[12:00] <will> amu: it says administration is disabled and to use the applet in gnome instead!
[12:01] <ixus> Hello - I am new, & brand new to ubuntu
[12:01] <SmokingFire> hi
[12:01] <ixus> hey :)
[12:01] <LinuxJones> hi ixus
[12:01] <ixus> I need a little help getting started. . .
[12:01] <SmokingFire> welcome to the ten step group of cold turkey linux
[12:02] <ixus> haha
[12:02] <SmokingFire> Please introduce your self and tell us your problem.
[12:02] <ixus> text mode starts up, but when I type "startx" all I get is a cursor  gey screen
[12:02] <ixus> I am Kieren from london UK
[12:02] <ixus> :)
[12:02] <SmokingFire> is gdm loaded?
[12:02] <ixus> gdm?
[12:03] <SmokingFire> its the gnome login manager or something
[12:03] <rapha> Oh!
[12:03] <swim> trying to compile a game from source, and am getting this:  build.sh: line 11: jam: command not found  mmm how can I solve this?
[12:03] <SmokingFire> but why isn't x starting automatically?
[12:03] <rapha> Mithrandir: thanks for so quickly adding my bug report
[12:03] <ixus> I don't know - I thought I might have to edit something to do that
[12:03] <SmokingFire> anyway in the textmode type gdm
[12:03] <ggi> swim: sudo apt-get install jam
[12:04] <swim> :) heh thanks ggi
[12:04] <ixus> okay - just resetting the big beige box
[12:04] <SmokingFire> if it says gdm is already started I can't help you further. So one else may
[12:04] <ixus> thanks SmokingFire
[12:04] <ixus> I shall let you know in a second when it loads up
[12:04] <staticactivity> for me gdm was not installed by default, i had to apt-get in afterwards
[12:04] <amu> will: gnome-cups-manager
[12:05] <SmokingFire> ixus: Did you do a custom installation?
[12:05] <ixus> I didn't really get much option to - apart from partitions
[12:05] <LinuxJones> ixus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and re-check your settings.
[12:05] <SmokingFire> ok, weird then
[12:06] <ixus> I used reiser, & kept my home folder from previous linux
[12:06] <SmokingFire> I did the same but no problems for me. Reiserfs and old /home
[12:07] <ixus> gdm = command not found
[12:07] <theantix> has there been any semi-official response to the gdm/splash/wallpaper that everyone has been talking about?
[12:08] <rapha> theantix: What wallpaper is that even?
[12:08] <Mithrandir> theantix: none that I've seen, no.
[12:08] <ixus> rying that now LinuxJones :)
[12:08] <LinuxJones> ixus, sudo gdm
[12:08] <theantix> okay, thanks
[12:08] <chz> yeah...i got sum new login wallpaper...
[12:08] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:08] <swim> theantix, what is that?
[12:08] <chz> three ppl holding hands..
[12:08] <SmokingFire> then you should do the apt-get that staticactivity talked about
[12:08] <theantix> rapha: just upgrade and see for yourself :-)
[12:08] <azeem> rapha: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8551#291096
[12:08] <rapha> theantix: Well, that'll take a couple of days on 56k :-/
[12:09] <rapha> Plus, I've auto-login turned on
[12:09] <ixus> sudo gdm = command not found :[
[12:09] <ixus> I take it something has gone wrong along the way on the install then
[12:09] <swim> ggi, how odd to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?
[12:09] <WW_> First thing I did after that upgrade was use Login Screen Setup to choose a different login screen, then I disabled "Show splash login screen" in Sessions.
[12:09] <will> amu: in the printer port i have only USB ports...no LPT port!
[12:09] <trans_err> I just switched from debian to ubuntu- how do I import my old evolution data?
[12:09] <SmokingFire> ixus:  is network installed and enabled?
[12:10] <socomm> I don't see anything wrong with this art :^/
[12:10] <rapha> !!!
[12:11] <ixus> I think so - its first run, it downloaded a load of packages from teh net
[12:11] <rapha> Wow, what are you people doing! I mean, in Germany this'll be fine, but in the US you'll damage your reputation!
[12:11] <socomm> Huh?
[12:11] <SmokingFire> ixus: if so then do sudo apt-get install gdm
[12:12] <socomm> You gotta be pretty conservative to ... forget it.
[12:12] <ixus> it's downloading :)
 and also change the runlevel in /etc/inittab to 5
[12:12] <SmokingFire> good
[12:12] <ixus> oh damn - i need the Cd
[12:12] <ixus> Ah - found it
[12:12] <WW_> For me, it was nothing about reputation or being conservative... it just looked too much like a Calvin Klein ad!
[12:13] <amu> will: the printer was online while booting ? 
[12:13] <georgia> looks like a pretty tame "we like people" stock photo
[12:13] <socomm> I wonder if Ubuntu actually paid for this photos though. :^/
[12:14] <georgia> could be free to use photos
[12:14] <georgia> there's a lot of them about
[12:14] <socomm> Hehe, does this come standard in hoary?
[12:14] <jans> I'm having a sound problem with a new installation. 
[12:14] <will> amu: yeah its turned on, is it to do with bi-directional/compatible/ECP settings you think? its on bi-directional now
[12:14] <swim> anybody, when I try to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?
[12:14] <socomm> Get it? ^_^
[12:14] <will> amu: sorry in the BIOS
[12:14] <ixus> hooray!!  Thank-you SmokingFire
[12:14] <jans> error message Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist.
[12:14] <thomas__> hi.  I have three soundcards in my machine.  I'm new to ubuntu/debian - is there some way I can specify the "order" of devices so that one of those three I choose is the first ?
[12:14] <ixus> I now have a graphical log in :)
[12:15] <Anna> I just wanted to share the good news that I've managed to install my first application from the command line (flashplayer, which no doubt, I'll regret in a couple of hours), and on top of that I configured two printers (but that was rather easy). 
[12:15] <rapha> Also, why is it two white persons and one black person? Where's the Asian?
[12:15] <SmokingFire> swim: can't you install jam and then reinstall freecol?
[12:15] <will> Anna: are your printers on Parallel ports?
[12:15] <georgia> rapha: if its a stock photo, you takes you what you gets
[12:15] <SmokingFire> ixus: nice :)
[12:15] <Anna> yes
[12:15] <sabdfl> rapha: he's north africa, as it happens
[12:16] <jans> Sound worked the first time I installed Ubuntu about 3 weeks ago. 
[12:16] <will> Anna: i can only choose from USB ports....where did you find your LPT ports?!?!?
[12:16] <rapha> sabdfl: Well, looks like a "caucasian white male" to me or whatever it is called
[12:16] <swim> SmokingFire, I dont know I didnt install freecol in the firstplace, seems like it was already installed, but I would like to play it
[12:16] <rapha> georgia :-) ... did you make those images?
[12:16] <SmokingFire> It should be me with the two women!
[12:16] <georgia> nope
[12:17] <georgia> but ive seen more than my fair share of stock photo cds, and it looks like they came off one of those
[12:17] <rapha> Because despite from being of discussion-provoking nature, they definately do look good
[12:17] <jans> very cute
[12:17] <Anna> Will: I just did the Computer/System Configuration/Printing and then double click the 'add new printer' icon
[12:17] <SmokingFire> swim: perhaps you can just reinstall it afterwards. Synaptic is trying to solve conflicts is my guess.
[12:18] <Anna> and then follow it from tere
[12:18] <Anna> there
[12:18] <SmokingFire> rapha: to me its just like someone else said calvin klein. If it were arty then ok.
[12:18] <ixus> Oh, now all I get after login is a brown screen & a cursor [
[12:18] <will> humm, i can only select usb ports....will try and change my bios i think!
[12:18] <will> bye people!
[12:18] <jdub> georgia: (they're not stock photos)
[12:18] <ixus> Better than grey at least
[12:18] <georgia> they're not?
[12:19] <SmokingFire> ixus: :)
[12:19] <Anna> strange
[12:19] <Anna> bye
[12:19] <georgia> hm, i stand corrected
[12:19] <SmokingFire> ixus: can't help you further. I have not experienced similair problems.
[12:19] <ixus> :[
[12:19] <rapha> jdub: Did you make the pics?
[12:19] <ixus> thanks a lot for your help
[12:19] <ixus> I'm going to install it again
[12:20] <SmokingFire> ok best of luck
[12:20] <jdub> rapha: no, a design company made them to spec for us
[12:20] <ixus> maybe I did something wrong whilst eating my pizza
[12:20] <LinuxJones> ixus, check the faq ?
[12:20] <ixus> had a breif look
[12:20] <rapha> jdub: I see
[12:20] <ixus> didn't see anything abou tthis
[12:20] <malte`> bye bye
[12:20] <SmokingFire> last time I spilled cola on my computer and this hot women in a red dress came out of it.
[12:20] <rapha> jdub: Are you in the process of deciding for one?
[12:20] <LinuxJones> ixus, you using an nvidia or ati card ?
[12:21] <jdub> rapha: hrm?
[12:21] <ixus> nvidia
[12:21] <SmokingFire> LinuxJones: but x is starting so I figure thats not the problem.
[12:21] <LinuxJones> ixus, did you install the nvidia driver ?
[12:21] <rapha> jdub: Are you in the process of choosing a design company to do the final Ubuntu artwork?
[12:22] <ixus> it didn't ask me - so no I think
[12:22] <jdub> rapha: no, this is the final artwork for WartyWarthog. it's our release candidate!
[12:22] <LinuxJones> SmokingFire, I had to install the Nvidia driver for some reason to make x work.
[12:22] <SmokingFire> someone also told about changing the runtime to level 5 or something
[12:22] <SmokingFire> ixus: 
[12:22] <ixus> the log in screen comes up now
[12:23] <ixus> but thats it
[12:23] <rapha> jdub: Oh, I see! Cool.
[12:23] <SmokingFire> ixus: what if you go back to the console and type sudo -s
[12:23] <SmokingFire> and then load gdm and then x
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ixus, just try that first before you re-install it's in the faq >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:23] <ixus> I'll try that - just restarting :)
[12:23] <rapha> jdub: One thing Ubuntu is certainly doing is being noticed :)
[12:23] <rapha> Best Distro Marketing Ever
[12:24] <rapha> (BDME)
[12:24] <guptan> where can I fid log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.
[12:24] <SmokingFire> ubunutu should buy licenses from sco to get noticed even more.
[12:24] <azeem> rapha: still no /. story about the pr0n wallpaper though ;)
[12:24] <rapha>  :-)
[12:24] <ixus> sudo gdm & x also?
[12:25] <socomm> Does ubuntu plan on going commercial?
[12:25] <SmokingFire> no if you do sudo -s
[12:25] <SmokingFire> everything will be launched as root
[12:26] <socomm> SmokingFire, `sudo -s' gives you a shell with root priviliges.
[12:26] <suzan> @socomm: Ubuntu will always be free of charge
[12:26] <SmokingFire> I know but it says with an whoami:root
[12:27] <NoSiLvEr4u> how do i get mp3 support in ubuntu?
[12:27] <socomm> suzan, just wondering. Read that Ubuntu had commercial aspirations, somewhere.
[12:27] <guptan> NoSiLvEr4u: isn't it already supported?
[12:27] <jdub> socomm: ubuntu is a commercially supported distribution
[12:27] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: you will have to pay 59 bucks to fraunhoffer
[12:27] <Se7h> LOL
[12:27] <jordi> jdub: so what's all of this fuzz about the WartyPr0n?
[12:27] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, ubuntu comes with MPG 3 support as far as I know.
[12:27] <azeem> jordi: nipples!
[12:27] <jordi> Is the background one of those we saw in Oxford?
[12:27] <SmokingFire> socomm: not anymore
[12:27] <jdub> socomm: we won't charge for the software itself
[12:27] <jdub> jordi: yeah
[12:28] <jordi> jdub: cool
[12:28] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: you need to install the gstreamer mad package if I remember correctly
[12:28] <Se7h> azeem where who what?
[12:28] <socomm> jdub, just wondering never know when ubuntu may go the way of RH.
[12:28] <guptan> where can I find log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.
[12:28] <jdub> socomm: it's part our commitment
[12:28] <socomm> jdub, thanks for clearing that up.
[12:29] <NoSiLvEr4u> thanks smokingfire
[12:29] <SmokingFire> jdub: how do plan to earn money?
[12:29] <NoSiLvEr4u> socomm, rhythmbox tells me there is no mp3 support when i try to add mp3 files to my library
[12:29] <jordi> jdub: I see the headlines. "LINUX GOES ANTI-CHRISTIAN IN THEIR RECENT RELEASE 4" 
[12:29] <jdub> SmokingFire: we're doing services and support for ubuntu. explaining it over irc is slightly too difficult.
[12:29] <jdub> jordi: heh
[12:29] <jordi> ok, and before I go to bed.
[12:30] <jordi> Repeat with me! Va-len-cia! Va-len-cia!
[12:30] <SmokingFire> jordi: like apple for "apple" and darwin and some other stuff. I read some site once that Apple was anti christian
[12:30] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, my install came with Mp3 support if I remember correctly.
[12:30] <jordi> SmokingFire: that webpage is hilarious
[12:30] <SmokingFire> jdub: canniciol has an online business plan?
[12:30] <jordi> SmokingFire: hey, it's based on BSD... And you know what the BSD icon is!
[12:31] <NoSiLvEr4u> i dunno i just did the latest from yesterday's install CD, and that's what it told me
[12:31] <SmokingFire> socomm: they changed it for obvious reasons.
[12:31] <socomm> SmokingFire, I know.
[12:31] <SmokingFire> socomm: my first iso also had out of the box mp3 support but last weeks daily build didn't
[12:31] <NoSiLvEr4u> the mulitimedia faq is pretty vague about it
[12:31] <jdub> SmokingFire: no
[12:31] <SmokingFire> jdub: ok, just curious
[12:31] <guptan> can somebody tell me where can I find the apt log 
[12:32] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, try installing limp3-dev
[12:32] <NoSiLvEr4u> so gstreamer should have mp3 codecs?
[12:32] <jdub> SmokingFire: better for us to spend time doing it rather than explaining it :-)
[12:32] <georgia> i'm listening to mp3s and installed today, havent done anythign to this machien excpet install thunderbird and a couple of perl modules
[12:32] <ixus> Ah still no joy.  I'm going to reinstall
[12:32] <SmokingFire> jdub: I know but investors and customers want to know if you are a sound company to keep long term relationships with.
[12:32] <ixus> I'll update when it's done
[12:33] <Randomize> Does anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?
[12:33] <jordi> does anyone have a screenshot of the default Warty desktop for the RC?
[12:33] <dieman> jdub: btw, metaverse was a great idea, i'm impressed with it so far.
[12:33] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, or try libsmpeg0
[12:33] <dieman> jdub: or whatever this non-free stuff in ubuntu thing is :)
[12:33] <SmokingFire> ixus: I also don't do updates during install. Prefer to login and internet while updating.
[12:33] <jdub> SmokingFire: they will want to know that from us, not from reading the website ;)
[12:33] <LinuxJones> socomm, do you have gstreamer-mad installed ?
[12:33] <richnrockvillemd> Interesting background for the graphic's interface :)
[12:34] <socomm> LinuxJones, no.
[12:34] <ixus> SmokingFire:  Thanks, I'll try that this time round :)
[12:34] <LinuxJones> richnrockvillemd, that's been a common theme here in the irc channel today :D
[12:34] <LinuxJones> socomm, install it and try playing mp3 
[12:35] <socomm> LinuxJones, NoSiLvEr4u is the person trying to get MP3 playback.
[12:35] <socomm> :^/
[12:35] <LinuxJones> socomm, oops sorry
[12:35] <socomm> No worries.
[12:35] <NoSiLvEr4u> ok, i'll be back
[12:35] <LinuxJones> socomm, I am watching "The Pianist" and not watching what I am doing :D
[12:36] <will> help! i have no Parallel Port!! does any one know about em?
[12:36] <SmokingFire> guptan: you asked about apt log?
[12:36] <socomm> will, more info.
[12:36] <guptan> SmokingFire: yes
[12:36] <socomm> will, please.
[12:37] <NoSiLvEr4u> still no love
[12:37] <LinuxJones> will, is your parallell port disabled in your system bios ?
[12:37] <NoSiLvEr4u> i did the gstreamer mad and the libsmpeg0
[12:37] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, how about libmp3
[12:37] <SmokingFire> guptan: I saw on the mailing list an aptitude script but I can't find it. But perhaps from synaptic do file-->save markings
[12:38] <will> i have set up my printer but in 'connection','printer port' i only have USB ports listed. in my bios the parallel port is set to ECP mode
[12:38] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, I think that xmms uses mpg123 for MP3 playback.
[12:39] <NoSiLvEr4u> yeah, i can't find libmp3 or mpg123 in my listing
[12:39] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: do an apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-plugins This will install all gstreamer plugins
[12:39] <LinuxJones> will,  lsmod | grep par   ..... do you see a paraport module loaded ?
[12:39] <NoSiLvEr4u> and i've got all the repositories enabled
[12:40] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, `apt-cache search libmp3 | less' though `apt-get install libmp3' should do it for you.
[12:40] <mike_douglas> one prob: The new version of the gdm theme looks really stretched on widescreen. Any chance of getting a widescreen version?
[12:40] <will> Linuxjones: no only parport_pc and parport
[12:40] <jdub> mike_douglas: that'll be fixed before final
[12:41] <LinuxJones> will,  ok I thought the modules might not be loaded but they are.
[12:41] <will> strange huh!
[12:41] <SmokingFire> socomm mad should do it
[12:42] <will> what would the 'path' be to the parallel port
[12:42] <will> on say any given machine
[12:42] <jordi> nite
[12:42] <ixus> partitions:  should / have a bootable flag if I'm not making a boot partition?
[12:43] <jsubl2> where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.
[12:43] <SmokingFire> ixus one bootable part per HD
[12:43] <LinuxJones> will, it used to be /dev/lp0 but it's not there anymore
[12:44] <will> linuxjones: so where do you find these things then??
[12:44] <ixus> I only have the one HD but was just goign to have partitions for /, /usr, /opt, & /home
[12:44] <ixus> so would I flag / ?
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> Why are there now naked people on my Gnome splash? LOL
[12:45] <SmokingFire> ixus: yes
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> Great update
[12:45] <ixus> Thanks - no more questions for a nit - promise ;)
[12:45] <ixus> *bit
[12:45] <socomm> What the hell, am I the only one without nudes on my system >_<.
[12:45] <LinuxJones> will, i dunno what is going on but try cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 and see if it prints to it.
[12:45] <SmokingFire> ixus: no problem
[12:45] <socomm> s/my/his
[12:45] <georgia> socomm: possibly
[12:46] <will> Linuxjones: permission denied!
[12:46] <will> bash: /.dev/lp0: Permission denied
[12:46] <socomm> will as super user
[12:46] <nosilver4u> well, still no luck on the mp3 thing
[12:46] <LinuxJones> will, sudo -s first
[12:46] <georgia> socomm: though you seem stressed, so porn may not be the right solution ;)
[12:46] <nosilver4u> installed all the gstreamer plugins
[12:46] <nosilver4u> couldn't find libmp3 though
[12:46] <nosilver4u> still
[12:47] <will>  sudo -s cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 < same thing
[12:47] <socomm> nosilver4u, did you try installing it from the command line. I'm assuming that you're installing via sinaptic [sp?] 
[12:48] <socomm> s/sinaptic/synaptic
[12:48] <LinuxJones> will, maybe it's under /.dev/usb/lp0 
[12:48] <socomm> LinuxJones, shouldn't it be /dev/lp0
[12:48] <nosilver4u> yeah, i tried both ways
[12:48] <LinuxJones> socomm, they don't use devfs any more it's location has changed
[12:48] <nosilver4u> i'm a command line junky, having used gentoo mostly
[12:48] <nosilver4u> i get mp3 in xmms
[12:49] <nosilver4u> so i might just have to be satisfied with that
[12:49] <will> none of em work, even /dev/lp0
[12:49] <socomm> nosilver4u, not a fan of xmms?
[12:49] <nosilver4u> just not in rythmbox
[12:49] <nosilver4u> used to be, but i kind of like having a library with all my music sorted by artist and album
[12:49] <socomm> BMP is too high in cholesterol for my liking.
[12:50] <will> oh well will leave it for now then
[12:50] <Phr0stByte> socomm: cholesterol?
[12:50] <socomm> Phr0stByte, bloat.
[12:51] <SmokingFire> nosilver4u: your problem is not normal.
[12:51] <will> another question: how do i disable DMA support only on hdd
[12:51] <Phr0stByte> socomm: like?
[12:51] <nosilver4u> yeah, i didn't think so
[12:51] <nosilver4u> nothing on this computer is
[12:51] <nosilver4u> i can't even get ubuntu to load X with my radeon 8500
[12:51] <nosilver4u> i had to downgrade to a 7000
[12:52] <nosilver4u> fortunately it's not my primary computer, use it mostly for an ftp and webserver
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> socomm: Actually, BMP is the result of the XMMS developement brach splitting
[12:52] <rapha> What component should I file bugs under that apply to all of Ubuntu (i.e., generic things)?
[12:53] <Phr0stByte> socomm: (Plus its gtk2)
[12:54] <chz> has anybody been having problems with wireless..?
[12:54] <socomm> Phr0stByte, You can really tell the difference on older processors.
[12:54] <ixus> Anyone installed ubuntu on Apple hardware or via mini-itx?
[12:54] <chz> i cant seem to figure out why i cant shutdown my card and restart it...
[12:55] <Phr0stByte> socomm: Maybe thats my problem, heh
[12:55] <jazzka> what solutions has ubuntu to see quiktime movies?
[12:56] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: win32codecs
[12:56] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, it's installed, but can't see movies on firefox ..
[12:57] <amu> ixus: PowerBook5,4 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
[12:57] <SmokingFire> jazzka: no easy solution to play movies in firefox on linux
[12:57] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: a browser plug-in is a different matter
[12:57] <jazzka> :(
[12:57] <SmokingFire> jazzka: people are working on it, slowly
[12:57] <socomm> jazzka, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[12:58] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: you mean trailers?
[12:58] <jazzka> Could I see the movie if I download the mov file?
[12:58] <guptan> how can I get Mplayer for ubuntu, can I use deb packages?
[12:58] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, yes
[12:58] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: look up plugger
[12:58] <SmokingFire> If there was an xpi for totom-xine, ubuntu would almost be perfect.
[12:58] <socomm> guptan, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[12:58] <socomm> Go through that tutorial.
[12:59] <SmokingFire> jazzka: But the problem is getting the source of the embedded movie.
[12:59] <socomm> Phr0stByte, mplayer-plugin.
[12:59] <jazzka> then, does a solution exist?
[12:59] <Chriffer> gxine has a mozilla plugin
[12:59] <socomm> http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/index.php
[12:59] <SmokingFire> Is xfree using motif?
[12:59] <Phr0stByte> socomm: I like mozplugger
[12:59] <ixus> amu:  How did you find it on the PB?  I have an iBook - might give it a try if I like it on the PC
[01:00] <SmokingFire> If so why can't it plugin into the whatever running window manager?
[01:00] <rapha> SmokingFire: Oh yes, there is. It's called mplayerplugin
[01:00] <georgia> i really like ubuntu on my eMac
[01:01] <SmokingFire> rapha: downloading it now
[01:01] <amu> ixus: the best thing i saw, installed the CD and everything works by default ex. extreme :)  
[01:02] <ixus> I might give it a go :)
[01:02] <rapha> :-)
[01:02] <SmokingFire> I hope they don't go to an graphical installer like fedora's or like mandrake. They are to bloated.
[01:02] <ixus> amu:  I have an iBook 366mhz & haven't had much sucsess getting Linux on it so far - just glad there is another distro for the Mac
[01:03] <SmokingFire> My perfect linux installer would just dumb the cd onto the hd and then unpack and configure
[01:03] <georgia> ixus: i ran yellowdog on my ibook 500, ran like a dog though
[01:03] <georgia> most likley was the fact i had very little ram in it though
[01:03] <Randomize> Truth in advertising. :)
[01:04] <amu> ixus: no problem, i run 2 part. 1 with osx and tried to install linux on the 2nd part. , well from earlier installations it was a terrible thing, BUT now very very easy   
[01:04] <ixus> georgia: I could never get teh 2nd YD cd to load - it always crashed.  I'm going to burn a Ubuntu CD & try it out once I backup
[01:05] <georgia> yeah i dual boot here as well, though there;s very little i need osx for now. other than final cut pro i can do just about everythin under linux
[01:06] <LinuxJones> georgia, whqat version of FC are you using Pro or Express ?
[01:06] <amu> ixus: i tried with debian before, guess you saw the many "how2installmyiBook" reports ;) Ubuntu just works       
[01:06] <georgia> pro
[01:06] <LinuxJones> georgia, nice
[01:06] <SmokingFire> did you ever try customize toolbar in firefox?
[01:06] <georgia> to be precise fcp hd
[01:07] <LinuxJones> georgia, sweet I'm getting a dual G5 with FC Pro in 2 months can't wait :D
[01:07] <ixus> I'm looking forward t the iBook install now - just have to wait for the PC install to work though
[01:07] <ixus> got to have one net ready PC
[01:08] <georgia> i'm glad i dont do much editing of large files i'm on an eMac and cant afford a g5 at the moment
[01:08] <LinuxJones> georgia, ya they are rather expensive. However, you get what you pay for :P
[01:08] <georgia> yup
[01:09] <georgia> my emac is exactly what i wanted though, i needed a cute machine, preferably all in one, capable of running fcp and burning dvds
[01:09] <amu> ixus: have fun with it ;)  
[01:09] <LinuxJones> georgia, your not running Apple Motion by chance are you ?
[01:09] <georgia> nope
[01:10] <ricochet> I am getting gzip: stdin: not in gzip format errors from apt-get update.  whats going on?
[01:10] <LinuxJones> georgia, I am getting that as well but don't know anybody personally who is using it.
[01:10] <georgia> it looks nice, but its more money i dont need to spend, and dont have
[01:11] <aitrus> ricochet: just keep running apt-get update, they'll clear up
[01:11] <LinuxJones> georgia, thank god for local small business assistance programs :D
[01:12] <georgia> be good if i could get much help
[01:12] <Randomize> Hate hammering on this, but really flummoxed: Does anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> georgia, where are you located ?
[01:12] <georgia> scotland
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ahh
[01:13] <LinuxJones> I live in New Scotland, aka Nova Scotia Canada
[01:14] <georgia> :)
[01:14] <LinuxJones> heh
[01:15] <georgia> god i love linux!
[01:15] <Randomize> And it loves you. :)
[01:16] <Randomize> Just, not in "that way."
[01:16] <georgia> usually it doesnt, but it seems to today, everything i need to work is working :D
[01:16] <Randomize> If I could get aac playback working I could dump my XP install, it feels silly to be stuck on something so trivial.
[01:17] <ixus> hooray!!!  I have a Gnome desktop :D
[01:17] <ixus> Thanks for all your helpp guys.  The reinstall worked
[01:18] <rapha> Anybody got experience with Skype?
[01:19] <LinuxJones> rapha, that's voice telephone ?
[01:19] <LinuxJones> rapha, over ip ?
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: used it on windows...and it works well
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: installed it on linux...worked well
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: havent tried it on ubuntu yet
[01:20] <aitrus> hmm... do i need to run the smp kernel with a P4 HT processor?
[01:21] <aitrus> linux usually sees the HT's as 2 processors isntead of 1...
[01:26] <Randomize> Mmm, I would suspect that you do not "need" to run a kernel with smp support.  As to what sacrifices you make in terms of performance by not having HT utilized on the CPU, haven't the foggiest.
[01:26] <rapha> LinuxJones: yes
[01:27] <swim>  does anyone know where I can get the java sdk docs off the sun site?
[01:27] <rapha> punkass_: Because my friend and I were experimenting with GnomeMeeting and SIP stuff (Linphone, that is), both of which didn't work very well...
[01:27] <swim> duh got it ;)
[01:28] <LinuxJones> rapha, is it free or do you have to pay service fees ?
[01:28] <jbarnett> does ubuntu have any support for dial-up using winmodems?
[01:29] <rapha> LinuxJones: Only if you want to call "normal" telephones. But it's a closed-source program (using the latest freedesktop.org technology still)
[01:29] <LinuxJones> rapha, ahh
[01:30] <punkass_> rapha: well i randomly picked someone from australia (im in canada) and it seemed to work fine
[01:30] <rapha> This is kind of a new breed of commercial software, the one we always whished would be available for Linux. So it's kind of interesting to see if their business model will work...
[01:30] <rapha> punkass_: Sounds cool!
[01:31] <rapha> LinuxJones: International fee into a number of countries (virtually all important ones) is 1.7 EURO-cents per minute.
[01:31] <gatolas> hello
[01:31] <swim> very bizarre I put the  cpu frequency scaling monitor on my panel, and it's showing to be running at 0% and jumping up and down between 7.10ghz or so and 0ghz ! what the?
[01:32] <aitrus> swim: 7 ghz!  that's a great machine!
[01:32] <swim> hehe yeah I wish
[01:32] <LinuxJones> rapha, ya it is very expensive....have you looked at TeamSpeak ?? >> http://www.goteamspeak.com/
[01:33] <rapha> LinuxJones: That is the fee for calling NORMAL phones. Internet-to-internet calls are feeless.
[01:33] <andreasvc> hey does anyone know if it's possible to get CD-R working with a 2.4 kernel?
[01:33] <rapha> It actually is very cheap.
[01:33] <gatolas> Teampspeak looks like a fine app
[01:33] <LinuxJones> rapha, ya
[01:33] <swim> I want it to work
[01:34] <rapha> andreasvc: Why wouldn't it?
[01:34] <andreasvc> I compiled my own 2.4 kernel and it doesn't, somehow
[01:34] <gatolas> newbie quick question> how do I edit grub list? I change grub.conf, then what? (for lilo, I know I need to run /sbin/lilo after editing conf file)
[01:34] <rapha> andreasvc: Did you compile ide-scsi in, and are you passing "hdX=ide-scsi" on the kernel commandline?
[01:34] <rapha> s/)/?
[01:35] <andreasvc> ah, not passing that commandline, thanks
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: Edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:35] <jbarnett> does ubuntu support dial-up connections?
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: Then just reboot. The changes take effect immediately.
[01:35] <andreasvc> yes, use ppp
[01:35] <rapha> jbarnett: Yes
[01:35] <gatolas> rapha: after I edit that list, how do I "update"?
[01:35] <gatolas> Oh, I just reboot? cool!
[01:35] <jbarnett> with winmodems?
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: You don't have to.
[01:35] <rapha> Yes
[01:36] <rapha> jbarnett: I don't believe so, but I'm not sure. Try it, and if it doesn't work look at winmodem.org if yours is supported and how to set it up.
[01:36] <gatolas> thanks
[01:36] <rapha> np
[01:36] <jbarnett> rapha, ok, thanks.  
[01:38] <ixus> what is /dev/dsp ?
[01:38] <andreasvc> the soundcard device
[01:38] <ixus> Ah
[01:39] <ixus> for some reason it's stopping me from opening video files
[01:39] <andreasvc> ixus: does your soundcard work?
[01:40] <ixus> i don't know - I can't open any media
[01:40] <andreasvc> then you should probably try to get your soundcard to work before trying any videos...
[01:41] <Phr0stByte> Is there a place where we can see what was done with these kernel updates?
[01:41] <andreasvc> it's also interesting to install "totem-xine" to be able to play divx
[01:44] <ixus> I don't know if it works.  Anyone got a website with sound?
[01:46] <JakeandBake> you should be able to hear system sound effects
[01:46] <JakeandBake> Nautilus makes sounds every time you open a window or click a button
[01:47] <andreasvc> and you can try "dmesg | grep -i alsa" to see kernel messages about your soundcard
[01:47] <Dashiva> any clue why my ubuntu just booted up with pictures of half nekkid guys
[01:47] <JakeandBake> it is 2 chicks and a guy
[01:47] <Dashiva> yeah
[01:47] <georgia> and its nice
[01:47] <JakeandBake> and it is the new ubuntu art or whatever
[01:47] <Dashiva> :/
[01:47] <JakeandBake> i like it too
[01:48] <JakeandBake> you can change it if you like
[01:48] <JanneM> not supposed to be the deafault, though
[01:48] <swim> lineakd
[01:48] <Dashiva> is there an easy way to change it or do i have to use gconf and gdmconfig
[01:49] <StoneTable> I really hope they don't make that new artwork the default
[01:49] <Dashiva> it booted up default when i reinstalled
[01:50] <goatboy> Dashiva: you can downgrade and hold ubuntu-artwork if you want the old ones back.
[01:50] <goatboy> (that's what I did)
[01:50] <Dashiva> aha
[01:50] <Dashiva> k
[01:50] <SmokingFire> Dashiva: computer-->system conf -->login screen setup
[01:50] <Dashiva> hmm
[01:50] <Dashiva> nifty
[01:50] <Dashiva> no more gconfeditor
[01:51] <SmokingFire> Dashiva: btw in login screen setup choose graphical login and click on the radio button of the login you want
[01:52] <GOwin> question: why do mpg movies in ubuntu looks pale in comparison with viewing them from windows?
[01:52] <gatolas> what ir wrong with this line? /dev/hda7       /mnt/Documentos vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0
[01:52] <gatolas> When I try to see it, I can see a list of everything, but nautilus (and terminal) won't tell folders apart from files.
[01:53] <gatolas> Neither can be accessed
[01:53] <Dashiva> change rw to umask=000
[01:53] <gatolas> Dashiva: thanks
[01:53] <andreasvc> you might want to keep rw
[01:53] <Dashiva> don't forget to remount it
[01:53] <gatolas> ok
[01:53] <gatolas> bbl
[01:54] <ixus> andreasvc  Thanks. "device xxxxx does not have a release function & must be fixed"
[01:55] <gatolas> Dashiva: I replaced "auto 0 0 0" with the umask line
[01:55] <gatolas> bbl
[01:55] <andreasvc> ixus: figure out what soundcard you have and google it, see if other linux people have it working
[01:55] <Dashiva> if it's vfat is shoudl read /mnt/documentos  vfat  user,auto,umask=000  0  0
[01:56] <ixus> Thanks - will do :)  Tomorrow though - it's gettign past my bedtime now ;)
[01:57] <Bohhh> damn
[01:57] <Bohhh> i would prefer kde instead of gnome for ubuntu
[01:57] <gatolas> Dashiva: replacing auto with umask seems to have solved it. Your line doesn't include rw please explain
[01:57] <Bohhh> bad choice for ubuntu
[01:57] <Dashiva> rw only sets permissions for the owner
[01:58] <Dashiva> as in root
[01:58] <georgia> lo neuro_
[01:58] <andreasvc> no
[01:58] <Dashiva> umask=000 makes it read/write for all users
[01:58] <andreasvc> rw means write the device as read write
[01:58] <gatolas> Dashiva! oh! ok, brb
[01:58] <jdub> Bohhh: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000022.html
[01:58] <andreasvc> whoops, I meant mount the device :$
[01:59] <Dashiva> kde sucks
[01:59] <Dashiva> if i wanted something that bloated i'd use windows :D
[01:59] <jdub> Dashiva: let's not go there...
[01:59] <jdub> Bohhh: you can install kde from universe.
[01:59] <gatolas> jdub: excellent response! I prefer Gnome too, but I'm bookmarking that link!
[02:01] <Bohhh> jdub, universe? what is it?
[02:01] <jdub> Bohhh: unsupported packages from debian main
[02:01] <Bohhh> ok
[02:01] <swim> help trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file
[02:02] <Bohhh> kde i a more integrated desktop though
[02:02] <Bohhh> *is
[02:02] <swim> Bohhh, I agree, though I find gnome prettier :)
[02:02] <Bohhh> i can do everything with that konqueror
[02:02] <Bohhh> i wonder if mozilla can replace it
[02:03] <swim> I still preffer mozilla, at least in kde 3.2.3, it was faster
[02:03] <Bohhh> it doesn't look like to be a file-manager
[02:03] <swim> feeling
[02:03] <andreasvc> firefox is even better than mozilla :P
[02:03] <Bohhh> swim, is mozilla a file-manager?
[02:03] <swim> thats what I mean firefox
[02:03] <andreasvc> no it's not
[02:03] <swim> Bohhh, no, a webbrowser
[02:03] <Bohhh> (other than a browser)
[02:04] <andreasvc> but nautilus is a file manager
[02:04] <andreasvc> (and a browser)
[02:04] <Bohhh> well, damn..
[02:04] <Bohhh> why not kde then for a desktop!!
[02:04] <jdub> Bohhh: there is good value separating the idea of 'file manager' and 'web browser', which is what GNOME has done
[02:04] <jdub> Bohhh: see that post.
[02:04] <Bohhh> jdub, i read it
[02:04] <andreasvc> jdub: say what? nautilus is from gnome and it's both a browser and file manager
[02:05] <Bohhh> jdub, it forgot to mention "integration" as an advatange in kde desktop
[02:05] <gatolas> newbie question 2: lilo handles drives as /hda3, etc. How do I setup an equivalent in grub? hd0,2 doesn't seem to work
[02:05] <jdub> Bohhh: the post was not about the advantages of KDE.
[02:05] <swim> anybody? help trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file
[02:05] <Bohhh> jdub, indeed :)
[02:05] <andreasvc> swim: java is *bad* :P
[02:05] <jdub> Bohhh: i don't think the concept of "integration" is present only in KDE
[02:05] <jdub> andreasvc: it is not intended to be a browser.
[02:06] <jdub> andreasvc: the fact that there are browser plugins for it is a relic of the past.
[02:06] <gatolas> swim: are you synapticking it?
[02:06] <swim> andreasvc, yes but I need it to play a particular game
[02:06] <swim> gatolas, I heard that one could not synaptic it
[02:06] <gatolas> oh
[02:06] <andreasvc> swim: that sounds ironic; you *need* to play a *game*
[02:06] <andreasvc> there's a free software attempt at java but it's nowhere near usable alas
[02:06] <swim> andreasvc, yes, its true though, otherwise I begin to atrophy
[02:07] <swim> oh bummer andreasvc
[02:08] <gatolas> newbie question2 again: what is the equivalent of /hda3 in grub terms?
[02:08] <andreasvc> swim: yeah, it even crashes firefox so I just uninstalled it
[02:08] <andreasvc> gatolas: hd0,2 did sound right
[02:08] <swim> oof
[02:08] <LinuxJones> gatolas, hd0,2
[02:09] <goatboy> swim: ia64 is Itanium, you probably want something like amd64 or x86_64.
[02:09] <gatolas> andreasvc, LinuxJones: it doesn't work
[02:09] <gatolas> it says 0xeb is not supported
[02:09] <swim> goatboy, ah thats what I thought, but I couldnt find anything
[02:09] <andreasvc> so why not stick with lilo then...
[02:09] <gatolas> I formerly used lilo to boot that same partition (it's a BeOS partition)
[02:10] <gatolas> andreasvc: because ubuntu's default is grub, and I just installed ubuntu
[02:10] <LinuxJones> gatolas, BeOS lol
[02:10] <andreasvc> you can use lilo to boot grub to boot ubuntu :P
[02:10] <andreasvc> that's just what I did, in fact
[02:10] <swim> goatboy, they should have something though dont you think?
