[12:00] <jdub> no way
[12:00] <JStrike> I saw edds stuff
[12:00] <joem> http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
[12:00] <jdub> bt == bluetooth to me
[12:00] <JStrike> heh. So it was someone being confused :-)
[12:00] <Kamion> bluez :)
[12:00] <joem> gnome bittorrent client
[12:00] <edd>  /me . must. code. more.
[12:00] <JStrike> hey edd
[12:00] <jdub> edd!
[12:00] <mirak_> ww_, i made it home
[12:01] <edd> hey, lovers of short range radio.
[12:01] <JStrike> joem : can you start it on its own? It just dies on me
[12:01] <joem> JStrike, yea it works fine
[12:01] <JStrike> Was frantically trying to get hold of you last week
[12:02] <dolphy> hiya
[12:02] <dolphy> quick question
[12:02] <JStrike> Anybody know there python?
[12:02] <JStrike> What does this mean?
[12:02] <JStrike> \AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'FILE_CHOOSER_ACTION_OPEN'
[12:03] <dolphy> i plugged a DV camera to my firewire port i see /dev/raw1394 device initialized in the dmesg output but the device is not in /dev
[12:03] <dolphy> how can i get it ?
[12:03] <Mitario> anyone happens to run os X? :)
[12:03] <mirak_> mitario, i used to beta test it
[12:04] <Mitario> hmm, happen to have a screenshot of the software updates window?
[12:04] <mirak_> lol....sorry
[12:04] <khronic> okay whats the trick to getting totem to actually *play* video files (.mpeg, .mov, etc) :)
[12:05] <mirak_> mitario, what do you need help with?
[12:05] <vincent> khronic : apt-get install totem-xine
[12:05] <dolphy> khronic: installing gstreamer-ffmpeg
[12:05] <Mitario> the expander thingies in my current design don't make any sense actually
[12:06] <JStrike> Ahh...all my answers lie in bugzilla
[12:06] <khronic> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:06] <Mitario> mirak_, have any ideas?
[12:07] <xskoulax> woot ati working
[12:07] <dolphy> khronic: you can download the gst-ffmpeg tarball and build it manually
[12:07] <vincent> do you have universe source configured ?
[12:07] <xskoulax> ubuntu 0wn3z me
[12:07] <dolphy> khronic: then you'll get support for patented files
[12:08] <khronic> universe source?
[12:08] <swim> how can I install an rpm ?
[12:08] <khronic> run redhat
[12:08] <khronic> hehe
[12:08] <xskoulax> lol @ khronic 
[12:08] <Kamion> alien
[12:09] <Phr0stByte> or Mandrake...
[12:09] <beezly> swim: what RPM is it?
[12:09] <JStrike> if someone would package gstreamer-ffmpeg, a lot of people would be gratefull
[12:09] <vincent> https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=totem-xine
[12:09] <khronic> or any other rpm based distro
[12:09] <khronic> :)
[12:09] <Kamion> are you sure that .rpm isn't available in some form in universe, though?
[12:09] <swim> beezly it's baghira for kde
[12:09] <PenguinBoy> lol knronic
[12:09] <khronic> thanks for the link vincent
[12:10] <vincent> no problem
[12:10] <rjek> Two problems with the Ubuntu installer I discovered today:
[12:11] <rjek> It doesn't detect the Windows installation if Windows isn't installed on the first partition.
[12:11] <rjek> Second of all (which might be related to the first) it doesn't ask if your system clock stores local time or UTC.
[12:11] <beezly> swim: it's pretty unpleasant to alien an rpm to a deb then install it
[12:11] <swim> beezly, can you assist?
[12:11] <rjek> (So every time you swap between Windows and Linux, the clock gets buggered.)
[12:11] <xskoulax> rjek problem 2 is a pain
[12:11] <xskoulax> i agree
[12:11] <beezly> swim: try the debian packages at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12498
[12:11] <swim> beezly ok thanks
[12:12] <rjek> The second issue I doubt I'd have noticed half the year here :)
[12:12] <swim> beezly oh Ive been trying that but have been getting problems
[12:12] <beezly> swim: i don't know if it'll work, but it's better to try and install a debian package than alien an rpm
[12:12] <beezly> swim: what kind of problems?
[12:12] <cristian> is there anything to manage init script and runlevels from command line (please, not update-rc.d)? something similar to rc-update of gentoo would be great
[12:13] <beezly> cristian: rm and ln ?
[12:13] <cristian> beezly: ahah
[12:14] <swim> beezly lets see: let me try again, I had problems last time I tried... yesterday... where is sources.list?
[12:14] <beezly> swim: /etc/apt
[12:14] <swim> thx'
[12:15] <wolf2945> Kamion, md5sum matches, burning it again, hopefully it will work this time
[12:15] <beezly> cristian: hey, I change all my runlevel stuff with rm and ln :) i don't trust this fancy "script" stuff :)
[12:16] <cristian> beezly: if you have a lot of time to waste you can also use magnets on your hard disk ;)
[12:17] <beezly> cristian: what's wrong with update-rc.d?
[12:17] <warty> I am using the Warty RC3 Live CD.  How can I
[12:17] <swim> beezly Im trying again, but would I have a problem trying to install that package using x86_64 ?
[12:17] <warty> manually configure the network?
[12:18] <beezly> swim: ah right
[12:18] <cristian> beezly: it's criptic, it has a confusing syntax. I prefer rm and ln like you suggest
[12:19] <warty> Application -> System Tools -> Network Tools -> configure
[12:19] <warty> wants a root password...
[12:19] <cristian> beezly: gentoo rc-update has the beautiful feature of understanding dependencies between services
[12:19] <beezly> cristian: ok
[12:20] <beezly> cristian: it's a bit OT, but if gentoo has dependancies, can it run init.d stuff in parallel?
[12:20] <joem> beezly, as long are the deps are met, yea
[12:21] <beezly> joem: presumably, if the deps aren't met things fail?!
[12:21] <joem> it won't start a service until the service it depends on has started
[12:22] <cristian> beezly: i can't answer your question because I don't use gentoo. This tool was showed to me by a gentoo user with I had a word
[12:22] <swim> :) beezly ah right I would? or ah right something else?
[12:22] <beezly> ah right
[12:23] <beezly> swim: I don't know tbh... I've not installed x86_64 yet
[12:23] <cristian> beezly: IIRC the guy said to me that parallel scripts are actually planned for the future
[12:23] <beezly> the only AMD64 box I have access to is my younger brothers, and he'll whinge if he can't play warcraft ;)
[12:24] <beezly> cristian: update-rc.d doesn't look to cryptic... what are you trying to get it to do?
[12:24] <xskoulax> warty: it would be looking for your user password
[12:24] <adam_> are there any sites that have addons to the panel?
[12:24] <warty> OK.  What is that on the live CD?  It appears to be null, which doesn't work
[12:24] <warty> changing it to something else using passwd doesn't work either
[12:24] <xskoulax> ahhh lamont ^
[12:25] <warty> ?????
[12:25] <xskoulax> warty lamont is the livdcd maintainer i beleive
[12:25] <Kamion> rjek: I'm not aware of anything in the installer that relies on Windows being the first partition
[12:25] <xskoulax> i was trying to get his attention to your problem
[12:25] <warty> Setting a root password resulted in something like "eth0 no such device..."
[12:26] <Kamion> rjek: the way it works is by mounting every partition it can see in turn and looking around in it ...
[12:26] <Kamion> rjek: I'd like a copy of /var/log/debian-installer/syslog, if you could
[12:26] <Mitario> hmm, is there a way to downgrade a package?
[12:27] <cprov> somebody knows what does "/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 146: debian/rules: Permission denied" means ?
[12:27] <Kamion> rjek: your guess that the second problem is related to the first is entirely correct. If any other operating system is installed, it asks; if Windows is installed, it defaults to local time.
[12:27] <Kamion> cprov: chmod +x debian/rules
[12:27] <Kamion> cprov: looks like perhaps you unpacked a package not using dpkg-source -x
[12:27] <warty> Actually "The Interface eth0 doesn't exist."
[12:27] <cristian> beezly: a syntax that every time force me to re-learn how to add a service _is_ cryptic, at least to me
[12:28] <warty> I think it does...I'm currently connected using it!  :-)
[12:28] <cprov> Kamion:  ohh, thanks 
[12:28] <cristian> beezly: i'd love if it can function with only two or three parameter instead of ten ;)
[12:28] <khronic> lol..now i have video, no sound.. :)
[12:29] <xskoulax> warty: i haven't a clue only
[12:29] <swim> beezly, Im getting this along with many moreerrors: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)   
[12:29] <swim> beezly, so no way to use this right?
[12:29] <xskoulax> s/only/null
[12:29] <warty> OK.  Thanks.  I'll try the e-mail users list also...
[12:29] <beezly> swim: doesn't look like it
[12:29] <warty> At least the DHCP autodetection works...
[12:30] <swim> beezly, thats why I wanted to try one of the x86_64 rpms...
[12:30] <beezly> swim: it's really evil to do that.. you might even be better off compiling the source... or waiting til ubuntu has kde included?
[12:31] <swim> ok, I was just trying to see which was pretier gnome with milk 2.0 or kde with milk baghira :)
[12:32] <swim> especially gnome 2.8 and kde 3.3
[12:40] <mirak_> eww....ubuntu is gonna include kde
[12:40] <mirak_> i hope it is optional to install
[12:40] <Kamion> mirak_: ?
[12:40] <mirak_> kamion, yes
[12:40] <beezly> mirak_: I'm sure no-one will hold a gun to your head
[12:40] <Kamion> no, Ubuntu won't, there may be a derivative of Ubuntu which includes KDE
[12:40] <Kamion> won't> except in universe, that is
[12:40] <mirak_> kamion, kde version.....gnome version
[12:40] <mirak_> oh.....gotcha
[12:40] <vrln> there are too many kde distros around anyway :)
[12:40] <beezly> and kde is pants
[12:40] <beezly> :)
[12:40] <xskoulax> ok anyone anygood at fixing X problems?
[12:40] <mirak_> kde is gross
[12:40] <beezly> xskoulax: shoot
[12:41] <mirak_> beezly, lol
[12:41] <xskoulax> ok i've installed the fglrx drivers for my radeon 9500 pro, they work fine
[12:41] <xskoulax> problem is its displaying to wrong screen
[12:41] <mirak_> hmmm....
[12:41] <wolf2945> Kamion i guess it didnt like my laptops cdrw, used another box to burn it, went past that part
[12:41] <wolf2945> on the reboot stage now
[12:42] <xskoulax> but when i remove the 2nd display it will not display to the primary either
[12:42] <defendguin> is ubuntu going to get that update utility featured on planet gnome?
[12:42] <xskoulax> it does appear that it is attempting to display almost like its going through resoultuons or sumpthing but seems to just sit there in a loop
[12:42] <jdub> perhaps, or something like it
[12:43] <defendguin> kewl
[12:43] <beezly> hmmm
[12:44] <beezly> defendguin: oooh, that is pretty
[12:44] <defendguin> yeah would be much nicer for people who dont know synaptic
[12:45] <beezly> yeah
[12:45] <defendguin> also dont know they are supposed to hit the "refresh button"
[12:45] <beezly> would be nice for me if it just went away an apt-get update'd occasionally... and then notified me when updates were available
[12:45] <beezly> then I wouldn't waste half my day doing it apt-get by hand ;)
[12:46] <beezly> the other half of my day is wasted hitting "Send / Receive" in evo :)
[12:47] <xskoulax> beezly: 3rd half wasted on irc?
[12:47] <beezly> xskoulax: yip ;)
[12:48] <ashley_> hello mates
[12:48] <TheMuso> I like the new GDM login screen.
[12:48] <ashley_> how do i install gtk#?
[12:48] <stereo_> i like the old one
[12:48] <ashley_> I cannot find it in universE?
[12:48] <Kamion> TheMuso: "new"? :)
[12:49] <mario> ashley_, install package gnome-cil
[12:49] <ashley_> ty
[12:51] <ashley_> libgnome-cil is all I see man
[12:51] <ashley_> this is still good?
[12:51] <xskoulax> beezly: any ideas on the x issue?
[12:52] <beezly> xskoulax: i've never used those drivers...
[12:52] <xskoulax> ahhh
[12:52] <beezly> xskoulax: i understand how it works on the nvidia drivers, but not ati
[12:52] <ashley_> mario: ???
[12:52] <xskoulax> beezly: thats koo
[12:53] <ashley_> mario, is that still cool?
[12:54] <mario> ashley_, i not like mono packages from sarge, i waiting for 1.0.2 packages
[12:54] <defendguin> is there anything new/shcoking in the new ubuntu-artwork package?
[12:54] <defendguin> shocking
[12:55] <spiv> defendguin: Nothing shocking.
[12:55] <ashley_> mario, I hope they have it in the standard install, especially with the desktop being Gnome and all...
[12:55] <mario> ashley_, http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu%204.10 this page describe how add a contrib repository with mono 1.0
[12:55] <stodge> Which package is glade-- in? I just can't find it for use with the glade interface designer. THanks
[12:55] <ashley_> mario, that is to say supported, not in the universe
[12:55] <spiv> It's back to the style of the preview artwork, from what I can see.
[12:55] <Kamion> stodge: 'apt-cache search glademm'
[12:55] <jdub> ashley_: mono is in universe
[12:56] <ashley_> mario, i just finished that, but I wasn't sure if gtk# had been installed
[12:56] <stodge> libglademm2.0-1c102 - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (shared library)
[12:56] <stodge> libglademm2.0-dev - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (development files)
[12:56] <stodge> libglademm-2.4-1 - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (shared library)
[12:56] <stodge> libglademm-2.4-dev - C++ wrappers for libglade2 (development files)
[12:56] <JStrike> nice move on getting the contact lookup applet in before NLD btw. 
[12:56] <gma> what's the sounder-test iso about?
[12:56] <speel> should i install ubuntu or should i wait for the final??
[12:56] <JStrike> But why cant I send an IM from the address card?
[12:56] <ashley_> mario, jdub, sorry all , im a bit of a uneducated sap when it comes to Linux etc, just friggin around thats all
[12:56] <gma> speel, install it
[12:57] <speel> gma: good choise :P
[12:57] <jdub> speel: final is coming very soon
[12:57] <speel> yea but what changes will be made?
[12:57] <mirak_> jstrike, install now...you can upgrade to the final without re-installing
[12:58] <jdub> from yesterday's cd, quite a bit
[12:58] <mario> jdub, yes, but is a version < 1.0 (mono)
[12:58] <JStrike> mirak_ : wrong person :-)
[12:58] <Anna> Hello again. I have this ISO image I downloaded which I want to burn on CD, but 702.8KB and Nautilus is barking at me that it is too big, but apparently I'm the only one with a burning problem. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[12:59] <ashley_> do figure gconf-sharp is installed when I apt mono?
[12:59] <jdub> no
[12:59] <JStrike> ashley_ : shouldn't be
[12:59] <jdub> mario: universe has 1.x and above versions
[12:59] <Kosai> Anna: Is it warning you it's too big, or telling you you can't burn it?
[12:59] <ashley_> jdub, where do I get gconf-sharp?
[01:00] <gma> Anna, you could try running "md5sum <path/to/iso>" and comparing it to the file on the server to see if you've got the right file.
[01:00] <Anna> Kosai: It's telling it can't burn because it's too big
[01:00] <JStrike> ashley_ : What do you need it for
[01:00] <jdub> ashley_: apt-cache search gconf cil
[01:00] <Anna> GMA: The Md5 is ok, I checked it
[01:00] <ashley_> http://zapdos.codemonkey.cl/glyrics/requirements.html laugh if you will.
[01:01] <Kamion> Anna: which image?
[01:01] <JStrike> IS that a new mono app. I thought I new about all of them
[01:01] <Anna> The Kanotix live CD
[01:01] <Kamion> gma: sounder-test is what we called the milestone release CDs during the warty development cycle
[01:02] <Kamion> Anna: well, 702MB is too big for most CD media (although perhaps not all).
[01:02] <gma> Kamion, thanks. are they available via a normal download (I can't get torrents)
[01:02] <Kamion> sorry, s/most/many/
[01:02] <ashley_> JStrike, yes it is, I saw it on OSnews website today
[01:02] <Kamion> gma: yes, but you shouldn't be using them any more
[01:02] <Kamion> gma: the Warty release candidate supersedes them all
[01:02] <JStrike> I wonder whose handywork that is
[01:02] <gma> Kamion, ah, I already have that. cheers.
[01:03] <ashley_> JStrike, here's the article http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/10/18/mono.html
[01:03] <Anna> Kamion:But I seem to be the only one with the problem, apart from the fact that the people I talked to burnt from the command prompt which is outside my abiltiy
[01:03] <gma> Anna, are you running linux?
[01:03] <Anna> Yes, Ubuntu..
[01:03] <wolf2945> do you have 700mb cds? not the older 650mb which wont work
[01:04] <ashley_> jdub, ty for the info, it seems its part of libgconf-cil
[01:04] <Anna> yes, brandnew...
[01:04] <JStrike> ashley_ : Have you included this repo in your sources http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs  and then refreshened and then run a search like jdub said?
[01:04] <mario> Last weekend i install many ubuntus in a installfest, but all user requires access to their win32 partitions.  Is possible add this in easy way?? because edit fstab by hand, is very hard for a user.  If Ubuntu Installation did this of automatic form, he would be genial.  
[01:04] <gma> open a terminal, and try this "cdrecord -v /path/to/iso". may fail, but report back with the error message if it does...
[01:04] <jdub> JStrike: they're in universe
[01:04] <Anna> ok
[01:04] <Kamion> Anna: many new CD media is still 650MB
[01:04] <jdub> mario: can't for warty, but will for hoary :)
[01:04] <JStrike> jdub : nice
[01:05] <ashley_> JStrike, I did that when I used the FAQ, im just a bit confused, because the file names been changed
[01:05] <JStrike> Pedro Villavicencio. I wonder who that is. Doesn't ring a bell
[01:05] <dannyboy> is there a set of .debs for maconlinux for ubuntu?
[01:05] <mario> jdub, 6 months more! :)
[01:05] <Anna> Kamion:the label here says 700, but hold on, I'll try the command...
[01:05] <jdub> only six :)
[01:05] <JStrike> yeah, the ubuntu packager has used different names to what Novell and RH use
[01:06] <dgtl> hi everyone
[01:06] <JStrike> ashley_ : Run  'apt-get install libgconf-cil
[01:06] <ashley_> Ill get used to it, it ll just be a while
[01:07] <dgtl> how do i get totem to play .mpg, .mp3 etc? nothing works right now
[01:07] <ashley_> its already installed
[01:07] <JStrike> ashley_ : And it is complaining that it cont find the gconf-sharp assembly?
[01:08] <ashley_> now I got to google to see how to install a mono app
[01:08] <ashley_> peace brothers !
[01:08] <ale_> dgtl: for mp3, do apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad (from universe)
[01:08] <JStrike> Bet he pops into #mono in 10min
[01:08] <mario> JStrike, Pedro Villavicencio is my GNOME Chile friend.
[01:09] <JStrike> mario : What is his nick?
[01:09] <mario> wes
[01:09] <Anna> Am I suppose to include the filename somewhere or just the path to the folder where the rawISO is stored?
[01:09] <gma> Anna, filename too.
[01:10] <JStrike> Nope. He isn't one of the mono regulars. He must just love the environment :-()
[01:10] <JStrike> oops
[01:10] <Anna> Ah, I see. 
[01:10] <JStrike> :-)
[01:10] <gma> e.g. cdrecord -v ~/download/ubuntu-blah.iso
[01:10] <JStrike> ok. Back to my contact lookup applet question
[01:10] <JStrike> why cant I send an IM from the address card?
[01:11] <gma> is the contact lookup applet in ubuntu?
[01:11] <mario> JStrike, why your ask for wes?
[01:13] <JStrike> mario : I was wondering who wrote the glyrics app
[01:13] <JStrike> LinuxJones : yep. That is what I had for a week :-)
[01:13] <JStrike> enjoy
[01:13] <Anna> Ok, there was an error, it's long, so it will shift the text upward, sorry
[01:14] <gma> hang on
[01:14] <gma> did it basically say that it couldn't find the device?
[01:14] <Anna>  ~ $ cdrecord -v ~ /home/lulu/stuff/KANOTIX-BUG-HUNTER-09-2004-A.iso
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: No write mode specified.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent default s.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds...
[01:14] <Anna> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[01:14] <Anna>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[01:14] <Anna>       Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian. org>.
[01:14] <mario> JStrike, ap :) yes
[01:14] <Anna>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[01:14] <Anna> TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[01:14] <Anna> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[01:14] <Anna> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI dr iver.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord:
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[01:14] <Anna> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup .
[01:14] <Anna> lulu@lulu ~ $
[01:14] <LinuxJones> JStrike, I am not going to spend 3 days downloading anything :)
[01:15] <gma> Anna, do you have an IDE cdrom drive?
[01:16] <Anna> gma, at the risk of you pulling out the darts to throw at the newbie poster on your door: I don't know, but it's a brand new computer
[01:17] <gma> okay. try the command again, with this slight modifcation; "cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom /path/to/ubuntu.iso"
[01:17] <scotth> hey, just installed ubuntu, just wanted to say sweet job and how do I help?
[01:17] <gma> (I'm guessing you only have one cdrom drive)
[01:17] <Anna> k
[01:17] <Anna> Oh, btw, should I use root terminal or will a normal one do?
[01:17] <WW_> Is there a FAQ/Howto somewhere for getting flash to work in Firefox?
[01:18] <gma> Anna, normal ought to do, but I've never tried it on ubuntu myself.
[01:18] <Anna> k
[01:18] <neuro_> doo de doo de dooo
[01:18] <Dethread> WW_, don't you just have to install the flash plugin?
[01:18] <WW_> Dethread: I don't know. Maybe..
[01:19] <Dethread> WW_, http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Flash
[01:19] <cardador> is anyone using 1600x1200 with normal sized firefox fonts? they are too small, cant make em bigger (ive tried changing it inside firefox)
[01:20] <WW_> Is there an ubuntu package for it?
[01:20] <Dethread> WW_, I doubt it
[01:20] <Dethread> WW_, actually....there is
[01:21] <Dethread> WW_, flashplugin_nonfree
[01:21] <WW_> I search for flash with apt-cache search, but many packages showed up.
[01:21] <WW_> That was one of them...
[01:21] <LinuxJones> WW_, I just clicked on the flash movie and it asked me if I wanted to download the plugin...it was automatic but I think Ubuntu rolled back to an older version recently.
[01:21] <Dethread> Description: "Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer"
[01:21] <ale_> WW_, flashplayer-mozilla
[01:23] <WW_> LinuxJones: I have a web page up now that wants a plugin for type application/x-shockwave-flash, but it doesn't ask to install a plugin when.  I'll take a look at flashplayer-mozilla.
[01:24] <Anna> OMG, it's working!
[01:25] <gma> sweet
[01:25] <Anna> It's finished, big kiss!
[01:26] <Anna> juicy wet one
[01:26] <gma> no probs.
[01:26] <gma> steady on!
[01:27] <Anna> CU
[01:27] <jazzka> I've got a .deb file, how can I install it?
[01:28] <brettcar> jazzka: dpkg -i whatever.deb
[01:28] <jazzka> ok
[01:29] <jazzka> brettcar, but that doesnt resolve dependencies of the file :(
[01:29] <WW_> ale_ (and others): Thanks, flashplayer-mozilla worked.  (Here's why I needed it: http://www.zija.net/)
[01:29] <ashley_> JStrike, how do you compile a mono app?
[01:30] <ob> so i've got this dell latitude c600, and after i instal ubuntu i get this crazy split-screen effect and some fuzzy lines down the middle.
[01:30] <ob> anyone know how to fix that?
[01:30] <ob> never tried installing linux on a laptop before.
[01:30] <leorme> jazzka, do "apt-get -f install" after the dpkg command.
[01:30] <ob> seems like a video problem, obviously.  ati mobility chipset.
[01:30] <JStrike> ashley_ : mcs
[01:31] <gma> ob, I've got an inspiron 5000 which has similar (but not quite the same) problems.
[01:31] <gma> I basically get a black screen.
[01:31] <JStrike> But it is more complicated than that. Look through the monkeyguide
[01:31] <gma> have you tried the ati binary drivers yet?
[01:31] <mirak_> is there any chance i acan get a quicktime plug-in for firefox?
[01:31] <ob> no network access for the laptop. :((
[01:31] <ob> trying to install the almighty ubuntu for a friend at work.
[01:31] <JStrike> ashley_ : Most apps come with make though
[01:32] <leorme> mirak_, install mozilla-mplayer
[01:32] <ashley_> what do you mena JStrike,?
[01:32] <ashley_> "mean"
[01:32] <JStrike> ashley_ : Are you familiar with Linux?
[01:32] <ashley_> enough yes
[01:33] <ashley_> I khow how to ./configure make make install 
[01:33] <JStrike> so ./autogen.sh or ./configure does nothing
[01:33] <ashley_> not with mono however...
[01:33] <JStrike> ?
[01:33] <ashley_> my prompt gives me a no such file for auogen.sh
[01:34] <JStrike> compiling a mono app without autocrap is tricky
[01:34] <gma> JStrike, there's a great example in Edd and Niel's book.
[01:34] <gma> I basically robbed it and put it in Spam Trainer
[01:34] <JStrike> You need to know what the assemblies it uses
[01:34] <JStrike> Gma : no doubt
[01:34] <ashley_> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool and thats for ./configure
[01:34] <gma> I've not been following the conversation, but would an example help?
[01:34] <ob> where's XFConfig at?
[01:34] <ob> nm
[01:35] <mirak_> leorme, it isnt app-get-able.....
[01:35] <ob> wait no i still forgot
[01:35] <gma> /etc/X11
[01:35] <mirak_> leorme, and i am nwe.....can you help me out?
[01:35] <speel> Hey i have a problem i just installed ubuntu and it dident auto mount my ntfs drive ;( what do i do?
[01:35] <JStrike> ashley_ :Is there a .prj file? 
[01:35] <leorme> mirak_, it's in multiverse repository of ubuntu.
[01:36] <JStrike> Gma : Without knowing what assemblies it uses, that wont really help
[01:36] <leorme> mirak_, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[01:36] <mirak_> leorme, i searched for "mozilla-mplayer" in synaptic.....it shows nothing
[01:36] <mirak_> leorme, i activated that in synaptic
[01:36] <leorme> mirak_, all in one line at /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:37] <leorme> mirak_, then you have to do apt-get update, of course.
[01:37] <mirak_> leorme, oh...multiverse
[01:37] <ashley_> the app that I want to install has a glade extention if that helps
[01:37] <JStrike> hrm..not really
[01:37] <LinuxJones> mirak_, flashplugin-nonfree ??
[01:37] <ashley_> did you read my ./configure error?
[01:38] <JStrike> ashley_ : List the contents of the package in a private message
[01:38] <speel> Hey i have a problem i just installed ubuntu and it dident auto mount my ntfs drive ;( what do i do?
[01:38] <jazzka> when I was using gentoo, I could mount a cd-rom with mount /mnt/cdrom
[01:38] <jazzka> with ubuntu there's no way
[01:38] <jazzka> ubuntu can't recognise the cd
[01:38] <jazzka> :((
[01:38] <mirak_> linuxjones, no...quicktime
[01:39] <defendguin> where is the mozilla-mplayer package?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> mirak_, oh sorry you need the win32 codecs 
[01:39] <xskoulax> anyone have a working 9500 pro with the fglrx drivers?
[01:39] <leorme> jazzka, you have only to write a correct /etc/fstab for that.
[01:41] <leorme> defendguin, multiverse repository.
[01:41] <jazzka> leorme, I dont underestand, my /etc/fstab seems to be ok
[01:41] <jazzka> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[01:41] <defendguin> leorme, i never heard of that one
[01:42] <TheMuso> jazzka: Instead of using /mnt, /media is used for removable devices. Debian does it this way as well.
[01:43] <TheMuso> So all you have to do is typ mount /media/cdrom0
[01:43] <jazzka> TheMuso, I can mount cds but this one I cant!
[01:43] <WW_> defendguin: See 23 and 24: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[01:43] <jazzka> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[01:43] <jazzka>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:44] <jazzka> well, is a cdrom burned in Windows, but with Gentoo I can read it, so...
[01:47] <speel> what line should i add to fstab if i wanna mount my ntfs drive hdb1
[01:49] <LinuxJones> speel, >> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[01:49] <mario> "Applications" menu icon is the Gnome foot, maybe the Ubuntu Logo look nice :D
[01:49] <eaon> are ms fonts (*ducks*) available as package somewhere?
[01:50] <TheMuso> jazzka: What filesystem is on the CD?
[01:50] <TheMuso> You could try mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 -t iso9660
[01:50] <speel> thanks
[01:50] <jazzka> TheMuso, I don't know, I suppose iso9660
[01:51] <jazzka> TheMuso, same error :(
[01:51] <LinuxJones> eaon, in universe apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:51] <eaon> cool thanks
[01:52] <TheMuso> jazzka: Ok try this. mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0
[01:52] <TheMuso> ah sorry, I suggested that all ready.
[01:52] <TheMuso> I think...
[01:53] <jazzka> mount: /dev/hdc: can't read superblock
[01:53] <jazzka> ??
[01:53] <TheMuso> Ok. Type this and tell me what you get. isoinfo -d /dev/hdc
[01:54] <TheMuso> There should be something there about the filesystem.
[01:55] <jazzka> ok, but is: isoinfo -d -i /dev/hdc  ;)
[01:55] <jazzka> it says: CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format
[01:55] <TheMuso> What software did you burn it with?
[01:55] <jazzka> I dont remember
[01:55] <jazzka> it's an old cd
[01:56] <jazzka> but I remember that with gentoo (one month ago) I could mount it
[01:56] <TheMuso> Do you have any other CD drives in that machine you could try it in?
[01:58] <jazzka> no 
[01:58] <speel> bah need help once again i mounted hdb in fstab and when i click on it it says mount:/dev/hdb already mounted or /media/hdb busy any ideas??
[01:58] <TheMuso> What sort of drive is it? Removable media?
[01:58] <speel> extra hard drive 
[01:58] <TheMuso> jazzka: Do you have any Windows installation you could try it on?
[01:59] <TheMuso> Have you checked what you currently have mounted?
[01:59] <jazzka> TheMuso, yes, I have an XP installation
[01:59] <speel> yea
[01:59] <TheMuso> Does it work in XP
[01:59] <TheMuso> So does it appear to be mounted?
[02:00] <speel> i dont have xp installed but this is a ntfs drive with just files on it
[02:00] <TheMuso> speel: SOrry I meant jazzka.
[02:01] <SmokingFire> Would linux people vomit if there was a graphical way to edit fstab?
[02:01] <jazzka> TheMuso, yeah with XP there's no problem
[02:01] <jazzka> is a cd-rw dvd-reader device
[02:01] <TheMuso> Not if everything was layed out clearly, and explained. I think the one thing people struggle with most, is the concept of there being no drive letters.
[02:02] <TheMuso> jazzka: What filesystem does Windows say the CD has?
[02:02] <jazzka> mmm don't know, I have to reboot :(
[02:02] <TheMuso> speel: So there is just the one partition on the HD? And it is already mounted?
[02:02] <jazzka> wich other file systems could be?
[02:03] <TheMuso> jazzka: I don't know. But if Windows recognises it, there is something fishy going on.
[02:03] <TheMuso> jazzka: Do you have the isofs module in your kernel, and is it loaded?
[02:04] <jazzka> mmm how could I know that?
[02:04] <speel> ah nvm i got it lol i thaught it was hdb but its hdb1
[02:04] <TheMuso> jazzka: Type lsmod | grep isofs and see what you get.
[02:05] <TheMuso> speel: Good to hear you got it worked out. Hard drives can be a pain sometimes.
[02:05] <TheMuso> speel: You do know that NTFS is read-only, as write support is dangerous?
[02:05] <jazzka> TheMuso, isofs                  33976  0
[02:05] <looksaus> speel, only (non-free) option is Captive NTFS
[02:05] <TheMuso> jazzka: So it is loaded. Hmmmm
[02:06] <looksaus> free as in beer, though 
[02:06] <speel> yea unfurtintly =/
[02:06] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: the weird thing is that BeOS supported NTFS and actually was faster with it. As I once cpoied a 130 MB file from Beos from on NTFS to another NFS partition and did the same on on Windows. Posted it on a Windows Kernel dev blog, but he erased it. 
[02:07] <speel> heh i cant belive how everything works
[02:07] <speel> its a bit strange lol
[02:07] <TheMuso> jazzka: One thing you could try and do if you had the disk space, is to rip the data off the CD onto your computer as an iso, and try mounting that.
[02:08] <TheMuso> Have you tried ejecting and re-inserting the CD tray?
[02:08] <SmokingFire> I was just wondering, as actually editing fstab editing is not really a complicated task a GUI on top of it should be nice and save beginners a lot of time,
[02:08] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: I think it is something that is needed. The user has to be explained what mount points are though.
[02:08] <speel> bah anyway to get the new version of firefox?
[02:08] <looksaus> anyone knows about out-of-the-box ways of using Ubuntu as a terminal server  la LTSP or PXES?
[02:08] <jazzka> TheMuso, I dont have the cd content, I've tried 3 times to eject-insert the cd
[02:08] <speel> synaptic only had 9.3 i think it is
[02:09] <speel> has*
[02:09] <TheMuso> jazzka: But you can rip the raw filesystem and the data off the CD without actually mounting it.
[02:09] <jazzka> mmmm
[02:09] <looksaus> I mean, any work beind done/planned/... on integrating LTSP/PXES/other solutions?
[02:10] <TheMuso> looksaus: Not that I am aware of. I have never worked with terminal server stuff at all.
[02:10] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: Just lets say open the GUI based fstab editor. ask for sudo password. Then display all the partitions (like partitions magic, qtparted, gparted) and have options to mount (maybe another word for it should be used). When using the command mount you will get a dialog with an advanced option, in which you can specify the details.
[02:11] <TheMuso> jazzka: I know this doesn't help getting the data in the short-term, but perhaps mounting the ISO as a loop device may bring more luck.
[02:11] <jazzka> TheMuso, ok, so: mount ...?
[02:11] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: It probably wouldn't be much work to do in python.
[02:12] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: I thought the same. But very useful for noobs
[02:12] <TheMuso> No, you don't mount it. To rip the data off the cd, you first need to make sure that the drive is not mounted anywhere at all, which it seems it isn't.
[02:12] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: True.
[02:12] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: I am only learning python at the moment, so don't think I would be up to it. I would also have to learn PyGTK as well. Fun. :)
[02:13] <TheMuso> jazzka: Then you type dd if=/dev/hdc of=/path/to/where/you/want/the/file.iso
[02:13] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: And learn glade possibly
[02:13] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: I forgot about glade.
[02:15] <jazzka> TheMuso, I have to go now, thanks anyway
[02:15] <TheMuso> jazzka: Sorry I couldn't help you.
[02:15] <TheMuso> Damn.
[02:16] <robertj_> A Disk Copy utility would be great
[02:16] <robertj_> Most users need a disk copy utility and can't manage it any other way
[02:17] <robertj_> I support a hundred OS X users and only two or three are capable of using disk image to create and then burn a cd image
[02:17] <TheMuso> robertj_: Do you mean for floppies, or for CDs as well?
[02:17] <robertj_> btw, nautilus browsed to cdrom0 due to a dist-upgrade...odd
[02:18] <robertj_> TheMuso: any non-system disk
[02:18] <TheMuso> Right. Well I know there are several CD burning utilities under development for GNOME, but am unaware of any floppy copiers, although for floppies, it would be quite easy to write one.
[02:19] <robertj_> Well the principle is that it should more associated with the word Copy than CD
[02:20] <TheMuso> robertj_: True.
[02:20] <speel> they should add gdesklets
[02:20] <TheMuso> hey Zindar 
[02:20] <robertj_> Left Column has Devices. Right Column has Devices
[02:20] <robertj_> Highlight one of both and click the copy button
[02:20] <TheMuso> speel: It is in universe.
[02:22] <robertj_> When does Warty freeze?
[02:22] <TheMuso> robertj_: Warty is frozen, and in fact is being released sometime today or tomorrow I think.
[02:22] <TheMuso> The final version that is.
[02:23] <Kamion> today or tomorrow depending on what timezone you're in :)
[02:23] <Zindar> hhey muso...
[02:23] <TheMuso> Thanks Kamion for clarrifying.
[02:23] <Zindar> what's up?
[02:23] <TheMuso> You know, just helping out the odd newbie here and there. :)
[02:24] <asubedi> isn't it Oct 20 already in Australia?
[02:24] <asubedi> i do not see the gold yet :/
[02:24] <TheMuso> Yes.
[02:24] <speel> universe?
[02:24] <TheMuso> It is Oct 20 here, 10:24 AM EST
[02:24] <Zindar> and I am SOOOO tired
[02:24] <TheMuso> speel: The universe repository.
[02:24] <robertj_> When did it freeze?
[02:24] <Kosai> robertj_: There is a schedule on the wiki.
[02:24] <Zindar> it's hard working both swedish and australian hours
[02:24] <Zindar> :)
[02:25] <speel> wheres that
[02:25] <TheMuso> Zindar: I don't know how you guys do it. I can't stay up much later than 1 AM, and even then thats hard for me.
[02:25] <TheMuso> speel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[02:25] <Zindar> TheMuso: you can do it for a few weeks.. then it's too much
[02:26] <Zindar> TheMuso: I left at 1am.. couldn't sleep until 3.30
[02:26] <TheMuso> Talk about shooting your body clock to bits. :)
[02:27] <TheMuso> If I had to, I probably could. But one does need sleep sometimes.
[02:27] <TheMuso> Well, actually most of the time. :)
[02:27] <Zindar> :)
[02:27] <Zindar> hehe
[02:27] <Zindar> agreed
[02:28] <cardador> new artwork is fine
[02:29] <TheMuso> Yeah. I like the new GDM screen. :)
[02:29] <cardador> no more discussion on this issue i guess
[02:29] <TheMuso> Well, what I can see of it anyways :)
[02:30] <speel> any way i can add these mirrors to synaptic?
[02:30] <TheMuso> Yes. You need to go to the settings menu I think it is, and there is an option there somewhere. :) Can't remember, I don't use synaptic personally. :)
[02:31] <cardador> speel: settings, repositories
[02:31] <mirak_> speel, well there you go, was gonna help, but he beet me to it
[02:31] <cardador> then check 3rd line i think, the one that has universe
[02:31] <speel> ah sweet
[02:32] <cardador> is it possible to get decent sized fonts on firefox on high resolution, like 1600x1200?
[02:33] <cardador> mine are too small and cant change them
[02:33] <xskoulax> anyone have the radeon 9500 pro working with a dell "e151fp" 15" flatpanel?
[02:34] <xskoulax> everytime i try to get x going it sits there at a blank screen
[02:34] <Kosai> xskoulax: *shrug* No, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.  What does the server log say?
[02:34] <xskoulax> Kosai: where might i find that
[02:34] <xskoulax> n00b here ;)
[02:35] <mirak_> anyone use xfce4
[02:35] <Kosai> xskoulax: /var/log/XFree86.0.log.
[02:35] <mirak_> i need a bit O' help
[02:35] <speel> ah damn i need help once again .. i wanna add http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ to the repositorys and it did not work ;/
[02:36] <Mitario> omg i love ruby, just did the first code for that update center mockup in 1 hour
[02:36] <speel> i think im adding it wrong 
[02:37] <mirak_> mitario, so how is it coming?
[02:37] <TheMuso> Ok, what are you doing exactly?
[02:38] <Mitario> mirak_, very good :) not lots of eye candy though, i'm just making the backend work a bit for some demoing
[02:38] <Zindar> Mitario: ruby rocks... I wrote a wiki in it a few years ago... it's still used for daily operations where I work.... it didn't take long to write it
[02:38] <utta> msg nickserv identify nat211
[02:38] <mirak_> mitario, of course
[02:38] <Mitario> utta, i suggest you grab a new password :)
[02:38] <georgia> utta: if i was you i'd change your password very quick
[02:39] <speel> ok i open up synaptic i go to settings then repos then i click add and for the uri i put http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ and for the destributuion i put warty then i put warty for the section
[02:39] <mirak_> nat211 is tha pass?
[02:39] <mirak_> haha
[02:39] <Mitario> mirak_, but anyways, list is now beeing fetched, and updates with old version, new version and description is now shown :)
[02:39] <mirak_> mitario, is the description always show, or is it hidable?
[02:39] <TheMuso> speel: Sorry I am not sure exactly how to do it in synaptec. Maybe someone else knows?
[02:40] <cardador> speel: not warty on section
[02:40] <mirak_> mitario, nvm, irelivant.........its just a start
[02:40] <Mitario> mirak_, hidable, but this is just a code mockup/start :)
[02:40] <mirak_> anyone use xfce4?
[02:40] <cardador> speel: write main restricted universe
[02:41] <mirak_> mitario, :)
[02:41] <wolf2945> anyone know an easy to way to list all packages installed?
[02:41] <Kamion> wolf2945: dpkg -l
[02:41] <speel> ah thanks man it worked
[02:42] <xskoulax> Kosai: i get the following warning in the log "fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:5:1) found
[02:42] <wolf2945> thanks, knew it was there somewhere, i was trying -s * heh
[02:42] <Mitario> wolf2945, synaptic ;)
[02:42] <Mitario> or dpkg -l | grep i
[02:42] <Mitario> grep ii*
[02:42] <xskoulax> Kosai:  only other warnings in the log are about fonts
[02:43] <wolf2945> i just built a new ubuntu box, have an old debian box thats going to be replaced, just needed a list of whats installed to move over, synaptic is not on my old box heh, thanks guys
[02:43] <Kamion> Mitario: completely uninstalled packages will be missing from 'dpkg -l' output anyway, although yours does filter out things like removed packages with configuration files remaining
[02:43] <xskoulax> Kosai: looks like i'm attached to what the card considers its 2nd head too so let me switch that real quick
[02:47] <stodge> Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 <-- anyone know the correct way to fix this?
[02:47] <stodge> When doing autogen.sh
[02:47] <stodge> Running automake-1.4...
[02:47] <stodge> configure.in: 7: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'
[02:48] <speel> grr gdesklet not working
[02:48] <TheMuso> stodge: Have you got libtool installed?
[02:48] <stodge> Hmmm - is that where those are? I thought I had all required packages installed :P
[02:48] <stodge> Thanks
[02:49] <stodge> Yes I do
[02:49] <stodge> 1.5.6-2
[02:49] <TheMuso> Have you got gettext installed?
[02:49] <TheMuso> And libc6-dev?
[02:50] <xskoulax> Kosai: i noticed on reboot, after switching the display to head1 on the card, that the following error is displayed "ignore PCI Display device 01:05.0 and 01:05.1" 
[02:50] <stodge> libc6-dev yes
[02:50] <stodge> gettext yes
[02:51] <stodge> I have automake 1.4 and 1.7 installed
[02:51] <Kosai> xskoulax: Huh, interesting.  No idea, I'm afraid; you might try asking Google.
[02:51] <TheMuso> When I was on here yesterday, someone had a problem and found removing the BusID line helped. If you have that, try commenting it out.
[02:52] <xskoulax> from what i've seen so far either i'm asking google the wrong question or it simply dosn't know ;), thx for the help kosai at least i know where that log is no :)
[02:52] <Kosai> It might be that the PCI ID is making your Google query too specific; perhaps if you just search for "ignore PCI Display device" you'll find how to solve someone else's similar problem.
[02:53] <speel> any one here has gdesklets running?
[02:57] <speel> lol guess not
[02:57] <Sn0wman> yeah, i do
[02:57] <Despair> speel: not after it spectacularly locked up yesterday, forcing a reboot.
[02:57] <speel> oaf
[02:58] <speel> Sn0wman: where was the .display file located its not in my home dir
[02:58] <Sn0wman> speel, /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/
[02:59] <stodge> Oh man I'm going to have to reinstall Ubuntu - this just isn't working
[03:00] <speel> but isant there a .display file you have to edit?
[03:00] <stodge> checking for automake >= 1.4...
[03:00] <stodge>   testing automake-1.4... not found.
[03:00] <Sn0wman> speel, no
[03:00] <stodge> I have automake 1.7 isntalled but it wont se it
[03:00] <stodge> (see it)
[03:00] <Sn0wman> you just run gdesklets /path/to/display 
[03:00] <TheMuso> stodge: What are you trying to build?
[03:01] <stodge> I have a simple glade-- project generated using glade
[03:01] <stodge> I had to manually compile and install glade-- as I couldn't find it for Ubuntu
[03:02] <TheMuso> Well it is in fact in Ubuntu main. Do an apt-cache search glade and you will get tons of stuff.
[03:02] <stodge> Hmmmmm
[03:02] <stodge> Let me re-install and try again
[03:02] <stodge> Clear all this universe junk out I installed :P
[03:02] <TheMuso> You shouldn't have to re-install.
[03:03] <stodge> Back in a few days - thanks for your help. Appreciate it!
[03:04] <TheMuso> Gee why do people always think a re-install is the answer?
[03:05] <zenwhen_> Tomorrow is when the shipping version of ubuntu is coming
[03:05] <zenwhen_> the moment the cd arrives, Im giving ubuntu another shot
[03:05] <PenguinBoy> Ubuntu is a wonderful distro!
[03:05] <Sn0wman> ja
[03:06] <PenguinBoy> the absolute best I have ever ran
[03:07] <Mitario> oh yeah! long description support for the updates
[03:07] <Mitario> i fscking love ruby
[03:07] <Mitario> and ubuntu of course ;)
[03:07] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:07] <PenguinBoy> goes without saying my friend
[03:10] <PenguinBoy> welceom guys!
[03:10] <StolenShoeBox> Hello. I have a question. Should I pre-partition my hard drive before installing ubuntu. I want to keep windows for games and such.
[03:11] <PenguinBoy> I would recommend that....try partition magic
[03:11] <PenguinBoy> or fdisk...if you are good at partitioning
[03:11] <StolenShoeBox> im downloading partition magic right now =)
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> great!
[03:12] <StolenShoeBox> so i just free up some space with it than when installing ubuntu i tell it to be installed on the free space?
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> how large is your drive?
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> yes
[03:13] <StolenShoeBox> its around 160gbs
[03:13] <PenguinBoy> StolenSoeBox......is this your 1st Linux distro?
[03:13] <StolenShoeBox> no
[03:14] <StolenShoeBox> ive used suse mandrake debian redhat
[03:14] <StolenShoeBox> and ive used ubuntu before
[03:14] <StolenShoeBox> i just never used linux and windows on one box
[03:14] <StolenShoeBox> heh
[03:14] <PenguinBoy> i have two 80GB HDDs......one for Win2K (strictly games....and one for ubuntu
[03:14] <StolenShoeBox> awesome =)
[03:15] <WW_> Win2k for games?  With tuxracer and defendguin, what more could you want?
[03:15] <PenguinBoy> if they would only port Empire Earth and Emporer Dune to Linux I would delete my Win HDD
[03:15] <PenguinBoy> lol WWW_
[03:15] <PenguinBoy> WW_ you left out Frozen Bubbles!
[03:15] <defendguin> lol
[03:15] <StolenShoeBox> PenguinBpy: im a starcraft/warcraft fan =). i like the new warhammer game to =)
[03:15] <PenguinBoy> my personal favorite!
[03:15] <WW_> oops, sorry defendguin, didn't mean to ping
[03:15] <defendguin> lol WW_ what about supertux?
[03:16] <StolenShoeBox> PenguinBoy so ill be able to slect windows from the grub boot menu?
[03:16] <xskoulax> PenguinBoy: you left out civ III
[03:16] <PenguinBoy> yes stolen
[03:16] <PenguinBoy> I lov e Civ III!!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:17] <PenguinBoy> xskoulax>have you ever played the Linux version of Civilzation?????
[03:17] <xskoulax> PenguinBoy: no can't say i have, i played civ III over ubuntus terminal server client though :D
[03:18] <xskoulax> was a little laggy but plenty playable
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> sounds fun
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> freeciv is the Linux remake I believe
[03:18] <StolenShoeBox> PenguinBoy so i just resize my c partiotion?
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> yes Stolen
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> 20 GB or so
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> I like a large Linux partition
[03:19] <xskoulax> PenguinBoy: yea freeciv is a linux remake that has rules for civ I and civ II
[03:19] <PenguinBoy> i have not figured it out yet
[03:19] <PenguinBoy> having trouble connecting to a server
[03:19] <speel> hey need a lil help i istalled a gdesklet display called WeeklyCalendar and when i type gdesklets /home/speel/.gdesklets/Sensors/WeeklyCalendar
[03:19] <speel>  it acts like its running but there is nothing on my desktop
[03:19] <PenguinBoy> did you log out and log back in after you installed it??
[03:20] <speel> no
[03:20] <PenguinBoy> try that
[03:20] <speel> so try to log out and run that same command again right?
[03:20] <PenguinBoy> si
[03:20] <speel> oki doki brb
[03:20] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:22] <speel> nope =/
[03:22] <PenguinBoy> mmmm
[03:23] <PenguinBoy> can anyone help us with a gdesklet display?????
[03:23] <speel> but i get this error when i just type gdesklet
[03:23] <eaon> hehe
[03:23] <eaon> you won't believe it
[03:23] <speel> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[03:23] <speel>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[03:23] <eaon> but i'm not getting the desklets either
[03:23] <eaon> i read the manpage
[03:24] <eaon> but i'm still not smarter
[03:24] <speel> would that error cause a problem?
[03:24] <PenguinBoy> mmmmm
[03:25] <Mitario> heh, guys, take a look at this: http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/rubyrocks.png... it's not yet the mockup on the page, but it is a start :)
[03:27] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:27] <Krypt0n> looks nice
[03:28] <Mitario> should turn into http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/updatescenter.png at some point
[03:28] <Mitario> um http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/updatecenter.png thatis
[03:29] <Krypt0n> very nice
[03:29] <Krypt0n> would be good if that became a part of the distro
[03:29] <eaon> oooh
[03:29] <PenguinBoy> sure would
[03:29] <eaon> now i got the desklets
[03:29] <eaon> nice
[03:29] <PenguinBoy> tada!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:29] <PenguinBoy> what did you do?
[03:30] <eaon> went to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> wonderful!@
[03:30] <eaon> looked into the folders
[03:30] <eaon> typed typed gdesklets whatever.display
[03:30] <eaon> and then gdesklets
[03:31] <eaon> then it worked :)
[03:31] <eaon> this needs a management screen
[03:31] <WW_> Mitario: Looks cool... I usually find out whats availabel in Synaptic by clicking on the "S" field.
[03:31] <bipolar> Help! :P
[03:31] <bipolar> X keeps hanging on my laptop.
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> what's up bipolar?
[03:31] <speel> you sure its /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/ cause i dont have displays i have display
[03:31] <WW_> available*... (i.e. what available for upgrading)
[03:32] <eaon> Mitario, that looks like plone ;)
[03:32] <eaon> the heading, that is
[03:32] <bipolar> it hangs up for about 30 sec, then I can switch to vt1 and back and it works until it locks up again
[03:32] <Mitario> eaon, heh, euh wouldn't know :)
[03:32] <bipolar> It's an S3 chip. 1400x1050
[03:32] <bipolar> I think it's mouse driver related
[03:33] <speel> grr
[03:33] <bipolar> the laptop has a snaptic (sic) touchpad.
[03:34] <bipolar> I've tried setting X to use the synaptic driver, but it does the same lockup thing
[03:35] <speel> ::kicks gdesklets::
[03:36] <Solkaris> how do we get the last Ubuntu artwork back?
