[12:00] <SmokingFire> Debian might has the same as Ubuntu but on my PC, I just pop in the CD and boot -install and the default desktop is already very usable.
[12:00] <Kimiko> well if you want bleeding edge stuff you should just roll your own binaries and use CVS to keep up-to-date
[12:00] <jdub> Kimiko: my mum disagrees with you.
[12:01] <SmokingFire> Thats also why I like the one CD, I get it as I need it.
[12:01] <mirak_> smokingfire, 1 cd also makes it a bit more newb friendly........at least for me...hehe
[12:01] <xskoulax> jdub, you bastion of humanity! you typed mum instead of that mom crap i have to put up with
[12:02] <ploum> Kimiko, I don't think you will have any problem
[12:02] <Mitario> hello everyone
[12:02] <ploum> what your network card ?
[12:02] <mirak_> kimiko, you a newb???....if that is the case...ubuntu is really friendly
[12:02] <Kimiko> no i'm not a newbie
[12:03] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: but your noob?
[12:03] <mirak_> kimiko, oh....sorry for implying
[12:03] <Kimiko> i've used redhat for a long time but switched to debian when it got too commercial
[12:03] <neuro_> we need some sort of NewbieGauge in here :)
[12:03] <Kimiko> i've used debian for a few years now
[12:03] <mirak_> <------------newb
[12:03] <mirak_> haha
[12:03] <Kimiko> it's okay, but i don't like to wait for gnome and X packages
[12:03] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: Yes but debian doesn't count, debian only supports one mouse button
[12:03] <Kimiko> redhat was better in that regard
[12:04] <mirak_> but i must say that hanging out in irc chat i learn real fast, just pick up on things
[12:04] <jdub> Kimiko: ubuntu releases a preview release on the same day gnome releases
[12:04] <Kimiko> sounds good
[12:04] <dieman_> hrm
[12:04] <Mithrandir> jdub: "incidentially". ;)
[12:04] <dieman_> this is odd
[12:04] <xskoulax> comes with gnome 2.8 as standard
[12:04] <dieman_> i can't seem to get passwd to do updates to nis via pam
[12:04] <Kimiko> i think debian sid is up-to-date with gnome 2.8 mostly by now
[12:05] <ericf> I'd like to use the kernel .config file the default ubuntu kernel uses, to change it only a bit. Where can i find that config file?
[12:05] <SmokingFire> was just thinking that my IRC client need the option "filter" which will filter out all conversations except the one you want to follow. This is as sometimes I go back in the history of the client (scroll up) but its hard to follow a conversation that way.
[12:06] <jdub> ericf: /boot/
[12:06] <Kimiko> @smokingfire: can't you just 'ignore' those not participating in that thread?
[12:06] <ericf> jdub: thanks!
[12:06] <Bliksem> how do i fond all running processes?
[12:06] <Bliksem> *find
[12:06] <xskoulax> SmokingFire: that would be a nice thing to have, dunno how you could implement it though
[12:07] <Bliksem> I want to start removing things i dont need running
[12:07] <lamont> jdub (et al): in evo, my wife clicks on a URL in the message (which conveniently says click to open when you mouse over it), and no browser window opens...
[12:07] <mirak_> would be tuff, as new ppl join the convo all the time
[12:07] <lamont> what do I need to install/configure to make her happy?
[12:07] <Kimiko> all running processes? or just the ones with windows?
[12:07] <neuro_> you get used to multi-threaded convos on irc after a while :)
[12:08] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: not talking about like live talking but for example often I let my computer running and IRC logged in, when I'm not there. 
[12:08] <Bliksem> all processes
[12:08] <lamont> neuro_: or your head implodes
[12:08] <neuro_> lamont: or that
[12:08] <mirak_> lol
[12:08] <xskoulax> lamont: i'm not going to answer that question ;-)
[12:08] <neuro_> wait, wait ...
[12:08] <neuro_> no, not exploded yet
[12:08] <ericf> why does it look like the kernel source packages (  apt-cache search kernel source | grep source ) are only up to 2.6.7, when ubuntu ships 2.6.8.1 ?
[12:08] <Kimiko> used to be called 'ps', bliksem
[12:08] <mirak_> smokingfire...i havent left the room since my ubuntu install
[12:09] <neuro_> cue a round of /whois'es
[12:09] <tolle> ericf: they newest sources are named linux-sources
[12:09] <thursday> does anyone have an access point that doesn't broadcast it's ssid that they've been able to connect to successfully from linux?
[12:09] <ericf> aaah thanks tolle
[12:09] <Bliksem> Kimiko, I want to edit what processes start at startup
[12:09] <jdub> lamont: what does desktop preferences > preferred applications say?
[12:10] <Kimiko> system boot, or gnome login?
[12:10] <Bliksem> both
[12:10] <Kimiko> system boot: don't know what ubuntu uses, but for debian it's in /etc/init.d/
[12:11] <inklingx> Bliksem: rcconf
[12:11] <Kimiko> gnome login: prefs->sessions
[12:12] <thully__> I'm having problems w/APM (my system freezes on resume sometimes, and it seems a tad more unstable) - should I report these as bugs?
[12:12] <dieman_> lamont: hey
[12:12] <dieman_> lamont: do you happen to have a nis testbed anywhere to see if you can recreate a bug?
[12:12] <Kimiko> thully: only useful if you can figure out what causes it
[12:12] <thully__> ACPI works, but resume takes 10% of my battery per hour
[12:13] <thully__> It happens occasionally when I use APM suspend
[12:13] <thully__> What is more stable on Linux - APM or ACPI?
[12:14] <thully__> I'm on ACPI now - but wish I could use suspend without using 10% of my battery per hour
[12:14] <mirak_> thully__, that does kinda suck
[12:15] <Kimiko> sounds more like a bios setup problem than a linux problem
[12:15] <thully__> I have a ThinkPad T42 - supposedly this is a known problem
[12:15] <thully__> I updated the BIOS 2 weeks ago
[12:16] <thully__> I haven't quit - I just had some network trouble and my ghost user quit
[12:17] <LeeColleton> is there going to be a live CD for PPC for the final version of Warty?
[12:17] <lamont> jdub: turns out that installing mozilla-firefox fixed the problem... :-_
[12:17] <lamont> :-)
[12:17] <dieman_> lamont: nevermind
[12:18] <lamont> dieman_: yellow plague?  don't have any of it
[12:18] <dieman_> lamont: found a bug in libpam-modules, have a nice day :)
[12:18] <scabbers> Is there going to be a gdm theme that is not as ugly as the one it has now
[12:18] <mirak_> hahaha
[12:18] <jdub> lamont: hrm. :)
[12:18] <Kamion> LeeColleton: doubt it, unless lamont has something special up his sleeve
[12:18] <lamont> time to drag mitzi's computer forward from sounder 6 or so.
[12:18] <Kimiko> check out http://art.gnome.org/ and http://www.gnome-look.org/ for GDM themes
[12:19] <Kamion> lamont: whee!
[12:19] <lamont> LeeColleton: look for a live CD/ppc in the hoary timeframe
[12:19] <scabbers> It seems so gay to have that shirtless guy on there
[12:19] <lamont> LeeColleton: you still may not find it, of course. :-)
[12:19] <mirak_> hahahaha
[12:19] <Kamion> scabbers: there was a fair bit of discussion in the community meeting today, and some changes are planned, although I don't know the details; Mark will be announcing them later.
[12:19] <Ng> scabbers: how old are you? ;)
[12:19] <Kimiko> there are more women in there than men, so I doubt it would be gay if you're a guy
[12:19] <lamont> 248 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:19] <scabbers> 40
[12:19] <lamont> hrm.
[12:20] <mirak_> yeah...2 on 1 isnt a bad idea
[12:20] <scabbers> I guess
[12:20] <scabbers> I do like the brown once logged in
[12:21] <thully> My system froze solid a few hours ago when using APM mode - do you think that could be overheating (since APM has no speedstep)
[12:21] <xskoulax> the brown right after login is delicious reminds me of chocolate
[12:22] <Kimiko> well it's been nice meeting y'all. I'll ponder this ubuntu thing some more
[12:23] <xskoulax> my only complaint is with the new desktop the girls could do with being taller, i can cope with the guys chest there it just needs company ;-)
[12:23] <will> does anyone have to acpi=force to get it working?
[12:23] <will> in grun
[12:23] <will> grub even
[12:24] <cianid3> nope
[12:25] <will> humm
[12:25] <mirak_> xskoulax, that is funny
[12:25] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know what starts dhclient on startup?  I can't find it in init.d scripts.  I want to disable it and use dhcpcd instead
[12:26] <pixelmonkey> unfortunately I can't apt-get remove it since it's part of ubuntu-base.
[12:26] <cianid3> that sucks
[12:27] <dmzen> hi, is someone willing/able to answer a scanner question
[12:27] <SmokingFire> about the smoothwall router/firewall, I see nothing about its requirements (hardware).
[12:30] <dieman_> ok
[12:30] <dieman_> that bug is abotu as focused as I'll get it
[12:32] <cristian> what is the ubuntu way of administering init scripts and runlevel? I'd be grateful to have something cli-based that's not update-rc.d
[12:34] <calc> cristian: rm, cp?
[12:34] <cianid3> smokingfire: it requires practically nothing
[12:34] <cianid3> what are you trying to install it on?
[12:34] <ericf> the ubuntu faq says there are optimized kernel packages for k7, but with 'apt-cache search' I really can't find any of them. What should be the correct name of the package?
[12:34] <SmokingFire> but ram,vga graphs?
[12:34] <jdub> ericf: apt-cache search linux image k7
[12:35] <cianid3> i used smoothwall headless with 64 megs of ram
[12:35] <cianid3> on a pII 233mhz
[12:35] <cianid3> ericf they are in the universal repository
[12:35] <SmokingFire> cianid3: I'm just informing but I was looking for something for a 486/386 as can get those for free.
[12:36] <dieman_> mdz: check out the changelog for 0.75-2 :)
[12:36] <cristian> calc: and not ln? be serious
[12:36] <cianid3> should run fine on a 486
[12:36] <cianid3> you may want to turn off snort though
[12:36] <dieman_> mdz: oh, you did
[12:36] <ericf> hmmm... i see. But why is it that 'apt-cache search linux image k7' shows a lot of kernel-image-... entries, and 'dpkg -l kernel-image*' shows only kernel-image-2.4 ?
[12:36] <cianid3> search for 2.6.8.1
[12:36] <cianid3> or
[12:36] <cianid3> just 2.6.8
[12:36] <cianid3> that should show you all the kernel crap
[12:37] <ericf> ow that's only for lines of which 1 an image... it's the one for 386
[12:38] <gotd0t> can anybody help me set up my dual monitors?
[12:38] <ericf> foUr (4) lines i mena. headers and module-stuff are the other 3
[12:38] <ericf> i type like a drunk
[12:40] <matiashf> gotd0t: what kind of card do you have?
[12:41] <calc> cristian: yea ln would be good too
[12:42] <thursday> is gpdf only in universe?
[12:45] <eyal> hi, does anybody know how to get a sweex webcam to work? (sn9c102 module, loads fine, but then?)
[12:46] <SmokingFire> gpdf sucks, it crashes, don't know why as xpdf is it's base and that works
[12:49] <thursday> SmokingFire, hah i didn't know that. but since xpdf works and i was able to print them out... i guess i'm good :)
[12:50] <thursday> SmokingFire, do you edit a lot of word documents by any chance? I do because of school... would you recommend i stick with oo.o or go with abiword?
[12:51] <SmokingFire> thursday: I tried gpdf as I saw its UI on screenshots on the internet, but when I downloaded at installed it and then tried to open a PDF that worked in xpdf, after trying to go to the second page (or any page) of that pdf, it just stopped working. First page it showed but any other, navigating with scrollwheel or cursors, just didn't do anything then show and blanscreen and application becoming non responcive.
[12:51] <hazmat> gpdf has some issues
[12:51] <hazmat> for word compat oo.o is best
[12:52] <SmokingFire> I think abiword is nice plain RTF documents but OO.o is better when doing more advanced formating.
[12:52] <andril> hello all
[12:53] <SmokingFire> thursday: But if for school, why not just use rtf format? Its universal like the text format.
[12:53] <SmokingFire> thursday: but the best thing is to try and experiment and find out which on is best for you. 
[12:54] <thursday> SmokingFire, my school provides the school materials thru the website which come in .doc
[12:54] <xskoulax> thursday: yea even ms word can cope with rtf documents ;-)
[12:54] <thursday> but as for thing i compose myself i can use anything as long as it will let me do the standard formating stuff
[12:54] <SmokingFire> ooh, well there are ms word plugins for abiword if I'm correct.
[12:54] <cardador> thursday: abiword opens doc just fine
[12:54] <xskoulax> thursday: then you would be better off with OO.o then i would imagine
[12:55] <thursday> i tried install office with wine... but i only have office 2003 and it didnt like wine
[12:55] <mirak_> there are for openoffice for sure, but forgive me, as i did not participate in the whole convo
[12:55] <SmokingFire> and ask them to use a non proprietary format.
[12:56] <thursday> SmokingFire, if only it was that easy... although im curious to see what would happen if i sudgested it... hell i don't even know who i would sudgest it too
[12:56] <thursday> hmmm
[12:56] <SmokingFire> else ask them to buy you crossoffice and ms office.
[12:56] <thursday> i have ms office
[12:56] <SmokingFire> well don't tell them that
[12:56] <thursday> the version i own wont work with wine tho
[12:56] <SmokingFire> milk them out and they will perhaps use another document format.
[12:57] <thursday> yeah that's worth a shot... i'm going to look into that
[12:57] <SmokingFire> do you have an IT teacher at your school? I had at mine and he was also at the same time the networks guy.
[12:57] <thursday> anyone know how to get oo.o from using AA ? i have gnome set on monocrhome but oo.o is still AA'n the UI
[12:58] <thursday> im sure theres more than one it teacher its just a matter of finding one with sufficient influence
[12:58] <xskoulax> thursday: i can't see why they would have problems with using rtf, people using word can still open it so its not like it affects other users
[12:59] <SmokingFire> thursday: basically write a letter to your principal and vice people and tell them you are just a poor student and bla bla and also do that vocally.
[12:59] <thursday> yes but im sure that when they have standardized on a document format, it could prove difficult to convince them to switch to an alternative format
[01:00] <thursday> i got to university of phoenix... it's not your ordinary little school
[01:00] <SmokingFire> well just they just need to tell the teachers to save their lessons in rtf format.
[01:00] <thursday> the teachers don't publish the lessons
[01:00] <thursday> they have some board that aproves and publishes them i belive
[01:00] <xskoulax> thursday: the following link might be useful for your work should you decide to use OO.o, http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8225
[01:01] <thursday> xskoulax, thank you
[01:01] <SmokingFire> well, if they have an IT guy he could write a little vba script to convert all doc's into rtf. 
[01:01] <SmokingFire> they should that anyway.
[01:01] <SmokingFire> perhaps a script that converts doc's to rtf and pdf.
[01:02] <thursday> i agree with you... i'm going to look into it
[01:02] <thursday> it would be cool to have the material in a format other than word
[01:02] <SmokingFire> thursday: tell that its not such a big deal to have automated document conversion and just a one time investment.
[01:04] <SmokingFire> I'm using that they are using a content managment system written in ASP or PHP or JSP, when author attaches a document the CMS will check the doc format and convert if needed.
[01:04] <SmokingFire> using - thinking
[01:07] <SmokingFire> Is there any place to do suggestions on google?
[01:08] <SmokingFire> I would like the usenet (googlegroups) to display a mouse over text (yellow text box) showing the full subject of the post. Should be that huge to implement and also not making the webpages heavier.
[01:09] <eyal> hello, can anybody help me hook up a webcam -- i've never used video4linux before, i got the module to work but i don't know what i should do now ...
[01:13] <Ng> where's the filetypes config in gnome 2.8? specifically I want to setup a protocol handler, rather than a filetype
[01:13] <Ng> but that's where they used to live ;)
[01:13] <Ng> nevermind, found the gconf entries :)
[01:13] <mirak_> Despair, ?????are you here?????
[01:18] <mirak_> ooo....i get much better frame rates using xfce4 than gnome
[01:20] <occy> what's a good camera tool that is in Ubuntu?
[01:21] <occy> need to get pics off my camera via usb
[01:21] <mirak_> occy, cant you just mount the camera...and pull them off???
[01:21] <occy> don't think so...
[01:21] <azrail> What DE do you use?
[01:21] <mirak_> <-----newb...sorry
[01:21] <occy> DE?
[01:21] <azrail> DE = Desktop Environment
[01:22] <occy> oh, default GNome 2.8
[01:22] <occy> sorry
[01:22] <mirak_> would de be the same as wm??
[01:22] <mirak_> DE=WM ??
[01:22] <occy> mirak_, naw... window manager and desktop enviorn, not the same. 
[01:22] <mirak_> hmmmm.......
[01:22] <occy> mirak_, a desktop enviorn can have a window manager...
[01:22] <mirak_> ic ic
[01:22] <occy> or you can use a wm by itself without the DE
[01:22] <mirak_> i use xfce4......what is that...a DE or WM??
[01:23] <occy> mirak_, supposedly a DE.  :)
[01:23] <occy> seems more like a WM to me though. 
[01:23] <azrail> no
[01:23] <occy> a nice one though
[01:23] <mirak_> yeah.... i like it
[01:23] <occy> anyhoo... so my camera...
[01:23] <azrail> have you looked at gphoto?
[01:23] <mirak_> occy, sorry for stealing your thunder
[01:24] <azrail> :)
[01:24] <occy> no worries mirak_ ;)
[01:24] <mirak_> i have a question
[01:24] <azrail> shoot?
[01:24] <mirak_> if i open an app from terminal and close the terminal the app closes
[01:24] <azrail> true
[01:25] <occy> hmmm, gphoto2 seems like a command line tool...
[01:25] <azrail> mirak_: what is the question.
[01:25] <mirak_> but i opened xchat from terminal......moved it to another workspace,desktop, whatever, and used that terminal to open something else, then closed it....xchat stayed open
[01:25] <mirak_> why is that???
[01:25] <mirak_> i was getting to it
[01:25] <azrail> i am inpatient... :)
[01:25] <mirak_> lol
[01:26] <mirak_> oohhh...........nvm
[01:26] <azrail> ok
[01:26] <mirak_> duh.....
[01:26] <mirak_> i did "run program" for this xchat window not from terminal
[01:26] <mirak_> now that makes sence
[01:26] <occy> gp_port_read: Connection timed out
[01:26] <occy> *** Error (-6: 'Unsupported operation') ***
[01:27] <occy> :/
[01:27] <mirak_> what is that?
[01:27] <occy> The Fedora Core 1.0 tool read this camera just fine.
[01:27] <azrail> errors.
[01:27] <occy> :/
[01:27] <occy> which.... I think is based on gphoto
[01:27] <mirak_> hmmmm
[01:27] <azrail> kernel is the first thing that is coming to mind.
[01:27] <occy> bbiab
[01:28] <mirak_> can anyone help me to find out if my vid card is working properly?
[01:28] <azrail> yes
[01:28] <mirak_> wich i know isnt.hehe
[01:28] <mirak_> i have a ati radeon 7000/ve agp
[01:28] <azrail> ok
[01:29] <mirak_> i get fps of about 300, wilst someone in this room gets like 2000
[01:29] <mirak_> with the same card
[01:29] <azrail> okay...
[01:30] <mirak_> how to make it function properyly?
[01:30] <azrail> stop playing music, and any other program and run glxgears
[01:30] <mirak_> all i have open is xchat.........and so did he at the time of the test
[01:30] <azrail> open you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:31] <azrail> and what does your Section "Device" say
[01:31] <mirak_> give me a min....have to figure out how in xfce4
[01:32] <mirak_> ok it is open now
[01:33] <azrail> ok
[01:33] <azrail> what is the contents of your Section "Device"
[01:33] <mirak_> Section "Device"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	Identifier	"Generic Video Card"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	Driver		"ati"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[01:33] <thursday> is ubuntu going to use xorg?
[01:34] <Se7h> one question: is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:34] <mirak_> at final realease, thursday,
[01:34] <mirak_> thursday, so i hear
[01:34] <Kamion> mirak_: Wednesday.
[01:34] <Kamion> oh :-)
[01:34] <Kamion> sorry, failed to read
[01:34] <azrail> driver "radeon"
[01:35] <mirak_> azrail, just change it?
[01:35] <thursday> sweet!
[01:35] <cardador> anyone got totem to open movies subtitles?
[01:35] <azrail> mirak_, yea change default ati to radeon, you may have to go to www.ati.com to det a kernel module, or compile DRI into your kerenel.  I am not sure, I never used a ATI card before.
[01:36] <azrail> Kamion, what version of x.org?
[01:36] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hey everyone
[01:36] <mirak_> azrail, then i will leae it till i speak with someone who knows for sure
[01:36] <Ninjas-Rezatm> how do you disable unwanted services again?
[01:37] <mdz> mirak_: it's much simpler than that; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <Kamion> azrail: current I imagine, given we employ one of X.org upstream
[01:38] <toothpick> I got to complain...the graphics are getting a bit risque for my fifth grade class.
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> the only services tool I know how to use was /sbin/chkconfig
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> but ubuntu does not have that
[01:38] <toothpick> I did an apt-get upgrade and when I came back it had new graphics...with half naked people.
[01:38] <Kamion> toothpick: we had the community meeting on that earlier today; some changes are scheduled as a result of that meeting, although I don't know the details. Mark will be announcing them later.
[01:38] <Dethread> toothpick, yes, that's what everyone's complaining about
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> people don't like the 3 naked people?
[01:38] <toothpick> oh ok thanks...had I had a warning it would have been different.
[01:39] <toothpick> Not when I teach at an elementary school Ninjas-Rezatm 
[01:39] <Dethread> toothpick, you can always just choose a different theme
[01:39] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: i agree
[01:40] <toothpick> Well, I'm glad it's being addressed.
[01:40] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: where do you teach
[01:40] <mirak_> mdz, i tried that before and it broke X
[01:41] <mirak_> mdz, prob something i did wrong, but i dont want to re-iinstall again
[01:41] <toothpick> New Jersey
[01:42] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: that's cool, I'm glad that kids are using a linux OS
[01:42] <mirak_> mdz, i think i need a little bit more in depth how-to
[01:42] <toothpick> I plan on giving a live cd with some chess things out this year too.
[01:42] <Se7h> hello?
[01:42] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hello
[01:42] <Se7h> is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:43] <mdz> mirak_: well, if you find someone who has time to walk you through the process, please add your comments to the howto to improve it
[01:44] <mirak_> mdz, despair said he would help..........ill try to remember all of it to ad to the how to
[01:44] <Ninjas-Rezatm> Is there a program to see which services load at startup?
[01:50] <Dekkard> wow lots of updates
[01:51] <brettcar> Does Ubuntu have an RSS feed for package updates or announcements or anything like that?
[01:51] <mirak_> mdz, can you help me a min???
[01:52] <Dekkard> if you use sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get upgrade it will first print out all the new packages before asking if you wnat to install
[01:52] <mirak_> or you can use synaptic
[01:52] <Kamion> brettcar: we have the warty-changes mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com
[01:52] <brettcar> Okay, but no RSS feeds?
[01:52] <Dekkard> gcombust seems to have a problem with this being  sudo system
[01:52] <mdz> mirak_: I'm afraid not; I have too much work to do
[01:53] <Despair> mirak_ can't use FGLRX because it doesn't support Radeon 7000s.
[01:53] <mirak_> kk.......it was just a quick one though
[01:53] <Se7h> can anyone answer me ? o.0
[01:53] <Dekkard> firestarter firewall wants root pwd.. 
[01:53] <Despair> mirak_: back, btw
[01:53] <mirak_> despair, oooo......then can you help?
[01:53] <mirak_> despair, dont have to...i wont cry
[01:53] <Despair> sure, hold on though
[01:54] <mirak_> despairm take your time
[01:54] <Dekkard> wi Despair
[01:57] <__daniel> mirak_, whats the problem?
[02:03] <|trey|> Dekkard: start it via 'gksudo firestarter'
[02:04] <|trey|> Dekkard: ie, right click on the icon it created... go to "preferences" and type that in where it says "command"
[02:07] <Dekkard> for which app?
[02:07] <Dekkard> gcombust?
[02:08] <Dekkard> it say command gcombust
[02:08] <Dekkard> prollem is when i try to do writer configuration.. it wont recognize my burner
[02:08] <Dekkard> on slack it was 0,0,0
[02:15] <mirak_> __daniel, vid card problems
[02:15] <mirak_> __daniel, we are working on it
[02:16] <__daniel> okay
[02:20] <baHam> I have a .rar with a password on it.. how to unrar AND put the password?
[02:22] <__daniel> unrar xp <file>
[02:24] <__daniel> good night
[02:24] <dmzen> does ubuntu have any scanner support yet?
[02:25] <cianid3> it should
[02:25] <__daniel> dmzen, install the xsane package
[02:25] <cianid3> ubuntu is linux
[02:26] <cianid3> so anything you can do any other sistros should be possible
[02:26] <cianid3> distros*
[02:26] <__daniel> dmzen, and then look up /usr/share/doc/sane/ to find your scanner module
[02:27] <markoni> Now I can log in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/login_form ? I don't heve user name.
[02:28] <MyKq3> ????? ?? ??? 
[02:28] <MyKq3> ??? FREECIV2BETA !!!
[02:28] <__daniel> markoni, hit on "log in" then on "reset password"
[02:29] <sabdfl> markoni: we'll fix that shortly
[02:30] <baHam> hey
[02:30] <baHam> how can I extract a password protected file ?
[02:30] <baHam> ;_;
[02:30] <__daniel> baHam, i told you: unrar px <file> :-)
[02:32] <mirak_> despair, i am back
[02:34] <baHam> __daniel, doesnt work
[02:34] <baHam> __daniel, he gives me the list of commands
[02:38] <__daniel> baHam, well, read the list:    unrar x -p <file>   :-)
[02:38] <tolstoy> can I "build" a deb from the files on /pool/universe?
[02:39] <baHam> __daniel, thanks bud
[02:39] <__daniel> baHam, de rien :-)
[02:40] <Despair> btw, appears mirak_'s problem is the line `BusID "PCI:1:0:0"`
[02:40] <Despair> comment that out, and direct rendering works.
[02:40] <mirak_> 22035 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4407.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 17540 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3508.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 15562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3112.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21829 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21702 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4340.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4342.200 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21870 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4374.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 22212 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4442.400 FPS
[02:40] <Despair> mirak_: careful with the large pastes
[02:40] <mirak_> 21966 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4393.200 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4327.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 19779 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3955.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 19859 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3971.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> it gets better
[02:40] <mirak_> i dont get fps this good in windows
[02:41] <mirak_> i know.........its just me and you though
[02:41] <Despair> no, you pasted to #ubuntu
[02:41] <mirak_> OMG.....i am so sorry
[02:41] <mirak_> i said i was sorry
[02:41] <Zindar> hello
[02:41] <__daniel> i was just kidding, sorry
[02:42] <baHam> mirak it's ok, but next time just avoid
[02:42] <__daniel> you'd better send me to bed
[02:42] <mirak_> baham, i thought i was on the other tab......i apologize
[02:42] <baHam> no problem ;>
[02:43] <mirak_> but did you see those framerates.hehe
[02:43] <JanneM> Despair: where was that line?
[02:44] <mirak_> ive never seen em this good from this card
[02:44] <JanneM> I get lousy framerates on my nvidia
[02:44] <JanneM> haven't bothered to fix it yet, though
[02:44] <Despair> JanneM: change `BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to `# BusID "PCI:1:0:0"` in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:44] <JanneM> ok
[02:45] <mirak_> jannem, it works wonders
[02:45] <Despair> basically, it cures getting indirect rendering because Ubuntu told X to look at your onboard video instead of addon card.
[02:45] <JanneM> never seen that direcive in X
[02:45] <Despair> BusID is handy if you have multiple of the same card, to specify which is used for what.
[02:45] <JanneM> ok
[02:46] <JanneM> we'll see if it helps when I get to work
[02:46] <Dekkard> Despair that is for what Nforce boards?
[02:46] <__daniel> xskoulax, :-)
[02:46] <Despair> anything where you have an onboard card you aren't using.
[02:46] <JanneM> new to debian-like OS:s, but won't there be trouble with hand-editing config files that are supposed to be managed by dpkg?
[02:47] <Despair> it seems the X configurator doesn't test to make sure it's matching PCI address to the right chipset.
[02:47] <Despair> read the start of the file if you are worried about that.
[02:48] <xskoulax> __daniel: i hope that smile isn't indicating you are getting any ideas ;-)
[02:48] <JanneM> ok
[02:49] <tolstoy> how do you install a deb file sitting on your file system?
[02:50] <aitrus> dpkg -i file.deb
[02:50] <tolstoy> dpkg install?  Hm.
[02:50] <__daniel> xskoulax, i think i'll go to bed now, my dog is already snoring... and i'm getting tired to :-)
[02:51] <xskoulax> __daniel: have a good night then
[02:52] <__daniel> xskoulax: sleep tight
[02:53] <tolstoy> Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!
[02:53] <aitrus> now you've gone and done it
[02:53] <tolstoy> I wish packages in universe would actually be there!
[02:54] <tolstoy> sbcl from debian requires a version of common-lisp-controller > ubuntu's version.
[02:56] <tolstoy> with rpm, you could at least rpmbuild -ta tarfile.tgz and have something you can install.
[02:57] <aitrus> tolstoy: you can use checkinstall
[02:58] <aitrus> get the source you need... unpackage it... configure ; make ; sudo checkinstall -D
[02:58] <aitrus> it creates a deb package for you and installs it
[02:59] <aitrus> or
[02:59] <aitrus> you can get the rpm
[02:59] <aitrus> and use alien to install it
[02:59] <JanneM> would be nice with a wiki page with "debian for virgins" type info
[03:00] <aitrus> i'd like a "Debian for RedHat users" page
[03:00] <JanneM> since many of us know linux pretty well, but hav enever used a debian-based system before
[03:00] <tolstoy> aitrus, what about the stuff in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sbcl/.  Can I use that to make a deb?
[03:00] <tolstoy> JanneM, I hear you.  I'm mainly interested in getting a dependency that didn't seem to get built in the universe repo.
[03:01] <tolstoy> JanneM, not sure I really want to package stuff --- yet.
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: looks like it... 
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: it looks like you can download that stuff, apply the patch, and go from tehre
[03:01] <JanneM> tolstoy: I've sort of been looking at packaging a bat as well - no idea where to start, thoug
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: however, i'm a debian n00b and dont' know how to create .debs other than using checkinstall
[03:01] <tolstoy> aitrus, is that .dsc file the deb control file?
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: don't know
[03:02] <JanneM> since there's a missing packagein Universe, and I would really like to tweak another one a bit before install
[03:02] <tolstoy> Alas, I don't even know how to apply the patch.
[03:03] <aitrus> untar the source and patch
[03:03] <aitrus> cd source
[03:03] <aitrus> patch -p1 < ../patch
[03:03] <aitrus> or maybe -p0
[03:03] <aitrus> there's also a tutorial on creating .debs on the net
[03:03] <tolstoy> Well, that seems easy. ;)
[03:04] <tolstoy> aitrus, I've seen one of 'em, but it seemed to require you to be familiar with the project you're debbing up. ;)
[03:04] <aitrus> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[03:04] <tolstoy> hm. that's not the one I saw, i'll have to read it.