[02:10] <Dashiva> i don't think grub supports befs
[02:10] <andreasvc> and one can also easily install lilo in ubuntu
[02:10] <goatboy> swim: no idea.
[02:10] <Dashiva> i had a problem with that
[02:10] <Dashiva> you might try lilo
[02:10] <gatolas> that 5 year old crap you say boots faster than any other OS (even newest top of the line OSes)
[02:10] <Dashiva> ^^
[02:11] <andreasvc> grub doesn't need to support befs, as long as beos has it's own boot manager it can boot the partition
[02:11] <gatolas> Dashiva: what does it take to replace grub with lilo
[02:11] <gatolas> google is too full of results about grub/lilo, I can't pin any particular useful one
[02:11] <gatolas> Any links? Or should I synaptic it?
[02:12] <andreasvc> gatolas: apt-get install lilo, make a proper lilo.conf or use the old one, and then sudo lilo
[02:12] <gatolas> andreasvc: with lilo, I just needed to put hda3 there and it worked
[02:12] <gatolas> andreasvc: I'mr writing that down, thanks
[02:12] <Dashiva> that should work
[02:13] <Dashiva> lilo seems to boot anything..even reiser4
[02:13] <andreasvc> you can do such things with grub too
[02:13] <andreasvc> look at the bottom of the grub config
[02:13] <andreasvc> the one where you don't supply a kernel but just boot the partition
[02:13] <Randomize> Has anyone here played (and played successfully) with getting the radeon framebuffer kernel module working in harmony with the fglrx drivers for X?  Or is that just bad voodoo by any measure?
[02:13] <Dashiva> gatolas, you might throw rootnoverify and then chainloader +1 into there
[02:14] <Dashiva> in grub at least
[02:14] <Dashiva> that might work
[02:14] <gatolas> you mean grub can't boot reiserfs?
[02:14] <Dashiva> it can boot 3 not 4
[02:14] <gatolas> Gee, to think I almost choose reiserfs with this install, just to test it out
[02:14] <andreasvc> but I suppose he's not using reiser4
[02:14] <Dashiva> ubuntu only supports 3
[02:14] <swim> what do I type to install a .deb package?
[02:14] <andreasvc> reiserfs is actually very very good
[02:15] <andreasvc> I use it on all my boxes
[02:15] <LinuxJones> swim, dpkg -i <package>
[02:15] <gatolas> I accepted the grub default, because I kept hearing how superior to lilo it was.
[02:15] <andreasvc> yeah it has advantages
[02:15] <swim> thank LinuxJones
[02:15] <LinuxJones> swim, ;)
[02:16] <Dashiva> i like grub because you don't have to reinstall it every time you change kernels
[02:16] <andreasvc> I think the menu looks nicer
[02:17] <gatolas> oh. Interesting advantages. Though bootrecord hasn't been replaced through several distro-whoring sessions, and the default menu in grub is ... hidden
[02:17] <gatolas> I will google some more on it
[02:17] <gatolas> see ya
[02:17] <gatolas> Thanks Dashiva and all
[02:18] <Dashiva> np
[02:18] <Dashiva> and beos > *
[02:18] <swim> anyone please? getting this error trying install this game package: http://pastebin.com/110074
[02:18] <Dashiva> swim, what's it say
[02:18] <Dashiva> ugh
[02:19] <Dashiva> you'll have to manually dl java
[02:19] <LinuxJones> swim, you need java
[02:19] <gatolas> Dashiva: stop mocking my OS preferences :( . Hey everyone here is using a "rebel" OS after all... ;)
[02:19] <Dashiva> nah i love beos
[02:19] <swim> freecol depends on j2re1.4 | java2-runtime; however:
[02:19] <swim>   Package j2re1.4 is not installed.
[02:19] <swim>   Package java2-runtime is not installed.
[02:19] <swim>   and other stuff but Ihave, the free version of java sdk installed (through synaptic) 
[02:19] <Dashiva> it's on my harddrive...just won't boot
[02:19] <gatolas> its grub I tell ya ;)
[02:19] <Randomize> No rebel OS here.  DeathStar 4.5 all the way, baby!
[02:19] <andreasvc> swim, the free version won't do
[02:19] <Dashiva> for me it's Nforce2 DMA
[02:20] <Dashiva> on the harddisks
[02:20] <andreasvc> they want extra proprietary sun stuff
[02:20] <gatolas> Dashiva: I'll find the way to lilo it and come back rescue you :-D
[02:20] <JanneM> swim: you will probably need to go to Sun's site and download it from there and install manually
[02:20] <swim> andreasvc, even just to install ?
[02:20] <smo> while I really don't want to reopen that particular can of worms, can anyone confirm for me wether the live-i386 image contains the "old" or "new" artwork please?
[02:20] <gatolas> bye
[02:20] <andreasvc> swim, well iff it wouldn't work after installing what's the point!?
[02:20] <swim> problem is I cannot figure out what to use for x86_64 amd64...
[02:20] <JanneM> smo: the idea is, I believe that the "new" artwork will not be the default
[02:21] <JanneM> we're all running prereleases, so shouldn't be surprised by glitches 
[02:23] <smo> nm, I'll just reboot and dogfood it.  I really don't want to discuss the merits of it, it'd appear that's been done to death lol .. I just want to know what to expect, as I plan to use it with an audience tomorrow
[02:23] <GOwin> can anyone tell me why the mpg videos i play in ubuntu doesn't look as good in windows?
[02:25] <cardador> GOwin: maybe you wanted to say "as good as in windows"? :)
[02:27] <ixus> time for bed
[02:27] <GOwin> yeah that's what i mean. :)
[02:28] <cardador> GOwin: have you installed win32 codecs?
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: I'm in BeOS right now. I'm here to tell you that your grub edit suggestion worked
[02:29] <Dashiva> cool
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: I added "chainloader +1", and just in case, removed the line "boot"
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: thanks
[02:30] <gatolas> Dashiva: apparently removing rw in favor of auto blocks "recognition" of normal folders
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> Dont suppose anyone has a Wacom drawing tablet working, do they?
[02:30] <gatolas> I'll look into it in a while, gotta go now
[02:30] <gatolas> thanks so far!!!
[02:30] <gatolas> bye
[02:31] <lupus_> question
[02:31] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, I don't have a Wacom but here's a tutorial >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[02:31] <lupus_> why does ubuntu also include a amd optimised kernel?
[02:32] <LinuxJones> lupus_, the kernel is optimized to run on that processor type
[02:32] <lupus_> fedora hasn't got one because they say the kernel will detect the right cpu and then use the optimisations
[02:32] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: went through that - it didnt work for me
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, sorry to hear that. Someone was here last week asking the same question.
[02:33] <JanneM> has anyone got Japanese input to work? I've been trying with the iiim packages, but no luck so far
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: yeah - me
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, lol
[02:34] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, I probably pointed that hoto out to you last week :D
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> yep - thats when I tried it
[02:36] <Aan> did anyone test out the new release?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, something like that you figure you would only need to load the module and away you go.
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: One of these days, I will run into someone that has one working
[02:37] <Aan> where can I get the package list?
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: I checked the kernel - the module is enabled by default
[02:37] <JanneM> input method install? anyone?
[02:38] <JanneM> *sigh*
[02:38] <Aan> what kernel does it come with? also does it include prism2 wireless support (wlan package?) thanks
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: for...?
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ????????
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ?;???t
[02:39] <Aan> anyone?
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Aan, 2.6.8.1-2-386 & prism2_usb.ko so yes I assume
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: What language do you want?
[02:40] <Aan> linux.. awesome.. my usb wifi didn't work at all on the last release 
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Aan, give it a go ;)
[02:42] <Aan> linuxjones, anyway to get a package list?
[02:42] <WW_> Sorry if this is a faq:  Is the LiveCD still available?  I don't sit it listed in the download site on the Ubuntu web page.
[02:42] <LinuxJones> Aan, of the entire distro ?
[02:42] <WW_> s/sit/see/
[02:42] <Aan> yes.. I read the release notes..but it's rather lacking in content. :D
[02:43] <Aan> well, actually only wanna find out whether pilotlink and gnome-pilot are included 
[02:43] <sabdfl> WW_: it's not yet ready for RC
[02:43] <sabdfl> we hope Friday...
[02:43] <LinuxJones> WW_, >> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/
[02:43] <Aan> sabdfl, the live CD?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> Aan, 1 sec I will look
[02:44] <|trey|> Aan: I know gnome-pilot is...
[02:44] <sabdfl> Aan: yes
[02:44] <Aan> treyl.. thanks..that'll do it..
[02:44] <Aan> so if I can get my wifi and palm tungsten sync working, I WILL SWITCH.. finally.
[02:44] <Aan> too bad, I'll miss Documents to Go for Windows.
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Aan, pilotlink=no && gnome-pilot=yes
[02:45] <WW_> sabdfl, LinuxJones: Thanks.
[02:45] <|trey|> Aan: Why switch when you can use both? its better to ease into Linux, dependence on something you are not yet familier with will frustrate you  :(
[02:45] <Aan> linuxjones, thanks. :D
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Aan, ;)
[02:46] <Aan> well, so far, my biggest gripes have been having to fiddle with bunch of text config files..
[02:46] <Aan> last time, ubuntu was pretty nice...
[02:47] <|trey|> Aan: as a desktop linux distro... it is nice... I wouldn't be using it if it wasn't  ;)   still, I'd recommend dual booting for a while  :)
[02:47] <Aan> also, I keep using windows, only thing I'll ever learn is how to reinstall Windows for the nth time.
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Aan, you will learn alot about computers in general using Linux
[02:48] <Aan> linuxjones, I hope..but I would rather not learn about scripts and such.. no time..
[02:49] <jsubl2> where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured:  SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.
[02:49] <LinuxJones> Aan, you can learn at your own pace once it is installed. Remember this is pre-release software and under heavy development
[02:49] <Aan> linuxjones, will i be able to apt-get distro upgrade once the final release is out?
[02:49] <|trey|> LinuxJones: actually, it was apparently released today or yesturday...
[02:50] <|trey|> So we get our CD's soon hopefully  :)
[02:50] <aitrus> the release candidate was released today
[02:50] <LinuxJones> |trey|, oh ya ?
[02:50] <Aan> read from distrowatch that RC was released today..
[02:50] <LinuxJones> |trey|, I was away for 4 days cool
[02:50] <Aan> I am downloading the copy right now.
[02:50] <|trey|> aitrus: ahh, osnews says Ubuntu 4.10 released, someone should complain...
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Aan, you don't have to dist-upgrade just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:51] <|trey|> ps, for those interested, gnome-applet-data and gdm's postinst scripts are fucked somehow...
[02:51] <Aan> linuxjones, oh..
[02:51] <Aan> hm, btw, who chose the background page for logon page? 
[02:51] <Aan> background image, I mean..
[02:51] <Aan> :D
[02:52] <|trey|> LinuxJones: only different is: dist-upgrade is goes through major changes and new deps, upgrade doesn't.
[02:52] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: sorry - was gone for a moment
[02:52] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: Japanese
[02:53] <Aan> well, anyways, won't spoil for those who haven't looked at it.. but I must say I see some three-some interracial fetish...
[02:53] <jdub> |trey|: it says "RC"
[02:53] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya 
[02:53] <muldy> hi!
[02:53] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: my problem is, I get the iiim packages installed, but any gtk app will crash/quit unexpectedly when I try to change input method
[02:54] <JanneM> and I'm not really sure how to look for further info
[02:54] <Aan> well, dinner time..
[02:55] <Aan> will be back over the weekend when I gert some time to test drive the new release.. thanks people esp. the developers.... MOOCH~!
[02:55] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ????
[02:55] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: about input method configuration
 JanneM: What language do you want?
[02:55] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: I installed it for my wife
[02:56] <JanneM> the iiim packages?
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> no
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> hold on
[02:56] <JanneM> scim?
[02:56] <staticactivity> how can i make the applications shown in 'window list' applet to be place in 2 rows
[02:57] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: im-ja
[02:57] <JanneM> ahh
[02:57] <JanneM> ok
[02:57] <JanneM> that one's now available in universe, though?
[02:57] <smo> staticactivity: It should do that automagically if the panel containing the list is atleast 40px
[02:57] <Phr0stByte> I installed from there website
[02:57] <PenguinBoy> evening, guys!
[02:58] <JanneM> ok
[02:58] <LinuxJones> PenguinBoy, hi
[02:58] <PenguinBoy> hey LinuxJones!
 ok, thanks
[02:58] <JanneM> im-ja is ok; would prefer iiim though. 
[02:58] <JanneM> with im-ja, you only get it for gtk apps
[02:59] <GOwin> how do i reconfigure a custom ubuntu install so i could have a gui?
[03:00] <GOwin> or how do i start the gui from a custom install?
[03:00] <LinuxJones> GOwin, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do it.
[03:00] <PenguinBoy> yeah!
[03:00] <bloggsie> Is there a Real Audio player in the stable?
it is not working :(
[03:03] <smo> odd, that's exactly how it behaves here.  if I size the panel to 40px, it creates a second row .. at 60px it gains a third
[03:03] <JanneM> staticactivity: you need enough space for the font. If you hve a larger than normal font, you need more space
[03:04] <JanneM> staticactivity: also, you need more than one window up, or it won't show :)
 which font? i havn't changed any font
[03:04] <GOwin> linuxjones, i get an error = couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
 i opened like 10 terminal windows but all gets listed side by side
[03:04] <JanneM> staticactivity: then I don't know
[03:05] <GOwin> i tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. was that right?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> GOwin, apt-get update
[03:05] <LinuxJones> GOwin, then try again
[03:05] <PenguinBoy> apt-get dist-upgrade maybe
[03:06] <tck> has 'synaptic' upgrade manager always been part of gnome ?
[03:06] <JanneM> no
[03:06] <jl> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <tck> or is it a ubuntu plus
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> tck: it is not part of Gnome
[03:07] <JanneM> tck: it is ubuntu and other debian-based distros
[03:07] <tck> ah cool :)
[03:07] <tck> thx, im converting mates
[03:07] <tck> have two on board already :P
[03:07] <GOwin> when i install the desktop, do i have the option not to automatically start the gui?
[03:07] <PenguinBoy> synaptic is reviewed in this month's Linux Jounral
[03:08] <smo> I plan to "convert" a local business owner tomorrow :o)  this is where I get flamed for jumping the gun with preview releases   hehe
[03:08] <LinuxJones> GOwin, it will start automatically but you can change that later
[03:08] <pedro_g> think i used synaptic a while back on a redhat distro as well
[03:08] <azeem> pedro_g: conactiva developed it
[03:09] <aitrus> smo: sometimes converting someone too early hurts linux advocacy more than it helps it since there are potential issues that could be worked out before the full release
[03:09] <PenguinBoy> amen!
[03:09] <GOwin> hmm .. still get an error: "couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ubuntu-desktop". 
[03:10] <tck> PenguinBoy, cool
[03:10] <pedro_g> azeem: as i recall it wasn't integrated very well - very impressed with it on ubuntu
[03:10] <smo> aitrus: atm all he's looking for is a proof-of-concept .. he's so far been blissfully unaware that there was any alternative to unleashing XP terminals on the public
[03:10] <smo> so we plan to put a livecd on one terminal for a weekend, then sit down 'n discuss what it needs to be usable
[03:10] <azeem> pedro_g: I don't think ubuntu changed much, it certainly looks very similar to the one in Debian
[03:11] <GOwin> i'm running aptitude now. what do i select from there?
[03:11] <LinuxJones> GOwin, is apt searching your cdrom when you search ?
[03:12] <pedro_g> azeem: sure you're right - haven't used a debian based distro in a while.  liking ubuntu so far though - especially for a prerelease
[03:12] <azeem> yeah, ubuntu rocks
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> when will the stable be rel;eased?
[03:12] <azeem> PenguinBoy: next week it seems
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:13] <LinuxJones> GOwin, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and comment out all lines except for >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[03:13] <PenguinBoy> I love ubuntu.....this is my first dip into Debian World.....and I really like it!
[03:13] <GOwin> i don't have an internet connection on the ubuntu box yet
[03:14] <PenguinBoy> ighly recommended
[03:15] <SmokingFire> well to be honest when I was using mandrake and was on the drake channel people would say drake rules, some on slackware, redhat and others.
[03:15] <swim> hi, trying to install java as per: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian   and have gotten to step 13 where I cannot do apt-get install java-compiler-dummy.control   help?
[03:16] <GOwin> hmm .. while browsing around aptitude i found "ubuntu-desktop" under tasks>unrecognized tasks
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> Cool! There is naked people wallpaper to match the Gnome splash!
[03:16] <PenguinBoy> where????????????????
[03:16] <LinuxJones> GOwin, can you get your internet up and running ?
[03:17] <GOwin> linuxJones, maybe. i feel lost with CLI. can you help?
[03:17] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> thank ye kind sir
[03:18] <LinuxJones> GOwin, ok do you know what kind of network card you have ?
[03:18] <swim> hrmm damn
[03:21] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know why its called callender wallpaper when there is no callender?
[03:22] <jdub> Phr0stByte: because it will be updated every month
[03:23] <Phr0stByte> jdub: would be kinda cool to have a callender on it though...
[03:23] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[03:23] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[03:23] <Se7h> damn
[03:23] <Se7h> why this happens? 
[03:25] <spaaz9> hi all, I'm having a problem, and hoping someone can help.  I can't get X to start.  I have an nVidia pci card, but my onboard video is detected.  on boot, it says ignoring pci display device on PCI:01:0e.0  Changing my driver to nVidia doesn't help any... gdm still won't start.  How do I fix this so that my pci card is loaded?
[03:26] <punkass> spaaz: do you have to turn your onboard video off in the bios?
[03:26] <spaaz9> yes
[03:27] <PenguinBoy> my wallpaper will not change
[03:27] <punkass> in your x86config file are you calling the driver 'nvidia' or 'nVidia'?
[03:28] <spaaz9> The only time I've had this problem before is when Lycoris Desktop/LX detected my onboard, but by selecting the nvidia driver, it worked.  I've never seen my pci card ignored during boot.  I think it has to do with the way the installer detected my components.
[03:28] <spaaz9> punkass nvidia
[03:28] <punkass> hmm
[03:29] <PenguinBoy> phrostbyte how do I change backgrounds?
[03:29] <spaaz9> I know.. it's weird.  I've never encountered this problem, and I've used over 10 different distros
[03:29] <punkass> does lcpci  list your nvidia card?
[03:29] <spaaz9> yes
[03:29] <punkass> you cant  modprobe nvidia  then restart X?
[03:30] <spaaz9> you meant lspci...   lemme try modprobe.. just a sec.
[03:30] <punkass> sorry yes i did :)
[03:30] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: Your using Gnome?
[03:30] <punkass> you have to edit /etc/modules and add   nvidia  to it so it loads the nvidia driver on boot up
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> yes
[03:31] <spaaz9> hmmm... when I startx, it says no screens found... 
[03:31] <spaaz9> ok.. lemme try that.
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> I left clicked on the desktop.......clicked on the calendar wallpaper....but still seeign the ubuntu default
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: right-click the desktop and choose the last optin
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> did that
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> then............
[03:31] <punkass> PenguinBoy: did u logout after updating?
[03:31] <spaaz9> punkass it's already in there.  nvidia loads on boot.
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> nope
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> brb
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> -P
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> DUH
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:32] <punkass> spaaz9: sorry man not sure...have to wait for someone smarter :)
[03:32] <spaaz9> alright.. thanks for your help.  
[03:32] <punkass> np
[03:33] <defendguin> hey punkass
[03:33] <punkass> sup
[03:33] <spaaz9> I posted on the ubuntuforums.org, so hopefully someone gets back to me
[03:33] <defendguin> are you using that icon?
[03:33] <punkass> oh the forums are up?
[03:33] <punkass> cool
[03:33] <punkass> spaaz9: well if you hang around here for a bit..i am sure someone will be able to help
[03:33] <PenguinBoy> back
[03:34] <punkass> defendguin: whats up?
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: got the naked people?
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> yeah
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:34] <spaaz9> punkass I hope so.  I mean, I'm using ubuntu right now.. Just with no GUI
[03:34] <spaaz9> Good thing I'm handy with the command line
[03:34] <punkass> doh.
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> so this desktop will change every month?
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: yep
[03:35] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: yeah - kinda saves ya the trouble, dont it?
[03:36] <PenguinBoy> neat idea!
[03:36] <punkass> defendguin: sorry missed your question, not yet, only because i havent really had any time to work on it
[03:36] <punkass> defendguin: i am hoping to get some time in the next couple o days
[03:37] <spaaz9> brb
[03:41] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time !!
[03:42] <defendguin> punkass im still trying to perfect my icon drawing craft so let me know what you need
[03:42] <punkass> defendguin: ok will do thanks... i am still trying to perfect my python code writing :)
[03:43] <defendguin> hehe
[03:43] <defendguin> its not a bad app
[03:43] <defendguin> maybe could use a better UI
[03:43] <punkass> yeah it could
[03:44] <defendguin> like some sort of saved profiles
[03:44] <punkass> i would really like to make it an applet..but i think ill try to get the code working better first
[03:44] <D1-> does anyone know where I could possibly download the ubuntu icon set?
[03:44] <punkass> well it does remeber essids and keys 
[03:44] <defendguin> punkass why an applet?
[03:44] <Phr0stByte> D1: ubuntu-artwork
[03:45] <punkass> just easier to access, and i could have it so that it auto scans and the icon would change if a network is found
[03:45] <punkass> then icon would change agian once you are connected
[03:45] <defendguin> there are way too many applets as it is
[03:45] <defendguin> lol
[03:45] <punkass> true
[03:45] <Randomize> OK, I'm following a HOWTO about adding truetype fonts to X, and it's not working for me.  Any suggestions?
[03:46] <defendguin> what about an application you run with a notification icon?
[03:46] <jdub> Randomize: computer > desktop preferences > fonts
[03:46] <D1-> Phr0stByte: thanks. do you know of an online repository that houses it though?
[03:46] <punkass> i am trying to create a python wrapper for iwlib so i dont have to deal with parsing stdout and stderr
[03:46] <Randomize> jdub:  They aren't listed there.
[03:46] <punkass> ooo that might be an idea
[03:46] <jdub> Randomize: click details, then 'go to font folder'
[03:47] <Phr0stByte> D1: should be the default Ubuntu ones
[03:47] <Randomize> Just drop 'em in there?
[03:47] <jdub> Randomize: yep :)
[03:48] <Randomize> Mmm, I choose "paste files" from the menu, then hit CTRL-R to refresh, and they still aren't there.
[03:49] <D1-> ahh, found it. thanks a lot!
[03:49] <Vertice> hey there guys
[03:50] <Vertice> wondering where i could find a package list ? like packages.debian.org
[03:50] <Vertice> i got my friend to install ubuntu, and i am trying to walk him through installing mplayer from the unnoficial apt-source
[03:51] <punkass> what not just use totem-xine ?\
[03:51] <Vertice> because mplayer is usefull for a great many things.
[03:52] <Vertice> and he is used to mplayer. 
[03:52] <Vertice> and he likes mplayer.
[03:52] <punkass> ah
[03:52] <Vertice> =)
[03:52] <solowlr> i'm curious, will ubuntu come with KDE someday?
[03:52] <punkass> you can install it now i believe
[03:52] <Solkaris> lets hope not
[03:52] <punkass> but i doubt it will ever 'come' with it
[03:53] <Randomize> jdub:  I cant paste files into that folder, apparently.
[03:53] <solowlr> i like the "cleanliness" of gnome but KDE has some nice integrated apps
[03:53] <solowlr> :(
[03:53] <solowlr> like kontact....
[03:54] <Solkaris> solowlr then use a KDE based distro
[03:54] <solowlr> i like Ubuntu's philosophy, if you will
[03:54] <Dashiva> or install kde
[03:54] <Dashiva> it's not hard
[03:55] <punkass> Randomize: it looks like its a root folder
[03:55] <punkass> so u dont have permission as a normal user... (just my guess)
[03:55] <PenguinBoy> can you apt-get kde?
[03:55] <punkass> PenguinBoy: i believe so
[03:55] <Randomize> punkass:  Which only brings me back to my original question.  What's the "correct" way to do this?
[03:56] <solowlr> now that would be cool, i wonder if it would function correctly...
[03:56] <PenguinBoy> someone said the other night they installed kde and hard some trouble with ti
[03:56] <Dashiva> hmm
[03:56] <Dashiva> i dunno
[03:58] <punkass> Rantomize: well according to the help file that is the way to do it...hmmm
[03:58] <punkass> Randomize :)
[03:58] <Randomize> Unfortunately that leaves me where I am.
[03:59] <tck> PenguinBoy, its in the synaptic list anyhow
[03:59] <tck> about 144 mb
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> tck: kewl
[04:01] <pedro_g> whoa did an update and got a new gdm theme as well
[04:02] <jsubl2> I got cdrdao to build in ubuntu -- http://ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=1190#1190
[04:02] <jsubl2> cdrdao is missing for the amd64 platform..  it is a must have for k3b
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> what is the correct file now to apt-get mplayer and Real Player?
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> file name
[04:05] <Randomize> jdub / punkass:  Got it working.  Stopping and restarting gdm didn't result in an updated fonts list like the howto stated, so I had to force the issue with xset.
[04:11] <Vertice> mplayer is one of the top 3 applications i install
[04:12] <Vertice> next to firefox and xmms.
[04:12] <Vertice> it annoys me that it can't be distributed with distributions
[04:12] <Vertice> it's just so damn usefull. 
[04:12] <PenguinBoy> how do you apt-get it?
[04:12] <Vertice> working that out now.
[04:13] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[04:13] <Vertice> from there  :
[04:13] <Vertice> http://debian.udsu.ru/.1/debian-soft/marillat/
[04:13] <Vertice> add that to your sources.list : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:14] <Vertice> and theoretically apt-get update apt-get install mplayer-686 (or -k7)
[04:14] <Vertice> however. 
[04:14] <Vertice> they just updated it yesterday to packages that aren't part of ubuntu
[04:14] <Vertice> infact.
[04:14] <Solkaris> dont forget to yank totem-gstreamer and replace with Totem-xine also
[04:14] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[04:14] <Vertice> it's lovely that the packages haven't been pushed to the servers yet
[04:15] <Vertice> so i would hold off on attempting it for a day or so.
[04:15] <Vertice> anyway
[04:15] <dayson> I have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?
[04:15] <Solkaris> artwork
[04:15] <Solkaris> =)
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> yeah!
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> naked people
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:16] <Randomize> The Benetton people are going to come hunt us all down! :)
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:17] <cdk> Hi all.  I can't get my new Ubuntu to boot.  It hangs running 'usb.rc'.
[04:17] <Solkaris> yea but you cant see anything .. you see more revealing pictures in cheesy ad filled magazines
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:17] <Randomize> I've got to grab fgl_glxgears from outside of the default source trees, right?
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> maybe next month they will be more revelaing LOL
[04:18] <punkass> anyone here use SWIG before?
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> nope
[04:18] <punkass> ls
[04:18] <punkass> oops :)
[04:19] <theprophet> Hi
[04:19] <PenguinBoy> Hey
[04:20] <dayson> I have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?
[04:20] <theprophet> Does anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> artwork dayson
[04:20] <dayson> thats it?
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> pretty much
[04:20] <dayson> just how it looks?
[04:20] <Solkaris> Dayson I had like 11 files downloaded
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> change your background t the monthly wallpaper
[04:20] <Solkaris> hell man run synaptic and see what it says 
[04:21] <dayson> dont have it right now
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> k
[04:21] <dayson> back on windows for the moment :(
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> boo
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> why on Windows?????
[04:21] <dayson> cs:s
[04:21] <dayson> games really
[04:21] <Randomize> So, I'm going to ask a question that I have asked a few times, and never really see a solid answer on.  Please don't flame.
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> si
[04:21] <dayson> winex = money I dont have
[04:21] <theprophet> Does anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> 10-15 business days
[04:22] <theprophet> Ok, thanks
[04:22] <theprophet> Where are they sent from? :)
[04:22] <Randomize> If I compile a working plugin for gstreamer and can't add that filetype to Rhythmbox, does that mean I have to remove the gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox software from ubuntu and do the whole smack from scratch?
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> hey jedi
[04:23] <PenguinBoy> i would say yes....but I am no expert
[04:24] <PenguinBoy> jeu ohmer
[04:24] <Solkaris> what do you mean add the filetype to Rhythmbox .. IE it wont play it?
[04:24] <Ohmer> re
[04:24] <PenguinBoy> night guys!
[04:24] <Solkaris> night Penguinboy
[04:24] <Randomize> I made a working faad plugin, and can use it with gst-launch-0.8 at the console, but Rhythmbox doesnt recognize m4a/aac files as a valid filetype so won't launch them / add them to the library.
[04:25] <Solkaris> Randomize got me on that one
[04:26] <Randomize> My understanding (probably flawed) from surfing the net is that Rhythmbox 0.8.4+ are supposed to be able to dynamically recognize the new filetypes after running a gst-register, but apparently that's not happening.
[04:26] <tom_> soundblaster audigy is full of static after installing lirc
[04:27] <Solkaris> Randomize not sure .. but if you actual pull open the Rhythmbox docs it says it plays MP3, FLAC, and OGG and thats all thats listed
[04:28] <jason> Anybody on AMD64?
[04:28] <jsubl2> jason, yeah
[04:28] <jason> do you have an Nvidia card?
[04:28] <jsubl2> jason, yeah
[04:28] <jason> do you have working drivers?
[04:28] <dayson> okay guys so if I installed last weeks vs should I bother installing todays update?
[04:30] <Solkaris> dayson hell yea .. get the naked people
[04:30] <dayson> lol okay thanks
[04:30] <dayson> really though is that the only good thing about the update?
[04:30] <Solkaris> dayson there where other updates
[04:30] <Randomize> Solk:  There are posts (largely pertaining to other distros) here and there from people who have aac working.  It just looks like they had to recompile the whole shebang from CVS to make it happen.
[04:30] <jsubl2> jason -- apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic nvidia-glx...  then add nvidia to /etc/modules..  then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change nv to nvidia.  then sudo modprobe nvidia.  then control-alt-backspace to restart X
[04:30] <Solkaris> couple of gnome files and such
[04:31] <dayson> okay then I'll do that tonight
[04:31] <dayson> you guys should me see me back on in about an hour
[04:31] <dayson> see ya and thanks
[04:31] <Randomize> I think I'm just going to have to dump gstreamer / rhythm and go to mplayer / xine for the time being.  It's probably just a "not ready for primetime" thing.
[04:31] <Solkaris> Randomize which would mean that the version that works is in CVS only .. so theres your answer =) bust out the compiler
[04:31] <Solkaris> later dayson
[04:32] <Randomize> Yah, rebuilding all of gstreamer, it's plugins, and rhytmbox is a bit beyond me.  As in, it makes me weep. :)
[04:32] <Randomize> Dependency after dependency after dependency ... :)
[04:32] <Solkaris> Randomize yep yep 
[04:33] <Randomize> Plus, I don't know if I'm supposed to uninstall the existing versions that came with Ubuntu, first.  And if I DO have to, they're linked to ubuntu-desktop. ;)
[04:33] <Solkaris> Randomize I left Rhythmbox in place etc just added xmms for other stuff for now and of course replaced totem-gstreamer with totem-xine
[04:33] <Dashiva> yeah thta bugged me too
[04:33] <Dashiva> why is xine-gstreamer even used when it's buggy
[04:34] <Randomize> Normally, I'd sympathize with the people who go "d00d, switch to ogg!" but I hate having a multi-format jukebox and I have to stay with m4a for the GF's toys.
[04:34] <Solkaris> I honestly thought about yanking gstreamer totally .. but decided I wasnt going to break this install playing like I usually do
[04:35] <Solkaris> Dashiva because the gnome guys want gstreamer to work .. its just the pesky reality that at this junction it doesn't, but there is always hope
[04:35] <Randomize> Oh well, I'm going to dump this install and redo it again later, so I guess I'll see if I can fix my glibc problem and try to compile all of this without starting a forest fire.
[04:35] <Solkaris> goodluck Randomize
[04:36] <Solkaris> if you get it to work you should put together some .debs of the finished working version
[04:37] <staticactivity> i have a video file (divx) in which the audio and video streams are out of sync, is there an application to correct this
[04:37] <staticactivity> sorry if this is an inappropriate post
[04:37] <jsubl2> Randomize, what platform you on x86?
[04:37] <X0563511> need some help
[04:37] <Randomize> jsubl2:  Yep.
[04:38] <X0563511> I just installed Ubuntu from the latest warty ISO...
[04:38] <X0563511> it never asked me for a root password... now i need to login as root or SU...
[04:38] <jsubl2> congrats
[04:38] <jsubl2> X0563511, sudo
[04:39] <X0563511> don't you need the root pass for that?
[04:39] <daniels> X0563511: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:39] <jsubl2> X0563511, yeah read that   what daniels posted
[04:40] <X0563511> why was the password not set int he install script though? its not like it cant be done... debian did it themselves
[04:40] <jsubl2> read the link
[04:40] <X0563511> arg. why is that though?
[04:40] <daniels> X0563511: it was intentionally removed
[04:40] <X0563511> ok one more question: (note i havent tried yet so)
[04:40] <daniels> X0563511: a) for better security (people have to guess your username, then your password), b) people have a tendency to forget their root password
[04:41] <X0563511> i elected not to connect during setup (my wireless needs ndiswrapper)
[04:41] <X0563511> 1: can ubuntu access NTFS by default?
[04:41] <X0563511> 2: what do i do to enable updates again
[04:41] <Dashiva> if i nuke ubuntu-desktop what will that do
[04:41] <X0563511> daniels: well. that DOES make sense
[04:41] <Dashiva> it seems like it's a placeholder package
[04:42] <X0563511> anyone?
[04:43] <Randomize> I honestly don't know whether the libntfs is on the warty CD or not.
[04:43] <jsubl2> might have to check out http://ntfs.sf.net
[04:44] <Randomize> There's a ntfs package available from Synaptic though.
[04:44] <X0563511> trouble is im not IN ubuntu now (i need ndiswrapper for it-its sitting on my NTFS winxp drive)
[04:44] <jsubl2> the url is wrong.  not sure what it is
[04:44] <Glub> Is the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct?
[04:44] <X0563511> well... i can mount a USB storage drive right?
[04:44] <Pizbit> Yep
[04:45] <X0563511> usually its /dev/sda1... will it probably still be that?
[04:45] <jsubl2> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
[04:45] <Randomize> http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/
[04:46] <X0563511> well... ill find it. ty for the help guys - i would have never figured out the root mystery.
[04:46] <Pizbit> X0563511: Probably, don't use ubuntu yet but I thought it automounts usb storage stuff
[04:46] <Randomize> It does.
[04:46] <Randomize> Firewire too, apparently, since I just smacked my iPod in.
[04:46] <Pizbit> Hehe
[04:47] <X0563511> well ill be back if i have any further trouble. thanks again
[04:47] <X0563511> <note- i noticed the battery and wifi signal icons... FINALLY!>
[04:48] <Glub> Is the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct??????????
[04:48] <Randomize> It's out.
[04:48] <jason> How do I get Nvidia drivers working on AMD64????
[04:49] <jason> I have the nvidia-glx package but it wont load the module
[04:49] <Randomize> One of the many mysteries I've run into in the past week, I don't understand why they provide libfaad2 at audiocoding.com but not libfaad2-dev
[04:49] <jsubl2> jason http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=250&highlight=amd64
[04:50] <Glub> Randomize: Where do I get it then, it's not on the US server AKAICT
[04:50] <Randomize> UK server had the ISO earlier.  Dunno about spain.
[04:50] <Randomize> It's indicated on the website.
[04:51] <Glub> okay It's on UK just not US yet
[04:52] <Pizbit> When is the next proper release expected?
[04:52] <Pizbit> Roughly:D
[04:53] <Keybuk> Pizbit: within the next week
[04:53] <Keybuk> October 20th is the scheduled date
[04:53] <Pizbit> Ah sweet, I'll hold off till then.
[04:53] <ushooz> they changed all the art. I liked the old default Ubuntu art
[04:54] <Keybuk> Pizbit: it'd be better if you grabbed the RC and tested it, because the release next week is warty final -- and then it's a 6 month wait until hoary
[04:54] <Randomize> Yah, they just changed the default.
[04:55] <Glub> Pizbit: I'm in Welly too, could burn you a copy if you like
[04:55] <Pizbit> Oh, getting and burning isn't a problem:)
[05:00] <jason> ok I installed all the nvidia packages but when I try to modprobe it cant find the nvidia module
[05:00] <jason> I am using the default kernel
[05:02] <tim_> Can I upgrade to RC from PR?
[05:02] <tim_> or do I have to download the new iso?
[05:03] <tim_> mmmkay I'll go get the iso now
[05:03] <Randomize> From what people are saying, I think Synaptic is supposed to have the (11?) packages that changed.
[05:03] <tim_> hmm
[05:03] <Se7h> man, rhythmbox is drivin' me nuts
[05:03] <tim_> Yah I tried running synaptic, it found 4 new packages, and all failed to Download
[05:03] <Se7h> import a dir does work quite well
[05:04] <Randomize> Se7h:  It can smell fear.  Be careful not to look at it for more than half a second or it will strike.
[05:04] <tim_> muahha
[05:04] <Se7h> lolol
[05:04] <jason> man this would be sweet if I could get nvidia drivers working
[05:04] <tim_> wouldn't it
[05:04] <tim_> I haven't tried
[05:04] <Randomize> Se7h: You may want to go to a (i think root) console and run "rhythmbox -d" to see the debug output.
[05:05] <Se7h> jason just synamtip them
[05:05] <Se7h> ;P
[05:05] <jason> vesa drivers suck
[05:05] <jason> I did
[05:05] <jason> and I followed the FAQ
[05:05] <jason> it doesn't work
[05:05] <goatboy_> jason: what does `uname -r` say?
[05:05] <Se7h> no faq man
[05:05] <jason> sec
[05:05] <Se7h> go to synamtipc
[05:05] <Se7h> and download nvidia drivers
[05:05] <Se7h> they'r installed
[05:05] <Se7h> just restart X
[05:05] <jason> 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8
[05:05] <Se7h> and voila
[05:06] <jason> unfortunantly it doesn't work like that
[05:06] <jason> se7h
[05:06] <goatboy_> jason: did you install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8?
[05:06] <jason> i dunno ill check
[05:07] <Pizbit> Restricted modules?
[05:07] <ushooz> jason, you also need to add nvidai to the /etc/modules file so that it loads the module at boot
[05:07] <ushooz> nvidai = nvidia
[05:07] <jason> no I didn't goatboy_
[05:07] <Solkaris> and you need to change the driver for X that is loaded 
[05:08] <goatboy_> do so :)
[05:08] <Solkaris> and enable GLX and kill GLCore 
[05:08] <jason> awsome
[05:08] <jason> thanks
[05:09] <ushooz> aye and change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 change nv to nvidia comment out GLCore and dri make sure glx is listed
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:468 (04:07:46): loading metadata for uri: file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_typefind_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:421 (04:07:46): found type text/plain
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_eos_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:316 (04:07:46): caught eos
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:544 (04:07:46): caught eos without handoff!
