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| kiko | BradB, is __dict__ available on an SQLO? | 12:58 |
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| BradB | nope, because if the interface | 12:59 |
| BradB | i wrote SQLObjectEditView though | 12:59 |
| BradB | so, it does this: | 12:59 |
| BradB | class Snapshot(object): | 12:59 |
| BradB | pass | 12:59 |
| BradB | content_before_modification = Snapshot() | 12:59 |
| BradB | for name in self.schema.names(): | 12:59 |
| BradB | setattr( | 12:59 |
| BradB | content_before_modification, | 12:59 |
| BradB | name, getattr(content, name)) | 12:59 |
| BradB | later, i have: | 01:00 |
| BradB | notify(SQLObjectModifiedEvent( | 01:00 |
| BradB | content, content_before_modification, self.fieldNames)) | 01:00 |
| BradB | it can probably use some improvement, but then, so can everything else. it works for now. | 01:01 |
| BradB | the tricky part (where i stopped earlier, and will resume tomorrow) is to output foo.bar in a useful way...knowing that it might be a "displayable" value, or an id for a vocab, or even an sqlobject. | 01:01 |
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| kiko | Indeed, because the Snapshot isn't an SQLO. | 04:26 |
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| BradB | kiko: that doesn't affect anything though | 04:38 |
| BradB | it's got the values | 04:38 |
| BradB | (and, of course, the snapshot can't be an sqlobject) | 04:38 |
| kiko | BradB, well, it affects the fact that following references doesn't unpersist them magically :) | 04:41 |
| BradB | nope. a snapshot of foo.person is still that ref to Person | 04:42 |
| kiko | oh. | 04:43 |
| kiko | you're actually handling that as well? | 04:43 |
| BradB | there's nothing special to do | 04:44 |
| BradB | foo.person is a Person, so when i assign that to something else (e.g. to the snapshot object), i've still got a person | 04:44 |
| kiko | I see. SQLO takes care of that for you when you so getattr(content, name). | 04:44 |
| BradB | yup | 04:44 |
| kiko | yes, I'm thinking at a lower level. | 04:44 |
| kiko | so how's canada BradB? | 04:45 |
| BradB | i'm kickin it in the plateau in montreal; it's great | 04:46 |
| kiko | winter's closing in huh? | 04:46 |
| kiko | we just bought a dual xeon server for the office, it toasts | 04:46 |
| BradB | whouch | 04:46 |
| BradB | yeah, winter's coming on. i'm ready for it. | 04:46 |
| kiko | the case weighs approximately a ton | 04:46 |
| BradB | heh | 04:47 |
| kiko | you bought a blanket? | 04:47 |
| BradB | built a better igloo | 04:47 |
| BradB | :P | 04:47 |
| kiko | you would be amazed at how hot this office is today man. | 04:47 |
| kiko | then again, http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/507802/ | 04:47 |
| BradB | hmmmm | 04:48 |
| BradB | so maybe sweat shops are the One True Way | 04:49 |
| kiko | you mean literal sweat shops. that's us. :) | 04:49 |
| BradB | heh | 04:49 |
| BradB | i went shopping for a thinkpad the other day...turns out the place i went (future shop) doesn't even sell em, ugh. | 04:50 |
| kiko | oh, so you didn't get one? | 04:50 |
| kiko | did jblack find anything surprising about HFS+? | 04:50 |
| BradB | nope, not yet, i'll find a place on the weekend | 04:50 |
| BradB | nope, hfs+ sucks | 04:50 |
| BradB | ufs would be better. i'd like to hold onto os x, but i'm almost ready to give it up. | 04:50 |
| BradB | i either buy a new powerbook, or a buy a new not-powerbook | 04:51 |
| BradB | on a new pb g4, i'd put panther and UFS | 04:51 |
| kiko | and UFS is nice? | 04:53 |
| BradB | it's supposed to be much, much faster than HFS+ | 04:53 |
| BradB | i could live with it being a bit slower than ext3, but only so much... | 04:53 |
| kiko | have you considered running LNX on that thing? | 04:54 |
| BradB | the only thing i'd do to this machine is put more ram in it. i'm waiting till i get new hardware to be installing any new os, whether it's os x or linux. | 04:54 |
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| === sabdfl has been reading the zope3 docs for the first time | ||
