Juerd_ogra: I have a local proxy. The line itself isn't bad either, though.12:00
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CraHan/dev/sg0 works too12:00
Juerd_ogra: squid serves me well and transparently.12:00
CraHanwhy the heck does it recognize the cd as sr0 then... weird12:00
s7sHow can i install this theme: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/green_heart/12:00
lamont_rknewt: if it was me (debian developer and all that), I'd be tempted to just apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop after doing a backup12:00
Juerd_I will be seeing you again after I tried install and boot into Ubuntu12:01
knewtlamont_r: this is on a server, not a desktop. and is uml-based, so is 2.4 only12:01
xskoulaxahhh well i haven't time to play with the lappy to figure it out, need to fire up oo.o and get on with my brothers homework :(12:01
lamont_rof course, the last time I did that, I did the back up afterwards by booting from CD and pushing bits to another computer before I flatlined it.  But that was back in the sounder 3 timeframe...12:01
Juerd_(does it have a terminal with ssh available during installation, yet? That would *so* increase "productivity" (the ability to use IRC).12:01
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__danielhow do i get /dev/sequencer? is it some legacy thing?12:01
mdzJuerd_: not until the base system is installed12:02
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knewtlamont_r: well, 2.6 is available for uml, but not where i am, and isn't as well tested as 2.4 anyway12:02
mdz__daniel: it's the midi device12:02
__danielmdz, i know, but i only get /dev/snd/seq after modprobing snd-midi-seq12:02
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mdz__daniel: modprobe snd-seq-oss12:02
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__danielmdz: whooha!12:03
__danielmdz, THANKS12:03
__danielmdz, but playmidi still says: no playback device12:04
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tolstoyfolks, what's the simplist way to get a list of installed packages?12:05
ijuzdpkg -l12:05
tolstoyon an rpm based distro, rpm -qa works.12:05
tolstoyAh, thanks.12:06
ogratolle: dpkg -l | less12:06
tolstoyijuz, there are so many different commands: aptitude, apt, apt-cache, apt-get, dpkg, etc.12:06
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gmaremember MyKq3's high CPU load? we've been chatting about it and the strange thing is he was 0% idle, 97% user, and the highest ranking process in top was X with 10% (caused by running top). could it be a rootkit job?12:06
__danieltolstoy, if you use synaptic, you don't need any of the others :-)12:06
ijuztolstoy: in the end they are all using dpkg12:06
ogragma: how should that get in ?12:07
tolstoy__daniel, thanks.  Yeah, synaptic is better for exploration. I like the command line for certain things.12:07
gmaogra, beats me. I just can't think of any other explanation for the high CPU.12:07
__danieltolstoy, de rien :-)12:07
tolstoyBTW, I wish ubuntu has something along the lines of red-carpet or that little redhat icon just for alerts.12:07
knewt(fast links)++ # Fetched 61.5MB in 22s (2684kB/s)12:08
gma(which probably means there's a perfectly reasonable explanation and I just can't think of it)12:08
ogragma: me neither.... :(12:08
gmatolstoy, I know it's no alert, but you can get synaptic to just show you the things that need upgrading12:08
gmaogra, bummer. he's rebooting.12:09
ogragma: so lets see if it comes back12:09
topylitolstoy: you join the security list for that12:10
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mindphasrHow would I go about getting a kernel with HPT374 support so I can install and boot?12:11
tolstoytopyli, are you saying we don't have that because it's a security risk?12:14
ogramindphasr: would a hpt366 driver work ? this one is in the default modules12:14
mindphasrIt is?12:14
tolstoytopyli, by which I mean the "there are updates" icon?12:14
mindphasrWell, I dont think that will work..12:14
ogramindphasr: /lib/modules/
knewthmm, don't know about HTP374 but i know with debian i used to be able to install on my HTP372 system, as long as i turned off dma probing at boot until i could create a custom patched kernel. 12:15
mindphasrthe drivers are in 2.6 kernels..but none of the ones on the disk..12:15
ogramindphasr: /lib/modules/
ogramindphasr: /lib/modules/
ogramindphasr: /lib/modules/
ogramindphasr: /lib/modules/
mindphasrknewt: How do I turn off DMA probing?12:15
ograneed a new keyboard in my old lappie12:15
mindphasrI can make the custom kernel..Just cant get in to do so.. heh12:16
topylitolstoy: i mean the "you have mail" icon :)12:16
topylinot the same thing, i know :)12:16
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MyKq5Gma dude?12:19
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knewtmindphasr: try ideX=noautotune, replacing X with the appropriate number. eg, i used ide2=noautotune ide3=noautotune, since ide0 and ide1 were my main controller12:19
gmaMyKq5, hi12:20
mindphasrokay..will do12:20
gmaany joy?12:20
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mindphasrThere are no ide drives though12:21
gmaMyKq5, what's your CPU load?12:22
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jgeorgesoni've run 'sudo k3bsetup' to enable a burn group and used 2 different groups, both of which I am a member, and k3b still shows no writer 12:24
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asubedijgeorgeson: why not use nautilus' cd creator; it's so much simpler12:25
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Serenity^heh, I cant stand either 12:26
kleinmy laptop is booting (from off) when the lid switch is depressed (i.e. when the screen is shut)...anyone had this problem?12:26
Serenity^well so far I have to admit that of all things debian related, ubuntu is the only one that I feel I could live with12:27
theantixklein: I have had that problem too (with fedora) and I turned that setting off in the bios12:27
Solkarisasubedi because the nautilus cd creator sucks compared to k3b?12:27
jgeorgesonasubedi: vcd12:28
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asubediSolkaris: if you just want to put some files, k3b seems utterly useless; i don't know in case of vcd12:29
kleintheantix: hmm.  i'll check the bios, but i don't recall seeing any option like that.  any other ideas you came across?12:30
jgeorgesonSolkaris: I'd rather use the nautilus interface to burn an iso i already have, or just to make a data cd of some random set of files, but k3b is much nicer for doing audio cd, video cd, dvd, etc (i don't think nautilus interface even does any of those)12:30
jgeorgesonanyway, i should be able to use the writer not running as root in k3b12:31
theantixklein: I tried disabling apm, but that didn't affect my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 2450) -- maybe it will on yours -- the only thing that helped me was the BIOS setting12:31
kleintheantix: hmm.  this is a fujitsu p2120, so no apm anyway.  i'll fiddle with any acpi settings i find12:31
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theantixklein: you might want to try with acpi completely off then -- but recheck the bios anyhow just in case :-)12:32
kleintheantix: maybe i'll check in the kernel, disable anything to do with the lid?12:33
Solkarisjgeorgeson aye .. it doesnt so if you need a real cd burner you need k3b .. which is why I said to asubedi that comparing the two .. nautilus cd creation software sucks in compared to k3b. Believe me I wish there was a Gnome based burner that was as nice as K3B because I HATE installing KDE and QT libraries to just to get a full function burner suite12:33
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Despairk3b whinges about lack of cdrdao here. which isn't in the amd64 universe12:34
theantixklein: it didn't mention the lid specifically, I just turned off the auto-off settings12:34
razorblade2000just installed ubuntu... looks reeeeeeeally nice so far :D But there is one problem: sudo doesn't work for me :(12:34
kleintheantix: sadly, i've got nothing like that12:34
razorblade2000asks for a password :(12:34
Despairrazorblade2000: sudo uses user password12:34
Solkarisso enter your password12:34
ograrazorblade2000: so give it yours ;)12:34
razorblade2000cool :D12:35
razorblade2000thank you!12:35
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Serenity^I just created a reg root password, sudo seems awkward12:35
Serenity^specially when an app wants the "root" password to run, heh12:36
ograSerenity^: its actually safer12:36
ograSerenity^: sudo i mean12:36
Serenity^I guess, but su is easier to me, heh12:37
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gmathe only thing I've found so far that needs a real root password is the cups admin interface, but that's disabled for security reasons anyway12:38
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Phr0stByteWhat? Someone didn't like the naked people?12:41
razorblade2000Is ubuntu sarge sid or woody?12:41
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Serenity^I didn't, heh12:41
swimno xorg for ubuntu?12:41
gmarazorblade2000, sid was forked/frozen a while back12:41
Serenity^not yet no12:41
razorblade2000swim: xorg for debian = xorg for ubuntu12:41
ograswim: in six months12:41
gmaswim, not til next release12:41
Serenity^6 months? based on debian progress I'd say more like 6 yrs12:42
razorblade2000so I should add sarge repositories :-?12:42
swimoh no xorg for debian either?12:42
gmarazorblade2000, not unless you really want to12:42
razorblade2000I do :D12:42
gmaif you really want to do it, but it's not recommended/supported12:42
razorblade2000it's just mplayer anyway12:42
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gmado it while you've not got any important data, then if you bork it you can re-install12:43
swimSerenity^, was that no to me?12:43
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Swankyguyim am so frustrated12:43
gmaSwankyguy, this is not a pron channel12:43
Serenity^take a cold shower then12:43
Swankyguyis there anyway to enable vpc 2004 sound?12:43
swimwould compiling be difficult?12:44
SwankyguyI tried : modules.conf12:44
Swankyguyalias sound-slot-0 sb 12:44
Swankyguypost-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : 12:44
Swankyguypre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : 12:44
Swankyguyoptions sound dmabuf=1 12:44
Swankyguyalias synth0 opl3 12:44
Swankyguyoptions opl3 io=0x388 12:44
Swankyguyoptions sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 12:44
Swankyguydidnt work12:44
mdzswim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/x.org12:44
Swankyguyas well as trying to install sndconfig... didnt work12:44
Serenity^if I want xorg I'll just go back to arch, xorg,udev,gcc3.4,etc   really neat, small & fast12:45
mdzSwankyguy: modules.conf is for 2.4 kernels12:45
Swankyguyany ideas mdz?12:45
mdzSwankyguy: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d, according to the syntax in the modprobe.conf man page12:45
ograSerenity^: you don't belive in the 6 month releasecycle of ubuntu ?12:46
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Swankyguyumm.. I need a bit of hand holding there mdz12:46
razorblade2000strange... ryhmbox crashes on my when selection web radios...12:46
mdzSwankyguy: I'm sorry, I can't get into step-by-step instructions at this time. perhaps someone else can help12:46
Serenity^ogra, I'll believe it when I see it12:47
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ograSerenity^: look at gnome.... ;) jeff waugh is ubuntu release manager.... so it must work .... btw kudos jdub12:47
Serenity^gnome is ok if yer into big bloated stuff like that, I prefer my xfce412:48
jdubogra: :)12:49
ograSerenity^: it matches its release plans !12:49
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Serenity^well, it's still so early I withhold judgement, heh12:50
Swankyguyok Im in /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp12:50
jdubSerenity^: check gnome's releases since the 2.0->2.2 process.12:50
stratusi want my ubuntu cd's at home. :(12:50
mirak_serenity, you too!12:51
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Swankyguyanyone else here feel like helping with vpc?12:56
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gmaSwankyguy, sorry, don't know anything about it12:56
ograSwankyguy: Virtual PC ?12:57
Swankyguybeating my brains out trying to get the sound working12:58
Swankyguymodprobe something?12:58
ograSwankyguy: there was a thread in the ubuntu devel list.....12:58
ograSwankyguy: just lookked was all about grephics12:59
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ograSwankyguy: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users01:00
WitigonenI'm thinking I might switch from Fedora 2 to Ubuntu, anybody want to convince me of this?01:00
jdubnah, you'll figure out which one you want01:01
ograWitigonen: if you had seen it already there'd be no need :))01:01
Witigonenogra: I'm downloading the install iso right now, so...01:01
ograWitigonen: try it, i'm sure you'll stay *g*01:02
WitigonenI come from a RedHat background, though.  But that background is about a month, so it's not exactly, you know, good.01:03
WitigonenHow is Ubuntu with regards to eye candy?01:04
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ograWitigonen: it's gnome.... 01:04
mdzWitigonen: we've just gotten our first stable release out the door today; eye candy will be a hot topic for our second release in April01:04
LeeColletonI'm trying to install on a Toshiba laptop and I keep getting an error on "Loading /install/initrd.gz"  isolinux: Disc error 0C, AX = 4200, drive E001:04
Witigonenmdz: Thanks.01:04
mdzLeeColleton: try burning the CD at a slower speed01:04
ogramdz: cmon... it's already beautiful01:04
mdzogra: you haven't seen anything yet :-)01:04
razorblade2000mhhhh... according to the CPU frequency scaling applet, my CPU Speed is somewhere between 0 MhZ, 134,72 GhZ and 1083 GhZ01:04
razorblade2000now that's overclockingdeluxe :D01:05
mdzrazorblade2000: what kind of CPU?01:05
razorblade2000athlon xp mobile :D01:05
mdzrazorblade2000: modprobe powernow-k701:05
razorblade2000ohhh... works :D01:05
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Swankyguyneed more help01:06
Witigonenmdz: Has the stable release you just mentioned hit the mirrors yet or should I wait a day or two before downloading/installing?01:06
Swankyguycan anyone hold my hand to install vpc sound?01:06
DethreadWitigon, just download now and then do a apt-get dist-upgrade01:07
mdzWitigonen: I'm not sure; check your local mirror and see if the files are there01:07
mdzWitigonen: you can always use the torrent01:07
Witigonenmdz: I just grabbed whatever one off of ubuntulinux.org/download/ .  01:08
WitigonenDethread: thanks.01:08
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meffany estimate when the unstable tree will start going?01:08
mdzWitigonen: that one lists the primary archive server, which has the release already01:08
Witigonenmdz: Thanks.01:09
mdzmeff: give us a few days to breathe :-)01:09
meffmdz: no prob just wondering :)01:09
razorblade2000hmmm... where do I have to insert the modprobe command to load it at startup automatically?01:10
speelhey is there a gui program out there where you can disable what ever services you want or enable them?01:10
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razorblade2000and another question: does someone know if CPUFreq also does reduce cpu voltage?01:10
razorblade2000core voltage01:11
shortywhere can i find the gstreamer-lame plugin for sound-juicer?01:11
Juerd_ogra: Raid was preserved this time :) Thanks for crossing your fingers01:11
WitigonenThe release in April is going to include Xorg instead of Xfree if I understood you correctly then, mdz?01:13
ograSwankyguy: i have no clue, but you'll need a module called  snd-sb16 i guess01:13
ograJuerd_: great :)01:13
Juerd_Good Things: raid was preserved; grub installed; soundcard was detected; nice sounds01:13
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swimhow do I log out of X but not into gdm (to console)01:14
Swankyguywhere? do I get the modules?01:14
Juerd_Bad Things: partition table on hdc not recognised (clone of hda, so wth?); wacom still doesn't work; keyboard layout still not set in X; login screen gives no way of picking another keyboard layout; installation takes very long (why copy to hd first and then dpkg, and what's with all the python packages that take so long?)01:14
ograSwankyguy: run: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 01:14
shortymy sound-juicer don't support mp3! what's the matter?01:14
ograSwankyguy: give it your userpassword01:14
Phr0stByteJuerd_: You got a Waconm drawing tablet?01:14
Juerd_Conclusion: this time, Ubuntu was better than the last time I tried (October, 5th), but it's still by no means up to my standards01:14
Juerd_Phr0stByte: Yes, a Wacom Graphire I01:15
swimanyone please?01:15
Juerd_Phr0stByte: Which works with kernels <= 2.6.6, but not with > 2.6.601:15
Swankyguyogra: I did the modprobe, now what?01:15
Phr0stByteJuerd_: I got a USB Graphire3 I have never gotten to work under any distro01:15
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ograswim: ctrl-alt-f101:16
Juerd_Phr0stByte: Funny. I have a I and a II and they both work *perfectly* (as a pointing device) with kernels <= 2.6.601:16
ograSwankyguy: play a sound ?01:16
Swankyguythe sound slider still isnt working01:16
Juerd_Phr0stByte: I have a friend who got the pressure thingy working, but I never bothered because I have it solely as a pointing device01:16
razorblade2000for me: ubuntu installed perfectly, keyboard layout was set fine, nice sounds, nice look01:16
Juerd_Which of my "Bad Things" should I *not* report as a bug?01:16
ograSwankyguy: so the same command with snd-sb16-dsp01:16
fishwhat does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?01:16
Phr0stByteJuerd_: So its the kernel thats the issue?01:16
razorblade2000con: the powernow issue + my wifi card won't work with kismet "out of the box"01:16
Juerd_Phr0stByte: Yes, but I will not report the bug there. Either it's with Ubuntu, or it's not at all :)01:18
swimogra I need to stop gdm though as well...01:18
Juerd_The Wacom Graphire is recognised, by the way. It's the module that hasn't worked well since 2.6.701:18
Phr0stByteJuerd_: Its not an Ubuntu issue - believe me01:18
LinuxJonesOk I set Option "Emulate3Button"  "no" in my XF86Config-4 file yesterday. It is still doing 3 button emulatiion...wth ?01:18
Juerd_Phr0stByte: I understand that01:18
ograswim: log in at the console and run: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop01:18
swimk thx01:18
Juerd_But as an end-user, I might not have known that01:18
fishwhat does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?01:18
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Juerd_I thought that perhaps Ubuntu accepted bug reports for all Ubuntu-packaged software.01:18
ografish: the system-> hotplug, the installer->discover01:18
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fishogra, never heard of discover01:19
fishthat new?01:19
ografish: no, pretty old :)   01:19
Swankyguyogra: I must not have the modules cause nothign is happening. where do I get the modules?01:19
Juerd_I guess "installation takes very long" isn't a bug either01:19
fishhmm, ok01:20
ograSwankyguy: did you se a errormessage after the modprobe command ?01:20
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ograSwankyguy: try: lsmod01:20
Juerd_So far, thanks for your support in my short adventure01:20
Juerd_Good night01:21
ograJuerd_: night01:21
fishogra, if I wanted to set up a mythtv box with a capture card, and soundblaster etc do you think discover would handle that?01:21
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ijuzhow many zillion iso's are allready downloaded? :)01:21
ografish: never tried that :) 01:21
Swankyguyn00b <---01:22
fishright well im going to google for some info peace all01:22
Swankyguylsmod ?01:22
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rileyi have the warty release on cd.  when i boot the cd, it will only let me install, and i am given no option to upgrade my current preview version. how would i go about upgrading?01:23
ograSwankyguy: what did you see ?01:23
__danielriley, use synaptic to upgrade01:23
SwankyguyI typed in lsmod01:23
__danielriley, won't need a cd01:23
riley__daniel, oh, thanks01:23
Swankyguyit shows the expected modules running01:24
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Swankyguybut still no sound01:24
Swankyguyis there a way to manually configure it?01:24
razorblade2000hi, I've got 2 network interfaces: eth0 is my laptops lanchip which works fine... eth1 seems to be my prism54 compatible pcmcia wlan card. ifconfig doesn't show eth1, iwconfig does. How do I activeate my wlan card (ifup eth1 didn't work)?01:24
__danielriley, that's the good thing about debian/ubuntu01:24
andrilhello all - Ubuntu - Final  Free!!!!!!01:24
ograriley:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes01:24
ograSwankyguy: can you start the volume-control (right click on the speaker applet)01:25
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riley__daniel and ogra, thanks01:26
andrilSwankyguy: what type of sound card do you have?01:26
WitigonenTime to burn the ISO and install, talk to you all later, thanks.01:26
Swankyguyogra: yes01:27
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ograandril: a M$ virtual pc 2004 sb16 emu01:27
Swankyguyandril: sb16 isa pnp in vpc 2004 emu01:27
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ograSwankyguy: anything muted ?01:27
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andrilahh Virtual PC fun - did you do the SP1 upgrade?01:29
fishingforaworkiI just checked the discover info on progency's website, I wonder if they are being sponsored from Ubunut?01:29
andrilI had issues at first then I did the upgrade - now it works - but not on my main Ubuntu PC01:30
Swankyguyogra: I unmuted/unlocked everything01:30
SwankyguyI then maxxed all volume01:30
Swankyguythe slider is still moving to the bottom if I try to move it01:30
Swankyguyandril: yes to the upgrade01:31
andrilSwankygy: sorry then - maybe these guru's can help - they are very helpful :)01:32
jdubfishingforaworki: Ubuntu only uses discover briefly during install01:32
Swankyguyyah Im shocked to hear you got it working at all andril01:33
fishingforaworkihi jdub, im artist formerly known as Ashley or fish lOL01:33
SwankyguyIm never had vpc sound work on any linux01:33
Swankyguyvmware works though01:33
doogieashley's a cute name.01:33
ograSwank:what says: lsmod|grep snd_mixer01:34
fishingforaworkii was chatting with you yesterday, 01:34
doogieso's geneva, and no, that does *not* mean I have the hots for my niece. :|01:34
fishingforaworkidoogie, down boy, im a Mab01:34
Swankyguyogra: just crashed my music player..hadda force quit it01:34
doogiefishingforaworki: who's to say I don't swing that way?01:34
fishingforaworkiashley, well I dont play for that team01:34
doogiewho's to say *I* do?01:34
fishingforaworkinot me01:35
Swankyguyogra: snd_mixer_oss01:35
Swankyguyogra: snd01:35
ograSwank:and: lsmod|grep snd_pcm01:36
fishingforaworkimy sister's boyfriend wants me to install xp on his hardisks without the computer,01:36
fishingforaworkibasically just plug it in mine, and then unplug and give it to him01:36
ograSwankyguy: should work....01:37
Swankyguyogra: nada :-(01:37
fishingforaworkinot going to work i dont think what you think boy's01:37
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ografishingforaworki: what's a worki ? (i'm german)01:38
fishingforaworkii couldn't use my nick so I put fishingforaworkingdistro01:38
ografishingforaworki: thought of some strange slang01:39
fishingforaworkiogra, oh yeah whats that?01:39
plasmoi thought it was wooki like chewbacca from starwars ;)01:41
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NewComeris the ubuntu logo a symbol of 3 people holding hands in a circle, a top view of them?01:41
ograSwankyguy: so i'm at the end... no ideas anymore....01:41
Swankyguyogra: I think the issue is that /etc/isapnp.conf is empty01:42
Swankyguyany ideas on what to put there?01:42
mariowhy???!!! why Ubuntu final not include p0rn backgrounds and splash screens :'(01:42
fishingforaworkiIm showing my chap ubuntu01:42
SwankyguyI cant seem to use pnpdunp01:42
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fishingforaworkiim trying to get him to use linux, 01:42
ograSwankyguy: you shouldn't need01:42
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TheMusomario: Many people didn't like it for the default install, and there was a meeting to discuss this. There was a unanimous vote to remove the artwork from the defaults, but it is still available.01:43
fishingforaworkihe doesn't like it because not much software is supported01:43
fishingforaworkihe likes to play in KDE on slackware mind you01:43
plasmoi just leave windows in dual boot for gaming01:43
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DoppleGangerfishingforaworki: you insulting slackware01:44
Swankyguyogra: aye but my sound should be working01:44
speelhey i need some help im trying to install a game and when i ./configure i get this configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.01:44
speelany ideas?01:44
ograSwankyguy: should.....01:44
fishingforaworkiI use to, but I only play one game, its not worth using a pirate for one game blah!01:44
marioTheMuso, but images are availables in any site?01:44
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ograSwankyguy: is this probably a sb8 emu ?01:44
fishingforaworkiDoppleGanger, why?01:44
DoppleGangerjust curious where the anger was coming from01:44
speelhelp any one ;(01:45
fishingforaworkiDoppleGanger, im complimenting if anything01:45
Swankyguyid give it a try ogra01:45
Swankyguywhat command?01:45
jharrisonfishing for a work i?01:45
speelconfigure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.01:45
speel help any one?01:45
DoppleGangerspeel: install the library01:46
Swankyguyogra : http://sxs.thexdershome.com/housekeeping/pnpstart.html01:46
labauerI'm working with the live cd and can't get printing to work for an hpjetdirect or windows printer. . .it does under knoppix.  Anyone here with printing troubleshooting experience?01:46
meffon using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it?01:46
jharrisonspeel: what graphics card do you have?01:46
speelbut from where lol , nvidia geforce 401:46
jharrisonlabauer: is it using cups?01:46
ograSwankyguy: same as before but sb8 instead sb16 (use the up key)01:46
DoppleGangerlabauer: start cups and install teh printer using the cups interface01:46
speeli installed my gfx card tho01:46
speelbah i mean the drivers for it01:46
jharrisonspeel: im an ati dude01:46
jharrisonspeel: you got to install the drivers though01:47
speelyea did that games play fine for me but when i try to ./configure this one it craps out01:47
ograSwankyguy: TESTED ON: Redhat 5.2, 6.0 and 6.1. Caldera 2.2 and 2.3 hmm, pretty old01:47
DoppleGangercoughs apt01:47
labauerjharrison and DoppleGanger:  I used the printer app under gnome. . . is it broken?  Under the web interface for CUPS, the printers do show up, just no printing.01:47
DoppleGangerwhat are you trying to print01:48
razorblade2000"sudo apt-get install koules" WORKS!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!01:48
labauerDG:  test page under the gnome printing app01:48
DoppleGangerand are you sure those printers can print did you try the test print01:48
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Swankyguyogra: fatal eroor01:48
ograSwankyguy: from modprobe ?01:49
DoppleGangerlabauer: try printing a document01:49
speeldoes the opengl library have a special name or anything?01:49
labauerDG:  As above, I did try the test print and no go01:49
DoppleGangerif test page fails in cups config then you need to reconfigure cups01:49
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eduallguien puede ayudarme con una duda sobre ubuntu?01:49
DoppleGangerque duda?01:50
edues recomendable que pase a sid?01:50
labauerDG:  So, from a cold boot of the CD, Ubuntu won't print w/o additional configuration, unlike Knoppix01:50
Swankyguyogra: yes01:51
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Swankyguyogra: device does not exist01:51
ograSwankyguy: so it's no sb801:51
DoppleGangerlabauer: probably not01:51
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DoppleGangerjust reconfigure it youself01:51
DoppleGangerits not that hard01:51
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ograSwankyguy: sb16 was ok, but i got no clue why you have no sound01:52
jharrisonI guess I should download the live cd01:52
labauerDG:  OK, I guess I'll have to hit the CUPS documention, then.  Knoppix always just worked for me, so I've never really deleved in.  Thanks, DG!01:52
jharrisonor wait to build my test box01:52
DoppleGangeredu: si ubuntu es debian sid pero es mejor usa debian sid que unbuntu01:52
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edupero puedo cambiarle los repositorios de ubuntu por los de sid?01:53
edubueno, y donde me puedo bajar debian sid?01:54
maruko-workwth, spanish?01:54
RichNrockvilleMDI get alsact1 not loaded load stat 1134 ?? any ideas?01:54
maruko-workyo quiero un burrito de queso!01:54
meffon using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it? thanks01:55
RichNrockvilleMDmaruko, you and the taco bell dog :)01:55
DoppleGangeredu: http://www.debian.org/international/Spanish01:55
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ogrameff: testing01:55
meffogra: hmm, someone should change that on there then.. :o01:55
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ogrameff: i have changed the wiki, several people had probs with unstable....i have no access to the website cms to change it there, i'll contact someone.....01:57
DoppleGangerhmmm go yankees01:57
meffogra: cool, thanks for your work01:58
razorblade2000i really begin to like ubuntu01:58
jayeolalet's see, the source code belongs in /usr/src/, right?01:58
cardadorjayeola: yes01:59
DoppleGangerhe eh 01:59
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jayeola<--- he does02:00
asubedii did not install grub while installing warty (did not want to wipe the grub already in mbr). What should be the entry in grub.conf?02:02
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rileyi don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but i was wondering how i would add a bash command that can access a program i've written from anywhere on the system02:04
meffriley: alias02:04
ukaszor put the exec in PATH02:04
rileymeff: thanks02:04
meffriley: like in .profile.. 'alias ultracommand=/some/dirs/path/bin/ultra'02:05
asubedianyone mind sharing their grub.conf with me :)02:05
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rileyoh ok i thought you meant alias was a bash command... thanks02:05
DoppleGangerhe eh 02:05
dev1hey, I'm about to install Ubuntu - how is it different from standard Debian?. Is the kernel the same as debian?02:06
meffdev1: read the website faq02:06
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meffwhy dont people read before they ask :/02:07
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DoppleGangeruse it well luke02:07
Dekkardtoo easy02:07
meffi think everyone should read and study ESR's 'smart questions' page02:07
dev1I'm looking for the FAQ but it doesn't tell me what the kernel version is02:07
cardadordev1: 2.6.802:08
meffyes yes that one DoppleGanger ;)02:08
jdubdev1:, patched02:08
dev1what is "standard debian-unstable" shipping?02:08
jdubno idea02:08
jdubdifferent to our kernel, anyway02:08
meffjdub, you a ubuntu dev?02:09
dev1I have to create some software that needs to go on debian but I hate Debian's installer and want to install Ubuntu instead02:09
jdububuntu uses a simplified version of debian's installer02:09
knewtok, took a while to get everything sorted out like i want but i've now successfully completed my upgrade from woody and everything seems good02:09
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nitini just installed ubuntu02:09
nitinwhats the 1st step to set up my 9700 pro?02:09
meffis there any plans including lm-sensors anytime? it tries to install deb kernel images when i try to aptitude it.. also, are there lmsensor modules in the ubuntu kernel?02:09
nitinanyone know what the 1st step is after a fresh install to setup ati drivers02:10
jdubmeff: $ find /lib/modules/ | grep sensor02:10
DoppleGangernitin: trm02:10
jdubnitin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki02:11
asubedijdub: what should be the entry in grub.conf? (didn't install while installing warty because didn't want to wipe out the one already there)02:11
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jdubasubedi: in menu.lst?02:11
asubedijdub: yes02:12
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jdubmine looks like02:12
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tvon|x31Hey, whats this about inotify in Hoary?02:12
jdubtitle           Ubuntu, kernel
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jdubroot            (hd0,0)02:12
jdubkernel          /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash02:12
jdubinitrd          /boot/initrd.img-
Swankyguyogra: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/5/24/16402:12
jdubDoppleGanger: please do not use 'rtfm' to answer questions here02:12
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asubedijdub, thanks :)02:13
nitinhow do i get linux-restricted modules >=
speelnitin use synaptic02:13
nitinand just search for that?02:13
SmokingFirelinux-restricted then pick your kernel02:13
jdubnitin: what kind of cpu do you have?02:13
nitinp4 2.6602:14
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nitinim doing the ati fglrx setup02:14
nitinand it says02:14
nitinNote: requires linux-restricted modules >=
jdubapt-get install linux-68602:14
dougallnitin: I just tried and failed miserably.02:14
jdubyou probably already have it02:14
jdub$ dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*02:14
nitinsudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.02:15
nitin    *02:15
nitin      or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.02:15
jdub^ do that to make sure02:15
nitinwhich one do i need?02:15
jdubthat's why i asked :)02:15
DoppleGangeruname -r02:15
nitinsudo apt-get install linux-68602:15
nitinnitin@TheBox:~ $ uname -r02:15
nitinso is linux-686 ok?02:16
jharrisonnitin: what cpu do you have?02:16
nitinp4 2.6602:16
jharrisonnitin: thats a 686 class cpu02:16
nitinand uname -r says
SmokingFireI want to submit a feature request for after first boot of Ubuntu, what component would that be?02:16
jharrisonnitin: how about putting 2 and 2 together02:16
nitini dunno ~_02:16
nitinwant to make sure02:17
jharrisonnitin: yes 686 would be the kernel optimised for your cpu02:17
nitinE: Couldn't find package linux-68602:17
jharrisonnitin: if you had an athlon xp you would use a k7 kernel02:17
nitindo i need to enable a reposortory?02:17
jharrisonnitin: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.802:17
jdubjharrison: linux-image in ubuntu02:18
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ions|ubuntuanyone here get gaim-vv working?02:18
jharrisonthat sucks02:18
DoppleGangereh eh02:18
jharrisonhow do you know what kernel is what02:18
jdubjharrison: linux-image-....02:18
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jduband there are a bunch of metapackages like linux-68602:18
jharrisonso apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.802:18
ficusplanetHey everyone.  Just wanted to say congratulations on the Warty release!  I and many others at my University switched distros when you released the preview and have loved it ever since.02:19
ions|ubuntuanyone here get gaim-vv working?02:19
jharrisonI hear ubuntu removed the semi-nude stuff today02:19
ficusplanetjharrison, Not removed.  By they aren't the default any longer.02:19
jharrisonits for the best02:20
ficusplanet(At least as far as I can tell.)02:20
meffficusplanet: yeah, me and a couple of hardcore debian user friends have switched over lately too :)02:20
nitiny doesnt ubuntu come with firefox 1.0pr?02:20
tvon|x31too buggy02:20
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ions|ubuntuanyone here get gaim-vv working?02:21
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jharrisonI know what gaim is02:21
LeeColletonions|ubuntu: I'm more interested in gaim-encryption..02:21