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (04:07:46): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl with detected type text/plain
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (04:07:46): unsupported file
[05:09] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[05:09] <Se7h> lol?
[05:09] <Pizbit> Se7h: www.pastebin.com :D
[05:10] <Se7h> rhythmbox trying to load img
[05:10] <Se7h> erm
[05:10] <jgeorgeson> anyone using KDE from universe?
[05:10] <Randomize> Nice playlist. :)
[05:11] <jgeorgeson> anyone?
[05:11] <ushooz> no KDE here
[05:11] <Solkaris> no KDE .. thats why I use Ubuntu
[05:12] <ushooz> I use SuSE for KDE
[05:12] <ushooz> Ubuntu = Gnome for me
[05:12] <jgeorgeson> yeah. I have one KDE app and it's butt ugly with the default themes. but for some reason the kde pref app has no configurable settings for me. :(
[05:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: some people are, yeah
[05:13] <daniels> jgeorgeson: even if you run 'kcmshell style'?
[05:13] <daniels> jgeorgeson: (or just find the Style applet in kcontrol)
[05:13] <GOwin> how do i specify an ntlm proxy for ubuntu so i can download from synaptic?
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> daniels, there are no applets listed in kcontrol, that's the problem.
[05:14] <tim_> anyone know why BitTorrent won't work?  I installed the package, but when i run btdownloadgui it complains about not having libwxgtk2.3-python
[05:14] <daniels> jgeorgeson: oh, bong
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> tim_, did you install libwxgtk?
[05:14] <daniels> jgeorgeson: what happens if you try running 'kcmshell style'?
[05:14] <tim_> jgeorgeson, It's not listed in Synaptic
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> "kcmshell: WARNING: Could not find module 'style'."
[05:15] <theantix> tim_: use bittornado-gui
[05:15] <tim_> ok I'll try that
[05:15] <jgeorgeson> tim_, search google for it
[05:15] <tim_> jgeorgeson, ok
[05:15] <daniels> jgeorgeson: weird
[05:15] <theantix> tim_: you can find the wxpython library in ubuntu universe, but bittornado is nicer anyhow
[05:16] <tim_> theantix, yes I am a fan of BitTornado, I'll habve to DL that seperately then?
[05:16] <Solkaris> blah both those for BT use Azureus
[05:16] <theantix> tim_: no it's in universe as well
[05:17] <jgeorgeson> daniels, the strangest part is that if i create a new user, kcontrol works fine if it's the first thing i run after loggin in. not sure what is happening to break it
[05:17] <tim_> theantix, then should I add this universe as a repository?
[05:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: that's really weird.  i'm not sure, sorry.
[05:18] <jgeorgeson> daniels: np, i use gnome for my desktop. it's just the one app that i use (apollon), 
[05:18] <theantix> tim_: yes -- see this faq entry http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[05:18] <milkman638> hello everyone, does anyone want to help me configure sound
[05:19] <Solkaris> no
[05:19] <Solkaris> err maybe
[05:19] <tim_> theantix, ty
[05:19] <milkman638> I'll take that as a yes
[05:20] <milkman638> At the moment I can'
[05:20] <milkman638> At the moment I can't hear anything, I remember working w/o a hastle under normal debian
[05:21] <X0563511> Im going to rebuild my kernel in ubuntu... kernel 2.6.8.1 (the one with ubuntu is 2.6.8.1-2)... there any useful changes that im going to lose?
[05:21] <milkman638> what command line options can I use to configure sound
[05:21] <theantix> milkman638: have you checked all of the mixer settings to make sure they aren't mute or all the way down?
[05:21] <aitrus> X0563511: there are quite a few kernel updates available for ubuntu
[05:21] <milkman638> everything is turn on and all the way up
[05:21] <X0563511> aitrus: i cant go online untill i get the source... ndiswrapper needs it
[05:22] <X0563511> aitrus: i can get it through windows though... links to the files?
[05:22] <Dashiva> milkman638, what app are you running
[05:22] <Se7h> lol this rhythmbox is nuts
[05:22] <Se7h> to load image files
[05:22] <Se7h> :S
[05:23] <milkman638> sound doesn't work through any app I've tried (rhythmbox, real player10, and whatever the default video player is)
[05:23] <Dashiva> what sound card?
[05:23] <aitrus> X0563511: archive.ubuntu.org
[05:23] <milkman638> sound blaster live (emuk101)
[05:23] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:23] <Dashiva> i'm running the same card atm
[05:23] <aitrus> X0563511: there are many different archives there
[05:23] <Dashiva> and pcm is up in all the mixers
[05:23] <aitrus> i have a SB Live, too
[05:24] <GOwin> how do i set a proxy for the ubuntu installation?
[05:24] <X0563511> link is dead
[05:24] <X0563511> ubuntu or ubuntulinux
[05:24] <X0563511> ubuntulinux
[05:24] <Pizbit> Dashiva: The main volume is up too right?
[05:25] <Dashiva> Pizbit, i'm not the one with the problem
[05:25] <dayson> Okay guys those naken people are over rated I was hoping for something a lot better
[05:25] <milkman638> The main volume on the volume control gui yes
[05:26] <tim_> omg where has this Distro been all my life?!  lol, this is amazing
[05:26] <eNiNjA> heh
[05:26] <tim_> what's the best way to do a quick sound test
[05:26] <tim_> I wanna see if mine's working
[05:26] <X0563511> find an ogg file?
[05:26] <dayson> I have to get rid of those people on my boot up how do I do that?
[05:26] <tim_> :P
[05:26] <tim_> ok I'll just mount my windows partition and open a file
[05:26] <X0563511> tim_: hit backspace on the term... you should get a beep i think
[05:26] <Dashiva> but milkman638 pcm needs to be all the way up too
[05:26] <tim_> ok
[05:27] <tim_> pc spkr, I believe
[05:27] <X0563511> tim_: not sure if youll get it through soundcard or the tinspeaker though
[05:27] <tim_> but that worked
[05:27] <tim_> :P
[05:27] <X0563511> lol
[05:27] <milkman638> geeeesh! I just notice that there are about 100 controls for the sound blaster
[05:28] <tim_> yah
[05:28] <tim_> about 100
[05:28] <tim_> I have Audigy 2 ZS
[05:28] <milkman638> I'm going to turn all of them up and unmute them
[05:28] <tim_> :P there ya go
[05:28] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, but why is Bluefish still at 0.12 in universe when 0.13 has been out for 2 or 3 months?
[05:28] <bborkk> Does anyone know how to check the version of a driver?  In particular, my wireless card driver is the ipw2200 and I want to check its version against the latest release.
[05:29] <bborkk> ficusplanet: Debian packages tend to lag a bit behind.
[05:30] <bborkk> ficusplanet: Presumably, this is due to the time it takes for someone to update the package, although I'm not entirely sure.
[05:30] <ficusplanet> bborkk, Thanks for the info.
[05:31] <tim_> wow
[05:31] <calc> newest is 0.12
[05:31] <tim_> my Audigy 2 ZS works better in Linux than in Windows
[05:31] <calc> bborkk: btw does it work well?
[05:31] <bborkk> calc: What is 'it'?
[05:32] <calc> the ipw2200 with the linux driver
[05:32] <calc> i'm thinking of buying one for my amd64 laptop if it works fairly well
[05:32] <bborkk> calc: It works well in the sense that I'm doing this over a wireless connection.  But...
[05:33] <bborkk> calc: There's still no RF monitor mode support and my current configuration doesn't seem to play well with ACPI, although that may not be the driver's fault.
[05:33] <calc> what kind of problems do you have?
[05:33] <calc> oh ok
[05:34] <bborkk> calc: I do know that the driver reports errors occasionally when I close my laptop.
[05:34] <ficusplanet> Have any Ubuntu devs checked out Garret's new forms.css for Firefox/Mozilla?  It really improves the appearence of form controls.  I think it would be a really good/easy enchancement for the final Warty release.
[05:34] <bborkk> calc: Some sort of DMA problem.
[05:34] <calc> bborkk: oh ok
[05:37] <bborkk> Okay, no takers on the driver version question... how about this one: Has anyone succeeded in getting fglrx (the driver for ATI's FireGL T2 graphics card) to play nicely with ACPI?
[05:39] <milkman638> Dashiva: I've turned up and unmuted everything including PCM and I still can't hear anything
[05:40] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:40] <Dashiva> speakers plugged in and all that?
[05:40] <Dashiva> also make sure the oss and alsa mixers are turned up
[05:40] <Dashiva> there are tabs on the gnome mixer
[05:41] <robertbrimhall> hello
[05:42] <dewey> hi
[05:42] <milkman638> Dashiva: yep everything is plugged in and all tabs have maxed out unmuted controls
[05:42] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:42] <Dashiva> open a console and do a 'lsmod'
[05:42] <Dashiva> make sure snd_emu10k1 is there
[05:42] <Dashiva> you might also try opening a root console and doing 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and retrying your apps
[05:46] <milkman638> Dashiva: snd_emuk10k1 is there, I tried modprobe snd-pcm-oss and still no sound, would I need to reboot linux after doing any of this to get it to work
[05:46] <Pizbit> Nah, once something is modprobed it should work
[05:47] <Dashiva> nah
[05:47] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:47] <Dashiva> i wonder if you have one of those emu10k1 cards that really isn't
[05:47] <Dashiva> i mean the logical conclusion is that there's something wrong with the drivers
[05:48] <milkman638> yeah, but I remember getting it to work using the emu10k1 driver under debian-woody
[05:49] <Dashiva> the only other thing is run one of those apps from a console and see what it spits out in the console as it runs
[05:50] <dewey> ok I forget how to unpack a .tgz file?
[05:51] <tseng> tar xvzf
[05:55] <GOwin> help. i can browse to internet sites but i cannot downoad synaptic packages. :(
[05:56] <chevrofreak> hello thar
[05:56] <milkman638> Dashiva: hmmm... I just notice that I can hear music cd's just find (before I was trying an MP3, a variable bitrate one at that)
[05:56] <chevrofreak> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 | AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor 401.018 MHz | Mem: 93/192M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 3G Free: 1G | Bogomips: 788.48 | Screen Res: 1024x768 | Procs: 78 |   | Up:  21:56:52 up  9:19,  2 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.02 | eth0: In: 196.36M Out: 7.67M
[05:57] <opi> 1, 2, 3 -- testing livecd :)
[05:57] <chevrofreak> 4, 5, 6 works
[05:57] <Dashiva> milkman638, 10 bucks its a pcm slider somewhere then
[05:57] <chevrofreak> ubuntu is da poop
[05:58] <opi> I have to say this
[05:58] <opi> Ubuntu is first LiveCD that found my gf network WiFi card 
[05:58] <chevrofreak> tried knoppix?
[05:58] <opi> didn't work ;p
[05:58] <chevrofreak> suck
[05:59] <chevrofreak> ubuntu had drivers for every piece of hardware in my POS
[05:59] <opi> Well, I was just checking anyway, she don't want Slackware, Debian or Gentoo ;)
[05:59] <opi> seems so also for my desktop box
[06:00] <chevrofreak> i'm not a linux gy, but Ubuntu definately might change that
[06:01] <opi> nice to hear that
[06:01] <opi> chevrofreak, im testing Ubuntu for my friend who also want to try Linux experience
[06:01] <bborkk> yeah, we all say that.
[06:02] <chevrofreak> i have had previous linux experience though, which did help me out in installing ubuntu
[06:02] <tvon> sooooo, who came up with the new artwork?
[06:02] <chevrofreak> slackware kicked my ass
[06:02] <punkass> hey bborkk
[06:02] <opi> chevrofreak, Im lucky, because Im running Linux since fey years ;)
[06:02] <bborkk> punkass: word up.
[06:03] <punkass> bborkk: trying to figure out how to create this wrapper
[06:03] <dayson> hey do I search for a program? I think it installed but I'm not sure and I cant remember the command for it
[06:03] <lobo_nz> I just installed ubuntu, updating from the net as I went and gnome dosn't seem to load, I have naked people smiling at me and a cursor but no gnome
[06:03] <tvon> cmon, fess up...who's the dirty little hacker?
[06:03] <bborkk> punkass: Wrapper for pyfi?
[06:03] <punkass> bborkk: found something called SWIG that will generate a python wrapper from C code
[06:03] <punkass> yeah
[06:04] <bborkk> punkass: for or from C code?
[06:04] <punkass> from C
[06:04] <punkass> well for i gues
[06:04] <punkass> s
[06:04] <punkass> lol
[06:04] <punkass> it will allow me to import a python module that will interface with iwlib.c
[06:04] <chevrofreak> does apt-get upgrade upgrade the kernel too?
[06:05] <Dashiva> yeh
[06:05] <chevrofreak> spiffy
[06:05] <Dashiva> indeed
[06:05] <bborkk> punkass: Okay.  I've never used SWIG, but I hear it's what you want for that situation.  (I'd call it a wrapper for C code, but eh.)
[06:05] <chevrofreak> woohoo, someone else that uses that word :P
[06:06] <chevrofreak> i've watched too much Stargate
[06:06] <punkass> yeah 'for'
[06:06] <bborkk> chevrofreak: eh?
[06:06] <chevrofreak> "indeed"
[06:06] <opi> bborkk, ,,spiffy'' ;)
[06:07] <bborkk> punkass: You can't call iwlib through a system call?
[06:07] <punkass> not sure.
[06:07] <milkman638> Okay what's going on, I've double checked every audio control, I've tried play mp3's ogg's wav's and cd's, and only cd audio works
[06:08] <punkass> i had to go get the wireless tools source...as iwlib is nowhere to be found on ubuntu
[06:08] <chevrofreak> milkman638, what audio player are you using?
[06:09] <milkman638> trying in realplayer 10, rhythmbox, and totern
[06:09] <chevrofreak> hmm
[06:09] <chevrofreak> i use Rhythmbox 0.8.5
[06:09] <chevrofreak> no problems yet
[06:09] <Pizbit> cd audio probably works cause it uses a cable form the cd drive to the sound card.
[06:09] <bborkk> punkass: Huh.  Yeah, apt-cache search iwlib doesn't turn up anything.
[06:10] <chevrofreak> you running gnome?
[06:10] <ob> anyone know what i can do to get tuxracer working?  yes, i know it's not "supported."
[06:10] <punkass> milkman:  did u run   alsamixer ?
[06:10] <ob> but it if says /dev/sequencer not found, then there's a problem with midi.
[06:10] <ob> and i use midi frequently.
[06:10] <milkman638> gnome 2.8 (the standard ubuntu 4.10 ditro)
[06:10] <chevrofreak> gnome has they ghey little speaker on the panel as a volume control
[06:11] <chevrofreak> messed with that at all?
[06:11] <ushooz> anyone know the package to get esddsp from. Does not appear to be installed by default
[06:11] <punkass> bborkk: yeah...so i am wondering if its worth it...cuz what would the wrapper inteface with...for anyone that wanted to run pyfi, would they need the source code of wireless tools?
[06:12] <punkass> interface*
[06:12] <bborkk> punkass: Hang on, I'm almost sure I saw some Debian package with iwlib.  Let me dig around.
[06:12] <milkman638> I just ran alsamixer, all the volume is up but it's using my motherboards sound not my sound blaster card, how do I change that
[06:13] <chevrofreak> disable your onboard sound in your BIOS
[06:13] <punkass> bborkk: ok cool...tried looking on debians package search but didnt find anything
[06:13] <chevrofreak> onboard sound is the devil
[06:13] <bborkk> punkass: Debian package search blows chunks.
[06:13] <punkass> milkman: probably disable your onboard sound in the bios
[06:13] <punkass> bborkk: lol
[06:14] <kaplanfx> why is ubuntu already at version 4.10?
[06:14] <dayson> hey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?
[06:14] <bborkk> That's the month it came out.
[06:14] <bborkk> ?
[06:14] <kaplanfx> huh?
[06:14] <tvon> yes
[06:14] <phlaegel> 2004, october
[06:14] <tvon> 4.10 is a date
[06:14] <kaplanfx> 4th of october?
[06:14] <kaplanfx> aha
[06:14] <kaplanfx> makes sense
[06:15] <ob> so... er.  no dice on the /dev/sequencer problem?
[06:15] <Pizbit> ob: oss emulation perhaps.
[06:15] <dayson> hey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?
[06:15] <phlaegel> milkman638: you want the asoundrc I posted on the mailing list earlier to change your default alsa device
[06:16] <chevrofreak> milkman638, you know how to change stuff in your BIOS, dont you?\
[06:16] <milkman638> thanx phlaegel and chevro
[06:16] <milkman638> yep I do
[06:16] <chevrofreak> k
[06:16] <chevrofreak> if you arent using an onboard device its just better to disable it all together
[06:18] <bborkk> punkass: I think I found it.  The Debian package is libiw27.  It looks like what you really want is wireless-tools, which depends on libiw27.  Go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/wireless-tools for package details.
[06:19] <milkman638> okay now my next question is how do I get my wireless card working
[06:19] <punkass> bborkk: nice, thanks
[06:19] <milkman638> I have the driver acx_pci
[06:19] <milkman638> but no go
[06:20] <lamont> what sort of support does warty have for netgear wireless cards?
[06:20] <chevrofreak> any .deb packages for it milkman638?
[06:20] <punkass> bborkk: ah so by default ubuntu installs libiw27 but not libiw-dev
[06:21] <milkman638> nope I just no that acx_pci exists in ubuntu
[06:21] <chevrofreak> hold
[06:21] <ob> heh.
[06:21] <ob> tuxracer works now.  just no sound.
[06:22] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, that's what I remember... we need libiw-dev.  I even installed it the other day when we were discussing this.  C'mon neurons, you can do better than this.
[06:22] <punkass> haha
[06:23] <ob> i should give up and install linspire
[06:23] <chevrofreak> hum
[06:23] <chevrofreak> no ap-get install acx_pci so thats the extent of my solution :P
[06:23] <milkman638> thanks anyway
[06:23] <kaplanfx> milkman638: do you have wireless-tools
[06:23] <chevrofreak> i'm such a n00b
[06:24] <milkman638> yep
[06:24] <kaplanfx> milkman638: did you check to see if the module is being loaded, and what the interface is named?
[06:24] <milkman638> kaplanfx: the module is loaded, how do I check the interface name
[06:25] <kaplanfx> it should be in your syslog or when you loaded the module it should maybe have said
[06:25] <kaplanfx> I dunno about wireless specifically
[06:25] <kaplanfx> but I think iwconfig is the equiv to ifconfig
[06:26] <kaplanfx> so if you know the interface you can prob iwconfig up wlan0
[06:26] <kaplanfx> or something similar
[06:26] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[06:26] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[06:26] <kaplanfx> you'll need to be root
[06:26] <Se7h> busy with what?
[06:26] <kaplanfx> er nm in ubuntu you'll need to use sudo
[06:26] <punkass> sudo ifup wlan0   should do it
[06:26] <kaplanfx> Se7h: are you in the dir?
[06:26] <Se7h> no
[06:26] <Se7h> thats the odd thing
[06:26] <punkass> or  sudo ifup eth1  whatever your device is
[06:27] <kaplanfx> milkman638: yeah thats assuming your device is wlan0 or eth1
[06:27] <kaplanfx> you need to know the device name
[06:27] <bborkk> You can check interfaces with ifconfig -a
[06:27] <punkass> will it get added to the interfaces file tho?
[06:28] <bborkk> no.
[06:28] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Networking
[06:28] <punkass> will allow you to add a new network interface
[06:29] <bborkk> You can add interfaces from there, but we've trouble controlling them from there.
[06:29] <kaplanfx> bborkk: heh cool, I never knew about that
[06:29] <kaplanfx> I've never had a problem, so I've never really looked at the docs
[06:30] <bborkk> yeah, that's the only reason i learn anything.  :)
[06:30] <Se7h> how can i run that "first rhythmbox use" window to search for music files??
[06:30] <bborkk> it will be a sad day when things are easy to use.
[06:30] <kaplanfx> gah
[06:31] <kaplanfx> bborkk: then things will break, and the abstraction layer will be so deep there will be no way to fix things
[06:31] <Se7h> does anyone knows?
[06:31] <bborkk> i love it.
[06:31] <ob> Se7h: buy a mac.
[06:31] <Se7h> uh?
[06:31] <bborkk> Se7h: hang on a sec.
[06:31] <ob> should fix it.
[06:31] <kaplanfx> thats what I like about GNU/Linux, some things break, some things are tough to use, but there is always a solution, and most of the time the os gives you some feedback so you know where to start
[06:31] <bborkk> humbug
[06:32] <kaplanfx> in windows things fail and theres no way to fix them, most of the time you don't even know what went wrong
[06:32] <joem> Se7h, unset the first time flag via gconf
[06:32] <ob> i almost always know what goes wrong with windows.
[06:32] <ob> but i usually cause the problem in the first place.
[06:32] <bborkk> One of my friends put forth a compelling argument to use Windows...
[06:32] <Se7h> joem where's that?
[06:32] <ob> then again, i'm running a heavily kludged version of windows.  it should be its on distro.
[06:33] <ob> s/on/own
[06:33] <bborkk> He liked Windows because the frequent crashes force him to stop working and take a break.
[06:33] <milkman638> okay well to be honest I've already tried setting up the wireless card and it exists in my interfaces file, but iwconfig won't work on it
[06:33] <Se7h> ah
[06:33] <Se7h> done
[06:33] <punkass> bborkk: haha
[06:33] <bborkk> That's one argument I can't win.
[06:33] <bborkk> milkman638: What happens?
[06:34] <ob> i stripped wmp, oe, ie (left the core), windows scripting host, and a lot of services out of my windows iso.  works fine for me.
[06:34] <Se7h> ewrgg
[06:34] <Se7h> dam it
[06:34] <Se7h> im about to punch iut
[06:34] <Se7h> lol
[06:35] <ob> streamlined OOo, firefox, thunderbird, and winamp.
[06:35] <milkman638> bborkk: iwconfig up wlan0 returns " Error: unrecognized wireless request"
[06:35] <Se7h> [0x8210e78]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (05:34:04): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/Justin%20Timberlake/senorita_300.asx with detected type text/plain
[06:35] <Se7h> [0x8210e78]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (05:34:04): unsupported file
[06:35] <bborkk> milkman638: Did you try "sudo ifup wlan0"?
[06:35] <milkman638> bborkk: ifconfig up wlan0 returns "wlan0: Unknown host"
[06:36] <chevrofreak> if you do Ctrl+O and try to import your home directory, what does it do?
[06:36] <Se7h> and rythm keeps "search" for music files
[06:36] <Se7h> emr
[06:36] <Se7h> well
[06:36] <Se7h> time to sleep
[06:36] <Se7h> take care
[06:36] <bborkk> milkman638: Type: "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:37] <bborkk> milkman638: What comes up?
[06:37] <Se7h> ah
[06:37] <Se7h> just one more thing
[06:37] <Se7h> what can i do about the "busy" device ?
[06:37] <bborkk> Leave it alone... it's busy.
[06:37] <Se7h> for hours ?
[06:38] <Se7h> lol
[06:38] <bborkk> Eh.
[06:38] <chevrofreak> is there a disk in it?
[06:38] <Se7h> its a floppy
[06:38] <joem> busy device?
[06:38] <milkman638> bborkk: it returns info on the file and the loopback device and my lan connection (eth0)
[06:38] <punkass> unmount -l /dev/fd0  should do it
[06:38] <Se7h> i just mounted it
[06:38] <Se7h> to copy a file to it
[06:38] <Se7h> now i cant umount
[06:38] <bborkk> milkman638: Okay, then your wireless device isn't listed, right?
[06:39] <punkass> Se7h: -l     Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesys-
[06:39] <punkass>               tem as soon as it is not busy anymore.  
[06:39] <milkman638> bborkk: correct
[06:39] <bborkk> milkman638: Okay, go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking
[06:40] <chevrofreak> ok my turn for a question
[06:40] <Se7h> punkass thanks
[06:40] <punkass> np
[06:40] <Se7h> it worked
[06:40] <chevrofreak> how the hell do i configure my xvncserver?
[06:40] <Se7h> now, how do i format it in ext2 ?
[06:40] <Se7h> mke2fs
[06:40] <Se7h> for hdd
[06:40] <Se7h> what about a floppy ?
[06:40] <joem> mkfs.ext2 /dev/fdx
[06:40] <punkass> mk2fs ext2 /dev/fd0 ?
[06:41] <punkass> ah
[06:41] <milkman638> bborkk: wow, that was easy
[06:41] <Se7h> mke2fs: bad blocks count - /dev/fd0
[06:41] <Se7h> o.0
[06:41] <milkman638> bborkk: either your a genius or I'm a complete idiot
[06:41] <dayson> okay I have a question about my boot up graphical thing
[06:42] <bborkk> milkman638: No comment.  :)
[06:42] <milkman638> I'm leaning towards the latter
[06:42] <dayson> how do I change it so that the naked people do show up?
[06:42] <joem> Se7h, tried just using the gnome floppy tool
[06:42] <punkass> Se7h: mkfs
[06:42] <dayson> dont^
[06:42] <joem> dayson, close your eyes :)
[06:42] <bborkk> milkman638: Your wireless device should show up in the interfaces file now.  
[06:42] <dayson> err thats not much help
[06:43] <Se7h> joem lol...i forget gnome apps
[06:43] <joem> change the background, splash image and gdm theme
[06:43] <joem> make sure to choose non naked people options
[06:43] <Se7h> formating
[06:43] <dayson> is there another one I could download some where?
[06:43] <bborkk> milkman638: sudo ifup wlan0 should also work now.  Of course, you can also try it from the GUI dialog you were just in, but that doesn't always work for me.
[06:44] <dayson> its not the login background image I fixed that one its the thing that comes up when you are logging in and its loading everything right after you put in your password
[06:44] <dayson> how do I change that/
[06:44] <joem> just replace it with another splash image, art.gnome.org has lots of them
[06:44] <bborkk> punkass: Any progress with libiw-dev?  Any documentation on system calls iwlib provides?
[06:44] <joem> there are probably other ones already installed as well
[06:45] <punkass> bborkk: still trying to use this swig to generate a wrapper
[06:45] <bborkk> punkass: Any particular reason to use SWIG over system calls?
[06:46] <punkass> just thought it would be a nicer implentation..to be able just to import a python module
[06:46] <bborkk> okay.
[06:46] <milkman638> goodnight or morning everyone I'm signing off
[06:47] <punkass> are you just talkin about calling the C functions from within python script?
[06:47] <joem> dayson, /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[06:47] <joem> gconf key
[06:47] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, I just figured that perhaps iwlib had a command line interface.
[06:47] <tck> gone to deliver the rounds ;)
[06:48] <punkass> ah..i just assumed it was iwconfig etc..
[06:48] <bborkk> I don't know for sure.
[06:48] <chevrofreak> apt-get install freeporn
[06:49] <lobo_nz> Is there an easyway to reconfigure my screen resolution without playing with my XF86Config file?
[06:49] <chevrofreak> yes
[06:49] <Dashiva> should be under Computer - System Config - Screen REsolution in the menu
[06:50] <chevrofreak> ^
[06:50] <lobo_nz> Hmm - it only gives me a 640x480 option
[06:50] <chevrofreak> maybe you need to install a display or raphic driver
[06:50] <Dashiva> might have an unsupported vid card
[06:50] <chevrofreak> graphic
[06:50] <punkass> i am sure this question has been asked a million times, but why did they revert back to firefox 9.3
[06:51] <joem> stability
[06:51] <Pizbit> Eh?
[06:51] <dayson> joem: hey where is this file that I can edit?
[06:51] <Pizbit> PR release runs stable here:)
[06:51] <joem> its a gconf setting
[06:51] <Pizbit> More esecure too.
[06:51] <joem> use gconf-editor
[06:51] <dayson> where is it?
[06:52] <Pizbit> joem: Are they going to go back to 1.0 any time soon?
[06:53] <joem> Pizbit, dunno, probably when the official release is made and if it has no ugly bugs
[06:53] <joem> which I doubt it would
[06:53] <lobo_nz> My Graphics card was detected correctly GeForce4 MX 440, but my monitror is generic, I guess its too old
[06:53] <Pizbit> Ahh, I'll have to keep with my own install of it then.
[06:53] <Dashiva> lobo_nz, that would be it
[06:53] <Skif_> hooray, my cds are ripping properly now
[06:53] <Springah> what version of xfree does the latest stable ubuntu come with?
[06:53] <Dashiva> 4.3
[06:53] <Dashiva> patched
[06:54] <punkass> joem: thanks...just curious
[06:54] <joem> dunno much more about it, don't use firefox
[06:54] <Springah> cool
[06:54] <joem> but i guess lots of users were having issues
[06:55] <dayson> brb
[06:56] <dayson> damnit I still have the naked people there even after all that stuff was changed
[06:56] <dayson> even if its for two seconds its two to many
[06:57] <Skif_> they are not ugly naked people
[06:57] <joem> turn off the splash screen if you can't change it then
[06:57] <Skif_> but I liked the previous look
[06:57] <dayson> I did that but I'm talking about the loading part not the splash screen
[06:57] <chevrofreak> screenshot!
[06:58] <joem> that is the splash screen
[06:59] <bborkk> Here's a can of worms: what's really at stake when choosing between GNOME and KDE?
[06:59] <Skif_> THE FATE OF THE WORLD!!!!
[06:59] <chevrofreak> appearance :P
[07:00] <Skif_> or, at least to hear some people talk, you'd think so
[07:00] <chevrofreak> KDE has more programs too i think
[07:00] <ob> widget sets, applications, the overall cohesiveness of the desktop.
[07:00] <kalin> KDE is ugly
[07:00] <ob> kde can be made very nice.
[07:00] <ob> vis a vis: slax.
[07:00] <Dashiva> it was always a mac vs windows kindof thing for me
[07:00] <Dashiva> kde reminds me too much of windows
[07:00] <ob> i typically prefer kde.  ubuntu makes gnome tolerable.
[07:00] <Pizbit> bborkk: KDE is also a total pain to configure to your tastes.
[07:01] <kalin> KDE is appropriate for people who called htemselves "power users" on windows
[07:01] <kalin> tweakers.
[07:01] <ob> i hate GTK with a passion.
[07:01] <ob> so KDE is a logical choice
[07:01] <kalin> not something that you want to put a regular person in front of
[07:01] <bborkk> ob: Why?
[07:01] <ob> because it's slow and clunky.
[07:01] <Dashiva> and qt isn't
[07:01] <ob> QT3?  no.
[07:01] <tvon> heh, youre on crack
[07:01] <Pizbit> ob: That's all a matter of opinion:)
[07:01] <chevrofreak> fluxbox
[07:02] <ob> it's ironic that GTK for windows redraws faster than on linux.
[07:02] <bborkk> chevrofreak: Word.
[07:02] <ob> i'm not trolling here.  i prefer gnome apps by and large.  i just dislike the state of gtk.
[07:02] <bborkk> Is there anyway to make it faster?
[07:02] <ob> i think it's ludicrous that i should have choppy window resizing on a P4.
[07:03] <chevrofreak> a lot of that has to do with the graphics card i think
[07:03] <kalin> has this channel already discussed the default wallpaper and GDM theme that came out today?
[07:03] <bborkk> What license is QT under these days?
[07:03] <joem> I don't have choppy windowresizing on a p4
[07:03] <kalin> it does seem to vary widely with X support for the chip
[07:03] <joem> kalin, yes, it has been discussed all over the place
[07:04] <ob> bborkk: if i cared about licensing enough to allow it to affect my choice in desktop managers, i'd be using userlinux and kissing perens' ass.
[07:04] <kalin> the new XDamage extension in Xorg is supposed to clean up the 'choppiness'
[07:04] <bborkk> ob: Heh.
[07:04] <jason> how do I get DivX for ubuntu?
[07:04] <joem> read the wiki
[07:04] <kalin> joem: I hope the consensus was to move away from the Benneton look;
[07:05] <chevrofreak> i had tocomment and uncomment some lines in the apt thingy to get it to download some stuff
[07:05] <ob> i almost had a heart attack when i rebooted after the upgrade today.
[07:05] <chevrofreak> maybe you'll need to as well
[07:05] <bborkk> kalin: I call it pastel death.  It's sad, really.
[07:05] <ob> "half naked people on my desktop!"
[07:05] <ob> "and i didn't put them there this time!"
[07:05] <kalin> ob: my girlfriend was like, what's this all about?
[07:05] <jason> does anybody know how to get divx working?
[07:05] <bborkk> Oh, I didn't see this.
[07:05] <ob> my wife still doesn't believe that ubuntu did it automatically.
[07:06] <bborkk> ob: Okay, so how do I get this?
[07:06] <theantix> jason: check the wiki
[07:06] <ob> get what?
[07:06] <chevrofreak> i want to see these halfnaked people
[07:06] <bborkk> I don't have half-naked people on my desktop.
[07:06] <ob> apt-get upgrade and reboot.
[07:06] <ob> or just ctrl+alt+bkspace
[07:06] <bborkk> And how do I get rid of it once I decide it's horrid?
[07:07] <ob> computer -> system something -> desktop background
[07:07] <bborkk> right.
[07:07] <chevrofreak> screenshot! :P
[07:07] <kalin> theantix: nice reivew of ubuntu on k5 btw.
[07:08] <ob> when gecko gets added as a kpart to konqueror, i'll probably go back to kde.
[07:08] <ob> i'll hack at it until it works on ubuntu, though.
[07:08] <jason> I checked the wiki
[07:08] <jason> I cant find anything about divx
[07:09] <theantix> kalin: thanks :-)
[07:09] <joem> jason, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=divx
[07:10] <chevrofreak> i dont believe him about the half naked people :P
[07:10] <bborkk> He just wants me to reboot.
[07:10] <chevrofreak> i upgraded earlier but no reboot yet
[07:10] <chevrofreak> i suppose i could reboot...
[07:11] <ob> i swear.
[07:11] <chevrofreak> lies
[07:11] <bborkk> He's trying to trick us again.
[07:11] <ob> there's like.. a hug orgy with a black dude, a white chick, and a black chick.
[07:11] <chevrofreak> show us a screenshot first
[07:11] <ob> http://img51.exs.cx/img51/4012/screenshot-2.png
[07:12] <ob> or maybe the dude is white.
[07:12] <ob> god that white girl is hot
[07:12] <joem> ob, looks white to me :)
[07:12] <bborkk> Whoa.
[07:12] <ob> hah, fuckers!
[07:12] <ob> who's laughing now!
[07:12] <chevrofreak> indeed
[07:12] <bborkk> What the hell happened?  Who is smoking crack?
[07:12] <tvon> oh, heh, the new artwork?
[07:12] <chevrofreak> i dont want it though
[07:12] <ob> you can change it.
[07:13] <tvon> planet.gnome.org has screenies
[07:13] <chevrofreak> i have a picture of my favorite pistol as my background
[07:13] <ob> i did, immediately after rebooting.
[07:13] <ob> there's a GREAT little gradient logo thing that looks like tanned leather.
[07:13] <ob> it matches the human theme perfectly.
[07:13] <chevrofreak> http://files.chevrofreak.com/pictures/Ruger%20MKII/DSC01432sm.jpg
[07:14] <chevrofreak> :)
[07:14] <tvon> Thats your wallpaper?
[07:14] <chevrofreak> yeah
[07:14] <ob> is that pistol for anything legal?
[07:14] <theantix> by the way, sabdfl explained the thinking behind the theme: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005889.html
[07:14] <chevrofreak> yes
[07:14] <tvon> Is that for shooting, like in tournaments and whatnot?
[07:14] <bborkk> competition?
[07:14] <tvon> looks like one of them there guns
[07:14] <tvon> yes, competitive is the word I was looking for
[07:15] <chevrofreak> yeah its a bullseye and sillouhette (sp?) type gun
[07:15] <bborkk> What caliber?
[07:15] <chevrofreak> .22LR
[07:15] <ob> "My sincere 
[07:15] <ob> apologies if that caught anyone off guards, especially if it came at an 
[07:15] <ob> awkward moment.
[07:15] <ob> "
[07:15] <ob> like my wife walking in.
[07:15] <bborkk> Dude, what is geekdom coming to?
[07:16] <chevrofreak> the way you guys reacted to that one, my others might scare the shit out of you :P
[07:16] <ob> it's weird.
[07:16] <ob> i see all these excellent compact distros coming out that revolve around gnome.
[07:16] <ob> i KNOW it's possible with kde.  someone just needs to do it.
[07:16] <ob> because i'm not smart enough to roll my own
[07:16] <ob> and as a half-assed member of the linux community, i demand action!
[07:16] <bborkk> Eh.  I have friends from Idaho and New Hampshire.
[07:17] <tvon> ob: heh
[07:17] <chevrofreak> http://files.chevrofreak.com/pictures/UltiMAK/DSC01331_sm.jpg
[07:17] <theantix> ob, I hear MEPIS is a good kde-oriented distro, if you like that sort of thing
[07:17] <ob> SKS?
[07:17] <bborkk> ob: Knoppix had KDE as default, right?
[07:17] <ob> knoppix is bloated.
[07:17] <chevrofreak> Norinko MAK-90 AK47
[07:17] <bborkk> Well, yeah.
[07:17] <ob> like seven hundred and ten text editor.
[07:18] <ob> mepis looked neat.
[07:18] <tvon> chevrofreak: haha, you are a peculiar human being
[07:18] <jason> ok how do I install the w32codecs package on the AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[07:18] <chevrofreak> nah
[07:18] <lhb> did a apt-get update just now
[07:18] <lhb> awesome new look
[07:18] <bborkk> Just be sure to use the 'out of my cold dead hands' line with Linux, too.  :)
[07:19] <chevrofreak> hah
[07:19] <theantix> jason: that might not be an easy proposition :-/
[07:19] <chevrofreak> i say that about windows 2000 :P
[07:19] <tvon> dammit, what the hell is wrong with gstreamer?  I can never get video to work
[07:19] <bborkk> Dude...
[07:19] <joem> video doesn't work so hot in gstreamer
[07:19] <jason> why not?
[07:19] <joem> especially if you are using the esd audio sink
[07:20] <tvon> using alsa...I get sound fine in the movie
[07:20] <ob> you know.
[07:20] <ob> i should be a rebel and install kde, and then remove all vestiges of gnome.
[07:20] <bborkk> totem-xine supports more codecs, but at the expense of selling your soul (or something).
[07:20] <ob> i'll give ubuntu a real stress test.
[07:20] <joem> does ubuntu support kde outside of universe yet?
[07:21] <ob> nope.
[07:21] <chevrofreak> it would probably frighten you all to find out i have a concealed weapons permit wouldnt it
[07:21] <joem> I don't think it would count as an ubuntu stress test then 
[07:21] <bborkk> Better than waving it around shouting at people.
[07:21] <tvon> heh, just keep it concealed :)
[07:21] <ob> haha
[07:22] <tvon> joem: I dont think ubuntu is ever going to support KDE outside of universe
[07:22] <aitrus> could we please steer the conversation back on topic.  there aren't any handguns in ubuntu  =)
[07:22] <jg__> daniels: you around?
[07:22] <daniels> jg__: 'sup?
[07:22] <daniels> just walked back in the door -- good timing
[07:22] <chevrofreak> http://files.chevrofreak.com/G17%20pics/
[07:23] <bborkk> aitrus: Okay, but the parallels between the 2nd amendment and what Linux is going through are stunning.