| sabdfl | cool | 11:58 |
| sabdfl | events. very cool. | 11:58 |
| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: changes on Nicole still not working on mawson (patch-676) | 02:45 |
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| SteveA | BradB: full moinmoin is now in zwiki | 03:49 |
| SteveA | I'll produce another snapshot in a bit. | 03:49 |
| BradB | SteveA: i think sabdfl was going to get the zwiki guys to take care of installing it, but i could be wrong | 03:49 |
| sabdfl | hi guys | 03:50 |
| BradB | hi :) | 03:50 |
| sabdfl | BradB: didn't want to distract you from malone so i thought roche could do it | 03:51 |
| sabdfl | but if it's really quick, then let's do it amongst ourselves | 03:51 |
| sabdfl | two things: need to restrict the wiki folder to just wiki pages | 03:51 |
| sabdfl | and need to prevent the wiki pages from showing up in the navbar on the left | 03:51 |
| sabdfl | inside the wiki, we'll just use wiki navigation | 03:51 |
| sabdfl | BradB: how does the locking mechanism work? nominated people only can edit those pages? | 03:53 |
| BradB | okay, so basically all this involves is installing zwiki, and blowing away and readding /wiki? | 03:53 |
| sabdfl | no, can leave the existing /wiki | 03:53 |
| BradB | ok | 03:53 |
| sabdfl | we'll just move the stuff they have created there to better locations | 03:53 |
| sabdfl | limit /wiki/ to wiki pages only | 03:54 |
| BradB | sabdfl: with locking, only managers can unlock/edit the pages | 03:54 |
| sabdfl | ok, and who sets the list of managers? | 03:54 |
| BradB | dunno | 03:54 |
| BradB | maybe roche was doing that before | 03:54 |
| BradB | maybe there's a group set up so that it's easy to do through the plone ui, but i haven't looked | 03:54 |
| === BradB goes looking | ||
| SteveA | https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~stevea/zwiki-2004-10-23.tar.gz | 03:55 |
| SteveA | simon took out the previous moinmoin support, and ported the parsing directly from moinmoin itself | 03:55 |
| sabdfl | i suspect lulu knows | 03:55 |
| SteveA | isn't it wonderful when lots of open source projects are written in python | 03:55 |
| sabdfl | let's help the world get more wonder :-) | 03:56 |
| SteveA | lulu was setting up managers using the plone UI for that | 03:56 |
| BradB | sabdfl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/prefs_group_members?groupname=managers | 03:57 |
| ddaa | How can I have a look at the production launchpad? | 03:58 |
| ddaa | I want to know which sourcesources are still in the "do-not-sync" product. | 03:58 |
| ddaa | https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/ gives me a 403 | 03:59 |
| sabdfl | BradB: cool, thanks. when people edit a page on the web site that is not locked, do we get notified? | 04:05 |
| sabdfl | or can we see a list of pages that have been edited like that? | 04:05 |
| BradB | there's no notification happening, and there's no plone way of seeing a list of recently edited pages that i'm aware of (the collective is always having new products added though; it's possible there's something there that does something like that, but i'd have to dig around a bit) | 04:07 |
| === BradB wants to use repozo to backup Data.fs...isn't sure if it's trustable though | ||
| sabdfl | SteveA: semantics? | 04:08 |
| BradB | SteveA: is repozo.py -B -f Data.fs going to backup the Data.fs nicely? | 04:08 |
| sabdfl | foo = IAnInterface(bar, None) | 04:08 |
| sabdfl | will that give an object adapted to IAnInterface, or none if it could not find the relevant adapter? | 04:08 |
| SteveA | adapt bar to IAnInterface. If the adaption is not possible (bar does not provide IAnInterface, and is not adaptable to it), then return None. | 04:09 |
| SteveA | assign result to foo, of course | 04:09 |
| SteveA | yes, basically what you said | 04:09 |
| SteveA | BradB: um... I always have to check on the zodb wiki pages. let me find them for you... | 04:09 |
| sabdfl | "is not adaptable" | 04:09 |
| sabdfl | is that calculated on the basis of interfaces that bar implements()? | 04:10 |
