can be tosses but it should have something that I found. E.g. if doing a kernel upgrade also download the restricted module package and everything will work.
[12:58] <mdz> SmokingFire: that's not necessary for new installs
[12:58] <mdz> or if you follow the UpgradeNotes
[01:01] <SmokingFire> well in my case it wouldn't boot into x until it had that package installed.
[01:01] <SmokingFire> but it could also be possible because at that time I used the drivers from the nvidia site.
[01:02] <CoconutPete> how can i enable my pci vidcard instead of using the onboard?
[01:05] <SmokingFire> Coco: Isn't that a bios option?
[01:06] <CoconutPete> it was originally set on pci, but when it'd boot to the os nothing was displayed on the monitor, so i switched to onboard in the bios to get a display
[01:06] <jsubl2> anybody around knowledgeable about the amd64 port
[01:08] <SmokingFire> Coco: I remember when I had an dell with onboard and a voodoo PCI. But at that time I was using mandrake.
[01:08] <CoconutPete> yea i remember not having a problem switching when i used mandrake before, yet i dont really remember how i got it done
[01:09] <goatboy> jsubl2: depends on your next question. :)
[01:10] <jsubl2> no cdrdao available.  and i can not get it to build
[01:10] <jsubl2> k3b requires cdrdao
[01:10] <SmokingFire> I installed with the onboard but at the x conf of the installer it should me ximera (or somethin like that) and I disable the onboard and choose my voodoo. Then had to change the bios and monitor input adapter and it would use my voodoo.
[01:12] <CoconutPete> i'll try a reboot, brb
[01:14] <jsubl2> goatboy  no idea
[01:14] <goatboy> jsubl2: this is strongly discouraged, but if you want to try your luck you can try the debian-amd64 package.
[01:15] <jsubl2> goatboy, yeah I would have preferred to build it.  maybe i will file a bug
[01:18] <tck> for setting ur PATH in ubuntu its .bash_profile ?
[01:19] <jsubl2> goatboy, kinda of funny in the debian-amd64 channel they refer folks occasionally to ubuntu package
[01:21] <robertj> doh!
[01:21] <robertj> just had my ppc setup rolling and then...logic board :(
[01:22] <lupus_> YES
[01:22] <lupus_> I found why it doesn't work :)
[01:23] <lupus_> autoloading the nvidia driver :D
[01:23] <tck> is there a way to set adjustments to .bash_profile without restarting X ?
[01:25] <SmokingFire> lupus_ why?
[01:25] <Randomize> OK, so ... apparenty running rhythmbox from the console with the -d parameter per this post is ... inadvisable. :)
[01:25] <lupus_> I think because of udev
[01:26] <lupus_> crw-rw----    1 root     video    195,   0 Oct 13 01:22 nvidia0
[01:26] <lupus_> crw-rw----    1 root     video    195, 255 Oct 13 01:22 nvidiactl
[01:26] <swim> what package has: libgnomeui-2.0.p ?
[01:26] <SmokingFire> whats a good tool to rip audio cd's? Sound juicer doesn't allow me to enable to personal settings.
[01:27] <swim> SmokingFire, grip
[01:27] <SmokingFire> lupus_ what hardware are you using? Just asking
[01:27] <Randomize> Newbie question:  How do I tile windows on a gnome desktop?
[01:28] <SmokingFire> thats a good one
[01:28] <lupus_>     * Debian users do not have a local.start file, but can add devices not created with /etc/udev/links.conf . So if using Debian, add to links.conf:
[01:28] <lupus_>       M nvidia0 c 195 0
[01:28] <lupus_>       M nvidia1 c 195 1
[01:28] <lupus_>       M nvidiactl c 195 255
[01:28] <lupus_> crap
[01:28] <lupus_> many lines again
[01:28] <SmokingFire> lupus_ just the hardware 
[01:29] <lupus_> geforce3 ti500 on amd xp
[01:29] <SmokingFire> like intel PIV on via something
[01:29] <lupus_> via kt600
[01:29] <SmokingFire> what chipset?
[01:29] <SmokingFire> ok
[01:29] <SmokingFire> I'm using geforece 4 mx on nforce 2 ultra
[01:29] <SmokingFire> with amd xp
[01:30] <SmokingFire> should be basically the same
[01:30] <SmokingFire> so whats in your /etc/modules now?
[01:31] <lupus_> nothing
[01:31] <lupus_> the problem is because of udev
[01:31] <lupus_> it goes like this
[01:32] <SmokingFire> now add the line nvidia to your /etc/modules file
[01:32] <lupus_> :)
[01:32] <SmokingFire>  how do you see the rights of drivers like you printed?
[01:32] <SmokingFire> then I can show you mine
[01:33] <lupus_> ls -l /dev | grep 195
[01:33] <robert38> trying to install limewire. Says VM must be installed. How.
[01:34] <SmokingFire> prints out the same as you:
[01:34] <SmokingFire> crw-rw----    1 root     video    195,   0 Oct 12 21:52 nvidia0
[01:34] <SmokingFire> crw-rw----    1 root     video    195, 255 Oct 12 21:52 nvidiactl
[01:34] <SmokingFire> but it works
[01:34] <SmokingFire> so its not that
[01:35] <SmokingFire> just add to /etc/modules and make sure your xconfig is using nvidia and not nv
[01:36] <lupus_> euhm
[01:36] <lupus_> is your nvidia driver loades?
[01:36] <SmokingFire> yes
[01:37] <SmokingFire> every time I boot up and gdm loads I see the nvidia logo
[01:37] <SmokingFire> it's real easy actually. As on my computer apt get nvdia and then sudo nvidia-install enable just works.
[01:39] <WW_> Anyone know what port a webmail server (OWA) would use?
[01:40] <WW_> (Does that question even make sense?  I don't know much about how webmail works.)
[01:42] <SmokingFire> isn't just port 80?
[01:42] <SmokingFire> like http as webmail is just http right?
[01:42] <robert38> Need to know how to Java virtual machine. Any help.
[01:43] <swim> can anyone help here, trying to "make" an app: http://pastebin.com/109770
[01:44] <wm_eddie> robert38: what do you mean how to Java VM?
[01:44] <robert38> Im trying to install LimeWire. Wont install tells me I need JAVA virtual machine installed first. Not sure what it is it wants.
[01:45] <wm_eddie> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[01:45] <wm_eddie> check that out, and add the java section to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <wm_eddie> and install it.
[01:46] <robert38> tnx
[01:46] <WW_> SmokingFire: I did some googling, and yes, it appear to be 80 (or 443 for https)
[01:48] <SmokingFire> lupus_ look at the is thread at the user mailinglist of ubuntu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005521.html its really like your problem. Read the whole thread btw.
[01:48] <manager> robert38, or you could follow this "tutorial" -> http://frassle.rura.org/Directory/index?feed=806
[01:48] <knewt> could someone please explain why firefox has been downgraded to 0.9.3? and please tell me there's a source.list line i can use to get it back, as several of my installed extensions won't work on the earlier version
[01:49] <tck> anyone download the jre 1.4 ?
[01:49] <tck> java 
[01:49] <robert38> I'll try both.
[01:49] <tck> theres a page up about it on the FAQ i think
[01:51] <WW_> knewt: From what I've heard here (and you could also probably find information on the mailing list), there were bugs that caused Firefox to crash.  Sorry, can't help you with the second part of your question.
[01:51] <lupus_> how can I see the version of an installed package?
[01:51] <Kamion> lupus_: dpkg -l package-name
[01:51] <lupus_> thx
[01:53] <jazzka> what tools has ubuntu to open rar files?
[01:54] <SmokingFire> Archive Manager?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> jazzka, you need unrar. >> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar
[01:57] <jazzka> I get errors when trying "apt-get install unrar"
[01:57] <jazzka> Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:57] <jazzka> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:57] <jazzka> is only available from another source
[01:57] <knewt> hmm, wierd. firefox "claimed" that the extensions/themes don't work with the downgraded version, but re-enabling them works :/
[01:58] <tck> jazzka, http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unrar/unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb
[01:58] <WW_> jazzka: I haven't tried it, but the package unrar-nonfree is available in multiverse
[01:59] <jazzka> tck, where do I put that package?
[01:59] <tck> wget it then install it with 'dpkg -i unrar etc..
[02:01] <tck> anyone tried any good P2P that works well with ubuntu
[02:01] <tck> any recommendations ?
[02:02] <jazzka> mldonkey is a good one
[02:02] <tck> mldonkey ?
[02:02] <wm_eddie> I heard eDonkey is bigger than Kazaa
[02:02] <_1haender> tck, #mldonkey
[02:03] <CoconutPete> anyone know how to enable a pci vidcard instead of onboard?  going through the bios does not work
[02:03] <tck>  cheers, are there any as .debs ?
[02:03] <lupus_> CoconutPete, boot from pci did not help?
[02:03] <LinuxJones> tck, Apollon is very good. It's a KDE app but will work in Gnome I would imaging.
[02:04] <knewt> i'd recommend going for one of the *mule clients (amule and xmule are in ubuntu), as they're much nicer to the network than mldonkey is
[02:04] <_1haender> tck, there are, but there are reported "difficulties", however you can always and easily build from source
[02:04] <wm_eddie> tck: uh apt-get install mldonkey?
[02:04] <CoconutPete> when i booted with pci selected, the monitor just displayed black
[02:04] <tck> wm_eddie, didn't work for us :/
[02:04] <wm_eddie> ahh
[02:04] <CoconutPete> it shows up in the device manager though
[02:04] <_1haender> packages are named mldonkey-server and mldonkey-gui 
[02:05] <_1haender> not sure about -gui, might be -client instead
[02:05] <WW_> "apt-cache search donkey" shows mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server
[02:05] <tck> ah :) i see mldonkey can handle torrents too
[02:06] <tck> _1haender, thx
[02:08] <defendguin> does ubuntu have a gui for adding a smb share?
[02:08] <Keybuk> defendguin: a local one?  or do you want an icon to get at a remote smb share?
[02:09] <Phr0stByte> Can any1 tell me what I need to do to ebable SCSI emulation for my berner?
[02:09] <SmokingFire> from nautulis File-->Connect to share and then choose windows share
[02:10] <defendguin> i want to share a directory
[02:10] <Phr0stByte> *burner
[02:10] <Keybuk> defendguin: there is no GUI for samba.  You need to edit the config file yourself
[02:10] <defendguin> oh well
[02:11] <Keybuk> it was way out of scope for warty; I'd like to see one in future though -- probably just through a "Sharing" tab in nautilus
[02:11] <tck> ok, i have one cd-r ; whats the best for burning data to it ?
[02:11] <Keybuk> I think I remember seeing much activity upstream
[02:11] <tck> i dont want to meess it up :))
[02:12] <defendguin> Keybuk, i expect the rendevouz howl deal to be in the next release
[02:12] <defendguin> doesnt help much with windows shares though
[02:12] <Keybuk> defendguin: yeah, and windows stuff should hook into that
[02:12] <SmokingFire> Keybuk: I hope it will not be like in windows were everything is shared by default.
[02:12] <Keybuk> SmokingFire: samba isn't even installed by default
[02:13] <defendguin> SmokingFire, you just share a directory
[02:14] <SmokingFire> Well just that I don't want to share anything until explicitly say so and only that directory.
[02:14] <GOwin> how do i configure a modem i just added to my ubuntu box? this isn't like PNP in windows
[02:15] <Phr0stByte> Can any1 tell me what I need to do to ebable SCSI emulation for my burner?
[02:15] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, you shouldnt need to do that
[02:16] <defendguin> your using a 2.6 kernel right?
[02:16] <Phr0stByte> yes
[02:16] <defendguin> well you dont need scsi emulation to burn
[02:16] <Phr0stByte> defendguin: cdrecord says I do
[02:17] <defendguin> cdrecord is wrong
[02:17] <defendguin> cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom
[02:17] <Phr0stByte> can I pm you the output?
[02:17] <defendguin> sure go ahead
[02:17] <SmokingFire> does the linux kernel do anything to optimize the IO of an IDE HD like the controller does of a scsi drive?
[02:18] <defendguin> Phr0stByte, why are you using commandline anyway?
[02:18] <Kamion> Phr0stByte: cdrecord is obsessed with SCSI, it's not necessary
[02:22] <Se7h> hey
[02:23] <Se7h> im trying to copy /usr
[02:23] <Se7h> but i dont seem to get the right flags on cp
[02:23] <Se7h> :|~
[02:23] <housetier> which problem are you trying to solve?
[02:24] <geek_punk> 0cp -rf ??
[02:25] <SmokingFire> Se7H: you can't format and save your self much time and effort? Just same the home partition.
[02:25] <SmokingFire> same = save --> use the same home partition
[02:26] <Se7h> "use" ?
[02:26] <SmokingFire> If you have broadband its no big deal
[02:26] <Se7h> where is that?
[02:27] <SmokingFire> When installing ubuntu you can tell it to use an seperate partition for home like you have done now for /usr.
[02:27] <SmokingFire> however in home all user settings are saved so when reinstalling everything will be like it was.
[02:28] <Se7h> hmm
[02:28] <Se7h> probably i'll just do that
[02:28] <Se7h> so
[02:28] <SmokingFire> even stuff like browser settings and email settings and any other applications
[02:28] <Se7h> cp /home ?
[02:29] <SmokingFire> hmm, well don't know if you are using a seperate partition for home at this moment
[02:29] <SmokingFire> maybe someone here can tell you and me how to check for that.
[02:29] <Se7h> as a metter a fact i am
[02:30] <SmokingFire> if you are then it should be ok but if like me after the install you will see some icons without icons, then don't worry just do an update
[02:31] <SmokingFire> make sure that at the partition stage of the installer that you select the home partition that you are using now and enter: Do nothing and mount point = /home
[02:32] <SmokingFire> Also I recommoned formating the swap partition as that much faster then checking it for errors as the installer does now if you  don't format it.
[02:33] <tck> you know the way gnome handles folder, i've been looking thru the config editor and can't seem to locate the options
[02:33] <tck> for example, refreshing the folder or simple, back and forward options for browsing
[02:34] <SmokingFire> and how old is the iso that you use now? if more then a week or two then I reccomend downloading the daily build then doing update during installation.
[02:35] <SmokingFire> tck: this isn't a gnome api question?
[02:35] <tck> nope
[02:35] <tck> say u create a folder on the desktop
[02:35] <tck> then click into it and create other folders, annonyances like opens in a new folder and you can't press back etc..
[02:35] <mdz> tck: this is in the FAQ
[02:35] <mdz> the one in the topic
[02:35] <tck> thx mdz
[02:36] <tck> *mental note* read faq first :)
[02:36] <tvon>  /topic
[02:36] <tvon> er
[02:37] <Se7h> SmokingFire
[02:37] <Se7h> resuming...
[02:37] <Se7h> install ubuntu all over
[02:37] <SmokingFire> ooh you mean just nautilus settings
[02:37] <Se7h> with my /home partition
[02:38] <SmokingFire> Se7h:Yeah
[02:38] <GOwin> what do i need to do to create a dialin to share my box's internet connection remotely?
[02:38] <SmokingFire> I think its faster then messing 
[02:39] <SmokingFire> It perhaps takes an hour to reinstall ubuntu and many hours to get your /usr at the right place.
[02:40] <tvon> Anyone know why firefox was downgraded recently?
[02:41] <Se7h> SmokingFire just one thing
[02:41] <Se7h> at partition stage
[02:41] <SmokingFire> gnome should have a startup wizzard asking if you want spatial browsing or browser like file managment
[02:42] <Se7h> how do i define a mount point for the /home partition ?
[02:42] <jimi> hi!
[02:42] <steveod> anyone tried out the doom3 demo in ubuntu
[02:42] <SmokingFire> tvon: but many people don't I had spatial on my amiga 1200 and I hated it.
[02:42] <tvon> SmokingFire: yes, a lot of people don't like it
[02:42] <SmokingFire> Se7h let me thing and remember
[02:43] <steveod> i don't think the amiga 1200 remembered where you left the window though
[02:43] <Se7h> i aske this
[02:43] <Se7h> *ask
[02:43] <SmokingFire> Se7h are you installing now?
[02:43] <jimi> sorry, was the audigy problem discussed somewhere? or did someone managed to make this soundcard work under ubuntu?
[02:43] <Se7h> because when i reinstaled ubuntu once
[02:43] <Se7h> i couldn't use the partitions i had
[02:43] <Se7h> SmokingFire no
[02:43] <Se7h> i uzse ubuntu for primary OS
[02:43] <SmokingFire> you did choose manually partition?
[02:44] <Se7h> sure
[02:44] <Se7h> io dont like automatic stuff
[02:44] <SmokingFire> before you continue do you have a back up of your important files?
[02:44] <jimi> hehe i too use ubuntu for primary (and my sister too)
[02:44] <jimi> too bad i dont have sound :/
[02:44] <Se7h> yes
[02:44] <Se7h> that i do
[02:45] <Se7h> but since its possible
[02:45] <SmokingFire> steveod: You could use the snapshot option in Amiga OS 3,0
[02:45] <Se7h> i would like to mantain my /home dir
[02:45] <SmokingFire> Se7h: Just to be sure
[02:45] <Kamion> tvon: too many bugs in 1.0PR1 for us to consider it supportable; see the mailing lists and Bugzilla
[02:45] <steveod> SmokingFire; true, i have mine with 3.9 but i rarely turn it on anymore
[02:46] <SmokingFire> Ok choose manually partition then create or re-use the partitions you have
[02:46] <SmokingFire> now
[02:46] <tvon> Kamion: aight, thanks
[02:46] <SmokingFire> you need a partition for / and /home and swap
[02:47] <SmokingFire> so if you have already three partitions thats great
[02:47] <jimi> Kamion : are there hardware support related problems in bugzilla?
[02:47] <SmokingFire> or do you already all know all this stuff?
[02:47] <swim> hi, Ive got a printer connected to a router, and want to add it to my printers, so I suppose I go to Computer-> System Configuration->Printers, then add a printer, then network printer then CUPS right? but what do I put in URI ?
[02:47] <Kamion> jimi: yes
[02:48] <SmokingFire> steveod: me neither but now and then I use an amiga emulator.
[02:48] <jimi> arghh
[02:48] <Kamion> jimi: depends on your hardware
[02:48] <jimi> bad news : i dont see audigy problem, yet mine doesnt work T_T
[02:48] <SmokingFire> There is even a site to download amiga software for free and legal.
[02:48] <steveod> SmokingFire; my floppy died, and I am too cheap to buy a new one, so little use, just waiting for new version of pirates now
[02:48] <seth_> erg
[02:48] <seth_> se7h here
 Ok choose manually partition then create or re-use the partitions you have
 but thats my point
 how do i re-use it
 the /home in this case
 when the partition stage comes
 it shows up all partitionsd
 but with no mount points
[02:49] <seth_> right?
[02:49] <SmokingFire> steveod: Ulitmate Amiga Emulator works great
[02:49] <SmokingFire> seth it does
[02:49] <jazzka> do anyone know how to burn a file + cue into a cd throw the command line?
[02:49] <seth_> uh? it does?
[02:49] <seth_> does what?
[02:50] <SmokingFire> ok, it hard for me to remember as I do it with out thinking
[02:50] <bob2> jazzka: use cdrdao.
[02:50] <SmokingFire> allows you to set mount points
[02:50] <seth_> i guess so
[02:50] <seth_> but last time
[02:50] <jimi> ill try with custom kernel
[02:50] <SmokingFire> ok you select your partition on which you want to work in the installer
[02:51] <seth_> i couldn't find where to define the mount point for each of the partitions
[02:51] <SmokingFire> then there should be an option 
[02:51] <seth_> w8
[02:52] <seth_> instead of this
[02:52] <SmokingFire> Shit when this is done I will install ubuntu in vmware and take screen shots for the wiki
[02:52] <seth_> i can just copy the whole /home elsewhere
[02:52] <zenwhen> Hey
[02:52] <seth_> anda then put it back
[02:52] <seth_> right?
[02:52] <swim> anybody? hi, Ive got a printer connected to a router, and want to add it to my printers, so I suppose I go to Computer-> System Configuration->Printers, then add a printer, then network printer then CUPS right? but what do I put in URI ?
[02:52] <zenwhen> has anyone set up a 6800 series Nvidia card in Ubuntu?
[02:53] <SmokingFire> seth_ well if you don;t mind loosing the settings then go ahead
[02:53] <seth_> why?
[02:53] <steveod> swim; with mine it is the ip and then L1
[02:53] <seth_> wont it work ?
[02:53] <SmokingFire> the user settings are saved in hidden files
[02:53] <bob2> SmokingFire: screenshots of plain ubuntu running in vmware?
[02:53] <seth_> yeah i know
[02:54] <seth_> i would copy the hidden files to
[02:54] <SmokingFire> bob2: yes or virtual pc
[02:54] <steveod> swim; can you print to it via something else? if so what are those settings
[02:54] <bob2> SmokingFire: there's plenty of screenshots on there already...
[02:54] <swim> steveod, I just set it up on a windows printer, and i used the ip alone, and yes I can print with that
[02:54] <SmokingFire> Personally I tried copying the settings files but it didn't work out for me.
[02:55] <SmokingFire> bob2:Any on installation?
[02:55] <steveod> swim; what kind of router is it?
[02:55] <bob2> SmokingFire: ?
[02:55] <swim> steveod,  its a belkin wireless
[02:55] <SmokingFire> bob2: Installing ubuntu
[02:55] <swim> though Im not connected wirelessly
[02:55] <SmokingFire> like seth_ has now
[02:55] <zenwhen> has anyone set up a 6800 series Nvidia card in Ubuntu?
[02:55] <seth_> SmokingFire  hmmm, does /home contain symlinks ?
[02:55] <steveod> swim; i wasn't questioning whether it worked just wanted to know if you had an example to copy or something
[02:56] <SmokingFire> zenwhen: it should be different from any other nvidia card?
[02:56] <steveod> swim; anyways on mine i have it set to network printer - unix lpd with the host as the ip and then the queue name
[02:57] <seth_> why the hell my nickname wont drop ?
[02:57] <ForsaKen`> i have opened an israeli apt-get mirror, who should i mail/msg, so it will be added to the site? http://ubuntu.sam-hosting.co.il/
[02:57] <ForsaKen`> 100MBiT mirror
[02:58] <zenwhen> SmokingFire, no matter how I configure my xorg.conf I am told that no devices exist.
[02:58] <zenwhen> I have no issues with any other distro.
[02:58] <seth_> zenwhen use xf86
[02:58] <seth_> "does it better"
[02:58] <zenwhen> I mean xfree
[02:58] <seth_> ah
[02:59] <mdz> ForsaKen`: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:59] <seth_> SmokingFire  hmmm, does /home contain symlinks ?
[02:59] <mdz> ForsaKen`: you can add yourself to the list, please email the address there to provide contact information
[02:59] <zenwhen> I really want to switch to Ubuntu tonight
[02:59] <SmokingFire> seth_ I'm sorry but I can't remember of head but at a certain point in manual partition you set the mount point in a drop down list, some options are "/", "root", "/home", "/usr" and "/var" It's also when you choose for the filesystem type {ext2,ext3,reister,jfs] 
[02:59] <ForsaKen`> oh i see ok thanks
[02:59] <mdz> zenwhen: you might need the proprietary driver
[03:00] <SmokingFire> zenwhen:ubuntu still uses xfree86
[03:00] <seth_> i know that drop down menu
[03:00] <seth_> but it only appears on "new" partitions
[03:00] <seth_> at least i only saw it that time
[03:00] <SmokingFire> no, it should appear on all paritions
[03:01] <Hmmmmm_> SmokingFire, has debian unstable moved to X.org yet?
[03:01] <jimi> for a sound card, what else than lspci to list the device and modprobe *module* should i check?
[03:01] <SmokingFire> The ubunutu I'm using now I re-used my home partition
[03:01] <steveod> swim; does that work?
[03:01] <SmokingFire> Hmmmmmm_ they may but ubuntu hasn't
[03:02] <SmokingFire> Some techincal issues moving to x.org
[03:02] <swim> steveod, havent tried yet :) I will in a sec
[03:02] <SmokingFire> x.org might/will be default server in the next version.
[03:02] <steveod> i look forward to the move to x.org, the drop shadows and fade in/out looked very nice when i was using archlinux
[03:02] <steveod> a little flaky, but very promising
[03:03] <SmokingFire> I think x does to much
[03:03] <Hmmmmm_> can one apt-get x.org?
[03:03] <steveod> jimi; can you do alsaconf?
[03:03] <SmokingFire> x should be pure graphics. input should be another server
[03:04] <SmokingFire> gstreamer looks like the media server on beos actually.
[03:04] <theantix> Hmmmmm_: when I checked a few days ago, even debian experimental didn't have xorg packages
[03:04] <steveod> speaking of x, doom3 keeps killing my x
[03:04] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[03:04] <jimi> command not found :/
[03:04] <jimi> i mist apt somrthing i guess
[03:04] <jimi> must
[03:05] <steveod> jimi; i wasn't sure with ubuntu, mine setup automatically so i never worried, i have used that though on other distros
[03:05] <jimi> ok
[03:05] <SmokingFire> if you add documents formats to gstreamer like pdf, word2000, openoffice and others, things would be better.
[03:05] <SmokingFire> seth_ sorry I could not help you more
[03:05] <steveod> jimi; what kind of sound card
[03:06] <jimi> audigy
[03:06] <SmokingFire> seth_: but I only have the virtual machines (vmware, virtual pc) for Windows.
