[12:00] <joem> hey, if you want to get help, you need to know how to get it right?
[12:00] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[12:00] <ThreeDayMonk> jdub: I hate freedom
[12:02] <SmokingFire> yep
[12:04] <chowells> hmmm, first time I've used GNOME 2. The laptop battery apple is quite good, I really need to make klaptopdaemon suck less :(
[12:05] <mirak_> klaptopdaemon??????..................that is a kde thing?????
[12:05] <chowells> yes
[12:06] <maswan> jdub: GOOD MORNING, HU-MAN
[12:06] <mirak_> ewwww...........
[12:07] <mirak_> mithrandir, where is mine???
[12:07] <Mithrandir> mirak_: are you in a beer-compatible time zone?
[12:07] <socomm> beer == `teh' suck
[12:07] <mirak_> eastern time
[12:07] <Anna> kde on knoppix was my first introduction to linux... Otherwise I'll probably still use windows
[12:08] <Mithrandir> mirak_: still a bit early, isn't it?
[12:08] <Anna> I'd
[12:08] <socomm> Anna: n00b
[12:08] <mirak_> yeah
[12:08] <mirak_> like 6 ish
[12:08] <mirak_> anna, kde wash pushing me back to windows...............
[12:08] <Anna> yes, I'm a newbie..
[12:08] <Anna> So?
[12:09] <mirak_> just stating that noobs like kde.......the newb that i am hetes it
[12:09] <socomm> So, you're annoying :^P
[12:09] <unitd> hullo room
[12:09] <Mithrandir> maswan: your timezone is just wrong. :)
[12:09] <maswan> Mithrandir: yes. :)
[12:09] <Riddell> mirak_: maybe they like KDE because it's better
[12:10] <leonel> mi laptop has  384 mb ram  and  only recognizes   256  same with Ubuntu and Debian SID  with  kernel 2.4 on sid recognizes 384   any ideas  ?
[12:10] <Anna> Probably, that depends on my opponents personality structure
[12:10] <Mithrandir> mirak_: some newbies like gnome just as well.
[12:10] <socomm> Anna: opponents?
[12:10] <mirak_> riddell, hmmmmmmmmmmm..........maybe........maybe not.........not for me to decide
[12:10] <unitd> i'm having problems mounting my hdds
[12:10] <unitd> is UBUNTU spose to automnt stuff for me
[12:11] <Anna> Well I'm German so I may have tied the wrong meaning to opponants
[12:11] <mirak_> unitd, i only have 1 HDD...cant help ya
[12:11] <unitd> its not detecting my other partitions on the same hdd 
[12:12] <Bliksem> any easy way to get a bootsplash in ubuntu, or will it mean recompiling the kernel?
[12:12] <ThreeDayMonk> unitd: what format?
[12:12] <Anna> But being a newbie sure sucks. 
[12:12] <unitd> only ubuntu partition shows up mounted at bootup
[12:12] <mirak_> mithrandir, that is tru......i am a newb, i hate kde and love gnome..........but maybe that is just remnant of my osX beta test days
[12:12] <socomm> Anna: give it time.
[12:12] <jedix> toyowheelin, finished?
[12:12] <Bliksem> gnome > KDE imo
[12:12] <ThreeDayMonk> unitd: yes; what format are the other partitions?  ext2?  ext3?  ntfs?
[12:12] <baHam> can I play wmv's on linux ?? ;_;
[12:12] <unitd> erm ntfs and ext3
[12:12] <chowells> oh great, a desktop environment war
[12:12] <socomm> baHam: you can play wmv with mplayer.
[12:13] <unitd> go gnome
[12:13] <baHam> what about xmms
[12:13] <ThreeDayMonk> unitd: edit fstab
[12:13] <ThreeDayMonk> first, you need to know which partition is which, though
[12:13] <socomm> baHam: No, xmms only plays audio files.
[12:13] <toyowheelin> 97% jedix
[12:13] <baHam> ehm
[12:13] <unitd> ye
[12:13] <baHam> I mean wma
[12:13] <baHam> sorry :|
[12:13] <unitd> pm monK?
[12:13] <baHam> no
[12:13] <Anna> Anyway, I'm glad I made the switch. Linux and me were destined for each other. 
[12:13] <Bliksem> baham vlc can afaik
[12:13] <baHam> I am so dumb
[12:13] <mirak_> toyowheelin, what are you grabbin'????
[12:13] <baHam> wav
[12:13] <ThreeDayMonk> unitd: go ahead
[12:14] <baHam> can I play wav's on xmms ?
[12:14] <socomm> baHam: yes xmms should be able to play your wav files.
[12:14] <toyowheelin> doom3 demo
[12:14] <afonit> in what location can you set the audio that is to be used.  I have a soundboard on the motherboard, and a soundblaster card, I think they are getting confused, where can I go in a disable one?
[12:14] <mirak_> ahhhh........dont think my machine can handle that
[12:15] <Anna> I wonder what could be done to attract more women to using Linux. The gender balance is like 98:2?
[12:15] <socomm> baHam: I don't mean any disrespect but try figuring things out before you ask other people for help.
[12:15] <baHam> socomm, you're right
[12:15] <Bliksem> anna, women dont use windows nm linux :P
[12:15] <socomm> Anna: how about more attractive men?
[12:15] <baHam> socomm, marijuana is very bad :|
[12:15] <Anna> ahahaha
[12:15] <toyowheelin> mirak_, nether can mine with this video card
[12:16] <mirak_> toyowheelin, why, what you got????.......i have ati radeon 7000/ve
[12:16] <Bliksem> woman + computer = endgame *most* of the time
[12:16] <Anna> I was more thinking towards applications... Like something calculating fertile days or something. 
[12:17] <Bliksem> Lol
[12:17] <SmokingFire> Yes barbie gimp
[12:17] <mirak_> hahahaha
[12:17] <SmokingFire> a barbie and ken theme
[12:17] <toyowheelin> ati 9800pro
[12:17] <mirak_> toyowheeling, that should handle it
[12:17] <Anna> You're evil
[12:17] <Anna> all of you
[12:18] <SmokingFire> I think there are just more men in early adopters.
[12:18] <mirak_> lol
[12:18] <socomm> Anna: if the new themes doesn't attract women, I don't know what will.
[12:18] <toyowheelin> yeah it should if they got off their ass and made 64 bit linux drivers
[12:18] <mirak_> what did i do
[12:18] <Anna> NEW THEMES?
[12:18] <mirak_> toyowheelin, ahhh.............64 bit
[12:18] <Anna> (drewl)
[12:18] <mirak_> anna, the ever so contoversial have nude ppl
[12:18] <tvon> hah
[12:18] <toyowheelin> mirak_, it dont work too well when the computer only dose software rendering
[12:18] <SmokingFire> From the women in my family, I understand for the computers are just tools.
[12:19] <tvon> new theme looks like an United Colors of Bennaton advertisement
[12:19] <socomm> http://open.bsdcow.net/pictures/Mala.png
[12:19] <jdub> tvon: (see the wiki, that was kinda the idea)
[12:19] <Bliksem> tbh, I feel comfortable giving ubuntu to women for doing normal day to day tasks, no need to worry about firewalls, viruses, spayware etc
[12:19] <mirak_> toyowheelin, yeah that is very true, but i must say that my vid cards runs pretty well under ubuntu, diddnt work at all in yoper
[12:19] <SmokingFire> So I think the elite Windose, M$ will not work.
[12:19] <LeeColleton> how do I turn off screen blanking?  I have the the Xscreensaver set to "disable" but the screen goes black after 15 minutes (IBM X30 Laptop)
[12:19] <socomm> Mala she's a developer for open.bsdcow.net
[12:19] <toyowheelin> thats good 
[12:19] <socomm> Very attractive woman.
[12:20] <Anna> wow, cute. (I'm not lesbian)
[12:20] <toyowheelin> mirak_, you get 3d acceleration?
[12:20] <socomm> I think shes hangs out in #asm or something.
[12:20] <socomm> She's israeli.
[12:20] <SmokingFire> LeeColleton: its not a bios option for battery saving?
[12:20] <Bliksem> any way, bootsplash in ubunut? any easy way to geto one? or do i have to recompile?
[12:20] <Anna> lol, ubunut
[12:20] <SmokingFire> www.gnome-look.org
[12:20] <jdub> Bliksem: that would require patching the kernel and a recompile.
[12:21] <Bliksem> :S
[12:21] <jdub> Bliksem: we'll have something far better than bootsplash for hoary.
[12:21] <Bliksem> nice
[12:21] <mirak_> toyowheeling, i dont know where to check to see for sure, but it seems as if i do, know where i could check???
[12:21] <toyowheelin> jedix, its done d/l
[12:21] <SmokingFire> how about a progress bar when booting
[12:21] <socomm> Bliksem: you mean bootsplash as in umm grub?
[12:22] <toyowheelin> umm...i have a xchat script that tells me
[12:22] <jdub> SmokingFire: that's what bootsplash is
[12:22] <Anna> Bliksem are you Dutch?
[12:22] <LeeColleton> SmokingFire: yeah, that's it.  thanks
[12:22] <toyowheelin> other than that no I dont
[12:22] <Bliksem> nope, but i know dutch and understand it :D
[12:22] <mirak_> toyowheelin, so what do i do??????
[12:22] <Bliksem> im south african
[12:22] <SmokingFire> jdub: oooh, thought it was pretty image in grub
[12:22] <Bliksem> so i know afrikaans
[12:22] <Anna> (Bliksem flits is Dutch for lightning)
[12:22] <Anna> Ah I see
[12:22] <Bliksem> same in afrikaans
[12:23] <Anna> Spreek jij dan ook Afrikaans neem ik aan?
[12:23] <mirak_> huh?
[12:23] <SmokingFire> mirak_: she is asking him for his phone number
[12:23] <Bliksem> jammer ek kan nie verstaan :S
[12:23] <joolz> Bliksem, vooral blijven oefenen :)
[12:23] <mirak_> smokingfire, hmmmm..........i guess
[12:24] <Anna> Oh "ek" is ik
[12:24] <socomm> Bliksem: Anna  take it to a private.
[12:24] <SmokingFire> Bliksem anwsered that he has a partner
[12:24] <Bliksem> LOL
[12:24] <toyowheelin> jedix, what problem were you having with doom3
[12:24] <Bliksem> you all havent a clue ;)
[12:24] <jedix> toyowheelin, installing it failed.
[12:24] <joolz> sommigen van ons wel, Bliksem ;)
[12:24] <toyowheelin> what error?
[12:25] <jedix> could not find glib-2.0 in (text cut out)
[12:25] <mirak_> anyone know how to tell if i have 3d support
[12:25] <SmokingFire> mirak_: yes but I will not tell
[12:25] <Bliksem> ons moet engels praat <---- we should speak english in public
[12:25] <jedix> I tracked it  down to the tmp dir it makes on install
[12:25] <Anna> actually I was trying to speak Afrikaans, the Germanic dialect spoken in South Africa. I speak Dutch as I live in Holland.
[12:25] <SmokingFire> mirak_: nvdia or ati
[12:25] <jedix> it has a 2.1 glib but not a 2.0..
[12:25] <mirak_> smokingfire, :( :( pretty plz?
[12:25] <toyowheelin> humm... mine has an error too
[12:25] <mirak_> ati
[12:25] <mirak_> smokingfire, ati
[12:25] <jedix> copying it over doesn't work because it makes 2.1 specific calls.
[12:25] <SmokingFire> ooh I have nvidia
[12:26] <mirak_> ohh.......its not the same way??
[12:26] <mirak_> is there like a cdmark app or something for linux??
[12:26] <mirak_> 3dmark*
[12:26] <toyowheelin> well that sucks
[12:26] <jedix> indeed.
[12:26] <SmokingFire> for me its just case of search synaptic for nvidia and then look in the description for the command I must issue after install and then log off or reboot.
[12:27] <mirak_> hmmmm
[12:28] <Anna> Which reminds me of the tedious language switches in Open Office. Us who speak more than one language and use several during the course of the day have to go into Tools, Options, Languages
[12:28] <Anna> For a spell check
[12:28] <SmokingFire> mirak_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:29] <mirak_> oh man...........binary
[12:29] <Anna> It would be nice if that was hooked to the keyboard indicator
[12:29] <SmokingFire> like in window 2k
[12:29] <chowells> is there any way to get a list of all the available wireless networks (e.g. ssid)? I want to write a tiny script to automatically connect to the right network depending on if I'm at home or in uni
[12:29] <toyowheelin> ok well im out of here
[12:30] <Livewire-> is there a partition manager in Ubuntu? and how do i see my hardware config in general (with a GUI)?
[12:30] <SmokingFire> mirak_: don't forget to install the prober version of linux-restricted modules
[12:30] <mirak_> smokingfire, im not about to attempt that..........give me a few more weeks
[12:31] <SmokingFire> Livewire-: hardware config --> computer --> system config --device manager
[12:31] <SmokingFire> mirak_: its just a deb package, really easy
[12:31] <mirak_> smokingfire, hmmmm......but im still afraid to edit src.list
[12:32] <SmokingFire> ooh
[12:32] <Snubbel> lol
[12:33] <mirak_> im gonna try it......wish me luck
[12:33] <SmokingFire> well just make a backup in home or something or email it to your self.
[12:33] <Anna> mirak, you're further than me then, I don't even know what scr.list is.
[12:33] <SmokingFire> it doesn't excist its sources.list
[12:33] <Bliksem> wouldnt worry nothing too complicated with sources.list
[12:33] <mirak_> smokingfire, short hand, you know what i meant
[12:33] <SmokingFire> ok, but she may have gotten confused by it.
[12:34] <Anna> My pussy is twitching.
[12:34] <mirak_> smokingfire, then i apologize, my fault
[12:34] <socomm> Yuck.
[12:34] <Anna> cat I mean
[12:34] <mirak_> lol
[12:34] <Bliksem> thanks anna
[12:34] <socomm> Yuck.
[12:34] <__daniel> :-)
[12:34] <mirak_> i think theey have pills for that
[12:36] <Anna> no, she is dreaming on my lap
[12:36] <mirak_> hehe
[12:36] <Bliksem> slaap lekker :)
[12:36] <David-_> where is the hardware setup?
[12:36] <mirak_> smokingfire, im sorry, dont hit me......how do i edit the source.list???
[12:36] <SmokingFire> first create a backup
[12:36] <Bliksem> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:36] <mirak_> ok.......thnx both of you
[12:36] <Bliksem> np
[12:36] <SmokingFire> ok do the sudo and then before changing anything do as save as in /home
[12:36] <__daniel> using gedit on configfiles feels like editing them in winword :-)
[12:37] <__daniel> but it's alright :-)
[12:38] <SmokingFire> well vim learning curve is very high
[12:38] <Bliksem> heh... wait till you have to use vim, first time i thought it was endgame
[12:38] <David-_> hmm theres no hardware setup menu
[12:38] <__daniel> Bliksem, i can tell you: i directly called a friend and was happy he told me about esc :wq  :-)
[12:39] <Bliksem> lol, it took me forever to work out how to exit, never mind saving changes
[12:39] <SmokingFire> it took me ages to :save <file>!
[12:39] <Bliksem> SmokingFire easy once you know
[12:39] <Bliksem> but im a newbie
[12:39] <SmokingFire> but I had no choice as x wouldn't start
[12:39] <SmokingFire> I'm a noob too but no choice
[12:40] <David-_> where can i see my hardware?
[12:40] <mirak_> smokingfire, the lins that it calls for arent there..do i just add them????
[12:40] <Bliksem> I also had to use it, x wouldn start either for me...
[12:40] <mirak_> lines*
[12:40] <SmokingFire> When I used ms-dos they had applications that had simple keyboard driven menu's. Anyone remember qbasic?
[12:42] <Bliksem> yep
[12:42] <Bliksem> mirak_ what is it you're doing again?
[12:42] <SmokingFire> So having a vim with menu's should be possible
[12:42] <SmokingFire> drops the learning curve
[12:42] <socomm> SmokingFire: why would you need menus?
[12:42] <Despair> SmokingFire: if you don't know vim, use nano
[12:42] <socomm> SmokingFire: you want menus, try emacs.
[12:42] <ricochet> does the ubuntu Qt package have mysql enabled?
[12:42] <Bliksem> so n00bs know what to do
[12:42] <David-_> is there a hardware setup area?
[12:42] <David-_> i really cant find one
[12:42] <socomm> Bliksem: you gotta knock the snot of the n00bs sooner or later.
[12:42] <SmokingFire> Despair: you must first know they  exists..
[12:43] <mirak_> bliksem, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:43] <David-_> and its certainly not in Computer > Sys Conf
[12:43] <SmokingFire> David-_: Computer System Config -- Device manager
[12:43] <David-_> there is no Device Manager button
[12:43] <SmokingFire> sorry its not HW setup, just viewer
[12:43] <David-_> ya thats what im after
[12:44] <David-_> and i cant see that button
[12:44] <SmokingFire> david do in console: sudo hal-device-manager
[12:44] <mirak_> david-_, it is the first item
[12:44] <David-_> no, my first button is Login Screen Setup
[12:44] <Bliksem> mirak, in your sources list there should be something that says #uncomment the following two lines.....
[12:44] <Bliksem> remove the hashes at the begining of the lines following that
[12:45] <SmokingFire> David-_: something wrong with installation then. 
[12:45] <David-_> :/
[12:45] <Bliksem> then save and exit
[12:45] <mirak_> yes, but the lines that it calls for are in the source.list............so i was aking if i should just add them
[12:45] <David-_> i upgraded from Preview to RC via Synaptic
[12:45] <David-_> that must of monged it
[12:45] <SmokingFire> David-_: What version of ubuntu are you using and if older then some weeks please use synaptic to upgrade your system
[12:45] <Bliksem> "add them" ? they are there, just commented out
[12:46] <Bliksem> uncomment them, i.e. remove the hashes
[12:46] <mirak_> bliksem, they arent there to uncomment
[12:46] <socomm> mirak_: remove the pound (#) sign
[12:46] <mirak_> i will post my source.list
[12:47] <socomm> mirak_: post it on #flodd
[12:47] <socomm> #flood
[12:47] <Bliksem> add them then, but sureley they must be there
[12:47] <SmokingFire> weird that some on some desktops ubuntu screws up. Maybe they life under a high voltage powerline
[12:48] <mirak_> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041013)] / unstable main restricted 
[12:48] <mirak_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted 
[12:48] <mirak_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted 
[12:48] <mirak_> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[12:48] <mirak_> ## repository.
[12:48] <mirak_> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:48] <mirak_> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:48] <mirak_> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[12:48] <mirak_> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[12:48] <mirak_> ## team.
[12:48] <mirak_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe  
[12:48] <mirak_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe 
[12:48] <mirak_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted 
[12:48] <mirak_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted 
[12:48] <mirak_> see they arent there
[12:48] <SmokingFire> so what do you want to do?
[12:48] <SmokingFire> mirak_: 
[12:49] <mirak_> smokingfire, yes????
[12:49] <socomm> mirak_: it is rude to post anything over three lines in public channles.
[12:49] <Mirno> woops
[12:49] <Bliksem> mirak add: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[12:49] <Mirno> sorry
[12:49] <mirak_> socomm, sorry.............
[12:49] <Bliksem> and add: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[12:49] <mirak_> bliksem, that is what i was asking......do i just add the
[12:49] <socomm> mirak_: if you wanna post stuff like that use #flood
[12:49] <mirak_> thenm
[12:49] <ricochet> Im trying to run a mythtv frontend on my system, does libqt3 not have mysql support??
[12:50] <Bliksem> yes add them, doesn matter where in the list, i would put them at the bottom
[12:50] <socomm> ricochet: huh, join #qt
[12:50] <mirak_> socomm, i apologize
[12:50] <mirak_> bliksem....done
[12:50] <Bliksem> save, and exit
[12:50] <socomm> mirak_: it's all right but some channels will boot you if you do something like that
[12:50] <mirak_> bliksem, done
[12:50] <Bliksem> then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:50] <Bliksem> then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:51] <mirak_> socomm, ok.thnx for looking out
[12:51] <mirak_> brb!!!!
[12:51] <Dekkard> rythmbox... how cute
[12:52] <SmokingFire> mirak_: no, you have ati right?
[12:53] <Anna> What annoys people about newbies?
[12:53] <maswan> I don't know really, but some people are really annoying picking on newbies.
[12:53] <Dekkard> you mean what about newbies annoys people..?
[12:53] <Anna> yes
[12:53] <Dekkard> only one thing
[12:54] <Dekkard> and it is easily cured with this one truism...
[12:54] <Dekkard> "Google is your friend"
[12:54] <socomm> Asking questions without doing sufficient research.
[12:54] <Anna> I see
[12:54] <Anna> consumer attitude..
[12:55] <Dekkard> everyone should be required ot run something like slack.. or straight debian for a year.. to see how really nice this distro is
[12:55] <maswan> People acting clue-resistant is the issue, not relative experience, IMO.
[12:56] <Anna> Interesting term, clue resistant
[12:56] <Dekkard> there is a website that has a text file.. if you look under Simply Linux.. it has the information in it to solve most probs i see..
[12:56] <socomm> Anna: IRC/BBS/UseNet/Mailing List should be your last resort.
[12:57] <SmokingFire> most humans hate/dislike reading, prefer to get information in a one to one way, e.g. irc channels.
[12:58] <Bliksem> dont go to neowin, full of idiots
[12:58] <Dekkard> i like reading the good faqs..usually there is enough there to cut and paste your way through things
[12:58] <socomm> Whenever I do ask for help, I try to pay back somehow. For instance helping other people with their own problems.
[12:59] <Anna> This is a socialization issue. A lot of people simply have never gone out and done things for themselves.
[12:59] <SmokingFire> For example the title of this channel holds anwsers to 90% of the questions
[01:00] <Anna> Well personally (and I did not ask that question with me in mind) I do search for documentation.
[01:00] <Bliksem> what do you mean anna? "alot of people have simply never gone and done things for themselves" ?
[01:00] <baHam> Anna, what is the problem
[01:00] <SmokingFire> Thats why I think a bot in this channel would be great. For example a question about nvidia or apt. Just type bot nvidia and it will spit out the links on the homepage.
[01:01] <socomm> SmokingFire: bots suck.
[01:01] <Anna> Well people are never using their brain: everything is pre-digested in one way or the other, be it education, religion, social behavior from TV...
[01:02] <SmokingFire> basically learn to think to ask not to repeat.
[01:02] <Anna> The only time people learn to do things on their own is when they hit university.
[01:02] <Bliksem> ditto
[01:02] <Anna> In good universities...
[01:02] <baHam> Anna, where are you from
[01:02] <SmokingFire> well must pre-uni education doesn't require thinking. Just learn stuff of head.
[01:02] <Anna> I'm German born living in Holland
[01:03] <SmokingFire> Holland a new european country?
[01:03] <socomm> I never attended University, booohooo.
[01:03] <socomm> *sob sob*
[01:03] <Anna> Huh? No, Holland is one of the first ones...
[01:03] <Anna> Me neither socomm
[01:03] <SmokingFire> socomm: I noticed that most uni's at least for programming just use books that you can buy from amazon
[01:04] <baHam> Anna, also bist du eine deutsche frau :D 
[01:04] <Anna> Ja;-)
[01:04] <mirak_> smokingfire, that is true
[01:04] <SmokingFire> Anna: I meant that Holland are just two provinces. Like saying I'm from Bayern to a foreigner
[01:04] <baHam> Anna, kann ich mit dir im pvt reden ?
[01:05] <SmokingFire> ooh ooh cyber
[01:05] <Anna> Nein, im Moment nicht
[01:05] <Anna> Actually Holland has more than two provinces
[01:06] <SmokingFire> Holland does not
[01:06] <Anna> Oh, I see where you're coming from
[01:06] <socomm> Holland isn't that the place with the wooden shoes?
[01:06] <SmokingFire> There is South Holland and North Holland and there is the country the netherlands
[01:06] <Bliksem> rofl
[01:06] <orutherfurd> hi, this may be more a gnome question, but I tried to share my desktop so I could use access from another question, but can't connect from another computer -- any ideas?
[01:06] <Anna> Holland is also used in place of The Netherlands
[01:06] <parax> hi
[01:07] <SmokingFire> well just saying you are factually wrong but I'm being a nitpicker.
[01:07] <Anna> Something like that;-)
[01:08] <parax> which is the preferred format for a patch file? I'm creating one wich adds new files, with diff -urN (comparing two directories, package.orig and package); is that correct?
[01:08] <SmokingFire> But its like english and british
[01:08] <socomm> orutherfurd: vnc?
[01:08] <socomm> orutherfurd: ssh maybe?
[01:08] <Anna> Sort of
[01:08] <parax> or better I must create the patch inside the package directory, so it can be applied from source root?
[01:08] <orutherfurd> socomm, yes -- tried to connect from my windows box -> ubuntu box, using tightvnc viewer. got connection refused.
[01:08] <SmokingFire> If you are from northern ireland and you say are english you are factually wrong but British is right.
[01:09] <socomm> orutherfurd: you may need to open up some ports
[01:09] <Bliksem> bah the people in NI do my head in
[01:09] <daniels> SmokingFire: i can whole-heartedly recommend never attempting to call anyone from Northern Ireland, English
[01:09] <daniels> ever.
[01:10] <SmokingFire> orutherfurd: linux has build in kernel to not connect to any windows, if you persist it will unleash some nasty viri
[01:10] <Bliksem> the people in NI support england, scotland, britain, UK and IRELAND - when it suits them
[01:10] <orutherfurd> socomm, ok, thanks
[01:11] <SmokingFire> Well the other provnices of the netherlands are just toys of the provinces holland
[01:11] <daniels> Bliksem: there's no universal theme -- there are people who support it being a part of England, peoplewho support it being a part of Ireland, and never the 'twain shall meet
[01:11] <SmokingFire> Support being part of England or Brittan?
[01:11] <daniels> Bliksem: google for "bloody friday" etc, there have been numerous bloody battles, and religion also plays a key part in this.
[01:12] <daniels> SmokingFire: (the UK, if you want to get precise)
[01:12] <SmokingFire> well its confusing
[01:12] <Anna> but back to my earlier observation: People attracted to Linux are usually people who *do* like to do and think for themselves, like gifted people who share such behavior. So this would create the conflict of average IQ people with consumerist attitude and gifted developers / experienced Linuxers who just can't understand why these newbies seem incapable of making the simplest connections.
[01:12] <daniels> but, I digress.  this is all deeply offtopic, and I'd come debate it with you in #offtopic, but I have things to do.  if you need more information, Google truly is your fruend.
[01:12] <SmokingFire> You don't say Great Britian anymore?
[01:12] <Bliksem> I know all about it, I moved here from south africa and cant get over the *general* stupidity of the people here (NI)
[01:13] <jedix> not so great i guess
[01:13] <SmokingFire> Anna: I would call them early adaptors.
[01:13] <socomm> Anna: buzzz wrong.
[01:13] <ygnome> Anna: that doesn't work for me :)
[01:13] <SmokingFire> early adapters would use a not 100% working application
[01:14] <ygnome> Anna: if these low IQ types are coming, how are they attracted to linux if they are not 'gifted'...
[01:14] <FLeiXiuS> I think we need to make an ubuntu commercial...
[01:14] <Bliksem> I agree with you Anna most of the way with that arguement
[01:14] <SmokingFire> Some guy made a nice graph in which early adaptors and people who just use it because its on the pc.
[01:14] <socomm> I have low IQ, and am not gifted.
[01:15] <FLeiXiuS> IQ has nothing to do with the usability of linux
[01:15] <Bliksem> socom what made you use linux?
[01:15] <Anna> Well that's not mutually exclusive... average IQ people may just express different motivations of being attracted to linux..
[01:15] <SmokingFire> well if you use kde you might have an iq porblem
[01:15] <ygnome> socomm: ah but you are, there just isn't a measure for your giftedness yet!
[01:15] <mirak_> i think maybe not IQ level but maybe common sense level
[01:16] <FLeiXiuS> mirak_, definately.
[01:16] <ygnome> Anna: but your dissertation above seems to imply it.
[01:16] <Bliksem> people who use linux i think dont want to be spoon fed, they want to think "outside the box"
[01:16] <swb1943> Mirak: Sense isnt very common
[01:16] <SmokingFire> just being well informed about the possibilities and being interesting in something new
[01:16] <ygnome> openmindedness
[01:17] <FLeiXiuS> Linux isn't about how smart you are, but how willing you are to go about finding answers
[01:17] <SmokingFire> yep
[01:17] <Anna> Blixem: Your negative experience may also have to do with culture shock. I remember how I just couldn't believe how traumatic moving to a country next door could be. The Netherlands is a deeply perplexing country 
[01:17] <Bliksem> was about to say free thinking, same sorta idea
[01:17] <mirak_> i find that after i learn how to do something in linux im just like, "oh, it makes sence that, that is was i was supposed to do", in other words, i dont find myself asking  "WHY" to often
[01:17] <Bliksem> oh I am still suffering culture shock... I cant believe alot of things here
[01:18] <SmokingFire> The only smart linux people are the kernel/gnu/gnome and kde coders
[01:18] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, developers > all :-)
[01:18] <ygnome> SmokingFire: no, they are the GODS of linux. We are the smart people :)
[01:18] <Bliksem> SmokingFire users too
[01:19] <Riddell> none of gnu, gnome or kde are linux
[01:19] <FLeiXiuS> we are all very smart people, but the people I envy most are those who develope the world in which I reside in
[01:19] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: your parents?
[01:20] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, the penguin 
[01:20] <Bliksem> rofl
[01:20] <FLeiXiuS> lol
[01:20] <baHam> anybody using skype ? I wanna try something..
[01:20] <ygnome> heh.
[01:20] <Bliksem> envy, that not a deadly sin?
[01:20] <Bliksem> one of the 7
[01:20] <SmokingFire> GOD is dead
[01:20] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, I didn't mean to relate to my parents lol
[01:21] <ygnome> SmokingFire: don't go there. it's not worth it.
[01:21] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: I know but you were getting to philosophical on me.
[01:21] <socomm> philosophy sucks.
[01:21] <jimmy_dean> is it not possible to create a swap partition via the ubuntu manual partition program?
[01:21] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, Think in geeky terms, parents would come after the computer :-)
[01:21] <Bliksem> how good is firestarter as a firewall, or iptables for that matter?
[01:21] <jdub> jimmy_dean: yeah
[01:22] <Anna> Without going too deep into the subject: If you don't manage to get to grip with the place within two years, it's probably not for you. I say this from own experience. I could never fully acclimatize here, and went too deep unfortunately so now I can't just hop out. And even if I could, which place is truly better?
[01:22] <jimmy_dean> jdub: any reason why you cannot?
[01:22] <jdub> jimmy_dean: you change the usage of the partition
[01:22] <jdub> you can
[01:22] <ushooz> Bliksem, firestarter is a good start
[01:22] <Anna> I use firestarter
[01:22] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: my parent had to sell my first computer because I would not do anything else. Still hate them for that.
[01:22] <jimmy_dean> jdub ok, I found it...thanks!
[01:22] <socomm> Firestarter is all right. I just use the script at startpu though.
[01:23] <ygnome> SmokingFire: this parent has truly thought of doing just that...
[01:23] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, I know the feeling, I was banned from my pc, set a time limit for my usage.
[01:23] <Bliksem> Anna Im not happy here, but i wont go back to SA, I will find somewhere else
[01:23] <jimmy_dean> jdub: should the /boot partition be mounted as ro ?
[01:23] <jimmy_dean> jdub: I'm used to Gentoo, that's what it does
[01:23] <Anna> Bliksem: Like which place you have in mind?
[01:24] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, I'd set the fstab options to defaults
[01:24] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, ok
[01:24] <SmokingFire> ygnome, FLeiXiuS but then I got my first real jop and it was related to computers and I earned more then my farther in his 40 year work experience managed to get. Never ever heard from them since.
[01:24] <Bliksem> I dont know, I just know I dot want to live here (uk)
[01:24] <Bliksem> *dont
[01:24] <ygnome> SmokingFire: lol
[01:24] <Anna> socomm: I haven't configured firestarter properly yet, I'm using it with an open root terminal I push to the second desktop surface...
[01:25] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, lol usually how it goes..
[01:25] <ygnome> SmokingFire: well, I hope my kid does that, his dad spends more time than him tho :)
[01:25] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, I used to run a small time webhosting company which expanded greatly where I would recieve a ton of tax mail from several states
[01:25] <Anna> Oh you're in the UK? I thought you were in the Netherlands, lol
[01:25] <FLeiXiuS> My parents then said i was going to far ahead of others
[01:26] <Anna> Yeah, UK is insanely overpriced, I mean gosh, those rents... like Western Holland
[01:26] <Bliksem> Anna, ye uk...
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, this was at the age of 14
[01:26] <SmokingFire> Yeah and now my mother is like, did you read your computer books. Could you fix the computer of my friend and more
[01:27] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you actually?
[01:27] <SmokingFire> But she would be damned capitalist. Each time I help someone with their pc, she says ask money for it.
[01:27] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: now I'm 27
[01:27] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, I have several years to catch up :-P
[01:27] <SmokingFire> It was when I was 14 and the pc I had was a 186xt
[01:28] <Anna> I also wouldn't know which country is next. Spain perhaps. At least sun.
[01:28] <Anna> And a new language (yum)
[01:28] <Bliksem> why are you moving?
[01:28] <Anna> I'm unhappy in the Netherlands
[01:28] <Bliksem> I think australia... dont know i could stick the accent though :/
[01:28] <cardador> Anna: for sun, try portugal :)
[01:28] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, Im 16.  But with the knowledge I hold, im sure I could manufacture something good in the future..
[01:28] <Anna> lol
[01:29] <SmokingFire> anna learn a latin language and you will basically understand more of the lang of europe. Like the latin has had over english
[01:29] <Anna> I actually heard nice things about Portugal
[01:29] <FLeiXiuS> Bliksem,  don't go to australia, they're internet is slower then hell
[01:29] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: yup, and i'm envious as at my time there was no such thing as internet, only library. If I had the internet at your age.
[01:29] <cardador> Anna: what exactly, apart from football?
[01:29] <Anna> Ugh. Australia is so far off.
[01:29] <Bliksem> heh... try Telkom in south frica for slow
[01:30] <SmokingFire> Anna: but the kangaroos
[01:30] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, how do you utlize a logical partition with this partition program?  I can't figure out how to make a logical partition and then create sub partitions within it
[01:30] <FLeiXiuS> SmokingFire, if i remember as far back as I can the only thing i can remember is the old mac's which were all text based.  We had the internet but it was hard to navigate
[01:30] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, because I have already filled up my 4 primary partitions
[01:31] <SmokingFire> FLeiXiuS: I you really like computers and want to study it, I recommend digital electronics, it will have computers and much more. Better then pure computer science
[01:31] <Bliksem> jimmy_dean what app are you using?
[01:31] <Anna> Cardador: I'm deeply disappointed with this society. 
[01:31] <SmokingFire> Anna: why?
[01:31] <jimmy_dean> Bliksem, the manual partition editor in the ubuntu installer
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, is Ubuntu already installed?
[01:31] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, nope, installing it right now
[01:31] <Bliksem> hmm, took me a while to work my way round with it
[01:31] <cardador> Anna: dont expect better in portugal...
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, and you can't select a hard drive, then unformatted space
[01:32] <SmokingFire> Anna: what kind of society are you looking for?
[01:32] <Anna> Oh why. That is difficult to wrap into a line. But it just comes down to that I and Holland simply don't match. 
[01:32] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, wait, what?  I don't get your last statement
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, whats your precise problem?
[01:33] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, ok, so I create /boot, swap, / as my first 3 primary partitions
[01:33] <Bliksem> hmm im in kinda the same predicament, here everything revolves around football and getting drunk
[01:33] <Anna> That is also difficult to answer Smoking Fire
[01:33] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, and I have more partitions to setup, but obviously I only have one more primary partition to use
[01:33] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I need an extended partition
[01:33] <SmokingFire> But do you want more open culture or more private?
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, the extended partition was created automatically for me
[01:34] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: Basically it also depends on your friends
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, I'd locate you primary hd, then select the unformatted space and create a partition within it.  
[01:34] <Bliksem> yes, I have found some friends i can relate to
[01:34] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: used go to a place where nerds hang out and the topics will be very different.
[01:34] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, that's what I'm doing
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, i'm trying to think back to the installer..
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, then what other information do you need
[01:35] <Bliksem> but also the society, the lyrics that are found enjoyable in music, are vulgar
[01:35] <Bliksem> the way men think about women in general
[01:35] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: pop culture
[01:35] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I need to create /boot, swap, /, /var, /usr, /home, /tmp
[01:35] <Bliksem> its not what I was brought up with
[01:35] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: just tune to another radio station like sky radio
[01:35] <Anna> Bliksem are you female?
[01:36] <Bliksem> rofl no
[01:36] <Anna> Oh ok
[01:36] <Anna> Oops
[01:36] <Bliksem> not gay either, if thats your next question :P
[01:36] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, do you understand what I'm trying to do now?
[01:36] <SmokingFire> You can't deny people the choice if they like hearing dirty lyrics or getting drunk or whatever. Just find another circle of friends
[01:36] <DanC_lap> any clues on how to add a user? I added one with useradd or whatever from the CLI, but then I had to edit /etc/sudoers and add the new user to the audio group. and sound still isn't working for that user.
[01:36] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/partition-4.html  read this, that explains where to put the partitions and what options to give them
[01:37] <Bliksem> but that is almost the entire culture, I find sanity in christians - yet im athiest
[01:37] <Bliksem> i just dont fit in
[01:37] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I understand that...I'm just confused how to do that with the partition editor on the Ubuntu installer
[01:37] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: ho, there are plenty of christians, just goto a church
[01:37] <Anna> No, I wasn't suggesting you're gay. I thought you may be female given your remark on how men treat women...
[01:37] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I create this many partitions all the time in Gentoo
[01:37] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, oh alright, let me pop in the installer 1 sec
[01:37] <Anna> Besides, being gay is totally ok
[01:37] <SmokingFire> ooh misread sorry Bliksem
[01:38] <Anna> at least with me
[01:38] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, ok, thanks
[01:38] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, sorry for the mis-comprehension
[01:38] <jimmy_dean> that's no problem
[01:38] <Bliksem> I dont care what people are, as long as they're happy...
[01:38] <DanC_lap> any suggestions on where to look for docs on addings users?
[01:38] <Anna> that's a nice statement, I like it
[01:38] <ushooz> I don't care what people are as long as they do not try to push it on me
[01:39] <SmokingFire> When I was at school, I had two groups of people I hanged out, the drunk football lovers (to stereo type) and the geeks but I was neither because I loved both.
[01:39] <ushooz> sexual preference or religion maters not to me. Just do not try to convert me or hit on me
[01:39] <FLeiXiuS> ushooz, exactly.
[01:39] <ygnome> jimmy_dean: I used to do that too, but it's not really as impotant now that we have single disk installs on big volumes.
[01:39] <SmokingFire> ushooz: want to change religion and after why can cyber?
[01:40] <SmokingFire> why -we
[01:40] <ushooz> laugh
[01:40] <jimmy_dean> ygnome, yes, I'd agree except that I'm creating a home file server with this Ubuntu install
[01:40] <SmokingFire> laugh its a joke
[01:40] <ushooz> I will pass SmokingFire :)
[01:40] <DanC_lap> btw... score one for ubuntu... the 802.11 PCI card I just bought worked the 1st time. (ath0)
[01:41] <ygnome> jimmy_dean: I create home file servers with a /boot and a / all the time.
[01:41] <ushooz> last think I need to get working on my x86 laptop is suspend on lid close
[01:41] <DanC_lap> DWL-G520. $30 after rebate. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=150261
[01:42] <FLeiXiuS> ygnome, but u have more controll over manually installed partitions, jimmy_dean 1 more second its loading up now
[01:42] <Anna> Actually, homosexuality nor heterosexuality exist, since the difference between gender are insufficient to establish different sections of humans. The premise of humans is female that's why men have nipples and milk ducts. And the prostate is actually a retarded womb. The Y chromosome is not a Y chromosome either, it's really just an X with a missing leg.
[01:42] <jimmy_dean> ygnome, yeah, ever try adminstering lots of Linux servers before?  All of these partitions saved me many times before.
[01:42] <DanC_lap> and where is synaptic? I don't see it in the menus
[01:43] <ygnome> FLeiXiuS: you do have more control, but the advantages are not worth the effort IMO
[01:43] <ygnome> jimmy_dean: I have about 20 or so, the ones that give the most grief are the old ones with lots of defined partitions.
