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jdubno way12:00
JStrikeI saw edds stuff12:00
joemhttp://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/12:00
jdubbt == bluetooth to me12:00
JStrikeheh. So it was someone being confused :-)12:00
Kamionbluez :)12:00
joemgnome bittorrent client12:00
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edd /me . must. code. more.12:00
JStrikehey edd12:00
jdubedd!12:00
mirak_ww_, i made it home12:00
eddhey, lovers of short range radio.12:01
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JStrikejoem : can you start it on its own? It just dies on me12:01
joemJStrike, yea it works fine12:01
JStrikeWas frantically trying to get hold of you last week12:01
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dolphyhiya12:02
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dolphyquick question12:02
JStrikeAnybody know there python?12:02
JStrikeWhat does this mean?12:02
JStrike\AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'FILE_CHOOSER_ACTION_OPEN'12:02
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dolphyi plugged a DV camera to my firewire port i see /dev/raw1394 device initialized in the dmesg output but the device is not in /dev12:03
dolphyhow can i get it ?12:03
Mitarioanyone happens to run os X? :)12:03
mirak_mitario, i used to beta test it12:03
Mitariohmm, happen to have a screenshot of the software updates window?12:04
mirak_lol....sorry12:04
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khronicokay whats the trick to getting totem to actually *play* video files (.mpeg, .mov, etc) :)12:04
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mirak_mitario, what do you need help with?12:05
vincentkhronic : apt-get install totem-xine12:05
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dolphykhronic: installing gstreamer-ffmpeg12:05
Mitariothe expander thingies in my current design don't make any sense actually12:05
JStrikeAhh...all my answers lie in bugzilla12:06
khronicPackage totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:06
Mitariomirak_, have any ideas?12:06
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xskoulaxwoot ati working12:07
dolphykhronic: you can download the gst-ffmpeg tarball and build it manually12:07
vincentdo you have universe source configured ?12:07
xskoulaxubuntu 0wn3z me12:07
dolphykhronic: then you'll get support for patented files12:07
khronicuniverse source?12:08
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swimhow can I install an rpm ?12:08
khronicrun redhat12:08
khronichehe12:08
xskoulaxlol @ khronic 12:08
Kamionalien12:08
Phr0stByteor Mandrake...12:09
beezlyswim: what RPM is it?12:09
JStrikeif someone would package gstreamer-ffmpeg, a lot of people would be gratefull12:09
vincenthttps://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=totem-xine12:09
khronicor any other rpm based distro12:09
khronic:)12:09
Kamionare you sure that .rpm isn't available in some form in universe, though?12:09
swimbeezly it's baghira for kde12:09
PenguinBoylol knronic12:09
khronicthanks for the link vincent12:09
vincentno problem12:10
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rjekTwo problems with the Ubuntu installer I discovered today:12:10
rjekIt doesn't detect the Windows installation if Windows isn't installed on the first partition.12:11
rjekSecond of all (which might be related to the first) it doesn't ask if your system clock stores local time or UTC.12:11
beezlyswim: it's pretty unpleasant to alien an rpm to a deb then install it12:11
swimbeezly, can you assist?12:11
rjek(So every time you swap between Windows and Linux, the clock gets buggered.)12:11
xskoulaxrjek problem 2 is a pain12:11
xskoulaxi agree12:11
beezlyswim: try the debian packages at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1249812:11
swimbeezly ok thanks12:11
rjekThe second issue I doubt I'd have noticed half the year here :)12:12
swimbeezly oh Ive been trying that but have been getting problems12:12
beezlyswim: i don't know if it'll work, but it's better to try and install a debian package than alien an rpm12:12
beezlyswim: what kind of problems?12:12
cristianis there anything to manage init script and runlevels from command line (please, not update-rc.d)? something similar to rc-update of gentoo would be great12:12
beezlycristian: rm and ln ?12:13
cristianbeezly: ahah12:13
swimbeezly lets see: let me try again, I had problems last time I tried... yesterday... where is sources.list?12:14
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beezlyswim: /etc/apt12:14
swimthx'12:14
wolf2945Kamion, md5sum matches, burning it again, hopefully it will work this time12:15
beezlycristian: hey, I change all my runlevel stuff with rm and ln :) i don't trust this fancy "script" stuff :)12:15
cristianbeezly: if you have a lot of time to waste you can also use magnets on your hard disk ;)12:16
beezlycristian: what's wrong with update-rc.d?12:17
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wartyI am using the Warty RC3 Live CD.  How can I12:17
swimbeezly Im trying again, but would I have a problem trying to install that package using x86_64 ?12:17
wartymanually configure the network?12:17
beezlyswim: ah right12:18
cristianbeezly: it's criptic, it has a confusing syntax. I prefer rm and ln like you suggest12:18
wartyApplication -> System Tools -> Network Tools -> configure12:19
wartywants a root password...12:19
cristianbeezly: gentoo rc-update has the beautiful feature of understanding dependencies between services12:19
beezlycristian: ok12:19
beezlycristian: it's a bit OT, but if gentoo has dependancies, can it run init.d stuff in parallel?12:20
joembeezly, as long are the deps are met, yea12:20
beezlyjoem: presumably, if the deps aren't met things fail?!12:21
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joemit won't start a service until the service it depends on has started12:21
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cristianbeezly: i can't answer your question because I don't use gentoo. This tool was showed to me by a gentoo user with I had a word12:22
swim:) beezly ah right I would? or ah right something else?12:22
beezlyah right12:22
beezlyswim: I don't know tbh... I've not installed x86_64 yet12:23
cristianbeezly: IIRC the guy said to me that parallel scripts are actually planned for the future12:23
beezlythe only AMD64 box I have access to is my younger brothers, and he'll whinge if he can't play warcraft ;)12:23
beezlycristian: update-rc.d doesn't look to cryptic... what are you trying to get it to do?12:24
xskoulaxwarty: it would be looking for your user password12:24
adam_are there any sites that have addons to the panel?12:24
wartyOK.  What is that on the live CD?  It appears to be null, which doesn't work12:24
wartychanging it to something else using passwd doesn't work either12:24
xskoulaxahhh lamont ^12:24
warty?????12:25
xskoulaxwarty lamont is the livdcd maintainer i beleive12:25
Kamionrjek: I'm not aware of anything in the installer that relies on Windows being the first partition12:25
xskoulaxi was trying to get his attention to your problem12:25
wartySetting a root password resulted in something like "eth0 no such device..."12:25
Kamionrjek: the way it works is by mounting every partition it can see in turn and looking around in it ...12:26
Kamionrjek: I'd like a copy of /var/log/debian-installer/syslog, if you could12:26
Mitariohmm, is there a way to downgrade a package?12:26
cprovsomebody knows what does "/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 146: debian/rules: Permission denied" means ?12:27
Kamionrjek: your guess that the second problem is related to the first is entirely correct. If any other operating system is installed, it asks; if Windows is installed, it defaults to local time.12:27
Kamioncprov: chmod +x debian/rules12:27
Kamioncprov: looks like perhaps you unpacked a package not using dpkg-source -x12:27
wartyActually "The Interface eth0 doesn't exist."12:27
cristianbeezly: a syntax that every time force me to re-learn how to add a service _is_ cryptic, at least to me12:27
wartyI think it does...I'm currently connected using it!  :-)12:28
cprovKamion:  ohh, thanks 12:28
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cristianbeezly: i'd love if it can function with only two or three parameter instead of ten ;)12:28
khroniclol..now i have video, no sound.. :)12:28
xskoulaxwarty: i haven't a clue only12:29
swimbeezly, Im getting this along with many moreerrors: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)   12:29
swimbeezly, so no way to use this right?12:29
xskoulaxs/only/null12:29
wartyOK.  Thanks.  I'll try the e-mail users list also...12:29
beezlyswim: doesn't look like it12:29
wartyAt least the DHCP autodetection works...12:29
swimbeezly, thats why I wanted to try one of the x86_64 rpms...12:30
beezlyswim: it's really evil to do that.. you might even be better off compiling the source... or waiting til ubuntu has kde included?12:30
swimok, I was just trying to see which was pretier gnome with milk 2.0 or kde with milk baghira :)12:31
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swimespecially gnome 2.8 and kde 3.312:32
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mirak_eww....ubuntu is gonna include kde12:40
mirak_i hope it is optional to install12:40
Kamionmirak_: ?12:40
mirak_kamion, yes12:40
beezlymirak_: I'm sure no-one will hold a gun to your head12:40
Kamionno, Ubuntu won't, there may be a derivative of Ubuntu which includes KDE12:40
Kamionwon't> except in universe, that is12:40
mirak_kamion, kde version.....gnome version12:40
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mirak_oh.....gotcha12:40
vrlnthere are too many kde distros around anyway :)12:40
beezlyand kde is pants12:40
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beezly:)12:40
xskoulaxok anyone anygood at fixing X problems?12:40
mirak_kde is gross12:40
beezlyxskoulax: shoot12:40
mirak_beezly, lol12:41
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xskoulaxok i've installed the fglrx drivers for my radeon 9500 pro, they work fine12:41
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xskoulaxproblem is its displaying to wrong screen12:41
mirak_hmmm....12:41
wolf2945Kamion i guess it didnt like my laptops cdrw, used another box to burn it, went past that part12:41
wolf2945on the reboot stage now12:41
xskoulaxbut when i remove the 2nd display it will not display to the primary either12:42
defendguinis ubuntu going to get that update utility featured on planet gnome?12:42
xskoulaxit does appear that it is attempting to display almost like its going through resoultuons or sumpthing but seems to just sit there in a loop12:42
jdubperhaps, or something like it12:42
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defendguinkewl12:43
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beezlyhmmm12:43
beezlydefendguin: oooh, that is pretty12:44
defendguinyeah would be much nicer for people who dont know synaptic12:44
beezlyyeah12:45
defendguinalso dont know they are supposed to hit the "refresh button"12:45
beezlywould be nice for me if it just went away an apt-get update'd occasionally... and then notified me when updates were available12:45
beezlythen I wouldn't waste half my day doing it apt-get by hand ;)12:45
beezlythe other half of my day is wasted hitting "Send / Receive" in evo :)12:46
xskoulaxbeezly: 3rd half wasted on irc?12:47
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beezlyxskoulax: yip ;)12:47
ashley_hello mates12:48
TheMusoI like the new GDM login screen.12:48
ashley_how do i install gtk#?12:48
stereo_i like the old one12:48
ashley_I cannot find it in universE?12:48
KamionTheMuso: "new"? :)12:48
marioashley_, install package gnome-cil12:49
ashley_ty12:49
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ashley_libgnome-cil is all I see man12:51
ashley_this is still good?12:51
xskoulaxbeezly: any ideas on the x issue?12:51
beezlyxskoulax: i've never used those drivers...12:52
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xskoulaxahhh12:52
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beezlyxskoulax: i understand how it works on the nvidia drivers, but not ati12:52
ashley_mario: ???12:52
xskoulaxbeezly: thats koo12:52
ashley_mario, is that still cool?12:53
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marioashley_, i not like mono packages from sarge, i waiting for 1.0.2 packages12:54
defendguinis there anything new/shcoking in the new ubuntu-artwork package?12:54
defendguinshocking12:54
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spivdefendguin: Nothing shocking.12:55
ashley_mario, I hope they have it in the standard install, especially with the desktop being Gnome and all...12:55
marioashley_, http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu%204.10 this page describe how add a contrib repository with mono 1.012:55
stodgeWhich package is glade-- in? I just can't find it for use with the glade interface designer. THanks12:55
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ashley_mario, that is to say supported, not in the universe12:55
spivIt's back to the style of the preview artwork, from what I can see.12:55
Kamionstodge: 'apt-cache search glademm'12:55
jdubashley_: mono is in universe12:55
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ashley_mario, i just finished that, but I wasn't sure if gtk# had been installed12:56
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stodgelibglademm2.0-1c102 - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (shared library)12:56
stodgelibglademm2.0-dev - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (development files)12:56
stodgelibglademm-2.4-1 - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (shared library)12:56
stodgelibglademm-2.4-dev - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (development files)12:56
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JStrikenice move on getting the contact lookup applet in before NLD btw. 12:56
gmawhat's the sounder-test iso about?12:56
speelshould i install ubuntu or should i wait for the final??12:56
JStrikeBut why cant I send an IM from the address card?12:56
ashley_mario, jdub, sorry all , im a bit of a uneducated sap when it comes to Linux etc, just friggin around thats all12:56
gmaspeel, install it12:56
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speelgma: good choise :P12:57
jdubspeel: final is coming very soon12:57
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speelyea but what changes will be made?12:57
mirak_jstrike, install now...you can upgrade to the final without re-installing12:57
jdubfrom yesterday's cd, quite a bit12:58
mariojdub, yes, but is a version < 1.0 (mono)12:58
JStrikemirak_ : wrong person :-)12:58
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AnnaHello again. I have this ISO image I downloaded which I want to burn on CD, but 702.8KB and Nautilus is barking at me that it is too big, but apparently I'm the only one with a burning problem. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?12:58
ashley_do figure gconf-sharp is installed when I apt mono?12:59
jdubno12:59
JStrikeashley_ : shouldn't be12:59
jdubmario: universe has 1.x and above versions12:59
KosaiAnna: Is it warning you it's too big, or telling you you can't burn it?12:59
ashley_jdub, where do I get gconf-sharp?12:59
gmaAnna, you could try running "md5sum <path/to/iso>" and comparing it to the file on the server to see if you've got the right file.01:00
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AnnaKosai: It's telling it can't burn because it's too big01:00
JStrikeashley_ : What do you need it for01:00
jdubashley_: apt-cache search gconf cil01:00
AnnaGMA: The Md5 is ok, I checked it01:00
ashley_http://zapdos.codemonkey.cl/glyrics/requirements.html laugh if you will.01:00
KamionAnna: which image?01:01
JStrikeIS that a new mono app. I thought I new about all of them01:01
AnnaThe Kanotix live CD01:01
Kamiongma: sounder-test is what we called the milestone release CDs during the warty development cycle01:01
KamionAnna: well, 702MB is too big for most CD media (although perhaps not all).01:02
gmaKamion, thanks. are they available via a normal download (I can't get torrents)01:02
Kamionsorry, s/most/many/01:02
ashley_JStrike, yes it is, I saw it on OSnews website today01:02
Kamiongma: yes, but you shouldn't be using them any more01:02
Kamiongma: the Warty release candidate supersedes them all01:02
JStrikeI wonder whose handywork that is01:02
gmaKamion, ah, I already have that. cheers.01:02
ashley_JStrike, here's the article http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/10/18/mono.html01:03
AnnaKamion:But I seem to be the only one with the problem, apart from the fact that the people I talked to burnt from the command prompt which is outside my abiltiy01:03
gmaAnna, are you running linux?01:03
AnnaYes, Ubuntu..01:03
wolf2945do you have 700mb cds? not the older 650mb which wont work01:03
ashley_jdub, ty for the info, it seems its part of libgconf-cil01:04
Annayes, brandnew...01:04
JStrikeashley_ : Have you included this repo in your sources http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs  and then refreshened and then run a search like jdub said?01:04
marioLast weekend i install many ubuntus in a installfest, but all user requires access to their win32 partitions.  Is possible add this in easy way?? because edit fstab by hand, is very hard for a user.  If Ubuntu Installation did this of automatic form, he would be genial.  01:04
gmaopen a terminal, and try this "cdrecord -v /path/to/iso". may fail, but report back with the error message if it does...01:04
jdubJStrike: they're in universe01:04
Annaok01:04
KamionAnna: many new CD media is still 650MB01:04
jdubmario: can't for warty, but will for hoary :)01:04
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JStrikejdub : nice01:04
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ashley_JStrike, I did that when I used the FAQ, im just a bit confused, because the file names been changed01:05
JStrikePedro Villavicencio. I wonder who that is. Doesn't ring a bell01:05
dannyboyis there a set of .debs for maconlinux for ubuntu?01:05
mariojdub, 6 months more! :)01:05
AnnaKamion:the label here says 700, but hold on, I'll try the command...01:05
jdubonly six :)01:05
JStrikeyeah, the ubuntu packager has used different names to what Novell and RH use01:05
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dgtlhi everyone01:06
JStrikeashley_ : Run  'apt-get install libgconf-cil01:06
ashley_Ill get used to it, it ll just be a while01:06
dgtlhow do i get totem to play .mpg, .mp3 etc? nothing works right now01:07
ashley_its already installed01:07
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JStrikeashley_ : And it is complaining that it cont find the gconf-sharp assembly?01:07
ashley_now I got to google to see how to install a mono app01:08
ashley_peace brothers !01:08
ale_dgtl: for mp3, do apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad (from universe)01:08
JStrikeBet he pops into #mono in 10min01:08
marioJStrike, Pedro Villavicencio is my GNOME Chile friend.01:08
JStrikemario : What is his nick?01:09
mariowes01:09
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AnnaAm I suppose to include the filename somewhere or just the path to the folder where the rawISO is stored?01:09
gmaAnna, filename too.01:09
JStrikeNope. He isn't one of the mono regulars. He must just love the environment :-()01:10
JStrikeoops01:10
AnnaAh, I see. 01:10
JStrike:-)01:10
gmae.g. cdrecord -v ~/download/ubuntu-blah.iso01:10
JStrikeok. Back to my contact lookup applet question01:10
JStrikewhy cant I send an IM from the address card?01:10
gmais the contact lookup applet in ubuntu?01:11
marioJStrike, why your ask for wes?01:11
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JStrikemario : I was wondering who wrote the glyrics app01:13
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JStrikeLinuxJones : yep. That is what I had for a week :-)01:13
JStrikeenjoy01:13
AnnaOk, there was an error, it's long, so it will shift the text upward, sorry01:13
gmahang on01:14
gmadid it basically say that it couldn't find the device?01:14
Anna ~ $ cdrecord -v ~ /home/lulu/stuff/KANOTIX-BUG-HUNTER-09-2004-A.iso01:14
Annacdrecord: No write mode specified.01:14
Annacdrecord: Asuming -tao mode.01:14
Annacdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent default s.01:14
Annacdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds...01:14
AnnaNOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord01:14
Anna      and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.01:14
Anna      Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian. org>.01:14
marioJStrike, ap :) yes01:14
Anna      The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.01:14
AnnaTOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM01:14
Annacdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler01:14
Annacdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().01:14
Annacdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.01:14
Annascsidev: '1,5,0'01:14
Annascsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 001:14
Annacdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI dr iver.01:14
Annacdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.01:14
Annacdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.01:14
Annacdrecord:01:14
Annacdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc01:14
Annacdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup .01:14
Annalulu@lulu ~ $01:14
LinuxJonesJStrike, I am not going to spend 3 days downloading anything :)01:14
gmaAnna, do you have an IDE cdrom drive?01:15
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Annagma, at the risk of you pulling out the darts to throw at the newbie poster on your door: I don't know, but it's a brand new computer01:16
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gmaokay. try the command again, with this slight modifcation; "cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom /path/to/ubuntu.iso"01:17
scotthhey, just installed ubuntu, just wanted to say sweet job and how do I help?01:17
gma(I'm guessing you only have one cdrom drive)01:17
Annak01:17
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AnnaOh, btw, should I use root terminal or will a normal one do?01:17
WW_Is there a FAQ/Howto somewhere for getting flash to work in Firefox?01:17
gmaAnna, normal ought to do, but I've never tried it on ubuntu myself.01:18
Annak01:18
neuro_doo de doo de dooo01:18
DethreadWW_, don't you just have to install the flash plugin?01:18
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WW_Dethread: I don't know. Maybe..01:18
DethreadWW_, http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Flash01:19
cardadoris anyone using 1600x1200 with normal sized firefox fonts? they are too small, cant make em bigger (ive tried changing it inside firefox)01:19
WW_Is there an ubuntu package for it?01:20
DethreadWW_, I doubt it01:20
DethreadWW_, actually....there is01:20
DethreadWW_, flashplugin_nonfree01:21
WW_I search for flash with apt-cache search, but many packages showed up.01:21
WW_That was one of them...01:21
LinuxJonesWW_, I just clicked on the flash movie and it asked me if I wanted to download the plugin...it was automatic but I think Ubuntu rolled back to an older version recently.01:21
DethreadDescription: "Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer"01:21
ale_WW_, flashplayer-mozilla01:21
WW_LinuxJones: I have a web page up now that wants a plugin for type application/x-shockwave-flash, but it doesn't ask to install a plugin when.  I'll take a look at flashplayer-mozilla.01:23
AnnaOMG, it's working!01:24
gmasweet01:25
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AnnaIt's finished, big kiss!01:25
Annajuicy wet one01:26
gmano probs.01:26
gmasteady on!01:26
AnnaCU01:27
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jazzkaI've got a .deb file, how can I install it?01:27
brettcarjazzka: dpkg -i whatever.deb01:28
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jazzkaok01:28
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jazzkabrettcar, but that doesnt resolve dependencies of the file :(01:29
WW_ale_ (and others): Thanks, flashplayer-mozilla worked.  (Here's why I needed it: http://www.zija.net/)01:29
ashley_JStrike, how do you compile a mono app?01:29
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obso i've got this dell latitude c600, and after i instal ubuntu i get this crazy split-screen effect and some fuzzy lines down the middle.01:30
obanyone know how to fix that?01:30
obnever tried installing linux on a laptop before.01:30
leormejazzka, do "apt-get -f install" after the dpkg command.01:30
obseems like a video problem, obviously.  ati mobility chipset.01:30
JStrikeashley_ : mcs01:30
gmaob, I've got an inspiron 5000 which has similar (but not quite the same) problems.01:31
gmaI basically get a black screen.01:31
JStrikeBut it is more complicated than that. Look through the monkeyguide01:31
gmahave you tried the ati binary drivers yet?01:31
mirak_is there any chance i acan get a quicktime plug-in for firefox?01:31
obno network access for the laptop. :((01:31
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obtrying to install the almighty ubuntu for a friend at work.01:31
JStrikeashley_ : Most apps come with make though01:31
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leormemirak_, install mozilla-mplayer01:32
ashley_what do you mena JStrike,?01:32
ashley_"mean"01:32
JStrikeashley_ : Are you familiar with Linux?01:32
ashley_enough yes01:32
ashley_I khow how to ./configure make make install 01:33
JStrikeso ./autogen.sh or ./configure does nothing01:33
ashley_not with mono however...01:33
JStrike?01:33
ashley_my prompt gives me a no such file for auogen.sh01:33
JStrikecompiling a mono app without autocrap is tricky01:34
gmaJStrike, there's a great example in Edd and Niel's book.01:34
gmaI basically robbed it and put it in Spam Trainer01:34
JStrikeYou need to know what the assemblies it uses01:34
JStrikeGma : no doubt01:34
ashley_checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool and thats for ./configure01:34
gmaI've not been following the conversation, but would an example help?01:34
obwhere's XFConfig at?01:34
obnm01:34
mirak_leorme, it isnt app-get-able.....01:35
obwait no i still forgot01:35
gma/etc/X1101:35
mirak_leorme, and i am nwe.....can you help me out?01:35
speelHey i have a problem i just installed ubuntu and it dident auto mount my ntfs drive ;( what do i do?01:35
JStrikeashley_ :Is there a .prj file? 01:35
leormemirak_, it's in multiverse repository of ubuntu.01:35
JStrikeGma : Without knowing what assemblies it uses, that wont really help01:36
leormemirak_, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse01:36
mirak_leorme, i searched for "mozilla-mplayer" in synaptic.....it shows nothing01:36
mirak_leorme, i activated that in synaptic01:36
leormemirak_, all in one line at /etc/apt/sources.list01:36
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leormemirak_, then you have to do apt-get update, of course.01:37
mirak_leorme, oh...multiverse01:37
ashley_the app that I want to install has a glade extention if that helps01:37
JStrikehrm..not really01:37
LinuxJonesmirak_, flashplugin-nonfree ??01:37
ashley_did you read my ./configure error?01:37
JStrikeashley_ : List the contents of the package in a private message01:38
speelHey i have a problem i just installed ubuntu and it dident auto mount my ntfs drive ;( what do i do?01:38
jazzkawhen I was using gentoo, I could mount a cd-rom with mount /mnt/cdrom01:38
jazzkawith ubuntu there's no way01:38
jazzkaubuntu can't recognise the cd01:38
jazzka:((01:38
mirak_linuxjones, no...quicktime01:38
defendguinwhere is the mozilla-mplayer package?01:39
LinuxJonesmirak_, oh sorry you need the win32 codecs 01:39
xskoulaxanyone have a working 9500 pro with the fglrx drivers?01:39
leormejazzka, you have only to write a correct /etc/fstab for that.01:39
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leormedefendguin, multiverse repository.01:41
jazzkaleorme, I dont underestand, my /etc/fstab seems to be ok01:41
jazzka/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       001:41
defendguinleorme, i never heard of that one01:41
TheMusojazzka: Instead of using /mnt, /media is used for removable devices. Debian does it this way as well.01:42
TheMusoSo all you have to do is typ mount /media/cdrom001:43
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jazzkaTheMuso, I can mount cds but this one I cant!01:43
WW_defendguin: See 23 and 24: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions01:43
jazzkamount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,01:43
jazzka       or too many mounted file systems01:43
jazzkawell, is a cdrom burned in Windows, but with Gentoo I can read it, so...01:44
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speelwhat line should i add to fstab if i wanna mount my ntfs drive hdb101:47
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LinuxJonesspeel, >> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php01:49
mario"Applications" menu icon is the Gnome foot, maybe the Ubuntu Logo look nice :D01:49
eaonare ms fonts (*ducks*) available as package somewhere?01:49
TheMusojazzka: What filesystem is on the CD?01:50
TheMusoYou could try mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 -t iso966001:50
speelthanks01:50
jazzkaTheMuso, I don't know, I suppose iso966001:50
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jazzkaTheMuso, same error :(01:51
LinuxJoneseaon, in universe apt-get install msttcorefonts01:51
eaoncool thanks01:51
TheMusojazzka: Ok try this. mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom001:52
TheMusoah sorry, I suggested that all ready.01:52
TheMusoI think...01:52
jazzkamount: /dev/hdc: can't read superblock01:53
jazzka??01:53
TheMusoOk. Type this and tell me what you get. isoinfo -d /dev/hdc01:53
TheMusoThere should be something there about the filesystem.01:54
jazzkaok, but is: isoinfo -d -i /dev/hdc  ;)01:55
jazzkait says: CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format01:55
TheMusoWhat software did you burn it with?01:55
jazzkaI dont remember01:55
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jazzkait's an old cd01:55
jazzkabut I remember that with gentoo (one month ago) I could mount it01:56
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TheMusoDo you have any other CD drives in that machine you could try it in?01:56
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jazzkano 01:58
speelbah need help once again i mounted hdb in fstab and when i click on it it says mount:/dev/hdb already mounted or /media/hdb busy any ideas??01:58
TheMusoWhat sort of drive is it? Removable media?01:58
speelextra hard drive 01:58
TheMusojazzka: Do you have any Windows installation you could try it on?01:58
TheMusoHave you checked what you currently have mounted?01:59
jazzkaTheMuso, yes, I have an XP installation01:59
speelyea01:59
TheMusoDoes it work in XP01:59
TheMusoSo does it appear to be mounted?01:59
speeli dont have xp installed but this is a ntfs drive with just files on it02:00
TheMusospeel: SOrry I meant jazzka.02:00
SmokingFireWould linux people vomit if there was a graphical way to edit fstab?02:01
jazzkaTheMuso, yeah with XP there's no problem02:01
jazzkais a cd-rw dvd-reader device02:01
TheMusoNot if everything was layed out clearly, and explained. I think the one thing people struggle with most, is the concept of there being no drive letters.02:01
TheMusojazzka: What filesystem does Windows say the CD has?02:02
jazzkammm don't know, I have to reboot :(02:02
TheMusospeel: So there is just the one partition on the HD? And it is already mounted?02:02
jazzkawich other file systems could be?02:02
TheMusojazzka: I don't know. But if Windows recognises it, there is something fishy going on.02:03
TheMusojazzka: Do you have the isofs module in your kernel, and is it loaded?02:03
jazzkammm how could I know that?02:04
speelah nvm i got it lol i thaught it was hdb but its hdb102:04
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TheMusojazzka: Type lsmod | grep isofs and see what you get.02:04
TheMusospeel: Good to hear you got it worked out. Hard drives can be a pain sometimes.02:05
TheMusospeel: You do know that NTFS is read-only, as write support is dangerous?02:05
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jazzkaTheMuso, isofs                  33976  002:05
looksausspeel, only (non-free) option is Captive NTFS02:05
TheMusojazzka: So it is loaded. Hmmmm02:05
looksausfree as in beer, though 02:06
speelyea unfurtintly =/02:06
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SmokingFireTheMuso: the weird thing is that BeOS supported NTFS and actually was faster with it. As I once cpoied a 130 MB file from Beos from on NTFS to another NFS partition and did the same on on Windows. Posted it on a Windows Kernel dev blog, but he erased it. 02:06
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speelheh i cant belive how everything works02:07
speelits a bit strange lol02:07
TheMusojazzka: One thing you could try and do if you had the disk space, is to rip the data off the CD onto your computer as an iso, and try mounting that.02:07
TheMusoHave you tried ejecting and re-inserting the CD tray?02:08
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SmokingFireI was just wondering, as actually editing fstab editing is not really a complicated task a GUI on top of it should be nice and save beginners a lot of time,02:08
