| pitti | Good night everybody | 12:53 |
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| daniels | mdz: not drink six beers at once? BRILLIANT! | 01:35 |
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| sivang | how do I install debugging symbols for gnome | 01:47 |
| sivang | ? | 01:47 |
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| chrisa | Any netinst isos for the rc? | 03:22 |
| mjg59 | Why the christ have we picked up Dick Morrel? | 03:37 |
| daniels | dude, be thankful. | 03:38 |
| jdub | yeah, ugh | 03:38 |
| daniels | try on the following names: dan jacobson, john hendrickson | 03:38 |
| mjg59 | He's anti-GPL and he's a cock | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | Dan Jacobson is mad but harmless in comparison | 03:39 |
| daniels | morrell is an idiot, yes | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&threadm=slrn9nkfpp.g4a.mjg59%40vavatch.jesus.cam.ac.uk&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dmorrell%2Bgarrett%2Blinux%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3Dslrn9nkfpp.g4a.mjg59%2540vavatch.jesus.cam.ac.uk%26rnum%3D1 - that was it | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | Fucking URLs. Hrngh. | 03:41 |
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| mjg59 | Maybe I should IRC less when drunk. | 03:47 |
| daniels | (fwiw, he took offence when I asked him to remain on-topic, and spent that 14 minutes ranting about who he was and why I couldn't afford to piss him off. i just asked him to remain on-topic a couple of times, and directed him towards #offtopic.) | 03:49 |
| jdub | Zindar: ah, erik :) | 04:01 |
| jdub | ww | 04:01 |
| mjg59 | daniels: To be honest, I'm inclined to think life would be easier without him | 04:03 |
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| mjg59 | dickmorrel is not signal | 04:06 |
| mjg59 | BE SIGNAL | 04:06 |
| jdub | BE THE SIGNAL! | 04:06 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mjg59] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs | please test http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041018-16.iso | BE THE SIGNAL | ||
| mjg59 | I feel this is important. | 04:07 |
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| daniels | http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/18/1097951587553.html | 04:11 |
| hornbeck | man, seven cars | 04:12 |
| daniels | elmo: can you please let me know how many packages build-depend on: xlibs, xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-pic | 04:29 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 05:02 |
| fabbione | daniels: why do we need to know? ;) | 05:03 |
| fabbione | daniels: in one way or another even the kernel build-dep on them :P | 05:03 |
| daniels | heh | 05:09 |
| daniels | fabbione: well, when we get the xorg stuff in, i'd like to start busting up build-deps | 05:10 |
| daniels | i'd be happy for xlibs/xlibs-dev to not exist | 05:10 |
| fabbione | daniels: i think we can create a meta package for it | 05:11 |
| fabbione | that was my idea at least | 05:11 |
| fabbione | for the beginning it would be acceptable | 05:11 |
| fabbione | and give people a few weeks to do the transition | 05:12 |
| fabbione | i want to kill Xfree86 in one shot | 05:12 |
| fabbione | no double packages | 05:12 |
| daniels | yeah, dude, I already have a set of metapackages :) | 05:13 |
| fabbione | no you have nothing :P | 05:14 |
| daniels | i bootstrapped xlibs (with full debian packaging) on to my laptop yesterday | 05:14 |
| daniels | ii libx11-6 6.2.1+cvs.200408040713-0ubuntu X Window System protocol client library | 05:14 |
| daniels | only took about two hours -- some stuff is still a little broken due to the fact /usr/lib/X11 is no longer a symlink | 05:14 |
| daniels | but yeah, it's all good otherwise | 05:14 |
| fabbione | eheh | 05:15 |
| fabbione | ok new X seems to be all good | 05:17 |
| fabbione | daniels: but did you bootstrap each lib onm theirown? | 05:18 |
| fabbione | or just xc/lib in one shot? | 05:18 |
| daniels | fabbione: each on their own | 05:18 |
| daniels | fabbione: started with x-common, then just ran check/build/install through all the packages | 05:19 |
| fabbione | similar to the approach i used... | 05:19 |
| fabbione | sounds like at least | 05:19 |
| daniels | anyway, end result is that everything's all good, except for xterm | 05:20 |
| daniels | it's probably the app-defaults link that's broken | 05:20 |
| fabbione | daniels: i started drafting a plan for the 2 weeks | 05:21 |
| fabbione | we have 2 fronts that we need to fight | 05:21 |
| fabbione | one is the xresprobe/autoconfig stuff | 05:21 |
| jdub | 1. Who will order the pizza? | 05:21 |
| daniels | ME! | 05:21 |
| jdub | 2. Will Daniel be allowed to sleep inside the house? | 05:21 |
| fabbione | one is beating upstream with a cluebat and kill it into the many deb packages | 05:21 |
| daniels | jdub: (hotel) | 05:21 |
| daniels | fabbione: dude, you missed the confcall on Friday | 05:22 |
| daniels | fabbione: despite almost sending me to sleep, I got useful stuff done on it | 05:22 |
| fabbione | jdub: no my house isn't a house yet... it's a building site | 05:22 |
| daniels | fabbione: i got 'big big vendor merge' on the agenda for x11r7 | 05:22 |
| fabbione | daniels: i don't care to talk with X.org "prime donne" | 05:22 |
| daniels | heh, most of them aren't prima donnas | 05:23 |
| fabbione | daniels: (first women) | 05:23 |
| daniels | they just like to argue semantics for a long time | 05:23 |
| daniels | but that aside, it was very useful, and yeah, so if we start collecting all our patches, making notes on them and stuff, we can empty our debian/patches into upstream | 05:23 |
| jdub | pouring patches on the fire :) | 05:24 |
| daniels | anyway, I have to run out the door now | 05:24 |
| daniels | actually, ten minutes ago | 05:24 |
| daniels | but nevermind | 05:24 |
| daniels | i'll talk to you about this later | 05:24 |
| daniels | unless you really want to call me ;) | 05:24 |
| fabbione | daniels: no no.. i will have to suffer your ugly face for 2 weeks here :P | 05:25 |
| fabbione | i don't really need to talk to you too ;) | 05:25 |
| fabbione | mdz, jdub: i am ready to upload X | 05:33 |
| fabbione | and linux-restricted modules to fix the nvidia-glx error | 06:01 |
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| fabbione | oooook | 07:08 |
| fabbione | X and linux-restricted modules are up | 07:08 |
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| daniels | fabbione: heh! | 07:55 |
| fabbione | daniels: ? | 07:55 |
| daniels | fabbione: your talking-to-me remark | 07:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: just had to go into the travel agent here and finalise my tickets | 07:56 |
| daniels | about to head back home | 07:56 |
| fabbione | ahhh | 07:56 |
| fabbione | eheh | 07:56 |
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| pitti | Good morning everybody! So quiet today here... | 10:17 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I have a small packaging problem: hal 0.2.98 shipped a conffile, but hal 0.4 does not ship it any more; unfortunately dpkg does not delete the conffile on package upgrade, even if it is unmodified | 10:25 |
| pitti | Keybuk: is there a recommended way to remove it in the maintainer scripts? | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | dpkg should delete the conf file ? | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | unless it was never registered with dpkg | 10:26 |
| pitti | Why not, if it's unmodified? | 10:26 |
| pitti | no, the old deb ships it and it was in debian/conffiles | 10:26 |
| pitti | Since I don't want to change dpkg, is there a "best practice" how to handle this? | 10:27 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I thought about providing a md5sum list and delete the file in the preinst if one md5sum matches | 10:27 |
| pitti | Keybuk: similar to ucf | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | I mean that dpkg *should* delete the conffile, so why isn't it? | 10:27 |
| pitti | oh, I don't know | 10:27 |
| pitti | I tried that out yesterday, with a modified conffile and an unmodified | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | can you throw me both packages | 10:28 |
| pitti | you already have hal 0.2.98 | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | yeah, but I need to uninstall/reinstall a bit so it's good to have the .deb standing by without having to hunt for it :p | 10:28 |
| pitti | I send you a link to hal-0.4 when it's ready | 10:28 |
| pitti | okay, I put the old deb to the same place | 10:29 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: the stuff is at http://www.piware.de/hal/ | 10:40 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: for upgrading to hal 0.4.0 you need libhal-storage0 deb | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | right | 10:41 |