| BradB | SteveA: i can see the docs in the file itself, i'm just not sure if i can trust that it'll work. :) | 04:10 |
| SteveA | http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/repozo | 04:10 |
| SteveA | I've backed up and restored following the instructions there, on the ubuntulinux and canonical sites | 04:10 |
| SteveA | when gentoo went down when we were in london | 04:10 |
| SteveA | bbiab | 04:11 |
| BradB | ok, thanks, i'll read and go for it then | 04:11 |
| SteveA | oh, there are some filestorage/zodb fsref errors early in the storage. removed with a pack. not serious. | 04:11 |
| SteveA | not caused by the power outage. | 04:11 |
| BradB | nice crontab entries: | 04:15 |
| BradB | # Zope has memory leaks ... | 04:15 |
| BradB | 3 */2 * * * /home/zope/instances/ubuntu/bin/zopectl restart > /dev/null 2>&1 | 04:15 |
| BradB | 10 4 * * * /home/zope/instances/canonical/bin/zopectl restart > /dev/null 2>&1 | 04:15 |
| === BradB shudders | ||
| sabdfl | BradB: i think elmo found that the zope instance was growing uncontrollably | 04:16 |
| BradB | yeah | 04:18 |
| BradB | the new wiki's installed | 04:21 |
| sabdfl | eish! | 04:27 |
| sabdfl | the wiki she is not working | 04:27 |
| sabdfl | BradB: ^ | 04:28 |
| BradB | it will again now | 04:28 |
| sabdfl | ah | 04:28 |
| BradB | i broke it temporarily to add the restrict method, but it didn't do what i expected, so i've removed it temporarily | 04:28 |
| sabdfl | ok | 04:32 |
| === sabdfl is really starting to like zope3 | ||
| BradB | there, restricting works | 04:33 |
| sabdfl | BradB: superstar, thanks | 04:33 |
| sabdfl | the existing non-wiki content can be moved out? | 04:33 |
| BradB | heh. last thing, i'll fix the navtree | 04:33 |
| BradB | it can be moved, sure | 04:34 |
| BradB | filtering should work fine in the navtree now | 04:38 |
| BradB | i notice members can't add wiki pages though | 04:39 |
| BradB | sabdfl: maybe that's how you guys want the perms though, i'm not sure. it's definitely configured to only allow managers to add wiki pages presently. | 04:42 |
| sabdfl | definitely want members to be able to create wiki pages | 04:42 |
| BradB | sabdfl: and delete pages? | 04:44 |
| BradB | or rename? | 04:44 |
| sabdfl | BradB: hmm.... maybe just managers for that | 04:44 |
| sabdfl | rename, yes, it's gacefully handled i think | 04:44 |
| sabdfl | not sure if rename to an existing name is caught well | 04:44 |
| BradB | it is | 04:45 |
| sabdfl | then yes, let members rename pages too | 04:46 |
| BradB | sabdfl: should be go to go now | 04:49 |
| sabdfl | navbar's still showing all the contents of /wiki/ | 04:50 |
| sabdfl | should just show "Wiki" with nothing beneath that | 04:50 |
| sabdfl | forces the navigation inside the wiki to be wikinav only | 04:50 |
| BradB | oh, i just config'd it to not show wiki pages | 04:51 |
| BradB | hm | 04:51 |
| sabdfl | hmm... maybe it just shows when you are logged in | 05:01 |
| BradB | those folders'll show to anyone, because they're published | 05:05 |
| BradB | basically, the list of meta types to not list in the navtree is a site-wide configuration | 05:05 |
| BradB | so, i said site-wide to not show wiki pages in the navtree | 05:05 |
| sabdfl | bradb: ok | 05:05 |
| sabdfl | it's looking pretty slick now, what do you think? | 05:06 |
| BradB | but since those folders are published, users still see them. can we make those folders under /wiki simply "visible"? | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | >:-) | 05:06 |
| BradB | seems pretty cool | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | those folder really should not be there at all | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | i gave the doc team some directions to start playing with it | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | and they created that content | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | i thought i'd cut and pasted the one folder to somewhere else | 05:06 |
| BradB | if it's only going to be wiki pages under /wiki, then this problem will magically go away once those folders are moved to better locations. | 05:06 |
