[12:00] <GotD0t> is there a way to install firefox PR the proper way instead all in one folder?
[12:00] <SporcusPorcus> then again
[12:00] <SporcusPorcus> you never know
[12:00] <lrn> nop i ment gay :P
[12:00] <SporcusPorcus> damn subconcience
[12:00] <SporcusPorcus> damn spelling
[12:01] <lrn> ygnome - why not gnome ?
[12:02] <SporcusPorcus> cause it sucks he eh
[12:02] <lrn> its not
[12:02] <thursday> why does gnome suck?
[12:02] <hornbeck> it doesn't
[12:02] <SporcusPorcus> because a gnome stole my cupcakes
[12:02] <lrn> i liked fluxbox but can`t install hebrew there so
[12:02] <thursday> i like gnome...
[12:03] <thursday> stop it hacker
[12:03] <thursday> lol jk
[12:03] <lrn> ;p
[12:03] <SporcusPorcus> please
[12:03] <ygnome> ygnome: it's a question
[12:04] <ygnome> gnome is the answer...
[12:04] <skar> SporcusPorcus: at "http://gaim.sourceforge.net/documentation.php", i see only faq, keyboard shortcuts, status icons, Internationalization Statistics , Getting a backtrace, Protocols, API docs, perl scripting howto. i don't see any of these related to seeing messages addressed to me alone here
[12:04] <skar> SporcusPorcus: am i missing something here?
[12:04] <SporcusPorcus> skar: ask google
[12:05] <skar>  SporcusPorcus: ok
[12:06] <bern`> how can i go about getting my PCMCIA Orinoco gold b card working?
[12:07] <bern`> i have an internal G card but it's broadcom and isn't supported under 64bit yet
[12:07] <lrn> how i check my gtk version 
[12:07] <lrn> ?
[12:07] <SporcusPorcus> you know all these questions
[12:07] <SporcusPorcus> could be answered by reading
[12:07] <SporcusPorcus> use google
[12:08] <thursday> lrn, dpkg -l | grep libgtk
[12:08] <skar> SporcusPorcus: guess google got it, well this line should be highlighted skar
[12:08] <lrn> seems like 2.4.10
[12:08] <thursday> that's what i have too
[12:09] <SporcusPorcus> skar: use a real irc client like irssi or god forbid xchat
[12:09] <letheus> Am i the only who experienced trouble with recieving mails in Evolution?
[12:09] <hypn0_> or chatzilla
[12:09] <SporcusPorcus> i said real irc
[12:09] <stvn> or that funny MSchat thign with faces
[12:09] <eruin> ubuntu uses xfree86?
[12:09] <stvn> *hides*
[12:09] <hypn0_> xchat does even do graphical smileys :-P
[12:09] <thursday> xchat will do for me till the gnome folk release the gnome irc client
[12:10] <skar> SporcusPorcus: gr8, it notifies correctly now, thanx very much, now one less app for irc and im
[12:10] <hypn0_> *doesnt 
[12:10] <tvon> eruin: yes
[12:10] <stvn> eruin: yes, at least warty does
[12:10] <tvon> for the moment
[12:10] <eruin> tvon: whens the switch to xorg planned?
[12:10] <tvon> I think xorg is slated for hoary
[12:10] <skar> SporcusPorcus: gaim's got a separate plug in for notifying me, the OSS goodness :)
[12:10] <eruin> you have an idea of when it'll start showing up in unstable trees?
[12:10] <tvon> maybe by then Composite will be useful :)
[12:11] <tvon> eruin: no idea, I'm not even sure when real Hoary hacking will commence
[12:11] <thursday> # cat /etc/debian_version
[12:11] <thursday> testing/unstable
[12:11] <thursday> shouldnt that say the ubuntu release name? :(
[12:11] <tvon> though Hoary is going to rock.  I think inotify is going to get in, along iwth NetworkManager and some other goodies
[12:11] <vegai> has anyone solved the problem of yucky fonts with large TFT monitors?
[12:11] <thursday> vegai, yucky?
[12:11] <mdz> thursday: no, unfortunately some tools rely on it.  we'll fix them in the future, but for now, it's easiest to leave it there
[12:11] <vegai> I've read font-deuglification HOWTO (and seems that ubuntu implements its fixes)
[12:11] <tvon> thursday: well the file *is* called debian_version and not ubuntu_version :)
[12:11] <Kamion> thursday: no, that's in /etc/lsb-release
[12:12] <vegai> thursday: fonts are uglier than in a competing OS
[12:12] <stvn> two
[12:12] <thursday> whoa i didnt know about lsb-release
[12:12] <eruin> thursday: umm, well, I thought ubuntu was supposed to be compatible with debian repos, thus that needed. also implies that xorg won't be in ubuntu until sarge is stable and xorg is starting to flow inside debian unstable?
[12:12] <mdz> there is no 2.6.8-3 in Ubuntu
[12:12] <thursday> vegain, define ugly?
[12:12] <vegai> thursday: oh, that's a tough one :/
[12:12] <stvn> mdz: sorry, i meant 2.6.8.1-3 ;)
[12:12] <joolz> thursday: dubbelplus unbautiful
[12:12] <mdz> thursday: and the corresponding lsb_release tool to parse it
[12:12] <vegai> it's subjective, of course
[12:13] <mdz> stvn: likewise, Debian has no 2.6.8.1-3 :-)
[12:13] <mdz> debian decided to call them 2.6.8, and just apply the .1 patch
[12:13] <thursday> vegai, if your problem is just  that you want nicer foonts like from microsoft you can just copy those fonts to ~/.fonts
[12:13] <vegai> thursday: I installed msttcorefonts and I tried those too
[12:13] <thursday> vegai, and they look bad?
[12:13] <vegai> they are bit better
[12:14] <vegai> I wish I could put my finger on the problem
[12:14] <thursday> i use microsoft fonts on my system and they look identical to the ones on my winxp system
[12:14] <eruin> the actual xp fonts are better than the ones in msttcorefonts
[12:14] <stvn> mdz: heh, well ok never install two 2.6.8 kernels, grub/ubuntu got confused and used the wrong modules giving a horrid error and it refuses to mount /var which is very annoying/not workable
[12:14] <thursday> but then again i set fonts to monochrome
[12:14] <joolz> i have trouble playing wav's in rhythmbox... doesn't work. is that a (c) issue or is my pc broken?
[12:14] <vegai> yeah, I guess I could try that
[12:14] <Eno_> maybe you dont like the antialiasing?
[12:14] <vegai> maybe.
[12:14] <vegai> or maybe the DPI setting is wrong
[12:15] <thursday> yeah i don't like the aa so much either... i would sudgest you try the monochrome setting
[12:15] <thursday> i've never touched the dpi setting
[12:15] <vegai> I would've imagined that a TFT screen looks better with subpixel smoothing
[12:15] <Eno_> (oh my, monochrome is disgusting :))
[12:16] <joolz> monochrome? what are you guys on? mainframe? as/400? :)
[12:16] <thursday> i use Lucida Sans Unicode at size 8 on monochrome and it's easy on the eyes
[12:16] <vegai> they mean the Gnome font rendering setting "Monochrome"
[12:16] <vegai> which means "without anti-alias"
[12:16] <joolz> oh.. ok
[12:16] <phoen1x> hi all just installed ubuntu, my first ever distro :-)
[12:16] <thursday> congrats phoen1x !
[12:17] <joolz> phoen1x: join the club :)
[12:17] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to set it so when you boot up num lock is turned on
[12:17] <phoen1x> thanks :) now if only i can figure why there is no sound heh
[12:17] <GotD0t> sound from what?
[12:17] <joolz> GotD0t: from his speakers? maybe
[12:17] <cardador> anyone know how to turn off pc speaker?
[12:18] <GotD0t> i mean... from what app?
