willamu: it says administration is disabled and to use the applet in gnome instead!12:00
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ixusHello - I am new, & brand new to ubuntu12:01
ixushey :)12:01
LinuxJoneshi ixus12:01
ixusI need a little help getting started. . .12:01
SmokingFirewelcome to the ten step group of cold turkey linux12:01
SmokingFirePlease introduce your self and tell us your problem.12:02
ixustext mode starts up, but when I type "startx" all I get is a cursor  gey screen12:02
ixusI am Kieren from london UK12:02
SmokingFireis gdm loaded?12:02
SmokingFireits the gnome login manager or something12:03
swimtrying to compile a game from source, and am getting this:  build.sh: line 11: jam: command not found  mmm how can I solve this?12:03
SmokingFirebut why isn't x starting automatically?12:03
raphaMithrandir: thanks for so quickly adding my bug report12:03
ixusI don't know - I thought I might have to edit something to do that12:03
SmokingFireanyway in the textmode type gdm12:03
ggiswim: sudo apt-get install jam12:03
swim:) heh thanks ggi12:04
ixusokay - just resetting the big beige box12:04
SmokingFireif it says gdm is already started I can't help you further. So one else may12:04
ixusthanks SmokingFire12:04
ixusI shall let you know in a second when it loads up12:04
staticactivityfor me gdm was not installed by default, i had to apt-get in afterwards12:04
amuwill: gnome-cups-manager12:04
SmokingFireixus: Did you do a custom installation?12:05
ixusI didn't really get much option to - apart from partitions12:05
LinuxJonesixus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and re-check your settings.12:05
SmokingFireok, weird then12:05
ixusI used reiser, & kept my home folder from previous linux12:06
SmokingFireI did the same but no problems for me. Reiserfs and old /home12:06
ixusgdm = command not found12:07
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theantixhas there been any semi-official response to the gdm/splash/wallpaper that everyone has been talking about?12:07
raphatheantix: What wallpaper is that even?12:08
Mithrandirtheantix: none that I've seen, no.12:08
ixusrying that now LinuxJones :)12:08
LinuxJonesixus, sudo gdm12:08
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theantixokay, thanks12:08
chzyeah...i got sum new login wallpaper...12:08
swimtheantix, what is that?12:08
chzthree ppl holding hands..12:08
SmokingFirethen you should do the apt-get that staticactivity talked about12:08
theantixrapha: just upgrade and see for yourself :-)12:08
azeemrapha: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8551#29109612:08
raphatheantix: Well, that'll take a couple of days on 56k :-/12:08
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raphaPlus, I've auto-login turned on12:09
ixussudo gdm = command not found :[12:09
ixusI take it something has gone wrong along the way on the install then12:09
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swimggi, how odd to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?12:09
WW_First thing I did after that upgrade was use Login Screen Setup to choose a different login screen, then I disabled "Show splash login screen" in Sessions.12:09
willamu: in the printer port i have only USB ports...no LPT port!12:09
trans_errI just switched from debian to ubuntu- how do I import my old evolution data?12:09
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SmokingFireixus:  is network installed and enabled?12:09
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socommI don't see anything wrong with this art :^/12:10
ixusI think so - its first run, it downloaded a load of packages from teh net12:11
raphaWow, what are you people doing! I mean, in Germany this'll be fine, but in the US you'll damage your reputation!12:11
SmokingFireixus: if so then do sudo apt-get install gdm12:11
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socommYou gotta be pretty conservative to ... forget it.12:12
ixusit's downloading :)12:12
staticactivity<ixus> and also change the runlevel in /etc/inittab to 512:12
ixusoh damn - i need the Cd12:12
ixusAh - found it12:12
WW_For me, it was nothing about reputation or being conservative... it just looked too much like a Calvin Klein ad!12:12
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amuwill: the printer was online while booting ? 12:13
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georgialooks like a pretty tame "we like people" stock photo12:13
socommI wonder if Ubuntu actually paid for this photos though. :^/12:13
georgiacould be free to use photos12:14
georgiathere's a lot of them about12:14
socommHehe, does this come standard in hoary?12:14
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jansI'm having a sound problem with a new installation. 12:14
willamu: yeah its turned on, is it to do with bi-directional/compatible/ECP settings you think? its on bi-directional now12:14
swimanybody, when I try to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?12:14
socommGet it? ^_^12:14
willamu: sorry in the BIOS12:14
ixushooray!!  Thank-you SmokingFire12:14
janserror message Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist.12:14
thomas__hi.  I have three soundcards in my machine.  I'm new to ubuntu/debian - is there some way I can specify the "order" of devices so that one of those three I choose is the first ?12:14
ixusI now have a graphical log in :)12:14
AnnaI just wanted to share the good news that I've managed to install my first application from the command line (flashplayer, which no doubt, I'll regret in a couple of hours), and on top of that I configured two printers (but that was rather easy). 12:15
raphaAlso, why is it two white persons and one black person? Where's the Asian?12:15
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SmokingFireswim: can't you install jam and then reinstall freecol?12:15
willAnna: are your printers on Parallel ports?12:15
georgiarapha: if its a stock photo, you takes you what you gets12:15
SmokingFireixus: nice :)12:15
sabdflrapha: he's north africa, as it happens12:15
jansSound worked the first time I installed Ubuntu about 3 weeks ago. 12:16
willAnna: i can only choose from USB ports....where did you find your LPT ports?!?!?12:16
raphasabdfl: Well, looks like a "caucasian white male" to me or whatever it is called12:16
swimSmokingFire, I dont know I didnt install freecol in the firstplace, seems like it was already installed, but I would like to play it12:16
raphageorgia :-) ... did you make those images?12:16
SmokingFireIt should be me with the two women!12:16
georgiabut ive seen more than my fair share of stock photo cds, and it looks like they came off one of those12:17
raphaBecause despite from being of discussion-provoking nature, they definately do look good12:17
jansvery cute12:17
AnnaWill: I just did the Computer/System Configuration/Printing and then double click the 'add new printer' icon12:17
SmokingFireswim: perhaps you can just reinstall it afterwards. Synaptic is trying to solve conflicts is my guess.12:17
Annaand then follow it from tere12:18
SmokingFirerapha: to me its just like someone else said calvin klein. If it were arty then ok.12:18
ixusOh, now all I get after login is a brown screen & a cursor [12:18
willhumm, i can only select usb ports....will try and change my bios i think!12:18
willbye people!12:18
jdubgeorgia: (they're not stock photos)12:18
ixusBetter than grey at least12:18
georgiathey're not?12:18
SmokingFireixus: :)12:19
georgiahm, i stand corrected12:19
SmokingFireixus: can't help you further. I have not experienced similair problems.12:19
raphajdub: Did you make the pics?12:19
ixusthanks a lot for your help12:19
ixusI'm going to install it again12:19
SmokingFireok best of luck12:20
jdubrapha: no, a design company made them to spec for us12:20
ixusmaybe I did something wrong whilst eating my pizza12:20
LinuxJonesixus, check the faq ?12:20
ixushad a breif look12:20
raphajdub: I see12:20
ixusdidn't see anything abou tthis12:20
malte`bye bye12:20
SmokingFirelast time I spilled cola on my computer and this hot women in a red dress came out of it.12:20
raphajdub: Are you in the process of deciding for one?12:20
LinuxJonesixus, you using an nvidia or ati card ?12:20
jdubrapha: hrm?12:21
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SmokingFireLinuxJones: but x is starting so I figure thats not the problem.12:21
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LinuxJonesixus, did you install the nvidia driver ?12:21
raphajdub: Are you in the process of choosing a design company to do the final Ubuntu artwork?12:21
ixusit didn't ask me - so no I think12:22
jdubrapha: no, this is the final artwork for WartyWarthog. it's our release candidate!12:22
LinuxJonesSmokingFire, I had to install the Nvidia driver for some reason to make x work.12:22
SmokingFiresomeone also told about changing the runtime to level 5 or something12:22
SmokingFireixus: 12:22
ixusthe log in screen comes up now12:22
ixusbut thats it12:23
raphajdub: Oh, I see! Cool.12:23
SmokingFireixus: what if you go back to the console and type sudo -s12:23
SmokingFireand then load gdm and then x12:23
LinuxJonesixus, just try that first before you re-install it's in the faq >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto12:23
ixusI'll try that - just restarting :)12:23
raphajdub: One thing Ubuntu is certainly doing is being noticed :)12:23
raphaBest Distro Marketing Ever12:23
guptanwhere can I fid log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.12:24
SmokingFireubunutu should buy licenses from sco to get noticed even more.12:24
azeemrapha: still no /. story about the pr0n wallpaper though ;)12:24
rapha :-)12:24
ixussudo gdm & x also?12:24
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socommDoes ubuntu plan on going commercial?12:25
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SmokingFireno if you do sudo -s12:25
SmokingFireeverything will be launched as root12:25
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socommSmokingFire, `sudo -s' gives you a shell with root priviliges.12:26
suzan@socomm: Ubuntu will always be free of charge12:26
SmokingFireI know but it says with an whoami:root12:26
NoSiLvEr4uhow do i get mp3 support in ubuntu?12:27
socommsuzan, just wondering. Read that Ubuntu had commercial aspirations, somewhere.12:27
guptanNoSiLvEr4u: isn't it already supported?12:27
jdubsocomm: ubuntu is a commercially supported distribution12:27
SmokingFireNoSiLvEr4u: you will have to pay 59 bucks to fraunhoffer12:27
jordijdub: so what's all of this fuzz about the WartyPr0n?12:27
socommNoSiLvEr4u, ubuntu comes with MPG 3 support as far as I know.12:27
azeemjordi: nipples!12:27
jordiIs the background one of those we saw in Oxford?12:27
SmokingFiresocomm: not anymore12:27
jdubsocomm: we won't charge for the software itself12:27
jdubjordi: yeah12:27
jordijdub: cool12:28
SmokingFireNoSiLvEr4u: you need to install the gstreamer mad package if I remember correctly12:28
Se7hazeem where who what?12:28
socommjdub, just wondering never know when ubuntu may go the way of RH.12:28
guptanwhere can I find log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.12:28
jdubsocomm: it's part our commitment12:28
socommjdub, thanks for clearing that up.12:28
NoSiLvEr4uthanks smokingfire12:29
SmokingFirejdub: how do plan to earn money?12:29
NoSiLvEr4usocomm, rhythmbox tells me there is no mp3 support when i try to add mp3 files to my library12:29
jordijdub: I see the headlines. "LINUX GOES ANTI-CHRISTIAN IN THEIR RECENT RELEASE 4" 12:29
jdubSmokingFire: we're doing services and support for ubuntu. explaining it over irc is slightly too difficult.12:29
jdubjordi: heh12:29
jordiok, and before I go to bed.12:29
jordiRepeat with me! Va-len-cia! Va-len-cia!12:30
SmokingFirejordi: like apple for "apple" and darwin and some other stuff. I read some site once that Apple was anti christian12:30
socommNoSiLvEr4u, my install came with Mp3 support if I remember correctly.12:30
jordiSmokingFire: that webpage is hilarious12:30
SmokingFirejdub: canniciol has an online business plan?12:30
jordiSmokingFire: hey, it's based on BSD... And you know what the BSD icon is!12:30
NoSiLvEr4ui dunno i just did the latest from yesterday's install CD, and that's what it told me12:31
SmokingFiresocomm: they changed it for obvious reasons.12:31
socommSmokingFire, I know.12:31
SmokingFiresocomm: my first iso also had out of the box mp3 support but last weeks daily build didn't12:31
NoSiLvEr4uthe mulitimedia faq is pretty vague about it12:31
jdubSmokingFire: no12:31
SmokingFirejdub: ok, just curious12:31
guptancan somebody tell me where can I find the apt log 12:31
socommNoSiLvEr4u, try installing limp3-dev12:32
NoSiLvEr4uso gstreamer should have mp3 codecs?12:32
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jdubSmokingFire: better for us to spend time doing it rather than explaining it :-)12:32
georgiai'm listening to mp3s and installed today, havent done anythign to this machien excpet install thunderbird and a couple of perl modules12:32
ixusAh still no joy.  I'm going to reinstall12:32
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SmokingFirejdub: I know but investors and customers want to know if you are a sound company to keep long term relationships with.12:32
ixusI'll update when it's done12:32
RandomizeDoes anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?12:33
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jordidoes anyone have a screenshot of the default Warty desktop for the RC?12:33
diemanjdub: btw, metaverse was a great idea, i'm impressed with it so far.12:33
socommNoSiLvEr4u, or try libsmpeg012:33
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diemanjdub: or whatever this non-free stuff in ubuntu thing is :)12:33
SmokingFireixus: I also don't do updates during install. Prefer to login and internet while updating.12:33
jdubSmokingFire: they will want to know that from us, not from reading the website ;)12:33
LinuxJonessocomm, do you have gstreamer-mad installed ?12:33
richnrockvillemdInteresting background for the graphic's interface :)12:33
socommLinuxJones, no.12:34
ixusSmokingFire:  Thanks, I'll try that this time round :)12:34
LinuxJonesrichnrockvillemd, that's been a common theme here in the irc channel today :D12:34
LinuxJonessocomm, install it and try playing mp3 12:34
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socommLinuxJones, NoSiLvEr4u is the person trying to get MP3 playback.12:35
LinuxJonessocomm, oops sorry12:35
socommNo worries.12:35
NoSiLvEr4uok, i'll be back12:35
LinuxJonessocomm, I am watching "The Pianist" and not watching what I am doing :D12:35
willhelp! i have no Parallel Port!! does any one know about em?12:36
SmokingFireguptan: you asked about apt log?12:36
socommwill, more info.12:36
guptanSmokingFire: yes12:36
socommwill, please.12:36
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NoSiLvEr4ustill no love12:37
LinuxJoneswill, is your parallell port disabled in your system bios ?12:37
NoSiLvEr4ui did the gstreamer mad and the libsmpeg012:37
socommNoSiLvEr4u, how about libmp312:37
SmokingFireguptan: I saw on the mailing list an aptitude script but I can't find it. But perhaps from synaptic do file-->save markings12:37
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willi have set up my printer but in 'connection','printer port' i only have USB ports listed. in my bios the parallel port is set to ECP mode12:38
socommNoSiLvEr4u, I think that xmms uses mpg123 for MP3 playback.12:38
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NoSiLvEr4uyeah, i can't find libmp3 or mpg123 in my listing12:39
SmokingFireNoSiLvEr4u: do an apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-plugins This will install all gstreamer plugins12:39
LinuxJoneswill,  lsmod | grep par   ..... do you see a paraport module loaded ?12:39
NoSiLvEr4uand i've got all the repositories enabled12:39
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socommNoSiLvEr4u, `apt-cache search libmp3 | less' though `apt-get install libmp3' should do it for you.12:40
mike_douglasone prob: The new version of the gdm theme looks really stretched on widescreen. Any chance of getting a widescreen version?12:40
willLinuxjones: no only parport_pc and parport12:40
jdubmike_douglas: that'll be fixed before final12:40
LinuxJoneswill,  ok I thought the modules might not be loaded but they are.12:41
willstrange huh!12:41
SmokingFiresocomm mad should do it12:41
willwhat would the 'path' be to the parallel port12:42
willon say any given machine12:42
ixuspartitions:  should / have a bootable flag if I'm not making a boot partition?12:42
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jsubl2where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.12:43
SmokingFireixus one bootable part per HD12:43
LinuxJoneswill, it used to be /dev/lp0 but it's not there anymore12:43
willlinuxjones: so where do you find these things then??12:44
ixusI only have the one HD but was just goign to have partitions for /, /usr, /opt, & /home12:44
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ixusso would I flag / ?12:44
Phr0stByteWhy are there now naked people on my Gnome splash? LOL12:45
SmokingFireixus: yes12:45
Phr0stByteGreat update12:45
ixusThanks - no more questions for a nit - promise ;)12:45
socommWhat the hell, am I the only one without nudes on my system >_<.12:45
LinuxJoneswill, i dunno what is going on but try cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 and see if it prints to it.12:45
SmokingFireixus: no problem12:45
georgiasocomm: possibly12:45
willLinuxjones: permission denied!12:46
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willbash: /.dev/lp0: Permission denied12:46
socommwill as super user12:46
nosilver4uwell, still no luck on the mp3 thing12:46
LinuxJoneswill, sudo -s first12:46
georgiasocomm: though you seem stressed, so porn may not be the right solution ;)12:46
nosilver4uinstalled all the gstreamer plugins12:46
nosilver4ucouldn't find libmp3 though12:46
will sudo -s cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 < same thing12:47
socommnosilver4u, did you try installing it from the command line. I'm assuming that you're installing via sinaptic [sp?] 12:47
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LinuxJoneswill, maybe it's under /.dev/usb/lp0 12:48
socommLinuxJones, shouldn't it be /dev/lp012:48
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nosilver4uyeah, i tried both ways12:48
LinuxJonessocomm, they don't use devfs any more it's location has changed12:48
nosilver4ui'm a command line junky, having used gentoo mostly12:48
nosilver4ui get mp3 in xmms12:48
nosilver4uso i might just have to be satisfied with that12:49
willnone of em work, even /dev/lp012:49
socommnosilver4u, not a fan of xmms?12:49
nosilver4ujust not in rythmbox12:49
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nosilver4uused to be, but i kind of like having a library with all my music sorted by artist and album12:49
socommBMP is too high in cholesterol for my liking.12:49
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willoh well will leave it for now then12:50
Phr0stBytesocomm: cholesterol?12:50
socommPhr0stByte, bloat.12:50
SmokingFirenosilver4u: your problem is not normal.12:51
willanother question: how do i disable DMA support only on hdd12:51
Phr0stBytesocomm: like?12:51
nosilver4uyeah, i didn't think so12:51
nosilver4unothing on this computer is12:51
nosilver4ui can't even get ubuntu to load X with my radeon 850012:51
nosilver4ui had to downgrade to a 700012:51
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nosilver4ufortunately it's not my primary computer, use it mostly for an ftp and webserver12:52
Phr0stBytesocomm: Actually, BMP is the result of the XMMS developement brach splitting12:52
raphaWhat component should I file bugs under that apply to all of Ubuntu (i.e., generic things)?12:52
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Phr0stBytesocomm: (Plus its gtk2)12:53
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chzhas anybody been having problems with wireless..?12:54
socommPhr0stByte, You can really tell the difference on older processors.12:54
ixusAnyone installed ubuntu on Apple hardware or via mini-itx?12:54
chzi cant seem to figure out why i cant shutdown my card and restart it...12:54
Phr0stBytesocomm: Maybe thats my problem, heh12:55
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jazzkawhat solutions has ubuntu to see quiktime movies?12:55
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Phr0stBytejazzka: win32codecs12:56
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jazzkaPhr0stByte, it's installed, but can't see movies on firefox ..12:56
amuixus: PowerBook5,4 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh12:57
SmokingFirejazzka: no easy solution to play movies in firefox on linux12:57
Phr0stBytejazzka: a browser plug-in is a different matter12:57
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SmokingFirejazzka: people are working on it, slowly12:57
socommjazzka, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer12:57
Phr0stBytejazzka: you mean trailers?12:58
jazzkaCould I see the movie if I download the mov file?12:58
guptanhow can I get Mplayer for ubuntu, can I use deb packages?12:58
jazzkaPhr0stByte, yes12:58
Phr0stBytejazzka: look up plugger12:58
SmokingFireIf there was an xpi for totom-xine, ubuntu would almost be perfect.12:58
socommguptan, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer12:58
socommGo through that tutorial.12:58
SmokingFirejazzka: But the problem is getting the source of the embedded movie.12:59
socommPhr0stByte, mplayer-plugin.12:59
jazzkathen, does a solution exist?12:59
Chriffergxine has a mozilla plugin12:59
SmokingFireIs xfree using motif?12:59
Phr0stBytesocomm: I like mozplugger12:59
ixusamu:  How did you find it on the PB?  I have an iBook - might give it a try if I like it on the PC12:59
SmokingFireIf so why can't it plugin into the whatever running window manager?01:00
raphaSmokingFire: Oh yes, there is. It's called mplayerplugin01:00
georgiai really like ubuntu on my eMac01:00
SmokingFirerapha: downloading it now01:01
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amuixus: the best thing i saw, installed the CD and everything works by default ex. extreme :)  01:01
ixusI might give it a go :)01:02
SmokingFireI hope they don't go to an graphical installer like fedora's or like mandrake. They are to bloated.01:02
ixusamu:  I have an iBook 366mhz & haven't had much sucsess getting Linux on it so far - just glad there is another distro for the Mac01:02
SmokingFireMy perfect linux installer would just dumb the cd onto the hd and then unpack and configure01:03
georgiaixus: i ran yellowdog on my ibook 500, ran like a dog though01:03
georgiamost likley was the fact i had very little ram in it though01:03
RandomizeTruth in advertising. :)01:03
amuixus: no problem, i run 2 part. 1 with osx and tried to install linux on the 2nd part. , well from earlier installations it was a terrible thing, BUT now very very easy   01:04
ixusgeorgia: I could never get teh 2nd YD cd to load - it always crashed.  I'm going to burn a Ubuntu CD & try it out once I backup01:04
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georgiayeah i dual boot here as well, though there;s very little i need osx for now. other than final cut pro i can do just about everythin under linux01:05
LinuxJonesgeorgia, whqat version of FC are you using Pro or Express ?01:06
amuixus: i tried with debian before, guess you saw the many "how2installmyiBook" reports ;) Ubuntu just works       01:06
LinuxJonesgeorgia, nice01:06
SmokingFiredid you ever try customize toolbar in firefox?01:06
georgiato be precise fcp hd01:06
LinuxJonesgeorgia, sweet I'm getting a dual G5 with FC Pro in 2 months can't wait :D01:07
ixusI'm looking forward t the iBook install now - just have to wait for the PC install to work though01:07
ixusgot to have one net ready PC01:07
georgiai'm glad i dont do much editing of large files i'm on an eMac and cant afford a g5 at the moment01:08
LinuxJonesgeorgia, ya they are rather expensive. However, you get what you pay for :P01:08
georgiamy emac is exactly what i wanted though, i needed a cute machine, preferably all in one, capable of running fcp and burning dvds01:09
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amuixus: have fun with it ;)  01:09
LinuxJonesgeorgia, your not running Apple Motion by chance are you ?01:09
ricochetI am getting gzip: stdin: not in gzip format errors from apt-get update.  whats going on?01:10
LinuxJonesgeorgia, I am getting that as well but don't know anybody personally who is using it.01:10
georgiait looks nice, but its more money i dont need to spend, and dont have01:10
aitrusricochet: just keep running apt-get update, they'll clear up01:11
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LinuxJonesgeorgia, thank god for local small business assistance programs :D01:11
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georgiabe good if i could get much help01:12
RandomizeHate hammering on this, but really flummoxed: Does anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?01:12
LinuxJonesgeorgia, where are you located ?01:12
LinuxJonesI live in New Scotland, aka Nova Scotia Canada01:13
georgiagod i love linux!01:15
RandomizeAnd it loves you. :)01:15
RandomizeJust, not in "that way."01:16
georgiausually it doesnt, but it seems to today, everything i need to work is working :D01:16
RandomizeIf I could get aac playback working I could dump my XP install, it feels silly to be stuck on something so trivial.01:16
ixushooray!!!  I have a Gnome desktop :D01:17
ixusThanks for all your helpp guys.  The reinstall worked01:17
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raphaAnybody got experience with Skype?01:18
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LinuxJonesrapha, that's voice telephone ?01:19
LinuxJonesrapha, over ip ?01:19
punkass_rapha: used it on windows...and it works well01:20
punkass_rapha: installed it on linux...worked well01:20
punkass_rapha: havent tried it on ubuntu yet01:20
aitrushmm... do i need to run the smp kernel with a P4 HT processor?01:20
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aitruslinux usually sees the HT's as 2 processors isntead of 1...01:21
RandomizeMmm, I would suspect that you do not "need" to run a kernel with smp support.  As to what sacrifices you make in terms of performance by not having HT utilized on the CPU, haven't the foggiest.01:26
raphaLinuxJones: yes01:26
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swim does anyone know where I can get the java sdk docs off the sun site?01:27
raphapunkass_: Because my friend and I were experimenting with GnomeMeeting and SIP stuff (Linphone, that is), both of which didn't work very well...01:27
swimduh got it ;)01:27
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LinuxJonesrapha, is it free or do you have to pay service fees ?01:28
jbarnettdoes ubuntu have any support for dial-up using winmodems?01:28
raphaLinuxJones: Only if you want to call "normal" telephones. But it's a closed-source program (using the latest freedesktop.org technology still)01:29
LinuxJonesrapha, ahh01:29
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punkass_rapha: well i randomly picked someone from australia (im in canada) and it seemed to work fine01:30
raphaThis is kind of a new breed of commercial software, the one we always whished would be available for Linux. So it's kind of interesting to see if their business model will work...01:30
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raphapunkass_: Sounds cool!01:30
raphaLinuxJones: International fee into a number of countries (virtually all important ones) is 1.7 EURO-cents per minute.01:31
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swimvery bizarre I put the  cpu frequency scaling monitor on my panel, and it's showing to be running at 0% and jumping up and down between 7.10ghz or so and 0ghz ! what the?01:31
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aitrusswim: 7 ghz!  that's a great machine!01:32
swimhehe yeah I wish01:32
LinuxJonesrapha, ya it is very expensive....have you looked at TeamSpeak ?? >> http://www.goteamspeak.com/01:32
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raphaLinuxJones: That is the fee for calling NORMAL phones. Internet-to-internet calls are feeless.01:33
andreasvchey does anyone know if it's possible to get CD-R working with a 2.4 kernel?01:33
raphaIt actually is very cheap.01:33
gatolasTeampspeak looks like a fine app01:33
LinuxJonesrapha, ya01:33
swimI want it to work01:33
raphaandreasvc: Why wouldn't it?01:34
andreasvcI compiled my own 2.4 kernel and it doesn't, somehow01:34
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gatolasnewbie quick question> how do I edit grub list? I change grub.conf, then what? (for lilo, I know I need to run /sbin/lilo after editing conf file)01:34
raphaandreasvc: Did you compile ide-scsi in, and are you passing "hdX=ide-scsi" on the kernel commandline?01:34
andreasvcah, not passing that commandline, thanks01:35
raphagatolas: Edit /boot/grub/menu.list01:35
jbarnettdoes ubuntu support dial-up connections?01:35
raphagatolas: Then just reboot. The changes take effect immediately.01:35
andreasvcyes, use ppp01:35
raphajbarnett: Yes01:35
gatolasrapha: after I edit that list, how do I "update"?01:35
gatolasOh, I just reboot? cool!01:35
jbarnettwith winmodems?01:35
raphagatolas: You don't have to.01:35
raphajbarnett: I don't believe so, but I'm not sure. Try it, and if it doesn't work look at winmodem.org if yours is supported and how to set it up.01:36
jbarnettrapha, ok, thanks.  01:36
ixuswhat is /dev/dsp ?01:38
andreasvcthe soundcard device01:38
ixusfor some reason it's stopping me from opening video files01:39
andreasvcixus: does your soundcard work?01:39
ixusi don't know - I can't open any media01:40
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andreasvcthen you should probably try to get your soundcard to work before trying any videos...01:40
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Phr0stByteIs there a place where we can see what was done with these kernel updates?01:41
andreasvcit's also interesting to install "totem-xine" to be able to play divx01:41
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ixusI don't know if it works.  Anyone got a website with sound?01:44
JakeandBakeyou should be able to hear system sound effects01:46
JakeandBakeNautilus makes sounds every time you open a window or click a button01:46
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andreasvcand you can try "dmesg | grep -i alsa" to see kernel messages about your soundcard01:47
Dashivaany clue why my ubuntu just booted up with pictures of half nekkid guys01:47
JakeandBakeit is 2 chicks and a guy01:47
georgiaand its nice01:47
JakeandBakeand it is the new ubuntu art or whatever01:47
JakeandBakei like it too01:47
JakeandBakeyou can change it if you like01:48
JanneMnot supposed to be the deafault, though01:48
Dashivais there an easy way to change it or do i have to use gconf and gdmconfig01:48
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StoneTableI really hope they don't make that new artwork the default01:49
Dashivait booted up default when i reinstalled01:49
goatboyDashiva: you can downgrade and hold ubuntu-artwork if you want the old ones back.01:50
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goatboy(that's what I did)01:50
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SmokingFireDashiva: computer-->system conf -->login screen setup01:50
Dashivano more gconfeditor01:50
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SmokingFireDashiva: btw in login screen setup choose graphical login and click on the radio button of the login you want01:51
GOwinquestion: why do mpg movies in ubuntu looks pale in comparison with viewing them from windows?01:52
gatolaswhat ir wrong with this line? /dev/hda7       /mnt/Documentos vfat    rw,user,auto    0       001:52
gatolasWhen I try to see it, I can see a list of everything, but nautilus (and terminal) won't tell folders apart from files.01:52
gatolasNeither can be accessed01:53
Dashivachange rw to umask=00001:53
gatolasDashiva: thanks01:53
andreasvcyou might want to keep rw01:53
Dashivadon't forget to remount it01:53
ixusandreasvc  Thanks. "device xxxxx does not have a release function & must be fixed"01:54
gatolasDashiva: I replaced "auto 0 0 0" with the umask line01:55
andreasvcixus: figure out what soundcard you have and google it, see if other linux people have it working01:55
Dashivaif it's vfat is shoudl read /mnt/documentos  vfat  user,auto,umask=000  0  001:55
ixusThanks - will do :)  Tomorrow though - it's gettign past my bedtime now ;)01:56
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Bohhhi would prefer kde instead of gnome for ubuntu01:57
gatolasDashiva: replacing auto with umask seems to have solved it. Your line doesn't include rw please explain01:57
Bohhhbad choice for ubuntu01:57
Dashivarw only sets permissions for the owner01:57
Dashivaas in root01:58
georgialo neuro_01:58
Dashivaumask=000 makes it read/write for all users01:58
andreasvcrw means write the device as read write01:58
gatolasDashiva! oh! ok, brb01:58
jdubBohhh: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000022.html01:58
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andreasvcwhoops, I meant mount the device :$01:58
Dashivakde sucks01:59
Dashivaif i wanted something that bloated i'd use windows :D01:59
jdubDashiva: let's not go there...01:59
jdubBohhh: you can install kde from universe.01:59
gatolasjdub: excellent response! I prefer Gnome too, but I'm bookmarking that link!01:59
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Bohhhjdub, universe? what is it?02:01
jdubBohhh: unsupported packages from debian main02:01
swimhelp trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file02:01
Bohhhkde i a more integrated desktop though02:02
swimBohhh, I agree, though I find gnome prettier :)02:02
Bohhhi can do everything with that konqueror02:02
Bohhhi wonder if mozilla can replace it02:02
swimI still preffer mozilla, at least in kde 3.2.3, it was faster02:03
Bohhhit doesn't look like to be a file-manager02:03
andreasvcfirefox is even better than mozilla :P02:03
Bohhhswim, is mozilla a file-manager?02:03
swimthats what I mean firefox02:03
andreasvcno it's not02:03
swimBohhh, no, a webbrowser02:03
Bohhh(other than a browser)02:03
andreasvcbut nautilus is a file manager02:04
andreasvc(and a browser)02:04
Bohhhwell, damn..02:04
Bohhhwhy not kde then for a desktop!!02:04
jdubBohhh: there is good value separating the idea of 'file manager' and 'web browser', which is what GNOME has done02:04
jdubBohhh: see that post.02:04
Bohhhjdub, i read it02:04
andreasvcjdub: say what? nautilus is from gnome and it's both a browser and file manager02:04
Bohhhjdub, it forgot to mention "integration" as an advatange in kde desktop02:05
gatolasnewbie question 2: lilo handles drives as /hda3, etc. How do I setup an equivalent in grub? hd0,2 doesn't seem to work02:05
jdubBohhh: the post was not about the advantages of KDE.02:05
swimanybody? help trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file02:05
Bohhhjdub, indeed :)02:05
andreasvcswim: java is *bad* :P02:05
jdubBohhh: i don't think the concept of "integration" is present only in KDE02:05
jdubandreasvc: it is not intended to be a browser.02:05
jdubandreasvc: the fact that there are browser plugins for it is a relic of the past.02:06
gatolasswim: are you synapticking it?02:06
swimandreasvc, yes but I need it to play a particular game02:06
swimgatolas, I heard that one could not synaptic it02:06
andreasvcswim: that sounds ironic; you *need* to play a *game*02:06
andreasvcthere's a free software attempt at java but it's nowhere near usable alas02:06
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swimandreasvc, yes, its true though, otherwise I begin to atrophy02:06
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swimoh bummer andreasvc02:07
gatolasnewbie question2 again: what is the equivalent of /hda3 in grub terms?02:08
andreasvcswim: yeah, it even crashes firefox so I just uninstalled it02:08
andreasvcgatolas: hd0,2 did sound right02:08
LinuxJonesgatolas, hd0,202:08
goatboyswim: ia64 is Itanium, you probably want something like amd64 or x86_64.02:09
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gatolasandreasvc, LinuxJones: it doesn't work02:09
gatolasit says 0xeb is not supported02:09
swimgoatboy, ah thats what I thought, but I couldnt find anything02:09
andreasvcso why not stick with lilo then...02:09
gatolasI formerly used lilo to boot that same partition (it's a BeOS partition)02:09
gatolasandreasvc: because ubuntu's default is grub, and I just installed ubuntu02:10
LinuxJonesgatolas, BeOS lol02:10
andreasvcyou can use lilo to boot grub to boot ubuntu :P02:10
andreasvcthat's just what I did, in fact02:10
swimgoatboy, they should have something though dont you think?02:10
Dashivai don't think grub supports befs02:10
andreasvcand one can also easily install lilo in ubuntu02:10
goatboyswim: no idea.02:10
Dashivai had a problem with that02:10
Dashivayou might try lilo02:10
gatolasthat 5 year old crap you say boots faster than any other OS (even newest top of the line OSes)02:10
andreasvcgrub doesn't need to support befs, as long as beos has it's own boot manager it can boot the partition02:11
gatolasDashiva: what does it take to replace grub with lilo02:11
gatolasgoogle is too full of results about grub/lilo, I can't pin any particular useful one02:11
gatolasAny links? Or should I synaptic it?02:11
andreasvcgatolas: apt-get install lilo, make a proper lilo.conf or use the old one, and then sudo lilo02:12
gatolasandreasvc: with lilo, I just needed to put hda3 there and it worked02:12
gatolasandreasvc: I'mr writing that down, thanks02:12
Dashivathat should work02:12
Dashivalilo seems to boot anything..even reiser402:13
andreasvcyou can do such things with grub too02:13
andreasvclook at the bottom of the grub config02:13
andreasvcthe one where you don't supply a kernel but just boot the partition02:13
RandomizeHas anyone here played (and played successfully) with getting the radeon framebuffer kernel module working in harmony with the fglrx drivers for X?  Or is that just bad voodoo by any measure?02:13
Dashivagatolas, you might throw rootnoverify and then chainloader +1 into there02:13
