djpigKamion: you could probably add something about who's behind the project12:00
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stvndjpig: not sure if Kamion is still alive, might be better to /msg him this remarks12:03
yelowill ubuntu work on a K512:03
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yeloor, is it one of those i686-optimizied distros?12:03
stvnyelo: it works on a k612:03
yeloactually, it's a pmmx12:03
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ijuzyelo: it should work12:03
stvnyelo: how fast?12:04
yelostvn:before the K6 came the K5...amd's counterpart to the pentium - I forgot which proc it was, since I just swapped it out12:04
yelopmmx233mhz now12:04
djpigstvn: yeah, might make sense :)12:04
stvnyelo: should work, but it's quite slow to run gnome on it though12:04
MCAlexPHey guys.  I just installed ubuntu on a G4 PPC.  Everything went fine upon installing.  But now the X-server won't start.  Any thoughts?12:04
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yelostvn: it's got 128mb of ram, so it's actually pretty sprighty for it's age...12:05
talon906will ubuntu install on a via eden board?12:05
yeloran gnome 2.4 just fine w/slackware12:05
stvnMCAlexP: what videocard?12:05
MCAlexPit's an ATI Rage 128 MB12:05
stvnyelo: might work12:06
stvnyelo: the slowest computer I run debiangnoem or ubuntu on was a 400MHz and it works fast, so 233MHz might work12:07
stvnMCAlexP: check your X logs, but I don't have many ideas, rage cards should work IIRC12:07
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yeloMCAlexP:X log is at /var/log/XFree86.0.log...just in case you were  wondering12:08
MCAlexPLet me ask you something: if the mouse is not recognized for whatever reason, would that alone justify the X-sever not starting?12:09
yeloactually, nope12:09
stvnin debian yes12:09
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stvnMCAlexP: but you can force X to start without mouse12:09
MCAlexPcurrently I have one of these usb mice that plug into the keyboard.12:09
MCAlexPHow do I do that?12:09
yeloMCAlexP: it's just detected as a usb mouse12:09
yeloif you have it(unsure if debian does by default), use /dev/mice for mouse device12:10
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stvnMCAlexP: good question, I know it is halt on no pointer, but I don't know where, sorry12:11
MCAlexPstvn: you mean, you don't know how to start X without mouse support?12:12
stvnMCAlexP: indeed, but google will give the answer, i saw it many times, just never stored the information in my brain12:13
sukoshii've just installed ubuntu, and i need to know how to add sources to dselect12:13
stvnMCAlexP: it's a debian thing, so searching for debian related problems will give you the answer12:13
stvnsukoshi: forget dselect12:14
brettcarsukoshi: You can use Synaptic to add a repository12:14
yeloMCAlexP: before you try anything else, check if you have a /dev/mice file, by doing "ls -lh /dev/mice", if you do, use that, and your mouse should work first time around12:14
brettcarsukoshi: Or just add the line to /etc/apt/sources.list12:14
sukoshiwhat are the repositories?12:14
stvnsukoshi: use synaptic or aptitude but *forget* dselect12:14
jordisukoshi: have a look at synaptic12:14
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brettcarsukoshi: Depends, what do you need to add?12:14
sukoshithanks for the advice, i'm a gentoo user, with a little knowledge on debian12:14
stvnsukoshi: in synaptic there is one greyed out (universe) which will give you almost everything12:15
sukoshibrettcar : mplayer, vlc...12:15
MCAlexPthanks guys.  By the way, I did try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:15
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stvnsukoshi: check the ubuntu wiki, for RestrictedFormats and add multiverse12:15
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stvnMCAlexP: good luck12:16
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witigonenQuestion regarding dvd playback... I've got mplayer installed, which works great except that the size of the movie doesn't refresh with the size of the screen (fullscreen it's still only a kind of small picture), Xine which works but skips and drops frames at a horrible rate, and Totem, which doesn't work at all.  And my ATI drivers still aren't working.  12:16
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Pizbitwitigonen: Try with -noxv12:16
stvnsukoshi: most stuff is in universe, but mplayer, css and some other semi-legal stuff is in multiverse12:17
swimisthere anything other than rythym box that plays m3us ?12:17
witigonenPizbit, try which if you don't mind me asking?12:17
Pizbitwitigonen: For mplayer, if that doesn't work have a look at mplayer --vo help and then choose the video out12:17
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witigonenPizbit, mplayer/gmplayer doesn't know what -noxv does. I'll try -vo help.12:18
Pizbit-vo aa is fun:D:D12:18
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stvnwitigonen: use gmplayer and check if it uses Xv12:18
stvnPizbit: :D12:19
dablitz_can i get some help mounting a usb stick12:19
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stvnwitigonen: mplayer -vo dga -framedrop <movie> will do the trick12:19
stvnwitigonen: you just can't switch back to the desktop and you might run the risk that you have to watch the entire movie before you get controll of your computer12:20
witigonenstvn, couldn't initialize that, Pizbit, how can I chose the video out?12:20
witigonenI'm afraid this might be related to my not having proper working ATI drivers.12:20
stvnwitigonen: initialise what?12:20
witigonenMy available drivers for mplayer are: xv, x11, gl2, and xvidix12:21
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stvnwitigonen: hm my guess is that it is indeed due to lack of working ati drivers - not sure though12:22
dablitz_can i get some help mounting a usb stick, i have pictures on it i would like to get off of it12:22
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Bliksemis there any way to find out the IP addresses of all current internet connections being used by applications?12:23
skaris there a deb for mplayer or xine?12:23
meffBliksem: netstat, lsof, iptraf12:24
Pizbitwitigonen: Try each of those ones:)12:24
eddmdz: cute idea on the win apps on the livecd. very nice.12:25
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stvnskar: yes, check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats12:25
witigonenPizbit, X11 and gl2 are the only ones that work.  X11 is small and I think the display is weird, but I'm not positive.  gl2 is dropping frames like xine was (due to mesa, no doubt).12:25
Pizbitwitigonen: And xv?12:26
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witigonenLinux + AMD processor + nForce2 motherboard + ATI graphics card = no fun at all.12:26
witigonenPizbit, couldn't initialize it.12:26
mdzedd: by "cute", I presume you mean "insidious" :-)12:26
Pizbitwitigonen: It's mainly the ATI bit that's a pain12:26
stvnwitigonen: tried to install totem-xine and watch the movie with that?12:26
PizbitAMD + linux, no problems12:26
eddmdz: i meant smart and charming :)12:26
stvnwitigonen: since on my amd-400 I can watch movies with that, so if you fail it must be the videocard driver12:27
dablitz_got to run in a bit, reall could use soe help, i have to pull these pic off this usb stick12:27
dablitz_how do i mount12:27
mdzedd: I hope it turns out that way, yes :-)12:27
witigonenstvn, already installed, doesn't play any dvd.  It just goes into the dvd drive as if it were a data cdrom.12:27
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stvnwitigonen: did you install the css lib?12:27
eddmdz: i liked it, so i sent it to all the o'reilly editors :)12:27
mdzedd: cool!12:27
witigonenstvn, yes.12:27
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Bohhhhow is ubuntu different from debian? it's not clear from the homepage12:28
mdzedd: hopefully it should ensure that few of the pressed live CDs that go out become coasters12:28
stvnwitigonen: hm, it did work on other distros?12:28
wizzeis it advisable to use Ubuntu in a highly controlled environment such as High School class room.12:28
DespairBohhh: more polished installer, aimed at desktop more than servers.12:28
stvnBohhh: it's an uptodate debian-stable every 6 month with a reduced set of apps and architectures12:28
witigonenstvn, yes.  It was a nightmare getting ATI to work on Fedora 2 (it just kind of amazingly worked all of a sudden after a reboot) but... 12:28
Bohhhi hope it's stable12:29
stvnBohhh: as long as you like gnome, it kicks ass12:29
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Phr0stByteIf it makes anyone feel safer, Ubuntu is being used in the test labs of the US MInt (Department of Treasury) - I know because I am involved in the testing.12:30
stvnwitigonen: dunno really, was planning to buy an ati radeon, but hearing all the moaning and bitching I'm considering a nvidia, have no experience with anything above the rage12:31
ijuzPhr0stByte: how many possible installations?12:31
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witigonenstvn, I love my Radeon, and when it works it's amazing, but... yeah.  So freaking difficult.12:31
Phr0stByteijuz: possibly 50 or so12:31
Phr0stByteijuz: not all systems of course12:32
yelocan I safely use noatime on the root partition?12:32
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defence22any devs here?12:33
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Phr0stBytedefence22: of Ubuntu, you mean?12:37
azeemdefence22: just pose your question, and people might be able to help you12:37
defence22in the install process the installer is unable to mount the cdrom12:37
defence22ive had this prob in other distro 12:37
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stvndefence22: what kind of cd-drive?12:37
defence22but all it required was some kernel flag that i cant remember12:37
defence22its a older toshiba dvd12:37
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mairI would like to get the modem working on my toshiba 2100CDT laptop.  It's a Lucent Microelectronics 56k WinModem that will work with the lt_modem drivers, I think.12:37
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Bliksemhmm now to narrow down connections being used by a specific program?12:48
dommihow do I reset a password in my keyring12:48
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witigonenSo, to make sure that a module is loaded at boot or in a certain order, I just add it to /etc/modules, right?12:50
stvnnormally yes12:51
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skarhi, is ACPI suspend-to-ram(str) available in the latest kernel?12:53
Kamionstvn: s'ok, I read scrollback that mentions my name12:54
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Amroclamont, thank you for the dist12:56
lamontAmroc: cool.  Now see if it detects your wireless...12:56
skarstvn:thanks for the xine link, i got gxine up and running, btw is acpi str supported in linux?12:56
Amrocok, one second12:56
Amroci shall be back!12:56
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stvnKamion: ah ok, wasn't sure my scroll back stops at sometime ;)12:57
stvnskar: wouldn't know what acpi str is, so don't know12:57
Kamion  "fe-text" = { scrollback_hours = "72"; scrollback_lines = "1000"; };12:58
KamionI usually check IRC at least once every three days or 1000 lines ... :-)12:58
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witigonenI did it!  ATI drivers are working! WOO!12:59
Pizbitwitigonen: You must be a god:)\12:59
stvnwitigonen: how?12:59
witigonenWith a beautiful 2957 fps with glxgears.12:59
Pizbitwitigonen: I hate you:)12:59
stvnKamion: heh, too much programing for me ;)01:00
georgiawitigonen: x86 or ppc?01:00
PizbitKamion: Hrhr, I've set my scollback to 0, or infinite:)01:00
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KeknehvHi all01:00
witigonenIt was simple, really... I was just being very stupid.  I had to load my nVidia_agp driver before the fglrx driver and edit the XF86Config-4 file.  But, I thought I had done that long ago... only it was loading something called nvidia-agp instead of nvidia_agp.  D'oh!01:00
witigonengeorgia, x86.  AMD Athalon XP 3000+.01:01
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witigonenLet's see if Xine is any better.01:01
stvnwitigonen: you needed to load nvidia drivers for an agp card??01:01
Pizbitstvn: nforce01:02
witigonenstvn, my motherboard has nVidia's nForce2 stuf.f01:02
witigonenHm, Xine is still dropping lots and lots of frames... let's try gmplayer.01:02
Pizbitstvn: There is an nvagp module for some systems for their cards too, but they suggest agpgart or whatever it is though:)01:02
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witigonenIt looks like mplayer is playing it properly using direct rendering.01:03
skarstvn:is there any desktop calendar app, which lists the tasks done(or to be done) per day, while also showing the overall progress(like no.of tasks completed out of total tasks for that project) of a big project comprised of a no.of tasks?01:03
stvnskar: like evolution?01:04
cardadorskar: evolution does that01:04
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cardadorskar: evolution is integrated with the panel calendar01:04
sasshlo! I have a problem installing Ubuntu from the most recent ISO. I have a HP cd writer and the installer asks for a driver after choosing my language and country...01:04
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skarstvn:cardador:gr8, i've been looking for that for a long time, of course the first place i looked at was evolution-1.4, back then i guess it didn't had that feature :(01:05
stvnskar: evo 2 does have it01:05
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Niteriderquick question, i just added this multiverse to my apt sources list, what on it that i might need01:06
skarstvn:gr8, but do i need to install planner, or is it installed along with evo 2 itself?01:06
stvnNiterider: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats01:06
jasedit|laptopSo can anyone tell me how to tell if psmouse is compiled as part of the kernel or as a module?01:06
PizbitThis is the thing I want most from gnome2.8 http://gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/figures/figure-clock+calendar.png 01:06
stvnskar: planner is for other stuff, work hours registration, project planning01:07
sassnormally I'd just download the damn driver and go on, but it seems funny that the installer and 2.6.8 kernel boot normally from the cd and then says that it needs a driver for the cd-rom01:07
jasedit|laptopOr at least how Ubuntu has it set up, since I'm running stock Ubuntu right now?01:07
skarstvn:btw, i started installing ubuntu at 2 PM (IST) and i'm finished at 4:30AM (IST) approx just 14 hours to install, customize, migrate everything from good ol' gentoo, where compiling kde 3.3 itself took some 2 days :))01:08
Sannejasedit|laptop: I always look into /boot/config-<kernelversion>, at least on Debian (don't know if it's there in Ubuntu)01:08
skarstvn:ok, planner with evo 2 should be perfect01:08
cardadorwhat iso should it be downloaded for an amd athlon?01:08
Kamioncardador: what kind of athlon?01:09
cardadoramd athlon xp 2600 barthon01:09
Kamioncardador: i38601:10
cardadorhow come? isnt it amd?01:10
sassthe amd version is for the new 64-bit processors01:10
Kamionamd*64*, not just amd01:10
Kamionunless you have an AMD Athlon 64, you want i38601:10
skarstvn:ok, its getting late, hitting the sack, good nite to ya all :)01:11
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cardadorKamion: thank you, im helping a friend setting up ubuntu :)01:11
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stvnnight sk01:11
cardadorKamion: will try 386 then01:11
Niteriderthanks...found out what i needed to know01:11
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sassso nobody knows what's the deal with scsi emulated cd-roms and the installer?01:14
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sassok, I'll just swap drives then.. problem solved kind-of01:15
mairI'm getting weird cancellation errors when sending files in Gaim under a Jabber.org account.  Whether they click "accept" or "cancel" I get the message "other user cancelled the transfer".01:17
doleybI just tried to install ubuntu.  Couldn't get by the grub part.01:18
doleybThat's a horrible GUI, just a textfield with very little guidenace.01:18
Kamionit's not even supposed to appear01:18
Kamionwere you using expert mode or something?01:18
doleybI guess that meant there was already something very wrong.01:18
doleybNo, I just pushed enter through most of the prompts.01:19
Kamioncan you confirm that you got the "Device for boot loader installation:" prompt?01:19
Kamion The device can be specified using GRUB's "(hdn)" notation, or as a device01:19
Kamion in /dev. For example, "(hd0)" will install GRUB to the master boot record01:19
Kamion of your first hard drive, while "/dev/hda2" will install it to the second01:19
Kamion partition of your first IDE drive.01:19
doleybI tried several things: /dev/hda2, then /dev/scsi/lun0/disc0/part2...01:20
doleybthen /dev/sda2, /dev/sda, and finally hd0.01:20
doleybMy disk is sata.01:20
Kamiondid you get any grub questions before that?01:20
doleybAfter it copied the packages, it asked me where to install grub.  Only one question. Each time I put something in, it failed.01:21
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Kamiondoleyb: anything interesting on tty4 (alt-f4)?01:21
doleybSorry, didn't look there, and am rebooted now.01:22
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doleyb Is there a way I can try again, wtihout waiting for it to copy all packages again? (they should still be there from last time?)01:22
Kamionafraid not01:23
Kamionyou can boot with archive-copier/copy=false to save some time01:24
Kamion(but you'll need to reinsert the CD in the second stage, then)01:24
doleybToo complex for me.01:24
doleybAs a side note, the installer was also unable to work with my ethernet card.01:25
doleybDebian can't use it either, but knoppix and fedora can.  And debian can after I recompile the kernel.01:25
doleybThat problem is what stopped me from installing debian-amd64 earlier, because it needs network to get packages.01:25
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Kamiondoleyb: what Ethernet card?01:26
doleybAn ne2k-pci.  It identifies fine, and ifconfig shows it, but it never really sends data.01:27
meffhas anyone got bind9 to work? no matter what i try i get rndc errors..01:27
Kamionwhat do you do when recompiling the kernel that helps?01:27
doleybSarge prints an error message whenever you try to send data, woody and ubuntu it fails silently.01:27
stvnmeff: bind9 as in the dns server?01:28
doleybI don't know exactly.  I compile directly, instead of as module, but it doesn't make sense that would help.01:28
meffstvn: yup01:28
stvnmeff: ah ok, nope debian still serving dns01:28
Kamionbizarre, ne2k-pci is normally rock-solid reliable01:28
doleybYes, I complained to debian guys a year ago when i first noticed this, but they couldn't figure it out01:29
stvndoleyb: modprobing it doesn't help?01:29
doleybI have 5 separate ne2kpci cards, and 2 separate motherboards, and I've cycled thru all 10 combos, and they fail the same way.01:29
meffOct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from bad auth01:29
meffrndc-confgen doesnt help01:29
Kamionstvn: if ifconfig shows it it's going to be already loaded, hmm?01:29
doleybThe module installs successful, and ifconfig eth0 looks fine, but it simply doesn't work for sending packets.01:30
stvnKamion: oh, hm, missed that bit ;)01:30
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doleybOn sarge I get an error message continuosly: "ETH0 NETDEV WATCHDOG TIMED OUT"01:30
doleybYep.  I will be back in 60 minutes with the result of trying ubuntu-amd64 installery again.01:31
doleybIs ther anything else I should write down from watching it?01:31
doleyb(besides altf4)01:31
Kamionfor the grub thing, if you could copy /var/log/syslog somewhere that'd help01:31
Kamionthat's what's displayed on alt-f401:32
doleybok, cul8r01:32
Kamion(you could mount a floppy, mount a hard disk, nc, whatever works ...)01:32
KamionI won't be around in 60 minutes, back tomorrow01:32
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witigonenWhoah... xine's sound is acting really, really weird.01:33
witigonenIt's kind of staticy.  Anybody have any idea?  mplayer does it fine, but very quietly (and in general I just prefer xine), totem won't play any DVDs.01:33
stvnmeff: no interesting log entries?01:33
meffOct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from bad auth01:34
meff^^ stvn01:34
stvnwitigonen: totem wont? thats totem-xine?01:34
stvnmeff: ubuntu has all ports closed, dunno where , when or how, but it might be something to do with that?01:35
witigonenstvn, the default totem, Totem MOvie Player.  totem-xine is installed, though.01:35
meffstvn: i was considering that..01:35
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meffi cant find any information on it though01:35
stvnwitigonen: there's a difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer, dunno wich one totem is01:35
witigonenAlright, how can I run totem-xine?01:36
stvnmeff: I'm no ubuntu dev, so I dunno, talk to the devs01:36
LinuxJonesmeff, >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html#toc101:36
stvnwitigonen: if you install totem-xine, totem-gstreamer is removed, so totem should invoke totem-xine01:37
meffLinuxJones: i know hwo to setup bind.. i did this the same way on debian and it worked.. i dont know whats up w/ ubuntu01:37
witigonenstvn, okay.  How can I get it to play a DVD?  I go to play disk, it mounts it as a cdrom and starts browing it a la a data cd.01:37
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LinuxJonesmeff, sorry thought it was like your 1st time :)01:38
punkassif something has been complied... and the original folder still exists, is there a way that i can few the prefixes that were used in ./configure01:38
mirak_aer they doing something to the repositories???01:39
stvnwitigonen: there's a play disc entry in totem>>movie01:39
mirak_i havent changed anything.....i just did apt-get update...and it spit out some errors01:39
meffi guess i just pray that someone responds to my post on ubuntu-users :o01:39
witigonenstvn, that's what I choose.  And it just start browsing the CD>01:39
LinuxJonesmeff, maybe you could remove --purge the Ubuntu version and install it from the Debian repo.01:39
stvn? hm01:39
stvnwitigonen: dunno then, no dvd here to check, sorry01:40
TelepI've had the same problem as witigonen - no solution though to offer01:40
smowitigonen: The answer I got last night was to run "totem dvd:/" .. which appears to work01:40
mdzLinuxJones: ubuntu's bind9 is identical to debian's01:40
Telepoh right01:40
smoI'm still not sure how easiest to reach it from the gui however01:40
witigonensmo, so it does.01:41
LinuxJonesmdz, he is having problems with it under Ubuntu but not Debian for some reason.01:41
stvnlooks like a ubuntu problem01:41
stvnhaven't heared complaind on debian sarge's totem and dvds01:41
mirak_i get this error from synaptic "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" can anyone help?01:42
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smostvn: I believe the "Play Disc" item is very new upstream, replacing the previous "Play VCD", "Play DVD", etc.  I doubt it's reached debian yet, as I believe they're freezing on gnome 2.601:42
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meffLinuxJones, mdz: http://rm-r.net/~meff/bindnowork.jpg01:43
stvnsmo: could very well be, never noticed the play disc before01:43
meffsorry about jpg'ing it heh01:43
mdzmeff: I believe you, but it works fine for me01:43
stvnany devs around?01:43
mdzare you sure you deleted everything in /etc/bind?01:43
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meffmdz: yep moved it aside01:44
mdzmirak_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=146901:44
mdzSetting up bind9 (9.2.4-1) ...01:44
mdzAdding group bind (114)...01:44
mdzAdding system user bind...01:44
mdzAdding new user bind (107) with group bind.01:44
mdzNot creating home directory.01:44
mdzStarting domain name service: named.01:44
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mirak_mdz, thnx01:44
mdzmizar:[/tmp]  01:44
mdzmeff: fine here01:44
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mefftry restarting it01:45
meffthats where i get the error01:45
meffOct 21 18:45:41 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from bad auth01:46
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mdzmizar:[~]  sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart01:46
mdzStopping domain name service: named.01:46
mdzStarting domain name service: named.01:46
mdzmeff: no problems whatsoever01:46
mdzmeff: has anyone other than you been able to reproduce it?01:46
meffnow im really stumped.01:46
meffnot that i know of01:46
mdzmeff: what that error means is that the key file read by rndc was not the same as the key read by named01:47
meffi tried rndc-confgen -a01:47
meffand just manually copypasting01:47
nitinguys im having a hell of a time getting ubuntu to reconize my 9700 pro01:48
nitinit tells me im using a 9500 generic01:48
nitinhow do i fix it01:48
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treyh0wtf is a 9700 pro01:49
gotd0tgraphics card01:49
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nitinati 9700 pro01:49
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nitinman this sucks 01:50
nitincant believe this cant be fixed01:50
treyh0use xf86cfg01:50
nitinpiece of shit..01:50
nitini did01:50
gotd0twhats going on?01:50
nitinits not that01:50
meffmdz other than rndc.key is any rndc info located anywhere else? using grep -r on /etc its the only file i see a rndc declaration01:50
treyh0or edit the file manually?01:50
nitinits wayy more problems01:50
nitindude treyh0 is it n o t a config issue01:50
nitindriver issue01:51
nitinati has shit drivers01:51
gotd0tcan anybody help me? I'm using a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through a single USB port and I get mouse lag and sometimes skipping01:51
nitingotd0t, did u restart ubuntu after u plugged it in?01:51
treyh0gotd0t: i got that too when i used a wireless setup, but i just took it back to the store01:51
gotd0tnitin: oh I've been using it all along01:51
nitingotd0t, it sometimes gets way better after u restart01:51
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nitingotd0t, k01:51
treyh0like typing through dialup01:52
xskoulaxlol @ treyh001:52
nikanjHello. Does anyone know why Ubuntu fails to install on amd64?01:52
gotd0tnitin: yea... someone told me its a protocol error... but other than ImPS/2 and auto in the XF86Config it doesnt work01:52
nikanj"Unable to install the selected kernel" and I never got to select the kernel ;)01:52
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gotd0tdid you download the one for amd's?01:53
xskoulaxnikanj, you downloaded the right iso right?01:53
nikanjxskoulax: Yes, and the cd is ok (did the media-check on the custom-expert menu)01:53
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xskoulaxnikanj: i'm at a loss then, i'm running x86 boxen here01:54
mdzmeff: rndc.key should be it01:55
gotd0tSo does anybody know how I can fix the skipping and lag01:55
nikanj"Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Read error - read (5 Inuput/output error)01:55
gotd0tIt's def a software issues as I've used this same set in windows without any problems01:56
nikanjCan't believe a bug this critical got into the release01:56
nikanjgotd0t: Or you have broken hardware but the windows driver works around it01:56
gotd0tnikanj: that seems quite farfetched01:56
xskoulaxnikanj: i don't think its a bug, other people on this chan are using amd64 installs01:57
gotd0tDo you think it would make a difference if I switched em both to PS/201:57
gotd0t(Of course that would require me to find a USB-PS/2 adapter01:57
xskoulaxnikanj: i would guess its something specific to your setup01:58
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nikanjgotd0t: It's actually pretty common, for example my laptop has so buggy bios that I must disable acpi completely to install linux01:58
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gotd0tmy kid sister as an obession with green things... and it just so happens that my PS/2 adapter was green01:58
gotd0tso im assuming thats where mine went01:59
nikanjxskoulax: Hm, I wonder what it could be. The media is fine and the installer gets all the other files ok01:59
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jgeorgesonanyone using k3b?01:59
xskoulaxnikanj: i wish i could remember the nicks of the people who were talking about amd64 installs yesterday so i could get their attention01:59
xskoulaxthey would be in a better position to help, than a n00b running with a x86 boxen ;)02:00
adrianmjgeorgeson: a little, but not on ubuntu (yet).  What's up?02:00
xskoulaxgnight stvn02:00
jgeorgesonadrianm: it doesn't see my burner when running with root privs. I've run k3bsetup as root to specify a group which I am a member of, no success02:01
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adrianmjgeorgeson: does anything else see your burner?  During bootup, do you see any messages about it?02:03
nikanjcdrecord --scanbus?02:03
jgeorgesonadrianm: the nautilus burn:// interface lists it in the Write CD dialog02:04
gotd0tso nobody has any clue about my mouse lag?02:05
FourdSwissCheeseHi all.  Linux newbie here.  Having trouble installing.  I get through the first stage of the install fine, but when I reboot, it gets stuck on "setting the system clock using Hardware clock as reference".  Suggestions?02:05
gotd0tmaybe you don't have a hardware clock02:06
Dekkardcmos battery?02:07
jgeorgesonnikanj: "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." is the only thing that gets my attention02:07
gotd0tthats what i was thinkin02:07
gotd0tthe battery might be dead02:07
FourdSwissCheeseDekkard: clock works fine in windows02:07
FourdSwissCheeseand knoppix02:07
Dekkardsorry..just an idea02:07
gotd0twell windows already has a clock02:07
gotd0ti mean02:08
RamsedHi, is there some place (mailing-list,webpage) where the default choice of packages was (or still is) discussed ? (why both thunderbird and evolution, xmms instead of rhythmbox etc.) ?02:08
gotd0tits already configured...02:08
gotd0tand fourd, windows periodically updates the clock from some internet site02:08
FourdSwissCheeseahh, ok.  didn't know that02:08
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DespairI found it kind of odd that ubuntu installs twisted framework by default02:09
gotd0tyea... so i would just try replacing the battery02:09
Telephmm, running a dvd with totem-xine makes the cpu scream... is there some way to enable hardware acceleration or something?02:09
TelepI also don't seem to be getting any sound :/02:10
xskoulaxFourdSwissCheese: try booting your knoppix cd, i would imagine you would have similar problems there if it is indeed your cmos battery02:10
Telepfor dvd's, that is02:10
FourdSwissCheesexskoulax"  knoppix works fine.  clock is accurate02:10
jgeorgesonTelep: check the sound levels with the Volume Control02:11
gotd0tthats odd then02:11
xskoulaxwhen did you boot knoppix last?02:11
Telepjgeorgeson: which one of those effects xine? sound works fine otherwise02:11
xskoulaxunless your battery died between boots, i imagine the battery is fine then02:11
witigonenSo strange!I keep getting the erorr in xine that my system is too slow and it's throwing out too many frames.  The dvd is jumping.02:12
FourdSwissCheesewell, I'll try knoppix again...02:12
gotd0tBTW, how do you set up time synch in ubuntu02:13
Telepwitigonen: have you tried mplayer? Do dvd's run fine with that?02:13
jgeorgesonTelep: I would guess CD02:13
KeknehvHi, I'm having trouble with Warty i386 RC compiled on 10/12/0402:13
KeknehvWhen I attempt to boot, it gets to a black screen eventually02:14
witigonenTelep, they do, but the volume is too quiet for my tastes.02:14
Telepwitigonen: ok02:14
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witigonenTelep, Totem has a strange line that keeps flickering on the bottom, that's why I'm not using it and using xine.02:14
KeknehvDuring install, it said it couldn't load something along the lines of an Intel Graphics Bridge02:15
KeknehvHow can I fix this?02:15
Keknehv(I'm currently running a live cd of ubuntu)02:15
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jgeorgesonwitigonen: if you install totem-xine it will use the xine backend with the totem UI02:16
witigonenTelep, actually, now that I'm looking at it, totem is skipping the same amount- which would explain what jgeorgeson just said, I guess :)02:16
jgeorgesonKeknehv: sounds like it couldn't find a driver for some of you motherboard chipsets02:16
jgeorgesonwitigonen: totem-xine isn't installed by default, and i think you might have to enable universe, at least, to get it02:17
KeknehvI'm running a PCI nvidia card...02:17
witigonenjgeorgeson, not only have I enabled universe, but I also installed totem-xine :)02:17
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Keknehvshould I just wait to get the release from a friend?02:17
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jgeorgesonKeknehv: the Intel Graphics Bridge is a chip on your motherboard. do you know what chipset your motherboard uses?02:18
KeknehvI think it's i81002:19
jgeorgesondo you have a dell laptop?02:19
KeknehvIt's an old hp pavilion XE783 (~700mhz, 80gig hard drive)02:19
jgeorgesonyou said you're currently running off the live d?02:20
KeknehvAnd this one works02:20
jgeorgesonand you have full resolution capabilities?02:20
KeknehvBut this is a final release, I installed it off a release candidate02:20
jgeorgesontry installing the final then02:20
KeknehvOpenGl works, although not as fast as when the right driver is loaded.02:20
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KeknehvI guess I'll just have to wait for that cd... anyways, thanks!02:21
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jgeorgesonmy laptop has an i830, so i know that it is supported. but i installed with an RC a while back02:21
KeknehvWhat the heck?02:22
jgeorgesonwoah, i'm guessing zelazny just went down02:22
KeknehvThat was... a couple people...02:22
jgeorgesonanyone more suggestions for k3b not seeing the cdrw?02:22
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gotd0tanybody have any ideas about my mouse skipping02:24
Keknehvcheck the mouseball02:24
KeknehvMine had a weird rubber circle on it, and it skipped...02:24
gotd0tim appalled02:24
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gotd0tsorry... i haven't used a mouse with a ball in it in a LONG time02:26
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RageMaxcan someone point me to where I can get a xine package?02:26
clochejmdoes anyone know if there are any issues with DNS resolution in Ubuntu?02:27
gotd0tsomeone was talking about xine a few minutes ago02:27
flash^gotd0t, what do you need?02:27
KeknehvI would use an optical but hey, this is what I have.02:27
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ctalkephi to all02:28
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gotd0tflash^: well I have a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through one USB port, and the mouse teds to lag and skip02:28
RageMaxthe xine libraries are in the repository, but not xine itself02:28
tseng"xine itself" ?02:28
flash^gotd0t, you got logitech stuff? MX Series?02:28
ctalkepi have a stupid question to ask02:28
tsengxine is a library.02:28
jgeorgesonRageMax: you mean xineui?02:28
flash^ctalkep, ask02:28
clochejmanyone with internet problems?02:28
gotd0tflash^: no... microsoft elite or something like that02:29
ctalkepi just installed ubuntu and i am seriously impressed02:29
flash^clochejm, they are easy to solve.. what connection do you have?02:29