jharrisondont know what gaim-vv is02:21
jharrisonLeeColleton: yeah02:22
ions|ubuntuvoice & video02:22
theantixnitin: I'm sure when 1.0 final comes out someone will make Ubuntu packages for it02:22
jharrisonoh ok02:22
vircuseris ubuntu community developed?02:22
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ogravircuser: regarding here are over 240 ppl inside... yess02:23
theantixvircuser: I think it is mainly Canonical employees right now, but they are aiming to increase community involvment02:23
theantixon the other hand, a lot of the packages come from debian so maybe that isn't fair of me to say02:24
vircusersounds cool anyway02:24
theantixoh yes, it's very cool :-)02:25
vircuseri think i'll go install it02:25
vircuser..right now02:25
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RuffianSoldierhi all02:25
RuffianSoldierUBUNTU RULES!02:25
nitinjust to ppoint out theres a spelln mistake under the binarydriverhowto02:25
nitinit says02:25
ograRuffianSoldier: WE KNOW !02:26
nitinflgrx-control when its fglrx-control02:26
jharrisonRuffianSoldier: you leading the pep rally?02:26
LeeColletonare there any issues with including strong encryption with ubuntu?  Why was gnupg included but no key manager (like seahorse or gpa)?02:26
meffheh, gnupg is a key manager02:26
jharrisonNg: fglrx?02:26
LeeColletonyeah, like lynx is a web browser02:26
theantixLeeColleton: both are in universe02:26
jharrisondamn he quit02:26
georgiaLeeColleton: lynx IS a web browser02:27
Ngwha? ;)02:27
LeeColletontheantix: I know, but it seems like a useful part of a desktop system02:27
LeeColletongeorgia: and gnupg IS a key manager.  I know.02:27
georgiayou shoudl have specified a GUI key manager02:27
ograRuffianSoldier: only 5 :(02:27
mefflast time i checked most of those graphical key managers were dead :)02:27
SmokingFireI just logged a enhancement for Ubuntu, what do you think? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=258502:27
jharrisonRuffianSoldier: link?02:27
tvon|x31Didn't seahorse just have a new release?02:28
georgiagpg is not a gui key manager and lynx is not a gui browser, but they are respectively key managers and browsers02:28
theantixI think Seahorse is being considered for gnome 2.10 isn't it?02:28
LeeColletonI'm making the point that the average end user will not be able to use gnupg from the command line.  Nor will they want to use lynx02:28
tvon|x31dunno, I have/use it and it's decent02:28
tvon|x31though the nautilus context menu gets a little croweded02:28
brettcarSmokingFire: I think no one will read it02:28
theantixLeeColleton: I agree with you, I think Seahorse should be in main -- perhaps you could nominate it for inclusion02:28
brettcarSmokingFire: Sadly.02:28
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jdubLeeColleton: the guis for gpg stuff have not been very good so far02:29
jdubLeeColleton: however, there's a new version of seahorse that is supposed to be better02:29
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SmokingFirebrettcar: That thought crossed my mind, but it would not be a big deal to do it and some would read it or hopefully remember its there.02:29
jharrisonmy browser says ubuntu is number 25 on distrowatch02:29
hk-alfaRuffianSoldier: number 4 :D02:29
tvon|x31Encrypting things via nautilus context menu would be more useful if the files could be automatically decrypted by whatever needed to open them02:29
tvon|x31well, automatically with prompt02:29
meffis there any menu in ubuntu like the debian menu in debian that shows all the installed pkgs for like, every window manager.. ?02:30
theantixjharrison: set it a different timespan, like last month or last two months02:30
tvon|x31game on02:30
tvon|x31effing Boston..they just do this to torture their fans02:30
hk-alfajharrison: sort by last 1 month02:30
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jharrisonnow ubuntu is 4 and debian is 502:30
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nitin2hey i installed the fglrx moduloes and restarted and it doesnt work02:30
nitin2i see fglrx module under lsmod02:30
nitin2but its using mesa02:31
jharrisonand mandrake (the suck ass distro of all time) is number 102:31
brettcarnitin2: Did you add it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:31
brettcarnitin2: How do you know it is still using mesa?02:31
jharrisonnitin2: you have an ati card?02:31
theantixjharrison: just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks -- it's very good for a lot of people02:31
nitin2nitin@TheBox:~ $ fglrxinfo02:31
nitin2display: :0.0  screen: 002:31
nitin2OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org02:31
nitin2OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect02:31
nitin2OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.402:31
jharrisontheantix: yeah ok02:31
jharrisonnitin2: !02:32
nitin20000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro] 02:32
nitin20000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [Radeon 9700 Pro]  (Secondary)02:32
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nitin2so wtf is up with this..02:32
ogralol, linux CD is selling ubuntu for 1,9902:32
LinuxJonesTime to check out the new live cd .... muahhhh02:32
jharrisonnitin2: did you compile a kernel?02:32
nitin2its clean i JUST instaled it02:32
nitin2and installed the fglrx02:32
jharrisonnitin2: did you make the driver?02:33
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jharrisonnitin2: lomod | grep fglrx02:33
Erndili need help02:33
nitin2its running02:33
jharrisonnitin2: did you see a module called fglrx listed?02:33
DoppleGangerha ah so all the crap distros get the higher ratings he eh 02:33
Erndili spanish so i talk a little bad english02:33
nitin2nitin@TheBox:/var/log $ lsmod | grep fglrx02:33
nitin2fglrx                 214820  002:33
jharrisonDoppleGanger: now now they are all good for a lot of poeple02:33
Erndili want to install an Ati Radeon 9600 pro in ubuntu02:34
RuffianSoldierI just order my 30 free ubuntu CDs, 10 for i386, 10 for Power PC, and 10 for AMD64 ALL FOR FREE!02:34
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jharrisonnitin2: did you convert it to a .deb with alien?02:34
nitin2i used the freking sudo apt-get install fglrx-diver02:34
jharrisonnitin2: did you run fglrxconfig?02:34
nitin2but i dont think so02:34
nitin2i dont need to02:34
meffhmm crap.. anyone have a prob with k3b not finding their burner? it wont detect my hp02:35
meffthough i just burned something fine with cdrecord..02:35
jharrisonnevermind then02:35
cardadorErndil: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:35
jharrisonI dont use ubuntu so maybe im telling you something I shouldnt be02:35
jharrisonubuntu might do it different02:35
jharrisonI dont want to mess you up02:35
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jharrisonmy ati card runs wonderful though :-P02:36
jharrisonI have 3D accel up to my eye balls02:36
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nitin2heres my log02:36
nitin2(II) fglrx(0): [agp]  AGP v3 disable mask   0x0000000002:36
nitin2(II) fglrx(0): [agp]  enabling AGP with mode=0x1f004f0a02:36
nitin2(EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  Failed to set AGP mode!02:36
nitin2(EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP02:36
nitin2(II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel02:36
nitin2(II) fglrx(0): [drm]  unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xe0b26000 at 0x4023300002:36
RuffianSoldiershould i do an apt-get update and then upgrade since Ubuntu Final came out?02:36
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nitin2closed it02:37
nitin2did u see the log?02:37
nitin2wtf is that 02:37
RuffianSoldieranswer for my question?02:37
ograRuffianSoldier: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes02:37
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jharrisonnitin2: looks like you have an agp problem02:37
nitin2is 8x a problem?02:37
nitin2should i turn it down to 4x on mobo02:38
witigonenSo, I just installed Ubuntu... and I don't really recall it ever asking me for a root password.  02:38
nitin2then wt02:38
jharrisoneither the fglrx agp is not working properly for your hardware02:38
Netminderwow a bunch of space got trimmed from the release ISO size.02:38
RuffianSoldierwitigonen: heh, ubuntu has none02:38
ograwitigonen: it shouldn'T, there is none02:38
jharrisonyou are not using the kernel agpgart module02:38
plasmowitigonen: sudo ;)02:38
ograwitigonen: just use your own pw everywhere02:39
lupus_how do I enable hald to use fstab-sync and add all my partitions to /media?02:39
witigonenOkay, that's what I was wondering.  I tried su with my own password and that didn't work, so I didn't know what was going on.  Thanks!02:39
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jharrisonso if someone cracks your normal user password they can sudo whatever they want02:40
ograjharrison: if someone cracks you root pw as well02:40
LinuxJonesjharrison, they have to get your userID as well 1st02:41
ograbut with sudo he fist has to guess your username ;)02:41
jharrisonogra: yeah but my root password is different then my user password 02:41
witigonenHow do I go about mounting NTFS partitions?  Or.. is there an FAQ I can look at so I don't have to bother you people with questions you hear forty times a day?02:41
jharrisonogra: is your user name ogra?02:41
ograjharrison: sudo is logging all commands02:41
hk-alfahmm ubuntu es buena para servidor?02:42
LinuxJoneswitigonen, there should be something in the faq about that. There are about 10 requests per day for that. Give me a sec ...02:42
ograjharrison: how could you guess....you just broke the first security barrier of my system *g*02:42
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jharrisonogra: I didnt guess02:42
__danielgood night guys02:42
snarfholy crap, ubuntu is nice.. autodetected everything.. but does it have to do a full install of everything?02:43
jharrisonogra: now for your password02:43
RuffianSoldiersnarf: its Ubuntu02:43
LinuxJoneswitigonen, >> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php02:44
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snarfnah, it cant be02:44
ograjharrison: but keep quiet ;)02:44
SmokingFirewhat does sudo stand for?02:44
jharrisonogra: will do02:44
jharrisonSmokingFire: super user do02:44
ograjharrison: *g*02:44
jharrisonogra: want me to tell you your ip?02:45
jharrisonogra: where youa re from?02:45
jharrisonogra: etc...?02:45
limaunionhk-alfa: pienso que si, por que no ? se instala lo basico y lo adicional por apt02:45
ograjharrison: i thoght superman.....02:45
DoppleGangermwa ha ha 02:45
DoppleGangerman its so hard to read man mount02:45
chuckdid anyone have trouble with ubuntu not configing their monitor?02:45
jharrisonogra: to find these thigns out is very easy if you know what to look for02:45
ograjharrison: my mobile number would impress me !!02:45
jharrisonogra: dont know if I can get that02:45
jharrisonogra: we will have to see02:46
ograjharrison: you wont ---- it's prepaid02:46
DoppleGangerchuck: man xorgconfig02:46
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snarfdoes ubuntu have anything to help me set up printing?02:47
nitin2i got it to work02:47
chuckhave to reinstall it on the laptop02:47
nitin2but it thinks i have a 9500 pro now02:47
jharrisonogra: germany02:47
nitin2and i get way lower fps02:47
LinuxJonessnarf, Computer >> System Config >> Priniting02:47
nitin2i usuaally get 4000+ on glxgears and now i get 2000+02:47
ograjharrison: thats easy, you just had to scroll up02:48
snarfnever used gnome 2.x02:48
DoppleGangerha ha hey chuck reinstall probably won't work02:48
DoppleGangerreading the manual will02:48
jharrisonogra: i wasnt paying attention02:48
chuckhow so?02:48
witigonenSo weird... LinuxJones, I can mount all the windows partitions on the same disk as the ubuntu install, but I can't access my other all ntfs harddrive.  It gives me a permissions error, though it appears to mount it fine.02:49
limaunionwhich's the right location to create directories to mount my different ntfs/msdos/etc filesystems, /mnt or /media ?02:49
ograjharrison: send my pw to hostmaster@grawert.net if you got it and i'll hire you if my comany is asking for a security review :)02:49
nitin2god damn02:49
nitin2this is y linux is garg.02:49
jharrisonogra: no thanks I have a job I love already02:50
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lupus_witigonen, did you use gid and uid02:50
jharrisonogra: and I have better things to do then crack your password02:50
LinuxJoneswitigonen, I don't have any windows machines, can you view them as root user ?02:50
lupus_otherwise users can't use it even when user is in the fstab options02:50
jharrisonLinuxJones: what?02:50
LinuxJonesjharrison, ??02:51
nitin2anyone know how to get the ati drivers to p r o p e r l y work?02:51
ograjharrison: thoght it was this easy.... nevermind02:51
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jharrisonogra: passwords are a little more difficult02:51
jharrisonogra: I meant finding usernames and ips and locations02:52
witigonenLinuxJones, since the cd command doesn't appear to work with sudo, I don't know if root can view it or not.  It looks just like user doesn't have the permissions.  However, the other windows partitions, which have the exact same setting, all work fine.  I used umask for all of them.02:52
chuckdopple man xorgconfig didnt work either02:53
ograjharrison: i know how easy that is.... 02:53
LinuxJoneswitigonen, wish I could offer more help :D02:53
jharrisonogra: great02:54
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TheMusowitigonen: You can do sudo bash02:55
jharrisontime to go code02:56
TheMusoWhich can get you into a root shell.02:56
DoppleGangerchuck: google02:56
DoppleGangerever heard of it02:56
witigonenTheMuso, thanks.02:56
chuckdopple thanks for the help02:56
spacejunkhas anyone gotten sound working on a Dell Insprion 8200?02:56
ograjharrison: bye :)02:56
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TheMusospacejunk: What sound card does the laptop have?02:56
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tolstoydyuguys know how to get emacs to recognize the scroll-wheel?  seems to do so naturally under, uh, another distribution. ;)02:56
TheMusoDid the install or hotplug find the card?02:56
LinuxJonesDoppleGanger, please don't be rude to people02:57
DoppleGangerhow is saying use google rude02:57
spacejunkTheMuso, Intel AC'9702:57
LinuxJonesDoppleGanger, the ever heard of it part is rude02:57
DoppleGangeri am not gonna sit here and explain manual to someone02:57
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DoppleGangerLinuxJones: what are you a fascist02:57
tolstoynevermind. found it.02:57
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clochejmwill there be a firefox upgrade soon?02:58
chuckDopple dont explain man to me i understand the concept, but if you dont WANT to help then allow someone else to help02:58
spacejunkwait; I think I found the problem02:58
LinuxJonesDoppleGanger, considering you told him to man for something that doesn't exist on ubuntu, let's leave it @ that.02:59
witigonenIt hangs for a very, very long time when it tries to mount or ls as root in the folder.02:59
ograLinuxJones: he's gone02:59
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witigonen(There's an obscene amount of folders in there, but I don't think that's the cause- could the drive not be plugged in fully or something very strange like that?  It shows up in fdisk -l, so I wouldn't think so)02:59
TheMusowitigonen: Sorry I came in kinda late. What is your problem?03:00
ukaszanybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper?03:00
DashivaIf anyone knows anything about quantum computing/quantum cryptography or knows of a good primer to help me in writing something PM me plz :D. (amsg03:00
TheMusoukasz: Are you using GNOME? If so, right click on the desktop, and you will see an option at the bottom of the menu to do just that.03:00
SmokingFirewitigonen: your trying to mount a ntfs partition right?03:00
ukasznope no gnome ^^03:00
ograukasz: right klick on you dektop ?03:00
djempakukasz, try ImageMagick03:00
ukaszwhich command?03:00
witigonenSmokingFire, yes.03:01
ograukasz: xsertroot03:01
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TheMusowitigonen: Have you run a chkdsk on the partition recently from Windows?03:01
chucklinuxjones i install ubuntu on a laptop and the screen is unusable03:01
witigonenTheMuso, no, I haven't, but it was working perfectly earlier today in Fedora.03:01
ograukasz: sorry, xsetroot03:01
TheMusochuck: Do you know what video card the laptop has?03:01
ShadowHawkSo I just updated the preview release to Warty.  Hello NAKEDOS03:01
SmokingFirewitigonen: if you know the partition name e.g. hda3 or hdb2 03:01
chucki could find out03:01
witigonenSmokingFire, hda1.  It's an external hard drive, my main drive is SATA.03:02
SmokingFirewitigonen: then create a folder in /mnt or /media named for example windows --> mkdir /mnt/windows03:02
witigonenEr, not external, internal IDE, sorry.03:02
witigonenSmokingFire, already done that, my two other ntfs partitions work wonderfully but this one isn't.03:02
TheMusochuck: Type lspci -v and have a look through what you see. You should see somewthing about your video card.03:02
ukaszogra: xsetroot does not support png03:02
LinuxJoneschuck, ctrl+alt+F2 then sudo -s then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 03:02
SmokingFireafter creating the directory, to test it you then do as sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows03:02
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SmokingFirewitigonen: ok, sorry03:03
nitin2hey i might have gotten it wroking03:03
nitin2but i get this error on glxinfo03:03
nitin2glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:03
nitin2i think i need to make a simlink or something>?03:03
ukaszanybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper (that supports png)?03:03
TheMusonitin2: Do you have that library installed anywhere?03:03
chucki need to install it on the laptop again... i put SuSE on it, but i would rather run ubuntu03:03
nitin2it was installed fine03:03
witigonenSmokingFire, no problem :)03:03
nitin2i just instaled fglrx drivers03:03
nitin2and its giving me that error03:04
witigonenI have to go, actually, but I'll be back later, thank you everyone for your help.03:04
jgarret1hi!! I'm new to ubuntu..not linux though...is there a forum for ubuntu??03:04
ograukasz: try chameleon03:04
jgarret1kk! thanks03:04
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ukaszogra, chameleon works fine, thanks03:06
LinuxJoneschuck backup your /etc/X11XF86Config-4 file from your Suse install to a floppy. Then copy to Ubuntu after install.03:06
TheMusoLinuxJones: I am not sure if that is the best idea. All he needs is the driver info, but sometimes different distros do things differently, I.E fonts, etc.03:07
TheMusoI have tried doing that accross different distros before, with less than satisfactory results.03:08
ograLinuxJones: i'd rather take knoppix or try the ubuntu live cd03:08
chuckATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (r128)03:08
TheMusochuck: What might be an idea, is if you can, grab the latest live cd release, load that, and then copy the configuration from that onto your HD.03:08
ograchuck: or pendrive, or floppy03:09
chuckSuse is just so gooyey03:09
LinuxJonesTheMuso, it's easier to try restoring from backup but that's just me :)03:10
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ShadowHawkWhere is the loading screen and desktop file stored?  I'd like to open them in an image program.03:10
chuckrunning ubuntu on my desktop03:10
ShadowHawkThe default one, rather.03:10
labauerHas anyone got the live cd version to print to any kind of printer?03:11
clochejmwhere is the default gnome themes folder?03:11
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ograShadowHawk: /usr/share/pixmaps/splash03:12
ShadowHawkogra: thanks03:13
labauerSo, no one has a working printer?03:13
ograclochejm: /usr/share/themes/Default03:14
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clochejmogra, thanks03:14
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LinuxJoneslabauer , Computer >> System Config >> Priniting03:14
labauerLJ:  Yup, that is what I tried. . .but it didn't work.  Did it for you?03:14
LinuxJoneslabauer , it worked for me on my hd install but I havn't tried the livecd yet :)03:16
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labauerLJ:  What kind of printer?  parallel, usb, network?03:16
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chuckmy printer works03:17
labauerChuck:  What kinda hookup to the printer do you have?03:17
LinuxJoneslabauer , usb03:17
TheMusolabauer: Do you have gimp-print installed? Perhaps if that was installed you may get the right driver?03:18
TheMusoOrhave I totally missed what is going on here?03:18
chuckprinter port03:18
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MeAndUI have installed MPLAYER and kept getting the following error - Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf )03:18
clochejmis a firefox upgrade coming soon?03:19
chuckLabauer but i am running the installed Ubuntu03:19
ShadowHawkogra: what about the default desktop, rather than the splash screen?03:19
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DashivaMeAndU, install the mplayer-fonts package03:19
clochejmthat would make installing plugins so much easier03:19
MeAndUWhere can i find this file03:19
fscubuntu should ship with auto-hinting on in /etc/fonts/local.conf.  It makes a world of difference to me and I can say that fonts on Ubuntu look as good as XP now.  woot03:19
MeAndUok will try that03:19
labauerTheMuso:  I've tried installing networked printers (HPJetDirect & Windows) via the printer tool under the "Computer" menu and via the web interface for CUPS.  They work under knoppix, but not ubuntu03:20
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ograShadowHawk: /usr/share/backgrounds03:20
LinuxJonesMeAndU, install mplayer-fonts03:20
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LinuxJonesfsc, what does that do ?03:22
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atariboysweet 153 seeds for the torrent03:23
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MeAndULinuxJones, Thanks i will try that, but now i am doing an upgrade. Not sure though if the package is there for amd-6403:23
LinuxJonesMeAndU, I want your computer :)03:24
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ograMeAndU: else you can link any .ttf file you like to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf03:24
MeAndULinuxJones, Why not take it in vertual space03:25
Ghostyhello guys... may I ask? which iso should I download from the download page? Should I grab the live if I want to install to HDD or should I get the release?03:25
ograGhosty: get the release03:25
chucknight all03:25
Ghostythanx... I'll be joining wif you guys after I install03:25
atariboyGhosty: the torrent in the topic works well03:26
MeAndUogra, Whats the command to do that say i have a font.ttf in my ~/fontdir03:26
ograMeAndU: ln -s ~/.fonts/font.ttf ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf03:27
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occyanyone know where rhythmbox keeps it's preferences?03:28
Dashivaoccy, .gnome2/rhythmbox/03:28
occyDashiva, thanks bunches03:28
punkassis there a 'gui' way to remove files from a cdrw?03:28
ograoccy: whats wrong with the settings ?03:28
occyheh, it didn't like what I imported...03:28
occyand it wouldn't start up anymore03:29
occyso I nuked (just now)  ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/03:29
occynow it starts03:29
ograoccy: try gconf-editor and look in apps/rhythmbox03:29
occyI don't like that you can't simply drag and drop a file from nautilus onto it.03:29
occyand xmms is broken in ubuntu03:29
Dashivayou need to install mikmod with it03:30
Dashivawhy it isn't in the dependency chain is a mystery03:30
Dashivait's the same in debian03:30
LinuxJonesDashiva, why isn't that included in dependencies ... weird03:30
occylibmikmod2 - A portable sound library03:30
DespairDashiva: even more of a mystery is why nobody uses the better mod lib, dumb...03:30
occythat fixed it ;)03:31
occyyou'd think that would be a dep.03:31
ogranight all (3:30 AM in germany)03:32
LinuxJonescya ofra03:32
LinuxJoneserr ogra03:32
Despairthough at least debian packages libdumb0. :)03:32
occyit's working now, so I reckon I can't complain too much ;)03:33
occyI look forward to when I can have Ubuntu goodness on my laptop.03:33
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Dashivabut i do like pie03:34
occywell... xmms is a pile...03:35
occynasty gtk1 stuff03:35
Dashivabut it's got plugins up the yinyang03:35
Dashivabeep is kinda sexy i guess03:35
Dashivabeep media player03:36
Dashivait's a gtk2 rip of xmms03:36
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Dashivanot sure if it's in ubuntu repository tho03:36
DespairDashiva: how's beep stability now? last time I tried it, it crashed if I tried to add anything to the playlist.03:36
occyGet:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe beep 1.2.2-13 [17.9kB] 03:36
occyyou run it and it just goes beep03:37
ionsany idea why I'd get this error when trying to compile gaim-vv: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH ?03:37
Dashivathough i guess if you're a minimalist the former would suffice03:37
Dashivaprobably because you don't have gcc03:37
LinuxJonesions, install build-essential03:37
ionsapt-get install build-essential?03:38
occyDashiva, thanks03:38
ionsty LinuxJones ! :)03:39
occythe skin fits in perfectly with my setup too03:39
DashivaDespair, it works for me03:39
LinuxJonesions, :)03:39
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meffhow do i enable antialiasing in firefox?03:39
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Dashivai still dig xmms because it's got all my annoying xchat spam scripts03:40
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LinuxJonesnight all work early tomorrow :)03:41
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nitin2god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!03:47
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nitin2god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!03:48
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nitin2well its driving me crazy03:49
nitin2and no one knows how to help03:49
nitin2ill just rip all my hair out03:49
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Phr0stByteThats a Radeon03:49
nitin2radeon 9700 pro03:49
ukaszisn't 9500 the same as 9700?03:49
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nitin2damn ati03:50
nitin2go to hell03:50
nitin2i wish i bought a radeon..03:50
nitin2i mean03:50
calcukasz: its similiar, but not the same03:51
ukaszI'm ignorant on ati... I have leet nvidia XD03:51
nitin2im doing a full ubuntu update to see if anything will magically work03:52
nitin2downloading 120 megs..03:52
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nitin222 min03:52
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ushooznitin2, what is wrong?03:55
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nitin2my radeon 970003:55
nitin2ubuntu thinks its a 950003:55
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nitin2just doesnt work good03:55
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Aan23433phrostbyte, have yet to receive a cease and desist letter from your friendly ISP?03:56
nitin2would the send one?03:56
Aan23433phrosbtyte, I think you will get one soon..03:56
nitin2i dont think they care would they?03:56
Aan23433they do...03:56
Aan23433bec. unlimited internet isn't really unlimited...03:56
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Aan23433"subject to terms and conditions" which you clicked when you signed up for your broadband..03:57
Aan23433reasonable usage whatever that means..03:57
Aan23433but 130Gig seems quite a lot..03:57
Aan23433so what you've been downloading?03:57
Aan23433what program were you using?03:57
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TheMuso130GB is stupidly too much. Do you people download just for the sake of it? Wow!03:58
ushooznitin2, what do you mean does not work good? No GL?03:58
Aan23433heh, wished I had that much bandwidht.03:58
nitin2yes gl but i KNOW that when linux thinks its a 9700 pro correctly it get way better fps03:58
Aan23433hmm... I am kinda using my neighbour's "free" wifi..03:58
RuffianSoldieranyone here know The Gimp well?03:58
Aan23433problem is, I am not leeching anything..but there are like 10 other people..03:58
nitin2say, in glxgears i get over 2000 more fps03:58
nitin2tho its not a bm03:59
Aan23433how could there be possible 10 people all leeching off this poor guy?03:59
Aan23433i mean... jesus..find some other AP..03:59
Dashivahe's dumb enough to leave it open heh04:00
Aan23433or better yet, limited to moderated browsing..04:00
Aan23433actually, I am hoping it's intentional..04:00
ushooznitin2, ah, I thought you were not have GL at all. My ATI stinks in Linux on the hardware it is on04:00
Aan23433if I had cable, I would leave it open..04:00
Aan23433and my SSID would be "abuseitorloseit"04:01
Dashivaanything to burn bin/cue files in ubuntu?04:01
meffcdrdao Dashiva04:01
Dashivarephrase - anything easy to use to burn bin/cue files04:01
TheMusoAnd Gcdmaster is a nice front-end04:01
meffuh whats hard about cdrdao04:01
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LeeColletonAan23433: wouldn't that be "abuseitANDloseit"?04:01
clochejmis anyone have really slow network/internet performance?04:02
meffcdrdao write --device /dev/hdd --driver generic-mmc --overburn --speed 10 -v 9 blah.cue04:02
Aan23433meff, some people just have hard time remembering bunch of CL stuff"04:02
TheMusoAccessing what?04:02
Aan23433lee, true.. heh.04:02
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Dashivai got a cd to waste...lesse if it works04:02
Dashivashoud i sudo it04:02
clochejmAan23433, network performance is extremely slow04:02
clochejmAan23433, it takes forever for it to resolve addresses04:03
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clochejmany ideas?04:03
Aan23433clochejm, hmm.. sorry.. I am a n00b..04:03
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clochejmdoes anyone else notice slow resolving of addresses04:04
joshua__Hey, I'm having a couple of problems with my brand-new Ubuntu install.  During bootup, I get several Hotplug FATAL ERRORS (for modules pciehp and shpchp).  Then, when I go to shutdown, my box hangs at the "Sent ACPI_turn_off command" (or something similar).  I have a feeling these two problems are related.  Anyone have any ideas how to fix these?04:04
TheMusoTHe modules pciehp and shpchp are nothing to worry about. However, I don't think the module failure messages are supposed to come up.04:05
Aan23433hmm.. i think your box is working properly..04:05
Aan23433acpi off command should normally turn off your computer..without having to reach for the power switch..04:06
Aan23433as long as all modules and mounts are unmounted, I think you should be safe.04:06
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Aan23433fyi, I got the exact error messages..04:06
TheMusojoshua__: What is your motherboard?04:06
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clochejmonce my downloads start I'm at 4000K/sec... but it takes forever for a website to load04:07
clochejmany ideas?04:07
paulproteusclochejm: Your DNS servers are flaky.04:07
paulproteusTry on a command line:04:07
paulproteushost asheesh.org04:07
clochejmhow do I fix that?04:07
paulproteusSee how long it takes.04:07
paulproteusWhat ISP do you use?04:07
clochejmit came back fast04:08
clochejmRoad Runner Business Class04:08
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clochejmit resolved quickly04:08
paulproteusHmm.  Usually that's a symptom of bad DNS.04:08
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paulproteusWell, what browser are you using?04:08
paulproteusAnd have you tried using a different one?04:08
Aan23433joshua, any new solutions for usb wifi problems?04:08
clochejmI tried mozilla and it was the same04:08
ushoozclochejm, you know what your DNS sever should be set to?04:09
TheMusoclochejm: What about using an FTP client?04:09
paulproteusclochejm: Perhaps you should try adding this to your DNS servers list:04:09
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clochejmI haven't tried any FTP04:09
paulproteusThat's from the University of Rochester, and it's fairly fast.04:09
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clochejmwhere is the master list?04:09
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joshua__TheMuso, I have a Epox 8k3a mainboard04:09
ushoozclochejm, look at /etc/resolv.conf04:09
clochejmushooz, thanks04:10
Fart-Doh-Ruhquestion : how is ubuntu going to cover the costs of sending out so many free cds04:10
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TheMusojoshua__: Are you running the latest kernel?04:10
Fart-Doh-Ruhno hidden costs right ?04:10
nitin2ubuntu must make some ati drivers for r300 chipsets04:10
nitin2ati's SUCK04:10
joshua__i'm running whichever one came with the final release today, i think?04:10
TheMusoFart-Doh-Ruh: A large number of pressed CDs doesn't usually cost much.04:10
Aan23433let's see, you can get CDR's for peanuts... postage would suck...04:10
joshua__Aan23433, if they send it as a nonprofit postage would be very cheap04:11
paulproteusCanonical Software, Incorporated (-:04:11
Fart-Doh-RuhTheMuso, interested to order quite a big number so that we can pass them around during freesoftware day next year in Malaysia04:11
Aan23433heck, I bought so much free after rebate CDR's from Office stores.04:11
TheMusojoshua__: I think is the latest.04:11
paulproteus(BTW, is Ubuntu *really* going with the naked-people graphics in the login screen?  It's slightly embarrassing when I tell people they should use this, and then they ask me about that. ;-)04:11
joshua__TheMuso, that's the one, (<-- duh) :/04:11
TheMusopaulproteus: No04:11
ushoozpaulproteus, they changed that with yesterdays update04:12
clochejmushooz, do I need to restart the network service then?04:12
Aan23433paul, you call that naked?04:12
joshua__paulproteus, not in the final release04:12
Aan23433it's not even soft-core..04:12
paulproteusI know, they're not really naked.04:12
ushoozclochejm, should not have to04:12
paulproteusThough I am looking right down that girl's cleavage.04:12
paulproteusCollege-age guys to whom I give Ubuntu often ask, "What's with the shirtless guys?"04:12
Aan23433I was expecting something more... like triple action.... "black chick covering his boobs, and the white chick's boobs were hidden behind Ubuntu logo"... I say censorship.04:12
Fart-Doh-Ruhheh yeah that is not naked04:12
fscI have a question about mounting.  I can mount a fat32 partition fine, but my user can't access it and if I bring up a root terminal it can't change the directory permissions04:13
paulproteus("Ooh, my desktop's loading.  And there are shirtless guys.")04:13
ukaszstrange thing, my XF86Config-4 is written so I should have "1152x864" resolution, and I have "1024x768". Anybody knows how to fix that?04:13
Aan23433fsc, I had the same problem.. sudo did't help.. oh well.. 04:13
joshua__TheMuso, synaptic says I have nothing to upgrade :/04:13
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TheMusojoshua__: Did you update first?04:14
clochejmushooz, thanx for your help... that did the trick04:14
paulproteusushooz: Oh, good, glad to hear that.  Is there an image of the final one somewhere?04:14
paulproteusclochejm: What fixed it?04:14
ushoozpaulproteus, it is back to the one before the people ones. It is a generic Ubuntu login04:14
clochejmadding another dns entry04:14
TheMusopaulproteus: If you are running Ubuntu, simply update.04:14
joshua__TheMuso, yep.04:14
clochejmit must be my isp tonight or something04:14
clochejmvery strange04:14
paulproteusTheMuso: Waiting for my iBook to get back from repair.  I'm running Debian Sarge here on my desktop.04:15
Aan23433ah.. ibook..04:15
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TheMusojoshua__: Since it is a desktop, you might want to consider only using apm, which should turn off your system.04:15
TheMusojoshua__: Unless you want to monitor CPU temps, etc.04:15
=== Aan23433 had enough of Windows crap and hardware conflict... and arcaneness of linux.