[03:06] <Randomize> My god, gst-plugins is compiling the faad plugin without errors.  I must have done something wrong! :)
[03:07] <steveod> jimi; doesn't the audigy just use the emu10k1 driver?
[03:07] <jimi> yes
[03:07] <jimi> or at least, it should
[03:07] <jimi> snd-emu10k1 is loaded
[03:07] <jimi> but no /dev/* things
[03:08] <steveod> do modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[03:08] <steveod> if you haven't
[03:08] <jimi> hum, not better
[03:09] <steveod> what does alsamixer give you? just errors?
[03:09] <jimi> wow alsamixer seems to work
[03:10] <jimi> but gnome keeps shouting pc speaker beeps
[03:10] <steveod> jimi; you can mute the pc speaker somewhere in the mixer
[03:11] <jimi> but what is the mixer in ubuntu menu?
[03:11] <jimi> this one is not working
[03:12] <steveod> well i would try logging out and then back in or maybe restarting the esd daemon, snd-pcm-oss is usually in charge of the mixer emulation and such so maybe it wasn't loaded completely and gnome is unaware of it right now
[03:12] <steveod> jimi; hope it works, later
[03:13] <SmokingFire> When will there be mouse short cuts like there are keyboards short cuts?
[03:17] <wm_eddie> dircolors: `/etc/DIR_COLORS': No such file or directory
[03:17] <wm_eddie> I'm getting that error every time I start gnome-terminal.  Anyone know how to get Gnome-terminal to stop trying to open that file?
[03:18] <tvon> wm_eddie: do you have bashrc's (or whatever shell you are using) from before Ubuntu?
[03:18] <wm_eddie> tvon: yes.
[03:19] <wm_eddie> eval `dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS`
[03:19] <wm_eddie> found it.
[03:19] <wm_eddie> so, should I comment that line?
[03:19] <wm_eddie> well that worked.
[03:21] <tvon> wm_eddie: yeah, get rid of that.  There is no dircolors command in the default .bashrc
[03:21] <seth_> well then
[03:21] <ficusplanet> Is there anyway to remove the "About Ubuntu..." and/or "Help" launchers?
[03:21] <seth_> lets hope it works
[03:27] <swim> trying to play a game (planeshift) and am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/109782
[03:27] <swim> couuld anyone assist?
[03:30] <swim> hello?
[03:31] <Kosai> swim: It asks you to use the -verbose option.
[03:31] <merriam> planeshift?
[03:31] <merriam> that's not an ubuntu package, right?
[03:31] <swim> merriam, no I got it from planeshift website
[03:32] <swim> Kosai, that gives the same results
[03:32] <Kosai> I suggest that you aren't properly linked to glut.  But your question is off-topic here.
[03:32] <merriam> you're probably better off asking somwhere related to planeshift rather than ubuntu
[03:32] <swim> you know I was wondering though, if this was compiled for 32 bit, and Im running ubuntu x86_64 it would work would it?
[03:38] <Randomize> OK, anyone have time for a Rhythmbox question?  I have successfully compiled the faad plugin for gstreamer, registered it, and proven it works by playing a file with gst-launch at the console.  My understanding was that Rhythymbox 0.8.4 and higher are supposed to dynamically support the audio/x-m4a datatype if the faad plugin is present and registered, but I still can't add m4a files to the library.  Is there anything about the way gstreame
[03:38] <Randomize> r 0.8.5 is packaged into ubuntu that could be causing this?
[03:38] <Randomize> Gah, that was longer than I thought, sorry.
[03:40] <Pete-Gas> anyone know of a repository with ncpfs?
[03:41] <pedro_g> pendrive question - can i have it mount with the label name rather than the device name?
[03:42] <jamesh> pedro_g: I don't think pmount supports that yet (pmount is the mount policy daemon for ubuntu)
[03:43] <tck> have anyone gotten java to run ?
[03:43] <pedro_g> k thnx will check that out - so ubuntu is not using udev?
[03:43] <tck> i downloaded the jre 1.4v.
[03:44] <tck> i get tux@pluto /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/bin $ ./java
[03:44] <tck> Error occurred during initialization of VM
[03:44] <tck> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[03:44] <jamesh> pedro_g: it is using udev and hal
[03:44] <jamesh> pedro_g: udev is just one part of the solution.
[03:46] <pedro_g> jamesh: oi i've been using the gui config tools for too long.  udev isn't linked in my /etc/rc5.d/  how is the udev daemon started?
[03:47] <Kamion> 5 is not the default runlevel anyway
[03:48] <pedro_g> thought 5 was X and multiple user?  guess it's 2?
[03:49] <aitrus> have there really been at least 49 updates released since last nite?
[03:49] <Kamion> pedro_g: that's Red Hat and derived distributions
[03:50] <Kamion> pedro_g: Debian has always had 2, 3, 4, 5 identical, sysadmin gets to customise
[03:50] <Kamion> aitrus: wouldn't surprise me
[03:50] <Kamion> aitrus: we got a lot of GNOME 2.8.1 uploads today
[03:50] <pedro_g> kamion: thnx inittab says 2 - is it best to do the links myself or is there a standard config tool?
[03:51] <aitrus> Kamion: thanks... i just applied about 100 last nite and wondered if maybe i was goofing with something
[03:53] <Kamion> pedro_g: there should already be a startup link in /etc/rcS.d/
[03:54] <Kamion> aitrus: should slow right down from now on
[03:55] <aitrus> Kamion: is that cause the full release is about done and out?
[03:59] <Kamion> aitrus: working on the release candidate now
[03:59] <dewey> ok I am confussed on how sudo works.
[04:00] <dewey> what command to get as sudo?
[04:00] <Kamion> 'sudo <whatever command you want to execute as root>'
[04:00] <aitrus> dewey: say: sudo commandToRunAsRoot
[04:00] <aitrus> (in a console/terminal)
[04:01] <pedro_g> ic - so rcS.d scripts are executed first and then rc2.d scripts 
[04:02] <dewey> hmmm I need to find out if parport is installed my printer does not work?
[04:03] <aitrus> dewey: lsmod | grep paraport
[04:03] <pedro_g> dewey: lsmod will show the modules installed in the.... 
[04:03] <pedro_g> et voila
[04:03] <Kamion> pedro_g: right
[04:05] <dewey> parport_pc  so it seems to be installed.
[04:07] <dewey> ok printer is now working printing a mozilla page :)
[04:11] <hazmat> anybody have any ideas on how to print to a cups shared printed attached to a mac from linux?
[04:11] <GOwin> anyone here using egroupware? i can't get past step 1 installation on ubuntu.
[04:11] <dewey> hazmat: so where is linux box on the network?
[04:12] <hazmat> dewey, there both on a private network w/ a dhcp server/router thingy - 192.168.1.21 (mac) - 192.168.1.23 (ubuntu laptop)
[04:13] <hazmat> with osx it just uses.. cups discovery i guess and finds it.
[04:13] <dewey> hazmat: with my mdk box it found my printer on my other linux box automatically.
[04:14] <dewey> hazmat: from ubuntu laptop see if you can network printer/
[04:17] <hazmat> no joy, i'm not sure what you meant by printer.. but i tried entering printer for the ipp addr of a cups printer
[04:20] <hazmat> got it i put ServerName 192.168.1.21 into /etc/cups/client.conf
[04:20] <hazmat> cool
[04:24] <aitrus> is there a way to make fam not put .trash files on smb shares?
[04:25] <aitrus> when i mount an smb share using smbmount, fam locks it up by opening up a .trash file/dir
[04:25] <aitrus> so i can't unmount it
[04:40] <tvon> YEAH BOSTON
[04:40] <GOwin> help. i renamed my account to somethign else. now i can't do sudo as my new name is not part of the sudoers list
[04:40] <X0563511> question... would it be better to get the livecd or the warthog prerelease?
[04:40] <Kamion> GOwin: boot with init=/bin/sh, fix /etc/sudoers
[04:41] <GOwin> is that all im supposed to do?
[04:41] <bob2> yes.
[04:41] <bob2> X0563511: what do you want to do with it?
[04:41] <GOwin> now, how do i boot like that?
[04:42] <Kamion> the recovery option in Ubuntu's default grub menu would do, in fact
[04:42] <Kamion> press Escape at the grub countdown at boot time, select recovery
[04:42] <GOwin> ok. i'll reboot then
[04:43] <GOwin> anything else
[04:43] <Kamion> if recovery mode doesn't work, press 'e' to edit the command line for the default option and stick 'init=/bin/sh' at the end of it; from that point there's keystroke help at the bottom of the screen
[04:44] <GOwin> after i boot, do i do anything else?
[04:44] <Kamion> 'nano /etc/sudoers'
[04:44] <Kamion> change username
[04:44] <Kamion> reboot
[04:45] <aitrus> aren't you supposed to use visudo to edit taht?
[04:45] <GOwin> hmm im on the command line
[04:45] <GOwin> bash
[04:45] <GOwin> ?
[04:45] <bob2> aitrus: nothing else will be running in this mode
[04:46] <bob2> GOwin: type what Kamion said
[04:46] <GOwin> got it.
[04:46] <aitrus> bob2: that's what i get for only reading half the conversation
[04:47] <Kamion> aitrus: yes, but I wasn't sure if $EDITOR would be something he was familiar with
[04:47] <Kamion> bob2: it's not just locking, visudo validates the file
[04:47] <bob2> ah, true.
[04:48] <bob2> well, he can't get more boned than he is already ;-)
[04:48] <aitrus> lol
[04:56] <asdf_46> What is the default setting for the Ubuntu firewall?
[04:56] <Kamion> asdf_46: not needed, no listening ports open by default
[04:58] <asdf_46> Kamion, wow, seems logical, been using Windoes too long. Should have realized that.
[04:59] <asdf_46> So there is really no danger in running a server system with no fire wall?
[05:00] <bob2> what would the firewall do?
[05:00] <bob2> if a port has nothing listening on it, there's nothing listening on it
[05:00] <Kamion> servers presumably *do* have listening ports, but the firewall policy for those pretty much has to be up to you
[05:01] <asdf_46> Ok, that's just cool, thanks for explaining that.
[05:12] <GOwin> thanks kamion
[05:24] <danielbo> I installed Ubuntu last night, andmost everything works fine, but I seem to have a serious bug somewhere. The first time that I plug in a digital camera, it is recognized as a usb-storage device, and nautilus asks to import the pictures from it. If I unmount the camera and disconnect it, a reconnection causes the mouse to freeze. This is not solved by restarting X, and attempts at restarting the hotplug servicealso freeze that tty and are unkillable. I 
[05:24] <danielbo> have a usb wheel mouse and am using the nvidia driver. Is this a known problem with a workaround?
[05:25] <danielbo> My views of the mailing list don't show anything
[05:25] <aitrus> danielbo: i'm using a USB mouse and nVidia drivers.  you should search the bug reports adn if you don't find your situation, file a new report
[05:26] <Pizbit> Nice site btw, finding infomation relatively easily:)
[05:26] <danielbo> aitrus, I haven't come up with anything, so I'll file one
[05:35] <pebkac> so i take it today was RC1?
[05:36] <pebkac> because i just ran an upgrade via synaptic and i've got 90 some odd packages.
[05:36] <pebkac> only problem is, it says it installed firefox .99+1.0RC, only it's running 0.9.3 still.
[05:37] <pebkac> same with the kernel.  it downloaded a new kernel, but either didnt install it, didn't add it to grub, or overwrote my previous kernel.
[05:37] <aitrus> pebkac: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676
[05:37] <pebkac> haha
[05:37] <aitrus> firefox has been downgraded to 0.9.3 for now
[05:37] <pebkac> ah, rolled back.  okeh.
[05:37] <bob2> (for the release)
[05:38] <pebkac> was there a new kernel or no?
[05:38] <aitrus> as far as the kernel goes, you probably got a ubuntu patch that effected the modules but not the kernel version number itself
[05:38] <pebkac> okie then.
[05:38] <pebkac> it's running wicked smooth.
[05:38] <pebkac> i like the tan background.
[05:38] <pebkac> and i don't suppose you've read the actual myst books by david wingrave and rand miller?
[05:39] <aitrus> yes i have
[05:39] <aitrus> own all 3 in hard back
[05:39] <pebkac> woah, rad.
[05:39] <pebkac> ditto!
[05:40] <pebkac> Sora, t'Sem, then.
[05:40] <aitrus> =)
[05:40] <pebkac> haha i thought i was like the sole purchaser of those books.
[05:43] <tvon> #!@#$ yankees
[05:44] <WW_> This might not be an ubuntu problem, but I'll give it a shot.  Evolution Mail was working fine a day or so ago, but now when it tries to connect to the mail server (using IMAP), I get this error:
[05:44] <WW_> Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server webmail.colgate.edu".
[05:45] <WW_> IMAP command failed: Connect attempt failed: server may be down or too busy to respond..
[05:45] <pebkac> well... maybe the IMAP server's down?
[05:45] <joem> iheh
[05:45] <WW_> The thing is, I can connect to the server using webmail in Firefox
[05:45] <joem> -i
[05:45] <WW_> pebkac: Thanks, Cap'n
[05:45] <pebkac> no prob!
[05:45] <aitrus> mmm... Cap'n Morgan...
[05:45] <pebkac> those new commercials are great.
[05:46] <aitrus> WW_: are you sure you are using the correct port and everythign?
[05:46] <aitrus> WW_: like, should you be using SSL or something like that?
[05:46] <pebkac> there was an update to a lot of evolution's crap today when i ran apt.
[05:46] <pebkac> exchange, IMAP, the works.
[05:47] <Kamion> pebkac: the release candidate has not been released yet
[05:47] <WW_> aitrus: I don't think I've reconfigured anything, and it was working before.
[05:47] <Kamion> pebkac: we're still ironing out a few things
[05:47] <WW_> pebkac: This problem was occurring earlier today, before the latest update.
[05:47] <aitrus> WW_: the imap server seems to be up... i can connect to it from here
[05:47] <pebkac> Kamion: in other words, i shouldn't have upgraded? ;D
[05:49] <WW_> This may be a problem on the server end... I'm just looking for a few "obvious" things to check.
[05:49] <WW_> If there are any...
[05:49] <ob> nvidia binary drivers are so great.
[05:52] <Kamion> ob: nothing much particularly new
[05:55] <sri> so..
[05:55] <sri> I just upgraded firefox
[05:55] <sri> and it's core dumping now
[05:55] <sri> er it seg faults rather
[05:55] <sri> dont upgrade your firefox ;)
[05:56] <dewey> ok how can I play encrpted dvds?
[05:57] <WX> does the final version come out today?
[05:57] <sri> probably not..
[05:57] <WX> hmm next week?
[05:57] <ob> dewey: you need a q-tip, some captain morgan's, and a lite-on dual-layer DVD-RW.
[05:57] <WW_> sri: Too late... but it hasn't core dumped on me yet.
[05:57] <ob> for those upgrading now it's fine.
[05:57] <ob> firefox has been held back.
[05:57] <sri> WW_: hmm..
[05:58] <WX> so should i just install preview release now?
[05:58] <WX> or wait?
[05:58] <ob> might as well wait.
[05:58] <sri> ob: really? I just got it and it segfaults onh me
[05:58] <WX> k
[05:58] <Kamion> WX: release candidate within the day
[05:58] <ob> i just ran apt-get upgrade.
[05:58] <sri> although it works for root..hmm.
[05:58] <Kamion> whether it'll be the same as final is still under some discussion
[05:58] <ob> it SAYS firefox PR1.0 was installed, but it's not.
[05:58] <ob> it's still running 0.9.3.  which is misleading.
[05:59] <ob> and had me checking over and over.
[05:59] <mdz> ob: look more closely at the version number
[05:59] <ob> yeah, i did.
[05:59] <sri> maybe if I mv'd my mozilla dir out of the way
[05:59] <aitrus> ob: it actually says that PR1.0-revert is installed
[05:59] <aitrus> ob: the version number for taht is reallllllly long
[05:59] <ob> ah you mean in the apt logs.
[05:59] <ob> not firefox.
[05:59] <WW_> ob: Right, the package version.
[06:00] <ob> yeah 0.99+1.0PR-somethingsomething.
[06:00] <ob> okay
[06:00] <ob> er... so am i running 0.9.3 or not?
[06:00] <WW_> yes
[06:00] <ob> whew, okay.
[06:00] <WW_> :)
[06:00] <sri> hmm..moving all the dot files out of the way doesn't do anything
[06:00] <ob> this is too much work for a beos convert.
[06:01] <WW_> (I'm taking lessons from Cap'n Obvious)
[06:01] <sri> or logging out rather
[06:02] <ob> CRYSTAL, Minnesota (AP) -- Police responding to a call of a convulsing Elvis Presley impersonator soon found themselves in a high-speed chase of another faux celebrity -- a man dressed as one of the Blues Brothers.
[06:02] <ob> haha RAD.
[06:03] <WW_> "We have a full take of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's night out, and we're wearing sunglasses..."
[06:04] <WW_> tank*
[06:04] <aitrus> hit it!
[06:04] <ob> http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/12/bluesbrothers.chase.ap/index.html
[06:04] <WW_> B)
[06:05] <Se7h> done
[06:06] <ob> what's done?
[06:07] <Se7h> reinstalling
[06:07] <Se7h> with my original /home
[06:07] <Se7h> :)
[06:07] <sri> cool. got it working
[06:07] <sri> it's bcause of a full partition not anything else
[06:08] <Se7h> uh?
[06:09] <whiprush> woo, new wallpapers.
[06:09] <whiprush> half naked people!
[06:09] <ob> haha i saw that.
[06:09] <ob> my wife was like "what the hell are you doing?"
[06:09] <ob> "i swear to god i didn't do it!  it was ubuntu!"
[06:09] <whiprush> "Use ubuntu and you could end up like this guy. Two. women. and GNOME!"
[06:09] <ob> "uh huh."
[06:10] <Se7h> whiprush uh , where ? ;P
[06:10] <Se7h> remind me one thing
[06:10] <Se7h> where is the file to uncoment universe
[06:10] <whiprush> new wallpapers, right click, change desktop background
[06:10] <ob> just do it in synaptic.
[06:10] <aitrus> Se7h: /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:10] <ob> but if you want to do it manually... /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <ob> damn you aitrus!
[06:11] <whiprush> I don't get why they are called Monthly Calendar and October Calendar though
[06:11] <Se7h> sources
[06:11] <Se7h> thats it
[06:11] <aitrus> hehe
[06:13] <kitchen`> first off, I'd like to say, mighty mighty fine job on this distro folks.. mighty fine job
[06:14] <aitrus> is that Moby in that background?  =)
[06:14] <kitchen`> I've used linux for about 4 years now, and on my desktop for 2, and ubuntu is one of the most well put together distros for desktop use I've encountered
[06:14] <SmokingFire> Se7h: You are still here?
[06:14] <Kamion> kitchen`: glad you like it :)
[06:15] <ob> yeh.  normally i hate gnome.  ubuntu makes it cuddly.
[06:15] <kitchen`> now :)  I'm curious.. is there a way with gnome 2.8 to make it so I can resize windows with alt-right click like I can in kde, fluxbox... etc?
[06:15] <kitchen`> I haven't used gnome for quite some time (<3 kde) so I'm pretty used to resizing my windows with alt-right drag
[06:17] <kitchen`> also, evolution apparently can't do any gpg signing.. that something that is being worked on or a misconfiguration on my end?
[06:17] <hazmat> kitchen`, evolution can do gpg singing
[06:17] <ob> but can it do gpg dancing?
[06:17] <kitchen`> hazmat: every time I try to do it I get an error about gpg-agent
[06:17] <hazmat> kitchen`, it has to be setup in the security tab for each account
[06:18] <kitchen`> yea
[06:18] <Kamion> looks like you can set arbitrary keyboard shortcuts for begin_resize but not mouse shortcuts
[06:18] <kitchen`> let me get the error, just a sec
[06:18] <Kamion> of course, you can always use a different window manager
[06:18] <ob> i'm tempted to try kde on ubuntu.
[06:18] <kitchen`> Kamion: yea, but ubuntu is so well put together I'd hate to break it :)
[06:18] <ob> is 3.3 in universal?
[06:18] <hazmat> ob, i believe kde can dance  ;-)
[06:18] <Kamion> ob: not yet, hoary
[06:19] <ob> i don't remember if it's in sid or not.
[06:19] <hazmat> you'd loose out on all the hal dbus love with kde
[06:19] <ob> i have almost no use for either service.
[06:20] <ob> i'm not about to disable them though.  my third day with linux i said "what's the cron crap that using my resources?"
[06:20] <ob> an hour later i was crying into my pillow.
[06:20] <hazmat> hehe
[06:20] <kitchen`> updatedb running at midnight.. right during my peak usage hours ;(
[06:20] <ob> yeah i moved a lot out of cron.dailu
[06:20] <kitchen`> on my slow p2 400 laptop :X
[06:20] <hazmat> i know i'm not using them
[06:20] <Pizbit> ob: Yeah, kde3.3 is in sid.
[06:20] <hazmat> kitchen`, whats the evo-gpg error?
[06:21] <kitchen`> hazmat: getting it
[06:21] <kitchen`> slow laptop ;)
[06:21] <ob> i wish gnome would stop drawing menus before icons.
[06:21] <ob> it gives it a "slow" feel.
[06:21] <aitrus> I don't have any problem on my P4 3.2 GHz HT proc with a GiB of RAM
[06:21] <ob> i've got a P3 933 with 384MB of ram.  if i can't run an OS comfortably, it's bloated.
[06:21] <kitchen`> ok
[06:22] <kitchen`> want me to take a ss of it or just type the contents of the window?
[06:22] <aitrus> Ubunutu runs great on my old PIII 600
[06:22] <stub> Is there a command to open a document from the command line with the preferred application?
[06:22] <ob> yeah, it's running fine here.
[06:22] <hazmat> kitchen`, http://paste.plone.org would be nice if its large
[06:22] <ob> about 70megs idle.
[06:22] <ob> and 15% is cache.
[06:22] <ob> fedora wants something astronomical, like 120 idle.
[06:22] <kitchen`> oh, i didn't realize i could copy/paste it
[06:22] <kitchen`> gotcha
[06:23] <kitchen`> http://www.pasteme.com/paste/1664 <-- evolution gpg error
[06:25] <jamesh> stub: gnome-open
[06:25] <stub> jamesh: Ta
[06:27] <chz> hello
[06:27] <kitchen`> hazmat: ?
[06:28] <chz> are there any developers in here?
[06:28] <hazmat> kitchen`, http://www.edlug.ed.ac.uk/archive/Sep2004/msg00244.html
[06:28] <chz> i just wanted to let you all know that ubuntu works in vmware just fine
[06:29] <hazmat> kitchen`, google to the rescue ;-)
[06:29] <kitchen`> hmm.. perhaps I hsould have just done a general google search instead of just searching ubuntu's bug tracker :>
[06:29] <kitchen`> silly me
[06:30] <kitchen`> ok, let's try again :)
[06:30] <kitchen`> well whaddya know
[06:30] <kitchen`> thanks hazmat ;)
[06:30] <hazmat> np, google _is_ the oracle ;-)
[06:30] <kitchen`> indeed
[06:30] <kitchen`> I know that better than most :P
[08:40] (theantix/#ubuntu) topyli: actually I'm considering moving from woody to ubuntu on my server :-)
[08:41] <neptho> mdz: I didn't say that it wouldn't.  I just said I felt that it seemed less attune to that role.  I don't know of any servers I run with X turned on.  :)
[08:41] <topyli> theantix:  why not? it shouldn't be any worse
[08:41] <neptho> gnome on an MX, er...  Yeah.
[08:41] <mdz> neptho: I don't run an X server on my servers, either, but they run Ubuntu
[08:41] <smo> I'm curious what it'd offer over stock debian on a server.  on a desktop, the benefits are a lot more obvious
[08:42] <neptho> mdz: That's a choice.
[08:42] <mdz> smo: the same basic benefits as on the desktop
[08:42] <neptho> apt, dpkg... ;)
[08:42] <mdz> smo: 6-monthly releases, commercial support, etc.
[08:42] <topyli> updates, support
[08:42] <theantix> mdz just summed up the reason I am interested in doing it :-)
[08:43] <tberman> how is the ubuntu installers lvm + raid5 support?
[08:44] <neptho> I best go to bed, being midnightish and all.
[08:44] <neptho> G'day, folks.
[08:48] <Kamion> tberman: RAID5 support is non-existent so far, I believe; it only arrived in Debian very recently, well after we froze.
[08:49] <Treenaks> Kamion: so the answer is "Wait for hoary"? :)
[08:51] <mdz> Treenaks: that is the answer to all of life's great questions
[08:51] <Treenaks> mdz: wow :)
[08:51] <Treenaks> "42? What kind of an answer is that?" "Wait for Hoary."
[08:52] <topyli> ubuntu seems to be developing into a real religion. now it's even future-oriented!
[08:54] <Kamion> Treenaks: yup
[08:57] <mdz> topyli: we've borrowed Guido's time machine
[08:58] <topyli> can you see hoary's arrival very clearlly?
[09:00] <mdz> topyli: the unblinking eye is eternally focused on it
[09:00] <topyli> hail eris! hail bob!
[09:05] <joolz> i get a *huge* cpu load when i edit a file in vim with syntax hili on. Especially when scrolling. Is this normal?