TheMusoSmokingFire: I think it is something that is needed. The user has to be explained what mount points are though.02:08
speelbah anyway to get the new version of firefox?02:08
looksausanyone knows about out-of-the-box ways of using Ubuntu as a terminal server  la LTSP or PXES?02:08
jazzkaTheMuso, I dont have the cd content, I've tried 3 times to eject-insert the cd02:08
speelsynaptic only had 9.3 i think it is02:08
speelhas*02:09
TheMusojazzka: But you can rip the raw filesystem and the data off the CD without actually mounting it.02:09
jazzkammmm02:09
looksausI mean, any work beind done/planned/... on integrating LTSP/PXES/other solutions?02:09
TheMusolooksaus: Not that I am aware of. I have never worked with terminal server stuff at all.02:10
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SmokingFireTheMuso: Just lets say open the GUI based fstab editor. ask for sudo password. Then display all the partitions (like partitions magic, qtparted, gparted) and have options to mount (maybe another word for it should be used). When using the command mount you will get a dialog with an advanced option, in which you can specify the details.02:10
TheMusojazzka: I know this doesn't help getting the data in the short-term, but perhaps mounting the ISO as a loop device may bring more luck.02:11
jazzkaTheMuso, ok, so: mount ...?02:11
TheMusoSmokingFire: It probably wouldn't be much work to do in python.02:11
SmokingFireTheMuso: I thought the same. But very useful for noobs02:12
TheMusoNo, you don't mount it. To rip the data off the cd, you first need to make sure that the drive is not mounted anywhere at all, which it seems it isn't.02:12
TheMusoSmokingFire: True.02:12
TheMusoSmokingFire: I am only learning python at the moment, so don't think I would be up to it. I would also have to learn PyGTK as well. Fun. :)02:12
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TheMusojazzka: Then you type dd if=/dev/hdc of=/path/to/where/you/want/the/file.iso02:13
SmokingFireTheMuso: And learn glade possibly02:13
TheMusoSmokingFire: I forgot about glade.02:13
jazzkaTheMuso, I have to go now, thanks anyway02:15
TheMusojazzka: Sorry I couldn't help you.02:15
TheMusoDamn.02:15
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robertj_A Disk Copy utility would be great02:16
robertj_Most users need a disk copy utility and can't manage it any other way02:16
robertj_I support a hundred OS X users and only two or three are capable of using disk image to create and then burn a cd image02:17
TheMusorobertj_: Do you mean for floppies, or for CDs as well?02:17
robertj_btw, nautilus browsed to cdrom0 due to a dist-upgrade...odd02:17
robertj_TheMuso: any non-system disk02:18
TheMusoRight. Well I know there are several CD burning utilities under development for GNOME, but am unaware of any floppy copiers, although for floppies, it would be quite easy to write one.02:18
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robertj_Well the principle is that it should more associated with the word Copy than CD02:19
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TheMusorobertj_: True.02:20
speelthey should add gdesklets02:20
TheMusohey Zindar 02:20
robertj_Left Column has Devices. Right Column has Devices02:20
robertj_Highlight one of both and click the copy button02:20
TheMusospeel: It is in universe.02:20
robertj_When does Warty freeze?02:22
TheMusorobertj_: Warty is frozen, and in fact is being released sometime today or tomorrow I think.02:22
TheMusoThe final version that is.02:22
Kamiontoday or tomorrow depending on what timezone you're in :)02:23
Zindarhhey muso...02:23
TheMusoThanks Kamion for clarrifying.02:23
Zindarwhat's up?02:23
TheMusoYou know, just helping out the odd newbie here and there. :)02:23
asubediisn't it Oct 20 already in Australia?02:24
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asubedii do not see the gold yet :/02:24
TheMusoYes.02:24
speeluniverse?02:24
TheMusoIt is Oct 20 here, 10:24 AM EST02:24
Zindarand I am SOOOO tired02:24
TheMusospeel: The universe repository.02:24
robertj_When did it freeze?02:24
Kosairobertj_: There is a schedule on the wiki.02:24
Zindarit's hard working both swedish and australian hours02:24
Zindar:)02:24
speelwheres that02:25
TheMusoZindar: I don't know how you guys do it. I can't stay up much later than 1 AM, and even then thats hard for me.02:25
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TheMusospeel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org02:25
ZindarTheMuso: you can do it for a few weeks.. then it's too much02:25
ZindarTheMuso: I left at 1am.. couldn't sleep until 3.3002:26
TheMusoTalk about shooting your body clock to bits. :)02:26
TheMusoIf I had to, I probably could. But one does need sleep sometimes.02:27
TheMusoWell, actually most of the time. :)02:27
Zindar:)02:27
Zindarhehe02:27
Zindaragreed02:27
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cardadornew artwork is fine02:28
TheMusoYeah. I like the new GDM screen. :)02:29
cardadorno more discussion on this issue i guess02:29
TheMusoWell, what I can see of it anyways :)02:29
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speelany way i can add these mirrors to synaptic?02:30
TheMusoYes. You need to go to the settings menu I think it is, and there is an option there somewhere. :) Can't remember, I don't use synaptic personally. :)02:30
cardadorspeel: settings, repositories02:31
mirak_speel, well there you go, was gonna help, but he beet me to it02:31
cardadorthen check 3rd line i think, the one that has universe02:31
speelah sweet02:31
cardadoris it possible to get decent sized fonts on firefox on high resolution, like 1600x1200?02:32
cardadormine are too small and cant change them02:33
xskoulaxanyone have the radeon 9500 pro working with a dell "e151fp" 15" flatpanel?02:33
xskoulaxeverytime i try to get x going it sits there at a blank screen02:34
Kosaixskoulax: *shrug* No, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.  What does the server log say?02:34
xskoulaxKosai: where might i find that02:34
xskoulaxn00b here ;)02:34
mirak_anyone use xfce402:35
Kosaixskoulax: /var/log/XFree86.0.log.02:35
mirak_i need a bit O' help02:35
speelah damn i need help once again .. i wanna add http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ to the repositorys and it did not work ;/02:35
Mitarioomg i love ruby, just did the first code for that update center mockup in 1 hour02:36
speeli think im adding it wrong 02:36
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mirak_mitario, so how is it coming?02:37
TheMusoOk, what are you doing exactly?02:37
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Mitariomirak_, very good :) not lots of eye candy though, i'm just making the backend work a bit for some demoing02:38
ZindarMitario: ruby rocks... I wrote a wiki in it a few years ago... it's still used for daily operations where I work.... it didn't take long to write it02:38
uttamsg nickserv identify nat21102:38
mirak_mitario, of course02:38
Mitarioutta, i suggest you grab a new password :)02:38
georgiautta: if i was you i'd change your password very quick02:38
speelok i open up synaptic i go to settings then repos then i click add and for the uri i put http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ and for the destributuion i put warty then i put warty for the section02:39
mirak_nat211 is tha pass?02:39
mirak_haha02:39
Mitariomirak_, but anyways, list is now beeing fetched, and updates with old version, new version and description is now shown :)02:39
mirak_mitario, is the description always show, or is it hidable?02:39
TheMusospeel: Sorry I am not sure exactly how to do it in synaptec. Maybe someone else knows?02:39
cardadorspeel: not warty on section02:40
mirak_mitario, nvm, irelivant.........its just a start02:40
Mitariomirak_, hidable, but this is just a code mockup/start :)02:40
mirak_anyone use xfce4?02:40
cardadorspeel: write main restricted universe02:40
mirak_mitario, :)02:41
wolf2945anyone know an easy to way to list all packages installed?02:41
Kamionwolf2945: dpkg -l02:41
speelah thanks man it worked02:41
xskoulaxKosai: i get the following warning in the log "fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:5:1) found02:42
wolf2945thanks, knew it was there somewhere, i was trying -s * heh02:42
Mitariowolf2945, synaptic ;)02:42
Mitarioor dpkg -l | grep i02:42
Mitariogrep ii*02:42
xskoulaxKosai:  only other warnings in the log are about fonts02:42
wolf2945i just built a new ubuntu box, have an old debian box thats going to be replaced, just needed a list of whats installed to move over, synaptic is not on my old box heh, thanks guys02:43
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KamionMitario: completely uninstalled packages will be missing from 'dpkg -l' output anyway, although yours does filter out things like removed packages with configuration files remaining02:43
xskoulaxKosai: looks like i'm attached to what the card considers its 2nd head too so let me switch that real quick02:43
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stodgePlease add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 <-- anyone know the correct way to fix this?02:47
stodgeWhen doing autogen.sh02:47
stodgeRunning automake-1.4...02:47
stodgeconfigure.in: 7: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'02:47
speelgrr gdesklet not working02:48
TheMusostodge: Have you got libtool installed?02:48
stodgeHmmm - is that where those are? I thought I had all required packages installed :P02:48
stodgeThanks02:48
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stodgeYes I do02:49
stodge1.5.6-202:49
TheMusoHave you got gettext installed?02:49
TheMusoAnd libc6-dev?02:49
xskoulaxKosai: i noticed on reboot, after switching the display to head1 on the card, that the following error is displayed "ignore PCI Display device 01:05.0 and 01:05.1" 02:50
stodgelibc6-dev yes02:50
stodgegettext yes02:50
stodgeI have automake 1.4 and 1.7 installed02:51
Kosaixskoulax: Huh, interesting.  No idea, I'm afraid; you might try asking Google.02:51
TheMusoWhen I was on here yesterday, someone had a problem and found removing the BusID line helped. If you have that, try commenting it out.02:51
xskoulaxfrom what i've seen so far either i'm asking google the wrong question or it simply dosn't know ;), thx for the help kosai at least i know where that log is no :)02:52
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KosaiIt might be that the PCI ID is making your Google query too specific; perhaps if you just search for "ignore PCI Display device" you'll find how to solve someone else's similar problem.02:52
speelany one here has gdesklets running?02:53
speellol guess not02:57
Sn0wmanyeah, i do02:57
Despairspeel: not after it spectacularly locked up yesterday, forcing a reboot.02:57
speeloaf02:57
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speelSn0wman: where was the .display file located its not in my home dir02:58
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Sn0wmanspeel, /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/02:58
stodgeOh man I'm going to have to reinstall Ubuntu - this just isn't working02:59
speelbut isant there a .display file you have to edit?03:00
stodgechecking for automake >= 1.4...03:00
stodge  testing automake-1.4... not found.03:00
Sn0wmanspeel, no03:00
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stodgeI have automake 1.7 isntalled but it wont se it03:00
stodge(see it)03:00
Sn0wmanyou just run gdesklets /path/to/display 03:00
TheMusostodge: What are you trying to build?03:00
stodgeI have a simple glade-- project generated using glade03:01
stodgeI had to manually compile and install glade-- as I couldn't find it for Ubuntu03:01
TheMusoWell it is in fact in Ubuntu main. Do an apt-cache search glade and you will get tons of stuff.03:02
stodgeHmmmmm03:02
stodgeLet me re-install and try again03:02
stodgeClear all this universe junk out I installed :P03:02
TheMusoYou shouldn't have to re-install.03:02
stodgeBack in a few days - thanks for your help. Appreciate it!03:03
TheMusoGee why do people always think a re-install is the answer?03:04
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zenwhen_Tomorrow is when the shipping version of ubuntu is coming03:05
zenwhen_the moment the cd arrives, Im giving ubuntu another shot03:05
PenguinBoyUbuntu is a wonderful distro!03:05
Sn0wmanja03:05
PenguinBoythe absolute best I have ever ran03:06
Mitariooh yeah! long description support for the updates03:07
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Mitarioi fscking love ruby03:07
Mitarioand ubuntu of course ;)03:07
PenguinBoylol03:07
PenguinBoygoes without saying my friend03:07
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PenguinBoywelceom guys!03:10
StolenShoeBoxHello. I have a question. Should I pre-partition my hard drive before installing ubuntu. I want to keep windows for games and such.03:10
PenguinBoyI would recommend that....try partition magic03:11
PenguinBoyor fdisk...if you are good at partitioning03:11
StolenShoeBoxim downloading partition magic right now =)03:11
PenguinBoygreat!03:12
StolenShoeBoxso i just free up some space with it than when installing ubuntu i tell it to be installed on the free space?03:12
PenguinBoyhow large is your drive?03:12
PenguinBoyyes03:12
StolenShoeBoxits around 160gbs03:13
PenguinBoyStolenSoeBox......is this your 1st Linux distro?03:13
StolenShoeBoxno03:13
StolenShoeBoxive used suse mandrake debian redhat03:14
StolenShoeBoxand ive used ubuntu before03:14
StolenShoeBoxi just never used linux and windows on one box03:14
StolenShoeBoxheh03:14
PenguinBoyi have two 80GB HDDs......one for Win2K (strictly games....and one for ubuntu03:14
StolenShoeBoxawesome =)03:14
WW_Win2k for games?  With tuxracer and defendguin, what more could you want?03:15
PenguinBoyif they would only port Empire Earth and Emporer Dune to Linux I would delete my Win HDD03:15
PenguinBoylol WWW_03:15
PenguinBoyWW_ you left out Frozen Bubbles!03:15
defendguinlol03:15
StolenShoeBoxPenguinBpy: im a starcraft/warcraft fan =). i like the new warhammer game to =)03:15
PenguinBoymy personal favorite!03:15
WW_oops, sorry defendguin, didn't mean to ping03:15
defendguinlol WW_ what about supertux?03:15
StolenShoeBoxPenguinBoy so ill be able to slect windows from the grub boot menu?03:16
xskoulaxPenguinBoy: you left out civ III03:16
PenguinBoyyes stolen03:16
PenguinBoyI lov e Civ III!!!!!!!!!!!103:16
PenguinBoyxskoulax>have you ever played the Linux version of Civilzation?????03:17
xskoulaxPenguinBoy: no can't say i have, i played civ III over ubuntus terminal server client though :D03:17
xskoulaxwas a little laggy but plenty playable03:18
PenguinBoysounds fun03:18
PenguinBoyfreeciv is the Linux remake I believe03:18
StolenShoeBoxPenguinBoy so i just resize my c partiotion?03:18
PenguinBoyyes Stolen03:18
PenguinBoy20 GB or so03:18
PenguinBoyI like a large Linux partition03:18
xskoulaxPenguinBoy: yea freeciv is a linux remake that has rules for civ I and civ II03:19
PenguinBoyi have not figured it out yet03:19
PenguinBoyhaving trouble connecting to a server03:19
speelhey need a lil help i istalled a gdesklet display called WeeklyCalendar and when i type gdesklets /home/speel/.gdesklets/Sensors/WeeklyCalendar03:19
speel it acts like its running but there is nothing on my desktop03:19
PenguinBoydid you log out and log back in after you installed it??03:19
speelno03:20
PenguinBoytry that03:20
speelso try to log out and run that same command again right?03:20
PenguinBoysi03:20
speeloki doki brb03:20
PenguinBoylol03:20
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speelnope =/03:22
PenguinBoymmmm03:22
PenguinBoycan anyone help us with a gdesklet display?????03:23
speelbut i get this error when i just type gdesklet03:23
eaonhehe03:23
eaonyou won't believe it03:23
speel/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead03:23
speel  self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)03:23
eaonbut i'm not getting the desklets either03:23
eaoni read the manpage03:23
eaonbut i'm still not smarter03:24
speelwould that error cause a problem?03:24
PenguinBoymmmmm03:24
Mitarioheh, guys, take a look at this: http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/rubyrocks.png... it's not yet the mockup on the page, but it is a start :)03:25
PenguinBoykewl03:27
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Krypt0nlooks nice03:27
Mitarioshould turn into http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/updatescenter.png at some point03:28
Mitarioum http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/updatecenter.png thatis03:28
Krypt0nvery nice03:29
Krypt0nwould be good if that became a part of the distro03:29
eaonoooh03:29
PenguinBoysure would03:29
eaonnow i got the desklets03:29
eaonnice03:29
PenguinBoytada!!!!!!!!!!!!103:29
PenguinBoywhat did you do?03:29
eaonwent to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/03:30
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PenguinBoywonderful!@03:30
eaonlooked into the folders03:30
eaontyped typed gdesklets whatever.display03:30
eaonand then gdesklets03:30
eaonthen it worked :)03:31
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eaonthis needs a management screen03:31
WW_Mitario: Looks cool... I usually find out whats availabel in Synaptic by clicking on the "S" field.03:31
bipolarHelp! :P03:31
bipolarX keeps hanging on my laptop.03:31
PenguinBoywhat's up bipolar?03:31
speelyou sure its /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/ cause i dont have displays i have display03:31
WW_available*... (i.e. what available for upgrading)03:31
eaonMitario, that looks like plone ;)03:32
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eaonthe heading, that is03:32
bipolarit hangs up for about 30 sec, then I can switch to vt1 and back and it works until it locks up again03:32
Mitarioeaon, heh, euh wouldn't know :)03:32
bipolarIt's an S3 chip. 1400x105003:32
bipolarI think it's mouse driver related03:32
speelgrr03:33
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bipolarthe laptop has a snaptic (sic) touchpad.03:33
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bipolarI've tried setting X to use the synaptic driver, but it does the same lockup thing03:34
speel::kicks gdesklets::03:35
Solkarishow do we get the last Ubuntu artwork back?03:36
Solkaristhe replacement is BS03:36
SmokingFirewhats the replacement?03:36
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SolkarisBLANK PAGES03:36
Solkarisblank no artwork wallpaper03:37
bipolaryep.... if I don't use my mouse, X doesnt hang. :P03:37
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bipolargrumble03:38
eaonthe starterbar desklet is cool03:38
speelah any idea where you found .display?03:39
mirak_anyone any good with xfce4?03:39
mirak_err...even just a little good03:39
mirak_or can point me in the right direction to get some help03:39
speelwww.linuxquestions.org lol03:39
mirak_lol03:40
eaonspeel, /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/03:40
mirak_ooh..nvm...i found the irc room03:40
mirak_haha.......its empty03:40
mirak_so i take back the nvm03:40
Solkarisso anyone know if they are going to put the artwork back .. or are we now stuck with fugly desktops because censorship is so important?03:41
speelyea and theres a whole bunch of folders in there03:41
mctavishI use xfce4 but I don't use ubuntu :)03:41
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mctavish...and I am in windows right now=-O03:41
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tolstoyfolks, is there any reason I can't right-click on a directory so I can "open" it with something, like, say, a terminal?03:42
tolstoyWorked in gnome 2.4.03:42
jdubSolkaris: the artwork is all available03:42
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jdubSolkaris: install ubuntu-calendar when it arrives in the archive03:42
danielsclee: i'm at mum's place.  on xp.03:42
jdubor grab mine03:42
jdubone sec03:42
PenguinBoyubuntu-calendar is GREAT!03:42
jdubhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/03:42
jdub^ grab the ubuntu-calendar packages03:42
Solkarisyou know the fact that they removed those packages is the first thing about this distro that seriously pisses me off03:43
speeleaon: in the Displays folder what am i looking for?03:43
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Solkaristhanks jdub .. grabbing them now03:44
tolstoyIf I right-click on a folder, hit properties, add "gnome-terminal" in the "open with" tab, I still can't open with a terminal.03:44
skoulaanyidea how to get a ghost to leave?03:44
jdubSolkaris: they haven't been removed, the defaults have been changed.03:45
speelWOOT i got it03:45
LinuxJonesskoula, you have aghost in your house ?03:45
skoulaLinuxJones: no my ghost is sitting at the bottom of the nicks list03:45
eaonspeel, .display files in the folders03:45
LinuxJonesskoula, lol03:46
smoskoula: "/nickserv help ghost"   ?03:46
skoulawell near the bottom03:46
speelyea i got it03:46
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speelthanks03:46
smoelse it'll die in it's own time03:46
Solkarisjdub its the fact that the vocal morality police got it changed that is annoying 03:46
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speelbut that sucks i gotta type out what folders and stuff03:46
billytwowilly'd like to set up an 8 drive RAID 5 array in linux with IDE drives. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive brand of raid card that will work with linux besides 3ware? Is 3ware the only one?03:46
Sn0wmanspeel, the new version of gdesklets (0.30) has an interface that does it for you.03:47
speeli cant recomend one but you can check www.pricwatch.com03:47
speeli cant recomend one but you can check www.pricewatch.com03:47
jdubSolkaris: it wasn't a vocal minority issue. those problems would affect a large proportion of our potential user base.03:47
smoSolkaris: I believe it came down to a genuine discussion in the end?  not a slashdot-style lynch mob ?03:47
billytwowillyhehehe. pricwatch03:48
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speellol03:48
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toothpickWhen will the default login screen be changing?03:49
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Solkaristhe reality is those pictures are no worse than 90% of the slick ads in magazines .. but don't want to argue about it .. just really disappointed that it was handled this way03:50
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skouladamn it this is getting on my nerves03:51
tolstoyMan oh man.  No one on multiple channels can answer my question.03:51
toothpickSolkaris, I was just wondering if it indeed is changing?  I think it is a professional looking shot personally, but not appropriate for my uses.03:52
skoulaanyone see a reason that the fglrx drivers refuse to use my dell flatpanel that is correctly identified by ubuntu?03:52
speelany idea where i can find gdesklets 0.30?03:52
jdubSolkaris: and totally inappropriate for a huge chunk of our potential audience.03:52
jdubtoothpick: yes, latest packages are updated with preview-like artwork (only better)03:52
jdubtoothpick: and you can install the ubuntu-calendar package if you want automagically updated background images03:53
toothpickso jdub, if I do another apt-get upgrade I won't see those GAP style images?03:53
PenguinBoytolstoy...can;t you right click on the folder....click on properties....and then make an associatiopn?03:53
jdubtoothpick: uh huh03:53
PenguinBoytoothpick...I too recommend the ubuntu-calendar....it is awesome!03:53
Solkarisjdub and toothpick like I said I dont want to argue about it .. I'm as annoyed with the change as the people that wanted it changed .. so saying it offended them is fine .. but the change offended me03:54
mirak_toothpick, GAP style=funnyest thing ever03:54
tolstoyPenguinBoy, yeap.  It just doesn't show up in the menu when I right click.  Does on the "Browser" sidebar, though.03:54
toothpickMaybe it was Target.03:54
smoSolkaris: There's a very over-used adage about pleasing everyone, all of the time.03:55
PenguinBoymmmm03:55
mirak_toothpick, definatly GAP03:55
tolstoyPenguinBoy, I even tried putting "emacs" in there, just for fun.03:55
tolstoyPenguinBoy, seems that folder objects aren't allowed to play.03:55
jdubSolkaris: i can't sell ubuntu with those images on by default (i work for canonical)03:55
toothpickI mean, I'd like a Doctor Fun theme...but I couldn't use that at school either.03:55
speeloaf why dident ubuntu automaticly install devlopment tools like gcc etc03:55
smoAs it stands, artwork turned out to be a non-issue for me.  My employer requested company-branded artwork for our terminals03:56
jdubSolkaris: making sure you understand that it was *not* a 'vocal minority' issue03:56
eaonjdub, copyright issues?03:56
Solkarisjdub again I don't want to argue about it .. stated how I felt and now I'm done with issue. 03:56
sladenspeel: apt-get install build-essential03:57
jdubeaon: hrm?03:57
speelah ty03:57
PenguinBoyapt-get install build-essential03:57
PenguinBoyyeah03:57
eaonjdub, why can't you sell ubuntu with those images on by default?03:57
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Solkariseaon because as the marketing forces of the world has shown naked people are EVIL 03:58
Solkarisok that was bad .. my bad03:58
PenguinBoythe people are not naked03:58
eaoni actually laughed03:58
eaonand yes i do agree about that naked people in marketing campaigns these days suck03:59
speelconfigure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool03:59
eaonnot literally03:59
skoulaeaon: basicly in some cultures that much skin is a problem the view it porn03:59
skoulas/the/they03:59
eaonright03:59
jdubeaon: they're inappropriate for most markets03:59
eaonunderstandable, that is03:59
jdubeaon: demonstrating ubuntu with those images to potential partners was problematic04:00
tolstoyHm. I suspect nautilus is broken.  When I use the file browser, I can't open folders with terminals either.04:00
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eaonjdub, even "here"?04:00
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speelproblem configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool04:00
speel when i ./configure gdesklets 0.3004:00
eaon(as in western culture)04:00
jdubeaon: australia is very secular/liberal. it's still inappropriate for a business desktop.04:00
jdubeaon: it still makes potential partners wonder how serious we are.04:00
eaoninteresting04:00
eaonwe have naked people everywhere in austria04:01
eaoneven in ads for ad schools04:01
eaonor for yoghurts04:01
stodgeLet me see if I can reintsall glade--04:01
eaonhell, even shoes04:01
smoeaon: I'm trying to install ubuntu in a small-town US  internet cafe.  The fact that our userbase is 13-80+ was brought up before the lack of flash/java.  So yes, even in 'western' culture04:01
toothpickjdub, I ordered some Sars wonder soap...and then got a catalog with four topless women on the front ;) (they were covering themselves with their hands.)04:01
PenguinBoyi think they are cute looking LOL04:02
eaonsmo: hehe - starts to make sense ;)04:02
eaonpeople need more pr0n obviously!04:02
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Solkarissmo that would make sense if that small town US internet cafe was located in a part of the US that had no access to MTV or Vogue .. but they do so what are you protecting those users from?04:02
stodgeWhy does aptitude want to install automake-1.4 when automake-1.7 is also available?04:03
LinuxJonesIf the art had been out of focus from the forearm down, it would have been more appropriate and have more impact.04:03
eaonokay NO MORE NAKED PEOPLE DISCUSSIONS04:03
PenguinBoylol04:03
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PenguinBoylol04:03
Mitarionaked people!? where!04:03
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tolstoySolkaris, parents don't mind the partial nudity, nor do the kids, but parents WITH kids: a weird thing happens. ;)04:03
eaonwww.suicidegirls.com !04:03
djempakmaybe if someone converted it to ASCII art...04:03
Mitariotolstoy, my parents don't mind :)04:03
Mitarioneither do I04:04
jdubtoothpick: that's very different to images being displayed on a tool used in a business/school/home environment04:04
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tolstoyme either.04:04
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PenguinBoynor me04:04
Kosaistodge: Because automake is not backwards compatible.04:04
PenguinBoyremember pregnanat Demi Moore in the ad04:04
WW_Argh... last week I could play DVDs with totem-xine.  Now it is not working.04:04
tolstoyi wouldn't have even known those images were "racy" if it weren't for the controversy.04:04
toothpickjdub, no I was just mentioning the catalog cause it is an Australian Store.04:04
toothpickI always wanted to go to Australia.04:04
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tolstoymmmm, australia. home of farscape.04:05
eaonpeople always think i'm from australia04:05
Mitariolol, what is the debian experimental repo again? (wants to test how many updates my app can handle)04:05
eaonbut we don't have kangaroos in austria04:05
stodgeCan I force it to install automake-1.7?04:05
Kosaistodge: Sure, apt-get install automake-1.7.04:05
eaonoffski04:05
toothpickArnold is from Austria iirc04:05
eaonbye04:05
stodgeCan I then do apt-get install glade?04:05
eaonhe is04:06
eaonthe asshole04:06
eaonsorry04:06
Kosaistodge: These aren't packages with implicit version numbers; each is an individual package without conflicts.04:06
Kosaistodge: Um, sure, I think.04:06
jdubstodge: glade-gnome-204:06
tolstoyWell, I think I'll post this nautilus problem as a bug, see what happens.04:06
eaontoothpick, Hitler is too!04:06
stodgeglade-gnome-2? Ok thanks04:06
eaoni even worked at a place where he got kicked out04:06
SmokingFireeaon: modern theories show that Hitler was actually a german living on the border.04:07
toothpickAll my WWII history has come from Hogan's Heroes.04:07
PenguinBoylol04:07
stodge aptitude install glade-gnome-2 still wants to install automake-1.4. I'll try to install that first04:07
PenguinBoyI see nothing04:07
PenguinBoyI know nothing04:07
eaonSmokingFire, modern theories?04:08
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eaonwhat is that?04:08
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WW_It figures... I whine a little here, try to play a DVD again, and it works.  Ubuntu magic.04:08
smoI wonder if there's a prize for levels of OTness.  hitler's genealogy is certainly striving for one ;o)04:08
eaon"he could have been a german though we know where he was born and where he lived. hmmm yeah."04:08
eaonsmo: i'm the OT king04:08
SmokingFireeaon: latest news I read on BBC news, yet has to confirmed or dispelled. 04:08
toothpickI read it on a WIKI.04:08
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eaonsmo: seriously there is not one channel i didn't get to talk about something totally obscure04:09
eaonit's easy though04:09
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eaoneveryone can do it!04:09
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SmokingFireBut the difference between germans and Austrians are as big between Canadians and Americans.04:09
eaonSmokingFire, thats not right04:09
Solkaristhat a difference 04:09
stodgeCan I install more than one automake? 04:09
SmokingFireits not eaon?04:09
djempakwhat's the difference between Canadians and Americans? ;)04:09
eaonSmokingFire, we might speak the same language04:09
SolkarisCanadians are smarter?04:10
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eaonSmokingFire, but the mentality and actually everything else is different04:10
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toothpickMichael Moore told me Canadians leave their doors open.04:10
toothpickRather unlocked.04:10
eaonwhat are doors?04:10
djempakas in, to their homes?04:10
smoeaon: That does sound similar to the difference between Americans and Canadians04:10
punkassSmokingFire: good call :)04:10
Solkaristoothpick I can take you to places in the US just like that04:10
punkasssorry that was Solkaris04:10
smotoothpick: I've lived in this house for two years, and I've never found a key that matches any of our locks.  I'm in the US.04:10
eaonokay i should get back to work04:11
eaonbye04:11
eaonno04:11
eaonit's 4 am04:11
PenguinBoybye04:11
eaongo to the fucking bed04:11
punkassi look my doors...not that i need to tho...ive left bikes on the back of my car etc..and there still there in the morning04:11
WW_eaon: You're using the computer... so that's work, right?04:11
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punkasslock*04:11
eaonWW_, no04:11
WW_alas04:12
eaonWW_, though i'd enjoy getting payed for wanking04:12
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PenguinBoylol eaon04:12
toothpickI had my trash can stolen this month =( one of the wheeled toters...wish I could burn my trash here.04:12
jduboff-topic stuff elsewhere please dudes04:12
toothpicksmo: where are you on the globe?04:12
toothpickjdub gotcha.04:12
SmokingFireI was never saying that there aren't differences between Canadians and Americans. Just saying they are as big as Austria and German.04:12
smotoothpick: rural michigan.04:12
eaonyaya i'm off anyway :)04:12
eaongnight :)04:12
PenguinBoygnight04:13
PenguinBoymate04:13
smotoothpick: Far enough north that canadian quarters are as good as american ones.  but not so far that we fly their flag.04:13
