[12:00] <Juerd_> ogra: I have a local proxy. The line itself isn't bad either, though.
[12:00] <CraHan> oh
[12:00] <CraHan> /dev/sg0 works too
[12:00] <Juerd_> ogra: squid serves me well and transparently.
[12:00] <CraHan> why the heck does it recognize the cd as sr0 then... weird
[12:00] <s7s> How can i install this theme: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/green_heart/
[12:00] <lamont_r> knewt: if it was me (debian developer and all that), I'd be tempted to just apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop after doing a backup
[12:00] <Scognito> hllo..
[12:01] <Juerd_> I will be seeing you again after I tried install and boot into Ubuntu
[12:01] <knewt> lamont_r: this is on a server, not a desktop. and is uml-based, so is 2.4 only
[12:01] <xskoulax> ahhh well i haven't time to play with the lappy to figure it out, need to fire up oo.o and get on with my brothers homework :(
[12:01] <lamont_r> of course, the last time I did that, I did the back up afterwards by booting from CD and pushing bits to another computer before I flatlined it.  But that was back in the sounder 3 timeframe...
[12:01] <Juerd_> (does it have a terminal with ssh available during installation, yet? That would *so* increase "productivity" (the ability to use IRC).
[12:01] <Juerd_> *gone*
[12:01] <Juerd_> hm
[12:01] <Juerd_> )
[12:01] <__daniel> how do i get /dev/sequencer? is it some legacy thing?
[12:02] <mdz> Juerd_: not until the base system is installed
[12:02] <knewt> lamont_r: well, 2.6 is available for uml, but not where i am, and isn't as well tested as 2.4 anyway
[12:02] <mdz> __daniel: it's the midi device
[12:02] <__daniel> mdz, i know, but i only get /dev/snd/seq after modprobing snd-midi-seq
[12:02] <mdz> __daniel: modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:03] <__daniel> mdz: whooha!
[12:03] <__daniel> mdz, THANKS
[12:04] <__daniel> mdz, but playmidi still says: no playback device
[12:04] <__daniel> hmmmm
[12:05] <tolstoy> folks, what's the simplist way to get a list of installed packages?
[12:05] <ijuz> dpkg -l
[12:05] <tolstoy> on an rpm based distro, rpm -qa works.
[12:06] <tolstoy> Ah, thanks.
[12:06] <ogra> tolle: dpkg -l | less
[12:06] <ogra> oops
[12:06] <tolstoy> ijuz, there are so many different commands: aptitude, apt, apt-cache, apt-get, dpkg, etc.
[12:06] <gma> remember MyKq3's high CPU load? we've been chatting about it and the strange thing is he was 0% idle, 97% user, and the highest ranking process in top was X with 10% (caused by running top). could it be a rootkit job?
[12:06] <__daniel> tolstoy, if you use synaptic, you don't need any of the others :-)
[12:06] <ijuz> tolstoy: in the end they are all using dpkg
[12:07] <ogra> gma: how should that get in ?
[12:07] <tolstoy> __daniel, thanks.  Yeah, synaptic is better for exploration. I like the command line for certain things.
[12:07] <gma> ogra, beats me. I just can't think of any other explanation for the high CPU.
[12:07] <__daniel> tolstoy, de rien :-)
[12:07] <tolstoy> BTW, I wish ubuntu has something along the lines of red-carpet or that little redhat icon just for alerts.
[12:08] <knewt> (fast links)++ # Fetched 61.5MB in 22s (2684kB/s)
[12:08] <gma> (which probably means there's a perfectly reasonable explanation and I just can't think of it)
[12:08] <ogra> gma: me neither.... :(
[12:08] <gma> tolstoy, I know it's no alert, but you can get synaptic to just show you the things that need upgrading
[12:09] <gma> ogra, bummer. he's rebooting.
[12:09] <ogra> gma: so lets see if it comes back
[12:09] <gma> yeah
[12:10] <topyli> tolstoy: you join the security list for that
[12:11] <mindphasr> How would I go about getting a kernel with HPT374 support so I can install and boot?
[12:14] <tolstoy> topyli, are you saying we don't have that because it's a security risk?
[12:14] <ogra> mindphasr: would a hpt366 driver work ? this one is in the default modules
[12:14] <mindphasr> It is?
[12:14] <tolstoy> topyli, by which I mean the "there are updates" icon?
[12:14] <mindphasr> Well, I dont think that will work..
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <knewt> hmm, don't know about HTP374 but i know with debian i used to be able to install on my HTP372 system, as long as i turned off dma probing at boot until i could create a custom patched kernel. 
[12:15] <mindphasr> the drivers are in 2.6 kernels..but none of the ones on the disk..
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.k
[12:15] <ogra> argh
[12:15] <mindphasr> heh
[12:15] <mindphasr> knewt: How do I turn off DMA probing?
[12:15] <ogra> need a new keyboard in my old lappie
[12:16] <mindphasr> I can make the custom kernel..Just cant get in to do so.. heh
[12:16] <topyli> tolstoy: i mean the "you have mail" icon :)
[12:16] <topyli> not the same thing, i know :)
[12:19] <MyKq5> Gma dude?
[12:19] <knewt> mindphasr: try ideX=noautotune, replacing X with the appropriate number. eg, i used ide2=noautotune ide3=noautotune, since ide0 and ide1 were my main controller
[12:20] <gma> MyKq5, hi
[12:20] <mindphasr> okay..will do
[12:20] <gma> any joy?
[12:21] <mindphasr> There are no ide drives though
[12:22] <gma> MyKq5, what's your CPU load?
[12:24] <jgeorgeson> i've run 'sudo k3bsetup' to enable a burn group and used 2 different groups, both of which I am a member, and k3b still shows no writer 
[12:25] <asubedi> jgeorgeson: why not use nautilus' cd creator; it's so much simpler
[12:26] <Serenity^> heh, I cant stand either 
[12:26] <klein> my laptop is booting (from off) when the lid switch is depressed (i.e. when the screen is shut)...anyone had this problem?
[12:27] <Serenity^> well so far I have to admit that of all things debian related, ubuntu is the only one that I feel I could live with
[12:27] <theantix> klein: I have had that problem too (with fedora) and I turned that setting off in the bios
[12:27] <Solkaris> asubedi because the nautilus cd creator sucks compared to k3b?
[12:28] <jgeorgeson> asubedi: vcd
[12:29] <asubedi> Solkaris: if you just want to put some files, k3b seems utterly useless; i don't know in case of vcd
[12:30] <klein> theantix: hmm.  i'll check the bios, but i don't recall seeing any option like that.  any other ideas you came across?
[12:30] <jgeorgeson> Solkaris: I'd rather use the nautilus interface to burn an iso i already have, or just to make a data cd of some random set of files, but k3b is much nicer for doing audio cd, video cd, dvd, etc (i don't think nautilus interface even does any of those)
[12:31] <jgeorgeson> anyway, i should be able to use the writer not running as root in k3b
[12:31] <theantix> klein: I tried disabling apm, but that didn't affect my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 2450) -- maybe it will on yours -- the only thing that helped me was the BIOS setting
[12:31] <klein> theantix: hmm.  this is a fujitsu p2120, so no apm anyway.  i'll fiddle with any acpi settings i find
[12:32] <theantix> klein: you might want to try with acpi completely off then -- but recheck the bios anyhow just in case :-)
[12:33] <klein> theantix: maybe i'll check in the kernel, disable anything to do with the lid?
[12:33] <Solkaris> jgeorgeson aye .. it doesnt so if you need a real cd burner you need k3b .. which is why I said to asubedi that comparing the two .. nautilus cd creation software sucks in compared to k3b. Believe me I wish there was a Gnome based burner that was as nice as K3B because I HATE installing KDE and QT libraries to just to get a full function burner suite
[12:33] <razorblade2000> hi
[12:34] <Despair> k3b whinges about lack of cdrdao here. which isn't in the amd64 universe
[12:34] <theantix> klein: it didn't mention the lid specifically, I just turned off the auto-off settings
[12:34] <razorblade2000> just installed ubuntu... looks reeeeeeeally nice so far :D But there is one problem: sudo doesn't work for me :(
[12:34] <klein> theantix: sadly, i've got nothing like that
[12:34] <razorblade2000> asks for a password :(
[12:34] <Despair> razorblade2000: sudo uses user password
[12:34] <Solkaris> so enter your password
[12:34] <ogra> razorblade2000: so give it yours ;)
[12:35] <razorblade2000> cool :D
[12:35] <razorblade2000> thank you!
[12:35] <Solkaris> bbl
[12:35] <Serenity^> I just created a reg root password, sudo seems awkward
[12:35] <razorblade2000> *g*
[12:36] <Serenity^> specially when an app wants the "root" password to run, heh
[12:36] <ogra> Serenity^: its actually safer
[12:36] <ogra> Serenity^: sudo i mean
[12:37] <Serenity^> I guess, but su is easier to me, heh
[12:38] <gma> the only thing I've found so far that needs a real root password is the cups admin interface, but that's disabled for security reasons anyway
[12:41] <Phr0stByte> What? Someone didn't like the naked people?
[12:41] <razorblade2000> Is ubuntu sarge sid or woody?
[12:41] <swim> hi
[12:41] <Serenity^> I didn't, heh
[12:41] <swim> no xorg for ubuntu?
[12:41] <gma> razorblade2000, sid was forked/frozen a while back
[12:41] <Serenity^> not yet no
[12:41] <razorblade2000> swim: xorg for debian = xorg for ubuntu
[12:41] <ogra> swim: in six months
[12:41] <gma> swim, not til next release
[12:42] <razorblade2000> :D
[12:42] <Serenity^> 6 months? based on debian progress I'd say more like 6 yrs
[12:42] <razorblade2000> so I should add sarge repositories :-?
[12:42] <swim> oh no xorg for debian either?
[12:42] <gma> razorblade2000, not unless you really want to
[12:42] <Serenity^> no
[12:42] <razorblade2000> I do :D
[12:42] <gma> if you really want to do it, but it's not recommended/supported
[12:42] <razorblade2000> it's just mplayer anyway
[12:43] <gma> do it while you've not got any important data, then if you bork it you can re-install
[12:43] <swim> Serenity^, was that no to me?
[12:43] <Serenity^> yup
[12:43] <Swankyguy> im am so frustrated
[12:43] <gma> Swankyguy, this is not a pron channel
[12:43] <Serenity^> take a cold shower then
[12:43] <Swankyguy> is there anyway to enable vpc 2004 sound?
[12:44] <swim> would compiling be difficult?
[12:44] <Swankyguy> I tried : modules.conf
[12:44] <Swankyguy> alias sound-slot-0 sb 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options sound dmabuf=1 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> alias synth0 opl3 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options opl3 io=0x388 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 
[12:44] <Swankyguy> didnt work
[12:44] <mdz> swim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/x.org
[12:44] <swim> xorg
[12:44] <Swankyguy> as well as trying to install sndconfig... didnt work
[12:45] <Serenity^> if I want xorg I'll just go back to arch, xorg,udev,gcc3.4,etc   really neat, small & fast
[12:45] <mdz> Swankyguy: modules.conf is for 2.4 kernels
[12:45] <Swankyguy> any ideas mdz?
[12:45] <mdz> Swankyguy: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d, according to the syntax in the modprobe.conf man page
[12:46] <ogra> Serenity^: you don't belive in the 6 month releasecycle of ubuntu ?
[12:46] <Swankyguy> umm.. I need a bit of hand holding there mdz
[12:46] <razorblade2000> strange... ryhmbox crashes on my when selection web radios...
[12:46] <mdz> Swankyguy: I'm sorry, I can't get into step-by-step instructions at this time. perhaps someone else can help
[12:47] <Serenity^> ogra, I'll believe it when I see it
[12:47] <ogra> Serenity^: look at gnome.... ;) jeff waugh is ubuntu release manager.... so it must work .... btw kudos jdub
[12:48] <Serenity^> gnome is ok if yer into big bloated stuff like that, I prefer my xfce4
[12:49] <jdub> ogra: :)
[12:49] <ogra> Serenity^: it matches its release plans !
[12:50] <Serenity^> well, it's still so early I withhold judgement, heh
[12:50] <Swankyguy> ok Im in /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp
[12:50] <jdub> Serenity^: check gnome's releases since the 2.0->2.2 process.
[12:50] <stratus> i want my ubuntu cd's at home. :(
[12:51] <mirak_> serenity, you too!
[12:56] <Swankyguy> anyone else here feel like helping with vpc?
[12:56] <gma> Swankyguy, sorry, don't know anything about it
[12:57] <ogra> Swankyguy: Virtual PC ?
[12:58] <Swankyguy> yar
[12:58] <Swankyguy> beating my brains out trying to get the sound working
[12:58] <Swankyguy> modprobe something?
[12:58] <ogra> Swankyguy: there was a thread in the ubuntu devel list.....
[12:59] <Swankyguy> link?
[12:59] <ogra> Swankyguy: just lookked was all about grephics
[01:00] <ogra> graphics
[01:00] <ogra> Swankyguy: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[01:00] <Witigonen> I'm thinking I might switch from Fedora 2 to Ubuntu, anybody want to convince me of this?
[01:01] <jdub> nah, you'll figure out which one you want
[01:01] <ogra> Witigonen: if you had seen it already there'd be no need :))
[01:01] <Witigonen> ogra: I'm downloading the install iso right now, so...
[01:02] <ogra> Witigonen: try it, i'm sure you'll stay *g*
[01:03] <Witigonen> I come from a RedHat background, though.  But that background is about a month, so it's not exactly, you know, good.
[01:04] <Witigonen> How is Ubuntu with regards to eye candy?
[01:04] <ogra> Witigonen: it's gnome.... 
[01:04] <mdz> Witigonen: we've just gotten our first stable release out the door today; eye candy will be a hot topic for our second release in April
[01:04] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to install on a Toshiba laptop and I keep getting an error on "Loading /install/initrd.gz"  isolinux: Disc error 0C, AX = 4200, drive E0
[01:04] <Witigonen> mdz: Thanks.
[01:04] <mdz> LeeColleton: try burning the CD at a slower speed
[01:04] <ogra> mdz: cmon... it's already beautiful
[01:04] <mdz> ogra: you haven't seen anything yet :-)
[01:04] <razorblade2000> mhhhh... according to the CPU frequency scaling applet, my CPU Speed is somewhere between 0 MhZ, 134,72 GhZ and 1083 GhZ
[01:05] <razorblade2000> now that's overclockingdeluxe :D
[01:05] <mdz> razorblade2000: what kind of CPU?
[01:05] <razorblade2000> athlon xp mobile :D
[01:05] <razorblade2000> 2500+
[01:05] <mdz> razorblade2000: modprobe powernow-k7
[01:05] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[01:05] <razorblade2000> ohhh... works :D
[01:06] <Swankyguy> need more help
[01:06] <Witigonen> mdz: Has the stable release you just mentioned hit the mirrors yet or should I wait a day or two before downloading/installing?
[01:06] <Swankyguy> can anyone hold my hand to install vpc sound?
[01:07] <Dethread> Witigon, just download now and then do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:07] <mdz> Witigonen: I'm not sure; check your local mirror and see if the files are there
[01:07] <mdz> Witigonen: you can always use the torrent
[01:08] <Witigonen> mdz: I just grabbed whatever one off of ubuntulinux.org/download/ .  
[01:08] <Witigonen> Dethread: thanks.
[01:08] <meff> any estimate when the unstable tree will start going?
[01:08] <mdz> Witigonen: that one lists the primary archive server, which has the release already
[01:09] <Witigonen> mdz: Thanks.
[01:09] <mdz> meff: give us a few days to breathe :-)
[01:09] <meff> mdz: no prob just wondering :)
[01:10] <razorblade2000> hmmm... where do I have to insert the modprobe command to load it at startup automatically?
[01:10] <speel> hey is there a gui program out there where you can disable what ever services you want or enable them?
[01:10] <shorty> hi!
[01:10] <razorblade2000> and another question: does someone know if CPUFreq also does reduce cpu voltage?
[01:11] <razorblade2000> core voltage
[01:11] <shorty> where can i find the gstreamer-lame plugin for sound-juicer?
[01:11] <Juerd_> ogra: Raid was preserved this time :) Thanks for crossing your fingers
[01:13] <Witigonen> The release in April is going to include Xorg instead of Xfree if I understood you correctly then, mdz?
[01:13] <ogra> Swankyguy: i have no clue, but you'll need a module called  snd-sb16 i guess
[01:13] <ogra> Juerd_: great :)
[01:13] <Juerd_> Good Things: raid was preserved; grub installed; soundcard was detected; nice sounds
[01:14] <swim> how do I log out of X but not into gdm (to console)
[01:14] <Swankyguy> where? do I get the modules?
[01:14] <Juerd_> Bad Things: partition table on hdc not recognised (clone of hda, so wth?); wacom still doesn't work; keyboard layout still not set in X; login screen gives no way of picking another keyboard layout; installation takes very long (why copy to hd first and then dpkg, and what's with all the python packages that take so long?)
[01:14] <ogra> Swankyguy: run: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 
[01:14] <shorty> my sound-juicer don't support mp3! what's the matter?
[01:14] <ogra> Swankyguy: give it your userpassword
[01:14] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: You got a Waconm drawing tablet?
[01:14] <Juerd_> Conclusion: this time, Ubuntu was better than the last time I tried (October, 5th), but it's still by no means up to my standards
[01:15] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Yes, a Wacom Graphire I
[01:15] <swim> anyone please?
[01:15] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Which works with kernels <= 2.6.6, but not with > 2.6.6
[01:15] <Swankyguy> ogra: I did the modprobe, now what?
[01:15] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: I got a USB Graphire3 I have never gotten to work under any distro
[01:16] <ogra> swim: ctrl-alt-f1
[01:16] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Funny. I have a I and a II and they both work *perfectly* (as a pointing device) with kernels <= 2.6.6
[01:16] <ogra> Swankyguy: play a sound ?
[01:16] <Swankyguy> the sound slider still isnt working
[01:16] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: I have a friend who got the pressure thingy working, but I never bothered because I have it solely as a pointing device
[01:16] <razorblade2000> for me: ubuntu installed perfectly, keyboard layout was set fine, nice sounds, nice look
[01:16] <Juerd_> Which of my "Bad Things" should I *not* report as a bug?
[01:16] <ogra> Swankyguy: so the same command with snd-sb16-dsp
[01:16] <fish> what does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?
[01:16] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: So its the kernel thats the issue?
[01:16] <razorblade2000> con: the powernow issue + my wifi card won't work with kismet "out of the box"
[01:16] <razorblade2000> :D
[01:18] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Yes, but I will not report the bug there. Either it's with Ubuntu, or it's not at all :)
[01:18] <swim> ogra I need to stop gdm though as well...
[01:18] <Juerd_> The Wacom Graphire is recognised, by the way. It's the module that hasn't worked well since 2.6.7
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: Its not an Ubuntu issue - believe me
[01:18] <LinuxJones> Ok I set Option "Emulate3Button"  "no" in my XF86Config-4 file yesterday. It is still doing 3 button emulatiion...wth ?
[01:18] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: I understand that
[01:18] <ogra> swim: log in at the console and run: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:18] <swim> k thx
[01:18] <Juerd_> But as an end-user, I might not have known that
[01:18] <fish> what does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?
[01:18] <Juerd_> I thought that perhaps Ubuntu accepted bug reports for all Ubuntu-packaged software.
[01:18] <ogra> fish: the system-> hotplug, the installer->discover
[01:19] <fish> ogra, never heard of discover
[01:19] <fish> that new?
[01:19] <ogra> fish: no, pretty old :)   
[01:19] <Swankyguy> ogra: I must not have the modules cause nothign is happening. where do I get the modules?
[01:19] <Juerd_> I guess "installation takes very long" isn't a bug either
[01:20] <fish> hmm, ok
[01:20] <ogra> Swankyguy: did you se a errormessage after the modprobe command ?
[01:20] <Swankyguy> no
[01:20] <ogra> Swankyguy: try: lsmod
[01:20] <Juerd_> So far, thanks for your support in my short adventure
[01:21] <Juerd_> Good night
[01:21] <ogra> Juerd_: night
[01:21] <fish> ogra, if I wanted to set up a mythtv box with a capture card, and soundblaster etc do you think discover would handle that?
[01:21] <ijuz> how many zillion iso's are allready downloaded? :)
[01:21] <ogra> fish: never tried that :) 
[01:22] <Swankyguy> eek
[01:22] <Swankyguy> what?
[01:22] <Swankyguy> n00b <---
[01:22] <fish> right well im going to google for some info peace all
[01:22] <Swankyguy> lsmod ?
[01:23] <riley> i have the warty release on cd.  when i boot the cd, it will only let me install, and i am given no option to upgrade my current preview version. how would i go about upgrading?
[01:23] <ogra> Swankyguy: what did you see ?
[01:23] <__daniel> riley, use synaptic to upgrade
[01:23] <Swankyguy> I typed in lsmod
[01:23] <__daniel> riley, won't need a cd
[01:23] <riley> __daniel, oh, thanks
[01:24] <Swankyguy> it shows the expected modules running
[01:24] <Swankyguy> but still no sound
[01:24] <Swankyguy> is there a way to manually configure it?
[01:24] <razorblade2000> hi, I've got 2 network interfaces: eth0 is my laptops lanchip which works fine... eth1 seems to be my prism54 compatible pcmcia wlan card. ifconfig doesn't show eth1, iwconfig does. How do I activeate my wlan card (ifup eth1 didn't work)?
[01:24] <__daniel> riley, that's the good thing about debian/ubuntu
[01:24] <andril> hello all - Ubuntu - Final  Free!!!!!!
[01:24] <ogra> riley:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[01:25] <ogra> Swankyguy: can you start the volume-control (right click on the speaker applet)
[01:26] <riley> __daniel and ogra, thanks
[01:26] <andril> Swankyguy: what type of sound card do you have?
[01:26] <Witigonen> Time to burn the ISO and install, talk to you all later, thanks.
[01:27] <Swankyguy> ogra: yes
[01:27] <ogra> andril: a M$ virtual pc 2004 sb16 emu
[01:27] <Swankyguy> andril: sb16 isa pnp in vpc 2004 emu
[01:27] <ogra> Swankyguy: anything muted ?
[01:29] <andril> ahh Virtual PC fun - did you do the SP1 upgrade?
[01:29] <fishingforaworki> I just checked the discover info on progency's website, I wonder if they are being sponsored from Ubunut?
[01:30] <fishingforaworki> Ubuntu
[01:30] <andril> I had issues at first then I did the upgrade - now it works - but not on my main Ubuntu PC
[01:30] <Swankyguy> ogra: I unmuted/unlocked everything
[01:30] <Swankyguy> I then maxxed all volume
[01:30] <Swankyguy> the slider is still moving to the bottom if I try to move it
[01:31] <Swankyguy> andril: yes to the upgrade
[01:32] <andril> Swankygy: sorry then - maybe these guru's can help - they are very helpful :)
[01:32] <jdub> fishingforaworki: Ubuntu only uses discover briefly during install
[01:33] <Swankyguy> yah Im shocked to hear you got it working at all andril
[01:33] <fishingforaworki> hi jdub, im artist formerly known as Ashley or fish lOL
[01:33] <Swankyguy> Im never had vpc sound work on any linux
[01:33] <Swankyguy> vmware works though
[01:33] <doogie> ashley's a cute name.
[01:34] <ogra> Swank:what says: lsmod|grep snd_mixer
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> i was chatting with you yesterday, 
[01:34] <doogie> so's geneva, and no, that does *not* mean I have the hots for my niece. :|
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> doogie, down boy, im a Mab
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> Man
[01:34] <Swankyguy> ogra: just crashed my music player..hadda force quit it
[01:34] <doogie> fishingforaworki: who's to say I don't swing that way?
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> ashley, well I dont play for that team
[01:34] <doogie> who's to say *I* do?
[01:35] <fishingforaworki> not me
[01:35] <Swankyguy> ogra: snd_mixer_oss
[01:35] <Swankyguy> ogra: snd
[01:36] <ogra> Swank:and: lsmod|grep snd_pcm
[01:36] <fishingforaworki> my sister's boyfriend wants me to install xp on his hardisks without the computer,
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_pcm_oss
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_mixer_oss
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_pcm
[01:36] <fishingforaworki> basically just plug it in mine, and then unplug and give it to him
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd_page_alloc
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd_timer
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd
[01:37] <ogra> Swankyguy: should work....
[01:37] <Swankyguy> ogra: nada :-(
[01:37] <fishingforaworki> not going to work i dont think what you think boy's
[01:38] <ogra> fishingforaworki: what's a worki ? (i'm german)
[01:38] <fishingforaworki> i couldn't use my nick so I put fishingforaworkingdistro
[01:38] <ogra> ahh
[01:39] <ogra> fishingforaworki: thought of some strange slang
[01:39] <fishingforaworki> ogra, oh yeah whats that?
[01:41] <jayeola> fishingforafishcalledwanda
[01:41] <plasmo> i thought it was wooki like chewbacca from starwars ;)
[01:41] <fishingforaworki> lol
[01:41] <NewComer> is the ubuntu logo a symbol of 3 people holding hands in a circle, a top view of them?
[01:41] <ogra> Swankyguy: so i'm at the end... no ideas anymore....
[01:41] <jayeola> uh-huh
[01:42] <Swankyguy> ogra: I think the issue is that /etc/isapnp.conf is empty
[01:42] <Swankyguy> any ideas on what to put there?
[01:42] <mario> why???!!! why Ubuntu final not include p0rn backgrounds and splash screens :'(
[01:42] <fishingforaworki> Im showing my chap ubuntu
[01:42] <Swankyguy> I cant seem to use pnpdunp
[01:42] <Swankyguy> dump
[01:42] <fishingforaworki> im trying to get him to use linux, 
[01:42] <ogra> Swankyguy: you shouldn't need
[01:43] <TheMuso> mario: Many people didn't like it for the default install, and there was a meeting to discuss this. There was a unanimous vote to remove the artwork from the defaults, but it is still available.
[01:43] <fishingforaworki> he doesn't like it because not much software is supported
[01:43] <fishingforaworki> he likes to play in KDE on slackware mind you
[01:43] <plasmo> i just leave windows in dual boot for gaming
[01:44] <DoppleGanger> fishingforaworki: you insulting slackware
[01:44] <Swankyguy> ogra: aye but my sound should be working
[01:44] <speel> hey i need some help im trying to install a game and when i ./configure i get this configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[01:44] <speel> any ideas?
[01:44] <ogra> Swankyguy: should.....
[01:44] <fishingforaworki> I use to, but I only play one game, its not worth using a pirate for one game blah!
[01:44] <mario> TheMuso, but images are availables in any site?
[01:44] <ogra> Swankyguy: is this probably a sb8 emu ?
[01:44] <fishingforaworki> DoppleGanger, why?
[01:44] <DoppleGanger> just curious where the anger was coming from
[01:45] <speel> help any one ;(
[01:45] <jharrison> anger?
[01:45] <fishingforaworki> DoppleGanger, im complimenting if anything
[01:45] <Swankyguy> id give it a try ogra
[01:45] <Swankyguy> what command?
[01:45] <DoppleGanger> uhuh
[01:45] <jharrison> fishing for a work i?
[01:45] <speel> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[01:45] <speel>  help any one?
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> speel: install the library
[01:46] <Swankyguy> ogra : http://sxs.thexdershome.com/housekeeping/pnpstart.html
[01:46] <labauer> I'm working with the live cd and can't get printing to work for an hpjetdirect or windows printer. . .it does under knoppix.  Anyone here with printing troubleshooting experience?
[01:46] <meff> on using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it?
[01:46] <jharrison> speel: what graphics card do you have?
[01:46] <speel> but from where lol , nvidia geforce 4
[01:46] <jharrison> labauer: is it using cups?
[01:46] <ogra> Swankyguy: same as before but sb8 instead sb16 (use the up key)
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> labauer: start cups and install teh printer using the cups interface
[01:46] <speel> i installed my gfx card tho
[01:46] <speel> bah i mean the drivers for it
[01:46] <jharrison> speel: im an ati dude
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> 127.0.0.1:631
[01:47] <jharrison> speel: you got to install the drivers though
[01:47] <speel> yea did that games play fine for me but when i try to ./configure this one it craps out
[01:47] <ogra> Swankyguy: TESTED ON: Redhat 5.2, 6.0 and 6.1. Caldera 2.2 and 2.3 hmm, pretty old
[01:47] <fishingforaworki> fishingforaworkingdistro
[01:47] <DoppleGanger> coughs apt
[01:47] <labauer> jharrison and DoppleGanger:  I used the printer app under gnome. . . is it broken?  Under the web interface for CUPS, the printers do show up, just no printing.
[01:48] <DoppleGanger> what are you trying to print
[01:48] <razorblade2000> "sudo apt-get install koules" WORKS!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
[01:48] <labauer> DG:  test page under the gnome printing app
[01:48] <DoppleGanger> and are you sure those printers can print did you try the test print
[01:48] <Swankyguy> ogra: fatal eroor
[01:49] <ogra> Swankyguy: from modprobe ?
[01:49] <DoppleGanger> labauer: try printing a document
[01:49] <speel> does the opengl library have a special name or anything?
[01:49] <labauer> DG:  As above, I did try the test print and no go
[01:49] <DoppleGanger> if test page fails in cups config then you need to reconfigure cups
[01:49] <edu> hola?
[01:49] <edu> allguien puede ayudarme con una duda sobre ubuntu?
[01:50] <DoppleGanger> que duda?
[01:50] <edu> es recomendable que pase a sid?
[01:50] <labauer> DG:  So, from a cold boot of the CD, Ubuntu won't print w/o additional configuration, unlike Knoppix
[01:51] <Swankyguy> ogra: yes
[01:51] <Swankyguy> ogra: device does not exist
[01:51] <ogra> Swankyguy: so it's no sb8
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> labauer: probably not
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> just reconfigure it youself
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> its not that hard
[01:52] <ogra> Swankyguy: sb16 was ok, but i got no clue why you have no sound
[01:52] <jharrison> I guess I should download the live cd
[01:52] <labauer> DG:  OK, I guess I'll have to hit the CUPS documention, then.  Knoppix always just worked for me, so I've never really deleved in.  Thanks, DG!
[01:52] <jharrison> or wait to build my test box
[01:52] <DoppleGanger> edu: si ubuntu es debian sid pero es mejor usa debian sid que unbuntu
[01:53] <edu> pero puedo cambiarle los repositorios de ubuntu por los de sid?
[01:53] <DoppleGanger> si
[01:53] <edu> ok
[01:54] <edu> bueno, y donde me puedo bajar debian sid?
[01:54] <maruko-work> wth, spanish?
[01:54] <RichNrockvilleMD> I get alsact1 not loaded load stat 1134 ?? any ideas?
[01:54] <maruko-work> yo quiero un burrito de queso!
[01:55] <meff> on using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it? thanks
[01:55] <RichNrockvilleMD> maruko, you and the taco bell dog :)
[01:55] <DoppleGanger> edu: http://www.debian.org/international/Spanish
[01:55] <ogra> meff: testing
[01:55] <meff> ogra: hmm, someone should change that on there then.. :o
[01:57] <ogra> meff: i have changed the wiki, several people had probs with unstable....i have no access to the website cms to change it there, i'll contact someone.....
[01:57] <DoppleGanger> hmmm go yankees
[01:58] <meff> ogra: cool, thanks for your work
[01:58] <razorblade2000> i really begin to like ubuntu
[01:58] <jayeola> let's see, the source code belongs in /usr/src/, right?
[01:59] <cardador> jayeola: yes
[01:59] <DoppleGanger> he eh 
[02:00] <jayeola> <--- he does
[02:01] <DoppleGanger> yep
[02:01] <jayeola> ;/
[02:02] <asubedi> i did not install grub while installing warty (did not want to wipe the grub already in mbr). What should be the entry in grub.conf?
[02:02] <DoppleGanger> rtm
[02:04] <riley> i don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but i was wondering how i would add a bash command that can access a program i've written from anywhere on the system
[02:04] <meff> riley: alias
[02:04] <ukasz> or put the exec in PATH
[02:04] <riley> meff: thanks
[02:05] <meff> riley: like in .profile.. 'alias ultracommand=/some/dirs/path/bin/ultra'
[02:05] <asubedi> anyone mind sharing their grub.conf with me :)
[02:05] <riley> oh ok i thought you meant alias was a bash command... thanks
[02:05] <DoppleGanger> he eh 
[02:06] <dev1> hey, I'm about to install Ubuntu - how is it different from standard Debian?. Is the kernel the same as debian?
[02:06] <meff> dev1: read the website faq
[02:07] <meff> why dont people read before they ask :/
[02:07] <DoppleGanger> use it well luke
[02:07] <Dekkard> too easy
[02:07] <meff> i think everyone should read and study ESR's 'smart questions' page
[02:07] <meff> :P
[02:07] <dev1> I'm looking for the FAQ but it doesn't tell me what the kernel version is
[02:07] <DoppleGanger> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:08] <cardador> dev1: 2.6.8
[02:08] <meff> yes yes that one DoppleGanger ;)
[02:08] <jdub> dev1: 2.6.8.1, patched
[02:08] <dev1> what is "standard debian-unstable" shipping?
[02:08] <jdub> no idea
[02:08] <jdub> different to our kernel, anyway
[02:09] <meff> jdub, you a ubuntu dev?
[02:09] <dev1> I have to create some software that needs to go on debian but I hate Debian's installer and want to install Ubuntu instead
[02:09] <jdub> yes
[02:09] <jdub> ubuntu uses a simplified version of debian's installer
[02:09] <knewt> ok, took a while to get everything sorted out like i want but i've now successfully completed my upgrade from woody and everything seems good
[02:09] <nitin> i just installed ubuntu
[02:09] <nitin> whats the 1st step to set up my 9700 pro?
[02:09] <meff> is there any plans including lm-sensors anytime? it tries to install deb kernel images when i try to aptitude it.. also, are there lmsensor modules in the ubuntu kernel?
[02:10] <nitin> anyone know what the 1st step is after a fresh install to setup ati drivers
[02:10] <jdub> meff: $ find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/ | grep sensor
[02:10] <jdub> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-sensor.ko
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> nitin: trm
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> oops
[02:10] <nitin> ?
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> rtm
[02:11] <nitin> rtm?
[02:11] <jdub> nitin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[02:11] <asubedi> jdub: what should be the entry in grub.conf? (didn't install while installing warty because didn't want to wipe out the one already there)
[02:11] <Dekkard> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:11] <jdub> asubedi: in menu.lst?
[02:12] <asubedi> jdub: yes
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> ehem
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
[02:12] <jdub> mine looks like
[02:12] <tvon|x31> Hey, whats this about inotify in Hoary?
[02:12] <jdub> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:12] <jdub> root            (hd0,0)
[02:12] <jdub> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[02:12] <jdub> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R/RTFM.html
[02:12] <jdub> savedefault
[02:12] <jdub> boot
[02:12] <Swankyguy> ogra: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/5/24/164
[02:12] <jdub> 
[02:12] <Swankyguy> OGRA!
[02:12] <jdub> DoppleGanger: please do not use 'rtfm' to answer questions here
[02:12] <dougall> hola
[02:13] <asubedi> jdub, thanks :)
[02:13] <nitin> how do i get linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1?
[02:13] <speel> nitin use synaptic
[02:13] <nitin> and just search for that?
[02:13] <speel> yea
[02:13] <SmokingFire> yes
[02:13] <nitin> k
[02:13] <SmokingFire> linux-restricted then pick your kernel
[02:13] <jdub> nitin: what kind of cpu do you have?
[02:14] <nitin> p4 2.66
[02:14] <nitin> im doing the ati fglrx setup
[02:14] <nitin> and it says
[02:14] <nitin> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1
[02:14] <jdub> apt-get install linux-686
[02:14] <dougall> nitin: I just tried and failed miserably.
[02:14] <jdub> you probably already have it
[02:14] <nitin> k
[02:14] <jdub> $ dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*
[02:15] <nitin> #
[02:15] <nitin> sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
[02:15] <nitin>     *
[02:15] <nitin>       or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.
[02:15] <jdub> ^ do that to make sure
[02:15] <nitin> which one do i need?
[02:15] <jdub> linux-686
[02:15] <nitin> k
[02:15] <jdub> that's why i asked :)
[02:15] <nitin> ~_~
[02:15] <DoppleGanger> uname -r
[02:15] <nitin> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[02:15] <nitin> opsp
[02:15] <nitin> nitin@TheBox:~ $ uname -r
[02:15] <nitin> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:16] <nitin> so is linux-686 ok?
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: what cpu do you have?
[02:16] <nitin> p4 2.66
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: thats a 686 class cpu
[02:16] <nitin> and uname -r says 2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:16] <SmokingFire> I want to submit a feature request for after first boot of Ubuntu, what component would that be?
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: how about putting 2 and 2 together
[02:16] <nitin> k
[02:16] <nitin> i dunno ~_
[02:17] <nitin> want to make sure
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: yes 686 would be the kernel optimised for your cpu
[02:17] <nitin> E: Couldn't find package linux-686
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: if you had an athlon xp you would use a k7 kernel
[02:17] <nitin> do i need to enable a reposortory?
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8
[02:18] <jdub> jharrison: linux-image in ubuntu
[02:18] <jharrison> oh
[02:18] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:18] <jharrison> that sucks
[02:18] <DoppleGanger> eh eh
[02:18] <jharrison> how do you know what kernel is what
[02:18] <jdub> jharrison: linux-image-....
[02:18] <jharrison> ok
[02:18] <jdub> and there are a bunch of metapackages like linux-686
[02:18] <jharrison> so apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.8
[02:19] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Just wanted to say congratulations on the Warty release!  I and many others at my University switched distros when you released the preview and have loved it ever since.
[02:19] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:19] <jharrison> I hear ubuntu removed the semi-nude stuff today
[02:19] <ficusplanet> jharrison, Not removed.  By they aren't the default any longer.
[02:20] <jharrison> its for the best
[02:20] <ficusplanet> (At least as far as I can tell.)
[02:20] <meff> ficusplanet: yeah, me and a couple of hardcore debian user friends have switched over lately too :)
[02:20] <nitin> y doesnt ubuntu come with firefox 1.0pr?
[02:20] <tvon|x31> too buggy
[02:20] <nitin> icic
[02:21] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:21] <jharrison> I know what gaim is
[02:21] <LeeColleton> ions|ubuntu: I'm more interested in gaim-encryption..
[02:21] <jharrison> dont know what gaim-vv is
[02:22] <jharrison> LeeColleton: yeah
[02:22] <ions|ubuntu> voice & video
[02:22] <theantix> nitin: I'm sure when 1.0 final comes out someone will make Ubuntu packages for it
[02:22] <jharrison> oh ok
[02:22] <vircuser> is ubuntu community developed?
[02:22] <nitin> icic
[02:23] <ogra> vircuser: regarding here are over 240 ppl inside... yess
[02:23] <theantix> vircuser: I think it is mainly Canonical employees right now, but they are aiming to increase community involvment
[02:23] <vircuser> ok
[02:24] <theantix> on the other hand, a lot of the packages come from debian so maybe that isn't fair of me to say
[02:24] <vircuser> sounds cool anyway
[02:25] <theantix> oh yes, it's very cool :-)
[02:25] <vircuser> i think i'll go install it
[02:25] <vircuser> ..right now
[02:25] <RuffianSoldier> hi all
[02:25] <RuffianSoldier> UBUNTU RULES!
[02:25] <nitin> just to ppoint out theres a spelln mistake under the binarydriverhowto
[02:25] <nitin> it says
[02:26] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: WE KNOW !
[02:26] <nitin> flgrx-control when its fglrx-control
[02:26] <nitin> :P
[02:26] <jharrison> RuffianSoldier: you leading the pep rally?
[02:26] <LeeColleton> are there any issues with including strong encryption with ubuntu?  Why was gnupg included but no key manager (like seahorse or gpa)?
[02:26] <meff> heh, gnupg is a key manager
[02:26] <jharrison> Ng: fglrx?
[02:26] <LeeColleton> yeah, like lynx is a web browser
[02:26] <theantix> LeeColleton: both are in universe
[02:26] <jharrison> damn he quit
[02:27] <georgia> LeeColleton: lynx IS a web browser
[02:27] <Ng> wha? ;)
[02:27] <LeeColleton> theantix: I know, but it seems like a useful part of a desktop system
[02:27] <RuffianSoldier> UBUNTU IS NUMBER 5 ON DISTRO WATCH!! HELL YA!
[02:27] <LeeColleton> georgia: and gnupg IS a key manager.  I know.
[02:27] <jharrison> hehe
[02:27] <georgia> you shoudl have specified a GUI key manager
[02:27] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: only 5 :(
[02:27] <meff> last time i checked most of those graphical key managers were dead :)
[02:27] <SmokingFire> I just logged a enhancement for Ubuntu, what do you think? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2585
[02:27] <jharrison> RuffianSoldier: link?
[02:28] <tvon|x31> Didn't seahorse just have a new release?
[02:28] <georgia> gpg is not a gui key manager and lynx is not a gui browser, but they are respectively key managers and browsers
[02:28] <theantix> I think Seahorse is being considered for gnome 2.10 isn't it?
[02:28] <LeeColleton> I'm making the point that the average end user will not be able to use gnupg from the command line.  Nor will they want to use lynx
[02:28] <tvon|x31> dunno, I have/use it and it's decent
[02:28] <tvon|x31> though the nautilus context menu gets a little croweded
[02:28] <brettcar> SmokingFire: I think no one will read it
[02:28] <theantix> LeeColleton: I agree with you, I think Seahorse should be in main -- perhaps you could nominate it for inclusion
[02:28] <brettcar> SmokingFire: Sadly.
[02:29] <jdub> LeeColleton: the guis for gpg stuff have not been very good so far
[02:29] <jdub> LeeColleton: however, there's a new version of seahorse that is supposed to be better
[02:29] <SmokingFire> brettcar: That thought crossed my mind, but it would not be a big deal to do it and some would read it or hopefully remember its there.
[02:29] <jharrison> my browser says ubuntu is number 25 on distrowatch
[02:29] <hk-alfa> RuffianSoldier: number 4 :D
[02:29] <tvon|x31> Encrypting things via nautilus context menu would be more useful if the files could be automatically decrypted by whatever needed to open them
[02:29] <tvon|x31> well, automatically with prompt
[02:30] <meff> is there any menu in ubuntu like the debian menu in debian that shows all the installed pkgs for like, every window manager.. ?
[02:30] <theantix> jharrison: set it a different timespan, like last month or last two months
[02:30] <tvon|x31> game on
[02:30] <tvon|x31> effing Boston..they just do this to torture their fans
[02:30] <jharrison> :(
[02:30] <hk-alfa> jharrison: sort by last 1 month
[02:30] <jharrison> now ubuntu is 4 and debian is 5
[02:30] <nitin2> hey i installed the fglrx moduloes and restarted and it doesnt work
[02:30] <nitin2> i see fglrx module under lsmod
[02:31] <nitin2> but its using mesa
[02:31] <nitin2> wtF?
[02:31] <jharrison> and mandrake (the suck ass distro of all time) is number 1
[02:31] <brettcar> nitin2: Did you add it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:31] <nitin2> yea
[02:31] <brettcar> nitin2: How do you know it is still using mesa?
[02:31] <jharrison> nitin2: you have an ati card?
[02:31] <theantix> jharrison: just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks -- it's very good for a lot of people
[02:31] <nitin2> nitin@TheBox:~ $ fglrxinfo
[02:31] <nitin2> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4
[02:31] <jharrison> theantix: yeah ok
[02:32] <nitin2> obviously!
[02:32] <jharrison> nitin2: !
[02:32] <nitin2> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro] 
[02:32] <nitin2> 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [Radeon 9700 Pro]  (Secondary)
[02:32] <nitin2> so wtf is up with this..
[02:32] <brettcar> Hm
[02:32] <brettcar> Dunno
[02:32] <ogra> lol, linux CD is selling ubuntu for 1,99
[02:32] <LinuxJones> Time to check out the new live cd .... muahhhh
[02:32] <jharrison> nitin2: did you compile a kernel?
[02:32] <nitin2> nop
[02:32] <nitin2> its clean i JUST instaled it
[02:32] <nitin2> and installed the fglrx
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: did you make the driver?
[02:33] <nitin2> lol..no?
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: lomod | grep fglrx
[02:33] <Erndil> hello
[02:33] <Erndil> i need help
[02:33] <nitin2> its running
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: did you see a module called fglrx listed?
[02:33] <DoppleGanger> ha ah so all the crap distros get the higher ratings he eh 
[02:33] <Erndil> i spanish so i talk a little bad english
[02:33] <nitin2> nitin@TheBox:/var/log $ lsmod | grep fglrx
[02:33] <nitin2> fglrx                 214820  0
[02:33] <jharrison> DoppleGanger: now now they are all good for a lot of poeple
[02:34] <Erndil> i want to install an Ati Radeon 9600 pro in ubuntu
[02:34] <RuffianSoldier> I just order my 30 free ubuntu CDs, 10 for i386, 10 for Power PC, and 10 for AMD64 ALL FOR FREE!
[02:34] <jharrison> nitin2: did you convert it to a .deb with alien?
[02:34] <Erndil> yes
[02:34] <nitin2> i used the freking sudo apt-get install fglrx-diver
[02:34] <nitin2> driver
[02:34] <jharrison> nitin2: did you run fglrxconfig?
[02:34] <Erndil> nope
[02:34] <nitin2> no
[02:34] <nitin2> but i dont think so
[02:34] <nitin2> i dont need to
[02:35] <meff> hmm crap.. anyone have a prob with k3b not finding their burner? it wont detect my hp
[02:35] <nitin2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <jharrison> ok
[02:35] <meff> though i just burned something fine with cdrecord..
[02:35] <jharrison> nevermind then
[02:35] <cardador> Erndil: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <jharrison> I dont use ubuntu so maybe im telling you something I shouldnt be
[02:35] <jharrison> ubuntu might do it different
[02:35] <jharrison> I dont want to mess you up
[02:36] <jharrison> my ati card runs wonderful though :-P
[02:36] <jharrison> I have 3D accel up to my eye balls
[02:36] <nitin2> heres my log
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [agp]  AGP v3 disable mask   0x00000000
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [agp]  enabling AGP with mode=0x1f004f0a
[02:36] <nitin2> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  Failed to set AGP mode!
[02:36] <nitin2> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xe0b26000 at 0x40233000
[02:36] <RuffianSoldier> should i do an apt-get update and then upgrade since Ubuntu Final came out?
[02:37] <nitin2> opps
[02:37] <nitin2> closed it
[02:37] <nitin2> did u see the log?
[02:37] <nitin2> wtf is that 
[02:37] <RuffianSoldier> answer for my question?
[02:37] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <jharrison> nitin2: looks like you have an agp problem
[02:37] <nitin2> is 8x a problem?
[02:38] <jharrison> no
[02:38] <nitin2> should i turn it down to 4x on mobo
[02:38] <witigonen> So, I just installed Ubuntu... and I don't really recall it ever asking me for a root password.  
[02:38] <nitin2> ..
[02:38] <nitin2> then wt
[02:38] <nitin2> wat
[02:38] <jharrison> either the fglrx agp is not working properly for your hardware
[02:38] <jharrison> or
[02:38] <Netminder> wow a bunch of space got trimmed from the release ISO size.
[02:38] <RuffianSoldier> witigonen: heh, ubuntu has none
[02:38] <ogra> witigonen: it shouldn'T, there is none
[02:38] <jharrison> you are not using the kernel agpgart module
[02:38] <plasmo> witigonen: sudo ;)
[02:39] <ogra> witigonen: just use your own pw everywhere
[02:39] <lupus_> how do I enable hald to use fstab-sync and add all my partitions to /media?
[02:39] <witigonen> Okay, that's what I was wondering.  I tried su with my own password and that didn't work, so I didn't know what was going on.  Thanks!
[02:40] <jharrison> so if someone cracks your normal user password they can sudo whatever they want
[02:40] <jharrison> nice!
[02:40] <ogra> jharrison: if someone cracks you root pw as well
[02:41] <LinuxJones> jharrison, they have to get your userID as well 1st
[02:41] <ogra> but with sudo he fist has to guess your username ;)
[02:41] <jharrison> ogra: yeah but my root password is different then my user password 
[02:41] <witigonen> How do I go about mounting NTFS partitions?  Or.. is there an FAQ I can look at so I don't have to bother you people with questions you hear forty times a day?
[02:41] <jharrison> ogra: is your user name ogra?
[02:41] <ogra> jharrison: sudo is logging all commands
[02:42] <hk-alfa> hmm ubuntu es buena para servidor?
[02:42] <LinuxJones> witigonen, there should be something in the faq about that. There are about 10 requests per day for that. Give me a sec ...
[02:42] <ogra> jharrison: how could you guess....you just broke the first security barrier of my system *g*
[02:42] <jharrison> ogra: I didnt guess
[02:42] <__daniel> good night guys
[02:43] <snarf> holy crap, ubuntu is nice.. autodetected everything.. but does it have to do a full install of everything?
[02:43] <jharrison> ogra: now for your password
[02:43] <RuffianSoldier> snarf: its Ubuntu
[02:44] <LinuxJones> witigonen, >> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[02:44] <snarf> nah, it cant be
[02:44] <ogra> jharrison: but keep quiet ;)
[02:44] <SmokingFire> what does sudo stand for?
[02:44] <jharrison> ogra: will do
[02:44] <jharrison> SmokingFire: super user do
[02:44] <ogra> jharrison: *g*
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: want me to tell you your ip?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: where youa re from?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: etc...?
[02:45] <limaunion> hk-alfa: pienso que si, por que no ? se instala lo basico y lo adicional por apt
[02:45] <ogra> jharrison: i thoght superman.....
[02:45] <DoppleGanger> mwa ha ha 
[02:45] <DoppleGanger> man its so hard to read man mount
[02:45] <chuck> did anyone have trouble with ubuntu not configing their monitor?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: to find these thigns out is very easy if you know what to look for
[02:45] <ogra> jharrison: my mobile number would impress me !!
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: dont know if I can get that
[02:46] <jharrison> ogra: we will have to see
[02:46] <ogra> jharrison: you wont ---- it's prepaid
[02:46] <DoppleGanger> chuck: man xorgconfig
[02:47] <nitin2> omg
[02:47] <snarf> does ubuntu have anything to help me set up printing?
[02:47] <nitin2> i got it to work
[02:47] <chuck> have to reinstall it on the laptop
[02:47] <nitin2> but it thinks i have a 9500 pro now
[02:47] <nitin2> wtf
[02:47] <jharrison> ogra: germany
[02:47] <nitin2> and i get way lower fps
[02:47] <LinuxJones> snarf, Computer >> System Config >> Priniting
[02:47] <nitin2> i usuaally get 4000+ on glxgears and now i get 2000+
[02:48] <ogra> jharrison: thats easy, you just had to scroll up
[02:48] <snarf> thanks
[02:48] <snarf> never used gnome 2.x
[02:48] <DoppleGanger> ha ha hey chuck reinstall probably won't work
[02:48] <DoppleGanger> reading the manual will
[02:48] <jharrison> ogra: i wasnt paying attention
[02:48] <chuck> how so?
[02:49] <witigonen> So weird... LinuxJones, I can mount all the windows partitions on the same disk as the ubuntu install, but I can't access my other all ntfs harddrive.  It gives me a permissions error, though it appears to mount it fine.
[02:49] <limaunion> which's the right location to create directories to mount my different ntfs/msdos/etc filesystems, /mnt or /media ?