Dashivain grub at least02:14
Dashivathat might work02:14
gatolasyou mean grub can't boot reiserfs?02:14
Dashivait can boot 3 not 402:14
gatolasGee, to think I almost choose reiserfs with this install, just to test it out02:14
andreasvcbut I suppose he's not using reiser402:14
Dashivaubuntu only supports 302:14
swimwhat do I type to install a .deb package?02:14
andreasvcreiserfs is actually very very good02:14
andreasvcI use it on all my boxes02:15
LinuxJonesswim, dpkg -i <package>02:15
gatolasI accepted the grub default, because I kept hearing how superior to lilo it was.02:15
andreasvcyeah it has advantages02:15
swimthank LinuxJones02:15
LinuxJonesswim, ;)02:15
Dashivai like grub because you don't have to reinstall it every time you change kernels02:16
andreasvcI think the menu looks nicer02:16
gatolasoh. Interesting advantages. Though bootrecord hasn't been replaced through several distro-whoring sessions, and the default menu in grub is ... hidden02:17
gatolasI will google some more on it02:17
gatolassee ya02:17
gatolasThanks Dashiva and all02:17
Dashivaand beos > *02:18
swimanyone please? getting this error trying install this game package: http://pastebin.com/11007402:18
Dashivaswim, what's it say02:18
Dashivayou'll have to manually dl java02:19
LinuxJonesswim, you need java02:19
gatolasDashiva: stop mocking my OS preferences :( . Hey everyone here is using a "rebel" OS after all... ;)02:19
Dashivanah i love beos02:19
swimfreecol depends on j2re1.4 | java2-runtime; however:02:19
swim  Package j2re1.4 is not installed.02:19
swim  Package java2-runtime is not installed.02:19
swim  and other stuff but Ihave, the free version of java sdk installed (through synaptic) 02:19
Dashivait's on my harddrive...just won't boot02:19
gatolasits grub I tell ya ;)02:19
RandomizeNo rebel OS here.  DeathStar 4.5 all the way, baby!02:19
andreasvcswim, the free version won't do02:19
Dashivafor me it's Nforce2 DMA02:19
Dashivaon the harddisks02:20
andreasvcthey want extra proprietary sun stuff02:20
gatolasDashiva: I'll find the way to lilo it and come back rescue you :-D02:20
JanneMswim: you will probably need to go to Sun's site and download it from there and install manually02:20
swimandreasvc, even just to install ?02:20
smowhile I really don't want to reopen that particular can of worms, can anyone confirm for me wether the live-i386 image contains the "old" or "new" artwork please?02:20
andreasvcswim, well iff it wouldn't work after installing what's the point!?02:20
swimproblem is I cannot figure out what to use for x86_64 amd64...02:20
JanneMsmo: the idea is, I believe that the "new" artwork will not be the default02:20
JanneMwe're all running prereleases, so shouldn't be surprised by glitches 02:21
smonm, I'll just reboot and dogfood it.  I really don't want to discuss the merits of it, it'd appear that's been done to death lol .. I just want to know what to expect, as I plan to use it with an audience tomorrow02:23
GOwincan anyone tell me why the mpg videos i play in ubuntu doesn't look as good in windows?02:23
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cardadorGOwin: maybe you wanted to say "as good as in windows"? :)02:25
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ixustime for bed02:27
GOwinyeah that's what i mean. :)02:27
cardadorGOwin: have you installed win32 codecs?02:28
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gatolasDashiva: I'm in BeOS right now. I'm here to tell you that your grub edit suggestion worked02:29
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gatolasDashiva: I added "chainloader +1", and just in case, removed the line "boot"02:29
gatolasDashiva: thanks02:29
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gatolasDashiva: apparently removing rw in favor of auto blocks "recognition" of normal folders02:30
Phr0stByteDont suppose anyone has a Wacom drawing tablet working, do they?02:30
gatolasI'll look into it in a while, gotta go now02:30
gatolasthanks so far!!!02:30
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, I don't have a Wacom but here's a tutorial >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom02:31
lupus_why does ubuntu also include a amd optimised kernel?02:31
LinuxJoneslupus_, the kernel is optimized to run on that processor type02:32
lupus_fedora hasn't got one because they say the kernel will detect the right cpu and then use the optimisations02:32
Phr0stByteLinuxJones: went through that - it didnt work for me02:32
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, sorry to hear that. Someone was here last week asking the same question.02:33
JanneMhas anyone got Japanese input to work? I've been trying with the iiim packages, but no luck so far02:33
Phr0stByteLinuxJones: yeah - me02:33
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, lol02:33
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, I probably pointed that hoto out to you last week :D02:34
Phr0stByteyep - thats when I tried it02:35
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Aandid anyone test out the new release?02:36
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, something like that you figure you would only need to load the module and away you go.02:36
Phr0stByteLinuxJones: One of these days, I will run into someone that has one working02:37
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Aanwhere can I get the package list?02:37
Phr0stByteLinuxJones: I checked the kernel - the module is enabled by default02:37
JanneMinput method install? anyone?02:37
Aanwhat kernel does it come with? also does it include prism2 wireless support (wlan package?) thanks02:38
Phr0stByteJanneM: for...?02:38
Phr0stByteJanneM: ????????02:39
Phr0stByteJanneM: ?;???t02:39
LinuxJonesAan, & prism2_usb.ko so yes I assume02:40
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Phr0stByteJanneM: What language do you want?02:40
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Aanlinux.. awesome.. my usb wifi didn't work at all on the last release 02:40
LinuxJonesAan, give it a go ;)02:41
Aanlinuxjones, anyway to get a package list?02:42
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WW_Sorry if this is a faq:  Is the LiveCD still available?  I don't sit it listed in the download site on the Ubuntu web page.02:42
LinuxJonesAan, of the entire distro ?02:42
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Aanyes.. I read the release notes..but it's rather lacking in content. :D02:42
Aanwell, actually only wanna find out whether pilotlink and gnome-pilot are included 02:43
sabdflWW_: it's not yet ready for RC02:43
sabdflwe hope Friday...02:43
LinuxJonesWW_, >> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/02:43
Aansabdfl, the live CD?02:43
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LinuxJonesAan, 1 sec I will look02:44
|trey|Aan: I know gnome-pilot is...02:44
sabdflAan: yes02:44
Aantreyl.. thanks..that'll do it..02:44
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Aanso if I can get my wifi and palm tungsten sync working, I WILL SWITCH.. finally.02:44
Aantoo bad, I'll miss Documents to Go for Windows.02:44
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LinuxJonesAan, pilotlink=no && gnome-pilot=yes02:45
WW_sabdfl, LinuxJones: Thanks.02:45
|trey|Aan: Why switch when you can use both? its better to ease into Linux, dependence on something you are not yet familier with will frustrate you  :(02:45
Aanlinuxjones, thanks. :D02:45
LinuxJonesAan, ;)02:45
Aanwell, so far, my biggest gripes have been having to fiddle with bunch of text config files..02:46
Aanlast time, ubuntu was pretty nice...02:46
|trey|Aan: as a desktop linux distro... it is nice... I wouldn't be using it if it wasn't  ;)   still, I'd recommend dual booting for a while  :)02:47
Aanalso, I keep using windows, only thing I'll ever learn is how to reinstall Windows for the nth time.02:47
LinuxJonesAan, you will learn alot about computers in general using Linux02:47
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Aanlinuxjones, I hope..but I would rather not learn about scripts and such.. no time..02:48
jsubl2where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured:  SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.02:49
LinuxJonesAan, you can learn at your own pace once it is installed. Remember this is pre-release software and under heavy development02:49
Aanlinuxjones, will i be able to apt-get distro upgrade once the final release is out?02:49
|trey|LinuxJones: actually, it was apparently released today or yesturday...02:49
|trey|So we get our CD's soon hopefully  :)02:50
aitrusthe release candidate was released today02:50
LinuxJones|trey|, oh ya ?02:50
Aanread from distrowatch that RC was released today..02:50
LinuxJones|trey|, I was away for 4 days cool02:50
AanI am downloading the copy right now.02:50
|trey|aitrus: ahh, osnews says Ubuntu 4.10 released, someone should complain...02:50
LinuxJonesAan, you don't have to dist-upgrade just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade02:50
|trey|ps, for those interested, gnome-applet-data and gdm's postinst scripts are fucked somehow...02:51
Aanlinuxjones, oh..02:51
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Aanhm, btw, who chose the background page for logon page? 02:51
Aanbackground image, I mean..02:51
|trey|LinuxJones: only different is: dist-upgrade is goes through major changes and new deps, upgrade doesn't.02:52
JanneMPhr0stByte: sorry - was gone for a moment02:52
JanneMPhr0stByte: Japanese02:52
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Aanwell, anyways, won't spoil for those who haven't looked at it.. but I must say I see some three-some interracial fetish...02:53
jdub|trey|: it says "RC"02:53
LinuxJones|trey|, ya 02:53
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JanneMPhr0stByte: my problem is, I get the iiim packages installed, but any gtk app will crash/quit unexpectedly when I try to change input method02:53
JanneMand I'm not really sure how to look for further info02:54
Aanwell, dinner time..02:54
Aanwill be back over the weekend when I gert some time to test drive the new release.. thanks people esp. the developers.... MOOCH~!02:55
Phr0stByteJanneM: ????02:55
JanneMPhr0stByte: about input method configuration02:55
JanneM<Phr0stByte> JanneM: What language do you want?02:55
Phr0stByteJanneM: I installed it for my wife02:55
JanneMthe iiim packages?02:56
Phr0stBytehold on02:56
staticactivityhow can i make the applications shown in 'window list' applet to be place in 2 rows02:56
Phr0stByteJanneM: im-ja02:57
JanneMthat one's now available in universe, though?02:57
smostaticactivity: It should do that automagically if the panel containing the list is atleast 40px02:57
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Phr0stByteI installed from there website02:57
PenguinBoyevening, guys!02:57
LinuxJonesPenguinBoy, hi02:58
PenguinBoyhey LinuxJones!02:58
staticactivity<smo> ok, thanks02:58
JanneMim-ja is ok; would prefer iiim though. 02:58
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JanneMwith im-ja, you only get it for gtk apps02:58
GOwinhow do i reconfigure a custom ubuntu install so i could have a gui?02:59
GOwinor how do i start the gui from a custom install?03:00
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LinuxJonesGOwin, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do it.03:00
bloggsieIs there a Real Audio player in the stable?03:00
staticactivity<smo>it is not working :(03:00
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smoodd, that's exactly how it behaves here.  if I size the panel to 40px, it creates a second row .. at 60px it gains a third03:03
JanneMstaticactivity: you need enough space for the font. If you hve a larger than normal font, you need more space03:03
JanneMstaticactivity: also, you need more than one window up, or it won't show :)03:04
staticactivity<JanneM> which font? i havn't changed any font03:04
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GOwinlinuxjones, i get an error = couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop03:04
staticactivity<JanneM> i opened like 10 terminal windows but all gets listed side by side03:04
JanneMstaticactivity: then I don't know03:04
GOwini tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. was that right?03:05
LinuxJonesGOwin, apt-get update03:05
LinuxJonesGOwin, then try again03:05
PenguinBoyapt-get dist-upgrade maybe03:05
tckhas 'synaptic' upgrade manager always been part of gnome ?03:06
jlsudo aptitude install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop03:06
tckor is it a ubuntu plus03:07
Phr0stBytetck: it is not part of Gnome03:07
JanneMtck: it is ubuntu and other debian-based distros03:07
tckah cool :)03:07
tckthx, im converting mates03:07
tckhave two on board already :P03:07
GOwinwhen i install the desktop, do i have the option not to automatically start the gui?03:07
PenguinBoysynaptic is reviewed in this month's Linux Jounral03:07
smoI plan to "convert" a local business owner tomorrow :o)  this is where I get flamed for jumping the gun with preview releases   hehe03:08
LinuxJonesGOwin, it will start automatically but you can change that later03:08
pedro_gthink i used synaptic a while back on a redhat distro as well03:08
azeempedro_g: conactiva developed it03:08
aitrussmo: sometimes converting someone too early hurts linux advocacy more than it helps it since there are potential issues that could be worked out before the full release03:09
GOwinhmm .. still get an error: "couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ubuntu-desktop". 03:09
tckPenguinBoy, cool03:10
pedro_gazeem: as i recall it wasn't integrated very well - very impressed with it on ubuntu03:10
smoaitrus: atm all he's looking for is a proof-of-concept .. he's so far been blissfully unaware that there was any alternative to unleashing XP terminals on the public03:10
smoso we plan to put a livecd on one terminal for a weekend, then sit down 'n discuss what it needs to be usable03:10
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azeempedro_g: I don't think ubuntu changed much, it certainly looks very similar to the one in Debian03:10
GOwini'm running aptitude now. what do i select from there?03:11
LinuxJonesGOwin, is apt searching your cdrom when you search ?03:11
pedro_gazeem: sure you're right - haven't used a debian based distro in a while.  liking ubuntu so far though - especially for a prerelease03:12
azeemyeah, ubuntu rocks03:12
PenguinBoywhen will the stable be rel;eased?03:12
azeemPenguinBoy: next week it seems03:12
LinuxJonesGOwin, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and comment out all lines except for >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe03:13
PenguinBoyI love ubuntu.....this is my first dip into Debian World.....and I really like it!03:13
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GOwini don't have an internet connection on the ubuntu box yet03:13
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PenguinBoyighly recommended03:14
SmokingFirewell to be honest when I was using mandrake and was on the drake channel people would say drake rules, some on slackware, redhat and others.03:15
swimhi, trying to install java as per: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian   and have gotten to step 13 where I cannot do apt-get install java-compiler-dummy.control   help?03:15
GOwinhmm .. while browsing around aptitude i found "ubuntu-desktop" under tasks>unrecognized tasks03:16
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Phr0stByteCool! There is naked people wallpaper to match the Gnome splash!03:16
LinuxJonesGOwin, can you get your internet up and running ?03:16
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GOwinlinuxJones, maybe. i feel lost with CLI. can you help?03:17
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: apt-get install ubuntu-artwork03:17
PenguinBoythank ye kind sir03:18
LinuxJonesGOwin, ok do you know what kind of network card you have ?03:18
swimhrmm damn03:18
Phr0stByteAnyone know why its called callender wallpaper when there is no callender?03:21
jdubPhr0stByte: because it will be updated every month03:22
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Phr0stBytejdub: would be kinda cool to have a callender on it though...03:23
Se7humount: /media/floppy0: device is busy03:23
Se7humount: /media/floppy0: device is busy03:23
Se7hwhy this happens? 03:23
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spaaz9hi all, I'm having a problem, and hoping someone can help.  I can't get X to start.  I have an nVidia pci card, but my onboard video is detected.  on boot, it says ignoring pci display device on PCI:01:0e.0  Changing my driver to nVidia doesn't help any... gdm still won't start.  How do I fix this so that my pci card is loaded?03:25
punkassspaaz: do you have to turn your onboard video off in the bios?03:26
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PenguinBoymy wallpaper will not change03:27
punkassin your x86config file are you calling the driver 'nvidia' or 'nVidia'?03:27
spaaz9The only time I've had this problem before is when Lycoris Desktop/LX detected my onboard, but by selecting the nvidia driver, it worked.  I've never seen my pci card ignored during boot.  I think it has to do with the way the installer detected my components.03:28
spaaz9punkass nvidia03:28
PenguinBoyphrostbyte how do I change backgrounds?03:29
spaaz9I know.. it's weird.  I've never encountered this problem, and I've used over 10 different distros03:29
punkassdoes lcpci  list your nvidia card?03:29
punkassyou cant  modprobe nvidia  then restart X?03:29
spaaz9you meant lspci...   lemme try modprobe.. just a sec.03:30
punkasssorry yes i did :)03:30
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: Your using Gnome?03:30
punkassyou have to edit /etc/modules and add   nvidia  to it so it loads the nvidia driver on boot up03:30
spaaz9hmmm... when I startx, it says no screens found... 03:31
spaaz9ok.. lemme try that.03:31
PenguinBoyI left clicked on the desktop.......clicked on the calendar wallpaper....but still seeign the ubuntu default03:31
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: right-click the desktop and choose the last optin03:31
PenguinBoydid that03:31
punkassPenguinBoy: did u logout after updating?03:31
spaaz9punkass it's already in there.  nvidia loads on boot.03:31
punkassspaaz9: sorry man not sure...have to wait for someone smarter :)03:32
spaaz9alright.. thanks for your help.  03:32
defendguinhey punkass03:33
spaaz9I posted on the ubuntuforums.org, so hopefully someone gets back to me03:33
defendguinare you using that icon?03:33
punkassoh the forums are up?03:33
punkassspaaz9: well if you hang around here for a bit..i am sure someone will be able to help03:33
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punkassdefendguin: whats up?03:34
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: got the naked people?03:34
spaaz9punkass I hope so.  I mean, I'm using ubuntu right now.. Just with no GUI03:34
spaaz9Good thing I'm handy with the command line03:34
PenguinBoyso this desktop will change every month?03:34
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: yep03:35
Phr0stBytePenguinBoy: yeah - kinda saves ya the trouble, dont it?03:35
PenguinBoyneat idea!03:36
punkassdefendguin: sorry missed your question, not yet, only because i havent really had any time to work on it03:36
punkassdefendguin: i am hoping to get some time in the next couple o days03:36
LinuxJonesnight all sleepy time !!03:41
defendguinpunkass im still trying to perfect my icon drawing craft so let me know what you need03:42
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punkassdefendguin: ok will do thanks... i am still trying to perfect my python code writing :)03:42
defendguinits not a bad app03:43
defendguinmaybe could use a better UI03:43
punkassyeah it could03:43
defendguinlike some sort of saved profiles03:44
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punkassi would really like to make it an applet..but i think ill try to get the code working better first03:44
D1-does anyone know where I could possibly download the ubuntu icon set?03:44
punkasswell it does remeber essids and keys 03:44
defendguinpunkass why an applet?03:44
Phr0stByteD1: ubuntu-artwork03:44
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punkassjust easier to access, and i could have it so that it auto scans and the icon would change if a network is found03:45
punkassthen icon would change agian once you are connected03:45
defendguinthere are way too many applets as it is03:45
RandomizeOK, I'm following a HOWTO about adding truetype fonts to X, and it's not working for me.  Any suggestions?03:45
defendguinwhat about an application you run with a notification icon?03:46
jdubRandomize: computer > desktop preferences > fonts03:46
D1-Phr0stByte: thanks. do you know of an online repository that houses it though?03:46
punkassi am trying to create a python wrapper for iwlib so i dont have to deal with parsing stdout and stderr03:46
Randomizejdub:  They aren't listed there.03:46
punkassooo that might be an idea03:46
jdubRandomize: click details, then 'go to font folder'03:46
Phr0stByteD1: should be the default Ubuntu ones03:47
RandomizeJust drop 'em in there?03:47
jdubRandomize: yep :)03:47
RandomizeMmm, I choose "paste files" from the menu, then hit CTRL-R to refresh, and they still aren't there.03:48
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D1-ahh, found it. thanks a lot!03:49
Verticehey there guys03:49
Verticewondering where i could find a package list ? like packages.debian.org03:50
Verticei got my friend to install ubuntu, and i am trying to walk him through installing mplayer from the unnoficial apt-source03:50
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punkasswhat not just use totem-xine ?\03:51
Verticebecause mplayer is usefull for a great many things.03:51
Verticeand he is used to mplayer. 03:52
Verticeand he likes mplayer.03:52
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solowlri'm curious, will ubuntu come with KDE someday?03:52
punkassyou can install it now i believe03:52
Solkarislets hope not03:52
punkassbut i doubt it will ever 'come' with it03:52
Randomizejdub:  I cant paste files into that folder, apparently.03:53
solowlri like the "cleanliness" of gnome but KDE has some nice integrated apps03:53
solowlrlike kontact....03:53
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Solkarissolowlr then use a KDE based distro03:54
solowlri like Ubuntu's philosophy, if you will03:54
Dashivaor install kde03:54
Dashivait's not hard03:54
punkassRandomize: it looks like its a root folder03:55
punkassso u dont have permission as a normal user... (just my guess)03:55
PenguinBoycan you apt-get kde?03:55
punkassPenguinBoy: i believe so03:55
Randomizepunkass:  Which only brings me back to my original question.  What's the "correct" way to do this?03:55
solowlrnow that would be cool, i wonder if it would function correctly...03:56
PenguinBoysomeone said the other night they installed kde and hard some trouble with ti03:56
Dashivai dunno03:56
punkassRantomize: well according to the help file that is the way to do it...hmmm03:58
punkassRandomize :)03:58
RandomizeUnfortunately that leaves me where I am.03:58
tckPenguinBoy, its in the synaptic list anyhow03:59
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tckabout 144 mb03:59
PenguinBoytck: kewl04:00
pedro_gwhoa did an update and got a new gdm theme as well04:01
jsubl2I got cdrdao to build in ubuntu -- http://ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=1190#119004:02
jsubl2cdrdao is missing for the amd64 platform..  it is a must have for k3b04:02
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PenguinBoywhat is the correct file now to apt-get mplayer and Real Player?04:03
PenguinBoyfile name04:04
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Randomizejdub / punkass:  Got it working.  Stopping and restarting gdm didn't result in an updated fonts list like the howto stated, so I had to force the issue with xset.04:05
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Verticemplayer is one of the top 3 applications i install04:11
Verticenext to firefox and xmms.04:12
Verticeit annoys me that it can't be distributed with distributions04:12
Verticeit's just so damn usefull. 04:12
PenguinBoyhow do you apt-get it?04:12
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Verticeworking that out now.04:12
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Verticefrom there  :04:13
Verticeadd that to your sources.list : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main04:13
Verticeand theoretically apt-get update apt-get install mplayer-686 (or -k7)04:14
Verticehowever. 04:14
Verticethey just updated it yesterday to packages that aren't part of ubuntu04:14
Solkarisdont forget to yank totem-gstreamer and replace with Totem-xine also04:14
Verticeit's lovely that the packages haven't been pushed to the servers yet04:14
Verticeso i would hold off on attempting it for a day or so.04:15
daysonI have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?04:15
PenguinBoynaked people04:16
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RandomizeThe Benetton people are going to come hunt us all down! :)04:16
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cdkHi all.  I can't get my new Ubuntu to boot.  It hangs running 'usb.rc'.04:17
Solkarisyea but you cant see anything .. you see more revealing pictures in cheesy ad filled magazines04:17
RandomizeI've got to grab fgl_glxgears from outside of the default source trees, right?04:17
PenguinBoymaybe next month they will be more revelaing LOL04:17
punkassanyone here use SWIG before?04:18
punkassoops :)04:18
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daysonI have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?04:20
theprophetDoes anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?04:20
PenguinBoyartwork dayson04:20
daysonthats it?04:20
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PenguinBoypretty much04:20
daysonjust how it looks?04:20
SolkarisDayson I had like 11 files downloaded04:20
PenguinBoychange your background t the monthly wallpaper04:20
Solkarishell man run synaptic and see what it says 04:20
daysondont have it right now04:21
daysonback on windows for the moment :(04:21
PenguinBoywhy on Windows?????04:21
daysongames really04:21
RandomizeSo, I'm going to ask a question that I have asked a few times, and never really see a solid answer on.  Please don't flame.04:21
daysonwinex = money I dont have04:21
theprophetDoes anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?04:21
PenguinBoy10-15 business days04:22
theprophetOk, thanks04:22
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theprophetWhere are they sent from? :)04:22
RandomizeIf I compile a working plugin for gstreamer and can't add that filetype to Rhythmbox, does that mean I have to remove the gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox software from ubuntu and do the whole smack from scratch?04:22
PenguinBoyhey jedi04:22
PenguinBoyi would say yes....but I am no expert04:23
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PenguinBoyjeu ohmer04:24
Solkariswhat do you mean add the filetype to Rhythmbox .. IE it wont play it?04:24
PenguinBoynight guys!04:24
Solkarisnight Penguinboy04:24
RandomizeI made a working faad plugin, and can use it with gst-launch-0.8 at the console, but Rhythmbox doesnt recognize m4a/aac files as a valid filetype so won't launch them / add them to the library.04:24
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SolkarisRandomize got me on that one04:25
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RandomizeMy understanding (probably flawed) from surfing the net is that Rhythmbox 0.8.4+ are supposed to be able to dynamically recognize the new filetypes after running a gst-register, but apparently that's not happening.04:26
tom_soundblaster audigy is full of static after installing lirc04:26
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SolkarisRandomize not sure .. but if you actual pull open the Rhythmbox docs it says it plays MP3, FLAC, and OGG and thats all thats listed04:27
jasonAnybody on AMD64?04:28
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jsubl2jason, yeah04:28
jasondo you have an Nvidia card?04:28
jsubl2jason, yeah04:28
jasondo you have working drivers?04:28
daysonokay guys so if I installed last weeks vs should I bother installing todays update?04:28
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Solkarisdayson hell yea .. get the naked people04:30
daysonlol okay thanks04:30
daysonreally though is that the only good thing about the update?04:30
Solkarisdayson there where other updates04:30
RandomizeSolk:  There are posts (largely pertaining to other distros) here and there from people who have aac working.  It just looks like they had to recompile the whole shebang from CVS to make it happen.04:30
jsubl2jason -- apt-get install linux-restricted-modules- nvidia-glx...  then add nvidia to /etc/modules..  then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change nv to nvidia.  then sudo modprobe nvidia.  then control-alt-backspace to restart X04:30
Solkariscouple of gnome files and such04:30
daysonokay then I'll do that tonight04:31
daysonyou guys should me see me back on in about an hour04:31
daysonsee ya and thanks04:31
RandomizeI think I'm just going to have to dump gstreamer / rhythm and go to mplayer / xine for the time being.  It's probably just a "not ready for primetime" thing.04:31
SolkarisRandomize which would mean that the version that works is in CVS only .. so theres your answer =) bust out the compiler04:31
Solkarislater dayson04:31
RandomizeYah, rebuilding all of gstreamer, it's plugins, and rhytmbox is a bit beyond me.  As in, it makes me weep. :)04:32
RandomizeDependency after dependency after dependency ... :)04:32
SolkarisRandomize yep yep 04:32
RandomizePlus, I don't know if I'm supposed to uninstall the existing versions that came with Ubuntu, first.  And if I DO have to, they're linked to ubuntu-desktop. ;)04:33
SolkarisRandomize I left Rhythmbox in place etc just added xmms for other stuff for now and of course replaced totem-gstreamer with totem-xine04:33
Dashivayeah thta bugged me too04:33
Dashivawhy is xine-gstreamer even used when it's buggy04:33
RandomizeNormally, I'd sympathize with the people who go "d00d, switch to ogg!" but I hate having a multi-format jukebox and I have to stay with m4a for the GF's toys.04:34
SolkarisI honestly thought about yanking gstreamer totally .. but decided I wasnt going to break this install playing like I usually do04:34
SolkarisDashiva because the gnome guys want gstreamer to work .. its just the pesky reality that at this junction it doesn't, but there is always hope04:35
RandomizeOh well, I'm going to dump this install and redo it again later, so I guess I'll see if I can fix my glibc problem and try to compile all of this without starting a forest fire.04:35
Solkarisgoodluck Randomize04:35
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Solkarisif you get it to work you should put together some .debs of the finished working version04:36
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staticactivityi have a video file (divx) in which the audio and video streams are out of sync, is there an application to correct this04:37
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staticactivitysorry if this is an inappropriate post04:37
jsubl2Randomize, what platform you on x86?04:37
X0563511need some help04:37
Randomizejsubl2:  Yep.04:37
X0563511I just installed Ubuntu from the latest warty ISO...04:38
X0563511it never asked me for a root password... now i need to login as root or SU...04:38
jsubl2X0563511, sudo04:38
X0563511don't you need the root pass for that?04:39
danielsX0563511: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root04:39
jsubl2X0563511, yeah read that   what daniels posted04:39
X0563511why was the password not set int he install script though? its not like it cant be done... debian did it themselves04:40
jsubl2read the link04:40
X0563511arg. why is that though?04:40
danielsX0563511: it was intentionally removed04:40
X0563511ok one more question: (note i havent tried yet so)04:40
danielsX0563511: a) for better security (people have to guess your username, then your password), b) people have a tendency to forget their root password04:40
X0563511i elected not to connect during setup (my wireless needs ndiswrapper)04:41
X05635111: can ubuntu access NTFS by default?04:41
X05635112: what do i do to enable updates again04:41
Dashivaif i nuke ubuntu-desktop what will that do04:41
X0563511daniels: well. that DOES make sense04:41
Dashivait seems like it's a placeholder package04:41
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RandomizeI honestly don't know whether the libntfs is on the warty CD or not.04:43
jsubl2might have to check out http://ntfs.sf.net04:43
RandomizeThere's a ntfs package available from Synaptic though.04:44
X0563511trouble is im not IN ubuntu now (i need ndiswrapper for it-its sitting on my NTFS winxp drive)04:44
jsubl2the url is wrong.  not sure what it is04:44
GlubIs the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct?04:44
X0563511well... i can mount a USB storage drive right?04:44
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X0563511usually its /dev/sda1... will it probably still be that?04:45
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X0563511well... ill find it. ty for the help guys - i would have never figured out the root mystery.04:46
PizbitX0563511: Probably, don't use ubuntu yet but I thought it automounts usb storage stuff04:46
RandomizeIt does.04:46
RandomizeFirewire too, apparently, since I just smacked my iPod in.04:46
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X0563511well ill be back if i have any further trouble. thanks again04:47
X0563511<note- i noticed the battery and wifi signal icons... FINALLY!>04:47
GlubIs the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct??????????04:48
RandomizeIt's out.04:48
jasonHow do I get Nvidia drivers working on AMD64????04:48
jasonI have the nvidia-glx package but it wont load the module04:49
RandomizeOne of the many mysteries I've run into in the past week, I don't understand why they provide libfaad2 at audiocoding.com but not libfaad2-dev04:49
jsubl2jason http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=250&highlight=amd6404:49
GlubRandomize: Where do I get it then, it's not on the US server AKAICT04:50
RandomizeUK server had the ISO earlier.  Dunno about spain.04:50
RandomizeIt's indicated on the website.04:50
Glubokay It's on UK just not US yet04:51
PizbitWhen is the next proper release expected?04:52
KeybukPizbit: within the next week04:53
KeybukOctober 20th is the scheduled date04:53
PizbitAh sweet, I'll hold off till then.04:53
ushoozthey changed all the art. I liked the old default Ubuntu art04:53
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KeybukPizbit: it'd be better if you grabbed the RC and tested it, because the release next week is warty final -- and then it's a 6 month wait until hoary04:54
RandomizeYah, they just changed the default.04:54
GlubPizbit: I'm in Welly too, could burn you a copy if you like04:55
PizbitOh, getting and burning isn't a problem:)04:55
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jasonok I installed all the nvidia packages but when I try to modprobe it cant find the nvidia module05:00
jasonI am using the default kernel05:00
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tim_Can I upgrade to RC from PR?05:02
tim_or do I have to download the new iso?05:02
tim_mmmkay I'll go get the iso now05:03
RandomizeFrom what people are saying, I think Synaptic is supposed to have the (11?) packages that changed.05:03
Se7hman, rhythmbox is drivin' me nuts05:03
tim_Yah I tried running synaptic, it found 4 new packages, and all failed to Download05:03
Se7himport a dir does work quite well05:03
RandomizeSe7h:  It can smell fear.  Be careful not to look at it for more than half a second or it will strike.05:04
jasonman this would be sweet if I could get nvidia drivers working05:04
tim_wouldn't it05:04
tim_I haven't tried05:04
RandomizeSe7h: You may want to go to a (i think root) console and run "rhythmbox -d" to see the debug output.05:04
Se7hjason just synamtip them05:05
jasonvesa drivers suck05:05
jasonI did05:05
jasonand I followed the FAQ05:05
jasonit doesn't work05:05
goatboy_jason: what does `uname -r` say?05:05
Se7hno faq man05:05
Se7hgo to synamtipc05:05
Se7hand download nvidia drivers05:05
Se7hthey'r installed05:05
Se7hjust restart X05:05
Se7hand voila05:05
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jasonunfortunantly it doesn't work like that05:06
goatboy_jason: did you install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8?05:06
jasoni dunno ill check05:06
PizbitRestricted modules?05:07
ushoozjason, you also need to add nvidai to the /etc/modules file so that it loads the module at boot05:07
ushooznvidai = nvidia05:07
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jasonno I didn't goatboy_05:07
Solkarisand you need to change the driver for X that is loaded 05:07
goatboy_do so :)05:08
Solkarisand enable GLX and kill GLCore 05:08
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ushoozaye and change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 change nv to nvidia comment out GLCore and dri make sure glx is listed05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:468 (04:07:46): loading metadata for uri: file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_typefind_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:421 (04:07:46): found type text/plain05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_eos_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:316 (04:07:46): caught eos05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:544 (04:07:46): caught eos without handoff!05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (04:07:46): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl with detected type text/plain05:09
Se7h[0x8210e40]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (04:07:46): unsupported file05:09
Se7hsorry for the spam05:09
PizbitSe7h: www.pastebin.com :D05:09
Se7hrhythmbox trying to load img05:10
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jgeorgesonanyone using KDE from universe?05:10
=== Randomize grins.