| pitti | Keybuk: the conffile in question is /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.hal | 10:41 |
| pitti | Keybuk: the old hal installs it as example file, but I want to get rid of it (we have pmount) | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | ahh, lftp, how we love thee ... mget *.deb :p | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | so I install the single 0.2.98 deb, and upgrade by installing the others? | 10:42 |
| jdub | argh | 10:42 |
| jdub | forgot how loud my ibook was | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | jdub: bong! | 10:42 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: yes, but you need only libhal-storage | 10:42 |
| pitti | Keybuk: not all the other debs | 10:42 |
| pitti | Keybuk: the problem is that above conffile is not shipped by hal 0.4.0 any more, so it should disappear | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | ok, well in 0.2.98 it's in the package and listed as a conffile | 10:43 |
| pitti | and I guess you did not modify it | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | just waiting for the ol' chroot to finish updating | 10:44 |
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| pitti | Hi carlos | 10:46 |
| pitti | I finally managed to take a look at your application yesterday evening :-) | 10:46 |
| carlos | pitti: hi | 10:46 |
| carlos | pitti: I saw it :-), btw, the TODO was not a mark that says.. From here is not done it was just for that question | 10:47 |
| pitti | carlos: I know | 10:47 |
| pitti | carlos: but the other stuff was okay | 10:47 |
| carlos | ok | 10:47 |
| carlos | I have the other practical questions, I will try to send you all remaining things soon | 10:48 |
| carlos | pitti: thanks | 10:48 |
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| pitti | Hi mvo_! | 11:10 |
| mvo_ | hi pitti | 11:11 |
| mvo_ | hi to all others | 11:11 |
| seb128 | hello mvo_ | 11:12 |
| mvo_ | hi seb128 | 11:13 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: is it me, or is gnome-terminal 2.8 a little late? :p | 11:22 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 11:23 |
| seb128 | just a bit late :) | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | and 2.8.1 just after it | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | amusing | 11:23 |
| Keybuk | pitti: (best Mal voice) well now, ain't that just an oddness | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | D000002: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/hal.postinst (dpkg: error processing hal (--install): | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | Errors were encountered while processing: | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | hal | 11:31 |
| pitti | Keybuk: just back from lunch - argh, what's that? | 11:34 |
| Keybuk | oh, just another wonderful example of dpkg's amazing bug-free-ness | 11:34 |
| pitti | Keybuk: odd, it works fine here; but this can hardly be a bug in the hal deb, can't it? | 11:35 |
| Keybuk | pitti: try installing with: dpkg -D7777 -i ... :) | 11:35 |
| === pitti tries that and still looks at a loooooong scrolling | ||
| pitti | D000020: deferred_configure `/etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf' (= `/etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf') useredited=-1 distedited=-1 what=2 | 11:36 |
| pitti | D000002: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/hal.postinst ( ) | 11:36 |
| pitti | * Restarting system message bus... | 11:36 |
| pitti | * Stopping Hardware abstraction layer... [ ok ] | 11:36 |
| pitti | * Starting Hardware abstraction layer... | 11:36 |
| pitti | works for me | 11:37 |
| pitti | hmm | 11:37 |
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| mvo_ | hi rburton | 11:38 |
| rburton | hi mvo_ | 11:38 |
| rburton | so i hear xfs in recent 2.6 kernels is broken | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | weird | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | rburton: works ok for me | 11:39 |
| rburton | i'll probably ubuntufy my home desktop this week | 11:39 |
| rburton | see if it passes the GirlFriend test | 11:39 |
| pitti | rburton: you mean the new images? | 11:40 |
| pitti | rburton: failed miserably for me | 11:40 |
| rburton | i mean i heard reports of data corruption | 11:41 |
| pitti | rburton: my gf: "Ugh, what's that?" and after seeing the splash "hey, this gets worse..." | 11:41 |
| pitti | ah | 11:41 |
| rburton | oh i see | 11:41 |
| rburton | i told her about the images, she said she so | 11:41 |
| rburton | doh | 11:41 |
| pitti | is your gf able to do data corruption? | 11:41 |
| rburton | well, now you mention that | 11:41 |
| rburton | things do just break around her | 11:41 |
| pitti | ah, so she is the ideal beta tester? | 11:42 |
| pitti | I've got such a friend as well. Up to now he managed to break every Linux distro I gave him; he is totally frustrated by "this linux shit" | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I suspect this is just another example of dpkg going strange when debug is on | 11:45 |
| Keybuk | lots of little memory leaks, and double-frees, and stuff | 11:45 |
| pitti | Keybuk: can you at least reproduce the problem without debugging? | 11:45 |
| pitti | Keybuk: i. e. the conffile is still present? | 11:46 |
| Keybuk | yup, got an update log now | 11:46 |
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| jdub | rburton: your GF doesn't like it? what does vicky think? | 11:58 |
| rburton | jdub: gf/wife/whatever ;) | 11:59 |
| jdub | no way dude, i heard that slip! | 11:59 |
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| rburton | must... destory... evidence | 12:00 |
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| pitti | rburton: don't forget to send them to the host which stores the irc logs :-) | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | D000200: oldconffsetflags `/etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.hal' namenode 0x827d97c flags 4 | 12:08 |
| Keybuk | bleh, well it knows it's only in the old package and now in the new | 12:08 |
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| sabdfl | mdz: around? | 12:20 |
| daniels | sabdfl: 'morning | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | hey daniels | 12:21 |
| daniels | rburton: if you don't have it already, you must get dj platurn -- 'so this is de la heaven'. mix cd if just de la songs and samples. sensational. | 12:21 |
| daniels | sabdfl: so, community council is in ... three and a half hours, yeah? | 12:22 |
| daniels | sabdfl: (missed one meeting because someone said UTC when they said Europe/London) | 12:22 |
| sabdfl | community council is tuesdays, 1600 UTC | 12:22 |
| daniels | well, the artwork meeting | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | this next one is a general community meeting, in 90 minutes | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | though this tuesday is tech-board | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | yes | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | anybody have an ipw2100 handy for testing? | 12:23 |
| rburton | can anyone sit in on the meetings? | 12:23 |
| rburton | daniels: oh, cool | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | reminds me, must beat up Jeff to make an .ics of HoaryReleaseSchedule when it's final | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | rburton: sure. | 12:24 |
| daniels | sabdfl: ah right | 12:24 |
| daniels | ... ninety minutes? fair cop | 12:24 |
| fabbione | daniels: debian/patches/004_* | 12:25 |
| fabbione | daniels: how much do we need out of it? | 12:25 |
| daniels | fabbione: last I checked, all of it | 12:26 |
| fabbione | - MANDEFS = AppLoadDefs FileManDefs LibManDefs MiscManDefs DriverManDefs ProjectManDefs $(XORGMANDEFS) $(VENDORMANDEFS) | 12:26 |
| fabbione | + MANDEFS = AppLoadDefs ManDefs SyscallManDefs LibManDefs DriverManDefs FileManDefs GameManDefs MiscManDefs AdmManDefs ProjectManDefs $(XOR | 12:26 |
| fabbione | GMANDEFS) $(VENDORMANDEFS) | 12:26 |
| fabbione | this is the only line that doesn't really "merge" | 12:26 |
| fabbione | should i just pristine copy it from xfree86? | 12:26 |
| daniels | what's -, what's +? | 12:27 |
| fabbione | daniels: that's what it is in 004_ | 12:28 |
| fabbione | xorg has a different default MANDEFS | 12:28 |
| daniels | xfree86, or xorg? | 12:28 |
| daniels | ah ok | 12:28 |
| fabbione | 3 way diff :-) | 12:29 |
| fabbione | daniels: i am going to grab some food | 12:33 |
| daniels | ok | 12:39 |
| daniels | when you get back, let me know what we're starting with in xorg and where we need to go | 12:39 |
| thom | daniels: acpi-support doesn't do suspend/resume, so... | 12:43 |
| thom | oh, and acpi-support-x40 needs to rmmod ipw2?00 before suspend | 12:44 |
| daniels | thom: oh, right. point. | 12:45 |