joshua__TheMuso, is there any real reason why not using ACPI would hurt me later?04:15
clochejmushooz, do you have the newest firefox working?04:15
adam_hey guys the Ubuntu Login screen itself, the loading screen, can I change the graphic?04:16
TheMusoYeah, go into system config, login screen04:16
ushoozukasz, you should be able to change to 1024x768 by changing that in your XF86Config-4 file. 04:16
joshua__TheMuso, it's just weird, because my bios says it supports ACPI04:16
ushoozclochejm, nope. I use .93 here04:16
TheMusojoshua__: ACPI doesn allow you to directly monitor your CPU.04:16
baHamadam_, you dont like that strabic chick, do you ?04:16
Aan23433adam, are you looking for more "nude" log-in page?04:16
ukaszushooz, I did that04:16
clochejmushooz, ok04:16
ushoozukasz, what gfx card?04:16
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adam_no lol04:16
adam_non-nude preferable, something more like my desktop04:17
joshua__okay, i'll give it a shot.  how do i turn off acpi?04:17
TheMusojoshua__: Yeah, but the kernel doesn't have proper support for turning the system off it seems.04:17
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ushoozukasz, are you using the nvidia accelerated drivers?04:17
baHamI thing that on the next update there will be chicks anymore..04:17
ushoozor the default XFree drivers04:17
ushoozukasz, ok add this line04:17
baHamlike everybody who got ubuntu doesnt like it04:17
ukaszand I have hardware accel04:17
adam_and i'm not talking about the login screen, talking about hte loading screen.04:17
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meffadam_: its all in the wiki faq04:18
Aan23433the white guy covering his mammary glands is really funny.. I mean jesus, he's a guy.04:18
ushoozukasz, under the section monitor add this04:18
ushooz        Option          "IgnoreEDID" "1"04:18
ukaszwhat does it do?04:18
baHamAan23433, right, right04:18
ushoozthe closed source nvidia drivers tries to read what your monitor is cable off and it guesses wrong sometimes04:19
baHamAan23433, I dont thing he is a guy.. he looks more like an alien04:19
ushoozoff = of04:19
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Aan23433ah.. the jokes of uber-geeks..04:19
paulproteusI'm going to teach a mini course at JHU, student to student.  I want to teach Windows users to convert to Ubuntu and learn to love Linux on their desktops.  Any ideas for a course title?  (And/or, any suggestions on what all to teach?  I haven't been a Windows user for years....)04:19
Aan23433are all geeks closet-type gays? 04:19
paulproteusAan23433: ?04:19
ushoozpaulproteus, that is a tall order :)04:20
djempakhey, the only thing that matters is if the ladies like the guy04:20
lejeunefillepaulproteus: i suggest you use something more stable than ubuntu for that class04:20
lejeunefillehow about04:20
Aan23433paulproteus, Linux Demystified.04:20
paulproteusStable in what way?04:20
paulproteusushooz: Well, I have three weeks to teach it.04:20
baHampaulproteus, what is "JHU" ? University of ?04:20
Aan23433seriously... three weeks to teach linux..04:20
Aan23433good luck..04:20
lejeunefilleThe idiots guide to How to better clean Windows04:20
lejeunefilleubuntu is not stable yet04:21
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paulproteusAan23433: Enough to get them on their feet, at least.04:21
lejeunefillevery buggy04:21
Aan23433I think Knoppix or even Lindows might be a better choice.04:21
paulproteuslejeunefille: Oh, I hadn't realized.  I've only used it a little.04:21
paulproteusWhat kind of bugs does it have?04:21
baHampaulproteus, the point is to convert them, not to find a proper title.. 04:21
TheMusolejeunefille: It may be buggy for you, but may not be for others.04:21
adam_Are there websites that have alternate themes for login and splash screens?04:21
paulproteusbaHam: Well, I must have a good title if they're to sign up (-;04:21
Aan23433'get on their feet' -dealing with text installer and trying to repartition your hard drive... while trying to setup your network, printer, etc.04:21
baHampaulproteus, you are teaching in which uni ?04:21
paulproteusadam_: kde-look.org and deviantart.org have backgrounds, at least.04:22
paulproteusJohns Hopkins University.  A general university with a school of engineering and arts & sciences school.04:22
lejeunefilleTheMuso: its called debian i don't use knock offs04:22
baHamadam_, gnome-look.org04:22
baHamadam_, and art.gnome.org04:22
paulproteusI'm just a student, but we can teach mini-courses over Intersession.04:22
ushoozgnome-look.org does too as well as art.gnome.org04:22
baHampaulproteus, yea, in which uni ?04:22
Aan23433paul, do you get a credit for that?04:22
ushoozdoh, baHam :)04:22
paulproteusJohns Hopkins University.  www.jhu.edu ;)04:22
ushoozbeat me to it04:22
baHamushooz, I've been using art.gnome.org like since I was 1204:23
Aan23433Johns Hopkins U is a very prestigious undergrad and medical school..04:23
paulproteusAan23433: No, but you get to feel really happy with your computer at the end ;-)04:23
baHamushooz, ;>04:23
ushoozI have been using it for awhile myself04:23
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baHamanybody from virginia in here?04:23
Aan23433I download like every single releases but have yet to make the switch.. I am not smart enough, me figures.04:23
ushoozI was bummed when it was down for so long with gnome.org was hacked04:23
paulproteusSo is the consensus that Ubuntu is too buggy to use for new Windows converts?04:24
TheMusopaulproteus: No way04:24
Aan23433paul, I agree..04:24
Aan23433try installing on different computers..04:24
paulproteusIt seems virtually everything can be configured from the GUI.04:24
baHamI'd say no..04:24
Aan23433tried on two separate machines...both had serious issues that prevented me from using it on a day to day basis..04:24
paulproteusAnd I'm very proficient at Linux installs, so I can help them get it on if that's the need.04:24
paulproteusWhen people say "yes" or "no", do they mean "yes, use it" or "yes, it's too buggy"?04:24
baHamI converted like 20-30 people in italy to ubuntu.. I helped them, but they got everything working so they are very glad.. and I am too04:24
lejeunefilleha whatever noob04:24
TheMusoandy__: Perhaps if it were using a 2.4 kernel you may have not had problems? How old are those machines?04:24
TheMusopaulproteus: Yes use Ubuntu04:25
paulproteusTheMuso: Okay.  Then I will! :-)04:25
Aan23433well, I still lean towards Knoppix or Gnoppix...more out of box software...and better hardware compatibility..04:25
TheMusoBut knoppix uses KDE.04:25
baHamthe only thing that is weird is that the packages are old..04:25
ushoozgrr. I got to write a letter of move out of my flat. Jacked up the price and it is not worth it for this little place04:26
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paulproteusI want to give the non-techies a compelling, "This does everything I want and looks consistent" feel.04:26
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Aan23433But I think first time linux users would prefer KDE over Gnome.04:26
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baHamxfce 4.0 instead of 4.1 , kde 3.2 instead of 3.3 , xfree insteal of xorg04:26
TheMusoandy__: What makes you think so?04:26
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Aan23433paul, BUT, you need to constantly browse through hundreds of docs... "man this and man that" "vi this and that"..04:26
TheMuso Sorry Aan23433 What makes you think so04:26
baHamAan23433, no, when I started, I started with kde.. I changed after 10 minutes to gnome..04:26
ushooz enjoy KDE04:27
Aan23433I perseonally like gnome...feels more robust.. more minimalist...04:27
TheMusoUbuntu may not have much now, but give it a release or two and it will be up with the top distros in terms of configurability.04:27
baHamI personaly prefer the tty04:27
Aan23433BUT, KDE feels more like Windows interface.04:27
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ushoozAan23433, I agree04:27
defendguinpunkass, you around?04:27
TheMusoAan23433: You may as well use Windows then if you want it to feel like Windows.04:28
ushoozGnome feels more like a Mac to me :)04:28
Aan23433themuso, no..i don't like windows..04:28
TheMusoWell that is a good thing. I tend to agree with that ushooz 04:28
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Aan23433just spend five hours YESTERDAY reinstalling my Windows XP for the nth time.04:28
asdf_46Has anyone had trouble with apt pausing when it is downloading things?04:28
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iminjHi, I'm a NOOB. I just installed 4.1. My sound card (soundblaster 16) isn't recognized. Is there a utility in ubuntu to help it find the card, and configure it?04:28
TheMusoWould that be an ISA card iminj?04:29
Aan23433sound blaster 16...hmm... classic..04:29
iminjyes, ISA04:29
TheMusoiminj: Would you happen to know whether it is an ISA plug and play card by any chance?04:29
baHamnobody from virginia ?04:30
iminjit was plug and play in windows ... so, yes ( i guess)04:30
asdf_46baHam: sorry, NM here. :)04:30
Aan23433iminj, why are you using SB 16 on your computer?04:30
iminjOLD PC04:30
baHamasdf_46, hm ??04:30
Aan23433I mean....most computers nowadays post 1998 came with onboard sound...04:30
paulproteusSB 16 is a perfectly respectable card.04:30
asdf_46baHam: ?04:31
TheMusoI agree.04:31
Aan23433OR, you could just get a supported PCI card for like 10$.04:31
iminjthis is an early 98 PC (dell) with separate sound card, nothing on mobo04:31
baHamasdf_46, I didnt understand what you mean with "sorry, NM here. :)"04:31
asdf_46baHam: New Mexico04:31
baHamasdf_46, cool04:31
paulproteusiminj: Try:04:31
paulproteussudo modprobe sb04:31
ushoozukasz, taht work out for ya. XF86Config change?04:31
Aan23433iminj, in the past, I had good experience with downloading/installing "sndconfig" and using that to detect and configure sound cards..04:32
paulproteusThat should (temporarily) load the driver.04:32
TheMusopaulproteus: That is OSS. Better to use ALSA IMO.04:32
paulproteusTheMuso: Oops, you're right.04:32
Aan23433but sound card must be supported by the kernel a la loadable modules..04:32
ukaszushooz, dunno, I need to reboot X first :P04:32
TheMusoAan23433: And sndconfig is OSS only AFAIK.04:32
baHamI have a soundcard built by a farmer.. So to run it, I use both, ALSA and OSS04:32
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iminjFolks ,,, several good tips there ... thanks, I'll try 'em04:33
paulproteusiminj: Wait!04:33
paulproteusDon't try my tip.04:33
paulproteusI'm concerned it might work :-)04:33
iioshiusTheMuso, acpi suddenly started working.  thanks for you help though. :)04:33
paulproteusTry instead:04:33
Aan23433I am NEVER gonna buy another single piece of non-linux support hardware..04:33
rskrodzkicrap i forgot how to use irc, Mirc had me too spoiled04:33
baHamDeer Park r0x :>04:33
paulproteusiminj: Try: sudo modprobe snd-1604:33
TheMusomodprobe snd-sb1604:33
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asdf_46Why doesn't rhytm box reconize mp3?04:34
baHamI kinda dont feel comfortable with sudo..04:34
baHamasdf_46, sure it is mp3 ?04:34
Aan23433anyone here who has switched to OSX?04:34
TheMusoasdf_46: MP3 support is not in the default install. Get gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.04:34
ushoozAan23433, I have two Macs04:34
asdf_46It isn't in restricted?04:34
Aan23433ushooz, running OSX?04:35
TheMusoasdf_46: No/04:35
baHamasdf_46, apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad04:35
baHamasdf_46, after editing sources.list04:35
ushoozI can walk to that machine in a second or open the lid on my other laptop04:35
asdf_46hmm, ok.04:35
TheMusoThat is if he hasn't enabled universe all ready.04:35
ushoozAan23433, what do ya need? :)04:35
Aan23433ushooz, just some comparison between linux vs. osx..04:35
asdf_46I didn't enable it, the updates for it are too slow in dialup. :(04:36
baHamasdf_46, just do that.. or get xmms04:36
Aan23433I want the stability of *nix + fancy eye candies... tightly integrated and optimized.04:36
baHamasdf_46, I, personally prefer xmms04:36
djempakthat's KDE ;)04:36
ushoozAan23433, I use linux for fun and servers. OSX when I want to code Java or write or be creative and need a machine to just work without much thinking04:36
Rene_SI use Muir, a mono-xine music player works ok04:36
baHamasdf_46, you know, I'm an old type nerd.. pine, xmms, xine .. 04:36
asdf_46baHam: I use rhytmbox for the searching features.04:37
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Aan23433ushooz, ic... seriously, my next computer might be a powerbook.04:37
TheMusoAnd rhythmbox uses Gstreamer.04:37
ushoozAan23433, If you can afford it I reco it04:37
baHamasdf_46, just get that package04:37
Aan23433So you can techinically run all the open source stuff on OSX? 04:37
iioshiusQuestion:  do I remember correctly that Ubuntu can't read NTFS partitions out of the box?  What do I need to install to make this happen?04:37
djempakyeah, you can use xine in RhythmBox also IIRC04:37
baHamasdf_46, just download the .deb from the web and dpkg it..04:37
ukaszushooz, that didn't help. xrandr still shows I have "1024x768"04:37
ushoozAan23433, more or less. 04:38
asdf_46baHam: That's what I'm doing now.04:38
baHamI am waiting for an acceptable tool for linux to get stuff on my ipod04:38
ushoozukasz, bummer... you might look through the nvidia readme. There are alot of switches04:38
Rene_Sor else you can go to ultra funky and dl all the kdelibs and use kaffeine, i use that for movies instead of Totem04:38
Aan23433asdf_46, I recommend just sticking with apt-get... you might spend more time trying to get all the needed packages (due to dependency stuff).04:38
fscioslipstream: ubuntu can read NTFS out of the box04:38
Rene_Sworks for music too04:38
TheMusoiioshius: NTFS is supported, but only read-only.04:38
ushoozukasz, so you want 1152x864 and not 1024x76804:38
asdf_46I don't see it, shouldn't it br in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gstreamer/ ?04:39
iioshiusTheMuso: okay, I thought that might be the case.  Must be losing my mind these days.04:39
ukaszIt always workes on slack04:39
baHamasdf_46, it wont break04:39
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ushoozukasz, ah. I reco the readme04:40
Aan23433ushooz, does having only one mouse button really hurt mac usage?04:40
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ushoozAan23433, I got use to it on my Powerbook but I have a Wireless scroll mouse on my Desktop Mac04:40
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Aan23433hmm... one mouse button.. damn, I need like five buttons including scroll..04:41
ushoozAan23433, I am waiting for a quality bluetooth mouse for the laptop04:41
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=== TheMuso will be back soon.
icuWhat gui configuration utilities are there included with ubuntu for nfs.04:42
Dashivaanyone know what a joystick maps to when you plug it into ubuntu04:42
TheMusoicu: You can directly mount NFS volumes from GNOME I think.04:43
ushoozAan23433, I have had good luck with my bluetooth mac keyboard and microsoft wirless mouse04:43
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DespairDashiva: /dev/input/event* and /dev/input/js*04:43
Aan23433despair, btw, where does usb palm pilot would link to in terms of /dev?04:43
DespairAan23433: no idea04:44
Aan23433anyone? :)04:44
icuTheMuso: I want to setup what exports there are. Cause i've done it manually as i've done on other linux boxes and restarted the kernel server but when I go to connect from other computers as i've done before it says connection refused.04:44
Aan23433anyone here who uses Palm pilot with linux desktop?04:44
iioshiusdoes anyone know if it's possible to give Evolution Bayesian spam filtering (like in Thunderbird)?  I like Ev, but I get too much spam to try and filter it manually...04:44
jdubicu: no gui tools for setting up nfs exports. just edit /etc/exports04:45
Dashivak epsxe is tight04:45
Dashivaplaying castlevania at 60 fps04:45
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defendguinoh ubuntu had an official release today?04:45
icujdub: this valid? "/,no_root_squash,sync)"04:45
ushoozAan23433, here is my lappys if  you want to see :)04:45
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Aan23433ushooz, sure..04:46
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phinfull release is out?04:47
Aan23433hmm...large file..04:47
Rene_SPretty hairy leg someone has there04:47
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Krypt0nlappies are cool04:48
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icujdub: i keep getting mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused04:48
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ushoozhere is more of my junk if you want to see04:49
ushoozlittle bit of a mess04:50
iioshiusWhat's the difference between Universe and Multiverse?04:50
Aan23433ushooz, holly golly, no one's gonna print a 12X10' copy of that pic... maybe 500K file would do?04:50
ushoozsorry did not reduce the size04:51
ushoozspoiled by broadband04:51
iioshiusushooz: nice G5, sure wish I had one of those ;)04:51
baHamdoes anybody know when ibook g5's comin ou ?04:52
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ushooziioshius, yeah, I am a recent Macster04:52
ushooziioshius, I hated pre OSX04:52
ushooziioshius, plus hated the bubble mac look pre G504:53
Aan23433yeah, I had to manage a few pre OSX macs..and hated it..04:53
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baHamushooz, iBook kicks asses :D04:53
Aan23433constantly got virtual memory error..04:53
ushoozbaHam, iBooks are nice but I got the PB04:53
adaptis ubuntu support m4a default with rhythmbox04:53
baHamushooz, 12" ?04:54
ushoozbaHam, I wanted the extras a PB offered me. My Toshiba laptop is stuck at 1024x768 and 512 Meg RAM and both annoy me04:54
baHamushooz, 12" or 14" ?04:54
ushoozbaHam, my PB? I have a 15" PB04:54
Aan23433I am using a IBM T41... only 1024x768 with 512MB ram.. HATE IT.04:54
baHamushooz, cool.. right now I dont have much money.. maybe the next pb when it comes out i'll buy it04:55
Aan234331. hate the nipple... 2. too heavy..04:55
baHamwhen does the next pb come out ?04:55
ushoozbaHam, after x-mas unless Apple shocks us04:55
ushoozI plan on holding onto the PB as long as possible. Hope the G5 PBs are out next time I decide to upgrade my Apple Lappy04:55
baHamdo you like my desktop ? :>04:55
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Aan23433ushooz, running Suse?04:56
Aan23433btw, suse and lindows were only distros that set up my wifi USB card properly...04:56
ushoozAan23433, I run SuSE, RHEL, Slackware and Ubuntu on various machines04:56
ushoozI keep up with SuSE and RHEL for commercial reasons.04:56
baHamhttp://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png <-- do you like it, guys ?04:57
ushoozSlackware and Ubuntu for fun04:57
xskoulaxmmmm warez mp3z pr0n me likes baHam ;)04:57
baHamushooz, try gentoo too..04:57
baHamhaha xskoulax :>04:57
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baHamI came back from school today..04:57
Krypt0ncool wallpaper04:57
paulproteusAan23433: /dev/ttyUSB1 or so04:57
paulproteusbut dmesg will tell you for sure04:57
baHammy dad was browsing04:57
paulproteus(re: USB Palm)04:57
baHamwith my PC04:57
baHamand the pr0n folder was right there..04:58
baHamI was like04:58
baHamNoOOoOoOoooOoO (movie style)04:58
baHamhe didnt find out anything.. I hope..04:58
icuWhat do I have to do to get ubuntu to allow other computers to connect to the nfs exports?04:58
Krypt0nbaHam: any chance of a link to the original wallpaper?04:58
xskoulaxbaHam: i'm sure its not a new concept to your dad, maybe a new spelling though ;)04:58
Aan23433paulproteus, thanks..will try it later..04:58
Dekkardim seeing here that the final of 4.10 is using udev instead of dev...?04:58
baHamKrypt0n, it's made by bizarreSK on deviantart.com04:59
Krypt0ncheers, i'll search it up :)04:59
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baHamyea, I'm lame04:59
Aan23433baHam... hm... creative folder name like "system" -> fullforce?04:59
paulproteusicu: man exports, I'm afriad.05:00
baHamI did it yesterday.. I was like dying of tireness05:00
icupaulproteus: I've setup the exports and restarted the kernel server but still no luck.05:00
paulproteusWhat error, permission denied?05:00
icumount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused05:01
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baHamI am so nerd that I connected via putty ssh to my pc from school.. and ran bitchx and connected to irc.. can U imagine ?05:01
baHamubuntugeek, master of ubuntuforums.org?05:02
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icupaulproteus: I have no idea, only had this problem since moving to ubuntu from pure debian05:02
baHamdeFrysk, hi ;>05:02
deFryskmorning 05:02
baHamdeFrysk, it's evening.. for me :|05:02
paulproteusicu: Portmap is running?  I've never done NFS from Ubuntu.05:02
deFrysk5 am here05:02
baHamdeFrysk, ;_; I want to go back to europe05:02
icuhmm lemme see05:02
baHamdeFrysk, Back to italy.. to germany.. to holland..05:03
LeeColletonwhenever my computer is "thinking" if I move the mouse it jerks wildly about the screen, clicking things at random.  when idle the mouse moves smoothly.  can I fix this?05:03
Aan23433baham, also unless you are a guy who's a gay and your father likes to have a grandkid, you should be okay in revealing your porn collection..05:03
baHamdeFrysk, cannabis pwns :>05:03
icuwhen I grep ps it's there05:03
deFryskbaHam, not for me05:03
baHamAan23433, I am not gay ;)05:03
xskoulaxlol @ Aan23433 05:04
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baHamAan23433, it's embarassing..05:04
icupaulproteus: any ideas cause i'm lost here. I don't know what nfs has anything to do with rpc.05:04
baHamAan23433, and its not moral..05:04
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jdubdudes, off-topic stuff elsewhere please05:05
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Krypt0nbaHam: wow, that bizarreSK guy has some really nice art! thanks for hooking me up! :)05:05
xskoulaxok i know from yesterday that i need to add my wep key in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i add it, wep thenthekey?05:05
baHamjdub, sorry :) 05:06
baHamKrypt0n, yea, I love his artwork05:06
Krypt0nvery nice indeed05:06
jdubxskoulax: wireless_key s:string05:06
ubuntugeekbaHam: yes :)05:06
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baHamjdub, can I pm you, please?05:06
jdubxskoulax: or wireless_key <hex>05:06
xskoulaxwohoo jdub05:06
atariboywho deals with the installer for Ubuntu?05:06
paulproteusRemote Procedure Call.  It's the service in the kernel that's used to implement NFS.05:06
jdubatariboy: Kamion, but reports to ubuntu-users would be appreciated05:06
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atariboyjdub: i'm new. what is that?05:07
atariboymailing list?05:07
Skifjdub: where's that documented?  I don't see it in interfaces(5)...05:07
icupaulproteus: Hmm, same error when I try to connect to a comp not serving nfs, seems like it just can't connect.05:07
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atariboyisn't there something more optimal than a mailing list?05:07
jdubSkif: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian05:07
jdubatariboy: for what?05:08
atariboyfiling bugs etc05:08
jdubSkif: wireless-tools adds a little helper to do it05:08
baHamjdub, where can I find Dafydd from the Translations team ?05:08
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baHamSkif, /etc/network/interfaces05:08
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baHamSkif, man interfaces05:08
Davey-lol wow people are on the same topic as I was about to ask05:09
jdubatariboy: if it's a concise bug report, instead of an install report, bugzilla.ubuntu.com05:09
SkifbaHam: I know, I've been a DD for, oh, 4 years now? :)05:09
icupaulproteus: what ports does nfsd use?05:09
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paulproteusicu: I think the answer is in /etc/exports.05:09
Davey-the installer SAYS it autoconfigured yet I cant ping anything05:09
jdubbaHam: daf == dafydd, who does indeed come from wales05:09
atariboyah. thanks Jdub05:09
paulproteusI'd be more helpful, but I have to do some reading for tomorrow's class.05:09
SkifbaHam: I didn't see the wireless_key in there, that's all05:09
jdubSkif: (the imporant bits are here: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools)05:09
baHamjdub, I need to talk to him.. is he usually on IRC?05:10
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jdubbaHam: daf is on channel.05:10
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baHamjdub, sorry.. didnt see him.. I'm tired :|05:11
Skifjdub: ah, so an entry in interfaces defines IF_$entry, then... good to know05:11
jdubSkif: pretty rad05:12
Hmmmmm_anyone unhappy with warty yet?05:12
whiprushanyone try thom's NetworkManager packages yet?05:12
jdubSkif: bridge-utils does similar trickery05:12
Rene_SCant say that I am displeased with it05:12
jdubSkif: *really* handy05:12
Rene_SDoes what  I need it to do, wich isnt much anyhow 05:13
Skifjdub: nifty-- you can use that to define all kinds of custom behaviours for an interface05:13
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icupaulproteus: this is one line: /     ,no_root_squash,sync)05:13
icuand i'm accessing from
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icupaulproteus: any idea?05:17
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jdubicu: perhaps some hosts.allow action for portmap would help05:17
jdubicu: you've got nfs-common?05:17
jdubon both machines?05:17
icuwhat do I put in hosts.allow for everything?05:18
icuto allow all05:18
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jdubicu: read the comment right there :)05:18
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icujdub: i added ALL:ALL and there was no dif05:20
mdzicu: you need to edit /etc/default/portmap05:20
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mdzby default it listens only on localhost05:21
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paulproteusmdz from flac-dev?05:21
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paulproteusicu: Please add your experiences to the Wiki once this works.05:21
GOwinhi all. anyone using xfce as default desktop gui?05:21
mdzpaulproteus: the same05:21
paulproteusmdz: Ah.  Then, hi. :)05:22
xyz359Hrm, quick question. I want to install totem-xine. Ubuntu though, says that I need to remove ubuntu-desktop. Is this safe?05:22
icuwhich section and where?05:22
mdzpaulproteus: now you know why I haven't gotten anything done on flac lately :-)05:22
Skifxyz359: yes05:22
Mitariolo everyone05:22
mdzicu: just comment out the ARGS05:22
mdzI'll add something to the FAQ now05:22
xyz359Skif, thanks for the confirmation.05:22
xyz359gstreamer just isn't very stable at the moment.05:23
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paulproteusmdz: I'm thinking of teaching an Switching-to-Linux-from-Windows mini-course over three weeks, and having all the students use Ubuntu.05:23
icuthank you mdz: that worked, such a simple thing but so difficult to find the solution05:23
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icustill need me to add something to the wiki?05:24
Hmmmmm_paulproteus, that's a good idea05:24
Hmmmmm_u can give the ma complimentary copy of the lived CD05:24
Hmmmmm_so they can practice without installing05:24
TheMusoHmmmmm_: Even better, an install CD as well.05:24
mdzpaulproteus: nice!05:25
paulproteusBTW, is gaim 1.0.2 in Ubuntu release?  Because earlier versions have a security bug.05:26
mdzicu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/nfs-server05:26
mdzicu: how does that look?05:26
paulproteus(And, BTW, Ubuntu is a wonderful thing for the world.)05:26
Hmmmmm_TheMuso, that kinda goes without saying05:26
TheMusoTrue that. :)05:26
Hmmmmm_paulproteus, good thing they'r getting started with gnome 2.805:26
icuperfect mdz, absolutely05:26
Rene_Swoot 2 hours in and nothing has crashed .... so long windows ......05:27
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TheMusoDamn piece of D-Link hardware.05:28
paulproteusmdz: If you or Ubuntu would like to provide some ideas for the course, I'd be very very happy to discuss it.05:28
paulproteusI've been using GNU/Linux for half a decade now, so I forget what Windows users want. ;)05:28
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LeeColletonI'm getting this message "psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away.05:29
icuis there a gnome equivalent to kmenc15?05:29
LeeColletonthe mouse get's jerky when this happens.05:29
phinmouse jerky?05:29
phinmmm sounds good05:29
LeeColletonI've tried changing the XF86Config-4 line with ImPS2 to PS2 but it doesn't help05:29
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jdubicu: what is 'kmenc15'? a learning tool for vitamin salespeople? :)05:30
icua kde front end to mencoder05:30
icufor anything other than ripping dvds it's useless05:31
icuand even at that it's quite tempermental05:31
TheMusoSpeaking of DVDs, what are the prices of double layer DVDs like overseas? I.E not in Australia?05:31
TheMusoBlanks that is.05:32
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gelflinghello people ^_^05:33
mdzLeeColleton: IRQ conflict?05:34
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cothrunI'm going to dual boot ubuntu with XP, I already have partitions sliced out, anything special I'm going to have to do to accomodate Windows?05:34
gelflingcothrun, I've done the same on my laptop05:35
cothrunI should clarify, Windows is already on there...05:36
gelflingI have a /boot / and swap with /boot as the first and flagged bootable. All went very well for me and the ubuntu install found windows and added it to grub for me05:37
paulproteusmdz: Also, someone reported earlier in the channel is ISA SB16 doesn't get detected, for what it's worth.05:37
mdzpaulproteus: yeah, we don't really try for ISA05:37
mdzonly isapnp05:37
TheMusomdz: According to the user, it was plug and play, but that was going by what Windows stated. :)05:38
icuoh ya to get an isa sb16 working you need to put isapnp=0 in the parameter line05:38
TheMusoSomething tells me that it wasn't.05:38
icuit was a bitch finding that out05:38
TheMusoMaybe for a future release, is an ISA bus is detected, that parameter should be added.05:38
gelflingcothrun: i know there was a bug with grub writing to the mbr regardless of what you asked for on like sounder 7 or earlier but i think thats been fixed05:39
TheMusoAnd I am pretty sure that the ISA bus actually appears in the list of PCI items when lspci is run.05:39
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LathiatTheMuso: the Bus sometimes does, the cards wont of course05:39
paulproteusicu: Psst, get mdz to put that in a FAQ somewhere ;-)05:40
mdzput it on the wiki and let it stew for a bit05:40
cothrunthanks gelfling! I'm diving into the installation right now05:41
cothrunis this the new debian installer? familiar, yet very slick so far05:41
Hmmmmm_cothrun, i dont think that's debian's installer's new avatar05:42
gelflinghmmm, dont know about that cothrun. Its ALOT easier than the debian install though05:43
icumdz: how can I edit the wiki says i'm not allowed05:44
gelflinganyone played with madwifi?05:44
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paulproteusicu: Just create a user account.05:44
paulproteusInfo on the front page.05:44
cothrunyeah, only the partitioning stuff, its autodetecting everything else05:44
Lathiatanyone know a program for X11 that will slideshow a bunch of jpgs?05:45
cothrunof course, I had to go through the partition part twice, as I didn't set a root partition, but it caught that and pointed me in the right direction05:45
paulproteusIt's the new debian installer mostly stock, with some stuff made easier (like sudo vs. su).05:45
jdubLathiat: gthumb, feh05:46
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cothrunah, it detected XP and asked me... heres the reboot05:47
cothrun(as if you guys wanted a play by play...)05:47
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paulproteuscothrun: I'm not watching the game, so I need some excitement.05:48
tomas99hi, where do i permanently change the locale vars?05:48
cothrunhey, looks like XP survived05:48
Zindartomas99: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales05:48
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gelflingYAY! now you too can run ubuntu or play dawn of war!05:49
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cothrunhey! 2.6 kernel05:49
ukaszI am setting a font in gvim by menu, (font is Courier 10 pitch), anybody knows the name of that font so I can write this to .gvimrc ?05:49
gelfling nifty huh05:49
Hmmmmm_can we apt-get dashboard into warty?05:50
tomas99Zindar, it doesn't change them when i type locale in terminal, i still see "C" for each of them05:51