[02:49] <ogra> jharrison: send my pw to hostmaster@grawert.net if you got it and i'll hire you if my comany is asking for a security review :)
[02:49] <nitin2> god damn
[02:49] <nitin2> this is y linux is garg.
[02:50] <jharrison> ogra: no thanks I have a job I love already
[02:50] <lupus_> witigonen, did you use gid and uid
[02:50] <jharrison> ogra: and I have better things to do then crack your password
[02:50] <LinuxJones> witigonen, I don't have any windows machines, can you view them as root user ?
[02:50] <lupus_> otherwise users can't use it even when user is in the fstab options
[02:50] <jharrison> LinuxJones: what?
[02:51] <LinuxJones> jharrison, ??
[02:51] <nitin2> anyone know how to get the ati drivers to p r o p e r l y work?
[02:51] <ogra> jharrison: thoght it was this easy.... nevermind
[02:51] <jharrison> ogra: passwords are a little more difficult
[02:52] <jharrison> ogra: I meant finding usernames and ips and locations
[02:52] <witigonen> LinuxJones, since the cd command doesn't appear to work with sudo, I don't know if root can view it or not.  It looks just like user doesn't have the permissions.  However, the other windows partitions, which have the exact same setting, all work fine.  I used umask for all of them.
[02:53] <chuck> dopple man xorgconfig didnt work either
[02:53] <ogra> jharrison: i know how easy that is.... 
[02:53] <LinuxJones> witigonen, wish I could offer more help :D
[02:54] <jharrison> ogra: great
[02:55] <witigonen> Hmm..
[02:55] <TheMuso> witigonen: You can do sudo bash
[02:56] <jharrison> time to go code
[02:56] <TheMuso> Which can get you into a root shell.
[02:56] <DoppleGanger> chuck: google
[02:56] <DoppleGanger> ever heard of it
[02:56] <witigonen> TheMuso, thanks.
[02:56] <chuck> dopple thanks for the help
[02:56] <spacejunk> has anyone gotten sound working on a Dell Insprion 8200?
[02:56] <ogra> jharrison: bye :)
[02:56] <TheMuso> spacejunk: What sound card does the laptop have?
[02:56] <tolstoy> dyuguys know how to get emacs to recognize the scroll-wheel?  seems to do so naturally under, uh, another distribution. ;)
[02:56] <TheMuso> Did the install or hotplug find the card?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, please don't be rude to people
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> how is saying use google rude
[02:57] <spacejunk> TheMuso, Intel AC'97
[02:57] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, the ever heard of it part is rude
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> i am not gonna sit here and explain manual to someone
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> LinuxJones: what are you a fascist
[02:57] <tolstoy> nevermind. found it.
[02:58] <clochejm> will there be a firefox upgrade soon?
[02:58] <chuck> Dopple dont explain man to me i understand the concept, but if you dont WANT to help then allow someone else to help
[02:58] <spacejunk> wait; I think I found the problem
[02:59] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, considering you told him to man for something that doesn't exist on ubuntu, let's leave it @ that.
[02:59] <witigonen> It hangs for a very, very long time when it tries to mount or ls as root in the folder.
[02:59] <ogra> LinuxJones: he's gone
[02:59] <LinuxJones> god
[02:59] <witigonen> (There's an obscene amount of folders in there, but I don't think that's the cause- could the drive not be plugged in fully or something very strange like that?  It shows up in fdisk -l, so I wouldn't think so)
[03:00] <TheMuso> witigonen: Sorry I came in kinda late. What is your problem?
[03:00] <ukasz> anybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper?
[03:00] <Dashiva> If anyone knows anything about quantum computing/quantum cryptography or knows of a good primer to help me in writing something PM me plz :D. (amsg
[03:00] <TheMuso> ukasz: Are you using GNOME? If so, right click on the desktop, and you will see an option at the bottom of the menu to do just that.
[03:00] <SmokingFire> witigonen: your trying to mount a ntfs partition right?
[03:00] <ukasz> nope no gnome ^^
[03:00] <ogra> ukasz: right klick on you dektop ?
[03:00] <djempak> ukasz, try ImageMagick
[03:00] <ukasz> which command?
[03:01] <witigonen> SmokingFire, yes.
[03:01] <ogra> ukasz: xsertroot
[03:01] <djempak> "display"
[03:01] <TheMuso> witigonen: Have you run a chkdsk on the partition recently from Windows?
[03:01] <chuck> linuxjones i install ubuntu on a laptop and the screen is unusable
[03:01] <ukasz> thanks
[03:01] <djempak> np
[03:01] <witigonen> TheMuso, no, I haven't, but it was working perfectly earlier today in Fedora.
[03:01] <ogra> ukasz: sorry, xsetroot
[03:01] <TheMuso> chuck: Do you know what video card the laptop has?
[03:01] <ShadowHawk> So I just updated the preview release to Warty.  Hello NAKEDOS
[03:01] <SmokingFire> witigonen: if you know the partition name e.g. hda3 or hdb2 
[03:01] <chuck> i could find out
[03:02] <witigonen> SmokingFire, hda1.  It's an external hard drive, my main drive is SATA.
[03:02] <SmokingFire> witigonen: then create a folder in /mnt or /media named for example windows --> mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:02] <witigonen> Er, not external, internal IDE, sorry.
[03:02] <witigonen> SmokingFire, already done that, my two other ntfs partitions work wonderfully but this one isn't.
[03:02] <TheMuso> chuck: Type lspci -v and have a look through what you see. You should see somewthing about your video card.
[03:02] <ukasz> ogra: xsetroot does not support png
[03:02] <LinuxJones> chuck, ctrl+alt+F2 then sudo -s then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 
[03:02] <SmokingFire> after creating the directory, to test it you then do as sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[03:03] <SmokingFire> witigonen: ok, sorry
[03:03] <nitin2> hey i might have gotten it wroking
[03:03] <nitin2> but i get this error on glxinfo
[03:03] <nitin2> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:03] <nitin2> i think i need to make a simlink or something>?
[03:03] <nitin2> heeelp
[03:03] <ukasz> anybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper (that supports png)?
[03:03] <TheMuso> nitin2: Do you have that library installed anywhere?
[03:03] <chuck> i need to install it on the laptop again... i put SuSE on it, but i would rather run ubuntu
[03:03] <nitin2> it was installed fine
[03:03] <witigonen> SmokingFire, no problem :)
[03:03] <nitin2> i just instaled fglrx drivers
[03:04] <nitin2> and its giving me that error
[03:04] <witigonen> I have to go, actually, but I'll be back later, thank you everyone for your help.
[03:04] <jgarret1> hi!! I'm new to ubuntu..not linux though...is there a forum for ubuntu??
[03:04] <ogra> ukasz: try chameleon
[03:04] <TheMuso> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:04] <ukasz> ok
[03:04] <jgarret1> kk! thanks
[03:06] <nitin2> ?
[03:06] <ukasz> ogra, chameleon works fine, thanks
[03:06] <LinuxJones> chuck backup your /etc/X11XF86Config-4 file from your Suse install to a floppy. Then copy to Ubuntu after install.
[03:07] <TheMuso> LinuxJones: I am not sure if that is the best idea. All he needs is the driver info, but sometimes different distros do things differently, I.E fonts, etc.
[03:08] <TheMuso> I have tried doing that accross different distros before, with less than satisfactory results.
[03:08] <ogra> LinuxJones: i'd rather take knoppix or try the ubuntu live cd
[03:08] <chuck> ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (r128)
[03:08] <TheMuso> chuck: What might be an idea, is if you can, grab the latest live cd release, load that, and then copy the configuration from that onto your HD.
[03:09] <ogra> chuck: or pendrive, or floppy
[03:09] <chuck> Suse is just so gooyey
[03:10] <chuck> gooey
[03:10] <LinuxJones> TheMuso, it's easier to try restoring from backup but that's just me :)
[03:10] <ShadowHawk> Where is the loading screen and desktop file stored?  I'd like to open them in an image program.
[03:10] <chuck> running ubuntu on my desktop
[03:10] <ShadowHawk> The default one, rather.
[03:11] <labauer> Has anyone got the live cd version to print to any kind of printer?
[03:11] <clochejm> where is the default gnome themes folder?
[03:12] <ogra> ShadowHawk: /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[03:13] <ShadowHawk> ogra: thanks
[03:13] <labauer> So, no one has a working printer?
[03:14] <ogra> clochejm: /usr/share/themes/Default
[03:14] <clochejm> ogra, thanks
[03:14] <LinuxJones> labauer , Computer >> System Config >> Priniting
[03:14] <labauer> LJ:  Yup, that is what I tried. . .but it didn't work.  Did it for you?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> labauer , it worked for me on my hd install but I havn't tried the livecd yet :)
[03:16] <labauer> LJ:  What kind of printer?  parallel, usb, network?
[03:17] <chuck> my printer works
[03:17] <labauer> Chuck:  What kinda hookup to the printer do you have?
[03:17] <LinuxJones> labauer , usb
[03:18] <TheMuso> labauer: Do you have gimp-print installed? Perhaps if that was installed you may get the right driver?
[03:18] <TheMuso> Orhave I totally missed what is going on here?
[03:18] <chuck> printer port
[03:18] <MeAndU> I have installed MPLAYER and kept getting the following error - Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf )
[03:19] <clochejm> is a firefox upgrade coming soon?
[03:19] <chuck> Labauer but i am running the installed Ubuntu
[03:19] <ShadowHawk> ogra: what about the default desktop, rather than the splash screen?
[03:19] <Dashiva> MeAndU, install the mplayer-fonts package
[03:19] <clochejm> that would make installing plugins so much easier
[03:19] <MeAndU> Where can i find this file
[03:19] <fsc> ubuntu should ship with auto-hinting on in /etc/fonts/local.conf.  It makes a world of difference to me and I can say that fonts on Ubuntu look as good as XP now.  woot
[03:19] <MeAndU> ok will try that
[03:20] <labauer> TheMuso:  I've tried installing networked printers (HPJetDirect & Windows) via the printer tool under the "Computer" menu and via the web interface for CUPS.  They work under knoppix, but not ubuntu
[03:20] <ogra> ShadowHawk: /usr/share/backgrounds
[03:20] <ShadowHawk> Thanks
[03:20] <LinuxJones> MeAndU, install mplayer-fonts
[03:22] <LinuxJones> fsc, what does that do ?
[03:23] <atariboy> sweet 153 seeds for the torrent
[03:23] <MeAndU> LinuxJones, Thanks i will try that, but now i am doing an upgrade. Not sure though if the package is there for amd-64
[03:24] <LinuxJones> MeAndU, I want your computer :)
[03:24] <ogra> MeAndU: else you can link any .ttf file you like to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf
[03:25] <MeAndU> LinuxJones, Why not take it in vertual space
[03:25] <Ghosty> hello guys... may I ask? which iso should I download from the download page? Should I grab the live if I want to install to HDD or should I get the release?
[03:25] <ogra> Ghosty: get the release
[03:25] <chuck> night all
[03:25] <LinuxJones> night
[03:25] <ogra> nicht
[03:25] <ogra> g
[03:25] <Ghosty> thanx... I'll be joining wif you guys after I install
[03:26] <atariboy> Ghosty: the torrent in the topic works well
[03:26] <MeAndU> ogra, Whats the command to do that say i have a font.ttf in my ~/fontdir
[03:27] <ogra> MeAndU: ln -s ~/.fonts/font.ttf ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf
[03:28] <occy> anyone know where rhythmbox keeps it's preferences?
[03:28] <Dashiva> occy, .gnome2/rhythmbox/
[03:28] <occy> Dashiva, thanks bunches
[03:28] <punkass> is there a 'gui' way to remove files from a cdrw?
[03:28] <ogra> occy: whats wrong with the settings ?
[03:28] <occy> heh, it didn't like what I imported...
[03:29] <occy> and it wouldn't start up anymore
[03:29] <occy> so I nuked (just now)  ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/
[03:29] <occy> now it starts
[03:29] <ogra> occy: try gconf-editor and look in apps/rhythmbox
[03:29] <occy> I don't like that you can't simply drag and drop a file from nautilus onto it.
[03:29] <occy> and xmms is broken in ubuntu
[03:30] <Dashiva> you need to install mikmod with it
[03:30] <Dashiva> why it isn't in the dependency chain is a mystery
[03:30] <Dashiva> it's the same in debian
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Dashiva, why isn't that included in dependencies ... weird
[03:30] <occy> libmikmod2 - A portable sound library
[03:30] <occy> that?
[03:30] <Despair> Dashiva: even more of a mystery is why nobody uses the better mod lib, dumb...
[03:31] <occy> that fixed it ;)
[03:31] <occy> you'd think that would be a dep.
[03:32] <ogra> night all (3:30 AM in germany)
[03:32] <LinuxJones> cya ofra
[03:32] <LinuxJones> err ogra
[03:32] <ogra> *g*
[03:32] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:32] <Despair> though at least debian packages libdumb0. :)
[03:33] <occy> it's working now, so I reckon I can't complain too much ;)
[03:33] <occy> I look forward to when I can have Ubuntu goodness on my laptop.
[03:34] <Dashiva> but i do like pie
[03:35] <occy> well... xmms is a pile...
[03:35] <occy> nasty gtk1 stuff
[03:35] <Dashiva> but it's got plugins up the yinyang
[03:35] <Dashiva> beep is kinda sexy i guess
[03:36] <occy> beep?
[03:36] <Dashiva> beep media player
[03:36] <Dashiva> it's a gtk2 rip of xmms
[03:36] <occy> haha
[03:36] <occy> :P
[03:36] <Dashiva> not sure if it's in ubuntu repository tho
[03:36] <Despair> Dashiva: how's beep stability now? last time I tried it, it crashed if I tried to add anything to the playlist.
[03:36] <occy> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe beep 1.2.2-13 [17.9kB] 
[03:37] <occy> you run it and it just goes beep
[03:37] <occy> :)
[03:37] <LinuxJones> heh
[03:37] <Dashiva> haha
[03:37] <Dashiva> nah
[03:37] <Dashiva> beep-media-player
[03:37] <ions> any idea why I'd get this error when trying to compile gaim-vv: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH ?
[03:37] <Dashiva> though i guess if you're a minimalist the former would suffice
[03:37] <Dashiva> probably because you don't have gcc
[03:37] <LinuxJones> ions, install build-essential
[03:38] <ions> apt-get install build-essential?
[03:38] <occy> whoa
[03:38] <LinuxJones> ya
[03:38] <occy> Dashiva, thanks
[03:39] <ions> ty LinuxJones ! :)
[03:39] <occy> the skin fits in perfectly with my setup too
[03:39] <Dashiva> Despair, it works for me
[03:39] <occy> heh
[03:39] <LinuxJones> ions, :)
[03:39] <meff> how do i enable antialiasing in firefox?
[03:40] <Dashiva> i still dig xmms because it's got all my annoying xchat spam scripts
[03:41] <LinuxJones> night all work early tomorrow :)
[03:47] <nitin2> god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!
[03:48] <nitin2> god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!
[03:48] <nitin2> haha
[03:49] <nitin2> well its driving me crazy
[03:49] <nitin2> and no one knows how to help
[03:49] <nitin2> grr
[03:49] <nitin2> ill just rip all my hair out
[03:49] <Phr0stByte> Thats a Radeon
[03:49] <Phr0stByte> ?
[03:49] <nitin2> yea
[03:49] <nitin2> radeon 9700 pro
[03:49] <ukasz> isn't 9500 the same as 9700?
[03:50] <nitin2> yea..
[03:50] <nitin2> damn ati
[03:50] <nitin2> go to hell
[03:50] <nitin2> lol
[03:50] <nitin2> i wish i bought a radeon..
[03:50] <nitin2> i mean
[03:50] <nitin2> lol
[03:50] <nitin2> nvidia
[03:50] <ukasz> XD
[03:51] <calc> ukasz: its similiar, but not the same
[03:51] <ukasz> I'm ignorant on ati... I have leet nvidia XD
[03:51] <nitin2> haha
[03:52] <nitin2> im doing a full ubuntu update to see if anything will magically work
[03:52] <nitin2> downloading 120 megs..
[03:52] <nitin2> 22 min
[03:55] <ushooz> nitin2, what is wrong?
[03:55] <nitin2> my radeon 9700
[03:55] <nitin2> ubuntu thinks its a 9500
[03:55] <nitin2> :(
[03:55] <nitin2> just doesnt work good
[03:56] <Aan23433> phrostbyte, have yet to receive a cease and desist letter from your friendly ISP?
[03:56] <Phr0stByte> nope
[03:56] <nitin2> would the send one?
[03:56] <Aan23433> phrosbtyte, I think you will get one soon..
[03:56] <nitin2> i dont think they care would they?
[03:56] <Aan23433> they do...
[03:56] <nitin2> y?
[03:56] <nitin2> money?
[03:56] <Aan23433> bec. unlimited internet isn't really unlimited...
[03:57] <nitin2> haha
[03:57] <Aan23433> "subject to terms and conditions" which you clicked when you signed up for your broadband..
[03:57] <Aan23433> reasonable usage whatever that means..
[03:57] <Aan23433> but 130Gig seems quite a lot..
[03:57] <Aan23433> so what you've been downloading?
[03:57] <Phr0stByte> DVDs
[03:57] <nitin2> lol
[03:57] <Aan23433> what program were you using?
[03:58] <TheMuso> 130GB is stupidly too much. Do you people download just for the sake of it? Wow!
[03:58] <ushooz> nitin2, what do you mean does not work good? No GL?
[03:58] <Phr0stByte> overnetclc/ed2k_gui
[03:58] <Aan23433> heh, wished I had that much bandwidht.
[03:58] <nitin2> yes gl but i KNOW that when linux thinks its a 9700 pro correctly it get way better fps
[03:58] <Aan23433> hmm... I am kinda using my neighbour's "free" wifi..
[03:58] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here know The Gimp well?
[03:58] <Aan23433> problem is, I am not leeching anything..but there are like 10 other people..
[03:58] <nitin2> say, in glxgears i get over 2000 more fps
[03:59] <nitin2> tho its not a bm
[03:59] <Aan23433> how could there be possible 10 people all leeching off this poor guy?
[03:59] <Aan23433> i mean... jesus..find some other AP..
[04:00] <Dashiva> he's dumb enough to leave it open heh
[04:00] <Aan23433> or better yet, limited to moderated browsing..
[04:00] <Aan23433> actually, I am hoping it's intentional..
[04:00] <ushooz> nitin2, ah, I thought you were not have GL at all. My ATI stinks in Linux on the hardware it is on
[04:00] <Aan23433> if I had cable, I would leave it open..
[04:01] <Aan23433> and my SSID would be "abuseitorloseit"
[04:01] <Dashiva> anything to burn bin/cue files in ubuntu?
[04:01] <meff> cdrdao Dashiva
[04:01] <Dashiva> rephrase - anything easy to use to burn bin/cue files
[04:01] <TheMuso> And Gcdmaster is a nice front-end
[04:01] <meff> uh whats hard about cdrdao
[04:01] <nitin2> :(
[04:01] <LeeColleton> Aan23433: wouldn't that be "abuseitANDloseit"?
[04:02] <clochejm> is anyone have really slow network/internet performance?
[04:02] <meff> cdrdao write --device /dev/hdd --driver generic-mmc --overburn --speed 10 -v 9 blah.cue
[04:02] <Aan23433> meff, some people just have hard time remembering bunch of CL stuff"
[04:02] <TheMuso> Accessing what?
[04:02] <Aan23433> lee, true.. heh.
[04:02] <Dashiva> hmm
[04:02] <Aan23433> clochjem..
[04:02] <Dashiva> i got a cd to waste...lesse if it works
[04:02] <Aan23433> me.
[04:02] <Dashiva> shoud i sudo it
[04:02] <clochejm> Aan23433, network performance is extremely slow
[04:03] <clochejm> Aan23433, it takes forever for it to resolve addresses
[04:03] <clochejm> any ideas?
[04:03] <Aan23433> clochejm, hmm.. sorry.. I am a n00b..
[04:04] <clochejm> does anyone else notice slow resolving of addresses
[04:04] <joshua__> Hey, I'm having a couple of problems with my brand-new Ubuntu install.  During bootup, I get several Hotplug FATAL ERRORS (for modules pciehp and shpchp).  Then, when I go to shutdown, my box hangs at the "Sent ACPI_turn_off command" (or something similar).  I have a feeling these two problems are related.  Anyone have any ideas how to fix these?
[04:05] <TheMuso> THe modules pciehp and shpchp are nothing to worry about. However, I don't think the module failure messages are supposed to come up.
[04:05] <Aan23433> hmm.. i think your box is working properly..
[04:06] <Aan23433> acpi off command should normally turn off your computer..without having to reach for the power switch..
[04:06] <Aan23433> as long as all modules and mounts are unmounted, I think you should be safe.
[04:06] <Aan23433> fyi, I got the exact error messages..
[04:06] <TheMuso> joshua__: What is your motherboard?
[04:07] <clochejm> once my downloads start I'm at 4000K/sec... but it takes forever for a website to load
[04:07] <clochejm> any ideas?
[04:07] <paulproteus> clochejm: Your DNS servers are flaky.
[04:07] <paulproteus> Try on a command line:
[04:07] <paulproteus> host asheesh.org
[04:07] <clochejm> how do I fix that?
[04:07] <paulproteus> See how long it takes.
[04:07] <paulproteus> What ISP do you use?
[04:08] <clochejm> it came back fast
[04:08] <clochejm> Road Runner Business Class
[04:08] <clochejm> it resolved quickly
[04:08] <paulproteus> Hmm.  Usually that's a symptom of bad DNS.
[04:08] <paulproteus> Well, what browser are you using?
[04:08] <paulproteus> And have you tried using a different one?
[04:08] <clochejm> firefox
[04:08] <Aan23433> joshua, any new solutions for usb wifi problems?
[04:08] <clochejm> I tried mozilla and it was the same
[04:09] <ushooz> clochejm, you know what your DNS sever should be set to?
[04:09] <TheMuso> clochejm: What about using an FTP client?
[04:09] <paulproteus> clochejm: Perhaps you should try adding this to your DNS servers list:
[04:09] <paulproteus> 128.151.2.1
[04:09] <clochejm> I haven't tried any FTP
[04:09] <paulproteus> That's from the University of Rochester, and it's fairly fast.
[04:09] <clochejm> where is the master list?
[04:09] <joshua__> TheMuso, I have a Epox 8k3a mainboard
[04:09] <ushooz> clochejm, look at /etc/resolv.conf
[04:10] <clochejm> ushooz, thanks
[04:10] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> question : how is ubuntu going to cover the costs of sending out so many free cds
[04:10] <TheMuso> joshua__: Are you running the latest kernel?
[04:10] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> no hidden costs right ?
[04:10] <nitin2> ubuntu must make some ati drivers for r300 chipsets
[04:10] <nitin2> ati's SUCK
[04:10] <joshua__> i'm running whichever one came with the final release today, 2.8.9.1 i think?
[04:10] <TheMuso> Fart-Doh-Ruh: A large number of pressed CDs doesn't usually cost much.
[04:10] <Aan23433> let's see, you can get CDR's for peanuts... postage would suck...
[04:11] <joshua__> Aan23433, if they send it as a nonprofit postage would be very cheap
[04:11] <paulproteus> Canonical Software, Incorporated (-:
[04:11] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> TheMuso, interested to order quite a big number so that we can pass them around during freesoftware day next year in Malaysia
[04:11] <Aan23433> heck, I bought so much free after rebate CDR's from Office stores.
[04:11] <TheMuso> joshua__: 2.6.8.1-16 I think is the latest.
[04:11] <paulproteus> (BTW, is Ubuntu *really* going with the naked-people graphics in the login screen?  It's slightly embarrassing when I tell people they should use this, and then they ask me about that. ;-)
[04:11] <joshua__> TheMuso, that's the one, (<-- duh) :/
[04:11] <TheMuso> paulproteus: No
[04:12] <ushooz> paulproteus, they changed that with yesterdays update
[04:12] <clochejm> ushooz, do I need to restart the network service then?
[04:12] <Aan23433> paul, you call that naked?
[04:12] <joshua__> paulproteus, not in the final release
[04:12] <Aan23433> it's not even soft-core..
[04:12] <paulproteus> I know, they're not really naked.
[04:12] <ushooz> clochejm, should not have to
[04:12] <paulproteus> Though I am looking right down that girl's cleavage.
[04:12] <paulproteus> College-age guys to whom I give Ubuntu often ask, "What's with the shirtless guys?"
[04:12] <Aan23433> I was expecting something more... like triple action.... "black chick covering his boobs, and the white chick's boobs were hidden behind Ubuntu logo"... I say censorship.
[04:12] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> heh yeah that is not naked
[04:13] <fsc> I have a question about mounting.  I can mount a fat32 partition fine, but my user can't access it and if I bring up a root terminal it can't change the directory permissions
[04:13] <paulproteus> ("Ooh, my desktop's loading.  And there are shirtless guys.")
[04:13] <ukasz> strange thing, my XF86Config-4 is written so I should have "1152x864" resolution, and I have "1024x768". Anybody knows how to fix that?
[04:13] <Aan23433> fsc, I had the same problem.. sudo did't help.. oh well.. 
[04:13] <joshua__> TheMuso, synaptic says I have nothing to upgrade :/
[04:14] <TheMuso> joshua__: Did you update first?
[04:14] <clochejm> ushooz, thanx for your help... that did the trick
[04:14] <paulproteus> ushooz: Oh, good, glad to hear that.  Is there an image of the final one somewhere?
[04:14] <paulproteus> clochejm: What fixed it?
[04:14] <ushooz> paulproteus, it is back to the one before the people ones. It is a generic Ubuntu login
[04:14] <clochejm> adding another dns entry
[04:14] <TheMuso> paulproteus: If you are running Ubuntu, simply update.
[04:14] <joshua__> TheMuso, yep.
[04:14] <clochejm> it must be my isp tonight or something
[04:14] <clochejm> very strange
[04:15] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Waiting for my iBook to get back from repair.  I'm running Debian Sarge here on my desktop.
[04:15] <Aan23433> ah.. ibook..
[04:15] <TheMuso> joshua__: Since it is a desktop, you might want to consider only using apm, which should turn off your system.
[04:15] <TheMuso> joshua__: Unless you want to monitor CPU temps, etc.
[04:15] <joshua__> TheMuso, is there any real reason why not using ACPI would hurt me later?
[04:15] <clochejm> ushooz, do you have the newest firefox working?
[04:16] <adam_> hey guys the Ubuntu Login screen itself, the loading screen, can I change the graphic?
[04:16] <TheMuso> Yeah, go into system config, login screen
[04:16] <ushooz> ukasz, you should be able to change to 1024x768 by changing that in your XF86Config-4 file. 
[04:16] <joshua__> TheMuso, it's just weird, because my bios says it supports ACPI
[04:16] <ushooz> clochejm, nope. I use .93 here
[04:16] <TheMuso> joshua__: ACPI doesn allow you to directly monitor your CPU.
[04:16] <baHam> adam_, you dont like that strabic chick, do you ?
[04:16] <Aan23433> adam, are you looking for more "nude" log-in page?
[04:16] <ukasz> ushooz, I did that
[04:16] <clochejm> ushooz, ok
[04:16] <ushooz> ukasz, what gfx card?
[04:16] <adam_> no lol
[04:16] <ukasz> nvidia
[04:17] <adam_> non-nude preferable, something more like my desktop
[04:17] <joshua__> okay, i'll give it a shot.  how do i turn off acpi?
[04:17] <adam_> lol
[04:17] <TheMuso> joshua__: Yeah, but the kernel doesn't have proper support for turning the system off it seems.
[04:17] <ushooz> ukasz, are you using the nvidia accelerated drivers?
[04:17] <ukasz> yes
[04:17] <baHam> I thing that on the next update there will be chicks anymore..
[04:17] <ushooz> or the default XFree drivers
[04:17] <ushooz> ukasz, ok add this line
[04:17] <baHam> like everybody who got ubuntu doesnt like it
[04:17] <ukasz> and I have hardware accel
[04:17] <adam_> and i'm not talking about the login screen, talking about hte loading screen.
[04:18] <meff> adam_: its all in the wiki faq
[04:18] <Aan23433> the white guy covering his mammary glands is really funny.. I mean jesus, he's a guy.
[04:18] <ushooz> ukasz, under the section monitor add this
[04:18] <ushooz>         Option          "IgnoreEDID" "1"
[04:18] <ukasz> kk
[04:18] <ukasz> what does it do?
[04:18] <baHam> Aan23433, right, right
[04:19] <ushooz> the closed source nvidia drivers tries to read what your monitor is cable off and it guesses wrong sometimes
[04:19] <baHam> Aan23433, I dont thing he is a guy.. he looks more like an alien
[04:19] <ushooz> off = of
[04:19] <Aan23433> ah.. the jokes of uber-geeks..
[04:19] <paulproteus> I'm going to teach a mini course at JHU, student to student.  I want to teach Windows users to convert to Ubuntu and learn to love Linux on their desktops.  Any ideas for a course title?  (And/or, any suggestions on what all to teach?  I haven't been a Windows user for years....)
[04:19] <Aan23433> are all geeks closet-type gays? 
[04:19] <paulproteus> Aan23433: ?
[04:20] <ushooz> paulproteus, that is a tall order :)
[04:20] <djempak> hey, the only thing that matters is if the ladies like the guy
[04:20] <lejeunefille> paulproteus: i suggest you use something more stable than ubuntu for that class
[04:20] <lejeunefille> how about
[04:20] <Aan23433> paulproteus, Linux Demystified.
[04:20] <paulproteus> Stable in what way?
[04:20] <paulproteus> ushooz: Well, I have three weeks to teach it.
[04:20] <baHam> paulproteus, what is "JHU" ? University of ?
[04:20] <Aan23433> seriously... three weeks to teach linux..
[04:20] <Aan23433> good luck..
[04:20] <lejeunefille> The idiots guide to How to better clean Windows
[04:21] <lejeunefille> ubuntu is not stable yet
[04:21] <paulproteus> Aan23433: Enough to get them on their feet, at least.
[04:21] <lejeunefille> very buggy
[04:21] <Aan23433> I think Knoppix or even Lindows might be a better choice.
[04:21] <lejeunefille> yep
[04:21] <paulproteus> lejeunefille: Oh, I hadn't realized.  I've only used it a little.
[04:21] <paulproteus> What kind of bugs does it have?
[04:21] <baHam> paulproteus, the point is to convert them, not to find a proper title.. 
[04:21] <TheMuso> lejeunefille: It may be buggy for you, but may not be for others.
[04:21] <adam_> Are there websites that have alternate themes for login and splash screens?
[04:21] <paulproteus> baHam: Well, I must have a good title if they're to sign up (-;
[04:21] <Aan23433> 'get on their feet' -dealing with text installer and trying to repartition your hard drive... while trying to setup your network, printer, etc.
[04:21] <baHam> paulproteus, you are teaching in which uni ?
[04:22] <paulproteus> adam_: kde-look.org and deviantart.org have backgrounds, at least.
[04:22] <paulproteus> Johns Hopkins University.  A general university with a school of engineering and arts & sciences school.
[04:22] <lejeunefille> TheMuso: its called debian i don't use knock offs
[04:22] <baHam> adam_, gnome-look.org
[04:22] <baHam> adam_, and art.gnome.org
[04:22] <paulproteus> I'm just a student, but we can teach mini-courses over Intersession.
[04:22] <ushooz> gnome-look.org does too as well as art.gnome.org
[04:22] <baHam> paulproteus, yea, in which uni ?
[04:22] <Aan23433> paul, do you get a credit for that?
[04:22] <ushooz> doh, baHam :)
[04:22] <paulproteus> Johns Hopkins University.  www.jhu.edu ;)
[04:22] <ushooz> beat me to it
[04:23] <baHam> ushooz, I've been using art.gnome.org like since I was 12
[04:23] <Aan23433> Johns Hopkins U is a very prestigious undergrad and medical school..
[04:23] <paulproteus> Aan23433: No, but you get to feel really happy with your computer at the end ;-)
[04:23] <baHam> ushooz, ;>
[04:23] <ushooz> I have been using it for awhile myself
[04:23] <baHam> anybody from virginia in here?
[04:23] <Aan23433> I download like every single releases but have yet to make the switch.. I am not smart enough, me figures.
[04:23] <ushooz> I was bummed when it was down for so long with gnome.org was hacked
[04:24] <paulproteus> So is the consensus that Ubuntu is too buggy to use for new Windows converts?
[04:24] <TheMuso> paulproteus: No way
[04:24] <Aan23433> paul, I agree..
[04:24] <Aan23433> try installing on different computers..
[04:24] <paulproteus> It seems virtually everything can be configured from the GUI.
[04:24] <baHam> I'd say no..
[04:24] <Aan23433> tried on two separate machines...both had serious issues that prevented me from using it on a day to day basis..
[04:24] <paulproteus> And I'm very proficient at Linux installs, so I can help them get it on if that's the need.
[04:24] <paulproteus> When people say "yes" or "no", do they mean "yes, use it" or "yes, it's too buggy"?
[04:24] <baHam> I converted like 20-30 people in italy to ubuntu.. I helped them, but they got everything working so they are very glad.. and I am too
[04:24] <lejeunefille> ha whatever noob
[04:24] <TheMuso> andy__: Perhaps if it were using a 2.4 kernel you may have not had problems? How old are those machines?
[04:25] <TheMuso> paulproteus: Yes use Ubuntu
[04:25] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Okay.  Then I will! :-)
[04:25] <Aan23433> well, I still lean towards Knoppix or Gnoppix...more out of box software...and better hardware compatibility..
[04:25] <TheMuso> But knoppix uses KDE.
[04:25] <baHam> the only thing that is weird is that the packages are old..
[04:26] <ushooz> grr. I got to write a letter of move out of my flat. Jacked up the price and it is not worth it for this little place
[04:26] <paulproteus> I want to give the non-techies a compelling, "This does everything I want and looks consistent" feel.
[04:26] <Aan23433> But I think first time linux users would prefer KDE over Gnome.
[04:26] <baHam> xfce 4.0 instead of 4.1 , kde 3.2 instead of 3.3 , xfree insteal of xorg
[04:26] <TheMuso> andy__: What makes you think so?
[04:26] <Aan23433> paul, BUT, you need to constantly browse through hundreds of docs... "man this and man that" "vi this and that"..
[04:26] <TheMuso>  Sorry Aan23433 What makes you think so
[04:26] <baHam> Aan23433, no, when I started, I started with kde.. I changed after 10 minutes to gnome..
[04:27] <Aan23433> wow..
[04:27] <ushooz>  enjoy KDE
[04:27] <Aan23433> I perseonally like gnome...feels more robust.. more minimalist...
[04:27] <TheMuso> Ubuntu may not have much now, but give it a release or two and it will be up with the top distros in terms of configurability.
[04:27] <baHam> I personaly prefer the tty
[04:27] <Aan23433> BUT, KDE feels more like Windows interface.
[04:27] <baHam> hehe
[04:27] <ushooz> Aan23433, I agree
[04:27] <defendguin> punkass, you around?
[04:28] <TheMuso> Aan23433: You may as well use Windows then if you want it to feel like Windows.
[04:28] <ushooz> Gnome feels more like a Mac to me :)
[04:28] <Aan23433> themuso, no..i don't like windows..
[04:28] <TheMuso> Well that is a good thing. I tend to agree with that ushooz 
[04:28] <Aan23433> just spend five hours YESTERDAY reinstalling my Windows XP for the nth time.
[04:28] <asdf_46> Has anyone had trouble with apt pausing when it is downloading things?
[04:28] <iminj> Hi, I'm a NOOB. I just installed 4.1. My sound card (soundblaster 16) isn't recognized. Is there a utility in ubuntu to help it find the card, and configure it?
[04:29] <TheMuso> Would that be an ISA card iminj?
[04:29] <Aan23433> sound blaster 16...hmm... classic..
[04:29] <iminj> yes, ISA
[04:29] <TheMuso> iminj: Would you happen to know whether it is an ISA plug and play card by any chance?
[04:30] <baHam> nobody from virginia ?
[04:30] <iminj> it was plug and play in windows ... so, yes ( i guess)
[04:30] <asdf_46> baHam: sorry, NM here. :)
[04:30] <Aan23433> iminj, why are you using SB 16 on your computer?
[04:30] <iminj> OLD PC
[04:30] <baHam> asdf_46, hm ??
[04:30] <Aan23433> I mean....most computers nowadays post 1998 came with onboard sound...
[04:30] <paulproteus> SB 16 is a perfectly respectable card.
[04:31] <asdf_46> baHam: ?
[04:31] <TheMuso> I agree.
[04:31] <Aan23433> OR, you could just get a supported PCI card for like 10$.
[04:31] <iminj> this is an early 98 PC (dell) with separate sound card, nothing on mobo
[04:31] <baHam> asdf_46, I didnt understand what you mean with "sorry, NM here. :)"
[04:31] <asdf_46> baHam: New Mexico
[04:31] <baHam> asdf_46, cool
[04:31] <paulproteus> iminj: Try:
[04:31] <paulproteus> sudo modprobe sb
[04:31] <ushooz> ukasz, taht work out for ya. XF86Config change?
[04:32] <Aan23433> iminj, in the past, I had good experience with downloading/installing "sndconfig" and using that to detect and configure sound cards..
[04:32] <paulproteus> That should (temporarily) load the driver.
[04:32] <TheMuso> paulproteus: That is OSS. Better to use ALSA IMO.
[04:32] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Oops, you're right.
[04:32] <Aan23433> but sound card must be supported by the kernel a la loadable modules..
[04:32] <ukasz> ushooz, dunno, I need to reboot X first :P
[04:32] <TheMuso> Aan23433: And sndconfig is OSS only AFAIK.
[04:32] <baHam> I have a soundcard built by a farmer.. So to run it, I use both, ALSA and OSS
[04:33] <Aan23433> heh..
[04:33] <iminj> Folks ,,, several good tips there ... thanks, I'll try 'em
[04:33] <paulproteus> iminj: Wait!
[04:33] <paulproteus> Don't try my tip.
[04:33] <iminj> yup??
[04:33] <paulproteus> I'm concerned it might work :-)
[04:33] <iioshius> TheMuso, acpi suddenly started working.  thanks for you help though. :)
[04:33] <paulproteus> Try instead:
[04:33] <Aan23433> I am NEVER gonna buy another single piece of non-linux support hardware..
[04:33] <rskrodzki> crap i forgot how to use irc, Mirc had me too spoiled
[04:33] <baHam> Deer Park r0x :>
[04:33] <paulproteus> iminj: Try: sudo modprobe snd-16
[04:33] <TheMuso> modprobe snd-sb16
[04:34] <iminj> ok
[04:34] <iminj> thnkx
[04:34] <asdf_46> Why doesn't rhytm box reconize mp3?
[04:34] <baHam> I kinda dont feel comfortable with sudo..
[04:34] <baHam> asdf_46, sure it is mp3 ?
[04:34] <Aan23433> anyone here who has switched to OSX?
[04:34] <TheMuso> asdf_46: MP3 support is not in the default install. Get gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[04:34] <ushooz> Aan23433, I have two Macs
[04:34] <asdf_46> It isn't in restricted?
[04:35] <Aan23433> ushooz, running OSX?
[04:35] <TheMuso> asdf_46: No/
[04:35] <baHam> asdf_46, apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:35] <baHam> asdf_46, after editing sources.list
[04:35] <ushooz> I can walk to that machine in a second or open the lid on my other laptop
[04:35] <asdf_46> hmm, ok.
[04:35] <TheMuso> That is if he hasn't enabled universe all ready.
[04:35] <ushooz> Aan23433, what do ya need? :)
[04:35] <TheMuso> already
[04:35] <baHam> right
[04:35] <Aan23433> ushooz, just some comparison between linux vs. osx..
[04:36] <asdf_46> I didn't enable it, the updates for it are too slow in dialup. :(
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, just do that.. or get xmms
[04:36] <Aan23433> I want the stability of *nix + fancy eye candies... tightly integrated and optimized.
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, I, personally prefer xmms
[04:36] <djempak> that's KDE ;)
[04:36] <ushooz> Aan23433, I use linux for fun and servers. OSX when I want to code Java or write or be creative and need a machine to just work without much thinking
[04:36] <Rene_S> I use Muir, a mono-xine music player works ok
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, you know, I'm an old type nerd.. pine, xmms, xine .. 
[04:37] <asdf_46> baHam: I use rhytmbox for the searching features.
[04:37] <Aan23433> ushooz, ic... seriously, my next computer might be a powerbook.
[04:37] <TheMuso> And rhythmbox uses Gstreamer.
[04:37] <asdf_46> yup
[04:37] <ushooz> Aan23433, If you can afford it I reco it
[04:37] <baHam> asdf_46, just get that package
[04:37] <Aan23433> So you can techinically run all the open source stuff on OSX? 
[04:37] <iioshius> Question:  do I remember correctly that Ubuntu can't read NTFS partitions out of the box?  What do I need to install to make this happen?
[04:37] <djempak> yeah, you can use xine in RhythmBox also IIRC
[04:37] <baHam> asdf_46, just download the .deb from the web and dpkg it..
[04:37] <ukasz> ushooz, that didn't help. xrandr still shows I have "1024x768"
[04:38] <ushooz> Aan23433, more or less. 
[04:38] <asdf_46> baHam: That's what I'm doing now.
[04:38] <baHam> ^^
[04:38] <baHam> I am waiting for an acceptable tool for linux to get stuff on my ipod
[04:38] <ushooz> ukasz, bummer... you might look through the nvidia readme. There are alot of switches
[04:38] <Rene_S> or else you can go to ultra funky and dl all the kdelibs and use kaffeine, i use that for movies instead of Totem
[04:38] <Aan23433> asdf_46, I recommend just sticking with apt-get... you might spend more time trying to get all the needed packages (due to dependency stuff).
[04:38] <fsc> ioslipstream: ubuntu can read NTFS out of the box
[04:38] <Rene_S> works for music too
[04:38] <TheMuso> iioshius: NTFS is supported, but only read-only.
[04:38] <ushooz> ukasz, so you want 1152x864 and not 1024x768
[04:39] <asdf_46> I don't see it, shouldn't it br in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gstreamer/ ?
[04:39] <ukasz> yes
[04:39] <iioshius> TheMuso: okay, I thought that might be the case.  Must be losing my mind these days.
[04:39] <ukasz> It always workes on slack
[04:39] <baHam> asdf_46, it wont break
[04:40] <ushooz> ukasz, ah. I reco the readme
[04:40] <Aan23433> ushooz, does having only one mouse button really hurt mac usage?
[04:40] <ushooz> Aan23433, I got use to it on my Powerbook but I have a Wireless scroll mouse on my Desktop Mac
[04:41] <Aan23433> hmm... one mouse button.. damn, I need like five buttons including scroll..
[04:41] <Aan23433> :)
[04:41] <ushooz> Aan23433, I am waiting for a quality bluetooth mouse for the laptop
[04:42] <icu> What gui configuration utilities are there included with ubuntu for nfs.
[04:42] <Dashiva> anyone know what a joystick maps to when you plug it into ubuntu
[04:43] <TheMuso> icu: You can directly mount NFS volumes from GNOME I think.
[04:43] <ushooz> Aan23433, I have had good luck with my bluetooth mac keyboard and microsoft wirless mouse
[04:43] <Despair> Dashiva: /dev/input/event* and /dev/input/js*
[04:43] <Aan23433> despair, btw, where does usb palm pilot would link to in terms of /dev?
[04:44] <Despair> Aan23433: no idea
[04:44] <Dashiva> thx
[04:44] <Aan23433> anyone? :)
[04:44] <icu> TheMuso: I want to setup what exports there are. Cause i've done it manually as i've done on other linux boxes and restarted the kernel server but when I go to connect from other computers as i've done before it says connection refused.
[04:44] <Aan23433> anyone here who uses Palm pilot with linux desktop?
[04:44] <iioshius> does anyone know if it's possible to give Evolution Bayesian spam filtering (like in Thunderbird)?  I like Ev, but I get too much spam to try and filter it manually...
[04:45] <jdub> icu: no gui tools for setting up nfs exports. just edit /etc/exports
[04:45] <Dashiva> k epsxe is tight
[04:45] <Dashiva> playing castlevania at 60 fps
[04:45] <defendguin> oh ubuntu had an official release today?
[04:45] <icu> jdub: this valid? "/       192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,sync)"
[04:45] <ushooz> Aan23433, here is my lappys if  you want to see :)
[04:45] <ushooz> http://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/00019.jpg
[04:46] <Aan23433> ushooz, sure..
[04:47] <phin> nice
[04:47] <phin> full release is out?
[04:47] <Aan23433> hmm...large file..
[04:47] <Rene_S> Pretty hairy leg someone has there
[04:48] <Krypt0n> haha
[04:48] <Krypt0n> lappies are cool
[04:48] <icu> jdub: i keep getting mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[04:49] <ushooz> here is more of my junk if you want to see
[04:49] <ushooz> http://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/DSC00391.JPG
[04:50] <ushooz> little bit of a mess
[04:50] <iioshius> What's the difference between Universe and Multiverse?
[04:50] <Aan23433> ushooz, holly golly, no one's gonna print a 12X10' copy of that pic... maybe 500K file would do?
[04:51] <ushooz> sorry did not reduce the size
[04:51] <ushooz> spoiled by broadband
[04:51] <iioshius> ushooz: nice G5, sure wish I had one of those ;)
[04:52] <baHam> does anybody know when ibook g5's comin ou ?
[04:52] <baHam> t
[04:52] <ushooz> iioshius, yeah, I am a recent Macster
[04:52] <ushooz> iioshius, I hated pre OSX
[04:53] <ushooz> iioshius, plus hated the bubble mac look pre G5
[04:53] <Aan23433> yeah, I had to manage a few pre OSX macs..and hated it..
[04:53] <baHam> ushooz, iBook kicks asses :D
[04:53] <Aan23433> constantly got virtual memory error..
[04:53] <ushooz> baHam, iBooks are nice but I got the PB
[04:53] <adapt> is ubuntu support m4a default with rhythmbox
[04:54] <baHam> ushooz, 12" ?
[04:54] <ushooz> baHam, I wanted the extras a PB offered me. My Toshiba laptop is stuck at 1024x768 and 512 Meg RAM and both annoy me
[04:54] <baHam> ushooz, 12" or 14" ?
[04:54] <ushooz> baHam, my PB? I have a 15" PB
[04:54] <Aan23433> I am using a IBM T41... only 1024x768 with 512MB ram.. HATE IT.
[04:55] <baHam> ushooz, cool.. right now I dont have much money.. maybe the next pb when it comes out i'll buy it
[04:55] <Aan23433> 1. hate the nipple... 2. too heavy..
[04:55] <baHam> when does the next pb come out ?
[04:55] <ushooz> baHam, after x-mas unless Apple shocks us
[04:55] <baHam> hehe
[04:55] <baHam> cool
[04:55] <baHam> :>
[04:55] <baHam> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png
[04:55] <ushooz> I plan on holding onto the PB as long as possible. Hope the G5 PBs are out next time I decide to upgrade my Apple Lappy
[04:55] <baHam> do you like my desktop ? :>
[04:56] <Aan23433> ushooz, running Suse?
[04:56] <Aan23433> btw, suse and lindows were only distros that set up my wifi USB card properly...
[04:56] <ushooz> Aan23433, I run SuSE, RHEL, Slackware and Ubuntu on various machines
[04:56] <ushooz> I keep up with SuSE and RHEL for commercial reasons.
[04:57] <baHam> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png <-- do you like it, guys ?
[04:57] <ushooz> Slackware and Ubuntu for fun
[04:57] <xskoulax> mmmm warez mp3z pr0n me likes baHam ;)
[04:57] <baHam> ushooz, try gentoo too..
[04:57] <baHam> haha xskoulax :>
[04:57] <Krypt0n> haha
[04:57] <baHam> I came back from school today..
[04:57] <Krypt0n> cool wallpaper
[04:57] <paulproteus> Aan23433: /dev/ttyUSB1 or so
[04:57] <paulproteus> but dmesg will tell you for sure
[04:57] <baHam> my dad was browsing
[04:57] <paulproteus> (re: USB Palm)
[04:57] <baHam> with my PC
[04:58] <baHam> and the pr0n folder was right there..
[04:58] <baHam> I was like
[04:58] <Krypt0n> heh
[04:58] <baHam> NoOOoOoOoooOoO (movie style)
[04:58] <baHam> ahah
[04:58] <baHam> he didnt find out anything.. I hope..
[04:58] <Krypt0n> :P
[04:58] <baHam> ghgh
[04:58] <icu> What do I have to do to get ubuntu to allow other computers to connect to the nfs exports?
[04:58] <Krypt0n> baHam: any chance of a link to the original wallpaper?
[04:58] <xskoulax> baHam: i'm sure its not a new concept to your dad, maybe a new spelling though ;)
[04:58] <Aan23433> paulproteus, thanks..will try it later..
[04:58] <Dekkard> im seeing here that the final of 4.10 is using udev instead of dev...?
[04:59] <baHam> Krypt0n, it's made by bizarreSK on deviantart.com
[04:59] <Krypt0n> cheers, i'll search it up :)
[04:59] <Skif> http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
[04:59] <baHam> yea, I'm lame
[04:59] <Aan23433> baHam... hm... creative folder name like "system" -> fullforce?
[05:00] <paulproteus> icu: man exports, I'm afriad.
[05:00] <paulproteus> s/afriad/afraid/
[05:00] <baHam> I did it yesterday.. I was like dying of tireness
[05:00] <icu> paulproteus: I've setup the exports and restarted the kernel server but still no luck.
[05:00] <paulproteus> What error, permission denied?
[05:01] <icu> mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[05:01] <baHam> I am so nerd that I connected via putty ssh to my pc from school.. and ran bitchx and connected to irc.. can U imagine ?
[05:01] <baHam> ahah
[05:02] <baHam> ubuntugeek, master of ubuntuforums.org?
[05:02] <icu> paulproteus: I have no idea, only had this problem since moving to ubuntu from pure debian
[05:02] <baHam> deFrysk, hi ;>
[05:02] <deFrysk> morning 
[05:02] <deFrysk> ;)
[05:02] <baHam> deFrysk, it's evening.. for me :|
[05:02] <paulproteus> icu: Portmap is running?  I've never done NFS from Ubuntu.
[05:02] <deFrysk> 5 am here
[05:02] <baHam> deFrysk, ;_; I want to go back to europe
[05:02] <deFrysk> insomnia
[05:02] <icu> hmm lemme see
[05:03] <baHam> deFrysk, Back to italy.. to germany.. to holland..
[05:03] <LeeColleton> whenever my computer is "thinking" if I move the mouse it jerks wildly about the screen, clicking things at random.  when idle the mouse moves smoothly.  can I fix this?
[05:03] <icu> yup
[05:03] <Aan23433> baham, also unless you are a guy who's a gay and your father likes to have a grandkid, you should be okay in revealing your porn collection..
[05:03] <deFrysk> ic
[05:03] <baHam> deFrysk, cannabis pwns :>
[05:03] <icu> when I grep ps it's there
[05:03] <deFrysk> baHam, not for me
[05:03] <baHam> Aan23433, I am not gay ;)
[05:04] <xskoulax> lol @ Aan23433 
[05:04] <baHam> Aan23433, it's embarassing..
[05:04] <icu> paulproteus: any ideas cause i'm lost here. I don't know what nfs has anything to do with rpc.
[05:04] <baHam> Aan23433, and its not moral..
[05:05] <jdub> dudes, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[05:05] <Krypt0n> baHam: wow, that bizarreSK guy has some really nice art! thanks for hooking me up! :)
[05:05] <xskoulax> ok i know from yesterday that i need to add my wep key in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i add it, wep thenthekey?
