[12:00] <djpig> Kamion: you could probably add something about who's behind the project
[12:02] <yelo> greetings...
[12:03] <stvn> djpig: not sure if Kamion is still alive, might be better to /msg him this remarks
[12:03] <yelo> will ubuntu work on a K5
[12:03] <yelo> or, is it one of those i686-optimizied distros?
[12:03] <adnans__> grr
[12:03] <stvn> yelo: it works on a k6
[12:03] <yelo> actually, it's a pmmx
[12:03] <ijuz> yelo: it should work
[12:04] <stvn> yelo: how fast?
[12:04] <yelo> stvn:before the K6 came the K5...amd's counterpart to the pentium - I forgot which proc it was, since I just swapped it out
[12:04] <yelo> pmmx233mhz now
[12:04] <djpig> stvn: yeah, might make sense :)
[12:04] <stvn> yelo: should work, but it's quite slow to run gnome on it though
[12:04] <MCAlexP> Hey guys.  I just installed ubuntu on a G4 PPC.  Everything went fine upon installing.  But now the X-server won't start.  Any thoughts?
[12:05] <yelo> stvn: it's got 128mb of ram, so it's actually pretty sprighty for it's age...
[12:05] <talon906> will ubuntu install on a via eden board?
[12:05] <yelo> ran gnome 2.4 just fine w/slackware
[12:05] <stvn> MCAlexP: what videocard?
[12:05] <MCAlexP> it's an ATI Rage 128 MB
[12:06] <stvn> yelo: might work
[12:07] <stvn> yelo: the slowest computer I run debiangnoem or ubuntu on was a 400MHz and it works fast, so 233MHz might work
[12:07] <stvn> MCAlexP: check your X logs, but I don't have many ideas, rage cards should work IIRC
[12:08] <yelo> MCAlexP:X log is at /var/log/XFree86.0.log...just in case you were  wondering
[12:09] <MCAlexP> Let me ask you something: if the mouse is not recognized for whatever reason, would that alone justify the X-sever not starting?
[12:09] <yelo> yup
[12:09] <yelo> actually, nope
[12:09] <stvn> in debian yes
[12:09] <stvn> MCAlexP: but you can force X to start without mouse
[12:09] <MCAlexP> currently I have one of these usb mice that plug into the keyboard.
[12:09] <MCAlexP> How do I do that?
[12:09] <yelo> MCAlexP: it's just detected as a usb mouse
[12:10] <yelo> if you have it(unsure if debian does by default), use /dev/mice for mouse device
[12:11] <sukoshi> hi
[12:11] <stvn> MCAlexP: good question, I know it is halt on no pointer, but I don't know where, sorry
[12:12] <MCAlexP> stvn: you mean, you don't know how to start X without mouse support?
[12:13] <stvn> MCAlexP: indeed, but google will give the answer, i saw it many times, just never stored the information in my brain
[12:13] <sukoshi> i've just installed ubuntu, and i need to know how to add sources to dselect
[12:13] <stvn> MCAlexP: it's a debian thing, so searching for debian related problems will give you the answer
[12:14] <stvn> sukoshi: forget dselect
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: You can use Synaptic to add a repository
[12:14] <yelo> MCAlexP: before you try anything else, check if you have a /dev/mice file, by doing "ls -lh /dev/mice", if you do, use that, and your mouse should work first time around
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: Or just add the line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <sukoshi> what are the repositories?
[12:14] <stvn> sukoshi: use synaptic or aptitude but *forget* dselect
[12:14] <jordi> sukoshi: have a look at synaptic
[12:14] <brettcar> sukoshi: Depends, what do you need to add?
[12:14] <sukoshi> thanks for the advice, i'm a gentoo user, with a little knowledge on debian
[12:15] <stvn> sukoshi: in synaptic there is one greyed out (universe) which will give you almost everything
[12:15] <sukoshi> brettcar : mplayer, vlc...
[12:15] <sukoshi> xmms
[12:15] <MCAlexP> thanks guys.  By the way, I did try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:15] <sukoshi> etc...
[12:15] <stvn> sukoshi: check the ubuntu wiki, for RestrictedFormats and add multiverse
[12:16] <stvn> MCAlexP: good luck
[12:16] <MCAlexP> thanks
[12:16] <witigonen> Question regarding dvd playback... I've got mplayer installed, which works great except that the size of the movie doesn't refresh with the size of the screen (fullscreen it's still only a kind of small picture), Xine which works but skips and drops frames at a horrible rate, and Totem, which doesn't work at all.  And my ATI drivers still aren't working.  
[12:16] <Pizbit> witigonen: Try with -noxv
[12:17] <stvn> sukoshi: most stuff is in universe, but mplayer, css and some other semi-legal stuff is in multiverse
[12:17] <swim> isthere anything other than rythym box that plays m3us ?
[12:17] <witigonen> Pizbit, try which if you don't mind me asking?
[12:17] <Pizbit> witigonen: For mplayer, if that doesn't work have a look at mplayer --vo help and then choose the video out
[12:17] <stvn> -vo
[12:18] <witigonen> Pizbit, mplayer/gmplayer doesn't know what -noxv does. I'll try -vo help.
[12:18] <Pizbit> -vo aa is fun:D:D
[12:18] <stvn> witigonen: use gmplayer and check if it uses Xv
[12:19] <stvn> Pizbit: :D
[12:19] <dablitz_> can i get some help mounting a usb stick
[12:19] <stvn> witigonen: mplayer -vo dga -framedrop <movie> will do the trick
[12:20] <stvn> witigonen: you just can't switch back to the desktop and you might run the risk that you have to watch the entire movie before you get controll of your computer
[12:20] <witigonen> stvn, couldn't initialize that, Pizbit, how can I chose the video out?
[12:20] <swim> ?
[12:20] <witigonen> I'm afraid this might be related to my not having proper working ATI drivers.
[12:20] <stvn> witigonen: initialise what?
[12:21] <witigonen> My available drivers for mplayer are: xv, x11, gl2, and xvidix
[12:22] <stvn> witigonen: hm my guess is that it is indeed due to lack of working ati drivers - not sure though
[12:22] <dablitz_> can i get some help mounting a usb stick, i have pictures on it i would like to get off of it
[12:23] <Bliksem> is there any way to find out the IP addresses of all current internet connections being used by applications?
[12:23] <skar> is there a deb for mplayer or xine?
[12:24] <meff> Bliksem: netstat, lsof, iptraf
[12:24] <Pizbit> witigonen: Try each of those ones:)
[12:25] <edd> mdz: cute idea on the win apps on the livecd. very nice.
[12:25] <stvn> skar: yes, check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <witigonen> Pizbit, X11 and gl2 are the only ones that work.  X11 is small and I think the display is weird, but I'm not positive.  gl2 is dropping frames like xine was (due to mesa, no doubt).
[12:26] <Pizbit> witigonen: And xv?
[12:26] <witigonen> Linux + AMD processor + nForce2 motherboard + ATI graphics card = no fun at all.
[12:26] <witigonen> Pizbit, couldn't initialize it.
[12:26] <Pizbit> Ah
[12:26] <mdz> edd: by "cute", I presume you mean "insidious" :-)
[12:26] <Pizbit> witigonen: It's mainly the ATI bit that's a pain
[12:26] <stvn> witigonen: tried to install totem-xine and watch the movie with that?
[12:26] <Pizbit> AMD + linux, no problems
[12:26] <edd> mdz: i meant smart and charming :)
[12:27] <stvn> witigonen: since on my amd-400 I can watch movies with that, so if you fail it must be the videocard driver
[12:27] <dablitz_> got to run in a bit, reall could use soe help, i have to pull these pic off this usb stick
[12:27] <dablitz_> how do i mount
[12:27] <mdz> edd: I hope it turns out that way, yes :-)
[12:27] <witigonen> stvn, already installed, doesn't play any dvd.  It just goes into the dvd drive as if it were a data cdrom.
[12:27] <stvn> witigonen: did you install the css lib?
[12:27] <edd> mdz: i liked it, so i sent it to all the o'reilly editors :)
[12:27] <mdz> edd: cool!
[12:27] <witigonen> stvn, yes.
[12:28] <Bohhh> hello
[12:28] <Bohhh> how is ubuntu different from debian? it's not clear from the homepage
[12:28] <mdz> edd: hopefully it should ensure that few of the pressed live CDs that go out become coasters
[12:28] <stvn> witigonen: hm, it did work on other distros?
[12:28] <wizze> is it advisable to use Ubuntu in a highly controlled environment such as High School class room.
[12:28] <Despair> Bohhh: more polished installer, aimed at desktop more than servers.
[12:28] <Bohhh> ok
[12:28] <stvn> Bohhh: it's an uptodate debian-stable every 6 month with a reduced set of apps and architectures
[12:28] <witigonen> stvn, yes.  It was a nightmare getting ATI to work on Fedora 2 (it just kind of amazingly worked all of a sudden after a reboot) but... 
[12:29] <Bohhh> i hope it's stable
[12:29] <stvn> Bohhh: as long as you like gnome, it kicks ass
[12:30] <Phr0stByte> If it makes anyone feel safer, Ubuntu is being used in the test labs of the US MInt (Department of Treasury) - I know because I am involved in the testing.
[12:31] <stvn> witigonen: dunno really, was planning to buy an ati radeon, but hearing all the moaning and bitching I'm considering a nvidia, have no experience with anything above the rage
[12:31] <ijuz> Phr0stByte: how many possible installations?
[12:31] <witigonen> stvn, I love my Radeon, and when it works it's amazing, but... yeah.  So freaking difficult.
[12:31] <Phr0stByte> ijuz: possibly 50 or so
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> ijuz: not all systems of course
[12:32] <yelo> can I safely use noatime on the root partition?
[12:33] <defence22> any devs here?
[12:37] <Phr0stByte> defence22: of Ubuntu, you mean?
[12:37] <defence22> yea
[12:37] <azeem> defence22: just pose your question, and people might be able to help you
[12:37] <defence22> in the install process the installer is unable to mount the cdrom
[12:37] <defence22> ive had this prob in other distro 
[12:37] <stvn> defence22: what kind of cd-drive?
[12:37] <defence22> but all it required was some kernel flag that i cant remember
[12:37] <defence22> its a older toshiba dvd
[12:37] <mair> I would like to get the modem working on my toshiba 2100CDT laptop.  It's a Lucent Microelectronics 56k WinModem that will work with the lt_modem drivers, I think.
[12:48] <Bliksem> hmm now to narrow down connections being used by a specific program?
[12:48] <dommi> how do I reset a password in my keyring
[12:50] <witigonen> So, to make sure that a module is loaded at boot or in a certain order, I just add it to /etc/modules, right?
[12:51] <stvn> normally yes
[12:53] <skar> hi, is ACPI suspend-to-ram(str) available in the latest kernel?
[12:54] <Kamion> stvn: s'ok, I read scrollback that mentions my name
[12:56] <Amroc> lamont, thank you for the dist
[12:56] <witigonen> brb
[12:56] <Amroc> disk
[12:56] <lamont> Amroc: cool.  Now see if it detects your wireless...
[12:56] <skar> stvn:thanks for the xine link, i got gxine up and running, btw is acpi str supported in linux?
[12:56] <Amroc> ok, one second
[12:56] <Amroc> i shall be back!
[12:57] <stvn> Kamion: ah ok, wasn't sure my scroll back stops at sometime ;)
[12:57] <stvn> skar: wouldn't know what acpi str is, so don't know
[12:58] <Kamion>   "fe-text" = { scrollback_hours = "72"; scrollback_lines = "1000"; };
[12:58] <Kamion> I usually check IRC at least once every three days or 1000 lines ... :-)
[12:59] <witigonen> I did it!  ATI drivers are working! WOO!
[12:59] <Pizbit> witigonen: You must be a god:)\
[12:59] <stvn> witigonen: how?
[12:59] <witigonen> With a beautiful 2957 fps with glxgears.
[12:59] <Pizbit> witigonen: I hate you:)
[01:00] <stvn> Kamion: heh, too much programing for me ;)
[01:00] <georgia> witigonen: x86 or ppc?
[01:00] <Pizbit> Kamion: Hrhr, I've set my scollback to 0, or infinite:)
[01:00] <Keknehv> Hi all
[01:00] <witigonen> It was simple, really... I was just being very stupid.  I had to load my nVidia_agp driver before the fglrx driver and edit the XF86Config-4 file.  But, I thought I had done that long ago... only it was loading something called nvidia-agp instead of nvidia_agp.  D'oh!
[01:01] <witigonen> georgia, x86.  AMD Athalon XP 3000+.
[01:01] <georgia> ah
[01:01] <witigonen> Let's see if Xine is any better.
[01:01] <stvn> witigonen: you needed to load nvidia drivers for an agp card??
[01:02] <Pizbit> stvn: nforce
[01:02] <witigonen> stvn, my motherboard has nVidia's nForce2 stuf.f
[01:02] <stvn> check
[01:02] <witigonen> Hm, Xine is still dropping lots and lots of frames... let's try gmplayer.
[01:02] <Pizbit> stvn: There is an nvagp module for some systems for their cards too, but they suggest agpgart or whatever it is though:)
[01:03] <witigonen> It looks like mplayer is playing it properly using direct rendering.
[01:03] <skar> stvn:is there any desktop calendar app, which lists the tasks done(or to be done) per day, while also showing the overall progress(like no.of tasks completed out of total tasks for that project) of a big project comprised of a no.of tasks?
[01:04] <stvn> skar: like evolution?
[01:04] <cardador> skar: evolution does that
[01:04] <cardador> skar: evolution is integrated with the panel calendar
[01:04] <sass> hlo! I have a problem installing Ubuntu from the most recent ISO. I have a HP cd writer and the installer asks for a driver after choosing my language and country...
[01:05] <Niterider> hello
[01:05] <skar> stvn:cardador:gr8, i've been looking for that for a long time, of course the first place i looked at was evolution-1.4, back then i guess it didn't had that feature :(
[01:05] <stvn> skar: evo 2 does have it
[01:06] <Niterider> quick question, i just added this multiverse to my apt sources list, what on it that i might need
[01:06] <skar> stvn:gr8, but do i need to install planner, or is it installed along with evo 2 itself?
[01:06] <stvn> Niterider: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <jasedit|laptop> So can anyone tell me how to tell if psmouse is compiled as part of the kernel or as a module?
[01:06] <Pizbit> This is the thing I want most from gnome2.8 http://gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/figures/figure-clock+calendar.png 
[01:07] <stvn> skar: planner is for other stuff, work hours registration, project planning
[01:07] <sass> normally I'd just download the damn driver and go on, but it seems funny that the installer and 2.6.8 kernel boot normally from the cd and then says that it needs a driver for the cd-rom
[01:07] <jasedit|laptop> Or at least how Ubuntu has it set up, since I'm running stock Ubuntu right now?
[01:08] <skar> stvn:btw, i started installing ubuntu at 2 PM (IST) and i'm finished at 4:30AM (IST) approx just 14 hours to install, customize, migrate everything from good ol' gentoo, where compiling kde 3.3 itself took some 2 days :))
[01:08] <Sanne> jasedit|laptop: I always look into /boot/config-<kernelversion>, at least on Debian (don't know if it's there in Ubuntu)
[01:08] <skar> stvn:ok, planner with evo 2 should be perfect
[01:08] <cardador> what iso should it be downloaded for an amd athlon?
[01:09] <Kamion> cardador: what kind of athlon?
[01:09] <cardador> amd athlon xp 2600 barthon
[01:10] <Kamion> cardador: i386
[01:10] <cardador> how come? isnt it amd?
[01:10] <sass> the amd version is for the new 64-bit processors
[01:10] <Kamion> amd*64*, not just amd
[01:10] <Kamion> unless you have an AMD Athlon 64, you want i386
[01:11] <skar> stvn:ok, its getting late, hitting the sack, good nite to ya all :)
[01:11] <cardador> Kamion: thank you, im helping a friend setting up ubuntu :)
[01:11] <stvn> night sk
[01:11] <stvn> gone
[01:11] <cardador> Kamion: will try 386 then
[01:11] <Niterider> thanks...found out what i needed to know
[01:14] <sass> so nobody knows what's the deal with scsi emulated cd-roms and the installer?
[01:15] <sass> ok, I'll just swap drives then.. problem solved kind-of
[01:17] <mair> I'm getting weird cancellation errors when sending files in Gaim under a Jabber.org account.  Whether they click "accept" or "cancel" I get the message "other user cancelled the transfer".
[01:18] <doleyb> I just tried to install ubuntu.  Couldn't get by the grub part.
[01:18] <doleyb> That's a horrible GUI, just a textfield with very little guidenace.
[01:18] <Kamion> it's not even supposed to appear
[01:18] <Kamion> were you using expert mode or something?
[01:18] <doleyb> I guess that meant there was already something very wrong.
[01:19] <doleyb> No, I just pushed enter through most of the prompts.
[01:19] <Kamion> can you confirm that you got the "Device for boot loader installation:" prompt?
[01:19] <Kamion>  The device can be specified using GRUB's "(hdn)" notation, or as a device
[01:19] <Kamion>  in /dev. For example, "(hd0)" will install GRUB to the master boot record
[01:19] <Kamion>  of your first hard drive, while "/dev/hda2" will install it to the second
[01:19] <Kamion>  partition of your first IDE drive.
[01:20] <doleyb> I tried several things: /dev/hda2, then /dev/scsi/lun0/disc0/part2...
[01:20] <doleyb> then /dev/sda2, /dev/sda, and finally hd0.
[01:20] <doleyb> My disk is sata.
[01:20] <Kamion> did you get any grub questions before that?
[01:21] <doleyb> After it copied the packages, it asked me where to install grub.  Only one question. Each time I put something in, it failed.
[01:21] <Kamion> doleyb: anything interesting on tty4 (alt-f4)?
[01:22] <doleyb> Sorry, didn't look there, and am rebooted now.
[01:22] <doleyb>  Is there a way I can try again, wtihout waiting for it to copy all packages again? (they should still be there from last time?)
[01:23] <Kamion> afraid not
[01:24] <Kamion> you can boot with archive-copier/copy=false to save some time
[01:24] <Kamion> (but you'll need to reinsert the CD in the second stage, then)
[01:24] <doleyb> Too complex for me.
[01:25] <doleyb> As a side note, the installer was also unable to work with my ethernet card.
[01:25] <doleyb> Debian can't use it either, but knoppix and fedora can.  And debian can after I recompile the kernel.
[01:25] <doleyb> That problem is what stopped me from installing debian-amd64 earlier, because it needs network to get packages.
[01:26] <Kamion> doleyb: what Ethernet card?
[01:27] <doleyb> An ne2k-pci.  It identifies fine, and ifconfig shows it, but it never really sends data.
[01:27] <meff> has anyone got bind9 to work? no matter what i try i get rndc errors..
[01:27] <Kamion> what do you do when recompiling the kernel that helps?
[01:27] <doleyb> Sarge prints an error message whenever you try to send data, woody and ubuntu it fails silently.
[01:28] <stvn> meff: bind9 as in the dns server?
[01:28] <doleyb> I don't know exactly.  I compile directly, instead of as module, but it doesn't make sense that would help.
[01:28] <meff> stvn: yup
[01:28] <stvn> meff: ah ok, nope debian still serving dns
[01:28] <meff> :/
[01:28] <Kamion> bizarre, ne2k-pci is normally rock-solid reliable
[01:29] <doleyb> Yes, I complained to debian guys a year ago when i first noticed this, but they couldn't figure it out
[01:29] <stvn> doleyb: modprobing it doesn't help?
[01:29] <doleyb> I have 5 separate ne2kpci cards, and 2 separate motherboards, and I've cycled thru all 10 combos, and they fail the same way.
[01:29] <meff> Oct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from 127.0.0.1#34611: bad auth
[01:29] <meff> rndc-confgen doesnt help
[01:29] <Kamion> stvn: if ifconfig shows it it's going to be already loaded, hmm?
[01:30] <doleyb> The module installs successful, and ifconfig eth0 looks fine, but it simply doesn't work for sending packets.
[01:30] <stvn> Kamion: oh, hm, missed that bit ;)
[01:30] <doleyb> On sarge I get an error message continuosly: "ETH0 NETDEV WATCHDOG TIMED OUT"
[01:31] <doleyb> Yep.  I will be back in 60 minutes with the result of trying ubuntu-amd64 installery again.
[01:31] <doleyb> Is ther anything else I should write down from watching it?
[01:31] <doleyb> (besides altf4)
[01:31] <Kamion> for the grub thing, if you could copy /var/log/syslog somewhere that'd help
[01:32] <Kamion> that's what's displayed on alt-f4
[01:32] <doleyb> ok, cul8r
[01:32] <Kamion> (you could mount a floppy, mount a hard disk, nc, whatever works ...)
[01:32] <Kamion> I won't be around in 60 minutes, back tomorrow
[01:33] <witigonen> Whoah... xine's sound is acting really, really weird.
[01:33] <witigonen> It's kind of staticy.  Anybody have any idea?  mplayer does it fine, but very quietly (and in general I just prefer xine), totem won't play any DVDs.
[01:33] <stvn> meff: no interesting log entries?
[01:34] <meff> Oct 21 16:27:55 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from 127.0.0.1#34611: bad auth
[01:34] <meff> ^^ stvn
[01:34] <stvn> witigonen: totem wont? thats totem-xine?
[01:35] <stvn> meff: ubuntu has all ports closed, dunno where , when or how, but it might be something to do with that?
[01:35] <witigonen> stvn, the default totem, Totem MOvie Player.  totem-xine is installed, though.
[01:35] <meff> stvn: i was considering that..
[01:35] <meff> i cant find any information on it though
[01:35] <stvn> witigonen: there's a difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer, dunno wich one totem is
[01:36] <witigonen> Alright, how can I run totem-xine?
[01:36] <stvn> meff: I'm no ubuntu dev, so I dunno, talk to the devs
[01:36] <LinuxJones> meff, >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html#toc1
[01:37] <stvn> witigonen: if you install totem-xine, totem-gstreamer is removed, so totem should invoke totem-xine
[01:37] <meff> LinuxJones: i know hwo to setup bind.. i did this the same way on debian and it worked.. i dont know whats up w/ ubuntu
[01:37] <witigonen> stvn, okay.  How can I get it to play a DVD?  I go to play disk, it mounts it as a cdrom and starts browing it a la a data cd.
[01:38] <LinuxJones> meff, sorry thought it was like your 1st time :)
[01:38] <punkass> if something has been complied... and the original folder still exists, is there a way that i can few the prefixes that were used in ./configure
[01:39] <mirak_> aer they doing something to the repositories???
[01:39] <stvn> witigonen: there's a play disc entry in totem>>movie
[01:39] <mirak_> i havent changed anything.....i just did apt-get update...and it spit out some errors
[01:39] <meff> i guess i just pray that someone responds to my post on ubuntu-users :o
[01:39] <witigonen> stvn, that's what I choose.  And it just start browsing the CD>
[01:39] <LinuxJones> meff, maybe you could remove --purge the Ubuntu version and install it from the Debian repo.
[01:39] <stvn> ? hm
[01:40] <stvn> witigonen: dunno then, no dvd here to check, sorry
[01:40] <Telep> I've had the same problem as witigonen - no solution though to offer
[01:40] <smo> witigonen: The answer I got last night was to run "totem dvd:/" .. which appears to work
[01:40] <mdz> LinuxJones: ubuntu's bind9 is identical to debian's
[01:40] <Telep> oh right
[01:40] <smo> I'm still not sure how easiest to reach it from the gui however
[01:41] <witigonen> smo, so it does.
[01:41] <LinuxJones> mdz, he is having problems with it under Ubuntu but not Debian for some reason.
[01:41] <stvn> looks like a ubuntu problem
[01:41] <stvn> haven't heared complaind on debian sarge's totem and dvds
[01:42] <mirak_> i get this error from synaptic "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" can anyone help?
[01:42] <smo> stvn: I believe the "Play Disc" item is very new upstream, replacing the previous "Play VCD", "Play DVD", etc.  I doubt it's reached debian yet, as I believe they're freezing on gnome 2.6
[01:43] <meff> LinuxJones, mdz: http://rm-r.net/~meff/bindnowork.jpg
[01:43] <stvn> smo: could very well be, never noticed the play disc before
[01:43] <meff> sorry about jpg'ing it heh
[01:43] <mdz> meff: I believe you, but it works fine for me
[01:43] <stvn> any devs around?
[01:43] <mdz> are you sure you deleted everything in /etc/bind?
[01:44] <meff> mdz: yep moved it aside
[01:44] <mdz> mirak_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469
[01:44] <mdz> Setting up bind9 (9.2.4-1) ...
[01:44] <mdz> Adding group bind (114)...
[01:44] <mdz> Done.
[01:44] <mdz> Adding system user bind...
[01:44] <mdz> Adding new user bind (107) with group bind.
[01:44] <mdz> Not creating home directory.
[01:44] <mdz> Starting domain name service: named.
[01:44] <mirak_> mdz, thnx
[01:44] <mdz> mizar:[/tmp]  
[01:44] <mdz> meff: fine here
[01:45] <meff> try restarting it
[01:45] <meff> thats where i get the error
[01:46] <meff> Oct 21 18:45:41 localhost named[8742] : invalid command from 127.0.0.1#41551: bad auth
[01:46] <mdz> mizar:[~]  sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
[01:46] <mdz> Stopping domain name service: named.
[01:46] <mdz> Starting domain name service: named.
[01:46] <mdz> meff: no problems whatsoever
[01:46] <mdz> meff: has anyone other than you been able to reproduce it?
[01:46] <meff> now im really stumped.
[01:46] <meff> not that i know of
[01:47] <mdz> meff: what that error means is that the key file read by rndc was not the same as the key read by named
[01:47] <meff> i tried rndc-confgen -a
[01:47] <meff> and just manually copypasting
[01:48] <nitin> guys im having a hell of a time getting ubuntu to reconize my 9700 pro
[01:48] <nitin> it tells me im using a 9500 generic
[01:48] <nitin> how do i fix it
[01:48] <nitin> plzzzzzzz
[01:49] <treyh0> wtf is a 9700 pro
[01:49] <gotd0t> graphics card
[01:49] <nitin> lol..
[01:49] <gotd0t> ATI
[01:49] <nitin> ati 9700 pro
[01:49] <treyh0> heh
[01:50] <nitin> man this sucks 
[01:50] <nitin> cant believe this cant be fixed
[01:50] <treyh0> use xf86cfg
[01:50] <nitin> piece of shit..
[01:50] <nitin> i did
[01:50] <gotd0t> whats going on?
[01:50] <nitin> its not that
[01:50] <meff> mdz other than rndc.key is any rndc info located anywhere else? using grep -r on /etc its the only file i see a rndc declaration
[01:50] <treyh0> or edit the file manually?
[01:50] <nitin> its wayy more problems
[01:50] <treyh0> XF86Config
[01:50] <nitin> dude treyh0 is it n o t a config issue
[01:50] <treyh0> ok
[01:50] <treyh0> hal/dbus?
[01:51] <nitin> driver issue
[01:51] <nitin> ati has shit drivers
[01:51] <gotd0t> can anybody help me? I'm using a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through a single USB port and I get mouse lag and sometimes skipping
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, did u restart ubuntu after u plugged it in?
[01:51] <treyh0> gotd0t: i got that too when i used a wireless setup, but i just took it back to the store
[01:51] <gotd0t> nitin: oh I've been using it all along
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, it sometimes gets way better after u restart
[01:51] <nitin> gotd0t, k
[01:52] <treyh0> like typing through dialup
[01:52] <xskoulax> lol @ treyh0
[01:52] <nikanj> Hello. Does anyone know why Ubuntu fails to install on amd64?
[01:52] <gotd0t> nitin: yea... someone told me its a protocol error... but other than ImPS/2 and auto in the XF86Config it doesnt work
[01:52] <nikanj> "Unable to install the selected kernel" and I never got to select the kernel ;)
[01:53] <gotd0t> did you download the one for amd's?
[01:53] <xskoulax> nikanj, you downloaded the right iso right?
[01:53] <treyh0> heh
[01:53] <nikanj> xskoulax: Yes, and the cd is ok (did the media-check on the custom-expert menu)
[01:54] <xskoulax> nikanj: i'm at a loss then, i'm running x86 boxen here
[01:55] <mdz> meff: rndc.key should be it
[01:55] <gotd0t> So does anybody know how I can fix the skipping and lag
[01:55] <nikanj> "Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Read error - read (5 Inuput/output error)
[01:56] <gotd0t> It's def a software issues as I've used this same set in windows without any problems
[01:56] <nikanj> Can't believe a bug this critical got into the release
[01:56] <nikanj> gotd0t: Or you have broken hardware but the windows driver works around it
[01:56] <gotd0t> nikanj: that seems quite farfetched
[01:57] <xskoulax> nikanj: i don't think its a bug, other people on this chan are using amd64 installs
[01:57] <gotd0t> Do you think it would make a difference if I switched em both to PS/2
[01:57] <gotd0t> (Of course that would require me to find a USB-PS/2 adapter
[01:58] <xskoulax> nikanj: i would guess its something specific to your setup
[01:58] <nikanj> gotd0t: It's actually pretty common, for example my laptop has so buggy bios that I must disable acpi completely to install linux
[01:58] <gotd0t> my kid sister as an obession with green things... and it just so happens that my PS/2 adapter was green
[01:59] <gotd0t> so im assuming thats where mine went
[01:59] <nikanj> xskoulax: Hm, I wonder what it could be. The media is fine and the installer gets all the other files ok
[01:59] <jgeorgeson> anyone using k3b?
[01:59] <xskoulax> nikanj: i wish i could remember the nicks of the people who were talking about amd64 installs yesterday so i could get their attention
[02:00] <xskoulax> they would be in a better position to help, than a n00b running with a x86 boxen ;)
[02:00] <stvn> night
[02:00] <adrianm> jgeorgeson: a little, but not on ubuntu (yet).  What's up?
[02:00] <xskoulax> gnight stvn
[02:01] <jgeorgeson> adrianm: it doesn't see my burner when running with root privs. I've run k3bsetup as root to specify a group which I am a member of, no success
[02:03] <adrianm> jgeorgeson: does anything else see your burner?  During bootup, do you see any messages about it?
[02:03] <nikanj> cdrecord --scanbus?
[02:04] <jgeorgeson> adrianm: the nautilus burn:// interface lists it in the Write CD dialog
[02:05] <gotd0t> so nobody has any clue about my mouse lag?
[02:05] <FourdSwissCheese> Hi all.  Linux newbie here.  Having trouble installing.  I get through the first stage of the install fine, but when I reboot, it gets stuck on "setting the system clock using Hardware clock as reference".  Suggestions?
[02:06] <gotd0t> maybe you don't have a hardware clock
[02:06] <gotd0t> haha
[02:07] <gotd0t> ;-)
[02:07] <Dekkard> cmos battery?
[02:07] <jgeorgeson> nikanj: "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." is the only thing that gets my attention
[02:07] <gotd0t> thats what i was thinkin
[02:07] <gotd0t> the battery might be dead
[02:07] <FourdSwissCheese> Dekkard: clock works fine in windows
[02:07] <FourdSwissCheese> and knoppix
[02:07] <Dekkard> sorry..just an idea
[02:07] <gotd0t> well windows already has a clock
[02:08] <gotd0t> i mean
[02:08] <Ramsed> Hi, is there some place (mailing-list,webpage) where the default choice of packages was (or still is) discussed ? (why both thunderbird and evolution, xmms instead of rhythmbox etc.) ?
[02:08] <gotd0t> its already configured...
[02:08] <gotd0t> and fourd, windows periodically updates the clock from some internet site
[02:08] <FourdSwissCheese> ahh, ok.  didn't know that
[02:09] <Despair> I found it kind of odd that ubuntu installs twisted framework by default
[02:09] <gotd0t> yea... so i would just try replacing the battery
[02:09] <Telep> hmm, running a dvd with totem-xine makes the cpu scream... is there some way to enable hardware acceleration or something?
[02:10] <Telep> I also don't seem to be getting any sound :/
[02:10] <xskoulax> FourdSwissCheese: try booting your knoppix cd, i would imagine you would have similar problems there if it is indeed your cmos battery
[02:10] <Telep> for dvd's, that is
[02:10] <FourdSwissCheese> xskoulax"  knoppix works fine.  clock is accurate
[02:11] <gotd0t> hmm
[02:11] <jgeorgeson> Telep: check the sound levels with the Volume Control
[02:11] <gotd0t> thats odd then
[02:11] <xskoulax> when did you boot knoppix last?
[02:11] <FourdSwissCheese> today
[02:11] <Telep> jgeorgeson: which one of those effects xine? sound works fine otherwise
[02:11] <xskoulax> unless your battery died between boots, i imagine the battery is fine then
[02:12] <witigonen> So strange!I keep getting the erorr in xine that my system is too slow and it's throwing out too many frames.  The dvd is jumping.
[02:12] <FourdSwissCheese> well, I'll try knoppix again...
[02:13] <gotd0t> BTW, how do you set up time synch in ubuntu
[02:13] <Telep> witigonen: have you tried mplayer? Do dvd's run fine with that?
[02:13] <jgeorgeson> Telep: I would guess CD
[02:13] <Keknehv> Hi, I'm having trouble with Warty i386 RC compiled on 10/12/04
[02:14] <Keknehv> When I attempt to boot, it gets to a black screen eventually
[02:14] <witigonen> Telep, they do, but the volume is too quiet for my tastes.
[02:14] <Telep> witigonen: ok
[02:14] <witigonen> Telep, Totem has a strange line that keeps flickering on the bottom, that's why I'm not using it and using xine.
[02:15] <Keknehv> During install, it said it couldn't load something along the lines of an Intel Graphics Bridge
[02:15] <Keknehv> How can I fix this?
[02:15] <Keknehv> (I'm currently running a live cd of ubuntu)
[02:16] <jgeorgeson> witigonen: if you install totem-xine it will use the xine backend with the totem UI
[02:16] <Keknehv> Hello?
[02:16] <witigonen> Telep, actually, now that I'm looking at it, totem is skipping the same amount- which would explain what jgeorgeson just said, I guess :)
[02:16] <jgeorgeson> Keknehv: sounds like it couldn't find a driver for some of you motherboard chipsets
[02:17] <jgeorgeson> witigonen: totem-xine isn't installed by default, and i think you might have to enable universe, at least, to get it
[02:17] <Keknehv> I'm running a PCI nvidia card...
[02:17] <witigonen> jgeorgeson, not only have I enabled universe, but I also installed totem-xine :)
[02:17] <Keknehv> should I just wait to get the release from a friend?
[02:18] <jgeorgeson> Keknehv: the Intel Graphics Bridge is a chip on your motherboard. do you know what chipset your motherboard uses?
[02:19] <Keknehv> I think it's i810
[02:19] <jgeorgeson> do you have a dell laptop?
[02:19] <Keknehv> It's an old hp pavilion XE783 (~700mhz, 80gig hard drive)
[02:19] <Keknehv> No...
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> you said you're currently running off the live d?
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> cd?
[02:20] <Keknehv> Yes
[02:20] <Keknehv> And this one works
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> and you have full resolution capabilities?
[02:20] <Keknehv> But this is a final release, I installed it off a release candidate
[02:20] <Keknehv> Yes
[02:20] <jgeorgeson> try installing the final then
[02:20] <Keknehv> OpenGl works, although not as fast as when the right driver is loaded.
[02:21] <Keknehv> Ok
[02:21] <Keknehv> I guess I'll just have to wait for that cd... anyways, thanks!
[02:21] <jgeorgeson> my laptop has an i830, so i know that it is supported. but i installed with an RC a while back
[02:22] <Keknehv> What the heck?
[02:22] <jgeorgeson> woah, i'm guessing zelazny just went down
[02:22] <Keknehv> That was... a couple people...
[02:22] <Keknehv> zelazny?
[02:22] <jgeorgeson> anyone more suggestions for k3b not seeing the cdrw?
[02:24] <Keknehv> lol
[02:24] <gotd0t> anybody have any ideas about my mouse skipping
[02:24] <Keknehv> check the mouseball
[02:24] <Keknehv> Mine had a weird rubber circle on it, and it skipped...
[02:24] <gotd0t> im appalled
[02:25] <gotd0t> MOUSEBALL?!?!
[02:25] <gotd0t> heh
[02:26] <gotd0t> sorry... i haven't used a mouse with a ball in it in a LONG time
[02:26] <RageMax> can someone point me to where I can get a xine package?
[02:27] <clochejm> does anyone know if there are any issues with DNS resolution in Ubuntu?
[02:27] <gotd0t> someone was talking about xine a few minutes ago
[02:27] <flash^> gotd0t, what do you need?
[02:27] <Keknehv> I would use an optical but hey, this is what I have.
[02:28] <ctalkep> hi to all
[02:28] <gotd0t> flash^: well I have a wireless mouse/keyboard combo through one USB port, and the mouse teds to lag and skip
[02:28] <RageMax> the xine libraries are in the repository, but not xine itself
[02:28] <tseng> "xine itself" ?
[02:28] <flash^> gotd0t, you got logitech stuff? MX Series?
[02:28] <ctalkep> i have a stupid question to ask
[02:28] <tseng> xine is a library.
[02:28] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: you mean xineui?
[02:28] <flash^> ctalkep, ask
[02:28] <clochejm> anyone with internet problems?
[02:28] <ctalkep> now
[02:29] <gotd0t> flash^: no... microsoft elite or something like that
[02:29] <ctalkep> i just installed ubuntu and i am seriously impressed
[02:29] <flash^> clochejm, they are easy to solve.. what connection do you have?
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, I have a cable connection
[02:29] <ctalkep> and of course i am a total newbie
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, through Road Runner
[02:29] <flash^> gotd0t, does the mouse work fine on windows?
[02:29] <clochejm> flash^, business class
[02:29] <ctalkep> newbie to debian style it is
[02:29] <ctalkep> so
[02:29] <flash^> flash^, is it dialup, with username&password or dhcp or what?
[02:29] <flash^> -_-
[02:30] <gotd0t> flash^, yea... i used to use the logitecs but i went through two sets and they both broke on me
[02:30] <Keknehv> d-d-id you say... MICROSCOTCH?
[02:30] <Keknehv> lol
[02:30] <ctalkep> how do i find what packages i can install through apt-get?
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, is it when you boot your pc the connection starts?
[02:30] <RageMax> actually totem-xine would be ideal, but I can't find it
[02:30] <flash^> ctalkep, apt-cache search "nameofthepackageyouneed"
[02:30] <clochejm> flash^, it's DHCP... on a cable modem
[02:30] <clochejm> it's always on
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, ok
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, it's easy
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, I have the same
[02:30] <clochejm> flash^, nice
[02:30] <flash^> clochejm, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list, or in synaptic if you prefer GUI
[02:31] <ctalkep> i meant like if i did not know what packages there are to be installed
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: use synaptic
[02:31] <ctalkep> like a way to see what i can get
[02:31] <gotd0t> flash^, my mouse works fine in windows... no lag or anything
[02:31] <clochejm> flash^, done
[02:31] <flash^> clochejm, add these two lines: "auto eth0 " then press enter and add "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[02:31] <ctalkep> is it included in the distro or do i have to google for it?
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> gotd0t: have you adjusted the speed/sensitivity in Desktop Preferences?
[02:31] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: should be
[02:31] <flash^> clochejm, just like the auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, then save and exit & reboot
[02:32] <jgeorgeson> Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, it's already like that
[02:32] <gotd0t> jgeorg, nah... its not that... because it randomly jumps to the top or bottom fo the screens
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, so, what's the problem.. ?
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, I guess it is your network card
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, I think it has to be DNS problems
[02:32] <RageMax> jgeorgeson: thanks
[02:32] <flash^> clochejm, no dns problems on dhcp
[02:32] <gotd0t> clochejm: or your modem...
[02:32] <clochejm> flash^, once a download gets going...it's 400K
[02:33] <jgeorgeson> RageMax: np
[02:33] <flash^> clochejm, so the connection actually DOES work ?
[02:33] <clochejm> flash^, but it takes a long time for it to find a site
[02:33] <flash^> flash^, oh, ok.. that's a problem of the provider
[02:33] <gotd0t> clochejm: is it a particular site... or every site?
[02:33] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[02:33] <clochejm> flash^, yes...I'm on it right now... but it takes a literal 2 minutes from when I hit enter
[02:33] <flash^> flash^, you get the same dns on windows or linux
[02:33] <flash^> oh man
[02:34] <flash^> clochejm, just look if you are maybe updating something
[02:34] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I already have it open... it has the same dns entries as windows does (windows works fine)
[02:34] <flash^> clochejm, or some daemon interacting with the outside..
[02:34] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it's very strange behavior
[02:35] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: so if you run 'host www.yahoo.dns' does it take longer to get a result than 'nslookup www.yahoo.com' in windows?
[02:35] <clochejm> I'll try running the host command...I'd have to restart to get to windows...
[02:35] <xyz359> Urm, does anyone here use Totem-Xine?
[02:35] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: yes
[02:35] <flash`> xyz359, I use both
[02:36] <xyz359> I get this irritating blue blinking effect on the bottom of the video window whenever I make it too large.
[02:36] <ctalkep> 10x a lot guys
[02:36] <ctalkep> it works
[02:36] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: np
[02:36] <flash\\study> jgeorgeson, are you on the ubuntu devel team ?
[02:36] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it actually returns the address pretty quickly
[02:36] <xyz359> At least, with ffmpeg.
[02:36] <jgeorgeson> flash\\study: nope
[02:37] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, a site takes 20 times to start loading than it took to return the ips
[02:37] <ctalkep> may i ask another one?
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: so dns seems to be working fine. what browser are you using?
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> ctalkep: of course
[02:37] <flash\\study> ctalkep, yep
[02:37] <clochejm> firefox
[02:37] <ctalkep> i have two ntfs partitions
[02:37] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: hm ...
[02:37] <ctalkep> on SATA drives
[02:37] <ctalkep> how do i get to mount them on boot time?
[02:37] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I"m trying in mozilla... same result
[02:38] <gotd0t> ctalkep you have to edit /etc/fstab
[02:38] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I hit enter on www.google.com 20 seconds ago and it's still staying "resolving..."
[02:38] <xyz359> jgeorgeson, do you get anything like that with videos?
[02:38] <sgtchubby> hey
[02:38] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, is there another layer?
[02:38] <taviguy> can anyone help me getting my radeon mobility 9600 working under ubuntu
[02:39] <malaptop> question - i may be having to rip out a hard drive with ubuntu installed and shift it over to another intel box. is there anything i can do to have ubuntu configure itself for the new hardware, other than reinstall?
[02:39] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: i have seen it from time to time with various files and various players
[02:39] <meff> hiya, well.. i got bind running by rebooting, though now gnome won't start.. sigh.
[02:39] <xyz359> jgeorgeson, is there anyway to resolve it?
[02:40] <bern`> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to run X, I get a fatal signal error caught signal 11
[02:40] <calc> malaptop: afaik it should detect everything except maybe the x config, which can be done via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:40] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: not that i'm a aware of. do you have a proxy configured in firefox? do you only get this lag in firefox?
[02:40] <calc> bern`: which arch?
[02:40] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, it's the same in mozilla
[02:40] <jgeorgeson> xyz359: never tried, i just resize to get rid of it or ignore it. it never looks more than a pixel tall
[02:40] <bern`> calc: amd64
[02:41] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: well, they both use the gecko engine, so that might not be a good comparison
[02:41] <calc> bern`: the loader is broken, use xserver-xfree86-dbg
[02:41] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, that's what I was thinking...
[02:41] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: what about lynx/elinks/links, ftp, etc
[02:41] <calc> bern`: will likely be fixed in hoary, since it should be using xorg by then
[02:41] <meff> i just recently install bind.. my computer is no longer 'localhost' but now 'ghreen' because of my bind9 tables, but now it seems gnome won't start, and im wondering if installing bind caused this.. is there any way i can diagnose this?
[02:41] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, I'll give links a try quiclk
[02:41] <bern`> calc: how do I go about using dbg instead of the norm
[02:41] <calc> bern`: apt-get install xserver-xfree86-dbg
[02:42] <sgtchubby> Can someone help me with a minor problem? I can mount my windows-partition (XP, FAT32) but Nautilus doesn't reckognize the files, and the filesystem(?) seems locked
[02:42] <bern`> calc: just tried that and it didn't work
[02:42] <calc> bern`: have to be root or sudo to install it
[02:42] <meff> I get a little window that says "gnome lasted less than 10 seconds" ... the log doesnt have anything except a warning in it..
[02:42] <bern`> calc: and do I need to remove a package first before I get it on
[02:42] <bern`> calc: yes I'm root already
[02:42] <calc> bern`: no need to remove anything
[02:43] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, well..the package manager takes a while to start as well
[02:43] <mystic> how the heck to I set up CUPS
[02:43] <calc> bern`: it couldn't find the package or what?
[02:43] <mystic> i go to localhost:631 and it asks for the root password... too mad ubuntu is wierd about passwords and it doesn't work
[02:43] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, elinks took a while "looking up host"
[02:43] <bern`> calc: ok it's installing now
[02:44] <bern`> calc: ok that worked
[02:44] <calc> ok
[02:44] <LinuxJones> meff, I had the same problem. you have to remove the .ICEauthority file and re-create in root console then chown username:username .ICEauthority
[02:44] <mystic> how the heck do you print in ubuntu
[02:45] <bern`> calc: you're a godsent I've had people giving me the run around all day
[02:45] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, firefox is set to direct connection
[02:45] <mystic> retarded root system
[02:45] <LinuxJones> mystic, Computer >> system config >> printing
[02:45] <calc> bern`: ran into that same exact problem with ubuntu on my amd64 laptop :)
[02:45] <xskoulax> mystic: have you came here to complain or seek help?
[02:45] <brettcar> mystic: Are you having a problem with CUPS, or the graphical utility used to configure it?
[02:46] <mystic> ok
[02:46] <mystic> I am accustmed to going to localhost:631
[02:46] <mystic> however
[02:46] <mystic> ubuntu rejects my root login
[02:46] <brettcar> mystic: You have a root login?
[02:46] <mystic> exactly
[02:46] <mystic> i don't
[02:46] <brettcar> Did you explicitly set a root password?
[02:46] <mystic> yes
[02:46] <mystic> passwd
[02:46] <gotd0t-away> sgtchubby: you're having trouble mounting an NTFS partition?
[02:46] <brettcar> So then you do have a root login?
[02:46] <mystic> yes
[02:46] <bern`> calc: well thank you very very much
[02:47] <mystic> it's ok i'll use the gnome wizard
[02:47] <jgeorgeson> clochejm: hm, i'm kinda stumped
[02:47] <bern`> calc: now I have to go about getting my wireless setup
[02:47] <brettcar> mystic: The cups log file in /var/log, whats it say?
[02:47] <calc> bern`: which chipset is it?
[02:47] <clochejm> jgeorgeson, yeah...me too...this is very strange... I've never had problems with other distros
[02:47] <jgeorgeson> bern`: Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[02:48] <mystic> brettcar: it says that PAM went to hell
[02:48] <mystic> whatever I'll just use gnome-cups-manager
[02:48] <brettcar> mystic: Okay, I don't have my Ubuntu machine running right now so I can't check. I don't run with a root user myself.
[02:48] <bern`> calc: Its an onboard G card I'm bout to go find out what chipset it is
[02:48] <mystic> meh it's alright
[02:48] <mystic> im ok now
[02:48] <brettcar> mystic: Can you access CUPS with an admin account?
[02:48] <mystic> no
[02:48] <brettcar> Hm...
[02:48] <calc> bern`: probably a broadshit
[02:48] <brettcar> File a bug.
[02:49] <calc> bern`: lspci should tell you
[02:49] <bern`> calc: wouldn't be surprised, but I got an orinoco gold b card just incase
[02:49] <brettcar> The ACL's should allow it one way or another I feel.
[02:49] <brettcar> mystic: If you could include a patch changing the default cups config file to include the appropriate group or however you might accomplish it, thats great too.
[02:49] <calc> bern`: mine is broadcom as well, so in a couple weeks i will be replacing it with an intel 2915abg minipci card
[02:50] <doleyb> Kamion: are you still here?
[02:51] <angad> Hey everyone.  I have a vfat partition mounted under /windows but I can only access it as root.  How can I change that so that normal users can access it?
[02:51] <gotd0t> sgtchubby: you there?
[02:51] <brettcar> angad: Did you set it up in /etc/fstab at all?
[02:51] <bern`> calc: well I'm reinstalling ubuntu now, the partition was littered with all the crap I tried to do to get it working, so I'm not I'm installing with factory settings
[02:51] <angad> No, haven't even looked at it.  What should I do?
[02:51] <mystic> brettcar: I think it's working now
[02:51] <meff> ok got gnome to work again.. had to remove .ICEauthority in my homedir cause my hostname changed.. maybe this should be faq'd :o
[02:52] <brettcar> angad: Take a look at the format of /etc/fstab and add the appropriate line for your mount point
[02:52] <mystic> the whole idea of not using a root account seems convulted
[02:52] <doleyb> angad: as root, edit /etc/fstab and add a line for that drive
[02:52] <brettcar> angad: In the options section, just add 'user'
[02:52] <brettcar> mystic: Cool
[02:52] <|trey|> mystic: ? Apple seems to think its a good idea too  :/
[02:52] <angad> Great.  Thanks.  Will it just be changed when I reboot or can I just unmount and remount the partition?
[02:53] <doleyb> angad: umount it as root, then mount it as someone else
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: You can unmount and remount
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: In fact you can just do `mount /mount/point/directory`
[02:53] <|trey|> mystic: ps, apparently convulted isn't a word  :/
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: You won't have to type it all out
[02:53] <angad> Great.  Thanks.
[02:53] <mystic> haha my mistake
[02:53] <brettcar> angad: If you add the 'auto' option, it'll automatically mount on boot up too
[02:53] <angad> Cool.  thanks.
[02:53] <gotd0t> brett, that isnt really neccesary...
[02:54] <brettcar> but isn't it? ;P
[02:54] <gotd0t> i mean it doesnt hurt... but i dont believe its needed
[02:55] <brettcar> Its not needed, but helpful
[02:55] <gotd0t> Well, I dont have auto in there and it still mounts on reboot
[02:56] <brettcar> Hm. Interesting then.
[02:58] <gotd0t> ;-)
[02:58] <cef_work> anyone set up ubuntu on a dual opteron? any caveats?
[02:59] <FourdSwissCheese> gotd0t:  Clock still works in knoppix.  Definately not a CMOS problem.
[02:59] <meff> mdz: reboot fixed it.. perhaps a temporary file problem? ah well.. thanks for the testing on your side
[02:59] <gotd0t> fourd: thats interesting... no clue then
[03:00] <FourdSwissCheese> ahh well
[03:03] <Golo> Hi, i was wondering can i add a new user with the same sudo powers as the first user?
[03:04] <brettcar> Golo: Yes, if you are comfortable editing the text file
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda says that "The next meeting of the Community Council will take place on Tuesday 12 October 2004, at 16:00 UTC, in the #ubuntu-meeting channel on irc.freenode.net."  This is old news, should it be archived somewhere?
[03:04] <brettcar> Golo: Just type `sudo visudo` and see if you can figure it out.
[03:04] <RuffianSoldier> where do i untar these enlightenment themes to?
[03:05] <TheMuso> Golo: You can simply use the command sudo adduser I think.
