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wm_eddienVu?12:00
AndyFitzrealtime editing of html in gecko. im just not sure if its the current gecko renderer being used and not mozilla 1.3 gecko12:00
AndyFitzwm_eddie : i dont think so12:00
AndyFitzit uses the gui forms of the mozilla-mail and browser ( not firefox )  no qt or kde libs should be needed12:00
ElRatonexcuse me, but I'm the #ubuntu-fr channel creator, and i12:01
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ElRaton(sorry) 'd like to know who i need to ask for to get the fr.ubuntulinux.org DNS entry12:01
topyliwm_eddie: dunno, i've had the kde libs lying around for k3b and such, but i don't know if nvu uses them12:01
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topylii don't think so though, should be pretty much like mozilla12:02
wm_eddieI wonder how long I can go without qt on this system.12:02
acamargostratos, any progress? :-)12:02
mike_wElRaton: have you tried whois fr.ubuntulinux.org?12:02
wm_eddiek3b is nice.12:02
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topyliwm_eddie: obviously you either don't need lyx :)12:02
topylior k3b12:02
ElRatonmike_w, ;)12:03
syNapseanyone had any luck installing the mono stuff??12:03
ElRatonmike_w, i want to create it12:03
ElRatonmike_w, NOT FOUND12:03
wm_eddiesyNapse: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list12:03
stratosacamargo, some, but i think i forgot to install some mysql component.  12:03
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topylii'm asleep already. might as well go to bed12:03
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mike_wElRaton: *shrug* sorry12:04
syNapseSynaptic wouldnt let me pull it.  I wanted to try that Tommy app. Thanks.12:04
acamargostratos, smells like I need a mysql's php module12:04
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stratosindeed12:04
acamargostratos, but... where is the package? or... what is the package?12:04
acamargostratos, what packages did you install?12:04
stratosdunno, i just no that php needs mysql.so, and that my system doesn't have it :)12:05
wm_eddieand nvu once again does not work.12:05
syNapsethanks for that sources.list,  whats it mean when apt returns a Stat error?12:05
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superuser_Hmm, back to Windows XP.. :(12:05
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wm_eddieAan2343: Did you break the kernel?12:06
Aan2343I guess my switch has to wait for another year.12:06
Aan2343wm_eddie.. nope..12:06
acamargostratos, apt-get install mysql-server12:06
Aan2343I tried another prism2 based usb card, and it didn't work.12:06
wm_eddieAan2343: man, if I had Ubuntu when I made the switch in 1999...12:06
Aan2343So far only linux that was able to connect to wireless net was lindows.. :012:07
wm_eddieeww12:07
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Aan2343it's getting there..12:07
wm_eddieAan2343: I'm pretty sure it'll be fixed for 5.312:07
Aan2343heh.. in lindows 4.5 developer edition, I had all the tools I needed to download and install wlan_ng package..12:07
wm_eddieSo you'll only have to wait 6 months :)12:07
Aan2343heh.. :)12:07
Aan2343better than debian stable..12:08
wm_eddieyup12:08
phinanyone know of a good howto for setting up mutt for external imap?12:08
wm_eddieI think ubuntu is going to be last linux I'll ever use :D12:08
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Aan2343wm_eddie, really?12:09
Aan2343I like debian..12:09
mike_wwm_eddieL that good or bad? :P12:09
stratosi dunno, been using ubuntu for 2 days now, but lots of little things i'm not happy with. 12:09
wm_eddiemike_w: Good!12:09
mike_wlol12:09
Aan2343i mean when I use plain ole LAN connection, I am pretty sure I can get it running with all the tools in a few hours..12:09
wm_eddieI've tried: Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian stable, Desktop L/X, Corel Linux...12:10
phini love debian12:10
phinim loving ubuntu as well :)12:10
mike_wI've tried red hat, fc2, mandrake, suse, debian (sarge & sid)12:10
wm_eddieI'm really loving Ubuntu :)12:10
Aan2343I have tried Mandrake, fedora, debian stable, debian sarge, slackware, peanut linux, crux linux, knoppix, gnoppix, overclockix among others.. oh, so many wasted CDR's.12:10
mike_wununtu wins so far, with suse 9.2 potentially coming in 2nd (time will tell)12:11
stratosi hope the fashion fad called gentoo will go away soon. realy what's the point in waiting 5 hours of something to compile just to make it less stable and/or just a tiny bit faster.12:11
sabdflstratos: what are you unhappy with?12:11
Aan2343yeah, i don't want to compile anything unless it's the latest whiz bang release I really wanna try.12:11
mike_wmanaged to kill my hard drive with mandrake :P (seriously corrupted ptable and fat)12:12
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Aan2343seriously, why can't we just have "download and click" installable drivers?12:12
mike_whad to write zeros to fix it!12:12
wm_eddiestratos: Gentoo was actually a really easy to use system.  Worked better (kind of) than all the other linuxes I tried... But it's so ANNOYING when emerge fails to build something!12:12
stratosthe world in general but that's not realy the point here :)  nah, i just have too many gentoo fan boys spamming a tech forum i go to often with pro-gentoo crap.12:12
raphaHi again12:12
neighborleestratos: I agree on that point definitey ( which is why I used { when I tried gentoo that is} stage3GRP <G>) but portage is another reason gentoo advocates boast about it....although i've seen alot of problems with it that or the maintaners use of it maybe dunno...12:12
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mike_wapt rocks though12:12
wm_eddieAan2343: There are.12:13
raphaI'm just trying to configure the nvidia driver, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't appear to be writing a config file -- what am I doing wrong?12:13
Aan2343jesus, also, it's okay for me to have less than 100% stable system.. just let me download and install drivers...even if it doesn't match my kernel version..12:13
wm_eddieAan2343: I've installed a FC2 kernel module, on a SuSE 8.2 system. it worked fine.12:13
Aan2343btw, ubuntu was blazingly fast..12:14
Aan2343wm_eddie, really?12:14
Aan2343but then it has to match the kernel version, though...12:14
wm_eddieyeah, It was the first time I ever did that.12:14
wm_eddieThe site said "Fedora Core 2 rpm, should work with anything though"12:14
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wm_eddieso I installed it, and it worked!12:14
wm_eddiebut I guess there's stability issues and stuff.  But we have the kernel headers in universe.  It's not too hard to install a module.12:15
Aan2343I am never gonna by generic oem crap ever again...12:15
windhow do i get surround working with sis7012 (i8x0) and alsa?12:15
wm_eddiewind: Surround in Linux doesn't work too well yet.12:16
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david__how can i mount my NTFS partition?12:17
windjust 5.1 then.. screw surround, but i'd really like to use my subwoofer12:17
david__it wasnt auto mounted12:17
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wm_eddiedavid mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxn /mnt/windows didn't work?12:17
acamargodavid__, brush /etc/fstab :-)12:17
stratosacamargo, well i've just about installed anything that is remotly relevant to mysql.  but i'm still not seeing any mysql.so.  but i'm no expert either. certainly not on ubuntu12:17
Le_Vert/dev/hda1       /mnt/win2003    ntfs    user,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=100   0       012:17
Le_Vertadd something like this12:18
wm_eddieactually, my windows partition didn't get auto-mounted either...12:18
Aan2343wind, I suggest that instead of spending a lot of hours trying to get it to work, just get a good ole 5.1 Sound Blaster AWE..12:18
Le_Vertin ur /etc/fstab12:18
mike_wmine gets automounted once it's in fstab12:18
windill just do that. .12:19
acamargoanyone running php on ubuntu here?12:19
david__im in FSTAB now12:19
stratosyeah got that running alright.12:19
david__what should i add?12:19
Le_Vert/dev/hda1       /mnt/win2003    ntfs    user,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=100   0       012:19
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RandomizeGood evening.12:20
Le_Vertreplace /dev/hda1 with ur own ntfs partition12:20
wm_eddieIf I had 5.1 speakers, I'd get surround sound working just for nighttime Doom3!12:20
Le_Vertand /mnt/win2003 with the a valid mount point12:20
mike_wmake sure the directory exists tho12:20
david__ah i dont know what number it is12:20
superuser_did they release doom3 for linux yet?12:20
david__and also i cant seem to edit fstab12:20
mike_wdon't think so12:21
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stratosyeah they did12:21
mike_wdavid__ need to edit it as sudo12:21
mike_wstratos: doom3? really?12:21
stratosjust a sec. getting the link12:21
SmokingFireLe_Vert: you should do a no auto too.12:21
stratoshttp://www.doom3linux.com/12:21
SmokingFireAuto mounting is annoying I find12:21
superuser_will my athlon xp 2500+, 512MB, ATI 9100 128MB system play the game?12:22
Le_Verthumm12:22
wm_eddieOnce I get some extra money, I'll buy Doom312:22
mike_wstratos: tnxs!12:22
stratosnp12:22
Le_Vertwhy SmokingFire  ???12:22
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SmokingFirebecause now each time you boot up that disk will be on the desktop12:22
stratossuperuser_, yes and no.  i heard people being able to play it, but ati cards seemed to be playing the game rather slow under linux.12:22
wm_eddiesuperuser_: Mines a XP 2600+ with 512, and a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra. Runs fine on normal mode.12:22
Le_Vertoh ok12:22
stratoshaven't tried it mysql yet though12:22
Le_Verti'm using debian sarge12:22
raphaOkay got it12:22
stratosmyself12:22
raphathanks12:22
david__david@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxn /mnt/windows12:23
david__Password:12:23
david__mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist12:23
Le_Vertso there s no problem with this SmokingFire  ;)12:23
SmokingFireIf you do the noauto parameter and then click on computer-->disks it will mount12:23
wm_eddieyeah, you need to wait for a driver update from ATI.12:23
spivdavid__: the mount point need to be an empty directory.12:23
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mike_wdavid__: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows12:23
spivmike_w: beat me to it ;)12:23
superuser_nick Aan243312:23
mike_wspiv: lol12:23
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Dekkardhmm12:23
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Dekkardtotal install time 52 minutes...12:24
icec2hello all.  new ubuntu user here.12:24
david__mount: special device /dev/hdxn does not exist12:24
Dekkardnow to explore apt...12:24
SmokingFireWould be cool if Computer --> Disk would have Just: CDrom, Floppy, Filesystem and a Folder called Foreign were all other non essential partitions/disk are.12:24
wm_eddiehmm I don't have permisions to view /mnt/windows/...12:24
mike_wdavid: substitute 'x' for 'a' (HDD master) or 'b' (HDD slave)12:25
Aan23453wm_eddie, I noticed that..12:25
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mike_wdavid__: and 'n' for the partition number12:25
david__mike_w: what about the n?12:25
icec2(perusing faq before opening mouth)12:25
Aan23453You need to be root to mount anything..but then when you try to open mounted files using file manager under gnome, you can't bec. you are a regular user..12:25
Aan23453LOL12:25
david__im guessing its partition 1 .. i installed Ubuntu after M$12:26
Le_Vertthen you must chnage owner from the mounting dir12:26
wm_eddieAan23453: No If you have the user part in fstab you don't need to be root to mount anything.12:26
SmokingFirewm_eddie and Aan234: You just need the correct settings in /etc/fstab12:26
Le_Vertand chmod it12:26
mike_wdavid__: try it with /dev/hda1 and see what happens...12:26
Le_Vertchown username mountpoint12:26
SmokingFireno need to chmod it12:26
RandomizeOr set them at the time you mount.12:26
Le_Vertchmod 750 mountpoint12:26
david__david@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows12:26
david__mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist12:26
wm_eddie/dev/hdb1/mnt/windows ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 012:27
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wm_eddiewhy doesn't that work?12:27
Aan23453hmm..12:27
Aan23453and I thought Ubuntu was geared towards new users of Linux...12:27
mike_wweird12:27
RandomizeSpacing.12:27
Aan23453It'll probably take 30 minutes just to read docts on fstab and mount.. and chown12:27
Le_Vertcya all :)12:27
Randomize/dev/hdb1 .... space .... /mnt/windows 12:27
wm_eddieAan23453: it is, but not stupid ones like Lindows12:27
Le_Vertgood night12:27
SmokingFiredavid__: sudo fdisk -l12:27
mike_wtry just sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows12:27
Aan23453mike_w, will sudo work? 12:28
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mike_wAan23453: did for me12:28
Aan23453i c..will try it later..12:28
mike_w(albeit a while ago)12:28
wm_eddiehmm interesting. maybe if I unmount it and change the permissions of the windows folder.12:28
SmokingFireThere should be a migration tool that keep all universal settings (fstab and network) when migrating to a fresh install or other distro.12:28
KeybukSmokingFire: tar czf settings.tar.gz /etc12:29
david__Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System12:29
david__/dev/sda1   *           1        5099    40957686    7  HPFS/NTFS12:29
david__/dev/sda2            5100       12394    58597087+  83  Linux12:29
david__/dev/sda3           24260       24321      498015    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)12:29
david__/dev/sda5           24260       24321      497983+  82  Linux swap12:29
david__ah duh12:29
david__silly me12:29
david__sda12:29
SmokingFireSo you need to mount sda112:29
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wm_eddiethat's strange...12:29
mike_wis that sata or something?12:30
SmokingFireKeybuk: That will just tar the whole /etc folder not?12:30
wm_eddieHow does the ntfs driver handle permissions?12:30
mike_wwm_eddie: read only12:30
wm_eddiemike_w: even in the 2.6 driver?12:30
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wm_eddiedr-x------    1 root     root        12288 Aug 10 13:19 windows12:30
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wm_eddieit changes to that when it's mounted.12:30
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wm_eddiehmm...12:30
david__I dont have permissions to view the contents of windows :S12:31
mike_wwm_eddie: as far as I know, yeah. Given the closed source nature of NTFS, I'd want it read only even if it could be supported rw12:31
icec2ok question, i thought i was going to update this new install to PR1 but according to Synaptic PM, the installed version is 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu312:31
icec2new install to firefox PR112:31
Aan93449how about the new hack? forgot it's name.. ntfs.sys wrapper for linux...seemd to work fine? 12:31
cyberveganhi - ubuntu/debian newb (but not linux newb) here.12:31
Dekkardhmm rythmbox just puked12:32
mike_wdavid__: try sudo chown david /mnt/windows12:32
mike_w(where david is your username)12:32
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wm_eddiemike_w: read onle remember?12:32
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icec2my question is anyone know the status of firefox 1.0PR.1?12:32
wm_eddieonly too.12:32
Dekkardare there ubuntu forums?12:32
david__david@ubuntu:~ $ sudo chown david /mnt/windows12:32
david__chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/windows': Read-only file system12:32
david__still cant get in :/12:33
wm_eddiefirefox 1.0PR pissed me off because they added backspace as the back button.12:33
homeasI'm recently converted do ubuntu/debian.  In my fedora install I tweaked modprobe.conf to choose which of my three soundcards was the first.  is there a debianite way of doing the same thing ?12:33
danielsDekkard: there are currently unofficial forums at http://ubuntuforums.org12:33
cybervegantrying to get sound configured on ubuntu runnuning on an ibm thinkpad 600x.  anyone have any ideas?  soundcard detected but no sound12:33
Dekkardthanks daiels12:33
Dekkarddaniels too12:33
SmokingFireI think my previous fstab had something like this: /dev/Y /mnt/windir ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 012:33
Dekkardlooks.. like one needs to install mp3 support eh!12:34
wm_eddiecybervegan: do you have alssaconf?12:34
mike_wdavid__: add uid=david to fstab12:34
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mike_w/dev/hda2       /mnt/storage    ntfs    defaults,ro,uid=mike   0       012:34
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C2H5OHgood evening everyone12:34
cyberveganjust checking...12:34
mike_wthen remount12:34
wm_eddiecybervegan: if you do, back up your modles.conf!12:34
david__mike_w: how can i edit fstab?12:34
mike_wsudo gedit /etc/fstab12:34
wm_eddiecybervegan: then run it and see if it works.12:34
Aan93449I am wondering why anyone would need more than two sound cards.12:34
SmokingFirefor read and write ntfs see this: http://freshmeat.net/projects/captive/12:34
mike_wmake sure you leave a blank line at the bottom of the file12:35
cybervegandon't have alsaconf... is there a package?12:35
david__eek .. its opened up an empty fstab12:35
wm_eddiecybervegan: alsa-utils but they removed alsaconf recently because it was buggy :(12:35
mike_wthat means the file didn't exist, and that is weird12:35
wm_eddiebecause of that I have no sound. 12:35
david__/home/david/ect/fstab is what its opened12:36
wm_eddiealsaconf discovers the IBM 600(E/X)'s sound card perfectly.12:36
mike_wtry cd / and then do it12:36
C2H5OHis there any story of a successful upgrade to Warty from Sid ?12:36
wm_eddiesigh, I must get to my homework12:36
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david__that one is blank too mike12:36
david__:012:36
wm_eddieDamnit, I need to beg them for alsaconf back!12:36
mike_wyou typint etc or ect?12:37
mike_wtypint = typing12:37
wm_eddieanyone know who manages the alsa-utils package?12:37
david__got it mike_w12:37
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david__what should i add ?12:38
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LinuxJoneswm_eddie, >> fabbione@fabbione.net12:38
mike_w/dev/sda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,ro,uid=david   0       012:38
wm_eddieLinuxJones: thanks.12:39
mike_wumount /dev/sda1 first though12:39
mike_wsorry, type 'sudo umount /dev/sda1' in the console first12:39
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mike_wthen change fstab and save it (making sure the spacing is rights)12:40
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mike_wthen sudo mount /dev/sda1 12:40
mike_wand let me know if it works so I can go to sleep :P12:40
david__david@ubuntu:~ $ sudo unmount /dev/sda112:42
david__sudo: unmount: command not found12:42
cybervegansorry had to leave the room (baby son kicking off).12:42
mike_wdavid__ not unmount, umount12:42
david__ah12:42
david__umount12:42
david__then fstab?12:42
david__then mount?12:42
mike_wyep12:42
cyberveganwm_eddie: any way to get hold of the right version (or a non-buggy on) ?12:42
david__mike_w thanns it appears to be working :)12:43
wm_eddiecybervegan: I'm e-mailing the guy about it, but check out what I found! http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html12:43
wm_eddieI think it might be possible to use this...12:43
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mike_wdavid__: a pleasure, glad to be of help. If you reboot, it should now automatically mount as well...12:43
david__:)12:43
wm_eddiecybervegan: I'm not using 2.6 though, because APM doesn't work.12:44
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wm_eddieI think I should report that bug...12:45
cyberveganwm_eddie: thanx... looking now12:45
wm_eddiecybervegan: but alsaconf is mostly not needed anymore.12:45
wm_eddiejust for us loosers with old laptops...12:45
wm_eddiethat last longer than most of my friends new laptops have. 12:45
wm_eddiehahaha12:45
mike_wleast you got a laptop :P12:46
wm_eddie1999 and still going strong!12:46
mike_wsee y'all later...12:46
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wm_eddieI have to do a dist-upgrade on my laptop.12:46
tiagobugarinjayeola: thanks man! for all help...12:47
tiagobugarin:)12:47
Dekkardany devs here?12:48
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cyberveganwm_eddie: ok, where's conf.modules live on ubuntu then?12:51
wm_eddieI think conf.modules is depreciated... I'm checking to see if it works verbatim12:52
wm_eddieI think we'll have to change it to modules.conf...12:52
wm_eddieHopefully rcS.d will work.12:52
crimsunyeah, don't use conf.modules12:52
cyberveganwm_eddie: is ubuntu standard sysv init?12:53
wm_eddiemodules.conf then?12:53
saw27I think I'm seeing a bug in the Printers dialog box. Anyone want to check whether it happens for them too?12:53
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wm_eddiehehe, the kernel yelled at me.12:53
wm_eddieok rc2.d is where I should put it.12:53
wm_eddiewow init is really yelling at me.12:54
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swimhey folks Im trying to install java as per: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian    but I get to #13 and cannot do: "apt-get install java-compiler-dummy.control12:55
swimhelp?12:55
wm_eddieswim: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list he has a java repository.12:56
WW_swim: It says equivs-build, not apt-get install.12:56
cyberveganwm_eddie: thanx... have to check that later... error loading cs4232 dev not found, but i'verun out of time.12:57
swimww_ equivs-build not for my version12:57
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swimwm_eddie, is that for amd64 as well?12:58
wm_eddieswim: probably not12:58
swim thats what I need it for12:59
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swim... anybody?12:59
WW_Sorry, I haven't tried it, so I won't be insulted if you ignore me, but... where does it say to apt-get install java-compiler-dummy.control ?01:00
MyKq3????? ?? ???? ??? SPIM?01:01
swimWW_, right on top of number 13 as a note01:01
WW_swim: I don't see the ".control" in there.01:01
Kosaiswim: Neither do I.01:02
swimWW_, right, I tried it without .control with the same issue01:02
Dekkardsorry to bug.. lookin for a mp3 codec??01:02
Kosaiswim: I think you should paste exactly what it tells you to run, and then tell us what the error is.01:02
WW_swim: Just checking... do you have java-common installed?01:02
KosaiInstead of typing stuff you don't understand in and asking why it doesn't work.  :)01:02
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swimI get this error: E: Couldn't find package java-compiler-dummy01:03
swimWW_, I followed the steps exactly from number 101:04
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WW_swim: Sorry again for asking the obvious: Did you do the step before step 1, just above "Install java sdk"01:04
KosaiI wonder what "NOTE: if you are OSUOSL.." means.01:04
Kosai(Since, if you're not, you shouldn't be following that part of step 13.)01:04
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swimWW_, hmm I did not do that part01:05
WW_swim: Ah.01:05
swimbut wait01:05
WW_swim: It looks like that is also a required step.01:06
swimI do have java-common installed01:06
swimbut through synaptic java2-common is not available01:06
WW_swim: java2-common is in universe.01:07
swimah let me try then01:07
tiagobugarinanyone knows how to get connected to a mac os x??01:09
swimcan I use a rpm file in ubuntu?01:10
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dasmi_2I love how freenode always has what I'm looking for :)01:10
dasmi_2Anways, Hi, i'm installing Ubuntu as I type this01:11
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raphaWHEEEW!01:11
WW_swim: Well, in theory, maybe, by using alien--but I've never done it.  What rpm do you have?01:11
raphaIiii'm backinthegame!01:11
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swim?01:12
swimWW_, realplayer, need to listen to a .smil file01:12
dasmi_2Has anyone had any luck installing Ubuntu on new Dell laptops?01:12
wm_eddieswim: what about the realplayer 10 installer?01:12
dasmi_2Newish, rather01:12
wm_eddieswim: you don't need an RPM.01:12
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swimwm_eddie, oh I didnt see the bin01:13
wm_eddieswim: run it as root, and install to /opt/RealPlayer01:13
dasmi_2I'm try to decide between Mandrake 10.1 and Ubuntu for my Dell Inspiron 8600.01:13
wm_eddiedasmi_2: Ubuntu01:13
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WW_swim: Did the java install finally work?01:13
dasmi_2Mandrake claims to support the Centrino wireless functions well, does anyone know how Ubuntu will handle it?01:13
swimWW_, havent finished yet about to try01:13
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dasmi_2ubuntu is booting on my old compaq box! whee!01:14
dasmi_2erm I need more ram for it.01:14
swimWW_, damn still the same error...01:14
Kosaidasmi_2: I find ubuntu so much more pleasant that I'd probably try the install on that first, and only ditch it for Mandrake if a significant effort still couldn't get it working.01:15
tiagobugarinanyone knows how to get connected to a mac os x??01:15
xzgvdasmi_2: install icewm/blackbox01:15
ixussamba?01:15
dasmi_2xzgv, I think I will, once I get my network up.01:15
KosaiActually, I don't think I'd ditch it at all, and would just keep playing with the kernel.  But, well, that's what I might do if I were someone else.01:15
wm_eddieThe thing with Mandrake is that urpmi mirros suck compared to Ubuntu's apt sources.01:15
dasmi_2wm_eddie, yes, that's true.01:15
amutiagobugarin: connect ? 01:15
tiagobugarinixus: samba is for windows. 01:15
Pizbitwm_eddie: That's one of the main reasons why I switched to debian:)01:15
xzgvdasmi_2: i'm using a PII with icewm/128 MB ram01:16
ixusI know - but I thought he wanted to network to os X01:16
wm_eddieIt's the main reason why I stopped using Mandrake.01:16
dasmi_2xzgv, this is a PII, 64MB RAM.01:16
dasmi_2300 MHz.01:16
rapha(dpa) According to reliable sources, a new virus is spreading on the internet. The software thought to be developed by a group of loosely-knit hackers around the world is called `Ubuntu' which is Zulu (an African language) and means as much as "Humanity to others". This new virus is unlike anyone we've seen before, says Bill Gates, owner of the once world-renowned software company Microsoft. He points out that `Ubuntu' does not only infect computers runni01:16
raphang Microsoft Windows, but virtually transforms them, and his claims have credibility: this writer is already using it.01:16
wm_eddieI tried Debian but I couldn't get it to work on my computer due to hardware issues.01:16
wm_eddieSo I had to use Gentoo...01:16
wm_eddiesince it supported Nvidia stuff out of the box.01:16
dasmi_2I can get some more ram from another box I think, which ought to help.01:17
tiagobugarinamu: yes, you know, get access one to another01:17
wm_eddieI'm glad the Gentoo nightmare is over though :)01:17
Zombwm_eddie: you mean, you did not manage to compile nvidia driver so you installed Gentoo?!?!01:17
Pizbitwm_eddie: Ahh, the new installer is much improved in that respect, hopefully unbuntu will be all I've heard it to be:)01:17
xzgvdasmi_2: you could also change the window manager in gnome from metacity to icewm by editing your ~/.gnomerc01:17
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robertjheya all01:17
dasmi_2Yes, that's true.01:17
robertjMy desktop's bork after a dist-upgrade01:18
robertjeverything else works but my desktop aint there01:18
swimWW_, any more ideas for me?01:18
amutiagobugarin: ssh ? 01:18
robertjactually it's all of nautilus01:18
dasmi_2First I need to get this thing up and running01:18
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wm_eddieZomb: it was nvnet01:18
dasmi_2God I need my router now!01:18
robertjnautilus just sits there01:18
Kosairobertj: Haven't heard of that.  File a bug, I guess.01:18
robertjtype nautilus at the terminal and it just sits there all quiet like01:18
wm_eddienautilus is more than just a file manager.01:19
PizbitTry killing off all copies of nautilus?01:19
WW_swim: Sorry, nothing comes to mind.  Are you trying the "equivs-build" version of step 13?01:19
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robertjwm_eddie: it manages the desktop right?01:20
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amutiagobugarin: sharing files from your os x, you could do it with samba 01:21
swimWW_, I get command not found01:22
tiagobugarinamu: i would prefer to use nfs for exemple01:22
icec2question to anyone:  How do I turn the ftp daemon on with ubuntu?  :)01:22
tiagobugarinamu: samba do not get installed with ubuntu. believe it??01:23
jdubicec2: just install one.01:23
icec2jdub: hmm according to the package manager it is installed :/01:23
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icec2jdub: ftp localhost gives me a connection refused01:23
Keybukicec2: you installed proftpd?01:23
icec2ah.01:24
icec2no01:24
jdubicec2: what did you install?01:24
Keybukwhich did you install?01:24
amutiagobugarin: well, nfs sucks, the better way is samba, i'm not sure if osx supports nfs  01:24
icec2"ftp" was installed...meaning the client01:24
swimanybody get java installed on ubuntu x86_64 ?01:24
WW_swim: Do have all of the packages installed from "step 0"?  kaffe equivs java-common java2-common01:24
icec2no daemon is installed01:24
jdubosx supports nfs01:24
Keybukjdub: which is the "supported" FTP server?01:24
icec2installing proftpd now01:25
swimWW_, damn sorry I just figured it was apt-get and skipped that01:25
Keybukicec2: vsftpd is the supported one01:25
amutiagobugarin: smbfs is supported with ubuntu  01:25
tiagobugarinamu: installing samba now. anything else the 'aptt-get install samba'?01:25
Keybuk(sorry, I got confused :p)01:26
icec2hmmm... 01:26
swimWW_, duh of course I didnt have either installed01:26
icec2Keybuk: proftpd is working now...so I'll stick with it for now :)01:26
icec2Keybuk: gonna uninstall it once i xfer these files from work... I prefer using scp01:26
jsubl2swim i believe the debiam-amd64 howto has info on that01:26
amutiagobugarin: apt-cache search samba01:26
wm_eddiedamn, I have no idea how to get sound working without alsaconf :(01:27
icec2I really should just run sshd on port 21 as well01:27
swimjsubl2, yah Im following it01:27
Keybukwm_eddie: it should be automatic01:27
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tiagobugarinamu: if smbfs is installed why it says it is not at gnome 2.8?01:28
wm_eddieKeybuk: Yeah, well the automatic stuffs are wrong.01:28
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icec2Keybuk, jdub: thanks for your help01:29
Keybukwrong in what way?01:29
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robertj_ack, nautilus is now working but my panel is repeatedly crashing :01:29
robertj_:(01:29
wm_eddieKeybuk: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html01:29
fughidabowitcan someone point me to that NVidia/ATI 3d card walkthrough page01:30
fughidabowiti lost the url01:30
wm_eddieAlsaconf knows that this card needs to run in cs4232 emulation mode.01:30
LinuxJoneshave a look @ this >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto01:30
wm_eddieand the link I posted uses old things. I have no idea how to get it working...01:30
fughidabowitexactly what i was looking for01:30
fughidabowitthank you sir01:30
Keybukwm_eddie: what module do *you* get loaded ?01:30
LinuxJones;)01:30
wm_eddienone01:31
Keybukwm_eddie: file a bug with the output of "lspci -n" and note what module you think should get loaded for your soundcard; it sounds like hotplug isn't picking it for you01:31
Keybukhmm01:31
Keybukactually01:32
Keybuklooking at that page, that's an ISA card, isn't it?01:32
wm_eddieKeybuk: yup01:32
wm_eddienon pnp01:32
swimWW_, ! worked I just had to follow the steps exactly from the begining which should have been obvious01:32
WW_swim: Nice.01:32
LinuxJonesswim, LOL01:32
wm_eddiewell, I think the CS 4610 is a pnp card. but it has an emulation mode for cs4232 ISA.01:33
wm_eddieWhich I have to use.01:33
Keybukwm_eddie: ok.  create /etc/modprobe.d/cs4232 and put the lines you would put in /etc/conf.modules in there01:33
wm_eddieok01:33
Keybukthen add cs4232 to /etc/modules01:33
Keybuk(I don't know why alsaconf would help, the URL you quoted is for OSS not ALSA)01:34
wm_eddieKeybuk: I've gotten sound working long ago with alsaconf.01:35
wm_eddiein SuSE 8.201:35
wm_eddieAfter nearly 24 hours of reading documents and manuals I stuble upon a "run alsaconf and see"01:36
wm_eddieand it worked beautifully.01:37
jayeolaheh01:37
wm_eddieI was both relieved and upset.01:37
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wm_eddieKeybuk: I'm sure it does, but this card is an exception.01:37
LinuxJoneswm_eddie, have you downloaded the source from the alsa homepage and tried to compile from source ?01:38
Keybukcan you paste me the output of 'lspci -n' in a /msg ?01:38
swimWW_, having a problem with step 14 now, when I run that first command, nothing happens just sits there01:38
wm_eddieYou see, it's *not* a CS4232 card, it's a CS4610 card.01:38
Keybukwm_eddie: yeah, but if the cs4232 module supports it, it should declare that01:38
wm_eddieKeybuk: that would be hard, since My laptop isn't connected to the internet.01:38
WW_swim: Darn, I thought when you said it worked you meant the whole thing! :-)01:38
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Keybukwm_eddie: ok, there will be one line which will say Class xxxx: 630e:yyyy - what's the yyyy?01:39
wm_eddieI don't see a 630e :(01:40
swimany ideas WW_ ?01:40
Keybukwm_eddie: what about 1013:yyy ?01:40
WW_swim: Step 14 is a single command.  Did you type it that way?01:40
swimoh no I didnt01:40
swimWW_, ahh :P01:41
wm_eddieKeybuk: Class 0401: 1013:6001 (rev 01)01:41
WW_swim: Strange that the comment in step 14 says "You should now have 5 packages...", but the command only installs 4.01:42
Keybukwm_eddie: hotplug should detect that as a CS 46xx and load the snd-cs46xx driver for it?01:42
wm_eddieIn theory.01:42
swimWW_, I didnt even notice that01:42
swimWW_, step 16 is just "sudo java" ?01:42
Keybukdoes that driver not work for your card?01:43
wm_eddieI don't believe it does.01:43
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Keybukwm_eddie: if you 'modprobe snd-cs46xx' do you get sound?01:43
