SmokingFireDebian might has the same as Ubuntu but on my PC, I just pop in the CD and boot -install and the default desktop is already very usable.12:00
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Kimikowell if you want bleeding edge stuff you should just roll your own binaries and use CVS to keep up-to-date12:00
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jdubKimiko: my mum disagrees with you.12:00
SmokingFireThats also why I like the one CD, I get it as I need it.12:01
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mirak_smokingfire, 1 cd also makes it a bit more newb friendly........at least for me...hehe12:01
xskoulaxjdub, you bastion of humanity! you typed mum instead of that mom crap i have to put up with12:01
ploumKimiko, I don't think you will have any problem12:02
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Mitariohello everyone12:02
ploumwhat your network card ?12:02
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mirak_kimiko, you a newb???....if that is the case...ubuntu is really friendly12:02
Kimikono i'm not a newbie12:02
SmokingFireKimiko: but your noob?12:03
mirak_kimiko, oh....sorry for implying12:03
Kimikoi've used redhat for a long time but switched to debian when it got too commercial12:03
neuro_we need some sort of NewbieGauge in here :)12:03
Kimikoi've used debian for a few years now12:03
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Kimikoit's okay, but i don't like to wait for gnome and X packages12:03
SmokingFireKimiko: Yes but debian doesn't count, debian only supports one mouse button12:03
Kimikoredhat was better in that regard12:03
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mirak_but i must say that hanging out in irc chat i learn real fast, just pick up on things12:04
jdubKimiko: ubuntu releases a preview release on the same day gnome releases12:04
Kimikosounds good12:04
Mithrandirjdub: "incidentially". ;)12:04
dieman_this is odd12:04
xskoulaxcomes with gnome 2.8 as standard12:04
dieman_i can't seem to get passwd to do updates to nis via pam12:04
Kimikoi think debian sid is up-to-date with gnome 2.8 mostly by now12:04
ericfI'd like to use the kernel .config file the default ubuntu kernel uses, to change it only a bit. Where can i find that config file?12:05
SmokingFirewas just thinking that my IRC client need the option "filter" which will filter out all conversations except the one you want to follow. This is as sometimes I go back in the history of the client (scroll up) but its hard to follow a conversation that way.12:05
jdubericf: /boot/12:06
Kimiko@smokingfire: can't you just 'ignore' those not participating in that thread?12:06
ericfjdub: thanks!12:06
Bliksemhow do i fond all running processes?12:06
xskoulaxSmokingFire: that would be a nice thing to have, dunno how you could implement it though12:06
BliksemI want to start removing things i dont need running12:07
lamontjdub (et al): in evo, my wife clicks on a URL in the message (which conveniently says click to open when you mouse over it), and no browser window opens...12:07
mirak_would be tuff, as new ppl join the convo all the time12:07
lamontwhat do I need to install/configure to make her happy?12:07
Kimikoall running processes? or just the ones with windows?12:07
neuro_you get used to multi-threaded convos on irc after a while :)12:07
SmokingFireKimiko: not talking about like live talking but for example often I let my computer running and IRC logged in, when I'm not there. 12:08
Bliksemall processes12:08
lamontneuro_: or your head implodes12:08
neuro_lamont: or that12:08
xskoulaxlamont: i'm not going to answer that question ;-)12:08
neuro_wait, wait ...12:08
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neuro_no, not exploded yet12:08
ericfwhy does it look like the kernel source packages (  apt-cache search kernel source | grep source ) are only up to 2.6.7, when ubuntu ships ?12:08
Kimikoused to be called 'ps', bliksem12:08
mirak_smokingfire...i havent left the room since my ubuntu install12:08
neuro_cue a round of /whois'es12:09
tolleericf: they newest sources are named linux-sources12:09
thursdaydoes anyone have an access point that doesn't broadcast it's ssid that they've been able to connect to successfully from linux?12:09
ericfaaah thanks tolle12:09
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BliksemKimiko, I want to edit what processes start at startup12:09
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jdublamont: what does desktop preferences > preferred applications say?12:09
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Kimikosystem boot, or gnome login?12:10
Kimikosystem boot: don't know what ubuntu uses, but for debian it's in /etc/init.d/12:10
inklingxBliksem: rcconf12:11
Kimikognome login: prefs->sessions12:11
thully__I'm having problems w/APM (my system freezes on resume sometimes, and it seems a tad more unstable) - should I report these as bugs?12:12
dieman_lamont: hey12:12
dieman_lamont: do you happen to have a nis testbed anywhere to see if you can recreate a bug?12:12
Kimikothully: only useful if you can figure out what causes it12:12
thully__ACPI works, but resume takes 10% of my battery per hour12:12
thully__It happens occasionally when I use APM suspend12:13
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thully__What is more stable on Linux - APM or ACPI?12:13
thully__I'm on ACPI now - but wish I could use suspend without using 10% of my battery per hour12:14
mirak_thully__, that does kinda suck12:14
Kimikosounds more like a bios setup problem than a linux problem12:15
thully__I have a ThinkPad T42 - supposedly this is a known problem12:15
thully__I updated the BIOS 2 weeks ago12:15
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thully__I haven't quit - I just had some network trouble and my ghost user quit12:16
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LeeColletonis there going to be a live CD for PPC for the final version of Warty?12:17
lamontjdub: turns out that installing mozilla-firefox fixed the problem... :-_12:17
dieman_lamont: nevermind12:17
lamontdieman_: yellow plague?  don't have any of it12:18
dieman_lamont: found a bug in libpam-modules, have a nice day :)12:18
scabbersIs there going to be a gdm theme that is not as ugly as the one it has now12:18
jdublamont: hrm. :)12:18
KamionLeeColleton: doubt it, unless lamont has something special up his sleeve12:18
lamonttime to drag mitzi's computer forward from sounder 6 or so.12:18
Kimikocheck out http://art.gnome.org/ and http://www.gnome-look.org/ for GDM themes12:18
Kamionlamont: whee!12:19
lamontLeeColleton: look for a live CD/ppc in the hoary timeframe12:19
scabbersIt seems so gay to have that shirtless guy on there12:19
lamontLeeColleton: you still may not find it, of course. :-)12:19
Kamionscabbers: there was a fair bit of discussion in the community meeting today, and some changes are planned, although I don't know the details; Mark will be announcing them later.12:19
Ngscabbers: how old are you? ;)12:19
Kimikothere are more women in there than men, so I doubt it would be gay if you're a guy12:19
lamont248 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.12:19
mirak_yeah...2 on 1 isnt a bad idea12:20
scabbersI guess12:20
scabbersI do like the brown once logged in12:20
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thullyMy system froze solid a few hours ago when using APM mode - do you think that could be overheating (since APM has no speedstep)12:21
xskoulaxthe brown right after login is delicious reminds me of chocolate12:21
Kimikowell it's been nice meeting y'all. I'll ponder this ubuntu thing some more12:22
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xskoulaxmy only complaint is with the new desktop the girls could do with being taller, i can cope with the guys chest there it just needs company ;-)12:23
willdoes anyone have to acpi=force to get it working?12:23
willin grun12:23
willgrub even12:23
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mirak_xskoulax, that is funny12:25
pixelmonkeydoes anyone here know what starts dhclient on startup?  I can't find it in init.d scripts.  I want to disable it and use dhcpcd instead12:25
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pixelmonkeyunfortunately I can't apt-get remove it since it's part of ubuntu-base.12:26
cianid3that sucks12:26
dmzenhi, is someone willing/able to answer a scanner question12:27
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SmokingFireabout the smoothwall router/firewall, I see nothing about its requirements (hardware).12:27
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dieman_that bug is abotu as focused as I'll get it12:30
cristianwhat is the ubuntu way of administering init scripts and runlevel? I'd be grateful to have something cli-based that's not update-rc.d12:32
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calccristian: rm, cp?12:34
cianid3smokingfire: it requires practically nothing12:34
cianid3what are you trying to install it on?12:34
ericfthe ubuntu faq says there are optimized kernel packages for k7, but with 'apt-cache search' I really can't find any of them. What should be the correct name of the package?12:34
SmokingFirebut ram,vga graphs?12:34
jdubericf: apt-cache search linux image k712:34
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cianid3i used smoothwall headless with 64 megs of ram12:35
cianid3on a pII 233mhz12:35
cianid3ericf they are in the universal repository12:35
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SmokingFirecianid3: I'm just informing but I was looking for something for a 486/386 as can get those for free.12:35
dieman_mdz: check out the changelog for 0.75-2 :)12:36
cristiancalc: and not ln? be serious12:36
cianid3should run fine on a 48612:36
cianid3you may want to turn off snort though12:36
dieman_mdz: oh, you did12:36
ericfhmmm... i see. But why is it that 'apt-cache search linux image k7' shows a lot of kernel-image-... entries, and 'dpkg -l kernel-image*' shows only kernel-image-2.4 ?12:36
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cianid3search for
cianid3just 2.6.812:36
cianid3that should show you all the kernel crap12:36
ericfow that's only for lines of which 1 an image... it's the one for 38612:37
gotd0tcan anybody help me set up my dual monitors?12:38
ericffoUr (4) lines i mena. headers and module-stuff are the other 312:38
ericfi type like a drunk12:38
matiashfgotd0t: what kind of card do you have?12:40
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calccristian: yea ln would be good too12:41
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thursdayis gpdf only in universe?12:42
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eyalhi, does anybody know how to get a sweex webcam to work? (sn9c102 module, loads fine, but then?)12:45
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SmokingFiregpdf sucks, it crashes, don't know why as xpdf is it's base and that works12:46
thursdaySmokingFire, hah i didn't know that. but since xpdf works and i was able to print them out... i guess i'm good :)12:49
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thursdaySmokingFire, do you edit a lot of word documents by any chance? I do because of school... would you recommend i stick with oo.o or go with abiword?12:50
SmokingFirethursday: I tried gpdf as I saw its UI on screenshots on the internet, but when I downloaded at installed it and then tried to open a PDF that worked in xpdf, after trying to go to the second page (or any page) of that pdf, it just stopped working. First page it showed but any other, navigating with scrollwheel or cursors, just didn't do anything then show and blanscreen and application becoming non responcive.12:51
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hazmatgpdf has some issues12:51
hazmatfor word compat oo.o is best12:51
SmokingFireI think abiword is nice plain RTF documents but OO.o is better when doing more advanced formating.12:52
andrilhello all12:52
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SmokingFirethursday: But if for school, why not just use rtf format? Its universal like the text format.12:53
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SmokingFirethursday: but the best thing is to try and experiment and find out which on is best for you. 12:53
thursdaySmokingFire, my school provides the school materials thru the website which come in .doc12:54
xskoulaxthursday: yea even ms word can cope with rtf documents ;-)12:54
thursdaybut as for thing i compose myself i can use anything as long as it will let me do the standard formating stuff12:54
SmokingFireooh, well there are ms word plugins for abiword if I'm correct.12:54
cardadorthursday: abiword opens doc just fine12:54
xskoulaxthursday: then you would be better off with OO.o then i would imagine12:54
thursdayi tried install office with wine... but i only have office 2003 and it didnt like wine12:55
mirak_there are for openoffice for sure, but forgive me, as i did not participate in the whole convo12:55
SmokingFireand ask them to use a non proprietary format.12:55
thursdaySmokingFire, if only it was that easy... although im curious to see what would happen if i sudgested it... hell i don't even know who i would sudgest it too12:56
SmokingFireelse ask them to buy you crossoffice and ms office.12:56
thursdayi have ms office12:56
SmokingFirewell don't tell them that12:56
thursdaythe version i own wont work with wine tho12:56
SmokingFiremilk them out and they will perhaps use another document format.12:56
thursdayyeah that's worth a shot... i'm going to look into that12:57
SmokingFiredo you have an IT teacher at your school? I had at mine and he was also at the same time the networks guy.12:57
thursdayanyone know how to get oo.o from using AA ? i have gnome set on monocrhome but oo.o is still AA'n the UI12:57
thursdayim sure theres more than one it teacher its just a matter of finding one with sufficient influence12:58
xskoulaxthursday: i can't see why they would have problems with using rtf, people using word can still open it so its not like it affects other users12:58
SmokingFirethursday: basically write a letter to your principal and vice people and tell them you are just a poor student and bla bla and also do that vocally.12:59
thursdayyes but im sure that when they have standardized on a document format, it could prove difficult to convince them to switch to an alternative format12:59
thursdayi got to university of phoenix... it's not your ordinary little school01:00
SmokingFirewell just they just need to tell the teachers to save their lessons in rtf format.01:00
thursdaythe teachers don't publish the lessons01:00
thursdaythey have some board that aproves and publishes them i belive01:00
xskoulaxthursday: the following link might be useful for your work should you decide to use OO.o, http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=822501:00
thursdayxskoulax, thank you01:01
SmokingFirewell, if they have an IT guy he could write a little vba script to convert all doc's into rtf. 01:01
SmokingFirethey should that anyway.01:01
SmokingFireperhaps a script that converts doc's to rtf and pdf.01:01
thursdayi agree with you... i'm going to look into it01:02
thursdayit would be cool to have the material in a format other than word01:02
SmokingFirethursday: tell that its not such a big deal to have automated document conversion and just a one time investment.01:02
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SmokingFireI'm using that they are using a content managment system written in ASP or PHP or JSP, when author attaches a document the CMS will check the doc format and convert if needed.01:04
SmokingFireusing - thinking01:04
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SmokingFireIs there any place to do suggestions on google?01:07
SmokingFireI would like the usenet (googlegroups) to display a mouse over text (yellow text box) showing the full subject of the post. Should be that huge to implement and also not making the webpages heavier.01:08
eyalhello, can anybody help me hook up a webcam -- i've never used video4linux before, i got the module to work but i don't know what i should do now ...01:09
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Ngwhere's the filetypes config in gnome 2.8? specifically I want to setup a protocol handler, rather than a filetype01:13
Ngbut that's where they used to live ;)01:13
Ngnevermind, found the gconf entries :)01:13
mirak_Despair, ?????are you here?????01:13
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mirak_ooo....i get much better frame rates using xfce4 than gnome01:18
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occywhat's a good camera tool that is in Ubuntu?01:20
occyneed to get pics off my camera via usb01:21
mirak_occy, cant you just mount the camera...and pull them off???01:21
occydon't think so...01:21
azrailWhat DE do you use?01:21
azrailDE = Desktop Environment01:21
occyoh, default GNome 2.801:22
mirak_would de be the same as wm??01:22
mirak_DE=WM ??01:22
occymirak_, naw... window manager and desktop enviorn, not the same. 01:22
occymirak_, a desktop enviorn can have a window manager...01:22
mirak_ic ic01:22
occyor you can use a wm by itself without the DE01:22
mirak_i use xfce4......what is that...a DE or WM??01:22
occymirak_, supposedly a DE.  :)01:23
occyseems more like a WM to me though. 01:23
occya nice one though01:23
mirak_yeah.... i like it01:23
occyanyhoo... so my camera...01:23
azrailhave you looked at gphoto?01:23
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mirak_occy, sorry for stealing your thunder01:23
occyno worries mirak_ ;)01:24
mirak_i have a question01:24
mirak_if i open an app from terminal and close the terminal the app closes01:24
occyhmmm, gphoto2 seems like a command line tool...01:25
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azrailmirak_: what is the question.01:25
mirak_but i opened xchat from terminal......moved it to another workspace,desktop, whatever, and used that terminal to open something else, then closed it....xchat stayed open01:25
mirak_why is that???01:25
mirak_i was getting to it01:25
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azraili am inpatient... :)01:25
mirak_i did "run program" for this xchat window not from terminal01:26
mirak_now that makes sence01:26
occygp_port_read: Connection timed out01:26
occy*** Error (-6: 'Unsupported operation') ***01:26
mirak_what is that?01:27
occyThe Fedora Core 1.0 tool read this camera just fine.01:27
occywhich.... I think is based on gphoto01:27
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azrailkernel is the first thing that is coming to mind.01:27
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mirak_can anyone help me to find out if my vid card is working properly?01:28
mirak_wich i know isnt.hehe01:28
mirak_i have a ati radeon 7000/ve agp01:28
mirak_i get fps of about 300, wilst someone in this room gets like 200001:29
mirak_with the same card01:29
mirak_how to make it function properyly?01:30
azrailstop playing music, and any other program and run glxgears01:30
mirak_all i have open is xchat.........and so did he at the time of the test01:30
azrailopen you /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:30
azrailand what does your Section "Device" say01:31
mirak_give me a min....have to figure out how in xfce401:31
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mirak_ok it is open now01:32
azrailwhat is the contents of your Section "Device"01:33
mirak_Section "Device"01:33
mirak_Identifier"Generic Video Card"01:33
thursdayis ubuntu going to use xorg?01:33
Se7hone question: is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?01:34
mirak_at final realease, thursday,01:34
mirak_thursday, so i hear01:34
Kamionmirak_: Wednesday.01:34
Kamionoh :-)01:34
Kamionsorry, failed to read01:34
azraildriver "radeon"01:34
mirak_azrail, just change it?01:35
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cardadoranyone got totem to open movies subtitles?01:35
azrailmirak_, yea change default ati to radeon, you may have to go to www.ati.com to det a kernel module, or compile DRI into your kerenel.  I am not sure, I never used a ATI card before.01:35
azrailKamion, what version of x.org?01:36
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Ninjas-Rezatmhey everyone01:36
mirak_azrail, then i will leae it till i speak with someone who knows for sure01:36
Ninjas-Rezatmhow do you disable unwanted services again?01:36
mdzmirak_: it's much simpler than that; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto01:37
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Kamionazrail: current I imagine, given we employ one of X.org upstream01:37
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toothpickI got to complain...the graphics are getting a bit risque for my fifth grade class.01:38
Ninjas-Rezatmthe only services tool I know how to use was /sbin/chkconfig01:38
Ninjas-Rezatmbut ubuntu does not have that01:38
toothpickI did an apt-get upgrade and when I came back it had new graphics...with half naked people.01:38
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Kamiontoothpick: we had the community meeting on that earlier today; some changes are scheduled as a result of that meeting, although I don't know the details. Mark will be announcing them later.01:38
Dethreadtoothpick, yes, that's what everyone's complaining about01:38
Ninjas-Rezatmpeople don't like the 3 naked people?01:38
toothpickoh ok thanks...had I had a warning it would have been different.01:38
toothpickNot when I teach at an elementary school Ninjas-Rezatm 01:39
Dethreadtoothpick, you can always just choose a different theme01:39
Ninjas-Rezatmtoothpick: i agree01:39
toothpickWell, I'm glad it's being addressed.01:40
Ninjas-Rezatmtoothpick: where do you teach01:40
mirak_mdz, i tried that before and it broke X01:40
mirak_mdz, prob something i did wrong, but i dont want to re-iinstall again01:41
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toothpickNew Jersey01:41
Ninjas-Rezatmtoothpick: that's cool, I'm glad that kids are using a linux OS01:42
mirak_mdz, i think i need a little bit more in depth how-to01:42
toothpickI plan on giving a live cd with some chess things out this year too.01:42
Se7his there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?01:42
mdzmirak_: well, if you find someone who has time to walk you through the process, please add your comments to the howto to improve it01:43
mirak_mdz, despair said he would help..........ill try to remember all of it to ad to the how to01:44
Ninjas-RezatmIs there a program to see which services load at startup?01:44
Dekkardwow lots of updates01:50
brettcarDoes Ubuntu have an RSS feed for package updates or announcements or anything like that?01:51
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mirak_mdz, can you help me a min???01:51
Dekkardif you use sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get upgrade it will first print out all the new packages before asking if you wnat to install01:52
mirak_or you can use synaptic01:52
Kamionbrettcar: we have the warty-changes mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com01:52
brettcarOkay, but no RSS feeds?01:52
Dekkardgcombust seems to have a problem with this being  sudo system01:52
mdzmirak_: I'm afraid not; I have too much work to do01:52
Despairmirak_ can't use FGLRX because it doesn't support Radeon 7000s.01:53
mirak_kk.......it was just a quick one though01:53
Se7hcan anyone answer me ? o.001:53
Dekkardfirestarter firewall wants root pwd.. 01:53
Despairmirak_: back, btw01:53
mirak_despair, oooo......then can you help?01:53
mirak_despair, dont have to...i wont cry01:53
Despairsure, hold on though01:53
mirak_despairm take your time01:54
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Dekkardwi Despair01:54
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__danielmirak_, whats the problem?01:57
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|trey|Dekkard: start it via 'gksudo firestarter'02:03
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|trey|Dekkard: ie, right click on the icon it created... go to "preferences" and type that in where it says "command"02:04
Dekkardfor which app?02:07
Dekkardit say command gcombust02:08
Dekkardprollem is when i try to do writer configuration.. it wont recognize my burner02:08
Dekkardon slack it was 0,0,002:08
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mirak___daniel, vid card problems02:15
mirak___daniel, we are working on it02:15
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baHamI have a .rar with a password on it.. how to unrar AND put the password?02:20
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__danielunrar xp <file>02:22
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__danielgood night02:24
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dmzendoes ubuntu have any scanner support yet?02:24
cianid3it should02:25
__danieldmzen, install the xsane package02:25
cianid3ubuntu is linux02:25
cianid3so anything you can do any other sistros should be possible02:26
__danieldmzen, and then look up /usr/share/doc/sane/ to find your scanner module02:26
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markoniNow I can log in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/login_form ? I don't heve user name.02:27
MyKq3????? ?? ??? 02:28
MyKq3??? FREECIV2BETA !!!02:28
__danielmarkoni, hit on "log in" then on "reset password"02:28
sabdflmarkoni: we'll fix that shortly02:29
baHamhow can I extract a password protected file ?02:30
__danielbaHam, i told you: unrar px <file> :-)02:30
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mirak_despair, i am back02:32
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baHam__daniel, doesnt work02:34
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baHam__daniel, he gives me the list of commands02:34
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__danielbaHam, well, read the list:    unrar x -p <file>   :-)02:38
tolstoycan I "build" a deb from the files on /pool/universe?02:38
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baHam__daniel, thanks bud02:39
__danielbaHam, de rien :-)02:39
Despairbtw, appears mirak_'s problem is the line `BusID "PCI:1:0:0"`02:40
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Despaircomment that out, and direct rendering works.02:40
mirak_22035 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4407.000 FPS02:40
mirak_17540 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3508.000 FPS02:40
mirak_15562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3112.400 FPS02:40
mirak_21829 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.800 FPS02:40
mirak_21702 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4340.400 FPS02:40
mirak_21711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4342.200 FPS02:40
mirak_21870 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4374.000 FPS02:40
mirak_21827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.400 FPS02:40
mirak_22212 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4442.400 FPS02:40
Despairmirak_: careful with the large pastes02:40
mirak_21966 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4393.200 FPS02:40
mirak_21637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4327.400 FPS02:40
mirak_19779 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3955.800 FPS02:40
mirak_19859 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3971.800 FPS02:40
mirak_it gets better02:40
mirak_i dont get fps this good in windows02:40
mirak_i know.........its just me and you though02:41
Despairno, you pasted to #ubuntu02:41
mirak_OMG.....i am so sorry02:41
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mirak_i said i was sorry02:41
__danieli was just kidding, sorry02:41
baHammirak it's ok, but next time just avoid02:42
__danielyou'd better send me to bed02:42
mirak_baham, i thought i was on the other tab......i apologize02:42
baHamno problem ;>02:42
mirak_but did you see those framerates.hehe02:43
JanneMDespair: where was that line?02:43
mirak_ive never seen em this good from this card02:44
JanneMI get lousy framerates on my nvidia02:44
JanneMhaven't bothered to fix it yet, though02:44
DespairJanneM: change `BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to `# BusID "PCI:1:0:0"` in /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:44
mirak_jannem, it works wonders02:45
Despairbasically, it cures getting indirect rendering because Ubuntu told X to look at your onboard video instead of addon card.02:45
JanneMnever seen that direcive in X02:45
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DespairBusID is handy if you have multiple of the same card, to specify which is used for what.02:45
JanneMwe'll see if it helps when I get to work02:46
DekkardDespair that is for what Nforce boards?02:46
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__danielxskoulax, :-)02:46
Despairanything where you have an onboard card you aren't using.02:46
JanneMnew to debian-like OS:s, but won't there be trouble with hand-editing config files that are supposed to be managed by dpkg?02:46
Despairit seems the X configurator doesn't test to make sure it's matching PCI address to the right chipset.02:47
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Despairread the start of the file if you are worried about that.02:47
xskoulax__daniel: i hope that smile isn't indicating you are getting any ideas ;-)02:48
tolstoyhow do you install a deb file sitting on your file system?02:49
aitrusdpkg -i file.deb02:50
tolstoydpkg install?  Hm.02:50
__danielxskoulax, i think i'll go to bed now, my dog is already snoring... and i'm getting tired to :-)02:50
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xskoulax__daniel: have a good night then02:51
__danielxskoulax: sleep tight02:52
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aitrusnow you've gone and done it02:53
tolstoyI wish packages in universe would actually be there!02:53
tolstoysbcl from debian requires a version of common-lisp-controller > ubuntu's version.02:54
tolstoywith rpm, you could at least rpmbuild -ta tarfile.tgz and have something you can install.02:56
aitrustolstoy: you can use checkinstall02:57
aitrusget the source you need... unpackage it... configure ; make ; sudo checkinstall -D02:58
aitrusit creates a deb package for you and installs it02:58
aitrusyou can get the rpm02:59
aitrusand use alien to install it02:59
JanneMwould be nice with a wiki page with "debian for virgins" type info02:59
aitrusi'd like a "Debian for RedHat users" page03:00
JanneMsince many of us know linux pretty well, but hav enever used a debian-based system before03:00
tolstoyaitrus, what about the stuff in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sbcl/.  Can I use that to make a deb?03:00
tolstoyJanneM, I hear you.  I'm mainly interested in getting a dependency that didn't seem to get built in the universe repo.03:00
tolstoyJanneM, not sure I really want to package stuff --- yet.03:01
aitrustolstoy: looks like it... 03:01
aitrustolstoy: it looks like you can download that stuff, apply the patch, and go from tehre03:01
JanneMtolstoy: I've sort of been looking at packaging a bat as well - no idea where to start, thoug03:01
aitrustolstoy: however, i'm a debian n00b and dont' know how to create .debs other than using checkinstall03:01
tolstoyaitrus, is that .dsc file the deb control file?03:01
aitrustolstoy: don't know03:01
JanneMsince there's a missing packagein Universe, and I would really like to tweak another one a bit before install03:02
tolstoyAlas, I don't even know how to apply the patch.03:02
aitrusuntar the source and patch03:03
aitruscd source03:03
aitruspatch -p1 < ../patch03:03
aitrusor maybe -p003:03
aitrusthere's also a tutorial on creating .debs on the net03:03
tolstoyWell, that seems easy. ;)03:03
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tolstoyaitrus, I've seen one of 'em, but it seemed to require you to be familiar with the project you're debbing up. ;)03:04
tolstoyhm. that's not the one I saw, i'll have to read it.03:04
aitrusi think you need to setup a fake root kinda like /usr/src/rpm for rpms03:04
aitrusi believe there is a package in universe for that03:05
tolstoywith rpm, you included a little script that did it. praps the same with debian, sort of.03:05
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tolstoyAlas, but sbcl requires sbcl to build.  this should be interesting.03:06
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tolstoyI think it was patch -p1.03:12
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PandUWhere can I change the login splash photo03:13
mirak_yeah...and less than 1 minute wait is alot better than 65 mins03:14
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aitrustolstoy: there are two packages you'll probably want: devscripts and fakeroot03:14
Despairright click and hunt through options, change the gdm theme03:14