[12:18] <thursday> vegai, do you have windows xp? i would suggest you install the fonts from an xp system rather than the fonts on source forge
[12:18] <phoen1x> well, the soundcard seems to have been detected, i know the speakers work, but no sound from audio cd or ogg file
[12:18] <phoen1x> from xmms or the bundled player
[12:18] <vegai> no, 2k
[12:18] <GotD0t> are you using a PCI sound card?
[12:18] <joolz> i have the opposite. can anyone confirm if rhythmbox will or won't play wav's? plz?
[12:18] <phoen1x> yes GotD0t - pci
[12:18] <GotD0t> because when i installed all the apps were pointing to the one on my mobo
[12:18] <stvn> phoen1x: checked if the volume was up, and not muted? (two different things)
[12:18] <GotD0t> and not my audigy
[12:19] <thursday> is your volume on? check with alsamixer
[12:19] <GotD0t> the one on the mobo works... just doesnt have speakers attached so alas no sound
[12:19] <vegai> and sometimes alsa gives weird names for channels
[12:19] <phoen1x> not an audigy - ancient standard thing
[12:19] <bern`> bern
[12:19] <m00se> hi
[12:19] <GotD0t> does your mobo have built in sound?
[12:19] <m00se> anyone reported problems with setting up grub during install?
[12:19] <michel_v`> hi again
[12:19] <phoen1x> no built in sound on mobo
[12:20] <GotD0t> hmm
[12:20] <vegai> the Font-deuglification HOWTO recommends to set the DPI to 100. I wonder if that's a good idea?
[12:20] <michel_v`> what's the most recent version of kernel-headers?
[12:20] <bern`> anyone managed to get a mobilty radeon 9600 working under ubuntu ?
[12:20] <stvn> m00se: yes, mainly about not playing nice with other OSs
[12:20] <GotD0t> define working
[12:20] <michel_v`> at the moment I can't find kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[12:20] <thursday> vegai, does it say where to make that setting change?
[12:20] <phoen1x> stvn - how does one check if muted? the vol is on max
[12:20] <michel_v`> would it do if I install kernel headers for a previous kernel version?
[12:20] <joolz> ok, i'll try again. I can play wav files with aplay, but somehow rhythmbox won't. Am i missing some plugin? What do i do wrong???
[12:20] <vegai> thursday: when starting X
[12:20] <GotD0t> bern: define working...
[12:20] <stvn> phoen1x: did you check with alsamixer, it has MM on top of the bars if muted
[12:21] <bern`> GotD0t: 3d rendering :/
[12:21] <vegai> I wonder if I could tell gdm to do that
[12:21] <Eno_> michel_v`: try searching for linux-headers instead
[12:21] <m00se> stvn, for me it froze at 50% and i had to kill grub-install to continue
[12:21] <Eno_> michel_v`: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[12:21] <bern`> GotD0t:  well reasnable 3d rendering, i have screensavers that are 3d that can only go 4.5fps :P
[12:21] <michel_v`> ok
[12:21] <stvn> m00se: did you check bugzilla?
[12:21] <michel_v`> Eno_: actually I'm not the one searching. :) modules-assistant is
[12:21] <phoen1x> stvn: OK how do i find alsamixer? :)
[12:22] <bern`> GotD0t: i don't plan on playing games on my laptop but i would be nice to get it functional
[12:22] <GotD0t> bern: well you're going to need to install the accelerated drivers... i assume you havent changed the drivers?
[12:22] <stvn> phoen1x: open up a terminal window and type alsamixer
[12:22] <vegai> glxgears is fun with HW-rendering and a TFT with 25ms refresh :D
[12:22] <vegai> you can hardly see the gears
[12:22] <phoen1x> ah, thanks :0 brb :)
[12:22] <m00se> stvn, not yet, i'm configuring my desktop ATM
[12:22] <Eno_> michel_v`: what is it?
[12:22] <bern`> GotD0t: nope not a bit
[12:22] <joolz> hmmm, i'm not alone http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2004-August/msg00053.html
[12:23] <GotD0t> bern: you said mobility 9600?
[12:23] <phoen1x> aha! several of the lines have MM on the top
[12:23] <bern`> GotD0t: yeah
[12:23] <michel_v`> Eno_: it's an app that's supposed to handle pretty much all module installation related work
[12:23] <stvn> phoen1x: the important ones are Master and PCM
[12:23] <michel_v`> Eno_: as in you type modules-assistant ndiswrapper and it will apt-get install it, dpkg blahblah etc
[12:23] <michel_v`> Eno_: and in the end you get the module installed and ready to modprobe
[12:24] <joolz> so, should i install xmms?
[12:24] <stvn> joolz: nope, install beep-media-player
[12:24] <Eno_> michel_v`: ah, i see... is it not in the ubuntu repository or something? i can't find it
[12:24] <ogra> hi all
[12:24] <GotD0t> bern: one second
[12:24] <phoen1x> stvn: hmmm master and pcm both up high - master M 3d contr line and mic are all MM
[12:24] <michel_v`> by the way, I'm unfamiliar with debian-based systems, should I install linux-686 or linux-image-686?
[12:25] <stvn> phoen1x: that's ok
[12:25] <michel_v`> Eno_: it's not there. try whiprush's blog, I think he's the one who blogged about it
[12:25] <GotD0t> bern: this should have what oyu need http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=ATI
[12:25] <Kamion> michel_v`: familiarity probably wouldn't help you there; you probably want linux-686, which depends on both linux-image-686 and the matching linux-restricted-modules-* package
[12:25] <ogra> michel_v: linux-686 is fine, keeps you uptodate ;-)
[12:25] <Eno_> ok
[12:25] <stvn> phoen1x: does lsmod | grep snd give you anything?
[12:25] <michel_v`> Kamion: thanks for the clarification
[12:25] <Kamion> michel_v`: (exception would be if you object to binary-only firmware)
[12:26] <joolz> stvn: very funny. just installed it and still rhythmbox won't play wav's
[12:26] <michel_v`> isn't there a way to say I don't need nvidia stuff?
[12:26] <m00se> stvn, my bug is already reported #1301
[12:26] <bern`> GotD0t: thanks
[12:27] <stvn> joolz: check if beep-media-player can play them
[12:27] <ogra> michel_v: ask nvidia to provide specs, so there'll be a linux driver
[12:27] <joolz> stvn: ok, i'll try
[12:27] <phoen1x> stvn: am i looking for anything specific ?
[12:27] <vegai> ah, I got it. One can define the physical size of the monitor in XF86Config, which enables X to calculate the DPI right
[12:27] <vegai> let's see if that helps
[12:27] <michel_v`> ogra: what I mean is is there a way to make linux-restricted-modules not depend on nvidia stuff, since I don't have any nvidia hardware on this laptop
[12:27] <WW> joolz: Read the first page of the Rhythmbox manual (Help->Contents->Section 1).
[12:28] <stvn> phoen1x: it should list the modules related to your soundcard, the first one on the list is enough, if you can paste it here
[12:28] <joolz> stvn: yes it can. and so can aplay (as it could before)
[12:28] <joolz> but what could be wrong with rhytmbox?
[12:28] <phoen1x> here you go -> snd_ens1371            23012  3
[12:28] <michel_v`> ok, started apt getting linux-686 -- if I'm lucky it'll be installed in an hour
[12:28] <michel_v`> (slooooooooooow hdd)
[12:29] <stvn> phoen1x: so it's a soundblaster, right?
[12:29] <phoen1x> stvn: yes
[12:29] <michel_v`> joolz: the thing that could be wrong would be a gstreamer plugin
[12:29] <stvn> phoen1x: stupid question, but did you check if the speakers are connected properly ;)
[12:29] <joolz> michel_v`: tx, i'll check
[12:30] <phoen1x> stvn: hehe 1st thing i thought of :) have tried in all of the sockets etc
[12:30] <eruin> anyone know what the command for taking a screenshot in gnome 2.8 is?