[05:06] <baHam> jdub, sorry :) 
[05:06] <baHam> Krypt0n, yea, I love his artwork
[05:06] <Krypt0n> very nice indeed
[05:06] <jdub> xskoulax: wireless_key s:string
[05:06] <ubuntugeek> baHam: yes :)
[05:06] <baHam> jdub, can I pm you, please?
[05:06] <jdub> xskoulax: or wireless_key <hex>
[05:06] <xskoulax> wohoo jdub
[05:06] <atariboy> who deals with the installer for Ubuntu?
[05:06] <paulproteus> Remote Procedure Call.  It's the service in the kernel that's used to implement NFS.
[05:06] <jdub> atariboy: Kamion, but reports to ubuntu-users would be appreciated
[05:07] <atariboy> jdub: i'm new. what is that?
[05:07] <atariboy> mailing list?
[05:07] <jdub> yes
[05:07] <Skif> jdub: where's that documented?  I don't see it in interfaces(5)...
[05:07] <icu> paulproteus: Hmm, same error when I try to connect to a comp not serving nfs, seems like it just can't connect.
[05:07] <atariboy> isn't there something more optimal than a mailing list?
[05:07] <jdub> Skif: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
[05:08] <jdub> atariboy: for what?
[05:08] <Skif> hrm...
[05:08] <atariboy> filing bugs etc
[05:08] <jdub> Skif: wireless-tools adds a little helper to do it
[05:08] <baHam> jdub, where can I find Dafydd from the Translations team ?
[05:08] <baHam> Skif, /etc/network/interfaces
[05:08] <baHam> Skif, man interfaces
[05:09] <Davey-> lol wow people are on the same topic as I was about to ask
[05:09] <jdub> atariboy: if it's a concise bug report, instead of an install report, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <Skif> baHam: I know, I've been a DD for, oh, 4 years now? :)
[05:09] <icu> paulproteus: what ports does nfsd use?
[05:09] <paulproteus> icu: I think the answer is in /etc/exports.
[05:09] <Davey-> the installer SAYS it autoconfigured yet I cant ping anything
[05:09] <Davey-> lol
[05:09] <jdub> baHam: daf == dafydd, who does indeed come from wales
[05:09] <atariboy> ah. thanks Jdub
[05:09] <paulproteus> I'd be more helpful, but I have to do some reading for tomorrow's class.
[05:09] <Skif> baHam: I didn't see the wireless_key in there, that's all
[05:09] <jdub> Skif: (the imporant bits are here: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools)
[05:10] <baHam> jdub, I need to talk to him.. is he usually on IRC?
[05:10] <jdub> baHam: daf is on channel.
[05:11] <baHam> jdub, sorry.. didnt see him.. I'm tired :|
[05:11] <Skif> jdub: ah, so an entry in interfaces defines IF_$entry, then... good to know
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: pretty rad
[05:12] <Hmmmmm_> anyone unhappy with warty yet?
[05:12] <whiprush> anyone try thom's NetworkManager packages yet?
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: bridge-utils does similar trickery
[05:12] <Rene_S> Cant say that I am displeased with it
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: *really* handy
[05:13] <Rene_S> Does what  I need it to do, wich isnt much anyhow 
[05:13] <Skif> jdub: nifty-- you can use that to define all kinds of custom behaviours for an interface
[05:13] <icu> paulproteus: this is one line: /               192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,sync)
[05:13] <icu> and i'm accessing from 192.168.0.149
[05:17] <icu> paulproteus: any idea?
[05:17] <jdub> icu: perhaps some hosts.allow action for portmap would help
[05:17] <jdub> icu: you've got nfs-common?
[05:17] <jdub> on both machines?
[05:17] <icu> ya
[05:18] <icu> what do I put in hosts.allow for everything?
[05:18] <icu> to allow all
[05:18] <jdub> icu: read the comment right there :)
[05:20] <icu> jdub: i added ALL:ALL and there was no dif
[05:20] <mdz> icu: you need to edit /etc/default/portmap
[05:21] <mdz> by default it listens only on localhost
[05:21] <paulproteus> mdz from flac-dev?
[05:21] <paulproteus> icu: Please add your experiences to the Wiki once this works.
[05:21] <GOwin> hi all. anyone using xfce as default desktop gui?
[05:21] <mdz> paulproteus: the same
[05:22] <paulproteus> mdz: Ah.  Then, hi. :)
[05:22] <xyz359> Hrm, quick question. I want to install totem-xine. Ubuntu though, says that I need to remove ubuntu-desktop. Is this safe?
[05:22] <mdz> hi
[05:22] <icu> k
[05:22] <icu> which section and where?
[05:22] <mdz> paulproteus: now you know why I haven't gotten anything done on flac lately :-)
[05:22] <jdub> boh
[05:22] <Skif> xyz359: yes
[05:22] <Mitario> lo everyone
[05:22] <mdz> icu: just comment out the ARGS
[05:22] <mdz> I'll add something to the FAQ now
[05:22] <xyz359> Skif, thanks for the confirmation.
[05:23] <xyz359> gstreamer just isn't very stable at the moment.
[05:23] <paulproteus> mdz: I'm thinking of teaching an Switching-to-Linux-from-Windows mini-course over three weeks, and having all the students use Ubuntu.
[05:23] <icu> thank you mdz: that worked, such a simple thing but so difficult to find the solution
[05:24] <icu> still need me to add something to the wiki?
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> paulproteus, that's a good idea
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> u can give the ma complimentary copy of the lived CD
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> so they can practice without installing
[05:24] <TheMuso> Hmmmmm_: Even better, an install CD as well.
[05:25] <mdz> paulproteus: nice!
[05:26] <paulproteus> BTW, is gaim 1.0.2 in Ubuntu release?  Because earlier versions have a security bug.
[05:26] <mdz> icu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/nfs-server
[05:26] <mdz> icu: how does that look?
[05:26] <paulproteus> (And, BTW, Ubuntu is a wonderful thing for the world.)
[05:26] <Hmmmmm_> TheMuso, that kinda goes without saying
[05:26] <TheMuso> True that. :)
[05:26] <Hmmmmm_> paulproteus, good thing they'r getting started with gnome 2.8
[05:26] <icu> perfect mdz, absolutely
[05:27] <Rene_S> woot 2 hours in and nothing has crashed .... so long windows ......
[05:28] <TheMuso> Damn piece of D-Link hardware.
[05:28] <paulproteus> mdz: If you or Ubuntu would like to provide some ideas for the course, I'd be very very happy to discuss it.
[05:28] <paulproteus> I've been using GNU/Linux for half a decade now, so I forget what Windows users want. ;)
[05:29] <LeeColleton> I'm getting this message "psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away.
[05:29] <icu> is there a gnome equivalent to kmenc15?
[05:29] <LeeColleton> the mouse get's jerky when this happens.
[05:29] <phin> mouse jerky?
[05:29] <phin> mmm sounds good
[05:29] <Rene_S> ewww
[05:29] <LeeColleton> I've tried changing the XF86Config-4 line with ImPS2 to PS2 but it doesn't help
[05:30] <jdub> icu: what is 'kmenc15'? a learning tool for vitamin salespeople? :)
[05:30] <icu> a kde front end to mencoder
[05:30] <jdub> dunno
[05:30] <jdub> dvd::rip?
[05:31] <icu> for anything other than ripping dvds it's useless
[05:31] <icu> and even at that it's quite tempermental
[05:31] <TheMuso> Speaking of DVDs, what are the prices of double layer DVDs like overseas? I.E not in Australia?
[05:32] <TheMuso> Blanks that is.
[05:33] <gelfling> hello people ^_^
[05:33] <cothrun> howdy
[05:33] <TheMuso> Hi
[05:34] <mdz> LeeColleton: IRQ conflict?
[05:34] <cothrun> I'm going to dual boot ubuntu with XP, I already have partitions sliced out, anything special I'm going to have to do to accomodate Windows?
[05:35] <gelfling> cothrun, I've done the same on my laptop
[05:36] <cothrun> I should clarify, Windows is already on there...
[05:37] <gelfling> I have a /boot / and swap with /boot as the first and flagged bootable. All went very well for me and the ubuntu install found windows and added it to grub for me
[05:37] <cothrun> ok
[05:37] <paulproteus> mdz: Also, someone reported earlier in the channel is ISA SB16 doesn't get detected, for what it's worth.
[05:37] <mdz> paulproteus: yeah, we don't really try for ISA
[05:37] <mdz> only isapnp
[05:38] <TheMuso> mdz: According to the user, it was plug and play, but that was going by what Windows stated. :)
[05:38] <icu> oh ya to get an isa sb16 working you need to put isapnp=0 in the parameter line
[05:38] <TheMuso> Something tells me that it wasn't.
[05:38] <icu> it was a bitch finding that out
[05:38] <TheMuso> Maybe for a future release, is an ISA bus is detected, that parameter should be added.
[05:39] <gelfling> cothrun: i know there was a bug with grub writing to the mbr regardless of what you asked for on like sounder 7 or earlier but i think thats been fixed
[05:39] <TheMuso> And I am pretty sure that the ISA bus actually appears in the list of PCI items when lspci is run.
[05:39] <Lathiat> TheMuso: the Bus sometimes does, the cards wont of course
[05:40] <paulproteus> icu: Psst, get mdz to put that in a FAQ somewhere ;-)
[05:40] <mdz> put it on the wiki and let it stew for a bit
[05:41] <cothrun> thanks gelfling! I'm diving into the installation right now
[05:41] <cothrun> is this the new debian installer? familiar, yet very slick so far
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> cothrun, i dont think that's debian's installer's new avatar
[05:43] <gelfling> hmmm, dont know about that cothrun. Its ALOT easier than the debian install though
[05:44] <icu> mdz: how can I edit the wiki says i'm not allowed
[05:44] <gelfling> anyone played with madwifi?
[05:44] <paulproteus> icu: Just create a user account.
[05:44] <paulproteus> Info on the front page.
[05:44] <cothrun> yeah, only the partitioning stuff, its autodetecting everything else
[05:45] <Lathiat> anyone know a program for X11 that will slideshow a bunch of jpgs?
[05:45] <cothrun> of course, I had to go through the partition part twice, as I didn't set a root partition, but it caught that and pointed me in the right direction
[05:45] <paulproteus> It's the new debian installer mostly stock, with some stuff made easier (like sudo vs. su).
[05:46] <jdub> Lathiat: gthumb, feh
[05:47] <cothrun> ah, it detected XP and asked me... heres the reboot
[05:47] <cothrun> (as if you guys wanted a play by play...)
[05:48] <paulproteus> cothrun: I'm not watching the game, so I need some excitement.
[05:48] <tomas99> hi, where do i permanently change the locale vars?
[05:48] <cothrun> hey, looks like XP survived
[05:48] <Zindar> tomas99: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:49] <gelfling> YAY! now you too can run ubuntu or play dawn of war!
[05:49] <cothrun> hey! 2.6 kernel
[05:49] <ukasz> I am setting a font in gvim by menu, (font is Courier 10 pitch), anybody knows the name of that font so I can write this to .gvimrc ?
[05:49] <gelfling>  nifty huh
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> can we apt-get dashboard into warty?
[05:51] <tomas99> Zindar, it doesn't change them when i type locale in terminal, i still see "C" for each of them
[05:51] <Zindar> tomas99: logout and in again
[05:52] <tomas99> i'll try, but i think i did it earlier and it didnt work
[05:52] <Zindar> it doesn
[05:52] <Zindar> trust me
[05:53] <Zindar> does
[05:53] <Zindar> sorry
[05:53] <tomas99> can i add lines myself to  /etc/locale.gen  ?
[05:54] <mdz> paulproteus: the installer is actually significantly modified in terms of which questions are asked and when
[05:54] <mdz> tomas99: yes, but it's easier to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:54] <tomas99> all it did was to add my character set to  /etc/locale.gen
[05:54] <tomas99> i.e. i only have one line in  /etc/locale.gen now
[05:54] <mdz> tomas99: locale.gen sets which locales are generated
[05:54] <mdz> it doesn't change your default locale
[05:55] <mdz> that's set in /etc/environment
[05:55] <tomas99> how do i add LC_CTYPE etc to  /etc/locale.gen  ?
[05:55] <tomas99> oh
[05:55] <int2004> hello world!
[05:55] <tomas99> so can i edit /etc/enviornment for LC_CTYPE etc?
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> hello
[05:56] <paulproteus> int2004: Hello wrl0d!
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> :)
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> lot of ppl in :)
[05:56] <tomas99> i'm gonna try and logout... brb
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> well gtg... work
[05:57] <int2004> im trying linux seriously for the first time in 4 years, and im choosing ubuntu as the test distro, im wondering if anyone can tour on using the live version for hardware diagnostics
[05:58] <Lathiat> jdub: huzzah, sweet, thanks :) didn't know it existed :)
[05:59] <int2004> take into consideration that my last experience with linux was 4 years ago with corel linux (i think it was debian but not sure, was very very graphical...)
[05:59] <Lathiat> haha i started with corel linux in 2001
[05:59] <Lathiat> not for very long
[05:59] <meff> when hoary opens up, will it be getting security updates at near the same time as warty?
[05:59] <Lathiat> i found my way through redhat to debain in like 2 months :P
[06:01] <gelfling> wowa, it already knows about my wifi card! ROCK!
[06:01] <paulproteus> gelfling: What card?
[06:01] <bronson> I love that the installer automatically picks up the wifi card and installs over it.
[06:01] <bronson> That used to be such a chore.
[06:02] <tomas99> thanks, it worked
[06:02] <gelfling> netgear WG511T
[06:02] <int2004> I was trying to lear linux seen what the future will be like, and it came free with -cant remember" mag on that time, later i downloaded the 1.2, but ended testing a Solaris 8 for x86 and linux was simple left behind...
[06:03] <meff> solaris for x86 is a joke
[06:03] <aitrus> slowaris
[06:03] <int2004> now i feel that its time i catch up on linux, and after seen live distros, Im seriously considering using them for hardware diagnostics on windows Pcs :p
[06:03] <Lathiat> meff: heh
[06:03] <Lathiat> it really does suck
[06:03] <Lathiat> gelfling: hmm your netgear card works? last one i tried didnt work
[06:03] <IEEE234> hi
[06:04] <int2004> totally right.. it sucked BIG time, terrible GUI, iincredible slow, they only good part the one i used had was the FREE Oracle 8 licence we get on that moment :)
[06:04] <cothrun> hey thanks gelfling and all, this was a very nice install, I'm up and running in X
[06:04] <gelfling> Lathiat: well it comes up in iwconfig, BUT i dont have any wifi networks to connect to at work
[06:05] <Lathiat> gelfling: yeh the one i tried woudltn detect it at all
[06:05] <gelfling> WOHOO! glad to hear it cothrun :)
[06:05] <int2004> but business throw me into windows realm for 3 years... and after several worm-virus-XP problems im trying to find my way out to linux :D
[06:06] <int2004> back to the point, is there any app on linux (ubunto 4.10...) that i can use to fully diagnose a PC?
[06:07] <gelfling> Lathiat: I got lucky I guess, I didn't check to see if it was supported in linux, is an atheros card (i think, I could be getting 2 different things confused here)
[06:07] <meff> int2004: look into www.sysresccd.org
[06:07] <int2004> ty!, will check it!
[06:08] <meff> int2004: it has many diagnostic tools and recovery thingies
[06:08] <gelfling> Lathiat: what was the card you tried? was it a netgear aswell?
[06:09] <Lathiat> gelfling: yeh neatgear something
[06:09] <Lathiat> my normal orinoco is fine
[06:09] <Lathiat> just i didnt have it with me one time and tried someone elses
[06:09] <cothrun> hmm, didn't detect wireless, but from what I've read about this laptop it doesn't surprise me
[06:09] <gelfling> only thing I dont like abou the card is no port for pigtail
[06:09] <meff> int2004: as far as diagnostics it dont get much better than sysresccd.. ubuntu live is (iirc) just a live desktop, its not focused on diagnostics..
[06:09] <Lathiat> cothrun: You probably have one of the unusual chipsets
[06:09] <Lathiat> gelfling: heh yeh
[06:10] <bronson> What's the default root password during an install?
[06:10] <Lathiat> cothrun: miht be able to get it oging with one of the external drivers
[06:10] <bronson> My computer crashed and now I need to run "apt-get install -a"
[06:10] <int2004> thats what I wanted to clarify
[06:10] <bronson> But I don't know how to log in as root!
[06:10] <Lathiat> There is no root password
[06:10] <int2004> and i think sysresccd will worht a try :)
[06:10] <cothrun> yeah, its some dell chipset, I read about someone getting it to work with debian at some point
[06:10] <cothrun> but wireless isn't a big deal now, will deal with that later
[06:10] <meff> int2004: however if you install ubuntu there are many diagnostic tools in universe
[06:11] <gelfling> bronson: you dont have one
[06:11] <meff> int2004: but as far as a cd to carry around, go with sysresccd
[06:11] <bronson> Lathiat: there's something.  It won't accept an empty password.
[06:11] <int2004> ty very much
[06:11] <Lathiat> bronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:11] <meff> np
[06:11] <gelfling> bronson: use sudo and the password from the user you made in the install
[06:11] <Lathiat> int2004: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:11] <bronson> gelfling: it hasn't made the user yet.
[06:11] <bronson> It crashed when setting the timezone.
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: Oh in that case youll need to boot of the cd
[06:12] <KeyserSoze> hello
[06:12] <bronson> Flaky battery on the laptop.
[06:12] <mdz> KeyserSoze: which jre are you using?
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: Youc ould just do the install over again, probably easiest...
[06:12] <gelfling> yeah what Lathiat said
[06:12] <bronson> Good lord I hope not.
[06:12] <bronson> It's taken me 3 hours to get this far.
[06:12] <bronson> It's an old laptop with an awful CDROM drive.
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: oh well in that case
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: boot of the cd
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: goto the debug console (alt+f2)
[06:13] <KeyserSoze> mdz: the oracle one
[06:13] <Lathiat> mount your filesystem
[06:13] <KeyserSoze> 1.4.2
[06:13] <Lathiat> chroot to it and passwd root
[06:13] <bronson> Lathiat: got it.
[06:13] <mdz> KeyserSoze: there are several 1.4.2 JVMs, and i don't have a copy of oracle
[06:13] <mdz> KeyserSoze: java -version
[06:13] <bronson> Thanks.
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: know how to do all that?
[06:13] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: can you send mdz a copy or something?
[06:13] <Lathiat> i assumed your a bit of a technical person there
[06:14] <Lathiat> probably a bad assumption around here :)
[06:14] <bronson> Yeah, it all makes sense.
[06:14] <int2004> well, gotta run, thank you very much for the information!
[06:14] <mdz> fabbione: I'm fairly certain that would be illegal
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: yay :)
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> java version "1.4.2"
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-b28)
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: youll probably have to run the first step of the installer to pickup your ide devices
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-b28, mixed mode)
[06:14] <bronson> The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why I can't log in as root during the install!
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: but none of the actual installing
[06:14] <fabbione> mdz: i am not 100% sure...
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> thats what comes with the oracle installer
[06:14] <fabbione> mdz: there were some oracle versions that you could download for free (at least sometime ago)
[06:15] <KeyserSoze> there is a free one you can download and test
[06:15] <mdz> looks like the Sun JVM
[06:15] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: url?
[06:15] <KeyserSoze> yeah it is
[06:16] <bronson> Is there any reason Ubuntu prevents me from logging in as root during the install?
[06:16] <mdz> KeyserSoze: do you get the error if you run simple java programs, or only from oracle?
[06:16] <bronson> That seems very arbitrary to me.
[06:16] <KeyserSoze> haven't tried anything else
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> don't have anything else with me
[06:17] <mdz> KeyserSoze: try hello world, and work up from there
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: ubuntu doesn't have a password on the root account by default
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: this is all in the FAQ; use sudo in your normal account instead.
[06:17] <bronson> bob2: I understand that.
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> but if you look up that error on usenet or google you'll see a bunch of people get it with alot of stuff... not just oracle install
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: if you insist on setting a password, "sudo passwd".
[06:17] <mdz> KeyserSoze: I didn't think Oracle had a Linux/amd64 product; is this the Linux/i386 version?
[06:17] <bronson> bob2: I just don't understand why.
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> they do have a amd64
[06:17] <bronson> (during the install)
[06:18] <mdz> bronson: there's nothing specific to the install
[06:18] <mdz> bronson: you can't login as root because no root password is set
[06:19] <bronson> mdz: but is that intentional?
[06:19] <bob2> bronson: yes.
[06:19] <bob2> bronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:19] <bronson> bob2: that page explains how to work around it, but not the reasoning behind it.
[06:19] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that's like 3 CD
[06:19] <bronson> I'm asking "why", not "what" or "how"...
[06:19] <mdz> bronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:20] <cothrun> does 'universe' roughly correspond to debian's unstable?
[06:20] <mdz> cothrun: yes
[06:20] <Eno_> what is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[06:20] <Eno_> more packages?
[06:20] <bob2> Eno_: multiverse is non-free
[06:20] <Eno_> ah
[06:20] <bronson> mdz: thanks!  That explains why.  :)
[06:21] <LeeColleton> bronson: you can open a console as root during an install by hitting ALT + F2
[06:21] <bronson> Makes sense to me.
[06:21] <bronson> LeeColleton: Not after the computer reboots and the install continues.
[06:21] <mdz> KeyserSoze, fabbione: you set LC_ALL=C and it still happens?
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: yes
[06:22] <fabbione> we also tried with env -i 
[06:22] <mdz> that line that KeyserSoze pasted looked like multiple lines joined together
[06:22] <mdz> is that the exact output?
[06:22] <KeyserSoze> mdz: tried all env vars already
[06:22] <KeyserSoze> mdz: its apparently a glib problem
[06:22] <fabbione> brb
[06:22] <mdz> KeyserSoze: you mean glibc?
[06:23] <KeyserSoze> yes
[06:24] <fabbione> re
[06:25] <KeyserSoze> yo
[06:26] <KeyserSoze> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=slrnaj906b.1e8.garrett%40eagle.cs.colostate.edu
[06:26] <mdz> KeyserSoze: if it were a glibc problem, it would likely affect all other gettext-using programs as well
[06:27] <mdz> KeyserSoze: I assume you don't get any warnings when you run "perl -e ''" ?
[06:27] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that looks like java <-> locale problem
[06:29] <witigonen> Hey all.  For those of you that were around when I was asking about my hard drive... I rebooted and it works fine now, luckily.
[06:29] <witigonen> Anyway, I've got some more questions if anybody could please help me with them.
[06:30] <KeyserSoze> sigh
[06:30] <TheMuso> witigonen: Fire away.
[06:31] <bronson> After giving it some thought, I agree with Ubuntu's sudo model.
[06:31] <bronson> I think it's the right way to go.
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: >> It's a issue with the locales not being installed or set up correctly.
[06:31] <witigonen> Thanks, TheMuso.  I guess my first question right now is how I can edit keyboard shortcuts- I have a Logitech keyboard and would like to be able to use the multimedia keys.  Is there a way I can do this aside from using the xmms-itouch plugin, or is that the best way for me to do it?
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i would try to reconfigure the locales
[06:31] <bronson> I just wish that root had a password up until the very last step of the install so I didn't have to reboot off CD back there.
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: tell the debconf question to NOT generate any locale
[06:31] <mdz> KeyserSoze: did you try that perl command?
[06:31] <TheMuso> witigonen: I think GNOME has a tool to do it. Not sure where it is though.
[06:32] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: and reboot (yeah yeah) to be sure that none of them is loaded for a mistake or something
[06:32] <witigonen> TheMuso, yes, that's what I remember from FC2 but I can't seem to find it.  I'll keep looking, though.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> sorry
[06:33] <jdub> witigonen: computer > desktop preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[06:33] <ions> anyone know the name of the cursor theme in ubuntu?
[06:33] <jdub> ions: 'default'
[06:33] <KeyserSoze> mdz: yeah no problem
[06:33] <ions> hmmm
[06:34] <mdz> KeyserSoze: where did LANG=en_US.UTF-8 come from?
[06:34] <ions> well I want it for my Gentoo install
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that's a strange error i saw only once...
[06:34] <KeyserSoze> beats me
[06:34] <jdub> ions: (also, industrial)
[06:34] <LapTop006> jdub: your bluetooth packages seem to depend on libraries not in warty
[06:34] <Rene_S> Im gonna name my first born that -- Default
[06:34] <KeyserSoze> I didn't select that
[06:34] <jdub> LapTop006: they depend on packages in universe
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: can you try to: apt-get --reinstall install locales ?
[06:34] <ions> cool , thanks jdub!
[06:34] <mdz> KeyserSoze: you got no output from perl -e '', but dpkg-reconfigure locales output perl errors?
[06:34] <witigonen> jdub, thanks so much.  Let's see if I can get this working- I never could under FC2.
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: and than: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> k
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> mdz: exactly
[06:35] <LapTop006> and I'm on 64k till this evening to the 100MB warty upgrade is bad enough...
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: ok that worked
[06:36] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: try to install oracle now
[06:36] <KeyserSoze> trying
[06:36] <fabbione> i wonder if you are unlucky or there is a bug somewhere
[06:36] <Dashiva> i get that installing debian too
[06:36] <Dashiva> haven't been able to fix it
[06:36] <Dashiva> hasn't caused any problems though
[06:37] <KeyserSoze> same error from oracle
[06:37] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i am not too familiar with locales.. 
[06:37] <fabbione> but i would definitly logout and login again
[06:38] <fabbione> at least to reset the "counters"
[06:38] <witigonen> I have surround sound speakers but only the front are having any noise, how can I change this?
[06:38] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: yeah I tried from a whole new session
[06:39] <witigonen> I do have a webcam that has a built-in mic plugged in to a USB port... that might be a problem.
[06:39] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: env -i <installer>=
[06:39] <fabbione> ?
[06:39] <TheMuso> witigonen: What is your sound card?
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, nForce2 integrated Dolby Digital 5.1 (Asus A7n8x-deluxe motherboard).
[06:40] <TheMuso> Do you have the ALSA or OSS driver loaded for it?
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, Volume Control is telling me Alsa.
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> mdz: that LANG=en_US.UTF-8 comes from /etc/environment
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, the USB audio driver (which I am assuming is the webcam) is using OSS, however.
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> cat /etc/environment
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_US:en"
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> LANG=en_US
[06:41] <TheMuso> Ok/ What do you have in /proc/asound?
[06:41] <witigonen> TheMuso, there was a item called Duplicate Front in Volume Control that I unmuted (just found it) and the rear speakers are now duplicating the front's sound.
[06:42] <TheMuso> Ok. Does surround sound actually work properly though?
[06:42] <Amroc> GRRRRR
[06:42] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: evn -i LC_ALL=C <installer>
[06:42] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have no idea.  I kind of doubt it.  I'm not quite sure how I could test that.  If you could help to get it working properly, that would be absolutely amazing.
[06:42] <Amroc> lamont, ubuntu hates me!
[06:42] <fabbione> that should kill all possible external environment vras about locale
[06:43] <TheMuso> witigonen: Ok. Do you know anything you can run or play that may give you surround sound?
[06:43] <witigonen> (I'm hearing this high-pitched hissing sound through my speakers when they're not in use, and sometimes when I'm watching movies, this was present even in the Linux installer but not in Windows- any ideas on that?  Lesser priority)
[06:43] <Amroc> lamont, why does it hate me so?
[06:43] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have some DVDs, I think, though I'm not quite sure where I would go in them to fully test it.
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> tried that already
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: dunno.  what are you trying to do again?>
[06:44] <dewey> ok now my ubuntu install will not let me login to it after I tried to get k3b installed so I can burn isos?
[06:44] <witigonen> Interesting, the volume key changes the fade.
[06:44] <Amroc> i think that purple cd you gave me is broke lamont 
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> trying again
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: could be.
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: I have LiveCD image and an install image that I can give yo
[06:44] <lamont> u
[06:45] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: not with LC_ALL=C
[06:45] <TheMuso> witigonen: Regarding the hissing, I think there has been a bit of trouble getting deacent drivers written for that chipset, but I am not sure whether this would have anything to do with the driver or not. How high is your volume turned up?
[06:45] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: we tested only env -i
[06:45] <Amroc> lamont, i tried to install it like 4 times, each time the phiehp.ko and shpch.ko both fzcked up and said fatal errors
[06:45] <bronson> WOW.
[06:45] <witigonen> TheMuso, speaker volume has always been very low.  But, like I said, it's not important, I usually have things playing.
[06:45] <lamont> Amroc: yeah - prolly bad burn
[06:45] <bronson> How did Ubuntu know to put "acpi=off" in by boot params?
[06:45] <bronson> That's impressive.
[06:46] <lamont> Amroc: will get you a good liveCD in any case.
[06:46] <lamont> should even work with your *(^) NIC
[06:46] <witigonen> TheMuso, are you still interested in knowing the contents of /proc/asound?
[06:46] <bronson> Amroc: are you talking about those 2 messages on boot saying "invalid module" or somesuch?
[06:46] <TheMuso> Yes I am actually.
[06:47] <bronson> If so, those appear to be harmless.
[06:47] <Amroc> im not sure what it was, all i know is that both those said fatal error on start up... and it didnt want to work bronson
[06:47] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have: card0, cards, devices, modules, nForce2, oss, pcm, seq, timers and version.
[06:47] <Amroc> lamont, you mean it will sense my net card this time?
[06:47] <lamont> should
[06:47] <bronson> Amroc: so it died immediately after printing those?
[06:47] <bronson> If so, then yeah, that's bad.
[06:47] <TheMuso> Ok I know what is going on here, and it is REALLY messy. I am even thinkin go lodging a bug about it.
[06:48] <bronson> My machine prints those 2 messages and then finishes booting fine.
[06:48] <witigonen> Really... Well, I'm ready to get gritty.
[06:48] <bronson> That's right after it says "Configuring Hotplug" right?
[06:48] <TheMuso> When hotplug sees your USB device, for some weird reason, it loads the OSS audio driver, before the snd-usb-audio driver gets loaded.
[06:48] <witigonen> I see.
[06:48] <Amroc> bronson, it got into the desktop, there was a 1inch by 1 inch grey fuzzy box like on a broken tv, and after like 2 minutes it would SLOW down to like .02 fps (updating every like 10 seconds)
[06:49] <TheMuso> What I would suggest you do, is add audio to your /etc/hotplug/blacklist file, and whenever you boot up, your USB sound/mic or whatever it is will be controlled by ALSA.
[06:49] <witigonen> TheMuso, that sounds very nice.
[06:49] <lamont> Amroc: actually, would be interested in seeing if my new liveCD image boots and detects your network card..
[06:49] <bronson> Amroc: no visible desktop right?  Just a gray rectangle?
[06:49] <lamont> otoh, would need to do that tomorrow.
[06:49] <Amroc> its hard to explain, its in the boot up process where it messed up, i had a desk top, but it had a 1x1 gry rectange on it just to the right of the center of the screen
[06:49] <witigonen> TheMuso, so just throw in 'audio' somewhere in the blacklist file?
[06:50] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: any luck?
[06:50] <bronson> Amroc: this is well before X tries to launch?
[06:50] <TheMuso> witigonen: At the end would be best I think.
[06:50] <witigonen> TheMuso, Thank you.
[06:50] <TheMuso> Then what I also suggest, is to rmmod audio, and modprobe snd-usb-audio
[06:50] <TheMuso> This will bring the device under ALSA control immediately.
[06:51] <Amroc> bronson, you know how it does the gry text on a black screen load up? then goes into log in screen,  its in the gry text part. i can log in just fine, and then it messes up
[06:51] <lamont> bronson: he's also running a very old, pretty raw livecd
[06:51] <witigonen> The module is in use, what's the best way to fix that?
[06:51] <lamont> witigonen: kill the app that's using it?
[06:51] <bronson> Hm.  Any idea of whether it's X screwing up or not?
[06:51] <TheMuso> witigonen: Type lsmod | grep audio and let me know what you get.
[06:51] <Amroc> lamont, this is from the purple disk that you gave me and eric
[06:51] <xskoulax> how can i view running services i can't see anything with top or system monitor?
[06:51] <Amroc> lamont, the one from last week
[06:51] <lamont> Amroc: was that install or liveCD?
[06:51] <Amroc> lamont, install
[06:52] <lamont> ah, that's RC
[06:52] <TheMuso> lamont: There is also a chance that another module needs it, but I doubt it.
[06:52] <Amroc> lamont, and why wernt you at jujistu tonight? we did katas
[06:52] <TheMuso> witigonen: Try lamont's suggestion first.
[06:52] <lamont> also a bit old - could be just bad burn.
[06:52] <lamont> Amroc: stuck in some fire training that I must makeup before month end
[06:52] <bronson> Amroc: maybe you could try hitting F7 (I think -- it's one of those Fs) at the first boot prompt and turning off the console.
[06:52] <witigonen> TheMuso, lamont, XMMS was the only thing I can think of that was using it, and it is gone now.
[06:52] <lamont> was hoping they'd lecture _first_, and I could leave when they got to skills.  they went the other direction
[06:52] <bronson> That might help.  The kernel console code is still flaky -- I had to turn it off today to get my install to finish.
[06:52] <TheMuso> witigonen: Ok try and unload the audio module.
[06:53] <bronson> Sorry, s/console/framebuffer/
[06:53] <Amroc> lamont, ill be the live cd guinea pig
[06:53] <witigonen> Same thing.
[06:53] <lamont> Amroc: cool
[06:54] <Chriffer> What is this about live CDs you are talking about?
[06:54] <TheMuso> witigonen: Hmmm. Ok try and do what I said earlier, and tell me what you get... lsmod | grep audio. You will get a few modules listed, but at least we can try and find out what is using your module.
[06:54] <witigonen> TheMuso, check your query window.
[06:56] <bronson> Amroc: I just looked it up.
[06:56] <bronson> Amroc: at boot, hit F7.
[06:56] <bronson> Type "linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false" to boot.
[06:56] <bronson> That turns off the framebuffer.
[06:57] <Amroc> Ohmer, for now, i say screw it, im glad to have a comp back after a week
[06:57] <bronson> At the very least, that should change whatever failure you're seeing.  If not, then it's got to be X related.
[06:57] <fabbione> hmm
[06:57] <fabbione> ops
[07:00] <Amroc> bronson, will that stop it from slowing down to 1degree kelvin (yes its taht slow basicly)
[07:01] <mdz> KeyserSoze: what was the outcome of that test?
[07:01] <bronson> Amroc: it's hard to tell, but from your description the problem sounds display related.
[07:01] <bronson> That would lead me to believe that it's either X or the framebuffer that's messing things up.
[07:01] <Amroc> oh
[07:01] <KeyserSoze> mdz: getting Xlib errors
[07:02] <KeyserSoze> (metacity:12023): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[07:02] <KeyserSoze> (metacity:12023): Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers
[07:02] <bronson> So, turning off the framebuffer removes one of the potential culprits.
[07:02] <speel> hey can some one help PLEASE im trying to install my cam drivers and i get this error make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/build: No such file or directory.  Stop. any ideas??
[07:02] <KeyserSoze> so I'm thinking it has something to do with X itself
[07:03] <witigonen> Okay!
[07:03] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: for curiosity... LC_ALL=en_DK
[07:03] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i don't see these errors with my locale
[07:03] <witigonen> TheMuso, I now get a soundcard misconfigured error when trying to play something in XMMS.
[07:04] <KeyserSoze> but you're on i386?
[07:04] <KeyserSoze> no?
[07:04] <TheMuso> witigonen: Check your messages window.
[07:05] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: well yes.. but it shouldn't make any difference
[07:06] <speel> =(
[07:08] <bronson> Seems like archive.ubuntu.com is holding up pretty well.
[07:08] <bronson> I was expecting it to stumble a bit after the slashdotting...
[07:10] <jdub> didn't get a real slashdot story
[07:10] <jdub> and it handled well when the preview went out
[07:11] <xskoulax> hello, how can i view running services i can't see anything with top or system monitor?
[07:12] <bronson> xskoulax: run "ps -ax" in a console?
[07:12] <xskoulax> thx bronson 
[07:20] <asubedi> has anyone got touchpad working with synaptic driver (tapping, scrolling, etc.)?
[07:21] <jdub> should work by default
[07:22] <TheMuso> I have a touchpad, but don't use it. I must try that though, I was thinking the same thing the other day.
[07:22] <asubedi> jdub: it's not working by default; although, i installed in my friend's laptop and there Everything Just Works (tm)
[07:22] <TheMuso> asubedi: What sort of laptop have you got?
[07:23] <asubedi> TheMuso: Sony Vaio PCG GRX500
[07:23] <jba> hi guys
[07:23] <asubedi> also, i expected sonypi to be automatically loaded
[07:24] <jba> is anybody else in here getting the X cursor in the middle of their screen after login into ubuntu?
[07:24] <TheMuso> asubedi: What functionality does sonypi give you
[07:24] <jba> it usually disappears after 5 minutes (for no apparent) reason, but is alwasy there on next restart
[07:25] <RuffianSoldier> God i love Ubuntu
[07:25] <asubedi> TheMuso: jog dail
[07:25] <jba> yes it is good
[07:25] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[07:25] <Ubuntu> Hey
[07:25] <Ubuntu> Im now known as Ubuntu, and i have this name registered
[07:25] <Ubuntu> AHAHAHAHAH!
[07:25] <TheMuso> Ubuntu: Who cares? :)
[07:25] <Ubuntu> Its because i created Ubuntu
[07:25] <elmaya> lol
[07:26] <aitrus> that joke wasn't funny the first time you told it in here
[07:26] <Ubuntu> Now, whenever anyone says ubuntu, it will draw my attention
[07:26] <Ubuntu> ahahah
[07:28] <jba> so guys, has anyone else experieneced my problem ?
[07:29] <TheMuso> jba: I think this problem has come up a fair bit. You might want to look on the mailing list archives, or the wiki. It has previously been discussed in here as well I think.
[07:30] <jba> cool thanks TheMuso, searching mailing list now, but nothing in the faq
[07:30] <Skif> witigonen: go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:30] <Skif> You can set up various multimedia keys with that
[07:30] <Skif> jdub: coulda sworn I said that :)
[07:30] <Skif> Amroc: ubuntu is love
[07:30] <Skif> Amroc: I gave Glen Foster a good install CD; you could get it from him if you go by, maybe
[07:30] <Skif> Amroc: did it continue to boot after those gave the warnings?
[07:30] <Skif> Amroc: try the torrent in the /title
[07:34] <speel> hey is there a gui tool for apache?
[07:35] <aitrus> firefox
[07:35] <aitrus> ;-)
[07:35] <speel> lol
[07:36] <aitrus> apache is best configured by hand
[07:36] <aitrus> it's easy
[07:36] <aitrus> the config file is well documented
[07:36] <jba> guys who do i need to speak to about getting them to include pptpconfig (and a later version of pptp) included in the warty repo?
[07:37] <KeyserSoze> can anyone confirm for me that they can run a java app under ubuntu on amd64 using either blackdown or sun jre please?
[07:37] <jba> they're currently using a really old version of pptp (1.3.1) and debian has had 1.5.0 for  a while
[07:38] <KeyserSoze> any java app whatsoever
[07:39] <jdub> jba: we froze in late june
[07:39] <jba> hey jdub
[07:39] <jba> the same jdub from planet.gnome ?
[07:39] <jdub> yes
[07:39] <TheMuso> lol
[07:39] <bronson> jba: I get that X cursor too.
[07:40] <jdub> cool, that's the desired effect ;)
[07:40] <bronson> It disappears whenever I drag a window.
[07:40] <jba> bronson, there is a fix on the net apparently
[07:40] <bronson> Reappears when waking the laptop back up after suspend to ram.
[07:40] <jba> jdub pptpclient is run by another fellow aussie, he's over at #pptp
[07:40] <bronson> Doesn't bother me enough for me to do something about.  ;)
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: KeyserSoze is getting the same problem on all jre.. but i need you to check if it is a local problem or not
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: can you give it a shot please?
[07:40] <KeyserSoze> he is?
[07:40] <jba> on freenode, he would really like to be able to get it into upstream ubuntu
[07:40] <bronson> jba: did you fix it?
[07:40] <KeyserSoze> ok
[07:40] <KeyserSoze> that makes me feel a bit better
[07:40] <jba> not on my ubuntu machine at, it's at home, will try tonight 
[07:41] <jdub> jba: that will most likely have to wait for Hoary
[07:41] <jba> bronson, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002102.html
[07:41] <jdub> jba: because it's in our supported list
[07:41] <jba> cool
[07:41] <jba> it's a great app
[07:41] <RuffianSoldier> i love it
[07:41] <RuffianSoldier> Mono is tight also
[07:41] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: how can I check?
[07:41] <jba> jdub, btw, is there a reason why gnome 2.8 doesn't have vpn connections in it's network configurator ?
[07:42] <bronson> jba: turn off the HW cursor??  That's a shame.
[07:42] <jdub> jba: no one has written that code yet :)
[07:42] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: there are alot of posts on usenet but no useful replies
[07:42] <jba> aah, thought it was taken out, but that must have been some fc2 specific code
[07:42] <jba> bronson, what does the hw cursor actually do these days anyhow ?
[07:43] <speel> er how do u shut off apache
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight
[07:43] <jba> so jdub, what do you actually work on during the day ?
[07:43] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i need mdz to check on his amd64 box
[07:43] <bronson> jba: well, hm.  Not much I suppose.  :)
[07:43] <jdub> jba: ubuntu
[07:43] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: if it is a general java problem there is not much i can really do
[07:43] <bronson> It sure was important back in the mid-90s though!
[07:44] <calc> jdub: so how many downloads has ubuntu gotten so far?
[07:44] <jdub> hrm
[07:44] <asubedi> jdub: dmesg doesn't show anything about Synaptic Touchpad
[07:44] <jdub> dunno
[07:44] <jba> jdub, i meant as in to earn a living, does that mean you work 'for canonical' ?
[07:44] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: with 2 diff JREs?
[07:44] <speel> er how do u shut off apache
[07:44] <jba> speel there is an init script to shut it down isn't there?
[07:44] <jdub> jba: yes
[07:44] <jba> jdub, that's pretty cool
[07:45] <speel> yea but where lol
[07:45] <brooman> i'm new to ubuntu, coming from gentoo. how do i find the packaged ati drivers? i did a search in synaptic and didn't come up with anything. any ideas?
[07:46] <TheMuso> apt-cache search fglrx
[07:47] <speel> any one else knows how to shut off apache
[07:47] <TheMuso> Or search for fglrx in synaptec
[07:47] <TheMuso> speel: Is there an init script named something lie apache or httpd in /etc/init.d/?
[07:47] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: well... it's not like an impossible situation..
[07:47] <fabbione> but i agree that it is not normal
[07:47] <speel> leme check
[07:47] <punkass> /etc/init.d/apache stop
[07:47] <punkass> (i think)
[07:48] <punkass> or its /etc/init.d/httpd stop
[07:48] <brooman> TheMuso, thanks
[07:48] <speel> yea it was ./etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[07:49] <speel> thanks
[07:49] <speel> damn lol apache is still running tho
[07:50] <punkass> hmmm
[07:50] <speel> * Stopping web server (Apache2)...
[07:50] <speel> httpd (pid 18860?) not running      
[07:50] <punkass> but ps aux says it still is?
[07:51] <speel> yea
[07:52] <punkass> well you try and just kill the pid
[07:52] <punkass> *could try*
[07:52] <speel> o nvm i got it i had to be root to stop it
[07:52] <speel> i mean sudo
[07:53] <punkass> ah right
[07:53] <_ian> can ubuntu preserve existing partitions?  the install program shows just the disk (and 0 partitions) on two different computers
[07:55] <TheMuso> _ian: During the installer, there is the option to erase the hard disk, or partition manually. Did you get this?
[07:56] <_ian> yes
[07:56] <_ian> chose manually
[07:56] <TheMuso> And there weren't any partitions?
[07:56] <_ian> it shows the disk-- is it supposed to show partitions below it?  (I seem to remember seeing that in a screenshot somewhere?)
[07:57] <TheMuso> _ian: thats right.
[07:57] <_ian> ok, well, no partitions
[07:57] <TheMuso> _ian: What was previously installed on those machines?
[07:57] <_ian> slackware and windows on one computer
[07:57] <_ian> mandrake 10 on another
[07:57] <TheMuso> Can you still boot into either?
[07:58] <_ian> yes, I never comitted anything (and didn't install ubuntu)
[07:58] <bronson> FWIW, my laptop had a screwed up partition map that the Ubuntu partitioner couldn't handle.
[07:58] <bronson> So, I figured out how to bootstrap from Knoppix.  :)
[07:58] <TheMuso> I was just about to say the partition table may be shot. It may need something like Partition Magic to clean it up. However, I don't know of any free/open source alternative to PM.
[07:59] <bronson> qtparted?
[07:59] <TheMuso> Is qtpartd just the front-end or is that the entire program?
[07:59] <bronson> Boot knoppix, then run qtparted.
[07:59] <bronson> It's a front-end for parted.
[07:59] <bronson> (gnu parted?)
[08:00] <_ian> interesting you say that, because Fedora installer complained about the partition table and Partition Magic in Windows says it's messed too.  So I figured the partition table was just busted.  But then I tried installing on a different computer and it looked the same (no partitions shown)
[08:00] <bronson> Yeah, gnu parted: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
[08:00] <TheMuso> _ian: Did you check the partition table of the second machine?
[08:01] <_ian> no, I only had the ubuntu CD there and no Windows/PM
[08:01] <TheMuso> What was on the second machine?
[08:01] <_ian> that was the mandrake one
[08:01] <TheMuso> bronson: Do you know if there is a GTK front-end to gparted?
[08:01] <TheMuso> The partition table still could be shot though.
[08:01] <_ian> both machines have several reiserfs partitions
[08:02] <TheMuso> That is the only thing I can think of at this present time. If Ubuntu installer doesn't see anything, yet the machines are still able to boot into the operating systems on them, then yeah.
[08:02] <_ian> then it must be corrupted partition table?
[08:03] <TheMuso> _ian: I certainly wouldn't say that it certainly is, but there is a possibility that it is. If you have Knoppix handy, it has a tool on it called qtpartd that is supposedly able to fix up partition tables.
[08:04] <_ian> I don't, but I think I have a Gnoppix CD
[08:04] <fabbione> mdz_: did you read above?
[08:04] <_ian> how reliable would say partition table fixing is?
[08:05] <TheMuso> _ian: I have never used parted myself, only partition magic. I know that works.
[08:05] <KazeNoBokusha> i like that ubuntu is debian, and that it has evolution 2.0 and most likely spamassassin 3, as well as firefox 1.0PR.  but is it as stable as debian? i'm currently using testing (sarge) and haven't had stability problems yet, except sometimes it randomly crashes (that sounds kinda weird, but what i mean is that it rarely ever happens, but when it does, it's extremely annoying)
[08:05] <fabbione> what you get with java start?
[08:05] <fabbione> ops
[08:05] <bronson> TheMuso: no idea.
[08:05] <TheMuso> But Partition Magic is not free/open source.
[08:06] <_ian> partition magic says it can't fix it :)
[08:06] <KazeNoBokusha> it's free, on efnet :P
[08:06] <bronson> TheMuso: hold up.  I should have know.
[08:06] <bronson> TheMuso: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[08:06] <bronson> Can't vouch for it though.
[08:06] <TheMuso> bronson: Right.
[08:06] <TheMuso> Well if PM can't fix it, I don't know what can.
[08:07] <TheMuso> Other than completely whiping the boot record and starting again.
[08:07] <KazeNoBokusha> anyone alive in here, other than you three?
[08:07] <bronson> Anyone know how to run XR&R in Ubuntu?
[08:07] <bronson> I want to switch to 16 bit.
[08:07] <_ian> TheMuso: sigh.  yeah I may just wipe it
[08:08] <KazeNoBokusha> i'd like to know if ubuntu is crashy, i heard in a review that ubuntu is rough around the edges
[08:08] <TheMuso> bronson: Do you want to run in 16-bit perminantly?
[08:08] <bronson> TheMuso: yep
[08:08] <pepsi_> lately i've been coming back to a login screen after leaving my computer for a while.. pretty randomly.. just now it happened after leaving it for just a few minutes, but sometimes i can leave all day and its fine
[08:08] <bronson> I can just change XF86config.
[08:08] <bronson> But I'm trying to do it the "Ubuntu Way"  :)
[08:08] <izo> r/l
[08:08] <_ian> pepsi_: I read about that recently.  a buggy xscreensaver?
[08:08] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: not really
[08:08] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: that was probably a preview review
[08:08] <Skif> I can't for the life of me figure out why.
[08:08] <_ian> pepsi_: do you have it set to random?
[08:09] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, it was
[08:09] <pepsi_> _ian, yeah
[08:09] <Skif> I've tried running memtest86, and it doesn't show anything obvious
[08:09] <_ian> pepsi_: try setting it to just one, then change which one after you're sure that one is ok :)
[08:09] <pepsi_> _ian, thats a pain in the ass, but it seems to be the most likely cause
[08:09] <pepsi_> thx
[08:10] <_ian> pepsi_: if you figure out which one it is, tell people
[08:10] <pepsi_> hehe, ok
[08:10] <_ian> google for it, someone may have already done the work
[08:10] <KazeNoBokusha> now i do not understand why, but with debian sarge i get random freezes in which it does not reboot but all hardware stops responding (including the monitor) and drives stop being read from. would ubuntu have the same problems as debian sarge?
[08:10] <pepsi_> im guessing its an open GL one
[08:11] <Brooman> umm how do i get the gcc compiler to work? it appears to be installed
[08:11] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: That sounds more like hardware than anything else to me
[08:11] <TheMuso> Brooman: What do you want to compile?
[08:11] <KazeNoBokusha> memtest86 on the gentoo 2004.1 cd runs stable
[08:11] <Brooman> TheMuso: my own programs for class
[08:11] <TheMuso> Well do you know gcc syntax?
[08:12] <TheMuso> command-line syntax that is
[08:12] <KazeNoBokusha> i actually removed a very faulty very expensive RAM stick
[08:12] <_ian> Brooman: can you run 'gcc' from the command line?
[08:12] <Brooman> TheMuso: of course
[08:12] <Brooman> _ian: no
[08:12] <pepsi_> Brooman, i think i had a similar problem
[08:12] <_ian> Brooman: 'command not found' ?
[08:12] <Brooman> _ian: yes
[08:12] <pepsi_> install it again
[08:13] <KazeNoBokusha> well, instead of a hardware problem it could be some experimental kernel option like nforce support of some kind that's doing it
[08:13] <KazeNoBokusha> but who knows
[08:13] <KazeNoBokusha> anyway, thanks
[08:13] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: What kernel version are you running?
[08:14] <KazeNoBokusha> 2.6.8
[08:14] <pepsi_> my system was horribly unstable until i disabled acpi
[08:14] <Brooman> why is gcc 3.3 base and gcc 3.4 base installed? is this necessary?
[08:14] <KazeNoBokusha> i have everything i would ever need either compiled in or as a module, and everything else left out
[08:14] <pepsi_> i have both installed myself
[08:14] <KazeNoBokusha> yeah acpi could be it
[08:14] <KazeNoBokusha> i could try to completely disable it
[08:15] <TheMuso> Brooman: Have you installed build-essential installed?
[08:15] <KazeNoBokusha> but that might cause problems too...no ability for the monitor to sleep, or is that a DPMS thing?