[03:36] <Solkaris> the replacement is BS
[03:36] <SmokingFire> whats the replacement?
[03:36] <Solkaris> BLANK PAGES
[03:37] <Solkaris> blank no artwork wallpaper
[03:37] <bipolar> yep.... if I don't use my mouse, X doesnt hang. :P
[03:38] <bipolar> grumble
[03:38] <eaon> the starterbar desklet is cool
[03:39] <speel> ah any idea where you found .display?
[03:39] <mirak_> anyone any good with xfce4?
[03:39] <mirak_> err...even just a little good
[03:39] <mirak_> or can point me in the right direction to get some help
[03:39] <speel> www.linuxquestions.org lol
[03:40] <mirak_> lol
[03:40] <eaon> speel, /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/
[03:40] <mirak_> ooh..nvm...i found the irc room
[03:40] <mirak_> haha.......its empty
[03:40] <mirak_> so i take back the nvm
[03:41] <Solkaris> so anyone know if they are going to put the artwork back .. or are we now stuck with fugly desktops because censorship is so important?
[03:41] <speel> yea and theres a whole bunch of folders in there
[03:41] <mctavish> I use xfce4 but I don't use ubuntu :)
[03:41] <mctavish> ...and I am in windows right now=-O
[03:42] <tolstoy> folks, is there any reason I can't right-click on a directory so I can "open" it with something, like, say, a terminal?
[03:42] <tolstoy> Worked in gnome 2.4.
[03:42] <jdub> Solkaris: the artwork is all available
[03:42] <jdub> Solkaris: install ubuntu-calendar when it arrives in the archive
[03:42] <daniels> clee: i'm at mum's place.  on xp.
[03:42] <jdub> or grab mine
[03:42] <jdub> one sec
[03:42] <PenguinBoy> ubuntu-calendar is GREAT!
[03:42] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/
[03:42] <jdub> ^ grab the ubuntu-calendar packages
[03:43] <Solkaris> you know the fact that they removed those packages is the first thing about this distro that seriously pisses me off
[03:43] <speel> eaon: in the Displays folder what am i looking for?
[03:44] <Solkaris> thanks jdub .. grabbing them now
[03:44] <tolstoy> If I right-click on a folder, hit properties, add "gnome-terminal" in the "open with" tab, I still can't open with a terminal.
[03:44] <skoula> anyidea how to get a ghost to leave?
[03:45] <jdub> Solkaris: they haven't been removed, the defaults have been changed.
[03:45] <speel> WOOT i got it
[03:45] <LinuxJones> skoula, you have aghost in your house ?
[03:45] <skoula> LinuxJones: no my ghost is sitting at the bottom of the nicks list
[03:45] <eaon> speel, .display files in the folders
[03:46] <LinuxJones> skoula, lol
[03:46] <smo> skoula: "/nickserv help ghost"   ?
[03:46] <skoula> well near the bottom
[03:46] <speel> yea i got it
[03:46] <speel> thanks
[03:46] <smo> else it'll die in it's own time
[03:46] <Solkaris> jdub its the fact that the vocal morality police got it changed that is annoying 
[03:46] <speel> but that sucks i gotta type out what folders and stuff
[03:46] <billytwowilly> 'd like to set up an 8 drive RAID 5 array in linux with IDE drives. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive brand of raid card that will work with linux besides 3ware? Is 3ware the only one?
[03:47] <Sn0wman> speel, the new version of gdesklets (0.30) has an interface that does it for you.
[03:47] <speel> i cant recomend one but you can check www.pricwatch.com
[03:47] <speel> i cant recomend one but you can check www.pricewatch.com
[03:47] <jdub> Solkaris: it wasn't a vocal minority issue. those problems would affect a large proportion of our potential user base.
[03:47] <smo> Solkaris: I believe it came down to a genuine discussion in the end?  not a slashdot-style lynch mob ?
[03:48] <billytwowilly> hehehe. pricwatch
[03:48] <speel> lol
[03:49] <toothpick> When will the default login screen be changing?
[03:50] <Solkaris> the reality is those pictures are no worse than 90% of the slick ads in magazines .. but don't want to argue about it .. just really disappointed that it was handled this way
[03:51] <skoula> damn it this is getting on my nerves
[03:51] <tolstoy> Man oh man.  No one on multiple channels can answer my question.
[03:52] <toothpick> Solkaris, I was just wondering if it indeed is changing?  I think it is a professional looking shot personally, but not appropriate for my uses.
[03:52] <skoula> anyone see a reason that the fglrx drivers refuse to use my dell flatpanel that is correctly identified by ubuntu?
[03:52] <speel> any idea where i can find gdesklets 0.30?
[03:52] <jdub> Solkaris: and totally inappropriate for a huge chunk of our potential audience.
[03:52] <jdub> toothpick: yes, latest packages are updated with preview-like artwork (only better)
[03:53] <jdub> toothpick: and you can install the ubuntu-calendar package if you want automagically updated background images
[03:53] <toothpick> so jdub, if I do another apt-get upgrade I won't see those GAP style images?
[03:53] <PenguinBoy> tolstoy...can;t you right click on the folder....click on properties....and then make an associatiopn?
[03:53] <jdub> toothpick: uh huh
[03:53] <PenguinBoy> toothpick...I too recommend the ubuntu-calendar....it is awesome!
[03:54] <Solkaris> jdub and toothpick like I said I dont want to argue about it .. I'm as annoyed with the change as the people that wanted it changed .. so saying it offended them is fine .. but the change offended me
[03:54] <mirak_> toothpick, GAP style=funnyest thing ever
[03:54] <tolstoy> PenguinBoy, yeap.  It just doesn't show up in the menu when I right click.  Does on the "Browser" sidebar, though.
[03:54] <toothpick> Maybe it was Target.
[03:55] <smo> Solkaris: There's a very over-used adage about pleasing everyone, all of the time.
[03:55] <PenguinBoy> mmmm
[03:55] <mirak_> toothpick, definatly GAP
[03:55] <tolstoy> PenguinBoy, I even tried putting "emacs" in there, just for fun.
[03:55] <tolstoy> PenguinBoy, seems that folder objects aren't allowed to play.
[03:55] <jdub> Solkaris: i can't sell ubuntu with those images on by default (i work for canonical)
[03:55] <toothpick> I mean, I'd like a Doctor Fun theme...but I couldn't use that at school either.
[03:55] <speel> oaf why dident ubuntu automaticly install devlopment tools like gcc etc
[03:56] <smo> As it stands, artwork turned out to be a non-issue for me.  My employer requested company-branded artwork for our terminals
[03:56] <jdub> Solkaris: making sure you understand that it was *not* a 'vocal minority' issue
[03:56] <eaon> jdub, copyright issues?
[03:56] <Solkaris> jdub again I don't want to argue about it .. stated how I felt and now I'm done with issue. 
[03:57] <sladen> speel: apt-get install build-essential
[03:57] <jdub> eaon: hrm?
[03:57] <speel> ah ty
[03:57] <PenguinBoy> apt-get install build-essential
[03:57] <PenguinBoy> yeah
[03:57] <eaon> jdub, why can't you sell ubuntu with those images on by default?
[03:58] <Solkaris> eaon because as the marketing forces of the world has shown naked people are EVIL 
[03:58] <Solkaris> ok that was bad .. my bad
[03:58] <PenguinBoy> the people are not naked
[03:58] <eaon> i actually laughed
[03:59] <eaon> and yes i do agree about that naked people in marketing campaigns these days suck
[03:59] <speel> configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[03:59] <eaon> not literally
[03:59] <skoula> eaon: basicly in some cultures that much skin is a problem the view it porn
[03:59] <skoula> s/the/they
[03:59] <eaon> right
[03:59] <jdub> eaon: they're inappropriate for most markets
[03:59] <eaon> understandable, that is
[04:00] <jdub> eaon: demonstrating ubuntu with those images to potential partners was problematic
[04:00] <tolstoy> Hm. I suspect nautilus is broken.  When I use the file browser, I can't open folders with terminals either.
[04:00] <eaon> jdub, even "here"?
[04:00] <speel> problem configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[04:00] <speel>  when i ./configure gdesklets 0.30
[04:00] <eaon> (as in western culture)
[04:00] <jdub> eaon: australia is very secular/liberal. it's still inappropriate for a business desktop.
[04:00] <jdub> eaon: it still makes potential partners wonder how serious we are.
[04:00] <eaon> interesting
[04:01] <eaon> we have naked people everywhere in austria
[04:01] <eaon> even in ads for ad schools
[04:01] <eaon> or for yoghurts
[04:01] <stodge> Let me see if I can reintsall glade--
[04:01] <eaon> hell, even shoes
[04:01] <smo> eaon: I'm trying to install ubuntu in a small-town US  internet cafe.  The fact that our userbase is 13-80+ was brought up before the lack of flash/java.  So yes, even in 'western' culture
[04:01] <toothpick> jdub, I ordered some Sars wonder soap...and then got a catalog with four topless women on the front ;) (they were covering themselves with their hands.)
[04:02] <PenguinBoy> i think they are cute looking LOL
[04:02] <eaon> smo: hehe - starts to make sense ;)
[04:02] <eaon> people need more pr0n obviously!
[04:02] <Solkaris> smo that would make sense if that small town US internet cafe was located in a part of the US that had no access to MTV or Vogue .. but they do so what are you protecting those users from?
[04:03] <stodge> Why does aptitude want to install automake-1.4 when automake-1.7 is also available?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> If the art had been out of focus from the forearm down, it would have been more appropriate and have more impact.
[04:03] <eaon> okay NO MORE NAKED PEOPLE DISCUSSIONS
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:03] <Mitario> naked people!? where!
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:03] <tolstoy> Solkaris, parents don't mind the partial nudity, nor do the kids, but parents WITH kids: a weird thing happens. ;)
[04:03] <eaon> www.suicidegirls.com !
[04:03] <djempak> maybe if someone converted it to ASCII art...
[04:03] <Mitario> tolstoy, my parents don't mind :)
[04:04] <Mitario> neither do I
[04:04] <jdub> toothpick: that's very different to images being displayed on a tool used in a business/school/home environment
[04:04] <tolstoy> me either.
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> nor me
[04:04] <Kosai> stodge: Because automake is not backwards compatible.
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> remember pregnanat Demi Moore in the ad
[04:04] <WW_> Argh... last week I could play DVDs with totem-xine.  Now it is not working.
[04:04] <tolstoy> i wouldn't have even known those images were "racy" if it weren't for the controversy.
[04:04] <toothpick> jdub, no I was just mentioning the catalog cause it is an Australian Store.
[04:04] <toothpick> I always wanted to go to Australia.
[04:05] <tolstoy> mmmm, australia. home of farscape.
[04:05] <eaon> people always think i'm from australia
[04:05] <Mitario> lol, what is the debian experimental repo again? (wants to test how many updates my app can handle)
[04:05] <eaon> but we don't have kangaroos in austria
[04:05] <stodge> Can I force it to install automake-1.7?
[04:05] <Kosai> stodge: Sure, apt-get install automake-1.7.
[04:05] <eaon> offski
[04:05] <toothpick> Arnold is from Austria iirc
[04:05] <eaon> bye
[04:05] <stodge> Can I then do apt-get install glade?
[04:06] <eaon> he is
[04:06] <eaon> the asshole
[04:06] <eaon> sorry
[04:06] <Kosai> stodge: These aren't packages with implicit version numbers; each is an individual package without conflicts.
[04:06] <Kosai> stodge: Um, sure, I think.
[04:06] <jdub> stodge: glade-gnome-2
[04:06] <tolstoy> Well, I think I'll post this nautilus problem as a bug, see what happens.
[04:06] <eaon> toothpick, Hitler is too!
[04:06] <stodge> glade-gnome-2? Ok thanks
[04:06] <eaon> i even worked at a place where he got kicked out
[04:07] <SmokingFire> eaon: modern theories show that Hitler was actually a german living on the border.
[04:07] <toothpick> All my WWII history has come from Hogan's Heroes.
[04:07] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:07] <stodge>  aptitude install glade-gnome-2 still wants to install automake-1.4. I'll try to install that first
[04:07] <PenguinBoy> I see nothing
[04:07] <PenguinBoy> I know nothing
[04:08] <eaon> SmokingFire, modern theories?
[04:08] <eaon> what is that?
[04:08] <WW_> It figures... I whine a little here, try to play a DVD again, and it works.  Ubuntu magic.
[04:08] <smo> I wonder if there's a prize for levels of OTness.  hitler's genealogy is certainly striving for one ;o)
[04:08] <eaon> "he could have been a german though we know where he was born and where he lived. hmmm yeah."
[04:08] <eaon> smo: i'm the OT king
[04:08] <SmokingFire> eaon: latest news I read on BBC news, yet has to confirmed or dispelled. 
[04:08] <toothpick> I read it on a WIKI.
[04:09] <eaon> smo: seriously there is not one channel i didn't get to talk about something totally obscure
[04:09] <eaon> it's easy though
[04:09] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:09] <eaon> everyone can do it!
[04:09] <SmokingFire> But the difference between germans and Austrians are as big between Canadians and Americans.
[04:09] <eaon> SmokingFire, thats not right
[04:09] <Solkaris> that a difference 
[04:09] <stodge> Can I install more than one automake? 
[04:09] <SmokingFire> its not eaon?
[04:09] <djempak> what's the difference between Canadians and Americans? ;)
[04:09] <eaon> SmokingFire, we might speak the same language
[04:10] <Solkaris> Canadians are smarter?
[04:10] <eaon> SmokingFire, but the mentality and actually everything else is different
[04:10] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:10] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:10] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:10] <toothpick> Michael Moore told me Canadians leave their doors open.
[04:10] <toothpick> Rather unlocked.
[04:10] <eaon> what are doors?
[04:10] <djempak> as in, to their homes?
[04:10] <smo> eaon: That does sound similar to the difference between Americans and Canadians
[04:10] <punkass> SmokingFire: good call :)
[04:10] <Solkaris> toothpick I can take you to places in the US just like that
[04:10] <punkass> sorry that was Solkaris
[04:10] <smo> toothpick: I've lived in this house for two years, and I've never found a key that matches any of our locks.  I'm in the US.
[04:11] <eaon> okay i should get back to work
[04:11] <eaon> bye
[04:11] <eaon> no
[04:11] <eaon> it's 4 am
[04:11] <PenguinBoy> bye
[04:11] <eaon> go to the fucking bed
[04:11] <punkass> i look my doors...not that i need to tho...ive left bikes on the back of my car etc..and there still there in the morning
[04:11] <WW_> eaon: You're using the computer... so that's work, right?
[04:11] <punkass> lock*
[04:11] <eaon> WW_, no
[04:12] <WW_> alas
[04:12] <eaon> WW_, though i'd enjoy getting payed for wanking
[04:12] <PenguinBoy> lol eaon
[04:12] <toothpick> I had my trash can stolen this month =( one of the wheeled toters...wish I could burn my trash here.
[04:12] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please dudes
[04:12] <toothpick> smo: where are you on the globe?
[04:12] <toothpick> jdub gotcha.
[04:12] <SmokingFire> I was never saying that there aren't differences between Canadians and Americans. Just saying they are as big as Austria and German.
[04:12] <smo> toothpick: rural michigan.
[04:12] <eaon> yaya i'm off anyway :)
[04:12] <eaon> gnight :)
[04:13] <PenguinBoy> gnight
[04:13] <PenguinBoy> mate
[04:13] <smo> toothpick: Far enough north that canadian quarters are as good as american ones.  but not so far that we fly their flag.
[04:13] <punkass> stodge: yes you can
[04:13] <stodge> Ok thanks
[04:13] <Eno_> how do i stop it from loading "snd_cmipci" on boot? i think it's interfering with my snd_emu10k1, they are both loaded at the same time..
[04:14] <Eno_> i tried adding it to hotplug blacklist, but it still loads
[04:14] <toothpick> oic
[04:14] <punkass> you can  skip snd_cmipci  just cant remember what file to add to ..
[04:15] <Eno_> skip snd_cmipci
[04:15] <Eno_> discover.conf
[04:15] <punkass> yes thats it
[04:15] <Eno_> hmm.. i did that as well
[04:15] <PenguinBoy> will karamba run in gnome?
[04:15] <moyote> If I run MAKEDEV hdb, shouldn't the device be created and show up in /dev????
[04:16] <punkass> well that is the extent of my knowledge..it worked for me so i stopped looking
[04:16] <toothpick> gnight all
[04:16] <toothpick> btw boston is winning 4-0
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> night toothpick
[04:16] <tolstoy> ah ha! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154799
[04:16] <Despair> Eno_: if you just want to make sure the emu10k1 is the first device, add `options snd-emu10k1 index=0` and `options snd-cmipci index=1` to a file in /etc/modprobe.d and do `update-modules`
[04:16] <tolstoy> and http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2004-September/msg00079.html
[04:16] <kingfish> can someone help a Linux n00b!!!
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> whats the prob kingfish?
[04:17] <speel> any one got gdesklets 0.30 to work?
[04:17] <kingfish> its there are programs i can fun to help find drivers
[04:17] <speel> kingfish: as many people say ... google
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:18] <Eno_> Despair, thanks! will that make it so it uses emu10k1 instead of cmipci (and i have sound)?
[04:18] <WW_> I was wrong when I said it worked a little while ago, I _am_ having a problem playing a DVD with totem-xine.
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> yep google it
[04:18] <Despair> Eno_: it makes the emu10k1 the first device for alsa, which is default for most programs.
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> wb xskoulax
[04:18] <Eno_> okay
[04:18] <xskoulax> thx
[04:18] <xskoulax> this hub is driving me nuts
[04:19] <kingfish> so will any linux drivers work for any linux distro of do i have to find ones for debbian
[04:19] <WW_> When I select Movie->Play Disc in totem-xine, it just brings up a file selection window.
[04:19] <tolstoy> is there a way in a launcher to add a parameter: myapp --something=%f, or something like that?  
[04:19] <speel> kingfish: drivers for what?
[04:19] <kingfish> chipset
[04:19] <speel> i dont think you need BUT i can be wrong
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> i dont think you need either
[04:20] <WW_> Maybe totem-xine is telling me somthing. I can play Galaxy Quest, but I can't play All Quiet on the Western Front.
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> what mkes you think you need chipset drivers?????
[04:21] <tolstoy> Hm. a launcher with command = "gnome-terminal --working-directory=" doesn't seem to work if you drag a folder to it.
[04:21] <speel> manshbdfihbsdfj what is gobobject -2.0
[04:21] <kingfish> cause stuff takes forever to load and i have a fast hard drive so i was just asumming that they where needed
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> that would not be the cause of your problem
[04:22] <kingfish> what then?
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> defien stuff and load time
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> define
[04:23] <kingfish> opening almost any apllication and more the 30 seconds
[04:23] <PenguinBoy> laptop or desktop?
[04:23] <kingfish> desktop
[04:23] <PenguinBoy> partioned HDD?
[04:24] <speel> anyone here sucessfully installed gdesklets 0.30
[04:24] <kingfish> i let it pick, default
[04:24] <WW_> kingfish: How much memory do you have?
[04:24] <kingfish> 265MB ECC PC133
[04:24] <bur[n] er> can anyone recommend a good way to get all the data from /dev/hda1 which is my / onto /dev/hda2 which is in /mnt/hda2?  I tried from a live cd doing "cp -a /mnt/hda1/* /mnt/hda2" but it segfaults :\
[04:24] <WW_> kingfish: ok, just checking.
[04:25] <tolstoy> Oh, I see.  Dragging a nautilus object deposits a string file:///blah/blah.
[04:27] <scotth> bur[n] er, are the partitions the same size?
[04:27] <sertmann> http://upit.dk/files/WTF.jpg <--- just like the title says :) , ubuntu or gnome problem?
[04:27] <scotth> bur[n] er, also try rsync, its ussually alot better
[04:28] <WW_> Any ideas why totem-xine seems to treat a DVD as if it were a data cd?
[04:28] <tseng> WW_: do you have libdvdcss?
[04:29] <WW_> tseng: Yup.  I just tried playing one moving and it worked, but its not working with two others.
[04:29] <WW_> s/moving/movie/
[04:29] <tseng> works for all mine so far..
[04:29] <ish> When setting up Evolution contact lists, LDAP is shaded out.
[04:29] <ish> How can I enable it?
[04:29] <PenguinBoy> this has just started happening when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade......Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled
[04:29] <PenguinBoy>  'Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)'
[04:29] <PenguinBoy> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[04:29] <PenguinBoy> ....any ideas??????
[04:29] <tseng> PenguinBoy: edit sources.list and comment out the cd line, then apt-get update
[04:30] <tseng> PenguinBoy: or... put the cd in
[04:30] <sertmann> he
[04:30] <PenguinBoy> LOL
[04:30] <sertmann> :)
[04:30] <Solkaris> sertman explain the problem
[04:31] <sertmann> they're not sorted alphabetically even though i set the directory to do that...
[04:31] <Solkaris> yes they are
[04:31] <sertmann> and all other files are
[04:31] <sertmann> nani=
[04:31] <Solkaris> Nelly comes before Nelly Furtado 
[04:31] <sertmann> mmm
[04:31] <sertmann> and after
[04:31] <Solkaris> thats basic 
[04:31] <sertmann> yeah
[04:31] <smo> sertmann: It appears alphabetically if you ignore the " - " et al ?
[04:31] <gotd0t> does anybody have any experience setting up dual monitors on a 9700?
[04:32] <smo> sertmann: Which appears to be what it's doing
[04:32] <PenguinBoy> night guys!!!!!!!!!!
[04:32] <Solkaris> the second word in the 3rd group seems to be Nellyville which would be AFTER Country and Furtado 
[04:32] <xskoulax> cya PenguinBoy 
[04:32] <sertmann> but, im pretty sure the rest of my files are not acting like that... i'll have to check....
[04:33] <Solkaris> sertmann the thing to do is fix your file names
[04:33] <sertmann> if that's the explanation.... then, damn that's annoying...
[04:33] <WW_> Is a file browser supposed to pop up when I put in a DVD?  (The drive is a combo CD/DVD.)
[04:34] <Solkaris> sertmann yea but that would be the fix 
[04:34] <sertmann> Solkaris: argh!
[04:34] <scotth> sertmann, how does ls sort them?
[04:35] <sertmann> scotth, unu momento
[04:35] <Solkaris> sertmann I feel your pain .. been working on getting mp3 collection cleaned up 
[04:35] <sertmann> He yeah, been doing that for a month after i got my iPod
[04:35] <scotth> true solution is to not use mp3's and use ogg vorbis instead... but I guess thats a solution to a different problem
[04:37] <speel> hey how do i install my nvidia drivers?
[04:37] <Solkaris> FLAC so your music collection eats space .. oh yea I love 40 meg songs
[04:37] <sertmann> scotth: ls messes up too
[04:37] <xskoulax> speel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:37] <smo> I've only found FLAC genuinely useful for classical music.  for the most part, it's better than my ears can discern
[04:37] <sertmann> well, darn it...
[04:37] <speel> ty
[04:37] <tseng> i have a real home theater setup
[04:37] <tseng> i feel bad playing a compressed codec through it
[04:37] <smo> I've $20 walmart speakers.   ogg fills my needs :o)
[04:38] <tseng> gigabytes are cheap.
[04:38] <attitude> lol
[04:38] <WW_> This is weird.  A movie that has worked fine for me before now plays, but with no sound.
[04:38] <WW_> I hate it when stuff stops working.
[04:38] <Zindar> WW_: happened to me yesterday... restarted the movie player.. than it worked
[04:38] <WW_> ...mysteriously
[04:38] <xskoulax> WW_: anyone would think your running windows ;)
[04:39] <scotth> sertmann, its probably something wrong with the c library, most likely a locales problem... ie the locales not being set properly... so I would say its not a gnome problem, kinda an ubuntu problem
[04:39] <baHam> man
[04:39] <baHam> there are so few ubuntu users yet
[04:39] <sertmann> scotth: isn't converting mp3 to ogg utterly pointless?
[04:39] <baHam> that sucks
[04:40] <attitude> baHam: I think this is a very hot start for this distro
[04:40] <WW_> Zindar: Restarting it didn't help.  Still no sound.
[04:40] <sertmann> appart from the fact my iPod doesn't support it....
[04:40] <Solkaris> converting from mp3 to ogg is worse than pointless .. you lose quality in the process
[04:40] <SmokingFire> baHam: I think thats great
[04:40] <scotth> sertmann, yes, but if you start with ogg your a lot better off... atleast in my opinion
[04:40] <sertmann> Solkaris: hence the "uttely# :)
[04:41] <sertmann> argh
[04:41] <sertmann> need sleep :)
[04:41] <gotd0t> ahh, dual monitors are a major pain
[04:41] <matthew> anyone have a profile thingy, to make xchat look like mirc
[04:41] <SmokingFire> baHam: Why do you need personally 1 million of active users?
[04:41] <gotd0t> thats the only thing that windows does FLAWLESSLY
[04:42] <attitude> gotd0t: I have to disagree, windows runs virus flawlessly
[04:42] <SmokingFire> gotd0t: X11 just needs a graphical tool made by gnome. Not distro dependent. As on some distro's its painless.
[04:42] <smo> I think ubuntu has a heck of a userbase considering it's still (afiak) a pre-release
[04:42] <sladen> smo: cunning that, isn't it :)
[04:43] <baHam> I mean
[04:43] <baHam> I like very much
[04:43] <baHam> that people create
[04:43] <baHam> icon sets
[04:43] <sertmann> hmmm scotth, you might have a point..... just discovered in Gnome Terminal it's danish charset, while in tty it's uk charset.... could that be the problem?
[04:43] <baHam> and wallpapers
[04:43] <baHam> and themes
[04:43] <baHam> for distro's
[04:43] <baHam> ubuntu has not many users
[04:43] <SmokingFire> attitude: never got virus unless I wanted on win32
[04:43] <scotth> sertmann, possibly
[04:43] <baHam> so there are not so many themes
[04:43] <baHam> for gentoo there are more themes than users
[04:43] <scotth> the locale would control how things are sorted
[04:43] <baHam> this makes me angry
[04:43] <gotd0t> is there anybody who can help me set up my dual monitors?
[04:44] <attitude> SmokingFire: but when you wanted one there where lots to chose from and they all ran great
[04:44] <bur[n] er> scotth: still there... my partitions are different size... i am doing this so i'll have more space...
[04:44] <scotth> gotd0t, what are you trying to do?
[04:44] <SmokingFire> baHam: Just use gnome-look.org
[04:44] <smo> baHam: That's changing quickly.  Just look at gnome-look.org.  The number of Ubuntu themes on their front page is insanely disproportionate
[04:44] <bur[n] er> and cause i want ot switch to reiserfs as opposed to ext3
[04:44] <sertmann> scotth, now how would i go about changing chartset in console?
[04:44] <WW_> I tried mplayer instead of totem-xine, but there is no /dev/dvd device.
[04:44] <baHam> there are like 5
[04:44] <scotth> bur[n] er, use rsync
[04:44] <baHam> or 6
[04:44] <bur[n] er> ?
[04:44] <baHam> and they all suck..
[04:44] <bur[n] er> will that be a problem if /proc is mounted and i'm working on the filesystem now?
[04:44] <bur[n] er> or should i boot to a livecd?
[04:44] <scotth> $LOCALE or $LOCALES something like that... maybe $LC_ALL
[04:45] <gotd0t> scotth: well I have a 9700 pro... and i want to set up both my monitors so i have one large desktop spaning both screens
[04:45] <scotth> bur[n] er, don't go to rieserfs... xfs is better and I would still recommend ext3 if your not familiar with linux
[04:45] <sertmann> hmmm well, I want english locale, just danish charset...
[04:45] <SmokingFire> attitude: Just saying most virus problems are caused by unknowing people. Could or will be the same on Linux/Gnome/KDE.
[04:45] <baHam> what did the last update
[04:45] <baHam> do ?
[04:45] <baHam> I updated several packages..
[04:46] <scotth> bur[n] er, rsync has some exclude syntax... man rsync for it and exclude /proc
[04:46] <SmokingFire> baHam: Shouldn't any gnome theme/icon set work on ubuntu?
[04:46] <baHam> yeah, they work
[04:46] <baHam> I just mean
[04:46] <scotth> bur[n] er, alternativly just rsync the partition and afterwards delete the proc space out of the new partition before rebooting into it
[04:46] <baHam> ubuntu themes or icons
[04:46] <WW_> I'm trying mplayer since something in totem-xine has broken.  Is it normal that I has to create /dev/dvd by hand?
[04:46] <baHam> just a theme with ubuntu colors
[04:46] <wolf2945> hrm, having problems with gksudo. when i run a root app it asks for password, i put it in, but auth.log says its invalid. but if i type 'su' at prompt and use the same password it works fine. any ideas?
[04:46] <SmokingFire> baHam: What human theme?
[04:46] <baHam> or an iconset with ubuntu logo and color shapes
[04:47] <baHam> Human theme sucks..
[04:47] <scotth> gotd0t, you need gatos, I don't think its supported in ubuntu... its not even in debian proper if I remember correctly... its a long hard road
[04:47] <baHam> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshot-5.png 
[04:47] <SmokingFire> baHam: Ok, I understand, want different theme/icons based on the human theme/icons?
[04:47] <baHam> that's my actual desktop
[04:47] <baHam> but I want to change
[04:47] <WW_> Anyone?  Shouldn
[04:47] <xskoulax> scotth: wasn't gatos for tvout on ati cards?
[04:48] <scotth> WW_, you shouldnt have to create /dev/dvd... its ussually just a symlink... and /etc/udeb/links.conf controls that if memory serves... so just put it in there and restart udev
[04:48] <WW_> Anyone?  Shouldn't /dev/dvd be created automagically?
[04:48] <gotd0t> scotth: well I've heard from a bunch of people that i need to get configure xinerama to do it... but i havent figured out the right config yet
[04:48] <baHam> SmokingFire, something like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15723 <- that
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> crap guys
[04:48] <WW_> scotth: I created it as a symlink by hand.
[04:48] <scotth> xskoulax, gotd0t oh yeah... my fault it is xinerama... still a tough task
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> i just did a fresh install of Ubuntu one of my compters and im having problems
[04:49] <SmokingFire> baHam: Download and install the icon theme.
[04:49] <scotth> WW_, remove it and do it the udev way... it will be persistent across reboots
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> root@Ubuntu:/home/jane # apt-cache search fluxbox
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> root@Ubuntu:/home/jane 
[04:49] <baHam> SmokingFire, I want the same stuff like debian but an ubuntu theme..
[04:49] <baHam> SmokingFire, y'understand ?
[04:49] <xskoulax> yea gatos is for tv out gotd0t search google for xinerama i think there were some gides there
[04:49] <xskoulax> i had it running a while ago on a suse install
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> anyone?
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> guys, i cant do apt-gets
[04:49] <tolstoy> Eeek!  emacs doesn't syntax highlight python!  The sky is falling.
[04:49] <SmokingFire> baHam: No, but forget, I'm linux noob, so a lot is new to me.
[04:50] <RuffianSoldier> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:50] <RuffianSoldier> E: Couldn't find package fluxbox
[04:50] <gotd0t> xskoulax: well i have been trying the guides... but none of them weem to be working
[04:50] <xskoulax> was nice except when some applications decided to span the monitor on starting them
[04:50] <SmokingFire> tolstoy: the end of the world is near.
[04:50] <WW_> scotth: OK, thanks.  I take it that this bit of configuration is "normal", i.e. not something that Ubuntu should have configured automatically?
[04:50] <gotd0t> i was wondering if anybody knew anybody running dual monitors on a 9*00
[04:50] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, that means fluxbox isnt in ubuntu... it focusses on gnome... try using the universe... it might have fluxbox
[04:50] <tolstoy> SmokingFire, I mean, file.py, and #!/usr/bin/env python.  What more does emacs need (on ubuntu).
[04:50] <scotth> WW_, you should file a bug... ubuntu should take care of it by default
[04:50] <RuffianSoldier> i used to be able to do it scotth, but i just did a fresh install
[04:50] <xskoulax> gotd0t: if i could find my install cd i'd be in a better position to try to help, as it is my ati driver install borked
[04:51] <tolstoy> SmokingFire, and of course, syntax highlighting enabled.
[04:51] <Eno_> hey again.. i was wondering if rhythmbox was "broken"? i cant get it to add any of my files
[04:51] <SmokingFire> tolstoy: I just use gedit and its perfectly highlighted
[04:51] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, did you used to have the universe in your sources.list?
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> not sure
[04:51] <adam_> Go Ubuntu!! YIPEEEE!!!! :-D
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> how should i put it there?
[04:51] <scotth> try adding it
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[04:51] <SmokingFire> Eno_: Thats cause your IRC name sucks
[04:51] <scotth> ummm you can do it from synaptic
[04:51] <mirak_> haHA
[04:51] <Eno_> heh
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> what is synaptic?
[04:52] <WW_> scotth: Just checking... the line in links.conf should be: L  dvd   /dev/hdc
[04:52] <mirak_> omg
[04:52] <adam_> apt
[04:52] <adam_> lol
[04:52] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get universe?
[04:52] <tolstoy> SmokingFire, well, it is with vim as well.
[04:52] <adam_> anyone have a problem? just got here.
[04:52] <wolf2945> and i thought i was a newb heh
[04:52] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, are you in gnome?
[04:52] <Eno_> SmokingFire: so do you know how to get rhythmbox working? :P
[04:52] <scotth> WW_, yeah that looks right
[04:52] <RuffianSoldier> scotth, yes
[04:52] <wolf2945> adam_ i do
[04:52] <adam_> sup?
[04:52] <SmokingFire> tolstoy: Hey I wanted CLI editors, I would be using MS dos and Amiga ED.
[04:52] <wolf2945> having problems with gksudo. when i run a root app it asks for password, i put it in, but auth.log says its invalid. but if i type 'su' at prompt and use the same password it works fine. any ideas?
[04:53] <adam_> are your root password and your user password different?
[04:53] <wolf2945> yes
[04:53] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, go to "Computer" then "System Configuration" then "Synaptic..."
[04:53] <adam_> ok
[04:53] <adam_> when the dialog comes up for gksudo, put the user password in, not root
[04:53] <bipolar> I don't think my laptop does acpi
[04:53] <WW_> How do I restart udev?
[04:53] <RuffianSoldier> i know that adam_
[04:53] <bipolar> at least not in a compatable way
[04:53] <adam_> bipolar: which laptop?
[04:54] <SmokingFire> Eno_: Sorry I havn't tried to add files yet. But I tested with an Apple Itunes file (AAC) and it didn't work.
[04:54] <Eno_> ok
[04:54] <wolf2945> hah ok that works, i thought it wanted root pass
[04:54] <bipolar> adam_: micron transport gx+
[04:54] <wolf2945> thanks adam
[04:54] <scotth> WW_, sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart
[04:54] <bipolar> is there a way to tell the system to use apm instead?
[04:54] <adam_> wolf2945: np
[04:54] <SmokingFire> Eno_: So what format are you trying to import?
[04:54] <Eno_> SmokingFire: mostly mp3
[04:54] <SmokingFire> Eno_: that should work.
[04:54] <RuffianSoldier> scotth, what now?
[04:55] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, after that go to "Settings" "Repositories" you can check the box that has univers... you might have to scroll over
[04:55] <SmokingFire> can you play mp3's from rhytmnbox?
[04:55] <adam_> SmokingFire: yes
[04:55] <SmokingFire> sorry asking Eno_
[04:55] <adam_> lol
[04:55] <Eno_> nope
[04:55] <xskoulax> gotd0t: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175533&highlight=xinerama+9700 that thread might help
[04:55] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> i did
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> now what?
[04:56] <matthew> is there a package for xchat2.40?
[04:56] <Eno_> SmokingFire: and totem doesn't work either... and they both use gstreamer :/
[04:56] <Eno_> xmms works, though
[04:56] <gotd0t> xskoulax, thx
[04:56] <SmokingFire> Eno_: then download from synaptic the package gstreamer08-mad and log off and on.
[04:56] <scotth> now say ok and then hit "Reload"
[04:56] <scotth> and you should be able to install fluxbox
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> ok, thanks alot scotth
[04:57] <scotth> welcome
[04:57] <bipolar> there's got to be a way to switch to apm from acpi, right?
[04:57] <scotth> Eno_, apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad 
[04:57] <baHam> does anybody in here have an iPod and makes it work on linux ? (upload-download files from/to ipod)
[04:57] <adam_> is it possible to manipulate the window list? like make it square, remove the text?
[04:57] <scotth> what does that say?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> I know have fluxbox
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[04:59] <scotth> adam_, yes, right click on it and go to preferences or properties... it should be there
[04:59] <scotth> adam_, just bump up the number of rows
[04:59] <eldados> hello all
[04:59] <bipolar> I guess I'll work on it tomorrow at work. g'night all! :)
[05:00] <Eno_> SmokingFire: yay thanks, it works :)
[05:00] <adam_> it only lets me change the width, i'd have to change the height... but it only maxes at 120
[05:00] <SmokingFire> Eno_: ok
[05:00] <adam_> oh wait...
[05:01] <WW_> Another question for the multimedia experts.  I was told that I can get true full-screen video if I run mplayer with the command 'mplayer -vo xv'.  When I try this I just get errors, and I think I need to install another package.
[05:01] <WW_> Anyone know what it is?
[05:02] <scotth> WW_, I don't know why that would give you "true full-screen video" that just sets the video output plugin to xv
[05:03] <scotth> hey dannyboy nice to see you here
[05:03] <WW_> scotth: The default mplayer, even after hitting 'f' to play full-screen, only plays in a small rectangle in the middle of the screen.
[05:03] <scotth> WW_, ummm... use xine? one sec
[05:03] <WW_> scotth: I would, but it recently broke...
[05:03] <adam_> yea this is good thanks!
[05:04] <WW_> scotth: (See my earlier questions!)
[05:04] <scotth> WW_, that sounds like it sucks... let me see if I can find the proper incantations for mplayer... and maybe if I get the energy to scroll up Ill check that question
[05:04] <WW_> I would search myself, but I don't know where to start.
[05:05] <SmokingFire> I just use totem-xine for everythin.
[05:05] <scotth> WW_, where did you get working mplayer sources for ubuntu?
[05:05] <WW_> SmokingFire: I was using totem-xine, but something changed, and now it's not working happily.
[05:05] <WW_> scotth: I'm using Marillat's repository
[05:05] <SmokingFire> WW_: It doesn't you get blue screen?
[05:06] <scotth> ewww... Im on powerpc... must find mplayer man pages before I can help
[05:06] <WW_> WW_: Which one, mplayer or totem-xine?
[05:06] <WW_> doh!
[05:06] <SmokingFire> WW_: totem-xine
[05:06] <RuffianSoldier> wait, is the full release of 4.10 out?
[05:06] <jdub> no
[05:06] <RuffianSoldier> its not?
[05:06] <WW_> SmokingFire: Last week, I would sometimes get the blue screen in totem-xine, but if I started it again, it would work.
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> well was there a major update?
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> cuz this is alot better than the first time i installed it
[05:07] <WW_> SmokingFire: Now I have something else going wrong.
[05:07] <SmokingFire> WW_: that would be the same with me and also my advice, start again.
[05:07] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, new beta I think
[05:07] <SmokingFire> WW_: do tell
[05:07] <WW_> SmokingFire: Yup, tried it several times.
[05:08] <SmokingFire> WW_: what are you trying to get to play?
[05:08] <xskoulax> anyone know what xfree86-dga is?
[05:08] <scotth> WW_, pgrep esd
[05:08] <eldados> using ubuntu64 and happy... updating the repositories and installing, is ubuntu going to install 64? or is it a mix of 32 and 64?
[05:08] <scotth> WW_, can you try that for me?
[05:08] <gotd0t> thanks so much whoever just gave me that link
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here use XFce4.2 BETA?
[05:09] <xskoulax> i take it its working
[05:09] <gotd0t> yea
[05:09] <gotd0t> thank you sooo much
[05:09] <xskoulax> i feel all fuzzy inside
[05:09] <gotd0t> haah
[05:09] <xskoulax> if only i could make my stuff work
[05:09] <WW_> scotth: Sorry, I was in a different workspace, trying another dvd.
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> thanks again scotth, you helped me out biggtime
[05:09] <WW_> scotth: I'll get to it.
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> OOH! MY DOWNLOAD IS AT 400KBS!
[05:10] <xskoulax> actually linuxquestions is a good site to check stuff on some real good people helping out on their forums
[05:10] <eldados> using ubuntu64 and happy... updating the repositories and installing, is ubuntu going to install 64? or is it a mix of 32 and 64?
[05:10] <WW_> SmokingFire: Just trying to play a dvd.  When I select Movie->Play Disc in totem-xine, it just brings up a file selection window.
[05:10] <scotth> RuffianSoldier, anytime
[05:11] <SmokingFire> WW_: ok, sorry can't help then
[05:11] <WW_> scotth: pgrep esd returns nothing.
[05:11] <WW_> SmokingFire: np
[05:11] <scotth> WW_: type esd at the terminal... any error messages?
[05:12] <WW_> DAMN!  I forgot to turn the volume back down :)
[05:12] <matthew> what are standard dev tools, like to compile stuff like the kernel
[05:12] <scotth> oops
[05:12] <scotth> does totem work now?
[05:13] <SmokingFire> WW_: On my machines it returns 3986 (Just for your information) <pgrep esd>
[05:13] <WW_> scotth: No errors... it played a funky noise, and now it is just sitting there.  Should that have been esd & ?
[05:13] <scotth> matthew, if you want to compile a kernel have a look at kernel-package
[05:13] <scotth> WW_, no we want to see error messages
[05:13] <brettcar> matthew: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelHowto
[05:13] <scotth> WW_, try to use totem... 
[05:15] <matthew> well im trying to compile xchat-2.40
[05:15] <matthew> and i get this
[05:15] <matthew> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[05:15] <matthew> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[05:15] <matthew> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[05:15] <matthew> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[05:15] <matthew> configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
[05:15] <scotth> mathew, sudo apt-get build-dep xchat
[05:15] <matthew> i want xchat 2.40 not 2.08 witch is what ubuntu has
[05:16] <WW_> scotth: Well, that's a new error.  I tried playing the DVD that at least started before, but didn't have sound, and an error message popped up: The Application "totem" has quit unexpectedly.  You can inform the developers...
[05:16] <scotth> are you compiling xchat from virgin sources or from debian experimental sources?
[05:16] <scotth> hmmm
[05:17] <scotth> WW_, tail ~/.xsession-errors
[05:18] <WW_> scotth: What should I look for there?
[05:18] <WW_> scotth: The last two lines are
[05:18] <scotth> WW_, totem barfing all over itself
[05:18] <WW_> Exiting... (Exit)
[05:18] <WW_> looking for type: got application/msword
[05:18] <Mais> Anyone know how i can mount a usb thumb drive in ubuntu?>
[05:19] <jdub> stick it in the usb port :)
[05:19] <WW_> scotth: There is stuff before that, but nothing that looks like barf.
[05:19] <Mais> doesnt appear to be that easy
[05:19] <scotth> WW_, try starting totem from the command line, also totem has never been all that stable for me... I perfer gxine
[05:20] <WW_> scotth: This is probably a question that can't be answered easily (if at all), but has there been anything updated in the last few days that would have messed with this?
[05:20] <RuffianSoldier> Moo
[05:21] <scotth> WW_, I just installed ubuntu 4 hours ago, in fact my backup restore process just completed... Im a debian refugee... 
[05:21] <WW_> scotth: I started totem from the command and got the same error, but nothing was printed on the console.
[05:21] <baHam> does anybody know how to get "trash" "home" and stuff like that icons on the desktop ?
[05:21] <scotth> WW_, I would personally break out gdb... but thats just me
[05:22] <Mais> of course it would probably help if that port was hooked up !! aiiie
[05:22] <WW_> scotth: That's a LOT deeper than I want to go!
[05:22] <Skif> I have a friend who just put ubuntu on his laptop, and it isn't recognizing the orinoco PCMCIA card he just inserted.  He's tried manually modprobe()ing orinoco_cs, and it still isn't finding it.  Suggestions?
[05:22] <scotth> WW_, figured, I dunno... let me see if I can find a dvd
[05:22] <Skif> (he's sitting next to me at the moment, so I can relay questions)
[05:23] <WW_> scotth: Go for it, but I predict it will work perfectly for you. :)
[05:23] <phin> anyone know how to install the hostap drivers?
[05:23] <scotth> WW_, so far thats all ubuntu has done
[05:23] <phin> im trying to get them to work with no luck
[05:23] <phin> do i need to compile my own kernel or something?
[05:24] <scotth> phin, you need kernel-headers
[05:24] <scotth> or maybe linux-headers...
[05:24] <baHam> does anybody have
[05:25] <baHam> icons 
[05:25] <baHam> llike home and trash
[05:25] <baHam> on the desktop ?
[05:25] <phin> and that should do it scotth?
[05:25] <jdub> baHam: no.
[05:25] <baHam> jdub, there is no way or what?
[05:25] <Dekkard> i had one.. when i plugged in my usb mp3 player..
[05:25] <phin> i heard using the hostap drivers work better then the orinico drivers for client
[05:25] <speel> hey in ubuntu where is the location of the header files usualy its in like /usr/src/linux/include
[05:25] <phin> i would like to be able to do scanning and the such
[05:26] <jdub> baHam: we've made it so icons don't appear on the desktop. you've got the computer menu and trash applet on the panel to replace them. this is much more useful.
[05:26] <Skif> any help with an orinoco that isn't showing up after insert?
[05:26] <Dethread> speel, /usr/include/ I think
[05:27] <Dethread> speel, /usr/include/linux that is
[05:27] <baHam> jdub, so, there is NO way to get them ON the desktop ?
[05:28] <jdub> baHam: if, for some reason, you can't evolve yourself out of the icons-on-the-desktop mess
[05:28] <jdub> baHam: you can change some settings in gconf to bring back the special icons (computer, trash, home, etc)
[05:28] <jdub> under /apps/nautilus
[05:28] <jdub> but i recommend using it as-is for a while, it's great
[05:28] <speel> damn i cant get my webcam driver to make
[05:29] <scotth> phin, maybe, just installed ubuntu
[05:30] <WW_> Back to a basic question: should putting a DVD into the CD/DVD drive cause a file browser to pop up?
[05:30] <scotth> WW_, I don't think so, does it have data on it or just movie?
[05:30] <WW_> scotth: As far as I know, just a move. 
[05:30] <WW_> scotth: But I know nothing about the actual format of these things.
[05:31] <scotth> WW_, probably a bug
[05:31] <WW_> I also get an icon on the desktop.  I know unbuntu is supposed to do that for data cds.
[05:31] <speel> yea it does
[05:32] <WW_> speel: You talking to me?  (... he says with his best DeNiro imitation...)
[05:32] <speel> lol , yea
[05:33] <WW_> speel: So you put in a DVD, and a browser pops up?
[05:33] <speel> i put in a data cd and a icon comes on my desktop
[05:33] <smo> WW_: I get the same, despite my setting in gnome-volume-manager
[05:34] <WW_> speel: Ah.  What about a DVD (assuming you have one handy, and the drive is a DVD drive)
[05:34] <speel> sorry no dvd drive ;(
[05:34] <Dethread> I have a CD-RW/DVD drive
[05:34] <Dethread> let's see what happens if I pop in a DVD...
[05:34] <WW_> Dethread: That's what I have.
[05:34] <smo> I'm curious if it's related to the difference in iso/ufs filesystems .. the DVD I'm trying with uses an iso format
[05:35] <speel> hey any ubuntu team members in here?
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> KDE Works with Ubuntu right?
[05:35] <Dethread> popped up a file browser
[05:35] <WW_> smo: Don't know about that... the only DVDs I have here are movies.
[05:35] <Dethread> RuffianSoldier, it's not supported
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> so it ownt owrk
[05:36] <smo> WW_: This one is also a movie .. but some use UFS, some use ISO .. this is "Being John Molkovich" on an ISO-formatted disk
[05:36] <Dethread> RuffianSoldier, well, it might...it's just not officially supported
[05:36] <speel> aw no ubuntu team members in here?
[05:36] <smo> WW_: Which gnome recognises as a data volume, rather than a dvd
[05:37] <Dethread> RuffianSoldier, don't like Gnome 2.8 ? :)
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> I lvoe it
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> but i also love KDE
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> hell, i love anything Linux/BSD/UNIX/
[05:37] <WW_> smo: Well, when I try opening the disc with totem-xine, it brings up a file selection window, and it looks like the disc does have files in it.
[05:37] <Sn0wman> the live CD kicks ass!  (I just tested it)
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> YA!
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> DAMN SMALL LINUX!
[05:38] <WW_> Uh, Ruff...
[05:38] <RuffianSoldier> what?
[05:38] <WW_> This is the Ubunut channel!
[05:38] <WW_> oops, Ubuntu
[05:38] <RuffianSoldier> SUSE ALL THE WAY!
[05:38] <smo> WW_: Ditto, I get a file selector  (and yes, this is a "real" DVD, not a copy :o)
[05:38] <RuffianSoldier> Libranet RULES!
[05:38] <WW_> smo: Can you get the movie to play?
[05:39] <WW_> smo: All the DVD that I have are "real", too.
[05:39] <smo> WW_: in xine, yes .. in totem-xine, I get a real mess if I try to open any of the .vob files in VIDEO_TS
[05:39] <Zindar> do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[05:40] <Zindar> you shouldn't open the .vob-files directly
[05:40] <scotth> WW_, totem blows, Im going to package gxine for ubuntu
[05:40] <smo> Zindar: Yes, and the same disks work perfectly in mplayer & xine
[05:40] <smo> and the "Open Disk" dialog doesn't seem to offer any alternative to openning the files themselves
[05:40] <speel> any one play lgeneral?
[05:41] <phin> scotth: so i install linux-kernel-headers and the hostap stuff and i should be ready to compile it?
[05:41] <Zindar> smo: run "totem dvd://"
[05:41] <WW_> smo: Well, it's comforting to know that I'm not the only one...
[05:41] <smo> Zindar: That appears to work
[05:42] <scotth> phin, maybe, I know how to do it under debian... Im new to ubuntu... try... if it gives an error then tell me and Ill try to help
[05:42] <phin> do you know of a page with help for debian, most things like that work the same.
[05:43] <scotth> phin, /usr/share/doc/ on debian systems is what I always used
[05:44] <phin> ok
[05:44] <phin> thanks
[05:44] <phin> wish me luck :)
[05:44] <speel> how do you get to fonts://
[05:44] <phin> you use hostap for clients?
[05:44] <smo> speel: ctrl-L in any nautilus window will get you an address entry where you can feed it that
[05:45] <Zindar> speel: alt-f2 type fonts://
[05:45] <Zindar> or ctrl-l in nautilus
[05:45] <speel> ty
[05:47] <alka_trash> I'm thinking that they should go with the gartoon icon theme
[05:47] <phin> gartoon is nice
[05:47] <RuffianSoldier> wine rules
[05:48] <alka_trash> I like beer too
[05:48] <alka_trash> :)
[05:48] <RuffianSoldier> LOL!
[05:48] <alka_trash> what are you running with wine
[05:48] <speel> winehq sucks when it comes to games
[05:49] <WW_> Zindar, smo: Running totem dvd:// plays the video (that's progress), but there is no sound.
[05:49] <alka_trash> true, unless you want to play harts
[05:49] <phin> cedega rocks :)
[05:49] <speel> hearts... lol
[05:49] <alka_trash> he he
[05:49] <smo> WW_: I have sound just fine.  I'm using alsa rather than esd if that helps
[05:49] <speel> i would like to play some CS or UT
[05:50] <alka_trash> UT has native binaries. right?