[03:05] <Golo> okay i'll try 
[03:05] <TheMuso> bluefoxicy: Very likely, but I think it would be best to let the devs know about it.
[03:05] <brettcar> TheMuso: I don't think adduser automatically gives anyone sudo powers
[03:06] <TheMuso> Ah sorry. Missread.
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> alright, what about the agenda for the next meeting
[03:07] <bluefoxicy>  "Discussion of ProactiveSecurity" particularly
[03:08] <tseng> bluefoxicy: is that on the list?
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> there's some cruft on there about it possibly being a matter for the technical board, and a response I made
[03:08] <Golo> brettcar, i cant seem to be able to modify it
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> I would like to resolve where this belongs so that said comments can be cleared off to unclutter the page (or archived elsewhere, depending on protocol)
[03:08] <tseng> ah nice blue
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> tseng: It was my recommendation for the next meeting
[03:08] <brettcar> Golo: Is it the text editor that is giving you problems?
[03:09] <Golo> yes
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> and while we're on it, during said discussion it may be interesting to form a SecurityTeam for ProactiveSecurity if the council decides to pursue it; would a "Possible formation of the SecurityTeam" be appropriate, or should no mention be made?
[03:09] <tseng> there is a security team
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> really?
[03:10] <tseng> in the interest in closing vulnerabilities
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: EDITOR=nano sudo visudo
[03:10] <Golo> brettcar, i figured how to modify it, ut i am not sure what to type
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: See if that editor is easier
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  ok, so a subteam?
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  SecurityEnhancementTeam?  :P
[03:10] <tseng> i guess..
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> (a bit garish)
[03:10] <tseng> the way I look at it
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: Something like this
[03:10] <tseng> i dont want it to be distributed by ubuntu, pax and all that
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: username   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:10] <tseng> i just want it to be easy for you and I to use it if we'd like
[03:10] <brettcar> Golo: Where username is the new user's username
[03:11] <tseng> that means compatible glibc
[03:11] <Golo> okay
[03:11] <Golo> thanks a lot
[03:11] <brettcar> No problem
[03:11] <brettcar> Have fun with Ubuntu!
[03:11] <tseng> possibly gcc, even pre PIE/SSP for daemons
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Unfortunately stack smash protection and PIE would not be possible without recompilation, ne?
[03:11] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i just said
[03:11] <tseng> possibly build popular daemon packages with them
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  My goals are clearly different :)
[03:12] <tseng> your goals are clearly out of scope :)
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> remember that things like zlib, mozilla, and gaim are vulnerable to buffer overflows
[03:12] <brettcar> Hmm
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> libpng exploits too
[03:12] <tseng> bluefoxicy: and hopefully behind a firewall
[03:12] <brettcar> I'm wondering if we're going to need #ubuntu-devel soon ;)
[03:12] <cef_work> anyone done an install of ubuntu amd64 on a dual opteron?
[03:12] <brettcar> /whois Kamion 
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> all places where SSP would be a "good idea" in my mind.
[03:12] <brettcar> /whois Kamion 
[03:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  uh?
[03:12] <brettcar> wtf.
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Since when is loading up a malicious page with a libpng exploit protected from by a firewall? :)
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> Firewall can't block port 80, not if you want to browse the net.
[03:13] <tseng> im less paranoid about the desktop end
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I'm more paranoid on the desktop end.
[03:13] <tseng> crash my mozilla for all I care
[03:13] <ultrafunk> cef_work: doing one on a single opteron at the moment, why?
[03:13] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: They can force you to use a proxy and the proxy can filter for the attack though
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> I hate shit like Sasser and MSBlast that spread like hell
[03:14] <sgtchubby> gotd0t, Thanks. It's not an ntfs-partition but FAT32.
[03:14] <cef_work> ultrafunk: cos I have a dual one here. just creating an iso at the moment *grin*
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  it's not crashing mozilla that's the problem, it's injecting foreign code via malformed HTML and PNG images
[03:14] <cef_work> ultrafunk: btw: hi
[03:14] <calc> hmm i only have gotten 650MB of viruses so far this month, maybe some of the new m$ patches are actually working
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  do you have one there?
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  what about unknown attacks? :)
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: how many NICs does the box have?
[03:15] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: No but my workplace did
[03:15] <cef_work> ultrafunk: 3
[03:15] <maruko-work> hi all
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: hi, btw :)
[03:15] <cef_work> ultrafunk: all onboard
[03:15] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: How can patches protect from unknown attacks anyways?
[03:15] <maruko-work> how do I get root access in ubuntu?
[03:15] <ultrafunk> cef_work: Intel based ones?
[03:15] <Telep> maruko-work: sudo -s
[03:15] <brettcar> maruko-work: sudo command
[03:15] <brettcar> maruko-work: Or sudo -s
[03:15] <Telep> or just sudo
[03:15] <Telep> :D
[03:15] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  [buffer] [__guard]  damage the __guard and the program terminates before the payload is dropped
[03:15] <maruko-work> thanks
[03:15] <brettcar> Telep: You owe me a coke ;)
[03:16] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  normal operation won't overflow a buffer, or shouldn't.
[03:16] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: Some times thats just as bad
[03:16] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  only in defined cases
[03:16] <cef_work> ultrafunk: onboard whatever ships on the tyan serverworks boards.. so I'm pretty sure it's intel's.. 2 x GigE, 1 x 10/100
[03:16] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: Well if you can convince someone to refactor all their code for it ;)
[03:16] <yelo> ok, I just got ubuntu installed on my pmmx233...
[03:17] <yelo> rebooted, and it gives this error:
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  and in such cases, do you think a general purpose distribution would be deployed on such a system?  Such a system would be a critical enterprise server with a need for service guarantee.
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> besides
[03:17] <yelo> grub loading....error 18
[03:17] <yelo> any reason why that would be?
[03:17] <ultrafunk> cef_work: i've got some e1000 patches you might want to grab that, when I was running the same box with preview, latency was a killer.
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> if I could inject code, I could down the program if I wanted.
[03:17] <cef_work> ultrafunk: new office server. thought I'd try ubuntu on it.. *grin*
[03:17] <cef_work> ultrafunk: will definitely keep that in mind
[03:17] <yelo> let the partitioner default, as I did with all other options...
[03:18] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: This is highly hypothetical, despite its real life truths and applications :P
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  yes, yes very hypothetical
[03:18] <ultrafunk> cef_work: although, i'd say the same issues will apply to final, given all the patches cleanly apply without offset to 2.6.8.1-16 :(
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  but trulthfully, if you're distribution is intended for general use, it's most likely not going to be put onto a highly specialized production server.  :)
[03:19] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: But hypothetically... ;)
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> bypothetically you have a PHB
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> :)
[03:19] <brettcar> lol
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> "There used to be this DOS thing that was cool, let's run apache from that!"
[03:19] <brettcar> Hold on, I'm feeling random...
[03:20] <brettcar> sh: line 1: fortune: command not found
[03:20] <brettcar> Authors (and perhaps columnists) eventually rise to the top of whatever
[03:20] <brettcar> depths they were once able to plumb.
[03:20] <brettcar> 		-- Stanley Kaufman
[03:20] <brettcar> I feel much better now.
[03:20] <meff> "They use IIS so why not us?"
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> heh.
[03:20] <Keknehv> what's the command to mount a floppy in bash? (given the desired mount directory as /mnt/floppy)
[03:21] <brettcar> That was strangely apropos, in an irrelevant way.
[03:21] <brettcar> Secretly I am convinced fortune reads my mind :P
[03:21] <Keknehv> lol
[03:21] <brettcar> Lets do another.
[03:21] <brettcar> There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking
[03:21] <brettcar> about.
[03:21] <brettcar> 		-- John von Neumann
[03:21] <brettcar> Okay I'm done. No more spam.
[03:21] <jimmy_dean> hmm, I'm running on a pretty much brand new Ubuntu install and I can't seem to make ./configure happy with my gcc...it says gcc doesn't pass the sanity test...any thoughts on what I need to do to fix this?
[03:22] <meff> whats next. /exec -o figlet 0WNz3D
[03:22] <meff> ;)
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: apt-get install build-essential
[03:22] <brettcar> meff: Nah, figlet ain't free software ;)
[03:22] <meff> lol
[03:22] <jimmy_dean> brettcar: ok, I'll try that...thanks
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: You make great sausages
[03:22] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: Thanks.
[03:23] <jimmy_dean> thanks :)
[03:23] <brettcar> I shouldn't IRC drunk.
[03:23] <cef_work> brettcar: not always a good idea
[03:23] <brettcar> Ah but the memories!
[03:23] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  have you seen http://lwn.net/Articles/106214/ btw?  *shameless plug*
[03:23] <cef_work> brettcar: you never know what packages you'll adopt in that state
[03:23] <brettcar> haha
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> as well as http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity and half a dozen other things :P
[03:24] <brettcar> bluefoxicy: I just confessed my drunkenness and now you expect me to read all that ;)
[03:24] <meff> brettcar: soon we'll have niglet, the nano of figlet :P
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> hehe
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> brettcar:  it's short
[03:24] <jimmy_dean> thanks brettcar, I'm new to a debian based distro :)
[03:24] <LinuxJones> brettcar, I coded an ftp client mostly while loaded, was not good :D
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> there's 5 times more comments posted than there is article.
[03:24] <brettcar> meff: damn you're terrible :P
[03:24] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: You're welcome, enjoy Ubuntu!
[03:24] <cef_work> brettcar: "oh my god I was so drunk I ended up putting up my hand for packaging KDE".... see.. it could be real bad!
[03:24] <jimmy_dean> oh I am :)
[03:25] <jimmy_dean> brettcar: how about missing python headers, any idea what package that is? :)
[03:25] <brettcar> jimmy_dean: apt-cache search python
[03:25] <brettcar> Take your pick ;)
[03:25] <cef_work> brettcar: in fact, I'm pretty sure that's how daniels got involved with KDE, and X
[03:25] <brettcar> thats an awesome strategy for world domination.
[03:26] <brettcar> get everyone drunk and let them take the hard jobs.
[03:26] <meff> heh
[03:26] <brettcar> then savor your sober victory.
[03:26] <meff> bush "oh my god im so high on cocaine lets attack iraq"
[03:26] <brettcar> hah
[03:26] <brettcar> that deserves another fortune
[03:26] <brettcar> Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
[03:26] <brettcar> teach children.
[03:26] <brettcar> 		-- W.H. Auden
[03:26] <brettcar> Wow, how apt again!
[03:26] <ctalkep> hi again
[03:26] <meff> lol
[03:26] <ctalkep> one more question ?
[03:26] <brettcar> I swear, it is reading my mind :P
[03:27] <cef_work> brettcar: well it's how i ended up with my name in the linux kernel... got Rusty drunk at a charity T-shirt auction.. and he then promised to put the name of whoever won the auction's name into the kernel if the bid went over $1000
[03:28] <brettcar> cef_work: whats the specific credit line say?
[03:28] <brettcar> cef_work: Big Spender - cef?
[03:29] <Keknehv> you think FORTUNE is reading your mind? try this! http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
[03:30] <brettcar> i swear you are all trying to cause my brain to explode
[03:30] <ctalkep> anyone willing to answer a weird question?
[03:30] <brettcar> with all this reading while drunk :P
[03:31] <Keknehv> HAHAHHAHA!!!
[03:31] <Keknehv> No, really, wasn't that random?
[03:31] <brettcar> very
[03:31] <brettcar> random enough for another fortune!
[03:31] <brettcar> Join in the new game that's sweeping the country.  It's called "Bureaucracy".
[03:31] <brettcar> Everybody stands in a circle.  The first person to do anything loses.
[03:31] <brettcar> wow i bet that would be tons of fun!
[03:32] <brettcar> I've successfully alienated all 258 other people in this channel.
[03:32] <brettcar> What do I win?
[03:32] <tseng> a kickban
[03:32] <Keknehv> lol
[03:32] <brettcar> damn.
[03:32] <cef_work> brettcar: in net/core/netfilter.c - /* FIXME: Stuart Young's name appears gratuitously. */
[03:32] <brettcar> That's sort of obvious though
[03:32] <brettcar> Maybe I'll get lucky and earn a K line!
[03:33] <brettcar> cef_work: hah :P
[03:33] <rtsbasic> hey. I setup Ubuntu this evening, but can't get Ati 3D accel working correctly - all the objects look corrupted/messed up - any advice?
[03:34] <meff> buy an nvidia? ;)
[03:34] <rtsbasic> Heh. this was supposed to be an upgrade from a GF4MX440 :)
[03:34] <rtsbasic> 2D's nice and snappy, but 3D in tuxracer/tuxkart is messed - smooth but messed up
[03:35] <meff> shoulda checked the support... ati writes drivers like fish swim in air
[03:35] <meff> :(
[03:35] <rtsbasic> :( Its only a 9600, not exactly bleeding edge stuff
[03:35] <rtsbasic> maybe I should have got the model down, at least that has real drivers
[03:35] <meff> i'll just say i've heard more problem reports than working reports :)
[03:36] <cef_work> brettcar: funny thing was that the bid that took it over $1000 was made by Tridge.. who already has his name in the kernel (funnily enough)
[03:36] <Keknehv> nvidia is better for linux boxes
[03:36] <calc> 9600 is the best 3D since it doesn't use a pos fan :)
[03:37] <rtsbasic> :) my nvidia was too old, so I thought i'd buy my first ATI card
[03:37] <Keknehv> lol
[03:37] <rtsbasic> think its too late to return it?
[03:37] <Keknehv> WRONG IDEA!
[03:37] <meff> ouch.
[03:37] <Keknehv> probably
[03:37] <Keknehv> http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/13886105
[03:37] <rtsbasic> Heh. don't think they'd accept that the drivers don't work
[03:37] <Keknehv> cause it's funny
[03:38] <Keknehv> Why you... VERBING ADJECTIVE NOUN!
[03:38] <Keknehv> hehhe :D
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> Any idea whether gst-python has a package in the ubuntu repository?  I'm trying to build the new flumotion streaming server
[03:38] <brettcar> DON'T SASS ME SUBTIVE ANTERIOR VALVE CLAUSE OF DENSITY!
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> I can't seem to find gstreamer and python together
[03:38] <Keknehv>  If one examines textual Marxism, one is faced with a choice: either reject neotextual constructive theory or conclude that art has intrinsic meaning. Therefore, in Beverly Hills 90210, Spelling reiterates precultural construction; in Models, Inc., although, he examines textual Marxism. Debord suggests the use of neotextual constructive theory to challenge and analyse sexual identity.
[03:39] <calc> aitrus: they at least used to be extremely loud
[03:39] <aitrus> calc: mine is brand new... PCX 5900
[03:39] <calc> ok
[03:39] <cef_work> that depends entirely on the fan
[03:39] <flash\\off> what tha heo
[03:39] <Keknehv> 5900 is outdated now
[03:39] <Keknehv> the 6xxx series is out
[03:39] <Keknehv> like the 6800!
[03:39] <rtsbasic> still does its job
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: i'm not spending money on a 6600 just to have a 6800 come out in a few weekss
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: there are no 6800 PCX yet
[03:40] <Keknehv> the 6800 IS out
[03:40] <cef_work> I've got a dual opteron with heaps of fans in it sitting behind me, and I cannot actually hear the thing running if there is any background noise.. cos most of the fans produce about 28-30 dBa
[03:40] <flash\\off> I got my 700 Bucks for my 6800 ULTRA + ps2/gtasa
[03:40] <flash\\off> :>
[03:40] <Despair> I thought Nvidia was doing PCIe, not PCIX
[03:40] <aitrus> Keknehv: PCX == PCI eXpress.  there aren't any of those yet
[03:40] <Keknehv> Oh....
[03:41] <Keknehv> Yeah...
[03:41] <Despair> aitrus: No, PCIe = PCI express. PCI-X is another standard, more similar to 64bit/66+ MHz PCI.
[03:41] <mjg59> Yay PCI!
[03:41] <Keknehv> Man, this live cd is slow...
[03:41] <mjg59> Two standards with confusingly similar names
[03:41] <aitrus> Despair: I didn't say PCIX, I said PCX
[03:41] <rtsbasic> bling bling, I guess
[03:41] <brettcar> I think we should get rid of PCI and just use transdermal interfaces
[03:41] <Despair> aitrus: that's a graphics file format. :)
[03:41] <aitrus> Keknehv: I know what PCI-X is... 64-bit 
[03:41] <brettcar> The epidermis is a fine conductor.
[03:41] <aitrus> Keknehv: errr... not you, him
[03:41] <Keknehv> Heck, let's get rid of EVERYTHING and go back to the ABACUS!
[03:41] <brettcar> Think of the levels of users we could eliminate, I mean help.
[03:42] <rtsbasic> at least then my graphics card would work
[03:42] <aitrus> Despair: maybe you should visit nVidia's website and look at their terminology
[03:42] <flash\\off> I just read something in Biology about epidermis.. what a cohincidence
[03:42] <Keknehv> It's the largest organ on your body
[03:42] <aitrus> Keknehv: it's the largest organ SYSTEM on your body
[03:42] <Keknehv> on=in
[03:42] <calc> there should be 6xxx PCX soon, since the new dual pcie boards will be out later this month or in Nov
[03:42] <Keknehv> bah
[03:42] <flash\\off> Keknehv, the skin?
[03:42] <Despair> aitrus: Just because marketing is confused doesn't make me want to be, too. :)
[03:42] <Keknehv> Veni! Vidi! Fugi!
[03:43] <rtsbasic> cheers
[03:43] <brettcar> man
[03:43] <brettcar> our nerd nitpicking has frightening him away
[03:43] <aitrus> Despair: right.  everyone else is wrong but you  =)
[03:43] <brettcar> oh no
[03:43] <brettcar> my grammar is going
[03:43] <aitrus> next it'll be your speling
[03:43] <brettcar> crap its true
[03:44] <flash\\off> does anybody in here know how to burn 2 .avi files so that I can watch them on a dvd player at school ?
[03:44] <Despair> aitrus: nah, I just don't like them disintegrating acronyms to further confuse things. that's marketing for you, though.
[03:44] <flash\\off> I mean, on linux.. I got the movie and the dvd-rw
[03:44] <brettcar> you know what
[03:44] <brettcar> this channel has been around a while
[03:44] <aitrus> Despair: yeah... it's like EIDE and EISA all over again
[03:44] <brettcar> and we haven't had an emacs vs vi(m) flame war
[03:44] <brettcar> we're really overdue.
[03:44] <keknehv> Yup
[03:44] <brettcar> so uhm.
[03:44] <keknehv> So which is better?
[03:44] <brettcar> emacs is the best.
[03:44] <aitrus> brettcar: oh yeah, well <your favorite thing> sucks
[03:44] <keknehv> I think cat is the best
[03:44] <keknehv> :D
[03:45] <brettcar> aitrus: oh yeah? well your <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here> is broken.
[03:45] <flash\\off> does anybody know how to bind together 2 movie files on linux ?
[03:45] <brettcar> not that i'd know if your sexual purposed devices are functioning, but I highly doubt it!
[03:45] <aitrus> brettcar: what are you doing inspecting  my <insert tool of non-sexual purpose here>???
[03:46] <aitrus> flash\\off: umm... well, you could just cat the two of them into one big file... hehehehehe
[03:46] <brettcar> aitrus: I am merely making an <euphmisim for deep anal cavity probe>.
[03:46] <tseng> hm, look at that nice shiny topic
[03:46] <keknehv> clear
[03:46] <keknehv> #cls
[03:46] <aitrus> brettcar: you're done
[03:46] <keknehv> dang
[03:46] <brettcar> yeah i know
[03:46] <aitrus> heheheheh
[03:46] <keknehv> how do you clear the window in X-Chat?
[03:46] <brettcar> let it rest in peace.
[03:46] <aitrus> /clear
[03:46] <brettcar> i'll spam us with fortunes!
[03:46] <flash\\off> aitrus, hmmmm help me..
[03:46] <brettcar> or not.
[03:46] <aitrus> bofh fortunes!
[03:46] <keknehv> EXCELLENT
[03:46] <brettcar> ooh yeah the bofh fortunes are good
[03:47] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  look at the topic in #-hardened :P
[03:47] <keknehv>  /join #hardened
[03:47] <keknehv> whoops...
[03:47] <aitrus> flash\\off: i was kind of kidding... however, if you just mush two avi's together they will play back to back as one big file
[03:48] <ficusplanet> I'm having trouble trying to get the new NetworkManager packages working.  I get a dbus error about "Connection :1.4" not being allowed to own the service...  Does anyone have any ideas what this means?  NetManager would really help make using this laptop easier.
[03:48] <aitrus> flash\\off: cp avi1 bigavi; cat avi2 >> bigavi
[03:48] <keknehv> how do I get webcollage to work?
[03:49] <flash\\off> aitrus, I need to burn this on a dvd and play it on a dvd player.. that possible ?
[03:49] <aitrus> flash\\off: can't help you there.  never done that stuff.  sorry.
[03:49] <ultrafunk> aitrus: have you ever seen what that command does when you try and remux the movie for playing on a DVD player -- ick!
[03:49] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: get avidemux, that'll do what you want
[03:50] <aitrus> ultrafunk: that's why i was kidding.......
[03:50] <tseng> ficusplanet: what network manager packages?
[03:50] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, thx
[03:51] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: I think the marillat repository still has it and all the dependencies you'll need.
[03:51] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, could you gimme the rep ?
[03:51] <ultrafunk> aitrus: ah, missed that bit :)
[03:51] <flash\\off> please?
[03:51] <keknehv> what should the apt-get repositories be?
[03:51] <us> Nuts, not sure if my mouse is broken, run out of battery or if knoppix doesn't like me anymore :)
[03:51] <ficusplanet> tseng, In people.ubuntu.com/~thom
[03:51] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, I think
[03:52] <flash\\off> thanks..
[03:52] <keknehv> yeah... it's that line-- if user(current)==loser; kill mouse.power; end if
[03:52] <us> Heh, well it was working fine in debian just seconds before so I doubt it's the battery
[03:52] <maruko-work> how do I install the nvidia 6111 drivers in ubuntu? the script is complaining saying it can't find any kernel headers for ubuntu
[03:53] <us> Considering the mouse is all of <20cm from the receiver
[03:53] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, doesnt work
[03:53] <flash\\off> maruko-work, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <cef_work> flash\\off: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:54] <flash\\off> cef, thanks
[03:55] <cef_work> flash\\off: or something like that.. not sure if there is now an ubuntu specific rebuild for that now
[03:56] <flash\\off> cef_work, doesnt find the pkgs of the dependencies
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: try testing instead of unstable
[03:56] <flash\\off> cef_work, maybe you know something about encoding avi's so that you can watch em on a dvd player
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: probably closer to ubuntu now
[03:56] <angie75> hello there
[03:56] <cef_work> flash\\off: nope.. haven't got a dvd burner, so haven't looked at it
[03:57] <flash\\off> cef_work, the sarge rep worked
[03:57] <angie75> just a stupid question... does ubuntu support old amd processors? i have a 400...
[03:57] <flash\\off> angie75, yep
[03:57] <cef_work> flash\\off: in fact, only dvd player I have at the moment is my home ubuntu machine
[03:57] <paulproteus> angie75: You bet.
[03:58] <angie75> nice and fast answer!!! tnx a lot guys
[03:58] <us> flash\\off: Have a look at doom9.org although I have a fear that might be a windows orientated site, at the very least it'll give you all the infomation you need save for the exact encoding:)
[03:58] <flash\\off> cef_work, I dont have a dvd player either but at school (we wanna wathc Luther and I am the warezman) they have only the dvd player
[04:01] <angie75> paulproteus & flash_off
[04:01] <angie75> tnx bye
[04:01] <angie75> spreading ubuntu in Italy :-)
[04:02] <flash\\off> angie75, sei italiana ?
[04:03] <angie75> yep 
[04:03] <flash\\off> angie75, eh viecci a trovare su azzurranet in #ubuntu
[04:03] <flash\\off> angie75, sto convertendo un sacco di italiani a ubuntu :>
[04:04] <us> w00t, finished, reboot time:)
[04:04] <angie75> pure io... si spaventavano con debian :-) adesso si ragiona
[04:04] <flash\\off> angie75, sei una ragazza immagino
[04:04] <ultrafunk> flash\\off: the repository? -- http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats has the full details on how to set it up
[04:05] <angie75> :-)
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, usi un qualsiasi Istant Messenger?
[04:05] <angie75> gaim
[04:05] <flash\\off> ultrafunk, yea yea I got it already.. thanks
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, intendevo il protocollo :P
[04:05] <angie75> haha, jabber ;-)
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, ho tutto tranne jabber, caspita :|
[04:05] <angie75> haha
[04:05] <flash\\off> angie75, se mi registro, posso aggiungerti ?
[04:06] <angie75> passero' su azzurranet ;-)
[04:06] <flash\\off> non mi vuoi su jabber ? :E
[04:06] <flash\\off> ora piango ;_;
[04:06] <angie75> non lo uso molto
[04:06] <flash\\off> ah
[04:06] <flash\\off> posso querarti ?
[04:07] <angie75> non credo di poterlo impedire :-)
[04:08] <flash\\off> angie75, semplicemente se mi dici di non querarti non ti disturbo
[04:08] <angie75> nessun problema
[04:08] <angie75> mo' vado pero'
[04:08] <ficusplanet> Woot.  NetworkManager works.
[04:10] <wulfy> good evening folks, I'm having some trouble gettin the nvidia binaries loaded
[04:10] <wulfy> I'm following the wiki
[04:10] <wulfy> but all I get is a blank screen after enabling them
[04:12] <Lathiat> wee got software suspend working on ubuntu
[04:12] <Lathiat> that was a bit of a chore
[04:14] <xf> Lathiat: howdy
[04:14] <xf> something's /really/ odd with a machine i'm trying to install ubuntu on; installation is going painfully slowly
[04:14] <xinel> anybody know how to get a sound blaster live to work?
[04:14] <xf> i'm suspeting possible hardware issues, though
[04:15] <Lathiat> hey xf
[04:15] <Lathiat> xf: cdrom slow/broken?
[04:15] <xf> nah, it's fine
[04:15] <xf> can't see any errors in any of the consoles, either
[04:16] <Lathiat> odd
[04:17] <xf> i'm up to installing the base system
[04:17] <xf> it's doing about one package every 2 or 3 minutes
[04:17] <wulfy> I've got a nvidia fx5200
[04:17] <xinel> nobody knows?
[04:17] <wulfy> when I reboot with the nvidia driver I get blackness
[04:17] <wulfy> the only change it makes when I enable is "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[04:18] <wulfy> I even commented out #glcore and #dri like a read somewhere
[04:18] <snarf> is there a cd burning app in ubuntu?
[04:19] <Lathiat> snarf: What do you want to burn?
[04:19] <snarf> an iso
[04:19] <Lathiat> snarf: just right click it in nautilus and hit burn
[04:19] <snarf> cool, never knew that
[04:19] <Lathiat> :)
[04:19] <Lathiat> you can also compile files onto a cd with nautilus
[04:20] <Lathiat> if you goto the cd creator you can paste files in
[04:20] <Lathiat> and burn them
[04:20] <Lathiat> no idea about audio cds, rhythmbox CVS is supposed to have something for that that might be incorporated at some point i guess, dunno
[04:20] <ctalkep> anyone know smth about scanners
[04:20] <ctalkep> ?
[04:20] <snarf> nautilus is awesome now
[04:20] <Lathiat> snarf: :)
[04:20] <Lathiat> ctalkep: Come again?
[04:21] <snarf> file managers in gnome/kde all sucked a few years ago
[04:21] <ctalkep> i have an old scanner working on the lpt
[04:21] <ctalkep> genius color page vivid pro
[04:21] <Lathiat> ctalkep: Play around with xsane, no idea what it does wrt LPT scanners
[04:21] <ctalkep> on win i have special drv that emulate printer on that port and it works
[04:21] <Lathiat> i know it supports alot of usb scanners
[04:22] <ctalkep> but no support for it
[04:22] <Lathiat> or google for the model and xsane
[04:22] <ctalkep> i tried:(
[04:22] <benh> hi !
[04:22] <daniels> yo dude
[04:22] <benh> do ubuntu/ppc has a recent glibc  by now or still the old crap ?
[04:22] <Lathiat> hey
[04:22] <benh> that is, does it have NPTL/TLS support
[04:22] <daniels> benh: we haven't done a large update
[04:23] <benh> I have a crashbox laptop here, I'm considering isntalling on it just to get an idea
[04:23] <daniels> um, dunno
[04:23] <daniels> we haven't done anything major to it
[04:23] <benh> well, the glibc issue is a big pain in the ass with deb
[04:23] <snarf> looks like 2.3.2
[04:23] <benh> it's totally outdated and patched to death
[04:23] <Lathiat> haha
[04:23] <benh> yah, same old junk
[04:23] <Lathiat> do any other distros have it right?
[04:23] <bronson> I think I've finished the Kernel Buildpackage Howto.
[04:23] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[04:23] <Lathiat> what is it, yelowdog or whatever?
[04:23] <bronson> Suggestions welcome.
[04:23] <wulfy> no nvidia users out there tonight?
[04:23] <bob2> benh: you should jump on ubuntu-devel and tell everyone :-)
[04:24] <bob2> wulfy: just ask your question...
[04:24] <benh> Lathiat: YDL, FC, SuSE ...
[04:24] <bob2> FC does NTPL on PPC?
[04:24] <wulfy> bob2: I have :-) -- after apt-get installing nvidia-glx and enabling it my x server doesn't start
[04:24] <Lathiat> benh: so its just debian?
[04:24] <benh> Lathiat: yes
[04:25] <Lathiat> heh
[04:25] <bob2> wulfy: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:25] <Juz_pass-n-thru> why didn't the partitioning ask/allow me to designate a swap partition? .. I just left one free .. will it ask me later?
[04:25] <daniels> benh: which version does one need to get nptl on ppc?
[04:25] <wulfy> bob2: that's how I got where I am now, followed it to a T
[04:25] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: the default thing will do it for you, if you partition it manually, you need to make one
[04:26] <Lathiat> is it just me, or in either my debian gnome2.6 or 2.8 did the battery applet let me set a suspend command that was a menu option and happened when you double clicked the battery applet...
[04:26] <Juz_pass-n-thru> there wasn't an option in the menu(s) when you do it manually
[04:26] <Lathiat> and ubuntu doesnt
[04:26] <benh> daniels: not sure exactly when it started
[04:26] <daniels> 2.3.x?
[04:26] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: yeah there is
[04:26] <benh> daniels: but if you update glibc, then I'd suggest sync with what fc has, something really recent
[04:26] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: select swap as the partition type
[04:26] <benh> well, I don't think there are any glibc "releases" anymore
[04:26] <bob2> benh: do we need glibc cvs for this to work?
[04:26] <bob2> hah.
[04:26] <xinel> can anybody help me with my sound problem?
[04:27] <benh> drepper probably decided that it was too easy for us people to have real releases
[04:27] <flash\\off> xinel, what's the prob
[04:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> there was no swap in the list of the partition types is what I'm saying
[04:27] <benh> bob2: there is nothing but glibc cvs nowadays
[04:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> ext2 thru fat32 .. no swap
[04:27] <angie75> goodnight
[04:27] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: maybe in mount point?
[04:27] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: I forget, but it is in there...
[04:28] <joem> anybody here have their home dir either a lvm or netowrk mount?
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> looked at all those places .. never found it
[04:28] <bob2> wulfy: do you have the right version of the modules installed?
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> scrolled top to bottom
[04:28] <Juz_pass-n-thru> I didn't try format .. maybe it was there ?
[04:28] <flash\\off> nobody ever burned an avi so that he can watch it on a dvd player.. cmon.. help me..
[04:28] <GotD0t-away> flash you have to convert to mpeg2
[04:28] <xinel> flash\\off: basically i have no sound at all, when i press the sound button i get this output "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[04:28] <bob2> flash\\off: dude, if no one answers, it's not a conspiracy against you, it just means no one knows.
[04:29] <bob2> flash\\off: I think you need transcode for that, tho, or mencoder to make it mpeg2.
[04:29] <wulfy> bob2: how would I tell
[04:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> I know I can do mkswap or what ever it's called later .. just wondering if it was there and  missed it or what?
[04:29] <flash\\off> mencoder doesnt work..
[04:29] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: it is there, but I can't remember the exact option
[04:29] <bob2> wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-powerpc-smp - Restricted Linux modules on PowerPC SMP.
[04:29] <flash\\off> GotD0t-away, how to convert to mpeg2 ?
[04:30] <bob2> bah
[04:30] <Juz_pass-n-thru> well I remember I found it last time on the pre release ... this is the new one
[04:30] <bob2> wulfy: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules\*
[04:30] <GotD0t> flash\\off: im not sure... ive only done that in windows
[04:30] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: if you really think it's not there, ask on the ubuntu-users list, and someone can tell you the exact location
[04:30] <GotD0t> flash\\off: i just switched to linux this weekend
[04:31] <Juz_pass-n-thru> uhhh ubuntu users list .. as in #ubuntu-users   or a forum somewhere?
[04:31] <Lathiat> Juz_pass-n-thru: mailing list
[04:31] <bob2> Juz_pass-n-thru: "list" = "mailing list".
[04:31] <Juz_pass-n-thru> k
[04:34] <wulfy> bob2: not sure exactly what I'm looking at
[04:35] <wulfy> it lists linux-restricted-mod 2.6.8.1-13
[04:35] <bob2> wulfy: what does "uname -r" print out?
[04:35] <wulfy> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:35] <bob2> hrm
[04:35] <wulfy> bob2: I also see - ii  linux-restricted-mod 2.6.8.1.3-4          Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
[04:36] <bob2> what does "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep nvidia" print out?
[04:36] <wulfy> bob2: and - ii  linux-restricted-mod 2.6.8.1-13           Restricted Linux modules on 386.
[04:36] <wulfy> bob2: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[04:36] <wulfy> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[04:36] <bob2> ah, cool
[04:36] <bob2> that means you have the right module installed and all.
[04:37] <bob2> is the module loaded?
[04:37] <bob2> "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[04:38] <wulfy> bob2: yes - nvidia               4821428  0
[04:39] <wulfy> bob2: When I boot using the nvidia driver it locks pretty hard - I can still SSH in but Control - Alt - Backspace doesn't work
[04:39] <wulfy> nor Control-Alt-f2
[04:39] <bob2> hah.
[04:43] <wulfy> bob2: hah ? was that hah of insight? perhaps? :-)
[04:43] <bob2> if loading it locks up, then there's nothing anyone but nvidia can really do to help, sorry :/
[04:44] <bob2> you might try using the other AGP thing or asking on ubuntu-users, tho
[04:44] <wulfy> bob2: the other AGP thing?
[04:44] <bob2> the nvidia kernel module can use the kernel's AGPart or it's own one
[04:45] <wulfy> bob2: what about a previous version of the driver?
[04:46] <bob2> might help
[04:48] <wulfy> bob2: can I install via apt-get or am I on my own?
[04:48] <keefer_> just finished the amd64 install, very nice so far
[04:49] <bob2> wulfy: older versions?  you'd be your own, I think.
[04:51] <PenguinBoy> good evening, guys!
[04:52] <keefer_> hola
[04:53] <magikfingerz> Hi everybody, How are you in this EXCELLENT night...? :)
[04:53] <PenguinBoy> wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:53] <PenguinBoy> how r u magic?
[04:54] <keefer_> not bad
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> great!
[04:54] <duke|ib> what's the default user/pass for cups if root doesn't have a password set?
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> I don't suppose it would be password?
[04:55] <duke|ib> :)
[04:55] <magikfingerz> I'm fine... currently installing ubuntu right now... BTW... How many time takes the ubuntu installation in a Lap Celeron 533 Mhz aprox. I have about a hour and half, and still is configuring... :p
[04:55] <keefer_> magik: shouldn't be too long, went quick for me
[04:55] <PenguinBoy> you'll make it magic
[04:56] <bob2> unpacking all those packages does take a while
[04:56] <duke|ib> i installed ubuntu on my ibook in maybe uh
[04:56] <duke|ib> 30 minutes
[04:56] <duke|ib> 700mhz
[04:56] <keefer_> bout the same on my amd64
[04:56] <PenguinBoy> same here
[04:56] <keefer_> 4th try is a charm
[04:56] <ficusplanet> duke|ib, How is everything working your 700MhZ iBook?  I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on one.
[04:56] <PenguinBoy> centrino
[04:56] <bob2> wow, a lot faster than on my g4 ibook
[04:57] <jgeorgeson> i've been having trouble with k3b not listing any writer devices. it lists my drive under reader, but clearly lists itself as being able to write CDRs and CDRWs
[04:57] <duke|ib> well
[04:57] <magikfingerz> Well, while is still moving, I'm fine... :)
[04:57] <duke|ib> it doesn't wake up if i put it to sleep
[04:57] <duke|ib> but other than that it's great :)
[04:57] <ficusplanet> duke|ib, OK, I'll give it a shot.
[04:57] <duke|ib> i still need the default cups password :(
[04:57] <duke|ib> oh wait
[04:57] <duke|ib> wow
[04:58] <bob2> jgeorgeson: did you follow the instrucions on the wiki?
[04:58] <duke|ib> nevermind, i'm too slow to think
[04:58] <duke|ib> go me!
[04:58] <magikfingerz> BTW, somebody know how to rip a CD to Mp3, currently I'm using GRIP, but rip only to OGG/Vorbis... :p
[04:58] <bob2> magikfingerz: nothing in ubuntu can encode mp3s.
[04:58] <bob2> magikfingerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:59] <magikfingerz> bob2, it's fine for me, but my portable CDPlayer only supports MP3, not OGG :(
[04:59] <keefer_> magik, use cdparanoia command line, then pick your encoder
[04:59] <Pizbit> Ack, ubuntu lacks some sensible aliases;)
[05:00] <Pizbit> .. = cd.. and whatnot:)
[05:00] <flash\\off> ;_;
[05:00] <flash\\off> need to burn an avi to dvd.. nobody did this before?
[05:00] <jgeorgeson> bob2: i'm looking for it but coming up dry, do you have a link?
[05:01] <bob2> keefer_: cdparanoia doesn't support any encoders at all, and ubuntu doesn't ship lame.
[05:01] <bob2> Pizbit: you can file enhancement bugs if you like.
[05:01] <magikfingerz> In fact, I know OGG/Vorbis have better quality than standard Mp3, so, its cool for me, but i'm upset 'cause I don't know any Discman what support OGG... :(
[05:01] <bob2> flash\\off: you've been given a number of suggestions, which you seem to have ignored
[05:01] <keefer_> bob2: cdparanoia will give you the wav's then have your way with them
[05:02] <flash\\off> bob2, no, I just cant get dvdrip.. doesnt install it..
[05:02] <bob2> keefer_: right
[05:02] <Pizbit> bob2: Yeah... Remind me in an hour or two:) Gota install nvidia drivers, 60hz refresh is driving me nuts, and this antiqudated version of xchat(Seems the maintainer of that even in debian isn't quick:))
[05:02] <bob2> flash\\off: "doesnt install it"? so fix that.
[05:02] <flash\\off> bob2, I mean.. there are only the deb rep's and the dependencies arent well built
[05:02] <bob2> Pizbit: the nv driver doesn't support high refresh rates on your card?
[05:03] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: the marillat repo works just fine with ubuntu, is what you need not in universe or marillat?
[05:03] <Pizbit> Seems odd, but it's the highest for this resolution. 1024x768
[05:03] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, dvdrip
[05:03] <bob2> Pizbit: that is very odd
[05:03] <bob2> flash\\off: I'm pretty sure you want transocde.
[05:04] <Pizbit> bob2: geforce420mx
[05:04] <DragonReborn> hi
[05:04] <DragonReborn> how is it going, people?
[05:04] <DragonReborn> how do I get proper ATI drivers installed on this so that I stop getting so much lag when I use openGL?
[05:04] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: you already mentioned that. is that package not in universe or marillat?
[05:05] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, it is but it needs dependencies..
[05:05] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, I couldnt run after each dep
[05:05] <bob2> DragonReborn: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:05] <DragonReborn> thanks
[05:06] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: and they aren't resolved within universe and marillat then? is dvdrip the missing dependency?
[05:06] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, right
[05:07] <defendguin> at least they got rid of the p0rn
[05:07] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Songs About Jane.rar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Kanye_West-College_Dropout-2004-RNS.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/D12-D12_World-2004-RNSS.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Confessions.tar
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Young Buck
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Usher - Confessions
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/THe HiP HoP CoLLeCTioN - 29.07.2004 By Cerberus
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/The Eminem Show
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Snoop Dogg - Greatest Hits
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Simply Red
[05:07] <flash\\off> /mnt/cdrom0/AlbumZ/Sido - Maske
[05:07] <Pizbit> Hah!
[05:08] <baHam> did you get everything
[05:08] <baHam> of my paste?
[05:08] <magikfingerz> Hurrah!! Ubuntu is working... is workiiing!! :D
[05:08] <baHam> I'm really sorry
[05:08] <DragonReborn> linux = win
[05:08] <baHam> jgeorgeson,  
[05:08] <baHam> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:08] <baHam>   dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable
[05:08] <baHam> E: Broken packages
[05:08] <DragonReborn> *as in 'I win"
[05:08] <bob2> baHam: um, don't do that again 
[05:08] <DragonReborn> not 'windows'
[05:08] <baHam> bob2, I'm sorry
[05:08] <Se7h> is there a way to read "hlp" files?
[05:08] <flash`> y0 Se7h 
[05:09] <Se7h> o.0
[05:09] <Se7h> hello
[05:09] <flash`> its baham ;>
[05:09] <flash`> remember me ?
[05:09] <Se7h> --- baHam is now known as flash`
[05:09] <Se7h> now i do
[05:09] <Se7h> :)
[05:09] <flash`> hehe
[05:10] <adam_> whats a good mysql client?
[05:11] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: i haven't been able to install transcode either, but mencode and ffmpeg install for me
[05:12] <bob2> jgeorgeson: can't find that k3b page, sorry
[05:13] <flash\\off> jgeorgeson, how to use ffmpeg?
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> bob2: me neither, i even did a google search of 'site:ubuntulinux.org k3b'. there is a how-to for fixing ~/.ICEauthority after running 'sudo k3bsetup' but that's not a probelm so far
[05:14] <Pizbit> "bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" <-Nuts, never seen this one before.
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: not really sure myself, man ffmpeg
[05:14] <bob2> Pizbit: is that partition mounted "noexec"?
[05:14] <bob2> or "user"?
[05:15] <Pizbit> user
[05:15] <bob2> that's why
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading /home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/baham/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading /etc/mplayer/mencoder_codecs.conf: 73 audio & 180 video codecs
[05:15] <flash\\off> File not found: 'frameno.avi'
[05:15] <flash\\off> Failed to open frameno.avi
[05:15] <flash\\off> Reading config file /home/baham/.mplayer/mencoder: No such file or directory
[05:15] <flash\\off> No file given
[05:15] <flash\\off> Exiting... (error parsing cmdline)
[05:15] <Pizbit> flash\\off: Bloody helll
[05:15] <Pizbit> flash\\off: www.pastebin.com :P
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: please stop flooding the channel
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: that error looks very self-explanatory
[05:15] <bob2> flash\\off: "File not found: 'frameno.avi'"
[05:16] <jgeorgeson> flash\\off: I don't know how to use mencoder or ffmpeg, i just installed them a couple days ago in anticipation of using them. check their web sites for documentation
[05:16] <bob2> dude.
[05:16] <bob2> it can't find the file you told it to use
[05:16] <bob2> fix that, for a start
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, I just RAN mencoder
[05:17] <Pizbit> bob2: Ahh, fixed, thanks:)
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, without specifiying..
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: yes, and then you ignored the error
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: then you need to specify the file to use
[05:17] <flash\\off> bob2, tried this too..
[05:17] <bob2> flash\\off: have you read the mencoder manpage or are you guessing as to how to use it?
[05:19] <bob2> flash\\off: are you trying to copy dvds?
[05:20] <flash\\off> bob2, I have an .avi on my pc and I want to burn it to dvd in order to watch it on a dvd player
[05:21] <bob2> flash\\off: http://dominia.org/djao/dvdsub.ver3-5.html
[05:21] <bob2> which googling for "mencoder avi video cd" found.
[05:22] <Pizbit> weeee. compiling xchat 2.4 :)
[05:22] <flash\\off> Pizbit, get the debian package..?
[05:22] <flash\\off> :D
[05:23] <WW> jgeorgeson (cc bob2): There's something about k3b in the Ubuntu Howto's, but I don't know if it helps with your problem.
[05:23] <Pizbit> flash\\off: Universe has only 2.0.8
[05:25] <jgeorgeson> WW: if it's the bit about fixing perms on .ICEauthority then no
[05:26] <flash\\off> Pizbit, debian package
[05:27] <Pizbit> w00t, tvtime playing fine
[05:27] <WW> jgeorgeson: That's the one... never mind...
[05:27] <KazeNoBokusha> OK, i've just installed the wonderful magicly awesome ubuntu, although i don't see how such a short name could actually mean `I am what I am because of who we all are' in `ancient African', but it's great nonetheless
[05:27] <atariboy> does warty have inotify installed?
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> but there's a snag, you see
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i can't play my videos because i can't get w32codecs
[05:28] <Pizbit> So get them
[05:28] <evilmegaman> hello
[05:28] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i can't get them, so get them? that doesn't even make sense
[05:28] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: you need to use the marillat repo, or get them by hand from mplayerhq.hu
[05:29] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Erm, what's stopping you?:)
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> repo? i thought w32codecs was in the main debian tree
[05:29] <Pizbit> Hardly
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> what's repo mean?
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: hell no
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> repossession?
[05:29] <Pizbit> respository
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> oh
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: 13:28 < bob2> KazeNoBokusha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:29] <bob2> read that
[05:29] <KazeNoBokusha> i am going there
[05:29] <evilmegaman> I still am having problems with my cd rom drive not being recognized by ubuntu. when I get to detect and mount CD rom, It can't seem to mount it. It does this with EVERY ubuntu release? No other distros do it besides mandrake
[05:29] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: have a ook at the wiki link
[05:29] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no one wtih any sense is shipping the w32codecs
[05:30] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, this is an xvid file, xvid is open source, why not include a decoder for it?
[05:30] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it's patent-encumbered
[05:30] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: xvid aren't the only codecs in the package
[05:30] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: xvid is in the w32codecs pack?
[05:30] <Pizbit> (if they are heh)
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> i don't know if xvid is in w32codecs but i know i currently can't play them
[05:31] <jgeorgeson> maybe libxvidcore4
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> maybe it's because ubuntu uses gstreamer by default and not xine for totem?
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes
[05:31] <jgeorgeson> and libxvidcore2
[05:31] <KazeNoBokusha> so gstreamer can't do xvid, that sucks
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: lots of xine codecs also patent-encumbered
[05:31] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine
[05:31] <bob2> which is in ubuntu, but not on the cd
[05:32] <KazeNoBokusha> debian includes it, and they have a pretty restrictive idea of what they include as far as patents i think
[05:32] <Pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Debian do *not* include w32codecs
[05:32] <bob2> no, but it it does include xine
[05:32] <bob2> which is what KazeNoBokusha is talking about
[05:32] <Pizbit> You most likely had the marillat line in your sources.list
[05:32] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: debian makes it much easier to get patent encumbered packages then most other distributions i've tried, except suse and mandrake
[05:33] <KazeNoBokusha> i probably did, since at one point i wanted to try mplayer
[05:33] <evilmegaman> Can anyone help me out?
[05:33] <KazeNoBokusha> turned out mplayer had some problems
[05:33] <Witigonen> jgeorgeson, I found it was very easy to install mp3 packages and the like on Fedora.
[05:33] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: maybe
[05:33] <bob2> evilmegaman: sata motherboard?
[05:33] <evilmegaman> I dunno
[05:33] <evilmegaman> Lemme check
[05:34] <jgeorgeson> Witigonen: it's easier on debian. the installer asks if you want non-US and contrib
[05:34] <jgeorgeson> with fedora you have to track down repos on your own
[05:34] <bob2> non-Us in Debian is empty now
[05:34] <bob2> and contrib doesn't have different rules for freeness to main
[05:34] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, debian-installer never asked me that
[05:34] <Witigonen> jgeorgeson, the support page http://fedorafaq.org has a yum.conf file that has it all readily available.  
[05:35] <evilmegaman> How do I know what mother board I have in windoze
[05:35] <sebast123> Does anybody knows if the CD distribution system is working and if the CDs are already on the way?
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> well, all i know is that stuff like mstt corefonts, flashplayer, and some other stuff were available after i enabled contrib, so i didn't have to look for repos on my own
[05:35] <bob2> evilmegaman: "Does your motherboard have SATA ports?"
[05:35] <bob2> sebast123: it is working, they will ship in a bit
[05:35] <bob2> sebast123: you should receive them in a month or so
[05:35] <jgeorgeson> Witigonen: which is not an official fedora (red hat) site
[05:35] <evilmegaman> bob2: oh
[05:36] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: might have been the old installer
[05:36] <sebast123> A month! that long?
[05:36] <bob2> sebast123: dude.
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> well, i'm going to get xvid, if it has patent issues, i'm sorry, but all my anime is in xvid format and there is apparently no non-patent encumbered way to play it, so i'll just get w32codecs
[05:36] <bob2> sebast123: someone is shipping thousands of cds out to random strangers around the world, waiting a month is not *that* big a deal
[05:36] <Pizbit> jgeorgeson: I'm fairly sure the old installer asked it too
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, i used RC1 and pre-RC2 installers, those are the newest ones (only ones, too)
[05:36] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no, you want xine, as I said already
[05:36] <lamont> sebast123: the masters will hit the presser no earlier than monday, and then there are _A_LOT_ of cd's to press and ship
[05:36] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: install totem-xine, I'm pretty sure it will work
[05:36] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, ok then
[05:36] <jgeorgeson> Pizbit: that's what i was saying, Kaze said debian-installer (the new one) doesn't ask
[05:37] <KazeNoBokusha> bbl
[05:37] <evilmegaman> how do I know if I have SATA ports?
[05:37] <Pizbit> Argh, that guy is nuts!
[05:37] <jgeorgeson> lol
[05:37] <bob2> evilmegaman: what sort of motherboard is it?
[05:37] <sebast123> Yeah, you're whrite, and since it's free I should not bother
[05:37] <jgeorgeson> Pizbit: don't be a hata
[05:37] <evilmegaman> See here. I know very little about hardware.
[05:38] <gatolas> lamont:  do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?
[05:38] <evilmegaman> How do I find out what I have?
[05:38] <Pizbit> jgeorgeson: I don't hate them personally, I hate their attitude:)
[05:38] <bob2> sebast123: no, just have some patience, there are lots and lots  of cds to ship
[05:38] <jgeorgeson> ;)
[05:38] <evilmegaman> I wanted to know that for a long time. but I don't want to bother my friend because he's irritated
[05:38] <bob2> sebast123: until then, you can download it and burn it yourself
[05:38] <Pizbit> brb I hope;)
[05:38] <bob2> evilmegaman: you don't know anything about the computer at all?
[05:38] <sebast123> yeah
[05:39] <evilmegaman> hardly :(
[05:39] <gatolas> lamont?
[05:39] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: you could run lspci
[05:39] <KazeNoBokusha> i know that universe is not supported, but is it known to have problems?
[05:39] <evilmegaman> I am in  windows :(
[05:39] <evilmegaman> fedora's being cheesy
[05:39] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no
[05:39] <KazeNoBokusha> then it's most likely completely safe?