[03:04] <aitrus> i think you need to setup a fake root kinda like /usr/src/rpm for rpms
[03:04] <tolstoy> yeap.
[03:05] <aitrus> i believe there is a package in universe for that
[03:05] <tolstoy> with rpm, you included a little script that did it. praps the same with debian, sort of.
[03:06] <tolstoy> Alas, but sbcl requires sbcl to build.  this should be interesting.
[03:12] <tolstoy> I think it was patch -p1.
[03:13] <PandU> Where can I change the login splash photo
[03:14] <mirak_> yeah...and less than 1 minute wait is alot better than 65 mins
[03:14] <Scognito> hi
[03:14] <aitrus> tolstoy: there are two packages you'll probably want: devscripts and fakeroot
[03:14] <Despair> right click and hunt through options, change the gdm theme
[03:14] <aitrus> Despair: that's the login screen, not the splash...
[03:14] <Scognito> is there some schedule calendar of ubuntu releases?
[03:14] <aitrus> err... maybe that's what he wants though
[03:14] <tolstoy> aitrus, okay, while sbcl is building, I'll see if I can apt'em.
[03:15] <Despair> aitrus: ah, I disabled that and forgot about it.
[03:15] <PandU> ok where from to change the login screen
[03:15] <aitrus> PandU: if you want to change the login screen (where you type your username and password) Despair was right
[03:16] <aitrus> Computer->System Config->Login Screen Setup
[03:16] <aitrus> if you want to change your splash screen (the thing that show's what's loading after you login while Gnome is starting up).... i don't remember... =)
[03:17] <jdub> it's in the FAQ
[03:17] <jdub> on the wiki
[03:17] <PandU> no, i wont to change the screen that comes after you type the login password and enter
[03:17] <jdub> PandU: FAQ on the wiki
[03:17] <Skif> that's in the FAQ
[03:17] <tolstoy> damn!  sbcl doesn't build!
[03:17] <aitrus> too bad the topic is too big to read where the faq is...
[03:18] <aitrus> tolstoy: maybe that's why it isn't in universe... =)
[03:18] <tolstoy> aitrus, I suspect as much.
[03:18] <tolstoy> I just wish I knew who to contact about it.
[03:19] <aitrus> there should be a readme or something in the root level of the source file
[03:19] <aitrus> (that tar.gz file)
[03:19] <aitrus> readme or authors or install or something like that
[03:19] <tolstoy> I already wrote to him, but he says, "I'm not part of the ubuntu project", which means maybe it works on debian itself.
[03:20] <aitrus> it should still build on ubuntu
[03:20] <baietas> anyone got ubuntu to recognize their ATAPI CDWriter? ( I Have a CD/DVD Writer ) any tips on how to get it to work?
[03:20] <aitrus> baietas: mine is recognized
[03:20] <aitrus> baietas: what are you trying to use to burn?
[03:21] <baietas> cdrecord can't find it...
[03:21] <baietas> what are you useing?
[03:21] <aitrus> nautilus
[03:21] <aitrus> are you saying:  cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus
[03:21] <baietas> cdrecord://?
[03:21] <baietas> where do i say that?
[03:21] <aitrus> burn:///
[03:22] <baietas> oh no i just run cdrecord as root... 
[03:22] <baietas> sorry i'm stupid
[03:22] <aitrus> if you want to use nautilus, open nautilus and select Go->CD Creator
[03:22] <aitrus> if you are using cdrecord
[03:22] <baietas> it must be a cdrecord interface i'm using
[03:22] <aitrus> then - at the command-line - ....
[03:23] <aitrus> what are you usign??
[03:23] <baietas> xcdroast
[03:23] <aitrus> okay
[03:23] <aitrus> well
[03:23] <baietas> nautillus doesnt have Go->Cd Creator .. or it doensnt have Places - > Cd Creator
[03:23] <aitrus> xcdroast has never worked for me
[03:23] <WW_> lamont?
[03:24] <baietas> oh its good to know :)
[03:24] <baietas> lemme try a cd bith burn :)
[03:24] <aitrus> do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?
[03:24] <baietas> yes i do
[03:25] <baietas> it went to burn:// ( open location burn://) so i'm gonna give it a shot
[03:25] <WW_> I know lamont was building the LiveCD.  Any other Ubuntu folks familiar with issues in the latest version?
[03:26] <aitrus> i'll be you are still using nautilus in spatial mode...
[03:26] <aitrus> s/be/bet/g
[03:27] <WW_> I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.
[03:27] <WW_> I'm pretty sure it "broke" after trying a test version of the LiveCD.
[03:28] <Skif> WW_: huh... I had lost it similarly, UNTIL I install ubuntu :)
[03:28] <WW_> Any chance there is a simple way to turn it back on?
[03:28] <lamont> WW_: sup?
[03:28] <WW_> ^
[03:29] <lamont> that's a keymap question...
[03:29] <lamont> daniels: you here
[03:29] <lamont> ?
[03:29] <WW_> Is keymap a hardware thing?  
[03:31] <daniels> lamont: sup?
[03:31] <WW_> lamont: By the way, I tried the 20041018-18 build on a Dell Latitude C800.  X didn't work.
[03:31] <baietas> aitrus it works:) thank you :)) :) :) 
[03:31] <lamont> daniels: <WW_> I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.
[03:31] <daniels> the touchpad thing sounds like total bong, given we specifically enable it
[03:31] <daniels> try installing the synaptics driver (www.synaptics.com) in Windows and tooling around with it, see if that igves you your badclick back
[03:32] <xskoulax> since we're on the subject of laptops, anyone tried a vaio fxa53?
[03:32] <aitrus> baietas: excellent
[03:33] <tolstoy> well, seems that sbcl in universe is OLD.  Can't be compiled by a newer version of itself.
[03:34] <lamont> xskoulax: pcg-fxa53 here
[03:34] <lamont> running both warty and the livecd
[03:34] <lamont> albeit with some livecd issues.. :-(
[03:34] <baietas> aitrus: what program do you use to burn cd / dvd immages or audio tracks?
[03:34] <xskoulax> anything special you had to do after install to get things working right/
[03:34] <xskoulax> ?
[03:35] <aitrus> baietas: i havne't burned any dvd's.  for audio stuff i'm using a command-line perl script
[03:36] <baietas> nautilus seems to know what media you put in :D nice nice
[03:36] <WW_> aitrus: Use tab-completion?
[03:36] <xskoulax> lol @aitrus
[03:36] <aitrus> baietas: i believe that nautilus will burn audio cds.. you just can't order them without renaming the files
[03:37] <aitrus> WW_: type a<tab>  =)
[03:37] <WW_> aitrus: sure, but ai<tab> works fine
[03:37] <tolstoy> aitrus, I think they took that out of nautilus in current (2.6, 2.8) versions.
[03:38] <aitrus> my nick is easy to complete.  1 left-hand character, 1 right-hand character.  and no one else has an ai-- name
[03:38] <aitrus> tolstoy: dooooh!!!
[03:38] <aitrus> okay, i guess i lied
[03:38] <aitrus> i do that sometime
[03:38] <aitrus> s
[03:38] <aitrus> just like the CherryOS people!
[03:38] <tolstoy> apparently, they meant it to just be quick and dirty, but people were asking for all sorts of features.
[03:39] <tolstoy> so they decided to leave it to rhythmbox and/or muine.
[03:39] <aitrus> there is supposed to be a really cool gnome cd-burning library in development... but it's taking forever
[03:39] <tolstoy> so, when they put together a "universe" or a repo, how to they compile all the debs?
[03:40] <aitrus> tolstoy: with scripts
[03:40] <tolstoy> sbcl didn't compile for me because the old version violated some boundries present in the new version.
[03:40] <aitrus> tolstoy: i don't know specifically about ubuntu, but when i was an rpm maintainer for a project, we had a build machien with different roots that you just dumped your srpm into and it compiled them for you
[03:40] <tolstoy> I wonder if I could report to them that it "broke" due to that, and they ought to fix it.
[03:41] <tolstoy> aitrus, so you might have a problem if the gcc on that machine couldn't compile the gcc srpm, eh?
[03:41] <tolstoy> I think that's the case here.
[03:42] <aitrus> tolstoy: well, actually, with gcc you can compile cross compile
[03:42] <aitrus> ah!
[03:42] <aitrus> you can cross compile
[03:44] <xskoulax> lamont: you around?
[03:44] <lamont> yo
[03:44] <xskoulax> anything special you had to do with the fxa to get stuff working right?
[03:44] <xskoulax> or was it good out of the box
[03:46] <lamont> xskoulax: was a criteria machine for out-of-the-box.. :-)
[03:46] <lamont> hence, just works
[03:47] <xskoulax> looks like that xp install's days are numbered
[03:48] <xskoulax> i take it you are involved in the live-cd project?
[03:54] <lamont> xskoulax: I'm the guy what has to build it.
[03:54] <lamont> and all the other binaries.
[03:54] <xskoulax> gotta say after 2 days this distro owns
[03:54] <aitrus> that's p4wns"
[03:55] <aitrus> ;-)
[03:55] <xskoulax> if you wanna be 1337
[03:55] <aitrus> http://tresgeek.net/~aitrus/owned.gif
[03:55] <xskoulax> seriously though this is exactly what i've been looking for in a distro
[03:56] <xskoulax> smart application choice and no bloat
[03:57] <WW_> aitrus: Hilarious!
[03:57] <aitrus> OWNED!
[03:58] <aitrus> i still laugh everytime i see that
[03:58] <xskoulax> oh yes i remember seeing that
[03:58] <azrail> question: I am looking to add a package to the ubuntu tree, whom do I talk to about doing such
[04:05] <Kamion> azrail: ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <Kamion> azrail: (consider whether it wants to go to Debian first and from there into Ubuntu; it'll depend on the circumstances)
[04:06] <azrail> kamion, good deal
[04:06] <gotd0t> I'm having a little trouble wiht my display... i get wierd discolorations
[04:17] <baHam> is there any way to mount a .cue & .bin file somewhere so that I can install something ?
[04:19] <aitrus> aren't you mr. warez from last nite?
[04:19] <aitrus> ever get UT going?
[04:20] <baHam> ahah
[04:20] <baHam> yea ut is working
[04:20] <baHam> very fine
[04:20] <baHam> ;P
[04:21] <baHam> now I am trying to install fifa
[04:21] <baHam> I just dont have 800MB cd-r's
[04:21] <baHam> and on my dvd-rw's are too many important files to erase
[04:25] <xskoulax> aitrus: consider it reperations for making software designed for windows only ;-)
[04:25] <xskoulax> makes my consience clear
[04:25] <aitrus> since when is UT windows only?
[04:26] <baHam> ut is not windows only rotfl
[04:26] <baHam> there is also a linux cd version
[04:26] <baHam> nab
[04:26] <aitrus> yeah, i know.  i own it
[04:26] <smo> I haven't heard of a native port of fifa, however
[04:27] <aitrus> as in supported the company who is supporting my choice
[04:27] <aitrus> (to run linux)
[04:29] <tolstoy> aitrus, checkinstall you say?  Hm.
[04:29] <baHam> smo, it is supported by cedega, it runs very good
[04:31] <tolstoy> aitrus, I bet sbcl (common lisp) is too freaky for this to work, but I'm going to try it anyway.
[04:33] <tolstoy> interesting, a 580 byte deb.
[04:33] <tolstoy> I bet checkinstall is for C programs.
[04:33] <xskoulax> aitrus: i was refering to fifa
[04:33] <xskoulax> actually
[04:34] <Se7h> is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[04:35] <gotd0t> does anybody happen to know where the gaim logs are stored?
[04:35] <Kamion> tolstoy: don't think checkinstall cares, AIUI it operates on directory trees
[04:35] <Kamion> tolstoy: (I don't see how it could care, TBH)
[04:36] <tolstoy> Kamion, well, it seemed to have created an empty deb.  Thing is, I don't think sbcl (steel-bank common lisp) has a "make install," for instance.
[04:36] <baietas> what /dev/ is nautilus using for cdburning
[04:37] <tolstoy> Kamion, it has "install.sh".
[04:39] <tolstoy> Kamion, doesn't seem to be options for doing it other ways. sbcl doesn't even use "install", but, rather, cp. ;)
[04:39] <tolstoy> Ah, well.
[04:40] <punkass> anyone know why libjava-gnome packeges are not available?
[04:40] <punkass> and if i install the from debian..will it cause chaos to my system
[04:43] <jdub> punkass: check the build logs to see what's up
[04:43] <jdub> installing them from debian is not recommended
[04:43] <jdub> better to get the universe versions cleaned up
[04:43] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[04:44] <lamont> punkass: and if you can't find the build log there, pester me and I'll kick it again...
[04:45] <punkass> well i cant find any of these there: libjava-gnome-doc libgtk2-java libgnome2-java libglade2-java
[04:45] <lamont> punkass: need jdk, and there isn't one.
[04:46] <lamont> it's by source package name.
[04:46] <lamont> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/j/java-gnome/2.6.0.1-3/java-gnome_2.6.0.1-3_20040921-2008-i386-failed 
[04:47] <punkass> so they are only failing because there is now jdk installed?
[04:49] <punkass> lamont so is there a way around it? cuz i am assuming that there isnt going to be a jdk package anytime soon
[04:49] <gotd0t> does anybody know where the Gaim logs are stored?
[04:49] <punkass> /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim/
[04:49] <gotd0t> thanks
[04:49] <punkass> oh sorry
[04:49] <punkass> you want logs
[04:49] <Dethread> logs :)
[04:49] <punkass> i thought i read logo
[04:49] <punkass> lol
[04:49] <Dethread> I think in ~/.gaim
[04:49] <baHam> you can also watch the logs
[04:50] <smo> ~/.gaim/logs/ sounds so obvious, but oddly true :o)
[04:50] <baHam> if you right click on the name
[04:50] <baHam> and then => show logs
[04:50] <gotd0t> i need to back up the logs...
[04:50] <baHam> view log
[04:50] <baHam> oh ok :)
[04:50] <lamont> punkass: dunno, short of maybe build from source...
[04:51] <punkass> lamont: hmm ok...and installing the debian packages will probably cause me more headache than building them?
[04:51] <lamont> punkass: depends on how techincal you want to be...
[04:51] <lamont> the warty packages were built against warty libraries, likewise for debian packages.
[04:51] <punkass> i hava get back and learn some java but wanna be able to use native filedialogchoosers etc
[04:51] <lamont> some warty packages are newer than sid, some are older.
[04:52] <punkass> ah
[04:52] <lamont> hence, installing debian packages is "fraught with peril"
[04:52] <dave> question: when is x.org 6.8 getting in to the tree?
[04:52] <punkass> hehe doh
[04:52] <punkass> dave: next release
[04:52] <dave> as in 6 months from now?
[04:53] <Despair> punkass: I'd hope it'd get into testing before then... ;)
[04:53] <punkass> i belive so
[04:53] <dave> :(
[04:53] <punkass> ah cool
[04:53] <dave> isent sarge supposted to go stable soon?
[04:53] <punkass> well the officialness is in 6 months :)
[04:54] <baHam> man
[04:54] <baHam> why dont they hurry @ ubuntu
[04:54] <baHam> I want hoary sooner than april
[04:54] <baHam> :|
[04:55] <tolstoy> six months?  they'll be behind fedora!
[04:55] <punkass> lol.. id rather wait for stable than something sooner thats flaky
[04:56] <baHam> punkass, right 
[04:56] <baHam> punkass, xorg is cool.. I want my gaim to be transparent right now 
[04:56] <baHam> :|
[04:56] <punkass> i heard its not super stable tho
[04:56] <punkass> all depending on hardware etc
[04:57] <punkass> well hopefully Dispair is right and they will sneak it in earlier
[04:57] <punkass> Despair*
[04:58] <baHam> yea its not compatible with the nv/ati drivers i've heard
[05:07] <laander> being new to debian based distributions, can anyone explain what the command line/gui utility is to install a deb?
[05:07] <laander> if i download the deb directly
[05:08] <aitrus> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:08] <laander> thank you
[05:10] <xskoulax> anyone know if there is a gnome applet for checking gmail accounts?
[05:10] <defendguin> xskoulax, mail-notification available on gnomefiles.org
[05:10] <xskoulax> i'm thinking something that can sit at bottom corner of screen like trash can on ubuntu
[05:10] <xskoulax> defendguin: thx
[05:15] <thully> How do you re-compile the kernel w/all the Ubuntu patches and wi-fi drivers included, only adding software suspend to the kernel (can just be default software suspend, swsusp2 not necessary)
[05:19] <MyKq3> hello for some resone i can't aptget update any of this <http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive> mirrors. some one knows y ?
[05:29] <Ninjas-Rezatm> whats a good program for downloading mp3's
[05:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> or.. files in general
[05:30] <baHam> limewire
[05:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> for ubuntu?
[05:30] <Hmmmmm_> Ninjas-Rezatm, try limewire
[05:30] <Hmmmmm_> or use bt
[05:31] <MyKq3> for mp3z u can use Nicotine
[05:34] <dmzen> Does ubuntu include any scanner support?
[05:34] <dmzen> Does ubuntu include any scanner support?
[05:36] <dmzen> I have a hp 1210 all in one machine
[05:36] <dmzen> xsane says no supported devices
[05:38] <dmzen> "sane" at the command line returns "command not found"
[05:39] <aitrus> apt-get install sane
[05:39] <aitrus> well, if that's want you want to use...
[05:39] <aitrus> dunno about that xsane stuff..
[05:40] <aitrus> is yoru scanner usb?
[05:40] <MyKq3> when i run aptget update u resive this error 
[05:40] <MyKq3> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[05:40] <MyKq3> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[05:40] <MyKq3>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:40] <MyKq3> some one knows y ?
[05:40] <aitrus> MyKq3: just run it again
[05:40] <MyKq3> it gives me the same error 
[05:41] <MyKq3> no metter  how many times i run it again 
[05:41] <aitrus> i used to have that problem frequently, but now running the update a couple times fixes it... i never asked what the deal was, though
[05:42] <MyKq3> and when i m trying to use other mirrors he tells me that it can't connect to them 
[05:43] <finn> what is the preferred java to install on ubuntu?
[05:44] <lamont> finn: same question here, actually
[05:44] <MyKq3> finn,  what do u want to do with it /
[05:45] <finn> MyKq3, i would like to run azureu.  sablevm doens't work... i was thinking of installing sun j2re, but thought there might be a standard one in the repositories I just can't see
[05:46] <finn> azureus
[05:46] <lamont> there's also blackdown-j2re1.[34] debian
[05:47] <finn> lamont, is it in the standard apt sources? or do i need to add a debian soure?
[05:47] <lamont> standard apt sources, with multiverse component.
[05:47] <lamont> but it looks to be less than installable...
[05:48] <finn> ah.  will i break anything by running the sun j2re installer?
[05:48] <lamont> actually, the blackdown package is just the installer
[05:48] <lamont> you may not like the license
[05:50] <adam__> ok so if anyone here is big with ubuntu internet, i got orinoco_usb to work with 4.1RC
[05:50] <finn> hmm... might give blackdown a go then
[05:50] <adam__> on my compaq evo n800c
[05:51] <adam__> how do u add MP3 support?
[05:51] <cianid3> i have transparent windows in linux
[05:51] <cianid3> w00t
[05:52] <aitrus> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:52] <aitrus> there you go adam__
[05:53] <adam__> i think i tried that and it didn't work, let me try again.
[05:57] <adam__> there's no mp3 decoder...
[05:57] <aitrus> libmad
[05:57] <aitrus> gstreamer's mad plugin is what you use
[05:58] <aitrus> sudo aptget-install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:58] <adam__> it says that libmad0 is already installed.
[05:58] <aitrus> that's supposed to be apt-get install
[05:58] <aitrus> not aptget-install
[05:59] <adam__> didn't find it
[05:59] <adam__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:59] <aitrus> do you have the universe repository included?
[05:59] <adam__> Yes
[05:59] <adam__> i believe so
[05:59] <aitrus> check
[06:00] <crimsun> did you apt-get update or refresh in Synaptic?
[06:00] <adam__> grr.. 1sec
[06:01] <adam__> didn't find it
[06:01] <adam__> binary or source?
[06:01] <aitrus> binary
[06:02] <aitrus> sudo apt-get update
[06:02] <adam__> did it
[06:02] <adam__> didn't work
[06:02] <aitrus> did you get an error message or did your screen just go blank?
[06:02] <adam__> same one as i gave before
[06:02] <adam__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:02] <aitrus> when you did the update i mean
[06:02] <adam__> no errors
[06:03] <adam__> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:03] <aitrus> so you have the universe repo uncommented.  you updated your cache. there were no errors.  and yuou don't have gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:03] <adam__> Correct.
[06:03] <adam__> is there a way i can print out the servers apt-get is using?
[06:04] <adam__> want to make sure again that its there.
[06:04] <crimsun> aitrus: apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:04] <crimsun> err, adam__ 
[06:04] <crimsun> sorry, aitrus :)
[06:04] <aitrus> heheheh
[06:04] <adam__> W: Unable to locate package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:05] <Zindaren> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:05] <Zindaren> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:05] <Zindaren> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:05] <Zindaren> gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[06:05] <Zindaren> you must have broken sources
[06:05] <adam__> how can i print out my sources?
[06:05] <Zindaren> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <aitrus> cat /etc/apt/source.list
[06:06] <aitrus> dmanit
[06:06] <aitrus> jfsldkafjdlks
[06:06] <aitrus> damnit
[06:06] <aitrus> i can't type!
[06:06] <adam__> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[06:06] <adam__> testing main
[06:06] <Zindar> adam__: that's all?
[06:06] <adam__> yea.. i think i foudn my problem
[06:06] <adam__> the wiki is wrong
[06:06] <Zindar> hehe
[06:06] <aitrus> no it isn't
[06:06] <Zindar> where is it wrong?
[06:06] <aitrus> the wiki doesn't say "delete everything else but this"
[06:06] <aitrus> it says "add this"
[06:06] <adam__> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <adam__> Yea, look at the bottom
[06:07] <adam__> URI: ftp://ftp.nerim.net
[06:07] <aitrus> right.  it says to add that
[06:07] <aitrus> just add
[06:07] <aitrus> not bork the rest
[06:07] <adam__> i did that
[06:07] <adam__> and it didn't work
[06:07] <Zindar> the wiki looks right
[06:07] <adam__> hold on
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:08] <aitrus> even the SynapticHowto says to "add"
[06:08] <Zindar> that's what you should have in there
[06:08] <adam__> ok well
[06:08] <Zindar> put them in that file
[06:08] <adam__> its added, now its saying that libie3tag0 is nto installable
[06:08] <adam__> gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[06:08] <adam__> E: Broken packages
[06:09] <Zindar> did you put the universe line in?
[06:09] <Zindar> and did you apt-get update
[06:09] <Zindar> ?
[06:09] <adam__> yea
[06:09] <adam__> i added the 1 line
[06:09] <Zindar> the THREE lines please
[06:09] <Zindar> you should have four lines in there
[06:09] <Zindar> the three I just pasted
[06:10] <Zindar> plus deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:10] <adam__> 1sec...
[06:10] <adam__> its going
[06:11] <Zindar> good
[06:11] <adam__> k it works thanks
[06:12] <Zindar> :)
[06:12] <adam__> i don't think the instructions are very clear... something to think about?
[06:12] <Zindar> what's not clear...
[06:12] <Zindar> ADD using synaptics
[06:12] <Zindar> then run
[06:12] <adam__> how to install the universal repositories.
[06:12] <adam__> no where does it say /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:12] <Zindar> adam__: if you didn't bork your source.list file and just do as the instructions said.. you would be ok
[06:13] <Zindar> the instructions are VERY clear
[06:13] <adam__> ok
[06:13] <adam__> now when i run rhythmbox 0.8.5 it still says its unknown
[06:14] <adam__> but it played in a different program
[06:15] <Zindar> did you restart rhytmbox?
[06:16] <adam__> n
[06:16] <adam__> m
[06:16] <adam__> lol
[06:16] <baHam> does anybody use vbulletin 3 and is admin or knows how to set it up ?
[06:16] <baHam> I dont know how to change that the avatar should be on the left not on top
[06:17] <baHam> it's a forum type
[06:17] <evilyoda> here's my problem on warty: when I run a program that requires superuser privileges, and I give my password, I get the message "Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[06:17] <evilyoda> but at a command line, if I type "su" and enter the password, then I get root and can run synaptic or whatever
[06:17] <aitrus> evilyoda: you are giving it your password and not the root password?
[06:18] <aitrus> you are supposed to give it your password
[06:18] <evilyoda> no
[06:18] <aitrus> (not roots)
[06:18] <evilyoda> even if I changed root's?
[06:18] <aitrus> right
[06:18] <Zindar> yeah
[06:18] <evilyoda> oh, that's interesting. Why is that?
[06:18] <aitrus> it's using a sudo-like interface
[06:18] <evilyoda> ok
[06:18] <aitrus> it's basically the same as saying "sudo synaptic"
[06:19] <adam__> Ubuntu is amazingly good.
[06:19] <adam__> I'm very happy with it.
[06:19] <Zindar> evilyoda: because the menus run "gtkSUDO synatic".. not gkSU
[06:19] <evilyoda> for some reason I was under the impression that it was running gksu
[06:19] <Zindar> evilyoda: considering that root is disabled by default that would be kinda hard you know :)
[06:20] <evilyoda> I guess my only concern with that is security-wise, having the same password giving root access as regular access
[06:20] <evilyoda> Zindar: root is disabled by default? the things I don't know!
[06:22] <punkass> funny: http://www.planetboredom.net/pix/details.php?image_id=926
[06:22] <Skif> evilyoda: yeah, that bit me too, since I tend to create users after install, because I want to pick specific UIDs for them
[06:22] <Skif> fortunately booting into single-user mode worked fine, and I fixed it then
[06:22] <punkass> how do i permenantly set a new dir path in $PATH
[06:22] <punkass> just in .bash_profile or rc?
[06:23] <Skif> punkass: .bashrc is best
[06:23] <aitrus> either .bash_profile or /etc/profile
[06:23] <aitrus> Skif: bah!  .bashrc is for aliases!  =)
[06:23] <Skif> well, perhaps I'm wrong, I put it in .bashrc, as that's invoked by shells that are not login shells
[06:24] <aitrus> i wouldn't say you are wrong.  it's a religious debate.
[06:24] <Skif> aitrus; no, that's .aliases, which is sourced by .bashrc :)
[06:24] <punkass> lol...thanks 
[06:26] <punkass> is there a spot where it can be put so its universal...so when i create a new user..they have it in there PATH 
[06:26] <Skif> aitrus: I don't much care either way; I've been burned by assuming both when the other was true :)
[06:26] <aitrus> /etc/profile
[06:26] <punkass> or is that the skel thinkg
[06:27] <punkass> ah ok thanks
[06:27] <aitrus> Skif: especially with gnome-terminal not being a login shell by default
[06:27] <Skif> aitrus: yes, that's why I put it in .bashrc now
[06:27] <Skif> er, odd
[06:27] <Skif> not oss
[06:29] <evilyoda> thanks for answering my questions all! bye
[06:42] <ubergoober> I had a problem installing when using exiting partitions and data.
[06:47] <chris__> Has anyone noticed font hinting not working properly on Ubuntu
[06:51] <jamesh> chris__: it is probably using the auto-hinter.
[07:01] <chris__> jamesh any idea on how to fix it?
[07:02] <jamesh> chris__: well, you might be able to recompile the freetype package
[07:03] <jamesh> chris__: the TTF hinting algorithm is patented, and it is a bit hard to get a patent license for a product you are giving away and letting people make as many copies of as they wish.
[07:11] <chris__> jamesh I have fedora core installed also and the hinting works there.
[07:11] <jamesh> chris__: that's weird.  Fedora is also using the autohinter
[07:12] <jamesh> chris__: I can't see much of a difference between the rendering inWarty and FC2
[07:13] <jamesh> chris__: can you be a bit more specific?
[07:19] <adam__> i installed Quanta, it's a KDE program, i used apt-get to install it and it is working, my problem is that the font is really big but i know its a QT setting, how would i go about making it a smaller font?
[07:22] <Jaramin> having a broken samba package problem here... anyone willing to try to help?
[07:25] <punkass> ok i add a new dir to PATH in my /etc/profile, logout then in...so a echo $PATH the dir isnt there
[07:25] <punkass> then added it to my bash_profile, that didnt help either
[07:25] <punkass> then added it to my .bashrc
[07:26] <chris__> jamesh - here is a link to a person who looks like they are having the same problem.  I also saw a person on the user mailing list with the same problem.  However, noone responded to his request.  http://denial.loose-screws.com/blog/archives/2004/09/font-quality-oh-the-irony/
[07:26] <punkass> now when i do a echo $PATH its there, but when i launch an app from the menu that depends on java it doesnt work
[07:26] <punkass> any thoughts out there?
[07:27] <punkass> the only thing i havent done is a full reboot
[07:32] <jamesh> chris__: well, there are two things that could affect the output: the version of freetype (+ any patches, and whether the bytecode interpreter is on or off), and the actual font file
[07:35] <Xx_joel_xX> anyone avail to help me with a ldap problem?
[07:39] <Tzigane> Wow, this is a big channel =)
[07:39] <Tzigane> Ello
[07:39] <TheMuso> Tzigane: It is a big channel, but even when not all of us are actually at our machines, we are still connected.
[07:39] <Jaramin> joel: maybe, depends if it's a tough problem ;)
[07:39] <TheMuso> There are people connected from all over the world.
[07:40] <Xx_joel_xX> jaramin i have a screenshot of my problem
[07:40] <Tzigane> Yeah, that's true =)
[07:40] <Tzigane> Has anyone had issues with the nvidia drivers?  The default kernel wasn't working with my Inspirion 8600's sound card, so I reinstalled my custom one, and installed the nvidia driver from nv's binary, only to find I had to re-install the nv stuff every time I rebooted
[07:41] <punkass> Tzigane: ubuntu has the nvidia drivers packaged
[07:41] <punkass> so they usually work quite well
[07:42] <Tzigane> punkass: So I saw, but they were only for the default kernel, which didn't work with audio
[07:42] <mdz> Tzigane: report a bug
[07:42] <punkass> hmm..what was the problem with the audio?
[07:42] <mdz> Tzigane: include dmesg output from the kernel which worked, and the kernel which does not
[07:42] <Tzigane> Looking at the Dell Inspiron 8500 in the Wiki, it looks like acpi=noirq may fix it
[07:42] <Tzigane> I may..
[07:42] <mdz> try that first
[07:42] <punkass> i would try that..
[07:42] <mdz> if that doesn't fix it, report a bug
[07:42] <punkass> i know i had to do a   nolapic   
[07:43] <punkass> on a dell d600
[07:43] <mdz> there are a number of Dell BIOS issues already reported in bugzilla
[07:43] <mdz> I didn't notice you mentioned it was a Dell
[07:43] <SuperL4g> Did I hear right that there was going to be some big discussion today about the artwork?
[07:43] <Tzigane> Ahh I see...