[08:15] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: APM can handle that, but the DPMS is responsible for the monitor AFAIK
[08:16] <Brooman> TheMuso: no..doesn't appear to be. should i install it?
[08:16] <KazeNoBokusha> well i don't really need apm or acpi on a desktop if dpms is seperate and takes care of the monitor
[08:16] <TheMuso> Brooman: Yes. That should give you gcc the command
[08:16] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: I think DPMS still needs some sort of PM, not sure though.
[08:17] <pepsi_> i dont have apm or acpi enabled
[08:17] <pepsi_> and my monitor goes to sleep
[08:17] <KazeNoBokusha> hmm, well i suppose it doesn't really matter
[08:17] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: According to what pepsi_ said above, it will be fine without either.
[08:18] <KazeNoBokusha> also, when i install linux, it loads a kernel from the cd for use, and loads everything as modules. when i go back and recompile a lot of things built in, it still tries to load the modules. how do i fix this?
[08:18] <pepsi_> move the moduels out of the way
[08:18] <KazeNoBokusha> i do, i've been installing the kernel the `debian way' with make-kpkg
[08:18] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: It is better however to leave some things as modules IMO. ALSA in particular is better as modules.
[08:19] <KazeNoBokusha> alsa? really?
[08:19] <KazeNoBokusha> well, other things have issues too, it's not just that
[08:19] <TheMuso> Yes. It also means that your kernel doesn't take as long to load.
[08:19] <KazeNoBokusha> i can't recall which, it scrolls by so fast and i can't go back and read it
[08:20] <Brooman> recompiling the kernel to suit my hardware is not going to hurt anything is it?
[08:20] <KazeNoBokusha> speaking of loading, why even with everything as modules does linux take so long to load compared to XP?
[08:20] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, hasn't hurt me, just helped
[08:20] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: Hotplug is one of the bigger culprits
[08:20] <KazeNoBokusha> ah
[08:21] <TheMuso> culprets
[08:21] <KazeNoBokusha> windows has an equivalent though, and it takes less time anyway
[08:21] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: Yeah I know. Hotplug always takes ages on any distro that I have ever used.
[08:21] <Brooman> KazeNoBokusha: is there anything that must be in the kernel for the system to work?
[08:22] <TheMuso> Brooman: Hard drive support for a start.
[08:22] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, if you can make it a module, it's not usually required, but if you're unsure about a specific option, ask
[08:22] <TheMuso> Brooman: And filesystems
[08:22] <pepsi_> read the info in each config option before deciding
[08:22] <KazeNoBokusha> only the filesystems you'll actually use
[08:22] <TheMuso> Brooman: I suggest you use a base config from an existing kernel on your system.
[08:22] <Brooman> ok
[08:23] <KazeNoBokusha> so if linux and windows both have a hotplug type thing, why does linux still take longer?
[08:23] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: You will have to ask the devs about that one.
[08:23] <KazeNoBokusha> OK
[08:24] <KazeNoBokusha> so now that ubuntu is not a preview, but a final version (4.1.0 already?), i imagine it has most major bugs ironed out, and is comparable to other distros? or would you say it still needs some work before it's at the level that other distros are at?
[08:25] <TheMuso> In terms of stability, I would say it is up there with other desktop distros. As for functionality and ease of configuration, it still has a little way to go yet.
[08:25] <TheMuso> IMO
[08:26] <KazeNoBokusha> in which areas? some examples?
[08:26] <oddabe19> TheMuso, 
[08:26] <KazeNoBokusha> camera support? hardware? software?
[08:26] <oddabe19> I think that ubuntu is great in functunality, considering, for me at least, everything worked the moment i booted it the first time
[08:26] <oddabe19> which is something i don't get from any other distro
[08:26] <oddabe19> but that was me
[08:26] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: For a start, laptop support is quite good out of the box, in terms of monitoring battery, wireless if one has it, speedstep for the CPU, etc.
[08:27] <KazeNoBokusha> ok, sounds good, but i have a desktop so that's unnecessary. will it run needless programs in the background trying to monitor the battery and whatnot?
[08:27] <TheMuso> Removable devices such as USB flash drives are automatically mounted and come up in GNOME when connected.
[08:27] <oddabe19> no
[08:28] <KazeNoBokusha> hmm, even if those devices weren't connected at install time?
[08:28] <TheMuso> Yes.
[08:28] <KazeNoBokusha> for debian, i had to have them in at install so they'd be entered into fstab
[08:28] <TheMuso> It also should take care of USB hard drives.
[08:28] <KazeNoBokusha> how's it put it in fstab?
[08:28] <KazeNoBokusha> automatically?
[08:28] <Despair> probably isn't, just shows up in /etc/mtab
[08:28] <KazeNoBokusha> mtab?
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> what's that? i've seen it in /etc
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> looks similar
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> to fstab
[08:29] <TheMuso> No fstab entries are created, as the device is mounted only while it is plugged in. And as far as I am ware, you can unplug the device without actually having to unmount it.
[08:29] <Despair> stuff that's mounted. even if it's not preconfigured
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> oh OK
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> that sounds cool
[08:29] <KazeNoBokusha> wish debian did that
[08:30] <KazeNoBokusha> how about firewire drives? formatted on a mac as a dos drive?
[08:30] <Despair> it can, they just don't automatically do it, because it works extremely badly on some drives.
[08:30] <bronson> Why did Ubuntu go with firefox?  I find I like Epiphany to be more polished and better integrated.
[08:30] <pepsi_> TheMuso, id be wary about unplugging it before unmounting it, no?
[08:30] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, plugins?
[08:30] <bronson> Just wondering if this is a Ubuntu-specific decision, or a general Gnome direction...
[08:30] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, yes it is more integrated though
[08:30] <KazeNoBokusha> but firefox is more popular
[08:30] <TheMuso> From what jdub said at a demonstration at my local LUG, they use the sync option when mounting, so that there is no cached data when the device is read from or written to.
[08:31] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: Epiphany runs all Moz plugins doesn't it?
[08:31] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, debian sarge's gnome package has it this way too
[08:31] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, i know some plugins are specific to specific implementations of mozilla, even different versions of the same implementation
[08:31] <pepsi_> TheMuso, maybe thats why my ipod is so slow
[08:31] <bronson> Well, true.
[08:31] <KazeNoBokusha> like some plugin only works for firefox .8 and up
[08:31] <bronson> Moz suffers from DLL hell.
[08:32] <KazeNoBokusha> dll?
[08:32] <TheMuso> pepsi_: That is probably why.
[08:32] <KazeNoBokusha> linux?
[08:32] <bronson> Trying to get it to run Java applets on Debian is always a nightmare.
[08:32] <bronson> Fine, shared library hell.  :)
[08:32] <KazeNoBokusha> anyway, how's ubuntu on firewire drives?
[08:32] <pepsi_> KazeNoBokusha, my ipod works fine
[08:33] <KazeNoBokusha> i've heard an nforce2 board is problematic under linux, and i haven't tried firewire yet, so i'm worried
[08:33] <pepsi_> cept its slow
[08:33] <KazeNoBokusha> pepsi_, hmm
[08:33] <KazeNoBokusha> pepsi_, any idea why?
[08:33] <KazeNoBokusha> pepsi_, i don't want to transfer 10G of files slowly after all
[08:33] <meesly> hi
[08:34] <pepsi_> but as TheMuso just said, its probably because its mounted with an option to sync
[08:34] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: pepsi_ seems to think it is something to do with what I explained above.
[08:34] <pepsi_> im going to try putting it in fstab
[08:34] <KazeNoBokusha> pepsi_, do you have other firewire devices which aren't slow, or does sync make all fw drives slow?
[08:34] <TheMuso> pepsi_: That might cause problems, as hal will see it and try to mount it elsewhere.
[08:34] <pepsi_> hrm
[08:35] <pepsi_> ill have to read up and see how i can specify mount options
[08:35] <KazeNoBokusha> waitasecond, the ipod registers as a harddrive? i thought it was some non-standard proprietary protocol instead
[08:36] <pepsi_> yeah, its just a hard drive
[08:36] <KazeNoBokusha> cool
[08:36] <vegai> hmm, did someone answer before I crashed?
[08:36] <KazeNoBokusha> so, like, i could use it doubly as a storage device if i got one
[08:36] <pepsi_> you didnt ask anything afaik
[08:36] <KazeNoBokusha> now i see why they cost so much, they are useful for more than just one thing
[08:37] <pepsi_> yes
[08:37] <pepsi_> still not worth it though
[08:37] <TheMuso> If you wanted to, but it would probably be cheaper to buy an external firewire box and wack a hard drive in that.
[08:37] <pepsi_> :P
[08:37] <vegai> I asked whether there's an ubuntu way for reconfiguring X, or whether I should do it manually
[08:37] <_ian> wow used computers on craiglist are really cheap!
[08:37] <KazeNoBokusha> speaking of things which register as a normal old drive, my camera does that, so gphoto2 doesn't work with it :P kinda ironic that it only works with nonstandard protocols
[08:37] <TheMuso> vegai: I think you will have to do it manually.
[08:38] <KazeNoBokusha> _ian, yeah it's better than ebay in some ways
[08:38] <calc> you can reconfigure it the same as in debian
[08:38] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: Well cameras are even better. You can connect the camera, and it will ask if you want to import the photos into your photo album.
[08:38] <calc> at least iirc
[08:38] <calc> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[08:38] <Brooman> I am used to there being a grub.conf in /boot/grub/...where the heck is it?
[08:38] <_ian> KazeNoBokusha: it helps that many sellers aren't educated :)
[08:38] <KazeNoBokusha> TheMuso, it does that for me on debian, but then when it brings up the dialog box asking which device to select, it finds none
[08:39] <KazeNoBokusha> calc, what's the -plow for?
[08:39] <vegai> calc: ah, yes. Thanks
[08:39] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, you want menu.lst?
[08:39] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: Well I have seen it done. I didn't know how exactly, but it was.
[08:39] <pepsi_> /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:39] <karat> is wartywarthog the only cd release?
[08:39] <Brooman> KazeNoBokusha: hmmm..odd.
[08:39] <KazeNoBokusha> TheMuso, it was a camera that registered as a camera, not as a drive, that's how
[08:39] <karat> I just downloaded it and am doing my first ubuntu install
[08:40] <calc> KazeNoBokusha: priority low
[08:40] <SmokingFire> were the name of the file with the hdparms? and where is it located?
[08:40] <KazeNoBokusha> calc, shouldn't they have made it as --plow then?
[08:40] <Zindar> SmokingFire: /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:40] <calc> KazeNoBokusha: its -p(low)
[08:40] <SmokingFire> Zindar: thanks
[08:40] <KazeNoBokusha> Oh
[08:40] <calc> not a multiple char argument
[08:40] <calc> so eg -phigh works as well, etc
[08:41] <KazeNoBokusha> well, i'm sold on ubuntu, it sounds like, so what i need to know now is how do i wipe a CDRW in gnome? i have debian-installer on it but i would like to put ubuntu on it
[08:41] <vegai> hmm, now I will have to restart X, then. Will ubuntu's gdm act nicely if X fails?
[08:41] <bur[n] er> KazeNoBokusha: install k3b?
[08:41] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: I think you will have to wipe it either from K3b, or on the command line.
[08:43] <KazeNoBokusha> TheMuso, keramik is fugly, and i don't know how to change themes without full-blown kde, so how do i do it from the command line? it wouldn't be too hard for the nautilus to fix that, though, sheesh
[08:43] <Brooman> i need a flash plugin for my browser
[08:43] <TheMuso> Is your CD burner set up through SCSI emulation?
[08:43] <KazeNoBokusha> no, i'm on a 2.6 kernel
[08:43] <bur[n] er> KazeNoBokusha: there's a python based cd burning app otu there for gtk that works pretty well... eroaster maybe?
[08:43] <calc> nautilus can't blank discs?
[08:44] <TheMuso> calc: Not yet.
[08:44] <TheMuso> AFAIK
[08:44] <jdub> it blanks before writing
[08:44] <jdub> but i don't think you can tell it to blank
[08:44] <jdub> maybe try writing nothing
[08:44] <Zindar> does it always blank?
[08:44] <Brooman> what is the name of the flash plugin?
[08:44] <KazeNoBokusha> eroaster? i know there's groast, but that's designed for scsi emulation burning
[08:45] <calc> would be cool to make a gnome nero clone with libburn :)
[08:45] <KazeNoBokusha> another thing they should steal source from k3b for is multisession burning
[08:45] <calc> cdrecord based stuff should die along with cdrecord ;)
[08:45] <bur[n] er> KazeNoBokusha: check out eroaster int he meantime
[08:46] <calc> and joerg 'ate the gpl' schilling as well ;)
[08:46] <KazeNoBokusha> calc, well isn't freedesktop.org trying to merge qt and gtk? when it happens k3b will fit in with the gnome desktop just fine
[08:46] <vegai> calc: what could we use then...
[08:46] <calc> KazeNoBokusha: k3b uses cdrecord (gag)
[08:46] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no
[08:46] <calc> vegai: libburn, see fdo
[08:46] <vegai> ohh
[08:46] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: There are also several libraries and GUIs being developed for GNOME. A library called libburn is under development.
[08:46] <KazeNoBokusha> what's libburn, and what uses it?
[08:46] <vegai> excellent
[08:47] <joem> coaster will use it eventually
[08:47] <karat> does ubuntu setup software channel mixing automatically?
[08:47] <Brooman> Does anyone have flash working in firefox?
[08:47] <joem> there is a small app called optimystic that uses it iirc
[08:47] <KazeNoBokusha> bur[n] er, no eroast found in debian sarge package list
[08:47] <bur[n] er> you should prolly try eroaster
[08:47] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, yes, but not on ubuntu
[08:47] <lhb> Brooman: yes
[08:48] <Brooman> lhb: what package do i need?
[08:48] <KazeNoBokusha> it's available through debian sarge contrib or maybe non-free
[08:48] <calc> coaster looks decent, but i'm not sure its gui is actually going to be easy to use
[08:48] <lhb> Brooman: hold on a sec
[08:48] <KazeNoBokusha> bur[n] er, it doesn't find it, i said
[08:48] <Brooman> KazeNoBokusha: how do I access those repositories?
[08:48] <Brooman> KazeNoBokusha: im new to this ubuntu/debian thing
[08:48] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, it's called universe on ubuntu, i hear
[08:48] <joem> calc, yea some of the screenshots look odd
[08:48] <KazeNoBokusha> it's not supported
[08:49] <KazeNoBokusha> but you can do it
[08:49] <bur[n] er> i'm using debian... eroaster is there... eroast is not
[08:49] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, one second i'll find it for you
[08:49] <TheMuso> KazeNoBokusha: Try gtoaster
[08:49] <Brooman> KazeNoBokusha: i appreciate it
[08:49] <KazeNoBokusha> TheMuso, can't, it needs scsi emu
[08:49] <TheMuso> Ah!
[08:49] <calc> http://www.coaster-burn.org/coaster-gui/screenshots.html <- for anyone who wants to see it
[08:50] <bur[n] er> isn't coaster not being developed anymore?
[08:50] <TheMuso> Optimistic screenshots look good IMO.
[08:50] <joem> there should be some form of a release within the next week or so
[08:50] <joem> bur[n] er, no it is
[08:50] <KazeNoBokusha> Brooman, download this package somewhere and then install it
[08:50] <KazeNoBokusha> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.25-5_i386.deb
[08:50] <lhb> Brooman: you need to enable universe in the apt sources.list
[08:51] <calc> gnometoaster seemed to have the right idea, but needs work (and also appears to be dead?)
[08:51] <bur[n] er> seems there hasn't been any coaster activity in ages though
[08:51] <joem> libburn development was holding it back for a while, so it is using nautilus burn until libburn is useable
[08:51] <joem> bur[n] er, there has, just no releases
[08:51] <lhb> Brooman: then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:51] <karat> uh
[08:51] <KazeNoBokusha> bur[n] er, you're on debian sarge?
[08:51] <lhb> Brooman: that did it for me
[08:51] <karat> i just installed ubuntu, but my touchpad doesnt work
[08:52] <bur[n] er> KazeNoBokusha: unstable
[08:52] <bronson> What's the best way to recompile the kernel under Ubuntu?
[08:52] <bronson> I need to install the Orinoco monitor patch.
[08:52] <KazeNoBokusha> lhb, but then he could accidentally get something from debian sid which is not compatible with ubuntu
[08:53] <KazeNoBokusha> bur[n] er, that explains it, eroaster is only in stable and unstable, not testing
[08:53] <lhb> KazeNoBokusha: i wouldnt know, works fine here though
[08:53] <jdub> bronson: make sure multiverse is enabled in sources.list and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:53] <TheMuso> bronson: You can do it the Debian way if you know that.
[08:53] <KazeNoBokusha> which is weird to say the least
[08:53] <bronson> TheMuso: I do, but I find that it's more trouble than it's worth.
[08:53] <Brooman> lhb: good deal..thanks :)
[08:53] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, check your tab completion
[08:54] <lhb> isnt everything in universe already ubuntu compatible?
[08:54] <bronson> jdub: ?
[08:54] <bronson> Oh, that was for lhb.
[08:54] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, join #debian and type !kp
[08:54] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, it will give full info
[08:54] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: you swear that won't get me in trouble?  :)
[08:54] <KazeNoBokusha> lhb, but it could provide a different version of the same software
[08:54] <KazeNoBokusha> right?
[08:55] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, of course
[08:55] <jdub> everything in the warty repositories is compatible with and built against warty
[08:55] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, it just makes a bot tell you how to compile the kernel the debian way
[08:55] <bronson> Cool.
[08:55] <bronson> "Just open your browser and type goatse..."  :)
[08:55] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, just don't type !kick dpkg
[08:56] <KazeNoBokusha> or !punch etc...
[08:56] <bronson> lol
[08:56] <TheMuso> Does eroaster need SCSI emu?
[08:56] <comfrey> TheMuso: afaik yes, if you are using an ide drive
[08:57] <KazeNoBokusha> by default, is ubuntu oss or alsa?
[08:57] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: So you like kpkg better than make install?  (personal opinion)
[08:57] <KazeNoBokusha> i know debian is oss :(
[08:57] <avar> guys, whats with those models in ubuntu?
[08:57] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, yes, because it's one click to get rid of old kernels
[08:57] <karat> Is the 2.6.9 kernel available for ubuntu
[08:57] <calc> using make-kpkg is much simpler to use
[08:57] <avar> http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/152/35.gif
[08:57] <tolstoy> if I want to "fix" sbcl so it'll exist in "universe," how do I go about it?
[08:58] <Treenaks> avar: they've been removed in the final release, I guess -- or at least made optional
[08:58] <avar> Treenaks: i think it looks cool;)
[08:59] <Treenaks> avar: you can turn them on if you like
[08:59] <Krypt0nn> are they on by default?
[08:59] <Treenaks> Krypt0nn: not anymore
[09:00] <Treenaks> Krypt0nn: you have to turn them on
[09:00] <topyli> hmm. i've never turned on any models before
[09:00] <Krypt0nn> a lot of people will be happy
[09:00] <Krypt0nn> personally i dont care
[09:00] <avar> Treenaks, what has it been replaced by?
[09:00] <Krypt0nn> they are people big deal
[09:00] <karat> anybody? 2.6.9 kernel availability?
[09:00] <Treenaks> topyli: there's a first time for everything 8)
[09:00] <Treenaks> avar: artwork that's almost the same, but without people
[09:00] <TheMuso> ALSA is used by default I think
[09:00] <topyli> Treenaks: yeah. ubuntu rocks! =)
[09:01] <avar> Treenaks, do you have screenshots of that?
[09:01] <Treenaks> Krypt0n: to you... ask someone from an Arab country
[09:01] <Treenaks> avar: uh
[09:01] <Treenaks> avar: dunno
[09:01] <TheMuso> karat: What sort of laptop are you running?
[09:01] <Krypt0n> Treenaks: I understand that yeah
[09:01] <vegai> hmm... rhythmbox doesn't know how to play mp3
[09:01] <TheMuso> vegai: Install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[09:02] <Treenaks> vegai: it does, if you install libgstreamer0.8-mad
[09:02] <vegai> cheers
[09:02] <Treenaks> (maybe it's gstreamer0.8-mad)
[09:02] <vegai> gstreamer0.8-misc seems to have it
[09:02] <Treenaks> the FAQ should really be updated, I keep seeing the same questions over and over
[09:02] <karat> TheMuso: It's a toshiba a75, brand new. The touchpad requires a patch that was brought in on 2.6.9
[09:02] <vegai> oh, it doesn't
[09:02] <Treenaks> vegai: gstreamer0.8-plugins installs all of them
[09:03] <Treenaks> vegai: so you can watch/listen a few other formats as well
[09:03] <TheMuso> karat: Well in that case you are out of luck unless they upgrade the kernel to 2.6.9, or you build it yourself.
[09:03] <vegai> that's in universe, too?
[09:03] <karat> argh crap
[09:03] <karat> theres no experimental support?
[09:03] <topyli> when someone tries to listen to mp3s, we should by default convert them to oggs and then play them :)
[09:03] <TheMuso> topyli: Then they sound crap.
[09:04] <TheMuso> karat: You could try and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.
[09:04] <topyli> TheMuso: that's what you get when you mess with mp3s, there would be a "lesson"
[09:05] <TheMuso> heh
[09:08] <Brooman> I do not want gdm to start when booting..gentoo used a utility called rc-update to add or remove things from runlevels..is there a debian equivalent?
[09:08] <avar> Brooman, yes, chmod -x the init script,
[09:08] <TheMuso> Brooman: Yes. update-rc.d is what you are looking for.
[09:08] <TheMuso> avar: Not the best idea if you only want to remove it from one runlevel.
[09:08] <avar> TheMuso, hmm, always worked for me;)
[09:09] <Zindar> rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[09:09] <Zindar> if best
[09:09] <Zindar> is
[09:09] <jdub> Brooman: update-rc.d
[09:10] <karat> I can officially say that I hate Toshiba's.
[09:11] <avar> whoi?
[09:11] <topyli> i had a toshiba t-1000 laptop once. very cool. 8086 processor, 512k RAM :)
[09:12] <TheMuso> I had a T-1000LE once. 2MB RAM, 20M HD, 8086 processor.
[09:12] <karat> topyli: the new toshibas put the touchpad into an odd ps2/usb hybrid mode that doesn't work on 2.6 until the 2.6.9 kernel
[09:12] <karat> aside from that its a badass box though, assuming i can get everything else working
[09:13] <topyli> karat: hack on!
[09:13] <topyli> TheMuso: the t-1000 had a little read-only HD, with dos 2.2 on it
[09:13] <karat> actually, fucking with the less-than-helpful bios managed to get it to work
[09:15] <TheMuso> karat: Good to hear.
[09:15] <topyli> it had a setting for the mousepad somewhere in the bios?
[09:16] <karat> it had a "Legacy USB Support" option
[09:16] <TheMuso> Ah.
[09:16] <topyli> good to know if i come across one of those
[09:16] <karat> I don't understand wtf Toshiba was thinking
[09:16] <karat> but with 2.6.9 the problem is gone, theres a patch that allows a passthrough
[09:17] <topyli> the default is probably good for xp
[09:17] <karat> probably
[09:17] <Shufla> hello
[09:18] <karat> xp home is what it came with, and none of the linux toshiba modules work so i suppose its optimized for ms products
[09:19] <calc> toshiba's pcmcia chipsets were always fun to deal with
[09:19] <calc> karat: toshiba seems to always have loved to do weird shit that doesn't work right ;)
[09:20] <joem> I had a toshiba laptop and most of it was all right
[09:20] <Treenaks> calc: for very broad definitions of "fun"
[09:20] <joem> wireless worked out of the box
[09:20] <joem> used orinoco drivers
[09:20] <karat> well I got the base system installed, i suppose i can work on getting sound and dri working later
[09:20] <calc> Treenaks: for a masochistic definition of fun ;)
[09:20] <karat> thanks guys
[09:21] <vegai> does anyone have gaim working using jabber? I can't seem to login anywhere with it
[09:21] <calc> not sure why toshiba thought it was a good idea to not use standard parts
[09:21] <Gladiak> hi everyone :)
[09:22] <calc> everything on my laptop works but the wireless... broadcom pos
[09:22] <Gladiak> can i ask 1 thing ?
[09:22] <Gladiak> do you play normally bb ?
[09:22] <calc> Gladiak: you just did :)
[09:22] <Gladiak> :P
[09:22] <calc> what is bb?
[09:22] <Gladiak> an aalib example
[09:23] <Gladiak> very cool
[09:23] <Gladiak> :)
[09:23] <Gladiak> but here doesn't go smooth
[09:23] <calc> oh
[09:23] <TheMuso> calc: What is the wireless chipset?
[09:23] <Gladiak> can you try ? just 300k
[09:23] <calc> TheMuso: broadcom
[09:23] <Gladiak> :/
[09:23] <Gladiak> pls
[09:23] <eldados> hey guys, do i need to bother about the new release or just apt-get upgrade will bring me there?
[09:23] <TheMuso> calc: I feel sorry for you.
[09:24] <Gladiak> eldados, th second one i think
[09:24] <calc> TheMuso: bcm4306 :\
[09:24] <TheMuso> eldados: Just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade.
[09:24] <eldados> cool :)
[09:24] <Gladiak> :)
[09:24] <TheMuso> calc: Have you considered using NDISwrapper?
[09:24] <calc> TheMuso: i'll be replacing it as soon as the intel 2915abg is available
[09:24] <calc> TheMuso: doesn't work on amd64
[09:24] <TheMuso> Ah!
[09:25] <witigonen> Okay!
[09:26] <witigonen> So, now that sound is working wonderfully (thanks to the amazing help of TheMuso)... Hmm... I guess next is a simple question: what's everyone's preferred email client, and why?  I need to use two POP accounts and one IMAP account, so whatever works best with ubuntu and imap..  In FC2 and Windows I used thunderbird, but I'm certainly open to new ideas.
[09:26] <calc> mutt, its text :)
[09:27] <TheMuso> I use mutt, but for multiple accounts, you may want to consider Evolution.
[09:27] <witigonen> But I love pretty things so very, very, very much... Eye candy is a major plus for me, I hate to say it.
[09:27] <witigonen> Evolution?  The default?  Alright.
[09:27] <TheMuso> calc: Do you know if it is possible to use multiple accounts successfully in Mutt?
[09:27] <calc> remote access is more important to me, so i just use mutt :)
[09:27] <calc> TheMuso: no idea, i only use one
[09:28] <calc> my ccheney@debian.org, chris.cheney@x.org, ccheney@cheney.cx all go to the same mbox :)
[09:28] <TheMuso> calc: I think it is possible, but I think it is a pain writing several hooks for different mailboxes for the different addresses.
[09:28] <calc> TheMuso: true, not sure how to do that
[09:28] <TheMuso> calc: But what about sending from different addresses?
[09:28] <calc> i just hit esc -f
[09:28] <TheMuso> calc: I think you simply use the mailbox hook stuff, but never tried, as it would be tedious with the two accounts, and tons of mailboxes I have mail filtered into. :)
[09:29] <Gladiak> ehm....there isn't aalib package here ? O_o
[09:29] <jdub> TheMuso: just get fetchmail to deliver them to different invocations of procmail or whatever
[09:29] <jdub> there's a profile changer tool around too
[09:29] <TheMuso> jdub: Fetchmail is not the problem.
[09:30] <topyli> Gladiak: there's aalib1
[09:30] <calc> hmm you got me thinking about separating out all my mailboxes now, heh
[09:31] <KiwiFireGuy> Kiaora
[09:31] <jdub> nup
[09:32] <KiwiFireGuy> Would someone help a newbie make alsaconfig run?
[09:33] <KiwiFireGuy> ...in exchange for which I will forcast the future
[09:33] <xskoulax> yes finally wireless is working, updates here we come :D
[09:33] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: alsaconf is not shipped with Ubuntu
[09:33] <|trey|> jdub: read planet.gnome.org to see why I said "benivolent dictator of gnome"  8)
[09:33] <Treenaks> KiwiFireGuy: you don't need alsaconfig
[09:33] <jdub> |trey|: i've read it.
[09:33] <KiwiFireGuy> OK then, dead sound on a Toshiba Tecra 8000... wassup with that?
[09:33] <jdub> few other people would understand where it came from
[09:34] <|trey|> jdub: http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/benevolent-dictator.png
[09:35] <jdub> dude, i've seen it
[09:35] <|trey|> :o
[09:35] <jdub> few other people would understand where it came from
[09:35] <KiwiFireGuy> IN THE FUTURE... Microsoft will be regarded as the robber barons of the era...
[09:35] <xskoulax> zdrasti dyn
[09:36] <|trey|> heh... sorry... agreed... you are the release manager though, as is Linus in many ways too.. so I thought it was an easy concept to grasp  :/
[09:36] <witigonen> Okay.  So.  Email is set up.
[09:37] <redLAW> i just wanted to know will people from ubuntu site send me their cd
[09:37] <witigonen> Are there any problems with ubuntu and xmms' status plugin and/or xmms-itouch plugins?
[09:37] <jdub> redLAW: you've registered with shipit?
[09:37] <KiwiFireGuy> So... dead sound? Whats a newbie to do?
[09:37] <dyn> hi xskoulax :)
[09:37] <redLAW> je i singup on site
[09:37] <dyn> or, zdrastvujsze
[09:37] <jdub> redLAW: they'll be shipped soon
[09:37] <dyn> (more or less ;)
[09:38] <xskoulax> dyn that would be way too hard to spell ;)
[09:38] <dyn> hehe :)
[09:38] <KiwiFireGuy> C'mon guys, "ubuntu" and all that...
[09:38] <redLAW> jdub:but will they sent me in my contry. i live in serbia&montenegro
[09:38] <dyn> uhh that green hurts
[09:39] <redLAW> sorry
[09:39] <KiwiFireGuy> Please?
[09:39] <witigonen> Is it possible to use either of those plugins with ubuntu, actually?
[09:39] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: Do you know what chipset the soundcard is?
[09:39] <jamesh> hmm. openoffice doesn't seem to be picking up the system theme colours :(
[09:39] <KiwiFireGuy> Yamaha
[09:39] <Brooman> how do you clean the kernel config file to start from scratch?
[09:39] <witigonen> The xmms status docklet, especially.  Or the osd.  Either would be awesome.
[09:40] <TheMuso> KeyserSoze: Have you checked that the volume is turned up?
[09:40] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: Have you checked that the volume is up?
[09:40] <dyn> Brooman: make clean will clean your compiled object files and stuff
[09:40] <KiwiFireGuy> Yep...
[09:40] <dyn> Brooman: make mrproper was also used to clean the tree, but i doubt it would restore the default kernel config
[09:40] <TheMuso> Is the soundcard getting recognised at all?
[09:41] <Brooman> dyn..thanks
[09:41] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: Nope
[09:42] <dyn> is it known where the CDs would get dispatched?
[09:42] <TheMuso> Have you tried loading any sound modules manually
[09:42] <jdub> redLAW: yes :)
[09:44] <Brooman> dyn: i did make clean and make mrproper. menuconfig still shows everything and its brother wanting to be compiled as a module. I kind of want a more or less blank file to start with.
[09:44] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: No mate... can't think of a delecate way to say this... I don't know how!
[09:45] <dyn> Brooman: if you got the kernel tarball, you could just extract the linux-x.y.z/.config, it holds the default config
[09:45] <dyn> Brooman: i would rather suggest doing so than asking someone to give it to you
[09:45] <witigonen> I come from a RedHat background, so I apologize for this question, but how can I install a .deb package?
[09:45] <dyn> (*sigh*, i still feel my paranoid sysadm past ;)
[09:45] <Gladiak> apt-get
[09:45] <Gladiak> man apt-get
[09:45] <jdub> witigonen: most of what you need should be installable from the repositories
[09:45] <dyn> witigonen: dpkg -i file.deb if you got it locally
[09:45] <mrjive> hi *
[09:46] <dyn> witigonen: or apt-get install packagename, if you dont
[09:46] <Gladiak> ok what dyn said
[09:46] <jdub> witigonen: do you ahve a separate .deb package? what is it?
[09:46] <Brooman> dyn: lol..i'll do that then
[09:46] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: What kernel are you running?
[09:46] <witigonen> I'm trying to install a .deb package for xmms, and it can't find it.  So..
[09:46] <KiwiFireGuy> Default Ubuntu RC1
[09:46] <TheMuso> witigonen: xmms is in the main repository.
[09:46] <dyn> witigonen: apt-get is your friend then. and make sure you got /etc/apt/sources.list set up 
[09:46] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: Have you tried updating your system to see if that helps?
[09:47] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: As the final release is out.
[09:47] <witigonen> TheMuso, Yes, I got it and it works great, I'm just trying to install a specific plugin for it (xmms-status-plugin)
[09:47] <jdub> witigonen: you only need to type 'apt-get install xmms'
[09:47] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: No, I should then?
[09:47] <jdub> witigonen: that's in universe
[09:47] <jdub> witigonen: you have to enable universe to install it
[09:47] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: ...and you already know my next question...
[09:47] <witigonen> jdub, then I must not have my apt sources configured properly, thanks for letting me know.
[09:47] <TheMuso> Yeah. Run synaptec if you feel more comfortable with a GUI, and update the system first. The sound problem may be fixed in newer versions.
[09:48] <TheMuso> Exactly how to use synaptec I am unsure about, as I have never had to use it. I always type the commands at the command-line, but someone else in here is sure to help you with that.
[09:48] <redLAW> is intel536ep modem supperted on ubuntu
[09:48] <TheMuso> redLAW: Is it a software modem?
[09:49] <redLAW> yes
[09:49] <redLAW> :-(
[09:49] <Treenaks> redLAW: is there a linux driver available from the intel site?
[09:49] <witigonen> ...how very bizarre... I enabled universe, then updated, then did 'sudo apt-get install xmms*' and it gave me the error that it couldn't find the package xmms-status-plugin-etc.
[09:50] <witigonen> There we go, specified the full package name.
[09:50] <redLAW> i think it is becuase this is debian
[09:51] <redLAW> is gprs connection supported on ubuntu
[09:52] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: Synaptic tells me there are no upgrades (I assume this means RC1 became the release version unaltered?)
[09:52] <Treenaks> redLAW: most likely, yes
[09:53] <Treenaks> redLAW: a GPRS connection is just another modem connection (only with a GSM as a modem and a weird phone number)
[09:53] <KiwiFireGuy> Treenaks" ET phone home...
[09:53] <Treenaks> KiwiFireGuy: hm?
[09:54] <redLAW> but i have se t610 phone and usb cable from kolink
[09:54] <KiwiFireGuy> Sorry, lost in esoteria...
[09:54] <Treenaks> redLAW: that'll work jut fine
[09:54] <Treenaks> redLAW: (if it's the same DCU-11 cable that I have for my T230)
[09:54] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: I don't know about the release stuff. One of the devs could probably confirm that. When did you install?
[09:55] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: And did you download software off the net during the install, or from the CD?
[09:55] <dyn> osnews comment: "Upgrading to 4.10 works just fine. I just did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade here, and rebooted into 4.10. Only downside is they seem to have taken the naked people out :("
[09:55] <redLAW> it noname cable i bought for 20eur
[09:55] <dyn> haha
[09:55] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: All off the ISO, which was d/l about 2 weeks ago.
[09:55] <redLAW> it's noname cable i bought for 20eur
[09:55] <Treenaks> dyn: lol :)
[09:55] <KiwiFireGuy> No naked people! Hell...
[09:55] <Treenaks> redLAW: could you plug it in now?
[09:56] <KiwiFireGuy> C'mon guys, put it back! 
[09:56] <redLAW> no becuse i haven;t ubuntu yet, i just asking
[09:56] <Treenaks> redLAW: it's very likely that it'll work.
[09:57] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: I'm happy with command line apt-get in theory, just haven't done it before...
[09:57] <jdub> apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[09:57] <witigonen> If I wanted to have sounds from other programs playing while XMMS was doing its thing... would that b ea problem, result in poor sound quality, open up a messy can of worms?  Is it better to just leave it as it is or should I bother messing around with arts or esd or something?
[09:57] <jdub> witigonen: tell xmms to use esd
[09:57] <redLAW> so when i plugin ubuntu find it and what next
[09:57] <witigonen> jdub, that's it?  Awesome.
[09:58] <Treenaks> redLAW: just run pppconfig
[09:58] <mrjive> jdub: not alsa?
[09:58] <dyn> jdub: aint a better approach to configure alsa doing software mixing?
[09:58] <_Hiro_> anybody know how I'd load i2o at boot instead of dpt_i2o ?
[09:58] <Treenaks> redLAW: that lets you configure a PPP link (look on google, there's a special "phone number" to use for using GPRS)
[09:58] <dyn> i'd vote against using esd, arts or any other 3rd party software mixer thing
[09:59] <crimsun> alsa-lib's dmix is lower level than esd or arts, so that's what I would choose
[09:59] <_Hiro_> I checked  with make oldconfig and apparantly dpt_i2o is created as module, so it has to be possible somehow :/
[09:59] <redLAW> yes it is *99***#
[09:59] <redLAW> on cell provider
[09:59] <Treenaks> redLAW: well, you enter that as the phone no., username, password, etc.
[09:59] <Treenaks> redLAW: in pppconfig, and then it's done
[09:59] <Treenaks> (use /dev/ttyUSB0 as the modem port)
[10:00] <atariboy> hmmm. ubuntu/gnome doesn't seem to like VirtualPC
[10:00] <jacob> Can Alsa be configured to do software mixing ?
[10:01] <dyn> jacob: a clear yes
[10:01] <jacob> dyn, how ?
[10:01] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso" OK, apt-get also says I'm up to date (but still with teh naked women... SWEET!). Any other ideas?
[10:01] <dyn> though i'm not really familiar with the how part :) my soundcard does hardware mixing
[10:01] <topyli> dyn: great, now you've slashdotted osnews's ubuntu review
[10:02] <dyn> topyli: huh? me? wot? :)
[10:02] <dyn> ahh slashdotted.. ok :)
[10:02] <topyli> dyn: you should know better than mentioning a website out loud on any medium :)
[10:02] <_Hiro_> is there a way to list the contents of an initrd?
[10:03] <dyn> topyli: nah, osnews could handle the load fine, and Eugenia gonna be happy with that side effect too ;)
[10:03] <topyli> yeah well, it sure loaded slow for me :)
[10:04] <topyli> still finding the images
[10:04] <TheMuso> KiwiFireGuy: I don't think you have the latest updates then. Go to a terminal, and type sudo apt-get update
[10:05] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: Just went through that, says I'm all sweet as... odd?
[10:06] <KiwiFireGuy> TheMuso: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[10:09] <witigonen> Okay... uh.. .time for the big question.
[10:09] <witigonen> Installing ATI drivers.
[10:10] <witigonen> How painful is it?
[10:10] <Treenaks> witigonen: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:11] <Elw0od> witigonen,  it's not painful
[10:11] <witigonen> That'll be a relief, Elw0od, it was a nightmare on FC2.
[10:11] <Elw0od> fc2 is a nightmare its self
[10:11] <Treenaks> witigonen: read the link.. it's a question of installing 1 package and changing your X config.
[10:11] <dyn> sorry to say but buying an ATI card wasn't the brightest idea from a linux user - _imho_
[10:12] <witigonen> Treenaks, reading right now, thanks.
[10:12] <witigonen> dyn, yes, well when I bought my lovely ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, I wasn't a Linux user.
[10:12] <Elw0od> the same for me with my nvidia
[10:12] <dyn> witigonen: ahh ok i'm glad to see you here then :-)
[10:12] <witigonen> dyn: :)
[10:12] <Treenaks> dyn: it's not like savage and/or via are a lot better
[10:13] <Elw0od> btw i configured an ati 9600 for the linux day 
[10:13] <Elw0od> it isn't impossible
[10:13] <witigonen> Is there any reason that XMMS would be seriously slowing my computer down..? It's acting strangely laggy.
[10:14] <crimsun> jacob: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaSharing
[10:14] <witigonen> Elw0od, I managed to configure my 9800 in FC2.  It took a while, a long while, but it worked.  It's definitely possible.  
[10:14] <crimsun> jacob: if you have further questions, i'm in #alsa
[10:14] <Elw0od> witigonen, alsa?
[10:14] <Elw0od> witigonen,  are u using alsa?
[10:15] <witigonen> Elw0od, I am, yes.
[10:15] <Treenaks> witigonen: have you tried beep-media-player? it might work a bit better
[10:15] <dyn> still about video cards, i use a matrox g450 here at work
[10:16] <elwood> witigonen, uhm try launching xmms  from a terminal and read the errorrs
[10:16] <elwood> Treenaks, really?
[10:16] <dyn> it's a real pain to configure to use DRI and openGL with it
[10:16] <Treenaks> elwood: yes
[10:16] <dyn> (some parties of counter-strike occasionally fits into our daily work schedule :)
[10:16] <elwood> Treenaks,  i heard about it..but i have never tried..
[10:16] <elwood> let me apt-get
[10:16] <deFrysk> most plugins of xmms can be copied to beep-media-player
[10:16] <dyn> (ofc i'm talking about linux gaming with wine, not windows)
[10:17] <elwood> dyn,  are u able to play windows game with wine?
[10:17] <dyn> elwood: some, yeah
[10:17] <elwood> dyn,  have u got any documentation for me?
[10:18] <witigonen> I will brb, rebooting to get fglrx.
[10:18] <dyn> elwood: yeah, a short one. install winex, winex hl.exe :)
[10:18] <dyn> elwood: it's pretty much working out of the box these days
[10:18] <elwood> hl.exe?
[10:18] <dyn> half-life, counter-strike, etc
[10:18] <elwood> even with XP?
[10:18] <dyn> huh?
[10:18] <plovs_work> from where is portmap 'controlled'? it is not listening on outside devices (which is good) but I need nfs
[10:19] <elwood> with windows XP i mean
[10:19] <Treenaks> plovs_work: /etc/default/
[10:19] <dyn> elwood: i dont need windows at all to play windows games
[10:19] <dyn> with wine
[10:19] <Juerd_> To report a bug, I must first create an account. This I hate. To use the account, I must first receive a confirmation message. I understand why this is needed.
[10:20] <elwood> dyn,  ok, maybe i am quite confus..that's why i need to read man :)
[10:20] <Juerd_> But it is taking long. Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu's bugzilla's mail server? Is it waitable, or can I better go to work and report the bugs tonight?
[10:20] <plovs_work> Treenaks, that is the 'default' place I shoul have been looking :) ,thanks
[10:20] <Treenaks> Juerd_: it takes seconds..
[10:20] <Juerd_> Treenaks: Has been minutes so far
[10:20] <elwood> btw ubuntu is great. :)
[10:20] <dyn> elwood: www.winehq.com, or www.transgaming.com if you're willing to pay for software
[10:20] <Treenaks> Juerd_: did you enter the correct mail address?
[10:21] <Juerd_> Treenaks: Yes
[10:21] <elwood> dyn,  thanks
[10:21] <Juerd_> It comes in now
[10:22] <Juerd_> Nicely recognised as spam. I wonder why.
[10:23] <Treenaks> Juerd_: ask your spam filter..
[10:23] <Juerd_> Oh, because it is a *-daemon@* and I have that blacklisted. Makes sense :)
[10:23] <Treenaks> whiprush: and?
[10:23] <Treenaks> witigonen: and? :)
[10:25] <witigonen> And, well, I don't know where fglrx-control is, but X started and all that, so I'm assuming that it's working.
[10:25] <witigonen> Ack!  fglrxinfo still says mesa..
[10:25] <elwood> witigonen,  glxgears?
[10:25] <witigonen> 367 fps.
[10:25] <elwood> witigonen,  glxinfo
[10:26] <witigonen> glxinfo... what am I looking for?
[10:26] <Gmail> i burned the iso image to cd it booted ... but when i get to the cd driver stuff i went throu each driver and it still told me incorrect driver
[10:26] <witigonen> Wait, there it is: opengl vendor string, etc. is all saying mesa.
[10:26] <elwood>  glx?
[10:27] <Gmail> i an APHLA d-i sid nightly cd it ever delteched my pata cd drive
[10:27] <Gmail> but the funny thing is the installer works but cant mount my cd drive LOL
[10:28] <Gmail> my cd drive is a lite-on 52x 52x 32x + 16x
[10:28] <witigonen> What was that other mp3 player?  beep-music-player..?
[10:28] <Gmail> in debian it show up as /dev/hdb
[10:28] <|trey|> witigonen: there are many... zinf, beep, rhythmbox, xmms...
[10:28] <elwood> witigonen,  apt-get install beep-media-player
[10:29] <|trey|> muine
[10:29] <plovs_work> anybody got nfs working? i run portmap on 127.. and 192... , i have hosts.allow portmap:192.168. what else?
[10:29] <elwood> muine?lol
[10:29] <witigonen> elwood, thanks.  What about fglrx, any ideas?
[10:30] <Gmail> anyone?
[10:30] <|trey|> elwood: http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[10:30] <elwood> witigonen,  maybe u have to edit your XF86cfg...
[10:30] <Gmail> want to help me?
[10:30] <elwood> |trey|,  :)
[10:30] <elwood> Gmail, depends
[10:30] <Gmail> anyone know where i can find the driver to put on floppy and howto put it onto the floppy???
[10:30] <witigonen> elwood, I followed the instructions in the howto, are there more edits that I need to make?
[10:31] <Gmail> please?
[10:31] <TheMuso> Gmail: what driver?
[10:31] <crimsun> Gmail: when during the Ubuntu install does it fail?
[10:31] <TheMuso> Sorry didn't see your earlier calls for assistance.
[10:31] <Gmail> i dont know what driver i need
[10:31] <elwood> witigonen, i have no idea..with ati but if you follow the wiki..maybe it's all ok
[10:31] <Gmail> but other distros (debian) seem to detech it :)
[10:31] <TheMuso> Gmail: What is not working?
[10:31] <elwood> Gmail, driver ? what u need to do?
[10:34] <Gmail> when i get to "mount cd drive"
[10:34] <Gmail> it give me the error driver not fund
[10:34] <Gmail> and for me to manuly chose it
[10:34] <elwood> cd drive?
[10:34] <TheMuso> Gmail: Which CD are you installing from? The final release?
[10:34] <crimsun> are you booting from the cd-rom, Gmail?
[10:34] <Gmail> i went throu the whole list and non work
[10:34] <Gmail> yes
[10:34] <Gmail> yes
[10:34] <crimsun> Gmail: using the final ubuntu installer?
[10:35] <Gmail> yes
[10:35] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to choose anything
[10:35] <elwood> lol i have never seen ubuntu installer..i come to ubuntu by different road
[10:35] <witigonen> How strange... hte XF86Config file has no mention of mesa, is set up to have fglrx.
[10:35] <iz> Gmail and in your bios is the cd the one to install?
[10:35] <Gmail> IT boots up to the cd
[10:36] <Gmail> i get INTO the installer
[10:36] <torpor> yo.. ubuntu roxit.  just installing it now on my tiBook.  Super cool!!! 
[10:36] <elwood> witigonen, the first timei used to play tuxracers :)
[10:36] <elwood> torpor,  tibook?
[10:36] <torpor> powerbook G4
[10:37] <Gmail> when i get up to the step of mounting the cd drive then i get up to the step MOUNTING THE CD DRIVE
[10:37] <elwood> ibook so :)
[10:37] <torpor> really nice to have a dual-boot OSX/Linux system on my laptop.  man, what nirvana.
[10:37] <witigonen> There's this note here, requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1, I'm using the install that just came out today, is that a problem?
[10:37] <Gmail> its a pata one
[10:37] <Gmail> *the cd drive
[10:37] <pepsi_> why doesnt evolution think anything is junk mail?
[10:37] <elwood> witigonen,  the linux -restricted modules and the kernel have the same version^? 
[10:37] <Gmail> and there is no driver for it in the cd
[10:37] <torpor> elwood: tibook stands for "Titanium Powerbook" .. the first model powerbook G4's were called this, before they switched to those gay-ass aluminum cases.
[10:38] <Gmail> but debian had it on its installer
[10:38] <bronson> Is there any reason ubuntu's kernel source provides "linux-source" rather than "kernel-source"?
[10:38] <crimsun> yes.
[10:38] <crimsun> linux-source makes much more sense
[10:38] <Treenaks> pepsi_: you have to teach it
[10:38] <witigonen> elwood, uname -r reports 2.6.8.1-3-686 (is that correct?  I'm using an Athlon XP 3000+)
[10:38] <crimsun> there were entire threads dedicated to it on debian-devel earlier in the year
[10:38] <elwood> torpor, good! i think i will buy an ebook on spring..these is hope to have it with g5?
[10:38] <bronson> It's no big deal, but it does make apt-get install kernel-package complain.
[10:38] <pepsi_> Treenaks, i have been.. ive been telling it what's junk
[10:39] <torpor> crimsun: does it though?  i would think 'kernel-source' makes more sense, since 'linux' is generally considered the 'whole distrosystem'
[10:39] <Treenaks> pepsi_: you should feed it about 200 messages of junk
[10:39] <stvn> i thought evolution could do some trick together with spamassassin
[10:39] <elwood> 2.6.9 is out 
[10:39] <elwood> :)
[10:39] <torpor> even though i know that linux is just a kernel, plus the GNU tools (+Whatever) .. i still think its better to name the kernel sources "kernel-source"...
[10:39] <bronson> I shan't re-open any lengthly discussions on this one.
[10:39] <pepsi_> Treenaks, does it forget what i taught it if i delete my junk mail?
[10:40] <Treenaks> pepsi_: I don't think so
[10:40] <Gmail> any one know where the hell to find the driver for a pata cd driver
[10:40] <elwood> witigonen,  and linux-restricc ecc ecc?
[10:40] <bronson> linux-source, kernel-source, either one's fine with me.
[10:40] <witigonen> elwood, I don't know how to check that.
[10:40] <Treenaks> Gmail: you don't need a driver, it'll just work
[10:40] <bronson> I'm just wondering why it was changed.  And why kernel-package dependencies weren't updated to match.
[10:40] <Treenaks> Gmail: pata CDs are the 'standard'...
[10:41] <elwood> witigonen,  apt-cache show nameofdeb
[10:41] <Gmail> Treenaks: well it doesnt
[10:41] <Treenaks> Gmail: have you read the output from dmesg?
[10:41] <Gmail> it goes into the installer and after lang selection and all that 
[10:41] <Treenaks> Gmail: is the drive connected properly?
[10:42] <Gmail> it says it cant mount it
[10:42] <Gmail> YES
[10:42] <Gmail> it works in debian
[10:42] <witigonen> elwood: Um.. linux-restricted is the name of the deb?  Nothing. 
[10:42] <torpor> woohoo!! it boots!  WHAT A ROCKING LINUX DISTRO!!! :)
[10:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: do Alt+F3 when you get an installer error
[10:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: that should give you details
[10:42] <Treenaks> Gladiak: maybe the disc is just broken
[10:42] <Ubuntu> ok
[10:43] <elwood> witigonen, try with the name of the pack
[10:43] <Ubuntu> hmm who registerd this nick?
[10:43] <witigonen> elwood, sorry, but what's the name of the package?
[10:43] <xskoulax> woohoo i not longer need to type Ubuntu in its entirery ;)
[10:43] <elwood> witigonen, it isn't in the wiki?
[10:43] <crimsun> torpor: read the threads: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/11/msg00398.html
[10:44] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok rebooting
[10:44] <witigonen> elwood, no, they just say, 'Note: requires linux-restried modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1" and then the instructions which I followed to the t.  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto for reference.
[10:45] <witigonen> elwood, linux-686 is the proper one for my system, right?