wm_eddieIf it did I should hear sound without modifying a thing right?01:43
WW_swim: Sounds right to me... but don't forget, I haven't actually tried this yet. 01:43
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swimWW_, yes but your saner then I am :)01:44
Keybukwm_eddie: you might have to turn the volume up :o)  run 'alsamixer' if the modprobe works but you still don't get sound, and check your volume isn't set at zero01:44
wm_eddie"/path/to/snd-cs46xx.o: init_module: No such device01:44
Keybukwm_eddie: how interesting01:44
swimWW_, step 17, I add those to /etc/profile ?01:44
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wm_eddieKeybuk: I would check the volume if I could01:45
raphaWHOA!01:45
wm_eddieexcept I see "No such device"01:45
wm_eddie(when I run alsamixer)01:45
raphaI wouldn't have imagined there are THAT many high-quality games for Linux01:45
wm_eddierapha: Doom3....01:45
Keybukyou have a PCI card, which a driver claims to support, and yet it won't load01:45
wm_eddieKeybuk: It's strange. isn't it?01:46
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wm_eddieBut, if I can get it to use cs4232 it'll work perfect. 01:46
raphawm_eddie: Although that only runs with two specific graphic cards, doesn't it?01:46
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wm_eddierapha: All nvidia's can run it.01:46
WW_swim: Yes.  Or, as it says, the .bash_profile in you home directory.01:46
WW_your*01:47
wm_eddierapha: put it on the lowest graphic setting, and it might work.01:47
raphaKeybuk: My friend installed Ubuntu using an external monitor now; I filed a bug01:47
raphaWHOA!01:47
Keybukwm_eddie: well, the existing instructions are fine if you replace /etc/conf.modules and /etc/modules.conf with /etc/modprobe.d/<filename>  and remember to add the right driver to /etc/modules01:47
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wm_eddieKeybuk: I tried that :(01:47
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Keybukwm_eddie: what happened when you did the modprobe ?01:48
wm_eddieok, so I have the modprobe.d/cs4232 file01:48
wm_eddieand the cs4232 in the modules file01:48
raphawm_eddie: But what's strange is that Quake III won't run anymore. It did run in software (veeery slowly), but now (with the nvidia driver) it just gives me a black screen and has to be kill -9'ed...01:48
Keybukwm_eddie: now run 'modprobe cs4232'01:48
swimwm_eddie berfore I reboot, trying to install my realplayer10.bin, I just do a ./realplayer10.bin right?01:48
wm_eddieswim: chmod 755 realplayer10.bin 01:49
wm_eddiethen ./realplayer10.bin01:49
wm_eddieas root.01:49
swimok thanks wm_eddie01:49
wm_eddieKeybuk: cs4232: Must set io, irq, and dma.01:49
wm_eddiethen the init_module: No such device...01:49
swimwm_eddie, install it in /opt/ ?01:50
mariohi, i setup my iptables by hand and then i try save rules with /etc/init.d/iptables save but this script not exist :(01:50
Keybukwm_eddie: and you definitely have a file in /etc/modprobe.d with a line beginning "options cs4232" that sets the io, irq and dma ?01:50
wm_eddieswim: that's a safe place to put it.01:50
MojoPetewill apt-get update / apt-get upgrade update my system to the RC?01:51
swimwm_eddie, so just /opt/realplayer ok?01:51
LinuxJones MojoPete, yes01:51
wm_eddieKeybuk: affirmative.01:51
wm_eddieswim: no.01:51
MojoPetelj: thnx01:51
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Mikelevelhi01:52
LinuxJones;)01:52
wm_eddieswim: The installer will ask you to put links to /usr/local/bin/ answer yes, and then give it the directory of your mozilla installation. and you are done.01:52
swimwm_eddie, its asking: Enter the complete path to the directory where you want01:52
swimRealPlayer to be installed.01:52
mariowhat package include /etc/init.d/iptables script?01:52
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wm_eddieswim: /opt/RealPlayer/01:53
LinuxJonesmario, isn't it iptables-save ?01:53
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marioLinuxJones, i use iptables-save /var/lib/iptables/active01:53
mariobut how restore this on startup?01:53
wm_eddiegah, there better have been a good reason to remove alsaconf...01:54
marioa restore by hand using: iptables-restore /var/lib/iptables/active && echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward01:54
wm_eddieKeybuk: The fact that I'm running 2.4 has nothing to do with this right?01:56
LinuxJonesmario, I usually just load my firewall rules to a script in /etc/init.d/ then run @ boot time.01:56
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Keybukwm_eddie: uh, why are you running 2.4 ?!01:56
wm_eddieKeybuk: Because APM doesn't work in 2.6!01:57
Keybukwm_eddie: "doesn't work" in what respect ?01:57
wm_eddieAs in, doesn't work at all.01:57
Keybukdoes it work if you add "apm" to /etc/modules ?01:58
raphaAnyway, I'll go to bed... g'night all!01:58
wm_eddieIf I force it, I still can't get battery stats, and sleep causes the screen to go all strange colors.01:58
KeybukUbuntu really isn't optimised for 2.4 -- a lot of the hardware detection relies on the 2.6 hotplug stuff01:59
[no] weaverI've got an Apple Cinema 20" Display (the new one), but can't get it to work under Ubuntu. It's all black. I used to run SuSE 9.1, and it worked after I reprobed the system, but the minute I quit KDE it went black again. I've searched high and low for any solutions, but so far without any luck. Somene here with a bright idea as to what I should do? To add to all this, I'm not an experienced Linux user.01:59
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wm_eddieKeybuk: I'm trying adding apm to /etc/modules01:59
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wm_eddieKeybuk: when it tries cs4232 it gives me the same "You must set io..." error even in 2.602:01
Keybukwm_eddie: does the snd-cs46xx driver get detected and loaded in 2.6 ?02:02
swimdamn, I had to reboot, anyways after installing java I managed to install my freecol.deb , and now... when I try to run it I get this: http://pastebin.com/11038502:02
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wm_eddieKeybuk: yes.02:03
|trey|I thought discover1 _was_ for 2.4  :/02:03
Dekkardso far everything works..cept rhythmbox...which i may remove02:03
wm_eddieand modprobe cs46xx works.02:03
wm_eddiebut alsamixer says No such device again...02:03
|trey|Dekkard: have to add codecs... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad02:03
|trey|From Universe though.02:03
Keybukwm_eddie: cs46xx and snd-cs46xx are different drivers; which did you modprobe?02:04
wm_eddieI modprobed cs46xx but the kernel already loaded snd-cs46xx02:04
swimwm_eddie, damn get this error when running realplay: /opt/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:04
wm_eddiedo you have libgdk 2.0?02:05
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Keybukwm_eddie: try taking the cs4232 out of /etc/modules, then reboot ... when it comes back up, do an lsmod and see if snd-cs46xx is in there02:05
wm_eddieok.02:06
wm_eddieapm still doesn't work though.02:06
swimwm_eddie, umm in synaptic I only list libgdk-imlib-ruby1.6 , libgdk-pixbuf-dev , and other libgdk-pixbuf- stuff02:06
swimnone install02:07
swimed02:07
wm_eddiewhat about gdk?02:08
wm_eddiehmm.. if you are running gnome, you should have gdk...02:08
swimI get gdk-imlib1 , and gdk-imlib1-dev02:08
wm_eddieKeybuk: It says that it loaded snd-cs46xx sucessfully, but alsa can't find any soundcards.02:10
wm_eddieswim: try the imlib..02:10
Keybukwm_eddie: did you change anything else trying to get the other driver working?02:10
Keybukwm_eddie: try dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base02:11
WW_swim: Sorry, that locale error is beyond me.02:11
wm_eddieok did that.02:12
SmokingFireHow do a kill an app?02:12
wm_eddieis there a step 2?02:12
wm_eddieSmokingFire: killall name_of_app02:12
wm_eddieuse it sparingly02:12
SmokingFirewm_eddie: ok, thanks02:12
wm_eddieor pressing the X on a window a couple of times.02:12
wm_eddieGnome will eventually ask you if you want to kill the unresponding program.02:13
Keybukwm_eddie: cat /etc/alsa/modutils/1.0  and look for a line like "alsa snd-card-0 snd-cs46xx", is there one?02:13
SmokingFirewm_eddie: the problem is thats its rythmbox and its only in the tray02:13
WW_swim: Oh, and I just check my /usr/lib directory.  libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 is there, but I'm not sure which package provides it.02:13
WW_apt experts: what's the fastest way to find out which packages provides a file?02:13
goatboyswim: if that's a 32bit  realplayer you'll need a 32bit version of every lib it depends on.02:14
SmokingFirewm_eddie: BTW if I don't know the name of the app, how do I find out?02:14
goatboyWW_: dpkg -S <filename>02:14
swimgoatboy, oh crap02:14
wm_eddieSmokingFire: top maybe02:14
wm_eddieKeybuk: ooo lookie, I'm running alsa 0.9 :)02:15
SmokingFirewm_eddie: wait double clicking on system monitor allows me to do it the windows way02:15
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swimhmm I do have libgdk stuf in /usr/lib02:15
wm_eddieSmokingFire: that works too.02:15
Keybukwm_eddie: uh, Ubuntu doesn't *come* with alsa 0.902:15
wm_eddieKeybuk: I had to change it to work with 2.4 I think.02:15
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SmokingFireSo any graphical tool for services/daemons managment?02:16
Keybukwm_eddie: you know those people who hold the trigger of a machine-gun down while pointing down, and then wonder why their foot doesn't work anymore? :p02:16
KeybukSmokingFire: installed daemons start, uninstalled ones don't02:16
WW_goatboy: Thanks.02:17
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wm_eddieKeybuk: this all happened because they removed alsaconf02:17
wm_eddie(and alsaconf freezed on my in the first place.)02:17
Keybukbut alsaconf is useless02:17
SmokingFireyes but I just want to see what I have installed. When booting I see PMCIA (laptop?) and in the task managment I see evolution-alarm-notify, which I don't need.02:17
Keybukit's a buggy, out-of-date tool that has been replaced by other things02:17
wm_eddieKeybuk:  But these things can't get my sound card working...02:18
Keybukfrom what I can tell, your sound card would work perfectly well under 2.602:18
Keybukhotplug detects it, picks a driver that matches your card (and claims to actually support it), I can't see any outstanding bugs against that alsa driver, etc.02:18
wm_eddieSo what you are saying is that after a fresh Ubuntu install, it should work out of the box?02:20
Keybukyeah I can't see any reason why not, with the evidence so far02:22
wm_eddieWell it didn't.02:23
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Keybukthat's nice :)02:23
wm_eddieThere's a reason why you have to trick it into using cs423202:23
wm_eddieI don't know what it is..02:23
wm_eddiebut you have to.02:23
Keybukif you compiled your own older version of alsa. why don't you use the alsaconf that came with that?02:24
wm_eddieI didn't compile an older version of alsa.02:25
Keybukthen how did you get 0.9 ?02:25
wm_eddiehmm...02:25
lifelessKeybuk: asking the hard questions :)02:25
wm_eddiealsactl says it is 1.0.5... but I have /etc/alsa/0.9/alsa02:25
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wm_eddie"hence why I thought I had 0.9"02:26
WW_swim: Still here?02:26
swimWW_, yup02:26
Keybukand where did you get the alsa modules from for 2.4? :)02:26
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swimWW_, whats up?02:27
WW_swim: Just FYI: libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 is provided by the package libgtk2.0-0.02:27
WW_swim: (but maybe you figured that out by now...)02:27
Keybukalsa-utils 1.0 still creates /etc/alsa/0.902:27
Keybukthere's probably some mystic reason why02:27
swimWW_, oh no I have not, thank you02:27
Keybuk(as in the developers myst-ic)02:28
wm_eddieKeybuk: Maybe I should compile my own alsa...02:28
wm_eddieBut if most people don't have to use alsaconf, why remove it?02:29
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wm_eddiedamn... cs4232 soundcard not found...02:30
wm_eddieI'm getting tired of this not found error...02:30
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Keybukwm_eddie: security problems with it, mostly02:31
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wm_eddie:(02:34
Keybukwm_eddie: if you follow the instructions for ALSA on the SuSE site linked on that page, does it work?02:34
wm_eddieI'm trying that now.02:35
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pixelmonkeyhas anyone here compiled XOrg for Ubuntu?02:35
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Keybukpixelmonkey: daniels, I'm sure :)02:36
wm_eddiealthough it says not to modify modules.conf directly so I'm adding this to /etc/modutils/alsa-base02:36
Keybukwm_eddie: I'd modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa :o)02:36
Keybuk(because that's the one that actually matters :p)02:36
pixelmonkeyI noticed that Ubuntu doesn't install gcc, bison and flex by default... is there anything else I need to install to compile Xorg?02:37
swimis there some sort of download manager for linux?02:37
pixelmonkeyalso, more general question, does Ubuntu have galeon packages at all?  I can't seem to find them in universe or in warty02:37
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wm_eddieKeybuk: ok02:37
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: You an artist?02:38
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, no, why?02:39
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Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: screen name02:39
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, ah, no.  My nick reflects how most of what we do nowadays is push pixels around the screen like monkeys :)02:40
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Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: trying to find someone to help with a Wacom drawing tablet that is stubbern as hell02:40
jeganwhat's the nickserv for this channel?02:40
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, I have a wacom tablet, but haven't yet ever attempted to get it working under Linux...02:41
pixelmonkeyI only use it rarely anyway02:41
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: is it USB?02:41
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, yep, I think it's the most generic Wacom USB tablet02:41
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: Well, good luck02:41
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, I remember researching and I saw that someone had written a driver for it for Linux.02:41
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: yes - the driver from hell02:42
pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, heh, well.  I think most artists don't use Linux, so the market isn't screaming02:42
wm_eddie god damnit...02:43
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: There are success stories, but I have not found any on a 2.6 kernel02:43
SmokingFirehey!02:43
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SmokingFireno swearing02:43
jeganhi, can someone pls tell me what the nick server is?02:43
wm_eddiejegan: uhh... nickserv?02:43
Keybukjegan: "NickServ"02:44
SmokingFireNickServ02:44
jeganok so it's not a specific hostname?02:44
jeganthanks02:44
SmokingFirejegan: Use gaim and auto nickserv your username + autologin channel02:44
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SmokingFirejegan: no just do /msg nickserv help02:44
Phr0stBytepixelmonkey: Do me a favor and see if you cant get yours goin.02:45
wm_eddieahh the pain...02:45
jeganah got it thanks02:46
wm_eddieI really want to use Ubuntu on this laptop.02:46
SmokingFireBTW: Whats the purpose of the livecd? Has it rescue abilities?02:46
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pixelmonkeyPhr0stByte, I would if I could, but the tablet's not with me right now02:47
Keybukwm_eddie: if you can get the sound working in another distribution, there isn't any reason it won't work in ubuntu -- the kernel isn't that different02:47
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wm_eddieKeybuk: the other one had alsaconf magic :P02:49
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Keybukwm_eddie: apt-get source alsa-utils, build and run alsaconf if you like02:53
wm_eddieIt's there!?02:54
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Keybuksure, it's in the source, just not installed in the binary package02:54
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octalc0deARGH - what exactly was the point of making a tmpfs over /dev?02:55
Keybukapt-get source alsa-utils; cd alsa-utils*; debian/rules; ./alsaconf/alsaconf02:55
Keybuk                                                       ^ build02:55
octalc0dewhat i get from it is 1) half my /dev directory is not accessible, 2) it takes 5 seconds on bootup to do something useless, out of the box02:55
Keybukoctalc0de: udev.02:55
Keybuk/dev is managed dynamically02:56
octalc0dekeybuk: advantages of this being? i can't access half my /dev directory02:56
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Keybukoctalc0de: your /dev directory automatically reflects what hardware you have installed02:57
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Keybukrather than having 2,000 entries, you just have the 20 or so that actually apply to your system02:58
Keybukplus it allows the over-committed major/minor number scheme to be changed to a dynamically allocated one in future02:58
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octalc0dehrm, but i'm still having problems accessing a USB mass storage device02:58
octalc0deit seems to hide my /.dev/sg*02:59
Keybukmodprobe sg.ko03:00
Keybukuh, modprobe sg03:00
Keybuk:p03:00
octalc0debigamd:/usr/src/linux# modprobe sg03:00
octalc0debigamd:/usr/src/linux# ls /dev/sg*03:00
octalc0dels: /dev/sg*: No such file or directory03:00
Keybukoctalc0de: try sd_mod as well03:01
octalc0debigamd:/usr/src/linux# modprobe sd_mod03:01
octalc0debigamd:/usr/src/linux# ls /dev/s03:01
octalc0desequencer   shm         sndstat     stdin03:01
octalc0desequencer2  snd         stderr      stdout03:01
Keybukyou sure you've got a device plugged in?03:01
octalc0descsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices03:01
octalc0de  Vendor: Genesys   Model: USB to IDE Disk   Rev: 000203:01
octalc0de  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 0203:01
Keybukis there a following line for the allocation of an sXy ?03:01
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Keybukpixelmonkey: linux-source-* packages03:02
pixelmonkeyKeybuk, gracias ;)03:02
octalc0depixelmonkey: yeah, that annoyed me too03:02
Keybukoctalc0de: you should also see a line like "kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0"03:02
pixelmonkeyoctalc0de, there aren't many people I know who don't have to recompile their kernel to get SOMETHING to work :)03:02
octalc0dekeybuk: hm, I don't =(03:03
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Keybukoctalc0de: do you know what module that needs?03:04
MojoPetei wanted to disallow all execpt local logins - is that just a -:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL in /etc/security/access.conf?03:05
octalc0dekeybuk: I thought that went under USB Mass Storage, which is compiled in?03:05
Keybukoctalc0de: it isn't compiled in... that's the usb-storage module03:05
octalc0dei'm rolling my own kernel here though03:05
octalc0dethis doesn't work on the stock kernel either though =(03:06
Keybuk2.6 ?03:06
octalc0deyes03:06
Keybukwhen the kernel allocates a device for it, you should see the appropriate node automatically appear in /dev03:06
Keybukbut it doesn't look like the kernel's allocating a device for it03:06
bronsonFWIW, I managed to install from Knoppix.03:09
bronsonhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/InstallFromKnoppixHowto03:10
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whiprusheveryone smile for a screenshot!03:17
sn0wman:D03:18
wm_eddie:)03:18
Phr0stByteV =P V03:18
octalc0de:D03:18
lupin_the_3rd:()03:18
octalc0de=}03:18
theantix:-) :-)03:19
MojoPete#8^)03:19
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DekkardAway: ( t.v ) | Since: ( Thu Oct 14 17:19:19 2004 ) Xlack v1.7.203:19
Dekkardsorry03:19
wm_eddieman... not even alsaconf is working...  There must be a bigger problem...03:19
wm_eddieIt says can't find the card...03:20
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ritalinhello03:21
Phr0stByte(Slowly, the realization creeps into wm_eddie's brain that he has just gone deaf...)03:21
sn0wmanlol03:21
octalc0dehuh03:21
octalc0decat /proc/dev/usb/devices hangs03:21
wm_eddiewhat in the world could be wrong...03:22
octalc0deuh s/dev/bus/03:22
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Keybukwm_eddie: . o O ( your soundcard? )03:22
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sn0wmanwm_eddie, lspci |grep audio03:22
MyKq3can i add my mounted drives to the "computer:" on Gnome03:23
ritalinhow you guyys doing03:23
sn0wmanMyKq3, yeah, if you add them to /etc/fstab03:23
ritalinim downloading ubuntu now :P03:23
MyKq3sn0wman,  i have done that but i don't c them on the "computer:"03:24
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MyKq3if i want to enter them i need to go to /mnt/03:24
Hydroxidehi ... quick question for any canonical devs paying attention: am I right in thinking that warty is going to be releasing tomorrow? I seem to recall that as being the plan03:24
sn0wmanMyKq3, mount them in /media03:24
wm_eddiesn0wman: I see my sound card.03:25
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wm_eddie/etc/init.d/alsa stop isn't really doing anything...03:25
MyKq3sn0wman,  so i need to recrate the folder and all ?03:25
MyKq3so = do 03:25
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sn0wmanMyKq3, yeah03:26
sn0wmanwm_eddie, can you use alsamixer?03:26
MyKq3sn0wman,  thanks03:26
sn0wmanMyKq3, np :)03:26
wm_eddiesn0wman: nope03:26
wm_eddie"No such device"03:27
WW_Hydroxide: I'm not a canonical dev, but I've heard the release schedule.  Release Candidate: Oct 13; Final Release Oct 20.03:27
HydroxideWW_: thanks.03:28
HydroxideWW_: is that the same for all architectures?03:28
wm_eddieOk, I'm going to reboot.03:28
ritalingood luck03:28
ritalinmay the swartz be with you03:28
WW_Hydroxide: I assume so, but I'm sure someone here would know better.03:29
Hydroxide*nod*03:29
MyKq3how can i remove a Dir from the terminal?03:29
normnmilesrm -r dir03:30
MyKq3normnmiles,  thanks03:32
normnmilesnp03:32
wm_eddieHow is this possible?03:32
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wm_eddiebut I have to say, 2.6 is much faster than 2.403:32
wm_eddieok...  I know this soundcard works...03:33
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sn0wmanoh03:33
sn0wmanwm_eddie, you probably haven't tested your card with alsa03:34
sn0wmanwm_eddie, if you're a former 2.4 user03:34
salamhey peeps.. i got a problem here.. i tried to install a dual boot.. xp and ubuntu.. i used grub as the boot manager.   but when i reboot, it don't get to the second stage of grub.. anyone else have this problem?03:34
wm_eddiewhat do you mean?03:34
sn0wman2.4 didn't include alsa03:34
sn0wmanonly oss03:34
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wm_eddiesn0wman: yes, but my card did work after running alsaconf.03:35
wm_eddieso I assure you it works with alsa.03:35
sn0wmanoh, ok03:35
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sn0wmank03:35
steveoddoes anyone get an error when trying to burn a cd that they need to insert blank media, even though it is blank03:35
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salamnoone..  i can't be the only one. ;)03:36
ushoozsteveod, yep, have not tried since. I have not tried on the laptop. But my desktop has that proble, Desktop has Dual DVD one is a DVD Burner03:36
steveodushooz, burning cds has become a real problem in linux, i even tried to use the ide-scsi, which i know is depreciated and that failed because of missing modules03:37
steveodnot sure what to do03:38
ushoozsteveod, SuSE works great with K3b. I have had the most success in Linux with that combo. But anymore I use one of my Macs to burn DVD/CDs anymore03:38
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ushoozKernel 2.6.8 has broken a lot of CD burners03:39
steveodushooz, never used k3b, normally i just use cdrecord via the command line03:39
ushoozthey tweaked atapi in 2.6.803:40
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=== Phr0stByte just burned his first video DVD via command line =)
jayeolai'm trying to use regular expressions to list only files starting with a letter03:41
wm_eddieahh the slowness of KDE...03:41
jayeola^[:alpha:]  should look for the start of a line starting with a letter03:41
jayeolanot working...03:41
steveodwell so far cdrecord is working but it has done this recently only to spit out a coaster03:41
jayeolalisting everything03:41
jayeolasteveod: cdrecord --scanbus03:42
ushoozsee if there is an updated cdrecord that supports 2.6.8 is what I would suggest03:42
steveodjayeola, i know the device via cdrecord, it is burning right now just they are not turning out right03:42
steveodand of course nautilus won't work03:42
jayeolathen cdrecord dev=x,x,x --dummy blah blah blah03:42
ushoozblame 2.6.8 is what I say :)03:43
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jayeolause dummy first, it turns the laser off03:43
steveodushooz, i agree03:43
Phr0stByteNautilus burning works great here03:43
jayeolacdrecord works for me03:43
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steveodi am just going to try burning very slow, i wish i still had my 12x scsi writer03:44
steveodmistake getting rid of that03:44
jayeolaspeed=103:44
MyKq3when i m trying to install my quickcam i got  this error make: cc: Command not found03:44
acamargohum... finally! to install mysql support for php you need to include universe component to your source lists03:44
steveodwell 1 might be to slow, i will try 8 or something03:44
jkgany sound-juicer users about?03:44
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MyKq3when i m trying to install my quickcam i got  this error make: cc: Command not found ... now i know  that i have the make pacage installed do u have any idea what should i do ?03:46
steveodinstall gcc03:46
acamargoMyKq3, you need a C compiler03:46
steveodwhat does cc -v output?03:46
MyKq3steveod,  okay i have just ran aptget gcc03:47
jayeolaum, install a compiler03:47
tonyknowsnothingCan someone help me with cd burning in Ubunto?03:47
MyKq3i m installing it now.... i hop it will solve it 03:47
steveodtonyknowsnothing, that seems to be an issue, what is your problem?03:47
ushoozI am going to try to burn a CD on this laptop and see what happens03:48
steveodwell mine is working at 8x, kind of takes the point of a 48x writer away03:48
jayeolalaptops with cd burner, lucky sods!03:48
tonyknowsnothingI right click on an ISO...say write to disk...fine but then it says to insert a disc (which there is one in it). 03:49
steveodtonyknowsnothing, same problem here, i just burnt it via the command line03:49
tonyknowsnothingHow ...my name says it all...LOL03:50
steveodfor me it was cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc -data speed=8 warty_amd64.iso03:50
jkgaiee, scary voodoo, cd writing that doesn't involve arsing about with scsi emulation03:51
jkgtell me it ain't so!03:51
MyKq3did some one here tryed to install his webcam ....03:51
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steveodwell i can't get hdc=ide-scsi to work, so that is what i had to do03:51
wm_eddiesigh...03:53
MyKq3i have tryed to install my webcam with this file (http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/) i have quickcam express and when i m runnig the mack all stage i gets lotz of errors ...03:53
wm_eddiethere's definately something different in the kernel or something.03:53
ushoozsteveod, appears to work on the laptop. I will do a apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade on the desktop and see what happens03:53
steveodMyKq3, it might be an issue with gcc, sometimes stuff setup with pre 2.95 won't compile under 3.x03:55
ushoozdesktop is a little behind the times on updates compared to the laptop03:55
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tonyknowsnothingI was supposed to do that in the run box ...right?03:55
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gdarelGood day 03:55
WW_MyKq3: (catching up on the last few minutes of messages)  If you are going to be compiling/making/etc, apt-get install build-essential03:56
HoodsterHi all. I am new to Ubuntu. I have tried out the Ubuntu LiveCD and have a few simple questions.03:57
steveodMyKq3, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/qc-usb-source03:57
steveodnot sure if that will help, but it might03:57
HoodsterIs there a way in the liveCD to search for files and directories? For some reason, I cannot find a GUI search utility.03:58
steveodwell i am off to switch from x86 to amd64 version03:58
MyKq3steveod, yeah i have just found it 03:58
ushoozHoodster, under computer at the top left of the screen is a search dialog menu selection03:59
MyKq3though when i read about the pacage i understud that i need to compile it any way.... 03:59
MyKq3but were can i find it ? to compile it ?04:00
wm_eddieHoodster: Computer > search for files?04:00
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WW_MyKq3: qc-usb-source is in universe04:02
HoodsterPlease forgive me, but I don't recall that search being in the left hand corner of the screen. I am booting ubuntu now, to doublecheck.04:03
MyKq3WW_,  what so u mean by that ... i have all ready installed the qc-usb-source package with the Synaptic PM and in the discription it sayed "The qc-usb-source package is a skeleton for creating a kernel module04:04
MyKq3to drive Logitech's QuickCam Express webcam and other webcams with04:04
MyKq3similar chipsets" that means that i need to complie it m i right ?04:04
wm_eddiesigh 36 minutes...04:05
MyKq3sorry for the flood04:05
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jayeolanah04:05
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WW_MyKq3:  Sorry, I thought you might not know where to find the package. I'm not sure what to do with it.  Is there a README among the files that it installs?04:07
MyKq3no :\04:08
MyKq3i wish it had... but i think itz the same file as this one http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/04:08
HoodsterIn the Ubuntu LiveCD, there is no search option under the 'Applications' menu system that I can find. Perhaps I have an outdated liveCD, is this possible?04:09
MyKq3well it have the same name 04:09
jayeolaMyKq3: get a terminal, type 'tail -f  /var/log/messages'04:09
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jayeolathem plug the cam in and read the output04:09
WW_Hoodster: Look under Computer04:10
MyKq3jayeola,  u mean i should plug out the cam 1st 04:10
jayeolayeah, plug it out and wait for a while(2 mins)04:11
MyKq3Oct 15 04:11:08 ubuntu kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 404:11
HoodsterWW. Thanks for the reply. Under Computer there is Home, Desktop, Disks, Network, which just bring up a window that lists the contents but no search. 04:12
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jayeolaMyKq3: looks like it's seen a new deive04:12
jayeola-device-04:12
Se7hi've downloaded celestia04:12
Se7hbut i cant seem to get it working04:12
Se7h:|04:12
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MyKq3jayeola,  and whay does it means ....04:12
MyKq3jayeola,  oh yeah 04:13
gdarelHas anyone installed on a laptop?04:13
WW_Hoodster: I see.  There have been a lot of changes in the last week or so. On my system, after "Network" I have "Recent Documents" and "Search for files..." 04:13
elliot_yes, thinkpad t4004:14
gdarelI am a real noob and the install went great even KDE was a breeze but I cannot figure out how to get it to go to suspend mode04:14
gdarelIts an old Dell Insprion 04:14
elliot_not such a newb myself, but it's still tricky04:15
WW_Hoodster: I was told that a new LiveCD should be available tomorrow.04:15
HoodsterWW_: Thanks. I don't have that option. You have also confirmed that this is a non-issue with a more recent release and available in a new liveCD release. Fantastic!04:15
elliot_gdarel, if it's old, it may want apm instead of acpi to manage the suspend04:16
gdarelIs that a package I need to change?04:16
HoodsterOne last issue on this particular liveCD. The Device Manager option does not work. I noticed this was mentioned in the forums once. Has this been resolved in a newer release?04:17
elliot_two ways to manage power, apm and acpi04:17
elliot_have you googled for your model number?04:18
elliot_that's the easiest way to find out.04:18
gdarelDoes it make a differance if it works under Mandrake and Redhat?04:18
Keybukto be fair, acpi suspend isn't really that fully implemented in Linux right now04:19
elliot_maybe.  They might have better autodetection during setup?04:19
elliot_right04:20
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mystic0does anybody have monodevelop running?04:20
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Keybukmystic0: yup, I just installed it and it worked04:20
mystic0ok, cool04:21
gdarelwhere do I go to change the setting?04:21
mystic0Keybuk: from what location did you install it?  Did you have to add tseng's mono-repository to your sources.list?04:21
Keybukmystic0: from Debian04:21
mystic0Universe?04:22
Keybukno, Debian itsekf04:22
mystic0Keybuk: I don't understand.  Are you using ubuntu?04:22
Keybukyes04:22
mystic0so how did you install mono-develop04:23
tseng...04:23
mystic0from the debian resipiroty?04:23
wm_eddieWhen is Ubuntu going to add mono into Universe?04:23
Keybukecho "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install monodevelop; sed -i -e '/debian/d' /etc/apt/sources.list04:23
mystic0I thought universe was for everything, and main was for the Ubuntu package04:23
Keybukwm_eddie: mono 1.0 is in universe04:23
elliot_gdarel: I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how to switch between acpi/apm in ubuntu04:24
KeybukI assume monodevelop failed to build for some reason04:24
wm_eddieKeybuk: Well mono is in universe but it can't install.04:24
tsengbecause mono-mcs wouldnt build04:24
gdarelOK you pointed me in the right direction I will pop over and see if that helps04:24
tsengbecause mono-mcs is needed to build mono-mcs04:24
tsengand its not installed on the build hosts04:24
tsengits a bootstrap problem.04:25
mystic0I'm so confused.  Mono is in universe but monodevelop is not?  ANd what is universe? I thought it was *everything*, and was disabled by default.  What you are refering to as universe seems more like main04:25