Zindartomas99: logout and in again05:51
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tomas99i'll try, but i think i did it earlier and it didnt work05:52
Zindarit doesn05:52
Zindartrust me05:52
tomas99can i add lines myself to  /etc/locale.gen  ?05:53
mdzpaulproteus: the installer is actually significantly modified in terms of which questions are asked and when05:54
mdztomas99: yes, but it's easier to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales05:54
tomas99all it did was to add my character set to  /etc/locale.gen05:54
tomas99i.e. i only have one line in  /etc/locale.gen now05:54
mdztomas99: locale.gen sets which locales are generated05:54
mdzit doesn't change your default locale05:54
mdzthat's set in /etc/environment05:55
tomas99how do i add LC_CTYPE etc to  /etc/locale.gen  ?05:55
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int2004hello world!05:55
tomas99so can i edit /etc/enviornment for LC_CTYPE etc?05:55
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paulproteusint2004: Hello wrl0d!05:56
RoBBeR_W_Mlot of ppl in :)05:56
tomas99i'm gonna try and logout... brb05:56
RoBBeR_W_Mwell gtg... work05:56
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int2004im trying linux seriously for the first time in 4 years, and im choosing ubuntu as the test distro, im wondering if anyone can tour on using the live version for hardware diagnostics05:57
Lathiatjdub: huzzah, sweet, thanks :) didn't know it existed :)05:58
int2004take into consideration that my last experience with linux was 4 years ago with corel linux (i think it was debian but not sure, was very very graphical...)05:59
Lathiathaha i started with corel linux in 200105:59
Lathiatnot for very long05:59
meffwhen hoary opens up, will it be getting security updates at near the same time as warty?05:59
Lathiati found my way through redhat to debain in like 2 months :P05:59
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gelflingwowa, it already knows about my wifi card! ROCK!06:01
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paulproteusgelfling: What card?06:01
bronsonI love that the installer automatically picks up the wifi card and installs over it.06:01
bronsonThat used to be such a chore.06:01
tomas99thanks, it worked06:02
gelflingnetgear WG511T06:02
int2004I was trying to lear linux seen what the future will be like, and it came free with -cant remember" mag on that time, later i downloaded the 1.2, but ended testing a Solaris 8 for x86 and linux was simple left behind...06:02
meffsolaris for x86 is a joke06:03
int2004now i feel that its time i catch up on linux, and after seen live distros, Im seriously considering using them for hardware diagnostics on windows Pcs :p06:03
Lathiatmeff: heh06:03
Lathiatit really does suck06:03
Lathiatgelfling: hmm your netgear card works? last one i tried didnt work06:03
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int2004totally right.. it sucked BIG time, terrible GUI, iincredible slow, they only good part the one i used had was the FREE Oracle 8 licence we get on that moment :)06:04
cothrunhey thanks gelfling and all, this was a very nice install, I'm up and running in X06:04
gelflingLathiat: well it comes up in iwconfig, BUT i dont have any wifi networks to connect to at work06:04
Lathiatgelfling: yeh the one i tried woudltn detect it at all06:05
gelflingWOHOO! glad to hear it cothrun :)06:05
int2004but business throw me into windows realm for 3 years... and after several worm-virus-XP problems im trying to find my way out to linux :D06:05
int2004back to the point, is there any app on linux (ubunto 4.10...) that i can use to fully diagnose a PC?06:06
gelflingLathiat: I got lucky I guess, I didn't check to see if it was supported in linux, is an atheros card (i think, I could be getting 2 different things confused here)06:07
meffint2004: look into www.sysresccd.org06:07
int2004ty!, will check it!06:07
meffint2004: it has many diagnostic tools and recovery thingies06:08
gelflingLathiat: what was the card you tried? was it a netgear aswell?06:08
Lathiatgelfling: yeh neatgear something06:09
Lathiatmy normal orinoco is fine06:09
Lathiatjust i didnt have it with me one time and tried someone elses06:09
cothrunhmm, didn't detect wireless, but from what I've read about this laptop it doesn't surprise me06:09
gelflingonly thing I dont like abou the card is no port for pigtail06:09
meffint2004: as far as diagnostics it dont get much better than sysresccd.. ubuntu live is (iirc) just a live desktop, its not focused on diagnostics..06:09
Lathiatcothrun: You probably have one of the unusual chipsets06:09
Lathiatgelfling: heh yeh06:09
bronsonWhat's the default root password during an install?06:10
Lathiatcothrun: miht be able to get it oging with one of the external drivers06:10
bronsonMy computer crashed and now I need to run "apt-get install -a"06:10
int2004thats what I wanted to clarify06:10
bronsonBut I don't know how to log in as root!06:10
LathiatThere is no root password06:10
int2004and i think sysresccd will worht a try :)06:10
cothrunyeah, its some dell chipset, I read about someone getting it to work with debian at some point06:10
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cothrunbut wireless isn't a big deal now, will deal with that later06:10
meffint2004: however if you install ubuntu there are many diagnostic tools in universe06:10
gelflingbronson: you dont have one06:11
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meffint2004: but as far as a cd to carry around, go with sysresccd06:11
bronsonLathiat: there's something.  It won't accept an empty password.06:11
int2004ty very much06:11
Lathiatbronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root06:11
gelflingbronson: use sudo and the password from the user you made in the install06:11
Lathiatint2004: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root06:11
bronsongelfling: it hasn't made the user yet.06:11
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bronsonIt crashed when setting the timezone.06:11
Lathiatbronson: Oh in that case youll need to boot of the cd06:12
bronsonFlaky battery on the laptop.06:12
mdzKeyserSoze: which jre are you using?06:12
Lathiatbronson: Youc ould just do the install over again, probably easiest...06:12
gelflingyeah what Lathiat said06:12
bronsonGood lord I hope not.06:12
bronsonIt's taken me 3 hours to get this far.06:12
bronsonIt's an old laptop with an awful CDROM drive.06:12
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Lathiatbronson: oh well in that case06:12
Lathiatbronson: boot of the cd06:13
Lathiatbronson: goto the debug console (alt+f2)06:13
KeyserSozemdz: the oracle one06:13
Lathiatmount your filesystem06:13
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Lathiatchroot to it and passwd root06:13
bronsonLathiat: got it.06:13
mdzKeyserSoze: there are several 1.4.2 JVMs, and i don't have a copy of oracle06:13
mdzKeyserSoze: java -version06:13
Lathiatbronson: know how to do all that?06:13
fabbioneKeyserSoze: can you send mdz a copy or something?06:13
Lathiati assumed your a bit of a technical person there06:13
Lathiatprobably a bad assumption around here :)06:14
bronsonYeah, it all makes sense.06:14
int2004well, gotta run, thank you very much for the information!06:14
mdzfabbione: I'm fairly certain that would be illegal06:14
Lathiatbronson: yay :)06:14
KeyserSozejava version "1.4.2"06:14
KeyserSozeJava(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-b28)06:14
Lathiatbronson: youll probably have to run the first step of the installer to pickup your ide devices06:14
KeyserSozeJava HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-b28, mixed mode)06:14
bronsonThe only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why I can't log in as root during the install!06:14
Lathiatbronson: but none of the actual installing06:14
fabbionemdz: i am not 100% sure...06:14
KeyserSozethats what comes with the oracle installer06:14
fabbionemdz: there were some oracle versions that you could download for free (at least sometime ago)06:14
KeyserSozethere is a free one you can download and test06:15
mdzlooks like the Sun JVM06:15
fabbioneKeyserSoze: url?06:15
KeyserSozeyeah it is06:15
bronsonIs there any reason Ubuntu prevents me from logging in as root during the install?06:16
mdzKeyserSoze: do you get the error if you run simple java programs, or only from oracle?06:16
bronsonThat seems very arbitrary to me.06:16
KeyserSozehaven't tried anything else06:16
KeyserSozedon't have anything else with me06:17
mdzKeyserSoze: try hello world, and work up from there06:17
bob2bronson: ubuntu doesn't have a password on the root account by default06:17
bob2bronson: this is all in the FAQ; use sudo in your normal account instead.06:17
bronsonbob2: I understand that.06:17
KeyserSozebut if you look up that error on usenet or google you'll see a bunch of people get it with alot of stuff... not just oracle install06:17
bob2bronson: if you insist on setting a password, "sudo passwd".06:17
mdzKeyserSoze: I didn't think Oracle had a Linux/amd64 product; is this the Linux/i386 version?06:17
bronsonbob2: I just don't understand why.06:17
KeyserSozethey do have a amd6406:17
bronson(during the install)06:17
mdzbronson: there's nothing specific to the install06:18
mdzbronson: you can't login as root because no root password is set06:18
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bronsonmdz: but is that intentional?06:19
bob2bronson: yes.06:19
bob2bronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root06:19
bronsonbob2: that page explains how to work around it, but not the reasoning behind it.06:19
fabbioneKeyserSoze: that's like 3 CD06:19
bronsonI'm asking "why", not "what" or "how"...06:19
mdzbronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo06:19
cothrundoes 'universe' roughly correspond to debian's unstable?06:20
mdzcothrun: yes06:20
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Eno_what is the difference between universe and multiverse?06:20
Eno_more packages?06:20
bob2Eno_: multiverse is non-free06:20
bronsonmdz: thanks!  That explains why.  :)06:20
LeeColletonbronson: you can open a console as root during an install by hitting ALT + F206:21
bronsonMakes sense to me.06:21
bronsonLeeColleton: Not after the computer reboots and the install continues.06:21
mdzKeyserSoze, fabbione: you set LC_ALL=C and it still happens?06:21
fabbionemdz: yes06:21
fabbionewe also tried with env -i 06:22
mdzthat line that KeyserSoze pasted looked like multiple lines joined together06:22
mdzis that the exact output?06:22
KeyserSozemdz: tried all env vars already06:22
KeyserSozemdz: its apparently a glib problem06:22
mdzKeyserSoze: you mean glibc?06:22
mdzKeyserSoze: if it were a glibc problem, it would likely affect all other gettext-using programs as well06:26
mdzKeyserSoze: I assume you don't get any warnings when you run "perl -e ''" ?06:27
fabbioneKeyserSoze: that looks like java <-> locale problem06:27
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witigonenHey all.  For those of you that were around when I was asking about my hard drive... I rebooted and it works fine now, luckily.06:29
witigonenAnyway, I've got some more questions if anybody could please help me with them.06:29
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TheMusowitigonen: Fire away.06:30
bronsonAfter giving it some thought, I agree with Ubuntu's sudo model.06:31
bronsonI think it's the right way to go.06:31
fabbioneKeyserSoze: >> It's a issue with the locales not being installed or set up correctly.06:31
witigonenThanks, TheMuso.  I guess my first question right now is how I can edit keyboard shortcuts- I have a Logitech keyboard and would like to be able to use the multimedia keys.  Is there a way I can do this aside from using the xmms-itouch plugin, or is that the best way for me to do it?06:31
fabbioneKeyserSoze: i would try to reconfigure the locales06:31
bronsonI just wish that root had a password up until the very last step of the install so I didn't have to reboot off CD back there.06:31
fabbioneKeyserSoze: tell the debconf question to NOT generate any locale06:31
mdzKeyserSoze: did you try that perl command?06:31
TheMusowitigonen: I think GNOME has a tool to do it. Not sure where it is though.06:31
fabbioneKeyserSoze: and reboot (yeah yeah) to be sure that none of them is loaded for a mistake or something06:32
witigonenTheMuso, yes, that's what I remember from FC2 but I can't seem to find it.  I'll keep looking, though.06:32
KeyserSozedpkg-reconfigure locales06:32
KeyserSozeperl: warning: Setting locale failed.06:32
KeyserSozeperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:06:32
KeyserSoze        LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",06:32
KeyserSoze        LC_ALL = (unset),06:32
KeyserSoze        LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"06:32
KeyserSoze    are supported and installed on your system.06:32
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jdubwitigonen: computer > desktop preferences > keyboard shortcuts06:33
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ionsanyone know the name of the cursor theme in ubuntu?06:33
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jdubions: 'default'06:33
KeyserSozemdz: yeah no problem06:33
mdzKeyserSoze: where did LANG=en_US.UTF-8 come from?06:34
ionswell I want it for my Gentoo install06:34
fabbioneKeyserSoze: that's a strange error i saw only once...06:34
KeyserSozebeats me06:34
jdubions: (also, industrial)06:34
LapTop006jdub: your bluetooth packages seem to depend on libraries not in warty06:34
Rene_SIm gonna name my first born that -- Default06:34
KeyserSozeI didn't select that06:34
jdubLapTop006: they depend on packages in universe06:34
fabbioneKeyserSoze: can you try to: apt-get --reinstall install locales ?06:34
ionscool , thanks jdub!06:34
mdzKeyserSoze: you got no output from perl -e '', but dpkg-reconfigure locales output perl errors?06:34
witigonenjdub, thanks so much.  Let's see if I can get this working- I never could under FC2.06:34
fabbioneKeyserSoze: and than: dpkg-reconfigure locales06:34
KeyserSozemdz: exactly06:35
LapTop006and I'm on 64k till this evening to the 100MB warty upgrade is bad enough...06:35
KeyserSozefabbione: ok that worked06:35
fabbioneKeyserSoze: try to install oracle now06:36
fabbionei wonder if you are unlucky or there is a bug somewhere06:36
Dashivai get that installing debian too06:36
Dashivahaven't been able to fix it06:36
Dashivahasn't caused any problems though06:36
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KeyserSozesame error from oracle06:37
fabbioneKeyserSoze: i am not too familiar with locales.. 06:37
fabbionebut i would definitly logout and login again06:37
fabbioneat least to reset the "counters"06:38
witigonenI have surround sound speakers but only the front are having any noise, how can I change this?06:38
KeyserSozefabbione: yeah I tried from a whole new session06:38
witigonenI do have a webcam that has a built-in mic plugged in to a USB port... that might be a problem.06:39
fabbioneKeyserSoze: env -i <installer>=06:39
TheMusowitigonen: What is your sound card?06:39
witigonenTheMuso, nForce2 integrated Dolby Digital 5.1 (Asus A7n8x-deluxe motherboard).06:40
TheMusoDo you have the ALSA or OSS driver loaded for it?06:40
witigonenTheMuso, Volume Control is telling me Alsa.06:40
KeyserSozemdz: that LANG=en_US.UTF-8 comes from /etc/environment06:40
witigonenTheMuso, the USB audio driver (which I am assuming is the webcam) is using OSS, however.06:40
KeyserSozecat /etc/environment06:40
TheMusoOk/ What do you have in /proc/asound?06:41
witigonenTheMuso, there was a item called Duplicate Front in Volume Control that I unmuted (just found it) and the rear speakers are now duplicating the front's sound.06:41
TheMusoOk. Does surround sound actually work properly though?06:42
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fabbioneKeyserSoze: evn -i LC_ALL=C <installer>06:42
witigonenTheMuso, I have no idea.  I kind of doubt it.  I'm not quite sure how I could test that.  If you could help to get it working properly, that would be absolutely amazing.06:42
Amroclamont, ubuntu hates me!06:42
fabbionethat should kill all possible external environment vras about locale06:42
TheMusowitigonen: Ok. Do you know anything you can run or play that may give you surround sound?06:43
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witigonen(I'm hearing this high-pitched hissing sound through my speakers when they're not in use, and sometimes when I'm watching movies, this was present even in the Linux installer but not in Windows- any ideas on that?  Lesser priority)06:43
Amroclamont, why does it hate me so?06:43
witigonenTheMuso, I have some DVDs, I think, though I'm not quite sure where I would go in them to fully test it.06:43
KeyserSozetried that already06:44
lamontAmroc: dunno.  what are you trying to do again?>06:44
deweyok now my ubuntu install will not let me login to it after I tried to get k3b installed so I can burn isos?06:44
witigonenInteresting, the volume key changes the fade.06:44
Amroci think that purple cd you gave me is broke lamont 06:44
KeyserSozetrying again06:44
lamontAmroc: could be.06:44
lamontAmroc: I have LiveCD image and an install image that I can give yo06:44
fabbioneKeyserSoze: not with LC_ALL=C06:45
TheMusowitigonen: Regarding the hissing, I think there has been a bit of trouble getting deacent drivers written for that chipset, but I am not sure whether this would have anything to do with the driver or not. How high is your volume turned up?06:45
fabbioneKeyserSoze: we tested only env -i06:45
Amroclamont, i tried to install it like 4 times, each time the phiehp.ko and shpch.ko both fzcked up and said fatal errors06:45
witigonenTheMuso, speaker volume has always been very low.  But, like I said, it's not important, I usually have things playing.06:45
lamontAmroc: yeah - prolly bad burn06:45
bronsonHow did Ubuntu know to put "acpi=off" in by boot params?06:45
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bronsonThat's impressive.06:45
lamontAmroc: will get you a good liveCD in any case.06:46
lamontshould even work with your *(^) NIC06:46
witigonenTheMuso, are you still interested in knowing the contents of /proc/asound?06:46
bronsonAmroc: are you talking about those 2 messages on boot saying "invalid module" or somesuch?06:46
TheMusoYes I am actually.06:46
bronsonIf so, those appear to be harmless.06:47
Amrocim not sure what it was, all i know is that both those said fatal error on start up... and it didnt want to work bronson06:47
witigonenTheMuso, I have: card0, cards, devices, modules, nForce2, oss, pcm, seq, timers and version.06:47
Amroclamont, you mean it will sense my net card this time?06:47
bronsonAmroc: so it died immediately after printing those?06:47
bronsonIf so, then yeah, that's bad.06:47
TheMusoOk I know what is going on here, and it is REALLY messy. I am even thinkin go lodging a bug about it.06:47
bronsonMy machine prints those 2 messages and then finishes booting fine.06:48
witigonenReally... Well, I'm ready to get gritty.06:48
bronsonThat's right after it says "Configuring Hotplug" right?06:48
TheMusoWhen hotplug sees your USB device, for some weird reason, it loads the OSS audio driver, before the snd-usb-audio driver gets loaded.06:48
witigonenI see.06:48
Amrocbronson, it got into the desktop, there was a 1inch by 1 inch grey fuzzy box like on a broken tv, and after like 2 minutes it would SLOW down to like .02 fps (updating every like 10 seconds)06:48
TheMusoWhat I would suggest you do, is add audio to your /etc/hotplug/blacklist file, and whenever you boot up, your USB sound/mic or whatever it is will be controlled by ALSA.06:49
witigonenTheMuso, that sounds very nice.06:49
lamontAmroc: actually, would be interested in seeing if my new liveCD image boots and detects your network card..06:49
bronsonAmroc: no visible desktop right?  Just a gray rectangle?06:49
lamontotoh, would need to do that tomorrow.06:49
Amrocits hard to explain, its in the boot up process where it messed up, i had a desk top, but it had a 1x1 gry rectange on it just to the right of the center of the screen06:49
witigonenTheMuso, so just throw in 'audio' somewhere in the blacklist file?06:49
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fabbioneKeyserSoze: any luck?06:50
bronsonAmroc: this is well before X tries to launch?06:50
TheMusowitigonen: At the end would be best I think.06:50
witigonenTheMuso, Thank you.06:50
TheMusoThen what I also suggest, is to rmmod audio, and modprobe snd-usb-audio06:50
TheMusoThis will bring the device under ALSA control immediately.06:50
Amrocbronson, you know how it does the gry text on a black screen load up? then goes into log in screen,  its in the gry text part. i can log in just fine, and then it messes up06:51
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lamontbronson: he's also running a very old, pretty raw livecd06:51
witigonenThe module is in use, what's the best way to fix that?06:51
lamontwitigonen: kill the app that's using it?06:51
bronsonHm.  Any idea of whether it's X screwing up or not?06:51
TheMusowitigonen: Type lsmod | grep audio and let me know what you get.06:51
Amroclamont, this is from the purple disk that you gave me and eric06:51
xskoulaxhow can i view running services i can't see anything with top or system monitor?06:51
Amroclamont, the one from last week06:51
lamontAmroc: was that install or liveCD?06:51
Amroclamont, install06:51
lamontah, that's RC06:52
TheMusolamont: There is also a chance that another module needs it, but I doubt it.06:52
Amroclamont, and why wernt you at jujistu tonight? we did katas06:52
TheMusowitigonen: Try lamont's suggestion first.06:52
lamontalso a bit old - could be just bad burn.06:52
lamontAmroc: stuck in some fire training that I must makeup before month end06:52
bronsonAmroc: maybe you could try hitting F7 (I think -- it's one of those Fs) at the first boot prompt and turning off the console.06:52
witigonenTheMuso, lamont, XMMS was the only thing I can think of that was using it, and it is gone now.06:52
lamontwas hoping they'd lecture _first_, and I could leave when they got to skills.  they went the other direction06:52
bronsonThat might help.  The kernel console code is still flaky -- I had to turn it off today to get my install to finish.06:52
TheMusowitigonen: Ok try and unload the audio module.06:52
bronsonSorry, s/console/framebuffer/06:53
Amroclamont, ill be the live cd guinea pig06:53
witigonenSame thing.06:53
lamontAmroc: cool06:53
ChrifferWhat is this about live CDs you are talking about?06:54
TheMusowitigonen: Hmmm. Ok try and do what I said earlier, and tell me what you get... lsmod | grep audio. You will get a few modules listed, but at least we can try and find out what is using your module.06:54
witigonenTheMuso, check your query window.06:54
bronsonAmroc: I just looked it up.06:56
bronsonAmroc: at boot, hit F7.06:56
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bronsonType "linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false" to boot.06:56
bronsonThat turns off the framebuffer.06:56
AmrocOhmer, for now, i say screw it, im glad to have a comp back after a week06:57
bronsonAt the very least, that should change whatever failure you're seeing.  If not, then it's got to be X related.06:57
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Amrocbronson, will that stop it from slowing down to 1degree kelvin (yes its taht slow basicly)07:00
mdzKeyserSoze: what was the outcome of that test?07:01
bronsonAmroc: it's hard to tell, but from your description the problem sounds display related.07:01
bronsonThat would lead me to believe that it's either X or the framebuffer that's messing things up.07:01
KeyserSozemdz: getting Xlib errors07:01
KeyserSoze(metacity:12023): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib07:02
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KeyserSoze(metacity:12023): Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers07:02
bronsonSo, turning off the framebuffer removes one of the potential culprits.07:02
speelhey can some one help PLEASE im trying to install my cam drivers and i get this error make: *** /lib/modules/ No such file or directory.  Stop. any ideas??07:02
KeyserSozeso I'm thinking it has something to do with X itself07:02
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fabbioneKeyserSoze: for curiosity... LC_ALL=en_DK07:03
fabbioneKeyserSoze: i don't see these errors with my locale07:03
witigonenTheMuso, I now get a soundcard misconfigured error when trying to play something in XMMS.07:03
KeyserSozebut you're on i386?07:04
TheMusowitigonen: Check your messages window.07:04
fabbioneKeyserSoze: well yes.. but it shouldn't make any difference07:05
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bronsonSeems like archive.ubuntu.com is holding up pretty well.07:08
bronsonI was expecting it to stumble a bit after the slashdotting...07:08
jdubdidn't get a real slashdot story07:10
jduband it handled well when the preview went out07:10
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xskoulaxhello, how can i view running services i can't see anything with top or system monitor?07:11
bronsonxskoulax: run "ps -ax" in a console?07:12
xskoulaxthx bronson 07:12
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asubedihas anyone got touchpad working with synaptic driver (tapping, scrolling, etc.)?07:20
jdubshould work by default07:21
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TheMusoI have a touchpad, but don't use it. I must try that though, I was thinking the same thing the other day.07:22
asubedijdub: it's not working by default; although, i installed in my friend's laptop and there Everything Just Works (tm)07:22
TheMusoasubedi: What sort of laptop have you got?07:22
asubediTheMuso: Sony Vaio PCG GRX50007:23
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jbahi guys07:23
asubedialso, i expected sonypi to be automatically loaded07:23
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jbais anybody else in here getting the X cursor in the middle of their screen after login into ubuntu?07:24
TheMusoasubedi: What functionality does sonypi give you07:24
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jbait usually disappears after 5 minutes (for no apparent) reason, but is alwasy there on next restart07:24
RuffianSoldierGod i love Ubuntu07:25
asubediTheMuso: jog dail07:25
jbayes it is good07:25
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TheMusoAh ok.07:25
UbuntuIm now known as Ubuntu, and i have this name registered07:25
TheMusoUbuntu: Who cares? :)07:25
UbuntuIts because i created Ubuntu07:25
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aitrusthat joke wasn't funny the first time you told it in here07:26
UbuntuNow, whenever anyone says ubuntu, it will draw my attention07:26
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jbaso guys, has anyone else experieneced my problem ?07:28
TheMusojba: I think this problem has come up a fair bit. You might want to look on the mailing list archives, or the wiki. It has previously been discussed in here as well I think.07:29
jbacool thanks TheMuso, searching mailing list now, but nothing in the faq07:30
Skifwitigonen: go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts07:30
SkifYou can set up various multimedia keys with that07:30
Skifjdub: coulda sworn I said that :)07:30
SkifAmroc: ubuntu is love07:30
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SkifAmroc: I gave Glen Foster a good install CD; you could get it from him if you go by, maybe07:30
SkifAmroc: did it continue to boot after those gave the warnings?07:30
SkifAmroc: try the torrent in the /title07:30
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speelhey is there a gui tool for apache?07:34
aitrusapache is best configured by hand07:36
aitrusit's easy07:36
aitrusthe config file is well documented07:36
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jbaguys who do i need to speak to about getting them to include pptpconfig (and a later version of pptp) included in the warty repo?07:36
KeyserSozecan anyone confirm for me that they can run a java app under ubuntu on amd64 using either blackdown or sun jre please?07:37
jbathey're currently using a really old version of pptp (1.3.1) and debian has had 1.5.0 for  a while07:37
KeyserSozeany java app whatsoever07:38
jdubjba: we froze in late june07:39
jbahey jdub07:39
jbathe same jdub from planet.gnome ?07:39
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bronsonjba: I get that X cursor too.07:39
jdubcool, that's the desired effect ;)07:40
bronsonIt disappears whenever I drag a window.07:40
jbabronson, there is a fix on the net apparently07:40
bronsonReappears when waking the laptop back up after suspend to ram.07:40
jbajdub pptpclient is run by another fellow aussie, he's over at #pptp07:40
bronsonDoesn't bother me enough for me to do something about.  ;)07:40
fabbionemdz: KeyserSoze is getting the same problem on all jre.. but i need you to check if it is a local problem or not07:40
fabbionemdz: can you give it a shot please?07:40
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KeyserSozehe is?07:40
jbaon freenode, he would really like to be able to get it into upstream ubuntu07:40
bronsonjba: did you fix it?07:40
KeyserSozethat makes me feel a bit better07:40
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jbanot on my ubuntu machine at, it's at home, will try tonight 07:40
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jdubjba: that will most likely have to wait for Hoary07:41
jbabronson, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002102.html07:41
jdubjba: because it's in our supported list07:41
jbait's a great app07:41
RuffianSoldieri love it07:41
RuffianSoldierMono is tight also07:41
KeyserSozefabbione: how can I check?07:41
jbajdub, btw, is there a reason why gnome 2.8 doesn't have vpn connections in it's network configurator ?07:41
bronsonjba: turn off the HW cursor??  That's a shame.07:42
jdubjba: no one has written that code yet :)07:42
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KeyserSozefabbione: there are alot of posts on usenet but no useful replies07:42
jbaaah, thought it was taken out, but that must have been some fc2 specific code07:42
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jbabronson, what does the hw cursor actually do these days anyhow ?07:42
speeler how do u shut off apache07:43
jbaso jdub, what do you actually work on during the day ?07:43
fabbioneKeyserSoze: i need mdz to check on his amd64 box07:43
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bronsonjba: well, hm.  Not much I suppose.  :)07:43
jdubjba: ubuntu07:43
fabbioneKeyserSoze: if it is a general java problem there is not much i can really do07:43
bronsonIt sure was important back in the mid-90s though!07:43
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calcjdub: so how many downloads has ubuntu gotten so far?07:44
asubedijdub: dmesg doesn't show anything about Synaptic Touchpad07:44
jbajdub, i meant as in to earn a living, does that mean you work 'for canonical' ?07:44
KeyserSozefabbione: with 2 diff JREs?07:44
speeler how do u shut off apache07:44
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jbaspeel there is an init script to shut it down isn't there?07:44
jdubjba: yes07:44
jbajdub, that's pretty cool07:44
speelyea but where lol07:45
broomani'm new to ubuntu, coming from gentoo. how do i find the packaged ati drivers? i did a search in synaptic and didn't come up with anything. any ideas?07:45
TheMusoapt-cache search fglrx07:46
speelany one else knows how to shut off apache07:47
TheMusoOr search for fglrx in synaptec07:47
TheMusospeel: Is there an init script named something lie apache or httpd in /etc/init.d/?07:47
fabbioneKeyserSoze: well... it's not like an impossible situation..07:47
fabbionebut i agree that it is not normal07:47
speelleme check07:47
punkass/etc/init.d/apache stop07:47
punkass(i think)07:47
punkassor its /etc/init.d/httpd stop07:48
broomanTheMuso, thanks07:48
speelyea it was ./etc/init.d/apache2 stop07:48
speeldamn lol apache is still running tho07:49
speel* Stopping web server (Apache2)...07:50
speelhttpd (pid 18860?) not running      07:50
punkassbut ps aux says it still is?07:50
punkasswell you try and just kill the pid07:52
punkass*could try*07:52
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speelo nvm i got it i had to be root to stop it07:52
speeli mean sudo07:52
punkassah right07:53
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_iancan ubuntu preserve existing partitions?  the install program shows just the disk (and 0 partitions) on two different computers07:53
TheMuso_ian: During the installer, there is the option to erase the hard disk, or partition manually. Did you get this?07:55
_ianchose manually07:56
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TheMusoAnd there weren't any partitions?07:56