| daniels | thom: and, uhm, that bong was apparently fixed in 2.6.8 | 12:45 |
| daniels | (centrino wireless) | 12:45 |
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| thom | daniels: well, i have to have it with the 2.6.8.1-3-15 kernel | 12:48 |
| thom | otherwise i need to powercycle my machine everytime it comes out of suspend | 12:48 |
| thom | and 1940 is pbbuttonsd foo | 12:49 |
| thom | not acpi-support | 12:49 |
| seb128_ | hello thom | 12:52 |
| thom | heyhey seb | 12:53 |
| plovs_work | I am writing a kernel-howto for the wiki, is grub default or should i mention lilo as well? | 12:55 |
| thom | grub default | 12:56 |
| plovs_work | thom, ok | 12:56 |
| daniels | thom: bongtastic. you should've got an nm. | 12:57 |
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| sabdfl | pitti: pen drive is still failing to automount :-/ | 01:02 |
| pitti | sabdfl: but it worked for the version you downloaded manually? odd, this is the very version I uploaded recently | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | strange, but true | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | hoary problem :-) | 01:03 |
| pitti | sabdfl: does it work sometimes and sometimes not? | 01:03 |
| === sabdfl tests again | ||
| sabdfl | not yet | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using address 4 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | Vendor: Model: Pen Drive 2.0 Rev: 1.13 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | SCSI device sda: 253952 512-byte hdwr sectors (130 MB) | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | sda: Write Protect is off | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | sda: assuming drive cache: write through | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | USB Mass Storage device found at 4 | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | but it doesn't show up under /media/ | 01:04 |
| pitti | sabdfl: looks good | 01:04 |
| pitti | sabdfl: can you please do 'lshal > lshal.txt' and send me the result? | 01:05 |
| sabdfl | pitti: martin.pitt@can...? | 01:05 |
| pitti | sabdfl: yes | 01:06 |
| sabdfl | on its way | 01:06 |
| sabdfl | let me know if it didn't work i was experimenting with piping straight to mutt | 01:06 |
| pitti | sabdfl: got it | 01:08 |
| pitti | sabdfl: hmm, /dev/sda* is not contained in the lshal | 01:08 |
| sabdfl | great, thanks | 01:08 |
| sabdfl | why not? | 01:08 |
| pitti | sabdfl: don't know, that's the bug, I suppose | 01:08 |
| sabdfl | where could i look or check? | 01:09 |
| pitti | sabdfl: if you have a minute? | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | sure | 01:09 |
| pitti | please do sudo killall hald | 01:09 |
| daniels | sabdfl: you can also pass -a to attach stuff | 01:09 |
| pitti | sabdfl: then remove the pendrive | 01:09 |
| daniels | sabdfl: e.g. mutt -s foo -a ~/tmp/bar baz@quux.org | 01:09 |
| pitti | sabdfl: sudo hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no --drop-privileges | 01:10 |
| sabdfl | daniels: yes, i was trying to bypass the file and pipe it straight to mutt, thusly: | 01:10 |
| pitti | sabdfl: if the log flood stops, press enter a few times (to generate some empty lines) | 01:10 |
| sabdfl | lshal | mutt -s "foo bar" email@sfsdf.com | 01:10 |
| daniels | sabdfl: ah, cool :) | 01:10 |
| pitti | sabdfl: then plug in the beast and watch what happens | 01:11 |
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| pitti | sabdfl: I'd be interested in the cut& paste of the debug stuff after the plugin | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | ALL of it? | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | and it just popped up. | 01:11 |
| pitti | sabdfl: what, the device got mounted? | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | mounted and the window popped up correctly | 01:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: re ALL: only the stuff after plugging in the device (that's the reason for the empty lines) | 01:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: so, a heisenbug? | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | maybe i hadn't rebooted since the update? | 01:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: might be | 01:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: since when your session runs? | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | let me reboot now and see if it's really working properly | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | how do i tell? | 01:13 |
| pitti | uptime shows the time since last reboot | 01:14 |
| pitti | last|head shows the recent logins | 01:14 |
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| sivang | sabdfl : the data center has PowerEdge machines? | 01:37 |
| thom | ROCK | 01:37 |
| thom | sivang: yeah | 01:37 |
| sabdfl | sivang: i think we have a bit of everything in there now | 01:37 |
| thom | i have working NetworkManager foo | 01:37 |
| sabdfl | thom: cool, what was the trick? | 01:37 |
| thom | apart from the fact they try to use the ESSID as a key and haven't dealt with the fact that essids can have spaces in | 01:38 |
| thom | sabdfl: writing most of the debian backend over the weekend :-) | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | most excellent | 01:39 |
| sivang | thom : what else is there? :) Is it PowerEdge 2800 (glancing on it ad dell's ) | 01:39 |
| thom | which was entertaining since i was at my parents and they don't have wireless | 01:39 |
| daniels | thom: awesome! nice one | 01:39 |
| thom | sivang: poweredge, hp dl380s, ibm x345 and bigger | 01:39 |
| daniels | and g5 xserves | 01:39 |
| sivang | thom : wow | 01:40 |
| thom | yeah | 01:40 |
| thom | and some hp itaniums at some point, i guess | 01:40 |
| daniels | does level3 know about the itaniums? | 01:40 |
| sivang | thom : these are also Xeon based? or are they RISCiy ? :) | 01:40 |
| daniels | they'll need to double their air conditioning capacity | 01:41 |
| sivang | all of them are buildds ? I reckon the g5 is for building PPC stuff right? | 01:41 |
| thom | daniels: compared to the xserves they're probably trivial | 01:41 |
| daniels | thom: really? | 01:42 |
| thom | sivang: the three g5s, 3 dual opterons, and 6 dual xeons are buildds | 01:42 |
| thom | three of the itaniums will be too | 01:42 |
| daniels | thom: i was under the impression they were space heaters, and the desktop g5s i've seen have run quite cool | 01:42 |
| thom | daniels: the xserves don't have fan/thermal support yet | 01:42 |
| thom | they run at full whack all the time | 01:42 |
| daniels | thom: oh dear. | 01:43 |
| thom | yeah | 01:43 |
| daniels | does this explain your need to evacuate the house during testing? | 01:43 |
| thom | yes | 01:43 |
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| daniels | good god. | 01:43 |
| Kamion | hm, I thought thermal support did exist now | 01:44 |
| sivang | what's used for web serving and archive ? | 01:44 |
| thom | Kamion: maybe, but it's certainly not on the buildds yet | 01:44 |
| elmo | the PEs are 2650's | 01:44 |
| thom | hey elmo | 01:45 |
| daniels | elmo: 'morning | 01:45 |
| elmo | hey thom, daniels | 01:46 |
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| elmo | daniels: Itanium's really aren't that bad | 01:49 |
| sivang | thom : you were fixing the network-admin crash stuff? | 01:49 |
| thom | sivang: no | 01:50 |
| pitti | sivang: does it _still_ crash? | 01:50 |
| thom | NetworkManager | 01:50 |
| pitti | sivang: this shouldn't happen any more with the latest gnome-system-tools | 01:50 |
| daniels | hm, I think we need some g5 xserves at trinity | 01:50 |
| thom | sivang: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/index.html | 01:50 |
| daniels | the server room (which has quite a few machines) was in a broom closet. during summer, you'd just pick which services were needed (no labs at lincoln square, so there goes its nfs and pxe servers ...) | 01:50 |
| sivang | pitti : lemme check that now | 01:51 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: the opterons doesn't run too hot either. | 01:51 |
| daniels | yeah | 01:51 |
| sivang | pitti : shoot me up the bug# | 01:53 |
| sivang | thom : thanks. So that's the name for the little thingy on the panel.. | 01:54 |
| thom | that and the bitching huge daemon underneath it, too | 01:54 |
| pitti | sivang: you already helped me to reproduce it, don't remember any more? | 01:54 |
| sivang | haha | 01:54 |
| pitti | sivang: #2177 | 01:54 |
| sivang | pitti : ah no :) | 01:55 |
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| daniels | sivang: at that price, I'll take two | 01:55 |
| pitti | sivang: boot memtest-human | 01:55 |
| sivang | I'm afraid it's gonna heat up too much :) | 01:55 |
| sivang | with memtest | 01:56 |
| pitti | well, you can't do anything for a few hours :-) | 01:56 |