tseng...04:25
Keybukmystic0: main is the supported set of Ubuntu packages04:25
wm_eddiemystic0: main is Ubuntu supported files.04:25
mystic0yes yes04:25
Keybukuniverse is everything else that is freely redistributable04:25
mystic0is universe the same as debian universe?04:25
Keybukmystic0: universe = debian main04:25
tsengthere is no debian universe04:25
mystic0so universe is what debian uses?04:26
Keybukmultiverse = debian contrib, non-free and anything else04:26
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wm_eddieKeybuk: there's a multiverse?04:26
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mystic0multiverse???04:26
mystic0is mono in main04:26
defendguinhas anyon else been having a problem with gnome freezing after gnome has fully finished starting up?04:27
Keybukno, mono is not a supported package in Ubuntu for warty04:27
Keybukmono is in universe04:27
mystic0ok04:27
Keybukthough, as pointed out, mono-mcs and monodevelop aren't due to build problems04:27
mystic0hm04:27
tsenggo read the mailinglist archives, add my repo, and move on with life04:27
HoodsterHow easy is it to break ubuntu by installing packages from universe?04:27
mystic0but wouldn't they be in universe anyway?  I thought universe was for Debian too, and surely Debian supports mono04:27
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KeybukHoodster: shouldn't break, but if it does you get to keep both bits04:28
Hoodster:)04:28
tsengmystic0: i didnt make the freeze04:28
Keybukmystic0: no, if we can't build them, we can't put the non-existant packages into universe :)04:28
Keybukuniverse isn't just a copy of the Debian archive, the packages are rebuilt on Ubuntu04:28
mystic0ohhhh04:28
mystic0i thought they were simply debian packages, untouched04:28
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ritalinwow04:28
wm_eddietseng: do you have beagle and dashboard?04:29
tsengno.04:29
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ritalinreally nice distro guys04:29
wm_eddieWill you some day?04:29
HoodsterKeybuk, so, packages from universe really should work with ubuntu, but no guarantees (hehe)04:29
wm_eddieI can't get them to build :/04:29
mystic0I suppose I will wait for everything to go to main before using it04:29
tsengwm_eddie: maybe..04:29
ritalini just installed it  like 10 min ago and already got it up and running04:29
mystic0is blender in main?04:29
KeybukHoodster: exactly.  they're not supported, so install at your own risk04:29
Keybuknotably no security updates04:29
Keybukmystic0: no, universe04:29
jdubwm_eddie: beagle and dashboard and so on need really bleeding edge software to work04:29
fughidabowithey everyone - I just insatlled ubuntu on my dad's PC (Dell Latitude) - i got the nvidia drivers installed however I cannot set the resolution above 640x48004:29
mystic0Keybuk: I need blender... does anybody have any luck using it?04:29
wm_eddieyeah, but beagle is amazing.04:29
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speelhey how is ubuntu linux .. im dling the live cd right now04:29
wm_eddiemystic0: I have it.04:29
fughidabowitits fast04:29
mystic0wm_eddie: how does it work?04:30
Pizbitfughidabowit: Did you update your xfree config?04:30
mystic0wm_eddie: no problems?04:30
elliot_speel: sweet, elegant, simple04:30
wm_eddiemystic0: not a single one, except I had to restart X for it to appear in the menu.04:30
mystic0wm_eddie: thanks04:30
MojoPetelocking down my ubuntu box for home use - do i need to have postfix daemon running?04:30
mystic0I am so happy that Ubuntu makes such good use of Gnome04:31
mystic0I love Gnome04:31
fughidabowitPizbit:  what exactly should i update in there04:31
mystic0finally a distro that actually uses it well04:31
jdubMojoPete: nothing listens on public interfaces04:31
KeybukMojoPete: nothing on Ubuntu should be listening by default (except on localhost) ... did you find something that did?04:31
elliot_gnome,  python, debian = heaven04:31
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wm_eddiemystic0: Ubuntu's Gnome is exceptionally beautiful.04:31
speelelliot_: whats do you like best about it?04:31
mystic0I simply love what they've done with the menus04:31
fughidabowitPizbit:  I ran the nvidia-glx-config enable is tahts what you are referring to04:31
mystic0I am a 6-month gentoo user04:31
wm_eddiemystic0: doesn't it feel great!?!04:32
Pizbitfughidabowit: Change the Drive "nv" to Driver "nvidia", add in Load glx , make sure there is no Load "dri" and Load "GLcore"04:32
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MojoPetekeybuk: no was just shutting off thing i knew i wouldn't use - so i can safely leave the default daemons running?04:32
Pizbitin (should be) /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 04:32
mystic0wm_eddie: to be honest, I am still downloading ubuntu.  But it does feel good to ditch all that compiling04:32
speeldoes ubuntu come with the nvidia drivers?04:32
jdubyes04:32
fughidabowitPizbit: aight, 1 second04:32
mystic0I think it's in restricted, no?04:32
jdubin restricted04:32
KeybukMojoPete: yup, the default daemons are minimal to keep a system running; and none of them listen to public networks04:32
jdubsee BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki04:32
speelhow would you go about installing them?04:32
MojoPetespeel: yup you can get them though synamptic04:32
KeybukMojoPete: postfix runs so it can delivery cron mail, and such04:32
Pizbitfughidabowit: Then simply restart X :)04:33
defendguinjdub, why can the ndiswrapper be in a repository?04:33
mystic0I hope ubuntu gets bigger and the website gets polished, with official forums like gentoo04:33
wm_eddiemystic0: the only problem is getting a couple of other repositories for Mono and Java and semi illegal media playing libs.04:33
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Se7hwoo05:56
Se7hthats odd05:56
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Se7hor not...05:57
defendguinlately my box will crash after gnome is finished fully loading05:57
Se7hu see a "Login:" right?05:57
wm_eddiedamnit, it says on the wiki that the sound should work with the snd-cs4236 driver!! :(05:57
wm_eddieI wish the guy who wrote that left some contact info.05:58
BobjSe7h, yes the last text on the screen is "Login:" but it is only there for a split second before the flicker/turnoff.05:58
wm_eddiehe says APM works.05:58
Se7hBobj ah, ok05:58
Se7hthats when the X tries to load it self05:58
GOwinwm_eddie. that's it? i'll try it when i get back home on my ibm laptop. the internal modem and ethernet doesn't work05:58
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fughidabowithas anyone installed MythTV in ubuntu?05:59
wm_eddieGOwin: what type is it?05:59
GOwinCEM56-100BTX05:59
Se7hBobj but does the monitor realy shuts down?05:59
chrismurffugh - no, but I'm looking for a good tv app06:00
GOwinthe laptop is an ibm 130006:00
chrismurfused tvtime before06:00
Parienteguys with network-admin thers not much i can do, i tryed: -dmesg | grep eth-  and -ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx. up- but don't know what to put on the numbres:xxx  and with -dhclient- it says: DHCPDISCOVER ON 255.255.255 port 67 interval xx- and  at the end it says: -failed to bring up eth0-06:00
BobjSe7h, yup - the little light goes from green to yellow.06:00
Se7hi mean, it should only go blank and then return to the console06:00
fughidabowitchrismurf: are there any deb packages for it?06:00
GOwinibm IBM 1161-91J06:00
Se7hhmmmm, try ctrl+alt+backspace when it happens06:01
Parienteso i realy don't know what else to do i'm quite new in LINUX.... :(06:01
wm_eddieDamn, my 600E is different than his.06:01
Se7hshould work but its a try06:01
Se7hthe other way06:01
BobjSe7h - I hit ctrl+alt+backspace and the monitor turned on for a couple of seconds then went dark again.06:01
Se7hctrl+alt+F506:01
Se7hBobj yes, thats the X restarting06:02
Se7hhit ctrl+alt+F506:02
Se7hto go to the console06:02
wm_eddiePariente: If it doesn't find eth0 automatically, then it's gonna get a little complicated. Until you find the answer, then you see how simple it was all this time! :)06:02
Se7hlogin to ur user06:02
wm_eddiethat's the Eddie Postulate of Linux Hardware Problems.06:02
Se7hand then06:02
Se7hsudo XFree86 -configure06:02
Se7htry to find at google your monitor vert/horiz syncs06:03
Se7hit'll come in handy06:03
BobjSe7h, ok I hit the keys a few more times and the monitor stayed on long enough to see that it was at the login prompt, but now I have a big blue screen and with a message about cannot start x server that it is likely to be a setup problem.  There is a server output to view.06:04
Se7hwhat keys did u hit ?06:04
Parientewhen the installation it says that it found the eth0 and asks for a name to be recognized in internet, then it says that everything is ok but at the end when i finaly run ubuntu it does?t work... :(06:05
Bobjthe ctrl+alt+backspace.  I've now logged in and am at the command line prompt.06:05
Se7hok06:05
Se7hnow06:05
BobjLet me try the sudo xfree86 -configure06:05
Se7hsudo XFree86 -configure06:05
chrismurfanybody have particularly good soundcard luck?06:06
jayeolanope06:06
Se7hchrismurf uh ?06:06
chrismurfI've having issues with it recognizing my Via 82xx onboard card06:06
jayeolanot for a laptop anyway06:06
BobjI'm getting a password prompt06:06
chrismurferr onboard chip06:06
chrismurfhad it working on Gentoo06:06
Se7hBobj write down the user password06:06
chrismurfI'm still getting used to this whole binary distro thing06:06
Se7hchrismurf is it a C-Media?06:07
Se7hif it is...i use my onboard soundcard also06:07
Se7hand...100%06:07
BobjI only setup one password during the install and I know what that is.  I tried it but it said command not found06:08
wm_eddieBobj: the root password is disabled, so that might be the problem.06:08
Se7hwm_eddie no06:08
Se7hsudo 06:08
Se7hwill ask for a pass06:09
Se7hthat pass is iqual to the user06:09
BobjEvery time I try the sudo command now I'm getting command not found.06:09
jayeolaping!06:09
wm_eddieBobj: try sudo su06:09
Se7hBobj past the console here06:09
Se7hjust 2lines06:10
Se7h*paste06:10
Se7hdid u write down XFree86 ?06:10
Se7hits case sensitive06:10
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Bobjbob@linux ~ $ sudo xFree86 - configure06:11
Bobjsudo: xFree86: command not found06:11
Se7hX not x06:11
wm_eddieit should be $ sudo XFree86 -configure06:11
wm_eddieok, I must detach now06:12
Bobjok, much better06:12
Se7h:)06:12
Se7hno configure the X there06:12
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Se7h*now06:13
Se7him dislexique06:13
Se7hlol06:13
BobjI'm getting some failed to load glide, can't detect my mouse and something about using a command to test the server.06:13
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Se7hw806:13
Se7hhave u configured the xfree already? so fast ?06:14
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BobjI don't think so.  I got a screenfull of messages and a message to try a XFree86 command with some parameters.  I tried the command and the screen flickered and now is black, but the monitor still has a green light.  Perhaps a reboot?06:15
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Bobjcntr+alt+backspace does nothing now as well.06:16
Se7hctrl+alt+backspace = restart X06:16
Se7hctrl+alt+Fx = change terminal06:16
Se7hhmm06:17
Se7hwhat happens when u run the -configure?06:17
james_hmm.. i am trying to use my scanner.. but xsane will only see and allow me to use the scanner if i run it from root/sudo.. how can i remedy this?06:17
BobjI think I need to reboot, nothing is responding.  Hopefully you can hang around for a few more minutes.06:17
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bahaMut\\laptophi06:18
Se7hBobj hit ctrl+alt+del then06:18
Se7hit will start system rebooty06:18
bahaMut\\laptopI installed ubuntu but it doesnt load after install because it wants to load hotplug pciehp and it fails..06:18
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Bobjrebooting...06:19
Se7hbahaMut\\laptop do u have external hdd or something ?06:19
bahaMut\\laptopSe7h: no06:19
Se7hpendrive ?06:20
bahaMut\\laptopSe7h: no06:20
Se7hnothing connect6ed to usb ?06:20
bahaMut\\laptopnothing like that06:20
bahaMut\\laptopjust my webcam and my mouse06:20
Se7hmaybe is just that06:21
Se7hi dont know bout the others06:21
Se7hbut when o boot with my external hdd (plugged into usb06:21
Se7hit just breaks on loading06:21
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bahaMut\\laptopok i plugged my webcam out and put the mouse with ps2 adapter into ps2, lets see..06:21
Se7hi can only turn it on after booting the os06:22
Se7hyeah06:22
Se7htry that06:22
Se7hBobj wel...?06:22
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BobjSe7h, reboot complete, I've got the command prompt and entered the 'sudo XFree86 -configure'.  I get a message about failing to load glide (?mouse) and then just go back to the command prompt.06:23
Se7ho.006:23
Se7hodd06:23
defendguinubuntu bugzilla sucks06:23
Se7hBobj hang a sec06:24
defendguinit doesnt hold any information if i click on anything like "assign to" and try to go back06:24
Bobjok06:24
defendguinalso why should i assign a bug to anyone?06:24
wm_eddieWOO the professor changed the Due date to wednesday!06:24
Se7hdefendguin true ;P06:24
Se7hwm_eddie wha?06:25
wm_eddieMy Discrete Mathematics class.06:25
defendguinahhh it finally assigned the bug to someone and i didnt need to 06:25
wm_eddieSo now I have no homework, I can start hacking from today!06:26
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jayeolaheh06:26
jayeolaemacs?06:26
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wm_eddiejayeola: emacs, is like what happens when you turn a text editor, into an operating system.06:26
defendguinwoo hoo one more big bug to add to the pile06:26
wm_eddieand it's my text-editor of choice.06:26
jayeolaya, but it's sooo big. i'm tempted to try it out though06:27
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jayeolaso much linux, so little time06:27
ritalinso when i run synaptic how do i know it has a upgraded list of packages?06:27
Se7hBobj sudo XFree86 -allowMouseOpenFail06:27
Se7htry that06:28
dieman000000005ef397f8 01 DOWN TIVO06:28
diemanyay06:28
diemanlirc serial thingy I made works06:28
diemanmythtv is rsn when I get my hw06:28
bahaMut\\laptopy0 00b00nt00 r0x m4n !!!111!1! 06:28
bahaMut\\laptophahaa06:28
wm_eddiejayeola: try it. ^X-^C is to close, ^X-^S is to save. ^@ (or space) is to set the mark, ^W cuts, Meta-W copy's ^Y pastes.06:28
wm_eddiejayeola: ^=Ctrl06:28
wm_eddieand also all these shortcuts are completely configurable.06:29
jayeolawm_eddie: i'll read the man page. i even bought a book (shucks)06:29
jayeolaknoppix is wrking06:29
BobjSe7h, monitor flikered then turned itself off.  cntr+alt+backspace doesn't turn it back on.06:29
ushoozritalin, use apt-get :)06:29
Se7hon question06:29
ritalinapt-get update?06:29
ushoozritalin, I use synaptic to search install 06:29
Se7hXfree86 can only be run with 1 option06:29
Se7hright?06:29
ushoozsudo apt-get update06:29
ritalinword06:29
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ritalinty06:29
wm_eddieritalin: the refresh button.06:30
ushoozsudo apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade06:30
Se7hBobj ok, lets do it manualy06:30
Se7hlol06:30
james_hmm.. where in the /dev folder are my usb things? the device manager sees the scanner, and xsane (as root) sees it, but not the normal user.. 06:30
Bobjoh joy06:31
ritalinthis is the coolest damn distro on the planet06:31
Se7hsudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-a06:31
Se7hsudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-406:31
Bobjbut.. i've got to reboot now again.. so hold on.06:31
ushoozI like it06:31
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BobjSe7h, is the plan to set manually to some safe generic monitor setting?06:32
Se7hBobj no, the plan is configuring the xfree86 config file "a la pate"06:33
Se7h:P06:33
wm_eddieUbuntu is close to perfect, when it officially supports mono, xOrg, and beagle. It will be.06:33
z2nOnlyhello all, does the rc of ubuntu now install xorg or is it still xfree86?06:33
wm_eddiez2nOnly: xOrg is for next year's release.06:33
KeybukXOrg is due for hoary06:33
z2nOnlywm_eddie, thanks for the info06:34
SmokingFireAny former amiga users out here?>06:34
Se7hbtw, does anyone have Celestia?06:34
chrismurfI have a via_82xx soundcard - ubuntu detected the module and loaded it (says lsmod)06:34
chrismurfbut I'm having no luck playing audio through it06:34
z2nOnlywm_eddie, any ideas when next year?06:34
wm_eddiez2nOnly: you don't read the site do you? 5.306:35
SmokingFireSe7h: This is way cooler but only for Windows :( http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind/06:35
Se7hchrismurf sorry bout the -non-help, but modules r not with me06:35
Se7him a newbie on this06:35
ushoozSmokingFire, I am an old Amiga person06:35
z2nOnlywm_eddie, i will go there now and read up on, thanks!06:35
SmokingFireushooz: do you know the program snoopdos for on the Amiga?06:36
BobjSe7h, ok, booted up logged on and entered 'sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-a' and seem to be in an editor.06:36
ushoozSmokingFire, ya06:36
chrismurfSe7h no big deal - thanks anyway06:36
ushoozSmokingFire, nice program06:36
SmokingFireushooz: any linux equivalent?06:36
Se7hBobj yeah ur right06:36
Se7hgo down and find...06:36
Se7hlet me see..06:36
chrismurfanybody have any guesses?  Longtime gentoo user - new to debian/ubuntu06:37
goatboyBobj: have you run through 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' yet?06:37
Se7hBobj Section "Monitor"06:37
Se7hgo there06:37
BobjActually, I'm in a blank file at the momment - nothing at all.06:37
wm_eddieBobj: you got the wrong file name06:38
wm_eddie-4 not -a06:38
james_tab complete is your friend06:38
SmokingFirechrismurf: so some other guy talking also about audio, problem usually was solved by loading sequence, however I didn't follow the conversation 100%06:38
Bobj-4 same thing, empty file.  I'm logged in as a user not the admin.06:39
SmokingFirejames_:sometimes tab doesn't work on gaim, I don't know why06:39
james_Bobj, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-406:39
james_SmokingFire, meant when trying to edit files in term06:39
Se7h<goatboy> Bobj: have you run through 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' yet?06:39
BobjNo, I'll try it though.06:40
james_or trying to do anything in terminal.. heh06:40
chrismurfSmokingFire: any ideas?  I'm just grasping at straws at this point06:40
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chrismurfThat sounds good, but I don't know how to affect the loading sequence06:40
SmokingFireits not perhaps in /etc/modules ?06:41
ushoozSmokingFire, nothing that I know of right off the top of my head06:41
Bobjoh, I've got a configure program running now and it want's me to select the desired x server driver.06:41
SmokingFireushooz: ok thanks anyway06:41
Bobjs3 is highlighted06:41
z2nOnlywm_eddie, i have a pc with ati radeon 9800, will this be difficult to install after installing rc ubuntu?06:41
Se7hBobj whats ur video card?06:41
SmokingFireushooz: would have been nice to see all the background stuff.06:41
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krem`uniy006:42
krem`uniIs there any truth to the rumour that IBM is poised to buy Ubuntu?06:42
BobjThis is an older DELL pc with onboard video. looking inside at the chips, it appears to be an S3.  06:42
SmokingFireWhere did you here that?06:43
SmokingFirehear06:43
Se7hLOLOL06:43
SmokingFiretalking to krem btw06:43
wm_eddiez2nOnly: good question.  It worked fine on my nVidia.06:43
BobjShould I give up?06:43
wm_eddieshould work fine on an Ati...06:43
Se7hBobj is it a S3 ?06:43
wm_eddiekrem`uni: I think IBM is going to use Novell linux...06:44
BobjYes S306:44
Se7hso selct it06:44
SmokingFireAs I remember IBM doesn't want to own any linux, for lawsuits reasons.06:44
z2nOnlywm_eddie, i thought i read that only nvidia was supported, however, was curious if rc supports ati now06:44
bur[n] erati 3d?06:45
BobjOk. I'm a little further into the progream now it is asking about whether to use the kernal framebuffer device interface - default is no.06:45
bur[n] ercan they include those?06:45
wm_eddiez2nOnly: let me check the wiki06:45
bur[n] eri thought they were binary drivers?06:45
Se7hBobj go for the defaults06:45
Bobjwill do06:45
ritalinhey guys i tried to play an mp3 and it said no plugin installed to handle it06:45
z2nOnlywm_eddie, thanks06:45
Se7hat least try06:45
SmokingFirebur[n] er: As for as I know they can but from philosopical reasons many distros don't06:45
ritalinshould i just install libxine or something?06:45
bur[n] erritalin: ;)  you're kidding?06:46
goatboybur[n] er: binary-only drivers are included.06:46
Se7hyes ritalin06:46
Se7hinstall totem-xine06:46
SmokingFireritalin for me installing gstreamer-08-mad worked06:46
bur[n] ergstreamer-08-mad is not installed by default?06:46
bur[n] eryou could always install 'beep-media-player'06:47
wm_eddiez2nOnly: I see the the Radeon 9500 not only works but is auto-detected.06:47
bur[n] eri find it a bit more stable than rhythmbox06:47
SmokingFirebur[n] er: not anymore for legal reasons.06:47
Se7hbur[n] er does it stays on tray ?06:47
z2nOnlywm_eddie, thanks, i will try tomorrow06:47
bur[n] erlegal reasons on mad?06:48
wm_eddiez2nOnly: if you do get it to work add a row to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport06:48
bur[n] erSe7h: it does not... the one down fall06:48
bur[n] erbut... it plays music ;)06:48
z2nOnlywm_eddie, will do06:48
bur[n] eras opposed to my rhythmbox06:48
SmokingFire,ad is mpeg layer III = audio = mp3 = frauhofer patents = lawsuits06:48
wm_eddiemad is for "educational" purposes only, so a company using it...06:48
bur[n] erit crashes on first 1 second06:48
bur[n] er== lame codec?  is that illegal?06:49
SmokingFire,ad = mad btw06:49
SmokingFirelame is not legal06:49
bur[n] erno?06:49
SmokingFirenope06:49
Se7hBobj any luck ?06:49
bur[n] erhow come so prevalent?06:49
SmokingFirelame is only for testing purposes officially06:49
bur[n] eri suppose libdvdcss is prevalent in that respect anyway 06:49
bur[n] erit's for testing?06:49
bur[n] erheh06:49
krem`uniSorry. I got a phone call. I heard about IBM being interested in Ubuntu Linux on a mailing list.06:49
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krem`uniI mean, it's clearly going to knock the socks off of Red Hat and SuSE06:50
krem`uniWho wouldn't want it?06:50
fughidabowitarg...ever since i opened the Volume Control...the sound quality has been shit06:50
bur[n] eranything based on debian has got to be better than redhat or suse06:50
SmokingFirebur[n] er:  LAME is an educational tool to be used for learning about MP3 encoding.    The goal of the LAME project is to use the open source model to improve the    psycho acoustics, noise shaping and speed of MP3. 06:50
fughidabowitis there any way to make this sound output better06:50
SmokingFirebur[n] er: Using the LAME encoding engine (or other mp3 encoding technology) in your software    may require a patent license in some countries.06:50
bur[n] erno shit06:51
chrismurfone last shot - anybody with good alsa juju? I'm having issues.06:51
wm_eddiekrem`uni: With all the money IBM is putting into Novell linux, I doubt they will use Ubuntu.06:51
BobjSe7h, been through all of the screens now.  How do I restart X?06:51
bur[n] eri've wondered about that for years!06:51
bur[n] erguess there is a legit reason to go to .ogg06:51
SmokingFireand so its called: LAME Ain't an Mp3 Encoder.06:51
=== bur[n] er wonders when the patent is up
krem`uniwm_eddie: Stranger things have happened.  There have been rumours IBM was going to buy Novell. Buying Ubuntu, and becoming to it what Red Hat is to Fedora would be a smart move.06:51
Se7hBobj ctrl+alt+F706:51
Se7hand the ctrl+alt+backspace06:52
Se7hF7 is the default terminal for X06:52
goatboyor just 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'06:52
danielskrem`uni: as a community-run distribution, Ubuntu cannot be 'bought' as such06:52
Se7hgoatboy more keys pressed ;P06:53
krem`unidaniels: IBM could buy canonical ;-)06:53
BobjI got a blue screen with a white message box "I will disable this X server for now.  Restart GDM when it is configured correctly".  But now the keyboard isn't responding.06:53
SmokingFirebur[n] er: but as so many people are using windows, with who a lot of applications come with a free mp3 encoder, I think you havn't seen the end of mp3 yet.06:53
SmokingFireHowever as soon as people must pay personally to encode audio then yes.06:53
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bahaMut\\laptophi06:53
danielskrem`uni: that still wouldn't give them control of Ubuntu, even in the unlikely event that it actually did happen06:53
krem`uniTrue06:53
bur[n] eri hope we haven't seen the end... i have an mp3 stereo in my car06:53
bur[n] er:)06:53
Se7hbahaMut\\laptop lucky ?06:53
krem`uniBut personally I would far prefer to see Ubuntu on an IBM server, than Red Hat or SuSE06:54
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Se7hBobj restart that06:54
BobjNo command line, looks like another reboot.06:54
bahaMut\\laptopeverything works fine on ubuntu, the problem is that I have to load a modprobe module at startup, where to add the "modprobe sis900" ? In which file ? It's the last thing I need to know and then I'll enjoy ubuntu :P06:54
SmokingFireBut there is no reason why IBM would buy Ubuntu.06:54
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ritalinno dice guys06:54
ritalini installed libxine-devel and rebooted06:54
ushoozbahaMut\\laptop, add the module name to the file /etc/module06:54
ritalinstill wont play06:54
bur[n] erbahaMut\\laptop: /etc/modules06:54
Se7hbahaMut\\laptop wasn't those usb devices ?06:54
ushooz+s06:55
Se7hritalin no need to reboot06:55
bur[n] er./exec sudo gedit /etc/modules06:55
bahaMut\\laptopaaight06:55
ritalinwell it didnt work06:55
SmokingFireritalin: what are you trying to do?06:55
bahaMut\\laptoplet's see if it'll work06:55
danielskrem`uni: well, we aim to have the widest hardware support possible, so obviously IBM servers are part of that plan06:55
bahaMut\\laptopSe7h: I just pressed ctrl+c :)06:55
ritalinPlay mp3's :/06:55
ritalinand it wont06:55
danielsjust as are Dell servers, HP servers, et al06:55
Se7hbahaMut\\laptop or that.. lolololo06:55
bahaMut\\laptoplololol06:55
Se7hritalin go to synaptic and install "totem-xine"06:55
kitchen`moo06:55
SmokingFireritalin: did you install the mad package for gstreamer?06:55
Se7hnot the lib06:56
Se7hi mean06:56
z2nOnlywm_eddie, i just looked at the wiki hardware support and did not see my laptop (gateway solo 5350) which i tried installing ubuntu on several weeks ago.  after successfully booting from the ubuntu cd and watching the hardware detection begin, screen went blank and nothing else happened.  any ideas?06:56
bahaMut\\laptopyep it worked jesus thanks ahhahahahahahahhaha06:56
Se7hthe lib will come after the totem06:56
bahaMut\\laptopI AM HAPPY06:56
bahaMut\\laptopcu lat0r06:56
Se7hLOL06:56
Se7h"one more happy costumer" :)06:56
wm_eddiez2nOnly: you got me there, perhaps you should disable auto-detection?06:56
krem`unidaniels: What would be the main reason for one to switch from using Debian for servers, to Ubuntu?06:57
z2nOnlywm_eddie, how does one do that?06:57
Se7hwell, its 5.57am here06:57
Se7hi need some rest06:57
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bur[n] ersee ya06:57
Se7hi've got a question06:57
Se7hdoes anyone have celestia?06:57
bur[n] ershoot06:57
wm_eddiez2nOnly: I don't know, I've never had to do it :)06:57
Se7hSmokingFire i know.. ;P06:57
bur[n] ersure do... i think06:57
bur[n] eri lied, i have kstars ;)06:58
BobjSe7h, reboot and still doing the monitor shutdown thing.  I'm back at the command line.06:58
wm_eddiehmm I need to learn how to generate an xml file in python...06:58
Se7hBobj do that "nano" thing06:58
Se7hand check if the file is empty or what06:58
Bobjok, give me a sec06:59
Se7hbur[n] er the celestia on the repository06:59
Se7hjust doesn't work06:59
Se7hlol06:59
crimsunwm_eddie: `python-xml' installed?06:59
bur[n] erhrm... i couldnt' tell you... i only have ubuntu installed on my laptop06:59
bur[n] erand i'm on my debian box :\06:59
bur[n] ersorry06:59
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SmokingFirekrem`uni: Where did you hear the rumor anyway?06:59
wm_eddiecrimsun: yup, but it's really complicated.06:59
ritalingrrrr06:59
Se7hno prob06:59
ritalinnuthin works06:59
ritalini installed the mad lib06:59
ushoozSe7h, installing it now06:59
Se7hushooz celestia?06:59
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ushoozSe7h, yes07:00
Se7hk07:00
Se7hgive news07:00
ushoozyou have a problem with it?07:00
Se7hno07:00
Se7hit just wont start07:00
ushoozwhat question do you have?07:00
ushoozah07:00
BobjSe7h, empty file07:00
BobjI did sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-507:00
BobjI did sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86config-407:00
Se7hBobj show me what did u wirte07:00
Se7hyeah07:01
Bobjsecond one07:01
bur[n] ermissed a C07:01
Se7h(just downloaded doom3 :D YEY)07:01
Se7hhmmm07:01
wm_eddiewatch it PWN your computer!07:01
krem`uniSmokingFire: On the OSIA mailing lists..07:01
bur[n] er./exec sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:01
krem`uni(Open Source Industry Australia)07:01
SmokingFireritalin: get gstreamer0.8-plugins (might be big) and then logoff and login.07:01
bur[n] erBobj: that command was for you ;)07:01
Bobjok07:02
ushoozSe7h, seems to work here07:02
Se7hushooz how ?07:02
bur[n] eranyone have issues iwth rhythmbox?07:02
ritalingstreamer0.8-plugin-apps?07:02
=== bur[n] er thinks it might just be rhythmbox from within xfce :\
Bobjno such file...07:02
ushooztype the command celestia07:02
SmokingFirekrem`uni: ok07:02
ritalincause i have it already...07:02
Se7hushooz just what i've done07:02
Se7hbut let me try one more time07:02
Bobjok07:02
SmokingFireritalin: no just without the apps07:02
ushoozSe7h, I take that back I am using the opengl version07:03
ritalinshould i get dev ones?07:03
ushoozso celestia-glut07:03
ritalincause i have regular ones07:03
Se7h-bash: celestia: command not found07:03
Se7haaahh07:03
Se7hw8 then07:03
wm_eddieOOo in Ubuntu looks about as integrated as OOo is going to get.07:03
SmokingFiresudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugin should do it07:03
wm_eddiereally good job.07:03
krem`uniwm_eddie: Any screenshots?07:04
SmokingFireWell to mee OOo still needs improvement in looks and usability.07:04
ritalin Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugin07:04
Se7hushooz 07:04
Se7hThis is the old GTK/Gnome based frontend to Celestia which isn't07:04
Se7hactively developed anymore. It also lacks some functionality compared07:04
Se7hto the07:04
SmokingFireritalin: do you have universe enabled?07:04
Se7hEVEN THE DESCRIPTION IS INCOMPLETE07:04
Se7hAHAHAH07:04
Se7hups07:04
ritalinis it on by default?07:04
Se7hsorry caps07:04
ritalinCause i havent messed with anything07:04
SmokingFireritalin: off by default07:04
SmokingFireritalin: what are you using? apt or synaptic?07:05
ritalinsynaptic07:05
ritalini like it07:05
ritalin:P07:05
wm_eddieum... I could make one...07:05
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bur[n] ergrr... wish synaptic would let you do "synaptic install <pkgname>"07:06
bur[n] ersomeone make it do that ;)07:06
DeepSpaceAntI wish there was a open source driver for r300+ chipsets for ati..07:06
krem`uniwm_eddie: That'd be cool..07:06
SmokingFireok, there go to settings --> repositories and enabled the fifth and sixth repository from the top.07:06
DeepSpaceAntstupid ati drivers never work..07:06
deFrysksynaptic is a frontend of apt07:06
=== bur[n] er is using ati drivers atm
kitchen`bur[n] er: why not just do 'apt-get install <pkgname' ?07:06
DeepSpaceAntfor what board07:06
bur[n] erbecause newbs like guis ;)07:06
SmokingFirethe description when clicking on the fith and sixth repo should hold the word universe.07:06
DeepSpaceAntwhat vid card*07:06
ritalinhow do i enable unversal?07:06
bur[n] eri want to say to ritalin... 'sudo synaptic install gstreamer-08*'07:07
bur[n] erand ahve it work07:07
DeepSpaceAntritalin u can go into apps->system tools->synaptic07:07
DeepSpaceAntand set reposotories07:07
DeepSpaceAntand enable one07:07
bur[n] erDeepSpaceAnt: i have an all in wonder 12807:07
kitchen`ritalin: edit /etc/apt/sources.list07:07
bur[n] erritalin: /exec sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:07
bur[n] er:)07:07
SmokingFireritalin: ok, there go to settings --> repositories and enabled the fifth and sixth repository from the top.07:07
bur[n] erthere, like that07:07
DeepSpaceAntbur[n] er what chipset is that?07:07
kitchen`bur[n] er: and again, I ask, why not just do 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer' ?07:07
DeepSpaceAntr300?07:07
bur[n] erDeepSpaceAnt: old ;)07:07
DeepSpaceAnthah07:08
DeepSpaceAntlol07:08
wm_eddiekrem`uni: ahh, it's hard to capture it all in a screen shot.  It just integreates very well with the brownness of the Human theme.07:08
bur[n] erkitchen`: there's no gui07:08
wm_eddiebut that's about it.07:08
bur[n] erand if he runes it from xchat, it won't work07:08
bur[n] eror even if he runs it from irssi07:08
kitchen`err07:08
bur[n] erit needs user interaction07:08
krem`uniI wonder if the human theme will change at all07:08
krem`unifor the release07:08
kitchen`you shouldn't run either of those from an irc client :P07:08
bur[n] ercan't do that in... well... maybe you can in xchat?07:08
GOwinwhat's the equivalent of guidedog for gnome?07:08
bur[n] erwhy not?07:08
SmokingFirelazycat07:08
=== bur[n] er likes giving out /exec commands to news
bur[n] ernewbs07:08
bur[n] ermake it easy for em07:09
BobjSe7h - I think I found the config file /home/bob/XF86Config.new - there is stuff in it.07:09
kitchen`just have them alt-f2 and type in the command :P07:09
Se7hBobj good07:09
ushooznot a fan of the brown in Ubuntu07:09
Se7hgo to "Monitor"07:09
ushoozchanged all that07:09
=== bur[n] er digs scheme
kitchen`I'm using a blue theme07:09
bur[n] erit's not blue like EVERYONE else07:09
bur[n] erbleh07:09
kitchen`heh07:09
wm_eddieI *love* the human theme.07:09
deFrysk<--ChrystalSphere07:10
bur[n] erwindows, mac, kde, gnome... they're always blue07:10
ushoozI prefer blue myslef07:10
SmokingFireI like the gorilla theme07:10
=== bur[n] er likes black
kitchen`cuz blue is sexy07:10
Se7hAH07:10
Se7hushooz07:10
SmokingFirebut the beos theme is also very good.07:10
Se7hcelestia-gnome07:10
Se7hLOL07:10
bur[n] erand the ubuntu is fun and different07:10
ushoozblues and grays07:10
=== wm_eddie is a fan of different.