aitrusDespair: that's the login screen, not the splash...03:14
Scognitois there some schedule calendar of ubuntu releases?03:14
aitruserr... maybe that's what he wants though03:14
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tolstoyaitrus, okay, while sbcl is building, I'll see if I can apt'em.03:14
Despairaitrus: ah, I disabled that and forgot about it.03:15
PandUok where from to change the login screen03:15
aitrusPandU: if you want to change the login screen (where you type your username and password) Despair was right03:15
aitrusComputer->System Config->Login Screen Setup03:16
aitrusif you want to change your splash screen (the thing that show's what's loading after you login while Gnome is starting up).... i don't remember... =)03:16
jdubit's in the FAQ03:17
jdubon the wiki03:17
PandUno, i wont to change the screen that comes after you type the login password and enter03:17
jdubPandU: FAQ on the wiki03:17
Skifthat's in the FAQ03:17
tolstoydamn!  sbcl doesn't build!03:17
aitrustoo bad the topic is too big to read where the faq is...03:17
aitrustolstoy: maybe that's why it isn't in universe... =)03:18
tolstoyaitrus, I suspect as much.03:18
tolstoyI just wish I knew who to contact about it.03:18
aitrusthere should be a readme or something in the root level of the source file03:19
aitrus(that tar.gz file)03:19
aitrusreadme or authors or install or something like that03:19
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tolstoyI already wrote to him, but he says, "I'm not part of the ubuntu project", which means maybe it works on debian itself.03:19
aitrusit should still build on ubuntu03:20
baietasanyone got ubuntu to recognize their ATAPI CDWriter? ( I Have a CD/DVD Writer ) any tips on how to get it to work?03:20
aitrusbaietas: mine is recognized03:20
aitrusbaietas: what are you trying to use to burn?03:20
baietascdrecord can't find it...03:21
baietaswhat are you useing?03:21
aitrusare you saying:  cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus03:21
baietaswhere do i say that?03:21
baietasoh no i just run cdrecord as root... 03:22
baietassorry i'm stupid03:22
aitrusif you want to use nautilus, open nautilus and select Go->CD Creator03:22
aitrusif you are using cdrecord03:22
baietasit must be a cdrecord interface i'm using03:22
aitrusthen - at the command-line - ....03:22
aitruswhat are you usign??03:23
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baietasnautillus doesnt have Go->Cd Creator .. or it doensnt have Places - > Cd Creator03:23
aitrusxcdroast has never worked for me03:23
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baietasoh its good to know :)03:24
baietaslemme try a cd bith burn :)03:24
aitrusdo you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?03:24
baietasyes i do03:24
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baietasit went to burn:// ( open location burn://) so i'm gonna give it a shot03:25
WW_I know lamont was building the LiveCD.  Any other Ubuntu folks familiar with issues in the latest version?03:25
aitrusi'll be you are still using nautilus in spatial mode...03:26
WW_I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.03:27
WW_I'm pretty sure it "broke" after trying a test version of the LiveCD.03:27
SkifWW_: huh... I had lost it similarly, UNTIL I install ubuntu :)03:28
WW_Any chance there is a simple way to turn it back on?03:28
lamontWW_: sup?03:28
lamontthat's a keymap question...03:29
lamontdaniels: you here03:29
WW_Is keymap a hardware thing?  03:29
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danielslamont: sup?03:31
WW_lamont: By the way, I tried the 20041018-18 build on a Dell Latitude C800.  X didn't work.03:31
baietasaitrus it works:) thank you :)) :) :) 03:31
lamontdaniels: <WW_> I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.03:31
danielsthe touchpad thing sounds like total bong, given we specifically enable it03:31
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danielstry installing the synaptics driver (www.synaptics.com) in Windows and tooling around with it, see if that igves you your badclick back03:31
xskoulaxsince we're on the subject of laptops, anyone tried a vaio fxa53?03:32
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aitrusbaietas: excellent03:32
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tolstoywell, seems that sbcl in universe is OLD.  Can't be compiled by a newer version of itself.03:33
lamontxskoulax: pcg-fxa53 here03:34
lamontrunning both warty and the livecd03:34
lamontalbeit with some livecd issues.. :-(03:34
baietasaitrus: what program do you use to burn cd / dvd immages or audio tracks?03:34
xskoulaxanything special you had to do after install to get things working right/03:34
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aitrusbaietas: i havne't burned any dvd's.  for audio stuff i'm using a command-line perl script03:35
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baietasnautilus seems to know what media you put in :D nice nice03:36
WW_aitrus: Use tab-completion?03:36
xskoulaxlol @aitrus03:36
aitrusbaietas: i believe that nautilus will burn audio cds.. you just can't order them without renaming the files03:36
aitrusWW_: type a<tab>  =)03:37
WW_aitrus: sure, but ai<tab> works fine03:37
tolstoyaitrus, I think they took that out of nautilus in current (2.6, 2.8) versions.03:37
aitrusmy nick is easy to complete.  1 left-hand character, 1 right-hand character.  and no one else has an ai-- name03:38
aitrustolstoy: dooooh!!!03:38
aitrusokay, i guess i lied03:38
aitrusi do that sometime03:38
aitrusjust like the CherryOS people!03:38
tolstoyapparently, they meant it to just be quick and dirty, but people were asking for all sorts of features.03:38
tolstoyso they decided to leave it to rhythmbox and/or muine.03:39
aitrusthere is supposed to be a really cool gnome cd-burning library in development... but it's taking forever03:39
tolstoyso, when they put together a "universe" or a repo, how to they compile all the debs?03:39
aitrustolstoy: with scripts03:40
tolstoysbcl didn't compile for me because the old version violated some boundries present in the new version.03:40
aitrustolstoy: i don't know specifically about ubuntu, but when i was an rpm maintainer for a project, we had a build machien with different roots that you just dumped your srpm into and it compiled them for you03:40
tolstoyI wonder if I could report to them that it "broke" due to that, and they ought to fix it.03:40
tolstoyaitrus, so you might have a problem if the gcc on that machine couldn't compile the gcc srpm, eh?03:41
tolstoyI think that's the case here.03:41
aitrustolstoy: well, actually, with gcc you can compile cross compile03:42
aitrusyou can cross compile03:42
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xskoulaxlamont: you around?03:44
xskoulaxanything special you had to do with the fxa to get stuff working right?03:44
xskoulaxor was it good out of the box03:44
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lamontxskoulax: was a criteria machine for out-of-the-box.. :-)03:46
lamonthence, just works03:46
xskoulaxlooks like that xp install's days are numbered03:47
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xskoulaxi take it you are involved in the live-cd project?03:48
lamontxskoulax: I'm the guy what has to build it.03:54
lamontand all the other binaries.03:54
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xskoulaxgotta say after 2 days this distro owns03:54
aitrusthat's p4wns"03:54
xskoulaxif you wanna be 133703:55
xskoulaxseriously though this is exactly what i've been looking for in a distro03:55
xskoulaxsmart application choice and no bloat03:56
WW_aitrus: Hilarious!03:57
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aitrusi still laugh everytime i see that03:58
xskoulaxoh yes i remember seeing that03:58
azrailquestion: I am looking to add a package to the ubuntu tree, whom do I talk to about doing such03:58
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Kamionazrail: ubuntu-devel04:05
Kamionazrail: (consider whether it wants to go to Debian first and from there into Ubuntu; it'll depend on the circumstances)04:05
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azrailkamion, good deal04:06
gotd0tI'm having a little trouble wiht my display... i get wierd discolorations04:06
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baHamis there any way to mount a .cue & .bin file somewhere so that I can install something ?04:17
aitrusaren't you mr. warez from last nite?04:19
aitrusever get UT going?04:19
baHamyea ut is working04:20
baHamvery fine04:20
baHamnow I am trying to install fifa04:21
baHamI just dont have 800MB cd-r's04:21
baHamand on my dvd-rw's are too many important files to erase04:21
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xskoulaxaitrus: consider it reperations for making software designed for windows only ;-)04:25
xskoulaxmakes my consience clear04:25
aitrussince when is UT windows only?04:25
baHamut is not windows only rotfl04:26
baHamthere is also a linux cd version04:26
aitrusyeah, i know.  i own it04:26
smoI haven't heard of a native port of fifa, however04:26
aitrusas in supported the company who is supporting my choice04:27
aitrus(to run linux)04:27
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tolstoyaitrus, checkinstall you say?  Hm.04:29
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baHamsmo, it is supported by cedega, it runs very good04:29
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tolstoyaitrus, I bet sbcl (common lisp) is too freaky for this to work, but I'm going to try it anyway.04:31
tolstoyinteresting, a 580 byte deb.04:33
tolstoyI bet checkinstall is for C programs.04:33
xskoulaxaitrus: i was refering to fifa04:33
Se7his there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?04:34
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gotd0tdoes anybody happen to know where the gaim logs are stored?04:35
Kamiontolstoy: don't think checkinstall cares, AIUI it operates on directory trees04:35
Kamiontolstoy: (I don't see how it could care, TBH)04:35
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tolstoyKamion, well, it seemed to have created an empty deb.  Thing is, I don't think sbcl (steel-bank common lisp) has a "make install," for instance.04:36
baietaswhat /dev/ is nautilus using for cdburning04:36
tolstoyKamion, it has "install.sh".04:37
tolstoyKamion, doesn't seem to be options for doing it other ways. sbcl doesn't even use "install", but, rather, cp. ;)04:39
tolstoyAh, well.04:39
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punkassanyone know why libjava-gnome packeges are not available?04:40
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punkassand if i install the from debian..will it cause chaos to my system04:40
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jdubpunkass: check the build logs to see what's up04:43
jdubinstalling them from debian is not recommended04:43
jdubbetter to get the universe versions cleaned up04:43
lamontpunkass: and if you can't find the build log there, pester me and I'll kick it again...04:44
punkasswell i cant find any of these there: libjava-gnome-doc libgtk2-java libgnome2-java libglade2-java04:45
lamontpunkass: need jdk, and there isn't one.04:45
lamontit's by source package name.04:46
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lamonthttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/j/java-gnome/ 04:46
punkassso they are only failing because there is now jdk installed?04:47
punkasslamont so is there a way around it? cuz i am assuming that there isnt going to be a jdk package anytime soon04:49
gotd0tdoes anybody know where the Gaim logs are stored?04:49
punkassoh sorry04:49
punkassyou want logs04:49
Dethreadlogs :)04:49
punkassi thought i read logo04:49
DethreadI think in ~/.gaim04:49
baHamyou can also watch the logs04:49
smo~/.gaim/logs/ sounds so obvious, but oddly true :o)04:50
baHamif you right click on the name04:50
baHamand then => show logs04:50
gotd0ti need to back up the logs...04:50
baHamview log04:50
baHamoh ok :)04:50
lamontpunkass: dunno, short of maybe build from source...04:50
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punkasslamont: hmm ok...and installing the debian packages will probably cause me more headache than building them?04:51
lamontpunkass: depends on how techincal you want to be...04:51
lamontthe warty packages were built against warty libraries, likewise for debian packages.04:51
punkassi hava get back and learn some java but wanna be able to use native filedialogchoosers etc04:51
lamontsome warty packages are newer than sid, some are older.04:51
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lamonthence, installing debian packages is "fraught with peril"04:52
davequestion: when is x.org 6.8 getting in to the tree?04:52
punkasshehe doh04:52
punkassdave: next release04:52
daveas in 6 months from now?04:52
Despairpunkass: I'd hope it'd get into testing before then... ;)04:53
punkassi belive so04:53
punkassah cool04:53
daveisent sarge supposted to go stable soon?04:53
punkasswell the officialness is in 6 months :)04:53
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baHamwhy dont they hurry @ ubuntu04:54
baHamI want hoary sooner than april04:54
tolstoysix months?  they'll be behind fedora!04:55
punkasslol.. id rather wait for stable than something sooner thats flaky04:55
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baHampunkass, right 04:56
baHampunkass, xorg is cool.. I want my gaim to be transparent right now 04:56
punkassi heard its not super stable tho04:56
punkassall depending on hardware etc04:56
punkasswell hopefully Dispair is right and they will sneak it in earlier04:57
baHamyea its not compatible with the nv/ati drivers i've heard04:58
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laanderbeing new to debian based distributions, can anyone explain what the command line/gui utility is to install a deb?05:07
laanderif i download the deb directly05:07
aitrusdpkg -i file.deb05:08
laanderthank you05:08
xskoulaxanyone know if there is a gnome applet for checking gmail accounts?05:10
defendguinxskoulax, mail-notification available on gnomefiles.org05:10
xskoulaxi'm thinking something that can sit at bottom corner of screen like trash can on ubuntu05:10
xskoulaxdefendguin: thx05:10
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thullyHow do you re-compile the kernel w/all the Ubuntu patches and wi-fi drivers included, only adding software suspend to the kernel (can just be default software suspend, swsusp2 not necessary)05:15
MyKq3hello for some resone i can't aptget update any of this <http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive> mirrors. some one knows y ?05:19
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Ninjas-Rezatmwhats a good program for downloading mp3's05:29
Ninjas-Rezatmor.. files in general05:30
Ninjas-Rezatmfor ubuntu?05:30
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Hmmmmm_Ninjas-Rezatm, try limewire05:30
Hmmmmm_or use bt05:30
MyKq3for mp3z u can use Nicotine05:31
dmzenDoes ubuntu include any scanner support?05:34
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dmzenDoes ubuntu include any scanner support?05:34
dmzenI have a hp 1210 all in one machine05:36
dmzenxsane says no supported devices05:36
dmzen"sane" at the command line returns "command not found"05:38
aitrusapt-get install sane05:39
aitruswell, if that's want you want to use...05:39
aitrusdunno about that xsane stuff..05:39
aitrusis yoru scanner usb?05:40
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MyKq3when i run aptget update u resive this error 05:40
MyKq3gzip: stdin: not in gzip format05:40
MyKq3Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources05:40
MyKq3  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)05:40
MyKq3some one knows y ?05:40
aitrusMyKq3: just run it again05:40
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MyKq3it gives me the same error 05:40
MyKq3no metter  how many times i run it again 05:41
aitrusi used to have that problem frequently, but now running the update a couple times fixes it... i never asked what the deal was, though05:41
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MyKq3and when i m trying to use other mirrors he tells me that it can't connect to them 05:42
finnwhat is the preferred java to install on ubuntu?05:43
lamontfinn: same question here, actually05:44
MyKq3finn,  what do u want to do with it /05:44
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finnMyKq3, i would like to run azureu.  sablevm doens't work... i was thinking of installing sun j2re, but thought there might be a standard one in the repositories I just can't see05:45
lamontthere's also blackdown-j2re1.[34] debian05:46
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finnlamont, is it in the standard apt sources? or do i need to add a debian soure?05:47
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lamontstandard apt sources, with multiverse component.05:47
lamontbut it looks to be less than installable...05:47
finnah.  will i break anything by running the sun j2re installer?05:48
lamontactually, the blackdown package is just the installer05:48
lamontyou may not like the license05:48
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adam__ok so if anyone here is big with ubuntu internet, i got orinoco_usb to work with 4.1RC05:50
finnhmm... might give blackdown a go then05:50
adam__on my compaq evo n800c05:50
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adam__how do u add MP3 support?05:51
cianid3i have transparent windows in linux05:51
aitrusthere you go adam__05:52
adam__i think i tried that and it didn't work, let me try again.05:53
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adam__there's no mp3 decoder...05:57
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aitrusgstreamer's mad plugin is what you use05:57
aitrussudo aptget-install gstreamer0.8-mad05:58
adam__it says that libmad0 is already installed.05:58
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aitrusthat's supposed to be apt-get install05:58
aitrusnot aptget-install05:58
adam__didn't find it05:59
adam__E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad05:59
aitrusdo you have the universe repository included?05:59
adam__i believe so05:59
crimsundid you apt-get update or refresh in Synaptic?06:00
adam__grr.. 1sec06:00
adam__didn't find it06:01
adam__binary or source?06:01
aitrussudo apt-get update06:02
adam__did it06:02
adam__didn't work06:02
aitrusdid you get an error message or did your screen just go blank?06:02
adam__same one as i gave before06:02
adam__E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad06:02
aitruswhen you did the update i mean06:02
adam__no errors06:02
adam__Reading Package Lists... Done06:03
aitrusso you have the universe repo uncommented.  you updated your cache. there were no errors.  and yuou don't have gstreamer0.8-mad06:03
adam__is there a way i can print out the servers apt-get is using?06:03
adam__want to make sure again that its there.06:04
crimsunaitrus: apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad06:04
crimsunerr, adam__ 06:04
crimsunsorry, aitrus :)06:04
adam__W: Unable to locate package gstreamer0.8-mad06:04
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Zindaren: [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad06:05
ZindarenReading Package Lists... Done06:05
ZindarenBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:05
Zindarengstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.06:05
Zindarenyou must have broken sources06:05
adam__how can i print out my sources?06:05
Zindarencat /etc/apt/sources.list06:05
aitruscat /etc/apt/source.list06:06
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aitrusi can't type!06:06
adam__deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat06:06
adam__testing main06:06
Zindaradam__: that's all?06:06
adam__yea.. i think i foudn my problem06:06
adam__the wiki is wrong06:06
aitrusno it isn't06:06
Zindarwhere is it wrong?06:06
aitrusthe wiki doesn't say "delete everything else but this"06:06
aitrusit says "add this"06:06
adam__Yea, look at the bottom06:07
adam__URI: ftp://ftp.nerim.net06:07
aitrusright.  it says to add that06:07
aitrusjust add06:07
aitrusnot bork the rest06:07
adam__i did that06:07
adam__and it didn't work06:07
Zindarthe wiki looks right06:07
adam__hold on06:07
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Zindardeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted06:08
Zindardeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted06:08
Zindardeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe06:08
aitruseven the SynapticHowto says to "add"06:08
Zindarthat's what you should have in there06:08
adam__ok well06:08
Zindarput them in that file06:08
adam__its added, now its saying that libie3tag0 is nto installable06:08
adam__gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable06:08
adam__E: Broken packages06:08
Zindardid you put the universe line in?06:09
Zindarand did you apt-get update06:09
adam__i added the 1 line06:09
Zindarthe THREE lines please06:09
Zindaryou should have four lines in there06:09
Zindarthe three I just pasted06:09
Zindarplus deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main06:10
adam__its going06:10
adam__k it works thanks06:11
adam__i don't think the instructions are very clear... something to think about?06:12
Zindarwhat's not clear...06:12
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ZindarADD using synaptics06:12
Zindarthen run06:12
adam__how to install the universal repositories.06:12
adam__no where does it say /etc/apt/sources.list06:12
Zindaradam__: if you didn't bork your source.list file and just do as the instructions said.. you would be ok06:12
Zindarthe instructions are VERY clear06:13
adam__now when i run rhythmbox 0.8.5 it still says its unknown06:13
adam__but it played in a different program06:14
Zindardid you restart rhytmbox?06:15
baHamdoes anybody use vbulletin 3 and is admin or knows how to set it up ?06:16
baHamI dont know how to change that the avatar should be on the left not on top06:16
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baHamit's a forum type06:17
evilyodahere's my problem on warty: when I run a program that requires superuser privileges, and I give my password, I get the message "Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"06:17
evilyodabut at a command line, if I type "su" and enter the password, then I get root and can run synaptic or whatever06:17
aitrusevilyoda: you are giving it your password and not the root password?06:17
aitrusyou are supposed to give it your password06:18
aitrus(not roots)06:18
evilyodaeven if I changed root's?06:18
evilyodaoh, that's interesting. Why is that?06:18
aitrusit's using a sudo-like interface06:18
aitrusit's basically the same as saying "sudo synaptic"06:18
adam__Ubuntu is amazingly good.06:19
adam__I'm very happy with it.06:19
Zindarevilyoda: because the menus run "gtkSUDO synatic".. not gkSU06:19
evilyodafor some reason I was under the impression that it was running gksu06:19
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Zindarevilyoda: considering that root is disabled by default that would be kinda hard you know :)06:19
evilyodaI guess my only concern with that is security-wise, having the same password giving root access as regular access06:20
evilyodaZindar: root is disabled by default? the things I don't know!06:20
punkassfunny: http://www.planetboredom.net/pix/details.php?image_id=92606:22
Skifevilyoda: yeah, that bit me too, since I tend to create users after install, because I want to pick specific UIDs for them06:22
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Skiffortunately booting into single-user mode worked fine, and I fixed it then06:22
punkasshow do i permenantly set a new dir path in $PATH06:22
punkassjust in .bash_profile or rc?06:22
Skifpunkass: .bashrc is best06:23
aitruseither .bash_profile or /etc/profile06:23
aitrusSkif: bah!  .bashrc is for aliases!  =)06:23
Skifwell, perhaps I'm wrong, I put it in .bashrc, as that's invoked by shells that are not login shells06:23
aitrusi wouldn't say you are wrong.  it's a religious debate.06:24
Skifaitrus; no, that's .aliases, which is sourced by .bashrc :)06:24
punkasslol...thanks 06:24
punkassis there a spot where it can be put so its universal...so when i create a new user..they have it in there PATH 06:26
Skifaitrus: I don't much care either way; I've been burned by assuming both when the other was true :)06:26
punkassor is that the skel thinkg06:26
punkassah ok thanks06:27
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aitrusSkif: especially with gnome-terminal not being a login shell by default06:27
Skifaitrus: yes, that's why I put it in .bashrc now06:27
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Skifer, odd06:27
Skifnot oss06:27
evilyodathanks for answering my questions all! bye06:29
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ubergooberI had a problem installing when using exiting partitions and data.06:42
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chris__Has anyone noticed font hinting not working properly on Ubuntu06:47
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jameshchris__: it is probably using the auto-hinter.06:51
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chris__jamesh any idea on how to fix it?07:01
jameshchris__: well, you might be able to recompile the freetype package07:02
jameshchris__: the TTF hinting algorithm is patented, and it is a bit hard to get a patent license for a product you are giving away and letting people make as many copies of as they wish.07:03
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chris__jamesh I have fedora core installed also and the hinting works there.07:11
jameshchris__: that's weird.  Fedora is also using the autohinter07:11
jameshchris__: I can't see much of a difference between the rendering inWarty and FC207:12
jameshchris__: can you be a bit more specific?07:13
adam__i installed Quanta, it's a KDE program, i used apt-get to install it and it is working, my problem is that the font is really big but i know its a QT setting, how would i go about making it a smaller font?07:19
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Jaraminhaving a broken samba package problem here... anyone willing to try to help?07:22
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punkassok i add a new dir to PATH in my /etc/profile, logout then in...so a echo $PATH the dir isnt there07:25
punkassthen added it to my bash_profile, that didnt help either07:25
punkassthen added it to my .bashrc07:25
chris__jamesh - here is a link to a person who looks like they are having the same problem.  I also saw a person on the user mailing list with the same problem.  However, noone responded to his request.  http://denial.loose-screws.com/blog/archives/2004/09/font-quality-oh-the-irony/07:26
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punkassnow when i do a echo $PATH its there, but when i launch an app from the menu that depends on java it doesnt work07:26
punkassany thoughts out there?07:26
punkassthe only thing i havent done is a full reboot07:27
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jameshchris__: well, there are two things that could affect the output: the version of freetype (+ any patches, and whether the bytecode interpreter is on or off), and the actual font file07:32
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Xx_joel_xXanyone avail to help me with a ldap problem?07:35
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TziganeWow, this is a big channel =)07:39
TheMusoTzigane: It is a big channel, but even when not all of us are actually at our machines, we are still connected.07:39
Jaraminjoel: maybe, depends if it's a tough problem ;)07:39
TheMusoThere are people connected from all over the world.07:39
Xx_joel_xXjaramin i have a screenshot of my problem07:40
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TziganeYeah, that's true =)07:40
TziganeHas anyone had issues with the nvidia drivers?  The default kernel wasn't working with my Inspirion 8600's sound card, so I reinstalled my custom one, and installed the nvidia driver from nv's binary, only to find I had to re-install the nv stuff every time I rebooted07:40
punkassTzigane: ubuntu has the nvidia drivers packaged07:41
punkassso they usually work quite well07:41
Tziganepunkass: So I saw, but they were only for the default kernel, which didn't work with audio07:42
mdzTzigane: report a bug07:42
punkasshmm..what was the problem with the audio?07:42
mdzTzigane: include dmesg output from the kernel which worked, and the kernel which does not07:42
TziganeLooking at the Dell Inspiron 8500 in the Wiki, it looks like acpi=noirq may fix it07:42
TziganeI may..07:42
mdztry that first07:42
punkassi would try that..07:42
mdzif that doesn't fix it, report a bug07:42
punkassi know i had to do a   nolapic   07:42
punkasson a dell d60007:43
mdzthere are a number of Dell BIOS issues already reported in bugzilla07:43
mdzI didn't notice you mentioned it was a Dell07:43
SuperL4gDid I hear right that there was going to be some big discussion today about the artwork?07:43
TziganeAhh I see...07:43
TziganeHmm I will try it07:44
punkassmdz: you know anything about setting up PATH for java07:44
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TheMusoSuperLag: The discussion has already taken place.07:46
TheMusoAbout 25-27 hours ago. :)07:47
SuperLagTheMuso: what came of it?07:47
TheMusoSorry, subtract 12 hours from those. My maths isn't too good today07:47
TheMusoBasically the artwork that appears on the GDM screen and the splash screen will be installed, but not the default artwork07:48
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ZindarTheMuso: you mean the default artwork will not be installed, or everything will be installed but nog be default?07:50
TziganeThanks for the help =)  I can't believe how fast that response was07:52
TheMusoThe artwork will still be part of the install I think, but won't be a default.07:52
Tziganeplease i want more07:52
Tziganeart that is 07:52
Tziganeyes it's very nice :-) 07:52
Tziganeit's fun to watch when i am alone at home and feeling naughty07:52
punkassTzigane: you get it working?07:52
TziganeEek.. my keyboard's been hijacked07:53
TziganeI haven't tried yet, still installing other bits07:53
TziganeThe artwork is insane though =) What the porn!!!07:53
TziganeEspecially the desktop wallpapers07:53
TziganeIt's a little disturbing07:53
punkassjust 3 people enjoying each others company ;)07:53
Zindarwhat will be the default gdm-setup then?07:54
ZindarI likes the gdm pic.. the others I'm not so sure about07:54
TziganeMore porny stuff! :P07:55
TziganeI think it's taken a little far07:55
TheMusoI don't think the default has been decided yet, but there were calls for the original pre-release logo to be used on the GDM login screen.07:55
Zindarit's not porny in any way... quit that nonsence07:55
ZindarI see worse when I go outside or turn on the tv07:55
Zindarads both of course07:55
punkassZindar: good call07:56
liffwhere do you live?-D07:56
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Zindarliff: Sweden.. but am right now in australia and it's about the same07:56
TheMusoJust because the artwork is acceptable for one person or group of people, doesn't mean that all cultures should accept it.07:56
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punkassthats true, but Zindar has a good point...turn on the TV and blamo..the same or worse07:57
punkassor better (depending how u look at it) ;)07:57
TheMusoYeah, maybe in most western countries.07:58
TheMusoBut it makes me wonder what eastern people get when they turn on their TV.07:58
punkassyeah for sure in western countries07:58
punkasswell i get one spanish channel..and its pretty off the wall07:58
punkassand i would imagine the UK are pretty used to it07:59
punkasswould be countries like India, Indonisia, etc that it might not go over well07:59
punkassnot that ive watched much of there TV08:00
punkassor any for that matter 08:00
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TziganeI just love the way the commercial channels keep coming up with more and more extremely stupid stuff08:01
TziganeJust when you think they've hit the bottom of the barrel08:01
TziganeThere's 'spouse swap'...08:01
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punkassits advertising..there is no bottom 08:01
punkasshaha yeah..one up here called 'wife swap'08:01
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TziganeMy god =)08:04
TziganeIt's amazing08:04
TziganeI'm genuinely impressed08:04
=== punkass says apples are good...thinks he'll do the same
=== Tzigane is thirsty
=== punkass thinks its funny to talk in the third person
=== TheMuso thinks continuous discussion in the third person gets boring after a while.