[05:39] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: well, yes, but not "it will eat your cat" sort of problems
[05:39] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: right-click on My Computer, go to manage, then check out Device Manager
[05:40] <lamont> gatolas: yes?
[05:40] <evilmegaman> yeah
[05:40] <evilmegaman> That's where I am
[05:40] <tux> i've just installed the def. ubuntu warty
[05:40] <gatolas> lamont: do you know if the "free cds" is a limited/introductory policy?
[05:40] <Pizbit> Ahhh, up-to-date xchat
[05:40] <lamont> gatolas: no idea what the long term plan is for providing no-cost CD's
[05:40] <tux> lastest one, it doesn't play mp3's , anyone else have that problem ?
[05:40] <evilmegaman> So how would I find what mobo I have in device manager :P?
[05:40] <gatolas> lamont: or is it a permanent policy?
[05:41] <evilmegaman> Do you want to answer in pm jgeorgeson?
[05:41] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: you probably won't, you'll find what components are on it though
[05:41] <lamont> gatolas: no idea, really.  that's way outside of my part of things - I just build the bits... :_)
[05:41] <gatolas> tux: try using XMMS. 
[05:41] <evilmegaman> exactly what I thought. That's why I never knew what motherboard I have
[05:41] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: i'm just being cheeky. crack open the case and read the manufacturer off the board
[05:41] <tux> its not installed
[05:41] <KazeNoBokusha> oh, while i'm here, i've experienced this problem on both ubuntu and debian sarge: device manager crashes the moment it loads, so a grey window flashes on then right off again. any idea what's causing this?
[05:41] <bob2> gatolas: afaik, no decision has been made...have to see if the first lot bankrupts canonical or not ;-)
[05:42] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: are you up to date on ubuntu?
[05:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, lemme check
[05:42] <evilmegaman> I don't even know where to start when cracking open this case. it's a shuttle
[05:42] <jgeorgeson> ubuntu has a device manager?
[05:42] <bob2> jgeorgeson: yes, of a sort
[05:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, yes, no upgrades available, seeing as how i installed ubuntu mere hours ago
[05:42] <jgeorgeson> then it most likely has a shuttle mobo, check out the shuttle web site for specs
[05:43] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: that should have been fixed a while ago then
[05:43] <evilmegaman> ok
[05:43] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: please ask on the ubuntu-users list about that
[05:43] <adam__> has anyone install WINE on Ubuntu yet?
[05:43] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK
[05:43] <bob2> or bug pitti when he wakes up ;)
[05:43] <KazeNoBokusha> ubuntu-users?
[05:43] <tux> is there a way to dl the ubuntu ximms while not using ubuntu ?
[05:44] <tux> *xmms
[05:44] <bob2> tux: er, yes, but why?
[05:44] <tux> like a site url or something
[05:44] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes, the mailing list.
[05:44] <jgeorgeson> tux: you could browse the repo linked on the web site, and save the .deb
[05:44] <tux> well i dont have internet access at home , so have to dl elsewhere and copy over :/
[05:44] <tux> cheers
[05:44] <evilmegaman> agh. Is there any way to do a network installation of ubuntu?
[05:44] <evilmegaman> Maybe use the live CD?
[05:44] <bob2> tux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xmms/
[05:45] <jgeorgeson> evilmegaman: if you can get the live cd, why not get the install cd and install off that?
[05:45] <tux> bob2 : thx
[05:45] <bob2> evilmegaman: why do you think that will work when the install oen doesn't?
[05:45] <evilmegaman> Umm my computer's weird like that bob2
[05:45] <tux> bob2 : its only 2 mb :O
[05:46] <bob2> tux: it will Depend on other things, tho
[05:46] <evilmegaman> only 2 distros don't work with my cd rom
[05:46] <bob2> which you will need to also download
[05:46] <pizbit> Alltighty, how does one disable rivafb?:)
[05:47] <nickers> libswt install!? where is it
[05:47] <nickers> i was azureus
[05:47] <nickers> want
[05:47] <jgeorgeson> bob2, the k3b sourceforge site mentions that even 2.6.8.1 has problems (seems to recognize my burner in nautilus just fine though)
[05:47] <pizbit> Methinsk someone asked recently
[05:47] <bob2> nickers: isn't that some ibm java gui lib?
[05:47] <nickers> swing stuff
[05:47] <nickers> its pretty basic stuff
[05:47] <bob2> jgeorgeson: yeah, to do with permission changes in root
[05:48] <nickers> takes gcj to gui is its slogan
[05:48] <bob2> nickers: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:48] <nickers> ialready have java
[05:48] <nickers> this is an additional lib
[05:49] <fsc> how can I tweak XFree86-4 so that I can get both my synaptic touchpad and my usb wireless mouse to work at the same time?
[05:49] <bob2> it should Just Work
[05:49] <KazeNoBokusha> when i try to install totem-xine, it wants to remove not just totem-gstreamer, but ubuntu-desktop as well! shouldn't ubuntu-desktop rely on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine even though xine isn't in the main repository?
[05:49] <jgeorgeson> fsc it Just Worked for me
[05:49] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: you can file a bug asking for that
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, where?
[05:50] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't do that. you don't have to worry about ubuntu-desktop being removed.
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, uaaa?!
[05:50] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: it should remove toten-gstreamer but not ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: don't bother filing a bug, it won't be fixed
[05:50] <fsc> jgeorgeson, well, the touchpad doubletap wouldn't work out of the box for me, so i had to setup xfree86-4 to do some synpatic stuff, now the usb mouse doesn't work because of some changes i had to do and synpatic was getting loaded twice
[05:50] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, it isn't so
[05:50] <jdub> jgeorgeson: yes it should
[05:50] <bob2> ah
[05:50] <WW> KazeNoBokusha: I think that's normal. ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.
[05:51] <fsc> jgeorgeson, i've got both in Xfree86-4, i just need to tweak it so that either or can work
[05:51] <jgeorgeson> jdub: it should? it didn't when I installed it, i don't think
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> but it new packages are added to the meta package, and i don't have the meta package installed, it won't automatically install those new packages
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> on update
[05:51] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: if you remove something that u-d depends on, it will be removed too.
[05:51] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: that's right
[05:51] <KazeNoBokusha> s/it/if/
[05:51] <fsc> jgeorgeson, were you getting double-tap on the synaptic working out of the box, or was the touchpad acting basically as a serial mouse?
[05:52] <jgeorgeson> fsc: i've never tried to get that working
[05:52] <nuOpus> Hey whats up all?
[05:52] <nuOpus> I just converted to Ubuntu
[05:52] <nuOpus> great distro
[05:52] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, which is why it's a bug that i have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it's not. :-)
[05:52] <jgeorgeson> jdub: maybe i spoke to soon, dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop says no pacakegs found
[05:52] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yeah, i've got the double-tap working and the right-click/lower-corner tapping, so that's cool. but now i need for the wireless/usb mouse and the touchpad to work simultaneously
[05:52] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, ubuntu desktop shouldn't depend on totem-gstreamer, it should depend on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine
[05:52] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: no, it shouldn't. :-)
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, why not?
[05:53] <kro> ls
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> it would make more sense if you want one and not the other
[05:53] <nuOpus> whats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?
[05:53] <kro> opps.  heh
[05:53] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: you can remove ubuntu-desktop after it's installed
[05:53] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: it depends precisely on what is in the supported desktop set, no more, no less.
[05:53] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: i would imagine it's a philosophical 'avoid patented stuff' thing
[05:53] <lamont> jdub: as it should/must
[05:53] <KazeNoBokusha> lamont, except that if they update it to require a new package, and i don't have u-d, it won't install that new package automatically
[05:53] <lamont> jgeorgeson: ubuntu-desktop only depends on things in main, nothing in universe.
[05:54] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: true.
[05:54] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: if you change your system, that's the price you have to pay
[05:54] <jgeorgeson> lamont: that's kinda what i meant
[05:54] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, well, you could be right, but in debian, they require things like patent-free | paten-encumbered sometimes, even if you have to add non-free repo in order to get it
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: hence my earlier statement that debian makes it easier than other distros
[05:55] <lamont> KazeNoBokusha: just think of 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' as saying 'please install all of the supported parts of my desktop system, and remove anything they conflict with'
[05:55] <KazeNoBokusha> lamont, yes i know that
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> fsc: you have both InputDevice's listed in the ServerLayout section?
[05:56] <KazeNoBokusha> anyway, i see that ubuntu is even more patent-conscious than debian with it's dfsg, and that's ok, i suppose
[05:56] <bob2> patents aren't so much a freedom issue as a "we can get sued" issue
[05:57] <WW> bob2: Just curious... Does java fall in the "we can get sued" category? 
[05:57] <KazeNoBokusha> well, either debian doesn't care about being sued, or they've evaluated the risk to be extremely low
[05:57] <nuOpus> whats the easiest way to get totem to use mplayer? Just compile totem from scratch?
[05:57] <bob2> WW: no
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> WW, i don't think it does, it's just not Free
[05:58] <rancoras> anybody ever notice that aisleriot doesn't resize well?  If the cards run off the bottom of the window...they can't be moved
[05:58] <bob2> WW: it falls into the "sun's version is often needed but has a stupid license"
[05:58] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yes
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> nuOpus, is it even possible?
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> KazeNoBokusha: who would get sued? debian is a network of volunteers?
[05:58] <nuOpus> ya
[05:58] <nuOpus> I did it all the time in Gentoo
[05:58] <KazeNoBokusha> jgeorgeson, ah, good point
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> i guess the packager and the maintainer of the repository hosting the package
[05:58] <fsc> jgeorgeson, but right now the usb/wireless mouse is commented out because i was having problems.  do you know what "SendCoreEvents" in xfree86-4 means?
[05:58] <jdub> nuOpus: totem doesn't have an mplayer backend
[05:58] <nuOpus> I used mplayer instead of gstreamer or xine cuz mplayer just played media better
[05:58] <nuOpus> uhhh ya it does
[05:58] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, Totem can't use mplayer, dude.
[05:59] <nuOpus> ask anyone who has ever used gentoo
[05:59] <jdub> no really, it doesn't :)
[05:59] <RageMax> xine is better anyway
[05:59] <jgeorgeson> fsc: it tells X to treat events from that device as though they were events from the Core device of that category
[05:59] <nuOpus> I constantly play my movies with totem. Sometimes when it crashes I have to killall mplayer
[05:59] <nuOpus> to remove the process
[05:59] <jgeorgeson> (pretend this mouse device is the Core mouse)
[05:59] <fsc> jgeorgeson, and that does what....?
[05:59] <KazeNoBokusha> nuOpus, i've tried both extensively, the only major difference being that when you use the osd and you are watching an xvid file, the osd leaves residue until those specific pixels are updated to show a different color
[06:00] <jgeorgeson> fsc: that's what enables the multiple mouse setup, like a hotpluggable usb mouse to go with your touchpad
[06:00] <fsc> jgeorgeson, curious, because i'm looking at sample xfree86-4 file and that's what it has in the ServerLayout section
[06:00] <KazeNoBokusha> of course, if you need to fool with the plugins, you might also want mplayer, but other than that not really
[06:00] <jdub> nuOpus: unless there is some kind of insanely stupid gentoo patch (which i doubt), there is no relationship between totem and mplayer at all :-)
[06:00] <nuOpus> but ya ... fuscus I can show you a process list playing a movie. Totem used mplayer to play through totem
[06:00] <fsc> jgeorgeson, so should one be a CorePointer and the other a SendCoreEvents?
[06:01] <jgeorgeson> fsc: yes
[06:01] <fsc> jgeorgeson, does it matter which one?
[06:01] <jgeorgeson> fsc: i don't think so, my core is /dev/input/mice and the sendcore is /dev/psaux
[06:01] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, http://www.hadess.net/totem.php3 Mplayer isn't even mentioned.  Also, grep the source code - no mplayer.
[06:01] <WW> bob2 (or anyone else): So Java is not included because of a philosophical stance, not a legal constraint?
[06:01] <nuOpus> then its a gentoo patch
[06:01] <fsc> jgeorgeson, ok, i'm gonna try this
[06:01] <nuOpus> gotta get it going for debian
[06:01] <bob2> WW: no, because it's non-Free
[06:02] <fsc> jgeorgeson, thanks for your help
[06:02] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, that is a philosophical stance, actually
[06:02] <bob2> WW: which I suppose is a philosophical constraint, but a very pragmatic one
[06:02] <nuOpus> but ya fiscus .... I have been using it constantly with mplayer for a while. This is the first time I have not used totem without mplayer
[06:02] <jgeorgeson> fsc: only thank me if it works :p
[06:02] <nuOpus> since I switched to ubuntu
[06:02] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it has usage restrictions
[06:02] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: mixing that in with Free software is baaaaaad
[06:02] <joem> nuOpus, no, you are really wrong
[06:02] <fsc> jgeorgeson, ok, i'll be cursing your name when i relog into X if it doesn't...j/k
[06:02] <WW> bob2: I also use Libranet, and in their Adminmenu, there is an "Install Java" button.
[06:02] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, unless you care about compatibility and such stupid things as running java software and such
[06:02] <nuOpus> Ahhhhhh so it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to patch it so it does?
[06:02] <jdub> nuOpus: quite seriously, you are not correct.
[06:03] <nuOpus> cuz thats how it worked in Gentoo
[06:03] <WW> bob2: ... install plugins, anyway.
[06:03] <fsc> hehe. ok time to log out of X
[06:03] <jdub> nuOpus: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/gentoo-portage/media-video/totem/
[06:03] <bob2> WW: Debian has an installer package in contrib too, iirc
[06:03] <jdub> nuOpus: it would require a fairly significant amount of work to use mplayer within totem, and would be pretty well known if it had been done
[06:03] <ficusplanet> nuOpus, funny how a google search doesn't mention it, too.  Seems like something that would be noteworthy enough to show up.
[06:03] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: "Hey, here's an ubuntu CD, it's completely Free software, you can do whatever you want with it...Oh, except you can't A B AND C"
[06:03] <jgeorgeson> i've always just gone to java.sun.com to download and install it, even on windows
[06:03] <nuOpus> Okay ... now I will have to reinstall gentoo just to show you guys a process tree
[06:04] <WW> bob2: I guess I don't see why Ubuntu couldn't have a simple "Install Java" option somewhere.
[06:04] <bob2> WW: it could...
[06:04] <rancoras> nuOpus: ok, we'll see you in a couple days then :P
[06:04] <joem> nuOpus, do you really think that everybody but you(and the author) somehow missed totem having an mplayer backend
[06:04] <bob2> WW: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats :-)
[06:04] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, well you could do like debian does where it doesn't include the binary in the .deb, but merely downloads it and installs it...
[06:04] <joem> s/and/including
[06:04] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, that's what debian does with quake
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> WW: i think it has to do with licensing to redistribute the jdk/jre
[06:04] <WW> bob2: actually, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:04] <bob2> WW: ah, cool
[06:05] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it could do that in multiverse, yeah
[06:05] <WW> bob2: But that web page is a confusing mess.
[06:05] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: quake itself is free, it's the shareware data that isn't..
[06:05] <bob2> WW: hm, "someone" should fix it...are you bored? :-)
[06:05] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, multiverse?
[06:05] <WW> bob2: I'm the one who added the "Method 4" a few days ago.  
[06:05] <bob2> WW: ah
[06:06] <KazeNoBokusha> Method 4?
[06:06] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: ubuntu's non-free, more or less
[06:06] <eheieh> so, how 'bout dem almost nekked people?
[06:06] <jdub> eheieh: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[06:06] <WW> bob2: But I haven't installed java yet.  Even the ubuntu site had gave two different links for installing java.
[06:07] <eheieh> cool
[06:07] <jgeorgeson> what is so freaking complicated about going to java.sun.com and downloading it?
[06:07] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, ubuntu doesn't release source then?
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: he means "multiverse is where non-free stuff lives in ubuntu"
[06:07] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: for what?  everything in main and universe is Free Software, with fully available source.
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: not "ubuntu is non-free"
[06:07] <jdub> KazeNoBokusha: though his apostrophe would suggest otherwise
[06:08] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: oh, mind the apostrophe :)
[06:08] <bob2> erm, don't mind.
[06:08] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, ok
[06:08] <aj> bob2: "apostrophe of posession"
[06:08] <aj> sounds like a good title for a horror flick
[06:09] <jgeorgeson> this years runaway hit
[06:09] <daniels> 'sideshow and the killer apostrophe'
[06:09] <bob2> "that apostrophe at my baby!"
[06:09] <bob2> erm, ate.
[06:10] <WW> "Those things in the basement are my former husbands", she said.
[06:10] <jgeorgeson> lol
[06:10] <jgeorgeson> anyone have suspend/hibernate working?
[06:10] <KazeNoBokusha> so does any code meant to decode xvid automatically have patent worries, or is it just the current implementations?
[06:11] <bob2> jgeorgeson: x40 owning bastards do.
[06:11] <daniels> bob2: the apostrophe ate your e, by the looks
[06:11] <daniels> jgeorgeson: yeah
[06:11] <jgeorgeson> daniels: how?
[06:11] <jgeorgeson> :D
[06:11] <fsc> jgeorgeson, yeah, that worked great.  the SendCoreEvents is the ticket...and when I had copy-n-pasted the synpatics section it had a "CorePointer" section in it two, that's why it failed.  thanks again
[06:12] <fsc> hehe
[06:12] <jgeorgeson> fsc: no problem
[06:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: if you have a thinkpad x40, follow the instructions on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/x40/
[06:12] <fsc> and with auto-hinter on, the fonts look great
[06:12] <jgeorgeson> daniels: drat, inspiron 2600
[06:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: they're a pretty good template for most other laptops too, though
[06:13] <daniels> you just need to stuff around checking which modules need to be unloaded, etc
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> i can suspend, but the resume just powers down after a few seconds
[06:13] <fsc> I've been working with linux since '97 and this is the first time I can say that the desktop looks gorgeous
[06:13] <elmaya> fsc how do you turn on auto-hinter?
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> trying to hibernate does nothing (no messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog, or anything, so i can't even debug)
[06:13] <fsc> elmaya, it's in /etc/fonts/local.conf ....just uncomment the second on auto-hinter
[06:13] <KazeNoBokusha> i read in the ubuntu review that it came with firefox 1.0PR, but it has 0.9.3, is there a reason? instability? i know when i tried 1.0PR on my windows box it had some problems
[06:14] <fsc> elmaya, the section rather
[06:14] <elmaya> fsc thanks i will try
[06:14] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it was downgraded due to instability, yeah
[06:14] <fsc> and it's cool that Ubuntu are big python supporters.....I've been playing around with pygtk and I like what I see
[06:14] <elmaya> brb
[06:14] <SuperLag> Good evening, folks.
[06:14] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK. what were the problems? in windows it would stop accepting certain keys as input
[06:15] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: crashes
[06:15] <eheieh> bon soir superlag
[06:15] <SuperLag> The default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up?
[06:15] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: for instance, for some people, it would crash when you clicked javascript popup links
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> daniels: so you don't have hibernate, just suspend?
[06:15] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, oh wow, i haven't experienced crashes, except 0.9 on gentoo and 0.8 on windows
[06:15] <WW> SuperLag: Do you mean, for example, hw_random?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: that, and if I remember it right, pciehp and some others
[06:16] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, well perhaps it is linux specific? i've clicked such links without a problem
[06:16] <WW> SuperLag: ... and maybe something about yenta and i823560?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: wait a minute... isn't hw_random just the random number generator?
[06:16] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: it only affected some people, but it hit on mac os X (at least), too
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> fsc: so what sort of stuff did you add for the synaptics stuff, just driver options?
[06:16] <SuperLag> WW: yeah, those too
[06:16] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: apparently it's been fixed, but no one knows how or why
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, so 1.0PR might be added again?
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: correct
[06:17] <SuperLag> WW: I thought they might be loaded from modules.conf, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: but it uses so little battery it doesn't matter
[06:17] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: not to warty, but to hoary, yes
[06:17] <Amroc> lamont, nope it cant see wireless
[06:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: it would take 160 hours to drain the battery; i'm comfortable with that
[06:17] <jgeorgeson> brb
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, i assume hoary is what the next release will be called?
[06:17] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, when's that due? sometime in march?
[06:18] <WW> SuperLag: I don't know the details, but I've been told that the errors are cosmetic.  Maybe the experts here can clarify.
[06:18] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: yes, april
[06:18] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, OK, just in time for fanime ;) (not sure what they have to do with each other but, meh)
[06:18] <WW> SuperLag: You might also find information in bugzilla.
[06:19] <SuperLag> WW: well, I know the _why_... I just don't know what file lists the modules to be loaded at boot time.  That's the part that would fix it.  just remove/comment the relevant lines.
[06:19] <lamont> Amroc: wanna send me details on the card?
[06:19] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: fanime?
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> ok, next question of mine: how do i get all this laptop and RAID and LVM related stuff to stop loading at startup since i'm on a desktop machine that uses none of these, much less a battery?
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, an anime convention in california
[06:19] <bob2> oh
[06:19] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, in april
[06:19] <pizbit> Bah, that didn't disable the vesafb modules from loading
[06:20] <fsc> yeah, i don't need the RAID and LVM stuff either. and framebuffer and a bunch of other stuff....whereever the module list is
[06:20] <fsc> distros still confuse me with module stuff
[06:20] <KazeNoBokusha> about the laptop/RAID/LVM stuff, i bet it's using resources
[06:20] <SuperLag> The default install of Ubuntu installs a very modular kernel and I get a LOT of module errors when I boot.  How can I clean that up? hw_random, pciehp, i82365, yenta are some examples... Gentoo will read /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 for a list of modules to be loaded (assuming you don't have hotplug enabled/installed).... does Ubuntu read a file also?  I'm just wanting to clean that up some.
[06:20] <KazeNoBokusha> fsc, framebuffer is good for having higher resolution console
[06:20] <SuperLag> GAH
[06:20] <SuperLag> sorry'
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: I don't need that though, most people don't.
[06:21] <WW> SuperLag: OK, I'll be watching to see what answers you get here. I wouldn't mind cleaning up some of that stuff myself.
[06:21] <fsc> KazeNoBokusha, i don't care about high-res in virtual consoles
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Interferrs with nvidia drivers too apparently
[06:21] <KazeNoBokusha> pizbit, ok then, i find it useful to view more boot messages though
[06:21] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: dmesg is good for that
[06:21] <fsc> the question is where is the modules list in ubuntu...every distro does module stuff differently.  I still get confused on how modules work
[06:21] <KazeNoBokusha> dmesg? doesn't that not display all the messages?
[06:22] <pizbit> *shrug* It shows what I need to see
[06:22] <pizbit> But anyway, how to get rid of the damned vesafb?:)
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> well i remember on debian it didn't for example show privoxy loading
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> pizbit, recompile is the only way, right?
[06:22] <KazeNoBokusha> or maybe not...
[06:22] <linux_mafia> my city is having an installfest, i want to push ubuntu as the (one of) distro to use, im sure i read a summary of what was so good about it somewhere, maybe osnews or something? unfortunately i think it was a ubuntu vs debian proper thread, not the angle i want to push, but it did highlight the best points, and counter arguments i may face, anyone know of the article/thread?
[06:23] <pizbit> KazeNoBokusha: Nah, they're modules so there should be an arguement to put on the kernel boot line
[06:23] <bronson> linux_mafia: Ubuntu just works.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, sorry, Slack already uses that line
[06:23] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: dmesg is only ever kernel messages
[06:23] <linux_mafia> bronson, well i know that, you know that ....
[06:23] <bronson> In my experience, anyway.  Requires much less fiddling than Debian or Red Hat.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> just go in #slackware and you'll hear tons of `Slack Jut Works'
[06:23] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: er, good point.
[06:23] <KazeNoBokusha> or `it Just Works'
[06:24] <KazeNoBokusha> s/Jut/Just
[06:24] <bronson> Though Slack, in my experience, doesn't really.  It takes a lot of configuration....
[06:24] <pizbit> Hrm, google suggests video=vesa:off
[06:24] <KazeNoBokusha> well, it's what they say, anyway
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> maybe it Just Works once you've configured it?
[06:25] <elmaya> mm well i see no real difference :(
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> ;)
[06:25] <bronson> Ubunto: A Fine Default Install.
[06:25] <bronson> maybe that's not very catchy...
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> replace Fine with something more positive
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> like great
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> or sane
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> Ubunto [sic] : Sane Defaults for Everyone!
[06:25] <bronson> A Sane Default Install As Long As You Like Gnome.
[06:25] <KazeNoBokusha> haha
[06:26] <pizbit> Hrm, does one need to run grub (with some arguments?) after changing the bootline?
[06:26] <fsc> let the desktop wars commence
[06:26] <KazeNoBokusha> who wouldn't? those who like clutter? well if they really insist, gnome can be made to be cluttered, with some work
[06:26] <bronson> fsc: good one!
[06:26] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: A lot of people confuse clutter with control.
[06:27] <templest> Er, Hey hey? Anyone care to help me get ubuntu to completely unload XFree, and preferably dump me into a terminal login instead of gdm? :)
[06:27] <bronson> templest: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:27] <KazeNoBokusha> i can control most everything i want with gnome, and for what i can't, i'd rather ask in irc and hunt up a man page than deal with KDE
[06:27] <KazeNoBokusha> otoh, Gnome has no `G3b'
[06:27] <bronson> There's some way of using update-rc.d to make it permanent.
[06:28] <fsc> I used to think that the KDE clutter was not that big of a deal and technically, I still think KDE is better, but about 8 months ago I accidently logged into Gnome and haven't looked back.  I just couldn't stand all the crap that KDE was throwing at me
[06:28] <templest> bronson: so if I restarted (or simply logged out), would it throw me into a terminal login?
[06:28] <bronson> I wish there was a GUI for managing services.  Or, I wish I knew about it if there is.  :)
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> and `Gparted' isn't complete yet, either
[06:28] <bob2> templest: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> which is why knoppix makes a better cd than gnoppix, i hear
[06:28] <bronson> templest: the "stop" says stop now, doens't make it permanent.
[06:28] <bronson> bob2: yeah, that's easiest.
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, there is
[06:28] <KazeNoBokusha> i think
[06:28] <linux_mafia> bronson, there is, its just not included, you can get it
[06:29] <templest> @bob2 & bronson: Thanks for the help. ;)
[06:29] <archi> My desktop resolution is fixed at 60 hz, I really need to up that. Please let me know which file to edit
[06:29] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:29] <archi> thanks
[06:29] <WW> SuperLag: Nothing yet?
[06:29] <fsc> archi, xfree86-4 probably. in /etc/X11
[06:30] <fsc> or XF86Config-4 like KazeNoBokusha said
[06:30] <linux_mafia> bronson, http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/runlevel.jpg
[06:30] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, but for me, ubuntu detected the manufacturer recommended defaults, it can do higher, of course, but dell thinks it would be unsafe
[06:30] <KazeNoBokusha> (dell made my monitor, or at least the casing)
[06:30] <bronson> linux_mafia: Hey groovy.  But I don't see a way of specifying runlevel...?
[06:31] <pizbit> bbs
[06:31] <SuperLag> WW: nope
[06:31] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, what app?
[06:31] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, aka what's the package name, or is it not in apt?
[06:31] <SuperLag> WW: <fabbione> SuperLag: it makes no difference other than for estetich
[06:31] <archi> It didn't detect my monitor correctly
[06:32] <archi> what do I have to do to get the changes to take?
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, apt-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:32] <bronson> I just wrote the kernel by hand howto.
[06:32] <archi> ok thanks
[06:32] <bronson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelByHandHowto
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> make sure you have monitor specs on hand
[06:32] <KazeNoBokusha> and choose the advanced option
[06:32] <bronson> But there's something in there that bugs me...
[06:32] <archi> well I just changed it by hand
[06:32] <archi> is that ok?
[06:32] <bronson> Didn't the 2.4 kernel manage symlinks for you, keeping vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old up to date.
[06:32] <bronson> ?
[06:33] <bronson> "make install" in 2.6 doesn't seem to do that.
[06:33] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, what did you change?
[06:33] <archi> the frequencies
[06:33] <archi> for horizontal and verticle
[06:33] <bronson> It just drops the new vmlinuz into /boot and makes you update the symlinks by hand.
[06:33] <bronson> Am I missing something here?
[06:33] <jgeorgeson> daniels: so that grub option doesn't help me
[06:33] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, well apt-reconfigure gives you more control, but do as you will
[06:33] <WW> SuperLag: Sure, esthetics... and, for the next six months, questions here and in the mailing list every time a kernelly challenged newb like myself installs Ubuntu :-)
[06:34] <daniels> jgeorgeson: i've no idea, then -- try google?
[06:34] <daniels> it's different on every laptop
[06:34] <jgeorgeson> fsc: which features did you enable with the synaptics driver?
[06:34] <SuperLag> WW: kernelly challenged? o.O
[06:34] <joem> jamesh: around?
[06:34] <KazeNoBokusha> how do i disable laptop and RAID and LVM stuff from starting up?
[06:34] <jgeorgeson> daniels: yeah, i've read over acpi.sf.net and on the linux-dell-laptops yahoo group and have come up with an impressive array of nuthin
[06:34] <archi> do I want framebuffer device interface?
[06:35] <KazeNoBokusha> archi, most likely
[06:35] <WW> SuperLag: "kernelly challenged" = ignorant
[06:35] <jgeorgeson> pretty irritating when the latitude c400 worked beatifully, including the BIOS hibernate function
[06:35] <WW> SuperLag: kernel-wise, anyway
[06:36] <linux_mafia> KazeNoBokusha, sorry, doing other shit, not sure what app, just a part of gnome system tools iirc, googling would be in order i think ;)
[06:36] <KazeNoBokusha> linux_mafia, OK
[06:37] <WW> SuperLag: I guess Hoary will have a boot splash, and someone like me can remain blissfully ignorant.
[06:37] <Sup3rL4g> WW: in my opinion, that's the wrong response.
[06:38] <jgeorgeson> WW: do you know if it will be like the suse bootsplash or RH's rhgb?
[06:38] <jamesh> joem: yeah.
[06:38] <Pizbit> Argh ><
[06:38] <jdub> jgeorgeson: it ends up being more like rhgb
[06:39] <joem> jamesh: got a quick question about a certain gnome-vfs behavior in ubuntu, figure you can probably answer it
[06:39] <KazeNoBokusha> weird, i'm running kernel 2.6.8, but the newest kernel in apt is 2.6.7 :(
[06:39] <jdub> jgeorgeson: but cooler than both (and definitely without kernel patch mania, like bootsplash)
[06:39] <jgeorgeson> jdub: nice, i think rhgb is much nicer (no real reason why though)
[06:39] <WW> Sup3rL4g: Sure, but until kernel developers stop printing things like "error", "fatal", "wrong type", "bogus", etc during the boot, how is a newb supposed to know what's OK or what's broken?
[06:39] <SuperL4g> WW: remaining ignorant is never the right response
[06:39] <Pizbit> Ahh, there:)
[06:39] <SuperL4g> WW: read, and learn
[06:39] <jamesh> joem: I'll give it a shot :)
[06:39] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: You sure you're searching on linux-image, not kernel-image?
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> i'm searching kernel-source
[06:40] <jdub> jgeorgeson: yeah, me too
[06:40] <jgeorgeson> SuperL4g: well, if everything is working, i'd rather have a pretty progress bar. when stuff breaks,i can turn it off and learn why
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> even this mentions source 2.6.8 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[06:40] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: search on linux-source.
[06:40] <KazeNoBokusha> weird, you're right
[06:41] <joem> jamesh: on other distros, I have noticed gnome-vfs with hal runs into trouble with nfs and lvm mounted partitions
[06:41] <KazeNoBokusha> the guide mentions kernel-source though, i don't know why. and i don't know why it's changed
[06:41] <jamesh> jgeorgeson: rhgb also drops to the detailed view on some (most?) errors.
[06:41] <bronson> kernel-source is Debian, linux-source is Ubunut.
[06:41] <jgeorgeson> jamesh: true
[06:41] <jgeorgeson> hehe, ubunut
[06:41] <joem> the example in this case being nothing is shown in trash:// while ~/.trash is populated
[06:41] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: which guide?
[06:41] <joem> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156018 upstream bug
[06:41] <SuperL4g> any of you guys put 2.6.9 on your Ubuntu installs?
[06:41] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[06:41] <jdub> no, the default kernel tastes better
[06:42] <bob2> SuperL4g: ubuntu's kernel includes tooooooooooons of stuff not in kernel.org kernels
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> jdub, especially when you add cheese
[06:42] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: Erm, I don't see it.  I should hope not because I just wrote that this morning.  :)
[06:42] <joem> but ubuntu doesn't have that problem, and was wondering if you knew where it was patched, if it was somehow pmount/policy related
[06:42] <SuperL4g> bob2: oh? do tell
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, what don't you see?
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, oh must be dislexia, you're right
[06:42] <KazeNoBokusha> it does say linux-source
[06:43] <bob2> SuperL4g: patches for lots of hardware...I wouldn't move to 2.6.9 unless you want to go track down everything for your system manually
[06:43] <jamesh> joem: our gnome-vfs isn't compiled with HAL support
[06:44] <joem> oh, well that would answer it then :)
[06:44] <SuperL4g> bob2: not on Ubuntu anyways. :)
[06:44] <KazeNoBokusha> here's a question: why does ubuntu not have a root account?
[06:44] <joem> thanks much jamesh 
[06:44] <SuperL4g> bob2: I updated to it on my Gentoo box, because there were a lot of fixes for my motherboard chipset.
[06:44] <Treenaks> KazeNoBokusha: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[06:45] <jamesh> joem: the HAL code in gnome-vfs isn't really finished yet, from what I have heard.
[06:46] <joem> yea, thats what it is looking like. gnome-vfs only seems to do physical volume with hal
[06:48] <taer> ok, just read about ubuntu on lwn.. amazing.. Easy question. I'm assuming the upgrade between versions will be easy like Debian?
[06:48] <bob2> taer: yes
[06:48] <bronson> taer: Debian -> Ubuntu, no.  Ubuntu -> Ubuntu, yes.
[06:49] <KazeNoBokusha> if i have an athlon xp, do i want linux-686?
[06:49] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: It should work, but it won't be optimized.
[06:49] <bronson> 686 is 32 bit.
[06:49] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no, k7.
[06:49] <KazeNoBokusha> bronson, i have a 32 bit proc
[06:49] <taer> right.. I'm thinking of some remote server builds, and can't afford the costs of updates for a RHEL product. Was thinking debian, and then I hear of this. :)
[06:49] <bob2> bronson: so is a athlon xp.
[06:49] <bronson> duh.
[06:49] <bronson> OK, it's late.  :)
[06:49] <bronson> Right, XP wants K7.
[06:50] <KazeNoBokusha> what's late? by xp, do you mean windows? if so, why would it want k7?
[06:50] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no one said anything about windows.
[06:51] <eclipse> hi, i'd like to know does ubuntu 4.10 use x.org or xfree?
[06:51] <bronson> It's late so I'm not thinking straight.  An Athlon XP is not 64 bit proc.
[06:51] <linux_mafia> no, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 64
[06:51] <bob2> eclipse: xfree86 4.3 + a ton of patches
[06:51] <Pizbit> Hrm, is it possible to get something smaller instead of "Applications Computer" intot he taskbar that gives the same menus?
[06:51] <eclipse> ok
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, what's this about XP wants K7?
[06:51] <bob2> Pizbit: don't think so.
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> oh i see
[06:51] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: Athlon XP.
[06:51] <Pizbit> Argh, crazy talk:)
[06:51] <linux_mafia> he
[06:51] <eclipse> does it use rpm or apt-get?
[06:51] <KazeNoBokusha> k7 is not athlon 64
[06:51] <bob2> eclipse: apt.
[06:52] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: right.
[06:52] <bob2> eclipse: it's based on Debian, remember.
 no, k7 == athlon xp k8 == amd 64
[06:52] <eclipse> ok, nice
[06:52] <KazeNoBokusha> he seems to think otherwise
[06:52] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: what is wrong with what linux_mafia said?
[06:52] <linux_mafia> KazeNoBokusha, thats what i said
[06:52] <bronson> who me?  I tried to correct myself way back up there.  :)
[06:52] <eclipse> it's so much easier to install apps with apt than freaking dep. hell rpm
[06:53] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, he said that k7 is athlonx 64
[06:53] <KazeNoBokusha> athlon*
[06:53] <Pizbit> eclipse: You're syaing that knowing fullwell there's apt for rpm right?:)
[06:53] <linux_mafia> bob2, apart from a missing comma probably for simplification/seperation
[06:53] <bronson> KazeNoBokusha: don't listen to me!!!
[06:53] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: no, no one ever said that
[06:53] <eclipse> huh?
[06:53] <bob2> linux_mafia: yeah
[06:54] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: there should be a comma between "xp" and "k8", but it was still pretty clear
[06:54] <KazeNoBokusha> ok never mind
[06:54] <linux_mafia> bob2, i assume k7 == sempron too?
[06:54] <eclipse> man, i tried to install apt for suse 9.1 but it wouldn't
[06:54] <eclipse> dep. hell
[06:54] <bob2> linux_mafia: I don't know
[06:55] <bob2> I think sempron is the replacement for duron, so I guess so
[06:55] <tiagobugarin> hello all!
[06:55] <bob2> dep hell comes from idiots making packages
[06:55] <xskoulax> hi tiagobugarin
[06:55] <bob2> rpm could avoid it as well as Debian can
[06:55] <eclipse> bob2:i'm with u man
[06:55] <Pizbit> eclipse: Of course, nothing beats apt on a debian based system:)
[06:55] <eclipse> true
[06:56] <linux_mafia> bob2, hmmm, cause they have  a socket 754 sempron, and a socket 9something sempron too
[06:56] <eclipse> i tried to install mplayer for suse 9.1 and i almost went crazy trying to get it installed
[06:56] <linux_mafia> eclipse, packman packages?
[06:56] <bob2> linux_mafia: oh, sounds like 64-bit then?
[06:57] <eclipse> mafia: what;s that?
[06:57] <tiagobugarin> i have pluged a friends hd at my ide2 and i want to know how to have the system to scan it, detect it's bootable systems and configure grub. anyone? i have noticed that after a kernel instalation it do this things automagically
[06:58] <eclipse> by the way, anyone noticed that xmms on linux sounds better than winamp on windows?
[06:58] <sp0rk> i seem to have a problem with video playback in Totem, on ubuntu AMD64...specifically, i can't get a single video to play back..it's all black.  I've tried divx, xvid, various mpegs, wmvs, etc...all of these work in totem under gentoo so i know it's possible on an amd64 - any ideas?
[06:58] <sp0rk> eclipse, nope =P
[06:59] <linux_mafia> bob2, no i think they want people who get the top end sempron, there is only one socket 9xx sempron, too go "oh, i have the mobo to support a 64 bit chip, and this isn't fast to send an email, i may as well have a 64 bit"
[06:59] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, unless you use dee3 with winamp, i wish there were something similar for xmms or rhythmbox :(
[06:59] <bob2> haha
[06:59] <bob2> sp0rk: read the FAQ
[06:59] <eclipse> lol...reason y is i'm an audiophile guy and i do notice the diff.
[06:59] <bob2> sp0rk: install totem-xine
[06:59] <sp0rk> right-o
[06:59] <sp0rk> thanks.
[06:59] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, besides, they are just decoding the mp3 and outputting it to the speakers, if you don't enhance the sound, it should sound the same
[07:00] <sp0rk> eclipse, i do know that it's easier to max our certain channels under linux and get minor distortion
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> as in, exactly the same
[07:00] <Despair> KazeNoBokusha: drivers do different things
[07:00] <eclipse> i guess xmms has better decoders
[07:00] <Despair> mixer settings.
[07:00] <Despair> and yes, the mp3 decoders vary.
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> then it's not winamp or xmms, it's the kernel
[07:00] <eclipse> just like wmp sounds better than winamp
[07:00] <KazeNoBokusha> hmm, well i don't know then
[07:01] <sp0rk> eclipse, i think its qualitative on your end man =P
[07:01] <Despair> most musicians & audio programmers I know think libmad sounds better than most other mp3 decoders
[07:01] <KazeNoBokusha> i really wish there were a sound enhancer like dee3 on linux
[07:01] <Despair> for whatever that's worth. :)
[07:01] <eclipse> libmad?
[07:01] <eclipse> i can use that with xmms?
[07:01] <Despair> yeah. xmms-mad plugin
[07:03] <eclipse> Despair: r u running ubuntu?
[07:03] <Despair> yes
[07:04] <sp0rk> btw, i really dig ubuntu.  gj to all the devs
[07:04] <eclipse> like it?
[07:05] <Despair> it's got it's rough spots, but yes, I do.
[07:05] <eclipse> alright that's cool
[07:06] <eclipse> i used the beta like a few weeks ago but i didn't like that much cause it had some bugs
[07:07] <eclipse> can u use xfs filesystem on the current ubuntu?
[07:07] <sp0rk> it's a beta, eclipse, it's going to have some bugs =P
[07:07] <Despair> eclipse: I think I have xfstools installed. I installed ext3, going for least surprises.
[07:07] <jdub> eclipse: if you have to.
[07:07] <daniels> eclipse: yes, but if it's your root partition, the installer will freze
[07:08] <daniels> upstream grub/xfs bug
[07:08] <eclipse> that's what i heard too
[07:08] <eclipse> i have to run lilo if u want to use xfs
[07:08] <eclipse> i=u
[07:08] <eclipse> typo;)
[07:09] <Pizbit> *sigh* nvidia drivers still unstable with 2.6 ahh well, shit happens NvAgp=0 again
[07:09] <KazeNoBokusha> grr, linux crashes and windows doesn't.  i'm pretty sure by now that it is because of my video card, as what happens is the screen will go to sleep till i switch resolutions, and when it comes back, it is often all corrupted.
[07:09] <sp0rk> huh?  I run the nvidia drivers with a 2.6 kernel..
[07:10] <Pizbit> sp0rk: Mine locks up/reboots my machine when using the card extensively, such as watching tv
[07:10] <eclipse> kaze, what card do u have?
[07:10] <sp0rk> Pizbit, mine works perfectly well...weird.  That's on gentoo, though
[07:10] <sp0rk> i haven't tried them in ubuntu
[07:10] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, and All In Wonder Radeon...it's PCI, SDR SGRAM, with a Radeon 7200 chipset
[07:10] <Pizbit> sp0rk: This is debian-sarge/sid and ubuntu
[07:11] <Pizbit> Various 2.6.x kernels.
[07:11] <sp0rk> Though my card doesn't have TV-in, so if there's a bug there I wouldn't have to swat at it
[07:11] <eclipse> i know that they don't have good ati drivers for linux
[07:11] <Pizbit> I don't have that either.
[07:12] <eclipse> by the way, can u install nvidia driver onto ubuntu?
[07:12] <sp0rk> eclipse, sure, you might have to do it by hand, but its possible.
[07:12] <sp0rk> it *is* linux, after all
[07:12] <eclipse> try
[07:12] <bronson> eclipse: the answer is in the wiki.
[07:12] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, actually, i'm not using radeon drivers, ati provides them only for 8500 and up, i'm using built in X module, that's as far as my radeon specific support goes.
[07:13] <eclipse> i think nvidia driver works perfectly without hacking is when ur running rh, suse, or mandrake
[07:14] <eclipse> ok, have to tried to look up drivers online?
[07:14] <eclipse> kaze, u should try to look it up on google or something
[07:15] <jdub> the nvidia and ati drivers are available in ubuntu already
[07:15] <sp0rk> eclipse, since i was curious i looked it up myself: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=nvidia
[07:15] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, no, there are no drivers for a card old as mine, you see
[07:15] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, it's just what's built into X
[07:16] <eclipse> ol i c
[07:17] <xinel> well ive been reading the forums and i can't find an answer for my sound problem :(
[07:17] <eclipse> spork, but it's a hacked nvidia driver
[07:18] <sp0rk> "hacked" ?
[07:18] <eclipse> yes
[07:18] <eclipse> cause u can't install it if u d/l of nvidia.com
[07:19] <KazeNoBokusha> who are the three people in the ubuntu artwork?
[07:19] <sp0rk> so...whats wrong with it being adapted if it still works?
[07:20] <eclipse> just wanted to let u know
[07:20] <xinel> cannot get my sound card to work or my onboard sound
[07:21] <sp0rk> and i'm pretty sure you can install the driver right off of nvidia.com, it might not be easy, but you can do it.
[07:22] <sp0rk> i don't know what you would want to - it's always better to use the system's package manager to install stuff.
[07:22] <jdub> why do you want the non-ubuntu nvidia driver?
[07:22] <sp0rk> i don't.
[07:22] <KazeNoBokusha> yeah, why? ubuntu not good enough? you feel strange urges to use non-Free software? what's the matter with you?
[07:22] <KazeNoBokusha> lol
[07:23] <Despair> What's the work around for nvidia-settings crashing on amd64? Don't see that in the ubuntu wiki.
[07:23] <eclipse> oh, can u log in as root in ubuntu?
[07:24] <bob2> eclipse: yes, but not by default
[07:24] <sp0rk> Despair, anything you can set in nvidia-settings you can also manually set in /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:24] <Despair> but not on the fly
[07:24] <eclipse> XF86Config-4 to be exact
[07:24] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, yeah, the faq isn't very helpful either. for the question `how do i become root?' it just says use sudo and says nothing about enabling root
[07:24] <Despair> think you can do it with env vars, too, though.
[07:25] <cadam> hey all sorry for the incoming noob questions but I've never used a debian based distro before and have some questions before I take the dive
[07:25] <bob2> KazeNoBokusha: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:25] <jdub> eclipse: you can't log in as root, but you can get to a root shell with sudo -s (or just run things normally with sudo)
[07:25] <jdub> cadam: fire away, don't ask to ask ;)
[07:25] <eclipse> jdub: that sucks
[07:26] <cadam> how do you get the nvidia drivers to work out of the box? (I've only ever compiled my own each time)
[07:26] <jdub> eclipse: it's great!
[07:26] <eclipse> that's the reason y i tried ubuntu once and threw the burned cd away
[07:26] <jdub> eclipse: you mean, you couldn't figure out how to set root's password, so you gave up?
[07:26] <bob2> eclipse: that's stupid
[07:26] <KazeNoBokusha> bob2, i don't need it, i'm just saying the faq's not helpful when it's supposed to answer the question `How do I use the root account?'
[07:26] <bob2> eclipse: http://www.postgresql.org/news/231.html
[07:27] <cadam> I meant compiled my own kernel each time
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:27] <jdub> disabling root is rocking
[07:27] <bob2> cadam: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:27] <eclipse> everyone in here should try KANOTIX linux
[07:27] <bob2> is that Yet Another Knoppix CLone?
[07:27] <eclipse> i know that but why can't i log in as root?
[07:27] <Pizbit> You can.
[07:27] <cadam> oooo well that helps
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: because you didn't enable the root account
[07:27] <jdub> eclipse: by default? because we've set it up a better way so you don't have to. but you can change that if you can
[07:27] <opi> eclipse: because it's diabled
[07:27] <jdub> 't handle it.
[07:27] <bob2> eclipse: read the URL I just gave you
[07:28] <cadam> thanks
[07:28] <bob2> cadam: no need to compile anything!
[07:28] <eclipse> i own the damn system right so i should have the right 
[07:28] <bob2> eclipse: then enable it.
[07:28] <bob2> eclipse: everyone wins!
[07:28] <jdub> eclipse: erm, you do.
[07:28] <opi> eclipse: every heard about sudo?
[07:28] <opi> eclipse: you can even do sudo -s to get root shell
[07:28] <jdub> eclipse: perhaps asking questions before flaming would help.
[07:29] <eclipse> yeah, sudo -S apt-get
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: READ something, ok?
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: sudo -s
[07:29] <jdub> flaming is off-topic for this channel ;-)
[07:29] <bob2> unless it's of daniels 
[07:29] <eclipse> i prob. know more than u, opi
[07:29] <sp0rk> ouch.
[07:29] <opi> eclipse: oh, oh 
[07:29] <KazeNoBokusha> why does everyone say athalon?
[07:29] <sp0rk> this is getting ugly.
[07:29] <KazeNoBokusha> and spell it that way, to boot
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: if you know so mutch, stop asking stupid questions, ok?
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: start by reading FAQ and Wiki
[07:30] <bob2> eclipse: chill, dude
[07:30] <bronson> jdub: I instigated this very discussion last night...
[07:30] <sp0rk> just so you know, eclipse, the nvidia driver works PERFECTLY in ubuntu, "hacked" or not.
[07:30] <sp0rk> lol
[07:30] <eclipse> did i ask u?
[07:30] <bronson> jdub: I'm afraid we'll continue to see it until "WHY" no root login is answered in the faq...
[07:30] <opi> eclipse: and it's you not u, mister smart guy ;->
[07:30] <eclipse> that's what i thought
[07:30] <bob2> eclipse: please calm down.  if you want to login as root, you can; read the URL I gave  you.
[07:31] <bob2> bronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo has a "why".
[07:31] <eclipse> ever heard of shortcut?
[07:31] <eclipse> i guess ur too dump to figure that out 
[07:31] <sp0rk> too dump, indeed
[07:31] <bronson> bob2: I know.  But it needs to be in the FAQ.
[07:31] <cadam> how are the fonts?
[07:31] <opi> yeah
[07:31] <jdub> dudes
[07:31] <bob2> eclipse: can you stop being so aggressive and "dump"?
[07:31] <jdub> no more of this thanks
[07:31] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, yes, he's too dump
[07:31] <jdub> cadam: great
[07:32] <sp0rk> jdub, i think it's pretty entertaining, actually
[07:32] <KazeNoBokusha> i hate dump people, always going through my trash
[07:32] <bob2> jdub: ok to add a link from the faq to the "benfits" section of the wiki?
[07:32] <jdub> sp0rk: it's not appropriate for this channel
[07:32] <cadam> ok cool that's my main complaint in slackware
[07:32] <jdub> bob2: sure
[07:32] <jdub> bob2: we should probably shift that all to the website or something though
[07:32] <sp0rk> jdub, i agree, but still man...he called the guy "dump"
[07:32] <opi> sp0rk: ;->
[07:33] <bob2> jdub: hm, that sounds more like a non-bob2 job
[07:33] <eclipse> ok, i guess i gotta jet cuz these geeks r too stupid
[07:33] <sp0rk> sometimes you just gotta let them get all their adolecent aggression out and sit back and laugh
[07:33] <jdub> bob2: and non-jdub job ;)
[07:33] <KazeNoBokusha> eclipse, that or they're just having fun at your expense
[07:33] <jdub> dudes
[07:33] <jdub> however entertaining it might be
[07:33] <jdub> please don't encourage it
[07:33] <opi> yes, we know, we know
[07:33] <KazeNoBokusha> err, sorry
[07:34] <jdub> it only results in escalation, which is not what we want
[07:34] <opi> but if something starts from ,,I know more than u''
[07:34] <jdub> opi: no but.
[07:34] <opi> ok, sorry :)
[07:34] <cadam> ok just a question
[07:34] <sp0rk> i had a bad feeling about him the first minute i read something he typed
[07:34] <TheMuso> It could also result in the loss of one or more possible users of Ubuntu.
[07:34] <cadam> why include all the python stuff but not gcc?
[07:34] <jdub> cadam: gcc is supported, and on the cd, but not installed by default
[07:34] <bob2> cadam: it's on the CD, tho.