Se7hseth@devil ~/01-Ext2 $ sudo sh doom3-linux-1.1.1282-demo.x86.run07:10
Se7hPassword:07:10
Se7hVerifying archive integrity... All good.07:10
Se7hUncompressing DOOM III demo.............07:10
Se7h:D07:11
kitchen`i don't see any of these themes in the list07:11
BobjSe7h - the entries seem to not be filled out at all.  almost like this is a template file or something.07:11
ushoozvery cool07:11
SmokingFirekitchen`: you need to download them, they are called gnome-themes or something.07:11
ushoozjust plugged in my digi cam for the first time and it detected it right away07:11
krem`uniIt's not hard to install new themes in GNOME07:11
ushoozhttp://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/Screenshot.png07:11
kitchen`ahh07:11
krem`uniGNOME absolutely rocks, I reckon it's the best interface around07:11
deFryskgnome-themes-extras07:11
deFryskget those07:11
pepsihow can i get programs that use /dev/dsp play sounds at the same time?07:11
deFryskfrom universal07:11
Se7hBobj google a bit07:11
pepsialsa stuff works fine07:11
Keybukpepsi: esd.07:11
Se7hand try to studie the xfree8607:12
Se7hnot that hard07:12
BobjOk.  Thanks for the help.07:12
Se7hmost importan r the loaded  modules07:12
Se7hmonitor07:12
Se7hand de device card07:12
krem`uniushooz: How did you get the cpu monitor to come up on the bottom right?07:12
SmokingFirekrem`uni: right click and add to panel07:13
Se7hgdesklets?07:13
Se7hah07:13
Se7hor that07:13
ushoozjust add the monitor to the bottom bar and unlock all the tools to move it over07:13
ushoozthen lock them back down so they do not move07:13
krem`uniBut where did u get the monitor I mean?07:13
bur[n] erright click the bar.. add applet07:13
SmokingFirekrem`uni: its included07:13
ushoozpart of Gnome07:13
krem`uniahh ok, funky07:13
krem`uniWhere can one get additional applets?07:14
Se7hfunkyyy07:14
Se7hnice word in fact07:14
Se7h:)07:14
bur[n] ergnome needs some work in file manager aspect07:14
bur[n] erand it needs an scp client07:14
SmokingFirekrem`uni: its not default?07:14
bur[n] erbut other than that, it's cool07:14
kitchen`bur[n] er: yea, fish (kde) is awesome-o07:14
ushoozbur[n] er, I agree scp function would rock07:14
bur[n] eryes!!! people know of fish :)07:14
SmokingFirekrem`uni: try on the top bar on a empty space and right click and add panel07:14
krem`uniSmokingFire: Just want to know how to get additional applets for it07:14
ficusplanetbur[n] er, Nautilus can connect using SSH, like fish.07:14
bur[n] erfinally a sensible irc chatroom07:14
kitchen`i use fish all the time07:14
bur[n] erficusplanet: it can?07:14
kitchen`my desktop is kde07:14
krem`uniSmokingFire: I can add applets to the panel, done that.. looks nice07:15
krem`uniBut07:15
bur[n] erficusplanet: in ubuntu?07:15
ficusplanetYeah, file>Connect to Server...07:15
kitchen`oh yea that's right07:15
kitchen`I forgot about that07:15
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Se7hits aliveeeee07:15
bur[n] erno kidding?07:15
krem`uniI just wanna know where people can go to get more applets07:15
kitchen`but it's not as nicly integrated as kde and their apps07:15
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SmokingFireI would geyes to monitor how much my mouse has traveled07:15
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ficusplanetYeah, connects to lots of stuff.07:15
kitchen`because gedit can't open anything from the ssh07:15
kitchen`whereas kedit, kate, kwrite, etc can07:15
bur[n] erleafpad is cooler anyway ;)07:15
kitchen`with fish anywyas07:16
joemgedit can so open things over ssh07:16
bur[n] ernot that it can, i just wanted to insert a plug 07:16
bur[n] erheh07:16
bur[n] ergedit can?07:16
bur[n] erusing gnomevfs?07:16
joemyes07:16
bur[n] erfile open ssh:// ?07:16
kitchen`hmm07:16
kitchen`i'll try it07:16
kitchen`sec07:16
kitchen`;P07:16
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bur[n] ercan you do smb:// from gedit?07:16
bur[n] eror from nautilus?07:16
ficusplanetOnce you connect to a server with nautilus, you'll have them positioned with the drives in the file chooser.07:16
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bur[n] ersmb support kinda sucks to browse, but maybe if i can connect... it'll work07:17
ritalinok i can play mp3s07:17
ritalini had to install totem-xine07:17
kitchen`wow, it did work07:17
ritalinonce catch though07:17
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pepsiKeybuk, esd is running, but if i have say rhythmbox playing, nothing else works07:17
kitchen`gedit just opened sftp://home/kitchen/new.ldif from my server07:17
ritalinit uninstalled ubuntu desktop.....07:17
pepsii can have 2 instances of rhythmbox playing though07:17
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ritalinI hope that isnt gonna fsck shit up07:17
bur[n] ersftp: eh?  are those hard to set up?07:18
bur[n] erand can you view stats of connected folks?  unlike scp?07:18
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kitchen`bur[n] er: sftp is ssh07:18
SmokingFirebur[n] er: open nautilus then file --> connect to server07:18
bur[n] erscp is ssh...07:18
bur[n] ersftp is a seperate extension07:18
kitchen`bur[n] er: so is sftp07:18
kitchen`no07:18
kitchen`sftp uses ssh07:18
bur[n] erif i have ssh... i don't necessarily have sftp ability07:18
bur[n] erbut i do have scp07:18
kitchen`if you have scp you have sftp07:18
kitchen`try it07:18
kitchen`sftp user@host07:18
bur[n] erno07:18
bur[n] erno way07:19
bur[n] eri don't believe it07:19
kitchen`to some host with just ssh07:19
kitchen`bur[n] er: fine, don't believe me.07:19
bur[n] eri will07:19
kitchen`heh07:19
bur[n] eri'm booting ;)07:19
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bur[n] erif you're right, i'll stfu ;)07:19
kitchen`you're thinking ftps07:19
jdubkitchen`: you only get sftp access if it's enabled on the ssh server (which it is, by default, in most distros)07:19
kitchen`which is ftp over ssl07:19
kitchen`jdub: right07:19
ritalinthis is pretty much just debian isnt it.....07:19
kitchen`jdub: but it's still part of openssh :)07:19
bur[n] erdebian isn't enabled by default07:19
bur[n] erit is?07:19
jdubit is07:19
kitchen`bur[n] er: it is on every distry i've ever used07:20
ritalinit seems like it to me07:20
bur[n] erhrm07:20
jdubbur[n] er: grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config07:20
bur[n] eri'm still booting07:20
ritalinalthough ive never used debian07:20
bur[n] erjdub: will do07:20
ritalinIt seems to use all the same stuff it does07:20
kitchen`kitchen@serenity:~ $ grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config07:20
kitchen`Subsystem       sftp    /usr/lib/sftp-server07:20
jdubritalin: ubuntu is a branch of debian sid, integrated, stablised and supported.07:20
ritalinbut more newb friendly07:20
kitchen`*cough*07:20
ritalinok cool07:20
kitchen`yea ubuntu is very well integrated :)07:20
phinubuntu rocks!~07:21
bur[n] erburner@cerebus:~$ grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config07:21
bur[n] erSubsystem       sftp    /usr/lib/sftp-server07:21
bur[n] erthat right?07:21
kitchen`bur[n] er: yes07:21
ritalini dont need that ubuntu desktop package do i?07:21
ritalinit wont mess crap up later?07:21
ushoozf-spot is very cool07:21
SmokingFireritalin: don't know with me it also uninstalled with some other package. Didn't notice anything07:22
bur[n] erno f'in way07:22
krem`uniI'd still use debian itself on a server.07:22
bur[n] erit worked07:22
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bur[n] erer... sftp07:22
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krem`uniUnless ubuntu brings out a server fork ;-)07:22
bur[n] erok, that doesn't work :\07:22
krem`uniI prefer the Ubuntu release cycle07:22
jdubkrem`uni: ubuntu is a fully supported server OS too07:22
bur[n] erwhat does gftp use?07:23
kitchen`in my experience gftp didn't work with sftp very well07:23
krem`unijdub: Supported by whom?07:23
netdur"apt-get upgrade" will upgrade my system from pr to rc?07:23
jdubkrem`uni: canonical + the community07:23
bur[n] ernetdur: dist-upgrade would be better07:23
krem`unijdub: Not good enough for clients yet.07:23
bur[n] ergftp needs sftp-server command07:23
krem`unijdub: Debian has a good name.07:23
bur[n] erso hrm... got me07:23
krem`uniBased on debian does not ;-)07:23
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netdur"sudo dist-upgrade"07:23
bur[n] erknow how to view people who are connected and file transferring via scp?07:23
crimsun(sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)07:24
bur[n] erand maybe see some stats about them like the speed?07:24
netdurthanks07:24
krem`unibur[n] er: It will only show up as an ssh connection07:24
ushoozwow07:24
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krem`unibur[n] er: `who'07:24
ushoozjust found a old desktop snapshot07:24
pepsidoes anybody know why i can play sounds while rhythmbox is playing?07:24
jdubkrem`uni: 'commercially supported debian' has got a lot of attention07:24
bur[n] erwho?07:24
pepsicant07:24
bur[n] erit doesn't show anyone07:24
Se7hwoooo07:24
krem`unijdub: I just wanna know who the heck canonical is all of a sudden07:25
ushoozthis is pre gnome/kde days07:25
krem`uniFrom nowhere, now they are just there.07:25
ushoozhttp://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/default/oldlinux.jpg07:25
Se7hcelestia with a high res earth texture....awsome07:25
jdubkrem`uni: www.canonical.com07:25
krem`uniDebian has been around 12 years07:25
krem`uniAnd has earned trust and respect07:25
crimsunhardly "all of a sudden" :)07:25
krem`uniCanonical/Ubuntu can't expect to get that respect overnight07:25
jdubkrem`uni: canonical is a new company, with deep roots in the FOSS community07:25
bur[n] erkrem`uni: who doesn't show them... nor does a w07:26
krem`uniI went to their site, saw it was done in plone and thought "Hmm, can't even put together their own site"07:26
bur[n] erif they connect with winscp that is07:26
krem`unibur[n] er: Weird..07:26
jdub(note that we don't expect to be given that level of trust immediately, it has to be built, but the response so far has been incredible)07:26
krem`uniDon't get me wrong, Ubuntu is gold to me.07:26
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jdubkrem`uni: er, dude, plone is a CMS, which is used to build sites...07:27
krem`uniUbuntu is like Fedora to Red Hat, and Dropline GNOME to slackware07:27
krem`uniOnly, better..07:27
krem`unijdub: Yes..07:27
ushoozgood analogy krem`uni07:27
bur[n] erand 2.8 ;)07:27
krem`uniI just wouldn't have expected a site for a company like Canonical to use plone :-)07:27
bur[n] erleading edge stuff07:27
jdubkrem`uni: that's what it's for...07:27
krem`uniushooz: Yeah, I think so too.07:27
krem`uniAnyway, regardless of the site, that's just being picky on my behald07:28
krem`uni*behalf07:28
krem`uniI just want to know why I should go throwing Ubuntu on servers07:28
krem`uniAs opposed to tried and true Debian Stable07:28
ushoozI do not invision ubuntu as a server OS07:28
bur[n] ergood old shot ushooz 07:28
pixelmonkeydoes anyone actually still put Debian stable on servers? :)07:28
ushoozis that their intention?07:28
jdubushooz: absolutely.07:29
=== bur[n] er puts debian 'testing' on servers :)
krem`unipixelmonkey: Yeah..07:29
pixelmonkeyif you want to run a java application server, you don't even have tomcat4 in debian stable, I don't think07:29
jdubkrem`uni: i led the sysadmin team for an isp, we used woody07:29
krem`unitesting, minus the security support..07:29
jdubkrem`uni: couldn't use sarge, no security support, so used woody and maintained a large set of backports. it was... suboptimal.07:29
pixelmonkeyjdub, that's the thing, if you have so many backports you're just paddling upstream07:30
krem`uniI think it will take years before Debian people will use Ubuntu over Debian on servers.07:30
pixelmonkeyI'm just lucky enough that none of my servers are "production" quality, so I can afford to use sarge/sid on them07:30
ushoozbur[n] er, laugh. Good ole WindowMaker :) 07:30
jdubkrem`uni: that'll be reduced with ISV/IHV certification, etc. :-)07:30
krem`uniComing from an OpenBSD (and other BSD's) background personally, I would love to see a cross between Ubuntu and Gentoo.  Ubuntu with a ports collection :-)07:31
krem`unijdub: Is that on the horizon?07:31
jdubof course, what's the point of having a commercially supported distribution otherwise?07:31
krem`uniHmm. How will it compete with Red Hat/SuSE? (is that the intention?)07:31
jdubit may, it may not07:32
krem`uniAnd moreover, how can Canonical hope to make money from it?07:32
bur[n] erushooz: i'm familiar... it was my first window manager with slackware07:32
jdubleave that to canonical ;)07:32
Keybukkrem`uni: you do realise that a large portion of Ubuntu developers are actually Debian people, yes? :)07:32
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krem`uniKeybuk: Yes..07:33
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krem`unijdub: As a user, I want to know that in $x years Canonical won't turn around and make a RHEL-spinnoff equivalent07:33
defendguinso why isnt monkey bubble available on apt?07:34
ushoozbur[n] er, it took me awhile back then. I had a false start with Linux after I left the Amiga ranks in early 97. Tried Windows 95 and quickly tried Linux and failed. Ran 95 for about 3 more months then had to get off it and tried linux again. Bingo... ever since07:34
wm_eddiekrem`uni: it says in the front page that they have a strong belief that linux should be free as in beer.07:34
jdubkrem`uni: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."07:34
krem`unijdub: Yeah, that can easily be deleted..07:35
krem`unijdub: Didn't Red Hat start out that way?07:35
jdubno07:35
jdubred hat started by... selling copies of red hat07:35
krem`uniOK so how the heck will Ubuntu make money?!07:35
krem`uniHow will they stay afloat?07:35
ficusplanetjdub, Who leads the Web site development for ubuntulinux.org?07:36
krem`uni(For the record, I quit a network engineering job one year out of Uni, and to come back to do an honours thesis relating to Open Source in the enterprise.  I really *want* to think this can work).07:36
jdubficusplanet: not any one person, really - why?07:36
wm_eddiekrem`uni: step 1) Make the best Linux distro ever step 2)... step 3) profit!  see it works!!!07:36
jdubkrem`uni: have you read the website?07:37
ficusplanetjdub, I'd just like to learn how I could help out.  I'm not sure what I could/should do, but I have a lot of experience with PHP, XHTML, CSS, etc.07:37
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krem`unijdub: yes :-)07:37
jdubficusplanet: atm, i'm not sure; the site is built on plone, if you grok python and zope07:38
ficusplanetI've played with plone a bit, but it certainly isn't my forte.07:39
bur[n] erbah... anyone know how to kill a [defunct]  app?07:40
bur[n] eri tried kill -9 <pid#>07:40
bur[n] erbut that did nothing07:40
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bur[n] er 5445 ?        Zl     0:20 [beep-media-play]  <defunct>07:40
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ficusplanetRun xkill and click on it.07:40
UbuntuHi07:40
UbuntuI created Ubuntu07:40
bur[n] erheh07:41
Ubuntui registered this nick07:41
Ubuntuheheeheheh07:41
wm_eddiewow, I found an awesome and easy xml library for python.07:41
krem`uni<wm_eddie> krem`uni: step 1) Make the best Linux distro ever step 2)... step 3) profit!  see it works!!!07:41
krem`uniRight.07:41
krem`uniWhat goes at '...'07:41
krem`uni?07:41
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wm_eddiekrem`uni: It worked for the underpants gnomes!07:41
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Ubuntuheh07:42
bur[n] erxml lib for python?07:42
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bur[n] erficusplanet: i have no window for it07:42
wm_eddiehttp://effbot.org/zone/element-index.htm This is perfect for my project.07:42
bur[n] eri left it running when i logged out to kdm07:43
ficusplanetkillall beep-media-player07:43
Ubuntummmmmm07:44
UbuntuUbuntu07:44
wm_eddiekillall -9 beep-media-player07:44
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aitrusbur[n] er: the "Z" in "Zl" means it's zombied.  that process is probably waiting on another process to exit07:45
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aitrusbur[n] er: so you'll need to find what process it's waiting on and kill it07:45
defendguinmdz you here?07:46
bur[n] eraitrus: thanks :)07:46
bur[n] erany way to find out the process it's waiting on?07:47
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billytwowillyhi guys, I'm a bit confused about ubuntu. It's supposed to be easy to use right? Does that mean it has a yast like config program for doing things like setting up printers, network, etc?07:47
mdzdefendguin: yes07:47
bur[n] erbillytwowilly: not yast07:48
bur[n] erbut gnome-system-tools07:48
aitrusbur[n] er: you can try "pstree", but i'm not sure if that will have it or not07:48
bur[n] eronly thing above it is 'init' :\07:48
billytwowillybur[n] er: I'm not familiar with gnome-system-tools, I'm a kde user;) I'll check it out though07:49
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bur[n] ereh, it's easy enough07:49
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bur[n] ermy centrino doesn't start up on boot though :\  i have to remodprobe it07:49
aitrusbur[n] er: you don't need to reboot... if you can't find the proc, then you can logout.  maybe even shut down gdm and see what's left07:50
bur[n] eroh right07:50
bur[n] erbrb07:50
defendguinmdz, you just responded to my bug report about the crash once gnome starts and during the boot07:50
mdzI have been known to respond to bug reports from time to time07:51
aitrusheh07:51
defendguinbug 240007:51
bur[n] eraitrus: so i'm at a terminal... no X and no window manger07:51
bur[n] erjust screen with an irssi app07:51
bur[n] ercan't imagine bmp is waiting on irssi?07:52
aitrusit wouldn't be waiting on something you jsut started up fresh07:52
bur[n] er?07:53
bur[n] ereh, i'm just gonna reboot ;)07:53
aitrusoh, i thought you logged out and then logged back in with irssi... sorry07:54
aitrusdidnt' pay attention that you never left the channel07:54
wm_eddieman, Gnome 2.8 is so awesome.07:54
wm_eddieSo far all of the little annoyances, are gone!07:54
bur[n] ernope... just dropped X07:54
bur[n] erand closed all services07:54
bur[n] erand came back to my screen window :)07:54
bur[n] erwm_eddie: you'll find some ;)07:54
wm_eddieI just did...07:55
wm_eddieSeems like I can mount something, but only root can unmount it?07:55
mdzdefendguin: I guess I don't understand what you are trying to tell me07:56
defendguini really cant get a better discription of the bug im having07:56
wm_eddieif it has the user flag then anybody should be able to mount and unmount it right?07:56
defendguinno extra output when it locks during boot07:57
defendguineven if i turn off the quiet boot mode07:58
wm_eddieahh, no quick and easy open with terminal option...07:59
wm_eddieAll file browsers in linux should have an "Open this folder in Terminal" option08:01
joemwm_eddie, user means that the user that mounted it can unmount08:01
joemusers means any user can08:02
joemiirc08:02
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deFryskusers means anyone in the user group can08:02
wm_eddiejoem: that worked, thanks.08:03
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wm_eddiehoray for hacks08:07
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LeeColletonwhat is the minimum spec for running ubuntu?08:14
wm_eddieLeeColleton: I can run it on a 300 Mhz laptop from 1999 :)08:16
LeeColletonwhat about a 233MHz P-II ?08:16
wm_eddieWell, mine's a P-II08:17
wm_eddieso it'll run.  But note I don't run Gnome 2.8 on it, because it's too slow. XFCE4 works great though.08:17
LeeColletonI can't find a minimum or recommended spec anywhere in the docs..08:17
wm_eddieI think it's 686 processor, 128 megs of ram should be more than enough.08:19
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LeeColletonP-II is 58608:19
wm_eddie586 then :)08:19
punkassi put debian with xfce on a 133 with 32mb o ram08:19
punkassit worked...but it was slow08:19
phinp2 is 68608:20
phinthe ppro was a 68608:21
wm_eddie686 then :)08:21
phinppro - p3 is 68608:21
netdurI run p3 here, it's 686!08:21
LeeColletonI figure 233 MHz is pushing the low end a bit.. 96 MB of RAM should be okay..08:21
netduris that toshiba laptop?08:21
phinim running ubuntu on a k2-300 64megs08:21
wm_eddie2.6 is pretty fast.08:22
phinim not running gnome thou08:22
RandomizeAnd (one of) the reasons you get such soft answers about "minimum" requirements is because that's such a shell-game for linux distributions.  How you load the machine out has a great deal of bearing on what you need in the way of horsepower. :)08:22
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jdubfor gnome, you just need reasonable ram (256 or above)08:26
jdubyou can run it on slow machines without problems08:26
RandomizeProbably depends on your pain threshold, too.  People have widely varying definitions of "slow." :)08:26
phini ran gnome on a dual pentium 166 board with 512 mem08:27
phinran fine08:27
LeeColletonyeah, the system is for my dad..  he wouldn't mind 08:27
phinwell no08:27
phinwasnt 51208:27
phin25608:27
LeeColletonmaybe a lighter desktop environment would work better08:27
wm_eddieXFCE4 is awesome.08:28
wm_eddieI cannot describe how awesome it is.08:28
LeeColletonif ubuntu is really meant for the maximum possible user base, it seems that it should be pretty easy to set it up for a low end system08:28
RandomizeWell, my freedesktop.org.xml file is properly updated, totem movie player can play my m4as, gst-launch can play 'em, and the Rhythmbox folks can't give me any reasonable explanation as to why rebuilding from source would fix their issues, so I think they're just not getting candy and flowers from me until they fix it.08:28
LeeColletonmaybe that would be a good install option for hoary08:28
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wm_eddieLeeColleton: I think less options are better.  It makes it easier to install.08:29
wm_eddiefrom there all you have to do is install xfce4 and log-out of gnome.  It's one command.08:30
LeeColletonwm_eddie: then maybe an autodetect script that could decide the system was "low end"08:30
LeeColletonwm_eddie: seems easy.. but don't underestimate the ignorance of the common user08:30
wm_eddieThat would be so much more complicated than having the person choose a faster alternative themself.08:31
LeeColletonwm_eddie: I agree about the less options bit08:31
LeeColletonwm_eddie: it seems like a good item for the documentation then.. how to install on a low end system08:31
wm_eddieLeeColleton: You can add it to the wiki really.08:32
wm_eddieinstall the base, open a terminal, uncomment universe, aptitue install xfce4, logout.08:33
RandomizeWish the man and texinfo manuals for chmod were more elaborate, heh.  I can never figure out that command.  Oh well, I'll go find a howto.08:33
wm_eddiechmod 755 name08:34
LeeColletonRandomize: what are you trying to do?08:34
wm_eddiechmod -R 755 name08:34
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RandomizeDon't worry about it.  This is an example of a situation where someone should hunker down and train themselves.  But thanks.08:35
wm_eddie7 is 111 (rwx) 5 is 101 (r-x) 08:35
RandomizeAnd yes, wm_eddie, that's what I was doing.  :)  Doesn't appear to affect subdirectories though.08:35
wm_eddie-R08:35
RandomizeI am using the recursive flag. :)08:35
wm_eddieinteresting...08:35
Randomizedid a chmod -R 777 name and the subdirectories didn't change.08:35
jdubRandomize: use symbols instead of octal08:36
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jdubeasier on the brain08:36
RandomizeWell, I cheated, jdub ... I did it via Nautilus first to find out the octal . ;)08:36
RandomizeSo brain = unhurt. :)08:36
wm_eddieI totally understood the octal before I even knew it was octal!08:37
hazmatcool, the mono packages made it to universe08:37
wm_eddieMy unix teacher was mentioning chmod, and I mentioned that I've always used it with numbers, then he told me it was binary/octal..08:38
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wm_eddiehazmat: the compiler too?08:38
hazmatyup08:38
wm_eddieawesome.08:38
wm_eddietime for bed.08:39
RandomizeMmm, ok, my syntax is correct, but it's just not applying itself to subdirectories.  Is there a "force" option, or something?08:40
wm_eddieok time for bed.08:41
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RandomizeNM, got it.08:43
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cK-mazEi am eceiving this error when playing quake3 08:48
cK-mazEwhen try to run it actually08:48
cK-mazEXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display08:48
cK-mazEseems my opengl is not loading, anyone know whats going on?08:48
Ruffian-ZzZzZzvote bush!08:50
Ruffian-ZzZzZzNOT!08:50
RandomizeWrong channel, Ruffian. :)08:50
RandomizeThis would be the ... ummm ... vote mandela! ... channel.  Or something. :)08:50
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mrjivehi *08:51
RandomizeI hate to say it, but I can get AAC's working with Rhythmbox under FC2 and Gentoo without bleeding from the pores, but I can't make it happen on Ubuntu.  I'm not sure how to document it though.08:54
TreenaksRandomize: what did you try08:55
RandomizeRebuilding all of gstreamer + gst-plugins + rhythmbox from source was the furthest extreme that I reached.08:55
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RandomizeWhich had zero impact on the original problem.08:56
Randomize(In other words, my problem with a compiled RB is the same as my problem with a clean install of warty.)08:56
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GOwincan someone tell me what to do here? my gdm stops on the ubuntu splash screen after i login. 09:04
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GOwini can't even login from gnome failsafe09:06
GOwinanyone?09:07
Seveastry logging in with a command prompt, without X09:08
Seveasyou switch to command prompt by pressing <ctrl><alt><F1>09:09
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GOwinok. i'm in the terminal now09:12
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Seveasamd logging in works?09:12
GOwinactually, that's my default09:12
GOwinyes09:12
mindwarpbleh09:13
mindwarpsomeone was on here with my nick09:13
mindwarpbut nickserv had my back09:13
GOwinwhat should i look/edit so i can run gdm again09:13
Seveastype ls -al | grep authority09:13
Seveasand paste the result here or in a private window09:13
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bur[n] eranyone know if there is a gnome-vwm applet that will respond to mousewheeling on the desktop?09:21
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mazecan anyone lend a hand with getting my nvidia to run opengl09:22
mazei have tried to change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" per the documention, but x just fails09:23
mazeand says it can not inialize the kernal09:23
mazeX runs fine using driver "nv"09:24
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Pizbit^Damn that sucked.09:25
mazewhat sucked09:25
RandomizeWhat, specifically, sucked?09:25
Pizbit^Who do I chat/email about the hardware detection?09:25
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eldadosany ubuntu developers here?09:26
jdubalways09:26
mazeso anyone have some info about nvidia and glx09:26
mazeunder ubuntu09:26
jdubmaze: sounds like you haven't loaded the nvidia kernel module09:26
eldadoscool :) did you fix the nvidia6800 card detection and proper X configure?09:27
jdubmaze: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules09:27
eldadosso far i got 5 ubuntu costers... :(09:27
mazejd, there is no mention of nvidia in there09:28
jdubmaze: that's right -> doing the above will add it09:29
mazeok let me reboot and give it a shot09:29
mazei shall return :)09:29
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PizbitArgh, adsl died, only got one message from here after joining.09:30
PizbitBasically the hardware detection really doesn't like my computer:)09:30
eldadosanyone here with nvidia 6800??09:30
eldadosPizbit, you are not alone...:)09:31
Pizbiteldados: I had expected it to all work.09:31
PizbitSince mandrake picked it up fine back when I tried 9.0 :)09:31
PizbitAnd the network card chip is common 'n' all that.09:32
PizbitI have to say, the most annoying thing was the sound repeating the same 2 seconds over and over and over again >.<09:32
eldadosPizbit, I wasted 5 cd's trying to get my 6800 to work but nothing!09:33
eldadosand no one to talk to to get some real answers...09:33
PizbitHeh, isn't that one of the newer cards that isn't supported yet?09:34
eldadosmy yoper picked it right away with full gl support!09:34
PizbitOn the other hand my / is now 37GiB instead of 28GiB and 9GiB :)09:34
PizbitDid a 'cp -a' to backup my debian install onto another disk and let ubuntu take over hda :) Then copied it back when ubuntu didn't work out.09:35
eldadosI think I'll wait for ubuntu 5.1... maybe...09:36
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Treenaksbtw, I do get the same error09:37
Treenaksuh09:37
Treenaksnot here09:37
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mazethank you :)09:38
mazequake3 runs like a charm now09:38
jdubyou'd think someone like eldados would wait around for answers...09:39
PizbitHrhr09:39
mazenow all we need is value to get its act together and get cs source 09:39
mazerunning in linux09:39
mazethanks for the help with nvidia and glx09:41
mazemuch appreciated09:41
jdubmaze: always good to check the wiki, btw, most of this stuff is documented09:41
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punkassjust made a little app so i can shutoff one of my monitors so unreal doesnt sit in the center of both09:43
punkassjdub: is there anyway to restart x without having to log back in?09:43
jdubno09:43
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punkassor better yet: is there a way to disable a second monitor without having to restart X09:44
jdubnup :)09:44
punkassright now my script just comments/uncomments out the Nvidia Twinveiw stuff09:45
PizbitSo, who's the lucky person who gets page of stuff that went wrong?:)09:45
punkassthen i do a ctl-alt-del09:45
jdubPizbit: ubuntu-users list, or bugzilla for specific issues09:45
Pizbit(Not really that bad, I include some info on my setup)09:45
punkassnup?09:45
jdubnup as in no09:45
punkassis that like no-yup09:45
punkasslol09:45
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bur[n] ersomeone should hack gnome for wheel mouse vwm switching... like all other wm's... kde, xfce, fluxbox09:47
tvonsome folks seem to like that09:48
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tvonYou could probably do it with libwnck or whatever its called09:49
bur[n] erthat nautilus plugin stuff?09:49
crimsunbur[n] er: check metacity's bug reports09:49
tvonnah, metacity09:49
crimsunsomeone may have already have done that09:49
punkassjdub: is it up to a developer of an app to give it to you guys or do you just add them to universe when u see fit?09:49
tvontis a metacity thing, not nautilus09:49
bur[n] eri thought it was a nautilus job to draw the desktop09:50
tvonyou could use openbox for example (or some wm that supports it) instead of nautilus09:50
tvoner, metacity09:50
stevedeoHey, tvon :)09:50
bur[n] erhrm09:50
jdubpunkass: atm, universe is pretty much just debian main09:50
bur[n] erwonder if i could use fluxbox in gnome :)09:50
tvonnautilus does draw the desktop, but metacity handles the virtualdesktops09:50
tvonyou can09:50
tvonstevedeo: howdy, hows it goin?09:50
stevedeoGood. Have you been converted? ;)09:50
punkassjdub: ah ok, http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ these guys just have a pretty nice bittorrent client09:50
bur[n] erwould hte stuff i set in "keyboard shortcuts' still work?09:50
punkasswould be cool to have a package for it09:51
tvonnot sure actually, havent done it in a while09:51
punkasstho its a pretty easy install09:51
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punkassand how'd that go?09:51
bur[n] eri don't get how to do it if it's not compileable09:51
bur[n] erit went horribly09:51
punkassah..and its based on java09:51
bur[n] eri thought i was doing it right09:51
punkasslol09:51
punkassdoh09:51
bur[n] erit is based on java09:52
bur[n] erjust install java09:52
tvonstevedeo: converted? man, I was hear early :)09:52
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bur[n] erextract azureus09:52
bur[n] erln -s to make it in /usr/bin :) and bam09:52
tvonstevedeo: I still have interest in UserLinux of course, but there is more action going on with Ubuntu :)09:52
punkassyeah i know...its just nice to have everything via synaptic09:52