[10:45] <elwood> yes
[10:46] <elwood> witigonen,  i am using a kernel of mine..
[10:47] <witigonen> elwood, does fglrx need to be placed in the modules loaded with X when it boots?  I've noticed glx but no fglrx in the list.
[10:47] <witigonen> Also, elwood, should I remove the mesa packages?
[10:47] <elwood> sorry i have no idea ..i am not pratic of ati 
[10:48] <witigonen> Hm.  Anybody have any idea?
[10:49] <Gmail> ok i get the error:
[10:49] <elwood> witigonen, no..don't remove!
[10:49] <Gmail> No Common Cd driver deteched
[10:49] <Gmail> nothing abnormal in tty3
[10:49] <torpor> Wow, I really am stoked.  This is really impressive guys.  UBUNTU on my Powerbook ... really rockin' !!!!!
[10:49] <Gmail> aka alt + F3
[10:50] <mrjive> torpor: :)
[10:50] <Gladiak> bye bye boys
[10:50] <Gladiak> :)
[10:50] <mrjive> torpor: it's the same for the installation on my girlfriend's powerbook :))
[10:50] <witigonen> elwood, gotcha.
[10:50] <torpor> i just can't get over it.
[10:51] <torpor> even frickin' Airport works, and was smooth as hell to set up, WEP and all.
[10:51] <Juerd_> Summary: two new bugs and two "me too"s.
[10:51] <torpor> damn.
[10:51] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok who was helping me before i rebooted to try the installtion cd?????????????????????????
[10:51] <Juerd_> torpor: You appear to be more lucky than I :)
[10:51] <torpor> now i just gotta try and Grok the Debian Way ...
[10:51] <Juerd_> torpor: The Debian way is mostly "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" :)
[10:51] <torpor> (I'm a tarball-install kinda guy, I don't mind running autogen.sh by hand...)
[10:52] <torpor> i know nothing about apt-get yet.
[10:52] <witigonen> See, here's what I don't get, I'm supposed to make sure that I have a certain version of linux-restricted modules but they aren't showing up on apt or apt-cache or... anything.
[10:52] <togs> If I install drupal as a package from universe, what do I type in firefox to access it?
[10:52] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok who was helping me before i rebooted to try the installtion cd???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[10:52] <torpor> Juerd_: you trying to install on a Powerbook?
[10:52] <pepsi_> ????
[10:52] <Juerd_> torpor: No, an intel box
[10:53] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: can i ask you to stop behaving that childish?
[10:53] <Juerd_> torpor: Here's the apt-get quick introduction: "apt-cache search foo" searches for foo
[10:53] <Juerd_> torpor: "apt-get install foo" installs foo, "apt-get update" updates the local package lists
[10:53] <elwood> witigonen,  it works?
[10:53] <Ubuntu-Linux> dyn: i am asking who was helping me 5min ago
[10:53] <Krypt0n> apt-get install moo
[10:53] <witigonen> elwood, No.  
[10:53] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: most ppl would be happy to help you but please don't disturb others, keep it clean, smart, short and friendly
[10:53] <torpor> Juerd_: cool, similar to emerge then.
[10:53] <crimsun> (it's actually `apt-get moo')
[10:53] <Krypt0n> heh
[10:53] <Krypt0n> :P
[10:54] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: and i dont know who helped you, sorry :( 
[10:54] <Juerd_> torpor: "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrades the entire distribution, "dpkg -S foo" searches for the installed package that contains the file foo
[10:54] <torpor> much easier than CRUX.
[10:54] <oferw555> where I can find information about how to trnalsate ubunau?
[10:54] <Ubuntu-Linux> qho was here 5min ago
[10:54] <Juerd_> "dpkg -L foo" gives a list of files in the installed foo package
[10:54] <Ubuntu-Linux> who was here 5min ago
[10:54] <pepsi_> just ask your question
[10:55] <torpor> so i've just installed Warty - do i need to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' now, or am i pretty much current?
[10:55] <togs> Can I ask mine again? :)
[10:55] <Ubuntu-Linux> who was can you pm me a log
[10:55] <Juerd_> "dpkg -i foo.deb" manually installs a .deb package, "dpkg --force-all -i" is the easiest way to destroy your otherwise perfectly functioning system, so never do a --force-all.
[10:55] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: i think you (as Gmail) talked to Treenaks though
[10:55] <Juerd_> torpor: It doesn't hurt to try.
[10:55] <dyn> but he might be busy/away/etc at the moment
[10:55] <Juerd_> torpor: update before you upgrade. update updates the package database
[10:55] <Ubuntu-Linux> elwood: you where here mind giving me a log from 10min to now?
[10:56] <Ubuntu-Linux> D/M
[10:56] <torpor> what are some cool apps that i should install now?
[10:56] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: here?
[10:56] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: hm?
[10:57] <elwood> ubuntu i am not logging :)
[10:57] <elwood> torpor,  cool for?
[10:57] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: <Gmail> ok i get the error:
 witigonen, no..don't remove!
 No Common Cd driver deteched
 nothing abnormal in tty3
 aka alt + F3
[10:57] <crimsun> torpor: no new updates have been installed.
[10:57] <elwood> torpor,  now u can start with wardriveng
[10:57] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: strange.. don't know then
[10:58] <Ubuntu-Linux> i got the normal loading driver stuff in tty3
[10:58] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: please dont paste 3+ lines to a channel either. there aren't many common rules of ircing, but you should try to keep those in mind :)
[10:58] <witigonen> Anybody know anything about fglrx/ATI cards in ubuntu?
[10:58] <Ubuntu-Linux> dyn: NORMAl channel's allow 5-7
[10:58] <Ubuntu-Linux> i never herd 3 in my life
[10:58] <togs> I am having trouble with the current Samba package. I did a clean install of Ubuntu, and let it update. When I went to install Samba, it gave me errors about symlinks, but it appears to work fine. Anybody else having similar issues?
[10:59] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: most channels I know don't allow pasting at all
[10:59] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: should i google for the driver?
[10:59] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: i might have been ircing at abnormal places for 8 years then :-)
[11:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> well #debian #gentoo #freenode #mandrake #fedora #flexcp .... all allow at lest 5 lines
[11:00] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: what kind of ATA controller and CD drive do you have?
[11:00] <elwood> 8 years...still u have a real life?
[11:00] <daniels> dpkg -l libxproto-xf86dga
[11:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: i dont know i hardly used it
[11:00] <Treenaks> elwood: real.. life?? where do I download that? do you have a .torrent?
[11:00] <daniels> (wrong window)
[11:00] <elwood> i am about third year
[11:01] <dyn> haha Treenaks :)
[11:01] <crimsun> Ubuntu-Linux: let's try to stay on-topic. Try #flood for pastes >=4 lines, thanks. :)
[11:01] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: the CD drive name should be on it.. readable
[11:01] <togs> Samba bug number is 2492, if anybody's interested
[11:01] <dyn> elwood: i've got on ircing when i started the university
[11:01] <elwood> Treenaks,  good :)
[11:01] <dyn> elwood: and slowly you learn complete multitask scheduling between your daily tasks and irc :P)
[11:02] <elwood> dyn, i have met my actual girlfriend on irc.. :P
[11:02] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: i am forced to use mandrake on this sytem as it was the ONLY installtion cd i had after my hdd went DIED
[11:02] <elwood> yes
[11:02] <dyn> elwood: hah and you ask that? =)
[11:02] <togs> If I install the drupal CMS as a package from universe, how do I access it?
[11:02] <Ubuntu-Linux> and manbrake doesnt have modconf
[11:02] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: you don't need it! it should be detected automatically
[11:02] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: if it isn't, file a bug
[11:02] <Ubuntu-Linux> so i cant see what module it uses
[11:03] <elwood> i wan't serious :)
[11:03] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: it isnt and i want to install NOW! i hate manbrake
[11:03] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: an aphla d-i deteched it
[11:03] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: Then you'll have to tell me the make/model of your CD drive, and the way it's connected to your ATA chip
[11:03] <Ubuntu-Linux> and it was a sid nightly
[11:04] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: and what kind of chip it is
[11:04] <crimsun> togs: more than likely how you would access it in debian sarge/sid
[11:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok ide 3 slave i think
[11:04] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: ide3? that's a lot
[11:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> its a lite-on
[11:04] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: is it connected to a PATA controller, or to a SATA controller using a convertor?
[11:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: yea the sata is 1 and 2 on my bois for some reson
[11:05] <Ubuntu-Linux> pata
[11:05] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: ok.. so it's a sata/pata thing
[11:05] <Ubuntu-Linux> any reason debian detech other distro do but ubuntu doesnt
[11:05] <dyn> Ubuntu-Linux: `lspci -v  | grep -i A1 ide` could also help finding out what you got
[11:06] <togs> crimsun, I don't follow :)
[11:06] <dyn> grep -iA1 ofc
[11:06] <elwood> entropy of os
[11:06] <Ubuntu-Linux> grep: ide: No such file or directory
[11:06] <dyn> lspci -v  | grep -iA1 ide
[11:06] <dyn> i made a typo
[11:06] <Ubuntu-Linux> 0_0
[11:07] <dyn> :)
[11:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP] )
[11:07] <Ubuntu-Linux>         Subsystem: Asustek Computer, Inc.: Unknown device 80a6
[11:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> 2 lines :)
[11:07] <dyn> lol :)
[11:07] <dyn> fine
[11:07] <dyn> that smells like pretty standard stuff
[11:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> yes
[11:08] <Ubuntu-Linux> lite-on is very comon on white boxes in australia
[11:09] <sivang> Ubuntu-Linux : they are pretty nice quality thingies.
[11:09] <Ubuntu-Linux> yes
[11:09] <sivang> Ubuntu-Linux : I had much trouble with LG, got a liteon as a replacement - works swell :)
[11:09] <Ubuntu-Linux> lol
[11:10] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok how do i install off my hdd?
[11:10] <dyn> i had an LG cdrom too.. i could repeatedly made my gentoo totally hang with it
[11:10] <dyn> 'd got rid of it asap
[11:10] <dyn> actually i traded that cdrom drive with a windowzer friend (yeah i got some ;) to that matrox card :)
[11:11] <Ubuntu-Linux> so there are such things as win-burners :)
[11:11] <sivang> btw, has anyone had success installing the release on a machine with Adaptec AIC-7899 SCSI UltraWide 2 controller?
[11:11] <Ubuntu-Linux> EEEK win-friend
[11:12] <dyn> sivang: Adaptec AIC-7899P U160/m (rev 01) here in a box, running debian woody
[11:12] <togs> can you get OEM hardware? maybe that's it
[11:12] <dyn> with a -ck kernel, so stock scsi kernel drivers
[11:12] <Ubuntu-Linux> yes
[11:12] <sivang> dyn : Isn't that an amazing controller? Do you know where I can get cheap disks (LVD) for it?
[11:12] <_Hiro_> how can I add the i2o drivers to the initrd? when I use mkinitrd it complains about /dev/i2o/hda3 not being a valid block device
[11:13] <_Hiro_> and it doesn't seem to make a cramfs :/
[11:13] <dyn> sivang: huh no idea really.. even if i had, you woudn't be too happy with hungarian addresses ;)
[11:13] <sivang> dyn : you're from hungary?  why wouldn't I be happy with them? My mom speak *fluent* hungerian.
[11:13] <sivang> dyn : :)
[11:14] <dyn> woot :)
[11:14] <Ubuntu-Linux> "fluent: ?
[11:14] <sivang> dyn : because of my .il origin ?
[11:14] <dyn> shame on me :( .il is for ..?
[11:14] <xskoulax> israel?
[11:15] <Ubuntu-Linux> yes xskoulax
[11:15] <xskoulax> woot :)
[11:15] <dyn> ;)
[11:15] <Ubuntu-Linux> il = ilrael
[11:15] <dyn> sivang: and you know some words too? or speak no .hu at all?
[11:15] <bitserf> i'm wondering if there's the off chance that someone here was playing with kernel cryptoloop support about a year ago on an oldish 2.6 kernel...any chances of getting rc5 support in the newer kernels? trying to retrieve my GPG off an encrypted filesystem :P
[11:15] <sivang> dyn : not at all :( , however I do speak few words in romanian, yeddish :)
[11:16] <dyn> ok :)
[11:16] <bitserf> *GPG key
[11:16] <elwood> sivang, i am study arab at univ and next year i will start with ebraic :)
[11:17] <sivang> elwood : oh, arab is so call. Howeer it tends to get very complicated and tough if you're trying to speak litrerature arabic
[11:17] <sivang> call = cool
[11:18] <elwood> sivang, i am on 3 year with arab,but ebraic seems to be more intereseting 
[11:19] <sivang> elwood : well, as it was a basis for many more late semmisic languages, it does contain all the broad range of stuff that's been cut down on those derivatives :)
[11:20] <elwood> right
[11:20] <dyn> how nice
[11:21] <xskoulax> you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time ;)
[11:21] <lupus_> how can I see from which package pmount is part?
[11:21] <crimsun> dpkg -S pmount
[11:22] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok how do i get what driver my cd drive uses and put it on floppy to stop the error?
[11:24] <glar00k> moo
[11:24] <Ubuntu-Linux> booo
[11:24] <glar00k> hrhr
[11:24] <Ubuntu-Linux> lol
[11:26] <bronson> I've created a "Compiling a kernel the Ubuntu way" page on the wiki.
[11:26] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompile
[11:26] <bronson> You guys mind giving it a look and telling me any issues?
[11:27] <dyn> checking it
[11:27] <Pizbit> bronson: One question, why the # in front of all the command?:)
[11:27] <bronson> Says you should be root.
[11:27] <dyn> sign of root prompt
[11:28] <bronson> I should probably put a note in there about fakeroot.
[11:28] <dyn> (though you could mention using sudo -s first to get a root prompt)
[11:28] <bronson> dyn: good point.
[11:28] <Pizbit> Heh, how're they supposed to know that's what they mean?
[11:28] <dyn> and i would rather popularize using `uname -a` to check the kernel version but it's the very same thing
[11:29] <crimsun> i would use sudo instead of root
[11:29] <Ubuntu-Linux> brb later
[11:29] <crimsun> that follows the Ubuntu philosophy more closely
[11:29] <bronson> dyn: cat /proc/version shows more info.
[11:30] <Pizbit> All you need is the version number though?
[11:30] <dyn> bronson: what about the boot manager? the kernel image deb installs the image correctly with the boot manager?
[11:30] <bronson> I should hope so!
[11:30] <crimsun> bronson: also, you only need to sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-image
[11:30] <dyn> (i've always only compiled kernels by hand)
[11:30] <bronson> I'll tell you in 1/2 hour when this compile is done...
[11:30] <lypanov> umm
[11:31] <bronson> The Debian instructions said bin86 too.  Is that outdated?
[11:31] <dyn> i dont think it's outdated, but should be included in build-essential
[11:31] <dyn> you still need asm stuff for a kernel luckily :)
[11:32] <bronson> dyn: it's not included in build-essential.
[11:32] <dyn> it aint?
[11:32] <dyn> keep it then in your doco
[11:32] <bronson> Pretty sure no.   At least I don't see the dependency.
[11:33] <crimsun> no, it's not
[11:33] <Tufek> hi everyone
[11:33] <crimsun> hi
[11:34] <bronson> crimsun: should I still recommend installing libncurses-dev?
[11:34] <Tufek> i have a question..I use dial-up internet ,pcimodem ,is it work fine ubuntu linux or no?
[11:34] <bronson> Or, if someone's making menuconfig, they'll already know to do thiat...
[11:34] <Treenaks> Tufek: which kind f pci modem
[11:34] <crimsun> bronson: i would mention it, yes.
[11:34] <Treenaks> Tufek: have you looked at the 'supported hardware' list?
[11:34] <Tufek> hcf
[11:34] <togs> what other distros were people using before moving to Ubuntu? If I can ask :)
[11:34] <dyn> bronson: it's not trivial for non-debian users
[11:35] <dyn> togs: debian, gentoo
[11:35] <crimsun> togs: i still use quite a few
[11:35] <dyn> togs: and slack, redhat and freebsd for a few weeks each
[11:35] <bronson> dyn: It's not trivial even for Debian users!
[11:35] <bronson> At least, I've been using Debian for years, but this is new to me...
[11:36] <crofty> hi , how do i know that my order for a version of ubuntu on cd has been aceepted?
[11:36] <togs> Oky
[11:36] <gelfling> togs: i'm still noob, but i played with in order redhat, mandrake, libranet, slack, debian n gentoo
[11:37] <dyn> bronson: you didn't compile too many kernels then, did you :) (no problems with that anyway)
[11:37] <bronson> dyn: I compiled a ton.  Just not with make-kpkg.
[11:37] <dyn> bronson: you used make config instead?
[11:37] <bronson> make bzlilo.
[11:37] <dyn> i've never used make-kpkg either
[11:37] <torpor> damn... whats my root password?  Does ubuntu ask me to enter one when i do an install?  I can't remember if it did or not .. and the password i thought it was, isn't working ...
[11:37] <dyn> bronson: i mean for the config
[11:38] <bronson> Oh, yeah.  make menuconfig.
[11:38] <Treenaks> torpor: read the FAQ -- ubuntu uses sudo for everything
[11:38] <gelfling> torpor: nope u use sudo
[11:38] <Treenaks> torpor: (because of security)
[11:38] <torpor> waaa?  i can't login as root?
[11:38] <bronson> The new Qt config is nice, but menuconfig is just so much snappier.
[11:38] <crimsun> torpor: no. use sudo.
[11:38] <torpor> so what does this mean - i have to use my own password to sudo?
[11:38] <dyn> nod
[11:38] <crimsun> sudo <some action that would require root privs>
[11:38] <Treenaks> torpor: why would you want to login as root?
[11:39] <torpor> Treenaks: so i can do root things without having to use sudo all the damn time.
[11:39] <dyn> ofc nothing keeps you putting back the root to its powers :) just make sure you know what and why you're doing :)
[11:39] <torpor> i'm a Unix pro.  i don't need no sudo!
[11:39] <crimsun> heh
[11:39] <Treenaks> torpor: Read. The. FAQ.
[11:39] <crimsun> savvy adminstrators know that elevated privileges are -bad-
[11:39] <Treenaks> torpor: sudo also gives an audit trail..
[11:39] <torpor> dyn: sudo is for gimps.
[11:40] <dyn> torpor: rotfl.. are you coming from AIX or wot? :)
[11:40] <torpor> no.
[11:40] <torpor> RISCOS.
[11:40] <torpor> ;)
[11:40] <bronson> torpor: the good answer is in the wiki.  The frustrating answer is in the faq.
[11:40] <dyn> :P)
[11:40] <torpor> and i don't mean that Acorn crap, I mean MIPS.
[11:40] <dyn> why you want linux then? ;)
[11:41] <torpor> for my powerbook, duh.
[11:41] <bronson> torpor: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[11:41] <Tufek> Treenaks, sorry i didnt find supported hardware' list ,do u know exackt adres?
[11:41] <torpor> bronson: thanks, there already
[11:41] <tuo2> torpor: sudo -s
[11:41] <Treenaks> torpor: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[11:41] <bronson> You Ubuntu guys really should link to that page from the main site, especially "Benefits of this model"
[11:42] <torpor> bah!
[11:42] <MacPlusG3> torpor: AIX is IBM's unix that runs on their POWER cpus
[11:42] <torpor> i know what AIX is, MacPlusG3 .. 
[11:42] <sabdfl> morning all
[11:42] <tuo2> torpor: what's wrong with sudo -s?
[11:42] <MacPlusG3> torpor: maybe i was just confused by the Acorn and MIPS mentions :)
[11:42] <bronson> It's seriously frustrating otherwise.
[11:42] <tuo2> morning sabdfl 
[11:42] <dyn> morning
[11:43] <torpor> tuo2: when i've got 15 things to do as root, i don't wanna sudo -s.  i want my own root ENV, etc.
[11:43] <tuo2> torpor: sudo -s; then source your root.bashrc
[11:43] <sabdfl> torpor: sudo bash
[11:43] <torpor> this model is fine for linux gimps.
[11:43] <torpor> gross.
[11:43] <tuo2> meh.
[11:43] <elwood> rebooting for 2.6.9
[11:44] <dyn> torpor: if you feel too elite for the environment, what are you doing here? :-)
[11:44] <dyn> torpor: get openbsd and push it on your powerbook
[11:44] <sabdfl> hey everybody's welcome, even the l33t
[11:44] <torpor> dyn: damnit, did i say i was too elite for the environment?  no.  if you think that i'm too elite for this environment, you should stop acting like a coffeeshop psychologist.
[11:44] <sabdfl> chill guys
[11:44] <dyn> rotflmao
[11:44] <torpor> i'm not leet.
[11:45] <dyn> ok, great then
[11:45] <torpor> i just don't like sudo.  whatever.  now i've read the wiki, turned on my root account, i'm happy.  see:  :)
[11:45] <tuo2> heh.
[11:45] <dyn> woah
[11:45] <Treenaks> torpor: no, but you can set a root password if you like. just consider using sudo
[11:45] <tuo2> which is fairy nuff.
[11:45] <Treenaks> torpor: so shut up
[11:45] <tuo2> he's already done that by the sounds of things, Treenaks 
[11:45] <torpor> Treenaks: you shut up.
[11:45] <tuo2> don't be unneccessarily harsh, dude.
[11:45] <tuo2> :)
[11:45] <torpor> its nice that the answer was so concise, and well described.
[11:46] <torpor> i'm happy with ubuntu. 
[11:46] <tuo2> woo. :
[11:46] <tuo2> )
[11:47] <dyn> 'happiness is free' ;)
[11:47] <togs> is there a good download manager for linux at all?
[11:47] <HcE> firefox?
[11:47] <HcE> wget?
[11:48] <togs> oky
[11:48] <bronson> btdownloadcurses?
[11:48] <pisuke> togs, http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/
[11:49] <torpor> damn, if only human circile of friends didn't have that dude in it.
[11:49] <torpor> i find that offensive.
[11:49] <torpor> :)
[11:49] <Treenaks> torpor: gimp him out 8)
[11:49] <torpor> maybe i could just put boobs on him.
[11:50] <torpor> i'm terrible with gimps' alpha channel.
[11:50] <torpor> :)
[11:50] <tuo2> :/
[11:50] <tuo2> ;)
[11:50] <togs> thanks, pisuke
[11:51] <torpor> so this mark shuttleworth guy .. been to space, has he?
[11:51] <tuo2> torpor: ask him.
[11:51] <pisuke> togs, in ubuntu apt-get install d4x
[11:52] <tuo2> he's around atm.
[11:52] <togs> oky
[11:52] <torpor> whats his nick?
[11:52] <sabdfl> torpor: yes, i have
[11:52] <torpor> sabdfl: if you fart in space, does it hang around all day?
[11:52] <torpor> i would imagine that gravity is essential to good fart control.
[11:52] <sabdfl> in the soyuz, which is really small, yes
[11:53] <torpor> 3 days in the soyuz, right?  or is it 2?
[11:54] <torpor> pisuke: apt-get install d4x doesn't work on my new ubuntu system, alas...
[11:54] <cardador> torpor: i just did it now...
[11:54] <torpor> i'm a newbie to apt-get.. i just did 'sudo apt-get install d4x' and it told me it can't find package d4x...
[11:54] <alakdan> hi, where can I find the ubuntu package for java?
[11:54] <cardador> torpor: have you enabled universe rep?
[11:55] <pisuke> torpor, enable the universe repository
[11:55] <torpor> cardador: nope.  don't have the foggiest what that is.  i just finishe dinstalling ubuntu on my powerbook.
[11:55] <mathjazz> torpor: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:55] <torpor> n/m, i can read the comments.
[11:55] <cardador> torpor: just edit sources.list and uncoment the line that has universe
[11:56] <cardador> then apt-get update
[11:56] <dkg> hi!
[11:56] <torpor> yeah, just saw that.
[11:56] <torpor> thanks.
[11:56] <dkg> with what can I mix? unstable or testing?
[11:56] <torpor> sabdfl: so, do you think you'll go to space again?
[11:56] <bronson> OK, I hope I added all the changes.
[11:56] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompile
[11:56] <bronson> I need to head to bed.
[11:56] <bronson> Feel free to make changes.  I'll write that last section when the compile finishes tomorrow morning...
[11:57] <bronson> s/write/finish/
[11:57] <torpor> is there a mac-on-linux package for ubuntu, anyone know?  i'd like to try and get that working now that i've got ubuntu settled on my powerbook ...
[11:58] <torpor> and .. what does "Allow configuration from the login screen" mean in the "Login Screen Setup" panel, "Security" tab?
[11:58] <bronson> torpor: basilisk
[11:59] <bronson> torpor: or pearpc if you want OSX.
[11:59] <torpor> i thought that there was a way i can run my OSX install 'within' Linux, though?  Mac-On-Linux, isn't it called?
[12:00] <alakdan> anybody got any idea where I could download jdk for ubuntu?
[12:00] <atariboy> what is the default root password for Ubuntu?
[12:01] <Pizbit> atariboy: Read the wiki/faq on sudo
[12:01] <atariboy> k. ta
[12:01] <pisuke> alakdan, get it from java.sun.com
[12:01] <Netminder> alakdan: there are directions on how to install on the wiki
[12:01] <torpor> atariboy: use sudo.  its far superior.
[12:01] <Netminder> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[12:02] <jacob> Hmm. "sudo cdrecord -scanbus" gives me crap...
[12:02] <Treenaks> jacob: use sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/yourcdromplayer
[12:02] <alakdan> Netminder: ok thanks :)
[12:02] <atariboy> I don't know the password though. i pressed enter twice accidentaly and didn't see what it said during install
[12:02] <torpor> you mean you don't know your own password?
[12:02] <Treenaks> atariboy: your own password..
[12:02] <Treenaks> atariboy: there is no root pw
[12:02] <jacob> Treenaks, ok, but shouldnt "-scanbus" still give some sort of reasonable output
[12:03] <atariboy> hmm. i know mine.. didn't seem to work.
[12:03] <Treenaks> jacob: no, it's broken :(
[12:03] <Netminder> alakdan: go for the quick install route, it worked fine for m
[12:03] <Netminder> e
[12:03] <jacob> Treenaks, ok, thanks, gonna burn WW then
[12:03] <alakdan> Netminder: the method 4?
[12:03] <__daniel> hai
[12:03] <sabdfl> torpor: i hope to
[12:04] <alakdan> Netminder: oh, the 'quick install' route. found it. thanks
[12:05] <alakdan> hmm, whats the multiverse?
[12:05] <torpor> alakdan: the sum total of all of our universes, described by god?
[12:06] <Netminder> alakdan: "universe" in the /sources.list file in /etc/apt is the default setting, I believe that multiverse includes a bit more, including some non-free stuff
[12:06] <alakdan> Netminder: so ill just append multiverse in one of my entry in sources.list?
[12:06] <torpor> i don't see mac on linux in the universe .. is there 'another' universe?  
[12:07] <Treenaks> try multiverse
[12:08] <Netminder> alakdan: yeah then apt-get update and do the quick install from there
[12:08] <Netminder> or sudo apt-get update ven
[12:08] <Netminder> even
[12:08] <CraHan> so I tried this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[12:08] <atariboy> weird... sudo wont accept my user password
[12:08] <CraHan> but as was to be expected
[12:08] <atariboy> but i can log in with that same pass
[12:08] <CraHan> after installing all the packages NetworkManagerInfo fails to start
[12:09] <CraHan> gives me an error about "not allowed to own the service"
[12:10] <torpor> so i can just install deb packages on ubuntu now, right?  i'm really a newbie to debian, i've ignored it for years.
[12:11] <atariboy> torpor:  yep. apt-get works :)
[12:12] <torpor> i'm trying to get mac-on-linux on my machine, thats all ..
[12:16] <torpor> oh dear.  this is really confusing.  how do i get my kernel sources installed?
[12:16] <alakdan> just wondering, how do I apply security updates after doing apt-get update? and is there a way to query the packages that needs updating?
[12:17] <Treenaks> torpor: apt-get install linux-source-2.6
[12:18] <torpor> so this will give me a normal /usr/src/linux tree?  
[12:19] <torpor> is there a package i can select that'll turn the system into a full developer suite?  i.e. so i don't have to hand-pick all the 'normal dev tools' packages?
[12:19] <torpor> doh.  never mind.  i'm reading the FAQ.
[12:22] <mrjive> is it okto burn an iso image through nautilus-cd-burner? will it be bootable? i.e. does nautilus recognise it is an iso image and not simply a file?
[12:22] <CraHan> so does anyone have any ideas how to tell nautilus-cd-burner to use /dev/sg0 and not /dev/sr0 to burn a cd using cdrecord?
[12:22] <CraHan> when I use cdrecord with /dev/sg0 on the commandline it works fine
[12:22] <CraHan> but nautilus-cd-burner keeps trying to use /dev/sr0
[12:23] <dyn> CraHan: symlink it? :)
[12:23] <CraHan> dyn: can't both devices are valid
[12:24] <CraHan> /dev/sr0 is the one I need to use to automount the cdrom
[12:24] <CraHan> /dev/sg0 is the one I need to burn to it
[12:24] <atariboy> How can i get into a text mode console. Preferably before Ubuntu boots X11/gnome
[12:24] <CraHan> strange I know, but I can't get it to automount using /dev/sg0
[12:24] <dyn> atariboy: pass 'single' on the kernel command line
[12:25] <dyn> i'm not that familiar with ubuntu so far but that should boot you into runlevel 1 (single mode), where you can do your work and pass towards multiuser runlevels
[12:25] <CraHan> yeah when grub starts go into the menu
[12:25] <mrjive> atariboy: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/K99gdm
[12:25] <CraHan> go to the line you want to edit
[12:25] <CraHan> type E
[12:25] <CraHan> top line you see type E again
[12:25] <CraHan> append single
[12:25] <CraHan> press enter
[12:25] <CraHan> and b
[12:26] <CraHan> and it'll boot into single user mode
[12:26] <CraHan> the other way is to start and then when gdm is up, press ctrl+alt+f1
[12:26] <CraHan> not the same thing of course
[12:26] <CraHan> but it'll drop you into a console in either case :)
[12:27] <CraHan> mrjive's idea is even better :)
[12:28] <atariboy> sounds easier too :) how would i return from doing the mv command to booting x11 by default again?
[12:28] <mrjive> dyn: using a "single" mode is very different than using a non graphical start ;)
[12:28] <mrjive> atariboy: the invers... rename K99gd into S99gdm
[12:28] <atariboy> ta
[12:29] <mrjive> when the system starts in runlevel 2 every script starting with S is started, while those starting with K are killed
[12:31] <CraHan> I personally move S99blabla to s99blabla
[12:31] <CraHan> since the service wouldn't be running, there wouldn't be a need to kill it
[12:31] <CraHan> but either way works
[12:31] <torpor> what about just using 'telinit 3'?  this won't work?
[12:31] <torpor> or 'telinit 2'?
[12:31] <mrjive> CraHan: it does not work, for example, switching from runlevel 2 to runlevel 1 .. or other
[12:31] <mrjive> it is more correct to use K
[12:32] <CraHan> mrjive: ah yes indeed
[12:33] <CraHan> ok so I hook up the burner, turn it on and syslog reports that sr0 and sg0 are created by udev
[12:33] <CraHan> all fine
[12:33] <dyn> torpor: telinit?
[12:33] <CraHan> strangely enough, gnome won't automount when I add a sg0 line to fstab
[12:33] <CraHan> but does automount when I use sr0
[12:33] <dyn> torpor: init X would boost you into runlevel X, that's fine, but what's telinit? :)
[12:34] <torpor> telinit tells init to go to the runlevel you want.
[12:34] <torpor> so, for single-user 'text-mode', you'd use 'telinit 2' .. i think.  i haven't looked at inittab.
[12:34] <dyn> torpor: so what's the difference between `telinit 2` and `init 2`
[12:34] <mrjive> torpor: right, but single user and text mode are not the same.. :)
[12:34] <dyn> ?
[12:35] <torpor> telinit 1.
[12:35] <torpor> well, on a properly-configured inittab, there is a run-level for 'text-mode only, no GUI'.
[12:35] <torpor> check /etc/inittab.
[12:36] <torpor> dyn: telinit can be used to more gracefully change init states .. with a timeout, etc.
[12:36] <dyn> ok, ic
[12:36] <mrjive> what a bout my nautilus-cd-burner question? anyone knows?
[12:36] <torpor> on some systems, there is a run-level for 'text only, no GUI'.  in fact, there's 2 or 3 of these kinds of 'sub-run levels'.
[12:36] <torpor> i forget how its set up.. check inittab.
[12:37] <dyn> it's distribution-dependent, and inittab describes it, correct
[12:37] <torpor> what i want to know is, why does 'apt-get install linux-sources-2.6' not create /usr/src/linux?  it only seems to put the .bz2 in /usr/src .. am i expected to set up the symlinks and unpack the tarball myself?
[12:37] <deFrysk> torpor, I guess so
[12:38] <Pizbit> torpor: What if there is already a symlink?:)
[12:38] <torpor> there isn't, though.
[12:38] <Pizbit> ...so?
[12:38] <torpor> there's no /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-powerpc/build, either.
[12:39] <torpor> i just want to make sure that, by doing things by hand, i'm not screwing up with something that apt-get could do for me already ...
[12:39] <rancoras> has anyone ever noticed that aisleriot doesn't resize very well, and cards are impossible to pick up if they run off the bottom of the window?
[12:39] <Pizbit> Also downloading can take ages, a sudden unpacking at the end would annoy some people:)
[12:39] <mrjive> torpor: no, apt-get won't do it for you
[12:39] <torpor> mrjive: so i have to make /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build as well, right?
[12:39] <mrjive> nope
[12:40] <torpor> no/
[12:40] <torpor> ?
[12:40] <mrjive> when the kernel is compiled in the debian-way, and it becomes a deb package, you install it
[12:40] <mrjive> and then /lib/modules... is created
[12:41] <mrjive> torpor: don't know if you do not use the debian way
[12:41] <torpor> i'm only trying to do things the 'ubuntu' way.  
[12:41] <torpor> i need full linux source and headers, and i wouldn't mind being able to produce my own kernel and modules, either.  is there a package that will set all that up for me, or do i have to install the source by hand, then the headers, etc?
[12:42] <crimsun> to build external modules, you generally just need the headers
[12:42] <crimsun> linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:42] <darkersatanic> There's a package with the headers in it.
[12:42] <darkersatanic> As the man says. :)
[12:43] <darkersatanic> If you want to build kernel+modules packages from a full kernel source, then there's the "kernel-package" package, 
[12:43] <darkersatanic> which gives you the make-kpkg command.
[12:43] <torpor> hmm.
[12:44] <torpor> very confused.
[12:44] <darkersatanic> That doesn't do any unpacking of kernel sources, though.
[12:44] <darkersatanic> Personally, I just download a tarball from kernel.org,
[12:44] <CraHan> I think I've found some more details about the cdburner problem in nautilus
[12:44] <darkersatanic> unpack it in /usr/local/src
[12:44] <torpor> isn't there some way to get the /usr/src/linux tree set up to build the kernel that ubuntu is running, though?  that sorta sucks, if not.
[12:44] <_Hiro_> anybody know how to create an initrd image for ubuntu?
[12:44] <CraHan> when I connect the dvd burner udev created the character device /dev/sg0 and the block device /dev/sr0
[12:45] <crimsun> _Hiro_: man mkinitrd
[12:45] <_Hiro_> did that, doesn't work
[12:45] <darkersatanic> torpor: I'm not sure. I very rarely use distribution kernels. Sorry.
[12:45] <deFrysk> _Hiro_, with make install ?
[12:45] <CraHan> now cdrecord needs the character device when writing to the burner, but nautilus-cd-burner keeps sending it the block device as a parameter
[12:45] <crimsun> torpor: sure, that's very simple; just use kernel-package.
[12:45] <torpor> okay, so apt-get install kernel-package will give me a proper /usr/src/linux tree, and all i need to be able to compile modules?  
[12:45] <CraHan> is there any way of telling nautilus-cd-burner to send cdrecord the character device and not the block device?
[12:45] <darkersatanic> crimsun: I think the problem is getting hold of and unpacking the relevant patched kernel sources.
[12:45] <darkersatanic> crimsun: As in: "how do you do it The Ubuntu Way?"
[12:45] <_Hiro_> it makes a cramfs initrd, the contents seem fine but on boot it just fails on finding any module :/
[12:46] <darkersatanic> torpor: No, kernel-package is the tool to build kernel packages.
[12:46] <_Hiro_> do I need to do anything special?
[12:46] <darkersatanic> torpor: There should be a kernel-source-x.y.z package with the sources in.
[12:46] <deFrysk> did you do make && make modules_install
[12:46] <deFrysk> ?
[12:46] <_Hiro_> no
[12:46] <crimsun> _Hiro_: did you patch with the cramfs patch first?
[12:47] <_Hiro_> I didn't make a custom kernel
[12:47] <torpor> i've installed that, but all i get is .bz2 tarball in /usr/src.  no /usr/src/linux, no /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1, and my MOL module complains about headers it can't find.
[12:47] <deFrysk> _Hiro_, i see
[12:47] <crimsun> _Hiro_: afaik that patch isn't in vanilla kernels
[12:47] <crimsun> 'lo seb :)
[12:47] <_Hiro_> ubunutu has all the modules made already
[12:47] <_Hiro_> so I'm running mkinitrd on that
[12:47] <_Hiro_> that should work, no?
[12:48] <bob2> _Hiro_: why do you want to make a new initrd?
[12:48] <darkersatanic> torpor: Are you trying to build an out-of-tree module?
[12:48] <_Hiro_> to load i2o_* instead of dpt_i2o
[12:48] <bob2> is that really loaded from the initrd?
[12:48] <torpor> darkersatanic: i'm t rying to build the modules for Mac-On-Linux ... so i guess it is an out-of-tree module...
[12:48] <_Hiro_> yes
[12:48] <_Hiro_> else I couldn't boot :P
[12:48] <espyrian> i know that airport extreme is not supported in ubuntu ppc...
[12:48] <torpor> really, i want my ubuntu setup to be a developer/kernel hacking machine, not just a user box.
[12:49] <espyrian> ... so what optios are there for wireless on a powerbook?
[12:49] <torpor> so if there are dev-packages that i can install that will set up the /usr/src tree as well as the necessary symlinks in /usr/include, that'd be nice.
[12:49] <espyrian> ... eg third party cards etc
[12:49] <torpor> espyrian: get a 'normal' 802.11 PCMCIA card, use it until Airport Extreme is supported?
[12:50] <darkersatanic> torpor: TBH, I'm not sure about what the requirements for building out-of-tree modules are. I've never done it much.
[12:50] <mvo_> r
[12:50] <espyrian> torpor: any recommendations d-link etc?
[12:50] <_Hiro_> if I just get the source for my current kernel and build a kernel from oldconfig, will that be much of a problem? With regards to nvidia and mad-wifi drivers for instance
[12:51] <darkersatanic> torpor: I can only suggest building the base kernel with make-kpkg, installing the kernel-headers and kernel-image packages from that, and then building your extra modules.
[12:52] <darkersatanic> torpor: That may not necessarily be the best, easiest or right way to do it, though. Apologies if it's bad advice.
[12:52] <torpor> hmm.
[12:52] <torpor> what is linux-tree-2.6.8.1 and whats the difference between it and linux-suorce-2.6.8.1?
[12:53] <torpor> i guess i'll install it and find out.
[12:53] <torpor> espyrian: no suggestions, i don't know what works with ubuntu, but i'm sure you can check the FAQ.
[12:53] <espyrian> thanks
[12:53] <__daniel> torpor, apt-cache show linux-tree-2.6.8.1
[12:53] <__daniel> torpor, and look at the dependencies
[12:53] <_Hiro_> oh is ubuntu going to 2.6.9 soon?
[12:54] <_Hiro_> 2.6.8 really has xfs issues :(
[12:54] <torpor> are there any ubuntu maintaners here?  i'd like to suggest that there be a pakage that populates the /usr/src tree with the currently running kernel sources, config and all ...
[12:54] <torpor> ... if there isn't already, that is.
[12:54] <mjg59> _Hiro_: There's unlikely to be a change of kernel version before Hoary
[12:54] <torpor> also - completely unrelated - how come i can't switch windows with Alt-Tab?
[12:55] <_Hiro_> damn :/
[12:55] <_Hiro_> then I'll need to find out how to run 2.6.7 I guess
[12:55] <_Hiro_> last I checked that didn't had those restricted-modules
[12:55] <torpor> just don't use XFS.  i use ext3, its fine.
[12:56] <darkersatanic> torpor: That's a bit unhelpful for someone who's got gigabytes (or terabytes) of data in XFS already.
[12:57] <torpor> darkersatanic: oh.  n/m then.  :)
[12:57] <darkersatanic> I'm not saying that that's the case for _Hiro_, but it might well be. :)
[12:58] <_Hiro_> yeah :/
[12:58] <_Hiro_> and I htink dpt_i2o isn't very stable on 2.6 :|
[12:58] <_Hiro_> hence why I wanted to try i2o
[12:59] <crimsun> torpor: linux-source-2.6.8.1 -> untar in /usr/src
[12:59] <crimsun> torpor: copy /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1/.config
[12:59] <crimsun> torpor: then run `make prepare' in /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1
[01:00] <torpor> crimsun: okay.
[01:00] <torpor> crimsun: thats good advice.
[01:01] <torpor> crimsun: is that in the FAQ somewhere?  if not, can it be?
[01:01] <crimsun> torpor: it can be. Feel free to add it.
[01:02] <torpor> damn, its still not working ...
[01:03] <torpor_> crimsun: can i paste you a compile error message for the module i'm trying to compile?  maybe it'll give you a clue how i need to set up my kernel sources on this new ubuntu install?
[01:04] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:05] <crimsun> torpor_: sure, but #flood's my preferred mechanism
[01:07] <mrjive> torpor: are you trying to compile the kernel, aren't you? why not install kernel-package and o it the simpliest way (debian.way) ?
[01:07] <mrjive> s/o/do/
[01:07] <torpor> i'm trying to get full kernel sources installed on my system so that i can compile external modules.
[01:07] <Bast> is there going to be a kernel upgrade to 2.6.9 in the near future, or is it going to remain the same until hoary?
[01:07] <mrjive> ah ok
[01:07] <torpor> i installed kernel-package, but that didn't give me /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1
[01:08] <mrjive> torpor: install the sources, they are in the /usr/src dir
[01:08] <mrjive> unzip them and make yhe symlink
[01:08] <opi^work> unzip?
[01:08] <torpor> mrjive: i did that, but it still doesn't make the symlinks that are needed
[01:08] <mrjive> ls -l /usr/src/linux.whatever /usr/src/linu
[01:08] <opi^work> it's rather tar jxf ;-)
[01:08] <torpor> no, its bunzip2.
[01:09] <torpor> so it is unzip
[01:09] <mrjive> torpor: for me only /usr/src/linux are usually needed
[01:09] <mrjive> torpor: tar xvfj is good too
[01:09] <opi^work> torpor: why use bunzip?
[01:09] <torpor> i installed linux-sources-2.6.8.1 and it put a .bz2 in /usr/src .. i've unbziped this and made the symlink, but i still can't compile modules.
[01:09] <__daniel> torpor: just use   tar xfj bla.tar.bz2
[01:09] <mrjive> torpor: ok. what is the error?
[01:09] <torpor> crimsun: see #flood
[01:10] <jkg> hmm. is there an easy way to get a list of which packages I've installed from main, which from restricted and which from universe? (actually, just how many would do)
[01:10] <mrjive> torpor: if you unzip than you have also to untar
[01:10] <torpor> mrjive: i'm trying to install the Mac-On-Linux modules so that i can run OSX and Linux concurrently.  it requires the linux kernel sources to be installed and set up on the system.  i installed linux-sources-2.6.8.1, unbzip'ed the file in /usr/src, made the symlink by hand.
[01:10] <torpor> bunzip2 -c linux-sources-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -  <[01:10] <mrjive> torpor: ok good. :)
[01:11] <mrjive> torpor: what error do you get? then?
[01:11] <torpor> the problem is it still looks like my system doesn't have the headers/symlinks necessary to do compiles.
[01:11] <torpor> mrjive: check #flood, i'll re-paste the errors i get when i try to compile the MOL module.
[01:11] <Treenaks> torpor: linux-headers ?
[01:11] <mrjive> torpor: ok i'm joining #flood
[01:18] <maze> ls
[01:19] <jacob> How do I keep my newly installed Ubuntu-system up2date? Is it explained in some doc?
[01:19] <oik> Hi all
[01:20] <maze> hi oik
[01:20] <oik> was wondering if anybody has seen this error when doing "apt-get update": Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[01:20] <oik>   416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable
[01:20] <oik> it used to work...
[01:20] <__daniel> jacob, use synaptic for that
[01:21] <__daniel> oik, do you get that every time?
[01:21] <oik> daniel: yes
[01:21] <Treenaks> oik: did you break off an apt-get update once?
[01:21] <oik> maybe...
[01:21] <skar> hi all, i've just installed 4.10
[01:22] <skar> its looking great
[01:22] <oik> I'm on unreliable dialup so its entirely possible
[01:22] <Ramsed> Hi, is there some place (mailing-list,webpage) where the default choice of packages was (or still is) discussed ? (why both thunderbird and evolution, xmms instead of rhythmbox etc.) ?
[01:22] <skar> btw,how do i change from xfree86 to xorg
[01:22] <Treenaks> oik: remove all files from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/
[01:22] <Treenaks> skar: wait for hoary 
[01:22] <Treenaks> skar: you don't _need_ xorg
[01:22] <oik> treenaks: Ok will try it and let you know...
[01:23] <skar> treenaks:ok, at least how do i install nvidia drivers
[01:23] <__daniel> skar, the next release will include xorg, the transition will take some time
[01:23] <Treenaks> skar: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:23] <skar> treenaks:gr8
[01:24] <bob2> jkg: apt-show-versions can do that
[01:24] <maze> skar apt-cache search nvidia 
[01:25] <maze> install the drivers
[01:25] <maze> :)
[01:25] <Treenaks> maze: the binary driver howto is clearer
[01:25] <maze> sorry
[01:25] <Elw0od> __daniel,  the next release is far away?
[01:25] <jkg> bob2: cool, thanks
[01:25] <Elw0od> skar, i compiled them from sources :)
[01:25] <Treenaks> Elw0od: releases are done every 6 months
[01:25] <Elw0od> ok
[01:25] <Elw0od> so i am safe
[01:25] <Elw0od> i have a 56k :)
[01:26] <oik> treenaks: that seems to have fixed it, thanks.
[01:26] <__daniel> Elw0od, of course
[01:26] <__daniel> Elw0od, but i think you'll be able to upgrade to xorg via apt-get at some stage
[01:27] <Treenaks> __daniel: yes, that will be possible
[01:27] <Elw0od> __daniel, yes it's not a problem..it's a flat 56 k
[01:27] <__daniel> Elw0od, right
[01:27] <Treenaks> Elw0od: you can still upgrade then... a bit slower though :)
[01:27] <Treenaks> Elw0od: or ask someone to burn a new CD or something like that
[01:28] <maze> did AIM just crash
[01:28] <maze> can not access aim
[01:28] <Elw0od> yes but i will upgrade when xorg is on the archive
[01:31] <oik> Is there any way to "rsync" to the package lists, instead of downloading several megs for each "apt-get update"
[01:31] <oik> it's painful on dialup
[01:31] <maze> why are there no ops?
[01:32] <maze> is it just how the freenode ircd works?
[01:32] <__daniel> maze, i guess we don't need ops :-)
[01:32] <maze> cool =)
[01:32] <__daniel> oik, i heard of some development towards that
[01:32] <oik> daniel: is there any way I can help?
[01:33] <maze> my apt-get update takes 30 seconds :p
[01:33] <oik> maze: grrrr
[01:33] <maze> hehe just messing around 
[01:34] <robtaylor> is there a nice way to upgrade by sarge +bits of sid install to ubuntu cleanly?
[01:34] <oik> maze: it wouldn't be so bad if some of my neighbours didn't have broadband...
[01:34] <oik> bloody british telecom
[01:34] <maze> no cable modems?
[01:34] <oik> Ha!
[01:35] <maze> there has to be cable modems in the UK
[01:35] <oik> dialup or nothing for me
[01:35] <robtaylor> maze: theres only one, and they suck
[01:35] <oik> not in my location
[01:35] <maze> damn that seriously sucks
[01:35] <maze> what is the best connection out of the uk
[01:35] <maze> DSL?
[01:36] <oik> well yes, if bloody BT will give it to you
[01:36] <maze> What is the big deal?
[01:36] <Noodles> There are 2 cable modem providers in the UK, but they don't have full coverage and neither of them are in the same areas.
[01:36] <maze> are we "the bloody americans" spoiled w/ broadband
[01:37] <oik> In my location, we have fibre optic connections to the telephone exchange, so no DSL
[01:37] <jind> How do I add the root account? I need it to install the Nvidia driver
[01:37] <maze> use sudo
[01:37] <Treenaks> jind: read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <jind> Thanks
[01:37] <jind> sudo does bu the way not work
[01:38] <maze> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ? doesnt work?
[01:38] <maze> wierd
[01:38] <jind> Maybe that works though
[01:39] <Treenaks> maze: Please read the wiki!
[01:39] <jind> I have just tries to run sudo Nvidia installer
[01:39] <Bast> what's the "right" way to start/stop services in ubuntu?
[01:39] <maze> dood
[01:39] <jind> *tried
[01:39] <Treenaks> maze: it has a very clear explanation of nvidia driver isntallation
[01:39] <maze> i am repeating from the wiki
[01:39] <Treenaks> Bast: sudo invoke-rc.d name stop
[01:39] <maze> why are you all over me
[01:39] <maze> leave me alone
[01:39] <Bast> tree: ah cheers, thanks
[01:40] <torpor> okay, i got mac-on-linux working .. thanks for the help, crimsun and co.
[01:42] <atariboy> woot. Ubuntu is now running properly under VirtualPC :)
[01:45] <jind> What version of gnome is provided by ubuntu linux?
[01:45] <jind> I can't find that information on the web pages
[01:45] <oik> jind: 2.8
[01:45] <jind> Nice
[01:45] <jind> :)
[01:48] <jind> I have hear that gnome 2.8 support a function like the one in mac osx that I can push a button and then every open program scales down to each corner of the screen, effiectely letting me get a overview over what is going on. Is this true?
[01:48] <Treenaks> jind: expose, not yet
[01:48] <Treenaks> expos even
[01:48] <CraHan> grah, guess I'll have to do without the dvd burner on ubuntu
[01:48] <jind> But it'll come later on?
[01:48] <Treenaks> CraHan: what's the problem?
[01:49] <Treenaks> jind: in the next version it might be
[01:49] <Treenaks> (like Yoda I sound..)
[01:49] <jind> That would be awsome
[01:49] <CraHan> Treenaks: when I hook up the usb dvd burner udev creates a block device and a character device /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg0
[01:49] <CraHan> I can use cdrecord from the commandline like:
[01:49] <CraHan> cdrecord --dev=/dev/sg0 or --dev=0,0,0
[01:49] <CraHan> BUT... and here's the problem
[01:50] <CraHan> when I use nautilus-cd-burner, it insists on using /dev/sr0
[01:50] <CraHan> which fails
[01:50] <Treenaks> CraHan: does it give you an error message? it should work fine
[01:50] <tuo2> can one of the canonical guys tell me approximately when  the CD's are to be sent?
[01:50] <CraHan> yes hang on
[01:50] <Bast> ahhh, that's better...
[01:50] <Treenaks> Bast: does it work?