RandomizeNice playlist. :)05:10
ushoozno KDE here05:11
Solkarisno KDE .. thats why I use Ubuntu05:11
ushoozI use SuSE for KDE05:12
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ushoozUbuntu = Gnome for me05:12
jgeorgesonyeah. I have one KDE app and it's butt ugly with the default themes. but for some reason the kde pref app has no configurable settings for me. :(05:12
danielsjgeorgeson: some people are, yeah05:12
danielsjgeorgeson: even if you run 'kcmshell style'?05:13
danielsjgeorgeson: (or just find the Style applet in kcontrol)05:13
GOwinhow do i specify an ntlm proxy for ubuntu so i can download from synaptic?05:13
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jgeorgesondaniels, there are no applets listed in kcontrol, that's the problem.05:14
tim_anyone know why BitTorrent won't work?  I installed the package, but when i run btdownloadgui it complains about not having libwxgtk2.3-python05:14
danielsjgeorgeson: oh, bong05:14
jgeorgesontim_, did you install libwxgtk?05:14
danielsjgeorgeson: what happens if you try running 'kcmshell style'?05:14
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tim_jgeorgeson, It's not listed in Synaptic05:14
jgeorgeson"kcmshell: WARNING: Could not find module 'style'."05:14
theantixtim_: use bittornado-gui05:15
tim_ok I'll try that05:15
jgeorgesontim_, search google for it05:15
tim_jgeorgeson, ok05:15
danielsjgeorgeson: weird05:15
theantixtim_: you can find the wxpython library in ubuntu universe, but bittornado is nicer anyhow05:15
tim_theantix, yes I am a fan of BitTornado, I'll habve to DL that seperately then?05:16
Solkarisblah both those for BT use Azureus05:16
theantixtim_: no it's in universe as well05:16
jgeorgesondaniels, the strangest part is that if i create a new user, kcontrol works fine if it's the first thing i run after loggin in. not sure what is happening to break it05:17
tim_theantix, then should I add this universe as a repository?05:17
danielsjgeorgeson: that's really weird.  i'm not sure, sorry.05:17
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jgeorgesondaniels: np, i use gnome for my desktop. it's just the one app that i use (apollon), 05:18
theantixtim_: yes -- see this faq entry http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.535934980105:18
milkman638hello everyone, does anyone want to help me configure sound05:18
Solkariserr maybe05:19
tim_theantix, ty05:19
milkman638I'll take that as a yes05:19
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milkman638At the moment I can'05:20
milkman638At the moment I can't hear anything, I remember working w/o a hastle under normal debian05:20
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X0563511Im going to rebuild my kernel in ubuntu... kernel (the one with ubuntu is there any useful changes that im going to lose?05:21
milkman638what command line options can I use to configure sound05:21
theantixmilkman638: have you checked all of the mixer settings to make sure they aren't mute or all the way down?05:21
aitrusX0563511: there are quite a few kernel updates available for ubuntu05:21
milkman638everything is turn on and all the way up05:21
X0563511aitrus: i cant go online untill i get the source... ndiswrapper needs it05:21
X0563511aitrus: i can get it through windows though... links to the files?05:22
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Dashivamilkman638, what app are you running05:22
Se7hlol this rhythmbox is nuts05:22
Se7hto load image files05:22
milkman638sound doesn't work through any app I've tried (rhythmbox, real player10, and whatever the default video player is)05:23
Dashivawhat sound card?05:23
aitrusX0563511: archive.ubuntu.org05:23
milkman638sound blaster live (emuk101)05:23
Dashivai'm running the same card atm05:23
aitrusX0563511: there are many different archives there05:23
Dashivaand pcm is up in all the mixers05:23
aitrusi have a SB Live, too05:23
GOwinhow do i set a proxy for the ubuntu installation?05:24
X0563511link is dead05:24
X0563511ubuntu or ubuntulinux05:24
PizbitDashiva: The main volume is up too right?05:24
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DashivaPizbit, i'm not the one with the problem05:25
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daysonOkay guys those naken people are over rated I was hoping for something a lot better05:25
milkman638The main volume on the volume control gui yes05:25
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tim_omg where has this Distro been all my life?!  lol, this is amazing05:26
tim_what's the best way to do a quick sound test05:26
tim_I wanna see if mine's working05:26
X0563511find an ogg file?05:26
daysonI have to get rid of those people on my boot up how do I do that?05:26
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tim_ok I'll just mount my windows partition and open a file05:26
X0563511tim_: hit backspace on the term... you should get a beep i think05:26
Dashivabut milkman638 pcm needs to be all the way up too05:26
tim_pc spkr, I believe05:27
X0563511tim_: not sure if youll get it through soundcard or the tinspeaker though05:27
tim_but that worked05:27
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milkman638geeeesh! I just notice that there are about 100 controls for the sound blaster05:27
tim_about 10005:28
tim_I have Audigy 2 ZS05:28
milkman638I'm going to turn all of them up and unmute them05:28
tim_:P there ya go05:28
ficusplanetI'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, but why is Bluefish still at 0.12 in universe when 0.13 has been out for 2 or 3 months?05:28
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bborkkDoes anyone know how to check the version of a driver?  In particular, my wireless card driver is the ipw2200 and I want to check its version against the latest release.05:28
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bborkkficusplanet: Debian packages tend to lag a bit behind.05:29
bborkkficusplanet: Presumably, this is due to the time it takes for someone to update the package, although I'm not entirely sure.05:30
ficusplanetbborkk, Thanks for the info.05:30
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calcnewest is 0.1205:31
tim_my Audigy 2 ZS works better in Linux than in Windows05:31
calcbborkk: btw does it work well?05:31
bborkkcalc: What is 'it'?05:31
calcthe ipw2200 with the linux driver05:32
calci'm thinking of buying one for my amd64 laptop if it works fairly well05:32
bborkkcalc: It works well in the sense that I'm doing this over a wireless connection.  But...05:32
bborkkcalc: There's still no RF monitor mode support and my current configuration doesn't seem to play well with ACPI, although that may not be the driver's fault.05:33
calcwhat kind of problems do you have?05:33
calcoh ok05:33
bborkkcalc: I do know that the driver reports errors occasionally when I close my laptop.05:34
ficusplanetHave any Ubuntu devs checked out Garret's new forms.css for Firefox/Mozilla?  It really improves the appearence of form controls.  I think it would be a really good/easy enchancement for the final Warty release.05:34
bborkkcalc: Some sort of DMA problem.05:34
calcbborkk: oh ok05:34
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bborkkOkay, no takers on the driver version question... how about this one: Has anyone succeeded in getting fglrx (the driver for ATI's FireGL T2 graphics card) to play nicely with ACPI?05:37
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milkman638Dashiva: I've turned up and unmuted everything including PCM and I still can't hear anything05:39
Dashivaspeakers plugged in and all that?05:40
Dashivaalso make sure the oss and alsa mixers are turned up05:40
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Dashivathere are tabs on the gnome mixer05:40
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milkman638Dashiva: yep everything is plugged in and all tabs have maxed out unmuted controls05:42
Dashivaopen a console and do a 'lsmod'05:42
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Dashivamake sure snd_emu10k1 is there05:42
Dashivayou might also try opening a root console and doing 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and retrying your apps05:42
milkman638Dashiva: snd_emuk10k1 is there, I tried modprobe snd-pcm-oss and still no sound, would I need to reboot linux after doing any of this to get it to work05:46
PizbitNah, once something is modprobed it should work05:46
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Dashivai wonder if you have one of those emu10k1 cards that really isn't05:47
Dashivai mean the logical conclusion is that there's something wrong with the drivers05:47
milkman638yeah, but I remember getting it to work using the emu10k1 driver under debian-woody05:48
Dashivathe only other thing is run one of those apps from a console and see what it spits out in the console as it runs05:49
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deweyok I forget how to unpack a .tgz file?05:50
tsengtar xvzf05:51
GOwinhelp. i can browse to internet sites but i cannot downoad synaptic packages. :(05:55
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chevrofreakhello thar05:56
milkman638Dashiva: hmmm... I just notice that I can hear music cd's just find (before I was trying an MP3, a variable bitrate one at that)05:56
chevrofreakSysInfo: Linux | AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor 401.018 MHz | Mem: 93/192M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 3G Free: 1G | Bogomips: 788.48 | Screen Res: 1024x768 | Procs: 78 |   | Up:  21:56:52 up  9:19,  2 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.02 | eth0: In: 196.36M Out: 7.67M05:56
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opi1, 2, 3 -- testing livecd :)05:57
chevrofreak4, 5, 6 works05:57
Dashivamilkman638, 10 bucks its a pcm slider somewhere then05:57
chevrofreakubuntu is da poop05:57
opiI have to say this05:58
opiUbuntu is first LiveCD that found my gf network WiFi card 05:58
chevrofreaktried knoppix?05:58
opididn't work ;p05:58
chevrofreakubuntu had drivers for every piece of hardware in my POS05:59
opiWell, I was just checking anyway, she don't want Slackware, Debian or Gentoo ;)05:59
opiseems so also for my desktop box05:59
chevrofreaki'm not a linux gy, but Ubuntu definately might change that06:00
opinice to hear that06:01
opichevrofreak, im testing Ubuntu for my friend who also want to try Linux experience06:01
bborkkyeah, we all say that.06:01
chevrofreaki have had previous linux experience though, which did help me out in installing ubuntu06:02
tvonsooooo, who came up with the new artwork?06:02
chevrofreakslackware kicked my ass06:02
punkasshey bborkk06:02
opichevrofreak, Im lucky, because Im running Linux since fey years ;)06:02
bborkkpunkass: word up.06:02
punkassbborkk: trying to figure out how to create this wrapper06:03
daysonhey do I search for a program? I think it installed but I'm not sure and I cant remember the command for it06:03
lobo_nzI just installed ubuntu, updating from the net as I went and gnome dosn't seem to load, I have naked people smiling at me and a cursor but no gnome06:03
tvoncmon, fess up...who's the dirty little hacker?06:03
bborkkpunkass: Wrapper for pyfi?06:03
punkassbborkk: found something called SWIG that will generate a python wrapper from C code06:03
bborkkpunkass: for or from C code?06:04
punkassfrom C06:04
punkasswell for i gues06:04
punkassit will allow me to import a python module that will interface with iwlib.c06:04
chevrofreakdoes apt-get upgrade upgrade the kernel too?06:04
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bborkkpunkass: Okay.  I've never used SWIG, but I hear it's what you want for that situation.  (I'd call it a wrapper for C code, but eh.)06:05
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chevrofreakwoohoo, someone else that uses that word :P06:05
chevrofreaki've watched too much Stargate06:06
punkassyeah 'for'06:06
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bborkkchevrofreak: eh?06:06
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opibborkk, ,,spiffy'' ;)06:06
bborkkpunkass: You can't call iwlib through a system call?06:07
punkassnot sure.06:07
milkman638Okay what's going on, I've double checked every audio control, I've tried play mp3's ogg's wav's and cd's, and only cd audio works06:07
punkassi had to go get the wireless tools source...as iwlib is nowhere to be found on ubuntu06:08
chevrofreakmilkman638, what audio player are you using?06:08
milkman638trying in realplayer 10, rhythmbox, and totern06:09
chevrofreaki use Rhythmbox 0.8.506:09
chevrofreakno problems yet06:09
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Pizbitcd audio probably works cause it uses a cable form the cd drive to the sound card.06:09
bborkkpunkass: Huh.  Yeah, apt-cache search iwlib doesn't turn up anything.06:09
chevrofreakyou running gnome?06:10
obanyone know what i can do to get tuxracer working?  yes, i know it's not "supported."06:10
punkassmilkman:  did u run   alsamixer ?06:10
obbut it if says /dev/sequencer not found, then there's a problem with midi.06:10
oband i use midi frequently.06:10
milkman638gnome 2.8 (the standard ubuntu 4.10 ditro)06:10
chevrofreakgnome has they ghey little speaker on the panel as a volume control06:10
chevrofreakmessed with that at all?06:11
ushoozanyone know the package to get esddsp from. Does not appear to be installed by default06:11
punkassbborkk: yeah...so i am wondering if its worth it...cuz what would the wrapper inteface with...for anyone that wanted to run pyfi, would they need the source code of wireless tools?06:11
bborkkpunkass: Hang on, I'm almost sure I saw some Debian package with iwlib.  Let me dig around.06:12
milkman638I just ran alsamixer, all the volume is up but it's using my motherboards sound not my sound blaster card, how do I change that06:12
chevrofreakdisable your onboard sound in your BIOS06:13
punkassbborkk: ok cool...tried looking on debians package search but didnt find anything06:13
chevrofreakonboard sound is the devil06:13
bborkkpunkass: Debian package search blows chunks.06:13
punkassmilkman: probably disable your onboard sound in the bios06:13
punkassbborkk: lol06:13
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kaplanfxwhy is ubuntu already at version 4.10?06:14
daysonhey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?06:14
bborkkThat's the month it came out.06:14
phlaegel2004, october06:14
tvon4.10 is a date06:14
kaplanfx4th of october?06:14
kaplanfxmakes sense06:14
obso... er.  no dice on the /dev/sequencer problem?06:15
Pizbitob: oss emulation perhaps.06:15
daysonhey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?06:15
phlaegelmilkman638: you want the asoundrc I posted on the mailing list earlier to change your default alsa device06:15
chevrofreakmilkman638, you know how to change stuff in your BIOS, dont you?\06:16
milkman638thanx phlaegel and chevro06:16
milkman638yep I do06:16
chevrofreakif you arent using an onboard device its just better to disable it all together06:16
bborkkpunkass: I think I found it.  The Debian package is libiw27.  It looks like what you really want is wireless-tools, which depends on libiw27.  Go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/wireless-tools for package details.06:18
milkman638okay now my next question is how do I get my wireless card working06:19
punkassbborkk: nice, thanks06:19
milkman638I have the driver acx_pci06:19
milkman638but no go06:19
lamontwhat sort of support does warty have for netgear wireless cards?06:20
chevrofreakany .deb packages for it milkman638?06:20
punkassbborkk: ah so by default ubuntu installs libiw27 but not libiw-dev06:20
milkman638nope I just no that acx_pci exists in ubuntu06:21
obtuxracer works now.  just no sound.06:21
bborkkpunkass: Yeah, that's what I remember... we need libiw-dev.  I even installed it the other day when we were discussing this.  C'mon neurons, you can do better than this.06:22
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obi should give up and install linspire06:23
chevrofreakno ap-get install acx_pci so thats the extent of my solution :P06:23
milkman638thanks anyway06:23
kaplanfxmilkman638: do you have wireless-tools06:23
chevrofreaki'm such a n00b06:23
kaplanfxmilkman638: did you check to see if the module is being loaded, and what the interface is named?06:24
milkman638kaplanfx: the module is loaded, how do I check the interface name06:24
kaplanfxit should be in your syslog or when you loaded the module it should maybe have said06:25
kaplanfxI dunno about wireless specifically06:25
kaplanfxbut I think iwconfig is the equiv to ifconfig06:25
kaplanfxso if you know the interface you can prob iwconfig up wlan006:26
kaplanfxor something similar06:26
Se7humount: /media/floppy0: device is busy06:26
Se7humount: /media/floppy0: device is busy06:26
kaplanfxyou'll need to be root06:26
Se7hbusy with what?06:26
kaplanfxer nm in ubuntu you'll need to use sudo06:26
punkasssudo ifup wlan0   should do it06:26
kaplanfxSe7h: are you in the dir?06:26
Se7hthats the odd thing06:26
punkassor  sudo ifup eth1  whatever your device is06:26
kaplanfxmilkman638: yeah thats assuming your device is wlan0 or eth106:27
kaplanfxyou need to know the device name06:27
bborkkYou can check interfaces with ifconfig -a06:27
punkasswill it get added to the interfaces file tho?06:27
punkassComputer > System Config > Networking06:28
punkasswill allow you to add a new network interface06:28
bborkkYou can add interfaces from there, but we've trouble controlling them from there.06:29
kaplanfxbborkk: heh cool, I never knew about that06:29
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kaplanfxI've never had a problem, so I've never really looked at the docs06:29
bborkkyeah, that's the only reason i learn anything.  :)06:30
Se7hhow can i run that "first rhythmbox use" window to search for music files??06:30
bborkkit will be a sad day when things are easy to use.06:30
kaplanfxbborkk: then things will break, and the abstraction layer will be so deep there will be no way to fix things06:31
Se7hdoes anyone knows?06:31
bborkki love it.06:31
obSe7h: buy a mac.06:31
bborkkSe7h: hang on a sec.06:31
obshould fix it.06:31
kaplanfxthats what I like about GNU/Linux, some things break, some things are tough to use, but there is always a solution, and most of the time the os gives you some feedback so you know where to start06:31
kaplanfxin windows things fail and theres no way to fix them, most of the time you don't even know what went wrong06:32
joemSe7h, unset the first time flag via gconf06:32
obi almost always know what goes wrong with windows.06:32
obbut i usually cause the problem in the first place.06:32
bborkkOne of my friends put forth a compelling argument to use Windows...06:32
Se7hjoem where's that?06:32
obthen again, i'm running a heavily kludged version of windows.  it should be its on distro.06:32
bborkkHe liked Windows because the frequent crashes force him to stop working and take a break.06:33
milkman638okay well to be honest I've already tried setting up the wireless card and it exists in my interfaces file, but iwconfig won't work on it06:33
punkassbborkk: haha06:33
bborkkThat's one argument I can't win.06:33
bborkkmilkman638: What happens?06:33
obi stripped wmp, oe, ie (left the core), windows scripting host, and a lot of services out of my windows iso.  works fine for me.06:34
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Se7hdam it06:34
Se7him about to punch iut06:34
obstreamlined OOo, firefox, thunderbird, and winamp.06:35
milkman638bborkk: iwconfig up wlan0 returns " Error: unrecognized wireless request"06:35
Se7h[0x8210e78]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (05:34:04): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/Justin%20Timberlake/senorita_300.asx with detected type text/plain06:35
Se7h[0x8210e78]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (05:34:04): unsupported file06:35
bborkkmilkman638: Did you try "sudo ifup wlan0"?06:35
milkman638bborkk: ifconfig up wlan0 returns "wlan0: Unknown host"06:35
chevrofreakif you do Ctrl+O and try to import your home directory, what does it do?06:36
Se7hand rythm keeps "search" for music files06:36
Se7htime to sleep06:36
Se7htake care06:36
bborkkmilkman638: Type: "cat /etc/network/interfaces"06:36
bborkkmilkman638: What comes up?06:37
Se7hjust one more thing06:37
Se7hwhat can i do about the "busy" device ?06:37
bborkkLeave it alone... it's busy.06:37
Se7hfor hours ?06:37
chevrofreakis there a disk in it?06:38
Se7hits a floppy06:38
joembusy device?06:38
milkman638bborkk: it returns info on the file and the loopback device and my lan connection (eth0)06:38
punkassunmount -l /dev/fd0  should do it06:38
Se7hi just mounted it06:38
Se7hto copy a file to it06:38
Se7hnow i cant umount06:38
bborkkmilkman638: Okay, then your wireless device isn't listed, right?06:38
punkassSe7h: -l     Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesys-06:39
punkass              tem as soon as it is not busy anymore.  06:39
milkman638bborkk: correct06:39
bborkkmilkman638: Okay, go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking06:39
chevrofreakok my turn for a question06:40
Se7hpunkass thanks06:40
Se7hit worked06:40
chevrofreakhow the hell do i configure my xvncserver?06:40
Se7hnow, how do i format it in ext2 ?06:40
Se7hfor hdd06:40
Se7hwhat about a floppy ?06:40
joemmkfs.ext2 /dev/fdx06:40
punkassmk2fs ext2 /dev/fd0 ?06:40
milkman638bborkk: wow, that was easy06:41
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Se7hmke2fs: bad blocks count - /dev/fd006:41
milkman638bborkk: either your a genius or I'm a complete idiot06:41
daysonokay I have a question about my boot up graphical thing06:41
bborkkmilkman638: No comment.  :)06:42
milkman638I'm leaning towards the latter06:42
daysonhow do I change it so that the naked people do show up?06:42
joemSe7h, tried just using the gnome floppy tool06:42
punkassSe7h: mkfs06:42
joemdayson, close your eyes :)06:42
bborkkmilkman638: Your wireless device should show up in the interfaces file now.  06:42
daysonerr thats not much help06:42
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Se7hjoem lol...i forget gnome apps06:43
joemchange the background, splash image and gdm theme06:43
joemmake sure to choose non naked people options06:43
daysonis there another one I could download some where?06:43
bborkkmilkman638: sudo ifup wlan0 should also work now.  Of course, you can also try it from the GUI dialog you were just in, but that doesn't always work for me.06:43
daysonits not the login background image I fixed that one its the thing that comes up when you are logging in and its loading everything right after you put in your password06:44
daysonhow do I change that/06:44
joemjust replace it with another splash image, art.gnome.org has lots of them06:44
bborkkpunkass: Any progress with libiw-dev?  Any documentation on system calls iwlib provides?06:44
joemthere are probably other ones already installed as well06:44
punkassbborkk: still trying to use this swig to generate a wrapper06:45
bborkkpunkass: Any particular reason to use SWIG over system calls?06:45
punkassjust thought it would be a nicer implentation..to be able just to import a python module06:46
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milkman638goodnight or morning everyone I'm signing off06:46
punkassare you just talkin about calling the C functions from within python script?06:47
joemdayson, /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image06:47
joemgconf key06:47
bborkkpunkass: Yeah, I just figured that perhaps iwlib had a command line interface.06:47
tckgone to deliver the rounds ;)06:47
punkassah..i just assumed it was iwconfig etc..06:48
bborkkI don't know for sure.06:48
chevrofreakapt-get install freeporn06:48
lobo_nzIs there an easyway to reconfigure my screen resolution without playing with my XF86Config file?06:49
Dashivashould be under Computer - System Config - Screen REsolution in the menu06:49
lobo_nzHmm - it only gives me a 640x480 option06:50
chevrofreakmaybe you need to install a display or raphic driver06:50
Dashivamight have an unsupported vid card06:50
punkassi am sure this question has been asked a million times, but why did they revert back to firefox 9.306:50
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daysonjoem: hey where is this file that I can edit?06:51
PizbitPR release runs stable here:)06:51
joemits a gconf setting06:51
PizbitMore esecure too.06:51
joemuse gconf-editor06:51
daysonwhere is it?06:51
Pizbitjoem: Are they going to go back to 1.0 any time soon?06:52
joemPizbit, dunno, probably when the official release is made and if it has no ugly bugs06:53
joemwhich I doubt it would06:53
lobo_nzMy Graphics card was detected correctly GeForce4 MX 440, but my monitror is generic, I guess its too old06:53
PizbitAhh, I'll have to keep with my own install of it then.06:53
Dashivalobo_nz, that would be it06:53
Skif_hooray, my cds are ripping properly now06:53
Springahwhat version of xfree does the latest stable ubuntu come with?06:53
punkassjoem: thanks...just curious06:54
joemdunno much more about it, don't use firefox06:54
joembut i guess lots of users were having issues06:54
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daysondamnit I still have the naked people there even after all that stuff was changed06:56
daysoneven if its for two seconds its two to many06:56
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Skif_they are not ugly naked people06:57
joemturn off the splash screen if you can't change it then06:57
Skif_but I liked the previous look06:57
daysonI did that but I'm talking about the loading part not the splash screen06:57
joemthat is the splash screen06:58
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bborkkHere's a can of worms: what's really at stake when choosing between GNOME and KDE?06:59
chevrofreakappearance :P06:59
Skif_or, at least to hear some people talk, you'd think so07:00
chevrofreakKDE has more programs too i think07:00
obwidget sets, applications, the overall cohesiveness of the desktop.07:00
kalinKDE is ugly07:00
obkde can be made very nice.07:00
obvis a vis: slax.07:00
Dashivait was always a mac vs windows kindof thing for me07:00
Dashivakde reminds me too much of windows07:00
obi typically prefer kde.  ubuntu makes gnome tolerable.07:00
Pizbitbborkk: KDE is also a total pain to configure to your tastes.07:00
kalinKDE is appropriate for people who called htemselves "power users" on windows07:01
obi hate GTK with a passion.07:01
obso KDE is a logical choice07:01
kalinnot something that you want to put a regular person in front of07:01
bborkkob: Why?07:01
obbecause it's slow and clunky.07:01
Dashivaand qt isn't07:01
obQT3?  no.07:01
tvonheh, youre on crack07:01
Pizbitob: That's all a matter of opinion:)07:01
obit's ironic that GTK for windows redraws faster than on linux.07:02
bborkkchevrofreak: Word.07:02
obi'm not trolling here.  i prefer gnome apps by and large.  i just dislike the state of gtk.07:02
bborkkIs there anyway to make it faster?07:02
obi think it's ludicrous that i should have choppy window resizing on a P4.07:02
chevrofreaka lot of that has to do with the graphics card i think07:03
kalinhas this channel already discussed the default wallpaper and GDM theme that came out today?07:03
bborkkWhat license is QT under these days?07:03
joemI don't have choppy windowresizing on a p407:03
kalinit does seem to vary widely with X support for the chip07:03
joemkalin, yes, it has been discussed all over the place07:03
obbborkk: if i cared about licensing enough to allow it to affect my choice in desktop managers, i'd be using userlinux and kissing perens' ass.07:04
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kalinthe new XDamage extension in Xorg is supposed to clean up the 'choppiness'07:04
bborkkob: Heh.07:04
jasonhow do I get DivX for ubuntu?07:04
joemread the wiki07:04
kalinjoem: I hope the consensus was to move away from the Benneton look;07:04
chevrofreaki had tocomment and uncomment some lines in the apt thingy to get it to download some stuff07:05
obi almost had a heart attack when i rebooted after the upgrade today.07:05
chevrofreakmaybe you'll need to as well07:05
bborkkkalin: I call it pastel death.  It's sad, really.07:05
ob"half naked people on my desktop!"07:05
ob"and i didn't put them there this time!"07:05
kalinob: my girlfriend was like, what's this all about?07:05
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jasondoes anybody know how to get divx working?07:05
bborkkOh, I didn't see this.07:05
obmy wife still doesn't believe that ubuntu did it automatically.07:05
bborkkob: Okay, so how do I get this?07:06
theantixjason: check the wiki07:06
obget what?07:06
chevrofreaki want to see these halfnaked people07:06
bborkkI don't have half-naked people on my desktop.07:06
obapt-get upgrade and reboot.07:06
obor just ctrl+alt+bkspace07:06
bborkkAnd how do I get rid of it once I decide it's horrid?07:06
obcomputer -> system something -> desktop background07:07
chevrofreakscreenshot! :P07:07
kalintheantix: nice reivew of ubuntu on k5 btw.07:07
obwhen gecko gets added as a kpart to konqueror, i'll probably go back to kde.07:08
obi'll hack at it until it works on ubuntu, though.07:08
jasonI checked the wiki07:08
jasonI cant find anything about divx07:08
theantixkalin: thanks :-)07:09
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joemjason, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=divx07:09
chevrofreaki dont believe him about the half naked people :P07:10
bborkkHe just wants me to reboot.07:10
chevrofreaki upgraded earlier but no reboot yet07:10
chevrofreaki suppose i could reboot...07:10
obi swear.07:11
bborkkHe's trying to trick us again.07:11
obthere's like.. a hug orgy with a black dude, a white chick, and a black chick.07:11
chevrofreakshow us a screenshot first07:11
obor maybe the dude is white.07:12
obgod that white girl is hot07:12
joemob, looks white to me :)07:12
obhah, fuckers!07:12
obwho's laughing now!07:12
bborkkWhat the hell happened?  Who is smoking crack?07:12
tvonoh, heh, the new artwork?07:12
chevrofreaki dont want it though07:12
obyou can change it.07:12
tvonplanet.gnome.org has screenies07:13
chevrofreaki have a picture of my favorite pistol as my background07:13
obi did, immediately after rebooting.07:13
obthere's a GREAT little gradient logo thing that looks like tanned leather.07:13
obit matches the human theme perfectly.07:13
tvonThats your wallpaper?07:14
obis that pistol for anything legal?07:14
theantixby the way, sabdfl explained the thinking behind the theme: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005889.html07:14
tvonIs that for shooting, like in tournaments and whatnot?07:14
tvonlooks like one of them there guns07:14
tvonyes, competitive is the word I was looking for07:14
chevrofreakyeah its a bullseye and sillouhette (sp?) type gun07:15
bborkkWhat caliber?07:15
ob"My sincere 07:15