bur[n] eragreed09:52
stevedeotvon: Yeah, same. I had to see ubuntu for about 3 seconds before I realized how much better a solution it was. Was just curious if you were still interested in UL.09:53
bur[n] erit would be nice to have it on the default install09:53
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punkassyeah that'd be nice09:53
tvonstevedeo: yeah, still interested. Honeslty I'm not sure if much of the UL community knows wha the aim of the project is at the moment...09:53
stevedeotvon: Ah, good to hear. It's a good project - hopefully it can work cooperatively with ubuntu. I like the idea, but Bruce was having a lot of difficulty motivating a community.09:53
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stevedeotvon: Yeah, the goal is pretty nebulous. And Bruce is more than content to move at his own pace, which is pretty slow.09:54
tvonstevedeo: yeah09:54
stevedeoI'm sure by the time UL is quite useful, it will be very closely related to ubuntu ;)09:54
tvonhah09:54
tvonThe main problem I have iwth it is that the goal is not that clear.  At some point I was offering to make custom gnome packages for UL, but hte consensus was that UL was not going to repackage things that were available upstream...which immediately limits what UL can possibly do09:55
stevedeoSeriously. Canonical is just too much awesome to let go to waste - UL might as well just kind of create a new market for ubuntu (more or less)09:55
stevedeotvon: Yeah, true.09:55
stevedeoBruce is a pretty big Debian advocate, though. Perhaps a tad too pure.09:56
jdubtvon: bruce made the expectation that UL was somehow more than debian, which, as it turns out, it is not.09:56
stevedeojdub: He never intended on creating that expectation, I don't think.09:56
tvonWhen I first got involved with UL I thought it was trying to be what it turns out Ubuntu is09:56
stevedeoThe biggest step away from Debian he was willing to make was "possibly binary drivers.... maybe"09:56
jdubif he'd made that clear upfront, i think it would have made it easier for him09:56
stevedeotvon: Same09:56
stevedeojdub: For sure. His first press releases were too unfocused.09:57
stevedeoHe made himself pretty clear on the mailing list, though.09:57
tvonI mean, if you polled the mailing list you'd get 10 different answers to "what is the goal of UserLinux"09:57
jdub(dissing useful free software companies is not a brilliant strategy either)09:57
stevedeotvon: True09:57
stevedeojdub: ?09:57
stevedeojdub: The whole anti-RH anti-suse stuff?09:58
jdubyeah09:58
tvonah09:58
stevedeoI suppose. He has a kind of Stallman-esque view of the industry, though.09:58
stevedeoHe might be a little to "zen" to make a decent business case for UL ;)09:59
tvonhehe09:59
tvonStallman is kinda nutty09:59
jdubmy fiancee met rms this afternoon09:59
stevedeoSeriously - he makes $300/hr, so I'm sure UL seems like a great solution to some of his business problems. But most businesses don't run that way (one-man shows at $300/hr, I mean)09:59
jdubcalled to loudly grizzle about how rude and annoying he is10:00
stevedeojdub: Seriously?10:00
stevedeoHa ha ha ha!10:00
stevedeoAwesome.10:00
jdubshe had prior warning, but first hand experience is... enlightening.10:00
tvoncertainly10:00
stevedeoHehe10:00
tvonMy main client is pretty close with him...I've heard stories10:01
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stevedeojdub: You're in Aus, right?10:01
homeasoh yeah ? well my sister used to go out with his sister.  so there.10:01
homeaswhoops, wrong channel10:02
tvonThey share an office with the Womens Legal Defense Fund (I think they are called)...who had some complaints about RMS when he was visiting10:02
tvonwalking around with no shoes/socks...stuff like that10:02
stevedeotvon: Ha ha ha... that sounds likely :)10:02
stevedeoNot to mention funny as hell.10:02
jdubstevedeo: yes10:02
tvonhah10:03
homeasjdub, what did pia and him argue about ?10:03
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mjrwell that kinda enforces some female stereotypes ;)10:03
stevedeojdub: Mind if I ask your opinion of a recent CS Honours grad from middle-of-fucking-nowhere Canada getting sponsored for an Aus work visa? :)10:03
stevedeo(In the job market, not at Canonical.)10:03
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defendguinmdz, i deleted my kernel log rebooted my box ran memtest , no errors, when i booted back up it froze 3 times after i logged in to gnome after each freeze i had to reboot.10:04
jdubstevedeo: hrm, dunno10:06
jdubstevedeo: the work is picking up a bit here, depending on what you want to do10:06
stevedeojdub: .NET/C# development, most likely. Java, if I had to.10:06
Pizbitdefendguin: NVIDIA drivers installed?10:06
defendguinno10:07
stevedeojdub: Mono, if I manage to land some kind of dream job ;)10:07
defendguinshouldnt be anyway i dont have a nvidia card10:07
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jdubstevedeo: haven't heard of too many mono gigs around here yet10:07
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stevedeojdub: Yeah, I imagine they are still pretty sparse.10:07
jdubstevedeo: nice place to be, but we're going down some of the same stupid roads canada has10:08
defendguinthe nvidia common package is installed though10:08
stevedeoConsulting, I've tried forcing mono on a few clients (half-assed, at least). But no one I work for atm runs an open source OS to begin with :P10:08
defendguinnot sure why it is needed10:08
stevedeojdub: Oh? What roads might those be? (There are many)10:08
jdubbilateral idiotic free trade agreements with the US, selling off state telco, etc., etc.10:09
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defendguinwhere are the Xsession errors kept?10:10
thursdayhowdy10:12
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stevedeojdub: Ah. Yeah, I can probably deal with that. :)10:13
defendguinmdz, i dont see anything obvious in the kernel log10:13
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digitalSurgeonhow is ubuntu compared to debian 10:14
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defendguindigitalSurgeon,    ubuntu > debian10:20
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neuro_( ubuntu ( debian) )10:20
digitalSurgeonubuntu is a superset of debian ?10:21
Keybuka subset10:21
Seveasgood_linux = (ubuntu)debian;10:21
digitalSurgeonlol10:22
digitalSurgeonok10:22
neuro_( debian ( ubuntu ) ) then :)10:22
digitalSurgeonwhat about gentoo10:22
thursdayhaha10:22
neuro_gentoo != debian10:22
phinew10:22
Seveasgentoo is nice too10:22
phini dont like gentoo much10:22
digitalSurgeoni like the package thing of debian10:22
phinOMG COMPILE OPTIMIZE10:22
digitalSurgeondoes gentoo have that too10:22
phinyes portage10:22
neuro_USE! USE!10:22
Seveasbut yoy'll have to love the (./configure; make; debug;)* ./make install things10:22
phinbut you gotta compile it all10:22
digitalSurgeonportage == apt-get ?10:23
RandomizeOMG 12 hour install time for ubar 5% performance gains! :)  Oh, wait, the install was hosed by hour 10, nevermind. :)10:23
Seveasportage != apt0get10:23
phinportage != apt-get10:23
phin:P10:23
neuro_portage is more like bsd ports10:23
phinexcept not as good10:23
neuro_yah10:23
phinheh10:23
digitalSurgeonwhich package syst is better in ur opinion partage or apt get10:23
phinapt10:23
phinhands down10:23
phini <3 apt10:24
neuro_why not try both and find out? :>10:24
digitalSurgeonand more importantly which one gives me more secure packages 10:24
phinum10:24
phinheh10:24
neuro_package system != security system10:24
digitalSurgeonbut any ways10:24
neuro_run, let's say for sake of argument debian hardended10:24
neuro_you could s/debian/gentoo/ if you like10:24
thursdaythe packages are as secure as the program is10:24
neuro_you'll get "more secure" packages in there than you would stock debian, ubuntu or gentoo10:24
thursdaydoubt the packazge system can do much to fix bug in code10:24
neuro_if that's what you want10:24
neuro_but the packaging method itself can't really give you "more secure" packages per se10:25
digitalSurgeoni think gentoo has a much more committed community as compared to debian10:25
phinhuh?10:25
neuro_define committed?10:25
phinare you smoking crack??10:25
digitalSurgeonjust asking guys10:26
phinhehe10:26
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phinmost debian guys i know would kill for there distro10:26
phinlol10:26
neuro|laptopmoo10:26
digitalSurgeonhmm10:26
digitalSurgeoni have installed debian @ work10:26
digitalSurgeon3 woddy10:26
digitalSurgeonand ubuntu at home10:26
PizbitHeh, old woody:)10:26
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phini prefer sid10:26
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GOwinhow do to re-start all services without rebooting?10:26
phinbut i prefer ubuntu now10:26
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phinfind the pid for inetd10:27
neuro|laptopkill -9 -1 && init 5 i suppose? :>10:27
phinthen kill -HUP inetdpid10:27
neuro|laptopPizbit: tis nice10:27
phinya i like it10:27
digitalSurgeonthey say woody is secure ?10:28
neuro|laptopi'd say the comparison table should really be setting ubuntu warty and fedora core 3 side by side as "more alike" than gentoo imo10:28
digitalSurgeonas compared to sid or testing10:28
neuro|laptopwoody is *stable*10:28
digitalSurgeonstable != secure ??10:28
neuro|laptopi didn't say that10:28
PizbitdigitalSurgeon: The opposite in fact.10:28
digitalSurgeonpizbit: u mean woody is not secure 10:29
digitalSurgeon?10:29
PizbitWell, there's a security team for woody (and now sarge because it's due to release) but none for sid.10:29
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digitalSurgeonok tell me one thing10:29
PizbitdigitalSurgeon: Why do you keep getting that stupid idea? Besides, a distro is always as secure as you make it.10:29
digitalSurgeoni have this woody installed in office: will it update then they release sarge ?10:30
digitalSurgeonvia apt-ge10:30
neuro|laptopif you specified stable and not woody in your sources.list, then yes10:30
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digitalSurgeonpizbit: i'm new dude, help me understand ;)10:30
digitalSurgeondont bve rude10:30
neuro|laptopalthough why you're asking this is #ubuntu and not #debian i don't know :)10:30
neuro|laptops/is/in/10:30
phinya10:30
phinuse debian10:30
phinhehe10:30
phini mean ubuntu10:30
phindamn i needs leep10:31
phinsleep10:31
neuro|laptophehe10:31
digitalSurgeoni think debian and ubunto go hand in hand :p10:31
neuro|laptopleep, nice word usage :)10:31
digitalSurgeonso should there channels10:31
neuro|laptopdigitalSurgeon: knoppix is based on debian10:31
digitalSurgeonlol10:31
neuro|laptopgo into #debian and talk about knoppix10:31
Lathiatno, they dont/shouldnt10:31
punkassso is mepis10:31
neuro|laptopand see how long you last10:31
phindigital: its a diffrent distro10:31
digitalSurgeonlol10:31
digitalSurgeonokies okies guys :p10:31
digitalSurgeonany ways i'm going to mess with ubuntu from now one10:32
digitalSurgeonon10:32
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neuro|laptopa wise decision, young paduwan10:32
=== punkass is very happy with ubuntu
punkasstho it took all the fun out of installing distros every few days ;)10:32
digitalSurgeonmy distro route: rhl > debian > ubuntu :p10:33
digitalSurgeonpunkass i've been doing that10:33
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punkass"what a linux disto that i like and that works well, how can that be!"10:33
Randomizepunkass:  You can have the fun of installing the SAME distro every few hours.  That's what I've been doing for 4 days. :)10:33
digitalSurgeoninstalled slackware, ubuntu, rhk, debian, suse, mandrake, etc etc10:33
punkassRandomize: lol10:33
punkassi installed ubuntu once...and its been fine since10:33
phinredhat > stormix > slackware > debian > ubuntu10:33
phinthou10:33
Seveassuse -> SunOS -> Solaris -> RedHat -> Ubuntu10:34
phini mostly run freebsd to be exact10:34
punkassDebian > Fedora > Arch > Debian > Ubuntu10:34
phini love freebsd10:34
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digitalSurgeonstormix ?10:34
phinbut thats for another channel10:34
phinlol10:34
Seveas:)10:34
digitalSurgeoni need to try that 10:34
PizbitDebian -> RH -> MDK -> Debian, Sarge -> Debian Sid10:34
phindigital: old debian based distro10:34
phinits not around anymore10:34
digitalSurgeonhmm10:34
neuro|laptopslackware > debian potato > rhl > { debian woody | debian sarge | fedora | rhel }10:34
digitalSurgeoni found slackware to be the most fast distro 10:35
punkassi had a mix of mandrake in there, but we wont talk about that10:35
neuro|laptopoh and stormix, progeny, lindows etc10:35
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RandomizeI love ... chicken from Popeye's.10:35
neuro|laptop"most fast"?10:35
digitalSurgeoni hated lindows10:35
digitalSurgeonit fked my windows drives10:35
digitalSurgeonlol10:35
neuro|laptopserves you right for running windows :>10:36
phinhehe10:36
punkasslol10:36
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RandomizeBackups mean never having to say you're sorry. :)10:36
phinamen to that!~10:36
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RandomizeWhich is why I never back up. :)10:36
nyuhuhuuhi10:36
digitalSurgeonlol @ phin10:36
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RandomizeI like saying sorry.  It's a nice round word.10:36
punkassterabyte raid...DOH!10:36
neuro|laptops/his/his employers/, but thinking you have ownership always rocks10:36
digitalSurgeoni should get me self a bigger hard drive too10:36
punkassits really more oblong10:37
RandomizeNot hard to get to a TB these days, Punk. :)10:37
RandomizeDepends on your accent. :)10:37
digitalSurgeondude i am in pakistan stuff is expensive here ;)10:37
punkasstrue enough..but beats my 20GB server10:37
nyuhuhuui'd like to help at translating setup interface and ubuntu specified menu items into hungarian10:37
nyuhuhuuwhat should i do?10:37
RandomizedigitalSurgeon, That doesn't make it hard ... just pricey. :)10:37
neuro|laptop-bash-2.05b$ df -h .10:37
neuro|laptopFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on10:37
digitalSurgeonso how can i get involved with ubuntu more10:38
neuro|laptop. /dev/powervault/lv1   942G   18G  877G   2% /export/0110:38
digitalSurgeonhmm10:38
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digitalSurgeonlol @ neuro10:38
neuro|laptopstupid forward slashes mutter mutter10:38
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digitalSurgeonFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on10:38
digitalSurgeon/dev/hda1              39G  8.3G   28G  23% /10:38
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digitalSurgeonoffice server lol10:38
neuro|laptopslight difference then :)10:38
phinneuro: exec -o 10:38
digitalSurgeonall on one drive 10:39
digitalSurgeonlol10:39
neuro|laptopphin: windows :P10:39
phinah10:39
phinlol10:39
punkassnyuhuuu: talk to jdub, he can probably point u in the right direction10:39
nyuhuhuuthx punkass 10:39
digitalSurgeonnext time will need to make iot more organized10:39
punkassno10:39
punkasser no prob10:39
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neuro|laptopdigitalSurgeon: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community would probably be a good place to start tho10:40
punkasssleeptime, nite all10:42
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nyuhuhuure10:47
RandomizeSo, USB mouse, randomly doesn't work on even cold boots.  2.6.x?  Hotplug?  Using pci=noacpi, nolapic and noapic don't affect the issue.10:47
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Godmoneyhi, anyone here?10:52
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mrjiveciao della10:54
dellaciao10:54
GodmoneyI got an email yesterday - "Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 (Release Candidate)" - but the version I already have is 4.10 - whats the deal with that?10:55
fabbioneGodmoney: there are updates and there will be updates until 4.10 will be final next week10:56
fabbioneyou can fetch the updates from the network directly10:56
fabbioneand it will be exactly the same as if you do a fresh install of Release Candidate10:56
Godmoneywhat do you mean? I'm new to the whole linux thing. can you explain to me how this works?10:57
fabbioneGodmoney: well i can try in simple words10:57
fabbioneif you don't understand stop me, ok?10:57
Godmoneyplease do10:57
Godmoneyo.k.10:57
fabbionethere several ways to update/upgrade linux10:58
fabbionethe basic concept is that you never need to reinstall a linux machine once it is installed10:58
fabbioneyou can just upgrade it10:58
fabbioneto do that you have several options10:58
fabbionethe easiest way (for me at least)10:59
fabbioneis to use the network updates10:59
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fabbionenow if you have like an adsl line or cable modem that will probably fits you too10:59
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Godmoneyfabbione: from where I get those updates?10:59
dellado the "interesting results" mentioned in the ubuntu FAQ for upgrading from sarge to warty mean that my computer will stop working?10:59
fabbioneGodmoney: from the internet11:00
fabbioneGodmoney: open an xterm11:00
fabbioneor a gnome-terminal11:00
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fabbioneand then write: sudo apt-get update11:00
miguelhi11:00
Godmoneyo.k. I think I know what you mean. then what is that release they sent out yesterday11:00
fabbioneit should tell you that is downloading some files11:00
fabbioneGodmoney: it is just another snapshot. more bugfixes11:01
miguelplease, anyone can help me? i need to make a boot 3 1/2 disk with ubuntu and i don't know how to make it11:01
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fabbioneGodmoney: it is like preview with all the updates you got from the network until 2 days ago11:01
Godmoneythen shouldn't I install it anyway just to make sure I have all the important updates?11:01
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fabbioneGodmoney: there are people that can install only from CD11:01
fabbioneGodmoney: no. linux is not like windows :)11:02
Godmoneyo.k. 11:02
fabbioneGodmoney: if you update from the network you get all of them11:02
Godmoneythanks alot :)!11:02
fabbioneGodmoney: there is NO need to reinstall :-))11:02
Godmoneysudo apt-get update - do it for me automatically?11:02
fabbioneGodmoney: i installed my server approx 4 years ago...11:02
fabbioneGodmoney: sudo apt-get update11:02
fabbioneand then:11:02
fabbioneGodmoney: sudo apt-get upgrade11:02
fabbione2 steps11:02
miguelplease, anyone can help me? i need to make a boot 3 1/2 disk with ubuntu and i don't know how to make it11:03
Godmoneyis it the same like the gnome graphical apt update?11:03
fabbioneGodmoney: and since then i only upgraded it11:03
fabbioneGodmoney: yes. you can use synaptic11:03
Godmoneyyes - thats what I was talknig about :)11:03
Godmoneywhat is better to use?11:03
Godmoneyand do you have good sources to connect with synaptic?11:03
fabbioneGodmoney: synaptic is sort of "only" a graphical frontend for apt-get11:04
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fabbioneGodmoney: you can check the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list11:04
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fabbioneGodmoney: if you want you can paste them to me in prvate and i will check them for you11:05
fabbionemiguel: we don't create/support boot floppies.. what about booting/installing from the network?11:05
Godmoneythanks11:05
GodmoneyI have to go now11:05
GodmoneyI'll contact you in about 2 hours11:05
Godmoneythanks again :)11:05
fabbioneGodmoney: if i will be around :-)11:06
Deftwhat's this multiverse repository about?11:06
miguelaaps, so i have a problem then... i've installed ubuntu with the windows hd disconnected, so now i can't boot ubuntu anyway without redisconnecting windows hd...11:07
Deftmiguel, do you mean that youinstalled grub on the second hard disk?11:07
miguelexactly...11:07
Deftthen you need to either chain load grub from the windows boot loader, or install grub on the first11:08
Deft(note that I'm not sure how to do the first of those)11:08
migueli've tried with bootmagic, but grub doesn't work... don't know why.. with knoppix i used to do this and everything went ok...11:08
Deftwhat stage does it get to? at a first guess I would think you hadn't updated your menu.lst to point to hd111:09
beezlyhehe11:10
beezlyfrom another channel...11:10
beezly<mumart> WTF?11:10
beezly<mumart> My ubuntu system is full of some sort of porn.11:10
migueleeehm, (i apologize for my English...) the problem is this: now i'm with ubuntu, so i have hd1 phisically disconected...11:10
miguelso hd1 does not exist. if i connect it i can't boot with ubuntu...11:11
Deftmiguel, uh, ok, what connectors are your drives going to be attached to, and what where they attached to when you installed ubuntu?11:11
Deftcan someone in front of an ubuntu box tell me what I packages I need to install to play frozen-bubble please11:12
miguelwhen i installed ubuntu the master hd was disconnected. i did it because i didn't want to loose my windows installation...11:12
miguelfrozen bubble? i have it on mi laptop's knoppix, wait a minute, i will look for it11:13
digitalSurgeonubuntu here i come ;)11:13
Deftmiguel, did you change the other drive to master?11:13
Deftmiguel, and also, thanks, but I need to know what in particular I need for ubuntu, I have the whole dependency list but I don't know what I have installed by efault on ubuntu11:14
miguelno, if i do it, i will not know how to boot with windows.... :S11:14
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miguelmy idea was this: install ubuntu in hdb, without hda, then run windows and install bootmagic... but with bootmagic ubuntu doesn't boot... so i wanted to make a boot 3 12 disk... but here i'm said it is not possible...11:16
miguelis there any way to make a boot floppy?11:17
Deftmiguel, so you made your second drive the master when you installed it? in other words, did you install to hda or hdb?11:19
miguelto hdb11:19
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rocknutshiya11:21
rocknutsCan anyone direct me to resources where I can maybe get sound operating in Ubuntu?11:24
jpvcxwhat sound card do you use?11:24
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rocknutsIt's an onboard one on my Dell.  My system identifies it as an Intel 82801DB AC'97 device11:26
deFryskvia82xx11:29
kentrocknuts, Those soundcards are hard to get working sometime..  Its probably not Ubuntus fault.11:29
rocknutsYep, I've had problems in the past.  Guess it's time to buy an Audigy!11:30
rocknutsMind you, it worked fine under SuSE, Xandros, Fedora Core 2, Redhat 8/9 and Mandrake11:30
deFryskrocknuts, did you try alsamixer ?11:30
kentrocknuts, I have one of those and it workes for me ;)11:31
jpvcxRocknuts: could you post the output off lsmod11:32
rocknutsYep.  2 secs11:32
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rocknutsWant it in a PM jpvcx?11:32
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rocknutsdarn11:34
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ddaaHeya.11:35
phin~hi11:36
digitalSurgeonmy windows machine is choking :(11:36
phinits windows11:37
phinits what it does11:37
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ddaaI just burned the ppc rc1 iso. I am able to mount it on my desktop PC, however when I insert it in my iBook and reboot pressing Alt, it does not appear as a bootable device in the OpenFirmare graphical chooser.11:37
joolzi apt-get installed anacron earlier this week but it doesn't seem to do anything. Do i have to start the daemon manually from some rc script?11:37
joolzi thought the install would do this but i guess it didn't.11:38
phinwhat is anacron?11:38
joolzit will run cronjobs scheduled during downtime of the pc11:38
joolzideal for workstations that are down during the night11:38
phinoh thats cool11:38
joolzyes it is, if it works :)11:39
phinlol11:39
ddaaEven more, it does not appear in MacOS X on my iBook11:39
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topylii haven't even thought about anacron. imo it should be installed by default on such a desktop-oriented distro11:43
topylibut seems like it's not :)11:43
phindoes ubuntu come with hte 10mb wlan driver?11:43
phinor just the 211:43
phini cant figure out how to get mine into 10mb mode11:44
pittitopyli: even worse, it is not even in supported :-(11:44
rocknutsI got Mac OS X working under Ubuntu11:44
rocknuts:D11:44
topylipitti: grr. i'd consider it a bug11:44
pittitopyli: me too, I just noticed it myself11:45
frederikhello everyone :)11:45
pittitopyli: mind to write a report in bugzilla?11:45
pittiHello frederik11:45
topylipitti: i'll do that. what do you think it should be filed against? :)11:45
frederikI thought this might be the right place to point out some problems I encountered after/while installing ubuntu 11:45
frederikor is there a bug tracking system?11:46
pittitopyli: I'd take UNKNOWN11:46
topylipitti: or perhaps ubuntu-desktop should depend on anacron?11:46
pittifrederik: there is : bugzilla.ubuntu.com11:46
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pittifrederik: reports to bugzilla arep preferred, so reports do not get lost11:46
frederikpitti: ok, thanks. I'm going to first check if I find the problems I had11:47
pittitopyli: not for warty, in any case; but at least it should be supported11:47
pittitopyli: the package could be recommended11:47
frederikFor which CPU are Warty's package's optimized? 11:48
jpvcxi38611:48
frederikah, ok11:48
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frederikas it's a gnome based distribution it won't run on anything slower than a pentium anyway, so why not optimize it for eg 586 upwards11:49
frederik?!11:49
frederikwell, anyway, I'll have a look at bugzilla11:49
joolzfrederik: good point, i'm for it :)11:50
joolzubuntu already is very fast, but the faster the better11:50
phinso11:50
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phinif i apt-get install wlan-ng11:50
phini should have 10mb?11:50
phinanyone?11:50
frederikjoolz: yes, I was supprised, too11:51
ddaafrederik: I'm not on top of it technically, but they have been discussing that, I remeber lamont talking about such issues in particular.11:51
jimihi11:51
frederikjoolz: Is it Gnome 2.8 that turned faster than the older versions?!?11:51
hazmatthe optimizations used get the majority of the benefits while maintaining compatiblity11:51
joolzfrederik: no idea, i come from fedora core 2, so that's my comparison11:51
joolzand fedora is *slow*11:51
frederikjoolz, never used it11:52
ddaafrederik: there are optimizations which schedule the instructions to optimize for 686 while only using the 386 instruction set.11:52
ddaafrederik: empirical evidence tend to show that cpu-specific instructions sets optimizations by gcc tend to actually slow things down.11:52
ddaaAt least for generic desktop software.11:53
ddaaThey are probably useful for specialize multimedia code, but that's another story.11:53
ddaafrederik: but take that with a grain of salt, as I told you, I'm not on top of it.11:53
frederikddaa, I compared Gentoo and Debian on an older PIII 500 and Gentoo, while using the same software, running the same daemons etc. was much faster11:54
frederikddaa, but I used prelinking etc. on gentoo, so it's not quite fair11:54
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hazmatsame filesystem?11:54
ddaafrederik: that will probably raise interest among the ubuntu devel if you can actually provide measurements of comparable things. Which is easier said than done.11:54
hazmatsame kernel?11:54
Zombfrederik: not fair at all. Use a self-compiled kernel with preempt and redundant features removed and compare then.11:55
mrjivewhat about apps that i install and are not in the menu? is there a way to have a complete menu?11:55
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phinhmm11:55
jpvcxmrjive:you could add them yourself11:55
frederikhazmat, as far as I remember11:55
Zombactually, that is something I will try to compare with a teammate here, soon. He is compiling gentoo right now and is very proud of it.11:56
joolzmrjive: i found on google that you should point nautilus to application://11:56
joolzand then create a link11:56
joolzbut it didn't work for me11:56
mrjivejpvcx, yes, for me it is not a problem, but if i give ubuntu to newbies...11:56
mrjivejoolz, ok, but as before.. people look at the menu..11:57
mrjivewhat is the policy? i mean, which apps go into the menu? those in main or restricted and not those in univers? ot it depends on the application?11:58
frederikZomb, I'm not a gentoo-fanatic at all, I just found the machine quite unusable running debian. Firefox was much faster (and here I'm sure) on gentoo11:58
ddaamrjive: many unsupported applications are not in the menu by default because they do not integrate well with the desktop, precisely to avoid confusing newbies. I do not know how you can register additional menu entries, but I'm pretty sure you can do it.11:58
hazmatmrjive, it goes by the freedesktop standard11:58
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hazmatmrjive, so it depends on what the app or its packaging decides for itself11:59
Zombfrederik: as said, I will only believe in such claims when I first see it and can compare numbers (under the same conditions)11:59
mrjiveok11:59
Zombfrederik: and I will run usual tests: KDE start (with the same stuff installed), then Firefox start, OpenOffice start, etc.11:59
ddaamrjive: the policy is something along the lines of "apps in desktop go to the menu", but that is modulated some to avoid excessive clutter.11:59
Zombooops, Ubuntu does not even have KDE12:00
frederikZomb, hehe12:00
ddaaZomb: check universe12:00
frederikZomb, yeah, try it. I'm sceptical myself12:00
frederikZomb, but I'm pretty sure I noticed a real difference with firefox. But as I said, I had prelinking. So at least the startup time had to be shorter12:01
ddaaI believe KDE is in universe.12:01
mrjiveddaa, ok :)12:01
mrjiveis martin pitt here?12:01
ddaamrjive: he's pitti12:02
mrjivemaybe pitti ? 12:02
mrjivetnx :)12:02
pittimrjive: ? What's up?12:03
mrjivehi :)12:03
topylipitti: ok, anachron bug filed against UNKNOWN12:03
frederikbtw where should I suggest new features? In the wiki (or not at all ;) )? I think Packet Writing support would be wonderful and it should have improved a lot since 2.6.812:03
mrjivepitti, nothing, i just set you an email about automount not working12:03
pittitopyli: thanks12:03
digitalSurgeoni dont want to check universe it's so scary and vast :')12:03
digitalSurgeon:'(12:03
digitalSurgeonlol12:04
mrjivewith the output of dmesg, lshal etc..12:04
ddaahi pitti, is there any record of boot problem with the ppc install cdrom?12:04
pittiddaa: I heard reports about failed boots on G5 machines12:04
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mrjiveat a first look everything seems right, but devices are not mounted automatically..., but no hurry12:04
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pittiddaa: it works perfectly on the iBook12:05
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mrjivei installed ubuntu on a powerbook with no troubles12:05
mrjiveeccept the fact that i told him not to install yaboot on the hda mbr, but hi did this the same...12:06
pittimrjive: oh, that one, sorry. I looked at it yesterday, but everything looks fine12:06
ddaapitti: I cannot even seem to get the cdrom device on my ibook... I do not remember the name of the module. You know, my system is a bit crackful... testing updated to ubuntu back in the week before oxford...12:06
mrjivepitti, yes... wery strange...12:06
mrjive*very12:06
pittimrjive: but you can mount all partitions manually?12:06
mrjivepitti, yes12:07
pittiddaa: why not just install rc on the thing= ? Everything works out of the box now12:07
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ddaapitti: that's what I'm trying to do, but the cdrom does not boot...12:07
pittimrjive: I isntalled 4 partitions on my USB stick to test sth similar, but even that works12:07
pittiddaa: does yaboot get active at least?12:07
ubuntu_noobihello. how do you start firestarter without having to sudo from a root terminal?12:08
pittimrjive: can you additionally do the following, please:12:08
pittimrjive: killall gnome-volume-manager; gnome-volume-manager12:08
ddaapitti: nope, the cdrom does not show up in the openfirmware boot selector and does not mount in OS X...12:08
mrjivepitti: yes12:08
mrjiveoh!12:09
mrjiveit works now!12:09
mrjive?12:09
ddaaNext thing i do once the upgrade is done is reboot in osx and try with some audio cd... if it breaks it's probably a hardware problem again...12:09