| sivang | thom : how do I add it to my panel? I have to apt-get install network-manager first? | 01:57 |
| thom | i'll need to set up the apt repo first | 01:58 |
| thom | and it's still very flaky right now | 01:58 |
| sivang | pitti : yes, I won't be able to..unless memtest be rewritten to support time sharing :) | 01:58 |
| sivang | thom : well, just tell me where to get the .deb file, and no, I don't mind teashing my system in favor of testing some bleeding edge. (I know I might bleed heh) | 01:59 |
| thom | sivang: when i have it working right, i will | 02:00 |
| sivang | thom : thanks. | 02:01 |
| sivang | pitti : when I run network-admin from console, and I have already enabled my root account - trying to delete an interface just make it reappear the next time I fire up network-admin | 02:02 |
| pitti | sivang: can you please file a bug? | 02:02 |
| lamont | moo | 02:06 |
| pitti | lamont: bark | 02:06 |
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| lamont | heh | 02:09 |
| pitti | lamont: Good morning! | 02:10 |
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| lamont | hrm.. so how many times to we repeat '7' when counting the bugs, I wonder.... | 02:22 |
| mjg59 | Latest ibm-acpi lets you make LEDs flash | 02:22 |
| daniels | the atheros does the LED stuff on its own | 02:23 |
| daniels | actually, all my LEDs work just fine with the stock kernel | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | daniels: you can soft-control it if you like | 02:24 |
| Keybuk | and it has a flash-on-traffic mode as well | 02:24 |
| mjg59 | daniels: It seems like the wireless LED isn't under software control | 02:24 |
| mjg59 | You need to wave lines on the mini-PCI slot | 02:24 |
| mjg59 | But I can make my power light flash | 02:25 |
| Keybuk | "hardware control" and "atheros" being somewhat a contradiction in terms | 02:25 |
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| daniels | mjg59: oooer | 02:28 |
| daniels | Keybuk: heh | 02:28 |
| daniels | Keybuk: yeah, mine's in flash-on-traffic as per default | 02:29 |
| Keybuk | that just irritated me on the HP, the LED's a bright blue one and it really catches your eye :p | 02:29 |
| daniels | there's a solution to that ... | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | tap-tap-tap*OOH TRAFFIC*tap-tap*OOH TRAFFIC* etc. | 02:32 |
| rburton | haha | 02:32 |
| rburton | Keybuk: masking tape | 02:32 |
| rburton | Keybuk: or better yet, someone here has a blue led fetish and will buy it from you if you can get it out | 02:33 |
| daniels | my green LED is very unintrusive | 02:33 |
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| fabbione | HaveLib64 Yes or No for x86_64 ? | 02:36 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ^^ | 02:37 |
| daniels | no | 02:37 |
| daniels | because there is on /lib64 | 02:37 |
| daniels | (iirc) | 02:37 |
| fabbione | can you see comments on debian/patches/600_amd64_support.diff | 02:37 |
| fabbione | ? | 02:37 |
| fabbione | (xfree86) | 02:37 |
| daniels | AMD64 is not a "bi-width" architecture in Debian at present; instead it is | 02:38 |
| daniels | a pure 64-bit environment, so do not define "HaveLib64" as "YES". | 02:38 |
| fabbione | daniels: there is also that AMD64/x86_64 renaming that i am not completely sure about | 02:38 |
| daniels | *just opened it up then, and it seems to agree with what I think) | 02:38 |
| daniels | yeah, that's pretty bong, but I think upstream's right | 02:38 |
| fabbione | upstream has AMD64 | 02:38 |
| daniels | bongtastic | 02:39 |
| daniels | i'll defer to mithrandir on this one | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | what does HaveLib64 mean? | 02:40 |
| fabbione | # if defined (AMD64Architecture) || defined (s390xArchitecture) || defined (Ppc64Architecture) | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | we have a /lib64, but it's a symlink to /lib | 02:40 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: it means: stick the lib in /usr/lib64 | 02:40 |
| fabbione | instead of /usr/lib | 02:40 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:40 |
| fabbione | so it's NO | 02:41 |
| fabbione | thanks :-) | 02:41 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, you should never reference lib64 (except if you're ld) | 02:41 |
| fabbione | i guess that will be the same for PPC64 | 02:41 |
| fabbione | the only one that requires YES is s390 | 02:41 |
| fabbione | so we are all happy :-) | 02:41 |
| daniels | huzzah | 02:42 |
| fabbione | this night i will dream about dbs-edit-patch :-) | 02:43 |
| fabbione | daniels: not too bad.. already 1500 lines of patches just for xc/config/ | 02:43 |
| daniels | mmm | 02:44 |
| fabbione | we only miss 298500 lines to check :P | 02:44 |
| daniels | ehm | 02:45 |
| daniels | all of the stolen from HEAD stuff is slightly lower-priority | 02:45 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: so you will love me when I start whining about multiarch? | 02:47 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: oh yes.. | 02:48 |
| fabbione | i can give you all the a**l love you want :P | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | ;) | 02:49 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: otherwise you can start whining about it in februrary | 02:51 |
| fabbione | you will have almost 16 days of X all for yourself :) | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | Mm. Multiarch. | 02:54 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I need to talk to matt about it, I think we want it for ubuntu, but else, it goes in my free time, which there's not too much of atm. :/ | 02:55 |
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| sivang | pitti : is it ok for network-admin to ask my _root_ password when executed from terminal as the regular user? | 03:25 |
| pitti | no | 03:25 |
| pitti | it should be _your_ password | 03:25 |
| sivang | pitti : I have enabled the root account | 03:25 |
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| pitti | sivang: hmm, but still it uses gksudo... | 03:26 |
| sivang | pitti : yes but it asks for my root password for some strange reason. | 03:27 |
| pitti | what did you enter exactly? | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | no, that's right -- network-admin asks for *root*'s password | 03:27 |
| Keybuk | all of g-s-t do | 03:27 |
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| sivang | pitti : Well, I fired up a gnome-termina. | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | we get around that by putting "gksudo" into the launcher so they think they're being run as root, so don't ask for a password | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | sivang: sudo network-admin | 03:28 |
| pitti | Objection, if I start network-admin from the Menu, it asks me for _my_ password | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | or just use the launcher | 03:28 |
| sivang | pitti : yes, because it uses gksudo | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | pitti: yes, because the *launcher* contains "gksudo" | 03:28 |
| pitti | ah | 03:28 |
| pitti | but I saw the gksudo integrated into the C source somewhere... | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | not in g-s-t | 03:29 |
| pitti | probably | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | that was gnome-cups-manager, wasn't it? | 03:29 |
| pitti | I hacked in so many programs, I probably mixed that up | 03:29 |
| pitti | could very well be | 03:29 |
| pitti | well, but I think this is not a critical bug | 03:29 |
| pitti | sivang: still, can you please file it in bz? it should be fixed for Hoary, should be relatively easy | 03:30 |
| sivang | strange. | 03:31 |
| sivang | yes I assume so, but I can't reproduce it anymore.. | 03:32 |
| pitti | sivang: I can | 03:32 |
| sivang | pitti : I mean for the part where it doesn't delete the interface you try to delete. | 03:33 |
| sivang | pitti : not for the missing gksudo thingy | 03:33 |
| pitti | ah, that one | 03:33 |
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| === sivang notes he might have clicked the "cancel" button instead of "ok". it works ok now. Appoligies sent to network-admin | ||
| pitti | Bug report: n-a does not apply my changes if I click the Cancel button :-P | 03:35 |
| sivang | :)) | 03:35 |
| sivang | pitti : you have and idea why that code has so _few_ remarks? I mean, HACKING tells you about the connection between the frontend and backend, but that's about it :) | 03:37 |
| sivang | remarks = comments | 03:37 |
| pitti | maybe the fundamental programmer paradigma: | 03:38 |
| pitti | "It was hard to write, it should be hard to read" | 03:38 |
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| Keybuk | actually, bug-report n-a doesn't follow GNOME HIG | 03:39 |
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| Keybuk | thom: hrm? | 03:39 |