[12:30] <michel_v`> eruin: gnome-panel-screenshot
[12:30] <WW> joolz: Maybe the manual is out of date, but it only says MP3, FLAC, and OGG.  Nothing about .wav.
[12:30] <cardador> eruin: computer -> take screenshot
[12:30] <michel_v`> eruin: gnome-panel-screenshot --window, if you want to shoot only the active app
[12:31] <michel_v`> eruin: or your print screen key, it should already be handled by gnome :)
[12:31] <michel_v`> eruin: and alt or shift + printscreen for the active winddow
[12:31] <eruin> michel_v: cheers! :D
[12:32] <ogra> michel_v: this nvidia dependency is the price for widespread hardware support in ubuntu....we'll have to live with both :)
[12:32] <eruin> michel_v: trying to use the tool in xfce too
[12:32] <stvn> phoen1x: hm
[12:32] <phoen1x> stvn: yup thats what i thought ;)
[12:32] <thursday> michel_v`, gnome-panel-screenshot
[12:32] <lrn> I don`t have irclib
[12:32] <lrn> i want to add it
[12:32] <lrn> any one ?
[12:32] <xskoulax> is there any difference in marillat totem-xine and totem-xine from the universe repository?
[12:33] <stvn> phoen1x: what app do you use to play the songs?
[12:34] <joolz> michel_v`: nope, just installed all of gsteamer and it won't work
[12:34] <keknehv> Hi all
[12:34] <keknehv> I'm having problems with my X server
[12:34] <joolz> drag & drop a wav file on rhythmbox just refuses to drop :-\
[12:34] <phoen1x> stvn: i have tried xmms and the standard Music Player in gnome (And CD Player)
[12:34] <keknehv> I start booting up ubuntu, and it gets to "loading Gnome something manager"
[12:34] <keknehv> And then I get a black screen
[12:35] <stvn> phoen1x: does xmms play the song, eg do you see it playing?
[12:35] <michel_v`> keknehv: probably a bad graphic card driver
[12:35] <phoen1x> stvn: yes everything seems fine and dandy, except the silence :)
[12:35] <michel_v`> keknehv: which graphic card is it?
[12:35] <phoen1x> stvn: all of the apps appear to function great, just no sound
[12:36] <michel_v`> brb, rebooting to linux-686 :)
[12:36] <stvn> phoen1x: hm, the card is recognised, the drivers loaded, the app can contact the sound server and play, the most obvious problem is hardware, either the card is broken, or the connection is wrong, or the speakers are not turned
[12:36] <stvn> phoen1x: thinking of other problems though
[12:36] <lrn> I don`t have irclib
[12:36] <lrn> i want to add it
[12:36] <lrn> any one ?
[12:37] <stvn> phoen1x: you did a clean ubuntu install, right?
[12:37] <phoen1x> stvn: thanks for your thoughts, am thinking it may well be the card, havent used it for eons
[12:37] <phoen1x> stvn: yup clean install
[12:38] <cardador> lrn: what is irclib? try to search a debian package
[12:38] <stvn> phoen1x: try if the card works on other OSs/distros or try another card
[12:38] <phoen1x> stvn: good plan - will slap it in my WinXP (shudder) box asap and try it out
[12:39] <stvn> :)
[12:39] <ReporterX> hello all!
[12:39] <phoen1x> must say, loving the linux experience so far, even with the sharp learnign curve
[12:39] <ReporterX> what do i need to mount a ntfs partition ?
[12:39] <stvn> phoen1x: the hardest part is getting it installed, you succeeded there, everything else is much simpler
[12:40] <phoen1x> stvn: was completely painless tbh
[12:40] <stvn> phoen1x: I put it on the computers of my housemates, and other than some minor glitches and slightly weird experience, they found it quite ok, saved them a lot of hassle with virusses etc
[12:40] <ReporterX> or... how do i mount a ntfs partition ?
[12:41] <limaunion> ReporterX: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd? /mnt/ 
[12:41] <phoen1x> stvn: aye - thinking of dual booting my main PC
[12:41] <keknehv> Sorry michel... I was away for a sec... it's a pci NvidiaMX, but when I attempt to install that driver in recovery mode, it messes up
[12:41] <stvn> ReporterX: but writing to a ntfs partition is not very stable/secure
[12:42] <ReporterX> limaunion: thanks...
[12:42] <keknehv> So you should have a smallish fat32 partition, write?
[12:42] <stvn> phoen1x: be careful, you might end up like me, with the win XP partition removed because I needed more space ;)
[12:42] <ogra> stvn: good step ;)
[12:43] <phoen1x> stvn: hehe if i can live without the games I have on XP, I will happily do so :)
[12:43] <limaunion> ReporterX: check your 'man mount' page for further details...
[12:43] <[Phaedrus] > what better way to make a total transition to the Linux world stvn :)
[12:43] <ReporterX> stvn: i just want to read some deb packages....
[12:43] <stvn> ogra: actually I replaced winXP by ubuntu, now I need to remove the debian instalation which is there as well ;)
[12:43] <keknehv> But how can you live without quake3? :P
[12:43] <stvn> ReporterX: oh ok, no worries
[12:43] <thursday> keknehv, by using half-life 2 or doom3 :)
[12:43] <phoen1x> how can i live without EQ2 beta you mean :p
[12:44] <keknehv> those run on linux?
[12:44] <keknehv> HOW?
[12:44] <ReporterX> this my first debian based distribution... i used to rpm based distributions...
[12:44] <thursday> or better yet... enemy-territory! but thats built on quake 3
[12:44] <cardador> keknehv: doom3 runs natively
[12:44] <keknehv> aaaah.
[12:44] <keknehv> Cool
[12:44] <thursday> keknehv, id jsut released a linux port
[12:44] <[Phaedrus] > I am more familiar with gentoo. Is there anyone here who has switched over from gentoo?
[12:44] <keknehv> unfortunately, my video card is crap :P
[12:44] <thursday> [Phaedrus] , i still use gentoo on my server
[12:44] <phoen1x> cardador: impressive - will have to take a look at that
[12:44] <thursday> ubuntu on my laptop
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > thursday, would you say ubuntu is a better option over gentoo?
[12:45] <thursday> it depends for what
[12:45] <thursday> i think ubuntu is better for the desktop
[12:45] <keknehv> So my X server won't start... but the livecd runs a-ok
[12:45] <keknehv> WHAT'S WRONG?
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > let's say desktop, development and better hardware support would be a starter's list
[12:45] <thursday> but there is no way i would replace my server os with ubuntu
[12:45] <ogra> thursday: why ?
[12:45] <jordi> thursday: why is that?
[12:46] <ReporterX> i need to setup my usb wireless device (with atmel chipset).... i have the deb package with the firmware... can some give some tips how to install my wireless devices ?
[12:46] <scotth> ubuntu releases to often
[12:46] <thursday> [Phaedrus] , if you don't want to spend enormous amounts of time configuring and building software yes i would say ubuntu is the better choice
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > thanks thursday. I'll give it a try
[12:46] <Kamion> scotth: warty'll be supported for 18 months, though, so you don't have to be on the 6-month upgrade treadmill
[12:46] <eclipsex> hello
[12:46] <eclipsex> :)
[12:46] <thursday> ogra, jordi... because i love use flags for building software on a server
[12:46] <scotth> atleast thats why we are going to ubuntu on the desktop and keeping debian on our servers... debian will tend to be more stable while ubuntu has the newer software
[12:47] <scotth> Kamion, its not ubuntu's fault... its more of a political issue... administration will be constantly pushing us to the newest version
[12:47] <thursday> woody is my 2nd choice for server os
[12:47] <Kamion> scotth: yeah, fair enough
[12:48] <phoen1x> can't get over how well this runs on a p2 500 (half gig ram helps im sure)
[12:48] <ogra> thursday: i wouldn't even allow a gcc on my servers, only if it's really needed ;)
[12:48] <scotth> I think both debian and ubuntu can coexist because of differing focus... also the fact that we have sparc servers and ubuntu doesn't support sparc
[12:48] <Kamion> scotth: certainly what I'm hoping from the point of view of "it'd be really bad if Ubuntu killed Debian"
[12:48] <stvn> phoen1x: that helps, I run it on a 400MHz with 400MB ram and on a 1GHz with 64MB ram, the latter is so much slower
[12:49] <ogra> scotth: someone wanted to start a port some weeks ago on the mailing list
[12:49] <scotth> Kamion, I think ubuntu will make debian healthier
[12:49] <keknehv> I'm running ubuntu on a 700MHz with 192MB ram... it's so-so (I guess)
[12:49] <phoen1x> stvn: glad i have the extra then - sorely tempted to put it on the maoin machine - athlonxp 1.8 with a gig of ram, should fly
[12:49] <scotth> ogra, thats cool maybe Ill look at the archives
[12:49] <phoen1x> maoin=main
[12:50] <keknehv> how can I edit my x-free86 to load an nvidia driver, such as nv?