[01:51] <Bast> tree: it does work, but that's not what i was doing :)
[01:51] <Treenaks> :)
[01:51] <Bast> just installed the nvidia-binary driver and i now have a refresh rate that doesn't make my eyes bleed
[01:51] <maze> thats always a plus
[01:51] <Treenaks> I know the feeling
[01:51] <Elw0od> Bast,  i am still trying to install...
[01:51] <CraHan> Treenaks: when I call cdrecord with dev=/dev/sr0 it says the device is at scsibus +2 target -2 and lun -2
[01:52] <CraHan> which is impossible
[01:52] <CraHan> it's at 0,0,0
[01:52] <Elw0od> i have uname -ar 2.6.8.1 ..i get linux.restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3
[01:52] <Treenaks> CraHan: it shouldn't be using scsibus crap at all, just use the /dev/sr0 device.. it's a patched version of cdrecord..
[01:52] <Elw0od> but it says does't match
[01:52] <CraHan> cdrecord: Invalid argument. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer is the error
[01:52] <CraHan> Treenaks: I tried 
[01:52] <Bast> elwood: it's really easy, i just downloaded with synaptic and ran the sudo command from the binary-howto on the wiki - worked first go
[01:52] <CraHan> Treenaks: cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=/dev/sr0 -data image.iso
[01:52] <CraHan> and it fails
[01:53] <CraHan> with that error
[01:53] <Elw0od> Bast,  have u got a compiled by you own kernel?
[01:53] <Dekkard> hmm
[01:53] <Treenaks> very strange, the same command works on my CD burner..
[01:53] <CraHan> this is a usb device though
[01:53] <Treenaks> CraHan: I think the best thing you can do is report a bug
[01:53] <Bast> the installer still didn't detect my monitor, so i had to edit my x config by hand to fix the refresh rate though
[01:53] <CraHan> not an ide device
[01:53] <Dekkard> i thought that with 2.6 kernels.. the whole ide=scsi thing was no longer needed..
[01:53] <Bast> elwood: nope, just standard kernel
[01:53] <Treenaks> CraHan: my burner is USB as well
[01:53] <Treenaks> CraHan: (Apacer Disc Steno CP80)
[01:53] <CraHan> Sony 500Ulx
[01:53] <Treenaks> Dekkard: you're right
[01:54] <Treenaks> Dekkard: but USB is still SCSI
[01:54] <CraHan> I do see messages from udev when I connect the device
[01:54] <CraHan> saying it's creating /dev/sr0 and /dev/sg0
[01:54] <CraHan> I'm assuming that's correct?
[01:55] <CraHan> the cdrecord output when using dev=/dev/sr0 is:
[01:55] <CraHan> scsidev: '/dev/sr0'
[01:55] <CraHan> devname: '/dev/sr0'
[01:55] <_Hiro_> what are the 'restricted-modules' anyway? :|
[01:55] <CraHan> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[01:55] <Bast> now my next step is to get my dvb card working... which would be a snap if i had the right version of the firmware
[01:56] <CraHan> and then it says that opening by devname is unintentional and not supported
[01:56] <Treenaks> _Hiro_: stuff that's "special" (strange licenses etc.)
[01:56] <Treenaks> Bast: which card?
[01:56] <_Hiro_> I see :/
[01:56] <Bast> tree: hauppage nova-t pci
[01:56] <Treenaks> Bast: hm, don't know about that one
[01:56] <_Hiro_> so if it's not in a repository for a certain kernel version then I'm out of luck?
[01:57] <Bast> tree: it's a technotrend card rebadged, the file i'm after is tda1004x.bin - i used to have it, but then i had a drive crash
[01:57] <Treenaks> _Hiro_: you might try to apt-get source it
[01:57] <Bast> and technotrend has since upgraded the firmware which isn't compatible with the 2.6.8.1 tda1004x module
[02:00] <Bast> has anyone tried the wine package out?
[02:00] <Elw0od> modprobe nvidia
[02:00] <Elw0od> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[02:00] <Kamion> CraHan: I tend to ignore cdrecord's whining about opening by devname
[02:00] <Elw0od> so this is my problem
[02:01] <bob2> Elw0od: you didn't install it...wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:01] <CraHan> Kamion: I'd love to ignore it too, if it would at least burn the cd :/
[02:01] <Elw0od> bob2,  i followed all the passage and i have nvdia.ko in /lib/modules..ecc ecc
[02:02] <bob2> Elw0od: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/?
[02:02] <CraHan> i don't understand though why it burns the disc using /dev/sg0 and not using /dev/sr0
[02:02] <CraHan> does anyone know that?
[02:02] <Elw0od> bob2,  ..no!shit 
[02:02] <bob2> it always uses sg.
[02:02] <bob2> Elw0od: ?
[02:02] <Elw0od> bob2,  it creates 2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:02] <CraHan> bob2: not here :) when I use nautilus-cd-burner it says it's using /dev/sr0
[02:03] <bob2> Elw0od: ?
[02:03] <bob2> Elw0od: is itin the dir I said or not?
[02:03] <Treenaks> CraHan: have you filed a bug yet?
[02:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: doing that now
[02:03] <CraHan> need to creat an account first
[02:04] <CraHan> it sent me the password now
[02:06] <Elw0od_21> sorry
[02:06] <Elw0od_21> bob2, i have uname -r 2.6.8.1 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:07] <Elw0od_21> i need different one?
[02:07] <bob2> Elw0od_21: uname -r *really* prints that?
[02:07] <Elw0od_21> yes
[02:07] <Elw0od_21> bob2,  i have a vanilla sources compiled by me
[02:07] <Treenaks> Elw0od_21: ah, don't use those
[02:07] <betances> Hello.  Will the "Open Terminal" desktop-menu item be removed from Ubuntu?
[02:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok any one here that was helping me before?
[02:08] <Ubuntu-Linux> like a few hrs ago
[02:08] <bob2> Elw0od_21: then you need to build your own sety of modules
[02:08] <Elw0od_21> bob2,  ok
[02:08] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: awake/online...?
[02:08] <Elw0od_21> bob2, and then i can install nvidia from?
[02:08] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: hm
[02:09] <bob2> Elw0od_21: yes...why did you build your own kernel?
[02:09] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok so should i get the driver on floopy? Treenaks
[02:09] <Treenaks> betances: I hope not
[02:09] <Elw0od_21> bob2,  i have a winmodem
[02:09] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: what kind of driver?
[02:09] <Elw0od_21> bob2,  i have some particular needs
[02:09] <Ubuntu-Linux> btw is it possible to add a root user to ubuntu?
[02:09] <Kamion> betances: why?
[02:09] <bob2> Elw0od_21: you don't need a custom kernel for a winmodem
[02:10] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: lite-on 52x 52x 32x + 16x
[02:10] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: please read the FAQ
[02:10] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: 'sudo passwd root'
[02:10] <joolz> Ubuntu-Linux: why don't you do sudo -s? This will give you a root shell
[02:10] <Kamion> (and what bob2 said)
[02:10] <Elw0od_21> bob2, but for supporting fs of mine yues
[02:10] <Elw0od_21> yes
[02:10] <betances> Kamion: A user wouldn't really need it...
[02:10] <bob2> Elw0od_21: which filesystem is  that?
[02:10] <Elw0od_21> btw it's possible to install nvidia?
[02:10] <Elw0od_21> udf nfs
[02:10] <Treenaks> Elw0od_21: udf and nfs are both supported by the default kernel
[02:10] <Kamion> betances: we're not really into dumbing down for the sake of dumbing down
[02:10] <bob2> Elw0od_21: the ubuntu kernel supports both udf and nfs.
[02:10] <betances> Kamion: In fact, it looks like this is already solved in GNOME upstream.  Check http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131792
[02:10] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: you talking about http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[02:11] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: yes. and the wiki page.
[02:11] <Elw0od_21> but there is a solution?
[02:11] <Elw0od_21> so i can get an img of prebuilt kernel?
[02:11] <bob2> Elw0od_21: you can do whatever you want.  by building your own kernel, tho, you're making this all harder for yourself.
[02:11] <Kamion> betances: bleh, that was a foolish decision.
[02:11] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: i read it. it doesnt say if it possible to add a normal root user
[02:11] <betances> Kamion:  It's not about dumbing down, but as discussed in that page, does Joe User really need it?
[02:11] <Kamion> betances: it doesn't do Joe User any harm.
[02:11] <Treenaks> I use that 'Open Terminal' thing all the time1
[02:11] <Ubuntu-Linux> like with the user id of 0 ....
[02:11] <Kamion> (and frequently, yes)
[02:12] <Elw0od_21> bob2, but compiling drivers for my modemrequires sources
[02:12] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: it is possible. follow its instructions.
[02:12] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: you want the model number?
[02:12] <Ubuntu-Linux> Kamion: by doing the sudo root pword command?
[02:13] <Ubuntu-Linux> does that add a full root user
[02:13] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: yes (only spelt correctly)
[02:13] <betances> Kamion, Treenaks:  I do too.  But this is about humanity to others, no?  And the majority of those "others" cannot care less about a terminal...
[02:13] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: there already *is* a full root user, with uid 0
[02:13] <Kamion> betances: again: what harm does it do theem.
[02:13] <Ubuntu-Linux> OHHHH so maybe if it was a bit more clear
[02:13] <Kamion> them
[02:13] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: it's very very very clear.
[02:14] <betances> Kamion:  Theretically "none".  In practice, go watch users hit that accidentally.  
[02:14] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: I believe that all our documentation talks about the root account being "disabled", not "removed"
[02:14] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: that won't help much -- if your hardware doesn't work, file a bug about it
[02:14] <bob2> Elw0od_21: yes, that does not require a new kernel.
[02:14] <Ubuntu-Linux> like say: To make the root user usable do the following command...
[02:14] <Elw0od_21> bob2,  u are right
[02:14] <Elw0od_21> let me try
[02:15] <Treenaks> betances: there's a difference between a user and someone who starts running around screaming when he sees a window he does not recognise.
[02:15] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: again, the FAQ says that the root account is "disabled", not "removed".
[02:15] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: it the detechtion which doesnt work but if i put the right driver on floppy why wont it work?
[02:15] <Treenaks> betances: a window with a "help" menu, which explains what it is.
[02:15] <Ubuntu-Linux> i said usable Kamion
[02:15] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok can i just install off the hdd?
[02:16] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: the header of the page says "How do I use the root account?", and goes on to give a very detailed description of what's happening.
[02:16] <Ubuntu-Linux> that i dont have the cd dechtion problem
[02:16] <Ubuntu-Linux> Kamion: i have no idea what sudo is but i do know alot about other stuff
[02:17] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: the FAQ page explains it!
[02:17] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: yea i am on that page that does :)
[02:17] <betances> Treenaks, Kamion:  I insist this is not necessary for a normal user.  There's already a patch to this bug, according to the bug page.  Their solution:  a keybinding providing the same feature.
[02:17] <Treenaks> betances: which is annoying, because it takes op another set of keys
[02:17] <Kamion> betances: which is less discoverable
[02:18] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: so what shound i say in the bug report?
[02:18] <_Hiro_> if I have a 2.6.7 kernel installed, will that work with linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-x ?
[02:18] <betances> Treenaks, Kamion:  As someone suggested, if I have "Open Terminal", I could as well have "Open Text Editor", "Open Mail Reader", etc.
[02:18] <bob2> _no
[02:18] <bob2> _hiro_ no
[02:18] <Treenaks> betances: can't you fight this fight on #gnome or something?
[02:18] <_Hiro_> too bad :/
[02:18] <betances> Kamion, Treenaks:  If you really *need* a terminal, you'll find out how to launch it.
[02:18] <bob2> _Hiro_: why? just install the ubuntu kernel
[02:18] <bob2> disabling it seems pointless to me, too...
[02:19] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: that your CD driver <make> <model> on ATA controller of make X, model Y, is not recognised during install
[02:19] <_Hiro_> well there are no 2.6.7 restricted-modules
[02:19] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok
[02:19] <Treenaks> betances: I don't want to browse through 6 menus to find the xterm launcher.. and the panel is too far away as well
[02:19] <Treenaks> betances: and a key binding is too annoying
[02:19] <bob2> _Hiro_: yes, install an Ubuntu *kernel*
[02:19] <betances> Treenaks, Kamion:  I'm not fighting any fights here guys.  I was just here to ask if it is going to be included in Ubuntu.
[02:19] <Treenaks> betances: I _want_ the desktop thing
[02:19] <bob2> _Hiro_: for which there is matching modules
[02:19] <betances> Treenaks:  There's a Nautilus extension which provides the exact same thing.  
[02:19] <_Hiro_> well that's what's not good
[02:20] <_Hiro_> 2.6.8 has issues with XFS
[02:20] <jind> I have just installed k3b, the cdrecord / cdrdao frontend, but how do I regerenerate the menues so it's listed from there?
[02:20] <Treenaks> betances: then why are you bringing this whole thing up as a problem?
[02:20] <betances> Treenaks, Kamion:  And please guys, don't take any of this personally ("fight").
[02:20] <Kamion> betances: we stay in sync with GNOME
[02:20] <CraHan> Treenaks: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2598
[02:20] <CraHan> bug has been filed
[02:20] <CraHan> this is the first time I file one, so don't shoot me if I made a booboo
[02:21] <Kamion> betances: you're the one using phrases like "I insist".
[02:21] <Treenaks> Kamion: still, packaging a few nautilus extensions won't hurt either
[02:21] <jacob> Where has the mp3-plugin for gstreamer gone ?
[02:21] <Kamion> Treenaks: agreed
[02:21] <bob2> jacob: ubuntu does not ship mp3 support on the cd.
[02:21] <betances> Kamion, Treenaks:  Just asked a question guys, that's it.  
[02:23] <jind> How do I add stuff to the program menu?
[02:23] <jacob> bob2, is there someplace I can get it ? Or is descried in a faq?
[02:23] <betances> Kamion, Treenaks:  Thanks.  ;-)
[02:23] <bob2> jacob: the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki, iirc
[02:23] <bob2> jind: applications:/// in nautilus
[02:23] <jind> Thanks
[02:24] <_Hiro_> too bad there isn't any XFS -> ext3 util :/
[02:24] <Dekkard> or..click on applications,multimediathan in the pulldown right click and click add to this menu
[02:25] <agenteo> I've used: sudo mount -o loop Desktop/immagine.iso /media/cdrom to mount an iso but I've got: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop# does I need to recompile the kernel?
[02:25] <Kamion> agenteo: 'sudo modprobe loop'
[02:25] <bob2> agenteo: sudo modprobe loop
[02:25] <bob2> dang, too slow
[02:26] <agenteo> thanks, and can I use modconf to see a list of available modules?
[02:27] <crimsun> i have a random question: does anyone know the name of the applet used for the network monitor here? -> http://nat.org/2004/october/#21-October-2004  Thanks in advance.
[02:27] <Treenaks> agenteo: you can use find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*.ko for  that
[02:28] <agenteo> Treenaks: but... modconf show a little help about the module you're going to add or remove... can I have it?
[02:29] <skar> hi, is there a flash deb for firefox
[02:29] <bob2> skar: on the wiki, RestrictedFormats
[02:29] <jacob> I can't locate the mp3-plugin for GStreamer... Anyone know how to get it? Can't find it in the repository described in the "RestrictedFormats" section on the wiki
[02:29] <skar> bob2:thanx
[02:30] <Kamion> agenteo: I tried to make modconf work with Ubuntu and it turned out to be very difficult to get it to build; the source is horrible.
[02:30] <Kamion> agenteo: you can try if you like - the source package is in universe
[02:31] <crimsun> jacob: uncomment universe, then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:31] <Treenaks> agenteo: modinfo modulename
[02:31] <Ubuntu-Linux> The result of this is that you can not log in after you re-boot. What should happen is that k3bsetup is run as the user and the root password is prompter for so .ICEauthority ownes to the user. This can not be done in Ubuntu because there is not actualy a root account (unless you create one).
[02:32] <Ubuntu-Linux> that part of the wiki says there is NO root user
[02:32] <jacob> crimsun, ok thanks
[02:32] <_Hiro_> there always is a root user :s
[02:32] <Kamion> let me see if I can find my instructions for editing the website; that is indeed just wrong
[02:32] <Ubuntu-Linux> This can not be done in Ubuntu because there is not actualy a root account (unless you create one).
[02:33] <Kamion> yes, I saw
[02:33] <mjg59> Ubuntu-Linux: Uh?
[02:33] <Ubuntu-Linux> _Hiro_: the wiki disagrey with you
[02:33] <Kamion> I'll fix it
[02:33] <_Hiro_> Ubuntu-Linux if you want your root account to have a passwd just issue sudo passwd
[02:33] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: where is that?
[02:33] <mjg59> Ubuntu-Linux: How... odd.
[02:33] <_Hiro_> I think the system would halt without a 0 user :/
[02:33] <agenteo> thanks
[02:34] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: wikis are wikis, they're editable by anyone so they're sometimes wrong - give me the URL and I'll fix it
[02:34] <Treenaks> _Hiro_: it wouldn't, it'd just do weird stuff
[02:34] <stvn> if you start ubuntu in safe mode you get dropped into root
[02:35] <Ubuntu-Linux> Kamion: it the k3b one in howto
[02:35] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: oh, so you don't mean the wiki, you mean www.ubuntulinux.org?
[02:36] <Ubuntu-Linux> i mean ubuntu wiki
[02:37] <Ubuntu-Linux> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[02:37] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: that's not the wiki.
[02:37] <Treenaks> the wiki is 'http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SomethingSomething
[02:37] <bob2> Kamion: I'm logged in if you can't be arsed
[02:37] <Ubuntu-Linux> what ever
[02:38] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: it's an important difference, and being rude to people helping you seems counter-productive
[02:38] <nanotech> can anyone tell me how to view my friends webcam through gaim?
[02:38] <Kamion> bob2: trying to do it now
[02:38] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: it matters because it makes a difference to how I fix your bug :-P
[02:40] <bob2> pants.
[02:40] <Ubuntu-Linux> what ever != rude
[02:40] <Ubuntu-Linux> what ever == aussie
[02:40] <Ubuntu-Linux> lol
[02:40] <nanotech> haha
[02:40] <Kamion> Ubuntu-Linux: fixed, thanks
[02:40] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok
[02:41] <nanotech> gaim users...please?
[02:41] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: I'm in the ACT.
[02:41] <Bast> VIC here
[02:41] <_Hiro_> you can view webcams through gaim?
[02:41] <Ubuntu-Linux> so Treenaks in the line you gave me make x is of what?
[02:41] <stvn> nanotech: I thought you needed netmeeting for webcam chat - not sure though
[02:41] <Ubuntu-Linux> and model y
[02:41] <_Hiro_> yeah netmeeting or something :/
[02:41] <_Hiro_> so gnomemeeting
[02:42] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: the make and model of your drive and ATA chipset(s)
[02:42] <nanotech> i just checked, and this says yes gaim supports webcams:http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6826
[02:42] <Ubuntu-Linux> i already staed my cd drive in <make> and <model
[02:42] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: and what you're trying, and what you expect it to do
[02:42] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: so my motherboard?
[02:42] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: and what you did to try to solve it
[02:42] <Micksa> nanotech: are you who I think you are?
[02:42] <nanotech> psssh. dunno
[02:42] <KazeNoBokusha> if i have an athlon xp, which do i want, warty-rc-live-i386.iso or warty-release-install-i386.iso or something else?
[02:42] <Micksa> are/were you a SLUGger?
[02:43] <nanotech> don't really care for poking...so i doubt it
[02:43] <Kamion> KazeNoBokusha: either, depends on what you want it to do
[02:43] <Micksa> well sorree
[02:43] <Micksa> :0
[02:43] <Micksa> :)
[02:43] <Treenaks> KazeNoBokusha: you choose.. -live is the "live CD" that you can use to try Ubuntu without installing
[02:43] <KazeNoBokusha> i want to install ubuntu :P
[02:43] <Micksa> I don't care for pinging
[02:43] <Micksa> poking is old skool
[02:43] <Micksa> or something
[02:43] <Kamion> KazeNoBokusha: then warty-release-install-i386.iso
[02:43] <_Hiro_> nanotech you need http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-vv/
[02:43] <Treenaks> KazeNoBokusha: warty-release-install-i386.iso is the "release" installer ISO
[02:43] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: ata control == mother baord?
[02:43] <KazeNoBokusha> ok
[02:43] <_Hiro_> but that probably requires gaim on both sides
[02:43] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: the ATA controller can be on your motherboard, yes
[02:43] <stvn> nanotech: you need gaim-vv for that - as to the looks of it
[02:44] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: probably the part of lspci -vv that is about your ATA/SATA controller(s) is more relevant
[02:44] <_Hiro_> and linphone it seems
[02:44] <Ubuntu-Linux> crap my browser crashed i hate manbrake
[02:44] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: also, the exact error message can be useful
[02:45] <stvn> nanotech: you need to compile it yourself, there are not even .debs in debian experimental
[02:45] <Ubuntu-Linux> it cound detech it there was no "error" message it just said it need the driver to continue
[02:45] <Treenaks> Kamion: I assume there's already a plan for a "bug template" like the one on bugzilla.ximian.com ?
[02:46] <Treenaks> Ubuntu-Linux: well, say that then
[02:46] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok
[02:47] <Kamion> Treenaks: we're not sticking with bugzilla forever
[02:48] <BeTa> yo
[02:48] <BeTa> anyone has already tried ubuntu on a powerbook ?
[02:48] <Kamion> yes
[02:48] <Kamion> several of the developers have powerbooks
[02:48] <Treenaks> Kamion: I understand, but the Ximian bugzilla has this "template" in the "Type your bug here" box, for newbie bug submitters
[02:49] <Kamion> Treenaks: my point is that it would be work we'd be throwing away :)
[02:49] <Treenaks> Kamion: with "What did you do? What did you expect to happen? What happened? Were there any messages?"
[02:49] <Kamion> Treenaks: (but the real answer to your question is "I don't know, ask justdave")
[02:49] <Treenaks> Kamion: :) ok
[02:49] <BeTa> Kamion: thx... I need 40 minutes to see my torrent DL finished, then I'll try quickly ;cb
[02:50] <Bast> does anyone know why my dmesg is full of error messages from atkbd.c ?
[02:51] <Treenaks> Bast: what kind of messages?
[02:52] <Bast> tree: lots and lots of "unknown key pressed"... use 'setkeycodes"
[02:52] <torpor> BeTa: i just finished installing ubuntu on a powerbook, in fact.
[02:53] <torpor> so far the only problem i have is that alt-tab doesn't switch windows... something is borked with my keymap
[02:53] <Treenaks> Bast: do you have an "internet" keyboard?
[02:53] <Treenaks> Bast: with those extra buttons
[02:54] <mrjive> re
[02:54] <Bast> tree: i do, but i'm not touching any of its keys...?
[02:54] <bob2> mrjive: can you turn that off please?
[02:54] <Treenaks> Bast: it could be that it generates some standard weird identification codes on boot or something?
[02:54] <Treenaks> Bast: don't know
[02:55] <mrjive> bob2: ?
[02:55] <Bast> tree: that's okay, it's not bothering me at all... am more curious than anything
[02:55] <bob2> mrjive: the public away thing.
[02:55] <Kamion> torpor: you might find it's command-tab
[02:55] <torpor> Kamion: no that doesn't work.
[02:55] <mrjive> bob2: i try
[02:55] <stvn> hm, not too bad
[02:55] <mrjive> nope
[02:55] <bob2> erm?
[02:56] <mrjive> seems it worked now
[02:56] <bob2> cool, thanks :)
[02:56] <mrjive> i beg your pardon for that
[02:57] <LapTop006> hmm, evo in warty doesn't wan't to talk to my exchange server at work
[02:57] <bob2> LapTop006: have you got it to work in the past?
[02:57] <bob2> do they have OWA enabled?
[02:59] <LapTop006> bob2: not in evo, and owa works, just tested locally (is also my own server at work so...)
[02:59] <LapTop006> is exchange 2003 if it makes a diff
[03:00] <stvn> hm, stupid clock is running at the wrong speed
[03:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: /ignore me while it finishes pasting
[03:00] <bob2> LapTop006: check the bts, some other people have complained of that
[03:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> i did /exec -o of the command you told me
[03:03] <stvn> anyone has a suggestion to why my clock is running at the wrong speed in ubuntu and not in debian?
[03:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> err the ubuntu wiki netinstall is not for me as i dont have a network for it to work
[03:05] <Bast> okay, i want to recompile one kernel module... how can i do this without recompiling the entire kernel?
[03:05] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: so use the Cd you downloaded last night.
[03:05] <bob2> Bast: which module, and not easily?
[03:05] <BeTa> fsck tarpor has gone :c/
[03:05] <Bast> bob2: tda1004x.c
[03:05] <Ubuntu-Linux> should i swap around my cd and hdd as my cd is ide 1 and my hdd is sata 3 or something...
[03:06] <Bast> i need to change the firmware offset to get it working with my card... it's been updated in 2.6.9, but...
[03:06] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: havent you been liston to my problem
[03:06] <Ubuntu-Linux> ubuntu messed with d-i and it now doesnt detech my cd drive or can load the module
[03:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> hiya tmp
[03:10] <stvn> is it possible to unload kernel modules? 
[03:11] <spiv> stvn: sudo rmmod module_name
[03:11] <stvn> ta
[03:16] <Ubuntu-Linux> Treenaks: people #ubuntu dont understand my bug report mind adding a comment to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2601 making it more clear
[03:16] <jacob> Strange why gstreamer0.8-mad isnt included, but the decoding lib libmad0 _is_...
[03:22] <apoka> #ubuntu-es
[03:22] <xf> howdy. is there an official list of ubuntu developers (apart from the incomplete teams  page), because i'm having no luck finding one
[03:22] <xf> unless you're keeping it secret or something ;-p
[03:23] <dinK`cow> can anyone help getting X to work?
[03:23] <bob2> xf: there isn't one.
[03:23] <dgtl> hi everyone
[03:23] <Kamion> xf: not yet, more because we haven't got round to it than because it's secret
[03:23] <dgtl> anyone know how to get java applets running in firefox?
[03:24] <mrjive> bern`: what grafic adapter?
[03:24] <snazbaz> is anyone able to tell me if the dwl-610 "dlink air" wireless card is supported in ubuntu?
[03:24] <bern`> radeon mobility 9600
[03:24] <bern`> its on my laptop
[03:24] <bern`> mrjive: it installed fine and I can use the cmd line but no gdm or kde
[03:26] <mrjive> bern`: look the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[03:26] <bern`> mrjive: ok
[03:26] <mrjive> bern`: and try using a lower number for the depth
[03:27] <mrjive> i think it tries to use 24 bit depth
[03:27] <mrjive> try to set 16 bit
[03:28] <mrjive> bern`: does it use the correct driver? (i think radeon)
[03:28] <bern`> mrjive: I'm looking for the depth and driver right now
[03:28] <bern`> mrjive: not sure where in the file it's located though
[03:28] <LapTop006> bob2: thanks for the bugzilla pointer, got it all fixed now
[03:29] <bob2> LapTop006: ah, cool, what was the problem?
[03:29] <bob2> forms authentication?
[03:29] <_Hiro_> snazbaz which chipset does it have?
[03:29] <bern`> mrjive: here we go
[03:30] <bern`> radeon_drv.o is what it's using
[03:31] <mrjive> bern`: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:31] <bern`> mrjive: it has 24 for the depth and 32 bpp for the framebuffer
[03:31] <bern`> ok
[03:31] <snazbaz> rtl8180l
[03:31] <snazbaz> i believe
[03:32] <_Hiro_> yes
[03:32] <_Hiro_> just checked
[03:32] <_Hiro_> you need http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?lineid=2002111&famid=2002111&series=2002121&Software=True#2002121Unix
[03:32] <_Hiro_> don't know if that's native in the kernel already :/
[03:33] <bern`> Ok it detects the device correctly as a Radeon 9600/9700 mobility
[03:33] <bern`> and default depth to 24
[03:33] <_Hiro_> I fear it's only as 2.4 module 
[03:33] <mrjive> bern`: and the log file? does it say anything useful?
[03:34] <snazbaz> yeah it's a damn pain
[03:34] <bern`> hrmm
[03:34] <bern`> lemme look
[03:34] <bern`> how'd I go about checking it
[03:34] <bern`> I'm somewhat new to linux
[03:34] <bern`> hold I'm gonna try restarting with a lower depth
[03:35] <stvn> right, I've found the trouble makers for my clockspeed, how can I disable/blacklist modules at boot time in ubuntu?
[03:35] <mrjive> bern`: look for lines containing (EE)
[03:35] <bern`> ok
[03:36] <_Hiro_> snazbaz supposedly it should work with http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ on 2.6
[03:36] <Elw0od> ok
[03:36] <Elw0od> everithing works
[03:37] <bern`> well lowering the depth to 16 didn't work
[03:37] <bern`> I also lowered the screen resolution to 800x600 instead of 1280x800
[03:37] <bern`> where is the log file located?
[03:38] <LapTop006> bob2: how to format the username and adding the correct mangling of the NT domain (and not the ad domain(
[03:38] <bob2> LapTop006: ahhh
[03:39] <Bast> quick question before i go to bed: how do i make a program automatically start when gnome starts? (e.g. gaim)
[03:39] <bern`> k I found a bunch of log files in the log folder
[03:39] <Treenaks> Bast: 1) start it, log out "save current settings"
[03:39] <Bast> tree: aha, sweet thanks!
[03:39] <Treenaks> Bast: or 2) add it to the session with the "sessions" settings panel
[03:40] <bern`> ok
[03:40] <mrjive> bern`: the log file for XFree86 is /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[03:40] <iminj> I am a NOOB. Just installed ubuntu 4.1 .. but it wont recognize my sound card ( soundBlaster awe 64). Anyonw able to help me?
[03:40] <bern`> mrjive: it says "Failed to load module: "v41" module does not exits, 0"
[03:40] <bern`> mrjive: that's what it says next to the EE
[03:41] <Bast> g'night all
[03:41] <mirak_-> good morning :)
[03:41] <mrjive> bern`: can you look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file to see if you find a line containing v41 ?
[03:42] <_Hiro_> stvn /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:42] <mrjive> v4l
[03:42] <azerty> Is this possible to get kernel-sources^
[03:42] <seraphim> add a user via the lovely gui does not work or i'm wrong ?!
[03:42] <azeem> seraphim: it did for me
[03:42] <mrjive> bern`: i found it on line 50
[03:42] <stvn> _Hiro_: thanks
[03:42] <bern`> mrjive: no lines containing v41
[03:42] <mrjive> bern`: v4l
[03:43] <mirak_-> azero, go to kernal.org
[03:43] <mrjive> it is a letter L
[03:43] <bern`> mrjive: wait I found it
[03:43] <mrjive> not a 1 (one)
[03:43] <azeem> mirak_-: that's bad advice, he should install the linux-source package
[03:43] <mrjive> bern`: try commenting it out
[03:43] <bern`> mrjive: line 50 is Load "v4l"
[03:43] <bern`> ok I'll give that try
[03:43] <iminj> anyone able to help a NOOB set up sound card ( soundblaster awe64). ubuntu doesn't recognize it ...
[03:43] <mrjive> bern`: i think (not shure) it is video4linux
[03:43] <_Hiro_> iminj modprobe snd-sbawe
[03:44] <_Hiro_> if that does it also put snd-sbawe in /etc/modules
[03:45] <iminj> i'll try it .. and let u know .. thnx Hiro
[03:45] <bern`> mrjive: that didn't do it
[03:45] <mirak_-> azeem, he asked for the source.....so I told him where to get it.....sorry
[03:45] <azeem> mirak_-: well, sure, but that won't give him the source to the kernel he's running
[03:45] <azeem> or not exactly at least
[03:46] <mrjive> bern`: ok, you can try using vesa driver at 16 bit to start
[03:46] <mirak_-> azeem, ahh....so we are assuming that he wants the source for the ubuntu kernal?
[03:46] <azeem> I was :)
[03:46] <mirak_-> azeem, kk
[03:47] <bern`> ok lemme give it a try
[03:47] <bern`> should I leave v4l commented out?
[03:47] <_Hiro_> iminj you know how right? :)
[03:49] <mrjive> what about apps that are not in universe? i mean, where can i find f-spot? can i take it from deb archives?
[03:49] <WW> mrjive: There is also a repository called multiverse.  Try there.
[03:49] <mrjive> WW: oh thanx
[03:49] <iminj> _Hiro: modprobe snd-sbawe @ root does nothing .. it opens another line an the curser blinks ..
[03:50] <mirak_-> ww, = WW_ ????
[03:50] <WW> mirak_-: Yup
[03:50] <mirak_-> WW, kk
[03:50] <bern`> woah
[03:50] <mirak_-> ?
[03:51] <bern`> mrjive: with the vesa driver it gets some lines and a nasty picture but it's not black like before
[03:51] <_Hiro_> iminj do lsmod
[03:51] <bern`> mrjive: then it boots me to a cmd prompt
[03:51] <mrjive> bern`: :\
[03:51] <_Hiro_> it should show the driver now
[03:51] <mrjive> so the driver is not the problem
[03:51] <_Hiro_> if it does then it'(s loaded ok
[03:52] <mrjive> nope, f-spot is not in multiverse :(
[03:53] <iminj> _Hiro ... did lsmod .... what should I be looking for in the output?
[03:53] <_Hiro_> snd-sbawe
[03:53] <_Hiro_> do lsmod | grep awe
[03:54] <spiv> mrjive: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001030.html
[03:54] <_Hiro_> then it'll only show 1 or 2 things and you'll know it's in there when it does :)
[03:54] <SmokingFire> Do gnome applications have buttons and and other widgets have a window handle like on windows? And can you send that widgets and signal from another application?
[03:54] <iminj> Module                  Size  Used by
[03:54] <iminj> snd_sbawe              30656  0
[03:54] <iminj> snd_opl3_lib            9728  1 snd_sbawe
[03:54] <iminj> snd_sb16_dsp           10624  1 snd_sbawe
[03:54] <iminj> snd_sb16_csp           19328  1 snd_sbawe
[03:54] <iminj> snd_sb_common          15104  3 snd_sbawe,snd_sb16_dsp,snd_sb16_csp
[03:54] <iminj> snd_hwdep               9120  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_sb16_csp
[03:54] <iminj> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_sbawe
[03:54] <_Hiro_> yes that's good
[03:54] <iminj> Here's first few lines of lsmod
[03:54] <_Hiro_> that's ok
[03:54] <mrjive> spiv: tnx
[03:55] <_Hiro_> that means the module is loaded ok
[03:55] <iminj> now what?
[03:55] <_Hiro_> now see in gnome volume-panel if you can configure it? maybe it's still muted
[03:55] <bern`> mrjive: could it be the horizontal sync and the vertical refresh rates are off ?
[03:55] <_Hiro_> right click on the volume icon
[03:56] <_Hiro_> "Open Volume Control"
[03:56] <azeem> SmokingFire: your question probably too specific for this channel. check out www.gkt.org and read the documentation there, then ask in a gtk-specific chan if you have further questions
[03:56] <iminj> OK .... volume coopens
[03:56] <iminj> control is open
[03:56] <mrjive> bern`: mmm
[03:56] <SmokingFire> azeem: ok, thanks
[03:56] <azeem> s/question probably/question is probably/
[03:56] <_Hiro_> see if it recognises your card and if all the sliders are up
[03:56] <_Hiro_> well, not all but PCM, Master, wave,...
[03:56] <azeem> and not muted
[03:57] <_Hiro_> yes and not muted
[03:57] <iminj> nothing muted
[03:57] <_Hiro_> try to play something then?
[03:57] <iminj> let me try a sound source ////  1 sec plz
[03:57] <_Hiro_> remind you that mp3 support isn't by default in ubuntu
[03:57] <_Hiro_> so try a CD or something?
[03:57] <iminj> cd is what i'm trying
[03:58] <_Hiro_> don't forget CD-in must be unmuted and up AND you need a cable from your cdrom to the soundcard
[03:58] <SmokingFire> or just do apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad (universe must be enabled)
[03:58] <iminj> cdrom and sndcard work fine in windows ... but still I hear nothing :*(
[03:59] <lml> I want to set some global environment variables. I have tried to set them in /etc/profile but it does not seem to be the correct place. Where should I put them in an Ubuntu system?
[03:59] <georgia> um, i didnt do anything special and can play mp3s in ubuntu
[03:59] <_Hiro_> some windows do digital extraction :/
[03:59] <georgia> with rhythmbox
[03:59] <iminj> GOT IT !!!!
[03:59] <_Hiro_> ok great :)
[03:59] <SmokingFire> georgia: your using and old but upgraded ubuntu?
[03:59] <mrjive> bern`: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[03:59] <iminj> Hiro: Is this gonna stay setup next time I open ubuntu?
[04:00] <bern`> mrjive: nope
[04:00] <georgia> only been using it about a week, but i spose so, yeah
[04:00] <__daniel> does anyone of you use an arabic locale?
[04:00] <_Hiro_> now don't forget to add snd-sbawe to /etc/modules
[04:00] <bern`> mrjive: should I just type that in as is
[04:00] <mrjive> yes
[04:00] <mrjive> as root
[04:00] <mrjive> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:00] <_Hiro_> do sudo nano /etc/modules and add snd-sbawe
[04:00] <azeem> iminj: and you might want to send a bug report that your card's module did not get loaded automatically, if that really was the case
[04:00] <Dekkard> gtk-gnutella .deb from gtk-gnutella homepage works..
[04:01] <azeem> iminj: or is it an ISA card?
[04:01] <_Hiro_> iminj once that's done it'll stay :)
[04:01] <_Hiro_> azeem yes AWE64
[04:01] <_Hiro_> those are isa
[04:01] <_Hiro_> great cards
[04:01] <azeem> ah, ok
[04:01] <iminj> _Hiro: HOW do i add module to /etc/modules ??
[04:01] <_Hiro_> I like my AWE32 better than my live platinum :/
[04:02] <azeem> iminj: echo "snd_sbawe" >> /etc/modules 
[04:02] <azeem> as root
[04:02] <azeem> eh, hmm
[04:02] <azeem> iminj: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[04:02] <SmokingFire> so do you think ubuntu will stay in the top 10 of distrowatch?
[04:03] <xf> is ubuntu believed to be stable enough for a production use server?
[04:03] <_Hiro_> iminj sudo cp /etc/modules /root/modules.bak; sudo echo "snd-sbawe" >> /etc/modules
[04:03] <SmokingFire> and who is loosing its users to ubuntu?
[04:03] <xf> i define 'stable' by package updates, that is, a  package update won't break thigns.
[04:03] <bob2> xf: yes
[04:03] <xf> for example, i consider debian woody stable as hell.  sid, not as stable (preious experiences have been things like broken fsck's rendering partitions useless on reboots, or a broken lilo making a system not boot up properly [which is a BIG problem if it's colo'ed on the other side of the world] ).
[04:04] <xf> what's the mentality behind package updates?
[04:04] <iminj> _Hiro: Thanks a lot ...
[04:04] <bern`> mrjive: no luck same problem
[04:05] <xf> i mean, is a server-style package (say, a imap server, apache, or something) upgraded whan a newer version comes out?
[04:05] <xf> this is typically problematic in my experiences, especially if a config file format has changed, or there's a 'bug fix' that could break existing configs
[04:06] <bern`> mrjive: looking in the log at the end it says Fatal Server error: Caught Signal 11
[04:06] <SmokingFire> xf: I think if you don't use universe things should not be broken.
[04:06] <bern`> mrjive: dunno if that helps at all
[04:07] <SmokingFire> xf: packages and upgrades from the main reposistory should be supported.
[04:08] <SmokingFire> But if you run on a server, why do you want to do upgrades on a live server? Only do the security updates.
[04:08] <WW> xf: I think upgrades to supported packages will be for security fixes and critical bugs. 
[04:08] <mrjive> bern`: what did you choose for driver, depth and display tyoe?
[04:08] <mrjive> *type
[04:09] <ficusplanet> Is there a reason that the freetype autohinter is off by default in Ubuntu?
[04:09] <SmokingFire> xf: And on any mission critical server, first it test it on a clone of that server.
[04:09] <bern`> Driver = ati
[04:09] <bern`> default depth =16
[04:10] <mjr> ficusplanet, hm, is it? I don't know, but if I had to guess, it'd be that the actual hinting bytecode support is enabled, then
[04:10] <lml> Can someone help me setup some global enviroment variables?
[04:10] <lml> I have tried setting them in /etc/profile but it does not appear to work.
[04:10] <bern`> mrjive: should Monitor and Screen be under the same thing?
[04:11] <ficusplanet> mjr, I edited /etc/fonts/local.conf and I can notice a big improvement in the font rendering.
[04:11] <bern`> mrjive: should screen have a drive under it or does it take it from monitor?
[04:11] <bern`> *driver
[04:12] <bern`> mrjive: for HorizSynce it has 28-64
[04:12] <ploum> strange
[04:12] <bern`> mrjive: for Vertical Refresh it has 43-60
[04:12] <ploum> a friend is trying to install ubuntu
[04:13] <ploum> but the install says that there's no kernel in the configured apt sources
[04:13] <bern`> mrjive: for Option it's "DPMS"
[04:16] <_Hiro_> lml put it in /etc/skel/.bash_profile maybe?
[04:16] <_Hiro_> you'll need to adapt current users though
[04:16] <Treenaks> ploum: "no kernel in the apt sources" ?
[04:17] <radio_> hi, i just successfully installed the ubuntu release, now in order to get my wireless card working in need the module prism2_cs, which is not installed, i tried installing linux-wlan-ng from synaptic but it didn't have the module either, do i need to compile the module myself ? if so what is the ubuntu-way of doing that ?
[04:17] <CraHan_> ok, another step forward
[04:17] <CraHan_> I edited /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord and set the default device to the cdwriter on 0,0,0
[04:17] <radio_> if someone could point me to a howto or in the right direction 
[04:18] <CraHan_> now nautilus-cd-burner works since I'm forcing cdrecord to use the hardcoded device in /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord
[04:19] <_Hiro_> radio_ which card/chipset?
[04:19] <ploum> Treenaks, 
[04:19] <ploum> Aucun noyau installable n'a t trouv parmis les sources apt dfinies.
[04:19] <ploum> Le noyau actuel par dfaut est <linux-i386>
[04:19] <ploum> Vous pouvez essayer de pourcuivre mme si cette erreur est plutt inattendue et surement fatale.
[04:19] <radio_> _Hiro_, its a compact flash card that sits in a smaller sized pcmcia slot, prism2 
[04:20] <stvn> is there already an ubuntu skin foor bmp/xmms?
[04:20] <Treenaks> "noyau" is package?
[04:20] <radio_> prism2_cs has worked for me under gentoo
[04:20] <Treenaks> ploum: or kernel?
[04:20] <ploum> Treenaks, kernel
[04:20] <ploum> bbl
[04:20] <ploum> one second
[04:21] <mathjazz> is anyone having problems
[04:21] <gilles> hello, i'm installing ubuntu and i choose to manually manage my partition
[04:21] <mathjazz> when transferring images
[04:21] <mathjazz> with nautilus ftp client
[04:21] <mathjazz> ?
[04:21] <gilles> but i don't see my second hd partitions 
[04:21] <_Hiro_> radio you need pcmcia-cs package + wlan-ng module I think
[04:22] <mirak_-> gilles, you don't see your secong HDD....but you see the primary?
[04:22] <gilles> i see hdb but not the partitions inside
[04:22] <mirak_-> gilles, so you only have 1 HDD
[04:23] <gilles> no 2 hd with for each 4 partitions if i remember fine
[04:23] <gilles> i see my partitions for hda but not for hdb
[04:23] <flax> can anyone give me a pointer how i can install gstreamer-plugins-mp3? i;ve looked in universe, but i cant find it
[04:23] <radio_> _Hiro_, yes pcmcia-cs is installed, also wlan-ng package, it is just the module thats missing
[04:23] <_Hiro_> I see
[04:23] <_Hiro_> you could try to install host-ap :/
[04:23] <mirak_-> gilles, kk.....i think that the partitioner can only do 1 HDD at a time.........flame me if I am wrong
[04:23] <_Hiro_> I think that also has drivers for prism2
[04:24] <mirak_-> flax, gstreamer0.8-mad.......or something close to that
[04:24] <gilles> i've got an idea
[04:24] <radio_> _Hiro_, yes it does, unfortunately prism2 does not work for me only prism2_cs does ;-)
[04:24] <gilles> i disable first hd in bios then tell you more ok ?
[04:24] <flax> mirak_-: in universe?
[04:24] <_Hiro_> too bad :|
[04:25] <mirak_-> flax....i believe so......not multiverse...so yeah
[04:25] <_Hiro_> did you try a find for the module? maybe it's placed incorrectly
[04:25] <RuffianSoldier> meeetohonza
[04:25] <radio_> _Hiro_, yes i searched for it after installing, its not there
[04:25] <flax> mirak_-: lol, wiki also mentions the debian-marillat , so that is why :D
[04:25] <mirak_-> flax, did ya find it??
[04:25] <_Hiro_> then I don't know, sorry :|
[04:25] <bipolar> totem player is a POS. :P
[04:26] <flax> mirak_-: updating
[04:26] <mirak_-> flax, I do not know what marillat is.........i am a newb
[04:26] <mirak_-> flax, but I am glad I could help :)
[04:27] <SepheeBear> has anybody had success in installing nvu under Ubuntu?
[04:27] <lml> Anybody know where to global enviroment variables?
[04:27] <Treenaks> SepheeBear: nvu?
[04:27] <_Hiro_> radio_ do you have a driver called wvlan-cs ?
[04:27] <SepheeBear> www.nvu.com
[04:27] <mirak_-> treenaks, nvu is wysiwyg
[04:28] <flax> mirak_-: me 1 hour newby :D 
[04:28] <_Hiro_> radio_ http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/07/msg03135.html maybe it'll help
[04:28] <radio_> _Hiro_, no locate says no
[04:28] <Treenaks> mirak_-: ah ok.. there is/used to be a neo-nazi group called the NVU over here
[04:28] <radio_> k thx ill take a look
[04:28] <mirak_-> flax, ahhh........linux newb, or ubuntu newb...........or both
[04:28] <_Hiro_> try find locate may not have been upadted yet
[04:28] <gilles> mirak i disable hda in bios but ubuntu always see him
[04:28] <mirak_-> treenaks, are they gone?
[04:29] <flax> mirak_-: ubuntu
[04:29] <SepheeBear> Treenaks: yipes
[04:29] <mirak_-> gilles, beyond me.........sorry
[04:29] <flax> and thanx,.. you had the name correct
[04:29] <mirak_-> flax, oh......ive only been using linux for a few weeks
[04:29] <Treenaks> mirak_-: no, they still exist (http://kafka.antifa.net/nvu.htm  page in Dutch)
[04:30] <mirak_-> flax, really......hmmm.well it is good that things are sticking 
[04:30] <mirak_-> treenaks, you have got to be kidding me
[04:30] <SepheeBear> Treenaks: well not looking for them, i just want to know if anybody's tried this webtool
[04:31] <Treenaks> SepheeBear: I haven't, sorry
[04:31] <grandgagnon> y en a qui parlent francais ici?
[04:31] <Treenaks> mirak_-: no, it's true, sadly
[04:32] <_Hiro_> non, que d'anglais ;)
[04:32] <topyli> SepheeBear: nvu? it works ok here
[04:32] <grandgagnon> ah!!! bon
[04:32] <iz> bonjour
[04:32] <ploum> I'm back
[04:32] <spiv> grandgagnon: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr perhaps?
[04:32] <grandgagnon> je ddl ubuntu la c'est bon?
[04:32] <ploum> Anyone have heard about a "kernel not found" error at the install ?
[04:32] <iz> wie se tre bon
[04:32] <SepheeBear> topyli: you were able to build it with gcc 3.3?
[04:33] <_Hiro_> ploum look at your grub settings?
[04:33] <_Hiro_> maybe it's not pointed at the correct location
[04:33] <bob2> the install doesn't boot using grub
[04:33] <topyli> SepheeBear: i didn't build it, i just grabbed the binary from nvu.com
[04:33] <_Hiro_> the install itself, so the CD?
[04:33] <SepheeBear> aah the binary works, cool
[04:33] <bob2> I assume so.
[04:33] <ploum> _Hiro_, it's not related : it's when booting on the install CD
[04:34] <ploum> bob2, you are righ
[04:34] <topyli> SepheeBear: sure. i just put it in /opt and it works
[04:34] <ploum> right
[04:34] <_Hiro_> I've seen it on vmware and on older cdrom-drives that a kernel can't be found on boot cds
[04:34] <ploum> Aucun noyau installable n'a t trouv parmis les sources apt dfinies.
[04:34] <ploum> Le noyau actuel par dfaut est <linux-i386>
[04:34] <ploum> Vous pouvez essayer de pourcuivre mme si cette erreur est plutt inattendue et surement fatale.
[04:34] <bob2> this is an english channel...
[04:34] <Treenaks> ploum: are you sure the CD was burned correctly?
[04:35] <ploum> No installable kernel was found in apt sources. 
[04:35] <_Hiro_> could it be an error on the cd maybe?
[04:35] <bhsx> howdy! i just installed late last night (i was drunk/tired) and finished configuration this morning, but don't remember the passwd I setup.  What are my possible options?  boot into knoppix and chroot?
[04:35] <ploum> Treenaks, it's my friend
[04:35] <_Hiro_> a corruption on it?
[04:35] <bhsx> anything else?
[04:35] <ploum> he used k3b and check the MD5sum
[04:35] <topyli> SepheeBear: oh. i went to the nvu site and notice that there's a new version with warnings
[04:35] <flax> bhsx: i thing you dont have a root password
[04:35] <_Hiro_> bhsx boot in single mode
[04:35] <bob2> bhsx: get into grub and set init=/bin/bash
[04:35] <flax> use sudo
[04:35] <bob2> bhsx: I'm not sure of the exact grub syntax
[04:36] <bhsx> i've never used grub, can anyone help with syntax?
[04:36] <flax> bhsx: what do you want?
[04:36] <gilles> anybody got pbs when trying to install on second hard drive ?
[04:36] <flax> just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:36] <bhsx> i need to reset the password
[04:36] <flax> then grub-install (hd0) or something like that
[04:36] <bhsx> so i can login
[04:36] <_Hiro_> bhsx just boot in single mode and do passwd <username> :)
[04:37] <bhsx> _Hiro_: i don't know how to boot in single with grub
[04:37] <_Hiro_> in ubuntu you'll see multiple boot options
[04:37] <bhsx> i'm an unititiated LILO user
[04:37] <_Hiro_> some have (recovery mode) behind it
[04:37] <_Hiro_> ah lilo
[04:37] <_Hiro_> for lilo specify linux 1
[04:37] <BeTa> :c( disk utility (on MacOSX) is crashing when I try to burn the ppc ubunto iso image :c/
[04:38] <_Hiro_> if that's still correct of course :s
[04:38] <bhsx> well yeah, i KNOW how to boot single in lilo, but not grub, which is what ubuntu uses
[04:38] <mirak_-> BeTa, ou have toast?
[04:38] <bipolar> is it a known problem that totem cant play mpegs?
[04:38] <_Hiro_> if you'd use grub you'd have the (recovery mode) options, dont' know if the lilo boot menu has those also
[04:38] <mirak_-> beta, try burning with toast
[04:38] <BeTa> where can I find toast ?