clochejmflash^, I have a cable connection02:29
ctalkepand of course i am a total newbie02:29
clochejmflash^, through Road Runner02:29
flash^gotd0t, does the mouse work fine on windows?02:29
clochejmflash^, business class02:29
ctalkepnewbie to debian style it is02:29
flash^flash^, is it dialup, with username&password or dhcp or what?02:29
gotd0tflash^, yea... i used to use the logitecs but i went through two sets and they both broke on me02:30
Keknehvd-d-id you say... MICROSCOTCH?02:30
ctalkephow do i find what packages i can install through apt-get?02:30
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flash^clochejm, is it when you boot your pc the connection starts?02:30
RageMaxactually totem-xine would be ideal, but I can't find it02:30
flash^ctalkep, apt-cache search "nameofthepackageyouneed"02:30
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clochejmflash^, it's DHCP... on a cable modem02:30
clochejmit's always on02:30
flash^clochejm, ok02:30
flash^clochejm, it's easy02:30
flash^clochejm, I have the same02:30
clochejmflash^, nice02:30
flash^clochejm, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces02:30
jgeorgesonRageMax: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list, or in synaptic if you prefer GUI02:31
ctalkepi meant like if i did not know what packages there are to be installed02:31
jgeorgesonctalkep: use synaptic02:31
ctalkeplike a way to see what i can get02:31
gotd0tflash^, my mouse works fine in windows... no lag or anything02:31
clochejmflash^, done02:31
flash^clochejm, add these two lines: "auto eth0 " then press enter and add "iface eth0 inet dhcp"02:31
ctalkepis it included in the distro or do i have to google for it?02:31
jgeorgesongotd0t: have you adjusted the speed/sensitivity in Desktop Preferences?02:31
jgeorgesonctalkep: should be02:31
flash^clochejm, just like the auto lo and iface lo inet loopback02:31
flash^clochejm, then save and exit & reboot02:32
jgeorgesonComputer->System Configuration->Synaptic02:32
clochejmflash^, it's already like that02:32
gotd0tjgeorg, nah... its not that... because it randomly jumps to the top or bottom fo the screens02:32
flash^clochejm, so, what's the problem.. ?02:32
flash^clochejm, I guess it is your network card02:32
clochejmflash^, I think it has to be DNS problems02:32
RageMaxjgeorgeson: thanks02:32
flash^clochejm, no dns problems on dhcp02:32
gotd0tclochejm: or your modem...02:32
clochejmflash^, once a download gets going...it's 400K02:32
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jgeorgesonRageMax: np02:33
flash^clochejm, so the connection actually DOES work ?02:33
clochejmflash^, but it takes a long time for it to find a site02:33
flash^flash^, oh, ok.. that's a problem of the provider02:33
gotd0tclochejm: is it a particular site... or every site?02:33
jgeorgesonclochejm: cat /etc/resolv.conf02:33
clochejmflash^, yes...I'm on it right now... but it takes a literal 2 minutes from when I hit enter02:33
flash^flash^, you get the same dns on windows or linux02:33
flash^oh man02:33
flash^clochejm, just look if you are maybe updating something02:34
clochejmjgeorgeson, I already have it open... it has the same dns entries as windows does (windows works fine)02:34
flash^clochejm, or some daemon interacting with the outside..02:34
clochejmjgeorgeson, it's very strange behavior02:34
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jgeorgesonclochejm: so if you run 'host www.yahoo.dns' does it take longer to get a result than 'nslookup www.yahoo.com' in windows?02:35
clochejmI'll try running the host command...I'd have to restart to get to windows...02:35
xyz359Urm, does anyone here use Totem-Xine?02:35
jgeorgesonxyz359: yes02:35
flash`xyz359, I use both02:35
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xyz359I get this irritating blue blinking effect on the bottom of the video window whenever I make it too large.02:36
ctalkep10x a lot guys02:36
ctalkepit works02:36
jgeorgesonctalkep: np02:36
flash\\studyjgeorgeson, are you on the ubuntu devel team ?02:36
clochejmjgeorgeson, it actually returns the address pretty quickly02:36
xyz359At least, with ffmpeg.02:36
jgeorgesonflash\\study: nope02:36
clochejmjgeorgeson, a site takes 20 times to start loading than it took to return the ips02:37
ctalkepmay i ask another one?02:37
jgeorgesonclochejm: so dns seems to be working fine. what browser are you using?02:37
jgeorgesonctalkep: of course02:37
flash\\studyctalkep, yep02:37
ctalkepi have two ntfs partitions02:37
jgeorgesonclochejm: hm ...02:37
ctalkepon SATA drives02:37
ctalkephow do i get to mount them on boot time?02:37
clochejmjgeorgeson, I"m trying in mozilla... same result02:37
gotd0tctalkep you have to edit /etc/fstab02:38
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clochejmjgeorgeson, I hit enter on www.google.com 20 seconds ago and it's still staying "resolving..."02:38
xyz359jgeorgeson, do you get anything like that with videos?02:38
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clochejmjgeorgeson, is there another layer?02:38
taviguycan anyone help me getting my radeon mobility 9600 working under ubuntu02:38
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malaptopquestion - i may be having to rip out a hard drive with ubuntu installed and shift it over to another intel box. is there anything i can do to have ubuntu configure itself for the new hardware, other than reinstall?02:39
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jgeorgesonxyz359: i have seen it from time to time with various files and various players02:39
meffhiya, well.. i got bind running by rebooting, though now gnome won't start.. sigh.02:39
xyz359jgeorgeson, is there anyway to resolve it?02:39
bern`I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to run X, I get a fatal signal error caught signal 1102:40
calcmalaptop: afaik it should detect everything except maybe the x config, which can be done via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:40
jgeorgesonclochejm: not that i'm a aware of. do you have a proxy configured in firefox? do you only get this lag in firefox?02:40
calcbern`: which arch?02:40
clochejmjgeorgeson, it's the same in mozilla02:40
jgeorgesonxyz359: never tried, i just resize to get rid of it or ignore it. it never looks more than a pixel tall02:40
bern`calc: amd6402:40
jgeorgesonclochejm: well, they both use the gecko engine, so that might not be a good comparison02:41
calcbern`: the loader is broken, use xserver-xfree86-dbg02:41
clochejmjgeorgeson, that's what I was thinking...02:41
jgeorgesonclochejm: what about lynx/elinks/links, ftp, etc02:41
calcbern`: will likely be fixed in hoary, since it should be using xorg by then02:41
meffi just recently install bind.. my computer is no longer 'localhost' but now 'ghreen' because of my bind9 tables, but now it seems gnome won't start, and im wondering if installing bind caused this.. is there any way i can diagnose this?02:41
clochejmjgeorgeson, I'll give links a try quiclk02:41
bern`calc: how do I go about using dbg instead of the norm02:41
calcbern`: apt-get install xserver-xfree86-dbg02:41
sgtchubbyCan someone help me with a minor problem? I can mount my windows-partition (XP, FAT32) but Nautilus doesn't reckognize the files, and the filesystem(?) seems locked02:42
bern`calc: just tried that and it didn't work02:42
calcbern`: have to be root or sudo to install it02:42
meffI get a little window that says "gnome lasted less than 10 seconds" ... the log doesnt have anything except a warning in it..02:42
bern`calc: and do I need to remove a package first before I get it on02:42
bern`calc: yes I'm root already02:42
calcbern`: no need to remove anything02:42
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clochejmjgeorgeson, well..the package manager takes a while to start as well02:43
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mystichow the heck to I set up CUPS02:43
calcbern`: it couldn't find the package or what?02:43
mystici go to localhost:631 and it asks for the root password... too mad ubuntu is wierd about passwords and it doesn't work02:43
clochejmjgeorgeson, elinks took a while "looking up host"02:43
bern`calc: ok it's installing now02:43
bern`calc: ok that worked02:44
LinuxJonesmeff, I had the same problem. you have to remove the .ICEauthority file and re-create in root console then chown username:username .ICEauthority02:44
mystichow the heck do you print in ubuntu02:44
bern`calc: you're a godsent I've had people giving me the run around all day02:45
clochejmjgeorgeson, firefox is set to direct connection02:45
mysticretarded root system02:45
LinuxJonesmystic, Computer >> system config >> printing02:45
calcbern`: ran into that same exact problem with ubuntu on my amd64 laptop :)02:45
xskoulaxmystic: have you came here to complain or seek help?02:45
brettcarmystic: Are you having a problem with CUPS, or the graphical utility used to configure it?02:45
mysticI am accustmed to going to localhost:63102:46
mysticubuntu rejects my root login02:46
brettcarmystic: You have a root login?02:46
mystici don't02:46
brettcarDid you explicitly set a root password?02:46
gotd0t-awaysgtchubby: you're having trouble mounting an NTFS partition?02:46
brettcarSo then you do have a root login?02:46
bern`calc: well thank you very very much02:46
mysticit's ok i'll use the gnome wizard02:47
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jgeorgesonclochejm: hm, i'm kinda stumped02:47
bern`calc: now I have to go about getting my wireless setup02:47
brettcarmystic: The cups log file in /var/log, whats it say?02:47
calcbern`: which chipset is it?02:47
clochejmjgeorgeson, yeah...me too...this is very strange... I've never had problems with other distros02:47
jgeorgesonbern`: Computer->System Configuration->Networking02:47
mysticbrettcar: it says that PAM went to hell02:48
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mysticwhatever I'll just use gnome-cups-manager02:48
brettcarmystic: Okay, I don't have my Ubuntu machine running right now so I can't check. I don't run with a root user myself.02:48
bern`calc: Its an onboard G card I'm bout to go find out what chipset it is02:48
mysticmeh it's alright02:48
mysticim ok now02:48
brettcarmystic: Can you access CUPS with an admin account?02:48
calcbern`: probably a broadshit02:48
brettcarFile a bug.02:48
calcbern`: lspci should tell you02:49
bern`calc: wouldn't be surprised, but I got an orinoco gold b card just incase02:49
brettcarThe ACL's should allow it one way or another I feel.02:49
brettcarmystic: If you could include a patch changing the default cups config file to include the appropriate group or however you might accomplish it, thats great too.02:49
calcbern`: mine is broadcom as well, so in a couple weeks i will be replacing it with an intel 2915abg minipci card02:49
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doleybKamion: are you still here?02:50
angadHey everyone.  I have a vfat partition mounted under /windows but I can only access it as root.  How can I change that so that normal users can access it?02:51
gotd0tsgtchubby: you there?02:51
brettcarangad: Did you set it up in /etc/fstab at all?02:51
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bern`calc: well I'm reinstalling ubuntu now, the partition was littered with all the crap I tried to do to get it working, so I'm not I'm installing with factory settings02:51
angadNo, haven't even looked at it.  What should I do?02:51
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mysticbrettcar: I think it's working now02:51
meffok got gnome to work again.. had to remove .ICEauthority in my homedir cause my hostname changed.. maybe this should be faq'd :o02:51
brettcarangad: Take a look at the format of /etc/fstab and add the appropriate line for your mount point02:52
mysticthe whole idea of not using a root account seems convulted02:52
doleybangad: as root, edit /etc/fstab and add a line for that drive02:52
brettcarangad: In the options section, just add 'user'02:52
brettcarmystic: Cool02:52
|trey|mystic: ? Apple seems to think its a good idea too  :/02:52
angadGreat.  Thanks.  Will it just be changed when I reboot or can I just unmount and remount the partition?02:52
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doleybangad: umount it as root, then mount it as someone else02:53
brettcarangad: You can unmount and remount02:53
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brettcarangad: In fact you can just do `mount /mount/point/directory`02:53
|trey|mystic: ps, apparently convulted isn't a word  :/02:53
brettcarangad: You won't have to type it all out02:53
angadGreat.  Thanks.02:53
mystichaha my mistake02:53
brettcarangad: If you add the 'auto' option, it'll automatically mount on boot up too02:53
angadCool.  thanks.02:53
gotd0tbrett, that isnt really neccesary...02:53
brettcarbut isn't it? ;P02:54
gotd0ti mean it doesnt hurt... but i dont believe its needed02:54
brettcarIts not needed, but helpful02:55
gotd0tWell, I dont have auto in there and it still mounts on reboot02:55
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brettcarHm. Interesting then.02:56
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cef_workanyone set up ubuntu on a dual opteron? any caveats?02:58
FourdSwissCheesegotd0t:  Clock still works in knoppix.  Definately not a CMOS problem.02:59
meffmdz: reboot fixed it.. perhaps a temporary file problem? ah well.. thanks for the testing on your side02:59
gotd0tfourd: thats interesting... no clue then02:59
FourdSwissCheeseahh well03:00
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GoloHi, i was wondering can i add a new user with the same sudo powers as the first user?03:03
brettcarGolo: Yes, if you are comfortable editing the text file03:04
bluefoxicyhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda says that "The next meeting of the Community Council will take place on Tuesday 12 October 2004, at 16:00 UTC, in the #ubuntu-meeting channel on irc.freenode.net."  This is old news, should it be archived somewhere?03:04
brettcarGolo: Just type `sudo visudo` and see if you can figure it out.03:04
RuffianSoldierwhere do i untar these enlightenment themes to?03:04
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TheMusoGolo: You can simply use the command sudo adduser I think.03:05
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Golookay i'll try 03:05
TheMusobluefoxicy: Very likely, but I think it would be best to let the devs know about it.03:05
brettcarTheMuso: I don't think adduser automatically gives anyone sudo powers03:05
TheMusoAh sorry. Missread.03:06
bluefoxicyalright, what about the agenda for the next meeting03:07
bluefoxicy "Discussion of ProactiveSecurity" particularly03:07
tsengbluefoxicy: is that on the list?03:08
bluefoxicythere's some cruft on there about it possibly being a matter for the technical board, and a response I made03:08
Golobrettcar, i cant seem to be able to modify it03:08
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bluefoxicyI would like to resolve where this belongs so that said comments can be cleared off to unclutter the page (or archived elsewhere, depending on protocol)03:08
tsengah nice blue03:08
bluefoxicytseng: It was my recommendation for the next meeting03:08
brettcarGolo: Is it the text editor that is giving you problems?03:08
bluefoxicyand while we're on it, during said discussion it may be interesting to form a SecurityTeam for ProactiveSecurity if the council decides to pursue it; would a "Possible formation of the SecurityTeam" be appropriate, or should no mention be made?03:09
tsengthere is a security team03:09
tsengin the interest in closing vulnerabilities03:10
brettcarGolo: EDITOR=nano sudo visudo03:10
Golobrettcar, i figured how to modify it, ut i am not sure what to type03:10
brettcarGolo: See if that editor is easier03:10
bluefoxicytseng:  ok, so a subteam?03:10
bluefoxicytseng:  SecurityEnhancementTeam?  :P03:10
tsengi guess..03:10
bluefoxicy(a bit garish)03:10
tsengthe way I look at it03:10
brettcarGolo: Something like this03:10
tsengi dont want it to be distributed by ubuntu, pax and all that03:10
brettcarGolo: username   ALL=(ALL) ALL03:10
tsengi just want it to be easy for you and I to use it if we'd like03:10
brettcarGolo: Where username is the new user's username03:10
tsengthat means compatible glibc03:11
Golothanks a lot03:11
brettcarNo problem03:11
brettcarHave fun with Ubuntu!03:11
tsengpossibly gcc, even pre PIE/SSP for daemons03:11
bluefoxicytseng:  Unfortunately stack smash protection and PIE would not be possible without recompilation, ne?03:11
tsengbluefoxicy: i just said03:11
tsengpossibly build popular daemon packages with them03:11
bluefoxicytseng:  My goals are clearly different :)03:12
tsengyour goals are clearly out of scope :)03:12
bluefoxicyremember that things like zlib, mozilla, and gaim are vulnerable to buffer overflows03:12
bluefoxicylibpng exploits too03:12
tsengbluefoxicy: and hopefully behind a firewall03:12
brettcarI'm wondering if we're going to need #ubuntu-devel soon ;)03:12
cef_workanyone done an install of ubuntu amd64 on a dual opteron?03:12
brettcar/whois Kamion 03:12
bluefoxicyall places where SSP would be a "good idea" in my mind.03:12
brettcar/whois Kamion 03:12
bluefoxicytseng:  uh?03:12
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bluefoxicytseng:  Since when is loading up a malicious page with a libpng exploit protected from by a firewall? :)03:13
bluefoxicyFirewall can't block port 80, not if you want to browse the net.03:13
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tsengim less paranoid about the desktop end03:13
bluefoxicytseng:  I'm more paranoid on the desktop end.03:13
tsengcrash my mozilla for all I care03:13
ultrafunkcef_work: doing one on a single opteron at the moment, why?03:13
brettcarbluefoxicy: They can force you to use a proxy and the proxy can filter for the attack though03:13
bluefoxicyI hate shit like Sasser and MSBlast that spread like hell03:14
sgtchubbygotd0t, Thanks. It's not an ntfs-partition but FAT32.03:14
cef_workultrafunk: cos I have a dual one here. just creating an iso at the moment *grin*03:14
bluefoxicytseng:  it's not crashing mozilla that's the problem, it's injecting foreign code via malformed HTML and PNG images03:14
cef_workultrafunk: btw: hi03:14
calchmm i only have gotten 650MB of viruses so far this month, maybe some of the new m$ patches are actually working03:14
bluefoxicybrettcar:  do you have one there?03:14
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bluefoxicybrettcar:  what about unknown attacks? :)03:14
ultrafunkcef_work: how many NICs does the box have?03:15
brettcarbluefoxicy: No but my workplace did03:15
cef_workultrafunk: 303:15
maruko-workhi all03:15
ultrafunkcef_work: hi, btw :)03:15
cef_workultrafunk: all onboard03:15
brettcarbluefoxicy: How can patches protect from unknown attacks anyways?03:15
maruko-workhow do I get root access in ubuntu?03:15
ultrafunkcef_work: Intel based ones?03:15
Telepmaruko-work: sudo -s03:15
brettcarmaruko-work: sudo command03:15
brettcarmaruko-work: Or sudo -s03:15
Telepor just sudo03:15
bluefoxicybrettcar:  [buffer] [__guard]  damage the __guard and the program terminates before the payload is dropped03:15
brettcarTelep: You owe me a coke ;)03:15
bluefoxicybrettcar:  normal operation won't overflow a buffer, or shouldn't.03:16
brettcarbluefoxicy: Some times thats just as bad03:16
bluefoxicybrettcar:  only in defined cases03:16
cef_workultrafunk: onboard whatever ships on the tyan serverworks boards.. so I'm pretty sure it's intel's.. 2 x GigE, 1 x 10/10003:16
brettcarbluefoxicy: Well if you can convince someone to refactor all their code for it ;)03:16
yelook, I just got ubuntu installed on my pmmx233...03:16
yelorebooted, and it gives this error:03:17
bluefoxicybrettcar:  and in such cases, do you think a general purpose distribution would be deployed on such a system?  Such a system would be a critical enterprise server with a need for service guarantee.03:17
yelogrub loading....error 1803:17
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yeloany reason why that would be?03:17
ultrafunkcef_work: i've got some e1000 patches you might want to grab that, when I was running the same box with preview, latency was a killer.03:17
bluefoxicyif I could inject code, I could down the program if I wanted.03:17
cef_workultrafunk: new office server. thought I'd try ubuntu on it.. *grin*03:17
cef_workultrafunk: will definitely keep that in mind03:17
yelolet the partitioner default, as I did with all other options...03:17
brettcarbluefoxicy: This is highly hypothetical, despite its real life truths and applications :P03:18
bluefoxicybrettcar:  yes, yes very hypothetical03:18
ultrafunkcef_work: although, i'd say the same issues will apply to final, given all the patches cleanly apply without offset to :(03:18
bluefoxicybrettcar:  but trulthfully, if you're distribution is intended for general use, it's most likely not going to be put onto a highly specialized production server.  :)03:18
brettcarbluefoxicy: But hypothetically... ;)03:19
bluefoxicybypothetically you have a PHB03:19
bluefoxicy"There used to be this DOS thing that was cool, let's run apache from that!"03:19
brettcarHold on, I'm feeling random...03:19
brettcarsh: line 1: fortune: command not found03:20
brettcarAuthors (and perhaps columnists) eventually rise to the top of whatever03:20
brettcardepths they were once able to plumb.03:20
brettcar-- Stanley Kaufman03:20
brettcarI feel much better now.03:20
meff"They use IIS so why not us?"03:20
Keknehvwhat's the command to mount a floppy in bash? (given the desired mount directory as /mnt/floppy)03:20
brettcarThat was strangely apropos, in an irrelevant way.03:21
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brettcarSecretly I am convinced fortune reads my mind :P03:21
brettcarLets do another.03:21
brettcarThere's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking03:21
brettcar-- John von Neumann03:21
brettcarOkay I'm done. No more spam.03:21
jimmy_deanhmm, I'm running on a pretty much brand new Ubuntu install and I can't seem to make ./configure happy with my gcc...it says gcc doesn't pass the sanity test...any thoughts on what I need to do to fix this?03:21
meffwhats next. /exec -o figlet 0WNz3D03:22
brettcarjimmy_dean: apt-get install build-essential03:22
brettcarmeff: Nah, figlet ain't free software ;)03:22
jimmy_deanbrettcar: ok, I'll try that...thanks03:22
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brettcarjimmy_dean: You make great sausages03:22
brettcarjimmy_dean: Thanks.03:22
jimmy_deanthanks :)03:23
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brettcarI shouldn't IRC drunk.03:23
cef_workbrettcar: not always a good idea03:23
brettcarAh but the memories!03:23
bluefoxicybrettcar:  have you seen http://lwn.net/Articles/106214/ btw?  *shameless plug*03:23
cef_workbrettcar: you never know what packages you'll adopt in that state03:23
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bluefoxicyas well as http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity and half a dozen other things :P03:24
brettcarbluefoxicy: I just confessed my drunkenness and now you expect me to read all that ;)03:24
meffbrettcar: soon we'll have niglet, the nano of figlet :P03:24
bluefoxicybrettcar:  it's short03:24
jimmy_deanthanks brettcar, I'm new to a debian based distro :)03:24
LinuxJonesbrettcar, I coded an ftp client mostly while loaded, was not good :D03:24
bluefoxicythere's 5 times more comments posted than there is article.03:24
brettcarmeff: damn you're terrible :P03:24
brettcarjimmy_dean: You're welcome, enjoy Ubuntu!03:24
cef_workbrettcar: "oh my god I was so drunk I ended up putting up my hand for packaging KDE".... see.. it could be real bad!03:24
jimmy_deanoh I am :)03:24
jimmy_deanbrettcar: how about missing python headers, any idea what package that is? :)03:25
brettcarjimmy_dean: apt-cache search python03:25
brettcarTake your pick ;)03:25
cef_workbrettcar: in fact, I'm pretty sure that's how daniels got involved with KDE, and X03:25
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brettcarthats an awesome strategy for world domination.03:25
brettcarget everyone drunk and let them take the hard jobs.03:26
brettcarthen savor your sober victory.03:26
meffbush "oh my god im so high on cocaine lets attack iraq"03:26
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brettcarthat deserves another fortune03:26
brettcarPolitical history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to03:26
brettcarteach children.03:26
brettcar-- W.H. Auden03:26
brettcarWow, how apt again!03:26
ctalkephi again03:26
ctalkepone more question ?03:26
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brettcarI swear, it is reading my mind :P03:26
cef_workbrettcar: well it's how i ended up with my name in the linux kernel... got Rusty drunk at a charity T-shirt auction.. and he then promised to put the name of whoever won the auction's name into the kernel if the bid went over $100003:27
brettcarcef_work: whats the specific credit line say?03:28
brettcarcef_work: Big Spender - cef?03:28
Keknehvyou think FORTUNE is reading your mind? try this! http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/03:29
brettcari swear you are all trying to cause my brain to explode03:30
ctalkepanyone willing to answer a weird question?03:30
brettcarwith all this reading while drunk :P03:30
KeknehvNo, really, wasn't that random?03:31
brettcarrandom enough for another fortune!03:31
brettcarJoin in the new game that's sweeping the country.  It's called "Bureaucracy".03:31
brettcarEverybody stands in a circle.  The first person to do anything loses.03:31
brettcarwow i bet that would be tons of fun!03:31
brettcarI've successfully alienated all 258 other people in this channel.03:32
brettcarWhat do I win?03:32
tsenga kickban03:32
cef_workbrettcar: in net/core/netfilter.c - /* FIXME: Stuart Young's name appears gratuitously. */03:32
brettcarThat's sort of obvious though03:32
brettcarMaybe I'll get lucky and earn a K line!03:32
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brettcarcef_work: hah :P03:33
rtsbasichey. I setup Ubuntu this evening, but can't get Ati 3D accel working correctly - all the objects look corrupted/messed up - any advice?03:33
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meffbuy an nvidia? ;)03:34
rtsbasicHeh. this was supposed to be an upgrade from a GF4MX440 :)03:34
rtsbasic2D's nice and snappy, but 3D in tuxracer/tuxkart is messed - smooth but messed up03:34
meffshoulda checked the support... ati writes drivers like fish swim in air03:35
rtsbasic:( Its only a 9600, not exactly bleeding edge stuff03:35
rtsbasicmaybe I should have got the model down, at least that has real drivers03:35
meffi'll just say i've heard more problem reports than working reports :)03:35
cef_workbrettcar: funny thing was that the bid that took it over $1000 was made by Tridge.. who already has his name in the kernel (funnily enough)03:36
Keknehvnvidia is better for linux boxes03:36
calc9600 is the best 3D since it doesn't use a pos fan :)03:36
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rtsbasic:) my nvidia was too old, so I thought i'd buy my first ATI card03:37
rtsbasicthink its too late to return it?03:37
KeknehvWRONG IDEA!03:37
rtsbasicHeh. don't think they'd accept that the drivers don't work03:37
Keknehvcause it's funny03:37
KeknehvWhy you... VERBING ADJECTIVE NOUN!03:38
Keknehvhehhe :D03:38
jimmy_deanAny idea whether gst-python has a package in the ubuntu repository?  I'm trying to build the new flumotion streaming server03:38
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jimmy_deanI can't seem to find gstreamer and python together03:38
=== aitrus 's nvida fan isn't loud
=== rtsbasic likes cards with no fans
Keknehv If one examines textual Marxism, one is faced with a choice: either reject neotextual constructive theory or conclude that art has intrinsic meaning. Therefore, in Beverly Hills 90210, Spelling reiterates precultural construction; in Models, Inc., although, he examines textual Marxism. Debord suggests the use of neotextual constructive theory to challenge and analyse sexual identity.03:38
calcaitrus: they at least used to be extremely loud03:39
aitruscalc: mine is brand new... PCX 590003:39
cef_workthat depends entirely on the fan03:39
flash\\offwhat tha heo03:39
Keknehv5900 is outdated now03:39
Keknehvthe 6xxx series is out03:39
Keknehvlike the 6800!03:39
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rtsbasicstill does its job03:39
aitrusKeknehv: i'm not spending money on a 6600 just to have a 6800 come out in a few weekss03:40
aitrusKeknehv: there are no 6800 PCX yet03:40
Keknehvthe 6800 IS out03:40
cef_workI've got a dual opteron with heaps of fans in it sitting behind me, and I cannot actually hear the thing running if there is any background noise.. cos most of the fans produce about 28-30 dBa03:40
flash\\offI got my 700 Bucks for my 6800 ULTRA + ps2/gtasa03:40
DespairI thought Nvidia was doing PCIe, not PCIX03:40
aitrusKeknehv: PCX == PCI eXpress.  there aren't any of those yet03:40
Despairaitrus: No, PCIe = PCI express. PCI-X is another standard, more similar to 64bit/66+ MHz PCI.03:41
mjg59Yay PCI!03:41
KeknehvMan, this live cd is slow...03:41
mjg59Two standards with confusingly similar names03:41
aitrusDespair: I didn't say PCIX, I said PCX03:41
rtsbasicbling bling, I guess03:41
brettcarI think we should get rid of PCI and just use transdermal interfaces03:41
Despairaitrus: that's a graphics file format. :)03:41
aitrusKeknehv: I know what PCI-X is... 64-bit 03:41
brettcarThe epidermis is a fine conductor.03:41
aitrusKeknehv: errr... not you, him03:41
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KeknehvHeck, let's get rid of EVERYTHING and go back to the ABACUS!03:41
brettcarThink of the levels of users we could eliminate, I mean help.03:41
rtsbasicat least then my graphics card would work03:42
aitrusDespair: maybe you should visit nVidia's website and look at their terminology03:42
flash\\offI just read something in Biology about epidermis.. what a cohincidence03:42
KeknehvIt's the largest organ on your body03:42
aitrusKeknehv: it's the largest organ SYSTEM on your body03:42
calcthere should be 6xxx PCX soon, since the new dual pcie boards will be out later this month or in Nov03:42
flash\\offKeknehv, the skin?03:42
Despairaitrus: Just because marketing is confused doesn't make me want to be, too. :)03:42
KeknehvVeni! Vidi! Fugi!03:42
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brettcarour nerd nitpicking has frightening him away03:43
aitrusDespair: right.  everyone else is wrong but you  =)03:43
brettcaroh no03:43
brettcarmy grammar is going03:43
aitrusnext it'll be your speling03:43
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brettcarcrap its true03:43
flash\\offdoes anybody in here know how to burn 2 .avi files so that I can watch them on a dvd player at school ?03:44
Despairaitrus: nah, I just don't like them disintegrating acronyms to further confuse things. that's marketing for you, though.03:44
flash\\offI mean, on linux.. I got the movie and the dvd-rw03:44
brettcaryou know what03:44
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brettcarthis channel has been around a while03:44
aitrusDespair: yeah... it's like EIDE and EISA all over again03:44
brettcarand we haven't had an emacs vs vi(m) flame war03:44
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brettcarwe're really overdue.03:44
brettcarso uhm.03:44
keknehvSo which is better?03:44
brettcaremacs is the best.03:44
aitrusbrettcar: oh yeah, well <your favorite thing> sucks03:44
keknehvI think cat is the best03:44
brettcaraitrus: oh yeah? well your <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here> is broken.03:45
flash\\offdoes anybody know how to bind together 2 movie files on linux ?03:45
brettcarnot that i'd know if your sexual purposed devices are functioning, but I highly doubt it!03:45
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aitrusbrettcar: what are you doing inspecting  my <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here>???03:45
aitrusflash\\off: umm... well, you could just cat the two of them into one big file... hehehehehe03:46
brettcaraitrus: I am merely making an <euphmisim for deep anal cavity probe>.03:46
tsenghm, look at that nice shiny topic03:46
aitrusbrettcar: you're done03:46
brettcaryeah i know03:46
keknehvhow do you clear the window in X-Chat?03:46
brettcarlet it rest in peace.03:46
brettcari'll spam us with fortunes!03:46
flash\\offaitrus, hmmmm help me..03:46
brettcaror not.03:46
aitrusbofh fortunes!03:46
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brettcarooh yeah the bofh fortunes are good03:46
bluefoxicytseng:  look at the topic in #-hardened :P03:47
keknehv /join #hardened03:47
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aitrusflash\\off: i was kind of kidding... however, if you just mush two avi's together they will play back to back as one big file03:47
ficusplanetI'm having trouble trying to get the new NetworkManager packages working.  I get a dbus error about "Connection :1.4" not being allowed to own the service...  Does anyone have any ideas what this means?  NetManager would really help make using this laptop easier.03:48
aitrusflash\\off: cp avi1 bigavi; cat avi2 >> bigavi03:48
keknehvhow do I get webcollage to work?03:48
flash\\offaitrus, I need to burn this on a dvd and play it on a dvd player.. that possible ?03:49
aitrusflash\\off: can't help you there.  never done that stuff.  sorry.03:49
ultrafunkaitrus: have you ever seen what that command does when you try and remux the movie for playing on a DVD player -- ick!03:49
ultrafunkflash\\off: get avidemux, that'll do what you want03:49
aitrusultrafunk: that's why i was kidding.......03:50
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tsengficusplanet: what network manager packages?03:50
flash\\offultrafunk, thx03:50
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ultrafunkflash\\off: I think the marillat repository still has it and all the dependencies you'll need.03:51
flash\\offultrafunk, could you gimme the rep ?03:51
ultrafunkaitrus: ah, missed that bit :)03:51
keknehvwhat should the apt-get repositories be?03:51
usNuts, not sure if my mouse is broken, run out of battery or if knoppix doesn't like me anymore :)03:51
ficusplanettseng, In people.ubuntu.com/~thom03:51
ultrafunkflash\\off: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, I think03:51
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keknehvyeah... it's that line-- if user(current)==loser; kill mouse.power; end if03:52
usHeh, well it was working fine in debian just seconds before so I doubt it's the battery03:52
maruko-workhow do I install the nvidia 6111 drivers in ubuntu? the script is complaining saying it can't find any kernel headers for ubuntu03:52
usConsidering the mouse is all of <20cm from the receiver03:53
flash\\offultrafunk, doesnt work03:53
flash\\offmaruko-work, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto03:53
cef_workflash\\off: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main03:54
flash\\offcef, thanks03:54
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cef_workflash\\off: or something like that.. not sure if there is now an ubuntu specific rebuild for that now03:55
flash\\offcef_work, doesnt find the pkgs of the dependencies03:56
cef_workflash\\off: try testing instead of unstable03:56
flash\\offcef_work, maybe you know something about encoding avi's so that you can watch em on a dvd player03:56
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cef_workflash\\off: probably closer to ubuntu now03:56
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angie75hello there03:56
cef_workflash\\off: nope.. haven't got a dvd burner, so haven't looked at it03:56
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flash\\offcef_work, the sarge rep worked03:57
angie75just a stupid question... does ubuntu support old amd processors? i have a 400...03:57
flash\\offangie75, yep03:57
cef_workflash\\off: in fact, only dvd player I have at the moment is my home ubuntu machine03:57