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muellingHello there! 12:09
mrjivepitti: how come?12:10
digitalSurgeoni think ubuntu is more focused on gnome ?12:10
digitalSurgeonam i right ?12:10
jdubyrd12:10
jdubyes12:10
digitalSurgeongood12:10
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muellingCan anyone please tell som noob like me, where i can find the ncurses devel library so that i can use the make menconfig for a new kernel? :-)12:11
digitalSurgeoni like gnome more12:11
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pitti_mrjive: argh, communicatus interruptus12:11
mrjivepitti_: np :)12:12
pitti_mrjive: what was the last thing you heard from me?12:12
jdubmuelling: apt-cache search ncurses dev :-)12:12
mrjivepitti_: kill gnomevm and restart gnomevm12:12
hazmatis there a gui editor for run levels in ubuntu?12:12
pitti_mrjive: please do killall gnome-volume-manager; gnome-volume-manager12:12
mrjivepitti_: and now it works!12:12
pitti_mrjive: and stick inthe stick12:12
Treenakshazmat: no12:12
pitti_mrjive: this gives you some debugging messages12:12
mrjivepitti_: yes12:12
pitti_mrjive: ugh, it works automatically?12:13
mrjivepitti_: yes!12:13
pitti_mrjive: when did you start your session, i. e. how long does your gnome already runs?12:13
pitti_mrjive: can you please verify that it really works by logging out and back in?12:13
mrjivepitti_: my session has been up for 4 hours now12:14
mrjiveok let me log out/log in12:14
pitti_mrjive: hmm, okay12:14
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mrjivegreat it is working now12:16
mrjivesounds magic...:P12:16
samuelcCould anybody explain why "apt-get install glib" isn't working?12:20
pitti_samuelc: what do you want to do?12:21
pitti_samuelc: there is no glib package12:21
pitti_mrjive: odd, I don't see why it should have failed before...12:21
muellingThanks for the help. When i do apt-get update. Does it also update the list of the synaptic-packagemanager?12:21
mrjivepitti_: me neither... but if it work now... let thigs go ;)12:22
pitti_mrjive: that's the odd things about computers ...12:23
mrjivepitti_: yes :)12:24
mrjivei'm very happy to have discovered ubuntu. i alwasy felt the struggle of wanting to install debian as a desktop to friends but thinking that it is too complicated...12:25
mrjive(sorry for may english...)12:25
Pizbitmuelling: It's the same list:)12:25
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pbaldantaHi12:26
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malte`hi... where's 'esdplay' in ubuntu packages?12:28
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mrjiveok thanx for now, see you later12:29
rmtIt looks like Ubuntu is popular or something. ;)12:30
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Yngwiek12:38
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l3eg0olasok.. so I install ubuntu.. now when I say apt-get install snort.. it asks me to insert the first CD-ROM.. why? it can download everything from the net..12:44
malte`l3eg0olas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list12:44
l3eg0olasand what do I add in sources.list?12:45
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malte`you comment the first line12:47
malte`and uncomment the next two12:47
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malte`and, if you want the universe thing, read the rest :)12:47
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l3eg0olasyes,.. thanks..12:48
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Red|Girlhi12:48
jimiwow, ubuntu is in top5 on distrowatch12:50
jimi=] 12:50
JanneManybody know which input method system that is slated for Haory?12:50
Lathiatheh12:51
Treenaksinput method system?12:51
JanneMfor Japanese, chinese and so on12:51
JanneMfor the time being I have managed to install uim and it actually works really well12:52
JanneMit would be nice to know what is planned, though12:52
jdubJanneM: we want to do i* for hoary12:53
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jdubintegrate it really nicely by default, etc.12:53
rmtIs there a gnome recommended way to do specific kb hacks?12:53
Treenaksrmt: like?12:54
Bung_dont suppose anyones had problems with 'debootstrap' during install?12:54
Bung_base install i should say12:54
jdubrmt: see keyboard dialogue in desktop preference12:54
jimibung : yes12:54
jimiyou mean kernel not installing?12:54
rmtTreenaks: Like Right-Alt aoue would insert german umlaut chars & euro.12:54
Bung_if thats what that error means ... 12:55
Treenaksrmt: what jdub said12:55
Bung_base install just errors and i cant skip or anything12:55
Bung_=/12:55
jimiif you switch to console 3 during install crash (ctrl+alt+F3)12:55
Bung_ok12:55
jimiyou see what actually causes problem12:55
Bung_ah12:55
rmtjdub: Recommended way is to create one's own keyboard layout, I guess.. kbd, or other?12:55
JanneMjdub: thing is, I've used i* in the past, and I was surprised how much smoother uim seems to be12:56
jimiif it is about linux-386 package not installing, this bug is known and they are working on it12:56
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jdubJanneM: mmm, seems it's the growing standard though - so best to support and improve it...12:56
JanneMperhaps12:56
jdubJanneM: perhaps we can provide both if it's easy to handle12:56
JanneMwell uim went in with very little trouble12:56
Bung_jimi: so if its about linux-386 ... then no ubuntu for me?12:56
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JanneMiiim doesn't really seem very actively developed, swhile uim, anthy and scim seems very active12:57
Treenaksrmt: You can select a keyboard layout in the keyboard settings panel12:57
jimibung : you can install unplugging network12:57
jimiit works12:57
rmtTreenaks: Yah, but it's not a standard keyboard layout. It's my custom layout.12:57
jimithen replug cable before 1st boot12:57
jimianyway, this should be fixed in 1 day or so12:58
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Bung_good thing i used a cdrw then12:58
Bung_;p12:58
jdubrmt: see layout options tab12:58
malte`a little bug: whenever i close synaptic i can't change desktop wallpaper anymore12:59
jimiheh12:59
Bung_anyways im on a laptop and cant exactly pull the network cable, there isnt one, centrino12:59
jimioh12:59
jimiwhen the install process launch, is it asking (and succeeding) dhcp ?12:59
Bung_yea i presume so, no errors when it did the networking bit01:00
Bung_the install continued on its merry way01:00
jimihum01:00
Bung_well let me go check that console 3 bit01:00
jimiyou dont have a switch-off for wireless (like vaio's one)01:01
Bung_see what it says01:01
Bung_nope =/01:01
jimi:/01:01
Bung_but thnx for the help01:01
jiminp01:01
Bung_ill see what it says01:01
JanneMrmt: you know how to make a custom layout?01:01
jimimaybe its another problem hehe01:01
rmtJanne: xmodmap or other?01:02
Bung_well 5am, will do it tomoro, thnx again01:02
jdubrmt: xmodmap doesn't play well with xkb01:02
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jimi5am ?01:02
rmtOk, so I must xkb. Ta. :)01:02
JanneMrmt: that is workable in buntu01:02
jimiwhere are you? :)01:03
Bung_alberta01:03
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jimiok... good night -_-01:03
Bung_:)01:04
Bung_cya01:04
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jimiis mem and hdd suspend is working on laptops?01:09
Bliksemcan I edit my sources.list to include all the packages in packages.debian.org?01:11
jimiit is not recommeded :)01:11
TreenaksBliksem: you could, but you don't want to01:11
Bliksemwhenever i try to instal something i end up downloading about 10 dependencies from this site01:11
jimi"universe sould be enough for everyone01:11
jimilol01:11
TreenaksBliksem: it probably breaks stuff horribly01:11
ubuntu_noobican someone point me to a guide on how to setup a dialin server?01:13
ubuntu_noobiplease?01:13
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Bliksemok, I'll not mess about with it,01:14
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Bliksemnow onto theming gnome, basic howto guide anywhere?01:14
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Bliksemor good source for themes?01:15
TreenaksBliksem: freshmeat?01:15
deFryskapt-get install gnome-themes-extras01:15
deFryskand art.gnome.org01:15
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TreskewlCan someone help me setup an IT8212 ide raid card on ubuntu?01:47
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joebeastie201:53
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flevourhi all01:57
flevourcan i ask here whether i should fill a bug report or not?01:57
flevouror is there a dev-specific channel?01:57
Mithrandirjust ask here, first at least.01:59
flevourok01:59
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flevouri ran livecd rc3 and found a lot of missing translations01:59
flevourin my language01:59
flevourfor example, programs were launched with english localization01:59
Muttleyhi, just wondered if there was an mplayer package for ubuntu now?02:00
Mithrandirflevour: probably just missing translations, then02:00
nreidHi guys,  any pointers on kernel recomps?  Especially ubuntine methods for patching the source etc.02:00
LathiatMuttley: you can use the debian marillat ones fine02:00
MuttleyLathiat: ahh, no 64 bit though?02:01
nreidReally want to get acpi standby going for my nc6000.02:01
Ngnot that marrilat provides, at least :(02:01
NgI rebuilt his source package as 64bit and it just crashes a lot ;)02:02
flevourMithrandir, missing translation for big programs such evolution, firefox ... ?02:02
Mithrandirflevour: into what language?02:02
nreidAnd the smc irda module... but I don't want to compromise any additional patches that are used in the default kernel.02:02
MuttleyNg: sucks :(02:02
LathiatMuttley: i wouldnt know02:02
LathiatNg: maybe mplayer 64bit just sucks :)02:02
Lathiatwhich would nto surprise me in the slightest02:02
Muttleyheh, runs fine here on debian :)02:02
NgLathiat: it is way more useful as a 32bit binary ;)02:03
Lathiatespecially with all the random codecs02:03
NgI was wondering about making a static 32bit version02:03
Muttleyonly the win32 stuff doesn't work, which means no wmv or qt02:03
Ngbut I'm going to need a 32bit chroot at some point02:03
Muttleybut a 32bit chroot solves that02:03
BliksemWTF does this mean "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ? Im trying to install librsvg02:03
Bliksemand then insall gnome-themes-extras02:03
LathiatBliksem: Why are you trying to compile them?02:04
MithrandirBliksem: you seem to be missing gcc -- install build-essential02:04
LathiatBliksem: Why not use the packaged versions, much cleaner and easier...02:04
TreskewlCan someone help me setup an IT8212 ide raid card on ubuntu?02:05
nreidIs there anything special I need to select during a kernel configuration to ensure that the hotplug stuff works?02:05
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Lathiatnreid: youll want all the usb module support etc etc etc, whyd you break it?02:06
flevourMithrandir, italian02:06
Treenaksnreid: kernel hotplugging support -- but why build your own?02:06
BliksemLathiat: what/where are packaged versions?02:06
Ngnreid: enable hotplug and lots of stuff as modules :)02:06
LathiatBliksem: apt tells me its in main02:06
Mithrandirflevour: I don't know, I don't know italian :)02:06
LathiatBliksem: ahh gnome-themes-extras is in universe 02:06
LathiatBliksem: enable the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list02:07
flevourMithrandir, eheh, btw i guess my bug its https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=176002:08
nreidI haven't broken it yet, but I feel I need to recomp to get 1) smc-irda (?) module required for HP nc6000 irda support02:08
Mithrandirflevour: ah, possibly, yes.02:09
Treenaksnreid: are you sure that module is not yet in ubuntu ?02:09
nreidAnd 2) 02:09
nreidthe standby support - forgotten the name of the project.02:09
Treenaksswsusp02:10
Lathiatnreid: software suspend 2?02:10
Lathiative been meanign to put up a buntu kernel with swsusp for abit02:10
TreenaksI'll wait for hoary for standby stuff02:10
Lathiatand mppe and the orinoco scannign drivers as well02:10
Treenaksas long as my harddrive spins down..02:10
nreidYep, that's the one - Thanks - been trawling to find it.02:11
nreidHas anyone tried it?02:11
nreid(On a recent kernel rev in ubuntu)02:11
Lathiatit works fine on the dsame debian kernel02:11
Lathiathavnent built th eubuntu kernel yet but i doubt its much different02:12
nreidI've come from a slack/gentooy type background and it's strange - I never had any hesitation recomping in those systems.02:13
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nreidIn ubuntu, it's all so complete that I don't particularly feel like breaking it!02:13
Lathiataheh02:14
nreidA testament to the Canonical guys, I'm sure.02:14
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Lathiatnreid: You should just rcompile the stock kernel with the additions you need02:19
Lathiatcheck out the source, copy the config in, make oldconfig, menuconfig to ad your changes and use make-kpkg02:20
Lathiatim off02:20
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robertjCompiling a custom system is just a bad idea usually02:24
robertjLike on OS X, sure you _could_ compile SSL into finder, but that's a bad idea.02:24
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nreidThanks Lathiat!02:28
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attitudeIs there a plan to offer a server version of ubuntu?02:30
jordiattitude: ubuntu can be used in servers02:30
jdubattitude: ubuntu is already a very capable server os :-)02:30
NewUseri havent get my ubuntu cd yet02:30
jdubattitude: if you want a basic install for a server, type 'custom' at the installer boot prompt02:30
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jdubNewUser: they haven't shipped yet02:31
jdubNewUser: we haven't done the final release :)02:31
attitudejdub: yeah I am using it as one right now as a matter of fact02:31
attitudeI was just talking about a version more geared for that area02:31
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jdubattitude: it's geared up and ready to go ;)02:32
NewUserjdub now ubuntu still in beta? 02:32
jdubNewUser: we've just done our release candidate. final will be released on the 20th.02:32
KamionNewUser: release candidate went out on Wednesday, final release is this coming Wednesday02:32
jordiattitude: just use the custom boot option and you won't get X/GNOME installed02:33
NewUserjdub are u workin with ubuntu02:33
NewUser?02:33
attitudegot you thanks02:33
jdubNewUser: yes02:33
attitudebtw I am not sure who the devs are but great job02:35
attitudeI love this distro02:35
attitudefirst one to get me to move off of gentoo on my main pcs02:35
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rsilvaI am helping a friend to install ubuntu in a machine with an Asus motherborad (P4P800-E deluxe with a Intel 865PE chipset). We are trying to configure software raid for /home and /usr (but not /). Everything goes fine until the moment the installer tries to add grub to the HD. At this moment the system freezes. If I change to the console and try to acess the /target (the root directory of the new system) the console freezes too. Is this a known bug? Is02:36
rsilva there a workaround?02:36
DXTanyone here upgraded his warty PR to RC? it works smoothly? just install over it? (is there another way?)02:37
rsilvaDXT: I've been upgrading daily and everything went fine util now (I haven't upgraded directly though).02:38
attitudeI have been upgradeing nightly as well and all is going good02:39
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flevourhey SamBozo !02:40
merriamDXT: why would you install over it?  just apt-get dist-upgrade02:41
attitudemerriam: forgot the apt-get update first ;)02:41
merriami thought he could guess that02:41
attitudemerriam: you are right I was just messing with you02:42
merriamrsilva: i don't know, but i have used software raid and i know it's complicated and fragile02:42
SamBozohey flevour02:42
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attitudewell everyone it is time for me to sleep02:43
attitudelater02:43
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rsilvamerriam: What does "fragile" mean? Isn't it reliable? Or is it hard to configure?02:43
DXTmerriam - installing with the cd adds nothing then? only package upgrades?02:43
merriamrsilva: raid is for availability.  i wouldn't go to that much trouble and not mirror the root partition.02:44
rsilvamerriam: The data is the most important. And if we understood well you should not raid the /boot, so we deciced not to raid the other volatile parts (like /tmp and /var).02:44
SamBozohow long you been running ubuntu flevour ?02:45
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(DXT/#ubuntu) lol haha :P02:54
MithrandirI think the archive scripts runs about three times per hour.02:55
Kamiononce a half-hour.02:55
rsilvamerriam: Price of the 1210sa here: US$ 100,00 (google is good, isn't it?)02:55
DXTIs there a service that I can active to do the dist-upgrade each x time?02:55
DXTw000 terminal output02:55
flevourDXT, man 5 crontab02:55
DXToh cron im such a newbie :)02:55
flevourDXT, man 1 crontab02:55
KamionDXT: I actively recommend against upgrading from cron02:56
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dkghi!02:56
DXTwhy is that?02:56
dkgthere is no mplayer in ubuntu :(02:56
KamionDXT: upgrades occasionally require user interaction02:56
dkgand the movie player is not able to play .bin files :(02:56
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KamionDXT: and dist-upgrade may decide to remove stuff, which could be bad if unattended02:56
RiddellDXT: install cron-apt02:56
dkgshould I mix it with unstable?02:56
Kamioncron-apt is just an implementation of the bad idea, isn't it? :)02:57
flevourdkg, there is no mplayer in debian either. you can build your deb by yourself downloading the sources and running "fakeroot debian/rules" from inside the source02:57
MithrandirKamion: it is02:57
DXTok i'll... think it through :)02:57
Kamiondownloading updates but not installing them (i.e. apt-get -d) is more sensible02:57
merriamrsilva: i see.  :)  i have one working well as a non-raid controller.  one of these days i may be able to say how well it works as a raid controller02:57
dkgflevour: but in marillat.02:57
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rsilvamerriam: Does it has good linux drivers?02:57
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merriamworking well with ubuntu, i mean.  recognized, no problems02:58
digitalSurgeonubuntu rocks02:58
flevourdkg, get the sources http://ftp3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz202:59
rsilvamerriam: Great. I am about to buil a new "killer" box for my work. I may want one of these :-)02:59
merriami can't give an expert opinion on it.  just no hitches02:59
Ngflevour: or use the debian packages. much easier :)03:00
flevourNg, i usually prefer compiling my own deb, but yeah, deb are much easier :P03:00
flevourbrb03:00
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rmtEin paar leute.03:01
DXTis there a gui services editor in ubuntu (dont remember where i saw one.. mebbe suse/mandrake)? im just looking how to check what services run on startup03:01
tolle_Are there any unofficial packages for dbus-cvs, beagle-cvs and dashboard-cvs ?03:03
DXTand another thing, can i configure gnome to react to search-by-typing? (for example in an icon list, when i press k it goes to the first icon beginning with k..)03:03
flevourDXT, i dont know about gui, but i know about the good update-rc.d script which i advice you to read the man page of03:03
NgDXT: I'm not 100% sure about this, but it's possible the ximian setup tools include service runlevel configuration. I think I saw them in one of the ubuntu repositories03:04
DXTthanks both03:04
flevournp03:04
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tolle_DXT, it does automaticly jump to the first one with k, atleast in icons mode.03:04
mgDXT, there is also rcconf03:04
DXTtolle_, it does not react to any keys at least on my gnome..03:05
tolle_DXT, strange..03:06
DXTit was always like that in gnome i think.. i just wondered if i can configure it otherwise..03:06
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DXTit only works in nautilus03:06
DXTat least for me03:06
blokkieis there an enlightenment dep  for ubuntu64 ? 03:06
tolle_DXT, ah, you want it to work in the filechooser?03:07
DXTthat too03:07
DXTcan it be done?03:07
tolle_DXT, I do not think GTK supports it yet.03:08
DXTgah.03:08
jdubDXT: next version :)03:08
tolle_DXT, press ctrl + l03:08
tolle_DXT, and start typing the folder name.03:08
jdubDXT: for list typeahead find03:08
DXTi know this one03:08
DXT:)03:08
DXTbut i hate the new filechooser03:08
Kamionflevour: update-rc.d is really meant only for packages, it's not a user-oriented tool03:08
DXTwhy no simple browsing03:08
DXTwhy03:08
DXT:|03:08
Ng:o03:08
Kamionflevour: (and it has some deficiencies which bite users when they try to use it)03:08
Ngthe new chooser is lovely! :)03:08
Kamionflevour: we'll have a GUI services thingy in hoary, I think03:08
tolle_DXT: I love it, easier to browse different gnome-vfs controlled filesystems.03:08
Ngbookmarks \o/03:08
blokkieis there an enlightenment dep  for ubuntu64 ? 03:09
tsengblokkie: no need to repeat yourself03:09
DXTmebbe =\03:09
tsengblokkie: dpkg -l enlightenment03:09
blokkieI know it's not in the repo's 03:09
blokkieI was wondering if somebody made one 03:10
Kamionblokkie: no, apparently it didn't build, don't know exactly why03:10
blokkieKamion,  --build=x86_64  option is needed 03:11
Kamionif somebody makes it build they are encouraged to send us a patch03:11
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blokkiethat is the only thing it needs03:11
Kamionblokkie: the patch will have to not break i386 and powerpc :)03:11
blokkieI've compiled e16.7  and e17 on amd64  just fine03:12
noxfuIn the sources.list, if I uncomment the deb and deb-src lines with "restricted universe", should I then comment the lines above it that just have "restricted" ?03:12
DXThow can i make mounted drives (perm hds for example) not to appear on the desktop? kinda annoying..03:12
blokkieach , I was not aware of that fact03:12
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jacobAfter an update, should I telinit to some other runlevel, in order to restart all processes that might have been updated?03:12
Kamionnoxfu: yes. sources.list lines generated by recent versions of the installer don't have this duplication03:12
noxfuKamion: Ok, thanks.03:13
Kamionjacob: updated packages generally restart themselves03:13
flevourKamion, i see. 03:13
jacobKamion, yes, services do I suppose, but al the other desktop apps and etc. What does the "experts" do?03:14
Kamionjacob: you can log out and log in again if you want to be sure about desktop stuff03:14
jacobKamion, ok, but if I'm not sure of what packages got updated, wont two telinit's work?03:15
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Kamionjacob: if you insist, yes :)03:16
eaonnice distro peeps03:16
eaonjust one question, how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3s? :)03:16
Kamionjacob: I never bother, personally03:16
jacobKamion, hehe 8) ok, seems like a bit too much overkill then03:17
spiveaon: Install gstreamer-mad, iirc03:17
eaonokay thanks03:17
Kamionjacob: kind of defeats the purpose of a system that generally allows you to upgrade with minimal downtime, too03:17
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jacobKamion, yeah I see your point, still it would be nice to know which processes run forever once booted, so if they arent restarted automatically, one could do so manually03:20
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Kamionif there's anything which doesn't get restarted automatically I'd consider it a bug03:21
eaonhmm there's no gstreamer-mad03:22
sanitarioeaon: it's gstreamer0.8-mad03:22
sanitariogstreamer-* is in universe, gstreamer0.8-* is in main03:22
sanitarioIIRC03:22
eaoncouldn't find gstreamer0.8-mad03:23
sanitariomaybe I'm mistaken... 03:23
sanitariosorry, it's in universe too03:23
jimispeaking about processing, is there a way to monitor and detect "ghost" processes (buggy apps not closing properly for ex), so i can be an upt1me l33t :) without corrupting my system time after time03:23
sanitarioyes, that's correct, the whole thing about mp3/divx/dvd03:23
sanitarioeaon: check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=mp303:24
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jimior there is just ps and kill :/03:26
Ngjimi: how would the system know what a "ghost" process is?03:27
Ngbeyond zombies, obviously03:27
blokkiedo some here work with egroupware ? 03:27
jimiNG : good question, i wonder if someone thought about it and have a solution =)03:28
Ngjimi: I think the effort would be better used fixing the bugs that are making things not close properly ;)03:29
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jimiyeah... but that means every one software is coded properly03:29
jimiis this gonna happen ? 03:29
jimi=] 03:29
Ngit's never gonna be perfect, of course03:30
Ngbut I'd rather not have the system decide my work is going to be destroyed because it thinks the process is broken ;)03:31
jimihehe03:31
Ngit's like the OOM killer03:31
jimi?03:31
NgOut Of Memory03:32
Ngthe kernel starts killing things when it runs out of memory, so it can free some up03:32
jimiok03:32
Nghow do you select the "correct" thing to kill?03:32
jimi/dev/urandom03:32
jimilol03:32
Ngthat's as good as any answer because there is no right answer outside the mind of your user ;)03:32
TreenaksNg: there are multiple ways03:32
TreenaksNg: a) kill the largest thing03:33
TreenaksNg: b) kill the thing that asked for memory03:33
TreenaksNg: c) Kill a program with a pre-defined name03:33
Kamionjimi: the situation you describe isn't *that* common - you do have to work fairly hard to cause things *not* to shut down correctly03:33
NgTreenaks: sucks when you've been modelling a scene for several hours and your very large 3d app that's just asked for a bit more RAM gets slayed ;)03:33
flevourTreenaks, when kernel goess OOM, it means it has no memeroy available both in RAM and in swap?03:33
jimid) dont kill process on defined "vital" process 03:33
jimiprocess list03:33
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Treenaksgoeiemiddag :)03:34
Ngflevour: correct03:34
jimiKamion : ok, good news :)03:34
flevourNg, damn it! that very large 3d app must be a great resource sucker 03:34
Kamionjimi: even if a process doesn't clean up its subprocesses correctly, when it exits they all get reparented to init, which cleans them up anyway03:34
timonsnjij ook goede middag03:35
Kamionjimi: if a process gets so screwed that it can't exit properly, chances are 'kill' won't get rid of it either, but that's rare in practice and often indicates other problems03:35
Ngflevour: sure, if you're hitting OOM it means you need more ram and swap, you can't expect the kernel to magically fix the situation for you ;)03:35
jimihum ok03:36
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jimii had some problem at work, using rsync for backups, of rsync processes geting disconnected from target and runing indefinitly03:36
eaonooh03:36
eaonthere's a ui for apt :)03:36
jimii didnt go further that kill yet03:37
eaonthanks sanitario03:37
jimithan03:37
Kamionjimi: using rsyncd or over ssh?03:37
flevourNg, well, it could detect a fat32/ntfs partition next to itself (for example, your neighboor pc) and format it03:37
jimirsyncd03:37
Ngflevour: hehe03:37
jimirsyncd on windows laptops targeted by linux rsync client03:38
flevourNg, may i ask whats the very large 3d app and how much ram+swap you have?03:38
Ngflevour: it was purely an example, although I'm quite sure I could push lightwave in WINE past the 3gb of ram/swap I have ;)03:38
flevouroh03:38
flevouri see03:39
Ngflevour: my point was about the kernel not being able to tell the difference between a program that's gone mental and stolen all the memory and one that actually needs lots of ram03:39
xortwwhat do you guys think about the new artwork?03:39
port7not bad i guess03:40
port7if a little cheesy..03:40
xortwis this realy the way ubuntu is going?03:40
jimixortw : i would like a choice with theme preview at install, with no default 03:40
jimihehe03:40
eaonnew artwork?03:40
xortwyes03:40
jimifreedom is choice :)03:40
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xortwoke03:40
xortwbut it is what people see the first time they install ubuntu03:41
jimii personaly dont dislike the theme, but it is not appropriate for anyone i guess (pretty obvious reading the reactions lol)03:42
port7so are the 3 nekked people ubuntu developers?03:43
spivNo :)03:43
jimi=)03:43
Nghaha03:43
xortwlol03:43
rmtHiya spiv - when're you getting to Prague?03:43
jimino, those are slave given to ubuntu developpers :s03:43
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port7nekked slaves03:44
jimi=] ~ 03:45
eaonhmmm i feel a like a newbie now03:45
eaoni added the stuff from the howto03:45
eaonbut still no gstreamer0.8-mad for me03:45
xortwhmm, if alot people ask for it... maybe there wil be a ubuntu version sans those (how do i call them) wallpapers03:46
Kamionxortw: we're watching the discussion, and the boss'll be taking a decision before final release03:46
Kamionit's not being ignored03:46
xortwoke thnx, I would like te let you know I like the rest of the Ubuntu distro03:47
jimii think we should propose a theme with dead animals pictures, so the user actually feels more human and more alive03:48
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jimi_^;;;03:49
Ngsod the pictures, turn the sounds off! ;)03:49
flevouri dont remember whether livecd has an option to make an hd-install03:50
bur[n] eriirc, it doesn't03:50
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eaonhand checked now for a gstreamer0.8-mad - thats not there anymore03:56
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sanitarioeaon: did you check in universe? 03:57
pittieaon: should be in universe03:57
eaonuniverse = gstreamer-mad ?03:58
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pittieaon: you have to enable the "universe" secion in synaptic or /etc/apt/sources.list (it's already there, commented out)03:59
pittieaon: then you can install gstreamer0.8-mad normally03:59
MyKq3can i install Thunderbird with apt-get ?03:59
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pittiMyKq3: sure, why not03:59
pittiMyKq3: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird03:59
nreidAnyone had problems with the latest rolled-back (9.3.x) firefox?04:00
nreidI'm segfaulting all over the place.04:00
nreidMessy.04:00
pittinreid: no, they work far better than 1.0...04:00
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pittinreid: oh, that's bad. Can you report this in bz?04:00
MyKq3pitti,  hum and i thought it was just aptget install Thunderbird04:00
MyKq3thanks04:00
cardadoreaon: both gstreamer-mad and gstreamer0.8-mad exist in the reps04:00
cardadorjust checked04:00
nreidSure - I think it may possibly be because of the web dev extension I've installed.04:00
nreidI think it might be .99-1 specific.04:01
spiveaon: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto mentions how to enable universe through synaptic04:01
spiveaon: steps 1 - 3.04:01
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nreidI guess I'll be bz reporting via lynx though ;)04:02
eaonalright, thanks04:02
eaonworks now :)04:02
rmtspiv: Wie ist dein Deutsch jetzt?04:02
spivrmt: I'm staying with a couple of German speakers, as it happens...04:03
rmtspiv: I've been reading Mary's blog.. Austrians, aren't they?04:03
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spivBut I have not yet managed to learn German, despite that :)04:04
spivJa.04:04
rmtspiv: So, what do you know about making gnome's keyboard config recognise a new xkb layout?04:04
spivNot much.  :)04:05
spivI encountered a bug related to that, though, iirc.04:05
spivSearch bugzilla ;)04:05
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jacobIs there a nice midi playing app for Ubuntu?04:07
rmtspiv: You must say "Grss Gott" to them.. (that's an "e" said with very rounded lips)04:08
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rmtspiv: You're in Mallorca right now?  When're you heading closer my way?04:12
spivAbout a week's time...04:13
spivLemme check.04:13
mrjivehi *04:13
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spivWe'll be in Prague from the 23rd.04:14