[07:23] <chevrofreak> <3
[07:23] <jg__> keithp figured out that we may be able to give you a toll free number to call (when we're hosting the call).
[07:24] <joem> tvon, no, it will
[07:24] <Randomize> OK, even when I build from source the bloody thing refuses to play aac files.
[07:24] <tvon> joem: oh?
[07:24] <chevrofreak> too bad Media Player Classic isnt made for lunix
[07:24] <ob> mpc is great.
[07:24] <chevrofreak> indeed
[07:25] <theantix> Randomize: it seems to play .ogg files just fine though :-)
[07:25] <Randomize> Theantix:  Come re-encode my entire library and hack my GF's iPod to play the oggs, and that'll interest me. :)
[07:25] <Pizbit> Hrm, the former of those two sounds simple:)
[07:26] <chevrofreak> i dig WMA
[07:26] <Randomize> Incidentally, even the people in #rhythmbox are telling me it shouldn't be necessary to recompile.
[07:26] <daniels> jg__: oh, cool
[07:26] <daniels> jg__: .au toll-free?
[07:26] <theantix> Randomize: can you not re-enc to mp3?  that should play on the ipod and in rhythmbox (with the gstreamer mp3 bit of course)
[07:26] <Randomize> So I'm like totally beflummoxed. :)
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: yup.
[07:27] <daniels> jg__: because I have a .au toll-free number here, but the rates on that are something like 25c/min, instead of 1c/min
[07:27] <Randomize> Theantrix:  I'd sooner scrape my eyeballs out with dead squirrels.
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: worth a try.
[07:27] <daniels> jg__: that would be totally ill :)
[07:27] <Randomize> "Reencode your library so you can move to linux" = not gonna happen for me. :)
[07:27] <Dashiva> Randomize, xmms plays aac
[07:27] <Dashiva> so does zinf...gstreamer...xine...mplayer
[07:27] <theantix> Randomize: hey, you're the one that ripped into an apple format, not me :-)
[07:27] <Randomize> I was trying to stay "true" to ubuntu's defaults, Dash.
[07:27] <Dashiva> bah
[07:27] <Randomize> And gstreamer is playing my aacs just fine.
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: don't talk about ill...  reminds me of why I'm awake at 1:30AM EDT.
[07:28] <Randomize> It's Rhythmbox that doesn't want to play them.
[07:28] <Dashiva> first thing i do is go straight to xmms
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: isn't everyone awake at 1:30am in their timezone?
[07:28] <jg__> daniels: not when you have kids that go to school....
[07:28] <Randomize> Well, there's not much point in my testing ubuntu if I'm just going to ignore what they give me by default and not try to make it work.
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: i have a little sister that goes to school, and I'm often seconded for that duty
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: sleep is for the daytime :)
[07:29] <chevrofreak> omfg
[07:29] <chevrofreak> good god
[07:29] <jg__> daniels: so I'm up uber late for me on (legal) controlled substances.....  Another kidney stone....
[07:29] <Randomize> Oh, and aac isn't "an apple format."
[07:29] <chevrofreak> i wish we had a Sonic here =0
[07:29] <chevrofreak> that burger looks great!
[07:30] <daniels> jg__: oh wow, that's no good :( i thought they were all gone?
[07:30] <jg__> nah, the cat scan last month showed another big one, now on its way out (I hope).
[07:30] <chevrofreak> kidney stones suck
[07:30] <jg__> also alot of tiny ones: they need to try to prevent them from getting big.
[07:31] <jg__> at least I don't think I've got other substantial ones queued up after this one, according to today's scan.
[07:31] <chevrofreak> nothing like taking a painful piss and hearing that "tink" against the back of a urinal though :P
[07:31] <jg__> chevrofreak: they sure do.
[07:32] <daniels> jg__: wow.  good luck with it.
[07:32] <chevrofreak> my family has a lot of kidney stone issues
[07:32] <chevrofreak> i'm only 22 and i've already had 2
[07:32] <jg__> chevrofreak: yeah, the sound of true relief (though they want me to catch them if I can).
[07:32] <jg__> chevrofreak: I'm 50, and this is #4.
[07:33] <chevrofreak> i just hope i never get one thats big enough to REALLY hurt
[07:34] <chevrofreak> my grandpa had to have surgery to remove some
[07:34] <chevrofreak> i think they took 6 out at once
[07:34] <jg__> chevrofreak: this one really hurts; I had to up my pain meds.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> all about the size of a bb
[07:34] <jg__> chevrofreak: that's not good.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> no
[07:34] <jg__> bb size you can pass; much larger, and it is a real problem.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> first time i ever felt the pain of a kidney stone, i didnt know wtf it was
[07:34] <jg__> these days, there is lithotripsy.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> its odd to feel pain inside your body like that
[07:35] <Dashiva> just be glad you live in the 21st century
[07:35] <jg__> Dashiva: damn straight.
[07:35] <chevrofreak> indeed
[07:35] <jg__> Dashiva: drugs *good*
[07:36] <Dashiva> yeah
[07:36] <chevrofreak> i saw on TV once the kind of shit they used to use to get them out
[07:36] <chevrofreak> jesus that looked more painful than the stone itself
[07:36] <Dashiva> manual removal of stones with no anesthesia...bad
[07:36] <chevrofreak> nothing like shoving a miniature boat anchor up your wang
[07:37] <wm_eddie> ahh!
[07:38] <jg__> chevrofreak: good luck with yours: not good you have them in the family, and at such a young age...
[07:38] <joem> http://www.urology-malaysia.org/k_stonef1.JPG
[07:39] <joem> I can't imagine what that is like
[07:39] <chevrofreak> http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/120935.html
[07:39] <chevrofreak> buddy just showed me
[07:40] <jg__> joem: enough allready...
[07:41] <daniels> hm
[07:41] <daniels> maybe we should possibly move the urology discussion, fascinating as it is :)
[07:41] <Randomize> Speaking of things which can ruin your health ... mmmm ... goldfish, candy corn, and bourbon.  :)
[07:41] <theantix> heh
[07:42] <calc> daniels: heh
[07:42] <chevrofreak> hmm
[07:42] <chevrofreak> now i want a beer
[07:42] <Dashiva> in that order?
[07:42] <bborkk> Are we still talking about kidneys?
[07:42] <chevrofreak> only one Newcastle left thogh :/
[07:42] <Dashiva> yeah...if we're still talking about bourbon
[07:42] <bob2> lets get back to complaining about the new theme.
[07:42] <Dashiva> k
[07:42] <Dashiva> i was going to load it on my mother's computer
[07:42] <chevrofreak> ok, my complaint
[07:43] <chevrofreak> not enough nudity!
[07:43] <Randomize> It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that fey looking guy standing between the two cute chicks. ;P
[07:43] <Dashiva> not going to happen now because of that
[07:43] <chevrofreak> hi Ryan :P
[07:43] <daniels> Dashiva: as I understand it, that background is not actually the default
[07:43] <Deathwind> hello roger
[07:43] <bborkk> Do we really need any more GAP in our lives?
[07:43] <Randomize> They aren't wearing beige, so it's not GAP. :P
[07:43] <bob2> wow, I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious
[07:43] <Randomize> Craaazy ..... coooool! :)
[07:44] <Jaramin> hi everyone... does anyone here knows if it's possible to disallow certain characters from being part of a file name in Nautilus?
[07:44] <Deathwind> just making sure you aren't destroying the linux users' sanity :P
[07:44] <bborkk> bob2: Don't tempt fate.  :)
[07:44] <chevrofreak> HA HA!
[07:44] <Randomize> Deathwind:  When did they get upgraded with that?
[07:44] <bob2> Jaramin: why?
[07:44] <Dashiva> bob2, it was...i'm just bored
[07:45] <Deathwind> Randomize, it's a precious rare commodity amongst us, all the more reason to check
[07:46] <chevrofreak> Ryan, i already showed them part of my gun collection
[07:46] <Randomize> Ah.  "rare" = "essentially absent".  I understand. :)
[07:46] <chevrofreak> seemed to frighten them a wee bit :P
[07:46] <gouhado> quick question: is it at all possible to install ubuntu from the iso without burning it to a cd?
[07:46] <bob2> gouhado: you could pxe boot it
[07:46] <gouhado> what is that exactly
[07:46] <bborkk> What's pxe?
[07:46] <Deathwind> I was thinking more along the lines of your manic-depressive bouts with samba and apt, but that too
[07:47] <Jaramin> bob2: well, to make a long story short, I'm making a Nautilus script that needs to process multiple files, which might have spaces in them. The only way I've found was to wrap each file name in quotes in the script, but then, if the filename actually contains a quote, the script will fail...
[07:47] <chevrofreak> HAH
[07:47] <chevrofreak> samba is kicking my ass
[07:48] <chevrofreak> and i cant figure out how the hell i get xvncserver to work
[07:48] <joem> Jaramin, why don't you just get rid of the spaces while inside of the script
[07:49] <gouhado> bob2 id be installing ubuntu from an xp pro box by the way, but im planning on having ubuntu take over everything
[07:49] <joem> thats just me probably, I hate spaces
[07:49] <Deathwind> chevrofreak, look at x0rfbserver (package should be rfb), it's probably more along the lines of what you're expecting
[07:49] <Pizbit> joem: What do you use instead?
[07:49] <Deathwind> instead of creating and exporting a virtual X11 server, it exports the current display over VNC
[07:50] <theantix> Jaramin: can a file legally have quotes in it?
[07:50] <joem> underscores and hyphens 
[07:50] <joem> depending on the name
[07:50] <Jaramin> joem: can't because the spaces are actually the separators of the file names that Nautilus passes to the script :(
[07:50] <Pizbit> People who use .s are insane, makes it unreadable.
[07:50] <chevrofreak> sweet
[07:50] <chevrofreak> brb
[07:51] <joem> new_artist-track_name.ogg or something like that
[07:51] <joem> no need for a bunch of spaces
[07:51] <chevrofreak> damnit
[07:51] <daniels> um, for the script name, just wrap it in ""
[07:52] <daniels> so you call the script as ./foo "bar baz quux" "another file"
[07:52] <chevrofreak> i'll have to install it the hard way :P
[07:52] <daniels> that way, $1 is "bar baz quux", and $2 is "another file" (no quotes)
[07:52] <theantix> Jaramin: nautilus should pass the file seperators as a new line
[07:52] <clee> daniels: you whore. jabber.
[07:53] <Randomize> "[0x821e720]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (00:31:46): ignoring file file:///home/adam/Music/test.m4a with detected type video/quicktime"
[07:53] <Randomize> Gah, sorry.
[07:53] <gouhado> so theres no way for me to install ubuntu over my xp pro installation without burning to a cd?
[07:54] <bborkk> gouhado: You could try a net install.
[07:54] <Jaramin> theantix: you're right, my bad, but can't separate them with grp then, have to use awk, and I need the file names to be in an array accessible from bash... it's getting a little hard for me :P
[07:55] <bborkk> gouhado: You only need a 3.5" diskette for that, I think.
[07:55] <theantix> jaramin: I write my nautilus scripts with python :-)
[07:55] <joem> Jaramin, what is the purpose of the script?
[07:55] <gouhado> bborkk: is there a page that explains the net install process
[07:56] <bborkk> gouhado: Last time I checked, there wasn't such a page, just a place holder for one.
[07:56] <Jaramin> theantix: argh, another language, spare me :P
[07:56] <bborkk> gouhado: However, I think it's just a standard Debian net install.
[07:57] <theantix> Jaramin: in python, you just split the nautilus env variable into a list, and pop the files off until it's empty -- very slick
[07:57] <Jaramin> joem: to get the selected files and sudo move them to the trash bin
[07:58] <bborkk> yeah, python should really be the standard language for shells.
[08:01] <Jaramin> theantix: you make it sound easy, but I'm just starting linux... trying to ease the transition from Windows with scripts
[08:01] <bborkk> Jaramin: Python is a great way to do that.
[08:01] <Pizbit> Python isn't that hard to pickup.
[08:01] <Pizbit> Fairly simple really.
[08:01] <theantix> Jaramin: use whatever language you feel most comfortable in -- I'm just saying I use python
[08:02] <bborkk> Jaramin: That's how I made the transition.
[08:02] <Jaramin> theantix: well, I guess I'll have a look then!
[08:02] <Pizbit> 525MiB for the release candiate eh? Small:)
[08:05] <punkass> bborkk: well i am trying ctypes now..allow one to call C libraries directly from python
[08:06] <bborkk> punkass: Never heard of it... is it a Python module?  What happened to SWIG?
[08:06] <punkass> i was in the python room, and a couple people said to stay away from it as its a headache and creates flaky wrappers
[08:06] <punkass> said to try ctypes or pyrex
[08:07] <clee> mmm. pyrex.
[08:07] <punkass> clee: you used it before?
[08:07] <clee> punkass: no. but another KDE hacker did, and liked it.
[08:08] <joolz> aaaaaah my eyes!!!
[08:08] <bborkk> punkass: Which python room?
[08:08] <punkass> lol
[08:08] <punkass> #python
[08:08] <joolz> jesus, it's like i wake up in the gym
[08:09] <bborkk> joolz: Ubuntu means "Gap" in Swahili.
[08:09] <joolz> hehe
[08:09] <punkass> i am wondering if iwlib gives all the functions we need tho
[08:09] <joolz> Just saw the mail on annouce about Ubuntu 4.10
[08:10] <bborkk> punkass: What doesn't it have you think?
[08:10] <joolz> If I do my daily apt-get update && dist-upgrade, will I be on 4.10 automagically?
[08:10] <bborkk> joolz: As far as I understand it.
[08:10] <punkass> well i am assuming all the calls are listed in iwlib.h
[08:10] <joolz> bborkk: great, thanks!
[08:11] <punkass> and there doesnt seem to be any scan calls
[08:13] <GOwin> how do i turn my ubuntu box into a dialin server? 
[08:14] <bborkk> I thought I saw some scan functionality listed on the webpage you pointed me to.
[08:14] <bborkk> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html
[08:16] <punkass> bborkk: yeah the thing is each item 'iwconfig' 'iwlist'  has its own .c and .h files
[08:16] <punkass> which arent included in the dev package only iwlib.h is
[08:16] <punkass> i also may have no idea what i am doing :)
[08:18] <bborkk> punkass: I'm with you there.
[08:19] <bborkk> punkass: Looks like there is also a #pyrex channel.
[08:19] <punkass> cool, havent tryed pyrex yet
[08:23] <punkass> bborkk: just got mail from a guy who has written a python wrapper for iwtools
[08:23] <bborkk> punkass: A million monkeys on a million typewriters...
[08:23] <punkass> hehe
[08:34] <RuffianSoldier> I think its time i move on from the Ubuntu world.  I think I will explore Gentoo next.  It was a great Distro, goodnight all!
[08:34] <jason> has anybody got cedega to work on ubuntu AMD64?
[08:35] <calc> daniels: is ubuntu hoary going to be using rhgb?
[08:36] <jason> when will we see betas of hoary?
[08:36] <jason> I want x.org
[08:36] <daniels> calc: no
[08:36] <calc> daniels: ok
[08:37] <calc> daniels: something else developed in house?
[08:37] <daniels> calc: yeah, there are pages on usplash on the wiki
[08:38] <jason> Does anybody have cedega?
[08:38] <daniels> basically I think urgb is totally the wrong way to go, because it ignores the fact that gdm is started way too late in the game, and also, X is just way, way too heavy for that sort of thing
[08:38] <daniels> client-side, it's *big*.
[08:39] <daniels> not for a full-fledged window system, but for a bootsplash? it's huge
[08:39] <calc> daniels: cool :)
[08:40] <Mithrandir> jason: you can see the hoary release schedule on the wiki.
[08:40] <deFrysk> does anyone know of probs with .Xauthority after installing k3b and how to solve it ?
[08:40] <daniels> deFrysk: no, but there are problems with .ICEauthority
[08:41] <deFrysk> daniels, could be that was what I had probs with
[08:41] <deFrysk> daniels, is there a workaround ?
[08:41] <daniels> deFrysk: sure -- touch .ICEauthority before you run sudo k3bsetup
[08:42] <daniels> if you have a stray root-owned .ICEauthority hanging around, delete it with sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority
[08:43] <deFrysk> daniels, wonderfull It is the only issue I have with ubuntu 
[08:43] <liran> hey all
[08:44] <liran> I want to know why my ubuntu can`t see the windows partations ?
[08:44] <Randomize> If they are NTFS, libntfs isn't installed by default.
[08:44] <Randomize> But it's in Synaptic.
[08:44] <liran> so what shell i do?
[08:44] <liran> and they are NTFS
[08:45] <Randomize> Go into synaptic, search for libntfs, install it, and mount the partitions.
[08:45] <liran> ok just a sec
[08:46] <liran> done
[08:46] <liran> How i mount them ?
[08:46] <rapha> Fuck. I just overslepped. By two hours.
[08:47] <bborkk> That's okay... I'm undersleeping as we speak.
[08:47] <nuge> good thing you checked up with irc before getting dressed
[08:47] <rapha> Don't do it, I did it yesterday and it's the reason I overslepped now.
[08:47] <bborkk> heh.  i like to think of everyone on irc as naked. heh.
[08:47] <nuge> bborkk, eek 
[08:48] <liran> mates i installed a libntfs and i want to see my windows partations how i do that?
[08:48] <rapha> nuge: Hey man! I already called at work telling them I overslepped; can at least check my Ubuntu upgrade then :)
[08:48] <nuge> :)
[08:48] <bborkk> back to the naked people, i see.
[08:48] <rapha> Anyhow, they're downloaded so I can go offline
[08:48] <liran> mates ?? :(
[08:49] <rapha> See you guys after noon, or whenever
[08:49] <liran> bye
[08:49] <rapha> Bye
[08:49] <liran> any one can please help me with this?
[08:51] <daniels> Skif_: yo!
[08:51] <liran> please help me!!!!!!!!!!
[08:52] <bborkk> liran: Can't help you, friend.
[08:52] <liran> ok :|
[08:52] <ubergoober> I just gave it a shot and I had problems using existing ext3 partitions. It said "strange ext2 layout" then all I could do was skip that partition.
[08:53] <Ezahn> hi all
[08:53] <joem> liran, did you try mounting the drive?
[08:53] <jason> how can I install i386 packages on an AMD64 install?
[08:53] <joem> making sure the ntfs module is loaded first
[08:53] <ubergoober> This is in partition verification. SWAP an FAT32 work ok.
[08:53] <Ezahn> I installed Ubuntu tonight
[08:53] <Ezahn> I like it and its philosophy VERY much
[08:53] <bborkk> You are now one of the pod people.
[08:54] <Ezahn> ;-)
[08:54] <Ezahn> jao
[08:54] <jason> how can I install i386 packages on an AMD64 install?
[08:54] <bborkk> Okay.
[08:54] <Mithrandir> jason: you can't do it.
[08:54] <jason> ??
[08:54] <jason> meh
[08:54] <Ezahn> But I have one BIG problem now
[08:54] <joem> jason, of somebody knows they will help
[08:54] <Ezahn> My Ethernet card (on a laptop) won't work
[08:54] <Treenaks> Ezahn: what kind of ethernet card?
[08:54] <joem> no need to ask the same q every 20 seconds
[08:55] <Ezahn> and the gnome network configuration hangs when trying to activate it
[08:55] <Mithrandir> jason: why do you want to do that?
[08:55] <jason> I want to install Cedega
[08:55] <Ezahn> Treenaks: I think it's an Intel one
[08:55] <fabbione>  *art-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted?                       [fail] 
[08:55] <fabbione> ops
[08:55] <Treenaks> Ezahn: have you looked at dmesg output?
[08:55] <jason> then I can ditch windows all together
[08:55] <joem> but you either need to find a package compiled for x86_64 or compile it locally
[08:55] <jason> well it isnt opensource
[08:55] <jason> ;)
[08:55] <Ezahn> ...mmmhhhh... I'm not sure I know wht dmesgis, sorry. I'm really new to linux.
[08:56] <Ezahn> dmesg, sorry again
[08:56] <Ezahn> mispell
[08:56] <Treenaks> Ezahn: ok.. you have to open a terminal window
[08:56] <jason> isnt the amd64 system multi-lib?
[08:56] <Treenaks> Ezahn: then type 'dmesg'
[08:56] <Ezahn> in the installation process it said that dhcp config was ok
[08:56] <Mithrandir> jason: it's multilib, but not multiarch.
[08:56] <bborkk> Ezahn: How do you know it isn't working?
[08:56] <Ezahn> I'm not on my box now, but tell me and I'll try
[08:57] <Mithrandir> jason: you might be able to download a .tar.gz off transgaming and having a go with ia32-libs installed.
[08:57] <Ezahn> bbork: well, I have a cable connection, fiber optic, and I'm not on the internet
[08:57] <punkass> Ezahn: you could try Computer > System Config > Networking  and try adding a device
[08:57] <Ezahn> besides, the Network configuration says the card is not activated
[08:57] <jason> so a binary in a tar.gz?
[08:57] <bborkk> Ezahn: What network configuration?
[08:58] <Ezahn> the gnome config application
[08:58] <punkass> Ezahn: ah..and what happens when u try to activate it?
[08:58] <Ezahn> Network tools or something
[08:58] <bborkk> right.
[08:58] <iainm> is there an official-ish canonical statement on the new artwork furore that's sprung up on the list?
[08:59] <Mithrandir> jason: yeah, that might work.  I don't have access to any transgaming stuff (and I don't feel comfortable around it -- non-free and everything), so it might not work.
[08:59] <Ezahn> well, if I try to activate it... the check box says it's activated for a couple of seconds, then switch back to deactivated status
[08:59] <Mithrandir> iainm: there's a reply from Mark in the thread.
[08:59] <jason> k
[08:59] <bborkk> iainm: Gap meets Linux.
[08:59] <Ezahn> and after a couple of tries... the gnome application hangs
[08:59] <jason> whats with the new GDM splash? my mom almost shit a brick when she seen half-naked people on the screen ;)
[09:00] <bborkk> Aren't they really naked half-people?
[09:00] <AndyFitz> bborkk is correct
[09:00] <joem> jason, read the list etc..its been gone over plenty in here
[09:00] <punkass> Ezahn: open a terminal any type: sudo ifup eth0
[09:01] <iainm> Mithrandir, aha. I missed that one when I was trawling the archives.
[09:01] <punkass> so u can see what the problem is
[09:01] <bborkk> Ezahn: This might be difficult if you aren't in front of your machine.
[09:01] <Ezahn> i know, that's a problem
[09:01] <jason> whats a good graphical bit torrent client?
[09:01] <Ezahn> but if was on my machine i couldn't connect to irc.... ;-)
[09:02] <punkass> jason: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[09:03] <bborkk> Ezahn: Right.  In that case, I recommend you read up on the following commands: ifup, ifdown, ifconfig, dmesg, modprobe, lsmod, lspci.
[09:03] <AndyFitz> if you want a nice one for gnome 
[09:03] <AndyFitz> gnome-btdownload
[09:03] <jason> punkass: ty
[09:03] <bborkk> Ezahn: You don't need to know everything about all of them... just a little of each will help a lot.
[09:03] <AndyFitz> is the 'nicest looking gui one'
[09:03] <punkass> jason: azureus requires java
[09:03] <Ezahn> ok, i'll google and read docs
[09:03] <jason> thanks andy
[09:04] <bborkk> Ezahn: Try the man pages... open a terminal window and type in "man foo", where foo is the command.  Don't include the quotation marks.
[09:05] <Ezahn> ok, sure
[09:05] <bborkk> Ezahn: That will tell you about the command in question and all the options.
[09:05] <Ezahn> ok
[09:05] <bborkk> Good luck.
[09:06] <Ezahn> You're really helpful
[09:06] <Ezahn> and very kind
[09:06] <Ezahn> Tnx!
[09:06] <Ezahn> I must say... very Ubuntu! ;-)
[09:07] <Ezahn> Thanks again
[09:07] <punkass> bborkk: some props for ya: <Ezahn> You're really helpful
 and very kind
 Tnx!
 I must say... very Ubuntu! ;-)
[09:08] <bborkk> heh.  :)
[09:09] <Ezahn> Bless! I hope I will return on #ubuntu from my ubuntu box soon and report a success
[09:10] <Ezahn> Bless bless
[09:11] <punkass> whoa how did i join and quit
[09:11] <bborkk> glitch in the matrix.  duck.
[09:11] <punkass> doh!
[09:12] <punkass> its my work machine :)
[09:12] <bborkk> or that.
[09:12] <topyli> punkass: it's been rooted :)
[09:12] <punkass> extra big DOH!
[09:12] <bborkk> eh, it's only your work machine.
[09:12] <punkass> true enough
[09:12] <punkass> and its windows...
[09:13] <topyli> punkass: that's not where you have all your music and pr0n anyway, not valuable
[09:13] <bborkk> the janitor is probably sitting on the keyboard.
[09:13] <punkass> hahaha
[09:23] <bborkk> punkass: Good luck with the wrapper.  I'm off.
[09:23] <bborkk> Keep on keepin' on.
[09:23] <punkass> bborkk: thanks :) later man ..taker eays
[09:23] <punkass> er easy*
[09:25] <Randomize> Guys, newbie question.  I've downloaded the CVS source for something i need to try, and the install directions say to "run" autogen.sh ... what do I "run" it with?  I mean, it's a script, doesn't it have to be called by something?
[09:26] <punkass> ./autogen.sh
[09:26] <punkass> or sh autogen.sh
[09:26] <Randomize> ROFL, thanks.
[09:26] <punkass> :)
[09:26] <Randomize> I've decided I haven't quite broken this installation well enough, so I'm going to try harder. :)
[09:27] <punkass> well its so easy to reinstall...why not.
[09:27] <liran> wee i got it! i can now see the windows partations !
[09:27] <punkass> you learn through breakage
[09:27] <liran> good guide about it
[09:27] <liran> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[09:28] <Randomize> I thought it was through the consumption of brains, my bad.
[09:28] <punkass> well either or
[09:29] <Randomize> Linux:  It's All About Choices! (Brought to you by the Federation For Brain Eating And/Or Breaking Things [FFBEAOBT] )
[09:29] <punkass> hehe
[09:29] <Randomize> No, silly computer, you DO have glib installed.
[09:30] <crimsun> ``dpkg -l libglib2\*dev|grep ^ii'' ?
[09:30] <daniels> have you got the development packages installed?  you'll need them if you're trying to compile stuff
[09:30] <daniels> probably libglib2.0-dev
[09:30] <Randomize> Yah, libglib2.0-dev, -doc, etc are installed.
[09:31] <|trey|> Most new Artwork is complete for RC... icons aren't right still though, thats bad right? or aren't they done yet?
[09:32] <topyli> |trey|: the icons are there, but they don't get selected with the rest of the theme automatically for some reason
[09:33] <Randomize> Mmmm, "requires GLib 2.2 to compile" .... wonder if that's an oversimplification or if they really want specificaly 2.2
[09:33] <daniels> probably >= 2.2, and Ubuntu has 2.4
[09:33] <|trey|> topyli: Computer > Desktop Preferences > Theme > Theme Details > Icons > "Human"
[09:34] <Randomize> Yah, but apparently this script ain't seeing it.  Is there a standard way to "Force" an autogen script to look at a specific location for it?
[09:34] <topyli> |trey|: yes. i just wonder why they have to be selected by hand
[09:35] <|trey|> topyli: maybe because they aren't done  :/
[09:35] <punkass> i have to say, personally, i dont really like the Human icons
[09:36] <punkass> they dont seem to fit with the rest of the OS
[09:36] <AndyFitz> punkass: http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png   - how about those ones ?
[09:37] <punkass> better, i am using some they someone posted in the forum called Suede
[09:37] <punkass> they = that
[09:37] <Randomize> So, no way to force this ./autogen.sh to see my glib?
[09:38] <Treenaks> Randomize: install the -dev version of it
[09:38] <Randomize> It is.
[09:39] <liran> have you saw the new splash in ubuntu ?
[09:39] <liran> lol funny
[09:39] <|trey|> yes
[09:40] <|trey|> blonde is cute  8)
[09:40] <liran> 2 hot babes and one gay
[09:40] <liran> yeah
[09:40] <theantix> AndyFitz: it's so strange seeing the applications menu at the bottom!  :-)
[09:40] <smeggy> Is it genuine?
[09:42] <crimsun> i think it's a nice splash
[09:42] <crimsun> :-)
[09:42] <crimsun> i even dropped the gdm from sid and pinned to warty to use it :-)
[09:42] <AndyFitz> theantix: my girlfriend uses the computer quite often and we've resolved to the fact that having it at the top freaks her out.
[09:42] <punkass> wonder where they got the people from
[09:44] <AndyFitz> models from a photo shoot in south africa
[09:44] <punkass> cool
[09:50] <Pizbit> Randomize: Exterminate *what* though?
[09:51] <Randomize> Possibly a doctor of some sort.
[09:51] <Pizbit> Why?
[09:52] <smeggy> lo
[09:52] <smeggy> lol
[09:52] <smeggy> somebody doesn't get it Randomize ;)
[09:52] <Randomize> Clobs?
[09:52] <Pizbit> Clobs?
[09:52] <Randomize> Mmmm, new batteries for the keyboard, I think.
[09:52] <liran> i need good and free web hosting with ftp access and it won`t delete my account after one month 
[09:52] <liran> any one can reccomand me on something ?
[09:52] <Randomize> That would be "clobber" in battery-not-dying-ese.
[09:54] <Randomize> OK, running ./autogen.sh AND ./configure would be redundant, right?  Just ./autogen, make, make install, yadda yadda?
[09:55] <calc> Randomize: autogen by itself will probably set the prefix to /usr/local
[09:55] <calc> so if that is what you want that may be ok
[09:57] <mrjive> hi
[09:57] <Randomize> Mmm.  OK.  Rand this ./autogen.sh, it told me to move on to make at the tail end of it's output to console, which doesn't jive with their install instructions provided with the source.  Thanks.
[10:00] <MiiX> Hi. new install P4 Prescott 3.0 on 865PE and I'm getting heaps of messages "Irq 185 Nobody cared! Disabling irq 185
[10:02] <joem> you should be able to do ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[10:03] <MiiX> also APIC error on CPU0 60 (60)
[10:03] <Pizbit> Anyone know a program to re-encode mp3s at a lower bitrate?
[10:04] <calc> that would be a trivial shell script
[10:05] <Treenaks> MiiX: IRQ 185? nice :)
[10:05] <Treenaks> MiiX: anyway.. you could try booting with the 'noapic' or 'nolapic' kernel options
[10:06] <MiiX> Treenaks, how do I do that?
[10:09] <joem> Pizbit, why re-encode at a lower bitrate?
[10:10] <Treenaks> MiiX: reboot, and when you see the countdown ("Press ESCAPE"), press escape on your keyboard
[10:10] <Pizbit> joem: For the mp3 player;)
[10:10] <Treenaks> MiiX: you'll then see a boot menu, press 'e' to edit the kernel command line
[10:10] <liran> Does any one knows an webhosting for free that allows shell access or telnet access ?
[10:10] <joem> it doesn't play mp3s at high bitrates?
[10:10] <Pizbit> Seems this script wants to work now, I think I might have to edit it though, I dislike it's mass renaming.
[10:10] <Pizbit> joem: Lower bitrate = More songs
[10:11] <Randomize> He's probably trying to transcode to get more files onto a portable.
[10:11] <Treenaks> MiiX: then go to the line saying "root=/dev/somewhere ro" etc., press "e" again
[10:11] <Treenaks> MiiX: then add "noapic nolapic" to the end of the line
[10:11] <MiiX> Treenaks, and I add in noapic there?
[10:11] <Treenaks> MiiX: press Enter, then "b", and it might work better
[10:11] <MiiX> k. thanks Treenaks
[10:11] <Treenaks> MiiX: if it does work better, you can make it default by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:11] <Treenaks> (look for the # kopt= line)
[10:12] <MiiX> ok.
[10:13] <liran> Does any one knows an webhosting for free that allows shell access or telnet access ?
[10:14] <daniels> for free?
[10:15] <liran> yes :)
[10:16] <daniels> unlikely
[10:18] <Randomize> Is there some super-secret hotkey that makes gnome autotile it's windows?  I'm not seeing anything in the menus.
[10:18] <Randomize> Well, not auto-tile.
[10:18] <Randomize> Tile.
[10:21] <liran> how i make a dir to file.tar.gz ?
[10:21] <liran> tar -cfs bla.tar.gz dirname ?
[10:22] <Noodles> I normally do tar -zcvf bla.tar.gz dirname
[10:22] <Treenaks> liran: tar cfvz bla.tar.gz directory/
[10:23] <liran> thanks
[10:23] <liran> and another thing,I want to config my bootloader
[10:23] <Treenaks> replace the "z" by "j" to make a tar.bz2
[10:23] <Noodles> -z to compress, -c to create, -v for verbose (list the filenames as they're added), -f to specify the tar filename.
[10:23] <liran> where its locate ?
[10:23] <Treenaks> liran: /boot/grub/menu.lst~
[10:23] <Treenaks> liran: without the ~
[10:23] <liran> thanks again mate :)
[10:23] <Treenaks> liran: be sure to read the comments :)
[10:24] <liran> ## hiddenmenu
[10:24] <liran> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[10:24] <liran> hiddenmenu
[10:24] <liran> can i add # to hiddenmenu ?
[10:24] <liran> I want menu :)
[10:24] <Treenaks> yes
[10:25] <Treenaks> liran: but you should leave lines like # kopt= commented out
[10:25] <Randomize> Hoo, boy ... all that effort to rebuild gstreamer from cvs and now it doesn't recognize the alsasink element.  :)
[10:25] <Randomize> oooops.
[10:25] <Treenaks> liran: that's handled by update-grub
[10:25] <liran> ok
[10:25] <liran> i won`t touch it
[10:26] <liran> need to test it
[10:26] <liran> bbl
[10:30] <liran> wee worked
[10:45] <Randomize> Where (if anywhere) does one set an environment variable stating the location of automake?
[10:45] <liran> Randomize remind me again about making tar.gz ?
[10:46] <Randomize> I wasn't the one who was helping you with making an archive, liran, sorry. :/
[10:46] <liran> oh
[10:50] <joem> liran, if you don't want to bother with remembering the tar commands, you can just right click and create archive
[10:51] <joem> in nautilus
[10:52] <joem> Randomize, $PATH ?
[10:52] <liran> joem heh thanks
[10:52] <Randomize> "$PATH=/usr/lib" or someting?  In?  .bashrc?  /etc/profiles?
[10:53] <Randomize> I'm not conversant in this stuff.
[10:54] <joem> eek, don't do that..export PATH=$PATH:/location/ofautomake
[10:55] <joem> howcome automake isn't in /usr/bin?
[10:55] <Randomize> Sorry, you were just assuming I had a higher level of understanding than I actually did.
[10:55] <Randomize> It is in /usr/bin, but this ./autogen.sh isn't finding it.
[10:55] <joem> heh, just wanted to make sure you didn't mess up the path var
[10:55] <joem> hmm
[10:56] <joem> that is odd, is the location of it hardcoded in the script or something?
[10:56] <Randomize> joem:  Checking.
[10:56] <joem> hardcoded paths make baby jesus cry :(
[10:57] <Randomize> Just did a quick scan of autogen.sh for all references to "automake" and none of them appear to be hard paths.  They're just if/then checks for versions.
[10:59] <Randomize> And even if I do an export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin (which shouldn't be necessary, right?) autogen still bombs.
[10:59] <joem> /usr/bin should already be in path, but yea it sounds like a problem with the script
[11:00] <liran> how i do copy+paste over putty client ?
[11:00] <joem> highlight and right click
[11:01] <joem> putty that windows ssh app right?
[11:01] <Randomize> Yah, if I manually do "automake-1.8 --version" at the console I get a valid response.
[11:01] <liran> no linux
[11:01] <liran> i did apt-get install putty
[11:01] <joem> there are plenty of better terms in linux then putty :)
[11:01] <liran> name it ?
[11:01] <Pizbit> ssh :)
[11:02] <joem> yea, you can just use the default gnome-terminal installed
[11:02] <liran> Im want telnet interface,telnet command isn`t good
[11:02] <Pizbit> ssh in gnome-terminal, it's all you need.
[11:02] <joem> what still uses telnet?
[11:02] <liran> a web host
[11:02] <Pizbit> joem: Muds and talkers do, but those hardly need something secure.
[11:02] <liran> freeshell.org
[11:03] <joem> liran, get a better host :)
[11:03] <liran> yeah where lol
[11:03] <joem> plenty of places to get them, but you need a valid reason
[11:03] <joem> usually "I want webspace" doesn't fly
[11:04] <Randomize> joem:  Would you be willing to look at about 10 lines of this script in a msg?  I don't really know how to determine what could be wrong with it.
[11:04] <joem> Randomize, sure
[11:04] <liran> I want with ssh or telnet access
[11:06] <Kamion> joem: actually I think the PuTTY terminal's much better than gnome-terminal
[11:06] <Kamion> joem: of course, as the Debian putty maintainer I'm a little biased
[11:07] <joem> :)
[11:07] <joem> is putty on linux still gtk-1.x
[11:07] <joem> or is there a gtk2 version
[11:07] <Kamion> for the moment, just gtk1; hoping to fix that soon
[11:07] <joem> I use windows putty at school, its not bad
[11:07] <joem> really I just don't have a use for the features it offers
[11:07] <Kamion> it's got a fair amount of gtk2 compatibility in the source, but it isn't complete
[11:07] <Kamion> oh, I mostly just use pterm
[11:09] <joem> I just like tabbed terms
[11:10] <Kamion> ah, I never have
[11:10] <joem> though I often end up using other terms since gnome-term doesn't get along well with some apps in screen
[11:10] <liran> how i check my gtk version ?
[11:13] <daniels> mmm, I used to love tabbed terms
[11:13] <daniels> then I discovered xterm.  go figure.
[11:14] <Noodles> I want tabbed terms, but not the weight associated with gnome-term.
[11:17] <g0tcha> hi
[11:17] <daniels> konsole is pretty heavy, but not quite as heavy as g-t
[11:17] <daniels> it doesn't even come close to pegging the cpu, though
[11:17] <daniels> i'm really happy with xterm after being a die-hard konsole user for ages, though
[11:18] <Kamion> pterm's most serious problem is that, while it's normally fast and light on CPU, it occasionally gets confused and starts munching CPU in a busy-loop
[11:18] <g0tcha> yesterday someone told me to try /dev/hd0,2 chainloader +1 for dualbooting xp and ubuntu, this doesnt work !!!!
[11:18] <Kamion> I need to beat up Simon until he fixes it :)
[11:18] <g0tcha> can any1 help me with the dual boot problem ?
[11:18] <Treenaks> g0tcha: it's /dev/hda3 or (hd0,2)
[11:18] <Treenaks> g0tcha: not a mix :)
[11:19] <joem> yea vte is pretty harsh
[11:20] <joem> I don't think it is actively maintained, or has been for a while
[11:20] <daniels> Kamion: that's what g-t does whenever someone tries to paint a character
[11:21] <g0tcha> treenaks: /dev/hda3 would write it to where if i have XP on the first partition and ubuntu on the second partition ?