[12:50] <keknehv> x-free86 config, that is
[12:50] <michel_v`> hello again
[12:50] <ogra> scotth: dunno if it was -users or -devel, look at both
[12:50] <michel_v`> which package should I install for gcc?
[12:50] <cardador> keknehv: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[12:50] <michel_v`> in order to build kernel modules
[12:50] <michel_v`> gcc-3.2?
[12:50] <ogra> michel_v: buiold-essential
[12:50] <keknehv> In command line?
[12:50] <stvn> keknehv: sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:50] <cardador> keknehv: yes
[12:50] <keknehv> ookay
[12:50] <ogra> michel_v: oops, build
[12:51] <keknehv> thanks, I'll go try that...
[12:52] <michel_v`> wheee, thanks
[12:52] <Kamion> scotth: again, what I'm hoping :-)
[12:53] <letheus> Is Pine available for Ubuntu?
[12:54] <LinuxJones> letheus, doesn't look like it
[12:54] <rancoras> yup, I don't see it either
[12:54] <ogra> letheus: did you say mutt ? *g*
[12:54] <stvn> is there a script/applet that can alert me when a certain computer goes offline/online?
[12:55] <letheus> ogra, ?
[12:55] <WW> letheus: "mutt" is another mail client.
[12:55] <WW> letheus: No luck with Evolution?
[12:56] <keknehv> This is interesting... my X86 config file is EMPTY!
[12:56] <keknehv> Is there some command I should run to auto-configure it?
[12:56] <ogra> letheus: some people say they're the same
[12:56] <letheus> WW, Well...i can send mails, but not receive.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> stvn,  you can add a bash script on all your comps to report when it is shutting down. I don't know if that is what you mean ?
[12:57] <letheus> ogra, ok
[12:57] <cardador> keknehv: thats strange
[12:57] <keknehv> Yah
[12:57] <keknehv> And I went to exactly that file (I think)
[12:57] <cardador> keknehv: what did you write?
[12:57] <guptan> how do I make nautilus to remember window size of nautilus browser?
[12:57] <keknehv> NOTHING
[12:57] <cardador> keknehv: i mean, for editing 
[12:58] <cardador> keknehv: sudo edit /etc/bla bla
[12:58] <cardador> s/edit/gedit
[12:58] <stvn> LinuxJones: hm, that's an idea, was more thinking along the lines of a script that alerts me when a computer comes online/goes offline, but I can let them tell me as well
[12:58] <keknehv> I ran the install (hooked up to internet), rebooted (still hooked up), it asked me if I wanted to install extra packages, I did...
[12:58] <WW> letheus: You can try different mail clients (many people really like Mozilla Thunderbird), but if it is a configuration problem, you might end up with the same problem with all of them.
[12:58] <Bliksem> anyone know what this is about "MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected" it appears during boot, but ubunut carries on anyway, so im not worried, just wondering
[12:58] <keknehv> It tried to boot, said "GNOME display manager not running" and went to a black screen
[12:58] <keknehv> I used sudo nano, vi, emacs, you name it
[12:59] <LinuxJones> stvn,  is this a server running a particular service or just a reandom desktop machine ?
[12:59] <LinuxJones> err random
[12:59] <stvn> LinuxJones: random desktop machines
[12:59] <rwabel> I've a little problem with my sound. I only have sound as root, but my username is in the audio group. does anyone know where the problem could be?
[12:59] <keknehv> Scratch that...
[01:00] <stvn> keknehv: you followed the steps on the wiki?
[01:00] <keknehv> I found the file :D
[01:00] <LinuxJones> stvn,  how many :D
[01:00] <keknehv> What steps?
[01:00] <letheus> WW, ok :)
[01:00] <stvn> LinuxJones: 4
[01:00] <phoen1x> ok - just managed to make my first newb error - ctrl-alt-f1 - couldnt get back to gnome so had to restart :)
[01:00] <keknehv> lol
[01:00] <stvn> phoen1x: alt-f7 would have brought you back
[01:00] <cardador> phoen1x: ctrl alt f2 i guess
[01:00] <ogra> phoen1x: ctrl-alt-f7 ;)
[01:01] <cardador> or that :)
[01:01] <keknehv> stvn? where's the wiki page?
[01:01] <GotD0t> whats the easiest way to convert MP3's to wavs?
[01:01] <phoen1x> ctrl-alt-f7 - etched on my memory, thanks :)
[01:01] <keknehv> convert to ogg
[01:01] <GotD0t> no... because my car doesnt recognize oggs
[01:01] <GotD0t> although that would be quite cool
[01:01] <stvn> keknehv: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fVideoCards
[01:01] <GotD0t> ;-)
[01:01] <GotD0t> thats a pretty good idea
[01:02] <LinuxJones> stvn,  You could add a bash script to notify your workstation when it enters runlevel 0 suppose. It's a good idea actually :D
[01:02] <xyz359> Quick question: Is there a way to bring old GNOME menu items to GNOME2?
[01:02] <stvn> GotD0t: no point in converting mp3 to ogg, you only lose quality
[01:02] <keknehv> Ok... brb...
[01:02] <phoen1x> stvn: whilst rebooting i did notice something - whilst booting and the messages are flashing up the screen - 2 errors came up - both to do with PCI and hotplug?
[01:02] <stvn> phoen1x: no problem
[01:03] <stvn> phoen1x: still haven't figured out what causes them, but haven't met anyone who had problems with it
[01:03] <phoen1x> lol oki dokie
[01:03] <ogra> stvn: they tell you you got no pci-hotplug cards in your pc
[01:04] <stvn> ogra: ah, thanks
[01:04] <phoen1x> stvn: found another card, so going to try it - do i simply swap and boot - it will autodetect?
[01:04] <stvn> phoen1x: it should do that yes
[01:04] <GotD0t> phoen1x: yea... i have the same thing... dont have any problems
[01:04] <phoen1x> triffic - brb folks :)
[01:04] <stvn> LinuxJones: now I need to figure out a nice way to handle those alerts
[01:04] <umarmung> anyone here plays et? do i have to install gtk-1.x to install it? i rather avoid that since i dont use any gtk-1.x app :/
[01:05] <stvn> LinuxJones: I already got nice launchers on my bar to those computers, would be nice if it somehow would show at the launcher if the computer is online or not 
[01:05] <stvn> umarmung: you don't have to IIRC
[01:05] <GotD0t> whats the easiest way to convert MP3's to wavs?
[01:06] <WW> GotD0t: Maybe sox?
[01:06] <stvn> umarmung: it's running on my housemates computer with ubuntu
[01:06] <GotD0t> ww: thanks
[01:06] <LinuxJones> stvn,  maybe I will write a small python app to monitor computer activity on a small network. (I am looking for a project that might actually be usefull) :P
[01:06] <GotD0t> ww: where can i get it?