[07:44] <Tzigane> Hmm I will try it
[07:44] <punkass> mdz: you know anything about setting up PATH for java
[07:46] <TheMuso> SuperLag: The discussion has already taken place.
[07:47] <TheMuso> About 25-27 hours ago. :)
[07:47] <SuperLag> TheMuso: what came of it?
[07:47] <TheMuso> Sorry, subtract 12 hours from those. My maths isn't too good today
[07:48] <TheMuso> Basically the artwork that appears on the GDM screen and the splash screen will be installed, but not the default artwork
[07:50] <Zindar> TheMuso: you mean the default artwork will not be installed, or everything will be installed but nog be default?
[07:51] <Zindar> s/nog/not/
[07:52] <Tzigane> Thanks for the help =)  I can't believe how fast that response was
[07:52] <TheMuso> The artwork will still be part of the install I think, but won't be a default.
[07:52] <Tzigane> please i want more
[07:52] <Tzigane> art that is 
[07:52] <Tzigane> yes it's very nice :-) 
[07:52] <Tzigane> it's fun to watch when i am alone at home and feeling naughty
[07:52] <punkass> Tzigane: you get it working?
[07:53] <Tzigane> Eek.. my keyboard's been hijacked
[07:53] <Tzigane> I haven't tried yet, still installing other bits
[07:53] <punkass> ah
[07:53] <Tzigane> The artwork is insane though =) What the porn!!!
[07:53] <punkass> lol
[07:53] <Tzigane> Especially the desktop wallpapers
[07:53] <Tzigane> It's a little disturbing
[07:53] <punkass> just 3 people enjoying each others company ;)
[07:54] <Tzigane> Hmm....
[07:54] <Zindar> what will be the default gdm-setup then?
[07:54] <Zindar> I likes the gdm pic.. the others I'm not so sure about
[07:55] <Tzigane> More porny stuff! :P
[07:55] <Tzigane> I think it's taken a little far
[07:55] <TheMuso> I don't think the default has been decided yet, but there were calls for the original pre-release logo to be used on the GDM login screen.
[07:55] <Zindar> it's not porny in any way... quit that nonsence
[07:55] <Zindar> I see worse when I go outside or turn on the tv
[07:55] <Zindar> ads both of course
[07:56] <punkass> Zindar: good call
[07:56] <liff> where do you live?-D
[07:56] <Zindar> liff: Sweden.. but am right now in australia and it's about the same
[07:56] <TheMuso> Just because the artwork is acceptable for one person or group of people, doesn't mean that all cultures should accept it.
[07:57] <punkass> thats true, but Zindar has a good point...turn on the TV and blamo..the same or worse
[07:57] <punkass> or better (depending how u look at it) ;)
[07:58] <Tzigane> :P
[07:58] <TheMuso> Yeah, maybe in most western countries.
[07:58] <TheMuso> But it makes me wonder what eastern people get when they turn on their TV.
[07:58] <punkass> yeah for sure in western countries
[07:58] <punkass> well i get one spanish channel..and its pretty off the wall
[07:59] <punkass> and i would imagine the UK are pretty used to it
[07:59] <punkass> would be countries like India, Indonisia, etc that it might not go over well
[08:00] <punkass> not that ive watched much of there TV
[08:00] <punkass> or any for that matter 
[08:01] <Tzigane> I just love the way the commercial channels keep coming up with more and more extremely stupid stuff
[08:01] <Tzigane> Just when you think they've hit the bottom of the barrel
[08:01] <Tzigane> There's 'spouse swap'...
[08:01] <punkass> its advertising..there is no bottom 
[08:01] <punkass> haha yeah..one up here called 'wife swap'
[08:04] <Tzigane> My god =)
[08:04] <Tzigane> It's amazing
[08:04] <Tzigane> I'm genuinely impressed
[08:06] <TheMuso> Tzigane: Do you know how to type properly?
[08:07] <Tzigane> As opposed to the find-and-poke game?
[08:07] <Tzigane> Yes =)
[08:07] <Tzigane> Although I'm still qwerty'ing, instead of using dvorak
[08:07] <TheMuso> I have never seen a dvorak keyboard
[08:08] <punkass> me either
[08:08] <Tzigane> I haven't seen one, I've just used the mapping
[08:08] <Tzigane> Hmm... very impressed with ubuntu thus far..
[08:08] <Tzigane> Yeah, it's worthwhile learning it
[08:09] <TheMuso> Thing is though, I don't think I will change. I know qwerty perfectly, so I don't feel there is any need to change. I am already quite speedy with qwerty.
[08:09] <Tzigane> qwerty was designed to slow typists down, during the good ol' typewriter days, when typing too quickly led to the head things crashing together...
[08:09] <Tzigane> Yeah, vi+dvorak is evil..
[08:09] <Tzigane> Mind you
[08:09] <Tzigane> :wq is easy
[08:09] <Tzigane> Shift-z-x-c on qwerty
[08:10] <Zindar> haha :)
[08:10] <Tzigane> Or something
[08:10] <Tzigane> I can't remember =)
[08:10] <Zindar> Tzigane: you do dvorak now?
[08:10] <Zindar> no
[08:10] <Tzigane> It takes way too long to learn...
[08:10] <Zindar> I guess not
[08:10] <Tzigane> I can, but I'm not as fast as qwerty =)
[08:10] <Zindar> there is a dvorak mode in vim
[08:10] <TheMuso> I have spent over 10 years honing my qwerty skills, I don't see how a change would help me. :)
[08:10] <Zindar> I think it changes hjkl to do the same at the same possition :)
[08:11] <Tzigane> Yeah something like that =)
[08:11] <Tzigane> It's just meant to be less RSI-ish
[08:11] <Zindar> TheMuso: I've used qwerty for about 24 years.... hard to change
[08:11] <Tzigane> I'm just gunna try rebooting into the default kernel ...
[08:12] <TheMuso> Well you don't get RSI if you have good posture while typing. I.E wrists up, arms relaxed, etc.
[08:12] <Tzigane> That's true
[08:12] <Tzigane> Wrists up?
[08:12] <TheMuso> Playing piano sort of helps that IMO.
[08:12] <Tzigane> You mean, like piano players?
[08:12] <Tzigane> Hmm... I hadn't thought of that
[08:12] <punkass> what is RSI?
[08:12] <Tzigane> Means you have to hold your arms up
[08:12] <Tzigane> repeditive stress injury
[08:12] <TheMuso> Yeah. That is what makes me keep my wrists up.
[08:12] <punkass> ah
[08:12] <Tzigane> repetitive, too
[08:13] <TheMuso> It is ok to have your elbos lower than your wrists while typing, but having your wrists up allows your fingers to move properly and not get squashed on the keyboard while you are typing for long stints.
[08:13] <Tzigane> Good point
[08:13] <Tzigane> Might try that more often =)
[08:13] <Tzigane> It does make it a little easier
[08:13] <TheMuso> Having your shoulders a good hight above the keyboard also helps.
[08:14] <Tzigane> By the way... does anyone know how to put a vga=... option in grub's menu.lst?  I'm used to lilo...
[08:14] <hazmat> what does SABDFL stand for?
[08:14] <opi> that way most keyboards have small legs ;)
[08:14] <TheMuso> I personally believe that people who want to learn how to type properly need to look at a pianist playing the piano.
[08:14] <TheMuso> Posture is everything
[08:16] <aitrus> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[08:21] <punkass> has anyout complied libcoaster?
[08:22] <punkass> anyout = anyone
[08:23] <punkass> ./configure is giving me this error: No package 'gconf-2.0' found
[08:24] <crimsun> do you have libgconf2-dev installed?
[08:24] <punkass> hmmm probably not
[08:26] <punkass> that was it..thanks crimsun
[08:26] <crimsun> np
[08:26] <TheMuso> What is libcoaster
[08:26] <punkass> http://www.coaster-burn.org/libcoaster/
[08:27] <punkass> what i want to try is Coaster-gui
[08:27] <punkass> its a gnome burning app
[08:27] <punkass> '
[08:27] <punkass> in progress'
[08:27] <TheMuso> Ah ok. There is also another one that I know of called optimistic or something like that, in progress.
[08:28] <Despair> The following are needed in addition to libburn.
[08:28] <Despair> ...
[08:28] <Despair> libburn 0.2
[08:29] <adam__> hey guys, i have another problem, i'm only getting like 10FPS on the Flurry screen saver, I KNOW that this card can do better, its an ATI Radeon M7 (Mobility). I don't think DRI or whatever is installed properly. Can someone help? 
[08:29] <TheMuso> What X driver are you using?
[08:30] <|trey|> TheMuso: umm, he prolly had one installed on startup, Ubuntu does that automagically  :/
[08:30] <|trey|> install*
[08:30] <adam__> how can I find out? don't want to guess
[08:30] <|trey|> s/startup/install time/
[08:31] <|trey|> adam__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:32] <punkass> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libburn-1.pc'
[08:32] <|trey|> adam__: do yourself a favor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... answer everything you know, on advanced...
[08:32] <punkass> but when i do a locate: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libburn-1.pc
[08:32] <punkass> its there
[08:32] <adam__> Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[08:32] <adam__> punkass: check path
[08:32] <|trey|> Looks right... DRI is on?
[08:32] <adam__> Load "DRI" yes.
[08:32] <|trey|> (bottem)
[08:33] <|trey|> Hmm... it should be doing better then  :/
[08:33] <|trey|> directFB would be better maybe  :/
[08:33] <punkass> adam: check path?
[08:33] <|trey|> punkass: why would he check path to see why is FPS is fucked?
[08:33] <punkass> lol
 punkass: check path
[08:34] <|trey|> :
[08:34] <|trey|> :/
[08:34] <adam__> i forgot exactly how pkg-config worked but i remember that one time it didn't see the second directory, which was /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig, if u look there's also /usr/lib/pkgconfig with the packages that pkg-config sees.
[08:34] <punkass> ah
[08:34] <adam__> pkg-config --list-all
[08:34] <|trey|> Never use pkgconfig :/
[08:34] <adam__> u could move the files from /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig to /usr/lib/pkgconfig but thats not recommended...
[08:35] <adam__> yea, pkgconfig sucks
[08:35] <adam__> lol
[08:35] <TheMuso> adam__: You could try installing the binary ATI drivers if you wanted 3D support.
[08:35] <adam__> TheMuso: how?
[08:35] <|trey|> TheMuso: that was the next project *sigh*... someone asked if it was right driver  :/
[08:36] <punkass> adam: so it doesnt seem to show up there
[08:36] <|trey|> If there are company drivers... you always get them, damnit you paid enough for the support!
[08:36] <adam__> i thought there was a radeon driver?
[08:37] <|trey|> adam__: there is...
[08:37] <adam__> isn't that more specfic than ati?
[08:37] <|trey|> go to ATI's site, and read the instructions  :/
[08:37] <adam__> couldn't ati be used for rages also?
[08:37] <|trey|> ati = everyfuckingthing
[08:37] <adam__> yea
[08:37] <TheMuso> Ubuntu has the fgrlx drivers packaged. Search for fgrlx and you should be able to find them. THey are in restricted I think.
[08:37] <adam__> let me try radeon
[08:37] <|trey|> All purpose driver for ati products...
[08:38] <|trey|> Its binary...
[08:38] <adam__> brb
[08:38] <|trey|> thus not installed by default...
[08:39] <|trey|> have to add the modules...
[08:39] <TheMuso> What is ineresting, is the radeon driver is there, but not in the dpkg configuration list.
[08:39] <|trey|> module*
[08:40] <|trey|> TheMuso: you sure you don't have 'linux-resticted-modules' installed?
[08:40] <|trey|> Its a non-free driver  :/
[08:41] <TheMuso> No I don't have any binary ATI stuff installed. I am running a custom kernel, and know for a fact that I didn't rebuild any modules other than my wifi card module.
[08:43] <TheMuso> But in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers I have ati_drv.o and radeon_drv.o
[08:44] <punkass> doh..i got the coaster-gui and it says to run ./configure but ./configure: No such file or directory
[08:44] <TheMuso> And I certainly don't remember radeon being in the list of drivers to choose from when one runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:44] <punkass> i am doomed
[08:44] <TheMuso> If you got it from CVS or arch, you probably have to run something like autogen.sh to get automake to build the needed files for configuring.
[08:44] <punkass> ah
[08:45] <TheMuso> So you will need autoconf, automake, and very likely libtool at the very least.
[08:45] <punkass> thanks...gnome-common gives me all those
[08:46] <|trey|> build-essential  :/
[08:46] <adam__> found my problem: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[08:47] <TheMuso> So is that with the ati driver or the radeon driver?
[08:47] <adam__> either
[08:47] <Despair> try commenting out the BusID line /in XF86Config-4
[08:47] <punkass> i thought if you were running a binary driver you wernt suppost to have DRI enabled
[08:47] <adam__> (which i'm happier about, somethign wrong with DRI)?
[08:47] <|trey|> Radeon... it says  :/
[08:47] <adam__> well that was with RADEON
[08:47] <iz> is there a howto to install the nvidea driver on a amd64 system?
[08:48] <adam__> goodluck on the amd64 system lol
[08:48] <adam__> i gave up
[08:48] <|trey|> punkass: You're not... but he's using the 'radeon' driver cuz he's too lazy to go get the binary driver support he paid for  :/
[08:48] <iz> adam__, :)
[08:48] <crimsun> iz: same procedure as on ia32 if you use the RC iso
[08:48] <punkass> ah
[08:48] <|trey|> ikr
[08:49] <iz> crimsun, ah oki
[08:49] <adam__> |trey|: its ATI Mobility
[08:49] <adam__> there's no support for it
[08:49] <|trey|> ought to still have drivers  :/
[08:49] <adam__> Yes...
[08:49] <|trey|> On ATI's site...
[08:49] <adam__> Somewhere else...
[08:49] <adam__> Nope
[08:49] <punkass> ./autogen.sh: line 1: --print-ac-dir: command not found
[08:49] <adam__> MObility is OEM only. They say go to your OEM.
[08:49] <punkass> Checking for required M4 macros...
[08:49] <punkass>   libtool.m4 not found
[08:49] <Despair> |trey|: there's a lot of old chips ATI doesn't support in their binary drivers
[08:50] <|trey|> ugh
[08:50] <adam__> so how can i fix DRI?
[08:50] <Despair> and assorted recent laptop chips
[08:50] <punkass> /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4
[08:50] <punkass> /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4
[08:50] <Despair> adam__: did you try commenting out the BusID line in XF86Config-4 as I suggested? (you'll need to restart X after that)
[08:50] <adam__> no, hold on
[08:51] <adam__> brb
[08:53] <Kirsch> its in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 right?
[08:53] <Despair> yes
[08:53] <iz> whats the url for the ubuntu forum?
[08:53] <TheMuso> http://www.ubuntuforum.org
[08:53] <Kirsch> its still loading RADEON
[08:53] <iz> cewl tnx
[08:54] <Despair> Option BusID BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[08:54] <Despair> err, scratch one of those BusIDs
[08:54] <iz> huh
[08:54] <Kirsch> yea, icommented it out
[08:54] <Kirsch> still doesn't work
[08:54] <iz> This domain name has been successfully registered on behalf of a client by 123-reg.
[08:54] <Despair> ok, different problem.
[08:56] <TheMuso> I think that was the address anyway.
[08:56] <TheMuso> I stick to mailing lists personally. :)
[08:56] <iz> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ thats the one
[08:57] <Tzigane> Well, it looks like acpi=noicq works =)
[08:58] <Kirsch> any idea Despair?
[08:58] <TheMuso> Tzigane: Good to hear.
[08:59] <Despair> it could be agpgart or agp driver issues.
[08:59] <Despair> I don't know anything about issues with those with laptop chips, though.
[09:00] <Despair> Last I heard, pci gart was thoroughly smashed in DRI with radeon chips, don't know if that's been fixed.
[09:00] <iz> howto to install nvidia on a amd64: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=319&highlight=nvidia
[09:00] <TheMuso> Despair: What model number exactly is the card? You said it is an M7? I have an M7 7500 and my card seems to work with no problems.
[09:01] <TheMuso> This is on a ThinkPad R50.
[09:01] <Treenaks> iz: which re-directs you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto -- because that works now
[09:01] <xskoulax> i wish i could get a screenshot of that
[09:01] <Despair> TheMuso: don't ask me, I have an Nvidia.
[09:02] <TheMuso> Who was having the ATI problems again?
[09:02] <Kirsch> me
[09:02] <Kirsch> I have the M7 i think too
[09:02] <Kirsch> 7500
[09:03] <TheMuso> Sorry Kirsch Got you and Despair mixed up.
[09:04] <Kirsch> thats alright
[09:04] <Despair> TheMuso: ati or fglrx?
[09:04] <Kirsch> any suggestions? i'm getting DRI failed.
[09:04] <Tzigane> Well, thanks again for all your help =) See ya
[09:04] <TheMuso> It certainly looks like DRI is working for me all right. I have even installed some OpenGL stuff to test it.
[09:04] <TheMuso> ati
[09:05] <Kirsch> well, hold on asec, i dunno if i'm even gonna be able to fix the problem
[09:05] <TheMuso> No frglx installed.
[09:05] <Kirsch> my laptop doens't turn on
[09:06] <Treenaks> Kirsch: is the battery empty?
[09:06] <Treenaks> Kirsch: no power connected?
[09:06] <Kirsch> it turns on then turns off
[09:06] <Kirsch> weird...
[09:07] <TheMuso> Do you get any messages on screen at all? Like any BIOS messages?
[09:07] <Kirsch> No, just shows the compaq logo and then turns off... hold on...
[09:08] <xskoulax> not feeling hot is it?
[09:09] <Kirsch> there it goes
[09:10] <xskoulax> Kirsch: was it just being dense
[09:10] <Kirsch> i have no idea...
[09:10] <Kirsch> that was very weird...
[09:11] <xskoulax> i had something like that a while ago with my vaio
[09:11] <Kirsch> brb, its dying out on Network interfaces (i have 2 cards now)
[09:12] <xskoulax> next time you have the computer off try taking a can of air to it
[09:13] <xskoulax> seemed to sort my vaio out, unless it was dumb luck it stopped doing it after that.
[09:13] <Kirsch> i have to get that can of air first...
[09:14] <xskoulax> Kirsch: no siblings you can hold to it and punch in the stomach?
[09:14] <punkass> No package 'libxml++-2.6' found
[09:14] <Treenaks> punkass: apt-cache search...
[09:14] <punkass> ive installed libxml++1.0  but that didnt seem to help
[09:15] <Kirsch> oh that did fix it
[09:15] <crimsun> libxml2-dev?
[09:15] <Kirsch> thank you :-)
[09:15] <Treenaks> punkass: you'll need the -dev probably..
[09:15] <punkass> i have the dev
[09:15] <Treenaks> punkass: and don't compile, use the package
[09:15] <punkass> but not libxml2-dev
[09:15] <Despair> Kirsch: what did, removing the BusID line?
[09:15] <crimsun> oh, libxml++2.6-dev
[09:15] <Kirsch> yep
[09:16] <crimsun> i missed that in my apt-cache search output
[09:16] <punkass> crimsun: i have libxml2-dev
[09:16] <crimsun> punkass: and libxml++2.6-dev?
[09:16] <punkass> cant find that one
[09:16] <Kirsch> i'm gonna write an article about how to install linux on this laptop, its an interesting one, the Evo :-P
[09:16] <Despair> Kirsch: Not at all surprised. It's not a good default for Ubuntu to enable that.
[09:16] <Kirsch> Yea, i can see why
[09:17] <Treenaks> Kirsch: put it on the wiki :)
[09:17] <Kirsch> I'll link it
[09:17] <Kirsch> actually
[09:17] <Kirsch> where on the wiki?
[09:20] <punkass> crimsun: well i can find a tar.gz of it but not a deb anywhere
[09:20] <TheMuso> DRI seems to work for me with the BusID option in my configuration. TuxRacer runs like a gem.
[09:21] <TheMuso> Now just have to work out why TuxRacer doesn't run full screen when sing Clone Mode on my laptop with an external monitor. :)
[09:21] <TheMuso> using
[09:21] <punkass> hmm and debian has it in there unstable repository
[09:22] <Lathiat> c
[09:23] <punkass> lamont: u around?
[09:29] <jdub> Kirsch: what was the bad default?
[09:31] <Kirsch> BusID
[09:32] <jdub> in XF86Config-4? for which card?
[09:32] <Kirsch> Yea, ATI Radeon M7
[09:32] <Kirsch> u a dev for ubuntu?
[09:32] <jdub> yeah
[09:32] <Despair> jdub: it's a bad default, since it's unneeded in single card systems, and in 2 card it has good odds of picking the wrong card.
[09:33] <Kirsch> i love you :-)
[09:33] <jdub> fabbione, daniels: ping
[09:33] <Kirsch> Ubuntu owns... But yea
[09:33] <Kirsch>  there are a few things i would like changed, but only from my laptop perspective, include ORINOCO_USB!! :-D
[09:33] <Kirsch> I compileed it, can I submit it?
[09:33] <Despair> Which is what happened to another guy earlier, with an unused prosavage being picked as the target for the radeon driver
[09:33] <punkass> jdub: do you know why libxml++2.6 is not in the repos?
[09:34] <jdub> punkass: check the build losg
[09:34] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[09:34] <punkass> i couldnt seem to find it in there
[09:34] <fabbione> jdub ?
[09:34] <jdub> fabbione: see busid discussion above
[09:34] <fabbione> jdub: not now..
[09:35] <jdub> punkass: perhaps it wasn't in sid at the time we froze
[09:36] <jdub> Kirsch: fabbione and daniels are the men to ask. perhaps mail ubuntu-devel about it.
[09:36] <Kirsch> fabbione: is it possible to submit that?
[09:36] <punkass> well its changelog is old Chris Leishman <masklin@debian.org>  Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:38:04 +1100
[09:37] <punkass> hmm that doesnt make much sense since 2.6 wasnt around in 2000
[09:37] <fabbione> ok
[09:37] <fabbione> hold on
[09:37] <fabbione> what is this problem with the BusID?
[09:38] <Despair> fabbione: it prevents direct rendering from working with a stock XF86Config-4
[09:38] <Kirsch> apparently by having BusID enabled, it had problems with DRI
[09:38] <Despair> since it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal prosavage that they aren't using.
[09:38] <Kirsch> but when i commented ti out, it worked fine
[09:39] <fabbione> one at a time
[09:39] <Kirsch> u go since u know more details
[09:39] <Kirsch> i'll ask my question after
[09:39] <Keybuk> punkass: gpg: Signature made Mon 21 Jun 2004 13:30:16 BST using DSA key ID B4E24219
[09:40] <punkass> hmm wonder when ubuntu froze
[09:40] <Despair> fabbione: I don't think the 1st AGP/PCI device isn't guaranteed to be 1:0:0, either, which may be what bit Kirsch. He's the 2nd person I know who has hit the problem.
[09:40] <Despair> fabbione: one laptop, one desktop, very different configs.
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: the PCI values are calculated
[09:40] <Keybuk> roundabout then.  so it may have just not made it in
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: the same way as the first primary card is detected
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: it's not a random value
[09:41] <Kirsch> its not detecting it properly on mine tho...
[09:41] <Despair> fabbione: so why is it setting 1:0:0 on the driver for the 2nd card? and getting it wrong for Kirsch?
[09:41] <jdub> punkass: late june
[09:41] <fabbione> Despair: do you have 2 differend cards in the box?
[09:42] <punkass> doh.  ok thanks
[09:42] <Despair> fabbione: I didn't get hit by it, I commented it out before getting X working.
[09:42] <Despair> fabbione: mikal_ is the other one who got hit by it (hope I'm remembering his nickname right)
[09:42] <Kirsch> are there benefits to having BusID there?
[09:42] <fabbione> Kirsch: some cards do NOT work without
[09:42] <Keybuk> punkass: in fact, it didn't get *uploaded* to Debian until 5th July
[09:42] <Keybuk> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/07/msg00336.html
[09:43] <punkass> Keybuk: thanks...that would explain why its not there
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: if the savage driver does not support the BusID, it should simply skip it.
[09:43] <punkass> i am tempted to try the debian one....
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: if it doesn't is a driver problem
[09:43] <Despair> fabbione: it sounds like it's not checking to make sure it matches the PCI ID to the right card. Should probably get lspci output from both these guys and try to figure out what is happening
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: not a configuration error
[09:44] <Keybuk> punkass: it was probably sat in the NEW queue for a few days
[09:44] <Despair> fabbione: he's not using the savage at all
[09:44] <Keybuk> and hadn't popped out by the time warty froze
[09:44] <Despair> fabbione: onboard, I think he said it's disabled in cmos
 since it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal
[09:44] <fabbione>           prosavage that they aren't using.
[09:45] <fabbione> Despair: ok if you don't have the problem, let me talk and ask specific info to them. Otherwise it gets only confusing
[09:45] <jdub> punkass: you might want to request a sync
[09:45] <jdub> punkass: of all the gnomemm packages, even
[09:45] <jdub> well, *mm
[09:45] <fabbione> Kirsch: you had the problem right?
[09:45] <jdub> murrayc mentioned this on the wiki too
[09:45] <Kirsch> fabbione: well, more so a request, can i submit drivers?
[09:46] <fabbione> Kirsch: drivers for what?
[09:46] <Kirsch> fabbione: orinoco_usb
[09:46] <Kirsch> it's for a Wireless card on Evo Laptops (all of them)
[09:46] <Kirsch> Compaq Evo
[09:46] <fabbione> Kirsch: not to me.. :-)
[09:47] <xskoulax> fabbione: i kirsch had the problem
[09:47] <fabbione> i have been called to see this BusID problem for X
[09:47] <Kirsch> Oh.
[09:47] <Kirsch> ok well if its necessary, then i'd guess leave it
[09:47] <Kirsch> the card DID work out of the box, i can put in a howto to disable it
[09:47] <fabbione> Kirsch: driver requests -> ubuntu-user or ubuntu-devel
[09:47] <Kirsch> huh?
[09:48] <fabbione> Kirsch: mailing lists :-)
[09:48] <fabbione> Kirsch: i would like to understand:
[09:48] <fabbione> 1) the problem
[09:48] <Kirsch> ah ok
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : I don't get it. I left the download for lamont
[09:48] <fabbione> 2) the solution
[09:48] <fabbione> 3) get some info from you
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : 's cd, and it hung up at 93%..
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : any known problems on the server there? I can't resume it etc
[09:49] <bob2_> sivang: is this people.u.c?
[09:49] <Kirsch> fabbione: ok, i should send an email to ubuntu-user@ubuntulinux.org
[09:49] <Kirsch> ?
[09:49] <fabbione> Kirsch: send a mail for the driver request.
[09:49] <Kirsch> ok
[09:49] <jdub> sivang: i don't know
[09:49] <fabbione> Kirsch: i want to know about X now :-)
[09:50] <Kirsch> Yea
[09:50] <punkass> doh it needs bakery-2.4 and debian unstable is only a 2.3-8
[09:50] <Kirsch> I have a Compaq Evo n800c
[09:50] <sivang> bob2_ : I am not sure
[09:50] <fabbione> Kirsch: 1) what is exactly the problem :-)
[09:50] <Kirsch> the card is a ATI Radeon M7 (7500) Mobility
[09:50] <Kirsch> checking for more details
[09:50] <sivang> jdub : you know if rsync is for anonymous access on p.u.c ?
[09:51] <fabbione> Kirsch: ok. i know that card... i have a mobility M6 and i had the Evo nc8000 for a month or so
[09:51] <sivang> jdub : I mean, if it's available to those who don't have an ssh account there?
[09:51] <Kirsch> ok
[09:51] <Kirsch> all i did to fix the problem was i disabled the BusID line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:51] <fabbione> Kirsch: and the problem was to get DRI working?
[09:51] <jdub> sivang: rsync on people? dunno
[09:51] <Kirsch> Yes
[09:51] <fabbione> ok
[09:51] <sivang> jdub : ok, I
[09:52] <sivang> jdub : 'll stick to gnome download manager :)
[09:52] <fabbione> Kirsch: now i want you to do 3 things
[09:52] <Kirsch> I got an error with DRI start, i forgot what it was but itwas (EE) DRI failed
[09:52] <Despair> fabbione: sorry, it was mirak_ who had the same problem
[09:52] <fabbione> Kirsch: first of all open a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com describing exactly the problem.
[09:52] <bob2_> sivang: "rsync people.ubuntulinux.org::" will show if anything's available
[09:53] <fabbione> Kirsch: and add to the bug the configuration with the BusId enabled and disable
[09:53] <Despair> (II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Device or resource busy(EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[09:53] <fabbione> Kirsch: and the Xfree86 logs of X starting in both the condition
[09:53] <sivang> bob2_ : tnx
[09:54] <ygnome> fabbione: I'm still waiting for a bugzilla password from Sunday...
[09:54] <ygnome> fabbione: I'd like to help with bugreports but bugzilla sucks bad...
[09:54] <fabbione> ygnome: ask justdave
[09:55] <fabbione> i am not bugzilla maintainer
[09:55] <justdave> ask elmo, I don't have access to the logs.
[09:55] <Despair> fabbione: that bad paste I did earlier was from mirak_'s XFree86 log, and I believe that's the same thing Kirsch reported earlier.
[09:56] <justdave> I'm willing to bet your ISP does callback verification
[09:56] <ygnome> k. problem is, who else is having problems and giving up? It's a waste of effort. There should be an email link on there or something for when it's broken....
[09:56] <fabbione> Despair: it seems to be either a driver problem or a kernel problem. I am checking with Kirsch 
[09:56] <justdave> our bugzilla machine doesn't have inbound email, so if they try to connect back, it fails
[09:56] <fabbione> Despair: for sure it's not something it will get fixed for warty
[09:57] <fabbione> brb
[09:57] <punkass> as anyone been able to compile Coaster-gui?
[09:58] <ygnome> justdave: ok. so how should I proceed?
[09:58] <Kirsch> side note: i thikn i already heard someone say in here
[09:59] <Kirsch> i'm getting error msgs with pciehp,shchp, hw_random, display bug?
[09:59] <justdave> ygnome: I can set your password for you so you can get in.
[09:59] <ygnome> justdave: ok that's a plan :)
[10:00] <Kirsch> Despair: it must be something, i can't reproduce the problem...
[10:02] <Skif>  Kirsch: those messages are harmless; they're just the kernel trying to load some modules and failing
[10:02] <justdave> ygnome: long term you could either get your ISP to whitelist us or maybe we'll get the inbound email working one of these days
[10:03] <Despair> hw_random is a disappointingly rare hardware feature.
[10:03] <ygnome> justdave: ok. thanks. maybe be a good idea to have an explanation on the bugzilla sign-up page about it?
[10:03] <justdave> yeah, probably wouldn't hurt.
[10:04] <Treenaks> Despair: unless you're blessed with a  VIA EPIA mainboard/Nehemiah CPU :)
[10:04] <fabbione> re
[10:04] <fabbione> hey Treenaks 
[10:04] <Despair> Treenaks: yeah, that was a smart move by Via.
[10:04] <Treenaks> hi fabbione 
[10:04] <Despair> Now if only they'd get S3 to get out of the way on allowing DRI to fully support S3TC...
[10:05] <Treenaks> Despair: the new VIA driver in xorg supports dri
[10:05] <fabbione> ok if there are no more X problems to solve.. i am back to work on X.org
[10:05] <Treenaks> fabbione: good luck :)
[10:05] <Despair> Treenaks: but not the arb compression extension.