_ianit shows the disk-- is it supposed to show partitions below it?  (I seem to remember seeing that in a screenshot somewhere?)07:56
TheMuso_ian: thats right.07:57
_ianok, well, no partitions07:57
TheMuso_ian: What was previously installed on those machines?07:57
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_ianslackware and windows on one computer07:57
_ianmandrake 10 on another07:57
TheMusoCan you still boot into either?07:57
_ianyes, I never comitted anything (and didn't install ubuntu)07:58
bronsonFWIW, my laptop had a screwed up partition map that the Ubuntu partitioner couldn't handle.07:58
bronsonSo, I figured out how to bootstrap from Knoppix.  :)07:58
TheMusoI was just about to say the partition table may be shot. It may need something like Partition Magic to clean it up. However, I don't know of any free/open source alternative to PM.07:58
TheMusoIs qtpartd just the front-end or is that the entire program?07:59
bronsonBoot knoppix, then run qtparted.07:59
bronsonIt's a front-end for parted.07:59
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bronson(gnu parted?)07:59
_ianinteresting you say that, because Fedora installer complained about the partition table and Partition Magic in Windows says it's messed too.  So I figured the partition table was just busted.  But then I tried installing on a different computer and it looked the same (no partitions shown)08:00
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bronsonYeah, gnu parted: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html08:00
TheMuso_ian: Did you check the partition table of the second machine?08:00
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_ianno, I only had the ubuntu CD there and no Windows/PM08:01
TheMusoWhat was on the second machine?08:01
_ianthat was the mandrake one08:01
TheMusobronson: Do you know if there is a GTK front-end to gparted?08:01
TheMusoThe partition table still could be shot though.08:01
_ianboth machines have several reiserfs partitions08:01
TheMusoThat is the only thing I can think of at this present time. If Ubuntu installer doesn't see anything, yet the machines are still able to boot into the operating systems on them, then yeah.08:02
_ianthen it must be corrupted partition table?08:02
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TheMuso_ian: I certainly wouldn't say that it certainly is, but there is a possibility that it is. If you have Knoppix handy, it has a tool on it called qtpartd that is supposedly able to fix up partition tables.08:03
_ianI don't, but I think I have a Gnoppix CD08:04
fabbionemdz_: did you read above?08:04
_ianhow reliable would say partition table fixing is?08:04
TheMuso_ian: I have never used parted myself, only partition magic. I know that works.08:05
KazeNoBokushai like that ubuntu is debian, and that it has evolution 2.0 and most likely spamassassin 3, as well as firefox 1.0PR.  but is it as stable as debian? i'm currently using testing (sarge) and haven't had stability problems yet, except sometimes it randomly crashes (that sounds kinda weird, but what i mean is that it rarely ever happens, but when it does, it's extremely annoying)08:05
fabbionewhat you get with java start?08:05
bronsonTheMuso: no idea.08:05
TheMusoBut Partition Magic is not free/open source.08:05
_ianpartition magic says it can't fix it :)08:06
KazeNoBokushait's free, on efnet :P08:06
bronsonTheMuso: hold up.  I should have know.08:06
bronsonTheMuso: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/08:06
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bronsonCan't vouch for it though.08:06
TheMusobronson: Right.08:06
TheMusoWell if PM can't fix it, I don't know what can.08:06
TheMusoOther than completely whiping the boot record and starting again.08:07
KazeNoBokushaanyone alive in here, other than you three?08:07
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bronsonAnyone know how to run XR&R in Ubuntu?08:07
bronsonI want to switch to 16 bit.08:07
_ianTheMuso: sigh.  yeah I may just wipe it08:07
KazeNoBokushai'd like to know if ubuntu is crashy, i heard in a review that ubuntu is rough around the edges08:08
TheMusobronson: Do you want to run in 16-bit perminantly?08:08
bronsonTheMuso: yep08:08
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pepsi_lately i've been coming back to a login screen after leaving my computer for a while.. pretty randomly.. just now it happened after leaving it for just a few minutes, but sometimes i can leave all day and its fine08:08
bronsonI can just change XF86config.08:08
bronsonBut I'm trying to do it the "Ubuntu Way"  :)08:08
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_ianpepsi_: I read about that recently.  a buggy xscreensaver?08:08
jdubKazeNoBokusha: not really08:08
jdubKazeNoBokusha: that was probably a preview review08:08
SkifI can't for the life of me figure out why.08:08
_ianpepsi_: do you have it set to random?08:08
KazeNoBokushajdub, it was08:09
pepsi__ian, yeah08:09
SkifI've tried running memtest86, and it doesn't show anything obvious08:09
_ianpepsi_: try setting it to just one, then change which one after you're sure that one is ok :)08:09
pepsi__ian, thats a pain in the ass, but it seems to be the most likely cause08:09
_ianpepsi_: if you figure out which one it is, tell people08:10
pepsi_hehe, ok08:10
_iangoogle for it, someone may have already done the work08:10
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KazeNoBokushanow i do not understand why, but with debian sarge i get random freezes in which it does not reboot but all hardware stops responding (including the monitor) and drives stop being read from. would ubuntu have the same problems as debian sarge?08:10
pepsi_im guessing its an open GL one08:10
Broomanumm how do i get the gcc compiler to work? it appears to be installed08:11
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: That sounds more like hardware than anything else to me08:11
TheMusoBrooman: What do you want to compile?08:11
KazeNoBokushamemtest86 on the gentoo 2004.1 cd runs stable08:11
BroomanTheMuso: my own programs for class08:11
TheMusoWell do you know gcc syntax?08:11
TheMusocommand-line syntax that is08:12
KazeNoBokushai actually removed a very faulty very expensive RAM stick08:12
_ianBrooman: can you run 'gcc' from the command line?08:12
BroomanTheMuso: of course08:12
Brooman_ian: no08:12
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pepsi_Brooman, i think i had a similar problem08:12
_ianBrooman: 'command not found' ?08:12
Brooman_ian: yes08:12
pepsi_install it again08:12
KazeNoBokushawell, instead of a hardware problem it could be some experimental kernel option like nforce support of some kind that's doing it08:13
KazeNoBokushabut who knows08:13
KazeNoBokushaanyway, thanks08:13
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: What kernel version are you running?08:13
pepsi_my system was horribly unstable until i disabled acpi08:14
Broomanwhy is gcc 3.3 base and gcc 3.4 base installed? is this necessary?08:14
KazeNoBokushai have everything i would ever need either compiled in or as a module, and everything else left out08:14
pepsi_i have both installed myself08:14
KazeNoBokushayeah acpi could be it08:14
KazeNoBokushai could try to completely disable it08:14
TheMusoBrooman: Have you installed build-essential installed?08:15
KazeNoBokushabut that might cause problems too...no ability for the monitor to sleep, or is that a DPMS thing?08:15
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: APM can handle that, but the DPMS is responsible for the monitor AFAIK08:15
BroomanTheMuso: no..doesn't appear to be. should i install it?08:16
KazeNoBokushawell i don't really need apm or acpi on a desktop if dpms is seperate and takes care of the monitor08:16
TheMusoBrooman: Yes. That should give you gcc the command08:16
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: I think DPMS still needs some sort of PM, not sure though.08:16
pepsi_i dont have apm or acpi enabled08:17
pepsi_and my monitor goes to sleep08:17
KazeNoBokushahmm, well i suppose it doesn't really matter08:17
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TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: According to what pepsi_ said above, it will be fine without either.08:17
KazeNoBokushaalso, when i install linux, it loads a kernel from the cd for use, and loads everything as modules. when i go back and recompile a lot of things built in, it still tries to load the modules. how do i fix this?08:18
pepsi_move the moduels out of the way08:18
KazeNoBokushai do, i've been installing the kernel the `debian way' with make-kpkg08:18
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: It is better however to leave some things as modules IMO. ALSA in particular is better as modules.08:18
KazeNoBokushaalsa? really?08:19
KazeNoBokushawell, other things have issues too, it's not just that08:19
TheMusoYes. It also means that your kernel doesn't take as long to load.08:19
KazeNoBokushai can't recall which, it scrolls by so fast and i can't go back and read it08:19
Broomanrecompiling the kernel to suit my hardware is not going to hurt anything is it?08:20
KazeNoBokushaspeaking of loading, why even with everything as modules does linux take so long to load compared to XP?08:20
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, hasn't hurt me, just helped08:20
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: Hotplug is one of the bigger culprits08:20
KazeNoBokushawindows has an equivalent though, and it takes less time anyway08:21
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: Yeah I know. Hotplug always takes ages on any distro that I have ever used.08:21
BroomanKazeNoBokusha: is there anything that must be in the kernel for the system to work?08:21
TheMusoBrooman: Hard drive support for a start.08:22
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KazeNoBokushaBrooman, if you can make it a module, it's not usually required, but if you're unsure about a specific option, ask08:22
TheMusoBrooman: And filesystems08:22
pepsi_read the info in each config option before deciding08:22
KazeNoBokushaonly the filesystems you'll actually use08:22
TheMusoBrooman: I suggest you use a base config from an existing kernel on your system.08:22
KazeNoBokushaso if linux and windows both have a hotplug type thing, why does linux still take longer?08:23
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: You will have to ask the devs about that one.08:23
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KazeNoBokushaso now that ubuntu is not a preview, but a final version (4.1.0 already?), i imagine it has most major bugs ironed out, and is comparable to other distros? or would you say it still needs some work before it's at the level that other distros are at?08:24
TheMusoIn terms of stability, I would say it is up there with other desktop distros. As for functionality and ease of configuration, it still has a little way to go yet.08:25
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KazeNoBokushain which areas? some examples?08:26
oddabe19TheMuso, 08:26
KazeNoBokushacamera support? hardware? software?08:26
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oddabe19I think that ubuntu is great in functunality, considering, for me at least, everything worked the moment i booted it the first time08:26
oddabe19which is something i don't get from any other distro08:26
oddabe19but that was me08:26
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: For a start, laptop support is quite good out of the box, in terms of monitoring battery, wireless if one has it, speedstep for the CPU, etc.08:26
KazeNoBokushaok, sounds good, but i have a desktop so that's unnecessary. will it run needless programs in the background trying to monitor the battery and whatnot?08:27
TheMusoRemovable devices such as USB flash drives are automatically mounted and come up in GNOME when connected.08:27
KazeNoBokushahmm, even if those devices weren't connected at install time?08:28
KazeNoBokushafor debian, i had to have them in at install so they'd be entered into fstab08:28
TheMusoIt also should take care of USB hard drives.08:28
KazeNoBokushahow's it put it in fstab?08:28
Despairprobably isn't, just shows up in /etc/mtab08:28
KazeNoBokushawhat's that? i've seen it in /etc08:29
KazeNoBokushalooks similar08:29
KazeNoBokushato fstab08:29
TheMusoNo fstab entries are created, as the device is mounted only while it is plugged in. And as far as I am ware, you can unplug the device without actually having to unmount it.08:29
Despairstuff that's mounted. even if it's not preconfigured08:29
KazeNoBokushaoh OK08:29
KazeNoBokushathat sounds cool08:29
KazeNoBokushawish debian did that08:29
KazeNoBokushahow about firewire drives? formatted on a mac as a dos drive?08:30
Despairit can, they just don't automatically do it, because it works extremely badly on some drives.08:30
bronsonWhy did Ubuntu go with firefox?  I find I like Epiphany to be more polished and better integrated.08:30
pepsi_TheMuso, id be wary about unplugging it before unmounting it, no?08:30
KazeNoBokushabronson, plugins?08:30
bronsonJust wondering if this is a Ubuntu-specific decision, or a general Gnome direction...08:30
KazeNoBokushabronson, yes it is more integrated though08:30
KazeNoBokushabut firefox is more popular08:30
TheMusoFrom what jdub said at a demonstration at my local LUG, they use the sync option when mounting, so that there is no cached data when the device is read from or written to.08:30
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: Epiphany runs all Moz plugins doesn't it?08:31
KazeNoBokushabronson, debian sarge's gnome package has it this way too08:31
KazeNoBokushabronson, i know some plugins are specific to specific implementations of mozilla, even different versions of the same implementation08:31
pepsi_TheMuso, maybe thats why my ipod is so slow08:31
bronsonWell, true.08:31
KazeNoBokushalike some plugin only works for firefox .8 and up08:31
bronsonMoz suffers from DLL hell.08:31
TheMusopepsi_: That is probably why.08:32
bronsonTrying to get it to run Java applets on Debian is always a nightmare.08:32
bronsonFine, shared library hell.  :)08:32
KazeNoBokushaanyway, how's ubuntu on firewire drives?08:32
pepsi_KazeNoBokusha, my ipod works fine08:32
KazeNoBokushai've heard an nforce2 board is problematic under linux, and i haven't tried firewire yet, so i'm worried08:33
pepsi_cept its slow08:33
KazeNoBokushapepsi_, hmm08:33
KazeNoBokushapepsi_, any idea why?08:33
KazeNoBokushapepsi_, i don't want to transfer 10G of files slowly after all08:33
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pepsi_but as TheMuso just said, its probably because its mounted with an option to sync08:34
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: pepsi_ seems to think it is something to do with what I explained above.08:34
pepsi_im going to try putting it in fstab08:34
KazeNoBokushapepsi_, do you have other firewire devices which aren't slow, or does sync make all fw drives slow?08:34
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TheMusopepsi_: That might cause problems, as hal will see it and try to mount it elsewhere.08:34
pepsi_ill have to read up and see how i can specify mount options08:35
KazeNoBokushawaitasecond, the ipod registers as a harddrive? i thought it was some non-standard proprietary protocol instead08:35
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pepsi_yeah, its just a hard drive08:36
vegaihmm, did someone answer before I crashed?08:36
KazeNoBokushaso, like, i could use it doubly as a storage device if i got one08:36
pepsi_you didnt ask anything afaik08:36
KazeNoBokushanow i see why they cost so much, they are useful for more than just one thing08:36
pepsi_still not worth it though08:37
TheMusoIf you wanted to, but it would probably be cheaper to buy an external firewire box and wack a hard drive in that.08:37
vegaiI asked whether there's an ubuntu way for reconfiguring X, or whether I should do it manually08:37
_ianwow used computers on craiglist are really cheap!08:37
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KazeNoBokushaspeaking of things which register as a normal old drive, my camera does that, so gphoto2 doesn't work with it :P kinda ironic that it only works with nonstandard protocols08:37
TheMusovegai: I think you will have to do it manually.08:37
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KazeNoBokusha_ian, yeah it's better than ebay in some ways08:38
calcyou can reconfigure it the same as in debian08:38
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: Well cameras are even better. You can connect the camera, and it will ask if you want to import the photos into your photo album.08:38
calcat least iirc08:38
calcdpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8608:38
BroomanI am used to there being a grub.conf in /boot/grub/...where the heck is it?08:38
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_ianKazeNoBokusha: it helps that many sellers aren't educated :)08:38
KazeNoBokushaTheMuso, it does that for me on debian, but then when it brings up the dialog box asking which device to select, it finds none08:38
KazeNoBokushacalc, what's the -plow for?08:39
vegaicalc: ah, yes. Thanks08:39
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, you want menu.lst?08:39
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: Well I have seen it done. I didn't know how exactly, but it was.08:39
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karatis wartywarthog the only cd release?08:39
BroomanKazeNoBokusha: hmmm..odd.08:39
KazeNoBokushaTheMuso, it was a camera that registered as a camera, not as a drive, that's how08:39
karatI just downloaded it and am doing my first ubuntu install08:39
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calcKazeNoBokusha: priority low08:40
SmokingFirewere the name of the file with the hdparms? and where is it located?08:40
KazeNoBokushacalc, shouldn't they have made it as --plow then?08:40
ZindarSmokingFire: /etc/hdparm.conf08:40
calcKazeNoBokusha: its -p(low)08:40
SmokingFireZindar: thanks08:40
calcnot a multiple char argument08:40
calcso eg -phigh works as well, etc08:40
KazeNoBokushawell, i'm sold on ubuntu, it sounds like, so what i need to know now is how do i wipe a CDRW in gnome? i have debian-installer on it but i would like to put ubuntu on it08:41
vegaihmm, now I will have to restart X, then. Will ubuntu's gdm act nicely if X fails?08:41
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bur[n] erKazeNoBokusha: install k3b?08:41
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: I think you will have to wipe it either from K3b, or on the command line.08:41
KazeNoBokushaTheMuso, keramik is fugly, and i don't know how to change themes without full-blown kde, so how do i do it from the command line? it wouldn't be too hard for the nautilus to fix that, though, sheesh08:43
Broomani need a flash plugin for my browser08:43
TheMusoIs your CD burner set up through SCSI emulation?08:43
KazeNoBokushano, i'm on a 2.6 kernel08:43
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bur[n] erKazeNoBokusha: there's a python based cd burning app otu there for gtk that works pretty well... eroaster maybe?08:43
calcnautilus can't blank discs?08:43
TheMusocalc: Not yet.08:44
jdubit blanks before writing08:44
jdubbut i don't think you can tell it to blank08:44
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jdubmaybe try writing nothing08:44
Zindardoes it always blank?08:44
Broomanwhat is the name of the flash plugin?08:44
KazeNoBokushaeroaster? i know there's groast, but that's designed for scsi emulation burning08:44
calcwould be cool to make a gnome nero clone with libburn :)08:45
KazeNoBokushaanother thing they should steal source from k3b for is multisession burning08:45
calccdrecord based stuff should die along with cdrecord ;)08:45
bur[n] erKazeNoBokusha: check out eroaster int he meantime08:45
calcand joerg 'ate the gpl' schilling as well ;)08:46
KazeNoBokushacalc, well isn't freedesktop.org trying to merge qt and gtk? when it happens k3b will fit in with the gnome desktop just fine08:46
vegaicalc: what could we use then...08:46
calcKazeNoBokusha: k3b uses cdrecord (gag)08:46
jdubKazeNoBokusha: no08:46
calcvegai: libburn, see fdo08:46
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: There are also several libraries and GUIs being developed for GNOME. A library called libburn is under development.08:46
KazeNoBokushawhat's libburn, and what uses it?08:46
joemcoaster will use it eventually08:47
karatdoes ubuntu setup software channel mixing automatically?08:47
BroomanDoes anyone have flash working in firefox?08:47
joemthere is a small app called optimystic that uses it iirc08:47
KazeNoBokushabur[n] er, no eroast found in debian sarge package list08:47
bur[n] eryou should prolly try eroaster08:47
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, yes, but not on ubuntu08:47
lhbBrooman: yes08:47
Broomanlhb: what package do i need?08:48
KazeNoBokushait's available through debian sarge contrib or maybe non-free08:48
calccoaster looks decent, but i'm not sure its gui is actually going to be easy to use08:48
lhbBrooman: hold on a sec08:48
KazeNoBokushabur[n] er, it doesn't find it, i said08:48
BroomanKazeNoBokusha: how do I access those repositories?08:48
BroomanKazeNoBokusha: im new to this ubuntu/debian thing08:48
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, it's called universe on ubuntu, i hear08:48
joemcalc, yea some of the screenshots look odd08:48
KazeNoBokushait's not supported08:48
KazeNoBokushabut you can do it08:49
bur[n] eri'm using debian... eroaster is there... eroast is not08:49
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, one second i'll find it for you08:49
TheMusoKazeNoBokusha: Try gtoaster08:49
BroomanKazeNoBokusha: i appreciate it08:49
KazeNoBokushaTheMuso, can't, it needs scsi emu08:49
calchttp://www.coaster-burn.org/coaster-gui/screenshots.html <- for anyone who wants to see it08:49
bur[n] erisn't coaster not being developed anymore?08:50
TheMusoOptimistic screenshots look good IMO.08:50
joemthere should be some form of a release within the next week or so08:50
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joembur[n] er, no it is08:50
KazeNoBokushaBrooman, download this package somewhere and then install it08:50
lhbBrooman: you need to enable universe in the apt sources.list08:50
calcgnometoaster seemed to have the right idea, but needs work (and also appears to be dead?)08:51
bur[n] erseems there hasn't been any coaster activity in ages though08:51
joemlibburn development was holding it back for a while, so it is using nautilus burn until libburn is useable08:51
joembur[n] er, there has, just no releases08:51
lhbBrooman: then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree08:51
KazeNoBokushabur[n] er, you're on debian sarge?08:51
lhbBrooman: that did it for me08:51
karati just installed ubuntu, but my touchpad doesnt work08:51
bur[n] erKazeNoBokusha: unstable08:52
bronsonWhat's the best way to recompile the kernel under Ubuntu?08:52
bronsonI need to install the Orinoco monitor patch.08:52
KazeNoBokushalhb, but then he could accidentally get something from debian sid which is not compatible with ubuntu08:52
KazeNoBokushabur[n] er, that explains it, eroaster is only in stable and unstable, not testing08:53
lhbKazeNoBokusha: i wouldnt know, works fine here though08:53
jdubbronson: make sure multiverse is enabled in sources.list and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree08:53
TheMusobronson: You can do it the Debian way if you know that.08:53
KazeNoBokushawhich is weird to say the least08:53
bronsonTheMuso: I do, but I find that it's more trouble than it's worth.08:53
Broomanlhb: good deal..thanks :)08:53
KazeNoBokushajdub, check your tab completion08:53
lhbisnt everything in universe already ubuntu compatible?08:54
bronsonjdub: ?08:54
bronsonOh, that was for lhb.08:54
KazeNoBokushabronson, join #debian and type !kp08:54
KazeNoBokushabronson, it will give full info08:54
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: you swear that won't get me in trouble?  :)08:54
KazeNoBokushalhb, but it could provide a different version of the same software08:54
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KazeNoBokushabronson, of course08:55
jdubeverything in the warty repositories is compatible with and built against warty08:55
KazeNoBokushabronson, it just makes a bot tell you how to compile the kernel the debian way08:55
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bronson"Just open your browser and type goatse..."  :)08:55
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KazeNoBokushabronson, just don't type !kick dpkg08:55
KazeNoBokushaor !punch etc...08:56
TheMusoDoes eroaster need SCSI emu?08:56
comfreyTheMuso: afaik yes, if you are using an ide drive08:56
KazeNoBokushaby default, is ubuntu oss or alsa?08:57
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: So you like kpkg better than make install?  (personal opinion)08:57
KazeNoBokushai know debian is oss :(08:57
avarguys, whats with those models in ubuntu?08:57
KazeNoBokushabronson, yes, because it's one click to get rid of old kernels08:57
karatIs the 2.6.9 kernel available for ubuntu08:57
calcusing make-kpkg is much simpler to use08:57
tolstoyif I want to "fix" sbcl so it'll exist in "universe," how do I go about it?08:57
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Treenaksavar: they've been removed in the final release, I guess -- or at least made optional08:58
avarTreenaks: i think it looks cool;)08:58
Treenaksavar: you can turn them on if you like08:59
Krypt0nnare they on by default?08:59
TreenaksKrypt0nn: not anymore08:59
TreenaksKrypt0nn: you have to turn them on09:00
topylihmm. i've never turned on any models before09:00
Krypt0nna lot of people will be happy09:00
Krypt0nnpersonally i dont care09:00
avarTreenaks, what has it been replaced by?09:00
Krypt0nnthey are people big deal09:00
karatanybody? 2.6.9 kernel availability?09:00
Treenakstopyli: there's a first time for everything 8)09:00
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Treenaksavar: artwork that's almost the same, but without people09:00
TheMusoALSA is used by default I think09:00
topyliTreenaks: yeah. ubuntu rocks! =)09:00
avarTreenaks, do you have screenshots of that?09:01
TreenaksKrypt0n: to you... ask someone from an Arab country09:01
Treenaksavar: uh09:01
Treenaksavar: dunno09:01
TheMusokarat: What sort of laptop are you running?09:01
Krypt0nTreenaks: I understand that yeah09:01
vegaihmm... rhythmbox doesn't know how to play mp309:01
TheMusovegai: Install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.09:01
Treenaksvegai: it does, if you install libgstreamer0.8-mad09:02
Treenaks(maybe it's gstreamer0.8-mad)09:02
vegaigstreamer0.8-misc seems to have it09:02
Treenaksthe FAQ should really be updated, I keep seeing the same questions over and over09:02
karatTheMuso: It's a toshiba a75, brand new. The touchpad requires a patch that was brought in on 2.6.909:02
vegaioh, it doesn't09:02
Treenaksvegai: gstreamer0.8-plugins installs all of them09:02
Treenaksvegai: so you can watch/listen a few other formats as well09:03
TheMusokarat: Well in that case you are out of luck unless they upgrade the kernel to 2.6.9, or you build it yourself.09:03
vegaithat's in universe, too?09:03
karatargh crap09:03
karattheres no experimental support?09:03
topyliwhen someone tries to listen to mp3s, we should by default convert them to oggs and then play them :)09:03
TheMusotopyli: Then they sound crap.09:03
TheMusokarat: You could try and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.09:04
topyliTheMuso: that's what you get when you mess with mp3s, there would be a "lesson"09:04
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=== bur[n] er wouldn't appreciate .ogg's on his mp3/cd player in his car
BroomanI do not want gdm to start when booting..gentoo used a utility called rc-update to add or remove things from runlevels..is there a debian equivalent?09:08
avarBrooman, yes, chmod -x the init script,09:08
TheMusoBrooman: Yes. update-rc.d is what you are looking for.09:08
TheMusoavar: Not the best idea if you only want to remove it from one runlevel.09:08
avarTheMuso, hmm, always worked for me;)09:08
Zindarrm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm09:09
Zindarif best09:09
jdubBrooman: update-rc.d09:09
karatI can officially say that I hate Toshiba's.09:10
topylii had a toshiba t-1000 laptop once. very cool. 8086 processor, 512k RAM :)09:11
TheMusoI had a T-1000LE once. 2MB RAM, 20M HD, 8086 processor.09:12
karattopyli: the new toshibas put the touchpad into an odd ps2/usb hybrid mode that doesn't work on 2.6 until the 2.6.9 kernel09:12
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karataside from that its a badass box though, assuming i can get everything else working09:12
topylikarat: hack on!09:13
topyliTheMuso: the t-1000 had a little read-only HD, with dos 2.2 on it09:13
karatactually, fucking with the less-than-helpful bios managed to get it to work09:13
TheMusokarat: Good to hear.09:15
topyliit had a setting for the mousepad somewhere in the bios?09:15
karatit had a "Legacy USB Support" option09:16
topyligood to know if i come across one of those09:16
karatI don't understand wtf Toshiba was thinking09:16
karatbut with 2.6.9 the problem is gone, theres a patch that allows a passthrough09:16
topylithe default is probably good for xp09:17
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karatxp home is what it came with, and none of the linux toshiba modules work so i suppose its optimized for ms products09:18
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calctoshiba's pcmcia chipsets were always fun to deal with09:19
calckarat: toshiba seems to always have loved to do weird shit that doesn't work right ;)09:19
joemI had a toshiba laptop and most of it was all right09:20
Treenakscalc: for very broad definitions of "fun"09:20
joemwireless worked out of the box09:20
joemused orinoco drivers09:20
karatwell I got the base system installed, i suppose i can work on getting sound and dri working later09:20
calcTreenaks: for a masochistic definition of fun ;)09:20
karatthanks guys09:20
vegaidoes anyone have gaim working using jabber? I can't seem to login anywhere with it09:21
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calcnot sure why toshiba thought it was a good idea to not use standard parts09:21
Gladiakhi everyone :)09:21
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calceverything on my laptop works but the wireless... broadcom pos09:22
Gladiakcan i ask 1 thing ?09:22
Gladiakdo you play normally bb ?09:22
calcGladiak: you just did :)09:22
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calcwhat is bb?09:22
Gladiakan aalib example09:22
Gladiakvery cool09:23
Gladiakbut here doesn't go smooth09:23
TheMusocalc: What is the wireless chipset?09:23
Gladiakcan you try ? just 300k09:23
calcTheMuso: broadcom09:23
eldadoshey guys, do i need to bother about the new release or just apt-get upgrade will bring me there?09:23
TheMusocalc: I feel sorry for you.09:23
Gladiakeldados, th second one i think09:24
calcTheMuso: bcm4306 :\09:24
TheMusoeldados: Just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade.09:24
eldadoscool :)09:24
TheMusocalc: Have you considered using NDISwrapper?09:24
calcTheMuso: i'll be replacing it as soon as the intel 2915abg is available09:24
calcTheMuso: doesn't work on amd6409:24
witigonenSo, now that sound is working wonderfully (thanks to the amazing help of TheMuso)... Hmm... I guess next is a simple question: what's everyone's preferred email client, and why?  I need to use two POP accounts and one IMAP account, so whatever works best with ubuntu and imap..  In FC2 and Windows I used thunderbird, but I'm certainly open to new ideas.09:26
calcmutt, its text :)09:26
TheMusoI use mutt, but for multiple accounts, you may want to consider Evolution.09:27
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witigonenBut I love pretty things so very, very, very much... Eye candy is a major plus for me, I hate to say it.09:27
witigonenEvolution?  The default?  Alright.09:27
TheMusocalc: Do you know if it is possible to use multiple accounts successfully in Mutt?09:27
calcremote access is more important to me, so i just use mutt :)09:27
calcTheMuso: no idea, i only use one09:27
calcmy ccheney@debian.org, chris.cheney@x.org, ccheney@cheney.cx all go to the same mbox :)09:28
TheMusocalc: I think it is possible, but I think it is a pain writing several hooks for different mailboxes for the different addresses.09:28
calcTheMuso: true, not sure how to do that09:28
TheMusocalc: But what about sending from different addresses?09:28
calci just hit esc -f09:28
TheMusocalc: I think you simply use the mailbox hook stuff, but never tried, as it would be tedious with the two accounts, and tons of mailboxes I have mail filtered into. :)09:28
Gladiakehm....there isn't aalib package here ? O_o09:29