paulproteusangie75: You bet.03:57
angie75nice and fast answer!!! tnx a lot guys03:58
usflash\\off: Have a look at doom9.org although I have a fear that might be a windows orientated site, at the very least it'll give you all the infomation you need save for the exact encoding:)03:58
flash\\offcef_work, I dont have a dvd player either but at school (we wanna wathc Luther and I am the warezman) they have only the dvd player03:58
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angie75paulproteus & flash_off04:01
angie75tnx bye04:01
angie75spreading ubuntu in Italy :-)04:01
flash\\offangie75, sei italiana ?04:02
angie75yep 04:03
flash\\offangie75, eh viecci a trovare su azzurranet in #ubuntu04:03
flash\\offangie75, sto convertendo un sacco di italiani a ubuntu :>04:03
usw00t, finished, reboot time:)04:04
angie75pure io... si spaventavano con debian :-) adesso si ragiona04:04
flash\\offangie75, sei una ragazza immagino04:04
ultrafunkflash\\off: the repository? -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats has the full details on how to set it up04:04
flash\\offangie75, usi un qualsiasi Istant Messenger?04:05
flash\\offultrafunk, yea yea I got it already.. thanks04:05
flash\\offangie75, intendevo il protocollo :P04:05
angie75haha, jabber ;-)04:05
flash\\offangie75, ho tutto tranne jabber, caspita :|04:05
flash\\offangie75, se mi registro, posso aggiungerti ?04:05
angie75passero' su azzurranet ;-)04:06
flash\\offnon mi vuoi su jabber ? :E04:06
flash\\offora piango ;_;04:06
angie75non lo uso molto04:06
flash\\offposso querarti ?04:06
angie75non credo di poterlo impedire :-)04:07
flash\\offangie75, semplicemente se mi dici di non querarti non ti disturbo04:08
angie75nessun problema04:08
angie75mo' vado pero'04:08
ficusplanetWoot.  NetworkManager works.04:08
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wulfygood evening folks, I'm having some trouble gettin the nvidia binaries loaded04:10
wulfyI'm following the wiki04:10
wulfybut all I get is a blank screen after enabling them04:10
Lathiatwee got software suspend working on ubuntu04:12
Lathiatthat was a bit of a chore04:12
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xfLathiat: howdy04:14
xfsomething's /really/ odd with a machine i'm trying to install ubuntu on; installation is going painfully slowly04:14
xinelanybody know how to get a sound blaster live to work?04:14
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xfi'm suspeting possible hardware issues, though04:14
Lathiathey xf04:15
Lathiatxf: cdrom slow/broken?04:15
xfnah, it's fine04:15
xfcan't see any errors in any of the consoles, either04:15
xfi'm up to installing the base system04:17
xfit's doing about one package every 2 or 3 minutes04:17
wulfyI've got a nvidia fx520004:17
xinelnobody knows?04:17
wulfywhen I reboot with the nvidia driver I get blackness04:17
wulfythe only change it makes when I enable is "nvidia" instead of "nv"04:17
wulfyI even commented out #glcore and #dri like a read somewhere04:18
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snarfis there a cd burning app in ubuntu?04:18
Lathiatsnarf: What do you want to burn?04:19
snarfan iso04:19
Lathiatsnarf: just right click it in nautilus and hit burn04:19
snarfcool, never knew that04:19
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Lathiatyou can also compile files onto a cd with nautilus04:19
Lathiatif you goto the cd creator you can paste files in04:20
Lathiatand burn them04:20
Lathiatno idea about audio cds, rhythmbox CVS is supposed to have something for that that might be incorporated at some point i guess, dunno04:20
ctalkepanyone know smth about scanners04:20
snarfnautilus is awesome now04:20
Lathiatsnarf: :)04:20
Lathiatctalkep: Come again?04:20
snarffile managers in gnome/kde all sucked a few years ago04:21
ctalkepi have an old scanner working on the lpt04:21
ctalkepgenius color page vivid pro04:21
Lathiatctalkep: Play around with xsane, no idea what it does wrt LPT scanners04:21
ctalkepon win i have special drv that emulate printer on that port and it works04:21
Lathiati know it supports alot of usb scanners04:21
ctalkepbut no support for it04:22
Lathiator google for the model and xsane04:22
ctalkepi tried:(04:22
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benhhi !04:22
danielsyo dude04:22
benhdo ubuntu/ppc has a recent glibc  by now or still the old crap ?04:22
benhthat is, does it have NPTL/TLS support04:22
danielsbenh: we haven't done a large update04:22
benhI have a crashbox laptop here, I'm considering isntalling on it just to get an idea04:23
danielsum, dunno04:23
danielswe haven't done anything major to it04:23
benhwell, the glibc issue is a big pain in the ass with deb04:23
snarflooks like 2.3.204:23
benhit's totally outdated and patched to death04:23
benhyah, same old junk04:23
Lathiatdo any other distros have it right?04:23
bronsonI think I've finished the Kernel Buildpackage Howto.04:23
Lathiatwhat is it, yelowdog or whatever?04:23
bronsonSuggestions welcome.04:23
wulfyno nvidia users out there tonight?04:23
bob2benh: you should jump on ubuntu-devel and tell everyone :-)04:23
bob2wulfy: just ask your question...04:24
benhLathiat: YDL, FC, SuSE ...04:24
bob2FC does NTPL on PPC?04:24
wulfybob2: I have :-) -- after apt-get installing nvidia-glx and enabling it my x server doesn't start04:24
Lathiatbenh: so its just debian?04:24
benhLathiat: yes04:24
bob2wulfy: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:25
Juz_pass-n-thruwhy didn't the partitioning ask/allow me to designate a swap partition? .. I just left one free .. will it ask me later?04:25
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danielsbenh: which version does one need to get nptl on ppc?04:25
wulfybob2: that's how I got where I am now, followed it to a T04:25
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: the default thing will do it for you, if you partition it manually, you need to make one04:25
Lathiatis it just me, or in either my debian gnome2.6 or 2.8 did the battery applet let me set a suspend command that was a menu option and happened when you double clicked the battery applet...04:26
Juz_pass-n-thruthere wasn't an option in the menu(s) when you do it manually04:26
Lathiatand ubuntu doesnt04:26
benhdaniels: not sure exactly when it started04:26
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: yeah there is04:26
benhdaniels: but if you update glibc, then I'd suggest sync with what fc has, something really recent04:26
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: select swap as the partition type04:26
benhwell, I don't think there are any glibc "releases" anymore04:26
bob2benh: do we need glibc cvs for this to work?04:26
xinelcan anybody help me with my sound problem?04:26
benhdrepper probably decided that it was too easy for us people to have real releases04:27
flash\\offxinel, what's the prob04:27
Juz_pass-n-thruthere was no swap in the list of the partition types is what I'm saying04:27
benhbob2: there is nothing but glibc cvs nowadays04:27
Juz_pass-n-thruext2 thru fat32 .. no swap04:27
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: maybe in mount point?04:27
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: I forget, but it is in there...04:27
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joemanybody here have their home dir either a lvm or netowrk mount?04:28
Juz_pass-n-thrulooked at all those places .. never found it04:28
bob2wulfy: do you have the right version of the modules installed?04:28
Juz_pass-n-thruscrolled top to bottom04:28
Juz_pass-n-thruI didn't try format .. maybe it was there ?04:28
flash\\offnobody ever burned an avi so that he can watch it on a dvd player.. cmon.. help me..04:28
GotD0t-awayflash you have to convert to mpeg204:28
xinelflash\\off: basically i have no sound at all, when i press the sound button i get this output "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"04:28
bob2flash\\off: dude, if no one answers, it's not a conspiracy against you, it just means no one knows.04:28
bob2flash\\off: I think you need transcode for that, tho, or mencoder to make it mpeg2.04:29
wulfybob2: how would I tell04:29
Juz_pass-n-thruI know I can do mkswap or what ever it's called later .. just wondering if it was there and  missed it or what?04:29
flash\\offmencoder doesnt work..04:29
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: it is there, but I can't remember the exact option04:29
bob2wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-powerpc-smp - Restricted Linux modules on PowerPC SMP.04:29
flash\\offGotD0t-away, how to convert to mpeg2 ?04:29
Juz_pass-n-thruwell I remember I found it last time on the pre release ... this is the new one04:30
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bob2wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules\*04:30
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GotD0tflash\\off: im not sure... ive only done that in windows04:30
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: if you really think it's not there, ask on the ubuntu-users list, and someone can tell you the exact location04:30
GotD0tflash\\off: i just switched to linux this weekend04:30
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Juz_pass-n-thruuhhh ubuntu users list .. as in #ubuntu-users   or a forum somewhere?04:31
LathiatJuz_pass-n-thru: mailing list04:31
bob2Juz_pass-n-thru: "list" = "mailing list".04:31
wulfybob2: not sure exactly what I'm looking at04:34
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wulfyit lists linux-restricted-mod
bob2wulfy: what does "uname -r" print out?04:35
wulfybob2: I also see - ii  linux-restricted-mod          Non-free Linux modules on 38604:35
bob2what does "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep nvidia" print out?04:36
wulfybob2: and - ii  linux-restricted-mod           Restricted Linux modules on 386.04:36
wulfybob2: /lib/modules/
bob2ah, cool04:36
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bob2that means you have the right module installed and all.04:36
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bob2is the module loaded?04:37
bob2"lsmod | grep nvidia"04:37
wulfybob2: yes - nvidia               4821428  004:38
wulfybob2: When I boot using the nvidia driver it locks pretty hard - I can still SSH in but Control - Alt - Backspace doesn't work04:39
wulfynor Control-Alt-f204:39
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wulfybob2: hah ? was that hah of insight? perhaps? :-)04:43
bob2if loading it locks up, then there's nothing anyone but nvidia can really do to help, sorry :/04:43
bob2you might try using the other AGP thing or asking on ubuntu-users, tho04:44
wulfybob2: the other AGP thing?04:44
bob2the nvidia kernel module can use the kernel's AGPart or it's own one04:44
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wulfybob2: what about a previous version of the driver?04:45
bob2might help04:46
wulfybob2: can I install via apt-get or am I on my own?04:48
keefer_just finished the amd64 install, very nice so far04:48
bob2wulfy: older versions?  you'd be your own, I think.04:49
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PenguinBoygood evening, guys!04:51
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magikfingerzHi everybody, How are you in this EXCELLENT night...? :)04:53
PenguinBoyhow r u magic?04:53
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keefer_not bad04:54
duke|ibwhat's the default user/pass for cups if root doesn't have a password set?04:54
PenguinBoyI don't suppose it would be password?04:54
magikfingerzI'm fine... currently installing ubuntu right now... BTW... How many time takes the ubuntu installation in a Lap Celeron 533 Mhz aprox. I have about a hour and half, and still is configuring... :p04:55
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keefer_magik: shouldn't be too long, went quick for me04:55
PenguinBoyyou'll make it magic04:55
bob2unpacking all those packages does take a while04:56
duke|ibi installed ubuntu on my ibook in maybe uh04:56
duke|ib30 minutes04:56
keefer_bout the same on my amd6404:56
PenguinBoysame here04:56
keefer_4th try is a charm04:56
ficusplanetduke|ib, How is everything working your 700MhZ iBook?  I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on one.04:56
bob2wow, a lot faster than on my g4 ibook04:56
jgeorgesoni've been having trouble with k3b not listing any writer devices. it lists my drive under reader, but clearly lists itself as being able to write CDRs and CDRWs04:57
magikfingerzWell, while is still moving, I'm fine... :)04:57
duke|ibit doesn't wake up if i put it to sleep04:57
duke|ibbut other than that it's great :)04:57
ficusplanetduke|ib, OK, I'll give it a shot.04:57
duke|ibi still need the default cups password :(04:57
duke|iboh wait04:57
bob2jgeorgeson: did you follow the instrucions on the wiki?04:58
duke|ibnevermind, i'm too slow to think04:58
duke|ibgo me!04:58
magikfingerzBTW, somebody know how to rip a CD to Mp3, currently I'm using GRIP, but rip only to OGG/Vorbis... :p04:58
bob2magikfingerz: nothing in ubuntu can encode mp3s.04:58
bob2magikfingerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:58
magikfingerzbob2, it's fine for me, but my portable CDPlayer only supports MP3, not OGG :(04:59
keefer_magik, use cdparanoia command line, then pick your encoder04:59
PizbitAck, ubuntu lacks some sensible aliases;)04:59
Pizbit.. = cd.. and whatnot:)05:00
flash\\offneed to burn an avi to dvd.. nobody did this before?05:00
jgeorgesonbob2: i'm looking for it but coming up dry, do you have a link?05:00
bob2keefer_: cdparanoia doesn't support any encoders at all, and ubuntu doesn't ship lame.05:01
bob2Pizbit: you can file enhancement bugs if you like.05:01
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magikfingerzIn fact, I know OGG/Vorbis have better quality than standard Mp3, so, its cool for me, but i'm upset 'cause I don't know any Discman what support OGG... :(05:01
bob2flash\\off: you've been given a number of suggestions, which you seem to have ignored05:01
keefer_bob2: cdparanoia will give you the wav's then have your way with them05:01
flash\\offbob2, no, I just cant get dvdrip.. doesnt install it..05:02
bob2keefer_: right05:02
Pizbitbob2: Yeah... Remind me in an hour or two:) Gota install nvidia drivers, 60hz refresh is driving me nuts, and this antiqudated version of xchat(Seems the maintainer of that even in debian isn't quick:))05:02
bob2flash\\off: "doesnt install it"? so fix that.05:02
flash\\offbob2, I mean.. there are only the deb rep's and the dependencies arent well built05:02
bob2Pizbit: the nv driver doesn't support high refresh rates on your card?05:02
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jgeorgesonflash\\off: the marillat repo works just fine with ubuntu, is what you need not in universe or marillat?05:03
PizbitSeems odd, but it's the highest for this resolution. 1024x76805:03
flash\\offjgeorgeson, dvdrip05:03
bob2Pizbit: that is very odd05:03
bob2flash\\off: I'm pretty sure you want transocde.05:03
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Pizbitbob2: geforce420mx05:04
DragonRebornhow is it going, people?05:04
DragonRebornhow do I get proper ATI drivers installed on this so that I stop getting so much lag when I use openGL?05:04
jgeorgesonflash\\off: you already mentioned that. is that package not in universe or marillat?05:04
flash\\offjgeorgeson, it is but it needs dependencies..05:05
flash\\offjgeorgeson, I couldnt run after each dep05:05
bob2DragonReborn: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:05
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jgeorgesonflash\\off: and they aren't resolved within universe and marillat then? is dvdrip the missing dependency?05:06
flash\\offjgeorgeson, right05:06
defendguinat least they got rid of the p0rn05:07
flash\\offjgeorgeson, /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Songs About Jane.rar05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Young Buck05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Usher - Confessions05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/THe HiP HoP CoLLeCTioN - 29.07.2004 By Cerberus05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/The Eminem Show05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Snoop Dogg - Greatest Hits05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Simply Red05:07
flash\\off/mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Sido - Maske05:07
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baHamdid you get everything05:08
baHamof my paste?05:08
magikfingerzHurrah!! Ubuntu is working... is workiiing!! :D05:08
baHamI'm really sorry05:08
DragonRebornlinux = win05:08
baHamjgeorgeson,  05:08
baHamThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:08
baHam  dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable05:08
baHamE: Broken packages05:08
DragonReborn*as in 'I win"05:08
bob2baHam: um, don't do that again 05:08
DragonRebornnot 'windows'05:08
baHambob2, I'm sorry05:08
Se7his there a way to read "hlp" files?05:08
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flash`y0 Se7h 05:08
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flash`its baham ;>05:09
flash`remember me ?05:09
Se7h--- baHam is now known as flash`05:09
Se7hnow i do05:09
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adam_whats a good mysql client?05:10
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jgeorgesonflash\\off: i haven't been able to install transcode either, but mencode and ffmpeg install for me05:11
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bob2jgeorgeson: can't find that k3b page, sorry05:12
flash\\offjgeorgeson, how to use ffmpeg?05:13
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jgeorgesonbob2: me neither, i even did a google search of 'site:ubuntulinux.org k3b'. there is a how-to for fixing ~/.ICEauthority after running 'sudo k3bsetup' but that's not a probelm so far05:14
Pizbit"bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" <-Nuts, never seen this one before.05:14
jgeorgesonflash\\off: not really sure myself, man ffmpeg05:14
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bob2Pizbit: is that partition mounted "noexec"?05:14
bob2or "user"?05:14
bob2that's why05:15
flash\\offReading /home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory05:15
flash\\offReading /etc/mplayer/mencoder_codecs.conf: 73 audio & 180 video codecs05:15
flash\\offFile not found: 'frameno.avi'05:15
flash\\offFailed to open frameno.avi05:15
flash\\offReading config file /home/baham/.mplayer/mencoder: No such file or directory05:15
flash\\offNo file given05:15
flash\\offExiting... (error parsing cmdline)05:15
Pizbitflash\\off: Bloody helll05:15
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Pizbitflash\\off: www.pastebin.com :P05:15
bob2flash\\off: please stop flooding the channel05:15
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bob2flash\\off: that error looks very self-explanatory05:15
bob2flash\\off: "File not found: 'frameno.avi'"05:15
jgeorgesonflash\\off: I don't know how to use mencoder or ffmpeg, i just installed them a couple days ago in anticipation of using them. check their web sites for documentation05:16
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bob2it can't find the file you told it to use05:16
bob2fix that, for a start05:16
flash\\offbob2, I just RAN mencoder05:17
Pizbitbob2: Ahh, fixed, thanks:)05:17
flash\\offbob2, without specifiying..05:17
bob2flash\\off: yes, and then you ignored the error05:17
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bob2flash\\off: then you need to specify the file to use05:17
flash\\offbob2, tried this too..05:17
bob2flash\\off: have you read the mencoder manpage or are you guessing as to how to use it?05:17
bob2flash\\off: are you trying to copy dvds?05:19
flash\\offbob2, I have an .avi on my pc and I want to burn it to dvd in order to watch it on a dvd player05:20
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bob2flash\\off: http://dominia.org/djao/dvdsub.ver3-5.html05:21
bob2which googling for "mencoder avi video cd" found.05:21
Pizbitweeee. compiling xchat 2.4 :)05:22
flash\\offPizbit, get the debian package..?05:22
WWjgeorgeson (cc bob2): There's something about k3b in the Ubuntu Howto's, but I don't know if it helps with your problem.05:23
Pizbitflash\\off: Universe has only 2.0.805:23
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jgeorgesonWW: if it's the bit about fixing perms on .ICEauthority then no05:25
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flash\\offPizbit, debian package05:26
Pizbitw00t, tvtime playing fine05:27
WWjgeorgeson: That's the one... never mind...05:27
KazeNoBokushaOK, i've just installed the wonderful magicly awesome ubuntu, although i don't see how such a short name could actually mean `I am what I am because of who we all are' in `ancient African', but it's great nonetheless05:27
atariboydoes warty have inotify installed?05:27
KazeNoBokushabut there's a snag, you see05:28
KazeNoBokushai can't play my videos because i can't get w32codecs05:28
PizbitSo get them05:28
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bob2KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:28
KazeNoBokushai can't get them, so get them? that doesn't even make sense05:28
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: you need to use the marillat repo, or get them by hand from mplayerhq.hu05:28
PizbitKazeNoBokusha: Erm, what's stopping you?:)05:29
KazeNoBokusharepo? i thought w32codecs was in the main debian tree05:29
KazeNoBokushawhat's repo mean?05:29
bob2KazeNoBokusha: hell no05:29
bob2KazeNoBokusha: 13:28 < bob2> KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:29
bob2read that05:29
KazeNoBokushai am going there05:29
evilmegamanI still am having problems with my cd rom drive not being recognized by ubuntu. when I get to detect and mount CD rom, It can't seem to mount it. It does this with EVERY ubuntu release? No other distros do it besides mandrake05:29
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: have a ook at the wiki link05:29
bob2KazeNoBokusha: no one wtih any sense is shipping the w32codecs05:29
KazeNoBokushabob2, this is an xvid file, xvid is open source, why not include a decoder for it?05:30
bob2KazeNoBokusha: it's patent-encumbered05:30
PizbitKazeNoBokusha: xvid aren't the only codecs in the package05:30
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: xvid is in the w32codecs pack?05:30
Pizbit(if they are heh)05:30
KazeNoBokushai don't know if xvid is in w32codecs but i know i currently can't play them05:31
jgeorgesonmaybe libxvidcore405:31
KazeNoBokushamaybe it's because ubuntu uses gstreamer by default and not xine for totem?05:31
bob2KazeNoBokusha: yes05:31
jgeorgesonand libxvidcore205:31
KazeNoBokushaso gstreamer can't do xvid, that sucks05:31
bob2KazeNoBokusha: lots of xine codecs also patent-encumbered05:31
bob2KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine05:31
bob2which is in ubuntu, but not on the cd05:31
KazeNoBokushadebian includes it, and they have a pretty restrictive idea of what they include as far as patents i think05:32
PizbitKazeNoBokusha: Debian do *not* include w32codecs05:32
bob2no, but it it does include xine05:32
bob2which is what KazeNoBokusha is talking about05:32
PizbitYou most likely had the marillat line in your sources.list05:32
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: debian makes it much easier to get patent encumbered packages then most other distributions i've tried, except suse and mandrake05:32
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KazeNoBokushai probably did, since at one point i wanted to try mplayer05:33
evilmegamanCan anyone help me out?05:33
KazeNoBokushaturned out mplayer had some problems05:33
Witigonenjgeorgeson, I found it was very easy to install mp3 packages and the like on Fedora.05:33
jgeorgesonevilmegaman: maybe05:33
bob2evilmegaman: sata motherboard?05:33
evilmegamanI dunno05:33
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evilmegamanLemme check05:33
jgeorgesonWitigonen: it's easier on debian. the installer asks if you want non-US and contrib05:34
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jgeorgesonwith fedora you have to track down repos on your own05:34
bob2non-Us in Debian is empty now05:34
bob2and contrib doesn't have different rules for freeness to main05:34
KazeNoBokushajgeorgeson, debian-installer never asked me that05:34
Witigonenjgeorgeson, the support page http://fedorafaq.org has a yum.conf file that has it all readily available.  05:34
evilmegamanHow do I know what mother board I have in windoze05:35
sebast123Does anybody knows if the CD distribution system is working and if the CDs are already on the way?05:35
jgeorgesonwell, all i know is that stuff like mstt corefonts, flashplayer, and some other stuff were available after i enabled contrib, so i didn't have to look for repos on my own05:35
bob2evilmegaman: "Does your motherboard have SATA ports?"05:35
bob2sebast123: it is working, they will ship in a bit05:35
bob2sebast123: you should receive them in a month or so05:35
jgeorgesonWitigonen: which is not an official fedora (red hat) site05:35
evilmegamanbob2: oh05:35
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: might have been the old installer05:36
sebast123A month! that long?05:36
bob2sebast123: dude.05:36
KazeNoBokushawell, i'm going to get xvid, if it has patent issues, i'm sorry, but all my anime is in xvid format and there is apparently no non-patent encumbered way to play it, so i'll just get w32codecs05:36
bob2sebast123: someone is shipping thousands of cds out to random strangers around the world, waiting a month is not *that* big a deal05:36
Pizbitjgeorgeson: I'm fairly sure the old installer asked it too05:36
KazeNoBokushajgeorgeson, i used RC1 and pre-RC2 installers, those are the newest ones (only ones, too)05:36
bob2KazeNoBokusha: no, you want xine, as I said already05:36
lamontsebast123: the masters will hit the presser no earlier than monday, and then there are _A_LOT_ of cd's to press and ship05:36
bob2KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine, I'm pretty sure it will work05:36
KazeNoBokushabob2, ok then05:36
jgeorgesonPizbit: that's what i was saying, Kaze said debian-installer (the new one) doesn't ask05:36
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evilmegamanhow do I know if I have SATA ports?05:37
PizbitArgh, that guy is nuts!05:37
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bob2evilmegaman: what sort of motherboard is it?05:37
=== Pizbit hates people like that:)
sebast123Yeah, you're whrite, and since it's free I should not bother05:37
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jgeorgesonPizbit: don't be a hata05:37
evilmegamanSee here. I know very little about hardware.05:37
gatolaslamont:  do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?05:38
evilmegamanHow do I find out what I have?05:38
Pizbitjgeorgeson: I don't hate them personally, I hate their attitude:)05:38
bob2sebast123: no, just have some patience, there are lots and lots  of cds to ship05:38
evilmegamanI wanted to know that for a long time. but I don't want to bother my friend because he's irritated05:38
bob2sebast123: until then, you can download it and burn it yourself05:38
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Pizbitbrb I hope;)05:38
bob2evilmegaman: you don't know anything about the computer at all?05:38
evilmegamanhardly :(05:39
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jgeorgesonevilmegaman: you could run lspci05:39
KazeNoBokushai know that universe is not supported, but is it known to have problems?05:39
evilmegamanI am in  windows :(05:39
evilmegamanfedora's being cheesy05:39
bob2KazeNoBokusha: no05:39
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KazeNoBokushathen it's most likely completely safe?05:39
bob2KazeNoBokusha: well, yes, but not "it will eat your cat" sort of problems05:39
jgeorgesonevilmegaman: right-click on My Computer, go to manage, then check out Device Manager05:39
lamontgatolas: yes?05:40
evilmegamanThat's where I am05:40
tuxi've just installed the def. ubuntu warty05:40
gatolaslamont: do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?05:40
PizbitAhhh, up-to-date xchat05:40
lamontgatolas: no idea what the long term plan is for providing no-cost CD's05:40
tuxlastest one, it doesn't play mp3's , anyone else have that problem ?05:40
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evilmegamanSo how would I find what mobo I have in device manager :P?05:40
gatolaslamont: or is it a permanent policy?05:40
evilmegamanDo you want to answer in pm jgeorgeson?05:41
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jgeorgesonevilmegaman: you probably won't, you'll find what components are on it though05:41
lamontgatolas: no idea, really.  that's way outside of my part of things - I just build the bits... :_)05:41
gatolastux: try using XMMS. 05:41
evilmegamanexactly what I thought. That's why I never knew what motherboard I have05:41
jgeorgesonevilmegaman: i'm just being cheeky. crack open the case and read the manufacturer off the board05:41
tuxits not installed05:41
KazeNoBokushaoh, while i'm here, i've experienced this problem on both ubuntu and debian sarge: device manager crashes the moment it loads, so a grey window flashes on then right off again. any idea what's causing this?05:41
bob2gatolas: afaik, no decision has been made...have to see if the first lot bankrupts canonical or not ;-)05:41
bob2KazeNoBokusha: are you up to date on ubuntu?05:42
KazeNoBokushabob2, lemme check05:42
evilmegamanI don't even know where to start when cracking open this case. it's a shuttle05:42
jgeorgesonubuntu has a device manager?05:42
bob2jgeorgeson: yes, of a sort05:42
KazeNoBokushabob2, yes, no upgrades available, seeing as how i installed ubuntu mere hours ago05:42
jgeorgesonthen it most likely has a shuttle mobo, check out the shuttle web site for specs05:42
bob2KazeNoBokusha: that should have been fixed a while ago then05:43
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bob2KazeNoBokusha: please ask on the ubuntu-users list about that05:43
adam__has anyone install WINE on Ubuntu yet?05:43
KazeNoBokushabob2, OK05:43
bob2or bug pitti when he wakes up ;)05:43
tuxis there a way to dl the ubuntu ximms while not using ubuntu ?05:43
bob2tux: er, yes, but why?05:44
tuxlike a site url or something05:44
bob2KazeNoBokusha: yes, the mailing list.05:44
jgeorgesontux: you could browse the repo linked on the web site, and save the .deb05:44
tuxwell i dont have internet access at home , so have to dl elsewhere and copy over :/05:44
evilmegamanagh. Is there any way to do a network installation of ubuntu?05:44
evilmegamanMaybe use the live CD?05:44
bob2tux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xmms/05:44
jgeorgesonevilmegaman: if you can get the live cd, why not get the install cd and install off that?05:45
tuxbob2 : thx05:45
bob2evilmegaman: why do you think that will work when the install oen doesn't?05:45
evilmegamanUmm my computer's weird like that bob205:45
tuxbob2 : its only 2 mb :O05:45
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bob2tux: it will Depend on other things, tho05:46
evilmegamanonly 2 distros don't work with my cd rom05:46
bob2which you will need to also download05:46
pizbitAlltighty, how does one disable rivafb?:)05:46
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nickerslibswt install!? where is it05:47
nickersi was azureus05:47
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jgeorgesonbob2, the k3b sourceforge site mentions that even has problems (seems to recognize my burner in nautilus just fine though)05:47
pizbitMethinsk someone asked recently05:47
bob2nickers: isn't that some ibm java gui lib?05:47
nickersswing stuff05:47
nickersits pretty basic stuff05:47
bob2jgeorgeson: yeah, to do with permission changes in root05:47
nickerstakes gcj to gui is its slogan05:48
bob2nickers: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:48
nickersialready have java05:48
nickersthis is an additional lib05:48
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fschow can I tweak XFree86-4 so that I can get both my synaptic touchpad and my usb wireless mouse to work at the same time?05:49
bob2it should Just Work05:49
KazeNoBokushawhen i try to install totem-xine, it wants to remove not just totem-gstreamer, but ubuntu-desktop as well! shouldn't ubuntu-desktop rely on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine even though xine isn't in the main repository?05:49
jgeorgesonfsc it Just Worked for me05:49
bob2KazeNoBokusha: you can file a bug asking for that05:49
KazeNoBokushabob2, where?05:50
jdubKazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't do that. you don't have to worry about ubuntu-desktop being removed.05:50
KazeNoBokushajdub, uaaa?!05:50
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: it should remove toten-gstreamer but not ubuntu-desktop05:50
jdubKazeNoBokusha: don't bother filing a bug, it won't be fixed05:50
fscjgeorgeson, well, the touchpad doubletap wouldn't work out of the box for me, so i had to setup xfree86-4 to do some synpatic stuff, now the usb mouse doesn't work because of some changes i had to do and synpatic was getting loaded twice05:50
KazeNoBokushajgeorgeson, it isn't so05:50
jdubjgeorgeson: yes it should05:50
WWKazeNoBokusha: I think that's normal. ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.05:50
fscjgeorgeson, i've got both in Xfree86-4, i just need to tweak it so that either or can work05:51
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jgeorgesonjdub: it should? it didn't when I installed it, i don't think05:51
KazeNoBokushabut it new packages are added to the meta package, and i don't have the meta package installed, it won't automatically install those new packages05:51
KazeNoBokushaon update05:51
jdubKazeNoBokusha: if you remove something that u-d depends on, it will be removed too.05:51
jdubKazeNoBokusha: that's right05:51
fscjgeorgeson, were you getting double-tap on the synaptic working out of the box, or was the touchpad acting basically as a serial mouse?05:51
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jgeorgesonfsc: i've never tried to get that working05:52
nuOpusHey whats up all?05:52
nuOpusI just converted to Ubuntu05:52
nuOpusgreat distro05:52
KazeNoBokushajdub, which is why it's a bug that i have to remove ubuntu-desktop05:52
jdubKazeNoBokusha: no, it's not. :-)05:52
jgeorgesonjdub: maybe i spoke to soon, dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop says no pacakegs found05:52
fscjgeorgeson, yeah, i've got the double-tap working and the right-click/lower-corner tapping, so that's cool. but now i need for the wireless/usb mouse and the touchpad to work simultaneously05:52
KazeNoBokushajdub, ubuntu desktop shouldn't depend on totem-gstreamer, it should depend on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine05:52
jdubKazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't. :-)05:52
KazeNoBokushajdub, why not?05:53
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KazeNoBokushait would make more sense if you want one and not the other05:53
nuOpuswhats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?05:53
kroopps.  heh05:53
lamontKazeNoBokusha: you can remove ubuntu-desktop after it's installed05:53
jdubKazeNoBokusha: it depends precisely on what is in the supported desktop set, no more, no less.05:53
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: i would imagine it's a philosophical 'avoid patented stuff' thing05:53
lamontjdub: as it should/must05:53
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KazeNoBokushalamont, except that if they update it to require a new package, and i don't have u-d, it won't install that new package automatically05:53
lamontjgeorgeson: ubuntu-desktop only depends on things in main, nothing in universe.05:53
lamontKazeNoBokusha: true.05:54
jdubKazeNoBokusha: if you change your system, that's the price you have to pay05:54