[04:39] <bhsx> i'll take a look at the menu boot options, thanks
[04:39] <mirak_-> beta, mac pay for app.......cd-burning utility
[04:39] <_Hiro_> bhsx just chose a boot option with (recovery mode) like Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386 (recovery mode)
[04:39] <_Hiro_> that'll boot you into single mode
[04:39] <bhsx> cool, thanks
[04:40] <gilles> anyone who can help me for my disk partition problem ?
[04:41] <SepheeBear> BeTa: try FireStarter FX for OS X, get it from VersionTracker
[04:42] <bhsx> thanks so much, that did it!!
[04:42] <bob2> ah yes, it worked for me on OS X
[04:42] <bhsx> didn't realize recovery mode was single, good to know, maybe they could make a note of it in the grub menu for a next release...
[04:45] <BeTa> thx SepheeBear, i'm on it ;c)
[04:46] <_Hiro_> bhsx if you want to see the contents of a grub menu when it comes up a boot just press "e" :)
[04:46] <mrjive> hi agenteo
[04:46] <_Hiro_> you can even edit it then
[04:47] <BeTa> it's on the way :c)
[04:47] <lml> Where do I configure global environment variables?
[04:48] <adam_> how do u install fonts?
[04:48] <adam_> i have a bunch of TTFs
[04:48] <clee> adam_: if you don't have a ~/.fonts directory, do 'mkdir ~/.fonts'
[04:48] <clee> adam_: then copy all of the ttf files into it
[04:49] <GreenCult> hi all
[04:49] <adam_> don't they have to be all lowercase?
[04:49] <ficusplanet> nope
[04:49] <adam_> ok
[04:49] <adam_> they are in ~/.fonts
[04:49] <GreenCult> some one speak spanish here??
[04:50] <ficusplanet> OK, they'll show up in all GTK2 apps now.
[04:50] <clee> adam_: then they should magically Just Work now
[04:50] <stvn> is there a w32codecs .deb for ubuntu somewhere?
[04:50] <GreenCult> hey please.. how many ubuntu's cds??
[04:50] <s7s> Do i have to remove Ubuntu 9.6, in order to install the new one?
[04:51] <azeem> s7s: what is Ubuntu 9.6?
[04:51] <bob2> GreenCult: it's one CD.
[04:51] <_Hiro_> stvn deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main  add this to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:51] <bob2> s7s: if you mean the preview, no, you can upgrade.
[04:51] <bob2> _Hiro_: no, he/she wants the testing one.
[04:51] <GreenCult> aja.. but i don't have internet in home.. 
[04:51] <JanneM> GreenCult: you can order CD:s on the website
[04:51] <GreenCult> with this cd itis enouth?
[04:51] <Ubuntu> Hey all
[04:52] <GreenCult> i live in Peru
[04:52] <s7s> So i should upgrade with apt-get or Synaptic
[04:52] <adam_> thx
[04:53] <JanneM> GreenCult: you have most things you need on the CD.
[04:53] <adam_> GreenCult: Ubuntu is only 1CD
[04:53] <JanneM> GreenCult: the exception is things like movie playing.
[04:53] <GreenCult> ok ok .. thanks
[04:53] <_Hiro_> and openvpn :/
[04:54] <Ubuntu> adam_, what did you say about me? how can i only be 1CD?
[04:54] <bob2> s7s: yes.
[04:54] <s7s> bob2, ok :)
[04:54] <adam_> :-P you are only 1 install CD
[04:54] <_Hiro_> not even a fully filled one
[04:55] <adam_> ubuntu: ur just a disc... shhh... :-P
[04:55] <Ubuntu> Waaaaaaa!
[04:55] <stvn> grr, my computer clock is still too slow
[04:55] <Ubuntu> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[04:55] <Ubuntu> stvn, time to start programing your BIOS
[04:55] <mxpxpod> is there a reason the ubuntu servers haven't been updated?
[04:56] <stvn> Ubuntu: it's your fault ;) debian had no problem with my bios/clock
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[04:56] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok
[04:56] <Ubuntu-Linux> i installed
[04:57] <mirak_-> and?
[04:57] <Kamion> mxpxpod: "haven't been updated"?
[04:57] <Ubuntu-Linux> the problem was sata to pata emalation
[04:57] <Ubuntu-Linux> but
[04:57] <Ubuntu-Linux> i have LOT of broken files
[04:57] <mxpxpod> Kamion: I just did an apt-get update and nothing was d/l'ed
[04:57] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: it would be great if you could state your whole sentence on a single line
[04:57] <Ubuntu-Linux> and cant startx
[04:57] <Kamion> mxpxpod: we released warty yesterday, it will not be changed further apart from critical bug fixes
[04:58] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: you try working in a 480x240 rez
[04:58] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok how do i change my console rez?
[04:58] <mxpxpod> Kamion: so if I want the latest, would it be wise to switch to the hoary repo?
[04:58] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: that's a very odd resolution, VGA is 640x480
[04:58] <Kamion> mxpxpod: ... which doesn't exist yet
[04:59] <mxpxpod> Kamion: oh, ok
[04:59] <mxpxpod> Kamion: n/m
[04:59] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2 i know my moniter anyway support 1600x1200@85Hz
[04:59] <bob2> heh, less than 24 hours after the release people think it's out of date
[04:59] <Ubuntu-Linux> so howto change it?
[04:59] <Ubuntu-Linux> and i cant startx :(
[04:59] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration
[04:59] <Ubuntu-Linux> it is bob2 
[05:00] <bob2> indeed it is.
[05:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: i cant use lynx at such a rez.
[05:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> err
[05:00] <bob2> Ubuntu-Linux: unless something has gone horripbly wrong, you're in a 80x25 terminal, which you certainly can run lynx in.
[05:00] <_Hiro_> Ubuntu-Linux vesafb
[05:00] <Ubuntu-Linux> it is bob2 was ment to say it is to small
[05:01] <Ubuntu-Linux> bob2: i protest till someone tell me howto change the rez??
[05:02] <Ubuntu-Linux> /bin/sh: line 1: vesafb: command not found
[05:02] <Ubuntu-Linux> _Hiro_: :(
[05:02] <adam_> who told me about that .fonts folder?
[05:02] <_Hiro_> vesafb is a framebuffer
[05:02] <_Hiro_> you'll need to set it up in grub
[05:03] <_Hiro_> and your kernel will need to support it
[05:03] <_Hiro_> it's the same think you use for bootsplash and stuff
[05:03] <Ubuntu-Linux> ok so grubconf ?
[05:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> is there such thing
[05:04] <joolz> hmmm, weird. somehow my sound got lost...
[05:04] <azeem> Ubuntu-Linux: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:04] <Ubuntu-Linux> are there any ubuntu apt mirrors?
[05:04] <joolz> must be because of an upgrade, it worked a few days ago and nothing else changed
[05:04] <joolz> anyone else has sudden sound problems?
[05:04] <adam_> how do i enable all apps to use TTFs?
[05:05] <adam_> Firefox doesn't see it.
[05:05] <Ubuntu-Linux> if there are not i now a few place that will
[05:05] <bhsx> is there a "PLF" type mirror for ubuntu?  someplace to grab win32-codecs and the like?
[05:05] <mirak_-> joolz, is the problem with "cd player" cuz I had probs with that
[05:05] <joolz> mirak_-: i have no system sound either and can't play mp3's
[05:05] <s7s> What should i upgrade?
[05:06] <joolz> so i'm not sure if it's a cdplayer issue...
[05:06] <joolz> what could i try?
[05:06] <stvn> hm totem/gstreamer can't handle xvid and/or ac3
[05:06] <bob2> eyes.
[05:06] <bob2> RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[05:06] <mirak_-> joolz, did you check to see that you volume is up????
[05:07] <mirak_-> joolz, right click on the speaker
[05:07] <joolz> mirak_-: sure, i tried that :)
[05:07] <mirak_-> joolz, cant remember what option to choose, but just make the whole mixeer come up
[05:07] <Ubuntu-Linux> 15KBps is horrible :(
[05:07] <joolz> aplay some.wav give no errors
[05:07] <joolz> gives
[05:08] <mirak_-> joolz, I think I remember there being a gnome menu app that test your speakers...did you try that
[05:08] <mxpxpod> Kamion: is ubuntu going to update gaim to 1.0.2?
[05:08] <mirak_-> joolz, did you check to see that they are plugges in...as stupid as that sounds...it happens to me alot
[07:19] (mortal_/#ubuntu) moyote,  i have the nvidia-glx module installed
[07:19] (mortal_/#ubuntu) apparently it's simply named nvidia
[07:20] <cardador> mortal_: do you have it on /etc/modules?
[07:20] <moyote> mortal_: thanks Is that the only driver needed? It's been a long time for me and Debian. \
[07:20] <mortal_> cardador I edited XF86Config and modprobed it
[07:21] <mortal_> nvidia               4821428  12 
[07:21] <cardador> mortal_: sudo gedit /etc/modules and write nvidia at the bottom
[07:21] <cardador> then restart x
[07:21] <cardador> or restart pc
[07:21] <mortal_> cardad ...see above ...the nvidia module is loaded
[07:21] <mortal_> i will do that before i reboot
[07:22] <cardador> make sure it is on /etc/modules
[07:22] <doogie> mdz_: yes, but your stable release contains the kernel with emulation support, unlike debian
[07:22] <Kimiko> hi there
[07:22] <mortal_> dude you don't understand .../etc/modules modprobes it at boot time...I've already modprobed it.  It's running, that's not the problem
[07:22] <moyote> in XF86Config should the driver be nv or nvidia?
[07:22] <mortal_> nvidia
[07:23] <moyote> ty
[07:23] <Kimiko> I added the ubuntu repositories for warty and hoary to my sources list
[07:23] <Kimiko> apt-get update complains of "GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:"
[07:23] <Kamion> Kimiko: hoary doesn't exist yet, don't try to use it
[07:23] <mortal_> the problem is for some reason, this driver, kernel, and desktop configuration is making it approximately 300 fps slower on ubuntu
[07:23] <Kimiko> where can I get the gpg keys for them?
[07:23] <Kamion> it hasn't been set up
[07:23] <cardador> mortal_: did you install all nvidia stuff?
[07:24] <mortal_> yes
[07:24] <Kimiko> oh? I found a hoary dir on the archive
[07:24] <Kimiko> so I just added it too
[07:24] <Kamion> yes, it's functionally empty.
[07:24] <Kimiko> anyway, the same warning is given for warty
[07:24] <Kamion> it's been there for some months but that doesn't mean it works :)
[07:24] <Kamion> that I don't know
[07:25] <Kimiko> for debian, I installed the debian-keyring package and then ran gpg --import
[07:25] <Kimiko> but I can't find a similar package for ubuntu
[07:25] <Kamion> there isn't one
[07:25] <Kamion> we should have apt 0.6 for Hoary, which will integrate all of that
[07:25] <Kimiko> so how do I get rid of these warnings?
[07:26] <Kimiko> I have apt 0.6.25
[07:26] <moyote> When I do apt-get install nvidia-glx, it says the file is restricted and it won't install. HMMMM
[07:26] <Kamion> don't use apt from Debian experimental on Ubuntu? :-)
[07:26] <sn0wman> The artwork should be changed to include Bichon Frises
[07:26] <Kimiko> sheesh big help you are
[07:26] <Kamion> sn0wman: a.k.a. "balls of cotton wool"? :)
[07:26] <mortal_> moyote,  r u using the synaptic installer?
[07:26] <sn0wman> yes :)
[07:26] <Kamion> Kimiko: I believe apt 0.6 has a knob to turn off GPG verification ...
[07:26] <Kimiko> I only added the ubuntu repositories because they have some newer stuff than experimental
[07:27] <mortal_> it worked fine for me
[07:27] <Kamion> Kimiko: uh, you don't want to mix Debian and Ubuntu.
[07:27] <Kimiko> why not? they're compatible, right?
[07:27] <Kamion> Kimiko: our repositories contain some packages which have the same version number as Debian but are different (i.e. recompiled).
[07:27] <Kamion> this makes some things Not Happy
[07:27] <Kimiko> oh bummer
[07:27] <moyote> mortal: no, guess i should, huh?
[07:28] <Kamion> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[07:28] <Kamion> Kimiko: ^-
[07:28] <Kamion> (pretty much what I told you above, but documented :-))
[07:29] <Kimiko> hmm alright
[07:29] <Kimiko> guess I'll stick to experimental then
[07:29] <bronson> OK, Ubuntu now has 2 pages that describe how to compile the kernel (one of them by me)
[07:29] <bronson> But neither shows how to make an initrd.
[07:29] <Kamion> bronson: do you need an initrd with a custom kernel?
[07:30] <bronson> Kamion: I'm just trying to duplicate as best I can the Ubuntu kernel.
[07:30] <Kamion> initrds are more designed for distribution kernels (and experts with odd requirements) ...
[07:30] <Kamion> bronson: the Ubuntu linux-image-* postinst creates the initrd
[07:30] <zenwhen> bronson, put all of your filesystem and ide controller drivers IN your kernel, and you wont need one.
[07:30] <Kamion> bronson: if you're trying to duplicate the Ubuntu kernel, you would be best advised to duplicate the packaging too
[07:30] <zenwhen> there is NO reaosn to not put them in the kernel as opposed to modules.
[07:30] <zenwhen> reason*
[07:30] <bronson> Kamion: is there an easy way for the user to duplicate this?
[07:30] <meff> root on lvm requires initrd
[07:30] <bob2> zenwhen: root-on-LVM requires it
[07:31] <Kamion> bronson: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1, modify, rebuild ...
[07:31] <zenwhen> whoa, i forgot... thats pretty important @_@
[07:31] <bronson> Kamion: I did.
[07:31] <bronson> No initrd.
[07:31] <bronson> Here's exactly the steps I followed...
[07:31] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[07:32] <moyote> mortal: what's your best glxgears FPS? Just curious
[07:32] <bronson> (i wrote that as I stumbled around)
[07:32] <Kamion> well, you used make-kpkg, which effectively does its own packaging
[07:32] <vegai> 32933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6586.600 FPS
[07:32] <Kamion> I was suggesting building it like any other source package
[07:33] <bronson> Right, changing the config so that the IDE and FS drivers are compiled in.
[07:33] <bronson> So, there's no easy way to duplicate the Ubuntu linux- packages?
[07:33] <Kamion> (i.e. dpkg-buildpackage)
[07:33] <cardador> vegai: whats your card?
[07:33] <bronson> ah
[07:33] <azeem> do ubuntu linux-source package build kernel images?
[07:34] <Kamion> azeem: yes, there's one linux-source-* package for all architectures
[07:34] <solsTiCe> hello, as said in the wiki i have done a apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop to upgrade my warty-rc to warty. it upgraded nothing. So i have to upgrade all the 63 packages available ? Is it ok or normal that ubuntu-desktop has no upgrade ?
[07:34] <azeem> oh, nice
[07:34] <azeem> more sanity
[07:34] <bronson> solsTiCe: "apt-get upgrade"?
[07:35] <solsTiCe> bronson: i have done a update in synaptic . it is the same , no ?
[07:35] <bronson> Nope.
[07:35] <Kamion> yes, it is
[07:35] <bronson> Update updates available packages, upgrade installs them.
[07:35] <Kamion> oh, up*date*
[07:35] <bronson> Oh, in synaptic.
[07:35] <bronson> I never use synaptic.
[07:35] <Kamion> synaptic reload => apt-get update
[07:35] <Kamion> synaptic update => apt-get upgrade
[07:35] <Kamion> synaptic smart update => apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:35] <Kamion> (I think)
[07:36] <bronson> Gotta love consistent terminology...
[07:37] <Kamion> bronson: 'sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.8.1; apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1; cd linux-source-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1; dpkg-buildpackage -B -uc -us'
[07:37] <Kamion> sorry, add -rfakeroot to the end of that, and make sure you've installed the fakeroot package
[07:37] <Kamion> that seems to do the job
[07:37] <stvn|shop> back
[07:37] <bronson> Kamion: yowza.  Thanks!
[07:38] <mario> any repository with FireFox 0.10?
[07:38] <Kamion> (obviously you'd have to slot a new .config in there somewhere ...)
[07:38] <Kamion> you'll want to put the .config somewhere in debian/config/
[07:38] <mirak_-> mario, if you get it from mozilla.com  it has a graphical installer
[07:39] <stvn> is it possible to migrate to ubuntu frm debian sarge?
[07:39] <mario> I'm looking this theme: http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/ , but is compatible with Firefox 0.10 :(
[07:40] <WW> Hello world.
[07:40] <mario> mirak_: thanks, but I need a homogeneus system.
[07:41] <WW> I'd like to get Evolution to beep when new mail arrives.  I have the option set in Tools->Setting->Mail Preferences, but I don't get a beep.
[07:41] <Tiboz> hey
[07:41] <WW> Do I need to have the sound server enabled for this?
[07:42] <Tiboz> is there going to be a kernel 2.6.9 compiled by ubuntu ?
[07:43] <Kamion> Tiboz: yes, sometime after Hoary starts up
[07:43] <Kamion> not in warty
[07:43] <stvn> bern`: does it work?
[07:43] <mirak_-> hey...
[07:43] <Tiboz> Kamion: 
[07:43] <mirak_-> does damn small linux have a irc room?
[07:43] <Tiboz> Kamion: ok
[07:43] <Tiboz> Kamion: and when will hoary start ?
[07:44] <chadkiser> where can I find the latest live cd iso?
[07:44] <Kamion> Tiboz: sometime over the next week, don't know exactly yet
[07:44] <Tiboz> oki cool
[07:44] <Tiboz> and in hoary we will have recent sid packages ?
[07:45] <Kamion> Tiboz: note that Hoary will be VERY BROKEN for the first couple of weeks
[07:45] <Kamion> Tiboz: yes
[07:45] <Tiboz> of course
[07:45] <Kamion> once we merge them
[07:45] <WW> mirak_-:  This is a strange place to ask that!  http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[07:45] <Tiboz> Kamion: oki thanks for the info
[07:45] <Kamion> the need for the human-supervised merge process is why it'll be broken to start with
[07:45] <mirak_-> WW, I cant find one there...........i just though maybe someone would know
[07:46] <WW> mirak_-: Maybe ask them on their forum... their forum is very active.
[07:47] <magikfingerz> Hi everybody! Somebody can tell me if Ubuntu is suitable for install on Old Laps... (like celeron 533 Mhz or something like that)... :)
[07:47] <mirak_-> WW, kk........sorry
[07:47] <bob2> magikfingerz: that's fine
[07:47] <bob2> magikfingerz: if gnome is too slow for you, you can try another window manager
[07:48] <magikfingerz> bob2, excellent, Does ubuntu comes with XFCE4...? :)
[07:48] <sellout> ok I have cheched the FAQ and I've googled, now I figure it's time to beg for help on IRC :>
[07:48] <bob2> magikfingerz: yes
[07:48] <WW> mirak_-: No need to apologize, especially not to me. I didn't mean to sound critical  :-)
[07:48] <bob2> magikfingerz: not on the cd, tho, but in the mirrors
[07:48] <sellout> does anyone have a synaptic touchpad on a compaq laptop working correctly uner X11?
[07:48] <magikfingerz> bob2, cool, you convince me, tonight My lap will join ubuntu community ;) thanks a lot!
[07:49] <bob2> magikfingerz: heh, no problem
[07:49] <sellout> bob2: are you a laptop expert? :>
[07:49] <bob2> not unless it's an ibook g4 
[07:49] <sellout> mmmmmmmmm aqua
[07:49] <Tiboz> sellout: i have a synaptic touchpad, but not on a compaq
[07:49] <stvn> magikfingerz: somehow celeron 533 seems to be slower than amd KD 400, but gnome works on both
[07:50] <sellout> Tiboz: does tap and scroll work for you?
[07:50] <sellout> I get no love
[07:50] <doogie> I'll give you love.
[07:50] <Tiboz> sellout: yeah
[07:50] <magikfingerz> stvn, I'm currently using Mandrake on my lap, but KDE is very slow, I change then to XFCE4, but still is slow for me, now I will try ubuntu with XFCE4...
[07:51] <sellout> Tiboz: could you PM me the pointer section of your xconf?
[07:51] <Tiboz> yeah
[07:51] <sellout> thnx
[07:51] <stvn> magikfingerz: gnome 2.6 (and 2.8 for that matter) managed to increase speed  on my old hardware, it only requires loads of ram
[07:52] <magikfingerz> stvn, my lap have 256MB of ram... weill be enough...? :)
[07:52] <Tiboz> sellout: http://paste.msunix.org/view.php?id=1237
[07:52] <topyli> magikfingerz: i have 256M here. works fine
[07:52] <mirak_-> magikfingers, I only use 258mb on my desk
[07:53] <sellout> also has anyone else had ACPI issues on their laptop?  I can't boot unless I turn ACPI off at boot time
[07:53] <stvn> magikfingerz: yeah, but old hardware typically has 128 or less, hence the warning
[07:53] <Tiboz> sellout: acpi has been modified quite a lot in 2.6.9 maybe you should try it
[07:54] <sellout> Tiboz: just did a apt-get update this am
[07:54] <mortal_> how would ubuntu run on an old lappy w like 128 mb of ram?
[07:54] <sellout> Tiboz: or should I compile from scratch
[07:54] <ollie> is there a livecd for ppc?
[07:54] <magikfingerz> excellent, BTW, my lap have a transmeta Crusoe Processor, equivalent to a celeron 533 Mhz. Do you know Linus Torvals worked for transmeta some years ago...? Linux have a good compatibility with that processors, maybe is not coincidence... ;)
[07:54] <mortal_> I figure it should run fine w 128 but i'm not sure
[07:54] <Tiboz> sellout: 2.6.9 is not yet in ubuntu
[07:54] <Tiboz> i don't know for debian
[07:54] <sellout> Tiboz: I have the same config you do, just no love
[07:55] <Kamion> ollie: not yet, it's planned but not done
[07:55] <ollie> Kamion: ok, thanks
[07:55] <sellout> mortal_: only if it lets me run ACPI
[07:55] <Tiboz> sellout: i advise you compiling one from scratch
[07:55] <mortal_> sellout, ah
[07:55] <bob2> mortal_: it makes your genitals bigger.
[07:55] <Tiboz> sellout: using make-kpkg
[07:56] <sellout> Tiboz: will I have to make a initrd?
[07:56] <sellout> god I hate those things
[07:56] <stvn> mortal_: i guess it might run on 128, but you don't want to work switching between OO.o and firefox or other big apps
[07:56] <sellout> it's why I got lazy and started running distro kernels
[07:56] <Tiboz> sellout: if you compile in hard the important options, like your fs and ide support, you won't
[07:56] <Tiboz> sellout: i didn't do one for my rc3
[07:57] <Tiboz> rc4 sorry
[07:57] <sellout> that's what I used to always do, till about a year ago, then I got lazy
[07:58] <Tiboz> sellout: look to this page for your acpi pb
[07:58] <Tiboz> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php
[07:58] <Tiboz> maybe dsdt will help you get it work better
[07:58] <sellout> maybe I should just install SLS 1.06
[07:58] <sellout> now with kernel 1.1.50!
[07:58] <taurendil> Hello, I just installed last night, and I'm having trouble finding all the software in the universe category, I enabled it, but is there some category listing?
[07:58] <Tiboz> w00t
[07:58] <sellout> slackware 2.2 with kernel 1.2
[07:58] <sellout> that's gotta be better
[07:58] <Tiboz> taurendil: yeah in synaptic
[07:58] <taurendil> I appreciate any help you all can give me
[07:58] <bob2> taurendil: how do you mean?
[07:59] <bob2> taurendil: you want a list of all the packages?
[08:00] <stvn> taurendil: you can change the left column to represent all the package categories
[08:00] <stvn> taurendil: sorry that is package 'sections'
[08:01] <Tiboz> taurendil: what do you mean exactly ?
[08:01] <taurendil> is anyone alive in here?
[08:01] <bob2> taurendil: you've had 4 answers
[08:01] <stvn> sellout: must be superfast ;)
[08:01] <Tiboz> taurendil: do you lag ?
[08:04] <sellout> hrmmm well a compiling I must go
[08:04] <taurendil> sorry, I must be lagging something fierce
[08:05] <taurendil> I didn't notice anything new when I enabled the unvierse
[08:05] <Tiboz> taurendil: did you do an update ?
[08:05] <Tiboz> apt-get update, or using synaptic
[08:06] <ponds_> multiverse is basically non-free right?
[08:06] <bob2> right
[08:06] <taurendil> yes, I did the update right after enabling universe
[08:06] <Tiboz> and what do you want now ?
[08:07] <taurendil> I just expected more things to be there, but htere really aren't that I can tell
[08:07] <taurendil> it could just be stupid newbie syndrome, LOL
[08:07] <Tiboz> taurendil: you got to upgrade or install software
[08:07] <taurendil> right, but I didn't see anything new in synaptic
[08:07] <Tiboz> enabling universe will not change your computer in 10 seconds ;)
[08:07] <stvn> :)
[08:08] <Tiboz> you should have lines like Libraries (universe)
[08:08] <sellout> woot!
[08:08] <sellout> Tiboz: hah I got it
[08:08] <Tiboz> in the left part of screen
[08:08] <Tiboz> sellout: what ?
[08:08] <Tiboz> sellout: acpi ?
[08:08] <sellout> for some reason the installer put "synaptic" as the driver for the pointer
[08:08] <stvn> slackware 2.2?
[08:08] <sellout> it should be "synaptics"
[08:08] <Treenaks> sellout: synaptics
[08:08] <Tiboz> hehe
[08:08] <taurendil> I'll just play around some more, it's all probably there
[08:09] <sellout> stvn: if you want slackware 2.2 lemme know it can't be that big to send
[08:09] <taurendil> I haven't really had a lot of linux experience
[08:09] <sellout> allthough I remember downloading it via my 
[08:09] <sellout> OUC account
[08:09] <sellout> onto floppies
[08:09] <sellout> shudder
[08:09] <taurendil> I tried to court the penguine a few months ago, and it beat me up, so I ran back to MS, So far I like this dist better than any i've tried
[08:09] <stvn> brrr
[08:09] <stvn> sellout: any idea how big it is?
[08:10] <sellout> hold on lemme mount the disc
[08:10] <Kamion> taurendil: just checking, by "I did the update" you do mean the reload button in synaptic, right?
[08:11] <witigonen> Hey everyone.  I need some help getting the fglrx drivers for my ATI card working.
[08:11] <sellout> there's 4 discs, I'm searchng as we speak
[08:12] <witigonen> I've followed the tutorial, but everything is still saying that I'm using mesa drivers.  I think my problem might be that I have the wrong version of linux-restricted modules, but I have no idea what version I have, what they even are, and how I can change that.
[08:12] <bob2> it has to match your kernel image
[08:13] <stvn> witigonen: checked if the version in synaptic is the same as the installed kernel?
[08:13] <Kamion> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image-\* linux-restricted-modules-\*; check that they match
[08:13] <mdz_> witigonen: just install linux-386, and you will automatically get the proper restricted-modules as well
[08:14] <sellout> stvn: sorry slack must be on disc1 of the set and it's not in the case, all I got is 2, 3, and 4
[08:14] <witigonen> mdz_, I installed linux-686 as per the instructions in the howto.  I have an AMD XP 3000+ processor, is that the proper one to have installed? 
[08:14] <sellout> I can hook you up with debian 0.91 or bogus or SLS
[08:14] <stvn> sellout: disc as in floppy? that's damnsmall ;)
[08:14] <sellout> stvn: naw 4 cdrom set
[08:14] <stvn> aw
[08:14] <mdz_> witigonen: linux-k7 would be the best for your processor, but linux-686 is fine
[08:14] <sellout> I'm bummed I lost disc 1
[08:14] <sellout> that cost me like $130 to import into canada at the time 
[08:15] <sellout> I was a student/waiter it freakin hurt to spend that cash
[08:15] <doogie> Kamion: dpkg-query
[08:15] <witigonen> mdz_, it looks like I have the proper restricted modules.  How about this: I install linux-k7, then go through the entire process again and see if it works?  Then if it doesn't, come back here and we can see what went wrong?
[08:16] <stvn> witigonen: sounds like a plan
[08:16] <plovs> where is dhclient turned on/off? couldn't find it in init.d
[08:16] <sellout> plovs: /etc/network/interfaces
[08:16] <mdz_> witigonen: intsalling k7 is very unlikely to affect your fglrx problem
[08:16] <mdz_> but it won't hurt, either
[08:16] <sellout> if a interface is set to dhcp it's run with ifup
[08:16] <bob2>  /etc/network/interfaces
[08:16] <ploum> Hi
[08:16] <ploum> Myfriend has installed WinXP home after Ubuntu
[08:17] <ploum> But now the Ubuntu install CD doesn't recognize any partition on the hard disc
[08:17] <witigonen> mdz_, I think it's more likely that I messed up somewhere during the install process and this might change it (though I've checked the steps and they all seem to be working).  But, like you said, I don't think it will hurt, so... here goes!
[08:17] <ploum> And grub won't reinstall because stage1 is false
[08:17] <mirak_-> ploum, M$ broke it?
[08:18] <ploum> mirak_, yes, it seems
[08:18] <YogeshM> can someone tell me how to install nvidia drivers on 2.6.8.1-3-686 ???
[08:18] <ploum> even parted complain about it !
[08:18] <YogeshM> plz
[08:18] <ploum> YogeshM, it's on the website, in the FAQ, I thin
[08:18] <mirak_-> ploum, use the winxp disk to reformat the HDD.....after that try ubuntu again
 i don't see it
[08:19] <mirak_-> ploum, you don't have to install windows.....just do a low lvl format...or "quick" format
[08:19] <ploum> mirak_, but my friend don't want to loose winXP
[08:19] <witigonen> Is there only one instance in the XF86Config-4 file that I need to change 'ati' to 'fglrx' and is that the only edit I need to make to it? 
[08:19] <jazzka> is ipv6 on by default?
[08:19] <ploum> and there's a partition on the disk with ubuntu
[08:19] <mirak_-> ploum, ahh..i see.....i don't know what to tell ya
[08:19] <ploum> only the bootloader is broken but don't want to reinstall because the partition table is incorrect
[08:19] <ploum> thx anyway
[08:20] <sellout> witigonen: should be only one
[08:20] <sellout> in /etc/X11/
[08:20] <stvn> it *is* a problem with ubuntu, they way it forces it's own grub
[08:21] <witigonen> sellout, thanks.  
[08:21] <stvn> ploum: you could try if you can fix the bootloader with some other ditro cd/rescue liveccd
[08:21] <stvn> aargh /me slaps ubuntu, why do you always slow down my clock after a while
[08:21] <s7s> I?d like to install this theme in ubuntu: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14642 - is it possible?
[08:22] <witigonen> Okay, I'm now going to reboot, wish me luck!  Back soon.
[08:22] <ploum> stvn, I'm trying it with the Ubuntu install and a shell, with my Ubuntu partition chrooted
[08:22] <ploum> Even the Ubuntu installer doesn't see any partition
[08:23] <stvn> ploum: huh, but windows still works?
[08:23] <ploum> stvn, yes
[08:23] <ploum> of course ;-)
[08:24] <ploum> (they break the partition table, but they work !)
[08:24] <stvn> ploum: I suggest you get a rescue livecd to see if any of those tools can recover your partition table/data
[08:24] <bronson> Kamion: any idea how to restrict dpkg-buildpackage to just build arch i386 and flavour 686?
[08:24] <ploum> stvn, do you recommand a rescue CD in particular ?
[08:25] <topyli> s7s: sure, if you really want to. seems butt-ugly to me :)
[08:25] <stvn> ploum: hm, not really, there's a nice overview site with livecds for rescue purposes, forgot the url though, I guess it was on distrowatch
[08:26] <Joe1> hiya
[08:27] <Joe1> Does Ubuntu have the nforce and geforce support, as its based on debian and the real thing wont work unless u do a lot of buggering around
[08:27] <hornbeck> is Kevin Mulligan in here?
[08:27] <bob2> "real thing" = "annoying binary-only drivers"?
[08:27] <s7s> topyli, Year sure. I cannot install it, that?s the problem.
[08:27] <bob2> Joe1: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:27] <no-va-to> hi all, I cant start ubuntu: grub halts after "please wait..." message
[08:27] <bronson> Ah, -ai386 should restrict the arch.  But how to I specify the flavour?
[08:28] <topyli> s7s: maybe you don't have the right gtk-engines installed
[08:28] <no-va-to> I've read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/GrubHowto but It doesnt help me
[08:28] <topyli> s7s if there's a README, see what engine it uses
[08:28] <RageMax> umm, how exactly do I set the root password after installation?
[08:28] <s7s> topyli, Maybe that?s why Ubuntu keeps rejecting it?
[08:28] <neighborlee> no-va-to: did you edit something in grub.conf ?
[08:29] <bob2> RageMax: it's in the FAQ, but why do you want to set it?
[08:29] <Joe1> bob2, the basic debian has some serious issues and I have tried several spinoffs and they sucked
[08:29] <no-va-to> neighborlee, nothing, it was my first boot after cd-installing
[08:29] <s7s> topyli, ok
[08:29] <bob2> Joe1: e.g.?
[08:29] <RageMax> why wouldn't I want to set it? It's important
[08:29] <Joe1> Well for instance
[08:29] <neighborlee> no-va-to: hm
[08:29] <Joe1> If u do a net-install it dont install the nvidia-kernel modules
[08:29] <mirak_-> ragemax, use sudo
[08:30] <bob2> Joe1: duh, because it's binary-only
[08:30] <Joe1> and it buggers up if u try doing it manually sometimes
[08:30] <bob2> Joe1: it only buggers up if you do it wrong
[08:30] <bob2> Joe1: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:30] <Joe1> :p
[08:30] <bob2> Joe1: it explains it all
[08:30] <karat> Hrm, ubuntu loaded my sound drivers (atiixp) but sound doesn't work
[08:30] <no-va-to> neighborlee, its strange, I succesfully used debian-installer on this computer
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> o.o
[08:30] <bob2> oh no.
[08:30] <karat> dmesg shows ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13
[08:30] <no-va-to> neighborlee, and I heard that ubuntu is based on deb-isntaller
[08:30] <Joe1> ty
[08:31] <stvn> Joe1: nforce was nicely supported by debian for me, geforce drivers required some tinkering, but I followed the debian-kernel-compile and nvdiainstaller manuals and it worked for the latest kernel at the time (2.6.7)
[08:31] <stvn> too slow
[08:32] <nealmcb> I'm surprised the bittorrent download is not featured on the download page (only visible as a .torrent file in the directory listing), and that there is only one download site
[08:32] <bob2> there's lots of download sites
[08:33] <funkytwig> strange, booted up tonight and clicking on firefox icon does nothing ;( - anyone got any ideas?
[08:33] <littlepaul> does someone know how to install modconf?
[08:34] <s7s> topyli, The readme-file:   GTK2 Theme: eMaCs-green - Engine: Simple
[08:34] <khronic> funkytwig, try running from command line ('firefox') and see if any errors are generated
[08:34] <witigonen> Okay, everything booted fine, but I'm still using mesa drivers.
[08:34] <bob2> littlepaul: it's probably broken
[08:34] <funkytwig> odd, but can launch from command line
[08:34] <bob2> littlepaul: and most modules should be loaded automatically, what are you trying to do?
[08:34] <s7s> topyli, So, i should get the simple-engine, or something?
[08:34] <khronic> funkytwig, check the properties on the icon..make sure its pointing to the right path
[08:35] <topyli> s7s: hmm. the simple engine should be there i guess. the simple theme must use it i guess :)
[08:35] <YogeshM> can someone tell me how to disable postfix at start???
[08:35] <stvn> does anyone know if anything is restarted that could affect my clock (time) speed when i do rmmod <module>
[08:35] <funkytwig> khronic - OK - get error 'No running window found' - will check properties
[08:35] <littlepaul> bob2, i was just wondering that modconf isn't available
can someone tell me how to disable postfix at start???
[08:36] <bob2> YogeshM: rm /etc/rc2.d/*postfix
[08:36] <witigonen> mdz, any ideas as to what I can do now to disable mesa and enable fglrx?
[08:36] <bob2> YogeshM: please don't repeat over and over
 what will it affect?
[08:37] <Kamion> bronson: look through debian/rules
[08:37] <funkytwig> khronix - it just had firefox - made it mozilla-firefox and it works not - odd
[08:37] <bob2> littlepaul: 22:30 < Kamion> agenteo: I tried to make modconf work with Ubuntu and it turned out to be very difficult to get it to build; the source is horrible.
[08:37] <bronson> Kamion: That's where I see flavour being used.
[08:37] <bob2> YogeshM: it will stop postfix starting at boot
[08:37] <littlepaul> bob2, thx 
 is it safe?
[08:37] <bob2> YogeshM: of course...
[08:37] <bronson> But since dpkg-buildpackage is so distanced from rules, I don't see any dpkg-buildpackage cmdline args that can affect rules.
[08:38] <topyli> s7s: the theme works fine here. my eyes are hurting :)
[08:38] <bronson> Except for perhaps -a, which I'm experiementing with right now...
[08:38] <Kamion> bronson: no, I wouldn't expect any dpkg-buildpackage options to be relevant, don't waste your time there.
[08:38] <s7s> topyli, Is it ugly?
[08:38] <bronson> Kamion: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto  fwiw
[08:38] <Kamion> bronson: if I were you I'd just edit debian/rules to set flavours := 686
[08:38] <bronson> OK.
[08:39] <Kamion> bronson: I'd leave out -ai386 too, I don't think the package is set up for cross-compiling anyway
[08:39] <topyli> s7s: not really, it's like the screensots promised. surprisingly usable too.
[08:39] <bronson> will do.
[08:39] <topyli> s7s: perhaps not my new default though :)
[08:39] <karat> wheres a list of all the packages that you can install with apt-get
[08:40] <bob2> karat: in synaptic or such
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> tip of the day:
[08:40] <bob2> karat: there's > 10 000
[08:40] <s7s> topyli, It?s fu****** annoying that it wont work here
[08:40] <bluefoxicy>   Don't use links -g to edit the wiki
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> It?s
[08:40] <karat> bob2: right, but I'd just like to browse it some
[08:40] <karat> and bluefoxicy, what the hell are you doing here
[08:40] <bob2> karat: use synaptic or aptitude
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> karat:  hi.
[08:40] <topyli> s7s: how did you install? i just drag&dropped the tarball to the theme selector and it was there
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> karat:  what, am I not supposed to be here?
[08:40] <bronson> karat: apt-cache search '.*'
[08:40] <funkytwig> khronic - actualy changing path douse not fix it - have /usr/bin/mozilla-fierfox and still nothing hapens whan I click the icon.
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> karat:  tseng is here too, and you're here
[08:41] <karat> goddamn
[08:41] <tseng> ?
[08:41] <bronson> karat: warning: apt-cache search '.*' | wc -l : 15729
[08:41] <stvn> hey, has anyone tried to migrate from debian-sarge to ubuntu, I have 3 computers of housemates with sarge and am tempted to migrate, but I don't want to fuck their sytems up too much
[08:41] <karat> is there a way to show what version can be installed
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> hi tseng
[08:41] <karat> im having a problem with alsa and atiixp
[08:41] <tseng> hi.
[08:41] <bronson> Wait, that was debian.  Ubuntu "only" has 14129 packages.
[08:42] <bob2> karat: fiddling with packages won't help you with modules
[08:42] <khronic> funkytwig, right click on the blank part of the panel..choose add to panel...seelect application launcher..and setup a new icon pointing to the firefox binary..see if that new icon works
[08:42] <karat> bob2: its an alsa problem as far as I can tell
[08:42] <bluefoxicy> karat:  Anyway, if you must know, I'm an evangelon for security; I'm wandering around proding random people in obscene places trying to get them to do things.
[08:43] <bob2> karat: yes, but fiddling with packages won't help
[08:43] <karat> ...
[08:43] <s7s> topyli, yes, that?s waht i?m doing
[08:43] <topyli> weirdness.
[08:43] <bob2> karat: by default ubuntu loads the alsa modules
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> bob2: he left :)
[08:46] <RubenV> Hi everybody
[08:46] <RubenV> I'm installing ubuntu on an old pc
[08:46] <Treenaks> how old? :)
[08:46] <RubenV> but it doesn't recognise the serial mouse
[08:46] <RubenV> P3 something
[08:46] <stvn> Treenaks: old apprently ;)
[08:46] <jazzka> has anyone tried ubuntu on a pentium 166 Mhz or lower?
[08:46] <Treenaks> RubenV: serial mice are notoriously hard to detect..
[08:47] <RubenV> it also doesn't recognise the ethernetcard, but i'd be happy to have a mouse
[08:47] <Treenaks> RubenV: you can try to select it yourself using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:47] <RubenV> can i manually modprobe it or something
[08:47] <RubenV> i can't find a device node that sends out stuff if i move the mouse
[08:47] <ggi> jazzka: No, but let's not, and say we did.
[08:47] <Kamion> I think serial mouse detection is known-broken
[08:48] <Kamion> RubenV: I bet /dev/ttyS0 is what you want; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say that in place of /dev/input/mice
[08:48] <RubenV> it's an MS mouse
[08:48] <RubenV> one of those old 2 button + wheel things
[08:50] <RubenV> if I cat /dev/ttyS* and move the mouse, nothing happens :s
[08:50] <oferw555> anybody here from the translation team?
[08:51] <ba\\off-> oferw555, what do you need
[08:51] <oferw555> translation to hebrew
[08:52] <RubenV> do i need to modprobe stuff for a serial mouse?
[08:53] <RubenV> if i start the live cd, I can use the mouse
[08:53] <Treenaks> RubenV: not as far as I know, just select the right driver for it
[08:53] <Ann1> Hi. In Ubuntu/Gnome, the refresh rate for my screen resolution is fixed at 60Hz, but it ought to be 75Hz. This option is not given, is there an easy way out? 
[08:54] <baHam> Ann1, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 
[08:54] <baHam> Ann1, when u get to the screen configuration just chose advanced mode and set your stuff
[08:54] <RubenV> Treenaks: right driver? I'm not getting any input on the device nodes
[08:54] <Ann1> There is no advanced mode
[08:54] <Treenaks> RubenV: no, you need to select the rigth driver, baud rate etc in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:55] <Treenaks> RubenV: then it should work
[08:55] <Treenaks> Ann1: at the end there is
[08:55] <baHam> Ann1, it asks for medium or advanced
[08:55] <RubenV> Treenaks: the livecd uses /dev/mouse in Xfree
[08:55] <Ann1> baHam: are you talking about the GUI under Gnome?
[08:56] <jaboo> i'm contemplating a ubuntu install. however, i would have to wipe out a gentoo install to do it. so, i want to make an informed decision.
[08:56] <djpig> Hmm, can someone perhaps make up a text for Ubuntu for http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros ?
[08:56] <baHam> Ann1, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:56] <funkytwig> khronic - thanks will try that
[08:56] <jaboo> i have an inspiron 5100 notebook with ac '97 sound that uses snd-intel8x0. is this broken in ubuntu at the moment?
[08:57] <jaboo> i have seen people having problems with this on the unofficial ubuntu forums.
[08:57] <Ann1> oh I see. Is there a chance I can mess up anything (noob)? 
[08:58] <Ann1> anyway, let my just try it, if I have a dead end I'll let you know
[08:58] <Dekkard> man i really dont want to install k3b
[08:58] <green_> hi all new newbie
[08:58] <green_> :)
[08:59] <Dekkard> many are the newbies.. they are legion
[08:59] <jaboo> any thoughts on the snd-intel8x0 kernel module on ac '97 chips in dell inspiron notebooks?
[09:00] <sator> can anyone tell me how to change the keyboars layout in ubuntu=
[09:00] <sator> i just installed
[09:01] <green_> i just installed too :) turkish
[09:01] <green_> i just installed too :) turkish-ubuntu
[09:01] <lhb> in the preference section is keyboard layouts
[09:02] <green_> but i add the debian amd4 servers to sources.list
[09:02] <sator> ok found it thx
[09:02] <witigonen> How do I change the splash screen?
[09:02] <green_> i think ubuntu is the easiest way to have a debian box :)
[09:02] <Ann1> That xreconfigure thingy is running me through some very scary questions which are all outside my ability, if I just 'ok' them until I get to the screen refresh rate, will it keep all the settings for all the other stuff as it was before, or change everything?
[09:02] <lhb> green_: a good looking debian box :)
[09:02] <bob2> Ann1: it will stay the same

[09:03] <Ann1> thanks
[09:03] <Kamion> djpig: asking
[09:04] <lhb> witigonen: one way will be too copy the one you want to use to the /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ directory
[09:04] <green_> lhb, i tried to install debian but i think debian is not easy to install :(
[09:04] <witigonen> lhb, thanks.
[09:05] <lhb> witigonen: then make a symbolic link to unbuntu-splash.png
[09:05] <tolle> hmms, what are the commands for changing the sound settings when you use oss?
[09:05] <lhb> witigonen: remember to use sudo
[09:05] <tolle> ages since i used it so i've forgotten
[09:06] <green_> ive a amd64, and i installed fedora core 2 but not 64bit it is 32bit so machine was tooo slooooow
[09:06] <witigonen> lhb, thanks again.
[09:06] <lhb> witigonen: no worries
[09:06] <Kamion> djpig: is the first paragraph of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ about the right tone for you?
[09:06] <green_> ubuntu 64bit and its great to install and easy to use update upgrade :)
[09:06] <green_> thanks ubuntu
[09:07] <Kamion> djpig: ("Ubuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and ..." etc.)
[09:07] <Kamion> djpig: we're happy for you to copy/paste that
[09:08] <Kamion> djpig: (or I'll commit it if you want)
[09:09] <sabdfl> green_: you're welcome, send beer to mithrandir if you see him online
[09:09] <green_> sabdfl, ok :)
[09:11] <Ann1> OK I'm done now, am I correct in assuming that the change takes place after I reboot?
[09:11] <bob2> no
[09:11] <bob2> just restart X.
[09:11] <bob2> "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart"
[09:11] <Ann1> ok
[09:14] <witigonen> How can I turn off spatial browsing?
[09:14] <Kamion> djpig: I've got something in my webwml working copy here, let me know if you object
[09:14] <sellout> kernel compiling on a laptop is painfull
[09:15] <s7s> topyli, Have you installed any engines?
[09:17] <Ann1> That went pretty wrong...
[09:17] <Ann1> I had to do a reboot because I suddenly found myself without GUI
[09:17] <s7s> topyli, I tried to install all kind?a theme-crap-thingies with apt-get, but it still wont install it
[09:18] <stvn> witigonen: with gconf, google for spatial browser and swtich off and you'll find it ;)
[09:18] <Ann1> Do I have to repeat everything now?
[09:18] <stvn> Ann1: tried sudo gdm
[09:19] <Ann1> stvn, are you suggesting something to me or telling others what I tried?
[09:19] <inklingx> witigonen: or go to Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> File Management : in Behavior click on Always open in Browser Windows
[09:20] <witigonen> Great, thanks all.
[09:20] <stvn> Ann1: i was suggesting, i missed the?, but i see it's prolly useless since you already rebooted
[09:20] <witigonen> Okay, well, I guess my main problem now is just getting the fglrx drivers to work.
[09:20] <sator> can anyone tell me how to mount ntfs partitions
[09:20] <witigonen> Anybody feel like helping me with that?
[09:21] <sator> looks like ntfs is not supported bu default
[09:21] <witigonen> sator, it is.  I have three ntfs drives that all worked right away.
[09:21] <Ann1> well I suddenly found myself in a DOS sort of screen and I haven't reached that sort of knowledge yet. What was I suppose to do there?
[09:21] <sator> ok good news
[09:21] <inklingx> witigonen: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=fglrx
[09:21] <stratos> does anyone here know how to set up cyrus-imap under ubuntu? it won't let me log in with cyradm. 
[09:21] <sator> i can't seem to mount them though
[09:21] <stvn> Ann1: ok, that's the command line, nothing scary, just a bit odd
[09:22] <frank____> Hi guys! Did anyone installed Ubuntu on a pSeries RS/6000 (PowerPC 64bit CHRP)?
[09:22] <witigonen> inklingx, I've followed that twice and I'm still getting mesa drivers :/
[09:22] <stvn> Ann1: did you login on the command line?
[09:22] <Ann1> yes
[09:22] <Ann1> but nothing else happened
[09:22] <stvn> Ann1: try sudo gdm
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Oh my, we are getting close to 300 people in the irc channel :D
[09:23] <Ann1> in the root terminal?
[09:23] <stvn> yep
[09:23] <Kamion> frank____: not supported in warty, sorry
[09:23] <Ann1> "gdm already running. Aborting!"
[09:23] <frank____> Kamion: ok :-(
[09:24] <skar> hi, how do i disable dhcp for my eth0 lan device and use my desired ip?
[09:24] <s7s> f***
[09:24] <Kamion> frank____: will hopefully expand powerpc support in the next release, but for now we've only got newworld powermacs
[09:24] <stvn> Ann1: try alt-f7 (alt key and f7 key at once)
[09:24] <Treenaks> skar: using the Computer -> System Configuation -> Network configuration applet
[09:24] <LinuxJones> skar, Computer >> System Config >> Networking
[09:25] <stvn> skar: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:25] <inklingx> sator: add somthing like  /dev/Y /mnt/X ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0 to your /etc/fstab
[09:25] <Kamion> frank____: we haven't intentionally broken it, so you *may* be able to do it if you can manage to get the kernel/initrd to boot ...
[09:25] <inklingx> sator: the umask=000 is important ;)
[09:25] <Ann1> Alt F7 makes this window float...
[09:25] <Kamion> frank____: but you'll need to get mkvmlinuz from somewhere and use that Debian-style after the kernel and initrd are installed in the target system
[09:26] <sator> thx inklingx
[09:26] <stvn> Ann1: huh? if you press alt-f7 you still see this chat, I mean all the time?
[09:26] <sator> i ll heve a go at that
[09:26] <inklingx> sator: let me know if it works ;)
[09:26] <Ann1> yes
[09:26] <stratos> stvn, alt+f7 is moving a window :)
[09:26] <stvn> stratos: thanks, i was thinking (s)he was stuck in the terminal
[09:27] <stratos> me two :)
[09:27] <stratos> ;)
[09:27] <frank____> Kamion: OK thanks again
[09:27] <stvn> Ann1: oh, ok, you have a different problem than I assumed
[09:27] <Ann1> No, after rebooting I went straight back into the normal Gnome GUI
[09:27] <stvn> Ann1: can you explain again what your problem is? I made the wrong assumptions apparently
[09:28] <Kamion> frank____: do those things use yaboot?
[09:28] <witigonen> Could somebody help me with some ATI/fglrx driver problems I'm having?  I've followed the howto and it's still coming up with mesa drivers.
[09:28] <Kamion> I'd guess netboot would be most convenient ...
[09:28] <taviguy> I am having trouble getting my ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 working on my emachines amd 64 6805
[09:28] <inklingx> witigonen: any solution for your fglrx yet?
[09:28] <Ann1> Well, I tried to change the refresh rate from 60 to 75, which I did in this reconfig thingy, and then I gave in a command I was told to finalize 
[09:29] <stratos> witigonen, what does lsmod say?
[09:29] <taviguy> I am trying the debian packages of fglrx but they don't support 64bit
[09:29] <witigonen> inklingx, none at all.
[09:29] <stvn> Ann1: is the refresh rate changed now?
[09:29] <witigonen> stratos: fglrx 215044 0
[09:29] <frank____> Kamion: we currently run Gentoo for PPC64 and it's use yaboot...but I thin a "special" yaboot (for CHRP hardware) putted into boot part with dd if...of...
[09:29] <xbsd> Hi, I would like to know if bin9 and dnsutils are not upgraded by default by apt-get or is just me?