[10:05] <fabbione> Treenaks: thanks! i really really really need it
[10:05] <Treenaks> Despair: arb compression?
[10:06] <Zindar> I have a X problem for you to solve! :)
[10:06] <Despair> GL_ARB_texture_compression
[10:06] <Zindar> I want to be able to add a screen on the fly...
[10:06] <Zindar> without restarting X
[10:06] <Zindar> can you fix that :-)
[10:06] <Zindar> hehe
[10:06] <punkass> lol i would like that too
[10:06] <Zindar> I run dualscreen at the office.. but not at home
[10:06] <punkass> ive got it at home...
[10:07] <punkass> i just made a little script that comments out the 4 nvidia twinview lines
[10:07] <fabbione> Zindar: no :-)
[10:07] <punkass> then do a ctrl-alt-back
[10:08] <Ng> you can kinda do it with twinview metamodes if you don't mind screwing with your resolution ;)
[10:09] <Zindar> punkass: why ? I always have the dualscreen settings,, if I start X with a second screen it works... if not it detects that it's not there and that also works
[10:09] <Zindar> Ng: what's that?
[10:09] <punkass> Zindar: i just do it so i can play ut2004 :)
[10:09] <Ng> Zindar: well, I have 1600x1200 on two monitors except if I change to 1280x1024 it's only on one monitor so I can play games ok
[10:09] <punkass> if i leave both monitors on..it sits in the center of the two
[10:09] <Ng> Zindar: it's not ideal for just turning one monitor off at the desktop though ;)
[10:10] <Zindar> Ng: no
[10:10] <Ng> much nicer than having to restart X to play ut though :)
[10:10] <Ng> I did try having a 1600x1200,NULL metamode as well as 1600x1200,1600x1200, but that just made the xinerama bits go extremely wonky ;(
[10:11] <punkass> Ng: so you just have it set up so depending on the res one or two monitors are on?
[10:11] <Ng> punkass: yep
[10:11] <punkass> slick
[10:12] <Ng> yes, twinview totally rocks :)
[10:12] <punkass> yeah..i am using it...but didnt know i could do that
[10:12] <Ng> Option     "MetaModes"                  "1600x1200,1600x1200; 1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 800x600,800x600; 640x480,640x480"
[10:12] <Ng> that's what makes the magic happen
[10:12] <punkass> then what do u use to select the res?
[10:13] <Ng> I tell ut to play in 1280x1024, which thanks to the third metamode there, I can offer, so it switches to that
[10:13] <punkass> ah automatically...nice
[10:14] <punkass> well since i am 1280 normally... maybe ill do a 1024x768, NULL for ut
[10:14] <Ng> :)
[10:14] <Ng> I was half hoping I could persuade UT to fill both monitors, but having the crosshair on the edge of two monitors with an inch or two of plastic between.... sucked ;)
[10:15] <punkass> haha yeah i bet
[10:15] <JanneM> Ng: you need three monitors, in other words
[10:15] <punkass> that would nice
[10:15] <Ng> JanneM: yeah, but with no xinerama, so I need a triple head geforce ;)
[10:16] <Sn0wman|ZZZzzz> g'nite y'all.
[10:18] <Kirsch> oops LOL
[10:18] <Kirsch> i just dletect my entire /usr/bin folder
[10:18] <Kirsch> HAHAHAAH
[10:18] <Lathiat> that was stupid
[10:18] <Kirsch> i knew it was gonna happen too.. i have no idea why i just did that...
[10:19] <Lathiat> time to reinstall :)
[10:19] <opi^work> happy apt-get -reinstall package ;)
[10:19] <Keybuk> opi^work: and which directory is apt-get in? :p
[10:19] <Kirsch> bah..
[10:19] <opi^work> Keybuk: /bin maybe? ;p
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: ar pf /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzf - -C /
[10:20] <opi^work> too bad
[10:20] <opi^work> emil@rohan:~$ whereis apt-get
[10:20] <opi^work> apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude_0.2.14.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: aptitude reinstall "~i"
[10:20] <Ng> dpkg lives in /usr/bin ;)
[10:21] <Ng> so does ar
[10:21] <Lathiat> your more or less fscked :)
[10:21] <opi^work> everything that not's base sits in /usr/bin ;)
[10:21] <Keybuk> what a silly place to put ar
[10:21] <Kirsch> i know, i'm gonna reinstall, also for that BusID issue
[10:21] <Lathiat> easiest option would be to reinstall :)
[10:21] <Lathiat> Keybuk: not really
[10:21] <Skif> keybuk: if you can't mount /usr, is ar really the tool you're going to be looking to? :)
[10:23] <Ng> tar lives in /bin so you could make a case that ar should too
[10:23] <Ng> especially on a deb based system
[10:24] <opi^work> Ng: tar is usefull to restoring system :)
[10:24] <Keybuk> opi^work: so is ar
[10:24] <Lathiat> the only thing ar is usually used for is dpkg, and thats in /usr/bin, so
[10:24] <Ng> I didn't say it would be a good case ;)
[10:24] <Keybuk> Lathiat: yeah, but if you want to unpack .debs without dpkg (like, say, if you rm /usr) you need ar
[10:25] <Lathiat> i guess
[10:25] <Ng> removing /usr is a bit of an extreme case though ;)
[10:25] <Lathiat> but really if you remove /usr/bin you f**ked up and thats the end of it :)
[10:25] <Ng> and nowhere near as much fun as breaking libc
[10:25] <Lathiat> oh i did that once
[10:25] <Lathiat> that was fun
[10:25] <Lathiat> thank god it wasnt a production box
[10:25] <opi^work> more complex system make are more complex to restore if you fsck something :-)
[10:26] <Lathiat> go shell builtins !
[10:26] <Ng> yeah, I managed to destroy libc on a sparc/32 box with no monitors or keyboards. I had one ssh open to fix it from and (thank goodness), I managed it ;)
[10:26] <Lathiat> this is why I keep a static copy of fileutils and a shell on important servers
[10:26] <Lathiat> Ng: haha
[10:26] <Lathiat> Ng: whatd you do
[10:26] <Skif> Ng: wow, that takes talent (for both causing and fixing the problem :)
[10:27] <opi^work> ok, Im afk for Slackware installation ;-)
[10:27] <Lathiat> Ng: encode a libc into a series of \xxxs and cat it into the library file? :P
[10:27] <Ng> Lathiat: to break it? Try and dist-upgrade to unstable (bad idea on sparc/32 it seems). I think I fixed it with cat, yeah ;)
[10:28] <punkass> Ng: well it didnt like that much :(
[10:28] <Lathiat> Ng: i meant to fix it but yeh heh
[10:28] <Ng> Skif: hehe
[10:28] <punkass> putting "1024x768, NULL" gave a parse error
[10:28] <Ng> paste the error?
[10:28] <krischan> a question: is anyone using the Mozilla Firefox browser around here?
[10:29] <krischan> I'm having a problem with it.
[10:29] <jimi> hi
[10:29] <Skif> kris: I imagine most people are, seeing as ubuntu ships with it :)
[10:29] <Skif> ask away
[10:29] <jimi> are there any public conclusions about yesterday meeting?
[10:29] <Keybuk> sed -e "0,/data\.tar\.gz/d" /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb > data.tar.gz
[10:29] <Keybuk> tar xzf data.tar.gz -C /
[10:30] <Keybuk> there we go :p
[10:30] <punkass> Ng: Parse error on line 107 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:30] <punkass>         "1024x768 , NULL" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[10:30] <Lathiat> Keybuk: are you serious? :P 
[10:30] <krischan> Skif: Yep, I thought so! :) Well, Firefox shows a blinking cursor when displaying web pages, which prevents proper scrolling.
[10:30] <Keybuk> Lathiat: sure.
[10:30] <punkass> (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[10:30] <Lathiat> haha thats a cute hack
[10:30] <Skif> Keybuk: stop that now, before my brain explodes
[10:30] <Ng> punkass: the only obvious difference is I didn't have spaces in mine
[10:30] <jimi> or not yet?
[10:30] <Skif> krischan: can you give a URL which exhibits this problem?
[10:30] <Treenaks> krischan: press f7
[10:30] <Ng> punkass: except after the ;
[10:30] <punkass> i tried with and without
[10:31] <krischan> Whenever I hit Cursor-up, Cursor-down or Page-up, Page-down, instead of simply scrolling the page, the cursor is being moved. I find that extremly nerving!
[10:31] <punkass> the ;?
[10:31] <Treenaks> krischan: press F7 on your keyboard
[10:31] <Skif> ah, that
[10:31] <krischan> Skif: It's everywhere.
[10:31] <Skif> yeah, wot Treenaks said
[10:31] <krischan> Treenaks: I'll try ...
[10:31] <Ng> punkass: paste me the line you put into the config :)
[10:31] <punkass> Ng: i just tried:   Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024 , 1024x768" "1024x768 , NULL"
[10:31] <Ng> ahhh
[10:32] <Ng> too many " :)
[10:32] <krischan> Treenaks: Indeed, that's it. Thank you. Could you explain me, why that cursor is being displayed anyway?
[10:32] <punkass> where?
[10:32] <Treenaks> krischan: it told you when you first pressed F7
[10:32] <Treenaks> krischan: "caret browsing"
[10:32] <Keybuk> Lathiat: ar is a good old-fashioned UNIX file format.  Headers are plain text, terminating in a new line :p
[10:32] <Ng> punkass: it should be: Option    "MedaModes"  "1280x1024,1024x768; 1024x768,NULL"
[10:32] <punkass> ahhh ok thanks
[10:33] <Lathiat> Keybuk: yeh :)
[10:33] <Lathiat> Keybuk: thats jus evil :)
[10:33] <Ng> punkass: np, hope it works :)
[10:33] <punkass> find out right now..brb
[10:34] <Keybuk> Lathiat: nope, it was *designed* so you could do this :p
[10:34] <Keybuk> that's like running away scared when you realise you can cat two .gz files together, and then gunzip them as one :p
[10:34] <Ng> hehe
[10:34] <Skif> keybuk: doesn't that rely on data.tar.gz being at the end of the archive?
[10:34] <krischan> Treenaks: "for selecting text over the keyboard" ... interesting feature. Does it lack an obvious way to be turned off, or am I simply blind? (you can be brutally honest! ;-)
[10:34] <Keybuk> Skif: yes, fortunately so does dpkg :)
[10:35] <Skif> Keybuk: as long as everybody's singing from the same hymnbook, then :)
[10:35] <Lathiat> Keybuk: you can?
[10:36] <Treenaks> krischan: if you turn it on (by pressing F7) it'll give you a dialog box asking if you really really wanted that
[10:36] <Keybuk> Skif: though tar will just skip the junk at the end if data.tar.gz isn't the last thing
[10:36] <krischan> Treenaks: Yep, I noticed, I turned it on and off several times. Okay, thank you for the hint!
[10:37] <Skif> Keybuk: good point; I was thinking if control.tar.gz was there it would unpack that as well, but the header would probably confuse tar enough to stop it, right?
[10:38] <Keybuk> Skif: exactly
[10:38] <krischan> Treenaks: The issue was that it was turned on all the time, since I had updated Firefox, and since I didn't know about the feature, I didn't know what to do about it.
[10:38] <Lathiat> Keybuk: | tar xz, wasting space spitting it out :P
[10:40] <krischan> another question: On a terminal, I like to use the key combination Ctrl-Cursor-left|Ctrl-Cursor-right in order to move the cursor word-wise. In Ubuntu's gnome-terminal this key combination only produces the output "D" and "C" on the command line, without moving the cursor anywhere. Can anybody explain me why?
[10:41] <opi^work> krischan: wrong terminal definition
[10:42] <opi^work> krischan: try export TERM=vt100 and see if it's ok now
[10:42] <guckelheiler> hi, does ubunt use sarge sources?
[10:42] <opi^work> guckelheiler: Read FAQ
[10:42] <jimi> not recommended
[10:42] <opi^work> guckelheiler: you can, but it's bad idea
[10:43] <guckelheiler> but it uses apt?
[10:43] <bob2_> guckelheiler: yes
[10:43] <bob2_> or aptitude or synaptic
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: it's Debian fork
[10:44] <krischan> opi^work: Where shall I define that? In ~/.bashrc ?
[10:44] <guckelheiler> how many softwarepackages are included
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: so it's Debain on it's base
[10:44] <bob2_> guckelheiler: nearly all of Debian sid
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: everything that you can find in SID
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: first, try it on terminal
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: setting term to VT100  will cause that you'll not see ANSI codes
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: so then, try export TERM=ansi
[10:45] <bob2_> opi^work: it doesn't contain everything from sid.
[10:46] <opi^work> bob2_: I stand corrected, almos everything
[10:46] <opi^work> bob2_: Im using Debian SID and Ubuntu, haven't find something missiong, so I assumed so ;)
[10:46] <opi^work> missing
[10:49] <punkass> Ng: well that seems to work pretty nicly
[10:49] <punkass> to bad it restarts X when u exit the game
[10:51] <Ng> punkass: erk, that sounds like a bug :/
[10:51] <punkass> oh yours doesnt do that?
[10:52] <Ng> punkass: newp, exiting the game just pops me back to 1600x1200,1600x1200 desktop
[10:52] <punkass> hmm
[10:52] <Ng> X restarting actually sounds like it crashed
[10:52] <punkass> tho it is still nicer than anything else so far :)
[10:52] <punkass> yeah
[10:52] <Ng> hehe, well that's something :)
[10:53] <xaerius> is ubuntu based on Deb?
[10:53] <bob2_> yes.
[10:54] <xaerius> ok
[10:54] <punkass> Ng: well thanks for your help...time for sleep..later all
[10:54] <opi^work> we need a topic with
[10:54] <opi^work> ,,Before you ask about basics, read FAQ. No, read it! We mean it!''
[10:55] <opi^work> or ,,Ubuntu is based od Debian'' ;)
[10:56] <Ng> punkass: np, cya :)
[10:56] <krischan> opi^work: "export TERM=vt100" doesn't show any effect.
[10:56] <opi^work> krischan: type echo $TERM and see what result will you get
[10:57] <krischan> result is "vt100"
[10:57] <opi^work> (in other TERM, this one has vr100;-)
[11:00] <krischan> Yes, it does. And thsi Ctrl-left Crtl-right don't work properly.
[11:00] <krischan> s/thsi/still/
[11:02] <bob2_> does that work in any terminal at all?
[11:03] <krischan> bob2_: Yep, my "old" terminal on Fedora Core 2 and other distros (e.g. Suse) took that properly.
[11:03] <bob2_> what terminal was that?
[11:03] <bob2_> I've never seen it work
[11:04] <krischan> bob2_: Also gnome-terminal as well, respectively bash.
[11:06] <jamesh> krischan: if it is the bug I think it is, it is a problem in the xterm terminfo definition
[11:06] <jamesh> krischan: the terminal emulator in gnome-terminal uses the terminfo definitions to work out what features to provide.
[11:10] <krischan> jamesh: I'm also searching on the topic, reading something about xterm emulation. Where can I find this xterm terminfo definition, and what do I have to change in order to get it right.
[11:10] <krischan> ?
[11:11] <Ng> I remember being able to use Ctrl-left/Ctrl-right to skip whole words in a shell. that was great.
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: okay, it looks like it is a different problem.
[11:12] <Ng> worked up to about rh9 for me
[11:12] <bob2_> meta-b and meta-f work.
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: try doing this: sudo vi /etc/inputrc
[11:12] <Ng> since then my terminals get more and more broken ;)
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: search for beginning-of-line, and uncomment that line and the one below
[11:14] <jamesh> krischan: if you want ctrl+left/right to work too, uncomment the forward-word/backward-word lines too.
[11:14] <jamesh> krischan: you will have to close your terminal and open it again for the change to take effect
[11:15] <jamesh> I wonder if there is a reason they are commented out?
[11:17] <krischan> jamesh: There are two definitions for both forward-word and backward-word each, shall I uncomment each two?
[11:19] <krischan> It simply W-O-R-K-S!
[11:19] <krischan> Thank you very much, jamesh! :)
[11:19] <jamesh> krischan: the first is all that is necessary
[11:21] <krischan> You know, somehow it is exciting using a distro that isn't configured perfectly yet. By the obstacles you encounter, you really learn something about the OS.
[11:22] <Krypt0n> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6332906063
[11:24] <Krypt0n> oh fuck
[11:24] <Krypt0n> wrong channel
[11:24] <Krypt0n> im so sorry guys :S
[11:24] <Keybuk> Krypt0n: it could've been worse; imagine what you *could* have been looking at on e-bay
[11:24] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:25] <Krypt0n> i was supposed to post it in another channel on another server
[11:25] <Krypt0n> its just that it was the last channel on my channel toolbar... now this one is, so i confused the two lol
[11:26] <Krypt0n> on topic, ubuntu is a really nice distro
[11:26] <Krypt0n> i downloaded the live cd
[11:26] <Krypt0n> top notch :)
[11:26] <Krypt0n> nice and fast, no complaints, except that apt-get didnt work, something about not finding a package list, but then again i'm a bit of a newbie so its most likely my fault :)
[11:27] <mrjive> hi *
[11:29] <__daniel> hellas!
[11:31] <krischan> guys, by "apt-get install build-essentials" one can install everything necessary in order to compile and build programs. Is there something comparable in order to get an Apache web server including PHP up and running?
[11:31] <krischan> perhaps something like "apt-get install web-essentials"?
[11:32] <Ng> krischan: you can often make that work with dependencies too - if you install, say, "php4-mysql" it'll depend on php4, which should depend on apache and so on
[11:32] <Krypt0n> heh on the ubuntu website it has that pic of the 3 people.. what is the significance of that?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> wouldnt some people find that offensive?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> i mean sure people have bikini babes and stuff as wallpapers, but im assuming that pic comes stock standard
[11:33] <Krypt0n> i have no problem with it, im just asking
[11:33] <krischan> Krypt0n: no offense, but are you playing innocent? ;)
[11:33] <Krypt0n> playing innocent?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> :P
[11:34] <Ng> there have been lots of debates about those pictures ;)
[11:34] <Krypt0n> oh
[11:34] <krischan> Krypt0n: I'm just asking because there has been/is going on a very heated discussing about excatly that issue.
[11:34] <Krypt0n> never knew
[11:35] <Krypt0n> haha really?
[11:35] <Krypt0n> this is the first time i've been in here
[11:35] <Krypt0n> a friend of mine told me about the distro and i saw on a forum this irc channel
[11:35] <Krypt0n> so i thought i would see what its about
[11:35] <Krypt0n> so what, are people actually complaining about that pic?
[11:35] <Ng> yup
[11:36] <krischan> Krypt0n: On a boring afternoon, trouble yourself to read the ubuntu-users mailing list archive ... a real thriller, I tell ya!
[11:36] <Krypt0n> i will make sure i do that
[11:36] <Krypt0n> its amazing that a whole discussion about a distro is the login page background :P
[11:38] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: some people seem to confuse porn with pictures of semi-naked people hanging out
[11:38] <krischan> Krypt0n: One might wonder "Why all that heck?" allright, but there are people who really believe is this distro, they want to see it spread, and there're concerns that such pictury could damage the establishment of this distro.
[11:39] <xskoulax> i could understand if they appeared to be doing anything the least bit sexual
[11:39] <Krypt0n> i agree with that
[11:39] <Krypt0n> i personally dont find it offensive
[11:39] <darkersatanic> xskoulax: But to some cultures, they _are_ doing something sexual.
[11:39] <xskoulax> yea
[11:39] <xskoulax> i realise this
[11:39] <Krypt0n> but i can understand how that could prevent it becoming a more widespread distro
[11:39] <Krypt0n> especially for use in schools or workplaces
[11:40] <xskoulax> just bugs me that people can be so dense
[11:40] <__daniel> i dont... Ubuntu just rocks and you can change the artwork
[11:40] <MyKq3> hello , when i tryed to run firefox with hebrew support i resived this massage "warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),  LC_ALL = "he_IL", LANG = "he_IL" are supported and installed on your system.". were can i check it ( or add it) ?
[11:40] <xskoulax> maybe it needs to be an option on the installer
[11:40] <darkersatanic> The consensus here last night was that the current artwork should be shipped, 
[11:40] <darkersatanic> but not as the default.
[11:40] <xskoulax> that would work
[11:40] <darkersatanic> If you like it (and many people do), 
[11:40] <Krypt0n> thats a good idea
[11:40] <darkersatanic> then you can change _to_ the controversial artwork.
[11:40] <Krypt0n> i used the livecd and never noticed it
[11:41] <Krypt0n> but thats because there is no login screen
[11:41] <xskoulax> darkersatanic: i like it my lcd has a faulty pixel that shows up as green on dark colors its right on the black girls nostril
[11:41] <xskoulax> looks great
[11:41] <Krypt0n> haha
[11:41] <Krypt0n> nice :)
[11:41] <Krypt0n> does anyone know who those people are?
[11:42] <__daniel> models from 3 parts of africa :-)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> ahh
[11:42] <xskoulax> looks good from here
[11:42] <__daniel> ;-)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> heh the white girl don't look too bad from up here either ;)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> well both actually
[11:43] <Krypt0n> but hey im a nerd so anything will do
[11:43] <Krypt0n> lol
[11:43] <krischan> MyKq3: have you installed a hebrew language pack already?
[11:44] <xskoulax> tell you what any distro that ships with artwork featuring attractive models gets my vote ;-)
[11:44] <Krypt0n> haha :p
[11:44] <Krypt0n> the only problem is that would affect the growth of the distro
[11:44] <xskoulax> would be nice to increase the number of said desktops though to feature more cultures
[11:44] <MyKq3> krischan,  how can i check it  ?
[11:44] <Krypt0n> since corporate/education users wouldnt like it
[11:45] <Krypt0n> which i assume is the ONLY problem with the picture
[11:45] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: i agree with what you're saying fully, i just want my models with a chocolate filter over them it looks nice ;-)
[11:46] <MyKq3> krischan,  i can c and write in hebrew on firefox .... the problem starts when i m trying to use JAVA app on FireFox 
[11:46] <Krypt0n> haha :P
[11:46] <krischan> MyKq3: Not sure, it's been a while that I had the same problem when I tryed to establish German support ...
[11:46] <krischan> MyKq3: I see.
[11:47] <xskoulax> the previous artwork makes a nice default
[11:47] <Krypt0n> one thing i like about the distro is how it looks very very nice
[11:47] <Krypt0n> very smooth
[11:47] <Krypt0n> very unified
[11:48] <Krypt0n> the last distro i used was mandrake 8.1
[11:48] <Krypt0n> in comparison, this is really really nice
[11:48] <MyKq3> from the error masage i understud that there is a file that contine this info.... the qustion is were is it =\
[11:48] <krischan> MyKq3: Have you restarted Firefox with that command "firefox -UILocale [locale-code]  -contentLocale [NATIONcode] "?
[11:48] <Krypt0n> i can see this distro has a lot of potential, and when i have a chance i'll actually install it
[11:48] <xskoulax> i've had it installed for 2 days now and whilst i havn't done much with it i can see no reason to boot to windows now unless i want to play games
[11:48] <Krypt0n> (im using a laptop and it seems to run perfectly, detected everything)
[11:49] <xskoulax> what laptop/
[11:49] <needhelpbadly> hello all
[11:49] <xskoulax> hi
[11:49] <Krypt0n> its an emachines
[11:49] <xskoulax> hmm
[11:49] <Krypt0n> arima w720-k7
[11:49] <Krypt0n> actually
[11:50] <MyKq3> krischan,  yeah that what i have done
[11:50] <xskoulax> from what i heard my vaio fxa53 will be flawless, the livecd maintainer has one ;-)
[11:50] <Krypt0n> heh cool
[11:51] <Krypt0n> at the moment i have only a 30gb hdd
[11:51] <Krypt0n> but i plan to buy a 80gb soon, when that happens i'll install the latest ubuntu
[11:51] <xskoulax> thats what i thought, only asked as an innocent question just incase and boom lamont serves up an early xmas present
[11:51] <needhelpbadly> are firewalls and antivirus needed on gnu/linux the same as windows?
[11:52] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:52] <Krypt0n> i never checked, but does ubuntu come with any servers running? (ftp/www/ssh?)
[11:52] <Zindar> needhelpbadly: no... 
[11:52] <Zindar> Krypt0n: no
[11:52] <Zindar> :)
[11:52] <Krypt0n> cool
[11:52] <__daniel> needhelpbadly, antivirus not that much, unless you drive a mailserver that might send viruses to the users
[11:52] <needhelpbadly> i soudnt be paranoid?
[11:52] <needhelpbadly> lol
[11:52] <Zindar> Krypt0n: not even installed by default
[11:53] <Krypt0n> excellent
[11:53] <Krypt0n> i can see this going head to head with windows xp the way its going
[11:54] <xskoulax> the thing that has given me the biggest kick so far with ubuntu is the terminal server client, playing civIII running on laptop whilst sitting at desktop was kool
[11:54] <Krypt0n> hehe
[11:55] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: its kicked windows down to gaming only for me so far. i just love the light install, clean desktop, and speed
[11:55] <Krypt0n> i can understand
[11:55] <Krypt0n> i dont even game hah so for me it should be easier
[11:56] <Krypt0n> although san andreas would change that for sure
[11:57] <xskoulax> i'll have to get drivers for my ati sorted out so i can play some quake3 that with reversi and tetris should keep reboots to a min
[11:57] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:58] <Treenaks> xskoulax: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html
[11:58] <Krypt0n> once developers start releasing games for linux, i think a LOT of people will start switching, especially when players like ubuntu release linux to the masses
[12:01] <xskoulax> its kind of a catch22 though developers will only build for linux when it has a good market share and without companies providing 3rd party software many won't switch :-(
[12:01] <xskoulax> then there is the whole closed standards mess like .doc
[12:02] <Treenaks> xskoulax: people are switching to OOo on windows as well
[12:03] <xskoulax> i know i've used it and abiword there
[12:03] <xskoulax> same is happening with firefox
[12:03] <sertmann> can you in gnome/ubuntu invoke a command when a certain device is attached to your system, in my case when my iPod is attached to /dev/sda2 could i set gtkpod to start automagically (like gThumbs does when my camera get's connected)?
[12:04] <xskoulax> open source software is gaining acceptance thankfully, and with longhorn a ways off there is a nice window to capture some market share
[12:05] <sertmann> heads up to the ubuntu devs for that btw...
[12:06] <sertmann> xskoulax: i have a feeling Longhorn will send users screaming away to other OS's when they try it....
[12:06] <xskoulax> can but hope ;-)
[12:06] <nreid> I notice there is much talk about ACPI issues on various laptops in the web forums - Has anyone seen an issue where a process called kacpid goes AWOL and takes all the CPU?
[12:06] <nreid> And the only fix I can find is a reboot...
[12:08] <nreid> ACPI support seems like a real issue for Linux acceptance, I love using Ubuntu (so fast, clean and reliable) but it would be great if all of the ACPI functions were properly supported in a bug-free manner. (SoftSuspend, etc)
[12:08] <xskoulax> sertmann: i'd like for apple to make some cheaper x86/x86-64 boxes and ship a osx version, that way they can keep control over the hardware and we can get a cheaper osx option
[12:09] <sertmann> would be nice if they made x86 boxes at all....
[12:10] <xskoulax> true, the boxes they send products in are better than most x86 boxes
[12:11] <Ng> yeah, apple are going to do "cheaper" ;)
[12:11] <sertmann> lol
[12:12] <sertmann> i would consider osx, but only if it ran on x86 architecture, and i don't see that hapening anytime soon....
[12:13] <muelling> Hello everyone!!!
[12:13] <sertmann> for now ill just use linux...
[12:13] <jamesh> sertmann: really?  I'd prefer to run OS X on the architecture that all the apps are released for ...
[12:13] <xskoulax> well if i can scrape the funds together i want a apple lappy battery life beats the snot out of this vaio
[12:13] <jamesh> with a closed distro, your choice of architecture matters.
[12:14] <sertmann> jamesh, well that would work too....
[12:14] <xskoulax> lol @ Jamesh
[12:14] <sertmann> think we mean the same thing here so no need to argue...
[12:14] <sertmann> :)
[12:15] <sertmann> I can't help that english is not my native language... :p
[12:15] <muelling> Some days ago some weird freaks got MacOS X on the XBOX. What a shame :-) 
[12:15] <xskoulax> as a thought does anyone know about sertmann's question about autostarting gtkpod when attaching his ipod to sda2
[12:16] <muelling> Doing so they used a Mac EMulator on a Mini Linux Installation on the XBOX..... ts ts ts...
[12:17] <xskoulax> muelling: maybe its me but that seems like cheating
[12:17] <muelling> btw.... Wasnt there a plan to release MacOS X for x86 Platforms?
[12:17] <sertmann> xskoulax: got some response in #gnome, not entirely sure what's his babbeling about though, allthough it sounds right.... :)
[12:17] <xskoulax> sertmann: kool
[12:17] <jimi> brb
[12:18] <sertmann> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=55 <- that could work
[12:18] <xskoulax> muelling: i heard that apple has an internal x86 version they developed so they have the choice to switch to x86 chips should they want to
[12:21] <UBMike> I have a monitor that does a little better than 1024x768, but X (nv) wont run above 1024. this is in the log, how do I fix it:
[12:21] <UBMike> (II) NV(0): Not using mode "1152x870" (no mode of this name)
[12:21] <muelling> ah ok. :-) 
[12:21] <muelling> I suggest installing the current nvidia drivers.
[12:22] <UBMike> muelling, ok, how would I go about that?
[12:23] <darkersatanic> UBMike: Try 1152x864 instead.
[12:23] <UBMike> darkersatanic, ok, but how...?
[12:24] <muelling> Just go to www.nvidia.com and download the package. This is a self extracting package that des everything for you.
[12:24] <sertmann> hmmmm wait up
[12:24] <Treenaks> muelling: not necessary, read the Binary Drivers Howto on the wiki
[12:24] <Treenaks> muelling: ubuntu comes with the drivers
[12:24] <sertmann> there some availale via apt
[12:25] <muelling> the only problem you may get are some missing kernel sources. I got the linux sources from www.kernel.org, built my own kernel and then installed the nvidiapackage
[12:25] <xskoulax> Treenaks: are their ati drivers included by chance/
[12:25] <muelling> ah ok. i didnt know that :-) 
[12:25] <xskoulax> ?
[12:25] <Treenaks> xskoulax: I think so
[12:25] <Treenaks> muelling: Read the FAQ first, before trying to answer questions :)
[12:26] <muelling> there are more ways to get to rome you know.... :-)) i just wanted to help :-)
[12:26] <sertmann> hmmm
[12:27] <xskoulax> Treenaks: faq what a novel idea i really should do that sometimes;-)
[12:28] <dyn> i wonder if anyone knows that
[12:28] <dyn> what version of gcc and what optimalization settings are used to build ubuntu..
[12:28] <xskoulax> see thats is the biggest problem with a good community, people go to them for answers
[12:28] <sertmann> Treenaks: well it's not easy to find....
[12:28] <Treenaks> sertmann: it's in the topic!
[12:29] <Treenaks>  FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[12:29] <Ng> dyn: I think that's somewhere on the wiki/faq
[12:29] <Ng> dyn: I vaguely remember reading something about the cpu targets they compile for
[12:29] <sertmann> well i was just looking though the faq, and i still can't find it...