obapologies if that caught anyone off guards, especially if it came at an 07:15
obawkward moment.07:15
oblike my wife walking in.07:15
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bborkkDude, what is geekdom coming to?07:15
chevrofreakthe way you guys reacted to that one, my others might scare the shit out of you :P07:16
obit's weird.07:16
obi see all these excellent compact distros coming out that revolve around gnome.07:16
obi KNOW it's possible with kde.  someone just needs to do it.07:16
obbecause i'm not smart enough to roll my own07:16
oband as a half-assed member of the linux community, i demand action!07:16
bborkkEh.  I have friends from Idaho and New Hampshire.07:16
tvonob: heh07:17
theantixob, I hear MEPIS is a good kde-oriented distro, if you like that sort of thing07:17
bborkkob: Knoppix had KDE as default, right?07:17
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obknoppix is bloated.07:17
chevrofreakNorinko MAK-90 AK4707:17
bborkkWell, yeah.07:17
oblike seven hundred and ten text editor.07:17
obmepis looked neat.07:18
tvonchevrofreak: haha, you are a peculiar human being07:18
jasonok how do I install the w32codecs package on the AMD64 build of ubuntu?07:18
lhbdid a apt-get update just now07:18
lhbawesome new look07:18
bborkkJust be sure to use the 'out of my cold dead hands' line with Linux, too.  :)07:18
theantixjason: that might not be an easy proposition :-/07:19
chevrofreaki say that about windows 2000 :P07:19
tvondammit, what the hell is wrong with gstreamer?  I can never get video to work07:19
joemvideo doesn't work so hot in gstreamer07:19
jasonwhy not?07:19
joemespecially if you are using the esd audio sink07:19
tvonusing alsa...I get sound fine in the movie07:20
obyou know.07:20
obi should be a rebel and install kde, and then remove all vestiges of gnome.07:20
bborkktotem-xine supports more codecs, but at the expense of selling your soul (or something).07:20
obi'll give ubuntu a real stress test.07:20
joemdoes ubuntu support kde outside of universe yet?07:20
chevrofreakit would probably frighten you all to find out i have a concealed weapons permit wouldnt it07:21
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joemI don't think it would count as an ubuntu stress test then 07:21
bborkkBetter than waving it around shouting at people.07:21
tvonheh, just keep it concealed :)07:21
tvonjoem: I dont think ubuntu is ever going to support KDE outside of universe07:22
aitruscould we please steer the conversation back on topic.  there aren't any handguns in ubuntu  =)07:22
jg__daniels: you around?07:22
danielsjg__: 'sup?07:22
danielsjust walked back in the door -- good timing07:22
bborkkaitrus: Okay, but the parallels between the 2nd amendment and what Linux is going through are stunning.07:23
jg__keithp figured out that we may be able to give you a toll free number to call (when we're hosting the call).07:23
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joemtvon, no, it will07:24
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RandomizeOK, even when I build from source the bloody thing refuses to play aac files.07:24
tvonjoem: oh?07:24
chevrofreaktoo bad Media Player Classic isnt made for lunix07:24
obmpc is great.07:24
theantixRandomize: it seems to play .ogg files just fine though :-)07:25
RandomizeTheantix:  Come re-encode my entire library and hack my GF's iPod to play the oggs, and that'll interest me. :)07:25
PizbitHrm, the former of those two sounds simple:)07:25
chevrofreaki dig WMA07:26
RandomizeIncidentally, even the people in #rhythmbox are telling me it shouldn't be necessary to recompile.07:26
danielsjg__: oh, cool07:26
danielsjg__: .au toll-free?07:26
theantixRandomize: can you not re-enc to mp3?  that should play on the ipod and in rhythmbox (with the gstreamer mp3 bit of course)07:26
RandomizeSo I'm like totally beflummoxed. :)07:26
jg__daniels: yup.07:27
danielsjg__: because I have a .au toll-free number here, but the rates on that are something like 25c/min, instead of 1c/min07:27
RandomizeTheantrix:  I'd sooner scrape my eyeballs out with dead squirrels.07:27
jg__daniels: worth a try.07:27
danielsjg__: that would be totally ill :)07:27
Randomize"Reencode your library so you can move to linux" = not gonna happen for me. :)07:27
DashivaRandomize, xmms plays aac07:27
Dashivaso does zinf...gstreamer...xine...mplayer07:27
theantixRandomize: hey, you're the one that ripped into an apple format, not me :-)07:27
RandomizeI was trying to stay "true" to ubuntu's defaults, Dash.07:27
RandomizeAnd gstreamer is playing my aacs just fine.07:27
jg__daniels: don't talk about ill...  reminds me of why I'm awake at 1:30AM EDT.07:27
RandomizeIt's Rhythmbox that doesn't want to play them.07:28
Dashivafirst thing i do is go straight to xmms07:28
danielsjg__: isn't everyone awake at 1:30am in their timezone?07:28
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jg__daniels: not when you have kids that go to school....07:28
RandomizeWell, there's not much point in my testing ubuntu if I'm just going to ignore what they give me by default and not try to make it work.07:28
danielsjg__: i have a little sister that goes to school, and I'm often seconded for that duty07:28
danielsjg__: sleep is for the daytime :)07:28
chevrofreakgood god07:29
jg__daniels: so I'm up uber late for me on (legal) controlled substances.....  Another kidney stone....07:29
RandomizeOh, and aac isn't "an apple format."07:29
chevrofreaki wish we had a Sonic here =007:29
chevrofreakthat burger looks great!07:29
danielsjg__: oh wow, that's no good :( i thought they were all gone?07:30
jg__nah, the cat scan last month showed another big one, now on its way out (I hope).07:30
chevrofreakkidney stones suck07:30
jg__also alot of tiny ones: they need to try to prevent them from getting big.07:30
jg__at least I don't think I've got other substantial ones queued up after this one, according to today's scan.07:31
chevrofreaknothing like taking a painful piss and hearing that "tink" against the back of a urinal though :P07:31
jg__chevrofreak: they sure do.07:31
danielsjg__: wow.  good luck with it.07:32
chevrofreakmy family has a lot of kidney stone issues07:32
chevrofreaki'm only 22 and i've already had 207:32
jg__chevrofreak: yeah, the sound of true relief (though they want me to catch them if I can).07:32
jg__chevrofreak: I'm 50, and this is #4.07:32
chevrofreaki just hope i never get one thats big enough to REALLY hurt07:33
chevrofreakmy grandpa had to have surgery to remove some07:34
chevrofreaki think they took 6 out at once07:34
jg__chevrofreak: this one really hurts; I had to up my pain meds.07:34
chevrofreakall about the size of a bb07:34
jg__chevrofreak: that's not good.07:34
jg__bb size you can pass; much larger, and it is a real problem.07:34
chevrofreakfirst time i ever felt the pain of a kidney stone, i didnt know wtf it was07:34
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jg__these days, there is lithotripsy.07:34
chevrofreakits odd to feel pain inside your body like that07:34
Dashivajust be glad you live in the 21st century07:35
jg__Dashiva: damn straight.07:35
jg__Dashiva: drugs *good*07:35
chevrofreaki saw on TV once the kind of shit they used to use to get them out07:36
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chevrofreakjesus that looked more painful than the stone itself07:36
Dashivamanual removal of stones with no anesthesia...bad07:36
chevrofreaknothing like shoving a miniature boat anchor up your wang07:36
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jg__chevrofreak: good luck with yours: not good you have them in the family, and at such a young age...07:38
joemI can't imagine what that is like07:39
chevrofreakbuddy just showed me07:39
jg__joem: enough allready...07:40
danielsmaybe we should possibly move the urology discussion, fascinating as it is :)07:41
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RandomizeSpeaking of things which can ruin your health ... mmmm ... goldfish, candy corn, and bourbon.  :)07:41
calcdaniels: heh07:42
chevrofreaknow i want a beer07:42
Dashivain that order?07:42
bborkkAre we still talking about kidneys?07:42
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chevrofreakonly one Newcastle left thogh :/07:42
Dashivayeah...if we're still talking about bourbon07:42
bob2lets get back to complaining about the new theme.07:42
Dashivai was going to load it on my mother's computer07:42
chevrofreakok, my complaint07:42
chevrofreaknot enough nudity!07:43
RandomizeIt wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that fey looking guy standing between the two cute chicks. ;P07:43
Dashivanot going to happen now because of that07:43
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chevrofreakhi Ryan :P07:43
danielsDashiva: as I understand it, that background is not actually the default07:43
Deathwindhello roger07:43
bborkkDo we really need any more GAP in our lives?07:43
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RandomizeThey aren't wearing beige, so it's not GAP. :P07:43
bob2wow, I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious07:43
RandomizeCraaazy ..... coooool! :)07:43
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Jaraminhi everyone... does anyone here knows if it's possible to disallow certain characters from being part of a file name in Nautilus?07:44
Deathwindjust making sure you aren't destroying the linux users' sanity :P07:44
bborkkbob2: Don't tempt fate.  :)07:44
chevrofreakHA HA!07:44
RandomizeDeathwind:  When did they get upgraded with that?07:44
bob2Jaramin: why?07:44
Dashivabob2, it was...i'm just bored07:44
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DeathwindRandomize, it's a precious rare commodity amongst us, all the more reason to check07:45
chevrofreakRyan, i already showed them part of my gun collection07:46
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RandomizeAh.  "rare" = "essentially absent".  I understand. :)07:46
chevrofreakseemed to frighten them a wee bit :P07:46
gouhadoquick question: is it at all possible to install ubuntu from the iso without burning it to a cd?07:46
bob2gouhado: you could pxe boot it07:46
gouhadowhat is that exactly07:46
bborkkWhat's pxe?07:46
DeathwindI was thinking more along the lines of your manic-depressive bouts with samba and apt, but that too07:46
Jaraminbob2: well, to make a long story short, I'm making a Nautilus script that needs to process multiple files, which might have spaces in them. The only way I've found was to wrap each file name in quotes in the script, but then, if the filename actually contains a quote, the script will fail...07:47
chevrofreaksamba is kicking my ass07:47
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chevrofreakand i cant figure out how the hell i get xvncserver to work07:48
joemJaramin, why don't you just get rid of the spaces while inside of the script07:48
gouhadobob2 id be installing ubuntu from an xp pro box by the way, but im planning on having ubuntu take over everything07:49
joemthats just me probably, I hate spaces07:49
Deathwindchevrofreak, look at x0rfbserver (package should be rfb), it's probably more along the lines of what you're expecting07:49
Pizbitjoem: What do you use instead?07:49
Deathwindinstead of creating and exporting a virtual X11 server, it exports the current display over VNC07:49
theantixJaramin: can a file legally have quotes in it?07:50
joemunderscores and hyphens 07:50
joemdepending on the name07:50
Jaraminjoem: can't because the spaces are actually the separators of the file names that Nautilus passes to the script :(07:50
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PizbitPeople who use .s are insane, makes it unreadable.07:50
joemnew_artist-track_name.ogg or something like that07:51
joemno need for a bunch of spaces07:51
danielsum, for the script name, just wrap it in ""07:51
danielsso you call the script as ./foo "bar baz quux" "another file"07:52
chevrofreaki'll have to install it the hard way :P07:52
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danielsthat way, $1 is "bar baz quux", and $2 is "another file" (no quotes)07:52
theantixJaramin: nautilus should pass the file seperators as a new line07:52
cleedaniels: you whore. jabber.07:52
Randomize"[0x821e720]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (00:31:46): ignoring file file:///home/adam/Music/test.m4a with detected type video/quicktime"07:53
RandomizeGah, sorry.07:53
gouhadoso theres no way for me to install ubuntu over my xp pro installation without burning to a cd?07:53
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bborkkgouhado: You could try a net install.07:54
Jaramintheantix: you're right, my bad, but can't separate them with grp then, have to use awk, and I need the file names to be in an array accessible from bash... it's getting a little hard for me :P07:54
bborkkgouhado: You only need a 3.5" diskette for that, I think.07:55
theantixjaramin: I write my nautilus scripts with python :-)07:55
joemJaramin, what is the purpose of the script?07:55
gouhadobborkk: is there a page that explains the net install process07:55
bborkkgouhado: Last time I checked, there wasn't such a page, just a place holder for one.07:56
Jaramintheantix: argh, another language, spare me :P07:56
bborkkgouhado: However, I think it's just a standard Debian net install.07:56
theantixJaramin: in python, you just split the nautilus env variable into a list, and pop the files off until it's empty -- very slick07:57
Jaraminjoem: to get the selected files and sudo move them to the trash bin07:57
bborkkyeah, python should really be the standard language for shells.07:58
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Jaramintheantix: you make it sound easy, but I'm just starting linux... trying to ease the transition from Windows with scripts08:01
bborkkJaramin: Python is a great way to do that.08:01
PizbitPython isn't that hard to pickup.08:01
PizbitFairly simple really.08:01
theantixJaramin: use whatever language you feel most comfortable in -- I'm just saying I use python08:01
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bborkkJaramin: That's how I made the transition.08:02
Jaramintheantix: well, I guess I'll have a look then!08:02
Pizbit525MiB for the release candiate eh? Small:)08:02
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punkassbborkk: well i am trying ctypes now..allow one to call C libraries directly from python08:05
bborkkpunkass: Never heard of it... is it a Python module?  What happened to SWIG?08:06
punkassi was in the python room, and a couple people said to stay away from it as its a headache and creates flaky wrappers08:06
punkasssaid to try ctypes or pyrex08:06
cleemmm. pyrex.08:07
punkassclee: you used it before?08:07
cleepunkass: no. but another KDE hacker did, and liked it.08:07
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joolzaaaaaah my eyes!!!08:08
bborkkpunkass: Which python room?08:08
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joolzjesus, it's like i wake up in the gym08:08
bborkkjoolz: Ubuntu means "Gap" in Swahili.08:09
punkassi am wondering if iwlib gives all the functions we need tho08:09
joolzJust saw the mail on annouce about Ubuntu 4.1008:09
bborkkpunkass: What doesn't it have you think?08:10
joolzIf I do my daily apt-get update && dist-upgrade, will I be on 4.10 automagically?08:10
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bborkkjoolz: As far as I understand it.08:10
punkasswell i am assuming all the calls are listed in iwlib.h08:10
joolzbborkk: great, thanks!08:10
punkassand there doesnt seem to be any scan calls08:11
GOwinhow do i turn my ubuntu box into a dialin server? 08:13
bborkkI thought I saw some scan functionality listed on the webpage you pointed me to.08:14
punkassbborkk: yeah the thing is each item 'iwconfig' 'iwlist'  has its own .c and .h files08:16
punkasswhich arent included in the dev package only iwlib.h is08:16
punkassi also may have no idea what i am doing :)08:16
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bborkkpunkass: I'm with you there.08:18
bborkkpunkass: Looks like there is also a #pyrex channel.08:19
punkasscool, havent tryed pyrex yet08:19
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punkassbborkk: just got mail from a guy who has written a python wrapper for iwtools08:23
bborkkpunkass: A million monkeys on a million typewriters...08:23
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RuffianSoldierI think its time i move on from the Ubuntu world.  I think I will explore Gentoo next.  It was a great Distro, goodnight all!08:34
jasonhas anybody got cedega to work on ubuntu AMD64?08:34
calcdaniels: is ubuntu hoary going to be using rhgb?08:35
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jasonwhen will we see betas of hoary?08:36
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jasonI want x.org08:36
danielscalc: no08:36
calcdaniels: ok08:36
calcdaniels: something else developed in house?08:37
danielscalc: yeah, there are pages on usplash on the wiki08:37
jasonDoes anybody have cedega?08:38
danielsbasically I think urgb is totally the wrong way to go, because it ignores the fact that gdm is started way too late in the game, and also, X is just way, way too heavy for that sort of thing08:38
danielsclient-side, it's *big*.08:38
danielsnot for a full-fledged window system, but for a bootsplash? it's huge08:39
calcdaniels: cool :)08:39
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Mithrandirjason: you can see the hoary release schedule on the wiki.08:40
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deFryskdoes anyone know of probs with .Xauthority after installing k3b and how to solve it ?08:40
danielsdeFrysk: no, but there are problems with .ICEauthority08:40
deFryskdaniels, could be that was what I had probs with08:41
deFryskdaniels, is there a workaround ?08:41
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danielsdeFrysk: sure -- touch .ICEauthority before you run sudo k3bsetup08:41
danielsif you have a stray root-owned .ICEauthority hanging around, delete it with sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority08:42
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deFryskdaniels, wonderfull It is the only issue I have with ubuntu 08:43
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liranhey all08:43
liranI want to know why my ubuntu can`t see the windows partations ?08:44
RandomizeIf they are NTFS, libntfs isn't installed by default.08:44
RandomizeBut it's in Synaptic.08:44
liranso what shell i do?08:44
liranand they are NTFS08:44
RandomizeGo into synaptic, search for libntfs, install it, and mount the partitions.08:45
liranok just a sec08:45
liranHow i mount them ?08:46
raphaFuck. I just overslepped. By two hours.08:46
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bborkkThat's okay... I'm undersleeping as we speak.08:47
nugegood thing you checked up with irc before getting dressed08:47
raphaDon't do it, I did it yesterday and it's the reason I overslepped now.08:47
bborkkheh.  i like to think of everyone on irc as naked. heh.08:47
nugebborkk, eek 08:47
liranmates i installed a libntfs and i want to see my windows partations how i do that?08:48
raphanuge: Hey man! I already called at work telling them I overslepped; can at least check my Ubuntu upgrade then :)08:48
bborkkback to the naked people, i see.08:48
raphaAnyhow, they're downloaded so I can go offline08:48
liranmates ?? :(08:48
raphaSee you guys after noon, or whenever08:49
liranany one can please help me with this?08:49
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danielsSkif_: yo!08:51
liranplease help me!!!!!!!!!!08:51
bborkkliran: Can't help you, friend.08:52
liranok :|08:52
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ubergooberI just gave it a shot and I had problems using existing ext3 partitions. It said "strange ext2 layout" then all I could do was skip that partition.08:52
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Ezahnhi all08:53
joemliran, did you try mounting the drive?08:53
jasonhow can I install i386 packages on an AMD64 install?08:53
joemmaking sure the ntfs module is loaded first08:53
ubergooberThis is in partition verification. SWAP an FAT32 work ok.08:53
EzahnI installed Ubuntu tonight08:53
EzahnI like it and its philosophy VERY much08:53
bborkkYou are now one of the pod people.08:53
jasonhow can I install i386 packages on an AMD64 install?08:54
Mithrandirjason: you can't do it.08:54
EzahnBut I have one BIG problem now08:54
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joemjason, of somebody knows they will help08:54
EzahnMy Ethernet card (on a laptop) won't work08:54
TreenaksEzahn: what kind of ethernet card?08:54
joemno need to ask the same q every 20 seconds08:54
Ezahnand the gnome network configuration hangs when trying to activate it08:55
Mithrandirjason: why do you want to do that?08:55
jasonI want to install Cedega08:55
EzahnTreenaks: I think it's an Intel one08:55
fabbione *art-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted?                       [fail] 08:55
TreenaksEzahn: have you looked at dmesg output?08:55
jasonthen I can ditch windows all together08:55
joembut you either need to find a package compiled for x86_64 or compile it locally08:55
jasonwell it isnt opensource08:55
Ezahn...mmmhhhh... I'm not sure I know wht dmesgis, sorry. I'm really new to linux.08:55
Ezahndmesg, sorry again08:56
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TreenaksEzahn: ok.. you have to open a terminal window08:56
jasonisnt the amd64 system multi-lib?08:56
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TreenaksEzahn: then type 'dmesg'08:56
Ezahnin the installation process it said that dhcp config was ok08:56
Mithrandirjason: it's multilib, but not multiarch.08:56
bborkkEzahn: How do you know it isn't working?08:56
EzahnI'm not on my box now, but tell me and I'll try08:56
Mithrandirjason: you might be able to download a .tar.gz off transgaming and having a go with ia32-libs installed.08:57
Ezahnbbork: well, I have a cable connection, fiber optic, and I'm not on the internet08:57
punkassEzahn: you could try Computer > System Config > Networking  and try adding a device08:57
Ezahnbesides, the Network configuration says the card is not activated08:57
jasonso a binary in a tar.gz?08:57
bborkkEzahn: What network configuration?08:57
Ezahnthe gnome config application08:58
punkassEzahn: ah..and what happens when u try to activate it?08:58
EzahnNetwork tools or something08:58
iainmis there an official-ish canonical statement on the new artwork furore that's sprung up on the list?08:58
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Mithrandirjason: yeah, that might work.  I don't have access to any transgaming stuff (and I don't feel comfortable around it -- non-free and everything), so it might not work.08:59
Ezahnwell, if I try to activate it... the check box says it's activated for a couple of seconds, then switch back to deactivated status08:59
Mithrandiriainm: there's a reply from Mark in the thread.08:59
bborkkiainm: Gap meets Linux.08:59
Ezahnand after a couple of tries... the gnome application hangs08:59
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jasonwhats with the new GDM splash? my mom almost shit a brick when she seen half-naked people on the screen ;)08:59
bborkkAren't they really naked half-people?09:00
AndyFitzbborkk is correct09:00
joemjason, read the list etc..its been gone over plenty in here09:00
punkassEzahn: open a terminal any type: sudo ifup eth009:00
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iainmMithrandir, aha. I missed that one when I was trawling the archives.09:01
punkassso u can see what the problem is09:01
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bborkkEzahn: This might be difficult if you aren't in front of your machine.09:01
Ezahni know, that's a problem09:01
jasonwhats a good graphical bit torrent client?09:01
Ezahnbut if was on my machine i couldn't connect to irc.... ;-)09:01
punkassjason: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/09:02
bborkkEzahn: Right.  In that case, I recommend you read up on the following commands: ifup, ifdown, ifconfig, dmesg, modprobe, lsmod, lspci.09:03
AndyFitzif you want a nice one for gnome 09:03
jasonpunkass: ty09:03
bborkkEzahn: You don't need to know everything about all of them... just a little of each will help a lot.09:03
AndyFitzis the 'nicest looking gui one'09:03
punkassjason: azureus requires java09:03
Ezahnok, i'll google and read docs09:03
jasonthanks andy09:03
bborkkEzahn: Try the man pages... open a terminal window and type in "man foo", where foo is the command.  Don't include the quotation marks.09:04
Ezahnok, sure09:05
bborkkEzahn: That will tell you about the command in question and all the options.09:05
bborkkGood luck.09:05
EzahnYou're really helpful09:06
Ezahnand very kind09:06
EzahnI must say... very Ubuntu! ;-)09:06
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EzahnThanks again09:07
punkassbborkk: some props for ya: <Ezahn> You're really helpful09:07
punkass<Ezahn> and very kind09:07
punkass<Ezahn> Tnx!09:07
punkass<Ezahn> I must say... very Ubuntu! ;-)09:07
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bborkkheh.  :)09:08
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EzahnBless! I hope I will return on #ubuntu from my ubuntu box soon and report a success09:09
EzahnBless bless09:10
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punkasswhoa how did i join and quit09:11
bborkkglitch in the matrix.  duck.09:11
punkassits my work machine :)09:12
bborkkor that.09:12
topylipunkass: it's been rooted :)09:12
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punkassextra big DOH!09:12
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bborkkeh, it's only your work machine.09:12
punkasstrue enough09:12
punkassand its windows...09:12
topylipunkass: that's not where you have all your music and pr0n anyway, not valuable09:13
bborkkthe janitor is probably sitting on the keyboard.09:13
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bborkkpunkass: Good luck with the wrapper.  I'm off.09:23
bborkkKeep on keepin' on.09:23
punkassbborkk: thanks :) later man ..taker eays09:23
punkasser easy*09:23
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RandomizeGuys, newbie question.  I've downloaded the CVS source for something i need to try, and the install directions say to "run" autogen.sh ... what do I "run" it with?  I mean, it's a script, doesn't it have to be called by something?09:25
punkassor sh autogen.sh09:26
RandomizeROFL, thanks.09:26
RandomizeI've decided I haven't quite broken this installation well enough, so I'm going to try harder. :)09:26
punkasswell its so easy to reinstall...why not.09:27
liranwee i got it! i can now see the windows partations !09:27
punkassyou learn through breakage09:27
lirangood guide about it09:27
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RandomizeI thought it was through the consumption of brains, my bad.09:28
punkasswell either or09:28
RandomizeLinux:  It's All About Choices! (Brought to you by the Federation For Brain Eating And/Or Breaking Things [FFBEAOBT] )09:29
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RandomizeNo, silly computer, you DO have glib installed.09:29
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crimsun``dpkg -l libglib2\*dev|grep ^ii'' ?09:30
danielshave you got the development packages installed?  you'll need them if you're trying to compile stuff09:30
danielsprobably libglib2.0-dev09:30
RandomizeYah, libglib2.0-dev, -doc, etc are installed.09:30
|trey|Most new Artwork is complete for RC... icons aren't right still though, thats bad right? or aren't they done yet?09:31
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topyli|trey|: the icons are there, but they don't get selected with the rest of the theme automatically for some reason09:32
RandomizeMmmm, "requires GLib 2.2 to compile" .... wonder if that's an oversimplification or if they really want specificaly 2.209:33
danielsprobably >= 2.2, and Ubuntu has 2.409:33
|trey|topyli: Computer > Desktop Preferences > Theme > Theme Details > Icons > "Human"09:33
RandomizeYah, but apparently this script ain't seeing it.  Is there a standard way to "Force" an autogen script to look at a specific location for it?09:34
topyli|trey|: yes. i just wonder why they have to be selected by hand09:34
|trey|topyli: maybe because they aren't done  :/09:35
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punkassi have to say, personally, i dont really like the Human icons09:35
punkassthey dont seem to fit with the rest of the OS09:36
AndyFitzpunkass: http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png   - how about those ones ?09:36
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punkassbetter, i am using some they someone posted in the forum called Suede09:37
punkassthey = that09:37
RandomizeSo, no way to force this ./autogen.sh to see my glib?09:37
TreenaksRandomize: install the -dev version of it09:38
RandomizeIt is.09:38
liranhave you saw the new splash in ubuntu ?09:39
liranlol funny09:39
|trey|blonde is cute  8)09:40
liran2 hot babes and one gay09:40
theantixAndyFitz: it's so strange seeing the applications menu at the bottom!  :-)09:40
smeggyIs it genuine?09:40
crimsuni think it's a nice splash09:42
crimsuni even dropped the gdm from sid and pinned to warty to use it :-)09:42
AndyFitztheantix: my girlfriend uses the computer quite often and we've resolved to the fact that having it at the top freaks her out.09:42
punkasswonder where they got the people from09:42
AndyFitzmodels from a photo shoot in south africa09:44
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PizbitRandomize: Exterminate *what* though?09:50
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RandomizePossibly a doctor of some sort.09:51
smeggysomebody doesn't get it Randomize ;)09:52
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RandomizeMmmm, new batteries for the keyboard, I think.09:52
lirani need good and free web hosting with ftp access and it won`t delete my account after one month 09:52
liranany one can reccomand me on something ?09:52
RandomizeThat would be "clobber" in battery-not-dying-ese.09:52
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RandomizeOK, running ./autogen.sh AND ./configure would be redundant, right?  Just ./autogen, make, make install, yadda yadda?09:54
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calcRandomize: autogen by itself will probably set the prefix to /usr/local09:55
calcso if that is what you want that may be ok09:55
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RandomizeMmm.  OK.  Rand this ./autogen.sh, it told me to move on to make at the tail end of it's output to console, which doesn't jive with their install instructions provided with the source.  Thanks.09:57
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MiiXHi. new install P4 Prescott 3.0 on 865PE and I'm getting heaps of messages "Irq 185 Nobody cared! Disabling irq 18510:00