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jgeorgesonlamont: that's kinda what i meant05:54
KazeNoBokushajgeorgeson, well, you could be right, but in debian, they require things like patent-free | paten-encumbered sometimes, even if you have to add non-free repo in order to get it05:54
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: hence my earlier statement that debian makes it easier than other distros05:55
lamontKazeNoBokusha: just think of 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' as saying 'please install all of the supported parts of my desktop system, and remove anything they conflict with'05:55
KazeNoBokushalamont, yes i know that05:55
jgeorgesonfsc: you have both InputDevice's listed in the ServerLayout section?05:55
KazeNoBokushaanyway, i see that ubuntu is even more patent-conscious than debian with it's dfsg, and that's ok, i suppose05:56
bob2patents aren't so much a freedom issue as a "we can get sued" issue05:56
WWbob2: Just curious... Does java fall in the "we can get sued" category? 05:57
KazeNoBokushawell, either debian doesn't care about being sued, or they've evaluated the risk to be extremely low05:57
nuOpuswhats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?05:57
bob2WW: no05:57
KazeNoBokushaWW, i don't think it does, it's just not Free05:58
rancorasanybody ever notice that aisleriot doesn't resize well?  If the cards run off the bottom of the window...they can't be moved05:58
bob2WW: it falls into the "sun's version is often needed but has a stupid license"05:58
fscjgeorgeson, yes05:58
KazeNoBokushanuOpus, is it even possible?05:58
jgeorgesonKazeNoBokusha: who would get sued? debian is a network of volunteers?05:58
nuOpusI did it all the time in Gentoo05:58
KazeNoBokushajgeorgeson, ah, good point05:58
jgeorgesoni guess the packager and the maintainer of the repository hosting the package05:58
fscjgeorgeson, but right now the usb/wireless mouse is commented out because i was having problems.  do you know what "SendCoreEvents" in xfree86-4 means?05:58
jdubnuOpus: totem doesn't have an mplayer backend05:58
nuOpusI used mplayer instead of gstreamer or xine cuz mplayer just played media better05:58
nuOpusuhhh ya it does05:58
ficusplanetnuOpus, Totem can't use mplayer, dude.05:58
nuOpusask anyone who has ever used gentoo05:59
jdubno really, it doesn't :)05:59
RageMaxxine is better anyway05:59
jgeorgesonfsc: it tells X to treat events from that device as though they were events from the Core device of that category05:59
nuOpusI constantly play my movies with totem. Sometimes when it crashes I have to killall mplayer05:59
nuOpusto remove the process05:59
jgeorgeson(pretend this mouse device is the Core mouse)05:59
fscjgeorgeson, and that does what....?05:59
KazeNoBokushanuOpus, i've tried both extensively, the only major difference being that when you use the osd and you are watching an xvid file, the osd leaves residue until those specific pixels are updated to show a different color05:59
jgeorgesonfsc: that's what enables the multiple mouse setup, like a hotpluggable usb mouse to go with your touchpad06:00
fscjgeorgeson, curious, because i'm looking at sample xfree86-4 file and that's what it has in the ServerLayout section06:00
KazeNoBokushaof course, if you need to fool with the plugins, you might also want mplayer, but other than that not really06:00
jdubnuOpus: unless there is some kind of insanely stupid gentoo patch (which i doubt), there is no relationship between totem and mplayer at all :-)06:00
nuOpusbut ya ... fuscus I can show you a process list playing a movie. Totem used mplayer to play through totem06:00
fscjgeorgeson, so should one be a CorePointer and the other a SendCoreEvents?06:00
jgeorgesonfsc: yes06:01
fscjgeorgeson, does it matter which one?06:01
jgeorgesonfsc: i don't think so, my core is /dev/input/mice and the sendcore is /dev/psaux06:01
ficusplanetnuOpus, http://www.hadess.net/totem.php3 Mplayer isn't even mentioned.  Also, grep the source code - no mplayer.06:01
WWbob2 (or anyone else): So Java is not included because of a philosophical stance, not a legal constraint?06:01
nuOpusthen its a gentoo patch06:01
fscjgeorgeson, ok, i'm gonna try this06:01
nuOpusgotta get it going for debian06:01
bob2WW: no, because it's non-Free06:01
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fscjgeorgeson, thanks for your help06:02
KazeNoBokushabob2, that is a philosophical stance, actually06:02
bob2WW: which I suppose is a philosophical constraint, but a very pragmatic one06:02
nuOpusbut ya fiscus .... I have been using it constantly with mplayer for a while. This is the first time I have not used totem without mplayer06:02
jgeorgesonfsc: only thank me if it works :p06:02
nuOpussince I switched to ubuntu06:02
bob2KazeNoBokusha: it has usage restrictions06:02
bob2KazeNoBokusha: mixing that in with Free software is baaaaaad06:02
joemnuOpus, no, you are really wrong06:02
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fscjgeorgeson, ok, i'll be cursing your name when i relog into X if it doesn't...j/k06:02
WWbob2: I also use Libranet, and in their Adminmenu, there is an "Install Java" button.06:02
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KazeNoBokushabob2, unless you care about compatibility and such stupid things as running java software and such06:02
nuOpusAhhhhhh so it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to patch it so it does?06:02
jdubnuOpus: quite seriously, you are not correct.06:02
nuOpuscuz thats how it worked in Gentoo06:03
WWbob2: ... install plugins, anyway.06:03
fschehe. ok time to log out of X06:03
jdubnuOpus: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/gentoo-portage/media-video/totem/06:03
bob2WW: Debian has an installer package in contrib too, iirc06:03
jdubnuOpus: it would require a fairly significant amount of work to use mplayer within totem, and would be pretty well known if it had been done06:03
ficusplanetnuOpus, funny how a google search doesn't mention it, too.  Seems like something that would be noteworthy enough to show up.06:03
bob2KazeNoBokusha: "Hey, here's an ubuntu CD, it's completely Free software, you can do whatever you want with it...Oh, except you can't A B AND C"06:03
jgeorgesoni've always just gone to java.sun.com to download and install it, even on windows06:03
nuOpusOkay ... now I will have to reinstall gentoo just to show you guys a process tree06:03
WWbob2: I guess I don't see why Ubuntu couldn't have a simple "Install Java" option somewhere.06:04
bob2WW: it could...06:04
rancorasnuOpus: ok, we'll see you in a couple days then :P06:04
joemnuOpus, do you really think that everybody but you(and the author) somehow missed totem having an mplayer backend06:04
bob2WW: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats :-)06:04
KazeNoBokushabob2, well you could do like debian does where it doesn't include the binary in the .deb, but merely downloads it and installs it...06:04
KazeNoBokushabob2, that's what debian does with quake06:04
jgeorgesonWW: i think it has to do with licensing to redistribute the jdk/jre06:04
WWbob2: actually, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java06:04
bob2WW: ah, cool06:04
bob2KazeNoBokusha: it could do that in multiverse, yeah06:05
WWbob2: But that web page is a confusing mess.06:05
bob2KazeNoBokusha: quake itself is free, it's the shareware data that isn't..06:05
bob2WW: hm, "someone" should fix it...are you bored? :-)06:05
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KazeNoBokushabob2, multiverse?06:05
WWbob2: I'm the one who added the "Method 4" a few days ago.  06:05
bob2WW: ah06:05
KazeNoBokushaMethod 4?06:06
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bob2KazeNoBokusha: ubuntu's non-free, more or less06:06
eheiehso, how 'bout dem almost nekked people?06:06
jdubeheieh: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar06:06
WWbob2: But I haven't installed java yet.  Even the ubuntu site had gave two different links for installing java.06:06
jgeorgesonwhat is so freaking complicated about going to java.sun.com and downloading it?06:07
KazeNoBokushabob2, ubuntu doesn't release source then?06:07
jdubKazeNoBokusha: he means "multiverse is where non-free stuff lives in ubuntu"06:07
bob2KazeNoBokusha: for what?  everything in main and universe is Free Software, with fully available source.06:07
jdubKazeNoBokusha: not "ubuntu is non-free"06:07
jdubKazeNoBokusha: though his apostrophe would suggest otherwise06:07
bob2KazeNoBokusha: oh, mind the apostrophe :)06:08
bob2erm, don't mind.06:08
KazeNoBokushajdub, ok06:08
ajbob2: "apostrophe of posession"06:08
ajsounds like a good title for a horror flick06:08
jgeorgesonthis years runaway hit06:09
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daniels'sideshow and the killer apostrophe'06:09
bob2"that apostrophe at my baby!"06:09
bob2erm, ate.06:09
WW"Those things in the basement are my former husbands", she said.06:10
jgeorgesonanyone have suspend/hibernate working?06:10
KazeNoBokushaso does any code meant to decode xvid automatically have patent worries, or is it just the current implementations?06:10
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bob2jgeorgeson: x40 owning bastards do.06:11
danielsbob2: the apostrophe ate your e, by the looks06:11
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danielsjgeorgeson: yeah06:11
jgeorgesondaniels: how?06:11
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fscjgeorgeson, yeah, that worked great.  the SendCoreEvents is the ticket...and when I had copy-n-pasted the synpatics section it had a "CorePointer" section in it two, that's why it failed.  thanks again06:11
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jgeorgesonfsc: no problem06:12
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danielsjgeorgeson: if you have a thinkpad x40, follow the instructions on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/x40/06:12
fscand with auto-hinter on, the fonts look great06:12
jgeorgesondaniels: drat, inspiron 260006:12
danielsjgeorgeson: they're a pretty good template for most other laptops too, though06:12
danielsyou just need to stuff around checking which modules need to be unloaded, etc06:13
jgeorgesoni can suspend, but the resume just powers down after a few seconds06:13
fscI've been working with linux since '97 and this is the first time I can say that the desktop looks gorgeous06:13
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elmayafsc how do you turn on auto-hinter?06:13
jgeorgesontrying to hibernate does nothing (no messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog, or anything, so i can't even debug)06:13
fscelmaya, it's in /etc/fonts/local.conf ....just uncomment the second on auto-hinter06:13
KazeNoBokushai read in the ubuntu review that it came with firefox 1.0PR, but it has 0.9.3, is there a reason? instability? i know when i tried 1.0PR on my windows box it had some problems06:13
fscelmaya, the section rather06:14
elmayafsc thanks i will try06:14
bob2KazeNoBokusha: it was downgraded due to instability, yeah06:14
fscand it's cool that Ubuntu are big python supporters.....I've been playing around with pygtk and I like what I see06:14
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SuperLagGood evening, folks.06:14
KazeNoBokushabob2, OK. what were the problems? in windows it would stop accepting certain keys as input06:14
bob2KazeNoBokusha: crashes06:15
eheiehbon soir superlag06:15
SuperLagThe default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up?06:15
bob2KazeNoBokusha: for instance, for some people, it would crash when you clicked javascript popup links06:15
jgeorgesondaniels: so you don't have hibernate, just suspend?06:15
KazeNoBokushabob2, oh wow, i haven't experienced crashes, except 0.9 on gentoo and 0.8 on windows06:15
WWSuperLag: Do you mean, for example, hw_random?06:15
SuperLagWW: that, and if I remember it right, pciehp and some others06:16
KazeNoBokushabob2, well perhaps it is linux specific? i've clicked such links without a problem06:16
WWSuperLag: ... and maybe something about yenta and i823560?06:16
SuperLagWW: wait a minute... isn't hw_random just the random number generator?06:16
bob2KazeNoBokusha: it only affected some people, but it hit on mac os X (at least), too06:16
jgeorgesonfsc: so what sort of stuff did you add for the synaptics stuff, just driver options?06:16
SuperLagWW: yeah, those too06:16
bob2KazeNoBokusha: apparently it's been fixed, but no one knows how or why06:16
KazeNoBokushabob2, so 1.0PR might be added again?06:17
danielsjgeorgeson: correct06:17
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SuperLagWW: I thought they might be loaded from modules.conf, but that doesn't seem to be the case.06:17
danielsjgeorgeson: but it uses so little battery it doesn't matter06:17
bob2KazeNoBokusha: not to warty, but to hoary, yes06:17
Amroclamont, nope it cant see wireless06:17
danielsjgeorgeson: it would take 160 hours to drain the battery; i'm comfortable with that06:17
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KazeNoBokushabob2, i assume hoary is what the next release will be called?06:17
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KazeNoBokushabob2, when's that due? sometime in march?06:17
WWSuperLag: I don't know the details, but I've been told that the errors are cosmetic.  Maybe the experts here can clarify.06:18
bob2KazeNoBokusha: yes, april06:18
KazeNoBokushabob2, OK, just in time for fanime ;) (not sure what they have to do with each other but, meh)06:18
WWSuperLag: You might also find information in bugzilla.06:18
SuperLagWW: well, I know the _why_... I just don't know what file lists the modules to be loaded at boot time.  That's the part that would fix it.  just remove/comment the relevant lines.06:19
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lamontAmroc: wanna send me details on the card?06:19
bob2KazeNoBokusha: fanime?06:19
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KazeNoBokushaok, next question of mine: how do i get all this laptop and RAID and LVM related stuff to stop loading at startup since i'm on a desktop machine that uses none of these, much less a battery?06:19
KazeNoBokushabob2, an anime convention in california06:19
KazeNoBokushabob2, in april06:19
pizbitBah, that didn't disable the vesafb modules from loading06:19
fscyeah, i don't need the RAID and LVM stuff either. and framebuffer and a bunch of other stuff....whereever the module list is06:20
fscdistros still confuse me with module stuff06:20
KazeNoBokushaabout the laptop/RAID/LVM stuff, i bet it's using resources06:20
SuperLagThe default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up? hw_random, pciehp, i82365, yenta are some examples... Gentoo will read /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 for a list of modules to be loaded (assuming you don't have hotplug enabled/installed).... does Ubuntu read a file also?  I'm just wanting to clean that up some.06:20
KazeNoBokushafsc, framebuffer is good for having higher resolution console06:20
pizbitKazeNoBokusha: I don't need that though, most people don't.06:21
WWSuperLag: OK, I'll be watching to see what answers you get here. I wouldn't mind cleaning up some of that stuff myself.06:21
fscKazeNoBokusha, i don't care about high-res in virtual consoles06:21
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pizbitKazeNoBokusha: Interferrs with nvidia drivers too apparently06:21
KazeNoBokushapizbit, ok then, i find it useful to view more boot messages though06:21
pizbitKazeNoBokusha: dmesg is good for that06:21
fscthe question is where is the modules list in ubuntu...every distro does module stuff differently.  I still get confused on how modules work06:21
KazeNoBokushadmesg? doesn't that not display all the messages?06:21
pizbit*shrug* It shows what I need to see06:22
pizbitBut anyway, how to get rid of the damned vesafb?:)06:22
KazeNoBokushawell i remember on debian it didn't for example show privoxy loading06:22
KazeNoBokushapizbit, recompile is the only way, right?06:22
KazeNoBokushaor maybe not...06:22
linux_mafiamy city is having an installfest, i want to push ubuntu as the (one of) distro to use, im sure i read a summary of what was so good about it somewhere, maybe osnews or something? unfortunately i think it was a ubuntu vs debian proper thread, not the angle i want to push, but it did highlight the best points, and counter arguments i may face, anyone know of the article/thread?06:22
pizbitKazeNoBokusha: Nah, they're modules so there should be an arguement to put on the kernel boot line06:23
bronsonlinux_mafia: Ubuntu just works.06:23
KazeNoBokushabronson, sorry, Slack already uses that line06:23
bob2KazeNoBokusha: dmesg is only ever kernel messages06:23
linux_mafiabronson, well i know that, you know that ....06:23
bronsonIn my experience, anyway.  Requires much less fiddling than Debian or Red Hat.06:23
KazeNoBokushajust go in #slackware and you'll hear tons of `Slack Jut Works'06:23
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: er, good point.06:23
KazeNoBokushaor `it Just Works'06:23
bronsonThough Slack, in my experience, doesn't really.  It takes a lot of configuration....06:24
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pizbitHrm, google suggests video=vesa:off06:24
KazeNoBokushawell, it's what they say, anyway06:24
KazeNoBokushamaybe it Just Works once you've configured it?06:25
elmayamm well i see no real difference :(06:25
bronsonUbunto: A Fine Default Install.06:25
bronsonmaybe that's not very catchy...06:25
KazeNoBokushareplace Fine with something more positive06:25
KazeNoBokushalike great06:25
KazeNoBokushaor sane06:25
KazeNoBokushaUbunto [sic] : Sane Defaults for Everyone!06:25
bronsonA Sane Default Install As Long As You Like Gnome.06:25
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pizbitHrm, does one need to run grub (with some arguments?) after changing the bootline?06:26
fsclet the desktop wars commence06:26
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KazeNoBokushawho wouldn't? those who like clutter? well if they really insist, gnome can be made to be cluttered, with some work06:26
bronsonfsc: good one!06:26
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: A lot of people confuse clutter with control.06:26
templestEr, Hey hey? Anyone care to help me get ubuntu to completely unload XFree, and preferably dump me into a terminal login instead of gdm? :)06:27
bronsontemplest: /etc/init.d/gdm stop06:27
KazeNoBokushai can control most everything i want with gnome, and for what i can't, i'd rather ask in irc and hunt up a man page than deal with KDE06:27
KazeNoBokushaotoh, Gnome has no `G3b'06:27
bronsonThere's some way of using update-rc.d to make it permanent.06:27
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fscI used to think that the KDE clutter was not that big of a deal and technically, I still think KDE is better, but about 8 months ago I accidently logged into Gnome and haven't looked back.  I just couldn't stand all the crap that KDE was throwing at me06:28
templestbronson: so if I restarted (or simply logged out), would it throw me into a terminal login?06:28
bronsonI wish there was a GUI for managing services.  Or, I wish I knew about it if there is.  :)06:28
KazeNoBokushaand `Gparted' isn't complete yet, either06:28
bob2templest: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm06:28
KazeNoBokushawhich is why knoppix makes a better cd than gnoppix, i hear06:28
bronsontemplest: the "stop" says stop now, doens't make it permanent.06:28
bronsonbob2: yeah, that's easiest.06:28
KazeNoBokushabronson, there is06:28
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KazeNoBokushai think06:28
linux_mafiabronson, there is, its just not included, you can get it06:28
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templest@bob2 & bronson: Thanks for the help. ;)06:29
archiMy desktop resolution is fixed at 60 hz, I really need to up that. Please let me know which file to edit06:29
KazeNoBokushaarchi, /etc/X11/XF86Config-406:29
WWSuperLag: Nothing yet?06:29
fscarchi, xfree86-4 probably. in /etc/X1106:29
fscor XF86Config-4 like KazeNoBokusha said06:30
linux_mafiabronson, http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/runlevel.jpg06:30
KazeNoBokushaarchi, but for me, ubuntu detected the manufacturer recommended defaults, it can do higher, of course, but dell thinks it would be unsafe06:30
KazeNoBokusha(dell made my monitor, or at least the casing)06:30
bronsonlinux_mafia: Hey groovy.  But I don't see a way of specifying runlevel...?06:30
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SuperLagWW: nope06:31
KazeNoBokushalinux_mafia, what app?06:31
KazeNoBokushalinux_mafia, aka what's the package name, or is it not in apt?06:31
SuperLagWW: <fabbione> SuperLag: it makes no difference other than for estetich06:31
archiIt didn't detect my monitor correctly06:31
archiwhat do I have to do to get the changes to take?06:32
KazeNoBokushaarchi, apt-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:32
bronsonI just wrote the kernel by hand howto.06:32
archiok thanks06:32
KazeNoBokushamake sure you have monitor specs on hand06:32
KazeNoBokushaand choose the advanced option06:32
bronsonBut there's something in there that bugs me...06:32
archiwell I just changed it by hand06:32
archiis that ok?06:32
bronsonDidn't the 2.4 kernel manage symlinks for you, keeping vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old up to date.06:32
bronson"make install" in 2.6 doesn't seem to do that.06:33
KazeNoBokushaarchi, what did you change?06:33
archithe frequencies06:33
archifor horizontal and verticle06:33
bronsonIt just drops the new vmlinuz into /boot and makes you update the symlinks by hand.06:33
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bronsonAm I missing something here?06:33
jgeorgesondaniels: so that grub option doesn't help me06:33
KazeNoBokushaarchi, well apt-reconfigure gives you more control, but do as you will06:33
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WWSuperLag: Sure, esthetics... and, for the next six months, questions here and in the mailing list every time a kernelly challenged newb like myself installs Ubuntu :-)06:33
danielsjgeorgeson: i've no idea, then -- try google?06:34
danielsit's different on every laptop06:34
jgeorgesonfsc: which features did you enable with the synaptics driver?06:34
SuperLagWW: kernelly challenged? o.O06:34
joemjamesh: around?06:34
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KazeNoBokushahow do i disable laptop and RAID and LVM stuff from starting up?06:34
jgeorgesondaniels: yeah, i've read over acpi.sf.net and on the linux-dell-laptops yahoo group and have come up with an impressive array of nuthin06:34
archido I want framebuffer device interface?06:34
KazeNoBokushaarchi, most likely06:35
WWSuperLag: "kernelly challenged" = ignorant06:35
jgeorgesonpretty irritating when the latitude c400 worked beatifully, including the BIOS hibernate function06:35
WWSuperLag: kernel-wise, anyway06:35
linux_mafiaKazeNoBokusha, sorry, doing other shit, not sure what app, just a part of gnome system tools iirc, googling would be in order i think ;)06:36
KazeNoBokushalinux_mafia, OK06:36
WWSuperLag: I guess Hoary will have a boot splash, and someone like me can remain blissfully ignorant.06:37
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Sup3rL4gWW: in my opinion, that's the wrong response.06:37
jgeorgesonWW: do you know if it will be like the suse bootsplash or RH's rhgb?06:38
jameshjoem: yeah.06:38
PizbitArgh ><06:38
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jdubjgeorgeson: it ends up being more like rhgb06:38
joemjamesh: got a quick question about a certain gnome-vfs behavior in ubuntu, figure you can probably answer it06:39
KazeNoBokushaweird, i'm running kernel 2.6.8, but the newest kernel in apt is 2.6.7 :(06:39
jdubjgeorgeson: but cooler than both (and definitely without kernel patch mania, like bootsplash)06:39
jgeorgesonjdub: nice, i think rhgb is much nicer (no real reason why though)06:39
WWSup3rL4g: Sure, but until kernel developers stop printing things like "error", "fatal", "wrong type", "bogus", etc during the boot, how is a newb supposed to know what's OK or what's broken?06:39
SuperL4gWW: remaining ignorant is never the right response06:39
PizbitAhh, there:)06:39
SuperL4gWW: read, and learn06:39
jameshjoem: I'll give it a shot :)06:39
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: You sure you're searching on linux-image, not kernel-image?06:39
KazeNoBokushai'm searching kernel-source06:40
jdubjgeorgeson: yeah, me too06:40
jgeorgesonSuperL4g: well, if everything is working, i'd rather have a pretty progress bar. when stuff breaks,i can turn it off and learn why06:40
KazeNoBokushaeven this mentions source 2.6.8 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto06:40
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: search on linux-source.06:40
KazeNoBokushaweird, you're right06:40
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joemjamesh: on other distros, I have noticed gnome-vfs with hal runs into trouble with nfs and lvm mounted partitions06:41
KazeNoBokushathe guide mentions kernel-source though, i don't know why. and i don't know why it's changed06:41
jameshjgeorgeson: rhgb also drops to the detailed view on some (most?) errors.06:41
bronsonkernel-source is Debian, linux-source is Ubunut.06:41
jgeorgesonjamesh: true06:41
jgeorgesonhehe, ubunut06:41
joemthe example in this case being nothing is shown in trash:// while ~/.trash is populated06:41
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: which guide?06:41
joemhttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156018 upstream bug06:41
SuperL4gany of you guys put 2.6.9 on your Ubuntu installs?06:41
KazeNoBokushabronson, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto06:41
jdubno, the default kernel tastes better06:41
bob2SuperL4g: ubuntu's kernel includes tooooooooooons of stuff not in kernel.org kernels06:42
KazeNoBokushajdub, especially when you add cheese06:42
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: Erm, I don't see it.  I should hope not because I just wrote that this morning.  :)06:42
joembut ubuntu doesn't have that problem, and was wondering if you knew where it was patched, if it was somehow pmount/policy related06:42
SuperL4gbob2: oh? do tell06:42
KazeNoBokushabronson, what don't you see?06:42
KazeNoBokushabronson, oh must be dislexia, you're right06:42
KazeNoBokushait does say linux-source06:42
bob2SuperL4g: patches for lots of hardware...I wouldn't move to 2.6.9 unless you want to go track down everything for your system manually06:43
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jameshjoem: our gnome-vfs isn't compiled with HAL support06:43
joemoh, well that would answer it then :)06:44
SuperL4gbob2: not on Ubuntu anyways. :)06:44
KazeNoBokushahere's a question: why does ubuntu not have a root account?06:44
joemthanks much jamesh 06:44
SuperL4gbob2: I updated to it on my Gentoo box, because there were a lot of fixes for my motherboard chipset.06:44
TreenaksKazeNoBokusha: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/06:44
jameshjoem: the HAL code in gnome-vfs isn't really finished yet, from what I have heard.06:45
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joemyea, thats what it is looking like. gnome-vfs only seems to do physical volume with hal06:46
taerok, just read about ubuntu on lwn.. amazing.. Easy question. I'm assuming the upgrade between versions will be easy like Debian?06:48
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bob2taer: yes06:48
bronsontaer: Debian -> Ubuntu, no.  Ubuntu -> Ubuntu, yes.06:48
KazeNoBokushaif i have an athlon xp, do i want linux-686?06:49
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: It should work, but it won't be optimized.06:49
bronson686 is 32 bit.06:49
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bob2KazeNoBokusha: no, k7.06:49
KazeNoBokushabronson, i have a 32 bit proc06:49
taerright.. I'm thinking of some remote server builds, and can't afford the costs of updates for a RHEL product. Was thinking debian, and then I hear of this. :)06:49
bob2bronson: so is a athlon xp.06:49
bronsonOK, it's late.  :)06:49
bronsonRight, XP wants K7.06:49
KazeNoBokushawhat's late? by xp, do you mean windows? if so, why would it want k7?06:50
bob2KazeNoBokusha: no one said anything about windows.06:50
eclipsehi, i'd like to know does ubuntu 4.10 use x.org or xfree?06:51
bronsonIt's late so I'm not thinking straight.  An Athlon XP is not 64 bit proc.06:51
linux_mafiano, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 6406:51
bob2eclipse: xfree86 4.3 + a ton of patches06:51
PizbitHrm, is it possible to get something smaller instead of "Applications Computer" intot he taskbar that gives the same menus?06:51
KazeNoBokushabob2, what's this about XP wants K7?06:51
bob2Pizbit: don't think so.06:51
KazeNoBokushaoh i see06:51
bob2KazeNoBokusha: Athlon XP.06:51
PizbitArgh, crazy talk:)06:51
eclipsedoes it use rpm or apt-get?06:51
KazeNoBokushak7 is not athlon 6406:51
bob2eclipse: apt.06:51
bob2KazeNoBokusha: right.06:52
bob2eclipse: it's based on Debian, remember.06:52
KazeNoBokusha<linux_mafia> no, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 6406:52
eclipseok, nice06:52
KazeNoBokushahe seems to think otherwise06:52
bob2KazeNoBokusha: what is wrong with what linux_mafia said?06:52
linux_mafiaKazeNoBokusha, thats what i said06:52
bronsonwho me?  I tried to correct myself way back up there.  :)06:52
eclipseit's so much easier to install apps with apt than freaking dep. hell rpm06:52
KazeNoBokushabob2, he said that k7 is athlonx 6406:53
Pizbiteclipse: You're syaing that knowing fullwell there's apt for rpm right?:)06:53
linux_mafiabob2, apart from a missing comma probably for simplification/seperation06:53
bronsonKazeNoBokusha: don't listen to me!!!06:53
bob2KazeNoBokusha: no, no one ever said that06:53
bob2linux_mafia: yeah06:53
bob2KazeNoBokusha: there should be a comma between "xp" and "k8", but it was still pretty clear06:54
KazeNoBokushaok never mind06:54
linux_mafiabob2, i assume k7 == sempron too?06:54
eclipseman, i tried to install apt for suse 9.1 but it wouldn't06:54
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eclipsedep. hell06:54
bob2linux_mafia: I don't know06:54
bob2I think sempron is the replacement for duron, so I guess so06:55
tiagobugarinhello all!06:55
bob2dep hell comes from idiots making packages06:55
xskoulaxhi tiagobugarin06:55
bob2rpm could avoid it as well as Debian can06:55
eclipsebob2:i'm with u man06:55
Pizbiteclipse: Of course, nothing beats apt on a debian based system:)06:55
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linux_mafiabob2, hmmm, cause they have  a socket 754 sempron, and a socket 9something sempron too06:56
eclipsei tried to install mplayer for suse 9.1 and i almost went crazy trying to get it installed06:56
linux_mafiaeclipse, packman packages?06:56
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bob2linux_mafia: oh, sounds like 64-bit then?06:56
eclipsemafia: what;s that?06:57
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tiagobugarini have pluged a friends hd at my ide2 and i want to know how to have the system to scan it, detect it's bootable systems and configure grub. anyone? i have noticed that after a kernel instalation it do this things automagically06:57
eclipseby the way, anyone noticed that xmms on linux sounds better than winamp on windows?06:58
sp0rki seem to have a problem with video playback in Totem, on ubuntu AMD64...specifically, i can't get a single video to play back..it's all black.  I've tried divx, xvid, various mpegs, wmvs, etc...all of these work in totem under gentoo so i know it's possible on an amd64 - any ideas?06:58
sp0rkeclipse, nope =P06:58
linux_mafiabob2, no i think they want people who get the top end sempron, there is only one socket 9xx sempron, too go "oh, i have the mobo to support a 64 bit chip, and this isn't fast to send an email, i may as well have a 64 bit"06:59
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, unless you use dee3 with winamp, i wish there were something similar for xmms or rhythmbox :(06:59
bob2sp0rk: read the FAQ06:59
eclipselol...reason y is i'm an audiophile guy and i do notice the diff.06:59
bob2sp0rk: install totem-xine06:59
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, besides, they are just decoding the mp3 and outputting it to the speakers, if you don't enhance the sound, it should sound the same06:59
sp0rkeclipse, i do know that it's easier to max our certain channels under linux and get minor distortion07:00
KazeNoBokushaas in, exactly the same07:00
DespairKazeNoBokusha: drivers do different things07:00
eclipsei guess xmms has better decoders07:00
Despairmixer settings.07:00
Despairand yes, the mp3 decoders vary.07:00
KazeNoBokushathen it's not winamp or xmms, it's the kernel07:00
eclipsejust like wmp sounds better than winamp07:00
KazeNoBokushahmm, well i don't know then07:00
sp0rkeclipse, i think its qualitative on your end man =P07:01
Despairmost musicians & audio programmers I know think libmad sounds better than most other mp3 decoders07:01
KazeNoBokushai really wish there were a sound enhancer like dee3 on linux07:01
Despairfor whatever that's worth. :)07:01
eclipsei can use that with xmms?07:01
Despairyeah. xmms-mad plugin07:01
eclipseDespair: r u running ubuntu?07:03
sp0rkbtw, i really dig ubuntu.  gj to all the devs07:04
eclipselike it?07:04
Despairit's got it's rough spots, but yes, I do.07:05
eclipsealright that's cool07:05
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eclipsei used the beta like a few weeks ago but i didn't like that much cause it had some bugs07:06
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eclipsecan u use xfs filesystem on the current ubuntu?07:07
sp0rkit's a beta, eclipse, it's going to have some bugs =P07:07
Despaireclipse: I think I have xfstools installed. I installed ext3, going for least surprises.07:07
jdubeclipse: if you have to.07:07
danielseclipse: yes, but if it's your root partition, the installer will freze07:07
danielsupstream grub/xfs bug07:08
eclipsethat's what i heard too07:08
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eclipsei have to run lilo if u want to use xfs07:08
Pizbit*sigh* nvidia drivers still unstable with 2.6 ahh well, shit happens NvAgp=0 again07:09
KazeNoBokushagrr, linux crashes and windows doesn't.  i'm pretty sure by now that it is because of my video card, as what happens is the screen will go to sleep till i switch resolutions, and when it comes back, it is often all corrupted.07:09
sp0rkhuh?  I run the nvidia drivers with a 2.6 kernel..07:09
Pizbitsp0rk: Mine locks up/reboots my machine when using the card extensively, such as watching tv07:10
eclipsekaze, what card do u have?07:10
sp0rkPizbit, mine works perfectly well...weird.  That's on gentoo, though07:10
sp0rki haven't tried them in ubuntu07:10
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, and All In Wonder Radeon...it's PCI, SDR SGRAM, with a Radeon 7200 chipset07:10
Pizbitsp0rk: This is debian-sarge/sid and ubuntu07:10
PizbitVarious 2.6.x kernels.07:11
sp0rkThough my card doesn't have TV-in, so if there's a bug there I wouldn't have to swat at it07:11
eclipsei know that they don't have good ati drivers for linux07:11
PizbitI don't have that either.07:11
eclipseby the way, can u install nvidia driver onto ubuntu?07:12
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sp0rkeclipse, sure, you might have to do it by hand, but its possible.07:12
sp0rkit *is* linux, after all07:12
bronsoneclipse: the answer is in the wiki.07:12
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, actually, i'm not using radeon drivers, ati provides them only for 8500 and up, i'm using built in X module, that's as far as my radeon specific support goes.07:12
eclipsei think nvidia driver works perfectly without hacking is when ur running rh, suse, or mandrake07:13
eclipseok, have to tried to look up drivers online?07:14
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=== Pizbit is using the latest nvidia drivers off their site.