[01:43] <FLeiXiuS> ygnome, i have little or no effort involved..its quite easy if u picture it
[01:43] <SmokingFire> Anna: I read the the clitoris is actually a penis
[01:43] <jdub> guys
[01:43] <Anna> That's correct
[01:43] <jdub> off topic stuff elsewhere please
[01:44] <Anna> Well, the penis is actually an enlarged clitoris
[01:44] <FLeiXiuS> Anna, is this really neccessary?
[01:44] <Bliksem> lol
[01:44] <ygnome> jdub: us? k.
[01:44] <FLeiXiuS> ok jimmy_dean which screen are you at?
[01:44] <daniels> there's a channel called #offtopic which anyone is welcome to use for random conversations
[01:44] <Anna> I don't understand the criticism. 
[01:44] <Anna> Ah, I see.
[01:44] <Anna> Off topic
[01:44] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I am at the screen where I can select free space to create partitions on
[01:45] <FLeiXiuS> Anna, this is linux, not exploring sexuality 101
[01:46] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, alright do you see IDE master (or wherever you installing too)
[01:46] <jimmy_dean> yes
[01:46] <Bliksem> eh, nothing interesting in #offtopic
[01:46] <DanC_lap> clues on synaptic? or adding users?
[01:46] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, ok, under that topic what do you see?
[01:47] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, do you see unpartitioned free space, or do you seee partitions
[01:47] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I see my 80 GB drive, and the first 3 partitions that I created (all primary) and then free space
[01:47] <SmokingFire> So Anna if you want to vent /join #offtopic
[01:47] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, alright, so you already have your partitions created?  Do you need to label them now?
[01:47] <Anna> Is there anyone there? 
[01:48] <jimmy_dean> I labelled them
[01:48] <Bliksem> a few
[01:48] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, alright, i would only set the /boot as primary and the rest logical
[01:48] <Anna> ok
[01:48] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, really, interesting...even the swap?
[01:48] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, also giving /boot booting privledges
[01:48] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, why not fill up the first 3 as primary and then a logical drive?
[01:48] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, the swap you can format to a swap partition
[01:49] <FLeiXiuS> navigate down to your swap space
[01:49] <jimmy_dean> ok
[01:49] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, push enter
[01:49] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I'm there
[01:49] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, under Usage Method, select swap area
[01:49] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, yep, did that already
[01:50] <FLeiXiuS> alright then done
[01:50] <jimmy_dean> k
[01:50] <FLeiXiuS> does your /boot partitio nhave a lightening bolt next to it?
[01:50] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, yes it does
[01:50] <FLeiXiuS> alright, do you have a format chosen for it?
[01:50] <FLeiXiuS> format == fs*
[01:51] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, yeah, ext3
[01:51] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, have you thought about using reiserfs ?
[01:51] <FLeiXiuS> very fast fs
[01:51] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, I use those for every other partition
[01:51] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, boot doesn't need to be fast, just reliable...and ext3 is very reliable
[01:52] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, alright, you sould like you pretty much have it up and running 
[01:52] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, yes :-P, i was just making sure!
[01:52] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, how do I create all of the rest of my partitions?
[01:52] <FLeiXiuS> which mount points have u created?
[01:52] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, do I want to create a logical partition that fills up the rest of the free space and then create all of the rest of the partitions under it, right?
[01:53] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, /boot, swap and /
[01:53] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean,  I would do that yes
[01:53] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, yeah, but I don't see how to create partitions within the logical partition
[01:53] <FLeiXiuS> you create the logical partitions seperate
[01:53] <FLeiXiuS> and then an extended partition will be placed around them
[01:53] <FLeiXiuS> automatically
[01:53] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, oh really, where will that show up at?
[01:54] <FLeiXiuS> you won't see it, but when you boot and you fdisk -l you will notice it
[01:55] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, so I can't do the rest of the partitions from the installer?
[01:55] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, yes you can, just continue to install the partitions seperately
[01:55] <FLeiXiuS> instead of creating 1 huge logical, you would create small seperate ones for each mount point
[01:55] <FLeiXiuS> IE: 1 logical for /usr another logical for /home and etc...
[01:56] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, oh!
[01:56] <jimmy_dean> I see what you mean now
[01:56] <jimmy_dean> this is different than Gentoo slightly
[01:56] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, slightly but I like both methods :-)  this one is easier for the user..if they haven't a clue what they are doing
[01:56] <FLeiXiuS> for those who are experienced were a bit more confused ;-P
[01:57] <tvon> Anyone have a bttv card?
[01:57] <tvon> I'm looking for btaudio success stories
[01:57] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, yeah, that is very true :)
[01:57] <SmokingFire> tvon thats like a tv card? I had a pinnacle a long time ago.
[01:58] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, thanks for your help
[01:58] <SmokingFire> tvon: it used to work on mandrake fine, however I wish they included a decoder so I could was the pay channels.
[01:58] <FLeiXiuS> jimmy_dean, sorry for the confusion :-P i was puzzled with words also lol
[01:59] <tvon> SmokingFire: yeah, tv tuner.  Trying to get sound to work with it via alsa
[02:00] <jimmy_dean> FLeiXiuS, np at all
[02:02] <FLeiXiuS> :-), have fun with ubuntu 
[02:02] <FLeiXiuS> Its very nice, check out the forums also
[02:02] <FLeiXiuS> http://ubuntuforums.org
[02:03] <SmokingFire> Do the ubuntu people feel responsible for the subject we talk about on this channel? I mean if I posted a link to crack windows or windows warez what is their policy?
[02:03] <tvon> I would think not
[02:04] <ushooz> SmokingFire, it is would be frowned on
[02:04] <mirak_> quick question.i have a radeon 7000/ve and the best frmae rat i can get under glxgears is 135...is that bad or good????
[02:04] <ushooz> that is bad mirak_
[02:04] <mirak_> ushooz. bad overall.or bad for my card????
[02:04] <SmokingFire> mirak_: how do you get the framerate?
[02:04] <ushooz> bad overall
[02:05] <mirak_> smokingfire, launch glxgears from terminal
[02:05] <ushooz> I get close to 1000 on a cheap laptop Nvidia card
[02:05] <SmokingFire> mirak_: I did but see no frame rate
[02:05] <mirak_> ushooz, how is that for my card... uhh gigabyte ati radoen 7000 65mb
[02:05] <SmokingFire> mirak_: I see its 447.200 FPS
[02:05] <mirak_> smokingfire, it is in the terminal window
[02:06] <mirak_> 00 looks like 135.6 is my max
[02:06] <SmokingFire> mirak_: thats on a gf 4 mx 64MB (el cheapo)
[02:06] <Se7h> glxgears ?
[02:06] <mirak_> nvidia?
[02:06] <SmokingFire> mirak_: yup
[02:06] <SmokingFire> gf 4 mx is a 40 dollar graph card
[02:07] <joh_> hi
[02:07] <SmokingFire> hi
[02:07] <joh_> is Mplayer available in any of the repositorys ?
[02:07] <mirak_> my card was 35.but it is ati
[02:08] <Se7h> 28349 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5669.800 FPS
[02:08] <Se7h> :D
[02:08] <SmokingFire> Se7h: what card?
[02:08] <ushooz> joh_, yes
[02:08] <baHam> anybody using a creative nx pro webcam?
[02:08] <Se7h> fg4 440
[02:08] <Se7h> *gf4
[02:08] <Se7h> :)
[02:08] <SmokingFire> thats an mx?
[02:08] <sparkx> i got 1116 FPS on an ibook, if that gives you an idea.
[02:08] <baHam> Se7h,????????????????????
[02:08] <mirak_> se7h, i get 135.600 in 5.0 sec........how many fps is that???
[02:08] <Se7h> yup
[02:09] <SmokingFire> Se7h: I have mx and also 440 or 460 or something
[02:09] <Se7h> mirak_ glxgears
[02:09] <ushooz> 27 fps
[02:09] <SmokingFire> ooh ok
[02:09] <SmokingFire> I get this 2236 frames in 5.0 seconds = 447.200 FPS
[02:09] <baHam> I have an 5200 GX
[02:10] <davidcg> for a game 3 or 4 yo 3D at 640x480 yo need almost 300-400 FPS
[02:10] <baHam> -_-
[02:10] <baHam> 7492 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1498.400 FPS
[02:10] <baHam> 9395 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1879.000 FPS
[02:10] <mirak_> ooh...nevermind...it is 135.6 fps
[02:10] <davidcg> for a tuxracer 200
[02:10] <baHam> so few fps ?
[02:10] <Se7h> :)
[02:10] <Se7h> baHam minimize glxgears
[02:10] <baHam> Se7h, why do I have so few fps ?
[02:10] <joh_> ushooz: Then I`ll take another look :) thansk
[02:10] <baHam> lol
[02:10] <baHam> 31626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6325.200 FPS
[02:10] <Se7h> ;)
[02:10] <baHam> asdasd
[02:11] <baHam> I get only 70 fps on counter-strike on linux
[02:11] <baHam> on windows I get 100 :|
[02:11] <baHam> or better..
[02:11] <baHam> I got.. I dont have no windows anymore
[02:11] <Se7h> remove vert sync
[02:11] <baHam> Se7h, yea but from WHERE
[02:11] <Se7h> dunno
[02:11] <Se7h> google
[02:11] <baHam> hehe
[02:11] <SmokingFire> ThreeDayMonk: like using a PIV HT for internet and email
[02:12] <baHam> that's the question
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> SmokingFire: what's a PIV HT?
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> ohh, never mind :-0
[02:12] <SmokingFire> ThreeDayMonk: Pentium 4 with hyper threading
[02:12] <spikeb> pentium four with hyperthreading
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> yeah got it
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> mind you, you need about that to run windows XP or KDE 3.3 smoothly :-)
[02:13] <spikeb> heh
[02:13] <spikeb> i have a duron 1ghz :)
[02:13] <ThreeDayMonk> spikeb: duron 800
[02:13] <SmokingFire> normal day to day usage you don't use its power but it's nice to have if you have the budget for highload cases
[02:13] <spikeb> ThreeDayMonk :)
[02:13] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm receiving P4 2.4GHz soon :-)
[02:13] <spikeb> cool
[02:14] <spikeb> when i upgrade, it'll be to an amd64 proc
[02:14] <ThreeDayMonk> can't wait to get rid of these piece of junk box with the worst hardware ever
[02:14] <mirak_> yeah.....spikeb
[02:14] <SmokingFire> when I upgrade I hope it will be either a dual core or dual processor hopefully both.
[02:15] <Se7h> baHam http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1407663&enterthread=y
[02:15] <ThreeDayMonk> if I were paying for it, I'd go for something dual, but I'm getting the P4 free :-D
[02:15] <spikeb> i'll probably upgrade in the spring - i got this setup for free.
[02:16] <mirak_> hehe. my next purchase i a downgrade. 400mghz lappy
[02:16] <mirak_> is a*
[02:16] <ThreeDayMonk> don't talk to me about laptops :-)
[02:16] <spikeb> hmm
[02:16] <mirak_> ok.sorry
[02:16] <spikeb> yeah i need a laptop since mine died
[02:17] <ThreeDayMonk> I have an iBook - it's taken over three weeks to get it repaired
[02:17] <spikeb> but i'll never save that much heh
[02:17] <Phr0stByte> good idea
[02:17] <mirak_> spikeb, you can get 1 like the one i mentioned from retrobox.xom
[02:17] <ThreeDayMonk> Apple screwed up the repair three times already: not dispatching twice, then, when they did repair it, they *downgraded* it "by accident"
[02:17] <mirak_> threedaymonk, id be pissed
[02:18] <SmokingFire> I need a tablet pc with wireless networking
[02:18] <mirak_> they better send you back a powerbook
[02:18] <ThreeDayMonk> mirak_: I am; can't you tell?  ;-)
[02:18] <ThreeDayMonk> if only
[02:18] <mirak_> threedaymonk, lol
[02:18] <ThreeDayMonk> I went to a conference last week - had to take a P133 :-/
[02:19] <mirak_> phrostbyte, REALLY???
[02:19] <Phr0stByte> yeah
[02:19] <mirak_> threedaymonk, that suchs??
[02:19] <mirak_> phrostbyte, how bad??
[02:19] <Phr0stByte> my Corolla wasnt big before, but now its half the size
[02:19] <ThreeDayMonk> ouch - those are big
[02:19] <mirak_> phrostbyte, ummm, you ok????
[02:20] <Phr0stByte> yeah - by some mirracle
[02:20] <spikeb> thats pretty nice
[02:20] <SmokingFire> Phr0stByte: maybe next car should be a humvee?
[02:20] <mirak_> phrostbyte, corolla 0 navigator 1
[02:20] <dolson> Phr0stByte: how's that Linux game you're working on coming?
[02:20] <dolson> I hear it's gonna be real cool
[02:21] <mirak_> oo...ooo....whats it about???
[02:21] <dolson> oh, I meant /msg
[02:21] <Phr0stByte> dolson: How you know about that?
[02:21] <dolson> sorry...
[02:21] <spikeb> mirak_ thanks for the site.
[02:21] <dolson> Phr0stByte: a friend told me...
[02:21] <mirak_> spikeb, lol...wha site did i send you too???
[02:21] <Phr0stByte> ic
[02:21] <dolson> Phr0stByte: his name is X10 and he's in your computer room
[02:22] <dolson> he tells me some scary things sometimes
[02:22] <Phr0stByte> Its on hold right now - for a short while.
[02:22] <dolson> short?
[02:22] <Phr0stByte> very
[02:22] <dolson> hasn't it been on hold for like a year?
[02:22] <mirak_> spikeb, oh yeah...retrobox.com....you find anything
[02:22] <Phr0stByte> just gotta take care of some real-time life things...
[02:22] <Phr0stByte> Like getting a new car...
[02:22] <dolson> LINUX IS REAL LIFE!
[02:23] <Phr0stByte> heh
[02:23] <mirak_> phrostbyte, haHA
[02:23] <mirak_> HhHhHh....umm, why is lowercase h bigger than upper case H???
[02:24] <dolson> Phr0stByte: it's ok, I haven't been working on my game lately either
[02:24] <mirak_> spikeb, fineanything?
[02:24] <dolson> been trying to start my online store up
[02:24] <spikeb> mirak_ yes, lots of laptops right within my price range.
[02:24] <mirak_> spikeb, :)
[02:25] <spikeb> nice ones too, 400-750mhz 
[02:25] <spikeb> not bad at all
[02:25] <Phr0stByte> dolson: I have finished setting up my dev environment though, so work will continue shortly - say by next weekend
[02:25] <mirak_> spikeb, be sure to read up, they dont even test the batteries....nor do they warantee the batts. at all
[02:26] <spikeb> nowhere else that i can get decent prices on laptops do the batteries either
[02:26] <Phr0stByte> dolson: I just set up all the SDL stuff
[02:26] <mirak_> spikeb, yeah.....but i was just letting you know
[02:26] <spikeb> thanks :)
[02:26] <ThreeDayMonk> " If you order a Laptop with 300MHz CPU, 128MB RAM and a 4GB Hard drive, you can order Windows XP Home for $109.00 Installed!" - for masochists
[02:26] <SmokingFire> Phr0stByte: what do you use for dev?
[02:26] <dolson> Phr0stByte: cool... I don't even know if Anjuta still works on my system or if I have it installed even, lol
[02:27] <Phr0stByte> dolson: Anjuta works fine in Ubuntu
[02:27] <dolson> Phr0stByte: no doubt. I just don't know if I have it configured anymore or not
[02:27] <SmokingFire> I have anjuntu installed, just need python plugin
[02:27] <dolson> it's been a long time
[02:27] <Phr0stByte> dolson: I just now realized who you are - duh....
[02:27] <dolson> Phr0stByte: LOL
[02:28] <dolson> you serious??!?
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> yeah
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> hahaha
[02:28] <dolson> man, that accident really rattled you
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> heh
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> I guess
[02:28] <dolson> you were just talking to me on MSN like 3 seconds before I came back from afk
[02:28] <mirak_> phrostbyte, anything happen to the navigator
[02:29] <spikeb> lol
[02:29] <Phr0stByte> mirik_ the front bumper was dinged a little....
[02:29] <SmokingFire> What about me, we went to school together!
[02:29] <spikeb> do the kernel source packages have the .config used by the ubuntu kernels?
[02:29] <dolson> Phr0stByte: so when you asked me how I knew about your game that you're making, you were *serious* ??? that's the funniest thing ever
[02:29] <mirak_> phrostbyte, i figured that....nothing a car wash wont fix
[02:30] <mirak_> lol
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> SmokingFire: we whent to school together?
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> SmokingFire: UCLA?
[02:31] <SmokingFire> Yeah know, we met. I was at the toilet you entered and looked at me.
[02:31] <jdub> spikeb: the kernel binary packages have the .config :)
[02:31] <mirak_> smokingfire, WTF
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> SmokingFire: I musta been freaked out by the things you were puttin up your @ss
[02:31] <SmokingFire> No, I got my uni degree on the net. I got this mail about buying your degree
[02:31] <andril> hello all
[02:32] <daniels> guys ...
[02:32] <andril> yes sir
[02:32] <dragon546> hi
[02:32] <mirak_> any good channels for a newb to hang out in to further his knowledge of linux???
[02:32] <crimsun> mirak_: #linpeople, #linuxhelp
[02:32] <SmokingFire> So now I'm Phd in physics math and many other subs
[02:32] <crimsun> mirak_: and there are the links from ubuntu's web page
[02:33] <mirak_> ctimsun, thnx...you are always such a help
[02:33] <crimsun> mirak_: you'll find www.tldp.org helpful
[02:33] <dragon546> just installed ubuntu and I downloaded some artwork but when I goto computer desktop preferences I cannot find the logon manager
[02:33] <spikeb> hmmm
[02:33] <dragon546> running warty
[02:33] <spikeb> im still debating on whether to use ubuntu or sarge, myself.
[02:34] <mirak_> dragon546, its under system config
[02:34] <dragon546> ok
[02:34] <crimsun> spikeb: the selling point for me would be security updates for ubuntu.
[02:34] <andril> hey guys - I have a quick question "how can I access the root account?
[02:34] <SmokingFire> andril: faq
[02:34] <jdub> andril: see the faq on the website :)
[02:34] <Phr0stByte> dragon546: Its in Computer > Sys. Config.
[02:34] <crimsun> spikeb: not to mention that as a desktop platform, ubuntu is arguably easier to configure
[02:34] <andril> BTW - I am working on a BlueCurve theme for Ubuntu
[02:34] <dragon546> cool thanks
[02:34] <ThreeDayMonk> sudo su in a console
[02:35] <dragon546> I got it  :D
[02:35] <SmokingFire> just needs a graphical daemons manager
[02:35] <tvon> sudo -s
[02:35] <spikeb> hmm
[02:35] <andril> thanks
[02:35] <mirak_> dragon546, Sweet!!
[02:35] <spikeb> crimsun i'm fine in either, so i'm just pondering
[02:35] <crimsun> spikeb: sure thing.
[02:35] <spikeb> there's a bluecurve theme in universe - wonderland
[02:35] <andril> really?
[02:35] <spikeb> yup.
[02:36] <andril> wow do you have a link?
[02:36] <ThreeDayMonk> hey, what happened to vi on my system?
[02:36] <Phr0stByte> dolson: You solved your pixel movement prob, I hear.
[02:36] <dolson> Phr0stByte: lol, yes.
[02:36] <dolson> rudimentary
[02:36] <spikeb> im trying to find one
[02:36] <crimsun> ThreeDayMonk: `which vi`
[02:36] <andril> I am talking GTK,Metacity, & Icons - if it's out there ... then I am too late
[02:36] <ThreeDayMonk> crimsun: that's the point!
[02:37] <ThreeDayMonk> it's gone...
[02:37] <spikeb> here's the URL to the package about page - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gtk2-engines-wonderland
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> dolson: GetBlitTicks?
[02:37] <dolson> what's that?
[02:38] <spikeb> andril that is only the gtk2 theme though. the icon theme and gtk1 theme arent packaged yet
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> dolson: Maybe thats not it exactly.... some SDL timing mech
[02:38] <dolson> nope
[02:38] <ThreeDayMonk> huh... broken symlink
[02:38] <dolson> I had to google that formula for drawing a line between two points, then I figured it out
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> dolson: So you found the formula?
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> cool
[02:39] <andril> spikeb: ahhh good one - how can I open *.deb files
[02:39] <dolson> gdeb
[02:39] <ygnome> andreu: alien
[02:40] <spikeb> alien is for converting packages.
[02:40] <jdub> andril: dpkg-deb
[02:40] <Skif> ar x :)
[02:40] <andril> thanks
[02:40] <andril> kinda new to Linux but familiar with X11
[02:41] <ygnome> spikeb: sure, you can make a tar.gz out of it, and untar it from there.
[02:41] <theantix> anyone have a suggestion for a good simple multiplayer game for linux?  Gnocatan seems to be very buggy, looking for other options.
[02:41] <spikeb> heh
[02:42] <theantix> preferrably something in Ubuntu main or universe
[02:42] <andril> THANKS SPIKEB,YGNOME
[02:42] <dragon546> is there a package for gyach-e with pyvoice on ubuntu or debian
[02:42] <dolson> theantix: freeciv
[02:42] <ygnome> theantix: xpilot
[02:43] <theantix> cool, thanks :-)
[02:43] <spikeb> i suppose it comes down to security updates, or more packages.
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> dolson: You on Ubuntu now?
[02:46] <dolson> no
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> dolson: Ah - its SDLGetTicks
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> dolson: (closer anyway)
[02:50] <Nonphasis> x kbbuib
[02:50] <dragon546> brb
[02:51] <mirak_> good media player that will play divx...avi...wmv....most filetypes...for ubuntu of course
[02:51] <thursday> how to i stop ubuntu from changing my hardware clock
[02:51] <mirak_> ?????
[02:51] <spikeb> mirak_ totem-xine
[02:52] <spikeb> it's in the universe repository though.
[02:52] <mirak_> spikeb, that is fine...i have it enabled
[02:52] <spikeb> cool
[02:52] <spikeb> after you install totem-xine, download the win3
[02:52] <spikeb> er
[02:52] <Phr0stByte> dolson: getTicks
[02:52] <Phr0stByte> 	();
[02:52] <Phr0stByte> 
[02:52] <Phr0stByte>     * return number of ticks (1000 per sec) since initialization of the SDL library
[02:52] <Despair> or just go with xine-ui, it's a bit more mature (but metacity doesn't seem to like it's menus)
[02:52] <crimsun> thursday: i believe that's answered in the faq
[02:53] <spikeb> either way is fine
[02:53] <crimsun> thursday: question #18 at the bottom of this page: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[02:53] <Phr0stByte> mirak_: MPlayer all the way
[02:53] <spikeb> dont forget to get teh win32codecs too
[02:53] <mirak_> spikeb, should i be wearry of the things in the universe, or are they just as good as things on the reg??
[02:53] <spikeb> mirak_ be careful.
[02:54] <mirak_> spikeb, why is that????.......dependancies?
[02:54] <crimsun> with that said, stuff in universe is generally quite high-quality
[02:54] <thursday> crimsun, thank you
[02:54] <spikeb> mirak_ universe isn't very well tested, so stuff could be borken.
[02:54] <crimsun> it's just that the ubuntu devs don't have enough time to check each and every package in universe
[02:54] <mirak_> spikeb, crimsun, ahh ok
[02:55] <mirak_> is universe an ubuntu thing....or is it more of a debian thing??
[02:56] <crimsun> it's a ubuntu term, but it's based on debian packages
[02:56] <crimsun> it's like a subset of debian sid's pool
[02:56] <spikeb> isn't it a snapshot of debian unstable from the same time the rest of the system was forked?
[02:56] <mirak_> crimsun, i know that it is debian, but is it an ubuntu server..or debian server
[02:57] <crimsun> mirak_: the packages are on ubuntu servers.
[02:57] <mirak_> crimsun, thank you
[02:57] <baHam> u b u n t u p w n s
[02:57] <mirak_> crimsun, just not fully tested by ubuntu yet....correct?
[02:58] <sertmann> ehm, no loop device in dev for mounting iso's, how do i deal with that?
[02:58] <rublind> Are there any ubuntu dev's in here? (right now)
[02:58] <mirak_> crimsun, is that why it is turned off by default, to keep the noobs away??
[02:58] <aitrus> sertmann: modprobe loop
[02:58] <aitrus> sertmann: sudo modprobe loop
[02:58] <crimsun> mirak_: essentially. There are far too many packages in universe to test them all in time for a release.
[02:58] <crimsun> rublind: yes.
[02:58] <sertmann> he aitrus, not that new to linux :)
[02:58] <rublind> Who?
[02:59] <mirak_> crimsun, i see
[02:59] <crimsun> rublind: the ubuntu devs are in this channel and in #ubuntu-devel
[02:59] <sertmann> aitrus: worked, cheers mate
[02:59] <rublind> Thanks.
[02:59] <SmokingFire> rublind: you seem to have a lot of issues
[03:00] <rublind> Noodles, just the same one. ^_^
[03:00] <rublind> Nope*
[03:00] <SmokingFire> just wondering if you not trying to run ubuntu on you own home baked motherboard and cpu
[03:00] <rublind> SmokingFire: I really want my sound card to work.
[03:00] <rublind> No. :P
[03:01] <SmokingFire> rublind: sound is so overated, think of the deaf.
[03:01] <crimsun> which sound card?
[03:01] <mirak_> rublind, an external soundcard???....pci soundcard??
[03:01] <rublind> Yeah.
[03:01] <rublind> PCI
[03:01] <crimsun> and if it's general, we'll help you in #alsa
[03:01] <rublind> Creative Labs Audigy
[03:01] <mirak_> rublind, maybe try on a gnome channel
[03:01] <rublind> Uh, where should I go? Someone tell me.
[03:01] <mirak_> rublind, maybe try on a gnome channel
[03:01] <rublind> #gnome ?
[03:01] <SmokingFire> write a letter to your congress men,
[03:01] <mirak_> oh.....not sure....try it
[03:02] <Despair> rublind: #alsa is probably good, for sound setup stuff.
[03:02] <rublind> Okay.
[03:02] <baHam> yo man
[03:02] <baHam> :>
[03:02] <mirak_> who?
[03:02] <SmokingFire> yo woman
[03:02] <baHam> yo trans
[03:02] <baHam> :)
[03:02] <baHam> asdasd
[03:02] <mirak_> 00000000000000
[03:02] <baHam> any italians in here?
[03:02] <mirak_> not I
[03:02] <SmokingFire> yo hermaphrodite 
[03:02] <baHam> where are you from mirak_  ?
[03:03] <baHam> SmokingFire, that'd be better :)
[03:03] <mirak_> baham, usa....why??
[03:03] <baHam> mirak_, just for conversation
[03:03] <SmokingFire> I eat pizzas does that count
[03:03] <SmokingFire> mama mia
[03:03] <mirak_> baham, ahh....ok........just south of detroit, Michigan..........about 10 mins
[03:03] <mkyc-ubuntu> question : when trying to setup servers for ntp i get a message that NTP support is not running.  Any ideas ?
[03:04] <SmokingFire> mkyc-ubuntu: install the ntp-simple package from synaptic
[03:04] <mkyc-ubuntu> ta SmokingFire
[03:05] <Despair> Whee, transplanted the sawfish menu stuff from debian and it just works.
[03:06] <SmokingFire> I never used debian but I hear alot of it on ubuntu irc and mail list, wonder how different it is.
[03:06] <spikeb> is mplayer in the ubuntu repos?
[03:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> anyone else get errors for restricted in apt ?
[03:06] <SmokingFire> mkyc-ubuntu: could not stat errors?
[03:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> failed to fetch errors
[03:07] <mirak_> spikeb, no
[03:07] <andril_> does any one have a C-Media audio card?
[03:07] <spikeb> also
[03:07] <SmokingFire> mkyc-ubuntu: I haven't 
[03:07] <spikeb> what is the difference between multiverse and universe?
[03:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> like this : Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1
[03:07] <SmokingFire> multiverse is anything even non free
[03:08] <Despair> mplayer is in *verse somewhere
[03:08] <crimsun> mkyc-ubuntu: it happens often and seems to be hit-n-miss
[03:08] <SmokingFire> universe is Open source licesense apps only i think
[03:08] <ThreeDayMonk> I run a QT app in Ubuntu under Gnome; it looks ugly.  I have KDE installed; how can a theme be applied to the QT app?
[03:08] <crimsun> mkyc-ubuntu: the exact issue hasn't been found yet.
[03:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> so nothing to worry about crimsun ?
[03:08] <spikeb> mplayer is in multiverse
[03:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> everything seems to upgrade and work normally for me
[03:08] <crimsun> mkyc-ubuntu: no, it's not critical
[03:08] <ThreeDayMonk> I tried running kde-config, but nothing happened
[03:09] <dragon546> hi does anyone run skype on here
[03:09] <ThreeDayMonk> dragon546: yes
[03:10] <ThreeDayMonk> just trying to make it look nicer
[03:10] <dragon546> I downloaded it and tarred it
[03:10] <ThreeDayMonk> which one?
[03:10] <dragon546> but I cannot get it to start
[03:10] <stianh> ./skype
[03:10] <dragon546> ah
[03:10] <stianh> in the untarred dir
[03:11] <ThreeDayMonk> and if you install kde, it will absorb the icon into the tray
[03:11] <ThreeDayMonk> otherwise, it floats in a one-icon window
[03:11] <stianh> works in gnome aswell
[03:11] <dragon546> thanks
[03:11] <stianh> np
[03:12] <dragon546> just need to find a yahoo voice chat client under linux
[03:13] <stianh> dragon546 -> http://www.phonegaim<.com/
[03:14] <stianh> haven't tried it though
[03:14] <dragon546> hey stianh you used gyach-e with py!voice
[03:15] <stianh> nope
[03:16] <attitude> has there been a change to the univirse sources?
[03:19] <mirak_> is skype hard to configure????
[03:19] <mirak_> do i want dynamic or static binary???
[03:19] <ThreeDayMonk> mirak_: I got dynamic
[03:19] <ThreeDayMonk> works fine here
[03:20] <stianh> there is really no configuration, you just set up an account and off you go
[03:20] <chowells> you need static if you don't already have Qt installed
[03:20] <ThreeDayMonk> so install QT 
[03:21] <ThreeDayMonk> if you want skype not to look atrocious, you have to install KDE and run kcontrol to set up themes, colours, fonts, etc.
[03:21] <mirak_> threedaymonk, id rather stay away from KDE. thnx though
[03:22] <ThreeDayMonk> hehe - wait till you see skype in raw QT :-)
[03:22] <crimsun> i like skype
[03:22] <stianh> skype nice
[03:22] <crimsun> but yeah, that bare interface is horrid
[03:22] <crimsun> :)
[03:22] <ushooz> skype use QT
[03:22] <dragon546> hmmm gyach-e requires me to be root
[03:22] <ThreeDayMonk> all I need to do now is to get my headset working...
[03:22] <dragon546> but thats disabled right
[03:22] <crimsun> i shouldn't complain too much; i still use alsaplayer with its bare gtk1 interface :)
[03:22] <ThreeDayMonk> ick
[03:23] <chowells> erm, KDE =! Qt
[03:23] <mirak_> dragon546, sudo to root
[03:23] <bur[n] er> speaking of kde, when is 3.3 going to be in universe?  next 6 month release?
[03:24] <jdub> bur[n] er: yes
[03:24] <bur[n] er> or is universe updated more frequently than each release
[03:24] <ThreeDayMonk> chowells: no, but it comes with all the tools to make QT nice
[03:24] <jdub> no
[03:24] <bur[n] er> not what i wanted to hear, but thanks jdub ;)
[03:24] <bur[n] er> it's tough to upgrade debian kde pakcages and ubuntu gnome packages seperately
[03:24] <chowells> ThreeDayMonk: I assume you're referring to loading KDE styles in Qt apps
[03:25] <ThreeDayMonk> yes
[03:25] <mirak_> is it possible to apt-get from another distro's server, assuming they use apt-get???
[03:25] <dragon546> hi would this program work ubuntu http://phpaint.sourceforge.net/pyvoicechat/install.php
[03:25] <ThreeDayMonk> if there's another way, I'm interested to hear it, of course!
[03:25] <bur[n] er> mirak_: sure
[03:25] <jdub> mirak_: strongly discouraged
[03:25] <mirak_> oh...i was just curiouse on how things work
[03:25] <bur[n] er> oops... maybe i should be quiet ;)
[03:25] <mirak_> not gonna do it
[03:26] <jdub> it's totally doable, but not healthy :)
[03:26] <carney1979>  /msg nickserv link carney1979 carney1979
[03:26] <mirak_> i dont plan on it...............would just like to know, maybe when i know a bit more ill try it.....but no time soon
[03:26] <overflow> hi everyone
[03:26] <mirak_> hi hi
[03:26] <chowells> ThreeDayMonk: heh. well a kstyle is just a .so so I guess you just need that .so and to run qtconfig to change the style, but I don't know :)
[03:27] <mirak_> ubuntu suppots .rpm's????
[03:27] <jdub> not really
[03:27] <mirak_> supports?
[03:27] <jdub> alien is included for LSB rpms
[03:27] <mirak_> hmmm
[03:27] <mirak_> lsb?
[03:28] <jdub> but installing RPMs from other distros is worse than .debs from other distros
[03:28] <jdub> linux standard base
[03:28] <mirak_> so if i have a choice betewwen rpm and tar.gz take the tar???
[03:28] <chowells> tar.gz will probably be source code that you need to compile
[03:29] <mirak_> unless it is a ubuntu rpm?
[03:29] <dragon546> hmmm Sound device is not defined when I start skype
[03:29] <overflow> i got some prob with my ubunto i've instaled know but i dont know what the password of the su 
[03:29] <overflow> can anyone help me ?
[03:29] <baHam> just put in your normal user password
[03:29] <mirak_> overflow, its sudo, and its the same pass as your user name
[03:29] <baHam> :)
[03:29] <SmokingFire> yep, we can
[03:30] <baHam> I did another thing
[03:30] <overflow> what thing ?
[03:30] <SmokingFire> However its a dollar a question
[03:30] <baHam> I opened a root terminal 
[03:30] <baHam> and did
[03:30] <baHam> passwd
[03:30] <baHam> set a password
[03:30] <baHam> so if I do su
[03:30] <baHam> i just put the pass
[03:30] <SmokingFire> why not sudo -s?
[03:30] <baHam> and go
[03:30] <Tomcat_> lol
[03:30] <baHam> :>
[03:31] <overflow> but i cant opne a root terminal because im in text mode 
[03:31] <overflow> open*
[03:31] <mirak_> why is that?
[03:31] <SmokingFire> on other lin distros mine would be su --
[03:31] <SmokingFire> overflow: just do sudo -s
[03:31] <overflow> mirak_:  because of the grafic card
[03:31] <mirak_> overflow, bummer
[03:31] <SmokingFire> sudu -s will be like root
[03:32] <overflow> SmokingFire:  doesn't exist some other thing ?
[03:32] <overflow> only sudo ?
[03:32] <mirak_> ubuntu uses sudo
[03:32] <SmokingFire> overflow: "sudo -s" will be enough really
[03:32] <mirak_> i was lookinf for su also
[03:33] <SmokingFire> mirak_: open a console and type "sudo -s"
[03:33] <mirak_> smokingfire, how would i un-sudo -s   just close the terminal??
[03:33] <toyowheelin> I couldnt handle not having a root account so I just enabled the root account
[03:33] <chowells> exit or ctrl+d
[03:34] <SmokingFire> I don't know yet how to log off a root
[03:34] <spikeb> if you type exit it gets rid of the root shell
[03:34] <ushooz> mirak_, type exit
[03:34] <mirak_> you know that you can open a root terminal
[03:34] <mirak_> so you dont sudo in
[03:34] <mirak_> just eveter you pass
[03:34] <mirak_> enter*
[03:35] <toyowheelin> I do it normal
[03:35] <toyowheelin> su
[03:35] <toyowheelin> pass
[03:35] <SmokingFire> I like sudo, root smells
[03:35] <mirak_> toyowheelin, but you activated the root account
[03:35] <toyowheelin> hehe yeah
[03:35] <spikeb> i love sudo
[03:35] <mirak_> smokingfire, im diggin; the suo as well
[03:35] <SmokingFire> sudo is funny and intelligent, root just does what people say.
[03:35] <toyowheelin> thats why I like root
[03:36] <chowells> what the hell is the point in having a root account? surely you don't log in as root to read e-mail, and even 'sudo su' gives you the same effect as having logged in as root, but with less hassle
[03:36] <mirak_> well, im out.....talk to you all later
[03:36] <SmokingFire> c u
[03:36] <mirak_> chowells, i see your point, and now i am out
[03:36] <mirak_> lates
[03:36] <jdub> and it's a lot closer to how the linux security system will work in future
[03:37] <jdub> (via selinux and so on)
[03:37] <toyowheelin> chowells, because I didnt want to have the same shitty password that I made for my "normal" user to be able to break stuff
[03:38] <toyowheelin> I have a complex root password and a not so complex user pass
[03:38] <SmokingFire> however gnome needs the dialog system of apple. 
[03:38] <spikeb> gnome = rock.
[03:38] <spikeb> heh
[03:39] <toyowheelin> <---KDE
[03:39] <overflow> hey thanks people i've used sudo and then configured the passwd 
[03:39] <overflow> thanks 
[03:39] <overflow> =)
[03:39] <SmokingFire> I just had that problem, running some task on the background, popped up an error, however I was browsing/surfing and clicking and accidentally clicked on that dialog ok, close or cancel button, couldn't see to fast.
[03:39] <jdub> overflow: worth trying just sudo for a while
[03:40] <overflow> lol
[03:40] <overflow> ok
[03:40] <toyowheelin> lol overflow sudo su
[03:40] <toyowheelin> passwd
[03:40] <toyowheelin> lol
[03:40] <toyowheelin> nice
[03:40] <overflow> ubunto rox
[03:40] <overflow> =D
[03:40] <overflow> =p
[03:40] <SmokingFire> on apple, so I read, error messages stay on the background <--- is much better.
[03:41] <spikeb> <--------- gnome all the way
[03:41] <spikeb> my preferred desktop. even over windows or osx
[03:41] <SmokingFire> gnome but learning from others is still ok
[03:41] <toyowheelin> I want KDE 3.3
[03:43] <overflow> one more thing im know in text mode because i cant start the X
[03:43] <jdub> Riddell: around?
[03:43] <SmokingFire> Whats the point of displaying an error in a system were the user will be certainly multitasking and has a high change of clicking on that message without knowing it or understanding (thinking its related to current application)
[03:43] <overflow> i cant iniciate the GDM
[03:43] <overflow> grafical problem 
[03:44] <crimsun> overflow: what graphics card are you using?
[03:44] <overflow> ati
[03:44] <overflow> 9200
[03:44] <SmokingFire> But then its also a programmers fault. I know on windows you have several kinds of dialog windows. Two being system-modal and application modal. System is like what happened to me a dialog of a totally unrelated program popping up in firefox. 
[03:45] <crimsun> overflow: radeon 9200, i presume?
[03:45] <SmokingFire> application-modal just stops any input of that application but doesn't bother the other applications.
[03:45] <spikeb> i have a radeon 9200, works fine out of the box
[03:45] <overflow> yeah crimsun 
[03:46] <crimsun> overflow: do you plan to do any 3d work?
[03:46] <crimsun> spikeb: would you walk overflow through it please?
[03:46] <spikeb> dri has hw accell support for the 9200
[03:46] <toyowheelin> I have a 9800 but its worthless under linux :|
[03:46] <spikeb> crimsun mine worked out of the box - no configuring neccessary
[03:46] <SmokingFire> Any thought from ubuntu on "improving" gnome?
[03:46] <toyowheelin> >:|
[03:46] <spikeb> toyowheelin you can install ATI drivers for that
[03:47] <toyowheelin> no 3d acceleration
[03:47] <overflow> crimsun:  i want to enter to gnome 
[03:47] <spikeb> toyowheelin ATI's proprietary drivers have full 3d support
[03:47] <jdub> SmokingFire: there is work already going on upstream to improve that
[03:47] <SmokingFire> For example nautilus should have a firefox like toolbar configuration option.
[03:47] <toyowheelin> not for 64bit
[03:47] <spikeb> aHH
[03:47] <spikeb> yeah
[03:47] <spikeb> not for 64bit.