[01:06] <umarmung> stvn, but did you install gtk-1.x? i get: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file
[01:06] <michel_v`> brb
[01:06] <stvn> LinuxJones: I'd be interested to help testing, not much of a programmer myself, can just decipher existing programs/scripts to alter them if needed but that's the limit of my knowledge
[01:07] <umarmung> stvn, i know, you dont need it for playing, but the installer IMHO uses gtk-1.x
[01:07] <WW> GotD0t: sox is in Ubuntu's universe component. 
[01:07] <ApesMa> GotD0t: sudo apt-get install sox
[01:07] <ApesMa> (just did it myself)
[01:07] <WW> GotD0t: ^^^^
[01:08] <GotD0t> WW: i just did an apt-cache search sox returned no results
[01:08] <LinuxJones> stvn, I want to write a small client/server app using Python. This might be a good project :)
[01:08] <ApesMa> GotD0t: http://sox.sourceforge.net/ says that sox needs an optional library to deal with MP3; dunno if the apt-get brings that in, too.
[01:08] <GotD0t> WW: then i tried apt-get install sox and it says there is no installation candidate
[01:08] <WW> GotD0t: You need to enable universe.
[01:08] <GotD0t> WW: how?
[01:09] <WW> GotD0t: There's a howto on the ubunut web site.
[01:09] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:09] <stvn> umarmung: hm, don't really remember been a while, but why not install the gtk lib and then remove it again?
[01:09] <GotD0t> did they change the color sceme on the ubuntu site?
[01:10] <ogra> GotD0t: nope
[01:10] <umarmung> stvn, ok, but i hoped that wasn't need :/
[01:13] <jacob> Anyone know why why GEdit won't syntax hightlight Lua script? Is GEdit using gtksourceview?
[01:14] <umarmung> jacob, yes gedit uses gtksourceview
[01:14] <umarmung> stvn, thx, installed gtk-1.x and now et works fine :)
[01:15] <stvn> LinuxJones: if you're busy trying anyway; I got an extra request, if the computer is up, the monitor app can be used to ssh into that box ;)
[01:15] <stvn> umarmung: good
[01:16] <umarmung> jacob, i just checked, there is no lua.lang file; are you sure gtksourceview support lua?
[01:16] <jacob> umarmung, nope, im not sure, although I've found someone whois working on it.
[01:17] <letheus> I?m having trouble installing new themes in XMMS. I?ve got the folders with the new skins on my desktop and try to copy them to the /XMMS/Skins folder like this:  "sudo cp ~/Desktop/*newskin* ~/.xmms/skins -r. Everything should be fine, but when i look in the XMMS skin-folder, nothing has been copied there. Am i typing a wrong command in the terminal?
[01:17] <umarmung> jacob, then help him :) there arent that many syntaxes supported right now...
[01:17] <jacob> umarmung, you wouldn't happen to know if its possible to install local .lang files in your $HOME-dir? I'd like to try this beta .lang-file out
[01:17] <stvn> phoen1x: solved?
[01:17] <phoen1x> stvn: nope - exactly the same
[01:17] <stvn> phoen1x: damn
[01:18] <phoen1x> stvn: aye :/
[01:18] <umarmung> jacob, drop it in /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs, restart gedit and cross fingers :p
[01:18] <phoen1x> stvn: have tried xmms and totem - no sound
[01:18] <jacob> umarmung, well thats the thing, I don't wanna mess with the root filesystem... me pedantic
[01:18] <GotD0t> phoen1x right click on xmms and click on preferences
[01:18] <stvn> phoen1x: so it's either in the hardware after the card, or it is indeed a software problem
[01:19] <umarmung> jacob, if you can upload .lang + .lua i will try, but i dont know what you might mess up
[01:19] <stvn> checked if the cable/speakers/etc work on another setup?
[01:19] <GotD0t> phoen1x if alsa is listed as the output plugin then click configure
[01:19] <GotD0t> then make sure it has the right audio device listed... if not find it
[01:19] <phoen1x> OSS is the output atm
[01:19] <jacob> umarmung, nah, don't bother, I'll just test it, thanks
[01:20] <phoen1x> stvn: yup they are known to work
[01:20] <LinuxJones> stvn, I am thinking that the admin should also be able to see what each user is doing. Maybe with exporting X via and encrypted tunnel to the Administrators/Parent's desktop.
[01:20] <stonyuk> Is there a meta-package that will let me download most of the development tools required? I'm trying to compile libxine and I don't have any of the Xfree86-devel stuff and I can't find the right package.
[01:20] <stvn> LinuxJones: there's this nifty remote desktop app, that could be used I guess
[01:21] <stvn> LinuxJones: although I prefer ssh, since most of the time I don't care that much, just need to update
[01:21] <meff> stonyuk: build-essential iirc
[01:21] <WW> stonyuk: ... and maybe libx11-dev
[01:22] <stonyuk> meff: That gets the compiler and a few libs, but very very little else
[01:22] <stonyuk> ww: Ah, thx :-)
[01:22] <phoen1x> GotD0t: I have 4 options for device - std PCM and 3 PCI ones
[01:23] <GotD0t> phoen1x: try the pci ones
[01:23] <meff> stonyuk: i just run ./configure see which lib it needs, then apt-cache search nameoflib -dev
[01:24] <phoen1x> gotD0t: should it later on the fly, or should i restart xmms each tim i change it?
[01:24] <stonyuk> meff: It wasn't too clear about the package name - had me looking for XFree86-devel
[01:24] <stvn> phoen1x: should do it on the fly
[01:24] <GotD0t> phoen1x: as long as you're not currently trying to play a song it should work on the fly
[01:24] <letheus> "sudo cp ~/Desktop/XMMStheme ~/.xmms/skins -r"  Could someone tell what is wrong with this command?
[01:25] <phoen1x> .......and we have noiuse (Robert Palmer to be precise) - THANKS :-)))))))
[01:25] <stonyuk> Is Totem playing DVDs for most ppl? I've not been able to get it to work on FC3 or Ubuntu.
[01:25] <Dethread> letheus, cp -r from to
[01:25] <stonyuk> lethus: The -r should be at the beginning
[01:25] <michel_v`> hello again
[01:25] <GotD0t> phoen1x: what OS did you switch from?
[01:25] <stvn> GotD0t: still it's weird ubuntu on a clean install /should/ work, the card is recognised alright, the modules are loaded, alsa is properly unmuted so I don't get it
[01:25] <michel_v`> got ndiswrapper installed with modules-assistant \o/
[01:25] <letheus> OK! Thanks :)
[01:25] <ogra> stonyuk: why not: sudo apt-get build-dep libxine1
[01:25] <phoen1x> gotD0t: from XP/win2k
[01:26] <LinuxJones> stonyuk, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:26] <michel_v`> ok, question: how does one uninstall OpenOffice.org without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop?
[01:26] <GotD0t> stvn: XMMS was pointing to the wrong hardware device...
[01:26] <GotD0t> stvn: thats all that was wrong
[01:26] <michel_v`> if I uninstall ubuntu-desktop this way, would that uninstall packages that were depended on by ubuntu-desktop too?
[01:26] <GotD0t> stvn: took me a while to figure that out for me
[01:26] <stvn> GotD0t: dunno, none of the apps were working
[01:26] <Dekkard> man my fonts are nasty...
[01:27] <ogra> michel_v: no
[01:27] <stonyuk> LinuxJones: I read that, but it didn't help. Totem doesn't play the disc, it just opens the contents of the DVD and shows me all the files.
[01:27] <GotD0t> stvn: well he says its working
[01:27] <michel_v`> ogra: so, I can uninstall ubuntu-desktop with no problem?
[01:27] <phoen1x> stvn: looks like we have both learned something :)
[01:27] <phoen1x> aye - that did the trick
[01:27] <ogra> michel_v: it's just for getting things _in_
[01:27] <michel_v`> ok
[01:27] <stvn> phoen1x: indeed
[01:27] <phoen1x> stvn: impressed by ogg quality too
[01:28] <stvn> phoen1x: wbut you did say cd-player didn't work either, right?