[12:30] <dyn> i just ask, because it's noticably *much* faster than my optimized-for-cpu gentoo built from stage1, and several friends reported the same
[12:30] <dyn> Ng: we really have no idea about how this can happen
[12:30] <Ng> how was the gentoo build "optimized"?
[12:31] <UBMike> Treenaks, when I 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' will I lose X?
[12:31] <Ng> slapping a load of -f and -O gcc options into a config file is not the same as optimising ;)
[12:31] <muelling> dyn: i feel the same wih gentoo. 
[12:31] <dyn> Ng: ok, you got point here :)
[12:31] <Ng> especially -O3 ;)
[12:31] <dyn> i didn't tweak it much, but it was compiled with -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
[12:31] <dyn> i do avoid -O3
[12:31] <dyn> and with -march=i686
[12:32] <dyn> muelling: yea, it's really unbelievable
[12:32] <Ng> dyn: from what I can see, this is built with -march=i486 -mcpu=pentium4
[12:32] <dyn> no -O* settings?
[12:33] <UBMike> bbiab if it works :)
[12:33] <Ng> dyn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/optimised-packages/view
[12:33] <dyn> let me check, Ng
[12:33] <darkersatanic> Aren't the standard Gentoo optimisation flags: -O666 -fomit-instructions
[12:34] <dyn> i'd like to keep that discussion tech-close, if possible
[12:34] <dyn> without going into gentoo flames (pro or kontra :)
[12:34] <darkersatanic> dyn: Sorry. :)
[12:34] <dyn> darkersatanic: thanks ;)
[12:35] <dyn> for example, i dont use kde. but my noob friend installing ubuntu yesterday, reported a KDE startup time of about 5 secs on ubuntu, and had it around 20secs on gentoo
[12:35] <dyn> which is quite a difference
[12:35] <UBMike> Treenaks, well, it's working... :)
[12:35] <UBMike> now to change res...
[12:36] <Ng> dyn: there are so many things that can affect that, it's quite hard to pin it down to gcc
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: the "optimised C library" stands for a tweaked glibc compilation, or something else?
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: yeah i know it's a fast moving target ;)
[12:36] <Ng> I would assume that's just glibc built for i686
[12:36] <sjoerd> dyn: such a big speedup can't be just gcc
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: i'm just looking for any hints or tips on what can cause that
[12:36] <Ng> does gentoo (or unbuntu for that matter) do prelinking?
[12:37] <Ng> that's supposed to speed up c++ apps quite a lot
[12:37] <dyn> gentoo can be configured to use prelinking
[12:37] <dyn> ubuntu uses it? it could explain the vast difference between kde startup times
[12:37] <sertmann> UBMike. good luck, i had to salvage an old XF86Config-4 from my old debian drive to get higher than 640x480 could get ubuntu to configure it properly, if you can't get it working - that's an idea right there :)
[12:37] <Ng> dyn: I'm not sure if ubuntu does, it was just a possibility that sprung to mind
[12:37] <sertmann> couldn't even
[12:38] <UBMike> sertmann, well, I have 1024x768...
[12:38] <dyn> sjoerd: can you confirm ubuntu using extensive prelinking with its packages?
[12:38] <jk> ubuntu doesn't use prelinking...it does something else with gnome
[12:38] <Ng> I see no prelink on my ubuntu install, so I guess it doesn't use it either
[12:38] <sjoerd> dyn: i don't use ubuntu, so no idea
[12:38] <jk> prelink is available in the repo though
[12:39] <sertmann> saw that, but it might have something to do with the hsync and vrefresh you can't go any higher.... did you check your XF86Config-4?
[12:39] <dyn> sjoerd: hmm i thought you lead the yesterday meeting here.. it must be my crap name memory, sorry :)
[12:40] <sjoerd> dyn: that was sabfl or something
[12:40] <UBMike> sertmann, good idea, I have just been looking at the logs so far.
[12:40] <dyn> sjoerd: okay 
[12:41] <UBMike> sertmann,         HorizSync       30-69        VertRefresh     50-130
[12:41] <jk> thread about prelinking: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000349.html
[12:41] <dyn> checking out
[12:42] <UBMike> sertmann, default bitdepth 24, modes: Modes           "1152x870" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600"
[12:42] <UBMike> so, should go...
[12:42] <sertmann> hmmm don't know then, those look fine...
[12:42] <dyn> jk: i'm no native speaker, but Jeff's answer seems to confirm that ubuntu is getting built with prelinking by default, right?
[12:43] <jk> dyn: nope, it uses some gcc options described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00378.html
[12:43] <jk> err linker options
[12:44] <dyn> jk: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html - "Yes. All of Ubuntu is built with it by default." - that lead me to this consequence (wrong, as it seems)
[12:44] <dyn> hmm-mm
[12:44] <jk> dyn: yes you have to read the mail before that
[12:44] <jk> which is msg00378.html
[12:45] <dyn> jk: yup, i'll better read the whole thread
[12:45] <sertmann> UBMike, do you have your old XF86Config-4 from a previous Linux installation where higher res. worked?
[12:46] <sertmann> then you could just copy it and backup the old one....
[12:46] <sertmann> that should work...
[12:46] <dyn> jk: OT, but are you the one who was hanging around irc.gnome.org channels about 2 years ago? :)
[12:46] <UBMike> sertmann, well, that's a long story. It's on the dead disk :(
[12:46] <jk> dyn: nope that's not me :)
[12:47] <sertmann> UBMike: darn, eh? :/
[12:47] <MyKq3> krischan,  thanks man it solved me the problem  :))))
[12:47] <dyn> okay then 
[12:47] <UBMike> sertmann, heh, check this: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (width too large for virtual s
[12:47] <UBMike> ize
[12:48] <dyn> i was very interested in hacking gnome that time, and i slightly remember one of my mentors on glade2 hacking (when the project started)
[12:48] <dyn> then i rather moved towards enterprise java development, so i stopped completely with C coding 
[12:48] <UBMike> sertmann, (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
[12:49] <UBMike> sertmann, the monitor does more with windows, darn it :)
[12:50] <UBMike> sertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): Display dimensions: (300, 230) mm
[12:51] <UBMike> sertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 84)
[12:51] <sertmann> hmmm
[12:51] <UBMike> sertmann, maybe I need to set it to 100dpi somewhere.
[12:51] <Ng> if it's not giving you enough resolution, it could be the monitor refresh settings are wrong
[12:52] <sertmann> yeah
[12:52] <sertmann> i think that too....
[12:52] <sertmann> but they look pretty ok
[12:52] <UBMike> It's a mitsubishi diamond plus 17. about 10 yo
[12:53] <xskoulax> UBMike: is there a model number on the display?
[12:54] <UBMike> TFV6708SKHKW
[12:55] <UBMike> it's a trinitron clone
[12:56] <Kamion> that sounds more like a serial number than a model number
[12:56] <ploum> Hello
[12:56] <ploum> when I launch a terminal, I have :
[12:56] <UBMike> serial # is 808503100
[12:56] <ploum> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:56] <ploum> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[12:56] <ploum> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[12:56] <ploum> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[12:57] <ploum> I simply play with apt-get and packages
[12:57] <ploum> what must I install ?
[12:57] <lupus> gtk2-devel?
[12:58] <seb128> libgtk2.0-dev
[12:58] <UBMike> Kamion, X agrees with me: (**) |   |-->Monitor "TFV6708SKHKW"
[12:58] <sertmann> USBMike: Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 71: Using hsync  30.00-69.00 kHz vrefesh 50.00-130.00 Hz
[12:58] <Kamion> UBMike: fair enough
[12:58] <sertmann> does those match yours?
[12:58] <ploum> thx seb128 and lupus !
[12:58] <Meridian> re all
[12:58] <xskoulax> thats what i'm getting on that display too
[12:58] <UBMike> looks good, let me get my syncs
[12:58] <xskoulax> info wise
[12:59] <xskoulax> sertmann, looks to be the quicker googler
[12:59] <sertmann> :)
[12:59] <UBMike> (II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using hsync range of 30.00-69.00 kHz
[12:59] <UBMike> (II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-130.00 Hz
[12:59] <sertmann> well that's all good then....
[01:00] <sertmann> im dry of idead then....
[01:00] <sertmann> ideas then
[01:00] <UBMike> maybe it's so old...
[01:00] <xskoulax> UBMike: thought about a nice shiny lcd?
[01:01] <UBMike> xskoulax, ooh yea, but I blew the budget inside the box... :)
[01:01] <Meridian> anyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?
[01:02] <xskoulax> UBMike: you need a friend who updates his computer faster than he can change his underware
[01:02] <sertmann> graw.... anyone got any release date on cxoffice 3.1? i want iTunes! :/
[01:02] <UBMike> xskoulax, heh. it was a cast-off celeron 1200, but it's a P4/3.0 now
[01:03] <xskoulax> nice box
[01:03] <PenguinBoy> mornign guys!
[01:03] <xskoulax> beats the snot out of this amd 1.4ghz
[01:03] <sertmann> P4, why didn't you go a AMD64 FX-??? ?
[01:03] <UBMike> xskoulax, everything was dying. the case, cd and floppy remain from the old
[01:04] <sertmann> man i need to stop typing....
[01:04] <bloggsie> How do I get RealAudio working? Is there something for it in Ubunto, or do I have to install it outside the distribution? 
[01:04] <UBMike> sertmann, well I dunno. I thought they weren't all they cracked out to be
[01:05] <PenguinBoy> can you apt-get RealAudio?
[01:05] <bloggsie> That's what I want to know
[01:05] <sertmann> UBMIKE: they're fast a'ight.... :)
[01:06] <UBMike> sertmann, and real stable and cheap?The last Athlon I had needed a fan that would wake the dead...
[01:06] <xskoulax> UBMike: i got lucky on the display a friend got a 15" lcd as a free upgrade with a dell he got a while back but 15" wasn't cutting it so he broke the bank on a 19" so i managed to get the 15" for 100$us when they were running at $350 at only 2 months old i figure it was a steal
[01:06] <xskoulax> well pleased at that purchase
[01:07] <sertmann> well heating was never AMD's stong side.... it's not too bad though, just need to buy proper (low noise) fans
[01:07] <UBMike> xskoulax, cool. the good thing about lcd's is the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.
[01:07] <xskoulax> true
[01:08] <xskoulax> maybe when i manage to get working again i can save up and get some new toys ;-)
[01:08] <UBMike> sertmann, yea. that particular Athlon was involved in a bit of a reactor meltdown one hot night...
[01:08] <Meridian> anyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?
[01:09] <UBMike> Meridian, you're in luck, jdub is a krusader, and he's in this distro!
[01:11] <xskoulax> i would imagine when they start shipping with kde, which i "THINK" they are planning
[01:11] <sertmann> hope not...
[01:11] <xskoulax> sertmann: not in place of gnome
[01:11] <UBMike> what is krusader anyhow?
[01:11] <mjg59> There's no plan to ship with KDE, as such - the CD will be Gnome
[01:12] <sertmann> yes sir...
[01:12] <xskoulax> ok thats koo, i dig gnome more these days anyhoo
[01:12] <sertmann> hope that won't change, atleast not until DR17 is out.... :)
[01:12] <Ng> hehe
[01:12] <FluFlo> anybody  here uses evo to read the news? 
[01:12] <Ng> dream on ;)
[01:13] <Meridian> :-)
[01:13] <StoneTable> one of the packages in ubuntu is the version from debian sid, not experimental (because it relied on gnome 2.8).  Should I file a bug against that, or how do I see who's maintaining that package in ubuntu?
[01:14] <UBMike> StoneTable, is it from universe or warty?
[01:15] <UBMike> StoneTable, if universe: 'software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu..'
[01:16] <StoneTable> yeah, it's from universe
[01:16] <StoneTable> but they grabbed the wrong version
[01:19] <StoneTable> They've got the version of libgnome2-vfs-perl from sid, which supported up to gnome 2.6 features, but not the version from experimental that supported gnome 2.8's vfs.  It _works_, but doesn't support some of the things in 2.8
[01:20] <PenguinBoy> does anyone know hoe to apt-get flash?
[01:20] <StoneTable> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:21] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[01:21] <StoneTable> unless that's a leftover from my sid migration. otherwise it's flashplugin
[01:21] <sertmann> hey that reminds me, is there a mplayer-plugin in ubuntu, or is it marillat all the way?
[01:22] <PenguinBoy> didn;t find file flashplugin
[01:23] <UBMike> PenguinBoy, it's in universe
[01:24] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[01:24] <UBMike> installs nicely too...
[01:26] <eaon> humm. for some reason i can't watch mpegs with totem - is there a gstreamer package i'm missing (like 0.8-mad for mp3?)
[01:27] <Kamion> the usual recommendation seems to be totem-xine
[01:27] <sertmann> i had the same problem, totem-xine worked
[01:27] <sertmann> oh
[01:27] <sertmann> to late :)
[01:30] <eaon> meh, okay
[01:31] <eaon> thanks
[01:31] <eaon> even if i'd have prefered gstreamer ;)
[01:32] <eaon> cool, even makes thumbnails
[01:33] <|trey|> PenguinBoy: multiverse "flashplugin-nonfree"
[01:34] <|trey|> java-package is there too... much better java speed  :)
[01:35] <PenguinBoy> newbie...what does multiverse mean
[01:36] <|trey|> non-free, unsupported
[01:36] <PenguinBoy> k
[01:36] <PenguinBoy> so you can;t apt-get it......you have to download and unzip?
[01:37] <|trey|> main = free, supported; restricted = non-free, supported; universe = free, unsupported; multiverse = non-free, unsupported.
[01:37] <|trey|> Everything will fit into ONE of those  :)
[01:38] <|trey|> Everything has to be distributable though...
[02:12] <junme> whats ubuthu like?
[02:13] <eaon> it's like ... cool ... you know :)
[02:13] <kent> junme, well, its sort of like a fully working GNU/Linux distribution. You get a working desktop thats easy to use.
[02:17] <junme> can I use debain apt?
[02:18] <Zindar> junme: na.. but you can use ubuntu apt :)
[02:18] <Zindar> junme: ubuntu IS debian... but preconfigured with gnome and other sane stuff
[02:19] <junme> can I use kde
[02:20] <Zindar> junme: unsupported but yeah
[02:23] <eaon> you're maybe better off with getting a kde based desktop distro
[02:24] <__daniel> eaon, why should junme? ubuntu ROCKS hard - it's not just gnome that makes it rock
[02:26] <dyn> eaon: i wouldn't say kde is clearly more popular
[02:26] <dyn> 90% of my linux users friends prefer gnome (myself included), for example
[02:26] <dyn> and we talk about ~20 guys at least
[02:27] <Zindar> I know ONE person who runs kde
[02:27] <eaon> hey i'm not pro-kde :)
[02:27] <Zindar> and about 300 that runs gnome
[02:27] <Zindar> so.. :)
[02:28] <sikkh> you make me feel bad for running KDE
[02:28] <sikkh> ;(
[02:28] <dyn> lol sikkh :)
[02:28] <__daniel> where do i make a "package from debian sid"-request?
[02:31] <sikkh> I used to run GNOME but since one year I run KDE only
[02:31] <sikkh> Kontact&Konqueror is simply too good :P
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: ubuntu-users I think...
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: not sure though...
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: and this close to release you are on your own I'd think
[02:31] <dyn> how close?
[02:31] <Zindar> dyn: tomorrow
[02:31] <__daniel> Zindar, i wouldn't care if they add it to universe in 2 weeks :-)
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: try half a year
[02:31] <Zindar> :)
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: before next release :)
[02:31] <TheMuso> What I have done with packages from Debian that I have wanted, I have connected to a Debian source mirror, grabbed the source, and rebuilt on Ubuntu.
[02:31] <dyn> Zindar: woot! :)
[02:31] <__daniel> TheMuso, that's what i did, too
[02:31] <Zindar> TheMuso: that's the best was I think
[02:31] <brosen> Of course, in half a year we'll have Gnome 2.10 as well :-)
[02:31] <Zindar> dyn: or run hoary universe when it comes
[02:31] <Zindar> I belive that warty universe will be frozen except for some bugfixes if someone creates them
[02:32] <dyn> a smart move
[02:35] <sikkh> btw why KDE is not among "supported" apps?
[02:35] <sikkh> maintaining it along with GNOME would be too much burden?
[02:35] <dyn> sikkh: see the faq
[02:35] <dyn> it's coming
[02:35] <sikkh> oki
[02:35] <dyn> but not in the focus atm
[02:35] <TheMuso> I believe there are too many KDE centered distros.
[02:35] <TheMuso> IMO
[02:36] <sikkh> TheMuso heh
[02:39] <stvn> hi is there a known issue with the warty-rc installer iso and cdrdao 1.1.9?
[02:40] <TheMuso> Have you checked bugzilla?
[02:40] <dyn> oh well, i wanted to say already - sdl got some problems out of the box
[02:40] <dyn> hangs frozen-bubble and such
[02:40] <dyn> but that was with sounder9 i believe
[02:40] <stvn> TheMuso: nope, didn't spot bugzilla yet, searching now
[02:43] <stvn> hm can't find any bug related to the iso/cdrdao
[02:44] <dyn> haha
[02:44] <dyn> what a quit message ;)
[02:44] <Kamion> why do people still use timebombed shareware when perfectly good free software equivalents are available?
[02:45] <mrjive> re
[02:46] <TheMuso> Hey mrjive 
[02:46] <Ng> Kamion: not everyone has freshmeat built into their psyche yet ;)
[02:46] <mrjive> hi TheMuso
[02:47] <Kamion> Ng: I haven't even looked at freshmeat since about 1999
[02:47] <dgtl> hi everyone
[02:47] <Ng> Kamion: my point was meant to be something along the lines of people not knowing where to find good software, or knowing what is good when they get there, so they go for something that works, now ;)
[02:47] <TheMuso> That is true as well.
[02:48] <dgtl> i have some problems ... my system tries to synchronize via ntp before my pcmcia wireless card is activated... anyone know a workaround?
[02:48] <Ng> Kamion: I use debian/ubuntu and freshmeat still lists a boatload more softwrae than either of them :)
[02:48] <Kamion> Ng: the former are good filters for the stuff that's at least minimally worthwhile
[02:48] <TheMuso> dgtl: The best sollution is to move the startup position for the ntp script after the PCMCIA startup.
[02:49] <dgtl> ok... which files is involved?
[02:49] <Ng> Kamion: nonsense, they let me package stuff, the worthwhile filters are clearly broken ;)
[02:49] <Kamion> look in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d
[02:49] <dgtl> ok thanks
[02:49] <Kamion> Ng: I did say "minimally" :)
[02:49] <Ng> hehe
[02:52] <TheMuso> That is actually quite nasty. PCMCIa is brought up after one moves into multi-user mode, I.E runlevel 2. The NTP and networking stuff happens in single user mode. This is actually worth taking up with the devs.
[02:52] <dgtl> yeah i agree
[02:52] <dgtl> :P
[02:53] <Kamion> there's already a bug about it I think; if there isn't, please file one
[02:53] <Kamion> there's probably a chicken-and-egg problem of some kind
[02:53] <Kamion> networking has to come up early
[02:54] <agenteo> hi, I've got a problem installing ubuntu. I've selected 4 partitions / (100mb) /usr (~2GB) /var (~2GB) /home (~2GB) /tmp(500MB) while I was installing I've seen no space left on device... after the login df tells / is full...
[02:54] <kent> Is there some way to make the initscript print the [ok]  in colors like the Fedora/Redhat-way?
[02:54] <Treenaks> agenteo: well, maybe / is full?
[02:54] <Kamion> 100MB is probably indeed slightly too small for /.
[02:54] <mrjive> ciao Scognito
[02:55] <mrjive> agenteo, :)
[02:55] <Kamion> kent: not in a way that persists across upgrades, at the moment.
[02:55] <agenteo> Kamion: is it? It was enough with debian sid... :-\
[02:55] <Kamion> agenteo: an Ubuntu default install is bigger than a Debian default install
[02:55] <Scognito> ciao mrjive :D
[02:56] <mrjive> agenteo, actually 100mb are not so much... you could have been more generous :P
[02:56] <Kamion> agenteo: we have more kernel modules and we install some firmware in /lib by default, which might be enough to push it over the edge
[02:56] <dgtl> can i change the background color behind the splash?
[02:56] <agenteo> so how big should be the / partition for ubuntu?
[02:56] <Scognito> how exactly do i have to install to get nvidia modules working on ubuntu?
[02:56] <Scognito> i use kernel 2.7.x optimized for i686
[02:57] <Kamion> agenteo: do you really need separate / and /usr? most people don't, these days
[02:57] <kent> Scognito, read the documentation on Ubuntus homepage?
[02:57] <Scognito> ok
[02:59] <agenteo> Kamion: it's a legacy from debian and I like it... maybe it's unuseful in some cases
[03:00] <Treenaks> Scognito: kernel 2.7.x ? impressive
[03:01] <Kamion> agenteo: doing an install now to test, I'll let you know
[03:01] <dyn> agenteo: using LVM2 is the best of both worlds imho
[03:01] <Kamion> agenteo: I don't think that's the Debian default now either
[03:01] <Kamion> nope, Debian defaults to / and swap
[03:02] <Zindar> having separate partitions is just wrong... separate LV's is great though
[03:03] <dyn> yeah
[03:03] <dyn> unfortunately LVM2 aint too popular/well known imho
[03:03] <dyn> in spite of it's plain easy to use
[03:04] <Kamion> I'm hoping the next version of the installer will have much smoother LVM support
[03:04] <Kamion> we may even be able to default to it on new installations
[03:04] <Kamion> although ext3 isn't shrinkable so that might be hard
[03:04] <agenteo> if you have 20GB or something like that of /, when something go wrong? Do you loose the system?
[03:05] <Kamion> agenteo: that could easily happen to your / or /usr or /var and you'd still be mostly hosed; you have backups for that sort of thing?
[03:05] <dyn> agenteo: it's more geek to partition your system properly ;P (it allows for fine tuned partition mount options, using different filesystems for different uses, easier backup, etc)
[03:05] <Kamion> in practice that's vanishingly rare
[03:05] <Zindar> Kamion: ext3 is shrinkable.. used to anyway
[03:05] <Scognito> Treenaks, ahhaha sorry i woke up 5 minutes ago :D
[03:05] <Zindar> Kamion: reiserfs/xfs/jfs isn't 
[03:05] <Kamion> Zindar: you're right about ext3, sorry
[03:06] <Kamion> although only offline
[03:06] <Kamion> Zindar: I thought reiserfs was
[03:06] <Zindar> yeah...
[03:06] <Zindar> Kamion: only grow:able
[03:06] <Zindar> Kamion: unless that's changed in the last two years :)
[03:06] <Zindar> hehe
[03:06] <Kamion> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2003-07/msg00020.html mentions reiserfs shrinking
[03:07] <Kamion> as does http://www.namesys.com/resize_reiserfs.html
[03:07] <Zindar> ahh
[03:07] <Zindar> alright.. like I said.. two years since I checked
[03:08] <Scognito> kent, it is not in the faq/tutorial/how-to
[03:09] <sabdfl> does namesys acknowledge the data loss issues with reiser that elmo's so fond of?
[03:09] <daniels> sabdfl: not really, no
[03:09] <daniels> sabdfl: only really with patches
[03:12] <stvn> anyone tried burning the warty rc image with cdrdao? I can't get it working
[03:12] <thully> Have they made the infamous artwork changes in the daily build yet?
[03:13] <Kamion> thully: not yet
[03:13] <TheMuso> stvn: Why not use cdrecord?
[03:13] <mirak_> hi room, good morning
[03:13] <thully> will they be ready for the release?
[03:13] <Kamion> thully: they are a release blocker
[03:13] <Kamion> (at least, AIUI)
[03:13] <thully> meaning the release waits for the artwork change?
[03:13] <stvn> TheMuso: cdrecord complains at being run at a 2.6.8 kernel - it doesn't work
[03:13] <DXT> guys, how can i add categories to the gnome applications menu?
[03:14] <Kamion> thully: it'll happen sometime today I think, I don't think the release should actually have to wait
[03:14] <Treenaks> stvn: dev=/dev/whereeveryourcdromi
[03:14] <Treenaks> s
[03:14] <TheMuso> stvn: Were you trying using the SCSI emulation layer or the ATAPI support?
[03:14] <mirak_> dxt, right click, or there is a munu under "computer-system config"
[03:14] <thully> how do you enable software suspend in the kernel while retaining Ubuntu customizations and wi-fi drivers?
[03:15] <stvn> TheMuso: er, how can I find out?
[03:15] <TheMuso> stvn: What command are you trying to use with cdrecord?
[03:15] <thully> what's the new artwork going to be?  the artwork from the preview release?
[03:15] <sabdfl> thully: no, packages will be available shortly for preview
[03:16] <thully> does it have people, or just generic Ubuntu logos
[03:16] <stvn> TheMuso: cdrecord -scanbus to see where my device is, but it gives a long warning message about unsettled issues on 2.5+ kernels
[03:16] <stvn> TheMuso: it's a debian system, cdrdao until recently had no problem burning isos
[03:17] <rjek> How do you get cdrdao to write ISO images?  That's something I never really worked out.
[03:17] <DXT> anyone else knows how to add categories to the menu? (such as Games, Internet and so on.. I want to add "Development")
[03:18] <Kamion> agenteo: this freshly installed Ubuntu/amd64 system with separate /, /usr, /home, /var has about 125MB used in /.
[03:18] <Zindar> DXT: programming is there if you have anything that matches that
[03:19] <stvn> hm, right using cdrecord seems to work afterall
[03:19] <DXT> Zindar, I didn't get it..
[03:20] <Zindar> DXT: then you have no program that fits that category :)
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: in general.. ctrl-f2 applications:///
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: do whatever you like
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: killall gnome-panel
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: and you should have it
[03:21] <DXT> ok
[03:21] <DXT> thank you
[03:22] <Kamion> ctrl-f2?
[03:23] <Kamion> alt-f2 maybe?
[03:23] <DXT> thats actually search but nvm
[03:23] <DXT> i installed anjuta and now i see it ;)
[03:23] <DXT> btw, how can i get rid of the mounted drives icons on the desktop?
[03:23] <Zindar> alt-f2
[03:23] <Zindar> unmount them?
[03:23] <Zindar> :)
[03:23] <DXT> smarty pants
[03:23] <DXT> :P
[03:24] <DXT> i dont want to unmount them, i just want to see them on "Computer" and not on my desktop
[03:24] <Kamion> /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible no in gconf-editor
[03:24] <janl> DXT: in gconf, /apps/nautilus/desktop/volmues_visible
[03:24] <Kamion> there might be a less registry-ish way to do it ...
[03:24] <DXT> that's fine thank you :)
[03:25] <Zindar> actually.. since ubuntu works with a "clean" desktop... WHY isn't that default?
[03:25] <Zindar> s/works/starts/
[03:25] <Kamion> Zindar: it was a compromise; if you don't put the icons on the desktop, there's no discoverable way to cleanly unmount those filesystems
[03:26] <Zindar> Kamion: alright...
[03:26] <Kamion> Zindar: we'll probably be doing something better for hoary, although I'm not familiar with the details
[03:26] <Zindar> oki
[03:26] <Ng> it's nice and uncluttered, but it could at least do with the Trash icon
[03:26] <Ng> I couldn't actually find that anywhere ;)
[03:27] <DXT> that reminds me
[03:27] <spiv> I think the plan is to show removable volumes in the notification area, or something like it, on the panel.
[03:27] <DXT> how can i get it to show on the desktop? :X
[03:27] <DXT> the trash icon
[03:27] <Ng> it'll be in the same place as the gconf stuff just now, I expect
[03:27] <Ng>  /apps/nautilus/desktop/ or thereabouts
[03:27] <DXT> on to the registry! :] 
[03:29] <DXT> no chance it can be "trash_icon_visible"? :P
[03:29] <Zindar> no.. that sounds wrong... can't be it :)
[03:33] <junme> do you have a torrent?
[03:33] <kent> Why not put mounted and mountable drives in the Computer menu on the panel? Make Disks into a submenu and put the drives there? That would be nice. :)
[03:33] <brosen> I have a 1GHz athlon. Will the k7 kernel give me any noticeable benefits when viewing movies on dvd etc?
[03:34] <TheMuso> brosen: Not as much as ensuring your drive is using DMA mode will.
[03:35] <Kamion> kent: discoverability; people need to know how to unmount their removable devices without being intimately familiar with our menu system
[03:36] <brosen> TheMuso: Thanks, I was trying to think of a reason not to go with the default kernel ;-)
[03:39] <brosen> I should probably have asked, "why should I use the k7 kernel?"
[03:39] <Mithrandir> brosen: it's a bit faster, you might notice it or not, it shouldn't harm in any case.
[03:40] <mrjive> hi pitti
[03:40] <pitti> Hi mrjive
[03:41] <brosen> Mithrandir: Is it selectable on installation? Do I just pass an option? Hm, this must be somewhere on the faq...
[03:41] <Mithrandir> brosen: it should be autodetected, or you can install it using synaptic afterwards.
[03:42] <brosen> Mithrandir: Thanks for the help .-)
[03:42] <Mithrandir> brosen: happy to help :)
[03:43] <Noodles> Arse. Back to the drawing board.
[03:43] <Noodles> Sorry. ww.
[03:44] <Kamion> brosen: the k7 kernel isn't autodetected because it isn't on the CD; unless you're doing a netboot install, you'll have to install it afterwards
[03:45] <mrjive> i noticed, on two machines with nvidia vga cards, that xfree86 uses 800x600 at 24 while it could use 1024x768 at 16 bit. Don' you think the latter would be a better default?
[03:45] <pitti> mrjive: sounds like a matter of preference
[03:46] <pitti> mrjive: can you switch the mode in the Gnome menu?
[03:46] <pitti> mrjive: i. e. did the installation detect the 1024 mode?
[03:46] <brosen> Kamion: Thanks for the heads up.
[03:46] <mrjive> pitti, mo, because of the 24/16 bit
[03:47] <mrjive> pitti, actully if i remember well, it was 640x480
[03:48] <mrjive> pitti, the only resolution mentioned is 640x480 (or 800x600 if i'm wrong now)
[03:48] <pitti> mrjive: hmm, it would be nice if higher resolutions with less colors would be displayed, too
[03:49] <Zindar> I don't think you can change colordepth on the fly in xfree
[03:49] <mrjive> pitti, yes
[03:49] <pitti> Zindar: right, but it should be possible to configure it for next booting
[03:49] <mrjive> pitti, I think only supported resolution with the default depth are displayed
[03:50] <Zindar> pitti: that's not how that works.. that only ... see mrjive's answer
[03:50] <pitti> hmm, okay
[03:51] <bur[n] er> has anyone used "wxMusic" or "GTorrentViewer" ??
[03:52] <abstrato_general> wasn't Ubuntu due today?
[03:52] <abstrato_general> I mean, the official release.
[03:53] <Mithrandir> nope, tomorrow.
[03:53] <abstrato_general> is it on schedule?
[03:53] <Kamion> abstrato_general: so far
[03:53] <abstrato_general> I mean, is it likely that they'll be able to meet the deadline?
[03:53] <Kamion> yes
[03:54] <abstrato_general> okay.