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spiv(And we'll be there for about three weeks)04:18
rmtspiv: Hmm.. coming closer, like perhaps Munich at all?04:22
rmtPrague's ~3 hours away by car .. but ~7 by train.. horrible to get there. ;)04:22
spivWe are going to fly via Dortmund, I think.04:22
spivI've no idea if that's closer... we're not going to be there very long anyway.04:23
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Bliksemwhats a linux equivalent to nero?04:38
blokkiek3b ? 04:39
nanotechmy icons on my task bar ahve suddenly shrank to 0x0 pixels...in the pefrences i can remedy this, but i don't know what the default size was...can somebody tell me what it is?04:39
nanotechnm04:39
nanotech: /04:39
Bliksemim using ubuntu, is k3b not for KDE?04:39
ZombBliksem: is not windows. You do not need to load Explorer to run notepad.04:40
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nreidDoes anyone know if it's possible to roll-back to previously installed versions of apps using apt-get?04:40
thisfredBliksem: are you trying to burn a data cd? 04:40
Bliksemtrying to burn an iso04:40
thisfredah04:40
Zombnreid: if the version is in your apt cache, install that one with dpkg04:40
Zombnreid: if you do not have any backup -> bad luck04:41
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thisfredI've found something I recall, but I'm not on my ubuntu right now04:41
nreidThanks Zomb.04:41
Kamionyou can only roll back with apt if one of the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list happens to still have the older version04:41
thisfredtry apt-cache search roast (or burn)04:41
noxfunreid: http://sourceforge.net/projects/apt-checkpoint/04:41
cthiesshello guys04:41
Bliksemif i right click the iso, there is the option write to disk, but it tells me i dont have any meida in my cd writer, when i do04:42
cthiessanybody here, who can help me with my ubuntu?04:42
noxfucthiess: nope04:42
Zombnoxfu: how does it work, using dpkg-repack?04:42
cthiessthanks04:42
cthiessnoxfu: thanks, for your 'nope'04:45
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cthiessanybody else here who can help me with an kernel module compile problem?04:46
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lucas_hi04:46
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noxfucthiess: You go into a channel named #ubuntu...asking if anyone can help you with a ubuntu problem....you don't expect the slightest bit of sarcasm?04:48
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lucas_funny to see ubuntu is so young and already has its debianish flame wars ;)05:07
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lucas_I just would like to ask for clarification : is the default GDM theme the "sexy" one ?05:08
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seraphI have a question05:08
seraphdid X break for anyone with the latest update?05:08
seraphsay in the past 24 hours or so?05:08
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seraphmine is reporting all kinds of gl symbol related errors05:09
serapheven vim isn't working on the command line because of libXt05:09
fabbioneseraph: there were no X updates in the last 24 hours05:09
fabbioneare you using any kind of binary drivers?05:09
Kamionlucas_: currently, yes.05:10
seraphfabbione: nvidia05:10
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seraphI'll rerun the installer05:10
fabbioneseraph: revert to nv and see if the problem persist05:10
lucas_Kamion: thanks05:10
fabbioneseraph: there is no need to reinstall05:10
fabbioneseraph: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:10
seraphomg apt just segfaulted05:10
seraphAIEEE05:10
seraphthings are randomly segfaulting05:10
fabbioneseraph: well that's not an X problem ;)05:10
seraph@_@05:10
fabbionecheck the ram05:11
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seraphfabbione: actually no, thats just dpkg05:11
seraphand I found that nv gives the same results05:11
seraph__glXFree*05:12
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seraphsymbol unresolved05:12
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fabbioneseraph: i get the same but they are harmless05:13
seraphomg05:13
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seraphdpkg is totally screwed05:14
seraphit claims nothing is installed05:14
seraphat all05:14
seraphevery package I try isn't installed05:14
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fabbioneseraph: something must be seriously broken on your system'05:14
seraphreally?05:14
seraphnever would've guessed ;_;05:14
fabbioneeheh05:15
vrlnseraph: sounds like a hardware problem if your getting random segfaults05:15
seraphvrln: its not05:15
vrlntry running memtest, my quess would be broken ram05:15
seraphits a dpkg specific thing05:15
seraphevery apt command I try segfaults it05:15
seraphirssi etc. work fine05:15
seraphssh works fine05:15
seraphI am so screwed05:15
fabbioneseraph: probably the database is corrupted05:15
seraphis there any way to recover?05:15
fabbioneseraph: probably05:16
fabbioneit depends at which level is corrupted05:16
seraphok05:16
seraphwhat do I do?05:18
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fabbioneseraph: what happens if you run: dpkg --get-selections * ?05:20
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lucas_how reliable are upgrade paths from debian sid to ubuntu ?05:21
seraphfabbione: segfault05:21
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fabbioneseraph: i guess you don't have much you can do05:23
seraphouch05:23
seraphreinstall it is I guess05:24
fabbioneseraph: yes. but i would still run a memtest05:25
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fabbionethat kind of corruption is not normal05:26
erminahi all, Im a newbee05:26
erminaI try to install my conexant modem, have any luck with it ?05:26
seraphfabbione: memtest is clean since < 2 months ago05:27
Nghey seraph :)05:27
Ngassuming that's the #gah seraph ;)05:27
erminaubuntu uses kernel 2.6.8 which I couldn't find the kernel source from synaptic05:27
erminacan any body help me please ??05:27
Ngermina: it is there, linux-source-2.6.8.1-16 I have installed05:27
Ngsearch for linux-source and it should find it.05:28
erminais it in the CD or do I have to download it >>>05:28
Ngah05:29
Ngnot sure I'm afraid05:29
srithere's probably one in the cd, but it's best to get it online05:29
Ngif you've updated your kernel to the latest one from the internet then you'll need to get the source from there too05:29
erminano, the kernel installed from CD, sounder 9 warty warthog05:30
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erminaOK I will try it now, I hope I have luck05:31
erminabye05:31
erminathanks Ng05:31
Ngno probs05:32
Nggood luck :)05:32
seraphNg: yes05:32
seraphNg: I am officially screwed atm05:32
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Ngseraph: doh, how come?05:32
Bliksemwhat switvh do you use to launch an app from terminal, but keep the termianl available for use?05:32
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seraphNg: might be the fact that there are many people complaining about XFS in 2.8.1 and bad shutdowns05:32
seraphie. data loss on non-clean shutdown05:33
Ngseraph: ohh, sefaulting :/05:33
seraphyep05:33
Ngweak05:33
SeveasBliksem app_naame parameter1 parameter2 ... &05:33
Seveasthe & makes it launch in the backgriund05:33
Seveasground*05:33
david__ok Rythmbox owns XMMS ..05:33
Bliksemthank you seveas :)05:33
seraphNg: weak?05:34
eaondavid__, it does, but it doesn't play certain files for me :(05:34
david__for once my music sounds as good in linux as M$ .. :)05:34
eaonprobably gstreamers fault though?05:34
david__eaon: what files.. it plays FLAC fine .. which is what i use.. ive not tried Ogg though05:35
Ngseraph: as in "not cool"05:35
eaondavid__, oh, sorry, certain mp3s05:36
eaoni have some frou frou mp3s here which it doesn't want to load into the library05:36
eaonxmms and itunes play them fine05:36
david__eaon: ive not had any MP3 trouble yet.. are they VBR files ?05:37
seraphNg: lol05:37
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eaondavid__, i think they're normal 192kb files05:39
eaonbut i'll have to look into that deeper later05:39
eaonbusy now - later gys05:39
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^Asystolehello people05:40
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Defthas anyone had any problems with a complete failure to boot winxp on a machine with ubuntu? this has happed to me twice now05:55
Bliksemnope05:55
mrjiveDeft: it is happening now to mw with win2k05:55
Bliksemim dual booting xp and ubuntu05:56
mrjiveNTLDR is missing .. or something like this05:56
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Deftmy problem happened immediately on installing winxip, on it's first reboot it failed to start to finish the install05:56
Deftntldr just seems to not like something that has happened to the disk; so I then booted to the ubuntu install cd, chrooted to my linux install, reinstalled grub, booted the winxp recovery, ran fixboot to install ntldr to the partition....05:58
Deftand now grub just won't start XP, it says it's chainloading to the partition, and then sits there for ever05:58
Deftis there a way to get ntldr into the mbr to test that out?05:59
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Deftshould I take that as a no?06:05
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BliksemIve done something simple, yet so stupid, you know the "task bar" that runs allong the top, I right clicked it and chose hide this panel, how do i get it back?06:08
Bliksem:blushes:06:08
KosaiOh, huh, I didn't think it let you do that.06:08
tsengautohide?06:09
Bliksemit let me hide it06:09
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tsengif you move your mouse to the top, does it pop up06:09
Bliksemnope06:09
tsengor did you remove it completely06:09
tsengwhich would != hidden06:09
Bliksemit must be removed then06:10
Bliksemit doesnt pop up06:10
YveDeLarchi. Just tried to create a bugzilla account so I can report a bug. Unfortunately, the envelope sender of the password mail is bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.ubuntu.com which breaks sender address verification (bugzilla.ubuntu.com has no mMX record so the A record is used. smtp connection to that address times out).06:10
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Bliksemthere must be a way to get it back, I only have the terminal to launch apps now06:11
joemrun gnome-panel?06:11
YveDeLarcBliksem: do you still have the lower panel?06:11
Bliksemyes i have the lower one06:12
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YveDeLarcBliksem: if yes, right-click on a free space on that one and select 'New Panel'06:12
YveDeLarcBliksem: you might have to re-populate it, though.06:12
Bliksemthanks YveDeLarc06:13
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YveDeLarcBliksem: you're welcome06:13
Bliksemwas panicking there for a moment06:13
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dmzenHi all, may I ask a Mozilla question?06:15
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georgialo06:19
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ploumHello06:20
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ploumanyone can define precisly what "universe" and "multiverse" are and how they are build ?06:20
ploumDoes universe contain all debian packages ?06:20
lucas_ploum: oui06:20
ploumI'm working on a french mini FAQ06:21
ploumhttp://frimouvy.org/wiki/FaqUbuntu06:21
baHamQuestion: kbuild on ubuntu ? how is it called? trying to install nvidia drivers ,_,06:21
ploumI've the source main restricted universe multiverse06:21
ploumbut it doesn't seem that I've mutliverse paquet (mplayer)06:22
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HenrikI find the term 'multiverse' a bit odd, because it implies that it contains 'universe', which it doesn't ...06:22
lucas_I didn't know about multiverse06:22
elbidanish translation of g2 going steady, 428 translated strings of core06:23
elbiwrong channel, sorry06:23
deFryskbaHam, for installing nvidia drivers : http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto06:24
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baHamdeFrysk, My fking mouse doesnt work.. I mean, the scroll doesnt work06:25
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deFryskbaHam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:26
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deFryskbaHam, and use the deafaults untill the mouse settings , try other settings there06:26
deFryskbaHam, and good luck :)06:27
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baHamyea man, ubuntu r0x06:30
deFrysk:D06:30
baHamasdasd06:30
baHam:D06:30
baHamnow help me with tha mouz :|06:30
deFryskbaHam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:30
deFryskbaHam, and use the deafaults untill the mouse settings , try other settings there06:31
deFryskbaHam, and good luck :)06:31
deFryskhmz ? deja vu ?06:31
deFrysk;p06:31
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baHamdeFrysk, already tried :(06:31
deFryskbaHam, in kde ?06:31
baHamgnome :D06:32
deFrysk:D06:32
baHamgnome > all :P06:32
deFryskwell if that does not fix it I doo not know :s06:32
baHamwhere r u from06:33
deFryskholland europe06:33
baHam:P06:33
thisfrednot fryslan?06:33
baHamI just moved to america :P06:33
deFryskyes Fryslan indeed :D06:33
joolzdeFrysk: who would have guessed :)06:34
deFryskhehe ;p06:34
thisfredwell, it seems we have critical mass for a Dutch Ubuntu Users Group right here ;)06:35
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joolzthisfred: ja, 't is een kwestie van geduld :)06:35
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baHammy soundcard doesnt work either06:36
deFryskbaHam, tried alsamixer ?06:36
baHamnot yet .. on debian it worked without finding the soundcard, by default.. I couldnt control the sound but it was ok..06:37
baHamroot@ubuntu:/home/baham # apt-get install alsamixer06:37
baHamReading Package Lists... Done06:37
baHamBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:37
baHamE: Couldn't find package alsamixer06:37
baHamroot@ubuntu:/home/baham #06:37
deFryskbaHam, run alsamixer , not install06:37
baHamroot@ubuntu:/home/baham # alsamixer06:37
baHamalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory06:37
deFryskalsamixer as user06:37
deFryskaha06:37
baHamsame thing06:37
deFrysknot detected soundacard06:38
baHamyep06:38
deFryskbaHam, buy another one06:38
deFryska cheap generic06:38
deFryskalways works06:38
baHamaha06:38
baHam:(06:38
deFryskwhat model doe you have ?06:39
deFryskdoe* do06:39
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baHamdeFrysk, it's a i810 06:41
deFryski810_audio is the name of the module06:43
deFryskdo lsmod06:43
deFryskand see if its there06:43
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deFryskintel8x0 sorry06:44
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baHamnot there06:46
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deFryskmodprobe i810_audio06:47
deFrysktry that06:47
baHamtried06:48
baHamit did06:48
baHambut nuthin.. it doesnt work06:48
deFrysksudo used ?06:48
baHamhm ?06:48
deFrysksudo modprobe i810_audio06:48
baHami tried as root06:49
baHambut doesnt work06:49
deFryskI see06:49
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deFryskAMD Athlon + AMD 751/756 Chipset UNUSABLE in Linux [Debian] 06:51
deFryskbaHam, that chipset ?06:51
baHam0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)06:51
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deFryskwell you need a specilist for this one06:52
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baHam^eatcu later06:52
deFryskthe module should be there i guess06:52
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thkany problems with dualbooting ubuntu and osx?06:56
jdubshouldn't be06:57
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Kamionthk: works for me07:01
thknice07:02
thkout of the box07:02
thk?07:02
thki tried getting my ibook dualboot gentoo and osx, but osx don't detect the disc07:02
thkafter installing gentoo.07:02
Kamionthk: I wouldn't attempt to resize an HFS+ filesystem from our installer if I were you07:02
Kamionbut otherwise I've not had any problems out of the box; then again, my OS X installation is a few versions back07:03
thki can't seem to partition the disc when installing osx. should i start with ubuntu?07:03
KamionOS X's installer definitely had a partitioning option when I used it07:04
Kamionthis powerbook came with OS X installed, I reinstalled with the supplied media to make the OS X partition smaller07:04
baHamdeFrysk, what was the link to the drivers?07:05
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deFryskhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto07:05
Kamionthk: the partitioning option in OS X is kind of obscure, I can't remember where they hid it07:05
thkhmm. i olny got to choose media. maybe there was some more advanced option when selecting.. hmm.07:06
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netventureis the release candidate out?07:08
netventurehellow?07:09
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evilmegamanHi07:10
Kamionnetventure: yes, see ubuntu-announce mailing list archives07:10
netventureevilmm: hi07:10
netventurekaimon: ok, thanks07:10
evilmegamanDoes ubuntu have good ATI driver support?07:10
netventureevilmm: what card do you have?07:11
evilmegamanATI radeon 955007:11
netventureI think the default installation suports the 955007:11
evilmegamanOk :) And would it have 3d support? Or what would I do about that?07:11
netventureyou can always download the ATI proprietary drivers through synaptic07:11
evilmegamanOh07:12
evilmegamanHmmm07:12
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netventure* looks up synaptic07:12
spivevilmegaman: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:12
evilmegamanOk07:13
evilmegamanAnd one more thing :) I tried the Preview Release but that didn't recognize my cd rom drive.. Will this one recognize it? Only ubuntu and mandrake do not recognize it07:13
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netventuredid'nt recognize... before install or after install?07:15
evilmegamanDuring install07:15
netventureide?07:15
netventurescsi?07:15
evilmegamanI think so07:15
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evilmegamanI dunno07:15
evilmegamanlemme check07:15
evilmegamanI am stupid about hardware07:15
netventureok, so you're not a bot :)07:16
baHamhmm.. I need some help with ubuntu07:17
evilmegamanit's IDE07:17
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baHam1. my mousewheel doesnt work 2. my soundcard doesnt work 07:17
evilmegamanare you on a laptop? those are my friends issues with his laptop..07:18
netventurewhich soundcard do you have?07:18
baHamnetventure, it is a sis07:19
baHamnetventure, Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)07:19
netventureevilmm: when installing, hit alt+f2 and in the console use dmesg|less to see if there's any error message07:20
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evilmegamanok07:21
evilmegamanthanks netventure07:21
netventurebaham: try lspci -v to get a more detailed output, that will tell which chip/model it is07:21
netventureemm: hope you get the drive working...07:22
netventuregud luk07:22
baHamSilicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)07:22
baHam        Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 785007:22
baHam        Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 307:22
baHam        I/O ports at e00007:22
baHam        I/O ports at e400 [size=128] 07:22
baHam        Capabilities: [48]  Power Management version 207:22
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deFrysknetventure, he needs a intel-i810 module07:23
netventure?07:23
netventurean i810 model for sis audio?07:23
deFrysknetventure, baHam does07:23
netventuremodule*07:23
deFryskbaham told me he had an intel model07:24
baHamnetventure, I dont know.. it is sis and everywhere is written that I have to modprobe i810_audio..07:24
deFrysk<baHam> deFrysk, it's a i810 07:24
deFrysksee ?07:24
netventurelooking it up in google07:25
baHamhttp://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~dangelo/G733_en.html07:25
baHamlook here07:25
baHamthere is a guy with the same soundcard07:25
deFryskmodprobe intel8x007:26
deFryskshould do it then ?07:26
baHamno07:26
baHamit doesnt find that module07:26
baHamdun wanna reconfigure the kernel ;_;07:27
evilmegamanwhere's the US mirror for getting ubuntu?07:27
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netventurebaha,: try snd-intel8x007:27
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netventurebaham, I'm a little confused, is the link you mentioned, the correct config for your system?07:28
Hmmmmm_can we expect warty on monday?07:28
baHamno netventure, but the guy has the same audio07:28
baHamit modprobed the snd-intel8x007:29
jdubHmmmmm_: wednesday07:29
netventureok07:29
deFryskbaHam, check lsmod07:29
deFrysksee if its there now07:29
baHamdeFrysk, now it works07:29
baHambut like on debian07:29
deFryskcool L:)07:29
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baHamI cant control the audio07:29
baHam:D07:29
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netventurecontrol?07:29
deFryskI have to go07:29
baHamnetventure, yeah the audio is just the same if I put it on 0% or on 100%07:30
netventureok07:30
netventuredoes dmesg give anything?07:30
baHamjust dmesg 07:30
baHam?07:30
baHami810: SiS 7012 found at IO 0xe400 and 0xe000, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 307:30
baHami810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.07:30
baHami810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.07:30
baHami810_audio: Resetting connection 007:30
baHamac97_codec: AC97  codec, id: CMI97 (CMedia)07:30
baHamAC97 codec does not have proper volume support.07:30
baHami810_audio: only 48Khz playback available.07:30
baHami810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, new EID value = 0x05c607:31
baHami810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, DAC map configured, total channels = 607:31
baHami810_audio: setting clocking to 4856607:31
mdzi810_audio? that's an OSS driver07:31
mdzblacklisted by default07:31
mdzdon't use it07:31
mdzif snd-intel8x0 was loaded by default, that's correct07:31
baHamhm07:32
baHamso ?07:32
netventurehm...07:33
netventurelot of the same stuff on google07:33
evilmegamanHow do I use .jigdo files? I forgot07:33
evilmegamando I have to get it from debian.org or something?07:34
socommevilmegaman: http://www.google.com07:34
socommhttp://atterer.net/jigdo/07:34
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socommhttp://atterer.net/jigdo/debian-jigdo-mini-howto/index.html07:35
evilmegamanthank you :) That's what I found07:35
socommThat should be enough to get you started.07:35
evilmegamansure is07:35
tuxakkahowto to make ubuntu channel in own language, in my case fi?07:36
socommtuxakka: Huh?07:36
socommtuxakka: this channel, as far as I know, is english only.07:37
netventuremdz, just curious, but why is the 810 module blacklisted?07:37
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netventureI have a via82xx, and it's blacklisted too?07:37
netventure(audio modules)07:38
cleedaniels: dude.07:38
cleedaniels: jabber?07:38
netventurebaham, have you tried i810_audio?07:39
netventurermmod snd-i8x0 and then modprobe i810_audio07:40
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baHamnetventure, doesnt work with i810_audio07:40
netventurehmmm..07:40
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netventurelooks like the driver is broken...07:40
baHamI read some time ago07:40
baHamthat they are still working07:41
baHamon the drivers of my soundcard07:41
baHamnot a problem, the volume is ok :)07:41
tuxakkayes socomm but somebody said that should ask local channels from here, you know like there is a debian then in my country debian-fi, is it plan to make local channels in difrent languages?07:42
baHamI mean this ubuntu doesnt even have gdesklets on his repositories ?07:43
netventurebaham: here's something about alan cox from an old archive: http://www.spinics.net/lists/rhsound/msg00009.html07:44
netventurenot a solution, but that's the best I could find07:44
baHamd archive: http://www.spinics.net/lists/rhsound/msg00009.html07:44
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netventurehas anyone been able to get radeonfb working on the console?07:45
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socommtuxakka: sorry I don't know anything about that.07:46
socommbaHam: I got gdesklets here.07:47
tuxakkaok socomm, I asked cause we keep linux channels and email lists in finland07:47
netventuresocom: is there a console only runlevel in ubuntu?07:47
baHamsocomm, 0.26?07:47
socommbaHam: 0.26.207:48
baHamand it works ?07:48
socommbaHam: yes running that cow deskelet07:48
baHamsocomm, how do you do that ?07:49
Kamionnetventure: no, the runlevels are left for your own customisation07:49
socommbaHam: `apt-get install gdesklets && apt-get install gdesklets-data'07:49
socommbaHam: you may have to update your repos first though.07:49
baHamsocomm, yea I mean, after installing.. how do you run the displays..07:49
netventurekamion: can you give me a few tips, having come from slackware, I find it a little difficult to use sysV and debian07:50
socommbaHam: `cd /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays'07:50
eaonis there an ubuntu livecd?07:50
eaonwebsite doesn't mention it07:50
socommbaHam: 'ls' and 'cd' to whichever desklets you wanna run.07:51
mdznetventure: all of the OSS modules are blacklisted, because there are ALSA modules which are equivalent or better07:51
mdznetventure: and you can't mix OSS and ALSA modules on the same device07:51
socommbaHam: Then run gdesklets and give it the name of the display as an argument. For instance 'gdesklets debian-cow.display'07:52
baHamhm07:52
mdznetventure: radeonfb is known to have a lot of problems, that's why it isn't loaded by default07:52
baHamok I'll try when the gdesklets site works07:52
netventuremdz: I'm new to debian, how do I tell the OS, which modules to load?07:52
hypn0eaon: there is livecd but it doesnt seem to be mirrorred in europe07:52
socommbaHam: good luck, there isn't much documentation for this piece of software.07:52
baHamanybody running firefox 1.0 on ubuntu ?07:53
socommbaHam: oh and after you've done that 'gdeskelet desklet.display' run gdesklet so it will appear on your desktop.07:53
eaonokay07:53
eaongoogling then07:53
netventuremdz: I've been able to use radeonfb on slackware, it loads on ubuntu, but then the screen is blank during boot until the console font is changed07:55
netventuremdz: but then again, it's only a plain text console, no fb :(07:56
baHamhelp..07:56
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baHamI just dpkg -installed the debian experimental package of mozilla-firefox.. how can I remove it ? ;_;07:57
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baHamI just dpkg -installed the debian experimental package of mozilla-firefox.. how can I remove it ? ;_;07:59
srifor some reason, I can no longer use nautilus to mount ssh volumes08:00
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socommbaHam: `man dpkg'08:00
socommbaHam: should be 'dpkg uninstall package'08:00
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Tibozhello all08:01
srignomevfs-ls tells me "Internal error"08:02
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baHamHi Tiboz 08:02
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Tibozi just installed ubuntu yesterday and i find very cool for the moment08:03
Tiboz+it08:03
Tibozbut i got errors when i do apt-get update, is it a known issue ?08:03
baHamTiboz, paste the output08:04
netventuretiboz: what was the error(s)?08:04
TibozImpossible de rcuprer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)08:04
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Tibozgzip: stdin: not in gzip format08:04
baHamTiboz, you cannot add that..08:05
baHamremove that line from you /etc/apt/sources.list08:05
netventurelooks like the file was'nt properly downloaded, corruption while downloading08:05
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baHamand save and then apt-get update08:05
Tibozi only uncomment the lines for universe packages08:05
baHamnah08:06
baHamcomment the http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  08:06
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netventuretiboz: I'd suggest using synaptic08:07
Tibozhttp://paste.husk.org/179608:07
Tibozi don't have this line08:07
Tibozhere is my source.list08:07
Tiboznetventure: i come from debian, so I prefer apt-get ;)08:07
lobo_nzTiboz: If you used an older iso the sources for universe have been modified there are some instructions on www.ubuntulinux.org which fixed it for me08:07
netventureha ha, ok, point taken08:08
Tibozlobo_nz: i used the warty iso08:08
lobo_nzTiboz: The RC latest one should be ok08:08
lobo_nzTiboz: I had the gzip thing with an older prerealease iso08:09
netventuretiboz, did you try apt-get update again?08:09
Tibozagain ?08:09
netventureI mean, are you getting the error everytime you run apt-get update?08:10
Tibozyes08:10
Tibozbut i installed it only testerday08:10
Tibozyesterday sorry08:10
Tibozgzip: stdin: Resource temporarily unavailable08:10
Tiboza it just changed08:11
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Tiboznow the pb is gone08:11
Tibozvery strange08:11
Tibozprobably a problem with the ubuntu server08:12
Tibozi got another question08:12
Tibozis there an easy way to use apm rather than acpi without recompiling a kernel ?08:12
netventuretry this:  rm -rf var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* 08:13
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netventureand then aapt-get update again08:13
Tiboznetventure: it's ok nom08:13
Tiboznow08:13
Tiboznetventure: thanks for the help08:13
netventureat the grub loader, just add acpi=off and test. If all works, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make it permanent08:14
Tibozand ubuntu will automaticly switch to apm ?08:14
netventureshould do08:14
Tibozok08:14
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Tibozbecause acpi on thinkpads is not very well supported actually08:15
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netventuremost distros have both acpi and apm modules in case a system does'nt have acpi...08:15
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Tibozok08:15
netventurehmm.. does it give any errors, or is it  missing any required features?08:16
afonitI wish they would update inkscape08:16
netventuremy bro has a thinkpad, and Iwas thinking him to go linux...08:16
Tiboznetventure: it is a known issue 08:16
LoLoROSHola, does someone help me?, I have installed the enlightment but it(he,she) does not go out for me in the GDM, as do I add it?08:16
netventure:(08:16
Tibozthere is a problem between acpi on thinkpad and hotplug08:16
netventureoh, ok08:16
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Tibozbut i read something that makes me hope that the pb should be fixed with 2.6.908:17
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netventurehope they do, will be happy to see another linux box at home08:18
Tibozyeah08:18
netventureloloros:08:18
thursdaygood day all08:18
Tibozhy thursday08:18
solsTiCehi. just installed ubuntu . i am looking a way to install a basic firewall (don't find how to launch iptables) and 08:18
netventured00d, it's saturday!08:18
LoLoROSsay to me08:19
netventuredon't know much but I think you need to use enligtenment with gnome...08:19
netventurenot really sure, i'ts been a long time since slackware 7 and enlightenment...08:20
TibozsolsTiCe: fwbuilder - Firewall administration tool GUI08:20
TibozsolsTiCe: you can try this one08:20
solsTiCeand a way to configure the service launch and a way to stop hotplug to load 8139cp while iam using 8139too modules (blacklist the module ?)08:20
solsTiCeTiboz: thx08:20
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LoLoROSsorry i dont speak english08:20
TibozsolsTiCe: what's your pb with hotplug ?08:21
netventureloloros: pl08:21
TibozLoLoROS: french ?08:21
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LoLoROSSpanish08:21
Tibozoutch08:21
netventureloloros: ok, I'll make it more simple, wait08:21
netventureloloros: i'm installing enlit08:21
solsTiCeTiboz: I used to use woody and there was a basic script to store and load the iptables config . is there somthing like that in sarge ie ubuntu ?08:21
netventuregimme a few mins08:21
netventure'eh senor08:21
ficusplanetI'm having trouble getting the NVidia drivers working.  I've installed the nvidia-glx package, commented out GLCore and dri from XF86Config-4 but it still won't load.  What else do I have to do?08:22