joemyou should be able to do ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr10:02
MiiXalso APIC error on CPU0 60 (60)10:03
PizbitAnyone know a program to re-encode mp3s at a lower bitrate?10:03
calcthat would be a trivial shell script10:04
TreenaksMiiX: IRQ 185? nice :)10:05
TreenaksMiiX: anyway.. you could try booting with the 'noapic' or 'nolapic' kernel options10:05
MiiXTreenaks, how do I do that?10:06
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joemPizbit, why re-encode at a lower bitrate?10:09
TreenaksMiiX: reboot, and when you see the countdown ("Press ESCAPE"), press escape on your keyboard10:10
Pizbitjoem: For the mp3 player;)10:10
TreenaksMiiX: you'll then see a boot menu, press 'e' to edit the kernel command line10:10
liranDoes any one knows an webhosting for free that allows shell access or telnet access ?10:10
joemit doesn't play mp3s at high bitrates?10:10
PizbitSeems this script wants to work now, I think I might have to edit it though, I dislike it's mass renaming.10:10
Pizbitjoem: Lower bitrate = More songs10:10
RandomizeHe's probably trying to transcode to get more files onto a portable.10:11
TreenaksMiiX: then go to the line saying "root=/dev/somewhere ro" etc., press "e" again10:11
TreenaksMiiX: then add "noapic nolapic" to the end of the line10:11
MiiXTreenaks, and I add in noapic there?10:11
TreenaksMiiX: press Enter, then "b", and it might work better10:11
MiiXk. thanks Treenaks10:11
TreenaksMiiX: if it does work better, you can make it default by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst10:11
Treenaks(look for the # kopt= line)10:11
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liranDoes any one knows an webhosting for free that allows shell access or telnet access ?10:13
danielsfor free?10:14
liranyes :)10:15
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RandomizeIs there some super-secret hotkey that makes gnome autotile it's windows?  I'm not seeing anything in the menus.10:18
RandomizeWell, not auto-tile.10:18
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liranhow i make a dir to file.tar.gz ?10:21
lirantar -cfs bla.tar.gz dirname ?10:21
NoodlesI normally do tar -zcvf bla.tar.gz dirname10:22
Treenaksliran: tar cfvz bla.tar.gz directory/10:22
liranand another thing,I want to config my bootloader10:23
Treenaksreplace the "z" by "j" to make a tar.bz210:23
Noodles-z to compress, -c to create, -v for verbose (list the filenames as they're added), -f to specify the tar filename.10:23
liranwhere its locate ?10:23
Treenaksliran: /boot/grub/menu.lst~10:23
Treenaksliran: without the ~10:23
liranthanks again mate :)10:23
Treenaksliran: be sure to read the comments :)10:23
liran## hiddenmenu10:24
liran# Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)10:24
lirancan i add # to hiddenmenu ?10:24
liranI want menu :)10:24
Treenaksliran: but you should leave lines like # kopt= commented out10:25
RandomizeHoo, boy ... all that effort to rebuild gstreamer from cvs and now it doesn't recognize the alsasink element.  :)10:25
Treenaksliran: that's handled by update-grub10:25
lirani won`t touch it10:25
liranneed to test it10:26
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liranwee worked10:30
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RandomizeWhere (if anywhere) does one set an environment variable stating the location of automake?10:45
liranRandomize remind me again about making tar.gz ?10:45
RandomizeI wasn't the one who was helping you with making an archive, liran, sorry. :/10:46
joemliran, if you don't want to bother with remembering the tar commands, you can just right click and create archive10:50
joemin nautilus10:51
joemRandomize, $PATH ?10:52
liranjoem heh thanks10:52
Randomize"$PATH=/usr/lib" or someting?  In?  .bashrc?  /etc/profiles?10:52
RandomizeI'm not conversant in this stuff.10:53
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joemeek, don't do that..export PATH=$PATH:/location/ofautomake10:54
joemhowcome automake isn't in /usr/bin?10:55
RandomizeSorry, you were just assuming I had a higher level of understanding than I actually did.10:55
RandomizeIt is in /usr/bin, but this ./autogen.sh isn't finding it.10:55
joemheh, just wanted to make sure you didn't mess up the path var10:55
joemthat is odd, is the location of it hardcoded in the script or something?10:56
Randomizejoem:  Checking.10:56
joemhardcoded paths make baby jesus cry :(10:56
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RandomizeJust did a quick scan of autogen.sh for all references to "automake" and none of them appear to be hard paths.  They're just if/then checks for versions.10:57
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RandomizeAnd even if I do an export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin (which shouldn't be necessary, right?) autogen still bombs.10:59
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joem/usr/bin should already be in path, but yea it sounds like a problem with the script10:59
liranhow i do copy+paste over putty client ?11:00
joemhighlight and right click11:00
joemputty that windows ssh app right?11:01
RandomizeYah, if I manually do "automake-1.8 --version" at the console I get a valid response.11:01
liranno linux11:01
lirani did apt-get install putty11:01
joemthere are plenty of better terms in linux then putty :)11:01
liranname it ?11:01
Pizbitssh :)11:01
joemyea, you can just use the default gnome-terminal installed11:02
liranIm want telnet interface,telnet command isn`t good11:02
Pizbitssh in gnome-terminal, it's all you need.11:02
joemwhat still uses telnet?11:02
lirana web host11:02
Pizbitjoem: Muds and talkers do, but those hardly need something secure.11:02
joemliran, get a better host :)11:03
liranyeah where lol11:03
joemplenty of places to get them, but you need a valid reason11:03
joemusually "I want webspace" doesn't fly11:03
Randomizejoem:  Would you be willing to look at about 10 lines of this script in a msg?  I don't really know how to determine what could be wrong with it.11:04
joemRandomize, sure11:04
liranI want with ssh or telnet access11:04
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Kamionjoem: actually I think the PuTTY terminal's much better than gnome-terminal11:06
Kamionjoem: of course, as the Debian putty maintainer I'm a little biased11:06
joemis putty on linux still gtk-1.x11:07
joemor is there a gtk2 version11:07
Kamionfor the moment, just gtk1; hoping to fix that soon11:07
joemI use windows putty at school, its not bad11:07
joemreally I just don't have a use for the features it offers11:07
Kamionit's got a fair amount of gtk2 compatibility in the source, but it isn't complete11:07
Kamionoh, I mostly just use pterm11:07
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joemI just like tabbed terms11:09
Kamionah, I never have11:10
joemthough I often end up using other terms since gnome-term doesn't get along well with some apps in screen11:10
liranhow i check my gtk version ?11:10
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danielsmmm, I used to love tabbed terms11:13
danielsthen I discovered xterm.  go figure.11:13
NoodlesI want tabbed terms, but not the weight associated with gnome-term.11:14
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danielskonsole is pretty heavy, but not quite as heavy as g-t11:17
danielsit doesn't even come close to pegging the cpu, though11:17
danielsi'm really happy with xterm after being a die-hard konsole user for ages, though11:17
Kamionpterm's most serious problem is that, while it's normally fast and light on CPU, it occasionally gets confused and starts munching CPU in a busy-loop11:18
g0tchayesterday someone told me to try /dev/hd0,2 chainloader +1 for dualbooting xp and ubuntu, this doesnt work !!!!11:18
KamionI need to beat up Simon until he fixes it :)11:18
g0tchacan any1 help me with the dual boot problem ?11:18
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Treenaksg0tcha: it's /dev/hda3 or (hd0,2)11:18
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Treenaksg0tcha: not a mix :)11:18
joemyea vte is pretty harsh11:19
joemI don't think it is actively maintained, or has been for a while11:20
danielsKamion: that's what g-t does whenever someone tries to paint a character11:20
g0tchatreenaks: /dev/hda3 would write it to where if i have XP on the first partition and ubuntu on the second partition ?11:21
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Treenaksg0tcha: you can check it with sudo fdisk -l11:21
Treenaksg0tcha: it'll tell you which one is not "linux" or "linux swap"11:21
Treenaksg0tcha: that one is your XP disk11:21
Kamiondaniels: hooray11:21
Kamiondaniels: pterm does it more often when maximised I think, but I'm not sure if that's just a placebo effect11:22
Kamion(um, wrong term, but you know what I mean)11:22
danielsyou know you've had too much Ubuntu when you see 'hoary' every time someone says 'hooray'11:22
danielsKamion: heh, on 1024x768, all my terms are maximised, usually, so that'd be a bit of a placebo here11:22
Treenaksdaniels: yeah, same with 'hairy' bugs :P11:23
Kamiondaniels: ditto11:23
Kamionhey, they're maximised on 1280x85411:23
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danielsKamion: i tile ~4 to a screen at 160011:24
Treenaks|trey|: like, say, using gnome-term and aptitude? :P11:24
|trey|Treenaks: no.. I'm talking about the GTK interface for DebConf.11:25
|trey|Treenaks: not Ncurses... Ncurses looks bad with Synaptic.11:25
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mvo|trey|: you know that you can click "Package/Configure" if it has debconf information?11:26
|trey|mvo: yes.11:26
|trey|mvo: do that to debconf, set it to use GNOME and see what I mean  :/11:26
Kamionwe'll probably be using debconf's GNOME frontend come graphical-installer land11:27
Kamionat least for the second stage install11:28
mvo|trey|: you mean the interface of gnome-debconf is not nice?11:28
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|trey|mvo: I mean it should be integrated fully into synaptic...11:30
|trey|...and be default, but apparently that will happen with Hoary.11:31
|trey|Looks like 2 apps  :/11:31
mvo|trey|: agreed11:31
lobo_nzJust installed mod_perl onto my ubuntu, had trouble with apache not finding libapreq.so (Apache::Request is installed) anyone know the correct way to tell apache where to find it11:32
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Treenakslobo_nz: how did you install it?11:33
lobo_nzusing dselect11:33
Treenakslobo_nz: I hope you used a package?11:33
Treenaksah ok11:33
Treenaksapache2 or apache1?11:33
lobo_nzI googled and found a solution but dont like it11:34
Treenakshave you looked at the debian bug reports page for it?11:34
lobo_nzno, I have a debian system aswell and diddn't have the problem11:34
lobo_nzI will check there11:35
RandomizeOK ... off to ... reinstall ... ummm ... six?11:40
RandomizeThanks again, joem.  Be back in 30ish.11:40
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Defthey, does anyone have any daily images they'd advise to get/not get?11:49
Deftor should I just get the one linked from the main page?11:50
KamionDeft: there's been one daily build since the release candidate, with essentially no changes11:50
Deftok, thanks; I've finally broken my debian install, so it's time for ubuntu on my main PC11:50
Defthave there been any major changes in the last couple of weeks?11:53
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KamionDeft: quite a few, see the warty-changes list archives on lists.ubuntu.com for details11:56
mggood morning. does anyone know if the warty rc auto detects nvidia video adapters? i would like to recommend ubuntu to a friend so this would be really helpful.11:56
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PizbitUhm, by video adapters do you mean graphics cards?11:58
DeftKamion, Great, thanks for getting gamin in11:58
vrlnas far as I know, it should work with all non-gf6800 cards11:58
vrlnthey aren't supported by the nv driver yet11:58
mgPizbit: yes, of course.11:58
mgvrln: i meant the (non free) "nvidia" driver. sorry, i should have been more explicit.11:59
mrjivemg: i installed ubuntu on a ssystem with nvidia card11:59
mrjiveit worked right (i386)11:59
vrlnmg: the driver isn't installed out of the box, you have to install it yourself12:00
KamionDeft: wasn't me :)12:00
vrlnit works fine though12:00
mgvrln: ok, no problem. it's easy enough to set it up after anyway.12:00
mgthanks for the help.12:01
mgby the way, ubuntu is a pleasure to use. i installed it a couple of weeks ago and i've found myself using it more and more each day.12:03
mgcongratulations to all the developers, you've done a wonderful job.12:03
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sepheebearI second that notion, Ubuntu is awesome!!!!12:12
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=== mg never thought he'd find debian so usable ;-)
sepheebearDebian is like a well-pressed suit. Ubuntu is a tux.12:13
RandomizeIt's a trap.  Don't let your guard down. :)12:13
tom_cathi all12:14
sepheebearHey man dont get scared of a little compliment12:14
tom_catI think we should put k3b to "warty/main Release"12:14
=== Randomize panics.
sepheebearfor real I havent had anything go wrong that wasnt user error12:15
tom_catplease do not put k3b in  warty/universe Release12:15
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Treenakstom_cat: why? there's the nautilus CD builder..12:16
chevrofreaki like K3B12:16
sepheebearwhat's k3b?12:16
chevrofreakCD burning program12:16
tom_catK3B likes Nero 12:16
ajsepheebear: but given Ubuntu doesn't include all of Debian; maybe it's best to say Ubuntu's a designer pair of pants12:17
ajsepheebear: (cf the recent desktop background  controversy re: going topless ;)12:17
tom_catTreenaks: Nautilus_CD-Burner still has not much features like K3B12:17
sepheebearahh its a KDE prog, i kinda shy away from kde. qt and sephee dont mix well12:17
defendguinanyine know how many email i have to mark as junk before spam assasin becomes effective?12:18
RandomizeIs /etc/mtab persistent?  (Will changes entered into it as a result of doing a console-level "mount" be present after a reboot?)12:18
PizbitRandomize: Nah, you edit /etc/fstab12:18
Treenaksdefendguin: a bit.12:18
sepheebearhey aj ubuntu's just got some spunk that's all12:18
RandomizePizbit:  Thank you.12:18
WW_Anyone know how to create an ISO file from a CD?  I want to dup some CDs to have backups.12:19
defendguini keep getting the same stupid emails12:19
sepheebeari was shocked earlier but the nudie people have kinda grown on me12:19
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Kamiondefendguin: requires 200 learned ham and 200 learned spam before the bayesian detector kicks in, as far as I remember12:19
sepheebearmkisofs -R -o Image.iso12:20
sepheebearsomething like that12:20
defendguinKamion, wow12:20
MacPlusG3defendguin: it depends... it takes some time to really learn stuff. if it just learnt from one message... well.. wouldn't be very reliable :)12:20
MacPlusG3defendguin: good idea is to also train it on ham mail (i think evo does this automatically)12:21
defendguinwell i have lest say 50 spam12:21
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Randomizesepheebear: The bald man in the loginsplash watches you when you sleep.  Sweet dreams.  :)12:21
MacPlusG3defendguin: it's not that many :)12:21
chevrofreaksamba hates me12:21
sepheebeartrue dont remind me of that dude12:21
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RandomizeYou don't need to be reminded, for he will always be there .... watching ... waiting.12:22
dkgubuntu running.12:22
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dkgnice thing!12:22
dkgneat girls :)12:22
Kamiondefendguin: I get about that in a morning ;)12:22
WW_sepheebear: Thanks.  I'm looking at the manpage for mkisofs now... but will that take an image off of an existing CD?  If not, how can I do that?12:22
dkgis there a root-password?12:22
Kamion(and that's just what gets through ... my spam filters increasingly suck)12:22
MacPlusG3WW_: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso12:23
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dkgI cant remember to have set one in installation.12:23
MacPlusG3dkg: no12:23
Kamiondkg: no, disabled, first screen after reboot should've explained that12:23
tom_catOh, kernel panics , LVM could not define my root partition :-(  But not kernel- 12:23
MacPlusG3dkg: root is disabled, use sudo12:23
dkgthats strange!12:23
MacPlusG3dkg: it's *sane* :)12:23
WW_MacPlusG3: Thanks.12:23
Kamiondkg: your own12:23
dkgi didnt set one.12:24
sepheebearPizbit: ooh "Smut-Linux" would be awesome!12:24
MacPlusG3dkg: it's your account password12:24
dkgwow :)12:24
MacPlusG3dkg: i.e. users with admin rights enter their own passwords (not a shared one)12:24
MacPlusG3dkg: MacOSX also does it this way.12:24
MacPlusG3dkg: real usability plus :)12:24
MacPlusG3WW_: np - i think you can also do it from nautilus.... (i know you can right-click the .iso and burn them at least)12:25
WW_MacPlusG3: I've burned a CD with Nautilus, but I didn't find a way to read the image from the cd.12:26
TreenaksWW_: it's not in there afaik12:26
RandomizeAsked this earlier, may have missed the answer, where (if anywhere) is a "tile windows" option buried in the interface for gnome?12:26
WW_dkg: FYI: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root12:28
MacPlusG3Randomize: don't think there is one. never used it myself (found it kind of useless)12:28
TreenaksRandomize: no12:29
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RandomizeOK.  I'd find it semi-useless too, if not for all my IRC windows on monitor 2 constantly needing adjustment. :)12:29
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sepheebearis tiling windows anything like expocity?12:30
RandomizeI'd have to know what expocity is to be able to frame a response to that question. :)12:30
RandomizeBut I'm what is kindly referred to as "blissfully ignorant." :)12:30
sepheebearits the metacity hack that mimics Expose in OS X12:31
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hartbrkrhow do I disable the startup and login sounds in gnome? when i went to the Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sound menu, it only lets me pick a new sound, not disable the current one .. anyone know?12:36
seb128you can turn off the sound events12:38
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hartbrkrseb128: i don't want to disable all sound events though, is that possible?12:38
seb128there is already a bug report open for this12:39
hartbrkroh ok12:39
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Randomize"Shitty" is perhaps a little out of scale with the subject material. :)12:39
seb128but the corresponding bug report is open for years on the upstream side ...12:39
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|trey|sepheebear: Expocity is pretty different, Cascade is somewhat close, but not exactly the same... tries to make everything fit... Tile layers them12:42
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RandomizeI shouldn't be breaking off tabs in X-Chat and trying to tile them anyhow ... too much UI eating up space.12:43
RandomizeSo forget I asked. :)12:43
sepheebeartrey: intersting12:43
|trey|Randomize: Not much being covered... task bars can't be...12:43
RandomizeI'm sort of tired, not sure what you mean?12:44
|trey|Just saying too much UI eating up space is an invalid point...12:44
|trey|If everything fits... and is covering nothing, why does it matter?12:45
RandomizeUmmm, no, my point was, if I break off tabs with X-Chat and tile them, since each of them have menus, etc, a lot of my screen space gets wasted on those redundant UI elements instead of the chat window. :)12:45
RandomizeAs in, my problem, not the program's problem.12:45
|trey|Randomize: thats why god gave us virtual desktops anyways...12:45
RandomizePerhaps.  But what I generally aim for is having all of the relevant windows in plain view without having to scroll for 'em, etc.  Again, my problem, not the program's.12:46
|trey|Randomize: most apps you can seperate and close the menu... is an app problem..12:46
hartbrkrcan i install Wine with apt-get ?12:47
PizbitRandomize: Remove the menus then12:47
|trey|hartbrkr: if you activate universe, its not supported though..12:47
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|trey|Pizbit: in Xchat you can't...12:48
PizbitRandomize: You can have an xchat window with only the main text area and the text entry area visible ya know12:48
TreenaksRandomize: set some keys for raise/lower window..12:48
hartbrkr|trey| what do you mean activate universe? or can I get it with Synaptic?12:48
Pizbit|trey|: Right click -> Untick menu bar, it's gone.12:48
|trey|And you don't need tabs...12:49
PizbitAnd you can hide the tabs:)12:49
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RandomizeRight clicking my menu bar = nothing. :)12:50
|trey|Set everything to "New Window" in Tabs12:50
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PizbitRandomize: In the main xchat area12:50
|trey|Randomize: right click in the dot:   .12:50
PizbitWhere you're reading this12:50
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RandomizeThanks, as I've said ... tired. :)12:51
RandomizeThought I read "right click menu bar" :)12:51
PizbitAnd then you can use the gnome keyboard shortcut to fullscreen xchat:)12:52
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RandomizeI'll just CTRL-TAB through them for the time being. :)  Other fish to fry.  Or saute.  Perhaps broil.12:53
Pizbitctrl+pgup/pgdown :)12:54
RandomizeYah, CTRL-TAB is just a reflex. :)12:54
RandomizeWhy fight muscle memory? :)12:54
PizbitNever got that entrained.12:54
Pizbitctrl+pgup/pgdown works in gnome-terminal, firefox and other tabbed apps.12:54
ploumI don't find doc that explain precisely what universe and multiverse are, if they have all debian packages and how they are built12:55
RandomizeI know.  I didn't mean that it was a platform-specific reflex. :)12:55
TreenaksPizbit: ctrl+pgup? not shift? 12:55
PizbitTreenaks: Correct12:56
PizbitChanging tab, not scrolling:)12:56
Pizbitshift+pgup/down does nothing in xchat anyway.12:56
Treenaksmaybe it's just plain pgup12:56
PizbitIt is.12:57
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PizbitOnly come across the need for shift when working in terminals.12:57
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jkgwell obviously it doesn't _matter_, but it seems a bit odd.01:02
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MacPlusG3dkg: it's because ubuntu is snapshot of debian unstable and stabilised01:05
MacPlusG3dkg: i.e. nobody's fixed up that (wrong) file yet01:05
Kamionwell, it isn't really wrong01:06
Kamionwe include /etc/lsb-release as well with Ubuntu versioning01:06
Juz_moiwhich file?01:06
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Q-FUNKnice distro01:12
liranyeah thanks :)01:13
Q-FUNKor well, a good start, anyhow.01:13
liranso Q-FUNK you liked my distro ?01:14
Q-FUNKas I understand, this is a community project.01:15
RandomizeUnfortunately, like any other community, it has it's share of crazy people running around screaming "It's MY Island!". :)01:16
Q-FUNKso it seems.01:17
|trey|Randomize: who's you, you been in here all night  :)01:18
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RandomizeI think Rhythmbox has triggered a previously latent obsessive-compulsive tendency in me.01:19
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|trey|Randomize: how so?01:19
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RandomizeAs of 0.8.4 Rhythmbox is supposed to dynamically handle new filetypes (add a plugin to gstreamer), but it's not working.  People on other distros have been able to reinstall from CVS to fix it (supposedly) but I'm having ... issues. :)01:20
mrjivehi mako!01:20
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|trey|Randomize: mplayer-nogui is a lot easier... mplayer file.mpg  :)  add ffmpeg and w32codecs for good codec support  :)01:22
|trey|need to add universe for for some of the packages though..01:23
|trey|minus one for01:23
Randomizetrey:  Yah, I have the files working under mplayer / bmp / xmms / etc.  But since ubuntu is set up to be gstreamer/rhythmbox-centric out of the box, I want to get this working on principle.01:23
|trey|Randomize: Would be nice one day... for now there is mplayer for your pr0n  8)01:24
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RandomizeYah, not so good for managing 3800 or so audiofiles, though. :)01:24
=== |trey| doesn't like xmms though :/
PizbitamaroK :D01:24
|trey|Rhythmbox currently...  :(01:24
RandomizeI know.01:24
RandomizeBut since I'm sure it's going to be some tiny dipshit bug, I want to figure it out.01:25
PizbitThat's the spirit!01:25
|trey|Not really a bad thing, prolly the best all around music player for Linux...01:25
RandomizeIt's sort of a fool's errand, but has the passive benefit of making me learn things about working with linux that I don't know.01:25
|trey|I think Helix should be movie player though...01:25
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|trey|Helix is being supported by Red Hat/Fedora and Novell... it will become standard... why be last to catch on?01:26
Pizbit|trey|: Eh? amaroK is better than rythmbox, supports mroe engines than just gstreamer;)01:26
RandomizeThe problem is I sort of ... broke ... things earlier and a couple autogen.sh's I tried to run just refused to see some libraries that were working right, and in /usr/bin.01:26
RandomizeSo I rolled a clean install to try again.01:26
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PizbitAnyway, sleep time;)01:27
RandomizeI'd feel a little better if I could get straight answers out of the lurkers in #rhythmbox on irc.gimp.org, though. :)01:27
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Scognitohi all01:28
|trey|Randomize: ahh, whats your question?01:29
Scognitocan i install ubuntu on a laptop with centrino?01:29
RandomizeI know that the people who solved their problems with file support did so by installing from CVS, but it's not clear if they had to do gstreamer > gst-plugins > rhythmbox, or JUST rhythmbox. :)01:29
Scognitotvon, ok thanks01:30
RandomizeThe workflow wasn't clearly noted.01:30
Scognitodo you have centrino?01:30
RandomizeSorry, repl. installing w/ compiling.01:30
tvonIBM X3101:30
tvonThere is no driver for the centrino wireless card in Ubuntu that I am aware of however01:30
Scognitohave you got problems?01:30
tvonthough the driver is available from Intel I think01:30
sladentvon: ipw2100 ?01:30
Scognitoi don't need wireless01:30
tvonsladen: no clue, havent had the card in here for a while01:31
tvonScognito: no problems, everything runs great01:31
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tvonsladen: for all I know the drivers are in now01:31
Scognitook thanks01:31
tvonScognito: no problem01:31
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|trey|Pizbit: I like the interface of Rhythmbox/iTunes... amarok is too much like XMMS/Winamp...01:33
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finndoes ubuntu include ndiswrapper for using broadcom wireless cards?01:34
|trey|Pizbit: I will prolly use it again next time I use KDE  :/01:34
|trey|JuK didn't support pls either   :/01:35
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RandomizeBy the by, if pci=noacpi, noapic and nolapic (independently or collectively) don't resolve a problem with a USB mouse not responding on boot (intermittently) what would be next?01:37
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|trey|finn: Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic > Seach > "ndiswrapper"01:38
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finn|trey|, ah, i haven't installed it yet (running gentoo on this laptop at the moment, but fed up with the slow updates)01:39
|trey|finn: has ndiswrapper-utils that I see...01:39
finncool.  now i just have to wait for the iso to finish downloading01:40
|trey|finn: They need netinst's... when you select "Install from Internet" "Yes", it gets it from there today anyways...01:41
|trey|Image would be a lot smaller01:41
finn|trey|, really?  hmm... I'll have to go find that image :) thanks01:42
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jonohi all01:42
|trey|finn: no, I'm saying they don't have them  :/01:42
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jonoI am trying to remotely run an X app and I am using: ssh -X jono@ gimp and it says the display cannot be found01:42
jonoany ideas?01:43
jonoI have configured sshd_config and ssh_config too01:43
finn|trey|, ah... maybe there's a way of using a debian netinst image?01:43
Treenaksjono: did you configure sshd_config on the SERVER or on the client?01:43
Treenaksjono: did you restart the ssh serveR?01:43
finnAh well, the download is mostly finished01:43
jonoTreenaks, server01:43
finni started a few hours ago01:43
jonoahhh never restarted it01:43
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|trey|finn: technically... if you use ubuntu's archive... it should work via "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"01:43
staticactivityhey, how to stop services like ssh, postfix from getting started. i don't want all the server applications01:44
|trey|Choosing "Manually select packages"01:44
jonothanks Treenaks01:45
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Treenaksjono: np :)01:45
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moose6S89i'm a linux noob, and i need some help01:46
moose6S89i just got ubuntu yesterday and installed it01:46
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moose6S89i'm trying to go online by installing roaring penguin's pppoe01:46
moose6S89but it's not working..01:46
moose6S89anyone have any ideas?01:46
moose6S89it says it's not able to configure or something..01:46
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Randomizejoem: If you're awake / interested, I still get that automake error on a clean install.01:47
afonitI have no idea, never used that.01:47
moose6S89supposedly, you just type ./go to install01:47
g0tchai have a problem getting XP to dual boot with ubuntu , do you think it has something to do with this http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/01:47
moose6S89so i did cd /home/<name>/Desktop01:48
moose6S89then ./go01:48
moose6S89is that correct?01:48
RandomizeSo, for anyone who likes annoying things that make no sense ... I have an autogen.sh script from the CVS source for Rhythmbox.  In that script, it does some calls to check the version of automake on my system.  Even though automake-1.8 is in /usr/bin, as well as a link to it called automake, the script bombs.  Ideas?01:49
Seveasg0tcha i do not think that that is the problem01:50