=== punkass would have to agree
=== Tzigane nods sagely
=== Tzigane worries about RSI in slash finger
TheMusoTzigane: Do you know how to type properly?08:06
TziganeAs opposed to the find-and-poke game?08:07
TziganeYes =)08:07
TziganeAlthough I'm still qwerty'ing, instead of using dvorak08:07
TheMusoI have never seen a dvorak keyboard08:07
punkassme either08:08
TziganeI haven't seen one, I've just used the mapping08:08
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TziganeHmm... very impressed with ubuntu thus far..08:08
TziganeYeah, it's worthwhile learning it08:08
TheMusoThing is though, I don't think I will change. I know qwerty perfectly, so I don't feel there is any need to change. I am already quite speedy with qwerty.08:09
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Tziganeqwerty was designed to slow typists down, during the good ol' typewriter days, when typing too quickly led to the head things crashing together...08:09
TziganeYeah, vi+dvorak is evil..08:09
TziganeMind you08:09
Tzigane:wq is easy08:09
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TziganeShift-z-x-c on qwerty08:09
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Zindarhaha :)08:10
=== TheMuso won't bother playing with dvorak.
TziganeOr something08:10
TziganeI can't remember =)08:10
ZindarTzigane: you do dvorak now?08:10
TziganeIt takes way too long to learn...08:10
ZindarI guess not08:10
TziganeI can, but I'm not as fast as qwerty =)08:10
Zindarthere is a dvorak mode in vim08:10
TheMusoI have spent over 10 years honing my qwerty skills, I don't see how a change would help me. :)08:10
ZindarI think it changes hjkl to do the same at the same possition :)08:10
TziganeYeah something like that =)08:11
TziganeIt's just meant to be less RSI-ish08:11
ZindarTheMuso: I've used qwerty for about 24 years.... hard to change08:11
TziganeI'm just gunna try rebooting into the default kernel ...08:11
TheMusoWell you don't get RSI if you have good posture while typing. I.E wrists up, arms relaxed, etc.08:12
TziganeThat's true08:12
TziganeWrists up?08:12
TheMusoPlaying piano sort of helps that IMO.08:12
TziganeYou mean, like piano players?08:12
TziganeHmm... I hadn't thought of that08:12
punkasswhat is RSI?08:12
TziganeMeans you have to hold your arms up08:12
Tziganerepeditive stress injury08:12
TheMusoYeah. That is what makes me keep my wrists up.08:12
Tziganerepetitive, too08:12
TheMusoIt is ok to have your elbos lower than your wrists while typing, but having your wrists up allows your fingers to move properly and not get squashed on the keyboard while you are typing for long stints.08:13
TziganeGood point08:13
TziganeMight try that more often =)08:13
TziganeIt does make it a little easier08:13
TheMusoHaving your shoulders a good hight above the keyboard also helps.08:13
TziganeBy the way... does anyone know how to put a vga=... option in grub's menu.lst?  I'm used to lilo...08:14
hazmatwhat does SABDFL stand for?08:14
opithat way most keyboards have small legs ;)08:14
TheMusoI personally believe that people who want to learn how to type properly need to look at a pianist playing the piano.08:14
TheMusoPosture is everything08:14
aitrusSelf-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life08:16
punkasshas anyout complied libcoaster?08:21
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punkassanyout = anyone08:22
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punkass./configure is giving me this error: No package 'gconf-2.0' found08:23
crimsundo you have libgconf2-dev installed?08:24
punkasshmmm probably not08:24
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punkassthat was it..thanks crimsun08:26
TheMusoWhat is libcoaster08:26
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punkasswhat i want to try is Coaster-gui08:27
punkassits a gnome burning app08:27
punkassin progress'08:27
TheMusoAh ok. There is also another one that I know of called optimistic or something like that, in progress.08:27
DespairThe following are needed in addition to libburn.08:28
Despairlibburn 0.208:28
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adam__hey guys, i have another problem, i'm only getting like 10FPS on the Flurry screen saver, I KNOW that this card can do better, its an ATI Radeon M7 (Mobility). I don't think DRI or whatever is installed properly. Can someone help? 08:29
TheMusoWhat X driver are you using?08:29
|trey|TheMuso: umm, he prolly had one installed on startup, Ubuntu does that automagically  :/08:30
adam__how can I find out? don't want to guess08:30
|trey|s/startup/install time/08:30
|trey|adam__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-408:31
punkassPerhaps you should add the directory containing `libburn-1.pc'08:32
|trey|adam__: do yourself a favor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... answer everything you know, on advanced...08:32
punkassbut when i do a locate: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libburn-1.pc08:32
punkassits there08:32
adam__Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:0:0"08:32
adam__punkass: check path08:32
|trey|Looks right... DRI is on?08:32
adam__Load "DRI" yes.08:32
|trey|Hmm... it should be doing better then  :/08:33
|trey|directFB would be better maybe  :/08:33
punkassadam: check path?08:33
|trey|punkass: why would he check path to see why is FPS is fucked?08:33
punkass<adam__> punkass: check path08:34
adam__i forgot exactly how pkg-config worked but i remember that one time it didn't see the second directory, which was /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig, if u look there's also /usr/lib/pkgconfig with the packages that pkg-config sees.08:34
adam__pkg-config --list-all08:34
|trey|Never use pkgconfig :/08:34
adam__u could move the files from /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig to /usr/lib/pkgconfig but thats not recommended...08:34
adam__yea, pkgconfig sucks08:35
TheMusoadam__: You could try installing the binary ATI drivers if you wanted 3D support.08:35
adam__TheMuso: how?08:35
|trey|TheMuso: that was the next project *sigh*... someone asked if it was right driver  :/08:35
punkassadam: so it doesnt seem to show up there08:36
|trey|If there are company drivers... you always get them, damnit you paid enough for the support!08:36
adam__i thought there was a radeon driver?08:36
|trey|adam__: there is...08:37
adam__isn't that more specfic than ati?08:37
|trey|go to ATI's site, and read the instructions  :/08:37
adam__couldn't ati be used for rages also?08:37
|trey|ati = everyfuckingthing08:37
TheMusoUbuntu has the fgrlx drivers packaged. Search for fgrlx and you should be able to find them. THey are in restricted I think.08:37
adam__let me try radeon08:37
|trey|All purpose driver for ati products...08:37
|trey|Its binary...08:38
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|trey|thus not installed by default...08:38
|trey|have to add the modules...08:39
TheMusoWhat is ineresting, is the radeon driver is there, but not in the dpkg configuration list.08:39
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|trey|TheMuso: you sure you don't have 'linux-resticted-modules' installed?08:40
|trey|Its a non-free driver  :/08:40
TheMusoNo I don't have any binary ATI stuff installed. I am running a custom kernel, and know for a fact that I didn't rebuild any modules other than my wifi card module.08:41
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TheMusoBut in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers I have ati_drv.o and radeon_drv.o08:43
punkassdoh..i got the coaster-gui and it says to run ./configure but ./configure: No such file or directory08:44
TheMusoAnd I certainly don't remember radeon being in the list of drivers to choose from when one runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8608:44
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punkassi am doomed08:44
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TheMusoIf you got it from CVS or arch, you probably have to run something like autogen.sh to get automake to build the needed files for configuring.08:44
TheMusoSo you will need autoconf, automake, and very likely libtool at the very least.08:45
punkassthanks...gnome-common gives me all those08:45
|trey|build-essential  :/08:46
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adam__found my problem: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.08:46
TheMusoSo is that with the ati driver or the radeon driver?08:47
Despairtry commenting out the BusID line /in XF86Config-408:47
punkassi thought if you were running a binary driver you wernt suppost to have DRI enabled08:47
adam__(which i'm happier about, somethign wrong with DRI)?08:47
|trey|Radeon... it says  :/08:47
adam__well that was with RADEON08:47
izis there a howto to install the nvidea driver on a amd64 system?08:47
adam__goodluck on the amd64 system lol08:48
adam__i gave up08:48
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|trey|punkass: You're not... but he's using the 'radeon' driver cuz he's too lazy to go get the binary driver support he paid for  :/08:48
izadam__, :)08:48
crimsuniz: same procedure as on ia32 if you use the RC iso08:48
izcrimsun, ah oki08:49
adam__|trey|: its ATI Mobility08:49
adam__there's no support for it08:49
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|trey|ought to still have drivers  :/08:49
|trey|On ATI's site...08:49
adam__Somewhere else...08:49
punkass./autogen.sh: line 1: --print-ac-dir: command not found08:49
adam__MObility is OEM only. They say go to your OEM.08:49
punkassChecking for required M4 macros...08:49
punkass  libtool.m4 not found08:49
Despair|trey|: there's a lot of old chips ATI doesn't support in their binary drivers08:49
adam__so how can i fix DRI?08:50
Despairand assorted recent laptop chips08:50
Despairadam__: did you try commenting out the BusID line in XF86Config-4 as I suggested? (you'll need to restart X after that)08:50
adam__no, hold on08:50
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Kirschits in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 right?08:53
izwhats the url for the ubuntu forum?08:53
Kirschits still loading RADEON08:53
izcewl tnx08:53
DespairOption BusID BusID "PCI:1:0:0"08:54
Despairerr, scratch one of those BusIDs08:54
Kirschyea, icommented it out08:54
Kirschstill doesn't work08:54
izThis domain name has been successfully registered on behalf of a client by 123-reg.08:54
Despairok, different problem.08:54
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TheMusoI think that was the address anyway.08:56
TheMusoI stick to mailing lists personally. :)08:56
izhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/ thats the one08:56
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TziganeWell, it looks like acpi=noicq works =)08:57
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Kirschany idea Despair?08:58
TheMusoTzigane: Good to hear.08:58
Despairit could be agpgart or agp driver issues.08:59
DespairI don't know anything about issues with those with laptop chips, though.08:59
DespairLast I heard, pci gart was thoroughly smashed in DRI with radeon chips, don't know if that's been fixed.09:00
izhowto to install nvidia on a amd64: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=319&highlight=nvidia09:00
TheMusoDespair: What model number exactly is the card? You said it is an M7? I have an M7 7500 and my card seems to work with no problems.09:00
TheMusoThis is on a ThinkPad R50.09:01
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Treenaksiz: which re-directs you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto -- because that works now09:01
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xskoulaxi wish i could get a screenshot of that09:01
DespairTheMuso: don't ask me, I have an Nvidia.09:01
TheMusoWho was having the ATI problems again?09:02
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KirschI have the M7 i think too09:02
TheMusoSorry Kirsch Got you and Despair mixed up.09:03
Kirschthats alright09:04
DespairTheMuso: ati or fglrx?09:04
Kirschany suggestions? i'm getting DRI failed.09:04
TziganeWell, thanks again for all your help =) See ya09:04
TheMusoIt certainly looks like DRI is working for me all right. I have even installed some OpenGL stuff to test it.09:04
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Kirschwell, hold on asec, i dunno if i'm even gonna be able to fix the problem09:05
TheMusoNo frglx installed.09:05
Kirschmy laptop doens't turn on09:05
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TreenaksKirsch: is the battery empty?09:06
TreenaksKirsch: no power connected?09:06
Kirschit turns on then turns off09:06
TheMusoDo you get any messages on screen at all? Like any BIOS messages?09:07
KirschNo, just shows the compaq logo and then turns off... hold on...09:07
xskoulaxnot feeling hot is it?09:08
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Kirschthere it goes09:09
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xskoulaxKirsch: was it just being dense09:10
Kirschi have no idea...09:10
Kirschthat was very weird...09:10
xskoulaxi had something like that a while ago with my vaio09:11
Kirschbrb, its dying out on Network interfaces (i have 2 cards now)09:11
xskoulaxnext time you have the computer off try taking a can of air to it09:12
xskoulaxseemed to sort my vaio out, unless it was dumb luck it stopped doing it after that.09:13
Kirschi have to get that can of air first...09:13
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xskoulaxKirsch: no siblings you can hold to it and punch in the stomach?09:14
punkassNo package 'libxml++-2.6' found09:14
Treenakspunkass: apt-cache search...09:14
punkassive installed libxml++1.0  but that didnt seem to help09:14
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Kirschoh that did fix it09:15
Kirschthank you :-)09:15
Treenakspunkass: you'll need the -dev probably..09:15
punkassi have the dev09:15
Treenakspunkass: and don't compile, use the package09:15
punkassbut not libxml2-dev09:15
DespairKirsch: what did, removing the BusID line?09:15
crimsunoh, libxml++2.6-dev09:15
crimsuni missed that in my apt-cache search output09:16
punkasscrimsun: i have libxml2-dev09:16
crimsunpunkass: and libxml++2.6-dev?09:16
punkasscant find that one09:16
Kirschi'm gonna write an article about how to install linux on this laptop, its an interesting one, the Evo :-P09:16
DespairKirsch: Not at all surprised. It's not a good default for Ubuntu to enable that.09:16
KirschYea, i can see why09:16
TreenaksKirsch: put it on the wiki :)09:17
KirschI'll link it09:17
Kirschwhere on the wiki?09:17
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punkasscrimsun: well i can find a tar.gz of it but not a deb anywhere09:20
TheMusoDRI seems to work for me with the BusID option in my configuration. TuxRacer runs like a gem.09:20
TheMusoNow just have to work out why TuxRacer doesn't run full screen when sing Clone Mode on my laptop with an external monitor. :)09:21
punkasshmm and debian has it in there unstable repository09:21
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punkasslamont: u around?09:23
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jdubKirsch: what was the bad default?09:29
jdubin XF86Config-4? for which card?09:32
KirschYea, ATI Radeon M709:32
Kirschu a dev for ubuntu?09:32
Despairjdub: it's a bad default, since it's unneeded in single card systems, and in 2 card it has good odds of picking the wrong card.09:32
Kirschi love you :-)09:33
jdubfabbione, daniels: ping09:33
KirschUbuntu owns... But yea09:33
Kirsch there are a few things i would like changed, but only from my laptop perspective, include ORINOCO_USB!! :-D09:33
KirschI compileed it, can I submit it?09:33
DespairWhich is what happened to another guy earlier, with an unused prosavage being picked as the target for the radeon driver09:33
punkassjdub: do you know why libxml++2.6 is not in the repos?09:33
jdubpunkass: check the build losg09:34
punkassi couldnt seem to find it in there09:34
fabbionejdub ?09:34
jdubfabbione: see busid discussion above09:34
fabbionejdub: not now..09:34
jdubpunkass: perhaps it wasn't in sid at the time we froze09:35
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jdubKirsch: fabbione and daniels are the men to ask. perhaps mail ubuntu-devel about it.09:36
Kirschfabbione: is it possible to submit that?09:36
punkasswell its changelog is old Chris Leishman <masklin@debian.org>  Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:38:04 +110009:36
punkasshmm that doesnt make much sense since 2.6 wasnt around in 200009:37
fabbionehold on09:37
fabbionewhat is this problem with the BusID?09:37
Despairfabbione: it prevents direct rendering from working with a stock XF86Config-409:38
Kirschapparently by having BusID enabled, it had problems with DRI09:38
Despairsince it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal prosavage that they aren't using.09:38
Kirschbut when i commented ti out, it worked fine09:38
fabbioneone at a time09:39
Kirschu go since u know more details09:39
Kirschi'll ask my question after09:39
Keybukpunkass: gpg: Signature made Mon 21 Jun 2004 13:30:16 BST using DSA key ID B4E2421909:39
punkasshmm wonder when ubuntu froze09:40
Despairfabbione: I don't think the 1st AGP/PCI device isn't guaranteed to be 1:0:0, either, which may be what bit Kirsch. He's the 2nd person I know who has hit the problem.09:40
Despairfabbione: one laptop, one desktop, very different configs.09:40
fabbioneDespair: the PCI values are calculated09:40
Keybukroundabout then.  so it may have just not made it in09:40
fabbioneDespair: the same way as the first primary card is detected09:40
fabbioneDespair: it's not a random value09:40
Kirschits not detecting it properly on mine tho...09:41
Despairfabbione: so why is it setting 1:0:0 on the driver for the 2nd card? and getting it wrong for Kirsch?09:41
jdubpunkass: late june09:41
fabbioneDespair: do you have 2 differend cards in the box?09:41
punkassdoh.  ok thanks09:42
Despairfabbione: I didn't get hit by it, I commented it out before getting X working.09:42
Despairfabbione: mikal_ is the other one who got hit by it (hope I'm remembering his nickname right)09:42
Kirschare there benefits to having BusID there?09:42
fabbioneKirsch: some cards do NOT work without09:42
Keybukpunkass: in fact, it didn't get *uploaded* to Debian until 5th July09:42
punkassKeybuk: thanks...that would explain why its not there09:43
fabbioneDespair: if the savage driver does not support the BusID, it should simply skip it.09:43
punkassi am tempted to try the debian one....09:43
fabbioneDespair: if it doesn't is a driver problem09:43
Despairfabbione: it sounds like it's not checking to make sure it matches the PCI ID to the right card. Should probably get lspci output from both these guys and try to figure out what is happening09:43
fabbioneDespair: not a configuration error09:43
Keybukpunkass: it was probably sat in the NEW queue for a few days09:44
Despairfabbione: he's not using the savage at all09:44
Keybukand hadn't popped out by the time warty froze09:44
Despairfabbione: onboard, I think he said it's disabled in cmos09:44
fabbione<Despair> since it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal09:44
fabbione          prosavage that they aren't using.09:44
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fabbioneDespair: ok if you don't have the problem, let me talk and ask specific info to them. Otherwise it gets only confusing09:45
jdubpunkass: you might want to request a sync09:45
jdubpunkass: of all the gnomemm packages, even09:45
jdubwell, *mm09:45
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fabbioneKirsch: you had the problem right?09:45
jdubmurrayc mentioned this on the wiki too09:45
Kirschfabbione: well, more so a request, can i submit drivers?09:45
fabbioneKirsch: drivers for what?09:46
Kirschfabbione: orinoco_usb09:46
Kirschit's for a Wireless card on Evo Laptops (all of them)09:46
KirschCompaq Evo09:46
fabbioneKirsch: not to me.. :-)09:46
xskoulaxfabbione: i kirsch had the problem09:47
fabbionei have been called to see this BusID problem for X09:47
Kirschok well if its necessary, then i'd guess leave it09:47
Kirschthe card DID work out of the box, i can put in a howto to disable it09:47
fabbioneKirsch: driver requests -> ubuntu-user or ubuntu-devel09:47
fabbioneKirsch: mailing lists :-)09:48
fabbioneKirsch: i would like to understand:09:48
fabbione1) the problem09:48
Kirschah ok09:48
sivangjdub : I don't get it. I left the download for lamont09:48
fabbione2) the solution09:48
fabbione3) get some info from you09:48
sivangjdub : 's cd, and it hung up at 93%..09:48
sivangjdub : any known problems on the server there? I can't resume it etc09:48
bob2_sivang: is this people.u.c?09:49
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Kirschfabbione: ok, i should send an email to ubuntu-user@ubuntulinux.org09:49
fabbioneKirsch: send a mail for the driver request.09:49
jdubsivang: i don't know09:49
fabbioneKirsch: i want to know about X now :-)09:49
punkassdoh it needs bakery-2.4 and debian unstable is only a 2.3-809:50
KirschI have a Compaq Evo n800c09:50
sivangbob2_ : I am not sure09:50
fabbioneKirsch: 1) what is exactly the problem :-)09:50
Kirschthe card is a ATI Radeon M7 (7500) Mobility09:50
Kirschchecking for more details09:50
sivangjdub : you know if rsync is for anonymous access on p.u.c ?09:50
fabbioneKirsch: ok. i know that card... i have a mobility M6 and i had the Evo nc8000 for a month or so09:51
sivangjdub : I mean, if it's available to those who don't have an ssh account there?09:51
Kirschall i did to fix the problem was i disabled the BusID line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:51
fabbioneKirsch: and the problem was to get DRI working?09:51
jdubsivang: rsync on people? dunno09:51
sivangjdub : ok, I09:51
sivangjdub : 'll stick to gnome download manager :)09:52
fabbioneKirsch: now i want you to do 3 things09:52
KirschI got an error with DRI start, i forgot what it was but itwas (EE) DRI failed09:52
Despairfabbione: sorry, it was mirak_ who had the same problem09:52
fabbioneKirsch: first of all open a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com describing exactly the problem.09:52
bob2_sivang: "rsync people.ubuntulinux.org::" will show if anything's available09:52
fabbioneKirsch: and add to the bug the configuration with the BusId enabled and disable09:53
Despair(II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Device or resource busy(EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.09:53
fabbioneKirsch: and the Xfree86 logs of X starting in both the condition09:53
sivangbob2_ : tnx09:53
ygnomefabbione: I'm still waiting for a bugzilla password from Sunday...09:54
ygnomefabbione: I'd like to help with bugreports but bugzilla sucks bad...09:54
fabbioneygnome: ask justdave09:54
fabbionei am not bugzilla maintainer09:55
justdaveask elmo, I don't have access to the logs.09:55
Despairfabbione: that bad paste I did earlier was from mirak_'s XFree86 log, and I believe that's the same thing Kirsch reported earlier.09:55
justdaveI'm willing to bet your ISP does callback verification09:56
ygnomek. problem is, who else is having problems and giving up? It's a waste of effort. There should be an email link on there or something for when it's broken....09:56
fabbioneDespair: it seems to be either a driver problem or a kernel problem. I am checking with Kirsch 09:56
justdaveour bugzilla machine doesn't have inbound email, so if they try to connect back, it fails09:56
fabbioneDespair: for sure it's not something it will get fixed for warty09:56
punkassas anyone been able to compile Coaster-gui?09:57
ygnomejustdave: ok. so how should I proceed?09:58
Kirschside note: i thikn i already heard someone say in here09:58
Kirschi'm getting error msgs with pciehp,shchp, hw_random, display bug?09:59
justdaveygnome: I can set your password for you so you can get in.09:59
ygnomejustdave: ok that's a plan :)09:59
KirschDespair: it must be something, i can't reproduce the problem...10:00
Skif Kirsch: those messages are harmless; they're just the kernel trying to load some modules and failing10:02
justdaveygnome: long term you could either get your ISP to whitelist us or maybe we'll get the inbound email working one of these days10:02
Despairhw_random is a disappointingly rare hardware feature.10:03
ygnomejustdave: ok. thanks. maybe be a good idea to have an explanation on the bugzilla sign-up page about it?10:03
justdaveyeah, probably wouldn't hurt.10:03
TreenaksDespair: unless you're blessed with a  VIA EPIA mainboard/Nehemiah CPU :)10:04
fabbionehey Treenaks 10:04
DespairTreenaks: yeah, that was a smart move by Via.10:04
Treenakshi fabbione 10:04
DespairNow if only they'd get S3 to get out of the way on allowing DRI to fully support S3TC...10:04
TreenaksDespair: the new VIA driver in xorg supports dri10:05
fabbioneok if there are no more X problems to solve.. i am back to work on X.org10:05
Treenaksfabbione: good luck :)10:05
DespairTreenaks: but not the arb compression extension.10:05
fabbioneTreenaks: thanks! i really really really need it10:05
TreenaksDespair: arb compression?10:05
ZindarI have a X problem for you to solve! :)10:06
ZindarI want to be able to add a screen on the fly...10:06
Zindarwithout restarting X10:06
Zindarcan you fix that :-)10:06
punkasslol i would like that too10:06
ZindarI run dualscreen at the office.. but not at home10:06
punkassive got it at home...10:06
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punkassi just made a little script that comments out the 4 nvidia twinview lines10:07
fabbioneZindar: no :-)10:07
punkassthen do a ctrl-alt-back10:07
Ngyou can kinda do it with twinview metamodes if you don't mind screwing with your resolution ;)10:08
Zindarpunkass: why ? I always have the dualscreen settings,, if I start X with a second screen it works... if not it detects that it's not there and that also works10:09
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ZindarNg: what's that?10:09
punkassZindar: i just do it so i can play ut2004 :)10:09
NgZindar: well, I have 1600x1200 on two monitors except if I change to 1280x1024 it's only on one monitor so I can play games ok10:09
punkassif i leave both monitors on..it sits in the center of the two10:09
NgZindar: it's not ideal for just turning one monitor off at the desktop though ;)10:09
ZindarNg: no10:10
Ngmuch nicer than having to restart X to play ut though :)10:10
NgI did try having a 1600x1200,NULL metamode as well as 1600x1200,1600x1200, but that just made the xinerama bits go extremely wonky ;(10:10
punkassNg: so you just have it set up so depending on the res one or two monitors are on?10:11
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Ngpunkass: yep10:11
Ngyes, twinview totally rocks :)10:12
punkassyeah..i am using it...but didnt know i could do that10:12
NgOption     "MetaModes"                  "1600x1200,1600x1200; 1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 800x600,800x600; 640x480,640x480"10:12
Ngthat's what makes the magic happen10:12
punkassthen what do u use to select the res?10:12
NgI tell ut to play in 1280x1024, which thanks to the third metamode there, I can offer, so it switches to that10:13
punkassah automatically...nice10:13
punkasswell since i am 1280 normally... maybe ill do a 1024x768, NULL for ut10:14
NgI was half hoping I could persuade UT to fill both monitors, but having the crosshair on the edge of two monitors with an inch or two of plastic between.... sucked ;)10:14
punkasshaha yeah i bet10:15
JanneMNg: you need three monitors, in other words10:15
punkassthat would nice10:15
NgJanneM: yeah, but with no xinerama, so I need a triple head geforce ;)10:15
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Sn0wman|ZZZzzzg'nite y'all.10:16
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Kirschoops LOL10:18
Kirschi just dletect my entire /usr/bin folder10:18
Lathiatthat was stupid10:18
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Kirschi knew it was gonna happen too.. i have no idea why i just did that...10:18
Lathiattime to reinstall :)10:19
opi^workhappy apt-get -reinstall package ;)10:19
Keybukopi^work: and which directory is apt-get in? :p10:19
opi^workKeybuk: /bin maybe? ;p10:19
KeybukKirsch: ar pf /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzf - -C /10:20
opi^worktoo bad10:20
opi^workemil@rohan:~$ whereis apt-get10:20
opi^workapt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz10:20
KeybukKirsch: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude_0.2.14.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb10:20
KeybukKirsch: aptitude reinstall "~i"10:20
Ngdpkg lives in /usr/bin ;)10:20
Ngso does ar10:21
Lathiatyour more or less fscked :)10:21
opi^workeverything that not's base sits in /usr/bin ;)10:21
Keybukwhat a silly place to put ar10:21
Kirschi know, i'm gonna reinstall, also for that BusID issue10:21
Lathiateasiest option would be to reinstall :)10:21
LathiatKeybuk: not really10:21
Skifkeybuk: if you can't mount /usr, is ar really the tool you're going to be looking to? :)10:21
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Ngtar lives in /bin so you could make a case that ar should too10:23
Ngespecially on a deb based system10:23
opi^workNg: tar is usefull to restoring system :)10:24
Keybukopi^work: so is ar10:24
Lathiatthe only thing ar is usually used for is dpkg, and thats in /usr/bin, so10:24
NgI didn't say it would be a good case ;)10:24
KeybukLathiat: yeah, but if you want to unpack .debs without dpkg (like, say, if you rm /usr) you need ar10:24