[03:47] <spikeb> SmokingFire nautilus should look more like OSX's finder, and less like netscape 4.7
[03:48] <spikeb> in browser mode.
[03:49] <SmokingFire> in browser mode, I want to add as many toolbar buttons as I freaking like. Browser mode should be the pseudonym for advanced mode.
[03:49] <spikeb> heh
[03:49] <spikeb> i would settle for no locationbar (it's not needed) and smaller/better buttons :)
[03:49] <SmokingFire> eventually with extensions if it looks like konqueror its my problem not gnome's
[03:50] <spikeb> use firefox to browse your filesystem ;)
[03:51] <overflow> how can i tell to X to use a ati driver ?
[03:51] <overflow> maybe that works to iniciate X
[03:51] <overflow> like "ati"
[03:51] <overflow> how can i do it ?
[03:51] <SmokingFire> Its just that sometimes I need an advanced file manager and don't want a separate tool that only runs once a half year.
[03:51] <spikeb> yeah
[03:52] <spikeb> SmokingFire people like you and i seem to be kind of rare though, so we'd have to learn to program before nautilus would get any of these features
[03:52] <SmokingFire> looks like it spikeb
[03:53] <SmokingFire> If I could I would do it right now.
[03:53] <spikeb> me too :)
[03:54] <spikeb> any of you who are actually ON an ubuntu box know which repo gstreamer-ffmpeg is in?
[03:54] <SmokingFire> Should be like firefox, basis is ok but easy to install and configure extensions that can be disabled at any time.
[03:54] <spikeb> i agree
[03:54] <toyowheelin> overflow, what are you tring to do
[03:54] <overflow> to start my X
[03:54] <xzgv> is it feasible to install ubuntu, uninstall gnome2.8 and just use icewm? using a PII here.
[03:54] <spikeb> SmokingFire in fact, spatial mode should be like that too. nautilus itself needs a concept of extensions
[03:55] <toyowheelin> start x
[03:55] <toyowheelin> startx
[03:55] <jdub> spikeb: not in the repo
[03:55] <toyowheelin> ???
[03:55] <toyowheelin> just a thought
[03:55] <spikeb> bleh
[03:55] <toyowheelin> lol
[03:56] <SmokingFire> spikeb: Well I don't want the confuse the one mouse button enough, two mouse buttons makes me go into coma, class of users is
[03:56] <Despair> xzgv: if you really want to, sure.
[03:56] <spikeb> SmokingFire lol
[03:56] <overflow> toyowheelin:  he wont startx
[03:56] <overflow> give a fatal erro 
[03:56] <overflow> error*
[03:57] <xzgv> Despair: yup, gnome is too heavy for my processor (266)
[03:57] <SmokingFire> So spatial is like easy mode, borwser mode, like the universe repository
[03:57] <Despair> xzgv: I've used gnome on a 166MHz 6x86MX. It's not that heavy. :)
[03:57] <toyowheelin> startgnome
[03:57] <toyowheelin> ???
[03:58] <spikeb> in fact, im going to futz around, once i decide what im installing, and see if i can configure browser mode to use smaller buttons and no locationbar
[03:58] <Despair> (now, mem or disk footprint may be more of an issue, depending on your work habits)
[03:58] <SmokingFire> spikeb: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main seems to have stuff, that makes ubuntu dev's frown.
[03:58] <toyowheelin> overflow, you must be root to startx I think
[03:58] <xzgv> Despair: i installed gnome2.6 and changed the wm within gnome from metacity to fluxbox and was still dragging ass
[03:58] <spikeb> SmokingFire yup
[03:59] <spikeb> SmokingFire what i did on another install is install totem-xine from universe - that worked.
[03:59] <SmokingFire> yup for me too
[03:59] <SmokingFire> but with the win32codecs
[03:59] <spikeb> aye
[04:00] <dragon546> hi again
[04:00] <SmokingFire> Don't understand why apple and real don't like linux people using their (binary) codecs
[04:00] <spikeb> ideally, i'd like to get the win32codecs working with gstreamer
[04:00] <spikeb> doesnt appear to be a way to do so though
[04:00] <dolson> I hate Excel
[04:00] <SmokingFire> But I love Excell
[04:00] <spikeb> i like openoffice.org :)
[04:00] <jdub> spikeb: use totem-xine
[04:01] <spikeb> jdub that's the plan
[04:01] <dragon546> anyone had the sound device not defined when they start skype
[04:01] <SmokingFire> jdub: we know but we want w32codecs to work with gstreamer
[04:01] <spikeb> i dont like using things from universe though
[04:01] <dolson> I hate all spreadsheets
[04:01] <dolson> they must die
[04:02] <dolson> because I can't make them do what I want
[04:02] <spikeb> i find them handy
[04:02] <spikeb> heh
[04:02] <dolson> because I guess I'm too advanced for them
[04:02] <overflow> toyowheelin:  nop i can startx has normal user
[04:02] <SmokingFire> Yeah and presentation programs!! and frontpage like apps
[04:02] <overflow> but i got a grafical prob 
[04:02] <dolson> I'm trying to do this... I have a workbook with 3 sheets in it. on sheet1, I have data in rows 5:505. I need to copy the data from all of those rows that have the word NULL in columnA to sheet2, and all the data that has something other than NULL or nothing in columnA to sheet3... is this even posible in Excel/Calc?
[04:03] <spikeb> that explains why i like spreadsheets - that went right over my head
[04:03] <SmokingFire> dolson: sounds like vba question to me
[04:03] <dolson> VBA??? hell no man
[04:03] <dolson> VBA is for suckers
[04:03] <SmokingFire> I have done similair but basically copied and pasted code from the net
[04:04] <dolson> will VBA code work in Calc?
[04:04] <SmokingFire> dolson: normally I would try to write the task in pseudo code.
[04:04] <SmokingFire> dolson: thought you were talking about ms excell.
[04:04] <miked593> if i apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade does that bring me from the preview release to the release candidate and will it work for further releases?
[04:05] <toyowheelin> overflow, go edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:05] <spikeb> miked593 yes and yes
[04:05] <miked593> cool
[04:05] <dolson> SmokingFire: I am, but only because I'm at work right now
[04:05] <toyowheelin> overflow, you can set it up how ever you want there
[04:05] <dolson> I don't have Windows or Excel at home
[04:05] <toyowheelin> dolson, get open office
[04:06] <SmokingFire> sO basically 5::505 if NULL then paste sheet 3
[04:06] <overflow> toyowheelin:  im on that file but i dont know whats the part to change to "ati"
[04:06] <overflow> do you know ?
[04:06] <toyowheelin> yeah
[04:06] <toyowheelin> just a sec
[04:06] <dolson> toyowheelin:  I have it but I can't install it here
[04:07] <dolson> SmokingFire: yeah, if the data in any rows from 5 thru 505 in columnA is "NULL" then paste it into sheet2, and if it's not "NULL" or empty, paste into sheet3
[04:07] <toyowheelin> dolson, oh
[04:07] <toyowheelin> overflow, I have mine set to radeon
[04:07] <SmokingFire> so if then else
[04:07] <toyowheelin> Section "Device"
[04:07] <toyowheelin>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9800 Pro (R350 NH)"
[04:07] <toyowheelin>         Driver          "radeon"
[04:07] <toyowheelin>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[04:08] <overflow> yeah yeah its on section device
[04:08] <ushooz> toyowheelin, you need to run flgrxconfig
[04:08] <spikeb> toyowheelin so basically you're stuck with 2d until ATI gets around to updating their driver
[04:08] <spikeb> that sucks
[04:08] <SmokingFire> dolson: should look in vba channel and save time
[04:08] <ushooz> toyowheelin, install the binary kernel modules
[04:08] <dolson> I DON'T USE VBA
[04:08] <toyowheelin> ushooz, I cant
[04:08] <SmokingFire> dolson: why not?
[04:09] <ushooz> toyowheelin, why not?
[04:09] <dolson> I use OpenOffice.org at home
[04:09] <SmokingFire> and?
[04:09] <toyowheelin> amd64 dont like them
[04:09] <ushooz> ah
[04:09] <dolson> and last I heard it didn't support VBA?
[04:09] <spikeb> OO.o has it's own scripting language iirc
[04:09] <ushooz> you are stuck then with use XFree drivers
[04:09] <toyowheelin> yes
[04:09] <SmokingFire> So, you program, that means you only do  C and not Java?
[04:09] <ushooz> enjoy 2D land
[04:09] <ushooz> :)
[04:09] <leonel> mi laptop has  384 mb ram  and  only recognizes   256  same with Ubuntu and Debian SID  with  kernel 2.4 on sid recognizes 384   any ideas  ?
[04:10] <dolson> I program in C/C++ and PHP, mainly. I've dealt a little bit with Java and what does that have to do with a spreadsheet?
[04:10] <miked593> i just rebooted after apt-get dist-upgrade and i saw the nekkid ppl how do i get rid of that im scared
[04:11] <SmokingFire> dolson: Hey, I did once a VBA excell script that checked if the value in a column was deposit or retrieve, if any add it to total income or expenses. And I forgot already how to do it, so no worries about the vba virus.
[04:12] <jimmy_dean> how do you start/stop services (and add them to do so automatically) in ubuntu?
[04:12] <SmokingFire> dolson: meaning just be openminded, your personal feelings about ms products should not influence your productivity.
[04:13] <dolson> SmokingFire: I own an Xbox...
[04:13] <dolson> SmokingFire: I don't hate MS
[04:13] <dolson> SmokingFire: but I can't use VBA in Linux can I??
[04:13] <spikeb> speaking of xbox, fable is ass.
[04:13] <dolson> heh
[04:13] <jdub> dolson: no, not directly
[04:13] <SmokingFire> dolson: I thought it was an one off task
[04:13] <dolson> SmokingFire: no, if it was, I'd do it in Access
[04:13] <jdub> dolson: OOo has an equivalent, but it's not compatible (yet)
[04:14] <Despair> jimmy_dean: `/etc/init.d/foo stop`
[04:14] <dolson> jdub: that's cool, but I just don't know how to actually accomplish what I'm trying to do
[04:14] <Despair> jimmy_dean: I'd suggest using sysv-rc-conf to enable/disable standard ones.
[04:15] <alka_trash> hello ubuntu room
[04:16] <alka_trash> I'm currently using ubuntu and it's pretty good
[04:16] <SmokingFire> dolson: well then just export as cvs and import in perl or php and do your stuff
[04:16] <alka_trash> is there user contrib repository around these parts?
[04:18] <ushooz> alka_trash, I can pm some repos 
[04:18] <dolson> SmokingFire: that's the thing... we're doing this already, but the sheets to import are the ones we're ... ah forget it, I lost interest
[04:18] <alka_trash> ushooz: pm?
[04:18] <ushooz> personal message
[04:18] <alka_trash> really 
[04:18] <dolson> I'm just gonna write a form to add to a SQL table and then they can export it
[04:19] <defendguin> im trying to play an avi file but i get no picture only audio
[04:19] <alka_trash> ushooz: I need a one build for wma but I don't want to isntall the lib to make it ,  my ubuntu build is nice and clean
[04:19] <Lathiat> defendguin: Are you using totem and is the picture blue?
[04:20] <defendguin> WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/x-divx, divxversion=(int)4
[04:20] <alka_trash> defendguin: you need to download the mplayer codecs
[04:20] <defendguin> i am using totem but its an all black screen
[04:20] <Lathiat> defendguin: ah what alka_trash said then
[04:21] <alka_trash> I had to download the codecs and extract them in /usr/lib/win32 ( I think that's it)
[04:21] <ushooz> that is correct alka_trash
[04:21] <defendguin> alka_trash, you can get them via apt?
[04:21] <rublind> Can someone please help me fix my sound?
[04:22] <spikeb> dont you need to be using totem-xine to use the codecs?
[04:22] <defendguin> they have a w32 codec package
[04:22] <alka_trash> spikeb: your right ooops
[04:22] <spikeb> aside from that...
[04:22] <spikeb> heh
[04:23] <rublind> Anyone?
[04:23] <rublind> Gah, okay this isn't worth the hassle, I might as well give up on ubuntu linux.
[04:24] <ushooz> rublind, what is wrong with your sound?
[04:24] <alka_trash> rublind: ?
[04:24] <defendguin> alka_trash, yeah i have all the codecs in /usr/lib/win32
[04:24] <rublind> It isn't exactly working.
[04:24] <ushooz> no sound at all?
[04:24] <rublind> I have a PCI sound card, and I cannot get it to work.
[04:24] <rublind> No sound at all.
[04:24] <baHam> amu italians in HERE?
[04:24] <ushooz> what make of sound card?
[04:24] <rublind> I went into volume control, and unmuted everything
[04:24] <rublind> Creative Labs Audigy
[04:25] <Dougall> evenin all.
[04:25] <alka_trash> defendguin: does it work now
[04:25] <ushooz> that should work. I have one myself
[04:25] <defendguin> no i have always had them there
[04:25] <rublind> Did you do any special configuration?
[04:25] <Despair> ushooz: not if it's the 4th device and everything is trying to use 1st.
[04:25] <rublind> I installed ubuntu yesterday.
[04:25] <alka_trash> how about other video files
[04:25] <rublind> Yeah, it's the fourth device.
[04:25] <rublind> How do I move it to the first.
[04:25] <Despair> it's a hotplug/alsa issue.
[04:25] <alka_trash> defendguin: how about other videos
[04:25] <ushooz> nope, it works fine
[04:25] <rublind> I went there, they weren't being nice.
[04:26] <rublind> (#alsa)
[04:26] <rublind> Maybe you guys know what to do?
[04:26] <defendguin> alka_trash, i trust the avi file
[04:26] <defendguin> i have played other videos though
[04:27] <defendguin> alka_trash, the avi file was of the jon stewart interview on crossfire that was torrented on /.
[04:27] <toyowheelin> bbl
[04:27] <spikeb> bbl, installing ubuntu
[04:27] <rublind> So, have we given up on my issue?
[04:27] <Despair> rublind: sort of. You'll probably need to remove the kernel modules for all sound stuff, then blacklist the kernel modules for your various sound cards, then manually load them in the order you want them to appear. when you figure out the order, you'll need to make them load in a script during bootup in that order.
[04:27] <rublind> Because then I'll go to some other distro.
[04:27] <ushooz> rublind, sounds like Despair says it is a Alsa issue with the slot your soundcard resides in
[04:28] <ushooz> there ya go
[04:28] <Despair> ushooz: not just slot. hotplug can load them in different orders depending on hotplug version and startup timing. it can be very exciting
[04:28] <ushooz> he knows more than me about the issue that is for sure :)
[04:28] <rublind> Yeah.
[04:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hello
[04:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> sound stopped working after dist-upgrade?
[04:31] <Ninjas-Rezatm> anyone have any ideas how
[04:44] <rublind> No dice.
[04:45] <rublind> I'll find you tomorrow Despair, thanks again for your help.
[04:45] <Despair> rublind: any change in where it's putting things?
[04:45] <rublind> No, same order (I think)
[04:45] <rublind> All I know is that my soundcard is last.
[04:45] <Despair> hmm, would have expected that to at least bump it up to third. bleah.
[04:46] <rublind> Guess not.
[04:48] <Ninjas-Rezatm> can anyone tell me a few things to check when my sound stops working
[04:48] <Ninjas-Rezatm> besides the speaker plug and volume
[04:49] <Despair> if you have multiple sound devices, make sure they didn't swap position.
[04:49] <Despair> hotplug can be fun with that.
[04:49] <mirak_> go to computer-system config-device manager...check the device
[04:50] <rublind> Hah, I'm not the only one with this problem.
[04:50] <mirak_> rublind, STILL!!??!!
[04:50] <rublind> Yes, still.
[04:51] <mirak_> no sound at all, or just not working like you want?
[04:51] <rublind> No sound at all.
[04:51] <Despair> mirak_: trying to output sound on a card that isn't connected to anything, I'm betting.
[04:52] <socomm> rublind: what's the problem?
[04:52] <Despair> intel8x0 may be fine under windows, but they rather suck in linux, particularly with Id games.
[04:52] <mirak_> well dont tell me, im not having the problem
[04:52] <rublind> socom, Despair know's better than I do.
[04:52] <socomm> Despair: no audio device?
[04:52] <Despair> socomm: hotplug fun, basically. it's loading sn_intel8x0 first, when it should load snd_emu10k1 first.
[04:53] <Despair> +d
[04:53] <socomm> Despair: why not compile them into the kernel?
[04:53] <ob> okay.
[04:53] <ushooz> Despair, tell me about it :)
[04:53] <socomm> Despair: or rmmod and insmod by hand.
[04:53] <ushooz> intel8x0 stinks in linux 
[04:53] <ob> allow me to extoll on the virtues of abiword, and the pagan evil that is OOo.
[04:54] <Despair> socomm: because then you have zero control over load order.
[04:54] <socomm> abiword is made by some unsavorie characters.
[04:54] <ob> just my kind of guys.
[04:54] <ushooz> Real Player/ Helix player is not usable for me due to the intel sound card
[04:55] <socomm> ushooz: you could always buy a new audio card.
[04:55] <Lathiat> Despair: if you add the module to /etc/modules itl get loaded before hotplug stuff
[04:55] <Despair> socomm: funny thing, gnome-settings-daemon was preventing me from unloading snd_intel8x0.
[04:55] <ushooz> this is a laptop
[04:55] <Despair> Lathiat: /etc/hotplug/blacklist is nice for that, too.
[04:55] <ob> i thought we established a long time ago that buying hardware to support the OS (read: Mac) was a niche market at best.
[04:55] <ob> welcome to 1991.
[04:56] <socomm> ob: you should try to get good hardware from the get go.
[04:56] <Lathiat> Despair: indeed
[04:56] <ushooz> my laptop is well supported overall
[04:56] <rublind> Maybe do both?
[04:56] <ushooz> soundcard is weakest link
[04:56] <ob> and when 90% of the country (i just pulled that number out of my ass) gets their PC from an OEM, then what?
[04:56] <ushooz> and soundcard works for the most part
[04:56] <rublind> I blacklisted the intel thing, but that didn't work, so maybe add the one I need to modules?
[04:56] <ob> lecture them about the joys of building your own system?
[04:56] <socomm> ob: no lecture them about being smart consumers.
[04:57] <ob> that's ludicrous.
[04:57] <mjg59> Uh. What are you people actually trying to achieve?
[04:57] <socomm> ob: you should do some homework when buying a big ticket item anyway.
[04:57] <ob> mjg59: i'm drunk and fiesty.
[04:57] <ushooz> laugh
[04:57] <rublind> mjg59 a working sound card.
[04:57] <mjg59> ob: I'm drunker and more arrogant
[04:57] <socomm> mjg59: trying to get an audio card going.
[04:57] <ob> mjg59: _|_
[04:58] <rublind> Maybe I should just have linux shock me electrically when it needs my attention, at least that'd work. >_<
[04:58] <mjg59> There is no way to define a correct order for loading soundcards without user input
[04:58] <mjg59> hotplug will /tend/ to load drivers for on-board hardware before stuff in PCI slots, but this is not always true
[04:58] <mjg59> Arguably hotplug's behaviour here is less than ideal, but still
[04:58] <Lathiat> It probably tends to do that because onboard hardware tends to be first up on the pci bus list
[04:58] <mjg59> Lathiat: Exactly
[04:59] <ob> hotplug is the eternal nemesis of onboard video w/ a PCI card in the slot.
[04:59] <mjg59> ob: Well, that too
[04:59] <Despair> mjg59: if it could be made to load offboard first, that'd probably do what new users expect more of the time. But it'd get even weirder in combo with hotplugging sound devices.
[04:59] <socomm> Don't you love it when a neighbor aligns his/her stereo right next to your bedroom.
[04:59] <rublind> Do we have any suggestions for me yet?
[05:00] <ob> rublind: problem?
[05:00] <Despair> rublind: add `snd_emu10k1` to /etc/modules
[05:00] <rublind> It's what everyone is discussing.
[05:00] <rublind> Okay.
[05:00] <mjg59> Despair: Yeah. What you really want is for everything to go through esd and for there to be an easy way to configure which interface esd uses
[05:00] <mjg59> (This is technically not what you want because you never want to use esd ever, but the alternatives are even worse so you're stuck with it)
[05:00] <Despair> mjg59: no, what I want is for esound to have never have existed.
[05:00] <ushooz> mjg59, then you kick companies such as Real/Helix who unload ESD libs and use OSS in their latest players
[05:00] <ob> i'm too lazy to hack XOrg into ubuntu, so i can't be sure, but does it fix the choppy window resize crap?
[05:01] <jdub> esound is necessary
[05:01] <mjg59> ushooz: Yeah, they're up against the wall first
[05:01] <Despair> mjg59: jackd and dmix are better.
[05:01] <ob> also: the annoying tendency of gnome to load menus before the icons load.
[05:01] <jdub> polypaudio will replace it
[05:01] <rublind> Okay, should I reboot now?
[05:01] <mjg59> Despair: And overengineered
[05:01] <mjg59> esd is the least worst solution
[05:01] <socomm> ob: X.org is XFree86 4.3.0
[05:01] <mjg59> They're all shit
[05:01] <mjg59> All of them
[05:01] <mjg59> socomm: Uh, dude, no
[05:01] <jdub> mjg59: 'cept for polypaudio :)
[05:01] <ob> socomm: liar.
[05:01] <rublind> Where in /etc/modules should I put snd_em10k1 ? Top or bottom?
[05:01] <mjg59> socomm: X.org is XFree86 4.4.0rc2+everythingusefuladdedsince+more
[05:01] <dfaecling> Can anyone help me? I have problems with my keyboard - it just stops working in terminal windows often.
[05:01] <baHam> hey I can hear only 1 program that is using sound ..if i use xmms i cant hear ubuntu sounds.. what to do ?
[05:02] <Despair> mjg59: s/least// :)
[05:02] <mjg59> rublind: Order is broadly irrelevent
[05:02] <rublind> Okay.
[05:02] <rublind> Should I reboot now?
[05:02] <ob> haha.
[05:02] <mjg59> baHam: Configure everything to use esound - if you go into xmms, go to preferences and choose the esound or esd output plugin, things should be better
[05:02] <jdub> baHam: configure xmms to use esd output
[05:02] <Despair> rublind: just `rmmod snd_intel8x0;rmmod snd_emu10k1`
[05:03] <ob> wait ubuntu doesn't come with xmms.
[05:03] <rublind> Okay.
[05:03] <ob> why are people going out of their way to install it?  it's crap.
[05:03] <socomm> Despair: `rmmod snd_intel8x0 && rmmod snd_emu10k1' would be better.
[05:03] <rublind> ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use
[05:03] <rublind> ERROR: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use
[05:03] <mjg59> ob: Again, most of the alternatives are differently worse
[05:03] <ob> i <3 rhythmbox/juK/amaroK
[05:03] <mjg59> beep-media-player leaks memory like it's made of tissue
[05:03] <Despair> rublind: ick, need to kill whatever is using it. probably gnome-settings.
[05:04] <baHam> esound doesnt work
[05:04] <rublind> Okay, how?
[05:04] <mjg59> baHam: In what way?
[05:04] <socomm> baHam: esound == esd
[05:04] <baHam> the popup comes out 
[05:04] <baHam> and says it is not properly configured
[05:04] <ushooz> I have no issues with esd or arts
[05:06] <Can0Beans> sup?
[05:06] <mjg59> baHam: If you go to desktop preferences/sound, is sound server startup enabled?
[05:06] <ob> truly, i have the more dire problem: i can't get sound in tuxracer.
[05:06] <ob> bloody /dev/sequencer not found.
[05:06] <mjg59> ob: Oh, joy
[05:06] <ushooz> I get that ob :)
[05:06] <mjg59> /dev/sequencer has been pretty much useless for years
[05:07] <baHam> yea it is enabled but... I runned esd from terminal and now works :>
[05:07] <rublind> Easier to just reboot?
[05:07] <mjg59> It's odd that it'd give that error. It uses mods for music, last time I checked
[05:07] <mjg59> rublind: Try killall esd before that
[05:07] <ob> it only happens when you download the extras, apparently.
[05:07] <ushooz> with the BinkPlayer
[05:07] <rublind> Still in use
[05:07] <baHam> how to run esd on startup ?
[05:07] <mjg59> I really need an ubuntu machine so I can actually test this stuff
[05:07] <rublind> Maybe :P
[05:07] <ob> haha
[05:07] <mjg59> baHam: Hrm. It /ought/ to be started on login if that's checked.
[05:08] <ob> i'm debating burning fc3 test 3.
[05:08] <ob> it's been a long time since i sailed on the good ship redhat.
[05:08] <rublind> I accidently removed the speaker from the top panel, how do I put it back?
[05:08] <baHam> mjg59, it doesnt.. where to add programs to be started on reboot ?
[05:08] <mjg59> rublind: right-click/add to panel select mixer applet
[05:08] <Can0Beans> ob, do you know when fc3 is supposed to be released?
[05:09] <mjg59> baHam: You don't want to start it on reboot, because it's a session-specific application
[05:09] <Dekkard> any ex slackers in here?
[05:09] <ob> it's probably at fedoranews.org
[05:09] <ushooz> Dekkard, I use Slack
[05:09] <ob> yeah, i dropped slack after 9.
[05:09] <mjg59> If you want it started when you log in, add it under session properties/startup applications
[05:09] <ob> i'm debating going back and using dropline.
[05:09] <baHam> mjg59, I want to start "esd" on reboot 
[05:09] <ushooz> Dropline is nice
[05:09] <ob> since patrick dropped support.
[05:09] <Dekkard> new dropline...
[05:09] <ushooz> ob, I was about to say that
[05:09] <Dekkard> whe i did the last dropline update it borked me
[05:09] <ob> i'm more of a kde fanboy.
[05:09] <mjg59> baHam: Really, you don't
[05:09] <ushooz> I am still on 2.6 Dropline
[05:10] <mjg59> baHam: The problem is that esd has to run as the user that's currently logged in
[05:10] <ushooz> ob: no SuSE for you?
[05:10] <baHam> it doesnt work if not..
[05:10] <mjg59> baHam: And you can't do that if it's started on reboot
[05:10] <baHam> so i need to add it
[05:10] <baHam> in sessions
[05:10] <baHam> startup programs ?
[05:10] <ob> heh.  suse 9.x can't find my PS/2 kb.
[05:10] <ob> fucking germans.
[05:10] <mjg59> baHam: Yeah, that's the easiest. But if you have start sound server selected and it doesn't start, you should file a bug
[05:10] <ushooz> that is odd
[05:10] <mjg59> That really should result in it starting
[05:11] <ushooz> it is one of the better hardware support distro for my hardware. Laptop and Desktop
[05:11] <mjg59> debian-installer currently breaks on the debian project leader's laptop
[05:11] <mjg59> I find this hilariously funny
[05:11] <ob> yeah i keep meaning to try it again.
[05:11] <rublind> It doesn't go back to the place next to the bar.
[05:11] <ob> and fiddle around with putting a dongle on my usb mouse.
[05:11] <mjg59> (And not because I had to spend two hours with him trying to get the damn thing to work, oh no)
[05:11] <ob> does 9.1 personal have KOffice?
[05:11] <ob> i don't swing the OOo way.
[05:11] <Lathiat> mjg59: haha
[05:11] <ushooz> I bought Pro
[05:12] <ob> pro just has compilers and so forth.
[05:12] <baHam> mjg59, I want to run it as root
[05:12] <mjg59> baHam: It won't work if it's run as root
[05:12] <mjg59> baHam: It uses user-level authentication
[05:12] <baHam> mjg59, it works ONLY if i run it on root
[05:12] <mjg59> baHam: That's very, very odd. Please file a bug - that's not how it should behave
[05:12] <ushooz> ob: has more software as a whole
[05:12] <ushooz> ob: Personal does not come with Gnome
[05:13] <ob> yeah i don't really care for gnome.
[05:13] <ob> unless it's done exceptionally well.
[05:13] <ushooz> Personal sounds fine for you then
[05:13] <mjg59> A Novell person at Linuxexpo.uk told me that NLD would ship with KDE as default in Europe
[05:13] <ob> vis: dropline or ubuntu.
[05:13] <mjg59> Which seems weird, but still
[05:13] <ushooz> grab personal then hook up via Yast to get the rest
[05:13] <zenwhen> sup
[05:13] <Can0Beans> Suse 9.2 is shipping soon
[05:13] <ob> if it can find my keyboard, that is.
[05:13] <mjg59> The one piece of my software that's in the NLD menus by defaults has been compiled with the wrong options and so doesn't have my name in the about box :(
[05:13] <MoneyMan> soop
[05:14] <ob> haha
[05:14] <jdub> mjg59: wack
[05:14] <jdub> mjg59: dasher?
[05:15] <Wsquared> lamont: ?
[05:15] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah
[05:15] <mjg59> They've compiled it without GNOME library support
[05:15] <jdub> typical ;)
[05:16] <mjg59> How am I supposed to impress booth babes if they've removed my name from the code?
[05:16] <Lathiat> mjg59: heh
[05:16] <rublind> Okay, this thing just isn't working.
[05:17] <baHam> mjg59, you se..
[05:17] <baHam> mjg59, now ubuntu sounds work but gaim doesnt work with xmms on..
[05:17] <mjg59> baHam: Uhm. It's possible gaim is doing the wrong thing.
[05:17] <jdub> have you restarted gaim?
[05:18] <rublind> I can't get xmms to compile.
[05:18] <rublind> But that's not as important as getting my sound to work first.
[05:18] <jdub> why are you compiling it?!
[05:19] <baHam> WHY are you compiling -_-
[05:19] <rublind> Err, not compile
[05:19] <rublind> Make.
[05:19] <baHam> apt-get install xmms
[05:19] <baHam> apt-get install mikmod 
[05:19] <baHam> apt-get install libmikmod
[05:19] <baHam> and you're done :)
[05:19] <mjg59> baHam: Or just use synaptic, as God intended when he put it on the install CD :)
[05:19] <rublind> Okay, now fix my sound :P
[05:20] <Dethread> synaptic does the same thing anyway
[05:20] <rublind> E: Couldn't find package mikmod
[05:20] <Despair> baHam: libdumb is far nicer than libmikmod, anyways. >:)
[05:21] <Dethread> rublind: which repository are you using?
[05:21] <baHam> my bud sees the mp3 files of an ntfs partition as user, but he cant play em..
[05:21] <SmokingFire> Phr0stByte: now do hello world in unicode using gettext
[05:21] <rublind> What do you mean repository? And how would I find out?
[05:22] <Dethread> either look at /etc/apt/sources.list or in synaptic Settings -> Repositories
[05:23] <rublind> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[05:24] <rublind> Is there a different repository that I should have? (or get?)
[05:24] <Dethread> yes
[05:24] <rublind> ... which one?
[05:24] <Dethread> I assume you have the "main restricted" one selected
[05:24] <Dethread> mikmod is in "main restricted universe"
[05:24] <rublind> I don't know..
[05:24] <rublind> I have what ubuntu installed.
[05:25] <Dethread> hold on, I'll take a screenshot for you
[05:25] <WW_> rublind: I recommend reading this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:27] <WW_> rublind: ...and then take a look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[05:28] <rublind> Okay.
[05:28] <rublind> Thanks
[05:28] <Dethread> rublind: http://img73.exs.cx/img73/6854/screen.png
[05:29] <rublind> Those are what I should have?
[05:29] <WW_> lamont: ping?
[05:29] <rexiboy> can someone tell me how to use bittorrent? installed but how to start?
[05:29] <Dethread> well, in that setting you can install mikmod :)
[05:29] <Dethread> rexiboy, which bittorrent client?
[05:29] <rublind> I have pretty much that setting...
[05:30] <Dethread> rublind, note the "universe"
[05:30] <rexiboy> Dethread, yes, trying to d/l a file
[05:30] <Dethread> rexiboy, which bittorrent client?
[05:30] <lamont> WW_: yo
[05:30] <WW_> lamont: Wow, you're still here!
[05:31] <rexiboy> the one in synaptic
[05:31] <Ninjas-Rezatm> whats mikmod?
[05:31] <WW_> lamont: I finally got the live cd ISO downloaded, and I'm trying it out on a Dell C800 laptop.
[05:31] <rexiboy> Dethread, is there another one?
[05:31] <tvon_> hrmph
[05:31] <DanC> Had such a good time with ubuntu today that I had to write about it a bit. http://www.advogato.org/person/connolly/diary.html?start=15
[05:31] <Dethread> rexiboy, hold on...I need to check which one that is
[05:32] <rublind> bittorent
[05:32] <rublind>  Homepage: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/
[05:32] <fragment> anyone using winbind for authentication?
[05:32] <baHam> mjg59, still doesnt work
[05:32] <WW_> lamont: I have the warty-live-20041015-20.iso
[05:32] <Dethread> rublind, I have found that Azureus is a much more comfortable to use bittorrent client
[05:33] <rublind> Yeah, I use that on my Windows machine.
[05:33] <Dethread> rublind, check it out at http://azureus.sourceforge.net
[05:33] <WW_> lamont: The default boot apparently didn't configure X correctly.
[05:33] <Dethread> rublind, cool...just use it in linux also
[05:33] <rublind> Are there are other repositories?
[05:33] <rublind> I shall. ^_^
[05:33] <zenwhen> how do you start the ssh daemon in ubuntu
[05:33] <rublind> I download the .jar, right?
[05:34] <Dethread> yes
[05:34] <rexiboy> rublind, how do i start it?
[05:34] <rublind> Okay, how do I run it?
[05:34] <Dethread> erm, sorry roxiboy....I was talking to rublind when I meant you
[05:34] <rublind> Haha.
[05:34] <Dethread> rexiboy, you need java installed
[05:34] <Dekkard> yeah..doesnt azureus use java?
[05:34] <rexiboy> Dethread, through synaptic?
[05:35] <rexiboy> I wonder if it's going to work on 64?
[05:35] <Dethread> Dekkard, yes
[05:35] <jedix> what's that?
[05:35] <rublind> How do you premanentaly modify the $PATH ?
[05:35] <spikeb> howdy
[05:35] <Dekkard> you need to edit /etc/profile i believe
[05:35] <crimsun> rublind: system-wide or for your user?
[05:35] <rexiboy> Dethread, which one?
[05:35] <rublind> I'm the only user.
[05:35] <jayeola> rublind: edit .bashrc
[05:36] <Dethread> rexiboy, which one what?
[05:36] <rublind> Which is where?
[05:36] <Dethread> rublind, in your home directory
[05:36] <rublind> Okay, I'm bad with Bash scripting.
[05:36] <jayeola> /home/your_username/.bashrc
[05:36] <rublind> Do I just add a line somewhere?
[05:36] <jayeola> or /etc/profile
[05:37] <Ninjas-Rezatm> My Sound is also not working, should I install mikmod and libmikmod?
[05:37] <rublind> jayeola, what do I add to .bashrc ?
[05:37] <rexiboy> Dethread, do i do it through synaptic? because i got heaps of files with java... none 1.4.2
[05:37] <Dethread> rublind: PATH=$PATH:newstufftoadd
[05:37] <rublind> Okay, thank you.
[05:37] <Dethread> rexiboy, you need to download it from sun's website
[05:37] <jayeola> i add this line.... PATH=$PATH:/sbin/:usr/sbin
[05:37] <rexiboy> thanks
[05:37] <Dethread> rexiboy, it's a little tricky to install though
[05:38] <rexiboy> Dethread, any tips?
[05:38] <jayeola> rublind: and you can also add aliases, very handy
[05:38] <Dethread> rexiboy, there was a good tutorial somewhere....hold on
[05:38] <crimsun> i'll write up something and put it on the wiki tonight regarding jre/jdk
[05:38] <rublind> How do I do that?
[05:38] <crimsun> but yeah, there're a few how-tos
[05:39] <jayeola> ok guys, i've installed ubuntu. had trouble adding a new user (errors), skipped to next stage
[05:39] <Dekkard> my irc client uses java..so i kinda needed to
[05:39] <jayeola> now i don't seem to have any users, p/words that work ....
[05:39] <Dethread> rexiboy, look at this one. http://martinfowler.com/bliki/DebianJava.html
[05:39] <rexiboy> Dethread, cool thanks
[05:40] <jayeola> rublind: example alias rm='rm iv'
[05:40] <rublind> Which does?
[05:40] <WW_> lamont: I was able to get X by choosing the framebuffer option.  It only gives me 1024x768, but this laptop should have 1400x1050.
[05:40] <jayeola> means that is u remove a file, bash will always ask you for confirmation
[05:40] <rublind> rm iv asks for confirmation?
[05:41] <jayeola> yep
[05:41] <rublind> Okay, cool.
[05:41] <james> i installed ubuntu a few days ago, and i am noticing some weird problems..  first problem: all web browsers crash when i try to access ebay.com
[05:41] <WW_> lamont: Also, tapping on the touchpad doesn't work--it should act like a mouse click.
[05:41] <rublind> I edited /etc/profiles and I did sudo bash /etc/profiles
[05:41] <PandU> what program to install in order to see cpu temp ubuntu amd64
[05:41] <rublind> But it didn't change the path
[05:41] <rublind> (no s, sorry)
[05:41] <jayeola> ah, rublind 'source /etc/profiles' 
[05:42] <rublind> Oh, okay.
[05:42] <jayeola> or whatever file u edited
[05:42] <rublind> There, thanks.
[05:42] <rublind> Dethread how do I run Azureus?
[05:42] <jayeola> rublind: join the channel #flood and i'll paste some of my aliases
[05:42] <Dethread> rublind, got java installed?
[05:43] <rublind> Yeah.
[05:43] <Dethread> ok, there's a "How To" on the azureus website
[05:43] <rublind> jayeola, wouldn't it be easier to /msg me?
[05:43] <rublind> Oh, oikay.
[05:43] <james> next problem, when i click on the computer menu, and then click on home, desktop, disks, etc, it takes like 5 minutes for it to open.  i am assuming that this is a nautilus problem
[05:43] <zenwhen> how do you start the ssh daemon in ubuntu
[05:44] <jedix> /etc/init.d/sshd start
[05:44] <WW_> zenwhen: You have to install openssh-server
[05:44] <jedix> probably
[05:44] <jedix> apt-get install sshd
[05:45] <PandU> Can someone help me setting up a motherboard CPU temp applet. MB Asus K8V abuntu amd64
[05:46] <WW_> zenwhen: apt-get install openssh-server, or use Synaptic
[05:46] <james> has anyone had problems with nautilus hanging when trying to open a new window?
[05:47] <Dethread> james: does the system hang when you access the drive via the terminal?
[05:48] <james> Dethread: no, abd its not a specific drive.  even does it when i try to open my home folder
[05:49] <Dethread> james, weird...I haven't heard of any such problems with Nautilus... sorry
[05:50] <jimmy_dean> What package do I want to install to get a kernel source suitable for installing the official nvidia graphics card drivers?  I'm running the latest ubuntu stable kernel (2.6.8.1)
[05:50] <jayeola> how do i deal with a forgotten p/word/
[05:51] <jayeola> gah!
[05:51] <WW_> jimmy_dean: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:51] <PandU> Please help me setting lm-sensor for Asus K8V ubuntu amd64
[05:51] <jimmy_dean> thanks WW_
[05:53] <rublind> So, sound thing we fix tomorrow?
[05:55] <WW_> jimmy_dean: No problem.  By the way, the top of that page (about adding multiverse) can be ignored if you are just adding the graphics drivers.  They are in the restricted component.
[05:56] <jimmy_dean> WW_, ok
[06:01] <tvon_> Wireless just went to hell on my laptop out of the blue
[06:01] <tvon_> dammit
[06:01] <tvon_> dammit
[06:02] <tvon_> Now I have to, like...work near stuff
[06:03] <tvon_> on top of that the Yankees are winning
[06:03] <tvon_> someone hold me
[06:05] <ushooz> my wireless dropped early for no reason as well
[06:06] <ushooz> just had to ifdown and ifup eth1
[06:06] <ushooz> it was odd
[06:06] <tvon_> Yeah, its not getting a lease now though
[06:06] <ushooz> looks like your Sox are done again :(
[06:06] <tvon_> Little wifi light on the router deosnt even blink, which I think it does whenever it get a ping
[06:06] <ushooz> I was chearing for em
[06:06] <tvon_> Yeah, Sox are dead
[06:07] <tvon_> stupid team
[06:07] <tvon_> breeds alchoholics
[06:07] <rublind> Why is it that I have to keep doing source .bashrc to get java added to my path?