| thom | Keybuk: it stores network details in gconf | 03:39 |
| thom | with the essid as the key | 03:39 |
| thom | essids can have spaces | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | indeed they can | 03:40 |
| daniels | bongtasmic | 03:40 |
| thom | gconf keys can't | 03:40 |
| sivang | thom : I hope your relationship with it won't go where you had already gone with mozilla ;) | 03:40 |
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| Keybuk | they can have any utf-8 or non-NULL $charset character too | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | essids can? | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | I suspect they can have \0 in them as well, theoretically | 03:41 |
| daniels | mjg59: yes | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | Are they defined as utf-8, then? | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | but a lot of code (including iwlib) kinda assumes they don't | 03:41 |
| thom | mjg59: my essid is "Bitch Whore" | 03:41 |
| sivang | Keybuk : is there anything they *can't* have? | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: up to 32-octets specified as octets plus length | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | thom: Oh, sure, spaces are good :) | 03:41 |
| thom | (don't ask why, hysterical raisins) | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | thom: Have a second gconf key that defines the location of any spaces | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | sivang: well, there seems to be a general assumption that \0 is bad | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: aren't gconf keys ASCII only? | 03:42 |
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| Keybuk | "Cyber Caf" is a valid ESSID | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Shit, I hope not | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | I'm fairly sure you can store utf-8 | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: sure, in the *value* ... but what about the key? | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Well, you /can/ store utf-8, because dasher does it. Whether or not it's valid is a separate issue, I guess :) | 03:43 |
| sivang | Keybuk : well, you should allocate space before hand and make sure you know the length I guess instead of realying on someone putting \0 to end a buffer. | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I see what you mean | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Hrm | 03:43 |
| daniels | thom: heh | 03:43 |
| Keybuk | sivang: yeah, the actual packet is length + octets | 03:43 |
| daniels | how about if you had essid0/wep0, essid1/wep1, or whatever, i nseparate keys | 03:44 |
| sivang | Keybuk : oh, I overlooked that when you mentioned that few lines ago | 03:44 |
| daniels | (kconfig is worse in this regard: your key can't have = in it) | 03:44 |
| thom | the gconf manual says: "Characters in a path should be alphanumeric or underscore" | 03:46 |
| thom | but doesn't appear to define charset | 03:47 |
| Keybuk | heh, assume ASCII :) | 03:47 |
| thom | yeah | 03:49 |
| thom | aaargh, IEEE web pages use blink | 03:52 |
| thom | or a blinking jpeg | 03:52 |
| thom | *yar* | 03:52 |
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| daniels | thom: !! | 03:53 |
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| amu | moind | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | Much development in acpi-land this week | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | If I produce kernels this evening, can people test them? | 04:20 |
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| thom | mjg59: yep | 04:28 |
| thom | mjg59: include inotify as well, for much beagle love? :-) | 04:29 |
| daniels | does anyone here use nvidia on amd64? | 04:29 |
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| thom | fuck no | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | inotify rocks | 04:31 |
| thom | Keybuk: yeah. dbus hates me right now though, otherwise i'd be basking in the glow of my indexed home directory | 04:31 |
| jdub | mjg59: you adding that crackrock DSDT-on-initrd patch? | 04:31 |
| bob2_ | this thomboy thing looks cool | 04:32 |
| bob2_ | I actually get to have thom sort and index all my notes? | 04:32 |
| tseng | hah thomboy. | 04:32 |
| bob2_ | rock! | 04:32 |
| thom | tomboy is ++good | 04:32 |
| thom | bob2_: i'll give you a guided tour too | 04:33 |
| bob2_ | hahahaha | 04:33 |
| Keybuk | rofl @ thomboy | 04:33 |
| thom | ... "and these are your porn links, and this is your suckful laptop ... " | 04:33 |
| thom | "and this here is the url to buy the X40 you know you want" | 04:33 |
| bob2_ | don't tempt me, it was bad enough when a friend told me I could get 10% off | 04:34 |
| jdub | we should totally have the X40 on our 'book list' on the website | 04:36 |
| jdub | "this is what the developers use" | 04:36 |
| daniels | heh | 04:36 |
| jdub | "support monoculture!" | 04:36 |
| daniels | thom: that's what Jim wanted me for | 04:36 |
| bob2_ | especially now I see it supports suspend-to-ram | 04:36 |
| bob2_ | which00:05 < bob2_> hm, apache segfaults when I hit a php page | 04:36 |
| bob2_ | 00:05 < elmo> bob2: it's trying to tell you something - take the hint ;-) | 04:36 |
| daniels | 'someone I know is using the nVidia driver on AMD64 on Ubuntu and it's arse' | 04:36 |
| bob2_ | oops | 04:36 |
| bob2_ | and has a fucking proper middle mouse button | 04:36 |
| daniels | thom: dude, the tour would totally kick arse | 04:37 |
| seb128 | jdub,mdz: I need an approval for #1221 #2357 and #2477 ... | 04:37 |
| bob2_ | so I don't have to use a key on my keyboard tha I hit randomly | 04:37 |
| daniels | thom: 'thom, what directory am I looking at?' | 04:37 |
| bob2_ | "thom, what's the name of the building in this picture?" | 04:37 |
| thom | daniels: oh lovely | 04:38 |
| thom | daniels: i think Mithrandir has one | 04:39 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: you win! any luck with the pos binary driver? | 04:39 |
| bob2_ | Mithrandir: btw, your p150 works as usb-storage, right? | 04:40 |
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| Mithrandir | bob2_: yes. | 05:06 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: have you used the nvidia driver at all? | 05:06 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: worked when I tested it, yes. | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | on an amd64 system | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | with a tnt2 ultra card | 05:07 |
| daniels | no mysterious segfaults? | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | none I saw, no, but I really just used it enough to get the package working. | 05:08 |
| bob2_ | Mithrandir: hm, how happy are you with it? | 05:08 |
| bob2_ | I'm looking at cameras, but I know jack about them | 05:08 |
| Mithrandir | bob2_: unlike most other digital cameras, it feels like a real camera, speed-wise. | 05:08 |
| bob2_ | and the p150 seems to be getting quite good reviews | 05:08 |
| Mithrandir | it's a bit too hard on the image enhancement/noise reduction part, which means you lose some details, but I'm willing to live with that. | 05:09 |
| bob2_ | when do you notice the loss of detail? 800x600 on a crt or 1600x1200 and a magnifying glass? | 05:10 |
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| Mithrandir | just a sec, I'll pull some pics off the camera | 05:12 |
| bob2_ | ah, thanks | 05:14 |
| Mithrandir | bob2_: http://raw.no/tmp/dsc00071.jpg ~3.2MB, max resolution. | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | I can go outside and take some pictures of trees and leaves, you'll probably see it better there. | 05:17 |
| bob2_ | hmm, I see | 05:19 |
| bob2_ | is that a bloody x40? | 05:19 |
| Mithrandir | no, r32. | 05:19 |
| bob2_ | ah, good ;) | 05:20 |
| bob2_ | the keys seems to have a bluish tinge | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | they're well-worn so they reflect a bit of light. | 05:20 |
| bob2_ | ah | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | the keyboard really is a bit bluish in this light. | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | but give me five minutes and I'll find you some trees. :) | 05:21 |
| bob2_ | heh, I'm just not sure where I should look for loss of detail :) | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | http://raw.no/tmp/dsc00076.jpg ; you'll see it a bit if you look at the leaves. | 05:25 |
| Mithrandir | but again, it's not really a big deal; the camera is the same size as the ixus and is just as good quality-wise and a whole lot faster. | 05:26 |
| Mithrandir | I recommend it a lot | 05:26 |
| bob2_ | hm, that's not too bad | 05:29 |
| Kamion | elmo: if you want to kill daily-installer-*, now's a good time | 05:32 |
| elmo | kill on the buildds, or ? | 05:34 |