[07:34] <opi> cadam: Python is requred by few things
[07:35] <sp0rk> cadam, python is an interpreted language, some of the stuff installed by default requires a working installation of python
[07:35] <opi> cadam: while you don't need GCC if you're not going to compile anything
[07:35] <cadam> ah ok
[07:35] <sp0rk> python programs are a differnt beast than, say, a c program
[07:35] <cadam> makes sense
[07:35] <cadam> yeah I know I program in both
[07:35] <opi> lucky you :)
[07:35] <jdub> cadam: (it ends up being a policy issue -> many people would not want a compiler available on a default desktop install, etc.)
[07:35] <cadam> I was just wondering why all the python stuff by default
[07:36] <cadam> yeah
[07:36] <jdub> cadam: the python stuff is all there because we intend to make ubuntu live and breathe python :)
[07:36] <cadam> lol
[07:36] <Pizbit> mmmm python:)
[07:36] <cadam> python is good
[07:36] <opi> cadam: Im reading python docs atm ;)
[07:36] <Pizbit> There's python bindings for gnome2.8 isn't there?
[07:36] <jdub> Pizbit: yes, all there by default
[07:36] <sp0rk> Pizbit, yup
[07:36] <opi> Pizbit: GTK, you mean?
[07:36] <cadam> I actually just started programming python about a month ago
[07:36] <Pizbit> opi: Nah, gnome
[07:37] <opi> cadam: I have it on my TODO list, but my projects at work are killing me :(
[07:37] <cadam> any god-like books on python out there :)?
[07:37] <jdub> cadam: 'dive into python'
[07:37] <x4m> dive into python
[07:37] <opi> Pizbit: ok, Im not mutch into Gnome, so I asked
[07:37] <cadam> I have Learning Python and Python Cookbook
[07:37] <cadam> what's good in dive into python?
[07:37] <tritium> Are the "shipit" CDs already shipping?
[07:38] <bob2> tritium: no, they'll reach you in ~month
[07:38] <tritium> bob2: Great!
[07:39] <cadam> alright I'll install tomorrow
[07:39] <cadam> right now I'm going to sleep
[07:39] <cadam> thanks for all the help
[07:41] <WW> Hello world.
[07:41] <World> Hello WW
[07:41] <bob2> ubuntuised, WW?
[07:41] <WW> Quick question: how do I customize the Applications menu? (I know I can use Nautilus, I just forget the protocol.)
[07:41] <bob2> applicationsL///
[07:42] <bob2> er, : not L
[07:42] <Despair> jdub: same for twisted framework?
[07:42] <WW> bob2: Ah, that's it. Thanks.
[07:42] <bob2> twisted is installed by default?
[07:42] <bob2> hah.
[07:42] <WW> bob2: (clever name)
[07:42] <WW> bob2: applications, that is. And... what color was G.W.'s white horse?
[07:43] <bronson> bob2: hit ^L and type in applications/// ?
[07:43] <bronson> Didn't work for me.  (I'm using Spatial)
[07:43] <bob2> WW: brown?
[07:43] <bronson> got it.
[07:43] <bronson> Needs a colon.
[07:43] <Gmail> morin
[07:43] <bob2> hm, and it actually works
[07:43] <bob2> I've never actually used it
[07:44] <Gmail> ok so i should delete ./.g*? becuse i dont want my xchat setting to be lost (in case i dont stay with irssi)?
[07:44] <WW> Hmmm... It is "applications:///" with the quotes?
[07:45] <bob2> WW: no
[07:45] <bob2> ctrl-l applications:///<enter>
[07:45] <Gmail> WW: it should be applications:/
[07:45] <Gmail> there are to many // there
[07:45] <Gmail> well at lest in gnome 2.6 on debian
[07:46] <WW> It tells me applications is not a registered protocol.
[07:47] <bob2> it worked for me right now
[07:48] <bronson> WW: you're entering into Nautilus and not a web browser right?
[07:48] <Gmail> WW: install the package beging with mime*
[07:48] <Gmail> which should be mime-type-support mime-ubuntu ....
[07:49] <WW> bronson: I just figured that out...  (where's that icon that means "embarassed"...?)
[07:50] <bronson> Yeah, I needed that 20 minutes ago myself...
[07:50] <WW> By the way, pretty cool animation at NCSA (which is where you end up if you enter applications/ in Firefox)
[07:54] <Gmail> what does application:/// do it firefox
[07:55] <bob2> Gmail: it says "wow, that's not a valid url, let's google it."
[07:55] <Gmail> lol
[07:57] <Gmail> i did rm -r ./.g* and gnome STILL doesnt start
[07:57] <Gmail> is there any other old profile files that start with something other than g?
[07:59] <Gmail> filesafe gnome also doesnt start gnome
[08:00] <WW> I have a program (matlab) that I can run from the command line (with &) and it shows a graphics splash and then opens its own window.
[08:01] <WW> Never mind, I'll do some more reading and ask later...
[08:01] <bob2> Gmail: create a new user. can they login?
[08:02] <Gmail> i enabled root by sudo root passwd or was it sudo passwd root, and i cant use it to login using gdm. there is an option in gdm config to not allow root to login
[08:02] <bob2> don't login to gnome as root
[08:02] <bob2> just don't.
[08:02] <Gmail> is there a nobody user in ubuntu that i can use bob2?
[08:03] <bob2> what are you trying to do now?
[08:03] <bob2> if you're doing what I said, read it again
[08:03] <bob2> "create a new user"
[08:03] <Gmail> or does someone want to sorten up man add-user for me
[08:04] <bob2> "adduser id10t"
[08:04] <Gmail> bob2: why cant i use nobody it not like he has a profile
[08:04] <bob2> because that's not what the nobody user is for
[08:04] <Gmail> bob2: and i can change id10t to what ever i want
[08:05] <Gmail> well that what it was for in manbrake to login as anon-e-mouse
[08:07] <Gmail> ok i added test
[08:08] <Gmail> i loged in it using gdm, it goes to a bronish screen just like with my normal account
[08:09] <Gmail> btw with my normal user i cound login just it will goto a bronwish screen no bootsplash
[08:09] <Gmail> i can move my mouse
[08:09] <bob2> bootsplash has nothing to do with logging in
[08:09] <bob2> in fact, ubuntu doesn't have bootsplash at all
[08:09] <Gmail> yea yea
[08:09] <Gmail> 0_0
[08:10] <Pizbit> I think Gmail means a login splash
[08:10] <bob2> you're just confusing the issue by using incorrect jargon
[08:10] <bob2> Pizbit: I know
[08:10] <bob2> Gmail: how long do you want?
[08:10] <bob2> er, wait.
[08:10] <Gmail> the splah screen that shows when you login in gdm after 3 seconds
[08:11] <Gmail> it doesnt show at all in any of my users
[08:11] <bob2> yes, leave it for a few minutes.
[08:12] <Gmail> i am not on a p2 i am on a p4 2.8Ghc HT PRESCOT on debian it take 4 seconds to login AT MAX
[08:12] <cef_work> ok 'can't open dev/console' just after pivot-root on amd64... on the release iso
[08:12] <bob2> Gmail: just chill out and leave it for a few minutes.
[08:13] <Gmail> cef_work: i had the same problem with debian and a 2.6 kernel report a bug
[08:13] <bob2> Gmail: there's a bug with some sound cards where it can take a while.
[08:13] <cef_work> Gmail: is there are workaround? this is a new install
[08:13] <Gmail> hasnt it been a few min
[08:13] <cef_work> are = a
[08:14] <bob2> Gmail: just chill, you need to stop panicking so much.  let it sit for a while.
[08:14] <Gmail> cef_work: i installed from d-i alpha sid nightly 6-8 mounts ago
[08:14] <Gmail> cef_work: but it is a fixed bug now
[08:15] <cef_work> Gmail: in debian perhaps.. but this is ubuntu
[08:15] <Gmail> cef_work: maybe goto #debian-boot and tell them you are having the same problem as Gmail/GNU-Debian
[08:16] <Gmail> cef_work: ubuntu uses d-i
[08:16] <bob2> Gmail: are you on amd64?
[08:16] <Gmail> bob2: on p4
[08:16] <Daidoji> hello !
[08:16] <cef_work> bob2: I'm on amd64..
[08:16] <bob2> Gmail: then why do you think it's the same problem?
[08:16] <Gmail> i had the same error message
[08:16] <WW> In a terminal, the environment variable DISPLAY is :0.0.  Will DISPLAY be defined for a program run from a launcher in the Applications Menu?
[08:16] <bob2> cef_work: yeah.  mithrandir or Kamion are the people to bug, but both are asleep atm...
[08:16] <Gmail> they told me it goto do with / before dev/console
[08:16] <bob2> WW: yes.
[08:17] <WW> bob2: OK, thanks.
[08:17] <Gmail> cef_work: you are sure it doesnt show /dev/console and only shows dev/console ?
[08:18] <Gmail> dev/console should be /dev/console giving you the whole error
[08:19] <Gmail> bob2: btw the error he is having is not a hardware related
[08:19] <L3th3M_> hi o all!
[08:19] <Daidoji> *(could someone help me about an internet connection pb with ubuntu please ^^ ?)
[08:19] <Gmail> gnome still hasnt loaded
[08:19] <Daidoji> hi L3th3M_
[08:19] <L3th3M_> I have a bug!
[08:19] <L3th3M_> on my ubuntu fist time-installed
[08:19] <Gmail> L3th3M_: report it to bugzilla
[08:20] <bob2> L3th3M_: what's the problem?
[08:20] <L3th3M_> where?
[08:20] <bronson> Daidoji: why not just ask?
[08:20] <Gmail> L3th3M_: first say it here
[08:20] <Gmail> Daidoji: you use PPPoE? then use pppoeconf
[08:21] <bob2> Daidoji: what's the problem?
[08:21] <Daidoji> bronson : don't want ennoye everyone :P. I have a sagem fast 800 usb modem, and couldn't find how i could use it on my ubuntu
[08:21] <L3th3M_> when I want open any configuration tools (so synaptic, network, etc)...
[08:21] <L3th3M_> the system ask me the root password
[08:21] <bob2> Daidoji: does it use the eagle drivers?
[08:21] <L3th3M_> I give it
[08:21] <Pizbit> Hrm, *much* impoved 'open with' :)
[08:21] <bob2> L3th3M_: no it doesn't, it asks for *your* password
[08:21] <L3th3M_> but It say me that the password i wrong
[08:21] <bob2> L3th3M_: it's not a bug, it's a feature
[08:21] <bronson> Daidoji: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html
[08:21] <L3th3M_> but
[08:22] <Daidoji> erf... it's the first time for me to use really a gnome desktop, and i am afraid i am lose in it :( ... Eagle driver ?
[08:22] <L3th3M_> If I open configuration tool by terminal
[08:22] <bob2> Daidoji: have you used linux before?
[08:22] <L3th3M_> it ask me the password root, I give it, and don be problem
[08:22] <Gmail> bob2: it cound be a bug it he is login in as root i saw it since 2.4 but it just a gksu problem
[08:22] <Daidoji> bob2 : yes, a little. below average user i 'll say.
[08:22] <bronson> Daidoji: click on the link.  Hope you can read French.  ;)
[08:22] <bob2> L3th3M_: what do you mean, "by terminal"?
[08:22] <Daidoji> bronson : thank for the link, i'll see it:)
[08:23] <bob2> L3th3M_: anyway, when you run synaptic from the menu, it asks for your password, not root's.
[08:23] <L3th3M_> oh....
[08:23] <Daidoji> bronson : i am french, so no pb :)
[08:23] <L3th3M_> yes
[08:23] <bronson> Daidoji: looks like the Eagle driver is included in 2.6.
[08:23] <L3th3M_> I chilean
[08:23] <bob2> Daidoji: I belive ubuntu includes the drivers you need...
[08:23] <Gmail> L3th3M_: chilean?
[08:23] <bob2> Daidoji: hrm, maybe not.
[08:24] <Daidoji> on the device panel, i see my modem
[08:24] <L3th3M_> I most write user password for the system opening the synaptic
[08:24] <Daidoji> but on 'new connection' no usb device access :(
[08:24] <bob2> L3th3M_: yes.
[08:24] <bob2> Daidoji: have you tried running the "pppoeconf" program in a terminal?
[08:24] <Gmail> bob2: gnome ******STILL******* hasnt started
[08:25] <bob2> Gmail: chill, dude, you don't need to panic
[08:25] <Gmail> should i modconf the driver for my sound?
[08:25] <Daidoji> bob2 : no, because i've no seen the /dev/usb thing ^^;;... but i'll try asap. (re-run my comp, see you later. Thanks :) )
[08:25] <Gmail> then restart x
[08:26] <Gmail> wtf ubuntu doesnt have modconf???????????
[08:26] <Gmail> i tried apt-get ing it
[08:26] <bob2> Gmail: dude, really, calm down
[08:27] <bob2> Gmail: modconf is broken, but in universe.
[08:27] <Gmail> i am calm
[08:27] <bob2> it may work for you.
[08:27] <bob2> you're not acting calm.
[08:27] <bob2> yes, I'm australian too, but you're unlike any other australian I've ever spoken to
[08:27] <bob2> so, chill out.
[08:27] <bob2> is your sound working?
[08:28] <Gmail> bob2: australia is mad up of wirod people i am one of them
[08:28] <The_Bell> hi
[08:28] <Gmail> bob2: no i need to modconf the driver
[08:28] <bob2> no, it's not made up of "wirod" people at all.
[08:28] <Gmail> so univ... i must get it from/
[08:28] <bob2> no, you don't need modconf.
[08:29] <bob2> why do you think your sound isn't working?
[08:29] <angad> Hey guys, I am a very inexperienced linux user, and I need help with my sound properties.  FOr some reason, I cannot seem to modify my bass/treble settings in volume control.  Everytime I move the bars up/down, nothing happens.  What could be causing this?
[08:29] <bob2> are you sure your sound driver supports that?
[08:29] <Gmail> bob2: yes the house next door the people in there NEVER ware cothes if that not wirod then WTF
[08:30] <cef_work> aha, it's not putting the 3ware driver in the initrd
[08:30] <angad> Hi bob, I think so.  I have soundblaster with a surround system.
[08:30] <daniels> Gmail: if you're calm and rational, it's a lot easier to find help
[08:30] <Gmail> bob2: because i havent modconf the driver yet
[08:30] <cef_work> anyone here manually inserted stuff into the initrd during an install?
[08:30] <bob2> Gmail: no, how do you know it isn't working?
[08:30] <cef_work> daniels: afternoon
[08:30] <Gmail> no distro ever has deteched my sound driver
[08:30] <daniels> cef_work: hey dude
[08:31] <angad> cef, were you talking to me?
[08:31] <bob2> cef_work: if you jump to the console (alt-f2) and modprobe it, it should get stuck in the initrd
[08:31] <bob2> er, during the install
[08:31] <bob2> Gmail: what driver does it use?
[08:31] <Gmail> bob2: ubuntu is going to be the first distro to detech it
[08:31] <cef_work> daniels: trying to install a dual-opteron system atm
[08:31] <Gmail> bob2: wirod one that i can remember is i cound use modconf
[08:32] <Pizbit> Anyone know if there's a way to recursively apply a background to the nautilus windows?
[08:32] <Gmail> i = if
[08:32] <bob2> daniels: cef_work btw, did that guy with the the little embedded machines organise a group order?
[08:32] <Gmail> Pizbit: goto prefrences
[08:32] <cef_work> bob2: well the driver is loaded and was loaded last time. it's not in the initrd, otherwise it wouldn't complain that it can't pivot-root and therefore couldn't open dev/console
[08:32] <Android16> Hahaha
[08:32] <Pizbit> Gmail: I don't want it for all directories, just recusively for the ones I choose.
[08:32] <Android16> kewl
[08:32] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:33] <Android16> my server been hacked
[08:33] <cef_work> angad: nope
[08:33] <bob2> cef_work: hm, I guess I'm wrong, I thought it picked it up automatically
[08:33] <Android16> www.cyberwizards.co.za
[08:33] <cef_work> bob2: it SHOULD.. the problem is, it doesn't seem to be working
[08:33] <Gmail> cef_work: it should be /dev/console and not dev/console
[08:33] <bob2> cef_work: ah, sorry for wasting your time :)
[08:33] <cef_work> Gmail: when your cwd is /, it makes no difference
[08:33] <Gmail> cef_work: just goto #debian-boot and tell them that you have the same problem i had
[08:33] <Android16> never thought my server would be important enough to be hacked
[08:34] <Gmail> cef_work: well that not what #debian-boot told me
[08:34] <cef_work> Gmail: this IS that issue.. this is WHY..
[08:34] <joem> Android16: at least you got a polite note
[08:34] <Android16> yep
[08:34] <Android16> was quite surprised this morning
[08:34] <Android16> like the picture
[08:35] <joem> I doubt it was anything but a bot that did it
[08:35] <cef_work> Gmail: dev/console (or /dev/console) can't be opened cos pivot-root failed. ie: there is no /dev directory to switch the console to
[08:35] <Gmail> cef_work: there is a way of fixinf it that #debian-boot told me BUT they said it was a hell of alot easier to reinstall with a newer version of d-i
[08:35] <Gmail> cef_work: excatly
[08:35] <bob2> Gmail: dude, he's using ubuntu
[08:35] <bob2> Gmail: there is no newer version to use
[08:35] <cef_work> Gmail: there is also a way to fix it in the install process
[08:36] <Gmail> bob2: ubuntu uses d-i
[08:36] <Gmail> cef_work: and #debian-boot know howto and Kamion isnt here to help you
[08:36] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:36] <bob2> Gmail: yes, I know that, but how does it help? he can't switch to a "newer version of d-i", since there isn't one.
[08:37] <cef_work> Gmail: and since I'm using the release version, I'd like to know so I can add it to the FAQ and stop anyone else asking
[08:37] <cef_work> Gmail: and I'm QUITE aware of the how behind d-i.. i've just forgotten how to manually install modules into the initrd during the install process
[08:37] <Gmail> bob2: i know but #debian-boot said there is a way of fixing it but its a lot harder than just reinatlling using kernel 2.6 which was in a later d-i
[08:38] <bob2> Gmail: he's using 2.6
[08:38] <cef_work> Gmail: and if I go ito debian-boot and ASK a q, and they ask 'are you using ubuntu' and I say yes, they'll say 'fuck off, this is #debian-boot not #ubuntu-boot - get ubuntu people to do your support
[08:39] <Gmail> but #debian-boot told me howto manuily do it and install module to interd during install...
[08:39] <cef_work> Gmail: it's like going into #debian and asking Knoppix questions - just say no!
[08:40] <Gmail> cef_work: but its a d-i question
[08:40] <Gmail> d-i is not u-i or something like that
[08:41] <Gmail> if you want d-i help #debian-boot can help you but if you ubuntu help only #ubuntu and ##inux will help ya
[08:41] <daniels> bob2: i dunno
[08:41] <bob2> haha ##linux
[08:41] <Gmail> ##linux helped me
[08:42] <Gmail> it like #gnome on irc.gimpnet.org helping you for gnome even thou you are using ubuntu
[08:42] <bob2> yes, but you've just said it's an ubuntu-specific problem
[08:43] <Gmail> IT not a ubuntu problem
[08:43] <Gmail> its a d-i problem 
[08:43] <Gmail> so if you want help on d-i goto #debian-boot
[08:43] <bob2> *sigh*, whatever
[08:43] <angad> I have two sound tabs, TriTech TR28602 (OSS Mixer), and Soundblaster Live! (Alsa Mixer).  The bass/treble settings are not having any effect on my sound.  And i don't think I have two soundcards.  What could be causing this?
[08:44] <Treenaks> the fact that there's an OSS emulation layer for ALSA?
[08:44] <Gmail> angad: did you already ask this yesterday? or was it someone else
[08:44] <angad> Gmail, this is my first day on linux
[08:44] <Gmail> maybe add it to the FAQ
[08:44] <Treenaks> the mixer tries both, and can't "see" it's an emulated mixer
[08:44] <Gmail> 0_0
[08:44] <angad> Treenaks, what do I do sabout that?
[08:45] <Daidoji> re
[08:45] <Treenaks> angad: file a bug
[08:45] <Daidoji> pppoeconf is for ethernet, my pb is with an usb modem :P
[08:45] <Gmail> angad: i hope you where on BSD before
[08:45] <angad> thanks Treenak
[08:45] <angad> gmail, I was on windows until today
[08:45] <Gmail> hey Treenaks 
[08:45] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh.. USB modem modem or USB ADSL or Cable modem-thing
[08:45] <Dashiva> angad, it's normal, the oss (tritech) mixer is linked to the Audigy (alsa) mixer for compatibility with older apps
[08:45] <Gmail> angad: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK winblows
[08:45] <Treenaks> hi gmail
[08:45] <angad> haha, amen gmail
[08:46] <Treenaks> angad: well, reporting bugs will get them fixed here, unlike the Windows case :)
[08:46] <bob2> Gmail: chill out, please.
[08:46] <angad> haha, great treenaks.  I'll get to it right away
[08:46] <daniels> Gmail: please try to be constructive, less distracting, and lose the caps.  thanks.
[08:46] <Gmail> ok gnome still hasnt started and its *30min* already
[08:46] <Daidoji> Treenaks : ok. But pppoeconf found only an eth0 (i have an ethernet card, so ok), but nothing from the modem usb :(
[08:46] <Dashiva> so if you change something one it should change in the other
[08:46] <Treenaks> Daidoji: what kind of USB modem is it? ADSL? cable? dial-in?
[08:47] <Treenaks> Gmail: what's happening?
[08:47] <Daidoji> Treenaks : F@st sagem 800, usb modem ADSL (in France)
[08:47] <xskoulax> BSOD - Black Screen of Doh!
[08:47] <Gmail> Treenaks: gnome doesnt start i added another user and tried to login but it just goes to a brownish screen (the bg) and i wait
[08:48] <Treenaks> Daidoji: there probably isn't a driver included in Ubuntu
[08:48] <Treenaks> Gmail: what does 'ps auxwww' tell you?
[08:48] <Treenaks> Gmail: and top?
[08:48] <Gmail> Daidoji: get a new ethernet modem
[08:48] <Daidoji> Treenaks : erf... when i search for 'eagle' string, i found a .ko on a subfolder of the usb driver. perhaps i must copypaste it on the upfolder ?
[08:48] <bob2> Gmail: if you can't be helpful, please be quiet.
[08:48] <Daidoji> Gmail : i can't :-
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: it should load automatically
[08:49] <Gmail> ERROR: configlet format options
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: what do you mean with "on a subfolder of the usb driver"? where exactly did you look?
[08:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: can i pm you a /exec -o ps auxwww for you to get the whole thing
[08:49] <Treenaks> Daidoji: /lib/modules/ ?
[08:49] <Treenaks> Gmail: noo!!
[08:49] <Daidoji> Treenaks : i looked for a eagle-start, or eagle-conf, but found nothing with 'eagle' that is link to usb or bin (a part the .ko)
[08:50] <Daidoji> Treenaks : yes
[08:50] <Gmail> Treenaks: okay
[08:50] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh.. if the driver is supported, it should have loaded automatically.
[08:50] <Treenaks> Daidoji: does USB work at all?
[08:50] <Gmail> ygnome: i have a p4 2.8GHz PRESCOTT HT 1mb cache
[08:50] <bronson> Daidoji: Did you browse around the wiki on that link I sent you?
[08:51] <bronson> There was a ton of good stuff on there.
[08:51] <Daidoji> Treenaks : erf... yes my mouse and keyboard works well. the indicator on my modem are on standby (wait for soft init)
[08:51] <bronson> It looks like a fairly mature project.
[08:51] <Daidoji> bronson : yes.
[08:51] <Gmail> Treenaks == helpful and caring
[08:51] <Gmail> Treenaks == helpful caring and always VERY busy
[08:51] <cef_work> bob2: seems that the installer doesn't realise that 3w-9xxx is a scsi block device module, so doesn't add it to the initrd (assuming the initrd is dynamically created, which for some reason may not be the case)
[08:51] <Daidoji> bronson : but like i forgot to wrote it on something, could you please regive it to me ? ^^;;
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: if you do ps auxwww, you see processes under your user name
[08:52] <Gmail> cef_work: do you have pata emalation terned on??
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: you can /exec -o ps auxwww | grep yourusername :)
[08:52] <Treenaks> Gmail: privately :)
[08:52] <cef_work> Gmail: no
[08:52] <cef_work> Gmail: and I have no intention of turning it on
[08:53] <bronson> Daidoji: sure.  But I found another one first.  :)
[08:53] <bronson> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/bueagle.html
[08:53] <Daidoji> bronson : i look at it, thanks :)
[08:53] <bronson> Here's the first link.  http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html
[08:53] <bob2> cef_work: ahh
[08:54] <bronson> Daidoji: make sure to click on the link in the third comment.
[08:54] <cef_work> bob2: so I'm guessing either it's the kernel image, or simply a config file in the installer
[08:54] <Daidoji> bronson : oki, thanks :)
[08:54] <duke|ib> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507 <-- how would i apply this patch? :E
[08:55] <WW> Another quickie: The Computer menu can't be edited, correct?
[08:55] <jdub> correct
[08:56] <WW> jdub: Thanks.
[08:56] <Daidoji> in fact, i must reinstall the eagle driver then :S. but why is it a eagle.ko in a subfolder of the usb driver then ? Oo
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: Is it an ADSL modem?  Would the eagle-adsl-tools package be relevant?
[08:57] <Daidoji> bronson : yes, mine is a adsl usb modem, and one supported by the eagle driver. in fact i remember i was forced to install it on the mandrake 10 also...
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: reinstall the driver?  Why?
[08:57] <bronson> Daidoji: That's a rather large can of worms to open...
[08:57] <bob2> duke|ib: what bug is that for?
[08:58] <duke|ib> bob2: ibook not properly waking after sleep
[08:58] <duke|ib> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[08:58] <Daidoji> bronson : like i have a eagle.ko already on, but see nowhere the modem in access, i think i must install the eagle driver in complete form, so re-install it 
[08:58] <bob2> duke|ib: which bug number?
[08:58] <duke|ib> bob2: ^^^
[08:59] <Daidoji> i'll try the eagle driver source :). I have another question too :P
[08:59] <bronson> Daidoji: Unless the kernel driver is really old, I doubt it...
[09:00] <bronson> What happens when you run eagleconfig and startadsl?
[09:00] <Daidoji> to mount another partitions (ntfs, fat32) : always pass by mount ? no automatic system on ubuntu ?
[09:00] <Daidoji> bronson : i don't have eagleconfig nor startadsl on the system
[09:01] <bronson> apt-get install eagle-adsl-tools
[09:01] <Daidoji> ...
[09:01] <bronson> (or use Synaptic to install that package)
[09:01] <Daidoji> it's not in the synaptic package (already look for one 'eagle' on it)
[09:02] <duke|ib> it's there for me
[09:02] <Daidoji> :(
[09:02] <duke|ib> are you using universe?
[09:02] <Daidoji> universe ?
[09:02] <duke|ib> heh :x
[09:02] <Daidoji> (i don't have acces to web)
[09:03] <Pizbit> Daidoji: That big thing you live in *grin*
[09:03] <bronson> Uh oh.
[09:03] <Daidoji> (for web access like now, i back to winxp)
[09:03] <duke|ib> i don't know the traditional way of doing this
[09:03] <Daidoji> Pizbit : lol.
[09:03] <bronson> I sense a catch-22 here.
[09:03] <duke|ib> heh, nevermind then
[09:03] <Pizbit> duke|ib: Usually it's go to the ftp and download the deb and make it accessable locally
[09:03] <duke|ib> always a good method
[09:03] <Gmail> Treenaks: gnome still doesnt start
[09:04] <Daidoji> ok, i just get the eagle driver source, i back to ubuntu to install it :). if all is okay, see you under ubuntu ;)
[09:05] <Gmail> Treenaks: pm ya? with the same comand?
[09:06] <dle> On http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ the live CD is 'warty-rc-live-i386.iso'.  Is that still the release candidate version?
[09:06] <duke|ib> i need a better airport connection :(
[09:06] <duke|ib> --- Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net : 31.82 second(s)
[09:06] <duke|ib> \o/
[09:06] <bob2> dle: yes, it's not released yet
[09:06] <dle> bob2: thanks.
[09:06] <dle> bob2: Any idea of a timeline?
[09:07] <bob2> dle: I don't know, sorry
[09:07] <bob2> duke|ib: easiest way is to rebuild pbbuttonsd, I guess
[09:07] <duke|ib> bob2: mmkay, thanks
[09:07] <duke|ib> i hope that fix makes it into the final, heh
[09:08] <bob2> final is released
[09:08] <duke|ib> well then
[09:08] <bob2> I think that bug is being delayed because of pitti's comment, too
[09:08] <duke|ib> which comment?
[09:08] <bob2> the last one
[09:09] <bob2> martin's ibook is a g4 like mine
[09:09] <bob2> and I'm 99.999% certain suspend doesn't work at all on them
[09:09] <duke|ib> heh, i'm on an ibook g3/700
[09:09] <bob2> yeah, you're lucky :)
[09:09] <duke|ib> it still doesn't wake :E
[09:09] <bob2> hm, it should
[09:09] <bob2> does it under Debian?
[09:10] <duke|ib> haven't tried
[09:10] <duke|ib> it takes a bit of convincing to suspend, too
[09:10] <duke|ib> i have to close the lid twice, once if i'm lucky for it to sleep
[09:10] <duke|ib> and then it stalls on wake at the exact same spot that's described in the bug
[09:11] <duke|ib> machine  : PowerBook4,3
[09:11] <duke|ib> motherboard : PowerBook4,3 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh
[09:11] <duke|ib> detected as : 257 (iBook 2 rev. 2
[09:11] <calc> Keybuk: agreed wrt testing being braindamaged, it has many other flaws other than the dd's not running it as well ;)
[09:11] <srbaker> yo
[09:11] <srbaker> anyone here that had the same problem as i did with ubuntu on a toshiba lappy?
[09:12] <srbaker> it was *really* slow
[09:13] <Treenaks> srbaker: I've heard about that using plain Debian on an old Satellite
[09:13] <srbaker> Treenaks, ahh.  well, i seem to have fixed it by doing "acpi=force" on the kernel cmd line
[09:13] <LeeColleton> srbaker: there's an IRQ conflict between the modem and the mouse.. I think
[09:13] <Daidoji> me again
[09:13] <srbaker> acpi is disabled by default on pre-1999 bioses, but toshiba lappies have had acpi since (i think) 1997 or 98\
[09:14] <Daidoji> ... i have a big pb now : no c compilator on the $PATH ^^;;
[09:14] <Treenaks> srbaker: cool
[09:14] <LeeColleton> I've got a 2100CDT that was really buggy until I switched the modems IRQ
[09:14] <Treenaks> Daidoji: do you need a C compiler? you just said the driver is included in /lib/modules
[09:14] <bob2> srbaker: it's a kernel issue, since most acpi bioses before then are unusably buggy.
[09:14] <Daidoji> Treenaks : i have downloaded the source of eagles drivers (with tools).
[09:14] <calc> srbaker: it seems on 2.6.9 you can enable acpi for all devices, it has a settable year option
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, yeah, understood.  but it took me a little while to figure it out.
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, it was a problem that was only biting me sometimes on debian install, and sometimes on fedora.  but all the time on ubuntu
[09:15] <srbaker> bob2, weirdness.
[09:15] <Treenaks> Daidoji: you should always try packages first
[09:15] <bob2> srbaker: ahh
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: sudo apt-get install eagle-adsl-data eagle-adsl-tools
[09:16] <Daidoji> Treenaks : but i have only the adsltools packages for debian. i know that ubuntu is based on debian... dos it work ?
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: apt-cache search eagle
[09:16] <Treenaks> Daidoji: that gave me these package names
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: aeagle-adsl-data contains the firmware the eagle driver need, and the eagle driver is there ()
[09:17] <Daidoji> Treenaks : like i have said : i don't have the package ! my web acces is only under winxp...
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: well, download the packages from archive.ubuntu.com in XP, burn them to CD (or something..)
[09:17] <Daidoji> oki, i do that :)
[09:17] <Treenaks> Daidoji: then "dpkg -i thefile1.deb thefile2.deb"
[09:18] <Treenaks> Daidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works
[09:18] <Daidoji> erf... does exist something to search on the archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:19] <Daidoji> found it !
[09:19] <Daidoji> Thanks :)
[09:19] <Elw0od> hi all
[09:20] <Elw0od> now i am am here to answer and not to ask!
[09:20] <Elw0od> everythings works fine
[09:33] <atariboy> Is 'JohnHornbeck' around?
[09:34] <bob2> you can see that for yourself
[09:34] <atariboy> he may use a dif nick
[09:34] <atariboy> I saw his name on the wiki
[09:36] <|trey|> Elw0od: yay, congrats... software is less fun when it works though  :(  :P
[09:36] <plovs_work> JohnHornbeck is hornbeck on irc
[09:36] <mrjive> hi *
[09:37] <atariboy> ta plovs_work  
[09:37] <Elw0od> |trey|,  depends on what fun :)
[09:43] <opi> *yawn*
[09:43] <opi> :)
[09:44] <cef_work> Kamion: you awake yet?
[09:47] <tux> whats the link to get to ubuntt's archives ?
[09:47] <tux> *ubuntu
[09:47] <opi> archives.ubuntu.com?
[09:47] <tux> i tried that
[09:47] <tux> let me check again
[09:47] <opi> see Wiki
[09:48] <opi> tux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
 Daidoji: and then reboot, and see if it works
[09:49] <DjGeRo> why reboot? :)
[09:49] <tux> opi : i see the wiki
[09:49] <dyn> morning, guys :)
[09:49] <tux> that gives a list, is there a search facility for the database
[09:50] <opi> like packages.debian.org?
[09:50] <tux> kinda
[09:50] <opi> if you're using Ubuntu, you could just apt-cache search
[09:50] <tux> well not on ubuntu at the mo
[09:50] <tux> have to copy so needed lib files over
[09:50] <tux> :/
[09:50] <opi> I don't renember URL ;/
[09:51] <tux> yeah somone quickly gave me a xmms link earlier, very helpful
[09:51] <tux> but need some dependencies :)
[09:51] <cef_work> ok, later ppl
[09:51] <opi> I can get a lib for you, tux :)
[09:51] <Treenaks> DjGeRo: because the driver needs loading, and it's easier to reboot
[09:51] <opi> tux: just name it
[09:51] <tux> libgtk1.2 i think
[09:52] <DjGeRo> Treenaks: mmkay, that's also a way to see it :P
[09:52] <tux> xmms required it
[09:52] <tux> even though i had later installed ; go figure ;)
[09:52] <Treenaks> DjGeRo: (I mean.. I could explain module loading, etc etc.)
[09:52] <DjGeRo> ;)
[09:52] <opi> root->/var/cache/apt/archives->ls *gtk*
[09:52] <opi> libgtk1.2_1.2.10-17_i386.deb  libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-17_all.deb
[09:53] <opi> tux: give me your e-mail ;)
[09:53] <tux> etarkoo@gmail.com :)
[09:53] <tux> cheers
[09:53] <tux> need to get my wifi card set up this afternoon
[09:54] <tux> laptop has no RF-45 and modem dont work :)
[09:54] <opi> tux: hehe, ok
[09:55] <WW> plovs: ?
[09:55] <WW> plovs_work: Same as plovs?
[09:58] <tux> opi : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[09:59] <tux> whats the diff. between universe and multiverse ?
[09:59] <WW> tux: Stuff in multiverse is "non-free"
[10:00] <tux> um.. pay ??
[10:00] <WW> tux: I don't know all the details, but basically stuff that has different or stricter licensing than GPL.
[10:01] <tux> ok
[10:01] <WW> tux: There is a question about it in the Ubuntu FAQ.
[10:01] <opi> tux: no, not Open Source
[10:01] <opi> tux: closed, binary stuff
[10:02] <tux> thats weird, when i updated nmap thru universe thru apt-get on the pc , it was ver. 3.50
[10:02] <tux> shit i meant to say 3.70
[10:02] <Treenaks> opi: also stuff with source available, but too restrictively licensed
[10:02] <opi> yes, 
[10:02] <tux> the universe site has onlt 3.50
[10:02] <smo> one of those times where "free software" vs "open source" actually starts to make sense ;o)
[10:03] <tux> disregard that last statement, i got it off debian site, i just remembered - duh!
[10:03] <opi> hehe
[10:03] <opi> please, don't mix Ubuntu and Debain
[10:03] <opi> it can cause hangover from morning ;)
[10:03] <tux> well i needed the lastest nmap to scan my network :)
[10:03] <tux> i got that mail, cheers opi
[10:03] <opi> tux: you're welcome
[10:03] <Treenaks> tux: why? the old one was not good enough?
[10:04] <tux> well the ver. 3.70 has more sigs for identifying systems and its a hell of alot quicker
[10:04] <opi> could anyone reslove one domain for me?
[10:05] <opi> Im not sure if it's allready accessible around the world
[10:06] <opi> it's oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl, please tell me a IP :)
[10:06] <smo> oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl has address 195.69.82.35
[10:06] <opi> good
[10:07] <opi> thanks, smo
[10:07] <smo> glad to hear it
[10:07] <opi> now I can bug my ISP to put good revDNS on my server :)
[10:08] <tux> i need to add kernel source before i can try a generic deb conexant driver
[10:08] <tux> i just want to check before i go get it, but normally i would do..
[10:08] <tux> apt-get install source ?
[10:09] <opi> yes
[10:09] <tux> cool
[10:09] <opi> kernel-sourcec-number
[10:09] <smo> apt-get source package, if memory serves
[10:09] <gelfling> heylo people ^_^
[10:09] <smo> unless I'm reading the question wrong :/   (it's 4am here)
[10:09] <enntee> man
[10:09] <tux> ill go look for it on the web, burn it to a cd 
[10:09] <enntee> this channel is a hell of a lot more friendly than #debian
[10:09] <opi> It's Ubuntu spirit :)
[10:09] <enntee> no offense to them.
[10:09] <tux> maybe its because its starting off
[10:10] <enntee> could be
[10:10] <tux> but hey i noticed that too, a bit too touchy in there
[10:10] <tux> i dont bother going in anymore
[10:10] <enntee> yeah, can be very frustrating
[10:10] <tux> maybe it was the debian hack
[10:10] <tux> unsettling :P
[10:10] <enntee> ?
[10:10] <enntee> never heard about it.
[10:10] <tux> ah was a good while ago now
[10:11] <enntee> the irc channel or the servers?
[10:11] <enntee> i remember when the servers were compromised
[10:11] <opi> we just could say STFU, n00b and RT*F*M, google.com and don't bug us while we're discussing new p0rn ;-))
[10:11] <Daidoji> re-hello again :)
[10:11] <tux> http://www.debian.org/News/2003/20031202
[10:11] <Daidoji> and this time, from ubuntu, youhou :D
[10:11] <bob2> yay!
[10:11] <bob2> congrats.
[10:11] <opi> I need to fill this bug, as Matt asked
[10:12] <Daidoji> :)
[10:12] <opi> I kinda dislike Bugzilla ;)
[10:12] <enntee> so is ubuntu planning on having "newish" packages available for brave and/or stupid people to try inbetween releases?
[10:12] <enntee> actually, don't answer that
[10:12] <enntee> i should check the faq first
[10:13] <Daidoji> for information, i install gcc by apt-get (bizarre, it's not installed by default), and compil the eagle driver source :). Oh, and another thing : eagle-adsl-tools is a modeling hardware adsl utilitie :)
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: it's not bizarre :)
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: we've disscussed this issue an hour ago
[10:13] <opi> Daidoji: most people don't care about compiling C/C++ stuff 
[10:13] <gilles> hi kamion and others
[10:14] <Daidoji> opi : arf, oki :). so that's the reason. why not :P
[10:14] <Daidoji> hi gilles
[10:14] <opi> Daidoji: OTOH, Ubuntu has full Python, because apps in Ubuntu req. it :)
[10:14] <Daidoji> opi : yeah, i've seen that during installation.
[10:14] <bob2> 3/win33
[10:14] <WW> Daidoji: See #20 under Support: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[10:14] <Daidoji> ww: i go see.
[10:15] <gilles> anyone find partitions detection problem like me ?
[10:15] <tux> hmm i can only find  kernel-source-2.6.7/ under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/
[10:15] <smo> tux: You're looking for linux-[source|image|modules] , not kernel-
[10:15] <plovs_work> WW, yes, hi!
[10:15] <crimsun> tux: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:16] <opi> emil->~->apt-cache search kernel-source | wc -l
[10:16] <opi> 19
[10:16] <tux> ok cheers :))
[10:16] <WW> plovs_work: Hi there.  
[10:16] <tux> im not on ubuntu at the mo :)
[10:16] <opi> tux: 2.6.7 it's from Debian
[10:16] <Daidoji> hmm, i am wondering something : does exist something for ubuntu like an automount ?
[10:16] <plovs_work> WW, sorry I deleted your page, I put it back
[10:16] <plovs_work> WW, too much enthousiasm
[10:16] <opi> Daidoji: I think kernel supports automount
[10:17] <Daidoji> opi : in that case, why don't i see my other partition ?
[10:17] <WW> plovs_work: Like I said on the page, no problem at all.  I was just messing around when I made it.  I wasn't sure if I would make a "real" personal page.
[10:17] <tux> just to confirm, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16_all.deb is what i need ?
[10:17] <opi> tux: da :}
[10:17] <tux> cool
[10:17] <opi> Daidoji: hmm, I have no idea
[10:18] <Kamion> cef: yep?
[10:18] <opi> Daidoji: atm my Linuxbox has only one disk, so I didn't check it, I just assumed it's there
[10:18] <fsc> hmm...wonder why gstreamer has been borked for so long
[10:18] <Daidoji> opi : oki. me, i don't see nor my 2 Fat32 partition, nor my 3 other ntfs partition :(
[10:19] <stvn> hi
[10:19] <opi> Daidoji: mkdir /tmp/d; mount /dev/hdxy /tmp/d ;)
[10:19] <Daidoji> ?
[10:19] <plovs_work> WW, if you like to get involved, make a page if not ... well then not :)
[10:19] <opi> Daidoji: you can mount it by yourself if you need it atm
[10:20] <Daidoji> opi : i've tried, but ...mmmm... nothing in /dev about my other partition...
[10:20] <opi> Daidoji: oh, really? Now that's very strange
[10:20] <opi> Daidoji: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hdX where x is disk number
[10:20] <Daidoji> opi : i explain : no hdax, but hdex et hdgx
[10:21] <opi> and see if everything is ok with partion setup
[10:21] <Daidoji> oki, i see it.
[10:21] <opi> I'll get a caffee ;}
[10:22] <Daidoji> fatal error : cannot open disk drive
[10:22] <Daidoji> hoooo
[10:22] <opi> huhu
[10:22] <Daidoji> in fact, they begin at hdE ...
[10:22] <Daidoji> why ? Oo
[10:22] <opi> no idea
[10:23] <Daidoji> erf... too bad, forgot how use mount :(. ok, i'll go ask my friend google :D
[10:24] <Daidoji> thank opi :)
[10:24] <opi> Daidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where
[10:24] <opi> Daidoji: mount -t filesystem /device /where -o option=a,nextoption=b
[10:25] <opi> Daidoji: ie. mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/disk_mp3 
[10:25] <Daidoji> opi : thanks :), in fact i already know that (try of sooner) but i have some pb with the /where :P
[10:25] <opi> mkdir will help here ;)
[10:25] <Daidoji> opi : and for automount ? just make a batch file with all the mounting, no ?
[10:26] <opi> Daidoji: see /etc/fstab
[10:26] <gilles> Kamion, i know you are very busy but do you take a look on my screenshots ?
[10:26] <Daidoji> opi : domo arigat gosaimasu !
[10:26] <WW> plovs_work: My page is really gone now.  I'll be making the occasional wiki FAQ addition, but that's about it.  
[10:27] <stvn> Daidoji: do you have the right permissions in the /where ?
[10:27] <Daidoji> stvn : root permissions ?
[10:28] <stvn> rwx permissions at least
[10:28] <opi> Daidoji: I wish I could understand that ;)
[10:28] <opi> unless you're mounting RO media
[10:28] <opi> then RX would be enough
[10:28] <Daidoji> opi : Really Thank you << hasty translation ;)
[10:28] <Kamion> gilles: I don't see the e-mail from you
[10:29] <Kamion> gilles: what e-mail address did you send it from?
[10:29] <Daidoji> stvn : yes, now i have it :P
[10:29] <gilles> Kamion, cjwatson@canonical.com
[10:30] <Daidoji> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel <<< ????
[10:30] <opi> vfat
[10:30] <opi> not fat32
[10:30] <Daidoji> arg
[10:30] <Daidoji> ok, i retry, thank :)
[10:31] <Daidoji> mount -t vfat /dev/hde /media/Win32
[10:31] <Daidoji> mount: /dev/hde already mounted or /media/Win32 busy
[10:31] <Daidoji> Oo ?
[10:31] <Kamion> gilles: no, *from*
[10:32] <opi> you see
[10:32] <opi> it's mounted
[10:32] <opi> do df -h
[10:32] <Daidoji> Sys. de fich.         Tail. Occ. Disp. cc. Mont sur
[10:32] <Daidoji> /dev/hdh1             2,0G  1,6G  304M  85% /
[10:32] <Daidoji> tmpfs                 380M     0  380M   0% /dev/shm
[10:32] <tux> later peeps
[10:33] <Daidoji> opi : i have nothing on Win32
[10:33] <gilles> Kamion, from gilles.di-martino@wanadoo.fr
[10:33] <opi> Daidoji: erm, shouldn't you use partition number?
[10:33] <opi> mount -t vfat /dev/hde1 /media/Win32
[10:33] <Daidoji> ...
[10:33] <Daidoji> gmen Y___Y.... i'am too stupid ! Thank
[10:34] <stvn> :)
[10:34] <opi> I like to help
[10:34] <opi> :)
[10:35] <Kamion> gilles: you managed to trip my spam filters
[10:35] <gilles> Kamion, you remember partman dont' display partition on my second hd but in console i see them fine
[10:35] <Kamion> "hi, i send you two pics ..." probably did it :-P
[10:35] <gelfling> can someone point me to destructions for installing nvidia drivers? I wanna make 3d goodness happen ^_^
[10:36] <Kamion> gilles: yep, I know
[10:36] <Daidoji> Opi : ok, now it's mounted :P. but my fat32 folder are like some unknown file (so i could not go in)
[10:36] <Zomb> Daidoji: sounds like missing permissions for directories
[10:36] <stvn> Daidoji: they are prolly mounted with root priviliges
[10:36] <opi> Daidoji: umount then add -o umask=000
[10:37] <opi> or sudo for your mp3 collection :D
[10:37] <Daidoji> arf, oki. Thank you all :)
[10:37] <bob2> gelfling: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[10:37] <gelfling> tar
[10:39] <opi> Ok, maybe I should work a little bit? :)
[10:40] <SavuZiil> hi, its my first time installing linux and id like to know what are the system requierments of ubuntu 4.10
[10:40] <opi> SavuZiil: depends what you like to get
[10:40] <opi> SavuZiil: having decent Gnome experience will cost around Celeron 600 and 128/256Mb of memory
[10:40] <bob2> SavuZiil: for gnome you'd want 256MB of ram, 1.8GB of disk and maybe a p3 or p2
[10:41] <opi> SavuZiil: full Ubuntu takes aroudn 1.8Gb
[10:41] <gelfling> bob2: does that get me the same as the drivers off the nvidia site? Or are they the open source
[10:41] <opi> gelfling: NVidia drivers are not Open Source
[10:41] <bob2> gelfling: the same dodgy binary drivers nvndia ships
[10:41] <opi> nv drivers in XF are open sourced
[10:41] <SavuZiil> but what can i do with 500mhz pentium2 and with 128mb ram
[10:41] <opi> but withour acceleration
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: it wil be ok, but might be a bit slow
[10:42] <opi> SavuZiil: you can still get Linux expereince nice, but I would not recomend Gnome
[10:42] <stvn> SavuZiil: it can run it, but it would be wise to put an extra 128 ram in
[10:42] <gelfling> bob2: ok thanks, in that case I got em already! thanks bob2, saves me messing about ^_^
[10:42] <daniels> er, I think they do 2D acceleration for most primitives
[10:42] <SavuZiil> so kde is the way to go?
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: try it and see...if gnome is annoyingly slow, you can run other things
[10:42] <daniels> as well as Xv
[10:42] <bob2> SavuZiil: kde is as slow or slower
[10:42] <opi> SavuZiil: there's a XFce4 that would go
[10:42] <stvn> SavuZiil: I run it perfectly fine on a amd K6 400MHz, but it has 400 MB ram
[10:43] <opi> SavuZiil: KDE/Gnome are big DE, while XFce/Fluxbox are just WM
[10:43] <Treenaks> opi: xfce is a de
[10:43] <SavuZiil> de? wm?
[10:43] <opi> Treenaks: it is? Im using it for a month or so and didn't feel it :)
[10:43] <opi> SavuZiil: Digital Env. vs. Window Manager
[10:44] <Treenaks> opi: Desktop env.
[10:44] <opi> SavuZiil: it's like waching machine vs. soap
[10:44] <stvn> desktop environment
[10:44] <opi> Treenaks: desktop, yes, I must have some brain disorder ;)
[10:44] <opi> doh
[10:44] <opi> washing machine
[10:44] <SavuZiil> ok thanx for your help
[10:48] <SavuZiil> one more question (not much to do with linux), anyone knows some place where i can get information on BeOS
[10:48] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: google.com 8)
[10:48] <uman> Treenaks: hey, what concidence, I know that site, too
[10:48] <stvn> heh
[10:48] <uman> coincidence ^
[10:48] <SavuZiil> Treenaks: the easy way to answer all questions:D
[10:48] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: true ;)
[10:49] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: otherwise, wikipedia.org :))
[10:49] <opi> SavuZiil: bebits.com
[10:49] <stvn> SavuZiil: osnews.com might be useful as well
[10:49] <gelfling> savuziil: ive seen some news on osnews in the last few days
[10:49] <uman> howstuffworks.com is pretty good, too
[10:49] <uman> though it does have some ads thrown in
[10:49] <uman> ^for things not related to operating systems that is
[10:49] <SavuZiil> ok, thanks
[10:52] <Treenaks> Pizbit: man 5 units
[10:53] <Pizbit> Treenaks: I was thinking in nautilus etc
[10:54] <Treenaks> Pizbit: don't know... look at the source?
[10:54] <Pizbit> For...?
[10:54] <Treenaks> it tells me MB, but I don't know if it means MB or MiB
[10:54] <uman> Men in Black ?
[10:54] <Treenaks> Pizbit: every program that uses units.. that's kind of the problem
[10:54] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Probably MiB, I'd just prefer it if it used the proper units;)
[10:54] <Treenaks> uman: man 5 units
[10:55] <Treenaks> Pizbit: submit patches to the GNOME people
[10:55] <uman> ah, is that for compiling timing ?
[10:55] <Pizbit> http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
[10:55] <Pizbit> uman: Look at that if you don't know about them
[10:55] <Treenaks> uman: no, read the manual
[10:55] <uman> ok
[10:55] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Pah, I'm no coder
[10:56] <Treenaks> Pizbit: everyone can change MB to MiB
[10:56] <uman> thanks for that
[10:56] <Treenaks> Pizbit: then file bugs..