[06:07] <ushooz> how did you install java?
[06:07] <rublind> With their thing.
[06:07] <rublind> Their installer.
[06:08] <ushooz> you need to put the path in profile
[06:08] <rublind> I did.
[06:08] <rublind> Maybe it's 'cause I didn't restart?
[06:09] <ushooz> source profile
[06:10] <rublind> I did that
[06:10] <ushooz> did you close your term
[06:10] <ushooz> and then open a new one
[06:10] <tvon_> ah..rebooted and wifi is fine
[06:10] <tvon_> peculiar
[06:10] <rublind> I might have.
[06:11] <ushooz> it will stay in the path for that term session
[06:11] <rublind> Okay, well when I reboot, will I have to do it every time?
[06:11] <aitrus> rublind: in gnome-terminal, try Edit->Current Profile->Title and Command->Run command as login shell
[06:11] <aitrus> then open a new terminal
[06:12] <dewey> ok I installed RealPlayer and Realrekord and realrekord is looking for realplay and realplayer wants to be opened with bin-sh realplay from realrekord?
[06:12] <ushooz> hey, learned something there. That is cool
[06:12] <dewey> but realplay opens with realplay8 from a term?
[06:14] <rublind> Thanks
[06:14] <rublind> Bye.
[06:14] <SmokingFire> why didn't you install helixplayer?
[06:14] <tvon_> ew
[06:14] <SmokingFire> in contrast with realplayer
[06:15] <dewey> SmokingFire: where is that at?
[06:15] <tvon_> IMO, Helix player isnt really worth installing as it supports less than just about any player out there, RealPlayer supports Real at least
[06:15] <dewey> is it universal?
[06:15] <SmokingFire> https://player.helixcommunity.org/
[06:17] <SmokingFire> tvon_: thought helix supported real
[06:17] <jayeola> tvon_: are u using a wireless card?
[06:17] <hazmat> hi tvon_
[06:17] <tvon_> hazmat: howdy
[06:18] <tvon_> SmokingFire: helix does not support real, only real supports real
[06:18] <tvon_> jayeola: yeah, I have it working again though
[06:18] <jayeola> ok tvon_ have u tried monitor mode?
[06:19] <tvon_> jayeola: mhm....dont' think so
[06:19] <jayeola> heh "keeping it real"
[06:26] <rushibhai> Hi all
[06:27] <Dethread> hello rushibhai
[06:27] <baHam> hello :)
[06:27] <rushibhai> quick question, i've already been through the FAQ, so don't beat me up :)
[06:27] <rushibhai> has anyone had success moving to ubuntu from debian sid in the same way as in the FAQ for woody?
[06:28] <rushibhai> anything i should watch out for?
[06:28] <crimsun> rushibhai: it's much more complicated
[06:28] <crimsun> i'm still in the process of doing it
[06:28] <rushibhai> crimsun: :) 
[06:28] <crimsun> and it's complicated by the fact that i still apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade daily using sid as the highest priority among sid, experimental, and ubuntu
[06:28] <crimsun> but--
[06:29] <rushibhai> crimsun: i don't mind moving completely to ubuntu.
[06:29] <crimsun> it can be done if you pin ubuntu at highest priority
[06:29] <crimsun> you'll need to brush up on apt-pinning (man 5 apt_preferences)
[06:29] <rushibhai> crimsun: i'm thinking of just following the woody instructions.. ;)
[06:30] <crimsun> it's a bit more difficult because sid generally has newer packages than ubuntu
[06:30] <crimsun> so you'll have to force apt to downgrade to the ubuntu versions
[06:30] <rushibhai> humm. how about if i pin and downgrade to sarge and then go to ubuntu?
[06:31] <rushibhai> i've been from sid to sarge once without too much bloodshed :)
[06:31] <crimsun> that's one more step than necessary
[06:31] <rushibhai> yeah :)
[06:32] <crimsun> all you really need to do is configure /etc/apt/preferences, add the ubuntu lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, update and dist-upgrade
[06:32] <crimsun> the priorities in /etc/apt/preferences will be the trickiest part
[06:32] <crimsun> but
[06:32] <crimsun> you could use 990 or 991.
[06:32] <rushibhai> humm..
[06:32] <crimsun> (for the ubuntu lines)
[06:32] <rushibhai> right.
[06:33] <rushibhai> what numbers would you suggest for sid and sarge (and experimental) in that case?
[06:33] <crimsun> i keep experimental at 99
[06:33] <crimsun> sec, lemme more it
[06:33] <rushibhai> ok
[06:34] <rushibhai> right now i have sid at 990, and sarge at 500, experimental at 100.
[06:35] <crimsun> k, i keep sid at 900, experimental at 99, select ubuntu packages (mostly linux-*) at 901
[06:35] <rushibhai> sounds simple enough.. let me give it a try..
[06:35] <crimsun> to go completely to ubuntu, i'd just erase all the extra linux-* ones I use for ubuntu and leave one pinned to 991
[06:37] <rushibhai> and what about /etc/apt/apt.conf?
[06:38] <bronson> Can anyone tell me why I don't see /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc in /dev?  I'm using udev.
[06:38] <bronson> Or, perhaps a better question, what's the Ubuntu way of mounting a cdrom?  :)
[06:38] <Despair> bronson: look in /media
[06:38] <bronson> Despair: /media exists, but it's empty.
[06:38] <Despair> bronson: hm. is ide-cd & cdrom loaded?
[06:38] <crimsun> rushibhai: i don't have anything extra there.
[06:39] <bronson> Despair: kernel modules?
[06:39] <Despair> bronson: yeah
[06:39] <bronson> I've got ide_generic and ide_disk, but not cd.
[06:39] <rushibhai> crimsun: okay! i'm putting the deb lines in sources.list and see what happens
[06:40] <crimsun> rushibhai: the only thing that may trip you up is the menus
[06:40] <rushibhai> crimsun: so what does the Pin release a=... line look like for you?
[06:40] <rushibhai> ?
[06:41] <crimsun> rushibhai: Ubuntu's menus are much more sane than Debian's imo; and because I have KDE apps there too, and some of my GNOME packages are from experimental, the menus are placed differently and offer a different selection from what Ubuntu's does
[06:41] <bronson> Despair: Yeah!  That fixed it.  Thanks!
[06:41] <rushibhai> don't care much. all i care about is my gnome-term :)
[06:41] <bronson> Erm...  Should I add those two modules to /etc/modules?
[06:42] <bronson> I'm wondering why they're not loaded automatically...
[06:42] <crimsun> rushibhai: which line? For ubuntu related ones, it's Pin: release a=warty
[06:42] <lamont> WW_: what kind of video card /monitor do you have?
[06:42] <rushibhai> right. that's what i want. thanks.
[06:43] <WW_> lamont: It's a Dell laptop, C800.  I don't know more than that off the top of my head, but I can crank it up again and poke around.
[06:44] <WW_> lamont: By the way, I also tried Knoppix 3.6 with the 2.6 kernel option, and gave the options screen=1400x1050 depth=24, and it worked.
[06:44] <rushibhai> crimson: apt-get update'ing :)
[06:45] <WW_> lamont: But with kernel 2.6, Knoppix also didn't handle touchpad taps.
[06:46] <lamont> WW_: please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041017-05.iso, and if it still does it (I expect it will), please file a bug with the details of what it did, as well as the output of lspci -vvv
[06:47] <lamont> anybody with decent bandwidth wanna grab that iso and tell me if it works?
[06:47] <rushibhai> crimson: looks like there's a whole lot of gnome related stuff being upgraded
[06:47] <rushibhai> crimson: 160 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 8 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[06:47] <lamont> "works": boots, and gives some reasonable level of functionalness
[06:47] <rushibhai> crimson: does that sound about right?
[06:47] <lamont> rushibhai: relative to what?
[06:48] <lamont> relative to the RC, I'd expect less.  Relative to sounder 9, sounds about right
[06:48] <rushibhai> lamont: trying to move from debian SID to ubuntu..
[06:48] <lamont> rushibhai: known to be fraught with peril
[06:48] <rushibhai> lamont: rofl.
[06:48] <lamont> from sid, circa june 28 to warty stands a much better chance of working.
[06:48] <rushibhai> lamont: the night is still young. and its sunday
[06:48] <lamont> since that's the date that warty froze the sid versions
[06:49] <lamont> to really really really switch to warty, you need to pin priorities for warty to > 1000, which will then downgrade several pacakges
[06:49] <rushibhai> lamont: humm. my sid is up-to-date as of now.
[06:49] <lamont> that is unfortunate.
[06:49] <rushibhai> lamont: humm.
[06:50] <lamont> woody-to-warty is expected to "just work" (tm).  even semi-recent sarge/sid to warty is actually a mixture of upgrade and downgrade
[06:50] <rushibhai> lamont: is it safe to leave the newer sid packages in place and goo to warty?
[06:50] <lamont> which is to say, you probably want a current backup before you do it...
[06:50] <lamont> totally unsupported, but may work
[06:50] <lamont> note that some of the newer packages probably want a gnome 2.6 abi, while warty provides 2.8
[06:51] <rushibhai> lamont: yep, data is safe. might toast the install thought..
[06:51] <rushibhai> humm..
[06:51] <sean_> sup
[06:51] <lamont> when I tried dragging my daughter's computer from semi-new sid to warty back around sounder 7, I wound up booting the hard way (from the install CD with care), and pushing their data off of the machine before I flatlined it.
[06:51] <WW_> lamont: ETA 07:35:10   "decent bandwidth" -- not here!
[06:52] <rushibhai> sorry to hear that..
[06:52] <rushibhai> i think i should be able to escape that fate..
[06:52] <lamont> WW_: There's a reason I cloned the CD creation environment here for testing.. :-)
[06:52] <Mr_Smiley> hmm something isn't right i just installed ubuntu and for some reason everything is working correctly :S
[06:52] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[06:53] <rushibhai> rofl
[06:53] <WW_> Mr_Smiley: Yeah, now what will you do with all your time?  :-)
[06:53] <Mr_Smiley> i know
[06:53] <lamont> rushibhai: it should be doable, but you're on your own.  (some ninja-DD hackery might be needed, but it's all just bits, right?)
[06:53] <rushibhai> never installed debian before? :)
[06:53] <SmokingFire> when you a format in linux does it a complete format or a quick format?
[06:53] <Mr_Smiley> i cant think of anything to do now
[06:53] <rushibhai> lamont: we'll find out.
[06:53] <baHam> hm
[06:54] <rushibhai> lamont: with warty pin at 1001, apt-get -t warty -s dist-upgrade
[06:54] <lamont> Mr_Smiley: pick some favorite package from universe that isn't built yet, and produce a patch for it, if you're really bored... :-)
[06:54] <baHam> problem: I cant talk and hear people on teamspeak and contemporarely hear to mp3's on xmms.. what to do ?
[06:54] <rushibhai> lamont: says 160 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 8 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[06:54] <baHam> rushibhai, what does the dist-upgrade do ?
[06:54] <Mr_Smiley> lamont, haha
[06:54] <Ninjas-Rezatm> can anyone offer me suggestions
[06:54] <baHam> rushibhai, I mean, on ubuntu
[06:54] <lamont> rushibhai: not much different, eh>
[06:54] <Ninjas-Rezatm> my sound stop working after shut down
[06:54] <rushibhai> looks like the moment of truth has arrived. farewell, my brothers!
[06:54] <Ninjas-Rezatm> and reboot
[06:54] <rushibhai> nope
[06:55] <SmokingFire> baHam: erase and install openbeoss
[06:55] <baHam> SmokingFire, ?
[06:55] <WW_> lamont: I like the menu setup in the Live CD, but will it have more options?  Will there be an expert option that gives a boot: prompt?
[06:55] <zenwhen> how do you add the universe repository to synaptic?
[06:55] <rushibhai> Bravely pressing y..
[06:55] <SmokingFire> I thought you had problems of thinks working out of the box, wait that Mr_Smiley
[06:55] <rushibhai> downloading.. downloading..
[06:55] <baHam> rushibhai, tell me, what does the dist-upgrade do ? upgrades packages ?
[06:55] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[06:56] <SmokingFire> baHam: install gstreamer08-mad
[06:56] <baHam> what's that , SmokingFire  ?
[06:56] <SmokingFire> mpeg audio layer three -->mp3
[06:56] <WW_> zenwhen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[06:56] <lamont> WW_: at this point, if it's not a release critical bug, it won't be in warty
[06:56] <Ninjas-Rezatm> My device manager is not in my ubuntu menu... can anyone tell me the coommand?
[06:56] <rushibhai> baham: dunno. thats the way to upgrade packages while being smart about dependencies etc.
[06:57] <rushibhai> baham: don't know the exact algorithms..
[06:57] <baHam> what the gstreamer do ?
[06:58] <SmokingFire> baHam: its the directx of linux, well very remoted
[06:58] <rushibhai> LAMONT, CRIMSON, thanks much for the help. hopefully I'll see you guys if I live through this.. :)
[06:58] <baHam> what does directx have in common with SOUND ?
[06:58] <SmokingFire> baHam: directsound
[06:58] <baHam> SmokingFire, so, after installing, what to do ?
[06:58] <SmokingFire> baHam: it will allow you to play mp3's
[06:59] <SmokingFire> baHam: but its need perhaps a reboot.
[06:59] <baHam> I already can play mp3's
[06:59] <SmokingFire> baHam: thought you had mp3 problem, sorry
[06:59] <baHam> but i cant play mp3's and in the same time maybe talk on teamspeak and hear people talking
[06:59] <SmokingFire> aah, fullduplex
[07:00] <baHam> fullduplex?
[07:00] <SmokingFire> playing and recording sound at the same time
[07:00] <baHam> nah
[07:00] <baHam> the problem is
[07:00] <baHam> playing sound 
[07:00] <baHam> with more programs
[07:00] <baHam> in the same time
[07:00] <baHam> ;_;
[07:01] <SmokingFire> should be esd problem then, I think, as ubuntu uses esd,
[07:02] <chris_> hi
[07:02] <SmokingFire> baHam: but can you for example listen to mp3 streams from the net and still soundfeed back from gnome works?
[07:02] <SmokingFire> hi, chris_
[07:03] <baHam> from gnome works
[07:03] <baHam> but other programs like gaim or teamspeak or cs dont
[07:03] <chris_> I have two questions about ubuntu.  First one is why don't my fonts look as good as on Fedora Core.  I have a Radeon 9200.
[07:03] <SmokingFire> ok, as thats basically the most i do, so can't say if your problem is isolated or a bug,
[07:04] <SmokingFire> chris_: perhaps computer-->desktop -->font would help
[07:04] <baHam> help me smoking :|
[07:04] <SmokingFire> baHam: can't imagine how
[07:05] <baHam> me either ;_;
[07:05] <chris_> I have tried everything setting in there.  Doesn't even come close.  XF86Config -4 is pretty similar to the xorg.conf in FC2
[07:05] <hazmat> baHam, esd is capable of mixing sounds.. at least it works fine for me, with multiple apps playing sound.
[07:05] <baHam> hazmat, doesnt for me..
[07:06] <baHam> I mean, gaim doesnt
[07:06] <hazmat> baHam, if you've done alot of updating.. rebooting might help...
[07:06] <baHam> and others dont neither
[07:07] <baHam> hazmat, I rebooted already ;_;
[07:08] <compubomb> what do you guy's think of ubuntu as a server distro ?..
[07:09] <SmokingFire> baHam:  you have the enable sound daemon option enabled?
[07:10] <SmokingFire> compubomb: wouldn't care, personally I would use bsd
[07:10] <compubomb> ...
[07:11] <baHam> yeah SmokingFire 
[07:11] <hazmat> compubomb, the canonical folks use it on there servers
[07:11] <baHam> it is enabled
[07:11] <hazmat> its debian, but i would just use debian straight, if i wanted a debian based server distro.
[07:11] <baHam> compubomb, If I'd have a server I'd use ubuntu
[07:11] <hazmat> most of ubuntu's value add is on the desktop
[07:12] <SmokingFire> linux is getting populair and so the exploits, bsd is more pure, especially openbsd.
[07:12] <Dethread> I use Ubuntu for my laptop, that's where it shines :)
[07:12] <hazmat> although personally i use gentoo on all my servers... so take with a grain of salt/shot of whiskey ;-)
[07:12] <cianid3> hey guys
[07:12] <SmokingFire> hey!
[07:12] <Dethread> hey cianid3
[07:12] <SmokingFire> welcom cianid3
[07:13] <cianid3> damn i can't get via drivers on 2.6.8.1 kernel
[07:13] <cianid3> gives me
[07:13] <cianid3> via82cxxx: Unknown symbol cleanup_module
[07:13] <hazmat> SmokingFire, bah.. the majority of apps/daemons the same.
[07:13] <hazmat> ie. same xploits, same problems
[07:14] <SmokingFire> hazmat: well anyway openbsd (which is a distro, so a secure and tight lin distro would also do) looks interesting.
[07:15] <SmokingFire> cianid3: can't help no via experience
[07:15] <mikib> hello all humans
[07:15] <SmokingFire> cianid3: did you look for via&lin faq?
[07:16] <SmokingFire> mikib: hi, android nr 17
[07:16] <cianid3> smokingfire: nope
[07:16] <cianid3> where is that located at
[07:16] <SmokingFire> at google.com
[07:17] <SmokingFire> google is new and complete portal, has about anything you type in the search box.
[07:17] <cianid3> i try to force the module load and i get 
[07:17] <cianid3> FATAL: Error inserting via82cxxx (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[07:18] <SmokingFire> cianid3: If you can't find it, then try on the mailing list, I have seen posts about via mini-itx boards. MAke sure your subject is descriptive of problem.
[07:18] <SepheeBear> i think Ubntu uses the alsa driver "snd_via82xx " instead of that older one
[07:18] <cianid3> everything works fine except dma
[07:18] <cianid3> won't let me turn it on
[07:19] <SmokingFire> cianid3: I'm lin noob so that message means as much if it where written in Chinese.
[07:19] <cianid3> which led me to checking to make sure the via chipset modules was installed
[07:19] <SepheeBear> i'd say check that your alsa stuff is in order
[07:19] <cianid3> alsa stuff?
[07:19] <cianid3> alsa stuff works perfect
[07:20] <SmokingFire> so what about esd or alsa? Which does ubuntu actually use?
[07:20] <hazmat> both
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley> why doesnt totem play video files
[07:25] <cianid3> totem is garbage
[07:25] <cianid3> mr_smiley use mplayer
[07:25] <chris_> Anyone have suggestions for getting WEP working on a wireless card.  Any tricks?
[07:26] <miked593> i trashed xf86config-4 when i tried to install fglrx for my 9200se, im in X but i dont have direct rendering, i ran fglrxconfig and it still didnt give me direct rendering what should i do
[07:26] <Zindar> I find totem-xine, xine and mplayer to be about as good at playing video
[07:26] <Zindar> totem-gstreamer can't play lot's of things though
[07:26] <cianid3> nah
[07:27] <cianid3> mplayer is the best movie player
[07:27] <cianid3> hands down
[07:27] <Zindar> cianid3, why? 
[07:27] <cianid3> because it plays any video type i throw at it
[07:27] <Zindar> cianid3, I agree it's good but I haven't seen anything that doesn't play in xine
[07:27] <Zindar> cianid3, so does xine
[07:27] <cianid3> even xine struggles to play certain videos
[07:27] <Zindar> :)
[07:27] <Zindar> oh yeah... I haven't seen that!
 even xine struggles to play certain videos
 cianid3, so does xine
[07:28] <cianid3> ??
[07:28] <Dethread> [22:27]  <cianid3> because it plays any video type i throw at it
[07:28] <Zindar> just make sure you have the w32codec package and everything I've tried to play just plays
[07:28] <Dethread> [22:27]  <Zindar> cianid3, so does xine
[07:28] <Zindar> I agree with Dethread :)
[07:28] <cianid3> nah
[07:28] <cianid3> xine has some problems playing some mpegs i have
[07:29] <Zindar> well.. glad you find something that works...
[07:29] <cianid3> and some wmv's don't have sound
[07:29] <Zindar> ok.. I've never seen that.. like I said.. xine works gr8 for me.... but... I have mplayer installed just incase ...
[07:29] <Mr_Smiley> i like totem interface better than mplayer
[07:30] <miked593> i messed up my xf86config-4, how do i get back the default one ubuntu gave me, i had direct rendering for my 9200se with that one
[07:30] <compubomb> what dir do you add stuff to in order for it to start up when you boot.. in slackware i believe it was rc.local ..
[07:31] <cianid3> you switched form slackware to ubuntu????
[07:31] <miked593> anyone
[07:31] <compubomb> cianid3: kinda
[07:31] <compubomb> i've used debian.. but normally use apt-get
[07:37] <ushooz> compubomb, I just created a file in /etc/init.d called local made it chmod +x then put a symlink in /etc/rc5.d to the init file
[07:37] <ushooz> I created
[07:39] <akurashy> can anyone help me, im having problem with the sound on ubuntu
[07:39] <compubomb> ushooz: they have a utility called sysvconfig
[07:39] <akurashy> is not working >_<
[07:39] <compubomb> apt-get install sysvconfig
[07:39] <compubomb> just put a symlink in /etc/init.d/
[07:39] <compubomb> then run sysvconfig
[07:39] <compubomb> and enable the service
[07:40] <ushooz> being lazy and not running apt
[07:40] <ushooz> doing it by hand. :)
[07:43] <rublind> ushooz any more sound buff's come by you?
[07:44] <ushooz> buffs?
[07:45] <rublind> Pro's...
[07:45] <GOwin> hello. is it possible to use xfe instead of nautilus in gnome?
[07:45] <ushooz> rublind, nope :(
[07:46] <rublind> :(
[07:46] <Lathiat> GOwin: xfce?
[07:46] <GOwin> lathiat, so i change my DE?
[07:48] <Lathiat> GOwin: I mean is what you want xfce?
[07:49] <GOwin> nope. just x file explorer
[07:51] <GOwin> got the package from unstable.. it's working now. :)
[07:52] <rublind> Where is that?
[07:55] <Lathiat> GOwin: ah right
[07:57] <xskoulax> hi, ubuntu is using xfree correct?
[07:57] <Lathiat> indeed
[07:58] <nate> hey neat
[07:59] <nate> I finally figured out how to make the workspace switcher work for me
[07:59] <nate> nameable workspaces rock
[07:59] <xskoulax> nice is there anything i should know to install ati drivers for a 9500 proo
[07:59] <xskoulax> pro*
[08:00] <mindwarp> I just installed drivers on a 9800 pro
[08:00] <mindwarp> was a huge pain compared to nvidia drivers
[08:00] <mindwarp> but definately doable
[08:00] <mikib> too complicated for me for now, going to go, bye
[08:01] <mindwarp> xskoulax - just make sure under the driver section in your XF86Config you put:  Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[08:01] <mindwarp> and change the driver from radeon/ati to fglrx
[08:01] <xskoulax> mindwarp, how long did it take you?
[08:01] <xskoulax> ok koo
[08:01] <mindwarp> it look me about 20 minutes doing research etc
[08:01] <mindwarp> nothing a little google couldn't fix
[08:01] <xskoulax> not bad
[08:02] <xskoulax> you know how they handle dual head setups cause i'm running on a 15" lcd right now but i have a 17" crt attached too
[08:02] <xskoulax> would be nice to have a spanned desktop at times or the option to have a workspace slaved to a desktop
[08:03] <mindwarp> I think there are some more options to add under the driver section
[08:03] <xskoulax> slaved to a monitor even
[08:03] <xskoulax> ok thx
[08:03] <mindwarp> they have a generator that makes a XF86config, but I don't like using it since I like ubuntu's default config and am too lazy to merge the two
[08:03] <mindwarp> but if you use fglrx-config then it will make a new one, and let you pick dual head etc
[08:03] <mindwarp> make sure you know your monitor's refresh rates etc
[08:05] <xskoulax> nice i might have to have a play with that tomorrow for now i guess i better get back to helping my brother with his paper, thanks for your help!
[08:06] <Dethread> anyone know where I can download the old Ubuntu gnome login theme? the new one with the "naked" people is...well...I don't like it. and I don't know how to go back to the old version
[08:07] <Despair> Eek. 64bit quakeforge in ubuntu is getting 1/3 the framerate of 32bit in debian. I was hoping for a small gain.
[08:07] <mindwarp> I can never get on quakeforge.net
[08:07] <mindwarp> nothing pisses me off more than a broken website
[08:07] <Despair> mindwarp: our hosting died.
[08:08] <mindwarp> But ubuntu's site is broken too, I even filed a bug report with no luck
[08:08] <mindwarp> what good is a search function under the help section that doesn't even work
[08:09] <mindwarp> Despair - I recently setup a lan in my basement explicitly for quake 1 with 12 computers, and it just seems impossible to find any information on quake1 besides quakeworld.nu
[08:09] <mindwarp> even fuhquake's site keeps going down
[08:11] <Despair> I'm just puzzled why I'm getting half the framerate with glxgears (inconsequential benchmark, but wasn't a good sign). finally fix QF's one 32bitism and one bit of gcc-3.4 insanity, and discover it's not just limited to glxgears...
[08:13] <mindwarp> which kind of card is it?
[08:13] <Despair> mindwarp: qf's irc is still up, oftc.net #quakeforge
[08:14] <Despair> GF6800GT (yes, I have a card with stable GL, and am starting to poke at new features in qf again >:)
[08:14] <mindwarp> Despair - thanks for the info
[08:19] <ushooz> Despair, nice card
[08:19] <ushooz> Despair, I gave up on my 9700 Pro and using ATI drivers
[08:20] <ushooz> GL locks up all the time with that card in Linux :(
[08:20] <Despair> ushooz: I only have a new card because the fan died on my 8500LE. So I quite understand about ATI...
[08:21] <ushooz> I have a Nvidia in this laptop and it is solid and I have used Geforce 2 MX cards in past boxes and they all worked fine in Linux... So my next card will be an Nvidia. Mistake getting that ATI
[08:21] <GOwin> where do i find the postgres logs?
[08:22] <Despair> GOwin: usually logs are in /var/log
[08:24] <GOwin> hm ... isn't postgres installed by default?
[08:24] <joolz> gdesklets are nice but they tend to show up in the wrong place or be sticky to a screen location where I don't want them to be... Is this a known issue? Can I set it somewhere?
[08:24] <GOwin> i can't find the logs
[08:25] <Despair> ushooz: my favorite part about fglrx was the HEDGEHOGS OF DOOM that regularly appeared in programs using VBOs. ;)
[08:26] <joolz> GOwin, try /var/log/postgresql\
[08:26] <joolz> without the \
[08:26] <joolz> if that doesn't work look in the configfiles for the location
[08:27] <joolz> or do a sudo locate postgresql.log
[08:32] <xskoulax> is there a keyboard shortcut for switching workspaces? or a way to set them up?
[08:32] <amroc> ok lets see how long i am able to stay on this time
[08:35] <joolz> xskoulax, control alt left or roght. and you can set the up with computer, desktop prefs, keyboard shortcuts
[08:36] <xskoulax> thanks been wondering about that for quite a while
[08:39] <joolz> i come from fvwm
[08:40] <joolz> which makes me wonder, if i want to create a keyboard shortcut for an *action* that is not in the list, how do i do that?
[08:40] <xskoulax> mostly a windows user here, used kde for a while on a suse install switched to dropline gnome on slack liked gnome since
[08:41] <ushooz> joolz there is a keyboad shortcut app under Desktop Prefs
[08:41] <joolz> xskoulax, if you want to tweak it a lot and make it exactly like you want it to, you should really try fvwm
[08:41] <joolz> but then you will miss a lot of integration between apps :(
[08:42] <xskoulax> i was thinking about checking out openbox at somepoint judging from the screens i've seen on gentoos forums that might be a nice option
[08:42] <joolz> ushooz, yes i know. How do i bind control-alt-p to the command 'gnome-terminal -e slrn'?
[08:43] <joolz> that's what i meant: you can bind keys to some predefined actions, nut (maybe) not to user defined actions
[08:43] <joolz> s/nut/but/
[08:44] <joolz> most near is 'show the panel run application, but that's sooo slow'
[08:44] <netguy> morning!
[08:47] <ushooz> joolz, that is a good point
[08:51] <ushooz> poking around GConf-editor... reminds me of Windows Registry
[08:52] <xskoulax> scary
[08:52] <joolz> ushooz, yes, that's my main concenr about gnome... (for me) it's a bit obscure what happens underneath.
[08:53] <Zindar> joolz: you can do that change in gconf
[08:54] <defendguin> i need unrar for ubuntu i dont see unrar in apt though
[08:55] <Zindar> joolz: here is what I have
[08:55] <Zindar> gconftool --get /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1
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[08:55] <ushooz> joolz, here is the key /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings
[08:55] <Zindar> gconftool --get /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1
[08:55] <Zindar> gnome-terminal
[08:56] <Zindar> ohh.. seams like you can do it in two different ways?
[08:56] <ushooz> looks that way
[08:56] <ushooz> at the Gnome level or the Windows Manager level
[08:57] <ushooz> interesting
[08:57] <ushooz> good stuff to know
[09:00] <defendguin> ugees
[09:00] <joolz> Zindar, thanks, i'll have a look. But right away there's this gnome obscuroty again :)
[09:00] <joolz> gconftool --get /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1 is hardly vim gnome.rc
[09:00] <joolz> and man gconftool doesn' exist
[09:01] <Zindar> joolz, thank god it's not
[09:03] <bvc> hiya all
[09:04] <bvc> anyone else's rhythmbox not saving imported songs/folders/playlist???
[09:12] <defendguin> hmmm gedit is crashing
[09:12] <defendguin> it wont start up
[09:12] <attitude> I keep getting Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[09:12] <attitude>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:13] <attitude> when I apt-get update
[09:13] <attitude> How can i fix this
[09:14] <bronson_> Can anyone tell me how to listen to streaming audio in Ubuntu?
[09:14] <bronson_> When I click on a link on somafm.com, I get "Totem doesn't have a plug-in to handle this"
[09:15] <attitude> I open my streaming with xmms or rythem box
[09:15] <bvc> gxine
[09:16] <bronson_> attitude: is your xmms automatic, or do you need to open the .pls files manually?
[09:16] <attitude> bronson_: automatic I just chose it when asked what I wanted to open with 
[09:17] <attitude> bronson_: are these mp3 streams you are trying to open?
[09:19] <SmokingFire> bronson_: I could tell you the solution
[09:19] <bronson_> attitude: good question.
[09:20] <bronson_> Turns out it wasn't mp3.
[09:20] <bronson_> MP3s streams work fine.
[09:20] <bronson_> SmokingFire: what's the solution?
[09:21] <SmokingFire> bronson_: install the gstreamer08-mad package.
[09:21] <attitude> Can anyone help me with an apt-get problem
[09:21] <attitude> or send me there sources.list file from /etc/apt
[09:21] <Dethread> what's the problem
[09:21] <SmokingFire> I heard you problem should be temp, next time you use it it should work
[09:22] <jason__> Hey
[09:22] <SmokingFire> Hey!
[09:22] <FLeiXiuS> Hey..
[09:22] <jason__> does anybody know when x.org 6.8 and XFCE 4.2 will be added to debian
[09:22] <jason__> ?
[09:22] <FLeiXiuS> x.org ew
[09:22] <SmokingFire> debian? this is ubuntu
[09:22] <attitude> when I run apt-get update i get SSub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:23] <bronson_> I can't wait for x.org.  My savage issues will just disappear.
[09:23] <SmokingFire> attitude: did you close synaptic and relaunch it?
[09:23] <FLeiXiuS> lol, XF86 will always live on :-D
[09:23] <attitude> I do not use symaptic I just run it from command line
[09:23] <Dethread> attitude, which repositories?
[09:24] <joolz> FLeiXiuS, xorg is xfree fork
[09:24] <SmokingFire> attitude: some dude in here told it was something that happens and normally goes away.
[09:24] <attitude> been going on about a week
[09:24] <SmokingFire> joolz: isn't xfree86 the real fork?
[09:24] <Dethread> attitude, http://img73.exs.cx/img73/6854/screen.png  <--- that's the sources I use
[09:24] <attitude> Dethread: I have them all uncommented
[09:24] <Dethread> that's probably your problem
[09:24] <Dethread> they're conflicting each other
[09:25] <joolz> SmokingFire, afaik xfree86 is the original. Then they did some weird things with their licensing and x.org was forked.
[09:25] <jason__> The Y window system will be the best though when it matures
[09:25] <jason__> then we just need some good desktops for it
[09:25] <bronson_> jason__: like ggi and all the others before it?
[09:25] <joolz> it is generally assumed that the main distro's will go to xorg. fedora has already done so
[09:25] <bronson_> Revolutionary windowing systems are a dime a dozen...
[09:25] <SmokingFire> joolz: I thought x.org was based on the original x with, yes, xfree86 additions.
[09:26] <jg__> joolz: and SuSE, and ....
[09:26] <joolz> SmokingFire, no, i don't think so. Hang on, i'll google a bit
[09:26] <attitude> Dethread: I made mine look like yours and still have the problem
[09:26] <jg__> SmokingFire: we based our code on XFree86 before the license nonesense...
[09:26] <SmokingFire> ok
[09:26] <jg__> since have added lots of nice stuff...
[09:27] <jg__> (including translucency, etc...)
[09:27] <jason__> nah bronson_ the Y server will own
[09:27] <defendguin> i guess gedit is not crashing for everyone
[09:27] <SmokingFire> makes me think about that fork that one of dev's of xfree86 did about a year ago, never heard about it again.
[09:27] <Dethread> attitude, do "apt-get clean"
[09:28] <Dethread> and then try again
[09:28] <calc> joolz: pretty much everyone have converted to xorg already, debian is just slow due to it being in "freeze"
[09:28] <calc> eternal freeze, heh ;)
[09:28] <jason__> maybe x.org will be good enough and it would to painful for most distros to switch to Y-windows so it could die but it looks awsome
[09:28] <attitude> Dethread: that worked
[09:28] <attitude> thanks
[09:28] <Dethread> no problem
[09:29] <calc> erm x.org isn't going to die
[09:29] <SmokingFire> Delaware seems a popular US place for paper companies
[09:29] <bronson_> jason__: it'll take many years before it makes sense to ask that question...
[09:30] <bronson_> Don't get me wrong, 2/3 of X is vestigial cruft.
[09:30] <bronson_> I'd like to see it disappear.  But the effort required is absolutely insane.
[09:30] <SmokingFire> But thats like the modern kernel
[09:30] <calc> bronson_: X is getting modularized as xlibs already has been
[09:30] <bronson_> SmokingFire: definitely.
[09:31] <SmokingFire> modern kernel has many stuff, as long as it only loads stuff on demand, I don't mind.
[09:31] <bronson_> calc: sure, but you still need to support outdated stuff like xresources.
[09:31] <SmokingFire> but load on demand!
[09:32] <calc> hmm i seem to not be seeing a lot of the drivers in debrix
[09:32] <jason__> the linux kernel will die in a couple years anyway when we all go multi-core anyway because microkernels are more efficient so that will bring rapid change to the current state of open source software
[09:33] <jason__> HURD will replace linux and bsd
[09:33] <crimsun> and duke nukem forever will be played by 100x more gamers than counterstrike.
[09:33] <jason__> come on
[09:34] <calc> jason__: er sure whatever
[09:34] <jason__> it would be stupid to run a macrokernel across many cores
[09:34] <jason__> unefficient
[09:34] <jason__> bloat 
[09:34] <jg__> ah, the trolls are out tonight....
[09:34] <calc> jason__: how does that differ substantially from linux running on thousand plus cpu systems now
[09:34] <jason__> like Windows :)
[09:34] <SmokingFire> jason__: microkernels are not more effiecent
[09:34] <jason__> says who?
[09:35] <SmokingFire> says many people
[09:35] <jason__> im not a troll I love linux
[09:35] <SmokingFire> latency
[09:35] <calc> anyone here familiar with the debrix work?
[09:35] <jason__> and OSS
[09:35] <SmokingFire> how will you deal with latency?
[09:35] <calc> jg__: any ideas? ;)
[09:35] <jg__> about what?
[09:35] <SmokingFire> Even Beos which used to be a somewhat microkernel noticed that running networking in kernel space is much much faster.
[09:35] <calc> jg__: the drivers appear to be missing on debrix, didn't know if you ever dealt with it
[09:36] <calc> a few of the drivers have been split into separate categories (in tla) but not sure where the rest went and daniels seems afk
[09:36] <jg__> calc: was working on 6.8; about to get back to the modularization...
[09:36] <SmokingFire> why the heck do you think that MS has a part of ISS (internet server) running in their kernel?
[09:36] <calc> jg__: i joined x.org this past week and am volunteering to help with it :)
[09:37] <jg__> SmokingFire: the processor runs at the same speed in kernel mode as user mode...
[09:37] <calc> jg__: i think clee is as well, but not certain
[09:37] <SmokingFire> microkernels will be always 20% slower
[09:37] <jason__> latency in current microkernel projects is due to sloppy code
[09:37] <SmokingFire> jg_ task switching has very high penalty on x86 cpu
[09:38] <SmokingFire> jason__: sloppy?
[09:38] <jg__> SmokingFire: X doesn't task switch much...
[09:38] <jg__> calc: I do ;-)
[09:39] <jason__> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MicroKernel
[09:39] <jason__> argue with the wiki
[09:39] <SmokingFire> jg_ but memory management and IO and many other tasks do.
[09:39] <dukeku> i use gnu/hurd
[09:39] <jg__> Discussing X is pretty orthogonal to microkernels.
[09:39] <calc> jg__: i know, its funny how other people are you telling you about it though ;) hehe
[09:39] <nate> mmm, hurd
[09:40] <jg__> calc: just because they don't know who I am... ;-)
[09:40] <jg__> calc: I suppose we should warn them, so they don't feel embarrassed....
[09:40] <SmokingFire> Basically as I understand it modern OS design says the microkernels are fine on paper but in reality they are not.
[09:40] <calc> perhaps its the extra _'s on your nick that confuse them ;)
[09:41] <jason__> but they will be better in the future as we find a better way to combine microkernels wrapped in a macrokernel
[09:41] <SmokingFire> macrokernel would be a HAL?
[09:41] <SmokingFire> If so windows NT already has that.
[09:42] <dukeku> and we all know windows nt is the king of operating systems!@$
[09:42] <joolz> nono, that's windows xp!
[09:42] <SmokingFire> Well its not bad, but then the windows 95 people got their hands on it.
[09:42] <SmokingFire> technically, windows nt is a very good OS.
[09:43] <jason__> XP isnt bad especially with SP2 but it isnt perfectly stable yet
[09:43] <SmokingFire> Its just the usermode additions and running every user as root that sucks.
[09:43] <jason__> and M$'s approach is terrible
[09:44] <SmokingFire> but the nt kernel is pretty good
[09:44] <calc> linux has a HAL too :)
[09:44] <jason__> although I'm glad they are improving sercurity
[09:44] <calc> its part of project utopia ;)
[09:44] <jason__> but I doubt I will ever use windows again
[09:44] <dukeku> i think we all know the real question is "do you pine for the dats of minix-1.1"?
[09:44] <jason__> I have been Windows free 100 percent for almost a week
[09:44] <jason__> it took me years
[09:44] <jason__> and I have finally broke the habbit
[09:44] <joolz> which reminds me... is there a repository with quake 1?
[09:45] <joolz> for ubuntu that is
[09:45] <SmokingFire> blaming windows IE problems on the OS like blaming linux kernel for gnome/kde problems.
[09:45] <jason__> there is for Quake 2
[09:45] <jason__> but that is all I have seen
[09:45] <joolz> nice. is it in universe?
[09:45] <jason__> yes
[09:46] <SmokingFire> I'm talking about a real HAL, meaning like a macrokernel on which the kernel runs, Win NT was designed for portability like .NET
[09:47] <SmokingFire> MS decides not to but they have the choice if a next gen cpu comes out thats not from intel.
[09:47] <jason__> Do you think they will go PowerPC?
[09:47] <jason__> with the Xbox2 being PowerPC and all
[09:47] <Mithrandir> SmokingFire: well, there's simply no way a new cpu which isn't instruction-compatible with x86 will gain a significant market share.
[09:47] <SmokingFire> They could if they wanted, but would it be worth the investment?
[09:47] <calc> jason__: they did, and dropped it years ago
[09:48] <SmokingFire> Mithrandir: but its a way to blackmail intel.
[09:48] <jason__> you mean the 2000 PowerPC beta?