[01:28] <stvn> GotD0t: heh missed that bit of good news ;)
[01:28] <GotD0t> stvn: yea... it took me like half an hour of getting help from people in the channel, who were all helping me configure alsa, when xmms was outputing to my mobo sound
[01:28] <michel_v`> oh by the way
[01:28] <GotD0t> instead of my audigy
[01:29] <stvn> stonyuk: you did install the decss library?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> stonyuk, install gxine or mplayer
[01:29] <WW> stonyuk: The same thing started happening to me a few days ago.
[01:29] <phoen1x> stvn: yup - very odd - it cant be that the other players use xmms, as xmms is not part of the distro, but added later?
[01:29] <letheus> Hmmm...dosen?t seem to work
[01:29] <michel_v`> it really would be better to run dpkg --configure -a, instead of aptitude, when the second part of the install got cut off (power failure, other causes)
[01:29] <GotD0t> stvn: well its safe to assume if xmms works after changing the audio device then they're all doing the same thing
[01:29] <stvn> phoen1x: indeed, that's why i didn't think of xmms being wrongly configured, do the other apps work now as well?
[01:29] <michel_v`> in aptitude, the user (me) didn't know what to do
[01:29] <WW> stonyuk: Try using the command totem-xine dvd:///
[01:30] <stonyuk> Got libdvdcss etc. I will try gxine, but I heard it is even more ugly than xine :-)
[01:30] <phoen1x> stvn: 2 secs, will check
[01:30] <stvn> GotD0t: true
[01:30] <LinuxJones> stonyuk, lol
[01:30] <GotD0t> stvn: well it might be something as defined by ubuntu itself... pointing all apps to the same device
[01:30] <michel_v`> with dpkg --configure -a, the installation of ubuntu-desktop resumed
[01:30] <michel_v`> and I only had to reboot
[01:30] <michel_v`> had I had to use aptitude, I would have spent the night :P
[01:30] <stonyuk> ww: I don't have a totem-xine - just a totem-video-thumbnailer
[01:31] <GotD0t> stvn: as i just switched to linux this week i dont know for sure, but thinkin all apps look to the OS for the correct device seems like a safe assumption
[01:31] <WW> stonyuk: Oh.  You are trying to play a DVD?
[01:31] <phoen1x> stvn: all working now aye
[01:31] <GotD0t> phoen1x: thats interesting
[01:31] <stonyuk> ww: Yes
[01:32] <ogra> WW: totem is ok
[01:32] <phoen1x> gotD0t: it looks like that could be the case - change 1 app and it changes the default for all apps of the same output type?
[01:32] <LinuxJones> Is there a major Microsoft worm out there right now or something, my network connection is slow as molasses :(
[01:32] <GotD0t> phoen1x: i guess xmms must have changed the settings in the OS...
[01:32] <WW> stonyuk: I didn't figure out why mine stopped working, but I found that both vlc and ogle worked.
[01:32] <stvn> LinuxJones: yeah it's called auto-update ;) - but seriously don't know
[01:32] <stonyuk> ww: Thx, I'd not heard of them
[01:32] <LinuxJones> heh
[01:33] <stvn> phoen1x: it could be, would be rather nifty
[01:33] <xskoulax> lamont: 
[01:33] <xskoulax> you around
[01:33] <GotD0t> so phoen1x, how you liking not using windows? and what made you decide to make the switch
[01:33] <ogra> WW: totem-xine is just the layer below, the binary is still called totem
[01:33] <letheus> Hmmm...i tried with the '-r' at the beginning like this: "sudo cp -r ~/Desktop/XMMStheme ~/.xmms/skins" But it still wont copy.
[01:34] <stvn> letheus: no need for sudo while copying
[01:34] <GotD0t> letheus: why dont you try through the GUI?
[01:34] <WW> ogra: Right.  The command I gave earlier should have been totem dvd:/// (I think that is the right arg)
[01:34] <ogra> WW: yep :)
[01:35] <letheus> GotD0t, i can?t
[01:35] <stonyuk> ww: I just get a could not play dvd:/// message
[01:35] <GotD0t> lethus: what happens when you try?
[01:35] <phoen1x> gotD0t: i tried redhat about a year ago, wasnt keen - and i am pig sick of windows :) hapened to be looking through the overclockers.co.uk forums and they mentioned this distro - i loved the idea and philosophy so thought i would try
[01:35] <phoen1x> gotD0t: and i love it
[01:36] <stonyuk> Whoops totem /dev/dvd just freezes Totem :-)
[01:36] <GotD0t> phoen1x: me too... mine was being fed up with rediculous crashes
[01:37] <stvn> GotD0t: try running debian experimental for a challenge, that gives you odd crashes, failing boots etc ;)
[01:37] <crimsun> experimental hasn't burned me yet.
[01:37] <letheus> GotD0t, It says: "You do not have permissions to write to this folder"
[01:37] <phoen1x> GotD0t: yup, me too - i am intreagued by stories of servers being up for days/weeks/months without restart - my xp serverbox (this box) needed to be restarted weekly at least
[01:38] <phoen1x> stvn: thats exactly what i want to get away from :)
[01:38] <GotD0t> phoen1x: like a few months ago my kid sister sent like 20 print jobs to the network printer (which is in my room) and considering it was 8 am on a sunday i was still sleeping i jumped outta bed and unpluged the printer. well as far as i can figure the core printer files got corrupted. which made my comp crash when ANY printer was connected to the computer
[01:38] <WW> stonyuk: I just tried totem dvd:/// again, and it worked.  
[01:38] <stvn> crimsun: it's more stable ATM with sarge being prepared, but a year ago it was much more 'fun' after a month of constant hassle I gave up and went back to safe unstable
[01:38] <letheus> GotD0t, Is there an easier way to install them?
[01:38] <ogra> phoen1x: ogra@aleph:~$ uptime
[01:38] <xskoulax> anyone had problems with hard lockups on the vaio fxa53, or whilst using a dlink dwl-g650
[01:38] <ogra> phoen1x:  01:38:16 up 332 days, 11:23,  1 user,  load average: 0.12, 0.06, 0.01
[01:39] <crimsun> stvn: haven't noticed anything odd in the past year ;-)
[01:39] <stvn> phoen1x: the trick is to not want the software that is just a day old ;)
[01:39] <ogra> phoen1x: ;)
[01:39] <GotD0t> phoen1x: and i had to reinstall windows cuz of that
[01:39] <stonyuk> ww: Show off :-)
[01:39] <phoen1x> ogra: :o
[01:39] <phoen1x> ogra: nice going
[01:39] <crimsun> 0.12? fairly low load avg. :-)
[01:39] <phoen1x> stvn: hehe aye i guess that helps
[01:39] <ogra> it's a webserver
[01:39] <stvn> crimsun: heh, might have been my configuration or my lack of attention, but nautilus broke a few times on me
[01:39] <WW> stonyuk:  Do you have the package totem-xine installed?
[01:40] <mirak_> any pdf viewers in repositories???
[01:40] <stonyuk> ww: How do i tell?
[01:40] <xyz359> mirak_, probably.
[01:40] <stvn> ogra: with an ups/stable power supply
[01:40] <GotD0t> mirak_ there should be one preinstalled with ubuntu
[01:40] <stvn> ogra: my home server only goes down on power failures
[01:40] <mirak_> gotdot, i need a browser plug-in
[01:40] <SuperLag> What package do I need to get for Macromedia Flash?