[03:54] <abstrato_general> thanbks.
[04:07] <mirak_-> what is the lightest of lightest window managers???
[04:07] <Ng> evilwm ;)
[04:07] <mirak_-> ng, that is based off of icewm???
[04:07] <Ng> it's based off pure evil ;)
[04:07] <sikkh> twm? :)
[04:07] <mirak_-> ng, lol
[04:07] <Ng> it draws a 1 pixel border around the windows and you use the keyboard to talk to it ;)
[04:08] <mirak_-> ng, hmmmmm
[04:08] <Ng> above that, probably ion I guess
[04:08] <mirak_-> ng, ion scares me
[04:08] <joolz> http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/aewm/
[04:08] <spiv> mirak_-: ratpoison, ion :)
[04:08] <joolz> http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html
[04:09] <joolz> don't know them, but google did :)
[04:09] <spiv> fluxbox is pretty lightweight, I think, and not quite as extreme as ion...
[04:09] <spiv> Oh, and pwm.
[04:09] <mirak_-> thank you all
[04:09] <mirak_-> I have decided........
[04:10] <joolz> mirak_-: let me guess... screen?
[04:10] <joolz> :)
[04:10] <mirak_-> screen???
[04:10] <joolz> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Window_Managers/
[04:10] <della> hi
[04:10] <joolz> there it's listed as a window manager
[04:10] <joolz> why not actually?
[04:10] <della> I upgraded from sarge, everything went more or less fine
[04:10] <Zindar> well.. it manages windows....
[04:10] <Zindar> kinda
[04:10] <della> but now portmap refuses to work
[04:10] <joolz> yep
[04:11] <mirak_-> joolz, thnx
[04:11] <joolz> mirak_-: didn't you know it? it's a must, even if you use another wm
[04:11] <joem> you can find some pretty good guides to using screen as a powerful wm
[04:11] <joolz> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Window_Managers/
[04:11] <della> i get errors like Oct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
[04:11] <della> Oct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
[04:12] <della> when I try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[04:12] <aitrus> della: check out /etc/defaults/portmap and make sure it isn't bound to localhost
[04:12] <della> /etc/defaults/portmap doesn't exist
[04:13] <aitrus> and you have portmap isntlaled?
[04:13] <della> yes
[04:13] <aitrus> weird
[04:13] <della> maybe I still have some legacy sarge package
[04:13] <della> that has a version number higher than ubuntu
[04:14] <Ng> slightly off topic, but what does one do to repair a slightly knackered fat partition?
[04:14] <Ng> say, after you unplug a USB drive while rsyncing lots of stuff to it ;(
[04:14] <spiv> Ng: There's a fsck.vfat, but I'd probably backup the entire partition with dd first, just in case.
[04:15] <Ng> hehe
[04:15] <Ng> tbh I was seriously considering vaping it and putting ext3 on so this can't happen quite so easily ;)
[04:15] <della> what does "dpkg -S /etc/defaults/portmap" do to you?
[04:15] <Ng> dpkg: /etc/defaults/portmap not found.
[04:16] <Ng> is that especially surprising?
[04:16] <della> aitrus said that it's installed by portmap
[04:16] <Ng> della: /etc/default/portmap not defaults :)
[04:17] <della> Ng: argh
[04:17] <della> ok, thanks, it listens only on localhost
[04:17] <joolz> i think i know, but just to be sure: is it safe to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[04:17] <della> but I think it's not a good thing, since it breaks existing installations
[04:18] <joolz> della: in which way?
[04:18] <Ng> joolz: should be, afair that's just a metapackage. you can do a "dpkg -L ubuntu-desktop" if you want to see if it has any important files in it (if any)
[04:18] <spiv> joolz: it's only a task, so yes.
[04:18] <lamont> ubuntu-desktop is nothing but a copyright file and a boatload of depends.
[04:18] <Ng> it does mean you won't get new ddesktop packages automatically installed though
[04:18] <della> joolz: in sarge /etc/default/portmap didn't exist
[04:19] <della> so people coming from sarge (and, I guess, debian 3.0)
[04:19] <joolz> della: sorry, that was a different subject :)
[04:19] <joolz> nm
[04:19] <abstrato_general> it's not much of a problem changing kernels in Ubuntu, is it?
[04:19] <lamont> but future upgrades might miss new desktop programs if ubuntu-desktop is removed..
[04:19] <joolz> the problem is that a lot of stuff i don't need depends on ubuntu-desktop
[04:20] <joolz> like wvdial (why on earth is that?)
[04:20] <lamont> nothing depends: ubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <lamont> ubuntu-desktop is a task that depends on everything in the desktop seed
[04:21] <joolz> lamont: sorry, i don't eally understand that
[04:21] <joolz> r
[04:22] <UBMike> joolz, u can remove ubuntu-desktop and leave wvdial I think, but not the other way around.
[04:22] <lamont> joolz: if you apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then you can remove wvdial (that is to say, if you remove wvdial, it will remove ubuntu-desktop)
[04:23] <joolz> UBMike: i know, but i don't understand why one would create a package that doesn't do anything itself, but only has dependencies pointing to it.
[04:23] <lamont> and ubuntu-desktop is nothing more than a "package" of dependencies to pull in all of the "desktop" stuff
[04:23] <lamont> it has no dependencies pointing to it, rather they point from it.
[04:23] <UBMike> joolz, listen to lamont
[04:24] <joolz> UBMike: sure :)
[04:24] <lamont> and the purpose is so that you can say 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' instead of apt-get install <long and not necessarily constant over time list of packages>'
[04:24] <joolz> lamont: ok, but what's the point?
[04:24] <joolz> lamont: ah! that makes sense
[04:24] <lamont> once it's installed, it can safely be removed.
[04:24] <abstrato_general> lamont: what, you have a terminal with voice recognition? :-)
[04:24] <UBMike> lamont rocks, joolz. be nice to him :)
[04:24] <lamont> however, if the desktop list adds new packages later, you might not get them
[04:25] <joolz> lamont: i'll worry about that then :)
[04:25] <lamont> abstrato_general: nah, just anticipating questions
[04:25] <joolz> i guess it's the same for ubuntu-base?
[04:25] <lamont> joolz: and removing it will free up several kilobytes of disk space.
[04:25] <lamont> yep
[04:25] <joolz> great, thanks
[04:25] <abstrato_general> I wish there was a simple way to have voice recognition in a terminal.
[04:25] <joolz> abstrato_general: shout really loud! :)
[04:25] <lamont> abstrato_general: I talk too much already, frequently to the computer.
[04:26] <lamont> what I really want is 'keyboard focus follows mind;
[04:26] <joolz> what i would like is voice recognition in a user :)
[04:26] <abstrato_general> Well, use focus-follows-mouse. You quickly get used to it.
[04:26] <abstrato_general> I never ever click with my mouse, I just move it around :)
[05:06] <Android16> Hello
[05:06] <Android16> Lots of Ubuntu fans here
[05:07] <Android16> in which file do you store static routes ?
[05:15] <ddaa> I configured postfix with an mail address (ddaa.net) which is a different machine than my workstation (nemesis.xlii.org) so messages sent with mail have a from header which says @ddaa.net. But the consequence is that mail to local users (including mail to root) is routed by ddaa.net instead of being delivered locally.
[05:17] <ddaa> What's the way to have a modified From header for mail sent by users, while without preventing local delivery of mail for local users?
[05:19] <daniels> configure your MUA to set the right From header instead
[05:20] <ddaa> daniels: said mua is arch-submit-merge and as you know it has no such option.
[05:21] <daniels> i don't, unfortunately
[05:21] <daniels> but I suppose I do now
[05:21] <daniels> doesn't it just use mail(1)?
[05:21] <ddaa> Though maybe it could fix it somehow. But I'd prefer a way to alter the default From header used by mail(1)
[05:21] <JStrike> No wvdial in ubuntu. Theres a brainfart if I ever saw one. Has this been fixed in newer releases? Mine is a bit old 
[05:22] <Zomb> JStrike: what is wrong with chat? (used by default)
[05:23] <daniels> JStrike: we use pppd/pppconfig per default; wvdial is available through universe.
[05:23] <JStrike> Zomb: The only way I saw tp connect was through the network interface app, which tells you it needs wvdial
[05:24] <JStrike> daniels : Is there a different dialer I didn't see?
[05:24] <daniels> JStrike: run 'sudo pppconfig'
[05:25] <JStrike> mmm....I tried sudo /sbin/ifup ppp0
[05:25] <JStrike> daniels : Ubuntu really should get their gui apps to use the correct utility
[05:27] <Android16> my Ubuntu has wvdial
[05:27] <Android16> 4.10
[05:27] <JStrike> And the IO errors when copying from CD. Either in Nautilus or using cp. Are these errors fixed?
[05:27] <JStrike> Android16 : I have been downloading my Ubuntu for the last week or two, so mine is a bit old
[05:28] <JStrike> But I cant get online to update it :-)
[05:28] <daniels> JStrike: yes, we're going to fix that for our next release.  bear in mind this is the first release we've ever done.
[05:28] <plasmo> ;)
[05:28] <daniels> JStrike: and IO errors are a result of having a dodgy CD, basically.  not Ubuntu'fs fault.
[05:28] <Android16> I like it
[05:28] <JStrike> daniels : Tried with 3 cd's
[05:28] <mirak_-> daniels=dev?
[05:28] <Android16> never seen any Linux dist this nice
[05:28] <daniels> mirak_-: yeah
[05:29] <mirak_-> kk
[05:29] <plasmo> yep ubuntu is nice :)
[05:29] <Android16> been runign it 4 a week now , instead of Windows XP
[05:29] <daniels> JStrike: possibly the CD drive.  IO error means 'crap, I couldn't read from this part of the CD, the drive isn't letting me'
[05:29] <stvn> w00t got ubuntu installed :)
[05:29] <mirak_-> daniels, thank you ....your team saves my linux life :)_
[05:29] <plasmo> lol
[05:29] <JStrike> daniels : It changes every time I try. It will read 30mb, then next time 120mb, etc
[05:30] <daniels> mirak_-: no worries :)
[05:30] <daniels> JStrike: possibly a bad drive, then.
[05:30] <Android16> even got my Palm to sync with it the other day 
[05:30] <Android16> took my like 3 minutes to install a network printer
[05:31] <JStrike> But btw, other than the wvdial thing, really amazing distro. Finally got rid of the pile of crap that is Suse 9.1
[05:31] <JStrike> But with jdub at the helm, how could it not be great
[05:31] <plasmo> lol same here. had suse 9.1 before. bloated crap :|
[05:31] <Mitario> anyone seen mvo_?
[05:31] <mirak_-> what is mvo?
[05:31] <JStrike> And anything sabdfl touches is great
[05:32] <Mitario> michael vogt :)
[05:32] <mirak_-> ahh
[05:32] <mirak_-> nope
[05:32] <Keybuk> who left jdub at the helm?  he's disqualified for drink-coding
[05:32] <mirak_-> lol
[05:32] <JStrike> Ok. Let me try this with pppconfig. Cheers
[05:33] <ddaa> okay, another 
[05:33] <daniels> Keybuk: he's probably asleep
[05:34] <daniels> Keybuk: but Ubuntu is most certainly *not* powered by malibu and Coke
[05:34] <ddaa> What's the way to set environment variables for all the login methods?
[05:34] <Keybuk> daniels: "Cooper's Inside" ?
[05:34] <daniels> Keybuk: ditch the apostrophe and you're there :)
[05:34] <stvn> hm, why does keeping a key pressed not work? eg. arrow-keys to scroll down?
[05:34] <Keybuk> stvn: xset r on
[05:35] <Keybuk> ddaa: there isn't one at the moment
[05:37] <ddaa> Keybuk: so the way is to set a .xsession for graphical logins and a .bash_profile 
[05:37] <ddaa> for shell logins?
[05:37] <stvn> aw, ubuntu didn't properly recognise my monitor :(
[05:37] <Keybuk> ddaa: pretty much
[05:37] <Android16> what about /etc/profile ?
[05:37] <ddaa> Keybuk: that's already a planned hoary feature or should I file it?
[05:38] <Keybuk> ddaa: what environment variables do your graphical things need?
[05:39] <ddaa> I'd love to PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH and REPLY_TO=david@allouche.net
[05:39] <ddaa> though maybe I won't need reply-to after reading the mailx manual
[05:41] <Kamion> ddaa: uncomment the PATH bit in .bashrc, uncomment the bit in .bash_profile that sources .bashrc
[05:41] <Kamion> ddaa: that should be sufficient
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> hello
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> i just downloaded ubuntu
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> and i'm stuck
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> a friend told me to come and look here
[05:41] <ddaa> Kamion: i want it to be set at the graphical login, not in every shell that is started
[05:41] <Android16> got the newest apache web server and mysql running on ubuntu
[05:42] <Kamion> ddaa: then get .xsession to source .bashrc too
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> Can Anyone help?
[05:42] <Kamion> ddaa: (with suitable guards in .bashrc for interactivity etc.)
[05:42] <Ng> gerardvschipx: maybe, what's the problem?
[05:42] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, what is the problem???
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> I get failed to install yaboot
[05:42] <ddaa> Kamion: yeah... I used to have some stuff in .bash_profire and .xse
[05:42] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, beyond me,.............im out
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> I'm installing on an external pocket drive connected to my Powerbook
[05:43] <Keybuk> ddaa: though why does the graphical stuff need that?  *confused*
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> Lol, thanks mirak
[05:43] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: yaboot doesn't know how to find the openfirmware path to firewire drives at the moment, I'm afraid
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> ah
[05:43] <ddaa> Keybuk: for example, for mini-commander, application launcher, emacs, and probably other.
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> thank you
[05:43] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, that is a bummer
[05:43] <Keybuk> ddaa: ah, the PATH, duh; missed that, sorry :p
[05:43] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: there's a bug open about it, I need to find time to look at it
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> that explains why it thinks its a scsi drive
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> ok, now i know what to do
[05:44] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: I think it is, on some levels ...
[05:44] <mirak_-> kamion=dev as well?
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> copy my interl drive to external and stick ubuntu on my internal drive!
[05:44] <Kamion> mirak_-: yes
[05:44] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: that's certainly another option :-)
[05:44] <mirak_-> hmm.......
[05:46] <Ng> cool
[05:47] <Ng> a gnome-look-a-like firefox theme
[05:47] <Ng> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/
[05:47] <mirak_-> ng, ooooh I like it
[05:47] <Ng> since epiphany is broken six ways from sunday, firefox with that theme is the nearest alternative ;)
[05:48] <mirak_-> there is a link to thunderbirs icons on that page as well
[05:50] <Ng> mirak_-: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=62749
[05:51] <mirak_-> yeah...thats what I am talking about
[05:51] <superted_> didn't work with my ubuntu firefox
[05:51] <mirak_-> there is a link to that on the first page you mentioned
[05:52] <Ng> superted_: doh. I'm on a fedora box at work right now and it worked.
[05:52] <Ng> maybe the one in ubuntu is older
[05:52] <stvn> hm, the mouse appears to be slow, if I click and drag it starts dragging a few pixels from the original position, anooying for resizing windows
[05:52] <superted_> ubuntu has got 9.3
[05:52] <superted_> and the theme's says they require firefox 0.10
[05:52] <mirak_-> superted, ubuntu used .9 , that themes requires 1.0 prl
[05:52] <superted_> whatevery they mean by that
[05:53] <superted_> ok
[05:53] <mirak_-> there you go
[05:53] <mirak_-> 1.0 is a prieview.....it isnt final
[05:53] <mirak_-> I believe the ubuntu devs found it too buggy, and dis-cluded it (hehe, is that a word?)
[05:54] <Keybuk> yeah, PR1 (0.10) was buggy as hell so we fell back to 0.9.3
[05:55] <Ng> fair enough
[05:55] <Ng> well, ignore everything I said in the last 20 mintues ;)
[05:55] <mirak_-> keybuk, if I install pr1, can/will it over write the 9.3 version? and will my app links still work...err...icons
[05:55] <mirak_-> keybuk, as apossed to installing it in /home
[05:56] <Android16> l8ter
[05:56] <Keybuk> mirak_-: only if you build a package for it?
[05:56] <mirak_-> keyuk, is that hard......i cant just DL the installer from mozilla, and sent it to the right DIR?
[05:56] <mirak_-> <----noob
[05:57] <mirak_-> but learning
[05:57] <merriam> mirak_-: yes, you can install another version of mozilla, the mozilla.org way
[05:57] <superted_> why will epi be broken in six ways from sunday?
[05:58] <Keybuk> mirak_-: no, when you do an update if there any bug fixes it'll be overwritten again
[05:58] <Keybuk> you'd have to install it elsewhere and have both the 0.9.3 from Ubuntu installed and the installation you do
[05:59] <CraHan> hi, something I discovered just the other day
[05:59] <mirak_-> keybuk, ok...fair enough, if ubuntu decides that pr1 is ready, or a new version for that matter, and puts it in the repository...will it then overwrite??
[06:00] <mirak_-> keybuk, if I apt-get it that is?
[06:00] <CraHan> in gnome, when inserting a cd it doesn't get automounted and shown on the desktop, but when I install debians gnome-volume-manager deb instead of ubuntus, it works fine
[06:00] <CraHan> is gnome-volume-manager broken in ubuntu?  Cause I doublechecked and only the debian version works here
[06:01] <pitti> CraHan: do you use an USB CD-ROM?
[06:01] <Keybuk> mirak_-: yes, but we've frozen warty.  PR1 will not reach it
[06:01] <CraHan> pitti: no the builtin cdrom
[06:01] <pitti> CraHan: so the CD-ROM is not in /etc/fstab?
[06:01] <CraHan> also, lshal shows all the devices recognized (even a usb stick) but gnome-volume-manager doesn't mount any of them
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: yes it is
[06:02] <mirak_-> keybuk, I understand that, I am just trying to understand how things work, thank you for your time
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: pmount /dev/whatever fails, I guess
[06:02] <stvn> eh? ubuntu has no support for mp3?
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: when I click on the cdrom icon in nautilus; it'll mount it
[06:02] <CraHan> it just doesn't mount it on inserting a cdrom
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: oh, even with the Ubuntu g-v-m package?
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: yes
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: ah, I know what could be wrong
[06:02] <CraHan> g-v-m from ubuntu doesn't work at all
[06:03] <CraHan> g-v-m from debian unstable at least automounts cdroms
[06:03] <CraHan> but no usb stick though
[06:03] <pitti> CraHan: can you please look in device manager (or lshal) whether media_check_enabled is true for the CD-ROM?
[06:03] <CraHan> and I have fstab-sync linked in /etc/hal/device.d
[06:03] <Despair> stvn: install libmad0
[06:03] <CraHan> ok lemme check
[06:04] <pitti> CraHan: we have a similar bug https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2265
[06:04] <CraHan> ah
[06:04] <CraHan> storage.media_check_enabled is set to 1 (0x1)
[06:05] <CraHan> of course I have the g-v-m from debian installed now
[06:05] <CraHan> would that make a difference? does g-v-m change hal related settings?
[06:05] <sjoerd> CraHan: nope
[06:06] <stvn> Despair: it is installed, rhythmbox is the one complaining
[06:06] <sjoerd> CraHan: on your debian system did you call the fstab-sync symlink, fstab-sync or fstab-sync.hal?
[06:06] <Despair> stvn: install gstreamer0.8-mad, maybe?
[06:06] <CraHan> with the .hal extension
[06:06] <sjoerd> CraHan: and did items appear in your fstab ?
[06:07] <sjoerd> when plugging in something
[06:07] <pitti> CraHan: plese use the Ubuntu version of g-v-m and check again
[06:07] <CraHan> nope
[06:07] <pitti> CraHan: we have a meeting now, can you please return to me in about an hour?
[06:07] <CraHan> at least not the usb cardreader and the flashcard
[06:07] <CraHan> yeha sure I'll be here
[06:07] <CraHan> just gimme a headsup when you're back
[06:07] <CraHan> I'll install the ubuntu g-v-m
[06:08] <CraHan> so I can trace this 
[06:08] <mirak_> what is g-v-m???
[06:08] <CraHan> gnome-volume-manager
[06:08] <sjoerd> CraHan: if your back on your debian system, check if hal-device-manager shows your device correctly..
[06:09] <CraHan> sjoerd: it's ubuntu though:)
[06:09] <CraHan> I just took the package from debian unstable and installed it on ubuntu
[06:09] <mirak_> crahan,.........thnx
[06:09] <CraHan> mirak_: np
[06:09] <sjoerd> CraHan: oh you did fstab-sync on ubuntu ?
[06:10] <CraHan> yeah I made the link on ubuntu
[06:10] <sjoerd> ok :)
[06:10] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[06:10] <CraHan> /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-sync.hal -> /usr/sbin/fstab-sync
[06:10] <stvn> Despair: ah, gstreamer-mad is universe, found it andit works
[06:10] <sjoerd> CraHan: don't :) 
[06:10] <CraHan> ah
[06:10] <CraHan> ok
[06:10] <mirak_> hey despiar,
[06:10] <CraHan> ok link removed
[06:11] <mirak_> despair, ET worked.......ok.......bit ore ram and ill be good to go
[06:11] <CraHan> only have the 40-hal-hotplug in there now and the fstab-update.hal file
[06:11] <Despair> mirak_: good
[06:12] <JStrike> Ok. Managed to get connected via pppconfig and pon 
[06:13] <JStrike> daniels : I am trying from my dvd drive, and I get the same I/O errors when trying to copy that I had with my cd-rw drive
[06:13] <mirak_> jstrike, maybe the disk is dirty
[06:14] <JStrike> I have tried multiple disks
[06:14] <mirak_> jstrike, 0o0....sorry then
[06:14] <mirak_> jstrike, did you burn them all yourself????
[06:15] <stvn> huh, the clock is running at a wrong speed, at least the difference between this computer and other's is increasing
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Yes. 
[06:15] <mirak_> jstrike, maybe try burning at a slower speed
[06:15] <mirak_> jstrike, do like a 4x or a 8x burn
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Too late. That had all the stuff from when I formatted my Suse installation 
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Suse could see it fine btw
[06:16] <mirak_> jstrike, but seeing a disk, and being able to read every bit of data are different animals
[06:17] <JStrike> mirak_ : It could read it
[06:17] <mirak_> jstrike, ooo, it installed from that disk before?
[06:18] <JStrike> It could read the the tar.bz2 file on it before (On suse )
[06:18] <s7s> How can i get 'Rythmbox 0.8.5' to play my mp3-files?
[06:19] <mirak_> jstrike, idk then, all I can think of to do is burn at a slower speed, or grab a new .iso, maybe something went bad on the DL
[06:19] <mirak_> jstrike, idk then, the slower speed burn usually works for me
[06:19] <stvn> s7s: install gstreamer-mad
[06:20] <s7s> #stvn Ok thanks :)
[06:21] <JStrike> mirak_ : It is not the ubuntu cd that wont read. I installed ubuntu fine. It that I cant read *any* cd's now 
[06:21] <mirak_> jstrike, wow....do I feel like an idiot
[06:22] <Tzalidar> weii finally i got time to install ubuntu again :)
[06:22] <JStrike> Note that this is not an up to date ubuntu installation. It took me a couple of weeks to download it, so I assume there have been many packages updated
[06:23] <JStrike> But I would like to find out if there is a specific package  that fixes this
[06:24] <mirak_> jstrike, sudo apt-get update ....then.....sudo apt-get upgrade.......see if that fixes it
[06:24] <Despair> mirak_: slow connect, he doesn't want to upgrade everything right now if he can avoid it.
[06:24] <guptan> gdm login screen re-draws and jitters while moving mouse, is this a bug with ubuntu
[06:24] <mirak_> despair, ohh.............sorry
[06:25] <mirak_> you too then jstrike,
[06:25] <JStrike> That is a tad too expensive to do right now, but I am in quite a situation, since one of the cd's has all my notes for my exam tommorrow
[06:25] <JStrike> np
[06:25] <mirak_> jstrike, I see...........hmm
[06:26] <bur[n] er> anyone know why rhythmbox would work with kde, but not gnome... with gnome it stops playing the song and starts skipping the same part over and over and over forever
[06:26] <ggi> bur[n] er: You don't have gstreamer set to use aRts output, do you?
[06:27] <JStrike> On another note, is there a way to get esd to use alsa and not oss emulation. Oss emulation is very crackly on my card for some reason
[06:27] <ggi> JStrike: I get the same thing with my card. What kind is yours?
[06:27] <C2H5OH> one question, is there any restrictions on custom kernel configuration?
[06:27] <jimi> ggi : where is located sound conf in gnome? for gstreamer for ex
[06:28] <ggi> jimi: They didn't put it in the menu, but you can access it by running 'gstreamer-properties'.
[06:28] <jimi> oh ok, thanx
[06:29] <JStrike> ggi : cs4281
[06:29] <ggi> JStrike: SiS 7012 here. Curious.
[06:32] <JStrike> hrm....anyone know how to use dd?
[06:33] <moses> JStrike: what do you want to know?
[06:34] <stvn> anyone has an idea why my computer clock is too slow in ubuntu, whereas it works in debian
[06:34] <JStrike> Maybe dd will let me retrieve my contents on my cds
[06:34] <JStrike> moses : Could dd help?
[06:34] <kagou> hi
[06:34] <moses> JStrike: you can make an iso from you cd with dd
[06:34] <Despair> stvn: power saving enabled in ubuntu, so it's getting dropped in clock. does running a cpu-intensive app make it pop back up to normal?
[06:35] <ggi> stvn: How slow is it?
[06:35] <stvn> Despair: i have a amd k6, without powersafe (iirc)
[06:35] <moses> JStrike: dd if=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 of=/path/to/file.iso
[06:36] <moses> I am not sure about the path, just try
[06:36] <stvn> ggi: i get a diff of 35 secs in about 15
[06:37] <Despair> stvn: oh, time, not cpu freq. hm. probably a kernel bug. :/
[06:37] <lucas_> hi
[06:37] <ggi> stvn: Well, if Despair's thing doesn't work, you could try disabling ntp.
[06:37] <Despair> stvn: I've seen mentions of that on lkml recently
[06:38] <lucas_> for some reason, my installation fails and I only have a basic system (I was using an old preview release CD, so it's not relevant). Is there way to install automatically all software that should have been installed by the installer ?
[06:38] <tseng> hm, do we have anything that can play mpg4?
[06:38] <moses> stvn: I had the same problem, but I do not know where the problem was, I changed my kernel config
[06:38] <JStrike> moses : Thanks. Trying that now
[06:38] <tseng> totem-xine isnt.
[06:38] <stvn> ggi, hm i doubt ntp is the problem
[06:38] <moses> stvn: play a bit with the timer options in the kernel
[06:40] <Tzalidar> gah now i'm going crazy, i have 2 soundcards and i want to set my second soundcard as default
[06:40] <ggi> stvn: It may be worth a try. I've seen similar problems blamed on ntp.
[06:40] <Tzalidar> i've been playing around with .asoundrc for a while
[06:40] <stvn> moses: hm, kernel compiling on this machine takes ages :(
[06:41] <mirak_> despair, do you think the ppl with 2 sound cards can be helped my kinda the same thing we did yesterday?????
[06:42] <Tzalidar> the funny thing is, that on my previous ubuntu install i got it working
[06:42] <Tzalidar> and it doesn't work adding the other sound card to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:42] <s7s> stvn Im a little confused. Found this page, but dunno what i need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/gstreamer-mad
[06:43] <mirak_> s7s, that gstramer-mad is in the repository
[06:43] <stvn> s7s: I added the universe to synaptic, selected gstreamer-0.8-mad and gstreamer-mad restarted rhythmbox and I got mp3s playing
[06:44] <mirak_> s7s, err...universe I mean.....search synatic for it
[06:44] <mirak_> wow typing sucks
[06:44] <mirak_> synaptic
[06:44] <s7s> ok
[06:45] <mesut> what is "daily cd images"  ??
[06:45] <maximaus> tseng: grab some codecs from the mplayer site, install them with the Totem preferences gui, or just throw them in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons directory.
[06:45] <stvn> ggi: seems like you were right, I think my clock is back to normal
[06:45] <Despair> mirak_: different solution. best fix is to set the options for the two sound devices to specify which one is the first sound card
[06:46] <Despair> so if you have an emu10k1 and an intel8x0, you should have `options snd-emu10k1 index=0` and `options snd-intel8x0 index=1` in a file in /etc/modprobe.d, to have your sblive/audigy be the first soundcard.
[06:47] <mirak_> despair, kk.....just saw a lot o ppl with the same question...and no fix, I assumed it could be done doing soemthing similar......sorry
[06:47] <Despair> (also will need to do `update-modules` and then remove & reload the sound modules)
[06:51] <mirak_> is dist-upgrade the same as synaptic smart upgrade???
[06:52] <ggi> mirak_: Yes.
[06:53] <mirak_> ggi, thnx :)
[06:55] <Tzalidar> Despair, ill try that
[06:55] <bronson> Ubuntu really is excellent.  Most things work right out of the box.
[06:56] <newbie> I've lost my ubuntu
[06:56] <bronson> I'm converting my Gentoo and Debian boxes as soon as I can.
[06:56] <stvn> it's a pity mp3 doesn't work out of the box
[06:57] <bronson> stvn: but it's real easy to get it working.
[06:57] <newbie> with message kernel panic : VFS : can not mount root fs at unknown-block (0,0)
[06:57] <newbie> I still can't get it working 
[06:57] <stvn> bronson: not really, you need to add the universe and add gstreamer-0.8-mad, wouldn't have known that
[06:57] <bronson> newbie: this is at boot time?  Are you using lilo or grub?
[06:58] <bronson> stvn: it's on the wiki.  True, you have to know to CHECK the wiki...  :)
[06:58] <Tzalidar> despair; do i need to reboot to make the changes?
[06:58] <stvn> bronson: heh
[06:58] <Tzalidar> i put the lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:58] <newbie> bronson : GRUB
[06:59] <bronson> newbie: that's good at least.
[06:59] <Despair> Tzalidar: or unload the sound drivers and reload. gnome-settings-daemon tends to hang onto sound, so it may be easier for you to just reboot.
[06:59] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[06:59] <Tzalidar> brb
[06:59] <bronson> So, what were you doing?  It seems like you somehow fried your MBR or boot partition.
[07:00] <newbie> I have SuSE and ubuntu working 
[07:01] <newbie> first, it was SuSE my default boot
[07:01] <newbie> I can choose ubuntu to boot and works perfectly
[07:01] <newbie> than, I change ubuntu as my default boot
[07:02] <newbie> Now I can only boot to SuSE, and ubuntu still lost, even after I changed back to SuSE as default boot
[07:03] <bronson> Weird.
[07:03] <newbie> I can read ubuntu partition from SuSE
[07:03] <bronson> First check to make sure that the Ubuntu vmlinuz and initrd.img are OK and correctly referenced in menu.lst.
[07:04] <bronson> Once you've ensured that that's all ok, try reinstalling the MBR.
[07:04] <bronson> If that fails, then you're in for some real digging.