[09:48] <calc> nt has been on at least, alpha, i386, ia64, mips, powerpc, x64
[09:48] <Mithrandir> SmokingFire: not really, no.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> calc: and sparc.
[09:48] <calc> Mithrandir: forgot about it
[09:48] <Zindar> they had alpha i386, powerpc and mips versions you could buy back in nt3.x
[09:49] <jason__> oh
[09:49] <Zindar> will xbox2 be powerpc?
[09:49] <jason__> yes
[09:49] <SmokingFire> Mithrandir: it keeps their options open, to refuse anything from intel.
[09:49] <calc> Zindar: rumored to be yes
[09:49] <Zindar> haha... cool :)
[09:49] <jason__> the Dev kits are G5s
[09:49] <jason__> it isnt a rumor
[09:49] <jason__> they just don't know the exact specs yet
[09:50] <jason__> most speculate around a dual-core 3-4 GHz G5
[09:50] <dukeku> they will run bsd
[09:50] <dukeku> it's dying just like risc
[09:50] <jason__> M$ run bsd?
[09:50] <SmokingFire> especially with .net if everyone would be using it like they use MFC on previous situations, then MS could run anywhere with 90% off the applications.
[09:51] <SmokingFire> MS has nothing against BSD, just hates GPL'ed linux
[09:52] <jason__> what about LGPL isn't it less restrictive?
[09:52] <dukeku> err
[09:52] <SmokingFire> Don't know but they are a commerical company that wants to take all freebies and sell as their own.
[09:53] <jason__> Like Apple or anybody else ;)
[09:53] <jason__> Sun
[09:53] <jason__> maybe even IBM if BlueOS is ever released or even shown to the public
[09:53] <SmokingFire> yup, got shareholders to keep happy.
[09:53] <jason__> but the corporations will die someday
[09:54] <jason__> and their closed source stuff will go with it
[09:54] <SmokingFire> all do, one time or another, but many spring up to get their places.
[09:54] <jason__> I can bet the GPL will be around in 200 years
[09:54] <jason__> M$ wont
[09:54] <SmokingFire> I read once that most companies live only for 30 years.
[09:55] <SmokingFire> Eventually, they can't adapt to the market and die or get taken over.
[09:55] <bronson_> The telling statistic is, "what old code still exists today?"
[09:55] <jason__> That makes sense, 30 years is a generation
[09:55] <bronson_> Proprietary stuff has all died out.
[09:55] <bronson_> The open stuff we're using now.  :)
[09:56] <SmokingFire> if they would just use ogg or something
[09:56] <jason__> I wish OGG was more popular
[09:56] <dukeku> ogg is a container :/
[09:56] <jason__> the compression ratios are insane
[09:57] <bronson_> jason__: you can't beat entropy.
[09:57] <SmokingFire> and then the video codec that BBC is developing and open source world would be better.
[09:57] <bronson_> In fair comparisons, ogg and mp3 are pretty similar as far as bit rates.
[09:57] <bronson_> ogg does a lot better on synthetic/electronic sounds.
[09:58] <opi> morning
[09:58] <SmokingFire> what about flac?
[09:58] <xskoulax> morning
[09:58] <bronson_> SmokingFire: beats the snot out of them of course.
[09:58] <SmokingFire> I'm thinking of encoding my cd collection and want to know what codec to use. 
[09:58] <bronson_> Because it's even heavier than 320 kbit.
[09:58] <crimsun> i use flac for classical
[09:58] <bronson_> If space is no issue, then FLAC no question.
[09:58] <jason__> if not use OGG Vorbis
[09:58] <SmokingFire> well I have only about 40GB for audio
[09:59] <SmokingFire> about 200 CD's
[09:59] <bronson_> Then it's more... subjective.
[09:59] <jason__> use OGG
[09:59] <SmokingFire> but must are singles
[09:59] <SmokingFire> most
[09:59] <bronson_> I find that 192 kbit is good for me.
[09:59] <dukeku> ogg is a container, dammit
[09:59] <dukeku> 'vorbis'
[09:59] <SmokingFire> dukeku: what do you mean?
[09:59] <opi> it's ogg vobis
[09:59] <dukeku> SmokingFire: ogg isn't a format
[10:00] <opi> like GNU/Linux ;)
[10:00] <dukeku> opi: it's vorbis inside of an ogg container
[10:00] <bronson_> 128 kbit is way too low... 160 is sometimes ok.
[10:00] <SmokingFire> ogg is the format and vorbis the encoding?
[10:00] <dukeku> no
[10:00] <dukeku> ogg is the container
[10:00] <bronson_> For my ears and audio equipment anyway.
[10:00] <jason__> theora is a video codec that runs in OGG
[10:00] <jason__> dont be so technical dukeku
[10:00] <jason__> we know ogg is a container
[10:01] <bronson_> dukeku: container, file format...  what's the difference?
[10:01] <SmokingFire> But I think fraunhofer mp3 encoder is much better then most like lame, do you hear the difference?
[10:01] <jason__> 128-160 OGG Vorbis is good
[10:01] <jason__> it is VBR
[10:01] <jason__> though
[10:01] <bronson_> jason__: 128 vorbis is way too low.
[10:01] <dukeku> bronson: think of a movie - .avi extension, xvid as the codec
[10:01] <calc> ogg is like avi
[10:01] <Dethread> I like lame, 190 vbr best
[10:01] <dukeku> avi is the container for the xvid movie and whatever audio
[10:01] <SmokingFire> jason__: good is not enough for me. I want good dynamics that mp3 seems to be missing.
[10:01] <calc> you can put anything in avi, including just audio
[10:02] <dukeku> jason__: i hope you're not encoding with a set bitrate
[10:02] <calc> same with ogg (more or less)
[10:02] <jason__> no
[10:02] <dukeku> calc: yeah.
[10:02] <jason__> I encode with LAME VBR hq settings
[10:02] <dukeku> err
[10:02] <dukeku> vorbis lame?
[10:02] <bronson_> SmokingFire: just FLAC it all.  Wish I had.
[10:03] <SmokingFire> but lets say that I don't want to save space but use vorbis, what settings would be the best?
[10:03] <bronson_> Then when you buy an MP3 player, just write a script and let it run for a week...
[10:03] <dukeku> SmokingFire: you don't want to save space? use flac :P
[10:03] <SmokingFire> Isn't flac like zipping the wavefile?
[10:03] <dukeku> uh, no
[10:03] <bronson_> SmokingFire: 192 is usually ok.
[10:03] <jason__> it is lossless
[10:03] <dukeku> it's somewhat like a parity file, iirc
[10:04] <SmokingFire> dukeku: no, I have limited space but its very big space but also very many cd's
[10:04] <SmokingFire> but zipping a wave is also lossless.
[10:04] <bronson_> Try zipping a wav, then FLACing it.  Big, big difference.
[10:04] <dukeku> if you're concerned about space, use ogg -q6, it's a nice balance between size and quality
[10:04] <bronson_> 3-4X.
[10:04] <bronson_> FLAC is optimized for audio.
[10:04] <dukeku> if you're not concerned, use flac
[10:04] <dukeku> and use -q8 if you have the time to spend encoding
[10:05] <joolz> anyone know what's the easiest way to let 2 pc's see eachothers HD via a swithc? I try nfs but i get "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused"
[10:05] <bronson_> I mean, zipping it VS. flacing it, of course.  :)
[10:05] <jason__> what do you use to rip duke?  Grip?
[10:05] <calc> FLAC will get you about 30-40% savings on a disc, so a 74min cd would be about 550MB
[10:05] <SmokingFire> Well I will test it, I would prefer flac but then maybe I have no choice but normally I would rip at 320 for MP3 and 256 for AAC.
[10:05] <dukeku> jason__: plenty of things
[10:06] <dukeku> i rip into flac, though
[10:06] <jason__> You can hear a difference between 220Kb/s Mp3 and 320Kb/s Smoking?
[10:06] <joolz> both pc's are ubuntu, so no firewall, and they cn ping each other
[10:06] <dukeku> i don't use mp3, period
[10:06] <SmokingFire> jason__: yes on my headphones not on speakers.
[10:06] <bronson_> calc: Usually I get better than 50% with flac.
[10:07] <dukeku> it takes too long to encode, takes too much space, and doesn't have the greatest quality
[10:07] <calc> bronson_: hmm last time i used it only did about 33%
[10:07] <bronson_> Probably just the music each of us listens to...
[10:07] <dukeku> calc: it really depends on the music you're converting and what -q you're using
[10:07] <jason__> yeah just use FLAC and if don't have enough space for everything either add some more hdd space in or only rip your favorites
[10:08] <calc> dukeku: flac not oggenc
[10:08] <dukeku> calc: i'm talking about flac :)
[10:08] <SmokingFire> well I don't mind taking a long time encoding as long as it interruptible and background process
[10:08] <calc> on flac i always set it to the most cpu intensive mode
[10:08] <jason__> FLAC works on most newer players too
[10:08] <dukeku> as do i
[10:08] <calc> dukeku: hmm i thought it used a different flag, but it has been a while since i used it
[10:09] <dukeku> calc: unless i'm insane, i'm fairly sure it uses -qx as well
[10:09] <dukeku> but it just represents the level of encoding, or however they put it
[10:09] <calc> dukeku: appears to just use -#
[10:09] <dukeku> ah
[10:09] <dukeku> yeah, i'm insane
[10:09] <dukeku> my bad.
[10:09] <bronson_> Is there any way to decode streaming aac on Linux?
[10:10] <bronson_> It appears that faad will only do files.
[10:10] <SmokingFire> As long as I can reboot my pc and it picks up where it left, then I'm happy, if its doesn't, it should
[10:10] <dukeku> when ripping classical with the most cpu-intensive flag, i'll get about 0.2-3x of the original size
[10:11] <calc> i think i was doing mostly rock type albums, which only got ~ 33% reduction in size
[10:11] <dukeku> yeah, those don't have a terribly large reduction
[10:11] <SmokingFire> well thats rock for you
[10:11] <bronson_> I bet Boston compresses really well, but Metallica doesn't...?
[10:11] <bronson_> Just a guess.  :)
[10:12] <dukeku> ahah
[10:12] <SmokingFire> you know the digital song format called MOD?
[10:12] <SmokingFire> its like midi I think
[10:12] <dukeku> i've seen it in the past
[10:12] <bronson_> SmokingFire: there's a bunch of mod/tracker formats.
[10:12] <bronson_> It was all the fad 5 years ago.
[10:12] <bronson_> They all sound like junk though!
[10:13] <SmokingFire> Well an ideal encoder should recognize an instrument and just play the notes of it, instead of sampling the whole song.
[10:13] <bronson_> SmokingFire: except that each strike of the drum has a different nuance.
[10:13] <bronson_> mod won't capture that.
[10:14] <bronson_> Mod makes all music sound like 80s synth pop.
[10:14] <SmokingFire> well, add effects to the sample of the drums. more cpu intensive but space saving.
[10:14] <bronson_> SmokingFire: like replacing windowing systems, there are many fallen projects that have tried to do exactly that...
[10:15] <SmokingFire> I didn't think it would be possible in real life, I mean how will an encoder that this particular sound freq is a drum and that a guitar.
[10:16] <ygnome> is there somewhere to report an installation failure?
[10:16] <bronson_> Right.  That would be waay harder than OCR or speech recognition.
[10:16] <Treenaks> bronson_: unless you made the songs that way from the very beginning
[10:16] <SmokingFire> CR seems the simplest from the list
[10:17] <SmokingFire> Treenaks: well house music would be suited.
[10:17] <SmokingFire> CR - OCR
[10:17] <bronson_> Treenaks: granted.
[10:18] <SmokingFire> but then you would be just using mod's wouldn't you
[10:18] <SmokingFire> modern day house was due to the grace of mod/trackers. Hate or love it.
[10:19] <SmokingFire> ygnome: bugzilla?
[10:19] <bronson_> SmokingFire: not sure I agree...
[10:20] <bronson_> More like due to the grace of Roland drum machines.  :)
[10:20] <SmokingFire> well mod/trackers where a poor mans drum machine
[10:21] <bronson_> Modern day house arists aren't poor men...
[10:21] <SmokingFire> they are when they start
[10:21] <calc> a drum machine isn't that expensive on ebay ;)
[10:22] <SmokingFire> well this is before the internet
[10:22] <bronson_> That's interesting.  I wonder how many of them got their start making pirate mods...
[10:22] <bronson_> Kind of like those of us who got started phreaking, then found assembly language to be way more interesting.
[10:22] <SmokingFire> but the better house muscians tended to use that apple program qbase or something.
[10:23] <calc> phreaking was already obsolete by the time i found out about it ;)
[10:23] <calc> i guess i'm not old enough, must really have been for people now over 40
[10:23] <SmokingFire> but mod's where also used in games!
[10:23] <bronson_> I managed to catch the very tail end of it.  I'm only 32.
[10:24] <calc> probably doesn't hurt that my city was one of the first to get digital switches
[10:24] <bronson_> But the authorities were definitely closing in...
[10:24] <SmokingFire> I'm 27 and owned an amiga 1200 thats how I got into the scene
[10:25] <SmokingFire> did some mod's my self in octamed, the amiga program for trackers.
[10:26] <jason__> My first PC was a P1 133
[10:26] <jason__> but I am only 18
[10:26] <calc> mine was atari 400
[10:26] <SmokingFire> my first would be an apple that my farther owned, don't remember what it was but it had no gui.
[10:26] <ygnome> SmokingFire: the webpage says setup a wiki page about it, but I can't see any others. Is there a place or not?
[10:27] <SmokingFire> ygnome: your looking for bugzilla?
[10:27] <Zindar> SmokingFire, apple II probably
[10:28] <bronson_> ygnome: FWIW, when my Ubuntu install failed I managed to bootstrap from Knoppix.
[10:28] <bronson_> I wrote a page about that on the wiki.
[10:28] <jason__> How many people actually own the wooden Apple I's?
[10:28] <ygnome> bronson: link?
[10:29] <SmokingFire> Zindar: this was in the early 80's. I remember a game I loved playing on it was about a helicopter saving humans (however this was non graphical like nibbles)
[10:29] <bronson_> Wiki -> Documentation.
[10:29] <ygnome> SmokingFire: I'm looking for the best place to describe an install failure.
[10:29] <SmokingFire> ygnome: tps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ thats what I think
[10:29] <SmokingFire> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[10:29] <ygnome> bronson: k. I'll have a look.
[10:30] <bronson_> ygnome: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[10:30] <ygnome> SmokingFire: ok, but I'll probably give up on it, bugzilla aint my favorite...
[10:31] <SmokingFire> Is there some indix for wiki, there are many articles I didn't know existed.
[10:31] <SmokingFire> index
[10:31] <ygnome> SmokingFire: has ubuntu got a reportbug like debian?
[10:32] <SmokingFire> ygnome: never used deb, but ubuntu as far as I know hasn't
[10:32] <SmokingFire> ygnome: you could always mail it to the mailinglist
[10:33] <Zindar> SmokingFire, applications -> system tools -> bug report tool
[10:33] <Zindar> oh
[10:33] <Zindar> ygnome sorry
[10:33] <ygnome> SmokingFire: ok, I'll take a look at what I can do.
[10:33] <SmokingFire> wiki needs some google like interface. Search would be ubuntu site search, directory would be wiki index based and groups would be the mailing lists
[10:33] <tvon|x31> bug report tool just opens up firefox
[10:33] <ygnome> Zindar: thanks. I can't get there because install fails
[10:34] <Zindar> ygnome, that's just bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[10:34] <ygnome> I suppose firefox could be considered a bug report tool amoungst other things...
[10:34] <Zindar> you can go there anyway
[10:35] <SmokingFire> but I agree bugzilla interface is not very userfriendly.
[10:35] <ygnome> Zindar: yup. I'll give it a go, just taking some patience improving medication.
[10:36] <SmokingFire> is x.org better at mice's then xfree?
[10:37] <SmokingFire> I want to configure my mouse buttons like I can my multimedia keyboard.
[10:40] <bronson_> SmokingFire: not afaik but I of course defer to jg__ on this one.
[10:41] <SmokingFire> bronson_: well I don' t want personal support on it, just that gnome or x or what ever component support multi button mice.
[10:41] <Dethread> hm, is http://www.ubuntufaq.org working for anyone?
[10:41] <bronson_> SmokingFire: X supports multibutton mice natively.
[10:41] <SmokingFire> Dethread: not for me
[10:42] <SmokingFire> bronson meaning more then three
[10:42] <attitude> Nope getting php errors
[10:42] <bronson_> Problem is, no software takes advantage of it.
[10:42] <ygnome> not for me either.
[10:42] <bronson_> I know.  I used to have a 7-button mouse.
[10:42] <Dethread> hm, ok thanks
[10:42] <bronson_> X saw all the buttons fine but damned if I could make anything over 5 useful.
[10:42] <bronson_> (4&5 are the mouse wheel)
[10:43] <SmokingFire> bronson on win2k fresh install my back and foreward buttons work in explorer, IE and firefox without install any drivers.
[10:43] <jason__> they use the MS Explorer drivers
[10:43] <SmokingFire> could be but its a logitech connected on ps/2
[10:43] <jason__> is it an MX500,510,700,900,or 1000?
[10:44] <SmokingFire> 500
[10:44] <jason__> nope it has to do with your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 
[10:44] <SmokingFire> really, I thought it was impossible,
[10:45] <jason__> nope I have the same mouse
[10:45] <tolle> bronson I got a 310mx, however i do not need more then 3 buttons and a wheel, so i havnt configured it yet.
[10:45] <SmokingFire> x.org faq just said it supported three buttons
[10:45] <attitude> SmokingFire: You can google, there are tons of people using those in linux with all buttons. I seen one guy had some bound to 3ddesktop so he could get the cube
[10:45] <tolle> bronson_: I have done it before, and theres even a nice howto on gentoos forums.
[10:45] <RQ> heya
[10:46] <bronson_> tolle: to get the extra buttons to do what?
[10:46] <attitude> tolle: I for got about that one
[10:46] <jason__> for some reason you cant get back and forward buttons working in Konqueror but you can in Firefox or any other browser
[10:46] <SmokingFire> attitude: I have seen one but it required a kernel extension, I think that's to much for just some extra buttons.
[10:46] <RQ> where do i get this theme? :) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/login.png
[10:46] <attitude> SmokingFire: no kernel hack just a conf file edit
[10:46] <tolle> bronson_ you pick, you can bind basicly anything to them.
[10:46] <ygnome> SmokingFire: ubuntu wiki index: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/TitleIndex
[10:46] <tvon|x31> RQ: ubuntu-artwork package
[10:46] <bronson_> RQ: apt-get update
[10:47] <SmokingFire> I mean everytime I push a button on the mouse the kernel should get an interupt message. now hook that unique interupt to an action.
[10:47] <jason__> Section "InputDevice"
[10:47] <jason__>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[10:47] <jason__>         Driver          "mouse"
[10:47] <jason__>         Option          "CorePointer"
[10:47] <jason__>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[10:47] <jason__>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[10:47] <jason__>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[10:47] <jason__>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[10:47] <jason__>  Options   "Buttons" "7"EndSection
[10:47] <RQ> tvon|x31, bronson, what's the deb line? 
[10:47] <attitude> SmokingFire: I think x takes it not the kernel
[10:47] <jason__> opps that last thing is suppose to be option
[10:47] <Dethread> RQ, after doing apt-get update, do apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[10:47] <bronson_> tolle: OK, gestures.
[10:47] <RQ> Dethread, i'm a regular_debian user
[10:47] <bronson_> I wanted to set up gestures to use button 6.
[10:47] <RQ> so i need a line in sources.list
[10:47] <RQ> ;] 
[10:48] <bronson_> I struggled for like a week and shot off a few emails before giving up.
[10:48] <Dethread> RQ, use the ubuntu universe source
[10:48] <RQ> mhm
[10:48] <bronson_> Then I tried to configure them as forward/back buttons.
[10:48] <bronson_> Then I gave up.
[10:48] <tolle> bronson_: thats easier.
[10:49] <bronson_> tolle: what, forward/back?
[10:49] <jason__> http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html
[10:49] <jason__> here this will help
[10:49] <jason__> If you follow that it should work for you
[10:49] <jason__> it did for me
[10:49] <tolle> bronson_: yeah
[10:49] <SmokingFire> thanks ygnome
[10:49] <RQ> Dethread, what is the sources.list line for ubuntu universe source?
[10:50] <tolle> bronson_: check out imwheel
[10:50] <SmokingFire> thanks jason__
[10:50] <attitude> jason__: amazing what you can find when you google
[10:50] <bronson_> ick.
[10:50] <jason__> n/p glad to help
[10:50] <bronson_> imwheel was the source of most of my problems.
[10:50] <bronson_> it would work in 1 app but break 3 others.
[10:50] <Zindar> RQ: should already be in source.lists... you just need to uncomment it (universe that it)
[10:50] <bronson_> I couldn't get a configuration that worked everywhere.
[10:50] <SmokingFire> attitude: if you like me are a pre google generation, you would think google is a world wonder like the pyramids.
[10:51] <Dethread> RQ, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[10:51] <tolle> you can make different rules for different apps
[10:51] <RQ> Dethread, thanks ;)
[10:51] <RQ> Zindar, no it doesn't come with debian
[10:51] <jason__> where didnt it work
[10:51] <Dethread> RQ, and then also deb-src sameasabove
[10:51] <jason__> it should in Firefox
[10:51] <RQ> thanks :)
[10:51] <tolle> bronson_: use the gentoo forums, they have loads off stuff about that.
[10:51] <attitude> SmokingFire: I am 28 and I love google
[10:51] <SmokingFire> did you have internet before google?
[10:51] <bronson_> tolle: yeah, I used to run gentoo.  I think I've seen some of that.
[10:51] <attitude> SmokingFire: old man compared to most now
[10:51] <attitude> yep
[10:52] <tolle> Im 19, and Im also a fan of google.
[10:52] <Dethread> who isn't...
[10:52] <attitude> SmokingFire: I have had the internet for 10 years
[10:52] <SmokingFire> when I started portals and altavista where the things.
[10:52] <jason__> I hear when you get old you get more hair on your ass as you lose it on your head is this true?
[10:52] <attitude> I started on BBS
[10:52] <jason__> ;)
[10:52] <bronson_> Browsing around, it appears nothing's changed.
[10:53] <SmokingFire> jason__: thats true
[10:53] <attitude> jason__: lol I must not be old
[10:53] <jason__> attitude do you use Viagra or Cialis yet?
[10:53] <attitude> jason__: :P
[10:53] <bronson_> That glarung page just maps buttons 4&5 to type ^X and ^V.
[10:53] <bronson_> That's useless.
[10:53] <attitude> jason__: not had a problem yet
[10:53] <SmokingFire> jason__: we use pictures of you naked mother.
[10:53] <jason__> my mom has nude pics?
[10:54] <SmokingFire> she does
[10:54] <jason__> ewww
[10:54] <SmokingFire> google for jason__ mother nude xxx pics
[10:54] <attitude> lol
[10:54] <bronson_> Nope, 2 years later it appears to me that nothing's changed...
[10:54] <bronson_> Extra mouse buttons on Linux are useless.
[10:55] <bronson_> Unless you count launching apps or simulating keyboard presses as useful...
[10:55] <attitude> bronson_: for the most part they do not do much on most os
[10:55] <bronson_> I think it's going to take Gnome/KDE integration to fix this.
[10:55] <attitude> os x does uses them pretty good but other then that nothing
[10:55] <SmokingFire> bronson I want it to work like configing the keyboard short cuts.
[10:55] <tolle> I prefer to have the thumb button work as the third button.
[10:56] <tolle> More buttons are only usable in games..
[10:56] <bronson_> SmokingFire: well, that's reasonably easy.  See the page that (jason__?) posted earlier.
[10:56] <attitude> anyone got anytips for setting up a war room?
[10:57] <jason__> use the universe apt repository to get imwheel
[10:57] <SmokingFire> I like my back and forward mouse buttons, that work on windows but then they are not really important. But I got three more mouse buttons that I could configure for anything like opening /home or start an application.
[10:57] <SmokingFire> bronson thought you were complaining
[10:57] <bronson_> Gentlemen, you can't fight in here.  This is the war room!
[10:58] <SmokingFire> jason__: what is imwheel?
[10:58] <jason__> it is used for handling extra buttons
[10:58] <bronson_> SmokingFire: it's either an observation on the lack of mouse support or a complaint... not sure which.
[10:59] <SmokingFire> bronson you mean out of the box?
[10:59] <bronson_> No, I mean at all.
[10:59] <jason__> it does work
[10:59] <attitude> I have somthing that I have been thinking about. Why is vim vim.org in ubuntu
[10:59] <jason__> it took me a couple tries
[10:59] <SmokingFire> but as you said that the page that jason__ mentioned ( i bookmarked it) would solve the problem.
[10:59] <tvon|x31> vim.org?
[10:59] <bronson_> Extra mouse buttons are not integrated into Gnome or KDE the way they should be.
[11:00] <tvon|x31> oh weird
[11:00] <SmokingFire> like openoffice.org or .NET
[11:00] <SmokingFire> ooh, you are talking about DE support
[11:00] <bronson_> I just want forward and back to wokr.
[11:00] <bronson_> Or horizontal scroll.
[11:00] <SmokingFire> with the tilt wheel
[11:00] <bronson_> Or somthing more useful than simulating keypresses...
[11:01] <jason__> xmod in conjuction with imwheel does that
[11:01] <SmokingFire> how come win200 is able to support it? I mean its almost 6 years old.
[11:01] <jason__> just follow the guid
[11:02] <jason__> guide*
[11:02] <attitude> I have somthing that I have been thinking about. Why is vim vim.org in ubuntu
[11:02] <jason__> why not?
[11:02] <bronson_> Multiple mouse buttons in Metacity: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108775
[11:02] <SmokingFire> I just want to understand why new devices are able to modify windows behaviour but not GNome nor KDE.
[11:03] <jason__> because windows has built in support for back and foward buttons because M$ makes mice that have that function and the drivers are built it
[11:03] <jason__> built-in*
[11:04] <jason__> the explorer drivers are compatible with the Logitech MX mice
[11:04] <bronson_> Yeah, because X supports it, it should be pretty easy.
[11:04] <bronson_> It's just that nobody's written the code yet.
[11:04] <bronson_> (for Gnome/KDE/etc)
[11:04] <jason__> infact the Logitech drivers themselves are crappy if you ever used them in windows
[11:05] <jason__> most people just use the MS Explorer drivers
[11:05] <jason__> I wish I could get the extra buttons on my Logitech Elite to work with X and a window manager
[11:06] <bronson_> That's funny.
[11:06] <jason__> there would be feat
[11:06] <bronson_> afaict, nobody's even filed a bug against the lack of multipl emouse button support in Gnome.
[11:06] <SmokingFire> but firefox on windows also recognize the mouse buttons
[11:06] <Zindar> but gnome supports it just fine
[11:06] <Zindar> and firefox...
[11:06] <bronson_> Zindar: horizontal?
[11:06] <Zindar> I can go back with scroll-left... forward with scroll-right
[11:06] <Zindar> bronson_:yes
[11:06] <attitude> SmokingFire: that is because it does not matter about the app just the window manager
[11:06] <Zindar> bronson_: works fine
[11:07] <jason__> I have been telling him this
[11:07] <jason__> http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html
[11:07] <jason__> guide
[11:07] <solsTiCe> after fixinf the postfix bug of /etc/aliases.db not created , i read my mail as root (after a sudo -s) with mail. It saved my mail in /home/solstice/mbox. but indead there is non mbox folder in my home ! Is it normal that $HOME is still /home/solstice when i sudo -s ??
[11:07] <SmokingFire> but you mean that firefox windows hooks into mouse driver
[11:07] <bronson_> jason__: you didn't see my reply above?
[11:07] <Zindar> solsTiCe, yeah.. you want "sudo su - "
[11:08] <bronson_> jason__: all that guy does is map the extra buttons to ^X ^V.  useless imo.
[11:08] <attitude> brb
[11:08] <SmokingFire> jason__: I bookmarked it 
[11:08] <jason__> did you restart your x server
[11:08] <jason__> ?
[11:08] <bronson_> solsTiCe: yes.
[11:08] <jason__> alt+ctl+backspace
[11:08] <bronson_> sorry, sudo, not su.
[11:08] <SmokingFire> who me?
[11:08] <bronson_> if you were using su, you'd have to say "su -"
[11:09] <solsTiCe> Zindar: yep don't think of that. because it is written all around to use sudo -s in the wiki ... . I don't know sudo well ...
[11:09] <jason__> Bronson you can get them to work with Firefox though
[11:09] <jason__> for back and forward
[11:09] <Zindar> solsTiCe, I know.. sudo -s is good for doing some things.. but since $HOME isn't changed it's kinda dangerous
[11:09] <solsTiCe> I lost my email ... yes sudo su - is better !
[11:10] <bronson_> jason__: That's good to hear.  I'll try again when I have some time.
[11:10] <SmokingFire> Hey what about this question
[11:11] <SmokingFire> Hi, I'm linux noob that got ubuntu from a friend, when can I play my games on ubuntu?
[11:11] <jason__> which games?
[11:11] <bronson_> solsTiCe: you just need to open a login shell so you start with a clean env.  "su -" does this.  I don't see any easy way to get sudo to do it though...
[11:11] <joem> uh, his games..
[11:11] <SmokingFire> I want to play duke nuke'm forever
[11:11] <solsTiCe> Zindar: with sudo su - i got a login shell and a got my pred prompt to remember me i am root !
[11:12] <bronson_> solsTiCe: er, what does sudo get you in that case...?
[11:12] <jason__> we then you'll have to wait forever then I'm afraid
[11:12] <jason__> as that game will never come out
[11:12] <Zindar> solsTiCe, exactly
[11:12] <SmokingFire> How about the sims?
[11:12] <jason__> Cedega will run the Sims
[11:12] <solsTiCe> bronson_: what ? which case ?
[11:12] <SmokingFire> Why can't I play it on ubuntu
[11:13] <jason__> Cedega is a windows DirectX Wine front-end
[11:13] <bronson_> solsTiCe: why not just "su -"?
[11:13] <jason__> and plays all the popular windows games
[11:13] <SmokingFire> DirectX, wine? <--- pretending to be total noob
[11:13] <solsTiCe> bronson_: because un ubuntu root as no apsswd. i use su - in my other distro. yes
[11:13] <calc> there is also a linux version of the sims, not sure if its still available though
[11:13] <jason__> but games like the unreal games and quake games and doom games run natively in Linux
[11:13] <jason__> calc: it just used Wine it wasn't native
[11:14] <jason__> it was availible from mandrakesoft
[11:14] <calc> jason__: ah ok
[11:14] <SmokingFire> but I don't like violent games, I like command and conquer (lol)
[11:14] <jason__> C&C Generals runs in Cedega
[11:14] <jason__> and all the Blizzard games too
[11:15] <jason__> I play WarCraft III in it on Battle.net
[11:15] <SmokingFire> That is very nice, where do I get this cedega?
[11:15] <jason__> well it isnt free but www.transgaming.com
[11:17] <SmokingFire> I downloaded a warez version of openoffice.org last week, however I'm having problems with it, where do I get free support, remember its warez.
[11:18] <solsTiCe> SmokingFire: what is the point of having a warez version of openoffice.org while you can have for free ?
[11:18] <SmokingFire> I'm thinking of starting a binary newsgroup for openoffice warez
[11:18] <joem> SmokingFire, #offtopic can offer support
[11:18] <joem> check in there
[11:18] <jason__> OpenOffice comes with Ubuntu
[11:18] <bronson_> D00D, I just got a 0-day Firefox browser!!!
[11:18] <bronson_> Want to trade?
[11:18] <SmokingFire> ubuntu ships with warez?
[11:19] <jason__> err n/m
[11:19] <jason__> Openoffice is fre
[11:19] <jason__> free
[11:19] <JStrike> jdub : Do you handle any of the admin stuff?
[11:19] <bronson_> OK, time for bed.
[11:19] <bronson_> Goodnight all.
[11:19] <jason__> me too
[11:19] <SmokingFire> bronson what do want, I got abiword, requires serial
[11:20] <jason__> yeah man emacs need a crack and keygen for me too
[11:20] <jason__> lol
[11:20] <jason__> and vim
[11:21] <SmokingFire> yeah then I found liked ubuntu shipped with all this cracked software.
[11:21] <jason__> indeed
[11:21] <bronson_> Yeah.  gaim doesn't even require a dongle!
[11:21] <jason__> it is such a piracy haven
[11:21] <SmokingFire> must be russian or chinese
[11:21] <jason__> OMG somebody is uploading GAIM on my dumbsite
[11:22] <jason__> maybe I'll need a crack for it 
[11:22] <jason__> ;)
[11:22] <SmokingFire> I found this site its www.gnuwarez.org got all the latest stuff.
[11:22] <JStrike> Are all the Ubuntu'ers asleep?
[11:22] <xskoulax> no
[11:23] <jason__> yeah Linux is just a front for piracy
[11:23] <jason__> it is just a conspiracy
[11:23] <xskoulax> ARRRGH
[11:23] <JStrike> xskoulax : Is that in reply to me?
[11:23] <xskoulax> yea
[11:23] <SmokingFire> he is into it JStrike
[11:23] <jason__> time for sleep
[11:23] <jason__> bye
[11:23] <JStrike> Great.
[11:23] <xskoulax> cya
[11:23] <SmokingFire> openoffice warez
[11:24] <jason__> Ill send you my Mplayer warez
[11:24] <JStrike> xskoulax : Do you handle any of the admin stuff?
[11:24] <jason__> when I get up
[11:24] <xskoulax> no
[11:24] <xskoulax> first day on the chan
[11:24] <SmokingFire> www.gnu.org has many warez
[11:24] <xskoulax> first day really using ubuntu, gets my vote so far though
[11:24] <attitude> Got postfix to use maildir 
[11:24] <JStrike> xskoulax :Any idea who does the Ubuntu/Canonical admin 
[11:24] <attitude> now I feel better
[11:25] <SmokingFire> I'm mark shuttleworth!
[11:25] <SmokingFire> no I'm really batman
[11:25] <JStrike> SmokingFire : No your're not
[11:25] <JStrike> :-)
[11:25] <aj> hrm, does ubuntu support the G4 ibooks and airport extreme and so forth?
[11:26] <SmokingFire> airport is just wifi right?
[11:26] <xskoulax> i don't beleive any linux has drivers for the airport extreme
[11:26] <xskoulax> its a broadcom device and they won't make drivers or release specs
[11:26] <aj> gah, sleep/suspend doesn't work on the new iBooks either??
[11:27] <xskoulax> last i heard anyways, try #gentoo-ppc for more info
[11:27] <aj> airport = 802.11b; airport extreme = 802.11g
[11:27] <SmokingFire> thought it was just relabeled 10 mbs wifi
[11:27] <xskoulax> the ppl seem to have an idea when it comes to the apples
[11:27] <JStrike> xskoulax : Could you tell me who would be able to check to see if my cd's have shipped yet? I have been waiting a couple of weeks now
[11:27] <xskoulax> JStrike, i'm just a user
[11:27] <xskoulax> i havn't an idea
[11:28] <aj> xskoulax: tnx
[11:28] <JStrike> xskoulax : Why did you reply when I asked who was on the Ubuntu team?
[11:28] <JStrike> jdub, sabdfl : Who does the admin stuff for Ubuntu/Canonical?
[11:29] <xskoulax> u asked me about admin stuff, i said no
[11:29] <SmokingFire> JStrike: mailing list seems to get dev's replies 
[11:29] <xskoulax> i missed the 2nd time of asking
[11:29] <Zindar> JStrike, no cd's has been shipped yet... the release hasn't happened yet
[11:29] <xskoulax> srry i can't help
[11:29] <Zindar> JStrike, wait til the release on wednessday.. after that they will ship them
[11:29] <maskie> JStrike, the cd will only ship after the final has been released around the 20th oct
[11:29] <JStrike> Zindar : Are the cd's only for the .0 release? 
[11:29] <JStrike> Damn
[11:30] <Zindar> JStrike, yes
[11:30] <enabl> how do i set dma on for my dvd/rw drives?
[11:30] <Zindar> enabl, hdparm -d1 /dev/blaha
[11:30] <JStrike> Argh....So this means a couple of more weeks of waiting
[11:30] <SmokingFire> will the people who ordered get a nice package with the cd's like printed cd's and cd covers?
[11:31] <Zindar> enabl, then edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:31] <Zindar> no idea
[11:31] <enabl> that gives a HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted error 
[11:31] <SmokingFire> sudo <command>
[11:31] <Zindar> enabl, run it with "sudo " before
[11:32] <enabl> yeah i did
[11:32] <Zindar> strange..  hardware/driver that doesn't support dma?
[11:33] <enabl> its all new stuff, its a shame as the cpu usage is crazy as it is
[11:50] <PandU> can anybody suggest a news reader better than Liferea for ubuntu
[11:51] <PandU> Thats a news feed reader
[11:51] <solsTiCe> PandU: well better than liferea is hard to find 
[11:52] <PandU> I am having a problem with debianplanet feed with Liferea
[11:53] <PandU> I am using thsi link http://www.debianplanet.org/module.php?mod=node&op=feed
[11:59] <jonah> yip
[12:01] <Zindar> PandU, I use blam
[12:01] <Zindar> it's good
[12:02] <joolz> PandU, i just tried the feed in liferea, it's fine
[12:02] <Snubbel> hi@all
[12:02] <__daniel> PandU, i tried blam, straw and liferea, but i came back to liferea again :-)
[12:04] <PandU> joolz, Are you using ubuntu amd64
[12:05] <PandU> may be its the amd64 version of Liferea
[12:05] <joolz> PandU, no intel 686
[12:06] <joolz> PandU, have you tried starting it from a terminal, see if there's any error messages. Checked logs?
[12:07] <arturaz> hey, how i should be able to play video files with totem?
[12:07] <arturaz> even marillats w32codecs doesn't work
[12:07] <PandU> joolz, What do you mean the program is working for other feeds just this one is always giving error
[12:08] <joolz> it was working for other feeds before. Now i added your link and it's just fine
[12:08] <joolz> so the feed seems to be ok, must be a client side issue then
[12:09] <arturaz> ** (totem:6024): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[12:09] <arturaz> nice...
[12:09] <joolz> arturaz, better get mplayer
[12:09] <joolz> (imho)
[12:10] <__daniel> arturaz, do u use totem-gstreamer?
[12:10] <__daniel> totem-xine worked better for me
[12:13] <arturaz> daniel_shower, me too :)
[12:13] <iceman_> hi there
[12:13] <arturaz> gstreamer is too unstable
[12:19] <malte`> i cannot get aptitude to remove a package's dependencies when i remove it, why'
[12:20] <Lathiat> malte`: Because those dependencies might be used by somethign else, aptitude has no way of knowing
[12:20] <malte`> i read that aptitude can find unused ones
[12:20] <malte`> and remove them
[12:20] <malte`> i tried installing (for example) xsidplay, that installs a lib too
[12:20] <Lathiat> extreme example: falconseye is a graphical shell over nethack, if you install falconseye itl install nethack, if you remove falconseye how does it know if you still want to use nethack itself?
[12:21] <malte`> but that lib is unused from the rest of the system
[12:21] <Lathiat> malte`: theres an option for that i think, but be careful and remove stuff with discreation
[12:21] <malte`> ah
[12:21] <malte`> k
[12:21] <Lathiat> you need to install deborphan
[12:21] <Lathiat> for it to work
[12:21] <malte`> thanks!
[12:35] <Hmmmmm_> guys do we get wharty tomorrow?
[12:49] <Zindar> Hmmmm, wednesday I belive
[12:49] <Zindar> oh..
[12:49] <Zindar> he left
[12:49] <Zindar> :)
[12:51] <iceman_> hey
[12:52] <iceman_> does ubuntu comes up with an hdparm configuration ?
[12:52] <Zindar> iceman_, what do you mean?
[12:52] <Zindar> iceman_, you can set hdparm conf using /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:52] <iceman_> I am using a debian unstable on the other hd
[12:52] <iceman_> and ubuntu is faster than sid to open programs, etc
[12:53] <iceman_> so I think about some conf of hdparm optimized by ubuntu
[12:53] <joolz> iceman_, i think so too. I played a little with hdpram. On my fedora it fastened things up *a lot*
[12:53] <joolz> on ubuntu it only slowed down
[12:54] <joolz> so it seems the default (wherever they are :) are fine
[12:54] <joolz> something else, i get this message at boot: localhost kernel: PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably
[12:54] <iceman_> yes, in fact the default conf for hdparm (hdparm.conf) is the same of the hdparm of debian
[12:55] <joolz> so i changed menu.lst: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash nobiospnp
[12:55] <joolz> but it didn't help
[12:56] <joolz> I have this on two machines, so little chance that the BIOSsen are corrupt
[12:56] <joolz> Anyone know a workarounf for this nobiospnp issue?