| sabdfl | i guess the deleted pages one needs to stay there, but doens't have to be published | 05:07 |
| BradB | it isn't currently (I'm assuming, because i don't see it while looking at the page unauth'd) | 05:07 |
| sabdfl | right | 05:08 |
| sabdfl | silly me :-) | 05:08 |
| sabdfl | and the other folders are just cache hangovers, will be gone in an hour or two | 05:08 |
| sabdfl | ok, i'm going to un-publish the wiki entry too, now we know it's working, so the doc team can continue to work quietly till we announce the switch | 05:08 |
| BradB | you're seeing the other folders because you're a manager | 05:09 |
| BradB | there's a site-wide setting that says "let managers see hidden content" | 05:09 |
| BradB | i don't see anything but those two prev mentioned folders when logged in as b.b@c.c | 05:09 |
| sabdfl | i've retracted the wiki content | 05:11 |
| BradB | pages? | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | so now we just have to get the old wiki content across and send out the announcement | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | thanks bradb | 05:11 |
| BradB | no prob | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | pages? | 05:12 |
| BradB | n/m, everything should be good | 05:27 |
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| sabdfl | stevea: ping | 06:06 |
| SteveA | hi | 06:07 |
| SteveA | need a hand moving wiki content? | 06:07 |
| === SteveA pongs sabdfl by name | ||
| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: canonical.arch.infoUpdater bugfix and increased verbosity (patch-677) | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | stevea: may have found a blocker on that front | 06:08 |
| === SteveA listens | ||
| sabdfl | pages like /ReleaseSchedule | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | in moin, these are nested | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | so we have WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | and HoaryHedgehog/ReleaseSchedule | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | what's the zwiki equivalent? | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | can the zwiki span folders? | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | can a folder be a wiki page? | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | sort of | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | everything was going swimmingly till that point though, Moin tables *no problem* :-) | 06:10 |
| SteveA | they're not really nested, though, in moin | 06:10 |
| SteveA | it is just using the name with an artificial / in it | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | no, it's that bastard _2ef thing | 06:10 |
| SteveA | in zwiki, you usually just catenate things: WartyWarthogReleaseSchedule | 06:11 |
| SteveA | there is no particular magic nesting | 06:11 |
| SteveA | I'll just check about subfolders | 06:11 |
| SteveA | can't see a way to do subfolders without making a new ZWiki (with its own namespace) inside that subfolder | 06:13 |
| SteveA | if it really is a separate wiki namespace, then that's the thing to do | 06:13 |
| SteveA | otherwise, we can use WikiBadges to organise things into subtopics | 06:14 |
| SteveA | for example, have WartyWarthogRelated in each page that is to do with warty | 06:14 |
| sabdfl | from a search point of view it's probably fine to do it in separate wikis | 06:14 |
| SteveA | and so, that becomes a place where all warty-related things are linked from and too | 06:14 |
| SteveA | yeah -- site search will pick it all up | 06:14 |
| SteveA | But, a standard wiki name link won't work | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | except in the local namespace | 06:15 |
| SteveA | shouldn't be a hard feature to add, though, to make it work | 06:15 |
| SteveA | yeah -- I mean between nested wikis | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | would it require traversal hints in the name? ../HoaryHedgehog/ReleaseSchedule? | 06:15 |
| SteveA | not sure what to do about the page that is the root of the nested wiki | 06:16 |