eclipsekaze, u should try to look it up on google or something07:14
jdubthe nvidia and ati drivers are available in ubuntu already07:15
sp0rkeclipse, since i was curious i looked it up myself: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=nvidia07:15
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, no, there are no drivers for a card old as mine, you see07:15
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, it's just what's built into X07:15
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eclipseol i c07:16
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xinelwell ive been reading the forums and i can't find an answer for my sound problem :(07:17
eclipsespork, but it's a hacked nvidia driver07:17
sp0rk"hacked" ?07:18
eclipsecause u can't install it if u d/l of nvidia.com07:18
KazeNoBokushawho are the three people in the ubuntu artwork?07:19
sp0rkso...whats wrong with it being adapted if it still works?07:19
eclipsejust wanted to let u know07:20
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xinelcannot get my sound card to work or my onboard sound07:20
sp0rkand i'm pretty sure you can install the driver right off of nvidia.com, it might not be easy, but you can do it.07:21
sp0rki don't know what you would want to - it's always better to use the system's package manager to install stuff.07:22
jdubwhy do you want the non-ubuntu nvidia driver?07:22
sp0rki don't.07:22
KazeNoBokushayeah, why? ubuntu not good enough? you feel strange urges to use non-Free software? what's the matter with you?07:22
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DespairWhat's the work around for nvidia-settings crashing on amd64? Don't see that in the ubuntu wiki.07:23
eclipseoh, can u log in as root in ubuntu?07:23
bob2eclipse: yes, but not by default07:24
sp0rkDespair, anything you can set in nvidia-settings you can also manually set in /etc/X11/XF86Config07:24
Despairbut not on the fly07:24
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eclipseXF86Config-4 to be exact07:24
KazeNoBokushabob2, yeah, the faq isn't very helpful either. for the question `how do i become root?' it just says use sudo and says nothing about enabling root07:24
Despairthink you can do it with env vars, too, though.07:24
cadamhey all sorry for the incoming noob questions but I've never used a debian based distro before and have some questions before I take the dive07:25
bob2KazeNoBokusha: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo07:25
jdubeclipse: you can't log in as root, but you can get to a root shell with sudo -s (or just run things normally with sudo)07:25
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jdubcadam: fire away, don't ask to ask ;)07:25
eclipsejdub: that sucks07:25
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cadamhow do you get the nvidia drivers to work out of the box? (I've only ever compiled my own each time)07:26
jdubeclipse: it's great!07:26
eclipsethat's the reason y i tried ubuntu once and threw the burned cd away07:26
jdubeclipse: you mean, you couldn't figure out how to set root's password, so you gave up?07:26
bob2eclipse: that's stupid07:26
KazeNoBokushabob2, i don't need it, i'm just saying the faq's not helpful when it's supposed to answer the question `How do I use the root account?'07:26
bob2eclipse: http://www.postgresql.org/news/231.html07:26
cadamI meant compiled my own kernel each time07:27
bob2eclipse: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo07:27
jdubdisabling root is rocking07:27
bob2cadam: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:27
eclipseeveryone in here should try KANOTIX linux07:27
bob2is that Yet Another Knoppix CLone?07:27
eclipsei know that but why can't i log in as root?07:27
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PizbitYou can.07:27
cadamoooo well that helps07:27
bob2eclipse: because you didn't enable the root account07:27
jdubeclipse: by default? because we've set it up a better way so you don't have to. but you can change that if you can07:27
opieclipse: because it's diabled07:27
jdub't handle it.07:27
bob2eclipse: read the URL I just gave you07:27
bob2cadam: no need to compile anything!07:28
eclipsei own the damn system right so i should have the right 07:28
bob2eclipse: then enable it.07:28
bob2eclipse: everyone wins!07:28
jdubeclipse: erm, you do.07:28
opieclipse: every heard about sudo?07:28
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opieclipse: you can even do sudo -s to get root shell07:28
jdubeclipse: perhaps asking questions before flaming would help.07:28
eclipseyeah, sudo -S apt-get07:29
opieclipse: READ something, ok?07:29
opieclipse: sudo -s07:29
jdubflaming is off-topic for this channel ;-)07:29
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bob2unless it's of daniels 07:29
eclipsei prob. know more than u, opi07:29
opieclipse: oh, oh 07:29
KazeNoBokushawhy does everyone say athalon?07:29
sp0rkthis is getting ugly.07:29
KazeNoBokushaand spell it that way, to boot07:29
opieclipse: if you know so mutch, stop asking stupid questions, ok?07:30
opieclipse: start by reading FAQ and Wiki07:30
bob2eclipse: chill, dude07:30
bronsonjdub: I instigated this very discussion last night...07:30
sp0rkjust so you know, eclipse, the nvidia driver works PERFECTLY in ubuntu, "hacked" or not.07:30
eclipsedid i ask u?07:30
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bronsonjdub: I'm afraid we'll continue to see it until "WHY" no root login is answered in the faq...07:30
opieclipse: and it's you not u, mister smart guy ;->07:30
eclipsethat's what i thought07:30
bob2eclipse: please calm down.  if you want to login as root, you can; read the URL I gave  you.07:30
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bob2bronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo has a "why".07:31
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eclipseever heard of shortcut?07:31
eclipsei guess ur too dump to figure that out 07:31
sp0rktoo dump, indeed07:31
bronsonbob2: I know.  But it needs to be in the FAQ.07:31
cadamhow are the fonts?07:31
bob2eclipse: can you stop being so aggressive and "dump"?07:31
jdubno more of this thanks07:31
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, yes, he's too dump07:31
jdubcadam: great07:31
sp0rkjdub, i think it's pretty entertaining, actually07:32
KazeNoBokushai hate dump people, always going through my trash07:32
bob2jdub: ok to add a link from the faq to the "benfits" section of the wiki?07:32
jdubsp0rk: it's not appropriate for this channel07:32
cadamok cool that's my main complaint in slackware07:32
jdubbob2: sure07:32
jdubbob2: we should probably shift that all to the website or something though07:32
sp0rkjdub, i agree, but still man...he called the guy "dump"07:32
opisp0rk: ;->07:32
bob2jdub: hm, that sounds more like a non-bob2 job07:33
eclipseok, i guess i gotta jet cuz these geeks r too stupid07:33
sp0rksometimes you just gotta let them get all their adolecent aggression out and sit back and laugh07:33
jdubbob2: and non-jdub job ;)07:33
KazeNoBokushaeclipse, that or they're just having fun at your expense07:33
jdubhowever entertaining it might be07:33
jdubplease don't encourage it07:33
opiyes, we know, we know07:33
KazeNoBokushaerr, sorry07:33
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jdubit only results in escalation, which is not what we want07:34
opibut if something starts from ,,I know more than u''07:34
jdubopi: no but.07:34
opiok, sorry :)07:34
cadamok just a question07:34
sp0rki had a bad feeling about him the first minute i read something he typed07:34
TheMusoIt could also result in the loss of one or more possible users of Ubuntu.07:34
cadamwhy include all the python stuff but not gcc?07:34
jdubcadam: gcc is supported, and on the cd, but not installed by default07:34
bob2cadam: it's on the CD, tho.07:34
opicadam: Python is requred by few things07:34
sp0rkcadam, python is an interpreted language, some of the stuff installed by default requires a working installation of python07:35
opicadam: while you don't need GCC if you're not going to compile anything07:35
cadamah ok07:35
sp0rkpython programs are a differnt beast than, say, a c program07:35
cadammakes sense07:35
cadamyeah I know I program in both07:35
opilucky you :)07:35
jdubcadam: (it ends up being a policy issue -> many people would not want a compiler available on a default desktop install, etc.)07:35
cadamI was just wondering why all the python stuff by default07:35
jdubcadam: the python stuff is all there because we intend to make ubuntu live and breathe python :)07:36
Pizbitmmmm python:)07:36
cadampython is good07:36
opicadam: Im reading python docs atm ;)07:36
PizbitThere's python bindings for gnome2.8 isn't there?07:36
jdubPizbit: yes, all there by default07:36
sp0rkPizbit, yup07:36
opiPizbit: GTK, you mean?07:36
cadamI actually just started programming python about a month ago07:36
Pizbitopi: Nah, gnome07:36
opicadam: I have it on my TODO list, but my projects at work are killing me :(07:37
cadamany god-like books on python out there :)?07:37
jdubcadam: 'dive into python'07:37
x4mdive into python07:37
opiPizbit: ok, Im not mutch into Gnome, so I asked07:37
cadamI have Learning Python and Python Cookbook07:37
cadamwhat's good in dive into python?07:37
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tritiumAre the "shipit" CDs already shipping?07:37
bob2tritium: no, they'll reach you in ~month07:38
tritiumbob2: Great!07:38
cadamalright I'll install tomorrow07:39
cadamright now I'm going to sleep07:39
cadamthanks for all the help07:39
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WWHello world.07:41
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WorldHello WW07:41
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bob2ubuntuised, WW?07:41
WWQuick question: how do I customize the Applications menu? (I know I can use Nautilus, I just forget the protocol.)07:41
bob2er, : not L07:42
Despairjdub: same for twisted framework?07:42
WWbob2: Ah, that's it. Thanks.07:42
bob2twisted is installed by default?07:42
WWbob2: (clever name)07:42
WWbob2: applications, that is. And... what color was G.W.'s white horse?07:42
bronsonbob2: hit ^L and type in applications/// ?07:43
bronsonDidn't work for me.  (I'm using Spatial)07:43
bob2WW: brown?07:43
bronsongot it.07:43
bronsonNeeds a colon.07:43
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bob2hm, and it actually works07:43
bob2I've never actually used it07:43
Gmailok so i should delete ./.g*? becuse i dont want my xchat setting to be lost (in case i dont stay with irssi)?07:44
WWHmmm... It is "applications:///" with the quotes?07:44
bob2WW: no07:45
bob2ctrl-l applications:///<enter>07:45
GmailWW: it should be applications:/07:45
Gmailthere are to many // there07:45
Gmailwell at lest in gnome 2.6 on debian07:45
WWIt tells me applications is not a registered protocol.07:46
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bob2it worked for me right now07:47
bronsonWW: you're entering into Nautilus and not a web browser right?07:48
GmailWW: install the package beging with mime*07:48
Gmailwhich should be mime-type-support mime-ubuntu ....07:48
WWbronson: I just figured that out...  (where's that icon that means "embarassed"...?)07:49
bronsonYeah, I needed that 20 minutes ago myself...07:50
WWBy the way, pretty cool animation at NCSA (which is where you end up if you enter applications/ in Firefox)07:50
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Gmailwhat does application:/// do it firefox07:54
bob2Gmail: it says "wow, that's not a valid url, let's google it."07:55
Gmaili did rm -r ./.g* and gnome STILL doesnt start07:57
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Gmailis there any other old profile files that start with something other than g?07:57
Gmailfilesafe gnome also doesnt start gnome07:59
WWI have a program (matlab) that I can run from the command line (with &) and it shows a graphics splash and then opens its own window.08:00
WWNever mind, I'll do some more reading and ask later...08:01
bob2Gmail: create a new user. can they login?08:01
Gmaili enabled root by sudo root passwd or was it sudo passwd root, and i cant use it to login using gdm. there is an option in gdm config to not allow root to login08:02
bob2don't login to gnome as root08:02
bob2just don't.08:02
Gmailis there a nobody user in ubuntu that i can use bob2?08:02
bob2what are you trying to do now?08:03
bob2if you're doing what I said, read it again08:03
bob2"create a new user"08:03
Gmailor does someone want to sorten up man add-user for me08:03
bob2"adduser id10t"08:04
Gmailbob2: why cant i use nobody it not like he has a profile08:04
bob2because that's not what the nobody user is for08:04
Gmailbob2: and i can change id10t to what ever i want08:04
Gmailwell that what it was for in manbrake to login as anon-e-mouse08:05
Gmailok i added test08:07
Gmaili loged in it using gdm, it goes to a bronish screen just like with my normal account08:08
Gmailbtw with my normal user i cound login just it will goto a bronwish screen no bootsplash08:09
Gmaili can move my mouse08:09
bob2bootsplash has nothing to do with logging in08:09
bob2in fact, ubuntu doesn't have bootsplash at all08:09
Gmailyea yea08:09
PizbitI think Gmail means a login splash08:10
bob2you're just confusing the issue by using incorrect jargon08:10
bob2Pizbit: I know08:10
bob2Gmail: how long do you want?08:10
bob2er, wait.08:10
Gmailthe splah screen that shows when you login in gdm after 3 seconds08:10
Gmailit doesnt show at all in any of my users08:11
bob2yes, leave it for a few minutes.08:11
Gmaili am not on a p2 i am on a p4 2.8Ghc HT PRESCOT on debian it take 4 seconds to login AT MAX08:12
cef_workok 'can't open dev/console' just after pivot-root on amd64... on the release iso08:12
bob2Gmail: just chill out and leave it for a few minutes.08:12
Gmailcef_work: i had the same problem with debian and a 2.6 kernel report a bug08:13
bob2Gmail: there's a bug with some sound cards where it can take a while.08:13
cef_workGmail: is there are workaround? this is a new install08:13
Gmailhasnt it been a few min08:13
cef_workare = a08:13
bob2Gmail: just chill, you need to stop panicking so much.  let it sit for a while.08:14
Gmailcef_work: i installed from d-i alpha sid nightly 6-8 mounts ago08:14
Gmailcef_work: but it is a fixed bug now08:14
cef_workGmail: in debian perhaps.. but this is ubuntu08:15
Gmailcef_work: maybe goto #debian-boot and tell them you are having the same problem as Gmail/GNU-Debian08:15
Gmailcef_work: ubuntu uses d-i08:16
bob2Gmail: are you on amd64?08:16
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Gmailbob2: on p408:16
Daidojihello !08:16
cef_workbob2: I'm on amd64..08:16
bob2Gmail: then why do you think it's the same problem?08:16
Gmaili had the same error message08:16
WWIn a terminal, the environment variable DISPLAY is :0.0.  Will DISPLAY be defined for a program run from a launcher in the Applications Menu?08:16
bob2cef_work: yeah.  mithrandir or Kamion are the people to bug, but both are asleep atm...08:16
Gmailthey told me it goto do with / before dev/console08:16
bob2WW: yes.08:16
WWbob2: OK, thanks.08:17
Gmailcef_work: you are sure it doesnt show /dev/console and only shows dev/console ?08:17
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Gmaildev/console should be /dev/console giving you the whole error08:18
Gmailbob2: btw the error he is having is not a hardware related08:19
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L3th3M_hi o all!08:19
Daidoji*(could someone help me about an internet connection pb with ubuntu please ^^ ?)08:19
Gmailgnome still hasnt loaded08:19
Daidojihi L3th3M_08:19
L3th3M_I have a bug!08:19
L3th3M_on my ubuntu fist time-installed08:19
GmailL3th3M_: report it to bugzilla08:19
bob2L3th3M_: what's the problem?08:20
bronsonDaidoji: why not just ask?08:20
GmailL3th3M_: first say it here08:20
GmailDaidoji: you use PPPoE? then use pppoeconf08:20
bob2Daidoji: what's the problem?08:21
Daidojibronson : don't want ennoye everyone :P. I have a sagem fast 800 usb modem, and couldn't find how i could use it on my ubuntu08:21
L3th3M_when I want open any configuration tools (so synaptic, network, etc)...08:21
L3th3M_the system ask me the root password08:21
bob2Daidoji: does it use the eagle drivers?08:21
L3th3M_I give it08:21
PizbitHrm, *much* impoved 'open with' :)08:21
bob2L3th3M_: no it doesn't, it asks for *your* password08:21
L3th3M_but It say me that the password i wrong08:21
bob2L3th3M_: it's not a bug, it's a feature08:21
bronsonDaidoji: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html08:21
Daidojierf... it's the first time for me to use really a gnome desktop, and i am afraid i am lose in it :( ... Eagle driver ?08:22
L3th3M_If I open configuration tool by terminal08:22
bob2Daidoji: have you used linux before?08:22
L3th3M_it ask me the password root, I give it, and don be problem08:22
Gmailbob2: it cound be a bug it he is login in as root i saw it since 2.4 but it just a gksu problem08:22
Daidojibob2 : yes, a little. below average user i 'll say.08:22
bronsonDaidoji: click on the link.  Hope you can read French.  ;)08:22
bob2L3th3M_: what do you mean, "by terminal"?08:22
Daidojibronson : thank for the link, i'll see it:)08:22
bob2L3th3M_: anyway, when you run synaptic from the menu, it asks for your password, not root's.08:23
Daidojibronson : i am french, so no pb :)08:23
bronsonDaidoji: looks like the Eagle driver is included in 2.6.08:23
L3th3M_I chilean08:23
bob2Daidoji: I belive ubuntu includes the drivers you need...08:23
GmailL3th3M_: chilean?08:23
bob2Daidoji: hrm, maybe not.08:23
Daidojion the device panel, i see my modem08:24
L3th3M_I most write user password for the system opening the synaptic08:24
Daidojibut on 'new connection' no usb device access :(08:24
bob2L3th3M_: yes.08:24
bob2Daidoji: have you tried running the "pppoeconf" program in a terminal?08:24
Gmailbob2: gnome ******STILL******* hasnt started08:24
bob2Gmail: chill, dude, you don't need to panic08:25
Gmailshould i modconf the driver for my sound?08:25
Daidojibob2 : no, because i've no seen the /dev/usb thing ^^;;... but i'll try asap. (re-run my comp, see you later. Thanks :) )08:25
Gmailthen restart x08:25
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Gmailwtf ubuntu doesnt have modconf???????????08:26
Gmaili tried apt-get ing it08:26
bob2Gmail: dude, really, calm down08:26
bob2Gmail: modconf is broken, but in universe.08:27
Gmaili am calm08:27
bob2it may work for you.08:27
bob2you're not acting calm.08:27
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bob2yes, I'm australian too, but you're unlike any other australian I've ever spoken to08:27
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bob2so, chill out.08:27
bob2is your sound working?08:27
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Gmailbob2: australia is mad up of wirod people i am one of them08:28
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Gmailbob2: no i need to modconf the driver08:28
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bob2no, it's not made up of "wirod" people at all.08:28
Gmailso univ... i must get it from/08:28
bob2no, you don't need modconf.08:28
bob2why do you think your sound isn't working?08:29
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angadHey guys, I am a very inexperienced linux user, and I need help with my sound properties.  FOr some reason, I cannot seem to modify my bass/treble settings in volume control.  Everytime I move the bars up/down, nothing happens.  What could be causing this?08:29
bob2are you sure your sound driver supports that?08:29
Gmailbob2: yes the house next door the people in there NEVER ware cothes if that not wirod then WTF08:29
cef_workaha, it's not putting the 3ware driver in the initrd08:30
angadHi bob, I think so.  I have soundblaster with a surround system.08:30
danielsGmail: if you're calm and rational, it's a lot easier to find help08:30
Gmailbob2: because i havent modconf the driver yet08:30
cef_workanyone here manually inserted stuff into the initrd during an install?08:30
bob2Gmail: no, how do you know it isn't working?08:30
cef_workdaniels: afternoon08:30
Gmailno distro ever has deteched my sound driver08:30
danielscef_work: hey dude08:30
angadcef, were you talking to me?08:31
bob2cef_work: if you jump to the console (alt-f2) and modprobe it, it should get stuck in the initrd08:31
bob2er, during the install08:31
bob2Gmail: what driver does it use?08:31
Gmailbob2: ubuntu is going to be the first distro to detech it08:31
cef_workdaniels: trying to install a dual-opteron system atm08:31
Gmailbob2: wirod one that i can remember is i cound use modconf08:31
PizbitAnyone know if there's a way to recursively apply a background to the nautilus windows?08:32
Gmaili = if08:32
bob2daniels: cef_work btw, did that guy with the the little embedded machines organise a group order?08:32
GmailPizbit: goto prefrences08:32
cef_workbob2: well the driver is loaded and was loaded last time. it's not in the initrd, otherwise it wouldn't complain that it can't pivot-root and therefore couldn't open dev/console08:32
PizbitGmail: I don't want it for all directories, just recusively for the ones I choose.08:32
angadI have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?08:32
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Android16my server been hacked08:33
cef_workangad: nope08:33
bob2cef_work: hm, I guess I'm wrong, I thought it picked it up automatically08:33
cef_workbob2: it SHOULD.. the problem is, it doesn't seem to be working08:33
Gmailcef_work: it should be /dev/console and not dev/console08:33
bob2cef_work: ah, sorry for wasting your time :)08:33
cef_workGmail: when your cwd is /, it makes no difference08:33
Gmailcef_work: just goto #debian-boot and tell them that you have the same problem i had08:33
Android16never thought my server would be important enough to be hacked08:33
Gmailcef_work: well that not what #debian-boot told me08:34
cef_workGmail: this IS that issue.. this is WHY..08:34
joemAndroid16: at least you got a polite note08:34
Android16was quite surprised this morning08:34
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Android16like the picture08:34
joemI doubt it was anything but a bot that did it08:35
cef_workGmail: dev/console (or /dev/console) can't be opened cos pivot-root failed. ie: there is no /dev directory to switch the console to08:35
Gmailcef_work: there is a way of fixinf it that #debian-boot told me BUT they said it was a hell of alot easier to reinstall with a newer version of d-i08:35
Gmailcef_work: excatly08:35
bob2Gmail: dude, he's using ubuntu08:35
bob2Gmail: there is no newer version to use08:35
cef_workGmail: there is also a way to fix it in the install process08:35
Gmailbob2: ubuntu uses d-i08:36
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Gmailcef_work: and #debian-boot know howto and Kamion isnt here to help you08:36
angadI have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?08:36
bob2Gmail: yes, I know that, but how does it help? he can't switch to a "newer version of d-i", since there isn't one.08:36
cef_workGmail: and since I'm using the release version, I'd like to know so I can add it to the FAQ and stop anyone else asking08:37
cef_workGmail: and I'm QUITE aware of the how behind d-i.. i've just forgotten how to manually install modules into the initrd during the install process08:37
Gmailbob2: i know but #debian-boot said there is a way of fixing it but its a lot harder than just reinatlling using kernel 2.6 which was in a later d-i08:37
bob2Gmail: he's using 2.608:38
cef_workGmail: and if I go ito debian-boot and ASK a q, and they ask 'are you using ubuntu' and I say yes, they'll say 'fuck off, this is #debian-boot not #ubuntu-boot - get ubuntu people to do your support08:38
Gmailbut #debian-boot told me howto manuily do it and install module to interd during install...08:39
cef_workGmail: it's like going into #debian and asking Knoppix questions - just say no!08:39
Gmailcef_work: but its a d-i question08:40
Gmaild-i is not u-i or something like that08:40
Gmailif you want d-i help #debian-boot can help you but if you ubuntu help only #ubuntu and ##inux will help ya08:41
danielsbob2: i dunno08:41
bob2haha ##linux08:41
Gmail##linux helped me08:41
Gmailit like #gnome on irc.gimpnet.org helping you for gnome even thou you are using ubuntu08:42
bob2yes, but you've just said it's an ubuntu-specific problem08:42
GmailIT not a ubuntu problem08:43
Gmailits a d-i problem 08:43
Gmailso if you want help on d-i goto #debian-boot08:43
bob2*sigh*, whatever08:43
angadI have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?08:43
Treenaksthe fact that there's an OSS emulation layer for ALSA?08:44
Gmailangad: did you already ask this yesterday? or was it someone else08:44
angadGmail, this is my first day on linux08:44
Gmailmaybe add it to the FAQ08:44
Treenaksthe mixer tries both, and can't "see" it's an emulated mixer08:44
angadTreenaks, what do I do sabout that?08:44
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Treenaksangad: file a bug08:45
Daidojipppoeconf is for ethernet, my pb is with an usb modem :P08:45
Gmailangad: i hope you where on BSD before08:45
angadthanks Treenak08:45
angadgmail, I was on windows until today08:45
Gmailhey Treenaks 08:45
TreenaksDaidoji: uh.. USB modem modem or USB ADSL or Cable modem-thing08:45
Dashivaangad, it's normal, the oss (tritech) mixer is linked to the Audigy (alsa) mixer for compatibility with older apps08:45
Gmailangad: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK winblows08:45
Treenakshi gmail08:45
angadhaha, amen gmail08:45
Treenaksangad: well, reporting bugs will get them fixed here, unlike the Windows case :)08:46
bob2Gmail: chill out, please.08:46
angadhaha, great treenaks.  I'll get to it right away08:46
danielsGmail: please try to be constructive, less distracting, and lose the caps.  thanks.08:46
Gmailok gnome still hasnt started and its *30min* already08:46
DaidojiTreenaks : ok. But pppoeconf found only an eth0 (i have an ethernet card, so ok), but nothing from the modem usb :(08:46
Dashivaso if you change something one it should change in the other08:46
TreenaksDaidoji: what kind of USB modem is it? ADSL? cable? dial-in?08:46
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TreenaksGmail: what's happening?08:47
DaidojiTreenaks : F@st sagem 800, usb modem ADSL (in France)08:47
xskoulaxBSOD - Black Screen of Doh!08:47
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GmailTreenaks: gnome doesnt start i added another user and tried to login but it just goes to a brownish screen (the bg) and i wait08:47
TreenaksDaidoji: there probably isn't a driver included in Ubuntu08:48
TreenaksGmail: what does 'ps auxwww' tell you?08:48
TreenaksGmail: and top?08:48
GmailDaidoji: get a new ethernet modem08:48
DaidojiTreenaks : erf... when i search for 'eagle' string, i found a .ko on a subfolder of the usb driver. perhaps i must copypaste it on the upfolder ?08:48
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bob2Gmail: if you can't be helpful, please be quiet.08:48
DaidojiGmail : i can't :-08:48
TreenaksDaidoji: it should load automatically08:49
GmailERROR: configlet format options08:49
TreenaksDaidoji: what do you mean with "on a subfolder of the usb driver"? where exactly did you look?08:49
GmailTreenaks: can i pm you a /exec -o ps auxwww for you to get the whole thing08:49
TreenaksDaidoji: /lib/modules/ ?08:49
TreenaksGmail: noo!!08:49
DaidojiTreenaks : i looked for a eagle-start, or eagle-conf, but found nothing with 'eagle' that is link to usb or bin (a part the .ko)08:49
DaidojiTreenaks : yes08:50
GmailTreenaks: okay08:50
TreenaksDaidoji: uh.. if the driver is supported, it should have loaded automatically.08:50
TreenaksDaidoji: does USB work at all?08:50
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Gmailygnome: i have a p4 2.8GHz PRESCOTT HT 1mb cache08:50
bronsonDaidoji: Did you browse around the wiki on that link I sent you?08:50
bronsonThere was a ton of good stuff on there.08:51
DaidojiTreenaks : erf... yes my mouse and keyboard works well. the indicator on my modem are on standby (wait for soft init)08:51
bronsonIt looks like a fairly mature project.08:51
Daidojibronson : yes.08:51
GmailTreenaks == helpful and caring08:51
GmailTreenaks == helpful caring and always VERY busy08:51
cef_workbob2: seems that the installer doesn't realise that 3w-9xxx is a scsi block device module, so doesn't add it to the initrd (assuming the initrd is dynamically created, which for some reason may not be the case)08:51
Daidojibronson : but like i forgot to wrote it on something, could you please regive it to me ? ^^;;08:51
TreenaksGmail: if you do ps auxwww, you see processes under your user name08:52
Gmailcef_work: do you have pata emalation terned on??08:52
TreenaksGmail: you can /exec -o ps auxwww | grep yourusername :)08:52
TreenaksGmail: privately :)08:52
cef_workGmail: no08:52
cef_workGmail: and I have no intention of turning it on08:52
bronsonDaidoji: sure.  But I found another one first.  :)08:53
Daidojibronson : i look at it, thanks :)08:53
bronsonHere's the first link.  http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html08:53
bob2cef_work: ahh08:53
bronsonDaidoji: make sure to click on the link in the third comment.08:54
cef_workbob2: so I'm guessing either it's the kernel image, or simply a config file in the installer08:54
Daidojibronson : oki, thanks :)08:54
duke|ibhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507 <-- how would i apply this patch? :E08:54
WWAnother quickie: The Computer menu can't be edited, correct?08:55
WWjdub: Thanks.08:56
Daidojiin fact, i must reinstall the eagle driver then :S. but why is it a eagle.ko in a subfolder of the usb driver then ? Oo08:56
bronsonDaidoji: Is it an ADSL modem?  Would the eagle-adsl-tools package be relevant?08:57
Daidojibronson : yes, mine is a adsl usb modem, and one supported by the eagle driver. in fact i remember i was forced to install it on the mandrake 10 also...08:57
bronsonDaidoji: reinstall the driver?  Why?08:57
bronsonDaidoji: That's a rather large can of worms to open...08:57
bob2duke|ib: what bug is that for?08:57
duke|ibbob2: ibook not properly waking after sleep08:58
Daidojibronson : like i have a eagle.ko already on, but see nowhere the modem in access, i think i must install the eagle driver in complete form, so re-install it 08:58
bob2duke|ib: which bug number?08:58
duke|ibbob2: ^^^08:58
Daidojii'll try the eagle driver source :). I have another question too :P08:59
bronsonDaidoji: Unless the kernel driver is really old, I doubt it...08:59
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bronsonWhat happens when you run eagleconfig and startadsl?09:00
Daidojito mount another partitions (ntfs, fat32) : always pass by mount ? no automatic system on ubuntu ?09:00
Daidojibronson : i don't have eagleconfig nor startadsl on the system09:00
bronsonapt-get install eagle-adsl-tools09:01
bronson(or use Synaptic to install that package)09:01
Daidojiit's not in the synaptic package (already look for one 'eagle' on it)09:01
duke|ibit's there for me09:02
duke|ibare you using universe?09:02
Daidojiuniverse ?09:02
duke|ibheh :x09:02
Daidoji(i don't have acces to web)09:02
PizbitDaidoji: That big thing you live in *grin*09:03
bronsonUh oh.09:03
Daidoji(for web access like now, i back to winxp)09:03
duke|ibi don't know the traditional way of doing this09:03
DaidojiPizbit : lol.09:03
bronsonI sense a catch-22 here.09:03
duke|ibheh, nevermind then09:03
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Pizbitduke|ib: Usually it's go to the ftp and download the deb and make it accessable locally09:03
duke|ibalways a good method09:03
GmailTreenaks: gnome still doesnt start09:03
Daidojiok, i just get the eagle driver source, i back to ubuntu to install it :). if all is okay, see you under ubuntu ;)09:04
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GmailTreenaks: pm ya? with the same comand?09:05
dleOn http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ the live CD is 'warty-rc-live-i386.iso'.  Is that still the release candidate version?09:06
duke|ibi need a better airport connection :(09:06
duke|ib--- Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net : 31.82 second(s)09:06
bob2dle: yes, it's not released yet09:06
dlebob2: thanks.09:06
dlebob2: Any idea of a timeline?09:06
bob2dle: I don't know, sorry09:07
bob2duke|ib: easiest way is to rebuild pbbuttonsd, I guess09:07
duke|ibbob2: mmkay, thanks09:07
duke|ibi hope that fix makes it into the final, heh09:07
bob2final is released09:08
duke|ibwell then09:08
bob2I think that bug is being delayed because of pitti's comment, too09:08
duke|ibwhich comment?09:08
bob2the last one09:08
bob2martin's ibook is a g4 like mine09:09
bob2and I'm 99.999% certain suspend doesn't work at all on them09:09
duke|ibheh, i'm on an ibook g3/70009:09
bob2yeah, you're lucky :)09:09
duke|ibit still doesn't wake :E09:09
bob2hm, it should09:09
bob2does it under Debian?09:09
duke|ibhaven't tried09:10
duke|ibit takes a bit of convincing to suspend, too09:10
duke|ibi have to close the lid twice, once if i'm lucky for it to sleep09:10
duke|iband then it stalls on wake at the exact same spot that's described in the bug09:10
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duke|ibmachine  : PowerBook4,309:11
duke|ibmotherboard : PowerBook4,3 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh09:11
duke|ibdetected as : 257 (iBook 2 rev. 209:11
calcKeybuk: agreed wrt testing being braindamaged, it has many other flaws other than the dd's not running it as well ;)09:11
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srbakeranyone here that had the same problem as i did with ubuntu on a toshiba lappy?09:11
srbakerit was *really* slow09:12
Treenakssrbaker: I've heard about that using plain Debian on an old Satellite09:13
srbakerTreenaks, ahh.  well, i seem to have fixed it by doing "acpi=force" on the kernel cmd line09:13