[10:56] <uman> it
[10:56] <Zomb> is this fixed somehow in the GNOME HIG? Would be the first good thing there.
[10:56] <Pizbit> Treenaks: So, you expect me to download heaps of source, find the specific places where the units are mentioned, changed, them and then get the dependencies needed to compile it...:P
[10:56] <uman> it's just like the metric stuff, just converted for 2^10
[10:56] <Pizbit> *just* so I can be sure?
[10:57] <Treenaks> Pizbit: I am?
[10:57] <Pizbit> Probably.
[10:57] <Treenaks> *dances around in a circle*
[10:57] <Pizbit> Definatly:)
[10:58] <Treenaks> Pizbit: you should probably test it (make a 1MB file and a 1MiB file, check what nautilus tells you)
[10:58] <alex_> hmm...
[10:58] <srbaker> anyone else have troubel with warty immediately after install?
[10:58] <srbaker> i try to log in for the first time: no splash screen
[10:58] <Treenaks> Pizbit: and files bugs based on that, or ask the Gnome HIG people about it
[10:58] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Or I could du a file and compare it to the nautilus view
[10:59] <alex_> I just installed warty, but no where during the install process do i remember giving a root password. Am I just too drunk to remember?? whats going on here..
[10:59] <Pizbit> alex_: You use sudo and your normal pass
[10:59] <Treenaks> Pizbit: something like that
[10:59] <bob2> alex_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:00] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Do it for me :D:D
[11:00] <Treenaks> Pizbit: no :) too busy @ work
[11:00] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Muahaha
[11:00] <Pizbit> You sure fooled me.
[11:01] <Treenaks> Pizbit: you want your .tk domains, or not? :)
[11:01] <Kamion> alex_: the first screen after boot should've explained that no root password would be set
[11:01] <Kamion> after the first reboot, I mean
[11:01] <phin> alex: ahh good old drunken installs, good luck!
[11:01] <Pizbit> phin: Can't get much wrong with a drunken install of ubuntu
[11:01] <phin> lol
[11:01] <phin> i know
[11:01] <phin> ive done a few
[11:02] <Pizbit> Hehe
[11:02] <uman> my dmesg shows stuff in KiB yay
[11:02] <alex_> Pizbit, bob2, Kamion, ok thx guys, r00t!!
[11:02] <Pizbit> uman: So does ifconfig
[11:02] <alex_> i just was to also say, im really very impressed.
[11:04] <thomasvs> does anyone know why I can't get any package with a binary called "ant" that builds java projects ?
[11:04] <alex_> only one problem other than root, my printer didnt autodetect properly, but the weird thing is that my printer has a CF card slot, and i happened to have a CF card inside, and it auto detected/mounted/whatever the card and i could browser my pics.. thats truely awesome.
[11:04] <thomasvs> ant itself is free software.  all I find is libant1.5-java currently
[11:05] <thomasvs> which contains some run scripts that don't seem to work, and a jar that I don't know what to do with to make it run
[11:05] <Pizbit> alex_: Heh
[11:06] <alex_> what I dont understand is why the gnome printer tool doesnt just use all the regularly supported cups drivers, like, my printer is not listed among the drivers, but if i open up cups itself in the webbrowser the proper driver is right there!.. 
[11:10] <Pizbit> alex_: That's just not cricket.
[11:10] <alex_> hah
[11:10] <uman> nah, tis fish
[11:10] <topyli> live action irc!
[11:12] <stvn> has anyone any suggestions to why my clock runs at the wrong speed under ubuntu - I'm completly out of ideas :'(
[11:13] <bob2> stvn: have you searched the list archives?
[11:14] <alex_> dang, i cant remember what port the cups daemon lives on
[11:14] <stvn> bob2: not the ubuntu list
[11:14] <bob2> stvn: why?
[11:15] <stvn> bob2: didn't know they existed, and google didn't point me to it ;)
[11:15] <__daniel> alex_, grep -i cups /etc/services
[11:15] <__daniel> hmm :-)
[11:16] <__daniel> alex_, i guess 631 ipp Internet Printing Protocol
[11:17] <burnboy> so i'm not sure i like the new login image for ubuntu :) why are they not wearing much in the way of clothes :)
[11:18] <alex_> __daniel, thats the one, but its strange because nothing turned up for cups in /etc/services
[11:18] <alex_> but localhost:631 works
[11:18] <alex_> thankx __daniel
[11:18] <__daniel> alex_, well after that i tried  grep -i print /etc/services ;-)
[11:19] <__daniel> alex_,  de rien
[11:19] <stvn> bob2: am I missing something, or is there no search function in the archives?
[11:19] <alex_> oops, whats this? "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."
[11:19] <alex_> heh yea that works
[11:22] <maswan> daniels: btw, I ran my x40 until the screen went black yesterday, about 5-6 hours. and about 10 minutes after the battery state claimed to be critical. :)
[11:22] <daniels> maswan: yeah :)
[11:23] <alex_> ok, looks like I wont be printing
[11:23] <Treenaks> maswan: I can run my PC for an hour after the battery level drops to 0 :)
[11:23] <janl> maswan: *sulk* mine will barely last that long suspended
[11:23] <maswan> Also, at the conference I was at, IBM was handing out "x40" notebooks, the paper kind. :)
[11:24] <maswan> A little bit thinner, but the same dimensions otherwise. Weighing about the same with the battery removed. :)
[11:25] <runge> I have a litle question about ubuntu. where is it headed? will the packages in the end be diffrent from debian so that they cant be used from both? (I am not a debian user, but gentoo so if it sounds like a strange question..)
[11:25] <cef> Kamion: got a q for you re: d-i & non-detected rootfs devices
[11:25] <Kamion> cef: yuh-huh
[11:25] <Kamion> (i.e. hm, doesn't sound like something I might obviously know, but I'll try)
[11:26] <loz> when I refresh in synaptic all the repositories say "Hit" and it wizzes through.  Why is this, it use to work, and I can't update any of my s/w now.  Is this because they haven't change?
[11:26] <cef> Kamion: amd64, rootfs on a 3ware 9500 SATA raid (3w-9xxx).. install detects, partitions and installs to it, but after boot pivot-root fails. using the release images too btw
[11:27] <__daniel> loz, exactly... they haven't changed
[11:27] <loz> so that's what Hit means then __daniel?
[11:27] <Kamion> cef: suggests that the initrd couldn't figure out where the root partition is, but apart from that I'm clueless ...
[11:27] <Kamion> cef: I suspect I'd end up booting with init=/bin/sh and tracing through it by hand :-(
[11:28] <cef> Kamion: so the q. is there a way to tell the initrd to load a module (as it's in the initrd, but not in the initrd's loadmodules)
[11:28] <__daniel> loz, synaptic (via apt) hit their repositories: it's alright. otherwise it'd say "fail" or "failed"
[11:28] <cef> Kamion: or alternatively, a way I can add it manually during the install process?
[11:29] <Kamion> cef: only at initrd build time, AFAIK
[11:29] <Kamion> cef: you can re-run mkinitrd during the install ...
[11:29] <loz> __daniel: seems funny to have no changes in 2 days, because it used to be that they would change every day.  even if it was just to change picture to semi-naked people and back.
[11:29] <alex_> is gimp-print in the warty release?
[11:29] <Kamion> loz: warty's released and therefore frozen.
[11:29] <maswan> daniels: Oh, didn't you promise an updated thinkpad-x40-support thingie with better suspend support for centrino wireless? :)
[11:30] <cef> Kamion: I looked at that.. and it kept breaking when I was running it manually from the command-line.. any suggestions/pointers on what to pass it?
[11:30] <alex_> nevermind, yes i see it is.
[11:30] <loz> Kamion: that doens't include the "universal" package does it?
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: yes, it does
[11:30] <loz> so there's no more s/w updates now then?
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: barring total emergencies / word of baby jesus
[11:30] <cef> loz: only security updates afaik
[11:30] <Kamion> loz: no, not in warty. we'll open up hoary fairly soon for new development
[11:31] <loz> so this means that essentially I've got a fully up-to-date system, and new releases of other packages which are ubuntu won't update (like gaim for example)
[11:32] <daniels> maswan: yeah, been busy though
[11:32] <daniels> and my desktop's wireless has been randomly broken
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: ACK
[11:32] <Kamion> cef: something like 'chroot /target mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386 /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386' should reproduce the current initrd, tweak from there
[11:32] <maswan> daniels: Well, no worries, I'll just have to reboot about a third of the times I try to unsuspend. :)
[11:33] <alex_> so what am I to do if my printer driver simply *isn't there*
[11:34] <Kamion> cef: you'll need to add the module in question to /target/etc/mkinitrd/modules first
[11:34] <daniels> maswan: just edit /etc/acpi/suspend.sh and add an rmmod ipw2100; rmmod ipw2200 where ehci_hcd gets rmmodded
[11:34] <daniels> maswan: then re-modprobe them in resume.sh
[11:34] <loz> Kamion: so are there any other repositories that I can use to get more recent versions of some software?
[11:34] <maswan> daniels: Ah, ok. Thanks. :)
[11:34] <cef> Kamion: brilliant.. thanks. I've fiddled enough with initrd ages ago to know how to get the thing to force a module load at boot, and if not, I'm sure I'll figure it out. I'll see about adding how to do it into the wiki so that it can get FAQ'd
[11:34] <Kamion> cef: BTW you don't need to redo the whole install, just run up to the start of partitioning so that all the filesystem modules and such are available
[11:35] <Kamion> cef: please report a bug with full details, this fiddling should be made unnecessary rather than just documented
[11:35] <cef> Kamion: yeah I know.. was inspecting it a few times like that
[11:35] <Kamion> loz: what are you desperate for?
[11:35] <cef> Kamion: yeah, but unlikely to happen for warty as it stands, since it's released and all. *grin*
[11:35] <Kamion> cef: right
[11:37] <alex_> is there any chance that scribus will be packaged for the next release?
[11:37] <Kamion> loz: hoary will start up soon and will supply daily crack for those who want it :)
[11:37] <Kamion> alex_: should be in universe?
[11:38] <loz> Kamion: well a few things.. gaim being pretty active updating to keep up with protocol changes for one
[11:38] <Treenaks> Kamion: "soon"? *twitch*
[11:38] <Kamion> Treenaks: dunno exact timings, there's a hoary kickoff meeting on Monday so I should know then
[11:38] <cef> Kamion: also it's quite possible that it could happen in the future, even though it shouldn't, better to have the entry there so that people can actually resolve the problem at least and get going
[11:38] <Treenaks> Kamion: < 6 months 8)
[11:39] <Dashiva> scribus is indeed in universe
[11:39] <malte`> hi
[11:40] <alex_> Kamion, pardon? u talking about printer drivers or scribus?
[11:40] <xskoulax> morning malte`
[11:40] <Kamion> alex_: scribus
[11:40] <Kamion> cef: true
[11:40] <bronson> Yes!!  Success.
[11:40] <bronson> I finally managed to get the Orinoco drivers cleanly into the stock Ubuntu kernel.
[11:41] <cef> Kamion: could be interesting to get initrd to parse the kernel commandline and have an option to load module(s) before doing pivot-root - eg: initmod=3w-9xxx - so that you could append it to the kernel commandline at least and get booted... though then there is always the security implications... however if someone has physical access to the box, you're toast anyway
[11:41] <xskoulax> \0/
[11:41] <bronson> It only took a day and a half...  On the bright side, it produced a lot of wiki pages.  :)
[11:41] <tux> im looking for 'libglib1.2' for ubuntu under http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/ ; can't seem to find it :/
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: libg/libglib1.2 ?
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: otherwise, it's in g/glib/
[11:42] <tux> ahh thats where im prob. wrong :)
[11:42] <Treenaks> tux: but..isn't apt easier?
[11:42] <Kamion> cef: (only works with modules already in the initrd anyway)
[11:42] <tux> dont have net connection on laptop
[11:42] <alex_> i dont understand why my printer driver Epson-C84 is not listed when i just had debian-sarge installed on this computer, and C84 was listed among the cups drivers for that system
[11:42] <Kamion> bronson: uh - I thought we already had the Orinoco drivers?
[11:42] <tux> have to dl to usb key and copy over :/
[11:43] <cef> Kamion: yeah.. but they're all in the initrd currently, so it shouldn't be a problem
[11:43] <Kamion> cef: although yes, that would be a useful feature
[11:44] <alex_> when moving from regular debian to ubuntu i didnt expect to loose my printer
[11:44] <cef> Kamion: I'll have a look at doing it after I get the box up and running and work out a patch or something *grin*
[11:44] <tux> cheers ; later
[11:46] <bronson> Kamion: not patched for monitor mode.
[11:46] <alex_> meh, oh well, overall I would say ubuntu is great, good stuff you guys, I'll check back when you make your next release.
[11:46] <cef> ok.. later ppl, off to wash clothes and then going out....
[11:47] <alex_> cya
[11:47] <MyKq3> hello how can i change the defult spell checker with outher spell checker ?
[11:47] <bronson> I'm about to head to Boston and I'm hoping to keep in touch by the grace of open APs.  :)
[11:47] <Kamion> bronson: ah; is there a bug about that?
[11:48] <bronson> Kamion: no idea.  I'm not sure it's a bug...  There might be a reason this stuff is not integrated into the kernel...?
[11:49] <Kamion> bronson: sounds like a valid enhancement request at least
[11:50] <bronson> I suppose I could file one if you think it's a good idea.  Personally, though, it seems like the Ubuntu devs have better things to do.
[11:53] <bronson> Man I like Ubuntu.
[11:53] <Kamion> bronson: we've added quite a few custom patches to our kernel already, so (without knowing anything about the patch) another one certainly isn't out of the question.
[11:53] <bronson> I haven't felt this in tune with a distro since Debian circa 2000...
[11:53] <bronson> Kamion: you're telling me!  I was amazed at how many patches are in there.
[11:54] <bronson> OK, I'll file a feature request.
[11:54] <Kamion> the majority are Debian patches, actually
[11:54] <bronson> Well, there's a lot of them.
[11:54] <Kamion> well, I think it's still the majority ...
[11:55] <patrick_> is there a way to compile flash player it works well on site but not an certain programs
[11:55] <bronson> So I'm sitting in the same room as my AP (Linksys WRT54G) and 2 of my neighbors have stronger signals.
[11:56] <patrick_> is there a way to compile flash player 7
[11:56] <bronson> Weird.  Wonder if they're using antennas or illegal power settings...
[11:56] <deFrysk> flash is not open source
[11:56] <dyn> ahem
[11:56] <dyn> my debian days are a bit in the past
[11:57] <dyn> so i cant clearly remember how can i resolve package dependencies
[11:57] <dyn> i'd need gaim-encryption and found a deb version of it on the net
[11:57] <Kamion> bronson: hm, actually, we probably have the majority of the patches now, looking at 00list-16
[11:57] <patrick_> what can i use apart from the flashplugin-nonfree??
[11:58] <dyn> but after installing with -force-deps, every apt command complains about unmet deps and suggest removing it
[11:58] <deFrysk> patrick_, the installer of macromedia.com
[11:58] <dyn> can i make it somehow accept my decision?
[11:58] <niels\> bronson is your antenna attached directly to the card ? if so your computer case must be disturbing the signal
[11:58] <bronson> niels\: it's a minipci built into my T23 (Thinkpad).  I have no idea where the antenna is.
[11:59] <bronson> But that's a good point.
[11:59] <niels\> bronson oh ok
[11:59] <deFrysk> patrick_, please stop pinging me
[11:59] <patrick_> ok sorry
[12:00] <deFrysk> unrequested
[12:00] <patrick_> defrysk : it doesn't work properly
[12:00] <patrick_> defrysk : some texts appear blanks
[12:01] <philipp1> hello, did someone get mplayer to work, or DVD in general ?
[12:01] <patrick_> me !!
[12:01] <niels\> patrick_ havent you seen in the README that you need some fonts like the dsfons ones
[12:01] <bronson> philipp1: yep.  what's the problem.
[12:01] <niels\> gsfonts sorry
[12:01] <philipp1> i just installed it using the instructions in ubuntu's new howto
[12:02] <bronson> "with select models of the T23 featuring a dual antenna system built into the display cover in order to increase signal strength."
[12:02] <philipp1> and now mplayer does not even start
[12:02] <bronson> niels\: you got me curious.
[12:02] <Treenaks> deFrysk: apt-get install mozilla-flash-plugin should work as well
[12:02] <niels\> bronson i've never used minipci cards but i've done a bench yesterday
[12:02] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I am sure it does
[12:02] <niels\> i lose 10% strenght if my antenna is directly on my pci card
[12:02] <topyli> philipp1: i installed the mplayer-custom ubuntu packge and it won't start either :)
[12:02] <bronson> Man these thing were expensive new.  Work just gave this one to me because it's apparently obsolete.  :)
[12:03] <philipp1> exactly
[12:03] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I tried it with apt-get install flash-plugin but see now i used the wrong packagename :s
[12:03] <topyli> philipp1: so i removed it and forgot about it
[12:04] <patrick_> defrysk : mozilla-flash-plugin ?? what repository??
[12:04] <deFrysk> Treenaks, tnks for the info though
[12:04] <deFrysk> patrick_, probably in unuversal
[12:04] <niels\> patrick_ maybe universe
[12:04] <deFrysk> universal*
[12:04] <deFrysk> inuverse sorry
[12:04] <deFrysk> geez
[12:04] <topyli> universum
[12:04] <deFrysk> dang typos
[12:06] <dyn> anyone uses gaim-encryption on ubuntu?
[12:07] <deFrysk> patrick_, the correct name is flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <patrick_> the flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work properly it misses some text
[12:10] <deFrysk> patric, also apt-get install gsfonts-x11 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:11] <deFrysk> patrick_, might help
[12:12] <deFrysk> patrick_, when you rightclick a selected package in synaptic you can check for recomended packages to install with it
[12:25] <stvn> hm ubuntu's nautilus appears to b0rk images bigger then 15k when transfering them over ftp
[12:27] <digitalux> hello all
[12:27] <digitalux> is there a realtek WLAN driver in ubuntu??
[12:32] <gilles> kamion,i'm not able to mount dos partitions in console
[12:33] <gilles> i wrote "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -t vfat" ant it answer "no such file or directory"
[12:33] <patrick_> on some sites when i go on fullscreen wuth flash it crash
[12:33] <deFrysk> patrick_, nvidia driver ?
[12:33] <stvn> gilles: it it mount -t <filetyp> /device /destination
[12:34] <lhb> gilles: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/<destinataion>
[12:34] <lhb> sorry stvn, see you are helping already
[12:34] <gilles> same error
[12:35] <Kamion> gilles: it's not /dev/hda1 in the console
[12:35] <Kamion> er, in the installer
[12:35] <Kamion> use tab-completion, it's there and it's helpful
[12:35] <Kamion> gilles: you probably want /dev/discs/disc0/part1
[12:35] <patrick_> no defrysk flash player :)
[12:36] <lhb> gilles: did you make a directory in mnt where you can mount it too?
[12:36] <patrick_> what can i do
[12:37] <bronson> Kamion: feature request filed.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2644
[12:37] <Kamion> gilles: oh yes, /mnt doesn't exist in the installer either, mkdir it
[12:37] <gilles> Kamion, ok i got it i sent it to you
[12:37] <Kamion> bronson: ta
[12:38] <gilles> just one min
[12:38] <patrick_> plz help me
[12:39] <Kamion> patrick_: if people don't answer, it's not because we all hate you, it's more likely that nobody who's around right now knows
[12:39] <Kamion> patrick_: you might try mailing ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com instead
[12:39] <patrick_> ltsp in ubuntu is great
[12:40] <patrick_> the only problems is flash player
[12:40] <deFrysk> patrick_, do you have the nvidia driver installed ?
[12:40] <pisuke> patrick_, what version of flash player?
[12:41] <patrick_> 7.0.25
[12:41] <pisuke> same here and no problem
[12:41] <lhb> suggestion for the wiki, irc faq
[12:42] <patrick_> its fine for me but only in fullscreen in certain sites
[12:42] <pisuke> url?
[12:42] <pigreco> hi, during installation i skipped network configuration, how do I config it now ?
[12:42] <patrick_> its on my network and not accessibvle to others
[12:42] <gilles> Kamion, ok sent it
[12:42] <deFrysk> patrick_, are you running the default firefox of ubuntu ?
[12:43] <plovs_work> bronson, hi you made nice wiki pages!
[12:43] <gilles> Kamion, i must leave back later
[12:44] <patrick_> yes it is 0.93 + 1.0pr reverted to 0.93
[12:44] <hns> I have a webcam Logitech clicksmart. Someone can point me to documentation how to ge this thing working with Ubuntu
[12:44] <gilles> see you soon
[12:44] <deFrysk> patrick_, it work fine on mine :s
[12:45] <pigreco> on the network config i only see "NIL" device but the network card id recognized..
[12:45] <pigreco> i cant understand how can i set eth0 instead of NIL
[12:46] <bronson> plovs_work: thanks!  just trying to understand things.
[12:46] <patrick_> defrysk can i use firefox only in fullscreen
[12:46] <plovs_work> bronson, i noticed we have already four kernel pages, maybe we would need one kernel page with a couple of sub-pages
[12:47] <bronson> It definitely needs a reorg.
[12:47] <bronson> Actually, it makes sense to have three kernel pages, one for each build technique.
[12:48] <plovs_work> bronson, since you did most of the writing and your pages are better then mine could you reorganize it to a bunch of Howto's?
[12:48] <plovs_work> bronson, one with the links and then the other ones as sub/pages?
[12:50] <bronson> plovs_work: that's a good idea.  I don't have time now.  I'm leaving for vacation in <24 hours.
[12:50] <bronson> If nobody else has done it by the time I get back, I might do it.  ;)
[12:50] <plovs_work> bronson, cool! have a nice vacation!
[12:51] <bronson> thanks!
[12:52] <patrick_> defrysk i want to use firefox only in full screen
[12:55] <Kamion> bronson: you guys object to me going through and doing typo fixes and stuff? I found lots just at a quick glance over KernelHowto
[12:56] <Kamion> plovs_work: why does KernelHowto recommend building in /usr/src/ rather than just in your home directory, as would be Right and Proper?
[12:58] <Kamion> gah, and it perpetuates the ancient /usr/src/linux symlink rubbish
[12:58] <Kamion> even the kernel README stopped recommending that a while back
[12:59] <mojo_> Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?
[01:00] <mojo_> Does anyone know how to disable the Hardware System Clock Sync when boot up?
[01:04] <stvn> does ubuntu get bug-fix updates in wartie, or only security updats?
[01:06] <Kamion> stvn: only security updates and perhaps absolutely critical bug fixes
[01:06] <|trey|> Who's Opi?
[01:07] <mojo_> anyknow how to add in a DNS into dhclient.conf??
[01:07] <daniels> 04:07 [opn]  :::: opi ~emil@195.69.82.35
[01:08] <|trey|> mojo_: the examples are pretty good... just read what it says...
[01:08] <|trey|> mojo_: if you can't understand that, try webmins frontend for it...
[01:09] <|trey|> Webmin should be supported... and marketed... Novell BrantchOffice... but Open Source...
[01:09] <mojo_> thx trry
[01:09] <|trey|> just |[tab]   :)
[01:09] <Treenaks> |trey|: webmin should be trashed, burned and the authors quartered and hung
[01:09] <mojo_> do u know how to disable annoying time synz at boot time?
[01:09] <Treenaks> |trey|: stupid POS
[01:10] <|trey|> Treenaks: it works  :/  name a better configuration method that you can click with... :/  that + iPrint = almost exactly Novell BranchOffice...
[01:11] <Treenaks> |trey|: Clicking != The Uber Solution To All The Worlds Problems
[01:11] <|trey|> Get files, Configure every computer from one interface....
[01:11] <Zindar> webmin is really really really terrible
[01:12] <|trey|> Treenaks: it just makes things easier... blah  :/
[01:12] <mojo_> trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all
[01:12] <plovs_work> Kamion, no idea, i have always done it this way, i never even *considered* doing it diffrently (a duh might be in order)
[01:12] <DjGeRo> and it makes it's own ways to do things... 
[01:12] <DjGeRo> so it sucks
[01:12] <mojo_> trey: I cant install Webmin rite now due to my slow connection, can u tell me what statement to add in DNS x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y in dhclient.conf? I dun understand the example at all
[01:12] <Treenaks> |trey|: easier, yes. but if you want "more than webmin can do" you'll need to re-learn everything because you only know how to click
[01:12] <stvn> Kamion: thanks
[01:13] <Kamion> plovs_work: I'll try to get round to rewriting that today - really don't want to encourage the /usr/src/linux thing, and it will simplify the document considerably
[01:13] <Treenaks> mojo_: the example is very clear, but you'll probably want to  edit resolv.conf, and you can do that using the Network Settings tool in the gnome menu, I guess
[01:13] <|trey|> mojo_: umm... blah... I don't even have bind on this file... tldp.org, DNS howto...
[01:14] <|trey|> Treenaks: hmm, I haven't been using GNOME that long... usually KDE or XFce... didn't know that  :)
[01:14] <plovs_work> Kamion, if you have time for it, you might compare it with the other three kernel pages, you might just remove mine?? what do you think 
[01:14] <plovs_work> ColinWatson in tha house?
[01:16] <mojo_> Treenaks: true, I can do it with Net Setting but it will be updated with wrong DNS everytime boot up, that's why I want to fix it in dhclient.conf
[01:16] <Treenaks> mojo_: fix your DHCP server
[01:16] <bronson> Kamion: not at all.
[01:17] <bronson> (I mean, I don't mind you applying changes to the pages)
[01:17] <bronson> You might get rid of the make-kpkg page -- I just don't see how that technique is useful when we've got dpkg-buildpackage and byhand.
[01:18] <bronson> Or move it to a dusty corner of the wiki...
[01:19] <|trey|> bronson: umm, only to distribute over your domain I guess  :/   they are usually simular hardware  :/
[01:20] <bronson> |trey|: ??
[01:20] <Forgiven> hey all. i just was wondering what package ubuntu uses for automatically mounting removable media.
[01:20] <|trey|> bronson: thats the purpose... compile once for all your clients...
[01:21] <|trey|> Then distribute via apt-proxy  :)
[01:21] <bronson> |trey|: well, sure.  It's just that dpkg-buildpackage is a lot easier, and by hand is a lot more flexible.
[01:21] <|trey|> bronson: make-kpkg is just as flexable as byhand...
[01:21] <bronson> Not by a long shot.
[01:22] <bronson> It's got to recompile each kernel from scratch.  You can't make incremental changes.
[01:22] <|trey|> bronson: it just does the make commands for you  :/
[01:22] <bronson> Compare the length of the make-kpkg howto and the byhand howto.  I don't see any advantage...
[01:22] <Kamion> plovs_work: ColinWatson == me
[01:23] <atariboy> is there an easy way get libtoolize?
[01:23] <patrick1548> is there a way to run firefox only in full screen????
[01:23] <Kamion> plovs_work: I'm not sure I have time for large-scale editing; I'm really going through and applying general proofreading skills at the moment
[01:23] <|trey|> bronson: make-kpkg = one command... byhand *can be*
[01:23] <|trey|> just less typing...
[01:23] <plovs_work> Whoever wins the KernelHowto fight, can you make KernelHowto as  top and then add sub-pages to it /CoolKernelHowto /UberCoolKernelHoto etc
[01:23] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok!
[01:24] <bronson> |trey|: by hand: "make modules_install install"
[01:24] <|trey|> make-kpkg kernel_image [name] 
[01:24] <patrick1548> is there a way to run firefox only in full screen???? pl?
[01:24] <|trey|> Thats after ./configure && make clean  :/
[01:25] <bronson> |trey|: don't forget to add "--revision=blah"
[01:25] <atariboy> patrick1548: you might wanna try a firefox kiosk extension
[01:25] <patrick1548> or a link to open in a new tab without any extension
[01:25] <bronson> |trey|: make-kpkg requires configure too.
[01:25] <bronson> and it's "make clean" vs. "make-kpkg clean"
[01:25] <|trey|> bronson: I didn't [name]  = --revision
[01:25] <|trey|> Not make clean though, does that...
[01:26] <bronson> Anyhow, debating over a few keystrokes is silly.
[01:26] <SmokingFire> what's a good tool to rip cd's?
[01:26] <SmokingFire> better the nsoundjuicer anyway
[01:26] <|trey|> bronson: thats the point... its the "Debian Way"  :/
[01:26] <enrico_> hello everybody
[01:26] <brosen> SmokingFire: Grip is good
[01:26] <stvn> SmokingFire: what's wrong with sound-juicer? (was about to suggest it)
[01:26] <bronson> |trey|: I'd argue that dpkg-buildpackage is the Debian way.  Or it ought to be.
[01:26] <bronson> It's so much simpler.
[01:26] <SmokingFire> stvn: I want more options
[01:27] <stvn> SmokingFire: ah ok
[01:27] <enrico_> channel: im here to give my spare time for the italian translation of the web site
[01:27] <Kamion> |trey|: "the Debian way" is a pernicious meme that isn't necessarily right
[01:27] <|trey|> bronson: /j #debian-bots, /msg dpkg kp
[01:27] <|trey|> Kamion: and you...
[01:27] <plovs_work> Kamion, you might want to look at AlexanderPoslavsky/PlayGround this will be linked in HowtoHowto (and thanks for renaming it) it will be the Ubuntu Documentation Standard (when it is finished)
[01:27] <Kamion> no
[01:27] <bronson> |trey|: those are the instructions I wrote the make-kpkg wiki page from.
[01:28] <bronson> curse those bots.  :)
[01:28] <|trey|> bronson: you should host a bot from there  :)
[01:28] <enrico_> another thing... why not making the installation as "easy" as in windows xp?
[01:29] <bob2> enrico_: hos is it harder?
[01:29] <|trey|> Thats one thing this channel lacks  :(  I like them, remind me of things... we could customize the db to be Ubuntu specific  :)
[01:29] <Kamion> enrico_: IME the Windows XP installation is already harder than Ubuntu's.
[01:29] <bob2> a bot is a waste of time
[01:29] <plovs_work> enrico_ if that would be our standard, then we would not be aiming very high
[01:29] <bob2> when we have a really good wiki
[01:29] <Kamion> enrico_: but if you have specific problems, file bugs; "why not make it as easy as <foo>" is unhelpful.
[01:29] <plovs_work> bob2, what about a wiki-bot?
[01:30] <ajame> wiki is a bit hard to use
[01:30] <enrico_> bob2: im the co-founder of the btlug (borgo val di taro, italy... everyone's invited for porcino mushroom's based dinner)
[01:30] <bob2> plovs_work: why?
[01:30] <tolly> i just installed tcl and tk, when i compile a program that uses it i get this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltcl
[01:30] <|trey|> bob2: that requires fireing up another browser though  :(
[01:30] <tolly> how do i fix it?
[01:30] <plovs_work> everytime a question does not get answered for 2 minutes the bot will say: wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[01:30] <bob2> tolly: you need libtcl-dev or so
[01:30] <enrico_> ..: well ive actually installed ubuntu's for my little brothere
[01:30] <Kamion> plovs_work: and a bot can tell when a question has been answered - how?
[01:30] <enrico_> and yes i do think it's not that easy...
[01:31] <tolly> bob2: is it on the tcl/tk website?
[01:31] <enrico_> basically... not everyone knows what the vesa driver is... so 
[01:31] <Kamion> enrico_: well, then, file bugs
[01:31] <tolly> i installed the tcl and tk from the website
[01:31] <plovs_work> if i ask a question (...?) and you see no plovs_work:
[01:31] <bob2> tolly: it's in ubuntu
[01:31] <Kamion> plovs_work: very bad heuristic
[01:31] <|trey|> Kamion: at least replyed to... by trigering on ? to remember username, then forget when that nick is typed...
[01:31] <enrico_> considering that is possible... it could be nice making a script to let ubuntu install like knoppix boot
[01:32] <bob2> enrico_: when does anyone need to know what a ves driver is to install?
[01:32] <Kamion> plovs_work: we do not need more noise in this channel, bot-generated or otherwise.
[01:32] <tolly> i installed the one from the website already
[01:32] <enrico_> a safer OS that ms's, in less time
[01:32] <tolly> the one in ubuntu wasnt good
[01:32] <bob2> Kamion: wait until the spambots arrive
[01:32] <tolly> didnt work
[01:32] <Kamion> enrico_: you only need to know about the vesa driver if your graphics card and monitor can't be autodetected.
[01:32] <bob2> tolly: and what package exactly did you install?
[01:32] <bob2> tolly: and what are you compioling?  please don't say eggdrop.
[01:32] <Kamion> enrico_: in which case, this is the best we can do at the present time.
[01:32] <|trey|> Kamion: could /notice the person... is private, but still in channel...
[01:32] <bronson> OK, I gotta run.
[01:32] <bronson> Good night all.
[01:32] <Kamion> no bots, mmkay
[01:33] <|trey|> :(
[01:33] <bronson> I expect to see the wiki twice as big when I get back.  ;)
[01:33] <tolly> i compile the tcl and tk from the tcl/tk website and installed it, im trying to install a program called cnet
[01:33] <philipp1> night bronson :-)
[01:33] <stvn> night bronson 
[01:33] <plovs_work> bronson, nice vacation!
[01:33] <bob2> tolly: if you installed tcl from source then you need to point cnet's configure script at what you installed
[01:33] <enrico_> youall: nooo, i dont really think so.. because vesa driver is ok for the 95% of the hw now in commerce... you could make a type of installation were everything is automated...
[01:33] <bob2> tolly: but you really don't need to build tcl from source
[01:33] <enrico_> like at the boot prompt an "easy" option
[01:33] <|trey|> tolly: you have those -dev packages?
[01:33] <bob2> enrico_: vesa is horrible
[01:34] <tolly> i always have trouble with those  packages and stuff, they always stuff up
[01:34] <Kamion> enrico_: that's the intent of the default. it's as automated as we can safely do
[01:34] <enrico_> but it works
[01:34] <Hawkeye> hmm, it seems most services on unbuntu are configured to use the inetd superserver. Is there any way to specify globally you don't want that and will start the services in standalone mode ? 
[01:34] <bob2> tolly: then you're doing it wrong
[01:34] <bob2> tolly: come in and ask for help with tat instead of saying it's "broken".
[01:34] <bob2> Hawkeye: no
[01:34] <bob2> Hawkeye: and very few useful services run out of inetd by default.
[01:35] <bob2> maybe samba and ftpds.
[01:35] <|trey|> enrico_: you can have it so the installer just installs files if you really wanted, already...
[01:35] <enrico_> well... with the things im telling you itll be even more automated
[01:35] <|trey|> Thats pretty automated....
[01:35] <Kamion> enrico_: no, it will just break for lots of people and we'll have to support them.
[01:35] <patrick1548> ltsp on ubuntu is great
[01:35] <enrico_> well if it breaks you can reinstall without the "easy" option
[01:35] <enrico_> ...easy as in sex
[01:35] <helix> what the
[01:35] <Kamion> enrico_: we automate graphics card detection; if it doesn't work for you, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration for how to help us improve it.
[01:36] <Hawkeye> bob2: yep, ftpds... but pure-ftpd has an option to configure it as standalone. Apache starts as a daemon on itself too. I'll simply change the configuration of pure-ftpd to start in standonle mode and nuke the inet.d server from the runlevels with update-rc.d
[01:36] <Kamion> enrico_: I am one of the people who would have to support this, and it doesn't work that way
[01:36] <|trey|> Kamion: perhaps only prompt for "type" and list easy - difficult... time out to easy...
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: no.
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: the default is easy.
[01:36] <bob2> Hawkeye: just don't install inetd then...
[01:36] <|trey|> Kamion: fair enough  :)
[01:36] <Kamion> |trey|: if it isn't easy enough, then we should fix the default.
[01:36] <enrico_> i can support ubuntu in the county of parma
[01:36] <Hawkeye> bob2: it's installed by default
[01:36] <pantz_> do i need to do anything more than 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' to move from the preview release to the 4.1 release?
[01:36] <enrico_> without having ppl to bother you
[01:36] <Hawkeye> and a lot of services depend on it
[01:37] <philipp1> is there a way to copy something from cd to hd and giving it write permissions ?
[01:37] <Kamion> enrico_: I'm the installer team leader; like it or not, people will bother me :-)
[01:37] <enrico_> ... moreover.. it'll be nice to have programs already localizaed
[01:37] <stvn> pantz_: apt-get dist-upgrade is better
[01:37] <bob2> pantz_: there's a page on the wiki about it
[01:37] <Hawkeye> that's the beauty of a system like gentoo, where you simply specify USE=-xinetd before compiling to drop support 
[01:37] <enrico_> ...localized...
[01:37] <pantz_> stvn, bob2 thanks
[01:37] <|trey|> Kamion: the X configuration shouldn't be there... IMO, and mail should default to the only user made...
[01:37] <enrico_> bcause firefox isnt
[01:37] <Kamion> |trey|: it isn't, if it's autodetected
[01:37] <bob2> |trey|: hahahahahaha
[01:37] <daniels> enrico_: vesa just isn't an option.
[01:37] <Kamion> |trey|: if it didn't work for you, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration
[01:38] <bob2> pantz_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[01:38] <Kamion> |trey|: you don't have to configure mail in the installer
[01:38] <daniels> enrico_: it doesn't necessarily work on all chipsets, it's incredibly slow, et al.  it would support far less hardware than our current setup.
[01:38] <bob2> enrico_: please help localise firefox then
[01:38] <|trey|> Kamion: it was right, but I was prompted to accept each screen... thats how I usually have it... but n00b's might be confused  :(
[01:39] <daniels> |trey|: in that case, you have found a bug, and please follow Kamion's link to debug it and file a bug if you want to see it improved
[01:39] <|trey|> Kamion: oh, well I think you did for the Preview Release? I was kinda high when I installed RC  :o
[01:39] <enrico_> bob2: firefox is already localized in italian... i can help localizing your web site... im only askin to the installer team to plz make autolocalization
[01:39] <enrico_> btw GREAT JOB
[01:39] <plovs_work> Kamion, should we have some sort of DebugCategory? Ending thos kind of docs in Debug? what do you think?
[01:39] <|trey|> ahh... uhh, k  :o
[01:39] <Kamion> |trey|: then X autoconfiguration failed; see the wiki page I quoted
[01:39] <bob2> enrico_: "autolocalization"?
[01:40] <enrico_> yeah... if my system language is italian id like firefox to be in italian to
[01:40] <Kamion> |trey|: may've done for the preview, it was long enough ago that I forget
[01:40] <stvn> enrico_: it does that already, doesn't it, I selected dutch on one of my machines and everything is in dutch, if available
[01:40] <enrico_> not in mine: firefox is in english
[01:40] <SmokingFire> Is there something that looks and feels like soundjuicer but has grip's options?
[01:41] <|trey|> Kamion: I remember cuz I haven't configured Postfix that much... usually use Exim...
[01:41] <mjr> enrico_, hm, do you mean that the language preferences that it sends to web sites should reflect the locale by default?
[01:41] <ajame> stvn, vietnamese is available?
[01:41] <helix> doesn't firefox use some other kind of configuration for l10n?
[01:41] <Kamion> plovs_work: don't look at me for documentation categorisation ideas :)
[01:41] <mojo_> ajama, u viet
[01:41] <mojo_> rite?
[01:41] <stvn> ajame: I don't know really, I would think so, since it is in debian
[01:41] <Kamion> plovs_work: just please don't take the link away from the front page, we want that visible
[01:41] <enrico_> no the menu's language
[01:42] <mojo_> stvn: yes, Viet locale works with me, need install urw font for Viet
[01:42] <Kamion> enrico_: better installation of l10n packages is a target for Hoary.
[01:42] <plovs_work> ok, i'll rename it and put it right back
[01:42] <enrico_> well itll be pretty nice if also the webpage were...
[01:42] <Kamion> enrico_: as are a bunch of other localisation things
[01:42] <|trey|> daniels: link bookmarked... I will do it when no one is on AIM :)
[01:43] <enrico_> thx kamion... UBUNTU is going to be the official release for the basic linux course [obviously free course]  we are organizing
[01:43] <SavuZiil> finally installed ubuntu, as the linux newbie i am i cant install samba, any help would be welcome
[01:43] <mojo_> Hey everone, pitti just give me the update that can't make it to Warty release (too late to add in), it fixes hotplug issues and volume-manger issues, plese get it asap from this respo: deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~pitti/utopia/  /
[01:43] <bob2> SavuZiil: run synaptic, select samba
[01:43] <|trey|> enrico_: yay... Ubuntu should have more things like that... Red Hat has classes  :)
[01:43] <bob2> mojo_: are you sure pitti wanted you to get random end-users to install them?
[01:43] <pitti> mojo_: hey, "asap" is a bit too quick :-)
[01:44] <ajame> mojo_, yes 
[01:44] <pitti> bob2: actually not
[01:44] <bob2> yeah, didn't think so.
[01:44] <SavuZiil> damn, how can i log in as the root usr
[01:44] <pitti> TO ALL: THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL ARCHIVE
[01:44] <|trey|> pitti: not at all, cuz if its not possible right now, he doesn't want you to do it  :)
[01:44] <enrico_> so who should i ask to for the website translation
[01:44] <SavuZiil> i only have 1 user
[01:44] <bob2> mojo_: I'm sure martin can broadcast if it he wants to :-)
[01:44] <bob2> SavuZiil: you don't login as root
[01:44] <|trey|> pitti: what cool toys are there?
[01:44] <pitti> |trey|: it is possible, it actually works pretty good
[01:44] <mojo_> yeay bob2
[01:44] <pitti> It's just the latest hal and g-v-m crack
[01:45] <bob2> pitti: built on ppc?
[01:45] <SavuZiil> the whole concept of root is kinda hazy to me
[01:45] <pitti> it fixes some bugs, and probably introduces a hell of a lot of new ones :-)
[01:45] <pitti> bob2: no, not yes
[01:45] <bob2> SavuZiil: run synaptic.  it will ask for your user password. enter it. it will run as root.
[01:45] <pitti> bob2: s/yes/yet/
[01:45] <mojo_> |trey|: cool hack man, it's for next Hoary, I've already got it!
[01:45] <Hawkeye> btw, is there any use for the rsync server that's started up by default ?
[01:45] <bob2> Hawkeye: dude, rsync is not started by default
[01:45] <bob2> Hawkeye: nor is inetd
[01:45] <|trey|> pitti: hal's device manager gain interface to install and remove devices?
[01:45] <Kamion> SavuZiil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[01:45] <pitti> I will do ppc packages soon, though
[01:46] <bob2> pitti: ah, cool...
[01:46] <SavuZiil> bob2: it says i have to be logged in as root user, i tried to run synaptic from the terminal
[01:46] <pitti> |trey|: no, "maanger" is still the wrong word
[01:46] <bob2> SavuZiil: what says that?
[01:46] <pitti> |trey|: it's a debugging tool
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: run it from the menu
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: it's under Computer somewhere
[01:46] <Kamion> SavuZiil: (otherwise, 'sudo synaptic')
[01:46] <|trey|> pitti: hal-device-manager  :/
[01:46] <pitti> bob2: I'm currently syncing and cleaning up g-v-m, upload it to my archive, and then build ppc debs
[01:47] <bob2> pitti: ah, fair enough, I'll have a testrun tommorow
[01:47] <SavuZiil> found it
[01:47] <pitti> |trey|: hal-nice-and-colorful-debugging-tool
[01:47] <|trey|> pitti: but it would be cool to be able to actually CONFIGURE modules, rather then just look at what is loaded  :/
[01:47] <|trey|> I know whats loaded  :/
[01:47] <enrico_> two things...
[01:48] <enrico_> 1) can i install non-ubuntu packages?
[01:48] <SavuZiil> thanx bob2, kamion
[01:48] <enrico_> 2) who should i ask to for the web site translation?
[01:48] <|trey|> If I took this harddrive to another box, and things aren't working, would be cool to NOT have to go to CLI, this is a desktop... You're meant to click things on desktops...
[01:48] <pitti> |trey|: in a restricted sense, the new hal actually allows to configure things
[01:48] <bob2> enrico_: from Debian? probably, but it's not supported.
[01:48] <pitti> |trey|: they added persistent keys, user policies and such
[01:49] <|trey|> pitti: thats one thing I would love to see, thats all  :)
[01:49] <pitti> |trey|: sth of this could be exploited to do very cool things
[01:49] <|trey|> pitti: yay  :)
[01:49] <Kamion> enrico_: we aren't up and running with web site translation facilities yet; patience :-)
[01:49] <enrico_> what about bittorrent? there's no gui in your repository
[01:49] <bob2> enrico_: yes there is.
[01:49] <bob2> enrico_: bittornado includes one.
[01:50] <enrico_> synaptic only has bittorent
[01:50] <thomerz> hiho
[01:50] <|trey|> Better configuration + Netscape Security Services when they are GPL'ed = very good things for the future  :)
[01:50] <bob2> enrico_: it's in universe.
[01:50] <Kamion> the 'bittorrent' package has btdownloadgui, too, if you also install libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:51] <pantz_> b4 updgrading my kernel with 'apt-get install linux-686', uname -a gave me this ouput
[01:51] <pantz_> Linux faramir 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:51] <enrico_> where can i find the universe section in synaptic?
[01:51] <pantz_> and after a reboot i have this ...
[01:51] <pantz_> Linux faramir 2.6.8.1-3-686 #1 Tue Oct 12 13:10:36 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:51] <Kamion> should be in the default sources.list but commented out, go to Settings -> Repositories
[01:51] <thomerz> i have a question, i'm a linux newbie, and have installed ubuntu on my system, but there is no root account bzw. i don't know the root pwd, how can i change this??
[01:51] <|trey|> + IMO Helix
[01:51] <Kamion> in fact, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:51] <pantz_> should i have installed the 'linux-386' package?
[01:51] <Kamion> pantz_: up to you
[01:51] <bob2> thomerz: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:52] <enrico_> sorry
[01:52] <thomerz> thx
[01:52] <enrico_> sorry
[01:52] <pantz_> why did the installer give me a 386 to start with?
[01:52] <mvo_> enrico_: enable it in the repository window
[01:52] <Kamion> pantz_: the installer only installs linux-386 because we only wanted one kernel on the CD
[01:52] <SavuZiil> also can someone help me with installing java (allready downloaded java1.4.2 for linux bin-file , cant really do anything more with it)
[01:52] <pantz_> Kamion, thanks :)
[01:52] <bob2> thomerz: also, it told you after the install that there was no root acount and you should usse sudo
[01:52] <thomerz> yes bob2, but i also need a pwd for sudo
[01:52] <bob2> thomerz: yes, that's your user password
[01:53] <pantz_> Kamion: I have an athlon XP 2500+, is the 686 the optimal package?
[01:53] <thomerz> aaah
[01:53] <bob2> Kamion: doesn't the installer explain the sudo thing?
[01:53] <thomerz> thx bob2
[01:54] <|trey|> bob2: the dialogue still says "Changing user...", misleading, and pretty confusing...
[01:54] <atariboy> libtoolize isn't in universe. how else can i get it? i heard debian packages are not a good idea on ubuntu. would i need to compile it?
[01:54] <|trey|> Validating... would be more clear...
[01:54] <bob2> |trey|: that's not what I'm talking about
[01:54] <bob2> |trey|: if you think it could be clearer, file a bug
[01:55] <Kamion> pantz_: linux-k7, I suspect
[01:55] <Kamion> bob2: yes
[01:55] <bob2> atariboy: it's in the "libtool" package
[01:55] <|trey|> bob2: I'm just mentioning something that confused me at first...
[01:55] <Kamion> |trey|: but it is changing user
[01:55] <|trey|> Set root password, and tried that at first...
[01:55] <Kamion> it's switching privileges to the root user
[01:55] <pantz_> Kamion, so should i 'apt-get remove linux-686 && apt-get install linux-k7'?
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: not a big deal, if you want to
[01:56] <|trey|> Kamion: but "Change user" usually means it requires another accounts password... you didn't create one  :/
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: I wouldn't remove your running kernel if I were you, though
[01:56] <atariboy> bob2: oh ta. i tried apt-getting libtoolize. is there a command to find items within packages?
[01:56] <pantz_> any real performance change?
[01:56] <Kamion> |trey|: I don't think so
[01:56] <Kamion> pantz_: some, not massive
[01:56] <bob2> atariboy: packages.debian.org
[01:56] <pantz_> ok thanks
[01:56] <bob2> Kamion: is there a plan for a packages.d.o equivalent?
[01:56] <|trey|> Kamion: well, it confused me, so I'm sure it confused others... it was the first time I questioned having made a root...
[01:56] <atariboy> thanks bob2 
[01:57] <|trey|> bob2: I asked that too  :)
[01:57] <Kamion> bob2: yes
[01:57] <|trey|> Kamion: yay  :)
[01:59] <SmokingFire> whats a good value for ogg bitrate? And should I use variable bitrate?
[02:00] <bob2> listen to it and see, and yes.
[02:00] <Kamion> "listen to it and hear", surely? :-)
[02:00] <bob2> bah!
[02:00] <SmokingFire> Can I also say with VBR, bitrate can go up but not down.
[02:00] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: I don't use bitrates, I use qualities... -q5
[02:00] <bob2> the default is ~mp3 at 128kbit/s, I think
[02:01] <SmokingFire> Ok, I think I will just look  it up on ogg's site, to many questions, thanks anyway
[02:02] <|trey|> bob2: a *good* mp3 is usually about that  :)
[02:02] <enrico_> well but will the things installed from universe have a link in the menu?
[02:03] <|trey|> enrico_: so far, for me, no... Ubuntu packages should though  :(
[02:03] <|trey|> Only installed bzflag from universe though...
[02:03] <enrico_> well how can i know if a package in universe... or restricted... or main
[02:04] <|trey|> That is a fun game, should be in main  :)
[02:04] <bob2> enrico_: apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section
[02:04] <enrico_> in synaptic?
[02:05] <|trey|> enrico_: when its not in main or resticted, activate the universe and multiverse repo... when you are done, can then deactivate...
[02:05] <bob2> enrico_: no ide
[02:05] <|trey|> Eventually, there will be a packages.d.o equivelent though apparently  :)
[02:05] <Pizbit> G'damn am I glad I didn't shove a -o in there else I would just have spammed the channel *grin*
[02:06] <|trey|> Pizbit: good job, meet #flood  :)
[02:06] <Pizbit> OTOH got link handling back into xchat, stupid me for screwing that up earlier.
[02:06] <enrico_> |trey|: it isnt a very useful solution
[02:06] <enrico_> ...and how can i open a terminal?
[02:06] <|trey|> enrico_: you can do all that in synaptic...
[02:06] <mvo_> enrico_: it has this little support icon when it's in main, otherwise it's not
[02:06] <enrico_>  apt-cache show packagename | grep \^Section ???
[02:06] <elvstone> hm, i've got a computer set up with ubunto and gnome, and most of the interface are in swedish, but some for some items the translation is missing, and i think this is because of some of the modification ubuntu has made to the gnome it ships.. would it be easy for me to get the .po-files for the gnome that ubuntu uses and correct the translations?
[02:07] <bob2> enrico_: look in the properties
[02:07] <elvstone> has anyone done this themselves?
[02:07] <enrico_> bob2: it says version: warty ...
[02:07] <|trey|> Just 2 clicks in 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...
[02:07] <Pizbit> Argh, silenceing the output of a command totally? &2&1>1 or something innit?