| sabdfl | FrontPage as ever | 06:16 |
| SteveA | if that is WartyWarthog, then is that in the containing wiki, or the nested wiki? | 06:16 |
| SteveA | you can't have a page called WartyWarthog and a wiki folder called WartyWarthog | 06:16 |
| sabdfl | and renaming could get fun | 06:16 |
| sabdfl | hmm... | 06:16 |
| === sabdfl thinks | ||
| SteveA | you'd do the link as a standard "external" link, or as an inter-wiki link | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | maybe we should just concatenate and be done with it | 06:17 |
| SteveA | yeah -- probably best to keep it simple to start with | 06:17 |
| sabdfl | interwiki? | 06:17 |
| SteveA | if warty / hoary grows its own stuff such that it would make sense to split it off, we can do that at that time | 06:17 |
| SteveA | maybe with help of a couple of bounties to make it work better | 06:17 |
| === SteveA looks up interwiki links | ||
| SteveA | http://zwiki.org/RemoteWikiLinks | 06:18 |
| SteveA | I meant "remote wiki links" | 06:18 |
| carlos | sabdfl: did we lost any chance to get ubuntu.org? | 06:18 |
| sabdfl | carlos: i think so | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | pity | 06:19 |
| carlos | :-( | 06:19 |
| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/buildbot--devel--0: comments and better waterfall status (patch-62) | 06:20 |
| ddaa | sabdfl: have you made a decision on the location of the arch sprint just before the conf? | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | ddaa: london | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | unless we can come to your house! | 06:20 |
| === ddaa ponders | ||
| carlos | X-) | 06:21 |
| ddaa | There are two double beds available, but I'm uncertain that I would get the clearance from the landlord :-) | 06:21 |
| sabdfl | stevea: think we can do something semi-automatic on the migration? | 06:21 |
| sabdfl | or should we just brute force it tomorrow? | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | or get lulu to brute-force it Monday? | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | erm, that would be cute-force it | 06:22 |
| SteveA | we can probably do some things to make it easier. maybe produce a web page with direct links to all the raw pages on the moin wiki | 06:23 |
| SteveA | that way, lulu can click on each link, and there's the stuff ready for pasting into a new page on zwiki | 06:23 |
| SteveA | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationArea?action=raw | 06:24 |
| SteveA | for example | 06:24 |
| SteveA | Here's a list of all pages in the moin wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex?action=titleindex | 06:25 |
| SteveA | but, a lot of those are to do with the wiki itself :-( | 06:26 |
| sabdfl | yes, raw mode rocks | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | hmm... | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | could we nudge moin a little | 06:27 |
| sabdfl | to put a button at the top of the page | 06:27 |
| SteveA | there is a link at the top of the page | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | that posts a form with the right voodoo over to site-edit? | 06:28 |
| SteveA | oh.. | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | and pre-populate the form with the right stuff | 06:28 |
| sabdfl | so lulu just clicks on that button and BOOM is in site-edit with the wiki page ready | 06:28 |
| === sabdfl is very good at sneaky plans, it's a useful character flaw | ||
| SteveA | I guess that's possible. I haven't looked at the moin code. | 06:29 |
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| SteveA | I wonder whether a bookmarklet could do it | 06:30 |
| sabdfl | but the form contents and url would be predictable? | 06:30 |
| sabdfl | bookmarklet? | 06:30 |
| SteveA | bit of javascript you can put into a bookmark to extend your browser in interesting ways | 06:30 |
| sabdfl | i'd rather use a more limited tool set | 06:31 |
| SteveA | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiBookmarklet | 06:31 |