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punkassstodge: yes you can04:13
stodgeOk thanks04:13
Eno_how do i stop it from loading "snd_cmipci" on boot? i think it's interfering with my snd_emu10k1, they are both loaded at the same time..04:13
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Eno_i tried adding it to hotplug blacklist, but it still loads04:14
toothpickoic04:14
punkassyou can  skip snd_cmipci  just cant remember what file to add to ..04:14
Eno_skip snd_cmipci04:15
Eno_discover.conf04:15
punkassyes thats it04:15
Eno_hmm.. i did that as well04:15
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PenguinBoywill karamba run in gnome?04:15
moyoteIf I run MAKEDEV hdb, shouldn't the device be created and show up in /dev????04:15
punkasswell that is the extent of my knowledge..it worked for me so i stopped looking04:16
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toothpickgnight all04:16
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toothpickbtw boston is winning 4-004:16
PenguinBoynight toothpick04:16
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tolstoyah ha! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15479904:16
DespairEno_: if you just want to make sure the emu10k1 is the first device, add `options snd-emu10k1 index=0` and `options snd-cmipci index=1` to a file in /etc/modprobe.d and do `update-modules`04:16
tolstoyand http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2004-September/msg00079.html04:16
kingfishcan someone help a Linux n00b!!!04:16
PenguinBoywhats the prob kingfish?04:17
speelany one got gdesklets 0.30 to work?04:17
kingfishits there are programs i can fun to help find drivers04:17
speelkingfish: as many people say ... google04:17
PenguinBoylol04:18
Eno_Despair, thanks! will that make it so it uses emu10k1 instead of cmipci (and i have sound)?04:18
WW_I was wrong when I said it worked a little while ago, I _am_ having a problem playing a DVD with totem-xine.04:18
PenguinBoyyep google it04:18
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DespairEno_: it makes the emu10k1 the first device for alsa, which is default for most programs.04:18
PenguinBoywb xskoulax04:18
Eno_okay04:18
xskoulaxthx04:18
xskoulaxthis hub is driving me nuts04:18
kingfishso will any linux drivers work for any linux distro of do i have to find ones for debbian04:19
WW_When I select Movie->Play Disc in totem-xine, it just brings up a file selection window.04:19
tolstoyis there a way in a launcher to add a parameter: myapp --something=%f, or something like that?  04:19
speelkingfish: drivers for what?04:19
kingfishchipset04:19
speeli dont think you need BUT i can be wrong04:19
PenguinBoyi dont think you need either04:20
WW_Maybe totem-xine is telling me somthing. I can play Galaxy Quest, but I can't play All Quiet on the Western Front.04:20
PenguinBoywhat mkes you think you need chipset drivers?????04:20
tolstoyHm. a launcher with command = "gnome-terminal --working-directory=" doesn't seem to work if you drag a folder to it.04:21
speelmanshbdfihbsdfj what is gobobject -2.004:21
kingfishcause stuff takes forever to load and i have a fast hard drive so i was just asumming that they where needed04:21
PenguinBoythat would not be the cause of your problem04:22
kingfishwhat then?04:22
PenguinBoydefien stuff and load time04:22
PenguinBoydefine04:22
kingfishopening almost any apllication and more the 30 seconds04:23
PenguinBoylaptop or desktop?04:23
kingfishdesktop04:23
PenguinBoypartioned HDD?04:23
speelanyone here sucessfully installed gdesklets 0.3004:24
kingfishi let it pick, default04:24
WW_kingfish: How much memory do you have?04:24
kingfish265MB ECC PC13304:24
bur[n] ercan anyone recommend a good way to get all the data from /dev/hda1 which is my / onto /dev/hda2 which is in /mnt/hda2?  I tried from a live cd doing "cp -a /mnt/hda1/* /mnt/hda2" but it segfaults :\04:24
WW_kingfish: ok, just checking.04:24
tolstoyOh, I see.  Dragging a nautilus object deposits a string file:///blah/blah.04:25
scotthbur[n] er, are the partitions the same size?04:27
sertmannhttp://upit.dk/files/WTF.jpg <--- just like the title says :) , ubuntu or gnome problem?04:27
scotthbur[n] er, also try rsync, its ussually alot better04:27
WW_Any ideas why totem-xine seems to treat a DVD as if it were a data cd?04:28
tsengWW_: do you have libdvdcss?04:28
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WW_tseng: Yup.  I just tried playing one moving and it worked, but its not working with two others.04:29
WW_s/moving/movie/04:29
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tsengworks for all mine so far..04:29
ishWhen setting up Evolution contact lists, LDAP is shaded out.04:29
ishHow can I enable it?04:29
PenguinBoythis has just started happening when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade......Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled04:29
PenguinBoy 'Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)'04:29
PenguinBoyin the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter04:29
PenguinBoy....any ideas??????04:29
tsengPenguinBoy: edit sources.list and comment out the cd line, then apt-get update04:29
tsengPenguinBoy: or... put the cd in04:30
sertmannhe04:30
PenguinBoyLOL04:30
sertmann:)04:30
Solkarissertman explain the problem04:30
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sertmannthey're not sorted alphabetically even though i set the directory to do that...04:31
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Solkarisyes they are04:31
sertmannand all other files are04:31
sertmannnani=04:31
SolkarisNelly comes before Nelly Furtado 04:31
sertmannmmm04:31
sertmannand after04:31
Solkaristhats basic 04:31
sertmannyeah04:31
smosertmann: It appears alphabetically if you ignore the " - " et al ?04:31
gotd0tdoes anybody have any experience setting up dual monitors on a 9700?04:31
smosertmann: Which appears to be what it's doing04:32
PenguinBoynight guys!!!!!!!!!!04:32
Solkaristhe second word in the 3rd group seems to be Nellyville which would be AFTER Country and Furtado 04:32
xskoulaxcya PenguinBoy 04:32
sertmannbut, im pretty sure the rest of my files are not acting like that... i'll have to check....04:32
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Solkarissertmann the thing to do is fix your file names04:33
sertmannif that's the explanation.... then, damn that's annoying...04:33
WW_Is a file browser supposed to pop up when I put in a DVD?  (The drive is a combo CD/DVD.)04:33
Solkarissertmann yea but that would be the fix 04:34
sertmannSolkaris: argh!04:34
scotthsertmann, how does ls sort them?04:34
sertmannscotth, unu momento04:35
Solkarissertmann I feel your pain .. been working on getting mp3 collection cleaned up 04:35
sertmannHe yeah, been doing that for a month after i got my iPod04:35
scotthtrue solution is to not use mp3's and use ogg vorbis instead... but I guess thats a solution to a different problem04:35
=== tseng FLAC
speelhey how do i install my nvidia drivers?04:37
SolkarisFLAC so your music collection eats space .. oh yea I love 40 meg songs04:37
sertmannscotth: ls messes up too04:37
xskoulaxspeel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:37
smoI've only found FLAC genuinely useful for classical music.  for the most part, it's better than my ears can discern04:37
sertmannwell, darn it...04:37
speelty04:37
tsengi have a real home theater setup04:37
tsengi feel bad playing a compressed codec through it04:37
smoI've $20 walmart speakers.   ogg fills my needs :o)04:37
tsenggigabytes are cheap.04:38
attitudelol04:38
WW_This is weird.  A movie that has worked fine for me before now plays, but with no sound.04:38
WW_I hate it when stuff stops working.04:38
ZindarWW_: happened to me yesterday... restarted the movie player.. than it worked04:38
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WW_...mysteriously04:38
xskoulaxWW_: anyone would think your running windows ;)04:38
scotthsertmann, its probably something wrong with the c library, most likely a locales problem... ie the locales not being set properly... so I would say its not a gnome problem, kinda an ubuntu problem04:39
baHamman04:39
baHamthere are so few ubuntu users yet04:39
sertmannscotth: isn't converting mp3 to ogg utterly pointless?04:39
baHamthat sucks04:39
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attitudebaHam: I think this is a very hot start for this distro04:40
WW_Zindar: Restarting it didn't help.  Still no sound.04:40
sertmannappart from the fact my iPod doesn't support it....04:40
Solkarisconverting from mp3 to ogg is worse than pointless .. you lose quality in the process04:40
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SmokingFirebaHam: I think thats great04:40
scotthsertmann, yes, but if you start with ogg your a lot better off... atleast in my opinion04:40
sertmannSolkaris: hence the "uttely# :)04:40
sertmannargh04:41
sertmannneed sleep :)04:41
gotd0tahh, dual monitors are a major pain04:41
matthewanyone have a profile thingy, to make xchat look like mirc04:41
SmokingFirebaHam: Why do you need personally 1 million of active users?04:41
gotd0tthats the only thing that windows does FLAWLESSLY04:41
attitudegotd0t: I have to disagree, windows runs virus flawlessly04:42
SmokingFiregotd0t: X11 just needs a graphical tool made by gnome. Not distro dependent. As on some distro's its painless.04:42
smoI think ubuntu has a heck of a userbase considering it's still (afiak) a pre-release04:42
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sladensmo: cunning that, isn't it :)04:42
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baHamI mean04:43
baHamI like very much04:43
baHamthat people create04:43
baHamicon sets04:43
sertmannhmmm scotth, you might have a point..... just discovered in Gnome Terminal it's danish charset, while in tty it's uk charset.... could that be the problem?04:43
baHamand wallpapers04:43
baHamand themes04:43
baHamfor distro's04:43
baHamubuntu has not many users04:43
SmokingFireattitude: never got virus unless I wanted on win3204:43
scotthsertmann, possibly04:43
baHamso there are not so many themes04:43
baHamfor gentoo there are more themes than users04:43
scotththe locale would control how things are sorted04:43
baHamthis makes me angry04:43
gotd0tis there anybody who can help me set up my dual monitors?04:43
attitudeSmokingFire: but when you wanted one there where lots to chose from and they all ran great04:44
bur[n] erscotth: still there... my partitions are different size... i am doing this so i'll have more space...04:44
scotthgotd0t, what are you trying to do?04:44
SmokingFirebaHam: Just use gnome-look.org04:44
smobaHam: That's changing quickly.  Just look at gnome-look.org.  The number of Ubuntu themes on their front page is insanely disproportionate04:44
bur[n] erand cause i want ot switch to reiserfs as opposed to ext304:44
sertmannscotth, now how would i go about changing chartset in console?04:44
WW_I tried mplayer instead of totem-xine, but there is no /dev/dvd device.04:44
baHamthere are like 504:44
scotthbur[n] er, use rsync04:44
baHamor 604:44
bur[n] er?04:44
baHamand they all suck..04:44
bur[n] erwill that be a problem if /proc is mounted and i'm working on the filesystem now?04:44
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bur[n] eror should i boot to a livecd?04:44
scotth$LOCALE or $LOCALES something like that... maybe $LC_ALL04:44
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gotd0tscotth: well I have a 9700 pro... and i want to set up both my monitors so i have one large desktop spaning both screens04:45
scotthbur[n] er, don't go to rieserfs... xfs is better and I would still recommend ext3 if your not familiar with linux04:45
sertmannhmmm well, I want english locale, just danish charset...04:45
SmokingFireattitude: Just saying most virus problems are caused by unknowing people. Could or will be the same on Linux/Gnome/KDE.04:45
baHamwhat did the last update04:45
baHamdo ?04:45
baHamI updated several packages..04:45
scotthbur[n] er, rsync has some exclude syntax... man rsync for it and exclude /proc04:46
SmokingFirebaHam: Shouldn't any gnome theme/icon set work on ubuntu?04:46
baHamyeah, they work04:46
baHamI just mean04:46
scotthbur[n] er, alternativly just rsync the partition and afterwards delete the proc space out of the new partition before rebooting into it04:46
baHamubuntu themes or icons04:46
WW_I'm trying mplayer since something in totem-xine has broken.  Is it normal that I has to create /dev/dvd by hand?04:46
baHamjust a theme with ubuntu colors04:46
wolf2945hrm, having problems with gksudo. when i run a root app it asks for password, i put it in, but auth.log says its invalid. but if i type 'su' at prompt and use the same password it works fine. any ideas?04:46
SmokingFirebaHam: What human theme?04:46
baHamor an iconset with ubuntu logo and color shapes04:46
baHamHuman theme sucks..04:47
scotthgotd0t, you need gatos, I don't think its supported in ubuntu... its not even in debian proper if I remember correctly... its a long hard road04:47
baHamhttp://baham.altervista.org/Screenshot-5.png 04:47
SmokingFirebaHam: Ok, I understand, want different theme/icons based on the human theme/icons?04:47
baHamthat's my actual desktop04:47
baHambut I want to change04:47
WW_Anyone?  Shouldn04:47
xskoulaxscotth: wasn't gatos for tvout on ati cards?04:47
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scotthWW_, you shouldnt have to create /dev/dvd... its ussually just a symlink... and /etc/udeb/links.conf controls that if memory serves... so just put it in there and restart udev04:48
WW_Anyone?  Shouldn't /dev/dvd be created automagically?04:48
gotd0tscotth: well I've heard from a bunch of people that i need to get configure xinerama to do it... but i havent figured out the right config yet04:48
baHamSmokingFire, something like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15723 <- that04:48
RuffianSoldiercrap guys04:48
WW_scotth: I created it as a symlink by hand.04:48
scotthxskoulax, gotd0t oh yeah... my fault it is xinerama... still a tough task04:48
RuffianSoldieri just did a fresh install of Ubuntu one of my compters and im having problems04:48
SmokingFirebaHam: Download and install the icon theme.04:49
scotthWW_, remove it and do it the udev way... it will be persistent across reboots04:49
RuffianSoldierroot@Ubuntu:/home/jane # apt-cache search fluxbox04:49
RuffianSoldierroot@Ubuntu:/home/jane 04:49
baHamSmokingFire, I want the same stuff like debian but an ubuntu theme..04:49
baHamSmokingFire, y'understand ?04:49
xskoulaxyea gatos is for tv out gotd0t search google for xinerama i think there were some gides there04:49
xskoulaxi had it running a while ago on a suse install04:49
RuffianSoldieranyone?04:49
RuffianSoldierguys, i cant do apt-gets04:49
tolstoyEeek!  emacs doesn't syntax highlight python!  The sky is falling.04:49
SmokingFirebaHam: No, but forget, I'm linux noob, so a lot is new to me.04:49
RuffianSoldierBuilding Dependency Tree... Done04:50
RuffianSoldierE: Couldn't find package fluxbox04:50
gotd0txskoulax: well i have been trying the guides... but none of them weem to be working04:50
xskoulaxwas nice except when some applications decided to span the monitor on starting them04:50
SmokingFiretolstoy: the end of the world is near.04:50
WW_scotth: OK, thanks.  I take it that this bit of configuration is "normal", i.e. not something that Ubuntu should have configured automatically?04:50
gotd0ti was wondering if anybody knew anybody running dual monitors on a 9*0004:50
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scotthRuffianSoldier, that means fluxbox isnt in ubuntu... it focusses on gnome... try using the universe... it might have fluxbox04:50
tolstoySmokingFire, I mean, file.py, and #!/usr/bin/env python.  What more does emacs need (on ubuntu).04:50
scotthWW_, you should file a bug... ubuntu should take care of it by default04:50
RuffianSoldieri used to be able to do it scotth, but i just did a fresh install04:50
xskoulaxgotd0t: if i could find my install cd i'd be in a better position to try to help, as it is my ati driver install borked04:50
tolstoySmokingFire, and of course, syntax highlighting enabled.04:51
Eno_hey again.. i was wondering if rhythmbox was "broken"? i cant get it to add any of my files04:51
SmokingFiretolstoy: I just use gedit and its perfectly highlighted04:51
scotthRuffianSoldier, did you used to have the universe in your sources.list?04:51
RuffianSoldiernot sure04:51
adam_Go Ubuntu!! YIPEEEE!!!! :-D04:51
RuffianSoldierhow should i put it there?04:51
scotthtry adding it04:51
RuffianSoldierhow?04:51
SmokingFireEno_: Thats cause your IRC name sucks04:51
scotthummm you can do it from synaptic04:51
mirak_haHA04:51
Eno_heh04:51
RuffianSoldierwhat is synaptic?04:51
WW_scotth: Just checking... the line in links.conf should be: L  dvd   /dev/hdc04:52
mirak_omg04:52
adam_apt04:52
adam_lol04:52
RuffianSoldierapt-get universe?04:52
tolstoySmokingFire, well, it is with vim as well.04:52
adam_anyone have a problem? just got here.04:52
wolf2945and i thought i was a newb heh04:52
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scotthRuffianSoldier, are you in gnome?04:52
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Eno_SmokingFire: so do you know how to get rhythmbox working? :P04:52
scotthWW_, yeah that looks right04:52
RuffianSoldierscotth, yes04:52
wolf2945adam_ i do04:52
adam_sup?04:52
SmokingFiretolstoy: Hey I wanted CLI editors, I would be using MS dos and Amiga ED.04:52
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wolf2945having problems with gksudo. when i run a root app it asks for password, i put it in, but auth.log says its invalid. but if i type 'su' at prompt and use the same password it works fine. any ideas?04:52
adam_are your root password and your user password different?04:53
wolf2945yes04:53
scotthRuffianSoldier, go to "Computer" then "System Configuration" then "Synaptic..."04:53
adam_ok04:53
adam_when the dialog comes up for gksudo, put the user password in, not root04:53
bipolarI don't think my laptop does acpi04:53
WW_How do I restart udev?04:53
RuffianSoldieri know that adam_04:53
bipolarat least not in a compatable way04:53
adam_bipolar: which laptop?04:53
SmokingFireEno_: Sorry I havn't tried to add files yet. But I tested with an Apple Itunes file (AAC) and it didn't work.04:54
Eno_ok04:54
wolf2945hah ok that works, i thought it wanted root pass04:54
bipolaradam_: micron transport gx+04:54
wolf2945thanks adam04:54
scotthWW_, sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart04:54
bipolaris there a way to tell the system to use apm instead?04:54
adam_wolf2945: np04:54
SmokingFireEno_: So what format are you trying to import?04:54
Eno_SmokingFire: mostly mp304:54
SmokingFireEno_: that should work.04:54
RuffianSoldierscotth, what now?04:54
scotthRuffianSoldier, after that go to "Settings" "Repositories" you can check the box that has univers... you might have to scroll over04:55
SmokingFirecan you play mp3's from rhytmnbox?04:55
adam_SmokingFire: yes04:55
SmokingFiresorry asking Eno_04:55
adam_lol04:55
Eno_nope04:55
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xskoulaxgotd0t: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175533&highlight=xinerama+9700 that thread might help04:55
RuffianSoldierok04:55
RuffianSoldieri did04:56
RuffianSoldiernow what?04:56
matthewis there a package for xchat2.40?04:56
Eno_SmokingFire: and totem doesn't work either... and they both use gstreamer :/04:56
Eno_xmms works, though04:56
gotd0txskoulax, thx04:56
SmokingFireEno_: then download from synaptic the package gstreamer08-mad and log off and on.04:56
scotthnow say ok and then hit "Reload"04:56
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scotthand you should be able to install fluxbox04:56
RuffianSoldierok, thanks alot scotth04:56
scotthwelcome04:57
bipolarthere's got to be a way to switch to apm from acpi, right?04:57
scotthEno_, apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad 04:57
baHamdoes anybody in here have an iPod and makes it work on linux ? (upload-download files from/to ipod)04:57
adam_is it possible to manipulate the window list? like make it square, remove the text?04:57
scotthwhat does that say?04:57
RuffianSoldierI know have fluxbox04:58
RuffianSoldierYAY!04:58
scotthadam_, yes, right click on it and go to preferences or properties... it should be there04:59
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scotthadam_, just bump up the number of rows04:59
eldadoshello all04:59
bipolarI guess I'll work on it tomorrow at work. g'night all! :)04:59
Eno_SmokingFire: yay thanks, it works :)05:00
adam_it only lets me change the width, i'd have to change the height... but it only maxes at 12005:00
SmokingFireEno_: ok05:00
adam_oh wait...05:00
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WW_Another question for the multimedia experts.  I was told that I can get true full-screen video if I run mplayer with the command 'mplayer -vo xv'.  When I try this I just get errors, and I think I need to install another package.05:01
WW_Anyone know what it is?05:01
scotthWW_, I don't know why that would give you "true full-screen video" that just sets the video output plugin to xv05:02
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scotthhey dannyboy nice to see you here05:03
WW_scotth: The default mplayer, even after hitting 'f' to play full-screen, only plays in a small rectangle in the middle of the screen.05:03
scotthWW_, ummm... use xine? one sec05:03
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WW_scotth: I would, but it recently broke...05:03
adam_yea this is good thanks!05:03
WW_scotth: (See my earlier questions!)05:04
scotthWW_, that sounds like it sucks... let me see if I can find the proper incantations for mplayer... and maybe if I get the energy to scroll up Ill check that question05:04
WW_I would search myself, but I don't know where to start.05:04
SmokingFireI just use totem-xine for everythin.05:05
scotthWW_, where did you get working mplayer sources for ubuntu?05:05
WW_SmokingFire: I was using totem-xine, but something changed, and now it's not working happily.05:05
WW_scotth: I'm using Marillat's repository05:05
SmokingFireWW_: It doesn't you get blue screen?05:05
scotthewww... Im on powerpc... must find mplayer man pages before I can help05:06
WW_WW_: Which one, mplayer or totem-xine?05:06
WW_doh!05:06
SmokingFireWW_: totem-xine05:06
RuffianSoldierwait, is the full release of 4.10 out?05:06
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jdubno05:06
RuffianSoldierits not?05:06
WW_SmokingFire: Last week, I would sometimes get the blue screen in totem-xine, but if I started it again, it would work.05:06
RuffianSoldierwell was there a major update?05:07
RuffianSoldiercuz this is alot better than the first time i installed it05:07
WW_SmokingFire: Now I have something else going wrong.05:07
SmokingFireWW_: that would be the same with me and also my advice, start again.05:07
scotthRuffianSoldier, new beta I think05:07
SmokingFireWW_: do tell05:07
WW_SmokingFire: Yup, tried it several times.05:07
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SmokingFireWW_: what are you trying to get to play?05:08
xskoulaxanyone know what xfree86-dga is?05:08
scotthWW_, pgrep esd05:08
eldadosusing ubuntu64 and happy... updating the repositories and installing, is ubuntu going to install 64? or is it a mix of 32 and 64?05:08
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scotthWW_, can you try that for me?05:08
gotd0tthanks so much whoever just gave me that link05:08
RuffianSoldieranyone here use XFce4.2 BETA?05:08
xskoulaxi take it its working05:09
gotd0tyea05:09
gotd0tthank you sooo much05:09
xskoulaxi feel all fuzzy inside05:09
gotd0thaah05:09
xskoulaxif only i could make my stuff work05:09
WW_scotth: Sorry, I was in a different workspace, trying another dvd.05:09
RuffianSoldierthanks again scotth, you helped me out biggtime05:09
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WW_scotth: I'll get to it.05:09
RuffianSoldierOOH! MY DOWNLOAD IS AT 400KBS!05:09
xskoulaxactually linuxquestions is a good site to check stuff on some real good people helping out on their forums05:10
eldadosusing ubuntu64 and happy... updating the repositories and installing, is ubuntu going to install 64? or is it a mix of 32 and 64?05:10
WW_SmokingFire: Just trying to play a dvd.  When I select Movie->Play Disc in totem-xine, it just brings up a file selection window.05:10
scotthRuffianSoldier, anytime05:10
SmokingFireWW_: ok, sorry can't help then05:11
WW_scotth: pgrep esd returns nothing.05:11
WW_SmokingFire: np05:11
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scotthWW_: type esd at the terminal... any error messages?05:11
WW_DAMN!  I forgot to turn the volume back down :)05:12
matthewwhat are standard dev tools, like to compile stuff like the kernel05:12
scotthoops05:12
scotthdoes totem work now?05:12
SmokingFireWW_: On my machines it returns 3986 (Just for your information) <pgrep esd>05:13
WW_scotth: No errors... it played a funky noise, and now it is just sitting there.  Should that have been esd & ?05:13
scotthmatthew, if you want to compile a kernel have a look at kernel-package05:13
scotthWW_, no we want to see error messages05:13
brettcarmatthew: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelHowto05:13
scotthWW_, try to use totem... 05:13
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matthewwell im trying to compile xchat-2.4005:15
matthewand i get this05:15
matthewchecking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no05:15
matthew*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...05:15
matthew*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the05:15
matthew*** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.05:15
matthewconfigure: error: "Cannot find glib"05:15
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scotthmathew, sudo apt-get build-dep xchat05:15
matthewi want xchat 2.40 not 2.08 witch is what ubuntu has05:15
WW_scotth: Well, that's a new error.  I tried playing the DVD that at least started before, but didn't have sound, and an error message popped up: The Application "totem" has quit unexpectedly.  You can inform the developers...05:16
scotthare you compiling xchat from virgin sources or from debian experimental sources?05:16
scotthhmmm05:16
scotthWW_, tail ~/.xsession-errors05:17
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WW_scotth: What should I look for there?05:18
WW_scotth: The last two lines are05:18
scotthWW_, totem barfing all over itself05:18
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WW_Exiting... (Exit)05:18
WW_looking for type: got application/msword05:18
MaisAnyone know how i can mount a usb thumb drive in ubuntu?>05:18
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jdubstick it in the usb port :)05:19
WW_scotth: There is stuff before that, but nothing that looks like barf.05:19
Maisdoesnt appear to be that easy05:19
scotthWW_, try starting totem from the command line, also totem has never been all that stable for me... I perfer gxine05:19
WW_scotth: This is probably a question that can't be answered easily (if at all), but has there been anything updated in the last few days that would have messed with this?05:20
RuffianSoldierMoo05:20
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scotthWW_, I just installed ubuntu 4 hours ago, in fact my backup restore process just completed... Im a debian refugee... 05:21
WW_scotth: I started totem from the command and got the same error, but nothing was printed on the console.05:21
baHamdoes anybody know how to get "trash" "home" and stuff like that icons on the desktop ?05:21
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scotthWW_, I would personally break out gdb... but thats just me05:21
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Maisof course it would probably help if that port was hooked up !! aiiie05:22
WW_scotth: That's a LOT deeper than I want to go!05:22
SkifI have a friend who just put ubuntu on his laptop, and it isn't recognizing the orinoco PCMCIA card he just inserted.  He's tried manually modprobe()ing orinoco_cs, and it still isn't finding it.  Suggestions?05:22
scotthWW_, figured, I dunno... let me see if I can find a dvd05:22
Skif(he's sitting next to me at the moment, so I can relay questions)05:22
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WW_scotth: Go for it, but I predict it will work perfectly for you. :)05:23
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phinanyone know how to install the hostap drivers?05:23
scotthWW_, so far thats all ubuntu has done05:23
phinim trying to get them to work with no luck05:23
phindo i need to compile my own kernel or something?05:23
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scotthphin, you need kernel-headers05:24
scotthor maybe linux-headers...05:24
baHamdoes anybody have05:24
baHamicons 05:25
baHamllike home and trash05:25
baHamon the desktop ?05:25
phinand that should do it scotth?05:25
jdubbaHam: no.05:25
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baHamjdub, there is no way or what?05:25
Dekkardi had one.. when i plugged in my usb mp3 player..05:25
phini heard using the hostap drivers work better then the orinico drivers for client05:25
speelhey in ubuntu where is the location of the header files usualy its in like /usr/src/linux/include05:25
phini would like to be able to do scanning and the such05:25
jdubbaHam: we've made it so icons don't appear on the desktop. you've got the computer menu and trash applet on the panel to replace them. this is much more useful.05:26
Skifany help with an orinoco that isn't showing up after insert?05:26
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Dethreadspeel, /usr/include/ I think05:26
Dethreadspeel, /usr/include/linux that is05:27
baHamjdub, so, there is NO way to get them ON the desktop ?05:27
jdubbaHam: if, for some reason, you can't evolve yourself out of the icons-on-the-desktop mess05:28
jdubbaHam: you can change some settings in gconf to bring back the special icons (computer, trash, home, etc)05:28
jdubunder /apps/nautilus05:28
jdubbut i recommend using it as-is for a while, it's great05:28
speeldamn i cant get my webcam driver to make05:28
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scotthphin, maybe, just installed ubuntu05:29
WW_Back to a basic question: should putting a DVD into the CD/DVD drive cause a file browser to pop up?05:30
scotthWW_, I don't think so, does it have data on it or just movie?05:30
WW_scotth: As far as I know, just a move. 05:30
WW_scotth: But I know nothing about the actual format of these things.05:30
scotthWW_, probably a bug05:31
WW_I also get an icon on the desktop.  I know unbuntu is supposed to do that for data cds.05:31
speelyea it does05:31
WW_speel: You talking to me?  (... he says with his best DeNiro imitation...)05:32
speellol , yea05:32
WW_speel: So you put in a DVD, and a browser pops up?05:33
speeli put in a data cd and a icon comes on my desktop05:33
smoWW_: I get the same, despite my setting in gnome-volume-manager05:33
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WW_speel: Ah.  What about a DVD (assuming you have one handy, and the drive is a DVD drive)05:34
speelsorry no dvd drive ;(05:34
DethreadI have a CD-RW/DVD drive05:34
Dethreadlet's see what happens if I pop in a DVD...05:34
WW_Dethread: That's what I have.05:34
smoI'm curious if it's related to the difference in iso/ufs filesystems .. the DVD I'm trying with uses an iso format05:34
speelhey any ubuntu team members in here?05:35
RuffianSoldierKDE Works with Ubuntu right?05:35
Dethreadpopped up a file browser05:35
WW_smo: Don't know about that... the only DVDs I have here are movies.05:35
DethreadRuffianSoldier, it's not supported05:35
RuffianSoldierso it ownt owrk05:35
smoWW_: This one is also a movie .. but some use UFS, some use ISO .. this is "Being John Molkovich" on an ISO-formatted disk05:36
DethreadRuffianSoldier, well, it might...it's just not officially supported05:36
speelaw no ubuntu team members in here?05:36
smoWW_: Which gnome recognises as a data volume, rather than a dvd05:36
DethreadRuffianSoldier, don't like Gnome 2.8 ? :)05:37
RuffianSoldierI lvoe it05:37
RuffianSoldierbut i also love KDE05:37
RuffianSoldierhell, i love anything Linux/BSD/UNIX/05:37
WW_smo: Well, when I try opening the disc with totem-xine, it brings up a file selection window, and it looks like the disc does have files in it.05:37
Sn0wmanthe live CD kicks ass!  (I just tested it)05:37
RuffianSoldierYA!05:37
RuffianSoldierDAMN SMALL LINUX!05:37
WW_Uh, Ruff...05:38
RuffianSoldierwhat?05:38
WW_This is the Ubunut channel!05:38
WW_oops, Ubuntu05:38
RuffianSoldierSUSE ALL THE WAY!05:38
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smoWW_: Ditto, I get a file selector  (and yes, this is a "real" DVD, not a copy :o)05:38
RuffianSoldierLibranet RULES!05:38
WW_smo: Can you get the movie to play?05:38
WW_smo: All the DVD that I have are "real", too.05:39
smoWW_: in xine, yes .. in totem-xine, I get a real mess if I try to open any of the .vob files in VIDEO_TS05:39
Zindardo you have libdvdcss2 installed?05:39
Zindaryou shouldn't open the .vob-files directly05:40
scotthWW_, totem blows, Im going to package gxine for ubuntu05:40
smoZindar: Yes, and the same disks work perfectly in mplayer & xine05:40
smoand the "Open Disk" dialog doesn't seem to offer any alternative to openning the files themselves05:40
speelany one play lgeneral?05:40