[02:07] <bob2> enrico_: read the Section
[02:07] <enrico_> ahh ok ...got
[02:07] <bob2> Pizbit: > /dev/null 2>&1
[02:07] <|trey|> Just 4 clicks in there... Settings > Repositories > Select the repo, Update, then search...
[02:07] <|trey|> ^ English
[02:07] <Pizbit> Thanks
[02:08] <enrico_> trey: ... then
[02:08] <enrico_> other 4 clicks... to deselect
[02:08] <|trey|> Then "mark for install"...
[02:08] <Pizbit> w00t, that did the trick
[02:08] <|trey|> dselect sucks, at least use aptitude if you need an ncurses interface  :/
[02:09] <|trey|> Synaptic is the best available option for GTK though... desktops are for clicking things...
[02:09] <Kamion> IME aptitude's UI is considerably less comprehensible than dselect
[02:09] <Kamion> I wouldn't recommend either to new users
[02:10] <|trey|> I want my users to only be clicking... then they can't skrew anything up  :/
[02:11] <|trey|> If they're trusted, they can use sudo  :)
[02:11] <|trey|> Pizbit: Pretty easily... everytime I go out it seems like I get a gun pulled on me  :/
[02:11] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:12] <Pizbit> Ahhh, so that's why there's an = sign in the taskbar entry for my program, it means it's shaded:)
[02:12] <|trey|> I can't have a gun, cuz then I'd be in violation  :/
[02:12] <GotD0t> funny
[02:12] <|trey|> Not so much  :/
[02:13] <GotD0t> man.... its friday i have 2 classes today
[02:13] <GotD0t> that sucks
[02:13] <|trey|> I have Fridays off, I rule :)
[02:13] <GotD0t> you suck
[02:13] <Pizbit> Nice
[02:13] <Pizbit> Then again this monday is a public holiday
[02:13] <GotD0t> I have one thats an hour long... and one thats an hour and 40 long
[02:13] <GotD0t> is it?
[02:14] <GotD0t> whic
[02:14] <|trey|> [angryistfaceicanmake] 
[02:14] <Pizbit> Here in NZ anyway, so I'm gonna be doing sweet nothing.
[02:14] <GotD0t> oh
[02:14] <GotD0t> NZ... heh
[02:14] <|trey|> Pizbit: I had Monday off... sucked though, cut into Lab time  :(
[02:15] <teroz> h guyz
[02:15] <|trey|> teroz: holla
[02:15] <|trey|> I don't mean that I don't think  :o
[02:16] <mojo_> Pizbit: hello mate, - a hello from fellow OZ neighbor
[02:16] <teroz> this may sound dumb - how do i start gnome - as in there is no startgnome script anymoe
[02:16] <|trey|> teroz: startx
[02:16] <Pizbit> mojo_: Argh! An aussie! :)
[02:16] <|trey|> teroz: X give errors?
[02:16] <mojo_> Pizbit: mate, we won't loose to NZ in rugby!
[02:17] <GotD0t> Its amazing how bad the coffee from the cafeteria at my school is, when compaired to the stuff i got at home
[02:17] <Pizbit> mojo_: See, you're proving that the stereotype is true, aussies are damned liars, every one of them!
[02:17] <|trey|> First time I installed Ubuntu, I was @ 600x480, I was mad  :(  Reinstalling seemed to fix it though, ugh, never got to see why  :(
[02:18] <Pizbit> |trey|: I had a crapload of problems until I use noapic, or was it pci=noacpi? Either way I keep both:)
[02:18] <|trey|> Except every other time, it asked me... so that was ok...
[02:19] <|trey|> Pizbit: I used boot=nofb  :/
[02:19] <Pizbit> Ahh, maybe that's what I need to get rid of that
[02:19] <|trey|> Its not in my grub.conf(menu.lst) though  :/
[02:20] <elvstone> "Ubuntu includes the best translations available for the Ubuntu desktop software (and you can help to improve those translations!)" <- from ubuntu website.. where can i find a public repository of these translations (specifically the one for the gnome ui)?
[02:20] <GotD0t> whats the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD for use in a normal cd player?
[02:20] <Pizbit> Just tack on nofb for the grub line eh?
[02:20] <|trey|> elvstone: those are in developement afaik
[02:20] <|trey|> GotD0t: Most would say Sound-Juicer is a good option....
[02:21] <elvstone> |trey|: the translations? i'm aware of that, but aren't the translations in work available somewhere?
[02:21] <GotD0t> |trey| isnt that a ripper?
[02:21] <|trey|> elvstone: not entirely sure, don't know where...
[02:21] <mrjive> GotD0t: line command or gui?
[02:21] <GotD0t> mrjive: either way
[02:21] <|trey|> GotD0t: yes... thats what you wanted... to get the cd's music files onto your disk?
[02:21] <elvstone> |trey|: i'm interested in fixing some things with the swedish translation (which is OK in standard gnome, but a bit broken on ubuntu).
[02:22] <|trey|> harddisk*
[02:22] <GotD0t> |trey| no... the other way around
[02:22] <mrjive> GotD0t: there are several, eroaster is not bad, for me :)
[02:22] <|trey|> GotD0t: from harddrive to cd?
[02:22] <GotD0t> mrjive: does it come preinstalled?
[02:22] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, try grip
[02:22] <elvstone> |trey|: it's weird how they say you can help out but they don't have their changes in public anywhere..
[02:22] <mrjive> GotD0t: nope
[02:23] <GotD0t> k... really wanted to do it before I leave for class... the CD's in my car are pissing me off
[02:23] <GotD0t> guess not going to happen
[02:23] <|trey|> GotD0t: Umm... cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=<some_number> --audio file1.audio file2.audio
[02:23] <|trey|> Thats the way I use... faster  :/
[02:23] <Treenaks> no -- before speed, afaik
[02:23] <enrico_> i've installed xmms but it doenst display in multimedia menu
[02:23] <|trey|> Treenaks: man cdrecord  :/
[02:24] <sjoerd> cd
[02:24] <|trey|> enrico_: add it...
[02:24] <enrico_> i can...
[02:24] <enrico_> but a normal user can't
[02:25] <mrjive> Treenaks: you're right, no -- before speed
[02:25] <|trey|> Right click within the multimedia menu, entire menu > add new item to this menu... works for my regular user  :/
[02:25] <mojo_> Pizbit: mate, calm down
[02:25] <GotD0t> well you can also exit and restart X
[02:26] <Pizbit> mojo_: Heh, you didn't take that seriously did ya?
[02:26] <|trey|> mrjive: umm, well it works for me as --speed... I burn everything with cdrecord  :/
[02:26] <|trey|> Which amounts to about 3 discs a week...
[02:26] <GotD0t> well im off... gotta finish getting ready for class
[02:27] <|trey|> 4 days of which don't count, cuz on those days I have no time...
[02:27] <mrjive> |trey|: ok maybe it is the same... i never put -- before speed :)
[02:27] <GotD0t-learnin> aww
[02:27] <GotD0t-learnin> heh
[02:27] <|trey|> mrjive: cool... 2 less charectors... if it breaks I know where to find you  ;)
[02:27] <mojo_> Pizbit: nah mate
[02:28] <mrjive> |trey|: :PP
[02:29] <|trey|> mrjive: he tried to correct me though, shouldn't correct something that isn't wrong...
[02:29] <mrjive> |trey|: :)
[02:30] <|trey|> Can say "ya know, -- isn't needed  ;)"... would be better recieved  :)
[02:30] <enrico_> WHAT I HUMBLY WANTED TO MEAN is that a normal user that wants to install a programs... would also like to have it linked as in windows... some kinds of automation
[02:31] <|trey|> enrico_: I already said that I agree, they should be added... but their not... add it manually... file a bug though perhaps?
[02:32] <|trey|> enrico_: and don't yell... please  :)
[02:32] <mrjive> ciao enrico_
[02:33] <enrico_> ciao a te
[02:34] <ctalkep> hi there
[02:34] <pantz_> now that i have done a 'apt-get install linux-k7' - how did i remove the linux-686 i just apt-get installed b4 it?
[02:34] <pantz_> i tried apt-get remove linux-686 and it did stuff but didn't remove the kernel
[02:34] <pantz_> and it is still in my grub menu.lst
[02:35] <pantz_> and i just rebooted into 686 - so it is still around :)
[02:35] <GotD0t-out> anybody have a clue as to how i can reduce the ringing from my CRT? besides of course changing the refresh rate?
[02:35] <hornbeck|away> atariboy:?
[02:35] <Zindar> pantz: linux-686 is just a metapackage
[02:35] <atariboy> hornbeck: hey
[02:36] <pantz_> Zindar, ok - so i can't remove it?
[02:36] <Zindar> pantz: linux-image-686 is the kernel
[02:36] <pantz_> ahhh
[02:36] <Zindar> no
[02:36] <Zindar> w8
[02:36] <hornbeck> atariboy: check the third line of the BeagleInstallHowto
[02:36] <gecco> hi
[02:36] <hornbeck> atariboy: the first line will give you mono in your sources
[02:36] <Zindar> pantz: sorry.. hold
[02:36] <|trey|> linux-image-2.6-<$ARCH> is right...
[02:36] <pantz_> Zindar, ok
[02:37] <Daidoji> re all :)
[02:37] <|trey|> you can have debfoster "keep" that... then it makes only keeping the newest installed kernel easier...
[02:37] <Zindar> pantz: linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686 is the kernel
[02:38] <pantz_> ok and so i could apt-get remove linux-image-686?
[02:38] <|trey|> Zindar: what I said better manages kernel ver... debfoster should be edited via packages and kept away from users though  :)
[02:39] <Daidoji> I have a question : it seem that the (etc...) in filename under win32 are a great pb under ubuntu (for example, impossible to listen a mp3)
[02:39] <|trey|> Useful, but perhaps confusing, user CAN edit it if they know where the file is though  :)
[02:39] <pantz_> Zindar Oh - i see them all in synaptic now with a search for linux-image - should be ok now - thanks
[02:39] <Daidoji> does exist a solution ? (another than rename them /P )
[02:40] <gecco> can anbody help with a small problem in ubuntu-linux?
[02:40] <|trey|> Should definatly be frontends for grub menu items, and packages installed though... like a Debfoster frontend...
[02:41] <theine> is there a clean way to switch the window manager in gnome 2.8 rather than the infamous ``killall metacity && openbox'' or whatever?
[02:41] <|trey|> GRUB config like system-config-boot on Fedora... its a helpful tool, and keeps you away from CLI, which is good for a Desktop, cuz desktops are for clicking  :)
[02:42] <|trey|> theine: if you find one, let me know  :)
[02:43] <|trey|> theine: other then ~/.xinitrc of course + restart of X server...
[02:43] <gecco> i installed the latest firfox and removed the 0.93-version. Now i want ubuntu to use the new firefox as the default-application for www - links
[02:44] <Daidoji> erf. in fact it seems that i have an overall pb with the 'codec' : When i would like to play a simple mp3 for example, totem or rythm does not know what to do :( ... ("Failed to Play : reason unknown" or "couldn't locate mp3 plugin")... erf :S
[02:44] <Daidoji> gecco : preference, prefered application, no ?
[02:44] <Treenaks> Daidoji: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, thanks, i go see 
[02:45] <gecco> daidoji: i tried, but it doesn't work
[02:45] <Daidoji> gecco : i'll try in some sec.
[02:45] <gecco> ok
[02:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, Thanks :)
[02:46] <Treenaks> gecco: see that page too
[02:47] <Kamion> plovs_work: hm, only problem with renaming DebuggingXautoconfiguration is that we've pointed a lot of people to that in mailing list posts and such, and now that leads to a nasty not-found page
[02:47] <gecco> this one? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:47] <mrjive> cannot find the link to the faq page for totem/divx .... can someone.... please... ;)
[02:48] <hornbeck> Kamion: renaming?
[02:48] <gecco> http://www.theora.org/ 
[02:49] <gecco> mrjive: http://www.theora.org/
[02:49] <Daidoji> gecco : i just tried with mozilla in place of firebird, and no pb :S. i just switch in the preference/applications prfrs (in french sorry) 
[02:50] <Daidoji> Treenaks, the pb is that i already have installed the library (mad) for mp3 ^^;;
[02:51] <gecco> Daidoji: Do you can download the newest Firefox? www.mozilla.org and try with it?
[02:51] <Kamion> hornbeck: to XautoconfigurationDebug apparently
[02:51] <chowells2> is there any packages for ubuntu of xine with encrypted DVD support?
[02:51] <Daidoji> gecco : no, i only took the mozilla 1.5 distrib debian
[02:52] <hornbeck> Kamion: was that a problem?
[02:52] <Kamion> hornbeck: see what I just said?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> chowells , >>  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <gecco> The newest Firefox has an automatic Plugin-function..... no more manual plugin installing needed
[02:52] <Treenaks> Daidoji: did you restart the program?
[02:52] <Daidoji> Treenaks, yes.
[02:52] <hornbeck> Kamion: yeah I see
[02:53] <cenerentola> im enrico_ i just wanted to know if the nvidia driver are embedded in the installation
[02:53] <gecco> if there is a plugin like flashplayer is missing it starts an automatic installation
[02:53] <Treenaks> gecco: DON'T install that firefox.. it's buggy and 0.9.3 works fine
[02:53] <Daidoji> gecco : you talk about the 1.0Pr?
[02:53] <Kamion> hornbeck: maybe we could add a placeholder page or something if the renaming's important
[02:53] <gecco> Daidoji: yes
[02:53] <Treenaks> gecco: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:53] <pisuke> gecco,  if only it installed the java plugin. at least with flash works
[02:53] <Daidoji> Treenaks, I have the same pb under rythm too
[02:53] <hornbeck> Kamion: I will talk to plovs about that
[02:53] <Kamion> ta
[02:53] <Treenaks> Daidoji: you might need to logout/login
[02:54] <gecco> hmmm
[02:54] <Daidoji> Treenaks, oki, i will try.
[02:55] <Daidoji> Treenaks, by the way, after reading the page you give me the url : all my anime fansub wich is in XVid/OGM is at put on trash ? :S
[02:55] <Daidoji> be back
[02:56] <cenerentola> hey... are the nvidia driver included in the installation media=?
[02:56] <stvn> hm
[02:57] <LinuxJones> cenerentola, no they are in restricted, but the nv dirver is available
[02:58] <mrjive> gecco: mmm wasn't there a page on ubuntulinux.org?
[02:58] <gecco> mrjive: this is the site from ubuntu
[02:58] <deFrysk> cenerentola, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:59] <plovs_work> Kamion, i'll add a link, sorry
[02:59] <Kamion> plovs_work: cool, thanks
[03:02] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok, back on track
[03:02] <SavuZiil> how can i access the trash bin if i accidentally removed it from the taskbar
[03:02] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I have a email going to devel about this type stuff, please add your input.
[03:02] <cenerentola> how can i open a terminal
[03:03] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:03] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: right-click the panel, Add new item to panel, trashcan
[03:03] <Treenaks> cenerentola: right-click on the desktop, click Open Terminal in the menu
[03:03] <SavuZiil> Treenaks: thanx
[03:03] <Pizbit> SavuZiil: You can put it back again:) Or look in nautilus and click on one of the menus at the top, it'll have Trash or something in it
[03:03] <plovs_work> hornbeck, hi! what stuff, redirecting/renaming?
[03:04] <Pizbit> Ah, "places"
[03:04] <hornbeck> plovs_work:yes
[03:05] <plovs_work> hornbeck, what do you think, should we duplicate stuff that is also on the www.ubuntulinux.org site? there it is not editable
[03:05] <cenerentola> hey hey i got a bug error
[03:05] <Treenaks> cenerentola: bug error?
[03:05] <cenerentola> ..big error
[03:05] <cenerentola> "*Starting hotplu subsystem..
[03:06] <plovs_work> about renaming what do you want me to add? renaming is a bad habit(TM), but until the wiki runs smoothly it might happen every once in a while
[03:06] <Treenaks> cenerentola: yes, and?
[03:06] <hornbeck> plovs_work:Iam running right now so post in mailing about it
[03:06] <ctalkep> anyone here know how the translation of ubuntu is going?
[03:06] <cenerentola> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko) : Operation not permitted
[03:06] <plovs_work> hornbeck, about duplicating eg qemu emulation used to be on the wiki and then got removed and put on www.ubunt.... no I wouldn't have found it I only read the wiki
[03:07] <plovs_work> hornbeck, ok
[03:07] <cenerentola> modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): operation permitted
[03:07] <cenerentola> "
[03:07] <cenerentola> what's that?
[03:08] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I think there are alot of areas we are going to have to address but I think enrico wants alot more input than we are letting him have, so it is just better to do most discussion on the mailing list
[03:08] <senectus> I'm having weird problems with the wireless in my thinkpad.. anyone here have time to help me for a bit? 
[03:08] <Treenaks> cenerentola: it shouldn't matter if the system starts normally
[03:09] <cenerentola> treenaks: yeah... but i dont like errors
[03:09] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:09] <cenerentola> mainly at boot time
[03:09] <Treenaks> cenerentola: file a bug then
[03:10] <cenerentola> is it a bug?... thought just a configuration error
[03:10] <Treenaks> cenerentola: if it errors it's a bug, I guess
[03:10] <Pizbit> Gah, only sound for half a second at the start of this asf 
[03:11] <stvn> cenerentola: I have the same error, but since my computer works just gine, I've learned to ignore it ;)
[03:11] <mirak_-> good morning all
[03:14] <LinuxJones> hi mirak_
[03:21] <stvn> hi, is it possible that mounted directories do /not/ appear on the desktop?
[03:21] <plovs_work> hornbeck, ok, send it to the list
[03:22] <hornbeck> I replyed already:)
[03:22] <patrick1548> can someone tell me how to add a ohoto to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?
[03:22] <stvn> oh I found it laready
[03:22] <patrick1548> can someone tell me how to add a photo to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?
[03:23] <Kamion> plovs_work: the plan eventually is to link the wiki into the web site, so I'd recommend against duplicating content for now.
[03:24] <hornbeck> Kamion: Will the wiki always not stand though?
[03:24] <Kamion> "always not stand"?
[03:24] <patrick1548> PLZ 
[03:25] <hornbeck> Kamion: Until doc writers are able to update the website(which I don't see happening anytime soon), will we not need duplication
[03:25] <stvn> patrick1548: save a photo as .face in your home dir
[03:25] <hornbeck> Kamion: sorry, will it not always be there
[03:25] <Kamion> hornbeck: actually I thought there was a plan to get non-Canonical people updating the web site in the near future, but I don't know ...
[03:25] <Kamion> hornbeck: sure, the wiki won't be obsoleted, I was talking about linking the two together not removing the wiki
[03:26] <hornbeck> Kamion: I have not been told so, so no doc member that I know of is planning on this
[03:26] <Kamion> hornbeck: not your plan ... :)
[03:26] <Kamion> hornbeck: the website people
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Can someone please install and run chkrootkit. I have 14 hidden processes running and possible  LKM Trojan installed. I am hoping if it is just a false alarm :)
[03:26] <hornbeck> Kamion: the wiki is being mainly updated by the doc people right now so I guess we will need to join forces with the web people
[03:27] <jacob> No updates released for WW so far ight?
[03:27] <Kamion> hornbeck: yeah, I know
[03:27] <Kamion> jacob: not yet
[03:27] <hornbeck> Kamion: who are web people?
[03:28] <Kamion> hornbeck: lu and silbs I think
[03:28] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: are you running it as root?
[03:28] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, yes
[03:28] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: what programs did you install?
[03:29] <hornbeck> Kamion: I will touch base with them on all this than
[03:29] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, I have no services running and a firewall. I jsut usually idel here in IRC ans websurf. I am pretty sure it is jsut a false-positive.
[03:29] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: is it ubuntu?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> god my typing is horrible ;(
[03:29] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, oh yes
[03:29] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: default kernel?
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, ya i386
[03:30] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: does netstat  tell you if any ports are open (listening)?
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, no netstat -tap shows nothing
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, except for xchat that is
[03:31] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:32] <Treenaks> thomerz: the manual, probably
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, lsof -i shows just my running (desktop) applications and dhclient3
[03:34] <siretart> hi
[03:34] <LinuxJones> siretart, hello
[03:34] <iz> thomerz, whats the problem?
[03:34] <siretart> im trying to install warty with the installer cd. partman fails to detect my existing partitions
[03:34] <siretart> what can I do to debug the problem?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> siretart, someone last night had the same problem, he had a sata hard drive.
[03:36] <siretart> LinuxJones: this is an ibm thinkpad r40, plain ide
[03:36] <LinuxJones> siretart, that's odd 
[03:36] <siretart> funny: a `fdisk -l /dev/ide0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc` shows all partitions
[03:37] <maswan> daniels: If you're still around, why the ifup on ath0 and eth1? I don't have eth1 listed as auto in interfaces for a reason..
[03:37] <LinuxJones> siretart, you might want to look @ bugzilla someone else had the same problem last week.
[03:37] <siretart> I dont want to kill the partition table but install ubuntu to /dev/hda2. perhaps I have to debbootstrap it :/
[03:37] <maswan> daniels: in resume.sh that is.
[03:38] <daniels> hrm
[03:38] <daniels> i just didn't really change the default behaviour
[03:38] <siretart> LinuxJones: i just checked bugs.debian.org/partman, nothing applicable. i'll now consult ubuntus bugzilla
[03:39] <SmokingFire> teest
[03:39] <siretart> LinuxJones: did you mean #2412?
[03:40] <siretart> SmokingFire: success
[03:40] <SmokingFire> siretart: just trying as on other irc servers when I typed something I got disconnected.
[03:40] <Kamion> siretart: does 'parted -s /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' show all partitions?
[03:41] <LinuxJones> siretart, I don't know the exact reference but the person with the problem was going to submitt a bug to Ubuntu bugzilla
[03:41] <Pizbit> Ooops
[03:41] <theine> anybody using the intel ipw2100 wireless card in here?
[03:43] <Daidoji> hello again
[03:43] <siretart> Kamion: i get an error message about not beeing able to align partiton (whatever that means)
[03:43] <gnuyen> if you have a /dev/md device inside of fstab set as auto, how does that mount before the mdadm service starts?
[03:43] <Daidoji> Treenaks, it seem that my pb is bind to my soundcard in fact !(-
[03:43] <Kamion> siretart: well, that would explain the problem, at any rate
[03:43] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh? sorry?
[03:43] <Kamion> siretart: now you have something more concrete to google for :)
[03:43] <Daidoji> Treenaks, The pb was : coulnd't listen mp :)
[03:43] <siretart> Kamion: on my way. thank you! :)
[03:44] <maswan> daniels: Ok. Odd then, well, should be working now. Just testing it. :)
[03:44] <siretart> Kamion: do you think that specifying the geometry of the disc as kernel parameter would help?
[03:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, The pb was that i couldn't use mp3, ogg, or anything multimedia. i have installed all the library needed (mad for example) and no progress. So , i tried one of the system sound, and no sound at all :S. so i think that my pb is bind to my soundcard. And dunno where watch to resolve it :S (on mandrake i know, but here....)
[03:45] <Kamion> siretart: guess it's possible, but I don't know much more than you here
[03:46] <daniels> maswan: rad
[03:46] <maswan> daniels: .. damn.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: My testing just hit the same thing of not saying anything after cpyfreq: resume failed to assert...
[03:47] <daniels> it hung after that?
[03:47] <dkg> hej!
[03:47] <daniels> i get that all the time and it seems to be non-fatal
[03:47] <daniels> you're removing ipw2100 and ipw2200?
[03:47] <dkg> now gnome doesnt want to start anymore.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: yeah
[03:47] <dkg> without any error message.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: and yeah
[03:47] <dkg> what happend?
[03:47] <daniels> wow
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: And I get that all the time, even when it is working
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: It is just that the stuff that usually prints after cpufreq never happens.
[03:48] <lrn> I had all the time the beta release
[03:48] <dkg> after gdm I login.
[03:48] <lrn> now i need to download again the iso ?
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: It might be rarer now when removing them, I don't know yet. Need to get a significant sample first. ;)
[03:48] <daniels> yeah, that's really weird
[03:48] <dkg> then the cursor, then nothing.
[03:48] <daniels> heh, yeah
[03:48] <daniels> you have an x40, yeah?
[03:48] <dkg> is it a well known bug?
[03:48] <maswan> yeah
[03:48] <lrn> any one ?
[03:49] <dkg> hello?
[03:49] <JanneM> lrn: no
[03:49] <Kamion> lrn: no, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[03:49] <lrn> so only apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?
[03:49] <dkg> I've to give a talk. it will be bad without a running windowmanager.
[03:49] <dkg> help me, please..
[03:49] <maswan> daniels: with ipw2100 module load
[03:49] <Kamion> lrn: see the wiki page for additional instructions
[03:49] <MarcN> My laptop is running debian/sarge and I'm using grub.  Will installing warty in a free partition going to trash my current grub install?  
[03:49] <maswan> Kamion: btw, sorry about the double mail, I just thought of it after sending the mail.
[03:50] <daniels> maswan: loaded, or rmmod'ed?
[03:50] <Kamion> MarcN: it'll overwrite it, but it should suck the configuration out of your existing grub install
[03:50] <Kamion> maswan: no problem
[03:50] <dkg> I#ll doo a apt-get upgrade
[03:51] <MarcN> Kamion: so I if I want to ditch warty (I'm sure it is wonderful), just boot my current sarge and run grub-install?
[03:51] <dkg> hopefully its working afterwards.
[03:51] <Daidoji> where i must see to get my soundcard propertie under ubuntu ?
[03:51] <maswan> daniels: Well, it is what is loaded when running, and I just verified that the rmmod line in suspend.sh does remove that from lsmod listing.
[03:51] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:51] <bipolar> I'd like to make a suguestion to the packagers. Dump gpilot and switch to using multisync. :)
[03:51] <Kamion> MarcN: believe so (either that or update-grub)
[03:51] <Kamion> probably grub-install
[03:52] <maswan> daniels: This time resume worked, the next line is PM: [something something] , after the cpufreq line. But you probably know that.
[03:54] <MarcN> Kamion: I'll give it a try later.  (and will be back if it fscks up my laptop ;-)
[03:54] <Kamion> MarcN: heh
[03:57] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser
[03:57] <jacob> Is there some kind of up2date notifyer in development, similar to FedoraCores up2date-applet ?
[03:57] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 
[03:58] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser
[03:58] <daniels> maswan: yeah
[03:59] <maswan> daniels: down to 1 failure out of 5 resumes now. :)
[03:59] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser graphical greeter
[04:00] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 
[04:00] <SavuZiil> how can i install mp3 codec in ubuntu
[04:01] <mirak_-> savuziil, enable the universe.....and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:02] <SavuZiil> enable the universe??
[04:03] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 
[04:04] <iminj> Hi: I need some post-installation help with my soundcard ... sb awe64.  It wasn't recognized by unbuntu
[04:05] <jaldhar> Does Canonicals free CD offer apply to anywhere in the world?
[04:06] <cpark> I believe it does, not 100% sure though.
[04:07] <iminj> I did modprobe snd-sbawe, and now I have sound, HOW do I get this into /etc/modules so it will stay permanent
[04:07] <Treenaks> iminj: sudo nano /etc/modules
[04:07] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP 
[04:08] <Treenaks> lrn: what's FXP
[04:08] <jaldhar> cpark: I know some Indian developers who want to do Debian related stuff but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive.  So I'm suggesting they use Ubuntu instead.
[04:08] <jaldhar> Treenaks: the betamax of file transfer
[04:08] <lrn> transfer files from one FTP to other FTP
[04:08] <Treenaks> lrn: ah, l33t h4x0rw4r3z
[04:08] <moyote> Has anyone gotten xmms to work out of the box?? 
[04:09] <cpark> jaldhar: Ahhh...cool. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure, but if they (or you) order CD's from ShipIt! I'm sure that if Canonical won't ship to India they will let you know.
[04:09] <lrn> Treenaks lol no
[04:09] <lrn> im not an hacker :P
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn: 
[04:09] <lrn> just want to move some files from my ftp to another ftp of mine
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn: I didn't say hacker, I said h4x0r
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn: there's a difference there
[04:09] <lrn> i don`t know it
[04:09] <Treenaks> http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/
[04:10] <iminj> Treenaks: i did sudo nano /etc/modules ... but my snd-sbawe not on the list of modules
[04:11] <Treenaks> iminj: add it!
[04:11] <vstansvik> Hi, where would I turn if I'm interested in helping translating ubuntu to swedish?
[04:12] <iminj> Treenaks: which part of the file is editblr? sorry, I'm 99% noob
[04:12] <iminj> editable
[04:13] <jaldhar> vstansvik: actual packages or other Ubuntu materials?
[04:13] <Treenaks> iminj: just add it at the end
[04:14] <iminj> seems only the top [part of the file can be written on .. the list of modules can't be edited?
[04:14] <vstansvik> jaldhar: how is the changes ubuntu has made to gnome stored? is there a CVS/arch repository with patches or what?
[04:15] <Kamion> vstansvik: there will be eventually (and likewise, a good translation infrastructure will be up eventually, we have people working on it)
[04:16] <Kamion> vstansvik: for the moment, we're just doing it by steam, by uploading Debian source packages
[04:16] <jaldhar> Kamion: would you know off hand if Canonical will ship CDs to India?
[04:17] <daniels> jaldhar: it might take a while, but they will get there
[04:18] <vstansvik> Kamion: okay. that sounds great.
[04:19] <MyKq3> when i m trying to run a program with hebrew support i resive this error from the sys  Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.      Using the fallback 'C' locale.** Message: found NET_WM. now i have fixed my loacls and i don't find any ralevent info on google .... any idea ?
[04:19] <jaldhar> daniels: thanks.  There are some Indian developers interested in Debian but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive for them.  So I thought Ubuntu would be a good fit for them
[04:20] <daniels> jaldhar: awesome
[04:21] <jeld> hello all
[04:21] <Treenaks> jaldhar: doesn't ubuntu involve as much apt-getting as debian stable?
[04:22] <iminj> Need help editing /etc/modules. Did sudo nano /etc/modules, entered the missing module (my sound card). Now, HOW do I save this change ?
[04:22] <MyKq3> :/
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: it has been saved
[04:23] <vstansvik> Kamion: any time estimate on "eventually"?
[04:23] <polok_> I'm off to bed
[04:23] <jaldhar> Treenaks: hopefully the six-month releases will be doable.  then they will be at best only a few months behind rather than three years
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: you can either reboot (so the module will be loaded) or load the module, using sudo modprobe snd-awe
[04:23] <Treenaks> jaldhar: true, true
[04:23] <polok_> g'night everyone
[04:23] <iminj> Treenaks .. so I just enter the line, and close the file?
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: add a line, save the file
[04:23] <iminj> amd then rebootz?
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: then close the editor
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: well, you don't have to reboot
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: just sudo modprobe <the line you just added>
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: but are you really sure it isn't autoloaded (plug & play drivers tend to auto-load)
[04:24] <iminj> Treenaks .... nope it never autoloaded snd-sbawe ...
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: well, sudo modprobe snd-sbawe then
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: that should work
[04:25] <leyman> hi everyone
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: if you've saved /etc/modules, it'll get re-loaded when you reboot
[04:26] <iminj> ahh ... how do i save the modified /etc/modules?
[04:26] <jaldhar> lminj: in nano it is CTRL-X
[04:26] <bipolar> now that warty is out, is HoaryHedgehog ready for testing?
[04:27] <vstansvik> Is there an apt repository usable with ubuntu that has MonoDevelop?
[04:27] <leyman> tried to install ubuntu the other day but the (manual) partitioning tool told me my existing /home partition could not be used, any ideas?
[04:27] <vstansvik> I tested one that someone posted in an osnews comment, but it seemed to be down or something...
[04:27] <leyman> vstansvik, http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[04:29] <iminj> after CTRL-X, I am asked if i want to save the buffer ... I said 'Y'. Now it offers various append prepend backup choices ... 
[04:29] <green_> hi all i couldnt find where is the samba server executable file? i mean how to start/stop/restart smbd ?? thank in adv.
[04:30] <iminj> which choice should i pick?
[04:30] <henrj> can someone tell me how do i enable apache on ubuntu? I couldnt find the conf file in /etc and i dont see the service in /etc/init.d
[04:30] <henrj> ?
[04:30] <vstansvik> leyman: thanks, but what should I set the "Distribution" and "Section" fields to (in synaptic) ?
[04:31] <WW> Hello world.
[04:31] <moyote> :-)
[04:32] <leyman> vstansvik, i don't know, i'm running fedora still, try to just put the line in synaptic and see what happens... 
[04:32] <WW> Quick question (maybe?): How do I enable quicktime in Firefox? (A pointer to a FAQ/Howto would be fine.)
[04:33] <vstansvik> leyman: ok.
[04:33] <iminj> Can anyone help me finish editing my /etc/modules .. using nano? I added the missing module, acceptd "Y" to add the buffer change. Now I have another screen of various options ......
[04:34] <loz> WW: difficult in some ways.  What you need to get is mplayer and mplayer-plugin or mplayerplug-in (I forget which it's called).  You need to compile them from source, but read the mplayer FAQ/Howto for quicktime support, then mplayer plugin does the embedded media player (handles wmv etc. too) and is coming along nicely with proper support.  -- there is the added bonus of right click and save to ;)
[04:35] <vstansvik> leyman: hmm. the url you gave med doesn't seem to be a valid repository (no dists directory etc)
[04:36] <mikedo> Can't get my sound :(. I have ISA Soundblaster 16 anybody?
[04:36] <WW> loz: I have the mplayer package from marillat's repository installed.  Can I use that?  (OK to tell me RTFM :-)
[04:36] <Kamion> vstansvik: no idea of timescales; I'm not involved in that side of things.
[04:36] <jaldhar> lminj: you want to select the overwrite option.  
[04:36] <Kamion> bipolar: no, not yet
[04:36] <vstansvik> Kamion: okay
[04:37] <port7> installing vmware on ubuntu, it needs kernel headers
[04:37] <iminj> jaldhar: i see "to files" .... also append .. which one?
[04:37] <port7> can't find the right kernel headers in universe
[04:37] <Kamion> port7: not in universe.
[04:37] <Kamion> port7: linux-headers-*; they're on the CD, even.
[04:37] <port7> ta
[04:37] <henrj> vstansvik, go here: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:37] <henrj> vstansvik, for your mono question
[04:38] <port7> Kamion: will have a look
[04:38] <jaldhar> lminj: I guess to files.  I hate how nano cuts things off like that
[04:38] <iminj> i'll try it ..
[04:39] <jdw> I just installed ubuntu, and it *rocks*. I did have a problem with my wireless card though. It worked for install, but now the interface is not recognized by the OS
[04:40] <jdw> Dell C640
[04:40] <iminj> I'm gonna reboot, and see if my sound card loads
[04:40] <iminj> ciao
[04:41] <loz> WW: does mplayer that you have play quicktime.  if not might just need codecs, otherwise go to mplayer homepage.  You'll still need to get mplayer plugin which is independant as it just calls it (i think)
[04:43] <henrj> Need help setting up apache in Ubuntu, someone who can put me in the right direction?
[04:45] <mikedo> Anybody knows what file to modify to get sound on my box. It's ISA soundblaster 16. I did some changes to /etc/modules.conf and it worked for a while till i upgraded system
[04:46] <WW> loz: I'm not sure--I'll play around with mplayer and read the docs.  Thanks for your help.
[04:46] <loz> WW: no problem
[04:47] <henrj> I've installed apache2 and the problem is solved. It seems that Ubuntu doesn't support apache 1.3.
[04:48] <ccox> hello
[04:48] <ccox> hey I was wondering if somone could help me with an issue I am having with alsa?
[04:49] <ccox> hey I was wondering if somone could help me with an issue I am having with alsa?
[04:50] <acamargo> ccox, please, ask your question and wait... if someone is able to answer you, I think he/she will :-)
[04:50] <ccox> ok
[04:50] <dablitz_> I was wondering if someone here can give me a hand mounting a usb stick
[04:51] <ccox> is there any way to pass options to a device configured through hotplug? Problem is I need to pass ac7_quirk to the module but hotplug auto configures it
[05:02] <maswan> daniels: hmm.. I was just about to say "seems to be over, just that one out of ten now", but I just got another non-resume. :)
[05:08] <dablitz_> I was wondering if someone here can give me a hand mounting a usb stick
[05:08] <dablitz_> please
[05:09] <jdw> dablitz: do you see the stick being detected by the kernel when you plug it in?
[05:09] <dablitz_> no
[05:10] <jdw> are the USB modules loaded?
[05:10] <dablitz_> when i plug it in, I get nothing but the light comming on
[05:10] <skar> hi, how do i update a particular deb package?
[05:11] <dablitz_> but when I plug in any of my ther usb devices they work
[05:12] <jdw> In order to do a USB memory device, the scsi disk subsystem needs to be loaded. The stick will appear as a SCSI disk.
[05:13] <stvn> skar: apt-get update to get the latest versions and than you can select the package for upgrading by hand with aptitude or synaptic, or just do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade everything
[05:13] <dablitz_> ok thnaks
[05:13] <cenerentola> halo ppl
[05:14] <cenerentola> another warty-question
[05:14] <cenerentola> how can i edit system files
[05:14] <cenerentola> ?
[05:14] <cenerentola> i mean if i open them with gedit, it's read-only
[05:15] <jdw> dablitz: good luck.
[05:15] <submax> hello, is there an italian person????
[05:15] <cenerentola> me
[05:15] <L3th3M> hi to all!
[05:16] <L3th3M> I can start root session
[05:16] <ajame> which kernel on warty?
[05:16] <L3th3M> because the password is bad
[05:16] <cenerentola> you don't need it
[05:16] <ajame> 2.6.8.1?
[05:17] <L3th3M> but when I write su - on a terminar, it enter without problems
[05:17] <cenerentola> lethem: just use your user pwd
[05:17] <plovs_work> Kamion, I also send this to ubuntu-devel, but what i do not like about the wbside is not being able to edit it...
[05:17] <plovs_work> Kamion, static sites are so nineties :)
[05:17] <L3th3M> but cups (localhost:631) requires the root access
[05:18] <L3th3M> what?happen with the root session on ubuntu?
[05:18] <L3th3M> this is a bug of ubuntu?
[05:18] <Kamion> plovs_work: like I say, I think there's a plan to fix that one way or another.
[05:19] <L3th3M> who can answer me?
[05:19] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok, nice to hear
[05:20] <plovs_work> Kamion, it's just that i had been fighting with nfs and then it was there on the web-site! i lost a whole hour of my life!
[05:20] <plovs_work> Kamion, anyway ... no big deal
[05:20] <Kamion> ajame: yes.
[05:20] <Kamion> L3th3M: use sudo, with your password.
[05:21] <Kamion> L3th3M: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:22] <plovs_work> L3th3M, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:22] <skar> stvn:gnubiff 1.4 is the latest in the ubuntu repository, while 2.0.2 has been released with a lot of bug fixes, can i add debian unstable to the apt repository list and install it?
[05:23] <L3th3M> thank you Kamien
[05:23] <meff> skar: heh bad idea
[05:24] <ajame> Kamion, but 2.6.9 is out? why not use?
[05:24] <meff> ajame: im assuming its too new/needs more testing
[05:24] <skar> meff:any other idea to upgrade gnubiff to the latest version, except downloading the source and installing it?
[05:25] <Kamion> ajame: it came out like two days before we released, dude :)
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: actually the same day :-)
[05:25] <Kamion> ajame: would've been total release management insanity to switch to it
[05:25] <Kamion> The latest stable version of the 2.6.9           2004-10-18  F V VI C Changelog
[05:25] <meff> skar: wait for the hoary repos to open?
[05:25] <Kamion> I make that two days before, but whatever
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: at least the mail to -announce ;)
[05:25] <skar> meff:hoary repos, where can i read more about that?
[05:26] <Kamion> skar: you probably can't usefully yet
[05:26] <fabbione> skar: wiki 
[05:26] <skar> fabbione:ok, thanx
[05:27] <ajame> meff, so kernel package is in testing / restr.. / other now?
[05:28] <ajame> repos
[05:28] <meff> ajame: for 2.6.9? i guess it'd be in hoary.. though im no ubuntu dev :)
[05:28] <ajame> hoary?
[05:28] <stvn> skar: if you know what you are doing you can install the packege with dpkg -i <package> but it might result in major breakage
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: it's not anywhere yet, because we haven't started up the next release's development repository.
[05:29] <ajame> i remembler at doc , has only main / restri.. / and testing?
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: be patient :)
[05:29] <Kamion> testing?
[05:29] <ajame> meff: hoary?
[05:29] <Kamion> that's a Debian thing, not Ubuntu
[05:29] <stvn> skar: I just migrated 3 debian-sarge computers to ubuntu, had to do quite some hand picking of packages to ensure it would use the ubuntu packages, it's very tedious and I won't recommend it
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: hoary = the next Ubuntu release
[05:29] <skar> stvn:you mean "dpkg -i deb_url_path"?
[05:30] <stvn> skar: nah, download the package and use the path
[05:30] <stvn> skar: but check for dependencies, since dpkg -i does not fix those for you 
[05:31] <skar> stvn:btw, added unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-get update" and "apt-get install gnubuff" installed 2.0.1, though 2.0.2 would've been ideal, now it can access my imaps folders correctly
[05:31] <talon906> i just installed ubuntu and during startup in boots to the command line rather than gui. how do I change the option to boot to gui since this is my first distro
[05:31] <skar> stvn:ok, i get it, may not run due to missing or wrong lib versions right?
[05:32] <stvn> skar: yep
[05:32] <Kamion> talon906: something must have gone wrong, GUI startup is the default
[05:32] <Kamion> talon906: unless you booted with 'custom' (if you don't know what I'm talking about, you didn't)
[05:32] <stvn> skar: but adding unstable to the apt-sources will do the trick as well, but you have a bigger risk 'accidently' destroying your system
[05:32] <talon906> ahh..  okay, I'll attempt a reinstall then..  thanks
[05:32] <stvn> skar: check very carefully what packages it is going to install
[05:34] <L3th3M> no working...
[05:34] <L3th3M> I can start root session
[05:36] <ajame> Kamion, thank 
[05:38] <ajame> and can i download kernel source and become tester on my machine on ubutun?
[05:39] <skar> stvn:i updated gnubiff, then commented out unstable again ;)
[05:39] <fluxy_> Hello. 
[05:39] <stvn> skar: yep
[05:39] <ajame> and does it require any specifics?
[05:41] <fluxy_> Hey I downloaded the live Ubuntu cd i386 but it doesn't work!
[05:43] <kent> fluxy_, what dont work?
[05:44] <fluxy_> It loads, I can see the progress bar filled, but then the screen goes black and my monitor off!
[05:44] <cenerentola> can i use a debian repository for ubuntu?
[05:45] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: Yes, but it's really not recommended.
[05:45] <cenerentola> why
[05:45] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: It's in the FAQ, I think.
[05:45] <darkersatanic> Basically, there are packages with the same version numbers that aren't the same.
[05:45] <darkersatanic> This confuses apt.
[05:46] <cenerentola> but the universe thing is like a normal testing or stable or unstable debian repository?
[05:46] <ajame> ?
[05:46] <L3th3M> how to install gdesklets from apt?
[05:46] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: It's a separate repo of packages,
[05:46] <cenerentola> ahhh ok
[05:46] <darkersatanic> supplementing the packages in main and restricted.
[05:47] <darkersatanic> So main, restricted and universe are all at the same "level" of development.
[05:47] <darkersatanic> Just different levels of freeness and support.
[05:47] <chowells> ah. I was stupid and installed xp without checking whether grub was on the MBR or not first.. I really don't know how to use grub (was a fan of lilo), what's the best way of getting it back?
[05:47] <L3th3M> I want gdesklets, but for apt...
[05:48] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: Its in synaptic but I don't know how it works
[05:49] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: I installed it once from synaptic/apt but when clicking on the icon in the applications menu nothing happens, and I'm to lazy to read the documentation.
[05:49] <L3th3M> ok
[05:49] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: have you enabled universe?
[05:50] <kagou> hi
[05:50] <L3th3M> mo
[05:50] <L3th3M> what is it?
[05:50] <Kamion> darkersatanic: and multiverse to fill out the fourth bit of the quadrant
[05:50] <darkersatanic> Kamion: Thanks. I haven't read up about multiverse much.
[05:50] <L3th3M> I can start root session!
[05:51] <L3th3M> fuck me!
[05:51] <Kamion> multiverse == unsupported/non-free
[05:51] <Kamion> (basically)
[05:51] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: in synaptic go to settings --> repisiotories and enable everthing, then click on reload and then do a search for gdesktlets.
[05:51] <L3th3M> yes
[05:52] <L3th3M> thank you
[05:53] <L3th3M> I need star the root sesion for configure cups, but I can do it
[05:53] <ajame> does ubuntu use deb file format?
[05:53] <L3th3M> * I Can do it
[05:53] <L3th3M> * I cannot do it
[05:53] <ajame> ?
[05:54] <L3th3M> I need start the root session
[05:54] <L3th3M> but I cannot do it
[05:54] <L3th3M> its very important
[05:54] <tseng> L3th3M: read the FAQ
[05:54] <tseng> ajame: yes
[05:54] <L3th3M> where?
[05:54] <tseng>  /topic
[05:55] <Kamion> L3th3M: people have already given you URLs above
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:21 < Kamion> L3th3M: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:22 < plovs_work> L3th3M, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:57] <ajame> which iso file i would download if i want install ubuntu on my hd?
[05:57] <Kamion> ajame: warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:58] <ajame> petium4/ram128mb/nvdia
[06:01] <L3th3M> how to give permisse for configure cups?
[06:01] <L3th3M> whats is the group?
[06:03] <cenerentola> sorry folks... i've got some problems with mount
[06:03] <cenerentola> when i try to mount a fat32 partition with /dev/hdb1 /media/data
[06:04] <cenerentola> it all goes well but whem i open nautilus it says that all the files have a 0 byte lenght
[06:04] <ccox> hey does anyone know how to remove a package without also removing ubunto-desktop?
[06:04] <stvn> cenerentola: checked your permissions?
[06:04] <ccox> I want to apt-get remove gaim but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:04] <stvn> ccox: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, can savely be removed once it is installed
[06:05] <ccox> ahhhh okay. Just wondering cuz I wanted to compile latest gaim
[06:05] <stvn> ccox: as long as it is only ubuntu-desktop, if it produces a large list, it's bad
[06:05] <cenerentola> and all the things, files and directories, are shown like files... with the gnome foot on them
[06:05] <cenerentola> what should i do?
[06:05] <stvn> cenerentola: your permissions are wrong
[06:06] <stvn> cenerentola: with the mount command add -o umask=000 or add the mount to /etc/fstab and allow users to mount it and mount it as user
[06:06] <ccox> hey has anyone heard of the program called paco?
[06:06] <cenerentola> coul you plz give the complete command
[06:07] <ajame> ccox: pico?
[06:07] <stvn> cenerentola: how did you mount it?
[06:07] <ccox> no paco
[06:07] <stvn> I know a dog called paco ;)
[06:07] <cenerentola> mount /dev/hdb1 /media/data
[06:07] <ccox> it keeps track of all software you compile manually and puts them in a list so you can uninstall them easily
[06:07] <ccox> works really well
[06:08] <stvn> cenerentola: unmount it and try mount -o umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/data - but if you need it on a regular basis, it's better to add it to /etc/fstab
[06:08] <cenerentola> ok thanks
[06:09] <siretart> Kamion: do you remember my problem with parted not showing partitions? my part. table was b0rked. I fixed it with sfdisk. i think #2412 is the same problem. perhaps partman should tell the user that the partition table is "bad"
[06:09] <ccox> anyhoo you can get it at paco.sourceforge.net. Just wanted to share a great program
[06:09] <cenerentola> really big thanks
[06:09] <stvn> ccox: i stick to aptitude ;)
[06:09] <stvn> np
[06:10] <ccox> ya its great but doesnt have latest software
[06:10] <ccox> I just use paco for the stuff where I need updated software like gaim 1.0.2
[06:11] <bipolar> ccox: you could also use checkinstall to make a deb.
[06:11] <stvn> ccox: if you really want the latest (without compiling) you might want debian experimental or wait for hoarty
[06:12] <ajame> stvn, i always type aptdude 
[06:12] <ccox> hey maybe I should just make debs and put it in a repository?
[06:12] <stvn> ajame: heh, actually I type "apti<tab> u"
[06:14] <ajame> stvn, what aptitdue is? can't remembler
[06:14] <ajame> remember
[06:14] <stvn> ajame: aptitude is the ncurses based package manager
[06:15] <stvn> ajame: it is one of the best deb managers, I prefer it over synaptic, since I can use it on ssh sessions, saves a lot of walking to distant PCs
[06:18] <treyh0> nice gstreamer-mad makes my laptop hang cause its so cpu intensive
[06:19] <stvn> treyh0: don't use it then ;)
[06:19] <treyh0> i can't
[06:20] <ajame> stvn, "...ssh sessions" = access to a server has many debs..over ssh and scp?
[06:20] <stvn> treyh0: if you need it for mp3s, use another mp3 player, like beep-media-player
[06:20] <deFrysk> does fileroller have a bug ?
[06:20] <treyh0> hm cool never heard of that
[06:21] <stvn> ajame: not exactly, I have an apt-cache installed on the lan and ssh into other machines, it will retrieve the debs like normal, only it will try the cache first
[06:21] <cenerentola> stvn: what options whould i use in fstab
[06:21] <stvn> treyh0: it is the gtk2 version of xmms
[06:21] <stvn> cenerentola: do you want it to be mounted at boot up?
[06:22] <cenerentola> stvn: yes
[06:22] <stvn> cenerentola: /dev/hdb1 /media/data  vfat defaults 0 0
[06:23] <ajame> stvn, remote other maachines?
[06:23] <cenerentola> stvn: thx
[06:23] <ajame> stvn, remote access other maachines?
[06:23] <stvn> cenerentola: if you change the permissions/ownership of /media/data to something sensible it will be accessible by everyone you want
[06:25] <stvn> ajame: yeah, I administer 4 other machines here, got 1 server without monitor/keyboard, so ssh is a nice and secure way to login from a distance and administer it
[06:26] <treyh0> stvn: its cool, but for some reason none of the players can decode id3 tags :/
[06:27] <stvn> treyh0: seems like you miss a id3library
[06:27] <ajame> stvn, thanks
[06:28] <treyh0> got them all installed (just not the editors, just libs)
[06:29] <stvn> treyh0: sure it has tags? never had a problem here
[06:31] <treyh0> hm its possible, a radio stream... maybe they were disabled
[06:31] <stvn> treyh0: ah yeah, radio streams don't work
[06:31] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend any answering machine software for linux ?
[06:32] <treyh0> hrm i wonder why
[06:32] <treyh0> on my box @ work it does
[06:32] <treyh0> but its not ubuntu
[06:32] <treyh0> its crash happy fedora
[06:33] <RubenV> Hi
[06:33] <stvn> treyh0: i'm not sure either, I never noticed that streams didn't have id tags, and now I've got ubuntu so can't check if it's an ubuntu thing or a general thing
[06:33] <RubenV> I'm installing ubuntu on my sister's laptop
[06:33] <RubenV> but every time I close the lid
[06:33] <Despair> treyh0: gxine seems to decode tags in streams just fine
[06:33] <RubenV> the whole box freezes
[06:33] <RubenV> any way to disable the lid thing alltogether?