[05:50] <WW_> smo: Dumb question, but... How can I check which one I'm using?
[05:51] <Despair> Yep. UT2004 even ships with linux bins on the CDs.
[05:51] <speel> yea actually i think they do
[05:51] <alka_trash> does anyone else use beep-media-player
[05:51] <smo> WW_: Good question :o)  "pidof esd" returns nothing for me, as I don't have esound's daemon running
[05:51] <alka_trash> speel: it would run faster with the binaries
[05:52] <speel> yea
[05:52] <WW_> smo: Earlier scotth ask me to run pgrep esd; I assume that looks for "esd" in the list of processes. So I guess I am not using esd.
[05:52] <phin> alka: i use it
[05:53] <alka_trash> phin: are you using the bmp-wma plug?
[05:53] <phin> no
[05:53] <phin> i dont like wma
[05:53] <phin> lol
[05:53] <speel> ughhhh when i tryed to install firefox 1.0 with there isntaller they have i got this error ... fatal error [-618]  couldejnt open xpistub library any ideas???
[05:53] <phin> im just running it all vanilla
[05:54] <adam_> hey guys, where should I post this? http://www.rit.edu/~ask1725/ubuntu_Evo_N800c/
[05:54] <alka_trash> phin: I agree with, but I have some music that in that format. The thing is my system is so nice that I don't want to download lib to compile. I guess that'll just have to suck up and compile them myself :(
[05:54] <phin> shouldnt be to hard
[05:55] <wolf2945> adam, any idea why nvidia-settings gives me a seg fault?
[05:55] <phin> does ubuntu use kernel tree pcmcia modules, or pcmcia-cs
[05:55] <phin> ?
[05:56] <adam_> Nope
[05:56] <adam_> sorry
[05:59] <Zindar> pcmcia-cs is long dead if I remember correctly...
[05:59] <moyogo> wow... flumotion just came out
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> i love evolution
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> its wine time
[06:04] <Se7h> o.0
[06:04] <phin> zindar: looks like it uses pcmcia-cs
[06:04] <phin> its installed atleast
[06:04] <WW_> fun fun fun... so I'm trying gxine, and it's setup wizard tells me there is not /dev/dvd symbolic link, but in fact there is.
[06:05] <speel> where are the ubuntu team developerrrrrsss?
[06:05] <WW_> speel: Probably busy finishing the official release
[06:05] <speel> they dont love us :(
[06:05] <daniels> speel: dunno, we can't really support installing firefox with their installer
[06:05] <daniels> try googling around, if that doesn't help, no idea, sorry
[06:06] <daniels> sticking with 0.9.3 is a better option though, because the 1.0 stuff is very, very buggy
[06:06] <daniels> e.g. crashing when something tries to pop up a JavaScript window
[06:06] <speel> hmm intresting thaught
[06:06] <WW_> I think someone out there has a little clay and straw model of my DVD player, and they are sticking pins into it.
[06:06] <freakabcd> woah..
[06:07] <freakabcd> do they actually send out the cds?
[06:07] <freakabcd> anyone can tell me they have received cds outside of the US and Canada ?
[06:07] <daniels> freakabcd: you mean with shipit.ubuntulinux.org?
[06:07] <freakabcd> yeah
[06:07] <daniels> freakabcd: the CDs haven't yet been pressed and sent, given we haven't got a final image out
[06:07] <freakabcd> oh, okies when it gets done, they will send it to me?
[06:08] <xskoulax> WW_: i hate you :- i was just forced to choose between spraying tea on my laptop or swallowing it and choking, i decided choking was cheaper ;)
[06:08] <daniels> freakabcd: if you registered on shipit, most certainly
[06:08] <WW_> xksoulax: Sorry...
[06:08] <freakabcd> ok, i just registered. thats why i wanted to know
[06:09] <speel> thats pretty impressive
[06:09] <Lathiat> is 50 a bit excessive? :), maybe is hould get more, got the local LUG and stuff to bling them too
[06:09] <speel> has any other distro done that?
[06:09] <Lathiat> not afaik
[06:09] <Lathiat> you can get them at like conferences and stuf sometimes, but not mailed afaik
[06:09] <speel> pretty sweet :P ubuntu got the hook up lol
[06:10] <xskoulax> speaking of the cds, i'm assuming its either the live cd or the install cd you can get mailed but not both
[06:11] <freakabcd> xskoulax, huh? the shipit doesn;t ask which ones i want!
[06:11] <Lathiat> afaik you just get the install cd....
[06:12] <WW_> AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!  I had to run gxine as root (probably the permissions aren't right on the /dev/dvd link), and it played the DVD!  For about 10 seconds!  AND THEN IT SEG FAULTED!!!!
[06:12] <WW_> I hate computers.
[06:14] <xskoulax> freakabcd: i haven't actually signed up to get a cd yet so i was speculating
[06:14] <speel> ah what do i do Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m 
[06:14] <xskoulax> i thought that the live cd might have been distributed that way too
[06:15] <speel> help
[06:15] <speel> lol
[06:15] <freakabcd> i wouldn;t mind getting an 'official' live cd as well :)
[06:16] <jdub> xskoulax: you get both
[06:16] <jdub> xskoulax: for i386, at least.
[06:16] <freakabcd> jdub, ?
[06:16] <xskoulax> ok ubuntu just gets better and better
[06:17] <freakabcd> so you means if i ask for 10 i386 discs, i get 10 installcds + 10 live cds ?
[06:18] <jdub> yes
[06:18] <jdub> in a little packet
[06:18] <jdub> which has install on one side live cd on the other
[06:18] <jdub> 10 packets
[06:18] <freakabcd> wonderful + sweet
[06:18] <freakabcd> any idea when they will start shipping?
[06:19] <freakabcd> can't wait to get my hands on the official disc :)
[06:19] <jdub> early november
[06:19] <freakabcd> ah, soon my preciousss
[06:19] <freakabcd> :)
[06:19] <punkass> why in gedit does Open file in show Network "bookmarks" but Save As does not ?
[06:20] <speel> dosen't 0.9.3 fire fox pose a security threat?
[06:20] <coventry> What is the merit of Ubuntu over, say, Debian?
[06:20] <xskoulax> jdub: the powerpc cds are install disks correct
[06:21] <jdub> yeah
[06:21] <xskoulax> coventry: It just works ;)
[06:21] <jdub> amd64 and powerpc are just install
[06:21] <WW_> OK, so mplayer only gives me a tiny display, totem-xine has no sound, and gxine segfaults.  What are the chance of vlc working?
[06:21] <xskoulax> should get my dad a ppc set then
[06:21] <mdz> coventry: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[06:22] <coventry> Oh, sort of like knoppix?  Yeah, I just found the "debian and ubuntu page" on that site.
[06:22] <mdz> coventry: we do have a live CD like knoppix, but Ubuntu is more commonly installed like a normal distribution
[06:23] <coventry> I see.  Thanks.
[06:25] <xskoulax> coventry: look at it as a easy to install debian desktop os on a 6 month release cycle, thats my impression anyhoo
[06:25] <punkass> ok i am trying to edit a file via a samba share with edit
[06:25] <punkass> on the server the file is read/writable by everyone but when i open it in gedit it is ReadOnly
[06:26] <xskoulax> coventry: oh yea forgot to mention the community has been great the 2 and a bit days i've been sitting here
[06:26] <xskoulax> i don't know how the debian community is, but ubuntu thus far is top-notch
[06:27] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:27] <WW_> Unbelievable... nobody make any sudden moves... I think vlc is working.
[06:27] <RuffianSoldier> does warty live have Gnome 2.8?
[06:28] <xskoulax> RuffianSoldier: i would imagine so
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> 26  	Ubuntu  	159<
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu scored 26 on distro watch
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> thats damn good
[06:29] <jdub> RuffianSoldier: the livecd is exactly the same as the installed version
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> kool
[06:29] <Lathiat> one step closer to world domination
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> LOL
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> Anyone here tried Libranet
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> i came from Libranet, its great
[06:30] <WW_> RuffianSoldier: Yup (but maybe you knew that)
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> I did WW_
[06:31] <WW_> Later... I'm _finally_ going to watch this darn movie (but by now, I'll probably fall asleep in the middle of it).
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> hehe
[06:33] <aitrus> that's pretty funny that Libranet claims to be "the top linux distro" when they are running really old stuff
[06:39] <punkass> if i use the "connect to server" is there any other way to veiw those folders, or is it just some virtual directory?
[06:42] <punkass> its just over a samba share
[06:42] <aitrus> you can use smbmount if you install it
[06:42] <punkass> yeah...but the connect to server is just nice to use...
[06:44] <punkass> for example bluefish's Open dialog box does not include the network 'bookmarks'  so i am wondering if there is another way to get at them with out having to smbmount etc
[06:44] <jdub> http://www.geekindenial.com/blog/archives/2004/10/switching_back.html
[06:45] <punkass> lol
[06:45] <RuffianSoldier> damn, i need the Ubuntu Logo
[06:46] <punkass> its in the wiki
[06:46] <punkass> under Artwork
[06:46] <punkass> a nice big SVG
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> huh
[06:46] <punkass> u want the Ubuntu Logo?
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> just hte little symbol
[06:47] <punkass> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork
[06:47] <toyowheelin> hey all
[06:48] <toyowheelin> is there a package for java?
[06:48] <toyowheelin> like JRE
[06:48] <RuffianSoldier> kool
[06:48] <RuffianSoldier> thanks punkass
[06:49] <punkass> np
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> THATS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED! YAY!
[06:50] <moyogo> toyowheelin: isn't there one in multiverse?
[06:50] <toyowheelin> ???
[06:50] <phin> hostap drivers a pita!
[06:50] <phin> lol
[06:50] <toyowheelin> I dont know I just have universe never heard of multiverse
[06:51] <moyogo> maybe multiverse is not complete yet
[06:52] <moyogo> it might be in your apt sources list later on
[06:53] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:55] <toyowheelin> I was gonna use the one off the java site but I doubt it works on 64bit
[06:56] <RuffianSoldier> LOL!
[06:56] <phin> toy: it should
[06:56] <phin> its just emulated
[06:57] <toyowheelin> I will try and see
[06:57] <phin> in 32bit more
[06:57] <phin> any 32bit should work
[06:57] <phin> even with a 64bit kernel
[06:57] <phin> i have yet to hear problems
[06:57] <toyowheelin> phin, 32bit flash will not run on 64bit
[06:58] <phin> really?
[06:58] <phin> weird
[06:58] <toyowheelin> so I have no flash capabilities
[06:58] <Hmmmmm_> people, is warty finally out?
[07:01] <__daniel> goooood morning!
[07:02] <humbertoyeverino> hello folks
[07:02] <Hmmmmm_> people, is warty finally out?
[07:03] <humbertoyeverino> nopw
[07:03] <humbertoyeverino> !
[07:04] <Hmmmmm_> humbertoyeverino, but isnt today the release day?
[07:05] <humbertoyeverino> I just reloaded the page... It says release candidate.
[07:05] <phin> dude
[07:05] <phin> its only 1am
[07:05] <phin> give it some time
[07:05] <humbertoyeverino> hope they fix the parted bug. I couldn't install the RC
[07:05] <Hmmmmm_> o i forgot the time dif
[07:05] <Hmmmmm_> im in india
[07:06] <phin> they took our jorbs!
[07:07] <xskoulax> morning __daniel 
[07:07] <__daniel> hai xskoulax :-)
[07:07] <aitrus> the email the email oh oh the email!
[07:07] <Hmmmmm_> and how about all the atrocious things u did to the world?
[07:08] <xskoulax> Hmmmmm_: define u
[07:09] <__daniel> oh... what's this discussion gonna be?
[07:09] <humbertoyeverino> Hmmmmm: Are you going to undercut us there too? 
[07:09] <humbertoyeverino> kidding
[07:10] <Hmmmmm_> xskoulax, well first ask phin to define "they"
[07:10] <phin> im kidding
[07:10] <toyowheelin> aitrus, needs to watch out for TROGDOR!!!
[07:10] <phin> geez
[07:10] <aitrus> sworded!
[07:10] <phin> TROGDOR WAS A MAN
[07:10] <phin> NO
[07:11] <phin> HE WAS A DRAGON MAN
[07:11] <toyowheelin> MSGd'
[07:11] <aitrus> with his caps lock key stuck....
[07:11] <phin> OR MAYBE HE WAS JUST, A DRAGON
[07:11] <phin> lol
[07:11] <toyowheelin> aitrus, got msgd'
[07:11] <punkass> phin: that is a funny bit
[07:12] <phin> yes it is :)
[07:12] <phin> ok got hostap compiling
[07:12] <phin> HOPEFULLY
[07:12] <phin> it works this time
[07:12] <phin> lol
[07:12] <jayeola> phin: use *'s to highlight stuff, like *this*
[07:13] <jayeola> or _this_
[07:13] <jayeola> caps are hard to read
[07:13] <phin> right o
[07:13] <phin> brb
[07:13] <phin> gonna test these drivers out
[07:13] <phin> wish me luck!
[07:14] <jayeola> updating all packages from 1st install - taking approx 40min ;/
[07:15] <jayeola> gonna install source code, gcc and all stuff required for compiling source code
[07:16] <jayeola> any uk users here?
[07:16] <jayeola> <--- considering buying an ipod (or something similar)
[07:19] <ubergoober> Love my iPod
[07:19] <jayeola> work with linux ok?
[07:19] <jayeola> any hacks?
[07:19] <ubergoober> I don't use it with linux... I've got a powerbook
[07:19] <jayeola> k
[07:19] <bob2_> there's a few tools in universe to work with them
[07:20] <jayeola> ;)
[07:20] <Se7h> checking for gcc... no
[07:20] <Se7h> checking for cc... no
[07:20] <Se7h> :|
[07:20] <bob2_> but it should mount as a regular disk
[07:20] <bob2_> Se7h: install build-essential
[07:20] <bob2_> Se7h: (it's in the FAQ)
[07:20] <jayeola> good!
[07:20] <Zindar> Se7h: apt-get install build-essential
[07:20] <Zindar> ahh
[07:20] <Zindar> bob was quicker
[07:20] <bob2_> always :P
[07:20] <Se7h> oh is it? sorry then
[07:20] <jayeola> shame the mini-disk can't be mounted. i love it but it uses the atrac file system
[07:21] <bob2_> yeah...
[07:21] <jayeola> i've tried but u can't upload to a minidisc via usb
[07:21] <jayeola> bugger!
[07:21] <bob2_> sony once made data minidisc drives, but they were deliberately incompatible with music ones
[07:21] <bob2_> there are some netmd tools, but none of them support direct uploading (or downloading)
[07:21] <ubergoober> I have a NetMD stashed somewhere..
[07:21] <jayeola> i've even read the patents for atract - very complicared
[07:22] <jayeola> u need to know about sound and digital signals
[07:22] <jayeola> and know them very well
[07:22] <jayeola> plus even the patents say that the encryption is very complicated
[07:22] <jayeola> that's the only reason i'd ever use windoze
[07:23] <Despair> patents always claim wondrous things about encryption. then it turns out to be a rot13 variant.
[07:23] <jayeola> but if i get a pod.....
[07:23] <ubergoober> can't wrap the dlls?
[07:23] <jayeola> rt13?
[07:23] <Se7h> where is libnet?
[07:23] <Se7h> i've installed it
[07:23] <Se7h> but it seems this isn't finding it
[07:23] <Se7h> checking for libnet_build_ip in -lnet... no
[07:23] <bob2_> do you mean libnet1?
[07:24] <bob2_> what are you compiling?
[07:24] <jayeola> i'm prepared to give hacking the md a go, but i'd need to have loads of tricks up me sleeve
[07:24] <__daniel> Se7h, look at    ./configure --help    - maybe you have to point it somewhere
[07:24] <Se7h> hmm
[07:24] <bob2_> jayeola: some very smart people have tried and failed...
[07:25] <__daniel> you also have a libnet*-dev installed?
[07:25] <bob2_> jayeola: they did get almost everything else working, tho, so you can use your conmputer to tell your MD to record from linein, at least
[07:25] <ubergoober> They should just open it up, Minidiscs aren't going anywhere...
[07:25] <Despair> jayeola: a lot of companies used to use incredibly simple "security" that was incredibly vulnerable to brute force analysis.
[07:25] <__daniel> Se7h: you also have a libnet*-dev installed?
[07:25] <Se7h> no
[07:25] <bob2_> Se7h: what are you building?
[07:25] <__daniel> Se7h, well, it's what you need, when you're going to compile anything
[07:26] <Se7h> bob2_ is that relevant ?
[07:26] <bob2_> Se7h: er, of course?
[07:26] <meff> i just am starting to play with ubuntu, im a long time debian user.. i have a question about universe, how often are pkgs updated in universe? i know its unsupported, i am just curious
[07:27] <__daniel> meff, wait after the release of warty :-)
[07:28] <xskoulax> meff: what are your impressions so far?
[07:28] <jayeola> Despair: if i knew the basics. i would give it a try. but i'd need to start on the right footing
[07:28] <meff> i've only used it for a few minutes on another box, and i am dl'ing the iso right now on this one..
[07:28] <meff> so, can't say yet ;)
[07:29] <jayeola> Despair: i've read loads. and i know that some l33ts have tried and failed.
[07:29] <xskoulax> meff: thats a fair valuation ;)
[07:29] <SmokingFire> I just found this site: Its nice to see whats available on gnome: http://freshmeat.net/browse/58/
[07:29] <jayeola> but i'd give it a try of i knew the steps to take.....
[07:29] <bob2_> jayeola: "l33ts" don't acheive anything
[07:29] <xskoulax> s/evaluation/valuation
[07:29] <whiprush> anyone try thom's NetworkManager packages?
[07:29] <bob2_> jayeola: to reverse engineer the usb netmd stream would take a very smart hacker.
[07:29] <SuitsixX> hello
[07:29] <meff> i can't find on the homepage a package listing for each area... is there anything like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[07:30] <jayeola> Despair: oh yeah?
[07:30] <punkass> SmokingFire: you know about gnomefiles.com right?
[07:30] <xskoulax> hello SuitsixX 
[07:30] <ubergoober> jayeola: do a search on USB sniffer
[07:30] <jayeola> Despair: and you say that l33ts don't achive anything...
[07:30] <SmokingFire> punkass: I do but this one has interesting files.
[07:30] <jayeola> thanks will do Despair 
[07:30] <punkass> ah ok
[07:31] <SmokingFire> punkass: I think they have the same, but you know on freshmeat, I can see apps I didn't know I needed.
[07:31] <jayeola> thanks also ubergoober 
[07:31] <punkass> hehe
[07:31] <jayeola> but what makes you say that l33ts don't achive anything?
[07:31] <__daniel> meff, didnt find one yet
[07:32] <SuitsixX> im a total linux noob just looking for a good first distro
[07:32] <__daniel> SuitsixX, ubuntu *rocks*
[07:32] <bob2_> SuitsixX: ubuntu is a pretty good choice then.
[07:32] <SuitsixX> a friend at work recomended mandrake but i was looking around and found ubuntu
[07:32] <meff> ok i have a few questions i can't figure out by the homepage... are there pkgs in restricted for the nvidia module? also, are there any 2.4 kernel packages?
[07:32] <bob2_> jayeola: if you mean "l33t" as in "script kiddy moron", then, no, they very rarely acheieve anything useful or find out anything new.
[07:33] <xskoulax> mandrake is considered a good noob distro, ubuntu *IS* a good noob distro
[07:33] <bob2_> meff: yes, and only in universe.
[07:33] <bob2_> meff: 2.4 is not supported.
[07:33] <__daniel> bob2_, isnt it in restricted?
[07:34] <xskoulax> meff http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto has install instructions for nvidia and ati drivers
[07:34] <SuitsixX> i have one question im more of a figure it out myself person but hows harware support as far as newer stuff in ubuntu
[07:34] <jayeola> bob2_: aha. thanks. i always thought (erroneously) that l33t meant elite
[07:34] <bob2_> meff: er, the bit after the comma was refering to 2.4 kernels :)
[07:34] <meff> jayeola: l33t = elite idiot :)
[07:34] <bob2_> jayeola: "elite" is only used jokingly in linux-land.
[07:34] <jayeola> ;)
[07:34] <__daniel> jayeola, REAL elite guys won't call themselves anything
[07:35] <bob2_> SuitsixX: most should work...
[07:35] <SuitsixX> im getting sick and tired of windows sucking so bad
[07:35] <jayeola> thanks. all know is clear - i am happy to be a noob
[07:35] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: hardware on my box seems perfect thus far only been running it 2 days mind you
[07:35] <SuitsixX> im getting an a64 in like 2 days
[07:35] <xskoulax> not exactly the newest machine around though parts purchased in 2001-2003
[07:35] <SuitsixX> and ubuntu is 64 bit correct?
say it loud - 'i'm a noob and i'm proud'</sings>
[07:35] <xskoulax> mmmmmmmm a64
[07:35] <ubergoober> yep
[07:35] <SuitsixX> yeah 3000+
[07:36] <SuitsixX> so id be golden
[07:36] <SuitsixX> haha
[07:36] <SuitsixX> yeah ive had my 2500+ barton for like since the core came out
[07:36] <SuitsixX> makes me sad how fast the price went down
[07:37] <xskoulax> running a smoking hot amd tbird 1.4ghz from right before they started the + numbering scheme
[07:37] <SuitsixX> yeah that was what i ran before my barton
[07:37] <SuitsixX> thing still cooks
[07:38] <xskoulax> cooks with ubuntu, its alright with xp
[07:38] <SuitsixX> my other box is a 1.4 tbird with a gig of mem
[07:38] <xskoulax> ubuntu is blazingly responsive
[07:38] <xskoulax> thats on a 1.4 with 512
[07:38] <SuitsixX> so as far as system recource usage its a pretty light load?
[07:39] <bob2_> it's gnome
[07:39] <xskoulax> i couldn't quote numbers on load, but i'm impressed with the speed
[07:39] <bob2_> it's not that light, but if you have a amd64 you won't care
[07:39] <SuitsixX> yeah
[07:40] <SuitsixX> probably much better that xp pro
[07:40] <SuitsixX> weak os
[07:40] <SuitsixX> rather run 2000
[07:40] <xskoulax> faster than my xp pro it seems
[07:40] <meff> ok the faq says use marillat for mplayer and such, i'm using these sources for debian unstable at the moment, do they work without a hitch on ubuntu?
[07:40] <bob2_> they work fine.
[07:40] <xskoulax> 2000 was nice xp seems to handle games better for me
[07:40] <bob2_> use the testing line, tho
[07:41] <SuitsixX> one thing thats held me back from linux for all these years is im a gamer and im not sure if my games will run right with wine of whatever other win emus there are
[07:41] <SuitsixX> or*
[07:41] <meff> heh, i dont play games so thats not a problem for me
[07:41] <meff> ;)
[07:42] <xskoulax> depends on the game, but there is always the dual boot option
[07:42] <SuitsixX> yeah true
[07:42] <xskoulax> if your only using windows for gaming you can have a light windows install too so the registry hell should be less ;)
[07:42] <SuitsixX> yeah xps reg is total garbage
[07:43] <SuitsixX> i uninstalled norton and installed avg free edition and i gained 1800 3d marks in 03 and lost 14 viruses :)
[07:44] <SuitsixX> norton sucks so bad
[07:44] <SuitsixX> what av's do you guys use?
[07:44] <__daniel> under linux, none :-)
[07:44] <meff> av?
[07:44] <bob2_> hahaha
[07:44] <meff> oh anti virus
[07:44] <SuitsixX> anti virus
[07:44] <__daniel> but on my mailserver i use clamscan
[07:44] <SmokingFire> on win I use mcafee which I get for free from my ISP.
[07:44] <__daniel> clamav via amavis
[07:44] <Zindar> I've never seen the need for one
[07:45] <SuitsixX> well i got 14 somehow with norton installed
[07:45] <khronic> postfix+amavis+clamav+spamassasin yum
[07:45] <__daniel> khronic, you name it! ;-)
[07:45] <SuitsixX> but i do visit a lot of questionable websites
[07:45] <__daniel> khronic, and cyrus21-imap behind it :-)
[07:46] <jayeola> hurrah! update and dist-upgrade complete!
[07:46] <__daniel> SuitsixX, i always thought freeav.de was a nice one
[07:46] <khronic> courier here :P
[07:46] <jayeola> avg is good for doze
[07:47] <Nop_Cat> Hi :)
[07:47] <punkass> yeah i use avg when running ms
[07:47] <SuitsixX> yeah ive been looking at kaspersky
[07:47] <__daniel> khronic, i had an old install with exim3 and exiscan *shudder* which just didnt't work after a reinstall (it took me days to get it running) and postfix just made it work in less than 2 hours ;-)
[07:47] <bob2> khronic: hm, I set it all up but for some reason amavis won't add SA headers
[07:47] <Nop_Cat> Could you tell me basically what's the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian ?
[07:47] <SuitsixX> its polish and gets ab 100 awards like every test/os
[07:48] <bob2> Nop_Cat: debian sid, frozen, stabilised and released every 6 months
[07:48] <meff> someone please tell me ubuntu does not use console.perms and crap like rh/fedora and it uses the debian-style add-to-group method.. hehe
[07:48] <Zindar> and sane defaults, gnome,sudo, locked root
[07:48] <Zindar> meff: like debian
[07:49] <meff> thanks!
[07:49] <meff> whoo
[07:49] <SuitsixX> so ubuntu is more gui based that fedora?
[07:49] <bob2> define "gui-based"
[07:49] <SuitsixX> cause i type kinda slow
[07:49] <jayeola> ;/
[07:49] <bob2> it doesn't have as many gui tools as fedora
[07:49] <Nop_Cat> Oh thx :)
[07:49] <meff> god, you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to get fedora running with 2 simultaneous x sessions up :O
[07:49] <SuitsixX> not as much as windows but not as much needing to use a console
[07:50] <jayeola> the doze "shell" is pants
[07:50] <Nop_Cat> bob2: A bit like Mepis, but applied to sid instead of sarge ?
[07:50] <bob2> Nop_Cat: no, it's a proper linux distribution.
[07:51] <Nop_Cat> bob2: Mmm k. I'll try it :) sounds cool
[07:51] <SuitsixX> but im sure once i switch over to linux ill get faster typing so no big deal
[07:51] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: i think if you're serious about trying linux as an os except when gaming, ubuntu would be a very good place to start.
[07:52] <SuitsixX> thats what im thinking
[07:52] <Nop_Cat> Thx, have fun :)
[07:52] <meff> im just excited to see something debian-based with current security patches and a nice release cycle!
[07:52] <xskoulax> i've used suse, radhat, and slackware in my time, not all that well but so far ubuntu beats the pants off them except maybe slack
[07:53] <SuitsixX> alright
[07:53] <__daniel> xskoulax, the thing i love about debian and ubuntu is: i didnt reinstall my desktop for 4 years ;-)
[07:53] <SuitsixX> ill keep that in mind
[07:53] <SuitsixX> no shit?
[07:53] <SuitsixX> 4 years
[07:53] <__daniel> yes :-)
[07:53] <SuitsixX> i reinstall xp pro like every month
[07:53] <__daniel> i just upgraded packages
[07:54] <SuitsixX> pain in my ass
[07:54] <xskoulax> __daniel: i tried debian once couldn't get it to install after 3 trys at it so thats when i found slack
[07:54] <__daniel> xskoulax, maybe bad isos?
[07:54] <SuitsixX> so 4.10 is the newest version?
[07:54] <meff> "Each driver needs to be available for kernel 2.6, since we will only support a bare-bones 2.4 as a fallback for conservative server-oriented users (as discussed on the mailing list already)." .. so is there a 2.4 pkg or not? :)
[07:54] <__daniel> SuitsixX, it's not released yet, will be today(?)
[07:55] <xskoulax> no isos were good, just didn't like the combination of my hardware and me
[07:55] <__daniel> xskoulax, oh, i see :-)
[07:55] <SuitsixX> its 4.10 on the ubuntu site
[07:55] <bob2> meff: as I said, yes.
[07:55] <bob2> meff: but they're not supported
[07:55] <SuitsixX> warty warthog realease
[07:55] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: thats a pre-release
[07:55] <SuitsixX> ahh
[07:55] <xskoulax> the real deal is releasing today
[07:56] <__daniel> meff: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 | wc -l    ->  18  :-)
[07:56] <glar00k> today? cool ... so hoary should be developed soon :)
[07:56] <__daniel> glar00k, :-)))
[07:56] <meff> today? bah.. then i guess i'm intentionally coastering this rc cd i just burned later lol
[07:56] <xskoulax> but if you dl that one, it should be a simple case of apt-get dist upgrade *i think* to get it to automagically upgrade you
[07:57] <bob2> meff: it will not change much in the next few hours
[07:57] <xskoulax> its that nice apt-get update that lets people like __daniel not reinstall in 4 years
[07:57] <__daniel> xskoulax, better use synaptic, there you have more influence than on dist-upgrade :-)
[07:58] <SuitsixX> so should i wait a day or 2 to dl the iso?
[07:58] <doogie> reinstall?  I've never heard that word.  what does it mean?
[07:58] <meff> bob2: i'm assuming it wont matter much cause right after i install im gonna apt-get upgrade the system :)
[07:58] <bob2> SuitsixX: it's really not going to change much in the next 24 hours
[07:58] <SuitsixX> cause i dont have my a63 its on a truck still
[07:58] <bob2> meff: yeah, exactly
[07:58] <SuitsixX> 64*
[07:58] <bob2> SuitsixX: and you can trivially upgrade what does change'
[07:58] <SuitsixX> ok
[07:59] <xskoulax> __daniel: i'd use synaptic anyways, i'm a noob remember
[07:59] <SuitsixX> so you just dl small update files
[07:59] <xskoulax> i've used several flavors, but not at all advanced
[07:59] <SuitsixX> or medium
[07:59] <__daniel> xskoulax, cool :-)
[07:59] <SuitsixX> how big are updates usually?
[07:59] <SuitsixX> yeah im a total noob to linux
[07:59] <bob2> SuitsixX: it depends...apt just downloads new packages as they appear (When you ask it to)
[08:00] <__daniel> SuitsixX, depends: if there's an openoffice-update it alone gives 60 or 70 mb
[08:00] <SuitsixX> so no automatic shat
[08:00] <SuitsixX> good
[08:00] <bob2> SuitsixX: it's been a couple of hundred megs a week at the moment, but after the release, I'd be surprised if it was 100MB/year
[08:00] <SuitsixX> i want it to dl when i say so
[08:00] <xskoulax> i think you could make it automatic if you wanted
[08:00] <SuitsixX> i dont
[08:00] <doogie> apt-get dist-upgrade -dy in a cron
[08:00] <__daniel> bob2, it will be 100mb/year
[08:00] <__daniel> bob2, more than that
[08:00] <doogie> that just does the download
[08:01] <bob2> __daniel: for security fixes?
[08:01] <__daniel> doogie, what is it good for?
[08:01] <SuitsixX> alright and then you run the update manually
[08:01] <doogie> so you don't have to wait for the download to finish.
[08:01] <__daniel> bob2, ok, security fixes... hmmm well the kernel-images might give more, too :-)
[08:01] <bob2> __daniel: it downloads them, then you can run it without -d and have them start installing instantly
[08:01] <bob2> __daniel: hah, good point
[08:02] <xskoulax> well look at that i almost got the cli version of the dist-upgrade right, just omitted that lil dash theres hope for me yet :D
[08:02] <__daniel> doogie, my inet connection is fast enough and I'm multitasking-enabled too :-)
[08:02] <SuitsixX> my isp sucks my line is capable of 8 megs but they have me capped at 2
[08:03] <SuitsixX> and im even paying for 3
[08:03] <SuitsixX> i need to bitch
[08:03] <xskoulax> yea you do
[08:03] <doogie> the dsl connection at the warehouse where we are putting on a halloween party gets 1mB(megabyte)/s
[08:03] <meff> bob2: after 4.10 is released, is there going to be any repository similar to testing on debian that tracks newer packages for those of us on desktops that want the newest stuff?
[08:03] <doogie> not bit, but byte
[08:04] <bob2> meff: yes.
[08:04] <bob2> meff: the next release (hoary) will open up as a sid-style branch
[08:04] <SuitsixX> nice doggie
[08:04] <meff> bob2: sweet.
[08:04] <SuitsixX> well thats like 8 mbit
[08:04] <Dethread> ah, I see apt-get finds a new ubuntu-artwork. anyone know details about this? still naked people?
[08:05] <SuitsixX> my line could do that if my isp wasnt jewish
[08:05] <bob2> SuitsixX: I doubt your ISP has a religion at all, and that, if it did, that it would affect your download speeds.
[08:06] <__daniel> suitsixx, sounds like religious superstition to me 
[08:06] <__daniel> Dethread, no, plain default theme
[08:06] <Dethread> well, better than that other one, thx :)
[08:07] <__daniel> Dethread, i miss those guys on the wallpaper already
[08:07] <Dethread> I wasn't using the wallpaper....but the gdm splashscreen was quite annoying
[08:08] <xskoulax> __daniel: its still there in the desktop background options isn't it
[08:08] <__daniel> i miss the guys on the splashscreen too
[08:08] <__daniel> xskoulax, hm, can't find it
[08:08] <SuitsixX> i wish theyd uncap my modem
[08:09] <SuitsixX> when i had cable i could have uncapped it myself but it resets every 24 hours, my friends bro worked for the cable company
[08:09] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: why did you switch?
[08:09] <SuitsixX> but my ping was shitty on cable here must be at a bad location
[08:10] <meff> does ubuntu use pppoeconf like debian?
[08:10] <__daniel> xskoulax, you guys get something wrong: this wasnt about soft or core, this was about "human-ness" - just reread marks mail
[08:10] <SuitsixX> ping issues
[08:10] <Dethread> I don't want human-ness on my splash screen
[08:10] <SuitsixX> my dsl dropped my ping 30
[08:10] <SuitsixX> on average
[08:10] <xskoulax> __daniel: i was refering to the comments from certain quaters ;)
[08:10] <SuitsixX> and i flux like 2 on the q3 servers i play on
[08:10] <__daniel> meff, think so, my router still runs debian
[08:10] <__daniel> xskoulax, i see
[08:11] <SuitsixX> i think ill do a ubuntu win 2000 pro dual boot for gaming
[08:11] <SuitsixX> ubuntu will support ntfs right?
[08:11] <SuitsixX> or just fat32
[08:11] <__daniel> SuitsixX, just reading
[08:11] <__daniel> SuitsixX, fat32 does fine
[08:12] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: it can read ntfs drives
[08:12] <xskoulax> dunno about write
[08:12] <SuitsixX> well i have no prob with fat32
[08:12] <__daniel> xskoulax, ntfs write is still DANGEROUS
[08:12] <Dethread> can't write I think
[08:12] <__daniel> xskoulax, it says so in the kernel menuconfig :-)
[08:12] <xskoulax> wasn't sure if that had be figured yet
[08:12] <SuitsixX> its so cool that linux is open source
[08:13] <bob2> you can use captive-ntfs, but you're on your own there.
[08:13] <SuitsixX> ms is a horrible monopoly
[08:13] <SuitsixX> with inferion products
[08:13] <SuitsixX> im like a root for the underdog guy but im a gamer so ive stuck with indows
[08:13] <xskoulax> well once i'm more at home in linux i'll be reducing the ntfs partition till its only good for games
[08:14] <LeeColleton> Is there a way to install ubuntu on a system that doesn't have a monitor?
[08:14] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: quake and ut will run on liunx
[08:14] <SuitsixX> i wish 3dfx wa still around to show ati and nvidia whats up
[08:14] <calc> SuitsixX: i switched to xbox instead ;)
[08:14] <xskoulax> calc: ahhhh not another ms product
[08:14] <xskoulax> heh
[08:15] <LeeColleton> linux will run on xbox
[08:15] <calc> heh 3dfx was stuck in 16bit which killed them
[08:15] <xskoulax> good point
[08:15] <calc> everyone else was at 32bit already
[08:15] <SuitsixX> yeah xbox is a p3 700
[08:15] <SuitsixX> with a gf3
[08:15] <SuitsixX> basicly
[08:15] <SuitsixX> mdofied slightly i suppose
[08:16] <SuitsixX> yeah but when nvidia bought out 3dfx's stuff they came out with the gf3
[08:17] <SuitsixX> which was based on what 3dfx was working on
[08:17] <Despair> SuitsixX: trimmed down gf4, really. less fillrate, but strong GPU programmability.
[08:17] <SuitsixX> gf4 wasnt much of a step up from gf3
[08:17] <Despair> SuitsixX: not really. 3dfx had bought gigapixel, and Nvidia wanted that. 3dfx's own stuff had dead-ended.
[08:17] <xskoulax> brb i'm going to switch computers so i can blow this xp install on my fxa53 away
[08:17] <SuitsixX> oh
[08:17] <SuitsixX> my mistake
[08:18] <SuitsixX> but still vodoo 5 spanked gf2
[08:18] <SuitsixX> just too damn expensive
[08:19] <Despair> depended heavily on the use. v5 had fillrate, gf2 had hardware transform and lighting. gf2 won for newer games, and freed up cpu for other uses.
[08:19] <Despair> and this is awfully offtopic, heh
[08:19] <SuitsixX> yeah
[08:20] <SuitsixX> so anyway ubuntu is a great distro so ive come to find out
[08:20] <xskoulax> a ubuntu-chat channel might be nice
[08:20] <SuitsixX> try #ubuntu
[08:20] <SuitsixX> ive heard thats where ppl chat about it
[08:21] <defendguin> lol
[08:21] <SuitsixX> i tend to go off topic
[08:21] <xskoulax> well i think this is supposed to be for support, but you do seem to have a vaild point
[08:21] <xskoulax> not your fault, there's just no chat channel
[08:22] <SuitsixX> im more knowledgable on the building side of comps as well as graphic desing
[08:22] <SuitsixX> not as much technical stuff
[08:22] <SuitsixX> design
[08:22] <Android16> hello
[08:22] <SuitsixX> hey
[08:23] <xskoulax> hi Android16 
[08:23] <Android16> does Ubuntu not come with nmap ?
[08:23] <__daniel> hai Android16
[08:23] <SuitsixX> aww man wheres savage and his bot
[08:23] <__daniel> Android16, yes
[08:23] <SuitsixX> so annoying
[08:23] <bob2> Android16: it's indeed in ubuntu
[08:23] <Android16> any alternative ?
[08:23] <__daniel> Android16, yes it comes with nmap
[08:23] <SuitsixX> on etg #oh
[08:23] <__daniel> Android16, read your question wrong
[08:24] <Android16> k
[08:24] <Android16> dont find it in the packages
[08:24] <LeeColleton> So is there a way to do a headless or automatic install of ubuntu?
[08:24] <bob2> Android16: it is there.
[08:24] <bob2> LeeColleton: FAI.
[08:24] <bob2> LeeColleton: a better solution is planned for hoary.
[08:25] <__daniel> Android16, apt-get update; apt-cache search nmap
[08:25] <bob2> it's in the "nmap" package.
[08:25] <SuitsixX> whats up with the power pc iso?
[08:25] <mdz> SuitsixX: it's a string of bits which, when written to a CD, can be used to boot the Ubuntu installer on a powerpc system
[08:26] <defendguin> lol
[08:26] <SuitsixX> oh thanks
[08:26] <SuitsixX> 280k sec on uk server not ba
[08:26] <SuitsixX> d
[08:26] <Android16> thats weird , nothing found
[08:27] <bob2> Android16: it's in the nmap package.  you have to install it.
[08:27] <Android16> would it be on the cd then
[08:27] <SuitsixX> i just need the iso right what about the other files?
[08:27] <bob2> quite possibly.
[08:27] <__daniel> SuitsixX, you had a powerpc?
[08:27] <bob2> SuitsixX: if you have a ppc machine, all you need is the .iso.
[08:28] <SuitsixX> no im getting amd64
[08:28] <SuitsixX> cause its gonna be on my a64
[08:28] <ubergoober> Anyone try that on a G5?
[08:28] <__daniel> ah... right
[08:28] <SuitsixX> so do i need the template, list jigdo?
[08:29] <__daniel> just get the .iso and you're alright
[08:29] <SuitsixX> cool ty
[08:29] <SuitsixX> 10% half hour to go
[08:29] <mdz> ubergoober: yes
[08:29] <LeeColleton> does the boot disk have a console on any serial ports?
[08:29] <SuitsixX> and like 2 days to wait for my parts
[08:29] <LeeColleton> s/boot/installation
[08:33] <SuitsixX> i wonder if ill have any probs with drivers
[08:33] <SuitsixX> anyone run an a64 with ubuntu?
[08:33] <SuitsixX> as far as onboard nic
[08:33] <SuitsixX> sound etc
[08:34] <calc> SuitsixX: yes i have an amd64 laptop running on ubuntu
[08:34] <SuitsixX> cool
[08:35] <SuitsixX> and ati has linux drivers so im set
[08:35] <calc> the only thing that doesn't work is of course the pos broadcom wifi
[08:35] <calc> SuitsixX: not 3d accel for amd64
[08:35] <SuitsixX> what?
[08:36] <meff> ati doesn't know how to write drivers imo :P
[08:36] <SuitsixX> yeah i noticed
[08:36] <xskoulax> well i guess that screws up the gaming somewhat
[08:36] <calc> SuitsixX: as far as I know they have yet to release any 64bit drivers for linux
[08:36] <bob2> depends on the chipset.
[08:36] <SuitsixX> so my cards gonna be crippled?
[08:36] <bob2> if it has free drivers, you're fine.
[08:36] <bob2> SuitsixX: no
[08:36] <calc> SuitsixX: it will be ok as long as it is 9200 or below
[08:36] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: for linux nvidia is the better choice
[08:36] <Despair> DRI's working on R300+ support, but it's very experimental, since they are working without any docs.
[08:36] <bob2> xskoulax: only on intel.
[08:36] <SuitsixX> i already have a 9800
[08:37] <calc> bob2: well nvidia even has amd64 drivers as well
[08:37] <SuitsixX> yeah i noticed
[08:37] <bob2> calc: not ppc.
[08:37] <SuitsixX> for chipset drivers i checked
[08:37] <calc> bob2: ah ok
[08:37] <calc> yea both ati and nvidia suck, ati used to not suck so much, but is morphing into nvidia
[08:38] <xskoulax> calc: i guess that broadcom wifi is an airport extreme if your running ppc
[08:38] <calc> xskoulax: yes the same chipset
[08:38] <SuitsixX> nvidea even has drivers for beta win64
[08:38] <calc> aiui all the broadcom wifi use the same driver
[08:38] <bob2> yeah
[08:38] <calc> SuitsixX: so does ati
[08:38] <bob2> which broadcom has linux drivers for
[08:39] <bob2> but will not release
[08:39] <SuitsixX> gayed
[08:39] <calc> broadcom has released a binary only mips linux driver
[08:39] <xskoulax> calc: the people at broadcom should be taken out and flogged
[08:39] <calc> well indirectly
[08:39] <bob2> heh, to linksys at least
[08:39] <calc> but mips is useful for about nothing (except linksys routers)
[08:39] <SuitsixX> ati doesnt have 64 bit linux display drivers
[08:39] <calc> bob2: yes linksys has released them on their site
[08:39] <bob2> heh, my mips doesn't even have a pci slot
[08:39] <homeas> hi.  is there an easy way to get java on my ubuntu, or is that "difficult" ?
[08:39] <bob2> calc: ah, right
[08:40] <bob2> homeas: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <homeas> to be fair, I don't consider java "humanity unto others" so I won't be overly disappointed
[08:40] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: on the 3d driver issue, if your gaming on windows it shouldn't really be an issue
[08:41] <xskoulax> still would be nice to get it going
[08:41] <SuitsixX> yeah
[08:41] <SuitsixX> cause i could still play most games in wine
[08:41] <SuitsixX> and whatever wont work i just reboot to my win partition
[08:42] <SuitsixX> 46%
[08:42] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: there is always that barton you have
[08:42] <SuitsixX> yeah but then id have a a64 with no vid card
[08:43] <SuitsixX> or ram hdd's etc
[08:43] <xskoulax> oh your reusing the gpu
[08:43] <SuitsixX> i sold my 5600
[08:43] <SuitsixX> to my friend who was using a gf2
[08:43] <xskoulax> that sinks that idea
[08:43] <SuitsixX> yep
[08:43] <SuitsixX> damn ati
[08:43] <xskoulax> ahh SuitsixX is the benevolent upgrader
[08:44] <SuitsixX> ill just have to save up for a 6800gt
[08:44] <SuitsixX> that should be oh like 6 months
[08:44] <bob2> erm
[08:44] <bob2> you could get an ati9200 for like $20
[08:44] <bob2> or an old nvidia.
[08:45] <xskoulax> bob2: that wouldn't help him too much on his windows gaming
[08:45] <SuitsixX> yeah but why would i want to use my a64 with a downgraded gpu?
[08:45] <Despair> or wait a month and get a 6600GT or 6200.
[08:45] <bob2> under linux, it doesn't matter jack
[08:45] <SuitsixX> 6600gt = pcix
[08:45] <bob2> your GPU sits around doing nothing unless you're playing games
[08:45] <Despair> note that a GF4 Ti4200 thrashes a Radeon 9800 Pro in linux.
[08:45] <SuitsixX> drivers probably
[08:46] <Despair> bob2: or doing work in GL.
[08:46] <daniels> it's all highly subjective.
[08:46] <bob2> Despair: well, yeah
[08:46] <SuitsixX> i like nvidia better but i got my 9800 for so cheap
[08:46] <Despair> SuitsixX: 6600GT = AGP too, soon.
[08:46] <SuitsixX> cool
[08:46] <SuitsixX> i dont know why they do that
[08:47] <Despair> so they don't prevent old boards from clearing the channels.
[08:47] <SuitsixX> mid range pcix and high end agp
[08:47] <xskoulax> i'm half tempted to steal the geforce3 ti200 i gave my brother
[08:47] <SuitsixX> i had a ti500
[08:47] <SuitsixX> burnt up
[08:47] <SuitsixX> fan died while my friend was using it in his rig
[08:48] <Despair> calc: if you don't need strong 3d performance, that's a really, really good idea.
[08:48] <calc> Despair: 9600 isn't too bad and is fanless
[08:48] <SuitsixX> i agree its less to break
[08:48] <xskoulax> less to break and less noise
[08:48] <daniels> calc: some 9600s have fans.
[08:48] <meff> hmm im testing ubuntu in vmware so i know what to expect... it never asked me what pw to give to root.. huh?
[08:49] <SuitsixX> the pros xts and a few strait up 9600's
[08:49] <calc> daniels: regular 9600's or the pro/xt's ?
[08:49] <homeas> bob2, thanks, will check !
[08:49] <calc> i haven't noticed any regular 9600 with fans, but there may be some out there
[08:49] <SuitsixX> theres a couple
[08:49] <calc> the best nvidia fanless is the 5200 (ugh)
[08:49] <TheMuso> meff: That is because the user account you create during the install access all admin commands with sudo
[08:50] <Despair> calc: manufacturers could make fanless 6200 & 6600 from what I've heard.
[08:50] <daniels> calc: some regular 9600s have fans.
[08:50] <Despair> and there's always water cooling. (drip drip...)
[08:51] <TheMuso> ondrej: Yes I believe so.
[08:51] <SuitsixX> so shitty the one thing holding be back from using ubuntu is ati not writing drivers for linux a64
[08:51] <SuitsixX> or using linux in general
[08:51] <SuitsixX> well 
[08:51] <Treenaks> Despair: what about putting the computer in the other room, and only the monitor/kb/mouse on your desk?
[08:51] <Despair> SuitsixX: DRI is working on it. And ATI's actually hired at least 1 new linux coder in the last few months. So things may change. Eventually.
[08:51] <SuitsixX> ill still hook up a dual boot
[08:52] <xskoulax> SuitsixX: the card should work just not accelerated yet, but there is windows for games.
[08:52] <calc> ati should just fucking release their docs under nda to dri team
[08:52] <SuitsixX> yeah thats what ill do
[08:52] <Despair> calc: part of the problem is the docs they have released are pretty useless.
[08:53] <xskoulax> calc: that would require some people to pull their heads out of their collective asses
[08:53] <Despair> I don't see how graphics companies can function, if they can't document what they're designing...
[08:53] <calc> Despair: from what i had read they didn't release anything for r300+
[08:53] <Despair> calc: the stuff they released for r200 is pretty marginal and very incomplete.
[08:53] <daniels> Despair: they have documented what they're designing.
[08:54] <daniels> Despair: incorrect.  there are complete copies of r2xx register references and programmers' references.
[08:54] <Despair> daniels: and those have major inaccuracies.
[08:54] <daniels> Despair: there have been many revisions since.
[08:55] <SuitsixX> copanies need to write mor stuff compatible with linux
[08:55] <SuitsixX> i think thats what holds most ppl back
[08:55] <SmokingFire> Yeah and the Amiga!
[08:55] <daniels> Witness, for example, the i915 stuff, where the first real sign of it was a large tarball.
[08:55] <Despair> daniels: last I heard, DRI wasn't given large chunks relating to HyperZ and a couple other major hardware features.
[08:55] <SuitsixX> hell yeah
[08:56] <SuitsixX> fuck it ill just buy a mac
[08:56] <SuitsixX> haha
[08:56] <xskoulax> amiga that brings back some memories
[08:56] <SuitsixX> jk
[08:56] <xskoulax> found my zool shirt yesterday
[08:56] <calc> SuitsixX: that won't run linux well either since there are no ppc drivers for wifi or video
[08:56] <bob2> apple hardware is pretty cool
[08:56] <bob2> calc: depends, my 9200 works great
[08:56] <bob2> but wifi is a big missing feature
[08:56] <calc> bob2: oh was referring to their higher end stuff
[08:56] <SuitsixX> yeah but the ppl who typically use macs......
[08:56] <bob2> ah.
[08:57] <bob2> hey, *I* use a mac
[08:57] <SuitsixX> well i said typically
[08:57] <SuitsixX> i have a friend who uses a mac
[08:57] <bob2> calc: ibook g4.
[08:57] <xskoulax> bob2:  the typical user of macs is changing i would say
[08:57] <Despair> daniels: it is neat to see some of the smaller players submitting code, at least. :)
[08:57] <bob2> half the mac users I know use linux on them.
[08:58] <SuitsixX> yeah new school mac users tend to be teen girls and thier rich mommies and daddies
[08:58] <xskoulax> so it depends on your reference point, macos7 or mac OSX
[08:58] <bob2> calc: earlier this year, iirc
[08:58] <xskoulax> mmmm teen girls
[08:58] <calc> bob2: ah
[08:58] <SuitsixX> the mac users i encounter at work are like does this work with a mac?
[08:58] <calc> bob2: yea i was looking at the stats of a non-tech site i help admin and linux was about 50% higher hit rate
[08:58] <SuitsixX> and its a fucking router
[08:58] <xskoulax> bob2: u use osx or linux on your mac?
[08:59] <bob2> xskoulax: ubunutu.
[08:59] <xskoulax> just chekcing
[08:59] <calc> of course on my personal site linux beats win/mac by a large margin, but its not exactly normal
[08:59] <SuitsixX> whats your mac?
[08:59] <SuitsixX> g4 g5?
[08:59] <xskoulax> it would make sence you would know a high % of linux on mac users then
[08:59] <bob2> SuitsixX: ibook g4.