| sabdfl | we know python, moin and zope pretty well | 06:31 |
| SteveA | this is a one-off. and, I think there might be a bookmarklet that does almost what we need already. | 06:32 |
| SteveA | I'll take a browse through http://www.bookmarklets.com/tools/categor.html | 06:32 |
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| mdz | redhat has a shortcut from the top | 07:31 |
| mdz | -EWINDOW | 07:31 |
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| BradB | panther rocks da boat | 08:50 |
| BradB | bbl | 08:52 |
| jblack | SteveA: Hey, you there? | 09:01 |
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| jblack | any zope guys around? | 11:38 |
| SteveA | hey j | 11:42 |
| jblack | Hiya stevea. | 11:42 |
| jblack | I'm trying to do z3rc2. ./configure reports an optimum python, but I get an include error | 11:42 |
| SteveA | do you use jabber? | 11:43 |
| jblack | No sir. | 11:43 |
| SteveA | an include error is interesting | 11:43 |
| SteveA | paste here? http://paste.husk.org/ | 11:44 |
| jblack | http://paste.husk.org/1847 | 11:45 |
| SteveA | oh, that's an ImportError | 11:46 |
| SteveA | not an include error | 11:46 |
| SteveA | you haven't installed python-dev | 11:46 |
| SteveA | so, you don't have distutils | 11:46 |
| jblack | So I haven't. | 11:46 |
| SteveA | I keep making the case that distutils should be part of the default python install | 11:46 |
| SteveA | but, sabdfl and mdz (I think) think otherwise | 11:46 |
| jblack | distutils is in python-dev, I take it? | 11:46 |
| SteveA | yes | 11:46 |
| SteveA | it is part of the standard library | 11:46 |
| SteveA | I'm philosophically opposed to splitting the standard library | 11:47 |
| SteveA | otherwise, it isn't "standard" any more | 11:47 |
| SteveA | anyhow, enough trolling | 11:47 |
| mdz | SteveA: I'm not sure about sabdfl, but that is not my position | 11:47 |
| spiv | SteveA: There's an ubuntu bug about it... | 11:47 |
| SteveA | mdz: ok, sorry I misrepresented | 11:47 |
| mdz | SteveA: it's here in black and white: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1640 | 11:47 |
| spiv | mdz: Beat me to it :) | 11:48 |
| jblack | There we go! :) | 11:48 |
| spiv | We had a user on #ubuntu today caught by this problem, too. | 11:49 |
| spiv | So, I'm looking forward to it being fixed in hoary :) | 11:49 |
| SteveA | jblack: if you feel it is appropriate, maybe add that you've been caught out by the odd error | 11:53 |
| SteveA | to the bug report | 11:53 |
| jblack | Doing... | 11:53 |
| jblack | Hey... Silly thought? | 11:53 |
| jblack | Would it be appropriate to add a check/warning to configure to check for python-dev? | 11:54 |
| SteveA | no | 11:55 |
| SteveA | because distutils is in the standard library | 11:55 |
| SteveA | it is a broken python installation that doesn't have all of the standard library | 11:55 |
| SteveA | in order to get the full python installation on ubuntu, you need python and python-dev | 11:56 |
| SteveA | but, this is not made clear | 11:56 |
| SteveA | so, you were mislead into thinking you had a standard python installed | 11:56 |
| SteveA | when in fact you had a non-standard subset | 11:56 |
| jblack | Ahhh, because ubuntu didn't install it. | 11:58 |
| SteveA | right. "partial python" is in desktop or base or whatever | 11:59 |
| === jblack wonders if ubuntu sends the wrong message by not having a full development environment. | ||
| mdz | FWIW, if this issue had been raised a couple of months earlier, it's quite likely that it would have been changed for the Warty release | 12:00 |
| SteveA | I raised it a while ago | 12:00 |
| SteveA | can't remember exactly when | 12:00 |
| mdz | with me? | 12:00 |
| SteveA | no, with mark | 12:00 |
| SteveA | maybe I should have gone on the list too | 12:00 |
| jblack | I moaned lightly about gcc on canonical. | 12:00 |
| mdz | the first I heard about it was that bug report, which was about midway between preview and final | 12:00 |
| mdz | not the time to make that kind of change | 12:00 |
| jblack | actually, #warthogs | 12:00 |
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