[01:40] <ogra> stvn: housed server, my provider cares, i pay ;)
[01:40] <GotD0t> superlag that should be through your browser
[01:41] <stvn> ogra: ah ok
[01:41] <phoen1x> ogra: rob@purple:~ $ uptime
[01:41] <phoen1x>  00:41:02 up 32 min,  2 users,  load average: 3.25, 2.82, 1.71
[01:41] <phoen1x>  :p
[01:41] <WW> stonyuk: There is probably a faster way, but you can crank up Synaptic and look. (The CLI gurus can stop snickering now :)
[01:41] <stonyuk> Synaptic doesn't show it at all
[01:42] <GotD0t> superlag: i would just go to macromedia and it should have the proper one for your browser/os
[01:42] <[Phaedrus] > has anybody here keeping track on Chandler, the new email client which is supposedly an alternative for Outlook?
[01:42] <GotD0t> joshua@ubuntu:~ $ uptime
[01:42] <GotD0t>  19:41:29 up 2 days, 54 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.22
[01:42] <GotD0t> uhh, 3 users.. thats odd
[01:42] <phoen1x> GotD0t: what does the load average mean?
[01:42] <SuperLag> interesting
[01:42] <letheus> stvn, If i do the commando without SUDO, it says: "cannot create regular file `/home/******/.skins/maXMMS/pledit.txt': Permission denied"
[01:42] <WW> stonyuk and SuperLag: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:42] <stvn> hm my webserver is only up 120 days
[01:43] <stvn> letheus: check your permissions on .xmms since as a user you should be able to write there
[01:43] <GotD0t> lethus: is xmms running?
[01:43] <GotD0t> lethus: it might restrict access when its running
[01:43] <stvn> letheus: chmown -R user:user .xmms  might help (replace user by your name obviously)
[01:43] <ogra> stvn: mine would have above 600 days, if the ups i pay for hadn't failed last year
[01:43] <stvn> letheus: make that sudo chown
[01:44] <stvn> ogra: heh
[01:44] <GotD0t> lethus: if it is running i would try closing it
[01:45] <voyaman> why we should use ubuntu?
[01:45] <WW> voyaman: Because without an operating system, it's hard to get the computer to do anything.
[01:45] <GotD0t> lethus: can you use winamp skins on xmms?
[01:45] <stvn> ogra: I noticed the other day that I had debian installed for at least 4 years on my workstation without reinstalling, during that time i went from potato to woody to experimental/alioth, replace almost all the hardware, might upgrade debian to ubuntu just to keep that install time ;)
[01:46] <letheus> GotD0t, dunno
[01:46] <GotD0t> letheus: did you try copying the skin w/o xmms running?
[01:46] <WW> Time to go. Good night, good luck, good grief...
[01:46] <ogra> stvn: *g*
[01:47] <voyaman> WW, yeah, but ubuntu have some problem with my laptop
[01:47] <stvn> night WW
[01:47] <ogra> voyaman: tell us about it
[01:47] <voyaman> can somebody help me?
[01:48] <letheus> GotD0t, You mean, if i tried to copy the skin while xmms whas running? Why?
[01:48] <phoen1x> voyaman: these guys are really helpful - try them out :)
[01:48] <voyaman> when i start my laptop, recieve that message, pciehp can't load
[01:48] <stvn> ogra: on a second thought the computer is going to be replaced soon by a faster and will live out its days as fileserver, debian would be just fine for that, so i might just keep debian there
[01:48] <ogra> voyaman: no prob
[01:48] <xskoulax> GotD0t: i'm almost certain that the older winamp 2 skins work, think winamp3 skins work, but i'm pretty sure winamp 5 skins do not work
[01:48] <voyaman> ?
[01:48] <xskoulax> its been a while since i used xmms though
[01:49] <ogra> voyaman: we all got this message, nothing to worry 
[01:49] <voyaman> ogra ?
[01:49] <mirak_> how to enable the multiverse??
[01:49] <stvn> voyaman: the error is not harmful
[01:49] <GotD0t> letheus: i was asking if you were trying to copy it WHILE it was running... it might be that you cant copy the skin with xmms open
[01:49] <mirak_> nvm
[01:49] <[Phaedrus] > Is there a way to make Evolution to work, yet not have GNOME as your window manager?
[01:49] <letheus> GotD0t, No, it is not running
[01:49] <swim> hi
[01:49] <ogra> stvn: keeps you from forgetting how to handle debian
[01:50] <swim> does anyone know what package has MySQL-shared, and MyODBC ?
[01:50] <GotD0t> letheus: whats the error you get when moving the file through the terminal?
[01:50] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : yeah, just start another window manager/DE and start evolution
[01:50] <ogra> voyaman: it tells you you have no pci hotplug cards/ports in your laptop
[01:50] <stvn> ogra: indeed, but I'm surrounded by debian servers anyway
[01:50] <ReporterX> hi all!
[01:50] <GotD0t> hi
[01:51] <ReporterX> how do install a .deb package ? 
[01:51] <phoen1x> hiya
[01:51] <crimsun> ReporterX: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:51] <letheus> GotD0t, I get no error!
[01:51] <ogra> voyaman: which is ok on a laptop
[01:51] <GotD0t> letheus: then what happens?
[01:51] <stvn> ReporterX: with synaptic or aptitude, or dpkg -i package.deb
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > stvn: that probably would require the GNOME dependencies to be installed, right?
[01:52] <stvn> ReporterX: the last one is only for single packages which are not in a repository
[01:52] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : some of them yes
[01:52] <ReporterX> tx crimsun & stvn
[01:52] <swim> anyone?
[01:52] <GotD0t> swim: what ya need?
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > thanks stvn
[01:52] <stvn> np
[01:53] <swim> GotD0t trying to find out what package has MySQL-shared, and MyODBC ?
[01:53] <ogra> swim: apt-cache search myodbc
[01:53] <ogra> swim: libmyodbc - the MySQL ODBC driver
[01:54] <voyaman> how can i enable/disable services of startup?
[01:54] <voyaman> especially hotplug
[01:54] <stvn> right i'm off to bed as well, night all
[01:54] <voyaman> disable to run hotplug
[01:54] <letheus> GotD0t, Well, i type: "sudo cp ~/Desktop/xmmsSkin ~/.xmms/skins" And it goes back to "letheus@user:~ $". So i guess everything is as it should be.
[01:54] <ogra> voyaman: you'll loose a lot of HW support doing this
[01:54] <bern> where can i go for documentation on setting up my orinoco gold card under warty ?
[01:54] <voyaman> really?
[01:55] <GotD0t> letheus: ok... and its not showing up in xmms?
[01:55] <swim> ogra, ohkay i had found that, what about the MySQL-shared ?
[01:55] <ogra> voyaman: cares for usb ....etc
[01:55] <letheus> GotD0t, excacly
[01:55] <GotD0t> letheus: hmm
[01:55] <stvn> letheus / GotD0t check permissions
[01:55] <GotD0t> letheus: did you try the xmms website?
[01:55] <letheus> GotD0t, for help?
[01:55] <GotD0t> letheus do ls on the skins dir
[01:56] <letheus> ok
[01:56] <ogra> swim: does this mean the shared lib ?
[01:56] <whiprush> bern: the orinoco should just work out of the box. slap it in.
[01:56] <mirak_> ok...now how to enable the multiverse?
[01:56] <ogra> bern: mine does
[01:56] <swim> ogra yes sorry it does
[01:57] <bern> whiprush: i tried
[01:57] <ogra> swim: try yourself: apt-cache search libmysql
[01:57] <bern> whiprush: it's not even detecting a PCMCIA  card being added
[01:58] <bern> whiprush: could that be the problem?
[01:58] <whiprush> whoa, weird.
[01:58] <whiprush> probably
[01:58] <whiprush> usually you just slap it in and it works.
[01:58] <bern> whiprush: shoul di have to add it to the wireless card in the network configuration?
[01:58] <GotD0t> letheus: was was the ls output?
[01:58] <whiprush> do a "sudo lsmod" and see if the right modules loaded
[01:59] <letheus> GotD0t, In here?