[09:06] <joolz> it's caused by xfree86 says top
[09:09] <joolz> hmm. i set syntax off and cpu is still very high... 
[09:10] <joolz> graphical vim is not really an option, i'm working on a file on a remote server
[09:10] <phin> whats jam?
[09:10] <phin> its like make right?
[09:10] <joolz> any idea's what's causing his?
[09:10] <attitude> Evening room
[09:11] <mdz> good evening, everyone
[09:11] <housetier> joolz, where is vim started from,locally or on the remote host as well?
[09:11] <mdz> it would be humbly appreciated if anyone or everyone would test the current daily CD build, as it is likely to become the Warty release candidate
[09:11] <mdz> rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/
[09:11] <mdz> thank you :-)
[09:13] <punkass> mdz: you refering to an install run through?
[09:13] <Kamion> punkass: yes
[09:13] <punkass> do u have link where i can get the iso
[09:14] <mdz> punkass: I pasted an rsync link above
[09:14] <mdz> also the same, with http:// rather than rsync://
[09:14] <punkass> can i use that if i dont have an iso already?
[09:14] <punkass> ah ok
[09:15] <mdz> punkass: yes, rsync still works if you don't have an iso
[09:15] <punkass> ah ok..aways thought it was just for updating
[09:15] <punkass> always*
[09:15] <Kamion> it can update from empty :-)
[09:15] <punkass> doh!@
[09:16] <punkass> makes sense
[09:16] <punkass> hmm to bad there no nice fast torrent
[09:16] <punkass> gonna take me an hour to get it
[09:16] <Kamion> there's a torrent, feel free to help seed it :)
[09:16] <Kamion> (the torrent should work, anyway)
[09:17] <punkass> a torrent for the daily/current?
[09:17] <punkass> oh there it is
[09:17] <punkass> :)
[09:17] <Kamion> sure
[09:17] <Kamion> I'm not 100% sure that the daily-generated ones work without assistance, mind you
[09:18] <punkass> do your servers bandwidth throttle by ip?
[09:19] <attitude> OK now I am going to sound dumb but how do I download the iso via rsync from the command line
[09:19] <Kamion> punkass: don't believe so ...
[09:19] <punkass> k, just curious
[09:19] <Kamion> attitude: rsync -av cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-install-i386.iso ./
[09:19] <Kamion> attitude: if you haven't got it already, though, HTTP will probably be faster
[09:20] <Kamion> it> (an earlier image)
[09:20] <attitude> tjamls
[09:20] <attitude> thanks
[09:20] <attitude> damn now I can not type
[09:20] <punkass> Kamion: when are you guys release the RC?
[09:20] <punkass> releasing*
[09:20] <Kamion> punkass: sometime today
[09:21] <Kamion> exact time is not definite
[09:21] <punkass> ah ok...well then i might aswell save your bandwidth..i have to sleep in a bit..
[09:22] <attitude> will we be able to just apt-get dist-upgrade to it or will we have to reinstall
[09:22] <Kamion> attitude: you can upgrade
[09:23] <attitude> whew 3 desktops and a server I was not going to be looking forowrd to the reinstall
[09:23] <Kamion> attitude: if you're only in a position to upgrade and offer feedback on the upgraded installation, that will also be useful
[09:23] <maswan> Hmm.. I can ask in here perhaps, does the ubuntu installer have a way of moving data to a network target before installing?
[09:23] <Kamion> however, we need at least *some* non-Canonical staff to test the CD images :-P
[09:23] <daniels> maswan: sure -- drop to a shell and copy it ;)
[09:23] <Kamion> maswan: the belt-and-braces approach with tar and nc is about the best I can think of
[09:24] <maswan> Kamion: ah, nc is available?
[09:24] <attitude> Kamion: I will be glad to do that
[09:24] <Kamion> yes, it's in busybox
[09:24] <Kamion> attitude: thanks
[09:24] <maswan> thanks
[09:24] <maswan> didn't see it earlier, must start working on this "reading" thing. :)
[09:26] <punkass> when i see stuff like this: Configuration file `/etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal'
[09:26] <punkass> when i update
[09:27] <punkass> should i use the defualt of N or let it change it?
[09:27] <punkass> just something ive alwasy wondered..
[09:28] <daniels> unless you've modified it, probably best to let it update it
[09:28] <punkass> ok..i know ive never modified it
[09:29] <|trey|> punkass: depends if you changed much...
[09:30] <attitude> well time to get back to work managing these redhat boxes
[09:30] <attitude> later all
[09:30] <|trey|> punkass: if you customized it a lot, it will make you mad to redo that... but if the config mechanism changed, it might be a good thing...
[09:30] <joolz> Just found out that anacron is not installed by default
[09:30] <punkass> yeah..most of the ones it asks me about i have never touched, but it still says: ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[09:30] <joolz> not such a good idea imo, a small distro like U will be run on workstations a lot, and they would benefit from anacron
[09:31] <|trey|> joolz: its hardly different from the cron installed... not a big deal...
[09:32] <joolz> Unlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine
[09:32] <joolz>        is running continuously.  Hence, it can be used on machines that arent
[09:32] <joolz>        running 24 hours a day, to control daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that
[09:32] <joolz>        are usually controlled by cron.
[09:32] <joolz> Sounds good for a workstation
[09:32] <|trey|> joolz: I never reboot...
[09:33] <joolz> i shut it down every night. It's just a workstation
[09:33] <|trey|> No point rebooting if things are working, only if you get a new kernel
[09:33] <joolz> and i guess i'm not the only one doing that
[09:33] <Kamion> one problem with anacron is that it tends to cause the machine to do enormous amounts of work right after you boot it up
[09:33] <joolz> |trey|: I get a new kernel every day :)
[09:33] <Kamion> which is exactly when you want to be able to just use the damn thing, not wait for updatedb to run
[09:34] <|trey|> If the machine isn't on, and I didn't redo the script, I obviously didn't care that much  :/
[09:34] <|trey|> joolz: first question, why?
[09:34] <punkass> what package do i need to install to get  'distutils'
[09:35] <Kamion> |trey|: there's been a new kernel a day in Warty for the last week or so
[09:35] <Kamion> punkass: python-dev, probably
[09:35] <|trey|> punkass: apt-cache search distutils
[09:35] <joolz> OK, now imagine a company with lots of workstations running U. I wouldn't want to update them all manually :)
[09:35] <punkass> thanks
[09:35] <|trey|> Kamion: oh...
[09:35] <joolz> anyway, I have anacron now, just thought it would be a good idea to include it by default. But that's just MO :)
[09:36] <|trey|> joolz: I wouldn't be running a beta in a company...
[09:36] <Kamion> |trey|: Ubuntu won't be beta for very long
[09:36] <joolz> |trey|: no, of course not. But it will come out of beta someday, right?
[09:37] <|trey|> Kamion: and hopefully, when it comes out of beta status, there won't be daily upgrades of the kernel...
[09:37] <Kamion> |trey|: indeed not
[09:37] <joolz> |trey|: :)
[09:38] <|trey|> joolz: at least not if you stick to warty after that point... but you would in a company environment...
[09:41] <maswan> Kamion: thank you again, now that it is working, now I can make a backup of the installed stuff before wiping it with an install. :)
[09:41] <joolz> |trey|: yes, I would. but linux on all desktops is yet a bit of a dream. Maybe in a year or so. I;m running U now on my own desktop
[09:42] <joolz> that's what i liked about it, debian based and small
[09:42] <joolz> perfect for a desktop
[09:42] <|trey|> joolz: in all honesty, I would likely use Novell  in a business environment if I had the choice anyway...
[09:42] <joolz> |trey|: I have a netware server + two debian stables
[09:43] <|trey|> Only because ZENworks and ConsoleOne + eDirectory makes life a lot easier for administrators...
[09:43] <joolz> but the desktops that's another story
[09:43] <joolz> maybe novell will port a lot to linux. Let's hope it's not just words...
[09:44] <|trey|> Novell Linux Desktop - KDE and GNOME... GNOME for users, KDE for power users... they have a firm base for each...
[09:44] <Treenaks> KDE for power users??
[09:44] <|trey|> joolz: Novell Open Enterprise Server = EVERYTHING running on both kernels..
[09:45] <punkass> whoa i have startup sounds and a brown desktop.
[09:45] <joolz> Treenaks: where he said KDE he meant FVWM ;)
[09:45] <Treenaks> joolz: twm!
[09:45] <joolz> punkass: quick get some soap
[09:45] <joolz> :)
[09:45] <calc> Treenaks: a euphemism for millions of options ;)
[09:45] <joolz> Treenaks: :)
[09:45] <punkass> ;)
[09:45] <|trey|> Treenaks: yes... they know what they are doing...
[09:46] <Treenaks> |trey|: I know what I'm doing, and I know I'm not touching KDE with a 10ft pole ;)
[09:46] <|trey|> Treenaks: thats a shame...
[09:46] <Treenaks> calc: iptables -I INPUT -s calc -j DROP
[09:46] <joolz> Treenaks: same here. That's why i'm on U now, instead of Knoppix
[09:46] <calc> Treenaks: i'll just upload them as you as the maintainer ;)
[09:46] <punkass> does ubuntu have the dev files for wirelesstools?
[09:46] <punkass> i need iwlib
[09:47] <Treenaks> |trey|: KDE looks/works too much like plastic for me... it kept breaking last time I tried it (3.0)
[09:47] <|trey|> Treenaks: kdeadmin > gnome-system-tools today... plus, YaST would fit in better on there desktops...
[09:47] <punkass> Ive tried to like KDE...just something about it...never really liked it much
[09:47] <Treenaks> |trey|: vim /etc/somefile works better for me
[09:47] <|trey|> Treenaks: its fast and intuitive last I used it (3.3.0)
[09:48] <|trey|> Treenaks: ok... but I don't really want any users playing with CLI  :/
[09:48] <|trey|> CLI works better for me too, but I am the admin... I want to limit what they do...
[09:48] <Treenaks> |trey|: it's the first thing I show to users..
[09:49] <|trey|> Treenaks: then you risk showing them how to do your job... then you end up without one...
[09:49] <calc> Treenaks: the new ironically named plastik is much better looking theme and apparently will be the default for kde 4.0 (next release)
[09:49] <Treenaks> |trey|: if you have to resort to stuff like that to keep your job, you're a lousy admin
[09:49] <Treenaks> |trey|: most people don't want to be admins
[09:50] <|trey|> Treenaks: I do though... 
[09:50] <Treenaks> |trey|: and people who know the CLI aren't instant admins.. I know lots of people who know basic CLI stuff, but wouldn't know how to configure X manually (for example)
[09:51] <|trey|> Treenaks: I will admit, Keramik is HORRIBLE, but there are many more themes...
[09:51] <calc> |trey|: i would trust gst to work properly rather than kdeadmin though
[09:51] <calc> |trey|: at least from the bug reports i've seen on kdeadmin
[09:51] <|trey|> Not likeing an environement because of the way it looks is not an educated reason...
[09:51] <|trey|> calc: gstreamer is being used within KDE... (Juk for example) you know this though...
[09:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: it's too configurable.. it takes 3 hours to configure it the way I like it, and tended to forget my settings sometimes
[09:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: gnome is good by default (different background image, different window border theme and I'm done)
[09:52] <|trey|> I do prefer gstreamer to other simular technologies... but its part of freedesktop...
[09:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: ithm gnome-system-tools
[09:52] <lhb> kde's menus are so full of stuff, i prefer the gnome simplicity nowadays
[09:52] <|trey|> Treenaks: Kiosk lets you do it for them, and doesn't let them do it later...
[09:52] <joolz> what i don't like about gnome and especially kde is that it's not so easy to admin it with scripts. fvwm is ideal for that, very little bloat too
[09:53] <calc> |trey|: well aiui there is no kdegst0.8 so that will be dropped in the next upload, since the bindings are now out of date
[09:53] <joolz> but the market is going gnome + kde, so i have to choose between the 2 of them
[09:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: no, it takes ME 3 hours to configure KDE for MY desktop..
[09:53] <joolz> and in that case i pick gnome :)
[09:53] <|trey|> calc: :(
[09:53] <|trey|> calc: they going with Jack or MAS?
[09:53] <calc> lhb: the kde program menu, or the configuration options?
[09:53] <lhb> i have installed kde so many times... i always end up going back to gnome
[09:54] <calc> lhb: i consider the fact that gnome doesn't show you your apps to be a bit of a bug ;)
[09:54] <calc> now kde's innumerable configuration options are a bit much as well
[09:54] <|trey|> joolz: GNOME = "intuitive for everyone", KDE = "we want to have every feature from everywhere, but it can't slow shit down"
[09:54] <calc> |trey|: oh they will probably port the bindings to 0.8 but i don't know when that will happen
[09:54] <lhb> kde, shows everything and that makes it messy
[09:54] <Treenaks> I "feel" it like "KDE is to Gnome as PHP is to Python"
[09:55] <lhb> too the point of confussion
[09:55] <|trey|> calc: ahh... old gstreamer being dropped from sid?
[09:55] <lhb> i love linux, we have at least a  choice
[09:55] <calc> |trey|: yes aiui the only thing still using it is juk
[09:56] <|trey|> calc: still don't know what aiui means  :(
[09:56] <calc> as i understand it
[09:56] <calc> http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym
[09:57] <|trey|> calc: I think thats all that did in the first place?  neither juk or amarok will play .pls files here  :(
[09:57] <calc> oh
[09:57] <|trey|> calc: (amarok from kalypso)
[09:58] <|trey|> Thats the only kinda music I really play... shoutcast playlists...
[09:58] <|trey|> Rhythmbox and XMMS play them  :/
[09:59] <calc> rythmbox is cool :)
[09:59] <Treenaks> rhythmbox is cool.. if you have all your music on your local machine
[09:59] <|trey|> yes... :)
[09:59] <Pizbit> *shudders*
[09:59] <|trey|> calc: looks good dressed in plastik too  (gtk2-engines-gtk-qt = my friend  :) )
[09:59] <Treenaks> daniels: "<ElectricElf> A distro flamewar in #debian-devel? Has hell frozen over?"
[10:00] <Pizbit> It took me ages to figure out how to get rythmbox to play anything, couldn't find an option to change the output sink anywhere. amaroK I find it much nicer, the only kde app I use.
[10:00] <calc> hmm i don't think i have used rhythmbox since it was converted to gstreamer
[10:00] <|trey|> daniels: no war, just discussion... although somewhat OT in a way...
[10:00] <Pizbit> Besides, the amaroK devs are cool:)
[10:01] <calc> i normally just listen to my satradio since my network connection is always a bit flaky
[10:01] <|trey|> daniels: both are good vs kde sucks perhaps?
[10:03] <|trey|> calc: dunno, rarely get bad quality... so its ok for me  :)
[10:03] <|trey|> Pizbit: they would be cooler if they listened to .pls playlists, cuz then it would be supported  :)
[10:04] <joolz> daniels: hardly a war, we were just talking
[10:04] <Pizbit> |trey|: File it on the wishlist:)
[10:04] <|trey|> Pizbit: ahh... I will look for it  :)
[10:05] <Pizbit> |trey|:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78303
[10:06] <Pizbit> Got a .pls for me to try? I have a cvs version of either today/yesterday.
[10:06] <Treenaks> shouldn't it just use mime types?
[10:10] <|trey|> Pizbit: ahh... hmm... for me, noatun wouldn't play it either though  :(
[10:10] <|trey|> Pizbit: any from shoutcast.com ... then you get to pick you're own music  :)
[10:11] <|trey|> I mean your
[10:12] <Pizbit> The link at the top works just fine.
[10:12] <|trey|> Pizbit: hmm, cool, good to know, thanks  :)
[10:12] <|trey|> Pizbit: so in next release, it will work?
[10:12] <Pizbit> Should be working in 1.1.1 (the latest release)
[10:14] <|trey|> calc: If that can be confirmed... you think you could think about using Amorak instead of XMMS for the Now listening plugin? I hate that dep   :(  gtk1.2 = too much like motif
[10:14] <Pizbit> What was the last version you used?
[10:15] <|trey|> Pizbit: not entirely sure... got it from Kalypso like a couple months ago...
[10:15] <Pizbit> Ahh, old stuff
[10:16] <punkass> any use use swig before?
[10:16] <|trey|> Pizbit: only used KDE for a few days since the first day Ubuntu was released...
[10:16] <calc> |trey|: amarok isn't even in debian yet is it?
[10:16] <Pizbit> Start with new .kde amarok stuff.
[10:16] <|trey|> calc: nope... I told you you should be working closer with kalypso  :)
[10:17] <Pizbit> kalyxo :)
[10:17] <|trey|> calc: at least allow it as an alternative, or try to get it uploaded (best case scenario)
[10:17] <|trey|> Amorak is nice... and simular to XMMS but for KDE....
[10:17] <Pizbit> I havn't seen any complaints about the debian packages availible from there, used them myself at one time.
[10:17] <Pizbit> |trey|: Heh, and a million for features.
[10:17] <Pizbit> s/for/more
[10:18] <|trey|> calc: I use GAIM with KDE because of XMMS getting installed via Kopete...
[10:18] <|trey|> Then usually Rhythmbox on top of that + gtk-qt...
[10:20] <joolz> niiice... Paris considers going Linux
[10:20] <nate> what, all of it?
[10:20] <|trey|> nate: Gvmnt
[10:21] <nate> yay
[10:21] <|trey|> Novell is certified to be used in G'ment environments, no other distro currently is...
[10:21] <joolz> nate: local governement
[10:22] <joolz> seems like they will follow Munchen
[10:22] <nate> So they're picking Novell? Nice.
[10:22] <joolz> nate: huh?
[10:22] <|trey|> Take that back... Java Desktop is certified too...
[10:22] <nate> joolz: We use Novell at work. Have a couple of SuSE boxes but mostly eDirectory/Netware.
[10:22] <nate> it's nice to see Novell starting to become interesting
[10:23] <joolz> |trey|: what certification is that? Aren't local goverments free too choose what best?
[10:23] <nate> I'm surprised Red Hat isn't yet
[10:23] <|trey|> nate: people will likely start switching with Novell Netware 7.0 when its released along with SUSE Enterprise Server 9
[10:23] <nate> I thought they'd achieved at least one of the lower quals for RHEL
[10:23] <nate> yeah, Netware 7 or whatever it's name is going to be looks rather nice
[10:23] <|trey|> joolz: there are criteria they must meet... I dunno, read on Novell's "in the press" section...
[10:24] <nate> dual Netware/Linux kernals
[10:24] <|trey|> nate: Novell Open Enterprise Server + Novell Linux Desktop = future when everything is worked out...
[10:24] <joolz> netware has nothing to do with it, i think
[10:24] <joolz> s/netware/novell/
[10:25] <|trey|> joolz: with what?
[10:25] <joolz> novell bought suse and suse is German, hence Munchen chooses suse.
[10:25] <joolz> Paris will choose Madrake i would guess
[10:25] <joolz> |trey|: with Paris
[10:25] <nate> From the last Novell seminar I went to they said that OES would be able to run existing Netware NLMs
[10:25] <|trey|> Novell Netware 7 is dead as a seperate product... being ported from DRDOS to GNU/Linux...
[10:25] <nate> so it'd be some kind of hybrid Netware/Linux thingy
[10:25] <nate> er
[10:26] <nate> I'm not sure what DRDOS has to do with it
[10:26] <nate> that's just the bootloader. Netware is its own OS.
[10:26] <|trey|> nate: its the base of netware.
[10:26] <nate> Not really
[10:26] <nate> It boots into its own world pretty quickly, though yeah, it starts out with DOS
[10:27] <|trey|> nate: yes... netware is ran from drdos... drdos is simular to msdos.
[10:27] <|trey|> In the same ways that OS/2 is simular to Windows...
[10:27] <nate> yes, I'm well aware of what DRDOS is
[10:29] <nate> I'm interested to see whether OES will be available without the Netware components, or whether Novell will distribute OES and SuSE as separate products
[10:29] <phin> nate is correct
[10:29] <phin> drdos was just a bootloader
[10:29] <phin> then it booted into netware
[10:29] <|trey|> nate: re netware NLM's... yes... because netware will still be there... of course they won't work on the linux kernels...
[10:29] <calc> yep, i used to admin netware back in 3/4 days
[10:29] <phin> which was more of a unix then anything
[10:29] <phin> lol
[10:29] <calc> before drdos (iirc)
[10:29] <phin> calc: no thats when it used it as a bootloader
[10:30] <phin> it just flew by for about 30 seconds
[10:30] <nate> We're running Netware 6.5 at the moment
[10:30] <phin> then into netware
[10:30] <calc> phin: hmm i thought it still used msdos at that time
[10:30] <nate> mmm
[10:30] <calc> it still was loaded by dos, but i don't think they had drdos at that time, maybe so
[10:30] <nate> I think DRDOS was introduced around Netware 5
[10:30] <phin> calc: i belive it could use either
[10:30] <phin> they are the same
[10:30] <phin> pretty much
[10:30] <nate> when they started trying to seriously compete with Microsoft in the network space
[10:30] <phin> well ya
[10:30] <phin> they bought drdos
[10:30] <nate> except, well, not having a desktop...
[10:30] <phin> digital research
[10:31] <phin> i used freedos for a bbs a while back
[10:31] <phin> :(
[10:31] <phin> :)
[10:31] <housetier> might be old news, just came across this: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1421241
[10:31] <phin> i mean
[10:31] <|trey|> nate: and now they are the leaders in development of 2  :)
[10:31] <nate> yeah
[10:31] <Solkaris> anyone know how to change the default icon for a MIME type in Gnome 2.8 ?
[10:31] <nate> Things are looking up for the big red N
[10:31] <|trey|> nate: indeed  :)
[10:32] <phin> thank god
[10:32] <phin> i loved novell
[10:32] <phin> i was pretty peeved when it fell off
[10:33] <Solkaris> or should I be asking that in a Gnome channel?
[10:33] <phin> hmm my card only gets 2mbit/s ?!
[10:33] <phin> is that a driver thing?
[10:34] <calc> |trey|: until m$ gets knocked down several pegs it won't happen with anyone
[10:35] <Treenaks> |trey|: I don't trust pre-installed linux :)
[10:35] <|trey|> calc: hopefully, dropping 1.6 billion will put a sufficient dent in their armer  :)
[10:35] <|trey|> Treenaks: never actually made such a purchase... usually built my own boxes... but yeah...
[10:36] <Solkaris> anyone have a clue how to change the default icon for a MIME type in 2.8 .. old dialog is gone and new one doesn't seem to support it
[10:36] <Treenaks> Solkaris: use another theme?
[10:37] <Solkaris> blah .. there is a perfectly decent icon to use 
[10:37] <|trey|> Solkaris: right click, properties. click on the picture...
[10:37] <Solkaris> [trey]  that changes it for that file .. not that MIME type
[10:37] <Solkaris> doh |trey| that is 
[10:37] <calc> |trey|: m$ is giving some huge # billions to its stock holders as dividend, losing 1.6 billion won't do anything at all to it
[10:37] <|trey|> Solkaris: people seemed to be refering to the icon  :/
[10:38] <calc> |trey|: they already have some much money they don't know what to do with it literally so they are giving most of it back to stockholders
[10:38] <|trey|> right click a file... "Open With" and pick something else...
[10:38] <Solkaris> |trey| again that doesn't change the default icon for that MIME type
[10:38] <Solkaris> it just changes the default program
[10:39] <|trey|> Solkaris: never occured to me to care about a picture so much  :/
[10:40] <|trey|> So long as I can access files from the program I want, I am usually happy  :/
[10:40] <|trey|> Guess I was leaving something important out though?
[10:40] <Solkaris> well for some odd reason this icon collection has a icon for ogg files but isnt using them .. its just a plain white square which is rather annoying
[10:40] <joem> I think the icon theme decides what icon gets used..so editing that, or replacing the icon you don't want with the one you do
[10:41] <|trey|> joem: apparently changing the icon doesn't change it or something  :/
[10:43] <Solkaris> joem thats a no go .. they problem is with the way a file is registered as a MIME type .. and there doesnt seem to be any f'ing way to change that in Gnome 2.8
[10:44] <Solkaris> there are icons for the file type
[10:44] <Solkaris> its not about the icon file .. its about the MIME type setting within Gnome
[10:46] <joem> Solkaris, shared-mime-info handles that
[10:46] <joem> might try looking into that
[10:46] <|trey|> Solkaris: I don't know that much about GNOME internals, and the people that do appear to be busy...
[10:46] <Solkaris> ok gui access or cli
[10:47] <Solkaris> |trey| thanks for trying to help =)
[10:48] <Solkaris> joem any idea where said beasty lairs?
[10:48] <|trey|> Its just a shared format specification from freedesktop.org...
[10:48] <joem> http://freedesktop.org/Software/shared-mime-info
[10:48] <joem> package contains the core database of common types
[10:49] <|trey|> which kinda means it can't specify icons I had presumed... because everyone does that different  :/
[10:49] <joem> he was asking what set the mime type no?
[10:49] <Solkaris> joem yes
[10:49] <|trey|> joem: what set the icons for the mime type specified.
[10:50] <Solkaris> joem where would I find the mime type info that can be changed 
[10:50] <joem> the icon theme sets the icon based on the mime type, which is set by that
[10:50] <|trey|> Solkaris: dpkg -L shared-mime-info
[10:50] <joem> Solkaris, dunno, I am already out of my knowledge base on this
[10:51] <Solkaris> already have installed .. the problem is file type (in this case ogg files) are not registered correctly which means it breaks icons 
[10:52] <Solkaris> thanks anyway joem .. gave me another place to look
[10:52] <|trey|> Solkaris: /usr/share/doc/shared-mime-info
[10:52] <|trey|> Solkaris: ugh, -L is list files installed by.