jdubTheMuso: just get fetchmail to deliver them to different invocations of procmail or whatever09:29
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jdubthere's a profile changer tool around too09:29
TheMusojdub: Fetchmail is not the problem.09:29
topyliGladiak: there's aalib109:30
calchmm you got me thinking about separating out all my mailboxes now, heh09:30
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KiwiFireGuyWould someone help a newbie make alsaconfig run?09:32
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KiwiFireGuy...in exchange for which I will forcast the future09:33
xskoulaxyes finally wireless is working, updates here we come :D09:33
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: alsaconf is not shipped with Ubuntu09:33
|trey|jdub: read planet.gnome.org to see why I said "benivolent dictator of gnome"  8)09:33
TreenaksKiwiFireGuy: you don't need alsaconfig09:33
jdub|trey|: i've read it.09:33
KiwiFireGuyOK then, dead sound on a Toshiba Tecra 8000... wassup with that?09:33
jdubfew other people would understand where it came from09:33
|trey|jdub: http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/benevolent-dictator.png09:34
jdubdude, i've seen it09:35
jdubfew other people would understand where it came from09:35
KiwiFireGuyIN THE FUTURE... Microsoft will be regarded as the robber barons of the era...09:35
xskoulaxzdrasti dyn09:35
|trey|heh... sorry... agreed... you are the release manager though, as is Linus in many ways too.. so I thought it was an easy concept to grasp  :/09:36
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witigonenOkay.  So.  Email is set up.09:36
redLAWi just wanted to know will people from ubuntu site send me their cd09:37
witigonenAre there any problems with ubuntu and xmms' status plugin and/or xmms-itouch plugins?09:37
jdubredLAW: you've registered with shipit?09:37
KiwiFireGuySo... dead sound? Whats a newbie to do?09:37
dynhi xskoulax :)09:37
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redLAWje i singup on site09:37
dynor, zdrastvujsze09:37
jdubredLAW: they'll be shipped soon09:37
dyn(more or less ;)09:37
xskoulaxdyn that would be way too hard to spell ;)09:38
dynhehe :)09:38
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KiwiFireGuyC'mon guys, "ubuntu" and all that...09:38
redLAWjdub:but will they sent me in my contry. i live in serbia&montenegro09:38
dynuhh that green hurts09:38
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witigonenIs it possible to use either of those plugins with ubuntu, actually?09:39
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: Do you know what chipset the soundcard is?09:39
jameshhmm. openoffice doesn't seem to be picking up the system theme colours :(09:39
Broomanhow do you clean the kernel config file to start from scratch?09:39
witigonenThe xmms status docklet, especially.  Or the osd.  Either would be awesome.09:39
TheMusoKeyserSoze: Have you checked that the volume is turned up?09:40
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: Have you checked that the volume is up?09:40
dynBrooman: make clean will clean your compiled object files and stuff09:40
dynBrooman: make mrproper was also used to clean the tree, but i doubt it would restore the default kernel config09:40
TheMusoIs the soundcard getting recognised at all?09:40
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: Nope09:41
dynis it known where the CDs would get dispatched?09:42
TheMusoHave you tried loading any sound modules manually09:42
jdubredLAW: yes :)09:42
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Broomandyn: i did make clean and make mrproper. menuconfig still shows everything and its brother wanting to be compiled as a module. I kind of want a more or less blank file to start with.09:44
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: No mate... can't think of a delecate way to say this... I don't know how!09:44
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dynBrooman: if you got the kernel tarball, you could just extract the linux-x.y.z/.config, it holds the default config09:45
dynBrooman: i would rather suggest doing so than asking someone to give it to you09:45
witigonenI come from a RedHat background, so I apologize for this question, but how can I install a .deb package?09:45
dyn(*sigh*, i still feel my paranoid sysadm past ;)09:45
Gladiakman apt-get09:45
jdubwitigonen: most of what you need should be installable from the repositories09:45
dynwitigonen: dpkg -i file.deb if you got it locally09:45
mrjivehi *09:45
dynwitigonen: or apt-get install packagename, if you dont09:46
Gladiakok what dyn said09:46
jdubwitigonen: do you ahve a separate .deb package? what is it?09:46
Broomandyn: lol..i'll do that then09:46
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: What kernel are you running?09:46
witigonenI'm trying to install a .deb package for xmms, and it can't find it.  So..09:46
KiwiFireGuyDefault Ubuntu RC109:46
TheMusowitigonen: xmms is in the main repository.09:46
dynwitigonen: apt-get is your friend then. and make sure you got /etc/apt/sources.list set up 09:46
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: Have you tried updating your system to see if that helps?09:46
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: As the final release is out.09:47
witigonenTheMuso, Yes, I got it and it works great, I'm just trying to install a specific plugin for it (xmms-status-plugin)09:47
jdubwitigonen: you only need to type 'apt-get install xmms'09:47
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: No, I should then?09:47
jdubwitigonen: that's in universe09:47
jdubwitigonen: you have to enable universe to install it09:47
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: ...and you already know my next question...09:47
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witigonenjdub, then I must not have my apt sources configured properly, thanks for letting me know.09:47
TheMusoYeah. Run synaptec if you feel more comfortable with a GUI, and update the system first. The sound problem may be fixed in newer versions.09:47
TheMusoExactly how to use synaptec I am unsure about, as I have never had to use it. I always type the commands at the command-line, but someone else in here is sure to help you with that.09:48
redLAWis intel536ep modem supperted on ubuntu09:48
TheMusoredLAW: Is it a software modem?09:48
TreenaksredLAW: is there a linux driver available from the intel site?09:49
witigonen...how very bizarre... I enabled universe, then updated, then did 'sudo apt-get install xmms*' and it gave me the error that it couldn't find the package xmms-status-plugin-etc.09:49
witigonenThere we go, specified the full package name.09:50
redLAWi think it is becuase this is debian09:50
redLAWis gprs connection supported on ubuntu09:51
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: Synaptic tells me there are no upgrades (I assume this means RC1 became the release version unaltered?)09:52
TreenaksredLAW: most likely, yes09:52
TreenaksredLAW: a GPRS connection is just another modem connection (only with a GSM as a modem and a weird phone number)09:53
KiwiFireGuyTreenaks" ET phone home...09:53
TreenaksKiwiFireGuy: hm?09:53
redLAWbut i have se t610 phone and usb cable from kolink09:54
KiwiFireGuySorry, lost in esoteria...09:54
TreenaksredLAW: that'll work jut fine09:54
TreenaksredLAW: (if it's the same DCU-11 cable that I have for my T230)09:54
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: I don't know about the release stuff. One of the devs could probably confirm that. When did you install?09:54
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: And did you download software off the net during the install, or from the CD?09:55
dynosnews comment: "Upgrading to 4.10 works just fine. I just did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade here, and rebooted into 4.10. Only downside is they seem to have taken the naked people out :("09:55
redLAWit noname cable i bought for 20eur09:55
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: All off the ISO, which was d/l about 2 weeks ago.09:55
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redLAWit's noname cable i bought for 20eur09:55
Treenaksdyn: lol :)09:55
KiwiFireGuyNo naked people! Hell...09:55
TreenaksredLAW: could you plug it in now?09:55
KiwiFireGuyC'mon guys, put it back! 09:56
redLAWno becuse i haven;t ubuntu yet, i just asking09:56
TreenaksredLAW: it's very likely that it'll work.09:56
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: I'm happy with command line apt-get in theory, just haven't done it before...09:57
jdubapt-get install ubuntu-calendar09:57
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witigonenIf I wanted to have sounds from other programs playing while XMMS was doing its thing... would that b ea problem, result in poor sound quality, open up a messy can of worms?  Is it better to just leave it as it is or should I bother messing around with arts or esd or something?09:57
jdubwitigonen: tell xmms to use esd09:57
redLAWso when i plugin ubuntu find it and what next09:57
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witigonenjdub, that's it?  Awesome.09:57
TreenaksredLAW: just run pppconfig09:58
mrjivejdub: not alsa?09:58
dynjdub: aint a better approach to configure alsa doing software mixing?09:58
_Hiro_anybody know how I'd load i2o at boot instead of dpt_i2o ?09:58
TreenaksredLAW: that lets you configure a PPP link (look on google, there's a special "phone number" to use for using GPRS)09:58
dyni'd vote against using esd, arts or any other 3rd party software mixer thing09:58
crimsunalsa-lib's dmix is lower level than esd or arts, so that's what I would choose09:59
_Hiro_I checked  with make oldconfig and apparantly dpt_i2o is created as module, so it has to be possible somehow :/09:59
redLAWyes it is *99***#09:59
redLAWon cell provider09:59
TreenaksredLAW: well, you enter that as the phone no., username, password, etc.09:59
TreenaksredLAW: in pppconfig, and then it's done09:59
Treenaks(use /dev/ttyUSB0 as the modem port)09:59
atariboyhmmm. ubuntu/gnome doesn't seem to like VirtualPC10:00
jacobCan Alsa be configured to do software mixing ?10:00
dynjacob: a clear yes10:01
jacobdyn, how ?10:01
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso" OK, apt-get also says I'm up to date (but still with teh naked women... SWEET!). Any other ideas?10:01
dynthough i'm not really familiar with the how part :) my soundcard does hardware mixing10:01
topylidyn: great, now you've slashdotted osnews's ubuntu review10:01
dyntopyli: huh? me? wot? :)10:02
dynahh slashdotted.. ok :)10:02
topylidyn: you should know better than mentioning a website out loud on any medium :)10:02
_Hiro_is there a way to list the contents of an initrd?10:02
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dyntopyli: nah, osnews could handle the load fine, and Eugenia gonna be happy with that side effect too ;)10:03
topyliyeah well, it sure loaded slow for me :)10:03
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topylistill finding the images10:04
TheMusoKiwiFireGuy: I don't think you have the latest updates then. Go to a terminal, and type sudo apt-get update10:04
KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: Just went through that, says I'm all sweet as... odd?10:05
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KiwiFireGuyTheMuso: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."10:06
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witigonenOkay... uh.. .time for the big question.10:09
witigonenInstalling ATI drivers.10:09
witigonenHow painful is it?10:10
Treenakswitigonen: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto10:10
Elw0odwitigonen,  it's not painful10:11
witigonenThat'll be a relief, Elw0od, it was a nightmare on FC2.10:11
Elw0odfc2 is a nightmare its self10:11
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Treenakswitigonen: read the link.. it's a question of installing 1 package and changing your X config.10:11
dynsorry to say but buying an ATI card wasn't the brightest idea from a linux user - _imho_10:11
witigonenTreenaks, reading right now, thanks.10:12
witigonendyn, yes, well when I bought my lovely ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, I wasn't a Linux user.10:12
Elw0odthe same for me with my nvidia10:12
dynwitigonen: ahh ok i'm glad to see you here then :-)10:12
witigonendyn: :)10:12
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Treenaksdyn: it's not like savage and/or via are a lot better10:12
Elw0odbtw i configured an ati 9600 for the linux day 10:13
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Elw0odit isn't impossible10:13
witigonenIs there any reason that XMMS would be seriously slowing my computer down..? It's acting strangely laggy.10:13
crimsunjacob: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaSharing10:14
witigonenElw0od, I managed to configure my 9800 in FC2.  It took a while, a long while, but it worked.  It's definitely possible.  10:14
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crimsunjacob: if you have further questions, i'm in #alsa10:14
Elw0odwitigonen, alsa?10:14
Elw0odwitigonen,  are u using alsa?10:14
witigonenElw0od, I am, yes.10:15
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Treenakswitigonen: have you tried beep-media-player? it might work a bit better10:15
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dynstill about video cards, i use a matrox g450 here at work10:15
elwoodwitigonen, uhm try launching xmms  from a terminal and read the errorrs10:16
elwoodTreenaks, really?10:16
dynit's a real pain to configure to use DRI and openGL with it10:16
Treenakselwood: yes10:16
dyn(some parties of counter-strike occasionally fits into our daily work schedule :)10:16
elwoodTreenaks,  i heard about it..but i have never tried..10:16
elwoodlet me apt-get10:16
deFryskmost plugins of xmms can be copied to beep-media-player10:16
dyn(ofc i'm talking about linux gaming with wine, not windows)10:16
elwooddyn,  are u able to play windows game with wine?10:17
dynelwood: some, yeah10:17
elwooddyn,  have u got any documentation for me?10:17
witigonenI will brb, rebooting to get fglrx.10:18
dynelwood: yeah, a short one. install winex, winex hl.exe :)10:18
dynelwood: it's pretty much working out of the box these days10:18
dynhalf-life, counter-strike, etc10:18
elwoodeven with XP?10:18
plovs_workfrom where is portmap 'controlled'? it is not listening on outside devices (which is good) but I need nfs10:18
elwoodwith windows XP i mean10:19
Treenaksplovs_work: /etc/default/10:19
dynelwood: i dont need windows at all to play windows games10:19
dynwith wine10:19
Juerd_To report a bug, I must first create an account. This I hate. To use the account, I must first receive a confirmation message. I understand why this is needed.10:19
elwooddyn,  ok, maybe i am quite confus..that's why i need to read man :)10:20
Juerd_But it is taking long. Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu's bugzilla's mail server? Is it waitable, or can I better go to work and report the bugs tonight?10:20
plovs_workTreenaks, that is the 'default' place I shoul have been looking :) ,thanks10:20
TreenaksJuerd_: it takes seconds..10:20
Juerd_Treenaks: Has been minutes so far10:20
elwoodbtw ubuntu is great. :)10:20
dynelwood: www.winehq.com, or www.transgaming.com if you're willing to pay for software10:20
TreenaksJuerd_: did you enter the correct mail address?10:20
Juerd_Treenaks: Yes10:21
elwooddyn,  thanks10:21
Juerd_It comes in now10:21
Juerd_Nicely recognised as spam. I wonder why.10:22
TreenaksJuerd_: ask your spam filter..10:23
Juerd_Oh, because it is a *-daemon@* and I have that blacklisted. Makes sense :)10:23
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Treenakswhiprush: and?10:23
Treenakswitigonen: and? :)10:23
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witigonenAnd, well, I don't know where fglrx-control is, but X started and all that, so I'm assuming that it's working.10:25
witigonenAck!  fglrxinfo still says mesa..10:25
elwoodwitigonen,  glxgears?10:25
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witigonen367 fps.10:25
elwoodwitigonen,  glxinfo10:25
witigonenglxinfo... what am I looking for?10:26
Gmaili burned the iso image to cd it booted ... but when i get to the cd driver stuff i went throu each driver and it still told me incorrect driver10:26
witigonenWait, there it is: opengl vendor string, etc. is all saying mesa.10:26
elwood glx?10:26
Gmaili an APHLA d-i sid nightly cd it ever delteched my pata cd drive10:27
Gmailbut the funny thing is the installer works but cant mount my cd drive LOL10:27
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Gmailmy cd drive is a lite-on 52x 52x 32x + 16x10:28
witigonenWhat was that other mp3 player?  beep-music-player..?10:28
Gmailin debian it show up as /dev/hdb10:28
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|trey|witigonen: there are many... zinf, beep, rhythmbox, xmms...10:28
elwoodwitigonen,  apt-get install beep-media-player10:28
plovs_workanybody got nfs working? i run portmap on 127.. and 192... , i have hosts.allow portmap:192.168. what else?10:29
witigonenelwood, thanks.  What about fglrx, any ideas?10:29
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|trey|elwood: http://muine.gooeylinux.org/10:30
elwoodwitigonen,  maybe u have to edit your XF86cfg...10:30
Gmailwant to help me?10:30
elwood|trey|,  :)10:30
elwoodGmail, depends10:30
Gmailanyone know where i can find the driver to put on floppy and howto put it onto the floppy???10:30
witigonenelwood, I followed the instructions in the howto, are there more edits that I need to make?10:30
TheMusoGmail: what driver?10:31
crimsunGmail: when during the Ubuntu install does it fail?10:31
TheMusoSorry didn't see your earlier calls for assistance.10:31
Gmaili dont know what driver i need10:31
elwoodwitigonen, i have no idea..with ati but if you follow the wiki..maybe it's all ok10:31
Gmailbut other distros (debian) seem to detech it :)10:31
TheMusoGmail: What is not working?10:31
elwoodGmail, driver ? what u need to do?10:31
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Gmailwhen i get to "mount cd drive"10:34
Gmailit give me the error driver not fund10:34
Gmailand for me to manuly chose it10:34
elwoodcd drive?10:34
TheMusoGmail: Which CD are you installing from? The final release?10:34
crimsunare you booting from the cd-rom, Gmail?10:34
Gmaili went throu the whole list and non work10:34
crimsunGmail: using the final ubuntu installer?10:34
crimsunyou shouldn't have to choose anything10:35
elwoodlol i have never seen ubuntu installer..i come to ubuntu by different road10:35
witigonenHow strange... hte XF86Config file has no mention of mesa, is set up to have fglrx.10:35
izGmail and in your bios is the cd the one to install?10:35
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GmailIT boots up to the cd10:35
Gmaili get INTO the installer10:36
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torporyo.. ubuntu roxit.  just installing it now on my tiBook.  Super cool!!! 10:36
elwoodwitigonen, the first timei used to play tuxracers :)10:36
elwoodtorpor,  tibook?10:36
torporpowerbook G410:36
Gmailwhen i get up to the step of mounting the cd drive then i get up to the step MOUNTING THE CD DRIVE10:37
elwoodibook so :)10:37
torporreally nice to have a dual-boot OSX/Linux system on my laptop.  man, what nirvana.10:37
witigonenThere's this note here, requires linux-restricted modules >=, I'm using the install that just came out today, is that a problem?10:37
Gmailits a pata one10:37
Gmail*the cd drive10:37
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pepsi_why doesnt evolution think anything is junk mail?10:37
elwoodwitigonen,  the linux -restricted modules and the kernel have the same version^? 10:37
Gmailand there is no driver for it in the cd10:37
torporelwood: tibook stands for "Titanium Powerbook" .. the first model powerbook G4's were called this, before they switched to those gay-ass aluminum cases.10:37
Gmailbut debian had it on its installer10:38
bronsonIs there any reason ubuntu's kernel source provides "linux-source" rather than "kernel-source"?10:38
crimsunlinux-source makes much more sense10:38
Treenakspepsi_: you have to teach it10:38
witigonenelwood, uname -r reports (is that correct?  I'm using an Athlon XP 3000+)10:38
crimsunthere were entire threads dedicated to it on debian-devel earlier in the year10:38
elwoodtorpor, good! i think i will buy an ebook on spring..these is hope to have it with g5?10:38
bronsonIt's no big deal, but it does make apt-get install kernel-package complain.10:38
pepsi_Treenaks, i have been.. ive been telling it what's junk10:38
torporcrimsun: does it though?  i would think 'kernel-source' makes more sense, since 'linux' is generally considered the 'whole distrosystem'10:39
Treenakspepsi_: you should feed it about 200 messages of junk10:39
stvni thought evolution could do some trick together with spamassassin10:39
elwood2.6.9 is out 10:39
torporeven though i know that linux is just a kernel, plus the GNU tools (+Whatever) .. i still think its better to name the kernel sources "kernel-source"...10:39
bronsonI shan't re-open any lengthly discussions on this one.10:39
pepsi_Treenaks, does it forget what i taught it if i delete my junk mail?10:39
Treenakspepsi_: I don't think so10:40
Gmailany one know where the hell to find the driver for a pata cd driver10:40
elwoodwitigonen,  and linux-restricc ecc ecc?10:40
bronsonlinux-source, kernel-source, either one's fine with me.10:40
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witigonenelwood, I don't know how to check that.10:40
TreenaksGmail: you don't need a driver, it'll just work10:40
bronsonI'm just wondering why it was changed.  And why kernel-package dependencies weren't updated to match.10:40
TreenaksGmail: pata CDs are the 'standard'...10:40
elwoodwitigonen,  apt-cache show nameofdeb10:41
GmailTreenaks: well it doesnt10:41
TreenaksGmail: have you read the output from dmesg?10:41
Gmailit goes into the installer and after lang selection and all that 10:41
TreenaksGmail: is the drive connected properly?10:41
Gmailit says it cant mount it10:42
Gmailit works in debian10:42
witigonenelwood: Um.. linux-restricted is the name of the deb?  Nothing. 10:42
torporwoohoo!! it boots!  WHAT A ROCKING LINUX DISTRO!!! :)10:42
TreenaksGmail: do Alt+F3 when you get an installer error10:42
TreenaksGmail: that should give you details10:42
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TreenaksGladiak: maybe the disc is just broken10:42
elwoodwitigonen, try with the name of the pack10:43
Ubuntuhmm who registerd this nick?10:43
witigonenelwood, sorry, but what's the name of the package?10:43
xskoulaxwoohoo i not longer need to type Ubuntu in its entirery ;)10:43
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elwoodwitigonen, it isn't in the wiki?10:43
crimsuntorpor: read the threads: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/11/msg00398.html10:43
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Ubuntu-Linuxok rebooting10:44
witigonenelwood, no, they just say, 'Note: requires linux-restried modules >=" and then the instructions which I followed to the t.  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto for reference.10:44
witigonenelwood, linux-686 is the proper one for my system, right?10:45
elwoodwitigonen,  i am using a kernel of mine..10:46
witigonenelwood, does fglrx need to be placed in the modules loaded with X when it boots?  I've noticed glx but no fglrx in the list.10:47
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witigonenAlso, elwood, should I remove the mesa packages?10:47
elwoodsorry i have no idea ..i am not pratic of ati 10:47
witigonenHm.  Anybody have any idea?10:48
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Gmailok i get the error:10:49
elwoodwitigonen, no..don't remove!10:49
GmailNo Common Cd driver deteched10:49
Gmailnothing abnormal in tty310:49
torporWow, I really am stoked.  This is really impressive guys.  UBUNTU on my Powerbook ... really rockin' !!!!!10:49
Gmailaka alt + F310:49
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mrjivetorpor: :)10:50
Gladiakbye bye boys10:50
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mrjivetorpor: it's the same for the installation on my girlfriend's powerbook :))10:50
witigonenelwood, gotcha.10:50
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torpori just can't get over it.10:50
torporeven frickin' Airport works, and was smooth as hell to set up, WEP and all.10:51
Juerd_Summary: two new bugs and two "me too"s.10:51
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Ubuntu-Linuxok who was helping me before i rebooted to try the installtion cd?????????????????????????10:51
Juerd_torpor: You appear to be more lucky than I :)10:51
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torpornow i just gotta try and Grok the Debian Way ...10:51
Juerd_torpor: The Debian way is mostly "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" :)10:51
torpor(I'm a tarball-install kinda guy, I don't mind running autogen.sh by hand...)10:51
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torpori know nothing about apt-get yet.10:52
witigonenSee, here's what I don't get, I'm supposed to make sure that I have a certain version of linux-restricted modules but they aren't showing up on apt or apt-cache or... anything.10:52
togsIf I install drupal as a package from universe, what do I type in firefox to access it?10:52
Ubuntu-Linuxok who was helping me before i rebooted to try the installtion cd???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????10:52
torporJuerd_: you trying to install on a Powerbook?10:52
Juerd_torpor: No, an intel box10:52
dynUbuntu-Linux: can i ask you to stop behaving that childish?10:53
Juerd_torpor: Here's the apt-get quick introduction: "apt-cache search foo" searches for foo10:53
Juerd_torpor: "apt-get install foo" installs foo, "apt-get update" updates the local package lists10:53
elwoodwitigonen,  it works?10:53
Ubuntu-Linuxdyn: i am asking who was helping me 5min ago10:53
Krypt0napt-get install moo10:53
witigonenelwood, No.  10:53
dynUbuntu-Linux: most ppl would be happy to help you but please don't disturb others, keep it clean, smart, short and friendly10:53
torporJuerd_: cool, similar to emerge then.10:53
crimsun(it's actually `apt-get moo')10:53
dynUbuntu-Linux: and i dont know who helped you, sorry :( 10:54
Juerd_torpor: "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrades the entire distribution, "dpkg -S foo" searches for the installed package that contains the file foo10:54
torpormuch easier than CRUX.10:54
oferw555where I can find information about how to trnalsate ubunau?10:54
Ubuntu-Linuxqho was here 5min ago10:54
Juerd_"dpkg -L foo" gives a list of files in the installed foo package10:54
Ubuntu-Linuxwho was here 5min ago10:54
pepsi_just ask your question10:54
torporso i've just installed Warty - do i need to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' now, or am i pretty much current?10:55
togsCan I ask mine again? :)10:55
Ubuntu-Linuxwho was can you pm me a log10:55
Juerd_"dpkg -i foo.deb" manually installs a .deb package, "dpkg --force-all -i" is the easiest way to destroy your otherwise perfectly functioning system, so never do a --force-all.10:55
dynUbuntu-Linux: i think you (as Gmail) talked to Treenaks though10:55
Juerd_torpor: It doesn't hurt to try.10:55
dynbut he might be busy/away/etc at the moment10:55
Juerd_torpor: update before you upgrade. update updates the package database10:55
Ubuntu-Linuxelwood: you where here mind giving me a log from 10min to now?10:55
torporwhat are some cool apps that i should install now?10:56
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: here?10:56
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: hm?10:56
elwoodubuntu i am not logging :)10:57
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elwoodtorpor,  cool for?10:57
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: <Gmail> ok i get the error:10:57
Ubuntu-Linux<elwood> witigonen, no..don't remove!10:57
Ubuntu-Linux<Gmail> No Common Cd driver deteched10:57
Ubuntu-Linux<Gmail> nothing abnormal in tty310:57
Ubuntu-Linux<Gmail> aka alt + F310:57
crimsuntorpor: no new updates have been installed.10:57
elwoodtorpor,  now u can start with wardriveng10:57
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: strange.. don't know then10:57
Ubuntu-Linuxi got the normal loading driver stuff in tty310:58
dynUbuntu-Linux: please dont paste 3+ lines to a channel either. there aren't many common rules of ircing, but you should try to keep those in mind :)10:58
witigonenAnybody know anything about fglrx/ATI cards in ubuntu?10:58
Ubuntu-Linuxdyn: NORMAl channel's allow 5-710:58
Ubuntu-Linuxi never herd 3 in my life10:58
togsI am having trouble with the current Samba package. I did a clean install of Ubuntu, and let it update. When I went to install Samba, it gave me errors about symlinks, but it appears to work fine. Anybody else having similar issues?10:58
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: most channels I know don't allow pasting at all10:59
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: should i google for the driver?10:59
dynUbuntu-Linux: i might have been ircing at abnormal places for 8 years then :-)10:59
Ubuntu-Linuxwell #debian #gentoo #freenode #mandrake #fedora #flexcp .... all allow at lest 5 lines11:00
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: what kind of ATA controller and CD drive do you have?11:00
elwood8 years...still u have a real life?11:00
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danielsdpkg -l libxproto-xf86dga11:00
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: i dont know i hardly used it11:00
Treenakselwood: real.. life?? where do I download that? do you have a .torrent?11:00
daniels(wrong window)11:00
elwoodi am about third year11:00
dynhaha Treenaks :)11:01
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crimsunUbuntu-Linux: let's try to stay on-topic. Try #flood for pastes >=4 lines, thanks. :)11:01
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: the CD drive name should be on it.. readable11:01
togsSamba bug number is 2492, if anybody's interested11:01
dynelwood: i've got on ircing when i started the university11:01
elwoodTreenaks,  good :)11:01
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dynelwood: and slowly you learn complete multitask scheduling between your daily tasks and irc :P)11:01
elwooddyn, i have met my actual girlfriend on irc.. :P11:02
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: i am forced to use mandrake on this sytem as it was the ONLY installtion cd i had after my hdd went DIED11:02
dynelwood: hah and you ask that? =)11:02
togsIf I install the drupal CMS as a package from universe, how do I access it?11:02
Ubuntu-Linuxand manbrake doesnt have modconf11:02
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: you don't need it! it should be detected automatically11:02
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: if it isn't, file a bug11:02
Ubuntu-Linuxso i cant see what module it uses11:02
elwoodi wan't serious :)11:03
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: it isnt and i want to install NOW! i hate manbrake11:03
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: an aphla d-i deteched it11:03
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: Then you'll have to tell me the make/model of your CD drive, and the way it's connected to your ATA chip11:03
Ubuntu-Linuxand it was a sid nightly11:03
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: and what kind of chip it is11:04
crimsuntogs: more than likely how you would access it in debian sarge/sid11:04
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Ubuntu-Linuxok ide 3 slave i think11:04
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: ide3? that's a lot11:04
Ubuntu-Linuxits a lite-on11:04
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: is it connected to a PATA controller, or to a SATA controller using a convertor?11:04
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: yea the sata is 1 and 2 on my bois for some reson11:04
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: ok.. so it's a sata/pata thing11:05
Ubuntu-Linuxany reason debian detech other distro do but ubuntu doesnt11:05
dynUbuntu-Linux: `lspci -v  | grep -i A1 ide` could also help finding out what you got11:05
togscrimsun, I don't follow :)11:06
dyngrep -iA1 ofc11:06
elwoodentropy of os11:06
Ubuntu-Linuxgrep: ide: No such file or directory11:06
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dynlspci -v  | grep -iA1 ide11:06
dyni made a typo11:06
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Ubuntu-Linux00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP] )11:07
Ubuntu-Linux        Subsystem: Asustek Computer, Inc.: Unknown device 80a611:07
Ubuntu-Linux2 lines :)11:07
dynlol :)11:07