[08:59] <SuitsixX> nice
[08:59] <SuitsixX> thats what my friend has
[09:00] <SuitsixX> he uses it for graphic design
[09:00] <SuitsixX> and cakewalk
[09:00] <xskoulax> if i can get a job before retirement i'm thinking about an ibook to replace my vaio fxa53
[09:00] <SuitsixX> if i ever bought a mac it would be a power book
[09:01] <bob2> xskoulax: downsides of an ibook, are one mouse button, no suspend-to-ram and no working internal wireless
[09:01] <SuitsixX> or ibook rahter
[09:01] <xskoulax> my dad has a powerbook, very nice machine only complaint is the palmrest gets hot
[09:02] <xskoulax> metal case keeps the internals nice and cool by being a huge heatsink, but makes for sweaty palms when typing a bunch
[09:02] <SuitsixX> no i meant power book
[09:02] <SuitsixX> not i book
[09:02] <bob2> ah
[09:02] <SuitsixX> yeah well i type with like 4 fingers
[09:02] <SuitsixX> and dont rest my hands
[09:02] <SuitsixX> so not a prob
[09:02] <SmokingFire> I type with all eleven
[09:03] <xskoulax> i think my dads prob is that he added a 1gb stick of mem, that prolly adds quite a bit to the heat
[09:04] <SuitsixX> um power mac g5 dual 2.5 with 512 ram and 128mb 9800 for 3000 dollars
[09:04] <xskoulax> what about display
[09:05] <SuitsixX> 1.25 ghz fsb
[09:05] <SuitsixX> not bad
[09:06] <xskoulax> apple has damn fine products, if only they wern't quite as pricy
[09:07] <SuitsixX> yeah and the os is TOO user friendly
[09:07] <SuitsixX> but odd i dont know it
[09:07] <SuitsixX> hmmm
[09:08] <jayeola> ma'c products look so good
[09:08] <jayeola> ipod, book, even the d/tops
[09:08] <SuitsixX> i agree on that i want a power mac case for my pc
[09:08] <jayeola> ?
[09:08] <bob2> why don't you just get a powermac?
[09:08] <xskoulax> from what i've used of osx its nice, resource hungry compaired to a linux install on the same hardware
[09:08] <SuitsixX> i just want the case
[09:09] <SuitsixX> i bet a mac with ubuntu runs nice
[09:09] <calc> they just released a new low end powermac that isn't too expensive
[09:09] <bob2> SuitsixX: it does indeed.
[09:09] <xskoulax> i'm looking at the new imac
[09:09] <bob2> even the imacs are g5 now
[09:09] <xskoulax> mmmmm sexy computer goodness
[09:09] <SuitsixX> i was just checking it out
[09:10] <Treenaks> bob2: Now all we need is expos for Gnome :)
[09:10] <SuitsixX> dually 2.5 w/ 1.25 fsb
[09:10] <SuitsixX> now thats a fsb
[09:10] <calc> wow the new ibooks have pretty good specs now
[09:10] <SuitsixX> pfff 800
[09:10] <calc> still a bit on the slow side though
[09:10] <xskoulax> Treenaks: isn't there a project looking at that
[09:10] <xskoulax> or sumpthing like it
[09:10] <calc> SuitsixX: amd64 has 2.0 fsb ;)
[09:10] <bob2> Treenaks: expocity patches metacity to include it
[09:10] <SuitsixX> maximum pc did a pc power mac show down
[09:11] <Treenaks> bob2: Let's first patch metacity to work with sloppy focus..
[09:11] <SuitsixX> dually optron vs g5 dually 2.5's
[09:11] <SuitsixX> i think the optos were 1.8s
[09:11] <bob2> Treenaks: hm, works for me
[09:11] <SuitsixX> mac beat pc in content creation but pc owned in everything else
[09:12] <Treenaks> bob2: there's no way to say "don't focus new windows", for starters
[09:12] <xskoulax> one thing those reviews bug me on is they never seem to cover time lost to the os
[09:12] <SuitsixX> yeah
[09:12] <xskoulax> like if windows bluescreens and stuff
[09:12] <Treenaks> bob2: I've had to change passwords twice already because someone IMed me while typing my password..
[09:12] <SuitsixX> i bet if the mac has linux on it it probably would have pulled ahead in other apps
[09:12] <bob2> Treenaks: ah
[09:12] <calc> SuitsixX: why didn't they use optos 2.4's a bit more of a fair comparison?
[09:12] <xskoulax> Treenaks: haha
[09:13] <SuitsixX> cause it was a while back
[09:13] <Treenaks> xskoulax: it's not /that/ funny really
[09:13] <calc> SuitsixX: opterons have been above 1.8 for a _long_ time
[09:14] <calc> 1.8 is equal to an athlon64 3000+
[09:14] <SuitsixX> maybe the mac was slower i dont remember
[09:14] <SuitsixX> i was like 6 months ago i think
[09:14] <SuitsixX> maybe dual 2's
[09:14] <SuitsixX> cant remember and dont have the issue anymore
[09:15] <SuitsixX> oh well
[09:15] <calc> ok
[09:15] <SuitsixX> its common knowledge that macs beat pcs in graphics apps anyway
[09:15] <xskoulax> Treenaks: it's a problem no doubt, but you said it such that it seemed nothing bad actually came of it
[09:15] <bob2> haha common knowledge.
[09:15] <Treenaks> xskoulax: I'm pretty quick with changing passwords ;)
[09:15] <SuitsixX> well 
[09:15] <xskoulax> Treenaks: good pratice so long as you remember them
[09:15] <SuitsixX> common to ppl who know
[09:15] <calc> SuitsixX: i haven't seen any non-biased benchmarks asserting that
[09:15] <__daniel> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, here's something completely wrong... there's nothing being written into /var/log/syslog anymore
[09:16] <calc> and no the ones on apple.com are not unbiased ;)
[09:16] <Treenaks> __daniel: maybe syslog died?
[09:16] <SuitsixX> most professional designer i know use macs for web/photoshop stuff
[09:16] <Elw0od> hi all
[09:16] <SuitsixX> hello
[09:16] <xskoulax> i which they had boxen with osx when i went to school, i would have not wasted so much time dissing macs
[09:16] <kaptainkaffeine> hello friends
[09:17] <calc> SuitsixX: there are other non-speed related reasons for that though
[09:17] <__daniel> Treenaks, that's strange - syslogd never died before
[09:17] <Elw0od> I've been able
[09:17] <Elw0od> to log in as root and execute "startx" without a problem. When I try to
[09:17] <Elw0od> log in as a normal user, I get "mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission
[09:17] <Elw0od> denied" in ~/.xsession-errors. I can't find any information on mkdtemp,
[09:17] <Elw0od> or on which directory or socket the permission needs to be changed, and
[09:17] <Elw0od> how. Can anyone help me with this problem?
[09:17] <Treenaks> __daniel: maybe the disk is full?
[09:17] <SuitsixX> i dont diss macs just the majority of mac users who get them cause theyre pretty and use them for aol only
[09:17] <bob2> Elw0od: please dont' paste in here
[09:17] <xskoulax> ppc seems to do way better on battery life though
[09:17] <Elw0od> sorry
[09:17] <xskoulax> so for a lappy apple gets my money next
[09:17] <calc> but the price issue does fall away at the high end, getting an equivalent speed dual processor x86 or amd64 will cost nearly the same
[09:17] <bob2> SuitsixX: you seem to make a lot of generalisations.
[09:17] <xskoulax> calc: true
[09:18] <calc> since opteron and xeon are damn expensive
[09:18] <SuitsixX> hey im just going off experience
[09:18] <__daniel> Treenaks, no 
[09:18] <Treenaks> most Mac users know more about their computers than PC users do about their PCs, is my experience (and I used to work at an ISP..)
[09:18] <bob2> Elw0od: can you paste the output of "mount" to #flood?
[09:18] <xskoulax> calc: same is true with the laptops somewhat, so long as you don't buy ram from apple
[09:18] <SuitsixX> most mac users ive met are either complete idiots or know thier shit
[09:18] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: most macs are way more standardized than PCs.
[09:18] <calc> xskoulax: well the ibooks are still quite a bit slower than pc laptops
[09:19] <SuitsixX> majority are idiots 
[09:19] <Elw0od> bob2, it isn't a mount...is my gdm login results...
[09:19] <calc> xskoulax: i got a athlon64 3000+ a year ago that is still faster than current ibook released today but cost less (even 10 months ago)
[09:19] <xskoulax> calc: i'm kool with that for the increase in battery life
[09:19] <kaptainkaffeine> does anyone know why gnome isn't starting on a new install? I fixed X, but can't get the wm to run.
[09:19] <bob2> hm, I only get 3.3 hours on my ibook
[09:19] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: still... tell a Mac person to 
[09:19] <calc> i get about 2-2.5hr on my amd4 laptop
[09:19] <xskoulax> my dads powerbook even with 1gb extra ram thrown in will beat the pants of my 1300+ amd lappy
[09:19] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: "Open the network configuration" and he/she'll know what to do.
[09:20] <calc> xskoulax: it probably should a 1300+ is quite slow (and old)
[09:20] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: ask a PC/Windows person and they go "Huh? Don't talk techtalk to me!"
[09:20] <xskoulax> i was speaking battery
[09:20] <xskoulax> sorry i didn't make that clear
[09:21] <SuitsixX> is there a #harware?
[09:21] <__daniel> SuitsixX, try  it :-)
[09:21] <Treenaks> isn't today Official Gold Master Day ?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: ok, if you say so. :)
[09:21] <SuitsixX> hell yes
[09:22] <SuitsixX> is freenode mostly tech chans?
[09:22] <Treenaks> SuitsixX: afaik, yes
[09:23] <SuitsixX> holy shit 1958 channels oh my
[09:23] <__daniel> well, seems to be a majority of tech chans, yes :-)
[09:23] <SuitsixX> dude im in catowners where you at
[09:24] <__daniel> hehe :-)
[09:24] <__daniel> SuitsixX, i'm in #dogowners :-)
[09:24] <SuitsixX> no your not
[09:24] <SuitsixX> im there
[09:26] <SuitsixX> i like my etg wfa channels cause i always get ops
[09:26] <SuitsixX> and when i leave a chan i can kick myself
[09:26] <bob2> "etg"? "wfa"?
[09:26] <SuitsixX> etg=enter the game
[09:26] <SuitsixX> wfa=weapons factory arena
[09:27] <SuitsixX> wfa is a mod (dead mod) for q3
[09:27] <SuitsixX> i was in several clans
[09:28] <__daniel> being in gaming clans always seemed a bit "playing 'father, mother and child'" to me :-)
[09:29] <__daniel> but maybe i'm just jealous :-)
[09:29] <__daniel> no, i'm not :-)
[09:29] <__daniel> anyone tried jdub's bluetooth packages?
[09:32] <jdub> i have
[09:32] <jdub> they suck
[09:32] <jdub> that jdub guy is a n00b
[09:32] <__daniel> hehe :-)
[09:32] <__daniel> jdub, i used edd's packages in debian and they worked well
[09:32] <jdub> same packages ;)
[09:32] <__daniel> yes?
[09:32] <__daniel> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:32] <jdub> they'll go into hoary when it opens, too
[09:32] <whiprush> anyone try thom's NetworkManager packages yet?
[09:33] <jordi> that jdub dude needs to fix howl!!!1
[09:33] <calc> jdub: shaddup n00b1e
[09:33] <jdub> jordi: wassup with howl atm?
[09:33] <bob2> someone should fix all oskuro's packages, too
[09:33] <calc> so how is hoary coming along, should i upgrade to it now? ;)
[09:34] <jdub> it hasn't started yet
[09:34] <whiprush> so when hoary opens are the build machines just gonna start cranking out universe also?
[09:34] <calc> warty is released later today right?
[09:34] <jordi> jdub: won't build in sparc & arm iirc
[09:35] <jordi> bob2: my pkgs rock dude!
[09:35] <jordi> rthat's why I now NMU everyone else
[09:35] <bob2> hahaha
[09:35] <jordi> (don't look at my buglist, mkay :)
[09:35] <homeas> didn't you guys have a buildbot running somewhere ?
[09:35] <bob2> homeas: buildd's, yes.
[09:36] <Treenaks> buildbot.. that sounds like some kind of transformer..
[09:36] <homeas> ah, that's something else then ?
[09:36] <homeas> damn, I wanted to steal some ideas :)
[09:37] <__daniel> damn, i didn't look at the time.... *grmbl*
[09:38] <jdub> jordi: ooh, i can test it on sparc :)
[09:39] <jdub> whiprush: yeah, it'll take less than a week to build current debian sid ;)
[09:39] <whiprush> nice.
[09:39] <jdub> homeas: we have a buildbot running for other things
[09:39] <homeas> jdub, publically visible ?
[09:39] <jdub> not atm
[09:40] <Treenaks> ooh.. a s3kr1t buildd
[09:40] <whiprush> i'd love to see an inotify kernel + beagle in hoary. the latest stuff they're working on looks awesome.
[09:40] <bob2> Treenaks: they just keep rebuilding the CIA bot
[09:41] <Treenaks> bob2: no, it's the other way around.. the CIA bots build ubuntu
[09:42] <dyn> Q: where can i registrate for the website?
[09:42] <Treenaks> dyn: you mean the wiki?
[09:43] <xskoulax> or to get cds delivered maybe?
[09:43] <dyn> Treenaks: no, i mean http://ubuntulinux.org/
[09:43] <dyn> i see "You are not logged in" in the top right corner
[09:43] <dyn> i assume i could registrate then and log in somehow 
[09:43] <dyn> but a failed login doesn't mention where to registrate
[09:44] <xskoulax> dyn i understand english isn't your first language, its register ;)
[09:45] <dyn> xskoulax: umm, k.. thanks ;)
[09:45] <Meridian> dyn and the english :) lol
[09:45] <dyn> morning, Meridian :)
[09:45] <xskoulax> hey his english is way better than my hungarian
[09:45] <xskoulax> ;D
[09:45] <dyn> :P
[09:45] <Treenaks> xskoulax: so is mine 8)
[09:45] <dyn> i wouldn't suggest jumping into learning hungarian, EVER
[09:45] <Meridian> cso dyn :)
[09:46] <dyn> even japenese would be lighter on your brain ;)
[09:47] <xskoulax> i should take the time to learn russian actually since the people i hang out with here are from the ukraine and russia
[09:47] <dyn> russian aint too hard - we've been learning it for years in elementary school
[09:47] <Despair> jordi: hi! :)
[09:47] <xskoulax> in that case zdrasti, dyn
[09:48] <Meridian> dyn i found the best morning slogen for you : pipe dyn :)
[09:48] <dyn> Meridian: dont expect native speakers getting a even a light chance to understand .hu jokes ;)
[09:49] <Meridian> ehh....away
[09:58] <SuitsixX> off to bed thanks for the help
[10:03] <neuro_> mmm, ubuntu-artwork 0.2.14-1 ...
[10:04] <s7s> mirak_, Allright! I installed 'XMMS' to play my mp3?s and it works perfect. I also installed another program called 'VLC'. 'VLC', plays almost all of my video-files from window$ 'mpeg', 'quictime', 'real'(i think) and mp3?s as well. Just so you know :)  
[10:05] <s7s> mirak_, Got 'VLC' from synaptic.
[10:05] <neuro_> ze humans are gone from gdm-login
[10:05] <opi^work> morning
[10:05] <neuro_> thought that would happen
[10:05] <opi^work> s7s: get MPlayer/GXine ;)
[10:06] <s7s> opi^work, why?
[10:06] <opi^work> s7s: MPlayer is the God of Video Players in Linux world
[10:06] <Treenaks> opi^work: uh, no, it isn't.. it just plays a lot of formats
[10:06] <Treenaks> opi^work: the interface is evil
[10:07] <s7s> opi^work, where can i get it from?
[10:07] <opi^work> Treenaks: you can compile it with GUI (I have never use it, I like the interface;-)
[10:07] <Treenaks> opi^work: the gui is worse
[10:07] <septeracore> i like the interface of mplayer :)
[10:07] <opi^work> s7s: http://www.mplayerhq.hu
[10:07] <Treenaks> opi^work: and the cli version is too verbose
[10:07] <Treenaks> I want the verbosity of mpg123/ogg123 in mplayer
[10:08] <opi^work> get sourcecode, remove all those unusable printf()'s and recomiple :)
[10:08] <opi^work> Im almost sure (don't have MPlayer at work) that there is --quiet option
[10:09] <s7s> opi^work, ok :)
[10:15] <s7s> opi^work, Could you please give me a direct link to 'MPlayer'? Dunno what to get :)
[10:17] <__daniel> totem rocks :-)
[10:17] <s7s> __daniel, hmmm...
[10:17] <opi^work> s7s: if you're using Ubuntu/Debian, you could use .deb package
[10:17] <Treenaks> opi^work: there is a --quiet option, but I _do_ want the "counter" line
[10:18] <Ng> Treenaks: there's a -really-quiet too :)
[10:18] <Treenaks> Ng: yes, but that's _too_ quiet! :)
[10:18] <s7s> opi^work, What/where is .deb package
[10:18] <Ng> hehe
[10:19] <opi^work> s7s: deb package is binary package ready to install on Debian/Ubuntu
[10:19] <neuro_> s7s: install it from multiverse
[10:19] <opi^work> s7s: it's what make Debian/Ubuntu ultranice :)
[10:19] <__daniel> ahhhhh, i have my nude friends back again as wallpaper :-)
[10:20] <s7s> opi^work, multiverse?
[10:21] <s7s> I normally use Synaptic to install new packages, but it couldn?t find Mplayer ;(
[10:21] <__daniel> s7s, you have multiverse in the package sources?
[10:21] <ondrej> thom: sorry... I must be blind today :-)...
[10:21] <bob2> dyn: you can't yet, it will be announced soon
[10:22] <ondrej> I just recently bought Asus wireless router and want to buy some good cheap wifi pcmcia card for my g'friend linux machine running ubuntu 4.10.  any tips what to buy and what to avoid?
[10:22] <dyn> bob2: okay i just wondered what's the login link for then 
[10:22] <septeracore> s7s: go preferences->repositories and add multiverse to the section(s) entry of deb and deb-src
[10:22] <bob2> dyn: to login :-)
[10:22] <septeracore> then you should be able to find mplayer with synaptic
[10:22] <SmokingFire> So when will firefox be fixed to use its local theme or the window managers theme for buttons and gadgets.
[10:22] <dyn> bob2: grr ;)
[10:23] <s7s> septeracore, Thanks :)
[10:23] <s7s> __daniel, ?
[10:23] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: hoary ;)
[10:23] <Ng> doh
[10:23] <__daniel> septeracore, already told you
[10:23] <SmokingFire> Treenaks: they will fix that? Really?
[10:23] <s7s> pk
[10:24] <s7s> ok
[10:24] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: who knows :) but most questions of "when" are "hoary" atm
[10:24] <SmokingFire> ok like longhorn on windows
[10:24] <SmokingFire> Everything will be fine in the next version, now just move along.
[10:25] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: no, it's just that warty is in deep deep freeze
[10:25] <SmokingFire> Can we get some stats from the ubuntu people about how many users/downloads they thing they have?
[10:26] <bob2> it's so frozen it's releasing in the next 20 hours.
[10:26] <Ng> it's so frozen they made the isos already ;)
[10:26] <SmokingFire> Treenaks: I know but I just reckoned that small cosmetic changes in applications are not really done.
[10:26] <SmokingFire> Its so frozen it makes the north pole look warm.
[10:27] <bob2> firefox already uses the gtk theme for buttons.
[10:27] <bborkk> What's the general opinion of the Nautulis file manager and where is the option to open new folders in the same window?
[10:27] <SmokingFire> bob2: talking about html forms/buttons
[10:27] <__daniel> bborkk, use the middle button of the mouse :-)
[10:27] <bob2> SmokingFire: why bother?
[10:27] <SmokingFire> bborkk: edit-preferences browser mode
[10:28] <bob2> SmokingFire: CSS can change theme anyway
[10:28] <Ng> bborkk: mmm, the new nautilus is llllurvely ;)
[10:28] <bborkk> __daniel: Good to know, thanks.
[10:28] <Ng> that's what my opinion of it is, anyway ;)
[10:28] <__daniel> bborkk, de rien
[10:28] <SmokingFire> bob2: Just to make things more intergrated call it the finishing touch.
[10:28] <septeracore> i got no opinion of nautilus. hardly using it. i'm used to the shell :)
[10:29] <SmokingFire> septeracore: well its always nice to have options
[10:29] <bborkk> SmokingFire: I don't see that option there... only the option to open in browse mode.
[10:30] <SmokingFire> bborkk: let me see
[10:30] <SmokingFire> bborkk: edit --> preferences and then the tab behaviour.
[10:31] <s7s> septeracore, Hmmm...still can?t find it.
[10:31] <SmokingFire> bborkk: choose: always open in browser window. 
[10:31] <septeracore> s7s: did you refresh the list?
[10:31] <bborkk> SmokingFire: Yeah, that's what I saw, but is there an option to not use browser mode?  Not that I would want that, but just curious.
[10:32] <SmokingFire> bborkk: shortcut would be Computer --> Desktop Preferences --> Filemanagment
[10:32] <SmokingFire> bborkk: you want what you have now, just not opening in new windows?
[10:32] <SmokingFire> bborkk: If so, I wouldn't know
[10:33] <bborkk> SmokingFire: I prefer the browser mode, but I'm also wondering if the normal mode can be made to not open new windows.
[10:33] <s7s> septeracore, Allright! Thanks :)
[10:33] <SmokingFire> do what the other person told middle click, else I don't know, perhaps a gconf option
[10:33] <septeracore> np
[10:33] <bob2> it was gconf option
[10:34] <bborkk> Thanks.
[10:34] <bob2> in 2.6.1 or so it got a preference box
[10:34] <bborkk> punkass: Around?  How goes the pyfi?
[10:37] <s7s> When i try to connect to a radio-station in 'Rhythmbox', it freezes. What could be the problem?
[10:37] <bob2> s7s: it's a known bug
[10:38] <bob2> that only affects some people, sometimes.
[10:38] <teroz> hi there gutz
[10:38] <teroz> sp - guyz
[10:38] <s7s> bob2, can it bee fixed?
[10:38] <whiprush> bborkk: shift click or double middle click
[10:41] <teroz> hey has anybody experienced a problem working with ipchains
[10:41] <bob2> don't use ipchains
[10:41] <Despair> iptables!
[10:42] <teroz> okay as they both do the same thing sort of
[10:42] <bob2> except ipchains isn't supported by anyone
[10:42] <bob2> and hasn't been since like 1903.
[10:42] <bob2> use iptables.
[10:43] <teroz> okay i see - thanx bob
[10:43] <teroz> will give it a go
[10:43] <__daniel> 1903 *snigger*
[10:43] <SmokingFire> yep in 1903 the net was also much better, non of those hooligans that you got now.
[10:43] <teroz> you know :)
[10:43] <bob2> except we had to carry packets, uphill, both ways, in the snow
[10:44] <__daniel> *LOL*
[10:44] <xskoulax> hah
[10:44] <SmokingFire> I remember that we had radiotube computers.
[10:44] <__daniel> bob2, we had pigeons doing the job
[10:44] <Ng> this is wandering dangerously close to becoming a Python skit ;)
[10:45] <JanneM> I find most things in life are dangerously close these days
[10:45] <SmokingFire> You know, we actually had the pigeon ranking that google uses.
[10:45] <__daniel> JanneM, what do you mean?
[10:47] <JanneM> __daniel: nothing really. just that I find a lot of things in society, politics and so on to be almost parodies of themselves today.
[10:47] <spikeb> howdy folks
[10:47] <JanneM> __daniel: offtopic, really, so ignore
[10:47] <bob2> hey seb
[10:47] <__daniel> JanneM, it sounded interesting :-)
[10:48] <__daniel> more interesting than the hardware discussions before ;-)
[10:48] <Ng> where should I report a bug in a multiverse package?
[10:49] <JanneM> weather's picking up
[10:49] <xskoulax> __daniel: you have a problem with our hardware discussions? ;)
[10:49] <__daniel> xskoulax, after 10 minutes, yes i do :-)
[10:49] <JanneM> if you find bad societal observations to be more interestign than hardware, perhaps there's other channels that are more interesting? :)
[10:50] <__daniel> JanneM, #ubuntu is quite alright
[10:50] <Ng> xskoulax: an end. very very slowly ;)
[10:51] <__daniel> well guys, i'm off
[10:51] <xskoulax> cya __daniel 
[10:51] <danieldogwalk> bye everyone :-)
[10:51] <xskoulax> Ng: there is always one isn't there
[10:51] <Ng> xskoulax: yes :)
[10:51] <xskoulax> looks like it was me in this case though :(
[10:51] <Ng> I'll try harder then ;)
[10:53] <togs> I have a broken samba package, I can't remove it or do anything with it wih either synaptic or CLI
[10:54] <togs> have submitted bug report - what can I do now? I can't do an upgrade until the broken package is removed
[10:54] <bob2> what did you do to it?
[10:55] <togs> I just upgradged the distro using default upgrade in synaptic
[10:55] <Ng> hmm, I just tried to install ubuntu-calendar and it's conflicting with ubuntu-artwork over /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntu-calendar.png
[10:56] <Ng> nm
[10:56] <spikeb> heh
[10:56] <Ng> updated -artwork packages available :)
[10:56] <togs> upgrades have worked a couple times before though
[10:57] <togs> what's the next step, to remove a broken package or ignore it? I tried --purge, but that didn't work
[10:57] <bob2> you can't just remove it, you need to fix it
[10:58] <bob2> paste the error to #flood
[10:58] <tux> is the full release of warty out today ?
[10:58] <bob2> yes.
[10:58] <tux> w00t
[10:58] <tux> haven't the site updated yet
[10:58] <togs> oky, one sec
[10:58] <bob2> it's not out yet.
[10:58] <bob2> it will be out, sometime today.
[10:59] <tux> cool
[10:59] <togs> what command did you want me to paste output of?
[10:59] <agenteo> hi, I've used sudo updatedb in ubuntu but I've got the following message: http://www.pastebin.com/111868
[10:59] <bob2> togs: "sudo dpkg --remove samba".
[11:00] <bob2> agenteo: do you get that error when you run it again?
[11:00] <spikeb> that's just a warning - should only happen the first time you run updatedb
[11:01] <togs> pasted, bob2
[11:03] <agenteo> yes it was just a warning, thanks
[11:03] <Hmmmmm_> warty out yet?
[11:03] <Ng> soon
[11:04] <spikeb> very soon i'd imagine
[11:04] <spikeb> since it's coming along darn nicely
[11:04] <Hmmmmm_> Ng, isnt today the release day?
[11:04] <z4k4ri4> is it today?
[11:04] <Ng> Hmmmmm_: as far as I know, yes
[11:04] <Ng> "soon" as in "today sometime probably" :)
[11:04] <Hmmmmm_> been waiting for this quite a bit
[11:04] <Ng> I imagine the topic here will be updated when it's released
[11:04] <spikeb> hehehe
[11:04] <spikeb> cool
[11:05] <spikeb> Hmmmmm_,  it's well worth the wait.
[11:05] <Hmmmmm_> i sure hope so, spikeb
[11:05] <spikeb> i've been using the preview and rc for a while, i like it :)
[11:06] <Hmmmmm_> spikeb, what difference hav u felt from the previous release?
[11:09] <Meridian> where is in ubuntu the QTDIR ?
[11:10] <aPoX> Are you trying to compile the ATI drivers?
[11:10] <spikeb> Hmmmmm_, i was speaking of comparing to other distros, not earlier ubuntu releases :)
[11:10] <TMiegel> hi, does someone use Ubuntu on a Centrino-Dothan?
[11:10] <JanneM> TMiegel: not yet. WIll in a week (I hope)
[11:11] <TMiegel> because currently i use gentoo on it, and the 2.6.8-kernel doesnt recognize the cpu correct
[11:11] <Hmmmmm_> ic
[11:11] <JanneM> what does it think it is?
[11:11] <z4k4ri4> has anyone experience a long grub loading?
[11:11] <TMiegel> and warthy ships with 2.6.8x or?
[11:11] <JanneM> 2.6.8
[11:11] <Hmmmmm_> i hope warty is using x.org
[11:11] <JanneM> something
[11:11] <JanneM> nope
[11:12] <spikeb> arg
[11:12] <JanneM> XFree, with a bunch of backpoted patches
[11:12] <spikeb> no gaim.pc
[11:12] <JanneM> Hoary will have x.org, though
[11:13] <Hmmmmm_> Hmm and when's is hoary expected?
[11:13] <crimsun> in 6 months.
[11:13] <crimsun> X.Org prelim packages may be available in 3 months for testing.
[11:14] <Hmmmmm_> well then i guess we'll just hav to do with warty
[11:14] <spikeb> Hmmmmm_,  all the neat stuff in xorg isn't quite ready for real use anyway
[11:15] <crimsun> well, they're well on their way to becoming mature.
[11:15] <Hmmmmm_> spikeb, ic
[11:15] <Hmmmmm_> right now im eager to get warty on my system
[11:15] <Hmmmmm_> im sick and tired of fc2
[11:16] <Hmmmmm_> i just wish i can figure out how to back up my evolution mails
[11:16] <JanneM> just copy the directory?
[11:16] <Hmmmmm_> /home/sukrit/.evoltuion?
[11:16] <Treenaks> use IMAP ?
[11:16] <tux> haha :)
[11:16] <crimsun> is /home on a separate partition?
[11:16] <spikeb> bah
[11:16] <Hmmmmm_> crimsun, yes
[11:16] <Hmmmmm_> i wana backup my data
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> wipe of my previous /home
[11:17] <spikeb> how the hell am i supposed to compile guifications without a gaim pkgconfig entry
[11:17] <crimsun> then leave /home be
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> and do it all again
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> crimsun, i wana do it fro mscratch
[11:17] <topyli> well, the mail is in .evolution/mail/local
[11:17] <crimsun> since when did gaim have a pkgconfig entry?
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> i moved from mandrake to suse to fc1 to fc2 then to ubuntu using the same home
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> its been intact for 3 years
[11:17] <Hmmmmm_> i need to clean things up a little
[11:18] <JanneM> well, how do you usually make backups?
[11:18] <Hmmmmm_> thats the thing
[11:18] <Hmmmmm_> i dont
[11:18] <Hmmmmm_> ever back up
[11:18] <Meridian> i need qt-devel...is in ubuntu ?
[11:18] <JanneM> eeeeeeeeek
[11:18] <Hmmmmm_> [fingers crossed] 
[11:19] <Hmmmmm_> i just wana burn my GBzzzzz of music and movies on DVDs
[11:19] <crimsun> Meridian: yes
[11:19] <JanneM> so burn the evolution dir as well
[11:19] <crimsun> libqt3-dev: Candidate: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[11:19] <Hmmmmm_> JanneM, doesn seem to trust in the life filesystem... lol
[11:20] <JanneM> I've had enough bad experiences that once a day is barely trustworthy in my view
[11:20] <Hmmmmm_> JanneM, but can i just import it n warty? coz im moving from evolution 1.4.6 to 2
[11:20] <JanneM> yes
[11:20] <JanneM> I went from 1.4 to 2 (on fc2) and evo2 found the old evo dir and imported everthing
[11:20] <Hmmmmm_> do i just dump the .evolution/ to my new /home in warty
[11:20] <JanneM> yep
[11:20] <Hmmmmm_> or do i hav to import the data?
[11:21] <JanneM> then start evo2
[11:21] <JanneM> it will find it on start
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[11:22] <JanneM> just make sure you copy it over before you start ev2 for the first time
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> i hope it works
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> coz my mails are my life
[11:22] <spikeb> i have a question - i noticed that there's a bit in grub entry for the kernel about splash...what is that about?
[11:22] <JanneM> it did for me, and I have a huge, complicated mail structure
[11:22] <JanneM> no splash in warty
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> ic
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> well i hav trusted linux for long
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> so there's no need to doubt it now
[11:22] <JanneM> Hmmmmm_: correct to be sceptical
[11:22] <spikeb> JanneM, then why is there a splash bit in the bootup commands?
[11:22] <topyli> Hmmmmm_: in it fails, you can import the mbox files then. that'll work at least
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> JanneM, did u also feel the speed difference in ubuntu compared to fc2?
[11:22] <Hmmmmm_> topyli, good thinking... thnx
[11:22] <JanneM> but _please_ be a little sceptical about a small, delicate metal disk spinning very rapidly for years without rest
[11:22] <Kamion> spikeb: the only effect of that is to change init's output slightly
[11:23] <spikeb> ahhhh
[11:23] <Kamion> spikeb: we put it there when we thought we were going to do bootsplash for warty, and it wasn't worth reverting
[11:23] <JanneM> Hmmmmm_: I haven't changed any existing computer yet, so no idea
[11:23] <spikeb> heh
[11:23] <Hmmmmm_> ic
[11:23] <spikeb> Kamion,  how come you guys decided not to do bootsplash for warty?
[11:23] <spikeb> i almost typed water, heh
[11:23] <Hmmmmm_> btw where will warty's release get announced?
[11:23] <Hmmmmm_> ubuntulinux.org?
[11:23] <Treenaks> and when :)
[11:23] <Kamion> spikeb: making the required bootsplash changes to the kernel fatally broke the installer.
[11:24] <spikeb> ouch
[11:24] <Kamion> spikeb: thus, too risky => backed out
[11:24] <spikeb> Kamion, heh, i can understand that./
[11:24] <spikeb> well since i have it installed, i suppose i can make my own kernel.
[11:24] <Treenaks> Kamion: I guess it'll be looked at again for Hoary?
[11:24] <Hmmmmm_> first thing im gona do is to get the softporn off my gdm
[11:24] <Kamion> (and several people at the conference we were at at the time embarked on designing something new)
[11:24] <spikeb> i dont have any softporn on my artwork anymore
[11:25] <JanneM> Hmmmmm_: the deafult is without those images
[11:25] <JanneM> though thankfully they're still available
[11:25] <Kamion> Treenaks: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog, mentioned briefly there
[11:25] <Kamion> Hmmmmm_: ubuntu-announce@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:25] <Kamion> Hmmmmm_: and wherever else we can think of
[11:26] <agenteo> I've installad k3b and gcompris on ubuntu but I don't find them in the gnome menus... in debian usually I solved this with update-menus
[11:26] <Hmmmmm_> JanneM, oic
[11:26] <spikeb> lots of stuff planned for the next release
[11:26] <atariboy> howdy. newbie alert. can beagle/dashboard run on Ubuntu?
[11:27] <Hmmmmm_> im gona torrent it
[11:27] <atariboy> and does XD2 run on Ubuntu?
[11:27] <Hmmmmm_> atariboy, ya i wna know that too... iv been waiting for beagle and dashboard for a while
[11:28] <spikeb> atariboy,  no.
[11:28] <atariboy> no on both questions?
[11:28] <topyli> agenteo: ubuntu doesn't use debian-menu. you'll have to add the menu entries yourself
[11:28] <spikeb> atariboy,  no to the second
[11:28] <spikeb> beagle and dashboard might work
[11:28] <atariboy> it is weird. XD2 doesn't even work on Suse 9.1. and they are from Novell
[11:28] <Hmmmmm_> looks like dr.nat wants it to be exclusive for his desktop
[11:28] <spikeb> XD2 is old, that's partially why.
[11:28] <bob2> togs: rm /etc/rc2.d/S91samba, try again
[11:28] <atariboy> oh i see
[11:29] <tux> i better go out and buy some blank cd's for the release today :))
[11:29] <atariboy> it is getting rolled into Novell desktop then?
[11:29] <spikeb> atariboy,  i'd assume so, but i dont know.
[11:29] <atariboy> oki
[11:29] <atariboy> URL for XD?
[11:30] <atariboy> oh..
[11:30] <atariboy> it is a commercial version of XD?
[11:30] <atariboy> I see
[11:31] <spikeb> this is pretty. and sort of easy.
[11:31] <atariboy> i have used debian before though. so i like the idea of Ubuntu
[11:31] <Hmmmmm_> spikeb, do u hav a screnshot?
[11:31] <atariboy> back when Woody was 'unstable'
[11:32] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: industrial is the theme Ubuntu uses
[11:32] <spikeb> not currently
[11:32] <spikeb> atariboy,  holy mackerel
[11:32] <atariboy> wha?
[11:32] <bob2> indubstrial!
[11:32] <Hmmmmm_> jdub, ic
[11:32] <atariboy> long time ago?
[11:32] <spikeb> atariboy, that was a while ago :)
[11:32] <atariboy> ya :)
[11:33] <Meridian> i question...where is the qt-dev installed directory ?
[11:33] <atariboy> 5 years
[11:33] <Meridian> i search *.h files
[11:33] <spikeb> what the hell
[11:33] <spikeb> the UT2k4 installer is nuts
[11:34] <xskoulax> woot, just finished backing up my laptop anybody want to say goodby to my xp install before i blow it away?
[11:35] <septeracore> goodbye xp install :)
[11:35] <crimsun> Meridian: /usr/include/qt3/
[11:35] <Meridian> crimsun, thx
[11:35] <justdave> anyone know if anyone has a working mol for Ubuntu posted anywhere yet?
[11:36] <JanneM> mol?
[11:36] <spikeb> wtf
[11:36] <xskoulax> actaully this desktop is running xp, but i'm hardly going to stop my pron downloads midway through
[11:36] <justdave> mol = Mac-on-Linux
[11:36] <xskoulax> ;)
[11:36] <Hmmmmm_> ya mol?
[11:36] <spikeb> ut2k4 merely keeps going and going and going
[11:37] <Hmmmmm_> oic
[11:37] <bob2> isn't mol in universe?
[11:37] <justdave> the one in universe is missing a few packages, and the ones that are there are compiled against the 2.4 kernel
[11:38] <xskoulax> with a laptop install should i install with the wireless inserted or removed?
[11:39] <bob2> doesn't matter.
[11:39] <bob2> if it's installed and detected, you can finish the install over it
[11:39] <xskoulax> kool
[11:39] <atariboy> what ever happend to Corel Desktop?
[11:40] <spikeb> it died, and then xandros got it
[11:40] <spikeb> so corel desktop is now xandros desktop
[11:40] <atariboy> ah
[11:40] <spikeb> as far as KDE based distros go, xandros is nice.
[11:41] <atariboy> i see. oh well. i wanna stick with Gnome for beagle/dashboard
[11:41] <Hmmmmm_> is warty going to be released by south africa time or us time?
[11:42] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: South Africa time is almost the same as Europe time afaik
[11:42] <justdave> UTC
[11:42] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: 15:00 UTC
[11:42] <Kamion> 1600
[11:42] <atariboy> i'm downloading Suse at the moment to try it but if i find out how to use it on Ubuntu i'll 'switch' :)
[11:42] <jdub> Kamion: ahr
[11:42] <Treenaks> atariboy: what? gnome?
[11:42] <atariboy> !?
[11:43] <atariboy> am i missing something?
[11:43] <|trey|> atariboy: so you want to try a primarily KDE distro.... because you want to stick with GNOME?  idgi
[11:44] <tom_cat> atariboy: we miss k3b in base of ubuntu
[11:44] <|trey|> tom_cat: s/we/you/
[11:44] <Hmmmmm_> jdub, warty is gona get released at 150:00 utc?
[11:44] <Treenaks> 150 o'clock? :)
[11:44] <tom_cat> we means ubuntu team and ubuntu users
[11:44] <atariboy> beagle/dashboard is gnome based. is Suse mainly KDE based?
[11:44] <|trey|> I never use graphical tools to burn CD's, cdrecord is just easier, and I don't have to play with ui buttons to get the desired result...
[11:44] <sanitario> is anyone except me having problems with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686?
[11:44] <|trey|> atariboy: yes...
[11:44] <xskoulax> lol @ Treenaks
[11:44] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, meant 15:00
[11:45] <atariboy> oh. heh
[11:45] <|trey|> sanitario: nope... mainly cuz I figured libc-686 would be pleanty optimization  :/
[11:45] <Treenaks> does anyone know when people can expect the shipit CDs?
[11:45] <xskoulax> was you thinking 15 hundred?
[11:46] <sanitario> it won't boot for me
[11:46] <|trey|> Treenaks: presumably shortly after the release  :/
[11:46] <Treenaks> sanitario: what kind of processor do you ahve
[11:46] <sanitario> Treenaks: pentium M 
[11:46] <Treenaks> |trey|: of course, but "how short is short" :)
[11:46] <atariboy> well the reason i am getting *nix is beagle/dashboard. devs who work on those use Novell desktop. So I assumed Suse would be a good bet
[11:47] <Treenaks> |trey|: I'd even pay for it, if it doesn't cost too much
[11:47] <Hmmmmm_> jdub, how many hours from now is the release gona be in? coz i gotta go out and i wna plan it accordingly so i i ca start the download
[11:47] <|trey|> atariboy: SuSE = KDE, Novell Linux Desktop includes both, but defaults to GNOME... you want NLD, not SUSE...
[11:47] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: do "TZ=UTC date" in a shell
[11:48] <Treenaks> wo okt 20 09:48:03 UTC 2004
[11:48] <atariboy> |trey|: ah. i'm so confused then. i didn't think NLD was out
[11:48] <Hmmmmm_> Wed Oct 20 09:50:57 UTC 2004
[11:48] <|trey|> atariboy: its not yet  :/
[11:48] <atariboy> oh heh
[11:48] <|trey|> SUSE 9.1 has a lot of old software   :/
[11:49] <uman> a collector's item ?
[11:49] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, you in asia?
[11:49] <xskoulax> holland right
[11:49] <|trey|> SUSE 9.2 will be out soon... blah... go with the "Novell" based offerings... those signify where the company is headed  :/
[11:49] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: no, I'm in the Netherlands
[11:49] <atariboy> bleh. |trey|, have you tried beagle on Ubuntu?
[11:49] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, coz im india and our time's look pretty similar
[11:50] <atariboy> |trey|: i see. ta
[11:50] <xskoulax> thats cause it was utc
[11:50] <Hmmmmm_> ok blooper!
[11:50] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: 9:50 is UTC.. it's 11:50 here now..
[11:50] <|trey|> atariboy: no... it was installed via NLD though... not even entirely sure what it does  :/
[11:50] <Hmmmmm_> ic
[11:50] <|trey|> (beta tester)  :/
[11:50] <atariboy> |trey|: desktop search/indexing
[11:51] <atariboy> www.beaglewiki.org
[11:51] <iz> Treenaks, netherlands ofcourse :)
[11:51] <|trey|> atariboy: hmm... why isn't this part of gnome 2.8?  8)
[11:51] <spikeb> |trey|, it's not ready yet.
[11:51] <Treenaks> iz: uiteraard :)
[11:51] <atariboy> it isn't ready for primetime yet
[11:51] <iz> :)
[11:51] <|trey|> spikeb: makes sense  :/
[11:51] <sanitario> this is what I get when I try to boot with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[11:52] <Kamion> sanitario: sounds like the initrd wasn't set up
[11:52] <Treenaks> sanitario: on what kind of devide is your root fs?
[11:52] <Treenaks> device
[11:52] <sanitario> Kamion: yeah, it does
[11:52] <Kamion> or else you forgot root=/dev/<whatever>
[11:52] <sanitario> Kamion: I just did apt-get install
[11:52] <Kamion> more likely the latter actually
[11:53] <Kamion> s/you/it/ then ;)
[11:53] <sanitario> Treenaks: ide harddrive
[11:53] <sanitario> Treenaks: thinkpad t40
[11:53] <spikeb> oooh perty
[11:54] <sanitario> Kamion: yes
[11:54] <iz> hd0
[11:54] <Kamion> sanitario: if you're using grub, I think you need to make sure that all the requisite options are in the commented # kopt line in menu.lst, otherwise update-grub doesn't know what options to put in
[11:54] <sanitario> the only info I can find on the mailinglist is that someone got the same error with the k7 version of the kernel
[11:54] <lupus_> to bad the ubuntu kernel does not have the inotify patch
[11:54] <Kamion> sanitario: for now try booting with root=/dev/hda1 or wherever it actually is
[11:55] <s7s> When i startup Ubuntu, it reports an error in 'Hotplug subsystem'. I don?t use 'Hotplug', so i want to remove it from the startup-procedure. How can i do that?
[11:55] <sanitario> Kamion: I'll try to install itagain, it might have been fixed since yesterday I guess...
[11:55] <Treenaks> s7s: you do use hotplug..
[11:55] <sanitario> Kamion: and in other case try the root-option
[11:55] <atariboy> can one do a Ubuntu net install? (i once downloaded a floppy, booted from that then installed via the net using debian. is this possible?)
[11:56] <sanitario> Kamion: the kopt looks fine
[11:56] <s7s> Treenaks, Wnat happens if i disable it?
[11:56] <Treenaks> s7s: most hardware you have won't be detected/usable
[11:56] <sanitario> Kamion: and the root too
[11:56] <sanitario> brb
[11:57] <s7s> Treenaks, Okay, didn?t knew that. Thanks :)
[11:57] <Kamion> s7s: you can ditch it if you make absolutely sure the modules for all your hardware are in /etc/modules
[11:57] <s7s> Kamion, i?ll check it...
[11:57] <iz> any 1 use the amd64 version ?
[12:01] <|trey|> atariboy: there is no 'netinst' image at this time, no...
[12:01] <tuxakka> Hi, why in ubuntu's gnome 2.8 collapse my mouse after few seconds of working?
[12:01] <atariboy> ok. thanks |trey| 
[12:01] <Treenaks> tuxakka: could you be more specific? what happens?
[12:01] <tuxakka> cursor moves in side of display Treenaks
[12:02] <|trey|> atariboy: you can however do a debian netinst, add an ubuntu source, and install 'ubuntu-desktop' if you are so inclined  :)
[12:02] <Treenaks> tuxakka: what kind of mouse do you have?
[12:02] <tuxakka> usb optical logitech
[12:02] <atariboy> |trey|: heh. result would be the same then?
[12:02] <Koffa> hw-support site says Atheros-based wlan-cards are supported - with which module is that?
[12:03] <Treenaks> tuxakka: that describes about 50 mice :) do you have a model name?
[12:03] <|trey|> atariboy: pretty much, yeah... wouldn't be complete set of packages... but its a fair chunk  :)
[12:03] <atariboy> cool
[12:03] <Treenaks> Koffa: madwifi
[12:03] <Treenaks> Koffa: but it'll load automatically if an Atheros card is detected, I guess
[12:03] <Koffa> no such module
[12:03] <ntl> Koffa: ath_pci.ko and ath_hal.ko
[12:03] <bdoetsch> hi there
[12:03] <Koffa> in which kernel-image should it be available?
[12:04] <iz> gutentag
[12:04] <Koffa> no madw* nor ath_* found
[12:04] <agenteo> can you suggest me a good gui cd burner in ubuntu?
[12:04] <iz> k3b
[12:04] <spikeb> nautilus-cd-burner
[12:04] <jdub> agenteo: nautilus :-)
[12:04] <|trey|> damnit @ slow compile times  :(
[12:04] <|trey|> Sup jdub  8)
[12:05] <tuxakka> Treenaks on mouse reads optical mouse m/n: m-bj58
[12:05] <Koffa> ntl/treenaks: any help would be appreciated :)
[12:05] <bdoetsch> got a question: is there a tool to repartition my harddrive out of ubuntu?
[12:05] <ntl> Koffa: I think you need the linux-restricted-modules package
[12:05] <Koffa> ok
[12:05] <|trey|> bdoetsch: gparted
[12:06] <|trey|> bdoetsch: or just parted.
[12:06] <agenteo> jdub: is it? I'll try it thanks :-(
[12:06] <bdoetsch> thx trey :-)
[12:06] <agenteo> *:-)
[12:06] <Treenaks> Koffa: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 and/or linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686 (replace 386/686 with k7 if you have an AMD cpu)
[12:06] <Koffa> ntl: thanks, that's the one
[12:06] <Koffa> Treenaks: thanks to you too :)
[12:06] <xskoulax> Treenaks: that mouse is a 2 button scroll, like the ones dell ships with looking at it
[12:06] <Koffa> still a bit lost with this...
[12:07] <Treenaks> xskoulax: I don't know then.
[12:07] <s7s> About that Hotplug thing: The error is in something called 'shpchp'.
[12:07] <bdoetsch> |trey|, how can i get gparted? its not available in synaptic
[12:07] <xskoulax> i think you can treat it like a intellimouse tuxakka 
[12:08] <|trey|> bdoetsch: no idea  :/
[12:08] <xskoulax> my logitec got click happy, so its been a while since i used it
[12:08] <|trey|> bdoetsch: Debian sid has it  :/
[12:09] <|trey|> bdoetsch: presumably universe should too...
[12:09] <tuxakka> dmeg say abou mice: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse]  on usb-0000:00:11.2-1
[12:09] <bdoetsch> |trey|, universe hasn't got it
[12:09] <s7s> Maybe multiverse?
[12:10] <|trey|> jdub: ya know, there really should be something simular to packages.debian.org for ubuntu, would make life a lot easier  8)
[12:10] <bdoetsch> |trey|, installing qtparted now...
[12:10] <|trey|> s7s: its being considered for GNOME, so its not non-free  :/
[12:10] <|trey|> bdoetsch: ugh, just use parted... qt is gross  :/
[12:10] <tuxakka> there is also error in dmesg:Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:85 is it about mouse related?
[12:10] <togs> I got weird things going on... The apps I have open don't appear in the task bar
[12:11] <bdoetsch> |trey|, i know qt is gross...but at least not a ncurses gui
[12:11] <Meridian> how can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?
[12:11] <xskoulax> tuxakka: i have no clue sorry :(
[12:11] <s7s> What is 'SHPCHP'?
[12:11] <tuxakka> ok
[12:11] <|trey|> bdoetsch: so you're prepared to install about 20 MB's of libs to avoid a TUI? its not ncurses btw... at least not the way I have used it  :/
[12:12] <bdoetsch> |trey|, got them already installed for k3b...so no problem
[12:12] <|trey|> bdoetsch: your logic is flawed, but its your time and system  :/
[12:12] <xskoulax> __daniel: wilkommen zuruk
[12:12] <uman> k3b is the only reason for me to have kde stuff
[12:12] <xskoulax> sp?
[12:12] <bdoetsch> |trey|, why is k3b illogical?
[12:13] <tuxakka> dmesg also says: [<c018bcd4>]  kobject_cleanup+0x40/0x65
[12:13] <|trey|> k3b doesn't do what I tell it, somehow between k3b's interface, and it telling cdrecord what to do, something gets muggled up... so I just tell cdrecord what to do myself  :/
[12:13] <Ng> |trey|: I don't like qt, but it's a bit harsh to yell at people for using stuff that uses it ;)
[12:14] <bdoetsch> btw, is there a way that evolution starts filtering spam? i activated it in the preferences but have seen no effect so far
[12:14] <Meridian> how can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?
[12:14] <|trey|> Ng: not at all  :/  installing the libs for one or two apps makes me wanna hit people  :/
[12:14] <jdub> bdoetsch: you need to install spamc and spamassassin from universe
[12:14] <tuxakka> is there much diffrence with vanilla kernel?
[12:14] <|trey|> bdoetsch: install spamassassin
[12:14] <Ng> |trey|: then you need to calm the hell down dude :)
[12:14] <|trey|> jdub: spamc = spamassassin dep  ;)
[12:15] <bob2> tuxakka: piles of drivers.
[12:15] <bdoetsch> jdub, that would definitely be something for the wiki/faq :-)
[12:15] <jdub> bdoetsch: you don't need to ask permission
[12:15] <Koffa> hmm... module loads up but I can't get reply from dhcp
[12:16] <bdoetsch> jdub, tried to edit the wiki but it told me i didn't have permissions (on another topic)
[12:16] <bdoetsch> brb
[12:16] <bob2> bdoetsch: login
[12:16] <tuxakka> could my mouse collapse be kernel related, or should I check Xconfig?