[10:52] <joem> if it isn't being registered, I think thats a shared-mime-info issue
[10:52] <joem> registered correctly anyways
[10:53] <|trey|> joem: he wants to configure the mime info... front ends only exist for 4 of them.
[10:54] <|trey|> joem: apparently the files are opened by the correct application... just wants a different icon for all the files of that type...
[10:55] <joem> icons should be in /usr/share/icons/themename/size/mimetypes
[10:55] <joem> are you using a theme that just doesn't have an icon for ogg?
[10:56] <Solkaris> no files there
[10:56] <Solkaris> icon exists
[10:56] <Solkaris> but its not displaying
[10:57] <Solkaris> reason seems to be from what I can see now is that ogg audio isnt registered as audio in mime type
[10:57] <|trey|> joem: /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/<type>/<image> are all quite nice  :)
[10:57] <Solkaris> and its not using same name .. checking attempted fix
[10:57] <joem> is it a standard theme from one of the theme packages?
[10:58] <Solkaris> art.gnome.org package .. but Ive been having this problem with a bunch of themes 
[10:58] <|trey|> Solkaris: apt-cache search vorbis
[10:58] <Solkaris> usually same program
[10:58] <|trey|> Solkaris: apt-cache search vorbis codec
[10:59] <|trey|> dpkg -l libvorbis0a
[11:00] <|trey|> apt-cache show libvorbis0a
[11:00] <Solkaris> why am I supposed to be doing that?
[11:01] <|trey|> Solkaris: making sure its installed... then showing you what it is...
[11:01] <Treenaks> |trey|: that should be installed if you have ~tubuntu-desktop
[11:01] <Solkaris> I know its installed
[11:01] <|trey|> Treenaks: 'ubuntu-desktop'
[11:01] <Treenaks> theantix: task..
[11:01] <Solkaris> they files work that isnt the problem .. and can set the default program 
[11:01] <Treenaks> |trey|: uh that was for you
[11:01] <Treenaks> |trey|: stupid "|" in front of your name 8)
[11:01] <Solkaris> I just cant edit what the mime types are 
[11:02] <|trey|> Treenaks: just type it once + tab  :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> Solkaris: you shouldn't edit the mime types, you should edit the theme
[11:02] <|trey|> Treenaks: and he would have read that  :)
[11:03] <Solkaris> Treenaks and where would I do that .. I look in the icon theme and find nothing there to edit that will effect how a MIME type is registered
[11:03] <Treenaks> Solkaris: It doesn't matter how the mime type is registered, the theme defines an icon for a mime-type. Replace that icon, et voila!
[11:04] <Solkaris> Treenaks icon theme has icons for that file type .. but the file type while being a audio file is not and will not register in MIME shared info as a freaking audio file
[11:04] <Solkaris> Treenaks the problem is the MIME type is incorrect 
[11:05] <Solkaris> its registering a audio file as an application 
[11:05] <|trey|> Solkaris: /usr/share/doc is your friend.
[11:05] <Treenaks> Solkaris: Solkaris I doubt that...
[11:05] <|trey|> /usr/share/doc/<pkg_name>
[11:06] <Solkaris> brb
[11:07] <Treenaks> what's his problem? he thinks he knows the answer but he doesn't want to listen to us??
[11:07] <|trey|> He is lazy in a bad way... he doesn't want to do the learning part  :/
[11:07] <jacob> Is it possible to rename a pluggable usb storage device icon, and have that name new permanently stored ?
[11:08] <jacob> Instead of having the name "sda1", that is
[11:08] <joem> jacob, yes
[11:08] <joem> http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[11:08] <|trey|> jacob: you can change the /sys/device/name of it, so it would make sense that you can do more...
[11:09] <Solkaris> got it
[11:09] <|trey|> Solkaris: :)
[11:09] <Treenaks> joem: doesn't it shows the VFAT label, if it has one
[11:09] <joem> |trey|, ew..udev is the way
[11:09] <jacob> joem, |trey|, ok but is it sufficient to change to Gnome desktop icon?
[11:09] <|trey|> joem: sysfs is part of the udev specification  :/
[11:09] <Solkaris> had to copy /usr/share/mime/application/ogg.xml to /usr/share/mime/audio/x-ogg.xml and everything works like it should
[11:10] <joem> ok, read wrong
[11:10] <|trey|> Solkaris: good job  :)
[11:10] <Treenaks> Solkaris: ok, something is tagging .ogg files wrongly then...
[11:10] <Solkaris> Treenaks that would be Sound Juicer that I was using
[11:10] <joem> jacob, ? what does the desktop icon have to do with the device name
[11:11] <|trey|> Treenaks: x-ogg.xml should be symlinked to ogg.xml
[11:11] <jacob> joem, nothing I guess. just wondering if Gnome could handle the renaming for me
[11:11] <Treenaks> |trey|: x-ogg should be phased out
[11:11] <joem> no, you want to create a udev rule
[11:11] <Solkaris> just want to thank |trey|, joem and Treenaks for the assists
[11:12] <joem> jacob, that way, when you plug it in, it will always have the same name(/dev/my_usbdrive) or something
[11:12] <|trey|> Treenaks: I would say /audio/x-ogg.xml would be more logical..
[11:12] <|trey|> Solkaris: yw  :)
[11:12] <Treenaks> |trey|: no, what about ogg theora :)
[11:12] <jacob> joem, ok, thanks for the info
[11:12] <Treenaks> |trey|: those are .ogg files as well
[11:13] <|trey|> Treenaks: imma shut up  ;)
[11:13] <Solkaris> aye thats what throws that out of wack .. but I dont have a single theora file yet so not a issue at this point
[11:13] <Solkaris> again thanks all and have a good night
[11:14] <|trey|> maybe media/ogg.xml? should be more obvious then "applications"
[11:14] <Treenaks> |trey|: read the MIME RFCs :)
[11:15] <jacob> btw, I'm having problems remounting a USB-storage device, ater I've mounted/unmounted it once. I do the unmounting cleanly I think.
[11:16] <|trey|> 'mount', make sure its not mounted... what does it say when you try?
[11:17] <rem> hi all can anyone help me troubleshoot some stuff on my freshly installed ubuntu..?
[11:17] <|trey|> rem: not if you don't tell us whats wrong  ;)
[11:17] <rem> my sound and scanner dont work no more ..
[11:17] <rem> ok..hold on ..
[11:18] <|trey|> rem: don't have a scanner, but my last reboot was to fix sound...
[11:18] <|trey|> I think a kernel upgraded  :/
[11:18] <Treenaks> I'm waiting for my USB GPS device :)
[11:19] <|trey|> Treenaks: that doesn't seem like it would make sense  :/
[11:19] <rem> when i try to play it tells me /dev/dsp doesnt exist ..but it does exist...i added the rw rights to it for al but it didnt change ..
[11:19] <jacob> |trey|, it isnt mounted, although "dmesg" says I have a new usb device detected
[11:19] <rem> also when i dmesg ..
[11:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: uh.. off-topic :)
[11:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: but then I'll have GPS + Kismet ;)
[11:20] <|trey|> Kismet?
[11:20] <rem> it gives me those lines:
[11:20] <rem> hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[11:20] <rem> hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[11:20] <rem> ide0: reset: success
[11:20] <Treenaks> |trey|: wifi scanner
[11:20] <rem> ...but if i run mandrake or debian i dont have em ..
[11:20] <jacob> |trey|, you think I might need to restart HAL or something?
[11:20] <|trey|> rem: I'm high, I forgot what the problem was  :(
[11:20] <|trey|> jacob: try that... 
[11:20] <jacob> oops, see youre talking to perhaps to many people right now |trey| 8)
[11:21] <Treenaks> to quote Overfiend:
[11:21] <jacob> ok, ill give it a shot
 Thunder-: when you get { MessagesLikeThisFromYourHardDrive }
 Thunder-: it either means { TheDriverIsScrewy }
 or
 { YourDriveIsFlakingOut BackUpYourDataBeforeIt'sTooLate
[11:21] <Treenaks>             PrayToGod }
[11:21] <rem> ubuntu is working pretty ok, but i get some messages like the one on dmesg, and most of all my sound and scanner are not working ..
[11:21] <|trey|> Treenaks: haha
[11:21] <perdix> rem: are you on a notebook?
[11:22] <rem> nope
[11:22] <jacob> wonder if theres a doc on how to restart services in ubuntu...
[11:22] <rem> deskop p3 800, 512mb ram, 80gb ibm ..
[11:23] <rem> lsmod: snd_cs46xx             83080  3
[11:23] <rem> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_cs46xx
[11:23] <rem> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[11:23] <rem> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_cs46xx
[11:23] <rem> gameport                4736  1 snd_cs46xx
[11:24] <perdix> rem: you might rmmod all sound modules, then modprobe snd_cs46xx and look at the end of dmesg for error messages... the /dev/hda errors shouldn't affect sound or stuff ... I think
[11:24] <Treenaks> rem: does dmesg say anything about interrupt/IRQ problems?
[11:24] <rem> i tried to google, and play arounf with it, but im pretty close to install Debian Sarge now ..
[11:25] <rem> hold on ..
[11:27] <rem> its been a while since ive been in irc...can i send a file to u (dmesg) ..
[11:28] <rem> k..
[11:28] <rem> treenaks..tryin to send u my dmesg ..
[11:30] <rem> i didnt see anything in it about IRQ probs ..
[11:32] <jacob> How do I restart HAL in ubuntu ?
[11:33] <maswan> you guys having dns problems with archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:33] <daniels> maswan: no
[11:33] <Noodles> Looks up for me.
[11:34] <daniels> can hit it very quickly from .au
[11:34] <maswan> Ok, wonder why the mirror rsync here said not found then..
[11:34] <daniels> oh, dunno about rsync.
[11:34] <maswan> rsync: getaddrinfo: archive.ubuntu.com 873: Host not found
[11:34] <maswan> that was the error message, so dns-related anyway.
[11:35] <rem> ..can anyone help with a sound problem ..?
[11:35] <daniels> daniels@brenna:~/canonical/xresprobe/xresprobe-0.4.10/ddcprobe% nc archive.ubuntu.com 873
[11:35] <daniels> @RSYNCD: 28
[11:37] <|trey|> calc: not bad :  http://vemod.net/slask/screenshots/kdebconf.png
[11:37] <rem> ..i also have a Canon Lide30 scanner that is supported by Sane and that was working fine in Mandrake that isnt recognized anymore ..
[11:40] <|trey|> daniels: thats GB's? I need that other drive  :o
[11:41] <daniels> |trey|: what's GB's?
[11:41] <|trey|> 28 gig for canonical rsync?
[11:41] <|trey|> (ubuntu)
[11:43] <|trey|> Debian is 40-something I think, so thats a big chunk  :)
[12:21] <Lathiat> a
[12:37] <g0tcha> hi
[12:38] <g0tcha> i am having some problems dual booting ubuntu with xp !!! can any1 help plz
[12:39] <Lathiat> g0tcha: Whats the problem
[12:40] <g0tcha> i created 2 partitions on an hp evo machine and installed xp on the first partition
[12:41] <Lathiat> right
[12:41] <Lathiat> I should point out you probably want 2 partitions for linux, one smaller (384mb or such) for swap
[12:42] <g0tcha> i then installed ubuntu on the second partition and when installing the grub boot loader said to install on the boot loader on the second partition and not the MBR, but after rebooting i still had an error saying " error loading operating system " how can i fix this ? or what am i doing wrong ?
[12:42] <g0tcha> as for the smaller swap partition ubuntu does that for you on the second partition !!!
[12:42] <Lathiat> g0tcha: ah ok
[12:42] <Lathiat> g0tcha: umm you should have installed it in the MBR
[12:43] <Lathiat> i think, seeno way it could work otherwise
[12:43] <Lathiat> you could reinstall and install in the MBR?
[12:43] <Lathiat> if that still really breaks it i can help you get windows back to booting
[12:44] <lonewolff> morning
[12:44] <lonewolff> are the XFree86 headers availale via yum?
[12:44] <daniels> yum? we use apt.
[12:44] <lonewolff> i meant apt sorry
[12:44] <daniels> apt-get install x-dev
[12:44] <lonewolff> aha
[12:45] <lonewolff> sorry abou that ive spent to long on fedora today
[12:45] <daniels> no worries
[12:45] <g0tcha> well, in the firt install i did install on the MBR as the ubuntu grub install menu tells you it found xp and if you install on the MBR it will give you an option to boot ubuntu or xp, but that doesnt happen it boots and gives a grub loading error 2
[12:59] <tonyknowsnothing> Good morning.
[01:17] <lonewolff> hi there, i installed the x-dev packaged to get x headers but i dont have Xutil.h any idea where i can get that for ubuntu?
[01:18] <daniels> no /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xutil.h?
[01:18] <lonewolff> nope
[01:19] <lonewolff> ah got it now
[01:19] <lonewolff> needed to install libx11-dev
[01:23] <tonyknowsnothing> Anyone know how to install glib-1.2.9 ?
[01:23] <Treenaks> tonyknowsnothing: apt-get install libglib1.2 ?
[01:24] <Treenaks> tonyknowsnothing: but you could also just apt-get install the program you need, it'll get the packages it depends on automatically
[01:24] <tonyknowsnothing> Run apt-get in a terminal? 
[01:25] <Treenaks> tonyknowsnothing: yes. you could also use synaptic from the menu
[01:25] <Treenaks> tonyknowsnothing: (be sure to run apt as root: sudo apt-get <etC>
[01:26] <zoghome> hi, just considering a test install of ubuntu (I am quite familiar with sarge, etc) - does ubuntu default kernel detect/have LVM2 volumes? - this is so I can use my usual home dir
[01:27] <ehb> I'm having trouble with the instalation cd, it says it's unable to mount the cd 
[01:31] <ehb> syslog doesn't give me more information that could be helpfull
[01:31] <ehb> just unable to open cdrom 
[01:39] <g0tcha> well any idea's on how to get the dual boot to work ?
[01:39] <ehb> sure is quite here, 
[01:40] <ehb> g0tcha, using grub ?
[01:42] <g0tcha> using anything !!!!
[01:42] <sikkh> lilo has easiest dualboot setup
[01:42] <sikkh> and grub has good docs ;)
[01:43] <g0tcha> well i tried install bootloader to MBR , breaks the system
[01:43] <ehb> g0tcha, guess you want to dual with windows ?
[01:44] <g0tcha> and i also tried installing to second partition on first disk also gives an error of "error loading operating system "
[01:44] <g0tcha> yes dual booting windows xp
[01:45] <ehb> g0tcha, title windows root (hdN,N) chainloader +1 change N by the correct nr  that should be added in your /etc/grub.conf file
[01:45] <ehb> then run grub with the root and setup commands, as in the docs
[01:45] <Treenaks> ehb: /etc/ ? or /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <ehb> Treenaks, right :-), most distro's keep it in /etc 
[01:47] <rem> hey all.. i have a problem with sound and scanner.. can anyone help ?
[01:48] <ehb> anyone knows why the boot cd couldn't be able to mount the cd rom ?
[01:48] <rem> this is my last attempt b4 i throw ubuntu away and go back to debian .. :(
[01:48] <Treenaks> rem: what is the problem?
[01:48] <Treenaks> still the sound and scanner?
[01:48] <rem> hey treenaks same prob ..
[01:48] <rem> yea
[01:48] <Treenaks> rem: are they detected?
[01:48] <rem> yup
[01:49] <Treenaks> rem: did you check for interrupt problems (does it work with pci=noacpi, for example)
[01:49] <rem> snd_cs46xx             83080  3
[01:49] <rem> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_cs46xx
[01:49] <rem> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[01:49] <rem> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_cs46xx
[01:49] <rem> gameport                4736  1 snd_cs46xx
[01:49] <rem> ..when i go in als it only give me for the TV card..same for scanner ..
[01:49] <rem> and not for my sound card ..
[01:49] <rem> BTB878 .
[01:50] <rem> i didnt see any irq probs in dmesg ..
[01:50] <Treenaks> rem: then yout bt878 is loaded before your real sound card
[01:50] <rem> how can i change that .. ?
[01:51] <rem> modprobe -r and then modprobe .. ? i know a little, but im not expert .. :)
[01:53] <Treenaks> rem: /etc/modules I _think_ .. or something configuring hotplug
[01:53] <Treenaks> rem: as I said, I don't really know
[01:57] <WW_> I am following these instructions: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[01:57] <WW_> ...and I installed ubuntu-desktop, but that replaced totem-xine (which I use for DVDs) with totem-gstreamer
[01:58] <WW_> When I try to put totem-xine back, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.
[01:58] <Kamion> that's fine, let it
[01:58] <Lathiat> removing ubuntu-desktop is not a problem
[01:58] <Lathiat> its simply  "meta-package"
[01:58] <Lathiat> which depends on everything else you need
[01:58] <Kamion> moving to totem-xine means you're diverging from the standard Ubuntu desktop, which is what ubuntu-desktop represents
[01:59] <WW_> OK, thanks.
[01:59] <WW_> Does anything in ubuntu require vim and vim-common?
[01:59] <rem> post-remove bttv rmmod tuner
[01:59] <rem>  in action
[02:00] <malte`> what's the package name i should install to get linux-686 ?
[02:00] <Kamion> "linux-686"
[02:00] <crimsun> that's it.
[02:00] <malte`> cool.
[02:01] <malte`> it's not in the warty main repository though
[02:01] <WW_> malte`: Have you updated?
[02:01] <WW_> (aka Reload in Synaptic)?
[02:01] <malte`> 4 hours ago
[02:01] <smo> it appears to me in 'restricted'
[02:02] <smo> be, rather
[02:02] <malte`> i have installed
[02:02] <malte`> linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:03] <WW_> It is in restricted.  Possibly because it depends on restricted modules? (e.g. graphics drivers)
[02:03] <malte`> that's from the main repository
[02:03] <malte`> i also see a linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:03] <malte`> from the same rep
[02:03] <Mithrandir> hi fs :)
[02:04] <malte`> it seems that "linux-686" is a meta package
[02:04] <WW_> malte`: Right, and it depends on linux-restricted-modules-686.
[02:06] <malte`> yes
[02:06] <malte`> got it
[02:06] <malte`> linux-686 is a meta-pkg that depends on a meta-pkg that depends on a meta-pkg that depends on the actual kernel image :D
[02:06] <malte`> plus the restricted-modules
[02:06] <WW_> Easy as cake :-)
[02:07] <smo> linux-restricted-modules-686 is a meta-pkg too ..
[02:08] <malte`> smo: same thing
[02:08] <smo> I just thought it added to the humour value :o)
[02:13] <|trey|> smo: you mean linux-restricted-modules-2.6-686 of course  :)
[02:14] <smo> nice
[02:14] <Kamion> smo: linux-restricted-modules-686 also exists
[02:15] <smo> I see that .. it's a meta that depends on -2.6, which is a meta that depends on ..the real thing  lol
[02:15] <|trey|> Got Yahoo Pool back, thankyou whoever decided to roll back till its fixed  :)
[02:18] <malte`> installing the -686 kernel doesn't remove the -386 one...
[02:19] <crimsun> as well it shouldn't
[02:19] <malte`> yep
[02:19] <malte`> just in case the newest doesn't work
[02:19] <malte`> will it be another choice in grub menu?
[02:19] <crimsun> yup.
[02:19] <malte`> what will the default be at the next boot?
[02:19] <Seveas> -686
[02:19] <malte`> thank you :)
[02:19] <crimsun> the latest one you installed will be the default
[02:20] <WW_> I'm not going to do this now, but is there a how-to for cleaning out old kernels that I will not use?
[02:20] <malte`> WW_: i think you can safely unmerg...err, remove them
[02:20] <malte`> :P
[02:20] <Seveas> maybe apt-get remove works
[02:20] <crimsun> it does
[02:20] <crimsun> you could also use synaptic
[02:20] <Seveas> :)
[02:20] <malte`> synaptic rules
[02:20] <crimsun> or dpkg or dselect or...
[02:21] <crimsun> :-)
[02:21] <Treenaks> aptitude
[02:21] <WW_> Ah, that sounds easy enough.  For some reason I thought I'd have to delete kernel files myself, and futz with grub.
[02:21] <Seveas> dselect :)
[02:27] <WW_> OK, I want to be sure here.  I installed ubuntu before all these linux-* metapackages showed up.  If I remove linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386, it will automatically clean up my grub menu?
[02:27] <malte`> ok i'm rebooting with the new kernel :)
[02:29] <Seveas> This channel doesn't seem to be really active...
[02:30] <jdub_> Seveas: it's often *very* active
[02:30] <jdub_> Seveas: we're just preparing for a release atm
[02:30] <Seveas> aha
[02:31] <Seveas> are there mainly developers in here or users?
[02:31] <Noodles> Or neither.
[02:31] <jdub_> Seveas: both, all the time
[02:32] <Seveas> great
[02:32] <GOwin> hello.  i have installed ubuntu on a partition on my laptop. im also running windows 2000 in the machine. how come i can't mount the windows partitions? i tried mepis live cd, and it automatically mounts those windows partitions. 
[02:32] <Seveas> GOwin
[02:32] <Seveas> what did you do to try mounting?
[02:36] <GOwin> double-clicked dev\hda7 from the file explorer ??
[02:36] <Seveas> hmm, I never tried it that way :)
[02:36] <Treenaks> GOwin: uh.. a / instead of a \
[02:37] <Seveas> GOwin are you familiar with using a linux shell?
[02:39] <GOwin> nope. not really. :)
[02:39] <GOwin> still new (again) with linux
[02:48] <mrjive> hi *
[03:05] <mrjive> i have a question...
[03:05] <mrjive> what is the relationship between ubuntu and debian?
[03:05] <Seveas> ubuntu is based on debian
[03:05] <Seveas> (roughly said)
[03:05] <mrjive> that is: if i change my sources to th debian ones, can i have a standard debina?
[03:05] <mrjive> *debian
[03:06] <mrjive> Seveas: yes I know :)
[03:06] <mrjive> Seveas: but people i sugget ubuntu to, ask me this, mostly
[03:06] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-woody
[03:07] <mrjive> i.e. also knoppix is based on debian, but it has modified scriptsetc..
[03:07] <spiv> mrjive: Also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[03:07] <mrjive> tnx i'll go and read
[03:07] <Seveas> thnx spiv, couldn't find that :)
[03:19] <samurai> in evolution 2, is spamd or the spamassassin script used?
[03:19] <samurai> I'm trying to figure out how to train it beyond using the "jink" button in the client
[03:20] <samurai> s/jink/junk
[03:23] <JanneM> spamd _is_ spamassassin, right?
[03:24] <Kamion> spamd is the persistent-server part of spamassassin
[03:25] <samurai> whereis spamd under ubuntu?
[03:26] <samurai> Is spamd missing from a normal ubuntu install?
[03:26] <duane> anyone have any expericve with evolution & exchange?
[03:27] <jdub> samurai: yes, we don't support it
[03:27] <jdub> duane: yes, i maintain that package
[03:28] <GOwin> duane. i tried it and it works.
[03:28] <samurai> jdub: does that mean that you lose the spam filtering capability of evo2 or have you backended it with some other spam filter?
[03:29] <jdub> samurai: for this release, it doesn't work unless you install spamassassin from universe
[03:30] <samurai> jdub: I might do that, but if I do will it interfere with future upgrades of evo2 once you do formally support it?
[03:30] <jdub> samurai: it shouldn't
[03:30] <samurai> jdub: cool thanks!!!
[03:30] <jdub> samurai: it's only worth enabling universe if you have to
[03:30] <|trey|> I think help is better grouped with about... its how it is in most applications...
[03:31] <samurai> jdub: I did enable it awhile back, although I don't recall which package I was wanting to install at the time....
[03:32] <JanneM> gnome-genius would be nice to have in a repo 
[03:32] <samurai> jdub: so far I really like what I see in Ubuntu... The only exception to this is the difficult with quickly creating custom gnome menus, otherwise its great
[03:32] <duane> jdub: I'm having some trouble getting my evolution to connect to exchange.  its a 2003 server, I'm specifying Domain\username, and using FQDN for all server names... but it seems to fail authentication. 
[03:33] <jdub> yeah
[03:33] <jdub> try:
[03:33] <jdub> domain\\username
[03:33] <jdub> or
[03:34] <jdub> username@domain
[03:34] <duane> jdub: well I had a brief flash of something, and then it dumped core on me....
[03:35] <jdub> did you dodge? :)
[03:36] <duane> jdub: no but I restarted it... now I get this "Error while Opening folder exchange://username@server/personal/Inbox. Could not get new messages."
[03:37] <duane> it's working some, I can see my contacts, and a couple of folders show some e-mail, but inbox does not work
[03:39] <duane> hmm, I'll read some of the Novell stuff... I think I'm configured right, but somethings still not right in the server.
[03:41] <dalderman> but guys, you got the logo in the wrong place on the splash dammit
[03:42] <duane> So I have another issue, anyone a sound guru?
[03:43] <duane> the sounds of silence are kind of ge6tting to me
[03:43] <duane> I have all kinds of kernel modules loading, including the one for my intel 810 chip, but no sound from gnome/X at all.