| sivang | Mithrandir : hey I saw my nick on the photo :) | 05:35 |
| sivang | Mithrandir : do you have any photos of youerself? | 05:35 |
| bob2_ | Mithrandir: thanks for that, now I'll have to go play with one and then justify the purchase :) | 05:35 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: http://planet.debian.org/heads/tollef.png is the one I have on planet debian | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | heh, that was from Mlaga iirc. | 05:39 |
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| Mithrandir | yeah, I think so. it was you who made it, I think? | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | yup | 05:40 |
| bob2_ | ph33r. | 05:41 |
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| fabbione | daniels: do you have any hard feeling for ProjectManSuffix? | 06:00 |
| sivang | pitti : are you familiar with dnsmasq ? | 06:02 |
| sivang | opos his not here , anybody else knows what I'm talking about? | 06:03 |
| pitti | sivang: no idea | 06:12 |
| sivang | pitti : It's a nice small DNS hack which provides basic DHCP services to an internal LAN, as well as DNS caching. | 06:17 |
| sivang | pitti : but only some of my machines on the internal lan can be accessed using their hostname..I couldn't find a way to make those who aren't to be recognized besides their IP address. | 06:18 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: did the patch for warty#2495 ever get pushed up to debian? | 06:26 |
| Mithrandir | evidently not; I don't remember if I did or not. | 06:27 |
| pitti | mdz: Morning :-) | 06:33 |
| mdz | morning | 06:33 |
| pitti | mdz: you missed the funny flame^Wdiscussion | 06:33 |
| mdz | I know, I couldn't spare the sleep | 06:34 |
| mdz | reading it now | 06:34 |
| pitti | mdz: well, I don't think you missed sth truly critical :-) | 06:34 |
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| alextreme | gday | 06:46 |
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| seb128 | mdz: hello | 06:53 |
| mdz | seb128: hi | 06:53 |
| seb128 | mdz: need some approvals: #1221 #2357 and #2477 | 06:54 |
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| mdz | seb128: annotated the bugs | 06:56 |
| seb128 | thanks | 06:56 |
| lucas_ | I'm trying to install Ubuntu from a old Preview CD. During the "load installer components from CD-ROM part", I get the following error in the 4th console : | 06:57 |
| lucas_ | "anna" process says "grep: /cdrom/dists/stable/Release : Not a directory | 06:57 |
| lucas_ | is this problem known ? | 06:58 |
| mdz | lucas_: this is not a support channel, /join #ubuntu | 06:59 |
| seb128 | mdz: are we supposed to get a gnome2-user-guide modified for warty before the release ? IIRC some guys were working on it. If not I would like to upload 2.8.1 (we have 2.8.0) which add the documentation about desktop sharing with vino | 07:01 |
| mdz | seb128: please go ahead with 2.8.1; we can always change it | 07:02 |
| seb128 | ok | 07:02 |
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| sivang | seb128 : I am working on it | 07:11 |
| sivang | seb128 : I have trouble reviewing it with yelp, | 07:12 |
| seb128 | sivang: how long before getting it ready to upload ? | 07:12 |
| sivang | seb128 : lemme estimate | 07:12 |
| sivang | seb128 : thought : we could always provide an update after release, right? | 07:12 |
| sabdfl | jdub: around still? | 07:14 |
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| thom | sabdfl: he went to bed ages ago | 07:14 |
| sabdfl | ok | 07:14 |
| seb128 | sivang: more useful before the release :) | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | Any volunteers for acpi testing? | 07:16 |
| mjg59 | I need someone with a machine that currently works, and someone with one that doesn't | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | testing what, in particular? | 07:17 |
| thom | mjg59: my x40 is available | 07:17 |
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| thom | on the understanding that it's available to me again afterwards ;-) | 07:17 |
| Keybuk | thom: dude, it's an X40 ... you are available to *it*, not the other way around | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: People have found a couple of reasons for resume not working | 07:18 |
| thom | Keybuk: chuckle | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | sure, I'll have a test | 07:19 |
| sivang | seb128 : with yelp crashing on me here and then :) and well, taking in consideration I've got about 70% more to go , I'd say about 4-5 hours..:( | 07:19 |
| seb128 | sivang: ok, no problem | 07:20 |
| Keybuk | seb128: fix rhythmbox *puppy dog eyes* | 07:20 |
| mjg59 | Might fix the HP weirdness | 07:20 |
| Keybuk | the HP weirdness is just weird :-/ | 07:20 |
| mdz | pitti: here? | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 07:21 |
| mdz | pitti: looking at #1499 | 07:21 |
| sivang | seb128 : thanks | 07:21 |
| mdz | pitti: I understand the simple change of the hal property name | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: :-/ Sometimes I hate my timing | 07:21 |
| mdz | pitti: but why the hal_device_get_property_string -> strcmp? | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: I think the change itself is not the problem | 07:21 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: The two issues here are: | 07:21 |
| pitti | mdz: it's not a simple yes/no boolean, but the string can have various values | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | 1) The wakeup address being stored as a virutal address rather than a physical one | 07:22 |
| mdz | ah, I see | 07:22 |
| mdz | so not only the name, but the semantics changed | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | 2) The GDT not being addressable from real mode | 07:22 |
| sivang | seb128 : you know anyway to make yelp like, "refresh" the xml page it's looking at? | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | those both sound likely candidates | 07:22 |
| sivang | (instead of killing it and starting it with the updated versino) | 07:22 |
| pitti | mdz: I think the patch itself is uncritical, but the new feature has not been tested | 07:22 |
| pitti | mdz: it works fine for me, but if 100 other people use it, it might reveal serious problems | 07:23 |
| mdz | pitti: ok, understood | 07:23 |
| seb128 | sivang: no | 07:23 |
| mdz | I thought from your comments that it was only a name change | 07:23 |
| pitti | mdz: e. g. Debian package has another patch that disables mounting at startup if the user disabled automounting at all | 07:23 |
| pitti | mdz: it's a change like filesystem=true to usage="filesystem" | 07:24 |
| mdz | right | 07:24 |
| pitti | mdz: people who really want it can still get it from my unofficial repo... | 07:24 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: thom: Can you grab http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/acpikernel ? | 07:26 |
| mjg59 | It's just a kernel, no modules | 07:26 |
| Keybuk | boot with init=/bin/sh ? | 07:26 |
| mjg59 | Then boot it from grub with init=/bin/bash and mount proc, then echo -n 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep | 07:27 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 07:27 |
| mjg59 | thom: You'll want acpi_sleep=s3_bios, too | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | does that include the radeon wakeup patch, btw? | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | vgapost, or whatever it does | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | We'll worry about that later | 07:28 |
| thom | right, rebooting | 07:30 |
| sivang | seb128 : send you the bt | 07:31 |
| sivang | seb128 : for yelp :) | 07:31 |
| seb128 | ok | 07:32 |
| lamont | could some bandwidth-possessing person please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/LiveCD/current/warty.iso and tell me if it boots? | 07:32 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs | BE THE SIGNAL | ||
| lamont | whatever that means. :-) | 07:32 |
| sivang | lamont : downloading... | 07:33 |
| === Mithrandir notes people.u.c is slow | ||
| lamont | thanks. If it boots, I want to ask #ubuntu to test it, etc. | 07:33 |
| sivang | lamont : ofcourse | 07:34 |
| lamont | this is more of a process check to make sure I didn't screwup | 07:34 |
| thom | mjg59: it suspended ok | 07:34 |
| Mithrandir | ETA ~30 minutes | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | thom: And resumed? | 07:34 |
| sivang | lamont : no prob | 07:34 |
| === lamont has been testing the home edition, you see... :-) | ||
| sivang | ah, Mithrandir is way ahead of me | 07:34 |
| sivang | i'm at eta 1:53 | 07:34 |
| thom | mjg59: blank screen when it came out of suspend (ie, the suspend light went off, nothing else changed) | 07:35 |
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| mjg59 | thom: Was it alive? | 07:35 |
| thom | mjg59: appeared to be | 07:36 |