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Lathiati guess10:25
Ngremoving /usr is a bit of an extreme case though ;)10:25
Lathiatbut really if you remove /usr/bin you f**ked up and thats the end of it :)10:25
Ngand nowhere near as much fun as breaking libc10:25
Lathiatoh i did that once10:25
Lathiatthat was fun10:25
Lathiatthank god it wasnt a production box10:25
opi^workmore complex system make are more complex to restore if you fsck something :-)10:25
Lathiatgo shell builtins !10:26
Ngyeah, I managed to destroy libc on a sparc/32 box with no monitors or keyboards. I had one ssh open to fix it from and (thank goodness), I managed it ;)10:26
Lathiatthis is why I keep a static copy of fileutils and a shell on important servers10:26
LathiatNg: haha10:26
LathiatNg: whatd you do10:26
SkifNg: wow, that takes talent (for both causing and fixing the problem :)10:26
opi^workok, Im afk for Slackware installation ;-)10:27
LathiatNg: encode a libc into a series of \xxxs and cat it into the library file? :P10:27
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NgLathiat: to break it? Try and dist-upgrade to unstable (bad idea on sparc/32 it seems). I think I fixed it with cat, yeah ;)10:27
punkassNg: well it didnt like that much :(10:28
LathiatNg: i meant to fix it but yeh heh10:28
NgSkif: hehe10:28
punkassputting "1024x768, NULL" gave a parse error10:28
Ngpaste the error?10:28
krischana question: is anyone using the Mozilla Firefox browser around here?10:28
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krischanI'm having a problem with it.10:29
Skifkris: I imagine most people are, seeing as ubuntu ships with it :)10:29
Skifask away10:29
jimiare there any public conclusions about yesterday meeting?10:29
Keybuksed -e "0,/data\.tar\.gz/d" /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb > data.tar.gz10:29
Keybuktar xzf data.tar.gz -C /10:29
Keybukthere we go :p10:30
punkassNg: Parse error on line 107 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-410:30
punkass        "1024x768 , NULL" is not a valid keyword in this section.10:30
LathiatKeybuk: are you serious? :P 10:30
krischanSkif: Yep, I thought so! :) Well, Firefox shows a blinking cursor when displaying web pages, which prevents proper scrolling.10:30
KeybukLathiat: sure.10:30
punkass(EE) Problem parsing the config file10:30
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Lathiathaha thats a cute hack10:30
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SkifKeybuk: stop that now, before my brain explodes10:30
Ngpunkass: the only obvious difference is I didn't have spaces in mine10:30
jimior not yet?10:30
Skifkrischan: can you give a URL which exhibits this problem?10:30
Treenakskrischan: press f710:30
Ngpunkass: except after the ;10:30
punkassi tried with and without10:30
krischanWhenever I hit Cursor-up, Cursor-down or Page-up, Page-down, instead of simply scrolling the page, the cursor is being moved. I find that extremly nerving!10:31
punkassthe ;?10:31
Treenakskrischan: press F7 on your keyboard10:31
Skifah, that10:31
krischanSkif: It's everywhere.10:31
Skifyeah, wot Treenaks said10:31
krischanTreenaks: I'll try ...10:31
Ngpunkass: paste me the line you put into the config :)10:31
punkassNg: i just tried:   Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024 , 1024x768" "1024x768 , NULL"10:31
Ngtoo many " :)10:32
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krischanTreenaks: Indeed, that's it. Thank you. Could you explain me, why that cursor is being displayed anyway?10:32
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Treenakskrischan: it told you when you first pressed F710:32
Treenakskrischan: "caret browsing"10:32
KeybukLathiat: ar is a good old-fashioned UNIX file format.  Headers are plain text, terminating in a new line :p10:32
Ngpunkass: it should be: Option    "MedaModes"  "1280x1024,1024x768; 1024x768,NULL"10:32
punkassahhh ok thanks10:32
LathiatKeybuk: yeh :)10:33
LathiatKeybuk: thats jus evil :)10:33
Ngpunkass: np, hope it works :)10:33
punkassfind out right now..brb10:33
KeybukLathiat: nope, it was *designed* so you could do this :p10:34
Keybukthat's like running away scared when you realise you can cat two .gz files together, and then gunzip them as one :p10:34
Skifkeybuk: doesn't that rely on data.tar.gz being at the end of the archive?10:34
krischanTreenaks: "for selecting text over the keyboard" ... interesting feature. Does it lack an obvious way to be turned off, or am I simply blind? (you can be brutally honest! ;-)10:34
KeybukSkif: yes, fortunately so does dpkg :)10:34
SkifKeybuk: as long as everybody's singing from the same hymnbook, then :)10:35
LathiatKeybuk: you can?10:35
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Treenakskrischan: if you turn it on (by pressing F7) it'll give you a dialog box asking if you really really wanted that10:36
KeybukSkif: though tar will just skip the junk at the end if data.tar.gz isn't the last thing10:36
krischanTreenaks: Yep, I noticed, I turned it on and off several times. Okay, thank you for the hint!10:36
SkifKeybuk: good point; I was thinking if control.tar.gz was there it would unpack that as well, but the header would probably confuse tar enough to stop it, right?10:37
KeybukSkif: exactly10:38
krischanTreenaks: The issue was that it was turned on all the time, since I had updated Firefox, and since I didn't know about the feature, I didn't know what to do about it.10:38
LathiatKeybuk: | tar xz, wasting space spitting it out :P10:38
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krischananother question: On a terminal, I like to use the key combination Ctrl-Cursor-left|Ctrl-Cursor-right in order to move the cursor word-wise. In Ubuntu's gnome-terminal this key combination only produces the output "D" and "C" on the command line, without moving the cursor anywhere. Can anybody explain me why?10:40
opi^workkrischan: wrong terminal definition10:41
opi^workkrischan: try export TERM=vt100 and see if it's ok now10:42
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guckelheilerhi, does ubunt use sarge sources?10:42
opi^workguckelheiler: Read FAQ10:42
jiminot recommended10:42
opi^workguckelheiler: you can, but it's bad idea10:42
guckelheilerbut it uses apt?10:43
bob2_guckelheiler: yes10:43
bob2_or aptitude or synaptic10:43
opi^workguckelheiler: it's Debian fork10:44
krischanopi^work: Where shall I define that? In ~/.bashrc ?10:44
guckelheilerhow many softwarepackages are included10:44
opi^workguckelheiler: so it's Debain on it's base10:44
bob2_guckelheiler: nearly all of Debian sid10:44
opi^workguckelheiler: everything that you can find in SID10:44
opi^workkrischan: first, try it on terminal10:45
opi^workkrischan: setting term to VT100  will cause that you'll not see ANSI codes10:45
opi^workkrischan: so then, try export TERM=ansi10:45
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bob2_opi^work: it doesn't contain everything from sid.10:45
opi^workbob2_: I stand corrected, almos everything10:46
opi^workbob2_: Im using Debian SID and Ubuntu, haven't find something missiong, so I assumed so ;)10:46
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punkassNg: well that seems to work pretty nicly10:49
punkassto bad it restarts X when u exit the game10:49
Ngpunkass: erk, that sounds like a bug :/10:51
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punkassoh yours doesnt do that?10:51
Ngpunkass: newp, exiting the game just pops me back to 1600x1200,1600x1200 desktop10:52
NgX restarting actually sounds like it crashed10:52
punkasstho it is still nicer than anything else so far :)10:52
Nghehe, well that's something :)10:52
xaeriusis ubuntu based on Deb?10:53
punkassNg: well thanks for your help...time for sleep..later all10:54
opi^workwe need a topic with10:54
opi^work,,Before you ask about basics, read FAQ. No, read it! We mean it!''10:54
opi^workor ,,Ubuntu is based od Debian'' ;)10:55
Ngpunkass: np, cya :)10:56
krischanopi^work: "export TERM=vt100" doesn't show any effect.10:56
opi^workkrischan: type echo $TERM and see what result will you get10:56
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krischanresult is "vt100"10:57
opi^work(in other TERM, this one has vr100;-)10:57
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krischanYes, it does. And thsi Ctrl-left Crtl-right don't work properly.11:00
bob2_does that work in any terminal at all?11:02
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krischanbob2_: Yep, my "old" terminal on Fedora Core 2 and other distros (e.g. Suse) took that properly.11:03
bob2_what terminal was that?11:03
bob2_I've never seen it work11:03
krischanbob2_: Also gnome-terminal as well, respectively bash.11:04
jameshkrischan: if it is the bug I think it is, it is a problem in the xterm terminfo definition11:06
jameshkrischan: the terminal emulator in gnome-terminal uses the terminfo definitions to work out what features to provide.11:06
krischanjamesh: I'm also searching on the topic, reading something about xterm emulation. Where can I find this xterm terminfo definition, and what do I have to change in order to get it right.11:10
NgI remember being able to use Ctrl-left/Ctrl-right to skip whole words in a shell. that was great.11:11
jameshkrischan: okay, it looks like it is a different problem.11:12
Ngworked up to about rh9 for me11:12
bob2_meta-b and meta-f work.11:12
jameshkrischan: try doing this: sudo vi /etc/inputrc11:12
Ngsince then my terminals get more and more broken ;)11:12
jameshkrischan: search for beginning-of-line, and uncomment that line and the one below11:12
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jameshkrischan: if you want ctrl+left/right to work too, uncomment the forward-word/backward-word lines too.11:14
jameshkrischan: you will have to close your terminal and open it again for the change to take effect11:14
jameshI wonder if there is a reason they are commented out?11:15
krischanjamesh: There are two definitions for both forward-word and backward-word each, shall I uncomment each two?11:17
krischanIt simply W-O-R-K-S!11:19
krischanThank you very much, jamesh! :)11:19
jameshkrischan: the first is all that is necessary11:19
krischanYou know, somehow it is exciting using a distro that isn't configured perfectly yet. By the obstacles you encounter, you really learn something about the OS.11:21
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Krypt0noh fuck11:24
Krypt0nwrong channel11:24
Krypt0nim so sorry guys :S11:24
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KeybukKrypt0n: it could've been worse; imagine what you *could* have been looking at on e-bay11:24
Krypt0ni was supposed to post it in another channel on another server11:25
Krypt0nits just that it was the last channel on my channel toolbar... now this one is, so i confused the two lol11:25
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Krypt0non topic, ubuntu is a really nice distro11:26
Krypt0ni downloaded the live cd11:26
Krypt0ntop notch :)11:26
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Krypt0nnice and fast, no complaints, except that apt-get didnt work, something about not finding a package list, but then again i'm a bit of a newbie so its most likely my fault :)11:26
mrjivehi *11:27
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krischanguys, by "apt-get install build-essentials" one can install everything necessary in order to compile and build programs. Is there something comparable in order to get an Apache web server including PHP up and running?11:31
krischanperhaps something like "apt-get install web-essentials"?11:31
Ngkrischan: you can often make that work with dependencies too - if you install, say, "php4-mysql" it'll depend on php4, which should depend on apache and so on11:32
Krypt0nheh on the ubuntu website it has that pic of the 3 people.. what is the significance of that?11:32
Krypt0nwouldnt some people find that offensive?11:33
Krypt0ni mean sure people have bikini babes and stuff as wallpapers, but im assuming that pic comes stock standard11:33
Krypt0ni have no problem with it, im just asking11:33
krischanKrypt0n: no offense, but are you playing innocent? ;)11:33
Krypt0nplaying innocent?11:33
Ngthere have been lots of debates about those pictures ;)11:34
krischanKrypt0n: I'm just asking because there has been/is going on a very heated discussing about excatly that issue.11:34
Krypt0nnever knew11:34
Krypt0nhaha really?11:35
Krypt0nthis is the first time i've been in here11:35
Krypt0na friend of mine told me about the distro and i saw on a forum this irc channel11:35
Krypt0nso i thought i would see what its about11:35
Krypt0nso what, are people actually complaining about that pic?11:35
krischanKrypt0n: On a boring afternoon, trouble yourself to read the ubuntu-users mailing list archive ... a real thriller, I tell ya!11:36
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Krypt0ni will make sure i do that11:36
Krypt0nits amazing that a whole discussion about a distro is the login page background :P11:36
xskoulaxKrypt0n: some people seem to confuse porn with pictures of semi-naked people hanging out11:38
krischanKrypt0n: One might wonder "Why all that heck?" allright, but there are people who really believe is this distro, they want to see it spread, and there're concerns that such pictury could damage the establishment of this distro.11:38
xskoulaxi could understand if they appeared to be doing anything the least bit sexual11:39
Krypt0ni agree with that11:39
Krypt0ni personally dont find it offensive11:39
darkersatanicxskoulax: But to some cultures, they _are_ doing something sexual.11:39
xskoulaxi realise this11:39
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Krypt0nbut i can understand how that could prevent it becoming a more widespread distro11:39
Krypt0nespecially for use in schools or workplaces11:39
xskoulaxjust bugs me that people can be so dense11:40
__danieli dont... Ubuntu just rocks and you can change the artwork11:40
MyKq3hello , when i tryed to run firefox with hebrew support i resived this massage "warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),  LC_ALL = "he_IL", LANG = "he_IL" are supported and installed on your system.". were can i check it ( or add it) ?11:40
xskoulaxmaybe it needs to be an option on the installer11:40
darkersatanicThe consensus here last night was that the current artwork should be shipped, 11:40
darkersatanicbut not as the default.11:40
xskoulaxthat would work11:40
darkersatanicIf you like it (and many people do), 11:40
Krypt0nthats a good idea11:40
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darkersatanicthen you can change _to_ the controversial artwork.11:40
Krypt0ni used the livecd and never noticed it11:40
Krypt0nbut thats because there is no login screen11:41
xskoulaxdarkersatanic: i like it my lcd has a faulty pixel that shows up as green on dark colors its right on the black girls nostril11:41
xskoulaxlooks great11:41
Krypt0nnice :)11:41
Krypt0ndoes anyone know who those people are?11:41
__danielmodels from 3 parts of africa :-)11:42
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xskoulaxlooks good from here11:42
Krypt0nheh the white girl don't look too bad from up here either ;)11:42
Krypt0nwell both actually11:42
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Krypt0nbut hey im a nerd so anything will do11:43
krischanMyKq3: have you installed a hebrew language pack already?11:43
xskoulaxtell you what any distro that ships with artwork featuring attractive models gets my vote ;-)11:44
Krypt0nhaha :p11:44
Krypt0nthe only problem is that would affect the growth of the distro11:44
xskoulaxwould be nice to increase the number of said desktops though to feature more cultures11:44
MyKq3krischan,  how can i check it  ?11:44
Krypt0nsince corporate/education users wouldnt like it11:44
Krypt0nwhich i assume is the ONLY problem with the picture11:45
xskoulaxKrypt0n: i agree with what you're saying fully, i just want my models with a chocolate filter over them it looks nice ;-)11:45
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MyKq3krischan,  i can c and write in hebrew on firefox .... the problem starts when i m trying to use JAVA app on FireFox 11:46
Krypt0nhaha :P11:46
krischanMyKq3: Not sure, it's been a while that I had the same problem when I tryed to establish German support ...11:46
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krischanMyKq3: I see.11:46
xskoulaxthe previous artwork makes a nice default11:47
Krypt0none thing i like about the distro is how it looks very very nice11:47
Krypt0nvery smooth11:47
Krypt0nvery unified11:47
Krypt0nthe last distro i used was mandrake 8.111:48
Krypt0nin comparison, this is really really nice11:48
MyKq3from the error masage i understud that there is a file that contine this info.... the qustion is were is it =\11:48
krischanMyKq3: Have you restarted Firefox with that command "firefox -UILocale [locale-code]  -contentLocale [NATIONcode] "?11:48
Krypt0ni can see this distro has a lot of potential, and when i have a chance i'll actually install it11:48
xskoulaxi've had it installed for 2 days now and whilst i havn't done much with it i can see no reason to boot to windows now unless i want to play games11:48
Krypt0n(im using a laptop and it seems to run perfectly, detected everything)11:48
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xskoulaxwhat laptop/11:49
needhelpbadlyhello all11:49
Krypt0nits an emachines11:49
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Krypt0narima w720-k711:49
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MyKq3krischan,  yeah that what i have done11:50
xskoulaxfrom what i heard my vaio fxa53 will be flawless, the livecd maintainer has one ;-)11:50
Krypt0nheh cool11:50
Krypt0nat the moment i have only a 30gb hdd11:51
Krypt0nbut i plan to buy a 80gb soon, when that happens i'll install the latest ubuntu11:51
xskoulaxthats what i thought, only asked as an innocent question just incase and boom lamont serves up an early xmas present11:51
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needhelpbadlyare firewalls and antivirus needed on gnu/linux the same as windows?11:51
Krypt0ni never checked, but does ubuntu come with any servers running? (ftp/www/ssh?)11:52
Zindarneedhelpbadly: no... 11:52
ZindarKrypt0n: no11:52
__danielneedhelpbadly, antivirus not that much, unless you drive a mailserver that might send viruses to the users11:52
needhelpbadlyi soudnt be paranoid?11:52
ZindarKrypt0n: not even installed by default11:52
Krypt0ni can see this going head to head with windows xp the way its going11:53
xskoulaxthe thing that has given me the biggest kick so far with ubuntu is the terminal server client, playing civIII running on laptop whilst sitting at desktop was kool11:54
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xskoulaxKrypt0n: its kicked windows down to gaming only for me so far. i just love the light install, clean desktop, and speed11:55
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Krypt0ni can understand11:55
Krypt0ni dont even game hah so for me it should be easier11:55
Krypt0nalthough san andreas would change that for sure11:56
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xskoulaxi'll have to get drivers for my ati sorted out so i can play some quake3 that with reversi and tetris should keep reboots to a min11:57
Treenaksxskoulax: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html11:58
Krypt0nonce developers start releasing games for linux, i think a LOT of people will start switching, especially when players like ubuntu release linux to the masses11:58
xskoulaxits kind of a catch22 though developers will only build for linux when it has a good market share and without companies providing 3rd party software many won't switch :-(12:01
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xskoulaxthen there is the whole closed standards mess like .doc12:01
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Treenaksxskoulax: people are switching to OOo on windows as well12:02
xskoulaxi know i've used it and abiword there12:03
xskoulaxsame is happening with firefox12:03
sertmanncan you in gnome/ubuntu invoke a command when a certain device is attached to your system, in my case when my iPod is attached to /dev/sda2 could i set gtkpod to start automagically (like gThumbs does when my camera get's connected)?12:03
xskoulaxopen source software is gaining acceptance thankfully, and with longhorn a ways off there is a nice window to capture some market share12:04
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sertmannheads up to the ubuntu devs for that btw...12:05
sertmannxskoulax: i have a feeling Longhorn will send users screaming away to other OS's when they try it....12:06
xskoulaxcan but hope ;-)12:06
nreidI notice there is much talk about ACPI issues on various laptops in the web forums - Has anyone seen an issue where a process called kacpid goes AWOL and takes all the CPU?12:06
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nreidAnd the only fix I can find is a reboot...12:06
nreidACPI support seems like a real issue for Linux acceptance, I love using Ubuntu (so fast, clean and reliable) but it would be great if all of the ACPI functions were properly supported in a bug-free manner. (SoftSuspend, etc)12:08
xskoulaxsertmann: i'd like for apple to make some cheaper x86/x86-64 boxes and ship a osx version, that way they can keep control over the hardware and we can get a cheaper osx option12:08
sertmannwould be nice if they made x86 boxes at all....12:09
xskoulaxtrue, the boxes they send products in are better than most x86 boxes12:10
Ngyeah, apple are going to do "cheaper" ;)12:11
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sertmanni would consider osx, but only if it ran on x86 architecture, and i don't see that hapening anytime soon....12:12
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muellingHello everyone!!!12:13
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sertmannfor now ill just use linux...12:13
jameshsertmann: really?  I'd prefer to run OS X on the architecture that all the apps are released for ...12:13
xskoulaxwell if i can scrape the funds together i want a apple lappy battery life beats the snot out of this vaio12:13
jameshwith a closed distro, your choice of architecture matters.12:13
sertmannjamesh, well that would work too....12:14
xskoulaxlol @ Jamesh12:14
sertmannthink we mean the same thing here so no need to argue...12:14
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sertmannI can't help that english is not my native language... :p12:15
muellingSome days ago some weird freaks got MacOS X on the XBOX. What a shame :-) 12:15
xskoulaxas a thought does anyone know about sertmann's question about autostarting gtkpod when attaching his ipod to sda212:15
muellingDoing so they used a Mac EMulator on a Mini Linux Installation on the XBOX..... ts ts ts...12:16
xskoulaxmuelling: maybe its me but that seems like cheating12:17
muellingbtw.... Wasnt there a plan to release MacOS X for x86 Platforms?12:17
sertmannxskoulax: got some response in #gnome, not entirely sure what's his babbeling about though, allthough it sounds right.... :)12:17
xskoulaxsertmann: kool12:17
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sertmannhttp://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=55 <- that could work12:18
xskoulaxmuelling: i heard that apple has an internal x86 version they developed so they have the choice to switch to x86 chips should they want to12:18
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UBMikeI have a monitor that does a little better than 1024x768, but X (nv) wont run above 1024. this is in the log, how do I fix it:12:21
UBMike(II) NV(0): Not using mode "1152x870" (no mode of this name)12:21
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muellingah ok. :-) 12:21
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muellingI suggest installing the current nvidia drivers.12:21
UBMikemuelling, ok, how would I go about that?12:22
darkersatanicUBMike: Try 1152x864 instead.12:23
UBMikedarkersatanic, ok, but how...?12:23
muellingJust go to www.nvidia.com and download the package. This is a self extracting package that des everything for you.12:24
sertmannhmmmm wait up12:24
Treenaksmuelling: not necessary, read the Binary Drivers Howto on the wiki12:24
Treenaksmuelling: ubuntu comes with the drivers12:24
sertmannthere some availale via apt12:24
muellingthe only problem you may get are some missing kernel sources. I got the linux sources from www.kernel.org, built my own kernel and then installed the nvidiapackage12:25
xskoulaxTreenaks: are their ati drivers included by chance/12:25
muellingah ok. i didnt know that :-) 12:25
Treenaksxskoulax: I think so12:25
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Treenaksmuelling: Read the FAQ first, before trying to answer questions :)12:25
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muellingthere are more ways to get to rome you know.... :-)) i just wanted to help :-)12:26
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xskoulaxTreenaks: faq what a novel idea i really should do that sometimes;-)12:27
dyni wonder if anyone knows that12:28
dynwhat version of gcc and what optimalization settings are used to build ubuntu..12:28
xskoulaxsee thats is the biggest problem with a good community, people go to them for answers12:28
sertmannTreenaks: well it's not easy to find....12:28
Treenakssertmann: it's in the topic!12:28
Treenaks FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/12:29
Ngdyn: I think that's somewhere on the wiki/faq12:29
Ngdyn: I vaguely remember reading something about the cpu targets they compile for12:29
sertmannwell i was just looking though the faq, and i still can't find it...12:29
dyni just ask, because it's noticably *much* faster than my optimized-for-cpu gentoo built from stage1, and several friends reported the same12:30
dynNg: we really have no idea about how this can happen12:30
Nghow was the gentoo build "optimized"?12:30
UBMikeTreenaks, when I 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' will I lose X?12:31
Ngslapping a load of -f and -O gcc options into a config file is not the same as optimising ;)12:31
muellingdyn: i feel the same wih gentoo. 12:31
dynNg: ok, you got point here :)12:31
Ngespecially -O3 ;)12:31
dyni didn't tweak it much, but it was compiled with -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe12:31
dyni do avoid -O312:31
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dynand with -march=i68612:31
dynmuelling: yea, it's really unbelievable12:32
Ngdyn: from what I can see, this is built with -march=i486 -mcpu=pentium412:32
dynno -O* settings?12:32
UBMikebbiab if it works :)12:33
Ngdyn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/optimised-packages/view12:33
dynlet me check, Ng12:33
darkersatanicAren't the standard Gentoo optimisation flags: -O666 -fomit-instructions12:33
dyni'd like to keep that discussion tech-close, if possible12:34
dynwithout going into gentoo flames (pro or kontra :)12:34
darkersatanicdyn: Sorry. :)12:34
dyndarkersatanic: thanks ;)12:34
dynfor example, i dont use kde. but my noob friend installing ubuntu yesterday, reported a KDE startup time of about 5 secs on ubuntu, and had it around 20secs on gentoo12:35
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dynwhich is quite a difference12:35
UBMikeTreenaks, well, it's working... :)12:35
UBMikenow to change res...12:35
Ngdyn: there are so many things that can affect that, it's quite hard to pin it down to gcc12:36
dynNg: the "optimised C library" stands for a tweaked glibc compilation, or something else?12:36
dynNg: yeah i know it's a fast moving target ;)12:36
NgI would assume that's just glibc built for i68612:36
sjoerddyn: such a big speedup can't be just gcc12:36
dynNg: i'm just looking for any hints or tips on what can cause that12:36
Ngdoes gentoo (or unbuntu for that matter) do prelinking?12:36
Ngthat's supposed to speed up c++ apps quite a lot12:37
dyngentoo can be configured to use prelinking12:37
dynubuntu uses it? it could explain the vast difference between kde startup times12:37
sertmannUBMike. good luck, i had to salvage an old XF86Config-4 from my old debian drive to get higher than 640x480 could get ubuntu to configure it properly, if you can't get it working - that's an idea right there :)12:37
Ngdyn: I'm not sure if ubuntu does, it was just a possibility that sprung to mind12:37
sertmanncouldn't even12:37
UBMikesertmann, well, I have 1024x768...12:38
dynsjoerd: can you confirm ubuntu using extensive prelinking with its packages?12:38
jkubuntu doesn't use prelinking...it does something else with gnome12:38
NgI see no prelink on my ubuntu install, so I guess it doesn't use it either12:38
sjoerddyn: i don't use ubuntu, so no idea12:38
jkprelink is available in the repo though12:38
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sertmannsaw that, but it might have something to do with the hsync and vrefresh you can't go any higher.... did you check your XF86Config-4?12:39
dynsjoerd: hmm i thought you lead the yesterday meeting here.. it must be my crap name memory, sorry :)12:39
sjoerddyn: that was sabfl or something12:40
UBMikesertmann, good idea, I have just been looking at the logs so far.12:40
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dynsjoerd: okay 12:40
UBMikesertmann,         HorizSync       30-69        VertRefresh     50-13012:41
jkthread about prelinking: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000349.html12:41