phinscotth: so i install linux-kernel-headers and the hostap stuff and i should be ready to compile it?05:41
Zindarsmo: run "totem dvd://"05:41
WW_smo: Well, it's comforting to know that I'm not the only one...05:41
smoZindar: That appears to work05:41
scotthphin, maybe, I know how to do it under debian... Im new to ubuntu... try... if it gives an error then tell me and Ill try to help05:42
phindo you know of a page with help for debian, most things like that work the same.05:42
scotthphin, /usr/share/doc/ on debian systems is what I always used05:43
phinok05:44
phinthanks05:44
phinwish me luck :)05:44
speelhow do you get to fonts://05:44
phinyou use hostap for clients?05:44
smospeel: ctrl-L in any nautilus window will get you an address entry where you can feed it that05:44
Zindarspeel: alt-f2 type fonts://05:45
Zindaror ctrl-l in nautilus05:45
speelty05:45
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alka_trashI'm thinking that they should go with the gartoon icon theme05:47
phingartoon is nice05:47
RuffianSoldierwine rules05:47
alka_trashI like beer too05:48
alka_trash:)05:48
RuffianSoldierLOL!05:48
alka_trashwhat are you running with wine05:48
speelwinehq sucks when it comes to games05:48
WW_Zindar, smo: Running totem dvd:// plays the video (that's progress), but there is no sound.05:49
alka_trashtrue, unless you want to play harts05:49
phincedega rocks :)05:49
speelhearts... lol05:49
alka_trashhe he05:49
smoWW_: I have sound just fine.  I'm using alsa rather than esd if that helps05:49
speeli would like to play some CS or UT05:49
alka_trashUT has native binaries. right?05:50
WW_smo: Dumb question, but... How can I check which one I'm using?05:50
DespairYep. UT2004 even ships with linux bins on the CDs.05:51
speelyea actually i think they do05:51
alka_trashdoes anyone else use beep-media-player05:51
smoWW_: Good question :o)  "pidof esd" returns nothing for me, as I don't have esound's daemon running05:51
alka_trashspeel: it would run faster with the binaries05:51
speelyea05:52
WW_smo: Earlier scotth ask me to run pgrep esd; I assume that looks for "esd" in the list of processes. So I guess I am not using esd.05:52
phinalka: i use it05:52
alka_trashphin: are you using the bmp-wma plug?05:53
phinno05:53
phini dont like wma05:53
phinlol05:53
speelughhhh when i tryed to install firefox 1.0 with there isntaller they have i got this error ... fatal error [-618]  couldejnt open xpistub library any ideas???05:53
phinim just running it all vanilla05:53
adam_hey guys, where should I post this? http://www.rit.edu/~ask1725/ubuntu_Evo_N800c/05:54
alka_trashphin: I agree with, but I have some music that in that format. The thing is my system is so nice that I don't want to download lib to compile. I guess that'll just have to suck up and compile them myself :(05:54
phinshouldnt be to hard05:54
wolf2945adam, any idea why nvidia-settings gives me a seg fault?05:55
phindoes ubuntu use kernel tree pcmcia modules, or pcmcia-cs05:55
phin?05:55
adam_Nope05:56
adam_sorry05:56
Zindarpcmcia-cs is long dead if I remember correctly...05:59
moyogowow... flumotion just came out05:59
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RuffianSoldieri love evolution06:03
RuffianSoldierits wine time06:03
Se7ho.006:04
phinzindar: looks like it uses pcmcia-cs06:04
phinits installed atleast06:04
WW_fun fun fun... so I'm trying gxine, and it's setup wizard tells me there is not /dev/dvd symbolic link, but in fact there is.06:04
speelwhere are the ubuntu team developerrrrrsss?06:05
WW_speel: Probably busy finishing the official release06:05
speelthey dont love us :(06:05
danielsspeel: dunno, we can't really support installing firefox with their installer06:05
danielstry googling around, if that doesn't help, no idea, sorry06:05
danielssticking with 0.9.3 is a better option though, because the 1.0 stuff is very, very buggy06:06
danielse.g. crashing when something tries to pop up a JavaScript window06:06
speelhmm intresting thaught06:06
WW_I think someone out there has a little clay and straw model of my DVD player, and they are sticking pins into it.06:06
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freakabcdwoah..06:06
freakabcddo they actually send out the cds?06:07
freakabcdanyone can tell me they have received cds outside of the US and Canada ?06:07
danielsfreakabcd: you mean with shipit.ubuntulinux.org?06:07
freakabcdyeah06:07
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danielsfreakabcd: the CDs haven't yet been pressed and sent, given we haven't got a final image out06:07
freakabcdoh, okies when it gets done, they will send it to me?06:07
xskoulaxWW_: i hate you :- i was just forced to choose between spraying tea on my laptop or swallowing it and choking, i decided choking was cheaper ;)06:08
danielsfreakabcd: if you registered on shipit, most certainly06:08
WW_xksoulax: Sorry...06:08
freakabcdok, i just registered. thats why i wanted to know06:08
speelthats pretty impressive06:09
Lathiatis 50 a bit excessive? :), maybe is hould get more, got the local LUG and stuff to bling them too06:09
speelhas any other distro done that?06:09
Lathiatnot afaik06:09
Lathiatyou can get them at like conferences and stuf sometimes, but not mailed afaik06:09
speelpretty sweet :P ubuntu got the hook up lol06:09
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xskoulaxspeaking of the cds, i'm assuming its either the live cd or the install cd you can get mailed but not both06:10
freakabcdxskoulax, huh? the shipit doesn;t ask which ones i want!06:11
Lathiatafaik you just get the install cd....06:11
WW_AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!  I had to run gxine as root (probably the permissions aren't right on the /dev/dvd link), and it played the DVD!  For about 10 seconds!  AND THEN IT SEG FAULTED!!!!06:12
WW_I hate computers.06:12
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xskoulaxfreakabcd: i haven't actually signed up to get a cd yet so i was speculating06:14
speelah what do i do Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m 06:14
xskoulaxi thought that the live cd might have been distributed that way too06:14
speelhelp06:15
speellol06:15
freakabcdi wouldn;t mind getting an 'official' live cd as well :)06:15
jdubxskoulax: you get both06:16
jdubxskoulax: for i386, at least.06:16
freakabcdjdub, ?06:16
xskoulaxok ubuntu just gets better and better06:16
freakabcdso you means if i ask for 10 i386 discs, i get 10 installcds + 10 live cds ?06:17
jdubyes06:18
jdubin a little packet06:18
jdubwhich has install on one side live cd on the other06:18
jdub10 packets06:18
freakabcdwonderful + sweet06:18
freakabcdany idea when they will start shipping?06:18
freakabcdcan't wait to get my hands on the official disc :)06:19
jdubearly november06:19
freakabcdah, soon my preciousss06:19
freakabcd:)06:19
punkasswhy in gedit does Open file in show Network "bookmarks" but Save As does not ?06:19
speeldosen't 0.9.3 fire fox pose a security threat?06:20
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coventryWhat is the merit of Ubuntu over, say, Debian?06:20
xskoulaxjdub: the powerpc cds are install disks correct06:20
jdubyeah06:21
xskoulaxcoventry: It just works ;)06:21
jdubamd64 and powerpc are just install06:21
WW_OK, so mplayer only gives me a tiny display, totem-xine has no sound, and gxine segfaults.  What are the chance of vlc working?06:21
xskoulaxshould get my dad a ppc set then06:21
mdzcoventry: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/06:21
coventryOh, sort of like knoppix?  Yeah, I just found the "debian and ubuntu page" on that site.06:22
mdzcoventry: we do have a live CD like knoppix, but Ubuntu is more commonly installed like a normal distribution06:22
coventryI see.  Thanks.06:23
xskoulaxcoventry: look at it as a easy to install debian desktop os on a 6 month release cycle, thats my impression anyhoo06:25
punkassok i am trying to edit a file via a samba share with edit06:25
punkasson the server the file is read/writable by everyone but when i open it in gedit it is ReadOnly06:25
xskoulaxcoventry: oh yea forgot to mention the community has been great the 2 and a bit days i've been sitting here06:26
xskoulaxi don't know how the debian community is, but ubuntu thus far is top-notch06:26
RuffianSoldieryes06:27
WW_Unbelievable... nobody make any sudden moves... I think vlc is working.06:27
RuffianSoldierdoes warty live have Gnome 2.8?06:27
xskoulaxRuffianSoldier: i would imagine so06:28
RuffianSoldier26  Ubuntu  159<06:29
RuffianSoldierUbuntu scored 26 on distro watch06:29
RuffianSoldierthats damn good06:29
jdubRuffianSoldier: the livecd is exactly the same as the installed version06:29
RuffianSoldierkool06:29
Lathiatone step closer to world domination06:29
RuffianSoldierLOL06:30
RuffianSoldierAnyone here tried Libranet06:30
RuffianSoldieri came from Libranet, its great06:30
WW_RuffianSoldier: Yup (but maybe you knew that)06:30
RuffianSoldierI did WW_06:30
WW_Later... I'm _finally_ going to watch this darn movie (but by now, I'll probably fall asleep in the middle of it).06:31
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RuffianSoldierhehe06:32
aitrusthat's pretty funny that Libranet claims to be "the top linux distro" when they are running really old stuff06:33
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punkassif i use the "connect to server" is there any other way to veiw those folders, or is it just some virtual directory?06:39
punkassits just over a samba share06:42
aitrusyou can use smbmount if you install it06:42
punkassyeah...but the connect to server is just nice to use...06:42
punkassfor example bluefish's Open dialog box does not include the network 'bookmarks'  so i am wondering if there is another way to get at them with out having to smbmount etc06:44
jdubhttp://www.geekindenial.com/blog/archives/2004/10/switching_back.html06:44
punkasslol06:45
RuffianSoldierdamn, i need the Ubuntu Logo06:45
punkassits in the wiki06:46
punkassunder Artwork06:46
punkassa nice big SVG06:46
RuffianSoldierhuh06:46
punkassu want the Ubuntu Logo?06:46
RuffianSoldieryes06:47
RuffianSoldierjust hte little symbol06:47
punkasshttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork06:47
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toyowheelinhey all06:47
toyowheelinis there a package for java?06:48
toyowheelinlike JRE06:48
RuffianSoldierkool06:48
RuffianSoldierthanks punkass06:48
punkassnp06:49
RuffianSoldierTHATS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED! YAY!06:50
moyogotoyowheelin: isn't there one in multiverse?06:50
toyowheelin???06:50
phinhostap drivers a pita!06:50
phinlol06:50
toyowheelinI dont know I just have universe never heard of multiverse06:50
moyogomaybe multiverse is not complete yet06:51
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moyogoit might be in your apt sources list later on06:52
toyowheelinoh06:53
toyowheelinI was gonna use the one off the java site but I doubt it works on 64bit06:55
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RuffianSoldierLOL!06:56
phintoy: it should06:56
phinits just emulated06:56
toyowheelinI will try and see06:57
phinin 32bit more06:57
phinany 32bit should work06:57
phineven with a 64bit kernel06:57
phini have yet to hear problems06:57
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toyowheelinphin, 32bit flash will not run on 64bit06:57
phinreally?06:58
phinweird06:58
toyowheelinso I have no flash capabilities06:58
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Hmmmmm_people, is warty finally out?06:58
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__danielgoooood morning!07:01
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humbertoyeverinohello folks07:02
Hmmmmm_people, is warty finally out?07:02
humbertoyeverinonopw07:03
humbertoyeverino!07:03
Hmmmmm_humbertoyeverino, but isnt today the release day?07:04
humbertoyeverinoI just reloaded the page... It says release candidate.07:05
phindude07:05
phinits only 1am07:05
phingive it some time07:05
humbertoyeverinohope they fix the parted bug. I couldn't install the RC07:05
Hmmmmm_o i forgot the time dif07:05
Hmmmmm_im in india07:05
phinthey took our jorbs!07:06
xskoulaxmorning __daniel 07:07
__danielhai xskoulax :-)07:07
aitrusthe email the email oh oh the email!07:07
Hmmmmm_and how about all the atrocious things u did to the world?07:07
xskoulaxHmmmmm_: define u07:08
__danieloh... what's this discussion gonna be?07:09
humbertoyeverinoHmmmmm: Are you going to undercut us there too? 07:09
humbertoyeverinokidding07:09
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Hmmmmm_xskoulax, well first ask phin to define "they"07:10
phinim kidding07:10
toyowheelinaitrus, needs to watch out for TROGDOR!!!07:10
phingeez07:10
aitrussworded!07:10
phinTROGDOR WAS A MAN07:10
phinNO07:10
phinHE WAS A DRAGON MAN07:11
toyowheelinMSGd'07:11
aitruswith his caps lock key stuck....07:11
phinOR MAYBE HE WAS JUST, A DRAGON07:11
phinlol07:11
toyowheelinaitrus, got msgd'07:11
punkassphin: that is a funny bit07:11
phinyes it is :)07:12
phinok got hostap compiling07:12
phinHOPEFULLY07:12
phinit works this time07:12
phinlol07:12
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jayeolaphin: use *'s to highlight stuff, like *this*07:12
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jayeolaor _this_07:13
jayeolacaps are hard to read07:13
phinright o07:13
phinbrb07:13
phingonna test these drivers out07:13
phinwish me luck!07:13
jayeolaupdating all packages from 1st install - taking approx 40min ;/07:14
jayeolagonna install source code, gcc and all stuff required for compiling source code07:15
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jayeolaany uk users here?07:16
jayeola<--- considering buying an ipod (or something similar)07:16
ubergooberLove my iPod07:19
jayeolawork with linux ok?07:19
jayeolaany hacks?07:19
ubergooberI don't use it with linux... I've got a powerbook07:19
jayeolak07:19
bob2_there's a few tools in universe to work with them07:19
jayeola;)07:20
Se7hchecking for gcc... no07:20
Se7hchecking for cc... no07:20
Se7h:|07:20
bob2_but it should mount as a regular disk07:20
bob2_Se7h: install build-essential07:20
bob2_Se7h: (it's in the FAQ)07:20
jayeolagood!07:20
ZindarSe7h: apt-get install build-essential07:20
Zindarahh07:20
Zindarbob was quicker07:20
bob2_always :P07:20
Se7hoh is it? sorry then07:20
jayeolashame the mini-disk can't be mounted. i love it but it uses the atrac file system07:20
bob2_yeah...07:21
jayeolai've tried but u can't upload to a minidisc via usb07:21
jayeolabugger!07:21
bob2_sony once made data minidisc drives, but they were deliberately incompatible with music ones07:21
bob2_there are some netmd tools, but none of them support direct uploading (or downloading)07:21
ubergooberI have a NetMD stashed somewhere..07:21
jayeolai've even read the patents for atract - very complicared07:21
jayeolau need to know about sound and digital signals07:22
jayeolaand know them very well07:22
jayeolaplus even the patents say that the encryption is very complicated07:22
jayeolathat's the only reason i'd ever use windoze07:22
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Despairpatents always claim wondrous things about encryption. then it turns out to be a rot13 variant.07:23
jayeolabut if i get a pod.....07:23
ubergoobercan't wrap the dlls?07:23
jayeolart13?07:23
Se7hwhere is libnet?07:23
Se7hi've installed it07:23
Se7hbut it seems this isn't finding it07:23
Se7hchecking for libnet_build_ip in -lnet... no07:23
bob2_do you mean libnet1?07:23
bob2_what are you compiling?07:24
jayeolai'm prepared to give hacking the md a go, but i'd need to have loads of tricks up me sleeve07:24
__danielSe7h, look at    ./configure --help    - maybe you have to point it somewhere07:24
Se7hhmm07:24
bob2_jayeola: some very smart people have tried and failed...07:24
__danielyou also have a libnet*-dev installed?07:25
bob2_jayeola: they did get almost everything else working, tho, so you can use your conmputer to tell your MD to record from linein, at least07:25
ubergooberThey should just open it up, Minidiscs aren't going anywhere...07:25
Despairjayeola: a lot of companies used to use incredibly simple "security" that was incredibly vulnerable to brute force analysis.07:25
__danielSe7h: you also have a libnet*-dev installed?07:25
Se7hno07:25
bob2_Se7h: what are you building?07:25
__danielSe7h, well, it's what you need, when you're going to compile anything07:25
Se7hbob2_ is that relevant ?07:26
bob2_Se7h: er, of course?07:26
meffi just am starting to play with ubuntu, im a long time debian user.. i have a question about universe, how often are pkgs updated in universe? i know its unsupported, i am just curious07:26
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__danielmeff, wait after the release of warty :-)07:27
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xskoulaxmeff: what are your impressions so far?07:28
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jayeolaDespair: if i knew the basics. i would give it a try. but i'd need to start on the right footing07:28
meffi've only used it for a few minutes on another box, and i am dl'ing the iso right now on this one..07:28
meffso, can't say yet ;)07:28
jayeolaDespair: i've read loads. and i know that some l33ts have tried and failed.07:29
xskoulaxmeff: thats a fair valuation ;)07:29
SmokingFireI just found this site: Its nice to see whats available on gnome: http://freshmeat.net/browse/58/07:29
jayeolabut i'd give it a try of i knew the steps to take.....07:29
bob2_jayeola: "l33ts" don't acheive anything07:29
xskoulaxs/evaluation/valuation07:29
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whiprushanyone try thom's NetworkManager packages?07:29
bob2_jayeola: to reverse engineer the usb netmd stream would take a very smart hacker.07:29
SuitsixXhello07:29
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meffi can't find on the homepage a package listing for each area... is there anything like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?07:29
jayeolaDespair: oh yeah?07:30
punkassSmokingFire: you know about gnomefiles.com right?07:30
xskoulaxhello SuitsixX 07:30
ubergooberjayeola: do a search on USB sniffer07:30
jayeolaDespair: and you say that l33ts don't achive anything...07:30
SmokingFirepunkass: I do but this one has interesting files.07:30
jayeolathanks will do Despair 07:30
punkassah ok07:30
SmokingFirepunkass: I think they have the same, but you know on freshmeat, I can see apps I didn't know I needed.07:31
jayeolathanks also ubergoober 07:31
punkasshehe07:31
jayeolabut what makes you say that l33ts don't achive anything?07:31
__danielmeff, didnt find one yet07:31
SuitsixXim a total linux noob just looking for a good first distro07:32
__danielSuitsixX, ubuntu *rocks*07:32
bob2_SuitsixX: ubuntu is a pretty good choice then.07:32
SuitsixXa friend at work recomended mandrake but i was looking around and found ubuntu07:32
meffok i have a few questions i can't figure out by the homepage... are there pkgs in restricted for the nvidia module? also, are there any 2.4 kernel packages?07:32
bob2_jayeola: if you mean "l33t" as in "script kiddy moron", then, no, they very rarely acheieve anything useful or find out anything new.07:32
xskoulaxmandrake is considered a good noob distro, ubuntu *IS* a good noob distro07:33
bob2_meff: yes, and only in universe.07:33
bob2_meff: 2.4 is not supported.07:33
__danielbob2_, isnt it in restricted?07:33
xskoulaxmeff http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto has install instructions for nvidia and ati drivers07:34
SuitsixXi have one question im more of a figure it out myself person but hows harware support as far as newer stuff in ubuntu07:34
jayeolabob2_: aha. thanks. i always thought (erroneously) that l33t meant elite07:34
bob2_meff: er, the bit after the comma was refering to 2.4 kernels :)07:34
meffjayeola: l33t = elite idiot :)07:34
bob2_jayeola: "elite" is only used jokingly in linux-land.07:34
jayeola;)07:34
__danieljayeola, REAL elite guys won't call themselves anything07:34
bob2_SuitsixX: most should work...07:35
SuitsixXim getting sick and tired of windows sucking so bad07:35
jayeolathanks. all know is clear - i am happy to be a noob07:35
xskoulaxSuitsixX: hardware on my box seems perfect thus far only been running it 2 days mind you07:35
SuitsixXim getting an a64 in like 2 days07:35
xskoulaxnot exactly the newest machine around though parts purchased in 2001-200307:35
SuitsixXand ubuntu is 64 bit correct?07:35
jayeola<sings>say it loud - 'i'm a noob and i'm proud'</sings>07:35
xskoulaxmmmmmmmm a6407:35
ubergooberyep07:35
SuitsixXyeah 3000+07:35
SuitsixXso id be golden07:36
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SuitsixXhaha07:36
SuitsixXyeah ive had my 2500+ barton for like since the core came out07:36
SuitsixXmakes me sad how fast the price went down07:36
xskoulaxrunning a smoking hot amd tbird 1.4ghz from right before they started the + numbering scheme07:37
SuitsixXyeah that was what i ran before my barton07:37
SuitsixXthing still cooks07:37
xskoulaxcooks with ubuntu, its alright with xp07:38
SuitsixXmy other box is a 1.4 tbird with a gig of mem07:38
xskoulaxubuntu is blazingly responsive07:38
xskoulaxthats on a 1.4 with 51207:38
SuitsixXso as far as system recource usage its a pretty light load?07:38
bob2_it's gnome07:39
xskoulaxi couldn't quote numbers on load, but i'm impressed with the speed07:39
bob2_it's not that light, but if you have a amd64 you won't care07:39
SuitsixXyeah07:39
SuitsixXprobably much better that xp pro07:40
SuitsixXweak os07:40
SuitsixXrather run 200007:40
xskoulaxfaster than my xp pro it seems07:40
meffok the faq says use marillat for mplayer and such, i'm using these sources for debian unstable at the moment, do they work without a hitch on ubuntu?07:40
bob2_they work fine.07:40
xskoulax2000 was nice xp seems to handle games better for me07:40
bob2_use the testing line, tho07:40
SuitsixXone thing thats held me back from linux for all these years is im a gamer and im not sure if my games will run right with wine of whatever other win emus there are07:41
SuitsixXor*07:41
meffheh, i dont play games so thats not a problem for me07:41
meff;)07:41
xskoulaxdepends on the game, but there is always the dual boot option07:42
SuitsixXyeah true07:42
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xskoulaxif your only using windows for gaming you can have a light windows install too so the registry hell should be less ;)07:42
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SuitsixXyeah xps reg is total garbage07:42
SuitsixXi uninstalled norton and installed avg free edition and i gained 1800 3d marks in 03 and lost 14 viruses :)07:43
SuitsixXnorton sucks so bad07:44
SuitsixXwhat av's do you guys use?07:44
__danielunder linux, none :-)07:44
meffav?07:44
bob2_hahaha07:44
meffoh anti virus07:44
SuitsixXanti virus07:44
__danielbut on my mailserver i use clamscan07:44
SmokingFireon win I use mcafee which I get for free from my ISP.07:44
__danielclamav via amavis07:44
ZindarI've never seen the need for one07:44
SuitsixXwell i got 14 somehow with norton installed07:45
khronicpostfix+amavis+clamav+spamassasin yum07:45
__danielkhronic, you name it! ;-)07:45
SuitsixXbut i do visit a lot of questionable websites07:45
__danielkhronic, and cyrus21-imap behind it :-)07:45
jayeolahurrah! update and dist-upgrade complete!07:46
__danielSuitsixX, i always thought freeav.de was a nice one07:46
khroniccourier here :P07:46
jayeolaavg is good for doze07:46
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Nop_CatHi :)07:47
punkassyeah i use avg when running ms07:47
SuitsixXyeah ive been looking at kaspersky07:47
__danielkhronic, i had an old install with exim3 and exiscan *shudder* which just didnt't work after a reinstall (it took me days to get it running) and postfix just made it work in less than 2 hours ;-)07:47
bob2khronic: hm, I set it all up but for some reason amavis won't add SA headers07:47
Nop_CatCould you tell me basically what's the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian ?07:47
SuitsixXits polish and gets ab 100 awards like every test/os07:47
bob2Nop_Cat: debian sid, frozen, stabilised and released every 6 months07:48
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meffsomeone please tell me ubuntu does not use console.perms and crap like rh/fedora and it uses the debian-style add-to-group method.. hehe07:48
Zindarand sane defaults, gnome,sudo, locked root07:48
Zindarmeff: like debian07:48
meffthanks!07:49
meffwhoo07:49
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SuitsixXso ubuntu is more gui based that fedora?07:49
bob2define "gui-based"07:49
SuitsixXcause i type kinda slow07:49
jayeola;/07:49
bob2it doesn't have as many gui tools as fedora07:49
Nop_CatOh thx :)07:49
meffgod, you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to get fedora running with 2 simultaneous x sessions up :O07:49
SuitsixXnot as much as windows but not as much needing to use a console07:49
jayeolathe doze "shell" is pants07:50
Nop_Catbob2: A bit like Mepis, but applied to sid instead of sarge ?07:50
bob2Nop_Cat: no, it's a proper linux distribution.07:50
Nop_Catbob2: Mmm k. I'll try it :) sounds cool07:51
SuitsixXbut im sure once i switch over to linux ill get faster typing so no big deal07:51
xskoulaxSuitsixX: i think if you're serious about trying linux as an os except when gaming, ubuntu would be a very good place to start.07:51
SuitsixXthats what im thinking07:52
Nop_CatThx, have fun :)07:52
meffim just excited to see something debian-based with current security patches and a nice release cycle!07:52
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xskoulaxi've used suse, radhat, and slackware in my time, not all that well but so far ubuntu beats the pants off them except maybe slack07:52
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SuitsixXalright07:53
__danielxskoulax, the thing i love about debian and ubuntu is: i didnt reinstall my desktop for 4 years ;-)07:53
SuitsixXill keep that in mind07:53
SuitsixXno shit?07:53
SuitsixX4 years07:53
__danielyes :-)07:53
SuitsixXi reinstall xp pro like every month07:53
__danieli just upgraded packages07:53
SuitsixXpain in my ass07:54
xskoulax__daniel: i tried debian once couldn't get it to install after 3 trys at it so thats when i found slack07:54
__danielxskoulax, maybe bad isos?07:54
SuitsixXso 4.10 is the newest version?07:54
meff"Each driver needs to be available for kernel 2.6, since we will only support a bare-bones 2.4 as a fallback for conservative server-oriented users (as discussed on the mailing list already)." .. so is there a 2.4 pkg or not? :)07:54
__danielSuitsixX, it's not released yet, will be today(?)07:54
xskoulaxno isos were good, just didn't like the combination of my hardware and me07:55
__danielxskoulax, oh, i see :-)07:55
SuitsixXits 4.10 on the ubuntu site07:55
bob2meff: as I said, yes.07:55
bob2meff: but they're not supported07:55
SuitsixXwarty warthog realease07:55
xskoulaxSuitsixX: thats a pre-release07:55
SuitsixXahh07:55
xskoulaxthe real deal is releasing today07:55
__danielmeff: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 | wc -l    ->  18  :-)07:56
glar00ktoday? cool ... so hoary should be developed soon :)07:56
__danielglar00k, :-)))07:56
mefftoday? bah.. then i guess i'm intentionally coastering this rc cd i just burned later lol07:56
xskoulaxbut if you dl that one, it should be a simple case of apt-get dist upgrade *i think* to get it to automagically upgrade you07:56
bob2meff: it will not change much in the next few hours07:57
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xskoulaxits that nice apt-get update that lets people like __daniel not reinstall in 4 years07:57
__danielxskoulax, better use synaptic, there you have more influence than on dist-upgrade :-)07:57
SuitsixXso should i wait a day or 2 to dl the iso?07:58
doogiereinstall?  I've never heard that word.  what does it mean?07:58
meffbob2: i'm assuming it wont matter much cause right after i install im gonna apt-get upgrade the system :)07:58
bob2SuitsixX: it's really not going to change much in the next 24 hours07:58
SuitsixXcause i dont have my a63 its on a truck still07:58
bob2meff: yeah, exactly07:58
SuitsixX64*07:58
bob2SuitsixX: and you can trivially upgrade what does change'07:58
SuitsixXok07:58
xskoulax__daniel: i'd use synaptic anyways, i'm a noob remember07:59
SuitsixXso you just dl small update files07:59
xskoulaxi've used several flavors, but not at all advanced07:59
SuitsixXor medium07:59
__danielxskoulax, cool :-)07:59
SuitsixXhow big are updates usually?07:59
SuitsixXyeah im a total noob to linux07:59
bob2SuitsixX: it depends...apt just downloads new packages as they appear (When you ask it to)07:59
__danielSuitsixX, depends: if there's an openoffice-update it alone gives 60 or 70 mb08:00
SuitsixXso no automatic shat08:00
SuitsixXgood08:00
bob2SuitsixX: it's been a couple of hundred megs a week at the moment, but after the release, I'd be surprised if it was 100MB/year08:00
SuitsixXi want it to dl when i say so08:00
xskoulaxi think you could make it automatic if you wanted08:00
SuitsixXi dont08:00
doogieapt-get dist-upgrade -dy in a cron08:00
__danielbob2, it will be 100mb/year08:00
__danielbob2, more than that08:00
doogiethat just does the download08:00
bob2__daniel: for security fixes?08:01
__danieldoogie, what is it good for?08:01
SuitsixXalright and then you run the update manually08:01
doogieso you don't have to wait for the download to finish.08:01
__danielbob2, ok, security fixes... hmmm well the kernel-images might give more, too :-)08:01
bob2__daniel: it downloads them, then you can run it without -d and have them start installing instantly08:01
bob2__daniel: hah, good point08:01
xskoulaxwell look at that i almost got the cli version of the dist-upgrade right, just omitted that lil dash theres hope for me yet :D08:02
__danieldoogie, my inet connection is fast enough and I'm multitasking-enabled too :-)08:02
SuitsixXmy isp sucks my line is capable of 8 megs but they have me capped at 208:02
SuitsixXand im even paying for 308:03
SuitsixXi need to bitch08:03
xskoulaxyea you do08:03
doogiethe dsl connection at the warehouse where we are putting on a halloween party gets 1mB(megabyte)/s08:03
meffbob2: after 4.10 is released, is there going to be any repository similar to testing on debian that tracks newer packages for those of us on desktops that want the newest stuff?08:03
doogienot bit, but byte08:03
bob2meff: yes.08:04
bob2meff: the next release (hoary) will open up as a sid-style branch08:04
SuitsixXnice doggie08:04
meffbob2: sweet.08:04
SuitsixXwell thats like 8 mbit08:04
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Dethreadah, I see apt-get finds a new ubuntu-artwork. anyone know details about this? still naked people?08:04
SuitsixXmy line could do that if my isp wasnt jewish08:05
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bob2SuitsixX: I doubt your ISP has a religion at all, and that, if it did, that it would affect your download speeds.08:05
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__danielsuitsixx, sounds like religious superstition to me 08:06
__danielDethread, no, plain default theme08:06
Dethreadwell, better than that other one, thx :)08:06
__danielDethread, i miss those guys on the wallpaper already08:07
DethreadI wasn't using the wallpaper....but the gdm splashscreen was quite annoying08:07
xskoulax__daniel: its still there in the desktop background options isn't it08:08
__danieli miss the guys on the splashscreen too08:08
__danielxskoulax, hm, can't find it08:08
SuitsixXi wish theyd uncap my modem08:08
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=== xskoulax crys at no more softcore in the distribution ;)
SuitsixXwhen i had cable i could have uncapped it myself but it resets every 24 hours, my friends bro worked for the cable company08:09
xskoulaxSuitsixX: why did you switch?08:09
SuitsixXbut my ping was shitty on cable here must be at a bad location08:09
meffdoes ubuntu use pppoeconf like debian?08:10
__danielxskoulax, you guys get something wrong: this wasnt about soft or core, this was about "human-ness" - just reread marks mail08:10
SuitsixXping issues08:10
DethreadI don't want human-ness on my splash screen08:10
SuitsixXmy dsl dropped my ping 3008:10
SuitsixXon average08:10
xskoulax__daniel: i was refering to the comments from certain quaters ;)08:10
SuitsixXand i flux like 2 on the q3 servers i play on08:10
__danielmeff, think so, my router still runs debian08:10
__danielxskoulax, i see08:10
SuitsixXi think ill do a ubuntu win 2000 pro dual boot for gaming08:11
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SuitsixXubuntu will support ntfs right?08:11
SuitsixXor just fat3208:11
__danielSuitsixX, just reading08:11
__danielSuitsixX, fat32 does fine08:11
xskoulaxSuitsixX: it can read ntfs drives08:12
xskoulaxdunno about write08:12
SuitsixXwell i have no prob with fat3208:12
__danielxskoulax, ntfs write is still DANGEROUS08:12
Dethreadcan't write I think08:12
__danielxskoulax, it says so in the kernel menuconfig :-)08:12
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xskoulaxwasn't sure if that had be figured yet08:12
SuitsixXits so cool that linux is open source08:12
bob2you can use captive-ntfs, but you're on your own there.08:13
SuitsixXms is a horrible monopoly08:13
SuitsixXwith inferion products08:13
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SuitsixXim like a root for the underdog guy but im a gamer so ive stuck with indows08:13
xskoulaxwell once i'm more at home in linux i'll be reducing the ntfs partition till its only good for games08:13