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LeeColletonsrbaker: there's an IRQ conflict between the modem and the mouse.. I think09:13
Daidojime again09:13
srbakeracpi is disabled by default on pre-1999 bioses, but toshiba lappies have had acpi since (i think) 1997 or 98\09:13
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Daidoji... i have a big pb now : no c compilator on the $PATH ^^;;09:14
Treenakssrbaker: cool09:14
LeeColletonI've got a 2100CDT that was really buggy until I switched the modems IRQ09:14
TreenaksDaidoji: do you need a C compiler? you just said the driver is included in /lib/modules09:14
bob2srbaker: it's a kernel issue, since most acpi bioses before then are unusably buggy.09:14
DaidojiTreenaks : i have downloaded the source of eagles drivers (with tools).09:14
calcsrbaker: it seems on 2.6.9 you can enable acpi for all devices, it has a settable year option09:14
srbakerbob2, yeah, understood.  but it took me a little while to figure it out.09:15
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srbakerbob2, it was a problem that was only biting me sometimes on debian install, and sometimes on fedora.  but all the time on ubuntu09:15
srbakerbob2, weirdness.09:15
TreenaksDaidoji: you should always try packages first09:15
bob2srbaker: ahh09:15
TreenaksDaidoji: sudo apt-get install eagle-adsl-data eagle-adsl-tools09:16
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DaidojiTreenaks : but i have only the adsltools packages for debian. i know that ubuntu is based on debian... dos it work ?09:16
TreenaksDaidoji: apt-cache search eagle09:16
TreenaksDaidoji: that gave me these package names09:16
TreenaksDaidoji: aeagle-adsl-data contains the firmware the eagle driver need, and the eagle driver is there ()09:17
DaidojiTreenaks : like i have said : i don't have the package ! my web acces is only under winxp...09:17
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TreenaksDaidoji: well, download the packages from archive.ubuntu.com in XP, burn them to CD (or something..)09:17
Daidojioki, i do that :)09:17
TreenaksDaidoji: then "dpkg -i thefile1.deb thefile2.deb"09:17
TreenaksDaidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works09:18
Daidojierf... does exist something to search on the archive.ubuntu.com ?09:18
Daidojifound it !09:19
DaidojiThanks :)09:19
Elw0odhi all09:19
Elw0odnow i am am here to answer and not to ask!09:20
Elw0odeverythings works fine09:20
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atariboyIs 'JohnHornbeck' around?09:33
bob2you can see that for yourself09:34
atariboyhe may use a dif nick09:34
atariboyI saw his name on the wiki09:34
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|trey|Elw0od: yay, congrats... software is less fun when it works though  :(  :P09:36
plovs_workJohnHornbeck is hornbeck on irc09:36
mrjivehi *09:36
atariboyta plovs_work  09:37
Elw0od|trey|,  depends on what fun :)09:37
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cef_workKamion: you awake yet?09:44
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tuxwhats the link to get to ubuntt's archives ?09:47
tuxi tried that09:47
tuxlet me check again09:47
opisee Wiki09:47
opitux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/09:48
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DjGeRo<Treenaks> Daidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works09:49
DjGeRowhy reboot? :)09:49
tuxopi : i see the wiki09:49
dynmorning, guys :)09:49
tuxthat gives a list, is there a search facility for the database09:49
opilike packages.debian.org?09:50
opiif you're using Ubuntu, you could just apt-cache search09:50
tuxwell not on ubuntu at the mo09:50
tuxhave to copy so needed lib files over09:50
opiI don't renember URL ;/09:50
tuxyeah somone quickly gave me a xmms link earlier, very helpful09:51
tuxbut need some dependencies :)09:51
cef_workok, later ppl09:51
opiI can get a lib for you, tux :)09:51
TreenaksDjGeRo: because the driver needs loading, and it's easier to reboot09:51
opitux: just name it09:51
tuxlibgtk1.2 i think09:51
DjGeRoTreenaks: mmkay, that's also a way to see it :P09:52
tuxxmms required it09:52
tuxeven though i had later installed ; go figure ;)09:52
TreenaksDjGeRo: (I mean.. I could explain module loading, etc etc.)09:52
opiroot->/var/cache/apt/archives->ls *gtk*09:52
opilibgtk1.2_1.2.10-17_i386.deb  libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-17_all.deb09:52
opitux: give me your e-mail ;)09:53
tuxetarkoo@gmail.com :)09:53
tuxneed to get my wifi card set up this afternoon09:53
tuxlaptop has no RF-45 and modem dont work :)09:54
opitux: hehe, ok09:54
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WWplovs: ?09:55
WWplovs_work: Same as plovs?09:55
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tuxopi : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/09:58
tuxwhats the diff. between universe and multiverse ?09:59
WWtux: Stuff in multiverse is "non-free"09:59
tuxum.. pay ??10:00
WWtux: I don't know all the details, but basically stuff that has different or stricter licensing than GPL.10:00
WWtux: There is a question about it in the Ubuntu FAQ.10:01
opitux: no, not Open Source10:01
opitux: closed, binary stuff10:01
tuxthats weird, when i updated nmap thru universe thru apt-get on the pc , it was ver. 3.5010:02
tuxshit i meant to say 3.7010:02
Treenaksopi: also stuff with source available, but too restrictively licensed10:02
opiyes, 10:02
tuxthe universe site has onlt 3.5010:02
smoone of those times where "free software" vs "open source" actually starts to make sense ;o)10:02
tuxdisregard that last statement, i got it off debian site, i just remembered - duh!10:03
opiplease, don't mix Ubuntu and Debain10:03
opiit can cause hangover from morning ;)10:03
tuxwell i needed the lastest nmap to scan my network :)10:03
tuxi got that mail, cheers opi10:03
opitux: you're welcome10:03
Treenakstux: why? the old one was not good enough?10:03
tuxwell the ver. 3.70 has more sigs for identifying systems and its a hell of alot quicker10:04
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opicould anyone reslove one domain for me?10:04
opiIm not sure if it's allready accessible around the world10:05
opiit's oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl, please tell me a IP :)10:06
smooppeln-bronikowski.int.pl has address
opithanks, smo10:07
smoglad to hear it10:07
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opinow I can bug my ISP to put good revDNS on my server :)10:07
tuxi need to add kernel source before i can try a generic deb conexant driver10:08
tuxi just want to check before i go get it, but normally i would do..10:08
tuxapt-get install source ?10:08
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smoapt-get source package, if memory serves10:09
gelflingheylo people ^_^10:09
smounless I'm reading the question wrong :/   (it's 4am here)10:09
tuxill go look for it on the web, burn it to a cd 10:09
ennteethis channel is a hell of a lot more friendly than #debian10:09
opiIt's Ubuntu spirit :)10:09
ennteeno offense to them.10:09
tuxmaybe its because its starting off10:09
ennteecould be10:10
tuxbut hey i noticed that too, a bit too touchy in there10:10
tuxi dont bother going in anymore10:10
ennteeyeah, can be very frustrating10:10
tuxmaybe it was the debian hack10:10
tuxunsettling :P10:10
ennteenever heard about it.10:10
tuxah was a good while ago now10:10
ennteethe irc channel or the servers?10:11
ennteei remember when the servers were compromised10:11
opiwe just could say STFU, n00b and RT*F*M, google.com and don't bug us while we're discussing new p0rn ;-))10:11
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Daidojire-hello again :)10:11
Daidojiand this time, from ubuntu, youhou :D10:11
opiI need to fill this bug, as Matt asked10:11
opiI kinda dislike Bugzilla ;)10:12
ennteeso is ubuntu planning on having "newish" packages available for brave and/or stupid people to try inbetween releases?10:12
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ennteeactually, don't answer that10:12
ennteei should check the faq first10:12
Daidojifor information, i install gcc by apt-get (bizarre, it's not installed by default), and compil the eagle driver source :). Oh, and another thing : eagle-adsl-tools is a modeling hardware adsl utilitie :)10:13
opiDaidoji: it's not bizarre :)10:13
opiDaidoji: we've disscussed this issue an hour ago10:13
opiDaidoji: most people don't care about compiling C/C++ stuff 10:13
gilleshi kamion and others10:13
Daidojiopi : arf, oki :). so that's the reason. why not :P10:14
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Daidojihi gilles10:14
opiDaidoji: OTOH, Ubuntu has full Python, because apps in Ubuntu req. it :)10:14
Daidojiopi : yeah, i've seen that during installation.10:14
WWDaidoji: See #20 under Support: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/10:14
Daidojiww: i go see.10:14
gillesanyone find partitions detection problem like me ?10:15
tuxhmm i can only find  kernel-source-2.6.7/ under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/10:15
smotux: You're looking for linux-[source|image|modules] , not kernel-10:15
plovs_workWW, yes, hi!10:15
crimsuntux: linux-source-
opiemil->~->apt-cache search kernel-source | wc -l10:16
tuxok cheers :))10:16
WWplovs_work: Hi there.  10:16
tuxim not on ubuntu at the mo :)10:16
opitux: 2.6.7 it's from Debian10:16
Daidojihmm, i am wondering something : does exist something for ubuntu like an automount ?10:16
plovs_workWW, sorry I deleted your page, I put it back10:16
plovs_workWW, too much enthousiasm10:16
opiDaidoji: I think kernel supports automount10:16
Daidojiopi : in that case, why don't i see my other partition ?10:17
WWplovs_work: Like I said on the page, no problem at all.  I was just messing around when I made it.  I wasn't sure if I would make a "real" personal page.10:17
tuxjust to confirm, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source- is what i need ?10:17
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opitux: da :}10:17
opiDaidoji: hmm, I have no idea10:17
Kamioncef: yep?10:18
opiDaidoji: atm my Linuxbox has only one disk, so I didn't check it, I just assumed it's there10:18
fschmm...wonder why gstreamer has been borked for so long10:18
Daidojiopi : oki. me, i don't see nor my 2 Fat32 partition, nor my 3 other ntfs partition :(10:18
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opiDaidoji: mkdir /tmp/d; mount /dev/hdxy /tmp/d ;)10:19
plovs_workWW, if you like to get involved, make a page if not ... well then not :)10:19
opiDaidoji: you can mount it by yourself if you need it atm10:19
Daidojiopi : i've tried, but ...mmmm... nothing in /dev about my other partition...10:20
opiDaidoji: oh, really? Now that's very strange10:20
opiDaidoji: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hdX where x is disk number10:20
Daidojiopi : i explain : no hdax, but hdex et hdgx10:20
opiand see if everything is ok with partion setup10:21
Daidojioki, i see it.10:21
opiI'll get a caffee ;}10:21
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Daidojifatal error : cannot open disk drive10:22
Daidojiin fact, they begin at hdE ...10:22
Daidojiwhy ? Oo10:22
opino idea10:22
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Daidojierf... too bad, forgot how use mount :(. ok, i'll go ask my friend google :D10:23
Daidojithank opi :)10:24
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opiDaidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where10:24
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opiDaidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where -o option=a,nextoption=b10:24
opiDaidoji: ie. mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/disk_mp3 10:25
Daidojiopi : thanks :), in fact i already know that (try of sooner) but i have some pb with the /where :P10:25
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opimkdir will help here ;)10:25
Daidojiopi : and for automount ? just make a batch file with all the mounting, no ?10:25
opiDaidoji: see /etc/fstab10:26
gillesKamion, i know you are very busy but do you take a look on my screenshots ?10:26
Daidojiopi : domo arigat gosaimasu !10:26
WWplovs_work: My page is really gone now.  I'll be making the occasional wiki FAQ addition, but that's about it.  10:26
stvnDaidoji: do you have the right permissions in the /where ?10:27
Daidojistvn : root permissions ?10:27
stvnrwx permissions at least10:28
opiDaidoji: I wish I could understand that ;)10:28
opiunless you're mounting RO media10:28
opithen RX would be enough10:28
Daidojiopi : Really Thank you << hasty translation ;)10:28
Kamiongilles: I don't see the e-mail from you10:28
Kamiongilles: what e-mail address did you send it from?10:29
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Daidojistvn : yes, now i have it :P10:29
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gillesKamion, cjwatson@canonical.com10:29
Daidojimount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel <<< ????10:30
opinot fat3210:30
Daidojiok, i retry, thank :)10:30
Daidojimount -t vfat /dev/hde /media/Win3210:31
Daidojimount: /dev/hde already mounted or /media/Win32 busy10:31
DaidojiOo ?10:31
Kamiongilles: no, *from*10:31
opiyou see10:32
opiit's mounted10:32
opido df -h10:32
DaidojiSys. de fich.         Tail. Occ. Disp. cc. Mont sur10:32
Daidoji/dev/hdh1             2,0G  1,6G  304M  85% /10:32
Daidojitmpfs                 380M     0  380M   0% /dev/shm10:32
tuxlater peeps10:32
Daidojiopi : i have nothing on Win3210:33
gillesKamion, from gilles.di-martino@wanadoo.fr10:33
opiDaidoji: erm, shouldn't you use partition number?10:33
opimount -t vfat /dev/hde1 /media/Win3210:33
Daidojigmen Y___Y.... i'am too stupid ! Thank10:33
opiI like to help10:34
Kamiongilles: you managed to trip my spam filters10:35
gillesKamion, you remember partman dont' display partition on my second hd but in console i see them fine10:35
Kamion"hi, i send you two pics ..." probably did it :-P10:35
gelflingcan someone point me to destructions for installing nvidia drivers? I wanna make 3d goodness happen ^_^10:35
Kamiongilles: yep, I know10:36
DaidojiOpi : ok, now it's mounted :P. but my fat32 folder are like some unknown file (so i could not go in)10:36
ZombDaidoji: sounds like missing permissions for directories10:36
stvnDaidoji: they are prolly mounted with root priviliges10:36
opiDaidoji: umount then add -o umask=00010:36
opior sudo for your mp3 collection :D10:37
Daidojiarf, oki. Thank you all :)10:37
bob2gelfling: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki10:37
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opiOk, maybe I should work a little bit? :)10:39
SavuZiilhi, its my first time installing linux and id like to know what are the system requierments of ubuntu 4.1010:40
opiSavuZiil: depends what you like to get10:40
opiSavuZiil: having decent Gnome experience will cost around Celeron 600 and 128/256Mb of memory10:40
bob2SavuZiil: for gnome you'd want 256MB of ram, 1.8GB of disk and maybe a p3 or p210:40
opiSavuZiil: full Ubuntu takes aroudn 1.8Gb10:41
gelflingbob2: does that get me the same as the drivers off the nvidia site? Or are they the open source10:41
opigelfling: NVidia drivers are not Open Source10:41
bob2gelfling: the same dodgy binary drivers nvndia ships10:41
opinv drivers in XF are open sourced10:41
SavuZiilbut what can i do with 500mhz pentium2 and with 128mb ram10:41
opibut withour acceleration10:41
bob2SavuZiil: it wil be ok, but might be a bit slow10:42
opiSavuZiil: you can still get Linux expereince nice, but I would not recomend Gnome10:42
stvnSavuZiil: it can run it, but it would be wise to put an extra 128 ram in10:42
gelflingbob2: ok thanks, in that case I got em already! thanks bob2, saves me messing about ^_^10:42
danielser, I think they do 2D acceleration for most primitives10:42
SavuZiilso kde is the way to go?10:42
bob2SavuZiil: try it and see...if gnome is annoyingly slow, you can run other things10:42
danielsas well as Xv10:42
bob2SavuZiil: kde is as slow or slower10:42
opiSavuZiil: there's a XFce4 that would go10:42
stvnSavuZiil: I run it perfectly fine on a amd K6 400MHz, but it has 400 MB ram10:42
opiSavuZiil: KDE/Gnome are big DE, while XFce/Fluxbox are just WM10:43
Treenaksopi: xfce is a de10:43
SavuZiilde? wm?10:43
opiTreenaks: it is? Im using it for a month or so and didn't feel it :)10:43
opiSavuZiil: Digital Env. vs. Window Manager10:43
Treenaksopi: Desktop env.10:44
opiSavuZiil: it's like waching machine vs. soap10:44
stvndesktop environment10:44
opiTreenaks: desktop, yes, I must have some brain disorder ;)10:44
opiwashing machine10:44
SavuZiilok thanx for your help10:44
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SavuZiilone more question (not much to do with linux), anyone knows some place where i can get information on BeOS10:48
TreenaksSavuZiil: google.com 8)10:48
umanTreenaks: hey, what concidence, I know that site, too10:48
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umancoincidence ^10:48
SavuZiilTreenaks: the easy way to answer all questions:D10:48
TreenaksSavuZiil: true ;)10:48
TreenaksSavuZiil: otherwise, wikipedia.org :))10:49
opiSavuZiil: bebits.com10:49
stvnSavuZiil: osnews.com might be useful as well10:49
gelflingsavuziil: ive seen some news on osnews in the last few days10:49
umanhowstuffworks.com is pretty good, too10:49
umanthough it does have some ads thrown in10:49
uman^for things not related to operating systems that is10:49
SavuZiilok, thanks10:49
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TreenaksPizbit: man 5 units10:52
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PizbitTreenaks: I was thinking in nautilus etc10:53
TreenaksPizbit: don't know... look at the source?10:54
Treenaksit tells me MB, but I don't know if it means MB or MiB10:54
umanMen in Black ?10:54
TreenaksPizbit: every program that uses units.. that's kind of the problem10:54
PizbitTreenaks: Probably MiB, I'd just prefer it if it used the proper units;)10:54
Treenaksuman: man 5 units10:54
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TreenaksPizbit: submit patches to the GNOME people10:55
umanah, is that for compiling timing ?10:55
Pizbituman: Look at that if you don't know about them10:55
Treenaksuman: no, read the manual10:55
PizbitTreenaks: Pah, I'm no coder10:55
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TreenaksPizbit: everyone can change MB to MiB10:56
umanthanks for that10:56
TreenaksPizbit: then file bugs..10:56
Zombis this fixed somehow in the GNOME HIG? Would be the first good thing there.10:56
PizbitTreenaks: So, you expect me to download heaps of source, find the specific places where the units are mentioned, changed, them and then get the dependencies needed to compile it...:P10:56
umanit's just like the metric stuff, just converted for 2^1010:56
Pizbit*just* so I can be sure?10:56
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TreenaksPizbit: I am?10:57
Treenaks*dances around in a circle*10:57
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TreenaksPizbit: you should probably test it (make a 1MB file and a 1MiB file, check what nautilus tells you)10:58
srbakeranyone else have troubel with warty immediately after install?10:58
srbakeri try to log in for the first time: no splash screen10:58
TreenaksPizbit: and files bugs based on that, or ask the Gnome HIG people about it10:58
PizbitTreenaks: Or I could du a file and compare it to the nautilus view10:58
alex_I just installed warty, but no where during the install process do i remember giving a root password. Am I just too drunk to remember?? whats going on here..10:59
Pizbitalex_: You use sudo and your normal pass10:59
TreenaksPizbit: something like that10:59
bob2alex_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo10:59
PizbitTreenaks: Do it for me :D:D11:00
TreenaksPizbit: no :) too busy @ work11:00
PizbitTreenaks: Muahaha11:00
PizbitYou sure fooled me.11:00
TreenaksPizbit: you want your .tk domains, or not? :)11:01
Kamionalex_: the first screen after boot should've explained that no root password would be set11:01
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Kamionafter the first reboot, I mean11:01
phinalex: ahh good old drunken installs, good luck!11:01
Pizbitphin: Can't get much wrong with a drunken install of ubuntu11:01
phini know11:01
phinive done a few11:01
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umanmy dmesg shows stuff in KiB yay11:02
alex_Pizbit, bob2, Kamion, ok thx guys, r00t!!11:02
Pizbituman: So does ifconfig11:02
alex_i just was to also say, im really very impressed.11:02
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thomasvsdoes anyone know why I can't get any package with a binary called "ant" that builds java projects ?11:04
alex_only one problem other than root, my printer didnt autodetect properly, but the weird thing is that my printer has a CF card slot, and i happened to have a CF card inside, and it auto detected/mounted/whatever the card and i could browser my pics.. thats truely awesome.11:04
thomasvsant itself is free software.  all I find is libant1.5-java currently11:04
thomasvswhich contains some run scripts that don't seem to work, and a jar that I don't know what to do with to make it run11:05
Pizbitalex_: Heh11:05
alex_what I dont understand is why the gnome printer tool doesnt just use all the regularly supported cups drivers, like, my printer is not listed among the drivers, but if i open up cups itself in the webbrowser the proper driver is right there!.. 11:06
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Pizbitalex_: That's just not cricket.11:10
umannah, tis fish11:10
topylilive action irc!11:10
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stvnhas anyone any suggestions to why my clock runs at the wrong speed under ubuntu - I'm completly out of ideas :'(11:12
bob2stvn: have you searched the list archives?11:13
alex_dang, i cant remember what port the cups daemon lives on11:14
stvnbob2: not the ubuntu list11:14
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bob2stvn: why?11:14
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stvnbob2: didn't know they existed, and google didn't point me to it ;)11:15
__danielalex_, grep -i cups /etc/services11:15
__danielhmm :-)11:15
__danielalex_, i guess 631 ipp Internet Printing Protocol11:16
burnboyso i'm not sure i like the new login image for ubuntu :) why are they not wearing much in the way of clothes :)11:17
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alex___daniel, thats the one, but its strange because nothing turned up for cups in /etc/services11:18
alex_but localhost:631 works11:18
alex_thankx __daniel11:18
__danielalex_, well after that i tried  grep -i print /etc/services ;-)11:18
__danielalex_,  de rien11:19
stvnbob2: am I missing something, or is there no search function in the archives?11:19
alex_oops, whats this? "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."11:19
alex_heh yea that works11:19
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maswandaniels: btw, I ran my x40 until the screen went black yesterday, about 5-6 hours. and about 10 minutes after the battery state claimed to be critical. :)11:22
danielsmaswan: yeah :)11:22
alex_ok, looks like I wont be printing11:23
Treenaksmaswan: I can run my PC for an hour after the battery level drops to 0 :)11:23
janlmaswan: *sulk* mine will barely last that long suspended11:23
maswanAlso, at the conference I was at, IBM was handing out "x40" notebooks, the paper kind. :)11:23
maswanA little bit thinner, but the same dimensions otherwise. Weighing about the same with the battery removed. :)11:24
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rungeI have a litle question about ubuntu. where is it headed? will the packages in the end be diffrent from debian so that they cant be used from both? (I am not a debian user, but gentoo so if it sounds like a strange question..)11:25
cefKamion: got a q for you re: d-i & non-detected rootfs devices11:25
Kamioncef: yuh-huh11:25
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Kamion(i.e. hm, doesn't sound like something I might obviously know, but I'll try)11:25
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lozwhen I refresh in synaptic all the repositories say "Hit" and it wizzes through.  Why is this, it use to work, and I can't update any of my s/w now.  Is this because they haven't change?11:26
cefKamion: amd64, rootfs on a 3ware 9500 SATA raid (3w-9xxx).. install detects, partitions and installs to it, but after boot pivot-root fails. using the release images too btw11:26
__danielloz, exactly... they haven't changed11:27
lozso that's what Hit means then __daniel?11:27
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Kamioncef: suggests that the initrd couldn't figure out where the root partition is, but apart from that I'm clueless ...11:27
Kamioncef: I suspect I'd end up booting with init=/bin/sh and tracing through it by hand :-(11:27
cefKamion: so the q. is there a way to tell the initrd to load a module (as it's in the initrd, but not in the initrd's loadmodules)11:28
__danielloz, synaptic (via apt) hit their repositories: it's alright. otherwise it'd say "fail" or "failed"11:28
cefKamion: or alternatively, a way I can add it manually during the install process?11:28
Kamioncef: only at initrd build time, AFAIK11:29
Kamioncef: you can re-run mkinitrd during the install ...11:29
loz__daniel: seems funny to have no changes in 2 days, because it used to be that they would change every day.  even if it was just to change picture to semi-naked people and back.11:29
alex_is gimp-print in the warty release?11:29
Kamionloz: warty's released and therefore frozen.11:29
maswandaniels: Oh, didn't you promise an updated thinkpad-x40-support thingie with better suspend support for centrino wireless? :)11:29
cefKamion: I looked at that.. and it kept breaking when I was running it manually from the command-line.. any suggestions/pointers on what to pass it?11:30
alex_nevermind, yes i see it is.11:30
lozKamion: that doens't include the "universal" package does it?11:30
Kamionloz: yes, it does11:30
lozso there's no more s/w updates now then?11:30
Kamionloz: barring total emergencies / word of baby jesus11:30
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cefloz: only security updates afaik11:30
Kamionloz: no, not in warty. we'll open up hoary fairly soon for new development11:30
lozso this means that essentially I've got a fully up-to-date system, and new releases of other packages which are ubuntu won't update (like gaim for example)11:31
danielsmaswan: yeah, been busy though11:32
danielsand my desktop's wireless has been randomly broken11:32
maswandaniels: ACK11:32
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Kamioncef: something like 'chroot /target mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img- /lib/modules/' should reproduce the current initrd, tweak from there11:32
maswandaniels: Well, no worries, I'll just have to reboot about a third of the times I try to unsuspend. :)11:32
alex_so what am I to do if my printer driver simply *isn't there*11:33
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Kamioncef: you'll need to add the module in question to /target/etc/mkinitrd/modules first11:34
danielsmaswan: just edit /etc/acpi/suspend.sh and add an rmmod ipw2100; rmmod ipw2200 where ehci_hcd gets rmmodded11:34
danielsmaswan: then re-modprobe them in resume.sh11:34
lozKamion: so are there any other repositories that I can use to get more recent versions of some software?11:34
maswandaniels: Ah, ok. Thanks. :)11:34
cefKamion: brilliant.. thanks. I've fiddled enough with initrd ages ago to know how to get the thing to force a module load at boot, and if not, I'm sure I'll figure it out. I'll see about adding how to do it into the wiki so that it can get FAQ'd11:34
Kamioncef: BTW you don't need to redo the whole install, just run up to the start of partitioning so that all the filesystem modules and such are available11:34
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Kamioncef: please report a bug with full details, this fiddling should be made unnecessary rather than just documented11:35
cefKamion: yeah I know.. was inspecting it a few times like that11:35
Kamionloz: what are you desperate for?11:35
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cefKamion: yeah, but unlikely to happen for warty as it stands, since it's released and all. *grin*11:35
Kamioncef: right11:35
alex_is there any chance that scribus will be packaged for the next release?11:37
Kamionloz: hoary will start up soon and will supply daily crack for those who want it :)11:37
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Kamionalex_: should be in universe?11:37
lozKamion: well a few things.. gaim being pretty active updating to keep up with protocol changes for one11:38
TreenaksKamion: "soon"? *twitch*11:38
KamionTreenaks: dunno exact timings, there's a hoary kickoff meeting on Monday so I should know then11:38
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cefKamion: also it's quite possible that it could happen in the future, even though it shouldn't, better to have the entry there so that people can actually resolve the problem at least and get going11:38
TreenaksKamion: < 6 months 8)11:38
Dashivascribus is indeed in universe11:39
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alex_Kamion, pardon? u talking about printer drivers or scribus?11:40
xskoulaxmorning malte`11:40
Kamionalex_: scribus11:40
Kamioncef: true11:40
bronsonYes!!  Success.11:40
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bronsonI finally managed to get the Orinoco drivers cleanly into the stock Ubuntu kernel.11:40
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cefKamion: could be interesting to get initrd to parse the kernel commandline and have an option to load module(s) before doing pivot-root - eg: initmod=3w-9xxx - so that you could append it to the kernel commandline at least and get booted... though then there is always the security implications... however if someone has physical access to the box, you're toast anyway11:41
bronsonIt only took a day and a half...  On the bright side, it produced a lot of wiki pages.  :)11:41
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tuxim looking for 'libglib1.2' for ubuntu under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/ ; can't seem to find it :/11:41
Treenakstux: libg/libglib1.2 ?11:42
Treenakstux: otherwise, it's in g/glib/11:42
tuxahh thats where im prob. wrong :)11:42
Treenakstux: but..isn't apt easier?11:42
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Kamioncef: (only works with modules already in the initrd anyway)11:42
tuxdont have net connection on laptop11:42
alex_i dont understand why my printer driver Epson-C84 is not listed when i just had debian-sarge installed on this computer, and C84 was listed among the cups drivers for that system11:42
Kamionbronson: uh - I thought we already had the Orinoco drivers?11:42
tuxhave to dl to usb key and copy over :/11:42
cefKamion: yeah.. but they're all in the initrd currently, so it shouldn't be a problem11:43
Kamioncef: although yes, that would be a useful feature11:43
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alex_when moving from regular debian to ubuntu i didnt expect to loose my printer11:44
cefKamion: I'll have a look at doing it after I get the box up and running and work out a patch or something *grin*11:44
tuxcheers ; later11:44
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bronsonKamion: not patched for monitor mode.11:46
alex_meh, oh well, overall I would say ubuntu is great, good stuff you guys, I'll check back when you make your next release.11:46
cefok.. later ppl, off to wash clothes and then going out....11:46
MyKq3hello how can i change the defult spell checker with outher spell checker ?11:47
bronsonI'm about to head to Boston and I'm hoping to keep in touch by the grace of open APs.  :)11:47
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Kamionbronson: ah; is there a bug about that?11:47
bronsonKamion: no idea.  I'm not sure it's a bug...  There might be a reason this stuff is not integrated into the kernel...?11:48
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Kamionbronson: sounds like a valid enhancement request at least11:49
bronsonI suppose I could file one if you think it's a good idea.  Personally, though, it seems like the Ubuntu devs have better things to do.11:50
bronsonMan I like Ubuntu.11:53
Kamionbronson: we've added quite a few custom patches to our kernel already, so (without knowing anything about the patch) another one certainly isn't out of the question.11:53
bronsonI haven't felt this in tune with a distro since Debian circa 2000...11:53
bronsonKamion: you're telling me!  I was amazed at how many patches are in there.11:53
bronsonOK, I'll file a feature request.11:54
Kamionthe majority are Debian patches, actually11:54
bronsonWell, there's a lot of them.11:54
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Kamionwell, I think it's still the majority ...11:54
patrick_is there a way to compile flash player it works well on site but not an certain programs11:55
bronsonSo I'm sitting in the same room as my AP (Linksys WRT54G) and 2 of my neighbors have stronger signals.11:55
patrick_is there a way to compile flash player 711:56
bronsonWeird.  Wonder if they're using antennas or illegal power settings...11:56
deFryskflash is not open source11:56
dynmy debian days are a bit in the past11:56
dynso i cant clearly remember how can i resolve package dependencies11:57
dyni'd need gaim-encryption and found a deb version of it on the net11:57
Kamionbronson: hm, actually, we probably have the majority of the patches now, looking at 00list-1611:57
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patrick_what can i use apart from the flashplugin-nonfree??11:57