[12:16] <jdub> bdoetsch: click UserPreferences and create a user
[12:16] <Treenaks> tuxakka: most likely X config
[12:16] <sanitario> okay, so that didn't work... 
[12:16] <bdoetsch> jdub, that's all? 
[12:16] <sanitario> this is what happens: http://student.chl.chalmers.se/~it3thpe/kernelpanic01.jpg
[12:17] <uman> tuxakka: have you checked your logs yet ?
[12:17] <jdub> bdoetsch: yes
[12:17] <Koffa> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
[12:17] <Koffa> times n
[12:17] <Treenaks> sanitario: try booting without quiet
[12:17] <Treenaks> sanitario: you can remove it in the grub menu
[12:18] <sanitario> Treenaks: yeah, I'll try that, brb
[12:18] <Treenaks> sanitario: then compare the output of the working one with the broken one
[12:18] <sanitario> Treenaks: ok
[12:19] <tuxakka> uman not yet checking
[12:20] <uman> tuxakka: since I've been on xorg my middle mouse button stopped working, the wheel bit still works
[12:20] <uman> just not clicking on it
[12:20] <__daniel> xskoulax, sorry, didnt read it. you were nearly right, it's "willkommen zurck" :-)
[12:21] <xskoulax> ahhh had a feeling i spelt it wrong, its been a while
[12:21] <jono> hi all
[12:21] <jono> did the naked people art cause some offence or something - it has been removed?
[12:21] <__daniel> xskoulax, where are you from?
[12:21] <xskoulax> hi jono
[12:21] <jono> heya xskoulax
[12:21] <__daniel> jono, there's a new package
[12:22] <spiv> jono: ubuntu-calendar has the people.
[12:22] <jono> __daniel, thats what I mean, was it removed for a reason?
[12:22] <xskoulax> born in london, england currently living in denver usa
[12:22] <__daniel> jono, i missed those naked guys so much :-)
[12:22] <bob2> jono: it's not the default anymore.
[12:22] <jono> heh
[12:22] <__daniel> glad to habe em back :-)
[12:22] <jono> I could have imagined some people getting upperty about them for some stupid reason
[12:22] <__daniel> xskoulax, you learned german back in england?
[12:23] <Treenaks> whee.. mono is in multiverse!
[12:23] <jdub> universe
[12:23] <xskoulax> yea for a couple years, around what 9 years ago
[12:23] <Treenaks> jdub: universe?
[12:23] <__daniel> xskoulax, wow
[12:23] <jdub> mono is in universe, not multiverse
[12:23] <jono> http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/archives/2004/10/ubdate_1.html - that is exactly what we need :)
[12:24] <Treenaks> jdub: hm.. it seems to be in in both, by looking at pool/{uni,multi}verse/m
[12:24] <Treenaks> jdub: both have a "m/mono"
[12:24] <xskoulax> willkommen i knew was what i wanted to say, zuruck was me streching my memory to breaking point ;)
[12:24] <jdub> $ apt-cache show mono | grep ^Filename
[12:24] <jdub> Filename: pool/universe/m/mono/mono_1.0.1-1_i386.deb
[12:25] <Treenaks> jdub: uh.. I take that back, I need to re-learn the alphabet, sorry
[12:25] <Treenaks> jdub: M comes before U
[12:25] <togs> is anybody else having trouble after doing distro-upgrades?
[12:25] <Koffa> 'RX packets:0 errors:1604 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:1604' - bad driver or broken hardware?
[12:26] <Treenaks> togs: distro-upgrades?
[12:26] <lupus_> jdub, will inotify be in hoary?
[12:26] <Treenaks> Koffa: interrupt troubles?
[12:26] <Treenaks> Koffa: look at the output of 'dmesg', it might tell you more
[12:27] <jacob> So is Warty being released today?
[12:27] <togs> i updated the package list in synaptic, clicked mark all upgrades, then apply
[12:27] <bob2> jacob: yes
[12:27] <Koffa> well irq 11 is shared, but should that be a problem?
[12:27] <jacob> bob2, great
[12:28] <Treenaks> Koffa: not really.. PCI IRQ sharing should Just Work
[12:28] <Koffa> nothing else jumps out
[12:28] <Treenaks> Koffa: strange..
[12:28] <jdub> lupus_: most likely
[12:28] <sanitario> okey, so now I know what it was
[12:28] <lupus_> nice :)
[12:28] <lupus_> can't wait :)
[12:29] <togs> now the apps i have open aren't on the taskbar, there's only one virtual workspace, the applets like processor monitor are gone, and firefox won't start
[12:29] <Treenaks> togs: no trouble here.. where did you upgrade from?
[12:29] <togs> anybody else getting that sort of behaviour?
[12:29] <sanitario> the initrd was 18 MB 
[12:29] <togs> the default reps
[12:30] <sanitario> and only 8 megs was allowed
[12:30] <Treenaks> sanitario: weird?
[12:30] <Treenaks> sanitario: how did you get it to 18M?
[12:30] <sanitario> Treenaks: apt-get install linux-686 ? 
[12:30] <xskoulax> where would i go to pass WEP information on to my wireless card under ubuntu?
[12:30] <Treenaks> sanitario: hm ok
[12:31] <jdub> xskoulax: /etc/network/interfaces
[12:31] <Treenaks> xskoulax: or using the Network settings thing
[12:31] <xskoulax> Treenaks: i looked it the network settings thing couldn't see it there ;(
[12:31] <togs> plus samba is now a broken package :(
[12:31] <|trey|> ugh, where can I get the old images from? and why was it desided to get rid of them entirely rather then simply not have them as default?
[12:32] <sanitario> Treenaks: anyways, I set ramdisk=32768 and it booted nicely, added it to kopts in grub now too
[12:32] <__daniel> |trey|, you have to install a new package to get those nice guys back
[12:32] <|trey|> __daniel: which one?
[12:33] <sanitario> |trey|: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar 
[12:33] <|trey|> sanitario: thanks  :)
[12:34] <|trey|> I'm still not entirely sure I understand the calendar graphics... :(
[12:35] <sanitario> |trey|: in november, there will be a new one
[12:35] <teroz> hi guyz whats up
[12:35] <Meridian> how can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?
[12:35] <teroz> quest
[12:36] <teroz> :)
[12:37] <|trey|> Ugh, I feel like a moron, but where do you change splash screen images?
[12:38] <togs> this install's gone bonkers. I think it's mostly Gnome that's broken
[12:38] <teroz> how do i navigate to smb shares from the command line
[12:39] <sanitario> |trey|: my friend tells me it's done in gconf
[12:39] <sanitario> |trey|: I 
[12:39] <|trey|> togs: define "bonkers"
[12:39] <sanitario> |trey|: I *think* it's on the wiki
[12:39] <togs> now the apps i have open aren't on the taskbar, there's only one virtual workspace, the applets like processor monitor are gone, and firefox won't start *repost of previous line :)
[12:39] <togs> that's a start
[12:40] <UBMike> teroz, smbmount ?
[12:40] <sanitario> |trey|: gconf -> apps -> gnome-session -> options
[12:40] <|trey|> sanitario: thanks  :)
[12:40] <sanitario> |trey|: no problem
[12:41] <teroz> UBMike, aren't they already mounted when i can navigate them from computer
[12:41] <togs> I don't know if it's because there might be new packages because of the official version coming out or what
[12:41] <sikkh> hi
[12:41] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> no mono packages in ubuntu?
[12:41] <|trey|> That key needs a "browse" button when you edit it  :(
[12:41] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Gaim won't interpret the html and I'm seeing tags :( :(
[12:41] <UBMike> teroz, don't know, have a look in /etc/mtab perhaps...
[12:41] <sikkh> can I install ubunto after booting from floppy thru network?
[12:42] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: in universe.
[12:42] <|trey|> sikkh: sure...
[12:42] <sikkh> or updateing apt sources in a running debian?
[12:42] <sikkh> |trey| any floppy image prepared?
[12:42] <togs> now I get this error when opening the music player: Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register?
[12:42] <|trey|> sikkh: nope
[12:42] <Koffa> argh
[12:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, im doing a search in synaptic.. I'm pretty sure I have universe configured.. but im not seeing anything called "mono"
[12:42] <teroz> UBMike, doen't show any smb mounts 
[12:43] <teroz> ie mtab doesn't show any smb mounts
[12:43] <Koffa> Treenaks: noapic acpi=off
[12:43] <Koffa> now it works
[12:43] <togs> hence, it's gone bonkers :P
[12:43] <Koffa> now I just have to find my login/pass from 'somewhere' :)
[12:43] <sanitario> togs: sorry to say this, but have you tried rebooting?
[12:44] <togs> several times, sanitario :(
[12:44] <sanitario> Koffa: it's in universe ;)
[12:44] <sanitario> togs: oh, that sucks
[12:44] <SepheeBear> there's some mono stuff in Tseng's repository add this line to /etc/apt/sources.lst.... deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[12:44] <Koffa> sanitario: what? where?
[12:44] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: Bet you $50 you don't have it set up  ;)
[12:45] <Meridian> hello....how i install an usb scanner to ubuntu (Canon Canonscan 5000F)
[12:45] <Koffa> ach... <-- slow
[12:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, im not a betting man :) and no I didn't :(
[12:45] <sanitario> Koffa: I'm just joking, couldn't stop myself
[12:45] <togs> I think I might wait for official announcement of release, re-install using the preview CD and let it update during install
[12:45] <togs> is that a good idea?
[12:45] <Koffa> I thought "lucky me, no need to tweak any kernel-params"
[12:45] <Koffa> fsck this... I've been fighting with the same issue for 2wks in debian
[12:45] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: I've seen you in #debian before huh?
[12:45] <Koffa> probably works there too now
[12:46] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, probably.. but I've never run debian before :)
[12:46] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: #fedora?
[12:46] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, I thought that I added universe when I first installed ubuntu.. maybe after the upgrade it wrote over my apt sources? hmm
[12:46] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, no I do hang oput in #debian.. I just dont run it.. I usually run Mandrake
[12:46] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: didn't here... I would kick someone if it did  :)
[12:47] <|trey|> az[a] zel_ubuntu: umm, ouch  :(
[12:47] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, it's okay...im getting a bit sick of it though.. the only reason I like it is because it only takes me about 30 minutes to set up
[12:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, most of the "hardcore" distro's, take me ages, and I have to do a lot of things manually
[12:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> |trey|, except for ubuntu, hence me trying it out
[12:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ermmm? there's no mono-jit or mono-mint package in universe for amd64 ?
[12:49] <|trey|> I even remember stating "yuck" right before I hit restart  8)
[12:49] <sladen> az[a] zel_ubuntu: so it's offical, Ubunutu is *hardcore*  ;-)
[12:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> sladen, well, it's based on debian
[12:49] <sikkh> |trey| wer do I get a list of apt sources for ubuntu?
[12:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> any amd64 people here?
[12:50] <|trey|> sladen: Warty is perhaps... Hoary surely won't be able to be classified the same though  :/
[12:50] <|trey|> sikkh: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MirrorArchive  *checks*
[12:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> there's a bunch of mono packages, but no JIT or Interpreter! doh... I *still* haven't been able to try mono out, because mdk packages are broken, and ubuntu packages appear to be non existance
[12:51] <|trey|> I'm a retard...
[12:51] <|trey|> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[12:51] <isam> I had been following ubuntu since I heard of it .. I am a KDE user .. it seems that ubunto is Gnome-based, and KDE is part of the not-really-taken-care-of universe .. is there an advantage of using ubuntu for me ? I am currently on sid .. 
[12:51] <|trey|> isam: no...
[12:51] <isam> and what is needed to have KDE taken care of ?
[12:51] <Riddell> isam: nope, wait until the KDE stuff happens
[12:51] <sikkh> |trey| thx
[12:51] <|trey|> isam: but the KDE packages ARE the Sid packages...
[12:51] <bob2> isam: someone who cares to look after it
[12:51] <Riddell> |trey|: no they arn't, they're the testing packages
[12:52] <|trey|> Riddell: they are the Sid packages, only about a month or more old  :/
[12:52] <sladen> isam: I think riddell has kde 3.3.3.3.3.3 packages
[12:52] <|trey|> Riddell: Ubuntu never takes from testing...
[12:52] <isam> well.. as ubuntu packages are build with P4 gcc flags, I was hoping to get a better performance from ubuntu than debian
[12:52] <Riddell> sladen: as it happens I do
[12:53] <Riddell> isam: you can use my KDE 3.3 packages "deb http://geeksoc.org/~jr/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[12:53] <plovs_work> does the udev/hal stuff work in kde?
[12:53] <sikkh> |tray| add warty, warty-security and warty-updates?
[12:53] <sikkh> to apt sources
[12:53] <Riddell> plovs_work: nope, I'd like to get it to work one day though
[12:53] <isam> Riddell, can I use them in sid ? or problems may rise ?
[12:53] <whiprush> anyone know the specific wiki software the wiki runs on?
[12:53] <Riddell> isam: they're just the sid packages recompiled for Ubuntu (apart from a couple of ones I made)
[12:54] <plovs_work> Riddell, plans? or just wishing?
[12:54] <bob2> whiprush: moinmoin.
[12:54] <isam> Riddell, what do you mean (udev/hal) isn't supported in KDE ? what does KDE need to support it ? isn't ha;/udev more low level ?
[12:54] <whiprush> thanks
[12:54] <|trey|> sikkh: umm, $REPO_URL/dists/$DIST  :/
[12:54] <Riddell> plovs_work: mostly just wishing :)  there's stuff in kdenonbeta/ that might work
[12:55] <plovs_work> whiprush, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/
[12:55] <|trey|> sikkh: security NEVER has mirrors though, that would be kinda insecure  :/
[12:55] <Riddell> isam: there's the KDE volume manager in kdenonbeta which might work but you need Qt DBUS bindings and they're going to be out of date once Qt 4 is out
[12:55] <whiprush> plovs_work: yeah reading it now, thanks
[12:55] <Ng> |trey|: not if you sign packages
[12:55] <robtaylor> Hi all
[12:55] <robtaylor> Does anyone know who'se working on the live-cd stuff?
[12:55] <plovs_work> Riddell, too bad, well i use gnome anyway...
[12:56] <|trey|> Ng: apt in experimental can do that... current apt can't though without help  :/
[12:56] <plovs_work> isam, udev/hal itself peobably works it just doesn't tals to the WM and doesn't open any windows etc
[12:57] <Ng> |trey|: indeed. at least they are fixing that though :)
[12:57] <|trey|> Ng: if its not the default action... its insecure  :/
[12:57] <tuxakka> in xconfig ubuntu has put all others as I seen before but:"Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[12:57] <Ng> |trey|: no more or less than mirroring the non-security tree
[12:57] <|trey|> Ng: actually works well... not entirely sure why it hasn't moved to sid yet  :/
[12:58] <tuxakka> could that mouse emulation cause collapse?
[12:58] <Treenaks> |trey|: probably because they want to wait for the Next Release
[12:58] <Treenaks> tuxakka: not likely
[12:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> any AMD64 packagers/users here ?
[12:58] <Treenaks> tuxakka: it's probably the protocol
[12:59] <Meridian> how can i install krusader 1.40 stable version in ubuntu ?
[12:59] <tuxakka> protocol is right Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[12:59] <|trey|> tuxakka: what you describe is usually wrong device or protocol... sounds like something I have seen with GPM...
[01:00] <|trey|> Treenaks: I've not seen things stalled from Sid due to Sarge freeze  :/
[01:00] <bob2> Treenaks: lots of things have
[01:00] <Treenaks> |trey|: it's semi-officially recommended afaik
[01:00] <|trey|> Meridian: ugh, quit repeating... go get the damn package and dpkg -i it!
[01:01] <tuxakka> device is right too Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[01:01] <|trey|> tuxakka: GPM isn't installed?
[01:01] <|trey|> and thats not what I meant  :(
[01:01] <tuxakka> how do I check if I have gpm or not?
[01:02] <|trey|> tuxakka: I said "driver" not "device"  :/
[01:02] <|trey|> dpkg -l gpm
[01:02] <|trey|> if you didn't install it, its not there...
[01:03] <tuxakka> ok then I don't have gpm
[01:03] <tuxakka> could mouse collapse be gnome matter?
[01:03] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> oops, I just did alt-Q to close a window.. damn Apple changing my habits
[01:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: no... if its in experimental, its there because it is *not* meant for general consumption  :/
[01:03] <|trey|> Treenaks: currently debsigs is kinda sorta recommended  :/
[01:04] <Treenaks> |trey|: or because the new version won't be stable enough for Sarge
[01:04] <|trey|> I think thats what its called atleast  :/
[01:04] <tuxakka> dpkg -l gpm un  gpm            <none>
[01:05] <|trey|> Treenaks: :/
[01:05] <Meridian> |trey|, it is not simple
[01:05] <|trey|> Sarge is frozen... afaik, Sid has been opened for new versions again  :/
[01:07] <|trey|> (atleast according to what I have read on planet.d.o
[01:07] <|trey|> )
[01:07] <bob2> why do you end every line with ":/"?
[01:07] <bob2> are you that concerned?
[01:08] <|trey|> bob2: just habit more then anything...
[01:08] <bob2> it's fearly silly
[01:08] <tuxakka> if I try my mouse with other desktop than gnome then I should know is the problem gnome related, right?
[01:08] <|trey|> bob2: it is used to show frustration or apathy usually...
[01:08] <uman> yes
[01:08] <|trey|> bob2: fairly*
[01:10] <bob2> I liked my spelling
[01:10] <|trey|> I didn't, spelling things wrong makes me cringe  :(
[01:11] <|trey|> (yes, I see why... but yeah)
[01:16] <jono> is Kamion in bed?
[01:16] <Kamion> |trey|: sid has not been opened for new versions willy-nilly
[01:16] <Kamion> jono: no?
[01:17] <|trey|> Kamion: my mistake... some are uploading new versions of things though... didn't actually see an announcement on the subject  :/
[01:17] <Kamion> |trey|: yes, of course, was this not expected?
[01:18] <Kamion> |trey|: trying to upload big new subsystems to sid is still highly deprecated
[01:18] <|trey|> Kamion: at one point near sarge freeze, people were getting mad about anything but bug fixes even going into sid  :/
[01:18] <Kamion> I think you're picking up conflicting data from all over the place, no wonder it's confusing you :)
[01:18] <Riddell> hello jono 
[01:18] <|trey|> Kamion: this is highly likely  ;)
[01:19] <Kamion> see announcements on debian-devel-announce
[01:19] <Kamion> anyway, wrong channel. :-)
[01:22] <lupus_> is ubuntu using this? I seem to not seen any bootsplash on bootup http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fusplash
[01:22] <Keybuk> lupus_: we will be for our next release
[01:23] <lupus_> then it should be removed from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog
[01:23] <The_Bell> hello
[01:24] <The_Bell> is there any way to change boot order so ubuntu first check for the pcmcia card manager and then for the network?
[01:24] <The_Bell> I'm having problems booting with a pcmcia ethernet
[01:24] <The_Bell> because of that
[01:24] <lupus_> and from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fKernel  the line Framebuffer-based bootsplash: http://www.bootsplash.org/ also should be removed?
[01:25] <Kamion> that was just brainstorming anyway
[01:25] <Kamion> we'll sort out the wiki once warty's done and dusted
[01:26] <lupus_> k
[01:26] <Kamion> or, anyone else is free to beat us to it, of course :)
[01:26] <Kamion> it's a wiki, free to edit ...
[01:28] <giard> has anyone tried to get the adm8211 (wireless) drivers installed?
[01:28] <lupus_> Kamion, so moving those things to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog
[01:28] <lupus_> is the thing to do :)
[01:29] <Kamion> yep
[01:29] <Kamion> ask if you're not sure about any particular item
[01:30] <lupus_> this  Framebuffer-based bootsplash: http://www.bootsplash.org/ is not in the warty kernel anymore 
[01:30] <Treenaks> why did I read that as Fraunhofer-based bootleg?
[01:30] <Kamion> lupus_: I'll remove that now.
[01:31] <giard> maybe I could ask it another way
[01:31] <lupus_> k
[01:31] <Kamion> gone
[01:32] <giard> how do I get the source for the currently running kernel?
[01:32] <Kamion> giard: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1
[01:32] <Treenaks> giard: if you're going to compile a custom kernel module, please see if it's not already in there
[01:33] <Treenaks> giard: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:33] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - how do i make sure loop module is loaded
[01:33] <speel> hey is there any program for like reminders and such
[01:33] <TheMuso> Sirius_Black: Simply add it to your /etc/modules file.
[01:34] <Sirius_Black> i need it to be able to mount iso images with #mount -o loop file.iso mountpoint
[01:34] <UBMike> Sirius_Black, sudo lsmod|grep loop
[01:34] <Sirius_Black> UBMike: lemme try that
[01:34] <Sirius_Black> UBMike: nothing :-(
[01:35] <TheMuso> Sirius_Black: Chances are that once you mount a loop device, the module will load automatically.
[01:35] <UBMike> Sirius_Black, not loaded then? or hardcoded...
[01:35] <crimsun> it will autoload when you run sudo mount -o loop ...
[01:35] <Sirius_Black> UBMike: any suggestion please
[01:35] <Keybuk> crimsun: it won't ... you need to do modprobe loop
[01:35] <UBMike> Sirius_Black, sudo modprobe loop
[01:35] <crimsun> btw, you don't need sudo lsmod; lsmod by itself suffices
[01:35] <crimsun> Keybuk: interesting.
[01:36] <TheMuso> Keybuk: Are you sure?
[01:36] <Sirius_Black> ah UBMike it worked
[01:36] <Kamion> speel: evolution has calendaring functionality, and if you click on the clock at the top right of the screen then you should see today's appointments
[01:36] <Keybuk> crimsun: not especially, what were you thinking could load the module for you?
[01:36] <Sirius_Black> UBMike: tnx for that (although it was simple).  Will loop load from now on all the time when i boot
[01:37] <Keybuk> Sirius_Black: echo loop >> /etc/modules
[01:37] <giard> hmmm
[01:37] <crimsun> Keybuk: alias block-major-7  loop
[01:37] <giard> how do I check if the module I'm trying to install is already in the restricted modules package?
[01:37] <crimsun> Keybuk: that's what i thought.
[01:37] <UBMike> Sirius_Black, there u go. no add it to /etc/modules like Keybuk says.
[01:37] <Keybuk> crimsun: ah, no ... that's the old-style "load module on /dev access" trick
[01:37] <Sirius_Black> tnx all guys
[01:37] <Keybuk> crimsun: but you don't have /dev/loop* until you load the module these days
[01:38] <crimsun> Keybuk: gotcha.
[01:39] <UBMike> Sirius_Black, np. say hello to Lupin for me :) 
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> UBMike: i will :-))
[01:42] <atariboy> what is the big differences with ubuntu vs debian?
[01:42] <TheMuso> atariboy: Laptop support out of the box, I.E speedstep.
[01:43] <TheMuso> Latest GNOME release.
[01:43] <TheMuso> Single CD install.
[01:43] <brosen> regular releases?
[01:43] <TheMuso> 6 month releases.
[01:44] <Hmmmmm_> guys is warty out ?
[01:44] <bob2> no
[01:44] <__daniel> Hmmmmm_, not yet
[01:44] <kent> atariboy, you get a working desktop without having to mind about stupid questions when installing it. It just installs :)
[01:47] <Kamion> Hmmmmm_: give it a few hours.
[01:48] <daniels> Hmmmmm_: bear in mind that the UK is only just having lunch
[01:48] <ondrej> is there planned support for Ralink RT2500 ? Ralink has GPLed kernel driver on their pages.
[01:48] <tck> ita about 13:00 there
[01:49] <justdave> bob2: just fyi, I found the missing modules for mol...  they're in multiverse
[01:49] <Hmmmmm_> we here in india are having tea
[01:49] <bob2> justdave: oh, non-free stuff?
[01:49] <justdave> it's still compiled against the wrong kernel, but grabbing the deb-src and rebuilding seems to work :)
[01:50] <bob2> ah, cool
[01:50] <carlos> bob2: the Apple's license was non free until recently
[01:50] <Hmmmmm_> it's 5 pm here
[01:50] <uman> that's one of the things that really annoys me, canon finally brought out some linux drivers for more recent printers, but only on their japanese site
[01:50] <tck> we want ubuntu !!
[01:50] <bob2> you can have ubuntu.
[01:50] <Hmmmmm_> tck i second that!
[01:50] <justdave> yeah, it's got drivers compiled from source taken from Darwin, which is "Apple Open Source License"
[01:50] <tck> pm me a linky :P
[01:51] <bob2> ondrej: if they're not in the warty kernel yet, file a wishlist bug on the kernel package to have it added
[01:51] <bob2> or ask on ubuntu-users
[01:51] <bob2> tck: www.ubunutlinux.org/download/
[01:51] <bob2> er, not wishlist, whatever the bugzilla eqiuivalent is
[01:52] <justdave> severity=enhancement
[01:52] <bob2> ah, right
[01:52] <justdave> which is weird, but that's what the equivalent is.  it should really be a separate field instead of tacked onto severity
[01:54] <Kamion> debbugs is the same, wishlist is a severity
[01:55] <justdave> got mol running now, but it doesn't seem to want to give me more than 8 bits of color. :(
[01:55] <justdave> OS X in 8-bit color is freaking awful
[01:55] <justdave> can hardly tell what you're looking at :)
[01:57] <georgia> justdave: how fast does osx run, compared to running natively?
[01:59] <justdave> georgia: almost can't tell the difference.
[01:59] <bob2> hmmm
[01:59] <justdave> it's not a processor emulator, it's only a hardware emulator
[01:59] <Kamion> it's a little too slow to play Starcraft on (not to mention that sound doesn't work)
[02:00] <Kamion> but apart from that it's fine
[02:00] <uman> luckily starcraft works fine on wine
[02:00] <georgia> justdave: i knwo that, but there are other overheads on yoru system, liek the whole linux system, so how much of a performance hit does it take?
[02:00] <justdave> it gets slow if something your doing depends on a certain hardware driver (like video :)
[02:01] <justdave> oh, have to make sure it has enough RAM.
[02:01] <justdave> it defaults to 96 MB, which isn't enough. :)  My G4 has 1.5 GB available, so I give it 512 MB
[02:01] <bob2> speaking of which, are there any usable flash plugins for ppc?
[02:01] <georgia> cool
[02:02] <justdave> I'm usually using one or the other, so I don't know if linux slows down while you're using it
[02:02] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - i use xterm (in KDE, not konsole but plain old xterm) a lot.  default is black fonts on white surface which I dont like, so i run it as "xterm -bg black -fg white".  Can i somehow 'automate' this so every time i run xterm it is white fonts on black surface.  I.e. should I edit some file to sort this one out please etc 
[02:03] <uman> Sirius_Black: I think you can use alias
[02:03] <joem> Sirius_Black, .Xdefaults is what you want to edit
[02:03] <dyn> Sirius_Black: what about a shell alias?
[02:03] <uman> in your ~/.bashrc iirc
[02:03] <Sirius_Black> joem: is Xdefaults in ~
[02:04] <justdave> isn't there something non-free you have to install to get nvidia cards working right?
[02:04] <justdave> this thing has an nvidia in it
[02:04] <joem> Sirius_Black, you need to create it iirc
[02:04] <uman> justdave: nvidia cards will work with the free nv
[02:04] <dyn> justdave: what's mol?
[02:04] <Sirius_Black> dyn: tell me more about shell alias please
[02:04] <Sirius_Black> joem: what is iirc mate
[02:04] <joem> you can probaly google for an example one, or check  http://www.dotfiles.com/
[02:04] <uman> but for 3D you use nividia's nvidia "Driver" which is partly non gpl
[02:04] <joem> if I recall correctly
[02:05] <Sirius_Black> joem: hahahaah tnx mate#
[02:05] <dyn> Sirius_Black: open a console. type: alias xterm="xterm -bg black -fg white"; xterm
[02:05] <justdave> dyn: Mac On Linux
[02:05] <joem> no problem
[02:05] <dyn> justdave: woot :) the aqua stuff? or something like darwin?
[02:05] <joem> alias's aren't what you want here
[02:05] <justdave> dyn: Aqua and the works.  Runs OS X in a window (or full-screen on a virtual console)
[02:05] <dyn> justdave: and dog slow i guess, aint it?
[02:06] <justdave> dyn: nope.
[02:06] <dyn> justdave: hmmn
[02:06] <dyn> gotta see that
[02:06] <Sirius_Black> dyn: tnx mate it worked
[02:06] <justdave> dyn: only works on powerpc, it's not an emulator, just a virtual machine kind of thing
[02:06] <Sirius_Black> dyn can you tell which has changed after i did that please
[02:06] <Sirius_Black> dyn can you tell which file has changed after i did that please
[02:07] <dyn> Sirius_Black: now if you place that alias setup (without the end xterm ofc :) in your ~/.bashrc, every time you exec xterm, it will get aliased
[02:07] <dyn> no file changed. that's a temporary setting for your current shell at the moment
[02:07] <dyn> justdave: ahh i see.. i'm on x86 :)
[02:07] <joem> dyn, .Xdefaults are where you store term settings such as colors and all
[02:08] <joem> shouldn't use an alais for that
[02:08] <dyn> joem: why not? it's a more general solution for the problem
[02:08] <Sirius_Black> dyn: do u mean anywhere in ~/.bashrc, or else
[02:08] <joem> dyn, it is more limiting
[02:09] <dyn> Sirius_Black: yea right in your home. or just listen to joem, i agree his approach is a smarter but less known way to solve that issue for X-specific apps
[02:09] <dyn> joem: i'd rather say it's more general..
[02:09] <Sirius_Black> joem: i dont seam to have .Xdefaults.  can yo point me to one please
[02:09] <joem> Sirius_Black, sure
[02:09] <danielcooking> sirius blacks rocks
[02:09] <danielcooking> sirius black rocks, well... rocked :-)
[02:09] <jacob> Am I the only one who thinks the font is a little small in the gdm login-name entry ?
[02:10] <joem> Sirius_Black, http://www.strath.ac.uk/CC/Courses/oldXC/subsection3_9_4.html
[02:10] <Sirius_Black> dyn tnx but I meant can i put **alias xterm="xterm -bg black -fg white -geometry 100x40"** anywhere in ~/.bashrc or does it have to be for exampel between line X and line Y, if you see what i mean :-)
[02:10] <Sirius_Black> joem: tnx
[02:11] <Treenaks> Sirius_Black: you don't want that, you want to add foreground/background/geometry stuff to .Xresources
[02:11] <Tzigane> Hello =)
[02:12] <Sirius_Black> Treenaks: i do not seam to have .Xresources mate
[02:12] <Tzigane> I'm having a few issues with an errant pc speaker.. it keeps beeping at me, when I do things like type a nonmatching search in the web browser, or try to go back a page from page 1 in xpdf...
[02:13] <Tzigane> Which is a really, really bad thing when sitting in quiet lecture theatres
[02:13] <Treenaks> Sirius_Black: you can create one..
[02:13] <Tzigane> Is there any way I can disable the pc speaker?
[02:13] <Treenaks> Tzigane: xset b off ?
[02:13] <sanitario> Tzigane: modprobe -r pcspkr and add pcspkr to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:13] <Tzigane> Ah, thankyou sanitario =)
[02:13] <Tzigane> And Treenaks
[02:14] <Tzigane> Excellent, xset worked nicely
[02:14] <Tzigane> Any way to keep that setting?
[02:14] <Treenaks> Tzigane: the xset one? I don't know of an easy way
[02:15] <Tzigane> Okay =) Might go with blacklisting the module
[02:15] <giard> does ubuntu have any form of suspend for laptops?
[02:15] <giard> even if it's not default?
[02:16] <Tzigane> You can always try echo <num> > /proc/acpi/sleep
[02:16] <Tzigane> Like... echo 1 ...
[02:24] <lkerscher> verwende hier ubuntu und kann keine kdelibs und kein K3b installieren, kann das an der /etc/apt/source.lst liegen? Was soll ich da einfgen?
[02:24] <lkerscher> kann mir da vielleicht jmd. helfen?
[02:24] <Treenaks> lkerscher: You should look in /etc/apt/sources.list, and read the comments
[02:24] <Treenaks> lkerscher: they tell you how to add 'universe'
[02:25] <Treenaks> lkerscher: then do 'apt-get update' and you can install it
[02:26] <lkerscher> ok thank you I'll look if I can do this because I am using Linux since yesterday
[02:26] <Treenaks> lkerscher: you can type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <lkerscher> oh I#ve done it with vim
[02:27] <Treenaks> works too
[02:27] <jordi> there's a friendly sources.list editor in synaptic
[02:27] <lkerscher> this is in the sources.list
[02:27] <lkerscher> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041013)] / unstable main restricted
[02:27] <lkerscher> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:27] <lkerscher> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## repository.
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[02:27] <lkerscher> ## team.
[02:28] <lkerscher> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[02:28] <lkerscher> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[02:28] <lkerscher> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[02:28] <lkerscher> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[02:28] <lkerscher> ~
[02:28] <lkerscher> but I don't know what to do now
[02:29] <Kamion> lkerscher: remove the "# " before the two lines ending "warty universe"
[02:29] <Treenaks> lkerscher: you shuold remove the "#" before the "universe" lines
[02:30] <lkerscher> okay thanks 
[02:33] <sikkh> upgrading
[02:34] <antonio_> vaya kk
[02:35] <elbi_> i thought warty was the first release?
[02:35] <derJunior> hi, ist gaim-encryption availabl
[02:35] <bob2> elbi_: it is
[02:36] <elbi_> bob2: why the "out today" in topic then?
[02:36] <bob2> elbi_: it will be released today
[02:36] <elbi_> bob2: warty != warty warthog?
[02:36] <joem> no
[02:36] <elbi_> oh
[02:36] <bob2> elbi_: they're the same thing
[02:37] <elbi_> why rerelease then?
[02:37] <elbi_> i'm confused
[02:37] <bob2> it hasn't been released yet
[02:37] <joem> warty has its official release today
[02:37] <bob2> so far thewre were previews and betas and release candidates
[02:37] <elbi_> oh :)
[02:39] <sikkh> what about warty-security and -updates
[02:39] <sikkh> ?
[02:39] <bob2> what about them?
[02:40] <bob2> it will get security updates as needed.
[02:40] <sikkh> ah thx
[02:40] <sikkh> so add to apt sources
[02:40] <derJunior> has someone gaim-encryption running?
[02:41] <sikkh> where can I read about what's in universe, multiverse and stuff?
[02:42] <sikkh> and how it relates to main
[02:42] <__daniel> sikkh, synaptic has a "sections" view
[02:42] <sikkh> never tried synaptic, just dpkg and aptitude
[02:42] <sikkh> will try that
[02:42] <elbi_> is warty-updates new at security.ubuntu.com?
[02:43] <elbi_> it wasn't added by the warty rc installation
[02:43] <LinuxJones> sikkh, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[02:43] <deFrysk> justdave, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:44] <deFrysk> sorry wrong post
[02:45] <sikkh> should I add to apt sources security.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ ?
[02:45] <sikkh> for security updates?
[02:46] <bob2> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[02:46] <bob2> but it's there by default...
[02:46] <bob2> win37
[02:46] <elbi_> what about warty-updates, bob2
[02:46] <deFrysk> I added this line : deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[02:46] <deFrysk> it works fine but has no updates unfortunately
[02:46] <JanneM> where can I find the kernel config file used for the kernel builds?
[02:47] <Ng> zcat /proc/config.gz
[02:47] <Ng> ;)
[02:47] <bob2> JanneM: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[02:47] <JanneM> ah, ok
[02:47] <sikkh> bob2 no it's not I'm dist-upgrading from debian testing ;)
[02:47] <JanneM> hm, I did a search, but didn't find that
[02:47] <JanneM> I'll look there
[02:47] <deFrysk> sorry I ment this line : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe
[02:47] <LinuxJones> JanneM, in /boot
[02:48] <JanneM> I'll look
[02:48] <deFrysk> geez I need coffee
[02:49] <elbi_> bob2: let me ask again, warty-updates at security.ubuntu.com, what is this for?
[02:50] <bob2> elbi_: no idea.
[02:50] <spiv> elbi_: It's for security updates to warty after warty is released.
[02:51] <spiv> elbi_: If it turns out that e.g. firefox has a security hole after warty is released, it'll get patched and an update with the fix will be there.
[02:51] <deFrysk> does warty have xorg included ?
[02:51] <Keybuk> no, but hoary will
[02:51] <deFrysk> darn
[02:51] <giard> is there a way to install xorg now for those who want it?
[02:52] <elbi_> spiv: oh, and warty-security is for?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> giard, you can compile it from source 
[02:52] <justdave> hmm, the linux-restricted-modules for powerpc won't install.
[02:52] <elbi_> spiv: i can't really figure out the difference
[02:52] <spiv> elbi_: Oh,  sorry that's what warty-security is for :)
[02:52] <spiv> elbi_
[02:52] <justdave> all the virtual packages are there, but the actual version-specific one isn't.
[02:53] <elbi_> spiv: :) you don't know about the other one?
[02:53] <deFrysk> will there also will be a hoary iso (for testing)  available soon ?
[02:53] <sikkh> I'd appreciate if someone /msg me their apt sources, since I'm not sure I got it right (upgraded from debian testing)
[02:53] <sikkh> TIA
[02:56] <spiv> elbi_: warty-updates is for non-security updates after release, I expect.
[02:56] <bipolar> Is there a simple way to set my laptop up to use apm instead of acpi with ubuntu?
[02:56] <elbi_> spiv: maybe :)
[02:56] <bob2> bipolar: load the apm module.
[02:56] <bob2> elbi_: just ask on the ubuntu-users list.
[02:56] <spiv> elbi_: e.g. safe fixes to major bugs that the distro team have time to fix... I expect most of the work will be on hoary, though.
[02:57] <Treenaks> bob2: don't forget to suplpy acpi=off on the kernel ocmmand line..
[02:57] <Treenaks> bipolar: also, why would you want APM if your machine supports ACPI?
[02:57] <elbi_> bob2: yes, but if one of you knew
[02:57] <bob2> ah, yes, good point
[02:57] <bob2> Treenaks: apm works better with some machines
[02:57] <bob2> like the t41, iirc
[02:58] <Treenaks> bob2: only old ones I hope?
[02:59] <deFrysk> so how many minutes left for the servers to get overloaded ?
[02:59] <Treenaks> deFrysk: ~ 3 hours, maybe? :)
[02:59] <deFrysk> ooh :)
[03:00] <Kamion> deFrysk: it'll take a little while to get warty and sid merged to produce hoary
[03:01] <Kamion> deFrysk: I expect we'll be able to have extremely raw hoary ISOs available in maybe a couple of weeks
[03:01] <deFrysk> Kamion, great
[03:01] <Treenaks> Kamion: I think he means "when will so many people try to download the ISOs that the site goes down in flames"
[03:01] <TheMuso> Getting Warty won't be a problem for those of us who already have Warty preview installed, so we won't overload the servers too much is we have been keeping up to date.
[03:02] <bob2> there's been a lot of churn since the preview
[03:02] <Dekkard> know of any fixes for cdrom cdtection for gcombust or eroaster?
[03:02] <TheMuso> bob2: But if one keeps up to date, there surely won't be much in the way of updated packages?
[03:02] <deFrysk> too bad we have to wait for xorg a bit longer :(
[03:02] <Dekkard> its giving me fits
[03:02] <bob2> TheMuso: oh, right
[03:02] <Treenaks> deFrysk: why? with all the driver backports X4.3 is almost the same..
[03:02] <Treenaks> deFrysk: except for the new extensions, which are highly experimental anyway
[03:03] <Ng> experimental, but pretty and shiny ;)
[03:03] <Ng> people like shiny ;)
[03:03] <deFrysk> Treenaks, the eurosupport in ubuntu is poor now
[03:03] <deFrysk> I mis the us_int setting 
[03:03] <Ng> personally I am more interested in the inherant goodness of double buffering, I couldn't care less about "true" transparency ;)
[03:03] <Treenaks> deFrysk: just switch to UTF-8, that has nothing to do with X
[03:03] <deFrysk> but where can I get us international ?
[03:04] <elbi_> deFrysk: works just fine here
[03:04] <deFrysk> not on mine
[03:04] <Treenaks> deFrysk: it's called us_intl
[03:04] <Ng> probably a silly question, but does ubuntu have pretty good dialup support/configuration?
[03:04] <bob2> some people don't use utf-8? ;-)
[03:04] <bob2> Ng: pppconfig like debian
[03:04] <bob2> or the gnome one
[03:04] <Ng> a friend just asked me and it's been so long since I used a modem that I have no idea ;)
[03:04] <Ng> bob2: cool
[03:04] <deFrysk> utf8 rulez
[03:05] <elbi_> alt gr+e = ?
[03:05] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I' ll try it
[03:05] <Dekkard> after running slack for 2 yrs.. i feel like a complete n00b
[03:06] <uman> good
[03:06] <Dekkard> hehe
[03:06] <Treenaks> deFrysk: I don't really like us_intl, because of the dead keys
[03:08] <deFrysk> Treenaks,  works now thank you :)
[03:09] <Treenaks> deFrysk: I use compose C = for that :) 
[03:09] <deFrysk> I S
[03:09] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:09] <Treenaks> deFrysk: 
[03:09] <Treenaks> try that one ;)
[03:10] <darkersatanic> Treenaks: What's The Problem?
[03:11] <deFrysk> no clue ho to do that hehe
[03:11] <deFrysk> 
[03:11] <darkersatanic> deFrysk: AltGr-*
[03:11] <darkersatanic> (Or AltGr-Shift-8, however you want to look at it)
[03:11] <JanneM> 
[03:12] <darkersatanic> JanneM: I'm missing about half those in this font. :(
[03:12] <deFrysk> ?
[03:12] <psi> JanneM wins :)
[03:12] <deFrysk> gr ?
[03:12] <JanneM> heh
[03:12] <JanneM> darkersatanic: you on ubuntu?
[03:12] <darkersatanic> deFrysk: RightAlt.
[03:12] <darkersatanic> JanneM: Not on this machine. This is Debian. The Ubuntu machine is at home.
[03:12] <JanneM> ok
[03:12] <deFrysk> darkersatanic, no go :s
[03:13] <JanneM> I think uuntu have the needed fonts by default
[03:13] <darkersatanic> JanneM: I'll try it when I get home this evening. :)
[03:13] <psi> they show up fine here
[03:13] <JanneM> not sure if you need to run UTF-8, though
[03:13] <darkersatanic> I do anyway. That's not a problem.
[03:14] <Kamion> anyone here running an Ubuntu cdimage mirror?
[03:14] <deFrysk>  
[03:14] <JanneM> can't see that one
[03:14] <deFrysk> neither can I hehe
[03:14] <deFrysk> wondered if someone could
[03:14] <JanneM> u0006 - some low ascii control 
[03:14] <JanneM> not a printable char
[03:15] <darkersatanic> ACK, according to www.asciitable.com
[03:17] <Scognito> hi all
[03:19] <Dekkard> whip??
[03:19] <mirak_-> warty?
[03:19] <TheMuso> Not yet.
[03:19] <mirak_-> they set a time?
[03:20] <tck> eta 40 mins ..maybe
[03:20] <TheMuso> 15:00 UTC from what I heard.
[03:20] <mirak_-> or just "hoping" to get everything done?
[03:20] <deFrysk> so that will be 4pm my time :)
[03:20] <tck> they jsut added http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-rc-live-i386.iso 
[03:20] <tck> so its prob. up but under a link somewhere :)
[03:20] <mirak_-> 15;00 UTC = ? EASTERN
[03:20] <bob2> chill everyone.
[03:20] <bob2> it's out when it's out.
[03:21] <TheMuso> True.
[03:21] <bob2> nothing much is going to change, the distro team don't need more stress :)
[03:21] <Treenaks> mirak_-: try running " TZ=UTC date " from a shell
[03:21] <spiv> I'm sure it'll be announced on ubuntu-annouce  when it's available :)
[03:21] <mirak_-> bob2, I was hoping it comes out soon....i wont be able to udgrade for 8 hours.....i want the server to die down some
[03:21] <Treenaks> bob2: but.. but.. I want to know when the release is so I can prepare the champagne!
[03:21] <mirak_-> treenaks, windows box :(
[03:21] <Scognito> is there a way to download automatically an image for a directory containing an album of a single artist?
[03:21] <bob2> mirak_-: nothing much will change from now to then
[03:21] <Treenaks> mirak_-: google for a world clock..
[03:21] <Scognito> from nautilus i mean
[03:22] <Kamion> georgia: you can
[03:22] <georgia> i'l just do that later then :)
[03:22] <bob2> georgia: this is (based on)-Debian, of course you can dist-upgrade :)
[03:22] <deFrysk> will there be a .torrent around for ubuntu ?
[03:22] <bob2> Treenaks: hah, well that's a good reason :)
[03:22] <bob2> deFrysk: yes.
[03:22] <mirak_-> georgia, or synaptic upgrade
[03:22] <deFrysk> bob2, cool
[03:22] <bob2> deFrysk: there are torrents for the prereleases, alredy.
[03:22] <georgia> i'm likley to be out, and i can ssh into my box later and by the time i get home it will be done :)
[03:23] <deFrysk> bob2, never checked to be honest , but its good to know :)
[03:23] <georgia> deFrysk: are you running one of the pre releases?
[03:23] <deFrysk> georgia, /me runs the dayly of 2 days ago
[03:24] <deFrysk> so of the 18th
[03:24] <georgia> so wy bother downloading the iso again, why nto just upgrade the one you're running?
[03:24] <deFrysk> georgia, I will upgrade, but also get me an iso
[03:24] <georgia> fairy nuff
[03:24] <Treenaks> I need the "new" ISO so I can upgrade a friends PC.. she doesn't have a 'net connection
[03:24] <deFrysk> but use torrent to get it , for there is no hurry
[03:25] <tom_cat> when ?
[03:25] <tom_cat> i am eager
[03:25] <georgia> tom_cat: be patient, it will be out when it's out, and not a minute before
[03:26] <TheMuso> Quoting bob2: It's out when it's out.
[03:26] <Treenaks> "RSN"
[03:26] <Kamion> tom_cat: few hours
[03:26] <tom_cat> georgia: you mean that it is out today ?
[03:27] <Kamion> tom_cat: it will be out in a few hours.
[03:27] <georgia> tom_cat: yeah, its in the topic for the channel, give it a few hours
[03:27] <Kamion> if you upgrade, you don't need the new iso; there'll be no further package changes before release
[03:27] <Kamion> unless something disastrous happens
[03:27] <tom_cat> Kamion: I hope that
[03:27] <deFrysk> will the .torrentlink be published at the same time ?
[03:28] <tom_cat> Oh, I need Gaim 1.0.1 for Ubuntu
[03:28] <georgia> Kamion: so the dist upgrade i did about 12 hours ago is pretty much the final release, give or take a few small changes?
[03:28] <Treenaks> tom_cat: 
[03:28] <JanneM> yep
[03:28] <Treenaks> tom_cat: "need" ?
[03:28] <tom_cat> Treenaks:  yeah, I really need
[03:29] <Treenaks> tom_cat: what's wrong with 1.0.0 ?
[03:29] <deFrysk> no more pictures
[03:29] <Treenaks> deFrysk: you can now choose them.. they seem to have been un-defaulted
[03:29] <Kamion> georgia: give or take
[03:29] <Kamion> deFrysk: yes
[03:29] <deFrysk> Treenaks, wise decision
[03:29] <tom_cat> Treenaks: Gaim 1.0 may cause Evolution crash
[03:30] <Treenaks> deFrysk: wise, but I still think people should stop over-reacting
[03:30] <tom_cat> Treenaks:  you should read Gaim site
[03:30] <deFrysk> Treenaks, agree 
[03:30] <tom_cat> oh well, take your time
[03:31] <Treenaks> tom_cat: then you'll want 1.0.2
[03:31] <tom_cat> Treenaks: yeah ;-) by apt-get upgrade
[03:31] <tom_cat> sometime in fur
[03:32] <tom_cat> I do `apt-get upgrade' daily :-)
[03:35] <deFrysk> geez never noticed the .torrents on the downloadmirrors
[03:35] <tom_cat> Treenaks:  should I do `apt-get upgrade' or `apt-get dist-upgrade' when official is out ?
[03:35] <deFrysk> blind me
[03:35] <Treenaks> tom_cat: your choice
[03:35] <tom_cat> okie, thanks
[03:38] <Scognito> how can i enable music view on nautilus?
[03:39] <Scognito> ok solved
[03:40] <Treenaks> Scognito: how?
[03:40] <Scognito> installing nautils-media
[03:40] <Scognito> btw what i need is to have a directory with the image of the album
[03:40] <Treenaks> of course :)
[03:40] <Scognito> like windows does
[03:40] <agenteo> how can I add new fonts in ubuntu?
[03:41] <ukasz> agenteo, make a directory .fonts
[03:41] <ukasz> and put true type fonts there
[03:42] <spiv> agenteo: Go to fonts:/// in nautilus.
[03:42] <spiv> agenteo: Just drag and drop noew fonts into that folder.
[03:42] <lupus_> can someone give me the vmware on ubuntu guide :)
[03:45] <giard> is monodevelop available for ubuntu?
[03:46] <Treenaks> yes
[03:47] <giard> I tried "apt-get install monodevelop" but it didn't find it
[03:47] <Meridian> re all
[03:47] <bob2> giard: it's not built on ppc at least
[03:48] <giard> I'm on 686 here
[03:48] <Meridian> i like to install my scanner in ubuntu, where i found man to the scanner install ?
[03:49] <Treenaks> Meridian: USB scanner? just plug it in and start the scanner app, I guess?
[03:49] <Meridian> Treenaks: what is the name of the scanner apps ?
[03:49] <Treenaks> Meridian: it's in the menu
[03:49] <Treenaks> Meridian: under graphicsw
[03:49] <Meridian> my scanner is a Canonscan 500f
[03:49] <Treenaks> s/w/
[03:49] <Meridian> seraching
[03:50] <agenteo> spiv: :-\ I've copied the ttf I need, I've copies them in a dir then I've dragged them from nautilus to the fonts:/// window
[03:50] <agenteo> spiv: but they are not copied
[03:50] <kent> giard, add this to your sourcec.list by hand or with synaptic: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[03:50] <agenteo> is there a text way to add them?
[03:50] <spiv> agenteo: cp foo.ttf ~/.fonts, iirc.
[03:51] <della> hi guys
[03:51] <kent> giard, monodevelop can be found there.
[03:51] <giard> kent: thanks
[03:51] <della> I installed ubuntu upgrading from sarge
[03:51] <Treenaks> kent: monodevelop is in universe now, I guess (at least, it's in the pool)
[03:51] <della> all is fine and well, but the trash icon disappeared from my desktop :-)
[03:51] <agenteo> spiv: what if I need thoose fonts for all the users?
[03:51] <veles> hello world !
[03:52] <tom_cat> hehe, so pls uncomment the "universe" section in /etc/apt/source.lists
[03:53] <spiv> agenteo: I don't know, sorry :/
[03:53] <spiv> agenteo: You probably need to put them in a path that X can find them.
[03:53] <spiv> agenteo: See the font path stuff in XF86Config-4
[03:53] <bob2> it's a fontconfig thing
[03:53] <bob2>  /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[03:54] <spiv> bob2: Ah.
[03:54] <bob2> well, for most apps
[03:54] <bob2> old-skool stuff uses the X config
[03:55] <giard> kent: it's been a little while, I'm not sure how to do this.  When I add that as a source I get an error when I apt-get upgrade
[03:56] <agenteo> bob2: I remember something about fontconfig, but man fontconfig gives nothing
[03:56] <bob2> yes, edit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[03:56] <agenteo> bob2: and the fonts.conf is not clear to me
[03:57] <bob2> it's very clear
[03:57] <bob2> add a new <dir> entry
[03:57] <agenteo> bob2: :-) that's all?