dynchecking out12:41
UBMikesertmann, default bitdepth 24, modes: Modes           "1152x870" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600"12:42
UBMikeso, should go...12:42
sertmannhmmm don't know then, those look fine...12:42
dynjk: i'm no native speaker, but Jeff's answer seems to confirm that ubuntu is getting built with prelinking by default, right?12:42
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jkdyn: nope, it uses some gcc options described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00378.html12:43
jkerr linker options12:43
dynjk: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html - "Yes. All of Ubuntu is built with it by default." - that lead me to this consequence (wrong, as it seems)12:44
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jkdyn: yes you have to read the mail before that12:44
jkwhich is msg00378.html12:44
dynjk: yup, i'll better read the whole thread12:45
sertmannUBMike, do you have your old XF86Config-4 from a previous Linux installation where higher res. worked?12:45
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sertmannthen you could just copy it and backup the old one....12:46
sertmannthat should work...12:46
dynjk: OT, but are you the one who was hanging around irc.gnome.org channels about 2 years ago? :)12:46
UBMikesertmann, well, that's a long story. It's on the dead disk :(12:46
jkdyn: nope that's not me :)12:46
sertmannUBMike: darn, eh? :/12:47
MyKq3krischan,  thanks man it solved me the problem  :))))12:47
dynokay then 12:47
UBMikesertmann, heh, check this: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (width too large for virtual s12:47
dyni was very interested in hacking gnome that time, and i slightly remember one of my mentors on glade2 hacking (when the project started)12:48
dynthen i rather moved towards enterprise java development, so i stopped completely with C coding 12:48
UBMikesertmann, (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 76812:48
UBMikesertmann, the monitor does more with windows, darn it :)12:49
UBMikesertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): Display dimensions: (300, 230) mm12:50
UBMikesertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 84)12:51
UBMikesertmann, maybe I need to set it to 100dpi somewhere.12:51
Ngif it's not giving you enough resolution, it could be the monitor refresh settings are wrong12:51
sertmanni think that too....12:52
sertmannbut they look pretty ok12:52
UBMikeIt's a mitsubishi diamond plus 17. about 10 yo12:52
xskoulaxUBMike: is there a model number on the display?12:53
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UBMikeit's a trinitron clone12:55
Kamionthat sounds more like a serial number than a model number12:56
ploumwhen I launch a terminal, I have :12:56
UBMikeserial # is 80850310012:56
ploumPackage gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.12:56
ploumPerhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'12:56
ploumto the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable12:56
ploumNo package 'gtk+-2.0' found12:56
ploumI simply play with apt-get and packages12:57
ploumwhat must I install ?12:57
UBMikeKamion, X agrees with me: (**) |   |-->Monitor "TFV6708SKHKW"12:58
sertmannUSBMike: Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 71: Using hsync  30.00-69.00 kHz vrefesh 50.00-130.00 Hz12:58
KamionUBMike: fair enough12:58
sertmanndoes those match yours?12:58
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ploumthx seb128 and lupus !12:58
Meridianre all12:58
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xskoulaxthats what i'm getting on that display too12:58
UBMikelooks good, let me get my syncs12:58
xskoulaxinfo wise12:58
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xskoulaxsertmann, looks to be the quicker googler12:59
UBMike(II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using hsync range of 30.00-69.00 kHz12:59
UBMike(II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-130.00 Hz12:59
sertmannwell that's all good then....12:59
sertmannim dry of idead then....01:00
sertmannideas then01:00
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UBMikemaybe it's so old...01:00
xskoulaxUBMike: thought about a nice shiny lcd?01:00
UBMikexskoulax, ooh yea, but I blew the budget inside the box... :)01:01
Meridiananyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?01:01
xskoulaxUBMike: you need a friend who updates his computer faster than he can change his underware01:02
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sertmanngraw.... anyone got any release date on cxoffice 3.1? i want iTunes! :/01:02
UBMikexskoulax, heh. it was a cast-off celeron 1200, but it's a P4/3.0 now01:02
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xskoulaxnice box01:03
PenguinBoymornign guys!01:03
xskoulaxbeats the snot out of this amd 1.4ghz01:03
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sertmannP4, why didn't you go a AMD64 FX-??? ?01:03
UBMikexskoulax, everything was dying. the case, cd and floppy remain from the old01:03
sertmannman i need to stop typing....01:04
bloggsieHow do I get RealAudio working? Is there something for it in Ubunto, or do I have to install it outside the distribution? 01:04
UBMikesertmann, well I dunno. I thought they weren't all they cracked out to be01:04
PenguinBoycan you apt-get RealAudio?01:05
bloggsieThat's what I want to know01:05
sertmannUBMIKE: they're fast a'ight.... :)01:05
UBMikesertmann, and real stable and cheap?The last Athlon I had needed a fan that would wake the dead...01:06
xskoulaxUBMike: i got lucky on the display a friend got a 15" lcd as a free upgrade with a dell he got a while back but 15" wasn't cutting it so he broke the bank on a 19" so i managed to get the 15" for 100$us when they were running at $350 at only 2 months old i figure it was a steal01:06
xskoulaxwell pleased at that purchase01:06
sertmannwell heating was never AMD's stong side.... it's not too bad though, just need to buy proper (low noise) fans01:07
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UBMikexskoulax, cool. the good thing about lcd's is the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.01:07
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xskoulaxmaybe when i manage to get working again i can save up and get some new toys ;-)01:08
UBMikesertmann, yea. that particular Athlon was involved in a bit of a reactor meltdown one hot night...01:08
Meridiananyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?01:08
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UBMikeMeridian, you're in luck, jdub is a krusader, and he's in this distro!01:09
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xskoulaxi would imagine when they start shipping with kde, which i "THINK" they are planning01:11
sertmannhope not...01:11
xskoulaxsertmann: not in place of gnome01:11
UBMikewhat is krusader anyhow?01:11
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mjg59There's no plan to ship with KDE, as such - the CD will be Gnome01:11
sertmannyes sir...01:12
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xskoulaxok thats koo, i dig gnome more these days anyhoo01:12
sertmannhope that won't change, atleast not until DR17 is out.... :)01:12
FluFloanybody  here uses evo to read the news? 01:12
Ngdream on ;)01:12
StoneTableone of the packages in ubuntu is the version from debian sid, not experimental (because it relied on gnome 2.8).  Should I file a bug against that, or how do I see who's maintaining that package in ubuntu?01:13
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UBMikeStoneTable, is it from universe or warty?01:14
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UBMikeStoneTable, if universe: 'software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu..'01:15
StoneTableyeah, it's from universe01:16
StoneTablebut they grabbed the wrong version01:16
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StoneTableThey've got the version of libgnome2-vfs-perl from sid, which supported up to gnome 2.6 features, but not the version from experimental that supported gnome 2.8's vfs.  It _works_, but doesn't support some of the things in 2.801:19
PenguinBoydoes anyone know hoe to apt-get flash?01:20
StoneTableapt-get install flashplugin-nonfree01:20
StoneTableunless that's a leftover from my sid migration. otherwise it's flashplugin01:21
sertmannhey that reminds me, is there a mplayer-plugin in ubuntu, or is it marillat all the way?01:21
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PenguinBoydidn;t find file flashplugin01:22
UBMikePenguinBoy, it's in universe01:23
UBMikeinstalls nicely too...01:24
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eaonhumm. for some reason i can't watch mpegs with totem - is there a gstreamer package i'm missing (like 0.8-mad for mp3?)01:26
Kamionthe usual recommendation seems to be totem-xine01:27
sertmanni had the same problem, totem-xine worked01:27
sertmannto late :)01:27
eaonmeh, okay01:30
eaoneven if i'd have prefered gstreamer ;)01:31
eaoncool, even makes thumbnails01:32
|trey|PenguinBoy: multiverse "flashplugin-nonfree"01:33
|trey|java-package is there too... much better java speed  :)01:34
PenguinBoynewbie...what does multiverse mean01:35
|trey|non-free, unsupported01:36
PenguinBoyso you can;t apt-get it......you have to download and unzip?01:36
|trey|main = free, supported; restricted = non-free, supported; universe = free, unsupported; multiverse = non-free, unsupported.01:37
|trey|Everything will fit into ONE of those  :)01:37
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|trey|Everything has to be distributable though...01:38
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junmewhats ubuthu like?02:12
eaonit's like ... cool ... you know :)02:13
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kentjunme, well, its sort of like a fully working GNU/Linux distribution. You get a working desktop thats easy to use.02:13
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junmecan I use debain apt?02:17
Zindarjunme: na.. but you can use ubuntu apt :)02:18
Zindarjunme: ubuntu IS debian... but preconfigured with gnome and other sane stuff02:18
junmecan I use kde02:19
Zindarjunme: unsupported but yeah02:20
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eaonyou're maybe better off with getting a kde based desktop distro02:23
__danieleaon, why should junme? ubuntu ROCKS hard - it's not just gnome that makes it rock02:24
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dyneaon: i wouldn't say kde is clearly more popular02:26
dyn90% of my linux users friends prefer gnome (myself included), for example02:26
dynand we talk about ~20 guys at least02:26
ZindarI know ONE person who runs kde02:27
eaonhey i'm not pro-kde :)02:27
Zindarand about 300 that runs gnome02:27
Zindarso.. :)02:27
sikkhyou make me feel bad for running KDE02:28
dynlol sikkh :)02:28
__danielwhere do i make a "package from debian sid"-request?02:28
sikkhI used to run GNOME but since one year I run KDE only02:31
sikkhKontact&Konqueror is simply too good :P02:31
Zindar__daniel: ubuntu-users I think...02:31
Zindar__daniel: not sure though...02:31
Zindar__daniel: and this close to release you are on your own I'd think02:31
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dynhow close?02:31
Zindardyn: tomorrow02:31
__danielZindar, i wouldn't care if they add it to universe in 2 weeks :-)02:31
Zindar__daniel: try half a year02:31
Zindar__daniel: before next release :)02:31
TheMusoWhat I have done with packages from Debian that I have wanted, I have connected to a Debian source mirror, grabbed the source, and rebuilt on Ubuntu.02:31
dynZindar: woot! :)02:31
__danielTheMuso, that's what i did, too02:31
ZindarTheMuso: that's the best was I think02:31
brosenOf course, in half a year we'll have Gnome 2.10 as well :-)02:31
Zindardyn: or run hoary universe when it comes02:31
ZindarI belive that warty universe will be frozen except for some bugfixes if someone creates them02:31
dyna smart move02:32
sikkhbtw why KDE is not among "supported" apps?02:35
sikkhmaintaining it along with GNOME would be too much burden?02:35
dynsikkh: see the faq02:35
dynit's coming02:35
dynbut not in the focus atm02:35
TheMusoI believe there are too many KDE centered distros.02:35
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sikkhTheMuso heh02:36
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stvnhi is there a known issue with the warty-rc installer iso and cdrdao 1.1.9?02:39
TheMusoHave you checked bugzilla?02:40
dynoh well, i wanted to say already - sdl got some problems out of the box02:40
dynhangs frozen-bubble and such02:40
dynbut that was with sounder9 i believe02:40
stvnTheMuso: nope, didn't spot bugzilla yet, searching now02:40
stvnhm can't find any bug related to the iso/cdrdao02:43
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dynwhat a quit message ;)02:44
Kamionwhy do people still use timebombed shareware when perfectly good free software equivalents are available?02:44
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TheMusoHey mrjive 02:46
NgKamion: not everyone has freshmeat built into their psyche yet ;)02:46
mrjivehi TheMuso02:46
KamionNg: I haven't even looked at freshmeat since about 199902:47
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dgtlhi everyone02:47
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NgKamion: my point was meant to be something along the lines of people not knowing where to find good software, or knowing what is good when they get there, so they go for something that works, now ;)02:47
TheMusoThat is true as well.02:47
dgtli have some problems ... my system tries to synchronize via ntp before my pcmcia wireless card is activated... anyone know a workaround?02:48
NgKamion: I use debian/ubuntu and freshmeat still lists a boatload more softwrae than either of them :)02:48
KamionNg: the former are good filters for the stuff that's at least minimally worthwhile02:48
TheMusodgtl: The best sollution is to move the startup position for the ntp script after the PCMCIA startup.02:48
dgtlok... which files is involved?02:49
NgKamion: nonsense, they let me package stuff, the worthwhile filters are clearly broken ;)02:49
Kamionlook in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d02:49
dgtlok thanks02:49
KamionNg: I did say "minimally" :)02:49
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TheMusoThat is actually quite nasty. PCMCIa is brought up after one moves into multi-user mode, I.E runlevel 2. The NTP and networking stuff happens in single user mode. This is actually worth taking up with the devs.02:52
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dgtlyeah i agree02:52
Kamionthere's already a bug about it I think; if there isn't, please file one02:53
Kamionthere's probably a chicken-and-egg problem of some kind02:53
Kamionnetworking has to come up early02:53
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agenteohi, I've got a problem installing ubuntu. I've selected 4 partitions / (100mb) /usr (~2GB) /var (~2GB) /home (~2GB) /tmp(500MB) while I was installing I've seen no space left on device... after the login df tells / is full...02:54
kentIs there some way to make the initscript print the [ok]  in colors like the Fedora/Redhat-way?02:54
Treenaksagenteo: well, maybe / is full?02:54
Kamion100MB is probably indeed slightly too small for /.02:54
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mrjiveciao Scognito02:54
mrjiveagenteo, :)02:55
Kamionkent: not in a way that persists across upgrades, at the moment.02:55
agenteoKamion: is it? It was enough with debian sid... :-\02:55
Kamionagenteo: an Ubuntu default install is bigger than a Debian default install02:55
Scognitociao mrjive :D02:55
mrjiveagenteo, actually 100mb are not so much... you could have been more generous :P02:56
Kamionagenteo: we have more kernel modules and we install some firmware in /lib by default, which might be enough to push it over the edge02:56
dgtlcan i change the background color behind the splash?02:56
agenteoso how big should be the / partition for ubuntu?02:56
Scognitohow exactly do i have to install to get nvidia modules working on ubuntu?02:56
Scognitoi use kernel 2.7.x optimized for i68602:56
Kamionagenteo: do you really need separate / and /usr? most people don't, these days02:57
kentScognito, read the documentation on Ubuntus homepage?02:57
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agenteoKamion: it's a legacy from debian and I like it... maybe it's unuseful in some cases02:59
TreenaksScognito: kernel 2.7.x ? impressive03:00
Kamionagenteo: doing an install now to test, I'll let you know03:01
dynagenteo: using LVM2 is the best of both worlds imho03:01
Kamionagenteo: I don't think that's the Debian default now either03:01
Kamionnope, Debian defaults to / and swap03:01
Zindarhaving separate partitions is just wrong... separate LV's is great though03:02
dynunfortunately LVM2 aint too popular/well known imho03:03
dynin spite of it's plain easy to use03:03
KamionI'm hoping the next version of the installer will have much smoother LVM support03:04
Kamionwe may even be able to default to it on new installations03:04
Kamionalthough ext3 isn't shrinkable so that might be hard03:04
agenteoif you have 20GB or something like that of /, when something go wrong? Do you loose the system?03:04
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Kamionagenteo: that could easily happen to your / or /usr or /var and you'd still be mostly hosed; you have backups for that sort of thing?03:05
dynagenteo: it's more geek to partition your system properly ;P (it allows for fine tuned partition mount options, using different filesystems for different uses, easier backup, etc)03:05
Kamionin practice that's vanishingly rare03:05
ZindarKamion: ext3 is shrinkable.. used to anyway03:05
ScognitoTreenaks, ahhaha sorry i woke up 5 minutes ago :D03:05
ZindarKamion: reiserfs/xfs/jfs isn't 03:05
KamionZindar: you're right about ext3, sorry03:05
Kamionalthough only offline03:06
KamionZindar: I thought reiserfs was03:06
ZindarKamion: only grow:able03:06
ZindarKamion: unless that's changed in the last two years :)03:06
Kamionhttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2003-07/msg00020.html mentions reiserfs shrinking03:06
Kamionas does http://www.namesys.com/resize_reiserfs.html03:07
Zindaralright.. like I said.. two years since I checked03:07
Scognitokent, it is not in the faq/tutorial/how-to03:08
sabdfldoes namesys acknowledge the data loss issues with reiser that elmo's so fond of?03:09
danielssabdfl: not really, no03:09
danielssabdfl: only really with patches03:09
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stvnanyone tried burning the warty rc image with cdrdao? I can't get it working03:12
thullyHave they made the infamous artwork changes in the daily build yet?03:12
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Kamionthully: not yet03:13
TheMusostvn: Why not use cdrecord?03:13
mirak_hi room, good morning03:13
thullywill they be ready for the release?03:13
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Kamionthully: they are a release blocker03:13
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Kamion(at least, AIUI)03:13
thullymeaning the release waits for the artwork change?03:13
stvnTheMuso: cdrecord complains at being run at a 2.6.8 kernel - it doesn't work03:13
DXTguys, how can i add categories to the gnome applications menu?03:13
Kamionthully: it'll happen sometime today I think, I don't think the release should actually have to wait03:14
Treenaksstvn: dev=/dev/whereeveryourcdromi03:14
TheMusostvn: Were you trying using the SCSI emulation layer or the ATAPI support?03:14
mirak_dxt, right click, or there is a munu under "computer-system config"03:14
thullyhow do you enable software suspend in the kernel while retaining Ubuntu customizations and wi-fi drivers?03:14
stvnTheMuso: er, how can I find out?03:15
TheMusostvn: What command are you trying to use with cdrecord?03:15
thullywhat's the new artwork going to be?  the artwork from the preview release?03:15
sabdflthully: no, packages will be available shortly for preview03:15
thullydoes it have people, or just generic Ubuntu logos03:16
stvnTheMuso: cdrecord -scanbus to see where my device is, but it gives a long warning message about unsettled issues on 2.5+ kernels03:16
stvnTheMuso: it's a debian system, cdrdao until recently had no problem burning isos03:16
rjekHow do you get cdrdao to write ISO images?  That's something I never really worked out.03:17
DXTanyone else knows how to add categories to the menu? (such as Games, Internet and so on.. I want to add "Development")03:17
Kamionagenteo: this freshly installed Ubuntu/amd64 system with separate /, /usr, /home, /var has about 125MB used in /.03:18
ZindarDXT: programming is there if you have anything that matches that03:18
stvnhm, right using cdrecord seems to work afterall03:19
DXTZindar, I didn't get it..03:19
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ZindarDXT: then you have no program that fits that category :)03:20
ZindarDXT: in general.. ctrl-f2 applications:///03:21
ZindarDXT: do whatever you like03:21
ZindarDXT: killall gnome-panel03:21
ZindarDXT: and you should have it03:21
DXTthank you03:21
Kamionalt-f2 maybe?03:23
DXTthats actually search but nvm03:23
DXTi installed anjuta and now i see it ;)03:23
DXTbtw, how can i get rid of the mounted drives icons on the desktop?03:23
Zindarunmount them?03:23
DXTsmarty pants03:23
DXTi dont want to unmount them, i just want to see them on "Computer" and not on my desktop03:24
Kamion/apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible no in gconf-editor03:24
janlDXT: in gconf, /apps/nautilus/desktop/volmues_visible03:24
Kamionthere might be a less registry-ish way to do it ...03:24
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DXTthat's fine thank you :)03:24
Zindaractually.. since ubuntu works with a "clean" desktop... WHY isn't that default?03:25
KamionZindar: it was a compromise; if you don't put the icons on the desktop, there's no discoverable way to cleanly unmount those filesystems03:25
ZindarKamion: alright...03:26
KamionZindar: we'll probably be doing something better for hoary, although I'm not familiar with the details03:26
Ngit's nice and uncluttered, but it could at least do with the Trash icon03:26
NgI couldn't actually find that anywhere ;)03:26
DXTthat reminds me03:27
spivI think the plan is to show removable volumes in the notification area, or something like it, on the panel.03:27
DXThow can i get it to show on the desktop? :X03:27
DXTthe trash icon03:27
Ngit'll be in the same place as the gconf stuff just now, I expect03:27
Ng /apps/nautilus/desktop/ or thereabouts03:27
DXTon to the registry! :] 03:27
DXTno chance it can be "trash_icon_visible"? :P03:29
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Zindarno.. that sounds wrong... can't be it :)03:29
junmedo you have a torrent?03:33
kentWhy not put mounted and mountable drives in the Computer menu on the panel? Make Disks into a submenu and put the drives there? That would be nice. :)03:33
brosenI have a 1GHz athlon. Will the k7 kernel give me any noticeable benefits when viewing movies on dvd etc?03:33
TheMusobrosen: Not as much as ensuring your drive is using DMA mode will.03:34
Kamionkent: discoverability; people need to know how to unmount their removable devices without being intimately familiar with our menu system03:35
brosenTheMuso: Thanks, I was trying to think of a reason not to go with the default kernel ;-)03:36
brosenI should probably have asked, "why should I use the k7 kernel?"03:39
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Mithrandirbrosen: it's a bit faster, you might notice it or not, it shouldn't harm in any case.03:39
mrjivehi pitti03:40
pittiHi mrjive03:40
brosenMithrandir: Is it selectable on installation? Do I just pass an option? Hm, this must be somewhere on the faq...03:41
Mithrandirbrosen: it should be autodetected, or you can install it using synaptic afterwards.03:41
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brosenMithrandir: Thanks for the help .-)03:42
Mithrandirbrosen: happy to help :)03:42
NoodlesArse. Back to the drawing board.03:43
NoodlesSorry. ww.03:43
Kamionbrosen: the k7 kernel isn't autodetected because it isn't on the CD; unless you're doing a netboot install, you'll have to install it afterwards03:44
mrjivei noticed, on two machines with nvidia vga cards, that xfree86 uses 800x600 at 24 while it could use 1024x768 at 16 bit. Don' you think the latter would be a better default?03:45
pittimrjive: sounds like a matter of preference03:45
pittimrjive: can you switch the mode in the Gnome menu?03:46
pittimrjive: i. e. did the installation detect the 1024 mode?03:46
brosenKamion: Thanks for the heads up.03:46
mrjivepitti, mo, because of the 24/16 bit03:46
mrjivepitti, actully if i remember well, it was 640x48003:47
mrjivepitti, the only resolution mentioned is 640x480 (or 800x600 if i'm wrong now)03:48
pittimrjive: hmm, it would be nice if higher resolutions with less colors would be displayed, too03:48
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ZindarI don't think you can change colordepth on the fly in xfree03:49
mrjivepitti, yes03:49
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pittiZindar: right, but it should be possible to configure it for next booting03:49
mrjivepitti, I think only supported resolution with the default depth are displayed03:49
Zindarpitti: that's not how that works.. that only ... see mrjive's answer03:50
pittihmm, okay03:50
bur[n] erhas anyone used "wxMusic" or "GTorrentViewer" ??03:51
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abstrato_generalwasn't Ubuntu due today?03:52
abstrato_generalI mean, the official release.03:52
Mithrandirnope, tomorrow.03:53
abstrato_generalis it on schedule?03:53
Kamionabstrato_general: so far03:53
abstrato_generalI mean, is it likely that they'll be able to meet the deadline?03:53
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mirak_-what is the lightest of lightest window managers???04:07
Ngevilwm ;)04:07
mirak_-ng, that is based off of icewm???04:07
Ngit's based off pure evil ;)04:07
sikkhtwm? :)04:07
mirak_-ng, lol04:07
Ngit draws a 1 pixel border around the windows and you use the keyboard to talk to it ;)04:07
mirak_-ng, hmmmmm04:08
Ngabove that, probably ion I guess04:08
mirak_-ng, ion scares me04:08
spivmirak_-: ratpoison, ion :)04:08
joolzdon't know them, but google did :)04:09
spivfluxbox is pretty lightweight, I think, and not quite as extreme as ion...04:09
spivOh, and pwm.04:09
mirak_-thank you all04:09
mirak_-I have decided........04:09
joolzmirak_-: let me guess... screen?04:10
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joolzthere it's listed as a window manager04:10
joolzwhy not actually?04:10
dellaI upgraded from sarge, everything went more or less fine04:10
Zindarwell.. it manages windows....04:10
dellabut now portmap refuses to work04:10
mirak_-joolz, thnx04:11
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joolzmirak_-: didn't you know it? it's a must, even if you use another wm04:11
joemyou can find some pretty good guides to using screen as a powerful wm04:11
dellai get errors like Oct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: last server has exited04:11
dellaOct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems04:11
dellawhen I try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start04:12
aitrusdella: check out /etc/defaults/portmap and make sure it isn't bound to localhost04:12
della/etc/defaults/portmap doesn't exist04:12
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aitrusand you have portmap isntlaled?04:13
dellamaybe I still have some legacy sarge package04:13
dellathat has a version number higher than ubuntu04:13
Ngslightly off topic, but what does one do to repair a slightly knackered fat partition?04:14
Ngsay, after you unplug a USB drive while rsyncing lots of stuff to it ;(04:14
spivNg: There's a fsck.vfat, but I'd probably backup the entire partition with dd first, just in case.04:14
Ngtbh I was seriously considering vaping it and putting ext3 on so this can't happen quite so easily ;)04:15
dellawhat does "dpkg -S /etc/defaults/portmap" do to you?04:15
Ngdpkg: /etc/defaults/portmap not found.04:15
Ngis that especially surprising?04:16
dellaaitrus said that it's installed by portmap04:16
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Ngdella: /etc/default/portmap not defaults :)04:16
dellaNg: argh04:17
dellaok, thanks, it listens only on localhost04:17
joolzi think i know, but just to be sure: is it safe to remove ubuntu-desktop?04:17
dellabut I think it's not a good thing, since it breaks existing installations04:17
joolzdella: in which way?04:18
Ngjoolz: should be, afair that's just a metapackage. you can do a "dpkg -L ubuntu-desktop" if you want to see if it has any important files in it (if any)04:18
spivjoolz: it's only a task, so yes.04:18
lamontubuntu-desktop is nothing but a copyright file and a boatload of depends.04:18
Ngit does mean you won't get new ddesktop packages automatically installed though04:18
dellajoolz: in sarge /etc/default/portmap didn't exist04:18
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dellaso people coming from sarge (and, I guess, debian 3.0)04:19
joolzdella: sorry, that was a different subject :)04:19
abstrato_generalit's not much of a problem changing kernels in Ubuntu, is it?04:19