dynbut after installing with -force-deps, every apt command complains about unmet deps and suggest removing it11:58
deFryskpatrick_, the installer of macromedia.com11:58
dyncan i make it somehow accept my decision?11:58
niels\bronson is your antenna attached directly to the card ? if so your computer case must be disturbing the signal11:58
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bronsonniels\: it's a minipci built into my T23 (Thinkpad).  I have no idea where the antenna is.11:58
bronsonBut that's a good point.11:59
niels\bronson oh ok11:59
deFryskpatrick_, please stop pinging me11:59
patrick_ok sorry11:59
patrick_defrysk : it doesn't work properly12:00
patrick_defrysk : some texts appear blanks12:00
philipp1hello, did someone get mplayer to work, or DVD in general ?12:01
patrick_me !!12:01
niels\patrick_ havent you seen in the README that you need some fonts like the dsfons ones12:01
bronsonphilipp1: yep.  what's the problem.12:01
niels\gsfonts sorry12:01
philipp1i just installed it using the instructions in ubuntu's new howto12:01
bronson"with select models of the T23 featuring a dual antenna system built into the display cover in order to increase signal strength."12:02
philipp1and now mplayer does not even start12:02
bronsonniels\: you got me curious.12:02
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TreenaksdeFrysk: apt-get install mozilla-flash-plugin should work as well12:02
niels\bronson i've never used minipci cards but i've done a bench yesterday12:02
deFryskTreenaks, I am sure it does12:02
niels\i lose 10% strenght if my antenna is directly on my pci card12:02
topyliphilipp1: i installed the mplayer-custom ubuntu packge and it won't start either :)12:02
bronsonMan these thing were expensive new.  Work just gave this one to me because it's apparently obsolete.  :)12:02
deFryskTreenaks, I tried it with apt-get install flash-plugin but see now i used the wrong packagename :s12:03
topyliphilipp1: so i removed it and forgot about it12:03
patrick_defrysk : mozilla-flash-plugin ?? what repository??12:04
deFryskTreenaks, tnks for the info though12:04
deFryskpatrick_, probably in unuversal12:04
niels\patrick_ maybe universe12:04
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deFryskinuverse sorry12:04
deFryskdang typos12:04
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dynanyone uses gaim-encryption on ubuntu?12:06
deFryskpatrick_, the correct name is flashplugin-nonfree12:07
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patrick_the flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work properly it misses some text12:09
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deFryskpatric, also apt-get install gsfonts-x11 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.212:10
deFryskpatrick_, might help12:11
deFryskpatrick_, when you rightclick a selected package in synaptic you can check for recomended packages to install with it12:12
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stvnhm ubuntu's nautilus appears to b0rk images bigger then 15k when transfering them over ftp12:25
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digitaluxhello all12:27
digitaluxis there a realtek WLAN driver in ubuntu??12:27
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gilleskamion,i'm not able to mount dos partitions in console12:32
gillesi wrote "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -t vfat" ant it answer "no such file or directory"12:33
patrick_on some sites when i go on fullscreen wuth flash it crash12:33
deFryskpatrick_, nvidia driver ?12:33
stvngilles: it it mount -t <filetyp> /device /destination12:33
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lhbgilles: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/<destinataion>12:34
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lhbsorry stvn, see you are helping already12:34
gillessame error12:34
Kamiongilles: it's not /dev/hda1 in the console12:35
Kamioner, in the installer12:35
Kamionuse tab-completion, it's there and it's helpful12:35
Kamiongilles: you probably want /dev/discs/disc0/part112:35
patrick_no defrysk flash player :)12:35
lhbgilles: did you make a directory in mnt where you can mount it too?12:36
patrick_what can i do12:36
bronsonKamion: feature request filed.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264412:37
Kamiongilles: oh yes, /mnt doesn't exist in the installer either, mkdir it12:37
gillesKamion, ok i got it i sent it to you12:37
Kamionbronson: ta12:37
gillesjust one min12:38
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patrick_plz help me12:38
Kamionpatrick_: if people don't answer, it's not because we all hate you, it's more likely that nobody who's around right now knows12:39
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Kamionpatrick_: you might try mailing ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com instead12:39
patrick_ltsp in ubuntu is great12:39
patrick_the only problems is flash player12:40
deFryskpatrick_, do you have the nvidia driver installed ?12:40
pisukepatrick_, what version of flash player?12:40
pisukesame here and no problem12:41
lhbsuggestion for the wiki, irc faq12:41
patrick_its fine for me but only in fullscreen in certain sites12:42
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pigrecohi, during installation i skipped network configuration, how do I config it now ?12:42
patrick_its on my network and not accessibvle to others12:42
gillesKamion, ok sent it12:42
deFryskpatrick_, are you running the default firefox of ubuntu ?12:42
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plovs_workbronson, hi you made nice wiki pages!12:43
gillesKamion, i must leave back later12:43
patrick_yes it is 0.93 + 1.0pr reverted to 0.9312:44
hnsI have a webcam Logitech clicksmart. Someone can point me to documentation how to ge this thing working with Ubuntu12:44
gillessee you soon12:44
deFryskpatrick_, it work fine on mine :s12:44
pigrecoon the network config i only see "NIL" device but the network card id recognized..12:45
pigrecoi cant understand how can i set eth0 instead of NIL12:45
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bronsonplovs_work: thanks!  just trying to understand things.12:46
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patrick_defrysk can i use firefox only in fullscreen12:46
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plovs_workbronson, i noticed we have already four kernel pages, maybe we would need one kernel page with a couple of sub-pages12:46
bronsonIt definitely needs a reorg.12:47
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bronsonActually, it makes sense to have three kernel pages, one for each build technique.12:47
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plovs_workbronson, since you did most of the writing and your pages are better then mine could you reorganize it to a bunch of Howto's?12:48
plovs_workbronson, one with the links and then the other ones as sub/pages?12:48
bronsonplovs_work: that's a good idea.  I don't have time now.  I'm leaving for vacation in <24 hours.12:50
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bronsonIf nobody else has done it by the time I get back, I might do it.  ;)12:50
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plovs_workbronson, cool! have a nice vacation!12:50
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patrick_defrysk i want to use firefox only in full screen12:52
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Kamionbronson: you guys object to me going through and doing typo fixes and stuff? I found lots just at a quick glance over KernelHowto12:55
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Kamionplovs_work: why does KernelHowto recommend building in /usr/src/ rather than just in your home directory, as would be Right and Proper?12:56
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Kamiongah, and it perpetuates the ancient /usr/src/linux symlink rubbish12:58
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Kamioneven the kernel README stopped recommending that a while back12:58
mojo_Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?12:59
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mojo_Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?01:00
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stvndoes ubuntu get bug-fix updates in wartie, or only security updats?01:04
Kamionstvn: only security updates and perhaps absolutely critical bug fixes01:06
|trey|Who's Opi?01:06
mojo_anyknow how to add in a DNS into dhclient.conf??01:07
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daniels04:07 [opn]  :::: opi ~emil@
|trey|mojo_: the examples are pretty good... just read what it says...01:08
|trey|mojo_: if you can't understand that, try webmins frontend for it...01:08
|trey|Webmin should be supported... and marketed... Novell BrantchOffice... but Open Source...01:09
mojo_thx trry01:09
|trey|just |[tab]   :)01:09
Treenaks|trey|: webmin should be trashed, burned and the authors quartered and hung01:09
mojo_do u know how to disable annoying time synz at boot time?01:09
Treenaks|trey|: stupid POS01:09
|trey|Treenaks: it works  :/  name a better configuration method that you can click with... :/  that + iPrint = almost exactly Novell BranchOffice...01:10
Treenaks|trey|: Clicking != The Uber Solution To All The Worlds Problems01:11
|trey|Get files, Configure every computer from one interface....01:11
Zindarwebmin is really really really terrible01:11
|trey|Treenaks: it just makes things easier... blah  :/01:12
mojo_trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all01:12
plovs_workKamion, no idea, i have always done it this way, i never even *considered* doing it diffrently (a duh might be in order)01:12
DjGeRoand it makes it's own ways to do things... 01:12
DjGeRoso it sucks01:12
mojo_trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all01:12
Treenaks|trey|: easier, yes. but if you want "more than webmin can do" you'll need to re-learn everything because you only know how to click01:12
stvnKamion: thanks01:12
Kamionplovs_work: I'll try to get round to rewriting that today - really don't want to encourage the /usr/src/linux thing, and it will simplify the document considerably01:13
Treenaksmojo_: the example is very clear, but you'll probably want to  edit resolv.conf, and you can do that using the Network Settings tool in the gnome menu, I guess01:13
|trey|mojo_: umm... blah... I don't even have bind on this file... tldp.org, DNS howto...01:13
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|trey|Treenaks: hmm, I haven't been using GNOME that long... usually KDE or XFce... didn't know that  :)01:14
plovs_workKamion, if you have time for it, you might compare it with the other three kernel pages, you might just remove mine?? what do you think 01:14
plovs_workColinWatson in tha house?01:14
mojo_Treenaks: true, I can do it with Net Setting but it will be updated with wrong DNS everytime boot up, that's why I want to fix it in dhclient.conf01:16
Treenaksmojo_: fix your DHCP server01:16
bronsonKamion: not at all.01:16
bronson(I mean, I don't mind you applying changes to the pages)01:17
bronsonYou might get rid of the make-kpkg page -- I just don't see how that technique is useful when we've got dpkg-buildpackage and byhand.01:17
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bronsonOr move it to a dusty corner of the wiki...01:18
|trey|bronson: umm, only to distribute over your domain I guess  :/   they are usually simular hardware  :/01:19
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bronson|trey|: ??01:20
Forgivenhey all. i just was wondering what package ubuntu uses for automatically mounting removable media.01:20
|trey|bronson: thats the purpose... compile once for all your clients...01:20
|trey|Then distribute via apt-proxy  :)01:21
bronson|trey|: well, sure.  It's just that dpkg-buildpackage is a lot easier, and by hand is a lot more flexible.01:21
|trey|bronson: make-kpkg is just as flexable as byhand...01:21
bronsonNot by a long shot.01:21
bronsonIt's got to recompile each kernel from scratch.  You can't make incremental changes.01:22
|trey|bronson: it just does the make commands for you  :/01:22
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bronsonCompare the length of the make-kpkg howto and the byhand howto.  I don't see any advantage...01:22
Kamionplovs_work: ColinWatson == me01:22
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atariboyis there an easy way get libtoolize?01:23
patrick1548is there a way to run firefox only in full screen????01:23
Kamionplovs_work: I'm not sure I have time for large-scale editing; I'm really going through and applying general proofreading skills at the moment01:23
|trey|bronson: make-kpkg = one command... byhand *can be*01:23
|trey|just less typing...01:23
plovs_workWhoever wins the KernelHowto fight, can you make KernelHowto as  top and then add sub-pages to it /CoolKernelHowto /UberCoolKernelHoto etc01:23
plovs_workKamion, ok!01:23
bronson|trey|: by hand: "make modules_install install"01:24
|trey|make-kpkg kernel_image [name] 01:24
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patrick1548is there a way to run firefox only in full screen???? pl?01:24
|trey|Thats after ./configure && make clean  :/01:24
bronson|trey|: don't forget to add "--revision=blah"01:25
atariboypatrick1548: you might wanna try a firefox kiosk extension01:25
patrick1548or a link to open in a new tab without any extension01:25
bronson|trey|: make-kpkg requires configure too.01:25
bronsonand it's "make clean" vs. "make-kpkg clean"01:25
|trey|bronson: I didn't [name]  = --revision01:25
|trey|Not make clean though, does that...01:25
bronsonAnyhow, debating over a few keystrokes is silly.01:26
SmokingFirewhat's a good tool to rip cd's?01:26
SmokingFirebetter the nsoundjuicer anyway01:26
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|trey|bronson: thats the point... its the "Debian Way"  :/01:26
enrico_hello everybody01:26
brosenSmokingFire: Grip is good01:26
stvnSmokingFire: what's wrong with sound-juicer? (was about to suggest it)01:26
bronson|trey|: I'd argue that dpkg-buildpackage is the Debian way.  Or it ought to be.01:26
bronsonIt's so much simpler.01:26
SmokingFirestvn: I want more options01:26
stvnSmokingFire: ah ok01:27
enrico_channel: im here to give my spare time for the italian translation of the web site01:27
Kamion|trey|: "the Debian way" is a pernicious meme that isn't necessarily right01:27
|trey|bronson: /j #debian-bots, /msg dpkg kp01:27
|trey|Kamion: and you...01:27
plovs_workKamion, you might want to look at AlexanderPoslavsky/PlayGround this will be linked in HowtoHowto (and thanks for renaming it) it will be the Ubuntu Documentation Standard (when it is finished)01:27
bronson|trey|: those are the instructions I wrote the make-kpkg wiki page from.01:27
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bronsoncurse those bots.  :)01:28
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|trey|bronson: you should host a bot from there  :)01:28
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enrico_another thing... why not making the installation as "easy" as in windows xp?01:28
bob2enrico_: hos is it harder?01:29
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|trey|Thats one thing this channel lacks  :(  I like them, remind me of things... we could customize the db to be Ubuntu specific  :)01:29
Kamionenrico_: IME the Windows XP installation is already harder than Ubuntu's.01:29
bob2a bot is a waste of time01:29
plovs_workenrico_ if that would be our standard, then we would not be aiming very high01:29
bob2when we have a really good wiki01:29
Kamionenrico_: but if you have specific problems, file bugs; "why not make it as easy as <foo>" is unhelpful.01:29
plovs_workbob2, what about a wiki-bot?01:29
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ajamewiki is a bit hard to use01:30
enrico_bob2: im the co-founder of the btlug (borgo val di taro, italy... everyone's invited for porcino mushroom's based dinner)01:30
bob2plovs_work: why?01:30
tollyi just installed tcl and tk, when i compile a program that uses it i get this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltcl01:30
|trey|bob2: that requires fireing up another browser though  :(01:30
tollyhow do i fix it?01:30
plovs_workeverytime a question does not get answered for 2 minutes the bot will say: wiki.ubuntulinux.org01:30
bob2tolly: you need libtcl-dev or so01:30
enrico_..: well ive actually installed ubuntu's for my little brothere01:30
Kamionplovs_work: and a bot can tell when a question has been answered - how?01:30
enrico_and yes i do think it's not that easy...01:30
tollybob2: is it on the tcl/tk website?01:31
enrico_basically... not everyone knows what the vesa driver is... so 01:31
Kamionenrico_: well, then, file bugs01:31
tollyi installed the tcl and tk from the website01:31
plovs_workif i ask a question (...?) and you see no plovs_work:01:31
bob2tolly: it's in ubuntu01:31
Kamionplovs_work: very bad heuristic01:31
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|trey|Kamion: at least replyed to... by trigering on ? to remember username, then forget when that nick is typed...01:31
enrico_considering that is possible... it could be nice making a script to let ubuntu install like knoppix boot01:31
bob2enrico_: when does anyone need to know what a ves driver is to install?01:32
Kamionplovs_work: we do not need more noise in this channel, bot-generated or otherwise.01:32
tollyi installed the one from the website already01:32
enrico_a safer OS that ms's, in less time01:32
tollythe one in ubuntu wasnt good01:32
bob2Kamion: wait until the spambots arrive01:32
tollydidnt work01:32
Kamionenrico_: you only need to know about the vesa driver if your graphics card and monitor can't be autodetected.01:32
bob2tolly: and what package exactly did you install?01:32
bob2tolly: and what are you compioling?  please don't say eggdrop.01:32
Kamionenrico_: in which case, this is the best we can do at the present time.01:32
|trey|Kamion: could /notice the person... is private, but still in channel...01:32
bronsonOK, I gotta run.01:32
bronsonGood night all.01:32
Kamionno bots, mmkay01:32
bronsonI expect to see the wiki twice as big when I get back.  ;)01:33
tollyi compile the tcl and tk from the tcl/tk website and installed it, im trying to install a program called cnet01:33
philipp1night bronson :-)01:33
stvnnight bronson 01:33
plovs_workbronson, nice vacation!01:33
bob2tolly: if you installed tcl from source then you need to point cnet's configure script at what you installed01:33
enrico_youall: nooo, i dont really think so.. because vesa driver is ok for the 95% of the hw now in commerce... you could make a type of installation were everything is automated...01:33
bob2tolly: but you really don't need to build tcl from source01:33
enrico_like at the boot prompt an "easy" option01:33
|trey|tolly: you have those -dev packages?01:33
bob2enrico_: vesa is horrible01:33
tollyi always have trouble with those  packages and stuff, they always stuff up01:34
Kamionenrico_: that's the intent of the default. it's as automated as we can safely do01:34
enrico_but it works01:34
Hawkeyehmm, it seems most services on unbuntu are configured to use the inetd superserver. Is there any way to specify globally you don't want that and will start the services in standalone mode ? 01:34
bob2tolly: then you're doing it wrong01:34
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bob2tolly: come in and ask for help with tat instead of saying it's "broken".01:34
bob2Hawkeye: no01:34
bob2Hawkeye: and very few useful services run out of inetd by default.01:34
bob2maybe samba and ftpds.01:35
|trey|enrico_: you can have it so the installer just installs files if you really wanted, already...01:35
enrico_well... with the things im telling you itll be even more automated01:35
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|trey|Thats pretty automated....01:35
Kamionenrico_: no, it will just break for lots of people and we'll have to support them.01:35
patrick1548ltsp on ubuntu is great01:35
enrico_well if it breaks you can reinstall without the "easy" option01:35
enrico_...easy as in sex01:35
helixwhat the01:35
Kamionenrico_: we automate graphics card detection; if it doesn't work for you, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration for how to help us improve it.01:35
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Hawkeyebob2: yep, ftpds... but pure-ftpd has an option to configure it as standalone. Apache starts as a daemon on itself too. I'll simply change the configuration of pure-ftpd to start in standonle mode and nuke the inet.d server from the runlevels with update-rc.d01:36
Kamionenrico_: I am one of the people who would have to support this, and it doesn't work that way01:36
|trey|Kamion: perhaps only prompt for "type" and list easy - difficult... time out to easy...01:36
Kamion|trey|: no.01:36
Kamion|trey|: the default is easy.01:36
bob2Hawkeye: just don't install inetd then...01:36
|trey|Kamion: fair enough  :)01:36
Kamion|trey|: if it isn't easy enough, then we should fix the default.01:36
enrico_i can support ubuntu in the county of parma01:36
Hawkeyebob2: it's installed by default01:36
pantz_do i need to do anything more than 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' to move from the preview release to the 4.1 release?01:36
enrico_without having ppl to bother you01:36
Hawkeyeand a lot of services depend on it01:36
philipp1is there a way to copy something from cd to hd and giving it write permissions ?01:37
Kamionenrico_: I'm the installer team leader; like it or not, people will bother me :-)01:37
enrico_... moreover.. it'll be nice to have programs already localizaed01:37
stvnpantz_: apt-get dist-upgrade is better01:37
bob2pantz_: there's a page on the wiki about it01:37
Hawkeyethat's the beauty of a system like gentoo, where you simply specify USE=-xinetd before compiling to drop support 01:37
pantz_stvn, bob2 thanks01:37
|trey|Kamion: the X configuration shouldn't be there... IMO, and mail should default to the only user made...01:37
enrico_bcause firefox isnt01:37
Kamion|trey|: it isn't, if it's autodetected01:37
bob2|trey|: hahahahahaha01:37
danielsenrico_: vesa just isn't an option.01:37
Kamion|trey|: if it didn't work for you, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration01:37
bob2pantz_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes01:38
Kamion|trey|: you don't have to configure mail in the installer01:38
danielsenrico_: it doesn't necessarily work on all chipsets, it's incredibly slow, et al.  it would support far less hardware than our current setup.01:38
bob2enrico_: please help localise firefox then01:38
|trey|Kamion: it was right, but I was prompted to accept each screen... thats how I usually have it... but n00b's might be confused  :(01:38
daniels|trey|: in that case, you have found a bug, and please follow Kamion's link to debug it and file a bug if you want to see it improved01:39
|trey|Kamion: oh, well I think you did for the Preview Release? I was kinda high when I installed RC  :o01:39
enrico_bob2: firefox is already localized in italian... i can help localizing your web site... im only askin to the installer team to plz make autolocalization01:39
enrico_btw GREAT JOB01:39
plovs_workKamion, should we have some sort of DebugCategory? Ending thos kind of docs in Debug? what do you think?01:39
|trey|ahh... uhh, k  :o01:39
Kamion|trey|: then X autoconfiguration failed; see the wiki page I quoted01:39
bob2enrico_: "autolocalization"?01:39
enrico_yeah... if my system language is italian id like firefox to be in italian to01:40
Kamion|trey|: may've done for the preview, it was long enough ago that I forget01:40
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stvnenrico_: it does that already, doesn't it, I selected dutch on one of my machines and everything is in dutch, if available01:40
enrico_not in mine: firefox is in english01:40
SmokingFireIs there something that looks and feels like soundjuicer but has grip's options?01:40
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|trey|Kamion: I remember cuz I haven't configured Postfix that much... usually use Exim...01:41
mjrenrico_, hm, do you mean that the language preferences that it sends to web sites should reflect the locale by default?01:41
ajamestvn, vietnamese is available?01:41
helixdoesn't firefox use some other kind of configuration for l10n?01:41
Kamionplovs_work: don't look at me for documentation categorisation ideas :)01:41
mojo_ajama, u viet01:41
stvnajame: I don't know really, I would think so, since it is in debian01:41
Kamionplovs_work: just please don't take the link away from the front page, we want that visible01:41
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enrico_no the menu's language01:41
mojo_stvn: yes, Viet locale works with me, need install urw font for Viet01:42
Kamionenrico_: better installation of l10n packages is a target for Hoary.01:42
plovs_workok, i'll rename it and put it right back01:42
enrico_well itll be pretty nice if also the webpage were...01:42
Kamionenrico_: as are a bunch of other localisation things01:42
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|trey|daniels: link bookmarked... I will do it when no one is on AIM :)01:42
enrico_thx kamion... UBUNTU is going to be the official release for the basic linux course [obviously free course]  we are organizing01:43
SavuZiilfinally installed ubuntu, as the linux newbie i am i cant install samba, any help would be welcome01:43
mojo_Hey everone, pitti just give me the update that can't make it to Warty release (too late to add in), it fixes hotplug issues and volume-manger issues, plese get it asap from this respo: deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~pitti/utopia/  /01:43
bob2SavuZiil: run synaptic, select samba01:43
|trey|enrico_: yay... Ubuntu should have more things like that... Red Hat has classes  :)01:43
bob2mojo_: are you sure pitti wanted you to get random end-users to install them?01:43
pittimojo_: hey, "asap" is a bit too quick :-)01:43
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ajamemojo_, yes 01:44
pittibob2: actually not01:44
bob2yeah, didn't think so.01:44
SavuZiildamn, how can i log in as the root usr01:44
|trey|pitti: not at all, cuz if its not possible right now, he doesn't want you to do it  :)01:44
enrico_so who should i ask to for the website translation01:44
SavuZiili only have 1 user01:44
bob2mojo_: I'm sure martin can broadcast if it he wants to :-)01:44
bob2SavuZiil: you don't login as root01:44
|trey|pitti: what cool toys are there?01:44
pitti|trey|: it is possible, it actually works pretty good01:44
mojo_yeay bob201:44
pittiIt's just the latest hal and g-v-m crack01:44
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bob2pitti: built on ppc?01:45
SavuZiilthe whole concept of root is kinda hazy to me01:45
pittiit fixes some bugs, and probably introduces a hell of a lot of new ones :-)01:45
pittibob2: no, not yes01:45
bob2SavuZiil: run synaptic.  it will ask for your user password. enter it. it will run as root.01:45
pittibob2: s/yes/yet/01:45
mojo_|trey|: cool hack man, it's for next Hoary, I've already got it!01:45
Hawkeyebtw, is there any use for the rsync server that's started up by default ?01:45
bob2Hawkeye: dude, rsync is not started by default01:45
bob2Hawkeye: nor is inetd01:45
|trey|pitti: hal's device manager gain interface to install and remove devices?01:45
KamionSavuZiil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root01:45
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pittiI will do ppc packages soon, though01:45
bob2pitti: ah, cool...01:46
SavuZiilbob2: it says i have to be logged in as root user, i tried to run synaptic from the terminal01:46
pitti|trey|: no, "maanger" is still the wrong word01:46
bob2SavuZiil: what says that?01:46
pitti|trey|: it's a debugging tool01:46
KamionSavuZiil: run it from the menu01:46
KamionSavuZiil: it's under Computer somewhere01:46
KamionSavuZiil: (otherwise, 'sudo synaptic')01:46
|trey|pitti: hal-device-manager  :/01:46
pittibob2: I'm currently syncing and cleaning up g-v-m, upload it to my archive, and then build ppc debs01:46
bob2pitti: ah, fair enough, I'll have a testrun tommorow01:47
SavuZiilfound it01:47
pitti|trey|: hal-nice-and-colorful-debugging-tool01:47
|trey|pitti: but it would be cool to be able to actually CONFIGURE modules, rather then just look at what is loaded  :/01:47
|trey|I know whats loaded  :/01:47
enrico_two things...01:47
enrico_1) can i install non-ubuntu packages?01:48
SavuZiilthanx bob2, kamion01:48
enrico_2) who should i ask to for the web site translation?01:48
|trey|If I took this harddrive to another box, and things aren't working, would be cool to NOT have to go to CLI, this is a desktop... You're meant to click things on desktops...01:48
pitti|trey|: in a restricted sense, the new hal actually allows to configure things01:48
bob2enrico_: from Debian? probably, but it's not supported.01:48
pitti|trey|: they added persistent keys, user policies and such01:48
|trey|pitti: thats one thing I would love to see, thats all  :)01:49
pitti|trey|: sth of this could be exploited to do very cool things01:49
|trey|pitti: yay  :)01:49
Kamionenrico_: we aren't up and running with web site translation facilities yet; patience :-)01:49
enrico_what about bittorrent? there's no gui in your repository01:49
bob2enrico_: yes there is.01:49
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bob2enrico_: bittornado includes one.01:49
enrico_synaptic only has bittorent01:50
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|trey|Better configuration + Netscape Security Services when they are GPL'ed = very good things for the future  :)01:50
bob2enrico_: it's in universe.01:50
Kamionthe 'bittorrent' package has btdownloadgui, too, if you also install libwxgtk2.4-python01:50
pantz_b4 updgrading my kernel with 'apt-get install linux-686', uname -a gave me this ouput01:51
pantz_Linux faramir #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux01:51
enrico_where can i find the universe section in synaptic?01:51
pantz_and after a reboot i have this ...01:51
pantz_Linux faramir #1 Tue Oct 12 13:10:36 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux01:51
Kamionshould be in the default sources.list but commented out, go to Settings -> Repositories01:51
thomerzi have a question, i'm a linux newbie, and have installed ubuntu on my system, but there is no root account bzw. i don't know the root pwd, how can i change this??01:51
|trey|+ IMO Helix01:51
Kamionin fact, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto01:51
pantz_should i have installed the 'linux-386' package?01:51
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Kamionpantz_: up to you01:51
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bob2thomerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo01:51
pantz_why did the installer give me a 386 to start with?01:52
mvo_enrico_: enable it in the repository window01:52
Kamionpantz_: the installer only installs linux-386 because we only wanted one kernel on the CD01:52
SavuZiilalso can someone help me with installing java (allready downloaded java1.4.2 for linux bin-file , cant really do anything more with it)01:52
pantz_Kamion, thanks :)01:52
bob2thomerz: also, it told you after the install that there was no root acount and you should usse sudo01:52
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thomerzyes bob2, but i also need a pwd for sudo01:52
bob2thomerz: yes, that's your user password01:52
pantz_Kamion: I have an athlon XP 2500+, is the 686 the optimal package?01:53
bob2Kamion: doesn't the installer explain the sudo thing?01:53
thomerzthx bob201:53
|trey|bob2: the dialogue still says "Changing user...", misleading, and pretty confusing...01:54
atariboylibtoolize isn't in universe. how else can i get it? i heard debian packages are not a good idea on ubuntu. would i need to compile it?01:54
|trey|Validating... would be more clear...01:54
bob2|trey|: that's not what I'm talking about01:54
bob2|trey|: if you think it could be clearer, file a bug01:54
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Kamionpantz_: linux-k7, I suspect01:55
Kamionbob2: yes01:55
bob2atariboy: it's in the "libtool" package01:55
|trey|bob2: I'm just mentioning something that confused me at first...01:55
Kamion|trey|: but it is changing user01:55
|trey|Set root password, and tried that at first...01:55
Kamionit's switching privileges to the root user01:55
pantz_Kamion, so should i 'apt-get remove linux-686 && apt-get install linux-k7'?01:55
Kamionpantz_: not a big deal, if you want to01:56
|trey|Kamion: but "Change user" usually means it requires another accounts password... you didn't create one  :/01:56
Kamionpantz_: I wouldn't remove your running kernel if I were you, though01:56
atariboybob2: oh ta. i tried apt-getting libtoolize. is there a command to find items within packages?01:56
pantz_any real performance change?01:56
Kamion|trey|: I don't think so01:56
Kamionpantz_: some, not massive01:56
bob2atariboy: packages.debian.org01:56
pantz_ok thanks01:56
bob2Kamion: is there a plan for a packages.d.o equivalent?01:56
|trey|Kamion: well, it confused me, so I'm sure it confused others... it was the first time I questioned having made a root...01:56
atariboythanks bob2 01:56
|trey|bob2: I asked that too  :)01:57
Kamionbob2: yes01:57
|trey|Kamion: yay  :)01:57
SmokingFirewhats a good value for ogg bitrate? And should I use variable bitrate?01:59
bob2listen to it and see, and yes.02:00
Kamion"listen to it and hear", surely? :-)02:00
SmokingFireCan I also say with VBR, bitrate can go up but not down.02:00
TreenaksSmokingFire: I don't use bitrates, I use qualities... -q502:00
bob2the default is ~mp3 at 128kbit/s, I think02:00
SmokingFireOk, I think I will just look  it up on ogg's site, to many questions, thanks anyway02:01