[03:57] <bob2> yes.
[03:57] <kent> giard, according to Treenaks you can find monodevelop in universe, so just uncomment universe in sources.list (or in synaptic) and it should work.
[03:58] <giard> I've done that
[03:58] <JanneM> is mono in universe now, then?
[03:58] <giard> no luck
[03:58] <ukasz> bob2, dont you need to run fc-cache to?
[03:58] <bob2> JanneM: most of it.
[03:58] <giard> mono is, but monodevelop isn't
[03:58] <agenteo> bob2: cool, I remember it was easy but while I was reading that xml... 8\
[03:58] <bob2> ukasz: I don't know.
[03:58] <agenteo> bob2: I will add my fonts dir
[03:58] <agenteo> bob2: thanks
[03:58] <tom_cat> ukasz: there is no need
[03:58] <ukasz> kk, thx
[04:02] <pikota> is stable out ?
[04:02] <bob2> pikota: /topic
[04:02] <georgia> not yet, later today
[04:02] <georgia> lo neuro|laptop
[04:03] <pikota> ahhh
[04:03] <pikota> web date was 20 october
[04:03] <Treenaks> bob2: only 22 hours of today left (GMT +12 :)
[04:03] <bob2> Treenaks: hehehe
[04:03] <pikota> ahh i'm spanish
[04:03] <Treenaks> why don't I believe that?
[04:03] <pikota> what's time is there ?
[04:03] <tom_cat> Treenaks: haha
[04:04] <Treenaks> because it isn't correct..
[04:04] <Treenaks> hmm
[04:04] <Treenaks> hmmm..
[04:04] <Treenaks> anyway.. today is running out :)
[04:04] <tom_cat> :-)
[04:04] <UBMike> hmm hmmmm.
[04:05] <plasmo> 21/10 here :)
[04:06] <Treenaks> plasmo: 8 hours left here.. 
[04:06] <giard> sigh
[04:07] <giard> monodevelop works until it starts trying to do syntax highlighting, then it maxes out the processor
[04:07] <UBMike> I get a fatal hw_random module error on boot. where do I turn that puppy off?
[04:07] <plasmo> well im from australia ;)
[04:07] <Treenaks> UBMike: _fatal_ one?
[04:08] <Treenaks> UBMike: like, the boot doesn't go on and the machine stops?
[04:08] <UBMike> Treenaks, yup, but it aint in dmesg...
[04:08] <giard> oh, I get it, I think it's trying to parse a bunch of assemblies
[04:08] <iz>  error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1 any 1 know what to do?
[04:08] <tuxakka> my mouse collapse problem solved when I installed kde to ubuntu from universe, now with the same x-settings and kernel mouse works fine, just wonder what in gnome caused this collapse, it worked fine for a start then cursor moved in side of the monitor
[04:08] <UBMike> Treenaks, boot is ok, just an on screen error
[04:08] <giard> why doesn't it just do that first time through
[04:08] <Treenaks> UBMike: then ignore it.. it just checks if the RNG is there
[04:09] <UBMike> Treenaks, dmesg says hw_random: RNG not detected
[04:09] <UBMike> Treenaks, but it _looks_ messy :)
[04:09] <littlepaul1> what does synaptic apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade?
[04:10] <mvo_> littlepaul1: can do both
[04:10] <ploum> How can I automatically reconfigure X ?
[04:10] <ploum> I've deleted the /etc/X11/XFconfig file by error
[04:10] <mirak_-> littlepaul, dist-upgrade = synaptic smart upgrade
[04:10] <littlepaul1> Thx
[04:10] <mirak_-> np
[04:10] <mvo_> ploum: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should work
[04:11] <mirak_-> but I have a question.......which would be better to do...today
[04:11] <mirak_-> apt-get upgrade...or dist-upgrade?
[04:12] <littlepaul1> i think just apt-get upgrade
[04:12] <ploum> mvo_, no, it's not enough.. :-(
[04:12] <UBMike> mirak_-, no diff on my system today
[04:12] <mirak_-> ubmike, final is coming in a bit
[04:12] <ploum> no screen found
[04:12] <deFrysk> dist-upgrade is handy a normal upgrade does not cover it all
[04:12] <UBMike> mirak_-, 14 packages
[04:13] <deFrysk> + when
[04:13] <mirak_-> defrysk, so a dist-upgrade
[04:13] <mvo_> ploum: what message do you get? does "apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86" help?
[04:13] <deFrysk> dist-upgrade in development repo's is not smart , for it might remove half the packages to resoflve the deps
[04:13] <ploum> no screen found
[04:13] <UBMike> mirak_-, oh. well I won't do either for a bit then...
[04:14] <ploum> I think it doesn't have the resolutions
[04:14] <Treenaks> plasmo: 
[04:14] <Treenaks> uhh.. ploum
[04:14] <mirak_-> defrysk, but final is released in a bit....that is what I am asking..for the final 
[04:14] <mirak_-> upgrade from pre-view to final
[04:15] <deFrysk> mirak_ , if upgrade does not cover all the deps you can always do a dist-upgrade after
[04:15] <mirak_-> defrysk.......kk
[04:15] <deFrysk> consider the dist-upgrade option as adding/removing packages to resolve the deps , a normal update does not remove packages
[04:16] <deFrysk> so might not reslolve all the deps
[04:16] <deFrysk> geez stupid spelling
[04:18] <UBMike> well, /me is off to bed...
[04:18] <UBMike> bbl.
[04:20] <mirak_-> off to bed.....its 10:20am
[04:21] <jono> lugradio season 2 episode 1 is released!!
[04:21] <jono> :)
[04:21] <Ng> jono: what's lugradio?
[04:22] <georgia> ooh!
[04:22] <jono> Ng, its a pretty sarcastic and comedic linux radio show
[04:22] <jono> I am part of the lugradio team
[04:22] <jono> www.lugradio.org
[04:22] <jono> its not dry technical conversation but piss taking and jibes at each other - its fun :)
[04:22] <darkersatanic> jono: I still haven't forgiven you for that interview you sprung on me earlier this year, you bastard. ;)
[04:23] <jono> darkersatanic, who are you?
[04:23] <darkersatanic> Hugo Mills. :)
[04:23] <Ng> jono: ahh
[04:23] <jono> ahhh heya Hugo :)
[04:23] <Ng> jono: I'll take a listen :)
[04:23] <jono> Ng, cool :)
[04:23] <Ng> jono: I thought it might be a lug thing ;)
[04:23] <jono> darkersatanic, still look like Linus? :P
[04:23] <jono> Ng, no, quite the opposite
[04:24] <darkersatanic> :P not to mention :
[04:24] <jono> :)
[04:25] <jono> we pimp ubuntu in the next episode :)
[04:27] <ploum> I have two cursor on my desktop !
[04:27] <bob2> does one not move?
[04:27] <ploum> A black cross (unix style) and the normal one :-(
[04:28] <Treenaks> ploum: do you have a card with a Savage chipset?
[04:28] <ploum> How can I removeyes :-)
[04:28] <bob2> ploum: is theere one in the middle that does not move?
[04:28] <ploum> yes
[04:28] <Treenaks> ploum: (adding Option "SWCursor" "true" to the "Device" section might help)
[04:28] <bob2> daniels: ^ swcursor
[04:29] <daniels> seems to be a sensible savage default
[04:29] <daniels> fabbione: should we make SWCursor the default on Savage?
[04:29] <daniels> the amount of Savage cursor reports I've seen is totally disproportionate to the number of Savage users ;)
[04:30] <bob2> is that a driver or card bug?
[04:31] <ploum> it doesnt work
[04:31] <fabbione> daniels: there are is a huge update of the savage driver between Xfree86 and X.org
[04:31] <fabbione> i would say to wait and see
[04:31] <fabbione> that's one of the thing i was checking this morning
[04:31] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, but remember we already patch in a crapload of the savage updates ourselves
[04:32] <daniels> twini used to distribute it from his site -- he might still do so, though I doubt it
[04:32] <fabbione> daniels: not at all
[04:32] <daniels> so I backported it and applied to XFree86 ... this was probably a couple of months before 6.7
[04:32] <daniels> oh wow, he's still been working? awesome
[04:32] <fabbione> we have a backport of the 1.2.7t driver
[04:32] <fabbione> but that's only for Xfree86
[04:32] <fabbione> for X.org the driver is much more complete
[04:32] <fabbione> even if tagged version 1.2.6
[04:32] <fabbione> erhm
[04:33] <fabbione> 1.2.7
[04:33] <fabbione> it has dri and all sort of extra crap
[04:34] <daniels> awesome
[04:34] <daniels> bdale: dude! yo.
[04:34] <bdale> daniels: dude
[04:35] <fabbione> hey bdale
[04:37] <bdale> fabbione: howdy
[04:37] <mjg59> daniels: I've got the craptop ready and waiting for VIA driver updates...
[04:38] <fabbione> mjg59: if you want you can try the unichrome stuff
[04:38] <fabbione> they have a patch for debian 
[04:38] <fabbione> but last we tested it was pure crack
[04:39] <daniels> mjg59: at the moment, as fabbione alluded to, you get to pick which half of the deployed Via userbase you want to screw
[04:39] <daniels> mjg59: yay!
[04:40] <mjg59> Haha
[04:40] <mjg59> So the newer code breaks older stuff?
[04:40] <Treenaks> the new driver is nice on my EPIA, but it looks like the TV-Out part assumes that my TV is twice as wide as it is or something
[04:40] <Treenaks> while it's "almost perfect" on the old driver
[04:41] <fabbione> mjg59: seems so
[04:41] <Treenaks> however, XvMC is nice..
[04:42] <daniels> mjg59: yeah, I think it totally screwed DFP users also
[04:42] <Treenaks> daniels: dfp?
[04:43] <tseng> arrr, mxpxpod
[04:43] <daniels> Treenaks: digital flat panel
[04:43] <fabbione> mjg59: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/unichrome/999_debian-xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1-7-unichrome_X_r26.diff.gz?download
[04:43] <mxpxpod> tseng: whassamatter?
[04:43] <Treenaks> daniels: ah.. afaik they're working on that.
[04:43] <tseng> mxpxpod: zao > *
[04:43] <Treenaks> daniels: (I read the unichrome ml)
[04:43] <daniels> Treenaks: yeah
[04:43] <mxpxpod> tseng: hehe
[04:43] <mxpxpod> tseng: you listen to them?
[04:43] <Dekkard> can alien turn a ..lets say fedora .rpm into an ubuntu .deb?
[04:43] <daniels> Treenaks: well, they're going to work out of the xorg tree now
[04:44] <tseng> mxpxpod: of course.
[04:44] <daniels> so hopefully all the projects can get together and give us a via driver that isn't complete bong.
[04:44] <mxpxpod> tseng: good call :)
[04:44] <mjg59> So, how many days post-release does it take until we get Xorg pacakges? :)
[04:44] <tseng> mjg59: it will be in hoary
[04:44] <fabbione> mjg59: i am working on patch forward-port atm
[04:45] <fabbione> mjg59: i would say end of november for something that can actually be installed and work
[04:45] <fabbione> mjg59: not sure about upgrading from Xfree86 tho..
[04:45] <mxpxpod> tseng: now, I need to figure out how to set up sshd on os x
[04:45] <fabbione> that is going to be hard
[04:46] <daniels> fabbione: not too bad
[04:46] <mxpxpod> tseng: nevermind, I got it :)
[04:46] <daniels> fabbione: the hardest thing will be managing the /usr/X11R6->/usr transition
[04:46] <fabbione> daniels: that's the one i am thinking about :-))
[04:46] <daniels> fabbione: luckily almost all the packages that use /usr/X11R6 (with the exception of some ghostscript fonts) are ours (xfree86, xrender, etc)
[04:46] <fabbione> daniels: if they are not we will kill the maintianer
[04:46] <fabbione> daniels: simply because of policy
[04:47] <bob2> haha
[04:48] <rjek> Where's the repository with mplayer in?
[04:49] <mjg59> rjek: Isn't it in universe?
[04:49] <Kamion> rjek: multiverse
[04:49] <Kamion> (a.k.a. unsupported/non-free)
[04:49] <rjek> Right.
[04:50] <WW_> Is there a command to find out all the packages that I have installed from a certain repository? (In this case, Marillat's)
[04:50] <bob2> apt-show-versions can do that.
[04:53] <apoka> hola 
[04:54] <apoka> alguien sabe algun repositorio para descargar mplayer
[04:55] <jordi> apoka: search for "debian marillat" in google
[04:55] <WW_> bob2: Thanks. (Delayed reponse because I had to clean up spilled tea.)
[04:55] <apoka> ok
[04:55] <WW_> Didn't someone just say mplayer is in multiverse?
[04:55] <Kamion> WW_: believe so ...
[04:55] <jordi> lol, yes
[04:55] <jordi> 16:49 < rjek> Where's the repository with mplayer in?
[04:55] <jordi> 16:49 < mjg59> rjek: Isn't it in universe?
[04:56] <jordi> was scrolled up
[04:56] <rjek> Hmm, OK.  mplayer crashes.
[04:56] <apoka> but it is worth the one of debian?
[04:56] <rjek> "Illegal instruction" just having read the config file.
[04:57] <dewey> ok I am having trouble getting my cd burner to work in ubuntu?
[04:57] <apoka> I use repositorios to universe
[04:58] <bob2> rjek: which package did you instll?
[04:58] <apoka> in order to mplayer use repositorios but it seems that they do not estan well
[04:59] <dewey> hmmm I have mplayer from source installed and it works fine for me.
[04:59] <Scognito> where i can get muine?
[04:59] <WW_> apoka: Hay un repositorio se llaman "multiverse" (sorry for the high school spanish)
[04:59] <apoka> I want to install mplayer without compiling I want it to do with apt
[05:00] <rjek> bob2: The one in multiverse.
[05:00] <apoka> No hay espaoles por aqui xD
[05:00] <bob2> rjek: no, which *exact* package?
[05:00] <rjek> Which would appear to be mplayer-custom.
[05:00] <rjek> Given there's no "mplayer" package AFAICS.
[05:00] <entr0py> apoka, #ubuntu-es 
[05:00] <entr0py> ;)
[05:00] <apoka> xD
[05:00] <SepheeBear> get mplayer from marillat's testing repo
[05:00] <JanneM> marillat's repo has it
[05:01] <rjek> Where is this repo?  I asked that a few minutes ago, and people pointed me at multiverse.
[05:01] <apoka> thank entr0py
[05:01] <vincent> Scognito: try to search mono apps on the wiki
[05:01] <SepheeBear> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[05:01] <Scognito> ok vincent tnx
[05:02] <JanneM> rjek: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats?action=highlight&value=marillat
[05:02] <JanneM> rjek: that page has instructions for a bunch of stuff like mplayer
[05:02] <rjek> Ta.
[05:02] <Ng> is there any difference between the marillat mplayer and the multiverse mplayer?
[05:03] <WW_> I started using Marillat's repo before multiverse was availble (or before I knew about it). Now I'm trying to find out what I can get from multiverse instead of Marillat.
[05:03] <WW_> For example, is libdvdcss (or libdvdcss2) in multiverse?
[05:04] <WW_> Wait, don't hit me, I can check that myself :-)
[05:04] <rjek> i JUST FOUND THAT THE ONE IN THE MULTIVERSE DIDN'T WORK :)
[05:05] <Treenaks> rjek: please, don't shout
[05:05] <rjek> Buggering capslock.
[05:05] <rjek> This keyboard has no capslock LED.  Apologies.
[05:05] <dewey> ok I just set-up k3b as per how-to-for-ubuntu and it does not see my burner and same for xcdroast?
[05:08] <mrjive> hi *
[05:08] <WW_> rjek: What kind of computer do you have?
[05:09] <WW_> rjek: Marillat might be for 386 only?
[05:09] <Ng> that's true actually
[05:09] <Ng> marillat is i386 only
[05:10] <tseng> it looks like stuff in marillat is getting ahead of warty btw
[05:10] <tseng> has anyone started backporting?
[05:10] <Ng> I was wondering if there were differences in the actual packages, e.g. does the multiverse one do w32codecs support
[05:10] <Ng> not that that matters, since I'm not on i386 ;)
[05:10] <Chucho> Anyone have any advice for getting my parallel port to show up so I can print to it?
[05:10] <WW_> Ng: I just tried searching the packages file for multiverse, and I didn't find w32codecs or libdvdcss.
[05:10] <Chucho> the parport module is loaded, not sure what else I need to do
[05:11] <Ng> WW_: indeed, although the mplayer binary could still support the w32codecs (since it just loads them from a directory)
[05:11] <WW_> Ng: I see.
[05:11] <Ng> if the one in multiverse doesn't have dvd/w32 support then it's gonna probably confuse a lot of people :/
[05:12] <Elw0od> what about nvidia binaries?
[05:12] <Elw0od> apt-get install nvdia-glx?
[05:12] <WW_> Elw0od: See the wiki faq.
[05:12] <dewey> Chucho: did you add printer?
[05:12] <mirak_-> I have a question about dvd software....you know the dvd player that comes with dvd's that require it for special features.....is there anything like that for linux?
[05:12] <Chucho> dewey: yes, but in location it is blank, and in /dev I don't have lp0
[05:13] <Elw0od> tnz
[05:13] <Ng> mirak_-: nope
[05:13] <Chucho> dewey: which is the way I am "used" to doing it
[05:13] <Ng> mirak_-: unless it runs in wine
[05:13] <dewey> Chucho: what printer?
[05:13] <mirak_-> ng, bummer...but oh well...i wouldn't run it in wine ne ways...i hate it...but thnx
[05:13] <Ng> mirak_-: at least we can do dvd menus :)
[05:13] <Chucho> dewey: HP LaserJet 6p
[05:13] <dewey> I have an epson color stylus 860 and I had mine working after I rebooted.
[05:13] <Chucho> dewey: was your a parallel printer?
[05:14] <Ng> mirak_: I don't mind missing out on some web enabled nonsense so long as I can click my way to the film ;)
[05:14] <CraHan> hi everyone
[05:14] <mirak_-> ng, I havent quite got dvd's working in ubuntu yet......
[05:14] <CraHan> I'm having problems with gstreamer and alsa
[05:14] <CraHan> when I set gstreamer-properties to use alsa
[05:14] <dewey> Chucho: yes and I used add printer
[05:14] <Chucho> can you tell me what the "location" field says?
[05:14] <CraHan> it complains that it couldn't create the alsasink test pipeline
[05:14] <CraHan> beep-media-player works fine with alsa though
[05:15] <CraHan> so I'm sure alsa in itself is working nicely
[05:15] <CraHan> just gstreamer seems to be choking on it
[05:15] <mirak_-> anyone know why cd player doesn't have sound.....but I have system sound.....
[05:15] <dewey> Chucho: open system configuration > printer and what happens when you add printer?
[05:15] <CraHan> mirak_-: set the mixer cd volume higer
[05:16] <Ng> mirak_-: checked the mixer? the cd volume could be silenced
[05:16] <CraHan> mirak_-: probably your cd volume is either muted or set to 0
[05:16] <Chucho> dewey: it adds it just fine, but can't find the location, I was curious what your location field says, so I can try to track down where it "should" be
[05:16] <mirak_-> crahan, ng, im am almost positive I set it all the way up, I could listen to the cd in another app.....just cd player wouldn't work
[05:16] <CraHan> hmm
[05:17] <mirak_-> crahen, nothing I can do about it now..im a t work...just wondering if it is a bug or anything
[05:17] <Ng> mirak_-: ah, doh
[05:17] <TheMuso> mirak_-: Is there an analog CD cable from your drive to your sound card?
[05:17] <dewey> Chucho: hmmm mine did see it is on lp0
[05:17] <mirak_-> themuso, no.....and I bet that that is why
[05:17] <mirak_-> themuso, good thinking
[05:18] <dewey> Chucho: connection is local printer
[05:18] <TheMuso> The best bet is to probably use a media player, and use a CD plugin that performs digital audio extraction to play the sound. Gstreamer has such a plugin I think.
[05:18] <TheMuso> Sound-juicer uses that plugin so I know it is part of the default gstreamer install.
[05:19] <mirak_-> themuso, thnx....its not really a big deal, I don't listen to music cd's on my comp, that much......i was ust wondering "WHY"
[05:19] <TheMuso> mirak_-: np
[05:19] <Chucho> dewey: must be a problem with my parallel port then, thanks for your help
[05:20] <CraHan> so, anyone have any idea what might be causing gstreamer-properties to not be able to create the alsa test pipeline ?
[05:23] <tck> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ --> its out
[05:23] <mrjive> :))
[05:24] <tck> torrent --> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[05:25] <TheMuso> However, an update -> dist-upgrade is under way. :)
[05:25] <TheMuso> Although there are no new packages to fetch. :)
[05:27] <Kamion> tck: still being sanity-checked
[05:27] <deFrysk> its out 
[05:27] <deFrysk> :)
[05:28] <iz> its out? what?
[05:28] <deFrysk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/warty-install-i386.iso
[05:28] <iz> friese elfsteden tocht?
[05:28] <deFrysk> :D
[05:28] <iz> oh :)
[05:28] <Mitario> not out oficially though :)
[05:29] <iz> cewl
[05:29] <TheMuso> Kamion said it was still being sanity-checked.
[05:29] <deFrysk> Mitario, I can assure you , thats the one :)
[05:29] <TheMuso> You lot are so impatient.
[05:29] <Mitario> yea, i know, but there's no announcement yet :)
[05:29] <Ng> the torrents are only 10 minutes old and the isos are 16 hours old. that suggests the sanity checking ought to be done by now, especially if the torrents are there ;)
[05:30] <|Erndil|> then the final release is out?
[05:30] <Kamion> the sanity-checking is of the release tree
[05:30] <Ng> but until someone says "it's out" I guess it's not ;)
[05:30] <iz> its bigger
[05:30] <Kamion> not of the ISOs themselves
[05:30] <Ng> fair enough
[05:30] <deFrysk> that directory was not there before and neither was the iso, I am getting it as I spek 
[05:30] <deFrysk> speak
[05:30] <tck> |Erndil|, pretty much now
[05:31] <|Erndil|> ok thank you!
[05:32] <iz> deFrysk, is there also a mand64 version?
[05:33] <iz> err amd64 version
[05:33] <Kamion> Ng: the torrents in particular don't seem to work yet, we're working on it
[05:33] <WW_> bob2: I didn't find the command "apt-show-versions", but I found I could Synaptic and search for Marillat in the Maintainer field.
[05:33] <TheMuso> WW_: Do an apt-cache search apt-show-versions and you will find it is a separate package.
[05:34] <Ng> Kamion: ok, sorry I assumed too much :)
[05:34] <agenteo> i'm tring to burn a cd with ubundu with sudo cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -blank=fast but I've got this error: http://www.pastebin.com/111978
[05:34] <WW_> TheMuso: Aha! Thanks.
[05:34] <Ng> agenteo: why 0,0,0?
[05:34] <Ng> is your writer /dev/hda?
[05:34] <iz> :)
[05:35] <Ng> agenteo: (it's almost certainly not /dev/hda ;)
[05:35] <iz> do you have a writer?
[05:35] <agenteo> hdd
[05:35] <agenteo> iz: yes I assume I have :-)
[05:35] <iz> :)
[05:35] <mrjive> agenteo, :))
[05:36] <Ng> agenteo: then 0,0,0 is wrong. try: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -blank=fast
[05:36] <Ng> ATAPI:0,0,0 means the first device on the first chain, which would be hda
[05:36] <TheMuso> Kamion: Would it help if we started downloading the ISO via http, and if the MD5sum is available, put it up on the bittorrent?
[05:36] <mrjive> agenteo, yes Ng is right
[05:36] <Ng> hdd would be 0,3,0 I *think*
[05:36] <Ng> but I've never used that funky syntax ;)
[05:36] <fabbione> ATA:1,1,0
[05:37] <Kamion> TheMuso: please wait, it's not official yet
[05:37] <Kamion> you will know when it is official
[05:37] <Ng> fabbione: that would make more sense :)
[05:37] <TheMuso> ok will do
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> Greetings,
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> I'm putting together the final figure for number of Ubuntu CDs that
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> we'll be pressing. You've requested 300 CDs which puts you at the top
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> of the list. Since we will be sending you so many CDs, I want to
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> confirm this order with you personally.
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> I'd also love to know what you plan to do with so many CDs.
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> Since you are obviously interested in the project and interested in
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> helping us out by giving away so many CDs, I'd be happy to give you a
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> call to chat. Just give me a phone number and a time to call that is
[05:37] <GNU-Debian> convenient. Thanks!
[05:38] <GNU-Debian> Regards,
[05:38] <GNU-Debian> Mako
[05:38] <GNU-Debian> lol
[05:38] <GNU-Debian> you guys told me 300 is nothing
[05:38] <GNU-Debian> I am at the top of the list
[05:38] <iz> wow
[05:38] <mirak_-> lol...i ordered 70
[05:38] <mirak_-> 300 is tons
[05:38] <bdale> when you've hung around with people who think 30,000 is a good number of install CD's to press and hand out...  ;-)
[05:39] <tck> i thought 10 was alot :P
[05:39] <mirak_-> so did I..at first
[05:39] <agenteo> Ng: it works! thanks
[05:39] <iz> i order 2 amd64 and 2 i386 
[05:39] <Ng> agenteo: cool
[05:40] <mirak_-> 50-385, 10-64, 10-ppc
[05:40] <iz> bit i living on mast so the cost are high :)
[05:40] <GNU-Debian> i ordered 200 i386
[05:40] <mirak_-> 50-386*
[05:40] <iz> err mast=mars
[05:40] <GNU-Debian> 50-64 and 50 ppc
[05:40] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, you got a lot of friends
[05:41] <GNU-Debian> ok anyone think this is a good email to use to reply with?
[05:41] <GNU-Debian> i am ordering them for LUGs that i part of and all together there are about 5k people in all of the ones i go to and #ubuntu on freenode said that 300 sounds like enuff to give out so i ordered 300.
[05:41] <GNU-Debian> (sorry my english isnt good)
[05:41] <GNU-Debian> btw i was planing to order a few and burn them here but the irc channel said it will cost you guys the same for 1cds or 300cds as you are getting so many and the same thing with devery...
[05:41] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, sounds good......that LUG will make them happy
[05:42] <GNU-Debian> there are 4 LUGs
[05:42] <GNU-Debian> that why i said LUGs
[05:42] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, even better
[05:42] <iz> lugs?
[05:42] <mirak_-> is, linux user groups
[05:42] <iz> argh
[05:42] <GNU-Debian> Linux user groupS
[05:42] <iz> in holland is it the name of a university
[05:42] <mirak_-> hmmm
[05:43] <GNU-Debian> it sent
[05:43] <iz> argh nope that rug
[05:43] <GNU-Debian> i am on the top of the list LOL
[05:43] <mirak_-> good for you :)
[05:43] <WW_> Now someone else will order 301.
[05:44] <mirak_-> is the list published?
[05:44] <GNU-Debian> someone order more than 300
[05:44] <GNU-Debian> i hope he doesnt ask what LUGs
[05:45] <WW_> bob2, TheMuso: apt-show-versions | grep testing worked nicely. Thanks!
[05:45] <mirak_-> lol...are you lie-ing?
[05:45] <mako> GNU-Debian: hey there
[05:45] <bob2> WW_: you'e welcome.
[05:45] <GNU-Debian> in case the owners also ordered
[05:45] <GNU-Debian> hey mako
[05:45] <mirak_-> ahhh...i see
[05:45] <GNU-Debian> you are the one which sent me the email?
[05:45] <mako> GNU-Debian: 300 is not the #1 on the list.. t's in the ton 30-40 probably
[05:45] <mako> top range, not top #1
[05:46] <GNU-Debian> mako: wound you know if someone ordered for SLUG SDLUG UNSWLUG or USALUG
[05:47] <GNU-Debian> the university of sydney australia is the last one
[05:47] <mirak_-> how many did #1 order?
[05:47] <GNU-Debian> not united states of americ
[05:47] <gnii> quicky question.. if I boot into recovery mode it seems to give me a root shell as default.. isn't this a bit unsafe?
[05:48] <Kamion> gnii: you could just as easily boot with init=/bin/sh, with any distribution.
[05:48] <Kamion> gnii: if somebody has physical access to your box and can choose how to boot it, you lose anyway
[05:48] <tck> well if u have physical access to a machine, you can get in anyways (with a boot floppy)
[05:49] <Kamion> gnii: if you set the root password it will ask you for the root password rather than letting you straight in
[05:49] <Kamion> but, by default, the root account is disabled
[05:49] <tck> u could use sulogin
[05:49] <Kamion> tck: that IS sulogin
[05:50] <GNU-Debian> mako: what do you think order 10 or so and get some cds off ebay like $30 for 100 and burn them here and get people to pay for the cd or order 300 from ubuntu and give them out for free
[05:50] <Kamion> we modified it so that you didn't get locked out in case fsck failed and there was no root password set.
[05:50] <gnii> Kamion: CHeers :-)
[05:50] <gnii> another one... my Java processes are running at a quarter of a gig of ram? is that right
[05:50] <gnii> AND :-)   what are the invisible processes in the process monitor?
[05:51] <mako> GNU-Debian: 300 is *a lot* of CDs
[05:51] <mako> GNU-Debian: i just wanted to confirm that you had a plan for them
[05:51] <mako> printing and shipping large numbers of cds isn't free so we want to make sure we're not sending them into a black hole
[05:51] <gnii> although if I kill my java processes the overall usage only comes down by <100Mb
[05:52] <iz> he is training for the olympics 2006 discus
[05:52] <mirak_-> mako, I ordered 70...is that too much??
[05:52] <GNU-Debian> yea but that mean everyone can get one for free and not pay 60c-$1 for each one which will make some people not want to buy some
[05:52] <mrjive> hi mako :)
[05:52] <mirak_-> mako, I will gladly reduce
[05:53] <GNU-Debian> mako: by when will i see them in australia because UNSWLUG is meeting next sunday (not this sunday) and only meet ever 2months
[05:53] <bdale> lamont-live: you're not dead?  ;-)
[05:53] <mrjive> theme issue: if i change background or theme it changes only after a logout/login... is it only me?
[05:53] <lamont-live> bdale: livecd boot
[05:54] <iz> k cd is burning
[05:54] <bdale> lamont-live: that was obvious enough, just couldn't help myself...  
[05:54] <gnii> oh and if my colleage lets me connect to his machine and allows me to take control over it.. I can reboot it
[05:54] <gnii> thats not a problem.. it's just quite funny when he was demonstrating it to me
[05:55] <GNU-Debian> how long till the waty cd is out ?? with in the next 4hrs?
[05:55] <darkersatanic> Why is everyone so damnably impatient?
[05:55] <mako> GNU-Debian: two months
[05:55] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, wait for it.....wait..for ...it -ghostbusters
[05:55] <mako> mrjive, mirak_-: it's fine, don't worry about it
[05:55] <mirak_-> mako, kk
[05:56] <GNU-Debian> mako /topic disagreys
[05:56] <mako> mirak_-: i'm more worried about the people ordering 500 or 10,000
[05:56] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, I think he meant 2 months till your cd will show up
[05:56] <mirak_-> mako, ok...i was just trying to help
[05:56] <mako> GNU-Debian: dude, we are JUST relaseing this moment.. we can't exactly get the database finished and and printed and shipped and in australia by sunday :)
[05:57] <mirak_-> LOL
[05:57] <Ng> why not? ;)
[05:57] <mrjive> ahah
[05:57] <GNU-Debian> it because my isp for the next 6hrs is not counted usage
[05:57] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, counted usage???....you don't get unlimited?
[05:57] <mirak_-> bummer
[05:58] <GNU-Debian> mako: by next sunday that 12 days you got
[05:58] <sabdfl> RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT: Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release" is DONE!
[05:58] <sabdfl> Read the full announcement at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fFinalReleaseAnnouncement?action=raw
[05:58] <mirak_-> YAY!!!
[05:58] <DaNewB> cool
[05:58] <GNU-Debian> if not i'll need to get a list and get people to give it to the people
[05:58] <fabbione> congratulation everybody!
[05:58] <GNU-Debian> YAY
[05:59] <mirak_-> CONGRATZ UBUNTU
[05:59] <vrln> nice :)
[05:59] <mrjive> great :)
[05:59] <robtaylor> wheeee
[05:59] <plasmo> ;D
[05:59] <mako> GNU-Debian: dude, it's just not possible :)
[05:59] <__daniel> coooooooooool
[05:59] <Kosai> Woo.
[05:59] <yfir> let me guess - warty is out
[05:59] <plasmo> :D!!
[06:01] <Kosai> sabdfl: "#ubuntu and on irc.freenode.net" shouldn't have an "and", no?
[06:01] <Mitario> w00t
[06:01] <whiprush> wooo! congrats everyone!
[06:01] <mako> sabdfl: probably
[06:01] <GNU-Debian> mako: ok well i get people adress that are not in the uni and send it to them ...
[06:01] <GNU-Debian> ok send the info to distrowatch
[06:01] <robtaylor> mako: hey man :)
[06:01] <mako> GNU-Debian: printing the cd is going to take time
[06:01] <mako> robtaylor: hey there :)
[06:01] <robtaylor> mako: so when will i get my cds? ;)
[06:01] <mirak_-> robtaylor, tomarrow
[06:01] <WW_> GNU-Debian: An ubuntu guy said earlier that cds would probably ship in early November.
[06:02] <robtaylor> mako: oh, you read 'the success of open source' yet?
[06:02] <mako> robtaylor: since we started printing them a week before we finished teh content, they should be there any momemnt :)
[06:02] <yfir> question: will the shipped cds be essentially what is available for download now? i mean, should i start burning the iso to give away or wait until my cds arrive?
[06:02] <mirak_-> ww_, sounds about right, I have had cd pressed before........it takes time
[06:02] <plasmo> mako: cool :)
[06:02] <whiprush> ok, so the files in releases.u.c/warty are final right?
[06:02] <mirak_-> yfir, same
[06:02] <robtaylor> mako: rocking :) so how many cds in the final count?
[06:02] <mako> robtaylor: i am writing a short piece called "the death of open source" :)
[06:02] <Kamion> yfir: the install CD will be identical to what's up for download now; the live CD will change
[06:03] <GNU-Debian> mako: you guys are labling the cd !?!?!?!?!?
[06:03] <mako> robtaylor: the first batch will include 160k
[06:03] <yfir> ok, thanks. i'll start burning right away
[06:03] <mako> GNU-Debian: yes
[06:03] <yfir> hehe
[06:03] <GNU-Debian> 0_0
[06:03] <Kamion> whiprush: warty-*-install-* are final, warty-*-live-* still being polished
[06:03] <mako> GNU-Debian: you're pretty excited about that question :)
[06:03] <mirak_-> gnu-debian, yes, and I believe it will be shrink wrapped as well
[06:03] <iz> GNU-Debian, you need a serial for free updates :)
[06:03] <robtaylor> mako: really? in what way? (death of)
[06:03] <whiprush> Kamion: okey dokey
[06:04] <mrjive> mako, i'd like to help ubuntu, perhaps in translation ... what can i do?
[06:04] <mako> robtaylor: the concept, not the term
[06:04] <yfir> congrats everyone. this distro is fantastic
[06:04] <sabdfl> mrjive: come on board, translation is a huge contribution. daf if our lead for i18n, ping him on irc
[06:05] <mako> mrjive: join the ubuntu-translators email list
[06:05] <mako> mrjive: and introduce yourself to start
[06:05] <mrjive> good
[06:05] <mrjive> :)
[06:05] <mako> mrjive: what language will you be tranlsating into?
[06:05] <yfir> heh, can i still file complaints? :)
[06:05] <mrjive> mako, italian
[06:06] <CraHan> is there someone translating into dutch?
[06:06] <iz> okay guys i'm booting and install the last version see ya laterz
[06:06] <iz> brb
[06:06] <daf> mrjive: hi
[06:06] <mrjive> mako, also testin software could mbe something i can do
[06:06] <Kamion> yfir: sure, but we'll only fix 'em in hoary
[06:06] <mrjive> hi daf :)
[06:06] <mirak_-> iz......you don't have to re-install
[06:06] <mako> mrjive: both would be great
[06:06] <Kamion> bdale: depends where you're rsyncing from ...
[06:06] <GNU-Ubuntu> iz: apt-get update
[06:06] <yfir> well, i was joking, but since you mentioned it... 
[06:06] <GNU-Ubuntu> iz: apt-get upgrade
[06:07] <Tiboz> hey guys
[06:07] <Kamion> bdale: if you rsync all of releases.ubuntu.com::releases, it should be fine, since the changed filenames are only symlinks to constant filenames in .pool
[06:07] <plasmo> wat the hell. im download ubuntu at 30kb. and im on 56k . lmao
[06:07] <bdale> Kamion: I've got an rsync going from the "old" place after seeing the filenames there hadn't changed and the md5sums match the ones in the new place...  but I suspect I'll rename everything and repoing the rsync at some point
[06:07] <GNU-Ubuntu> ohh to late
[06:07] <WW_> Now that warty is out, what kind of updates can I expect from now on? 
[06:07] <yfir> (this may be a gnome problem, not ubuntu) but when managing time zones, canadian cities are listed as: America:City
[06:07] <bdale> Kamion: interesting.  I'll poke at that once this rsync finishes
[06:07] <Kamion> bdale: unfortunately we didn't get the cdimage layout totally settled before the preview release, which would've been the ideal point to do it
[06:07] <WW_> Just critical bug fixes, or what?
[06:07] <sabdfl> WW_: regular security updates for packages in main
[06:07] <mdz> bdale: is there a web resource for HP multifunction printer compatibility with Linux?
[06:07] <bdale> Kamion: yeah, I'
[06:07] <bdale> 'm not pissed or anything, it's just annoying
[06:07] <GNU-Ubuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/login.png IS SO G-A-Y
[06:07] <sabdfl> WW_: for warty, yes
[06:08] <bdale> mdz: there's a project at sourceforge... I'll find it for you.
[06:08] <mdz> GNU-Ubuntu: easy, now
[06:08] <sabdfl> bdale: welcome!
[06:08] <darkersatanic> GNU-Ubuntu: Then change it.
[06:08] <sabdfl> Woot!
[06:08] <sabdfl> GNU-Ubuntu: in the "shiny happy people" sense?
[06:08] <mdz> bdale: hpoj.sf.net?
[06:09] <GNU-Ubuntu> ok i need a bit torrent client'
[06:09] <yfir> bit tornado?
[06:09] <bdale> mdz: hpoj.sourceforge.net
[06:09] <mirak_-> yfir, I second that
[06:09] <mdz> bdale: found it, thanks
[06:10] <bdale> mdz: I'm using those drivers with a PSC-950 and CUPS using the Debian hpoj packaging and it seems to work for printing... haven't tried anything else.
[06:10] <GNU-Ubuntu> ok is the ftp fast or should i goto bit torrent?
[06:10] <mdz> bdale: I was looking at an officejet 6110
[06:10] <bdale> GNU-Ubuntu: torrent always wins
[06:10] <Tiboz> I got a question about vlc in universe 
[06:10] <Tiboz> why is this an old version ?
[06:10] <bdale> mdz: I don't know the new models, sadly... let me go look
[06:10] <yfir> GNU-Ubuntu: torrent is faster
[06:11] <mdz> bdale: the table on hpoj.sf.net seems to say that the usual stuff works
[06:11] <glar00k> bdale: you can get 4MByte downstream with bt? :)
[06:11] <plasmo> im downloading 30kb/s from site and im on 56k. thats just weird :S
[06:11] <mdz> bdale: I assume the fax and copy capability works independently of the PC entirely
[06:11] <mirak_-> gnu-ubuntu, specially now...you know the server is flooded
[06:11] <robtaylor> so, does canonical have any plans for offering training courses?
[06:11] <yfir> of course, you'll still have to dl the .torrent :)
[06:11] <mirak_-> plasmo, is that good or bad for 56k?........ive never used it
[06:11] <WW_> Tiboz: My understanding is that most of universe is a snapshot of unstable from June.
[06:11] <mdz> robtaylor: interesting idea
[06:12] <bdale> glar00k: I can keep my pipe full in both directions on days like today...
[06:12] <plasmo> thats pretty damn good lol
[06:12] <Tiboz> WW_: oki is it updated often ?
[06:12] <WW_> Tiboz: I don't think so, but there are folks here who know a lot more than I do!
[06:12] <Tiboz> oki
[06:12] <lamont> mirak_-: 30kb/s == 240kbits/sec, which is really really good for a 56kbit/sec line
[06:12] <yfir> that's something i was wondering too. will universe change much in the next 6 months?
[06:13] <Kamion> yfir: we'll be keeping it up to date with sid for a while
[06:13] <yfir> ok. just curious
[06:13] <glar00k> bdale: I mostly have around 200 KByte/s with bt ... too less :)
[06:13] <Kamion> yfir: (until the upstream-version-freeze)
[06:13] <bdale> mdz: we bought the PSC-950 for two reasons.  one was the cool "gimme a proof sheet I can mark up and scan to get the photos off the camera card" feature, which my wife loves, and to replace our fax machine.  Neither of those require a PC.  I also use it to print things that I need to print in color by plugging a USB cable in to my laptop.  I recently bought one of the network interface boxes for it but I haven't plugged it in yet.  Supposedly allows full-feat
[06:13] <bdale> ured access to it over the net, which will rock if it all works.
[06:13] <lamont> Tiboz: warty upstream version freeze was June 28.  Anything newer than that in the release was added specifically to fix something.
[06:13] <robtaylor> mdz: yeah, i was just chatting to day thet we'd liek to roll out evolution ratehr than outlook here, but we'd need someon to go to for trainig courses to help the poos scared salesmen ;)
[06:13] <mrjive> are the kernel sources on the cd?
[06:14] <Tiboz> lamont: ok
[06:14] <Erix> hi
[06:14] <plasmo> hello
[06:14] <yfir> anyway, congrats guys/gals. great work. 
[06:14] <mdz> bdale: yeah, I'm not much interested in photos, and I already have a flash card reader.  just looking for basic print/scan/copy/fax functionality
[06:14] <mdz> bdale: and the oj 5510 has a very nice price
[06:15] <Kamion> mrjive: no, kernel headers are
[06:15] <Erix> do you know if the ubuntu cds are shipped?
[06:15] <mrjive> ok tnx
[06:15] <bdale> mdz: the copier stuff in the PSC-950 works fine, I've only used it as a scanner with the Windows software and only to see if it worked (I have a perfectly adequate SCSI interfaced scanner on another machine)
[06:15] <Kamion> Erix: not yet, we only declared the images final like half an hour ago :)
[06:15] <mdz> Erix: that will take a few weeks more
[06:16] <bdale> mdz: I haven't actually touched any of the models more recent than the one we bought.  The hpoj site's compatibility table will tell you which driver features are known to work with which models.  Just make sure you check that first.
[06:16] <Erix> thanks. i'll download an iso now but pressed cds would be better to give friends.
[06:16] <WW_> Strange problem: Lately Firefox often starts up with a completely blank screen.  Everything seems to work, and I can select Go->Home to get to my home page.
[06:17] <mirak_-> kamion, are you guys celabrating???
[06:17] <WW_> After that, restarting it works as expected--I start up in my usual home page.
[06:17] <whiprush> you guys need some beer.
[06:18] <lamont> bdale: PSC-1315xi?
[06:18] <GNU-Ubuntu> hmm
[06:18] <mdz> bdale: doing so now, thanks for the pointer
[06:18] <robtaylor> so anyone do any of the cambridge based ubuntu guys fancy being bought a pint tonight?
[06:18] <Kamion> mirak_-: believe a few developers are partying this evening, not sure I'll make it
[06:18] <robtaylor> pub quiz, carlton arms? ;)
[06:19] <GNU-Ubuntu> bittorent-gui is OOO on stupid mandrake (long story why i have to use it [it was the only install cd i had)
[06:19] <bdale> lamont: http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/suplist.shtml
[06:19] <Kamion> robtaylor: sounds appealing
[06:19] <robtaylor> Kamion: :)
[06:19] <rcaskey_> woot! Just got the email. does that mean its time for us to %s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:19] <mdz> rcaskey_: not quite
[06:19] <Kamion> rcaskey_: not so fast :-) don't think we have hoary quite in existence yet
[06:19] <bdale> rcaskey_: ;-)
[06:20] <robtaylor> Kamion: who else is cambridge based?
[06:20] <sabdfl> robtaylor: think you'll get quite a few takers on that offer :-)
[06:20] <robtaylor> heheh :)
[06:20] <mirak_-> I don't get what rcaskey is asking about....im new....am I gonna have to do that too??
[06:20] <Kamion> robtaylor: Kinnison's nearby
[06:20] <rcaskey_> mirak: don't worry about it
[06:21] <Kamion> robtaylor: (Canonical-employed though not working on Ubuntu much)
[06:21] <GNU-Ubuntu> ok anyone know where i can find a STUPID bit torrent GUI client rpm ?????????????????????
[06:21] <mirak_-> rcaskey, kk
[06:21] <robtaylor> sabdfl: :)
[06:21] <deFrysk> GNU-Ubuntu, in mandrake ?
[06:21] <Tiboz> is there a hack to install recent sid packages on ubuntu ?
[06:21] <Kamion> robtaylor: mjg59's around but said he was double-booked tonight already
[06:21] <GNU-Ubuntu> in stupid manbrake
[06:21] <rcaskey_> Time to go burn those final...errr, do nothing beecause dist-upgrade was uneventful last night.
[06:21] <deFrysk> GNU-Ubuntu, nope sorry
[06:21] <robtaylor> Kamion: ah, shame
[06:22] <mjg59> robtaylor: Yeah, society squash I have to be at
[06:22] <robtaylor> mjg59: ahh, that time of year again.. which soc?
[06:23] <mjg59> SRCF
[06:23] <tom_cat> oh boy, the official ubuntu has not been out yet !
[06:24] <giard> is there an easy way to compile a single module and load it?
[06:24] <tom_cat> I am too eager !
[06:24] <Tiboz> is there a hack to install recent sid packages on ubuntu ?
[06:24] <mjg59> tom_cat: It's just been released
[06:24] <mdz> Tiboz: yes, wait a few days for Hoary to open :-)
[06:24] <robtaylor> mjg59: ah, yep rope'em in ;)
[06:24] <giard> I tried compiling an entire kernel from scratch, but it wouldn't boot (I'm assuming because I didn't do the initrd thing correctly)
[06:24] <BiasD> congrats on the Warty release
[06:24] <GNU-Ubuntu> #manbrake is emty
[06:24] <tom_cat> mjg59:  really ?
[06:24] <Tiboz> mdz: oki thanks :)
[06:24] <GNU-Ubuntu> what network are they on?
[06:25] <rcaskey_> btw, what's the big news with gnome 2.10
[06:25] <WW_> Tiboz: You could add unstable to sources.list, but I think the standard line from Ubuntu about that is it is "fraught with peril"
[06:25] <CraHan> dang it
[06:25] <tom_cat> congrats on the Warty release
[06:25] <deFrysk> GNU-Ubuntu, try #bittorrent
[06:25] <rcaskey_> what are the major focus areas?
[06:25] <CraHan> I keep getting errors whan trying to use alsa with gstreame
[06:25] <tom_cat> :-D
[06:25] <CraHan> what the heck is its problem, it works fine with xmms and beep
[06:25] <mdz> CraHan: use esd
[06:25] <CraHan> mdz: esd crackles
[06:25] <Tiboz> WW_: I'll wait for hoary in this case, thanks :)
[06:25] <WW_> Tiboz: ...so you probably don't want to do that.
[06:25] <WW_> Tiboz: Right.
[06:26] <BiasD> so when does Hoary start then? I want usplash
[06:26] <sven_> does anyone knows if quickcam express usb is working by default in ubuntu?
[06:26] <mirak_-> plug it in and see
[06:26] <BiasD> sven_: mines does not but there are a few models of the quickcam express
[06:26] <sven_> thx
[06:27] <mdz> BiasD: you won't have usplash until it gets written :-)
[06:27] <rcaskey_> did anything ever get done to make digital cameras show up in Nautilus?
[06:27] <mdz> rcaskey_: yes
[06:27] <rcaskey_> cool
[06:27] <rcaskey_> A few weeks ago I had to use gtkam
[06:27] <robtaylor> Kamion: well we could all just go gatecrash mjg59's squash ;) ;)
[06:27] <giard> I don't see a wiki for recompiling your kernel
[06:27] <rcaskey_> XP's Photo Wizard is good stuff
[06:28] <deFrysk> xp ?
[06:28] <rcaskey_> My parents used it to print photos and were very happy
[06:28] <deFrysk> what ?
[06:28] <rcaskey_> Hopefully F-Spot and friends will fill in the gap
[06:28] <BiasD> my Quickcam requires qc-usb-source
[06:29] <BiasD> any chance on getting that module compiled and into restricted-modules? 8)
[06:29] <BiasD> thatd be great
[06:30] <giard> when I try to run make-kpkg I get "No rule to make target `conf_vars`"
[06:33] <rcaskey_> Is anyone against me carving up HardwareSupport into more BiteSized chunks?
[06:33] <mirak_-> ???
[06:33] <rcaskey_> on the wiki
[06:33] <mirak_-> oh...go for it
[06:33] <mirak_-> just make sure the info is still easy to find
[06:34] <mrjive> bye all see you tomorrow
[06:34] <mirak_-> bye
[06:36] <Tiboz> when is hoary going to be available ?
[06:36] <mirak_-> tiboz, for DL....now
[06:37] <ijuz> huuu, the bittorrent is still fast! :)
[06:37] <sabdfl> Tiboz: today + six months
[06:37] <LeeColleton> could we put a link to the torrent in the topic?
[06:37] <mirak_-> tiboz, sorry.........hoary....sorry
[06:37] <Tiboz> mirak_: no pb
[06:37] <plasmo> warty :)
[06:38] <tom_cat> plasmo: yeah, it's out
[06:38] <Tiboz> sabdfl: no the developpement repository I mean
[06:38] <LeeColleton> releases.ubuntu.com is timing out for me.  does anyone have a torrent link?
[06:38] <Tiboz> "Soon after the Warty release, updated packages will be available in our development branch on an ongoing basis, similar to the pace of Debian unstable."
[06:38] <ijuz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[06:38] <mirak_-> sorry if this is a stupid or has already been covered, but warty being out now, does that mean I can update to it NOW.....or do I still have to wait a bit
[06:39] <LeeColleton> thanks ijuz
[06:39] <Tiboz> i only ask when ? ;)
[06:39] <ijuz> LeeColleton: but i guess this will also timeout :)
[06:39] <edd> mako: dude, you released :)
[06:39] <georgia> want a mirror for the torrent?
[06:40] <robtaylor> sabdfl: one thing thats been bugging me... what does SABDFL stand for? :)
[06:40] <georgia> dont currently have enough free space to mirror the disk images, but i coudl easily mirror the torrent
[06:40] <sabdfl> robtaylor: there are several interpretations
[06:40] <tom_cat> who can kindly build ubuntu for 1686 and athlon XP ?
[06:40] <mako> edd: yeah, nuts huh? :)
[06:40] <mdz> tom_cat: FAQ
[06:40] <ijuz> damn bittorrent didn't download the torrent 8-)
[06:40] <sabdfl> "self appointed benevolent dictator for life" would be my favourite
[06:41] <robtaylor> sabdfl: lol :) i like it ;)
[06:41] <WW_> mirak_-: My understanding is that if you are currently up to date (with apt-get dist-upgrade), you already have warty.