[09:30] <Kamion> frank____: right, I think I've seen instructions on doing yaboot/chrp like that
[09:30] <xbsd> bin9=bind9
[09:30] <Ann1> no, because after the screen went into "DOS" mode and I had to give my username password, and got stuck because I didn't know how to go further
[09:30] <stratos> witigonen, what does your /etc/XF86Config-r say at the Driver keyword under Device
[09:30] <Kamion> frank____: see http://bugs.debian.org/243669 for one of the problematic issues
[09:30] <stratos> ermm /etc/XF86Config-4
[09:30] <Kamion> (the parted bit)
[09:30] <s7s> Ubuntu won?t let me install this theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14642
[09:31] <s7s> help
[09:31] <witigonen> stratos, fglrx
[09:31] <stvn> Ann1: just to be sure, do you have no gui at all at the moment? eg no mouse, windows etc?
[09:31] <taviguy> stvn: can I msg you?
[09:31] <stvn> taviguy: yeah
[09:32] <Ann1> No I rebooted thereafter and now chat from within Gnome
[09:32] <frank____> Kamion: infact in Gentoo ppc64 you must not use yaboot config tool
[09:32] <Ann1> I DO have a GUI
[09:32] <stratos> witigonen, what does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say. does it give any errors or warnings that could have anything to do with fglrx
[09:33] <Ann1> I think the problem is that you don't know the command the other guy told me after I was finished with reconfigure. 
[09:33] <stvn> Ann1: ok, well the command should have increased the refresh rate, did it or now? (none problem at a time ;)
[09:33] <Kamion> frank____: oh, indeed, but our installer doesn't use that either
[09:33] <Kamion> anyway, gone
[09:34] <Ann1> No, the refresh rate is still at 60, the changes I did in reconfig didn't take
[09:34] <witigonen> Ah, here we go: (WW) fglrx: No maching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:3:0:1) found
[09:34] <witigonen> Stratos, the card is a dual-head, maybe it's trying to use the fglrx driver for the wrong head...?
[09:34] <RageMax> are there any repositories for more multimedia apps and plugins?
[09:35] <LinuxJones> RageMax, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[09:35] <RageMax> thanks
[09:36] <stvn> Ann1: can you do less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and look for Section "monitor" and rell me the VertRefresh?
[09:36] <stratos> witigonen, no that appears to be a normal warning, i have it too. (and my driver is working.)
[09:36] <Ann1> ok
[09:36] <stratos> just above should be something like primairy device is: PCI:3:00:0
[09:37] <witigonen> stratos, okay.  There is a lot of fglrx activity after that, I'm still looking for a warning/error.
[09:37] <Ann1> ection "Monitor"
[09:37] <Ann1> 	Identifier	"Highscreen MS 1795P"
[09:37] <Ann1> 	HorizSync	30-60
[09:37] <Ann1> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[09:37] <Ann1> 	Option		"DPMS"
[09:37] <stratos> witigonen, k
[09:37] <Ann1> I put that monitor name
[09:37] <PrintGuy> Anyone having success with printing?  I've had nothing but problems with parallel port and networked (JetDirect, Windows, CUPS).
[09:37] <McManus> Hello y'all
[09:38] <McManus> umm...  does ubuntu set a default root password?  because...  I never got prompted for one
[09:38] <LinuxJones> McManus, hi
[09:38] <LinuxJones> McManus, Ubuntu uses sudo
[09:38] <sator> how do i setup the root account, since sudo init 3 doesn' t seem to work?
[09:38] <stvn> Ann1: check in Section "Screen" if at Monitor the same name for the monitor is
[09:38] <stratos> ubuntu disables root.  you use sudo to do evrything.
[09:38] <stratos> if you need root powers, use sudo -s
[09:39] <PrintGuy> McManus:  No, you can set root password using "passwd" under a root console or "sudo passwd" from a regular one
[09:39] <xbsd> Ok guys, I need to know if bind9 or dnsutils are not upgraded by default (by apt-get)
[09:39] <LinuxJones> sator, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:39] <Ann1> Section "Screen"
[09:39] <Ann1> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[09:39] <Ann1> 	Device		"Generic Video Card"
[09:39] <Ann1> 	Monitor		"Highscreen MS 1795P"
[09:39] <Ann1> 	DefaultDepth	24
[09:39] <witigonen> stratos: DRI initialization failed (maybe driver kenel module missing or bad)
[09:40] <sator> linuxjones  : thx
[09:40] <sator> i ll read
[09:40] <LinuxJones> xbsd, if the packages are installed and a new version is released they will upgrade
[09:40] <stvn> Ann1: ok, what resolution is your screen? -  btw posting into the channel isn't really polite, either post one line, or msg it to me
[09:40] <LinuxJones> sator, :)
[09:40] <Ann1> Oh sorry
[09:40] <stvn> Ann1: noone complained yet ;)
[09:40] <PrintGuy> Again, has anyone got printing to work OK on networked printers?
[09:41] <witigonen> stratos, should I go through fglrxconfig?
[09:41] <stratos> witigonen, alright that's probebly it.
[09:41] <xbsd> LinuxJones, well is just that by apt-get does not upgrade bind9 or dnsutils because it was told not to, so I didn't know if that was default or a mistake I made
[09:41] <Ann1> its 1028x7something
[09:41] <YogeshM> can i remove evolution grouipware safely???
[09:41] <stvn> Ann1: 1024X786 prolly
[09:41] <stratos> witigonen, mmm i'll upload my XF86Config, perhaps it's a settings thing.
[09:41] <mjr> ...768 probably
[09:41] <stratos> then you can compare the two
[09:41] <Ann1> yes, shit my children are coming home, I have to cook now
[09:42] <YogeshM> can i remove evolution grouipware safely???
[09:42] <witigonen> stratos, thank you.
[09:42] <stvn> Ann1: ok wait a minute
[09:42] <YogeshM> it says that it will remove ubuntu-desktop too !!
[09:42] <Ann1> ok
[09:42] <LinuxJones> xbsd, ohh they are NOT installed by default and the latest version of bind9 is >> 1:9.2.4-1
[09:43] <YogeshM> ploum : can i remove evolution groupware safely?
[09:43] <stvn> Ann1: if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change the HorizSync value from 30-60 to 30-70 you prolly will get a better refreshrate
[09:43] <nicodiemus> lo there.
[09:43] <stratos> witigonen, http://www.stratos-online.nl/XF86Config-4
[09:43] <YogeshM> ploum : can i remove evolution groupware safely?
[09:43] <Ann1> You mean I just change the text and save?
[09:43] <Ann1> in that file
[09:43] <stvn> Ann1: but it might if the monitor does very weird, quickly press ctrl-alt-f1
[09:44] <YogeshM> EVERYBODY : can i remove evolution groupware safely?
[09:44] <stvn> Ann1: yeah and reboot
[09:44] <nicodiemus> You should be able to, Yogesh.
[09:44] <nicodiemus> I can't imagine it being a system critical application.
[09:44] <Ann1> ok
[09:44] <Ann1> I better write that ctrl alt f1 down
[09:44] <stratos> YogeshM, depends, your evolution probebly won't work anymore :) 
[09:44] <xbsd> LinuxJones, no I have both packages installed ( I don't know if I really need them or not since I use my Pc as a desktop). The thing is, apt-get was told not to upgrade those 2 pks, but I don't know if I did it by mistake or it was a default config.
[09:44] <stvn> Ann1: it will change the maximum settings the computer *thinks* the monitor can handle, if they are too high and the monitor too old it might destroy the monitor :(
[09:44] <inklingx> YogeshM: if you don't know the answare to you question, you should better not remove it ;)
[09:44] <nicodiemus> And the ownage rolls in.
[09:44] <Ann1> oops
[09:45] <nicodiemus> :)
[09:45] <witigonen> stratos, your device section is massive compared to mine.  I'm going to run through fglrxconfig and see if that fixes it.
[09:45] <YogeshM> nicodiemius it says that it will remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <nicodiemus> !!!!!
[09:45] <nicodiemus> Woah.
[09:45] <nicodiemus> Then you better leave it alone ;0
[09:45] <mjr> YogeshM, probably yes, though if ubuntu-desktop adds some dependencies later you won't get them automatically during upgrade
[09:45] <stvn> Ann1: you get in a very 'DOS' like screen with ctrl-alt-f1 you need to login, and type irssi -c irc.debian.org to get help ;)
[09:45] <stratos> witigonen, well my experience with fglrxconfig is that it makes a very very very messy file, basicly i copy&pasted the device section :)
[09:45] <stratos> to my normal XF86config file
[09:45] <witigonen> stratos, so true..
[09:45] <spiv> nicodiemus, YogeshM: removing ubuntu-desktop is harmless.
[09:45] <stvn> Ann1: otherwise wait untill tomorrow and do it with help ;)
[09:46] <YogeshM> mjr : can i remove evolution and ubuntu-desktop and then reinstall ubuntu-desktop ???
[09:46] <mjr> YogeshM, pragmatic answer: yeah, but don't, until you understand why it is or isn't a good idea
[09:46] <LinuxJones> xbsd, you can safely remove bind9 for sure
[09:46] <PrintGuy> Final try. . .has anyone got network printing to work?
[09:46] <xbsd> LinuxJones, ah thx!
[09:46] <spiv> nicodiemus, YogeshM: it's an empty package that depends on everything in the default install, to make it easy to make sure you have all the default apps.
[09:46] <LinuxJones> xbsd, keep dnsutils tho
[09:46] <mjr> why do you want to remove it anyway?
[09:46] <nicodiemus> thanks for the info, spiv.
[09:47] <spiv> If you want to very your selection of packages, then that's no big issue :)
[09:47] <doogie> vary
[09:47] <nicodiemus> Good method of tracking system changes for the devs.
[09:47] <spiv> doogie: Ta :)
[09:47] <stratos> any people who got cyrus-imap working? 
[09:48] <mair> which kernel should I use for a AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor?
[09:48] <inklingx> stratos: only courier-imap ;)
[09:48] <stvn> anyone knows if there are issues with upgrading to ubuntu from debian-sarge?
[09:48] <YogeshM> mjr: to install thunderbird withiut having evolution
[09:48] <witigonen> Rebooting to see if it worked, I'll be back to let you know, stratos.
[09:48] <nicodiemus> mair, i'd say stick with a default, unless you feel comfortable compiling your own.
[09:48] <LinuxJones> mair, >> linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7
[09:48] <stratos> inklingx, mmm looked at it, but it seemed that it would use files in my users directory. i'm trying to avoid such constructions
[09:48] <nicodiemus> Or that.
[09:49] <nicodiemus> That's good too.
[09:49] <LinuxJones> mair, the 386 will probably be jsut fine though
[09:50] <YogeshM> mjr: can i???
[09:50] <stvn> does ubuntu for the amd64 have all the packages in main and restricted as the i386 version has?
[09:50] <mair> LinuxJones: the k7 kernel will work with a k6 processor?
[09:50] <YogeshM> mjr: can i???
[09:50] <YogeshM> mjr: can i???
[09:50] <nicodiemus> mair, there probably aren't very many real differences in the build.
[09:50] <LinuxJones> mair, ya but you probably will not notice any difference form the 386 so it's probably not worth the effort.
[09:50] <nicodiemus> but it will be better than the generic i386
[09:50] <mxpxpod> woohoo! I made a ubuntu colored glider theme :)
[09:51] <LinuxJones> err from
[09:51] <green_> stvn: may be you use debian servers for 64bit
[09:51] <nicodiemus> I really loved the Ubuntu logo. Glad to see someone applying modern advertising that's not SuSE. :D
[09:51] <green_> im using debian pure64 sources
[09:51] <stvn> green_: eh? I mean the 2 repositories of ubuntu which are on at default
[09:52] <green_> hmm
[09:52] <nicodiemus> Does anyone know of Open-Xchange .deb packages, at all/
[09:52] <nicodiemus> I'll i
[09:52] <nicodiemus> All i've found is raw source which is a pig to compile.
[09:52] <stvn> green_: i was just wondering if all the packages in those two repositories are the same over all architectures
[09:52] <witigonen> Still mesa.
[09:52] <invitro> Hi, is there a repository from where I can install monodevelop?
[09:53] <stvn> witigonen: mobile radeon problems?
[09:53] <witigonen> stvn, Radeon 9800 Pro.
[09:53] <stvn> witigonen: ah, was trying to help someone with mobile radeon problems, but he seems to have gone away or something
[09:54] <witigonen> stvn, everything appears to have installed correctly, no errors, I followed the howto, but it refuses to load the fglrx drivers.  
[09:54] <stratos> witigonen, well then i'm out of idea's. for me my radeon 'just worked'
[09:54] <witigonen> What's the path to the x log file?
[09:54] <invitro> anyone?
[09:54] <stvn> witigonen: you do get X started, only without proper 3D support?
[09:54] <witigonen> stvn, correct.
[09:54] <stratos> witigonen, /var/log/XFsumthing
[09:54] <witigonen> stratos, thanks.
[09:54] <invitro> I've googled around not finding anything, but I've heard it's somewhere...
[09:55] <stvn> witigonen: count yourself lucky, the other buy even didn't get X stered ;)
[09:55] <stvn> ew that's a lot of typos
[09:55] <stvn> guy started
[09:56] <witigonen> Okay, here's where I think fglrx is failing: it gives me a DRI Initialization failed! (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) 2d acceleration available (MMIO) no 3D acceleration available.
[09:56] <LinuxJones> witigonen, did you load the module ?
[09:57] <witigonen> Wait, I just saw an EE in the file: [agp]  unable to aquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM", cannot init AGP
[09:57] <stvn> witigonen: dunno about ati, but for nvidia you need to remove the dri module from /etx/X!1/XFConfig
[09:57] <witigonen> LinuxJones, I haven't specifically told it to load, I just assumed that it would automatically.
[09:57] <LinuxJones> witigonen, it is not load with modprobe 
[09:58] <sellout> a/quit time to try 2.6.9
[09:58] <stratos> LinuxJones, it is loaded. it's just not used :)
[09:58] <LinuxJones> stratos, eh ?
[09:58] <LinuxJones> stratos, you don't have to specifically load the ati driver , I use nvidia :)
[09:59] <stratos> i tried to help him a few secs back. so first thing i asked what the ouput of lsmod was. and fglrx was loaded
[09:59] <stvn> witigonen: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for the modules
[09:59] <LinuxJones> stratos, ahh I will let you work sorry :D
[09:59] <stratos> no i'm out of idea's already.
[10:00] <inklingx> witigonen: look at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html : he says something about opengl not working 
[10:00] <stratos> i'm just seeing people asking questions i already asked a few minutes back.
[10:00] <witigonen> stvn, dri is in the modules list, fglrx isn't in the list, but it's not in stratos' either.
[10:00] <stvn> witigonen: hm
[10:01] <stvn> stratos: do you have the dri module in the XFconfig list?
[10:01] <stratos> stvn, yeah
[10:01] <stvn> k, ta
[10:01] <moyote> Has anyone gotten rhythmbox to work? Just wondering.
[10:01] <LinuxJones> moyote, what is not working exactly ?
[10:01] <stratos> moyote, out of the box. yeah
[10:02] <agenteo> If I open an mp3 file from nautilus using gmplayer I've got an error, If I open gmplayer from console and then I browse to the file I'd like to listen it's ok... someone knows why? The error is: audio_setup can't open audio device /dev/dsp device busy...
[10:02] <stvn> witigonen: I can't help you, have no experience with newer ATI cards, and if stratos has one working with this conf. and you not, well hm....
[10:02] <moyote> LinuxJones, When I try to stream a radio station, the program freezes and I have to kill it.
[10:02] <stratos> moyote, that part's a bit borked yeah, i have that too sometimes. but only with a hand full of stations.
[10:02] <stvn> witigonen: mighbe something to do with other modules loaded, but that's tricky bizniz
[10:02] <witigonen> I'll copy a few things from his, see if I can't get it to work.  Question, though: what's the best way to start/stop the x server so I don't have to reboot?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> moyote, what type of stream is it ?
[10:03] <stvn> witigonen: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:03] <stratos> stvn, nah
[10:03] <moyote> LinuxJones, ??
[10:03] <stratos> X :2
[10:03] <inklingx> agenteo: change the audio output for gmplayer to oss
[10:03] <stratos> in a gnome-terminal or what not
[10:03] <LinuxJones> moyote, is it an mp3 stream ?
[10:03] <witigonen> stvn, thanks.
[10:03] <moyote> Noodles, I don't think. How do I determine what it is?
[10:04] <stvn> stratos: does that kill the X server?
[10:04] <moyote> Noodles, wtf: that was for LinuxJones.
[10:04] <stratos> stvn, no it starts another one. 
[10:04] <moyote> WTF?
[10:04] <stratos> you an access it with alt+f8 
[10:04] <stratos> ain't X great :)
[10:04] <inklingx> witigonen: ctrl-alt-backspace ;)
[10:04] <stvn> stratos: thought so, but i'm used to slow computers where you don't want another X server running ;)
[10:04] <moyote> LinuxJones, 
[10:04] <LinuxJones> moyote, umm paste the url and let me see if I can open it
[10:04] <stvn> stratos: btw i would have though it was X :1
[10:05] <moyote> Just testing my typing sorry
[10:05] <LinuxJones> :)
[10:05] <stratos> stvn, was uncertain if gdm wasn't on his own little X server, so just for safty i said 2.  could have been 2343 for all X cares probebly.
[10:06] <stvn> smart thinking
[10:07] <agenteo> inklingx: sorry but I really don'y know how to do it :-\ I'm in front of a mplayer oss driver configuration...
[10:07] <agenteo> inklingx: I see device and mixer...
[10:08] <witigonen> brb.
[10:08] <inklingx> agenteo: just click on oss ;)
[10:08] <inklingx> agenteo: and then ok and close gmplayer
[10:09] <moyote> LinuxJones, could you paste one of your working urls so I can see if it works for me?
[10:10] <LinuxJones> moyote, it's probalby an mp3 stream try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:10] <green_> is there anyone who knows if there is a flash plugin for mozilla / firefox on amd64 box??
[10:10] <moyote> LinuxJones: ok, thx
[10:10] <stvn> green_: is it not in multiverse?
[10:11] <stratos_> ok, just a warning for people who have a ati and are using the fglrx drivers. starting up a second X server and then killing it. chrashes your machine apperently.
[10:11] <agenteo> inklingx: I think I've done it... but now when I open a mp3 with gmplayer I see: "could not open initialize audio device  -> no sound"
[10:11] <stvn> stratos_: hehe
[10:11] <agenteo> inklingx: sorry to stress you :-\
[10:11] <green_> stvn: yes but i think macromedia should build a true 64 bit flash plugin? am i wrong?
[10:12] <green_> or they should release the source of flash plugin
[10:12] <green_> ?
[10:12] <stvn> green_: don't know, still no 64bit machine here ;(
[10:12] <agenteo> inklingx: you know, if I press the play button after the error message I can listen the song... but... why that error...
[10:12] <stvn> green_: but 32bit *should* work
[10:13] <moyote> LinuxJones: I don't see gstreamer0.8-mad. should that be mod?
[10:13] <green_> stvn: yes ithink ill install 32bit version
[10:13] <stvn> moyote: you need extra repositories
[10:13] <green_> stvn: but first ill install 32bit firefox :(
[10:14] <stvn> green_: heh
[10:14] <moyote> stvn: which ones?
[10:15] <mirak_-> moyote, enable them all
[10:15] <stvn> moyote: universe : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:15] <moyote> ok, ty
[10:15] <green_> here is a new topic :) "why macromedia is so blind to see there is millions of linux users?"
[10:15] <stvn> green_: because these millions don't pay
[10:15] <mirak_-> green_, maybe they don't care
[10:16] <McManus> Alrighty...  after playing around with Ubuntu for a few hours, I have to say, it's rather nice :-)
[10:16] <green_> i knoe that i pay for macromedia products
[10:16] <mirak_-> mcmanus, duh!
[10:16] <McManus> :-)
[10:16] <Aan3432> anyone tried the final release?
[10:16] <green_> i think their products are good
[10:16] <McManus> Hey man, I'm a pretty /die-hard/ Gentoo & Debian user, but my laptop is too slow for Gentoo, and I figured I'd give Ubuntu a whirl over Debian this time around.
[10:16] <Aan3432> So how's this different from the last release candidate?
[10:17] <green_> as a developer i used thier products many times
[10:17] <Aan3432> I had bunch of hardware compt. problems with the last release
[10:17] <witigonen> Still mesa.
[10:17] <stvn> green_: I tend to agree, but I think their main target is already using windows/mac os and not linux, so they don't care
[10:17] <Aan3432> I read the release note... didn't say anything~!
[10:18] <stvn> Aan3432: didn't notice any changes
[10:18] <Aan3432> stvn... urgg.
[10:18] <green_> i agree with you but at least they could releas their product are competitable with wine
[10:18] <ignition> hi
[10:18] <Aan3432> so it's basically repackaged release candidate with no homoerotic background picture?
[10:18] <stratos_> i'm going to do some low-tech entertainment.
[10:18] <ignition> could anyone help me a bit
[10:19] <mirak_-> shoot
[10:19] <ignition> im installing ubuntu
[10:19] <mirak_-> k
[10:19] <ignition> now its formatting the HD
[10:19] <ignition> 160 GB
[10:19] <mirak_-> kk
[10:19] <stvn> Aan3432: prolly some minor updates and not sure about that homo-erotic thing you're talking about ;)
[10:19] <ignition> its like...30 mins at 0%
[10:19] <ignition> did it freeze or should i let it roll
[10:19] <green_> time is 23:19 here i got to home :) to sleep c u folks
[10:19] <Aan3432> the white guy was covering his tits.. :(
[10:19] <stvn> night green_ 
[10:20] <meff> hmm
[10:20] <meff> where can i see this 'homoerotic' screen?
[10:20] <stvn> Aan3432: heh. not on this computer ;)
[10:20] <meff> :)
[10:20] <ignition> does the formatting show progress ?
[10:20] <Aan3432> hmm... did anyone try any kind of USB Wifi card with the final release?
[10:20] <stvn> ignition: 30 mins stall doesn't seem right
[10:20] <Aan3432> meff, hmm..last release candidate..
[10:20] <ignition> its almost 30 mins at 0%
[10:21] <stvn> Aan3432: the splash screen or the background?
[10:21] <Aan3432> one black chick covering his mammary glands with her elbow... white girl's covered with ubuntu logo... white guy's covered with his hands..
[10:21] <ignition> which is a bit strange since other distro's seem to format in a second
[10:21] <mirak_-> ignition.......try it again
[10:21] <ignition> just reboot and try again ?
[10:21] <stvn> ignition: i'd say it's wrong, but I only formated 10Gb but I saw progress and only took a minute
[10:21] <mirak_-> yeah
[10:21] <stvn> ignition: yeah
[10:22] <ignition> alright, thanks
[10:22] <mirak_-> kk
[10:22] <Aan3432> yeah, bec. it only rewrites the partition info... 
[10:22] <ignition> i would have waited for a long tim 
[10:22] <ignition> e
[10:22] <ignition> :P
[10:22] <mirak_-> lol
[10:22] <Aan3432> no low-level formatting anymore...
[10:22] <stvn> :)
[10:22] <nickers> does the default kernel have no loop iso mount support?
[10:22] <Aan3432> it should.. that's very standard feature..
[10:22] <nickers> i thought so too
[10:22] <stvn> one day ppl will discover skeletons glued to their keyboard with an ubuntu installer frozen at the format sequence
[10:22] <meff> anyone having an rndc error with bind9?
[10:23] <nickers> mount -o loop blah.iso /mnt/tmp
[10:23] <nickers> cant find /dev/loop
[10:23] <SmokingFire> nickers: the last build i tried loop it didn't
[10:23] <moyote> stvn: thanks, the extra repositories did the trick.
[10:23] <mirak_-> hahahahahahahahah, stvn,
[10:23] <nickers> SmokingFire, thanks. i guess recompile
[10:23] <mirak_-> moyote, glad you got it
[10:23] <Aan3432> damn... 
[10:23] <ignition> :)
[10:23] <ignition> im just a linux noob
[10:23] <ignition> i downloaded fedora core 2
[10:23] <ignition> but cd is corrupt
[10:23] <ignition> and saw a review of ubuntu
[10:23] <Aan3432> no recompiling anything... no thank you.
[10:24] <ignition> and decided to try this instead
[10:24] <SmokingFire> nickers: no need to recompile, you can issue some commands to create it, don't remember off head, just google.
[10:24] <Aan3432> ignition, try downloading using bittorrents... you will NEVER get a bad file..
[10:24] <stvn> nickers: nickers sudo modprobe loop
[10:24] <mirak_->    ignition, I am newb too (just a few weeks old) and ubuntu is treating me real good
[10:24] <moyote> mirak_It works for the stations listed, Are there any other files that I might need?
[10:24] <Aan3432> really intensive check summy thingy.
[10:24] <mirak_-> moyote, beats me.....i am a newb
[10:24] <tvon|x31> mhm...bug in /etc/init.d/xfs
[10:25] <tvon|x31> redirects to dev/null instead of /dev/null
[10:25] <SmokingFire> ignition: how do you like it sofar?
[10:25] <moyote> mirak_thanks anyway
[10:25] <Aan3432> FUN FUN FUN... another boring class...
[10:25] <nickers> stvn, thats a no go :)
[10:25] <Aan3432> someone please kill me..
[10:25] <nickers> same error
[10:25] <Aan3432> literally and metaphorically...
[10:25] <mirak_-> moyote, for playing mp3's, I know that, that is all you need
[10:25] <nickers> lsmod shows it there
[10:25] <Aan3432> nickers, first, "man mount"
[10:25] <Rexioo> Hi all, Do the ubuntu supports serial ata drivers?
[10:25] <Aan3432> also try as a root..
[10:26] <stvn> nickers: ls /dev/loop* does result in loop0-loop7?
[10:26] <sp0rk> Rexioo yeah, ubuntu installed fine on my serial ata drive - detected it and everything
[10:26] <Rexioo> serial ata drives
[10:26] <Rexioo> ok
[10:27] <nickers> Aan3432, mount -o loop works on OpenBSD and Gentoo....is there some secret option i am missing for mounting a loop back iso9660 based device?
[10:27] <nickers> and stvn, there loops are there in dev
[10:27] <nickers> all owned by root
[10:27] <stvn> nickers: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0 <file>.iso /cdrom shoudld work
[10:28] <stvn> nickers: you could also change permissions of the /dev/loops
[10:28] <ignition> cool
[10:28] <ignition> now ubuntu hangs when checking disks
[10:29] <ignition> or the installer, better said
[10:29] <stvn> ignition: heh, you have weird discs?
[10:29] <ignition> its brand new
[10:29] <ignition> seagate 160 gb
[10:29] <nickers> stvn, specify the loop device worked
[10:30] <nickers> pretty goofy it doesnt default to loop0
[10:30] <stvn> nickers: prolly a debian thing, i always defined the loop device anyway
[10:30] <stvn> ignition: sata?
[10:30] <s7s> How do i install this faggot theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14642
[10:30] <nickers> stvn, guess i will have to get used to the debian way :) thanks for the help
[10:30] <stvn> nickers: np
[10:31] <mirak_-> s7s, still trying to do that???
[10:31] <LinuxJones> s7s, don't use distastefull language in the irc channel please
[10:31] <nickers> s7s, what a gross theme! 
[10:31] <ignition> last try, then ill aim my ubunutu disk towards the can
[10:31] <mirak_-> s7s, maybe you should say that when I try yo install this theme iget "these" errors
[10:31] <stvn> ignition: before you go, is it a serial ata disk?
[10:31] <ignition> no
[10:31] <ignition> IDE
[10:31] <ignition> :)
[10:31] <mirak_-> ignition, are you using the manual partitioner...or the auto??
[10:32] <ignition> auto
[10:32] <mirak_-> try the manual
[10:32] <ignition> well
[10:32] <mirak_-> ignition, try the manual
[10:32] <s7s> I dont get any errors, that?s the problem
[10:32] <meff> gah .. no matter how hard i try i CANT get bind9 working under ubuntu :(
[10:32] <ignition> i think it checks disks before i can choose
[10:32] <mirak_-> s7s, so you installed it...you just cant use it???
[10:32] <stvn> ignition: hm, would be a shame to ditch the ubuntu disc
[10:32] <ignition> i know
[10:32] <mirak_-> s7s, can you use any other themes that come with ubuntu?????
[10:33] <mirak_-> ignition, are you trying the manual partitioner???
[10:33] <ignition> but im in a bad mood kinda
[10:33] <ignition> mirak read
[10:33] <ignition> it checks before i can choose
[10:33] <mirak_-> ohh
[10:33] <ignition> and it hangs at checking
[10:33] <stvn> s7s: put it in the appropriate /usr/share something dir
[10:33] <ignition> :)
[10:33] <s7s> mirak_-, yes
[10:33] <Aan2343> any luck?
[10:33] <mirak_-> ignition, .....ohh....i thought you got 1 step past that part.sorry
[10:34] <stvn> ignition: try pulling it loose and put it back in, might be a stupid dust in the connecter thing
[10:34] <Aan2343> ignition, if you just can't repartition, get Partition Magic from some IRC chan.. use it under Winblows...
[10:34] <Aan2343> works everytime...
[10:34] <Aan2343> amazing program.
[10:34] <stvn> Aan2343: why not use a linux rescue live cd?
[10:35] <stvn> Aan2343: it's safer and you don't need windows/illegal software
[10:35] <Aan2343> stvn, I usually had bad experience with partition converters...especially gui based ones...
[10:36] <Aan2343> of course.... if you are good, CLI is good enough...right?
[10:36] <stvn> Aan2343: must confess that I used partition magic once to do some major reshuffling, I quite liked it, but I think it's better/safer to use linux based tools than tools obtained from irc channels ;)
[10:36] <Aan2343> stvn.. heh.
[10:36] <Mitario> is there a way to fetch tooltips with g-p-s?
[10:37] <Aan2343> well, I think piracy of software in the end benefits the comp.'s and the whole economy...
[10:38] <Aan2343> i mean bulk of money for Microsoft comes from OEM manufacturer.
[10:38] <stvn> Aan2343: the comps, not the whole economy/society, the smaller companies never get a change
[10:38] <ignition> alright
[10:38] <Aan2343> well, smaller comp.s..true..
[10:38] <Aan2343> :(
[10:38] <ignition> hangs at 41%
[10:38] <Aan2343> poor them...
[10:38] <Aan2343> oh well...
[10:38] <dot> how do I start sshd ?
[10:38] <ignition> aiming at the can
[10:38] <ignition> bye people..thanks for your help anyway :)
[10:38] <stvn> Aan2343: why does everyone use MS office/photshop/<random expensive app> because it's 'freely' available and everyone uses it
[10:38] <gecco> hi
[10:39] <Aan2343> stvn... bec. it's easier to install and figure out..
[10:39] <stvn> ignition: pity, but good luck with the disc, sounds faulty to me TBH
[10:39] <gecco> can anybody help with a problem?
[10:39] <Aan2343> linux thus far takes too much expertise to use it..
[10:39] <Mitario> gecco, sure we can
[10:39] <Aan2343> unless you have a geek friend you can ask for help..
[10:39] <gecco> i want to mount my other partions
[10:39] <stvn> Aan2343: nah, I know that Vellum is way better/easier than autocad, but every student has autocad, because it's 'free' and it's the standard
[10:40] <Aan2343> stvn, never tried autocad...
[10:40] <Mitario> gecco, you'll have to edit /etc/fstab until a better tool arrives
[10:40] <nickers> my question is why does everyone care if people use linux? i am a nerd...i like it....i dont care if my grandma uses it
[10:40] <stvn> Aan2343: basically my point is that illegal software benefits the monopolies/very large players
[10:40] <Aan2343> I prefer Mozilla/X-chat/mplayer/Openoffice...
[10:40] <Aan2343> better than tracking down serials and cracks.. and they are pretty useable..
[10:40] <dot> how do I know if ssh is running?
[10:40] <stvn> nickers: I only care if it's a computer on my lan ;)
[10:40] <LinuxJones> dot , netstat -tap
[10:40] <nickers> stvn, i do network security :) i totally understand that position
[10:41] <stvn> nickers: I do care about illegal software though, because like i said it supports the big players
[10:41] <dot> k it's not listed, how do I start sshd?
[10:41] <Aan2343> I kinda wished there were less no. of distro's...more larger collaberation like Debian...except more often releases.
[10:41] <nickers> stvn, i agree. When i was in the military microsoft looked the other way to giving us illegal software for home use because they knew we were the base admins...if we use it at home...we want it at work....
[10:41] <stvn> nickers: I'm the 'computer-guy' in the house and I told everyone I will not support windows, but will install/support linux, so they all switched to linux ;)
[10:41] <LinuxJones> dot , /etc/init.d/<service script name > start
[10:42] <oddabe19> why is my realtek network card so delayed... is that a bug?
[10:42] <nickers> i didnt but my buds loved it and pushed to have win2k3 just because its better
[10:42] <meff> Aan2343: heh you just described ubuntu :)
[10:42] <Aan2343> stvn..wow..
[10:42] <nickers> no technical merrits
[10:42] <dot> # /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:42] <dot> bash: /etc/init.d/ssh: No such file or directory+
[10:42] <Aan2343> meff, let's wait and see...had rough time with the release candidate..
[10:43] <stvn> it's a pity that I just put debian sarge on the last computer, now I want to try if it is possible to migrate all the computers to ubuntu without too much fuss for the users
[10:43] <inklingx> dot: sudo apt-get openssh-server
[10:44] <Aan2343> good things: speed, ease of installation, and Samba worked out of box..
[10:44] <dot> E: Invalid operation openssh-server
[10:44] <Aan2343> bad things: lack of proper support for usb wifi cards and still lack of configuration stuff..
[10:44] <oddabe19> dot: apt-get install openssh-server
[10:44] <stvn> dot: tried sudo apt-get install ssh
[10:44] <stvn> ?
[10:44] <dot> cool, ty
[10:44] <inklingx> dot: oops: apt-get install openssh-server
[10:44] <oddabe19> why is my realtek network card so delayed... is that a bug?
[10:45] <oddabe19> with the RC?
[10:45] <inklingx> dot: and enable it with sudo rcconfig
[10:45] <stvn> inklingx: heh, didn't spot that mistake either ;)
[10:45] <dot>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail] 
[10:45] <ijuz> oddabe19: you should explain "delayed"
[10:45] <dot> sudo: rcconfig: command not found
[10:45] <inklingx> dot: and enable it with sudo rcconf
[10:45] <inklingx> ;)
[10:46] <inklingx> it's late
[10:46] <oddabe19> sorry, like on websites, it's slow to load... i already disabled ipv6 in modules and in the kernel drivers
[10:46] <dot> sudo: rcconfig: command not found
[10:46] <oddabe19> i don't have this problem with anyother distro
[10:46] <inklingx> s/rcconfig/rcconf
[10:46] <dot> sudo: rcconf: command not found
[10:46] <oddabe19> is there a bug or something? i didn't see anything in the forums
[10:46] <ijuz> oddabe19: reproducable or it it just NOW?
[10:46] <oddabe19> everytime
[10:46] <oddabe19> 8139too is the driver
[10:47] <ijuz> very odd
[10:47] <oddabe19> yeah that's what i thought
[10:47] <ijuz> what's about the other driver? i think only 8139
[10:47] <oddabe19> i've been doing alot of diggin
[10:47] <oddabe19> no, 8139too
[10:47] <dot> any ideas?
[10:47] <LinuxJones> oddabe19, I have the same problem
[10:47] <Aan2343> prism2_usb doesn't work out of box on ubuntu..
[10:47] <oddabe19> that's how it is in debian and gentoo and fedora, it's 8139too.
[10:47] <oddabe19> LinuxJones, You do too? good, then it's not just me
[10:48] <Aan2343> well, I have yet to try the final release...
[10:48] <LinuxJones> oddabe19, it's been that way for about a week for me
[10:48] <Aan2343> anyone tried a prism2 usb based wifi card with ubuntu?
[10:48] <oddabe19> i was tearing apart the kernel drivers, and my router
[10:48] <oddabe19> :-P
[10:48] <LinuxJones> heh
[10:48] <oddabe19> LinuxJones, ok, good, it's been like that for awhile for me
[10:48] <oddabe19> since the install
[10:48] <dot> any ideas why I can't start ssh?
[10:48] <oddabe19> and i disabled ipv6
[10:48] <LinuxJones> I am gonna swap network card this weekend with another to see if it makes any difference
[10:49] <oddabe19> ahhh
[10:49] <oddabe19> good idea
[10:49] <ijuz> oddabe19: is the 8130cp driver included?
[10:49] <oddabe19> i'm not sure
[10:49] <inklingx> dot: try again /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:49] <Aan2343> support for rtl cards have been so so..
[10:49] <dot> I've tried several times
[10:49] <inklingx> dot: and sudo  /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:49] <oddabe19> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.ko
[10:49] <Aan2343> mostly bec. it's just the chip support and different implementation of oem's esp. NOt matching pci device id..
[10:49] <ijuz> i have just found a bug in warty: when you install with german keymap X still gets the US keymap
[10:49] <dot>  sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:49] <dot>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail] 
[10:50] <dot> and I tried as root
[10:50] <stvn> dot: I just tried sudo apt-get install ssh worked for me
[10:50] <stvn> dot: it installs both the openssh-server and ssh
[10:50] <oddabe19> Aan2343, well, i don't have this problem in any other distro, including Debian
[10:50] <oddabe19> do they have a fix of some type?
[10:51] <ijuz> oddabe19: i don't think it's a distribution problem, it's most likely the kernel
[10:51] <dot> needed restart
[10:51] <dot> thanks guys! :)
[10:51] <dot> later
[10:51] <oddabe19> damn
[10:51] <ijuz> oddabe19: how does you net connection work?
[10:51] <oddabe19> what do you mean
[10:51] <stvn> restart? huh, it worked without restart here
[10:51] <Aan2343> stvn, http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5419179.html ??? On slashdot... expensive hardware causes piracy.
[10:51] <ijuz> oddabe19: ppp over ethernet, or is there a gateway
[10:52] <Aan2343> oddabe19, well rtl8139 cards are supported usually with tulip..
[10:52] <stvn> Aan2343: unlike paying 250$ for an OS on a 500$ computer ;)
[10:52] <ijuz> Aan2343: when MS sells a quad box for 1000 EUR to me i'll promise to them to not pirate their software :)
[10:52] <Aan2343> either tulip conf file will have the proper device ID for your card..
[10:52] <Aan2343> if not, you might to manually add..
[10:52] <Rexioo> I am new user the ubuntu. I have two questions about ubuntu. 1. Is the gnome default desktop? 2. Where is list all packages from ubuntu?
[10:53] <stvn> Aan2343: it's pity that the guy is also called steve but he does manage to come up with 'interesting' views on the software world
[10:53] <oddabe19> where's the tulip config file... locate is only showing me, Tulip
[10:53] <Aan2343> my suggestion, instead of spending hours trying to get a $10 card to work).... just go out and buy a $10 that is generally supported..        
[10:53] <oddabe19> because, that's too easy
[10:54] <LinuxJones> Rexioo, 1) yes gnome 2) run synaptic
[10:54] <stvn> Aan2343: I guess he meant that pcs will be 100$: 50$ hardware $50 software: windows starter edition+ MS works
[10:54] <oddabe19> ;-)
[10:54] <Oriol> Hi
[10:54] <maruko-work> hi all, is there a way I can get this command to run upon login?:
[10:54] <maruko-work>  echo "quake2 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[10:54] <oddabe19> and I am financially challenged
[10:54] <oddabe19> :-P
[10:54] <ijuz> trl8139 supported by tulip???
[10:55] <ijuz> oddabe19: try the cp version
[10:55] <Oriol> I want to participate on web, it's possible to register my self?
[10:55] <oddabe19> ummm... ok...... i think
[10:55] <ijuz> oddabe19: are you sure that you did configure DNS correctly?
[10:56] <oddabe19> DHCP
[10:56] <oddabe19> i don't have too
[10:56] <ijuz> that the slowness is because of the NIC if it works at all seems to be unlikely, when i think about it
[10:57] <Aan2343> hmm?
[10:58] <ijuz> stvn: i'm sure there are people who will port it if NEC gives them a few textboxes
[10:58] <oddabe19> i love the comments to that article on Slashdot about M$ being in cars
[10:58] <inklingx> stvn: sure... only a few hours recompiling should do the trick ;)
[10:58] <stvn> ijuz: heh, i think so
[10:58] <oddabe19> i will shoot myself if M$ is in my next car
[10:58] <stvn> ijuz: hours? minutes you mean
[10:58] <Aan2343> heh.
[10:58] <Aan2343> pc's are dirt cheap..
[10:58] <stvn> s/ijuz/inklingx 
[10:58] <ijuz> stvn: first you need a gcc and binutils that will take a few month
[10:59] <Aan2343> got a new pc for 100 from fry's a few months ago..
[10:59] <Oriol> is there anybody from spain ?
[10:59] <DeadlyNightshade> Hey all
[10:59] <inklingx> stvn: seconds? ;)
[10:59] <oddabe19> i'm going dinner time... thanks for the help...
[10:59] <stvn> ijuz: wouldn't be surprised if it already had those
[10:59] <DeadlyNightshade> oddabe19: enjoy
[11:00] <stvn> inklingx: must be fun working on that kind of speed 'oh damn i compiled my kernel wrong' ... 'so this is better'
[11:00] <DeadlyNightshade> heh
[11:00] <Aan2343> hmm.. I remember taking like 15 hours to recompile a kernel on Pentium 90..
[11:01] <inklingx> stvn: yeah... and then start porting doom3 ;)
[11:01] <Aan2343> fun fun fun!
[11:01] <stvn> inklingx: heh, you need a 16000x12000 screen to run it at a decent sub 200Hz framerate ;)
[11:02] <inklingx> hmm... tubular screen... real 3d
[11:02] <inklingx> i hope it comes with pci-x
[11:02] <stvn> Aan2343: last kernel compile took me an entire day, untill i noticed that my cpu was too much overclocked and it didn't work at all :(
[11:03] <Aan2343> stvn..heh.
[11:03] <Aan2343> I refuse to recompile my kernel...
[11:03] <stvn> Aan2343: and I 'overclocked' it from 400 to 420 MHz :'(
[11:03] <Aan2343> heh... you need a better heatsink..
[11:03] <Aan2343> and better thermal grease... a la artic silver..
[11:04] <stvn> Aan2343: nah, it was not hot at all, it was prolly just a bad core or something
[11:04] <Aan2343> of course, the cost of them might be more expensive than gtting a fster cpu
[11:04] <ijuz> i just did a new install of warty... why were the humans removed from the gdm splash screen?
[11:04] <meff> last minute change ijuz
[11:04] <meff> heh
[11:04] <Aan2343> "the humans"
[11:04] <stvn> Aan2343: now I just hijack someone elses PC, being root on all the PCs in the house >;)
[11:05] <inklingx> distributed compiling? ;)
[11:05] <stvn> bring in the bots
[11:05] <ijuz> meff: i was actually suprised, never saw any humans in a distribution :)
[11:05] <Aan2343> ijuz, yeah, I miss the trisome action thingy as well.
[11:05] <meff> ijuz: they were too .. uhmm.. risky? :)
[11:05] <stvn> I put "the humans" back in the gdm screen
[11:05] <meff> i havent seen it.. can someone dcc me the jpg or something?
[11:06] <ijuz> meff: for the growing Iran market?
[11:06] <Aan2343> notice that none of the humans showed their mammary gland secreting part...
[11:06] <Aan2343> even the white guy
[11:07] <ijuz> fuzz?
[11:07] <meff> where is the jpg located?
[11:07] <stvn> but they look decent and as long as the threesome doesn't object I fail to see the harm
[11:07] <meff> stvn send it to me :)
[11:07] <Aan2343> who are the models?
[11:07] <stvn> ijuz: half of the anouncements on ubuntu were on the "humans" or the fuzz about them
[11:08] <Aan2343> penthoues should scout them out..
[11:08] <stvn> meff: it's in the default ubuntu, but hang on
[11:08] <Aan2343> Ubuntu International Trio.
[11:08] <meff> stvn: thanks :)
[11:08] <ijuz> stvn: i see... but don't get it
[11:09] <inklingx> ijuz: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-ubuntu-calendar-october
[11:09] <Aan2343> someone please kill me..this class is killing my brain cells.
[11:10] <DeadlyNightshade> Aan2343: what cvlass?
[11:10] <Aan2343> daedlynightshade... sort of...
[11:10] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/background.jpg is one
[11:10] <Aan2343> orientation for researching using some internet tools.
[11:10] <stvn> they are bloody spread over the system :(
[11:10] <lucas_> Hi, which package could I use to select easily between several network configurations ? like choose between home, school, laboratory, etc ...
[11:11] <meff> stvn: hmm.. is that a nipple i see? :O
[11:11] <Aan2343> meff, look closer... 
[11:12] <inklingx> lucas_: try Computer -> System Configuration -> Network and try to make different profiles
[11:12] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.jpg is the background image
[11:12] <stvn> meff: prolly
[11:13] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png even
[11:13] <lucas_> inklingx: thanks, will try that
[11:13] <meff> stvn: thx
[11:13] <meff> hmm stvn, firefox says "The image cannot be displayed, because it contains errors."
[11:14] <erndil> Hi
[11:14] <erndil> i have a problem with my resolution
[11:14] <stvn> meff: hm, which one?
[11:14] <meff> stvn: last url you just posted
[11:14] <Aan2343> enrndil, hmm.. resolution doesn't last three days after you make them, right?
[11:14] <erndil> the error message: about no support XRandR
[11:14] <snazbaz> is there a gdesklets package somewhere?
[11:15] <erndil> I can change my resolution
[11:15] <erndil> I can't change my resolution
[11:15] <erndil> sorry
[11:15] <Aan2343> :(
[11:15] <stvn> meff: odd, moment
[11:15] <erndil> X nosupport XRandR
[11:16] <Aan2343> damn you proff...
[11:16] <erndil> I'm a spanish user so sorry about my bad english
[11:16] <Aan2343> time ran out for about 10 minutes..
[11:16] <Aan2343> you wasting my precious life minutes.
[11:16] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot-1.png even
[11:16] <stvn> huh
[11:16] <Aan2343> well, me go home....
[11:17] <Aan2343> might check back later..
[11:17] <meff> stvn: http://rm-r.net/~meff/ubuntuss.jpg :)
[11:17] <Aan2343> but worn out.. take care people..
[11:17] <Remenic> hi, are there any Ubuntu users in here?
[11:17] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot-1.jpg if this doesn't work, well I don't know
[11:17] <meff> stvn: 404.. hehe
[11:18] <topyli> Remenic: no, we're redhat users
[11:18] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.jpg if this doesn't work, well I don't know
[11:18] <meff> stvn: ahh there we go
[11:18] <Remenic> topyli: ah well, nevermind them
[11:19] <meff> stvn: my ss looks boring cause theres no ubuntu models :( lol
[11:19] <topyli> omg he believed me
[11:19] <seraphim> help : i cant change user and groups. and the XFree86 conf file will not work like expectet.
[11:19] <meff> topyli: haha
[11:20] <stvn> meff: heh, btw does my ss look ok, it's kinda b0rked here :?
[11:20] <maze> hello
[11:20] <topyli> meff: i sure hope that's not your desktop
[11:20] <erndil> mmmh anyone can help me with my problem?
[11:20] <topyli> :)
[11:20] <topyli> not meff, stvn
[11:20] <meff> stvn: yep looks a bit corrupted but i can see most of it.. the last jpg you linked to is messed up too.. you sure that servers not sending corrupted data or something? :o
[11:20] <talon906> computer has integrated video and I also have a pci video card (ati radeon 7500)..  system will only work on integrated but would rather use the ati card..  can anyone explain how to make the change?
[11:21] <erndil> talon906 do you have ati drivers installed?
[11:21] <talon906> installation was done on the ati card but will not display anything until i switch over to the integrated. :(
[11:21] <talon906> probably not, this is my first distro
[11:21] <erndil> i don't know if this can help you but... try this
[11:22] <erndil> one moment
[11:22] <talon906> will ati have the linux drivers?
[11:22] <mair> I have a laptop with an "LT modem" but ubuntu doesn't recognize it.  Do I need a driver?
[11:22] <meff> mair: you try restricted drivers?
[11:23] <erndil> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:23] <talon906> i'm not showing they have a linux driver below the 8500..  maybe an alternate location will have it
[11:23] <defence22> my install fails at when it tries to mount the cdrom
[11:23] <talon906> erndil: thanks
[11:23] <erndil> not at all
[11:23] <stvn> meff: http://home.minst.net/~steven/screen.png
[11:23] <erndil> I hope that can help you
[11:24] <talon906> me too..  if not, I know where to come for further assistance..  :)
[11:24] <meff> stvn: that seems to be working well.
[11:24] <stvn> meff: scp does miracles
[11:24] <meff> stvn: yep.. :)
[11:25] <defence22> has anyone else had cd mounting problems?
[11:25] <stvn> it's odd ay\nyway since I used these ftp mounts in debian without problems
[11:26] <mair> meff, I guess the LT modem driver isn't compatible with the SL modem driver?
[11:27] <meff> anyone knowledgeable about bind9/ubuntu? i get a rndc error everytime i start it and it won't serve out my db files
[11:28] <meff> Oct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from 127.0.0.1#34611: bad auth
[11:29] <meff> tried rndc-confgen, no luck
[11:31] <topyli> stvn: i just took a screenshot and nautilus-ftp'd it to my site. it's corrupted all right
[11:32] <stvn> topyli: ah thanks, any idea if it's ubuntu only?
[11:32] <topyli> stvn: dunno. i only have ubuntu boxen these days :)
[11:32] <meff> looks like its time to file a bug stvn :)
[11:33] <sabdfl> Henri1: great job on the Win-FLOSS installer for the live cd, btw
[11:33] <stvn> topyli: heh
[11:33] <sabdfl> it looks really classy
[11:33] <Henri1> Thanks :)
[11:33] <stvn> topyli: I'll check with me debian gnome 2.8 box tomorrow, and file a bug report, thanks for testing
[11:33] <topyli> ok
[11:35] <Thoma1> hi@all
[11:36] <drkfiber> Just installed Ubuntu. I love it, I think I am going to move from Slackware, or buy another box and run both.
[11:37] <defence22> if only i could get mine installed
[11:38] <g3r4rd0> anyone installed mono in ubuntu??
[11:39] <topyli> sure. tomboy needs mono
[11:39] <drkfiber> I am running mono in ubuntu.
[11:40] <drkfiber> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/
[11:40] <magikfingerz> does mono comes in the original CD of ubuntu? or I need to download if from any repository... 
[11:40] <g3r4rd0> thks
[11:40] <topyli> magikfingerz: no mono on the cd
[11:41] <drkfiber> np. gotta go. later all.
[11:41] <magikfingerz> *sigh* sadly for me... I have a 56k modem... wel it will be a loong night... :p
[11:43] <mdz> magikfingerz: mono is part of the ubuntu universe
[11:45] <ukasz> Does anyone know how to change fonts in gtk1 apps? (mine are like 3pixel small)
[11:50] <mair> is there a precompiled lt_modem module that will work with ubuntu?  I've tried to compile version 8.31a2 and 8.32a8 to no avail.
[11:58] <j^> hi, are there plans to merge back the lsb (/lib/lsb/init-functions) patches to all the /etc/init.d/.. files?
[11:59] <djpig> Kamion: soory for disappaering earlier. Yes, I think that the style of the first paragraph fits into the page. Just go ahead