[07:04] <Tzalidar> This is too sweeet!!! :) It works perfectly now!!! :)
[07:04] <newbie> title Ubuntu Linux
[07:04] <newbie>     root (hd0,1)
[07:04] <newbie>     kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386
[07:04] <newbie>     savedefault
[07:04] <newbie>     boot
[07:05] <mirak_> lol...........good
[07:05] <Tzalidar> hmm another issue that i have is that i need to use 'xrandr -r 100' everytime i login to get 100hz
[07:05] <newbie> that's my menu.lst for ubuntu
[07:05] <Tzalidar> previosly i added that line to xinitrc and to gdm rc
[07:05] <Tzalidar> but none of it helped
[07:05] <Tzalidar> and i tried using the gui to set refresh rate
[07:05] <Tzalidar> and ran it as sudo
[07:06] <Tzalidar> but that didn't do the trick either :)
[07:06] <bipolar> I'm concidering switching from Debian Unstable w/ experimental gnome packages to Ubuntu. Warty has all the latest gnome packages, right?
[07:06] <s7s> I have found this Gstreamer:http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/56360/GStreamer.html. I am new at this, so i dont now how to install. The readme is a too cryptic.
[07:07] <mirak_> s7s, did you already get the version from universe?
[07:08] <s7s> mirak_ Sorry, what is Univers
[07:08] <mirak_> s7s, open synaptic
[07:09] <s7s> From where?
[07:09] <s7s> oh
[07:09] <mirak_> s7s, kk
[07:09] <PenguinBoy> computer.....system configuration...synaptic
[07:09] <s7s> mirak_ Found it :)
[07:09] <mirak_> s7s, what are the menu choices, I am on a xp box.......cant remember off hand
[07:10] <mirak_> penguinboy, just tell s7s how to enable universe in synaptic plz......i cant recall from memory..id have to be looking at it
[07:11] <s7s> mirak_ Theres alot of options
[07:11] <s7s> :)
[07:11] <mirak_> s7s, I mean like main choices
[07:11] <mirak_> s7s, I.e file...edit
[07:11] <PenguinBoy> cklick on settingsd
[07:11] <mirak_> penquinboy, thnx
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> repositories
[07:12] <mirak_> s7s, listen to penquinboy
[07:12] <s7s> ok
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> check in front of deb-src http://archiveubuntu.com/ubuntu
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> click on OK
[07:13] <mirak_> s7s, checking them all isnt harming anything, the other are just for secutrity , I think
[07:13] <PenguinBoy> yes
[07:13] <PenguinBoy> I would check all
[07:14] <mirak_> penquinboy, thnx.....im still newb.....i tried
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> no prob my friend
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> that is what we lurk in here for
[07:14] <mirak_> lol
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> lol
[07:14] <mirak_> s7s, now grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic
[07:15] <s7s> PenguinBoy, 'repositories' - what the **** is that
[07:15] <PenguinBoy> places that files are ketp
[07:15] <PenguinBoy> kept
[07:15] <mirak_> s7s, you are tryin to play mp3's.right???
[07:15] <s7s> yes
[07:16] <mirak_> s7s,  grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic, that'd do it
[07:16] <mirak_> s7s, might as well check all updates while ou are at it
[07:17] <mirak_> s7s, use the smart upgrade
[07:19] <bronson> First power outage of the year!
[07:19] <Ng> is a synaptic "smart" upgrade a dist-upgrade?
[07:19] <sri_> has anybody had problems with accessing computers with ssh using nautilus?
[07:19] <mirak_> ng, yes
[07:19] <sri_> gnomevfs-ls sftp://somehost/ gives me an internal error
[07:20] <JStrik1> Mitario : Actually wanting to speak to to you about your package upgrade proposal. BTW, do use a different nick in #g-h? I have never seen you before
[07:20] <Ng> sri_: try running: sftp somehost
[07:20] <sri_> Ng: that works fine.
[07:20] <s7s> mirak_ Alright, i will try to mess a little with this. Thank you :)
[07:20] <Ng> see if you can actually connect. I've had key problems not show up nicely before
[07:20] <Ng> sri_: ah, well, pass then :(
[07:20] <mirak_> s7s, did it work??
[07:20] <sri_> Ng: however, I'm not using debian ssh stuff, but f-secure's ssh
[07:20] <Mitario> JStrik1, no, #g-h is also Mitario :)
[07:20] <sri_> our company has mandated that instead of openssh.
[07:20] <Mitario> just not there now
[07:20] <sri_> but it was actually working before then I did a dist-ugprade and it stopped working
[07:20] <mirak_> s7s, np, its how I learn too, thank penguinboy as well :)
[07:21] <Kamion> sri_: some of those ssh frontends rely on the exact output from ssh -v
[07:21] <JStrik1> Mitario : Ah. I see you now :-)
[07:21] <Ng> sri_: weak :(
[07:21] <Kamion> I don't know if gnome-vfs is one of those; I certainly remember seeing that behaviour from one of GNOME or KDE
[07:21] <sri_> Kamion: so something changed, because I had no problems earlier
[07:21] <Kamion> it's wrong, but hard to fix
[07:21] <teroz> hi there i have a dhcpd question
[07:21] <s7s> Il report back!
[07:21] <Kamion> sri_: ssh -v is subject to change by definition
[07:21] <sri_> Kamion: I've been doing dist-upgrades on my laptop at home and that works fine.
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: yeah.
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: so whatever it is, broke f-secure.
[07:22] <sri_> I suppose I could talk to Alex about gnome-vfs ssh method.
[07:22] <Mitario> JStrik1, well, say wat you wan to say :)
[07:22] <sri_> not sure when it broke though :/
[07:22] <Kamion> sri_: you'll need to file a bug; strace -f output may be useful
[07:22] <teroz> hi there everbody
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: ok, I can do that.
[07:22] <PenguinBoy> hey teroz
[07:23] <teroz> hi penguinBoy
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: except, I'e requested a change of my bugzilla acct password and I still haven't received word.
[07:23] <JStrik1> Mitario : Ok. I have been wanting to create a new frontend for package upgrades. Synaptic is hideous and red-carpet is too enterprise specific. Something is needed. Yours is somewhat better
[07:23] <Kamion> sri_: I suspect rather few people test with f-secure
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: apparently it never gave me a password when it created my account..
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: so I'm kinda stuck.
[07:23] <Kamion> sri_: mail justdave@canonical.com; some people's e-mail systems apparently reject mail from bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:23] <teroz> am stuck big time with dhcpd
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: oh, I've mailed him before, and he never responded.
[07:23] <Mitario> JStrik1, i'm just finishing a new draft of my proposal, i'll put it in my weblog ASAP
[07:23] <Kamion> (because b.u.c doesn't accept mail, so callouts break ...)
[07:24] <sri_> Kamion: nod
[07:24] <Kamion> sri_: ping again, he's definitely the right contact
[07:24] <Ng> teroz: ask the question :)
[07:24] <sri_> Kamion: okay will do.
[07:24] <Mitario> JStrik1, every idea is welcome of course
[07:24] <JStrik1> Mitario : But I do not see why a user would ever need to know about a system library. Whether to install it or upgrade it, he should never have to know what the hell libgnomeui is etc
[07:24] <teroz> i have my dhcpd upand running but it will not serve any requests
[07:25] <teroz> even though am sure when i run it debug mode that the client is
[07:25] <teroz> sending the correct query
[07:25] <Ng> teroz: do you see any DHCP stuff in /var/log/messages?
[07:25] <JStrik1> Mitario : Any chance you are creating it with Mono? If so, I will happily help out
[07:26] <teroz> nope very quiet at that end
[07:26] <Kamion> JStrik1: that said, it's easy to underestimate how much people want to play with their systems and know how they work.
[07:26] <JStrik1> hmm...wonder why my nick is funny
[07:27] <Ng> teroz: got a firewall running maybe?
[07:27] <JStrik1> Kamion : Sure, then they can use synaptic
[07:27] <jono> anyone know how I can create a link on my desktop that will open a window with ssh://me@myserver.org:/home/me ?
[07:27] <JStrik1> Kamion : The theory is the same as gconf 
[07:27] <teroz> not too sure how would i check that
[07:27] <JStrik1> It is there to play around with if they need to
[07:27] <Ng> jono: Computer menu -> Disks, then File->Connect to server
[07:27] <Mitario> JStrik1, i'm creating my mockups with ruby, i have not yet decided which language i'm going to use for the real stuff
[07:28] <jono> Ng, but that wont create an icon on my desktop with that location in it will it?
[07:28] <Ng> jono: it did here :)
[07:28] <jono> Ng, oh, wow :)
[07:29] <JStrik1> Mitario : They should only ever be presented with Application Names. Not sure if Linspire is similar, but it does sound like they do hide the cruft away
[07:29] <Ng> jono: they should also show up in the Network window available from the Computer menu, but that's not really important ;)
[07:30] <Mitario> JStrik1, ah
[07:30] <JStrik1> Although to make it truly good, it would require a restructuring of the apt repo's
[07:30] <teroz> :(
[07:31] <jono> :)
[07:31] <Kamion> JStrik1: I don't believe that; you can add more metadata on top without restructuring it
[07:32] <Ng> teroz: sorry, I missed your last response.... "sudo /sbin/iptables -vL" will show you your firewall
[07:32] <teroz> okay thanx - let me just check that Ng
[07:33] <Mitario> Well, I think the 'Short Description' header in a deb is sufficiant
[07:33] <JStrik1> Kamion : You think so. Ideally you want something similar to a html page so that people can see a small screenshot as well as a description of what they are going to install
[07:34] <teroz> no there doesn't seem to be any rules setup
[07:35] <Kamion> that's an interesting description of "ideally"
[07:35] <Tzalidar> is there a good automount usb tutorial
[07:35] <JStrik1> But there still needs to be a way to filter out all libraries, not sure if there is a structure in place for that. (New to debian. But apt-rpms suffered)
[07:35] <Ng> teroz: hmm.
[07:35] <JStrik1> Kamion : That is the point
[07:35] <Tzalidar> when my friend plugs in his usb, nautilus automatically opens it and he can begin using it, with automount magic and all ;) and all that in a unconfigurated ubuntu system
[07:35] <JStrik1> A user shouldn't have to be faced with that
[07:36] <Kamion> JStrik1: uh, man-db is an end-user application if anything else
[07:36] <Kamion> s/else/is/
[07:36] <Ng> teroz: ideally the next diagnostic would be to grab network traffic and see what is happening. That's a little complex for talking through on IRC though ;)
[07:36] <Kamion> regardless of how much of an anti-terminal bias you have
[07:36] <JStrik1> It doesn'y come much bigger than my anti-terminal bias
[07:36] <Kamion> I'm sure :)
[07:36] <teroz> okay will give it a try - thanx will let u know if i can't proceed
[07:37] <__daniel> could someone doublecheck if i'm the only one with a stupid epiphany?
[07:37] <teroz> thANX Ng
[07:37] <Ng> teroz: take a look at ethereal
[07:37] <Mitario> JStrik1, but why woudn't you want to list libraries as an update?
[07:37] <JStrik1> Kamion : I dont see it as an app that people would install willingly
[07:37] <__daniel> open 3 webpages in different tabs and then try to open page 3 with alt-3
[07:37] <Ng> teroz: and good luck :)
[07:37] <Kamion> JStrik1: as the man-db maintainer, I respectfully disagree.
[07:37] <Kamion> (from experience)
[07:37] <Mitario> JStrik1, I want to see the updates of all packages actually
[07:38] <tix> __daniel: that works fine for me
[07:38] <__daniel> alt-{1,2,4} works well, alt-3 doesnt
[07:38] <__daniel> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:38] <teroz> bye
[07:38] <__daniel> maybe i have a strange shortcut somewhere
[07:38] <Ng> cya teroz 
[07:38] <__daniel> thanks tix
[07:38] <Kamion> JStrik1: the point is, people's opinions on what is interesting vary wildly, and pushing all of them off to synaptic is going to limit the appeal of an upgrade notifier significantly
[07:39] <JStrik1> Mitario : Why should someone be made aware that they have libgnomeui installed? Abiword ? Yes. libgnomeui? No 
[07:39] <Mitario> JStrik1, and why not, as a developer, I would be really pleased to know that for example libgnomeui is updated
[07:39] <theantix> __daniel: actually I do get tabs number misbehaving on occasion, with the numbers being the order of creation not the order on the screen
[07:40] <Kamion> JStrik1: due respect, but it's not just end users who want easy upgrades
[07:40] <JStrik1> Kamion : Fair enough. But I am not talking specifically about an update notifier
[07:40] <__daniel> hmmmm, alt-3 isnt taken (from what i see in the keyboard config thingie)
[07:40] <Kamion> it's often developers too
[07:40] <JStrik1> Mitario : But are developers the Gnome target audience? (Well, kinda, but you know what I mean)
[07:41] <__daniel> theantix, that's strange: epiphany's tabs always worked nice for me since the first official .deb on
[07:41] <Mitario> JStrik1, ok, say, my father, is a windows user, what is the harm that he know that libgnomeui is installed?
[07:41] <Ng> Mitario: he might not 
[07:42] <Ng> err
[07:42] <Ng> there is more to that sentence ;)
[07:42] <Mitario> if he doesn't want to know, he'll just think 'oh, something my computer needs', i'll update it
[07:42] <Ng> Mitario: he might not be so happy with a list of hundreds of lib packages
[07:42] <JStrik1> It is very overwhelming. I have never gotten used to knowing what is on my computer
[07:42] <Mitario> Ng, and what does he se when he starts synaptic?
[07:42] <Mitario> see*
[07:42] <Ng> Mitario: an insanely long list ;)
[07:42] <Mitario> indeed ;)
[07:42] <Tzalidar> about my usb question; dmesg told me that i had a incorrect filesystem on the usb stick, so ill reformat it :)
[07:43] <Ng> imvho updating and installing apps are two seperate apps
[07:43] <Mitario> what if my dads download skype from skype.com
[07:43] <Ng> tasks, rather
[07:43] <Mitario> it isn't included in the distro, and on the skype page is: this program needs the qt library to run
[07:43] <Mitario> he goes to synaptic and searches for the qt library
[07:43] <Mitario> it is in the distro, but because synaptic hides all the libraries, he can't find it
[07:44] <Despair> ugh, rhythmbox isn't updating song titles on streaming music. *misses gxine*
[07:44] <gerardvschipx> phew, copied my internal hd now lets see if ubuntu will insatll
[07:44] <JStrik1> Mitario : But, maybe I misunderstood what you were aiming for. I want to do a replacement for synaptic that sane as well as have an update utility
[07:44] <gerardvschipx> or install
[07:44] <andril> hello all
[07:44] <JStrik1> Mitario : When he tries to install it, the package management app will retrieve it in the backaground
[07:44] <Mitario> JStrik1, my first goal was to create a nice update installation thingy, not a replacement for the package manager :)
[07:45] <Despair> I don't think synaptic needs replacing. Maybe a default filter that's a bit less mindnumbing than "all" ;)
[07:45] <Mitario> Despair, indeed
[07:45] <CraHan> pitti: are you back from that meeting?
[07:46] <Mitario> and it also needs a 'System upgrade' button
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: still running
[07:46] <CraHan> ah ok
[07:46] <bruce_luc> hello
[07:46] <Mitario> anyways, i'm posting my new ideas in a sec on my weblog, so you can all read what my intentions are :)
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: but I currently can't contribute much
[07:46] <bruce_luc> all
[07:46] <mirak_> s7s, Im sorry, I went to luch, did you get mp3's working???
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: any news?
[07:46] <JStrik1> I have just been hating synaptic on RH for years now. And I see debians Synaptic blows just as much. It doesn't fit in with the Gnome Philosophy 
[07:46] <CraHan> pitti: well I'm tailing syslog
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: /msg please
[07:46] <CraHan> and on insertion of the flashcardreader and the compactflashcard in one of the slots I see udev creating sda-sdd and sda1
[07:49] <Mitario> damn, I wish there was some kind of nice little wysiwyg html editor in ubuntu which can create these kind of documents :)
[07:49] <bruce_luc> hello i'm new in ubuntu and my zip drive is not very well recognize
[07:50] <bruce_luc> can someone help me a little
[07:50] <gerardvschipx> hmm, i just noticed that it does not like my airport extreme card
[07:52] <Ng> woah. utterly offtopic, but my flatmate just brought in a keyboard projector and it's the coolest toy I've seen for ages :)
[07:52] <mirak_> ng, oooo..oooo.....lets me try
[07:53] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: they're not supported by Linux at all, I'm afraid
[07:53] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: Broadcom won't release the specifications
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> darn
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> ha well :)
[07:53] <Ng> mirak_: hehe, no! ;)
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> i'm only installing it to have  play
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> I love the installer, very simple
[07:54] <mirak_> ng, cmon.......ill give you a cookie
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> right now i'm on a very old mac with yellow dog linux
[07:54] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: and it has airport extreme?
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> its amazing the life you get out of an old machine with linux
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> nope, the airport extreme is in my powerbook
[07:55] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: ah, good, I did wonder :)
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> hehehe
[07:55] <Kamion> albook presumably
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> 12 inch powerbook
[07:55] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, lucky you
[07:55] <Kamion> ah, shame, the 12" doesn't have PCMCIA, which makes it tricky to replace the airport extreme
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> wha, for a shity powerbook?
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> yup
[07:56] <jono> anyone in KDE here?
[07:56] <Kosai> You can use USB wireless, I guess.
[07:56] <khronic> KDeww
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> good idea kosai
[07:56] <Kamion> Kosai: yeah, that's the best workaround
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> are there drivers for them?
[07:56] <mirak_> gerardvschip, I olny wish I had the money for a apple product, bills are killing me
[07:56] <Kamion> prism2_usb exists in warty
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> they are dirtcheap as well
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> same here mirak
[07:56] <Kamion> shop around, check the chipsets before buying
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> selling my arcade machines to pay for the bills:(
[07:57] <Koffa> talking about wlan - atheros supported?
[07:57] <Koffa> out of the box
[07:57] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, im sorry, need to see a doctor or anything
[07:57] <s7s> mirak_, Allright - i figured it out and it is downloading the packages now, thank you :)(& Penguinboy).
[07:57] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, cuz that hasta hurt
[07:58] <Kamion> Koffa: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport says yes but only in the installed system, not in the installer
[07:58] <mirak_> s7s, np......hope it works out for you (it should)
[07:58] <Koffa> Kamion: not a problem, thanks...
[07:58] <Koffa> Kamion: just started looking at this today, been a Debian user for ages
[08:00] <mirak_> haha
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> goddamn
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> yaboot claims it cant be installed on interal drive
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> all that work for nothing
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> urg
[08:02] <liff> so, tomorrow is release-day?
[08:02] <mirak_> liff, I sure hope so
[08:05] <Mitario> Kamion, JStrik1 new draft @ FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | please test http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/testing/LiveCD/current/warty-live-i386.iso
[08:05] <Mitario> woops
[08:05] <Mitario> sorry guys
[08:05] <Mitario> new draft @ http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html
[08:06] <Kosai> Mitario: Looks good to me.
[08:08] <crash|> dose ubuntu have kernel 2.6.9 in repo et?
[08:09] <JStrik1> heh
[08:09] <muelling> Hey ho! :-)
[08:09] <lamont> crash|: that'd be after warty release.
[08:10] <crash|> lamont:hmm k when are the warty relase coming out?
[08:10] <lamont> currently in deep freeze, calender says "october"
[08:10] <inklingx> btw: 2.6.9 breaks the proprietary nvidia driver ;)
[08:10] <spiv> crash|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/newer-versions  :)
[08:11] <crash|> oki
[08:11] <Manny> hi
[08:11] <Manny> where can I get eclipse for ubuntu?
[08:12] <__daniel> theantix, you were right, it was the tab-opening order *grmbl*
[08:12] <theantix> __daniel: it isn't consistant though, unfortunately
[08:13] <theantix> I've been trying to find a way to break it consistantly so I can file a bug report
[08:13] <Kosai> Manny: Ubuntu doesn't distribute Java, since it's non-free, so also doesn't distribute Eclipse.
[08:14] <__daniel> theantix, seems to have happened in (1.3.8-0ubuntu1): correct stored tab positioning after tab_added signal.     (if i understand the changelog right)
[08:15] <theantix> __daniel: ah, good
[08:16] <Manny> Kosai: ok
[08:17] <nosilver4u> just curious, has anyone ever got iTunes to work in ubuntu?
[08:17] <thursday> good day all
[08:18] <JStrik1> nosilver4u : What?
[08:18] <LinuxJones> thursday, it's only Tuesday :)
[08:19] <JStrik1> Does ubuntu have Nvidia packages?
[08:20] <crimsun> yes.
[08:20] <JStrik1> What is the procedure to get them? 
[08:20] <JStrik1> On the nvidia site like normal?
[08:20] <crimsun> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:22] <JStrik1> Ah. Was busy looking at that in Synaptic. Wasn't all that clear if it was the official one though
[08:25] <muelling> I did the nvidia installation another way. :-) Because i also wanted to build a new kernel i just got the kernel sourcec, builkt my kernel and then installed the current driver from nvidias website. sure this is not the easiest step but it worked :-) i dont like packagemanagers... :-))
[08:25] <JStrik1> Cant find gstreamer-ffmpeg. Is it in some other repo?
[08:27] <thursday> lol
[08:28] <thursday> it's always thursday!
[08:29] <kent> What package might i be missing (its not cpp, i checked) when i get the following message when trying to run configure. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:29] <muelling> friday would be better :-)
[08:29] <tmp> anyone got swat working? i have no idea how to get it, localhost:901 gives an error
[08:30] <LinuxJones> kent, install build-essential
[08:30] <thursday> kent, try installing build-essential with apt-get install build-essential
[08:30] <thursday> oops someone beat me!
[08:31] <LinuxJones> by 2 seconds :)
[08:31] <kent> LinuxJones, thursday: Thanks alot!
[08:31] <thursday> np!
[08:32] <JStrik1> I seem to remember somebody saying that ubuntu had gstsreamer-ffmpeg available somewhere
[08:33] <nosilver4u> JStrik1: it's a little piece of software that runs the largest music store online, would require wine or similar, as there's no linux port yet
[08:33] <Despair> JStrik1: gstreamer0.8-misc
[08:34] <JStrik1> nosilver4u : I am aware what it is. You are busy dreaming that *any* distro will run it
[08:34] <Despair> (apt-cache search ffmpeg|grep treamer)
[08:34] <JStrik1> Despair : Is that the latest one that was release a couple of days ago?
[08:35] <Despair> JStrik1: no idea. I've only been using ubuntu for a couple of days.
[08:36] <mirak_> http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html
[08:36] <mirak_> im sorry.....dont know what that is....or how I did it.....was playing around with this irc client
[08:37] <JStrik1> Despair  : It is only * ffmpeg-based colorspace conversion
[08:37] <JStrik1> Not ffmpeg itself
[08:37] <JStrik1> Which allows viewing of WMV etc
[08:43] <WW_> JStrik1: I don't know anything about it, and this might not be quite what you are looking for, but there is an ffmpeg package in Marillat's repository.
[08:43] <JStrik1> WW_ : Where can I get detail about this repo?
[08:45] <maxxis> ola lagine m puede ayudar con el gdesklets
[08:45] <WW_> JStrik1: Some time ago I added a description of how to add it to the sources.list, but the wiki/ubuntu docs have morhed quite a bit since then, and I don't know where it ended up.
[08:46] <WW_> JStrik1: Add to sources.list:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:46] <maxxis> alguien m puede ayudar con el gdeklets?
[08:46] <WW_> JStrik1: Usual disclaimer: use at your own risk!
[08:47] <LinuxJones> lamont, the livecd tracker will not allow download (rejected by tracker)
[08:47] <lamont> LinuxJones: poking the admin
[08:47] <LinuxJones> lamont, ;)
[08:49] <WW_> maxxis: Maybe try #ubuntu-es ?
[08:49] <WW_> too late
[08:50] <JStrik1> WW_ : Seems to be the as what is in multiverse. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the gstreamer-plugin
[08:50] <jimi> hi there
[08:51] <jimi> what's the package needed to install stuff already?
[08:51] <jimi> install = compile
[08:51] <WW_> jimi: build-essential (I think that's what you are asking...)
[08:51] <jimi> build-essentials?
[08:51] <jimi> oh
[08:51] <jimi> ok thanks =)
[08:52] <jimi> and for this: "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no"
[08:52] <jimi> sorry fur bugging you -_-
[08:53] <Keybuk> jimi: what are you trying to compile?
[08:53] <jimi> darksnow, stuff to send audio stream to icecast
[08:53] <Keybuk> ah, ok; I'd install gnome-devel to get a gnomeish development environment
[08:54] <jimi> ok :)
[08:54] <jimi> eek 139Mb 
[08:54] <jimi> hehe
[08:56] <jimi> wow done already
[08:56] <jimi> merci freebox
[08:57] <LinuxJones> jimi, apt-get install build essential
[08:57] <adam_> build-essential
[08:57] <LinuxJones> ya sorry
[08:57] <adam_> ;-)
[08:58] <LinuxJones> thanks :)
[08:58] <dgtl> hi everyone
[08:58] <adam_> anyway to rename eth1 to wlan0?
[08:58] <dgtl> any devs around?
[08:58] <Kamion> dgtl: several ...
[08:58] <dgtl> ok
[08:59] <dgtl> i forgot what i was about to ask though :P
[09:00] <brettcar> So, how can a guy find out where Ubuntu needs volunteers and help out?
[09:00] <adam_> mailing list?
[09:00] <brettcar> Yeah I watch some of the lists (not the dev list though)
[09:00] <brettcar> But no one is saying we need people here, here and here.
[09:00] <adam_> ask the list :-P
[09:01] <brettcar> Okay, I suppose I could :P
[09:01] <LinuxJones> brettcar, >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[09:01] <dgtl> is there any way i can get to an "unstable" branch with ubuntu? (i.e on the edge, latest stuff etc)
[09:01] <Kamion> brettcar: at the moment we're torn between the need to get warty out tomorrow and the need to build up the development community
[09:01] <Kamion> dgtl: soon :-)
[09:01] <adam_> RELEASE IT :-)
[09:02] <brettcar> hehe
[09:02] <dgtl> ok
[09:02] <Kamion> brettcar: once hoary starts up we hope to have much more for external developers to do (after all, we can't manage all of universe ourselves)
[09:02] <dgtl> i want reiser4 as an option i a near future please jot that down somewhere :D
[09:02] <Riddell> dgtl: there isn't an unstable branch yet but presumably hoary will be opened soon and that will be unstable
[09:02] <dgtl> s/i/in
[09:02] <Kamion> dgtl: really depends when it gets into the kernel
[09:02] <Riddell> ah, Kamion is ahead of me
[09:02] <brettcar> Kamion: It'd be nice if there was a list of what needs work etc
[09:03] <Kamion> brettcar: ack
[09:03] <dgtl> so not before 2.7?
[09:03] <dgtl> ah crap
[09:03] <brettcar> Kamion: I'm a mediocre programmer and might actually be of some use, but I'd have to pick a particular package to learn and maintain probably.
[09:03] <WW_> brettcar: Update the Screem Help files :-)
[09:03] <Kamion> dgtl: is there even a 2.7 scheduled at the moment?
[09:03] <dgtl> i love the work you've done with ubuntu btw
[09:04] <Riddell> linux 2.7 isn't scheduled to happen at all
[09:04] <brettcar> Kamion: I could probably look through Bugzilla and see what needs work..
[09:04] <Riddell> don't know what the likelyhood of reiser4 getting into linux 2.6 is
[09:04] <HcE> Linux 2.7 is a dev-kernel
[09:04] <Kamion> brettcar: I could pimp my bug list, but that would be grossly unfair ... :)
[09:04] <brettcar> Hehe
[09:04] <dgtl> erhm? what's up with kernel.org?
[09:04] <dgtl> latest stable 2.0.1???
[09:05] <brettcar> Kamion: If they are legitimate bugs I don't see why it'd be unfair ;)
[09:05] <Kamion> HcE: does it exist? I was under the impression everything was going into 2.6 for now, and 2.7 wasn't planned in the near future
[09:05] <HcE> kernel.org is on a bad trip
[09:05] <Kamion> dgtl: looks fine from here
[09:05] <HcE> Kamion: I do think it "exist", but not for the public yet
[09:05] <dgtl> maybe a bad mirror then or something
[09:05] <Kamion> HcE: where does this information come from? :)
[09:05] <HcE> Kamion: I thought I read a article about that some time ago, I can of course be wrong
[09:06] <Kamion> kernel development's always been public
[09:06] <brettcar> It'd be nice if Ubuntu's Bugzilla wasn't slow as molasses though...
[09:06] <muelling> Just yesterday i got kernel 2.6.8.1 from kernel.org
[09:06] <Riddell> HcE: it doesn't exist
[09:06] <adam_> whats the default theme manager for Gnome?
[09:06] <muelling> Today it seems to be ok too
[09:06] <adam_> sawfish?
[09:06] <HcE> Riddell: ok
[09:06] <HcE> but some day 2.7 will exist :)
[09:06] <Mitario> adam_, the default window manager is metacity
[09:06] <dgtl> latest stable is 2.6.9
[09:06] <adam_> right thx
[09:06] <Mitario> yw :)
[09:06] <HcE> and then we'll have 2.8 or maybe 3.0 as "stable" releases
[09:07] <HcE> huh, 2.6.9 is out?
[09:07] <dgtl> yup
[09:07] <chrisa|dl> I find it odd that the Applications menu lacks a subcategory containing editors like Vim and Emacs (both of which are installed) 
[09:07] <dgtl> i agree
[09:07] <gma> chrisa|dl, I do too, but then thought of the poor people like my parents who might get all confused by them.
[09:07] <dgtl> but they're console editors generally
[09:07] <HcE> dgtl: is that why I get email about kernel 2.2.19 is released? ;)
[09:08] <dgtl> :D
[09:08] <dgtl> probably
[09:08] <dgtl> seems kindof b0rked
[09:08] <HcE> dgtl: is 2.4.28 released?
[09:08] <dgtl> any plans of moving away from the brownish theme?
[09:08] <thk> whot do you people say, dual boot or macinlinux?
[09:09] <dgtl> 2.4.28-pre4 is the latest of the 2.4 branch
[09:09] <gma> dgtl, you know you can change it yourself, for all new users?
[09:10] <dgtl> for all users? no i don't have a clue... and i'm stuck with the brown background when the gnome splash i showing too... (although i've changed that color on my account)
[09:10] <muelling> dgtl: why not just download and install any gnome theme yourself? I think that brown theme is something original to ubuntu. 
[09:10] <IRCMonkey> pantz: beep
[09:10] <pantz> IRCMonkey: beep
[09:11] <IRCMonkey> hehe chatzilla is cool
[09:11] <mirak_> beep
[09:11] <dgtl> muelling: well i want something beautiful right out the box so why not speak my mind?
[09:11] <IRCMonkey> for a firefox plugin!
[09:11] <gma> dgtl, run gconf-editor as root (or gconftool-2 from the command line) and change some settings; they'll then be used as default
[09:11] <JStrik1> tseng : How about those beagle, inotify-kernel packages?
[09:11] <dgtl> gma: ok thanks
[09:12] <gma> dgtl, try this: "gconftool-2 -R /desktop | grep theme"
[09:12] <muelling> dgtl: didnt want ot blame you sorry :-)
[09:12] <gma> (for example)
[09:12] <gma> there's probably a better way, but you can setup all sorts of stuff like that with gconf
[09:12] <dgtl> gma: ok i'll jot this down
[09:12] <ukasz> Are Debian and Ubuntu compatible in terms of packages? Or is it something like "compatibility" between rpm's?