lamontbut future upgrades might miss new desktop programs if ubuntu-desktop is removed..04:19
joolzthe problem is that a lot of stuff i don't need depends on ubuntu-desktop04:19
joolzlike wvdial (why on earth is that?)04:20
lamontnothing depends: ubuntu-desktop04:20
lamontubuntu-desktop is a task that depends on everything in the desktop seed04:21
joolzlamont: sorry, i don't eally understand that04:21
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UBMikejoolz, u can remove ubuntu-desktop and leave wvdial I think, but not the other way around.04:22
lamontjoolz: if you apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then you can remove wvdial (that is to say, if you remove wvdial, it will remove ubuntu-desktop)04:22
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joolzUBMike: i know, but i don't understand why one would create a package that doesn't do anything itself, but only has dependencies pointing to it.04:23
lamontand ubuntu-desktop is nothing more than a "package" of dependencies to pull in all of the "desktop" stuff04:23
lamontit has no dependencies pointing to it, rather they point from it.04:23
UBMikejoolz, listen to lamont04:23
joolzUBMike: sure :)04:24
lamontand the purpose is so that you can say 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' instead of apt-get install <long and not necessarily constant over time list of packages>'04:24
joolzlamont: ok, but what's the point?04:24
joolzlamont: ah! that makes sense04:24
lamontonce it's installed, it can safely be removed.04:24
abstrato_generallamont: what, you have a terminal with voice recognition? :-)04:24
UBMikelamont rocks, joolz. be nice to him :)04:24
lamonthowever, if the desktop list adds new packages later, you might not get them04:24
joolzlamont: i'll worry about that then :)04:25
lamontabstrato_general: nah, just anticipating questions04:25
joolzi guess it's the same for ubuntu-base?04:25
lamontjoolz: and removing it will free up several kilobytes of disk space.04:25
joolzgreat, thanks04:25
abstrato_generalI wish there was a simple way to have voice recognition in a terminal.04:25
joolzabstrato_general: shout really loud! :)04:25
lamontabstrato_general: I talk too much already, frequently to the computer.04:25
lamontwhat I really want is 'keyboard focus follows mind;04:26
joolzwhat i would like is voice recognition in a user :)04:26
abstrato_generalWell, use focus-follows-mouse. You quickly get used to it.04:26
abstrato_generalI never ever click with my mouse, I just move it around :)04:26
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Android16Lots of Ubuntu fans here05:06
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Android16in which file do you store static routes ?05:07
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ddaaI configured postfix with an mail address (ddaa.net) which is a different machine than my workstation (nemesis.xlii.org) so messages sent with mail have a from header which says @ddaa.net. But the consequence is that mail to local users (including mail to root) is routed by ddaa.net instead of being delivered locally.05:15
ddaaWhat's the way to have a modified From header for mail sent by users, while without preventing local delivery of mail for local users?05:17
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danielsconfigure your MUA to set the right From header instead05:19
ddaadaniels: said mua is arch-submit-merge and as you know it has no such option.05:20
danielsi don't, unfortunately05:21
danielsbut I suppose I do now05:21
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danielsdoesn't it just use mail(1)?05:21
ddaaThough maybe it could fix it somehow. But I'd prefer a way to alter the default From header used by mail(1)05:21
JStrikeNo wvdial in ubuntu. Theres a brainfart if I ever saw one. Has this been fixed in newer releases? Mine is a bit old 05:21
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ZombJStrike: what is wrong with chat? (used by default)05:22
danielsJStrike: we use pppd/pppconfig per default; wvdial is available through universe.05:23
JStrikeZomb: The only way I saw tp connect was through the network interface app, which tells you it needs wvdial05:23
JStrikedaniels : Is there a different dialer I didn't see?05:24
danielsJStrike: run 'sudo pppconfig'05:24
JStrikemmm....I tried sudo /sbin/ifup ppp005:25
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JStrikedaniels : Ubuntu really should get their gui apps to use the correct utility05:25
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Android16my Ubuntu has wvdial05:27
JStrikeAnd the IO errors when copying from CD. Either in Nautilus or using cp. Are these errors fixed?05:27
JStrikeAndroid16 : I have been downloading my Ubuntu for the last week or two, so mine is a bit old05:27
JStrikeBut I cant get online to update it :-)05:28
danielsJStrike: yes, we're going to fix that for our next release.  bear in mind this is the first release we've ever done.05:28
danielsJStrike: and IO errors are a result of having a dodgy CD, basically.  not Ubuntu'fs fault.05:28
Android16I like it05:28
JStrikedaniels : Tried with 3 cd's05:28
Android16never seen any Linux dist this nice05:28
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danielsmirak_-: yeah05:28
plasmoyep ubuntu is nice :)05:29
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Android16been runign it 4 a week now , instead of Windows XP05:29
danielsJStrike: possibly the CD drive.  IO error means 'crap, I couldn't read from this part of the CD, the drive isn't letting me'05:29
stvnw00t got ubuntu installed :)05:29
mirak_-daniels, thank you ....your team saves my linux life :)_05:29
JStrikedaniels : It changes every time I try. It will read 30mb, then next time 120mb, etc05:29
danielsmirak_-: no worries :)05:30
danielsJStrike: possibly a bad drive, then.05:30
Android16even got my Palm to sync with it the other day 05:30
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Android16took my like 3 minutes to install a network printer05:30
JStrikeBut btw, other than the wvdial thing, really amazing distro. Finally got rid of the pile of crap that is Suse 9.105:31
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JStrikeBut with jdub at the helm, how could it not be great05:31
plasmolol same here. had suse 9.1 before. bloated crap :|05:31
Mitarioanyone seen mvo_?05:31
mirak_-what is mvo?05:31
JStrikeAnd anything sabdfl touches is great05:31
Mitariomichael vogt :)05:32
Keybukwho left jdub at the helm?  he's disqualified for drink-coding05:32
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JStrikeOk. Let me try this with pppconfig. Cheers05:32
ddaaokay, another 05:33
danielsKeybuk: he's probably asleep05:33
danielsKeybuk: but Ubuntu is most certainly *not* powered by malibu and Coke05:34
ddaaWhat's the way to set environment variables for all the login methods?05:34
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Keybukdaniels: "Cooper's Inside" ?05:34
danielsKeybuk: ditch the apostrophe and you're there :)05:34
stvnhm, why does keeping a key pressed not work? eg. arrow-keys to scroll down?05:34
Keybukstvn: xset r on05:34
Keybukddaa: there isn't one at the moment05:35
ddaaKeybuk: so the way is to set a .xsession for graphical logins and a .bash_profile 05:37
ddaafor shell logins?05:37
stvnaw, ubuntu didn't properly recognise my monitor :(05:37
Keybukddaa: pretty much05:37
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Android16what about /etc/profile ?05:37
ddaaKeybuk: that's already a planned hoary feature or should I file it?05:37
Keybukddaa: what environment variables do your graphical things need?05:38
ddaaI'd love to PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH and REPLY_TO=david@allouche.net05:39
ddaathough maybe I won't need reply-to after reading the mailx manual05:39
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Kamionddaa: uncomment the PATH bit in .bashrc, uncomment the bit in .bash_profile that sources .bashrc05:41
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Kamionddaa: that should be sufficient05:41
gerardvschipxi just downloaded ubuntu05:41
gerardvschipxand i'm stuck05:41
gerardvschipxa friend told me to come and look here05:41
ddaaKamion: i want it to be set at the graphical login, not in every shell that is started05:41
Android16got the newest apache web server and mysql running on ubuntu05:41
Kamionddaa: then get .xsession to source .bashrc too05:42
gerardvschipxCan Anyone help?05:42
Kamionddaa: (with suitable guards in .bashrc for interactivity etc.)05:42
Nggerardvschipx: maybe, what's the problem?05:42
mirak_-gerardvschipx, what is the problem???05:42
gerardvschipxI get failed to install yaboot05:42
ddaaKamion: yeah... I used to have some stuff in .bash_profire and .xse05:42
mirak_-gerardvschipx, beyond me,.............im out05:42
gerardvschipxI'm installing on an external pocket drive connected to my Powerbook05:42
Keybukddaa: though why does the graphical stuff need that?  *confused*05:43
gerardvschipxLol, thanks mirak05:43
Kamiongerardvschipx: yaboot doesn't know how to find the openfirmware path to firewire drives at the moment, I'm afraid05:43
ddaaKeybuk: for example, for mini-commander, application launcher, emacs, and probably other.05:43
gerardvschipxthank you05:43
mirak_-gerardvschipx, that is a bummer05:43
Keybukddaa: ah, the PATH, duh; missed that, sorry :p05:43
Kamiongerardvschipx: there's a bug open about it, I need to find time to look at it05:43
gerardvschipxthat explains why it thinks its a scsi drive05:44
gerardvschipxok, now i know what to do05:44
Kamiongerardvschipx: I think it is, on some levels ...05:44
mirak_-kamion=dev as well?05:44
gerardvschipxcopy my interl drive to external and stick ubuntu on my internal drive!05:44
Kamionmirak_-: yes05:44
Kamiongerardvschipx: that's certainly another option :-)05:44
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Nga gnome-look-a-like firefox theme05:47
mirak_-ng, ooooh I like it05:47
Ngsince epiphany is broken six ways from sunday, firefox with that theme is the nearest alternative ;)05:47
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mirak_-there is a link to thunderbirs icons on that page as well05:48
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Ngmirak_-: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=6274905:50
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mirak_-yeah...thats what I am talking about05:51
superted_didn't work with my ubuntu firefox05:51
mirak_-there is a link to that on the first page you mentioned05:51
Ngsuperted_: doh. I'm on a fedora box at work right now and it worked.05:52
Ngmaybe the one in ubuntu is older05:52
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stvnhm, the mouse appears to be slow, if I click and drag it starts dragging a few pixels from the original position, anooying for resizing windows05:52
superted_ubuntu has got 9.305:52
superted_and the theme's says they require firefox 0.1005:52
mirak_-superted, ubuntu used .9 , that themes requires 1.0 prl05:52
superted_whatevery they mean by that05:52
mirak_-there you go05:53
mirak_-1.0 is a prieview.....it isnt final05:53
mirak_-I believe the ubuntu devs found it too buggy, and dis-cluded it (hehe, is that a word?)05:53
Keybukyeah, PR1 (0.10) was buggy as hell so we fell back to 0.9.305:54
Ngfair enough05:55
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Ngwell, ignore everything I said in the last 20 mintues ;)05:55
mirak_-keybuk, if I install pr1, can/will it over write the 9.3 version? and will my app links still work...err...icons05:55
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mirak_-keybuk, as apossed to installing it in /home05:55
Keybukmirak_-: only if you build a package for it?05:56
mirak_-keyuk, is that hard......i cant just DL the installer from mozilla, and sent it to the right DIR?05:56
mirak_-but learning05:57
merriammirak_-: yes, you can install another version of mozilla, the mozilla.org way05:57
superted_why will epi be broken in six ways from sunday?05:57
Keybukmirak_-: no, when you do an update if there any bug fixes it'll be overwritten again05:58
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Keybukyou'd have to install it elsewhere and have both the 0.9.3 from Ubuntu installed and the installation you do05:58
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CraHanhi, something I discovered just the other day05:59
mirak_-keybuk, ok...fair enough, if ubuntu decides that pr1 is ready, or a new version for that matter, and puts it in the repository...will it then overwrite??05:59
mirak_-keybuk, if I apt-get it that is?06:00
CraHanin gnome, when inserting a cd it doesn't get automounted and shown on the desktop, but when I install debians gnome-volume-manager deb instead of ubuntus, it works fine06:00
CraHanis gnome-volume-manager broken in ubuntu?  Cause I doublechecked and only the debian version works here06:00
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pittiCraHan: do you use an USB CD-ROM?06:01
Keybukmirak_-: yes, but we've frozen warty.  PR1 will not reach it06:01
CraHanpitti: no the builtin cdrom06:01
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pittiCraHan: so the CD-ROM is not in /etc/fstab?06:01
CraHanalso, lshal shows all the devices recognized (even a usb stick) but gnome-volume-manager doesn't mount any of them06:01
CraHanpitti: yes it is06:02
mirak_-keybuk, I understand that, I am just trying to understand how things work, thank you for your time06:02
pittiCraHan: pmount /dev/whatever fails, I guess06:02
stvneh? ubuntu has no support for mp3?06:02
CraHanpitti: when I click on the cdrom icon in nautilus; it'll mount it06:02
CraHanit just doesn't mount it on inserting a cdrom06:02
pittiCraHan: oh, even with the Ubuntu g-v-m package?06:02
CraHanpitti: yes06:02
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pittiCraHan: ah, I know what could be wrong06:02
CraHang-v-m from ubuntu doesn't work at all06:02
CraHang-v-m from debian unstable at least automounts cdroms06:03
CraHanbut no usb stick though06:03
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pittiCraHan: can you please look in device manager (or lshal) whether media_check_enabled is true for the CD-ROM?06:03
CraHanand I have fstab-sync linked in /etc/hal/device.d06:03
Despairstvn: install libmad006:03
CraHanok lemme check06:03
pittiCraHan: we have a similar bug https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226506:04
CraHanstorage.media_check_enabled is set to 1 (0x1)06:04
CraHanof course I have the g-v-m from debian installed now06:05
CraHanwould that make a difference? does g-v-m change hal related settings?06:05
sjoerdCraHan: nope06:05
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stvnDespair: it is installed, rhythmbox is the one complaining06:06
sjoerdCraHan: on your debian system did you call the fstab-sync symlink, fstab-sync or fstab-sync.hal?06:06
Despairstvn: install gstreamer0.8-mad, maybe?06:06
CraHanwith the .hal extension06:06
sjoerdCraHan: and did items appear in your fstab ?06:06
sjoerdwhen plugging in something06:07
pittiCraHan: plese use the Ubuntu version of g-v-m and check again06:07
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pittiCraHan: we have a meeting now, can you please return to me in about an hour?06:07
CraHanat least not the usb cardreader and the flashcard06:07
CraHanyeha sure I'll be here06:07
CraHanjust gimme a headsup when you're back06:07
CraHanI'll install the ubuntu g-v-m06:07
CraHanso I can trace this 06:08
mirak_what is g-v-m???06:08
sjoerdCraHan: if your back on your debian system, check if hal-device-manager shows your device correctly..06:08
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CraHansjoerd: it's ubuntu though:)06:09
CraHanI just took the package from debian unstable and installed it on ubuntu06:09
CraHanmirak_: np06:09
sjoerdCraHan: oh you did fstab-sync on ubuntu ?06:09
CraHanyeah I made the link on ubuntu06:10
sjoerdok :)06:10
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PenguinBoyhey guys!06:10
CraHan/etc/hal/device.d/fstab-sync.hal -> /usr/sbin/fstab-sync06:10
stvnDespair: ah, gstreamer-mad is universe, found it andit works06:10
sjoerdCraHan: don't :) 06:10
mirak_hey despiar,06:10
CraHanok link removed06:10
mirak_despair, ET worked.......ok.......bit ore ram and ill be good to go06:11
CraHanonly have the 40-hal-hotplug in there now and the fstab-update.hal file06:11
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Despairmirak_: good06:11
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JStrikeOk. Managed to get connected via pppconfig and pon 06:12
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JStrikedaniels : I am trying from my dvd drive, and I get the same I/O errors when trying to copy that I had with my cd-rw drive06:13
mirak_jstrike, maybe the disk is dirty06:13
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JStrikeI have tried multiple disks06:14
mirak_jstrike, 0o0....sorry then06:14
mirak_jstrike, did you burn them all yourself????06:14
stvnhuh, the clock is running at a wrong speed, at least the difference between this computer and other's is increasing06:15
JStrikemirak_ : Yes. 06:15
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mirak_jstrike, maybe try burning at a slower speed06:15
mirak_jstrike, do like a 4x or a 8x burn06:15
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JStrikemirak_ : Too late. That had all the stuff from when I formatted my Suse installation 06:15
JStrikemirak_ : Suse could see it fine btw06:15
mirak_jstrike, but seeing a disk, and being able to read every bit of data are different animals06:16
JStrikemirak_ : It could read it06:17
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mirak_jstrike, ooo, it installed from that disk before?06:17
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JStrikeIt could read the the tar.bz2 file on it before (On suse )06:18
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s7sHow can i get 'Rythmbox 0.8.5' to play my mp3-files?06:18
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mirak_jstrike, idk then, all I can think of to do is burn at a slower speed, or grab a new .iso, maybe something went bad on the DL06:19
mirak_jstrike, idk then, the slower speed burn usually works for me06:19
stvns7s: install gstreamer-mad06:19
s7s#stvn Ok thanks :)06:20
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JStrikemirak_ : It is not the ubuntu cd that wont read. I installed ubuntu fine. It that I cant read *any* cd's now 06:21
mirak_jstrike, wow....do I feel like an idiot06:21
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Tzalidarweii finally i got time to install ubuntu again :)06:22
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JStrikeNote that this is not an up to date ubuntu installation. It took me a couple of weeks to download it, so I assume there have been many packages updated06:22
JStrikeBut I would like to find out if there is a specific package  that fixes this06:23
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mirak_jstrike, sudo apt-get update ....then.....sudo apt-get upgrade.......see if that fixes it06:24
Despairmirak_: slow connect, he doesn't want to upgrade everything right now if he can avoid it.06:24
guptangdm login screen re-draws and jitters while moving mouse, is this a bug with ubuntu06:24
mirak_despair, ohh.............sorry06:24
mirak_you too then jstrike,06:25
JStrikeThat is a tad too expensive to do right now, but I am in quite a situation, since one of the cd's has all my notes for my exam tommorrow06:25
mirak_jstrike, I see...........hmm06:25
bur[n] eranyone know why rhythmbox would work with kde, but not gnome... with gnome it stops playing the song and starts skipping the same part over and over and over forever06:26
ggibur[n] er: You don't have gstreamer set to use aRts output, do you?06:26
JStrikeOn another note, is there a way to get esd to use alsa and not oss emulation. Oss emulation is very crackly on my card for some reason06:27
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ggiJStrike: I get the same thing with my card. What kind is yours?06:27
C2H5OHone question, is there any restrictions on custom kernel configuration?06:27
jimiggi : where is located sound conf in gnome? for gstreamer for ex06:27
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ggijimi: They didn't put it in the menu, but you can access it by running 'gstreamer-properties'.06:28
jimioh ok, thanx06:28
JStrikeggi : cs428106:29
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ggiJStrike: SiS 7012 here. Curious.06:29
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JStrikehrm....anyone know how to use dd?06:32
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mosesJStrike: what do you want to know?06:33
stvnanyone has an idea why my computer clock is too slow in ubuntu, whereas it works in debian06:34
JStrikeMaybe dd will let me retrieve my contents on my cds06:34
JStrikemoses : Could dd help?06:34
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mosesJStrike: you can make an iso from you cd with dd06:34
Despairstvn: power saving enabled in ubuntu, so it's getting dropped in clock. does running a cpu-intensive app make it pop back up to normal?06:34
ggistvn: How slow is it?06:35
stvnDespair: i have a amd k6, without powersafe (iirc)06:35
mosesJStrike: dd if=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 of=/path/to/file.iso06:35
mosesI am not sure about the path, just try06:36
stvnggi: i get a diff of 35 secs in about 1506:36
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Despairstvn: oh, time, not cpu freq. hm. probably a kernel bug. :/06:37
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ggistvn: Well, if Despair's thing doesn't work, you could try disabling ntp.06:37
Despairstvn: I've seen mentions of that on lkml recently06:37
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lucas_for some reason, my installation fails and I only have a basic system (I was using an old preview release CD, so it's not relevant). Is there way to install automatically all software that should have been installed by the installer ?06:38
tsenghm, do we have anything that can play mpg4?06:38
mosesstvn: I had the same problem, but I do not know where the problem was, I changed my kernel config06:38
JStrikemoses : Thanks. Trying that now06:38
tsengtotem-xine isnt.06:38
stvnggi, hm i doubt ntp is the problem06:38
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mosesstvn: play a bit with the timer options in the kernel06:38
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Tzalidargah now i'm going crazy, i have 2 soundcards and i want to set my second soundcard as default06:40
ggistvn: It may be worth a try. I've seen similar problems blamed on ntp.06:40
Tzalidari've been playing around with .asoundrc for a while06:40
stvnmoses: hm, kernel compiling on this machine takes ages :(06:40
mirak_despair, do you think the ppl with 2 sound cards can be helped my kinda the same thing we did yesterday?????06:41
Tzalidarthe funny thing is, that on my previous ubuntu install i got it working06:42
Tzalidarand it doesn't work adding the other sound card to /etc/hotplug/blacklist06:42
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s7sstvn Im a little confused. Found this page, but dunno what i need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/gstreamer-mad06:42
mirak_s7s, that gstramer-mad is in the repository06:43
stvns7s: I added the universe to synaptic, selected gstreamer-0.8-mad and gstreamer-mad restarted rhythmbox and I got mp3s playing06:43
mirak_s7s, err...universe I mean.....search synatic for it06:44
mirak_wow typing sucks06:44
mesutwhat is "daily cd images"  ??06:45
maximaustseng: grab some codecs from the mplayer site, install them with the Totem preferences gui, or just throw them in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons directory.06:45
stvnggi: seems like you were right, I think my clock is back to normal06:45
Despairmirak_: different solution. best fix is to set the options for the two sound devices to specify which one is the first sound card06:45
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Despairso if you have an emu10k1 and an intel8x0, you should have `options snd-emu10k1 index=0` and `options snd-intel8x0 index=1` in a file in /etc/modprobe.d, to have your sblive/audigy be the first soundcard.06:46
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mirak_despair, kk.....just saw a lot o ppl with the same question...and no fix, I assumed it could be done doing soemthing similar......sorry06:47
Despair(also will need to do `update-modules` and then remove & reload the sound modules)06:47
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mirak_is dist-upgrade the same as synaptic smart upgrade???06:51
ggimirak_: Yes.06:52
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mirak_ggi, thnx :)06:53
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TzalidarDespair, ill try that06:55
bronsonUbuntu really is excellent.  Most things work right out of the box.06:55
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newbieI've lost my ubuntu06:56
bronsonI'm converting my Gentoo and Debian boxes as soon as I can.06:56
stvnit's a pity mp3 doesn't work out of the box06:56
bronsonstvn: but it's real easy to get it working.06:57
newbiewith message kernel panic : VFS : can not mount root fs at unknown-block (0,0)06:57
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newbieI still can't get it working 06:57
stvnbronson: not really, you need to add the universe and add gstreamer-0.8-mad, wouldn't have known that06:57
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bronsonnewbie: this is at boot time?  Are you using lilo or grub?06:57
bronsonstvn: it's on the wiki.  True, you have to know to CHECK the wiki...  :)06:58
Tzalidardespair; do i need to reboot to make the changes?06:58
stvnbronson: heh06:58
Tzalidari put the lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base06:58
newbiebronson : GRUB06:58
bronsonnewbie: that's good at least.06:59
DespairTzalidar: or unload the sound drivers and reload. gnome-settings-daemon tends to hang onto sound, so it may be easier for you to just reboot.06:59
Tzalidarokay ;)06:59
bronsonSo, what were you doing?  It seems like you somehow fried your MBR or boot partition.06:59
newbieI have SuSE and ubuntu working 07:00
newbiefirst, it was SuSE my default boot07:01
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newbieI can choose ubuntu to boot and works perfectly07:01
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newbiethan, I change ubuntu as my default boot07:01
newbieNow I can only boot to SuSE, and ubuntu still lost, even after I changed back to SuSE as default boot07:02
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newbieI can read ubuntu partition from SuSE07:03
bronsonFirst check to make sure that the Ubuntu vmlinuz and initrd.img are OK and correctly referenced in menu.lst.07:03
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bronsonOnce you've ensured that that's all ok, try reinstalling the MBR.07:04
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bronsonIf that fails, then you're in for some real digging.07:04
TzalidarThis is too sweeet!!! :) It works perfectly now!!! :)07:04
newbietitle Ubuntu Linux07:04
newbie    root (hd0,1)07:04
newbie    kernel /boot/vmlinuz-
newbie    savedefault07:04
newbie    boot07:04
Tzalidarhmm another issue that i have is that i need to use 'xrandr -r 100' everytime i login to get 100hz07:05
newbiethat's my menu.lst for ubuntu07:05
Tzalidarpreviosly i added that line to xinitrc and to gdm rc07:05
Tzalidarbut none of it helped07:05
Tzalidarand i tried using the gui to set refresh rate07:05
Tzalidarand ran it as sudo07:05
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Tzalidarbut that didn't do the trick either :)07:06
bipolarI'm concidering switching from Debian Unstable w/ experimental gnome packages to Ubuntu. Warty has all the latest gnome packages, right?07:06
s7sI have found this Gstreamer:http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/56360/GStreamer.html. I am new at this, so i dont now how to install. The readme is a too cryptic.07:06
mirak_s7s, did you already get the version from universe?07:07
s7smirak_ Sorry, what is Univers07:08
mirak_s7s, open synaptic07:08
s7sFrom where?07:09
mirak_s7s, kk07:09
PenguinBoycomputer.....system configuration...synaptic07:09
s7smirak_ Found it :)07:09
mirak_s7s, what are the menu choices, I am on a xp box.......cant remember off hand07:09
mirak_penguinboy, just tell s7s how to enable universe in synaptic plz......i cant recall from memory..id have to be looking at it07:10
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s7smirak_ Theres alot of options07:11
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mirak_s7s, I mean like main choices07:11
mirak_s7s, I.e file...edit07:11
PenguinBoycklick on settingsd07:11
mirak_penquinboy, thnx07:11
mirak_s7s, listen to penquinboy07:12
PenguinBoycheck in front of deb-src http://archiveubuntu.com/ubuntu07:12
PenguinBoyclick on OK07:12
mirak_s7s, checking them all isnt harming anything, the other are just for secutrity , I think07:13
PenguinBoyI would check all07:13
mirak_penquinboy, thnx.....im still newb.....i tried07:14
PenguinBoyno prob my friend07:14
PenguinBoythat is what we lurk in here for07:14
mirak_s7s, now grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic07:14
s7sPenguinBoy, 'repositories' - what the **** is that07:15
PenguinBoyplaces that files are ketp07:15