[12:57] <iceman_> uhm dunno
[01:02] <lothario> I get the following line in dmesg, can someone help me understand what it means?
[01:03] <lothario> Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
[01:04] <jeanlouis> hi
[01:05] <jeanlouis> someone know where I can set my PATH 
[01:05] <jeanlouis> In my .bash_profile
[01:05] <jeanlouis> it doesn't work
[01:06] <jeanlouis> I need to do source .bash_profile
[01:06] <cef> looked in .bashrc ?
[01:08] <saptah> hi.
[01:20] <joolz> anyone familiar with spamassassin? Mine false-positives good email on account of an "AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment"
[01:20] <joolz> *grr*
[01:20] <Treenaks> joolz: make it learn..
[01:20] <joolz> yes, i'm doing that, but only --spam. Maybe i should do --ham too
[01:21] <joolz> weird though... it was runnign ok on my previous system. I copied the lot over to ubuntu and now it does this.
[01:22] <joolz> Well... whole lotta leraning to do :)
[01:30] <lupex> Hi. I need to recompile my kernel to support special hardware. uname reports that I am using 2.6.8.1-2-386 (I haven't recompiled the kernel, so it should be the stock ubuntu kernel), but I wasn't able to find a matching package with synaptic. Where do I find the original kernel sources (and configuration) used to compile my stock ubuntu kernel?
[01:30] <tolle> its called linux-sources
[01:30] <tolle> or something like that.
[01:31] <lupex> tolle, thanks. Found it.
[01:33] <__daniel> bye
[01:39] <Chedich> are the ShipIt CD really 100% free of charge?
[01:39] <sivang> Chedich : yes
[01:39] <daniels> absolutely
[01:39] <sivang> Chedich : Please note also the clarification about the _amounts_ of cds 
[01:40] <sivang> hey daniels, whassup?
[01:40] <joolz> woops, I found out what's the problem with spamassassin. A few days ago i mailed myself some recipe files from another account. That's now poisoned
[01:41] <joolz> will rm -rf ~/.spamassassin give me a 100% clean start with SA?
[01:43] <daniels> sivang: not much
[01:44] <sivang> daniels : I really liked your web spot btw, with photos etc :)
[01:44] <daniels> sivang: which one?
[01:45] <CHS> daniels: so you are the guy who is responsible that ubuntu rocks on my X40? thanks :-)
[01:46] <ploum> http://frimouvy.org/wiki/CompaqPresario
[01:46] <ploum> my install on a old laptop
[01:46] <daniels> CHS: it's not my fault -- the acpi support is flawless and mjg59 originally did the scripts
[01:46] <mvdr> hello mr ploum/lio
[01:47] <tolle> Is there any package in the base ubuntu package tree that contains the unrar command?
[01:47] <ploum> hello mvdr , on se connait ?
[01:47] <CHS> daniels: btw: are there plans for supsend to disk? 
[01:47] <mjg59> daniels: Rock
[01:47] <mjg59> CHS: In Hoary
[01:48] <daniels> CHS: hoary will have it, probably swsusp
[01:48] <mjg59> 2.6.9 makes it massively more stable than 2.6.8, but it's too late for Warty
[01:48] <daniels> CHS: but it only uses ~5% for every 8h in suspend-to-RAM
[01:48] <daniels> CHS: so not much point
[01:48] <daniels> mjg59: um, I've not had any problems with the acpi.sf.net patch (default Warty kernel)
[01:48] <mjg59> daniels: For suspend-to-disk
[01:48] <mjg59> The acpi code doesn't actually touch it
[01:49] <daniels> ah, bong
[01:49] <CHS> daniels: suspend-to-RAM is everything i need but suspend-to-DISK just would be cool :)
[01:49] <mjg59> swsusp has got fast recently, too
[01:49] <sivang> daniels : there's a one with photos of you on some trip, and some debian conference :)
[01:49] <mjg59> suspend-to-RAM is getting to the point where there's only a few problems, and there's only one of them that we don't understand in the slightest
[01:49] <sivang> daniels : actually, I'd love to have this link again - I lost my bookmarks since then.
[01:49] <daniels> sivang: http://fooishbar.org/gallery/ ?
[01:50] <sivang> daniels : exactly!
[01:50] <daniels> sivang: (all the photos of trees were from when I got bored and decided to see how long my camera battery could last -- I think the answer was about 500 photos)
[01:50] <mjg59> daniels: Oh, yeah, I was supposed to tell you what was needed from CVS dbus for Beagle...
[01:50] <CHS> mjg59: ath0 has no problem with suspend?
[01:50] <daniels> mjg59: if you wanted a backport, yeah ;)
[01:51] <daniels> CHS: not at all
[01:51] <sivang> daniels : boy, she's an enregizer bunny :)
[01:51] <daniels> CHS: i don't bother removing ath_pci, and it works fine
[01:51] <daniels> sivang: heh
[01:51] <mjg59> daniels: The BusDriver.cs stuff in the mono directory
[01:51] <daniels> mjg59: ok, I'll check it out
[01:51] <sivang> daniels : I see you have the same taste like mines in Logitech :-))
[01:51] <mjg59> daniels: Basically, everything trow has added since the end of August
[01:52] <mjg59> And enable the mono build
[01:52] <CHS> daniels: are the WPA/WEP keys restored after the remmod ath_pci?
[01:52] <mjg59> There's a patch from edd in the bts that entirely fails to apply now, but does the right thing anyway
[01:52] <sivang> daniels : I also have a desktop iTouch system, reciever handles both kbd abd mouse.
[01:58] <malte`> my amule doesn't connect! it says something about zlib
[01:59] <daniels> mjg59: 'k
[01:59] <daniels> CHS: i'm not sure, sorry
[01:59] <Bilbo> good morning all
[02:00] <daniels> i don't have any wep networks
[02:00] <CHS> daniels: that would be quite usefull...
[02:02] <sivang> daniels : http://www.everyvoteforjohnhowardgodkillsakitten.org/ <---- ?? ;-)
[02:02] <daniels> sivang: heh
[02:28] <richnrockvillemd> ? When I start Ubuntu, I see some lines that says there are errors, what file is this listing in?  and how exactly do I take a look at it to be able to cut and paste from it to put it in a message?  thanks
[02:30] <joolz> richnrockvillemd, most of it is written in logs in /var/log (messages, syslog etc.)
[02:30] <joolz> you may want to grep them for a faster result
[02:30] <richnrockvillemd> ? grep?
[02:30] <richnrockvillemd> be gentile with me..
[02:30] <joolz> richnrockvillemd, start a terminal, type man grep
[02:31] <joolz> richnrockvillemd, sure :)
[02:31] <richnrockvillemd> thanks.
[02:31] <MacPlusG3> richnrockvillemd: or just open /var/log/syslog with a text editor
[02:31] <MacPlusG3> richnrockvillemd: and use the search functio
[02:34] <giorsat> help please. I installed the rc version on a sis pc and it hangs at first boot starting hotplug system. in grub I added the noapic nolapic pci=noacpi and even nopcmcia option but nothing seems to work. I want to make it work. I have mdk101 and it goes so why not ubuntu?
[02:36] <giorsat> toc toc.. anybody listening? please ... I'm stucked and don't' know what to do
[02:37] <Treenaks> it might be you need
[02:37] <Treenaks> noacpi
[02:37] <Treenaks> uh
[02:37] <Treenaks> acpi=off
[02:37] <Treenaks> as well
[02:37] <giorsat> is it not the same pci=noacpi and acpi=off
[02:38] <giorsat> ?
[02:39] <giorsat> why the hotplug hangs? any idea?
[02:39] <Treenaks> no
[02:40] <Treenaks> pci=noacpi only stops the PCI layer from using ACPI, acpi=off disables all of ACPI
[02:41] <LinuxJones> good morining !!
[03:02] <Bierin1> hi there, are there anyone who knows if it's possible to get a non-english (eg. danish) locale installed on Warty??
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Bierin1, did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[03:05] <Bierin1> no, I kind of new to the debian package management
[03:06] <Bierin1> but you think i would work?
[03:06] <joolz> Bierin1, i did it q few days ago and it works nicely
[03:06] <Bierin1> great... thanks
[03:08] <maliks> hi
[03:08] <maliks> just installed UBUNTU and it rocks but have hit a small speed breaker
[03:08] <CraHan> does anyone play quake2 in ubuntu?
[03:09] <maliks> and want some help guys
[03:09] <maliks> !
[03:09] <CraHan> I have this weird problem with quake2 sdl and doom sdl that makes my mouse behave erratically
[03:09] <maliks> Can't able to get my sound working on Ubuntu. I think its Gnome Specific reason
[03:09] <CraHan> as soon as I touch the mouse it makes me look up
[03:09] <CraHan> and I can't do diddly squat
[03:09] <maliks> Hey! Some Help please
[03:11] <LinuxJones> maliks, do you know if you have the correct module loaded for your soundcard ?
[03:15] <DeMe> hi
[03:15] <moyote> lo
[03:19] <lucas_> hi
[03:20] <LinuxJones> hi lucas_
[03:22] <lucas_> hi ploum
[03:22] <ploum> hi lucas_ 
[03:22] <ploum> did I already post my test of Ubuntu on a very old presario here ?
[03:23] <lucas_> I don't want to take a position in the debate about the default theme. But are there any plans to ship with a package (not installed by default) that would replace the "sexy" theme by something less problematic in some environments ?
[03:23] <lucas_> ploum: what is "old" for you ?
[03:24] <lucas_> I'm planning to install Ubuntu on my laptop - a Dell Latitude CPi with a P200 and 128MB RAM
[03:24] <harfooz> hi all. The FAQ has instructions to install totem-xine to get totem to play DVDs but when I apt-get install totem-xine it can't be found. What is the correction I need?
[03:25] <LinuxJones> harfooz, did you apt-get update ?
[03:25] <harfooz> yes
[03:25] <ploum> lucas_, frimouvy.org/wiki/CompaqPresario
[03:25] <ploum> http://frimouvy.org/wiki/CompaqPresario , sorry
[03:26] <harfooz> and added via synaptic the repo that was on the FAQ to get the other controversial packages.
[03:26] <harfooz> I had no trouble installing the win32 codecs or libdvdcss2
[03:26] <harfooz> just totem-xine
[03:26] <ploum> a K6-300 with 96 Mo of ram
[03:26] <LinuxJones> harfooz, apt-cache search totem doesn't find totem-xine ?
[03:26] <harfooz> totem-gstreamer - A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on gstreamer
[03:27] <harfooz> that's the only thing I get back from that command.
[03:27] <harfooz> and I read on the forums there is some conflict between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer.
[03:28] <harfooz> my repos are the defaults with the exception of the added repo from the FAQ.
[03:29] <joolz> cdrecord doesn't understand my ide cdrom anymore: "No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[03:29] <joolz> is this normal? the drive is ok, that's not the problem
[03:30] <lucas_> ploum: cool. I'd recommend disabling nautilus
[03:30] <lucas_> it's a CPU/mem hog on such configs
[03:30] <LinuxJones> harfooz, you need the repo with these sections >> main restricted universe. Click Refresh and search again.
[03:31] <ploum> lucas_, it's for my mother and my father
[03:31] <ploum> they prefer slower but the same as the other PC
[03:31] <harfooz> how do I do that from Synaptic, is there a URL for a howto?
[03:32] <harfooz> just change the secions to main universe?
[03:32] <harfooz> ah -- found it!
[03:32] <LinuxJones> harfooz, Settings >> Repositories >> make sure the 4th line has a checkbox
[03:33] <lucas_> ok
[03:33] <LinuxJones> harfooz, click "OK" then click "Reload"
[03:34] <harfooz> found them. 
[03:35] <harfooz> for the ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ repo, should I put testing or unstable in the distribution section (I found both on two different sections of the forums).
[03:37] <harfooz> now this is telling me that totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop is going to be removed. What are the implications and conflicts that I will experience? (Heck I just want to be able to watch a DVD :-))
[03:37] <SepheeBear> its ok those 2 are just metapackages its alright to go ahead
[03:38] <harfooz> ok
[03:38] <harfooz> what is a metapackage?
[03:40] <SepheeBear> afaik its kinda like a container for a bunch of packages, not really a package in and of itself
[03:41] <SepheeBear> there should be somebody whose an expert on here that could explain it better than that
[03:41] <Lathiat> A metapackage is a blank package that just depends on some other packages to install them
[03:42] <SepheeBear> yeah what  he said :-)
[03:42] <harfooz> now I have totem-xine installed,but still can't play the movie. I have the dvd in the player, and then I start totem. I click on Play disk and nautilus opens, so I browse to the drive where the disk is, and totem can't open the files.
[03:42] <Lathiat> harfooz: are you trying to play a dvd?
[03:42] <harfooz> yes
[03:42] <Lathiat> you need to install the dvd encryption stuff
[03:42] <harfooz> already installed libdvdcss2 -- is there something else?
[03:43] <Lathiat> ah in that case maybe the xine stuff doesnt pick that up
[03:43] <Lathiat> tried mplayer?
[03:43] <harfooz> not yet 
[03:44] <arturaz> configure:26763: checking Gnome2 compile flags
[03:44] <arturaz> configure:26768: result: Gnome not found, building without it.
[03:44] <arturaz> hmm, i've installeb libgnome2-dev
[03:44] <SepheeBear> check for '/dev/dvd' that it exists and is readable by you, that's what screwed me up for a while
[03:44] <seb128> arturaz: what are you trying to build ?
[03:44] <arturaz> xchat-gnome
[03:44] <seb128> and what's the configure error ?
[03:44] <arturaz> none, it just doesn't grab my gnome2 libs
[03:44] <arturaz> -dev packages
[03:45] <arturaz> maybe i need libgnome-desktop-dev
[03:45] <Lathiat> SepheeBear: oh yeh change the dvd device
[03:46] <ermina> HELP ME!!!!
[03:46] <ermina> I lost my ubuntu
[03:46] <Lathiat> ermina: Start by stating your problem clearly with as much information as possible
[03:46] <Lathiat> arturaz: apt-get install gnome-devel
[03:46] <SepheeBear> where'd it go?
[03:46] <ermina> it said that kernel panic, VFS can not read
[03:46] <ermina> what should I do ??
[03:47] <ermina> I have SuSE in partition hda1, Ubuntu in hda2
[03:48] <SepheeBear> i'd check my hardware, i've never had a kernel panic in any linny that wasnt due to some pfunky hardware
[03:48] <ermina> I change from grub menu of SuSE that I want to change my default boot to ubuntu
[03:48] <ermina> than it happen
[03:48] <ermina> any body can help me please ????
[03:48] <SepheeBear> can you still boot suse?
[03:49] <ermina> yess. im now with suse
[03:49] <Lathiat> ermina: check the boot settings make sure the root device and initrd is set
[03:53] <ploum>  tomboy: Dpend: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0b) mais 1.6.0-1 devra tre install
[03:53] <ploum> :-(
[03:53] <ploum> cannot install tomboy
[03:53] <Lathiat> works for me
[03:54] <speel> has any one in here switched from win to ubuntu
[03:54] <Lathiat> Why?
[03:55] <ermina_> I've fine tune my ubuntu for several days before I decided to make ubuntu as my default boot
[03:55] <ermina_> but when I change the default boot, I can not boot to ubuntu now
[03:55] <ploum> 1.6.0-1 is after 1.6.0b, no ?
[03:56] <SepheeBear> could be your grub conf, if you can still boot ubuntu otherwise
[04:04] <ermina_> disconnected again
[04:29] <harfooz> back again, folks. I have enabled the universe repos in synaptic, installed totem-xine, libdvdcss2 and when I open totem, ask it to Play disc, all I get is Nautilus.
[04:29] <harfooz> when I browse to the dvd, totem can't play anything there.
[04:29] <harfooz> what am I missing to get totem to play a commercial dvd?
[04:30] <Lathiat> all i can say is try mplayer
[04:30] <harfooz> is it synaptic dl'able? or must it be compiled from source?
[04:31] <Lathiat> its probably in the same archive that you got libdvdcss2 from
[04:32] <harfooz> ok -- installing it now.
[04:32] <harfooz> it just seems so odd that the gnome dvd player, totem, won't work with ubuntu's gnome.
[04:32] <Lathiat> it probably will you probably just have some weird issue
[04:32] <Lathiat> it works fien for me
[04:33] <deFrysk> install totem-xine and it will work fine
[04:33] <harfooz> already did install totem-xine and totem's still not playing.
[04:34] <lamont> aj: G5, G4, and colorful G3's are supported
[04:34] <harfooz> hmmm player's not playing it either.
[04:34] <harfooz> let me check the link.
[04:34] <lamont> aj: no clue on airports, but if there's a distributable binary blob, we probably support it (either via main or restricted)
[04:34] <trip_out> hi there - I'm trying to set up my soundcard, yet can't find out how to switch the default alsa card
[04:35] <LinuxJones> trip_out,  you have more than 1 soundcard installed ?
[04:35] <sparkx> i was told on the message board that apple hasn't released info for the airport, so no one has written a driver.
[04:36] <SepheeBear> harfooz: check that /dev/dvd is pointing to the correct /dev/hdx device and has the right perms
[04:36] <trip_out> LinuxJones: yep - I have an onboard which is active, and another in my PCI
[04:36] <SepheeBear> just seems like a device config problem at this point
[04:36] <trip_out> I want the PCI one wswitched on
[04:36] <LinuxJones> trip_out,  you can diable the onboard sound in bios
[04:37] <trip_out> I know - but isn't there a config file that points gstreamer to whatever card I want?
[04:38] <LinuxJones> trip_out,  I don't know off of the top of my head.
[04:38] <trip_out> ideally I want to be able to switch between the two you see
[04:38] <trip_out> nmind - I'll keep looking
[04:38] <trip_out> thnx anyhoo
[04:39] <SepheeBear> doesnt gstreamer alsasink or osssink to dump the sound to? i think the config of the card would be done with either alsa or oss config
[04:40] <gotd0t> i need some help with my 9700 pro, i tried installing fglrx and the control panel, but i cannot access it after rebooting
[04:40] <trip_out> yeah I have it to alsasink - IIRC its set per user by .asoundrc or something
[04:41] <LinuxJones> SepheeBear, alsaconfig is not available with Ubuntu unless you compile from source
[04:42] <gotd0t> i am trying to set up my monitors so its not a duplicate image on both screens
[04:51] <bsphere> hey, whats the advantages of ubuntu over debian ?
[04:52] <sparkx> naked splash screens?
[04:52] <gotd0t> i guess
[04:52] <bsphere> and for real ?
[04:52] <sparkx> i think that out of the box it is a kinder gentler experience for a newer user
[04:53] <bsphere> and for a 3 years debian user ?
[04:53] <sparkx> for a poweruser, you are going to sett it up how you want anyway. so i don't know that there would really be that great of a difference for you.
[04:53] <sparkx> but i could be wrong.
[04:53] <bsphere> ok, thx
[04:55] <georgia> lo
[04:55] <gotd0t> hi
[04:56] <gotd0t> i could use some help setting up ubuntu to work with both my monitors
[04:57] <georgia> gotd0t: i dont know anything about multiple screens, so i'll not be much help
[04:57] <gotd0t> ok, thanks
[05:03] <Despair> figured out why I was getting 1/3 the GL performance in Ubuntu. agpgart compiled into kernel, was preventing nvidia's builtin agp from working, and the reason why didn't occur to me since it wasn't in lsmod. Heh.
[05:04] <mrjive> hi *
[05:04] <LinuxJones> Despair, agpgart has 1/3 the performance of nvidia agp ?
[05:05] <kelvin> I'm having some trouble with my wifi-card lately... anyone else?
[05:05] <Despair> LinuxJones: no, nvidia's is maybe 1% faster, the difference is it's more stable on my motherboard. So I'll have to compile a kernel myself, or root around in kernel docs and disable the inkernel agp.
[05:05] <kelvin> it was working fine until I did an apt-get upgrade about a week ago
[05:06] <Despair> LinuxJones: the problem is, I had nvidia set to only use nvidia's agp, so it fell back to PCI paths. And that is 1/3 slower. :)
[05:06] <LinuxJones> Despair, ya I have a KT400 agp slot on my board and it sucks bad. Maybe I will recompile and try nvagp ;)
[05:07] <Despair> Actually, I can't say for sure it's more stable in 64bit, I've only compared stability in 32bit debian on an NForce 3 250-based motherboard.
[05:07] <Despair> Too many variables changed to make any guarantees on that comparison.
[05:07] <LinuxJones> Despair, how do you like the Nforce...everything is working ok ?
[05:07] <Despair> It's terrible with a 2.4 kernel, due to lack of support for the builtin nic and numerous other problems.
[05:08] <Despair> In recent 2.6, it's great.
[05:08] <Despair> the onboard sound sucks, but any of the intel 8x0-compat codecs have that problem.
[05:08] <LinuxJones> Despair, cool. i was thinking about upgrading and was considering Nforce
[05:24] <mirak_> linuxjones, despair, my via chipset seems to be working o as well
[05:25] <georgia> anyone know how to type the hash / pound symbol on a uk layout apple pro keybaord under ubuntu?
[05:33] <georgia> aha found it, gotta use the right hand option key, must be alt gr or equivalent
[05:33] <Chucho> Can anyone tell me what prog to use to burn an ISO within ubuntu?
[05:35] <Riddell> georgia: do you mean the hash symbol or the pound symbol?
[05:35] <Riddell> Chucho: whichever you want, nautilus I think has some burning capabilities, k3b is the most functional
[05:36] <Chucho> Riddell:  I've just always used cdrecord previously, but it seems ubuntu doesn
[05:36] <Chucho> Riddell: set up scsi emulation 
[05:36] <Riddell> Chucho: this is Linux 2.6, you don't need scsi emulation
[05:36] <Chucho> Riddell: I am starting to see that after readnig up a bit
[05:37] <Riddell> Chucho: so you have to play the game of working out the new address for cdrecord to record to
[05:46] <sean_> Why is it when I install something for synaptic then try to run it it tells me it cant find the file when I know I just installed it
[05:46] <sean_> Im sure Im doing something wrong...
[05:47] <LinuxJones> sean_, what application ?
[05:48] <sean_> for instance I just installed 3d chess using synaptic but it says it cant find it when I go to run application
[05:48] <sean_> says specified location is invalid
[05:48] <LinuxJones> sean_, hit Alt + F2 then type <application name> or look under >Applications >> Games
[05:49] <sean_> its under neither
[05:49] <sean_> for instance I would just type 3dchess correct?
[05:50] <LinuxJones> sean_, 3Dc
[05:50] <sean_> gah now how did you know that?
[05:51] <georgia> Riddell: to you n me the hash symbol, but afaik americans call it pound
[05:51] <LinuxJones> sean_, I installed it heh. alt+F2 has autocompletion by hitting the 3 it automatically filled in the rest of the name
[05:52] <sean_> lol cool thanks alot man
[05:52] <sean_> another question
[05:52] <LinuxJones> sean_, ;)
[05:52] <LinuxJones> ya
[05:52] <sean_> hehe
[05:52] <sean_> How do I go about enabling cookies?
[05:52] <mirak_> in firefox?
[05:52] <sean_> yeah
[05:52] <LinuxJones> sean_, in Mozilla-fiefox ?
[05:52] <sean_> yes
[05:53] <mirak_> default is enabled
[05:53] <mirak_> what version firefox do you have???
[05:53] <LinuxJones> sean_, Edit>>Prefentences>>Security
[05:53] <mirak_> what he said....
[05:53] <LinuxJones> my typing skills are horriffic :(
[05:53] <sean_> hehe thats cool
[05:53] <mirak_> linuxjones, i have that problem latly as well
[05:54] <mirak_> see ^^
[05:54] <LinuxJones> mirak_, I have only been keyboarding for 10 years you would think that I would get better @ it, but no I seem to be getting worse :D
[05:54] <mirak_> linuxjones, should have been "ive had that problem latly as well"
[05:55] <mirak_> linuxjones, hahaha, yeah, i still find myself staring at the keyboard, its funny, i type all day at work
[05:55] <jacob> Whats the best way to get Mono running on my Ubuntu-machine?
[05:55] <LinuxJones> :P
[05:56] <mirak_>  jacob, i do not know what mono is......enlighten me??
[05:56] <jacob> mirak_, .NET-runtime env. for Linux
[05:57] <mirak_> jacob, thnx
[05:57] <LinuxJones> jacob, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 4
[05:57] <mirak_> is the a way to make either of the gnome toolbars autohide?????, top or the bottom??, prefferably the bottom
[05:58] <Despair> mirak_: right click on them and select autohide in preferences
[05:58] <mirak_> despair, thnx...ill give it a shot
[05:59] <LinuxJones> mirak_, right click toolbar and select properties, then check autohide
[05:59] <mirak_> despair, thnx, it works exactly how i wanted it too
[05:59] <mirak_> linuxjones, thnx to you too
[06:00] <mirak_> last time i tried that the task bar was full, thats prob why it didnt work
[06:00] <jacob> LinuxJones, that repo isnt complete, its missing libicu among other things it seems, so some packages are left in a broken state
[06:01] <LinuxJones> jacob, libicu28 is avaialb e in universe repo 
[06:01] <LinuxJones> god
[06:02] <mirak_> linuxjones, hhahaha
[06:02] <LinuxJones> is there an auto-spellchecker for Xchat heh
[06:03] <mirak_> would bae nice
[06:03] <mirak_> gaim may have 1............it does for aim client
[06:03] <sean_> Hey guys whats a good P2P application?
[06:04] <sean_> Im trying to use gnutella but it says it thinks Im firewalled which Im not....
[06:04] <LinuxJones> sean_, I like apollon but it's a kde app
[06:05] <mirak_> linuxjones, is there any p2p in the universe???
[06:05] <LinuxJones> mirak_, ya 
[06:06] <mirak_> linuxjones, what is it?
[06:06] <sean_> hmmm
[06:06] <sean_> I dont understand why it thinks Im firewalled
[06:07] <LinuxJones> mirak_, apollon & amule & giftoxic 
[06:07] <mirak_> linuxjones, in your opinion, wich is best???
[06:07] <sean_> Whats a good one for Gnome Jones since Gnutella isnt going to work
[06:07] <mirak_> linuxjones, for movies and tunes???
[06:08] <LinuxJones> mirak_, yes you can connect to the kazaa network using giftd and fasttrack (not available in universe)
[06:09] <sean_> Im gonna try amule
[06:09] <mirak_> linuxjones, but of the 3 you mentioned, wich is preferable??
[06:09] <LinuxJones> mirak_, I like apollon
[06:09] <mirak_> linxjones, i have never...ever used kazaa....i hate it
[06:10] <mirak_> linuxjones, appolon it is,..........i trust you
[06:10] <LinuxJones> mirak_, ya it sucks but what can you do
[06:10] <joh_> mirak_: how can you hate something you havent tried?
[06:10] <sean_> hehe
[06:10] <sean_> good point joh
[06:10] <joh_> :)
[06:10] <sean_> Kazaa used to be decent
[06:11] <mirak_> joh_, ive seen it around, what i meant to say is that i have never personally installed it, and have spent countless hours fixing problems it causes on other windows box's
[06:12] <sean_> Its not the Kazaa that causes problems
[06:12] <joh_> mirak_: I understand :) The only p2p app I can tolerate is bittorrent
[06:12] <sean_> Its the spyware the comes with kazaa that causes the problems
[06:12] <sean_> I cant get bittorrent to work...
[06:12] <sean_> I get a funky error
[06:12] <joh_> ok?
[06:12] <mirak_> sean_, what client?
[06:13] <joh_> I use it at the command line, btdownloadcurses <file>
[06:13] <sean_> bittorrent
[06:13] <joh_> works like a charm
[06:13] <LinuxJones> joh_, but leeches annoy me to no end
[06:14] <sean_> lol leeches....
[06:15] <sean_> Im gonna try Apollon Jones
[06:15] <joh_> I havent used p2p that much after discovering allofmp3.com
[06:16] <mirak_> sean_ you need your cd in the drive, for dependencies
[06:16] <joh_> I can afford $10 for a GB of ogg vorbis :)
[06:16] <LinuxJones> sean you may have some messign around to get it running
[06:16] <LinuxJones> joh_, easynews is the bomb. 
[06:17] <LinuxJones> joh_, it's like 10 bucks for 6 gigs and it is all catagorized as well
[06:18] <joh_> hmm, I have heard about it before, but I have never tried it 
[06:18] <joh_> thats like 2-3 years ago :)
[06:19] <LinuxJones> joh_, once bittorrent became popular I let my subscription expire
[06:19] <joh_> k
[06:20] <mirak_> i am new to bittorrent, i seed all of my downloads......does that make me NOT a leecher???
[06:20] <gotd0t> i need some help mounting my NTFS drives...
[06:20] <LinuxJones> mirak_, yes good man :)
[06:20] <hubs> gotd0t, maybe I can help
[06:21] <gotd0t> thanks
[06:21] <mirak_> linuxjones, whatever client i installed has a super-seed option, i use that
[06:21] <gotd0t> my friend was helping me, but we cant seem to get it working
[06:21] <hubs> gotd0t, you know that you can only mount it read only
[06:21] <gotd0t> i know
[06:21] <gotd0t> i just want to be able to access my music
[06:21] <hubs> ok
[06:22] <hubs> how did you try mounting it ?
[06:22] <mirak_> linuxjones, why would seeding not be a default, doesnt it make it better for everyone????
[06:22] <gotd0t> heh, not quite sure really
[06:22] <LinuxJones> mirak_, once the file has been downloaded you become a see but people cancel out once their download is finished and don't let anybody else download from their comp
[06:22] <sivang> gotd0t : /dev/hda1       /mnt/fat32      ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=027  0 0
[06:23] <sivang> gotd0t : replace hda1 with your drive device entry
[06:23] <sivang> gotd0t : you should also "mkdir /mnt/fat32" or "mkdir /mnt/ntfs" for that matte :)
[06:24] <sivang> gotd0t : you might want to prefix each command with "sudo" if you are the only user on the machine
[06:24] <mirak_> ahh....i see, i dont check on mine often, i just put them on a diff desktop, and let them roll for a while, they were up for about 9 hours after dl finished
[06:24] <sivang> gotd0t : and the entry for the /etc/fstab file which manages mounts systemwide
[06:24] <sivang> gotd0t : do make sure you make a backup copy of the original fstab file
[06:24] <sivang> gotd0t : before making any changes.
[06:25] <LinuxJones> mirak_, ya that is a good to help out with some extra bandwidth
[06:25] <hubs> or mounting from a terminal using sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[06:25] <sivang> yes, that also :)
[06:26] <mirak_> linuxjones, ok....no problem, only time i can really see that i would need the bandwith for myself is gaming, unless its slowing me down way too much, for web browsing
[06:26] <mirak_> linuxjones, but even then i dont need to drop them all
[06:27] <LinuxJones> mirak_, same here :P
[06:27] <mirak_> linuxjones, ok.....just wanted to make sure i am diong things properly
[06:27] <gotd0t> thanks
[06:27] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:27] <hubs> :-)
[06:28] <gotd0t> oh
[06:28] <gotd0t> hmm
[06:28] <gotd0t> mount /mnt/ntfs1
[06:28] <gotd0t> then i get
[06:28] <gotd0t> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[06:28] <gotd0t>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:28] <hubs> gotd0t, did you specify the file system type using -t ntfs ?
[06:29] <gotd0t> oops
[06:30] <david_> is there a partition tool in Ubuntu?
[06:30] <cianid3> yeah
[06:30] <cianid3> cfdisk
[06:30] <cianid3> fdisk
[06:30] <david_> terminal stuff?
[06:30] <david_> no gui?
[06:30] <cianid3> david_: type fdisk -l
[06:30] <cianid3> that will list all of your partitions
[06:30] <hubs> parted
[06:31] <cianid3> why do you need gui
[06:31] <cianid3> cfdisk is close to a gui
[06:31] <cianid3> it's menu driven
[06:32] <gotd0t> ok, thanks guys... i think i got it working
[06:34] <david_> ok i need to mount 2 partitions
[06:34] <david_> M$ ones
[06:35] <hubs> which filesystem ?
[06:35] <david_> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:35] <david_> /dev/sda1               1        5099    40957686    7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:35] <david_> /dev/sda2   *        5100       14825    78124095   83  Linux
[06:35] <david_> /dev/sda3           24260       24321      498015    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[06:35] <david_> /dev/sda5           24260       24321      497983+  82  Linux swap
[06:35] <david_> sda1 and sda3
[06:35] <hubs> terminal or fstab ?
[06:36] <david_> whatevers easier
[06:36] <david_> :)
[06:36] <hubs> terminal *g
[06:36] <usual> how can I get sound? I keep getting told that I can't access the device. I have a sblive and the install detected my tvcard as a mixer as well as some other things....
[06:36] <hubs> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/xxxx
[06:38] <usual> I want to remove these other detected mixers
[06:38] <david_> david@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[06:38] <david_> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist
[06:38] <usual> bt87x
[06:38] <usual> TriTech id 3
[06:38] <david_> i need a windows folder right?
[06:38] <LinuxJones> usual, do you have the correct module loaded for your soundcard ?
[06:38] <usual> Brooktree bt878
[06:38] <usual> LinuxJones, yes, it see's it
[06:38] <usual> LinuxJones, but it see's those others as well
[06:38] <LinuxJones> usual, is it's name snd-emu10k1 ?
[06:38] <hubs> did you create the directory /mnt/windows before ?
[06:39] <usual> like lets say I open alsamixer
[06:39] <hubs> use mkdir /mnt/windows
[06:39] <usual> it defaults tot he bt87x
[06:39] <david_> david@ubuntu:~ $ cd /mnt/
[06:39] <david_> david@ubuntu:/mnt $ mkdir windows
[06:39] <david_> mkdir: cannot create directory `windows': Permission denied
[06:39] <usual> not the sblive
[06:39] <usual> sudo mkdir /mnt/win
[06:40] <david_> i dont have permission to mount it?
[06:40] <usual> LinuxJones, let me explain a little better
[06:40] <david_> ive made the dir
[06:40] <LinuxJones> for a sblive you need snd-emu10k1
[06:40] <LinuxJones> usual, you have more than 1 soundcard ?
[06:40] <david_> ah ive mounted Windows, but cannot read it
[06:40] <usual> LinuxJones, no the onboard is disabled and the install detected the TV tuner card as a mixer as well
[06:41] <david_> i need to change the permissions somehow
[06:42] <jpvcx> david_ http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.10
[06:42] <LinuxJones> usual, argh you may have to look to google for help. 
[06:43] <usual> http://www.jraleigh.com/~usual/blah.png
[06:43] <usual> look
[06:43] <usual> see what it detected
[06:43] <usual> it seems to think that the bt87 is my sound card
[06:44] <Despair> it does sound. looks like you probably need to add the module for the card you want to load first to /etc/modules
[06:44] <hubs> jpvcx, hey useful page :-)
[06:45] <usual> no no
[06:45] <usual> it loaded it
[06:45] <usual> see it's in the mixer
[06:45] <Despair> usual: yes, but it loaded it first.
[06:45] <LinuxJones> usual, you can try adding oss to the /etc/hotplug//blacklist.d/alsa-base file and re-start. That will prevent any oss modules from being loaded for your soundcard  boot time.
[06:45] <Despair> usual: and many badly written apps tend to be annoying to make work on any but the first card
[06:45] <hubs> david, when mounting with sudo you have to ensure that the mountpoint can be read by the "normal" user
[06:45] <Despair> usual: so it's more convenient if you add `snd_emu10k1` to /etc/modules so it shows up as the first card.
[06:46] <Despair> (or emu10k2, whatever :)
[06:46] <usual> ok
[06:46] <usual> ty
[06:46] <david_> hubs thats my problem
[06:46] <joolz> i just installed the ssh daemon. What should i do to start it at system startup?
[06:46] <david_> hubs i dont know how to solve it
[06:47] <LinuxJones> joolz, update-rc.d <service> defaults 
[06:47] <joolz> LinuxJones, ah. great, thanks!
[06:48] <hubs> david, how can I talk directly with you ?
[06:48] <LinuxJones> joolz, ;)
[06:49] <joolz> hm that's strange. it says: "System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist.". But ps aux | grep ssh gives me no running daemon
[06:50] <LinuxJones> joolz, you can /etc/init.d/<service> start stop or restart 
[06:51] <joolz> LinuxJones, yes I know. I just rebooted the whole system to make sure that it would load automagically, and it didn't
[06:52] <LinuxJones> joolz, is it ssh or sshd for the service name . Look in /etc/init.d/
[06:52] <joolz> just plain ssh
[06:52] <joolz> no "d"
[06:54] <LinuxJones> joolz, can you start the service manually ?
[06:55] <joolz> LinuxJones, good idea! I can't apparently i made a typo in the config file
[06:55] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:57] <mirak_> i have a 2.5gig hgg laying around i would like to use to install firefox prl and a few other apps onto, just incase i break this install, i still have that stuff............is this possible, and if so...is it tuff???
[06:57] <joolz> well duh!
[06:58] <mirak_> joolz, is that to me??
[06:58] <|trey|> mirak_: umm, apt-get -d install <the_app> > put that .deb onto the disk.
[06:58] <joolz> LinuxJones, the "yes"'s and "no"'s in the configfile are case sensitive. Never say "Yes", but 'yes'
[06:58] <joolz> LinuxJones, no, to myself :)
[06:58] <|trey|> mirak_: -d = download only.
[06:58] <LinuxJones> joolz, :D
[06:58] <joolz> it's fixed now, tx
[06:58] <krischan> a question: is it possible to upgrade my Ubuntu Preview Release to the new Release Candidate without having to install everything from scratch?
[06:58] <LinuxJones> sure
[06:59] <mirak_> |trey|, thnx.......
[06:59] <|trey|> krischan: yes... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[06:59] <LinuxJones> krischan, yes apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:59] <david_> krischan i did that but lost my Device Viewer in system
[06:59] <mirak_> |trey|, but when i  -d.....where will it download too???
[06:59] <david_> i then reinstalled with the new cd
[06:59] <|trey|> LinuxJones: SNAP, I WIN  :)
[06:59] <|trey|> mirak_: /var/cache/apt/archive
[06:59] <LinuxJones> |trey|, your typing skills far exceed mine :P
[06:59] <__daniel> hai
[06:59] <mirak_> |trey|, im still dont quite get the file system
[06:59] <mirak_> |trey|, thnx
[07:00] <|trey|> LinuxJones: 8)
[07:01] <mirak_> linuxjones, i think me and you both need to re-take a typing class
[07:01] <LinuxJones> mirak_, I know 
[07:01] <krischan> |trey| & LinuxJones: So I didn't need to download the new Ubuntu image actually?
[07:01] <|trey|> krischan: nope  :)
[07:01] <krischan> david_: Have other user reported the same problem?
[07:02] <LinuxJones> krischan, nope 
[07:02] <|trey|> krischan: just gotta restart everything that got changed  :)
[07:02] <mirak_> krischan, the way i understand things, and apt-get upgrade will hadle that
[07:02] <|trey|> The joys of apt  :)
[07:02] <krischan> |trey|: I see! ;) 
[07:03] <krischan> Well then, I'll try ... could I yield the same result Synaptic, since I am so comfortable with that application?
[07:03] <david_> does Ubuntu write to NTFS ? 
[07:03] <david_> i hope the answer is no
[07:04] <david_> i just ran CHMOD .. whatever that does
[07:04] <|trey|> david_: its "experimental" in the kernel...
[07:04] <mirak_> krischan, my understanding is that synaptic is essentialy the same as apt-get........so yes
[07:04] <david_> i might of messed up my windows stuff
[07:04] <david_> :/
[07:04] <|trey|> david_: changes mode... permissions...
[07:04] <mirak_> krischan, just mark all upgraded, when the time comes
[07:05] <mirak_> krischan, just mark all upgrades*, when the time comes
[07:05] <david_> it was cycling through the entire contents of the partition
[07:05] <|trey|> david_: perhaps the worst possible command to issue to a NTFS partition  ;)
[07:05] <david_> your joking?