| mjg59 | thom: Had you passed acpi_sleep=s3_bios? | 07:37 |
| thom | oh, arse | 07:37 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 07:37 |
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| mjg59 | Ok, sounds like it works | 07:37 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Ping? | 07:37 |
| lamont | sivang/Mithrandir: when it appears hung, you have to give it a minute or 3... :-) gnome startup isn't fast reading from a compressed disk image on cdrom | 07:37 |
| pitti | mdz: permission to upload #2496? | 07:38 |
| mdz | pitti: yes | 07:38 |
| thom | mjg59: works fine with acpi_sleep=s3_bio | 07:40 |
| thom | s | 07:40 |
| seb128 | sivang: turn gail off for the crasher | 07:40 |
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| Mitario | heya | 07:41 |
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| mjg59 | thom: Rock | 07:41 |
| mjg59 | Now, where's Scott gone? | 07:41 |
| mjg59 | I need someone with utterly broken ACPI resume... | 07:41 |
| mdz | lamont: please name the live CD .isos something more descriptive than "warty.iso" | 07:42 |
| lamont | ok | 07:42 |
| lamont | you want a date, or just 'warty-live.iso' | 07:42 |
| lamont | ? | 07:42 |
| Kamion | lamont: they'll be warty-live-i386.iso in the final published CD images | 07:43 |
| Kamion | or warty-final-live-i386.iso, depending | 07:44 |
| Kamion | mdz: OK to upload this to debian-installer? | 07:44 |
| Kamion | * Manual changes: | 07:44 |
| Kamion | - Refer to 'Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog"' rather than just 'Ubuntu 4.10'. | 07:44 |
| Kamion | - howto/installation-howto.xml: Ubuntu branding. Fix up for Ubuntu | 07:44 |
| Kamion | installer modifications. | 07:44 |
| Kamion | - install-methods/official-cdrom.xml: Link to releases.ubuntulinux.org. | 07:44 |
| Kamion | * Install Ubuntu splash image, so that pxeboot.tar.gz now has the correct | 07:44 |
| Kamion | image too (closes: Ubuntu #2343). | 07:44 |
| mdz | Kamion: yes | 07:44 |
| sivang | seb128 : how do I turn it off? | 07:44 |
| Kamion | good-oh, should hopefully be the last for Warty | 07:44 |
| Kamion | I'm trusting nobody has any urgent initrd-udeb changes ... | 07:45 |
| mjg59 | Anyone else with fucked ACPI able to test something? | 07:45 |
| lamont | mdz: renamed to warty-live-i386.iso | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: back. | 07:46 |
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| Keybuk | so after I got a mini root on /boot ... :p no, didn't seem to work | 07:47 |
| mjg59 | Bah. | 07:47 |
| mjg59 | Identical failure to before? | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | not quite | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | I think the keyboard came back for a few seconds | 07:47 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. Interesting. | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | Can you give it a go with acpi_sleep=s3_bios and acpi_sleep=s3_mode ? | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | One at a time to start with, and finally both together | 07:48 |
| sivang | seb128 : it only happens when I enable "assitive technologies " | 07:49 |
| sivang | seb128 : I tuned it off globally | 07:49 |
| mdz | lamont: ETA 20m | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: I'm assuming that 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' doesn't return until the machine is awake? | 07:56 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Correct | 07:56 |
| mjg59 | Unless the sleep fails | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | ok, I have a little shell script that does that, and immediately after writes a file and calls sync a few times | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | the sleep works fine, it's resume that's unwilly | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | uh, unwilling | 07:57 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. It's almost certainly the suspend code that's broken, though. | 07:57 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. So no significant difference between that code and previous attempts? | 07:58 |
| lamont | mdz: thoughts on 2482? | 08:00 |
| mdz | lamont: investigate and fix if necessary | 08:01 |
| lamont | duh. | 08:01 |
| lamont | was just reading the changelog... looks like sync'ing would be risky | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: just testing every combination of things I can think of | 08:06 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Ok | 08:07 |
| Keybuk | (and pausing in between because you don't have thermal zone support in that kernel, so my laptop sulks a little :p) | 08:07 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 08:08 |
| Keybuk | nope, doesn't look like any combination of options produces an "I'm awake" in the log | 08:17 |
| mjg59 | Right. And this is the same behaviour as older kernels? | 08:18 |
| Keybuk | yup | 08:18 |
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| mjg59 | Hmm. | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | Tracking this down is likely to involve a moderate amount of pain. | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Next step is probably putting beep statements into various parts of the wakeup code | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | heh | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | beep & sleep ? :p | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | and count how many beeps I hear? | 08:22 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | I'll give it a go | 08:22 |
| mjg59 | Pavel's got an x86 assembly beep implementation on acpi-devel at the moment | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | though that'll involve finding the wakeup code and beep code | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | lol | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | I'll head home and then start stuffing stuff into a kernel | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | ok, cool | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | Back soon | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | okies | 08:24 |
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| lamont | mdz: CD status? | 08:32 |
| mdz | lamont: burning | 08:33 |
| mdz | yay, it's labeled Ubuntu | 08:34 |
| lamont | mdz: Yeah, that's a simple post-install of /usr/bin/make-iso :( | 08:36 |
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| mdz | lamont: sound comes up muted | 08:42 |
| mdz | but GNOME starts and I'm logged in | 08:42 |
| lamont | interesting - sound isn't muted for me... | 08:42 |
| lamont | (home edition) | 08:42 |
| lamont | if you unmute it, does it work? | 08:42 |
| mdz | network came up | 08:43 |
| mdz | firefox works | 08:43 |
| mdz | doesn't seem to work even after unmuting | 08:44 |
| mdz | modules are loaded | 08:44 |
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| mdz | ah, I think the sound devices are coming up in reverse order | 08:45 |
| mdz | compared to real Warty | 08:45 |
| mdz | yep | 08:46 |
| mdz | my sound device is /dev/dsp1 now | 08:46 |
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| seb128 | mdz: #2141 | 08:48 |
| mdz | seb128: go ahead | 08:50 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:50 |
| lamont | alsa sound is what we want? | 08:50 |
| lamont | (because that's what I get...) | 08:50 |
| mdz | yes | 08:52 |
| mdz | alextreme: how does the loading of ALSA modules work in morphix? | 08:52 |
| mdz | apparently, it's different from what we do with hotplug | 08:52 |
| alextreme | mdz: uses modules.dep and a bunch of sed & awk, is a modified version of a script in alsa afaik | 08:55 |
| mdz | eek | 08:55 |
| mdz | it happens to load the drivers in reverse order from hotplug on my laptop | 08:55 |
| mdz | so my modem gets /dev/dsp rather than the useful sound device | 08:55 |
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| alextreme | heh, we've been working on a new one now we've moved to 2.6, makes things a lot easier | 08:56 |
| === lamont goes to lunch so that he can think straight later. | ||
| lamont | bbiab | 08:59 |
| alextreme | how're wartys RC bugs hanging in? | 08:59 |
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| lucas_ | 1 | 09:13 |
| lucas_ | oops | 09:13 |
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| thom | mjg59: i think you broke him | 09:27 |
| mdz | alextreme: no RC bugs remain | 09:30 |
| alextreme | cool | 09:32 |
| mdz | did the new X make it onto the daily CD? | 09:37 |
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| alextreme | not sure exactly if it made mine, CDT is... -6? | 09:47 |
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| mdz | yes | 09:52 |
| mdz | er | 09:52 |
| mdz | no, CDT is -5 | 09:52 |
| mdz | but why CDT? | 09:52 |
| mdz | lamont: the CD you pointed me to seems to work well | 09:56 |