dynthat smells like pretty standard stuff11:07
Ubuntu-Linuxlite-on is very comon on white boxes in australia11:08
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sivangUbuntu-Linux : they are pretty nice quality thingies.11:09
sivangUbuntu-Linux : I had much trouble with LG, got a liteon as a replacement - works swell :)11:09
Ubuntu-Linuxok how do i install off my hdd?11:10
dyni had an LG cdrom too.. i could repeatedly made my gentoo totally hang with it11:10
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dyn'd got rid of it asap11:10
dynactually i traded that cdrom drive with a windowzer friend (yeah i got some ;) to that matrox card :)11:10
Ubuntu-Linuxso there are such things as win-burners :)11:11
sivangbtw, has anyone had success installing the release on a machine with Adaptec AIC-7899 SCSI UltraWide 2 controller?11:11
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Ubuntu-LinuxEEEK win-friend11:11
dynsivang: Adaptec AIC-7899P U160/m (rev 01) here in a box, running debian woody11:12
togscan you get OEM hardware? maybe that's it11:12
dynwith a -ck kernel, so stock scsi kernel drivers11:12
sivangdyn : Isn't that an amazing controller? Do you know where I can get cheap disks (LVD) for it?11:12
_Hiro_how can I add the i2o drivers to the initrd? when I use mkinitrd it complains about /dev/i2o/hda3 not being a valid block device11:12
_Hiro_and it doesn't seem to make a cramfs :/11:13
dynsivang: huh no idea really.. even if i had, you woudn't be too happy with hungarian addresses ;)11:13
sivangdyn : you're from hungary?  why wouldn't I be happy with them? My mom speak *fluent* hungerian.11:13
sivangdyn : :)11:13
dynwoot :)11:14
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Ubuntu-Linux"fluent: ?11:14
sivangdyn : because of my .il origin ?11:14
dynshame on me :( .il is for ..?11:14
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Ubuntu-Linuxyes xskoulax11:15
xskoulaxwoot :)11:15
Ubuntu-Linuxil = ilrael11:15
dynsivang: and you know some words too? or speak no .hu at all?11:15
bitserfi'm wondering if there's the off chance that someone here was playing with kernel cryptoloop support about a year ago on an oldish 2.6 kernel...any chances of getting rc5 support in the newer kernels? trying to retrieve my GPG off an encrypted filesystem :P11:15
sivangdyn : not at all :( , however I do speak few words in romanian, yeddish :)11:15
dynok :)11:16
bitserf*GPG key11:16
elwoodsivang, i am study arab at univ and next year i will start with ebraic :)11:16
sivangelwood : oh, arab is so call. Howeer it tends to get very complicated and tough if you're trying to speak litrerature arabic11:17
sivangcall = cool11:17
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elwoodsivang, i am on 3 year with arab,but ebraic seems to be more intereseting 11:18
sivangelwood : well, as it was a basis for many more late semmisic languages, it does contain all the broad range of stuff that's been cut down on those derivatives :)11:19
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dynhow nice11:20
xskoulaxyou can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time ;)11:21
lupus_how can I see from which package pmount is part?11:21
crimsundpkg -S pmount11:21
Ubuntu-Linuxok how do i get what driver my cd drive uses and put it on floppy to stop the error?11:22
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bronsonI've created a "Compiling a kernel the Ubuntu way" page on the wiki.11:26
bronsonYou guys mind giving it a look and telling me any issues?11:26
dynchecking it11:27
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Pizbitbronson: One question, why the # in front of all the command?:)11:27
bronsonSays you should be root.11:27
dynsign of root prompt11:27
bronsonI should probably put a note in there about fakeroot.11:28
dyn(though you could mention using sudo -s first to get a root prompt)11:28
bronsondyn: good point.11:28
PizbitHeh, how're they supposed to know that's what they mean?11:28
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dynand i would rather popularize using `uname -a` to check the kernel version but it's the very same thing11:28
crimsuni would use sudo instead of root11:29
Ubuntu-Linuxbrb later11:29
crimsunthat follows the Ubuntu philosophy more closely11:29
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bronsondyn: cat /proc/version shows more info.11:29
PizbitAll you need is the version number though?11:30
dynbronson: what about the boot manager? the kernel image deb installs the image correctly with the boot manager?11:30
bronsonI should hope so!11:30
crimsunbronson: also, you only need to sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-image11:30
dyn(i've always only compiled kernels by hand)11:30
bronsonI'll tell you in 1/2 hour when this compile is done...11:30
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bronsonThe Debian instructions said bin86 too.  Is that outdated?11:31
dyni dont think it's outdated, but should be included in build-essential11:31
dynyou still need asm stuff for a kernel luckily :)11:31
bronsondyn: it's not included in build-essential.11:32
dynit aint?11:32
dynkeep it then in your doco11:32
bronsonPretty sure no.   At least I don't see the dependency.11:32
crimsunno, it's not11:33
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Tufekhi everyone11:33
bronsoncrimsun: should I still recommend installing libncurses-dev?11:34
Tufeki have a question..I use dial-up internet ,pcimodem ,is it work fine ubuntu linux or no?11:34
bronsonOr, if someone's making menuconfig, they'll already know to do thiat...11:34
TreenaksTufek: which kind f pci modem11:34
crimsunbronson: i would mention it, yes.11:34
TreenaksTufek: have you looked at the 'supported hardware' list?11:34
togswhat other distros were people using before moving to Ubuntu? If I can ask :)11:34
dynbronson: it's not trivial for non-debian users11:34
dyntogs: debian, gentoo11:35
crimsuntogs: i still use quite a few11:35
dyntogs: and slack, redhat and freebsd for a few weeks each11:35
bronsondyn: It's not trivial even for Debian users!11:35
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bronsonAt least, I've been using Debian for years, but this is new to me...11:35
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croftyhi , how do i know that my order for a version of ubuntu on cd has been aceepted?11:36
gelflingtogs: i'm still noob, but i played with in order redhat, mandrake, libranet, slack, debian n gentoo11:36
dynbronson: you didn't compile too many kernels then, did you :) (no problems with that anyway)11:37
bronsondyn: I compiled a ton.  Just not with make-kpkg.11:37
dynbronson: you used make config instead?11:37
bronsonmake bzlilo.11:37
dyni've never used make-kpkg either11:37
torpordamn... whats my root password?  Does ubuntu ask me to enter one when i do an install?  I can't remember if it did or not .. and the password i thought it was, isn't working ...11:37
dynbronson: i mean for the config11:37
bronsonOh, yeah.  make menuconfig.11:38
Treenakstorpor: read the FAQ -- ubuntu uses sudo for everything11:38
gelflingtorpor: nope u use sudo11:38
Treenakstorpor: (because of security)11:38
torporwaaa?  i can't login as root?11:38
bronsonThe new Qt config is nice, but menuconfig is just so much snappier.11:38
crimsuntorpor: no. use sudo.11:38
torporso what does this mean - i have to use my own password to sudo?11:38
crimsunsudo <some action that would require root privs>11:38
Treenakstorpor: why would you want to login as root?11:38
torporTreenaks: so i can do root things without having to use sudo all the damn time.11:39
dynofc nothing keeps you putting back the root to its powers :) just make sure you know what and why you're doing :)11:39
torpori'm a Unix pro.  i don't need no sudo!11:39
Treenakstorpor: Read. The. FAQ.11:39
=== dyn thinks a unix pro ultimately knows why's sudo better ;)
crimsunsavvy adminstrators know that elevated privileges are -bad-11:39
Treenakstorpor: sudo also gives an audit trail..11:39
torpordyn: sudo is for gimps.11:39
dyntorpor: rotfl.. are you coming from AIX or wot? :)11:40
bronsontorpor: the good answer is in the wiki.  The frustrating answer is in the faq.11:40
torporand i don't mean that Acorn crap, I mean MIPS.11:40
dynwhy you want linux then? ;)11:40
torporfor my powerbook, duh.11:41
bronsontorpor: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo11:41
TufekTreenaks, sorry i didnt find supported hardware' list ,do u know exackt adres?11:41
torporbronson: thanks, there already11:41
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tuo2torpor: sudo -s11:41
Treenakstorpor: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/11:41
bronsonYou Ubuntu guys really should link to that page from the main site, especially "Benefits of this model"11:41
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MacPlusG3torpor: AIX is IBM's unix that runs on their POWER cpus11:42
torpori know what AIX is, MacPlusG3 .. 11:42
sabdflmorning all11:42
tuo2torpor: what's wrong with sudo -s?11:42
MacPlusG3torpor: maybe i was just confused by the Acorn and MIPS mentions :)11:42
bronsonIt's seriously frustrating otherwise.11:42
tuo2morning sabdfl 11:42
torportuo2: when i've got 15 things to do as root, i don't wanna sudo -s.  i want my own root ENV, etc.11:43
tuo2torpor: sudo -s; then source your root.bashrc11:43
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sabdfltorpor: sudo bash11:43
torporthis model is fine for linux gimps.11:43
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elwoodrebooting for 2.6.911:43
dyntorpor: if you feel too elite for the environment, what are you doing here? :-)11:44
dyntorpor: get openbsd and push it on your powerbook11:44
sabdflhey everybody's welcome, even the l33t11:44
torpordyn: damnit, did i say i was too elite for the environment?  no.  if you think that i'm too elite for this environment, you should stop acting like a coffeeshop psychologist.11:44
sabdflchill guys11:44
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torpori'm not leet.11:44
dynok, great then11:45
torpori just don't like sudo.  whatever.  now i've read the wiki, turned on my root account, i'm happy.  see:  :)11:45
Treenakstorpor: no, but you can set a root password if you like. just consider using sudo11:45
tuo2which is fairy nuff.11:45
Treenakstorpor: so shut up11:45
tuo2he's already done that by the sounds of things, Treenaks 11:45
torporTreenaks: you shut up.11:45
tuo2don't be unneccessarily harsh, dude.11:45
torporits nice that the answer was so concise, and well described.11:45
torpori'm happy with ubuntu. 11:46
tuo2woo. :11:46
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dyn'happiness is free' ;)11:47
togsis there a good download manager for linux at all?11:47
pisuketogs, http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/11:48
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torpordamn, if only human circile of friends didn't have that dude in it.11:49
torpori find that offensive.11:49
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Treenakstorpor: gimp him out 8)11:49
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torpormaybe i could just put boobs on him.11:49
torpori'm terrible with gimps' alpha channel.11:50
togsthanks, pisuke11:50
torporso this mark shuttleworth guy .. been to space, has he?11:51
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tuo2torpor: ask him.11:51
pisuketogs, in ubuntu apt-get install d4x11:51
tuo2he's around atm.11:52
torporwhats his nick?11:52
sabdfltorpor: yes, i have11:52
torporsabdfl: if you fart in space, does it hang around all day?11:52
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torpori would imagine that gravity is essential to good fart control.11:52
sabdflin the soyuz, which is really small, yes11:52
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torpor3 days in the soyuz, right?  or is it 2?11:53
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torporpisuke: apt-get install d4x doesn't work on my new ubuntu system, alas...11:54
cardadortorpor: i just did it now...11:54
torpori'm a newbie to apt-get.. i just did 'sudo apt-get install d4x' and it told me it can't find package d4x...11:54
alakdanhi, where can I find the ubuntu package for java?11:54
cardadortorpor: have you enabled universe rep?11:54
pisuketorpor, enable the universe repository11:55
torporcardador: nope.  don't have the foggiest what that is.  i just finishe dinstalling ubuntu on my powerbook.11:55
mathjazztorpor: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list11:55
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torporn/m, i can read the comments.11:55
cardadortorpor: just edit sources.list and uncoment the line that has universe11:55
cardadorthen apt-get update11:56
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torporyeah, just saw that.11:56
dkgwith what can I mix? unstable or testing?11:56
torporsabdfl: so, do you think you'll go to space again?11:56
bronsonOK, I hope I added all the changes.11:56
bronsonI need to head to bed.11:56
bronsonFeel free to make changes.  I'll write that last section when the compile finishes tomorrow morning...11:56
torporis there a mac-on-linux package for ubuntu, anyone know?  i'd like to try and get that working now that i've got ubuntu settled on my powerbook ...11:57
torporand .. what does "Allow configuration from the login screen" mean in the "Login Screen Setup" panel, "Security" tab?11:58
bronsontorpor: basilisk11:58
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bronsontorpor: or pearpc if you want OSX.11:59
torpori thought that there was a way i can run my OSX install 'within' Linux, though?  Mac-On-Linux, isn't it called?11:59
alakdananybody got any idea where I could download jdk for ubuntu?12:00
atariboywhat is the default root password for Ubuntu?12:00
Pizbitatariboy: Read the wiki/faq on sudo12:01
atariboyk. ta12:01
pisukealakdan, get it from java.sun.com12:01
Netminderalakdan: there are directions on how to install on the wiki12:01
torporatariboy: use sudo.  its far superior.12:01
jacobHmm. "sudo cdrecord -scanbus" gives me crap...12:02
Treenaksjacob: use sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/yourcdromplayer12:02
alakdanNetminder: ok thanks :)12:02
atariboyI don't know the password though. i pressed enter twice accidentaly and didn't see what it said during install12:02
torporyou mean you don't know your own password?12:02
Treenaksatariboy: your own password..12:02
Treenaksatariboy: there is no root pw12:02
jacobTreenaks, ok, but shouldnt "-scanbus" still give some sort of reasonable output12:02
atariboyhmm. i know mine.. didn't seem to work.12:03
Treenaksjacob: no, it's broken :(12:03
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Netminderalakdan: go for the quick install route, it worked fine for m12:03
jacobTreenaks, ok, thanks, gonna burn WW then12:03
alakdanNetminder: the method 4?12:03
sabdfltorpor: i hope to12:03
alakdanNetminder: oh, the 'quick install' route. found it. thanks12:04
alakdanhmm, whats the multiverse?12:05
torporalakdan: the sum total of all of our universes, described by god?12:05
Netminderalakdan: "universe" in the /sources.list file in /etc/apt is the default setting, I believe that multiverse includes a bit more, including some non-free stuff12:06
alakdanNetminder: so ill just append multiverse in one of my entry in sources.list?12:06
torpori don't see mac on linux in the universe .. is there 'another' universe?  12:06
Treenakstry multiverse12:07
Netminderalakdan: yeah then apt-get update and do the quick install from there12:08
Netminderor sudo apt-get update ven12:08
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CraHanso I tried this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/12:08
atariboyweird... sudo wont accept my user password12:08
CraHanbut as was to be expected12:08
atariboybut i can log in with that same pass12:08
CraHanafter installing all the packages NetworkManagerInfo fails to start12:08
CraHangives me an error about "not allowed to own the service"12:09
torporso i can just install deb packages on ubuntu now, right?  i'm really a newbie to debian, i've ignored it for years.12:10
atariboytorpor:  yep. apt-get works :)12:11
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torpori'm trying to get mac-on-linux on my machine, thats all ..12:12
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torporoh dear.  this is really confusing.  how do i get my kernel sources installed?12:16
alakdanjust wondering, how do I apply security updates after doing apt-get update? and is there a way to query the packages that needs updating?12:16
Treenakstorpor: apt-get install linux-source-2.612:17
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torporso this will give me a normal /usr/src/linux tree?  12:18
torporis there a package i can select that'll turn the system into a full developer suite?  i.e. so i don't have to hand-pick all the 'normal dev tools' packages?12:19
torpordoh.  never mind.  i'm reading the FAQ.12:19
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mrjiveis it okto burn an iso image through nautilus-cd-burner? will it be bootable? i.e. does nautilus recognise it is an iso image and not simply a file?12:22
CraHanso does anyone have any ideas how to tell nautilus-cd-burner to use /dev/sg0 and not /dev/sr0 to burn a cd using cdrecord?12:22
CraHanwhen I use cdrecord with /dev/sg0 on the commandline it works fine12:22
CraHanbut nautilus-cd-burner keeps trying to use /dev/sr012:22
dynCraHan: symlink it? :)12:23
CraHandyn: can't both devices are valid12:23
CraHan/dev/sr0 is the one I need to use to automount the cdrom12:24
CraHan/dev/sg0 is the one I need to burn to it12:24
atariboyHow can i get into a text mode console. Preferably before Ubuntu boots X11/gnome12:24
CraHanstrange I know, but I can't get it to automount using /dev/sg012:24
dynatariboy: pass 'single' on the kernel command line12:24
dyni'm not that familiar with ubuntu so far but that should boot you into runlevel 1 (single mode), where you can do your work and pass towards multiuser runlevels12:25
CraHanyeah when grub starts go into the menu12:25
mrjiveatariboy: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/K99gdm12:25
CraHango to the line you want to edit12:25
CraHantype E12:25
CraHantop line you see type E again12:25
CraHanappend single12:25
CraHanpress enter12:25
CraHanand b12:25
CraHanand it'll boot into single user mode12:26
CraHanthe other way is to start and then when gdm is up, press ctrl+alt+f112:26
CraHannot the same thing of course12:26
CraHanbut it'll drop you into a console in either case :)12:26
CraHanmrjive's idea is even better :)12:27
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atariboysounds easier too :) how would i return from doing the mv command to booting x11 by default again?12:28
mrjivedyn: using a "single" mode is very different than using a non graphical start ;)12:28
mrjiveatariboy: the invers... rename K99gd into S99gdm12:28
mrjivewhen the system starts in runlevel 2 every script starting with S is started, while those starting with K are killed12:29
CraHanI personally move S99blabla to s99blabla12:31
CraHansince the service wouldn't be running, there wouldn't be a need to kill it12:31
CraHanbut either way works12:31
torporwhat about just using 'telinit 3'?  this won't work?12:31
torporor 'telinit 2'?12:31
mrjiveCraHan: it does not work, for example, switching from runlevel 2 to runlevel 1 .. or other12:31
mrjiveit is more correct to use K12:31
CraHanmrjive: ah yes indeed12:32
CraHanok so I hook up the burner, turn it on and syslog reports that sr0 and sg0 are created by udev12:33
CraHanall fine12:33
dyntorpor: telinit?12:33
CraHanstrangely enough, gnome won't automount when I add a sg0 line to fstab12:33
CraHanbut does automount when I use sr012:33
dyntorpor: init X would boost you into runlevel X, that's fine, but what's telinit? :)12:33
torportelinit tells init to go to the runlevel you want.12:34
torporso, for single-user 'text-mode', you'd use 'telinit 2' .. i think.  i haven't looked at inittab.12:34
dyntorpor: so what's the difference between `telinit 2` and `init 2`12:34
mrjivetorpor: right, but single user and text mode are not the same.. :)12:34
torportelinit 1.12:35
torporwell, on a properly-configured inittab, there is a run-level for 'text-mode only, no GUI'.12:35
torporcheck /etc/inittab.12:35
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torpordyn: telinit can be used to more gracefully change init states .. with a timeout, etc.12:36
dynok, ic12:36
mrjivewhat a bout my nautilus-cd-burner question? anyone knows?12:36
torporon some systems, there is a run-level for 'text only, no GUI'.  in fact, there's 2 or 3 of these kinds of 'sub-run levels'.12:36
torpori forget how its set up.. check inittab.12:36
dynit's distribution-dependent, and inittab describes it, correct12:37
torporwhat i want to know is, why does 'apt-get install linux-sources-2.6' not create /usr/src/linux?  it only seems to put the .bz2 in /usr/src .. am i expected to set up the symlinks and unpack the tarball myself?12:37
deFrysktorpor, I guess so12:37
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Pizbittorpor: What if there is already a symlink?:)12:38
torporthere isn't, though.12:38
torporthere's no /lib/modules/, either.12:38
torpori just want to make sure that, by doing things by hand, i'm not screwing up with something that apt-get could do for me already ...12:39
rancorashas anyone ever noticed that aisleriot doesn't resize very well, and cards are impossible to pick up if they run off the bottom of the window?12:39
PizbitAlso downloading can take ages, a sudden unpacking at the end would annoy some people:)12:39
mrjivetorpor: no, apt-get won't do it for you12:39
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torpormrjive: so i have to make /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build as well, right?12:39
mrjivewhen the kernel is compiled in the debian-way, and it becomes a deb package, you install it12:40
mrjiveand then /lib/modules... is created12:40
mrjivetorpor: don't know if you do not use the debian way12:41
torpori'm only trying to do things the 'ubuntu' way.  12:41
torpori need full linux source and headers, and i wouldn't mind being able to produce my own kernel and modules, either.  is there a package that will set all that up for me, or do i have to install the source by hand, then the headers, etc?12:41
crimsunto build external modules, you generally just need the headers12:42
crimsunlinux-headers-`uname -r`12:42
darkersatanicThere's a package with the headers in it.12:42
darkersatanicAs the man says. :)12:42
darkersatanicIf you want to build kernel+modules packages from a full kernel source, then there's the "kernel-package" package, 12:43
darkersatanicwhich gives you the make-kpkg command.12:43
torporvery confused.12:44
darkersatanicThat doesn't do any unpacking of kernel sources, though.12:44
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darkersatanicPersonally, I just download a tarball from kernel.org,12:44
CraHanI think I've found some more details about the cdburner problem in nautilus12:44
darkersatanicunpack it in /usr/local/src12:44
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torporisn't there some way to get the /usr/src/linux tree set up to build the kernel that ubuntu is running, though?  that sorta sucks, if not.12:44
_Hiro_anybody know how to create an initrd image for ubuntu?12:44
CraHanwhen I connect the dvd burner udev created the character device /dev/sg0 and the block device /dev/sr012:44
crimsun_Hiro_: man mkinitrd12:45
_Hiro_did that, doesn't work12:45
darkersatanictorpor: I'm not sure. I very rarely use distribution kernels. Sorry.12:45
deFrysk_Hiro_, with make install ?12:45
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CraHannow cdrecord needs the character device when writing to the burner, but nautilus-cd-burner keeps sending it the block device as a parameter12:45
crimsuntorpor: sure, that's very simple; just use kernel-package.12:45
torporokay, so apt-get install kernel-package will give me a proper /usr/src/linux tree, and all i need to be able to compile modules?  12:45
CraHanis there any way of telling nautilus-cd-burner to send cdrecord the character device and not the block device?12:45
darkersataniccrimsun: I think the problem is getting hold of and unpacking the relevant patched kernel sources.12:45
darkersataniccrimsun: As in: "how do you do it The Ubuntu Way?"12:45
_Hiro_it makes a cramfs initrd, the contents seem fine but on boot it just fails on finding any module :/12:45
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darkersatanictorpor: No, kernel-package is the tool to build kernel packages.12:46
_Hiro_do I need to do anything special?12:46
darkersatanictorpor: There should be a kernel-source-x.y.z package with the sources in.12:46
deFryskdid you do make && make modules_install12:46
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crimsun_Hiro_: did you patch with the cramfs patch first?12:46
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_Hiro_I didn't make a custom kernel12:47
torpori've installed that, but all i get is .bz2 tarball in /usr/src.  no /usr/src/linux, no /usr/src/linux-, and my MOL module complains about headers it can't find.12:47
deFrysk_Hiro_, i see12:47
crimsun_Hiro_: afaik that patch isn't in vanilla kernels12:47
crimsun'lo seb :)12:47
_Hiro_ubunutu has all the modules made already12:47
_Hiro_so I'm running mkinitrd on that12:47
_Hiro_that should work, no?12:47
bob2_Hiro_: why do you want to make a new initrd?12:48
darkersatanictorpor: Are you trying to build an out-of-tree module?12:48
_Hiro_to load i2o_* instead of dpt_i2o12:48
bob2is that really loaded from the initrd?12:48
torpordarkersatanic: i'm t rying to build the modules for Mac-On-Linux ... so i guess it is an out-of-tree module...12:48
_Hiro_else I couldn't boot :P12:48
espyriani know that airport extreme is not supported in ubuntu ppc...12:48
torporreally, i want my ubuntu setup to be a developer/kernel hacking machine, not just a user box.12:48
espyrian... so what optios are there for wireless on a powerbook?12:49
torporso if there are dev-packages that i can install that will set up the /usr/src tree as well as the necessary symlinks in /usr/include, that'd be nice.12:49
espyrian... eg third party cards etc12:49
torporespyrian: get a 'normal' 802.11 PCMCIA card, use it until Airport Extreme is supported?12:49
darkersatanictorpor: TBH, I'm not sure about what the requirements for building out-of-tree modules are. I've never done it much.12:50
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espyriantorpor: any recommendations d-link etc?12:50
_Hiro_if I just get the source for my current kernel and build a kernel from oldconfig, will that be much of a problem? With regards to nvidia and mad-wifi drivers for instance12:50
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darkersatanictorpor: I can only suggest building the base kernel with make-kpkg, installing the kernel-headers and kernel-image packages from that, and then building your extra modules.12:51
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darkersatanictorpor: That may not necessarily be the best, easiest or right way to do it, though. Apologies if it's bad advice.12:52
torporwhat is linux-tree- and whats the difference between it and linux-suorce-
torpori guess i'll install it and find out.12:53
torporespyrian: no suggestions, i don't know what works with ubuntu, but i'm sure you can check the FAQ.12:53
__danieltorpor, apt-cache show linux-tree-
__danieltorpor, and look at the dependencies12:53
_Hiro_oh is ubuntu going to 2.6.9 soon?12:53
_Hiro_2.6.8 really has xfs issues :(12:54
torporare there any ubuntu maintaners here?  i'd like to suggest that there be a pakage that populates the /usr/src tree with the currently running kernel sources, config and all ...12:54
torpor... if there isn't already, that is.12:54
mjg59_Hiro_: There's unlikely to be a change of kernel version before Hoary12:54
torporalso - completely unrelated - how come i can't switch windows with Alt-Tab?12:54
_Hiro_damn :/12:55
_Hiro_then I'll need to find out how to run 2.6.7 I guess12:55
_Hiro_last I checked that didn't had those restricted-modules12:55
torporjust don't use XFS.  i use ext3, its fine.12:55
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darkersatanictorpor: That's a bit unhelpful for someone who's got gigabytes (or terabytes) of data in XFS already.12:56
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torpordarkersatanic: oh.  n/m then.  :)12:57
darkersatanicI'm not saying that that's the case for _Hiro_, but it might well be. :)12:57
_Hiro_yeah :/12:58
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_Hiro_and I htink dpt_i2o isn't very stable on 2.6 :|12:58
_Hiro_hence why I wanted to try i2o12:58
crimsuntorpor: linux-source- -> untar in /usr/src12:59
crimsuntorpor: copy /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux-
crimsuntorpor: then run `make prepare' in /usr/src/linux-
torporcrimsun: okay.01:00
torporcrimsun: thats good advice.01:00
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torporcrimsun: is that in the FAQ somewhere?  if not, can it be?01:01
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crimsuntorpor: it can be. Feel free to add it.01:01
torpordamn, its still not working ...01:02
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torpor_crimsun: can i paste you a compile error message for the module i'm trying to compile?  maybe it'll give you a clue how i need to set up my kernel sources on this new ubuntu install?01:03
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Shuflahello :)01:04
crimsuntorpor_: sure, but #flood's my preferred mechanism01:05
mrjivetorpor: are you trying to compile the kernel, aren't you? why not install kernel-package and o it the simpliest way (debian.way) ?01:07
torpori'm trying to get full kernel sources installed on my system so that i can compile external modules.01:07
Bastis there going to be a kernel upgrade to 2.6.9 in the near future, or is it going to remain the same until hoary?01:07
mrjiveah ok01:07
torpori installed kernel-package, but that didn't give me /usr/src/linux-
mrjivetorpor: install the sources, they are in the /usr/src dir01:08
mrjiveunzip them and make yhe symlink01:08
torpormrjive: i did that, but it still doesn't make the symlinks that are needed01:08
mrjivels -l /usr/src/linux.whatever /usr/src/linu01:08
opi^workit's rather tar jxf ;-)01:08
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torporno, its bunzip2.01:08
torporso it is unzip01:09
mrjivetorpor: for me only /usr/src/linux are usually needed01:09
mrjivetorpor: tar xvfj is good too01:09
opi^worktorpor: why use bunzip?01:09
torpori installed linux-sources- and it put a .bz2 in /usr/src .. i've unbziped this and made the symlink, but i still can't compile modules.01:09
__danieltorpor: just use   tar xfj bla.tar.bz201:09
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mrjivetorpor: ok. what is the error?01:09
torporcrimsun: see #flood01:09
jkghmm. is there an easy way to get a list of which packages I've installed from main, which from restricted and which from universe? (actually, just how many would do)01:10
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mrjivetorpor: if you unzip than you have also to untar01:10
torpormrjive: i'm trying to install the Mac-On-Linux modules so that i can run OSX and Linux concurrently.  it requires the linux kernel sources to be installed and set up on the system.  i installed linux-sources-, unbzip'ed the file in /usr/src, made the symlink by hand.01:10
torporbunzip2 -c linux-sources- | tar xvf -  <=== good enough for you?01:10
mrjivetorpor: ok good. :)01:10
mrjivetorpor: what error do you get? then?01:11
torporthe problem is it still looks like my system doesn't have the headers/symlinks necessary to do compiles.01:11
torpormrjive: check #flood, i'll re-paste the errors i get when i try to compile the MOL module.01:11
Treenakstorpor: linux-headers ?01:11
mrjivetorpor: ok i'm joining #flood01:11
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jacobHow do I keep my newly installed Ubuntu-system up2date? Is it explained in some doc?01:19
oikHi all01:19
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mazehi oik01:20
oikwas wondering if anybody has seen this error when doing "apt-get update": Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages01:20
oik  416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable01:20
oikit used to work...01:20
__danieljacob, use synaptic for that01:20
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__danieloik, do you get that every time?01:21
oikdaniel: yes01:21
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Treenaksoik: did you break off an apt-get update once?01:21
skarhi all, i've just installed 4.1001:21
skarits looking great01:22
oikI'm on unreliable dialup so its entirely possible01:22