[03:45] <DanC> hmm... my kids' PC has a 4GB disk with win98. I used parted to squeeze out a 1.5GB linux partition and tried to install ubuntu. no joy. disk full.
[03:45] <DanC> I found a couple spare disk drives in the closed, but they're only ~1GB each.
[03:46] <duane> on my system: /dev/hda3              5716172   1782872   3642928
[03:46] <duane> thats 1.7 used
[03:46] <duane> and I'm sure more than that during package install/update
[03:47] <DanC> is there an equivalent to the debian-installer businesscard CD for ubuntu?
[03:50] <tonyknowsnothing> Can you point Synapic to a package and have it install it for you?
[03:50] <duane> can always dpkg -i package.deb
[03:53] <tonyknowsnothing> Where do I unpack the tar file I just downloaded....in the Home directory?
[03:55] <DanC> "rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker'
[03:56] <djtansey> any ibm thinkpad owners in here? 
[03:57] <djtansey> i'm looking to see if anyone has had any success with docking/undocking.
[03:57] <mojo> I need help
[03:58] <djtansey> mojo: of what sort?
[03:58] <mojo> my PC keep changing my DNS of my eth0 when start up (changing resolv.conf), I have to re-configure the DNS all the time
[03:58] <mojo> I'm using DHCP of my ADSL modem, on Windows, this doesn't happen
[03:59] <djtansey> mojo: do you mean you can't resolve any addresses because the DNS servers are wrong?
[04:00] <JanneM> um, anyone know why syslog may decide to put its output onto the system terminals all of a sudden?
[04:00] <mojo> no, the DNS is changed by my PC every time boot up, I want to let the PC leave my configured DNS intact
[04:02] <sii> is there any ubuntu equivalent of the searches on http://packages.debian.org ?
[04:02] <sii> they're very handy now and then
[04:02] <jdub> sii: not yet
[04:03] <spiv> mojo: It sounds like your DHCP server is returning the wrong settings?
[04:03] <cardador> hello. i just followed the upgrade instructions found on wiki, but then totem-xine was uninstalled because it conflicts with ubuntu-desktop. any suggestions?
[04:03] <sii> jdub: mkay
[04:03] <mojo> yeh, I think so 2. But this issue don't happen with Windows, so it'd be Linux fault?
[04:03] <Kamion> cardador: remove ubuntu-desktop if you prefer to use totem-xine
[04:04] <spiv> mojo: Potentially , changing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf could help... but I need to go to lunch...
[04:04] <cardador> hmm ok Kamion
[04:04] <mojo> cardador
[04:04] <mojo> dude
[04:04] <cardador> Kamion: i installed gxine
[04:04] <djtansey> mojo: you need to change dhclient.conf
[04:04] <mojo> thx djtansey
[04:04] <mojo> cardador
[04:04] <mojo> i think u got wrong package from wrong respo
[04:04] <mojo> u don't need to follow the wiki
[04:04] <djtansey> mojo: because dhcp gets the resolv.conf contents from wherever it connects to
[04:05] <mojo> i see, djtansey
[04:05] <cardador> mojo: all my repos are ubuntu ones
[04:05] <mojo> cardador: go to Synaptic, go to Setting -> Respository, choose the Universe respo
[04:05] <mojo> and search for totem-xine
[04:06] <mojo> the package at Universe respo is the good one
[04:07] <cardador> mojo: i did that, but if i installed totem-xine, ubuntu-desktop is removed
[04:07] <mojo> what version of Ubuntu ur using?
[04:08] <Kamion> removing ubuntu-desktop is fine, if you're not going to be using the exact set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop
[04:08] <Kamion> the purpose of that package is to allow you to track the set of Ubuntu desktop packages, but if you prefer to diverge that's fine too
[04:09] <cardador> mojo: its a fully updated ubuntu version
[04:10] <mojo> cardador: let me check, oh shit! this is a bug! Submit it!
[04:10] <mojo> cardador: it's a bug
[04:10] <Kamion> no, it's not a bug
[04:10] <Kamion> 15:08 < Kamion> removing ubuntu-desktop is fine, if you're not going to be using the exact set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop
[04:11] <Kamion> totem-xine necessarily conflicts with part of the standard set of desktop packages
[04:11] <mojo> cardador: sorri, it's not really a bug, it's just that totem-xine is the the supported build from Ubuntu, so it conflicts with Ubuntu-desktop somehow
[04:11] <cardador> Kamion: but its strange if i do whats on wiki, my kernel and a lot of stuff is updated, while if i use synaptic normally, it does not update
[04:11] <cardador> i mean the aptitude thing
[04:11] <jdub> mojo: totem-xine is *not* the supported version
[04:12] <mojo> jdub: I mistype lol
[04:12] <mojo> cardador: u have to sacrifice the Ubuntu desktop
[04:13] <mojo> and what is the function of those Ubuntu-**** anyway? can someone tell me?
[04:13] <mojo> Ubuntu-desktop is for??
[04:14] <Wsquared> Soon to be THE most frequently asked question: How do I change the the login background and the background of smaller window that comes up when I log in.  The newest version looks too much like a Calvin Klein ad. 
[04:14] <cardador> mojo: i prefered to sacrifice totem-xine :) now i use gxine
[04:16] <Wsquared> Wait... I just found Login Screen Setup...
[04:19] <mojo> wow, new background is cool, 3 nude models o^o
[04:21] <Wsquared> Login Screen Setup allows me to change the login screen, but how do I change the image in the Nautilus startup window that comes up when I login in?
[04:35] <maswan> @ERROR: Unknown module 'ubuntu'
[04:35] <maswan> you guys sure the archive is feeling fine?
[04:36] <Kamion> maswan: I noticed that too and mentioned it to elmo, should be fixed now
[04:36] <Kamion> maswan: rsync lacks virtual hosting :(
[04:36] <maswan> Kamion: Ah, thanks
[04:48] <tolle_> When installing different packages and such (from universe) they require ubuntu-desktop to be removed. Wont that cause problems when you need to upgrade the entire desktop environment and such?
[04:48] <tolle_> Since you doesn't have the metapackage left..
[04:49] <Kamion> tolle_: in that case you'll have to use the task in aptitude and make a best-effort; yes, it may cause problems
[04:57] <rapha[1] > Hiv all
[04:58] <rapha[1] > What does it mean when you call a release "mozilla-firefox-0.99+1.0PR1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu2?
[04:58] <rapha[1] > Especially the "revertedto" part?
[04:58] <Keybuk> version numbers have to increase
[04:58] <Keybuk> so 1.0PR1 has to be called 0.99+1.0PR1 to be < 1.0 when 1.0 is released
[04:59] <rapha[1] > Ah okay
[04:59] <Keybuk> and because there were so many bugs in that, and 1.0 wasn't going to be released in time for warty, we reverted back to 0.9.3-0ubuntu2 in the archive
[04:59] <rapha[1] > And what about the revertedto part?
[04:59] <rapha[1] > Ah okay
[04:59] <Keybuk> but that version number still has to be higher, so we add the +revertedto bit and the old version
[04:59] <rapha[1] > Thanks
[04:59] <rapha[1] > Hm-mm, makes sense then
[04:59] <Keybuk> dpkg can actually do the first bit if we'd named it 1.0~PR1, but then you couldn't upgrade from woody to warty
[05:00] <trip_out> wouldn't it have been easier to delete it?
[05:00] <trip_out> or is that a real problem for those who already have PR1 installed?
[05:01] <rapha[1] > Btw, will it be possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade when Hoary is out without having to do a reinstall?
[05:01] <rapha[1] > Respectively, if I do a dist-upgrade every day, will I have what you will call Hedgy eventually?
[05:02] <tseng> no, your sources.list pins hoary
[05:02] <tseng> er, warty
[05:02] <tseng> the next release is hoary, not hedgey
[05:02] <rapha[1] > Erm yeah, Hoary.
[05:03] <rapha[1] > I keep saying Hedgy, dunno why :-)
[05:03] <rapha[1] > And what means to "pin"?
[05:05] <mojo> I have a question
[05:06] <mojo> are there any program similar to HyperTerminal on Linux?
[05:06] <petemc> gtkterm
[05:08] <rapha[1] > Or, asking differently, what do I have to do in order to stay on top of Ubuntu development?
[05:08] <Noodles> Oooh, not seen gtkterm. I usually end up with cu.
[05:08] <Keybuk> trip_out: upgrades don't work if you delete it, like you say
[05:08] <Keybuk> rapha[1] : of course, just change sources.list to point to hoary when we start development and dist-upgrade into it
[05:10] <rapha[1] > Oh okay, cool
[05:10] <rapha[1] > Keybuk: And is there any good tutorial for building additional packages for Ubuntu?
[05:13] <Offray> Hi all
[05:14] <Keybuk> rapha[1] : just pick a Debian one, and work with that
[05:15] <Keybuk> rapha[1] : the same rules apply, even the same packages you need to install
[05:16] <rapha[1] > Okay. thanks.
[05:17] <Offray> I have just intalled mozilla-firefox from ubuntu repositories and then mozilla-firefox-locale-es
[05:17] <Offray> but I cant lauch it
[05:18] <Offray> i get this error message:
[05:18] <Offray>  Error: No running window found
[05:18] <Offray> auto selected locale: es-AR
[05:18] <Offray> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[05:18] <Offray> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[05:18] <mojo> are there any GTK2 port of OOo.org?
[05:18] <mojo> are there any GTK2 port of OOo.org?
[05:18] <Mithrandir> mojo: none that I know of for warty, no.
[05:20] <rapha[1] > Keybuk: Hmm. I'm wondering, if everything is the same as in Debian, where is the difference because of which you can't just use Debian repositories without problems under Ubuntu?
[05:21] <Keybuk> rapha[1] : the packages are rebuilt with different CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, and dependencies
[05:21] <Keybuk> so the md5sum of the resulting .deb files are different to those in Debian
[05:21] <Keybuk> (and, indeed, things like the installed-size)
[05:22] <Keybuk> but the versions are the same, because it was just a rebuild and no actual change to the package
[05:22] <Keybuk> APT can't handle that, and actually picks a random package out of the two in the sources
[05:22] <Keybuk> where random might not be the same choice as next time you run apt
[05:22] <Keybuk> so you forever and up flipping back and forth between Debian packages and Ubuntu packages
[05:25] <ioslipstream> Offray: going over the logs of ubuntu-meeting from yesterday, i noticed that there were bugs with locale-es
[05:25] <ioslipstream> so you aren't the only one
[05:25] <ioslipstream> i think it's on bugzilla, maybe there is a solution there?
[05:25] <enabl> is the release candidate out today?
[05:26] <Kamion> enabl: very soon indeed
[05:26] <enabl> ooh cool, thanks Kamion
[05:27] <Offray> ioslipstream, Ok, I will try to see bugzilla
[05:27] <Offray> for the moment I will try to uninstall locale-es and see what happen
[05:28] <tolle_> mojo: There is a Ximian version of it, but you have to compile it yourself or so.
[05:28] <tolle_> mojo: it blends better with the rest of GNOME
[05:29] <ioslipstream> Offray: yes, the firefox-locale-es was mentioned in the meeting yesterday, quote follows:
[05:29] <ioslipstream> Offray: Oct 12 11:30:32 <thom>  for firefox locale, i think the best fix is just to remove -es and -gl, sadly
[05:31] <|CrEaToR|> Anyone know why I can't log on to the internet with my Ubuntu ? I get an ip from dhcp (router).Can also log into router. And there are other computers connectet and logged on to the internet through the router...
[05:31] <rapha[1] > Keybuk: I see. And when I build Ubuntu packages under Ubuntu, those settings will already be correct?
[05:31] <Offray> ioslipstream, I have removed and I get the same erro but for english:  No running window found
[05:31] <Offray> auto selected locale: en-US
[05:32] <Offray> and then nothing :-s
[05:33] <ioslipstream> perhaps try reinstalling mozilla-firefox?
[05:33] <spiv> |CrEaToR|: perhaps your dhcp server isn't setting your dns settings correctly?
[05:33] <spiv> |CrEaToR|: check that your /etc/resolv.conf has the right values
[05:34] <rapha[1] > Creator: and tell us the output of `route -n'.
[05:35] <Offray> I will try
[05:36] <tolle_> It has been ages since I used a debian based distro, to build a kernel package.. make-kpkg and what?
[05:36] <Keybuk> tolle_: do your make menuconfig/oldconfig/etc. then 'make-kpkg --initrd --revision custom.1 binary' or similar
[05:37] <tolle_> ok
[05:42] <Kolyan>  /join #russian or /join #moscow
[05:42] <tolle_> Where does it put the .deb file?
[05:53] <ehehe> nice new wallpaper i had today after a reboot :)
[05:55] <ehehe> 1 naked guy and 2 naked girls.. my first taught wast that someone had hacked my system.
[05:55] <JakeandBake> ahha...nice.
[05:56] <ehehe> i guess ubuntu-artwork or something was updated 
[05:57] <arauko> hello
[05:57] <arauko> ubuntu has gcc and g++ installed by default?
[05:57] <Tzalidar> nopr
[05:57] <Tzalidar> nope
[05:57] <Kosai> No.  You need to apt-get install build-essential.
[05:57] <arauko> Ah, thanks.
[05:58] <ehehe> anyone know whats up with the wallpaper change
[05:59] <Tzalidar> nope
[05:59] <Tzalidar> i haven't upgraded ubuntu since install though
[05:59] <arauko> Kosai, with that i already will be able to use gcc and g++ right?
[06:00] <Tzalidar> arauko, just try it out :) # gcc -version
[06:01] <Tzalidar> oh, meant gcc --version
[06:01] <Tzalidar> that should tell you the version of gcc
[06:01] <Tzalidar> and thus it should be at least installed :)
[06:06] <Tzalidar> ehehe: read on the mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005674.html
[06:07] <arauko> Tzalidar, any reason why it doesnt bring those commands insytalled by default?
[06:07] <spiv> arauko: Most users don't need a compiler.
[06:08] <arauko> we could say it is a more developer oriented tool right?
[06:08] <spiv> arauko: There's been plenty of discussion of this on the list :)
[06:08] <Tzalidar> arauko: i believe it is because as spiv says, most users don't need the compiler
[06:09] <tolle_> Gotta love dc_gui2
[06:09] <arauko> I see, since you have apt-get thats true.
[06:09] <Tzalidar> yeah
[06:09] <Tzalidar> although i also think that they should be there by default, i understand why they don't have them there as a default
[06:12] <tolle_> Are there any nice firefox themes to blend in with the default ubuntu human theme?
[06:15] <arauko> mm
[06:15] <arauko> isnt gcc unpacked during the Ubuntu installation?
[06:16] <smo> I believe it's on the CD, but not installed by default
[06:17] <jacob> Arent there any totem-gstreamer plugins for the "msmpeg" video format ?
[06:18] <arauko> Thanks.
[06:20] <georgia> hi
[06:20] <Qerub> Where is pmount invoked?
[06:21] <tolle_> After doing a make-kpkg, isnt there supposed to be a .deb of it somewhere?
[06:22] <Qerub> Where is pmount invoked? <- gvm
[06:22] <JakeandBake> I'm looking to getting ATI's proprietary driver to work with Kernel 2.6.* (which isn't supported yet). I read a short article here: http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/radeon.shtml on someone who did it successfully with Fedora, but he mentions "DCC monitor" and my searches on google have only yeilded results about model trains and IRC file transfers. Could anyone explain DCC and whether or not it has an relavence to what I am tr
[06:22] <JakeandBake> ying to do?
[06:23] <lifeless> I don't think it does, it works fine for me..
[06:24] <lifeless> are you using the debian packages? 
[06:24] <JakeandBake> I didn't see any debian packages on ATI's website. I was planning to get the rpms and convert them with alien.
[06:24] <goatboy> JakeandBake: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <jdub> JakeandBake: the driver is included with ubuntu
[06:25] <georgia> JakeandBake, if i'm not much mistaken dcc in that respect would probably be the technical name for "plug and play monitor" dont know much about it though.
[06:25] <JakeandBake> i have used that driver included with Ubuntu, I haven't been able to get it to work.
[06:26] <lIoNhEaRt> Anybody know why threads appear not to work in Perl on Ubuntu?
[06:26] <Kosai> lIoNhEaRt: perl -V, tell me what it says for 'usethreads'.
[06:27] <Kosai> A debian/stable perl is "usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef", so it's not so surprising that Ubuntu would do the same.
[06:27] <lIoNhEaRt> usethreads=define use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=define
[06:27] <Kosai> Oh.  That is interesting.  What's not working?
[06:27] <JakeandBake> thanks goatboy, i think this might be exactly what i'm looking for
[06:29] <lIoNhEaRt> I ported an multi-thread application and it behaved stragely, so I wrote a small test app and it shows only one thread in ps, whereas it normally shosw many threads
[06:30] <Kosai> What happens when you run:
[06:30] <Kosai> % perl -Mthreads -le 'my $thread = threads->create(sub { print "hello!" }); $thread->join;'
[06:30] <Mithrandir> lIoNhEaRt: that's because we're using NPTL which gives you real POSIX threads, unlike old linuxthreads.
[06:30] <Kosai> 'cause, if that works, you're going to need to give a lot more information about how you think ubuntu is broken.
[06:31] <will> how do you play wmv files? i have tried vlc, but just get sound!
[06:31] <lIoNhEaRt> That was what I was worried about... yes it runs...
[06:34] <JakeandBake> will: http://breakintheweb.com/
[06:35] <JakeandBake> the latest article on that site gives a tutorial and a link to download a driver pack
[06:35] <lIoNhEaRt> I will try to get a 4-5 line program that shows the problem.
[06:35] <JakeandBake> with that, you can play any video format with xine (gxine, totem based on xine, kaffeine, etc.)
[06:36] <will> jakeandbake: thaks!
[06:36] <will> thanks even!
[06:36] <will> also- why has ubuntu 'degraded' firefox?
[06:37] <will> downgraded even
[06:37] <JakeandBake> probably a stability/security issue that they plan on waiting for the mozilla team to fix. just a guess though...
[06:38] <rapha[1] > Yes
[06:38] <rapha[1] > Had too many bugs
[06:39] <lIoNhEaRt> Mintrandir: That means threads don't show up as separate processes in a ps -ef?
[06:42] <lIoNhEaRt> Mithrandir: Would that affect the way theads that exec other programs behave?
[06:43] <cardador> will warty ubuntu have new icons, or will we stick with gnome icons?
[06:43] <ficusplanet> Whenever I open totem-xine right after logging-in I get a blue screen.  It works fine if I close it and re-open.  What would cause this?
[06:44] <sabdfl> will: too many bugs in the current 1.0 preview that are not going to be fixed by our final release
[06:44] <sabdfl> it's a mess of a downgrade though, sorry about that
[06:44] <sabdfl> 1.0 introduces all sorts of incompatibilities
[06:45] <sabdfl> cardador: gnome, we missed deadline for new icons for warty, unfortunately
[06:45] <will> try switching to fullscreen ficusplanet - then it shoud work, or get vlc
[06:45] <cardador> sabdfl: but i noticed on theme manager that i can choose human icons, altough they dont look finished
[06:46] <trip_out> hi - before i install, i was wonderring if the amd64 port has 32bit libraries installed as well? eg could I then install the x86 firefox so that flash works?
[06:46] <sabdfl> yes, that's the development series that we switched away from at te last minute
[06:46] <sabdfl> we'll keep working on those and hopefully they go into hoary
[06:46] <sabdfl> svg-everywhere will be nice :-)
[06:46] <cardador> ok thanks
[06:46] <sabdfl> guys, i'm here to answer questions about the new themes
[06:46] <will> sabdfl: i had, last night something on my Applications menu that was a 'file manager' how do i get it back on the menu? and where has it gone??
[06:47] <sabdfl> saw some action on the ubuntu-user list so thought i'd come by and get feedback directly
[06:47] <cardador> sabdfl: what new themes?
[06:47] <mdz> the new artwork
[06:47] <Kamion> cardador: upgrade ubuntu-artwrk
[06:47] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork, that is
[06:47] <sabdfl> cardador: apt-get update
[06:47] <spiv> And gdm.
[06:47] <cardador> i already did
[06:47] <sabdfl> cardador: then you'll be just fine ;-)
[06:48] <cardador> gdm is the same, just some new wallpapers
[06:48] <jdub> spiv: (naw, just u-a)
[06:48] <spiv> jdub: Really?  Ok :)
[06:48] <jdub> cardador: u-a has a new version of the gdm theme in it too
[06:48] <georgia> well, ive just installed, so i'm guessing what i can see is the new artwork
[06:48] <spiv> The perils upgrading packags indiscrimately ;)
[06:48] <georgia> i quite like it, but i'm likely to change it at some point later
[06:49] <cardador> jdub: and how do i change the gdm theme? or does it change automatically? 
[06:49] <sabdfl> the default image for new installs is the one with the ubuntu logo
[06:49] <jdub> cardador: it should load the updated theme automatically
[06:49] <Keybuk> which reminds me, the netboot image still carries a Debian logo
[06:49] <sabdfl> unfortunately we had set the preview to the calendar image, so everyone with the calendar image gets a surprise when they update today
[06:49] <cardador> jdub: it didnt
[06:49] <mdz> sabdfl: they do?  we tried to avoid that
[06:50] <jdub> libgnome needs an update
[06:50] <mdz> in my tests, I got the default background, not the calendar
[06:50] <mdz> on upgrade
[06:50] <Keybuk> sabdfl: depends; if they never opened the "Change Desktop Background" dialog then they'll get the new default background
[06:50] <jdub> or u-a, if we want the -ubuntu image to be the calendar image
[06:50] <sabdfl> ok
[06:50] <Keybuk> if they open the background dialog, they'll get the calendar image
[06:50] <sabdfl> ok
[06:50] <sabdfl> thanks keybuk
[06:50] <Keybuk> they opened, even
[06:50] <jdub> Keybuk: oh yeah, that's a dumb bug
[06:51] <Keybuk> jdub: yeah, the dialog spams settings into gconf even if you change nothing *sigh*
[06:51] <Kamion> georgia: if it involves images of people, it's the new artwork
[06:51] <mdz> jdub: "the"?  several others seem to work that way as well
[06:51] <jdub> mdz: the which who what?
[06:51] <georgia> yeah
[06:51] <mdz> er
[06:51] <georgia> its nice
[06:51] <mdz> s/jdub/Keybuk/
[06:51] <will> does anyone know how to get the nautilus file manager?
[06:51] <sabdfl> georgia: thank you
[06:52] <mdz> will: FAQ, search for 'spatial'
[06:52] <georgia> you certainly picked cute people anyway :)
[06:52] <sabdfl> erm, jdub, did we drop the sabrina image altogether (please say yes)
[06:52] <mdz> isn't it still in the wiki?
[06:52] <jdub> sabdfl: u-a has never had sabrina in it
[06:53] <jdub> but it's still on the wiki, to everyone's amusement
[06:53] <mdz> yes, there have been a number of comments about that
[06:53] <Keybuk> s/to/for/ :p
[06:53] <sabdfl> ok, time for sabrina to leave the wiki
[06:53] <jdub> SABRINA HAS LEFT THE BUILDING
[06:53] <will> mdz: search what FAQ?
[06:53] <mdz> will: the one in the topic of this channel
[06:54] <will> mdz: haha didnt see it! thanks
[06:54] <sabdfl> no sign of sabrina in the wiki now on the artwork page
[06:54] <sabdfl> was i too slow?
[06:54] <sabdfl> there was a mail the other day that I though implied sabrina was in fact still on the installer somewhere, or was that live cd?
[06:55] <mdz> sabdfl: WartyWarthog/Images
[06:55] <sabdfl> ah
[06:55] <sabdfl> bye
[06:58] <sabdfl> bye bye sabrina
[06:58] <trans_err> wow! This is great!
[06:58] <Treenaks> I keep thinking of Red vs Blue when I read the name 'Warthog'
[06:58] <trans_err> I just shipped over from debian camp, and WOW! The prelinking makes such a huge difference!
[06:59] <georgia> ooh, she was cute too! shame she had to go
[06:59] <mdz> trans_err: the what?
[06:59] <Kamion> trans_err: we don't do prelinking :-)
[06:59] <trans_err> what?!
[06:59] <trans_err> Then what makes it feel so speedy?
[06:59] <Kamion> trans_err: we do, however, use a linker option to optimise linker hash tables
[06:59] <mdz> magic
[06:59] <Kamion> that may help
[06:59] <mdz> Kamion: no, we don't do that either
[07:00] <Kamion> mdz: don't we use -Wl,-O1? Jeff said we were using that everywhere
[07:00] <jdub> no i didn't
[07:00] <Kamion> uh, let me go find the link
[07:00] <trans_err> well- however you do it- I'm really impressed
[07:00] <jdub> we're using it on most of gnome
[07:00] <mdz> Kamion: some of the GNOME packages use it
[07:00] <mdz> but it's not a global thing by any means
[07:01] <Kamion> jdub: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html
[07:01] <Keybuk> Kamion: jdub 
[07:01] <Keybuk> Kamion: jdub's only referring to GNOME there
[07:01] <Kamion> "All of Ubuntu is built with it by default."