[06:33] <treyh0> Despair: cool
[06:33] <RubenV> rather have the screen not responding to the lid button then a dying box
[06:35] <MK|> erm, i am about to install ubuntu, i am jus wondering if it supports speedtouch usb? and how to get it working?
[06:36] <stvn> RubenV: does it happen during install, or you have it fully installed now?
[06:36] <RubenV> it's fully installed
[06:36] <RubenV> i figure i could just tell her not to close the lid while running
[06:36] <RubenV> but that's a half ass solution
[06:37] <Tux234> A Coppermine Celeron is a 386 or 686?
[06:37] <stvn> treyh0: 686
[06:37] <stvn> Tux234: 686
[06:37] <bipolar> is anyone here running groupwise and connecting with evolution?
[06:37] <Tux234> THX!
[06:37] <MK|> erm, i am about to install ubuntu, i am jus wondering if it supports speedtouch usb? and how to get it working?
[06:38] <RubenV> stvn: it even happens during bootup, before the acpid is running
[06:38] <RubenV> in gentoo it didn't pose a problem at all
[06:38] <stvn> RubenV: there are ways to disable it, like not enabling acpi
[06:38] <Despair> RubenV: you might try booting with noacpi on the command line
[06:38] <RubenV> but then she would have no battery status whatsoever
[06:38] <RubenV> that's even worse
[06:39] <afonit> where in the filesystem does the slave hard drive show up in?
[06:39] <Despair> RubenV: suspend issues are fun. Every bios gets something different wrong...
[06:39] <stvn> RubenV: can't you disable suspend in the bios?
[06:40] <RubenV> I have the same laptop running gentoo
[06:40] <RubenV> lid works fine here
[06:40] <Despair> RubenV: what kernel in gentoo?
[06:40] <stvn> RubenV: check what modules gentoo loads and check those of ubuntu
[06:40] <RubenV> 2.6.8.1-mm2
[06:40] <Despair> ah, that'd be why.
[06:41] <Despair> there's been a lot of acpi and suspend work happening since 2.6.8.1
[06:41] <RubenV> ok, so i'll just tell her not to close the lid for now
[06:41] <RubenV> and hope it'll be fixed someday :)
[06:41] <MK|> can the speedtouch usb modem work on ubuntu?
[06:42] <stvn> RubenV: or install a newer kernel (I don't think warty will recieve one)
[06:42] <stvn> MK|: checked the wiki?
[06:43] <RubenV> stvn: can i find a kernel similar to the ubuntu one (same modules etc) somewhere?
[06:43] <afonit> do you guys know where in the filesystem a secondary hard drive would show up?
[06:43] <MK|> what a wiki?
[06:43] <RubenV> also, i'm getting a few kernel errors on bootup
[06:43] <RubenV> during the hotplug section
[06:44] <stvn> RubenV: you could get one from debian I presume, but I think ubuntu has some different settings, but I don't know
[06:45] <stvn> RubenV: those about shpchp and piehp? I get them as well, I just ignore them
[06:45] <RubenV> yes, those
[06:45] <RubenV> and hw_random
[06:46] <stvn> RubenV: haven't discovered yet if they're harmful, but I don't think so
[06:48] <RubenV> hmmm
[06:48] <RubenV> every time it powers down, it makes a cracking sound
[06:48] <RubenV> is it possible that ubuntu doesn't turn down the volume before rebooting?
[06:49] <Despair> RubenV: possibly. that should be scriptable, though.
[06:49] <RubenV> i'll just add a mute line in the alsa down script
[06:49] <RubenV> should go in by default though i think, can't be healthy for the speakers
[06:50] <Despair> some sound cards don't crack like that. but yes, it's a reasonable default behavior
[06:50] <WW> RubenV: Hey, I get that noise on my desktop computer.  Could you add a short "HowTo" to the wiki?
[06:51] <treyh0> stvn: yay beep media player shows the stream titles :)
[06:51] <mxpxpod> how do I create a dummy package in ubuntu?  I have a test version of n-c-b installed but I would like totem-gstreamer installed (which relies on n-c-b)
[06:51] <Kamion> equivs?
[06:52] <mxpxpod> Kamion: oh, right
[06:52] <stvn> treyh0: what did you do?
[06:52] <treyh0> enable shoutcast title streaming in the mp3 options
[06:55] <stvn> treyh0: hm, doesn't seem to make much difference here, but I could see the title and artist already anyway
[06:55] <treyh0> :/
[06:56] <stvn> ah well, never mind, hardly ever stream nowadays, most of the time I use the samba mount of the colelction
[06:56] <neur0mancer> hi people. can u help me? i've got a problem with the default rhythmbox installation from Warty 4.10
[06:56] <tvon|x31> Anyone have issues getting libxslt dev installed?
[06:56] <stvn> neur0mancer: being?
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: i know that there is no mp3 plugin for it. am I right?
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <treyh0> install gstreamer-mad
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: basically you need to install the gstreamer-mad library
[06:57] <treyh0> neur0mancer
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: so if I install it, i can play mp3s from it?
[06:57] <stvn> treyh0: won't work, you need the universe as well
[06:57] <neur0mancer> ...
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: yep
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: so if I install it, i can play mp3s from rhythmbox?
[06:57] <neur0mancer> ok
[06:58] <neur0mancer> thanks
[06:58] <ulisse> Hi all
[06:58] <ulisse> how are you?
[06:58] <_anderson_> Hello channel.
[06:58] <ulisse> do you refere to me with "channel"?
[06:59] <ulisse> I logged as "ulisse"
[06:59] <neur0mancer> lol
[06:59] <_anderson_> -> ulisse: No by channel I meant all.
[06:59] <ulisse> ;-)
[07:00] <ulisse> It was a joke, I am a newbie but not SO newbie...
[07:00] <stvn> :)
[07:00] <_anderson_> If someone can gimme a sources.list with pointers to mplayer, java repositry  it would be helpful to me.
[07:00] <ulisse> So, let me explain my problem:
[07:00] <ulisse> Since yesterday I am unable to update Ubuntu via Synaptic
[07:00] <stvn> _anderson_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats for mplayer
[07:01] <FluFlo> hi, I have a problem installing kernel sources
[07:01] <FluFlo> i have  2.6.8.1-3-k7 image installed
[07:01] <FluFlo> but i cant find the corresponding  sources
[07:01] <FluFlo> the latest i see are 2.6.7
[07:01] <joolz> hm, can't rhytmbox plays wavs?
[07:01] <joolz> weird
[07:02] <FluFlo> any idea?
[07:02] <ulisse> I update the list, but when I push "Select all updates", no updates are available.
[07:02] <_anderson_> # This is my sources.list
[07:02] <_anderson_> # These are mostly Debian Sid sources. Most of the good stuff is
[07:02] <_anderson_> # unsupported by the Canonical folk, so please don't waste their
[07:02] <_anderson_> # time if you are having problems with some non-free stuff.
[07:02] <_anderson_> # You want this file to replace /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:02] <_anderson_> # Then do a 'sudo apt-get update' for it to take effect.
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:02] <_anderson_> # tseng's cool mono repository. Get muine, it rocks.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[07:03] <_anderson_> # This is for illegal stuff. You want w32codecs for sure, and the mplayer stuff,
[07:03] <_anderson_> # make sure you snag totem-xine from universe, and you'll be able to play
[07:03] <_anderson_> # anything. Don't blame me if this is illegal in your country, heh.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:03] <_anderson_> # Java. apt-get install j2sdk to get the sun stuff. Kind of slow,
[07:03] <_anderson_> # but if you use Java, you're already used to slow. :p
[07:03] <_anderson_> # run ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[07:03] <_anderson_> # to get java working in the browser.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[07:03] <_anderson_> # freepops
[07:03] <Kamion> _anderson_: please don't do that
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://tassi.web.cs.unibo.it/debian/freepops-sid ./
[07:03] <_anderson_> This is my sources.list
[07:03] <_anderson_> But a lot of packages are not installing.
[07:03] <_anderson_> It is reported that there is no installation candidate or something like that.
[07:03] <stvn> Kamion: prolly too late already
[07:03] <Kamion> stvn: I know
[07:03] <lamont> FluFlo: it's called linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:03] <lamont> apt-cache search linux-source
[07:04] <FluFlo> lamont, Ill chekit rigth now
[07:04] <inklingx> nice flood mr _anderson_ ;)
[07:04] <stvn> _anderson_: tsk!! - anyway it appears you have debian and ubuntu repositories mixed
[07:04] <vanguardist> hhmm there's no ubuntu ppc channel...?
[07:04] <treyh0> _anderson_: is that on a http somewhere?
[07:04] <lamont> vanguardist: that'd be #ubuntu
[07:05] <vanguardist> heh well my ibook does not wake up from sleep
[07:05] <vanguardist> screen lights up, i see some text then it freezes
[07:05] <_anderson_> I took that sources.list from website.
[07:05] <Despair> 2.6.8.1 seems to have sleep/suspend problems for a fair number of laptops.
[07:05] <mdz> vanguardist: #1940
[07:05] <vanguardist> crap
[07:06] <ulisse> Someone can help me with updates?
[07:06] <_anderson_> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[07:06] <_anderson_> But using this source, a lot of packages are not installing.
[07:06] <FluFlo> lamont, thanks. It? done now. I was looking for kernel-source. That was my error
[07:06] <treyh0> stvn: hey rhythmbox shows the stream titles too. neat.
[07:06] <WW> ulisse: Does _anything_ happen when you press Reload?
[07:07] <lamont> FluFlo: np
[07:07] <treyh0> _anderson_: thanks
[07:07] <ulisse> Yes, it relaods the packing lists, but I think the operation is too fast
[07:07] <lamont> FluFlo: it was renamed to linux-source to make room for multix-source at some possible future date. :-)
[07:07] <ulisse> as if the list is already up to date...
[07:07] <stvn> _anderson_: it's a risk using non-ubuntu sources, I'd suggest to comment the two innovation ones and apt-get update
[07:08] <stvn> ulisse: if you reloaded it already today, it will be fast, there are not /that/ many updates that you'll see changes within a day
[07:08] <WW> ulisse: Are you updating a fresh install?
[07:09] <ulisse> no, I last updated 2 - 3 days ago
[07:09] <WW> ulisse: Not much has changed since then!
[07:09] <_anderson_> stvn: But how do I install mplayer, java, etc?
[07:09] <ulisse> ok, it was all i wanted to know.
[07:09] <stvn> _anderson_: i've that list, without the debian one, I got mplayer and blackdown in my list now
[07:09] <ulisse> In the past weks I found several updates per day,
[07:10] <ulisse> so I thought that there was a trouble in my apt
[07:10] <stvn> :)
[07:10] <_anderson_> stvn: I don't get you. Do you mean this source works?
[07:10] <FluFlo> lamont, actually I see that what i have is sources tar.bz compressed on /usr/src
[07:10] <FluFlo> thats new for me
[07:10] <WW> ulisse: Yeah, update is kind of boring these days :-)
[07:10] <stvn> _anderson_: yep
[07:10] <ulisse> Ok, next question:
[07:11] <stvn> _anderson_: but the debian repository might corrupt the system a bit
[07:11] <ulisse> I have troubles shutting down the PC
[07:11] <FluFlo> lamont, I supose i have to decompress them my own
[07:11] <lamont> FluFlo: it's not pure linus source, and yes, you ahve to tar -xjf ...
[07:11] <_anderson_>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6
[07:11] <_anderson_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:11] <_anderson_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:11] <_anderson_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:11] <_anderson_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:11] <_anderson_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:11] <_anderson_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:11] <_anderson_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:11] <_anderson_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:11] <_anderson_> that package should be filed.
[07:11] <WW> oh boy
[07:11] <_anderson_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:11] <_anderson_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:11] <stvn> _anderson_: don't paste in the chaneel!!
[07:11] <_anderson_>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_>               Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_>               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_> E: Broken packages
[07:12] <_anderson_> What does this error mean?
[07:12] <_anderson_> Okey...
[07:12] <_anderson_> Can I talk to you in person?
[07:12] <stvn> yeah
[07:12] <ulisse> I found some posts about shutdown problems in the unoficial forum...
[07:12] <WW> _anderson_: Try http://pastebin.com/
[07:12] <ulisse> the sistem hangs on "acpi power off called"
[07:13] <ulisse> I want to know what "nolapic" actually does
[07:14] <ulisse> I tried "nolapic pci=noacpi in the menu.lst
[07:14] <ulisse> shutdown worked fine, but mouse, kb, eth not!
[07:14] <stvn> ulisse: did it ever work?
[07:15] <ulisse> It worked fine since last week
[07:15] <vanguardist> hhmm
[07:15] <vanguardist> where can I get some ubuntu kernel sources?
[07:15] <ulisse> It is not an HW problem, with Fedora I can shutdown normally...
[07:16] <vanguardist> i need to move to 2.6.7 or I can't use the laptop
[07:17] <tmp011> hey guys: gotta a question, i have a router which i connect to for internet, i have it as nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. this setup is slow. so i added my ISP's nameserver to resolv.conf, but when i reboot, its gone. i have to manually add nameservers on everyboot, any help? 
[07:18] <ulisse> it worked UNTIL last week, not SINCE... sorry for the english...
[07:19] <stvn> ulisse: you don't remember what was updated just before it stopped working, do you?
[07:19] <ulisse> No, sorry.
[07:21] <stvn> ulisse: you might want to try to add pci=noacpi but not nolapic
[07:21] <ulisse> what actually does "nolapic"?
[07:22] <stvn> ulisse: have no idea
[07:22] <ulisse> :-D
[07:22] <ulisse> Ok I'll try.
[07:23] <stvn> ulisse: it disable local apic (still no idea what that means though)
[07:23] <ulisse> But I manage the system via acpid (for screensaver etc..), will it work with pci=noacpi? 
[07:23] <ulisse> Or I should install apmd?
[07:25] <jacob> I can't any video effects when playing audio files in Totem, anyone else exp. this ?
[07:25] <stvn> ulisse: hm, not sure really, I've had quite some problems with apm and acpi but couldn't really find the logic in when it worked or not
[07:25] <stvn> ulisse: so I'd suggest try some different setups, sorry that I can't help you better
[07:26] <ulisse> Ok, now I'll give it a try, if you won't see me in half an hour, call the police!
[07:26] <stvn> hehe
[07:26] <ulisse> Thanks to all, bye!
[07:27] <retype-s> hello
[07:27] <retype-s> i just finished installing ubuntu, it is really great, but it has some serious flaws also
[07:28] <thursday> i got to say i like the new artwork... 
[07:28] <retype-s> no support for reiserfs in the running kernel made me lose one instalation, as I made the root partition reiserfs
[07:29] <retype-s> thursday, I like it too
[07:29] <Kamion> retype-s: hm, reiserfs is modular and should end up in the initrd if you make the root partition reiserfs; I've done several installations with reiserfs /
[07:30] <retype-s> it gave me a strange error, one that I've never seen
[07:30] <retype-s> it wasnt I have no root and I want to scream
[07:30] <retype-s> the default...
[07:31] <retype-s> it was something strange in the early stages of the but process
[07:31] <retype-s> i've made an ext3 partition for /boot
[07:31] <retype-s> with 42 mb
[07:31] <retype-s> the boot process
[07:31] <retype-s> sorry
[07:32] <LinuxJones> Can someone please install and run chkrootkit. I have 16 hidden processes running and possible  LKM Trojan installed. I am hoping if it is just a false-positive :)
[07:32] <Kamion> I'd expect that to be just kernel threads
[07:33] <retype-s> also I can't make my palm device work
[07:33] <LinuxJones> Kamion, was that directed @ me ?
[07:33] <Kamion> LinuxJones: yep
[07:33] <retype-s> it is showing in the hal-devices ok but It doesn't appear in /dev
[07:34] <LinuxJones> Kamion, ok thanks I had the same problem with Debian just checking :)
[07:34] <green_> hi all
[07:34] <green_> :)
[07:35] <LinuxJones> green_, hello
[07:35] <green_> LinuxJones, ubuntu linux is nice ;)
[07:35] <green_> good for my amd64 box
[07:35] <LinuxJones> green_, I am a very happy man :D
[07:35] <retype-s> anothe problem is with i18n, the open office instaled is in english and so is firefox, for both of wich there exists a pt_BR translation
[07:36] <stvn> retype-s: that's being adressed in haorty
[07:36] <ulisse> Ok, I'm back!
[07:36] <retype-s> stvn, which of the problems?
[07:36] <green_> but there is a missing part in ubuntu it is samba server, but i installed it via synaptic
[07:37] <green_> :)
[07:37] <stvn> retype-s: the i18n
[07:37] <ulisse> I am safe and the solution worked!
[07:37] <Kamion> green_: deliberately not installed by default
[07:37] <retype-s> stvn, thanks... this will be great
[07:37] <ulisse> thanks, see you next problem! ;-)
[07:38] <green_> Kamion, but if you add debian servers to your sources.list file it is nice to see others :)
[07:38] <retype-s> stvn, the thing is that I want to ditch windows in my family computer but my parents don't know any english
[07:38] <green_> now im using KDE and it is working well
[07:38] <zenwhen> why use KDE with such a gnome-centric distro?
[07:39] <stvn> retype-s: ah, it might be possible to get the .pt version of OO.o and firefox installed, not sure though
[07:39] <retype-s> green_, not that you shouldn't but what is the point of using kde with ubuntu
[07:39] <green_> these days we are developing software with qt :)
[07:39] <zenwhen> qt is hoardware
[07:39] <green_> cpp framework i mean
[07:40] <green_> GUI development
[07:40] <Skif> Okay, I have a keyspan USB<->serial adapter.  When I install it, /var/log/syslog says "Required keyspan firmware image (USA19QI) unavailable.
[07:40] <green_> etc
[07:40] <Skif> A) Where can I find this image
[07:40] <retype-s> stvn, I think I will download the firefox binaries for linux and I think debian has the OpenOffice pt_BR translation in unstable
[07:40] <Skif> B) Where do I put it?
[07:40] <stvn> retype-s: otherwise install epiphany, will be good enough for you parents I guess
[07:40] <CoryK> is it possible to install ubuntu from a floppy disk, or at least start the install, and do a network install...
[07:41] <Silvanis> is there a md5sum for the iso image that I can check to make sure I got the file correctly?
[07:41] <LinuxJones> Skif, do you have the keyspan module loaded ?
[07:41] <retype-s> stvn, maybe, but I really hate the usability problems with tabs in epi
[07:41] <retype-s> Silvanis, if you got it with bittorrent it is right
[07:41] <stvn> retype-s: how do you mean?
[07:42] <stvn> Silvanis: the md5sums are listed on the download page
[07:42] <Silvanis> I just downloaded from the http link
[07:42] <retype-s> Silvanis, bittorrent do signature cheking automaticaly, if you haven't got it from bit, you should :)
[07:42] <stvn> Silvanis: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS
[07:42] <Silvanis> and when I try to install it it says the bsdutils package is messed and the install fails
[07:43] <Silvanis> thanks stvn
[07:43] <Skif> LinuxJones: yes, but this device has no firmware on it
[07:43] <retype-s> stvn, epi hides tabs if they take more space than the screen width
[07:43] <Skif> Keyspan 1-1:1.0: Keyspan - (without firmware) converter detected
[07:44] <stvn> retype-s: ah yes, the arrows are not very visible indeed
[07:44] <retype-s> stvn, for me it is a really poor tab implementation
[07:44] <retype-s> stvn, it confuses myself, imagine my mother
[07:45] <stvn> retype-s: you get used to it, I use epiphany as my main browser and when I don't see it directly I just hit the arrow key
[07:45] <LinuxJones> Skif, umm >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2004/01/msg00161.html
[07:45] <guptan> why GDM login screen comes in different resolution than the rest of system. how can I change it to 1028x768?
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: but I do like the way it put new pages next to the current tab, each tab has its own cross and that it is possible to read the tabs, which is not possible in firefox with many tabs open
[07:46] <retype-s> stvn, then you have to make a lot mouse cliks to go to a tab, and I don't want to give motives for then wanting to go back to windows
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: but the last bit is directly related to the arrow-problem
[07:46] <Skif> LinuxJones: thanks, I don't subscribe to d-l
[07:46] <LinuxJones> guptan, gdm displays @ same resolution that X is setup for maybe your fonts are messed up. Look @ gdmsetup
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: most of the time the tab opens next to the current, so it's not that often that it's outside the view, but I do agree that the solution is not the best possible
[07:47] <Skif> LinuxJones: ick, that means I can't use ubuntu's kernel. :(
[07:47] <retype-s> stvn, I never heard of anyone having problems with tabs in firefox... so that excuse is not real
[07:47] <LinuxJones> Skif, unfortunately it looks that way :(
[07:47] <Skif> bummer :(
[07:48] <guptan> LinuxJones: gdm displaying high resolution than 1028x768
[07:48] <stvn> retype-s: heh, that's not a really valid argument to dismiss mine as not real, maybe noone talks to you about it  ;)
[07:48] <udo> hello! My Evolution isnt filtering spam, although i checked both boxes in the preferences. Any1 knows why?
[07:49] <retype-s> stvn, I am really into usability so I ask a lot of people this kind of thing
[07:49] <stvn> retype-s: I do have a problem with it, but it's more a general tab problem, since both systems don't cope very well with large amount of tabs, although the firefox system has the advantage
[07:50] <retype-s> stvn, I never found anyone that 1. don't get confused by it, 2. doesn't like firefox better
[07:50] <retype-s> stvn, I am with you, both have problems with lots of tabs
[07:52] <retype-s> stvn, but the epi way is clearly worse than firefox, it could be a great browser if it wasn't for that
[07:52] <stvn> retype-s: I'm used to epiphany, so I always miss the tab close button on the tab and the 'load new tab naxt to the active one', but it might be personal prefs, and not good usability ;)
[07:52] <CoryK> does ubuntu have a network install from floppy option???
[07:52] <stvn> retype-s: agreed
[07:53] <Nonphasis> stvn, those are available as extensions for ff
[07:53] <LinuxJones> CoryK, not from floppy no
[07:53] <stvn> Nonphasis: ah, hm if I could get that new gnome theme working for ubuntu's firefox I might switch
[07:54] <CoryK> well then i guess i have to use some other distro on my laptop:(
[07:54] <stvn> ff is really nice, it just doesn''t blend as well with gnome as epip does
[07:54] <Nonphasis> stvn, something wrong w/ the current look of ff?
[07:54] <retype-s> CoryK, I have a netboot dir on my ubuntu cd
[07:54] <Nonphasis> ah... this ff seems to blend just fine
[07:54] <retype-s> CoryK, I don't know if it works at all
[07:54] <CoryK> i need to boot from floppy...
[07:54] <CoryK> my laptop has an external cd drive
[07:54] <stvn> Nonphasis: I like it to look gnome-ish, but the main problem is the save dialogue, but i guess a theme will not fix that
[07:54] <retype-s> Nonphasis, it blends, but it is not gtk native
[07:55] <Nonphasis> old ff didn't but the new icons are much better and more gtk-ey
[07:55] <Nonphasis> ah, yes, the save dialogue... agree, it sucks
[07:55] <Nonphasis> but these days files are mostly saved automatically to the download dir
[07:56] <retype-s> Nonphasis, users don't want a software to look like their spectations, they want it to behave like one
[07:56] <stvn> that's the big problem with cross platform apps (just like OO.o) their dialogues do not blend into the host OS
[07:56] <diego1> can i use kde with gdm on ubuntu? (ok that was a stupid question...) where can i find the config file to add kde to the gdm session list?
[07:56] <Nonphasis> hmm, one might think making ff use gnome file dialogs should be pretty easy
[07:56] <stvn> diego1: if you install kde, it will added to gdm menu
[07:57] <stvn> +be
[07:57] <diego1> stvn, uh..didn't happen for me. maybe i missed a package?
[07:57] <retype-s> anyone using kde on ubuntu could please explain to me why do that?
[07:58] <Nonphasis> want to have the cake and eat it too?
[07:58] <skaught> hehe
[07:58] <green_> Nonphasis: im using KDE un ubuntu
[07:58] <stvn> diego1: you mean it's not in the list? or it didn't bring you to kde by default?
[07:58] <green_> Nonphasis, :)
[07:58] <diego1> stvn: it's not on the list
[07:58] <Nonphasis> I tried kde as well, but it looked like crap on ebente
[07:59] <bob2> "ebente"?
[07:59] <Nonphasis> ubuntu
[07:59] <LinuxJones> lol
[07:59] <green_> :)
[07:59] <skaught> Why wouldn't you use Debian if you're using KDE?
[07:59] <retype-s> diego1, from where did you install kde?
[07:59] <twitchgame> i would hope that ubuntu would stick to gnome only..
[07:59] <bob2> diego1: installing it isn't enough
[07:59] <Nonphasis> all the cool kids use ubuntu these days? ;-)
[07:59] <bob2> ?
[07:59] <bob2> twitchgame:kde is in universe
[07:59] <stvn> diego1: that's odd, I'd say it should have added it
[07:59] <snazbaz> does ubuntu have a gdesklets package?
[07:59] <green_> i think it looks nice :) a little bit work and its there, nice
[07:59] <diego1> retype-s, from the universal repository...i may have missed a couple packages though..
[07:59] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, you probably have to enable anti-aliasing and adjust fonts in kdecontrol center
[08:00] <twitchgame> bob2: that's too bad then :)
[08:00] <diego1> retype-s, i know for sure i installed kde-base
[08:00] <retype-s> diego1, you never miss anything using apt :)
[08:00] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, yeah, probably, but at that point I was already uninstalling it. I thought I could get used to gnome, and i did
[08:00] <green_> Nonphasis, sure eable anti-aliasing
[08:00] <retype-s> diego1, you have to install kde
[08:01] <retype-s> diego1, it should be some kind of metapackage that put it in gdm
[08:01] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, I was a longtime KDE user until I installed Ubuntu and I would never switch back :)
[08:02] <udo> hello! My Evolution isnt filtering spam, although i checked both boxes in the preferences. Any1 knows why?
[08:02] <Nonphasis> I still have to admit that kde 3.3 rocks
[08:02] <diego1> retype-s, that's probably my problem. i come from gentoo where kde is a metapackage that simply depends on kde-base, kde-libs, kde-network, kdepim, etc
[08:02] <green_> LinuxJones, but like me i have to use KDE because we are developing some cpp applicvations with QT :(
[08:02] <stvn> udo: you need to train it
[08:02] <twitchgame> kde != qt
[08:02] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, yes it is very good 
[08:02] <retype-s> I was a long time kde user until I noticed that I spent more time in windows xp because I didn't want to waste my time making ajustments to configurations
[08:02] <retype-s> diego1, me too
[08:02] <Nonphasis> retype-s, doing them once should be enough
[08:02] <diego1> well i gotta go to my next class, thanks for the help
[08:03] <green_> twitchgame, sure you are right but it written with QT and its more looking like apps with QT and qtdevelop
[08:03] <retype-s> diego1, maybe we should suggest that ubuntu be based in gentoo :)
[08:03] <Nonphasis> and I thing I've needed to tweak gnome more than I had to do w/ kde
[08:03] <stvn> retype-s: yeah, it should be based on gentoo and run kde at default ;)
[08:03] <mirak_-> ahhhh.
[08:03] <mirak_-> don't do that
[08:04] <retype-s> stvn, kde sucks, gentoo rulez...
[08:04] <stvn> said the man using ubuntu
[08:04] <bob2> "kde" in ubuntu is just a meta-package
[08:04] <green_> here i can say that KDE is not sucks :) its a little bit slow :)
[08:04] <mirak_-> I dig the debian......and anything BUT kde
[08:04] <Nonphasis> GENTOO!!
[08:04] <Nonphasis> (sorry about the /. moment)
[08:04] <stvn> Nonphasis: lol
[08:05] <twitchgame> green_: yeah but you can still run qt apps from gnome.. there's nothing forcing you to struggle with kde just because you're writing qt apps
[08:05] <retype-s> i really love debian, i just love gentoo even more
[08:05] <bob2> then use it.
[08:05] <helix> gee, there are even gentoo trolls in here
[08:05] <mirak_-> yeah
[08:05] <retype-s> twitchgame, if he is using kdevelop he will be strugling
[08:06] <Nonphasis> I bet there are gentoo trolls in the jungles of papua-new guinea
[08:06] <green_> twitchgame, yes yr right but qt-development on KDE is more looking good
[08:06] <mirak_-> some one plz pm me.......and tell me why they love gentoo so much....plz
[08:06] <bob2> Nonphasis: and they're still mocked by the natives
[08:06] <Nonphasis> green_, can't you just adjust the settings from kde control center but still use gnome?
[08:07] <bob2> mirak_-: please don't encourage pointless trolling
[08:07] <retype-s> twitchgame, kdevelop has to start all that kde system (dcop kio and everything) so it will take a day to start on gnome
[08:07] <twitchgame> retype-s: ew!
[08:07] <mirak_-> bob2, I am just curiouse, I hav only tried 2 distros...boh debian based
[08:07] <twitchgame> retype-s: that seems a bit excessive for an ide
[08:07] <letheus> I want to install my new XMMS-skins. I type this in the terminal: "cp ~/Desktop/*newskin* ~/.xmms/skins -r" - everything should be fine, but when i look in the skin-folder, nothing new has been copied there. I?m i typing the wrong commando in the terminal?
[08:08] <green_> retype-s, yes yr right about that 
[08:08] <letheus> what do i do wrong?
[08:08] <retype-s> mirak_-, gento has a python package system, portage, that has almost all the packages from debian with much newer versions
[08:09] <retype-s> twitchgame, it is, go talk to kdevelop guys about that
[08:09] <twitchgame> retype-s: i think i'll just remember to stay away from it entirely :)
[08:09] <Nonphasis> frankly, dcop & friends start quite quickly
[08:09] <twitchgame> not terribly fond of gui development environments anyway
[08:10] <Nonphasis> I'v used konq on p200 running Ion3
[08:10] <Nonphasis> it's just the uneasy feeling of having both gnome and kde libs loaded
[08:10] <retype-s> twitchgame, this is the case, i like then until I find one tool that is better outside then and I always go back to editor + tools
[08:12] <punkass> if my $PATH has /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin where would i edit it so that i can change it...globally not just per user ?
[08:12] <retype-s> i am going, just one more question, why doesn't ubuntu putz windows as the default os in grub?
[08:12] <retype-s> everyone knows you have to restart windows a lot more than ubuntu
[08:12] <green_> i
[08:12] <retype-s> just kidding :)
[08:12] <green_> i put it 1.
[08:13] <green_> but its true :)
[08:14] <twitchgame> Nonphasis: having both libs is fine .. but having both complete environments is a good way to burn up your disk space
[08:14] <twitchgame> Not to mention a nightmare anyone involved in supporting the distro
[08:14] <Nonphasis> twitchgame, i don't mean the disk space, but the mem consumption when both are loaded
[08:15] <green_> disk space is less important these says i think memory is more imp.
[08:15] <rwabel> hi, I'm new to ubuntu linux. Can someone help me to get mp3 support in xmss?
[08:16] <mirak_-> I can
[08:16] <rwabel> cool
[08:16] <stvn> rwabel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats 
[08:17] <michel_v> hello
[08:17] <michel_v> for some reason, I am now unable to install Ubuntu on my old laptop
[08:17] <michel_v> it has 64 MB of sdram, I was able to install the very first public release on it
[08:17] <michel_v> but with 1.0, debconf gets an out of memory error right after the partitionning is done
[08:17] <michel_v> what has changed in debconf in the meanwhile?
[08:18] <maruko-work> does anyone know how to install gdesklets on ubuntu?
[08:18] <stvn> anyone has a suggestion why ubuntu fails to mount 2 HDs, if I mount them by hand it say mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home busy
[08:18] <Nonphasis> michel_v, did it use swap space?
[08:19] <michel_v> after all the installation cd says it needs 32 MB, and I got 64 :/
[08:19] <stvn> but /dev/hda1 is not mounted, nor is /home busy, since it doesn't work on /tmp or /mnt either
[08:19] <Nonphasis> stvn, someone had the same prob a few days age
[08:19] <Nonphasis> ago
[08:19] <guptan> can somebody help me with Ubuntu Live CD?
[08:19] <stvn> Nonphasis: hm, any pointers?
[08:20] <michel_v> Nonphasis: I have no idea if it did. I was just done repartitionning and the disk definitely had a swap partition
[08:20] <Nonphasis> stvn, I can't remember. Have you searched bugzilla?
[08:20] <stvn> it worked fine, I updated some stuff and suddenly it stopped
[08:20] <stvn> Nonphasis: not yet
[08:20] <michel_v> maybe I can hop in a console and do swapon while installing
[08:20] <michel_v> I'll come back later to report on this
[08:22] <theantix> is there an apt equivilent to the fedora "yum provides foobar.txt" ?  I want to find what package (if any) a file is in.
[08:23] <sanitari1> theantix: check out auto-apt
[08:25] <Nonphasis> theantix, apt-file?
[08:25] <theantix> sanitari1: I guess that is close enough to what I'm looking for, thanks
[08:26] <theantix> Nonphasis: perfect!  I knew that had to exist, thanks :-)
[08:27] <maruko-work> does anyone know how to install gdesklets on ubuntu?
[08:28] <vincent__> apt-get install gdesklets ?
[08:28] <maruko-work> it says it can't find package gdesklets
[08:28] <theantix> maruko-work: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[08:29] <maruko-work> no
[08:29] <maruko-work> how do I enable it?
[08:29] <vincent__> so enable it
[08:29] <vincent__> synaptic then you have to configure your repositories
[08:29] <haha> if i wanted to know whether any pakage is or not , how i can know that??
[08:30] <michel_v> Nonphasis: thanks a lot, using some swap was a good idea
[08:30] <maruko-work> i'm in the package manager, but what what is the URI?
[08:30] <michel_v> Nonphasis: that is, frantic swapon calls did the trick :p
[08:31] <vincent__> he, a wiki exist with a lot of info inside https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=univers
[08:31] <theantix> maruko-work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[08:31] <haha> if i wanted to know whether any pakage is installed or not in my machine , how i can know that ??
[08:31] <Nonphasis> michel_v, seems like something for the wiki as well
[08:31] <Nonphasis> michel_v, others surely share the problem...
[08:31] <michel_v> most probably
[08:31] <stvn> hm dinnertime, will look into the non-booting later
[08:32] <michel_v> I mean, if one can't install a debian on Y2K hardware... :)
[08:32] <Nonphasis> haha, use synaptic
[08:33] <maruko-work> thanks, got it now
[08:33] <haha> Nonphasis, thanks, I'll try it
[08:34] <vincent__> maruko-work: ok
[08:35] <rcaskey> uh oh, Safari crashed browsing my page :( Its a directory, something about the letter #l itdoesn't like
[08:35] <michel_v> damn all these immutable pages
[08:36] <eruditus> hi
[08:36] <eruditus> I have a problem connecting to the internet using ubuntu - can anyone help?
[08:37] <eruditus> hello?
[08:37] <Nonphasis> eruditus, ask away
[08:37] <Nonphasis> eruditus, don't "ask to ask"
[08:38] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks. :) I need to connect using an adsl connection which has an ethernet modem, something that ubuntu doesn't allow. How do I go about doing this?
[08:39] <Nonphasis> eruditus, so you are connected to the modem with normal ethernet card?
[08:40] <eruditus> Nonphasis - yes I am. I've already tried the normal connection using a LAN, but it doesn't seem to work, no matter how I tweak it.
[08:40] <Nonphasis> eruditus, can you connect to the modem?
[08:40] <inklingx> eruditus: does your ISP supports pppoe?
[08:40] <skar> hi, i installed gxmms and when i ran it, i get the error "(gxmms:4201): GConf-CRITICAL **: file gconf-client.c: line 547 (gconf_client_add_dir): assertion `gconf_valid_key (dirname, NULL)' failed"
[08:40] <skar> any idea on how to solve this?
[08:41] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I seem to be able to connect to the modem, since the LAN/ACT lights are blinking.
[08:41] <eruditus> inklingx - my ISP requires pppoe.
[08:41] <Nonphasis> eruditus, can you open the config html page?
[08:42] <inklingx> eruditus: you probably have to install pppoe en pppoeconf (but i have no experience woth those)
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - where can I find that.
[08:42] <eruditus> inklingx - I wouldn't know how. are they on the CD?
[08:42] <Nonphasis> eruditus, don't know the ip addr?
[08:42] <dieselx> has the final version bn released yet
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - It's dynamic
[08:42] <rcaskey> so when is hoary going to be open ;)
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I shouldn't have to set it.
[08:43] <Nonphasis> eruditus, the address of the modem is static
[08:43] <Nonphasis> eruditus, the manual usually says it...
[08:43] <twitchgame> Nonphasis: not with pppoe
[08:43] <Nonphasis> ah, ok
[08:43] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I've never needed to set it up until now .... 
[08:43] <twif> login also
[08:43] <Nonphasis> only thing I know about pppoe is that it sucks :)
[08:43] <maskie> dieselx, yes on wednesday
[08:44] <eruditus> Nonphasis - that may be, but I don't really have a choice :)
[08:46] <inklingx> eruditus: what is the brand and model of your modem?
[08:46] <eruditus> Nonphasis - how do I get root privileges?
[08:46] <eruditus> inklingx - ericsson HM210 - It works on most other dists, but I like ubuntu :)
[08:46] <Nonphasis> eruditus, sudo <command>
[08:47] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks.
[08:47] <Nonphasis> eruditus, or system tools -> root terminal
[08:47] <Tzalidar> i have a java issue, when i try to launch eclipse/azureus from the gnome panel nothing happens, but when i launch them from the terminal they work perfectly
[08:48] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks again. I'll be back - I think I have an idea :)
[08:49] <twif> Some sort of african animal would be much nicer then human beings for a login screen.. Like an african wild cat.. Such as this cute little fella: http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/gifs-jpegs/southafrica/awcfem.jpg
[08:49] <Kamion> twif: we took out the human images in the final release.
[08:49] <twif> Nice, thank you. ;)
[08:49] <flash\\off> Kamion, cool
[08:50] <flash\\off> Kamion, how can I contact dafydd ?
[08:50] <eruin> why did you take it out?
[08:50] <daf> flash\\off: hi
[08:50] <rcaskey> Everyone I have showed Human to likes the desktop but dislikes the greeter
[08:50] <Kamion> flash\\off: what do you need him for?
[08:50] <rcaskey> its to "someone is paying us to hold hands"
[08:50] <Kamion> eruin: massive community disapproval
[08:50] <eruin> I thought it fit in nicely with the ubuntu logo
[08:50] <Kamion> eruin: we held a community meeting, and the response was overwhelmingly negative.
[08:51] <flash\\off> daf can I pm you ?
[08:51] <eruin> can't argue with that
[08:51] <Kamion> the logs are public, I think, somewhere, but I don't remember where
[08:51] <rcaskey> I think its a good decision
[08:51] <rcaskey> It was a good decision to try the new artwork and a good decision to scrap it
[08:51] <daf> flash\\off: feel free to
[08:51] <eruin> which is why I've always preferred dictatorship above democracy ;)
[08:51] <rcaskey> or at least put it in an optional pkg
[08:52] <Nonphasis> Kamion, mailing list archive has the link
[08:52] <lamont> FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ || Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ || Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ || Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ || warty is out: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent || please test http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-rc2-live-i386.iso.torrent
[08:52] <inklingx> Kamion: the meeting was at a time most european ppl where at work, not allowed to use irc ;)
[08:52] <Nonphasis> it was 6pm here
[08:52] <aj> what's the point of "please test .. rc2 .." ?
[08:53] <lamont> aj: so I can update the errata sheet
[08:53] <Nonphasis> and I can't believe using irc is forbidden somewhere...
[08:53] <Kamion> inklingx: I think it would be pretty disingenuous to hold a meeting and then ignore the result on the basis of the timezone, TBH; your mileage may vary
[08:53] <meff> hmm
[08:53] <Nonphasis> CET and EET was 5 and 6 pm
[08:53] <Kamion> inklingx: people had ample opportunity to voice their opinion on the mailing list, and the balance of opinion was negative there too
[08:53] <meff> whats the 'daily summary' equivelant in evolution2?
[08:54] <Nonphasis> se all the parts of europe that matter were there ;-)
[08:54] <LinuxJones> lamont, the live cd bittorrent link does not work.
[08:54] <lamont> gah!
[08:54] <Kamion> lamont: need to get thom to fix that, I suspect
[08:54] <Nonphasis> and one pro-pr0n opinion wouldn't have changed the result
[08:54] <inklingx> Kamion: no prob with me.., it has been decided and the compromis was fair:)
[08:55] <Nonphasis> inklingx, and the theme is still selectable
[08:55] <inklingx> Nonphasis: indeed :) like i said: no prob... let it rest :)
[08:55] <meff> is there any way with gnome's session management that i can get a certain app to open on a specific desktop?
[08:56] <eruin> we're never gonna let those poor americans rest after that silly jackson-tit scandal
[08:56] <lamont> Kamion: I think he's at the DC, and not online. :(
[08:56] <Nonphasis> speaking again of the theme - it's a weird postulation that europeans would have like the theme more
[08:56] <eruin> Nonphasis: let my previous statement put it into perspective for you
[08:56] <aj> what's the policy for point updates of warty?
[08:56] <Nonphasis> aren't most of the "sexy" adverticements etc. coming from usa?
[08:56] <lamont> LinuxJones: on the bright side, the non-torrent should work fine
[08:56] <Kamion> lamont: I'll see if I can SMS him
[08:57] <eruin> Nonphasis: like what? mcdonalds?
[08:57] <eruin> ;)
[08:57] <twif> I think you get much sexier ads from France..
[08:57] <inklingx> Nonphasis: we're more used to such images :p
[08:57] <twif> maybe not britain..
[08:57] <lamont> aj: security/critical corruption gets in, all else goes to hoary
[08:57] <aj> how often?
[08:57] <twif> but everywhere else in europe is more sexy then the US.. ;)
[08:57] <LinuxJones> lamont, I like bittorrent I have a good upload ratio to help with the stream :D
[08:57] <lamont> yeah
[08:57] <Nonphasis> what can be more sexy than Las Vegas or LA? ;-)
[08:57] <zenwhen> twif: I think not
[08:57] <lamont> aj: actually organized as warty/warty-security/warty-updates distros
[08:57] <twif> We can't even say shit on TV in the US, if you don't pay for it..
[08:58] <zenwhen> waaaaaa
[08:58] <inklingx> yesterday: sex in the city at 8pm on a publich chanel in belgium... ;)
[08:58] <twif> can't they show full titties on national TV in france?
[08:58] <lamont> AFAIK, warty is basically shut down (main/restricted for sure)
[08:58] <aj> so warty doesn't change for the entire 18 months, or?
[08:58] <zenwhen> "oh no, the US isnt hedonistic"
[08:58] <Nonphasis> sex in the city rockno
[08:58] <Nonphasis> sex in the city rocks
[08:58] <lamont> warty-security gets security fixes, warty-updates gets whatever else is deemed worthy
[08:58] <eruin> hedonistic, lol
[08:58] <twif> It's hedonistic for sure.. but you gotta pay special for that hedonism..
[08:58] <meff> stvn-food, LinuxJones: i got my bind9 working, i just had to reboot.. i suspect some temporary file issue though not sure, thanks for the help anyways :)
[08:58] <Nonphasis> everything from HBO rocks ;-)
[08:58] <Kamion> aj: "security patches, fixes for critical bugs that could cause data loss, and extra translations" -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[08:58] <LinuxJones> meff,  omg no way :D
[08:59] <lamont> aj: warty-updates presumes that you have warty-security in your sources.list, too.
[08:59] <eruditus> Neophasis -- It worked!! :) pppoeconf using the root terminal :)
[08:59] <inklingx> eruditus: how is tour pppoe?
[08:59] <eruditus> Neophasis - I'm using ubuntu right now :)
[08:59] <Nonphasis> eruditus, great :)
[08:59] <Kamion> aj: details of warty vs. warty-security, not sure yet
[08:59] <zenwhen> Hows dialup support in the Warty Release?
[08:59] <eruditus> inklingx - Thanksa lot :)
[08:59] <meff> LinuxJones: yeah, i'm assuming rndc caches the keyfile in tmp or something and a reboot wiped tmp and it started working .. *shrugs*
[08:59] <aj> btw, what happened to the "find" bar becoming a window in firefox?
[08:59] <LinuxJones> meff,  I'm glad it's working for you anyways 
[08:59] <zenwhen> Kamion, are you an ubuntu dev?
[09:00] <Kamion> zenwhen: yes
[09:00] <twif> I think the Serval Cat would make a very nice "mascot" Ubuntu, it's a sleek and fast cat, not much bigger then a common house cat..
[09:00] <eruditus> now I have another question - how do I get the system to start up in the console, without any graphical desktop?
[09:00] <zenwhen> Have you all paid any anntention to dialup suppor?
[09:00] <lamont> aj: and what Kamion said.  I know what the current config of the distros is, dunno if there are plans to snap things back into warty, or leave them on the side.  not my call.
[09:00] <Nonphasis> every ubuntu release has a different mascot
[09:00] <aj> lamont: fair enough
[09:00] <zenwhen> attention to dialup support*
[09:00] <Nonphasis> somenone should draw a cuta mascot character for every release
[09:00] <lamont> aj: I reconfigured all the buildd chroots last night, you see... :_)
[09:00] <Nonphasis> warthogs and whatnot
[09:01] <aj> (a crowd of smiling kids would've been a cooler community picture than ahalf nekkid 3some)
[09:01] <zenwhen> yes, smiling multi-ethnic children
[09:01] <aj> lamont: heh
[09:01] <zenwhen> That owuld have been much better
[09:01] <eruditus> Nonphasis, inklingx - how can I configure ubuntu to start up without any window manager (ie console)?
[09:01] <twif> Some naked african native children, from National Geographic
[09:01] <Nonphasis> b52's, lots of them
[09:02] <zenwhen> or some hot topless african tribe women
[09:02] <zenwhen> :OO
[09:02] <aj> lamont: so how are you coping working on ubuntu anyway? getting withdrawal symptoms from not being able to NMU?
[09:02] <twif> with face paint and stuf
[09:02] <Nonphasis> eruditus, chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[09:02] <zenwhen> Kamion, are you too busy or do you not know?
[09:02] <lamont> aj: reconfigured might be too strong a word.. There was some leftover stuff in there, either backup mirror repositories, or comments, etc.
[09:02] <Kamion> zenwhen: not huge amounts, I have to say, partly because not many of the developers are on dialup
[09:02] <lamont> aj: who said I can't NMU??
[09:02] <Kamion> zenwhen: was busy briefly, I don't IRC *quite* 24/7 :)
[09:02] <zenwhen> Oh, because dialup was totally broken last time I tried.
[09:02] <lamont> but have been busy.
[09:03] <Kamion> zenwhen: we don't configure dialup in the installer
[09:03] <aj> lamont: ubuntu doesn't /have/ NMUs! everything's a maintainer upload!
[09:03] <inklingx> eruditus: or sudo apt-get install rcconf && rcconf ;)
[09:03] <Kamion> zenwhen: if that was because wvdial was missing, we fixed that
[09:03] <lamont> aj: but I can still NMU debian... :)
[09:03] <zenwhen> Kamion, Oh, I configured it myself. Ubuntu could NOT communicate with the modem.
[09:03] <Skif> aj: lamont can NMU *ANYTHING*... he's lamont, after all :)
[09:03] <Tzalidar> gaH! im going crazy :), why can i launch azureus/eclipse from the terminal but not from the gnome panel?
[09:03] <Kamion> lamont: SMSed thom about the torrent brokenness
[09:03] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, java environment vars?
[09:03] <Tzalidar> it launches from the terminal
[09:04] <zenwhen> Hopefully it will work fine when the disk gets here.
[09:04] <Tzalidar> my environment jars are correct
[09:04] <zenwhen> Ill pra and do an african rain dance.
[09:04] <zenwhen> pray*
[09:04] <Tzalidar> or does gnome have some vars on its own
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: does minicom work?
[09:04] <Tzalidar> netbeans however, successes to launch from the gnome panel
[09:04] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, well, the env os probably different in non-terminal
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: just wondering if, say, the device is there at all ...
[09:04] <zenwhen> Didnt try minicom. I tried pon and poff
[09:04] <Tzalidar> okay, perhaps i should relogin
[09:04] <zenwhen> It gave an io error
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: does /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever's appropriate) exist?
[09:05] <zenwhen> Kamion, it did.
[09:05] <zenwhen> I dont have it installed now. I was just wondering. If  have probelms with the official release Ill be sure to make a bug report.
[09:05] <Kamion> mmmkay, not a udev thing then
[09:05] <eruditus> Nonphasis and inklingx - thanks again. :)
[09:05] <lamont> thom's fixing the fine torrent, uh, stuff now.
[09:05] <LinuxJones> Any plans to add the Redhat-Config tools to Ubuntu/Debian ?
[09:05] <Kamion> lamont: good-oh
[09:05] <Nonphasis> gee, there is pr0n on tv
[09:05] <zenwhen> redhat-network-config in ubuntu would ROCK
[09:06] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: that's quite pointless isn't it.. redhat tools in a debian distribution
[09:06] <zenwhen> i mean
[09:06] <twif> what's wrong with linuxconf? ;)
[09:06] <zenwhen> network-device-config
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, well you would have to modify them obviously
[09:06] <zenwhen> Because network-device-config works EXACTLY how it should. Its the only good option for configuring wvdial with a gui.
[09:07] <zenwhen> I can do without, but it would be nice for the 50% of americans using dialup.
[09:07] <zenwhen> Im sure its more in less developed countries.
[09:07] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, yes, as you said, americas ;-)
[09:07] <zenwhen> as i said
 Im sure its more in less developed countries.
[09:08] <Kamion> hah, I thought the US was actually worse than many countries for this
[09:08] <Kamion> partly due to being so spread out
[09:08] <zenwhen> Its worse than a few socialist "kill you with taxes" countries. 
[09:09] <izaac> hi people how can i help translating from english to spanish (mx) ?
[09:09] <zenwhen> I prefer financial freedom to broadband, personally.
[09:09] <zenwhen> lol
[09:09] <Nonphasis> socialist countries? hmm... cuba, china DPROK...
[09:09] <zenwhen> not socialist in the literal sense
[09:09] <izaac> documentation, etc., i mean
[09:09] <zenwhen> socialist in the societal sense and economix sense
[09:09] <twif> socialist/capitalist combos, like norway and sweden?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> yeah, I get it, in the sense of "welfare state"
[09:10] <zenwhen> yes
[09:10] <twif> denmark..
[09:10] <zenwhen> Exactly.
[09:10] <twif> germany..
[09:10] <twif> all those people who speak german or german like languages seem to like that sort of thing..
[09:10] <Nonphasis> bet what about Ubuntu? :)
[09:11] <Kamion> mmmkay, talk about dialup was on-topic, let's not veer too far into economic theory here
[09:11] <zenwhen> k
[09:11] <zenwhen> lol
[09:11] <Nonphasis> actually, the "welfare model" is going out of the fashion in a lot of europe, at least finland
[09:11] <zenwhen> anyway, I hope it works ok in warty, because i REALLY want to give Ubuntu an honest shot.
[09:12] <zenwhen> Also, I hope my Nvidia 6800 works fine.