[07:05] <|trey|> no
[07:05] <david_> oh ****
[07:05] <krischan> mirak_: Sounds reasonable enough.
[07:05] <david_> i'll reboot and see whats happened
[07:05] <david_> argh
[07:05] <|trey|> The file permissions are VERY different... would fuck a lot of shit up if you're not lucky  :/
[07:06] <mirak_> krischan, im a newb, this is my second distro, about a month linux experience, but i am 99% sure i am correct, just be sure to double check before youa ctually do it, but that is how i always handle it, and i havne broke anything yet
[07:08] <krischan> mirak_: Since I am not that experienced with Linux myself yet, your reassurings are comforting me. :)
[07:09] <|trey|> krischan: and the best part... if he were wrong, people would be all over him  ;)
[07:09] <Nap_> hello all
[07:09] <mirak_> krischan, :)
[07:09] <mirak_> |trey|, i am sure you are right
[07:09] <LinuxJones> hi Nap
[07:09] <Nap_> how can I install kde ? just install the 'kde' package from universe ?
[07:09] <krischan> |trey|: Certainly I'd have to run apt-get with sudo, haven't I?
[07:09] <|trey|> Nap_: yes
[07:09] <krischan> hi Nap_
[07:09] <Nap_> cool :)
[07:09] <Nap_> thank you
[07:10] <mirak_> krischan, yes
[07:10] <|trey|> krischan: synaptic runs with gksudo... sudo -s = root shell... thats all I use  :/
[07:10] <krischan> Thanks, mirak_
[07:10] <mirak_> krischan, np
[07:11] <mirak_> linuxjones, will apollon get added to the gnome menu after a restart or re-log
[07:11] <mirak_> linuxjones, or should i just launch from terminal?
[07:11] <LinuxJones> mirak_, it's a kde app so I would assume so
[07:12] <mirak_> linuxjones, so that is a no to the gnome menu?
[07:13] <milkman638> how do I play m4a (aac) files using rhythmbox
[07:13] <LinuxJones> mirak_, I am not running it atm so I can't say for sure
[07:13] <mirak_> linuxjones, can i ask why you prefer KDE over GNOME????
[07:13] <bestadvocate> milkman638: have you figured out mp3s with it?
[07:14] <LinuxJones> mirak_, I don't I am running Gnome
[07:14] <milkman638> yes mp3s work fine
[07:14] <LinuxJones> mirak_, there are a few apps like k3b that I really like though
[07:14] <mirak_> linuxjones, oh....sorry
[07:14] <milkman638> but I have m4a files from itunes I don't want to convert them to mp3
[07:14] <bestadvocate> milkman638: how did you do it, I have been only able to get xmms to work
[07:15] <paulproteus> Hello all.  I just gave my brother and a friend at school Ubuntu.  I thought I'd stop by :)
[07:15] <milkman638> besstadvocate: what version of rhythmbox are you using
[07:15] <mirak_> pailproteus, are you using it????
[07:15] <bestadvocate> well i just installed the latest rc1, and havent changed the default
[07:15] <paulproteus> mirak_: Not yet.  I'm running Debian Sarge right now.
[07:16] <paulproteus> I think I'll install it on my iBook and keep Sarge on my desktop.
[07:16] <mirak_> pailproteus, ahh......ok
[07:16] <paulproteus> I might also teach a mini-course (taught by students for students) at JHU over our three-week intersession to convert Windows users from Windows to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux as a whole.
[07:16] <milkman638> besstadvocate: did you install it with gstreamer support or with xine support
[07:17] <paulproteus> Debian is the Linux distribution that Ubuntu is based on, mirak_.  debian.org :)
[07:17] <bestadvocate> milkman638: I think the default is gstreamer, can you change it?
[07:18] <mirak_> pailproteus, i was a windows user, ubuntu made the switch realy easy....and i am aware that ubunutu is debian based, but i was wondering about the "SARGE" part, i usually only hear "DEBIAN"
[07:18] <mirak_> oh...i get it.....sarge is just the release name.......like a version number
[07:19] <bestadvocate> mirak_: Sarge is the release, like Fedora 1, or Fedora 2 or Windows 95 or Windows 98
[07:19] <Despair> mirak_: debian's release names come from characters in pixar movies. (sarge, potato, etc)
[07:19] <milkman638> besstadvocate: yes, when you're installing it use './configure --with-player=xine'
[07:19] <mirak_> bestadvocate, despair, i see i see
[07:19] <bestadvocate> mirak_: what you said
[07:19] <mirak_> bestadvocate, :)
[07:19] <milkman638> besstadvocate: that will configure the makefile with xine support
[07:19] <tof__> hi all
[07:20] <mirak_> hi
[07:20] <bestadvocate> milkman638: I've been using synaptic, at what step should i do this typing ./confi......
[07:21] <tof__> i'm trying to configure xprint for mozilla 
[07:21] <tof__> my printer is installed but not in mozilla
[07:22] <mirak_> tof__, i am sorry, i dont use printers
[07:22] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  well in that case, I'm not actually sure, synaptic will install the package using all defaults, if you want to change something, you'd either have to download the rhythmbox tarball or you could download the package but not install it and do so manually
[07:23] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  actually not sure I mean
[07:23] <bestadvocate> milkman638: thanks, do you know where synaptic downloads the files too?
[07:24] <tolle> bestadvocate: why would you want xine support in rhythmbox instead of gstreamer support?
[07:24] <bestadvocate> mp3s
[07:24] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  I have no idea, but since your
[07:24] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  I have no idea, but since you're using synaptic...
[07:24] <tolle> bestadvocate: do you have "universe" in your sources.list ?
[07:24] <tolle> bestadvocate: its called gstreamer-mad
[07:24] <LinuxJones> bestadvocate, install gstreamer0.8-mad  from universe
[07:24] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  make sure you download all the gstreamer files
[07:25] <milkman638> besstadvocate:  yes what he said
[07:25] <bestadvocate> thanks everyone, I will try that
[07:27] <tolle> ermms, it seems to be "Pimp my ride weekend" every weekend or so.
[07:27] <tolle> Would be realy cool if they made more episodes of it.
[07:27] <milkman638> LinuxJones: is there a gstreamer package for aac, m4a, faac, or faad support
[07:28] <An-tonio> hi
[07:29] <Hoodster> Hi all. I have been reviewing the liveCD. I have had some problems with it (searching file system, device manager not working) and wondered if these problems have been resolved in the version that is installed onto harddisk.
[07:29] <LinuxJones> milkman638, I am sure there is somewhere let me have a look
[07:30] <LinuxJones> milkman638, >> http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/wiki/?page=view/Software+Audio+Players+for+Linux%2FBSD may be of some help to you.
[07:31] <bestadvocate> Hoodster: I think that the device managers for the live cds are diffrant than the Install cds, but I am a newb dont take my word for it.
[07:31] <milkman638> LinuxJones: thanks
[07:31] <Hoodster> bestadvocate: Thanks for the reply.
[07:32] <sg> anybody know if (old) airport on a powerbook works in ubuntu?
[07:32] <mirak_> sg, clamshell???
[07:32] <sg> mirak_: sorry my definition of old, is a g4 titanium 
[07:32] <mirak_> sg, err...powerbook not ibook.black powerbook
[07:32] <llpamies> Where can I found a good frontend for GDB ?
[07:33] <mirak_> sg, lol.it should
[07:33] <sg> mirak_: ie it's not a extreme card :-)
[07:33] <mirak_> sg, lol.it should
[07:33] <mirak_> sg, if not out of the box...im sure there is a way
[07:33] <mirak_> sg, has to be
[07:34] <mirak_> sg, no anyone with a black powerbook for sale?
[07:34] <sg> mirak_, not off-hand - you collecting!
[07:34] <mirak_> sg, specs not important.as long as it works. and will run ubuntu
[07:35] <mirak_> sg, i want a lappy for a learning box, something im not worried about breaking, the install that is, fo i am a newb to linux
[07:35] <mirak_> sg, and i really like the black PB's
[07:35] <sg> mirak_: ebay is your friend ;-)
[07:35] <mirak_> sg, yeah
[07:36] <mirak_> sg, but ill prob just get a lappy from retrobox.com
[07:36] <bestadvocate> bevis: hu hu hu hu mirak_ said get a lappy hu hu hu hu
[07:37] <mirak_> bestadvocate, lol.......those were the days
[07:37] <mirak_> bestadvocate, wanna go couch fishin'?????
[07:37] <bestadvocate> :] 
[07:38] <An-tonio> is there anybody that has played with sid sources into ubuntu ?
[07:38] <hornbeck> why would you want to?
[07:39] <An-tonio> because is there some software in sid that isn't in universe
[07:39] <hornbeck> have you tried multiverse?
[07:39] <An-tonio> wath ?
[07:39] <An-tonio> what  :)
[07:40] <mirak_> yeah...what is multiverse?
[07:40] <An-tonio> i have to reviw doc, don't know multiuniverse
[07:40] <hornbeck> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[07:40] <bestadvocate> Im with them
[07:40] <An-tonio> mmmm
[07:40] <hypn0> whats the point of all these *verses, why not just one
[07:40] <An-tonio> and... what is multiverse ?
[07:40] <mirak_> hornbeck, is it advisable for a newb to use the multiverse??????
[07:40] <hornbeck> hmmm, don't know
[07:40] <hornbeck> let me see
[07:41] <mirak_> hornbeck, or is universe enough for me?
[07:42] <hornbeck> Let's says it contains debian packages that require a check with laws
[07:42] <hornbeck> of your country
[07:42] <hornbeck> that is from a email
[07:42] <fragment> So with the downgrade of Firefox, anyone know if there's a Live Bookmarks plugin to get that functionality back?
[07:42] <mirak_> hornbeck, oh....thats it.............im not worried then
[07:43] <An-tonio> mmmm
[07:43] <hornbeck> fragment: I am not aware of one
[07:43] <mirak_> fragment, you can always upgrade
[07:43] <bestadvocate> i dono, check out the plugin database silly :] 
[07:43] <mirak_> lol
[07:43] <fragment> heheh
[07:43] <mirak_> ?silly? haha
[07:44] <An-tonio> hornbeck, isn't like sid...
[07:44] <An-tonio> mmm
[07:44] <hornbeck> what package are you looking for An-tonio
[07:44] <An-tonio> for example mono
[07:44] <An-tonio> i know is there a repository
[07:44] <hornbeck> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[07:44] <An-tonio> with mono for ubuntu
[07:45] <An-tonio> yes
[07:45] <hornbeck> there is the mono
[07:45] <hornbeck> mixing sid is bad idea
[07:45] <hornbeck> could throw conflicts and give bad results
[07:45] <mirak_> hornbeck, what is sid????
[07:45] <An-tonio> but it isn't the las version
[07:45] <jpvcx> mirak_ debian sid
[07:45] <hornbeck> mirak: sid is unstable debian
[07:45] <An-tonio> the same with other software
[07:46] <mirak_> hmmm
[07:46] <hornbeck> An-tonio: that repos. has more up to date mono than debian sid
[07:46] <sg> anyone know any good howtos for debian/ubuntu and wlan/powerbook?
[07:46] <bestadvocate> mirak_: sid is up to the seccond stuff
[07:46] <Bentley> can someone tell me how to make the lid button on my laptop only turn off the display and not try to sleep the computer (which locks it up)?
[07:46] <An-tonio> mmmm
[07:46] <aitrus> Bentley: have you checked your BIOS for a setting?
[07:47] <hornbeck> An-tonio: the sid and Ubuntu mono packages are both 1.0.1
[07:47] <mirak_> bentley, yeah, im pretty sure it is a bios setting
[07:47] <hornbeck> mono is 1.0.2 right now
[07:47] <Bentley> aitrus: yes, it's not there.  There is a lidbutton even in /etc/acpi .. but changing the contents of this text file doesn't seem to affect anything
[07:47] <Bentley> even=event
[07:48] <An-tonio> in sid is 1.0.2...
[07:48] <An-tonio> mmmm, why not ubuntu use sid repository ? and play with apt preferences ?
[07:48] <hornbeck> An-tonio: you need those fixes that bad?
[07:49] <An-tonio> hornbeck, there isn't only mono
[07:49] <An-tonio> packages in universe in warty
[07:49] <bestadvocate> An-tonio: i think Ubuntu is attempting to achieve a semblence of stability
[07:49] <An-tonio> are from sid in... july ??
[07:49] <hornbeck> An-tonio: the version's in warty are from the freeze right now
[07:49] <hornbeck> after warty is released it will catch back up if you go to Hoary testing
[07:50] <An-tonio> hornbeck, yes, i know main and restricted must be stable
[07:50] <An-tonio> but universe hasn't support
[07:50] <An-tonio> so... why they must freeze ?
[07:50] <hornbeck> An-tonio: they still want universe to be somewhat stable
[07:50] <An-tonio> ubunte has patch and test all packages in universe ?
[07:50] <hornbeck> also if universe requires a more up to date package that is in main, it would not work
[07:51] <aitrus> Bentley: is your "lid-button" actually getting detected by ACPI?
[07:51] <aitrus> Bentley: maybe it is seen as somethign else
[07:51] <Hoodster> Is it possible to install ubuntu onto a harddisk that has another distro that uses lilo?
[07:51] <aitrus> Bentley: (like a second power button... =)
[07:51] <An-tonio> hornbeck, maybe
[07:52] <An-tonio> this could be a problem
[07:52] <hornbeck> An-tonio: not a maybe, it could be dependency hell
[07:52] <Bentley> aitrus - I think it is (it's in /proc)
[07:52] <Bentley> i'm going to reboot and check my bios settings again
[07:53] <bestadvocate> Hoodster: I would think so, your going to get problems though
[07:53] <__daniel> Hoodster, you only have one MBR
[07:53] <hornbeck> well I am out
[07:53] <hornbeck> later guys/gals
[07:53] <Hoodster> bestadvocate: _daniel. Thanks. Yeah, I am concerned about incompatibility
[07:55] <bestadvocate> Hoodster: i would bet big money this is not supported method of installation
[07:55] <__daniel> you can have multiple distributions, OSes on one or several disks, but you only have one boot loader
[07:55] <__daniel> so you got to configure it the way, you can choose out of all of them
[07:56] <bestadvocate> well you can have a bootloader start another bootloader
[07:56] <Hoodster> bestadvocate: That is interesting
[07:57] <bestadvocate> have one of them installed on the first sector of your say hda3 and the MBR boots it
[07:57] <Hoodster> Will ubuntu try to overwrite the lilo bootloader with grub?
[07:57] <xcasex> so, ehrm, what's the name of the pcm module on ubuntuppc?
[07:57] <bestadvocate> yes if you tell it to install on the MBR
[07:57] <bestadvocate> but not if you tell it to install on the first sector of the harddrive
[07:58] <bestadvocate> xcasex: i dont know sry
[07:58] <xcasex> cheers
[07:58] <Hoodster> Is there any chance the first sector is not free to write to?
[07:59] <bestadvocate> well if you already have a distrobution on that partition of your harddrive.
[07:59] <bestadvocate> i would think its filled
[07:59] <Hoodster> I get it. On the first sector of the new empty partition, this is what is free to write to.
[08:00] <bestadvocate> yes, it can be done other ways though
[08:00] <bestadvocate> do a more /etc/lilo.conf 
[08:00] <Hoodster> Thus, lilo will load first, but is it easy to edit the lilo so that it gives the option to load grub?
[08:00] <bestadvocate> right.
[08:01] <bestadvocate> you just tell lilo to boot /dev/hda3
[08:01] <bestadvocate> your going to want to read some help files on it
[08:01] <lrn> there are packages at ubuntu that arn`t free ?
[08:01] <bestadvocate> nope not really: you can add them after you install
[08:02] <bestadvocate> oh but there is nvidia drivers
[08:02] <Hoodster> bestadvocate: This is great stuff. I will read more on how to do this before I attempt.
[08:02] <bestadvocate> Hoodster:coolbeans
[08:02] <lrn> bestadvocate what u mean ?
[08:03] <bestadvocate> they try to hold themselves to the Debian standard
[08:03] <fragment> any problems with universe?
[08:03] <fragment> i.e. anything I should know about before installing packages from universe?
[08:04] <bestadvocate> lrn: ubuntu does not even come with mp3 playback by default
[08:04] <fragment> (better to build from source, for instance?)
[08:04] <lrn> so for that i have to pay ?
[08:04] <bestadvocate> lrn: nothing
[08:04] <lrn> I can`t understand u mate
[08:05] <bestadvocate> lrn: i wasnt shure if you ment free=as in freedom or free=as in free beer
[08:05] <lrn> free non money
[08:05] <lrn> that's what i mean
[08:05] <fragment> lrn: nope, but it's patent-encumbered, so you *can* download & install MP3 utilities, but it's not encouraged.
[08:05] <Hoodster> I don't think you pay for nvidia drivers. They are just closed source.
[08:05] <Kamion> lrn: no, there are no such packages in Ubuntu
[08:05] <bestadvocate> lrn: you should read the homepage for unbuntu
[08:05] <lrn> i did
[08:05] <lrn> i love ubuntu :p
[08:05] <fragment> lrn: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:05] <lrn> cant wait for 20/10
[08:05] <bestadvocate> lrn: they go on and on about their dedication for keeping it free as in free beer
[08:06] <Kamion> ... and as in speech
[08:06] <bestadvocate> true
[08:06] <Kamion> that's why we have the main/restricted/etc. separation
[08:06] <bestadvocate> but nvidia isnt compatable with the GNU i believe
[08:06] <fragment> It is.  There's a WIKI page for that, too.
[08:06] <Kamion> if you mean GPL-compatible, that's a stronger criterion than what virtually everybody considers "free"
[08:07] <bestadvocate> oh
[08:07] <Kamion> even GNU
[08:07] <Hoodster> Call me stupid, but I can't help but ask. The 'free as in free beer' refers to that people are free to make beer?
[08:07] <fragment> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:07] <bestadvocate> lol
[08:07] <Kamion> you wouldn't talk about the freedom of beer; when you say "free beer", you're always referring to the price
[08:07] <crimsun> Hoodster: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[08:07] <bestadvocate> Hoodster: i think it means free as in when you go to a party you might get a beer handed to you
[08:08] <Kamion> bestadvocate: not really
[08:08] <Kamion> it simply means "free as in the sense you'd be talking about if you said 'free beer'"
[08:08] <bestadvocate> shrug
[08:08] <Kamion> as opposed to "free speech", which English speakers would typically understand to refer to freedom
[08:08] <fragment> If I'm giving away free beer, what do you expect from me?
[08:08] <fragment> versus....
[08:09] <fragment> If I'm exercising my free speech, what do you expect from me?
[08:09] <Hoodster> crimson: Thanks. That link says "..., not as in "free beer"".
[08:09] <Hoodster> The important bit is the word "not" that comes before "free beer".
[08:10] <Ninjas-Rezatm> good morning
[08:10] <fragment> morning
[08:10] <Ninjas-Rezatm> anyone up for giving me a bit of help with SOUND?
[08:10] <bestadvocate> afternoon
[08:10] <jpvcx> good evening :o
[08:10] <Ninjas-Rezatm> i just woke up and all i want to do today is get sound working
[08:10] <Ninjas-Rezatm> for the Honorable cause of Frozen Throne
[08:11] <fragment> heheh
[08:11] <Ninjas-Rezatm> it was working fine and stopped after a reboot
[08:11] <fragment> unfortunately, my sound "just worked" and I'm not very familiar with Ubuntu's sound subsystem (ALSA, right?)
[08:11] <Despair> Ninjas-Rezatm: checked mixer settings?
[08:11] <bestadvocate> me too sry
[08:12] <Despair> (alsamixer, or the volume control on the gnome panel)
[08:12] <Ninjas-Rezatm> mine "just worked" too, but not permanently
[08:12] <Ninjas-Rezatm> how do you guys prefix your messages with nicknames?
[08:13] <Ninjas-Rezatm> I'm sorry for being a total newb but despair was right
[08:13] <Kamion> Ninjas-Rezatm: that's your IRC client
[08:13] <fragment> tab-completion in x-chat
[08:13] <Ninjas-Rezatm> it was the mixer
[08:13] <fragment> nin[tab] 
[08:13] <Ninjas-Rezatm> fragment: thanks
[08:13] <fragment> Ninjas-Rezatm: Or I suppose ninj[tab] 
[08:13] <Kamion> Ninjas-Rezatm: unless you mean the way I'm putting "Ninjas-Rezatm:" in front; either use tab-completion in a good IRC client, or just type it
[08:13] <Ninjas-Rezatm> cool!
[08:14] <Hoodster> Test
[08:14] <Ninjas-Rezatm> Kamion: sup
[08:14] <fragment> Hoodster: sound check? ;)
[08:14] <Ninjas-Rezatm> who would have known that PCM needed to be turned up in the mixer?
[08:14] <Despair> Ninjas-Rezatm: to store the settings, you can do `sudo alsactl store`
[08:14] <Hoodster> fragment: hehe, no trying the [tab]  completion. I haven't figured it out in xchat.
[08:15] <Ninjas-Rezatm> Despair: you are the pimp
[08:15] <Despair> Ninjas-Rezatm: alsa defaults to zeroed mixers, because they can't predict setup for a lot of the hardware they support, and some users object violently to blown speakers and other damage. ;)
[08:15] <Ninjas-Rezatm> i am using GAIM, I hope that's "cool"
[08:15] <Ninjas-Rezatm> that's cool
[08:16] <fragment> Good Yahoo Messenger support, though.
[08:17] <hypn0> chatzilla is better for IRC
[08:18] <bestadvocate> gstreamer mad i already installed but Rythmbox wont play mp3s!
[08:18] <fragment> I used to use chatzilla all the time, but I'm into minimal modification of ubuntu lately.
[08:18] <baHam> bestadvocate, sudo apt-get install xmms libmikmod mikmod
[08:18] <fragment> I add the Citrix client and Java and that's it, though I think I'm going to have to modify my CUPS config to allow my wife to print from her iBook.
[08:19] <fragment> Haven't really gone looking to see if I can do it from the UI yet.
[08:19] <Hoodster> When will ubuntu 4.10 RC be final?
[08:19] <bestadvocate> I'm using xmms baHam, thanks, I have just been trying to get rythembox to work
[08:19] <bestadvocate> because its a nicer interface
[08:19] <fragment> Retraining myself to use synaptic instead of apt-get, too.  Trying to get to the point where I can walk friends & family through just about anything.
[08:19] <baHam> bestadvocate, just get the ubuntu skin :)
[08:20] <baHam> bestadvocate, http://img71.exs.cx/img71/3006/Screenshot13.jpg
[08:20] <baHam> bestadvocate, my screenshot.. look down under.. there is the skin i am talkin about
[08:21] <baHam> bestadvocate, see.. ? You can also use Winamp skins on Xmms ;)
[08:21] <Hoodster> I found it at the ubuntu wiki. Looks like October 20th for 4.10 final.
[08:21] <colin_> I figured it out
[08:22] <Hoodster> Thanks to all for providing information. This IRC channel is really helpful. Cya!
[08:22] <usual> ubuntu doesn't play mp3's by default
[08:22] <bestadvocate> thats a nice setup dude, but xmms still lacks those nice easy playlist features that rythmbox has built in
[08:23] <usual> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:23] <usual> thats why i couldn't play mp3's
[08:23] <usual> but i still had sound
[08:24] <bestadvocate> xmms is a good program when i want to play my entire library though :]  
[08:24] <jpvcx> i prefer beep media player
[08:24] <bestadvocate> what?
[08:25] <jpvcx> beep media player
[08:25] <jpvcx> xmms + gtk2 interface
[08:25] <bestadvocate> what is the beep media player
[08:25] <krischan> after I executed "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", do I have something else to?
[08:25] <crimsun> http://beepmp.sf.net
[08:26] <crimsun> bestadvocate: it's a fork of XMMS, partially rewritten for 0.9.7rc to use Gtk2
[08:27] <bestadvocate> is it in the Ubuntu "universe"
[08:28] <baHam> crimsun, downloading the tar.gz..
[08:28] <kent> has any one gotten gdesklet working in ubuntu? I installed it with synaptic recently, but nothing happens when i start it. If i run it from gnome-terminal i see no errors, :(
[08:28] <baHam> kent, me
[08:28] <tvon|x31> you need to add a desklet
[08:28] <tvon|x31> I suspect
[08:28] <baHam> kent, first install the desklet then run gdesklets deskletname.display
[08:28] <jpvcx> bestadvocate:yes but its somewhat old
[08:29] <bestadvocate> thank you jpvcx
[08:29] <fragment> What are desklets?
[08:29] <kent> baHam, deskletname.display is a program/script to run from terminal, or?
[08:29] <baHam> yea.. you get them from gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[08:30] <Dethread> anyone know where to get the "old" login theme? I don't really like the new one (after doing apt-get upgradew) with the "naked" people, but I can't get rid of it
[08:30] <bestadvocate> so what caused the fork between xmms and beep?, ususally suck is frowned upon
[08:30] <bestadvocate> *such not suck
[08:31] <joolz> Dethread: computer, system config, login screen setup
[08:31] <baHam> Dethread, just go to GDM configuration and change it
[08:31] <Dethread> the old one is not there anymore though
[08:31] <Dethread> it got replaced
[08:31] <jpvcx> bestadvocate:http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/FAQ#How_did_the_fork_happen.3F
[08:31] <baHam> Dethread, do ya mean the splash screen or the gdm ?
[08:32] <Dethread> well, the splash screen where you log in, AND the little window where it says "starting services..." ( is that the gdm?)
[08:32] <joolz> i think he means that the human theme has been updated to include the fitness pepsi people
[08:32] <joolz> the old human theme is gone
[08:32] <Dethread> gone....forever? :(
[08:33] <baHam> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:33] <baHam> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:33] <baHam> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:33] <baHam> I have cpp ;_;
[08:33] <jpvcx> joolz:neh you can download it from the net
[08:33] <bestadvocate> jpvcx: interesting 
[08:34] <joolz> jpvcx: here's your chance to make Dethread a happy Dethread :) Have you got a link?
[08:34] <Dethread> yes, that'd be great....because I've been looking for a long time, and all I find is the new theme
[08:34] <jpvcx> brb
[08:36] <baHam> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:36] <baHam> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:36] <baHam> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:36] <baHam> ;_;
[08:37] <Dethread> joolz: ah, I think I found it....just checked the iso I used to install ubuntu :)
[08:37] <jpvcx> found it: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=16993
[08:37] <joolz> jpvcx: thanks!
[08:37] <Dethread> wow, thanks jpvcx
[08:38] <martink> baHam: are libc6-dev and linux-kernel-headers installed. I seem to remember that this error message was misleading quite often.
[08:38] <martink> s/installed./installed?
[08:38] <joolz> brb
[08:39] <baHam> martink, ???
[08:39] <martink> baHam: install libc6-dev if you haven't already
[08:39] <baHam> have em
[08:39] <martink> baHam: okay, so it has a different unintuitive solution...
[08:39] <Raane> i would like to burn some audio cd's
[08:39] <baHam> martink, have em already
[08:39] <Raane> and not convert it myself
[08:39] <baHam> yep ;_;
[08:42] <ob> anyone know how to keep abiword from defaulting back to UK English?
[08:42] <ob> and half of ubuntu.  i can't find a regional setting anywhere.
[08:43] <Ninjas-Rezatm> woo
[08:43] <Ninjas-Rezatm> just got done playing warcraft
[08:43] <Ninjas-Rezatm> it works too well
[08:43] <Ninjas-Rezatm> you can't even tell that it's not Windows
[08:43] <badger> Ninjas-Rezatm, so it kept locking up?
[08:44] <jpvcx> Ninjas-Rezatm:does battle-net work?
[08:46] <joolz> jpvcx: the old theme works nicely. Hope it will not give any troubles, it has exactly the same name as the new one, and both are visible in the list
[08:46] <joolz> o well, if it stops someday i allways have runlevel 3 left :)
[08:47] <jpvcx> i haven't had any problems with the old theme...yet ^_^
[08:48] <bestadvocate> i want to get warcraft
[08:48] <bestadvocate> cant wait i bought some linux games there getting shiped to me :] 
[08:49] <joolz> bestadvocate: nice :) I hope soomeday there will be quake 1 debs. q2 is nice and all, but not really the real thing imo
[08:49] <bestadvocate> I still have Civ call to power from back in the day when i bought Corel Linux (my first install)
[08:51] <ob> so about ubuntu annoying tendency to assume i'm a UK english speaker...
[08:51] <ob> where do i fix that?
[08:52] <ob> because i don't mine spelling analyze with an 's', but my co-workers might.
[08:52] <bestadvocate> I would just speak UK english and talk about colours 
[08:52] <Kamion> install with US English? :)
[08:52] <ob> i *did*
[08:52] <Kamion> what does 'locale' say?
[08:52] <ob> abiword, dia, and a few others keep resetting to UK.
[08:53] <Kamion> sounds more likely to be a lack of US English translation in those programs
[08:53] <Ninjas-Rezatm> badger: it works fine
[08:53] <badger> 8)
[08:53] <Ninjas-Rezatm> jpvcx: yes, battle net works, even 4v4 just fine
[08:53] <Kamion> it's not uncommon for the English text for programs to be written in either British or American English depending on the author
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> http://madpenguin.org
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> the connection was refused
[08:53] <FLeiXiuS> is the site down>
[08:54] <ob> when gecko becomes a kpart for konqueror, i'm going to kde.
[08:54] <FLeiXiuS> whoops, wrong channel :-P
[08:54] <bestadvocate> wooohooo! i got rythmbox to work!
[08:56] <bestadvocate> ok ob thats great
[08:56] <bestadvocate> i dont like kde any more (easyer to make gnome look at act the way minimalistic way i like it
[08:57] <bestadvocate> I really am not a fan of the gnome or kde browsers as is though :] 
[08:57] <lrn> I want to install to my gnome an addon like torsmo 
[08:58] <lrn> i want something good :)
[08:58] <bestadvocate> wahts that ?
[08:58] <bestadvocate> what is torsmo
[08:58] <lrn> its placed in the desktop and show's u the system info,file sysyem cpu usage etc..
[08:59] <jpvcx> like system monitor?
[08:59] <ThreeDayMonk> I have two sound problems.  Although sound is working, the gnome panel applet doesn't work any more (it used to).
[08:59] <lrn> jpvcx no
[08:59] <ThreeDayMonk> I installed KDE - is it likely to be connected?
[08:59] <lrn> its show's u the on the desktop background the system info
[09:00] <bestadvocate> anyone have a better OGG ripper than the default Ubuntu one, one with quality control?
[09:01] <lrn> bestadvocate and jpvcx look
[09:01] <lrn> http://img92.exs.cx/img92/1752/drago.jpg
[09:01] <Treenaks> bestadvocate: it's planned for sound juicer..
[09:01] <lrn> right side down...
[09:01] <Treenaks> bestadvocate: there's a "Coming soon" thing in there
[09:01] <jpvcx> lrn:aah looks cool
[09:01] <lrn> not my pc
[09:01] <lrn> but i want it
[09:02] <bestadvocate> Treenaks: I would use it if they had it, but 6 meg songs is rediculous, i need a replacement
[09:03] <bestadvocate> lrn: was your goal to make me salvate because you succeded
[09:03] <cbaoth> I'm having some problems installing ubuntu on my powermac G4. The keyboard doesn't work once the kernel is loaded... is there a work around? Regular debian-installer doesn't work either FWIW.
[09:03] <lrn> bestadvocate i did`nt
[09:04] <jpvcx> lrn:http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/ thats the offical website right?
[09:04] <bestadvocate> so anyone know a good quality control ogg ripper that I can get untill sound juicer improves?
[09:05] <lrn> hmm
[09:09] <bestadvocate> its quiet in here
[09:10] <LinuxJones> bestadvocate, grip is very good
[09:10] <bestadvocate> is that in univers?
[09:10] <LinuxJones> ya
[09:10] <bestadvocate> cool I'll try it
[09:11] <mirak_> i just broke my install, well a bit ago, i just reinstalled
[09:11] <LinuxJones> bestadvocate, it's been a while since I used it :)
[09:12] <bestadvocate> :/ well hopefully its got more features than sound juicer
[09:18] <Skif> hrm... soundjuicer doesn't seem to be fetching cddb information for my CDs... is there a setting somewhere I should be checking to make this happen?
[09:18] <bestadvocate> no its a problem i have had too
[09:18] <Skif> oh, drat
[09:18] <bestadvocate> my workaround is to just start the cd player
[09:19] <Skif> I normally use abcde, but it's choking on some japanese cd players
[09:19] <bestadvocate> and then copy the song titles by hand
[09:19] <Skif> s/players//
[09:19] <Skif> I wonder if that'll work with i18n
[09:19] <ThreeDayMonk> is anyone using a usb audio device?
[09:20] <bestadvocate> im rather upset with sound juicer myself right now, i think its included with Ubuntu just because its so minimalistic
[09:20] <Skif> Yeah
[09:20] <Skif> The only reason I'm even trying it is that abcde is completely deleting all japanese characters in the song titles, and that's less than ideal when that's all there is. :)
[09:25] <FLeiXiuS> Lots of people browsing the forums today
[09:25] <FLeiXiuS> :-P
[09:25] <bestadvocate> really 
[09:26] <bestadvocate> Ubunut is number 5 on the 1 month distrowatch ranking!
[09:26] <bestadvocate> just passed up knoppix
[09:27] <jpvcx> 22 people, maybe i should register ;)
[09:27] <mirak_> and that is up from 31 from 6 moths ago
[09:28] <will> okay, if i want to compile a new kernel for ubuntu, can i use the debian HOW-TO as a guide?
[09:29] <bestadvocate> i would think so, but the people at ubuntu provide a bunch of kernals so you really dont have too
[09:29] <will> bestadvocate: where do i find these?
[09:30] <bestadvocate> do you use synaptic?
[09:30] <Kamion> linux-image-*
[09:30] <will> ah, good starting point! its just i need to tweak the HDD drive in my pc, as its causing problems
[09:33] <JoePenguin> i kept seeing ubuntu on the web and finally had to look into it
[09:33] <mirak_> joepenguin, its good stuff
[09:34] <JoePenguin> i'm using vanilla debian now, but i've been a little dissatisfied lately. I'm looking for something with a little more polish.
[09:34] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu has plenty of polish
[09:34] <JoePenguin> but debian-based would be good :)
[09:35] <JoePenguin> i'll give it a try, i think
[09:35] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: But the official release should be on the 20th.
[09:35] <bestadvocate> Watch out for that crazy splash screen!
[09:35] <JoePenguin> oh. i'll wait a few days then
[09:35] <Dethread> yes
[09:35] <jbroome> it'll eat your BRANE!
[09:35] <Dethread> the splash screen is....weird
[09:35] <wm_eddie> I could do without the splash screen...
[09:35] <cbaoth> No point in waiting, you can just dist-upgrade to the release packages.
[09:35] <jbroome> the splash screen is ... pointy
[09:35] <JoePenguin> is that when booting, or installing?
[09:35] <wm_eddie> Since I use my laptop in class, I need something worksafe...
[09:36] <jpvcx> booting
[09:36] <jbroome> it's not goatse.  it's fine
[09:36] <bestadvocate> lol jbroome
[09:36] <JoePenguin> sounds like something i would want to turn off
[09:36] <cbaoth> Urrgh.
[09:36] <cbaoth> upgrade, not distupgrade. ;_,
[09:36] <JoePenguin> i like to see all my boot messages without a splash screen, or at least of the option.l
[09:36] <Kamion> JoePenguin: we don't have bootsplash (yet)
[09:37] <CraHan> ok so I'm running ubuntu :)
[09:37] <mirak_> joepenguin, go to ubuntu.org, the picture on the right is the splash screen they are trippin about
[09:37] <CraHan> but (obviously)
[09:37] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: They are talking about Gnome' splash screen.
[09:37] <CraHan> when inserting a cdrom, gnome doesn't mount it and show a cdrom icon on the desktop
[09:37] <JoePenguin> wow... i went to ubuntu.org and firefox crashed
[09:37] <CraHan> I can automount usb CF cards either
[09:37] <Dethread> that's not good
[09:37] <mirak_> crahan, it does for me
[09:37] <CraHan> *can't
[09:37] <BeanDip> Hi everybody, I'm BeanDip
[09:37] <CraHan> mirak_: yeah it obviously should 
[09:37] <mirak_> crahan, ill test it right now
[09:37] <sg> anyone know any good howtos for debian/ubuntu and wlan/powerbook?
[09:38] <BeanDip> I am a new Ubuntu convert
[09:38] <BeanDip> and a linux vet
[09:38] <JoePenguin> BeanDip: your name reminds me that i'm getting hungry
[09:38] <Skif> Actually, you want ubuntulinux.org
[09:38] <Skif> ubuntu.org is a very different site
[09:38] <mirak_> crahan, sorry, im a newb, i didnt kow that it should, i thought it was a ubuntu tweak
[09:38] <bestadvocate> lol joepenguin, you should report to firefoxes bugzilla
[09:38] <CraHan> mirak_: but someone telling me: "it works for me" doesn't really help me :), I know it works for others since I'm observing it as a problem
[09:38] <BeanDip> just wanted to stop in and say thanks to the folks developing ubuntu
[09:38] <wm_eddie> JoePenguin: I just went to ubuntu.org and my firefox didn't crash :)
[09:39] <JoePenguin> oh ok. the splash screen is the one with those three half-naked people?
[09:39] <Dethread> http://www.ubuntufaq.org is still down :(
[09:39] <bestadvocate> yessir
[09:39] <jbroome> you know I just booted ubuntu and the splash screen wrecked my car, killed my cat, and impregnated my girlfriend.  It truely is the devil.
[09:39] <JoePenguin> and the login prompt in the middle. it looks like they are inviting you in to an orgy or something :P
[09:39] <BeanDip> I only have 1 problem with ubuntu and that is exactly what JoePenguin just mentioned
[09:39] <Treenaks> jbroome: ah so THAT's why the default theme is called "Human"
[09:40] <mirak_> beandip, so change it
[09:40] <Dethread> yes...which is why I went back to the older human theme
[09:40] <BeanDip> WTF is up with that queer-ass theme this month?
[09:40] <bestadvocate> lol
[09:40] <wm_eddie> BeanDip: It's not queer...
[09:40] <BeanDip> mirak_: I did, but it took me by suprise and had my co-workers laughing at my laptop
[09:40] <BeanDip> :P
[09:40] <wm_eddie> quite the opposite I assure you!
[09:40] <JoePenguin> hehe
[09:40] <mirak_> beandip, hahahaha
[09:40] <sg> it's a cool theme
[09:40] <bestadvocate> well the girls are hot
[09:40] <sg> bit more sexy than a fat penguin ;-)
[09:41] <bestadvocate> nothing is more sexy than a fat penguin!
[09:41] <BeanDip> it's rate as not queer if the girls were showing as much skin as baldy
[09:41] <BeanDip> it'd*
[09:41] <Dethread> I liked that picture of "sabrina" they used to have on the wiki page :)
[09:41] <Dethread> good thing I saved it before they took it off :)
[09:41] <wm_eddie> Dethread: hehe
[09:41] <mirak_> who is sabrina???
[09:41] <wm_eddie> mirak_: You missed it.
[09:41] <JoePenguin> wasn't that a tv show?
[09:42] <mirak_> wm_eddie, :(
[09:42] <Dethread> not that sabrina
[09:42] <BeanDip> JoePenguin: It was an Archie comics character turned into an even more lame TV show
[09:42] <BeanDip> :P
[09:43] <BeanDip> I just installed ubuntu on my laptop and it seems some changes were made to the repositories since my desktop installation.  I now cannot install mplayer due to missing libraries.  Also I cannot install Kino or transcode for DVD and media authoring due to similar reasons
[09:43] <BeanDip> is this a known problem?
[09:44] <bestadvocate> i have no idea how you even managed to get mplayer installed the first tiem
[09:45] <jpvcx> Beandip:what repositorie are you using for mplayer?
[09:46] <BeanDip> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:46] <bestadvocate> I reccomend this backround with the human theme :)  http://users.mercyhurst.edu/rmoreh59/www/pics/Debian-3-1.png
[09:46] <jpvcx> change it to testing
[09:46] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: it just worked fine on the 15 systems I set up for clients
[09:47] <Livewire-> does/will Ubuntu have Enlightenment
[09:47] <Livewire-> ?