RamsedHi, is there some place (mailing-list,webpage) where the default choice of packages was (or still is) discussed ? (why both thunderbird and evolution, xmms instead of rhythmbox etc.) ?01:22
skarbtw,how do i change from xfree86 to xorg01:22
Treenaksoik: remove all files from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/01:22
Treenaksskar: wait for hoary 01:22
Treenaksskar: you don't _need_ xorg01:22
oiktreenaks: Ok will try it and let you know...01:22
skartreenaks:ok, at least how do i install nvidia drivers01:23
__danielskar, the next release will include xorg, the transition will take some time01:23
Treenaksskar: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto01:23
bob2jkg: apt-show-versions can do that01:24
mazeskar apt-cache search nvidia 01:24
mazeinstall the drivers01:25
Treenaksmaze: the binary driver howto is clearer01:25
Elw0od__daniel,  the next release is far away?01:25
jkgbob2: cool, thanks01:25
Elw0odskar, i compiled them from sources :)01:25
TreenaksElw0od: releases are done every 6 months01:25
Elw0odso i am safe01:25
Elw0odi have a 56k :)01:25
oiktreenaks: that seems to have fixed it, thanks.01:26
__danielElw0od, of course01:26
__danielElw0od, but i think you'll be able to upgrade to xorg via apt-get at some stage01:26
Treenaks__daniel: yes, that will be possible01:27
Elw0od__daniel, yes it's not a problem..it's a flat 56 k01:27
__danielElw0od, right01:27
TreenaksElw0od: you can still upgrade then... a bit slower though :)01:27
TreenaksElw0od: or ask someone to burn a new CD or something like that01:27
mazedid AIM just crash01:28
mazecan not access aim01:28
Elw0odyes but i will upgrade when xorg is on the archive01:28
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oikIs there any way to "rsync" to the package lists, instead of downloading several megs for each "apt-get update"01:31
oikit's painful on dialup01:31
mazewhy are there no ops?01:31
mazeis it just how the freenode ircd works?01:32
__danielmaze, i guess we don't need ops :-)01:32
mazecool =)01:32
__danieloik, i heard of some development towards that01:32
oikdaniel: is there any way I can help?01:32
mazemy apt-get update takes 30 seconds :p01:33
oikmaze: grrrr01:33
mazehehe just messing around 01:33
robtayloris there a nice way to upgrade by sarge +bits of sid install to ubuntu cleanly?01:34
oikmaze: it wouldn't be so bad if some of my neighbours didn't have broadband...01:34
oikbloody british telecom01:34
mazeno cable modems?01:34
mazethere has to be cable modems in the UK01:35
oikdialup or nothing for me01:35
robtaylormaze: theres only one, and they suck01:35
oiknot in my location01:35
mazedamn that seriously sucks01:35
mazewhat is the best connection out of the uk01:35
oikwell yes, if bloody BT will give it to you01:36
mazeWhat is the big deal?01:36
NoodlesThere are 2 cable modem providers in the UK, but they don't have full coverage and neither of them are in the same areas.01:36
mazeare we "the bloody americans" spoiled w/ broadband01:36
oikIn my location, we have fibre optic connections to the telephone exchange, so no DSL01:37
jindHow do I add the root account? I need it to install the Nvidia driver01:37
mazeuse sudo01:37
Treenaksjind: read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto01:37
jindsudo does bu the way not work01:37
mazesudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ? doesnt work?01:38
jindMaybe that works though01:38
Treenaksmaze: Please read the wiki!01:39
jindI have just tries to run sudo Nvidia installer01:39
Bastwhat's the "right" way to start/stop services in ubuntu?01:39
Treenaksmaze: it has a very clear explanation of nvidia driver isntallation01:39
mazei am repeating from the wiki01:39
TreenaksBast: sudo invoke-rc.d name stop01:39
mazewhy are you all over me01:39
mazeleave me alone01:39
Basttree: ah cheers, thanks01:39
torporokay, i got mac-on-linux working .. thanks for the help, crimsun and co.01:40
atariboywoot. Ubuntu is now running properly under VirtualPC :)01:42
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jindWhat version of gnome is provided by ubuntu linux?01:45
jindI can't find that information on the web pages01:45
oikjind: 2.801:45
jindI have hear that gnome 2.8 support a function like the one in mac osx that I can push a button and then every open program scales down to each corner of the screen, effiectely letting me get a overview over what is going on. Is this true?01:48
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Treenaksjind: expose, not yet01:48
Treenaksexpos even01:48
CraHangrah, guess I'll have to do without the dvd burner on ubuntu01:48
jindBut it'll come later on?01:48
TreenaksCraHan: what's the problem?01:48
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Treenaksjind: in the next version it might be01:49
Treenaks(like Yoda I sound..)01:49
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jindThat would be awsome01:49
CraHanTreenaks: when I hook up the usb dvd burner udev creates a block device and a character device /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg001:49
CraHanI can use cdrecord from the commandline like:01:49
CraHancdrecord --dev=/dev/sg0 or --dev=0,0,001:49
CraHanBUT... and here's the problem01:49
CraHanwhen I use nautilus-cd-burner, it insists on using /dev/sr001:50
CraHanwhich fails01:50
TreenaksCraHan: does it give you an error message? it should work fine01:50
tuo2can one of the canonical guys tell me approximately when  the CD's are to be sent?01:50
CraHanyes hang on01:50
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Bastahhh, that's better...01:50
TreenaksBast: does it work?01:50
Basttree: it does work, but that's not what i was doing :)01:51
Bastjust installed the nvidia-binary driver and i now have a refresh rate that doesn't make my eyes bleed01:51
mazethats always a plus01:51
TreenaksI know the feeling01:51
Elw0odBast,  i am still trying to install...01:51
CraHanTreenaks: when I call cdrecord with dev=/dev/sr0 it says the device is at scsibus +2 target -2 and lun -201:51
CraHanwhich is impossible01:52
CraHanit's at 0,0,001:52
Elw0odi have uname -ar ..i get linux.restricted-modules-
TreenaksCraHan: it shouldn't be using scsibus crap at all, just use the /dev/sr0 device.. it's a patched version of cdrecord..01:52
Elw0odbut it says does't match01:52
CraHancdrecord: Invalid argument. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer is the error01:52
CraHanTreenaks: I tried 01:52
Bastelwood: it's really easy, i just downloaded with synaptic and ran the sudo command from the binary-howto on the wiki - worked first go01:52
CraHanTreenaks: cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=/dev/sr0 -data image.iso01:52
CraHanand it fails01:52
CraHanwith that error01:53
Elw0odBast,  have u got a compiled by you own kernel?01:53
Treenaksvery strange, the same command works on my CD burner..01:53
CraHanthis is a usb device though01:53
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TreenaksCraHan: I think the best thing you can do is report a bug01:53
Bastthe installer still didn't detect my monitor, so i had to edit my x config by hand to fix the refresh rate though01:53
CraHannot an ide device01:53
Dekkardi thought that with 2.6 kernels.. the whole ide=scsi thing was no longer needed..01:53
Bastelwood: nope, just standard kernel01:53
TreenaksCraHan: my burner is USB as well01:53
TreenaksCraHan: (Apacer Disc Steno CP80)01:53
CraHanSony 500Ulx01:53
TreenaksDekkard: you're right01:53
TreenaksDekkard: but USB is still SCSI01:54
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CraHanI do see messages from udev when I connect the device01:54
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CraHansaying it's creating /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg001:54
CraHanI'm assuming that's correct?01:54
CraHanthe cdrecord output when using dev=/dev/sr0 is:01:55
CraHanscsidev: '/dev/sr0'01:55
CraHandevname: '/dev/sr0'01:55
_Hiro_what are the 'restricted-modules' anyway? :|01:55
CraHanscsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -201:55
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Bastnow my next step is to get my dvb card working... which would be a snap if i had the right version of the firmware01:55
CraHanand then it says that opening by devname is unintentional and not supported01:56
Treenaks_Hiro_: stuff that's "special" (strange licenses etc.)01:56
TreenaksBast: which card?01:56
_Hiro_I see :/01:56
Basttree: hauppage nova-t pci01:56
TreenaksBast: hm, don't know about that one01:56
_Hiro_so if it's not in a repository for a certain kernel version then I'm out of luck?01:56
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Basttree: it's a technotrend card rebadged, the file i'm after is tda1004x.bin - i used to have it, but then i had a drive crash01:57
Treenaks_Hiro_: you might try to apt-get source it01:57
Bastand technotrend has since upgraded the firmware which isn't compatible with the tda1004x module01:57
Basthas anyone tried the wine package out?02:00
Elw0odmodprobe nvidia02:00
Elw0odFATAL: Module nvidia not found.02:00
KamionCraHan: I tend to ignore cdrecord's whining about opening by devname02:00
Elw0odso this is my problem02:00
bob2Elw0od: you didn't install it...wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:01
CraHanKamion: I'd love to ignore it too, if it would at least burn the cd :/02:01
Elw0odbob2,  i followed all the passage and i have nvdia.ko in /lib/modules..ecc ecc02:01
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bob2Elw0od: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/?02:02
CraHani don't understand though why it burns the disc using /dev/sg0 and not using /dev/sr002:02
CraHandoes anyone know that?02:02
Elw0odbob2,  ..no!shit 02:02
bob2it always uses sg.02:02
bob2Elw0od: ?02:02
Elw0odbob2,  it creates
CraHanbob2: not here :) when I use nautilus-cd-burner it says it's using /dev/sr002:02
bob2Elw0od: ?02:03
bob2Elw0od: is itin the dir I said or not?02:03
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TreenaksCraHan: have you filed a bug yet?02:03
CraHanTreenaks: doing that now02:03
CraHanneed to creat an account first02:03
CraHanit sent me the password now02:04
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Elw0od_21bob2, i have uname -r and linux-restricted-modules-
Elw0od_21i need different one?02:07
bob2Elw0od_21: uname -r *really* prints that?02:07
Elw0od_21bob2,  i have a vanilla sources compiled by me02:07
TreenaksElw0od_21: ah, don't use those02:07
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betancesHello.  Will the "Open Terminal" desktop-menu item be removed from Ubuntu?02:07
Ubuntu-Linuxok any one here that was helping me before?02:07
Ubuntu-Linuxlike a few hrs ago02:08
bob2Elw0od_21: then you need to build your own sety of modules02:08
Elw0od_21bob2,  ok02:08
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Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: awake/online...?02:08
Elw0od_21bob2, and then i can install nvidia from?02:08
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: hm02:08
bob2Elw0od_21: yes...why did you build your own kernel?02:09
Ubuntu-Linuxok so should i get the driver on floopy? Treenaks02:09
Treenaksbetances: I hope not02:09
Elw0od_21bob2,  i have a winmodem02:09
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: what kind of driver?02:09
Elw0od_21bob2,  i have some particular needs02:09
Ubuntu-Linuxbtw is it possible to add a root user to ubuntu?02:09
Kamionbetances: why?02:09
bob2Elw0od_21: you don't need a custom kernel for a winmodem02:09
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: lite-on 52x 52x 32x + 16x02:10
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: please read the FAQ02:10
KamionUbuntu-Linux: 'sudo passwd root'02:10
joolzUbuntu-Linux: why don't you do sudo -s? This will give you a root shell02:10
Kamion(and what bob2 said)02:10
Elw0od_21bob2, but for supporting fs of mine yues02:10
betancesKamion: A user wouldn't really need it...02:10
bob2Elw0od_21: which filesystem is  that?02:10
Elw0od_21btw it's possible to install nvidia?02:10
Elw0od_21udf nfs02:10
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TreenaksElw0od_21: udf and nfs are both supported by the default kernel02:10
Kamionbetances: we're not really into dumbing down for the sake of dumbing down02:10
bob2Elw0od_21: the ubuntu kernel supports both udf and nfs.02:10
betancesKamion: In fact, it looks like this is already solved in GNOME upstream.  Check http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13179202:10
Ubuntu-Linuxbob2: you talking about http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root02:10
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: yes. and the wiki page.02:11
Elw0od_21but there is a solution?02:11
Elw0od_21so i can get an img of prebuilt kernel?02:11
bob2Elw0od_21: you can do whatever you want.  by building your own kernel, tho, you're making this all harder for yourself.02:11
Kamionbetances: bleh, that was a foolish decision.02:11
Ubuntu-Linuxbob2: i read it. it doesnt say if it possible to add a normal root user02:11
betancesKamion:  It's not about dumbing down, but as discussed in that page, does Joe User really need it?02:11
Kamionbetances: it doesn't do Joe User any harm.02:11
TreenaksI use that 'Open Terminal' thing all the time102:11
Ubuntu-Linuxlike with the user id of 0 ....02:11
Kamion(and frequently, yes)02:11
Elw0od_21bob2, but compiling drivers for my modemrequires sources02:12
KamionUbuntu-Linux: it is possible. follow its instructions.02:12
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: you want the model number?02:12
Ubuntu-LinuxKamion: by doing the sudo root pword command?02:12
Ubuntu-Linuxdoes that add a full root user02:13
KamionUbuntu-Linux: yes (only spelt correctly)02:13
betancesKamion, Treenaks:  I do too.  But this is about humanity to others, no?  And the majority of those "others" cannot care less about a terminal...02:13
KamionUbuntu-Linux: there already *is* a full root user, with uid 002:13
Kamionbetances: again: what harm does it do theem.02:13
Ubuntu-LinuxOHHHH so maybe if it was a bit more clear02:13
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: it's very very very clear.02:13
betancesKamion:  Theretically "none".  In practice, go watch users hit that accidentally.  02:14
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KamionUbuntu-Linux: I believe that all our documentation talks about the root account being "disabled", not "removed"02:14
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: that won't help much -- if your hardware doesn't work, file a bug about it02:14
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bob2Elw0od_21: yes, that does not require a new kernel.02:14
Ubuntu-Linuxlike say: To make the root user usable do the following command...02:14
Elw0od_21bob2,  u are right02:14
Elw0od_21let me try02:14
Treenaksbetances: there's a difference between a user and someone who starts running around screaming when he sees a window he does not recognise.02:15
KamionUbuntu-Linux: again, the FAQ says that the root account is "disabled", not "removed".02:15
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: it the detechtion which doesnt work but if i put the right driver on floppy why wont it work?02:15
Treenaksbetances: a window with a "help" menu, which explains what it is.02:15
Ubuntu-Linuxi said usable Kamion02:15
Ubuntu-Linuxok can i just install off the hdd?02:15
KamionUbuntu-Linux: the header of the page says "How do I use the root account?", and goes on to give a very detailed description of what's happening.02:16
Ubuntu-Linuxthat i dont have the cd dechtion problem02:16
Ubuntu-LinuxKamion: i have no idea what sudo is but i do know alot about other stuff02:16
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: the FAQ page explains it!02:17
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: yea i am on that page that does :)02:17
betancesTreenaks, Kamion:  I insist this is not necessary for a normal user.  There's already a patch to this bug, according to the bug page.  Their solution:  a keybinding providing the same feature.02:17
Treenaksbetances: which is annoying, because it takes op another set of keys02:17
Kamionbetances: which is less discoverable02:17
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: so what shound i say in the bug report?02:18
_Hiro_if I have a 2.6.7 kernel installed, will that work with linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-x ?02:18
betancesTreenaks, Kamion:  As someone suggested, if I have "Open Terminal", I could as well have "Open Text Editor", "Open Mail Reader", etc.02:18
bob2_hiro_ no02:18
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Treenaksbetances: can't you fight this fight on #gnome or something?02:18
_Hiro_too bad :/02:18
betancesKamion, Treenaks:  If you really *need* a terminal, you'll find out how to launch it.02:18
bob2_Hiro_: why? just install the ubuntu kernel02:18
bob2disabling it seems pointless to me, too...02:18
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: that your CD driver <make> <model> on ATA controller of make X, model Y, is not recognised during install02:19
_Hiro_well there are no 2.6.7 restricted-modules02:19
Treenaksbetances: I don't want to browse through 6 menus to find the xterm launcher.. and the panel is too far away as well02:19
Treenaksbetances: and a key binding is too annoying02:19
bob2_Hiro_: yes, install an Ubuntu *kernel*02:19
betancesTreenaks, Kamion:  I'm not fighting any fights here guys.  I was just here to ask if it is going to be included in Ubuntu.02:19
Treenaksbetances: I _want_ the desktop thing02:19
bob2_Hiro_: for which there is matching modules02:19
betancesTreenaks:  There's a Nautilus extension which provides the exact same thing.  02:19
_Hiro_well that's what's not good02:19
_Hiro_2.6.8 has issues with XFS02:20
jindI have just installed k3b, the cdrecord / cdrdao frontend, but how do I regerenerate the menues so it's listed from there?02:20
Treenaksbetances: then why are you bringing this whole thing up as a problem?02:20
betancesTreenaks, Kamion:  And please guys, don't take any of this personally ("fight").02:20
Kamionbetances: we stay in sync with GNOME02:20
CraHanTreenaks: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=259802:20
CraHanbug has been filed02:20
CraHanthis is the first time I file one, so don't shoot me if I made a booboo02:20
Kamionbetances: you're the one using phrases like "I insist".02:21
TreenaksKamion: still, packaging a few nautilus extensions won't hurt either02:21
jacobWhere has the mp3-plugin for gstreamer gone ?02:21
KamionTreenaks: agreed02:21
bob2jacob: ubuntu does not ship mp3 support on the cd.02:21
betancesKamion, Treenaks:  Just asked a question guys, that's it.  02:21
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jindHow do I add stuff to the program menu?02:23
jacobbob2, is there someplace I can get it ? Or is descried in a faq?02:23
betancesKamion, Treenaks:  Thanks.  ;-)02:23
bob2jacob: the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki, iirc02:23
bob2jind: applications:/// in nautilus02:23
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_Hiro_too bad there isn't any XFS -> ext3 util :/02:24
Dekkardor..click on applications,multimediathan in the pulldown right click and click add to this menu02:24
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agenteoI've used: sudo mount -o loop Desktop/immagine.iso /media/cdrom to mount an iso but I've got: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop# does I need to recompile the kernel?02:25
Kamionagenteo: 'sudo modprobe loop'02:25
bob2agenteo: sudo modprobe loop02:25
bob2dang, too slow02:25
agenteothanks, and can I use modconf to see a list of available modules?02:26
crimsuni have a random question: does anyone know the name of the applet used for the network monitor here? -> http://nat.org/2004/october/#21-October-2004  Thanks in advance.02:27
Treenaksagenteo: you can use find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*.ko for  that02:27
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agenteoTreenaks: but... modconf show a little help about the module you're going to add or remove... can I have it?02:28
skarhi, is there a flash deb for firefox02:29
bob2skar: on the wiki, RestrictedFormats02:29
jacobI can't locate the mp3-plugin for GStreamer... Anyone know how to get it? Can't find it in the repository described in the "RestrictedFormats" section on the wiki02:29
Kamionagenteo: I tried to make modconf work with Ubuntu and it turned out to be very difficult to get it to build; the source is horrible.02:30
Kamionagenteo: you can try if you like - the source package is in universe02:30
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crimsunjacob: uncomment universe, then install gstreamer0.8-mad02:31
Treenaksagenteo: modinfo modulename02:31
Ubuntu-LinuxThe result of this is that you can not log in after you re-boot. What should happen is that k3bsetup is run as the user and the root password is prompter for so .ICEauthority ownes to the user. This can not be done in Ubuntu because there is not actualy a root account (unless you create one).02:31
Ubuntu-Linuxthat part of the wiki says there is NO root user02:32
jacobcrimsun, ok thanks02:32
_Hiro_there always is a root user :s02:32
Kamionlet me see if I can find my instructions for editing the website; that is indeed just wrong02:32
Ubuntu-LinuxThis can not be done in Ubuntu because there is not actualy a root account (unless you create one).02:32
Kamionyes, I saw02:33
mjg59Ubuntu-Linux: Uh?02:33
Ubuntu-Linux_Hiro_: the wiki disagrey with you02:33
KamionI'll fix it02:33
_Hiro_Ubuntu-Linux if you want your root account to have a passwd just issue sudo passwd02:33
KamionUbuntu-Linux: where is that?02:33
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mjg59Ubuntu-Linux: How... odd.02:33
_Hiro_I think the system would halt without a 0 user :/02:33
KamionUbuntu-Linux: wikis are wikis, they're editable by anyone so they're sometimes wrong - give me the URL and I'll fix it02:34
Treenaks_Hiro_: it wouldn't, it'd just do weird stuff02:34
stvnif you start ubuntu in safe mode you get dropped into root02:34
Ubuntu-LinuxKamion: it the k3b one in howto02:35
KamionUbuntu-Linux: oh, so you don't mean the wiki, you mean www.ubuntulinux.org?02:35
Ubuntu-Linuxi mean ubuntu wiki02:36
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KamionUbuntu-Linux: that's not the wiki.02:37
Treenaksthe wiki is 'http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SomethingSomething02:37
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bob2Kamion: I'm logged in if you can't be arsed02:37
Ubuntu-Linuxwhat ever02:37
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: it's an important difference, and being rude to people helping you seems counter-productive02:38
nanotechcan anyone tell me how to view my friends webcam through gaim?02:38
Kamionbob2: trying to do it now02:38
KamionUbuntu-Linux: it matters because it makes a difference to how I fix your bug :-P02:38
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Ubuntu-Linuxwhat ever != rude02:40
Ubuntu-Linuxwhat ever == aussie02:40
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KamionUbuntu-Linux: fixed, thanks02:40
nanotechgaim users...please?02:41
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: I'm in the ACT.02:41
BastVIC here02:41
_Hiro_you can view webcams through gaim?02:41
Ubuntu-Linuxso Treenaks in the line you gave me make x is of what?02:41
stvnnanotech: I thought you needed netmeeting for webcam chat - not sure though02:41
Ubuntu-Linuxand model y02:41
_Hiro_yeah netmeeting or something :/02:41
_Hiro_so gnomemeeting02:41
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TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: the make and model of your drive and ATA chipset(s)02:42
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nanotechi just checked, and this says yes gaim supports webcams:http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=682602:42
Ubuntu-Linuxi already staed my cd drive in <make> and <model02:42
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: and what you're trying, and what you expect it to do02:42
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: so my motherboard?02:42
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: and what you did to try to solve it02:42
Micksananotech: are you who I think you are?02:42
nanotechpsssh. dunno02:42
KazeNoBokushaif i have an athlon xp, which do i want, warty-rc-live-i386.iso or warty-release-install-i386.iso or something else?02:42
Micksaare/were you a SLUGger?02:42
nanotechdon't really care for poking...so i doubt it02:43
KamionKazeNoBokusha: either, depends on what you want it to do02:43
Micksawell sorree02:43
TreenaksKazeNoBokusha: you choose.. -live is the "live CD" that you can use to try Ubuntu without installing02:43
KazeNoBokushai want to install ubuntu :P02:43
MicksaI don't care for pinging02:43
Micksapoking is old skool02:43
Micksaor something02:43
KamionKazeNoBokusha: then warty-release-install-i386.iso02:43
_Hiro_nanotech you need http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-vv/02:43
TreenaksKazeNoBokusha: warty-release-install-i386.iso is the "release" installer ISO02:43
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: ata control == mother baord?02:43
_Hiro_but that probably requires gaim on both sides02:43
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: the ATA controller can be on your motherboard, yes02:43
stvnnanotech: you need gaim-vv for that - as to the looks of it02:43
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: probably the part of lspci -vv that is about your ATA/SATA controller(s) is more relevant02:44
_Hiro_and linphone it seems02:44
Ubuntu-Linuxcrap my browser crashed i hate manbrake02:44
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: also, the exact error message can be useful02:44
stvnnanotech: you need to compile it yourself, there are not even .debs in debian experimental02:45
Ubuntu-Linuxit cound detech it there was no "error" message it just said it need the driver to continue02:45
TreenaksKamion: I assume there's already a plan for a "bug template" like the one on bugzilla.ximian.com ?02:45
TreenaksUbuntu-Linux: well, say that then02:46
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KamionTreenaks: we're not sticking with bugzilla forever02:47
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BeTaanyone has already tried ubuntu on a powerbook ?02:48
Kamionseveral of the developers have powerbooks02:48
TreenaksKamion: I understand, but the Ximian bugzilla has this "template" in the "Type your bug here" box, for newbie bug submitters02:48
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KamionTreenaks: my point is that it would be work we'd be throwing away :)02:49
TreenaksKamion: with "What did you do? What did you expect to happen? What happened? Were there any messages?"02:49
KamionTreenaks: (but the real answer to your question is "I don't know, ask justdave")02:49
TreenaksKamion: :) ok02:49
BeTaKamion: thx... I need 40 minutes to see my torrent DL finished, then I'll try quickly ;cb02:49
Bastdoes anyone know why my dmesg is full of error messages from atkbd.c ?02:50
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TreenaksBast: what kind of messages?02:51
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Basttree: lots and lots of "unknown key pressed"... use 'setkeycodes"02:52
torporBeTa: i just finished installing ubuntu on a powerbook, in fact.02:52
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torporso far the only problem i have is that alt-tab doesn't switch windows... something is borked with my keymap02:53
TreenaksBast: do you have an "internet" keyboard?02:53
TreenaksBast: with those extra buttons02:53
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Basttree: i do, but i'm not touching any of its keys...?02:54
bob2mrjive: can you turn that off please?02:54
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TreenaksBast: it could be that it generates some standard weird identification codes on boot or something?02:54
TreenaksBast: don't know02:54
mrjivebob2: ?02:55
Basttree: that's okay, it's not bothering me at all... am more curious than anything02:55
bob2mrjive: the public away thing.02:55
Kamiontorpor: you might find it's command-tab02:55
torporKamion: no that doesn't work.02:55
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mrjivebob2: i try02:55
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stvnhm, not too bad02:55
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mrjiveseems it worked now02:56
bob2cool, thanks :)02:56
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mrjivei beg your pardon for that02:56
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LapTop006hmm, evo in warty doesn't wan't to talk to my exchange server at work02:57
bob2LapTop006: have you got it to work in the past?02:57
bob2do they have OWA enabled?02:57
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LapTop006bob2: not in evo, and owa works, just tested locally (is also my own server at work so...)02:59
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LapTop006is exchange 2003 if it makes a diff02:59
stvnhm, stupid clock is running at the wrong speed03:00
Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: /ignore me while it finishes pasting03:00
bob2LapTop006: check the bts, some other people have complained of that03:00
Ubuntu-Linuxi did /exec -o of the command you told me03:00
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stvnanyone has a suggestion to why my clock is running at the wrong speed in ubuntu and not in debian?03:03
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Ubuntu-Linuxerr the ubuntu wiki netinstall is not for me as i dont have a network for it to work03:04
Bastokay, i want to recompile one kernel module... how can i do this without recompiling the entire kernel?03:05
bob2Ubuntu-Linux: so use the Cd you downloaded last night.03:05
bob2Bast: which module, and not easily?03:05
BeTafsck tarpor has gone :c/03:05
Bastbob2: tda1004x.c03:05
Ubuntu-Linuxshould i swap around my cd and hdd as my cd is ide 1 and my hdd is sata 3 or something...03:05
Basti need to change the firmware offset to get it working with my card... it's been updated in 2.6.9, but...03:06
Ubuntu-Linuxbob2: havent you been liston to my problem03:06
Ubuntu-Linuxubuntu messed with d-i and it now doesnt detech my cd drive or can load the module03:06
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Ubuntu-Linuxhiya tmp03:07
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stvnis it possible to unload kernel modules? 03:10
spivstvn: sudo rmmod module_name03:11
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Ubuntu-LinuxTreenaks: people #ubuntu dont understand my bug report mind adding a comment to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2601 making it more clear03:16
jacobStrange why gstreamer0.8-mad isnt included, but the decoding lib libmad0 _is_...03:16
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xfhowdy. is there an official list of ubuntu developers (apart from the incomplete teams  page), because i'm having no luck finding one03:22
xfunless you're keeping it secret or something ;-p03:22
dinK`cowcan anyone help getting X to work?03:23
bob2xf: there isn't one.03:23
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dgtlhi everyone03:23
Kamionxf: not yet, more because we haven't got round to it than because it's secret03:23
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dgtlanyone know how to get java applets running in firefox?03:23
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mrjivebern`: what grafic adapter?03:24
snazbazis anyone able to tell me if the dwl-610 "dlink air" wireless card is supported in ubuntu?03:24
bern`radeon mobility 960003:24
bern`its on my laptop03:24
bern`mrjive: it installed fine and I can use the cmd line but no gdm or kde03:24
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mrjivebern`: look the /var/log/XFree86.0.log03:26
bern`mrjive: ok03:26
mrjivebern`: and try using a lower number for the depth03:26
mrjivei think it tries to use 24 bit depth03:27
mrjivetry to set 16 bit03:27
mrjivebern`: does it use the correct driver? (i think radeon)03:28
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bern`mrjive: I'm looking for the depth and driver right now03:28
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bern`mrjive: not sure where in the file it's located though03:28
LapTop006bob2: thanks for the bugzilla pointer, got it all fixed now03:28
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bob2LapTop006: ah, cool, what was the problem?03:29
bob2forms authentication?03:29
_Hiro_snazbaz which chipset does it have?03:29
bern`mrjive: here we go03:29
bern`radeon_drv.o is what it's using03:30
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mrjivebern`: /etc/X11/XF86Config-403:31
bern`mrjive: it has 24 for the depth and 32 bpp for the framebuffer03:31