[09:12] <Kamion> zenwhen: if it doesn't, do file a bug, then at least we can try to fix it for hoary
[09:12] <zenwhen> Because it didnt in the beta I downloaded
[09:12] <Nonphasis> nvidia cards work well in linux
[09:12] <zenwhen> Yeah
[09:12] <Nonphasis> I'm happy I bought one
[09:12] <zenwhen> It works fine in Slackware.
[09:12] <Kamion> zenwhen: did you file a bug about the beta?
[09:12] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, did you put "nvidia" in /etc/modules?
[09:13] <zenwhen> no
[09:13] <zenwhen> Never had to with slackware
[09:13] <zenwhen> Didnt know it was required
[09:13] <Kamion> zenwhen: drat - that was really the time to tell us about problems, so that we could make sure they were fixed
[09:13] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, well, that's why. you had to in early Ubunti
[09:13] <zenwhen> Oh
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know why the freetype autohinter is disabled by default in Ubuntu?
[09:13] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, it' a bug in bugzilla
[09:13] <zenwhen> Well Ill hope things are fixed. I was too frustrated to file bugs.
[09:14] <Nonphasis> speaking of which - is Ubunti the plural for Ubuntu?
[09:14] <zenwhen> If not, ill file bugs.
[09:14] <Kamion> LinuxJones: rc2 live torrent's fixed now, AFAIK
[09:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: um, good question, doubt it, sounds a bit too faux-Latin
[09:14] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, it's often a good idea to searh bugzilla at least
[09:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: the Zulu word "ubuntu" is not really something that's pluralisable
[09:14] <zenwhen> I set up a couple of my family members with Ubuntu.
[09:14] <zenwhen> And they love it.
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, ty 
[09:15] <zenwhen> It just didnt like my system.
[09:15] <Nonphasis> everything is pluralizable, just like everything is verbable
[09:15] <zenwhen> For those using low end, yet 1Ghz + consumer PC's Ubuntu is a blessing.
[09:15] <Erix> can anyone compare ubuntu with a recent mandrake version?
[09:15] <aj> some things are the same when pluralulated
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Erix, summary: Ubuntu rockorz, mdk suxxorz
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Erix, j/k
[09:16] <meff> hmm.. i have to rerun vmware-config.pl everytime i reboot, im assuming its udev related.. has anyone written anything about vmware on the wiki or elsewhere? last time i checked the wiki my search didn't turn up anything
[09:16] <zenwhen> Erix, ubuntu is ligter, has a better package management sytem, and doesnt dumb things down as much as Manflake.
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Mandrake breaks a lot
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu has been stable as a rock for me
[09:16] <LinuxJones> Erix, Ubuntu does not have all of the gui config stuff that Mandrake has but runs much snappier.
[09:16] <moyote> Same here, stable.
[09:16] <zenwhen> more like manbreak am i rite?
[09:16] <iz> meff, me to
[09:17] <Erix> Nonphasis: Ok. Thanks you for the detailed comparision. I'm wiping my mdk install and installing ubuntu. ;)
[09:17] <meff> heh, dont forget roothat! :P
[09:17] <moyote> And the wireless setup is painless , for me anyway.
[09:17] <Nonphasis> Erix, the one problem you might face is the kde -> gnome learning curve
[09:17] <Erix> LinuxJones; how is ubuntu's auto detection during install?
[09:17] <zenwhen> Erix, better than any other distro to date
[09:18] <meff> iz: find anything? :/
[09:18] <Kamion> hm, Bantu possibly more accurate linguistically than Zulu, not that I'm an expert ...
[09:18] <LinuxJones> Erix, very good it found all of my hardware just fine.
[09:18] <iz> nope, i'm installing tmorrow the amd64 version and give it a shot
[09:18] <Phoop> Hello; if I export something; like the /usr/local/java/bin; it goes well. But when i restart the shell; the export is gone ? How can i do it so it wont be reset
[09:19] <Erix> Nonphasis; yes. i don't like gnome very much but it should'nt be to hard to install kde
[09:19] <moyote> What was I read in the forums, a long, long tirade about offending first time users. Was he referring to the splash screen? Does anybody know?
[09:19] <twif> Ubuntu is all about the gnome desktop?
[09:19] <meff> moyote: i think the desktop that had guys and girls covering their nipples :)
[09:19] <zenwhen> Yes
[09:19] <Nonphasis> Erix, actually, that's a bit of a problem because the Ubuntu effort mostly goes towards Gnome, so it's the "recommended" desktop
[09:19] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is gnome-centric
[09:19] <skaught> Phoop: You need to at that to your .bash_profile script (or .bashrc)
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Erix, try Gnome for a few days I bet you will love it :)
[09:19] <moyote> meff, Thanks, that's what I thought.
[09:20] <Nonphasis> Gnome took a week for me
[09:20] <Phoop> Allright; thank you; will try that :)
[09:20] <Kamion> moyote: that should all be gone now
[09:20] <zenwhen> Gnome is the future of the linux desktop.
[09:20] <cenerentola> all: any italian?
[09:20] <iz> gnome and gdesklets rokz
[09:20] <Nonphasis> it's slightly harder to "learn" than KDE, you have to read the manual a bit
[09:20] <Erix> LinuxJones; i'm sure it is a nice desktop. But i'm used to kde. But i'll give it a try. 
[09:20] <Nonphasis> like I didn't know shift+ctrl+drag -> symlink
[09:20] <moyote> Kamion, you mean the splash screen? Strange, I wasn't offended, but I guess with political correctness the word of the day... well,,, you know
[09:20] <zenwhen> Better hardware detection and interaction, better file manager, future cairo support.
[09:20] <jacob> Can someone point me to a doc explaining how to inspect a .deb-package, check what files and permissions it installs, what scripts it runs on install/removal etc ?
[09:21] <Erix> installing other desktops like fluxbox is hard?
[09:21] <Tzalidar> does gnome have specal env vars?
[09:21] <Nonphasis> Erix, no, stuff from Sid is available
[09:21] <Tzalidar> because java apps launch from the terminal but not from the panel ;)
[09:21] <Phoop> Works skaught; thank u
[09:21] <iz> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:21] <skaught> Phoop: np :)
[09:21] <zenwhen> KDE is great for those who just cant let go of windows like desktops. Gnome is a lot like the windows desktop but doenst hold itself in close confomity to being so.
[09:21] <moyote> Well, in my opinion, the gnome desktop is not as cluttered as KDE. I'm not speaking badly of kde, however.
[09:21] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, make an app that dumps the env to a file and launch that
[09:21] <Erix> also; does anybody use ubuntu on a laptop?
[09:21] <twif> Does ubuntu grab packages from a different repository then standard Debian?
[09:22] <zenwhen> Its more mac like than Windows like now.
[09:22] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, or a script rather
[09:22] <skaught> twif: Yes, it has it's own repository
[09:22] <zenwhen> I am speaking badly of KDE. Its crap. lol
[09:22] <skaught> twif: It has a much smaller package set, to maintain a more cohesive desktop distro
[09:22] <moyote> :-)) Well..... I knew someone would say that.
[09:22] <moyote> Exactly, skaught
[09:23] <moyote> Has anyone had a problem getting xmms to work. I have.
[09:23] <Nonphasis> KDE is techically great, but 1) Qt license sucks and 2) It's too autistic a project, or at least has been so far
[09:23] <Tzalidar> i have the java env vars in ~/.bashrc
[09:23] <Erix> does apm or acpi work?
[09:23] <Nonphasis> kde4 probably fixes that
[09:23] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, bashrc is no good in ubuntu
[09:23] <cenerentola> nonphasis: what do you mean with autistic?
[09:23] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[09:23] <zenwhen> KDE represents the main reason why first time users of linux think its not ready for the desktop. 
[09:23] <Tzalidar> where should i put the java vars?
[09:24] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, too focused on doing everything on its own
[09:24] <cenerentola> not that unix... maybe=?
[09:24] <MarcN> man, takes for ever to install warty on a laptop.  Going on 40 minutes after the reboot.
[09:24] <kent> Tzalidar, my java application (Azureus) starts automagicaly from the panel. Strange that your doesnt.
[09:24] <MarcN> kacpid is using a lot of time.
[09:24] <skaught> MarcN: That sucks, it took me maybe 20 on a laptop in VMware :)
[09:24] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, I disagree. KDE 3.2 was the first desktop that made me think Linux desktop is *ready*
[09:24] <MarcN> 98% cpu.
[09:24] <Tzalidar> kent, are you using java 5?
[09:25] <zenwhen> Its unprofessional looking, gaudy, and cluttered. It has no user interface guidlines that anyone adheres to, and it isnt making headway in the realm of integreation with HA and DBUS as Gnome is.
[09:25] <meff> moyote: no not the login screen, there was a desktop background a little more revealing :)
[09:25] <zenwhen> HAL*
[09:25] <cenerentola> well another thing that sucks really is yoper
[09:25] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, kde4 does tha hal/dbus dance
[09:25] <moyote> meff, yeah, I know now . Thanks for the clarification.
[09:25] <zenwhen> KDE gets more "Windows Like" every month.
[09:25] <cenerentola> well the installation it's too "look at me im took geeky for you..."
[09:25] <zenwhen> I dont think thats the direction we want to head.
[09:26] <twitchgame> There are plenty of other KDE distros ... I hope it stays mostly out of Ubuntu
[09:26] <Tzalidar> hmm, maybe azureus/eclipse arent that java5 ready yet
[09:26] <zenwhen> I hope KDE stays FAR away from ubuntu.
[09:26] <Tzalidar> i am the bleeding edge kind of person :) so i want azureus and eclipse working in java 5 under ubuntu :D
[09:26] <zenwhen> Sure people can install it, but I hope it isnt supporte.
[09:26] <cenerentola> im proud to announce that im taking ubuntu in the computer lab of our village's school
[09:26] <zenwhen> d
[09:26] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, azureus sucks. Get a real Python bt client :)
[09:26] <Tzalidar> cenertola, cool :)
[09:27] <kent> Tzalidar, no. Wait and il check what version i have.
[09:27] <cenerentola> get mldonkey
[09:27] <Phoop> Tzalidar, you can edit the azureus sh file; so it points to the right java dir; works for me; just testen
[09:27] <Tzalidar> kent, java -version
[09:27] <plovs> anybody succesfully mounted NFS? i edited /etc/defaults/portmap, still no go!
[09:27] <zenwhen> I use btdownloadheadless.py, because im too hardcore for the gui XD
[09:27] <Nonphasis> mldonkey is sub-optimal for bt
[09:27] <Tzalidar> ok, goin' to test now :)
[09:27] <moyote> xmms: cannot open shared objec file: No such file or directory.  libmikmod.so.2.  Any ideas?
[09:27] <Tzalidar> Nonphasis, yeah, python rox!!! :)
[09:27] <Tzalidar> the nice thing about azureus
[09:27] <Nonphasis> + 'screen', of course
[09:27] <cenerentola> i think perl its fairly better than pythin
[09:27] <cenerentola> ...python mainly for the culture... 
[09:28] <LinuxJones> moyote, install libmikmod2
[09:28] <Tzalidar> is that you can launch it from firefox
[09:28] <skaught> What's the deal with the chan today... X vs Y vs J....
[09:28] <kent> Tzalidar, Blackdown 1.4.1  (Not Suns java, but i have had no problems with it)
[09:28] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Bittirnado is my fav BT client 
[09:28] <zenwhen> skaught, its all my fault
[09:28] <LinuxJones> err bittornado
[09:28] <skaught> zenwhen: hehe
[09:28] <Kamion> Nonphasis: http://isizulu.net/grammar/ suggests there's no grammatical plural of "ubuntu"
[09:28] <zenwhen> I am the harbringer of doom
[09:28] <zenwhen> :OO
[09:28] <kent> Tzalidar, I guess that maybe becaus i installed it via synaptic (apt) it put it in the PATH so that it always works..
[09:29] <Kamion> (wow, that was a massive digression into web-searching)
[09:29] <Tzalidar> yeah, java works perfectly from the terminal for me
[09:29] <Tzalidar> i can launch azureus from a terminal
[09:29] <Tzalidar> but i can't launch it from the gnome panel
[09:29] <Nonphasis> Kamion, hmm. I need to make one up then ;-)
[09:29] <Tzalidar> maybe i should wait getting java 5 for a while and stick with java 1.4x
[09:29] <Phoop> Tzalidar, it works fine for me here now
[09:30] <Tzalidar> java5?
[09:30] <moyote> LinuxJones, Ok, thanks, I 'll go that.
[09:30] <Phoop> Yeah
[09:30] <Tzalidar> from the gnome panel?
[09:30] <Phoop> Just edited the azureus file in the dir
[09:30] <Phoop> Uhm; from the map in nautilus
[09:30] <moyote> LinuxJones, Thanks again, that did the trick. :-)
[09:30] <Nonphasis> Kamion, though one rarely sees "debians" in english as well
[09:30] <LinuxJones> moyote, :)
[09:31] <Phoop> Tzalidar, also from the panel :)
[09:31] <skaught> Tzalidar: If you updated any environment variables, they won't exist in the X session until you restart.
[09:31] <Tzalidar> are you using the jre or the jdk?
[09:31] <zenwhen> Who here has an NTFS partition?
[09:31] <cenerentola> what's the best burning software for ubuntu?
[09:31] <skaught> Tzalidar: (restart your X session)
[09:31] <Tzalidar> okay, i have restarted my computer
[09:31] <Tzalidar> i did it before
[09:32] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, for data cd burning you should use nautilus
[09:32] <cenerentola> nonphasis: for the others?
[09:32] <Phoop> skaught, enviremont variables are ur bashrc ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, k3b didn't cut the mustard for me
[09:32] <Kamion> Nonphasis: of course, Debian is a constructed word whereas Ubuntu isn't
[09:32] <jari-> sorry, but does anybody know where can I find blueish Ubuntu wallpaper .. ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> jari-, internet?
[09:32] <skaught> Phoop: Yah, things you "export" to the environment
[09:32] <cenerentola> nonphasys: so?
[09:32] <zenwhen> I wish there was a nice gnome audio cd burning app
[09:32] <Phoop> K
[09:33] <Nonphasis> yeah, there is no audio cd burner in ubuntu
[09:33] <meff> hrmm.. why all the hate for k3b :/
[09:33] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: command-line there is
[09:33] <Nonphasis> xcdroast didn't work either
[09:33] <meff> its pretty nice, get over the toolkit war and use it ;)
[09:33] <ficusplanet> zenwhen, Soon both rhythmbox and muine will burn audio cds
[09:33] <zenwhen> meff because of the qt license
[09:33] <cenerentola> groaster?
[09:33] <zenwhen> ficusplanet, and i will have a gnomegasm
[09:33] <Kamion> zenwhen: dude, the Qt licence thing is *so* 20th century
[09:33] <cenerentola> eroaster?
[09:33] <Nonphasis> Treenaks, possibly, but that's asking too much for simple task like cd burning
[09:33] <meff> zenwhen: how? the only licensing problem is if you use it for private programs in windows
[09:34] <zenwhen> Kamion, yeah lets just forget that whole free software" thing.
[09:34] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: yes, it should be added in nautilus-cd-burner
[09:34] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: of course..
[09:34] <Kamion> zenwhen: Qt is available under the GPL
[09:34] <zenwhen> I wont use ANYTHING with a restrictive license.
[09:34] <zenwhen> Just personal preference.
[09:34] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, like, say, Linux kernel? ;-)
[09:34] <meff> heh ok.. dont buy a 3d card then
[09:34] <meff> ;)
[09:34] <zenwhen> oh what an argument
[09:35] <zenwhen> @_@
[09:35] <LinuxJones> lol meff
[09:35] <MarcN> where do I find the printers?  though it should be under 'computer'
[09:35] <zenwhen> meff, I make certain exceptions. The kernel cannot be done without.
[09:35] <meff> i understand zealotry but some people go a little too far :/
[09:35] <zenwhen> Nvidias drivers cant be done without if I want to play games.
[09:36] <zenwhen> QT... i can do without. And do.
[09:36] <LinuxJones> MarcN, Compter >> System Config >> printing
[09:36] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, commendable
[09:36] <MarcN> LinuxJones: yeah, found it.
[09:36] <Kamion> a big whack of Ubuntu is GPLed. Let's not have the old "GPL is too restrictive" war here; it's not going to achieve anything.
[09:36] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, I'm often partial towards a session of Enemy Territory as well :)
[09:37] <zenwhen> Im a UT whore. :(
[09:37] <zenwhen> Im stuck with closed binary drivers.
[09:37] <zenwhen> lol
[09:37] <meff> Kamion: im just saying some people should get over themselves and use something that works but has a 'not free enough' license, rather than something/nothing shoddy and buggy
[09:38] <michel_v> hmm
[09:38] <zenwhen> meff, no they should either help with or develope things under a free license.
[09:38] <michel_v> so, my laptop lost all battery life while in the second step of installation
[09:38] <meff> sigh.
[09:38] <zenwhen> develop*
[09:38] <lamont> MarkN: long time no chat
[09:38] <Phoop> Anyone any experience with gtkpod ?
[09:38] <michel_v> and when booting, ubuntu led me to aptitude
[09:38] <Nonphasis> most of the time GPL is great
[09:38] <michel_v> WTF is one supposed to do with aptitude?
[09:38] <Nonphasis> i.e. non-libraries
[09:38] <michel_v> so I used dpkg --configure -a
[09:39] <michel_v> to resume the installatio
[09:39] <Kamion> michel_v: when you're done, hit a shell and type 'aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop'
[09:39] <michel_v> perhaps ubuntu should check and try to use this instead of aptitude ;
[09:39] <michel_v> :)
[09:39] <Kamion> michel_v: nah, would be less helpful, we'd rather encourage people to get the ubuntu-desktop task installed
[09:39] <mdz> michel_v: you only end up in aptitude if your installation failed for some reason
[09:39] <michel_v> mdz: it failed because battery died in the middle :)
[09:39] <Nonphasis> wow - just tried, and U *does* have dselect
[09:40] <mdz> Nonphasis: of course
[09:40] <Nonphasis> mdz, is it really needed, w/ aptitude & all?
[09:40] <Kamion> Nonphasis: some of the developers, like me, still like dselect ... :-)
[09:40] <Nonphasis> I used to be a fan of dselect as well, but that was before aptitude & synaptic
[09:40] <Kamion> Nonphasis: as I said on the mailing list recently, I find aptitude's UI even worse than dselect's notoriously eccentric one
[09:41] <lamont> Nonphasis: apt-cache show dpkg| grep Depend
[09:41] <lamont> Pre-Depends: dselect, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
[09:41] <lamont> that's why it's there, in part
[09:41] <Nonphasis> lamont, good point. I just have to wonder why
[09:41] <Kamion> the pre-depends is required for upgrades from woody.
[09:41] <lamont> Kamion: 100% agreement on the 2 UI's
[09:41] <lamont> synaptic has at least some promise
[09:41] <zenwhen> the moment I can burn a playlist to a cd with rhythmbox, I'll explode with glee from a very human part of me
[09:42] <meff> for a terminal ui, though.. i'd go with aptitude over dselect anyday
[09:42] <Nonphasis> actually, dselect has been getting more bad press than it deserves
[09:42] <Kamion> if it's not there, then if you upgraded with dselect then you could find yourself with dselect disappearing under your feet during the upgrade, which would be profoundly unpleasant to say the least.
[09:42] <lamont> dselect is great.  it just doesn't really scale to 10000 packages.
[09:42] <lamont> or even 2000, for that matter.
[09:42] <meff> heh i remember first installing debian about 5 years ago and dselect coming up after the install.. ooh boy was i confused
[09:43] <Kamion> meff: I've seen pretty similar reactions to aptitude, really; I don't think it's a big improvement for new users
[09:43] <MarcN> Hi lamont 
[09:43] <Nonphasis> well, dselect was better than what competition had (rh had nothing)
[09:43] <meff> Kamion: i dont think you can get much better though other than a gui interface..
[09:44] <meff> rh still has basically nothing for yum
[09:44] <Nonphasis> not yet
[09:44] <Nonphasis> yum is already improvement on the horrible old situation
[09:44] <twitchgame> not like yum really needs anything to be useful. but it would be nice
[09:44] <Kamion> dselect's main issue as far as I'm concerned is that it's too closely tied to dpkg (desired package states live in /var/lib/dpkg/status)
[09:45] <plovs> NFS anybody?
[09:45] <meff> besides i never use the aptitude ui, i just use it commandline because i like its package tracking features
[09:45] <Kamion> iwj (the author) admitted that as a design flaw last time I talked to him about it
[09:46] <meff> Kamion: on the if-i-corrupt-this-im-screwed front or some other reason?
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: hm?
[09:46] <punkass> i know this is not an ubuntu questoin..but does anyone how to edit what starts at boot up on fedora?
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: no, more that it makes direct replacements that aren't built out of the dpkg source package a bit awkward
[09:46] <punkass> i need to stop exim from starting and get postfix to start
[09:46] <Nonphasis> punkass, /etc/init.d, as usual
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: and it's a layering violation
[09:47] <twitchgame> punkass: ntsysv
[09:47] <meff> ahh
[09:47] <LinuxJones> punkass, redhat-config-services
[09:47] <Nonphasis> punkass, chmod -x the exim script
[09:47] <kent> punkass, they have a GUI for it in the menus in gnome aswell. Dont remember its name though. Services something.. i think.
[09:47] <Nonphasis> and, as LinuxJones said, the svc config app :)
[09:47] <punkass> its a server so there is no gui
[09:47] <meff> punkass: chkconfig, and service
[09:48] <LinuxJones> punkass, that will work in console as well I think
[09:48] <Nonphasis> sysvinit kinda sucks
[09:48] <Nonphasis> is that blasphemy?
[09:48] <meff> kinda? :)
[09:48] <lamont> punkass: apt-get install postfix should cause exim to go away
[09:48] <punkass> yeah thats whay i thought
[09:48] <Nonphasis> lamont, in fedora?
[09:48] <punkass> what*
[09:48] <lamont> Nonphasis: missed the OT comment ahead of the question
[09:49] <punkass> but i was getting errrors trying to run postfix untill i stoped exim
[09:49] <lamont> you would.  that's why they conflict in any sane system.
[09:49] <punkass> cuz exim had the lock on the port
[09:50] <meff> punkass: service exim stop; service postfix start
[09:50] <zenwhen> Nonphasis, Im going to miss Slackware's BSD-stly ini system
[09:50] <zenwhen> style*
[09:50] <zenwhen> ;-;
[09:50] <iz> postfix reload
[09:50] <punkass> meff:yes i know that...i just dont want to have to do that everytime i reboot the server
[09:50] <Nonphasis> i think what we need is a pythonic init
[09:50] <meff> punkass: ahh, man chkconfig
[09:51] <Nonphasis> punkass, or, just chmod -x /etc/init.d/exim
[09:51] <meff> that works but its not the right way ;)
[09:51] <Nonphasis> i know
[09:51] <Nonphasis> it's the dirty way
[09:51] <punkass> lol...ok ill check out that stuff... thanks
[09:51] <Nonphasis> man's gotta do w t m gotta do
[09:52] <meff> just use chkconfig and disable it on every runlevel
[09:52] <punkass> yeah...just reading the man page now...thanks
[09:52] <Nonphasis> ubuntu should have chkconfig as well
[09:52] <jacob> Is there a way to use apt-get to just download .deb-packages, as a normal user, not as root ?
[09:52] <Nonphasis> sowetimes debian chooses a "wrong" approach
[09:53] <meff> bah Nonphasis i do all the init ln'ing by hand :)
[09:53] <Nonphasis> meff, good luck on that ;-)
[09:53] <Skif> note to self: when building an ubuntu-like kernel using make-kpkg, remember to specify --initrd 
[09:53] <Skif> d'oh!
[09:53] <Nonphasis> meff, that's how some early Linux books suggest it be done
[09:53] <meff> really? hah
[09:54] <meff> i've never read a linux book
[09:54] <meff> im au naturale or something :P
[09:54] <Nonphasis> reading a book is good too
[09:54] <Nonphasis> I read every book I can get my hands on, just for the kicks :)
[09:55] <Nonphasis> playboy suckso
[09:55] <iz> :)
[09:55] <Nonphasis> for pr0n, just call 555-INTERNET
[09:55] <meff> oh your one of those who just 'read' it 
[09:55] <meff> hehe
[09:56] <Nonphasis> ok, I am really drunk enough
[09:56] <Tomcat_> Well he's right...
[09:56] <Tomcat_> Playboy sucks for p0rn.
[09:56] <Nonphasis> gotta meet the pals @ bar
[09:56] <Skif> "The Internet is really an outstanding pornography-delivery vehicle." (name that quote)
[09:56] <Nonphasis> yeah, it's hardly pr0n
[09:56] <Nonphasis> almost as much as donald duck (no pants there)
[09:56] <punkass> meff: thanks again..worked like a charm
[09:56] <meff> punkass: cool np
[09:57] <cenerentola> who can tell me how to erase a rw cd?
[09:57] <Tomcat_> "The Internet was designed to be a scaling, undestroyable network so that in a Nuclear war, American military leaders would still have access to pornography"
[09:58] <punkass> haha
[09:58] <cenerentola> who said that?
[09:58] <Tomcat_> Wait, maybe I can find it...
[09:59] <Tomcat_> http://www.deadtroll.com/video/parents.html
[09:59] <Tomcat_> This is it. :)
[09:59] <meff> cenerentola: cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/whatever speed=whatever
[10:01] <cenerentola> yeah but in ubuntu how should i run it
[10:01] <meff> w/ sudo
[10:01] <eruditus> I've just installed an application (lyx) and it's not showing up in the menus...
[10:02] <meff> eruditus: if its from universe i dont think it will
[10:02] <jacob> How do I calulate the url of a deb.package ?
[10:02] <eruditus> meff- darn. thanks :)
[10:02] <cenerentola> enrico@testoclone:~ $ cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/hdc
[10:02] <cenerentola> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a29 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling
[10:02] <cenerentola> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an unofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[10:02] <cenerentola>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[10:02] <cenerentola>       Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian.org>.
[10:02] <cenerentola>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[10:02] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[10:02] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[10:03] <cenerentola> scsidev: '/dev/hdc'
[10:03] <cenerentola> devname: '/dev/hdc'
[10:03] <cenerentola> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[10:03] <cenerentola> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[10:03] <HeMan> Hi! I've just installed ubuntu but there are some programs that i'm missing, could i download source from debian unstable and create a deb that works with ubuntu?
[10:03] <cenerentola> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
[10:03] <cenerentola> Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'.
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Warning: using unofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c      1.90 04/01/14 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling').
[10:03] <cenerentola> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[10:03] <iz> wow
[10:03] <cenerentola> Version        : 0
[10:03] <cenerentola> Response Format: 2
[10:03] <cenerentola> Capabilities   :
[10:03] <meff> meep
[10:03] <Kamion> cenerentola: don't do that, please.
[10:03] <cenerentola> Vendor_info    : 'TOSHIBA '
[10:03] <iz> ho
[10:03] <cenerentola> Identifikation : 'DVD-ROM SD-M1712'
[10:03] <twitchgame> ummmmm
[10:03] <cenerentola> Revision       : '1004'
[10:03] <cenerentola> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[10:03] <iz> stop
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[10:03] <jacob> Thanks cenerentola, my questions is now very likely to not be seen
[10:03] <cenerentola> ...sorry
[10:03] <Kamion> cenerentola: never paste without asking for permission.
[10:04] <Kamion> and never paste large quantities outside #flood
[10:04] <meff> cenerentola: try with sudo..
[10:04] <HeMan> Hi! I've just installed ubuntu but there are some programs that i'm missing, could i download source from debian unstable and create a deb that works with ubuntu?
[10:04] <eruditus> meff- of course, it's much easier to add an item in ubuntu than in W*ndoze... :)
[10:04] <iz> HeMan, why not?
[10:04] <HeMan> (wrote it again since the flooding...)
[10:04] <skar> hi, when i run "apt-get -you install gnotime", i get the error "gnotime: Depends: libgtkhtml3.1-11 (>= 3.1.19) but it is not going to be installed". what do i do now?
[10:05] <HeMan> iz: wasn't sure
[10:05] <Kamion> jacob: 'apt-cache show <package>', look at the Filename: field, tack onto the end of the repository it's coming from
[10:05] <calc> toshiba 1712 is just a 16x DVD-ROM not a writeable
[10:05] <eruditus> one more question --- how do I change the services running? I need to do that in order to change my sound driver. It has, as always, been miss-detected...
[10:05] <skar> i did a "apt-show-versions | grep gtkht" and got "libgtkhtml3.2-11/warty uptodate 3.2.3-0ubuntu1"
[10:05] <Solkaris> shar got universe and multiverse in your etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:06] <skar> so, whats this fuss about libgtkhtml not there and can't be installed, when its there already?
[10:06] <eruditus> anyone?
[10:06] <skar> solkaris:you asking me?
[10:07] <Solkaris> skar yep
[10:07] <skar> solkaris:no only universe there
[10:07] <Kamion> jacob: or 'apt-get -qqy --print-uris --reinstall <package>' (but that'll print the URIs of dependencies too)
[10:07] <Solkaris> skar hmmm 
[10:07] <skar> solkaris:though, i dunno what universe or multiverse are?
[10:08] <eruditus> meff- do you know how to access the services running and change them?
[10:08] <skar> solkaris:how can libgtkhtml cannot be installed, when its already installed?
[10:08] <jacob> Kamion, ok, that should get me going , thanks
[10:08] <Solkaris> Skar try adding multiverse to sources.list and see if it will install then
[10:09] <aardvark> bonjour everyone
[10:09] <Solkaris> skar not sure .. but ran into a problem that was similar to yours and adding multiverse to the sources.list got it to work
[10:09] <eruditus> anyone?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[10:10] <skar> solkaris:does that mean changing "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe" to "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse" ?
[10:10] <aardvark> how would I be able t verify that I am indeed running Ubuntu 1.0 instead of a RC version
[10:10] <aardvark> i followed upgrade docs 
[10:10] <skar> solkaris:guess i've got to learn apt-get and unlearn emerge :(
[10:11] <Kamion> skar: right
[10:11] <Solkaris> skar forget that I just tried it and it still doesnt work
[10:12] <aardvark> uname results = Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:12] <cenerentola> all: how can i turn on the navigation bar in nautilus?
[10:12] <andred> When will the pressed CD's be sent out?
[10:12] <eruditus> I need to access the services..... HELP!!!
[10:13] <aardvark> eruditus: which services
[10:13] <eruditus> aardvark- the running services - like sound, etc...
[10:13] <aardvark> eruditus: what do you want to do ?
[10:13] <eruditus> aardvark- is there some kind of management program for that?
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- I need to switch a sound driver. My sound-card is always mis-detected...
[10:14] <aardvark> like control center
[10:14] <aardvark> aah
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- yeah...
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- like the mandrake control center
[10:15] <aardvark> theres a gnome control center
[10:15] <LinuxJones> eruditus, what kind of sound card do you have ?
[10:15] <HeMan> are there any other types besides restricted, universe and multiverse?
[10:15] <eruditus> aardvark- how do I access that?
[10:15] <mirak_> andred, they will be sent mid november......as soon as they are done being pressed
[10:15] <eruditus> LinuxJones- An AC97...
[10:15] <HeMan> i've added those but still missing some programs, eg netperf
[10:16] <aardvark> on the command line
[10:16] <eruditus> LinuxJones- the autodetection always gets the wrong one...
[10:16] <aardvark> type gnome-control-center
[10:16] <eruditus> aardvark- thank you :)
[10:16] <calc> cenerentola: still here?
[10:17] <aardvark> eruditus: select the ADVANCED icon then use Multimedia Systems Selector
[10:17] <cenerentola> calc: what's wrong whith that?
[10:17] <calc> uh kline that fool
[10:17] <eruditus> aardvark- thanks :)
[10:17] <iz> wow
[10:17] <LinuxJones> Keyser wtf ??
[10:17] <eruditus> KeyserSoze- STOP
[10:17] <aardvark> eruditus: no worries
[10:18] <calc> cenerentola: do you have more than one optical drive in the system? the one you pasted before isn't a writable drive, not sure if you saw my response earlier
[10:18] <Tzalidar> gah, now i downgraded my jdk to 1.4.2_06 and i still can't launch eclipse from the gnome panel
[10:18] <Tzalidar> why, oh, why :)
[10:18] <cenerentola> yeah... it's been the biggest mistake ever done...
[10:18] <cenerentola> and one of the most stupid questions ever made..
[10:18] <aardvark> KeyserSoze: u having problems ?
[10:18] <cenerentola> now is burning ...
[10:18] <Tzalidar> and yes, i have restarted my x session since setting the environment vars
[10:18] <calc> cenerentola: ok
[10:18] <crimsun> argh.
[10:18] <eruditus> aardvark- well, I managed to change the pipeline, but haven't managed to change the driver...
[10:18] <calc> someone ban KeyserSoze already
[10:18] <cenerentola> calc: the led on the burner is blinkin...
[10:19] <iz> kill -9 KeyserSoze
[10:19] <cenerentola> i dont know if its normale
[10:19] <LinuxJones> omg someone ban Keyser please
[10:19] <eruditus> iz - hehehe
[10:19] <aardvark> eruditus: which soundcard u using ? driver ?
[10:19] <calc> cenerentola: ok
[10:19] <eruditus> aardvark- ac97 - but I just remember that there are 2 drivers for it, and I need the "other" one...
[10:19] <LinuxJones> eruditus, you use the snd-ac97-codec ?
[10:19] <eruditus> wait - lemme see....
[10:20] <cenerentola> calc: if there were problems it would have said it no?
[10:20] <aardvark> eruditus: is it installed
[10:20] <calc> cenerentola: i think so
[10:20] <cenerentola> thx
[10:21] <eruditus> VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller - that's the device name...
[10:21] <Skif> Okay, I think I've figured out how to support keyspan drivers with an otherwise unmodified ubuntu kernel-- is this something that should go on the wiki, given that it involves patching the kernel (minimally, but even so...) and non-free firmware?
[10:21] <eruditus> Where the **** do I find the driver name?!
[10:22] <aardvark> eruditus:  is it a onboard sound controller
[10:22] <eruditus> aardvark- yes it is.
[10:22] <aardvark> eruditus: what make of MB ?
[10:22] <aardvark> eruditus: chipset ?
[10:22] <plovs> Skif: write a KeyspanDriverHowto
[10:23] <Skif> plovs: 'k, will do
[10:23] <eruditus> aardvark- stated above --- VT82C686...
[10:24] <Tzalidar> gah, why can't i launch eclipse from gnome
[10:25] <eruditus> brb
[10:25] <aardvark> eruditus: uhhhh looks like you need to load the via82cxxx_audio kernel module
[10:26] <eruditus> aardvark- ok - how do I do that?
[10:27] <aardvark> eruditus: first check lsmod to verify which drivers loaded
[10:27] <eruditus> aardvark- ok - don't worry about it - found the wiki :)
[10:27] <eruditus> thanks a lot tho :)
[10:27] <aardvark> eruditus: cool
[10:27] <aardvark> eruditus: what link u got there for it ?
[10:27] <eruditus> aardvark- thank you very much for all your help. 
[10:27] <skar> hi, anybody know of any planner/calendar app, which can list percent of tasks completed, time spent on each task on a specific day and also the tasks performed on a specific day, like gnotime(ofcourse other than gnotime, which seems to be broken currently)?
[10:27] <meff> Kamion: is there/or are there any plans to make a menu generated by packages installed like debian does? so we don't have to add the apps to gnome manually..
[10:28] <aardvark> eruditus: no problem
[10:31] <michel_v> flash\\off: non credo che questo channel sia tanto bene per questo :P
[10:31] <imnes> Does ubuntu support software raid, and does it allow you to create a raid array from the installer and install to it directly?
[10:31] <bestadvocate> skar: did you try opengroupware.org?
[10:31] <flash\\off> michel_v, lol sei italiano?
[10:31] <michel_v> (just for the record, the guy's asking for 81+ years old virgin guys for BDSM games, if anyone's interested)
[10:31] <aardvark> imnes: do a man md
[10:32] <michel_v> flash\\off: sono Corso, posso parlare un poco l'italiano
[10:32] <skar> bestadvocate: i'd rather prefer desktop apps, as they're fast and intuitive
[10:32] <twitchgame> evo doesn't do that sort of thing?
[10:32] <punkass> what is a good vnc client for ubuntu?
[10:32] <imnes> aardvark:  Do you know if the ubuntu installer will allow you to create and install to a raid array?
[10:33] <burner> punkass: tsclient
[10:33] <aardvark> imnes: software or hardware ?
[10:33] <punkass> just something to view a windows vncserver form ubuntu
[10:33] <skar> twitchgame: if it does, then i'll be over the moon
[10:34] <burner> hardware vnc?  is there such a thing?
[10:34] <imnes> punkass: xvncviewer comes installed I think
[10:34] <skar> twitchgame: i've been using gnotime and it was great, just fast and simple to use, a few clicks for every 2-3 hours or so :)
[10:34] <imnes> or even just vncviewer
[10:35] <imnes> aardvark: software
[10:35] <aardvark> imnes: u wanna configure it as part of install process ?
[10:35] <burner> vncviewer is so non-ubuntu though
[10:35] <burner> er... non-gnome even
[10:35] <punkass> imnes: ah thanks :)
[10:35] <burner> tsclient is all pretty and stuff
[10:35] <imnes> aardvark: I have a pair of 80gb drives and I want to make a striped raid array and install ubntu to it.
[10:36] <aardvark> tsclient is terminal server / windows based
[10:36] <punkass> imnes: is it in the menus?
[10:36] <punkass> not sitting in front of a ubuntu box at the moment
[10:36] <imnes> punkass: no you can do Appolications -> Run and just type in xvncviewer
[10:36] <punkass> ok
[10:36] <skar> how do i integrate planner with evolution calendar?
[10:36] <inklingx> tsclient is gnome and can connect to vnc servers -> Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[10:36] <punkass> imnes:k thanks
[10:36] <aardvark> punkass: sudo apt-get install tsclient
[10:37] <skar> twitchgame: i guess thats what you meant, right?
[10:38] <imnes> aardvark: I've done raid arrays through the installers for redhat and mandrake before, was hoping ubuntu has something similar.
[10:38] <twitchgame> skar: i don't actually know what evo can or can't do but i would have thought it would have some sort of task functionality in it
[10:38] <aardvark> imnes: follow this http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html
[10:38] <imnes> ok
[10:38] <aardvark> imnes: I dont think so at this point
[10:38] <aardvark> I speak under correction though
[10:39] <punkass> why is tsclient better?
[10:39] <burner> it's gnomeified
[10:39] <burner> that's all
[10:39] <clee> heh.
[10:39] <punkass> so it just looks nicer?
[10:40] <burner> punkass: http://gnomepro.com/tsclient/screenshots.phtml
[10:40] <burner> yes :)
[10:41] <punkass> ah yes it does look nice
[10:42] <bur[n] er> exit
[10:44] <CoryK> Getting acquainted with the basics
[10:44] <CoryK>     * The Seeing Is Believing Lesson  Setup, scaffolding show-off, hello world!
[10:44] <CoryK>     * Rails for windows  Simple setup under win32
[10:44] <CoryK>     * Rails for windows part2  XAMPP install, db usage
[10:44] <CoryK> shouldn't that first one actually follow the other 2...
[10:45] <CoryK> don't you need rails setup in order to actually follow the video...
[10:47] <CoryK> what is that square icon that keeps flashing?
[10:47] <CoryK> damn
[10:47] <CoryK> i just realized that i'm not even on the right channel
[10:47] <L|nu}{> lol
[10:48] <inklingx> and not even on the right planet i guess ;)
[10:48] <CoryK> :P
[10:48] <WW> join swingingsingles
[10:48] <WW> Hey babes!
[10:48] <WW> oh shit
[10:48] <WW> nm
[10:49] <burner> lol
[10:51] <cprov> Hi guys, I'm unable to boot Ubuntu (sounder9) in a PIII-Coopermine machine with 512Mb SDRAM , it returns a kernel panic with trace starting with "acpi_ut_acquire_from_cache", I'd already tried "pci=noacpi acpi=off" and the got the same result
[10:52] <aardvark> WW: hahaha :D 
[10:53] <bern`> hello everyone
[10:53] <aardvark> bern`: *nod
[10:56] <burner> will someone accept a dcc send of mine for testing?
[10:56] <MarcN> fyi: ubuntu 1.0 install report http://nozell.com/blog/archives/2004/10/22/installing-ubuntu-10-on-an-hpcompaq-nc6000-laptop/
[10:56] <punkass> cprov: the only other one i know is:  nolapic
[10:57] <punkass> i had to use that one on a dell D600
[10:58] <cprov> punkass: I'll try, just a minute
[11:02] <aardvark> MarcN: I read "funny NSFW story".....hehehehe
[11:02] <ondrej> g'evening everybody
[11:03] <MarcN> aardvark, true too.
[11:03] <MarcN> aardvark, isn't gettyimages a microsoft stronghold?
[11:03] <aardvark> MarcN: kinda...but the penguin is rolling into town
[11:04] <aardvark> MarcN: we got Sun too
[11:04] <MarcN> aardvark, we have something like 300+ linux boxes in production at work.
[11:05] <aardvark> MarcN: at ?
[11:05] <inklingx> MarcN: it is not ubuntu 1.0, but 4.10 ;)
[11:05] <MarcN> inklingx, noted.  I'll fix soon.
[11:05] <MarcN> aardvark, a large hardware vendor.  you can figure it out from my blog
[11:06] <aardvark> MarcN: can u say OpenView
[11:06] <MarcN> aardvark, I can, but prefer to say ProLiant.
[11:06] <aardvark> MarcN: hahaha sure.....
[11:06] <aardvark> MarcN: I am a client then
[11:07] <MarcN> inklingx, fixed ubuntu 4.10
[11:08] <aardvark> MarcN: 300 linux boxen running which linux distro ?
[11:08] <aardvark> OOps he left
[11:08] <bern`> anyone know howcome ethereal isn't in the ubuntu repository?
[11:08] <bern`> and does anoyone know of any good ubuntu repositories
[11:09] <LinuxJones> bern`, ethereal si in universe
[11:10] <bern`> LinuxJones, i'm not to sure what that means?
[11:11] <bern`> LinuxJones, I'm quite new to linux itself but i tihnk i'm getting the hang of it
[11:11] <cardador> bern`: open synaptic,  settings, repositories, tick the 4th line and untick the 2nd
[11:12] <WW> bern`: For some background, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:12] <aardvark> bern`: did u uncomment the apt conf file settings for universe ?
[11:12] <bern`> cardador, thanks i'll do that now
[11:12] <bern`> WW, thanks as well
[11:12] <cardador> bern`: then, click reload and search for ethereal
[11:13] <cardador> aardvark: if a graphical solution is available, i think its better over comand line solution
[11:14] <aardvark> cardador: the joys of Nix.....gui and commandline
[11:14] <bern`> thanks guys that worked
[11:14] <LinuxJones> bern`, sorry I went afk
[11:14] <cardador> aardvark: i tend to prefer gui but command line is faster :)
[11:14] <bern`> didn't know of that
[11:14] <Poyayan> ok just installed it
[11:14] <Poyayan> pretty good so far
[11:15] <aardvark> cardador: choice is great thing !
[11:15] <alani> can anyone explain me please the diff between normal boot and rescue ? does ubuntu use the same kernel ?
[11:15] <aardvark> rescue is when regular fails, allowing you to specify boot parameters ?
[11:15] <xskoulax-> afternoon, morning, evening whatever the case maybe where you're at. I'm wondering where to pass the option to tell ubuntu to ignore my laptops plug and play bios, PnP is disabled at the bios level already, but Ubuntu still warns about stability issues and suggests passing the "nopnpbios" option
[11:16] <alani> I keep on getting kernel panics when booting with normal mode
[11:16] <alani> with rescue I just suceeded the first time
[11:16] <aardvark> alani: hmmm, what does dmesg say ?
[11:16] <LinuxJones> xskoulax, I jsut disable it in system bios
[11:16] <alani> aardvark, wait a sec, I will just reboot
[11:16] <aardvark> alani: u need to troubleshoot !
[11:17] <xskoulax-> LinuxJones: its disabled there but ubuntu still warns about it for some reason
[11:17] <LinuxJones> xskoulax, that' odd
[11:17] <Poyayan> just a question are the Ubuntu packages i486 or i386?  the cd has them all as i386 but the website says it's compiled using the i486 instruction set
[11:18] <alani> aardvark: now this is interesting it just worked for the first time booting with the normal mode
[11:18] <alani> I guess it could be memory problems
[11:19] <MarcN> nice, my intel w2100 wireless works out of the box 
[11:19] <aardvark> alani: just check dmesg
[11:20] <alani> aardvark: have you ever tried the memory test entry in grub ??
[11:20] <alani> I just got an unexpected interrupt
[11:20] <aardvark> alani: oops, thats not good
[11:21] <alani> aardvark: yep, and it actually is a new system, so certainly not ubuntus fault ;-)
[11:21] <cprov> punkass: with "lapic" it just crash earlier ... strange behavior. 
[11:22] <punkass> did u try nolapic?
[11:22] <Poyayan> I know out of the box you can't play mp3's but is there a plugin for rythmbox to allow mp3 playing?
[11:25] <WW> Poyayan: Hmmm... no answer to your question.  I think the answer is yes, but I don't know what or where the package is,
[11:26] <ribo> so just tried ubuntu for the first time. i have to say it's the most polished desktop distro i've seen
[11:26] <GotD0t-out> why don't you just use xmms
[11:27] <burner> beep-media-player is cooler
[11:27] <cardador> Poyayan: go to ubuntu web page, i guess that question is answered in the FAQ
[11:28] <ribo> i'm sorta missing galeon though :| and it's not in universe
[11:28] <WW> Isn't there some sort of mp3 support available in universe?
[11:28] <aardvark> burner: beep-media-player ?
[11:30] <Poyayan> well the faq just says that they are looking into the nature of divx, dvd, mp3, etc usage restrictions
[11:30] <Poyayan> they say to install mplayer and use totem-xine but nothing about getting rythmbox to work with mp3's
[11:30] <dommi> ubuntu is going to stop offering mp3 playback?
[11:30] <Poyayan> at least nothing I've been able to fine
[11:31] <cardador> Poyayan: i am listening to mp3s with rythmbox
[11:31] <dommi> rhythmbox works for me
[11:31] <WW> What packages use the library gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:31] <Poyayan> really? what packages with rythmbox do you have cardador and dommi?
[11:31] <WW> s/library/plugin/
[11:31] <cardador> Poyayan: dont remember wich one
[11:31] <WW> Wait, I guess that would be totem-gstreamer?
[11:32] <dommi> Poyayan, dunno, it just works
[11:32] <inklingx> gstreamer0.8-mad is the one for enabling mp3 playback in rhythmbox
[11:32] <WW> Poyayan: gstreamer0.8-mad is an mp3 plugin.
[11:32] <Poyayan> oh
[11:33] <Poyayan> ok is there one for ffmpeg (aka divx playback)?
[11:34] <cardador> Poyayan: totem plays divx
[11:34] <Poyayan> again not by default though
[11:34] <cardador> Poyayan: youll need to add marillat repositories
[11:34] <Poyayan> ... yay
[11:34] <cardador> Poyayan: again, search the FAQ or wiki
[11:35] <Poyayan> merci
[11:35] <aardvark> Poyayan: try VLC
[11:35] <bern`> when i'm adding a new repository should i put multiverse as the section?
[11:36] <cardador> bern`: that depends on the repository
[11:36] <cardador> bern`: normally its "main"
[11:36] <cardador> never heard of multiverse
[11:37] <WW> bern`: What repository are you adding?  multiverse is an ubuntu component.
[11:37] <WW> bern`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[11:37] <bern`> WW,  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[11:37] <WW> bern`: Ah, then don't use multiverse.
[11:37] <tvon> official ubuntu has main, restricted universe and multiverse at leaset
[11:37] <tvon> least
[11:38] <bern`> just use main?
[11:38] <tvon> I don't know what multiverse is about though
[11:38] <bern`> WW,  just add it to main?
[11:38] <cardador> tvon: maybe WW can explain :)
[11:38] <WW> bern`: Scroll to the bottom: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:39] <bern`> WW,  okie doke i'll look at it now
[11:39] <WW> Regarding multiverse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[11:41] <bern`> WW, thanks alot WW that was just what i was looking for but couldn't find it
[11:44] <letheus> What is the best e-mail program for linux, in your opinion?
[11:44] <cardador> letheus: evolution
[11:45] <WW> letheus: Best? Who knows?  I use evolution (but sometimes I pine for pine).
[11:45] <mikedo> hey does anyone know how to get my ISA Soundblaster 16 to work? I tried to modify /etc/modules.conf but after upgrading system I again don't have sound?
[11:47] <stvn> mikedo: you need to add some configuration options to the module IIRC
[11:47] <letheus> Ok :)
[11:47] <stvn> mikedo: like IRQ etc
[11:47] <bern`> well darn
[11:48] <bern`> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat only has packages for i386
[11:49] <bern`> anyone known retricted format repositories for a64?
[11:49] <mikedo> what configuration options?
[11:50] <stvn> mikedo: I used to have a soundblaster ISA card, and had the proper values for my setup memorized, but they differ per system
[11:51] <stvn> mikedo: the IRQ and something else, you've to discover them somehow, I used win98 for that
[11:51] <mikedo> stvn: what did you have
[11:51] <stvn> mikedo: but I swapped it for a PCI card the first change I had, but if you google for ISA and soundblaster, you might get the answer
[11:52] <plovs> hornbeck: hi!
[11:52] <e> has anyone gotten kde 3.3 to work on their ubuntu yet?
[11:52] <mikedo> I'll try to google
[11:53] <mikedo> hey sasha privet!
[11:53] <trev0r> How long do you think it will take for a cd to arrive once I order it?
[11:53] <mikedo> kak dela v komnate 58
[11:53] <hornbeck> plovs: go to devel
[11:54] <mikedo> plovs: privet sasha!
[11:54] <Blues-Man> hi to all
[11:54] <hornbeck> hello
[11:55] <SporcusPorcus> my unbutu brings all the boys to the floor damn right its crappy as yours it can break you and make you bored
[11:55] <skar> how do i view lines containing my nick alone in irc chats under gaim?
[11:55] <Blues-Man> can i upgrade ubuntu to sid or only ubuntu upgrades every 6 month?
[11:55] <ribo> is there an apt source for galeon :|
[11:55] <SporcusPorcus> skar: rt gaim manual
[11:57] <lrn> how can i check if i got the latest ubuntu release 
[11:57] <lrn> the final i mean
[11:57] <StarScream> is this the channel for unbuntu ppc as well or is there another on??
[11:57] <StarScream> +e
[11:58] <SporcusPorcus> well open up your browser and check if you picked teh correct iso imagine lrn 
[11:58] <lrn> SporcusPorcus i had all the time the preview version and i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[11:58] <xskoulax> StarScream: iirc there are a few people here running ppc boxes
[11:58] <lrn> how can i know if now i have the final release
[11:58] <stvn> lrn: do an update today, if nothing changes, you got it
[11:59] <SporcusPorcus> use the force
[11:59] <Blues-Man> excuse me , what's the default x font for gnome 2.8 on ubuntu? 
[11:59] <lrn> well the logon screen and the splash screen changed,thank god they removed this pepole from there :P
[11:59] <lrn> i liked the chiks
[11:59] <lrn> but what the hell is this gay in the middle
[11:59] <plovs> mikedo: privet!