LoLoROSsi08:22
LoLoROSya lo instale08:22
flevoursolsTiCe, try modconf go to kernel/drivers/net and try to disable that module08:22
TibozsolsTiCe: normally iptables scripts are in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d08:22
netventureoui08:22
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LoLoROSGnome I like much, but it was for proving(trying) new things08:22
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liranhey dear mates :)08:23
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liranI have a question08:23
solsTiCeflevour: Tiboz thank you i go and see08:23
TibozsolsTiCe: no pbs08:24
LoLoROSCertainly a lot of congratulations for the distribution, if there is hereabouts algun collaborator or developer08:24
netventurecool...08:24
liranI have domain,i can control it,I want to know if i can use this domain as my hostname ?08:24
baHamany cool ubuntu wallpapers?08:25
ficusplanetAnybody here been able to get the nvidia drivers working in ubuntu?08:25
netventurein the days of gnome 1.4, there was an option to load gnome+enlightement or enlightenment only... not sure08:25
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Tibozthere is a script to install E i believe08:25
Tibozenlightenment-install or something like that08:25
mt2does anyone know how to increase the resolution of your screen? I know it's possible with my card and monitor, in Linux, to have 1280x1024 but ubuntu doesn't give me that option. Is there any way to fix this issue?08:25
liranbaHam you can try www.gnome-look.org08:25
jimificusplanet : yes following what said in ubuntu wiki08:26
baHamthey are ugly08:26
baHam:(08:26
Tibozor art.gnome.org08:26
LoLoROSthanks netventure & Tiboz08:26
netventuremt2: you need to manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add the res there08:27
LoLoROSand other question, how do you see div-x in totem?08:27
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Tibozyou're welcome08:27
liranI have domain,i can control it,I want to know if i can use this domain as my hostname ?08:27
Tibozliran: use the hostname command08:27
mt2netventure, I've tried that, but gnome fails to allow me to change it the resolution, I shall try again though08:27
netventureloloros: well, thanks to you, I'm trying E now!08:27
netventureliran: do you have a public IP?08:28
liranTiboz I don`t know how to use it08:28
lirannetventure what you mean?08:28
Tibozman hostname ;)08:28
Tibozis your ip beginning by 10.0.0 or 192.168.0 ?08:28
netventuremt2: you need to restart the comp (actually X, but I don't know how in debian)08:28
liranTiboz no08:29
mt2ahhh, I've got it, control+alt+backspace restarts the x server08:29
netventure172.16.0.0?08:29
thursdayis the new version of E out yet netventure?08:29
Tibozwhat do you mean by having a domain ?08:29
mt2I was missing one decloration for my display mode, but I had the right resolution for 16 bit08:29
mt2sorry for wasting your time ;)08:30
Tibozliran: because your actual dns make me think that you don't have a fixed ip08:30
liranI have domain that i registered it @ uk2reg.com08:30
Tibozbut a dynamical one provided by your fai08:30
Tibozliran: what do you want exactly ?08:31
Tibozi don't really the your point08:31
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netventureliran probably wants to use his computer as the server for his domain08:31
mt2that worked beautifully, thank you! :)08:32
liranTiboz my current hostname is linuxphreak and i have this domain ap1c.org so i want that my hostname will be linuxphreak.ap1c.org08:32
netventuremt2: cool dood08:32
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mt2I was also wishing to ask, if I may, about Totem crashing08:32
mt2the app opens fine, but when it plays something, it crashes08:33
bur[n] ermt2: does it start the audio?08:33
mt2no08:33
bur[n] erand the first second repeats over and over?08:33
Tibozliran: it is a dns problem: if you do not have a public IP, you'll have to use something like dyndns08:33
mt2it just completly crashes08:33
bur[n] eroh... that's what happens to me with rhythmbox and totem ;)  might be a gstreamer thign for me08:33
Tibozmt2: use vlc ;)08:33
bur[n] ermt2: got a bug report?08:33
bur[n] ervlc doesn't work for me either08:33
bur[n] erdoesn't even load08:33
bur[n] erheh08:33
bur[n] erthey used to08:33
mt2I haven't made one yet, I just installed ubuntu a few minutes ago08:34
liranTiboz i have public ip08:34
Tibozbur[n] er: neither wxvlc ?08:34
BliksemI had problems with totem... I installed gxine, its handled everything ive thrown at it including .vob files from my dvd rips08:34
Tibozliran: is this the computer you're connecting from ?08:34
liranyeah08:34
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Tibozthen you have to ask your fai to put the reverse dns onto your fixed ip08:35
bur[n] erTiboz: nope08:35
z1nOnlynetventure, just installed ubuntu and everything is working great!  how do i confirm that my ati radeon 9800 card is being used?  it appears to be.08:35
netventurefai?08:35
Tibozsorry08:35
Tibozfournisseur d'acces  internet08:35
Tibozit's french08:35
liranTiboz i will try08:35
Tibozinternet provider08:35
baHamquestion: can one get hoary hedgehog right NOW?08:35
netventurebaham: yes08:36
Tibozand then configure your domain to set linuxphreak.ap1c.org08:36
baHamnetventure, and there is xorg?08:36
netventurebaham: but you need a time machine08:36
baHamahahahahahahah08:36
baHamlol08:36
baHamwhen will the first beta be out ?08:36
Tibozbur[n] er: strange 08:36
netventurez1nonly: in a console do: less /var/log/X......log08:36
netventureand you will be able to see somewhere inthere that an ATI driver has been used08:36
Tibozbur[n] er: did you try vlc -vvv to see what it sats ?08:37
mt2is gxine avaiable for install?08:38
bur[n] ernope08:39
bur[n] erdidn't nkow it was there08:39
bur[n] erone sec08:39
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netventuretiboz: that's enlightnement.install for 0.16.x08:39
monteiromy writer only writes at 12x :( i have an LG 52x08:39
Tiboznetventure: yeah that's it08:40
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bur[n] ersays i'm missing a .vlc directory08:40
bur[n] erbut i thought it was auto-created?08:40
Tibozyeah i thought too08:40
Tibozbur[n] er: it's the only error ?08:41
bur[n] eronly 'warning'08:41
Tibozthat's probably because you never was able to launch it08:41
mt2I can't find vlc for install either08:41
mt2is it under a different name?08:41
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Tibozmt2: vlc and gxine are in univers08:42
Tiboze08:42
bur[n] erGdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)08:42
bur[n] er  serial 367 error_code 2 request_code 45 minor_code 008:42
bur[n] ermt2: in universe08:42
bur[n] erdoh08:42
bur[n] erthat's my error Tiboz 08:42
Bliksemmt2: i got gxine here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/gxine08:42
Tibozwith vlc or wxvlc ?08:42
bur[n] ervlc08:42
mt2thank you08:42
bur[n] erlibhal.c 696 : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceDoesNotExist raised08:42
bur[n] er"Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist"08:42
Tibozbur[n] er: try vlc -I dummy myfile.avi08:42
bur[n] eri get that as well in wxvlc08:43
bur[n] erin addition08:43
mt2how do you add universe to your repository list?08:43
bur[n] er-I dummy?08:43
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Tibozmt2: uncomment the line in source.list08:43
Tibozbur[n] er: deactivate the interface08:43
thursdaymt2: i think the entrys are already in /etc/apt/sources.lst, you just need to uncomment them08:43
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z1nOnlynetventure, it found and is using my "ati radeon 9800 pro".  thanks again08:44
zetorhi!08:44
netventuretry glxinfo for 3d info08:44
bur[n] ersoo... i get video and no sound08:44
netventurezetor: hi08:44
mt2there we go08:44
Tibozbur[n] er: erf08:44
bur[n] eri have two sound cards would that mess it up?08:44
Tibozi don't think08:45
z1nOnlynetventure, were you asking me to try glxinfo?08:45
Tiboztry again with -vvv and check lines about sound08:45
Tibozabout /dev/dsp mainly08:45
netventurez1nonly: just FYI, it'll tell you if DRI is enabled08:45
Tibozbur[n] er: (stupid question) did you check the volume in aumix ?08:47
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bur[n] erwith vvv, i dont' even get sound08:47
bur[n] erer... video08:47
bur[n] er;)08:47
Solkarishowdy all08:47
bur[n] eri don't use alsa08:47
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solsTiCeTiboz: i have a simple script that calls iptables-restore in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d is there another way to do that " la debian" or actually sarge ?08:48
netventuresolkaris: howdy pardner08:48
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TibozsolsTiCe: for me _this_ the debian way ;)08:48
Tibozbur[n] er: aumix is not alsa08:48
solsTiCeTiboz: ok08:48
solsTiCeTiboz: i didn't find modconf that flevour mention . is it a dir or a command ?08:49
Tibozi didn't understand what you said 08:49
solsTiCeTiboz: flevour told me to use modconf to disable a module 08:50
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punkass_something funny: http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html08:50
TibozsolsTiCe: a command i think08:50
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bur[n] erall volume is up except mix08:51
bur[n] erer... mic08:51
bur[n] er:)08:51
Tibozstrange08:51
Tibozbur[n] er: you can ask gibalou on #videolan08:52
mt2installing Gxine from universe fixes totem o_O08:52
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Tibozmt2: totem is based on xine08:52
ficusplanetIs there anyway to hide the "Run Application...", "About Ubuntu", and "Help" launchers?08:52
mt2I realize that08:52
Tibozi got to leave you08:52
Tibozsee ya later08:52
bur[n] erTiboz: i'm not too worried ;)08:52
mt2but installing another ui shouldn't be the fix08:52
bur[n] erthanks though08:52
christophehi, Trying to install warty with netboot, doc says "netboot/pxeboot.tar.gz" but it's not in the cd08:53
zetorhow to edit the menus in gnome? gconf??08:53
punkass_zetor: goto a submenu item and rightclick08:53
ficusplanetzetor, I know how to generally edit menus, but it doens't seem possible to remove the items I mentioned.08:53
Solkariszetor  or open a nautilus window location to applications:///08:54
zetorthks!!08:54
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christopheWhere can I find netboot/pxeboot.tar.gz ?08:54
RuffianSoldierhey all08:55
zetorSolkaris:thaxs!08:55
Solkarisyour welcome zetor08:55
kentDo some one know a source for apt that have muine? I don't see it in Ubuntu's archive.08:56
ficusplanethttp://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/08:56
ficusplanetkent, That has all the major mono apps.08:56
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netventurehey, what happened to all the flame regarding the "naked" artwork08:58
zetorSolkaris: seen this somewhere i the net earlier but forget it...thanks again!08:58
kentficusplanet, thanks alot!08:58
Solkarismy pleasure to help zetor08:58
ficusplanetkent, no problem08:58
netventureno offense meant, just wanted to know if they've reverted or updates with other slpash nad gdm themes08:58
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Solkarisnetventure just change them if you dont like them08:59
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SmokingFirewhy can't I sometimes change the background image without logging off and on?08:59
jasoniHow do I get dvd libcss working with totem?09:00
jasoniwhere can I get it?09:00
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SmokingFirethought that installing totem-xine would allow you to play divx movies.09:00
Solkarisjasoni try ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/09:01
SolkarisSmokingFire did you install the win32codecs ?09:01
Se7hhow can i activate scsi emulation ?09:01
netventuresolkaris: no offense meant at all, but I have a few systems in the office and people asking me if that is the default...09:02
stratosSe7h, why would you want scsi emultaion?09:02
Se7hxcdroast09:02
Se7hneeds it09:02
Solkarisits the default splash and gdm for now .. this is not 1.0 yet09:02
SmokingFireSolkaris: yes i did09:02
stratosmmm wel i never used xcdroast, but you don't actualy need the scsi emulation anymore to burn cd's. perhaps xcdroast isn't updated yet on that point. dunno.09:03
Se7hyeah09:03
Se7hprobably thats the problem09:03
Se7hi can use eroaster09:03
Se7hbut returns me ....09:03
Se7hw809:04
Solkarisnetventure just shut off the splash in computer -> desktop preferences -> session  and changed GDM  computer -> system configuration ->Login screen setup09:04
Nonphasisah... never before have so many men wondered how to change the gdm theme09:04
NonphasisI guess this is a new claim to fame for GDM09:05
Se7hcdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.09:05
Se7hcdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.09:05
Se7h/usr/bin/mkisofs: Broken pipe. cannot fwrite 2048*109:05
netventuresolkaris: yeah, I already did that... let's drop the topic.09:05
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Se7hwhy the hell..09:06
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marioUbuntu for x86, is optimized for 686?? or only for 386?09:06
Se7hmy burner supports tao dao sao09:06
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stratosSe7h, too much tech for my knowledge :) when my burner broke i just got a new one :P 09:07
bur[n] erSe7h: there's always k3b :\09:07
bur[n] erand there's cdw09:07
Se7hbur[n] er i use gnome ;P09:07
bur[n] eri use gnome too09:08
bur[n] erand i use k3b09:08
bur[n] erand konqueror09:08
Se7hGTK+ based CD mastering and burning program09:08
Se7hgcombust is a GTK+ frontend for mksisofs and cdrecord.09:08
bur[n] eri never used it... heard it was crap :\09:08
netventuremario: you can get 686 optimised kernel and libc6 (which are the main speed setters) via apt-get or synaptic09:09
Se7hTcl/Tk front-end for burning cdrom09:09
Se7hA Tcl/Tk front-end for cdrecord, cdparanoia and mkisofs;09:09
marionetventure, thanks09:09
Bliksemim having a problem with burning an iso09:09
Bliksemi right click the iso, ad choose write to disk09:09
netventuremario: you're welcome09:09
Se7hwooo09:09
Se7hA parallel burner that allow you to write to one or more CD-Writer at once09:09
Bliksemselect the drive and choose burn, it then says no media09:10
Se7hBliksem is the drive mounted? 09:10
Bliksem"Reload rewritable or blank media09:10
BliksemPlease replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media." Is the error message09:10
sikkhcould anyone tell me what is the relation of libGL.so.1 to  dri driver *_dri.so?09:10
sikkhlibGL is only a "wrapper"?09:10
Se7hBliksem cd with data or its #broken"09:11
liranIm looking for some guies about desing in GIMP 09:11
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netventurebye all, I have to go09:12
Se7hbur[n] er dam, k3b uses many libs from kde.. :|09:12
Solkarislater netventure09:12
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BliksemSe7h I dont seem to be able to mount the blank cd im trying to burn the iso to, is that normal?09:12
ficusplanetBliksem, you can't mount blank discs09:13
Se7htrue09:13
ficusplanet(there's no filesystem on them)09:13
Bliksemok, i understand, still doesnt help me burn this iso though09:13
ficusplanetRight click on an iso file and choose write to cd09:14
Bliksemhave you all used the right click -> write to disk feature?09:14
bur[n] erSe7h: if you find me a comparable gnome alternative, i'm all ears09:14
Bliksemficusplanet that doesnt work09:14
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bur[n] erBliksem: for .iso's?09:14
Se7hbur[n] er eroaster09:15
nojogcc compiler isnt instaleld by default?09:15
bur[n] ereroaster eh... i'll check it out09:15
BliksemI choose the drive, and clikc write and it comes up with "Reload rewritable or blank media. Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media."09:15
stratosquick&easy way.   cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:(disk),0.0 to determine where your burner is.   cdrecord dev=ATA:(where your device was) iso.file     09:15
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Se7hbur[n] er its simple and user friendly09:15
jasoniIm on AMD64 how can I get dvd libcss installed?09:16
bur[n] eru need scsi emul stuff?09:16
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jasoniI tried compiling it from source but totem still tells me it is missing09:16
Solkarisjasoni did you recomile totem to take advantage of it?09:17
moyoteTrying to install ubuntu, but when I get to the retrieving bsdutils, the package fails and the base system doesn't get installed. Wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.09:17
liranlol i have funny problem in gaim (MSN)09:18
Nonphasisanyone know how to edit the "Computer" menu?09:18
Se7hbur[n] er no09:18
lirani see the incoming messages backwords09:18
Se7hgeez09:18
liranlike hello so i see it as olleh09:18
Se7hgcombust realy sucks09:18
Se7hlol09:18
lirancan any one help?09:18
nojohmm09:19
nojoim trying to recompile my kernel, but tis tell ing me it cant find gcc09:19
jasoniSolkaris: I tried re-installing the .deb will that work?09:19
nojoany suggestions?09:19
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ninkendonojo: apt-get install gcc09:19
jasoniXine_gui also wont play dvds still09:19
nojoninkendo: i thought it would be installed already?09:19
ninkendonope09:20
nojohmm thats odd09:20
bur[n] erwow... eroaster on unstable is soooooooo different from the screenshots :)09:20
bur[n] erit's gtk 2.4 stuff :)  impressive looking even09:20
Solkarisjasoni Im not sure but seems to me that the support needs to be compiled in .. so just reinstalling a .deb of a version that doesnt support it wouldnt really work09:20
lirani see the incoming messages backwords09:20
Bliksemjasoni: are you playing dvd disks? or rips?09:20
bur[n] erthanks Se7h 09:20
liranlike hello so i see it as olleh09:20
ninkendoyou'll also probably want build-essential, make, libncurses5-dev, and whatever else you can think of09:20
nojoninkendo: there are couple version though is this going to break something09:20
ninkendonojo: nope09:20
ninkendothe latest is just fine for kernels09:20
nojook thanks il lgive it atry09:21
jasoniBliksem I am play real store baught dvds09:21
Se7hbur[n] er np ;)09:22
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dmouritsendkI'm thinking about installing ubuntu to check it out, I just need to verify one thing. Its possible to skip the "Install a bootloader"-step in the install procedure.. right? :)09:22
jasoniWould I need to recompile Xine as well with Totem since Totem is Xine based?09:22
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Solkarisjasoni doh probably09:24
solsTiCedmouritsendk: yes if i remeber right 09:25
ninkendojasoni: wait, you're recompiling xine because it won't play dvd's?09:25
ninkendoer, s/xine/totem/09:25
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, okay thanx =)09:25
moyoteSure wish I could get the base system to install from CD. :-)09:25
solsTiCedmouritsendk: me i first wanted to install grub in /dev/hda10 it don't work then wanted to use lilo and it blowk at 75% of the process i gave up and reinstall ... ;-(09:25
ninkendojasoni: do you have w32codecs installed?09:26
Solkarisninkendo he is on amd64 and had o compile libdvdcss from source .. meaning totem and xine that he has do not take advantage of said new libdvdcss09:26
ninkendoah09:26
solsTiCedmouritsendk: and overwrite my mbr sight ;..09:26
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, daarn :(09:26
ninkendonot sure if libdvdcss really would give you that huge of an improvement if compiled for 64 bit, but...09:27
moyoteOhmer, well, thanks.09:27
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bur[n] erSe7h: i just got a program error :\ is there an active eroaster dev community?09:28
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dmouritsendksolsTiCe, i dont want to have it do anything. I have a functioning grub, which happily handles all the OS on my box. I just want to add a entry to that one, and use my shared /boot partition to hold the kernel image and stuff.09:28
Se7hbur[n] er what error ?09:29
solsTiCedmouritsendk: can't help i have just isntalled ubuntu this morning ...09:30
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dmouritsendksolsTiCe, you'd allready helped ;) as long as i can skip the bootloader install its no prob :)09:31
solsTiCei wonder how i can reinstall grub but in /dev/hda10 so that my other bootloader laucnh grub in /dev/hda1009:32
bur[n] erabout application.py09:32
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, whats the other bootloader?09:32
bur[n] erwhen i select my burner device09:32
vdaro1I'm looking for some help about French keyboard .... I'm using DELL Inspiron 8200 with french-fr keyboard. but This keyboard did'nt seems to exists in ubuntu .... I can't use the ^ caracter for example. Any help is appreciated09:32
Se7hbur[n] er restart the program09:33
chzhello09:33
Se7hand push only once the selected burner09:33
solsTiCedmouritsendk: lilo09:33
solsTiCedmouritsendk: the only pb is to install grub in /dev/hda10 09:33
bur[n] erk09:34
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, just fire up grub and use root() and setup() to install it there ;)09:34
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kentvdaro1, didn't you get to choose language/keyboards etc on installation? 09:35
chrismurfhey - I just compiled a custom kernel, which fixed major sound issues, but now nvidia-glx is busted.09:35
solsTiCedmouritsendk: ok09:35
chrismurfany wise words?09:35
vdaro1kent, Yes I've the french keyboard, but the spcial caracters are'nt well supported09:35
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, from a prompt just write "grub"09:35
vdaro1for example the word : tant^ot09:36
vdaro1the ^ must be up the 'o'09:36
chzcan anybody suggest a good wireless app for my wireless connection?...i need to be able to switch often for my laptop...jumpin from school to home...its a pain havin to change and then reboot with the default ubuntu one...09:36
Solkarislater all09:36
chrismurfchz: waproamd is handy, provided you have broadcasting of SSID's on09:36
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diemanyeah, im not too impressed with waproamd :|09:36
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, then write "root(hd#, #)", this is where the /boot partion is.. and then "setup(hd#,#)" to install grub on the partion you want 09:37
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, grub have some tab completion to help you out, if you press tab after "root(hd" you should see your options09:37
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, same goes for the partion numbers09:38
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dmouritsendksolsTiCe, but why exactly do you want two bootloaders?09:38
chzchrismurf:can i apply the ones i know instead of it trying to find it?...i know the access points i need to connect to...but i just havin issues resetting it when i get to that location...09:39
solsTiCedmouritsendk: because i maybe delete ubuntu after trying it 09:39
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, cant you just boot ubunto from your primary bootloader? (by skipping the install bootloader step in the install)09:41
SmokingFireWill ubuntu also evetually sponsor projects like redhat and mandrake do?09:41
solsTiCedmouritsendk: yes i certainly can09:41
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, ooh sorry.. you told me already. it borked @ 75% or something :)09:42
solsTiCedmouritsendk: no no it is not that .. 09:43
solsTiCedmouritsendk: i must reboot to do what you said ?09:43
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, huh? does grub tell you that you need to reboot?09:44
solsTiCedmouritsendk: it says invalid device ... 09:44
kentvdaro1,  ? ;)09:44
nojoIm getting an error saying can't find ncurses library cantb e found when compiling my kernel09:45
solsTiCedmouritsendk: no sorry it says now Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage209:45
nojobut there seems to be ncurses installed any suggestions?09:45
dmouritsendksolsTiCe, okay. Then there's some version mismatch between the stage files in your /boot dir and the version of grub being runned, are you running grub from ubuntu or from your primary system?09:46
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nojoahh forget it i got it09:52
nojolol09:52
nojoman why isnt nay of this stuff installed as default09:52
punkass_anyone have a usb microphone working on ubuntu?09:52
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deejoe_etrumeusOK, /etc/ssh/ssh_config has StrictHostKeyChecking as "ask", yet when I try to ssh from the live CD, it says Host key verification failed.09:53
deejoe_etrumeusWTF?09:53
deejoe_etrumeusAlso, why no job control?09:54
deejoe_etrumeusNot to mention that it didn't detect my mouse successfully--could be my KVM's fault, so whatever.09:54
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bur[n] eranyone use the "create archive" feature in nautilus?  where do the archives go?10:07
vdaro1bur[n] er, in the current dir did'nt ?10:07
bur[n] erdisregard there10:07
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bur[n] erthat10:07
bur[n] erit just didnt' show up... i had to close the folder and open it again10:08
vdaro1I did'nt find the create archive command10:09
vdaro1so I can't test it10:09
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Bung_jimi: u around m8?10:11
jimiyep (cause you typed my nick lol)10:11
Bung_heh10:12
Bung_sry10:12
jimitell me10:12
Bung_if u recall i had that problem last night, well it doesnt have to do with the network, its seems to be a floppy issue10:12
Bung_ive got the error, let me pastebin it10:12
Bung_http://www.pastebin.com/11062610:13
Bung_that occurs at about 20% during base install10:13
Bung_i was just about to search the ubuntu site too10:13
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andrilhello all10:13
jimihum10:14
jimiweird10:14
Bung_maybe cause i got no floppy on my laptop?10:14
jimiit should work great without a floppy drive10:14
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gxwalkgreeting10:14
jimii tried ubuntu on floppy less computer with no problem10:14
jimihi gxwalk 10:15
gxwalkhow can get ubuntu reinstall on my computer right now i am using suse 9.1 10:15
Bung_well i guess ill post the bug, i just searched bugzilla for 'Floppy' and got nothing similiar10:15
gxwalkon oct 13 i did dist-upgrade i got cable modem i am tryin figure how get back install10:16
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gxwalkcan some one help me10:17
gxwalkhave a solution10:20
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jasoniDoes anybody have XFCE 4.2beta working?10:21
jasoniwith AMD6410:21
gxwalki need help gettin ubuntu reinstall with cable modem 10:22
gxwalki hate usin suse9.1 what i am usin now10:22
gxwalkwhere do i get ip address it ask for when i pop cd in10:23
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gxwalk34help10:25
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lobo_nzIm getting errors like this 'Cannot save launcher to disk - Details: Error writing file:///home/lobo/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/frobate-001a38cf4c.desktop: Access denied' when loggin into gnome on a fresh install of ubuntu, this diddn't happen on my other pc - does anyone know what may cause it? - the file permissions are idenitical as my other system10:25
gxwalkHELP10:25
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gxwalkhow do i get ubuntu install i got cable modem 10:26
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gxwalkwhat do i put in ip address when i am usin cd 10:26
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gxwalksomeone plez help me10:27
lrnhey10:27
zetorhi all again!!10:27
gxwalkHELLO I NEED HELP10:27
jimigxwalk, sorry i dont know why its asking you an IP adress10:28
jordigxwalk: just fire your question!10:28
jimiyou should use DHCP i guess10:28
jordioops, you did already :D10:28
gxwalkSO WHAT DO I PUT IN FOR DHCP10:28
carlosjordi!!10:28
gxwalkID10:28
jimiwether cable modem will deliver an IP to your computer, or the ISP10:28
jordicarlos: hola10:29
carlosgxwalk: please, could you use lowercase ?10:29
carlosthanks10:29
jimigxwalk, DHCP means dynamic allocation, there is no IP to fill10:29
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jimiits the default settings IIRC10:29
gxwalkunder suse 9.1 it automat do this  for me before ubuntu auto matic did until oct 1310:30
jordigxwalk: that is strange10:31
jordicarlos: what's up dude?10:31
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xcasexseems like ppc is borken again10:31
jordicarlos: we got jabberd more or less restored10:31
carlosjordi: I'm still waiting for your document about rosetta :-)10:31
jordioh dear.10:31
jordiit's true10:31
jordiI've had very intermittent access to mail this week :(10:32
gxwalkso when i put cd install it say auto configure but it say not savin to default10:32
carlosdon't worry, but it could be really good if I get it next week10:32
WXany easy way to get php5 running in ubuntu?10:32
gxwalkwhen i let fall thru it wont connect to net at all10:32
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jordinod10:33
jordiwill try my best10:33
gxwalkso how do i get this work so i can get back usin ubuntu10:33
jimigxwalk : mine desnt even finish install process :p10:34
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gxwalkit was workin fine until they made rc version and i did dist-upgrade10:34
gxwalkwhy did they change that10:35
Bliksemwhen using nautilus, how can i get it to open folders in the same window? i.e. not in a new window every time?10:35
Bliksemi looked through the preferences but couldnt see anything10:35
gxwalkanyone know how fix this problem10:35
flevourBliksem, you have to manually edit some gconf option afair10:36
spivBliksem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.018450772610:36
WW_Bliksem: Edit->Preferences->Behavior->Always Open...10:36
gxwalkany one10:36
gxwalkwhere do i get the  dhcp it need10:38
flevourgxwalk, do you have the dhcp package installed? check with "dpkg -l dhcp-client"10:38
BliksemTY spiv and WW_10:39
gxwalkhow can i get install i am tryin install from the cd10:39
gxwalkuse work fine before they made change10:40
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gxwalkanyone with cable modem got workin under ubuntu10:41
mt2has anyone managed to get dvd playback inside totem?10:41
flevourgxwalk, if you want to install it, i assume it isnt installed yet10:41
gxwalkhelp me10:41
joemmt2, yea read the wiki10:42
mt2thanks :)10:42
pantzgxwalk: yeah10:42
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pantzgxwalk: does it use dhcp to get an ip?10:42
Bliksemmt2 did you try gxine? not the solution but gxine is much better imo10:42
gxwalki ahd install but when i did dist-upgrade it disable my cable modem so i reformat my hard drive now i cant get install from cd it get part about dchp10:42
mt2I installed gxine yes, but I haven't tried playing dvd in it yet10:43
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pantzgxwalk: have you tried unplugging your modem for about 1 min then replugging it (power cable i mean)10:43
pantzit is what i need to do when my cable modem is acting funny10:44
gxwalkyes still dont work it work fine under suse 9. 110:44
pantzooo - ok thats weird10:44
Bliksemis there a simple command to install kernel sources?10:45
Bliksemim trying to get the nvidia driver installed10:45
pantzwhat if you do 'dhcpclient ethX'?10:45
aitrusBliksem: you know there is a precompiled nvidia pacakge, right?10:45
pantzdunno if that command exists - i am not at my ubuntu machine10:45
gxwalkhavent tried that10:45
Bliksemlies, where10:45
pantzgxwalk: dhclient ethX10:46
aitrusnvidia-glx10:46
pantzit exists in fedora anyway :\10:46
gxwalkis that a comman10:46
pantzyep10:46
Bliksemaitrus, so how do i use it?10:46
WW_Bliksem: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto10:46
aitrusBliksem: install using either synaptic or "apt-get install nvidia-glx"10:46
aitrusBliksem: yeah, use that wiki entry isntead.  =)10:47
Bliksemthank you, both of you10:47
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gxwalkdo u hav cable modem10:47
pantzgxwalk: yes :)10:48
gxwalkwhat ver ubuntu u using10:48
gxwalkhow did u install on your machine10:49
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pantzi did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' last night - so whatever that gave me