[09:13] <gma> dgtl, man gconftool-2
[09:13] <gma> dgtl, and check the GConf page; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/
[09:13] <JStrike> ukasz : Not properly. But Debian packages should work alot of the time
[09:14] <ukasz> thanks
[09:14] <dgtl> oh i got a question... why is firefox reverted(or something) to an older version?
[09:14] <sven_> hey guys ... does anyone of you knows if ubuntu comes with the x-driver of ATI or with the free xfree driver?
[09:14] <ukasz> another question: can the missing root account I've heard about be fixed easily?
[09:15] <gma> sven_, you get both
[09:15] <gma> binary one needs installing seperately
[09:15] <dgtl> ukasz: sudo passwd root
[09:16] <ukasz> ok, thanks I get this "no root" thingie now ^^
[09:17] <sven_> gma: so, is this difficult?
[09:21] <jimi> soes anyone know in what package is the "crypt" command ?
[09:21] <gma> sven_, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <WW_> dgtl: Re: Firefox downgrade: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005732.html
[09:25] <ThreeDayMonk> anyone using a prism2 network card?  which module are you using?
[09:26] <occy> ThreeDayMonk, that a orinoco card?
[09:26] <ThreeDayMonk> that's the trouble
[09:26] <occy>  s/a/an/
[09:26] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm getting awful performance with orinoco_cs, and someone suggested that it's really a prism2
[09:26] <occy> oh
[09:26] <occy> :/
[09:27] <ThreeDayMonk> it's a DWL650 - well, it looks like one, but it's actually made by I-O DATA of Japan
[09:27] <occy> I couldn't use ubuntu on my laptop :(  quite odd. 
[09:27] <ThreeDayMonk> this isn't a laptop, but I have a PCI-Cardbus adapter
[09:27] <occy> works fine on my desktop though
[09:28] <CraHan> so who's hyped up to go live :)
[09:28] <justdave> sri_: if you didn't get my reply then you're apparently not getting mail from my ISP either.  I replied with a new password for you within 5 minutes when you mailed me on the 13th.
[09:28] <JStrike> bah. Ubuntu uses the old and busted OO.o. Thought they would be competing with NLD in this arena
[09:29] <gma> occy, same here
[09:31] <gma> JStrike, NLD?
[09:31] <pantz> JStrike: NLD?
[09:31] <pantz> lol
[09:31] <s7s> What is the best mp3-player?
[09:32] <gma> I like muine, but it needs mono
[09:32] <ukasz> mpg321
[09:32] <mirak_> s7s, mplayer is good..............i like it
[09:32] <s7s> thanks :)
[09:33] <Despair> ukasz: any real difference from madplay?
[09:33] <ukasz> dunno, I've never used madplay
[09:34] <JStrike> gma, pantz : Novell Linux Desktop
[09:34] <ukasz> but I've heard of some project called MPD
[09:34] <JStrike> s7s : muine
[09:34] <ukasz> its a demon that plays music , and can be controlled with many fonteds
[09:35] <ukasz> I need to try it someday ^^
[09:35] <justdave> sri_: I just forwarded the original note from last week with your new password in it back to you again...  if you don't have it in the next 10 or 15 minutes, ping me here, and I'll just /msg it to you on IRC
[09:36] <s7s> mirak_, I Finished downloading all of the Gstreamers, but it still can?t play my mp3?s. Rhythmbox is a crap-player, so i want something else.
[09:37] <s7s> JStrike, Ok, i?ll try that :)
[09:37] <JStrike> s7s : Ubuntu played mp3's out the box for me
[09:37] <ukasz> xmms is considered the best by many
[09:37] <JStrike> Get muine
[09:37] <dgtl> WW_: thanks
[09:37] <ukasz> and its really user friendly
[09:37] <JStrike> tseng has it in his repo iirc 
[09:39] <krischan> I have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?
[09:39] <s7s> Seems to be alot of different opinions 
[09:39] <krischan> s7s: I think with the shipped choice: XMMS
[09:40] <krischan> s/think/stick
[09:41] <mirak_> s7s, it didn't work????
[09:42] <s7s> mirak_, nope
[09:42] <mirak_> s7s, hmm...ive don't 2 installs, it worked perfect for me both  times...i don't know why it wont work for you
[09:42] <mirak_> s7s, for sure the files are mp3
[09:43] <angrylogic> s7s, I couldn't get rhythmbox to play mp3s either so I just did a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins, installed all those packages, and then it worked.
[09:43] <mirak_> s7s, maybe that's it........you dint install all of the packages
[09:43] <mirak_> didnt*
[09:43] <s7s> mirak_, Maybe...
[09:44] <s7s> angrylogic, i?ll try that :)
[09:44] <angrylogic> s7s, make sure you are using universe in your source.list too.
[09:44] <mirak_> s7s, I wish I could help more, but im newb too....plus I am stuck at work for about another hour on a windows box
[09:45] <mirak_> s7s, im not good enough yet to work from memory
[09:45] <s7s> mirak_, ok :)
[09:47] <mirak_> is synaptic exactly the same as apt-get....in other words is theree a time where I would want to  use synaptic, and not apt-get.....or use apt-get, and not synaptic?
[09:47] <angrylogic> they work from the same package list, and synaptic uses the same libraries as apt-get as far as I know.
[09:47] <ukasz> synaptic is a graphical fonted for apt
[09:47] <angrylogic> they should always be the same.
[09:47] <ukasz> debian has synaptic too
[09:47] <mirak_> what I figured
[09:47] <mirak_> thnx
[09:47] <ukasz> synaptic actually uses apt
[09:48] <angrylogic> anyone know wither or not ubuntu will set everything up for automounting usb drives or do i have to do it by hand?
[09:48] <PenguinBoy> synaptic is just the gui for apt
[09:48] <mirak_> 1 moer question.....if I decide to only use synaptic.....do I still need to apt-get update, or does synaptic auto do that on load?
[09:49] <Kamion> mirak_: synaptic's Reload button is equivalent
[09:49] <mirak_> kamion, oh yeah....forgot about that button...sorry
[09:50] <mirak_> hey!, is there a linux equivalent to adobe illustrator??
[09:50] <mirak_> gimp is for photochop
[09:51] <mirak_> or quarx express......any illustration app
[09:52] <JStrike> Isn't Illustrator a svg app?
[09:52] <Despair> several. I don't use them, so can't recommend any in particular. sodipodi
[09:52] <JStrike> If so, there a crap version called Inkscape
[09:53] <JStrike> Although it is much better than the alternatives. Sodipodi blows :-)
[09:54] <mirak_> jstrike, are either of htem even worth it?
[09:54] <theantix> what's wrong with Inkscape?  I rather like it
[09:55] <eaon> most designers i showed inkscape were rather impressed
[09:55] <JStrike> mirak_ : Inkskape is the best. 
[09:55] <eaon> has some features they've been waiting for to be in some commericial apps for years
[09:55] <JStrike> None are nearly as good as Illustrator
[09:55] <Heeter> Hi Guys,
[09:56] <nosilver4u> java?
[09:56] <eaon> thats right, yes
[09:56] <eaon> nosilver4u, tee?
[09:56] <eaon> er, tea
[09:56] <JStrike> Have never understood how people can say gimp is good with the crap interface it has
[09:56] <nosilver4u> nah, as in the browser plugin...how might i get java for firefox
[09:56] <JStrike> But I dont feel like starting that holy war right now
[09:56] <Heeter> I am new to this Linux Ubuntu. Does this Distro support RAID PCi cards?
[09:57] <eaon> gimp has power, but interface wise it's the motherfucking goddamn hell
[09:57] <WW_> Hmmm... In Synaptic, the descriptions of inkscape and sodipodi are almost identical.
[09:58] <JStrike> Inkskape is a fork of sodipodi 
[09:59] <JStrike> It was forked a year or two ago
[09:59] <JStrike> Ink is better
[09:59] <WW_> JStrike: Ah, I see.  It's also supported by ubuntu :)
[09:59] <neuro_> gah
[09:59] <JStrike> See what I mean about Synaptic blowing :-)
[09:59] <WW_> ?
[10:00] <doogie> any ubuntu maintainers alive?
[10:00] <Kamion> doogie: yes?
[10:00] <theantix> I would like to see a task-based version of Synaptic -- so you choose a task "SVG editor" and it gives you the Ubuntu preferred option (say Inkscape) and list alternatives (Sodi, etc)
[10:01] <doogie> ah, you
[10:01] <JStrike> Sorry, a discussion from earlier
[10:02] <nosilver4u> so...no java?
[10:02] <JStrike> Kamion : He would like my version :-)
[10:05] <ploum> mdz, I must ping you about #2296
[10:06] <mdz> ploum: ?
[10:06] <ploum> yep, do you need more info about #2296 ?
[10:07] <mdz> ploum: please understand, we have a large number of bugs to deal with right now
[10:07] <ploum> my friend (the bug reporter) has still no sound on his laptop and, because it's a very common config, we think that it would be cool to solve this issue
[10:07] <mdz> many of them are important for tomorrow's release
[10:07] <mdz> there is not time for individual attention for every bug
[10:07] <ploum> mdz, I understand, it's just that seb128 says me to ask you about it
[10:07] <Kamion> and many things inevitably have to be deferred
[10:07] <mdz> ploum: it works perfectly for me on all of my test machines; I have no idea why you have no /dev/dsp
[10:08] <mdz> the correct modules seem to be loaded
[10:08] <mdz> so perhaps your sound device is not supported
[10:08] <ploum> I've already see that on somes Sarge install
[10:08] <mdz> ploum: see what exactly?
[10:08] <ploum> it's because Oss AND Alsa drivers were loaded 
[10:08] <ukasz> no dev/dsp?
[10:08] <ploum> yes
[10:09] <ukasz> do you have oss compatibility modules loaded?
[10:09] <ukasz> they provide it
[10:09] <JStrike> Kamion : What would be ideal would be an app that contains/incorporates something like the ui-vision here  (http://www.autopackage.org/ui-vision.html) I think that apt could be used to power it though
[10:09] <mdz> ukasz: he does; his sound device is not recognized by the ALSA driver at all
[10:09] <ploum> And the solution was always to compile a new kernel without OSS support (but OSS emulation throught ALSA enabled)
[10:09] <mdz> ploum: you say this is a Dell laptop?
[10:09] <JStrike> Kamion : Sorry to bring that up again :-)
[10:09] <ukasz> so he needs to manualy load the driver
[10:09] <mdz> ploum: perhaps you have bug #1254, try that
[10:09] <ploum> mdz, yes (it's not mine so I don't have it here)
[10:10] <mdz> ploum: test please
[10:10] <ploum> mdz, thx, I forward it !
[10:10] <ukasz> alsaconfig sometimes didn't work for me
[10:10] <ploum> thx a lot and courage for tonight !
[10:10] <ploum> :-)
[10:11] <__daniel> ploum, maybe you had to blacklist the oss-drivers in /etc/hotplug.d or something? *guess*
[10:11] <ploum> anyway, just a question : why is OSS still in default kernel ? Why not only Alsa and OSS emulation ?
[10:11] <ploum> __daniel, already tried
[10:11] <__daniel> ploum, damn :-/
[10:12] <ploum> that was the first thing I tought
[10:12] <ploum> Thanks a lot mdz and good work..
[10:12] <chapeaurouge> ploum, do you happen to know the dell model of the laptop?
[10:12] <mdz> ploum: that is exactly what we alreaady do
[10:12] <mdz> ploum: ALSA with OSS emulation
[10:13] <mdz> the OSS drivers are already blacklisted, of course
[10:13] <cjb> Kamion: Do you happen to have a serial cable around there somewhere?
[10:13] <Kosai> my Alpha is being mean to me.
[10:13] <Kamion> Kosai: 'fraid not
[10:13] <Kosai> curses.
[10:14] <Tzalidar> vim is so cool :)
[10:16] <mirak_> 45mins till FREEDOM!!!
[10:17] <ploum> mdz, yes they are blacklisted, but why not compile the kernel without OSS support. So there's no more need for blacklist support
[10:17] <clee> daniels: bitch.
[10:17] <clee> daniels: jabber!
[10:17] <WW_> mirak_: Workin' hard?  :)
[10:17] <mdz> ploum: so that they are available if for some reason the newer drivers do not work for some hardware yet
[10:18] <ploum> mdz, ok, indeed.  
[10:19] <ploum> sorry for the noise..
[10:19] <ploum> tomorow will be a wonderful day ;-)
[10:19] <ploum> (but I can say goodbye to naked people in the artwork..)
[10:20] <mirak_> ww_, havent really done anything all day.......hehe
[10:21] <mirak_> so tomarrow for sure is the release?
[10:22] <nosilver4u> well, in case anyone cares, i got java working
[10:22] <nosilver4u> in firefox
[10:22] <mirak_> nosilver4u, go to www.purevolume.com/bedforddrive        tell me if the player on the right side displays the track names
[10:23] <mirak_> nosilver4u, I got it working too, but not 100%
[10:23] <mirak_> baham, what game you watching?
[10:23] <baHam> Juventus - Bayern Muenchen
[10:23] <baHam> :D
[10:23] <mirak_> ??
[10:23] <neuro_> lol
[10:26] <s7s> How can i make changes in the startup-procedure? 
[10:26] <TheBoss> mirak_: You're fired.
[10:27] <WW_> mirak_:  ;-)
[10:27] <xskoulax> s/the/they
[10:30] <krischan> I have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?
[10:31] <mirak_> ww_, that is funny stuff.......but seriously...i can go home now
[10:31] <mirak_> ?????
[10:31] <WW_> mirak_: Yes, you have my permission...
[10:31] <hypn0> could someone change the single pipes to double pipes in topic, pipes mean monospace, sure that wasnt the intent
[10:32] <WW_> krischan: I just tried it myself, and the position of my "cursor" in each folded didn't change.
[10:32] <Kamion> hypn0: in what IRC client?
[10:32] <WW_> s/folded/folder/
[10:32] <hypn0> chatzilla
[10:32] <Kamion> how crap of it
[10:32] <zerom> hi,ive got a problem with the root account on my ubuntu: the sudo workaround asks for a password.
[10:33] <Kamion> hypn0: that better?
[10:33] <Kamion> zerom: your own password.
[10:33] <Kosai> zerom: It's asking for your user password.
[10:33] <hypn0> ahh, so much easier on the eyes now :-), thanks
[10:33] <zerom> thx
[10:33] <Kosai> Someone needs to write a "Look, we're asking for *your* password here." wrapper script.
[10:34] <Kamion> I thought we'd changed sudo to say "Enter your password:"
[10:34] <Kamion> evidently we only changed gksudo
[10:34] <mirak_> kamion, what is gksudo???
[10:34] <mirak_> kamion, I am only aware of sudo
[10:35] <Kamion> mirak_: you only need one question mark :-)
[10:35] <Kamion> mirak_: graphical frontend, allows running an X client as root straightforwardly
[10:35] <mirak_> kamion, sorry heavy fingers....i guess, thnx for the answer
[10:36] <Kosai> MonkeyPop is the coolest thing I've seen this month.
[10:36] <mirak_> kamion, kinda like logging in as root?
[10:36] <Kamion> mirak_: much less heavyweight though
[10:37] <mirak_> kamion, thnx :)
[10:39] <JStrike> Kosai : Nat just said that an hour ago :-)
[10:39] <Kosai> JStrike: Well, it's propagating.  :)
[10:40] <JStrike> heh
[10:41] <PenguinBoy> what is MoinkeyPop?
[10:47] <JStrike> PenguinBoy : google it
[10:48] <will> hi ppl, i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.3
[10:48] <speel> is the final comming out this week or next?
[10:50] <d3niz> hi please can help me 
[10:50] <Kamion> speel: tomorrow.
[10:50] <s7s> How can i make changes in the startup-procedure?
[10:50] <d3niz> where can i get some sources 
[10:50] <speel> aw man lol gotta wait one more day
[10:50] <d3niz> sources lists //??
[10:51] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:51] <Kamion> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:52] <d3niz> Kamion thanks very much :)
[10:52] <will> anyone have any ideas on my question?
[10:55] <d3niz> will what is your question ?
[10:55] <will>  i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.3
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[10:56] <neuro_> [21:50]  <Kamion> speel: tomorrow.
[10:58] <WW_> will: nosilver4u was just talking about getting java working in firefox.
[11:00] <will> it used to work in the unstable release (1.0pr) but not now!
[11:03] <will> its very quiet in here today....is everone drinking or something!?!
[11:03] <wm_eddie> I wish....
[11:03] <will> so what are the bar charts to the immediate right of this box im typing into in X-Chat? does any one know?
[11:04] <neuro_> lag
[11:04] <neuro_> or lack thereof
[11:04] <will> so the top one, says about 10% what does that mean eh?
[11:06] <neuro_> will: i use mirc ... i suggest rtfming
[11:08] <UBMike> at boot ubuntu shows a FATAL error for hw_random module. how do I turn the attempt to load that puppy off?
[11:08] <will> neuro_: do you use ubuntu too?
[11:09] <neuro_> will: yes
[11:09] <UBMike> hmm maybe in /etc/discover.conf?
[11:09] <neuro_> building a mythtv box using ubuntu right now
[11:09] <xskoulax> will: they are a lag and throttle meters
[11:09] <xskoulax> i beleive
[11:10] <UBMike> bbl...
[11:10] <xskoulax> under settings>preferences>user
[11:10] <glar00k> hi
[11:10] <neuro_> cards galore! http://gander.zensoft.net/~neuro/DSC02477.JPG :))
[11:10] <s7s> mirak_, what did you do after you downloaded the Gstreamers?
[11:11] <s7s> mirak_, should i config something in Rhythmbox?
[11:12] <xskoulax> neuro_: thought about starting a casino ;)
[11:12] <neuro_> lol
[11:12] <PenguinBoy> i just apt-got installed freeciv.....but there was no icon installed under applications....games.  Anyone know why?????
[11:14] <__daniel> PenguinBoy, does it work when you're in a console?
[11:14] <danitus> WEPETEPE! como estamos corillo
[11:15] <PenguinBoy> _daniel.....how would I do that?
[11:15] <Kamion> will: have you anything in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/?
[11:15] <s7s> mirak_, are you there?
[11:15] <Kamion> will: (apart from libnullplugin.so)
[11:17] <will> kamion: yeah a few things, but nothing related to (oh god) sun or j2skd
[11:17] <will> j2sdk even!
[11:17] <matthew> apt-get upgrade, does not install newewst mozilla-firefox, is there not a package for it?
[11:17] <Hoodster> Hi all, Is there a page at the ubuntu website or wiki that lists the packages that come with Warty? I can't find it! (hehe)
[11:17] <Kamion> will: you'll need to put the plugin from the j2re in there
[11:18] <will> matthew: what i learnt is they reverted to 0.9.3 for stability just now...it was closing on its own randomly (well for me anyway)
[11:18] <will> kamion: thanks! any idea where i would find it?
[11:18] <matthew> hrmm thats odd, i know there are some security problems with .9.3, ok i was just wondering
[11:19] <lamont> will: whack google with blackdown java linux
[11:19] <Kamion> will: not offhand, I'm afraid; look for *.so
[11:19] <Kamion> libjavaplugin or some such
[11:20] <JStrike> What is the debian equivalent of rpm -ivh foo
[11:20] <Kamion> JStrike: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:20] <lamont> will: Their readme says: "J2SE v1.4.2-rc1 can be download from ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/ and our FTP mirrors  (see http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html)"
[11:21] <JStrike> Kamion : Thanks
[11:21] <will> www.blackdown.org
[11:21] <Kamion> no direct equivalent of the -h switch, but most people don't find it necessary
[11:22] <lamont> Kamion: what's -h?
[11:22] <JStrike> BTW, why is there no app to deal with install debs ?
[11:22] <lamont> JStrike: how do you mean?
[11:22] <stvn> JStrike: like dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:23] <JStrike> It seems you have to use the terminal to install a deb
[11:23] <lamont> pretty much only developers find a need or use for running dpkg -i directly
[11:23] <stvn> lamont: don't forget dselect ;)
[11:23] <Kamion> lamont: print hash marks
[11:23] <Kamion> progress bar, basically
[11:24] <stvn> JStrike: synaptic might be your friend
[11:24] <PenguinBoy> what is a good equivalent to midnight commander?
[11:24] <lamont> JStrike: you mean like this: Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:24] <JStrike> I dont think synaptic lets you install a single package
[11:24] <stvn> PenguinBoy: you mean with gui?
[11:24] <JStrike> It needs to come from a repo or cd
[11:24] <lamont> stvn: what's dselect? :-)
[11:24] <will> kamion: no .so files to do with j2sdk on  my pc!! ARR!
[11:24] <PenguinBoy> yes styn
[11:24] <will> think i will try blackdown
[11:25] <Kamion> will: make sure you have a j2re
[11:25] <stvn> PenguinBoy: hm, there is gmc but I must say mc works quite nice from a terminal, with mouse support etc
[11:25] <stvn> lamont: exactly ;)
[11:25] <PenguinBoy> styn i like mc but it is not on my system.....would you know hoe to apt-get it?
[11:26] <stvn> PenguinBoy: add the universe and apt-get install mc
[11:26] <PenguinBoy> it is not lisyed on the Derbian stable list
[11:26] <lamont> PenguinBoy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add universe
[11:26] <Kamion> JStrike: we could invent some kind of mime handler for individual .debs, but there's the question of what to do with dependency problems, which you *will* get eventually if you install .debs by hand
[11:26] <xskoulax> hey all, question when i run glxgears the following shows up 'Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".' is that significant at all?
[11:26] <JStrike> Kamion : Not so. Rug/red-capet deals with it just fine
[11:27] <PenguinBoy> thanks guys....got it!
[11:27] <xskoulax> fps is topping out at 248 and the card is a radeon 9500 pro
[11:27] <JStrike> Kamion : Unless you mean they are badly built
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: no, that's not what I mean at all
[11:28] <stvn> in ubuntu, if you add another user, can he still do all the sudo commands, or do I need to change some sudo setting somewhere?
[11:28] <lamont> JStrike: take your pick: install individual .debs and deal with the dependencies, or put them in a repository and let the next layer up deal with the dependencies for you.
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: if you let people install individual .debs, sooner or later they'll download one without downloading all its dependencies as well
[11:28] <lamont> stvn: until you visudo he can't
[11:28] <brettcar> xskoulax: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:28] <lamont> stvn: the installer adds the initial user to /etc/sudoers for you
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: and there exist packages which you *cannot* install in isolation; you need to install two packages simultaneously. The next layer up is responsible for taking care of this.
[11:29] <stvn> lamont: ah ok - eek vi
[11:29] <Kamion> stvn: visudo actually uses $EDITOR; the name is historical
[11:30] <stvn> sudo nano /etc/sudoers should work as well then
[11:30] <xskoulax> brettcar: thx just what i needed i guess, i looked at the hardware list and it said the 9500 pro was supporting the 3d so was suprised at the fps
[11:30] <Kamion> stvn: recommended against
[11:30] <stvn> Kamion: why?
[11:30] <Kamion> stvn: visudo also does error checking to make sure you don't lock yourself out due to a syntax error in sudoers
[11:30] <brettcar> xskoulax: After installation you should get well over 1000
[11:31] <Kamion> stvn: and locks the file against concurrent modification
[11:31] <lamont> svvn: I think visudo runs $EDITOR...
[11:31] <stvn> Kamion: ah ok
[11:31] <xskoulax> after installation i'm going to have to locate that loki quake3 :D
[11:32] <stvn> how long does ubuntu exist now?
[11:32] <Kamion> stvn: we held the kick-off meeting in April
[11:32] <Kamion> of course, it didn't have a name then :)
[11:32] <stvn> Kamion: ok, it's a shame I didn't know about it before last week :(
[11:33] <Kamion> stvn: we didn't go public until mid-September
[11:33] <stvn> I just converted the last computer of my housemates to debian, and ubuntu would have been perfect for mine/their needs :(
[11:33] <JStrike> Kamion : Are you one of the packagers?
[11:33] <Kamion> JStrike: yes
[11:33] <stvn> Kamion: ah that explains, I was away for a month starting half september, I came back and discovered ubuntu, wondering why I didn't knew it before
[11:34] <Kamion> JStrike: the example I'm thinking of is libc6/libdb1-compat, although of course you wouldn't install those two from scratch
[11:35] <JStrike> Is there any chance you could package gnome-bt (http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/) and build it against ubuntu? The debs it supplies are built against a newer version of python
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike, it's in jdub's repository
[11:36] <JStrike> Kamion : True
[11:36] <JStrike> jdub has a repo? 
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike: just a small one
[11:37] <neuro_> handy if you have anything bluetooth related i spose :)
[11:37] <__daniel> neuro_, it's cool
[11:37] <vincent> ???? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/gdm-human.jpg 
[11:38] <Kamion> JStrike: I'm fairly specialised, and not towards the desktop; I guess jdub will upload that himself eventually
[11:39] <stvn> neuro_: ?
[11:39] <joem> I installed gnome-btdownload from those debs, there was no issue
[11:39] <punkass__> what does multiverse
[11:39] <punkass__> contain?
[11:39] <neuro_> stuff
[11:39] <punkass__> lol
[11:39] <punkass__> thanks for being so clear
[11:39] <neuro_> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/
[11:39] <Kamion> punkass__: unsupported non-free packages
[11:40] <punkass__> i thought that was universe. or are thse more unsupported non-free packages
[11:40] <neuro_> which is handy as fsck, as I couldn't get mplayer to install from marillat
[11:40] <__daniel> good night
[11:40] <Kamion> punkass__: universe => unsupported but free
[11:41] <Phr0stByte> neuro_: mine works great
[11:41] <punkass__> ah ok thanks..
[11:41] <JStrike> *cough* get gstreamer--ffmpeg in multiverse
[11:41] <brettcar> Is it possible to install right from the LiveCD?
[11:42] <xskoulax> lamont ^
[11:43] <JStrike> unless I am going crazy, I dont see it in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/
[11:43] <lamont> liveCD has no install components
[11:43] <JStrike> unless it is libgnomebt0
[11:43] <xskoulax> lamont: anychance that will be added?
[11:43] <will> goodnight peeps! im off
[11:43] <lamont> in the 4MB of CD space left?  I kinda doubt that.
[11:43] <JStrike> It just seems to contains the gnome-bluetooth stuff
[11:44] <cprov> hi, guys, somebody can tel me why pylint isn't included yet on warty-universe ?
[11:44] <xskoulax> ahhhhh kinda packed i take it
[11:44] <xskoulax> fair enuf
[11:44] <brettcar> Alas, thats too bad
[11:44] <lamont> cprov: that's a source package name?
[11:45] <JStrike> joem : Where did you see gnome-btdownload there?
[11:45] <lamont> cprov: appears to be a source package, so that would mean that it was added to debian after June 28
[11:46] <wolf2945> hey, im trying to install warty-install-amd64. on base install i get linux-image-amd64-generic has an error, cant install. redownloaded the RC and burned it again, same thing. any ideas?
[11:46] <joem> JStrike, on the sf site
[11:47] <Kamion> wolf2945: worked for me with both the RC and today's daily ...
[11:47] <Kamion> wolf2945: switch to tty3 and see if there's more detail there
[11:47] <neuro_> ah to have problems with amd64
[11:47] <wolf2945> says that package is not installable
[11:47] <wolf2945> stat error
[11:47] <JStrike> joem : Oh? It doesn't work for me. Seems to need a newer version of python-gtk
[11:48] <neuro_> i'd happily put up with probs if someone chucked me some adm-64 kit :>
[11:48] <joem> 2.4 is available
[11:48] <JStrike> jdub : ping
[11:48] <joem> don't remember if it is universe or main
[11:48] <Kamion> wolf2945: can you quote exactly?
[11:48] <JStrike> It is?
[11:48] <wolf2945> sec
[11:48] <Kamion> paraphrased error messages are difficult to make out
[11:48] <cprov> lamont: yes, Aug 16th ..
[11:48] <wolf2945> on another kvm port, will take a few
[11:48] <JStrike> Let me look
[11:49] <lamont> cprov: upstream freeze was June 28.
[11:49] <lamont> hence hoary
[11:51] <Kamion> in the case of w32codecs I might suspect legality
[11:51] <Kamion> everything in multiverse still has to be distributable ...
[11:51] <cprov> lamont: ok, is there any chance to include it in universe now ? or should I use the debian package ?
[11:51] <jdub> JStrike: mmm?
[11:51] <JStrike> joem : That doesn't seem to be the problem. I have 2.4 installed 
[11:51] <wolf2945> Kamion, /var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_warty_main_binary-amd64_Packages - stat no such file or directory
[11:52] <joem> then whats its deal
[11:52] <Kamion> wolf2945: suggests problems reading the disk to me; I'm quite surprised it got that far ...
[11:52] <lamont> cprov: grab the debian sources and build against warty would be the best plan
[11:52] <wolf2945> i see the files in the iso. i guess ill try another disk
[11:52] <JStrike> not sure. Vague error message
[11:53] <Kamion> wolf2945: bizarre; sorry, honestly don't see what could be wrong, as I say it's been working for me on amd64
[11:53] <wolf2945> what board?
[11:53] <cprov> lamont: thanks, I'll do it :)
[11:53] <Kamion> that's a very odd place for a failure
[11:53] <Kamion> wolf2945: VIA of some variety
[11:54] <wolf2945> ive got a k8v se dx with 3200+ and fx5200, hopefully will go good
[11:54] <JStrike> oops...my bad
[11:55] <Kamion> I don't remember the details, just bought the cheapest amd64 box I could find :)
[11:55] <wolf2945> heh
[11:55] <Kamion> (since I needed it for work)
[11:55] <wolf2945> "work" heh
[11:56] <Kamion> wolf2945: well, Ubuntu *is* my job ...
[11:56] <ben54> hi dudes :)
[11:56] <JStrike> joem : Does it register with firefox?
[11:56] <wolf2945> a few games help kill time too i hope
[11:56] <joem> JStrike, I use epiphany
[11:56] <Kamion> wolf2945: don't have windows installed, so no
[11:57] <cristian> Kamion: what's the ubuntu way to compile a custom kernel, does make-kpkg applies as in debian?
[11:57] <wolf2945> dont need windows for games, but anyways
[11:57] <Kamion> wolf2945: true, but still no filesystem survives long enough on that box to be worth bothering installing games on
[11:57] <ben54> i have a small problem with Ubunutu and SpeedStep : the conf file seems to not be used, but if I laucnh cpufreqd in a terminal
[11:57] <ben54> it works fine
[11:57] <wolf2945> shame
[11:57] <Kamion> wolf2945: it's one of my installer crash test dummy boxes
[11:58] <Kamion> cristian: make-kpkg is usable, yes
[11:58] <jdub> JStrike: you pinged?
[11:58] <cristian> Kamion: thanks
[11:59] <Kamion> cristian: (or, at least, should be; haven't tested it myself)
[11:59] <JStrike> jdub : I was told you had created an ubuntu packaged version of gnome-btdownload, but I cant find it in your repo. Is it still around somewhere?
[11:59] <jdub> what's btdownload?
[11:59] <Kamion> bittorrent
[11:59] <jdub> i have all of edd's bluetooth packages
[12:00] <jdub> oh