[06:41] <sabdfl> ah, me too
[06:41] <edd> mako: it's a bit inconvenient timing for me, means i need to rush out a news piece for o'reillynet :)
[06:41] <tom_cat> mdz, i need an iso for athlon XP ;-)
[06:41] <mako> sabdfl: i like "south african benevolent dictator for life"
[06:41] <mdz> tom_cat: the i386 one will work spectacularly
[06:41] <siretart> anybody having a list of ftp mirrors for warty? bittorrent is no alternative for me
[06:41] <sabdfl> erm, 40 million saffies might feel otherwise
[06:41] <mirak_-> ww_, well I havent updated today......
[06:42] <mdz> it is surely no coincidence that sabdfl has SAB as a prefix
[06:42] <sabdfl> tom_cat: theres a lot of optimisation in the x86 build for p4
[06:42] <sabdfl> "south african breweries"?
[06:42] <mako> no, SA as a description of you, not as a description of your domain :)
[06:42] <WW_> mirak_-: I don't think anything changed today. 
[06:42] <mdz> tom_cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/optimised-packages
[06:42] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[06:42] <mirak_-> ww_, kk....thnx
[06:42] <sabdfl> thom's hoping so, what with the party tonight etc
[06:42] <tom_cat> mdz, thanks
[06:42] <robtaylor> mdz: hehe
[06:44] <tom_cat> hehe, it's time for my wife and me make a party ;-)
[06:44] <docelic> So I see.. the distro managed to get *some* attention ;-)
[06:45] <chowells> hmm, my laptop hard disk keeps spinning down and I can't work out what is causing it. Apart from any BIOS settings, does anybody know anything in the default ubuntu which would cause this?
[06:45] <tom_cat> 99 everyone here. enjoy new distro !
[06:45] <mteira> hald is getting hung on my computer, any idea?
[06:45] <mteira> No usb device connected.
[06:46] <mdz> chowells: by default, the disk is set to spin down aggressively when you are on battery power, in order to extend battery life
[06:46] <robtaylor> mdz: so when will we see the final live cd? I'm thinking of basing one of our support products of a customized ubuntu live cd..
[06:46] <mteira> The only strange think I've seen is this in kern.log
[06:47] <Bentley> hi all - is anyone aware of a gnome text editor that will open remote documents (via gnome-vfs) in RW mode?  gedit opens them RO... and I'd really like something gnome (I currently have to use a kate to edit remote docs :-( )
[06:47] <mdz> robtaylor: most likely in the next day or two
[06:47] <mteira> hdd: request sense failure: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
[06:47] <mteira> hdd: request sense failure: error=0x04 Aborted Command
[06:47] <robtaylor> mdz: is it mostly being done be alextreme?
[06:47] <ijuz> mteira: hardware problem
[06:47] <mteira> Could this have something to do with hald hunged?
[06:47] <mteira> ijuz: There's no disk in hdd.
[06:48] <mdz> robtaylor: alextreme, lamont and amu have worked on it
[06:48] <ijuz> hm, ok
[06:48] <mteira> ijuz: And I'm not sure if hald hung has something to do with this log.
[06:49] <chowells> mdz: oh yes indeed. I woundered if powernowd was causing it or something. I was just a) worried about increased wear and tear on the drive b) worried that spinning the drive up actually takes rather a lot of power
[06:49] <mdz> chowells: if you like, you can adjust it using some rather obscure settings in /etc/acpi/power.sh
[06:50] <robtaylor> mdz: cool, if i did go down that route, would canonical be up for being contracted for functionality/hardware support?
[06:50] <mdz> chowells: the system will try not to spin it up more than once per 10 minutes
[06:50] <mdz> robtaylor: specifically for the live CD, you mean?
[06:50] <chowells> mdz: yeah. Well those were just my concerns, so just wondered
[06:50] <robtaylor> mdz: yep
[06:50] <chowells> mdz: hmm. well this is spinning down literally every few seconds
[06:50] <mdz> chowells: that is not normal
[06:50] <Gmail> #mandrake is hop[eless
[06:50] <chowells> nope
[06:50] <tiorober> mteira:TIX is the best ;)
[06:50] <mirak_-> where are the icon files located????
[06:51] <Gmail> anyone know where i can find a rpm for a bittorent client that works
[06:51] <mirak_-> I am setting up my xfce4 menues, and all I can get are generic icons
[06:51] <robtaylor> Gmail: wrong distro, mate
[06:51] <deFrysk> /usr/share/pixmaps
[06:51] <ijuz> just unpack it and run it with python
[06:52] <BiasD> Gmail: try Azureus - http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[06:52] <Gmail> robtaylor: then you fix my hdd with debian on it
[06:52] <spiv> Gmail: so that you can download ubuntu, I presume? :)
[06:52] <mteira> tiorober: Who has allowed you to enter here?
[06:52] <mteira> tiorober: :)
[06:52] <Gmail> or give me another distro to install now
[06:52] <robtaylor> Gmail: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[06:52] <moyote> Is it safe to do apt-get upgrade after install ubuntu?
[06:52] <Gmail> i am no n00b
[06:52] <sivang> moyote : why not?
[06:53] <mirak_-> defrysk, was that to me???
[06:53] <Gmail> moyote: do a apt-get update first
[06:53] <moyote> I've been away from Debian for a long time. Just making sure, Thank you.
[06:53] <deFrysk> mirak_ yup
[06:53] <mirak_-> defrysk, if so.........thnx
[06:53] <mteira> Anybody cares about my hald problems? :'-(
[06:53] <dreamcatcher> what? who's getting bald?
[06:53] <Gmail> i installed potato when it came from win 3.1.1
[06:53] <mteira> I could send you an stack trace of the hunged process, if you want. :)
[06:53] <LeeColleton> So is the Live CD is still in Release Candidate status?
[06:53] <mirak_-> iam....stop picking on me.......its not my fault
[06:53] <spiv> Gmail: You've just entered the channel and started talking about other distros... I'm guessing you're trying to download ubuntu, but you haven't said, so it looks like you're just offtopic at the momoent.
[06:54] <evilstoy> is todays release full stable or there are some know bugs which couldnt be fixed on time?
[06:54] <dreamcatcher> hey spiv, how it goes?
[06:55] <sabdfl> evilstoy: we'll only make security and dataloss fixes to warty.
[06:55] <spiv> dreamcatcher: Pretty good.  I think I may have hit an sqlos bug today, actually :)
[06:55] <Gmail> i have been in and out
[06:55] <sabdfl> we start work on hoary soon, and will roll other fixes into that
[06:55] <dreamcatcher> spiv: oh, cool ;) mail me
[06:56] <spiv> dreamcatcher: I'm trying to make sure it's not an sqlobject bug first :)
[06:56] <moyote> I like what I see in ubuntu. So far, only the first distro that my Netgear wireless pci works like a charm. It has the atheros drivers installed. :-)
[06:56] <mdz> evilstoy: there will always be bugs, of course.  We have fixed all bugs that we felt made it unsuitable for release.
[06:56] <mdz> (and many more)
[06:56] <dreamcatcher> good boy
[06:56] <deFrysk> cant wait for hoary
[06:56] <deFrysk> whan can I download it ;p
[06:56] <moyote> didn't have to write a config script for the drivers. :-))))
[06:56] <deFrysk> when
[06:56] <mteira> mdz: What about #1923, for example?
[06:57] <jordi> mdz: what's the plan now? Take another snapshot of sid at some given date and forwardport the Ubuntu patches?
[06:57] <evilstoy> i know, thank you all
[06:57] <mteira> mdz: I think it's a really critical bug.
[06:57] <moyote> When is hoary scheduled for release?
[06:57] <deFrysk> moyote, april I think
[06:57] <dreamcatcher> moyote: six months from now?
[06:58] <mdz> mteira: it is a notable bug, but it has a couple of easy workarounds
[06:58] <deFrysk> hoary with gnome 2.10 :)
[06:58] <mteira> mdz: Could you tell me, please?
[06:58] <mdz> moyote: yes, april.  every six months like clockwork
[06:58] <mteira> mdz: My system goes unusable with that.
[06:58] <moyote> Guess I better starting reading the website a little more carefully. :-)
[06:58] <rcaskey_> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport
[06:58] <rcaskey_> there, hardware support is less aweful now
[06:58] <jordi> moyote: heh
[06:59] <mdz> mteira: try booting with noapic, to start.  then pci=noacpi, and finally acpi=off.  if none of those avoid the problem, according to others, it helps to unplug the USB device while booting
[06:59] <mteira> mdz: Yes, I've tried that.
[06:59] <dreamcatcher> spiv: did you get the fixes to 'expire on transaction abort'?
[06:59] <mteira> mdz: When, i havent' tried acpi=off
[06:59] <mteira> mdz: Anyway, I think that my hald problems are related with this, also.
[06:59] <spiv> dreamcatcher: Hmm, I don't think so, I'll take a look.
[06:59] <mdz> mteira: please add comments to bugzilla describing what you have tried, and the results
[06:59] <mdz> mteira: yes, that seems likely
[06:59] <mirak_-> rcaskey, yes...much better
[07:00] <mteira> mdz: I've made that already
[07:00] <mirak_-> rcaskey, I like it now
[07:00] <mteira> mdz: So, won't the new 2.6.9 kernel enters this release?
[07:00] <mdz> mteira: you didn't mention having tried noapic
[07:00] <mirak_-> shhot...ill seed the torrent too........dont need it...but ill seed anyways
[07:00] <mteira> mdz: No, that's true. I tried a lot of things.
[07:01] <mdz> mteira: no, 2.6.9 will not
[07:01] <mdz> it will go in the next release
[07:01] <mdz> mteira: the release is, well, released :-)
[07:01] <Hmmmmm_> anyone got a good torrent of warty?
[07:01] <mteira> mdz: I was expecting that perhaps some of the usb fixes could help.
[07:01] <mdz> Hmmmmm_: topic
[07:01] <deFrysk> if 2.6.10 is not out yet then ?
[07:01] <mteira> mdz: OK.
[07:01] <georgia> Hmmmmm_: see the topic
[07:01] <mteira> mdz: Thanks for the info, I'll try with that options.
[07:01] <Hmmmmm_> georgia, but does it have a lot of sources?
[07:01] <deFrysk> Hmmmmm_, /me is seeding the torrent from the uk server
[07:02] <deFrysk> so try that one
[07:02] <mdz> Hmmmmm_: it is the official torrent, so yes, it is likely to have more than any other
[07:02] <Hmmmmm_> mdk, ic
[07:02] <georgia> Hmmmmm_: its the official one, so i'd guess it does
[07:02] <georgia> though, if you're already running one of the release candidates you dont need to download the iso to upgrade
[07:03] <Hmmmmm_> georgia, i wana do my machien from scratch
[07:03] <mirak_-> post a link to the torrent plz...i cant find it
[07:03] <georgia> mirak_: see the topic
[07:03] <mirak_-> and I cant see the topic on this client
[07:03] <georgia> Hmmmmm_: fair enough, grab that torrent then
[07:03] <mirak_-> georgia, I cant see the topic on this client
[07:03] <deFrysk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[07:04] <georgia> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[07:04] <mirak_-> thnx
[07:04] <deFrysk> there it is :)
[07:04] <georgia> in stereo
[07:04] <georgia> :D
[07:04] <deFrysk> twice even hehe
[07:04] <iz> so its works
[07:04] <LeeColleton> mirak_-: just type /topic 
[07:04] <mako> folks should feel welcome to submit the release to /.: you can link to http://lwn.net/Articles/107267/
[07:05] <mirak_-> leecollection, thnx
[07:05] <hypn0> just thinking, shouldnt it have been called ubuntu1, isnt warty a codename :-/
[07:06] <bdale> it's 4.10
[07:06] <hypn0> ;-)
[07:07] <Hmmmmm_> how does jidgo compare to bt?
[07:07] <ijuz> Hmmmmm_: google it
[07:07] <dreamcatcher> like apples and oranges? 
[07:07] <Hmmmmm_> ijuz, google what?
[07:07] <Hmmmmm_> i wna know how jigdo compares in performance to bt
[07:08] <Hmmmmm_> im asking for an opinion here not a fact
[07:08] <georgia> bit torrent is better if everyone is trying to get the same thing at once
[07:08] <ijuz> depends of course
[07:08] <georgia> jigdo is good if you want to build a totally up to date image a while after release
[07:08] <ijuz> because ubuntu doesn't have lots of mirrors you are very likely better with bt at the moment
[07:09] <whiprush> the torrent is well seeded
[07:09] <ijuz> when you are getting sarge images you are better with jigdo, because they are 50 or 100 fast debian mirrors
[07:09] <whiprush> I got a good 400K for most of it
[07:10] <ijuz> whiprush: i'm uploading with 1,3 MB/s :)
[07:10] <whiprush> heh, I'm seeding now at 200K or so
[07:11] <Hmmmmm_> maybe they can release updates thru bt
[07:12] <Hmmmmm_> merge it into apt-get maybe
[07:12] <ijuz> Hmmmmm_: won't work
[07:13] <ijuz> Hmmmmm_: therefore jigdo is better, it can take files from an old CD or something like /var/cache/apt
[07:17] <kent> Maybe not the right forum, but is there any python bindings for the panel notificationarea?
[07:18] <robtaylor> Kamion: so, pub or not?
[07:18] <Hmmmmm_> anyone know where ican find info about what's inside the hood of warty
[07:22] <DaNewB> Hmmmmm_: distrowatch.com?
[07:22] <Hmmmmm_> thnx
[07:23] <Gmail> fscking #mandrake is still being a pain
[07:24] <Gmail> anyone want to help me with a mandrake bittorent error?
[07:25] <Kamion> robtaylor: I'll be at the Carlton from 7:30-8:00 or so
[07:26] <robtaylor> Kamion: cool. i'll see you there, then :)
[07:26] <robtaylor> laters all
[07:26] <mirak_-> lates
[07:26] <Gmail> I HATE MANDRAKE WHY DID MY DEBIAN SYSTEM HAVE TO DIE?
[07:26] <mirak_-> user malfunction!
[07:26] <sabdfl> does anyone else things that was a little random?
[07:26] <sabdfl> think
[07:26] <mirak_-> yeah
[07:28] <rcaskey_> any more feedback on http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport
[07:28] <mdz> rcaskey_: I like it
[07:29] <mirak_-> rcaskey, I like it, like it alot
[07:30] <mdz> rcaskey_: for some reason those pages don't seem to get the "parent" link
[07:30] <rcaskey_> I noticed that
[07:33] <Hmmmmm_> why's the open ofice version in warty 1.1.2? couldn't they include 1.1.3?
[07:33] <Hmmmmm_> iirc it was released ages back
[07:36] <meff> whats the package with the kernel source called in ubuntu? need it for installing vmware
[07:36] <Gmail> I HATE #MANDRAKE they cant slove my problem they ban me :(
[07:37] <Gmail> i still cant get bittorent to work as root i get premission denieled
[07:37] <Hmmmmm_> Gmail, what error are u getting?
[07:39] <mdz> Hmmmmm_: no, it wasn't
[07:39] <alakdan> hello, im just wondering where can I get the plugins for playing avi files on totem player and what package
[07:39] <mdz> Hmmmmm_: oo.o 1.1.3 was released about 10 days ago
[07:39] <nosilver4u> has anyone done anything with cgi scripts on a webserver in ubuntu?
[07:40] <pero> jemand da
[07:40] <__daniel> pero, this is mostly an english speaking channel :-)
[07:41] <pero> what ist this "Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0"
[07:41] <__daniel> pero, but the guys in #ubuntu-de seem to have woken up :-)
[07:41] <Gmail> Hmmmmm_: i pmed it to you
[07:41] <mteira> mdz: I've tried with noapic pci=noacpi acpi=off
[07:42] <mdz> mteira: nolapic?
[07:42] <Hmmmmm_> gmail i suggest u try azureus
[07:43] <mteira> mdz: nolapic, no, I haven't tested that.
[07:43] <mteira> mdz: With this options, at least hald seems to work fine.
[07:43] <pero> pleas help what is this "*ror : Temporary failure in name resulation [fail]  "
[07:43] <mteira> mdz: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices hungs, but hald doesn't
[07:43] <pero> *ror : Temporary failure in name resulation [fail]  
[07:43] <mdz> mteira: ah, so acpi=off helped somewhat
[07:43] <mteira> mdz: So, your suggestion is: 'nolapic noapic pci=noacpi acpi=off' ?
[07:44] <mteira> mdz: Yes.
[07:44] <mteira> mdz: That made it for hald. At least now the system is usable.
[07:44] <mdz> mteira: nolapic is worth trying
[07:44] <Gmail> Hmmmmm_: i cant install java this is stupid manbrake 
[07:44] <Hmmmmm_> yes u can install java
[07:44] <Hmmmmm_> and mandrake is a wonderful distro
[07:44] <pero> *ror : Temporary failure in name resulation [fail]  
[07:44] <mteira> mdz: The offending error is 'usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in'
[07:44] <pero> waht ist this fail
[07:45] <Hmmmmm_> http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
[07:45] <Hmmmmm_> go here Gmail
[07:45] <mteira> mdz: In that fashion? nolapic noapic pci=noacpi acpi=off ?
[07:45] <mdz> mteira: first try nolapic only, and then in combination
[07:45] <Gmail> and i am d/l off the ftp
[07:45] <spiritz> Hi everyone
[07:45] <pero> *ror : Temporary failure in name resulation [fail]  
[07:45] <mteira> mdz: OK. 
[07:45] <mdz> spiritz: hi
[07:45] <kent> pero, dont repeat.
[07:46] <mteira> mdz: Thanks again.
[07:46] <kent> pero, Where does it come from?
[07:46] <mteira> mdz: But you're Zimmerman. :)
[07:46] <Hmmmmm_> well Gmaili think ftp will be choked for a while now
[07:46] <Gmail> can someone tell me the time AEST aka GMT +10
[07:46] <mteira> mdz: That letters 'mdz' remembered me something.
[07:46] <mteira> mdz: You're the one with the bug assigned, aren't you?
[07:46] <Gmail> manbrake doesnt allow the installtion of ntpdate
[07:46] <kent> pero, it looks sort of like a problem with DNS..
[07:46] <Gmail> stupid debian system hdd had to die :'(
[07:47] <plasmo> gmail: 3:47am?
[07:47] <Gmail> WWOLY MOLLY
[07:47] <Gmail> night
[07:47] <Gmail> i got school at 6am
[07:47] <mdz> mteira: that particular bug is not assigned to me, but that is my last name, yes
[07:47] <pero> kent, tahnk you
[07:47] <plasmo> lol
[07:47] <plasmo> nite ;)
[07:47] <spiritz> I'm trying to install the ATI video driver, but when I get to the module compilation, it returns : "XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver." "This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher."  "You can match this by getting Linux kernel 2.4.8 or higher." blablabla ... I'm using Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386... What did I miss ? :o
[07:48] <mteira> mdz: Perhaps I saw your last name somewhere.
[07:48] <Hmmmmm_> gmail u in a concentration camp? boy 6 AM... that's torture
[07:48] <mteira> mdz: Browsing the bugzilla.
[07:48] <mdz> quite likely
[07:48] <spiv> spiritz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:48] <spiv> spiritz: You shouldn't need to compile it yourself.
[07:48] <spiritz> thanks dude
[07:49] <Hmmmmm_> gmail do u hav a copy of knoppix somewhere?
[07:49] <spiritz> thanks for the tutorial, I'll follow it
[07:49] <plasmo> Quit: (Gmail)
[07:49] <Hmmmmm_> someone shud make a 4 MB BT live distro... boy that wud be so cool
[07:49] <plasmo> hes off ;)
[07:50] <mteira> mdz: With nolapic alone, hald hungs.
[07:50] <mteira> ps xa | grep hald
[07:50] <mteira> 3439  ?     Ds   0:00   /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[07:51] <mteira> Anyway, the system booted up with the scanner switched on.
[07:51] <mteira> But cat /proc/bus/usb/devices hangs.
[07:51] <sjoerd> mteira: hald hangs the same way as your cat then probably
[07:52] <mteira> I'm going to try with 'nolapic acpi=off'
[07:52] <mteira> sjoerd: Probably, but I'm not able to interpret properly the kernel stack for this processes.
[07:52] <Treenaks> whee torrent at 1.5 mbyte/sec
[07:52] <Treenaks> 2
[07:53] <mteira> sjoerd: The strange thing is that, this way, usb.rc didn't hang on startup.
[07:53] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, im jealous, im only getting 8.5k
[07:54] <alakdan> anyone here knows on what package is the DivX 4 codec for totem included? I cant play my avi files on totem
[07:54] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: shared colocation for EUR 20/month :)
[07:54] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, im on a 128 k dsl line
[07:55] <Hmmmmm_> in inida. and im paying the equivalent of $6/month
[07:56] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, u using the official torrent?
[07:59] <Hmmmmm_> Treenaks, u using the official torrent?
[07:59] <Treenaks> Hmmmmm_: yes
[07:59] <Treenaks> seeding at 300kbps now
[08:00] <Hmmmmm_> i hav 23 seeds and 64 peers
[08:01] <Treenaks> 19/245
[08:01] <Treenaks> uh
[08:01] <Treenaks> 19/45
[08:01] <mteira> mdz: I'm not able to find a working combination of those parameters.
[08:01] <mdz> mteira: please follow up to bugzilla with your findings
[08:01] <mteira> mdz: OK.
[08:01] <Hmmmmm_> im not too familiar with bt
[08:02] <Hmmmmm_> but is that a good ratio
[08:02] <ijuz> odd, the tracker is not good reachable from the university network
[08:02] <Hmmmmm_> or wud 64/23 be better?
[08:02] <Nonphasis> announcement hasn't hit "major" sites yet
[08:03] <kiko> hey buntoos
[08:03] <Nonphasis> I'm expecting more of "what's so special about ubuntu" ;-)
[08:03] <kiko> how's wednesday?
[08:04] <theine> Is there an unofficial Ubuntu package that contains all those w32 codecs?
[08:05] <theine> Or shall I just use a package from apt-get.org?
[08:05] <Treenaks> theine: apt-get.org has the 'marillat' ones?
[08:05] <Nonphasis> theine: that's the unofficial ubuntu package :)
[08:05] <kiko> hey
[08:05] <kiko> btw
[08:05] <dreamcatcher> kiko: 
[08:05] <kiko> does anyone know a solution to the fact that GNOME displays a c-cedil as ??
[08:05] <kiko> dreamcatcher, maybe>?
[08:06] <theine> I see, thanks
[08:06] <dreamcatcher> kiko: encoding?
[08:06] <theine> Treenaks, I think so, yes
[08:06] <kiko> dreamcatcher, no, it's a keymap/deadkeys issue. yours doesn't?
[08:06] <dreamcatcher> kiko: i dont use c-cedil :)
[08:06] <kiko> duderino, that's illegal in certain parts of the country
[08:06] <kiko> seb128 should help me
[08:08] <airmikey> so...hows ub
[08:08] <stratus> kiko, moo
[08:08] <carlos> kiko:  ?
[08:08] <kiko> hey stratus
[08:09] <kiko> 
[08:09] <stratus> kiko, :)
[08:09] <kiko> carlos?
[08:09] <carlos> kiko: c-cedil is  ?
[08:09] <stratus> carlos?
[08:09] <kiko> yes.
[08:09] <captine> does everyone in this channel use ubuntu linux??
[08:09] <stratus> oic
[08:09] <Treenaks> captine: I do
[08:09] <carlos> kiko: well, it works here :-)
[08:09] <kiko> carlos, using deadkeys in us_intl, I get ' + c -> 
[08:09] <dreamcatcher> mu
[08:10] <airmikey> i jus found out about it ...wndering how good it is
[08:10] <kiko> carlos, do you have some sort of XIM variable being set in /etc ?
[08:10] <carlos> kiko: I'm using a spanish keyboard
[08:10] <carlos> no
[08:10] <carlos> without deadkeys
[08:10] <kiko> carlos, that's the issue
[08:10] <dreamcatcher> im pretty sure my irssi used to display those characters correctly
[08:10] <carlos> kiko: is that a problem?
[08:10] <carlos> why?
[08:10] <captine> Treenaks, how good is it?
[08:11] <carlos> captine: I do
[08:11] <captine> how is it compared to distro's like slackware, cos that's what i'm using (slack 10
[08:11] <Treenaks> captine: I think it's so good that I'm almost a volunteer Ubuntu-salesman now :)
[08:11] <Treenaks> captine: I don't know slack, but I think it's way better than SuSE 9.1
[08:12] <Treenaks> captine: it's just very friendly
[08:12] <Treenaks> captine: and complete
[08:12] <plasmo> yep beats suse9.1 ;). i am ex suse9.1 user
[08:12] <Nonphasis> captine: main difference w/ slack is gnome focus
[08:12] <captine> Treenaks, shot.  I've ordered the cd's.  Will compare it to slack when it arrives.
[08:12] <Treenaks> plasmo: I'm stuck with s9.1 at work :( company policy
[08:12] <ijuz> uhm, i have some question
[08:12] <stratus> when the cd's will be shipped?
[08:12] <Treenaks> ijuz: file away
[08:12] <ijuz> what's about 32 bit support in the AMD64 version?
[08:12] <plasmo> :/
[08:12] <Treenaks> ijuz: I don't think it's there.. why
[08:12] <Treenaks> ?
[08:12] <kiko> carlos, with deadkeys it seems us_intl gives me  instead of cedil
[08:12] <captine> Nonphasis, must admit, I've fallen for KDE.  I'm not to keen to change again
[08:13] <Nonphasis> Treenaks: don't complain - most of us are stuck w/ win32 
[08:13] <ijuz> Treenaks: ok, useless
[08:13] <stratus> btw, what's warty-rc-live ?! a live cd?
[08:13] <Nonphasis> captine: I was a KDE head too, but Gnome in ubuntu has grown on me
[08:13] <calc> Nonphasis: yea gnome is great :)
[08:13] <Kamion> stratus: yes, still only release candidate status
[08:13] <Kamion> stratus: we'll be releasing it properly on Monday or os
[08:13] <Kamion> so
[08:13] <Eno_> when was warty released? today?
[08:14] <Nonphasis> Eno_: today
[08:14] <calc> Eno_: about 2hr ago
[08:14] <Kamion> Eno_: yes
[08:14] <DaNewB> Distros that finish with the sound "u" are all good, i.e. Ubuntu or Gentoo ;)
[08:14] <Eno_> ok
[08:14] <stratus> Kamion, sounds cool.
[08:14] <Treenaks> ijuz: useless? why do you need it?
[08:14] <carlos> kiko: I have a different key for '
[08:14] <Treenaks> ijuz: please tell, so it might be fixed
[08:14] <kiko> carlos, yeah.
[08:14] <captine> Nonphasis, how do u find Gnome for use with palms etc, and does it have a decent personal information manager?
[08:14] <ijuz> Treenaks: for all the Cadence eda stuff
[08:14] <Kamion> ijuz: we have ia32-libs, which provides some minimal support in /lib32
[08:15] <Treenaks> ijuz: what's that?
[08:15] <Nonphasis> captine: don't have palm, but evolution2 is decent
[08:15] <Kamion> (and /usr/lib32)
[08:15] <ijuz> Kamion: ok, i'll try in the next weeks
[08:15] <ijuz> Treenaks: hardware development software
[08:15] <captine> Nonphasis, does evolution2 come with it.  I've been battling to get Evolution installed in Slack 10
[08:15] <Eno_> it comes with it
[08:16] <Nonphasis> captine: yes, it's the deafult mail client
[08:16] <captine> great.  
[08:16] <Kamion> ijuz: for instance, our openoffice.org on amd64 runs 32-bit
[08:16] <captine> Nonphasis, stability wise, is it solid.
[08:16] <ijuz> Kamion: why that?
[08:16] <stratus> Kamion, i'm curious but a user will be able to install ubuntu through live cd, no right?
[08:16] <Nonphasis> captine: yes, extremely so
[08:17] <calc> ijuz: oo.o isn't 64bit clean
[08:17] <captine> Nonphasis, what do u use your linux box for??
[08:17] <Kamion> stratus: no
[08:17] <Kamion> stratus: the desktop only barely fits on the live CD, without any installation stuff ...
[08:17] <Eno_> btw, where can i get the ubuntu kernel sources? didn't show up on aptitude search. i need to recompile for high mem support and need them for vmware.
[08:17] <Kamion> ijuz: it no worky otherwise
[08:17] <Nonphasis> captine: no crashes on any sw in main so far. I use my linux bok as my desktop machine, se pretty much everything i do at home
[08:17] <meff> so am i right assuming you can't use universe on amd64? or are there seperate universes?
[08:17] <Kamion> Eno_: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[08:18] <Kamion> meff: incorrect, universe should work fine
[08:18] <Nonphasis> captine: including games like Enemy Territory
[08:18] <Eno_> Kamion: ahh, thank you. i only tried kernel-source
[08:18] <Kamion> meff: universe has architectures the same way main does
[08:18] <captine> Nonphasis, do u run apache or mysql?
[08:18] <ijuz> Kamion: ok
[08:18] <stratus> Kamion, np i was just dreaming about that.
[08:18] <Nonphasis> captine: no, this is a straight desktop machine
[08:18] <meff> Kamion: ahh.. any less packages in the amd64 universe since some don't compile right?
[08:18] <Nonphasis> captine: I'm actually ircing now from my "server" which is debian Sid
[08:19] <Kamion> meff: a few
[08:19] <captine> Nonphasis, does it used kernel from kernel.org, or are the majorly customized?
[08:19] <Kamion> meff: (don't know the details)
[08:19] <kiko> ha
[08:19] <Kamion> captine: see the debian/patches/ directory
[08:19] <Nonphasis> captine: majorly customized
[08:19] <kiko> carlos, dreamcatcher: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-portuguese/2003/07/msg00029.html
[08:19] <captine> Nonphasis, so getting a kernel from kernel.org and then compiling it is a mission?
[08:20] <Nonphasis> captine: no idea, I suppose they should work. of coulse you could get a kernel .deb from Whory Hedgehog when it opens...
[08:21] <Kamion> Hoary :-)
[08:21] <Nonphasis> yes, Hoary. whatever that means
[08:21] <captine> Nonphasis, lol.  I'm wanting to experiment with openmosix, so i need a 2.4 kernel (not the latest)
[08:21] <carlos> kiko: Hoary :-)
[08:21] <Kamion>   hoary
[08:21] <Kamion>        adj 1: showing characteristics of age, especially having gray or
[08:21] <Kamion>               white hair;
[08:21] <carlos> kiko: file a bug
[08:21] <Nonphasis> aha
[08:21] <TMIegel> hi |radio ^^ !
[08:22] <Nonphasis> don't have dict here, as I said I'm os Sid w/ Ion wm & the goods ;-)
[08:22] <|radio> moin
[08:22] <Nonphasis> is there some logic in Ubuntu naming conventios?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> I mean, what's the next char after H?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> of course it's a secret...
[08:24] <Kamion> not especially, just alliteration + names of animals
[08:24] <meff> do the vmware modules build cleanly against the ubuntu kernel?
[08:26] <kiko> carlos, will do
[08:26] <Red|Work> is ubuntu a good distro for a runlevel 3 server?
[08:26] <DeadlyNightshade> hey all
[08:26] <leonel> hey hey  hey  ubuntu is no more a preview release ?   
[08:27] <leonel> is released already ?
[08:27] <Nonphasis> leonel: true true true
[08:27] <plasmo> yes :)
[08:27] <clee> mako: ping
[08:27] <DeadlyNightshade> any of you know if the ubuntu cd ships with any kind of manuals or the like {not a computer person}
[08:28] <mteira> What is the [khubd]  process supposed to be?
[08:28] <leonel> Nonphasis: good good good  so   apt-get update and upgrade and i'll get  the release version ?
[08:28] <Nonphasis> actually, Ubuntu is "restricted" enough that books could be written about it, unlike Debian which is so "wide"
[08:28] <dreamcatcher> i think its a daemon that sends your credit card number to a small town in kazakistan
[08:28] <Nonphasis> leonel: pretty much
[08:29] <Kamion> Red|Work: runlevel 3 is a Red Hat-ism, runlevels 2/3/4/5 are identical in Debian-derived distributions
[08:29] <leonel> Nonphasis: thanks! 
[08:29] <plasmo> dreamcatcher: lol
[08:29] <DeadlyNightshade> Nonphasis: that didnt really help much
[08:29] <Nonphasis> DeadlyNightshade: I know. there is no book so far
[08:29] <DeadlyNightshade> a simple no would suffice
[08:29] <captine> lol
[08:30] <Nonphasis> DeadlyNightshade: I thought it was almost given ;-)
[08:30] <DeadlyNightshade> yeah, then again 'no' would be much easier to say
[08:30] <Kamion> DeadlyNightshade: I believe somebody is writing a book actually, but in the meantime see http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/
[08:30] <Red|Work> Kamion what is it in non redhatism?
[08:30] <Gigs2> So.. if I unstall ubuntu... I get naked pics free with it?
[08:30] <mxpxpod> is gcc 3.3 or 3.4 the default?
[08:30] <Gigs2> install rather :)
[08:30] <Kamion> Red|Work: "without X", I guess; and yes
[08:30] <Kamion> mxpxpod: 3.3
[08:31] <Red|Work> so you can't do like "telinit 5" to start gdm?
[08:31] <mxpxpod> Kamion: so, why does libgtkmm-2.4-dev install g++-3.4?
[08:31] <Red|Work> or xdm or whatever you're using?
[08:31] <cardador> Gigs2: not anymore
[08:31] <Kamion> Red|Work: '/etc/init.d/gdm start', which is rather more obvious
[08:31] <Kamion> mxpxpod: because it depends on it, I assume ...
[08:31] <mxpxpod> Kamion: :P
[08:31] <Red|Work> indeed. i was considering switching from FC1 to debian for longer release cycles
[08:31] <Red|Work> then i met ubuntu
[08:31] <mxpxpod> Kamion: why would it depend on it?
[08:31] <mxpxpod> Kamion: if 3.3 is the default
[08:32] <Kamion> mxpxpod: maybe it triggers a bug in gcc 3.3 or something? I have no idea
[08:32] <Kamion> mxpxpod: I'd suggest looking in its changelog
[08:32] <Gigs2> cardador: aww, I was specifically considering ubuntu for my corporation based on the old splash screen.  I guess it's just not for me after all.
[08:32] <Gigs2> :)
[08:32] <Gigs2> laters
[08:32] <Tzalidar> is there a way to update the gnome meny
[08:32] <Tzalidar> *menu
[08:33] <Kamion> Red|Work: we have short release cycles :)
[08:34] <mako> clee: whats up?
[08:34] <clee> mako: congrats on the release, for one :)
[08:34] <clee> mako: and where are my CDs? for two :)
[08:35] <mako> clee: dude, we released like an hour ago :)
[08:35] <clee> mako: so, where are my CDs? ;)
[08:35] <mako> clee: give us some time to let things settle, release a live cd, print them, and then ship them :)
[08:35] <DeadlyNightshade> clee: still sitting on them? :P
[08:36] <clee> mako: I see the liveCD already on the site
[08:36] <mako> clee: the liveCD is an RC i thought
[08:36] <DeadlyNightshade> clee: doesnt mean they are ready
[08:37] <clee> ahhh, ok, I was wrong. :)
[08:37] <mako> clee: there is a new live cd
[08:37] <MyKq3> hello how can i check which package will give me a missing file ( such as libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 )
[08:37] <DeadlyNightshade> see you all later, take care
[08:38] <ba\off> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png > what do you think 'bout it?
[08:38] <mako> clee: you're one of the first 10 packages leaving the cd shipment place :)
[08:38] <spiv> MyKq3: apt-file can do that,iirc.
[08:38] <clee> mako: sweet. you guys rock.
[08:38] <DeadlyNightshade> nice image for the pron folder ba\off 
[08:38] <ba\off> ahaha
[08:38] <ba\off> :D
[08:38] <spiv> MyKq3: Although in this case apt-cache search --names-only libstdc++ would probably be fruitful.
[08:39] <jully> any windows users here care to tell me what they think of ubuntu?
[08:40] <ba\off> I was windows user
[08:40] <TMIegel> does anybody know how many CD's will be shipped? would be interesting to know how many people have ordered one...
[08:40] <ba\off> and I love ubuntu
[08:40] <ba\off> asd
[08:40] <MyKq3> spiv,  y's that ?
[08:40] <spiv> MyKq3: It finds a bunch of packages, one of which probably has the file you need.
[08:41] <rsilva> Hello. If I longin and then out from gnome I get two dbus-daemon-1 running. One more if I do it again. Is this the expected behavior?
[08:41] <Kamion> ba\off: yow. does having to look at "video's" rather than "videos" not hurt your brain? :-)
[08:41] <jully> ba\off: how come?
[08:41] <MyKq3> then how can i know what package will give me this file (libstdc++)
[08:42] <Kamion> MyKq3: 19:38 < spiv> MyKq3: apt-file can do that,iirc.
[08:42] <ba\off> jully, use ubuntu, it pwns
[08:42] <MyKq3> Kamion,  yeah but it does not find me anyting =\
[08:43] <MyKq3> and google  have no relavent help for me
[08:43] <jully> ba\off: is it easy to use?
[08:43] <ba\off> jully, quiet, yes
[08:44] <rsilva> MyKq3: install apt-file. Then apt-file update && apt-file search <name of file>
[08:44] <MyKq3> thats the massage i get when i do apt-file apt-file libstdc++
[08:44] <MyKq3> bash: apt-file: command not found
[08:44] <MyKq3> rsilva,  thanks
[08:45] <mteira> MyKq3: apt-get
[08:45] <jully> MyKq3: sounds like you haven't installed apt-file
[08:45] <iz> apt-cache search file
[08:45] <jully> apt-get install apt-file
[08:46] <mteira> MyKq3: Excuse me.
[08:46] <spiv> MyKq3: Sorry, my advice was a bit too terse :)
[08:47] <captine> any of u run multiple monitors using a nvidia card in ubuntu?
[08:47] <Nonphasis> captine: I have monitor + tv
[08:47] <MyKq3> thank u all =D
[08:47] <captine> Nonphasis, how do the nvidia drivers work with ubuntu?
[08:47] <kiko> daniels, btw, if I used ATI-binary drivers, could I get my video output working?
[08:48] <Nonphasis> captine: well
[08:48] <Nonphasis> captine: ubuntu actually -hipls w/ nvidia drivers
[08:48] <Nonphasis> ships
[08:48] <captine> Nonphasis, what version of the drivers u running?  6110?
[08:49] <Nonphasis> captine: too lazy to check, whatever the driver is that ships w/ the distro... the path of least resistance 
[08:50] <captine> Nonphasis, does it come with a util to configure the monitor + tv, or did you manually configure xorg.conf?
[08:51] <Nonphasis> captine: I used my old config file from Debian
[08:51] <Nonphasis> http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200410201843
[08:51] <Nonphasis> (ubuntu related blog entry)
[08:53] <mxpxpod> how would I go about mapping the alt key on my ibook's keyboard to super and the apple key to alt?
[08:53] <DaNewB> Nonphasis: hmm.. maybe Debian should merge w/ Ubu, lol ?
[08:53] <GeosB> after i have try install ubuntu on danisk lang i not get update more
[08:54] <GeosB> is there no opdate the last 4 day
[08:54] <xinel> hello all
[08:54] <xinel> was wondering if anyone could tell me how i can get web surfing to work?
[08:55] <xinel> ive been reading through forums but so far haven't found anything
[08:55] <Nonphasis> I guess Debian *could* merge w/ Ubuntu, or rather become just the "Universe" package repo for Ubuntu...
[08:55] <DaNewB> xinel: i believe this usually works out of the box for most people, lol
[08:55] <xinel> bugger
[08:55] <Nonphasis> without actually releasing anything. Hell, it's like that already ;-)
[08:56] <DaNewB> xinel: or maybe I dont understand what u mean?
[08:57] <jully> xinel: have you connected to your ISP?
[08:57] <littlepaul> xinel, do you have problems with the name resolution?
[08:57] <xinel> well i try to type in a webby like google and it tells me google could not be found
[08:57] <xinel> i can get to my router
[08:57] <xinel> but not out of my network
[08:58] <xinel> this is my g/f's pc and we're connected into the same router
[08:58] <jully> get to your router - as in you can get to the webbased administration page on your router?
[08:58] <xinel> jully: yes
[08:58] <jully> by typing the ip address into the browser
[08:58] <xinel> yes
[08:58] <jully> mmmmm
[08:58] <littlepaul> what about? /etc/resolv.conf
[08:58] <Solkaris> howdy all
[08:58] <Nonphasis> xinel: dns problem?
[08:59] <jully> xinel: do you know how to use a terminal?
[08:59] <Nonphasis> xinel: can you ping ips outside your network?
[08:59] <xinel> jully: yes
[08:59] <jully> xinel: what do you get when you type: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[08:59] <xinel> Nonphasis: i haven't tried, i dunno an ip outside
[08:59] <xinel> brb 
[08:59] <Seveas> wooohoooooo finally got wifi + 802.1x + WPA working *dance, dance, dance*
[08:59] <kamme> hello, I bought a new usb stick and I can't get it to work... Automount won't mount it and when I try to mount it manually it sais that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist... Any solutions?
[09:00] <Seveas> (soory for the disturbance :))
[09:00] <kamme> congrats Seveas ;)
[09:00] <Nonphasis> google.fi has address 216.239.57.104
[09:00] <Seveas> tnx kamme
[09:00] <jully> that's pretty cool Seveas
[09:00] <xinel> jully: xinel.com.au
[09:00] <xinel> Nonphasis: will try now
[09:01] <Seveas> indeed, now to do it in a *neat* way instead of some hacking and i'll write a WikiPage about it
[09:02] <jully> xinel: is that all?
[09:02] <xinel> jully: yes
[09:03] <xinel> Nosphasis: i get no packet loss when i ping 216.239.57.104
[09:03] <jully> cool - sounds like you just have a dns issue xinel
[09:04] <kamme> so noone has any advice for me? :|
[09:04] <jully> did you configure the gateway/ip stuff manually?
[09:04] <xinel> jully: yes
[09:04] <xinel> it didn't pick it up in the installation
[09:04] <jully> and on your gf's pc?
[09:04] <dgtl> hi everyone
[09:04] <afonit> kamme: I have the same problem
[09:04] <afonit> so I have not come up with a solution yet either
[09:05] <kamme> heh
[09:05] <dgtl> anyone know how to get GCC 3.4.4 running on ubuntu? i've selected all the packages but i still got 3.3.4 running
[09:05] <jully> xinel: did you also configure the gateway/ip stuff manually on your gf's pc?
[09:05] <jully> or is that auto?
[09:05] <kamme> well, i cat'ted /proc/bus/usb/devices and there my usb stick doesnt even show up
[09:05] <xinel> hrmms
[09:05] <xinel> brb
[09:05] <__daniel> jully, export cc=/usr/bin/gcc-<number>
[09:06] <__daniel> jully, export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-<number>
[09:06] <jully> __daniel: ?
[09:07] <comfrey> so, it is not recomended to use debian packages with ubuntu, yes?
[09:08] <__daniel> jully, try   export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4   
[09:08] <__daniel> jully, and then compile your stuff
[09:08] <tuukkah> where could I find out if there were any interesting changes in the live cd rc after yesterday?
[09:08] <kamme> afonit, do you have an usb hub?
[09:08] <comfrey> i am wanting to run ubuntu as a LTSP box, but i am wanting munin to do usage logging
[09:08] <jully> __daniel: we're not compiling anything
[09:08] <jully> we're configuring networking
[09:08] <comfrey> and i would prefer to stick with packages
[09:08] <__daniel> jully, oh sorry
[09:08] <__daniel> jully, i meant dgtl
[09:09] <__daniel> dgtl,  export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-<number>
[09:09] <jully> lol no problem
[09:09] <dgtl> ok thnkas
[09:09] <dgtl> s/thnkas/thx
[09:09] <dgtl> :D
[09:09] <comfrey> i may just stick with sarge
[09:09] <comfrey> but i dig ubuntu
[09:09] <afonit> kamme: just a removable usb drive
[09:10] <tritium> evolution-exchange doesn't know how to authenticate with my Exchange 2003 server at all
[09:10] <kamme> afonit, ok, because when I plug in my usb stick in my usb hub, it is mounted automaticly... But I have a laptop and I cant always carry my usb hub, so...
[09:11] <Nonphasis> comfrey: it's not in Universe?
[09:11] <xinel> mmm
[09:11] <comfrey> hmm, interesting.  i will take a look.
[09:11] <xinel> its working now
[09:11] <xinel> thanx for the help all
[09:11] <afonit> kamme: i see 4.1 is now offically relleased, I am going to download?>burn>install and see if that fixes my issue
[09:11] <xinel> i forgot to add the ip address of the dns server :/
[09:11] <kamme> well, I'm going to wait ;)
[09:12] <xinel> am a nob sometimes :/
[09:12] <afonit> ya, my stick doesn't even mount
[09:12] <Nonphasis> xinel: typical mistake
[09:12] <mxpxpod> is there a way to start pmud w/o having sleep support in the kernel?
[09:12] <comfrey> Nonphasis: is there a packages index i can get to from the web?
[09:12] <kamme> afonit, besides, I think if you comment out all your other apt-get sources and do an apt-get update | apt-get dist-upgrade you will have the latest packages too
[09:12] <Nonphasis> comfrey: just uncomment the universe line in apt sources
[09:12] <jully> xinel: no problem :)
[09:13] <xinel> so far so good :)
[09:13] <xinel> ubuntu is pretty slick
[09:13] <jully> at this time of the morning it happens to the best of us
[09:13] <jully> i still haven't tried it yet
[09:13] <comfrey> Nonphasis: yeah, i dont have it up and running now
[09:13] <afonit> kamme:  I was not aware that you could do that, I came from fedora core where they recommended a clean wipe each new fccore
[09:13] <jully> i might check it out when i get my new machine
[09:13] <Nonphasis> comfrey: what's the package name, I'll check
[09:13] <comfrey> munin
[09:14] <kamme> afonit, well, you could do that too, but still... but you should always backup your data, sometimes a dist-update can go terrebly wrong... :|
[09:14] <afonit> haha,yes, i can imagine
[09:14] <Nonphasis> comfrey: damn, forgot that I'm on my Sarge machine right now
[09:14] <kamme> heh, I found out the hard way ;)
[09:15] <comfrey> heh,  a tale of two cities.
[09:15] <Nonphasis> someonu else care to do apt-cache search munin?
[09:15] <xinel> fedora recently diaf for me so i dl ubuntu on my g/f pc and installed it about an hour ago
[09:15] <xinel> :P
[09:16] <mdz> comfrey:      munin | 0+1.0.0pre5-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[09:16] <kamme> are the ubuntu apt-get packages all updated?
[09:16] <comfrey> mdz: Thanks much.  this gives me hope.
[09:16] <MyKq3> http://catcode.com/teachmod/chmod_1.html ????? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ? ??
[09:16] <mdz> comfrey: universe has everything from Debian sid which didn't fail to compile
[09:16] <MyKq3> ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ?????? ( ?? ???? ??? )
[09:16] <lucas_> Hi, I have small problem. Dell Latitude CPi (that's an old laptop). touchpad worked with debian unstable, but doesn't with ubuntu (I can move the cursor, but I can't click by hitting the touchpad). tested with the same XF86 config file as the one I used with sid.
[09:17] <comfrey> so stability is not guaranteed
[09:17] <comfrey> nor security
[09:17] <Nonphasis> comfrey: exactly
[09:18] <Treenaks> MyKq3: what's with that page?
[09:18] <Nonphasis> comfrey: that's the price you've got to pay :)
[09:18] <jully> stability and security are never guaranteed
[09:18] <MyKq3> sorry =\  
[09:18] <jully> there's no such thing as invulnerable security or a bug-free program
[09:18] <MyKq3> i can't c the code ....
[09:18] <kamme> afonit, I'm doing a dist-update now (I only reinstalled ubuntu monday), I'll tell you if my usb stick works, then you can do it too (it's about 30Mb to d/l)
[09:18] <comfrey> ok, well for just a LTSP box, i think i am willing to run a small number of untrusted packages
[09:19] <comfrey> especitally if the desktop is solid as it appears to be
[09:19] <comfrey> solid and simple.
[09:20] <comfrey> not that gnome is not bigger than some, but is a good balance of elagance
[09:20] <comfrey> and simplicity
[09:21] <Nonphasis> well, Gnome and KDE just seem to be the way Linux is going, so that's where the action will be
[09:22] <Nonphasis> other wm's aren't really moving forward, which might also be a good thing
[09:23] <mrjive> ciao *
[09:24] <kamme> afonit, you do want to upgrade, my usb stick works now :D
[09:24] <speel> Hey how do you add fonts?
[09:25] <xinel> anybody know how i can set up root password?
[09:25] <speel> ur root pw is ur user pw
[09:25] <Nonphasis> xinel: you should *not* set a root passwd unless you have a very good reason
[09:25] <mrjive> speel: sudo su
[09:25] <mrjive> and then passwd
[09:25] <Solkaris> wow .. dist-update completely screws video playback 
[09:25] <speel> Hey how do you add fonts?
[09:25] <afonit> kamme: cool
[09:26] <kamme> afonit, did you touch /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:26] <Nonphasis> speel: fonts:/// in nautilus i think
[09:26] <Solkaris> and WHY is Totem-gstream a requirement for Ubuntu Desktop package? 
[09:26] <kamme> (ie, added another server)
[09:26] <speel> yea but it wont let me drag a font in there
[09:26] <afonit> kamme:  not yet, just got some things at work gotta take care of before I can tackle that
[09:26] <xinel> Nonphasis: my reason is it was asking me for one and everything i typed wasn't accepted
[09:26] <Nonphasis> hmm
[09:27] <Ng> speel: you should be able to put ttf fonts in ~/.fonts/
[09:27] <Nonphasis> xinel: are you sure it wasn't asking for your normal user pwd?
[09:27] <xinel> yessum
[09:27] <mrjive> Ng: really? nice to know ;)
[09:27] <xinel> typed it in and it didn't work
[09:27] <kamme> afonit, well, don't touch it yet, just do a: apt-get update | apt-get dist-update
[09:27] <Ng> xinel: what was asking for the root pw?
[09:27] <Solkaris> anyone know how we can rip totem-gstreamer out without uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package?
[09:27] <Ng> mrjive: :)
[09:27] <kamme> dist-upgrade even
[09:28] <afonit> kamme:  thaks for the tip, I will get that started
[09:28] <mdz> Solkaris: because totem-gstreamer is unencumbered
[09:28] <kamme> afonit, no problem
[09:28] <mrjive> anyone knows if a good cdburning app is planned to be included in the default cd?
[09:28] <mdz> Solkaris: and you can't; that's part of the point of the ubuntu-desktop package.  and if you don't want that exact set of packages installed, feel free to remove it; it doesn't serve any other purpose
[09:28] <Nonphasis> does totem-gst conflict w/ sth?
[09:28] <Solkaris> mdz I dont care if its unencumbered it doesnt f'ing work .. unencumbered and broken = useless
[09:29] <mdz> Solkaris: easy now
[09:29] <xinel> Ng: was something to do with networking, i forget now
[09:29] <jmarsden> Anyone know how Ubuntu installs/runs on low-RAM machines?  Like 96MB RAM on an old 233MHz notebook?  I realize that Gnome will be slow, but will it install and basically work, just slowly, or is it not worth trying?