[09:47] <jpvcx> so it should be deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[09:47] <BeanDip> Livewire-: it does
[09:47] <bestadvocate> Livewire-: no
[09:47] <wm_eddie> Livewire-: Ubuntu only officially supports Gnome.
[09:47] <BeanDip> none of the e17 based apps exist in the repositories, but all of E16 is there
[09:47] <bestadvocate> Livewire-: gnome is the only one suppoerted
[09:48] <Livewire-> Why do i see KDE base in Universe?
[09:48] <BeanDip> you have to add the universal sources though
[09:48] <Livewire-> i dont like KDE btw
[09:48] <Livewire-> but theres bits of it floating about
[09:48] <wm_eddie> Livewire-: What's in Universe isn't supported.
[09:48] <BeanDip> Livewire-: then don't use kde
[09:48] <Kamion> Livewire-: universe == the rest of Debian that isn't in Ubuntu
[09:48] <Livewire-> i see
[09:49] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, have you tried MainActor ?
[09:49] <BeanDip> Kamion: universe == SOME of the rest of debian
[09:49] <jpvcx> Beandip:did that solve your problem?
[09:49] <Kamion> BeanDip: all of Debian main, as long as it built.
[09:49] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: I don't intend to use a non free app
[09:49] <Kamion> BeanDip: which happens to be nearly all of it.
[09:49] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: I'd rather use cinellera or Kino
[09:49] <LinuxJones> ya
[09:50] <Kamion> BeanDip: BTW contrib and non-free aren't actually considered part of Debian; they're merely shipped by the Debian project
[09:50] <bestadvocate> anyone else have problems with the ubuntu cd crashing when booted on laptops?
[09:50] <rublind> Anyone willing to help me with my sound problem?
[09:50] <mirak_> rublind, lol
[09:50] <rublind> mirak_ no one has helped much. :P
[09:51] <mirak_> rublind, i wish i could.....ia m sorry
[09:51] <Livewire-> does anybody know of a LiveCD with Enlightenment on?
[09:51] <bestadvocate> rublind, i dont know anything myself ether
[09:51] <BeanDip> jpvcx: We'll see, I'm in the middle of an update on this laptop as it is
[09:51] <rublind> It's alright.
[09:51] <BeanDip> I will try the testing tree in a moment
[09:51] <Tzalidar> i recently did a reinstall on my computer, and i wonder if i can install ubuntu from the preview release disc and then do a dist-upgrade, or do i need to fetch the release candidate disc and install with it?
[09:51] <mirak_> livewire. google search for "live linux distro with enlightenment"
[09:51] <jbroome> Livewire-: it may be an option on knoppix
[09:52] <bestadvocate> I know of a distro that uses Enlightenemt only Livewire
[09:52] <BeanDip> Livewire-: I believe Knoppix as E
[09:52] <Kamion> Tzalidar: either's fine
[09:52] <mirak_> tzalidar, dist-upgrade will work
[09:52] <Livewire-> bestadvocate .. Evil Entity is dead if thats what you are about to suggest
[09:52] <Tzalidar> great :)
[09:52] <Tzalidar> as i thought
[09:52] <mirak_> tzalidar, yes
[09:52] <Tzalidar> hmm, wonder if i should do a custom install? :)
[09:52] <bestadvocate> dead, when did htat happen ?
[09:52] <BeanDip> are there any mirrors for the ubuntu apt sources?  I'm only pulling a papthetic 35kB/s donload from them
[09:53] <BeanDip> pathetic
[09:53] <bestadvocate> gd all the cool distros (except this one)\
[09:53] <mirak_> does ubuntu support netselect????
[09:53] <wm_eddie> BeanDip: I get that speed from non official ones.
[09:53] <jpvcx> BeanDip:http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[09:53] <Despair> rublind: have you put snd_emu10k1 in /etc/modules.conf, and rebooted? and it didn't make a difference?
[09:53] <Livewire-> ages ago.. the lead programms stopped working on it regularly
[09:53] <Livewire-> the build off the website is from 2002
[09:54] <Tzalidar> hmm another question, can i make hotplug not load the modules for my onbourd sound card
[09:54] <rublind> I did, and that changed nothing
[09:54] <wm_eddie> I always get nearly 400KB/s from the official apt sources.
[09:54] <Tzalidar> because i want to use my audigy card as primary withouth fiddling
[09:54] <bestadvocate> *tear
[09:54] <BeanDip> rublind: what sound card are you using?
[09:54] <rublind> Creative Labs, Audigy.
[09:54] <mirak_> tzalidar, rublind, you guys should work together
[09:54] <BeanDip> I have an Audigy2ZS platinum Pro working perfectly under ubuntu
[09:54] <LinuxJones> Tzalidar, add the module names to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:54] <bestadvocate> (i never got it to install, too many bugs, but i kept waiting for a new release
[09:55] <BeanDip> what problem are you running into?
[09:55] <rublind> Hotplug fun as Despair put it.
[09:55] <Livewire-> bestadvocate #evilentity
[09:56] <mirak_> livewire, haha its empty
[09:56] <Livewire-> whats funny mirak_?
[09:57] <Livewire-> were you not reading
[09:57] <Livewire-> [20:53]  <Livewire-> ages ago.. the lead programms stopped working on it regularly
[09:57] <Livewire-> [20:53]  <Livewire-> the build off the website is from 2002
[09:57] <Despair> rublind: I got CL cards working for 2 other people with the /etc/modules trick. I can't see why it doesn't work for you. :/
[09:57] <mirak_> livewire, i see your point, i thought you were just pointing to the room, not proving its dead
[09:58] <bestadvocate> i told them to make the undead less dead
[09:58] <BeanDip> Anyone  else in here play with the multiverse?  there are some good apps in there
[09:58] <Livewire-> theres a few people in the channel who still want to create an unbloated distro with a few progs using Enlightenment
[09:58] <Livewire-> but they lack direction/time ect.
[09:59] <bestadvocate> i lack knowledge
[09:59] <LinuxJones> Is the Live CD based on Gnoppix ?
[09:59] <BeanDip> I know Rasterman, he lacks direction and time in the extremes
[09:59] <Kamion> it's based on Morphix
[09:59] <Livewire-> LinuxJones: Morphix i think
[09:59] <BeanDip> Enlightenment 17 is a looooooooooong way off
[10:00] <jacob> When will Ubuntu 4.10 be released ?
[10:00] <tseng> jacob: oct 20
[10:00] <LinuxJones> Kamion, great Morphix makes for easy re-mastering :)
[10:00] <BeanDip> jacob: oct 20 2010
[10:00] <jacob> tseng, thanks
[10:00] <BeanDip> :D
[10:00] <bestadvocate> Enlightenment 1.7 needs a multimillion dollar corporation to fund it for no reason with no personal benefits
[10:01] <Livewire-> is making ur own Morphix easy?
[10:01] <bestadvocate> i dont know
[10:01] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: 1.7 definitely would, but since .17 is where they are at, maybe it won't take so much
[10:01] <BeanDip> there's a BIG diff between DR.17 and 1.7 :D
[10:01] <lamont> speaking of the live CD...
[10:02] <Livewire-> im interested in having a Firefox/Rythmbox/GAIM Morphix
[10:02] <Skif> lamont: got one yet :)
[10:02] <lamont> anyone fetched and verified the working nature of the poorly-named http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041018-16.iso
[10:02] <lamont> ?
[10:02] <lamont> Skif: you'd want the home edition.
[10:02] <rublind> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found <-- what does that mean? >_<
[10:02] <BeanDip> I see a dir for hoary on the apt source servers, is it possible to dist-upgrade and start using it?
[10:03] <jpvcx> BeanDip:tried that, didn't work
[10:03] <Despair> rublind: probably that you need to manually reset mixer settings, because it stores&loads them by card number, not name
[10:03] <BeanDip> jpvcx: how badly did it hose your system?
[10:04] <Despair> rublind: other possibility is that you broke something and it's not loading sound modules before trying to restore sound settings.
[10:04] <rublind> Despair, how would I load snd_emu10k1 ?
[10:04] <jpvcx> BeanDip: it complained that it could find the package (i 'am going to try it again to see if something happens)
[10:04] <jpvcx> *could not
[10:05] <Despair> `modprobe snd_emu10k1` to do it immediately. add it on a separate line in /etc/modules to have it load at boot.
[10:05] <rublind> Okay.
[10:05] <rublind> That didn't change anything Despair. >_<
[10:06] <Despair> actually, should be `sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1`
[10:06] <rublind> Okay.
[10:06] <BeanDip> d
[10:06] <tolstoy> Folks, is there a way to get sbcl (common lisp) to install via apt-get?
[10:06] <rublind> My volume control thing still doesn't work.
[10:07] <tolstoy> I can get tons of common-lisp packages, just no compiler!
[10:07] <Despair> rublind: any error messages?
[10:07] <rublind> Sorry, the module and/or devices could not be found
[10:07] <rublind> Or something similar
[10:07] <tolstoy> I've tried looking for a package list on the web site, so far no luck.
[10:07] <Despair> it did that when you tried to modprobe it?
[10:08] <rublind> No.
[10:08] <rublind> It said nothing when I modprobe'd it, but when I go to volume control, to check on it.
[10:09] <lamont> rublind: let me kick sbcl for you: it's currently dep-wait sbcl. :-(
[10:09] <rublind> What? >_<
[10:10] <BeanDip> rublind you need to modprobe the following modules and add them to your /etc/modules   snd-emu10k1 snd-enu10k1-gp snd-emu10k1-synth snd-seq-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss
[10:10] <tolstoy> lamont, you mean me?
[10:10] <will> hi how do i change MIME associations?
[10:10] <BeanDip> that will give you audigy support and oss compatibility for the badly behaving apps
[10:11] <tolstoy> lamont, is there a way for me to detect that there's something wrong with a package, you know, in case I want to report it via bugzilla?
[10:11] <tolstoy> lamont, I'm not quite "up" on the apt-* toolset.
[10:11] <BeanDip> it has worked on every audigy based system I've set up which is mostly what my friends and clients use
[10:11] <BeanDip> so try that and tell me if it works
[10:11] <rublind> Okay, one minute.
[10:12] <Despair> BeanDip: ubuntu happily loads all those for me, without any tinkering. his problem is that hotplug is finding his builtin sound which he doesn't want to use, and setting that as primary device, and a lot of dumb apps are insisting on outputting sound to it, rather than the one he wants to use.
[10:13] <BeanDip> rublind: did you happen to disable your onboard sound card in the system bios?
[10:14] <Tzalidar> BeanDip, can i do that?
[10:14] <Tzalidar> that would be great, cuz i never use my onboard sound
[10:14] <Tzalidar> so on some distros (like ubuntu) where it is detected, it creates a lot of trouble
[10:14] <rublind> BeanDip, I looked.
[10:14] <rublind> There was no option.
[10:15] <will> any one know how to change file type associations under gnome?
[10:15] <subterrific> if you switch everything over to using ALSA, you can set which sound card is the default
[10:15] <BeanDip> Most sytem Bios options include one for enabling/disabling onboard sound
[10:15] <rublind> And when I did modprobe snd-emu10k1-gp it said snd_emu10k1_gp not found
[10:15] <Despair> Tzalidar: is your onboard sound using the `snd_intel8x0` module? if so, you can just add `snd_intel8x0` to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and it shouldn't autoload anymore.
[10:15] <rublind> My bios is retarded. >_<
[10:15] <BeanDip> also you can specify which soundcard is used as the primary with an alias in /etc/modprobe.conf
[10:15] <Tzalidar> BeanDip: HORRAY! :)
[10:15] <rublind> Uh, okay.
[10:16] <BeanDip> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=MultipleCards
[10:16] <Tzalidar> great! :)
[10:16] <BeanDip> read that link to learn how to use multiple soundcards under linux and specify the order in which they are laoded and used
[10:16] <Tzalidar> i'll install ubuntu tomorrow i think, reinstalled my computer yesterday
[10:16] <BeanDip> if you still need help with it, I'll start sticking around this channel or you can find me on EFNet in #linuxwarez
[10:17] <will> DOES any one know how to change file type associations under gnome?
[10:17] <Tzalidar> thankz
[10:17] <wm_eddie> #linuxwarez?
[10:17] <wm_eddie> that's sad...
[10:17] <rublind> Thanks BeanDip
[10:17] <subterrific> will: right-click on file->properties->open with
[10:18] <BeanDip> wm_eddie: It's not a "warez" piracy channel
[10:18] <will> subterrific: i want to change a lot!
[10:18] <BeanDip> #linuxwarez is a channel dating back to 1994 
[10:18] <wm_eddie> Gnome's 2.8's open with is strange.
[10:18] <wm_eddie> oh wow.
[10:18] <subterrific> will: that will change it for every file of that type
[10:18] <wm_eddie> Gnome's 2.6 open with was awesome, but really complicated.
[10:19] <bestadvocate> why do people keep postulating that Gnome is dead?
[10:19] <will> subterific: Thanks!
[10:19] <Tzalidar> hmm, first thing i need to test is if my usb stick gets mounted automagically :)
[10:19] <Tzalidar> that would be very cool :)
[10:19] <wm_eddie> bestadvocate: where?
[10:19] <BeanDip> the folks in #linuxwarez are some of the smartest and most helpful linux experts around, albeit the commeradery has grown between us to the point where it has become a daily hangout and talk-shit to eachother forum, but we are pretty much some of the most knowledgable linux folks on IRC
[10:19] <wm_eddie> Tzalidar: When you are installing have the usbsitck pluged in, and maybe it will.
[10:20] <bestadvocate> (one seccond booting google
[10:20] <BeanDip> wm_eddie: if you are looking for linux "warez" try #tuxwarez on EFNet
[10:20] <subterrific> wm_eddie: no need, it will work just fine
[10:21] <subterrific> the ubuntu kernel has everything enabled as a module
[10:21] <Tzalidar> mw_eddie, cool
[10:21] <BeanDip> Tzalidar: your USB Stick should, if it doesn't you can ask me and I'll help you setup an fstab entryto enable it to automount
[10:22] <BeanDip> ubuntu and gnome will probably automount it and recognize it as a digital camera (that has happened to alot of folks I know)
[10:22] <Tzalidar> BeanDip; yeah, a friend of mine got his usb drive working and automounted
[10:22] <BeanDip> bestadvocate: can you teach me to "boot google"?
[10:22] <BeanDip> rofl
[10:22] <Tzalidar> i just love gnome :)
[10:22] <bestadvocate> yes yes i can
[10:22] <wm_eddie> I think Miguel de Icaza said it best "Gnome is like a fine wine."
[10:23] <Tzalidar> goodnight everybody!
[10:23] <bestadvocate> first you must find the google Operating system
[10:23] <bestadvocate> then you must istall it
[10:24] <will> what cann you use to play .qt (apple quicktime) files with?
[10:24] <wm_eddie> totem-xine?
[10:24] <will> nope
[10:24] <wm_eddie> With win32dlls :)
[10:25] <BeanDip> will: totem-gstreamer or mplayer if you have the qt codecs installed
[10:25] <BeanDip> the w32codecs
[10:25] <baHam> how to open .iso's on linux without burning?
[10:25] <bestadvocate> i want the google operating system with the google browser
[10:25] <wm_eddie> baHam: mount it.
[10:26] <jbroome> mount -o loop 
[10:26] <JoePenguin> baHam: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/somewhere/
[10:26] <will> beandip: thanks dloading now!
[10:26] <CraHan> so what's not working when I insert a cd and gnome doesn't mount it?
[10:26] <CraHan> hal recognizes the cdrom
[10:26] <CraHan> I can mount it manually
[10:26] <CraHan> hotplug is running
[10:26] <CraHan> and hal/dbus are installed
[10:26] <BeanDip> baHam: mount -o loop foobar.iso /mountpoint
[10:26] <CraHan> as is gnome-volume-manager
[10:27] <BeanDip> rublind how is that audigy card coming>
[10:28] <BeanDip> oh, nevermind he's gone
[10:31] <will> why is gstreamer so sh*t?
[10:31] <|trey|> will: its not, you just don't have all the codecs needed  :/
[10:32] <mac> hello, does any one know from where I can download ubuntu kernel source?
[10:32] <|trey|> will: gstreamer is by far the best media system I have looked at technically... just, codecs are lacking
[10:33] <|trey|> mac: umm... synaptic?
[10:33] <|trey|> mac: install linux-source-<uname -r>
[10:34] <mac> i don;t have internet access from my linux box, that is why I need the source to activate acm module for my usb modem
[10:34] <tolstoy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sbcl/  <-- and yet apt-get can't see it.  Hm.
[10:34] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham/ut #  mount -o loop /home/baham/Unreal_Tournament_-_Linux.iso /mnt/cdrom
[10:34] <baHam> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[10:34] <baHam> root@ubuntu:/home/baham/ut #
[10:34] <tolstoy> Ah, no debs in that directory.
[10:34] <aitrus> baHam: modprobe loop
[10:35] <BeanDip> baHam: echo loop >> /etc/modules
[10:35] <BeanDip> the
[10:35] <BeanDip> then
[10:35] <BeanDip> modprobe loop
[10:36] <baHam> the linux ut installer is telling me to mount the unreal tournament for linux cdrom..
[10:36] <mac> thanks tolstoy, I found it in the URL that you posted
[10:36] <baHam> I mounted the iso on /mnt/cdrom0
[10:37] <baHam> you think it's better if I burn it ?
[10:37] <aitrus> baHam: maybe you should ask #warez
[10:38] <baHam> asdasd
[10:38] <baHam> :D
[10:39] <BeanDip> aitrus: let's asume he has an iso backup of his original cd and help him
[10:39] <baHam> right :D
[10:39] <rublind> Does vnc come with ubuntu?
[10:40] <BeanDip> if he's got a warez copy leave it to his cdkey to put a kink in his day
[10:40] <__daniel> baHam, if you're brave strace the the ut-installer and have a look where he looks for the CD :-)
[10:40] <aitrus> BeanDip: okay.  baHam, get your original out and put it in the drive
[10:40] <__daniel> rublind, vino should be capable of it
[10:40] <BeanDip> baHam: try making a dir /mnt/cdrom
[10:40] <rublind> Okay, thanks.
[10:40] <baHam> I borrowed to my cousin, aitrus :)
[10:40] <BeanDip> and mounting the iso there
[10:40] <baHam> i tryied BeanDip 
[10:40] <baHam> I think i'll burn it
[10:40] <baHam> :| I'll delete my debian sarge cd-rw
[10:40] <baHam> :>
[10:41] <BeanDip> then give me root access on you box via ssh and I'll fix it :D
[10:41] <baHam> ahaha
[10:41] <baHam> :>
[10:41] <BeanDip> ;)
[10:41] <tolstoy> mac, is there a way to get sbcl to deb form based on the info in that directory?
[10:42] <baHam> what d u say.. ibook or pwrbook ?
[10:42] <toyowheelin> how do you unmount something after using pmount
[10:42] <BeanDip> pwrbook
[10:42] <BeanDip> umount
[10:42] <jason> What do you want it for baHam
[10:42] <jason> ?
[10:42] <toyowheelin> humm ok
[10:42] <jason> and whats your budget?
[10:42] <baHam> humm
[10:43] <baHam> have 700$ anyways :D
[10:43] <baHam> waitin for more money
[10:43] <baHam> just for normal use.. ya know.. chat, forum, and work stuff ;> i'd prefer ib00k
[10:43] <__daniel> bye
[10:44] <jason> well I'd recommend a 14" iBook unless your doing photo editing in PS or video stuff 
[10:44] <baHam> reboot :>
[10:44] <jimi> hi there
[10:44] <baHam> jason, I HATE PHOTOSHOP
[10:44] <baHam> GIMP >>>> ALL
[10:44] <jason> video stuff as in video editing not watching movies
[10:45] <baHam> now I'm gonna reboot cu in 1 min
[10:45] <jason> you can easily do that on iBook and you have a rocksolid battery life
[10:45] <jason> with an iBook
[10:45] <jimi> hum
[10:45] <jimi> are there cool video authoring tools on linux?
[10:46] <LinuxJones> jimi, not really no
[10:46] <jason> there is one like movie maker
[10:46] <jimi> :/
[10:46] <jason> I forget what its called
[10:46] <jason> nothing like Final Cut or anything 
[10:46] <jason> hopefully soon though
[10:47] <jason> Linux needs better content creation tools
[10:47] <jason> The Gimp is Photoshop
[10:47] <jason> NVU is not Dreamweaver
[10:47] <jimi> yep
[10:47] <LinuxJones> There is MainActor but it is supposed to be very buggy and costs 200 dollars
[10:48] <jason> and there is nothing for pro video editing
[10:48] <baHam> hey
[10:48] <baHam> k3b doesnt recognize my burner ;_;
[10:48] <overflow> howdy
[10:48] <toyowheelin> sup overflow
[10:49] <toyowheelin> did you get X working?
[10:49] <siretart> jason: NVU?
[10:49] <overflow> yes
[10:49] <toyowheelin> cool
[10:49] <jason> sec
[10:49] <BeanDip> jason and LinuxJones: there is a very good PROFESSIONAL video editing suite for linux
[10:49] <overflow> =D
[10:49] <baHam> k3b doesnt recognize my burner ;_;
[10:49] <overflow> but its somethnig wrong
[10:49] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:49] <baHam> something like k3b on gnome ?
[10:49] <baHam> ;_;
[10:50] <toyowheelin> :/
[10:50] <jason> http://www.nvu.com/
[10:50] <BeanDip> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[10:50] <jimi> BeanDip : ?
[10:50] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, don't say Cinellera please :D
[10:50] <Dethread> ;_;
[10:50] <BeanDip> Cinelerra IS THE SHIT
[10:50] <jason> awsome
[10:50] <baHam> jason, something like k3b on gnome ? ;________;
[10:50] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, does it do DV ?
[10:50] <jason> xCDroaster is good
[10:50] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: yes it does
[10:50] <BeanDip> and quite well
[10:50] <jason> but k3b owns all
[10:51] <baHam> it doesnt recognize my burner..
[10:51] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, I have only heard that Cinellera crashes all of the time.
[10:51] <jason> at all or in Ubuntu?
[10:51] <baHam> ubutnu..
[10:51] <baHam> on debian it did
[10:51] <BeanDip> baHam: try gcombust, xcdroast, or fireburner
[10:51] <jason> do you have universe in your apt sources
[10:51] <jason> ?
[10:51] <baHam> jason, sure
[10:51] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:51] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:51] <BeanDip> LinuxJones: only on a system not setup correctly
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <jason> you need some packages for it to get to work
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <overflow> i installed my ati driver from apt-get and the gdm everything
[10:52] <baHam> jason, like ?
[10:52] <overflow>                   works well but i can't get opengl working :(
[10:52] <jason> sec
[10:52] <will> is anyone good with WINE here?
[10:52] <Dethread> overflow, stop that please
[10:52] <jason> cdrao for one
[10:52] <overflow> up
[10:52] <overflow> sorry
[10:52] <overflow> lol
[10:52] <baHam> will, what do u need
[10:52] <baHam> jason, apt-get install cdrao ?
[10:52] <BeanDip> overflow please learn to type rather than cut'n'paste flooding the channel
[10:52] <jason> just search for cd-r in Synaptic
[10:52] <jason> under name and description
[10:52] <will> i want to run a program.... and i get errors all the time
[10:53] <will> is there an alternative?
[10:53] <overflow> lol sorry to all 
[10:53] <BeanDip> will: use crossover office and/or transgaming's Cedega if you want good/stable wine
[10:53] <overflow> really sorry 
[10:53] <jason> which program do you want run?
[10:53] <jason> some just wont run under wine
[10:53] <jason> or anything other than a full blown lowlevel emulator
[10:53] <joolz> what is the toplevel script for x / gnome? I want to insert ssh-agent so i don't have to type my password so often
[10:53] <baHam> jason, what to do in synaptic ??
[10:54] <BeanDip> will you can always run vmware and boot windows under linux
[10:54] <BeanDip> joolz: ~/.Xsession
[10:54] <joolz> BeanDip: ah. thanks
[10:54] <BeanDip> if you are loging in through gdm
[10:54] <BeanDip> or if you are under gnome
[10:54] <BeanDip> just open the session editor
[10:55] <joolz> BeanDip: i guess gdm, it's a default ubuntu
[10:55] <will> beandip: can i boot a version already on my pc?
[10:55] <will> win98
[10:55] <jason> meh you need cdrao for K3b but it isnt on the Universe repository
[10:55] <BeanDip> joolz then just click Computer>Desktop Preferences>Sessions
[10:55] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, what do you mean not set up correctly ?
[10:55] <BeanDip> will, yes
[10:55] <baHam> jason, it recognises my pioneer burner on the left but when I want to erase cd-rw, on burning device there is nothing ..
[10:55] <jason> search google for a .deb
[10:55] <joolz> session editor won't work, it waits for a few minutes
[10:55] <baHam> jason, it recognises my pioneer burner on the left but when I want to erase cd-rw, on burning device there is nothing ..
[10:56] <jason> yeah I think you still need cdrao
[10:56] <baHam> jason, how is the package called
[10:56] <will> beandip thanks will try!
[10:56] <BeanDip> LinuxJones, that is a question you should field to the cinellera mailing list, I do not have the time to go into helping you setup a professional HD Video editing workstation
[10:56] <jason> http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/
[10:56] <BeanDip> although I am available for consultation if you want to hire me
[10:56] <jason> cdrdao sorry
[10:56] <jason> I spelled it wrong
[10:57] <jason> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cdrdao/cdrdao-1.1.9.tar.gz?download
[10:57] <jason> download that
[10:57] <sean_> I was hoping someone could tell me how to tell gnutella that I am not behind a firewall so that I can connect
[10:57] <jason> and compile and make install it
[10:57] <baHam> jason, i installed it by apt-get
[10:58] <baHam> jason, what to do now ?
[10:58] <tvon|x31> Is there a problem with the cdrdao package?
[10:58] <LinuxJones> BeanDip, well I didn't really ask you to do that heh
[10:58] <jason> thats weird I dont have cdrdao on my universe repository
[10:58] <baHam> you do
[10:58] <jason> maybe its cuz im on AMD64
[10:58] <baHam> cdrdao
[10:58] <tvon|x31> ah, possibly
[10:58] <baHam> maybe..
[10:58] <tvon|x31> It is in universe
[10:58] <baHam> what to do know ?
[10:59] <tvon|x31> or maybe restricted, but I suspect the former
[11:00] <jason> yeah I don't know why there wouldn't be AMD64 binarys
[11:00] <jason> thats weird
[11:01] <toyowheelin> jason, what binarys are you tring to find?
[11:01] <phin> hmmm
[11:01] <jason> cdrdao
[11:01] <tvon|x31> cdrdao toyowheelin
[11:02] <toyowheelin> humm 
[11:02] <phin> i wouldnt mind getting these hostap drivers working
[11:02] <phin> but im not having any luck
[11:02] <mirak_> any apps in the repository to use my tv tuner card???
[11:02] <tvon|x31> tvtime
[11:02] <toyowheelin> xawtv
[11:02] <mirak_> thnx
[11:02] <tvon|x31> np
[11:02] <mirak_> which of the 2 is better??
[11:02] <toyowheelin> tvtime prolly
[11:03] <mirak_> kk thnx
[11:03] <jason> tvtime won't tune my channels right, I'm on Canadian cable and I have an ATi TV Wonder
[11:03] <mirak_> umm, i get this when i open snaptic Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:03] <tvon|x31> tvtime is better
[11:03] <jason> anybody have a similar prob
[11:03] <jason> TVTIME uses dscaler plugins
[11:03] <jason> so it is superior
[11:04] <baHam> jason, 
[11:04] <tvon|x31> jason: tvtime works fine with me except that the channel numbers are off by 1
[11:04] <tvon|x31> dscaler plugins?
[11:04] <mirak_> can anyone help me????
[11:04] <jason> thats what it does for me too but the channels are not finetuned 
[11:04] <jason> they are off by one too
[11:04] <jason> dscaler is a really good tv de-interlacer for windows
[11:04] <jason> it is amazing
[11:05] <jason> people use it in home theatre pcs
[11:05] <tvon|x31> ah
[11:06] <jason> although I wish it was ported to Linux fully
[11:06] <jason> it is open source
[11:06] <jason> but it is based off DirectShow
[11:06] <jason> cedega wont run it either
[11:06] <baHam> when I reboot sometimes the mousewheel works, sometimes it doesnt -_-
[11:07] <jason> has your xserver been crashing baHam?
[11:07] <baHam> jason, nope
[11:07] <jason> hmm...
[11:07] <jason> what does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like?
[11:09] <baHam> jason, you realize that I cant paste it here, right ?
[11:09] <BeanDip> baHam: just paste the section for the mouse
[11:09] <jason> yes please
[11:10] <baHam> Section "InputDevice"
[11:10] <baHam>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[11:10] <baHam>         Driver          "mouse"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "CorePointer"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[11:10] <baHam>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[11:10] <baHam> EndSection
[11:11] <joolz> ahh that's better
[11:11] <phin> irssi rocks
[11:11] <joolz> and ssh-agent works fine now. i gave it priority 1, gnome didn't seem to like that. With prio 49 it's ok
[11:12] <jason> baHam im not sure that is the same as my config and works fine for me
[11:12] <joolz> xchat is ok, but i like to screen the app so i can restore it later
[11:12] <baHam> jason, hummmmmmmmmmmmm what do U have ?
[11:12] <jason> the only extra option I have is:
[11:12] <jason>  Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[11:12] <phin> i just like the simplicity of irssi
[11:13] <jason> other than that is exactly the same
[11:13] <will> where can i get VMware from?
[11:13] <phin> there website
[11:13] <jimi> from their website
[11:13] <baHam> jason, yours is plugged into the ps2 or usb ?
[11:13] <phin> you can download a free trial
[11:13] <jimi> and ask for a 30 day key
[11:13] <jason> usb
[11:13] <jason> it is an MX500
[11:13] <baHam> jason, which mouse do u have?
[11:13] <baHam> i have mx510
[11:13] <baHam> it should be the same
[11:13] <baHam> ;|
[11:13] <jason> yeah
[11:13] <jimi> has anyone got creative audigy working?
[11:14] <baHam> jimi, I got a SIS working, I dont think creative should be harder..
[11:14] <jimi> mine seems to work but with alsa, when gnome use oss -> no sond
[11:14] <jason> jimi: do you have the latest OSS and Alsa drivers
[11:14] <jason> ?
[11:14] <jimi> i dont know, presently i cant use ubuntu for another reason
[11:14] <jason> sudo alsaconfig
[11:14] <jimi> alsa mixer is ok
[11:14] <tolstoy> since sbcl is in "universe," I can't report its invisibility to apt-get on bugzilla.ubunto.com?
[11:14] <jimi> i got sound with alsa
[11:14] <jason> oh
[11:15] <jimi> but not with gnome and gnome apps
[11:15] <jason> I know this may maybe it is turned down with the gnome sound panel?
[11:15] <jimi> hum
[11:16] <jimi> i think its worse.. when gnome need sound, it use pc-speaker beeps 
[11:16] <jimi> =)
[11:16] <jimi> (like warning or alert sounds) 
[11:16] <jason> yeah you need OSS installed
[11:16] <jimi> how i do that?
[11:17] <jimi> its not by default?? alsa is in kernel, i would prefer alsa
[11:17] <jimi> i though oss was deprecated
[11:17] <jimi> anyway, it suprised me such common creative soundcard not beeing installed =)
[11:18] <joem> oss emulation via alsa
[11:18] <jimi> oh ok
[11:18] <jason> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[11:18] <jason> that should work
[11:19] <jimi> thanks! i will try that
[11:19] <jimi> :)
[11:19] <jimi> ( when install process bug will be fixed :ppp )
[11:20] <jason> what install process bug?
[11:20] <jason> do you get an error?
[11:20] <jimi> in base-install, linux-386 package cannot be installed when nework is plugged
[11:21] <jimi> (dependencies error)
[11:21] <jimi> daniels told me someone was working on that (after i let him see the install process log)
[11:21] <jason> oh ok
[11:21] <jason> I guess you'll have to wait then unfortunantly
[11:22] <jimi> yeah :/
[11:22] <jason> it isn't corrupt media or is this a common problem?
[11:22] <sean_> Whats the P2P program called that starts with an A?
[11:22] <sean_> the name starts with an A
[11:23] <jason> Azurous?
[11:23] <jsc> azureus
[11:23] <jason> Apollon?
[11:23] <sean_> THATS IT thanks Jason lol
[11:23] <jimi> its weird
[11:23] <sean_> what name do you use to launch it?
[11:23] <jimi> it is like corruped media
[11:23] <jimi> but unplugging network everuthing is fine
[11:24] <aitrus> sean_: it isn't going to be in the apt repo cause it requires java
[11:24] <jason> you have to compile it from source
[11:24] <jason> it is part of the KDE project
[11:24] <jason> I wish Ubuntu had fully working KDE
[11:25] <sean_> hmmm sure seemed like it installed it to me
[11:25] <jimi> why java apps are not in repo? java licence problem?
[11:25] <Dethread> yes
[11:25] <Dethread> get azureus at http://azureus.sourceforge.net
[11:26] <jason> azureus is just a bit torrent client
[11:26] <Dethread> yes
[11:26] <jason> is that what you want jimi?
[11:26] <jimi> hum
[11:26] <jimi> its sean_ thats looking for azureus =)
[11:27] <jason> oh my bad?
[11:27] <sean_> No Im wanting to get Appolon working
[11:28] <sean_> I installed it with Synaptic
[11:28] <jimi> appolon?
[11:28] <sean_> I believe thats what it was called
[11:28] <sean_> Im looking for a P2P Application that will work
[11:28] <jimi> which p2p networks it can connect to?
[11:28] <sean_> for some reason Gnutella says it thinks Im firewalled
[11:29] <sean_> anyone know why it would say that?
[11:29] <sean_> I dont see anywhere that you can tweak settings
[11:29] <jimi> is there default firewalling rules in ubuntu?
[11:29] <jason> can you set it to passive mode?
[11:29] <jason> or non-passive
[11:30] <sean_> I says its set on Leaf mode whatever that means
[11:30] <jimi> some p2p are not really usable without a port... like *mule
[11:30] <sean_> I have amule too but it says it doesnt have any servers
[11:31] <sean_> where do I find information about assisgning it a port?
[11:31] <BeanDip> sean_: are you running both at the same time?
[11:31] <sean_> no
[11:31] <jimi> here is a good server : ed2k://|server|195.245.244.243|4661|/
[11:33] <sean_> sweet thanks Jimi
[11:34] <jimi> if it says "LowId", it means your NATed or Firewalled
[11:34] <jimi> and need a rule to open or map the emule port
[11:36] <sean_> it connected right up
[11:36] <jimi> cool
[11:36] <jimi> =)
[11:36] <jazzka> which software may I use to burn a cd with files + .cue file ??
[11:36] <jason> k3b
[11:37] <jbroome> k3b is the answer to all your questions
[11:37] <mirak_> what is k3b???
[11:37] <jason> a nero clone for Linux
[11:37] <jimi> k3b, best cd burner =)
[11:37] <jason> it is awsome
[11:37] <jbroome> i think it does dvds too, but i don't have the hardware to try it out
[11:37] <jason> yes it does
[11:37] <mirak_> is it in synaptic??
[11:37] <jimi> it burns dvd fine =)
[11:38] <jason> I use it for dvds
[11:38] <jason> yes
[11:38] <jazzka> but installing k3b installs lots of libraries
[11:38] <jazzka> kde libraries
[11:38] <jbroome> which is why you use synaptic to do it. :)
[11:39] <WW_> Is there a gnome (or non-kde) equivalent of Kile (the latex editor)?
[11:39] <mirak_> will it update to the gnome menue????
[11:39] <mirak_> k3b that is?
[11:39] <jason> no 
[11:39] <Dethread> Mirak, I had to do it manually
[11:39] <jason> you have to add it in
[11:39] <Dethread> but it's easy
[11:39] <jimi> i noticed apt-getting things does not update menu entries
[11:39] <jimi> :/
[11:39] <mirak_> yeah, i guess ill be able to figure it out
[11:39] <jason> the command is just "k3b" without the quotes
[11:40] <WW_> jimi: Some do, some don't. Depends on whether the package follows the desktop standard.
[11:40] <jimi> ok
[11:40] <Cube-ness> hmm.. can somebody help me figure out how to share a printer on a network? like using cups
[11:41] <cardador> WW_: check out Lyx
[11:42] <sg_> Cube-ness, have you tried using the Computer->System Config -> Printing
[11:42] <Cube-ness> uh.. what else would i use?
[11:42] <Cube-ness>  hehe
[11:42] <Cube-ness> i can get the printer woprking locally.. but cannot connec tto it form other computers
[11:43] <sg_> Cube-ness, linux or windows computers
[11:43] <Cube-ness> linux
[11:43] <Cube-ness> all ubuntu machines
[11:43] <WW_> cardador: Right, I forgot about lyx.  I tried it once a long time ago, and didn't like something about it, but I'll give it another try.  Thanks.
[11:43] <mirak_> will the remote control for my tuner card work with tvtime?????
[11:44] <sg_> Cube-ness, odd, do you get an error of some form?
[11:44] <Cube-ness> hmm.. the connection get refused if i try to hit the print server machine with a browser at port 631
[11:44] <Cube-ness> do i need to explicitly open up port 631?
[11:44] <sg_> Cube-ness, is it showing up in syslong - hosts.deny perhaps?
[11:45] <cardador> WW_: you really should, i use it on a regular basis and im very satisfied
[11:45] <WW_> Is the CUPS system in ubuntu set up by default to use network browsing?
[11:46] <Dethread> when I do "nmap localhost" it tells me, that port 25 (smtp) is open. why is this, and how do I turn it off?
[11:46] <Cube-ness> whats the format for hosts.allow to let local machine in?
[11:47] <sg_> Dethread, /etc/init.d/postfix stop
[11:47] <aitrus> Cube-ness: ALL : 127.0.0.1
[11:47] <sg_> Cube-ness, you can test it with ALL: ALL but that's insecure
[11:48] <Dethread> sg_ thanks
[11:48] <Cube-ness> sg_, still refuses the connect
[11:48] <Dethread> one question though, why was this installed/activated by default when isntalling ubuntu?
[11:48] <jazzka> can gnome burn .cue files?
[11:48] <sg_> Dethread, that'll only stop it for now - you'll need to remove the symlinks in /etc/rc3.d
[11:49] <sg_> Cube-ness, nothing showing in syslog?
[11:49] <inklingx> Dethread: or run rcconfig and disable the postfix service
[11:49] <Dethread> alright, thanks
[11:49] <Dethread> I still don't understand though, why this is there in the first place
[11:50] <Dethread> k
[11:50] <Cube-ness> sg_, nope
[11:50] <WW_> Cube-ness: Maybe you have to edit cupsd.conf on the computer to which the printer is attached.  Hopefully someone here who knows more than I can tell you how!
[11:50] <sg_> Cube-ness, hmm you could look in the cups config file
[11:51] <inklingx> Dethread: postfix is enabled so you can see local mail to your root account (eg errors, output of cron jobs, ...)
[11:51] <Dethread> ah ok, thanks for the info
[11:51] <mario> is boot-admin (part of gnome-system-tools) in ubuntu? 
[11:54] <gotd0t> hi
[11:55] <Cube-ness> hmm
[11:55] <zenwhen> anyone else have issues playing mp3s in rhytmbox in ubuntu?
[11:55] <Cube-ness> still not working
[11:55] <gotd0t> i still cant get my NTFS partitions properly mounted
[11:56] <inklingx> zenwhen: look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:56] <sg_> Cube-ness, looks like you can edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf there's a location sectoin at the bottom.
[11:57] <sg_> Cube-ness, you'll probably have to restart cups after you'be changed it.
[11:58] <WW_> Cube-ness: I found a printed copy of a cupsd.conf file that I saved, in order to do the same thing you are trying... but I haven't tried it yet.
[11:58] <sii> ubuntu refuses to detect the sound card (ac97 compatible) in a dell inspiron 8600 if the parallel port is enabled
[11:58] <WW_> Cube-ness: It looks like some key lines are:
[11:58] <sii> is this something for bugzilla or should i just ignore it?
[11:58] <WW_> BrowseAddress @IF(dc0)
[11:59] <gotd0t> is there anybody in here who can help me set up ubuntu so i can have read access to my NTFS partitions?
[11:59] <WW_> ... and in the <Location /> ... </Location> section, you might need:
[11:59] <WW_> Allow From 192.168.0.*
[11:59] <WW_> (assuming that is the appropriate IP range for your network)