|trey|bob2: a *good* mp3 is usually about that  :)02:02
enrico_well but will the things installed from universe have a link in the menu?02:02
|trey|enrico_: so far, for me, no... Ubuntu packages should though  :(02:03
|trey|Only installed bzflag from universe though...02:03
enrico_well how can i know if a package in universe... or restricted... or main02:03
|trey|That is a fun game, should be in main  :)02:04
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bob2enrico_: apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section02:04
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enrico_in synaptic?02:04
|trey|enrico_: when its not in main or resticted, activate the universe and multiverse repo... when you are done, can then deactivate...02:05
bob2enrico_: no ide02:05
|trey|Eventually, there will be a packages.d.o equivelent though apparently  :)02:05
PizbitG'damn am I glad I didn't shove a -o in there else I would just have spammed the channel *grin*02:05
|trey|Pizbit: good job, meet #flood  :)02:06
PizbitOTOH got link handling back into xchat, stupid me for screwing that up earlier.02:06
enrico_|trey|: it isnt a very useful solution02:06
enrico_...and how can i open a terminal?02:06
|trey|enrico_: you can do all that in synaptic...02:06
mvo_enrico_: it has this little support icon when it's in main, otherwise it's not02:06
enrico_ apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section ???02:06
elvstonehm, i've got a computer set up with ubunto and gnome, and most of the interface are in swedish, but some for some items the translation is missing, and i think this is because of some of the modification ubuntu has made to the gnome it ships.. would it be easy for me to get the .po-files for the gnome that ubuntu uses and correct the translations?02:06
bob2enrico_: look in the properties02:07
elvstonehas anyone done this themselves?02:07
enrico_bob2: it says version: warty ...02:07
|trey|Just 2 clicks in 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...02:07
PizbitArgh, silenceing the output of a command totally? &2&1>1 or something innit?02:07
bob2enrico_: read the Section02:07
enrico_ahh ok ...got02:07
bob2Pizbit: > /dev/null 2>&102:07
|trey|Just 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...02:07
|trey|^ English02:07
enrico_trey: ... then02:08
enrico_other 4 clicks... to deselect02:08
|trey|Then "mark for install"...02:08
Pizbitw00t, that did the trick02:08
|trey|dselect sucks, at least use aptitude if you need an ncurses interface  :/02:08
|trey|Synaptic is the best available option for GTK though... desktops are for clicking things...02:09
KamionIME aptitude's UI is considerably less comprehensible than dselect02:09
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KamionI wouldn't recommend either to new users02:09
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|trey|I want my users to only be clicking... then they can't skrew anything up  :/02:10
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|trey|If they're trusted, they can use sudo  :)02:11
|trey|Pizbit: Pretty easily... everytime I go out it seems like I get a gun pulled on me  :/02:11
PizbitAhhh, so that's why there's an = sign in the taskbar entry for my program, it means it's shaded:)02:12
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|trey|I can't have a gun, cuz then I'd be in violation  :/02:12
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|trey|Not so much  :/02:12
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GotD0tman.... its friday i have 2 classes today02:13
GotD0tthat sucks02:13
|trey|I have Fridays off, I rule :)02:13
GotD0tyou suck02:13
PizbitThen again this monday is a public holiday02:13
GotD0tI have one thats an hour long... and one thats an hour and 40 long02:13
GotD0tis it?02:13
|trey|[angryistfaceicanmake] 02:14
PizbitHere in NZ anyway, so I'm gonna be doing sweet nothing.02:14
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GotD0tNZ... heh02:14
|trey|Pizbit: I had Monday off... sucked though, cut into Lab time  :(02:14
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terozh guyz02:15
|trey|teroz: holla02:15
|trey|I don't mean that I don't think  :o02:15
mojo_Pizbit: hello mate, - a hello from fellow OZ neighbor02:16
terozthis may sound dumb - how do i start gnome - as in there is no startgnome script anymoe02:16
|trey|teroz: startx02:16
Pizbitmojo_: Argh! An aussie! :)02:16
|trey|teroz: X give errors?02:16
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mojo_Pizbit: mate, we won't loose to NZ in rugby!02:16
GotD0tIts amazing how bad the coffee from the cafeteria at my school is, when compaired to the stuff i got at home02:17
Pizbitmojo_: See, you're proving that the stereotype is true, aussies are damned liars, every one of them!02:17
|trey|First time I installed Ubuntu, I was @ 600x480, I was mad  :(  Reinstalling seemed to fix it though, ugh, never got to see why  :(02:17
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Pizbit|trey|: I had a crapload of problems until I use noapic, or was it pci=noacpi? Either way I keep both:)02:18
|trey|Except every other time, it asked me... so that was ok...02:18
|trey|Pizbit: I used boot=nofb  :/02:19
PizbitAhh, maybe that's what I need to get rid of that02:19
|trey|Its not in my grub.conf(menu.lst) though  :/02:19
elvstone"Ubuntu includes the best translations available for the Ubuntu desktop software (and you can help to improve those translations!)" <- from ubuntu website.. where can i find a public repository of these translations (specifically the one for the gnome ui)?02:20
GotD0twhats the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD for use in a normal cd player?02:20
PizbitJust tack on nofb for the grub line eh?02:20
|trey|elvstone: those are in developement afaik02:20
|trey|GotD0t: Most would say Sound-Juicer is a good option....02:20
elvstone|trey|: the translations? i'm aware of that, but aren't the translations in work available somewhere?02:21
GotD0t|trey| isnt that a ripper?02:21
|trey|elvstone: not entirely sure, don't know where...02:21
mrjiveGotD0t: line command or gui?02:21
GotD0tmrjive: either way02:21
|trey|GotD0t: yes... thats what you wanted... to get the cd's music files onto your disk?02:21
elvstone|trey|: i'm interested in fixing some things with the swedish translation (which is OK in standard gnome, but a bit broken on ubuntu).02:21
GotD0t|trey| no... the other way around02:22
mrjiveGotD0t: there are several, eroaster is not bad, for me :)02:22
|trey|GotD0t: from harddrive to cd?02:22
GotD0tmrjive: does it come preinstalled?02:22
LinuxJonesGotD0t, try grip02:22
elvstone|trey|: it's weird how they say you can help out but they don't have their changes in public anywhere..02:22
mrjiveGotD0t: nope02:22
GotD0tk... really wanted to do it before I leave for class... the CD's in my car are pissing me off02:23
GotD0tguess not going to happen02:23
|trey|GotD0t: Umm... cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=<some_number> --audio file1.audio file2.audio02:23
|trey|Thats the way I use... faster  :/02:23
Treenaksno -- before speed, afaik02:23
enrico_i've installed xmms but it doenst display in multimedia menu02:23
|trey|Treenaks: man cdrecord  :/02:23
|trey|enrico_: add it...02:24
enrico_i can...02:24
enrico_but a normal user can't02:24
mrjiveTreenaks: you're right, no -- before speed02:25
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|trey|Right click within the multimedia menu, entire menu > add new item to this menu... works for my regular user  :/02:25
mojo_Pizbit: mate, calm down02:25
GotD0twell you can also exit and restart X02:25
Pizbitmojo_: Heh, you didn't take that seriously did ya?02:26
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|trey|mrjive: umm, well it works for me as --speed... I burn everything with cdrecord  :/02:26
|trey|Which amounts to about 3 discs a week...02:26
GotD0twell im off... gotta finish getting ready for class02:26
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|trey|4 days of which don't count, cuz on those days I have no time...02:27
mrjive|trey|: ok maybe it is the same... i never put -- before speed :)02:27
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|trey|mrjive: cool... 2 less charectors... if it breaks I know where to find you  ;)02:27
mojo_Pizbit: nah mate02:27
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mrjive|trey|: :PP02:28
|trey|mrjive: he tried to correct me though, shouldn't correct something that isn't wrong...02:29
mrjive|trey|: :)02:29
|trey|Can say "ya know, -- isn't needed  ;)"... would be better recieved  :)02:30
enrico_WHAT I HUMBLY WANTED TO MEAN is that a normal user that wants to install a programs... would also like to have it linked as in windows... some kinds of automation02:30
|trey|enrico_: I already said that I agree, they should be added... but their not... add it manually... file a bug though perhaps?02:31
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|trey|enrico_: and don't yell... please  :)02:32
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mrjiveciao enrico_02:32
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enrico_ciao a te02:33
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ctalkephi there02:34
pantz_now that i have done a 'apt-get install linux-k7' - how did i remove the linux-686 i just apt-get installed b4 it?02:34
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pantz_i tried apt-get remove linux-686 and it did stuff but didn't remove the kernel02:34
pantz_and it is still in my grub menu.lst02:34
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pantz_and i just rebooted into 686 - so it is still around :)02:35
GotD0t-outanybody have a clue as to how i can reduce the ringing from my CRT? besides of course changing the refresh rate?02:35
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Zindarpantz: linux-686 is just a metapackage02:35
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atariboyhornbeck: hey02:35
pantz_Zindar, ok - so i can't remove it?02:36
Zindarpantz: linux-image-686 is the kernel02:36
hornbeckatariboy: check the third line of the BeagleInstallHowto02:36
hornbeckatariboy: the first line will give you mono in your sources02:36
Zindarpantz: sorry.. hold02:36
|trey|linux-image-2.6-<$ARCH> is right...02:36
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pantz_Zindar, ok02:36
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Daidojire all :)02:37
|trey|you can have debfoster "keep" that... then it makes only keeping the newest installed kernel easier...02:37
Zindarpantz: linux-image- is the kernel02:37
pantz_ok and so i could apt-get remove linux-image-686?02:38
|trey|Zindar: what I said better manages kernel ver... debfoster should be edited via packages and kept away from users though  :)02:38
DaidojiI have a question : it seem that the (etc...) in filename under win32 are a great pb under ubuntu (for example, impossible to listen a mp3)02:39
|trey|Useful, but perhaps confusing, user CAN edit it if they know where the file is though  :)02:39
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pantz_Zindar Oh - i see them all in synaptic now with a search for linux-image - should be ok now - thanks02:39
Daidojidoes exist a solution ? (another than rename them /P )02:39
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geccocan anbody help with a small problem in ubuntu-linux?02:40
|trey|Should definatly be frontends for grub menu items, and packages installed though... like a Debfoster frontend...02:40
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theineis there a clean way to switch the window manager in gnome 2.8 rather than the infamous ``killall metacity && openbox'' or whatever?02:41
|trey|GRUB config like system-config-boot on Fedora... its a helpful tool, and keeps you away from CLI, which is good for a Desktop, cuz desktops are for clicking  :)02:41
|trey|theine: if you find one, let me know  :)02:42
|trey|theine: other then ~/.xinitrc of course + restart of X server...02:43
geccoi installed the latest firfox and removed the 0.93-version. Now i want ubuntu to use the new firefox as the default-application for www - links02:43
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Daidojierf. in fact it seems that i have an overall pb with the 'codec' : When i would like to play a simple mp3 for example, totem or rythm does not know what to do :( ... ("Failed to Play : reason unknown" or "couldn't locate mp3 plugin")... erf :S02:44
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Daidojigecco : preference, prefered application, no ?02:44
TreenaksDaidoji: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats02:44
DaidojiTreenaks, thanks, i go see 02:45
geccodaidoji: i tried, but it doesn't work02:45
Daidojigecco : i'll try in some sec.02:45
DaidojiTreenaks, Thanks :)02:45
Treenaksgecco: see that page too02:46
Kamionplovs_work: hm, only problem with renaming DebuggingXautoconfiguration is that we've pointed a lot of people to that in mailing list posts and such, and now that leads to a nasty not-found page02:47
geccothis one? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats02:47
mrjivecannot find the link to the faq page for totem/divx .... can someone.... please... ;)02:47
hornbeckKamion: renaming?02:48
geccohttp://www.theora.org/ 02:48
geccomrjive: http://www.theora.org/02:49
Daidojigecco : i just tried with mozilla in place of firebird, and no pb :S. i just switch in the preference/applications prfrs (in french sorry) 02:49
DaidojiTreenaks, the pb is that i already have installed the library (mad) for mp3 ^^;;02:50
geccoDaidoji: Do you can download the newest Firefox? www.mozilla.org and try with it?02:51
Kamionhornbeck: to XautoconfigurationDebug apparently02:51
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chowells2is there any packages for ubuntu of xine with encrypted DVD support?02:51
Daidojigecco : no, i only took the mozilla 1.5 distrib debian02:51
hornbeckKamion: was that a problem?02:52
Kamionhornbeck: see what I just said?02:52
LinuxJoneschowells , >>  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats02:52
geccoThe newest Firefox has an automatic Plugin-function..... no more manual plugin installing needed02:52
TreenaksDaidoji: did you restart the program?02:52
DaidojiTreenaks, yes.02:52
hornbeckKamion: yeah I see02:52
cenerentolaim enrico_ i just wanted to know if the nvidia driver are embedded in the installation02:53
geccoif there is a plugin like flashplayer is missing it starts an automatic installation02:53
Treenaksgecco: DON'T install that firefox.. it's buggy and 0.9.3 works fine02:53
Daidojigecco : you talk about the 1.0Pr?02:53
Kamionhornbeck: maybe we could add a placeholder page or something if the renaming's important02:53
geccoDaidoji: yes02:53
Treenaksgecco: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree02:53
pisukegecco,  if only it installed the java plugin. at least with flash works02:53
DaidojiTreenaks, I have the same pb under rythm too02:53
hornbeckKamion: I will talk to plovs about that02:53
TreenaksDaidoji: you might need to logout/login02:53
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DaidojiTreenaks, oki, i will try.02:54
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DaidojiTreenaks, by the way, after reading the page you give me the url : all my anime fansub wich is in XVid/OGM is at put on trash ? :S02:55
Daidojibe back02:55
cenerentolahey... are the nvidia driver included in the installation media=?02:56
LinuxJonescenerentola, no they are in restricted, but the nv dirver is available02:57
mrjivegecco: mmm wasn't there a page on ubuntulinux.org?02:58
geccomrjive: this is the site from ubuntu02:58
deFryskcenerentola, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:58
plovs_workKamion, i'll add a link, sorry02:59
Kamionplovs_work: cool, thanks02:59
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plovs_workKamion, ok, back on track03:02
SavuZiilhow can i access the trash bin if i accidentally removed it from the taskbar03:02
hornbeckplovs_work: I have a email going to devel about this type stuff, please add your input.03:02
cenerentolahow can i open a terminal03:02
thomerzanybody here who can help me with gdesklets?03:03
TreenaksSavuZiil: right-click the panel, Add new item to panel, trashcan03:03
Treenakscenerentola: right-click on the desktop, click Open Terminal in the menu03:03
SavuZiilTreenaks: thanx03:03
PizbitSavuZiil: You can put it back again:) Or look in nautilus and click on one of the menus at the top, it'll have Trash or something in it03:03
plovs_workhornbeck, hi! what stuff, redirecting/renaming?03:03
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PizbitAh, "places"03:04
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plovs_workhornbeck, what do you think, should we duplicate stuff that is also on the www.ubuntulinux.org site? there it is not editable03:05
cenerentolahey hey i got a bug error03:05
Treenakscenerentola: bug error?03:05
cenerentola..big error03:05
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cenerentola"*Starting hotplu subsystem..03:05
plovs_workabout renaming what do you want me to add? renaming is a bad habit(TM), but until the wiki runs smoothly it might happen every once in a while03:06
Treenakscenerentola: yes, and?03:06
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hornbeckplovs_work:Iam running right now so post in mailing about it03:06
ctalkepanyone here know how the translation of ubuntu is going?03:06
cenerentolamodprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/ : Operation not permitted03:06
plovs_workhornbeck, about duplicating eg qemu emulation used to be on the wiki and then got removed and put on www.ubunt.... no I wouldn't have found it I only read the wiki03:06
plovs_workhornbeck, ok03:07
cenerentolamodprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (lib/modules/ operation permitted03:07
cenerentolawhat's that?03:07
hornbeckplovs_work: I think there are alot of areas we are going to have to address but I think enrico wants alot more input than we are letting him have, so it is just better to do most discussion on the mailing list03:08
senectusI'm having weird problems with the wireless in my thinkpad.. anyone here have time to help me for a bit? 03:08
Treenakscenerentola: it shouldn't matter if the system starts normally03:08
cenerentolatreenaks: yeah... but i dont like errors03:09
thomerzanybody here who can help me with gdesklets?03:09
cenerentolamainly at boot time03:09
Treenakscenerentola: file a bug then03:09
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cenerentolais it a bug?... thought just a configuration error03:10
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Treenakscenerentola: if it errors it's a bug, I guess03:10
PizbitGah, only sound for half a second at the start of this asf 03:10
stvncenerentola: I have the same error, but since my computer works just gine, I've learned to ignore it ;)03:11
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mirak_-good morning all03:11
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LinuxJoneshi mirak_03:14
stvnhi, is it possible that mounted directories do /not/ appear on the desktop?03:21
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plovs_workhornbeck, ok, send it to the list03:21
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hornbeckI replyed already:)03:22
patrick1548can someone tell me how to add a ohoto to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?03:22
stvnoh I found it laready03:22
patrick1548can someone tell me how to add a photo to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?03:22
Kamionplovs_work: the plan eventually is to link the wiki into the web site, so I'd recommend against duplicating content for now.03:23
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hornbeckKamion: Will the wiki always not stand though?03:24
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Kamion"always not stand"?03:24
patrick1548PLZ 03:24
hornbeckKamion: Until doc writers are able to update the website(which I don't see happening anytime soon), will we not need duplication03:25
stvnpatrick1548: save a photo as .face in your home dir03:25
hornbeckKamion: sorry, will it not always be there03:25
Kamionhornbeck: actually I thought there was a plan to get non-Canonical people updating the web site in the near future, but I don't know ...03:25
Kamionhornbeck: sure, the wiki won't be obsoleted, I was talking about linking the two together not removing the wiki03:25
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hornbeckKamion: I have not been told so, so no doc member that I know of is planning on this03:26
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Kamionhornbeck: not your plan ... :)03:26
Kamionhornbeck: the website people03:26
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LinuxJonesCan someone please install and run chkrootkit. I have 14 hidden processes running and possible  LKM Trojan installed. I am hoping if it is just a false alarm :)03:26
hornbeckKamion: the wiki is being mainly updated by the doc people right now so I guess we will need to join forces with the web people03:26
jacobNo updates released for WW so far ight?03:27
Kamionhornbeck: yeah, I know03:27
Kamionjacob: not yet03:27
hornbeckKamion: who are web people?03:27
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Kamionhornbeck: lu and silbs I think03:28
TreenaksLinuxJones: are you running it as root?03:28
LinuxJonesTreenaks, yes03:28
TreenaksLinuxJones: what programs did you install?03:28
hornbeckKamion: I will touch base with them on all this than03:29
LinuxJonesTreenaks, I have no services running and a firewall. I jsut usually idel here in IRC ans websurf. I am pretty sure it is jsut a false-positive.03:29
TreenaksLinuxJones: is it ubuntu?03:29
LinuxJonesgod my typing is horrible ;(03:29
LinuxJonesTreenaks, oh yes03:29
TreenaksLinuxJones: default kernel?03:29
LinuxJonesTreenaks, ya i38603:30
TreenaksLinuxJones: does netstat  tell you if any ports are open (listening)?03:30
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LinuxJonesTreenaks, no netstat -tap shows nothing03:30
LinuxJonesTreenaks, except for xchat that is03:30
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thomerzanybody here who can help me with gdesklets?03:31
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Treenaksthomerz: the manual, probably03:32
LinuxJonesTreenaks, lsof -i shows just my running (desktop) applications and dhclient303:32
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LinuxJonessiretart, hello03:34
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izthomerz, whats the problem?03:34
siretartim trying to install warty with the installer cd. partman fails to detect my existing partitions03:34
siretartwhat can I do to debug the problem?03:34
LinuxJonessiretart, someone last night had the same problem, he had a sata hard drive.03:35
siretartLinuxJones: this is an ibm thinkpad r40, plain ide03:36
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LinuxJonessiretart, that's odd 03:36
siretartfunny: a `fdisk -l /dev/ide0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc` shows all partitions03:36
maswandaniels: If you're still around, why the ifup on ath0 and eth1? I don't have eth1 listed as auto in interfaces for a reason..03:37
LinuxJonessiretart, you might want to look @ bugzilla someone else had the same problem last week.03:37
siretartI dont want to kill the partition table but install ubuntu to /dev/hda2. perhaps I have to debbootstrap it :/03:37
maswandaniels: in resume.sh that is.03:37
danielsi just didn't really change the default behaviour03:38
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siretartLinuxJones: i just checked bugs.debian.org/partman, nothing applicable. i'll now consult ubuntus bugzilla03:38
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siretartLinuxJones: did you mean #2412?03:39
siretartSmokingFire: success03:40
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SmokingFiresiretart: just trying as on other irc servers when I typed something I got disconnected.03:40
Kamionsiretart: does 'parted -s /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' show all partitions?03:40
LinuxJonessiretart, I don't know the exact reference but the person with the problem was going to submitt a bug to Ubuntu bugzilla03:41
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theineanybody using the intel ipw2100 wireless card in here?03:41
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Daidojihello again03:43
siretartKamion: i get an error message about not beeing able to align partiton (whatever that means)03:43
gnuyenif you have a /dev/md device inside of fstab set as auto, how does that mount before the mdadm service starts?03:43
DaidojiTreenaks, it seem that my pb is bind to my soundcard in fact !(-03:43
Kamionsiretart: well, that would explain the problem, at any rate03:43
TreenaksDaidoji: uh? sorry?03:43
Kamionsiretart: now you have something more concrete to google for :)03:43
DaidojiTreenaks, The pb was : coulnd't listen mp :)03:43
siretartKamion: on my way. thank you! :)03:43
maswandaniels: Ok. Odd then, well, should be working now. Just testing it. :)03:44
siretartKamion: do you think that specifying the geometry of the disc as kernel parameter would help?03:44
DaidojiTreenaks, The pb was that i couldn't use mp3, ogg, or anything multimedia. i have installed all the library needed (mad for example) and no progress. So , i tried one of the system sound, and no sound at all :S. so i think that my pb is bind to my soundcard. And dunno where watch to resolve it :S (on mandrake i know, but here....)03:45
Kamionsiretart: guess it's possible, but I don't know much more than you here03:45
danielsmaswan: rad03:46
maswandaniels: .. damn.03:46
maswandaniels: My testing just hit the same thing of not saying anything after cpyfreq: resume failed to assert...03:47
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danielsit hung after that?03:47
danielsi get that all the time and it seems to be non-fatal03:47
danielsyou're removing ipw2100 and ipw2200?03:47
dkgnow gnome doesnt want to start anymore.03:47
maswandaniels: yeah03:47
dkgwithout any error message.03:47
maswandaniels: and yeah03:47
dkgwhat happend?03:47
maswandaniels: And I get that all the time, even when it is working03:48
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maswandaniels: It is just that the stuff that usually prints after cpufreq never happens.03:48
lrnI had all the time the beta release03:48
dkgafter gdm I login.03:48
lrnnow i need to download again the iso ?03:48
maswandaniels: It might be rarer now when removing them, I don't know yet. Need to get a significant sample first. ;)03:48
danielsyeah, that's really weird03:48
dkgthen the cursor, then nothing.03:48
danielsheh, yeah03:48
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danielsyou have an x40, yeah?03:48
dkgis it a well known bug?03:48
lrnany one ?03:48
JanneMlrn: no03:49
Kamionlrn: no, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes03:49
lrnso only apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?03:49
dkgI've to give a talk. it will be bad without a running windowmanager.03:49
dkghelp me, please..03:49
maswandaniels: with ipw2100 module load03:49
Kamionlrn: see the wiki page for additional instructions03:49
MarcNMy laptop is running debian/sarge and I'm using grub.  Will installing warty in a free partition going to trash my current grub install?  03:49
maswanKamion: btw, sorry about the double mail, I just thought of it after sending the mail.03:49
danielsmaswan: loaded, or rmmod'ed?03:50
KamionMarcN: it'll overwrite it, but it should suck the configuration out of your existing grub install03:50
Kamionmaswan: no problem03:50
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dkgI#ll doo a apt-get upgrade03:50
MarcNKamion: so I if I want to ditch warty (I'm sure it is wonderful), just boot my current sarge and run grub-install?03:51
dkghopefully its working afterwards.03:51
Daidojiwhere i must see to get my soundcard propertie under ubuntu ?03:51
maswandaniels: Well, it is what is loaded when running, and I just verified that the rmmod line in suspend.sh does remove that from lsmod listing.03:51
thomerzanybody here who can help me with gdesklets?03:51
bipolarI'd like to make a suguestion to the packagers. Dump gpilot and switch to using multisync. :)03:51
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KamionMarcN: believe so (either that or update-grub)03:51
Kamionprobably grub-install03:51
maswandaniels: This time resume worked, the next line is PM: [something something] , after the cpufreq line. But you probably know that.03:52
MarcNKamion: I'll give it a try later.  (and will be back if it fscks up my laptop ;-)03:54
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KamionMarcN: heh03:54
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patrick1548how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser03:57
jacobIs there some kind of up2date notifyer in development, similar to FedoraCores up2date-applet ?03:57
lrnim looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 03:57
patrick1548how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser03:58
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danielsmaswan: yeah03:58
maswandaniels: down to 1 failure out of 5 resumes now. :)03:59
patrick1548how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser graphical greeter03:59
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lrnim looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 04:00
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SavuZiilhow can i install mp3 codec in ubuntu04:00
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mirak_-savuziil, enable the universe.....and install gstreamer0.8-mad04:01
SavuZiilenable the universe??04:02
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lrnim looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 04:03
iminjHi: I need some post-installation help with my soundcard ... sb awe64.  It wasn't recognized by unbuntu04:04
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jaldharDoes Canonicals free CD offer apply to anywhere in the world?04:05
cparkI believe it does, not 100% sure though.04:06
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iminjI did modprobe snd-sbawe, and now I have sound, HOW do I get this into /etc/modules so it will stay permanent04:07
Treenaksiminj: sudo nano /etc/modules04:07
lrnim looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 04:07
Treenakslrn: what's FXP04:08
jaldharcpark: I know some Indian developers who want to do Debian related stuff but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive.  So I'm suggesting they use Ubuntu instead.04:08
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jaldharTreenaks: the betamax of file transfer04:08
lrntransfer files from one FTP to other FTP04:08
Treenakslrn: ah, l33t h4x0rw4r3z04:08
moyoteHas anyone gotten xmms to work out of the box?? 04:08
cparkjaldhar: Ahhh...cool. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure, but if they (or you) order CD's from ShipIt! I'm sure that if Canonical won't ship to India they will let you know.04:09
lrnTreenaks lol no04:09
lrnim not an hacker :P04:09
Treenakslrn: 04:09
lrnjust want to move some files from my ftp to another ftp of mine04:09
Treenakslrn: I didn't say hacker, I said h4x0r04:09
Treenakslrn: there's a difference there04:09
lrni don`t know it04:09
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iminjTreenaks: i did sudo nano /etc/modules ... but my snd-sbawe not on the list of modules04:10
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Treenaksiminj: add it!04:11
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vstansvikHi, where would I turn if I'm interested in helping translating ubuntu to swedish?04:11
iminjTreenaks: which part of the file is editblr? sorry, I'm 99% noob04:12
jaldharvstansvik: actual packages or other Ubuntu materials?04:13
Treenaksiminj: just add it at the end04:13
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iminjseems only the top [part of the file can be written on .. the list of modules can't be edited?04:14
vstansvikjaldhar: how is the changes ubuntu has made to gnome stored? is there a CVS/arch repository with patches or what?04:14
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Kamionvstansvik: there will be eventually (and likewise, a good translation infrastructure will be up eventually, we have people working on it)04:15
Kamionvstansvik: for the moment, we're just doing it by steam, by uploading Debian source packages04:16
jaldharKamion: would you know off hand if Canonical will ship CDs to India?04:16
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danielsjaldhar: it might take a while, but they will get there04:17
vstansvikKamion: okay. that sounds great.04:18
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MyKq3when i m trying to run a program with hebrew support i resive this error from the sys  Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.      Using the fallback 'C' locale.** Message: found NET_WM. now i have fixed my loacls and i don't find any ralevent info on google .... any idea ?04:19
jaldhardaniels: thanks.  There are some Indian developers interested in Debian but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive for them.  So I thought Ubuntu would be a good fit for them04:19
danielsjaldhar: awesome04:20
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jeldhello all04:21
Treenaksjaldhar: doesn't ubuntu involve as much apt-getting as debian stable?04:21
iminjNeed help editing /etc/modules. Did sudo nano /etc/modules, entered the missing module (my sound card). Now, HOW do I save this change ?04:22
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Treenaksiminj: it has been saved04:23