[07:01] <Kamion> well, be less misleading then :-)
[07:01] <mdz> so that's how that rumour got started :-)
[07:02] <Kamion> "All of Ubuntu" is pretty categorical phrasing
[07:02] <spiv> gentoo thinks we use it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909 ;)
[07:02] <Keybuk> I suspect we get a massive boost from our choice of mcpu and march though
[07:02] <sabdfl> well guess he just wanted prelinking
[07:03] <Keybuk> spiv: we use it where it matters
[07:03] <Keybuk> it makes bugger all difference to (e.g.) shell and perl run during boot-up
[07:05] <Treenaks> any evolution-experts in here?
[07:05] <Treenaks> ja
[07:05] <Treenaks> s/ja//
[07:09] <georgia> bbiab, gotta fix some permissions under osx and then i'll be back :)
[07:09] <Seveas> I have studied the evolution of mankind briefly if that's what you're hoping for ;)
[07:12] <amu> Seveas: *eg* 
[07:12] <Seveas> :)
[07:12] <Seveas> Treenaks what's the problem?
[07:13] <JakeandBake> Does anyone know why reloading in synaptic fails with certain servers? Have those servers been removed and replaced or are they just down/overloaded?
[07:14] <georgia> lo
[07:14] <JakeandBake> I'm talking about with the server list that came built in with ubuntu, not repositories i have added manually...
[07:14] <Treenaks> Seveas: nm, I'm asking on #evolution :)
[07:16] <sri> so..
[07:16] <sri> my evo exchange plugin doesn't work
[07:17] <sri> apparnetly there is a patch that needs to be applied to openldap
[07:17] <sri> in order to get it to work
[07:17] <sri> anybody know what I'm talking about? :)
[07:17] <amu> btw. is there now an easy way to build a new personal cert, like at kontact ? 
[07:19] <Seveas> hmm, I have some script that automagically creates certs
[07:20] <Seveas> just give a DN :)
[07:20] <Seveas> including signing with my own CA, but that;s just because i dont want to pay for real certs
[07:20] <amu> no prob to build one, integration at evo should be done, imho   
[07:21] <Seveas> yep
[07:21] <will> i have '/dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    user,gid=william,umask=002      0       0
[07:21] <will> ' in my fstab but some folders have a 'key' symbol on them and i cant delete em...whats going on?
[07:22] <Seveas> what are the privileges?
[07:22] <will> seveas: where do i find the privileges?
[07:23] <ficusplanet> Are you guys going to stick with the new splash screens and such as default?
[07:26] <Seveas> will, open a terminal and do cd /mnt/c/
[07:27] <Seveas> then you do ls -l, the first few charactars (rwx stuff) are the privileges
[07:27] <sri> this is nuts, I can't seem to change my bugzilla password :/
[07:27] <Seveas> what are those characters for folders with keys
[07:27] <Seveas> ay, thats not good sri
[07:27] <sri> it says to sending my password to my account but I have not yet received it after 10 minutes.
[07:28] <will> seveas: the keys are in the nautilus file manager
[07:29] <sabdfl> ficusplanet: the default desktop is the one with the logo
[07:29] <sabdfl> the preview had the calendar image, which just got updated to be.. the calendar image
[07:29] <will> dr-xr-xr-x   34 root     william      8192 Apr  6  2004 Program <<that one is locked
[07:29] <ficusplanet> sabdfl, What about GDM and the spalsh?
[07:30] <sabdfl> ficusplanet: yes, those are likely final, with tweaks
[07:30] <ficusplanet> The ones with the people are final?
[07:30] <Seveas> will those privileges mean that you cannot write them
[07:30] <sabdfl> with tweaks for spacing
[07:31] <Seveas> probably a good idea since I guess that that one is "Program Files"
[07:31] <ficusplanet> That is awesome.  I'm glad you guys are sticking with them.  I think they fit "Ubuntu" perfectly.
[07:31] <will> seveas: i have not set any specific permissions thoug
[07:32] <Seveas> no, but Ubunto does that for you :)
[07:32] <Seveas> Ubuntu*
[07:32] <trans_err> why are fonts like new courier not available?
[07:33] <LinuxJones> trans_err, those are Microsoft fonts
[07:33] <will> seveas: why is that? and its done it on some other drives i have too
[07:33] <trans_err> yes, but I thought they were freely available?
[07:34] <LinuxJones> trans_err, in the universe repo there is the msttcorefonts package which will install them for you.
[07:35] <trans_err> LinuxJones, thanks
[07:36] <LinuxJones> trans_err, ;)
[07:43] <cardador> hmm big discussion on the mailing list about the new themes
[07:43] <LinuxJones> Everbody is too quite...what is going on :)
[07:44] <will> whats going on with the new themes?
[07:45] <cardador> a lot of people is against showing half naked people on the theme
[07:45] <will> why would ubuntu do that??
[07:46] <cardador> dont ask me
[07:46] <will> if its women its ok...but i dont want naked men on ubuntu
[07:46] <cardador> eheh you have 2 girls and 1 man
[07:47] <hypatia> will: how on earth can you resolve the issue with the people who'll only want naked men?
[07:47] <hypatia> one of the fundamental problems in society today: which gender should be forced to keep their clothes on?
[07:48] <theantix> I think the new theme only shows by default to people that grabbed the preview release
[07:48] <hypatia> theantix: sounds like the GDM theme will be default
[07:48] <cardador> theantix: so what is the deefault for people who dont?
[07:49] <will> well, do a 'girls' pack option, with naked men, and a 'guys' pack with girls....SIMPLE
[07:49] <cardador> yes, gdm and splash screen
[07:49] <CoconutPete> how can i enable my pci vid card in ubuntu instead of using the onboard?
[07:49] <theantix> cardador: if you right-click on the and choose "use desktop theme" -- I think that's it
[07:49] <will> of course it would have to be an option on install
[07:49] <Kamion> The desktop background is only the way it is on upgrade; right-click, change desktop background, select "default wallpaper"
[07:49] <LinuxJones> CoconutPete, desable your onboard video in yoru systems bios
[07:50] <CoconutPete> LinuxJones, I did, but it only displays a black screen when i boot into the os
[07:50] <cardador> Kamion: and can one change gdm and splash? i dont have a problem with those, but i wanted to install ubuntu on my boss pc
[07:51] <Kamion> cardador: yes; gdmsetup for the former, gconf-editor -> /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image for the latter
[07:51] <spiv> cardador: Computer -> System Preferencces -> Login Screen Setup.
[07:51] <tolle> Are the mail-notification applet available anywhere in a deb for ubuntu?
[07:51] <hypatia> will: It gets even MORE complication, what with guys liking a bit of guy and girls liking girls.
[07:51] <spiv> Kamion: Ah, I was wondering wehre the latter was set :)
[07:51] <cardador> Kamion: but ubuntu has only 1 gdm theme
[07:51] <theantix> I'm not getting any new gdm or splash screen -- wonder why that is
[07:51] <tolle> or, rather. How to get hold of more extra packages other then the ones in universe.
[07:51] <JakeandBake> When Ubuntu starts up, dma is not enabled on my Western Digital 40 GB HDD (not special edition). Information I have found with google has pointed to a flaky VIA chipset. I suspect it is more along the lines of a driver issue because i didn't have this issue with Gentoo. Any thoughts?
[07:51] <hypatia> will: Too complex for the ken of one little operating system.
[07:52] <JakeandBake> I can enable dma with hdparm, but it loses the setting by itself after a while
[07:52] <Kamion> cardador: it's true that there's only one Ubuntu theme, but you can switch to any of the GNOME ones ...
[07:52] <will> oh, i see the problem......
[07:52] <JakeandBake> what is weird is that dma is enable on my other two hard drives (both western digital with 8MB cache...one is 120GB and one is 200GB)...
[07:52] <Kamion> (We should ship an additional Ubuntu theme. Choice is good.)
[07:52] <will> the original ubuntu login was better
[07:53] <JakeandBake> i don't know....i like naked people
[07:53] <JakeandBake> lol
[07:53] <cardador> lol
[07:53] <JakeandBake> they just look happier
[07:53] <sabdfl> we can make a neatened version of the preview gdm login screen. good idea
[07:53] <will> nothing wrong with it!
[07:53] <cardador> Kamion: it would be a nice ideia to include this theme and the previous
[07:54] <will> anyone know how to open multi set .rar files in ubuntu?
[07:55] <hypatia> I think I have a "not for you" reaction to partial nudity.
[07:55] <hypatia> Anybody using partial nudity to sell anything is never trying to sell it to me.
[07:55] <theantix> will: if you get "rar" from the debian-marillat packages in the faq, you should be able to do that
[08:00] <will> theantix: what is the address for sources.list?
[08:03] <LinuxJones> will, >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[08:03] <grimborg> hi!
[08:03] <topyli> very dissappointed with the ubuntu "monthly calendar", at least this month. i anticipated a picture of close-to-nature humans, preferably in modern settings, but we got something like a hugo boss advertisement :(
[08:04] <theantix> will -- deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:04] <grimborg> i've just moved from gentoo to ubuntu. looks good :) but, what application can i use to burn data dvd's?
[08:04] <topyli> grimborg: nautilus :)
[08:05] <grimborg> topyli, thanks! i've moved from kde to gnome as well. looks like nautilus kinda does everything.. :) i'll give it a try
[08:05] <will> do you mean rar-2.80
[08:05] <topyli> grimborg: you'll install k3b sooner or later anyway, nautilus only does data
[08:06] <LinuxJones> grimborg, k3b is available for install as well, thank god ;P
[08:06] <topyli> grimborg: but apt will draw GIGABYTES of kde libraries with it :(
[08:07] <grimborg> LinuxJones, oh, where is it? i just did an apt-cache search and couldn't find it...
[08:07] <LinuxJones> topyli, only 29 megs or so :D
[08:07] <will> doesnt that give you all the kde dependant packages though??? why?!?!?!
[08:07] <LinuxJones> grimborg, you need to add the universe repository
[08:07] <grimborg> topyli, how can i burn dvd with nautilus? i tried opening /dev/dvd but didn't work
[08:07] <grimborg> LinuxJones, thanks! i'll do that
[08:07] <will> get xcdraost!!!
[08:08] <will> it works pretty well
[08:08] <LinuxJones> grimborg, np
[08:08] <topyli> grimborg: in any nautlilus window, look at the "places" menu
[08:08] <will> topyli: XCDROAST
[08:08] <topyli> will: true as well :)
[08:09] <grimborg> topyli, ooh, it's there:) thanks!!
[08:09] <topyli> grimborg: just drag&drop some stuff there and choose "burn" from the "file" menu
[08:10] <topyli> grimborg: but sooner or later, you will want k3b, or XCDROAST!, as will says :)
[08:11] <ficusplanet> And soon Coaster will be working using nautilus-cd-burner as a backend and rhythmbox and muine both have pending cd burning patches.
[08:11] <grimborg> topyli, ok! i guess i'll add universe and apt-get it :) thx!
[08:11] <clee> ficusplanet: actually, rb has the cd-burning in walters' main archive
[08:11] <topyli> ficusplanet: i'm not holding my breath on that :(
[08:12] <topyli> good luck though
[08:12] <ficusplanet> topyli, The rb and muine stuff is pretty definite.
[08:12] <topyli> ficusplanet: i only doubt the libburn stuff. you'll have to have a pretty reliable backend
[08:13] <ficusplanet> topyli, libburn isn't being used for Coaster anymore (at least temporarily).  The Coaster guys are going to use the nautilus-burn backend.
[08:13] <topyli> oh. i'm not up to date, sorry :\
[08:14] <ficusplanet> topyli, Eh, I just read it on planet gnome a day or two ago.
[08:14] <theantix> topyli: what, you don't obsess over p.g.o?  :-)
[08:15] <topyli> ficusplanet: that's pretty cool. the nautilus backend should be the main focus, no reason to duplicate effort
[08:15] <ficusplanet> topyli, I agree.  OK, gotta go.
[08:15] <topyli> theantix: what's that i'm supposed to be obsessed about?
[08:15] <theantix> topyli: planet.gnome.org -- but I was just kidding :-)
[08:16] <topyli> oh. haven't checked liferea for a couple of days :)
[08:17] <topyli> it's about the only news source for me now, and i have some work too (or so they say)
[08:19] <tolle> Hmms, Ubuntu doesn't support to many locales by default?
[08:20] <tolle> Can't set LC_CTYPE to sv_SE as in swedish.
[08:20] <topyli> tolle: swedish? you must be kidding :)
[08:20] <offray-busy> Hi all
[08:20] <topyli> it supports everything
[08:21] <Treenaks> topyli: did you configure that locale using dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[08:21] <topyli> hmm - let me see
[08:22] <spikeb> does the ubuntu kernel have bootsplash support compiled in, or do i need to compile a custom one?
[08:22] <LinuxJones> How do I add proprietary plugins in Totem. It just opens a nautilus window. Do I make links to the libraries under /usr/local/win32 ??
[08:22] <offray-busy> I'm trying to install xfce from different repositories of the one presented in ubuntu
[08:22] <offray-busy> but seems that both have the same priority
[08:22] <tolle> topyli, not as i swedish menus and stuff, just to make nautilus and stuff support ???
[08:22] <spikeb> Linux you can do that, or you can just put the plugins in the directory nautilus opens
[08:22] <spikeb> er
[08:22] <spikeb> that was to LinuxJones
[08:23] <topyli> tolle: do you mean locale or translation now?
[08:23] <tolle> locale
[08:23] <tolle> not translation
[08:23] <grimborg> how do i get more than 1 desktop ?
[08:23] <LinuxJones> spikeb, thanks it's not very clear as to what your supposed to do :)
[08:23] <tolle> I just want all the letters to be shown.
[08:23] <topyli> tolle: well, both finnish and proper swedish are there.
[08:23] <spikeb> LinuxJones, i think that only works for totem-xine though.
[08:23] <spikeb> not the default totem
[08:23] <offray-busy> how can I say to debian that choose xfld repositories over ubuntu for xfce related stuff?
[08:23] <grimborg> sorry, its ok now ;)
[08:24] <tolle> topyli, realy? LC_CTYPE="sv_SE" gedit just spits out alot of errors.
[08:24] <topyli> tolle: but let me see, i have the same situation, i want an english-speaking system with finnish stuff.
[08:24] <tolle> You got ??? in finland to right?
[08:25] <Treenaks> I have an English-speaking system with Dutch settings...
[08:25] <Treenaks> and it works fine
[08:25] <topyli> here too
[08:25] <topyli> not dutch, finnish
[08:25] <topyli> :)
[08:25] <Treenaks> set LANG to your "settings" language, and LC_MESSAGES to the language you want your apps to speak
[08:26] <Treenaks> add both to /etc/locale.gen, run locale-gen -- voila! (or dpkg-reconfigure locales for this step)
[08:26] <EY> hi
[08:26] <tolle> (gedit:4786): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[08:26] <tolle> I only get those..
[08:26] <EY> still haven't fixed the problem of the ubuntu installer not allowingme to partition anything
[08:26] <tolle> ok
[08:26] <EY> the hard disk is not there, ie. no /dev/hde :-(
[08:26] <Treenaks> tolle: then you forgot to generate the locale
[08:26] <topyli> tolle: ok, when i issue in a terminal "LC_CTYPE="sv_SE" gedit", i get some gtk warnings, but gedit works fine. there's the euro sign and everything
[08:26] <EY> I have a working linux ssytem, can i install ubuntu via internet?
[08:27] <Treenaks> topyli: still.. it can be fixed by using "my" way :)
[08:27] <spikeb> does the ubuntu kernel have bootsplash support compiled in, or do i need to compile a custom one?
[08:27] <spiv> spikeb: the ubuntu kernel doesn't have bootsplash.
[08:27] <spikeb> ok
[08:27] <tolle> Treenaks, yeah, noticed.. hehe
[08:28] <topyli> tolle, generate both the swedish and US english locales and set US as the default
[08:28] <topyli> or C
[08:28] <tolle> yeah, I know how to set them, just forgot that not all dists generate then all. hehe
[08:28] <beezly> anyone else seeing my Evolution bug?
[08:28] <beezly> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2289
[08:29] <topyli> tolle: that's common :)
[08:29] <topyli> tolle: then set lc_ctype, lc_paper and lesscharset to be swedish in /etc/environment so that you don't get everyting in the american way
[08:30] <Treenaks> topyli: you want LANG to swedish, LC_MESSAGES to en_US
[08:30] <will> whats the difference between GTK and MOTIF?
[08:30] <Treenaks> topyli: so EVERYTHING is Swedish, except for the messages programs spew at you
[08:31] <Treenaks> will: quite a bit :)
[08:31] <will> whats better for UBUNTU?
[08:31] <Treenaks> will: the only similarity is that they're both "interface toolkits"
[08:31] <topyli> Treenaks: grr... i've been doing it the other way for years. your way seems far better (and simpler)
[08:31] <tolle> Thanks, going to test some stuff now.
[08:31] <Treenaks> will: probably GTK2, as that's the basis for Gnome 2.8, the default Ubuntu desktop :)
[08:31] <topyli> damn you!
[08:31] <will> treenaks: THanks!
[08:31] <Treenaks> topyli: 8-)
[08:32] <topyli> Treenaks: except i'd go crazy if everything was in swedish :)
[08:33] <topyli> Treenaks: let's just say i'd be FINNISHED pretty soon
[08:34] <red_dog> so i just have some probably simple questions and wondered if you could help
[08:34] <red_dog> is this where i ask them??
[08:34] <LinuxJones> red_dog, ya
[08:35] <topyli> red_dog: don't ask to ask, just ask (somebody had to say it :)
[08:35] <red_dog> okay, I have just got my usb speedtouch modem working and it was a pain
[08:35] <maximaus>  topyli: when the waitress asks me, "finished" I always say, "no, Swedish". :D
[08:36] <topyli> swedished :)
[08:36] <enabl> can I upgrade to the release candidate or is it a fresh iso download?
[08:36] <red_dog> what is the best way to keep my usb speedtouch settings and make a complete clean install
[08:37] <spikeb> yes you can upgrade enabl
[08:37] <topyli> enabl: you can upgrade it forever, never install again
[08:37] <enabl> woohoo, k thanks
[08:38] <topyli> enabl: that means whenever a new ubuntu is there, you just update your system
[08:38] <will> where is the best place to save downloaded programs/and their directories?
[08:38] <red_dog> or rather how do get the universe package 'speedtouch' installed without access to the internet
[08:38] <Treenaks> will: the best way is to use packages
[08:38] <zaxis> hi!
[08:39] <will> treenaks: but azureus does not have one
[08:39] <zaxis> looking for unrar package, I discover the "multiverse" component... In the web (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view) there isn't information about this component
[08:39] <will> its java based
[08:39] <zaxis> what does it includes?
[08:40] <LinuxJones> zaxis, you can download the .deb from a Debian repo
[08:41] <zaxis> LinuxJones, yes, but I don't have any problem at installing the unrar.deb package... what I'm asking is what is multiverse component
[08:42] <zaxis> is it a repository like Debian non-free?
[08:42] <Kamion> hey, what happened to most of the topic?
[08:42] <spikeb> multiverse?
[08:42] <zaxis> spikeb, yes
[08:42] <spikeb> interesting
[08:42] <spikeb> i've not even heard of it
[08:42] <LinuxJones> zaxis, I have no idea
[08:42] <zaxis> spikeb, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/
[08:42] <grimborg> how can I add new input methods? i've just installed kinput2 and wnn but I still don't have the japanese input method in gnome..
[08:42] <zaxis> spikeb, I found it by looking for unrar for Ubuntu linux on google
[08:43] <topyli> zaxis: wtf? what's in multiverse exactly?
[08:43] <spikeb> hmmm
[08:43] <spikeb> zaxis, well, it's not universe, i can see that.,
[08:43] <spikeb> i have no idea.
[08:43] <zaxis> topyli, as far as I saw, it seems to be like Debian non-free repository
[08:43] <spikeb> yeah it's a repo
[08:44] <topyli> ah.
[08:44] <red_dog> hello?
[08:44] <beezly> hello? red_dog
[08:44] <topyli> thanks
[08:45] <zaxis> topyli, I suposse that because I'm seeing packages like unrar-nonfree, uae, eclipse...
[08:45] <red_dog> beezly can you help i need to be able to download 'speedtouch' package now from universe and install it later when I have done a re-install?
[08:46] <topyli> zaxis: just what i've been grabbing from the debian repos
[08:46] <beezly> ok
[08:46] <beezly> red_dog: so you want to get the package now and install later?
[08:46] <red_dog> yes after a clean install
[08:46] <beezly> ok
[08:46] <beezly> 1 sec
[08:47] <topyli> zaxis: yes! stuff like angband, album and such come up right in the beginning of the list
[08:47] <beezly> red_dog: have you downloaded the file you need?
[08:47] <zaxis> topyli, :)
[08:47] <beezly> speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_i386.deb
[08:47] <Nonphasis> anyone know how to enable DMA on SATA drive?
[08:47] <red_dog> i installed it using synaptic - don't know whether the package was installed
[08:47] <Nonphasis> /dev/sda
[08:47] <topyli> zaxis: i owe an ascii pint to you!
[08:47] <zaxis> why is the multiverse component obscured? well, I can suposse the philosophicals questions ;)
[08:48] <Tzalidar> (from http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats): "DivX / XviD, other MPEG-4 variants, and miscellaneous proprietary video formats", since when did xvid become a proprietary format?
[08:48] <Nonphasis> hdparm -d1 only works for IDE, thinks SATA is SCSI
[08:48] <Se7h> man, my rythmbox is nuts
[08:48] <beezly> download the file.. you can get it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/speedtouch/speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_i386.deb
[08:48] <Tzalidar> ah now i see, "and misc proprietary video formats, thus xvid is not proprietary
[08:49] <red_dog> how do i install later ... locally
[08:49] <beezly> sudo dpkg -i speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_i386.deb
[08:49] <tola> what's the "monthly calendar" wallpaper all about? Where do the images come from?
[08:49] <red_dog> do i need to check dependencies and download them as well
[08:50] <topyli> hmmmm... sun java packages i see in multiverse
[08:50] <beezly> red_dog: you'll need to make sure you have ppp and libatm1 installed, but I *believe* they're in main, and therefore they should be in the install? can anyone confirm that?
[08:50] <zaxis> topyli, but they are for construct the debian packages
[08:50] <topyli> tola: i don't know but this month it looks like a calvin klein advertisement
[08:50] <Nonphasis> speaking about calendar... how about that new theme ;-)
[08:50] <zaxis> topyli, I'm looking for the same ;)
[08:50] <enabl> is it just dist-upgrade to get upgrade to release candidate
[08:51] <red_dog> thanks beezly you have been very helpful
[08:51] <zaxis> topyli, I mean, you must download j2re or j2sdk package, and with java-package (make-jpkg command), you must create the debian package
[08:51] <topyli> zaxis: oh, so i need to get the sun package and this just an installer?
[08:51] <tola> topyli: I want to know who those people are, I bet they're not ubuntu developers...
[08:51] <beezly> red_dog: no problem :)
[08:51] <zaxis> topyli, then, you could install that
[08:51] <topyli> ok, i can live with that
[08:52] <zaxis> topyli, it's more than an installer... it is the necessary files to integrate j2re/j2sdk into your debian system
[08:52] <Nonphasis> ubuntu should have put Ron Jeremy in the wallpaper
[08:52] <topyli> zaxis: of course, i expect it to work without administration :)
[08:53] <topyli> like the blackdown packages i've used
[08:54] <LinuxJones> enabl, you only have to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[08:54] <enabl> thanks LinuxJones
[08:54] <LinuxJones> sure ;)
[08:55] <pantz> LinuxJones: will upgrading like that give you the new theme and all?
[08:56] <pantz> coz it sounds like there is some nice new eye candy in the RC
[08:56] <topyli> but the calendar background is a very serious problem. it's does not connect people with nature or each other. it just shows Dominant White Male.
[08:56] <hypn0> :-D
[08:56] <stone_> I think "nice" is subjective
[08:57] <LinuxJones> pantz, what new theme ?
[08:57] <pantz> LinuxJones: ok i was just guessing there - but people are talking about new backgrounds and stuff
[08:57] <mdz_> pantz: yes
[08:57] <pantz> I just wanted to see what they were excited about
[08:57] <tola> does anyone know where archive.ubuntu.com is hosted? is it UK or US? I just want to know if I should switch to a UK mirror
[08:58] <LinuxJones> pantz, I am sure the package will be available for download.....are there any screenshots of the new theme ?
[08:58] <topyli> the color theme is starting to be there.
[08:58] <theantix> pantz: just upgrade and you'll see it too
[08:58] <Kamion> tola: archive.ubuntu.com's in London
[08:58] <tola> Kamion: thanks :)
[08:58] <pantz> theantix: sweeeeet
[08:58] <pantz> thanks all
[09:00] <darkling> Anyone having problems with NFS serving?
[09:00] <darkling> Bugger. Phone
[09:01] <sbishop> anyone had any problems with a radeon 8500LE ?
[09:01] <sbishop> the install goes fine, but when it finally tries to load X, it just goes blank
[09:01] <sbishop> i popped a radeon 7000 in and everything works
[09:01] <sbishop> i'd really like to have my 8500 back in here
[09:04] <Nonphasis> aaarghh
[09:04] <Nonphasis> how can I tell ubuntu not use SCSI emulation for SATA?
[09:05] <aitrus> is there a way to install from source so that the package is registered in the apt database?
[09:05] <Nonphasis> can't enable DMA with the emulation....