[09:29] <Nonphasis> jmarsden: I wouldn't do it
[09:29] <Solkaris> mdz I went from a working system with full multimedia support .. apt-get dist-upgrade = broken multimedia 
[09:29] <Nonphasis> jmarsden: there are better suited distros for crappy machines
[09:30] <Ng> xinel: that's quite strange. if you could figure out what it was, or do it again, that would be handy to know. otherwise set a root passwd if you have to
[09:30] <Nonphasis> jmarsden: plain old debian might work better
[09:30] <mdz> Solkaris: I would find that very surprising
[09:30] <mdz> Solkaris: given that ubuntu-desktop has depended on totem-gstreamer from the moment it first existed
[09:30] <jmarsden> Nonphasis: OK, thanks.
[09:31] <xinel> Ng: how do i set one up?, im trying to work out what it was as well now
[09:31] <Ng> jmarsden: check out something like xfce if you want a desktop lighter than gnome, but still gnome-like
[09:31] <lucas_> could an ubuntu dev help with a X/touchpad problem ? (worked with debian unstable, doesn't with ubuntu)
[09:31] <Ng> xinel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:31] <Solkaris> mdz I followed the instructions on the ubuntu website to get totem-xine installed before .. thanks your suprise.. but that doesnt change the fact that now I am FORCED to use a piece of broken software and don't have anyway to remove that ONE broken package without ripping other stuff out
[09:32] <Nonphasis> xfce is pretty heavy as well
[09:32] <Ng> Nonphasis: I just said it was lighter, I didn't say it was light ;)
[09:32] <jmarsden> Ng: Yes, I've used icwem and fluxbox on similarly old machines before...
[09:32] <xinel> Ng: thanx
[09:32] <Ng> jmarsden: ah cool :)
[09:32] <Nonphasis> xfce was actually no faster than kde3.3 on my ppro200
[09:32] <Solkaris> whats contained in ubuntu desktop package
[09:33] <lucas_> Solkaris: nothing, it's a meta package to install all packages needed for a desktop machine
[09:33] <Solkaris> thank you lucas
[09:34] <mrjive> i'd like to count italian users and see if it is reasonable to start the italian speaking ml...
[09:34] <mrjive> maybe the best thing is to send a message to the users ml...
[09:35] <Nonphasis> Solkaris: does t-gst prevent t-xine from working?
[09:36] <Solkaris> Nonphasis if you install one it removes the other .. so yes t-gst prevents t-xine install thus you get t-gst the broken gnome app that will not die
[09:36] <Nonphasis> Solkaris: this happened today?
[09:37] <Solkaris> Nonphasis I got it working again by allowing t-xine to install by removing ubuntu-desktop .. everything works again
[09:37] <Solkaris> Nonphasis yep with dist-upgrade
[09:38] <Nonphasis> hmm... I hope those who install the full distro don't get the same prob
[09:38] <mrjive> ok see you later :)
[09:38] <Nonphasis> I did normal upgrade today but didn't try vid playback
[09:40] <kamme> Nonphasis, I did a dist-upgrade and video is still not working here
[09:40] <della> hi
[09:40] <della> I updated from sarge to warty
[09:41] <della> now I have got a strange problem: I can't mount anymore partitions from hdb* even if those in hda* are alive and well
[09:41] <__daniel> della, what does it say?
[09:41] <Nonphasis> della: is it by any chance a sata drive?
[09:42] <della> mount: /dev/hdb5 already mounted or /space busy
[09:43] <jully> della: what do you see when you: mount | grep /space
[09:43] <zepo> is gone out the final ubuntu!?
[09:43] <zepo> is it ready?
[09:43] <Nonphasis> zepo: gone out it is
[09:43] <Treenaks> zepo: yes, look at topic
[09:43] <ElVirolo> hi there
[09:43] <__daniel> della, lsof | grep -E "(/space|/dev/hdb5)"
[09:43] <della> jully: nothing... it's not mounted
[09:43] <DaNewB> zepo: you're not dreaming ;)
[09:43] <__daniel> della, there you see, what's "blocking" it
[09:43] <zepo> :-O tnx
[09:43] <zepo> ;-)
[09:44] <della> __daniel: nothing :-/
[09:44] <__daniel> della, wow, that's strange
[09:44] <ElVirolo> it there an "unstable" branch of ubuntu which I can apt-get dist-upgrade to?
[09:45] <Ng> xinel: was it clicking the "Configure" button in the Network Tools?
[09:45] <Ng> that just asked me for the root pw
[09:45] <__daniel> ElVirolo, no
[09:45] <ElVirolo> __daniel : ok thanks :)
[09:45] <__daniel> :-)
[09:45] <ElVirolo> so what are the daily snapshots for?
[09:46] <__daniel> ElVirolo, where do you see them?
[09:46] <LeeColleton> is there some way to have an ubuntu install disk test itself?
[09:46] <ElVirolo> __daniel: umm, just wait a sec
[09:47] <doubletwist> anyone here use ubuntu on a dual G4?
[09:47] <ElVirolo> there, for instance :
[09:47] <ElVirolo> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[09:47] <Ng> LeeColleton: not sure, but if you have an OS installed you could md5sum the disc and check with the published md5s
[09:47] <della> Nonphasis: how can I see if it is sata? anyway, I guess not... it's one year old
[09:47] <__daniel> ElVirolo, these are live-cds
[09:48] <Nonphasis> della: well, you would know if it was SATA
[09:48] <ElVirolo> __daniel: aaah, I see
[09:48] <LeeColleton> Ng: my crappy firewire cd burner keeps getting data errors when I try to md5sum it, although it appears to have written the images properly
[09:48] <ElVirolo> thank you :)
[09:48] <Ng> LeeColleton: doh :(
[09:48] <della> ok
[09:49] <della> I've got a friend working on it via ssh... let's see
[09:49] <__daniel> bye... see you later
[09:49] <della> anyway the problem happened after I installed ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[09:49] <ElVirolo> ok then, bye guys
[09:49] <della> so, I guess it can be some new daemon
[09:49] <ElVirolo> and thanks
[09:49] <della> the kernel is the same as before
[09:49] <Nonphasis> della: yes, Hal perhaps
[09:50] <della> Nonphasis: already tried killing it
[09:50] <della> and removing the package and rebooting after that
[09:50] <Nonphasis> della: why not try the new kernel?
[09:50] <doubletwist> Anyone? Bueller? :)
[09:50] <della> Nonphasis: I need custom drivers for my DSL modem
[09:50] <della> and I'm too lazy to recompile it now
[09:50] <Nonphasis> della: oh, too bad. 
[09:51] <Nonphasis> announcement on osnews now
[09:51] <iminj> Hi: I'm a NOOB trying to install warty. Why can't I get an address by DHCP ? I am connected to ethernet port of a D-Link router (624). I get DHCP in Win98 with this set-up.
[09:52] <jully> iminj: can you use command line / terminal?
[09:52] <doubletwist> iminj: It might not have properly detected your network card.
[09:52] <iminj> yes, but not at the moment
[09:52] <iminj> what should i try at command?
[09:53] <doubletwist> iminj: you can see if  "ifconfig -a" shows eth0
[09:53] <iminj> thanks, i'll try it later
[09:53] <doubletwist> among other things.
[09:54] <iminj> should i therefore look for manual network setup using terminal?
[09:54] <doubletwist> iminj: it depends on if it detected your nic or not.
[09:54] <iminj> got it ..
[09:54] <doubletwist> Do you know what chipset your network card uses?
[09:55] <iminj> dunno
[09:55] <iminj> not at that pc at the moment
[09:56] <iminj> I'll be back with answers to the 2 questions ... let's see if we can solve this ... bye 4 now
[09:57] <doubletwist> ok
[09:57] <doubletwist> good luck :)
[09:58] <baHam> hey
[09:58] <baHam> kde 3 on ubuntu ?
[09:58] <kamme> Nonphasis, I just got video, try adding the debian unstable apt source and apt-get vlc
[09:58] <baHam> 3.3
[09:59] <mdz> lucas_: ubuntu includes and uses the synaptics touchpad driver by default
[09:59] <lucas_> ok, but only if loaded in the XF86 config file, right ?
[09:59] <lucas_> I wasn't using it in debian
[09:59] <lucas_> and it worked
[10:00] <Ng> hehe, the torrent is getting more popular
[10:00] <mdz> lucas_: right, you asked if there was something different, and there is
[10:00] <lucas_> ok but I tried with my debian's config
[10:00] <lucas_> and it still doesnt work
[10:01] <doubletwist> Ooh, I've got a GOOD box for the torrent, I guess I should start that so everyone has a fat pipe to pull from :)
[10:01] <xinel> Ng: might have been
[10:01] <baHam> so there no 3.3 kde for ubuntu ?
[10:01] <Ng> xinel: I was going to say report a bug, but someone has already :)
[10:01] <lucas_> I can't switch back to debian to rule out hardware problems since I installed ubuntu instead of debian
[10:01] <kamme> baHam, nope, gnome
[10:03] <doubletwist> Sweet....
[10:03] <doubletwist> Got ubuntu going on my Dual G4... 
[10:03] <doubletwist> Well...my work dual g4 anyway... never even bothered to learn OSX ...
[10:04] <mirak_-> its good stuff
[10:05] <doubletwist> I'm getting a pretty pathetic download speed onthe i386 torrent :(
[10:06] <Sirius_Black> guys - i have a little (big) problem with printing from firefox, everything is so big when printed out.  Has anyone come accross this before.  All other apps print without this problem
[10:06] <Ng> doubletwist: did you only just start it? they tend to pick up after a bit I find
[10:06] <s7s> Where can i get ALOT of themes for ubuntu? ;)
[10:07] <Ng> s7s: art.gnome.org or www.gnome-look.org
[10:07] <lucas_> s7s: art.gnome.org
[10:07] <hubs> Sirius_Black, same little big problem here using mozilla
[10:07] <doubletwist> Well I did, but the downloads of the amd64 & ppc torrents are coming along nicely [700KB & 200KB respectively] . I'm only getting 12KB on the i386...
[10:07] <s7s> Thanks :)
[10:08] <doubletwist> That's all KB/sec
[10:08] <Ng> doubletwist: doh, could be because it's the most popular
[10:08] <Ng> I'm uploading as fast as I can to help ;)
[10:08] <doubletwist> Ng Except with torrents, the more popular, the faster it is supposed to go.
[10:08] <Ng> doubletwist: that doesn't take into account that most people have lots more downstream than upstream
[10:08] <doubletwist> At least that's what I thought the whole point of torrents was :) I could be wrong.
[10:09] <Ng> that is *supposed* to be the point of torrents :)
[10:09] <mdz> doubletwist: perhaps your amd64 and powerpc downloads are hogging the available bandwidth
[10:09] <doubletwist> Ok, it is starting to pick up a little... 
[10:09] <doubletwist> mdz: no I started the i386 download by itself first, and waited awhile.
[10:11] <doubletwist> Ok, well the amd & ppc iso's should be done here in about 5 minutes anyway.
[10:12] <ogra> hi all, happy warty party ;-)
[10:12] <s7s> hmm...Couldn?t really find what i?m looking for(an acid green kind?a theme) :)
[10:12] <CraHan> hi, is there anything specific one needs to change to get a usb DVDburner to work?N
[10:12] <CraHan> nautilus cd-burner keeps erroring :/
[10:12] <mirak_-> s7s, for gnome??...did you check gnome-look?
[10:13] <CraHan> the dvdburner is set to /dev/sr0
[10:13] <Sirius_Black> hubs: any idea why?
[10:13] <CraHan> but cdrecord can't find it
[10:13] <CraHan> cdrecord -scanbus doesn't find it
[10:14] <Despair> hmm, no cdrdao package on amd64?
[10:14] <s7s> mirak_, i can only install the metathemes and there aren?t many of them
[10:14] <Sirius_Black> why do i get BIG print outs with firefox and also hubs is getting them with mozilla.  has anyone had this problem
[10:14] <ogra> CraHan: try a "sudo modprobe sg"
[10:14] <hubs> Sirius_Black, not really but it didn't really bother me
[10:14] <Ng> can gksudo pass arguments to the command its running?
[10:14] <CraHan> ogra, k
[10:14] <CraHan> ogra: much better :)
[10:15] <CraHan> ogra: is there a way to setup hal to load that module when I connect the usb writer?
[10:15] <ogra> CraHan: shouldn't do no harm to add it to /etc/modules
[10:15] <CraHan> ok
[10:15] <CraHan> ogra: nautilus cd-burner still fails though :/
[10:16] <ogra> CraHan: try logout/in
[10:16] <CraHan> cdrecord: invalid argument.  Cannot get SCSI I/O Buffer
[10:16] <CraHan> ok
[10:16] <CraHan> doing that now
[10:17] <hubs> Sirius_Black, do you have warty preview or final ?
[10:17] <CraHan> ogra: no change unfortunately
[10:18] <Sirius_Black> hubs: preview which i then dist-upgarded to sid
[10:18] <CraHan> the debug output also says: Open by devname is unintentional and unsupported
[10:18] <baHam> hey yo
[10:18] <Sirius_Black> but the big printout problem was there even before i dist upgraded to sid
[10:18] <baHam> hm...
[10:18] <ffddsfds> HELLO can someone tell me if i can use the new kernel 2.6.9 with ubuntu??
[10:18] <baHam> nevermind
[10:18] <hubs> Sirius_Black, would be interesting if someone has the same with warty final
[10:18] <telemaco> hi people , where is the ubuntu apt repository ?
[10:18] <baHam> ffddsfds, www.kernel.org download the kernel and compile it
[10:19] <maruko-work> does the new 4.10 release come with x.org 6.8.1?
[10:19] <kurros> maruko-work, XFree86 4.3.99
[10:19] <baHam> maruko-work, yeah, the hoary hedgehog will use x.org 6.8.1 and gnome 3.0
[10:19] <lucas_> maruko-work: no, xfree 4.3 with a lot of x.org backports
[10:19] <tseng> who said anything about gnome 3.0
[10:19] <tseng> 2.10 is next up kids.
[10:19] <maruko-work> wth, gnome 3.0?
[10:19] <baHam> hm 2.10 then
[10:19] <baHam> :>
[10:19] <maruko-work> ahh, 2.10
[10:20] <maruko-work> i'm very much looking forward to it
 how can i do that ??? is it comppatible with ubuntu??
[10:20] <maruko-work> but i think 2.10 is a long way off
[10:20] <s7s> ex: i want to install this theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14642 - but i can?t.
[10:20] <baHam> ffddsfds, kernels are compatible with ubuntu, yes
[10:20] <doubletwist> So are there no restricted modules for powerpc?
[10:20] <baHam> ffddsfds, it is a difficult process, go and read some fuckin manuals
[10:20] <baHam> tseng, you on ubuntu devel team ?
[10:20] <tseng> not exactly
[10:20] <baHam> what does that mean ?
[10:20] <tseng> but I would appreciate if you would refrain from abusive language.
[10:21] <maruko-work> how is the desktop responsiveness of ubunto compared to fc2?
[10:21] <mirak_-> s7s, tis a nice theme....but I cant help ya
[10:21] <xinel> anybody know how to allow ntp support?
[10:21] <tseng> i do some development work, but im not on any official team
[10:21] <xinel> maruko-work: is faster
[10:21] <maruko-work> xinel: which one?
[10:21] <xinel> ubuntu
[10:21] <kurros> xinel, install ntp-simple
[10:21] <baHam> tseng, uh.. I am just gettin' to the translations team
[10:21] <maruko-work> and all multimedia stuff is installed by default?
[10:21] <hubs> Sirius_Black, did you try playing araound with edit/preferences/appearance/fonts ?
[10:22] <Nonphasis> maruko-work: mm stuff isn't installed as default, you need some stuff from marillat
[10:22] <ogra> CraHan: hmm
[10:22] <xinel> kurros: thanx
[10:22] <s7s> Is it possible to install this theme in ubuntu:  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14642
[10:23] <CraHan> ogra: indeed :)
[10:23] <maruko-work> is there any way to install x.org 6.8.1 instead of xfree?
[10:24] <Nonphasis> maruko-work: sounds like you want gentoo
[10:24] <nictuku> hi! will you guys create language specific mailing lists? like portuguese
[10:24] <maruko-work> oh my, gentoo is a nightmare
[10:24] <scotth> so I'm having a slight problem with synaptic... in that I can't get it to display any packages in the package list no matter what I do... anyone heard of this?
[10:25] <Nonphasis> maruko-work: yeah, but judging from how wuch you want to "customize"
[10:25] <Nonphasis> maruko-work: install hoary when it is opened
[10:25] <maruko-work> why did ubuntu choose to go with xfree instead of x.org?
[10:25] <spiv> nictuku: There's already German, Spanish and French mailing lists.
[10:25] <Nonphasis> maruko-work: it was already in Debian
[10:25] <spiv> nictuku: (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/lists)
[10:26] <ogra> maruko-work: not marture enough...waIT HALF A YEAR
[10:26] <Nonphasis> xorg was the reason I left Fedora :)
[10:26] <ogra> CraHan: NO IDEAS ANYMORE :-( SORRY.....
[10:26] <telemaco> can anyone said me which is the url of the ubuntu's repository ?
[10:26] <CraHan> ogra: no problem :)
[10:26] <ogra> oops
[10:26] <spiv> nictuku: Also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local
[10:26] <ogra> sorry for the shouting
[10:26] <maruko-work> Half a yeare is too long!!! Gimme Gimme Gimme Now Now Now!!! ;)
[10:27] <mirak_-> is xorg gonna be default...or can I still use xfree??
[10:28] <ogra> maruko-work: i hink you can use unstable/hoary in some days....but as said, unstable ....
[10:28] <maruko-work> hehe
[10:28] <nictuku> thanks spif.
[10:28] <maruko-work> how does one update/install packages? with apt?
[10:28] <nictuku> spiv
[10:29] <mirak_-> maruko-workm sudo apt-get update
[10:29] <wvukro> maruko-work: use synaptic
[10:29] <mirak_-> maruko-workm sudo apt-get install <whatever>
[10:29] <scotth> nevermind, deleting /root/.synaptic fixed it
[10:29] <scotth> hey wvukro good to see you here too
[10:29] <wvukro> scotth: fancy seeing you here
[10:29] <mirak_-> maruko-workm or yes...synaptic will work
[10:29] <nictuku> then how can I ask one to create ubuntu-pt mailing list?
[10:29] <maruko-work> where can I get a list of repositories for synaptic
[10:30] <mirak_-> maruko-work, could you repeat the question?
[10:30] <wvukro> maruko-work: Settings-Repositories
[10:30] <maruko-work> wvukro: thanks
[10:30] <wvukro> in the synaptic menu
[10:30] <scotth> wvukro, nothing like avoiding work and lounging in #ubuntu... I just hope my asshole boss doesnt find out
[10:30] <warty> hello everyone
[10:30] <mirak_-> scotth, I do that everyday...mon thru fri
[10:31] <ogra> hey warty, you got released today ;-)
[10:31] <mirak_-> ogra,rolf
[10:31] <spiv> nictuku: iirc, jdub is in charge of mailing lists... try pinging him on irc, or perhaps ask about it on the ubuntu-users list?
[10:31] <scotth> mirak_-, wvukro is my boss...
[10:31] <mirak_-> scothh, sorry...gues im not on the inside
[10:31] <tritium> Does the evo-exchange in ubuntu authenticate properly with Exchange 2003 servers?  The one in debian does not.
[10:32] <warty> well, i-m a linux newbie
[10:32] <ogra> warty: we all know *g*
[10:32] <mirak_-> ?
[10:32] <warty> i-m just trying the ubuntu live cd
[10:32] <nictuku> I' scared of ubuntu-users ehe. I'll try Jeff directly them. thanks
[10:32] <xinel> grrg ntp-simple dun wanna change ma time
[10:32] <scotth> mirak_-, all good
[10:32] <nictuku> s/them/then/
[10:32] <mirak_-> scothh, kk
[10:33] <ogra> warty: just kidding.... how do you like ubuntu ?
[10:33] <warty> someone can tell me if it-s possible to install ubuntu from the live cd? and how
[10:33] <Severian> Howdy.  I have a Compaq Ipaq.  Will Warty be likely to install on it?  If there is a problem, I would expect it to be the Intel 810 video.  Some distro's don't handle that.  I have looked on the Ubuntu website and I have not found an answer.  Thanks.
[10:34] <Nonphasis> warty: why not install from normal cd?
[10:35] <warty> cause i have to download it *damn i didnt configured the key board... i cant find the right symbols
[10:36] <DaNewB> warty: it's worth getting the install CD cause the liveCD is based on an older version anyways..
[10:36] <warty> ok
[10:36] <warty> no prob
[10:36] <warty> i'll download it
[10:37] <warty> cause i tried to let Debian work... but xserver didn't start
[10:37] <nictuku> warty was is your video board?
[10:37] <warty> so friends suggested ubuntu
[10:37] <mrk> hello
[10:37] <warty> ati radeon 9100
[10:37] <ogra> warty: you could order it....but there's always the prob with the patience ;-)
[10:38] <mrk> anyone get a prism2_usb wireless card working?
[10:38] <warty> ogra: no problem... i can download it. i got dsl
[10:38] <nictuku> when will they start shipping the warty` cd's? :)
[10:38] <scotth> mrk, I had it working under debian... only periferally tried under ubuntu and it didn't work
[10:39] <scotth> let me try harder
[10:39] <mrk> ok
[10:39] <mrk> i have a Microsoft MN-510
[10:39] <ogra> warty: for pressed ones ... http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[10:39] <TMIegel> can't get the live-cd starting, it doesn't find the morphix filesystem after the first menu
[10:39] <TMIegel> i am booting from a usb-cdrom
[10:39] <mrk> trying to get to an ad-hoc wireless network
[10:39] <will> anyone knowledgeable on Parellel Ports in LINUX here?
[10:39] <cblack> is there a place to browse what packages available ala packages.debian.org?
[10:40] <ogra> cblack: synaptic ?
[10:41] <cblack> ogra: er. synaptic != anything approximating an online browseable dirrctory. :)
[10:42] <lucas_> cblack: to my knowledge, there isn't
[10:42] <scotth> mrk, yeah, something about the wlan-ng drivers are messed up a bit... I'm looking into it
[10:43] <mrk> i see
[10:43] <tvon|x31> So, Hoary work starts soon eh?
[10:43] <Ng> is it bad form (or even possible) to mark bugs as duplicates in bugzilla? should I leave a comment saying it's a duplicate? email the assignee? :)
[10:43] <mrk> yeah, i've been looking
[10:43] <warty> i think i'll install ubuntu, but can someone help me with my prob with debian? i installed debian, installed the musts with tasksel, i installed the ati vga module (fglrx), and compiled the last kernel... now trying to startx (xserver-xfree86) it says that the module of vga (either fglrx and vesa same problem)
[10:43] <cblack> lucas_: darn. 
[10:43] <warty> PS. sorry for my english
[10:43] <ogra> cblack: yep... you can use synaptic offline, thats true :)
[10:43] <warty> i'm italian
[10:43] <doubletwist> will: I've used one in linux before. But never had to do anything off-the wall with one, so I don't know if I'll be any help with your pport problem.
[10:44] <lucas_> warty: install ubuntu. chances are high it will work out of the box
[10:44] <doubletwist> I haven't had any luck getting video to play in ubuntu...
[10:44] <warty> "the modules doesn't exists" it says
[10:44] <doubletwist> I've decided I really dislike totem :)
[10:44] <ogra> lucas_: very high :)
[10:45] <warty> i know lucas
[10:45] <warty> i'll do it
[10:45] <warty> but i'm curious to know why
[10:45] <will> doubletwist: i have no pport! i need to get it set up, its configured in bois as an ECP port
[10:46] <doubletwist> will: ok
[10:46] <CraHan> hmmm
[10:46] <doubletwist> will: you might need to load the modules... um, I can't remember their names off the top of my head.
[10:46] <CraHan> when I use cdrecord with dev=0,0,0 it works
[10:46] <CraHan> but when nautilus cd burner calls cdrecord it uses /dev/sr0
[10:46] <CraHan> could that be the problem?
[10:46] <will> doubletwist: do you have it in your conf file?
[10:47] <doubletwist> will: yes but it is at home and I am at work.
[10:48] <Zomb> CraHan: it could. /dev/sr0 is the block device (same as /dev/scd0), what you want is sg0 or 0,0,0
[10:48] <LinuxJones> will, do you have parport && parport_pc modules loaded >> lsmod | grep parport
[10:48] <CraHan> Zomb: is there any way to tell the nautilus cdburner app to actually use that?
[10:49] <Zomb> dunno. I dislike the current GNOME cr^h^hsoftware.
[10:49] <warty> when have ubuntu been released?
[10:49] <CraHan> heh
[10:49] <LinuxJones> warty, today
[10:49] <ogra> warty: today :)
[10:50] <ogra> hi Jones 
[10:50] <LinuxJones> hi :)
[10:51] <warty> i did not understand before: today i downloaded the live cd from the download page where there was three mirrors, tonight there was no more... ^_^
[10:51] <warty> cool
[10:51] <Scognito> why ubuntu boot is so slow compared with a "normal" debian?
[10:51] <warty> i'll download immediately
[10:51] <doubletwist> Doesn't seem to boot slow to me.
[10:51] <MrMario64> neither for me
[10:52] <Scognito> strange
[10:52] <doubletwist> Well, I take that back. It is a little slow on a g4 :)
[10:52] <doubletwist> But on my pc it boots fine
[10:52] <Scognito> MrMario64, do you like nintendo 64? :D
[10:52] <Scognito> do you all use udev?
[10:52] <doubletwist> Scognito is there a particular section that it seems to take awhile on, or is each step taking a long time.
[10:52] <Kamion> warty: the mirrors will be put back when they're up to date
[10:52] <doubletwist> I don't have udev on yet.
[10:53] <doubletwist> I dread the updates I'm going to have to do on my dialup at home :(
[10:53] <Scognito> doubletwist, it is default here
[10:53] <Scognito> how can i disable it?
[10:53] <doubletwist> I thought it was only default on the release, not the preivew.
[10:53] <della> if anyone is curious: I'm the guy with the mount problem
[10:53] <MrMario64> I liked it when I chose this nick... now I'm stuck with it.......
[10:53] <doubletwist> hehe
[10:53] <della> and I solved it by removing the evms package
[10:53] <Kamion> doubletwist: udev has been the default on Ubuntu pretty much since we started.
[10:53] <Scognito> MrMario64, eh eh
[10:54] <will> linuxjones: parport_pc             34752  0
[10:54] <will> parport                40712  2 parport_pc,lp
[10:54] <doubletwist> MrMario64 I have the same problem with my other nick that Iuse on another irc system and my email.
[10:54] <MrMario64> yup... It really sticks
[10:54] <MrMario64> btw
[10:54] <LinuxJones> will, your printer is not working ??
[10:54] <will> linuxjones: we have had this problem before eh?!
[10:54] <della> probably my "old" (2.6.6) kernel doesn't have something important for evms
[10:54] <MrMario64> shame about losing the blonde girl on my ubuntu desktop
[10:54] <doubletwist> I had been 'ender' since 1991 on local bbs's. Now everyone and their dog is 'ender'
[10:55] <will> Linuxjones: /dev/lpx does not exist
[10:55] <LinuxJones> will, that's becasue Ubuntu uses udev
[10:55] <Scognito> udev make my boot slow too
[10:55] <ogra> MrMario64: want it back ? install ubuntu-calendar
[10:56] <will> linuxjones: so where is my lpx port listed
[10:56] <Scognito> i don't know how disable udev from grub
[10:56] <LinuxJones> will, let me see if I can find it for you will
[10:57] <will> Linuxjones: thanks!
[10:58] <LinuxJones> will, try /.dev/lp0 or /.dev/lp0 you can jsut echo a few chars to it and see which one it is ie... echo 'hello' >> /.dev/lp0 to test
[10:58] <will> Linuxjones: its just that when i set up my printer (OKIPAGE 4w) in the Printer Port selection drop down box, there is no lp0 port, only USB ports!
[10:59] <TMIegel> plz help, how do i boot the LiveCD with a usb-cdrom?
[10:59] <MrMario64> ogra, oh thanks!!
[10:59] <MrMario64> really miss the point of all the fuss about it.
[11:00] <MrMario64> oh well...
[11:00] <occy> hmmm, j2re - Sun Java(tm) 2 Runtime Environment   isn't in universe
[11:01] <riley> i'm dling the release right now, and i'm just wondering, once i've got it, will i have to boot the cd to update or will it do it in ubuntu?
[11:01] <bdale> configured a network printer, it works fine, but 'print a test page' always wants A4 despite the printer being configured as letter.  normal?
[11:02] <meff> i've installed the linux-source and untarred it and ln'ed it to linux, however vmware's config says its missing dirs in include/ .. what am i missing?
[11:02] <will> bdale: i read something about that in the september upbuntu-users mailing list!
[11:02] <LinuxJones> will, I recall seeing somwhere that with udev all printer stuff get's routed through the same device name try echo'ing some characters to the different usb devices to see if they start printing out on one of them.
[11:02] <bdale> hrm.  I'm way behind reading the list.  sigh.
[11:02] <nictuku> is it a bad idea to create a local community in a ubuntu.com.tld domain? 
[11:03] <lamont_r> bdale: there''s two places in the config to specify paper size
[11:03] <lamont_r> and another one in OO.o
[11:03] <warty> question (sorry, i'm a newbie ^_^): i see that gnome is default on ubuntu... is kde avaible for ubntu
[11:03] <warty> ?
[11:03] <will> linuxjones: will try that now
[11:03] <lamont_r> and bummer that we have printers that understand what a4 is, eh?
[11:03] <bdale> lamont_r: I found the ones in paper and in advanced.  haven't gotten to trying OO yet.
[11:03] <spiv> bdale: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1926 maybe?
[11:03] <lamont_r> warty: it's in universe. not supported, but edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you want it;
[11:03] <ogra> bdale: the last8 years my printer always wanted letter except i selected A4
[11:04] <ogra> bdale: nice change for us germans :-D
[11:04] <warty> what means that is in universe?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> will, sorry I wish I had more info but my USB printer just works :)
[11:05] <LinuxJones> will, was your printer turned on when you booted your comp ??
[11:05] <bdale> spiv: yes, exactly.  laserjet 4 plus on a jetdirect, test page is always A4 despite changing paper size in both places in printer properties, haven't tried printing from an application yet
[11:05] <will> Linuxjones: yes
[11:06] <bdale> ogra: the sad thing is that MS has had this right for years
[11:06] <LinuxJones> will, try running discover
[11:06] <will> linuxjones: what is the path to the usb ports?
[11:06] <ogra> bdale: should be tied to the locale sice ages, yes .... :(
[11:06] <warty> what means that is in universe?
[11:07] <lamont_r> warty: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde
[11:07] <spiv> warty: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:07] <warty> thanks
[11:07] <ogra> warty: ubuntus software is split in supported and unsupported packages....the unsupported ones are in universe
[11:07] <rcaskey_> are there any plans for a non-us?
[11:08] <lamont_r> spiv: thanks - was having challenges finding that...
[11:08] <bdale> why?  isn't non-us pretty empty these days?
[11:08] <liff> so it's out.. congrats to everyone involved :)
[11:08] <spiv> lamont_r: my secret is "site:ubuntulinux.org components" ;)
[11:08] <liff> torrent coming down at 120-140k/s, which is nice :)
[11:09] <xskoulax> afternoon
[11:09] <lamont_r> back down to 70KB/s here
[11:09] <warty> but the unsupported ones works too or doesn't?
[11:09] <will> linuxjones: how do you run discover? in synaptic it says i have discover1 installed
[11:09] <Serenity^> torrent is nice when it works, usually there's so few seeders it's a pain
[11:09] <lamont_r> spiv: typed in where?
[11:09] <rcaskey_> bdale: that would seem the appropriate place for patent-encumbered codecs
[11:09] <nictuku> anyone else from the ubuntu team here, besides idling people?
[11:10] <lamont_r> rcaskey_: multiverse
[11:10] <gma> nictuku, I imagine most of them are on ubuntu-devel
[11:10] <ogra> warty: mostly yes.... if not, you have to ask for support by the community
[11:10] <bdale> rcaskey_: good point
[11:10] <spiv> lamont_r: google
[11:10] <lamont_r> gma/nictuku: some of us hang out both places.
[11:10] <warty> thanks
[11:10] <rcaskey_> lamon: hrmm
[11:10] <nictuku> I'd like to know if it's ok to register a domain ubuntu.*
[11:10] <lamont_r> spiv: doh
[11:10] <LinuxJones> will, jsut type it from the root shell
[11:10] <spiv> lamont_r: You mean there's more than one search form on the web? ;)
[11:10] <nictuku> I mean,"it will be a community.
[11:11] <lamont_r> spiv: heh
[11:11] <gma> lamont_r, seeing as you gave yourself away, I'll ask you a question...
[11:11] <HJ> question, i wanna try ubuntu, but don't have any room on my harddisk for it, can ubuntu boot/run from a partition on an external usb device?
[11:11] <nictuku> #ubuntu-devel is off-topic for such question ?P
[11:11] <nictuku> :)
[11:11] <will> linuxjones: nothing comes up!
[11:11] <liff> HJ: try the livecd?
[11:11] <Nonphasis> 5/quit
[11:11] <HJ> livecd?
[11:11] <lamont_r> nictuku: if it was me, I'd go there to ask how/where to ask that question
[11:11] <lamont_r> gma: fire away
[11:11] <nictuku> ok
[11:11] <bdale> hrm, so I gather .torrent files in .pool aren't current?
[11:11] <cblack> hmm. does the network config app in gnome 2.8 do any wireless access point searching?
[11:12] <gma> I've got a hardware problem getting X working on my laptop. I've posted to the forum about it, but was wondering if I'd be better off posting to a mailing list...
[11:12] <lamont_r> HJ: livecd boots from CD, and gives you a desktop system.  Of course, it's a bit slower (since everything comes from a compressed disk on the cd...)
[11:12] <rcaskey_> lamont: do you have more info about Multiverse? URLS?
[11:12] <HJ> lamont: yeah i know what i livecd is, i just didnt' realize there was an ubuntu livecd
[11:12] <dupondje> cause i'm working with SATA RAID (on a Promise 20378 controller)
[11:12] <lamont_r> rcaskey_: see the instructions for universe, s/universe/multiverse/
[11:12] <lamont_r> HJ: well, it's currently rc, not final
[11:13] <stratus> Connecting to releases.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.155] :80... connected.
[11:13] <stratus> Read error (Connection timed out) in headers.
[11:13] <lamont_r> http://release.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:13] <stratus> hmm
[11:13] <HJ> ok, cool, thanks
[11:13] <lamont_r> stratus: hrm... is busy machine..
[11:14] <lamont_r> HJ: there are also some diff's between livecd and install cd wrt hw detection.  Those'll be cleaned up in hoary
[11:15] <rcaskey_> lamont: hrmm, are us mirrors carrying multiverse?
[11:15] <lamont_r> rcaskey_: dunno
[11:15] <rcaskey_> maybe later tonight I will do up a Universe / Multiverse Wiki entry
[11:16] <ffddsfds> ubuntu has got final cool!!!!!!!!!!
[11:16] <knewt> will ubuntu work under 2.4, or is it 2.6 only?
[11:17] <bdale> aha, the .torrent files in warty/ are different, not just symlinks.  filename change, I guess.
[11:17] <ijuz> knewt: should also work with 2.4
[11:17] <ogra> knewt: will miss some features
[11:17] <mario> Ubuntu auto-mount USB flash disks?
[11:18] <ogra> mario: works fine
[11:19] <mario> y plug my pendrive but no mount :(, y view dmesg log, and this try mount with fat, ext2, reiser, etc... but not with vfat :(
[11:19] <knewt> so no problem in upgrading from woody inside a 2.4 uml?
[11:19] <will> how do you log into CUPS printing system, without the root!??
[11:20] <knewt> i have to admit i like the (gk)sudo way of working
[11:20] <scotth> will, gnome-cups-manager
[11:21] <lamont_r> mario: does lsmod show vfat?
[11:23] <mario> vfat                   14592  0
[11:25] <bdale> so the installer doesn't have access to non-free drivers like atheros wireless?
[11:25] <bdale> appears not
[11:25] <mdz> bdale: no, we didn't have a chance to make udebs of tohse
[11:25] <mdz> those
[11:26] <bdale> mdz: ok.  I notice this because the HP tc1100 tablet has a 100bT interface that's found but not connected, and an Atheros wireless a/b/g card that's present but unrecognized until after install.  adding an ath0 clause to /etc/network/interfaces manually fixed that adequately, but it's icky.
[11:27] <mdz> bdale: there's a table in the wiki HardwareSupport page which includes notes about the few drivers which aren't supported in the installer, but are in the installed system
[11:27] <mdz> bdale: no need to edit interfaces by hand; computer->system config->networking->add :-)
[11:28] <bdale> mdz: that failed for lack of root privs, so I popped a terminal window and just did it.  not sure why it failed.
[11:28] <mdz> bdale: it prompts for your password via gksudo
[11:28] <bdale> mdz: my password didn't work.  that machine is rebooting right now, can try again in a minute or two.
[11:29] <ffddsfds> where can i get the 2.6.9 kernel sources
[11:29] <mdz> just tested it
[11:29] <mdz> ffddsfds: kernel.org
[11:29] <Juerd_> Where can a list of changes since a previous version be found?
[11:29] <mdz> Juerd_: for a particular package, /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
do i unpack it
[11:30] <ogra> ffddsfds: try zless
[11:30] <mdz> ffddsfds: that's a bit more detail than I can go into right now
[11:30] <Juerd_> mdz: And in general?
[11:30] <ffddsfds> mdz can i get the manual?
[11:30] <spiv> ffddsfds: Read the docs in the kernel-package package.
[11:30] <mdz> Juerd_: the release announcements
[11:30] <Juerd_> For example, is there an easy way to find out if the kernel has been patched or upgraded since, say, the prerelease that I downloaded October, 5?
[11:31] <mario> lamont: i have two drivers, a 256mb and 32mb, but none mount :(
[11:31] <mdz> we didn't do a summary of changes for the final, though
[11:31] <bdale> mdz: aha.  what failed was Applications/System Tools/Network Tools/Devices, change the interface to ath0, and try to configure.  that wants a root password.
[11:31] <mdz> but the milestone CDs each had summaries
[11:31] <Juerd_> (My Wacom didn't work back then. It's a kernel problem. I don't know if it was fixed in the kernel, but if Ubuntu didn't do anything to the kernel, I can skip the iso download :)
[11:31] <MyKq3> help plz my Resource monitor showz me that my CPU usage is 100% and its don't stop 
[11:32] <MyKq3> what can i do ???
[11:32] <shorty> hi someone who speaks german?
[11:32] <ogra> shorty: ja ?
[11:32] <mdz> bdale: are you up to date?  I seem to recall us fixing a bug like that
[11:32] <Juerd_> MyKq3: One way to make sure it goes to 0% is shutting down. Another is finding out which process is using all that CPU time. One of those programs is top, which runs best in a terminal.
[11:32] <gma> MyKq3, open a terminal and type "top"
[11:32] <shorty> dann mal zu meiner frage: kann ich ber ein modem an usb ins internet (dsl)?
[11:33] <bdale> mdz: fresh install from released iso scortching the preview release that was previously installed and updated
 what do i have to do
[11:33] <ogra> MyKq3: look at the processlist
[11:33] <docelic> shorty: naturlich
[11:33] <mdz> bdale: oh, never mind. different tool
[11:33] <bdale> mdz: going down the path you suggested works
[11:33] <MyKq3> okay 
[11:33] <shorty> mit welchem programm?
[11:33] <MyKq3> the 1st line is XFREE86
[11:33] <shorty> pppoeconf?
[11:33] <bdale> mdz: right.  count on me to stumble upon the one that doesn't work first.
[11:33] <mdz> bdale: right, the bug for the system tools one is #2210
[11:33] <gma> MyKq3, what does it say in the PU column?
[11:34] <gma> s/PU/CPU/
[11:34] <ogra> argh, why isnt CPU usage not enabled by default in the system-monitor
[11:34] <Juerd_> I'm downloading the iso now. It will be on my box in 10 minutes.
 do i have to create the folder /ysr/src/linux myself?
[11:34] <docelic> shorty: nein, "auto eth0 <enter> iface eth0 inet dhcp" unter /etc/network/interfaces, dann /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:34] <Juerd_> Should the problem still be there, then can I report the problem to Ubuntu, even though it is a kernel problem?
[11:34] <MyKq3> gma,  is says 6%
[11:35] <docelic> shorty: modem? kabel or adsl >
[11:35] <gma> MyKq3, that implies you're not at 100% CPU usage. Wha does the first load average figure (top line) say?
[11:35] <shorty> adsl
[11:35] <spiv> ffddsfds: install kernel-package, read the docs it installs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
[11:35] <ijuz> Juerd_: they don't bite
[11:35] <shorty> modem ist von Fritz
[11:35] <Juerd_> ijuz: Yes, they do. 
[11:35] <bdale> ijuz: well, not often anyway...
[11:35] <docelic> shorty: ah lol, pppoe dann
[11:35] <Juerd_> ijuz: Not really looking to discuss this, actually.
[11:36] <ijuz> Juerd_: only if you are out of chocolate or something ;)
[11:36] <MyKq3> gma,  it says Xfree86 
 does the kernel-package is a package itself?
[11:36] <Juerd_> ijuz: I was out of patches.
[11:36] <MyKq3> the owner is the root
[11:36] <spiv> ffddsfds: yes.
[11:36] <BlahBlehbl> hey all
[11:36] <bdale> chocolate and/or beer often work as substitutes for patches, fwiw
[11:36] <Juerd_> Well, I am a developer, but not when it comes to Linux :)
 what does it do?
[11:37] <BlahBlehbl> does anybody know how i can donate to ubuntu
[11:37] <spiv> ffddsfds: apt-cache show kernel-package
[11:37] <BlahBlehbl> i ordered 11 cds i dont want to just take them for free
[11:37] <spiv> ffddsfds: (or read the description in synaptic)
[11:37] <BlahBlehbl> anybody?
[11:37] <mdz> BlahBlehbl: it is being set up
[11:38] <BlahBlehbl> thx
[11:38] <BlahBlehbl> paypal support?
[11:38] <Juerd_> 5;1 root@sxark:/# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda6
[11:38] <Juerd_> Here goes.
[11:38] <mdz> probably
[11:38] <BlahBlehbl> excellent
[11:38] <BlahBlehbl> ok ty
[11:38] <BlahBlehbl> cya
[11:38] <gma> MyKq3, What does the first load average figure (top line) say?
[11:38] <mdz> Juerd_: er...
[11:39] <Juerd_> mdz: I want to do a clean installation of Ubuntu, to see if the problems I had before are gone, without the risk of anything from the previous try being in the way.
[11:39] <MyKq3> gma,  u mean the Cpu/// it says 96%
[11:39] <mdz> Juerd_: ok, a bit extreme. :-)  choosing 'erase the entire disk' in the installer is sufficient
[11:39] <Juerd_> (And I really, really hope it leaves my raid arrays alone this time.)
[11:39] <MyKq3> and on ly on one task is running 
[11:39] <Juerd_> mdz: No way. I have important other data on these disks.
[11:40] <Juerd_> mdz: If only it could retain the raid arrays this time, I'd be a lot happier
[11:40] <MyKq3> gma,  top - 23:40:13 up 21 min,  2 users,  load average: 2.18, 1.97, 1.43
[11:40] <MyKq3> Tasks:  77 total,   1 running,  76 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[11:40] <ogra> MyKq3: looks bad
[11:41] <Juerd_> MyKq3: sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[11:41] <Juerd_> MyKq3: What does that say for using_dma?
[11:41] <MyKq3> Cpu(s): 90.8% us,  8.9% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.3% hi,  0.0% si  
[11:41] <Juerd_> Oh, user.
[11:41] <mdz> Juerd_: you have important data, but you're overwriting the entire disk with dd?
[11:41] <ogra> Juerd_: Xfree
[11:41] <Juerd_> mdz: hda6 is not the entire disk.
[11:42] <gma> look at the 3rd line. second figure should be "x.y% sy". what is tha figure?
[11:42] <gma> (and no, I meant the load average, which is different to CPU)
[11:42] <Juerd_> mdz: Or at least I hope the evil hax0rs left that device's minor number as it was :)
[11:42] <mdz> Juerd_: ah, heh.  erasing the first 32k or so should be more than sufficient, then
[11:42] <gma> MyKq3, sorry, got disconnected.
[11:42] <Juerd_> mdz: Hell, just mkfs.ext3 would do the trick, and the installer does that anyway.
[11:42] <gma> (and no, I meant the load average, which is different to CPU)
[11:42] <mdz> or even leaving it as-is and letting the installer put a new filesystem over it
[11:42] <Levanon> Question: Anybody have an idea of how long the CDs will take to be shipped, or where they're being shipped from?
[11:42] <Juerd_> mdz: But I'm waiting for the iso to download, and why not stress the disk a little more? :)
[11:43] <ogra> gma: he already posted, was over 2
[11:43] <gma> ogra, ta
[11:43] <MyKq3> gma,  may  b i just should copy past it all
[11:43] <Juerd_> This way, when reporting a bug, I can say "I even blanked out the partition" without lying.
[11:43] <gma> MyKq3, nah, it's huge.
[11:43] <gma> hang on
[11:43] <gma> I'll msg you
[11:43] <mdz> Levanon: the CDs will go out in November
[11:44] <Levanon> Really? Maybe I'll have to stress out my dialup then...
[11:44] <lamont_r> Levanon: they have to be mastered, and a whole lot of them pressed.
[11:44] <MyKq3> Juerd_,  do u think its the hdd
[11:45] <Juerd_> MyKq3: Not anymore, since you showed that the load was caused by "us" (user)
[11:45] <lamont_r> Levanon: you in ottawa?
[11:45] <Juerd_> MyKq3: A process is doing this. It should be the first one listed by top.
[11:45] <Levanon> Yeah. Understandable. I was just looking for a quick fix. But, thanks :)
[11:45] <Levanon> Yeah
[11:45] <MyKq3> Juerd_,  : thanks
[11:45] <lamont_r> Levanon: I expect that there'll be downloaded iso's floating around the ottawa linux community this evening...
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Ottawa is an awesome city :)
[11:46] <Levanon> I'm already on forcing my buddy with cable
[11:46] <lamont_r> LinuxJones: even if it is in canada. :-)  *duck*
[11:46] <LinuxJones> lamont_r, :D
[11:46] <Juerd_> Last chance to quit, starting real write    8 seconds.
[11:46] <Juerd_> *hate*.
[11:46] <lamont_r> xskoulax: too good of a straight line to pass up.
[11:46] <lamont_r> been to ottawa, loved it
[11:47] <Levanon> Pretty nice place. Not my favourite bit of Ontario, but nice nonetheless
[11:47] <ogra> Juerd_: youre not supposed to read the license of cdrecord while burning :)
[11:47] <lamont_r> was there for OLS, and a debconf
[11:47] <LinuxJones> lamont_r, it's one of the more attractive cities in Canada, in the summer anyways :)
[11:47] <Juerd_> ogra: Then why does it let me wait 9 whole seconds?
[11:48] <Juerd_> (to then find out my cd is borken...)
[11:48] <ogra> Juerd_: cdrecordis crap, but there's nothing better yet
[11:49] <lamont_r> ogra: I prefer growisofs, but that's diff media....
[11:49] <Juerd_> ogra: I agree. This is one of those things where some OSS goes wrong.
[11:50] <Juerd_> ogra: There's one thing which has been used for years. Even though many agree that it sucks, it takes balls to start a new project that isn't a fork.
[11:50] <Scognito> udev make my boot slow too, is there a way to disable it?
[11:51] <Juerd_> Okay.
[11:51] <Juerd_> What the fsck!
[11:51] <Juerd_> Not the cds are bad. The file actually is only 3 MB.
[11:51] <lamont_r> Juerd_: ew!
[11:51] <joem> Scognito, it is pretty crucial for the system, I don't know if the kernels have devfs support or not
[11:52] <Juerd_> Did warty shrink *much* while I was looking the other way?
[11:52] <Juerd_> I would have sworn wget really get in all the bytes.
[11:52] <Juerd_> Ah well. I'll just try again.
[11:52] <Juerd_> s/get/got/
[11:53] <Juerd_> 23:45:07 (372.18 KB/s) - `warty-release-install-i386.iso.1' saved [548175872/548175872] 
[11:53] <Juerd_> It did.
[11:53] <Scognito> joem, i want to try
[11:53] <Juerd_> This is scary.
[11:53] <lamont_r> Juerd_: any chance there's a file by that name in another directory???
[11:53] <Scognito> but i haven't found how to disable udev
[11:53] <Juerd_> lamont_r: No
[11:53] <ogra> lamont: why is it always your name in the url if mdz points to broken package....arnet you able to build working ones ? ..... just kidding, wouldnt a non personal builddir be better ?
[11:53] <lamont_r> ogra: I am build king
[11:54] <lamont_r> and the build logs crap is "something temporary until the real thing gets set up"
[11:54] <ogra> lamot: i know....was joking.....dont you recieve such mails ?
[11:54] <joem> Scognito, you can't disable it unless you have an alternative(devfs which is depreciated)
[11:54] <Juerd_> lamont_r: I have never downloaded this file before, and the cwd was ~/iso, as it always is when retrieving isos.
[11:54] <knewt> the instructions on the wiki for upgrading from woody say that they'll install udev. what's the best way to do the upgrade if sticking with 2.4?
[11:55] <mdz> joem: you can still use a static /dev
[11:55] <lamont_r> knewt: I upgraded all my i386 boxen from woody long enough ago that I really couldn't advise
[11:56] <joem> mdz, yea, I didn't know if that was a udev or distro specific option
[11:56] <Juerd_> Let's not waste more time.
[11:56] <mdz> knewt: follow the instructions, and then remove udev
[11:56] <mdz> or disable it
[11:56] <Juerd_> (curl | wget -)
[11:56] <Juerd_> s/wget/cdrecord/
[11:57] <mdz> Juerd_: that'll minimize the error checking :-)
[11:57] <xskoulax> lamont_r you had anyproblems with the fxa53's screen staying blank after the screensaver has faded to black?
[11:57] <Juerd_> mdz: In TCP I trust :)
[11:57] <lamont_r> xskoulax: nah - I just hit the shift key, and presto...
[11:57] <ogra> Juerd_: id say in burnproof.....
[11:57] <Juerd_> ogra: That too, obviously :)
[11:57] <Scognito> where i can get info how disable udev
[11:57] <lamont_r> then again, I tend to tell the screen saver to blank onlyl
[11:58] <Scognito> maybe there is a grub option outta there
[11:58] <lamont_r> but lately, the vaio has been my livecd testbed, so it's been running _lots_ of screensavers.
[11:58] <Scognito> but i cannot find it
[11:58] <xskoulax> i just hit shift and nothing happened, where is this presto key your talking about ;)
[11:58] <CraHan> hmm... confirmed my problem
[11:58] <lamont_r> xskoulax: right above f12? :-)
[11:58] <xskoulax> ahhh
[11:59] <lamont_r> xskoulax: seriously,no clue why it would do that
[11:59] <CraHan> nautilus-cd-burner is sending /dev/sr0 as the device to cdrecord while cdrecord needs 0,0,0 as the scsi device
[11:59] <Juerd_> Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 548175872/548175872 (267664 sectors).
[11:59] <Juerd_> That's better.
[11:59] <CraHan> cdrecord fails when sent /dev/sr0 as the device name
[11:59] <Juerd_> (Gotta love proxies.)
[11:59] <knewt> i assume it's ok not to install ubuntu-desktop when upgrading, but just go through the dependency list for it and install just the bits i want?
[11:59] <lamont_r> Juerd_: especially the 3rd time you fetch the same file, eh?
[12:00] <Juerd_> lamont_r: 2nd, and yes.
[12:00] <ogra> Juerd_: what a line.... wow