Seveassince Ubuntu does not alter harddisk geometry afaik01:50
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finn|trey|,  i found an upgrade guide from debian 3.0 in the latest faqs section of the website (so a network install is possible)01:51
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Mannyare there any jre and/or jdk packages available for ubuntu?02:04
Hmmmmm_Manny, i dont think so02:05
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Hmmmmm_of course u cna gte it off sun's site02:06
Hmmmmm_no official debs at least02:06
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mginstalling java is mentioned in the FAQ02:07
Mannymg: I can't find it02:08
mgone moment, i'll find the link ...02:08
MannyI've already grepped the web FAQ with /java - nothing02:08
Hmmmmm_guys how do i back up my mails in evolution?02:09
Hmmmmm_i wana migrate from fc2 to ubuntu02:09
MannyHmmmmm_: cp -a ~/.evolution ~/.evolution-backup02:11
mgHmmmmm_: iirc, evolution uses mbox so you can just copy the files.02:11
MannyHmmmmm_: what evo version are you referring to?02:11
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Mannyremember that account information is stored in gconf02:11
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Hmmmmm_lemme check02:12
Manny(for evo 2.0, at least)02:12
jacobIs there a date for when WW bill be released ?02:12
Hmmmmm_im using 1.4.6 now and wana move to 2 in ubuntu02:12
MannyHmmmmm_: I think in 1.x times, account data was located at ~/evolution02:12
Mannyyou should cp -a that from the old partition to ~, and then simply launch evo02:13
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Mannyit has an import assistant02:13
afonitdoes anyoneknow how to map a keyboard shotcut to the force quit applet?02:14
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Mannyafonit: please file a bug report at bugzilla.gnome.org02:17
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sepheebearwhat's up in here?02:41
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joolzi haven't been paying much attention today, so forgive me if this is already overdiscussed...02:44
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joolz... the new artwork, is it here to stay?02:44
RandomizeOnly the guy.  They're getting rid of the girls.02:44
joolzRandomize: hehe02:45
joolzbut seriously, I think it's weird.02:45
tsengso does everyone02:45
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joolzI'm not offended by it, but IMO it's something for a Pepsi ad, not for a desktop02:45
RandomizeWould it make you more comfortable if we photoshopped 'em and put clown noses on the lot?02:45
tsengim plenty comfortable with it, it just looks ridiculous02:46
Mithrandirjoolz: I disagree.  I think it brings out a lot of the ubuntu spirit.02:46
Mithrandirtseng: then change it. :)02:46
joolzyes, they're misplaced02:46
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tsengit would even be well done, if it were an ad in a womens magazine02:47
darkersatanicI like the images. I wouldn't have them on my desktop, but I still like them as a brand-identity.02:47
plovs_worktseng, new tomboy package is out :)02:47
tsengplovs_work: ya ya02:47
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tsengmaybe later i have class soon02:47
joolzdarkersatanic: ok, agreed. Put them on the website, in ads etc. etc.02:47
tsengplovs_work: i just repackaged kurush, gtk# finance app.. not up yet02:47
joolzbut so prominently on the desktop?02:47
darkersatanic*shrug* You can change that.02:48
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plovs_worktseng, one i'll figure out how to make debian packages, then I might be able to help02:48
joolzmaybe it's trendsetting, but i don't like it.02:48
joolzdarkersatanic: sure, i know that02:48
Mithrandirjoolz: then you get to change it.  Nobody's going to stand in your way. :)02:48
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tsengMithrandir: sane defaults rock02:48
joolztseng: hear hear02:48
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Mithrandirtseng: none of those people look insane to me02:49
joolzMithrandir: of course not02:49
liranwhen ubuntu goes final at 20/10 i only have to do apt-get upgrade;apt-get update02:49
joolzand the photo's are ok too02:49
tsengplovs_work: hrm not really, updates are pretty quick. just gotta test them and upload02:49
Mithrandirliran: yes.02:49
tsengplovs_work: by which point im usually fairly distracted and not doing what im supposed to be IRL02:49
tsengso later.02:49
kremlynArticle on Ubuntu.02:49
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plovs_worktseng, aren't we all 02:50
joolzkremlyn: sloooow02:50
joolzalmost /.ted02:50
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joolzfrom the article: "The interface is clean and easy on the eyes." That was probably written before today *grin*02:55
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jazzkado anyone know how to decrease the processor speed?02:56
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HcEjazzka: I use cpudynd02:58
HcEI have a Pentium_M02:58
jazzkado I need to recompile the kernel or something tricky?02:58
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HcEI have compiled my own kernel, but AFAIK you need speedsteping02:59
HcEIntel enhanced speedsted02:59
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HcE<-- laggy line03:00
spivIt should be in the default kernel, I think.03:00
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HcEspiv: I would think so too03:00
Mithrandirhi HcE 03:00
HcEhi Mithrandir 03:01
jazzkaHcE, ok I've got cpudynd running, how can I see the results or some info?03:01
HcEjazzka: cat /proc/cpuinfo03:01
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HcEI use gkrellm to show me CPU speed, temperature and so on03:02
jazzkaI'm using gnome's cpu monitor applet in task bar03:03
HcEI guess it should alter03:03
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LinuxJonesgood morning everybody !!03:04
georgialo LinuxJones03:06
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jazzkawhen working on a terminal, how can I scroll up and down without the mouse?03:11
spivShift-PgUp and Shift-PgDn03:12
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LinuxJonesCan anybody recommend a reliable webhosting company, I have heard that Rackspace is very good ?03:23
TreenaksLinuxJones: I have heard other stories about rackspace lately..03:24
sladenLinuxJones: depends whether you want you servers handed over to the FBI or not03:24
LinuxJonesTreenaks, no way, I have only heard great things.03:24
LinuxJonessladen, wth ?03:24
TreenaksLinuxJones: look on news.google.com for 'indymedia' and 'rackspace'03:25
LinuxJonesTreenaks, ok will do03:25
sladenLinuxJones: http://news.google.com/news?q=rackspace03:25
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^aDePt^heya people03:29
^aDePt^just found the page for ubuntu looks promising03:30
^aDePt^how suitable would it be for running as a server for a sql database and file server? seems more orientated for a desktop would that be correcT?03:31
spiv^aDePt^: It's just as good for servers.03:32
^aDePt^cool.. its debian based, does that mean you can use a normal apt-get debian mirror? or does it have to be a ubuntu mirror?03:33
spiv^aDePt^: things like postgres and samba are supported pacakges... if you do a "custom" install, you can get a minimal install suitable for building a server.03:33
LinuxJonesTreenaks/sladen , They are implying that IndyMedia is a terrorist organization, that is such BS. 03:33
^aDePt^cool. thats pretty much all i want to run is postgres and samba at this stage to start with then work up from there to getting apache and tomcat03:33
spiv^aDePt^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.745390439403:34
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^aDePt^kewl thanx. was looking for something of that nature but couldnt find it03:34
spiv^aDePt^: That faq explains (rather tersely) that you can't use debian archive in ubuntu.03:34
^aDePt^can but will cause hell in the long run :o)03:35
plovs_work^aDePt^, technically you can, but practically, especially since you asked the question, you are likely to mess up your computer03:35
spivRight.  Or immediately, depending...03:36
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jonohi all03:36
spivAPT might do things like random switch between the ubuntu version of a package, and the debian one each time you run it...03:36
jonocan anyone point me in the right direction to run a remote X session (the entire desktop) on my local computer?03:36
^aDePt^does debian support yum? and is there a benefit over apt or is yum only for rpms03:37
mjrjono, run gdm (or xdm or kdm) and do an X -query otherhost on the box you want to use otherbox from03:37
plovs_work^aDePt^, no yum it is for rpm03:37
LinuxJoneshi jono03:37
mjr(oh, and the ?dm must be running on otherbox)03:37
mjr(oh, and I used otherbox and otherhost interchangeably ;)03:38
spiv^aDePt^: afaik, debian only has apt, but there's plenty of frontends on that... e.g. ubuntu comes with aptitude and synaptic, in addition to good ol' apt-get.03:38
^aDePt^ive come from using caos lately so i kinda grew to like yum03:38
pantzanyone know why the interface for 'login screen config' doesn't take well to new themes?03:39
spivpantz: Not that I've tried installing new themes, but what do you mean by "doesn't take well"?03:40
pantzspiv: i have smoothgnome installed and it looks good everywhere except the 'login screen config' app03:40
pantzit looks like it defaults back to a default theme03:40
pantzi saw this a fair bit with redhat/fedora - could it be that it is written in pyGTK?03:41
jonook cheers mjr03:42
jonoheya LinuxJones :)03:42
LinuxJonesjono, you looked @ tightvnc for remote desktop adminstration ?03:43
spivpantz: gdmsetup (the login screen config program) is written in C, I think.03:43
jonoLinuxJones, yeah, I am using that too03:43
spivpantz: judging from the fact that /usr/bin/gdmsetup is an executable and not a python file :)03:43
pantzhehe - yeah i am not at my machine at the mo. - thanks for checkign03:44
jonowhen I run: X -query, I only get the x cursor and hatching - no gdm - any idea how to fix this?03:44
spivpantz: Well, seeing as I can't help with your actual problem ;)03:44
mjrjono, hmm, you might not have XDMCP enabled on the gdm at
pantzspiv: do you see the same thing as me - or does gdmsetup take your theme?03:44
mjrrun the gdm configure tool03:44
jonomjr, where do I enable that?03:44
pantzjono: gdmsetup03:45
mjryeah, that's the one03:45
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Kamion^aDePt^: as I understand it, yum cloned a lot of its ideas off apt anyway ...03:46
sladen^aDePt^: yum is basically a rip-off of the Debian APT system03:46
spivpantz: Well, I don't mind the new theme, so I haven't tried...03:46
sladenKamion: snap03:47
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^aDePt^yeh hopefully ill get with apt then03:47
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jonoworks now, cheers :)03:47
jonosladen, heya man03:47
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LinuxJonesYUM is written in Perl I think and seems rather slow and bogged down.03:47
jcatalanI have two questions... first, when booting, the hotplug subsystem fails.03:48
jcatalanIf I unplug all usb devices, it boots fine.. and plugging them in once in x works fine.03:48
jonowhat does gdmconfig change when it turns xdmcp on?03:48
pantzLinuxJones: yum is written in python - even slower :) but nice to maintain!03:49
jcatalanI wish I could tell you.. I don't know what that means.03:49
mjrjono, it was some conf file under /etc/X11/gdm03:50
jcatalanI've read about stopping the hotplug on boot by putting "no hotplug" or something in grub,03:50
az[a] zel_ubuntuyum is python03:50
jcatalanbut the boot fails when I edit grub.03:50
az[a] zel_ubuntuafaik03:50
LinuxJonespantz, it runs like a turtle in quicksand. Horrid :D03:50
=== az[a] zel_ubuntu is updating ubuntu with synaptic -- easy peasy
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jcatalananyone know where I can get my hand held through this?03:52
tvonYum is piss slow, but its not because of python03:53
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jonomjr, oh right, I thought it would tweak something in X itself03:54
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MyKq3can some one recomand me about good burning program plz03:55
LinuxJonesMyKq3, cd burning ?03:56
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MyKq3yeah 03:56
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LinuxJonesMyKq3, k3b is the best cd/dvd recording front end that I have used.03:56
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MyKq3LinuxJones, yeah but i have some problems with it on Ubuntu + Gnome 03:57
LinuxJonesMyKq3, it's a KDE application but will require a bunch of kde library files about 25 megs I think03:57
LinuxJonesMyKq3, xcdroast is very good but it takes a while to get used to the interface.03:58
pantzMyKq3: do you run 'sudo k3b' ?03:58
MyKq3LinuxJones,  thanks i will try it ( for the recored i love K3b but it don't run very well on my Gnome ...)03:59
guptanamu: from where can I get Amaranth Artwork used by u in Gnoppix?03:59
LinuxJonesMyKq3, it seems to work ok for me, but I only burned 1 cd since I installed Ubuntu.04:00
MyKq3pantz,  no i just Alt+ F2 k3b04:00
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pantzMyKq3: i heard people saying you need to run it as root to avoid most of the problems04:02
az[a] zel_ubuntuk3b works fine on mandrake 10 for me as normal user04:03
MyKq3pantz,  I don't like to run programs as root ...04:03
az[a] zel_ubuntuthough I've found with mac os x, if most programs that need to burn are "cd burner enabled", then it's fine04:03
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az[a] zel_ubuntue.g. one can burn files with the finder.. or burn an audio/mp3 cd with itunes.. burn a DVD with iDVD.. etc etc04:04
az[a] zel_ubuntuspecialist burning programs are probably for if you want to do something special04:04
pantzMyKq3: what exactly are your problems with k3b and ubuntu?04:04
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MyKq3i have some problem to burn Hebrew files and files with Hebrew content + some times it  fails to burn ... 04:06
MyKq3pantz, ^04:06
pantzoh ok04:06
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zenwhenlol http://carboncopy.rubeus.org/image/Screenshot.png04:07
KamionMyKq3: I'd be totally amazed if Hebrew content in files made the slightest bit of difference04:07
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KamionMyKq3: Hebrew filenames might be an issue if they aren't UTF-8 and you haven't told mkisofs about them, I guess04:07
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KamionMyKq3: but that should only be an issue at the mkisofs level; the actual burn to disk doesn't care04:08
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MyKq3Kamion,  i was amazed too ^^ so u rn not the only one ( it was a *.txt file if i recall and i can't c it only on windows SYS) 04:09
KamionMyKq3: I'm not amazed, I just flat-out don't believe that the burn to disk is a problem.04:09
KamionMyKq3: k3b starts out with a directory tree, doesn't it?04:10
MyKq3kitchen`,  i can't remmber is was 2 weeks ago sine i used it 04:10
KamionMyKq3: (considering that every CD application on the planet is totally happy with binary data, Hebrew content or otherwise won't matter at all)04:10
Kamionthe only case I can imagine where it might start to make a difference would be if it runs 'file' over everything, or something like that04:11
LinuxJonesMyKq3, if you don't run k3b as root user you might not have permission to access the file under your normal user account.04:11
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MyKq3Kamion,  ... can u expline that ( to give me and exmple... )04:12
MyKq3LinuxJones,  oh yeah i fixed by giving me permission ... ( no biggy )04:13
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tvonSomeone was on here earlier talking about how gtk felt 'slow and clunky' to them because of the crappy way it redraws...04:15
MyKq3LinuxJones,  i done that by fixing the uid and gid on the /etc/fstab file 04:15
tvonI thought he was on crack...but dammit if Ididnt just install kde to compare and he's right...redraw sucks in gtk.04:15
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LinuxJonestvon, it seems to work just fine for me :)04:16
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KamionMyKq3: I'm just speaking off the cuff, can't give you an exact example04:16
tvonLinuxJones: if I grab the edge of a window and resize it horizon quicly I, a gap shows up between the scrollbar and the window edge04:17
tvonhappens a lil with xchat, but is easily noticable in more complex apps lke evolution04:17
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tvonNot a big deal really...but I always considered gtk to be much smoother than QT04:18
spivtvon: I can't reproduce with nautilus...04:18
MyKq3Kamion,  look i  m more then sure that it was my bad some how , And I dont calem otherwise ... K3b it more then gr8 itsthe best burning program i know 04:19
Kamionouch, my eyes, "great" wouldn't be that much more to type, would it? :-)04:19
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LinuxJonestvon, don't resize window really really fast and the problem will go away :D04:20
tvonLinuxJones: this is true :)04:20
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amuguptan: hmm, i guess from http://www.gnome-look.org/04:34
guptanamu: thanks04:34
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mxpxpoddid you guys update the installer?04:42
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Kamionmxpxpod: in what way?04:47
mxpxpodKamion: I see that the latest iso's have a date of 10/1304:48
Kamionthe installer's rebuilt pretty regularly04:48
Kamionreassembled, I should say04:48
mxpxpodah, ok04:48
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Kamionfor much of the lifetime of warty we've been doing daily installer builds04:48
Kamionbut that's just the initrds04:48
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mgerm, how do i put this politely ... i assume the new artwork is actually a joke? ;-)04:52
georgiamg: why would it be a joke?04:53
mgi just logged out of gnome. got one hell of a shock ;-) my wife just started laughing behind me04:53
Kamionit's not, but there have been a lot of complaints04:53
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AndyFitzmg: how could it be a joke ?04:54
mgwell, this sort of think is highly subjective but *to me* it looks "cheesy".04:54
AndyFitzubuntu = humanity .. wallpaper/artwork = humans.  A tasteful and very mature concept too04:55
lhbmg: why?04:55
lalmerasdefault artwork should be a bit more impersonal04:55
lhbAndyFitz: well said04:55
AndyFitznot true.  its ubuntu's close link with humanity that sets it apart04:55
mxpxpodis the old ubuntu artwork still there?04:55
mgi really like ubuntu's philosphy - it's one of the things that made me take notice. the artwork is just too obvious, too in the face.04:56
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lalmerasold artwork is overwritten by new04:57
mxpxpodmg: I was thinking they could take the idea of that picture and modify it to be more impersonal... like have faceless people there04:57
bob2you can change back if you like04:57
AndyFitzpeople will criticize. and cultures have different ideals. but being impersonal wont drive the philosophy home.   no doubt people would be e-mailing saying " why arent they wearing glasses "  if all the artwork were just heads hots04:57
lhbart.gnome.org has some nice penguin backgrounds04:57
AndyFitzheads hots = headshots :-P04:58
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mxpxpodAndyFitz: good point :)04:58
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war88hey what is the root password for unbuntu? i did not see an option to set it?04:58
war88when I installed (warty)04:58
AndyFitzwar88  04:59
AndyFitzthere is no root04:59
lalmerasthere is not root password04:59
mxpxpodwar88: there isn't a root pw04:59
AndyFitztype sudo -s04:59
lalmerasuse sudo04:59
war88ahh, ok thanks04:59
AndyFitzand then your user pass04:59
mxpxpodI quite like that... no root :)04:59
bob2war88: it's in the FAQ.04:59
war88sudo passwd root05:00
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tiagobugarinhi all, i have made a shit with my ubuntu. i was trying to make it boot faster on my pc133mhz by removing stuff like usb.rc (i dont have usb) so i thought trying to change hotplug startup detection for discover. removing hotplug was easy "update-rc.d hotplug remove" did it. but i was unable to add discover... anyone can help me?05:02
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mgre artwork, i just think something more subtle, probably something abstract, would be a better choice.05:02
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AndyFitzmxpxpod: i love the idea of no root05:02
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bob2tiagobugarin: discover is in universe.05:03
Nonphasiswhat? the new artwork isn't subtle enough? ;-)05:03
bob2tiagobugarin: if you want speed, just load your modules manually05:03
mgby the way, the default desktop background is lovely05:03
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Nonphasisthe splash screen is the problem, because it's not "obvious" how to change it05:04
AndyFitzredhat gave a talk here recently about SELinux  its a pretty awesome concept but nowhere near as mature on the linux desktop as it should be to work effectively. sudo is a nice way to get the best of what we have05:04
bob2Nonphasis: isn't it documented in the FAQ?05:04
Nonphasisbob2, I dunno. If something is in the FAQ, it's by definition not obvious05:04
tiagobugarinbob2: universe is turned on on my installation (by myself) and manually adding modules won't gimme speed. it will gimme work to do05:04
bob2Nonphasis: haha05:04
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NonphasisI changed the symlink in .../pikmaps/splash05:05
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bob2Nonphasis: FAQ is very close to being as obvious as can be05:05
bob2tiagobugarin: erm, ok then05:05
Nonphasisbob2, if it was obvious, it wouldn't be frequently asked05:06
Nonphasisobvious is e.g changing the background image05:06
KeybukNonphasis: it's obvious how to just turn it off though *shrug*05:06
tiagobugarinbob2: by now i want to find out how to add hotplug back to the init... do you know how?05:06
bob2tiagobugarin: update-rc.d hotplug defaults 05:07
bob2Nonphasis: adding an actual config option for the splash screen seems pretty excessive, when changing it is so easy05:07
tiagobugarinhummm thanks05:07
Nonphasisbob2, what's more important, with a neutral splash image none of this would be necessary05:08
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Nonphasisthis is probably the first time I've needed to change the splash image05:08
bob2Nonphasis: I'm not the person to be convincing05:08
makomrjive: hey there05:08
Nonphasisbob2, yeah, probably not. Just venting :)05:09
mxpxpodis xorg in ubuntu yet? someone just asked me if it was in 4.10 rc105:09
Nonphasismxpxpod, nope05:09
bob2mxpxpod: no05:09
mxpxpodjust making sure05:09
mxpxpodit's going to be in hoary, right?05:10
bob2it won't go in until hoary.05:10
Nonphasisgoogle needs to implement a search for irc channel histories05:11
mgout of interest, what was wrong with just using the ubuntu logo? i like that, it *suggests* people joining together without making it quite so obvious.05:11
bob2it's not a technical choice05:11
bob2nothing is "wrong" with either of them05:12
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mgbob2: agreed. as i said, this is highly subjective05:12
mrjivemako, :)05:12
Kamionbob2: changing the gnome-session splash screen is tediously hard05:14
Kamionbob2: nothing that involves gconf-editor can possibly be described as easy05:14
bob2Kamion: well, it's something you can easily explain, at least05:14
bob2not that I disagree with the "less...controversial default" folk05:15
diemanKamion: can you guys just make the splash image use alternatives?05:15
diemanKamion: so another package can provide it and update-alternatives can be used?05:15
Kamionbob2: everybody has been talking about discoverability for everything else; why shouldn't it apply here too?05:16
diemanright now I'm just going to divert the splash05:16
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Kamiondieman: not up to me :(05:16
bob2Kamion: hmmm05:16
bob2that's a good point05:16
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abstrato_generalso, what's with the ubuntu hype?05:23
abstrato_generalwhat makes it different from, say, Lycoris, Lindows or Knoppix as debian-based desktop-oriented projects?05:23
Nonphasisanyone know how I could force Ubuntu to use siimage SATA driver instead of sil_sata?05:25
Nonphasissome hotplug editing?05:25
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bob2abstrato_general: try and see05:26
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AndyFitzsleeptime  ciao05:28
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abstrato_generalbob2: I'm thinking of waiting till the Warty release.05:28
abstrato_generalhow does it perform, compared to, say, Mandrake and Gentoo?05:29
az[a] zel_ubuntudamn synaptic is buggy05:29
az[a] zel_ubuntuit just crashed on me before completing the upgrade05:29
georgiaabstrato_general: i've only tried it on ppc and it runs VERY nicely, better than mandrake did, haven tried gentoo though05:30
abstrato_generalGentoo is awesome.05:30
abstrato_generalGentoo is a mixed blessing for older computers.05:30
abstrato_generalIt's a joy to run, you can't even believe it.05:30
abstrato_generalBut, compiling is SLOW.05:30
georgiayeah, that's why i didnt try it, i have little patience, and need the use of my machine05:31
abstrato_generalit's amazing how Linux distros in general are much much slower than Windows XP.05:31
bob2oh, you have benchmarks?05:31
abstrato_generalWinXP is a memory hog, but much lighter on processor resources than even Gentoo + Fluxbox.05:32
abstrato_generalbah, I could produce processor and memory load averages.05:32
az[a] zel_ubuntuwe have winXP running on P III 500MHz with 128MB ram machines at my uni, and it is unbearable :D05:32
abstrato_generalit only gets worse if you consider "desktop" tasks like spreadsheets and suchlike.05:33
mjrwell, to be fair, it might be the RAM05:33
az[a] zel_ubuntucheapskates didn't bother upgrading the machines05:33
georgiawindows xp runs like a total bitch on my mcahine compared to linux, though i am emulating an x86 machine when i run windows05:33
az[a] zel_ubuntuwell yeah it's definitely the RAM05:33
abstrato_generalaz[a] zel_ubuntu: XP is a memory hog. I have it on a K6-II 300 with 312 megs of ram.05:33
Nonphasisabstrato_general, server/filesystem tasks are faster in linux05:33
abstrato_generalTrust me, the K6-II 300 is much inferior to thre equivalent mhz pentium.05:33
az[a] zel_ubuntuXP's themeing engine makes it feel pretty slow05:33
abstrato_generalNonphasis: that is true. Calling FAT32 a filesystem is almost a stretch.05:33
abstrato_generalXP's windowing engine is a dream compared to X.05:34
danielsto be fair, most of it is the fault of window managers being stupid, not X05:34
az[a] zel_ubuntunot if you want to run apps remotely.. I still prefer "ssh -C -X blah@host.com"05:34
abstrato_generalWith all the cool stuff on (true alpha, for instance), it's still more responsive to screen redraws than X+Fluxbox.05:35
az[a] zel_ubuntuxfree86 has been the ball and chain for ages05:35
az[a] zel_ubuntubut X.org is giving it a kick up the butt05:35
abstrato_generaldaniels: oh, come on. Near the end, I was running ratpoison because I couldn't stand the slow screen redraws, and it still was bad.05:35
abstrato_generalmorbid detail, xorg compiled myself. 05:35
abstrato_generala whole system compiled from stage 1.05:35
az[a] zel_ubuntuhmm crap my mouse isn't working in ubuntu anymore05:36
az[a] zel_ubuntulight is still on, but nobody is home05:36
abstrato_generalanyway, I'm addicted to Linux and am looking for something with better performance on old computers. Is Ubuntu for me?05:36
abstrato_generalI even tried the experimental kernels.05:37
abstrato_generalI even tried running with love-sources and ratpoison. I mean.05:37
abstrato_generalIt takes a beating. 05:37
danielsabstrato_general: how so?  are you talking about horrific tearing and redraw effects whne dragging, or other?05:37
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abstrato_generaldaniels: when switching windows, for instance. or virtual desktops, in ratpoison.05:38
abstrato_generalratpoison is the most minimal WM available, it's just a series of virtual desktops where windows are showed maximized05:38
abstrato_generalor when scrolling in any web browser.05:39
abstrato_generaldillo, for chrissake.05:39
danielsabstrato_general: 'most minimal' == 'unlikely to properly implement many things, such as redraws'05:39
abstrato_generaland YES, I experimented with prelinking too.05:39
LinuxJonesabstrato_general, what system specs do you have ?05:39
danielsabstrato_general: but in any case, have you ever tried starting the X server with '+bs'?05:39
abstrato_generaldaniels: i've tried the whole family. I've used fluxbox, kde, gnome, enlightenment, .05:39
abstrato_generaldaniels: what would +bs do?05:39
danielsabstrato_general: i'm not claiming that *any* window manager is written correctly.05:40
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danielsabstrato_general: as per the manpage, it would implement the backing store, which is sort of brute-force double buffering.05:40
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bob2abstrato_general: you know prelinking has no effect at all on runtime preformance, right?05:40
abstrato_generalbob2:  prelinking is supposed to speed up app loading times, right?05:40
bob2abstrato_general: *loading*.05:40
abstrato_generalbob2: Yes, I know. 05:41
bob2it wouldn't ever help with the things you're complaining about05:41
daniels(which are application design issues anyway)05:41
abstrato_generalI haven't begun complaining about application loading times, wait :P05:41
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abstrato_generalanyway, what does Ubuntu do about these common desktop problems?05:42
abstrato_general(yes, I've seen them in all kinds of pre-P4/Athlon computers)05:42
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LinuxJonesabstrato_general, what system specs do you have on your machine ?05:42
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abstrato_generalLinuxJones: I did say that thrice already :)05:43
=== abstrato_general has a K6-II 300 with 312 megs of RAM. It runs Windows XP _very very_ smoothly.