[11:21] <Treenaks> g0tcha: you can check it with sudo fdisk -l
[11:21] <Treenaks> g0tcha: it'll tell you which one is not "linux" or "linux swap"
[11:21] <Treenaks> g0tcha: that one is your XP disk
[11:21] <Kamion> daniels: hooray
[11:22] <Treenaks> hoary?
[11:22] <Kamion> daniels: pterm does it more often when maximised I think, but I'm not sure if that's just a placebo effect
[11:22] <daniels> man
[11:22] <Kamion> (um, wrong term, but you know what I mean)
[11:22] <daniels> you know you've had too much Ubuntu when you see 'hoary' every time someone says 'hooray'
[11:22] <daniels> Kamion: heh, on 1024x768, all my terms are maximised, usually, so that'd be a bit of a placebo here
[11:23] <Treenaks> daniels: yeah, same with 'hairy' bugs :P
[11:23] <Kamion> daniels: ditto
[11:23] <Kamion> hey, they're maximised on 1280x854
[11:24] <daniels> Kamion: i tile ~4 to a screen at 1600
[11:24] <Treenaks> |trey|: like, say, using gnome-term and aptitude? :P
[11:25] <|trey|> Treenaks: no.. I'm talking about the GTK interface for DebConf.
[11:25] <|trey|> Treenaks: not Ncurses... Ncurses looks bad with Synaptic.
[11:26] <mvo> |trey|: you know that you can click "Package/Configure" if it has debconf information?
[11:26] <|trey|> mvo: yes.
[11:26] <|trey|> mvo: do that to debconf, set it to use GNOME and see what I mean  :/
[11:27] <Kamion> we'll probably be using debconf's GNOME frontend come graphical-installer land
[11:28] <Kamion> at least for the second stage install
[11:28] <mvo> |trey|: you mean the interface of gnome-debconf is not nice?
[11:30] <|trey|> mvo: I mean it should be integrated fully into synaptic...
[11:31] <|trey|> ...and be default, but apparently that will happen with Hoary.
[11:31] <|trey|> Looks like 2 apps  :/
[11:31] <mvo> |trey|: agreed
[11:32] <lobo_nz> Just installed mod_perl onto my ubuntu, had trouble with apache not finding libapreq.so (Apache::Request is installed) anyone know the correct way to tell apache where to find it
[11:33] <Treenaks> lobo_nz: how did you install it?
[11:33] <lobo_nz> using dselect
[11:33] <Treenaks> lobo_nz: I hope you used a package?
[11:33] <Treenaks> ah ok
[11:33] <Treenaks> apache2 or apache1?
[11:33] <lobo_nz> 1
[11:34] <lobo_nz> I googled and found a solution but dont like it
[11:34] <Treenaks> have you looked at the debian bug reports page for it?
[11:34] <lobo_nz> no, I have a debian system aswell and diddn't have the problem
[11:35] <lobo_nz> I will check there
[11:40] <Randomize> OK ... off to ... reinstall ... ummm ... six?
[11:40] <Randomize> Thanks again, joem.  Be back in 30ish.
[11:49] <Deft> hey, does anyone have any daily images they'd advise to get/not get?
[11:50] <Deft> or should I just get the one linked from the main page?
[11:50] <Kamion> Deft: there's been one daily build since the release candidate, with essentially no changes
[11:50] <Deft> ok, thanks; I've finally broken my debian install, so it's time for ubuntu on my main PC
[11:53] <Deft> have there been any major changes in the last couple of weeks?
[11:56] <Kamion> Deft: quite a few, see the warty-changes list archives on lists.ubuntu.com for details
[11:56] <mg> good morning. does anyone know if the warty rc auto detects nvidia video adapters? i would like to recommend ubuntu to a friend so this would be really helpful.
[11:58] <Pizbit> Uhm, by video adapters do you mean graphics cards?
[11:58] <Deft> Kamion, Great, thanks for getting gamin in
[11:58] <vrln> as far as I know, it should work with all non-gf6800 cards
[11:58] <vrln> they aren't supported by the nv driver yet
[11:58] <mg> Pizbit: yes, of course.
[11:59] <mg> vrln: i meant the (non free) "nvidia" driver. sorry, i should have been more explicit.
[11:59] <mrjive> mg: i installed ubuntu on a ssystem with nvidia card
[11:59] <mrjive> it worked right (i386)
[12:00] <vrln> mg: the driver isn't installed out of the box, you have to install it yourself
[12:00] <Kamion> Deft: wasn't me :)
[12:00] <vrln> it works fine though
[12:00] <mg> vrln: ok, no problem. it's easy enough to set it up after anyway.
[12:01] <mg> thanks for the help.
[12:03] <mg> by the way, ubuntu is a pleasure to use. i installed it a couple of weeks ago and i've found myself using it more and more each day.
[12:03] <mg> congratulations to all the developers, you've done a wonderful job.
[12:12] <sepheebear> I second that notion, Ubuntu is awesome!!!!
[12:13] <sepheebear> Debian is like a well-pressed suit. Ubuntu is a tux.
[12:13] <Randomize> It's a trap.  Don't let your guard down. :)
[12:14] <tom_cat> hi all
[12:14] <sepheebear> Hey man dont get scared of a little compliment
[12:14] <tom_cat> I think we should put k3b to "warty/main Release"
[12:15] <sepheebear> for real I havent had anything go wrong that wasnt user error
[12:15] <tom_cat> please do not put k3b in  warty/universe Release
[12:16] <Treenaks> tom_cat: why? there's the nautilus CD builder..
[12:16] <chevrofreak> i like K3B
[12:16] <sepheebear> what's k3b?
[12:16] <chevrofreak> CD burning program
[12:16] <tom_cat> K3B likes Nero 
[12:17] <aj> sepheebear: but given Ubuntu doesn't include all of Debian; maybe it's best to say Ubuntu's a designer pair of pants
[12:17] <aj> sepheebear: (cf the recent desktop background  controversy re: going topless ;)
[12:17] <tom_cat> Treenaks: Nautilus_CD-Burner still has not much features like K3B
[12:17] <sepheebear> ahh its a KDE prog, i kinda shy away from kde. qt and sephee dont mix well
[12:18] <defendguin> anyine know how many email i have to mark as junk before spam assasin becomes effective?
[12:18] <Randomize> Is /etc/mtab persistent?  (Will changes entered into it as a result of doing a console-level "mount" be present after a reboot?)
[12:18] <defendguin> anyone
[12:18] <Pizbit> Randomize: Nah, you edit /etc/fstab
[12:18] <Treenaks> defendguin: a bit.
[12:18] <sepheebear> hey aj ubuntu's just got some spunk that's all
[12:18] <Randomize> Pizbit:  Thank you.
[12:19] <WW_> Anyone know how to create an ISO file from a CD?  I want to dup some CDs to have backups.
[12:19] <defendguin> i keep getting the same stupid emails
[12:19] <sepheebear> i was shocked earlier but the nudie people have kinda grown on me
[12:19] <Kamion> defendguin: requires 200 learned ham and 200 learned spam before the bayesian detector kicks in, as far as I remember
[12:20] <sepheebear> mkisofs -R -o Image.iso
[12:20] <sepheebear> something like that
[12:20] <defendguin> Kamion, wow
[12:20] <MacPlusG3> defendguin: it depends... it takes some time to really learn stuff. if it just learnt from one message... well.. wouldn't be very reliable :)
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> defendguin: good idea is to also train it on ham mail (i think evo does this automatically)
[12:21] <defendguin> well i have lest say 50 spam
[12:21] <Randomize> sepheebear: The bald man in the loginsplash watches you when you sleep.  Sweet dreams.  :)
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> defendguin: it's not that many :)
[12:21] <chevrofreak> samba hates me
[12:21] <sepheebear> true dont remind me of that dude
[12:22] <Randomize> You don't need to be reminded, for he will always be there .... watching ... waiting.
[12:22] <dkg> hi!
[12:22] <dkg> ubuntu running.
[12:22] <dkg> nice thing!
[12:22] <dkg> neat girls :)
[12:22] <Kamion> defendguin: I get about that in a morning ;)
[12:22] <WW_> sepheebear: Thanks.  I'm looking at the manpage for mkisofs now... but will that take an image off of an existing CD?  If not, how can I do that?
[12:22] <dkg> is there a root-password?
[12:22] <Kamion> (and that's just what gets through ... my spam filters increasingly suck)
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> WW_: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso
[12:23] <dkg> I cant remember to have set one in installation.
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> dkg: no
[12:23] <Kamion> dkg: no, disabled, first screen after reboot should've explained that
[12:23] <tom_cat> Oh, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-k7 panics , LVM could not define my root partition :-(  But not kernel-2.6.8.1-3-386 
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> dkg: root is disabled, use sudo
[12:23] <dkg> thats strange!
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> dkg: it's *sane* :)
[12:23] <dkg> password?
[12:23] <WW_> MacPlusG3: Thanks.
[12:23] <Kamion> dkg: your own
[12:24] <dkg> i didnt set one.
[12:24] <sepheebear> Pizbit: ooh "Smut-Linux" would be awesome!
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> dkg: it's your account password
[12:24] <dkg> oh
[12:24] <dkg> wow :)
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> dkg: i.e. users with admin rights enter their own passwords (not a shared one)
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> dkg: MacOSX also does it this way.
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> dkg: real usability plus :)
[12:25] <MacPlusG3> WW_: np - i think you can also do it from nautilus.... (i know you can right-click the .iso and burn them at least)
[12:26] <WW_> MacPlusG3: I've burned a CD with Nautilus, but I didn't find a way to read the image from the cd.
[12:26] <Treenaks> WW_: it's not in there afaik
[12:26] <Randomize> Asked this earlier, may have missed the answer, where (if anywhere) is a "tile windows" option buried in the interface for gnome?
[12:28] <WW_> dkg: FYI: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:28] <MacPlusG3> Randomize: don't think there is one. never used it myself (found it kind of useless)
[12:29] <Treenaks> Randomize: no
[12:29] <dkg> thanks!
[12:29] <Randomize> OK.  I'd find it semi-useless too, if not for all my IRC windows on monitor 2 constantly needing adjustment. :)
[12:30] <sepheebear> is tiling windows anything like expocity?
[12:30] <Randomize> I'd have to know what expocity is to be able to frame a response to that question. :)
[12:30] <Randomize> But I'm what is kindly referred to as "blissfully ignorant." :)
[12:31] <sepheebear> its the metacity hack that mimics Expose in OS X
[12:31] <Randomize> Ah.
[12:36] <hartbrkr> how do I disable the startup and login sounds in gnome? when i went to the Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sound menu, it only lets me pick a new sound, not disable the current one .. anyone know?
[12:38] <seb128> you can turn off the sound events
[12:38] <hartbrkr> seb128: i don't want to disable all sound events though, is that possible?
[12:38] <seb128> no
[12:39] <seb128> there is already a bug report open for this
[12:39] <hartbrkr> shitty
[12:39] <hartbrkr> oh ok
[12:39] <Randomize> "Shitty" is perhaps a little out of scale with the subject material. :)
[12:39] <seb128> but the corresponding bug report is open for years on the upstream side ...
[12:42] <|trey|> sepheebear: Expocity is pretty different, Cascade is somewhat close, but not exactly the same... tries to make everything fit... Tile layers them
[12:43] <Randomize> I shouldn't be breaking off tabs in X-Chat and trying to tile them anyhow ... too much UI eating up space.
[12:43] <Randomize> So forget I asked. :)
[12:43] <sepheebear> trey: intersting
[12:43] <|trey|> Randomize: Not much being covered... task bars can't be...
[12:44] <Randomize> Mmm?
[12:44] <Randomize> I'm sort of tired, not sure what you mean?
[12:44] <|trey|> Just saying too much UI eating up space is an invalid point...
[12:45] <|trey|> If everything fits... and is covering nothing, why does it matter?
[12:45] <Randomize> Ummm, no, my point was, if I break off tabs with X-Chat and tile them, since each of them have menus, etc, a lot of my screen space gets wasted on those redundant UI elements instead of the chat window. :)
[12:45] <Randomize> As in, my problem, not the program's problem.
[12:45] <|trey|> Randomize: thats why god gave us virtual desktops anyways...
[12:46] <Randomize> Perhaps.  But what I generally aim for is having all of the relevant windows in plain view without having to scroll for 'em, etc.  Again, my problem, not the program's.
[12:46] <|trey|> Randomize: most apps you can seperate and close the menu... is an app problem..
[12:47] <hartbrkr> can i install Wine with apt-get ?
[12:47] <Pizbit> Randomize: Remove the menus then
[12:47] <|trey|> hartbrkr: if you activate universe, its not supported though..
[12:48] <|trey|> Pizbit: in Xchat you can't...
[12:48] <Pizbit> Randomize: You can have an xchat window with only the main text area and the text entry area visible ya know
[12:48] <Treenaks> Randomize: set some keys for raise/lower window..
[12:48] <hartbrkr> |trey| what do you mean activate universe? or can I get it with Synaptic?
[12:48] <Pizbit> |trey|: Right click -> Untick menu bar, it's gone.
[12:49] <|trey|> Hmm
[12:49] <|trey|> And you don't need tabs...
[12:49] <Pizbit> And you can hide the tabs:)
[12:50] <Randomize> Right clicking my menu bar = nothing. :)
[12:50] <|trey|> Set everything to "New Window" in Tabs
[12:50] <Pizbit> Randomize: In the main xchat area
[12:50] <|trey|> Randomize: right click in the dot:   .
[12:50] <Pizbit> Where you're reading this
[12:51] <Pizbit> http://img98.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img98&image=xchat-240.png
[12:51] <Randomize> Thanks, as I've said ... tired. :)
[12:51] <Randomize> Thought I read "right click menu bar" :)
[12:52] <Pizbit> And then you can use the gnome keyboard shortcut to fullscreen xchat:)
[12:53] <Randomize> I'll just CTRL-TAB through them for the time being. :)  Other fish to fry.  Or saute.  Perhaps broil.
[12:54] <Pizbit> ctrl+pgup/pgdown :)
[12:54] <Randomize> Yah, CTRL-TAB is just a reflex. :)
[12:54] <Randomize> Why fight muscle memory? :)
[12:54] <Pizbit> Never got that entrained.
[12:54] <Pizbit> ctrl+pgup/pgdown works in gnome-terminal, firefox and other tabbed apps.
[12:55] <ploum> I don't find doc that explain precisely what universe and multiverse are, if they have all debian packages and how they are built
[12:55] <Randomize> I know.  I didn't mean that it was a platform-specific reflex. :)
[12:55] <Treenaks> Pizbit: ctrl+pgup? not shift? 
[12:56] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Correct
[12:56] <Pizbit> Changing tab, not scrolling:)
[12:56] <Pizbit> shift+pgup/down does nothing in xchat anyway.
[12:56] <Treenaks> maybe it's just plain pgup
[12:57] <Pizbit> It is.
[12:57] <Pizbit> Only come across the need for shift when working in terminals.
[01:01] <gerardo> hola
[01:02] <jkg> well obviously it doesn't _matter_, but it seems a bit odd.
[01:05] <MacPlusG3> dkg: it's because ubuntu is snapshot of debian unstable and stabilised
[01:05] <MacPlusG3> dkg: i.e. nobody's fixed up that (wrong) file yet
[01:06] <Kamion> well, it isn't really wrong
[01:06] <Kamion> we include /etc/lsb-release as well with Ubuntu versioning
[01:06] <Juz_moi> which file?
[01:12] <Q-FUNK> nice distro
[01:13] <liran> yeah thanks :)
[01:13] <Q-FUNK> or well, a good start, anyhow.
[01:14] <liran> so Q-FUNK you liked my distro ?
[01:15] <Q-FUNK> "my"?
[01:15] <liran> yes
[01:15] <Q-FUNK> as I understand, this is a community project.
[01:15] <liran> nop
[01:15] <liran> mine
[01:16] <Randomize> Unfortunately, like any other community, it has it's share of crazy people running around screaming "It's MY Island!". :)
[01:16] <liran> :P
[01:17] <Q-FUNK> so it seems.
[01:18] <|trey|> Randomize: who's you, you been in here all night  :)
[01:19] <Randomize> I think Rhythmbox has triggered a previously latent obsessive-compulsive tendency in me.
[01:19] <|trey|> Randomize: how so?
[01:20] <Randomize> As of 0.8.4 Rhythmbox is supposed to dynamically handle new filetypes (add a plugin to gstreamer), but it's not working.  People on other distros have been able to reinstall from CVS to fix it (supposedly) but I'm having ... issues. :)
[01:20] <mrjive> hi mako!
[01:22] <|trey|> Randomize: mplayer-nogui is a lot easier... mplayer file.mpg  :)  add ffmpeg and w32codecs for good codec support  :)
[01:23] <|trey|> need to add universe for for some of the packages though..
[01:23] <|trey|> minus one for
[01:23] <Randomize> trey:  Yah, I have the files working under mplayer / bmp / xmms / etc.  But since ubuntu is set up to be gstreamer/rhythmbox-centric out of the box, I want to get this working on principle.
[01:24] <|trey|> Randomize: Would be nice one day... for now there is mplayer for your pr0n  8)
[01:24] <Randomize> Yah, not so good for managing 3800 or so audiofiles, though. :)
[01:24] <Pizbit> amaroK :D
[01:24] <|trey|> Rhythmbox currently...  :(
[01:24] <Randomize> I know.
[01:25] <Randomize> But since I'm sure it's going to be some tiny dipshit bug, I want to figure it out.
[01:25] <Pizbit> That's the spirit!
[01:25] <|trey|> Not really a bad thing, prolly the best all around music player for Linux...
[01:25] <Randomize> It's sort of a fool's errand, but has the passive benefit of making me learn things about working with linux that I don't know.
[01:25] <|trey|> I think Helix should be movie player though...
[01:26] <|trey|> Helix is being supported by Red Hat/Fedora and Novell... it will become standard... why be last to catch on?
[01:26] <Pizbit> |trey|: Eh? amaroK is better than rythmbox, supports mroe engines than just gstreamer;)
[01:26] <Randomize> The problem is I sort of ... broke ... things earlier and a couple autogen.sh's I tried to run just refused to see some libraries that were working right, and in /usr/bin.
[01:26] <Randomize> So I rolled a clean install to try again.
[01:27] <Pizbit> Anyway, sleep time;)
[01:27] <Randomize> I'd feel a little better if I could get straight answers out of the lurkers in #rhythmbox on irc.gimp.org, though. :)
[01:27] <|trey|> https://player.helixcommunity.org/
[01:28] <Scognito> hi all
[01:29] <|trey|> Randomize: ahh, whats your question?
[01:29] <Scognito> can i install ubuntu on a laptop with centrino?
[01:29] <tvon> yes
[01:29] <Randomize> I know that the people who solved their problems with file support did so by installing from CVS, but it's not clear if they had to do gstreamer > gst-plugins > rhythmbox, or JUST rhythmbox. :)
[01:30] <Scognito> tvon, ok thanks
[01:30] <Randomize> The workflow wasn't clearly noted.
[01:30] <Scognito> do you have centrino?
[01:30] <tvon> yes
[01:30] <Randomize> Sorry, repl. installing w/ compiling.
[01:30] <tvon> IBM X31
[01:30] <tvon> There is no driver for the centrino wireless card in Ubuntu that I am aware of however
[01:30] <Scognito> have you got problems?
[01:30] <tvon> though the driver is available from Intel I think
[01:30] <sladen> tvon: ipw2100 ?
[01:30] <Scognito> i don't need wireless
[01:31] <tvon> sladen: no clue, havent had the card in here for a while
[01:31] <tvon> Scognito: no problems, everything runs great
[01:31] <tvon> sladen: for all I know the drivers are in now
[01:31] <Scognito> ok thanks
[01:31] <tvon> Scognito: no problem
[01:33] <|trey|> Pizbit: I like the interface of Rhythmbox/iTunes... amarok is too much like XMMS/Winamp...
[01:34] <finn> does ubuntu include ndiswrapper for using broadcom wireless cards?
[01:34] <|trey|> Pizbit: I will prolly use it again next time I use KDE  :/
[01:35] <|trey|> JuK didn't support pls either   :/
[01:37] <Randomize> By the by, if pci=noacpi, noapic and nolapic (independently or collectively) don't resolve a problem with a USB mouse not responding on boot (intermittently) what would be next?
[01:38] <|trey|> finn: Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic > Seach > "ndiswrapper"
[01:39] <finn> |trey|, ah, i haven't installed it yet (running gentoo on this laptop at the moment, but fed up with the slow updates)
[01:39] <|trey|> finn: has ndiswrapper-utils that I see...
[01:40] <finn> cool.  now i just have to wait for the iso to finish downloading
[01:41] <|trey|> finn: They need netinst's... when you select "Install from Internet" "Yes", it gets it from there today anyways...
[01:41] <|trey|> Image would be a lot smaller
[01:42] <finn> |trey|, really?  hmm... I'll have to go find that image :) thanks
[01:42] <jono> hi all
[01:42] <|trey|> finn: no, I'm saying they don't have them  :/
[01:42] <jono> I am trying to remotely run an X app and I am using: ssh -X jono@192.168.0.172 gimp and it says the display cannot be found
[01:43] <jono> any ideas?
[01:43] <jono> I have configured sshd_config and ssh_config too
[01:43] <finn> |trey|, ah... maybe there's a way of using a debian netinst image?
[01:43] <Treenaks> jono: did you configure sshd_config on the SERVER or on the client?
[01:43] <Treenaks> jono: did you restart the ssh serveR?
[01:43] <finn> Ah well, the download is mostly finished
[01:43] <jono> Treenaks, server
[01:43] <finn> i started a few hours ago
[01:43] <jono> ahhh never restarted it
[01:43] <jono> d'oh!
[01:43] <|trey|> finn: technically... if you use ubuntu's archive... it should work via "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[01:44] <|trey|> s/technically/theoretically/
[01:44] <staticactivity> hey, how to stop services like ssh, postfix from getting started. i don't want all the server applications
[01:44] <|trey|> Choosing "Manually select packages"
[01:45] <jono> thanks Treenaks
[01:45] <Treenaks> jono: np :)
[01:46] <moose6S89> hello
[01:46] <Seveas> hello
[01:46] <moose6S89> i'm a linux noob, and i need some help
[01:46] <moose6S89> i just got ubuntu yesterday and installed it
[01:46] <moose6S89> i'm trying to go online by installing roaring penguin's pppoe
[01:46] <moose6S89> but it's not working..
[01:46] <g0tcha> hi
[01:46] <moose6S89> anyone have any ideas?
[01:46] <moose6S89> it says it's not able to configure or something..
[01:47] <moose6S89> hmm..
[01:47] <Randomize> joem: If you're awake / interested, I still get that automake error on a clean install.
[01:47] <afonit> I have no idea, never used that.
[01:47] <moose6S89> supposedly, you just type ./go to install
[01:47] <g0tcha> i have a problem getting XP to dual boot with ubuntu , do you think it has something to do with this http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[01:48] <moose6S89> so i did cd /home/<name>/Desktop
[01:48] <moose6S89> then ./go
[01:48] <moose6S89> is that correct?
[01:48] <afonit> humm
[01:49] <Randomize> So, for anyone who likes annoying things that make no sense ... I have an autogen.sh script from the CVS source for Rhythmbox.  In that script, it does some calls to check the version of automake on my system.  Even though automake-1.8 is in /usr/bin, as well as a link to it called automake, the script bombs.  Ideas?
[01:50] <Seveas> g0tcha i do not think that that is the problem
[01:50] <Seveas> since Ubuntu does not alter harddisk geometry afaik
[01:51] <finn> |trey|,  i found an upgrade guide from debian 3.0 in the latest faqs section of the website (so a network install is possible)
[02:03] <Manny> hi
[02:04] <Manny> are there any jre and/or jdk packages available for ubuntu?
[02:05] <Hmmmmm_> Manny, i dont think so
[02:06] <Hmmmmm_> of course u cna gte it off sun's site
[02:06] <Hmmmmm_> no official debs at least
[02:07] <mg> installing java is mentioned in the FAQ
[02:08] <Manny> mg: I can't find it
[02:08] <mg> one moment, i'll find the link ...
[02:08] <Manny> I've already grepped the web FAQ with /java - nothing
[02:09] <mg> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[02:09] <Manny> thanks
[02:09] <Hmmmmm_> guys how do i back up my mails in evolution?
[02:09] <Hmmmmm_> i wana migrate from fc2 to ubuntu
[02:11] <Manny> Hmmmmm_: cp -a ~/.evolution ~/.evolution-backup
[02:11] <mg> Hmmmmm_: iirc, evolution uses mbox so you can just copy the files.
[02:11] <Manny> Hmmmmm_: what evo version are you referring to?
[02:11] <Manny> remember that account information is stored in gconf
[02:12] <Hmmmmm_> lemme check
[02:12] <Manny> (for evo 2.0, at least)
[02:12] <jacob> Is there a date for when WW bill be released ?
[02:12] <Hmmmmm_> im using 1.4.6 now and wana move to 2 in ubuntu
[02:12] <Manny> Hmmmmm_: I think in 1.x times, account data was located at ~/evolution
[02:13] <Manny> you should cp -a that from the old partition to ~, and then simply launch evo
[02:13] <Manny> it has an import assistant
[02:13] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[02:14] <afonit> does anyoneknow how to map a keyboard shotcut to the force quit applet?
[02:17] <Manny> afonit: please file a bug report at bugzilla.gnome.org
[02:41] <sepheebear> what's up in here?
[02:44] <joolz> i haven't been paying much attention today, so forgive me if this is already overdiscussed...
[02:44] <joolz> ... the new artwork, is it here to stay?
[02:44] <Randomize> Only the guy.  They're getting rid of the girls.
[02:45] <joolz> Randomize: hehe
[02:45] <joolz> but seriously, I think it's weird.
[02:45] <tseng> so does everyone
[02:45] <joolz> I'm not offended by it, but IMO it's something for a Pepsi ad, not for a desktop
[02:45] <Randomize> Would it make you more comfortable if we photoshopped 'em and put clown noses on the lot?
[02:46] <tseng> im plenty comfortable with it, it just looks ridiculous
[02:46] <Mithrandir> joolz: I disagree.  I think it brings out a lot of the ubuntu spirit.
[02:46] <Mithrandir> tseng: then change it. :)
[02:46] <joolz> yes, they're misplaced
[02:47] <tseng> it would even be well done, if it were an ad in a womens magazine
[02:47] <darkersatanic> I like the images. I wouldn't have them on my desktop, but I still like them as a brand-identity.
[02:47] <plovs_work> tseng, new tomboy package is out :)
[02:47] <tseng> plovs_work: ya ya
[02:47] <tseng> maybe later i have class soon
[02:47] <joolz> darkersatanic: ok, agreed. Put them on the website, in ads etc. etc.
[02:47] <tseng> plovs_work: i just repackaged kurush, gtk# finance app.. not up yet
[02:47] <joolz> but so prominently on the desktop?
[02:48] <darkersatanic> *shrug* You can change that.
[02:48] <plovs_work> tseng, one i'll figure out how to make debian packages, then I might be able to help
[02:48] <joolz> maybe it's trendsetting, but i don't like it.
[02:48] <joolz> darkersatanic: sure, i know that
[02:48] <Mithrandir> joolz: then you get to change it.  Nobody's going to stand in your way. :)
[02:48] <tseng> Mithrandir: sane defaults rock
[02:48] <liran> mates
[02:48] <joolz> tseng: hear hear
[02:49] <Mithrandir> tseng: none of those people look insane to me
[02:49] <Mithrandir> ;)
[02:49] <joolz> Mithrandir: of course not
[02:49] <liran> when ubuntu goes final at 20/10 i only have to do apt-get upgrade;apt-get update
[02:49] <liran> ?
[02:49] <joolz> and the photo's are ok too
[02:49] <tseng> plovs_work: hrm not really, updates are pretty quick. just gotta test them and upload
[02:49] <Mithrandir> liran: yes.
[02:49] <liran> goodi
[02:49] <kremlyn> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1421241
[02:49] <tseng> plovs_work: by which point im usually fairly distracted and not doing what im supposed to be IRL
[02:49] <tseng> so later.
[02:49] <kremlyn> Article on Ubuntu.
[02:50] <plovs_work> tseng, aren't we all 
[02:50] <joolz> kremlyn: sloooow
[02:50] <joolz> almost /.ted
[02:50] <joolz> :)
[02:55] <joolz> from the article: "The interface is clean and easy on the eyes." That was probably written before today *grin*
[02:56] <jazzka> do anyone know how to decrease the processor speed?
[02:58] <HcE> jazzka: I use cpudynd
[02:58] <HcE> I have a Pentium_M
[02:58] <HcE> s/_/-/
[02:58] <jazzka> do I need to recompile the kernel or something tricky?
[02:59] <HcE> I have compiled my own kernel, but AFAIK you need speedsteping
[02:59] <HcE> Intel enhanced speedsted
[02:59] <HcE> argh
[03:00] <HcE> <-- laggy line
[03:00] <spiv> It should be in the default kernel, I think.
[03:00] <HcE> spiv: I would think so too
[03:00] <Mithrandir> hi HcE 
[03:01] <HcE> hi Mithrandir 
[03:01] <jazzka> HcE, ok I've got cpudynd running, how can I see the results or some info?
[03:01] <HcE> jazzka: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:02] <HcE> I use gkrellm to show me CPU speed, temperature and so on
[03:03] <jazzka> I'm using gnome's cpu monitor applet in task bar
[03:03] <HcE> ok
[03:03] <HcE> I guess it should alter
[03:04] <LinuxJones> good morning everybody !!
[03:06] <georgia> lo LinuxJones
[03:11] <jazzka> when working on a terminal, how can I scroll up and down without the mouse?
[03:12] <spiv> Shift-PgUp and Shift-PgDn
[03:13] <jazzka> thanks!
[03:23] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend a reliable webhosting company, I have heard that Rackspace is very good ?
[03:24] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: I have heard other stories about rackspace lately..
[03:24] <sladen> LinuxJones: depends whether you want you servers handed over to the FBI or not
[03:24] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, no way, I have only heard great things.
[03:24] <LinuxJones> sladen, wth ?
[03:25] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: look on news.google.com for 'indymedia' and 'rackspace'
[03:25] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, ok will do
[03:25] <sladen> LinuxJones: http://news.google.com/news?q=rackspace
[03:29] <^aDePt^> heya people
[03:29] <ploum> hey
[03:30] <^aDePt^> just found the page for ubuntu looks promising
[03:31] <^aDePt^> how suitable would it be for running as a server for a sql database and file server? seems more orientated for a desktop would that be correcT?
[03:32] <spiv> ^aDePt^: It's just as good for servers.
[03:33] <^aDePt^> cool.. its debian based, does that mean you can use a normal apt-get debian mirror? or does it have to be a ubuntu mirror?
[03:33] <spiv> ^aDePt^: things like postgres and samba are supported pacakges... if you do a "custom" install, you can get a minimal install suitable for building a server.
[03:33] <LinuxJones> Treenaks/sladen , They are implying that IndyMedia is a terrorist organization, that is such BS. 
[03:33] <^aDePt^> cool. thats pretty much all i want to run is postgres and samba at this stage to start with then work up from there to getting apache and tomcat
[03:34] <spiv> ^aDePt^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[03:34] <^aDePt^> kewl thanx. was looking for something of that nature but couldnt find it
[03:34] <spiv> ^aDePt^: That faq explains (rather tersely) that you can't use debian archive in ubuntu.
[03:35] <^aDePt^> can but will cause hell in the long run :o)
[03:35] <plovs_work> ^aDePt^, technically you can, but practically, especially since you asked the question, you are likely to mess up your computer
[03:36] <spiv> Right.  Or immediately, depending...
[03:36] <jono> hi all
[03:36] <spiv> APT might do things like random switch between the ubuntu version of a package, and the debian one each time you run it...
[03:36] <^aDePt^> hi
[03:36] <jono> can anyone point me in the right direction to run a remote X session (the entire desktop) on my local computer?
[03:37] <^aDePt^> does debian support yum? and is there a benefit over apt or is yum only for rpms
[03:37] <mjr> jono, run gdm (or xdm or kdm) and do an X -query otherhost on the box you want to use otherbox from
[03:37] <plovs_work> ^aDePt^, no yum it is for rpm
[03:37] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[03:37] <mjr> (oh, and the ?dm must be running on otherbox)
[03:38] <mjr> (oh, and I used otherbox and otherhost interchangeably ;)
[03:38] <spiv> ^aDePt^: afaik, debian only has apt, but there's plenty of frontends on that... e.g. ubuntu comes with aptitude and synaptic, in addition to good ol' apt-get.
[03:38] <^aDePt^> cool.
[03:38] <^aDePt^> ive come from using caos lately so i kinda grew to like yum
[03:39] <pantz> anyone know why the interface for 'login screen config' doesn't take well to new themes?
[03:40] <spiv> pantz: Not that I've tried installing new themes, but what do you mean by "doesn't take well"?
[03:40] <pantz> spiv: i have smoothgnome installed and it looks good everywhere except the 'login screen config' app
[03:40] <pantz> it looks like it defaults back to a default theme
[03:41] <pantz> i saw this a fair bit with redhat/fedora - could it be that it is written in pyGTK?
[03:42] <jono> ok cheers mjr
[03:42] <jono> heya LinuxJones :)
[03:43] <LinuxJones> jono, you looked @ tightvnc for remote desktop adminstration ?
[03:43] <spiv> pantz: gdmsetup (the login screen config program) is written in C, I think.
[03:43] <jono> LinuxJones, yeah, I am using that too
[03:43] <spiv> pantz: judging from the fact that /usr/bin/gdmsetup is an executable and not a python file :)
[03:44] <pantz> hehe - yeah i am not at my machine at the mo. - thanks for checkign
[03:44] <jono> when I run: X -query 192.168.0.100, I only get the x cursor and hatching - no gdm - any idea how to fix this?
[03:44] <spiv> pantz: Well, seeing as I can't help with your actual problem ;)
[03:44] <mjr> jono, hmm, you might not have XDMCP enabled on the gdm at 192.168.0.100
[03:44] <pantz> spiv: do you see the same thing as me - or does gdmsetup take your theme?
[03:44] <mjr> run the gdm configure tool
[03:44] <jono> mjr, where do I enable that?
[03:45] <pantz> jono: gdmsetup
[03:45] <mjr> yeah, that's the one
[03:46] <Kamion> ^aDePt^: as I understand it, yum cloned a lot of its ideas off apt anyway ...
[03:46] <sladen> ^aDePt^: yum is basically a rip-off of the Debian APT system
[03:46] <spiv> pantz: Well, I don't mind the new theme, so I haven't tried...
[03:47] <sladen> Kamion: snap
[03:47] <^aDePt^> yeh hopefully ill get with apt then
[03:47] <jono> works now, cheers :)
[03:47] <jono> sladen, heya man
[03:47] <LinuxJones> YUM is written in Perl I think and seems rather slow and bogged down.
[03:48] <jcatalan> I have two questions... first, when booting, the hotplug subsystem fails.
[03:48] <jcatalan> If I unplug all usb devices, it boots fine.. and plugging them in once in x works fine.
[03:48] <jono> what does gdmconfig change when it turns xdmcp on?
[03:49] <pantz> LinuxJones: yum is written in python - even slower :) but nice to maintain!
[03:49] <jcatalan> I wish I could tell you.. I don't know what that means.
[03:50] <mjr> jono, it was some conf file under /etc/X11/gdm
[03:50] <jcatalan> I've read about stopping the hotplug on boot by putting "no hotplug" or something in grub,
[03:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yum is python
[03:50] <jcatalan> but the boot fails when I edit grub.
[03:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> afaik
[03:50] <LinuxJones> pantz, it runs like a turtle in quicksand. Horrid :D
[03:52] <jcatalan> :-/
[03:52] <jcatalan> anyone know where I can get my hand held through this?
[03:53] <tvon> Yum is piss slow, but its not because of python
[03:54] <jono> mjr, oh right, I thought it would tweak something in X itself
[03:55] <MyKq3> can some one recomand me about good burning program plz
[03:56] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, cd burning ?
[03:56] <MyKq3> yeah 
[03:56] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, k3b is the best cd/dvd recording front end that I have used.
[03:57] <MyKq3> LinuxJones, yeah but i have some problems with it on Ubuntu + Gnome 
[03:57] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, it's a KDE application but will require a bunch of kde library files about 25 megs I think
[03:58] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, xcdroast is very good but it takes a while to get used to the interface.
[03:58] <pantz> MyKq3: do you run 'sudo k3b' ?
[03:59] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  thanks i will try it ( for the recored i love K3b but it don't run very well on my Gnome ...)
[03:59] <guptan> amu: from where can I get Amaranth Artwork used by u in Gnoppix?
[04:00] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, it seems to work ok for me, but I only burned 1 cd since I installed Ubuntu.
[04:00] <MyKq3> pantz,  no i just Alt+ F2 k3b
[04:00] <MyKq3> :)
[04:02] <pantz> MyKq3: i heard people saying you need to run it as root to avoid most of the problems
[04:03] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> k3b works fine on mandrake 10 for me as normal user
[04:03] <MyKq3> pantz,  I don't like to run programs as root ...
[04:03] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> though I've found with mac os x, if most programs that need to burn are "cd burner enabled", then it's fine
[04:04] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> e.g. one can burn files with the finder.. or burn an audio/mp3 cd with itunes.. burn a DVD with iDVD.. etc etc
[04:04] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> specialist burning programs are probably for if you want to do something special
[04:04] <pantz> MyKq3: what exactly are your problems with k3b and ubuntu?
[04:06] <MyKq3> i have some problem to burn Hebrew files and files with Hebrew content + some times it  fails to burn ... 
[04:06] <MyKq3> pantz, ^
[04:06] <pantz> oh ok
[04:07] <zenwhen> lol http://carboncopy.rubeus.org/image/Screenshot.png
[04:07] <Kamion> MyKq3: I'd be totally amazed if Hebrew content in files made the slightest bit of difference
[04:07] <Kamion> MyKq3: Hebrew filenames might be an issue if they aren't UTF-8 and you haven't told mkisofs about them, I guess
[04:08] <Kamion> MyKq3: but that should only be an issue at the mkisofs level; the actual burn to disk doesn't care
[04:09] <MyKq3> Kamion,  i was amazed too ^^ so u rn not the only one ( it was a *.txt file if i recall and i can't c it only on windows SYS) 
[04:09] <Kamion> MyKq3: I'm not amazed, I just flat-out don't believe that the burn to disk is a problem.
[04:10] <Kamion> MyKq3: k3b starts out with a directory tree, doesn't it?
[04:10] <MyKq3> kitchen`,  i can't remmber is was 2 weeks ago sine i used it 
[04:10] <Kamion> MyKq3: (considering that every CD application on the planet is totally happy with binary data, Hebrew content or otherwise won't matter at all)
[04:10] <MyKq3> since*
[04:11] <Kamion> the only case I can imagine where it might start to make a difference would be if it runs 'file' over everything, or something like that
[04:11] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, if you don't run k3b as root user you might not have permission to access the file under your normal user account.
[04:12] <MyKq3> Kamion,  ... can u expline that ( to give me and exmple... )
[04:13] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  oh yeah i fixed by giving me permission ... ( no biggy )
[04:15] <tvon> Someone was on here earlier talking about how gtk felt 'slow and clunky' to them because of the crappy way it redraws...