LeeColletonIs there a way to install ubuntu on a system that doesn't have a monitor?08:14
xskoulaxSuitsixX: quake and ut will run on liunx08:14
SuitsixXi wish 3dfx wa still around to show ati and nvidia whats up08:14
calcSuitsixX: i switched to xbox instead ;)08:14
xskoulaxcalc: ahhhh not another ms product08:14
xskoulaxheh08:14
LeeColletonlinux will run on xbox08:15
calcheh 3dfx was stuck in 16bit which killed them08:15
xskoulaxgood point08:15
calceveryone else was at 32bit already08:15
SuitsixXyeah xbox is a p3 70008:15
SuitsixXwith a gf308:15
SuitsixXbasicly08:15
SuitsixXmdofied slightly i suppose08:15
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SuitsixXyeah but when nvidia bought out 3dfx's stuff they came out with the gf308:16
SuitsixXwhich was based on what 3dfx was working on08:17
DespairSuitsixX: trimmed down gf4, really. less fillrate, but strong GPU programmability.08:17
SuitsixXgf4 wasnt much of a step up from gf308:17
DespairSuitsixX: not really. 3dfx had bought gigapixel, and Nvidia wanted that. 3dfx's own stuff had dead-ended.08:17
xskoulaxbrb i'm going to switch computers so i can blow this xp install on my fxa53 away08:17
SuitsixXoh08:17
SuitsixXmy mistake08:17
SuitsixXbut still vodoo 5 spanked gf208:18
SuitsixXjust too damn expensive08:18
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Despairdepended heavily on the use. v5 had fillrate, gf2 had hardware transform and lighting. gf2 won for newer games, and freed up cpu for other uses.08:19
Despairand this is awfully offtopic, heh08:19
SuitsixXyeah08:19
SuitsixXso anyway ubuntu is a great distro so ive come to find out08:20
xskoulaxa ubuntu-chat channel might be nice08:20
SuitsixXtry #ubuntu08:20
SuitsixXive heard thats where ppl chat about it08:20
defendguinlol08:21
SuitsixXi tend to go off topic08:21
xskoulaxwell i think this is supposed to be for support, but you do seem to have a vaild point08:21
xskoulaxnot your fault, there's just no chat channel08:21
SuitsixXim more knowledgable on the building side of comps as well as graphic desing08:22
SuitsixXnot as much technical stuff08:22
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SuitsixXdesign08:22
Android16hello08:22
SuitsixXhey08:22
xskoulaxhi Android16 08:23
Android16does Ubuntu not come with nmap ?08:23
__danielhai Android1608:23
SuitsixXaww man wheres savage and his bot08:23
__danielAndroid16, yes08:23
SuitsixXso annoying08:23
bob2Android16: it's indeed in ubuntu08:23
Android16any alternative ?08:23
__danielAndroid16, yes it comes with nmap08:23
SuitsixXon etg #oh08:23
__danielAndroid16, read your question wrong08:23
Android16k08:24
Android16dont find it in the packages08:24
LeeColletonSo is there a way to do a headless or automatic install of ubuntu?08:24
bob2Android16: it is there.08:24
bob2LeeColleton: FAI.08:24
bob2LeeColleton: a better solution is planned for hoary.08:24
__danielAndroid16, apt-get update; apt-cache search nmap08:25
bob2it's in the "nmap" package.08:25
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SuitsixXwhats up with the power pc iso?08:25
mdzSuitsixX: it's a string of bits which, when written to a CD, can be used to boot the Ubuntu installer on a powerpc system08:25
defendguinlol08:26
SuitsixXoh thanks08:26
SuitsixX280k sec on uk server not ba08:26
SuitsixXd08:26
Android16thats weird , nothing found08:26
bob2Android16: it's in the nmap package.  you have to install it.08:27
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Android16would it be on the cd then08:27
SuitsixXi just need the iso right what about the other files?08:27
bob2quite possibly.08:27
__danielSuitsixX, you had a powerpc?08:27
bob2SuitsixX: if you have a ppc machine, all you need is the .iso.08:27
SuitsixXno im getting amd6408:28
SuitsixXcause its gonna be on my a6408:28
ubergooberAnyone try that on a G5?08:28
__danielah... right08:28
SuitsixXso do i need the template, list jigdo?08:28
__danieljust get the .iso and you're alright08:29
SuitsixXcool ty08:29
SuitsixX10% half hour to go08:29
mdzubergoober: yes08:29
LeeColletondoes the boot disk have a console on any serial ports?08:29
SuitsixXand like 2 days to wait for my parts08:29
LeeColletons/boot/installation08:29
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SuitsixXi wonder if ill have any probs with drivers08:33
SuitsixXanyone run an a64 with ubuntu?08:33
SuitsixXas far as onboard nic08:33
SuitsixXsound etc08:33
calcSuitsixX: yes i have an amd64 laptop running on ubuntu08:34
SuitsixXcool08:34
SuitsixXand ati has linux drivers so im set08:35
calcthe only thing that doesn't work is of course the pos broadcom wifi08:35
calcSuitsixX: not 3d accel for amd6408:35
SuitsixXwhat?08:35
meffati doesn't know how to write drivers imo :P08:36
SuitsixXyeah i noticed08:36
xskoulaxwell i guess that screws up the gaming somewhat08:36
calcSuitsixX: as far as I know they have yet to release any 64bit drivers for linux08:36
bob2depends on the chipset.08:36
SuitsixXso my cards gonna be crippled?08:36
bob2if it has free drivers, you're fine.08:36
bob2SuitsixX: no08:36
calcSuitsixX: it will be ok as long as it is 9200 or below08:36
xskoulaxSuitsixX: for linux nvidia is the better choice08:36
DespairDRI's working on R300+ support, but it's very experimental, since they are working without any docs.08:36
bob2xskoulax: only on intel.08:36
=== calc gags on nvidia
SuitsixXi already have a 980008:36
calcbob2: well nvidia even has amd64 drivers as well08:37
SuitsixXyeah i noticed08:37
bob2calc: not ppc.08:37
SuitsixXfor chipset drivers i checked08:37
calcbob2: ah ok08:37
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calcyea both ati and nvidia suck, ati used to not suck so much, but is morphing into nvidia08:37
xskoulaxcalc: i guess that broadcom wifi is an airport extreme if your running ppc08:38
calcxskoulax: yes the same chipset08:38
SuitsixXnvidea even has drivers for beta win6408:38
calcaiui all the broadcom wifi use the same driver08:38
bob2yeah08:38
calcSuitsixX: so does ati08:38
bob2which broadcom has linux drivers for08:38
bob2but will not release08:39
SuitsixXgayed08:39
calcbroadcom has released a binary only mips linux driver08:39
xskoulaxcalc: the people at broadcom should be taken out and flogged08:39
calcwell indirectly08:39
bob2heh, to linksys at least08:39
calcbut mips is useful for about nothing (except linksys routers)08:39
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SuitsixXati doesnt have 64 bit linux display drivers08:39
calcbob2: yes linksys has released them on their site08:39
bob2heh, my mips doesn't even have a pci slot08:39
homeashi.  is there an easy way to get java on my ubuntu, or is that "difficult" ?08:39
bob2calc: ah, right08:39
bob2homeas: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats08:40
homeasto be fair, I don't consider java "humanity unto others" so I won't be overly disappointed08:40
xskoulaxSuitsixX: on the 3d driver issue, if your gaming on windows it shouldn't really be an issue08:40
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xskoulaxstill would be nice to get it going08:41
SuitsixXyeah08:41
SuitsixXcause i could still play most games in wine08:41
SuitsixXand whatever wont work i just reboot to my win partition08:41
SuitsixX46%08:42
xskoulaxSuitsixX: there is always that barton you have08:42
SuitsixXyeah but then id have a a64 with no vid card08:42
SuitsixXor ram hdd's etc08:43
xskoulaxoh your reusing the gpu08:43
SuitsixXi sold my 560008:43
SuitsixXto my friend who was using a gf208:43
xskoulaxthat sinks that idea08:43
SuitsixXyep08:43
SuitsixXdamn ati08:43
xskoulaxahh SuitsixX is the benevolent upgrader08:43
SuitsixXill just have to save up for a 6800gt08:44
SuitsixXthat should be oh like 6 months08:44
bob2erm08:44
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bob2you could get an ati9200 for like $2008:44
bob2or an old nvidia.08:44
xskoulaxbob2: that wouldn't help him too much on his windows gaming08:45
SuitsixXyeah but why would i want to use my a64 with a downgraded gpu?08:45
Despairor wait a month and get a 6600GT or 6200.08:45
bob2under linux, it doesn't matter jack08:45
SuitsixX6600gt = pcix08:45
bob2your GPU sits around doing nothing unless you're playing games08:45
Despairnote that a GF4 Ti4200 thrashes a Radeon 9800 Pro in linux.08:45
SuitsixXdrivers probably08:45
Despairbob2: or doing work in GL.08:46
danielsit's all highly subjective.08:46
bob2Despair: well, yeah08:46
SuitsixXi like nvidia better but i got my 9800 for so cheap08:46
DespairSuitsixX: 6600GT = AGP too, soon.08:46
SuitsixXcool08:46
SuitsixXi dont know why they do that08:46
Despairso they don't prevent old boards from clearing the channels.08:47
SuitsixXmid range pcix and high end agp08:47
xskoulaxi'm half tempted to steal the geforce3 ti200 i gave my brother08:47
SuitsixXi had a ti50008:47
SuitsixXburnt up08:47
SuitsixXfan died while my friend was using it in his rig08:47
=== calc won't buy a card with a fan anymore
Despaircalc: if you don't need strong 3d performance, that's a really, really good idea.08:48
calcDespair: 9600 isn't too bad and is fanless08:48
SuitsixXi agree its less to break08:48
xskoulaxless to break and less noise08:48
danielscalc: some 9600s have fans.08:48
meffhmm im testing ubuntu in vmware so i know what to expect... it never asked me what pw to give to root.. huh?08:48
SuitsixXthe pros xts and a few strait up 9600's08:49
calcdaniels: regular 9600's or the pro/xt's ?08:49
homeasbob2, thanks, will check !08:49
calci haven't noticed any regular 9600 with fans, but there may be some out there08:49
SuitsixXtheres a couple08:49
calcthe best nvidia fanless is the 5200 (ugh)08:49
TheMusomeff: That is because the user account you create during the install access all admin commands with sudo08:49
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Despaircalc: manufacturers could make fanless 6200 & 6600 from what I've heard.08:50
danielscalc: some regular 9600s have fans.08:50
Despairand there's always water cooling. (drip drip...)08:50
TheMusoondrej: Yes I believe so.08:51
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SuitsixXso shitty the one thing holding be back from using ubuntu is ati not writing drivers for linux a6408:51
SuitsixXor using linux in general08:51
SuitsixXwell 08:51
TreenaksDespair: what about putting the computer in the other room, and only the monitor/kb/mouse on your desk?08:51
DespairSuitsixX: DRI is working on it. And ATI's actually hired at least 1 new linux coder in the last few months. So things may change. Eventually.08:51
SuitsixXill still hook up a dual boot08:51
xskoulaxSuitsixX: the card should work just not accelerated yet, but there is windows for games.08:52
calcati should just fucking release their docs under nda to dri team08:52
SuitsixXyeah thats what ill do08:52
Despaircalc: part of the problem is the docs they have released are pretty useless.08:52
xskoulaxcalc: that would require some people to pull their heads out of their collective asses08:53
=== xskoulax dosn't see that happening soon
DespairI don't see how graphics companies can function, if they can't document what they're designing...08:53
calcDespair: from what i had read they didn't release anything for r300+08:53
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Despaircalc: the stuff they released for r200 is pretty marginal and very incomplete.08:53
danielsDespair: they have documented what they're designing.08:53
danielsDespair: incorrect.  there are complete copies of r2xx register references and programmers' references.08:54
Despairdaniels: and those have major inaccuracies.08:54
danielsDespair: there have been many revisions since.08:54
SuitsixXcopanies need to write mor stuff compatible with linux08:55
=== daniels notes that, if docs were released under NDA, they probably wouldn't be widely announced.
SuitsixXi think thats what holds most ppl back08:55
SmokingFireYeah and the Amiga!08:55
danielsWitness, for example, the i915 stuff, where the first real sign of it was a large tarball.08:55
Despairdaniels: last I heard, DRI wasn't given large chunks relating to HyperZ and a couple other major hardware features.08:55
SuitsixXhell yeah08:55
SuitsixXfuck it ill just buy a mac08:56
SuitsixXhaha08:56
xskoulaxamiga that brings back some memories08:56
SuitsixXjk08:56
xskoulaxfound my zool shirt yesterday08:56
calcSuitsixX: that won't run linux well either since there are no ppc drivers for wifi or video08:56
bob2apple hardware is pretty cool08:56
bob2calc: depends, my 9200 works great08:56
bob2but wifi is a big missing feature08:56
calcbob2: oh was referring to their higher end stuff08:56
SuitsixXyeah but the ppl who typically use macs......08:56
bob2ah.08:56
bob2hey, *I* use a mac08:57
SuitsixXwell i said typically08:57
=== calc didn't realize they still used 9200 in any of their boxes
SuitsixXi have a friend who uses a mac08:57
bob2calc: ibook g4.08:57
xskoulaxbob2:  the typical user of macs is changing i would say08:57
Despairdaniels: it is neat to see some of the smaller players submitting code, at least. :)08:57
bob2half the mac users I know use linux on them.08:57
SuitsixXyeah new school mac users tend to be teen girls and thier rich mommies and daddies08:58
=== calc wonders when linux passed mac on the desktop
xskoulaxso it depends on your reference point, macos7 or mac OSX08:58
bob2calc: earlier this year, iirc08:58
xskoulaxmmmm teen girls08:58
calcbob2: ah08:58
SuitsixXthe mac users i encounter at work are like does this work with a mac?08:58
calcbob2: yea i was looking at the stats of a non-tech site i help admin and linux was about 50% higher hit rate08:58
SuitsixXand its a fucking router08:58
xskoulaxbob2: u use osx or linux on your mac?08:58
bob2xskoulax: ubunutu.08:59
xskoulaxjust chekcing08:59
calcof course on my personal site linux beats win/mac by a large margin, but its not exactly normal08:59
SuitsixXwhats your mac?08:59
SuitsixXg4 g5?08:59
xskoulaxit would make sence you would know a high % of linux on mac users then08:59
bob2SuitsixX: ibook g4.08:59
SuitsixXnice08:59
SuitsixXthats what my friend has08:59
SuitsixXhe uses it for graphic design09:00
SuitsixXand cakewalk09:00
xskoulaxif i can get a job before retirement i'm thinking about an ibook to replace my vaio fxa5309:00
SuitsixXif i ever bought a mac it would be a power book09:00
bob2xskoulax: downsides of an ibook, are one mouse button, no suspend-to-ram and no working internal wireless09:01
SuitsixXor ibook rahter09:01
xskoulaxmy dad has a powerbook, very nice machine only complaint is the palmrest gets hot09:01
xskoulaxmetal case keeps the internals nice and cool by being a huge heatsink, but makes for sweaty palms when typing a bunch09:02
SuitsixXno i meant power book09:02
SuitsixXnot i book09:02
bob2ah09:02
SuitsixXyeah well i type with like 4 fingers09:02
SuitsixXand dont rest my hands09:02
SuitsixXso not a prob09:02
SmokingFireI type with all eleven09:02
xskoulaxi think my dads prob is that he added a 1gb stick of mem, that prolly adds quite a bit to the heat09:03
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SuitsixXum power mac g5 dual 2.5 with 512 ram and 128mb 9800 for 3000 dollars09:04
xskoulaxwhat about display09:04
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SuitsixX1.25 ghz fsb09:05
SuitsixXnot bad09:05
xskoulaxapple has damn fine products, if only they wern't quite as pricy09:06
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SuitsixXyeah and the os is TOO user friendly09:07
SuitsixXbut odd i dont know it09:07
SuitsixXhmmm09:07
jayeolama'c products look so good09:08
jayeolaipod, book, even the d/tops09:08
SuitsixXi agree on that i want a power mac case for my pc09:08
jayeola?09:08
bob2why don't you just get a powermac?09:08
xskoulaxfrom what i've used of osx its nice, resource hungry compaired to a linux install on the same hardware09:08
SuitsixXi just want the case09:08
SuitsixXi bet a mac with ubuntu runs nice09:09
calcthey just released a new low end powermac that isn't too expensive09:09
bob2SuitsixX: it does indeed.09:09
xskoulaxi'm looking at the new imac09:09
bob2even the imacs are g5 now09:09
xskoulaxmmmmm sexy computer goodness09:09
SuitsixXi was just checking it out09:09
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Treenaksbob2: Now all we need is expos for Gnome :)09:10
SuitsixXdually 2.5 w/ 1.25 fsb09:10
SuitsixXnow thats a fsb09:10
calcwow the new ibooks have pretty good specs now09:10
SuitsixXpfff 80009:10
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calcstill a bit on the slow side though09:10
xskoulaxTreenaks: isn't there a project looking at that09:10
xskoulaxor sumpthing like it09:10
calcSuitsixX: amd64 has 2.0 fsb ;)09:10
bob2Treenaks: expocity patches metacity to include it09:10
SuitsixXmaximum pc did a pc power mac show down09:10
Treenaksbob2: Let's first patch metacity to work with sloppy focus..09:11
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SuitsixXdually optron vs g5 dually 2.5's09:11
SuitsixXi think the optos were 1.8s09:11
bob2Treenaks: hm, works for me09:11
SuitsixXmac beat pc in content creation but pc owned in everything else09:11
Treenaksbob2: there's no way to say "don't focus new windows", for starters09:12
xskoulaxone thing those reviews bug me on is they never seem to cover time lost to the os09:12
SuitsixXyeah09:12
xskoulaxlike if windows bluescreens and stuff09:12
Treenaksbob2: I've had to change passwords twice already because someone IMed me while typing my password..09:12
SuitsixXi bet if the mac has linux on it it probably would have pulled ahead in other apps09:12
bob2Treenaks: ah09:12
calcSuitsixX: why didn't they use optos 2.4's a bit more of a fair comparison?09:12
xskoulaxTreenaks: haha09:12
SuitsixXcause it was a while back09:13
Treenaksxskoulax: it's not /that/ funny really09:13
calcSuitsixX: opterons have been above 1.8 for a _long_ time09:13
calc1.8 is equal to an athlon64 3000+09:14
SuitsixXmaybe the mac was slower i dont remember09:14
SuitsixXi was like 6 months ago i think09:14
SuitsixXmaybe dual 2's09:14
SuitsixXcant remember and dont have the issue anymore09:14
SuitsixXoh well09:15
calcok09:15
=== calc thinks mags just like to slant things ;)
SuitsixXits common knowledge that macs beat pcs in graphics apps anyway09:15
xskoulaxTreenaks: it's a problem no doubt, but you said it such that it seemed nothing bad actually came of it09:15
bob2haha common knowledge.09:15
Treenaksxskoulax: I'm pretty quick with changing passwords ;)09:15
SuitsixXwell 09:15
xskoulaxTreenaks: good pratice so long as you remember them09:15
SuitsixXcommon to ppl who know09:15
calcSuitsixX: i haven't seen any non-biased benchmarks asserting that09:15
__danielhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, here's something completely wrong... there's nothing being written into /var/log/syslog anymore09:15
calcand no the ones on apple.com are not unbiased ;)09:16
Treenaks__daniel: maybe syslog died?09:16
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SuitsixXmost professional designer i know use macs for web/photoshop stuff09:16
Elw0odhi all09:16
SuitsixXhello09:16
xskoulaxi which they had boxen with osx when i went to school, i would have not wasted so much time dissing macs09:16
kaptainkaffeinehello friends09:16
calcSuitsixX: there are other non-speed related reasons for that though09:17
__danielTreenaks, that's strange - syslogd never died before09:17
=== calc goes back to reading stuff
Elw0odI've been able09:17
Elw0odto log in as root and execute "startx" without a problem. When I try to09:17
Elw0odlog in as a normal user, I get "mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission09:17
Elw0oddenied" in ~/.xsession-errors. I can't find any information on mkdtemp,09:17
Elw0odor on which directory or socket the permission needs to be changed, and09:17
Elw0odhow. Can anyone help me with this problem?09:17
Treenaks__daniel: maybe the disk is full?09:17
SuitsixXi dont diss macs just the majority of mac users who get them cause theyre pretty and use them for aol only09:17
bob2Elw0od: please dont' paste in here09:17
xskoulaxppc seems to do way better on battery life though09:17
Elw0odsorry09:17
xskoulaxso for a lappy apple gets my money next09:17
calcbut the price issue does fall away at the high end, getting an equivalent speed dual processor x86 or amd64 will cost nearly the same09:17
bob2SuitsixX: you seem to make a lot of generalisations.09:17
xskoulaxcalc: true09:17
calcsince opteron and xeon are damn expensive09:18
SuitsixXhey im just going off experience09:18
__danielTreenaks, no 09:18
Treenaksmost Mac users know more about their computers than PC users do about their PCs, is my experience (and I used to work at an ISP..)09:18
bob2Elw0od: can you paste the output of "mount" to #flood?09:18
xskoulaxcalc: same is true with the laptops somewhat, so long as you don't buy ram from apple09:18
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SuitsixXmost mac users ive met are either complete idiots or know thier shit09:18
MithrandirTreenaks: most macs are way more standardized than PCs.09:18
calcxskoulax: well the ibooks are still quite a bit slower than pc laptops09:18
SuitsixXmajority are idiots 09:19
Elw0odbob2, it isn't a mount...is my gdm login results...09:19
calcxskoulax: i got a athlon64 3000+ a year ago that is still faster than current ibook released today but cost less (even 10 months ago)09:19
xskoulaxcalc: i'm kool with that for the increase in battery life09:19
kaptainkaffeinedoes anyone know why gnome isn't starting on a new install? I fixed X, but can't get the wm to run.09:19
bob2hm, I only get 3.3 hours on my ibook09:19
TreenaksMithrandir: still... tell a Mac person to 09:19
calci get about 2-2.5hr on my amd4 laptop09:19
xskoulaxmy dads powerbook even with 1gb extra ram thrown in will beat the pants of my 1300+ amd lappy09:19
TreenaksMithrandir: "Open the network configuration" and he/she'll know what to do.09:19
calcxskoulax: it probably should a 1300+ is quite slow (and old)09:20
TreenaksMithrandir: ask a PC/Windows person and they go "Huh? Don't talk techtalk to me!"09:20
xskoulaxi was speaking battery09:20
xskoulaxsorry i didn't make that clear09:20
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SuitsixXis there a #harware?09:21
__danielSuitsixX, try  it :-)09:21
Treenaksisn't today Official Gold Master Day ?09:21
MithrandirTreenaks: ok, if you say so. :)09:21
SuitsixXhell yes09:21
SuitsixXis freenode mostly tech chans?09:22
TreenaksSuitsixX: afaik, yes09:22
SuitsixXholy shit 1958 channels oh my09:23
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__danielwell, seems to be a majority of tech chans, yes :-)09:23
SuitsixXdude im in catowners where you at09:23
__danielhehe :-)09:24
__danielSuitsixX, i'm in #dogowners :-)09:24
SuitsixXno your not09:24
SuitsixXim there09:24
SuitsixXi like my etg wfa channels cause i always get ops09:26
SuitsixXand when i leave a chan i can kick myself09:26
bob2"etg"? "wfa"?09:26
SuitsixXetg=enter the game09:26
SuitsixXwfa=weapons factory arena09:26
SuitsixXwfa is a mod (dead mod) for q309:27
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SuitsixXi was in several clans09:27
__danielbeing in gaming clans always seemed a bit "playing 'father, mother and child'" to me :-)09:28
__danielbut maybe i'm just jealous :-)09:29
__danielno, i'm not :-)09:29
__danielanyone tried jdub's bluetooth packages?09:29
jdubi have09:32
jdubthey suck09:32
jdubthat jdub guy is a n00b09:32
__danielhehe :-)09:32
__danieljdub, i used edd's packages in debian and they worked well09:32
jdubsame packages ;)09:32
__danielyes?09:32
__danielhmmmmmmmmmmm09:32
jdubthey'll go into hoary when it opens, too09:32
whiprushanyone try thom's NetworkManager packages yet?09:32
jordithat jdub dude needs to fix howl!!!109:33
calcjdub: shaddup n00b1e09:33
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jdubjordi: wassup with howl atm?09:33
bob2someone should fix all oskuro's packages, too09:33
calcso how is hoary coming along, should i upgrade to it now? ;)09:33
jdubit hasn't started yet09:34
whiprushso when hoary opens are the build machines just gonna start cranking out universe also?09:34
calcwarty is released later today right?09:34
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jordijdub: won't build in sparc & arm iirc09:34
jordibob2: my pkgs rock dude!09:35
jordirthat's why I now NMU everyone else09:35
bob2hahaha09:35
jordi(don't look at my buglist, mkay :)09:35
homeasdidn't you guys have a buildbot running somewhere ?09:35
bob2homeas: buildd's, yes.09:35
Treenaksbuildbot.. that sounds like some kind of transformer..09:36
homeasah, that's something else then ?09:36
homeasdamn, I wanted to steal some ideas :)09:36
__danieldamn, i didn't look at the time.... *grmbl*09:37
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jdubjordi: ooh, i can test it on sparc :)09:38
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jdubwhiprush: yeah, it'll take less than a week to build current debian sid ;)09:39
whiprushnice.09:39
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jdubhomeas: we have a buildbot running for other things09:39
homeasjdub, publically visible ?09:39
jdubnot atm09:39
Treenaksooh.. a s3kr1t buildd09:40
whiprushi'd love to see an inotify kernel + beagle in hoary. the latest stuff they're working on looks awesome.09:40
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bob2Treenaks: they just keep rebuilding the CIA bot09:40
Treenaksbob2: no, it's the other way around.. the CIA bots build ubuntu09:41
dynQ: where can i registrate for the website?09:42
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Treenaksdyn: you mean the wiki?09:42
xskoulaxor to get cds delivered maybe?09:43
dynTreenaks: no, i mean http://ubuntulinux.org/09:43
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dyni see "You are not logged in" in the top right corner09:43
dyni assume i could registrate then and log in somehow 09:43
dynbut a failed login doesn't mention where to registrate09:43
xskoulaxdyn i understand english isn't your first language, its register ;)09:44
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dynxskoulax: umm, k.. thanks ;)09:45
Meridiandyn and the english :) lol09:45
dynmorning, Meridian :)09:45
xskoulaxhey his english is way better than my hungarian09:45
xskoulax;D09:45
dyn:P09:45
Treenaksxskoulax: so is mine 8)09:45
dyni wouldn't suggest jumping into learning hungarian, EVER09:45
Meridiancso dyn :)09:45
dyneven japenese would be lighter on your brain ;)09:46
xskoulaxi should take the time to learn russian actually since the people i hang out with here are from the ukraine and russia09:47
dynrussian aint too hard - we've been learning it for years in elementary school09:47
Despairjordi: hi! :)09:47
xskoulaxin that case zdrasti, dyn09:47
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Meridiandyn i found the best morning slogen for you : pipe dyn :)09:48
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dynMeridian: dont expect native speakers getting a even a light chance to understand .hu jokes ;)09:48
Meridianehh....away09:49
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SuitsixXoff to bed thanks for the help09:58
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neuro_mmm, ubuntu-artwork 0.2.14-1 ...10:03
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s7smirak_, Allright! I installed 'XMMS' to play my mp3?s and it works perfect. I also installed another program called 'VLC'. 'VLC', plays almost all of my video-files from window$ 'mpeg', 'quictime', 'real'(i think) and mp3?s as well. Just so you know :)  10:04
s7smirak_, Got 'VLC' from synaptic.10:05
neuro_ze humans are gone from gdm-login10:05
opi^workmorning10:05
neuro_thought that would happen10:05
opi^works7s: get MPlayer/GXine ;)10:05
s7sopi^work, why?10:06
opi^works7s: MPlayer is the God of Video Players in Linux world10:06
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Treenaksopi^work: uh, no, it isn't.. it just plays a lot of formats10:06
Treenaksopi^work: the interface is evil10:06
s7sopi^work, where can i get it from?10:07
opi^workTreenaks: you can compile it with GUI (I have never use it, I like the interface;-)10:07
Treenaksopi^work: the gui is worse10:07
septeracorei like the interface of mplayer :)10:07
opi^works7s: http://www.mplayerhq.hu10:07
Treenaksopi^work: and the cli version is too verbose10:07
TreenaksI want the verbosity of mpg123/ogg123 in mplayer10:07
opi^workget sourcecode, remove all those unusable printf()'s and recomiple :)10:08
opi^workIm almost sure (don't have MPlayer at work) that there is --quiet option10:08
s7sopi^work, ok :)10:09
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s7sopi^work, Could you please give me a direct link to 'MPlayer'? Dunno what to get :)10:15
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__danieltotem rocks :-)10:17
s7s__daniel, hmmm...10:17
opi^works7s: if you're using Ubuntu/Debian, you could use .deb package10:17
Treenaksopi^work: there is a --quiet option, but I _do_ want the "counter" line10:17
NgTreenaks: there's a -really-quiet too :)10:18
TreenaksNg: yes, but that's _too_ quiet! :)10:18
s7sopi^work, What/where is .deb package10:18
Nghehe10:18
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opi^works7s: deb package is binary package ready to install on Debian/Ubuntu10:19
neuro_s7s: install it from multiverse10:19
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opi^works7s: it's what make Debian/Ubuntu ultranice :)10:19
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__danielahhhhh, i have my nude friends back again as wallpaper :-)10:19
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s7sopi^work, multiverse?10:20
s7sI normally use Synaptic to install new packages, but it couldn?t find Mplayer ;(10:21
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__daniels7s, you have multiverse in the package sources?10:21
ondrejthom: sorry... I must be blind today :-)...10:21
bob2dyn: you can't yet, it will be announced soon10:21
ondrejI just recently bought Asus wireless router and want to buy some good cheap wifi pcmcia card for my g'friend linux machine running ubuntu 4.10.  any tips what to buy and what to avoid?10:22
dynbob2: okay i just wondered what's the login link for then 10:22
septeracores7s: go preferences->repositories and add multiverse to the section(s) entry of deb and deb-src10:22
bob2dyn: to login :-)10:22
septeracorethen you should be able to find mplayer with synaptic10:22
SmokingFireSo when will firefox be fixed to use its local theme or the window managers theme for buttons and gadgets.10:22
dynbob2: grr ;)10:22
s7ssepteracore, Thanks :)10:23
s7s__daniel, ?10:23
TreenaksSmokingFire: hoary ;)10:23
Ngdoh10:23
__danielsepteracore, already told you10:23
SmokingFireTreenaks: they will fix that? Really?10:23
s7spk10:23
s7sok10:24
TreenaksSmokingFire: who knows :) but most questions of "when" are "hoary" atm10:24
SmokingFireok like longhorn on windows10:24
SmokingFireEverything will be fine in the next version, now just move along.10:24
TreenaksSmokingFire: no, it's just that warty is in deep deep freeze10:25
SmokingFireCan we get some stats from the ubuntu people about how many users/downloads they thing they have?10:25
bob2it's so frozen it's releasing in the next 20 hours.10:26
Ngit's so frozen they made the isos already ;)10:26
SmokingFireTreenaks: I know but I just reckoned that small cosmetic changes in applications are not really done.10:26
SmokingFireIts so frozen it makes the north pole look warm.10:26
bob2firefox already uses the gtk theme for buttons.10:27
bborkkWhat's the general opinion of the Nautulis file manager and where is the option to open new folders in the same window?10:27
SmokingFirebob2: talking about html forms/buttons10:27
__danielbborkk, use the middle button of the mouse :-)10:27
bob2SmokingFire: why bother?10:27
SmokingFirebborkk: edit-preferences browser mode10:27
bob2SmokingFire: CSS can change theme anyway10:28
Ngbborkk: mmm, the new nautilus is llllurvely ;)10:28
bborkk__daniel: Good to know, thanks.10:28
Ngthat's what my opinion of it is, anyway ;)10:28
__danielbborkk, de rien10:28
SmokingFirebob2: Just to make things more intergrated call it the finishing touch.10:28
septeracorei got no opinion of nautilus. hardly using it. i'm used to the shell :)10:28
SmokingFiresepteracore: well its always nice to have options10:29
bborkkSmokingFire: I don't see that option there... only the option to open in browse mode.10:29
SmokingFirebborkk: let me see10:30
SmokingFirebborkk: edit --> preferences and then the tab behaviour.10:30
s7ssepteracore, Hmmm...still can?t find it.10:31
SmokingFirebborkk: choose: always open in browser window. 10:31
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septeracores7s: did you refresh the list?10:31
bborkkSmokingFire: Yeah, that's what I saw, but is there an option to not use browser mode?  Not that I would want that, but just curious.10:31
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SmokingFirebborkk: shortcut would be Computer --> Desktop Preferences --> Filemanagment10:32
SmokingFirebborkk: you want what you have now, just not opening in new windows?10:32
SmokingFirebborkk: If so, I wouldn't know10:32
bborkkSmokingFire: I prefer the browser mode, but I'm also wondering if the normal mode can be made to not open new windows.10:33
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s7ssepteracore, Allright! Thanks :)10:33
SmokingFiredo what the other person told middle click, else I don't know, perhaps a gconf option10:33
septeracorenp10:33
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bob2it was gconf option10:33
bborkkThanks.10:34
bob2in 2.6.1 or so it got a preference box10:34