jordiabstrato_general: have you tried twaking ooo in the preferences so it takes more swap space and memory?05:43
LinuxJonesabstrato_general, sorry am watching a movie :D05:43
az[a] zel_ubuntuheh, I've now upgraded ubuntu and have the "controversial" new theme :)05:43
abstrato_generaljordi: that improves runtime performance, but not loading time.05:43
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jordithe theme rocks05:44
abstrato_generalIn any case, no ammount of hacking (unless spending a few months under the hood) will fix the parsing problems OOo has with simple excel spreadsheets.05:44
ploumaz[a] zel_ubuntu, I prefer the black woman ;-)05:44
LinuxJonesabstrato_general, K6-|| 300 is total junk, what do you expect will happen when you run X ?05:44
az[a] zel_ubuntuhehe05:44
bob2Keybuk: oh. how?] 05:44
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abstrato_generalLinuxJones: it runs WinXP with all the GUI options on (including stuff not present in X like true alpha blending) very very well.05:45
ploumI run a debian sid converted to Ubuntu05:45
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ploumWhat do you recommand to be "as ubuntu as possible" without reinstalling all05:45
abstrato_generalyes, it's an "older computer".05:45
Keybukbob2: not all symbols are relocated at load time, some are done at runtime as and when they're first called05:45
LinuxJonesabstrato_general, my brother has the same system running Windows 98 and it does not run very well at all.05:45
bob2Keybuk: oh05:45
abstrato_generalLinuxJones: maybe he should switch to a NT kernel-based Windows like 2K or XP.05:46
abstrato_generalanyway, all this kvetching because I'm actually addicted to Linux.05:46
az[a] zel_ubuntusomeone on osnews said the bootup music is annoying? what music? maybe I should turn on my speakers05:46
LinuxJonesabstrato_general, what are the minimum system specs for Windows XP ?05:46
az[a] zel_ubuntuis there supposed to be a boot splash with this release?05:46
abstrato_generaland was wondering if Ubuntu could help with my horrible performance problem.05:47
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LinuxJonesabstrato_general, Pentuim 500 and 128 megs of ram or something ?05:47
abstrato_generalLinuxJones: nah. It runs very well on this machine - much much inferior to a P500.05:47
abstrato_generalI mean _very well_.05:47
abstrato_generalI have huge spreadsheets drowned in complexity, and.05:47
Kamionaz[a] zel_ubuntu: no.05:48
tiagobugarinthis discussion abstrato_general is bringing on here is pretty much the same i am doing with my linux friends in my city. i have a pentium1 133mhz, 64mb ram and 4,5gb harddrive, with a trident no-accelerated card with 1mb and it runs win2k sp4 3 or 4 times more smoothly than it do with ubuntu05:49
danielsaz[a] zel_ubuntu: splash stuff is coming with hoary05:49
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az[a] zel_ubuntudaniels, fair enough.. just curious because I'm running my own boot loader, and often with distro's, I can't get the splash to work if I use my own boot loader05:50
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Kamionaz[a] zel_ubuntu: the splash we'll be doing is entirely userspace; as long as your boot loader is smart enough to deal with an initrd, it should be fine05:51
daniels... your own boot loader?05:51
az[a] zel_ubuntulilo, whcih is managed on my mandrake install and boots all my oS's05:52
az[a] zel_ubuntuI don't like installing hte boot loader with other OS's05:52
Keybukdoes mandrake not use grub?05:52
az[a] zel_ubuntunope05:52
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dablitzwhat is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive05:53
tiagobugarini just realized that my ISA soundcard is not working! some one knows how to bring it up?05:58
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Nonphasisanyone compiled a custom ubuntu kernel?06:05
Nonphasisis there a kernel command line to disable libata?06:06
ryangI'm going to have to compile a custom one if I decide to put it on my laptop06:06
guptanIs there any additional multimedia packages in Ubuntu RC which were absent in PR(I'm looking for Mplayer specifically)06:06
KosaiNonphasis: Think you might be confused about what libata is.  What are you trying to achieve?06:07
dablitzwhat is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive06:08
NonphasisKosai, force ubuntu to use siimage insteaf of sata_sil06:09
NonphasisKosai, I suppose libata wants to load sata_sil06:09
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koroshiyahi all06:09
Nonphasisbut I'm downloading kernel sources now... suppose that might be easier06:10
KosaiNonphasis: Ah, hm.  Sorry, no idea.  Try the #kernelnewbies channel, perhaps.06:10
Nonphasisok, I'll try06:10
koroshiyaare the ubuntu sources (for example your gnome) available for d/l on any ftp mirror?06:11
KamionNonphasis: it's the other way round isn't it? sata_sil depends on libata06:13
KamionNonphasis: blacklisting sata_sil and modprobing siimage would probably be more effective; exactly how to do that depends on how sata_sil is being loaded06:13
Kamionkoroshiya: all Ubuntu mirrors have the source06:13
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Kamionwell, all sourceful mirrors anyway :) I guess we might've accumulated one or two binary-only mirrors, but archive.ubuntulinux.org definitely has the source06:14
NonphasisKamion, it just seems that the stuff comes from initrd06:14
k3vb0tis it possible to install Ubuntu in a dual boot with Windows 2k? 06:14
NonphasisKamion, blacklisting stuff in hotplug might be too late...06:14
KamionNonphasis: /etc/mkinitrd/modules and re-mkinitrd then06:14
k3vb0tDoes the installation give you that option?06:14
koroshiyaKamion, thnx :)06:14
KamionNonphasis: or some kind of mkinitrd hack06:14
Kamionk3vb0t: worked for me last time I tried it with XP; it's not so much an option ...06:15
NonphasisKamion, new info, I'll look into it06:15
k3vb0tKamion: then during the install how do I insure it doesn't write over my 2k install?06:15
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Kamionk3vb0t: resize beforehand using partition magic or whatever06:16
Kamionk3vb0t: then select "manual partitioning" during the Ubuntu install06:16
k3vb0tKamion: and go from there? ...sounds good. I can do that. (Relative newb, but I've done a few distros before... all desktop OS's though)06:16
k3vb0tI'm gonna go give this a shot. Thanks.06:17
koroshiyaif i wanted to build the ubuntu modified gnome on any other distro, just to get the famous "Computer" menu, what component of gnome should I build? 06:18
Nonphasishmm, mxinitrd doesn't seem to have any direct way to do it06:18
Nonphasisperhaps I'll just delete the .ko files :)06:18
Nonphasisdamn, wont work either06:18
koroshiyai'm like, i'll download the gnome-desktop 06:18
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Nonphasishmm.... would Ubuntu work with one of the kernel-image's from debian?06:23
obafter removing the bloated crapfest that is OOo and installing gnomeoffice, ubuntu is now... perfect.06:23
obwell, when XOrg is included.  that too.06:23
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guptanwhere can I get help about nVidia graphic cards in Ubuntu?06:29
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LinuxJonesguptan, what problems are you having ?06:31
guptanLinuxJones: I wud like to have higher resolution06:32
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LinuxJonesguptan, you can re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select higher resolutions.06:33
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bronsonIs there any way to get the installer to install the base system WITHOUT successfully partitioning the disks?06:33
bronsonEvery time I try to select "install base packages" it takes me to the partitioner.06:33
guptanLinuxJones: but I'm not getting right kind of refresh rates, and screen is kind of jittering06:33
Treenaksbronson: no, you need to partition the disk first, because that's where you select which partitions to use06:33
Treenaksbronson: you can also select 'don't format' for some partitions if you lik06:34
bronsonTreenaks: Right.  The disk is partitioned fine.06:34
bronsonProblem is, then they won't be used.06:34
Treenaksbronson: you have to use the partitioner to tell the installer which partition to install on06:34
LinuxJonesguptan, you can manually edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file 06:34
dablitzwhat is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive06:35
bronsonTreenaks: yes.  But when I say "Finish and write changes to disk", [Yes]  [No] 06:35
guptanLinuxJones: is there any advantage in having NV display drivers?06:35
bronsonIf I select Yes, I get hit with an error.06:35
Treenaksbronson: just do it..06:35
bronsonIf I select No, it bumps me back a screen.06:35
LinuxJonesguptan, under the Monitor Section06:35
Treenaksbronson: what error?06:35
LinuxJonesguptan, I like the drivers from NVidia06:36
bronson"This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout!  Parted can't resize this (yet)."06:36
bronsonUnder the title "Not yet implemented!"06:36
LinuxJonesguptan, ar eyou using the nv drivers now ?06:36
guptanLinuxJones: I can see horizontal and vertical values. But in the screen resolution menu, it shows somethinge like 61Hz.06:36
Treenaksbronson: you might want to remove the partitions and re-create them then06:36
bronsonNothing needs to be resized, so I'm not quite sure why it's trying to...06:36
bronsonI just did.06:36
Treenaksbronson: did you select 'format this partition' from the partitioner menu?06:37
bronsonThis is a work computer, so I can't touch hda1 and hda4.06:37
guptanLinuxJones: no, I haven't installed nv drivers for ubuntu now. But I saw nv working in Gnoppix (I saw the NV logo while booting)06:37
Treenaksbronson: and a mount point?06:37
LinuxJonesguptan, are you sure you know what refresh rate your monitor can handel @ the resolution that you have set ?06:37
bronsonTreenaks: yep.  hda3 on / and hda6 on /home.  hda5 is swap.06:37
Treenaksbronson: dont knwo then, sorry06:38
bronsonIt's an odd layout because I can't touch hda1 and hda4 but it should be perfectly fine.06:38
guptanLinuxJones: it was working fine in SuSE, configured with sax2.06:38
LinuxJonesguptan, the nv drivers provide basic support for nvidia chipsets. The drivers from NVidia will give you 3D capabilities which you might want to have.06:38
bronsonSo, there's no way for me to install Ubuntu????06:38
LinuxJonesguptan, have a look @ this >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto06:38
Treenaksbronson: there probably is, but I don't really know the installer06:39
LinuxJonesguptan, follow the instructions to install the pre-compiled NVidia driver.06:39
peacemaker885sorry for this delayed reaction, but there's so much ado with the new 'theme' and I have not seen it personally. is there like a screenshot of it somewhere?06:39
bronsonTreenaks: any idea where I'd go to find out?  Nothing on the wiki, faq or bugzilla.06:39
Treenaksbronson: here..06:39
guptanthanks LinuxJones 06:39
bronsonTreenaks: here, irc?06:39
deFryskbronson, did you tell the partitioner what fs to use ?06:40
LinuxJonesguptan, no problem. GL ;)06:40
Treenaksor ask on the mailing list06:40
bronsondeFrysk: yep06:40
guptanLinuxJones: is it the same binary from nv site?06:40
bronsondeFrysk: told it to "keep and use the existing data" on both partitions.06:40
deFryskbronson, and formatted them ?06:40
bronsonThe Ubuntu installer errors out when it tries to format them.06:40
bronsonSo I booted a Gentoo disk to format them.06:41
bronsonNow that they're formatted and ready to go, I can't convince the Ubuntu installer to install on them.06:41
deFryskyou assigned an / ?06:41
deFryskand a swap ?06:41
sladenbronson: can you describe your problem in more detail06:41
LinuxJonesguptan, it's the latest pre-compiled (by Ubuntu) driver from the driver latest driver release from Nvidia. It is very easy to install this way.06:42
bronsonBooted Ubuntu installer.  Because it's a work computer, I can't touch partitions hda1 and hda4 (Windows and Recovery partitions)06:42
guptanLinuxJones: ok06:42
sladenbronson: ok06:42
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bronsonSORRY.  hda1 is windows, hda2 is recovery (but it's at the end of the disk).06:43
bronsonSo, hda3 is / and hda4 is logical containing hda5 swap and hda6 /home06:43
guptanLinuxJones: btw, can u give me a link to working Mplayer packages for ubuntu06:43
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bronsonNow, when I tried to format the partitions using the Ubuntu installer, it bails out with a really uninformative error.06:44
bronsonSo, no problem, right?  Just boot Gentoo, format the partitions, then finish Ubuntu.06:44
bronsonWhich I did.06:44
LinuxJonesguptan, sure give me a sec06:44
bronsonSo, I'm back in Ubuntu with the partitions ready to go.  I tell it to use #3 as /, #5 as swap and #6 as home.06:45
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bronson#3 and #6 are marked "keep and use existing data"06:45
bronsonSo it should be all ready to go.06:45
Mitariolo everyone06:45
LinuxJonesguptan, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats06:45
bronsonNow, when I say "finish partitioning", it asks "write these changes to disk?"06:46
bronsonWhen I click "yes", I get the error message above.06:46
dablitzwhat is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive06:46
bronsonWhen I click "no" it bumps me back to the partitioner.06:46
Treenaksdablitz: man fstab!06:46
bronson(error: "parted can't resize this yet")06:46
LinuxJonesguptan, mplayer is in the ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat repository06:46
bronsonBut it shouldn't be resizing anything!!!  I told it to leave all the data alone.06:46
Treenaksbronson: what if you don't tell it anything about the windows/restore partitions?06:47
bronsonSo, how do I skip the partition step and tell it to install packages/06:47
Kamionbronson: there's a bug somewhere in partman about that, yeah; it's been reported, and seems to be harmless to the data on those partitions06:47
guptanLinuxJones: I think I missed whole wiki06:47
Kamionbronson: #3 as / and "keep and use existing data" are logically inconsistent, by the way06:47
Kamionbronson: the partition you designate as / is going to get scribbled over big-time06:47
LinuxJonesguptan, it is a very good read ;)06:48
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bronsonKamion: right, but I just now formatted /.  It's empty.06:48
Solkarisgreetings all06:48
bronsonUbuntu should scribble on it all it wants.06:48
LinuxJoneshi Solkaris06:48
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Kamionbronson: frankly easier to let the Ubuntu partitioner format it, but anyway.06:49
bronsonKamion: I tried!06:49
Kamionbronson: were the partitions cleanly unmounted? how were they formatted?06:49
bronsonKamion: it's buggy.06:49
Kamion17:44 < bronson> Now, when I tried to format the partitions using the Ubuntu installer, it bails out with a really uninformative error.06:49
Kamionwhich error was that?06:49
Kamionsorry if you said it above and I missed it06:49
bronsonKamion: Yes, they were cleanly unmounted.  I formatted them using a Gentoo boot disk.06:49
KamionIIRC somebody posted a workaround, let me go look06:50
Kosaibronson: You formatted /.?  That's like killing Kenny.06:50
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KosaiOnly infinitely more morally acceptible.06:50
bronsonKamion: iirc, it gives a red screen and says "partitioning failed"...  I'll reproduce it if you want more detail.06:50
bronsonKosai: no, I formatted hda3 which is destined to be /.  :)06:50
Kamionbronson: there may be more detail in /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/partman (note, the latter is insanely verbose)06:51
Kamionanyway, let me dig in my bug reports06:51
LinuxJonesbronson, did you have any reiser v4 partitions ?06:51
Kosaibronson: But I can't make a dumb slashdot joke out of /dev/hda3.06:51
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bronsonLinuxJones: nope.  ext3 all the way here.06:52
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guptanHow can I stop Ubuntu from checking my FAT32 partition for errors? Every time I write something to FAT32(which I used to share date between win and linux) from windows next time on reboot ubuntu stops showing disk error and I am forced to reformat FAT32 volume. Any workaround?06:52
bronsonKamion: ok, here's the error when I try to let Ubuntu format the partitions: "The ext3 file system creation in partition #3 of IDE1 master (hda) failed."06:53
bronsonKamion: I'll check the logs.06:53
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LinuxJonesguptan, edit the /etc/fstab and add 0 0 in the last 2 entries for your windows partition.06:53
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bronsonErr....  How can I read those?06:53
Kamionbronson: can you run 'parted /dev/discs/disc0/disc' on tty2, and run 'check 3' and 'check 6' in that?06:53
Kamionnano -v <file>06:54
bronsonmore is totally brain dead, and there's no less or vi...06:54
bronsonKamion: thanks06:54
LinuxJonesguptan, they are set to check that disk partition, make them 0 0.06:54
guptanLinuxJones: okay, let me try that.06:54
bronsonKamion: "The ext2 filesystem passed a basic check.  For a more comprehensive check, use the e2fsck program."06:55
LinuxJonesguptan, don't add 0 0 just change the existing values.06:55
Kamionalso, 'e2fsck /dev/discs/disc0/part3' and the same for part6 may be helpful06:55
bronsonKamion: it better.  I just formatted it.  :)06:55
guptanLinuxJones: got it06:55
bronsonKamion: no, they're fine.06:55
Kamionbronson: there are rumours of filesystems created in FC2 having ext2 features set that parted doesn't understand; Gentoo may be the same06:56
ninkendowhy would ubuntu set pass to nonzero on a fat partition anyway?06:56
Kamionninkendo: it doesn't any more?06:56
bronsonKamion: the problem is not with the data in the partitions.06:56
bronsonThey mount just fine.06:56
bronsonThe problem is getting the Gentoo installer to use them.06:56
Kamionbronson: right, I know, but parted occasionally sucks06:56
bronsonKamion: you're telling me.  :)06:57
Kamionhey, I have to deal with the bug reports ;)06:57
bronsonSO, the partitons are fine, the partition map is fine.06:57
bronsonHow do I install on them?06:57
KamionI'm totally puzzled about why creating the partition from scratch failed, though06:57
Kamionlet's see ...06:57
bronsonKamion: it's an oddball partition layout (where #2 is at the end of the disk) and something is choking on it.06:58
Kamionoh, I didn't see that bit06:58
Kamionit is in theory possible to bypass partman completely, but you have to know partman very well, and stuff later may fail06:59
bronsonIt's a bug somewhere in the Ubuntu installer that I worked around by partitioning and formatting in Gentoo.06:59
bronsonNo problem.  I'll run that risk.06:59
Kamionit'll be in parted06:59
Telepis there any sensible way to get GTK# on Ubuntu?06:59
raphaHi all!06:59
raphaTelep: yes, install it :-)06:59
raphaSomebody's made packages for all things mono::07:00
Teleprapha: the gtk-sharp package doesn't seem to be available07:00
rapha(I'm sure Kamion remembers the repository URL, *ahem, cough cough*)07:00
Kamionbronson: so, the step that failed was "Checking the file system in <blah>", right?07:00
Kamionrapha: no idea actually :)07:00
tsenghow about searching the mailing lists for mono07:00
TelepI've installed all the other Mono stuff07:00
Telepbut gtk-sharp seems to be missing07:01
tsengits not missing, its libgtk-cil07:01
raphaYeah, searching the mailing lists will do. 07:01
Telepwell I have, but didn't figure that out... thanks tseng :)07:01
bronsonKamion: well, when?07:01
bronsonWhen using the ubuntu installer to do the partition?07:01
bronsonOr trying to get the installer to skip partitioning?07:02
Kamionbronson: when you tried to tell it just to mount those partitions and keep and use existing data07:02
bronsonLet me try right now...07:02
bronsonseems to be working now...???07:03
Kamionmaybe the fsck jogged it into action07:03
Kamionis it installing the base system happily, then?07:03
bronson"the attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in IDE1 mater, partition #3 () at / failed."07:04
bronsonIt's a different error this time.07:04
bronsonBefore it was complaining about being unable to resize the partition.07:04
Teleptseng: but I still need something else to be able to develop gtk# apps, no?07:04
tsengsuch as?07:04
tsengthats a pretty open question07:05
bronsonI think I have an idea what's going on...07:05
bronsonIs this devfs or udev?07:05
bronson(inside /dev)07:05
Kamionfor somewhat historical reasons07:06
Kamion*mounting* it failed?07:06
bronsonyep.  Ok, devfs has completely tanked my partition map.07:06
Kamionyou don't already have it mounted, do you?07:06
bronson(I mean confused by it, not corrupting it)07:06
Kamionuh, that sounds like the wrong layer; could you explain?07:06
Kamiondevfs is just what the kernel thinks of your partition map07:06
Teleptseng: well, a gtk-sharp developer package or something. When trying to compile a simple Hello World app all I get is "hello.cs(8) error CS0246: Cannot find type `Window'"07:07
Kamion/dev/discs/disc0/part1 is no different from /dev/hda1, really07:07
bronsonKamion: inside /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0, I have "disc" and "part1"07:07
bronsoncfdisk on "disc" works fine.07:07
bronsonShows all partitions correctly.07:07
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bronsonBut, I assume, I should have part2-6 in here too...07:07
bronsonThey're missing.07:07
Kamionbronson: then the kernel is confused by your partition map, not devfs)07:08
Teleptseng: And as far as I've understood, I think I need a package called "gtk-sharp", which isn't available in the same repository as the rest of the Mono stuff.07:08
bronsonKamion: no, devfs is confused by the partition map.07:08
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Kamiondevfs is what the kernel sees07:08
Kamionit's part of the kernel07:08
bronsonIt's a particularly broken and obsolete portion of the kernel.07:08
georgiaanyone know where i can get a ppc java that will work in ubuntu for running things like azureus and buttress?07:08
Kamionsure, but in this case I don't believe that it's possible for its idea to differ07:09
bronsonBet you anything that if I mknod the proper device files, things will work fine.07:09
bronsonOr, at least, fix devfs's breakage...07:09
Kamionif you watch the installer startup very carefully, you should see it listing the partitions on each device07:09
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raphaA friend is just trying to install Ubuntu on his notebook. He boots from CD, presses Enter, then "something loads" and then "my screen goes black and stays black". What should he do?07:10
Kamionmay have to use ctrl-s to pause it (ctrl-q to restart)07:10
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bronsonI don't see anything about it in dmesg.07:10
bronsonGuess I'll have to reboot.07:10
ezahnhi all!07:11
KamionOct  9 23:51:21 cairhien kernel:  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac]  p1 p207:11
Kamionp3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 p12 p13 p14 p15 p16 p1707:11
Kamionfor example07:11
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ezahni installed ubuntu in a compaq laptop07:11
Kamionthink it looks a bit different on i38607:12
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ezahnand while booting it displays some errors07:12
raphaDoes isolinux let you edit the kernel command line? (Does the Ubuntu installer work without framebuffer?)07:12
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ezahnpciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100107:12
ezahnshpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100107:12
Treenaks /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p407:12
Kamionrapha: you can stick arbitrary parameters after "linux"07:12
ezahnaby ideas? tnx!07:12
Kamionrapha: "linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false"07:12
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raphaAaah okay07:13
Kamionrapha: should be documented in one of the help screens off the function keys07:13
raphaThat easily07:13
raphaThanks Kamion07:13
ezahnthis morning i had problems with ethernet: thanks to your support now i'm fine and connected!07:13
Kamionrapha: not-entirely-ASCII languages will look a bit crap, but ...07:13
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bronsonKamion: I can't do it.07:14
raphaKamion: Well, German...07:14
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bronsonIt goes by too quick for me to ctl-S it, and by the time I can run dmesg, all the autodetection has pushed the first boot messages out of the ring buffer.07:14
Kamionrapha: umlauted letters and the scharfes-s may be corrupted07:14
raphaKamion: I don't think that'll be a show-stopper.07:15
Kamionhang on, let me burn a CD here07:15
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rapha(Wondering why though, I never had a problem with that on the console)07:15
Kamionrapha: most graphics cards are fine, I think one or two aren't07:15
raphaKamion: Well, doesn't seem to be the problem for him: he's still getting a black screen07:16
topylithere are almost no languages except english that can do with ascii. incidentally :)07:16
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Kamiontopyli: not many; Indonesian's the one that springs to mind07:18
Treenaksdutch, 99%07:19
topylirapha, Kamion: utf will save the world. all the world's children, use utf-8!07:19
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Kamiontopyli: hence why we'll be moving to it by default eventually07:19
topylivery cool07:20
jordihopeflly Hoary is utf-8 by default07:20
Kamiontopyli: there are still Han unification problems in China/Japan languages, though07:20
Kamioner, s/ languages//07:20
raphatopyli: A friend of mine has a different opinion: "This crappy UTF-8-shit, can't stand it".07:20
raphaLucky me I'm not my friend.07:20
bronsonOK, something about Ubuntu's kernel is broken.  I installed Gentoo on this exact setup last week, and Debian a few months ago.07:20
bronsonBut I can't figure it out.07:20
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jordirapha: he probably mixes non-UTF-8 and utf-8 environments :)07:20
bronsonGuess I'll have to go back to Gentoo.07:20
topylirapha: i could do with latin-1 or latin-9 but that's just plain selfish07:20
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topyliand mail and news is still a problem07:21
bronsonKamion: thanks for the help.  I'll check back when Ubuntu ditches devfs.07:21
topyliand samba/win98 :)07:21
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jorditopyli: just being able to read your hebrew and chinese spam correctly pays07:22
jordiVietnamese characters are cool07:22
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topylijordi: i hate when my spam is illegible!07:22
Kamionbronson: I *really* doubt that's the problem; it'll be the kernel's disklabel-handling code if anything.07:22
Kamionbronson: but that's well out of my field of expertise, sadly07:22
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raphaWell, they're mostly like German ones, just more accents and stuff07:22
raphaOld-style-vietnamese is more like Chinese though07:22
raphaBut not used anymore except in calligraphy07:23
topylii need food. going to make an excursion in the depths of The Fridge07:23
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bronsonKamion: that may be true.  Somewhere the Ubuntu kernel is failing where Gentoo and Debian don't.  Beyond that I can't say myself.07:23
Kamiontopyli: (basically, the Simplified-Chinese/Traditional-Chinese/Japanese characters with approximately similar meanings and etymology got glommed together into one Unicode glyph each, which apparently isn't always quite accurate)07:23
__randy__bronson, what is it doing?07:24
raphaKamion: is there anything my friend can do about the black screen he gets from the installer, even with framebuffer disabled?07:24
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topyliKamion: hmm. i'm quite confident that technology (ie computers being american and not able to show sane characters) is the main reason why bad english is the official language of the internet :)07:25
Kamionrapha: try the various vga= options, maybe; I have a laptop that needs vga=771 for the screen not to overflow at the bottom07:25
bronson__randy__: it gets confused about my partition map.  There's quit a bit of discussion in the logs.07:25
raphaKamion: Okay07:25
raphaWill take some time now, he's gone to his driving lesson07:25
bronsonWhat about bootstrapping Ubuntu with Knoppix?  I remember that worked for Debian when their installer was having issues...07:25
Kamionbronson: you could certainly try using the install-via-chroot technique07:26
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jordiseb128: btw, I installed RC today, and saw a few English items in the Computer menu. :|07:26
jordiHow can I send updates for those?07:26
topylismoke, then eat. wish me luck :)07:26
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Kamionbronson: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html, although the conversion of that documentation from Debian to Ubuntu is raw and pretty untested07:27
seb128jordi: #94107:27
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seb128jordi: you have the list of strings to translate here07:27
mteiraI'd like to comment a problem with you.07:28
mteiraUbuntu related, of course.07:28
jordiI really can't get used to the stylesheet in the ubuntu webpages07:28
raphaWhat's so bad about it jordi?07:28
mteiraIt seems some problem with dhal, but a lot of apps say that hald is not working.07:28
mteiraIt's running, anyway.07:28
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jordidamn shity07:29
jordiThe Catalan patch in #941 is fucked07:29
mteiraWhen I insert a CD, Nautilus doesn't launch a new window.07:29
mteiraThe device manager also complains about being not able to talk with hald.07:29
mteiraI mean hald.07:30
mteiraAny idea?07:30
mteiraOf what is happening?07:30
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mteiraps says that hald is in state Ds07:32
LinuxJonesmteira, that means the process has been locked by the kernel. It might clear itself after a few mins.07:34
georgiaanyone know where i can get a ppc java that will work in ubuntu for running things like azureus and buttress?07:34
mteiraLinuxJones: It happens all the time.07:34
LinuxJonesmteira, this a new install ?07:35
mteiraLinuxJones: No. But I've updated it everyday.07:35
mteiraLinuxJones: I have two machines running ubuntu, the two are updated.07:35
mteiraLinuxJones: I'm suffering this behaviour only in one of them.07:36
mteiraLinuxJones: With a -k7 kernel.07:36
topyliahhh... found potatoes, meat sauce and bushmills whiskey. my lady rocks!07:36
mteiraThe machine is neither able to power down automatically.07:37
LinuxJonesmteira,  if the problem persists you could try the 386 kernel to see if the problem goes away. 07:37
mteiraLinuxJones: I'm goint to do that just now.07:37
jordiseb128: how do you translate Network place in French?07:38
jordior Computer place?07:38
mteiraAnother strange problem.07:38
jordiShould it be quoted?07:38
mteiraWhen i restart the machine, without power down it, grub stages lasts ages to pass.07:39
jordiIe "Vs al lloc "Ordinador"?07:39
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seb128jordi: "Poste de travail"07:39
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tolahi, I posted on the ubuntu-users list "System rendered unbootable!" and I need some help. This could be an Ubuntu bug, but I want to check it's not me first.07:41
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tolaAfter installing Ubuntu I get "GRUB Hard Disk Error" and the machine won't boot07:42
tolaI let Ubuntu partition the hard disk itself07:42
mteiraLinuxJones: It happened also with the 386 kernel.07:43
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mteiraLinuxJones: It was after pluggin in a USB scanner.07:43
guptanAnybody experiencing slowness in ubuntu mirrors(EU)?07:43
mteiraLinuxJones: I fired xsane, that is now in 'D' state, and so is hald and [khubd] 07:44
LinuxJonesmteira, you have some wonky hardware issues with your box. Can you re-start /etc/init.d/hotplug ?07:44
jordiseb128: not too useful, but anyway07:44
jordiupdate sent07:44
jordigotta raelly go now07:44
mteiraLinuxJones: Humm, now with the 'D' processes, don't think it will be useful.07:45
mteiraLinuxJones: But I can try07:45
LinuxJonesmteira, ya probably. Can you try moving your scanner to the other machine ?07:45
theantixtola: do you have two+ hard disks in your machine?07:46
mteira /etc/init.d/hotplug restart hungs on :07:46
dmzeni'm having trouble getting openoffice to recognize any of my address books as datasources07:46
mteira * Running usb.rc...07:46
tolatheantix: no, just one plugged in07:46
mteiraLinuxJones: This also happens if I start the machine with the scanner plugged in.07:46
mteiraLinuxJones: I'm going to try that.07:46
theantixtola: is your hard disk connected to the primary ide?07:47
danielsmteira: does your system hang for ages if you start with the scanner plugged in?07:47
danielsmteira: if so, then you've hit https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=192307:47
mteiradaniels: Yes.07:48
dmzeni've tried the installed evolution, thunderbird, and mozilla07:48
tolatheantix: yes07:48
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mteiraWell, on this other machine, xsane is also stopped.07:49
mteiraBut not in 'D' state.07:49
mteiraNeither hald.07:49
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mteiraBut, anyway, I was not able to use it.07:49
tolatheantix: any other ideas? :S07:50
mteiraI'm also able to do a cat /proc/bus/usb/devices on this machine.07:50
mteiraBut xsane refuses to work.07:50
theantixtola: my google investigation suggests that it might be a problem with a buggy BIOS -- perhaps you could flash that somehow?07:50
mteiraAnyway the scanner doesn't produces the same problem.07:51
mteiraOh, I remember.07:51
tolatheantix: could this be the case if lilo coped fine with booting a Knoppix hdd installation? I've not had problems before.07:51
mteiraxsane gets in that state because I have configured the net backend.07:51
mteiraSo, it's trying to connect to the sane server on the ill machine.07:51
theantixtola: another suggestion is to make sure "virus protection" is turned off in the bios (to allow writing to the mbr)07:52
mteiraBut it's working here.07:52
theantixtola: if you check google for that error message, there are dozens of people who report lilo working and grub giving that error message07:52
tolatheantix: oh right, I'll have a look. Thanks.07:53
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adamsjw2Hi all, may I ask a sound related question here?07:53
Tomcat_If it's Ubuntu sound related, then yes.07:53
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mteiraThe working computer has a uhci_hcd module loaded, the bad one, the ohci_hcd.07:54
adamsjw2Yes it us ubuntu related and thanks.07:54
mikeXhello, where can i find more packages for ubuntu [than the ones in the cdrom] ?07:54
tolahmm, someone in #ubuntu suggests my problem could be a buggy bios07:54
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sabdflmikeX: there are tons online07:54