[09:05] <topyli> aitrus: install checkinstall and use that instead of "make install"
[09:05] <theantix> stupid newsforge, reviews an early Ubuntu preview release and claims they are reviewing the Warty Warthog release
[09:06] <aitrus> Nonphasis: are you sure that it's using emulation?  SATA devices show up as /dev/sd*
[09:06] <aitrus> topyli: is that the "correct" way?  =)
[09:06] <LinuxJones> theantix, that review sucks she has several facts wrong !!
[09:06] <topyli> aitrus: well, it builds a deb package and apt knows about that. and it's the easy way :)
[09:06] <Tzalidar> does ubuntu have a firewall on by default which is blocking all ports? Because bittorrent is going really slow here
[09:07] <aitrus> topyli: hehe... okay, thanks.
[09:07] <aitrus> Tzalidar: no firefall
[09:07] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:07] <aitrus> Tzalidar: there are no open ports by default
[09:07] <Tzalidar> strange :/
[09:07] <aitrus> Tzalidar: so no need for a firewall
[09:07] <Tzalidar> okay thats why
[09:07] <aitrus> Tzalidar: i doubt it
[09:07] <Tzalidar> but i want to open ports for e.g bittorrent to get decent speed
[09:07] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ glxgears
[09:07] <Se7h> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:07] <Se7h> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:07] <Se7h> o.0
[09:08] <aitrus> when i say "no open by default" that means that there aren't any services running in a default install with ports open, not that you can't just open one up by running an application
[09:08] <Se7h> need help with this
[09:09] <aitrus> Se7h: do you have glx loading in your xf86 config?  =)
[09:09] <Se7h> if not
[09:09] <Se7h> it should
[09:09] <w_hat> oh jesus, I just upgrade and I have to say, i'd be embarassed to have to log in infront of anybody
[09:10] <Tzalidar> i mean, does ubuntu have a iptables that by default blocks all ports?
[09:10] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:10] <Se7h> Warning: your XFree86 configuration has been succesfully changed.
[09:10] <Se7h> In order to take full advantages of the changes XFree86 needs to
[09:10] <Se7h> be restarted.
[09:10] <aitrus> Tzalidar: no, like i said earlier.  no firewall by default.
[09:10] <LinuxJones> Se7h, you have xserver-common installed ?
[09:10] <Se7h> brb
[09:10] <hypn0> w_hat: do u have a screenshot, whats everyone on abt
[09:10] <Tzalidar> aitrus, which means that all ports are open :)
[09:10] <Se7h> Linux y
[09:10] <aitrus> Tzalidar: no, it means that none are filtered
[09:10] <Se7h> brb
[09:11] <aitrus> Tzalidar: an open port has a service listening on it
[09:11] <Tzalidar> aitrus, ah yes
[09:11] <Tzalidar> now i get it :)
[09:11] <littlepaul> ;-)
[09:12] <Se7h> lolol
[09:13] <Se7h> 47 frames in 5.0 seconds =  9.400 FPS
[09:13] <Se7h> wtf?
[09:13] <Se7h> i just enabled nvidia drivers
[09:13] <Tzalidar> maybe the module is not loaded?
[09:14] <Tzalidar> hmm disregard what i said :)
[09:14] <bluefoxicy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[09:14] <aitrus> Se7h: did you put "nvidia" in your /etc/modules, load up nvidia, and restart your X server?
[09:14] <bluefoxicy> What is the protocol for placing an item at the above wiki?
[09:14] <Se7h> aitrus sure
[09:15] <aitrus> Se7h: and the log confirms it is using the nvidia driver and not nv?
[09:15] <Se7h> i've just saw the nvidia splash screen 
[09:15] <Cube-ness> man.. i like the human theme stuff.. color scheme etc.. but i dont want a picture of people in my login and splash screens.. hehe
[09:15] <Se7h> on login
[09:15] <bluefoxicy> I'm paging through documents and noticing things such as "you can propose an item for discussion at a Council meeting by placing ot on the Community Council Agenda page on the Ubuntu Wiki;" but nothing speaks of appropriateness of altering this entry.
[09:15] <aitrus> Se7h: well, that's a confirmation... =)
[09:15] <bluefoxicy> also, it currently talks about the next meeting being held. . . yesterday?
[09:15] <Se7h> i dont get it
[09:15] <Tzalidar> Cube-ness, yeah, i think that the default theme should be very generic
[09:16] <topyli> hrmpf. i was judging an unfinished work. upgraded again, logged out, and now saw the new gdm theme, the splash and a new version of the "monthly calendar" do give a nice "Human" feeling
[09:16] <Tzalidar> and leave the choise to the user
[09:16] <Se7h> aitrus ay ideias?
[09:16] <Cube-ness> i like the earth tones.. but the people part, i dont like
[09:16] <Se7h> *any
[09:16] <Tzalidar> yeah, i think they should have the logo instead
[09:16] <aitrus> Se7h: i could send you my config if you wanted
[09:17] <Se7h> btw
[09:17] <topyli> Tzalidar: there's a small logo around somewhere all the time :)
[09:17] <Se7h> where's the xf86config file ?
[09:17] <aitrus> ???
[09:17] <aitrus> =)
[09:17] <bluefoxicy> the "Community" is also not defined; must I be an Ubuntu user, or can I contribute from the outside?
[09:17] <aitrus> /etc/X11/XF86Config
[09:17] <topyli> Tzalidar: at least they're not blue!
[09:18] <defendguin> ok why on earth do i have nude guy on my new splash screen?
[09:18] <bluefoxicy> XD
[09:18] <bluefoxicy> defendguin:  is he hot?L
[09:18] <defendguin> i wouldnt know
[09:18] <defendguin> he looks like a tard to me
[09:18] <topyli> bluefoxicy: open source communities are a matter of scientific study, hundreds of people are working on it :)
[09:18] <Se7h> 	Load	"glx"
[09:18] <Se7h> yeah
[09:18] <Se7h> its there
[09:18] <Se7h> :|
[09:19] <Cube-ness> what i want to do is make a custom livecd based on ubuntu for my students.. for use with the educational software i am developing.. is this something that is doable?
[09:19] <compoundctc> first time I have used IRC and I am a linux newbie who just installed Ubuntu on 3 dell Optiplex machines - however , sound will not work on any of the 3 machines - is this the appropriate forum to ask for help on this problem?
[09:19] <Se7h> i even get more fps without the driver
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  I'm a gentoo user, but I've been trying to get Debian to take up security enhancements.  I would like Ubuntu to aim for such things too, and would also like them to work with Debian if it would be possible.
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  but I know nothing about Ubuntu except what I've read in the last 7 minutes :)
[09:19] <topyli> ubuntu and debian are very close
[09:20] <bluefoxicy> does "debian based" imply that you use the same methods for building packages, and thus that work on alterations to make packages build differently could be shared between the two?
[09:21] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  close implementation wise only, or do you share work?
[09:21] <topyli> bluefoxicy: no. lindows is debian based but don't give back to debian. so do others
[09:21] <defendguin> im serious why did ubuntu change their nice simple splash screen to that?
[09:21] <bluefoxicy> defendguin:  a wizard did it *Points at hermione*  :)
[09:21] <theantix> defendguin: you're not the only one asking, I don't know if there is a good answer yet
[09:21] <defendguin> bluefoxicy, sorry i dont buy that
[09:21] <defendguin> its madness
[09:22] <topyli> bluefoxicy: see the philosophy section on the ubuntu website. there's also a section lableled something like "ubuntu and debian"
[09:22] <defendguin> if it was just a could naked women that would be ok
[09:22] <defendguin> but they had to throw the guy in there
[09:22] <Cube-ness> hehe
[09:23] <topyli> defendguin: naked people, that's the theme. i only wish they were uglier ;-)
[09:23] <bluefoxicy> topyli: "and the more raw unreleased versions of Debian do not provide security fixes"  <-- I'm attempting to decrease the impact of this :)
[09:24] <Se7h> grrr
[09:24] <topyli> bluefoxicy: you're getting the Ubuntu Clue :)
[09:24] <Se7h> 42 frames in 5.0 seconds =  8.400 FPS
[09:24] <Se7h> im stuck :|
[09:24] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  Are you familiar with PaX and Stack smash protection?
[09:24] <littlepaul> bluefoxicy: http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/ubuntu_and_debian.html
[09:24] <topyli> bluefoxicy: i have no idea what you are talking about :)
[09:25] <bluefoxicy> :)
[09:25] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  and that's 99% of the problem :)
[09:25] <topyli> not much then :)
[09:25] <theantix> I wonder what my mother (an ubuntu user) will think of the new theme...
[09:25] <Se7h> can someone help me with this?
[09:26] <topyli> theantix: "me and her will have just one man toghether? that's what open source is about?"
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  In using Gentoo, I stumbled accross their hardened project, which lead me to study and understand (to a degree) some of the systems that Hardened Gentoo and Adamantix use.
[09:26] <sabdfl> compoundctc: what does alsamixer say on the machines?
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  SOme of these systems do not have a visible impact; they do not cause extraneous administrative tasks to be imposed, or cause users' experience to be altered in any way in normal situations.
[09:27] <defendguin> someone needs to be kicked in the head for this
[09:27] <LinuxJones> what is the package name for this theme that everybody is talking about ?
[09:27] <topyli> bluefoxicy: i like systems that don't have a visible impact. i want stuff to work!
[09:27] <mdz_> LinuxJones: follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes and you should get everything
[09:27] <defendguin> ubuntu-artwork?
[09:28] <beezly> LinuxJones: ubuntu-artwork
[09:28] <LinuxJones> mdz_, thanks :G
[09:28] <compoundctc> sabdfl - where would i find the alsamixer?
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  PaX and SSP are two such systems which I and several others are after getting implemented in Debian mainline.  My goal is to have these systems (and anything else like them) *everywhere*, so that many if not most security issues will be mitigated before they even exist.
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  That's the plan.
[09:28] <defendguin> whats bad is that ubuntu doesnt have a gui tool to change the splash screen
[09:28] <compoundctc> sabdfl - they are 3 different models of Dell machines also
[09:28] <topyli> bluefoxicy: you see, i'm a user. i USE computers :)
[09:29] <sabdfl> compoundctc: i'm trying to think of the simplest way to debug this
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  The idea is that certain exploits become crashes/DoS instead of intrusion.  For example, the recent libpng exploits were based on buffer overflows.  at least one of these, as CERT said, would be useful in injecting code directly into a machine.
[09:29] <sabdfl> try opening a shell
[09:29] <compoundctc> ok
[09:29] <sabdfl> type alsamixer
[09:29] <compoundctc> shell open
[09:29] <topyli> bluefoxicy: sounds pretty secure to me
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  This would allow a malicious website to embed worms into image files.  User loads image in firefox, user is running a piece of malicious code.
[09:29] <compoundctc> ok brought up a graphic showing sound levels
[09:30] <sabdfl> does it list the sound card correctly?
[09:30] <topyli> bluefoxicy: i mean your systems sound secure. all the other stuff doesn't :)
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> Normally this is done by injecting code and overwriting the return value on the stack, causing the function which owns the vulnerable buffer to return to that code at its end.
[09:30] <beezly> SSP still breaks a lot of stuff
[09:30] <compoundctc> yes correct sound card listed
[09:30] <topyli> topyli: make it work, give it to me!
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> beezly:  SSP can be disabled for what it breaks.  :)
[09:30] <topyli> s/topyli/bluefoxicy
[09:30] <sabdfl> use the arrow keys to set levels - are they currently set at around 70%?
[09:31] <compoundctc> these sliders are down - yet the main voloume slider on the top right of desktop is up?
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> SSP will check a value between the buffer and the return value and abort if tihs value is wrong.
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> PaX, on the other hand, will simply not allow a situation where memory protections can be manipulated in any way as to allow a piece of code to be written, then executed.
[09:32] <ryang> anyone here try to migrate from debian testing to ubuntu?
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> In either case, the program is terminated just before the exploit begins, i.e. the exploit never happens. ;)
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> oh geeze can I ever stop talking *drones on and on*
[09:32] <topyli> good. but dude, you're lecturing :)
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> yes, yes i am, I do that too much.
[09:32] <beezly> i understand both technologies
[09:32] <sabdfl> compoundctc: you need the master and pcm ones up usually
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> I should be writing on the wiki or something :)
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> beezly:  :)
[09:32] <beezly> NX implements PAX on amd64
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> beezly:  nope.
[09:33] <beezly> or rather, it's a good way to implement PAX
[09:33] <topyli> bluefoxicy: write a paper, your talk on irc just goes to the wastebin :)
[09:33] <aitrus> please keep on topic.
[09:33] <sabdfl> compoundctc: another way is to right click on the volume control on the top right of the desktop panel
[09:33] <sabdfl> and say "open volume control"
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> PaX implements an emulated NX bit on x86.  On amd64, it uses the hardware NX bit.  On either, it controls memory protections differently than vanilla linux.
[09:33] <compoundctc> sabdfl - ok - makes sense but why were therse down when I had the desktop sound slider in the upper right all the way up?
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> topyli:  I wrote an article that should be run on LWN this week.  I'll write up on the wiki community council page about these things and give some links around
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> it's better than droning on here :)
[09:35] <sabdfl> compoundctc: sound cards are voodoo
[09:35] <sabdfl> which install cd did you use?
[09:35] <compoundctc> sabdfl - thanks I have sound and learned about the alsamixer - you help is greatly appreciated
[09:35] <topyli> bluefoxicy: that's very cool
[09:35] <sabdfl> you're welcome
[09:35] <compoundctc> sabdfl  - downloaded iso - 2 days ago
[09:36] <sabdfl> compoundctc: if you could send an email to ubuntu-devel with the details of the sound cards that were not correctly setup that would be very useful
[09:36] <compoundctc> sabdfl - is this an appropriate place to ask questions such as I did or is it for advanced users?
[09:36] <sabdfl> or file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com with the details
[09:36] <sabdfl> compoundctc: this is the right place to start
[09:36] <compoundctc> sabdfl - I can do that 
[09:36] <compoundctc> sabdfl-well thanks again
[09:36] <topyli> ooh! i've got an ubuntu rc announcement in my mailbox!
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> beezly:  i don't mean to sound like I'm blowing you off or anything; it's nice to see someone whose up on such things.  :)  anyway *gets tow ork*
[09:37] <beezly> bluefoxicy: you involved in debian: sbd?
[09:37] <dieman> im not sure im sold on the new gdm screen
[09:37] <beezly> dieman: me either :)
[09:37] <mteira> Hi.
[09:37] <dieman> the old one i didn't know if i would replace
[09:37] <dieman> this new one i'm pretty sure i would replace
[09:37] <beezly> dieman: but thankfully my background normally has windows on top of it :)
[09:38] <mteira> Why firefox has been downgraded?
[09:38] <theantix> mteira: it was buggy, crashed on javascript popups amongst others
[09:38] <aitrus> mteira: that is a temporary downgrade.  there were lots of issues with 1.0PR that couldn't be cleared up before release time
[09:38] <mteira> Oh.
[09:38] <mteira> OK.
[09:39] <mteira> I'm still having a lot of problems with my amd box.
[09:39] <mteira> It don't pass the boot sequence with an usb scanner plugged in.
[09:41] <notacomputer> im having a problem adding a new user   the issue lyes in that i need to set it up on a vfat partition
[09:41] <Se7h> aitrus it was SETI sucking out my CPU
[09:41] <Se7h> erm
[09:42] <aitrus> oh brother
[09:43] <defendguin> hey if i add a bookmark to the gtk file chooser will it appear in the computer section of the gnome menu bar? if it doesnt it SHOULD
[09:45] <bluefoxicy> beezly:  I created D:SbD
[09:45] <beezly> i guessed :)
[09:45] <beezly> or thought you might have something to do with it at least :)
[09:45] <bluefoxicy> heh, Lorenzo (Hardened Debian) is doing real work though :)
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> I'm playing with a livecd using the Hardened Gentoo enhancements that I'm trying to force to boot
[09:46] <socomm> Hello, are there any ummm ... like Ubuntu buttons that I can place on my homepage?
[09:46] <socomm> What they call it, branding or something.
[09:47] <tolle> he, it has been quite a while since i used KDE, but do all of the apps there have as ugly icons as the ones in dcgui-qt ?
[09:48] <Pizbit> You can change the icon set.
[09:48] <Pizbit> dcgui-qt is an ugly pos anyway
[09:48] <WimVriend> Hello Folks
[09:48] <Pizbit> Even for a kde app it's lousy.
[09:48] <socomm> tolle, http://www.kdelook.org
[09:48] <LinuxJones> socomm, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork
[09:48] <socomm> LinuxJones, thanks.
[09:51] <Tzalidar> gah! i get no sound in xine
[09:55] <theantix> you know, some official ought to write a faq entry on that (hint, hint)
[09:55] <burner> awwww... there's naked people all over my ubuntu!!!
[09:58] <defendguin> burner, lol
[09:58] <theantix> naked people gdm/splash/wallpaper seems to be a FAQ today, it would be nice if there was an official statement on it
[09:58] <defendguin> ubuntu-artwork needs to be rolled back
[09:58] <sepheebear> hey what's the deal with the half naked white guy and the bald black chick  in her bra logging me in all of a sudden?
[09:58] <burner> it's fun
[09:59] <socomm> burner, you got a link to that background?
[09:59] <burner> socomm, nope... it just came when i dist-upgraded :)
[09:59] <theantix> burner: nope, not an official one
[10:00] <theantix> burner: I'll probably make one once the artwork is finalized
[10:00] <burner> aww theantix, you ruined it for me ;)  now i don't have to check.  oh well... if i was an artist I'd attempt, but all the gdm themes are awesome... hate to taint it with my stuff
[10:00] <socomm> burner, thanks.
[10:00] <sepheebear> looks more like somebody walked in on the beginning of a 3some with camera ready
[10:01] <burner> oh, the half naked folks are artistic and fun
[10:01] <sepheebear> they are having fun but i dunno know if they're exactly thinking art
[10:01] <defendguin> i just find it kind of odd to have those gdm/splash/wallpaper forced on me
[10:01] <StoneTable> They don't work very well in a work environment
[10:02] <whiprush> indeed.
[10:02] <MikeJS> agreed
[10:02] <socomm> Works, what's that?
[10:02] <socomm> s/works/work
[10:02] <defendguin> do what know who is reposible?
[10:02] <burner> agreeed with StoneTable
[10:02] <burner> but some work environments need to lighten up :)
[10:03] <clee> mako: awww
[10:03] <clee> mako: You did the wrong its/it's
[10:03] <clee> "Ubuntu is a great way to try out Gnome 2.8 if you have
[10:03] <clee>   not already tasted it's speed and simplicity!"
[10:03] <sepheebear> was that the only black girl available? she's not even that hot. sorry to make such a deal out of it but it was a rude awakening after i rebooted
[10:03] <mako> clee: i fixed my its/it's i think that was mark :)
[10:04] <rapha> Hi
[10:04] <tseng> sepheebear: she's not terrible either
[10:04] <clee> mako: damn mark.
[10:04] <tseng> oh well.
[10:04] <whiprush> I'd hit that
[10:04] <sepheebear> no she's not terrible
[10:04] <mako> clee: the joy of collaboratively edited documents is that everyone gets to blame someone else
[10:04] <tseng> just 3 average models
[10:04] <clee> mako: heh.
[10:04] <clee> mako: so the real question is, where are my pressed CDs?
[10:04] <rapha> I've a little problem with Ubuntu's Network Settings tool (network-admin). If I right see, WEP keys are 26 characters (HEX) in length. But the network-admin tool only permits 24 characters to be typed in. Is this intended?
[10:05] <malte`> everybody talking about new ubuntu's artwork
[10:05] <mako> clee: we will press after release
[10:05] <malte`> :)
[10:05] <mako> clee: so next week
[10:05] <clee> mako: mmm. sweet.
[10:05] <mako> clee: i can put you on the high priority list
[10:05] <clee> mako: You rock.
[10:05] <mako> clee: otherwise, it migth take a while 
[10:06] <burner> anyone know if there's a hotkey to 'force-quit' ?
[10:07] <sepheebear> i just couldnt seriously expect to see people logging into that GDM theme. the upside down naked white dude gives me the creeps
[10:07] <burner> aww.. homophobic?
[10:07] <burner> it's ok ;)
[10:07] <malte`> i hate the splash screen
[10:07] <phlaegel> so are the cds going to have naked people on them too? :-)
[10:07] <burner> at least it feels polished
[10:08] <theantix> rapha: I can't confirm your bug
[10:08] <rapha> Yeah, sex sells :)
[10:08] <whiprush> I wonder what the guy in the splash screen is laughing at
[10:08] <whiprush> he's like all giggly.
[10:08] <sepheebear> nah weird upside down naked people generally give me the willies
[10:08] <sepheebear> no matter what their preference
[10:08] <theantix> well, like the new splash screen or not, this will make Ubuntu the topic of conversation on the net again :-)
[10:08] <phlaegel> well, sure, he's got two ladies. ;-)
[10:09] <rapha> theantix: I didn't say it was a bug. Could you just tell me if it is right that WEP keys are 26 characters in length? (This occurs on my girlfriends notebook, and she has just done a full apt-get upgrade on Sunday).
[10:09] <theantix> rapha, mine is 26 characters, yes
[10:10] <ggi> The old gdm login screen looked much better on my widescreen laptop, for what it's worth. The semi-naked people are kind of squished.
[10:10] <rapha> And where's this artwork everybody seems to be talking about?
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> alright, I've added the wiki entry.
[10:10] <sepheebear> hey there's not even a configure button in that theme
[10:10] <rapha> theantix: Okay, in that case the input definately stops for her after 24 characters. Could you tell me what version you have, and I'll inquire about hers?
[10:11] <rapha> (Will just have to go offline for that)
[10:12] <Se7h> tell me something
[10:12] <mako> clee: did you order enough cds to give out at redhat
[10:12] <theantix> rapha: gnome-system-tools 1.0.0-0ubuntu6
[10:12] <Se7h>  ln -s source target
[10:12] <mako> clee: we can send you a little display box you can set up :)
[10:13] <rapha> Okay thanks; I'll be right back.
[10:13] <Se7h> with that i can link a dir to another partition
[10:13] <Se7h> right?
[10:14] <clee> mako: :D
[10:14] <clee> mako: that would rule
[10:18] <mako> clee: alright then :)
[10:18] <mako> clee: send pix :)
[10:20] <hans_vm> 
[10:27] <MyKq3> can i c hebrew on  my Gnome menus? every time i have some use of hebrew font on my GNOME i c odd chars ( e.g. i can play a hebrew file on mp3player to c ther the hebrew name bot on the panel i c gebrish ) 
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  You continue to be everywhere, I see.
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> you should change your nick to 'ubiquitous'
[10:28] <two-face> hi
[10:29] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i own this network :)
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  can I have ircops?  :)
[10:29] <tseng> nope.
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> heh, I try.
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> tseng:   http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity  <-- looks good?
[10:29] <tseng> hmm yes
[10:30] <tseng> but there is no ssp in their gcc/glibc atm
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> right.  they'll need to work that out.
[10:30] <tseng> or pie even, I think.
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> trulex is working on that ATM IIRC
[10:30] <lml> How do I configure the firewall?
[10:30] <tseng> oh, good.
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  that's why pappy keeps yelling at him; he apparently doesn't like having SSP in glibc :)
[10:31] <tseng> ...pappy put it there inthe first place
[10:31] <two-face> how did people manage to get hired by canonical? (just curious)
[10:31] <tseng> two-face: you have to be k-rad
[10:32] <aitrus> lol
[10:32] <tseng> two-face: they mostly hired current debian devels
[10:32] <aitrus> the ones who aren't elitiest bastards
[10:33] <two-face> tseng: i know, but how have they been chosen/contacted?
[10:35] <topyli> oh my. the default theme is already raising hell. soon we'll have a system that's all blue and plastic.
[10:36] <topyli> not the system, the look :)
[10:38] <vrln> I wonder how long it takes until slashdot posts a news item called "ubuntu theme controversy"
[10:38] <ChrisW> has ubuntu been slashdotted yet?
[10:38] <Keybuk> two-face: legend has it that Mark took the debian-devel archives to antartica and read them, drawing up a short list of people he wanted
[10:39] <will> whats better people......GSTREAMER or XINE?
[10:39] <lml> I am having trouble connecting to a mysql server on my just recently installed Ubuntu system and was thinking that maybe there is a firewall running on preventing my from connecting?
[10:39] <Bohhh> another debian based distro?
[10:40] <Bohhh> how many debian-based distro exist?
[10:40] <Bohhh> apart from ubuntu
[10:40] <topyli> Bohhh: 29863487
[10:40] <Bohhh> indeed
[10:41] <clee> Bohhh: This one doesn't suck, though.
[10:41] <clee> Except for the decision to go with GNOME anyway ;)
[10:41] <Nonphasis> I think the white guy is Mark himself
[10:41] <topyli> Bohhh: this works
[10:41] <Bohhh> clee, why should i choose ubuntu?
[10:41] <Bohhh> no gnome!!
[10:41] <Bohhh> plese
[10:41] <Bohhh> please
[10:41] <Bohhh> i hate gnome
[10:41] <clee> Bohhh: well, it comes with GNOME.
[10:41] <clee> Bohhh: If you don't like it, you can install other stuff.
[10:41] <Bohhh> damn
[10:41] <topyli> Bohhh: you lose then :)
[10:41] <dieman> hell
[10:42] <Nonphasis> Bohhh, well, if you go Ubuntu, you'll need to learn to like it :)
[10:42] <dieman> i'm already retheming it here
[10:42] <dieman> to keep the users at bay
[10:42] <SmokingFire> Hi, there I have a problem with a partition that its corrupted. If you are part of the mailinglist you might have read about it.