[04:15] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  i done that by fixing the uid and gid on the /etc/fstab file 
[04:15] <tvon> I thought he was on crack...but dammit if Ididnt just install kde to compare and he's right...redraw sucks in gtk.
[04:16] <LinuxJones> tvon, it seems to work just fine for me :)
[04:16] <Kamion> MyKq3: I'm just speaking off the cuff, can't give you an exact example
[04:17] <tvon> LinuxJones: if I grab the edge of a window and resize it horizon quicly I, a gap shows up between the scrollbar and the window edge
[04:17] <tvon> happens a lil with xchat, but is easily noticable in more complex apps lke evolution
[04:18] <tvon> Not a big deal really...but I always considered gtk to be much smoother than QT
[04:18] <spiv> tvon: I can't reproduce with nautilus...
[04:19] <MyKq3> Kamion,  look i  m more then sure that it was my bad some how , And I dont calem otherwise ... K3b it more then gr8 itsthe best burning program i know 
[04:19] <Kamion> ouch, my eyes, "great" wouldn't be that much more to type, would it? :-)
[04:20] <LinuxJones> tvon, don't resize window really really fast and the problem will go away :D
[04:20] <tvon> LinuxJones: this is true :)
[04:20] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:34] <amu> guptan: hmm, i guess from http://www.gnome-look.org/
[04:34] <guptan> amu: thanks
[04:42] <mxpxpod> did you guys update the installer?
[04:47] <Kamion> mxpxpod: in what way?
[04:48] <mxpxpod> Kamion: I see that the latest iso's have a date of 10/13
[04:48] <Kamion> yep
[04:48] <Kamion> the installer's rebuilt pretty regularly
[04:48] <Kamion> reassembled, I should say
[04:48] <mxpxpod> ah, ok
[04:48] <Kamion> for much of the lifetime of warty we've been doing daily installer builds
[04:48] <Kamion> but that's just the initrds
[04:52] <mg> erm, how do i put this politely ... i assume the new artwork is actually a joke? ;-)
[04:53] <georgia> mg: why would it be a joke?
[04:53] <mg> i just logged out of gnome. got one hell of a shock ;-) my wife just started laughing behind me
[04:53] <Kamion> it's not, but there have been a lot of complaints
[04:54] <AndyFitz> mg: how could it be a joke ?
[04:54] <mg> well, this sort of think is highly subjective but *to me* it looks "cheesy".
[04:55] <AndyFitz> ubuntu = humanity .. wallpaper/artwork = humans.  A tasteful and very mature concept too
[04:55] <lhb> mg: why?
[04:55] <lalmeras> default artwork should be a bit more impersonal
[04:55] <lhb> AndyFitz: well said
[04:55] <AndyFitz> not true.  its ubuntu's close link with humanity that sets it apart
[04:55] <mxpxpod> is the old ubuntu artwork still there?
[04:56] <mg> i really like ubuntu's philosphy - it's one of the things that made me take notice. the artwork is just too obvious, too in the face.
[04:57] <lalmeras> old artwork is overwritten by new
[04:57] <mxpxpod> mg: I was thinking they could take the idea of that picture and modify it to be more impersonal... like have faceless people there
[04:57] <bob2> you can change back if you like
[04:57] <AndyFitz> people will criticize. and cultures have different ideals. but being impersonal wont drive the philosophy home.   no doubt people would be e-mailing saying " why arent they wearing glasses "  if all the artwork were just heads hots
[04:57] <lhb> art.gnome.org has some nice penguin backgrounds
[04:58] <AndyFitz> heads hots = headshots :-P
[04:58] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: good point :)
[04:58] <war88> hey what is the root password for unbuntu? i did not see an option to set it?
[04:58] <war88> when I installed (warty)
[04:59] <AndyFitz> war88  
[04:59] <AndyFitz> there is no root
[04:59] <lalmeras> there is not root password
[04:59] <mxpxpod> war88: there isn't a root pw
[04:59] <AndyFitz> type sudo -s
[04:59] <lalmeras> use sudo
[04:59] <war88> ahh, ok thanks
[04:59] <AndyFitz> and then your user pass
[04:59] <mxpxpod> I quite like that... no root :)
[04:59] <bob2> war88: it's in the FAQ.
[05:00] <war88> sudo passwd root
[05:00] <war88> :)
[05:02] <tiagobugarin> hi all, i have made a shit with my ubuntu. i was trying to make it boot faster on my pc133mhz by removing stuff like usb.rc (i dont have usb) so i thought trying to change hotplug startup detection for discover. removing hotplug was easy "update-rc.d hotplug remove" did it. but i was unable to add discover... anyone can help me?
[05:02] <mg> re artwork, i just think something more subtle, probably something abstract, would be a better choice.
[05:02] <AndyFitz> mxpxpod: i love the idea of no root
[05:03] <bob2> tiagobugarin: discover is in universe.
[05:03] <Nonphasis> what? the new artwork isn't subtle enough? ;-)
[05:03] <bob2> tiagobugarin: if you want speed, just load your modules manually
[05:03] <mg> by the way, the default desktop background is lovely
[05:04] <Nonphasis> the splash screen is the problem, because it's not "obvious" how to change it
[05:04] <AndyFitz> redhat gave a talk here recently about SELinux  its a pretty awesome concept but nowhere near as mature on the linux desktop as it should be to work effectively. sudo is a nice way to get the best of what we have
[05:04] <bob2> Nonphasis: isn't it documented in the FAQ?
[05:04] <Nonphasis> bob2, I dunno. If something is in the FAQ, it's by definition not obvious
[05:04] <tiagobugarin> bob2: universe is turned on on my installation (by myself) and manually adding modules won't gimme speed. it will gimme work to do
[05:04] <bob2> Nonphasis: haha
[05:05] <Nonphasis> I changed the symlink in .../pikmaps/splash
[05:05] <Nonphasis> pixmaps
[05:05] <bob2> Nonphasis: FAQ is very close to being as obvious as can be
[05:05] <bob2> tiagobugarin: erm, ok then
[05:06] <Nonphasis> bob2, if it was obvious, it wouldn't be frequently asked
[05:06] <Nonphasis> obvious is e.g changing the background image
[05:06] <Keybuk> Nonphasis: it's obvious how to just turn it off though *shrug*
[05:06] <tiagobugarin> bob2: by now i want to find out how to add hotplug back to the init... do you know how?
[05:07] <bob2> tiagobugarin: update-rc.d hotplug defaults 
[05:07] <bob2> Nonphasis: adding an actual config option for the splash screen seems pretty excessive, when changing it is so easy
[05:07] <tiagobugarin> hummm thanks
[05:08] <Nonphasis> bob2, what's more important, with a neutral splash image none of this would be necessary
[05:08] <Nonphasis> this is probably the first time I've needed to change the splash image
[05:08] <bob2> Nonphasis: I'm not the person to be convincing
[05:08] <mako> mrjive: hey there
[05:09] <Nonphasis> bob2, yeah, probably not. Just venting :)
[05:09] <mxpxpod> is xorg in ubuntu yet? someone just asked me if it was in 4.10 rc1
[05:09] <Nonphasis> mxpxpod, nope
[05:09] <bob2> mxpxpod: no
[05:09] <mxpxpod> ok
[05:09] <mxpxpod> just making sure
[05:10] <mxpxpod> it's going to be in hoary, right?
[05:10] <bob2> it won't go in until hoary.
[05:10] <bob2> right.
[05:10] <mxpxpod> ok
[05:11] <Nonphasis> google needs to implement a search for irc channel histories
[05:11] <mg> out of interest, what was wrong with just using the ubuntu logo? i like that, it *suggests* people joining together without making it quite so obvious.
[05:11] <bob2> it's not a technical choice
[05:12] <bob2> nothing is "wrong" with either of them
[05:12] <mg> bob2: agreed. as i said, this is highly subjective
[05:12] <mrjive> mako, :)
[05:14] <Kamion> bob2: changing the gnome-session splash screen is tediously hard
[05:14] <Kamion> bob2: nothing that involves gconf-editor can possibly be described as easy
[05:14] <bob2> Kamion: well, it's something you can easily explain, at least
[05:15] <bob2> not that I disagree with the "less...controversial default" folk
[05:15] <dieman> Kamion: can you guys just make the splash image use alternatives?
[05:15] <dieman> Kamion: so another package can provide it and update-alternatives can be used?
[05:16] <Kamion> bob2: everybody has been talking about discoverability for everything else; why shouldn't it apply here too?
[05:16] <dieman> right now I'm just going to divert the splash
[05:16] <Kamion> dieman: not up to me :(
[05:16] <bob2> Kamion: hmmm
[05:16] <bob2> that's a good point
[05:23] <abstrato_general> so, what's with the ubuntu hype?
[05:23] <abstrato_general> what makes it different from, say, Lycoris, Lindows or Knoppix as debian-based desktop-oriented projects?
[05:25] <Nonphasis> anyone know how I could force Ubuntu to use siimage SATA driver instead of sil_sata?
[05:25] <Nonphasis> some hotplug editing?
[05:26] <bob2> abstrato_general: try and see
[05:28] <AndyFitz> sleeptime  ciao
[05:28] <abstrato_general> bob2: I'm thinking of waiting till the Warty release.
[05:29] <abstrato_general> how does it perform, compared to, say, Mandrake and Gentoo?
[05:29] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> damn synaptic is buggy
[05:29] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> it just crashed on me before completing the upgrade
[05:30] <georgia> abstrato_general: i've only tried it on ppc and it runs VERY nicely, better than mandrake did, haven tried gentoo though
[05:30] <abstrato_general> Gentoo is awesome.
[05:30] <abstrato_general> Gentoo is a mixed blessing for older computers.
[05:30] <abstrato_general> It's a joy to run, you can't even believe it.
[05:30] <abstrato_general> But, compiling is SLOW.
[05:31] <georgia> yeah, that's why i didnt try it, i have little patience, and need the use of my machine
[05:31] <abstrato_general> it's amazing how Linux distros in general are much much slower than Windows XP.
[05:31] <bob2> oh, you have benchmarks?
[05:32] <abstrato_general> WinXP is a memory hog, but much lighter on processor resources than even Gentoo + Fluxbox.
[05:32] <abstrato_general> bah, I could produce processor and memory load averages.
[05:32] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> we have winXP running on P III 500MHz with 128MB ram machines at my uni, and it is unbearable :D
[05:33] <abstrato_general> it only gets worse if you consider "desktop" tasks like spreadsheets and suchlike.
[05:33] <mjr> well, to be fair, it might be the RAM
[05:33] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> cheapskates didn't bother upgrading the machines
[05:33] <georgia> windows xp runs like a total bitch on my mcahine compared to linux, though i am emulating an x86 machine when i run windows
[05:33] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> well yeah it's definitely the RAM
[05:33] <abstrato_general> az[a] zel_ubuntu: XP is a memory hog. I have it on a K6-II 300 with 312 megs of ram.
[05:33] <Nonphasis> abstrato_general, server/filesystem tasks are faster in linux
[05:33] <abstrato_general> Trust me, the K6-II 300 is much inferior to thre equivalent mhz pentium.
[05:33] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> XP's themeing engine makes it feel pretty slow
[05:33] <abstrato_general> Nonphasis: that is true. Calling FAT32 a filesystem is almost a stretch.
[05:34] <abstrato_general> XP's windowing engine is a dream compared to X.
[05:34] <daniels> to be fair, most of it is the fault of window managers being stupid, not X
[05:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> not if you want to run apps remotely.. I still prefer "ssh -C -X blah@host.com"
[05:35] <abstrato_general> With all the cool stuff on (true alpha, for instance), it's still more responsive to screen redraws than X+Fluxbox.
[05:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> xfree86 has been the ball and chain for ages
[05:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> but X.org is giving it a kick up the butt
[05:35] <abstrato_general> daniels: oh, come on. Near the end, I was running ratpoison because I couldn't stand the slow screen redraws, and it still was bad.
[05:35] <abstrato_general> morbid detail, xorg compiled myself. 
[05:35] <abstrato_general> a whole system compiled from stage 1.
[05:36] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm crap my mouse isn't working in ubuntu anymore
[05:36] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> light is still on, but nobody is home
[05:36] <abstrato_general> anyway, I'm addicted to Linux and am looking for something with better performance on old computers. Is Ubuntu for me?
[05:37] <abstrato_general> I even tried the experimental kernels.
[05:37] <abstrato_general> I even tried running with love-sources and ratpoison. I mean.
[05:37] <abstrato_general> It takes a beating. 
[05:37] <daniels> abstrato_general: how so?  are you talking about horrific tearing and redraw effects whne dragging, or other?
[05:38] <abstrato_general> daniels: when switching windows, for instance. or virtual desktops, in ratpoison.
[05:38] <abstrato_general> ratpoison is the most minimal WM available, it's just a series of virtual desktops where windows are showed maximized
[05:39] <abstrato_general> or when scrolling in any web browser.
[05:39] <abstrato_general> dillo, for chrissake.
[05:39] <daniels> abstrato_general: 'most minimal' == 'unlikely to properly implement many things, such as redraws'
[05:39] <abstrato_general> and YES, I experimented with prelinking too.
[05:39] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, what system specs do you have ?
[05:39] <daniels> abstrato_general: but in any case, have you ever tried starting the X server with '+bs'?
[05:39] <abstrato_general> daniels: i've tried the whole family. I've used fluxbox, kde, gnome, enlightenment, .
[05:39] <abstrato_general> daniels: what would +bs do?
[05:40] <daniels> abstrato_general: i'm not claiming that *any* window manager is written correctly.
[05:40] <daniels> abstrato_general: as per the manpage, it would implement the backing store, which is sort of brute-force double buffering.
[05:40] <bob2> abstrato_general: you know prelinking has no effect at all on runtime preformance, right?
[05:40] <abstrato_general> bob2:  prelinking is supposed to speed up app loading times, right?
[05:40] <bob2> abstrato_general: *loading*.
[05:41] <abstrato_general> bob2: Yes, I know. 
[05:41] <bob2> it wouldn't ever help with the things you're complaining about
[05:41] <daniels> (which are application design issues anyway)
[05:41] <abstrato_general> I haven't begun complaining about application loading times, wait :P
[05:42] <abstrato_general> anyway, what does Ubuntu do about these common desktop problems?
[05:42] <abstrato_general> (yes, I've seen them in all kinds of pre-P4/Athlon computers)
[05:42] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, what system specs do you have on your machine ?
[05:43] <abstrato_general> LinuxJones: I did say that thrice already :)
[05:43] <jordi> abstrato_general: have you tried twaking ooo in the preferences so it takes more swap space and memory?
[05:43] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, sorry am watching a movie :D
[05:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> heh, I've now upgraded ubuntu and have the "controversial" new theme :)
[05:43] <abstrato_general> jordi: that improves runtime performance, but not loading time.
[05:44] <jordi> the theme rocks
[05:44] <abstrato_general> In any case, no ammount of hacking (unless spending a few months under the hood) will fix the parsing problems OOo has with simple excel spreadsheets.
[05:44] <ploum> az[a] zel_ubuntu, I prefer the black woman ;-)
[05:44] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, K6-|| 300 is total junk, what do you expect will happen when you run X ?
[05:44] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hehe
[05:44] <bob2> Keybuk: oh. how?] 
[05:45] <abstrato_general> LinuxJones: it runs WinXP with all the GUI options on (including stuff not present in X like true alpha blending) very very well.
[05:45] <ploum> I run a debian sid converted to Ubuntu
[05:45] <ploum> What do you recommand to be "as ubuntu as possible" without reinstalling all
[05:45] <abstrato_general> yes, it's an "older computer".
[05:45] <Keybuk> bob2: not all symbols are relocated at load time, some are done at runtime as and when they're first called
[05:45] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, my brother has the same system running Windows 98 and it does not run very well at all.
[05:45] <bob2> Keybuk: oh
[05:46] <abstrato_general> LinuxJones: maybe he should switch to a NT kernel-based Windows like 2K or XP.
[05:46] <abstrato_general> anyway, all this kvetching because I'm actually addicted to Linux.
[05:46] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> someone on osnews said the bootup music is annoying? what music? maybe I should turn on my speakers
[05:46] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, what are the minimum system specs for Windows XP ?
[05:46] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there supposed to be a boot splash with this release?
[05:47] <abstrato_general> and was wondering if Ubuntu could help with my horrible performance problem.
[05:47] <LinuxJones> abstrato_general, Pentuim 500 and 128 megs of ram or something ?
[05:47] <abstrato_general> LinuxJones: nah. It runs very well on this machine - much much inferior to a P500.
[05:47] <abstrato_general> I mean _very well_.
[05:47] <abstrato_general> I have huge spreadsheets drowned in complexity, and.
[05:48] <Kamion> az[a] zel_ubuntu: no.
[05:49] <tiagobugarin> this discussion abstrato_general is bringing on here is pretty much the same i am doing with my linux friends in my city. i have a pentium1 133mhz, 64mb ram and 4,5gb harddrive, with a trident no-accelerated card with 1mb and it runs win2k sp4 3 or 4 times more smoothly than it do with ubuntu
[05:49] <daniels> az[a] zel_ubuntu: splash stuff is coming with hoary
[05:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> daniels, fair enough.. just curious because I'm running my own boot loader, and often with distro's, I can't get the splash to work if I use my own boot loader
[05:51] <Kamion> az[a] zel_ubuntu: the splash we'll be doing is entirely userspace; as long as your boot loader is smart enough to deal with an initrd, it should be fine
[05:51] <daniels> ... your own boot loader?
[05:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lilo, whcih is managed on my mandrake install and boots all my oS's
[05:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I don't like installing hte boot loader with other OS's
[05:52] <Keybuk> does mandrake not use grub?
[05:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> nope
[05:53] <dablitz> what is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive
[05:58] <tiagobugarin> i just realized that my ISA soundcard is not working! some one knows how to bring it up?
[06:05] <Nonphasis> anyone compiled a custom ubuntu kernel?
[06:06] <Nonphasis> is there a kernel command line to disable libata?
[06:06] <ryang> I'm going to have to compile a custom one if I decide to put it on my laptop
[06:06] <guptan> Is there any additional multimedia packages in Ubuntu RC which were absent in PR(I'm looking for Mplayer specifically)
[06:07] <Kosai> Nonphasis: Think you might be confused about what libata is.  What are you trying to achieve?
[06:08] <dablitz> what is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive
[06:09] <Nonphasis> Kosai, force ubuntu to use siimage insteaf of sata_sil
[06:09] <Nonphasis> Kosai, I suppose libata wants to load sata_sil
[06:09] <koroshiya> hi all
[06:10] <Nonphasis> but I'm downloading kernel sources now... suppose that might be easier
[06:10] <Kosai> Nonphasis: Ah, hm.  Sorry, no idea.  Try the #kernelnewbies channel, perhaps.
[06:10] <Nonphasis> ok, I'll try
[06:11] <koroshiya> are the ubuntu sources (for example your gnome) available for d/l on any ftp mirror?
[06:13] <Kamion> Nonphasis: it's the other way round isn't it? sata_sil depends on libata
[06:13] <Kamion> Nonphasis: blacklisting sata_sil and modprobing siimage would probably be more effective; exactly how to do that depends on how sata_sil is being loaded
[06:13] <Kamion> koroshiya: all Ubuntu mirrors have the source
[06:14] <Kamion> well, all sourceful mirrors anyway :) I guess we might've accumulated one or two binary-only mirrors, but archive.ubuntulinux.org definitely has the source
[06:14] <Nonphasis> Kamion, it just seems that the stuff comes from initrd
[06:14] <k3vb0t> is it possible to install Ubuntu in a dual boot with Windows 2k? 
[06:14] <Nonphasis> Kamion, blacklisting stuff in hotplug might be too late...
[06:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: /etc/mkinitrd/modules and re-mkinitrd then
[06:14] <k3vb0t> Does the installation give you that option?
[06:14] <koroshiya> Kamion, thnx :)
[06:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: or some kind of mkinitrd hack
[06:15] <Kamion> k3vb0t: worked for me last time I tried it with XP; it's not so much an option ...
[06:15] <Nonphasis> Kamion, new info, I'll look into it
[06:15] <k3vb0t> Kamion: then during the install how do I insure it doesn't write over my 2k install?
[06:16] <Kamion> k3vb0t: resize beforehand using partition magic or whatever
[06:16] <Kamion> k3vb0t: then select "manual partitioning" during the Ubuntu install
[06:16] <k3vb0t> Kamion: and go from there? ...sounds good. I can do that. (Relative newb, but I've done a few distros before... all desktop OS's though)
[06:17] <k3vb0t> I'm gonna go give this a shot. Thanks.
[06:18] <koroshiya> if i wanted to build the ubuntu modified gnome on any other distro, just to get the famous "Computer" menu, what component of gnome should I build? 
[06:18] <Nonphasis> hmm, mxinitrd doesn't seem to have any direct way to do it
[06:18] <Nonphasis> perhaps I'll just delete the .ko files :)
[06:18] <Nonphasis> damn, wont work either
[06:18] <koroshiya> i'm like, i'll download the gnome-desktop 
[06:23] <Nonphasis> hmm.... would Ubuntu work with one of the kernel-image's from debian?
[06:23] <ob> after removing the bloated crapfest that is OOo and installing gnomeoffice, ubuntu is now... perfect.
[06:23] <ob> well, when XOrg is included.  that too.
[06:29] <guptan> where can I get help about nVidia graphic cards in Ubuntu?
[06:29] <zenwhen> o
[06:31] <LinuxJones> guptan, what problems are you having ?
[06:32] <guptan> LinuxJones: I wud like to have higher resolution
[06:33] <LinuxJones> guptan, you can re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select higher resolutions.
[06:33] <bronson> Is there any way to get the installer to install the base system WITHOUT successfully partitioning the disks?
[06:33] <bronson> Every time I try to select "install base packages" it takes me to the partitioner.
[06:33] <guptan> LinuxJones: but I'm not getting right kind of refresh rates, and screen is kind of jittering
[06:33] <Treenaks> bronson: no, you need to partition the disk first, because that's where you select which partitions to use
[06:34] <Treenaks> bronson: you can also select 'don't format' for some partitions if you lik
[06:34] <Treenaks> e
[06:34] <bronson> Treenaks: Right.  The disk is partitioned fine.
[06:34] <bronson> Problem is, then they won't be used.
[06:34] <Treenaks> bronson: you have to use the partitioner to tell the installer which partition to install on
[06:34] <LinuxJones> guptan, you can manually edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file 
[06:35] <dablitz> what is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive
[06:35] <bronson> Treenaks: yes.  But when I say "Finish and write changes to disk", [Yes]  [No] 
[06:35] <guptan> LinuxJones: is there any advantage in having NV display drivers?
[06:35] <bronson> If I select Yes, I get hit with an error.
[06:35] <Treenaks> bronson: just do it..
[06:35] <bronson> If I select No, it bumps me back a screen.
[06:35] <LinuxJones> guptan, under the Monitor Section
[06:35] <Treenaks> bronson: what error?
[06:36] <LinuxJones> guptan, I like the drivers from NVidia
[06:36] <bronson> "This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout!  Parted can't resize this (yet)."
[06:36] <bronson> Under the title "Not yet implemented!"
[06:36] <LinuxJones> guptan, ar eyou using the nv drivers now ?
[06:36] <guptan> LinuxJones: I can see horizontal and vertical values. But in the screen resolution menu, it shows somethinge like 61Hz.
[06:36] <Treenaks> bronson: you might want to remove the partitions and re-create them then
[06:36] <bronson> Nothing needs to be resized, so I'm not quite sure why it's trying to...
[06:36] <bronson> I just did.
[06:37] <Treenaks> bronson: did you select 'format this partition' from the partitioner menu?
[06:37] <bronson> This is a work computer, so I can't touch hda1 and hda4.
[06:37] <guptan> LinuxJones: no, I haven't installed nv drivers for ubuntu now. But I saw nv working in Gnoppix (I saw the NV logo while booting)
[06:37] <Treenaks> bronson: and a mount point?
[06:37] <LinuxJones> guptan, are you sure you know what refresh rate your monitor can handel @ the resolution that you have set ?
[06:37] <bronson> Treenaks: yep.  hda3 on / and hda6 on /home.  hda5 is swap.
[06:38] <Treenaks> bronson: dont knwo then, sorry
[06:38] <bronson> It's an odd layout because I can't touch hda1 and hda4 but it should be perfectly fine.
[06:38] <guptan> LinuxJones: it was working fine in SuSE, configured with sax2.
[06:38] <bronson> Criminy.
[06:38] <LinuxJones> guptan, the nv drivers provide basic support for nvidia chipsets. The drivers from NVidia will give you 3D capabilities which you might want to have.
[06:38] <bronson> So, there's no way for me to install Ubuntu????
[06:38] <LinuxJones> guptan, have a look @ this >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:39] <Treenaks> bronson: there probably is, but I don't really know the installer
[06:39] <LinuxJones> guptan, follow the instructions to install the pre-compiled NVidia driver.
[06:39] <peacemaker885> sorry for this delayed reaction, but there's so much ado with the new 'theme' and I have not seen it personally. is there like a screenshot of it somewhere?
[06:39] <bronson> Treenaks: any idea where I'd go to find out?  Nothing on the wiki, faq or bugzilla.
[06:39] <Treenaks> bronson: here..
[06:39] <guptan> thanks LinuxJones 
[06:39] <bronson> Treenaks: here, irc?
[06:40] <Treenaks> yes
[06:40] <deFrysk> bronson, did you tell the partitioner what fs to use ?
[06:40] <LinuxJones> guptan, no problem. GL ;)
[06:40] <Treenaks> or ask on the mailing list
[06:40] <bronson> deFrysk: yep
[06:40] <guptan> LinuxJones: is it the same binary from nv site?
[06:40] <bronson> deFrysk: told it to "keep and use the existing data" on both partitions.
[06:40] <deFrysk> bronson, and formatted them ?
[06:40] <deFrysk> oic
[06:40] <bronson> The Ubuntu installer errors out when it tries to format them.
[06:41] <bronson> So I booted a Gentoo disk to format them.
[06:41] <bronson> Now that they're formatted and ready to go, I can't convince the Ubuntu installer to install on them.
[06:41] <deFrysk> you assigned an / ?
[06:41] <deFrysk> and a swap ?
[06:41] <sladen> bronson: can you describe your problem in more detail
[06:42] <bronson> Sure.
[06:42] <LinuxJones> guptan, it's the latest pre-compiled (by Ubuntu) driver from the driver latest driver release from Nvidia. It is very easy to install this way.
[06:42] <bronson> Booted Ubuntu installer.  Because it's a work computer, I can't touch partitions hda1 and hda4 (Windows and Recovery partitions)
[06:42] <guptan> LinuxJones: ok
[06:42] <sladen> bronson: ok
[06:43] <bronson> SORRY.  hda1 is windows, hda2 is recovery (but it's at the end of the disk).
[06:43] <bronson> So, hda3 is / and hda4 is logical containing hda5 swap and hda6 /home
[06:43] <guptan> LinuxJones: btw, can u give me a link to working Mplayer packages for ubuntu
[06:44] <bronson> Now, when I tried to format the partitions using the Ubuntu installer, it bails out with a really uninformative error.
[06:44] <bronson> So, no problem, right?  Just boot Gentoo, format the partitions, then finish Ubuntu.
[06:44] <bronson> Which I did.
[06:44] <LinuxJones> guptan, sure give me a sec
[06:45] <bronson> So, I'm back in Ubuntu with the partitions ready to go.  I tell it to use #3 as /, #5 as swap and #6 as home.
[06:45] <bronson> #3 and #6 are marked "keep and use existing data"
[06:45] <bronson> So it should be all ready to go.
[06:45] <Mitario> lo everyone
[06:45] <LinuxJones> guptan, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:46] <bronson> Now, when I say "finish partitioning", it asks "write these changes to disk?"
[06:46] <bronson> When I click "yes", I get the error message above.
[06:46] <dablitz> what is the line i would add to my fstab to mount my windows drive
[06:46] <bronson> When I click "no" it bumps me back to the partitioner.
[06:46] <Treenaks> dablitz: man fstab!
[06:46] <bronson> (error: "parted can't resize this yet")
[06:46] <LinuxJones> guptan, mplayer is in the ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat repository
[06:46] <bronson> But it shouldn't be resizing anything!!!  I told it to leave all the data alone.
[06:47] <Treenaks> bronson: what if you don't tell it anything about the windows/restore partitions?
[06:47] <bronson> So, how do I skip the partition step and tell it to install packages/
[06:47] <dablitz> thanks
[06:47] <Kamion> bronson: there's a bug somewhere in partman about that, yeah; it's been reported, and seems to be harmless to the data on those partitions
[06:47] <guptan> LinuxJones: I think I missed whole wiki
[06:47] <Kamion> bronson: #3 as / and "keep and use existing data" are logically inconsistent, by the way
[06:47] <Kamion> bronson: the partition you designate as / is going to get scribbled over big-time
[06:48] <LinuxJones> guptan, it is a very good read ;)
[06:48] <bronson> Kamion: right, but I just now formatted /.  It's empty.
[06:48] <Solkaris> greetings all
[06:48] <bronson> Ubuntu should scribble on it all it wants.
[06:48] <LinuxJones> hi Solkaris
[06:49] <Kamion> bronson: frankly easier to let the Ubuntu partitioner format it, but anyway.
[06:49] <bronson> Kamion: I tried!
[06:49] <Kamion> bronson: were the partitions cleanly unmounted? how were they formatted?
[06:49] <bronson> Kamion: it's buggy.
[06:49] <Kamion> 17:44 < bronson> Now, when I tried to format the partitions using the Ubuntu installer, it bails out with a really uninformative error.
[06:49] <Kamion> which error was that?
[06:49] <Kamion> sorry if you said it above and I missed it
[06:49] <bronson> Kamion: Yes, they were cleanly unmounted.  I formatted them using a Gentoo boot disk.
[06:50] <Kamion> IIRC somebody posted a workaround, let me go look
[06:50] <Kosai> bronson: You formatted /.?  That's like killing Kenny.
[06:50] <Kosai> Only infinitely more morally acceptible.
[06:50] <bronson> Kamion: iirc, it gives a red screen and says "partitioning failed"...  I'll reproduce it if you want more detail.
[06:50] <bronson> Kosai: no, I formatted hda3 which is destined to be /.  :)
[06:51] <Kamion> bronson: there may be more detail in /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/partman (note, the latter is insanely verbose)
[06:51] <Kamion> anyway, let me dig in my bug reports
[06:51] <LinuxJones> bronson, did you have any reiser v4 partitions ?
[06:51] <Kosai> bronson: But I can't make a dumb slashdot joke out of /dev/hda3.
[06:52] <Kamion> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1235
[06:52] <bronson> LinuxJones: nope.  ext3 all the way here.
[06:52] <guptan> How can I stop Ubuntu from checking my FAT32 partition for errors? Every time I write something to FAT32(which I used to share date between win and linux) from windows next time on reboot ubuntu stops showing disk error and I am forced to reformat FAT32 volume. Any workaround?
[06:53] <bronson> Kamion: ok, here's the error when I try to let Ubuntu format the partitions: "The ext3 file system creation in partition #3 of IDE1 master (hda) failed."
[06:53] <bronson> Kamion: I'll check the logs.
[06:53] <LinuxJones> guptan, edit the /etc/fstab and add 0 0 in the last 2 entries for your windows partition.
[06:53] <bronson> Err....  How can I read those?
[06:53] <Kamion> bronson: can you run 'parted /dev/discs/disc0/disc' on tty2, and run 'check 3' and 'check 6' in that?
[06:54] <Kamion> nano -v <file>
[06:54] <bronson> more is totally brain dead, and there's no less or vi...
[06:54] <bronson> Kamion: thanks
[06:54] <LinuxJones> guptan, they are set to check that disk partition, make them 0 0.
[06:54] <guptan> LinuxJones: okay, let me try that.
[06:55] <bronson> Kamion: "The ext2 filesystem passed a basic check.  For a more comprehensive check, use the e2fsck program."
[06:55] <LinuxJones> guptan, don't add 0 0 just change the existing values.
[06:55] <Kamion> also, 'e2fsck /dev/discs/disc0/part3' and the same for part6 may be helpful
[06:55] <bronson> Kamion: it better.  I just formatted it.  :)
[06:55] <guptan> LinuxJones: got it
[06:55] <bronson> Kamion: no, they're fine.
[06:56] <Kamion> bronson: there are rumours of filesystems created in FC2 having ext2 features set that parted doesn't understand; Gentoo may be the same
[06:56] <ninkendo> why would ubuntu set pass to nonzero on a fat partition anyway?
[06:56] <Kamion> ninkendo: it doesn't any more?
[06:56] <bronson> Kamion: the problem is not with the data in the partitions.
[06:56] <bronson> They mount just fine.
[06:56] <bronson> The problem is getting the Gentoo installer to use them.
[06:56] <Kamion> bronson: right, I know, but parted occasionally sucks
[06:57] <bronson> Kamion: you're telling me.  :)
[06:57] <Kamion> hey, I have to deal with the bug reports ;)
[06:57] <bronson> SO, the partitons are fine, the partition map is fine.
[06:57] <bronson> How do I install on them?
[06:57] <Kamion> I'm totally puzzled about why creating the partition from scratch failed, though
[06:57] <Kamion> let's see ...
[06:58] <bronson> Kamion: it's an oddball partition layout (where #2 is at the end of the disk) and something is choking on it.
[06:58] <Kamion> oh, I didn't see that bit
[06:58] <Kamion> hmmmmmmm
[06:59] <Kamion> it is in theory possible to bypass partman completely, but you have to know partman very well, and stuff later may fail
[06:59] <bronson> It's a bug somewhere in the Ubuntu installer that I worked around by partitioning and formatting in Gentoo.
[06:59] <bronson> No problem.  I'll run that risk.
[06:59] <Kamion> it'll be in parted
[06:59] <Telep> is there any sensible way to get GTK# on Ubuntu?
[06:59] <rapha> Hi all!
[06:59] <rapha> Telep: yes, install it :-)
[07:00] <rapha> Somebody's made packages for all things mono::
[07:00] <Telep> rapha: the gtk-sharp package doesn't seem to be available
[07:00] <rapha> (I'm sure Kamion remembers the repository URL, *ahem, cough cough*)
[07:00] <Kamion> bronson: so, the step that failed was "Checking the file system in <blah>", right?
[07:00] <Kamion> rapha: no idea actually :)
[07:00] <tseng> how about searching the mailing lists for mono
[07:00] <Telep> I've installed all the other Mono stuff
[07:01] <Telep> but gtk-sharp seems to be missing
[07:01] <tseng> its not missing, its libgtk-cil
[07:01] <rapha> Yeah, searching the mailing lists will do. 
[07:01] <Telep> well I have, but didn't figure that out... thanks tseng :)
[07:01] <bronson> Kamion: well, when?
[07:01] <bronson> When using the ubuntu installer to do the partition?
[07:02] <bronson> Or trying to get the installer to skip partitioning?
[07:02] <Kamion> bronson: when you tried to tell it just to mount those partitions and keep and use existing data
[07:02] <bronson> Let me try right now...
[07:03] <bronson> seems to be working now...???
[07:03] <Kamion> maybe the fsck jogged it into action
[07:03] <bronson> Nope.
[07:03] <Kamion> is it installing the base system happily, then?
[07:04] <bronson> "the attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in IDE1 mater, partition #3 () at / failed."
[07:04] <bronson> It's a different error this time.
[07:04] <bronson> Before it was complaining about being unable to resize the partition.
[07:04] <bronson> investigating...
[07:04] <Telep> tseng: but I still need something else to be able to develop gtk# apps, no?
[07:04] <tseng> such as?
[07:05] <tseng> thats a pretty open question
[07:05] <bronson> I think I have an idea what's going on...
[07:05] <bronson> Is this devfs or udev?
[07:05] <bronson> (inside /dev)
[07:06] <Kamion> devfs
[07:06] <Kamion> for somewhat historical reasons
[07:06] <Kamion> *mounting* it failed?
[07:06] <bronson> yep.  Ok, devfs has completely tanked my partition map.
[07:06] <Kamion> you don't already have it mounted, do you?
[07:06] <bronson> (I mean confused by it, not corrupting it)
[07:06] <Kamion> uh, that sounds like the wrong layer; could you explain?
[07:06] <Kamion> devfs is just what the kernel thinks of your partition map
[07:07] <Telep> tseng: well, a gtk-sharp developer package or something. When trying to compile a simple Hello World app all I get is "hello.cs(8) error CS0246: Cannot find type `Window'"
[07:07] <Kamion> /dev/discs/disc0/part1 is no different from /dev/hda1, really
[07:07] <bronson> Kamion: inside /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0, I have "disc" and "part1"
[07:07] <bronson> cfdisk on "disc" works fine.
[07:07] <bronson> Shows all partitions correctly.
[07:07] <bronson> But, I assume, I should have part2-6 in here too...
[07:07] <bronson> They're missing.
[07:08] <Kamion> bronson: then the kernel is confused by your partition map, not devfs)
[07:08] <Telep> tseng: And as far as I've understood, I think I need a package called "gtk-sharp", which isn't available in the same repository as the rest of the Mono stuff.
[07:08] <bronson> Kamion: no, devfs is confused by the partition map.
[07:08] <Kamion> devfs is what the kernel sees
[07:08] <Kamion> it's part of the kernel
[07:08] <bronson> It's a particularly broken and obsolete portion of the kernel.
[07:08] <georgia> anyone know where i can get a ppc java that will work in ubuntu for running things like azureus and buttress?
[07:09] <Kamion> sure, but in this case I don't believe that it's possible for its idea to differ
[07:09] <bronson> Bet you anything that if I mknod the proper device files, things will work fine.
[07:09] <rapha> Hmm
[07:09] <bronson> Or, at least, fix devfs's breakage...
[07:09] <Kamion> if you watch the installer startup very carefully, you should see it listing the partitions on each device
[07:10] <rapha> A friend is just trying to install Ubuntu on his notebook. He boots from CD, presses Enter, then "something loads" and then "my screen goes black and stays black". What should he do?
[07:10] <Kamion> may have to use ctrl-s to pause it (ctrl-q to restart)
[07:10] <bronson> I don't see anything about it in dmesg.
[07:10] <bronson> Guess I'll have to reboot.
[07:11] <ezahn> hi all!
[07:11] <Kamion> Oct  9 23:51:21 cairhien kernel:  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac]  p1 p2
[07:11] <Kamion> p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 p12 p13 p14 p15 p16 p17
[07:11] <Kamion> for example
[07:11] <ezahn> i installed ubuntu in a compaq laptop
[07:12] <Kamion> think it looks a bit different on i386
[07:12] <ezahn> and while booting it displays some errors
[07:12] <rapha> Does isolinux let you edit the kernel command line? (Does the Ubuntu installer work without framebuffer?)
[07:12] <ezahn> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[07:12] <ezahn> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[07:12] <Treenaks>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4
[07:12] <Kamion> rapha: you can stick arbitrary parameters after "linux"
[07:12] <ezahn> aby ideas? tnx!