| elmo | why does postfix not log to it's own logfile? | 09:57 |
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| elmo | lamont: why does postfix not log to it's own logfile? | 10:00 |
| elmo | thanks mdz ;-P | 10:00 |
| mdz | anytime | 10:01 |
| alextreme | was looking at warty-changes to figure out when the new X entered the archive | 10:09 |
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| amu | testing/LiveCD/current is the correct folder ? | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Got another kernel for you | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/acpikernel | 10:22 |
| mjg59 | Should produce a continuous tone on resume. If so, we start a binary search. If not, things are very fucked. | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | okie dokie | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | try with/without acpi_sleep=* ? | 10:23 |
| mjg59 | Without for now | 10:24 |
| Keybuk | no beeping | 10:31 |
| mjg59 | None at all? | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | nope | 10:32 |
| mjg59 | Oh dear | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | isn't there any earlier in the wakeup you can put that then? :) | 10:33 |
| mjg59 | Not trivially... | 10:33 |
| mjg59 | That's right at the start of wakeup_start | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | yeah, it's always felt like that whatever code the kernel has to wake up isn't getting run | 10:35 |
| mjg59 | So there's something wrong in the suspend code | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | it's like the kernel suspends it ok, but doesn't put the right address in the right place or something to be woken up -- the hardware comes up by there's no kernel waiting for it | 10:36 |
| mjg59 | It's an nc4010, right? | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | yes | 10:36 |
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| mjg59 | And the speaker is switched on? | 10:38 |
| Keybuk | I assume so; I assume you compiled in pcspkr or whatever | 10:38 |
| mjg59 | No, but it's writing directly to the chip | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | should be fine then | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | grub can make it beep, anyway | 10:39 |
| lamont | alextreme: CST is -6, CDT is -5 | 10:40 |
| lamont | elmo: because Wietse didn't want to reinvent syslog when there was already a nice facility there. | 10:40 |
| lamont | mdz: OK. I'll ask for testers on #ubuntu then | 10:40 |
| elmo | lamont: meh, that's lame | 10:45 |
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| alextreme | lamont: k, thanks :) | 10:56 |
| mjg59 | Argh. We're getting the entire Smoothwall development team? | 11:00 |
| mdz | lamont: syslog is not "nice" :-) | 11:01 |
| lamont | mdz: well, yeah | 11:03 |
| lamont | so why did we not hit the gzip futex bug until recently? | 11:03 |
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| plovs | any of the documentation people awake? | 11:06 |
| mdz | lamont: what's the latest mplayer story, now that xvidcore was synched? | 11:11 |
| mdz | lamont: I guess that relatively few folks are using futexes on SMP systems with apt; it seems to be difficult to trigger | 11:12 |
| lamont | unknown/mplayer_1:1.0-pre5-0.4: Dep-Wait by buildd+macaroni [-:uncompiled] | 11:12 |
| lamont | Dependencies: libavcodec1-dev | 11:12 |
| lamont | grumble | 11:12 |
| lamont | ffmpeg delivers libavcodec2-dev, but it's ftbfs | 11:15 |
| lamont | i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `h263_h_loop_filter_mmx': | 11:15 |
| lamont | i386/dsputil_mmx.c:634: error: can't find a register in class `INDEX_REGS' while reloading `asm' | 11:15 |
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| lamont | mdz: in other words, we're still short a build-dep or 6 | 11:17 |
| mdz | lamont: are you overriding its optimization flags? | 11:18 |
| lamont | mdz: we force optimization to 0..3, you can't say -O6, or you get -O3. | 11:18 |
| lamont | that's all on that front. | 11:18 |
| lamont | but we do force the architecture level... | 11:18 |
| lamont | hrm. | 11:18 |
| === lamont rolls sbcl back to the top of the hill again | ||
| lamont | or rather, ffmpeg, eh> | 11:19 |
| lamont | build running | 11:21 |
| amu | lamont: morphix grubsplash, booting takes hours ;) gnomepanel is working, sound same problems like before | 11:31 |
| lamont | amu: which image are you booting? | 11:33 |
| amu | testing/LiveCD/current | 11:33 |
| amu | 688748544 2004-10-18 19:28 warty-live-i386.iso | 11:34 |
| lamont | amu: process issue resolved. thanks | 11:35 |
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| amu | i didn't took the time, guess I waited for 5min. ;) | 11:36 |
| sivang | jdub : around ? | 11:36 |
| sivang | seb128 : ping | 11:38 |
| seb128 | pong | 11:38 |
| amu | lamont: bootspash looks empty, you should write something nice "Take your Ubunto to everywhere" *ducks* | 11:38 |
| sivang | seb128 : going through the manual, I see we don't have "Browse Folder" option on the default nautilus layout | 11:38 |
| Kamion | "Ubuntu" | 11:38 |
| seb128 | sivang: ? | 11:39 |
| lamont | alextreme: thoughts on the sound-isms? | 11:39 |
| lamont | amu: all the splashes are just me throwing something in. Not to be confused with any kind of blessed artwork. | 11:39 |
| sivang | seb128 : the manual describes how to use the "open each fodler in a new window" nautilus window | 11:39 |
| sivang | seb128 : and choos "File"->"Browse Folder" to make it show in the file browser (it' | 11:40 |
| sivang | seb128 : mode of nautilus. But we don't have this on the default layout..DO you know if it's something that was chagned in Ubuntu compared to upstream 2.8 ? | 11:40 |
| amu | hmm alsa, there was a cannot cp file errormessi while starting | 11:40 |
| seb128 | sivang: I've it here | 11:40 |
| seb128 | can you make a screenshot of a window with the file menu open ? | 11:41 |
| sivang | seb128 : yes | 11:41 |
| alextreme | lamont: what soundisms? | 11:41 |
| amu | lamont: cp /etc/devfs/conf.d/Alsa no such file or dir | 11:41 |
| lamont | alextreme: devices getting found in the (apparently) reverse order, leading to the sound system running on the modem, and not the sound card. | 11:42 |
| lamont | that is /dev/dsp pointing to the wrong device, because the two "sound cards" were found in the reverse order. | 11:42 |
| alextreme | ahh, what matt said earlier. i'll take a peek, shouldn't be hard to reverse | 11:43 |
| lamont | yeah - that | 11:43 |
| lamont | with luck, that's the whole sound issue | 11:43 |
| mdz | lamont: how did ffmpeg go the second time around? | 11:44 |
| mdz | it has lots of inline assembly, so it tends to be sensitive to optimisation | 11:44 |
| amu | alextreme: btw. hi | 11:44 |
| lamont | mdz: uploaded | 11:45 |
| mdz | cool | 11:45 |
| alextreme | amu: gday :) | 11:45 |
| lamont | mdz: but that doesn't fix the problem, you know. | 11:46 |
| mdz | lamont: oh? | 11:46 |
| lamont | ffmpeg delivers libavcodec___2___ | 11:46 |
| lamont | and mplayer b-d's libavcodec1-dev | 11:46 |
| mdz | http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/source/mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.6.dsc | 11:47 |
| mdz | build-depends: libavcodec2-dev | 11:48 |
| mdz | please request a sync | 11:48 |
| lamont | from that url? | 11:48 |
| lamont | sent | 11:49 |
| elmo | uh | 11:50 |
| elmo | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ | 11:50 |
| elmo | is what I've been using? | 11:50 |
| amu | :) | 11:51 |
| === lamont points elmo at mdz. | ||
| lamont | but I bet elmo has a good site for it. | 11:51 |
| lamont | esp if it has 1.0-pre5-0.6 :-) | 11:51 |
| sivang | this is also what I am using | 11:51 |
| elmo | oh, never mind it's one of the stupid, "I have two versions in the Sources file" victims | 11:52 |
| mdz | elmo: that's a mirror of the same stuff | 11:52 |
| elmo | I didn't sync in case it had actual changes | 11:52 |
| mdz | which google found first | 11:52 |
| lamont | mdz: btw, doing a blind bootstrap attempt on everything currently dep-waiting, just to be thurough and tie up a buildd for a while. | 11:53 |
| === lamont looks for something to throw at doko | ||
| lamont | OT: hppa is now 30.5 hours into building the latest gcc-3.4 | 11:55 |
| doko | lamont: wrong channel ;) | 11:55 |
| doko | should I start another one, maybe I get it finished earlier ... | 11:56 |
| lamont | doko: well, yes. hence the "OT" | 11:57 |
| lamont | actually, I killed the 8 runaway processes from a previous build | 11:57 |
| lamont | unless you want to claim lt-gij or SyncTest.exe | 11:57 |
| doko | smp kernel? | 11:58 |
| lamont | once it gets more than 12% of the CPU, it should build faster. | 11:58 |
| lamont | UP kernel | 11:58 |
| doko | strange, I've seen this with smp kernel only. | 11:58 |
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