[10:42] <Baumi> Does s.b. know how to use LIRC in ubuntu?
[10:42] <Bohhh> why gnome when kde is superior?
[10:42] <clee> And, coming from a KDE developer, I think that's a pretty bold statement
[10:42] <Bohhh> these days..
[10:42] <Baumi> @Bohhh i think its faster
[10:42] <Bohhh> that's all?
[10:42] <clee> Baumi: Well, you're wrong, but that's ok. ;)
[10:43] <Baumi> really?
[10:43] <Bohhh> i would get a faster cpu for a faster desktop instead
[10:43] <Nonphasis> clee, indeed :). Any idea when ubuntuized KDE is going to happen?
[10:43] <SmokingFire> have you seen this application? Its sexy"http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php much better the qtparted from the looks.
[10:43] <clee> Baumi: The KDE devs have been very diligent about speed issues.
[10:43] <topyli> Nonphasis: you can install kde from universe if you like.
[10:43] <clee> Baumi: If you wanted to (I've done it) you can install KDE 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 alongside eachother and compare the relative speeds of each version - it's been getting consistently faster since 3.0
[10:43] <SmokingFire> Why can't the kde people just download Suse or Knoppix?
[10:43] <Solkaris> greetings and salutations
[10:43] <Nonphasis> topyli, I tried, it looked like crap
[10:44] <clee> Baumi: And we fit better in lowmem situations (where "lowmem" is < 256M of RAM)
[10:44] <topyli> Nonphasis: i guess it looks like vanilla kde, like in debian
[10:44] <clee> however, I have to admit that I really dig nautilus
[10:44] <Bohhh> SmokingFire, it happens that suse is not always free
[10:44] <Solkaris> SmokingFire because that would mean there was a non KDE distro out there somewhere *gasp* horrors
[10:44] <Nonphasis> topyli, Debian KDE looked much better I think - though the memory might just be merciful 
[10:45] <Bohhh> knoppix is good , but its nature is a live distro
[10:45] <Bohhh> even if installed
[10:45] <Solkaris> Bohhh there are tons of KDE based distro's .. more than Gnome based by far
[10:45] <topyli> Nonphasis: if kde looks like crap, i can't help it. i don't care too much really :)
[10:45] <Baumi> try Kanotix
[10:45] <Nonphasis> topyli, fair enough
[10:46] <SmokingFire> Yes but the unix motto is do one thing good and only that.
[10:46] <Bohhh> Solkaris, i would like too see a solid debian-based distro + kde with updatings every 3-4 months
[10:46] <topyli> get a kde supporting distro, there are plenty
[10:46] <Solkaris> whole reason I jumped to Ubuntu .. Gnome based Distro with APT 
[10:46] <SmokingFire> Concentrate on gnome, people want kde then apt-get get it.
[10:47] <topyli> Solkaris: the LATEST gnome of course
[10:47] <Bohhh> ok. so the question is : what are _solid_ debian/kde-based distros?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> Lindows!!
[10:47] <topyli> rofl
[10:47] <Bohhh> is it free?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> the live cd is
[10:47] <Solkaris> topyli LOL ok yes the newest gnome ... reality is if they had said 2.6 I would still have used it
[10:47] <Bohhh> they don't exist
[10:47] <Bohhh> that's all
[10:47] <tola> Solkaris: agreed, Gnome and Apt.
[10:47] <Bohhh> damn
[10:47] <SmokingFire> xandros?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> but also non free
[10:48] <Bohhh> yea, there no much choice
[10:48] <clee> Mepis.
[10:48] <clee> (which I haven't tried.)
[10:48] <topyli> Solkaris: yes. the truth is, i use gnome. i don't care what's under it as long as it's debian :)
[10:48] <Bohhh> clee, who ever heard of it? :)
[10:48] <punkass_> Mepis is pretty nice
[10:48] <clee> from what I hear, Mepis is a damned good KDE distro
[10:48] <punkass_> pretty easy install from liveCD to HD
[10:49] <clee> and they're also debian-based
[10:49] <defendguin> punkass_, i found a problem with your pyfi app
[10:49] <tolle> I'm testing Ubuntu right now for fun, Nift default GNOME settings and a good package management system
[10:49] <topyli> is libranet still alive? they're a kde-debian
[10:49] <punkass_> oh yeah?
[10:49] <Telep> Anyone installed NVU on Ubuntu?
[10:49] <clee> And there's also Lycoris.
[10:50] <tolle> Ran Gentoo before, Debian before that (and at the same time to).
[10:50] <clee> but they kinda suck, last I checked.
[10:50] <Solkaris> topyli yep yep .. this distro is like someone reached in my head an made the dreams real .. ahhh
[10:50] <topyli> Telep: yes, it works fine
[10:50] <punkass_> i am just looking into creating a python wrapper for iwlib
[10:50] <sepheebear> hey, i've got a new homepage! Ubuntu's pretty willy nilly about changing settings on ya
[10:50] <punkass_> defendguin: what is it?
[10:50] <Telep> topyli: where can I find a .deb-package for that? I couldn't see it in universe
[10:50] <defendguin> yeah you need to haev some way of telling the user is he is unable to connect
[10:51] <defendguin> have*
[10:51] <defendguin> if he is
[10:51] <topyli> Telep: no, i just extracted the package in /opt and it's good to go
[10:51] <Telep> right
[10:51] <Nonphasis> Rumor has it that Hoary Hedgehog will feature mr. Goatse in the theme
[10:51] <defendguin> the gui just stopped responding when i tried to use it to access my schools network
[10:51] <tolle> The best part of apt on debian based distros (havnt realy used the rpm based ones for to long, so dunno if apt works the same on those) is the removal of packages.
[10:51] <punkass_> ah yes...i had left out a bunch of notification stuff...well not left out...just didnt get to it yet
[10:51] <Nonphasis> I suspect that it wasn't true, though
[10:52] <tolle> removing redundant stuff that depended on the package you remove.
[10:52] <defendguin> which is probably using some mac address identification to exclude my computer
[10:52] <punkass_> defendguin: yes i also i have to learn how to seperate the I/O from the GUI
[10:52] <two-face> Keybuk: how many are you in?
[10:52] <tolle> the lack of that was the absolutly largest downside of portage
[10:52] <RUNE> hi
[10:52] <Solkaris> howdy RUNE
[10:52] <defendguin> ill have to figure out how to spoof the mac addy of one of their boxes
[10:53] <punkass_> defendguin: but if i can get this wrapper working...should make the app work a little nicer too..without relying on the stdout and stderr
[10:54] <punkass_> defendguin: why do they lock you out at school? isnt that why they have a wifi network?
[10:54] <Solkaris> newsforge has posted a review
[10:54] <topyli> link! link!
[10:55] <Keybuk> two-face: how many?  huh?  -ECONTEXT :p
[10:56] <Solkaris> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1421241&tid=2
[10:56] <topyli> Solkaris: i'm already there :)
[10:56] <defendguin> punkass_, yeah but they locked out students for right now only faculty and staff
[10:56] <defendguin> i dont like this rule at all
[10:56] <two-face> Keybuk: bah, nevermind
[10:57] <defendguin> according to everything i can see they dont have a WEP key
[10:57] <Solkaris> topyli sorry took so long was reading the review
[10:57] <topyli> Solkaris: don't bother me! i'm reading the review! ;-)
[10:57] <Solkaris> lol
[11:00] <punkass_> well a  iwlist blah scan  should tell ya
[11:00] <sn0wman> hmm
[11:01] <sn0wman> It looks kind of strange to have 3 naked people on my desktop.
[11:02] <LinuxJones> sn0wman, everybody seems to have the same impression of the new artwork :D
[11:02] <willert> Hi all, I just installed Ubuntu Linux and I am totally sold on it. Just one thing nags me: my all time favourite broser (Galeon) is not available through the universe and trying to get it from debian breaks tons of gnome packages. Any idea how I can install it without the hassle to compile from source (or convince the ubunto people to include it)?
[11:03] <azeem> willert: if it's not included yet, it's too late for the 4.10 release. But I guess it will make it into 5.03's universe archive
[11:04] <sn0wman> It looks kind of strange to have 3 naked people on my desktop.
[11:04] <sn0wman> willert: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/galeon
[11:04] <sn0wman> oops
[11:04] <georgia> sn0wman: how many naked people do you normally have on your desktop?
[11:04] <willert> azeem: that meens, I'd have to wait ~ 6 months 'til I can install it through the ubuntu channels?
[11:04] <sn0wman> only 2
[11:04] <georgia> :)
[11:04] <azeem> willert: well, the development will continue
[11:04] <georgia> at least all three are kinda cute though
[11:05] <azeem> willert: but using the development branch just for galeon right away might be no good advice
[11:05] <sn0wman> ... except for the dude of course...
[11:05] <azeem> better wait till it stabilizes, or perhaps somebody supports galeon 3rd party like
[11:05] <azeem> (you?)
[11:06] <willert> I don't mean to criticize, ubunto is an terrific piece of work... I just wanted to evaluate if I switch now or in a few months *g*
[11:06] <georgia> sn0wman: i dunno he's kinda nice, i wouldnt kick him outta bed for eating biscuits
[11:06] <azeem> it's for you to decide whether galeon is a show-stopper for you or not =)
[11:07] <willert> azeem: I will make my switch from debian/experimental, so I am quite used to broken stuff :)
[11:09] <pv> compiling galeon from source may solve lib dependency problems
[11:10] <swim> I have a .deb package how can I install it?
[11:10] <Zero-G> dpkg -i *.deb
[11:10] <swim> thnk you
[11:11] <topyli> i agree with the review on one thing: after the colorful approach of others, ubuntu default is "peaceful" like the reviewer says :)
[11:11] <sikkh> Zero-G would have 'side effects' if there was more .debs in that dir ;)
[11:11] <Merlin_> can someone help me with a very simple question
[11:11] <Merlin_> I just installed ubuntu as my first linux venture ever
[11:12] <topyli> also i like when the reviewer, a long time kde user, agrees that gnome is "a pleasure" :)
[11:12] <Merlin_> I'm trying to figure out how I install my graphics card drivers
[11:12] <chz> if anybody wants to know if kde works..i got it workin through synaptic update...works great!!
[11:12] <vrln> Merlin_: nvidia or ati?
[11:12] <Merlin_> I need to dump my X server
[11:12] <Merlin_> running nvidia
[11:12] <azeem> Merlin_: if you have successfully installed Ubuntu, the graphics cards drivers are already setup
[11:12] <sikkh> topyli I'm a long time gnome user that switched to kde and doesnn't plan to go back ;P
[11:12] <topyli> chz: why wouldn't it? it's the kde from debian
[11:13] <Solkaris> Merlin_ is X running at all?
[11:13] <topyli> sikkh: oh yeas there are people like you as well. beautiful isn't it? :)
[11:13] <Merlin_> I'm told it is, but I don't even know what X is...
[11:13] <willert> azeem: Do you have any pointers what is needed to get an package into the universe? I'd really like to help out with galeon but I can't find anything like the DD Guide or Policy documents concerning Universe packages
[11:13] <azeem> hey vorlon
[11:13] <SmokingFire> I try to compile gparted but it gives me the error can't find install.sh or install-sh. But its right there in the same dir!
[11:14] <azeem> willert: sorry, I'm no Ubuntu Maintainer myself. Best to wait after the release and then ask the Ubuntu guys about galeon
[11:14] <vorlon> hey, I'm trying to do my first ubuntu install using a warty image downloaded from ubuntulinux.com, and it's complaining about missing packages -- first bsdutils, now ifrename.  Anyone know what the story is?
[11:14] <chz> well...i used to use xandros b4 i found out about ubuntu...i liked xandros alot...but i had a hard time upgrading the kde from 3.1 to 3.2....but this just does everything so much better...
[11:14] <SmokingFire> daily build vorlon?
[11:14] <chz> im stickin with ubuntu for awhile...
[11:15] <vorlon> SmokingFire: heck if I know. ;)  Hang on.
[11:15] <willert> azeem: OK... I'll do that. Thanks
[11:15] <chz> SmokingFire: thanks for showin me the synaptic update..=)
[11:15] <vorlon> SmokingFire: .disk/info calls it Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915).
[11:15] <azeem> vorlon: the RC just went out today :)
[11:16] <SmokingFire> vorlon: just asking because the normal build didn't give such errors. So I'm guess that the daily build is broken or went you burned/downloaded the cd something went wrong.
[11:16] <dieman> hah
[11:16] <SmokingFire> chz: My pleasure
[11:16] <dieman> the office is in arms about the 'naked people
[11:16] <dieman> ''
[11:16] <dieman> and the smiles
[11:16] <dieman> etc.
[11:16] <Kosai> Can someone remind me what the method for burning a disk.img to CD is, when the image is meant to be written to a floppy instead?
[11:16] <dieman> and 'the porn distro'
[11:17] <vorlon> azeem: well, this seems like the sort of bug I should be able to find a fix for without having to download another ISO. :)
[11:17] <SmokingFire> vorlon: What if you do a full smart upgrade in synaptic and also fix the broken packages?
[11:17] <Kosai> (I'd normally `dd if=disk.img of=/dev/fd0`, but the floppy drive's broken.)
[11:17] <georgia> not as if you get to see any real nudity
[11:17] <vorlon> SmokingFire: um, synaptic isn't available from the installer..? :)
[11:17] <azeem> vorlon: this is during 1st stage?
[11:17] <vorlon> azeem: yeah.  I mean, sure, I can hack the debootstrap script, but that seems wrong somehow. ;)
[11:17] <SmokingFire> I think your copy is then perhaps bad
[11:18] <LinuxJones> Kosai, you can rename the .img to .iso and burn it to cdrom. 
[11:18] <sikkh> Kosai mkisofs -b?
[11:18] <SmokingFire> k3b does an automatic md5um when it finds it in the root of the iso
[11:18] <azeem> vorlon: which arch? I don't remember issues as bad as these for the preview
[11:18] <georgia> Kosai: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/floppy_image_on_cd.htm should be helpful
[11:18] <vorlon> azeem: i386.
[11:18] <azeem> hmm
[11:18] <SmokingFire> vorlon: do you still have the original iso on your hd?
[11:19] <azeem> vorlon: a bad daily iso then, perhaps
[11:19] <vorlon> azeem: and they labelled it "20040915"?
[11:19] <guptan> is there any relation with Gnoppix Live CD & Ubuntu Linux?
[11:19] <staticactivity> any chance of getting firefox 1.0RC soon?
[11:19] <SmokingFire> Do an md5sum on the iso, I don't know if its possible todo md5ums on cd's
[11:19] <azeem> guptan: gnoppix used the ubuntu GNOME packages
[11:19] <vorlon> SmokingFire: yes, checking the md5sum now.
[11:19] <azeem> vorlon: not sure, this rather looks like a daily ISO to me
[11:20] <SmokingFire> azeem: to me too.
[11:20] <guptan> azeem: what about ubuntu live cd? is it same gnoppix or the other way?
[11:20] <azeem> vorlon: anyway, you could rsync the RC from the .iso probably
[11:20] <vorlon> SmokingFire: of course, the link I downloaded it from isn't there anymore. :)
[11:20] <azeem> guptan: they are not the same
[11:20] <vorlon> azeem: rsync url?
[11:20] <azeem> vorlon: sorry, I'm just lurking in here :)
[11:20] <SmokingFire> damn yeah, daily build 
[11:21] <guptan> azeem: so I better not ask questions about gnoppix here rt?
[11:22] <WX> is there a problem with the ubuntu release candidate? i get an error about bsdutils
[11:22] <azeem> guptan: amu is the main gnoppix guy, so you sure can ask questions :)
[11:22] <SmokingFire> vorlon: look here
[11:22] <azeem> guptan: but so far, gnoppix and ubuntu don't use the same LiveCD-technology, they just share some packages
[11:23] <guptan> oh I just saw amu here, thanks for reminding that azeem
[11:24] <SmokingFire> ooh sorry
[11:24] <azeem> vorlon: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/preview/MD5SUMS
[11:24] <SmokingFire> vorlon: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/
[11:25] <WX> anyone here install the release candidate?
[11:25] <azeem> vorlon: 20040915 is sooo last month :)
[11:25] <rapha> theantix: Okay, we've had another phone session. Can I talk to you about network-admin?
[11:25] <SmokingFire> yeah I don't see in there either
[11:25] <SmokingFire> only one that comes close to yours is /cdimage/daily/20041009.1
[11:25] <guptan> amu: in gnoppix I tried to start "networking"/"network-admin" but it quits without even showing up the nic. any idea whats wrong in my case?
[11:25] <azeem> that's October 9th though, probably
[11:26] <WX> im guessing that's a no
[11:26] <theantix> rapha: go ahead, I'll do my best
[11:27] <SmokingFire> azeem: looks like its only october that they have.
[11:27] <azeem> vorlon: oh, another thing I heard were problems with burning and DMA, which might result in strange errors
[11:27] <WX> bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb <-- bad on the RC iso?
[11:27] <WX> bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb <-- bad on the RC iso?
[11:27] <azeem> WX: oh?
[11:27] <rapha> theantix: Okay, first off, we found a number of usability problems (my gf is totally computer-illiterate, so she's a good test subject). Are you interested in those?
[11:27] <SmokingFire> Sorry vorlon you will need to download again
[11:27] <swim> hrmm trying to play freecol, and I get: No JVM found to run FreeCol. Please install a JVM (>= 1.4) to run FreeCol or set JAVA_HOME if it's not a JVM from a Debian Package.
[11:27] <WX> i am just checking if anyone else had same problem
[11:27] <azeem> WX: vorlon had
[11:28] <swim> what should I do?
[11:28] <SmokingFire> vorlon: do you have k3b installed?
[11:28] <WX> hmm
[11:28] <WX> what's the fix?
[11:28] <WX> i've burned 2 cds now
[11:28] <rapha> Oh and by the way, to whom it concerns: gedit shouldn't have an empty "Tools" menu by default; novice users are confused and think it is broken.
[11:28] <WX> both same problem
[11:28] <guptan> does ubuntu support bootsplash?
[11:28] <rapha> (I'd suggest enabling some sensible plugins, like document stats)
[11:28] <jdub> guptan: no
[11:28] <Mithrandir> rapha: please file bugs in bugzilla, not on IRC. :)
[11:28] <theantix> rapha, you could post usability problems to the mailing list, or perhaps file a bug report (I'm just a user)
[11:28] <jdub> guptan: we'll have a fully user-space graphical boot process in Hoary
[11:29] <guptan> jdub: do I need to do a kernel patch to splash
[11:29] <WX> azeem, do you know a fix?
[11:29] <jdub> guptan: for our new one in Hoary, no
[11:29] <swim> anybody?
[11:29] <guptan> jdub: I was trying to follow this page: http://debblue.debian.net/faq.php#faq2
[11:29] <jdub> guptan: if you wanted to *add* bootsplash to current Ubuntu, yes.
[11:29] <jdub> guptan: but it's really not worth it.
[11:30] <azeem> WX: no
[11:30] <WX> so im assuming it's a bad iso?
[11:30] <guptan> jdub: you mean that bootsplash theme or doing kernel patches?
[11:31] <rapha> theantix: Oh. I thought you were responsible for network-admin :) (You sounded like you were, earlier)
[11:31] <vorlon> WX: I happen to have just had the same problem with the preview candidate; seems to be a case of a bad burn here.
[11:31] <rapha> Sorry then
[11:31] <vorlon> WX: did you check your md5sums of the ISO image and of the CD against the website?
[11:31] <theantix> rapha: just trying to be helpful, that's all :-)
[11:32] <guptan> jdub: when is Hoary release date set for? 2005?
[11:32] <WX> going to check cd
[11:32] <WX> how do i check cd?
[11:33] <jdub> guptan: march preview, april final, yeah
[11:33] <rapha> theantix: Well, we don't get her WIFI going with network-admin, and I'm pretty sure it's not entirely our/the computers fault.
[11:33] <guptan> jdub: current version of ubuntu is PR right? so when is its actual release?
[11:33] <azeem> guptan: there's a release schedule on the wiki
[11:34] <jdub> guptan: we just shipped the release candidate
[11:34] <jdub> guptan: wartywarthog final is due on the 20th
[11:35] <ggi> swim: You'll have to install Java, then. See this in the FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[11:35] <guptan> jdub: thanks for that info.
[11:35] <malte`> i think the man in the wallpaper is looking at the right woman's boobs...
[11:36] <guptan> jdub: I think ubuntu gonna spend a long time with me :)
[11:36] <vorlon> WX: cat /dev/cdrom | md5sum may or may not work; the more certain way involves dd and calculating the exact size of the image that was written to disk.
[11:38] <SmokingFire> not sure but if the iso has an md5um in its root, then k3b will automagically parse the md5um.
[11:38] <SmokingFire> IF ubuntu doesn't have an md5um in its root
[11:38] <SmokingFire> wait let me check
[11:39] <SmokingFire> yup be ubuntu cd has an file called md5sum.txt in its root.
[11:40] <SmokingFire> vorlon: you could also check on your cd for it
[11:40] <swim> hrmm trying to play freecol, and I get: No JVM found to run FreeCol. Please install a JVM (>= 1.4) to run FreeCol or set JAVA_HOME if it's not a JVM from a Debian Package.  what should I do?
[11:41] <aitrus> did you install a jre?
[11:41] <swim> aitrus, no, does ubuntu not do that by default?
[11:41] <guptan> swim: you can get binary to install JVM/JRE from sun's site
[11:42] <vorlon> SmokingFire: that file contains md5sums of all files on the disk; not particularly interesting.  Anyway, I have my problem fixed already.
[11:42] <aitrus> swim: no.  most distro's don't.  just grab it from sun's site
[11:42] <Merlin_> solkaris, I'm good
[11:42] <SmokingFire> got this link about java from here or something: http://frassle.rura.org/Directory/index?feed=806 (link is very slow)
[11:42] <Merlin_> thanks
[11:42] <amu> guptan: which kind of networkcard you're using ? 
[11:42] <swim> guptan, aitrus ok, but doesnt ubuntu have it in its package repositories?
[11:43] <swim> hdpram
[11:43] <SmokingFire> what is this erotic art everyone talks about?
[11:44] <azeem> SmokingFire: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8551#291096 has some links to screenshots
[11:44] <amu> SmokingFire: just download a iso and you'll see *eg*  
[11:44] <swim> hrmm trying to set I/0 to 32 bit, on a laptop what would my device be for the harddrive?
[11:44] <staticactivity> the new theme got me scared :(
[11:44] <guptan> amu: its an intel pro 100. ubuntu is working fine with it
[11:45] <Solkaris> grats Merlin_
[11:45] <vorlon> swim: master HD on primary IDE is always /dev/hda.
[11:45] <LinuxJones> swim, /dev/hda ?
[11:45] <swim> thanks
[11:45] <amu> guptan: the module is loaded ?    
[11:45] <ggi> swim: No, Java is under restrictive licencing terms, and so Ubuntu can't include it. Here's a very good guide for making your own packages though: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[11:46] <swim> oh thanks ggi
[11:46] <SmokingFire> well ok the pics are not to arty, looks more from clothing magazine.
[11:47] <ggi> SmokingFire: Well, sans clothes.
[11:47] <SmokingFire> well you only see a lot of skin
[11:47] <guptan> amu: not sure, can u help me to load the module. when I tried sudo network-admin a window came up, but it went off without doing anything
[11:48] <SmokingFire> but anyway I don't mind if they removed it. Not my style anyway.
[11:48] <guptan> guys, what shud I install to enable browsing of windows shares from ubuntu. I can see them on nautilus but some problem in accessing windows shares
[11:48] <guptan> i've smbclient installed already*
[11:49] <SmokingFire> btw: what is this background called monthly calender? It seems the same as default.
[11:49] <azeem> guptan: it should just work
[11:49] <amu> guptan: first step, check if the driver-module is loaded, lsmod, if not, modprobe e100  
[11:50] <guptan> amu: let me check
[11:50] <swim> hrrm it seems on the sun site there is only i586 jre s that wont do for running on x86_64 will it?
[11:50] <amu> guptan: if you want something noncrypted like a commandline, run modconf ;) 
[11:51] <Solkaris> later all
[11:51] <georgia> swim: yeah it will
[11:51] <swim> ok thanks
[11:52] <ggi> swim: I see AMD64 binaries on the Sun site. What kind of chip do you have?
[11:53] <swim> ggi athlon 64
[11:54] <ggi> swim: Well, you'll be wanting the AMD64 ones then. They're at the bottom of the list, if you missed them.
[11:55] <SmokingFire> anyone using gdesklets?
[11:55] <swim> ggi could you paste the url
[11:55] <sri> jdub: ping
[11:56] <jdub> pong
[11:56] <sri> jdub: just to confirm the libldap2 package contains the evo patch right?
[11:57] <will> does anyone know how to set up the lpt port in ubuntu
[11:57] <jdub> sri: yeah
[11:57] <sri> jdub: just making sure thats what youre changelog.Debian.Z file was saying..okay cool.
[11:57] <ggi> swim: Was it the JRE or JRE/JDK you were downloading?
[11:57] <swim> ggi I guess jre :)
[11:58] <amu> will: easiest way open a browser, http://127.0.0.1:631
[11:58] <ggi> swim: I'll msg you. The URL is pretty long.
[11:58] <swim> oh heheh ok