bborkkpunkass: Around?  How goes the pyfi?10:34
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s7sWhen i try to connect to a radio-station in 'Rhythmbox', it freezes. What could be the problem?10:37
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bob2s7s: it's a known bug10:37
bob2that only affects some people, sometimes.10:38
terozhi there gutz10:38
terozsp - guyz10:38
s7sbob2, can it bee fixed?10:38
whiprushbborkk: shift click or double middle click10:38
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terozhey has anybody experienced a problem working with ipchains10:41
bob2don't use ipchains10:41
Despairiptables!10:41
terozokay as they both do the same thing sort of10:42
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bob2except ipchains isn't supported by anyone10:42
bob2and hasn't been since like 1903.10:42
bob2use iptables.10:42
terozokay i see - thanx bob10:43
terozwill give it a go10:43
__daniel1903 *snigger*10:43
SmokingFireyep in 1903 the net was also much better, non of those hooligans that you got now.10:43
terozyou know :)10:43
bob2except we had to carry packets, uphill, both ways, in the snow10:43
__daniel*LOL*10:44
xskoulaxhah10:44
SmokingFireI remember that we had radiotube computers.10:44
__danielbob2, we had pigeons doing the job10:44
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Ngthis is wandering dangerously close to becoming a Python skit ;)10:44
JanneMI find most things in life are dangerously close these days10:45
SmokingFireYou know, we actually had the pigeon ranking that google uses.10:45
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__danielJanneM, what do you mean?10:45
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JanneM__daniel: nothing really. just that I find a lot of things in society, politics and so on to be almost parodies of themselves today.10:47
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spikebhowdy folks10:47
JanneM__daniel: offtopic, really, so ignore10:47
bob2hey seb10:47
__danielJanneM, it sounded interesting :-)10:47
__danielmore interesting than the hardware discussions before ;-)10:48
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Ngwhere should I report a bug in a multiverse package?10:48
JanneMweather's picking up10:49
xskoulax__daniel: you have a problem with our hardware discussions? ;)10:49
__danielxskoulax, after 10 minutes, yes i do :-)10:49
JanneMif you find bad societal observations to be more interestign than hardware, perhaps there's other channels that are more interesting? :)10:49
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__danielJanneM, #ubuntu is quite alright10:50
Ngxskoulax: an end. very very slowly ;)10:50
__danielwell guys, i'm off10:51
xskoulaxcya __daniel 10:51
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danieldogwalkbye everyone :-)10:51
xskoulaxNg: there is always one isn't there10:51
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Ngxskoulax: yes :)10:51
xskoulaxlooks like it was me in this case though :(10:51
NgI'll try harder then ;)10:51
togsI have a broken samba package, I can't remove it or do anything with it wih either synaptic or CLI10:53
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togshave submitted bug report - what can I do now? I can't do an upgrade until the broken package is removed10:54
bob2what did you do to it?10:54
togsI just upgradged the distro using default upgrade in synaptic10:55
Nghmm, I just tried to install ubuntu-calendar and it's conflicting with ubuntu-artwork over /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntu-calendar.png10:55
Ngnm10:56
spikebheh10:56
Ngupdated -artwork packages available :)10:56
togsupgrades have worked a couple times before though10:56
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togswhat's the next step, to remove a broken package or ignore it? I tried --purge, but that didn't work10:57
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bob2you can't just remove it, you need to fix it10:57
bob2paste the error to #flood10:58
tuxis the full release of warty out today ?10:58
bob2yes.10:58
tuxw00t10:58
tuxhaven't the site updated yet10:58
togsoky, one sec10:58
bob2it's not out yet.10:58
bob2it will be out, sometime today.10:58
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tuxcool10:59
togswhat command did you want me to paste output of?10:59
agenteohi, I've used sudo updatedb in ubuntu but I've got the following message: http://www.pastebin.com/11186810:59
bob2togs: "sudo dpkg --remove samba".10:59
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bob2agenteo: do you get that error when you run it again?11:00
spikebthat's just a warning - should only happen the first time you run updatedb11:00
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togspasted, bob211:01
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agenteoyes it was just a warning, thanks11:03
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Hmmmmm_warty out yet?11:03
Ngsoon11:03
spikebvery soon i'd imagine11:04
spikebsince it's coming along darn nicely11:04
Hmmmmm_Ng, isnt today the release day?11:04
z4k4ri4is it today?11:04
NgHmmmmm_: as far as I know, yes11:04
Ng"soon" as in "today sometime probably" :)11:04
Hmmmmm_been waiting for this quite a bit11:04
NgI imagine the topic here will be updated when it's released11:04
spikebhehehe11:04
spikebcool11:04
spikebHmmmmm_,  it's well worth the wait.11:05
Hmmmmm_i sure hope so, spikeb11:05
spikebi've been using the preview and rc for a while, i like it :)11:05
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Hmmmmm_spikeb, what difference hav u felt from the previous release?11:06
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Meridianwhere is in ubuntu the QTDIR ?11:09
aPoXAre you trying to compile the ATI drivers?11:10
spikebHmmmmm_, i was speaking of comparing to other distros, not earlier ubuntu releases :)11:10
TMiegelhi, does someone use Ubuntu on a Centrino-Dothan?11:10
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JanneMTMiegel: not yet. WIll in a week (I hope)11:10
TMiegelbecause currently i use gentoo on it, and the 2.6.8-kernel doesnt recognize the cpu correct11:11
Hmmmmm_ic11:11
JanneMwhat does it think it is?11:11
z4k4ri4has anyone experience a long grub loading?11:11
TMiegeland warthy ships with 2.6.8x or?11:11
JanneM2.6.811:11
Hmmmmm_i hope warty is using x.org11:11
JanneMsomething11:11
JanneMnope11:11
spikebarg11:12
JanneMXFree, with a bunch of backpoted patches11:12
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spikebno gaim.pc11:12
JanneMHoary will have x.org, though11:12
Hmmmmm_Hmm and when's is hoary expected?11:13
crimsunin 6 months.11:13
crimsunX.Org prelim packages may be available in 3 months for testing.11:13
Hmmmmm_well then i guess we'll just hav to do with warty11:14
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spikebHmmmmm_,  all the neat stuff in xorg isn't quite ready for real use anyway11:14
crimsunwell, they're well on their way to becoming mature.11:15
Hmmmmm_spikeb, ic11:15
Hmmmmm_right now im eager to get warty on my system11:15
Hmmmmm_im sick and tired of fc211:15
Hmmmmm_i just wish i can figure out how to back up my evolution mails11:16
JanneMjust copy the directory?11:16
Hmmmmm_/home/sukrit/.evoltuion?11:16
Treenaksuse IMAP ?11:16
tuxhaha :)11:16
crimsunis /home on a separate partition?11:16
spikebbah11:16
Hmmmmm_crimsun, yes11:16
Hmmmmm_i wana backup my data11:16
Hmmmmm_wipe of my previous /home11:17
spikebhow the hell am i supposed to compile guifications without a gaim pkgconfig entry11:17
crimsunthen leave /home be11:17
Hmmmmm_and do it all again11:17
Hmmmmm_crimsun, i wana do it fro mscratch11:17
topyliwell, the mail is in .evolution/mail/local11:17
crimsunsince when did gaim have a pkgconfig entry?11:17
Hmmmmm_i moved from mandrake to suse to fc1 to fc2 then to ubuntu using the same home11:17
Hmmmmm_its been intact for 3 years11:17
Hmmmmm_i need to clean things up a little11:17
JanneMwell, how do you usually make backups?11:18
Hmmmmm_thats the thing11:18
Hmmmmm_i dont11:18
Hmmmmm_ever back up11:18
Meridiani need qt-devel...is in ubuntu ?11:18
JanneMeeeeeeeeek11:18
Hmmmmm_[fingers crossed] 11:18
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Hmmmmm_i just wana burn my GBzzzzz of music and movies on DVDs11:19
crimsunMeridian: yes11:19
JanneMso burn the evolution dir as well11:19
crimsunlibqt3-dev: Candidate: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages11:19
Hmmmmm_JanneM, doesn seem to trust in the life filesystem... lol11:19
JanneMI've had enough bad experiences that once a day is barely trustworthy in my view11:20
Hmmmmm_JanneM, but can i just import it n warty? coz im moving from evolution 1.4.6 to 211:20
JanneMyes11:20
JanneMI went from 1.4 to 2 (on fc2) and evo2 found the old evo dir and imported everthing11:20
Hmmmmm_do i just dump the .evolution/ to my new /home in warty11:20
JanneMyep11:20
Hmmmmm_or do i hav to import the data?11:20
JanneMthen start evo211:21
JanneMit will find it on start11:21
Hmmmmm_ok11:22
JanneMjust make sure you copy it over before you start ev2 for the first time11:22
Hmmmmm_i hope it works11:22
Hmmmmm_coz my mails are my life11:22
spikebi have a question - i noticed that there's a bit in grub entry for the kernel about splash...what is that about?11:22
JanneMit did for me, and I have a huge, complicated mail structure11:22
JanneMno splash in warty11:22
Hmmmmm_ic11:22
Hmmmmm_well i hav trusted linux for long11:22
Hmmmmm_so there's no need to doubt it now11:22
JanneMHmmmmm_: correct to be sceptical11:22
spikebJanneM, then why is there a splash bit in the bootup commands?11:22
topyliHmmmmm_: in it fails, you can import the mbox files then. that'll work at least11:22
Hmmmmm_JanneM, did u also feel the speed difference in ubuntu compared to fc2?11:22
Hmmmmm_topyli, good thinking... thnx11:22
JanneMbut _please_ be a little sceptical about a small, delicate metal disk spinning very rapidly for years without rest11:22
Kamionspikeb: the only effect of that is to change init's output slightly11:22
spikebahhhh11:23
Kamionspikeb: we put it there when we thought we were going to do bootsplash for warty, and it wasn't worth reverting11:23
JanneMHmmmmm_: I haven't changed any existing computer yet, so no idea11:23
spikebheh11:23
Hmmmmm_ic11:23
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spikebKamion,  how come you guys decided not to do bootsplash for warty?11:23
spikebi almost typed water, heh11:23
Hmmmmm_btw where will warty's release get announced?11:23
Hmmmmm_ubuntulinux.org?11:23
Treenaksand when :)11:23
Kamionspikeb: making the required bootsplash changes to the kernel fatally broke the installer.11:23
spikebouch11:24
Kamionspikeb: thus, too risky => backed out11:24
spikebKamion, heh, i can understand that./11:24
spikebwell since i have it installed, i suppose i can make my own kernel.11:24
TreenaksKamion: I guess it'll be looked at again for Hoary?11:24
Hmmmmm_first thing im gona do is to get the softporn off my gdm11:24
Kamion(and several people at the conference we were at at the time embarked on designing something new)11:24
spikebi dont have any softporn on my artwork anymore11:24
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JanneMHmmmmm_: the deafult is without those images11:25
JanneMthough thankfully they're still available11:25
KamionTreenaks: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog, mentioned briefly there11:25
KamionHmmmmm_: ubuntu-announce@lists.ubuntu.com11:25
KamionHmmmmm_: and wherever else we can think of11:25
agenteoI've installad k3b and gcompris on ubuntu but I don't find them in the gnome menus... in debian usually I solved this with update-menus11:26
Hmmmmm_JanneM, oic11:26
spikeblots of stuff planned for the next release11:26
atariboyhowdy. newbie alert. can beagle/dashboard run on Ubuntu?11:26
Hmmmmm_im gona torrent it11:27
atariboyand does XD2 run on Ubuntu?11:27
Hmmmmm_atariboy, ya i wna know that too... iv been waiting for beagle and dashboard for a while11:27
spikebatariboy,  no.11:28
atariboyno on both questions?11:28
topyliagenteo: ubuntu doesn't use debian-menu. you'll have to add the menu entries yourself11:28
spikebatariboy,  no to the second11:28
spikebbeagle and dashboard might work11:28
atariboyit is weird. XD2 doesn't even work on Suse 9.1. and they are from Novell11:28
Hmmmmm_looks like dr.nat wants it to be exclusive for his desktop11:28
spikebXD2 is old, that's partially why.11:28
bob2togs: rm /etc/rc2.d/S91samba, try again11:28
atariboyoh i see11:28
tuxi better go out and buy some blank cd's for the release today :))11:29
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atariboyit is getting rolled into Novell desktop then?11:29
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spikebatariboy,  i'd assume so, but i dont know.11:29
atariboyoki11:29
atariboyURL for XD?11:29
atariboyoh..11:30
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atariboyit is a commercial version of XD?11:30
atariboyI see11:30
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=== atariboy just wants a pretty and easy *nix. :)
spikebthis is pretty. and sort of easy.11:31
atariboyi have used debian before though. so i like the idea of Ubuntu11:31
Hmmmmm_spikeb, do u hav a screnshot?11:31
atariboyback when Woody was 'unstable'11:31
jdubHmmmmm_: industrial is the theme Ubuntu uses11:32
spikebnot currently11:32
spikebatariboy,  holy mackerel11:32
atariboywha?11:32
bob2indubstrial!11:32
Hmmmmm_jdub, ic11:32
atariboylong time ago?11:32
spikebatariboy, that was a while ago :)11:32
atariboyya :)11:32
Meridiani question...where is the qt-dev installed directory ?11:33
atariboy5 years11:33
Meridiani search *.h files11:33
spikebwhat the hell11:33
spikebthe UT2k4 installer is nuts11:33
xskoulaxwoot, just finished backing up my laptop anybody want to say goodby to my xp install before i blow it away?11:34
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septeracoregoodbye xp install :)11:35
crimsunMeridian: /usr/include/qt3/11:35
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Meridiancrimsun, thx11:35
justdaveanyone know if anyone has a working mol for Ubuntu posted anywhere yet?11:35
JanneMmol?11:36
spikebwtf11:36
xskoulaxactaully this desktop is running xp, but i'm hardly going to stop my pron downloads midway through11:36
justdavemol = Mac-on-Linux11:36
xskoulax;)11:36
Hmmmmm_ya mol?11:36
spikebut2k4 merely keeps going and going and going11:36
Hmmmmm_oic11:37
bob2isn't mol in universe?11:37
justdavethe one in universe is missing a few packages, and the ones that are there are compiled against the 2.4 kernel11:37
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xskoulaxwith a laptop install should i install with the wireless inserted or removed?11:38
bob2doesn't matter.11:39
bob2if it's installed and detected, you can finish the install over it11:39
xskoulaxkool11:39
atariboywhat ever happend to Corel Desktop?11:39
spikebit died, and then xandros got it11:40
spikebso corel desktop is now xandros desktop11:40
atariboyah11:40
spikebas far as KDE based distros go, xandros is nice.11:40
atariboyi see. oh well. i wanna stick with Gnome for beagle/dashboard11:41
Hmmmmm_is warty going to be released by south africa time or us time?11:41
TreenaksHmmmmm_: South Africa time is almost the same as Europe time afaik11:42
justdaveUTC11:42
jdubHmmmmm_: 15:00 UTC11:42
Kamion160011:42
atariboyi'm downloading Suse at the moment to try it but if i find out how to use it on Ubuntu i'll 'switch' :)11:42
jdubKamion: ahr11:42
Treenaksatariboy: what? gnome?11:42
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atariboy!?11:42
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atariboyam i missing something?11:43
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|trey|atariboy: so you want to try a primarily KDE distro.... because you want to stick with GNOME?  idgi11:43
tom_catatariboy: we miss k3b in base of ubuntu11:44
|trey|tom_cat: s/we/you/11:44
Hmmmmm_jdub, warty is gona get released at 150:00 utc?11:44
Treenaks150 o'clock? :)11:44
tom_catwe means ubuntu team and ubuntu users11:44
atariboybeagle/dashboard is gnome based. is Suse mainly KDE based?11:44
|trey|I never use graphical tools to burn CD's, cdrecord is just easier, and I don't have to play with ui buttons to get the desired result...11:44
sanitariois anyone except me having problems with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686?11:44
|trey|atariboy: yes...11:44
xskoulaxlol @ Treenaks11:44
Hmmmmm_Treenaks, meant 15:0011:44
atariboyoh. heh11:45
|trey|sanitario: nope... mainly cuz I figured libc-686 would be pleanty optimization  :/11:45
Treenaksdoes anyone know when people can expect the shipit CDs?11:45
xskoulaxwas you thinking 15 hundred?11:45
sanitarioit won't boot for me11:46
|trey|Treenaks: presumably shortly after the release  :/11:46
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Treenakssanitario: what kind of processor do you ahve11:46
sanitarioTreenaks: pentium M 11:46
Treenaks|trey|: of course, but "how short is short" :)11:46
=== |trey| wonders if there will be a "shipit" for hoary? wonders where to sign up 8)
atariboywell the reason i am getting *nix is beagle/dashboard. devs who work on those use Novell desktop. So I assumed Suse would be a good bet11:46
Treenaks|trey|: I'd even pay for it, if it doesn't cost too much11:47
Hmmmmm_jdub, how many hours from now is the release gona be in? coz i gotta go out and i wna plan it accordingly so i i ca start the download11:47
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|trey|atariboy: SuSE = KDE, Novell Linux Desktop includes both, but defaults to GNOME... you want NLD, not SUSE...11:47
TreenaksHmmmmm_: do "TZ=UTC date" in a shell11:47
Treenakswo okt 20 09:48:03 UTC 200411:48
atariboy|trey|: ah. i'm so confused then. i didn't think NLD was out11:48
Hmmmmm_Wed Oct 20 09:50:57 UTC 200411:48
|trey|atariboy: its not yet  :/11:48
atariboyoh heh11:48
|trey|SUSE 9.1 has a lot of old software   :/11:48
umana collector's item ?11:49
Hmmmmm_Treenaks, you in asia?11:49
xskoulaxholland right11:49
|trey|SUSE 9.2 will be out soon... blah... go with the "Novell" based offerings... those signify where the company is headed  :/11:49
TreenaksHmmmmm_: no, I'm in the Netherlands11:49
atariboybleh. |trey|, have you tried beagle on Ubuntu?11:49
Hmmmmm_Treenaks, coz im india and our time's look pretty similar11:49
atariboy|trey|: i see. ta11:50
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xskoulaxthats cause it was utc11:50
Hmmmmm_ok blooper!11:50
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TreenaksHmmmmm_: 9:50 is UTC.. it's 11:50 here now..11:50
|trey|atariboy: no... it was installed via NLD though... not even entirely sure what it does  :/11:50
Hmmmmm_ic11:50
|trey|(beta tester)  :/11:50
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atariboy|trey|: desktop search/indexing11:50
atariboywww.beaglewiki.org11:51
izTreenaks, netherlands ofcourse :)11:51
|trey|atariboy: hmm... why isn't this part of gnome 2.8?  8)11:51
spikeb|trey|, it's not ready yet.11:51
Treenaksiz: uiteraard :)11:51
atariboyit isn't ready for primetime yet11:51
iz:)11:51
|trey|spikeb: makes sense  :/11:51
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sanitariothis is what I get when I try to boot with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)11:51
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Kamionsanitario: sounds like the initrd wasn't set up11:52
Treenakssanitario: on what kind of devide is your root fs?11:52
Treenaksdevice11:52
sanitarioKamion: yeah, it does11:52
Kamionor else you forgot root=/dev/<whatever>11:52
sanitarioKamion: I just did apt-get install11:52
Kamionmore likely the latter actually11:52
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Kamions/you/it/ then ;)11:53
sanitarioTreenaks: ide harddrive11:53
sanitarioTreenaks: thinkpad t4011:53
spikeboooh perty11:53
sanitarioKamion: yes11:54
izhd011:54
Kamionsanitario: if you're using grub, I think you need to make sure that all the requisite options are in the commented # kopt line in menu.lst, otherwise update-grub doesn't know what options to put in11:54
sanitariothe only info I can find on the mailinglist is that someone got the same error with the k7 version of the kernel11:54
lupus_to bad the ubuntu kernel does not have the inotify patch11:54
Kamionsanitario: for now try booting with root=/dev/hda1 or wherever it actually is11:54
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s7sWhen i startup Ubuntu, it reports an error in 'Hotplug subsystem'. I don?t use 'Hotplug', so i want to remove it from the startup-procedure. How can i do that?11:55
sanitarioKamion: I'll try to install itagain, it might have been fixed since yesterday I guess...11:55
Treenakss7s: you do use hotplug..11:55
sanitarioKamion: and in other case try the root-option11:55
atariboycan one do a Ubuntu net install? (i once downloaded a floppy, booted from that then installed via the net using debian. is this possible?)11:55
sanitarioKamion: the kopt looks fine11:56
s7sTreenaks, Wnat happens if i disable it?11:56
Treenakss7s: most hardware you have won't be detected/usable11:56
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sanitarioKamion: and the root too11:56
sanitariobrb11:56
s7sTreenaks, Okay, didn?t knew that. Thanks :)11:57
Kamions7s: you can ditch it if you make absolutely sure the modules for all your hardware are in /etc/modules11:57
s7sKamion, i?ll check it...11:57
izany 1 use the amd64 version ?11:57
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|trey|atariboy: there is no 'netinst' image at this time, no...12:01
tuxakkaHi, why in ubuntu's gnome 2.8 collapse my mouse after few seconds of working?12:01
atariboyok. thanks |trey| 12:01
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Treenakstuxakka: could you be more specific? what happens?12:01
tuxakkacursor moves in side of display Treenaks12:01
|trey|atariboy: you can however do a debian netinst, add an ubuntu source, and install 'ubuntu-desktop' if you are so inclined  :)12:02
Treenakstuxakka: what kind of mouse do you have?12:02
tuxakkausb optical logitech12:02
atariboy|trey|: heh. result would be the same then?12:02
Koffahw-support site says Atheros-based wlan-cards are supported - with which module is that?12:02
Treenakstuxakka: that describes about 50 mice :) do you have a model name?12:03
|trey|atariboy: pretty much, yeah... wouldn't be complete set of packages... but its a fair chunk  :)12:03
atariboycool12:03
TreenaksKoffa: madwifi12:03
TreenaksKoffa: but it'll load automatically if an Atheros card is detected, I guess12:03
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Koffano such module12:03
ntlKoffa: ath_pci.ko and ath_hal.ko12:03
bdoetschhi there12:03
Koffain which kernel-image should it be available?12:03
izgutentag12:04
Koffano madw* nor ath_* found12:04
agenteocan you suggest me a good gui cd burner in ubuntu?12:04
izk3b12:04
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spikebnautilus-cd-burner12:04
jdubagenteo: nautilus :-)12:04
|trey|damnit @ slow compile times  :(12:04
|trey|Sup jdub  8)12:04
tuxakkaTreenaks on mouse reads optical mouse m/n: m-bj5812:05
Koffantl/treenaks: any help would be appreciated :)12:05
bdoetschgot a question: is there a tool to repartition my harddrive out of ubuntu?12:05
ntlKoffa: I think you need the linux-restricted-modules package12:05
Koffaok12:05
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|trey|bdoetsch: gparted12:05
|trey|bdoetsch: or just parted.12:06
agenteojdub: is it? I'll try it thanks :-(12:06
bdoetschthx trey :-)12:06
agenteo*:-)12:06
TreenaksKoffa: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 and/or linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686 (replace 386/686 with k7 if you have an AMD cpu)12:06
Koffantl: thanks, that's the one12:06
KoffaTreenaks: thanks to you too :)12:06
xskoulaxTreenaks: that mouse is a 2 button scroll, like the ones dell ships with looking at it12:06
Koffastill a bit lost with this...12:06
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Treenaksxskoulax: I don't know then.12:07
s7sAbout that Hotplug thing: The error is in something called 'shpchp'.12:07
bdoetsch|trey|, how can i get gparted? its not available in synaptic12:07
xskoulaxi think you can treat it like a intellimouse tuxakka 12:07
|trey|bdoetsch: no idea  :/12:08
xskoulaxmy logitec got click happy, so its been a while since i used it12:08
|trey|bdoetsch: Debian sid has it  :/12:08
|trey|bdoetsch: presumably universe should too...12:09
tuxakkadmeg say abou mice: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse]  on usb-0000:00:11.2-112:09
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bdoetsch|trey|, universe hasn't got it12:09
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s7sMaybe multiverse?12:09
|trey|jdub: ya know, there really should be something simular to packages.debian.org for ubuntu, would make life a lot easier  8)12:10
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bdoetsch|trey|, installing qtparted now...12:10
|trey|s7s: its being considered for GNOME, so its not non-free  :/12:10
|trey|bdoetsch: ugh, just use parted... qt is gross  :/12:10
tuxakkathere is also error in dmesg:Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:85 is it about mouse related?12:10
togsI got weird things going on... The apps I have open don't appear in the task bar12:10
bdoetsch|trey|, i know qt is gross...but at least not a ncurses gui12:11
Meridianhow can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?12:11
xskoulaxtuxakka: i have no clue sorry :(12:11
s7sWhat is 'SHPCHP'?12:11
tuxakkaok12:11
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|trey|bdoetsch: so you're prepared to install about 20 MB's of libs to avoid a TUI? its not ncurses btw... at least not the way I have used it  :/12:11
bdoetsch|trey|, got them already installed for k3b...so no problem12:12
|trey|bdoetsch: your logic is flawed, but its your time and system  :/12:12
xskoulax__daniel: wilkommen zuruk12:12
umank3b is the only reason for me to have kde stuff12:12
xskoulaxsp?12:12
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bdoetsch|trey|, why is k3b illogical?12:12
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tuxakkadmesg also says: [<c018bcd4>]  kobject_cleanup+0x40/0x6512:13
|trey|k3b doesn't do what I tell it, somehow between k3b's interface, and it telling cdrecord what to do, something gets muggled up... so I just tell cdrecord what to do myself  :/12:13
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Ng|trey|: I don't like qt, but it's a bit harsh to yell at people for using stuff that uses it ;)12:13
bdoetschbtw, is there a way that evolution starts filtering spam? i activated it in the preferences but have seen no effect so far12:14
Meridianhow can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?12:14
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|trey|Ng: not at all  :/  installing the libs for one or two apps makes me wanna hit people  :/12:14
jdubbdoetsch: you need to install spamc and spamassassin from universe12:14
tuxakkais there much diffrence with vanilla kernel?12:14
|trey|bdoetsch: install spamassassin12:14
Ng|trey|: then you need to calm the hell down dude :)12:14
|trey|jdub: spamc = spamassassin dep  ;)12:14
bob2tuxakka: piles of drivers.12:15
bdoetschjdub, that would definitely be something for the wiki/faq :-)12:15
jdubbdoetsch: you don't need to ask permission12:15
Koffahmm... module loads up but I can't get reply from dhcp12:15
bdoetschjdub, tried to edit the wiki but it told me i didn't have permissions (on another topic)12:16
bdoetschbrb12:16
bob2bdoetsch: login12:16
tuxakkacould my mouse collapse be kernel related, or should I check Xconfig?12:16
jdubbdoetsch: click UserPreferences and create a user12:16
Treenakstuxakka: most likely X config12:16
sanitariookay, so that didn't work... 12:16
bdoetschjdub, that's all? 12:16
sanitariothis is what happens: http://student.chl.chalmers.se/~it3thpe/kernelpanic01.jpg12:16
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umantuxakka: have you checked your logs yet ?12:17
jdubbdoetsch: yes12:17
KoffaDHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 1512:17
Koffatimes n12:17
Treenakssanitario: try booting without quiet12:17
Treenakssanitario: you can remove it in the grub menu12:17
sanitarioTreenaks: yeah, I'll try that, brb12:18
Treenakssanitario: then compare the output of the working one with the broken one12:18
sanitarioTreenaks: ok12:18
tuxakkauman not yet checking12:19
umantuxakka: since I've been on xorg my middle mouse button stopped working, the wheel bit still works12:20
umanjust not clicking on it12:20
__danielxskoulax, sorry, didnt read it. you were nearly right, it's "willkommen zurck" :-)12:20
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xskoulaxahhh had a feeling i spelt it wrong, its been a while12:21
jonohi all12:21
jonodid the naked people art cause some offence or something - it has been removed?12:21
__danielxskoulax, where are you from?12:21
xskoulaxhi jono12:21
jonoheya xskoulax12:21
__danieljono, there's a new package12:21
spivjono: ubuntu-calendar has the people.12:22
jono__daniel, thats what I mean, was it removed for a reason?12:22
xskoulaxborn in london, england currently living in denver usa12:22
__danieljono, i missed those naked guys so much :-)12:22
bob2jono: it's not the default anymore.12:22
jonoheh12:22
__danielglad to habe em back :-)12:22
jonoI could have imagined some people getting upperty about them for some stupid reason12:22
__danielxskoulax, you learned german back in england?12:22
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Treenakswhee.. mono is in multiverse!12:23
jdubuniverse12:23
xskoulaxyea for a couple years, around what 9 years ago12:23
Treenaksjdub: universe?12:23
__danielxskoulax, wow12:23
jdubmono is in universe, not multiverse12:23
jonohttp://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/archives/2004/10/ubdate_1.html - that is exactly what we need :)12:23
Treenaksjdub: hm.. it seems to be in in both, by looking at pool/{uni,multi}verse/m12:24
Treenaksjdub: both have a "m/mono"12:24
xskoulaxwillkommen i knew was what i wanted to say, zuruck was me streching my memory to breaking point ;)12:24
jdub$ apt-cache show mono | grep ^Filename12:24
jdubFilename: pool/universe/m/mono/mono_1.0.1-1_i386.deb12:24
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Treenaksjdub: uh.. I take that back, I need to re-learn the alphabet, sorry12:25
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Treenaksjdub: M comes before U12:25
togsis anybody else having trouble after doing distro-upgrades?12:25
Koffa'RX packets:0 errors:1604 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:1604' - bad driver or broken hardware?12:25
Treenakstogs: distro-upgrades?12:26
lupus_jdub, will inotify be in hoary?12:26
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TreenaksKoffa: interrupt troubles?12:26
TreenaksKoffa: look at the output of 'dmesg', it might tell you more12:26
jacobSo is Warty being released today?12:27
togsi updated the package list in synaptic, clicked mark all upgrades, then apply12:27
bob2jacob: yes12:27
Koffawell irq 11 is shared, but should that be a problem?12:27
jacobbob2, great12:27
TreenaksKoffa: not really.. PCI IRQ sharing should Just Work12:28
Koffanothing else jumps out12:28
TreenaksKoffa: strange..12:28
jdublupus_: most likely12:28
sanitariookey, so now I know what it was12:28
lupus_nice :)12:28
lupus_can't wait :)12:28
togsnow the apps i have open aren't on the taskbar, there's only one virtual workspace, the applets like processor monitor are gone, and firefox won't start12:29
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Treenakstogs: no trouble here.. where did you upgrade from?12:29
togsanybody else getting that sort of behaviour?12:29
sanitariothe initrd was 18 MB 12:29
togsthe default reps12:29
sanitarioand only 8 megs was allowed12:30
Treenakssanitario: weird?12:30
Treenakssanitario: how did you get it to 18M?12:30
sanitarioTreenaks: apt-get install linux-686 ? 12:30
xskoulaxwhere would i go to pass WEP information on to my wireless card under ubuntu?12:30
Treenakssanitario: hm ok12:30
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jdubxskoulax: /etc/network/interfaces12:31
Treenaksxskoulax: or using the Network settings thing12:31
xskoulaxTreenaks: i looked it the network settings thing couldn't see it there ;(12:31
togsplus samba is now a broken package :(12:31
|trey|ugh, where can I get the old images from? and why was it desided to get rid of them entirely rather then simply not have them as default?12:31
sanitarioTreenaks: anyways, I set ramdisk=32768 and it booted nicely, added it to kopts in grub now too12:32
__daniel|trey|, you have to install a new package to get those nice guys back12:32
|trey|__daniel: which one?12:32
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sanitario|trey|: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar 12:33
|trey|sanitario: thanks  :)12:33
|trey|I'm still not entirely sure I understand the calendar graphics... :(12:34
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sanitario|trey|: in november, there will be a new one12:35
terozhi guyz whats up12:35
Meridianhow can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?12:35
terozquest12:35
teroz:)12:36
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|trey|Ugh, I feel like a moron, but where do you change splash screen images?12:37
togsthis install's gone bonkers. I think it's mostly Gnome that's broken12:38