sabdflif your ubuntu computer has networking configured, then you should just be able to use synaptic or aptitude and install more07:55
mteiraWhen it starts, it says something like: ohci_hcd 0000:00:07.4: AMD756 erratum 4 workaround07:55
punkass__mikeX: turn on the repositories in sytaptic07:55
adamsjw2I just installed and the system sound was detected at install. The login sound played. However when I tried to listen to an internet radio station with Rhythmbox, it caused the sound to no longer work.07:55
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mteiraI've read looking for this problem, that perhaps pci=noacpi acpi=noirq could help.07:57
mteiraI'm going to try07:57
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mikeXsabdfl, ok, but where? i added the german mirror to my sources.list but got nothing more07:58
mikeXpunkass, oh, ic, will do07:58
adamsjw2Sorry, got kicked. Any replies about my sound problem while I was away? If so please resend.Thx07:59
mikeXsabdfl, sorry, i missed punkass__'s message07:59
bronsonOK, installing from knoppix ain't too bad...  so far.07:59
bronsonShould I write this up on the wiki or somewhere?07:59
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mteiraHumm, this time it started with the scanner plugged in.08:01
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dmzenHi everybody, i posted earlier. problem registering my email addressbooks as datasources in openoffice. I think it's ubuntu-related.08:02
dmzenCould it be a file-permission problem related to ubunt's lack of root?08:02
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dablitzi am really having a hard time. can i ge some help mounting a drive08:11
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dablitzits a windows drive. and i cannot seem to get it to mount. is there something in the fstab that i need to put that i do not have there08:12
punkass__adansjw2: try running: gstreamer-properties08:13
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punkass__adamsjw2: see above and then chage Output to Alsa08:13
dmzendablitz: is there a line for your windows drive in your fstab file08:14
dablitz/dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults         1      208:14
punkass__dablitz: do you have the ntfs package installed?08:15
dablitzi don't know08:15
werewolfHi, I've problem compiling mplayer on powerpc, now I'm recompiling, so i lost the errors. Before getting crazy there is anyone who succesfully compiled MPlayer with ubuntu/ppc?08:16
punkass__dablitz: i believe ubuntu has a ntfs package...search for ntfs in synatpic08:16
dablitzok thanks08:16
georgiawerewolf: havent tried, want me to give it a shot?08:17
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werewolfgeorgia: yes, thanks08:19
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georgia1.0 pre5?08:20
georgiaor a daily snapshot?08:20
werewolfgeorgia: I tried both 1.0 pre5 and CVS08:20
georgiaok, trying 1.0 pre508:20
werewolfgeorgia: thanks08:21
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georgiawell, configure went ok, make is running now08:24
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lobo_nzI just updated ubuntu using dselect and now gnome dosn't seem to start and is stuck on the naked people loading screen - X is running and my mouse still works, where should I look to find out whats wrong?08:30
georgiawerewolf: still running make here, i'm going afk for a couple of minutes, if you want to hang around (be 5 mins at most)08:31
topylilobo_nz: create a new user and see if they can log in. it could be gnome-session trouble or something. (just guessing)08:31
lobo_nzok, thanks08:31
werewolfgeorgia: I'm commpiling too, now with gcc-3.408:31
aardvarkjust got ubuntu installed and must say it looks purrty08:31
aardvarkhad a bad iso burnt image08:31
aardvarkthe darn install kept on getting stuck on vim-common08:32
aardvarkcould not get further08:32
aardvarkalas being debian08:32
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aardvarkI started over with custom install08:32
aardvarkdid base server install, worked fine08:32
aardvarkthen just added xfree86 and gnome08:33
aardvarkBAM! got a desktop install !08:33
aardvarkI am thinking aloud here!08:33
topyliaardvark: there's also a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop :)08:33
aardvarkhahaha topyli thanks08:34
topylitoo late i guess =)08:34
aardvark;-) live and learn08:34
werewolftopyli: ye, but i think that ubunu-artwork are very ugly...08:34
aardvarkthe nekkid people kinda shocked me!08:34
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topyliwerewolf: i must disagree. i hate the blue plastic metal machine look that everybody has. this is earthly08:35
aardvarkI thought the default was a blue theme ?08:35
topylino. it's brownish08:35
aardvarkits earthy alright08:35
georgiawerewolf: didnt build cleanly here for me, build errors on yuv2rgb.c08:36
werewolfgeorgia: me too for the pre508:36
Pizbit|trey|: The playlist style of amaroK is like what you want I think.08:36
georgiamight be better finding a .deb and installing from that08:37
|trey|Pizbit: But KDE isn't supported  :/08:37
danielskde isn't supported, but it does work.08:37
werewolfgeorgia: I got an error (lost ): with CVS+gcc-3.3, now, I'm trying pre5+gcc-3.408:37
|trey|Maybe Novell Linux Desktop will have it?08:37
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|trey|daniels: hasn't even occured to me to try  :/08:38
Pizbit|trey|: All ya need is some libs.08:38
georgiaokies, i found packages for 1.0pre5 if you want the url08:38
daniels|trey|: once you apt-get install it, it works OK08:38
|trey|Why have 2 desktops?08:38
daniels|trey|: a fair few people in here have done it08:38
|trey|One user... this is my usual default  :/08:38
aardvark|trey|, good question08:39
daniels|trey|: we modify and support GNOME to be compliant with our look and feel.  but some people like KDE as well, so as a reflection of that, it's possible to install and use it through 'universe'.08:39
topyli|trey|: you don't have 2 desktops. just a (big) bunch of libs. i installed k3b and suffered the download, all is fine08:39
danielswhile it's unsupported, we don't want to completely leave KDE users out in the cold; especially (as topyli just mentioned) people who still use single apps like K3b or such08:39
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werewolfgeorgia: .deb for ubuntu/ppc?08:40
|trey|hmm, calc is in here a lot... if he's using Ubuntu, he might be willing to accept patches etc...08:40
georgiait's a ppc .deb, not specific for ubuntu though08:40
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Livewirewhat (important things) has changed from the preview to Ubuntu RC ?08:41
georgiathey're here if you want them http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/08:41
danielsLivewire: many bugs were squashed and subtle improvements made08:41
danielsLivewire: lots of little tweaks08:41
topyliLivewire: nudity! outrage! religious wars!08:42
werewolfgeorgia: I know that site08:42
Livewireive got a fast conn, i could download the iso rather than do a webupdate.. but is it worth doing that? has enough changed08:42
Livewirei assume i can add the newer cd as an update source into synaptic08:43
lobo_nztopyli: Made a new user and that got me further, I now have a GConf error about no databases to save my configuration - and another error about the gnome-panel attempting to change something that my system vendor does not allow08:43
werewolfLivewire: try the daily snapshot08:43
topylilobo_nz: hmm. when did you last update before this?08:43
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lobo_nztopyli: first time it was an iso from a week or so ago08:44
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topylilobo_nz: i'm pretty sure it's gconf or gnome-session daemon08:45
topylikill them, purge /tmp and do all sorts of desperate stuff :)08:45
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|trey|lobo_nz: what did you do to make it say that?08:45
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werewolfgeorgia: damn! gcc-3.4 && pre5 doesn't work08:46
lobo_nztopyli: I have a right click menu on the desktop but no menus, I'll try your suggestions or as I have not configured anything yet use the latest iso, thanks08:46
topylilobo_nz: be warned that i don't know what i'm talking about08:46
gniijust wanted to state an opinion.. 08:46
georgiatry the .debs then werewolf08:46
lobo_nz|trey|: installed it from an older iso then updated it08:46
gniiI LOVE ubuntu.. but that splash screen needs to go .. it is so cheesy it is untrue08:46
|trey|lobo_nz: just burn a copy of the RC right quick  :/08:47
werewolfgeorgia: already tryed when I installed debian, but doesn't work well, some .avi are payed very ugly08:47
topylignii: make it go then :)08:47
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georgiatried vlc?08:47
Livewiregnii - u mean the login ? i like it myself08:47
lobo_nz|trey|: Done, thanks08:47
gniitopyli: Thats exactly what I'm trying to do by voicing my opinion here08:47
Livewirethe only visual gripe i have, is the lack of extra wall papers08:48
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gniiLivewire: It's well executed and well meaning but it's really cheesy08:48
topylignii: yes. but first, you can change it on your box. who uses defaults anyway?08:48
gniiLivewire: If I wanted a beneton computer I'd stick a jumper on it08:48
|trey|Such simularaties...08:48
topylignii: except i have the defaults, waiting for the final release and then see what the defaults will be :)08:48
Livewirebtw any good sites to get wallpapers off?08:49
|trey|Even with Xandros, Linspire etc... all want good corporate Debian.08:49
gniitoplyi: the feedback is to suggest that it *maybe* shouldn't be the default 08:49
topyliLivewire: gnome-look.org08:49
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topylignii: sure, and the mailing list has a BIG debate going on as well.08:49
werewolfgeorgia: apt-getting08:50
gniiLivewire: The point is that it will date very, very quickly and it has the subtlety of a mallet to the head08:50
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gniitoplyi: would that be a better place to voice an opinion then?08:50
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georgiai quite like vlc and find it plays some avi files better than mplayer, definitely worth a shot anyway werewolf08:50
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Mikelevelany spanish user?08:50
gniitoplyi: if so I apologies for noting it here08:51
Livewiregnii: what will date quickly? a login screen is a login screen08:51
josejavierMikelevel, prueba en ubuntu-es08:51
topylignii: dunno, it's gone pretty chaotic. in here, everybody's pretty tired of it. i guess the message is through and people are thinking08:51
|trey|I didn't really like kvlc... didn't appear to play w32codecs  :/08:51
gniiLivewire: marketing messages aren't login screens08:51
aardvarkvlc is a good allround codec multiplayer08:51
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Livewiregnii: i dont know what you are on about to be honest08:52
gniiLivewire: then marketing doesn't work on you .. you're an exception08:52
Livewiregnii: marketing is good anyway .. i'd rather people used Ubuntu than M$08:52
gniiLivewire: You see a pretty picture, if thats the majority view then I'm the one in the minority08:52
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georgiai see a pretty picture of pretty people looking pretty cosy08:53
|trey|aardvark: pretty much anything is better then gstreamer right now... -ffmpeg should be better, Marillat's ffmpeg package has more codecs though... they should be there... in Universe...08:53
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Livewiregnii: each to there own.. its only a login screen though, its not going to destroy your life08:53
gniiLivewire: I see a cheesy bunch of naked people on my screen when I boot up.. I like ubuntu but this aspect jars with my aesthetics. If it becomes the 'point' that everyone talks about and misses how great an operating system it is then it would be a real shame.08:53
daniels|trey|: we cannot legally redistribute them -- they are covered by thousands of patents, and we would get sued the moment we even thought about them.08:54
daniels|trey|: same reason why neither ubuntu nor fedora ships mp3 support.08:54
gniiLivewire: So feedback is unwanted do you think08:54
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daniels|trey|: (or DVD -- same thing)08:54
|trey|daniels: "we're not supporting that" doesn't cover it?  :(08:54
jimiagh why the fatal kernel install error is not fixed with RC ?? :/08:54
topylignii: you are just plain late. all is said already :)08:55
daniels|trey|: we cannot support it due to legal issues; it's not that we want to have as little as possible working out of the box.08:55
gniignii: Oh sorry I didn't see the 'feedback over' sign08:55
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topyliok, rant on08:55
|trey|daniels: make the script go to another repo?08:55
danielsjimi: which 'fatal install error'?08:55
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daniels|trey|: er, that's still a massive legal minefield.08:55
|trey|If its not on Ubuntu's servers, Ubuntu isn't distributing it?08:56
topyli|trey|: good question08:56
|trey|If its bad, remove script.08:56
jimidaniels : when install get an IP (dhcp) in the install process (otherway it does not happen), ubuntu installer cannot install kernel :08:56
danielsno, but if we're distributing a script whose sole purpose is to get these codecs and do nothing else (let alone with our installer ...), then that's still no good.08:56
jimiapt error is about "linux-386" package08:56
jimiunmet dependancies08:56
danielsjimi: what's the specific error?08:56
danielshm, not seen that.  which CD are you using, the RC?08:57
|trey|daniels: but you don't support using the script  :(08:57
danielswe'd need the exact error to debug any further, I'm afraid.08:57
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daniels|trey|: of course not -- we can't.08:57
jimii saw the bug already open on bugzilla08:57
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danielsjimi: hold on a sec08:57
|trey|and you don't support universe?08:57
jimii have the whole debug logs08:57
topylidaniels: is this different from debian msttcorefonts, flash, real installers?08:57
|trey|multiverse would appear to make more sense  :/08:57
gniitopyli: my other question was about noapic, is it something strange about my set that would cause me to have to change grub to boot up?08:58
danielstopyli: yes, because they merely have a licence which states that we can't redistribute it; we're not violating anyone's patents by having people downloda it.08:58
tiagobugarinhow can i get the kernel sources for ubuntu? (universe is on)08:58
danielstopyli: you must download this from our website != you must not use this08:58
daniels|trey|: universe is unsupported08:59
topylignii: it should Just Work. or there's a bug08:59
gniiI had to edit grub to add 'noapic'08:59
|trey|daniels: exactly  :/ 08:59
daniels|trey|: multiverse is for stuff that is unsupported and non-free, but if we can't distribute it due to legal issues, we can't distribute it.  'but it's in multiverse' won't hold up in court when the dvd consortium comes after us.08:59
topylidaniels: ok. mp3 is not real (pun accidental)08:59
|trey|daniels: if its not on Ubuntu's servers, your not distributing it  :/09:00
topylidaniels: we need something like plf is doing for mandrake09:00
daniels|trey|: yes, but if we're distributing a script to download it, then we are saying to people -- 'here, use this tool that we created to violate someone else's patents'09:00
|trey|You're distributing a script that gets it from someplace else  :/09:00
daniels|trey|: yes, and its sole purpose in life is to violate patents09:00
jimii thought it was bug #1419, but it looks different, because mine was during install process (only with network ON)09:01
daniels|trey|: that is no defence09:01
|trey|Debian did it with Flash... thats pretty non-free  :/09:01
daniels|trey|: as I said -- flash is merely 'you must download this from our website'09:01
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|trey|Java says the same thing  :/09:01
gniitoplyi: I got "io-apic timer doesn't work" and the message to add "noapic" to the kernel09:01
daniels|trey|: support for various reverse-engineered codecs is generally akin to 'you may not use this'09:01
|trey|You have to agree to a license  :/09:01
topyli|trey|: non-free is not the problem. "illegal" is different09:01
daniels|trey|: you have to agree to a licence to use Linux -- the GPL/BSD/MIT/etc09:02
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daniels|trey|: macromedia are stating that Flash must be downloaded by them, and by providing the script, we are respecting their wishes09:02
danielss/by them/from their website/09:02
|trey|Java wants each user to sign it  :/09:02
tiagobugarinhow can i get the kernel sources for ubuntu? (universe is on)09:02
gniialso a final general question.. If I've installed 386 ubuntu.. is there a way of migrating over to AMD64 ubuntu instead of just installing over evertythin09:02
vrlntiagobugarin: apt-cache searc linux-source09:02
danielsby having a script to download reverse-engineered codecs or whatever, you are not respecting their wishes -- you're going totally contrary to them.  and that will get us into major legal trouble.09:03
topylignii: no09:03
tiagobugarinvrln: thanks09:03
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daniels|trey|: it's no different from any other licence, really09:03
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|trey|Java + Flash + Codecs = all I use that is not Open, but they are needed imo  :(09:03
jimiso, do i have to fill a bug report?09:03
gniitoplyi: figured.. thanks anyway09:03
topylidaniels: right. copyleft is copyright, and a license is a license is a license. except some licenses are better than others :)09:04
gniiand finally... the nvidia module didn't load automatically on install.. I had to add by hand09:04
gniiis it worth adding this as a bug?09:04
jimii am talking about install process failing :o09:04
ryangI installed ubuntu from some cd the other day and I couldn't log in as root09:05
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vrlnryang: there is no root09:05
jimiroot login is disabled09:05
|trey|Need: Pr0n, Music, Yahoo Games, Flash for Games09:05
vrlnubuntu uses sudo09:05
ryangwant us to use sudo?09:05
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ryangoh, ok09:05
jimithere is a root terminal though09:05
|trey|ryang: sudo -s  8)09:05
ryangwhat's the default pass?09:05
topyliryang: your password with sudo09:06
ryangI know about sudo, but I usually keep a root terminal open in screen09:06
vrlnryang: the password to use sudo is your user accounts password09:06
daniels|trey|: it's this simple: we cannot distribute codecs, full stop.  it's illegal to distribute them, or to have a script to redistribute them, or whatever.  the current arrangement with distribution via a french site is the easiest you're going to get while we're going to get sued for including them, and there's nothing we can do about it.09:06
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ryangnono, i know sudo09:06
ondrejhi all09:06
topyliryang: then in that terminal, do sudo -s and you're root09:06
gniiI've noticed a comment about the nvidia-glx driver needs loading manually in the mailing list09:06
topyliryang: i have no idea why you'd want to do that though :)09:07
danielsgnii: yes, ideally the X driver would load the kernel if required, as with pretty much every other, but unfortunately we can't exactly patch it to do so.09:07
ondrejI just wanted to announce, that I finally plugged archive.ubuntu.CZ into network and just doing sync before I add it to wiki09:07
ryangerm, n/m :P09:07
ryangdun mind me09:07
ryangi usually do a su -09:08
werewolfgeorgia: I dislike vcl, ism't gtk2 and have the same problem of mplayer precompiled09:08
georgiacould it be the actual avi files you're having a problem with, rather than the media player?09:08
|trey|daniels: you use gtk-qt?09:08
gniidaniels: I won't admit to understanding what the problem is but is it something to do with the nvidia binaries being closed?09:08
jayeolais there a method to 'untar' rar files?09:08
ryangjayeola: unrar?09:08
daniels|trey|: i don't use any qt apps right now09:08
LinuxJonesjayeola, you need unrar from a debian repo09:09
daniels|trey|: but even when I did (psi, for jabber), no09:09
|trey|daniels: you were saying I should  :/09:09
danielsgnii: hole in one09:09
daniels|trey|: er, not really09:09
|trey|daniels: thats the way it came over  :/09:09
daniels|trey|: when? where? what?09:09
jayeolathanks LinuxJones 09:10
gniicheer daniels...  09:10
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danielsgnii: no worries09:10
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|trey|daniels: saying about it being in universe  :/  sounded like you wanted me to install it  :/09:12
daniels|trey|: er, no09:12
daniels|trey|: i don't recall having ever mentioned gtk-qt, in any case09:12
|trey|<daniels> |trey|: we modify and support GNOME to be compliant with our look and feel.  but some people like KDE as well, so as a reflection of that, it's possible to install and use it through 'universe'.09:13
dmzencould i submit a general usability comment-question?09:13
|trey|Sounded like you wanted me to  :/09:13
|trey|Cuz I was saying I didn't want it  :/09:14
Pizbit|trey|: English not your first language?09:14
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|trey|Pizbit: English from England.09:14
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dablitzcan someone help me please with my fstab, I am still rather new to linux and would really like to mount this drive09:15
dablitzi get an error saying that only root can mount the drive or /mnt/windows is busy09:17
werewolfyeah! mplayer CVS+gcc-3.4 compiled!09:17
sapdablitz: man fstab09:18
jayeola dablitz are u using this drive right now?09:18
jayeolaif you are then it -will- be busy09:18
sapdablitz: search for "user"09:18
dablitzthere is a lot of information on that drive i would like to burn off then format it to a linux file system09:18
sapdablitz: can you mount it using mount?09:19
jayeolais it a seperate dive, like an external one or a partition, u need to be a bit clearer09:19
jayeoladablitz: mount -l 09:19
sapdablitz: give us the command you are using09:19
dablitzit is a seperate 60 gig drive on the slave of primary ide09:20
jayeoladablitz: mount -l 09:20
dablitzmount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows09:20
dablitzproc on /proc type proc (rw)09:20
dablitzsysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)09:20
dablitzdevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)09:20
dablitztmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)09:20
dablitzusbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)09:20
dablitzi can paste is what i have in my fstab09:21
jayeoladon't paste too much , buddy09:21
jayeolaif you wanna paste loads, join #flood09:21
jayeolaanyways, try fdisk -l also09:21
dablitzthis is in my fstab --->> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,user    1      209:22
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|trey|dablitz: thats all thats in there?09:22
dablitzno there is more for the rest of my system, but i pasted what is in there for my windows drive09:23
|trey|Looks right  :/09:23
sapdablitz: what error message do you get when you run the mount command you pasted above?09:24
jayeolau can past the rest in #flood, that's what it's there for09:24
dablitzsudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows09:24
dablitzmount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy09:24
jayeolamount -l , like i said09:25
sapdablitz: sudo ls /mnt/windows09:25
|trey|Applications and Computer should be different menu's.09:25
sapdablitz: do you get a directory listing if you do this?09:26
|trey|So you can seperate them...09:26
dablitzthe dir is empty09:26
dablitzif I do a sudo ls /mnt/windows09:26
dablitzand jay i already pasted the results of mount -l09:26
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lobo_nztopyli: I just re-installed ubuntu using the latest RC iso and still get the same problem as I did when updating from an old iso - Gnome sits on the naked people screen and does not load09:27
|trey|Foot should have about run and help... Applictions, everything else, Computer whats there now minus things like Screenshot which should be under the foot too...09:27
jayeoladablitz: lemme check, this is an external hdd, right?09:27
|trey|But should be able to move each menu...09:28
|trey|eh, each menu in different applet...09:28
dablitzjay no this is not an external harddrive. just the secondary drive on primary ide09:28
raphaKamion: my friend has tried different vga= settings now but he is still getting the black screen...09:29
topylilobo_nz: sorry, i honestly don't know what's wrong. you should file a bug. do you have some weird hardware in there?09:30
jayeoladablitz: is hdb mentioned in dmesg?09:30
|trey|Desktop Preferences and System Configuration could come out too... would fill top bar... pretty logical...09:30
danielsKamion: *wack*.09:31
danielswrong window :)09:31
lobo_nztopyli: no pretty standard p4 with GeForce 4, the old ubuntu worked fine09:31
topylilobo_nz: then it's surely a bug :(09:31
|trey|And "Recent Documents" could be like I stated foot, but with recent docs at other end...  :)09:32
lobo_nztopyli: thanks for your interest, I will have a go at fixing it by removing and reinstalling stuff09:32
jayeoladablitz: mount /dev/hd[whatever]  /mnt, but do that @ yr own risk09:33
topylilobo_nz: good luck! make sure the developers know about your problem09:33
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|trey|So 6 total applets. 4 Plain Text, 2 Icons.09:34
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lobo_nztopyli: I just did the add another user thing you suggested and have managed to log in sucessfully so all is not lost, if I get more errors I will file a bug if I can figure out whats wrong09:34
raphaMy friend who is trying to install Ubuntu says it goes until it says "Starting system log daemon: syslog klogd" and then the screen goes blankj09:34
topylilobo_nz: great! now you can try and clean up your home dir of all gnome settings (make backups!) and see if you can log in as yourself then...09:35
lobo_nzrapha: My screen dosn't go blank X seems to work fine but I got gnome session errors09:36
topylii'm not sure if it'll help though, but what the hell09:36
lobo_nztopyli: doing that now thanks09:36
jayeoladablitz: ????09:36
raphalobo_nz: He doesn't even get that far. This problem is at install time.09:36
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raphalobo_nz: Shortly after pressing Enter at the isolinux prompt.09:36
lobo_nzrapha: my install was perfect, that sounds like a really bad problem09:37
raphaIt's a complete showstopper, and "linux vga=0" and that kind of stuff don't help.09:37
lupexI just installed Ubuntu on a Toshiba Satellite M30-304. However, it starts XFree at 640x480. I had to tweak some values in XF86Config-4 to make it work at 1280x800. Is there any way to report those changes to integrate them in future Ubuntu releases?09:37
|trey|You would just need to make the foot what redhat uses, but have it be kinda like "other", same for docs, "draw", then whats there now with no icon, but 4, apps comp deskpref config09:37
raphaI told him to try with an external monitor now, since it's a notebook he's trying to install on.09:37
sapdablitz: that's weird09:37
raphalupex: Weren't you able to make the changes using the GNOME utility?09:38
lupexNo, it reported only 640x480.09:38
raphalupex: The resolution change, that is, not your XF86Config changes,09:38
raphaIf you could enter this into bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org, that'd be great.09:38
jayeolalupex: u need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.[blah] 09:38
raphajayeola: Only if he _has_ xorg already.09:39
lupexjayeola, I'll look into it. I've never used xorg.09:39
jayeolalook for the line that says  "640x480" blah and add this infront of it "1024x768"09:39
raphaWith an external monitor it works for my friend.09:40
lupexjayeola, I've got no xorg.* file in my /etc/X11.09:40
jayeolaum, you may also have to use the gnome display thing to set yr monitor to 'generic lcd display'09:40
jayeolalupex: well it's some kinda x[blah]  file in /etc/09:41
raphalupex: That's because you haven't upgraded your installation yet. Your editing the XF86Config-4 file was perfectly right.09:41
jayeolai'm not on a ubuntu box right now.....09:41
|trey|haha @ x[blah] 09:42
tiagobugarinrapha: i have upgraded my instalation but it is still using XFree86 and not X.org09:42
jayeola(pst) listen to rapha, s/he knows what he's talking about....09:42
|trey|I have that file's entire contents memorized, let alone the location  :/09:42
jayeola|trey|: no matter what distro i try, i always have ta edit that file myself ;(09:43
raphatiagobugarin: Yeah, here to. What mirror did you use?09:43
|trey|jayeola: which is why memorization comes in handy  8-)09:43
raphajayeola: Not too much. I've done a couple of Linux From Scratches though.09:43
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raphajayeola: And I'm a He, but not a single ;-)09:43
tiagobugarinrapha:  i just use what came with ubuntu plus universe09:43
jayeolai've done it enough times to know -roughly- what to do and look for09:43
raphatiagobugarin: Hmm. Then I don't know, sorry.09:44
|trey|rapha: one... was fun  :)09:44
jayeolas/he sorry, but didn't want to offend and stuff09:44
raphaIf Kamion came back, he'd know all that stuff.09:44
raphaOr jdub.09:44
tiagobugarinrapha: archieve.ubuntu.com09:44
|trey|rapha: is easier then gentoo though imo  :/09:44
jayeolagah! gentooo , nooooooo09:44
|trey|I dunno, they complicated the most basic way to build a system  :/09:45
raphatiagobugarin: Well, that's the master source.09:45
jayeolaum, does freenode allow the '/list *blah*' command now adays?09:45
raphajayeola: Lol, you hadn't, even if I had been female :)09:46
raphatrey: Well, you learn lots of stuff. But at some point in time, it gets just too time-consuming...09:46
|trey|rapha: debian gives you time to learn software  8-)09:47
jayeolayeah, i wanted to learn all this 'kernel' stuff so i decided to try gentoo 09:47
tiagobugarinjust apt-get'ed linux-source but it is not in /usr/src/ anyone know how can i find it?09:47
jayeolatiagobugarin: i'ts something like kernel-sourcecode09:47
jayeolau need to do this first:- uname -a09:47
|trey|but if ya really want, ya can still apt-get -b source pkg09:48
jayeolaand get yr kernel version09:48
raphaAnd from what I hear, kernel-building is a little differently under Debian?09:48
|trey|+debhelper = nice package management  :)09:48
rapha(If you want to keep using your initrd, that is)09:48
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jayeolatiagobugarin: i always do this 'apt-cache dump > name_of_some_file.txt'09:49
raphahttp://www.nikotel.de, wow, cool SIP gateway09:49
|trey|flexible, create ya own, compile your own, or get a binary  :)09:49
jayeolathat way you can read/know the packages off line09:49
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|trey|apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, and debfoster are nice too...09:49
jayeolatiagobugarin:  'apt-cache dump > name_of_some_file.txt'09:49
|trey|+auto-apt (search)09:50
jayeolathen grep kernel name_of_some_file.txt09:50
jayeolaor sumptin like dat09:50
|trey|Last 4 should be in Ubuntu  :/09:50
jayeolabut i only know the basics :(09:51
tiagobugarinjayeola: trying09:51
jayeolacan u read name_of_some_file.txt?09:51
|trey|just gless <the_.gz_files>09:51
lupexrapha: what component should I choose for the bugreport (XF86Config is misconfigured on Toshiba Satellite M30-304)?09:52
|trey|zless  :/09:52
|trey|my bad09:52
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|trey|Packages.gz is where the info comes from  :/09:52
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|trey|You're just making 2 copies of it  :/09:53
tiagobugarinjayeola: what i really need is to know where the source go. i have already apt installed it but it is not in /usr/src/09:53
|trey|/usr/local/src maybe?09:54
|trey|dpkg -L (the source package)09:54
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tiagobugarin|trey|: not in /usr/local/src09:55
raphalupex: Hmm, since you've not yet upgraded to Xorg, I'd choose XFree8609:55
jayeolalocate kernel09:55
|trey|tiagobugarin: ok, do what I told you... dpkg -L (the source package name)09:56
enablhi all is there a quick apt-get to get all the kde stuff?09:56
tiagobugarinjayeola, |trey| : i think i found it with locate in /lib/modules/'kernel here'/09:57
jayeolaquick poll: what text editor do you guys use? (vi)09:57
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raphaThe newest idea of Mr. Michael "Linuspire" Robertson09:58
tbermanhow do i get ubuntu to use automake-1.8 instead of automake. i see the link in /etc/alternatives/automake to 1.4, but is there a tool to change it?09:58
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|trey|enabl: funny you should ask... Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic > Settings > Repositories > Check the ones pertaining to universe, or add universe to the ones that are not security...09:58
raphaMaybe I won't. I wanna give Ubuntu live CDs to people; not Linspire live CDs.09:59
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jayeolarapha: actually a good map09:59
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|trey|Linspire hired KDE's artist... he's good. Their iapps seem to be kinda suspicious though...10:00
|trey|They are developing gaim-vv too...10:00
|trey|The artist of the Cystal theme...10:00
mozratHey guys... I'd like to know the downside of running ubuntu-ppc on a iBook G4. Do you still get power management for example10:01
|trey|mozrat: that should all be supported  :/10:01
|trey|Multimedia Keys may have to be manually configured  :/10:02
mozrat|trey|: Airport Extreme?10:02
mozratmove over OS X then :)10:02
|trey|A lot of that is due to Yellow Dog...10:03
mozratbtw.. it's an awesome distribution... a lot of people are raving about it10:03
danielser, last I heard Airport Extreme was unsupported; normal Airport worked fine.10:03
|trey|Yellow Dog = biggest Mac based distro... Based on Fedora too now...10:03
jayeola*ahem* what text editor do use?10:04
tiagobugarin|trey|: i was wrong... and dpkg -L linux-source (this is what i typed to download the kernel source) returned it is not installed10:04
jayeolaa poll....10:04
danielsall the Ubuntu developers that have Powerbooks with USB wireless adaptors hanging off them might be interested to know about the Airport Extreme support ;)10:04
|trey|tiagobugarin: hmm...10:04
mozratjayeola: religious argument but... vim10:04
|trey|dpkg -l | grep ^^linux10:04
|trey|dpkg -l linux | grep ^^ii10:04
jayeolatiagobugarin: Package: kernel-sourcecode#2.6.8-1.52110:05
|trey|I'm high sorry.10:05
jayeolagrep kernel apt-cache.txt, where the .txt file was a 'dump' of all of the packages10:05
|trey|^^ = at the start of line; ii = installed... grep filters.10:05
jayeolai feel like i'm blind whenever i use 'ed'10:06
danielsmozrat: airport extreme is unsupported10:06
raphajayeola: Yeah, but only Linspire users.10:06
|trey|dpkg -l will report all accessable...10:06
mozratdaniels: OK.. thanks :(10:06