mirak_s7s, you are tryin to play mp3's.right???07:15
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mirak_s7s,  grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic, that'd do it07:16
mirak_s7s, might as well check all updates while ou are at it07:16
mirak_s7s, use the smart upgrade07:17
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bronsonFirst power outage of the year!07:19
Ngis a synaptic "smart" upgrade a dist-upgrade?07:19
sri_has anybody had problems with accessing computers with ssh using nautilus?07:19
mirak_ng, yes07:19
sri_gnomevfs-ls sftp://somehost/ gives me an internal error07:19
JStrik1Mitario : Actually wanting to speak to to you about your package upgrade proposal. BTW, do use a different nick in #g-h? I have never seen you before07:20
Ngsri_: try running: sftp somehost07:20
sri_Ng: that works fine.07:20
s7smirak_ Alright, i will try to mess a little with this. Thank you :)07:20
Ngsee if you can actually connect. I've had key problems not show up nicely before07:20
Ngsri_: ah, well, pass then :(07:20
mirak_s7s, did it work??07:20
sri_Ng: however, I'm not using debian ssh stuff, but f-secure's ssh07:20
MitarioJStrik1, no, #g-h is also Mitario :)07:20
sri_our company has mandated that instead of openssh.07:20
Mitariojust not there now07:20
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sri_but it was actually working before then I did a dist-ugprade and it stopped working07:20
mirak_s7s, np, its how I learn too, thank penguinboy as well :)07:20
Kamionsri_: some of those ssh frontends rely on the exact output from ssh -v07:21
JStrik1Mitario : Ah. I see you now :-)07:21
Ngsri_: weak :(07:21
KamionI don't know if gnome-vfs is one of those; I certainly remember seeing that behaviour from one of GNOME or KDE07:21
sri_Kamion: so something changed, because I had no problems earlier07:21
Kamionit's wrong, but hard to fix07:21
terozhi there i have a dhcpd question07:21
s7sIl report back!07:21
Kamionsri_: ssh -v is subject to change by definition07:21
sri_Kamion: I've been doing dist-upgrades on my laptop at home and that works fine.07:21
sri_Kamion: yeah.07:22
sri_Kamion: so whatever it is, broke f-secure.07:22
sri_I suppose I could talk to Alex about gnome-vfs ssh method.07:22
MitarioJStrik1, well, say wat you wan to say :)07:22
sri_not sure when it broke though :/07:22
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Kamionsri_: you'll need to file a bug; strace -f output may be useful07:22
terozhi there everbody07:22
sri_Kamion: ok, I can do that.07:22
PenguinBoyhey teroz07:22
terozhi penguinBoy07:23
sri_Kamion: except, I'e requested a change of my bugzilla acct password and I still haven't received word.07:23
JStrik1Mitario : Ok. I have been wanting to create a new frontend for package upgrades. Synaptic is hideous and red-carpet is too enterprise specific. Something is needed. Yours is somewhat better07:23
Kamionsri_: I suspect rather few people test with f-secure07:23
sri_Kamion: apparently it never gave me a password when it created my account..07:23
sri_Kamion: so I'm kinda stuck.07:23
Kamionsri_: mail justdave@canonical.com; some people's e-mail systems apparently reject mail from bugzilla.ubuntu.com07:23
terozam stuck big time with dhcpd07:23
sri_Kamion: oh, I've mailed him before, and he never responded.07:23
MitarioJStrik1, i'm just finishing a new draft of my proposal, i'll put it in my weblog ASAP07:23
Kamion(because b.u.c doesn't accept mail, so callouts break ...)07:23
sri_Kamion: nod07:24
Kamionsri_: ping again, he's definitely the right contact07:24
Ngteroz: ask the question :)07:24
sri_Kamion: okay will do.07:24
MitarioJStrik1, every idea is welcome of course07:24
JStrik1Mitario : But I do not see why a user would ever need to know about a system library. Whether to install it or upgrade it, he should never have to know what the hell libgnomeui is etc07:24
terozi have my dhcpd upand running but it will not serve any requests07:24
terozeven though am sure when i run it debug mode that the client is07:25
terozsending the correct query07:25
Ngteroz: do you see any DHCP stuff in /var/log/messages?07:25
JStrik1Mitario : Any chance you are creating it with Mono? If so, I will happily help out07:25
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teroznope very quiet at that end07:26
KamionJStrik1: that said, it's easy to underestimate how much people want to play with their systems and know how they work.07:26
JStrik1hmm...wonder why my nick is funny07:26
Ngteroz: got a firewall running maybe?07:27
JStrik1Kamion : Sure, then they can use synaptic07:27
jonoanyone know how I can create a link on my desktop that will open a window with ssh://me@myserver.org:/home/me ?07:27
JStrik1Kamion : The theory is the same as gconf 07:27
teroznot too sure how would i check that07:27
JStrik1It is there to play around with if they need to07:27
Ngjono: Computer menu -> Disks, then File->Connect to server07:27
MitarioJStrik1, i'm creating my mockups with ruby, i have not yet decided which language i'm going to use for the real stuff07:27
jonoNg, but that wont create an icon on my desktop with that location in it will it?07:28
Ngjono: it did here :)07:28
jonoNg, oh, wow :)07:28
JStrik1Mitario : They should only ever be presented with Application Names. Not sure if Linspire is similar, but it does sound like they do hide the cruft away07:29
Ngjono: they should also show up in the Network window available from the Computer menu, but that's not really important ;)07:29
MitarioJStrik1, ah07:30
JStrik1Although to make it truly good, it would require a restructuring of the apt repo's07:30
KamionJStrik1: I don't believe that; you can add more metadata on top without restructuring it07:31
Ngteroz: sorry, I missed your last response.... "sudo /sbin/iptables -vL" will show you your firewall07:32
terozokay thanx - let me just check that Ng07:32
MitarioWell, I think the 'Short Description' header in a deb is sufficiant07:33
JStrik1Kamion : You think so. Ideally you want something similar to a html page so that people can see a small screenshot as well as a description of what they are going to install07:33
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terozno there doesn't seem to be any rules setup07:34
Kamionthat's an interesting description of "ideally"07:35
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Tzalidaris there a good automount usb tutorial07:35
JStrik1But there still needs to be a way to filter out all libraries, not sure if there is a structure in place for that. (New to debian. But apt-rpms suffered)07:35
Ngteroz: hmm.07:35
JStrik1Kamion : That is the point07:35
Tzalidarwhen my friend plugs in his usb, nautilus automatically opens it and he can begin using it, with automount magic and all ;) and all that in a unconfigurated ubuntu system07:35
JStrik1A user shouldn't have to be faced with that07:35
KamionJStrik1: uh, man-db is an end-user application if anything else07:36
Ngteroz: ideally the next diagnostic would be to grab network traffic and see what is happening. That's a little complex for talking through on IRC though ;)07:36
Kamionregardless of how much of an anti-terminal bias you have07:36
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JStrik1It doesn'y come much bigger than my anti-terminal bias07:36
KamionI'm sure :)07:36
terozokay will give it a try - thanx will let u know if i can't proceed07:36
__danielcould someone doublecheck if i'm the only one with a stupid epiphany?07:37
terozthANX Ng07:37
Ngteroz: take a look at ethereal07:37
MitarioJStrik1, but why woudn't you want to list libraries as an update?07:37
JStrik1Kamion : I dont see it as an app that people would install willingly07:37
__danielopen 3 webpages in different tabs and then try to open page 3 with alt-307:37
Ngteroz: and good luck :)07:37
KamionJStrik1: as the man-db maintainer, I respectfully disagree.07:37
Kamion(from experience)07:37
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MitarioJStrik1, I want to see the updates of all packages actually07:37
tix__daniel: that works fine for me07:38
__danielalt-{1,2,4} works well, alt-3 doesnt07:38
__danielmaybe i have a strange shortcut somewhere07:38
Ngcya teroz 07:38
__danielthanks tix07:38
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KamionJStrik1: the point is, people's opinions on what is interesting vary wildly, and pushing all of them off to synaptic is going to limit the appeal of an upgrade notifier significantly07:38
JStrik1Mitario : Why should someone be made aware that they have libgnomeui installed? Abiword ? Yes. libgnomeui? No 07:39
MitarioJStrik1, and why not, as a developer, I would be really pleased to know that for example libgnomeui is updated07:39
theantix__daniel: actually I do get tabs number misbehaving on occasion, with the numbers being the order of creation not the order on the screen07:39
KamionJStrik1: due respect, but it's not just end users who want easy upgrades07:40
JStrik1Kamion : Fair enough. But I am not talking specifically about an update notifier07:40
__danielhmmmm, alt-3 isnt taken (from what i see in the keyboard config thingie)07:40
Kamionit's often developers too07:40
JStrik1Mitario : But are developers the Gnome target audience? (Well, kinda, but you know what I mean)07:40
__danieltheantix, that's strange: epiphany's tabs always worked nice for me since the first official .deb on07:41
MitarioJStrik1, ok, say, my father, is a windows user, what is the harm that he know that libgnomeui is installed?07:41
NgMitario: he might not 07:41
Ngthere is more to that sentence ;)07:42
Mitarioif he doesn't want to know, he'll just think 'oh, something my computer needs', i'll update it07:42
NgMitario: he might not be so happy with a list of hundreds of lib packages07:42
JStrik1It is very overwhelming. I have never gotten used to knowing what is on my computer07:42
MitarioNg, and what does he se when he starts synaptic?07:42
NgMitario: an insanely long list ;)07:42
Mitarioindeed ;)07:42
Tzalidarabout my usb question; dmesg told me that i had a incorrect filesystem on the usb stick, so ill reformat it :)07:42
Ngimvho updating and installing apps are two seperate apps07:43
Mitariowhat if my dads download skype from skype.com07:43
Ngtasks, rather07:43
Mitarioit isn't included in the distro, and on the skype page is: this program needs the qt library to run07:43
Mitariohe goes to synaptic and searches for the qt library07:43
Mitarioit is in the distro, but because synaptic hides all the libraries, he can't find it07:43
Despairugh, rhythmbox isn't updating song titles on streaming music. *misses gxine*07:44
gerardvschipxphew, copied my internal hd now lets see if ubuntu will insatll07:44
JStrik1Mitario : But, maybe I misunderstood what you were aiming for. I want to do a replacement for synaptic that sane as well as have an update utility07:44
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gerardvschipxor install07:44
andrilhello all07:44
JStrik1Mitario : When he tries to install it, the package management app will retrieve it in the backaground07:44
MitarioJStrik1, my first goal was to create a nice update installation thingy, not a replacement for the package manager :)07:44
DespairI don't think synaptic needs replacing. Maybe a default filter that's a bit less mindnumbing than "all" ;)07:45
MitarioDespair, indeed07:45
CraHanpitti: are you back from that meeting?07:45
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Mitarioand it also needs a 'System upgrade' button07:46
pittiCraHan: still running07:46
CraHanah ok07:46
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Mitarioanyways, i'm posting my new ideas in a sec on my weblog, so you can all read what my intentions are :)07:46
pittiCraHan: but I currently can't contribute much07:46
mirak_s7s, Im sorry, I went to luch, did you get mp3's working???07:46
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pittiCraHan: any news?07:46
JStrik1I have just been hating synaptic on RH for years now. And I see debians Synaptic blows just as much. It doesn't fit in with the Gnome Philosophy 07:46
CraHanpitti: well I'm tailing syslog07:46
pittiCraHan: /msg please07:46
CraHanand on insertion of the flashcardreader and the compactflashcard in one of the slots I see udev creating sda-sdd and sda107:46
Mitariodamn, I wish there was some kind of nice little wysiwyg html editor in ubuntu which can create these kind of documents :)07:49
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bruce_luchello i'm new in ubuntu and my zip drive is not very well recognize07:49
bruce_luccan someone help me a little07:50
gerardvschipxhmm, i just noticed that it does not like my airport extreme card07:50
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Ngwoah. utterly offtopic, but my flatmate just brought in a keyboard projector and it's the coolest toy I've seen for ages :)07:52
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mirak_ng, oooo..oooo.....lets me try07:52
Kamiongerardvschipx: they're not supported by Linux at all, I'm afraid07:53
Kamiongerardvschipx: Broadcom won't release the specifications07:53
gerardvschipxha well :)07:53
Ngmirak_: hehe, no! ;)07:53
gerardvschipxi'm only installing it to have  play07:53
gerardvschipxI love the installer, very simple07:53
mirak_ng, cmon.......ill give you a cookie07:54
gerardvschipxright now i'm on a very old mac with yellow dog linux07:54
Kamiongerardvschipx: and it has airport extreme?07:54
gerardvschipxits amazing the life you get out of an old machine with linux07:54
gerardvschipxnope, the airport extreme is in my powerbook07:54
Kamiongerardvschipx: ah, good, I did wonder :)07:55
Kamionalbook presumably07:55
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gerardvschipx12 inch powerbook07:55
mirak_gerardvschipx, lucky you07:55
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Kamionah, shame, the 12" doesn't have PCMCIA, which makes it tricky to replace the airport extreme07:55
gerardvschipxwha, for a shity powerbook?07:55
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jonoanyone in KDE here?07:56
KosaiYou can use USB wireless, I guess.07:56
gerardvschipxgood idea kosai07:56
KamionKosai: yeah, that's the best workaround07:56
gerardvschipxare there drivers for them?07:56
mirak_gerardvschip, I olny wish I had the money for a apple product, bills are killing me07:56
Kamionprism2_usb exists in warty07:56
gerardvschipxthey are dirtcheap as well07:56
gerardvschipxsame here mirak07:56
Kamionshop around, check the chipsets before buying07:56
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gerardvschipxselling my arcade machines to pay for the bills:(07:56
Koffatalking about wlan - atheros supported?07:57
Koffaout of the box07:57
mirak_gerardvschipx, im sorry, need to see a doctor or anything07:57
s7smirak_, Allright - i figured it out and it is downloading the packages now, thank you :)(& Penguinboy).07:57
mirak_gerardvschipx, cuz that hasta hurt07:57
KamionKoffa: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport says yes but only in the installed system, not in the installer07:58
mirak_s7s, np......hope it works out for you (it should)07:58
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KoffaKamion: not a problem, thanks...07:58
KoffaKamion: just started looking at this today, been a Debian user for ages07:58
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gerardvschipxyaboot claims it cant be installed on interal drive08:01
gerardvschipxall that work for nothing08:01
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liffso, tomorrow is release-day?08:02
mirak_liff, I sure hope so08:02
MitarioKamion, JStrik1 new draft @ FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | please test http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/testing/LiveCD/current/warty-live-i386.iso08:05
Mitariosorry guys08:05
Mitarionew draft @ http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html08:05
KosaiMitario: Looks good to me.08:06
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crash|dose ubuntu have kernel 2.6.9 in repo et?08:08
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muellingHey ho! :-)08:09
lamontcrash|: that'd be after warty release.08:09
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crash|lamont:hmm k when are the warty relase coming out?08:10
lamontcurrently in deep freeze, calender says "october"08:10
inklingxbtw: 2.6.9 breaks the proprietary nvidia driver ;)08:10
spivcrash|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/newer-versions  :)08:10
Mannywhere can I get eclipse for ubuntu?08:11
__danieltheantix, you were right, it was the tab-opening order *grmbl*08:12
theantix__daniel: it isn't consistant though, unfortunately08:12
theantixI've been trying to find a way to break it consistantly so I can file a bug report08:13
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KosaiManny: Ubuntu doesn't distribute Java, since it's non-free, so also doesn't distribute Eclipse.08:13
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__danieltheantix, seems to have happened in (1.3.8-0ubuntu1): correct stored tab positioning after tab_added signal.     (if i understand the changelog right)08:14
theantix__daniel: ah, good08:15
MannyKosai: ok08:16
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nosilver4ujust curious, has anyone ever got iTunes to work in ubuntu?08:17
thursdaygood day all08:17
JStrik1nosilver4u : What?08:18
LinuxJonesthursday, it's only Tuesday :)08:18
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JStrik1Does ubuntu have Nvidia packages?08:19
JStrik1What is the procedure to get them? 08:20
JStrik1On the nvidia site like normal?08:20
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JStrik1Ah. Was busy looking at that in Synaptic. Wasn't all that clear if it was the official one though08:22
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muellingI did the nvidia installation another way. :-) Because i also wanted to build a new kernel i just got the kernel sourcec, builkt my kernel and then installed the current driver from nvidias website. sure this is not the easiest step but it worked :-) i dont like packagemanagers... :-))08:25
JStrik1Cant find gstreamer-ffmpeg. Is it in some other repo?08:25
thursdayit's always thursday!08:28
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kentWhat package might i be missing (its not cpp, i checked) when i get the following message when trying to run configure. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check08:29
muellingfriday would be better :-)08:29
tmpanyone got swat working? i have no idea how to get it, localhost:901 gives an error08:29
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LinuxJoneskent, install build-essential08:30
thursdaykent, try installing build-essential with apt-get install build-essential08:30
thursdayoops someone beat me!08:30
LinuxJonesby 2 seconds :)08:31
kentLinuxJones, thursday: Thanks alot!08:31
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JStrik1I seem to remember somebody saying that ubuntu had gstsreamer-ffmpeg available somewhere08:32
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nosilver4uJStrik1: it's a little piece of software that runs the largest music store online, would require wine or similar, as there's no linux port yet08:33
DespairJStrik1: gstreamer0.8-misc08:33
JStrik1nosilver4u : I am aware what it is. You are busy dreaming that *any* distro will run it08:34
Despair(apt-cache search ffmpeg|grep treamer)08:34
JStrik1Despair : Is that the latest one that was release a couple of days ago?08:34
DespairJStrik1: no idea. I've only been using ubuntu for a couple of days.08:35
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mirak_im sorry.....dont know what that is....or how I did it.....was playing around with this irc client08:36
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JStrik1Despair  : It is only * ffmpeg-based colorspace conversion08:37
JStrik1Not ffmpeg itself08:37
JStrik1Which allows viewing of WMV etc08:37
WW_JStrik1: I don't know anything about it, and this might not be quite what you are looking for, but there is an ffmpeg package in Marillat's repository.08:43
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JStrik1WW_ : Where can I get detail about this repo?08:43
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:lamont] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | please test http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/sounder-test/live/warty-live-i386-20041019-18.iso.torrent
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maxxisola lagine m puede ayudar con el gdesklets08:45
WW_JStrik1: Some time ago I added a description of how to add it to the sources.list, but the wiki/ubuntu docs have morhed quite a bit since then, and I don't know where it ended up.08:45
WW_JStrik1: Add to sources.list:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main08:46
maxxisalguien m puede ayudar con el gdeklets?08:46
WW_JStrik1: Usual disclaimer: use at your own risk!08:46
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LinuxJoneslamont, the livecd tracker will not allow download (rejected by tracker)08:47
lamontLinuxJones: poking the admin08:47
LinuxJoneslamont, ;)08:47
WW_maxxis: Maybe try #ubuntu-es ?08:49
WW_too late08:49
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JStrik1WW_ : Seems to be the as what is in multiverse. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the gstreamer-plugin08:50
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jimihi there08:50
jimiwhat's the package needed to install stuff already?08:51
jimiinstall = compile08:51
WW_jimi: build-essential (I think that's what you are asking...)08:51
jimiok thanks =)08:51
jimiand for this: "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no"08:52
jimisorry fur bugging you -_-08:52
Keybukjimi: what are you trying to compile?08:53
jimidarksnow, stuff to send audio stream to icecast08:53
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Keybukah, ok; I'd install gnome-devel to get a gnomeish development environment08:53
jimiok :)08:54
jimieek 139Mb 08:54
jimiwow done already08:56
jimimerci freebox08:56
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LinuxJonesjimi, apt-get install build essential08:57
LinuxJonesya sorry08:57
LinuxJonesthanks :)08:58
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dgtlhi everyone08:58
adam_anyway to rename eth1 to wlan0?08:58
dgtlany devs around?08:58
Kamiondgtl: several ...08:58
dgtli forgot what i was about to ask though :P08:59
brettcarSo, how can a guy find out where Ubuntu needs volunteers and help out?09:00
adam_mailing list?09:00
brettcarYeah I watch some of the lists (not the dev list though)09:00
brettcarBut no one is saying we need people here, here and here.09:00
adam_ask the list :-P09:00
brettcarOkay, I suppose I could :P09:01
LinuxJonesbrettcar, >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate09:01
dgtlis there any way i can get to an "unstable" branch with ubuntu? (i.e on the edge, latest stuff etc)09:01
Kamionbrettcar: at the moment we're torn between the need to get warty out tomorrow and the need to build up the development community09:01
Kamiondgtl: soon :-)09:01
adam_RELEASE IT :-)09:01
Kamionbrettcar: once hoary starts up we hope to have much more for external developers to do (after all, we can't manage all of universe ourselves)09:02
dgtli want reiser4 as an option i a near future please jot that down somewhere :D09:02
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Riddelldgtl: there isn't an unstable branch yet but presumably hoary will be opened soon and that will be unstable09:02
Kamiondgtl: really depends when it gets into the kernel09:02
Riddellah, Kamion is ahead of me09:02
brettcarKamion: It'd be nice if there was a list of what needs work etc09:02
Kamionbrettcar: ack09:03
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dgtlso not before 2.7?09:03
dgtlah crap09:03
brettcarKamion: I'm a mediocre programmer and might actually be of some use, but I'd have to pick a particular package to learn and maintain probably.09:03
WW_brettcar: Update the Screem Help files :-)09:03
Kamiondgtl: is there even a 2.7 scheduled at the moment?09:03
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dgtli love the work you've done with ubuntu btw09:03
Riddelllinux 2.7 isn't scheduled to happen at all09:04
brettcarKamion: I could probably look through Bugzilla and see what needs work..09:04
Riddelldon't know what the likelyhood of reiser4 getting into linux 2.6 is09:04
HcELinux 2.7 is a dev-kernel09:04
Kamionbrettcar: I could pimp my bug list, but that would be grossly unfair ... :)09:04
dgtlerhm? what's up with kernel.org?09:04
dgtllatest stable 2.0.1???09:04
brettcarKamion: If they are legitimate bugs I don't see why it'd be unfair ;)09:05
KamionHcE: does it exist? I was under the impression everything was going into 2.6 for now, and 2.7 wasn't planned in the near future09:05
HcEkernel.org is on a bad trip09:05
Kamiondgtl: looks fine from here09:05
HcEKamion: I do think it "exist", but not for the public yet09:05
dgtlmaybe a bad mirror then or something09:05
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KamionHcE: where does this information come from? :)09:05
HcEKamion: I thought I read a article about that some time ago, I can of course be wrong09:05
Kamionkernel development's always been public09:06
brettcarIt'd be nice if Ubuntu's Bugzilla wasn't slow as molasses though...09:06
muellingJust yesterday i got kernel from kernel.org09:06
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RiddellHcE: it doesn't exist09:06
adam_whats the default theme manager for Gnome?09:06
muellingToday it seems to be ok too09:06
HcERiddell: ok09:06
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HcEbut some day 2.7 will exist :)09:06
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Mitarioadam_, the default window manager is metacity09:06
dgtllatest stable is 2.6.909:06
adam_right thx09:06
Mitarioyw :)09:06
HcEand then we'll have 2.8 or maybe 3.0 as "stable" releases09:06
HcEhuh, 2.6.9 is out?09:07
chrisa|dlI find it odd that the Applications menu lacks a subcategory containing editors like Vim and Emacs (both of which are installed) 09:07
dgtli agree09:07
gmachrisa|dl, I do too, but then thought of the poor people like my parents who might get all confused by them.09:07
dgtlbut they're console editors generally09:07
HcEdgtl: is that why I get email about kernel 2.2.19 is released? ;)09:07
dgtlseems kindof b0rked09:08
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HcEdgtl: is 2.4.28 released?09:08
dgtlany plans of moving away from the brownish theme?09:08
thkwhot do you people say, dual boot or macinlinux?09:08
dgtl2.4.28-pre4 is the latest of the 2.4 branch09:09
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gmadgtl, you know you can change it yourself, for all new users?09:09
dgtlfor all users? no i don't have a clue... and i'm stuck with the brown background when the gnome splash i showing too... (although i've changed that color on my account)09:10
muellingdgtl: why not just download and install any gnome theme yourself? I think that brown theme is something original to ubuntu. 09:10
IRCMonkeypantz: beep09:10
pantzIRCMonkey: beep09:10
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IRCMonkeyhehe chatzilla is cool09:11
dgtlmuelling: well i want something beautiful right out the box so why not speak my mind?09:11
IRCMonkeyfor a firefox plugin!09:11
gmadgtl, run gconf-editor as root (or gconftool-2 from the command line) and change some settings; they'll then be used as default09:11
JStrik1tseng : How about those beagle, inotify-kernel packages?09:11
dgtlgma: ok thanks09:11
gmadgtl, try this: "gconftool-2 -R /desktop | grep theme"09:12
muellingdgtl: didnt want ot blame you sorry :-)09:12
gma(for example)09:12
gmathere's probably a better way, but you can setup all sorts of stuff like that with gconf09:12
dgtlgma: ok i'll jot this down09:12
ukaszAre Debian and Ubuntu compatible in terms of packages? Or is it something like "compatibility" between rpm's?09:12
gmadgtl, man gconftool-209:13
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gmadgtl, and check the GConf page; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/09:13
JStrikeukasz : Not properly. But Debian packages should work alot of the time09:13
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dgtloh i got a question... why is firefox reverted(or something) to an older version?09:14
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sven_hey guys ... does anyone of you knows if ubuntu comes with the x-driver of ATI or with the free xfree driver?09:14
ukaszanother question: can the missing root account I've heard about be fixed easily?09:14
gmasven_, you get both09:15
gmabinary one needs installing seperately09:15
dgtlukasz: sudo passwd root09:15
ukaszok, thanks I get this "no root" thingie now ^^09:16
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sven_gma: so, is this difficult?09:17
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jimisoes anyone know in what package is the "crypt" command ?09:21
gmasven_, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto09:21
WW_dgtl: Re: Firefox downgrade: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005732.html09:22
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ThreeDayMonkanyone using a prism2 network card?  which module are you using?09:25
occyThreeDayMonk, that a orinoco card?09:26
ThreeDayMonkthat's the trouble09:26