terozhow do i navigate to smb shares from the command line12:38
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sanitario|trey|: my friend tells me it's done in gconf12:39
sanitario|trey|: I 12:39
|trey|togs: define "bonkers"12:39
sanitario|trey|: I *think* it's on the wiki12:39
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togsnow the apps i have open aren't on the taskbar, there's only one virtual workspace, the applets like processor monitor are gone, and firefox won't start *repost of previous line :)12:39
togsthat's a start12:39
UBMiketeroz, smbmount ?12:40
sanitario|trey|: gconf -> apps -> gnome-session -> options12:40
|trey|sanitario: thanks  :)12:40
sanitario|trey|: no problem12:40
terozUBMike, aren't they already mounted when i can navigate them from computer12:41
togsI don't know if it's because there might be new packages because of the official version coming out or what12:41
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sikkhhi12:41
az[a] zel_ubuntuno mono packages in ubuntu?12:41
|trey|That key needs a "browse" button when you edit it  :(12:41
az[a] zel_ubuntuGaim won't interpret the html and I'm seeing tags :( :(12:41
UBMiketeroz, don't know, have a look in /etc/mtab perhaps...12:41
sikkhcan I install ubunto after booting from floppy thru network?12:41
|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: in universe.12:42
|trey|sikkh: sure...12:42
sikkhor updateing apt sources in a running debian?12:42
sikkh|trey| any floppy image prepared?12:42
togsnow I get this error when opening the music player: Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register?12:42
|trey|sikkh: nope12:42
Koffaargh12:42
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, im doing a search in synaptic.. I'm pretty sure I have universe configured.. but im not seeing anything called "mono"12:42
terozUBMike, doen't show any smb mounts 12:42
terozie mtab doesn't show any smb mounts12:43
KoffaTreenaks: noapic acpi=off12:43
Koffanow it works12:43
togshence, it's gone bonkers :P12:43
Koffanow I just have to find my login/pass from 'somewhere' :)12:43
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sanitariotogs: sorry to say this, but have you tried rebooting?12:43
togsseveral times, sanitario :(12:44
sanitarioKoffa: it's in universe ;)12:44
sanitariotogs: oh, that sucks12:44
SepheeBearthere's some mono stuff in Tseng's repository add this line to /etc/apt/sources.lst.... deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./12:44
Koffasanitario: what? where?12:44
|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: Bet you $50 you don't have it set up  ;)12:44
Meridianhello....how i install an usb scanner to ubuntu (Canon Canonscan 5000F)12:45
Koffaach... <-- slow12:45
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, im not a betting man :) and no I didn't :(12:45
sanitarioKoffa: I'm just joking, couldn't stop myself12:45
togsI think I might wait for official announcement of release, re-install using the preview CD and let it update during install12:45
togsis that a good idea?12:45
KoffaI thought "lucky me, no need to tweak any kernel-params"12:45
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Koffafsck this... I've been fighting with the same issue for 2wks in debian12:45
|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: I've seen you in #debian before huh?12:45
Koffaprobably works there too now12:45
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, probably.. but I've never run debian before :)12:46
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|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: #fedora?12:46
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, I thought that I added universe when I first installed ubuntu.. maybe after the upgrade it wrote over my apt sources? hmm12:46
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, no I do hang oput in #debian.. I just dont run it.. I usually run Mandrake12:46
|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: didn't here... I would kick someone if it did  :)12:46
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|trey|az[a] zel_ubuntu: umm, ouch  :(12:47
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, it's okay...im getting a bit sick of it though.. the only reason I like it is because it only takes me about 30 minutes to set up12:47
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az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, most of the "hardcore" distro's, take me ages, and I have to do a lot of things manually12:48
az[a] zel_ubuntu|trey|, except for ubuntu, hence me trying it out12:48
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az[a] zel_ubuntuermmm? there's no mono-jit or mono-mint package in universe for amd64 ?12:49
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|trey|I even remember stating "yuck" right before I hit restart  8)12:49
sladenaz[a] zel_ubuntu: so it's offical, Ubunutu is *hardcore*  ;-)12:49
az[a] zel_ubuntusladen, well, it's based on debian12:49
sikkh|trey| wer do I get a list of apt sources for ubuntu?12:49
az[a] zel_ubuntuany amd64 people here?12:49
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|trey|sladen: Warty is perhaps... Hoary surely won't be able to be classified the same though  :/12:50
|trey|sikkh: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MirrorArchive  *checks*12:50
az[a] zel_ubuntuthere's a bunch of mono packages, but no JIT or Interpreter! doh... I *still* haven't been able to try mono out, because mdk packages are broken, and ubuntu packages appear to be non existance12:50
|trey|I'm a retard...12:51
|trey|http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive12:51
isamI had been following ubuntu since I heard of it .. I am a KDE user .. it seems that ubunto is Gnome-based, and KDE is part of the not-really-taken-care-of universe .. is there an advantage of using ubuntu for me ? I am currently on sid .. 12:51
|trey|isam: no...12:51
isamand what is needed to have KDE taken care of ?12:51
Riddellisam: nope, wait until the KDE stuff happens12:51
sikkh|trey| thx12:51
|trey|isam: but the KDE packages ARE the Sid packages...12:51
bob2isam: someone who cares to look after it12:51
Riddell|trey|: no they arn't, they're the testing packages12:51
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|trey|Riddell: they are the Sid packages, only about a month or more old  :/12:52
sladenisam: I think riddell has kde 3.3.3.3.3.3 packages12:52
|trey|Riddell: Ubuntu never takes from testing...12:52
isamwell.. as ubuntu packages are build with P4 gcc flags, I was hoping to get a better performance from ubuntu than debian12:52
Riddellsladen: as it happens I do12:52
Riddellisam: you can use my KDE 3.3 packages "deb http://geeksoc.org/~jr/ubuntu/ unstable main"12:53
plovs_workdoes the udev/hal stuff work in kde?12:53
sikkh|tray| add warty, warty-security and warty-updates?12:53
sikkhto apt sources12:53
Riddellplovs_work: nope, I'd like to get it to work one day though12:53
isamRiddell, can I use them in sid ? or problems may rise ?12:53
whiprushanyone know the specific wiki software the wiki runs on?12:53
Riddellisam: they're just the sid packages recompiled for Ubuntu (apart from a couple of ones I made)12:53
plovs_workRiddell, plans? or just wishing?12:54
bob2whiprush: moinmoin.12:54
isamRiddell, what do you mean (udev/hal) isn't supported in KDE ? what does KDE need to support it ? isn't ha;/udev more low level ?12:54
whiprushthanks12:54
|trey|sikkh: umm, $REPO_URL/dists/$DIST  :/12:54
Riddellplovs_work: mostly just wishing :)  there's stuff in kdenonbeta/ that might work12:54
plovs_workwhiprush, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/12:55
|trey|sikkh: security NEVER has mirrors though, that would be kinda insecure  :/12:55
Riddellisam: there's the KDE volume manager in kdenonbeta which might work but you need Qt DBUS bindings and they're going to be out of date once Qt 4 is out12:55
whiprushplovs_work: yeah reading it now, thanks12:55
Ng|trey|: not if you sign packages12:55
robtaylorHi all12:55
robtaylorDoes anyone know who'se working on the live-cd stuff?12:55
plovs_workRiddell, too bad, well i use gnome anyway...12:55
|trey|Ng: apt in experimental can do that... current apt can't though without help  :/12:56
plovs_workisam, udev/hal itself peobably works it just doesn't tals to the WM and doesn't open any windows etc12:56
Ng|trey|: indeed. at least they are fixing that though :)12:57
|trey|Ng: if its not the default action... its insecure  :/12:57
tuxakkain xconfig ubuntu has put all others as I seen before but:"Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"12:57
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Ng|trey|: no more or less than mirroring the non-security tree12:57
|trey|Ng: actually works well... not entirely sure why it hasn't moved to sid yet  :/12:57
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tuxakkacould that mouse emulation cause collapse?12:58
Treenaks|trey|: probably because they want to wait for the Next Release12:58
Treenakstuxakka: not likely12:58
az[a] zel_ubuntuany AMD64 packagers/users here ?12:58
Treenakstuxakka: it's probably the protocol12:58
Meridianhow can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?12:59
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tuxakkaprotocol is right Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"12:59
|trey|tuxakka: what you describe is usually wrong device or protocol... sounds like something I have seen with GPM...12:59
|trey|Treenaks: I've not seen things stalled from Sid due to Sarge freeze  :/01:00
bob2Treenaks: lots of things have01:00
Treenaks|trey|: it's semi-officially recommended afaik01:00
|trey|Meridian: ugh, quit repeating... go get the damn package and dpkg -i it!01:00
tuxakkadevice is right too Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"01:01
|trey|tuxakka: GPM isn't installed?01:01
|trey|and thats not what I meant  :(01:01
tuxakkahow do I check if I have gpm or not?01:01
|trey|tuxakka: I said "driver" not "device"  :/01:02
|trey|dpkg -l gpm01:02
|trey|if you didn't install it, its not there...01:02
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tuxakkaok then I don't have gpm01:03
tuxakkacould mouse collapse be gnome matter?01:03
az[a] zel_ubuntuoops, I just did alt-Q to close a window.. damn Apple changing my habits01:03
|trey|Treenaks: no... if its in experimental, its there because it is *not* meant for general consumption  :/01:03
|trey|Treenaks: currently debsigs is kinda sorta recommended  :/01:03
Treenaks|trey|: or because the new version won't be stable enough for Sarge01:04
|trey|I think thats what its called atleast  :/01:04
tuxakkadpkg -l gpm un  gpm            <none>01:04
|trey|Treenaks: :/01:05
Meridian|trey|, it is not simple01:05
|trey|Sarge is frozen... afaik, Sid has been opened for new versions again  :/01:05
|trey|(atleast according to what I have read on planet.d.o01:07
|trey|)01:07
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bob2why do you end every line with ":/"?01:07
bob2are you that concerned?01:07
|trey|bob2: just habit more then anything...01:08
bob2it's fearly silly01:08
tuxakkaif I try my mouse with other desktop than gnome then I should know is the problem gnome related, right?01:08
|trey|bob2: it is used to show frustration or apathy usually...01:08
umanyes01:08
|trey|bob2: fairly*01:08
bob2I liked my spelling01:10
|trey|I didn't, spelling things wrong makes me cringe  :(01:10
|trey|(yes, I see why... but yeah)01:11
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jonois Kamion in bed?01:16
Kamion|trey|: sid has not been opened for new versions willy-nilly01:16
Kamionjono: no?01:16
|trey|Kamion: my mistake... some are uploading new versions of things though... didn't actually see an announcement on the subject  :/01:17
Kamion|trey|: yes, of course, was this not expected?01:17
Kamion|trey|: trying to upload big new subsystems to sid is still highly deprecated01:18
|trey|Kamion: at one point near sarge freeze, people were getting mad about anything but bug fixes even going into sid  :/01:18
KamionI think you're picking up conflicting data from all over the place, no wonder it's confusing you :)01:18
Riddellhello jono 01:18
|trey|Kamion: this is highly likely  ;)01:18
Kamionsee announcements on debian-devel-announce01:19
Kamionanyway, wrong channel. :-)01:19
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lupus_is ubuntu using this? I seem to not seen any bootsplash on bootup http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fusplash01:22
Keybuklupus_: we will be for our next release01:22
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lupus_then it should be removed from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog01:23
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The_Bellhello01:23
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The_Bellis there any way to change boot order so ubuntu first check for the pcmcia card manager and then for the network?01:24
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The_BellI'm having problems booting with a pcmcia ethernet01:24
The_Bellbecause of that01:24
lupus_and from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fKernel  the line Framebuffer-based bootsplash: http://www.bootsplash.org/ also should be removed?01:24
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Kamionthat was just brainstorming anyway01:25
Kamionwe'll sort out the wiki once warty's done and dusted01:25
lupus_k01:26
Kamionor, anyone else is free to beat us to it, of course :)01:26
Kamionit's a wiki, free to edit ...01:26
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giardhas anyone tried to get the adm8211 (wireless) drivers installed?01:28
lupus_Kamion, so moving those things to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog01:28
lupus_is the thing to do :)01:28
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Kamionyep01:29
Kamionask if you're not sure about any particular item01:29
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lupus_this  Framebuffer-based bootsplash: http://www.bootsplash.org/ is not in the warty kernel anymore 01:30
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Treenakswhy did I read that as Fraunhofer-based bootleg?01:30
Kamionlupus_: I'll remove that now.01:30
giardmaybe I could ask it another way01:31
lupus_k01:31
Kamiongone01:31
giardhow do I get the source for the currently running kernel?01:32
Kamiongiard: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.101:32
Treenaksgiard: if you're going to compile a custom kernel module, please see if it's not already in there01:32
Treenaksgiard: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto01:33
Sirius_Blackhi guys - how do i make sure loop module is loaded01:33
speelhey is there any program for like reminders and such01:33
TheMusoSirius_Black: Simply add it to your /etc/modules file.01:33
Sirius_Blacki need it to be able to mount iso images with #mount -o loop file.iso mountpoint01:34
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UBMikeSirius_Black, sudo lsmod|grep loop01:34
Sirius_BlackUBMike: lemme try that01:34
Sirius_BlackUBMike: nothing :-(01:34
TheMusoSirius_Black: Chances are that once you mount a loop device, the module will load automatically.01:35
UBMikeSirius_Black, not loaded then? or hardcoded...01:35
crimsunit will autoload when you run sudo mount -o loop ...01:35
Sirius_BlackUBMike: any suggestion please01:35
Keybukcrimsun: it won't ... you need to do modprobe loop01:35
UBMikeSirius_Black, sudo modprobe loop01:35
crimsunbtw, you don't need sudo lsmod; lsmod by itself suffices01:35
crimsunKeybuk: interesting.01:35
TheMusoKeybuk: Are you sure?01:36
Sirius_Blackah UBMike it worked01:36
Kamionspeel: evolution has calendaring functionality, and if you click on the clock at the top right of the screen then you should see today's appointments01:36
Keybukcrimsun: not especially, what were you thinking could load the module for you?01:36
Sirius_BlackUBMike: tnx for that (although it was simple).  Will loop load from now on all the time when i boot01:36
KeybukSirius_Black: echo loop >> /etc/modules01:37
giardhmmm01:37
crimsunKeybuk: alias block-major-7  loop01:37
giardhow do I check if the module I'm trying to install is already in the restricted modules package?01:37
crimsunKeybuk: that's what i thought.01:37
UBMikeSirius_Black, there u go. no add it to /etc/modules like Keybuk says.01:37
Keybukcrimsun: ah, no ... that's the old-style "load module on /dev access" trick01:37
Sirius_Blacktnx all guys01:37
Keybukcrimsun: but you don't have /dev/loop* until you load the module these days01:37
crimsunKeybuk: gotcha.01:38
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UBMikeSirius_Black, np. say hello to Lupin for me :) 01:39
Sirius_BlackUBMike: i will :-))01:39
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atariboywhat is the big differences with ubuntu vs debian?01:42
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TheMusoatariboy: Laptop support out of the box, I.E speedstep.01:42
TheMusoLatest GNOME release.01:43
TheMusoSingle CD install.01:43
brosenregular releases?01:43
TheMuso6 month releases.01:43
Hmmmmm_guys is warty out ?01:44
bob2no01:44
__danielHmmmmm_, not yet01:44
kentatariboy, you get a working desktop without having to mind about stupid questions when installing it. It just installs :)01:44
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KamionHmmmmm_: give it a few hours.01:47
danielsHmmmmm_: bear in mind that the UK is only just having lunch01:48
ondrejis there planned support for Ralink RT2500 ? Ralink has GPLed kernel driver on their pages.01:48
tckita about 13:00 there01:48
justdavebob2: just fyi, I found the missing modules for mol...  they're in multiverse01:49
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Hmmmmm_we here in india are having tea01:49
bob2justdave: oh, non-free stuff?01:49
justdaveit's still compiled against the wrong kernel, but grabbing the deb-src and rebuilding seems to work :)01:49
bob2ah, cool01:50
carlosbob2: the Apple's license was non free until recently01:50
Hmmmmm_it's 5 pm here01:50
umanthat's one of the things that really annoys me, canon finally brought out some linux drivers for more recent printers, but only on their japanese site01:50
tckwe want ubuntu !!01:50
bob2you can have ubuntu.01:50
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Hmmmmm_tck i second that!01:50
justdaveyeah, it's got drivers compiled from source taken from Darwin, which is "Apple Open Source License"01:50
tckpm me a linky :P01:50
bob2ondrej: if they're not in the warty kernel yet, file a wishlist bug on the kernel package to have it added01:51
bob2or ask on ubuntu-users01:51
bob2tck: www.ubunutlinux.org/download/01:51
bob2er, not wishlist, whatever the bugzilla eqiuivalent is01:51
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justdaveseverity=enhancement01:52
bob2ah, right01:52
justdavewhich is weird, but that's what the equivalent is.  it should really be a separate field instead of tacked onto severity01:52
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Kamiondebbugs is the same, wishlist is a severity01:54
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justdavegot mol running now, but it doesn't seem to want to give me more than 8 bits of color. :(01:55
justdaveOS X in 8-bit color is freaking awful01:55
justdavecan hardly tell what you're looking at :)01:55
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georgiajustdave: how fast does osx run, compared to running natively?01:57
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justdavegeorgia: almost can't tell the difference.01:59
bob2hmmm01:59
justdaveit's not a processor emulator, it's only a hardware emulator01:59
Kamionit's a little too slow to play Starcraft on (not to mention that sound doesn't work)01:59
Kamionbut apart from that it's fine02:00
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umanluckily starcraft works fine on wine02:00
georgiajustdave: i knwo that, but there are other overheads on yoru system, liek the whole linux system, so how much of a performance hit does it take?02:00
justdaveit gets slow if something your doing depends on a certain hardware driver (like video :)02:00
justdaveoh, have to make sure it has enough RAM.02:01
justdaveit defaults to 96 MB, which isn't enough. :)  My G4 has 1.5 GB available, so I give it 512 MB02:01
bob2speaking of which, are there any usable flash plugins for ppc?02:01
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georgiacool02:01
justdaveI'm usually using one or the other, so I don't know if linux slows down while you're using it02:02
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Sirius_Blackhi guys - i use xterm (in KDE, not konsole but plain old xterm) a lot.  default is black fonts on white surface which I dont like, so i run it as "xterm -bg black -fg white".  Can i somehow 'automate' this so every time i run xterm it is white fonts on black surface.  I.e. should I edit some file to sort this one out please etc 02:02
umanSirius_Black: I think you can use alias02:03
joemSirius_Black, .Xdefaults is what you want to edit02:03
dynSirius_Black: what about a shell alias?02:03
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umanin your ~/.bashrc iirc02:03
Sirius_Blackjoem: is Xdefaults in ~02:03
justdaveisn't there something non-free you have to install to get nvidia cards working right?02:04
justdavethis thing has an nvidia in it02:04
joemSirius_Black, you need to create it iirc02:04
umanjustdave: nvidia cards will work with the free nv02:04
dynjustdave: what's mol?02:04
Sirius_Blackdyn: tell me more about shell alias please02:04
Sirius_Blackjoem: what is iirc mate02:04
joemyou can probaly google for an example one, or check  http://www.dotfiles.com/02:04
umanbut for 3D you use nividia's nvidia "Driver" which is partly non gpl02:04
joemif I recall correctly02:04
Sirius_Blackjoem: hahahaah tnx mate#02:05
dynSirius_Black: open a console. type: alias xterm="xterm -bg black -fg white"; xterm02:05
justdavedyn: Mac On Linux02:05
joemno problem02:05
dynjustdave: woot :) the aqua stuff? or something like darwin?02:05
joemalias's aren't what you want here02:05
justdavedyn: Aqua and the works.  Runs OS X in a window (or full-screen on a virtual console)02:05
dynjustdave: and dog slow i guess, aint it?02:05
justdavedyn: nope.02:06
dynjustdave: hmmn02:06
dyngotta see that02:06
Sirius_Blackdyn: tnx mate it worked02:06
justdavedyn: only works on powerpc, it's not an emulator, just a virtual machine kind of thing02:06
Sirius_Blackdyn can you tell which has changed after i did that please02:06
Sirius_Blackdyn can you tell which file has changed after i did that please02:06
dynSirius_Black: now if you place that alias setup (without the end xterm ofc :) in your ~/.bashrc, every time you exec xterm, it will get aliased02:07
dynno file changed. that's a temporary setting for your current shell at the moment02:07
dynjustdave: ahh i see.. i'm on x86 :)02:07
joemdyn, .Xdefaults are where you store term settings such as colors and all02:07
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joemshouldn't use an alais for that02:08
dynjoem: why not? it's a more general solution for the problem02:08
Sirius_Blackdyn: do u mean anywhere in ~/.bashrc, or else02:08
joemdyn, it is more limiting02:08
dynSirius_Black: yea right in your home. or just listen to joem, i agree his approach is a smarter but less known way to solve that issue for X-specific apps02:09
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dynjoem: i'd rather say it's more general..02:09
Sirius_Blackjoem: i dont seam to have .Xdefaults.  can yo point me to one please02:09
joemSirius_Black, sure02:09
danielcookingsirius blacks rocks02:09
danielcookingsirius black rocks, well... rocked :-)02:09
jacobAm I the only one who thinks the font is a little small in the gdm login-name entry ?02:09
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joemSirius_Black, http://www.strath.ac.uk/CC/Courses/oldXC/subsection3_9_4.html02:10
Sirius_Blackdyn tnx but I meant can i put **alias xterm="xterm -bg black -fg white -geometry 100x40"** anywhere in ~/.bashrc or does it have to be for exampel between line X and line Y, if you see what i mean :-)02:10
Sirius_Blackjoem: tnx02:10
TreenaksSirius_Black: you don't want that, you want to add foreground/background/geometry stuff to .Xresources02:11
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TziganeHello =)02:11
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Sirius_BlackTreenaks: i do not seam to have .Xresources mate02:12
TziganeI'm having a few issues with an errant pc speaker.. it keeps beeping at me, when I do things like type a nonmatching search in the web browser, or try to go back a page from page 1 in xpdf...02:12
TziganeWhich is a really, really bad thing when sitting in quiet lecture theatres02:13
TreenaksSirius_Black: you can create one..02:13
TziganeIs there any way I can disable the pc speaker?02:13
TreenaksTzigane: xset b off ?02:13
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sanitarioTzigane: modprobe -r pcspkr and add pcspkr to /etc/hotplug/blacklist02:13
TziganeAh, thankyou sanitario =)02:13
TziganeAnd Treenaks02:13
TziganeExcellent, xset worked nicely02:14
TziganeAny way to keep that setting?02:14
TreenaksTzigane: the xset one? I don't know of an easy way02:14
TziganeOkay =) Might go with blacklisting the module02:15
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giarddoes ubuntu have any form of suspend for laptops?02:15
giardeven if it's not default?02:15
TziganeYou can always try echo <num> > /proc/acpi/sleep02:16
TziganeLike... echo 1 ...02:16
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lkerscherverwende hier ubuntu und kann keine kdelibs und kein K3b installieren, kann das an der /etc/apt/source.lst liegen? Was soll ich da einfgen?02:24
lkerscherkann mir da vielleicht jmd. helfen?02:24
Treenakslkerscher: You should look in /etc/apt/sources.list, and read the comments02:24
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Treenakslkerscher: they tell you how to add 'universe'02:24
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Treenakslkerscher: then do 'apt-get update' and you can install it02:25
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lkerscherok thank you I'll look if I can do this because I am using Linux since yesterday02:26
Treenakslkerscher: you can type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' to edit /etc/apt/sources.list02:26
lkerscheroh I#ve done it with vim02:26
Treenaksworks too02:27
jordithere's a friendly sources.list editor in synaptic02:27
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lkerscherthis is in the sources.list02:27
lkerscherdeb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041013)] / unstable main restricted02:27
lkerscherdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted02:27
lkerscherdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted02:27
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lkerscher## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'02:27
lkerscher## repository.02:27
lkerscher## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu02:27
lkerscher## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to02:27
lkerscher## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in02:27
lkerscher## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security02:27
lkerscher## team.02:27
lkerscher# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe02:28
lkerscher# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe02:28
lkerscherdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted02:28
lkerscherdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted02:28
lkerscher~02:28
lkerscherbut I don't know what to do now02:28
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Kamionlkerscher: remove the "# " before the two lines ending "warty universe"02:29
Treenakslkerscher: you shuold remove the "#" before the "universe" lines02:29
lkerscherokay thanks 02:30
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sikkhupgrading02:33
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antonio_vaya kk02:34
elbi_i thought warty was the first release?02:35
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derJuniorhi, ist gaim-encryption availabl02:35
bob2elbi_: it is02:35
elbi_bob2: why the "out today" in topic then?02:36
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bob2elbi_: it will be released today02:36
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elbi_bob2: warty != warty warthog?02:36
joemno02:36
elbi_oh02:36
bob2elbi_: they're the same thing02:36
elbi_why rerelease then?02:37
elbi_i'm confused02:37
bob2it hasn't been released yet02:37
joemwarty has its official release today02:37
bob2so far thewre were previews and betas and release candidates02:37
elbi_oh :)02:37
sikkhwhat about warty-security and -updates02:39
sikkh?02:39
bob2what about them?02:39
bob2it will get security updates as needed.02:40
sikkhah thx02:40
sikkhso add to apt sources02:40
derJuniorhas someone gaim-encryption running?02:40
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sikkhwhere can I read about what's in universe, multiverse and stuff?02:41
sikkhand how it relates to main02:42
__danielsikkh, synaptic has a "sections" view02:42
sikkhnever tried synaptic, just dpkg and aptitude02:42
sikkhwill try that02:42
elbi_is warty-updates new at security.ubuntu.com?02:42
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elbi_it wasn't added by the warty rc installation02:43
LinuxJonessikkh, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view02:43
deFryskjustdave, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:43
deFrysksorry wrong post02:44
sikkhshould I add to apt sources security.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ ?02:45
sikkhfor security updates?02:45
bob2deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted02:46
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bob2but it's there by default...02:46
bob2win3702:46
elbi_what about warty-updates, bob202:46
deFryskI added this line : deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted02:46
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deFryskit works fine but has no updates unfortunately02:46
JanneMwhere can I find the kernel config file used for the kernel builds?02:46
Ngzcat /proc/config.gz02:47
Ng;)02:47
bob2JanneM: /boot/config-`uname -r`02:47
JanneMah, ok02:47
sikkhbob2 no it's not I'm dist-upgrading from debian testing ;)02:47
JanneMhm, I did a search, but didn't find that02:47
JanneMI'll look there02:47
deFrysksorry I ment this line : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe02:47
LinuxJonesJanneM, in /boot02:47
JanneMI'll look02:48
deFryskgeez I need coffee02:48
elbi_bob2: let me ask again, warty-updates at security.ubuntu.com, what is this for?02:49
bob2elbi_: no idea.02:50
spivelbi_: It's for security updates to warty after warty is released.02:50
spivelbi_: If it turns out that e.g. firefox has a security hole after warty is released, it'll get patched and an update with the fix will be there.02:51
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deFryskdoes warty have xorg included ?02:51
Keybukno, but hoary will02:51
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deFryskdarn02:51
giardis there a way to install xorg now for those who want it?02:51
elbi_spiv: oh, and warty-security is for?02:52
LinuxJonesgiard, you can compile it from source 02:52
justdavehmm, the linux-restricted-modules for powerpc won't install.02:52
elbi_spiv: i can't really figure out the difference02:52
spivelbi_: Oh,  sorry that's what warty-security is for :)02:52
spivelbi_02:52
justdaveall the virtual packages are there, but the actual version-specific one isn't.02:52
elbi_spiv: :) you don't know about the other one?02:53
deFryskwill there also will be a hoary iso (for testing)  available soon ?02:53
sikkhI'd appreciate if someone /msg me their apt sources, since I'm not sure I got it right (upgraded from debian testing)02:53
sikkhTIA02:53
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spivelbi_: warty-updates is for non-security updates after release, I expect.02:56
bipolarIs there a simple way to set my laptop up to use apm instead of acpi with ubuntu?02:56
elbi_spiv: maybe :)02:56
bob2bipolar: load the apm module.02:56
bob2elbi_: just ask on the ubuntu-users list.02:56
spivelbi_: e.g. safe fixes to major bugs that the distro team have time to fix... I expect most of the work will be on hoary, though.02:56
Treenaksbob2: don't forget to suplpy acpi=off on the kernel ocmmand line..02:57
Treenaksbipolar: also, why would you want APM if your machine supports ACPI?02:57
elbi_bob2: yes, but if one of you knew02:57
bob2ah, yes, good point02:57
bob2Treenaks: apm works better with some machines02:57
bob2like the t41, iirc02:57
Treenaksbob2: only old ones I hope?02:58
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deFryskso how many minutes left for the servers to get overloaded ?02:59
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TreenaksdeFrysk: ~ 3 hours, maybe? :)02:59
deFryskooh :)02:59
KamiondeFrysk: it'll take a little while to get warty and sid merged to produce hoary03:00
KamiondeFrysk: I expect we'll be able to have extremely raw hoary ISOs available in maybe a couple of weeks03:01
deFryskKamion, great03:01
TreenaksKamion: I think he means "when will so many people try to download the ISOs that the site goes down in flames"03:01