[07:12] <Kamion> rapha: "linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false"
[07:13] <rapha> Aaah okay
[07:13] <Kamion> rapha: should be documented in one of the help screens off the function keys
[07:13] <rapha> That easily
[07:13] <rapha> Thanks Kamion
[07:13] <ezahn> this morning i had problems with ethernet: thanks to your support now i'm fine and connected!
[07:13] <Kamion> rapha: not-entirely-ASCII languages will look a bit crap, but ...
[07:14] <bronson> Kamion: I can't do it.
[07:14] <rapha> Kamion: Well, German...
[07:14] <bronson> It goes by too quick for me to ctl-S it, and by the time I can run dmesg, all the autodetection has pushed the first boot messages out of the ring buffer.
[07:14] <Kamion> rapha: umlauted letters and the scharfes-s may be corrupted
[07:15] <rapha> Kamion: I don't think that'll be a show-stopper.
[07:15] <Kamion> hang on, let me burn a CD here
[07:15] <rapha> (Wondering why though, I never had a problem with that on the console)
[07:15] <Kamion> rapha: most graphics cards are fine, I think one or two aren't
[07:16] <rapha> Kamion: Well, doesn't seem to be the problem for him: he's still getting a black screen
[07:16] <topyli> there are almost no languages except english that can do with ascii. incidentally :)
[07:17] <rapha> :-)
[07:18] <Kamion> topyli: not many; Indonesian's the one that springs to mind
[07:19] <Treenaks> dutch, 99%
[07:19] <topyli> rapha, Kamion: utf will save the world. all the world's children, use utf-8!
[07:19] <Kamion> topyli: hence why we'll be moving to it by default eventually
[07:20] <topyli> very cool
[07:20] <jordi> hopeflly Hoary is utf-8 by default
[07:20] <Kamion> topyli: there are still Han unification problems in China/Japan languages, though
[07:20] <Kamion> er, s/ languages//
[07:20] <rapha> topyli: A friend of mine has a different opinion: "This crappy UTF-8-shit, can't stand it".
[07:20] <rapha> Lucky me I'm not my friend.
[07:20] <bronson> OK, something about Ubuntu's kernel is broken.  I installed Gentoo on this exact setup last week, and Debian a few months ago.
[07:20] <bronson> But I can't figure it out.
[07:20] <jordi> rapha: he probably mixes non-UTF-8 and utf-8 environments :)
[07:20] <bronson> Guess I'll have to go back to Gentoo.
[07:20] <topyli> rapha: i could do with latin-1 or latin-9 but that's just plain selfish
[07:21] <rapha> Hm-mm
[07:21] <topyli> and mail and news is still a problem
[07:21] <bronson> Kamion: thanks for the help.  I'll check back when Ubuntu ditches devfs.
[07:21] <topyli> and samba/win98 :)
[07:22] <jordi> topyli: just being able to read your hebrew and chinese spam correctly pays
[07:22] <jordi> Vietnamese characters are cool
[07:22] <topyli> jordi: i hate when my spam is illegible!
[07:22] <Kamion> bronson: I *really* doubt that's the problem; it'll be the kernel's disklabel-handling code if anything.
[07:22] <Kamion> bronson: but that's well out of my field of expertise, sadly
[07:22] <rapha> Well, they're mostly like German ones, just more accents and stuff
[07:22] <rapha> Old-style-vietnamese is more like Chinese though
[07:23] <rapha> But not used anymore except in calligraphy
[07:23] <topyli> i need food. going to make an excursion in the depths of The Fridge
[07:23] <rapha> Heheh
[07:23] <bronson> Kamion: that may be true.  Somewhere the Ubuntu kernel is failing where Gentoo and Debian don't.  Beyond that I can't say myself.
[07:23] <Kamion> topyli: (basically, the Simplified-Chinese/Traditional-Chinese/Japanese characters with approximately similar meanings and etymology got glommed together into one Unicode glyph each, which apparently isn't always quite accurate)
[07:24] <__randy__> bronson, what is it doing?
[07:24] <rapha> Kamion: is there anything my friend can do about the black screen he gets from the installer, even with framebuffer disabled?
[07:25] <topyli> Kamion: hmm. i'm quite confident that technology (ie computers being american and not able to show sane characters) is the main reason why bad english is the official language of the internet :)
[07:25] <Kamion> rapha: try the various vga= options, maybe; I have a laptop that needs vga=771 for the screen not to overflow at the bottom
[07:25] <bronson> __randy__: it gets confused about my partition map.  There's quit a bit of discussion in the logs.
[07:25] <rapha> Kamion: Okay
[07:25] <rapha> Will take some time now, he's gone to his driving lesson
[07:25] <bronson> What about bootstrapping Ubuntu with Knoppix?  I remember that worked for Debian when their installer was having issues...
[07:26] <Kamion> bronson: you could certainly try using the install-via-chroot technique
[07:26] <jordi> seb128: btw, I installed RC today, and saw a few English items in the Computer menu. :|
[07:26] <jordi> How can I send updates for those?
[07:26] <topyli> smoke, then eat. wish me luck :)
[07:27] <Kamion> bronson: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html, although the conversion of that documentation from Debian to Ubuntu is raw and pretty untested
[07:27] <seb128> jordi: #941
[07:27] <seb128> jordi: you have the list of strings to translate here
[07:28] <mteira> I'd like to comment a problem with you.
[07:28] <mteira> Ubuntu related, of course.
[07:28] <jordi> I really can't get used to the stylesheet in the ubuntu webpages
[07:28] <rapha> What's so bad about it jordi?
[07:28] <mteira> It seems some problem with dhal, but a lot of apps say that hald is not working.
[07:28] <mteira> It's running, anyway.
[07:29] <jordi> damn shity
[07:29] <jordi> The Catalan patch in #941 is fucked
[07:29] <mteira> When I insert a CD, Nautilus doesn't launch a new window.
[07:29] <mteira> The device manager also complains about being not able to talk with hald.
[07:29] <mteira> dhal
[07:30] <mteira> I mean hald.
[07:30] <mteira> Any idea?
[07:30] <mteira> Of what is happening?
[07:32] <mteira> ps says that hald is in state Ds
[07:34] <LinuxJones> mteira, that means the process has been locked by the kernel. It might clear itself after a few mins.
[07:34] <georgia> anyone know where i can get a ppc java that will work in ubuntu for running things like azureus and buttress?
[07:34] <mteira> LinuxJones: It happens all the time.
[07:35] <LinuxJones> mteira, this a new install ?
[07:35] <mteira> LinuxJones: No. But I've updated it everyday.
[07:35] <mteira> LinuxJones: I have two machines running ubuntu, the two are updated.
[07:36] <mteira> LinuxJones: I'm suffering this behaviour only in one of them.
[07:36] <mteira> LinuxJones: With a -k7 kernel.
[07:36] <topyli> ahhh... found potatoes, meat sauce and bushmills whiskey. my lady rocks!
[07:37] <mteira> The machine is neither able to power down automatically.
[07:37] <LinuxJones> mteira,  if the problem persists you could try the 386 kernel to see if the problem goes away. 
[07:37] <mteira> LinuxJones: I'm goint to do that just now.
[07:38] <jordi> seb128: how do you translate Network place in French?
[07:38] <jordi> or Computer place?
[07:38] <mteira> Another strange problem.
[07:38] <jordi> Should it be quoted?
[07:39] <mteira> When i restart the machine, without power down it, grub stages lasts ages to pass.
[07:39] <jordi> Ie "Vs al lloc "Ordinador"?
[07:39] <seb128> jordi: "Poste de travail"
[07:41] <tola> hi, I posted on the ubuntu-users list "System rendered unbootable!" and I need some help. This could be an Ubuntu bug, but I want to check it's not me first.
[07:42] <tola> After installing Ubuntu I get "GRUB Hard Disk Error" and the machine won't boot
[07:42] <tola> I let Ubuntu partition the hard disk itself
[07:43] <mteira> LinuxJones: It happened also with the 386 kernel.
[07:43] <mteira> LinuxJones: It was after pluggin in a USB scanner.
[07:43] <guptan> Anybody experiencing slowness in ubuntu mirrors(EU)?
[07:44] <mteira> LinuxJones: I fired xsane, that is now in 'D' state, and so is hald and [khubd] 
[07:44] <LinuxJones> mteira, you have some wonky hardware issues with your box. Can you re-start /etc/init.d/hotplug ?
[07:44] <jordi> seb128: not too useful, but anyway
[07:44] <jordi> update sent
[07:44] <jordi> gotta raelly go now
[07:45] <mteira> LinuxJones: Humm, now with the 'D' processes, don't think it will be useful.
[07:45] <mteira> LinuxJones: But I can try
[07:45] <LinuxJones> mteira, ya probably. Can you try moving your scanner to the other machine ?
[07:46] <theantix> tola: do you have two+ hard disks in your machine?
[07:46] <mteira>  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart hungs on :
[07:46] <dmzen> i'm having trouble getting openoffice to recognize any of my address books as datasources
[07:46] <mteira>  * Running usb.rc...
[07:46] <tola> theantix: no, just one plugged in
[07:46] <mteira> LinuxJones: This also happens if I start the machine with the scanner plugged in.
[07:46] <mteira> LinuxJones: I'm going to try that.
[07:47] <theantix> tola: is your hard disk connected to the primary ide?
[07:47] <daniels> mteira: does your system hang for ages if you start with the scanner plugged in?
[07:47] <daniels> mteira: if so, then you've hit https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1923
[07:48] <mteira> daniels: Yes.
[07:48] <dmzen> i've tried the installed evolution, thunderbird, and mozilla
[07:48] <tola> theantix: yes
[07:49] <mteira> Well, on this other machine, xsane is also stopped.
[07:49] <mteira> But not in 'D' state.
[07:49] <mteira> Neither hald.
[07:49] <mteira> But, anyway, I was not able to use it.
[07:50] <tola> theantix: any other ideas? :S
[07:50] <mteira> I'm also able to do a cat /proc/bus/usb/devices on this machine.
[07:50] <mteira> But xsane refuses to work.
[07:50] <theantix> tola: my google investigation suggests that it might be a problem with a buggy BIOS -- perhaps you could flash that somehow?
[07:51] <mteira> Anyway the scanner doesn't produces the same problem.
[07:51] <mteira> Oh, I remember.
[07:51] <tola> theantix: could this be the case if lilo coped fine with booting a Knoppix hdd installation? I've not had problems before.
[07:51] <mteira> xsane gets in that state because I have configured the net backend.
[07:51] <mteira> So, it's trying to connect to the sane server on the ill machine.
[07:52] <theantix> tola: another suggestion is to make sure "virus protection" is turned off in the bios (to allow writing to the mbr)
[07:52] <mteira> But it's working here.
[07:52] <theantix> tola: if you check google for that error message, there are dozens of people who report lilo working and grub giving that error message
[07:53] <tola> theantix: oh right, I'll have a look. Thanks.
[07:53] <adamsjw2> Hi all, may I ask a sound related question here?
[07:53] <Tomcat_> If it's Ubuntu sound related, then yes.
[07:54] <mteira> The working computer has a uhci_hcd module loaded, the bad one, the ohci_hcd.
[07:54] <adamsjw2> Yes it us ubuntu related and thanks.
[07:54] <mikeX> hello, where can i find more packages for ubuntu [than the ones in the cdrom] ?
[07:54] <tola> hmm, someone in #ubuntu suggests my problem could be a buggy bios
[07:54] <sabdfl> mikeX: there are tons online
[07:55] <sabdfl> if your ubuntu computer has networking configured, then you should just be able to use synaptic or aptitude and install more
[07:55] <mteira> When it starts, it says something like: ohci_hcd 0000:00:07.4: AMD756 erratum 4 workaround
[07:55] <punkass__> mikeX: turn on the repositories in sytaptic
[07:55] <adamsjw2> I just installed and the system sound was detected at install. The login sound played. However when I tried to listen to an internet radio station with Rhythmbox, it caused the sound to no longer work.
[07:55] <punkass__> synaptic*
[07:57] <mteira> I've read looking for this problem, that perhaps pci=noacpi acpi=noirq could help.
[07:57] <mteira> I'm going to try
[07:58] <mikeX> sabdfl, ok, but where? i added the german mirror to my sources.list but got nothing more
[07:58] <mikeX> punkass, oh, ic, will do
[07:59] <adamsjw2> Sorry, got kicked. Any replies about my sound problem while I was away? If so please resend.Thx
[07:59] <mikeX> sabdfl, sorry, i missed punkass__'s message
[07:59] <bronson> OK, installing from knoppix ain't too bad...  so far.
[07:59] <bronson> Should I write this up on the wiki or somewhere?
[08:01] <mteira> Humm, this time it started with the scanner plugged in.
[08:02] <dmzen> Hi everybody, i posted earlier. problem registering my email addressbooks as datasources in openoffice. I think it's ubuntu-related.
[08:02] <dmzen> Could it be a file-permission problem related to ubunt's lack of root?
[08:11] <dablitz> i am really having a hard time. can i ge some help mounting a drive
[08:12] <dablitz> its a windows drive. and i cannot seem to get it to mount. is there something in the fstab that i need to put that i do not have there
[08:13] <punkass__> adansjw2: try running: gstreamer-properties
[08:13] <punkass__> adamsjw2: see above and then chage Output to Alsa
[08:14] <dmzen> dablitz: is there a line for your windows drive in your fstab file
[08:14] <dablitz> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults         1      2
[08:15] <punkass__> dablitz: do you have the ntfs package installed?
[08:15] <dablitz> i don't know
[08:16] <werewolf> Hi, I've problem compiling mplayer on powerpc, now I'm recompiling, so i lost the errors. Before getting crazy there is anyone who succesfully compiled MPlayer with ubuntu/ppc?
[08:16] <punkass__> dablitz: i believe ubuntu has a ntfs package...search for ntfs in synatpic
[08:16] <dablitz> ok thanks
[08:17] <georgia> werewolf: havent tried, want me to give it a shot?
[08:19] <werewolf> georgia: yes, thanks
[08:20] <georgia> 1.0 pre5?
[08:20] <georgia> or a daily snapshot?
[08:20] <werewolf> georgia: I tried both 1.0 pre5 and CVS
[08:20] <georgia> ok, trying 1.0 pre5
[08:21] <werewolf> georgia: thanks
[08:24] <georgia> well, configure went ok, make is running now
[08:30] <lobo_nz> I just updated ubuntu using dselect and now gnome dosn't seem to start and is stuck on the naked people loading screen - X is running and my mouse still works, where should I look to find out whats wrong?
[08:31] <georgia> werewolf: still running make here, i'm going afk for a couple of minutes, if you want to hang around (be 5 mins at most)
[08:31] <topyli> lobo_nz: create a new user and see if they can log in. it could be gnome-session trouble or something. (just guessing)
[08:31] <lobo_nz> ok, thanks
[08:31] <werewolf> georgia: I'm commpiling too, now with gcc-3.4
[08:31] <aardvark> just got ubuntu installed and must say it looks purrty
[08:31] <aardvark> had a bad iso burnt image
[08:32] <aardvark> the darn install kept on getting stuck on vim-common
[08:32] <aardvark> could not get further
[08:32] <aardvark> alas being debian
[08:32] <aardvark> I started over with custom install
[08:32] <aardvark> did base server install, worked fine
[08:33] <aardvark> then just added xfree86 and gnome
[08:33] <aardvark> BAM! got a desktop install !
[08:33] <aardvark> I am thinking aloud here!
[08:33] <topyli> aardvark: there's also a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop :)
[08:34] <aardvark> hahaha topyli thanks
[08:34] <topyli> too late i guess =)
[08:34] <aardvark> ;-) live and learn
[08:34] <werewolf> topyli: ye, but i think that ubunu-artwork are very ugly...
[08:34] <aardvark> the nekkid people kinda shocked me!
[08:34] <aardvark> hehe
[08:35] <topyli> werewolf: i must disagree. i hate the blue plastic metal machine look that everybody has. this is earthly
[08:35] <aardvark> I thought the default was a blue theme ?
[08:35] <topyli> no. it's brownish
[08:35] <aardvark> its earthy alright
[08:36] <georgia> werewolf: didnt build cleanly here for me, build errors on yuv2rgb.c
[08:36] <werewolf> georgia: me too for the pre5
[08:36] <Pizbit> |trey|: The playlist style of amaroK is like what you want I think.
[08:37] <georgia> might be better finding a .deb and installing from that
[08:37] <|trey|> Pizbit: But KDE isn't supported  :/
[08:37] <daniels> kde isn't supported, but it does work.
[08:37] <werewolf> georgia: I got an error (lost ): with CVS+gcc-3.3, now, I'm trying pre5+gcc-3.4
[08:37] <|trey|> Maybe Novell Linux Desktop will have it?
[08:38] <|trey|> daniels: hasn't even occured to me to try  :/
[08:38] <Pizbit> |trey|: All ya need is some libs.
[08:38] <georgia> okies, i found packages for 1.0pre5 if you want the url
[08:38] <daniels> |trey|: once you apt-get install it, it works OK
[08:38] <|trey|> Why have 2 desktops?
[08:38] <daniels> |trey|: a fair few people in here have done it
[08:38] <|trey|> One user... this is my usual default  :/
[08:39] <aardvark> |trey|, good question
[08:39] <daniels> |trey|: we modify and support GNOME to be compliant with our look and feel.  but some people like KDE as well, so as a reflection of that, it's possible to install and use it through 'universe'.
[08:39] <topyli> |trey|: you don't have 2 desktops. just a (big) bunch of libs. i installed k3b and suffered the download, all is fine
[08:39] <daniels> while it's unsupported, we don't want to completely leave KDE users out in the cold; especially (as topyli just mentioned) people who still use single apps like K3b or such
[08:40] <werewolf> georgia: .deb for ubuntu/ppc?
[08:40] <|trey|> hmm, calc is in here a lot... if he's using Ubuntu, he might be willing to accept patches etc...
[08:40] <georgia> it's a ppc .deb, not specific for ubuntu though
[08:41] <Livewire> what (important things) has changed from the preview to Ubuntu RC ?
[08:41] <georgia> they're here if you want them http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/
[08:41] <daniels> Livewire: many bugs were squashed and subtle improvements made
[08:41] <daniels> Livewire: lots of little tweaks
[08:42] <topyli> Livewire: nudity! outrage! religious wars!
[08:42] <Livewire> :0
[08:42] <werewolf> georgia: I know that site
[08:42] <Livewire> ive got a fast conn, i could download the iso rather than do a webupdate.. but is it worth doing that? has enough changed
[08:43] <Livewire> i assume i can add the newer cd as an update source into synaptic
[08:43] <lobo_nz> topyli: Made a new user and that got me further, I now have a GConf error about no databases to save my configuration - and another error about the gnome-panel attempting to change something that my system vendor does not allow
[08:43] <werewolf> Livewire: try the daily snapshot
[08:43] <topyli> lobo_nz: hmm. when did you last update before this?
[08:44] <lobo_nz> topyli: first time it was an iso from a week or so ago
[08:45] <topyli> lobo_nz: i'm pretty sure it's gconf or gnome-session daemon
[08:45] <topyli> kill them, purge /tmp and do all sorts of desperate stuff :)
[08:45] <|trey|> lobo_nz: what did you do to make it say that?
[08:46] <werewolf> georgia: damn! gcc-3.4 && pre5 doesn't work
[08:46] <lobo_nz> topyli: I have a right click menu on the desktop but no menus, I'll try your suggestions or as I have not configured anything yet use the latest iso, thanks
[08:46] <topyli> lobo_nz: be warned that i don't know what i'm talking about
[08:46] <gnii> just wanted to state an opinion.. 
[08:46] <georgia> try the .debs then werewolf
[08:46] <lobo_nz> |trey|: installed it from an older iso then updated it
[08:46] <gnii> I LOVE ubuntu.. but that splash screen needs to go .. it is so cheesy it is untrue
[08:47] <|trey|> lobo_nz: just burn a copy of the RC right quick  :/
[08:47] <werewolf> georgia: already tryed when I installed debian, but doesn't work well, some .avi are payed very ugly
[08:47] <topyli> gnii: make it go then :)
[08:47] <werewolf> played
[08:47] <georgia> tried vlc?
[08:47] <Livewire> gnii - u mean the login ? i like it myself
[08:47] <lobo_nz> |trey|: Done, thanks
[08:47] <gnii> topyli: Thats exactly what I'm trying to do by voicing my opinion here
[08:48] <Livewire> the only visual gripe i have, is the lack of extra wall papers
[08:48] <gnii> Livewire: It's well executed and well meaning but it's really cheesy
[08:48] <topyli> gnii: yes. but first, you can change it on your box. who uses defaults anyway?
[08:48] <gnii> Livewire: If I wanted a beneton computer I'd stick a jumper on it
[08:48] <Livewire> eh?
[08:48] <|trey|> Such simularaties...
[08:48] <topyli> gnii: except i have the defaults, waiting for the final release and then see what the defaults will be :)
[08:49] <Livewire> btw any good sites to get wallpapers off?
[08:49] <|trey|> Even with Xandros, Linspire etc... all want good corporate Debian.
[08:49] <gnii> toplyi: the feedback is to suggest that it *maybe* shouldn't be the default 
[08:49] <topyli> Livewire: gnome-look.org
[08:49] <Livewire> thanks
[08:49] <topyli> gnii: sure, and the mailing list has a BIG debate going on as well.
[08:50] <werewolf> georgia: apt-getting
[08:50] <gnii> Livewire: The point is that it will date very, very quickly and it has the subtlety of a mallet to the head
[08:50] <gnii> toplyi: would that be a better place to voice an opinion then?
[08:50] <Mikelevel> hi
[08:50] <georgia> i quite like vlc and find it plays some avi files better than mplayer, definitely worth a shot anyway werewolf
[08:50] <Mikelevel> any spanish user?
[08:51] <gnii> toplyi: if so I apologies for noting it here
[08:51] <Livewire> gnii: what will date quickly? a login screen is a login screen
[08:51] <josejavier> Mikelevel, prueba en ubuntu-es
[08:51] <topyli> gnii: dunno, it's gone pretty chaotic. in here, everybody's pretty tired of it. i guess the message is through and people are thinking
[08:51] <|trey|> I didn't really like kvlc... didn't appear to play w32codecs  :/
[08:51] <gnii> Livewire: marketing messages aren't login screens
[08:51] <aardvark> vlc is a good allround codec multiplayer
[08:52] <Livewire> gnii: i dont know what you are on about to be honest
[08:52] <gnii> Livewire: then marketing doesn't work on you .. you're an exception
[08:52] <Livewire> gnii: marketing is good anyway .. i'd rather people used Ubuntu than M$
[08:52] <gnii> Livewire: You see a pretty picture, if thats the majority view then I'm the one in the minority
[08:53] <georgia> i see a pretty picture of pretty people looking pretty cosy
[08:53] <|trey|> aardvark: pretty much anything is better then gstreamer right now... -ffmpeg should be better, Marillat's ffmpeg package has more codecs though... they should be there... in Universe...
[08:53] <Livewire> gnii: each to there own.. its only a login screen though, its not going to destroy your life
[08:53] <gnii> Livewire: I see a cheesy bunch of naked people on my screen when I boot up.. I like ubuntu but this aspect jars with my aesthetics. If it becomes the 'point' that everyone talks about and misses how great an operating system it is then it would be a real shame.
[08:53] <Livewire> :P
[08:54] <daniels> |trey|: we cannot legally redistribute them -- they are covered by thousands of patents, and we would get sued the moment we even thought about them.
[08:54] <daniels> |trey|: same reason why neither ubuntu nor fedora ships mp3 support.
[08:54] <gnii> Livewire: So feedback is unwanted do you think
[08:54] <daniels> |trey|: (or DVD -- same thing)
[08:54] <jimi> hi
[08:54] <|trey|> daniels: "we're not supporting that" doesn't cover it?  :(
[08:54] <jimi> agh why the fatal kernel install error is not fixed with RC ?? :/
[08:55] <topyli> gnii: you are just plain late. all is said already :)
[08:55] <daniels> |trey|: we cannot support it due to legal issues; it's not that we want to have as little as possible working out of the box.
[08:55] <gnii> gnii: Oh sorry I didn't see the 'feedback over' sign
[08:55] <topyli> ok, rant on
[08:55] <|trey|> daniels: make the script go to another repo?
[08:55] <daniels> jimi: which 'fatal install error'?
[08:55] <daniels> |trey|: er, that's still a massive legal minefield.
[08:56] <|trey|> If its not on Ubuntu's servers, Ubuntu isn't distributing it?
[08:56] <topyli> |trey|: good question
[08:56] <|trey|> If its bad, remove script.
[08:56] <jimi> daniels : when install get an IP (dhcp) in the install process (otherway it does not happen), ubuntu installer cannot install kernel :
[08:56] <daniels> no, but if we're distributing a script whose sole purpose is to get these codecs and do nothing else (let alone with our installer ...), then that's still no good.
[08:56] <jimi> apt error is about "linux-386" package
[08:56] <jimi> unmet dependancies
[08:56] <daniels> jimi: what's the specific error?
[08:57] <daniels> hm, not seen that.  which CD are you using, the RC?
[08:57] <jimi> yes
[08:57] <|trey|> daniels: but you don't support using the script  :(
[08:57] <daniels> we'd need the exact error to debug any further, I'm afraid.
[08:57] <daniels> |trey|: of course not -- we can't.
[08:57] <jimi> i saw the bug already open on bugzilla
[08:57] <daniels> jimi: hold on a sec
[08:57] <|trey|> and you don't support universe?
[08:57] <jimi> i have the whole debug logs
[08:57] <topyli> daniels: is this different from debian msttcorefonts, flash, real installers?
[08:57] <|trey|> multiverse would appear to make more sense  :/
[08:58] <gnii> topyli: my other question was about noapic, is it something strange about my set that would cause me to have to change grub to boot up?
[08:58] <daniels> topyli: yes, because they merely have a licence which states that we can't redistribute it; we're not violating anyone's patents by having people downloda it.
[08:58] <tiagobugarin> how can i get the kernel sources for ubuntu? (universe is on)
[08:58] <daniels> topyli: you must download this from our website != you must not use this
[08:59] <daniels> |trey|: universe is unsupported
[08:59] <topyli> gnii: it should Just Work. or there's a bug
[08:59] <gnii> I had to edit grub to add 'noapic'
[08:59] <|trey|> daniels: exactly  :/ 
[08:59] <daniels> |trey|: multiverse is for stuff that is unsupported and non-free, but if we can't distribute it due to legal issues, we can't distribute it.  'but it's in multiverse' won't hold up in court when the dvd consortium comes after us.
[08:59] <topyli> daniels: ok. mp3 is not real (pun accidental)
[09:00] <|trey|> daniels: if its not on Ubuntu's servers, your not distributing it  :/
[09:00] <jimi> hum
[09:00] <topyli> daniels: we need something like plf is doing for mandrake
[09:00] <daniels> |trey|: yes, but if we're distributing a script to download it, then we are saying to people -- 'here, use this tool that we created to violate someone else's patents'
[09:00] <|trey|> You're distributing a script that gets it from someplace else  :/
[09:00] <daniels> |trey|: yes, and its sole purpose in life is to violate patents
[09:01] <jimi> i thought it was bug #1419, but it looks different, because mine was during install process (only with network ON)
[09:01] <daniels> |trey|: that is no defence
[09:01] <|trey|> Debian did it with Flash... thats pretty non-free  :/
[09:01] <daniels> |trey|: as I said -- flash is merely 'you must download this from our website'
[09:01] <|trey|> Java says the same thing  :/
[09:01] <gnii> toplyi: I got "io-apic timer doesn't work" and the message to add "noapic" to the kernel
[09:01] <daniels> |trey|: support for various reverse-engineered codecs is generally akin to 'you may not use this'
[09:01] <|trey|> You have to agree to a license  :/
[09:01] <topyli> |trey|: non-free is not the problem. "illegal" is different
[09:02] <daniels> |trey|: you have to agree to a licence to use Linux -- the GPL/BSD/MIT/etc
[09:02] <daniels> |trey|: macromedia are stating that Flash must be downloaded by them, and by providing the script, we are respecting their wishes
[09:02] <daniels> s/by them/from their website/
[09:02] <|trey|> Java wants each user to sign it  :/
[09:02] <tiagobugarin> how can i get the kernel sources for ubuntu? (universe is on)
[09:02] <gnii> also a final general question.. If I've installed 386 ubuntu.. is there a way of migrating over to AMD64 ubuntu instead of just installing over evertythin
[09:02] <gnii> tiagobugrain
[09:02] <vrln> tiagobugarin: apt-cache searc linux-source
[09:03] <vrln> search*
[09:03] <daniels> by having a script to download reverse-engineered codecs or whatever, you are not respecting their wishes -- you're going totally contrary to them.  and that will get us into major legal trouble.
[09:03] <topyli> gnii: no
[09:03] <tiagobugarin> vrln: thanks
[09:03] <daniels> |trey|: it's no different from any other licence, really
[09:03] <|trey|> Java + Flash + Codecs = all I use that is not Open, but they are needed imo  :(
[09:03] <jimi> so, do i have to fill a bug report?
[09:03] <gnii> toplyi: figured.. thanks anyway
[09:04] <topyli> daniels: right. copyleft is copyright, and a license is a license is a license. except some licenses are better than others :)
[09:04] <gnii> and finally... the nvidia module didn't load automatically on install.. I had to add by hand
[09:04] <gnii> is it worth adding this as a bug?
[09:04] <jimi> i am talking about install process failing :o
[09:04] <ryang> hehe
[09:05] <ryang> I installed ubuntu from some cd the other day and I couldn't log in as root
[09:05] <vrln> ryang: there is no root
[09:05] <jimi> root login is disabled
[09:05] <|trey|> Need: Pr0n, Music, Yahoo Games, Flash for Games
[09:05] <ryang> oh?
[09:05] <ryang> why?
[09:05] <vrln> ubuntu uses sudo
[09:05] <ryang> want us to use sudo?
[09:05] <ryang> oh, ok
[09:05] <jimi> there is a root terminal though
[09:05] <|trey|> ryang: sudo -s  8)
[09:05] <ryang> what's the default pass?
[09:06] <topyli> ryang: your password with sudo
[09:06] <ryang> I know about sudo, but I usually keep a root terminal open in screen
[09:06] <vrln> ryang: the password to use sudo is your user accounts password
[09:06] <daniels> |trey|: it's this simple: we cannot distribute codecs, full stop.  it's illegal to distribute them, or to have a script to redistribute them, or whatever.  the current arrangement with distribution via a french site is the easiest you're going to get while we're going to get sued for including them, and there's nothing we can do about it.
[09:06] <ryang> nono, i know sudo
[09:06] <ondrej> hi all
[09:06] <topyli> ryang: then in that terminal, do sudo -s and you're root
[09:06] <gnii> I've noticed a comment about the nvidia-glx driver needs loading manually in the mailing list
[09:06] <ryang> k
[09:07] <topyli> ryang: i have no idea why you'd want to do that though :)
[09:07] <daniels> gnii: yes, ideally the X driver would load the kernel if required, as with pretty much every other, but unfortunately we can't exactly patch it to do so.
[09:07] <ondrej> I just wanted to announce, that I finally plugged archive.ubuntu.CZ into network and just doing sync before I add it to wiki
[09:07] <ryang> erm, n/m :P
[09:07] <ryang> dun mind me
[09:08] <ryang> i usually do a su -
[09:08] <werewolf> georgia: I dislike vcl, ism't gtk2 and have the same problem of mplayer precompiled
[09:08] <georgia> could it be the actual avi files you're having a problem with, rather than the media player?
[09:08] <|trey|> daniels: you use gtk-qt?
[09:08] <gnii> daniels: I won't admit to understanding what the problem is but is it something to do with the nvidia binaries being closed?
[09:08] <jayeola> is there a method to 'untar' rar files?
[09:08] <ryang> jayeola: unrar?
[09:08] <daniels> |trey|: i don't use any qt apps right now
[09:09] <LinuxJones> jayeola, you need unrar from a debian repo
[09:09] <daniels> |trey|: but even when I did (psi, for jabber), no
[09:09] <|trey|> daniels: you were saying I should  :/
[09:09] <daniels> gnii: hole in one
[09:09] <daniels> |trey|: er, not really
[09:09] <|trey|> daniels: thats the way it came over  :/
[09:09] <daniels> |trey|: when? where? what?
[09:10] <jayeola> thanks LinuxJones 
[09:10] <LinuxJones> ;)
[09:10] <gnii> cheer daniels...  
[09:10] <daniels> gnii: no worries
[09:12] <|trey|> daniels: saying about it being in universe  :/  sounded like you wanted me to install it  :/
[09:12] <daniels> |trey|: er, no
[09:12] <daniels> |trey|: i don't recall having ever mentioned gtk-qt, in any case
 |trey|: we modify and support GNOME to be compliant with our look and feel.  but some people like KDE as well, so as a reflection of that, it's possible to install and use it through 'universe'.
[09:13] <dmzen> could i submit a general usability comment-question?
[09:13] <|trey|> Sounded like you wanted me to  :/
[09:14] <|trey|> Cuz I was saying I didn't want it  :/
[09:14] <Pizbit> |trey|: English not your first language?
[09:14] <|trey|> Pizbit: English from England.
[09:15] <dablitz> can someone help me please with my fstab, I am still rather new to linux and would really like to mount this drive
[09:17] <dablitz> i get an error saying that only root can mount the drive or /mnt/windows is busy
[09:17] <werewolf> yeah! mplayer CVS+gcc-3.4 compiled!
[09:18] <sap> dablitz: man fstab
[09:18] <jayeola>  dablitz are u using this drive right now?
[09:18] <jayeola> if you are then it -will- be busy
[09:18] <sap> dablitz: search for "user"
[09:18] <dablitz> there is a lot of information on that drive i would like to burn off then format it to a linux file system
[09:19] <sap> dablitz: can you mount it using mount?
[09:19] <dablitz> no
[09:19] <jayeola> is it a seperate dive, like an external one or a partition, u need to be a bit clearer
[09:19] <jayeola> dablitz: mount -l 
[09:19] <sap> dablitz: give us the command you are using
[09:20] <dablitz> it is a seperate 60 gig drive on the slave of primary ide
[09:20] <jayeola> dablitz: mount -l 
[09:20] <dablitz> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[09:20] <dablitz> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[09:20] <dablitz> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[09:20] <dablitz> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[09:20] <dablitz> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[09:20] <dablitz> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[09:21] <dablitz> i can paste is what i have in my fstab
[09:21] <jayeola> don't paste too much , buddy
[09:21] <dablitz> ok
[09:21] <jayeola> if you wanna paste loads, join #flood
[09:21] <jayeola> anyways, try fdisk -l also
[09:22] <dablitz> this is in my fstab --->> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,user    1      2
[09:22] <|trey|> dablitz: thats all thats in there?
[09:23] <dablitz> no there is more for the rest of my system, but i pasted what is in there for my windows drive
[09:23] <|trey|> Looks right  :/
[09:24] <sap> dablitz: what error message do you get when you run the mount command you pasted above?
[09:24] <jayeola> u can past the rest in #flood, that's what it's there for
[09:24] <jayeola> -paste-
[09:24] <|trey|> :)
[09:24] <dablitz> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[09:24] <dablitz> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[09:25] <jayeola> mount -l , like i said
[09:25] <sap> dablitz: sudo ls /mnt/windows
[09:25] <|trey|> Applications and Computer should be different menu's.
[09:26] <sap> dablitz: do you get a directory listing if you do this?
[09:26] <|trey|> So you can seperate them...
[09:26] <dablitz> the dir is empty
[09:26] <dablitz> if I do a sudo ls /mnt/windows
[09:26] <dablitz> and jay i already pasted the results of mount -l
[09:27] <lobo_nz> topyli: I just re-installed ubuntu using the latest RC iso and still get the same problem as I did when updating from an old iso - Gnome sits on the naked people screen and does not load
[09:27] <|trey|> Foot should have about run and help... Applictions, everything else, Computer whats there now minus things like Screenshot which should be under the foot too...
[09:27] <jayeola> dablitz: lemme check, this is an external hdd, right?
[09:28] <|trey|> But should be able to move each menu...
[09:28] <|trey|> eh, each menu in different applet...
[09:28] <dablitz> jay no this is not an external harddrive. just the secondary drive on primary ide
[09:29] <rapha> ...
[09:29] <rapha> Hmm
[09:29] <rapha> Kamion: my friend has tried different vga= settings now but he is still getting the black screen...
[09:30] <topyli> lobo_nz: sorry, i honestly don't know what's wrong. you should file a bug. do you have some weird hardware in there?
[09:30] <jayeola> dablitz: is hdb mentioned in dmesg?
[09:30] <|trey|> Desktop Preferences and System Configuration could come out too... would fill top bar... pretty logical...
[09:30] <dablitz> yes
[09:31] <daniels> Kamion: *wack*.
[09:31] <daniels> er
[09:31] <daniels> wrong window :)
[09:31] <lobo_nz> topyli: no pretty standard p4 with GeForce 4, the old ubuntu worked fine
[09:31] <topyli> lobo_nz: then it's surely a bug :(
[09:32] <|trey|> And "Recent Documents" could be like I stated foot, but with recent docs at other end...  :)
[09:32] <lobo_nz> topyli: thanks for your interest, I will have a go at fixing it by removing and reinstalling stuff
[09:33] <jayeola> dablitz: mount /dev/hd[whatever]  /mnt, but do that @ yr own risk
[09:33] <topyli> lobo_nz: good luck! make sure the developers know about your problem
[09:34] <rapha> Strange
[09:34] <|trey|> So 6 total applets. 4 Plain Text, 2 Icons.
[09:34] <lobo_nz> topyli: I just did the add another user thing you suggested and have managed to log in sucessfully so all is not lost, if I get more errors I will file a bug if I can figure out whats wrong
[09:34] <rapha> My friend who is trying to install Ubuntu says it goes until it says "Starting system log daemon: syslog klogd" and then the screen goes blankj
[09:35] <topyli> lobo_nz: great! now you can try and clean up your home dir of all gnome settings (make backups!) and see if you can log in as yourself then...
[09:36] <lobo_nz> rapha: My screen dosn't go blank X seems to work fine but I got gnome session errors
[09:36] <topyli> i'm not sure if it'll help though, but what the hell
[09:36] <lobo_nz> topyli: doing that now thanks
[09:36] <jayeola> dablitz: ????
[09:36] <rapha> lobo_nz: He doesn't even get that far. This problem is at install time.
[09:36] <rapha> lobo_nz: Shortly after pressing Enter at the isolinux prompt.
[09:37] <lobo_nz> rapha: my install was perfect, that sounds like a really bad problem
[09:37] <rapha> It's a complete showstopper, and "linux vga=0" and that kind of stuff don't help.
[09:37] <lupex> I just installed Ubuntu on a Toshiba Satellite M30-304. However, it starts XFree at 640x480. I had to tweak some values in XF86Config-4 to make it work at 1280x800. Is there any way to report those changes to integrate them in future Ubuntu releases?
[09:37] <|trey|> You would just need to make the foot what redhat uses, but have it be kinda like "other", same for docs, "draw", then whats there now with no icon, but 4, apps comp deskpref config
[09:37] <rapha> I told him to try with an external monitor now, since it's a notebook he's trying to install on.
[09:37] <sap> dablitz: that's weird
[09:38] <rapha> lupex: Weren't you able to make the changes using the GNOME utility?