occy s/a/an/09:26
ThreeDayMonkI'm getting awful performance with orinoco_cs, and someone suggested that it's really a prism209:26
ThreeDayMonkit's a DWL650 - well, it looks like one, but it's actually made by I-O DATA of Japan09:27
occyI couldn't use ubuntu on my laptop :(  quite odd. 09:27
ThreeDayMonkthis isn't a laptop, but I have a PCI-Cardbus adapter09:27
occyworks fine on my desktop though09:27
CraHanso who's hyped up to go live :)09:28
justdavesri_: if you didn't get my reply then you're apparently not getting mail from my ISP either.  I replied with a new password for you within 5 minutes when you mailed me on the 13th.09:28
JStrikebah. Ubuntu uses the old and busted OO.o. Thought they would be competing with NLD in this arena09:28
gmaoccy, same here09:29
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gmaJStrike, NLD?09:31
pantzJStrike: NLD?09:31
s7sWhat is the best mp3-player?09:31
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gmaI like muine, but it needs mono09:32
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mirak_s7s, mplayer is good..............i like it09:32
s7sthanks :)09:32
Despairukasz: any real difference from madplay?09:33
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ukaszdunno, I've never used madplay09:33
JStrikegma, pantz : Novell Linux Desktop09:34
ukaszbut I've heard of some project called MPD09:34
JStrikes7s : muine09:34
ukaszits a demon that plays music , and can be controlled with many fonteds09:34
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ukaszI need to try it someday ^^09:35
justdavesri_: I just forwarded the original note from last week with your new password in it back to you again...  if you don't have it in the next 10 or 15 minutes, ping me here, and I'll just /msg it to you on IRC09:35
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s7smirak_, I Finished downloading all of the Gstreamers, but it still can?t play my mp3?s. Rhythmbox is a crap-player, so i want something else.09:36
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s7sJStrike, Ok, i?ll try that :)09:37
JStrikes7s : Ubuntu played mp3's out the box for me09:37
ukaszxmms is considered the best by many09:37
JStrikeGet muine09:37
dgtlWW_: thanks09:37
ukaszand its really user friendly09:37
JStriketseng has it in his repo iirc 09:37
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krischanI have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?09:39
s7sSeems to be alot of different opinions 09:39
krischans7s: I think with the shipped choice: XMMS09:39
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mirak_s7s, it didn't work????09:41
s7smirak_, nope09:42
mirak_s7s, hmm...ive don't 2 installs, it worked perfect for me both  times...i don't know why it wont work for you09:42
mirak_s7s, for sure the files are mp309:42
angrylogics7s, I couldn't get rhythmbox to play mp3s either so I just did a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins, installed all those packages, and then it worked.09:43
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mirak_s7s, maybe that's it........you dint install all of the packages09:43
s7smirak_, Maybe...09:43
s7sangrylogic, i?ll try that :)09:44
angrylogics7s, make sure you are using universe in your source.list too.09:44
mirak_s7s, I wish I could help more, but im newb too....plus I am stuck at work for about another hour on a windows box09:44
mirak_s7s, im not good enough yet to work from memory09:45
s7smirak_, ok :)09:45
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mirak_is synaptic exactly the same as apt-get....in other words is theree a time where I would want to  use synaptic, and not apt-get.....or use apt-get, and not synaptic?09:47
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angrylogicthey work from the same package list, and synaptic uses the same libraries as apt-get as far as I know.09:47
ukaszsynaptic is a graphical fonted for apt09:47
angrylogicthey should always be the same.09:47
ukaszdebian has synaptic too09:47
mirak_what I figured09:47
ukaszsynaptic actually uses apt09:47
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angrylogicanyone know wither or not ubuntu will set everything up for automounting usb drives or do i have to do it by hand?09:48
PenguinBoysynaptic is just the gui for apt09:48
mirak_1 moer question.....if I decide to only use synaptic.....do I still need to apt-get update, or does synaptic auto do that on load?09:48
Kamionmirak_: synaptic's Reload button is equivalent09:49
mirak_kamion, oh yeah....forgot about that button...sorry09:49
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mirak_hey!, is there a linux equivalent to adobe illustrator??09:50
mirak_gimp is for photochop09:50
mirak_or quarx express......any illustration app09:51
JStrikeIsn't Illustrator a svg app?09:52
Despairseveral. I don't use them, so can't recommend any in particular. sodipodi09:52
JStrikeIf so, there a crap version called Inkscape09:52
JStrikeAlthough it is much better than the alternatives. Sodipodi blows :-)09:53
mirak_jstrike, are either of htem even worth it?09:54
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theantixwhat's wrong with Inkscape?  I rather like it09:54
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eaonmost designers i showed inkscape were rather impressed09:55
JStrikemirak_ : Inkskape is the best. 09:55
eaonhas some features they've been waiting for to be in some commericial apps for years09:55
JStrikeNone are nearly as good as Illustrator09:55
HeeterHi Guys,09:55
eaonthats right, yes09:56
eaonnosilver4u, tee?09:56
eaoner, tea09:56
JStrikeHave never understood how people can say gimp is good with the crap interface it has09:56
nosilver4unah, as in the browser plugin...how might i get java for firefox09:56
JStrikeBut I dont feel like starting that holy war right now09:56
HeeterI am new to this Linux Ubuntu. Does this Distro support RAID PCi cards?09:56
eaongimp has power, but interface wise it's the motherfucking goddamn hell09:57
WW_Hmmm... In Synaptic, the descriptions of inkscape and sodipodi are almost identical.09:57
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JStrikeInkskape is a fork of sodipodi 09:58
JStrikeIt was forked a year or two ago09:59
JStrikeInk is better09:59
WW_JStrike: Ah, I see.  It's also supported by ubuntu :)09:59
JStrikeSee what I mean about Synaptic blowing :-)09:59
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doogieany ubuntu maintainers alive?10:00
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Kamiondoogie: yes?10:00
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theantixI would like to see a task-based version of Synaptic -- so you choose a task "SVG editor" and it gives you the Ubuntu preferred option (say Inkscape) and list alternatives (Sodi, etc)10:00
doogieah, you10:01
JStrikeSorry, a discussion from earlier10:01
nosilver4uso...no java?10:02
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JStrikeKamion : He would like my version :-)10:02
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ploummdz, I must ping you about #229610:05
mdzploum: ?10:06
ploumyep, do you need more info about #2296 ?10:06
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mdzploum: please understand, we have a large number of bugs to deal with right now10:07
ploummy friend (the bug reporter) has still no sound on his laptop and, because it's a very common config, we think that it would be cool to solve this issue10:07
mdzmany of them are important for tomorrow's release10:07
mdzthere is not time for individual attention for every bug10:07
ploummdz, I understand, it's just that seb128 says me to ask you about it10:07
Kamionand many things inevitably have to be deferred10:07
mdzploum: it works perfectly for me on all of my test machines; I have no idea why you have no /dev/dsp10:07
mdzthe correct modules seem to be loaded10:08
mdzso perhaps your sound device is not supported10:08
ploumI've already see that on somes Sarge install10:08
mdzploum: see what exactly?10:08
ploumit's because Oss AND Alsa drivers were loaded 10:08
ukaszno dev/dsp?10:08
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ukaszdo you have oss compatibility modules loaded?10:09
ukaszthey provide it10:09
JStrikeKamion : What would be ideal would be an app that contains/incorporates something like the ui-vision here  (http://www.autopackage.org/ui-vision.html) I think that apt could be used to power it though10:09
mdzukasz: he does; his sound device is not recognized by the ALSA driver at all10:09
ploumAnd the solution was always to compile a new kernel without OSS support (but OSS emulation throught ALSA enabled)10:09
mdzploum: you say this is a Dell laptop?10:09
JStrikeKamion : Sorry to bring that up again :-)10:09
ukaszso he needs to manualy load the driver10:09
mdzploum: perhaps you have bug #1254, try that10:09
ploummdz, yes (it's not mine so I don't have it here)10:09
mdzploum: test please10:10
ploummdz, thx, I forward it !10:10
ukaszalsaconfig sometimes didn't work for me10:10
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ploumthx a lot and courage for tonight !10:10
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__danielploum, maybe you had to blacklist the oss-drivers in /etc/hotplug.d or something? *guess*10:11
ploumanyway, just a question : why is OSS still in default kernel ? Why not only Alsa and OSS emulation ?10:11
ploum__daniel, already tried10:11
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__danielploum, damn :-/10:11
ploumthat was the first thing I tought10:12
ploumThanks a lot mdz and good work..10:12
chapeaurougeploum, do you happen to know the dell model of the laptop?10:12
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mdzploum: that is exactly what we alreaady do10:12
mdzploum: ALSA with OSS emulation10:12
mdzthe OSS drivers are already blacklisted, of course10:13
cjbKamion: Do you happen to have a serial cable around there somewhere?10:13
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Kosaimy Alpha is being mean to me.10:13
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KamionKosai: 'fraid not10:13
Tzalidarvim is so cool :)10:14
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mirak_45mins till FREEDOM!!!10:16
ploummdz, yes they are blacklisted, but why not compile the kernel without OSS support. So there's no more need for blacklist support10:17
cleedaniels: bitch.10:17
cleedaniels: jabber!10:17
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WW_mirak_: Workin' hard?  :)10:17
mdzploum: so that they are available if for some reason the newer drivers do not work for some hardware yet10:17
ploummdz, ok, indeed.  10:18
ploumsorry for the noise..10:19
ploumtomorow will be a wonderful day ;-)10:19
ploum(but I can say goodbye to naked people in the artwork..)10:19
mirak_ww_, havent really done anything all day.......hehe10:20
mirak_so tomarrow for sure is the release?10:21
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nosilver4uwell, in case anyone cares, i got java working10:22
nosilver4uin firefox10:22
mirak_nosilver4u, go to www.purevolume.com/bedforddrive        tell me if the player on the right side displays the track names10:22
mirak_nosilver4u, I got it working too, but not 100%10:23
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mirak_baham, what game you watching?10:23
baHamJuventus - Bayern Muenchen10:23
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s7sHow can i make changes in the startup-procedure? 10:26
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TheBossmirak_: You're fired.10:26
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=== xskoulax wishes bbc america would help ex-pats our by at least showing international games involving the uks teams
WW_mirak_:  ;-)10:27
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krischanI have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?10:30
mirak_ww_, that is funny stuff.......but seriously...i can go home now10:31
WW_mirak_: Yes, you have my permission...10:31
hypn0could someone change the single pipes to double pipes in topic, pipes mean monospace, sure that wasnt the intent10:31
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WW_krischan: I just tried it myself, and the position of my "cursor" in each folded didn't change.10:32
Kamionhypn0: in what IRC client?10:32
Kamionhow crap of it10:32
zeromhi,ive got a problem with the root account on my ubuntu: the sudo workaround asks for a password.10:32
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Kamionhypn0: that better?10:33
Kamionzerom: your own password.10:33
Kosaizerom: It's asking for your user password.10:33
hypn0ahh, so much easier on the eyes now :-), thanks10:33
KosaiSomeone needs to write a "Look, we're asking for *your* password here." wrapper script.10:33
KamionI thought we'd changed sudo to say "Enter your password:"10:34
Kamionevidently we only changed gksudo10:34
mirak_kamion, what is gksudo???10:34
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mirak_kamion, I am only aware of sudo10:34
Kamionmirak_: you only need one question mark :-)10:35
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Kamionmirak_: graphical frontend, allows running an X client as root straightforwardly10:35
mirak_kamion, sorry heavy fingers....i guess, thnx for the answer10:35
KosaiMonkeyPop is the coolest thing I've seen this month.10:36
mirak_kamion, kinda like logging in as root?10:36
Kamionmirak_: much less heavyweight though10:36
mirak_kamion, thnx :)10:37
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JStrikeKosai : Nat just said that an hour ago :-)10:39
KosaiJStrike: Well, it's propagating.  :)10:39
PenguinBoywhat is MoinkeyPop?10:41
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JStrikePenguinBoy : google it10:47
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willhi ppl, i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.310:48
speelis the final comming out this week or next?10:48
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d3nizhi please can help me 10:50
Kamionspeel: tomorrow.10:50
s7sHow can i make changes in the startup-procedure?10:50
d3nizwhere can i get some sources 10:50
speelaw man lol gotta wait one more day10:50
d3nizsources lists //??10:50
Kamiondeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted10:51
Kamiondeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted10:51
d3nizKamion thanks very much :)10:52
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willanyone have any ideas on my question?10:52
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d3nizwill what is your question ?10:55
will i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.310:55
will<speel> is the final comming out this week or next?10:55
neuro_[21:50]  <Kamion> speel: tomorrow.10:56
WW_will: nosilver4u was just talking about getting java working in firefox.10:58
willit used to work in the unstable release (1.0pr) but not now!11:00
willits very quiet in here today....is everone drinking or something!?!11:03
wm_eddieI wish....11:03
willso what are the bar charts to the immediate right of this box im typing into in X-Chat? does any one know?11:03
neuro_or lack thereof11:04
willso the top one, says about 10% what does that mean eh?11:04
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neuro_will: i use mirc ... i suggest rtfming11:06
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UBMikeat boot ubuntu shows a FATAL error for hw_random module. how do I turn the attempt to load that puppy off?11:08
willneuro_: do you use ubuntu too?11:08
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neuro_will: yes11:09
UBMikehmm maybe in /etc/discover.conf?11:09
neuro_building a mythtv box using ubuntu right now11:09
xskoulaxwill: they are a lag and throttle meters11:09
xskoulaxi beleive11:09
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xskoulaxunder settings>preferences>user11:10
neuro_cards galore! http://gander.zensoft.net/~neuro/DSC02477.JPG :))11:10
s7smirak_, what did you do after you downloaded the Gstreamers?11:10
s7smirak_, should i config something in Rhythmbox?11:11
xskoulaxneuro_: thought about starting a casino ;)11:12
PenguinBoyi just apt-got installed freeciv.....but there was no icon installed under applications....games.  Anyone know why?????11:12
__danielPenguinBoy, does it work when you're in a console?11:14
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danitusWEPETEPE! como estamos corillo11:14
PenguinBoy_daniel.....how would I do that?11:15
Kamionwill: have you anything in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/?11:15
s7smirak_, are you there?11:15
Kamionwill: (apart from libnullplugin.so)11:15
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willkamion: yeah a few things, but nothing related to (oh god) sun or j2skd11:17
willj2sdk even!11:17
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matthewapt-get upgrade, does not install newewst mozilla-firefox, is there not a package for it?11:17
HoodsterHi all, Is there a page at the ubuntu website or wiki that lists the packages that come with Warty? I can't find it! (hehe)11:17
Kamionwill: you'll need to put the plugin from the j2re in there11:17
willmatthew: what i learnt is they reverted to 0.9.3 for stability just now...it was closing on its own randomly (well for me anyway)11:18
willkamion: thanks! any idea where i would find it?11:18
matthewhrmm thats odd, i know there are some security problems with .9.3, ok i was just wondering11:18
lamontwill: whack google with blackdown java linux11:19
Kamionwill: not offhand, I'm afraid; look for *.so11:19
Kamionlibjavaplugin or some such11:19
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JStrikeWhat is the debian equivalent of rpm -ivh foo11:20
KamionJStrike: dpkg -i foo.deb11:20
lamontwill: Their readme says: "J2SE v1.4.2-rc1 can be download from ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/ and our FTP mirrors  (see http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html)"11:20
JStrikeKamion : Thanks11:21
Kamionno direct equivalent of the -h switch, but most people don't find it necessary11:21
lamontKamion: what's -h?11:22
JStrikeBTW, why is there no app to deal with install debs ?11:22
lamontJStrike: how do you mean?11:22
stvnJStrike: like dpkg -i <file>.deb11:22
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JStrikeIt seems you have to use the terminal to install a deb11:23
lamontpretty much only developers find a need or use for running dpkg -i directly11:23
stvnlamont: don't forget dselect ;)11:23
Kamionlamont: print hash marks11:23
Kamionprogress bar, basically11:23
stvnJStrike: synaptic might be your friend11:24
PenguinBoywhat is a good equivalent to midnight commander?11:24
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lamontJStrike: you mean like this: Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager11:24
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JStrikeI dont think synaptic lets you install a single package11:24
stvnPenguinBoy: you mean with gui?11:24
JStrikeIt needs to come from a repo or cd11:24
lamontstvn: what's dselect? :-)11:24
willkamion: no .so files to do with j2sdk on  my pc!! ARR!11:24
PenguinBoyyes styn11:24
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willthink i will try blackdown11:24
Kamionwill: make sure you have a j2re11:25
stvnPenguinBoy: hm, there is gmc but I must say mc works quite nice from a terminal, with mouse support etc11:25
stvnlamont: exactly ;)11:25
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PenguinBoystyn i like mc but it is not on my system.....would you know hoe to apt-get it?11:25
stvnPenguinBoy: add the universe and apt-get install mc11:26
PenguinBoyit is not lisyed on the Derbian stable list11:26
lamontPenguinBoy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add universe11:26
KamionJStrike: we could invent some kind of mime handler for individual .debs, but there's the question of what to do with dependency problems, which you *will* get eventually if you install .debs by hand11:26
xskoulaxhey all, question when i run glxgears the following shows up 'Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".' is that significant at all?11:26
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JStrikeKamion : Not so. Rug/red-capet deals with it just fine11:26
PenguinBoythanks guys....got it!11:27
xskoulaxfps is topping out at 248 and the card is a radeon 9500 pro11:27
JStrikeKamion : Unless you mean they are badly built11:27
KamionJStrike: no, that's not what I mean at all11:28
stvnin ubuntu, if you add another user, can he still do all the sudo commands, or do I need to change some sudo setting somewhere?11:28
lamontJStrike: take your pick: install individual .debs and deal with the dependencies, or put them in a repository and let the next layer up deal with the dependencies for you.11:28
KamionJStrike: if you let people install individual .debs, sooner or later they'll download one without downloading all its dependencies as well11:28
lamontstvn: until you visudo he can't11:28
brettcarxskoulax: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto11:28
lamontstvn: the installer adds the initial user to /etc/sudoers for you11:28
KamionJStrike: and there exist packages which you *cannot* install in isolation; you need to install two packages simultaneously. The next layer up is responsible for taking care of this.11:28
stvnlamont: ah ok - eek vi11:29
Kamionstvn: visudo actually uses $EDITOR; the name is historical11:29
stvnsudo nano /etc/sudoers should work as well then11:30
xskoulaxbrettcar: thx just what i needed i guess, i looked at the hardware list and it said the 9500 pro was supporting the 3d so was suprised at the fps11:30
Kamionstvn: recommended against11:30
stvnKamion: why?11:30
Kamionstvn: visudo also does error checking to make sure you don't lock yourself out due to a syntax error in sudoers11:30
brettcarxskoulax: After installation you should get well over 100011:30
Kamionstvn: and locks the file against concurrent modification11:31
lamontsvvn: I think visudo runs $EDITOR...11:31
stvnKamion: ah ok11:31
xskoulaxafter installation i'm going to have to locate that loki quake3 :D11:31
stvnhow long does ubuntu exist now?11:32
Kamionstvn: we held the kick-off meeting in April11:32
Kamionof course, it didn't have a name then :)11:32
stvnKamion: ok, it's a shame I didn't know about it before last week :(11:32
Kamionstvn: we didn't go public until mid-September11:33
stvnI just converted the last computer of my housemates to debian, and ubuntu would have been perfect for mine/their needs :(11:33
JStrikeKamion : Are you one of the packagers?11:33
KamionJStrike: yes11:33
stvnKamion: ah that explains, I was away for a month starting half september, I came back and discovered ubuntu, wondering why I didn't knew it before11:33
KamionJStrike: the example I'm thinking of is libc6/libdb1-compat, although of course you wouldn't install those two from scratch11:34
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JStrikeIs there any chance you could package gnome-bt (http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/) and build it against ubuntu? The debs it supplies are built against a newer version of python11:35
__danielJStrike, it's in jdub's repository11:36
JStrikeKamion : True11:36
JStrikejdub has a repo? 11:36
__danielJStrike, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./11:36
__danielJStrike: just a small one11:36
neuro_handy if you have anything bluetooth related i spose :)11:37
__danielneuro_, it's cool11:37
vincent???? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/gdm-human.jpg 11:37
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KamionJStrike: I'm fairly specialised, and not towards the desktop; I guess jdub will upload that himself eventually11:38
stvnneuro_: ?11:39
joemI installed gnome-btdownload from those debs, there was no issue11:39
punkass__what does multiverse11:39
punkass__thanks for being so clear11:39
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Kamionpunkass__: unsupported non-free packages11:39
punkass__i thought that was universe. or are thse more unsupported non-free packages11:40
neuro_which is handy as fsck, as I couldn't get mplayer to install from marillat11:40
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__danielgood night11:40
Kamionpunkass__: universe => unsupported but free11:40
Phr0stByteneuro_: mine works great11:41
punkass__ah ok thanks..11:41
JStrike*cough* get gstreamer--ffmpeg in multiverse11:41
brettcarIs it possible to install right from the LiveCD?11:41
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xskoulaxlamont ^11:42
JStrikeunless I am going crazy, I dont see it in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/11:43
lamontliveCD has no install components11:43
JStrikeunless it is libgnomebt011:43
xskoulaxlamont: anychance that will be added?11:43
willgoodnight peeps! im off11:43
lamontin the 4MB of CD space left?  I kinda doubt that.11:43
JStrikeIt just seems to contains the gnome-bluetooth stuff11:43
cprovhi, guys, somebody can tel me why pylint isn't included yet on warty-universe ?11:44
xskoulaxahhhhh kinda packed i take it11:44
xskoulaxfair enuf11:44
brettcarAlas, thats too bad11:44
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lamontcprov: that's a source package name?11:44
JStrikejoem : Where did you see gnome-btdownload there?11:45
lamontcprov: appears to be a source package, so that would mean that it was added to debian after June 2811:45
wolf2945hey, im trying to install warty-install-amd64. on base install i get linux-image-amd64-generic has an error, cant install. redownloaded the RC and burned it again, same thing. any ideas?11:46
joemJStrike, on the sf site11:46
Kamionwolf2945: worked for me with both the RC and today's daily ...11:47
Kamionwolf2945: switch to tty3 and see if there's more detail there11:47
neuro_ah to have problems with amd6411:47
wolf2945says that package is not installable11:47
wolf2945stat error11:47
JStrikejoem : Oh? It doesn't work for me. Seems to need a newer version of python-gtk11:47
neuro_i'd happily put up with probs if someone chucked me some adm-64 kit :>11:48
joem2.4 is available11:48
JStrikejdub : ping11:48
joemdon't remember if it is universe or main11:48
Kamionwolf2945: can you quote exactly?11:48
JStrikeIt is?11:48
Kamionparaphrased error messages are difficult to make out11:48
cprovlamont: yes, Aug 16th ..11:48
wolf2945on another kvm port, will take a few11:48
JStrikeLet me look11:48
lamontcprov: upstream freeze was June 28.11:49
lamonthence hoary11:49
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Kamionin the case of w32codecs I might suspect legality11:51
Kamioneverything in multiverse still has to be distributable ...11:51
cprovlamont: ok, is there any chance to include it in universe now ? or should I use the debian package ?11:51
jdubJStrike: mmm?11:51
JStrikejoem : That doesn't seem to be the problem. I have 2.4 installed 11:51
wolf2945Kamion, /var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_warty_main_binary-amd64_Packages - stat no such file or directory11:51
joemthen whats its deal11:52
Kamionwolf2945: suggests problems reading the disk to me; I'm quite surprised it got that far ...11:52
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lamontcprov: grab the debian sources and build against warty would be the best plan11:52
wolf2945i see the files in the iso. i guess ill try another disk11:52
JStrikenot sure. Vague error message11:52
Kamionwolf2945: bizarre; sorry, honestly don't see what could be wrong, as I say it's been working for me on amd6411:53
wolf2945what board?11:53
cprovlamont: thanks, I'll do it :)11:53
Kamionthat's a very odd place for a failure11:53
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Kamionwolf2945: VIA of some variety11:53
wolf2945ive got a k8v se dx with 3200+ and fx5200, hopefully will go good11:54
JStrikeoops...my bad11:54
KamionI don't remember the details, just bought the cheapest amd64 box I could find :)11:55
Kamion(since I needed it for work)11:55
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wolf2945"work" heh11:55
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Kamionwolf2945: well, Ubuntu *is* my job ...11:56
ben54hi dudes :)11:56
JStrikejoem : Does it register with firefox?11:56
wolf2945a few games help kill time too i hope11:56
joemJStrike, I use epiphany11:56
Kamionwolf2945: don't have windows installed, so no11:56
cristianKamion: what's the ubuntu way to compile a custom kernel, does make-kpkg applies as in debian?11:57
wolf2945dont need windows for games, but anyways11:57
Kamionwolf2945: true, but still no filesystem survives long enough on that box to be worth bothering installing games on11:57
ben54i have a small problem with Ubunutu and SpeedStep : the conf file seems to not be used, but if I laucnh cpufreqd in a terminal11:57
ben54it works fine11:57
Kamionwolf2945: it's one of my installer crash test dummy boxes11:57
Kamioncristian: make-kpkg is usable, yes11:58
jdubJStrike: you pinged?11:58
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cristianKamion: thanks11:58
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Kamioncristian: (or, at least, should be; haven't tested it myself)11:59
JStrikejdub : I was told you had created an ubuntu packaged version of gnome-btdownload, but I cant find it in your repo. Is it still around somewhere?11:59
jdubwhat's btdownload?11:59
jdubi have all of edd's bluetooth packages11:59

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