TheMusoGetting Warty won't be a problem for those of us who already have Warty preview installed, so we won't overload the servers too much is we have been keeping up to date.03:01
bob2there's been a lot of churn since the preview03:02
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Dekkardknow of any fixes for cdrom cdtection for gcombust or eroaster?03:02
TheMusobob2: But if one keeps up to date, there surely won't be much in the way of updated packages?03:02
deFrysktoo bad we have to wait for xorg a bit longer :(03:02
Dekkardits giving me fits03:02
bob2TheMuso: oh, right03:02
TreenaksdeFrysk: why? with all the driver backports X4.3 is almost the same..03:02
TreenaksdeFrysk: except for the new extensions, which are highly experimental anyway03:02
Ngexperimental, but pretty and shiny ;)03:03
Ngpeople like shiny ;)03:03
deFryskTreenaks, the eurosupport in ubuntu is poor now03:03
deFryskI mis the us_int setting 03:03
Ngpersonally I am more interested in the inherant goodness of double buffering, I couldn't care less about "true" transparency ;)03:03
TreenaksdeFrysk: just switch to UTF-8, that has nothing to do with X03:03
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deFryskbut where can I get us international ?03:03
elbi_deFrysk: works just fine here03:04
deFrysknot on mine03:04
TreenaksdeFrysk: it's called us_intl03:04
Ngprobably a silly question, but does ubuntu have pretty good dialup support/configuration?03:04
bob2some people don't use utf-8? ;-)03:04
bob2Ng: pppconfig like debian03:04
bob2or the gnome one03:04
Nga friend just asked me and it's been so long since I used a modem that I have no idea ;)03:04
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Ngbob2: cool03:04
deFryskutf8 rulez03:04
elbi_alt gr+e = ?03:05
deFryskTreenaks, I' ll try it03:05
Dekkardafter running slack for 2 yrs.. i feel like a complete n00b03:05
umangood03:06
Dekkardhehe03:06
TreenaksdeFrysk: I don't really like us_intl, because of the dead keys03:06
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deFryskTreenaks,  works now thank you :)03:08
TreenaksdeFrysk: I use compose C = for that :) 03:09
deFryskI S03:09
deFrysk;p03:09
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TreenaksdeFrysk: 03:09
Treenakstry that one ;)03:09
darkersatanicTreenaks: What's The Problem?03:10
deFryskno clue ho to do that hehe03:11
deFrysk03:11
darkersatanicdeFrysk: AltGr-*03:11
darkersatanic(Or AltGr-Shift-8, however you want to look at it)03:11
JanneM03:11
darkersatanicJanneM: I'm missing about half those in this font. :(03:12
deFrysk?03:12
psiJanneM wins :)03:12
deFryskgr ?03:12
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JanneMheh03:12
JanneMdarkersatanic: you on ubuntu?03:12
darkersatanicdeFrysk: RightAlt.03:12
darkersatanicJanneM: Not on this machine. This is Debian. The Ubuntu machine is at home.03:12
JanneMok03:12
deFryskdarkersatanic, no go :s03:12
JanneMI think uuntu have the needed fonts by default03:13
darkersatanicJanneM: I'll try it when I get home this evening. :)03:13
psithey show up fine here03:13
JanneMnot sure if you need to run UTF-8, though03:13
darkersatanicI do anyway. That's not a problem.03:13
Kamionanyone here running an Ubuntu cdimage mirror?03:14
deFrysk 03:14
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JanneMcan't see that one03:14
deFryskneither can I hehe03:14
deFryskwondered if someone could03:14
JanneMu0006 - some low ascii control 03:14
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JanneMnot a printable char03:14
darkersatanicACK, according to www.asciitable.com03:15
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Scognitohi all03:17
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Dekkardwhip??03:19
mirak_-warty?03:19
TheMusoNot yet.03:19
mirak_-they set a time?03:19
tcketa 40 mins ..maybe03:20
TheMuso15:00 UTC from what I heard.03:20
mirak_-or just "hoping" to get everything done?03:20
deFryskso that will be 4pm my time :)03:20
tckthey jsut added http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-rc-live-i386.iso 03:20
tckso its prob. up but under a link somewhere :)03:20
mirak_-15;00 UTC = ? EASTERN03:20
bob2chill everyone.03:20
bob2it's out when it's out.03:20
TheMusoTrue.03:21
bob2nothing much is going to change, the distro team don't need more stress :)03:21
Treenaksmirak_-: try running " TZ=UTC date " from a shell03:21
spivI'm sure it'll be announced on ubuntu-annouce  when it's available :)03:21
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mirak_-bob2, I was hoping it comes out soon....i wont be able to udgrade for 8 hours.....i want the server to die down some03:21
Treenaksbob2: but.. but.. I want to know when the release is so I can prepare the champagne!03:21
mirak_-treenaks, windows box :(03:21
Scognitois there a way to download automatically an image for a directory containing an album of a single artist?03:21
bob2mirak_-: nothing much will change from now to then03:21
Treenaksmirak_-: google for a world clock..03:21
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Scognitofrom nautilus i mean03:21
Kamiongeorgia: you can03:22
georgiai'l just do that later then :)03:22
bob2georgia: this is (based on)-Debian, of course you can dist-upgrade :)03:22
deFryskwill there be a .torrent around for ubuntu ?03:22
bob2Treenaks: hah, well that's a good reason :)03:22
bob2deFrysk: yes.03:22
mirak_-georgia, or synaptic upgrade03:22
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deFryskbob2, cool03:22
bob2deFrysk: there are torrents for the prereleases, alredy.03:22
georgiai'm likley to be out, and i can ssh into my box later and by the time i get home it will be done :)03:22
deFryskbob2, never checked to be honest , but its good to know :)03:23
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georgiadeFrysk: are you running one of the pre releases?03:23
deFryskgeorgia, /me runs the dayly of 2 days ago03:23
deFryskso of the 18th03:24
georgiaso wy bother downloading the iso again, why nto just upgrade the one you're running?03:24
deFryskgeorgia, I will upgrade, but also get me an iso03:24
georgiafairy nuff03:24
TreenaksI need the "new" ISO so I can upgrade a friends PC.. she doesn't have a 'net connection03:24
deFryskbut use torrent to get it , for there is no hurry03:24
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tom_catwhen ?03:25
tom_cati am eager03:25
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georgiatom_cat: be patient, it will be out when it's out, and not a minute before03:25
TheMusoQuoting bob2: It's out when it's out.03:26
Treenaks"RSN"03:26
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Kamiontom_cat: few hours03:26
tom_catgeorgia: you mean that it is out today ?03:26
Kamiontom_cat: it will be out in a few hours.03:27
georgiatom_cat: yeah, its in the topic for the channel, give it a few hours03:27
=== tom_cat upgrade my ubuntu box daily :-)
Kamionif you upgrade, you don't need the new iso; there'll be no further package changes before release03:27
Kamionunless something disastrous happens03:27
tom_catKamion: I hope that03:27
deFryskwill the .torrentlink be published at the same time ?03:27
tom_catOh, I need Gaim 1.0.1 for Ubuntu03:28
georgiaKamion: so the dist upgrade i did about 12 hours ago is pretty much the final release, give or take a few small changes?03:28
Treenakstom_cat: 03:28
JanneMyep03:28
Treenakstom_cat: "need" ?03:28
tom_catTreenaks:  yeah, I really need03:28
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Treenakstom_cat: what's wrong with 1.0.0 ?03:29
deFryskno more pictures03:29
TreenaksdeFrysk: you can now choose them.. they seem to have been un-defaulted03:29
Kamiongeorgia: give or take03:29
KamiondeFrysk: yes03:29
deFryskTreenaks, wise decision03:29
tom_catTreenaks: Gaim 1.0 may cause Evolution crash03:29
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TreenaksdeFrysk: wise, but I still think people should stop over-reacting03:30
tom_catTreenaks:  you should read Gaim site03:30
deFryskTreenaks, agree 03:30
tom_catoh well, take your time03:30
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Treenakstom_cat: then you'll want 1.0.203:31
tom_catTreenaks: yeah ;-) by apt-get upgrade03:31
tom_catsometime in fur03:31
tom_catI do `apt-get upgrade' daily :-)03:32
deFryskgeez never noticed the .torrents on the downloadmirrors03:35
tom_catTreenaks:  should I do `apt-get upgrade' or `apt-get dist-upgrade' when official is out ?03:35
deFryskblind me03:35
Treenakstom_cat: your choice03:35
tom_catokie, thanks03:35
Scognitohow can i enable music view on nautilus?03:38
Scognitook solved03:39
TreenaksScognito: how?03:40
Scognitoinstalling nautils-media03:40
Scognitobtw what i need is to have a directory with the image of the album03:40
Treenaksof course :)03:40
Scognitolike windows does03:40
agenteohow can I add new fonts in ubuntu?03:40
ukaszagenteo, make a directory .fonts03:41
ukaszand put true type fonts there03:41
spivagenteo: Go to fonts:/// in nautilus.03:42
spivagenteo: Just drag and drop noew fonts into that folder.03:42
lupus_can someone give me the vmware on ubuntu guide :)03:42
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giardis monodevelop available for ubuntu?03:45
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Treenaksyes03:46
giardI tried "apt-get install monodevelop" but it didn't find it03:47
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Meridianre all03:47
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bob2giard: it's not built on ppc at least03:47
giardI'm on 686 here03:48
Meridiani like to install my scanner in ubuntu, where i found man to the scanner install ?03:48
TreenaksMeridian: USB scanner? just plug it in and start the scanner app, I guess?03:49
MeridianTreenaks: what is the name of the scanner apps ?03:49
TreenaksMeridian: it's in the menu03:49
TreenaksMeridian: under graphicsw03:49
Meridianmy scanner is a Canonscan 500f03:49
Treenakss/w/03:49
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Meridianseraching03:49
agenteospiv: :-\ I've copied the ttf I need, I've copies them in a dir then I've dragged them from nautilus to the fonts:/// window03:50
agenteospiv: but they are not copied03:50
kentgiard, add this to your sourcec.list by hand or with synaptic: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/03:50
agenteois there a text way to add them?03:50
spivagenteo: cp foo.ttf ~/.fonts, iirc.03:50
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dellahi guys03:51
kentgiard, monodevelop can be found there.03:51
giardkent: thanks03:51
dellaI installed ubuntu upgrading from sarge03:51
Treenakskent: monodevelop is in universe now, I guess (at least, it's in the pool)03:51
dellaall is fine and well, but the trash icon disappeared from my desktop :-)03:51
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agenteospiv: what if I need thoose fonts for all the users?03:51
veleshello world !03:51
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tom_cathehe, so pls uncomment the "universe" section in /etc/apt/source.lists03:52
spivagenteo: I don't know, sorry :/03:53
spivagenteo: You probably need to put them in a path that X can find them.03:53
spivagenteo: See the font path stuff in XF86Config-403:53
bob2it's a fontconfig thing03:53
bob2 /etc/fonts/fonts.conf03:53
spivbob2: Ah.03:54
bob2well, for most apps03:54
bob2old-skool stuff uses the X config03:54
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giardkent: it's been a little while, I'm not sure how to do this.  When I add that as a source I get an error when I apt-get upgrade03:55
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agenteobob2: I remember something about fontconfig, but man fontconfig gives nothing03:56
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bob2yes, edit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf03:56
agenteobob2: and the fonts.conf is not clear to me03:56
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bob2it's very clear03:57
bob2add a new <dir> entry03:57
agenteobob2: :-) that's all?03:57
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bob2yes.03:57
kentgiard, according to Treenaks you can find monodevelop in universe, so just uncomment universe in sources.list (or in synaptic) and it should work.03:57
giardI've done that03:58
JanneMis mono in universe now, then?03:58
giardno luck03:58
ukaszbob2, dont you need to run fc-cache to?03:58
bob2JanneM: most of it.03:58
giardmono is, but monodevelop isn't03:58
agenteobob2: cool, I remember it was easy but while I was reading that xml... 8\03:58
bob2ukasz: I don't know.03:58
agenteobob2: I will add my fonts dir03:58
agenteobob2: thanks03:58
tom_catukasz: there is no need03:58
ukaszkk, thx03:58
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pikotais stable out ?04:02
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bob2pikota: /topic04:02
georgianot yet, later today04:02
georgialo neuro|laptop04:02
pikotaahhh04:03
pikotaweb date was 20 october04:03
Treenaksbob2: only 22 hours of today left (GMT +12 :)04:03
bob2Treenaks: hehehe04:03
pikotaahh i'm spanish04:03
Treenakswhy don't I believe that?04:03
pikotawhat's time is there ?04:03
tom_catTreenaks: haha04:03
Treenaksbecause it isn't correct..04:04
Treenakshmm04:04
Treenakshmmm..04:04
Treenaksanyway.. today is running out :)04:04
tom_cat:-)04:04
UBMikehmm hmmmm.04:04
plasmo21/10 here :)04:05
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Treenaksplasmo: 8 hours left here.. 04:06
giardsigh04:06
giardmonodevelop works until it starts trying to do syntax highlighting, then it maxes out the processor04:07
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UBMikeI get a fatal hw_random module error on boot. where do I turn that puppy off?04:07
plasmowell im from australia ;)04:07
TreenaksUBMike: _fatal_ one?04:07
TreenaksUBMike: like, the boot doesn't go on and the machine stops?04:08
UBMikeTreenaks, yup, but it aint in dmesg...04:08
giardoh, I get it, I think it's trying to parse a bunch of assemblies04:08
iz error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1 any 1 know what to do?04:08
tuxakkamy mouse collapse problem solved when I installed kde to ubuntu from universe, now with the same x-settings and kernel mouse works fine, just wonder what in gnome caused this collapse, it worked fine for a start then cursor moved in side of the monitor04:08
UBMikeTreenaks, boot is ok, just an on screen error04:08
giardwhy doesn't it just do that first time through04:08
TreenaksUBMike: then ignore it.. it just checks if the RNG is there04:08
UBMikeTreenaks, dmesg says hw_random: RNG not detected04:09
UBMikeTreenaks, but it _looks_ messy :)04:09
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littlepaul1what does synaptic apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade?04:09
mvo_littlepaul1: can do both04:10
ploumHow can I automatically reconfigure X ?04:10
ploumI've deleted the /etc/X11/XFconfig file by error04:10
mirak_-littlepaul, dist-upgrade = synaptic smart upgrade04:10
littlepaul1Thx04:10
mirak_-np04:10
mvo_ploum: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should work04:10
mirak_-but I have a question.......which would be better to do...today04:11
mirak_-apt-get upgrade...or dist-upgrade?04:11
littlepaul1i think just apt-get upgrade04:12
ploummvo_, no, it's not enough.. :-(04:12
UBMikemirak_-, no diff on my system today04:12
mirak_-ubmike, final is coming in a bit04:12
ploumno screen found04:12
deFryskdist-upgrade is handy a normal upgrade does not cover it all04:12
UBMikemirak_-, 14 packages04:12
deFrysk+ when04:13
mirak_-defrysk, so a dist-upgrade04:13
mvo_ploum: what message do you get? does "apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86" help?04:13
deFryskdist-upgrade in development repo's is not smart , for it might remove half the packages to resoflve the deps04:13
ploumno screen found04:13
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UBMikemirak_-, oh. well I won't do either for a bit then...04:13
ploumI think it doesn't have the resolutions04:14
Treenaksplasmo: 04:14
Treenaksuhh.. ploum04:14
mirak_-defrysk, but final is released in a bit....that is what I am asking..for the final 04:14
mirak_-upgrade from pre-view to final04:14
deFryskmirak_ , if upgrade does not cover all the deps you can always do a dist-upgrade after04:15
mirak_-defrysk.......kk04:15
deFryskconsider the dist-upgrade option as adding/removing packages to resolve the deps , a normal update does not remove packages04:15
deFryskso might not reslolve all the deps04:16
deFryskgeez stupid spelling04:16
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UBMikewell, /me is off to bed...04:18
UBMikebbl.04:18
mirak_-off to bed.....its 10:20am04:20
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jonolugradio season 2 episode 1 is released!!04:21
jono:)04:21
Ngjono: what's lugradio?04:21
georgiaooh!04:22
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jonoNg, its a pretty sarcastic and comedic linux radio show04:22
jonoI am part of the lugradio team04:22
jonowww.lugradio.org04:22
jonoits not dry technical conversation but piss taking and jibes at each other - its fun :)04:22
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darkersatanicjono: I still haven't forgiven you for that interview you sprung on me earlier this year, you bastard. ;)04:22
jonodarkersatanic, who are you?04:23
darkersatanicHugo Mills. :)04:23
Ngjono: ahh04:23
jonoahhh heya Hugo :)04:23
Ngjono: I'll take a listen :)04:23
jonoNg, cool :)04:23
Ngjono: I thought it might be a lug thing ;)04:23
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jonodarkersatanic, still look like Linus? :P04:23
jonoNg, no, quite the opposite04:23
darkersatanic:P not to mention :04:24
jono:)04:24
jonowe pimp ubuntu in the next episode :)04:25
ploumI have two cursor on my desktop !04:27
bob2does one not move?04:27
ploumA black cross (unix style) and the normal one :-(04:27
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Treenaksploum: do you have a card with a Savage chipset?04:28
ploumHow can I removeyes :-)04:28
bob2ploum: is theere one in the middle that does not move?04:28
ploumyes04:28
Treenaksploum: (adding Option "SWCursor" "true" to the "Device" section might help)04:28
bob2daniels: ^ swcursor04:28
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danielsseems to be a sensible savage default04:29
danielsfabbione: should we make SWCursor the default on Savage?04:29
danielsthe amount of Savage cursor reports I've seen is totally disproportionate to the number of Savage users ;)04:29
bob2is that a driver or card bug?04:30
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ploumit doesnt work04:31
fabbionedaniels: there are is a huge update of the savage driver between Xfree86 and X.org04:31
fabbionei would say to wait and see04:31
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fabbionethat's one of the thing i was checking this morning04:31
danielsfabbione: yeah, but remember we already patch in a crapload of the savage updates ourselves04:31
danielstwini used to distribute it from his site -- he might still do so, though I doubt it04:32
fabbionedaniels: not at all04:32
danielsso I backported it and applied to XFree86 ... this was probably a couple of months before 6.704:32
danielsoh wow, he's still been working? awesome04:32
fabbionewe have a backport of the 1.2.7t driver04:32
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fabbionebut that's only for Xfree8604:32
fabbionefor X.org the driver is much more complete04:32
fabbioneeven if tagged version 1.2.604:32
fabbioneerhm04:32
fabbione1.2.704:33
fabbioneit has dri and all sort of extra crap04:33
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danielsawesome04:34
danielsbdale: dude! yo.04:34
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bdaledaniels: dude04:34
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fabbionehey bdale04:35
bdalefabbione: howdy04:37
mjg59daniels: I've got the craptop ready and waiting for VIA driver updates...04:37
fabbionemjg59: if you want you can try the unichrome stuff04:38
fabbionethey have a patch for debian 04:38
fabbionebut last we tested it was pure crack04:38
danielsmjg59: at the moment, as fabbione alluded to, you get to pick which half of the deployed Via userbase you want to screw04:39
danielsmjg59: yay!04:39
mjg59Haha04:40
mjg59So the newer code breaks older stuff?04:40
Treenaksthe new driver is nice on my EPIA, but it looks like the TV-Out part assumes that my TV is twice as wide as it is or something04:40
Treenakswhile it's "almost perfect" on the old driver04:40
fabbionemjg59: seems so04:41
Treenakshowever, XvMC is nice..04:41
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danielsmjg59: yeah, I think it totally screwed DFP users also04:42
Treenaksdaniels: dfp?04:42
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tsengarrr, mxpxpod04:43
danielsTreenaks: digital flat panel04:43
fabbionemjg59: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/unichrome/999_debian-xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1-7-unichrome_X_r26.diff.gz?download04:43
mxpxpodtseng: whassamatter?04:43
Treenaksdaniels: ah.. afaik they're working on that.04:43
tsengmxpxpod: zao > *04:43
Treenaksdaniels: (I read the unichrome ml)04:43
danielsTreenaks: yeah04:43
mxpxpodtseng: hehe04:43
mxpxpodtseng: you listen to them?04:43
Dekkardcan alien turn a ..lets say fedora .rpm into an ubuntu .deb?04:43
danielsTreenaks: well, they're going to work out of the xorg tree now04:43
tsengmxpxpod: of course.04:44
danielsso hopefully all the projects can get together and give us a via driver that isn't complete bong.04:44
mxpxpodtseng: good call :)04:44
mjg59So, how many days post-release does it take until we get Xorg pacakges? :)04:44
tsengmjg59: it will be in hoary04:44
fabbionemjg59: i am working on patch forward-port atm04:44
fabbionemjg59: i would say end of november for something that can actually be installed and work04:45
fabbionemjg59: not sure about upgrading from Xfree86 tho..04:45
mxpxpodtseng: now, I need to figure out how to set up sshd on os x04:45
fabbionethat is going to be hard04:45
danielsfabbione: not too bad04:46
mxpxpodtseng: nevermind, I got it :)04:46
danielsfabbione: the hardest thing will be managing the /usr/X11R6->/usr transition04:46
fabbionedaniels: that's the one i am thinking about :-))04:46
danielsfabbione: luckily almost all the packages that use /usr/X11R6 (with the exception of some ghostscript fonts) are ours (xfree86, xrender, etc)04:46
fabbionedaniels: if they are not we will kill the maintianer04:46
fabbionedaniels: simply because of policy04:46
bob2haha04:47
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rjekWhere's the repository with mplayer in?04:48
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mjg59rjek: Isn't it in universe?04:49
Kamionrjek: multiverse04:49
Kamion(a.k.a. unsupported/non-free)04:49
rjekRight.04:49
WW_Is there a command to find out all the packages that I have installed from a certain repository? (In this case, Marillat's)04:50
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bob2apt-show-versions can do that.04:50
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apokahola 04:53
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apokaalguien sabe algun repositorio para descargar mplayer04:54
jordiapoka: search for "debian marillat" in google04:55
WW_bob2: Thanks. (Delayed reponse because I had to clean up spilled tea.)04:55
apokaok04:55
WW_Didn't someone just say mplayer is in multiverse?04:55
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KamionWW_: believe so ...04:55
jordilol, yes04:55
jordi16:49 < rjek> Where's the repository with mplayer in?04:55
jordi16:49 < mjg59> rjek: Isn't it in universe?04:55
jordiwas scrolled up04:56
rjekHmm, OK.  mplayer crashes.04:56
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apokabut it is worth the one of debian?04:56
rjek"Illegal instruction" just having read the config file.04:56
deweyok I am having trouble getting my cd burner to work in ubuntu?04:57
apokaI use repositorios to universe04:57
bob2rjek: which package did you instll?04:58
apokain order to mplayer use repositorios but it seems that they do not estan well04:58
deweyhmmm I have mplayer from source installed and it works fine for me.04:59
Scognitowhere i can get muine?04:59
WW_apoka: Hay un repositorio se llaman "multiverse" (sorry for the high school spanish)04:59
apokaI want to install mplayer without compiling I want it to do with apt04:59
rjekbob2: The one in multiverse.05:00
apokaNo hay espaoles por aqui xD05:00
bob2rjek: no, which *exact* package?05:00
rjekWhich would appear to be mplayer-custom.05:00
rjekGiven there's no "mplayer" package AFAICS.05:00
entr0pyapoka, #ubuntu-es 05:00
entr0py;)05:00
apokaxD05:00
SepheeBearget mplayer from marillat's testing repo05:00
JanneMmarillat's repo has it05:00
rjekWhere is this repo?  I asked that a few minutes ago, and people pointed me at multiverse.05:01
apokathank entr0py05:01
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vincentScognito: try to search mono apps on the wiki05:01
SepheeBeardeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main05:01
Scognitook vincent tnx05:01
JanneMrjek: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=marillat05:02
JanneMrjek: that page has instructions for a bunch of stuff like mplayer05:02
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rjekTa.05:02
Ngis there any difference between the marillat mplayer and the multiverse mplayer?05:02
WW_I started using Marillat's repo before multiverse was availble (or before I knew about it). Now I'm trying to find out what I can get from multiverse instead of Marillat.05:03
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WW_For example, is libdvdcss (or libdvdcss2) in multiverse?05:03
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WW_Wait, don't hit me, I can check that myself :-)05:04
rjeki JUST FOUND THAT THE ONE IN THE MULTIVERSE DIDN'T WORK :)05:04
Treenaksrjek: please, don't shout05:05
rjekBuggering capslock.05:05
rjekThis keyboard has no capslock LED.  Apologies.05:05
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deweyok I just set-up k3b as per how-to-for-ubuntu and it does not see my burner and same for xcdroast?05:05
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mrjivehi *05:08
WW_rjek: What kind of computer do you have?05:08
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WW_rjek: Marillat might be for 386 only?05:09
Ngthat's true actually05:09
Ngmarillat is i386 only05:09
tsengit looks like stuff in marillat is getting ahead of warty btw05:10
tsenghas anyone started backporting?05:10
NgI was wondering if there were differences in the actual packages, e.g. does the multiverse one do w32codecs support05:10
Ngnot that that matters, since I'm not on i386 ;)05:10
ChuchoAnyone have any advice for getting my parallel port to show up so I can print to it?05:10
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WW_Ng: I just tried searching the packages file for multiverse, and I didn't find w32codecs or libdvdcss.05:10
Chuchothe parport module is loaded, not sure what else I need to do05:10
NgWW_: indeed, although the mplayer binary could still support the w32codecs (since it just loads them from a directory)05:11
WW_Ng: I see.05:11
Ngif the one in multiverse doesn't have dvd/w32 support then it's gonna probably confuse a lot of people :/05:11
Elw0odwhat about nvidia binaries?05:12
Elw0odapt-get install nvdia-glx?05:12
WW_Elw0od: See the wiki faq.05:12
deweyChucho: did you add printer?05:12
mirak_-I have a question about dvd software....you know the dvd player that comes with dvd's that require it for special features.....is there anything like that for linux?05:12
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Chuchodewey: yes, but in location it is blank, and in /dev I don't have lp005:12
Elw0odtnz05:13
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Ngmirak_-: nope05:13
Chuchodewey: which is the way I am "used" to doing it05:13
Ngmirak_-: unless it runs in wine05:13
deweyChucho: what printer?05:13
mirak_-ng, bummer...but oh well...i wouldn't run it in wine ne ways...i hate it...but thnx05:13
Ngmirak_-: at least we can do dvd menus :)05:13
Chuchodewey: HP LaserJet 6p05:13
deweyI have an epson color stylus 860 and I had mine working after I rebooted.05:13
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Chuchodewey: was your a parallel printer?05:13
Ngmirak_: I don't mind missing out on some web enabled nonsense so long as I can click my way to the film ;)05:14
CraHanhi everyone05:14
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mirak_-ng, I havent quite got dvd's working in ubuntu yet......05:14
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CraHanI'm having problems with gstreamer and alsa05:14
CraHanwhen I set gstreamer-properties to use alsa05:14
deweyChucho: yes and I used add printer05:14
Chuchocan you tell me what the "location" field says?05:14
CraHanit complains that it couldn't create the alsasink test pipeline05:14
CraHanbeep-media-player works fine with alsa though05:14
CraHanso I'm sure alsa in itself is working nicely05:15
CraHanjust gstreamer seems to be choking on it05:15
mirak_-anyone know why cd player doesn't have sound.....but I have system sound.....05:15
deweyChucho: open system configuration > printer and what happens when you add printer?05:15
CraHanmirak_-: set the mixer cd volume higer05:15
Ngmirak_-: checked the mixer? the cd volume could be silenced05:16
CraHanmirak_-: probably your cd volume is either muted or set to 005:16
Chuchodewey: it adds it just fine, but can't find the location, I was curious what your location field says, so I can try to track down where it "should" be05:16
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mirak_-crahan, ng, im am almost positive I set it all the way up, I could listen to the cd in another app.....just cd player wouldn't work05:16
CraHanhmm05:16
mirak_-crahen, nothing I can do about it now..im a t work...just wondering if it is a bug or anything05:17
Ngmirak_-: ah, doh05:17
TheMusomirak_-: Is there an analog CD cable from your drive to your sound card?05:17
deweyChucho: hmmm mine did see it is on lp005:17
mirak_-themuso, no.....and I bet that that is why05:17
mirak_-themuso, good thinking05:17
deweyChucho: connection is local printer05:18
TheMusoThe best bet is to probably use a media player, and use a CD plugin that performs digital audio extraction to play the sound. Gstreamer has such a plugin I think.05:18
TheMusoSound-juicer uses that plugin so I know it is part of the default gstreamer install.05:18
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mirak_-themuso, thnx....its not really a big deal, I don't listen to music cd's on my comp, that much......i was ust wondering "WHY"05:19
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TheMusomirak_-: np05:19
Chuchodewey: must be a problem with my parallel port then, thanks for your help05:19
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CraHanso, anyone have any idea what might be causing gstreamer-properties to not be able to create the alsa test pipeline ?05:20
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tckhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ --> its out05:23
mrjive:))05:23
tcktorrent --> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent05:24
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TheMusoHowever, an update -> dist-upgrade is under way. :)05:25
TheMusoAlthough there are no new packages to fetch. :)05:25
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Kamiontck: still being sanity-checked05:27
deFryskits out 05:27
deFrysk:)05:27
izits out? what?05:28
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deFryskhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/warty-install-i386.iso05:28
izfriese elfsteden tocht?05:28
deFrysk:D05:28
izoh :)05:28
Mitarionot out oficially though :)05:28
izcewl05:29
TheMusoKamion said it was still being sanity-checked.05:29
deFryskMitario, I can assure you , thats the one :)05:29
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TheMusoYou lot are so impatient.05:29
Mitarioyea, i know, but there's no announcement yet :)05:29
Ngthe torrents are only 10 minutes old and the isos are 16 hours old. that suggests the sanity checking ought to be done by now, especially if the torrents are there ;)05:29
|Erndil|then the final release is out?05:30
Kamionthe sanity-checking is of the release tree05:30
Ngbut until someone says "it's out" I guess it's not ;)05:30
izits bigger05:30
Kamionnot of the ISOs themselves05:30
Ngfair enough05:30
deFryskthat directory was not there before and neither was the iso, I am getting it as I spek 05:30
deFryskspeak05:30
tck|Erndil|, pretty much now05:30
|Erndil|ok thank you!05:31
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izdeFrysk, is there also a mand64 version?05:32
izerr amd64 version05:33
KamionNg: the torrents in particular don't seem to work yet, we're working on it05:33
WW_bob2: I didn't find the command "apt-show-versions", but I found I could Synaptic and search for Marillat in the Maintainer field.05:33
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TheMusoWW_: Do an apt-cache search apt-show-versions and you will find it is a separate package.05:33
NgKamion: ok, sorry I assumed too much :)05:34
agenteoi'm tring to burn a cd with ubundu with sudo cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -blank=fast but I've got this error: http://www.pastebin.com/11197805:34
WW_TheMuso: Aha! Thanks.05:34
Ngagenteo: why 0,0,0?05:34
Ngis your writer /dev/hda?05:34
iz:)05:34
Ngagenteo: (it's almost certainly not /dev/hda ;)