[09:38] <lupex> No, it reported only 640x480.
[09:38] <rapha> lupex: The resolution change, that is, not your XF86Config changes,
[09:38] <rapha> s/,/.
[09:38] <rapha> Okay
[09:38] <rapha> If you could enter this into bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org, that'd be great.
[09:38] <lupex> ok
[09:38] <jayeola> lupex: u need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.[blah] 
[09:39] <rapha> jayeola: Only if he _has_ xorg already.
[09:39] <lupex> jayeola, I'll look into it. I've never used xorg.
[09:39] <jayeola> look for the line that says  "640x480" blah and add this infront of it "1024x768"
[09:40] <rapha> Cool!
[09:40] <rapha> With an external monitor it works for my friend.
[09:40] <lupex> jayeola, I've got no xorg.* file in my /etc/X11.
[09:40] <jayeola> um, you may also have to use the gnome display thing to set yr monitor to 'generic lcd display'
[09:41] <jayeola> lupex: well it's some kinda x[blah]  file in /etc/
[09:41] <rapha> lupex: That's because you haven't upgraded your installation yet. Your editing the XF86Config-4 file was perfectly right.
[09:41] <jayeola> i'm not on a ubuntu box right now.....
[09:41] <lupex> ok
[09:42] <|trey|> haha @ x[blah] 
[09:42] <tiagobugarin> rapha: i have upgraded my instalation but it is still using XFree86 and not X.org
[09:42] <jayeola> (pst) listen to rapha, s/he knows what he's talking about....
[09:42] <|trey|> I have that file's entire contents memorized, let alone the location  :/
[09:43] <jayeola> |trey|: no matter what distro i try, i always have ta edit that file myself ;(
[09:43] <rapha> tiagobugarin: Yeah, here to. What mirror did you use?
[09:43] <|trey|> jayeola: which is why memorization comes in handy  8-)
[09:43] <rapha> jayeola: Not too much. I've done a couple of Linux From Scratches though.
[09:43] <rapha> jayeola: And I'm a He, but not a single ;-)
[09:43] <tiagobugarin> rapha:  i just use what came with ubuntu plus universe
[09:43] <jayeola> i've done it enough times to know -roughly- what to do and look for
[09:44] <rapha> tiagobugarin: Hmm. Then I don't know, sorry.
[09:44] <|trey|> rapha: one... was fun  :)
[09:44] <jayeola> s/he sorry, but didn't want to offend and stuff
[09:44] <rapha> If Kamion came back, he'd know all that stuff.
[09:44] <rapha> Or jdub.
[09:44] <tiagobugarin> rapha: archieve.ubuntu.com
[09:44] <|trey|> rapha: is easier then gentoo though imo  :/
[09:44] <jayeola> gah! gentooo , nooooooo
[09:45] <|trey|> I dunno, they complicated the most basic way to build a system  :/
[09:45] <rapha> tiagobugarin: Well, that's the master source.
[09:45] <jayeola> um, does freenode allow the '/list *blah*' command now adays?
[09:46] <rapha> jayeola: Lol, you hadn't, even if I had been female :)
[09:46] <rapha> trey: Well, you learn lots of stuff. But at some point in time, it gets just too time-consuming...
[09:47] <|trey|> rapha: debian gives you time to learn software  8-)
[09:47] <jayeola> yeah, i wanted to learn all this 'kernel' stuff so i decided to try gentoo 
[09:47] <tiagobugarin> just apt-get'ed linux-source but it is not in /usr/src/ anyone know how can i find it?
[09:47] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: i'ts something like kernel-sourcecode
[09:47] <jayeola> u need to do this first:- uname -a
[09:48] <|trey|> but if ya really want, ya can still apt-get -b source pkg
[09:48] <jayeola> and get yr kernel version
[09:48] <rapha> And from what I hear, kernel-building is a little differently under Debian?
[09:48] <|trey|> +debhelper = nice package management  :)
[09:48] <tiagobugarin> 2.6.8.1-2-386
[09:48] <rapha> (If you want to keep using your initrd, that is)
[09:49] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: i always do this 'apt-cache dump > name_of_some_file.txt'
[09:49] <rapha> http://www.nikotel.de, wow, cool SIP gateway
[09:49] <|trey|> flexible, create ya own, compile your own, or get a binary  :)
[09:49] <jayeola> that way you can read/know the packages off line
[09:49] <|trey|> apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, and debfoster are nice too...
[09:49] <jayeola> tiagobugarin:  'apt-cache dump > name_of_some_file.txt'
[09:50] <|trey|> +auto-apt (search)
[09:50] <jayeola> then grep kernel name_of_some_file.txt
[09:50] <jayeola> or sumptin like dat
[09:50] <|trey|> Last 4 should be in Ubuntu  :/
[09:51] <jayeola> but i only know the basics :(
[09:51] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: trying
[09:51] <tiagobugarin> thanks
[09:51] <jayeola> can u read name_of_some_file.txt?
[09:51] <|trey|> just gless <the_.gz_files>
[09:52] <lupex> rapha: what component should I choose for the bugreport (XF86Config is misconfigured on Toshiba Satellite M30-304)?
[09:52] <|trey|> zless  :/
[09:52] <|trey|> my bad
[09:52] <|trey|> Packages.gz is where the info comes from  :/
[09:53] <|trey|> You're just making 2 copies of it  :/
[09:53] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: what i really need is to know where the source go. i have already apt installed it but it is not in /usr/src/
[09:54] <|trey|> /usr/local/src maybe?
[09:54] <|trey|> dpkg -L (the source package)
[09:55] <tiagobugarin> |trey|: not in /usr/local/src
[09:55] <rapha> lupex: Hmm, since you've not yet upgraded to Xorg, I'd choose XFree86
[09:55] <jayeola> locate kernel
[09:56] <|trey|> tiagobugarin: ok, do what I told you... dpkg -L (the source package name)
[09:56] <enabl> hi all is there a quick apt-get to get all the kde stuff?
[09:57] <tiagobugarin> jayeola, |trey| : i think i found it with locate in /lib/modules/'kernel here'/
[09:57] <jayeola> quick poll: what text editor do you guys use? (vi)
[09:57] <rapha> ROFLMAO!!!!!
[09:57] <rapha> http://www.lraiser.com
[09:58] <rapha> The newest idea of Mr. Michael "Linuspire" Robertson
[09:58] <tberman> how do i get ubuntu to use automake-1.8 instead of automake. i see the link in /etc/alternatives/automake to 1.4, but is there a tool to change it?
[09:58] <|trey|> enabl: funny you should ask... Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic > Settings > Repositories > Check the ones pertaining to universe, or add universe to the ones that are not security...
[09:58] <rapha> MMMbah
[09:59] <rapha> Maybe I won't. I wanna give Ubuntu live CDs to people; not Linspire live CDs.
[09:59] <jayeola> rapha: actually a good map
[10:00] <|trey|> Linspire hired KDE's artist... he's good. Their iapps seem to be kinda suspicious though...
[10:00] <|trey|> They are developing gaim-vv too...
[10:00] <|trey|> The artist of the Cystal theme...
[10:01] <mozrat> Hey guys... I'd like to know the downside of running ubuntu-ppc on a iBook G4. Do you still get power management for example
[10:01] <|trey|> mozrat: that should all be supported  :/
[10:02] <|trey|> Multimedia Keys may have to be manually configured  :/
[10:02] <mozrat> |trey|: Airport Extreme?
[10:02] <mozrat> :)
[10:02] <|trey|> works.
[10:02] <mozrat> awesome
[10:02] <mozrat> move over OS X then :)
[10:02] <|trey|> :)
[10:03] <|trey|> A lot of that is due to Yellow Dog...
[10:03] <mozrat> btw.. it's an awesome distribution... a lot of people are raving about it
[10:03] <daniels> er, last I heard Airport Extreme was unsupported; normal Airport worked fine.
[10:03] <|trey|> Yellow Dog = biggest Mac based distro... Based on Fedora too now...
[10:04] <jayeola> *ahem* what text editor do use?
[10:04] <tiagobugarin> |trey|: i was wrong... and dpkg -L linux-source (this is what i typed to download the kernel source) returned it is not installed
[10:04] <jayeola> a poll....
[10:04] <daniels> all the Ubuntu developers that have Powerbooks with USB wireless adaptors hanging off them might be interested to know about the Airport Extreme support ;)
[10:04] <|trey|> tiagobugarin: hmm...
[10:04] <mozrat> jayeola: religious argument but... vim
[10:04] <|trey|> dpkg -l | grep ^^linux
[10:04] <|trey|> dpkg -l linux | grep ^^ii
[10:04] <|trey|> :/
[10:05] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: Package: kernel-sourcecode#2.6.8-1.521
[10:05] <|trey|> I'm high sorry.
[10:05] <jayeola> grep kernel apt-cache.txt, where the .txt file was a 'dump' of all of the packages
[10:05] <|trey|> ^^ = at the start of line; ii = installed... grep filters.
[10:06] <daniels> ttp://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/hardware/breakdown/index.php?hw_cat_id=4
[10:06] <jayeola> i feel like i'm blind whenever i use 'ed'
[10:06] <daniels> mozrat: airport extreme is unsupported
[10:06] <rapha> jayeola: Yeah, but only Linspire users.
[10:06] <|trey|> dpkg -l will report all accessable...
[10:06] <mozrat> daniels: OK.. thanks :(
[10:07] <tiagobugarin> |trey|: returned no package found mathing linux
[10:08] <|trey|> daniels: thought I saw Colin Charles say he got it working  :/
[10:09] <daniels> |trey|: iirc he has an earlier-model iBook, which has standard Airport, not Extreme
[10:09] <tiagobugarin> let's come to the begining. i typed apt-get install linux-source. and it downloaded 'linux-source-2.6.8.1 (with a note that it would download the detailed version one instead of the less informative other)
[10:09] <daniels> |trey|: i'd be pretty stunned if Apple released specs/drivers for Extreme
[10:09] <tiagobugarin> it downloaded everything and installed
[10:09] <|trey|> daniels: eh, good point  :(
[10:11] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: grep kernel file.txt do not return nothing related to kernel sources
[10:12] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: are you sure u did ' apt-cache dump > blah.txt'?
[10:12] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: yes i am :|
[10:13] <jayeola> if so u have to look at yr repositairies, summink like /etc/apt/sources/blah/
[10:13] <jayeola> uncommnent the sources that you want, comment the line that says ' i'm gonna get a package from the cd'
[10:16] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: u ok?
[10:16] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: made again the dump thing and now appear lots of info that do not came before
[10:17] <Se7h> i've downloaded celestia
[10:17] <Se7h> but i cant seem to get it working
[10:17] <tiagobugarin> including source stuff
[10:17] <Se7h> :|
[10:17] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: please be a bit > specific. so that others can help u as well (as if i am)
[10:18] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: ok, i'll try.
[10:18] <andril> hello all! Ubuntu is ready!
[10:19] <andril> can someone assist me with some sound issues?
[10:21] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: there is package: linux-source-2.6.8.1 and 2 versions: 2.6.8.1-16 and ...-13. there is also a last one line with: depends: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp (null). after that there is more 2 lines with the SAME information: 2.6.8.1-13
[10:23] <andril> any support today?
[10:23] <jayeola> well have u done 'uname -a' that will tell you yr kernel ;/
[10:25] <jvw> ls
[10:25] <jvw> oops *blush*
[10:25] <jayeola> ;=/
[10:26] <ninkendo> andril: don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:26] <ninkendo> and if noone answers, noone knows :)
[10:26] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: yes it returns: Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 Tue Sep 14 10:30:08 BST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux
[10:26] <jvw> I have a gnome-hacking related question... I want to hack gnome-terminal to set the URGENCY X windows hint upon beep. I've change libvte to do so on 'GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(GTK_WIDGET(terminal)->window)', but that doesn't work...
[10:27] <jvw> Am I missing something?
[10:27] <andril> well I don't have any sound
[10:27] <ninkendo> what sound card?
[10:27] <andril> just a sec I can pull it up again
[10:28] <daniels> jvw: try #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org
[10:28] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: 2.6.8.1-2-386 is your kernel. love it!
[10:28] <jvw> daniels: tnx
[10:28] <ninkendo> andril: lspci should tell you
[10:28] <ninkendo> look for audio
[10:28] <|trey|> On the site, the picture of the people shouldn't have the Icon or GDM parts... just the people.. enless you make it the way to login... to things such as bugzilla...
[10:29] <tiagobugarin> eheheh i do not understand why but thanks
[10:29] <ninkendo> or better yet, `lspci | grep '[Aa] udio'
[10:29] <andril> ok I have a HP Pavilion PC Model 8676C (US) (linux box)
[10:29] <andril> lspci in terminal?
[10:29] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: remember you saw 'linux-source'-blah-de-blah? well now you exactly  what kernel u have! 
[10:29] <ninkendo> yeah
[10:30] <|trey|> linux-source-<uname -r>
[10:30] <andril> AMC97 codec - 3-D Stereo, PCI, 16-bit Sound - Rockwell Chameleon combo card
[10:30] <ninkendo> cool
[10:30] <ninkendo> sec
[10:32] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: yeah. i remember. but again, the 1 million question: where the heck the apt installed the source??
[10:32] <andril> ninkendo: thanks - not familiar with "lspci" - i'm a noob
[10:32] <tiagobugarin> is there a way to search in the .deb?
[10:32] <ninkendo> andril: so that's a combo sound card/modem?
[10:33] <jayeola> um, i'm not on a ubuntu box, but /etc/apt/blah/hey/i/am/the/file.blah
[10:33] <andril> I guess
[10:33] <andril> ninkendo: check out the site http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?lc=en&cc=us&docname=bph05395#N1041F
[10:34] <wm_eddie> Anybody else getting the "Error loading BASIC of document" in OpenOffice.org?
[10:35] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: at /etc/apt/ there is only the sources.list file and the debconf directory
[10:35] <andril> not yet - wm-eddie
[10:36] <andril> ninkendo: BTW I am using the RC install
[10:36] <phin> is there a way to change the order of how things load?  the reason i ask is cause i use a pcmcia adaptor, so during the boot it doesnt find it till later, and the time script hangs cause it cant find the network yet.
[10:36] <tiagobugarin> i can not believe that all this is comming because i have a ISA pnp creative labs soundblaster 16
[10:36] <wm_eddie> ahh also, my Gnome Panel weather applet only has Alaska and the Middle East...
[10:37] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: read the file, buddy
[10:37] <SmokingFire> gaim has pretty cool IRC features
[10:37] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: what file? sources.list?
[10:37] <jayeola> u have to read it, cat /file/blah/de/blah
[10:38] <SmokingFire> add nickserv to contacts and you can auto identify your nick. Add a channel to your contacts and you will auto join that channel.
[10:38] <ninkendo> andril: alright, the drivers for your sound card aren't pure open source, so they're not included with moth linux distros
[10:38] <jayeola> tiagobugarin: come on, (wo)man, just read it, what hard can that do?
[10:38] <jayeola> -harm-
[10:38] <ninkendo> andril: you can compile them yourself though, but that may take a bit of knowhow
[10:38] <ninkendo> the drivers are here: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/riptide/archive/riptide-0.6lnxtbeta03122800/riptide-0.6lnxtbeta03122800.tar.gz
[10:39] <andril> ninkendo: ahhh - so I am screwed huh?
[10:39] <phin> smoking: sounds cool
[10:39] <ninkendo> nah, not really screwed :)
[10:39] <phin> i never played with gaims irc
[10:39] <ninkendo> you just gotta compile them yourself
[10:39] <SmokingFire> phin: I think its is
[10:39] <phin> im gonna try it right now :)
[10:40] <SmokingFire> I didn't feel like starting xchat, to many features. Only useful when irc nutta.
[10:40] <andril> ninkendo: easier said than me doing :)
[10:40] <ninkendo> you can do this as root: `apt-get install gcc make kernel-headers-2.6-386`
[10:40] <ninkendo> then grab that tarball, extract it, then run `make install` as root
[10:40] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: uncommented lines are: deb[-src]  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe and deb[-src]  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[10:40] <phin> smoking: i use irssi
[10:40] <wm_eddie> I just use irssi via ssh it's the most usefull.
[10:40] <andril> ninkendo: like I said I am a noob
[10:40] <ninkendo> heh
[10:40] <ninkendo> I take it this is an old computer?
[10:41] <SmokingFire> phin: In gaim first create account using irc for freenode.
[10:41] <phin|gaim> whoa
[10:41] <phin|gaim> this is pretty nifty
[10:41] <andril> ninkendo: give me an Apple (i'll eat it) give me a Window (i'll look out) - but can't compile
[10:41] <jayeola> uncommnent the sources that you want, comment the line that says ' i'm gonna get a package from the cd'
[10:41] <phin|gaim> tabs right in with my aim chat
[10:41] <SmokingFire> then when logged in freenode go to gaim main window and file--> add contact
[10:42] <phin|gaim> smoking: i figured it out :)
[10:42] <SmokingFire> in add contact choose your freenode account and for name enter NickServ
[10:42] <ninkendo> andril: well good luck man :)
[10:42] <andril> ninkendo: are there any sites that can teach me to compile?
[10:42] <phin> i dig irssi more thou :)
[10:42] <ninkendo> andril: it's actually really simple
[10:42] <phin> but i will definitly have to play with that
[10:43] <phin> i use gaim alot at work under windows
[10:43] <tiagobugarin> jayeola: cd is already commented
[10:43] <ninkendo> you just cd to the directory you extracted to, then type "make install"
[10:43] <phin> wouldnt mind having a diffrent irc client then mirc
[10:43] <SmokingFire> phin: then do add buddy pounce with the message IDENTIFY <password>
[10:43] <ninkendo> it comes with directions
[10:43] <ninkendo> getting it to work after that might be difficult though :)
[10:43] <andril> ninkendo: well I have the files - can you help a Ubuntu Brutha out?
[10:43] <ninkendo> sure
[10:43] <ninkendo> where did you download it to?
[10:43] <andril> ok let me extract them
[10:44] <andril> ninkendo: home
[10:44] <ninkendo> tar -xzvf riptide-0.6lnxtbeta03122800.tar.gz
[10:44] <ninkendo> run that in home
[10:44] <SmokingFire> phin: to add autojoin channel click on the channel and then conversation--> add
[10:44] <ninkendo> that'll extract it to /your/home/directory/riptide-0.6lnxtbeta03122800/
[10:44] <SmokingFire> in main gaim window select the channel and choose autojoin
[10:44] <jayeola> gaim -is- kinda nifty
[10:45] <phin> yep
[10:45] <SmokingFire> jayeola: Its better then I thought. Just needs audio conversing support now.
[10:45] <phin> now only if i couldf fry eggs...
[10:46] <andril> ninkendo: done
[10:46] <jayeola> SmokingFire: i think that it's out there somewhere......
[10:46] <Livewire> ok i just upgraded my Ubuntu Preview to RC via Synaptic ... do i essentially have a clean install? has it removed uneeded stuff?
[10:46] <phin> live: should be fine
[10:46] <Livewire> cool
[10:46] <SmokingFire> Does it make a lot of difference when coding for gnome if you do it in C/C++ or python gtk? Talking about GUI application
[10:46] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu is so perfect. I love this!
[10:47] <Livewire> i think i'll grab the iso anyway for future installs
[10:47] <phin> ya im digging ubuntu
[10:47] <phin> i cant figure out how to get my wireless card to 10mb/S
[10:47] <phin> its hanging onto 2
[10:47] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: C is probably best, and most frustrating, python is more fun.
[10:47] <ninkendo> andril: I'm reading the README for the drivers...
[10:47] <ninkendo> and it's looking like you're fucked :)
[10:47] <phin> im about to take a c class
[10:47] <andril> ninkendo: word...
[10:47] <ninkendo> it only works in 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels, and ubuntu has 2.6.8.1 by default
[10:47] <phin> i need to take a computer class to get into computer sceince class
[10:47] <SmokingFire> wm_eddie: best in what way? I mean for a desktop application raw speed is not the most important feature is it?
[10:48] <phin> so i figured i mine as well learn something
[10:48] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: With C you have the most up-to-date gtk libs.
[10:48] <wm_eddie> And with Python you have 2.4.0
[10:48] <andril> ninkendo: thanks anyways - how is Ubuntu ti new hardware being added?
[10:49] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: But my friend made a great MusicPlayer (Called Quod Libet) in just a weekend using Python.
[10:49] <ninkendo> andril: should be fine
[10:49] <SmokingFire> phin: A learn C in 24 hours book is a good start.
[10:49] <ninkendo> I'd throw away that card anyway :)
[10:49] <wm_eddie> (The UI is practically done, except for sorting.)
[10:49] <wm_eddie> phin: Learn C in 24 hours is a horrible book.
[10:49] <phin> smoking: well i know there is alot to it
[10:49] <wm_eddie> phin: Practial C is a good book.
[10:49] <phin> so im down to take a class
[10:49] <SmokingFire> wm_eddie: python has sorting classes like the stl of C++?
[10:49] <andril> ninkendo: exactly - I will just add a new sound card - thanks
[10:50] <ninkendo> I looked at some forums... they say it's basically a windows soundcard
[10:50] <phin> i was thinking, why take a class for a language i already know, would be a waste of the money
[10:50] <Keybuk> heh, I've been programming in C for over 10 years and I'm *still* learning it
[10:50] <ninkendo> like how winmodems are
[10:50] <phin> everyone was saying i should just do something easy
[10:50] <phin> fuck that
[10:50] <phin> to boring
[10:50] <ninkendo> they're not really meant for anything but windows 9x :)
[10:50] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: Not sure, I'm just a python newbie, I took it up over the weekend to make a program called PyFolder.
[10:50] <aan234> Hi. I installed the latest Ubuntu, and can someone help me configure the wireless?
[10:50] <aan234> thanks.
[10:50] <SmokingFire> phin: you should perhaps try accelerated C++
[10:50] <aan234> How do I setup wlan0 interface? 
[10:50] <phin> well ive wanted to learn c for a while
[10:50] <andril> ninkendo: this actually picked up the Rockwell WinModem - but not  the sound part
[10:50] <aan234> eth0 is properly linked to my network card and it's working..
[10:51] <aan234> but wireless lan is not working..
[10:51] <aan234> I have already loaded the module for it.
[10:51] <ninkendo> andril: interesting
[10:51] <ninkendo> are you using the WinModem for your connection right now?
[10:51] <SmokingFire> well, c ,c++ java are pretty much the same. If you know C++ well a 10 page tutorial on any other C based language will be fine.
[10:52] <wm_eddie> winmodems are getting better in linux,  When I started using linux, lack of winmodem support is what kept me using windows, (then I bought a real modem)
[10:52] <SmokingFire> the rest is you messing about and looking in the reference manual.
[10:52] <andril> nonkendo: nopes - I have 3mb DSL and 3mbs Cable to connect
[10:52] <wm_eddie> but my laptop and my sister's computer both have winmodems and they both work great.
[10:52] <andril> ninkendo: I saw it in Device Manager
[10:52] <wm_eddie> SmokingFire: The only thing about C is you have to learn the C way of object oriented programming.
[10:53] <aan234> Anyone?
[10:53] <wm_eddie> aan234: I actually just made a script that send the information needed to iwconfig :)
[10:53] <wm_eddie> That's not the right way, but it worked, and it was fast.
[10:54] <SmokingFire> I figure its not really the languages that are hard but the algorithmes, and building complex things with simple keywords.
[10:54] <aan234> wm_eddia.. awesome.. can you send it to me? :D
[10:54] <sidney> can somebody please give me the cdrom repository location?
[10:54] <SmokingFire> Its like the english language basically anyone can learn it but only some people can write pieces like hamlet.
[10:54] <sidney> i somehow messed it up
[10:54] <wm_eddie> aan234: Also the novell wireless control applet is worth looking at.
[10:55] <aan234> kinda weird that wlan0 wasn't setup out of box..
[10:55] <aan234> well, at least, prism2_usb module was included.. :D
[10:55] <SmokingFire> sidney: Something like this but it depends on what ISO version you ware using for the exact name: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041008)] / unstable main restricted 
[10:56] <andril> ninkendo: can compiling the drivers for this kernel damage the installation?
[10:56] <wm_eddie> aan234: open an editor, but #!/bin/bash on the first line, then "sudo iwconfig eth0 your-commands-here" on the second line, then "ifup eth0" or "dhclient eth0" on the third line.
[10:57] <aan234> what is your commands here?
[10:57] <aan234> thanks.
[10:57] <wm_eddie> uhh..
[10:58] <aan234> also, currently eth0 is linked to my wire LAN card..
[10:59] <wm_eddie> "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "PITT-WIRELESS" enx "XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XX"
[10:59] <wm_eddie> without the first "
[10:59] <wm_eddie> then sudo dhclient eth1
[10:59] <aan234> ic..
[10:59] <aan234> "SEt failed on device eth1 ; no such device."
[11:00] <wm_eddie> There's a right way to do it, I just wasn't sure.
[11:00] <wm_eddie> aan234: that could be a problem.
[11:00] <aan234> I loaded the prism2_usb module..
[11:00] <aan234> i have to someohw link this to eth1 or wlan0.. .
[11:00] <aan234> during install, only eth0 was linked to my Wire lan card..
[11:01] <wm_eddie> aan234: Have you tried the network application under "Computer"
[11:02] <wm_eddie> or "Network Settings"
[11:02] <aan234> wm_eddia, yes..
[11:03] <aan234> wm_eddie, the part where I have to put interface wlan0 or eth0 is blank, cna't change it.
[11:04] <sirhalstead> Is there a way to reenable the web interface to CUPS in ubuntu?
[11:04] <wm_eddie> sirhalstead: Absolutely, but I don't know how :)
[11:04] <z1nOnly> Does the new rc of ubuntu use xorg?
[11:05] <wm_eddie> anyway, netapplet-wifi is here http://primates.ximian.com/~rml/netapplet/ but it's pretty SuSE specific, I'd have to hack it for a while for it to work in Ubuntu.
[11:07] <calc> NetworkManager will solve all the problems ;)
[11:07] <aan234> calc... you think so? :D
[11:07] <calc> well i think that is the general idea
[11:08] <aan234> i don't know how to  hard linke wlan to my wireless card..
[11:08] <aan234> wm_eddie, thanks btw.. let me know if you can think of something. 
[11:08] <calc> ubuntu plans to integrate NM into the Hoary release
[11:08] <wm_eddie> It's kind of hard, because all I did was plug my card in and it worked...
[11:09] <aan234> also, I had to manually load prism2_usb.. no auto-loading..
[11:09] <wm_eddie> although I had to make another script for when the card because eth0
[11:10] <punkass__> i ended up writing my own little python app..for wifi access :)
[11:11] <punkass__> calc: what is network manager?
[11:12] <dieman> ooo
[11:12] <punkass__> calc: i assume its not the one thats aready included.
[11:12] <aan234> hmm.. I think i might have found a solution..
[11:12] <dieman> my first amd64 machine
[11:12] <aan234> hope it works..
[11:12] <dieman> downside: its a intel em64t
[11:13] <aan234> damn, all I had to do was setup alias for wlan0 to prism2_usb
[11:13] <calc> punkass__: may be, but currently not a lot of stuff is using it
[11:13] <punkass__> ah i see
[11:13] <calc> http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/More_NetworkManager_News <- only post i can find about it so far
[11:13] <calc> too bad it doesn't have a webpage dedicated to explaining what it is for
[11:14] <dieman> calc: hopefully NM will be optional
[11:15] <aan234> Does anyone know where is the /etc/modutils/linux-wlan-ng for Ubuntu?
[11:15] <dieman> calc: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/NetworkManager/README?rev=1.2&view=auto
[11:15] <dieman> calc: i just typed that in from another monitor so i might have typoed it
[11:15] <aan234> I need to set "alias wlan0 prism2_usb"
[11:16] <wm_eddie> aan234: what if prism2_usb is called something else already?
[11:16] <wm_eddie> what does dmesg say?
[11:17] <aan234> well, prism2_usb is already loaded..but linux doesn't know it's wlan0.
[11:17] <punkass__> hmmm...sounds like NM i was i am trying to make..
[11:17] <wm_eddie> what is it loading it as though?
[11:19] <aan234> wm_eddie, how do I check that? thanks
[11:19] <calc> dieman: thanks
[11:20] <wm_eddie> uh, try dmesg |grep -i prism 
[11:20] <guptan> how can I remove trash and computer icons from desktop?
[11:21] <SmokingFire> So why can't linux OS's reconize my logitech mouse extra buttons?
[11:21] <wm_eddie> eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01462:570c bound to 0000:00:04.0
[11:21] <wm_eddie> I get this.
[11:21] <aan234> it's loaded as prism2_usb
[11:22] <wm_eddie> aan234: try greping for wlan and eth too
[11:22] <guptan> after an upgrade nothing seems to be working in my system. when I started firefox I got big window with yellow background titled Gecko
[11:23] <wm_eddie> guptan: that sounds like something really got borked..
[11:23] <guptan> wm_eddie: yeah 
[11:24] <aan234> wm_eddie, done. nothing interesting..
[11:24] <guptan> even I can't minimize windows. it never appears in the taskbar
[11:24] <aan234> just added "alias wlan0 prism2_usb" to /etc/modules.conf and now restarting /etc/init.d/networking
[11:24] <wm_eddie> does presm2_usb make an entry in /dev?
[11:26] <punkass__> how hard is it to set up raid with debian?
[11:26] <aan234> wm_eddie, what should I look for?
[11:26] <punkass__> just a 2 disk raid
[11:27] <calc> very trivial with real hardware raid
[11:27] <calc> a little more complicated with software raid :)
[11:27] <aan234> well, restarting my computer.. since I updated the modules.conf
[11:27] <punkass__> thats what  i thought...this server hosting company just told me they couldnt do it on debian
[11:28] <calc> punkass__: its essentially the same on any dist
[11:28] <punkass__> yeah...but they said they could do it with redhad
[11:28] <punkass__> er hat*
[11:28] <punkass__> just thought that was kinda odd
[11:28] <calc> well i don't recall if woody had a way to setup software raid during install or not
[11:28] <punkass__> i wonder if redhat has some gui raid setup tool or something
[11:29] <calc> but sarge does afaicr
[11:29] <aan234> btw, what's up with "FATA: Error interting pcihp " error message during boot up?
[11:29] <calc> punkass__: it does
[11:29] <punkass__> well i would assume they would use hardware raid
[11:29] <calc> if they had real hardware raid the OS wouldn't even need to know about it
[11:29] <punkass__> hmm..ok thanks
[11:29] <calc> so they must be using software raid
[11:29] <wm_eddie> hmm pcihp...
[11:30] <punkass__> calc: that would be pretty weak, if its a full blown dedicated server i would think
[11:30] <calc> i setup a 1TB raid for my brother and it didn't require anything special, just needed the controller driver since it was real hardware raid
[11:30] <riley> isn't the first full release supposed to come out sometime soon?
[11:30] <calc> riley: oct 20
[11:30] <punkass__> calc: 1TB...thats big
[11:30] <punkass__> :)
[11:31] <riley> calc: cool thanks
[11:31] <calc> punkass__: yea well only 750GB usuable, since it was 4 250GB drives in RAID5
[11:31] <punkass__> nice
[11:31] <calc> punkass__: 3ware has some nice controllers and raid cages :)
[11:32] <wm_eddie> aan234: I couldn't find anything on google about that error.
[11:32] <punkass__> calc: that your company? ;)
[11:32] <mike_w> sorry if this has been said before, but why the firefox downgrade?
[11:32] <aan234> so you guys aren't seeing any fatal error during bootup?
[11:32] <AndyFitz> mike_w: too many holes in 1 pre
[11:32] <wm_eddie> aan234: does it boot though?
[11:33] <stratos> Just a quick little question if you don't mind. I'm trying out the gnome-vfs feature to open ftp/ssh connections like normal maps. This all works fine. But all the files are Read Only. does anyone know if this is simply the current state of functionality, or perhaps some missed option on my account?
[11:33] <aan234> yes..
[11:33] <punkass__> oh i see..its just products
[11:33] <wm_eddie> not very fatal then...
[11:33] <aan234> heh.. :)
[11:33] <calc> punkass__: no i have no job :\
[11:33] <punkass__> doh
[11:33] <mike_w> AndyFitz: thanks, although I hadn't noticed any
[11:33] <calc> punkass__: getting interviewed by lots of places soon :)
[11:33] <punkass__> good stuff
[11:34] <calc> punkass__: 3ware seems to make the best ide/sata raid controllers though and is fairly cheap
[11:34] <punkass__> cool, ill have to keep them in mind
[11:35] <AndyFitz> mike_w:  neither had i,  i loved the newer search tool aswell :-/
[11:35] <AndyFitz> http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/wiki/media/search-anim.gif  - jimmacs beagle concept looks awesome
[11:35] <mike_w> AndyFitz: yeah, me too... and live bookmarks had a lot of potential too. Ah well, will just wait for mozilla to finalise it *shrug*
[11:35] <Keybuk> "concept" ?
[11:35] <AndyFitz> I wonder if beagle / dashboard are hugely resource intensive
[11:36] <AndyFitz> yeah its a mock-up 
[11:36] <Keybuk> oh. that anim is yeah
[11:36] <numb> does the new version has support for the "ati radeon x800 pro" ???
[11:36] <AndyFitz> beagle exists but you cand do exactly that
[11:36] <aan234> well, be back later..
[11:36] <aan234> nature calls
[11:37] <calc> yea they were showing off beagle last week
[11:37] <Livewire> numb: ATIs drivers are pants in Linux unfortunately
[11:37] <wm_eddie> I tried to build beagle on Gentoo last week, and it didn't work. :(
[11:37] <calc> i think i slept too late and missed the talk
[11:37] <numb> ok, tnx Livewire
[11:37] <mike_w> Livewire: are nvidia's any better? thinking of upgrading to raddy 9800 or nvid 6800
[11:37] <calc> i like the 9600 since it is fanless :)
[11:38] <calc> the best nvidia that is fanless is 5200
[11:38] <mike_w> u can get a fanless 9800 pro too, although it aint cheap
[11:38] <acamargo> hi. how to enable mysql support for php on ubuntu?
[11:38] <Livewire> http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2241  heres Doom 3 Windows VS Linux
[11:38] <punkass__> mike_w: i have a nvidia 5900xt and nvidia drivers are fine
[11:38] <Livewire> ATI excluded shit drivers
[11:39] <dieman> yay
[11:39] <dieman> the video card on this em64t machine is nvidia
[11:39] <dieman> so it will work
[11:39] <mike_w> Livewire: have read that anandtech article before, but it's geared to suse
[11:40] <mike_w> guess the chances of getting HL2 to run on linux are <0 :(
[11:40] <Livewire> yeah, but the must of the points are still valid
[11:41] <Livewire> thats the only reason i keep M$, for games
[11:41] <mike_w> LOL me too
[11:41] <wm_eddie> aan234: ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ the FAQ and README have some interesting info... but since I can't test it I don't know how interesting.
[11:42] <mike_w> so nvidia is currently better under linux than ati... that might sway the decision
[11:42] <topyli> what the hell is "games"? something like nethack?
[11:42] <stratos> acamargo, just wait a sec, i'll check. (installing apache/php/mysql first )
[11:42] <Keybuk> ah yes, linux-wlan-ng ... where "ng" standards for "not going into the kernel"
[11:42] <Keybuk> uh, stands for
[11:42] <Keybuk> freudian slip there, heh
[11:43] <Livewire> mike_w ATI cards are better often on paper, but the drivers are crap
[11:43] <Livewire> mike_w ATI's new stuff is single slot with lower power consumption
[11:44] <mike_w> Livewire: although the 6800 ultra seems to kick the X800XT's ass. I can't afford either, and would be mainly buying for HL2 anyway
[11:44] <mike_w> (in doom 3 it does I mean)
[11:44] <Livewire> yeah
[11:44] <Livewire> ive got a 9800pro and still going strong
[11:44] <Livewire> can run 1024 high detail in doom3 in M$
[11:44] <mike_w> my 9000 is an endangered species
[11:45] <topyli> matrox rules for office work :)
[11:45] <mike_w> doesn't even like CS:S at standard detail!
[11:45] <mike_w> (looks okay, but a bit glitchy)
[11:45] <Livewire> i just saw the Athlon 64 3000+ 90nm sck939 with a 45% overclock... i want one
[11:46] <mike_w> Livewire: you prefer your 9800 Pro to a 6800? had it long?
[11:46] <Livewire> uh? the 6800 is far superior .. but costs a lot more
[11:46] <Livewire> ive had the 9800pro for 8 months
[11:47] <mike_w> Livewire: the 6800 (basic version) seems to be similarly priced to 9800Pro just now. ish.
[11:47] <Livewire> ah.. i'd get the 6800 then
[11:47] <Livewire> if i was you
[11:47] <Livewire> if thats your budget roughly
[11:47] <mike_w> kinda depends on where you look though
[11:48] <mike_w> think the 6800 has 12 pipelines tho?
[11:48] <Livewire> yeah it has more pipelines than 98pro
[11:48] <mike_w> cool - will carry on searching and try find a good deal. sorry for clogging up the linux forum with graphics card banter ;-)
[11:49] <mike_w> erm.. forum = channel
[11:50] <SmokingFire> ooh here I come with me MX :)
[11:50] <Se7h> what was the console command to access the gstream config again ?
[11:50] <SmokingFire> me - my
[11:51] <mike_w> lol
[11:51] <topyli> Se7h: gstreamer-properties
[11:52] <topyli> you don't have to type further than gstrea[TAB]  and it'll guess :)
[11:52] <phin> whats the name of that html editor for linux?
[11:52] <topyli> vi
[11:52] <phin> shit i forget
[11:52] <phin> the new one, blue something
[11:52] <wm_eddie> bluefish?
[11:52] <phin> yep
[11:52] <phin> danke!
[11:54] <AndyFitz> nvu is looking quite good.   that said  i use anjuta for xhtml + css for some reason  ( probably because of the custom font settings per syntax type )
[11:54] <topyli> speaking of html editors, what the hell is the idea behind a name like "nvu" for something that's supposed to be user-friendly?
[11:54] <topyli> vi, nvu, what's the difference? :)
[11:54] <AndyFitz> id recommend nvu to a frontpage or noobish dreamweaver user
[11:55] <topyli> AndyFitz: nvu is nice, yes
[11:55] <AndyFitz> yeah ive got no idea.  it seems like a molestation of the mozilla composer code to me 
[11:55] <wm_eddie> I've never gotten NVu to compile either.
[11:55] <wm_eddie> or work.
[11:55] <AndyFitz> i think lindows are sponsoring its development
[11:56] <wm_eddie> I also have never got Lsongs working either.
[11:56] <topyli> don't compile. just use the binary, like any lindows user
[11:56] <topyli> :)
[11:56] <wm_eddie> topyli: Even using the binary it didn't work.
[11:56] <topyli> hmm. it does work in my house
[11:56] <AndyFitz> last distro i used nvu on was fc2 . there was a binary and it worked
[11:57] <topyli> i use the binary from nvu.com and it works on ubuntu and debian unstable
[11:57] <TallMike> anyone using ati9800 radeon?
[11:57] <TallMike> natively...or with the drivers from ati's site?
[11:59] <wm_eddie> oh wait, does this thing need KDElibs?