[01:59] <whiprush> orinoco_cs is what you're looking for
[01:59] <ogra> whiprush: no need for sudo here ;)
[01:59] <whiprush> k
[01:59] <GotD0t> letheus: go into a terminal and do ls /whereever_skins_are
[01:59] <GotD0t> and tell me the output
[01:59] <mirak_> multiverse...anyone?...please, with sugar on top
[02:00] <bern> whiprush: well it has orinoco and orinoco_cs listed
[02:00] <letheus> GotD0t, Well, what do u want to know? theres alot of files in there
[02:00] <bern> whiprush: should i just try unplugging the ethernet cable and giving the card a try?
[02:00] <whiprush> is there an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:00] <GotD0t> letheus: well just check if the file you were putting htere is there
[02:00] <whiprush> yeah
[02:00] <whiprush> I usually unplug the ethernet, then slap the card in
[02:01] <whiprush> sometimes you have to "dhclient eth1" or whatever 
[02:01] <whiprush> don't remember, I don't have that laptop anymore.
[02:01] <michel_v`> hello again
[02:01] <whiprush> gotta go though, good luck bern 
[02:01] <GotD0t> hi
[02:02] <bern> thanks
[02:02] <michel_v`> is there a way besides .profile to make my user use an UTF8 version of the locale?
[02:02] <letheus> GotD0t, it?s not (sorry, i?m a bit tired)
[02:03] <GotD0t> letheus: whats the skins dir?
[02:03] <ogra> bern: michel: /etc/environment but you'll nedd the utf-8 locales installed
[02:03] <ogra> oops sorry
[02:04] <ogra> bern: try ifconfig, look if there is a eth0 and a eth1
[02:05] <michel_v`> it's weird that Gnome still lacks a GUI to set the user's locale
[02:05] <michel_v`> besides GDM
[02:05] <letheus> GotD0t, I have to go to bed now before i pass out :) Thank you for helpin me. And sorry for wasting your time :-)
[02:07] <michel_v`> ogra: what's the package name to get utf8 locales again?
[02:08] <michel_v`> I thought there was something like 'utf8-locales' under debian?
[02:09] <neuro|laptop> gwar
[02:12] <bern> blah, can anyone try to help me get my Orinoco Classic gold card setup
[02:15] <goochtoe> Hi I am trying to do a knoppix installation and am at the chrooting part but can't do it because I get /bin/bash no such file or directory
[02:16] <LinuxJones> goochtoe, this is #ubuntu ;)
[02:16] <bern> :P
[02:16] <goochtoe> I know
[02:16] <goochtoe> I am doing an ubuntu installation through knoppix
[02:16] <LinuxJones> goochtoe, someone might be able to help tho
[02:17] <goochtoe> Like the faq
[02:17] <LinuxJones> goochtoe, oh cool 
[02:17] <goochtoe> :)
[02:17] <goochtoe> I think there must be a step I missed
[02:17] <goochtoe> Because I get that error
[02:18] <StarScream> erm is there a ppc install doc for ubuntu?
[02:19] <bern> Can anyone help me get my Orinoco Classic Gold card working?
[02:20] <ogra_> bern: whats the output of ifconfig in a terminal ?
[02:20] <LinuxJones> bern, I wish I could but I am too loaded atm :)
[02:22] <bern> LinuxJones: no problem
[02:22] <bern> ogra_:  one second
[02:22] <Bohhh> is it possible to install ubuntu from something different than a livecd?
[02:22] <StarScream> n/m found em :)
[02:23] <ogra_> Bohhh: you shouldn't install from a live cd
[02:23] <Bohhh> ogra, ?
[02:23] <Bohhh> ogra, from what?
[02:23] <DaNewB> Bohhh: u should install from the install C
[02:23] <ogra_> Bohhh: there is a installer cd
[02:23] <bern> ogra_: an eth0 connection, and lo connection, and a sit0 connection
[02:23] <ogra_> bern: but the orinoco modules were loaded ?
[02:24] <DaNewB> Bohhh: CD*
[02:24] <Bohhh> ogra_, well, ok, i assumed that the installer cd is a livecd itself
[02:24] <ogra_> Bohhh: no, they're different
[02:24] <GotD0t-away> what does everyone use for RSS feeds?
[02:24] <ogra_> GtoD: liferea
[02:24] <bern> ogra_: no i'm plugged in ATM but the PCMCIA card has no activity leds light up when i plug it in
[02:25] <Bohhh> ok, can i install ubuntu from something different than the installer cd, since i don't have a cd burner?
[02:25] <bern> ogra_: i did an lsmod and it had orinoco and orinoco_cs listed in it
[02:25] <GotD0t-away> *gasp*
[02:25] <GotD0t> no cd burner?
[02:26] <Bohhh> no
[02:27] <ogra_> bern: look at: tail /var/log/messages just after inserting
[02:28] <bern> ogra_: ok
[02:28] <DaNewB> Bohhh: I think there is a way to update from Debian.. if u are on Debian
[02:28] <ogra_> bern: or better, run dmesg
[02:29] <bern> ok
[02:30] <bern> Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 000001001dd20000(sit0)
[02:30] <bern> orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable (dev=000001001058f800)
[02:30] <bern> orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable (dev=000001001058f800)
[02:30] <bern> orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable (dev=000001001058f800)
[02:30] <bern> orinoco.c 0.13e (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others)
[02:30] <bern> orinoco_cs.c 0.13e (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others)
[02:30] <bern> that's what it looks like it's saying for the orinoco card
[02:30] <bern> there could be more though
[02:31] <ogra_> bern: strange....
[02:34] <xcasex> tseng; is there a guide somewhere on deb repositories or can i just use the deb-srcs for mono and rebuild them on the ibook and send them your way?
[02:35] <bern> ogra_: any ideas?
[02:36] <ogra_> bern: is it a dell laptop ?
[02:36] <bern> ogra_:  no it's an emachines 6805 amd64
[02:37] <ogra_> bern: wow
[02:37] <bern> ogra_: the onboard wireless G card is broadcom and isn't supported under 64bit yet
[02:37] <bern> ogra_: but the orinoco card should work
[02:37] <Se7h> i got a problem here
[02:37] <Se7h> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
[02:37] <Se7h> o.0
[02:38] <ogra_> bern: what does "lsmod|grep hermes" say
[02:38] <bern> ogra_: one sec.
[02:39] <n3wt> oooh fancy schmancy
[02:40] <Se7h> erm
[02:40] <Se7h> i got clib 2.4.7
[02:40] <bern> hermes                  8576  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[02:40] <Se7h> and he's telling me that i dont
[02:40] <Se7h> lol
[02:41] <bern> ogra_: hermes                  8576  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[02:42] <ogra_> bern: everything there, shoud work....have you tried to boot with cable plugged out and orinoco plugged in yet ?
[02:43] <bern> ogra_: nope, i'll try that now
[02:44] <bern> ogra_: brb
[02:44] <ogra_> bern: no other ideas, sorry
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> o.o
[02:52] <bern> ogra_: well i tried that and it didn't work
[02:52] <bern> ogra_: i have a feeling the PCMIA slot may not be working
[02:53] <ogra_> bern: so someone with more knowledge will be needed....
[02:54] <bern> ogra_:  well thanks anyways
[02:56] <tseng> xcasex: they should be in warty/universe now
[02:56] <tseng> xcasex: mxpxpod build muine for ppc, i already have it just need uploaded
[02:57] <tseng> xcasex: as far as a guide, google debian new maint
[02:58] <xcasex> wicked :)
[03:00] <Se7h> when will Gaim 1.0.0.2 ve at the repository? does anyone knows ?
[03:01] <Se7h> *be
[03:01] <ogra_> Se7h: what's the advantage over 1.0.0.1 ?
[03:02] <Se7h> some fixed bugs...but the repository only as 1.0.0.0
[03:02] <Se7h> is it not ?
[03:03] <ogra_> Se7h: dunno, the package name says 1.0.0 no minor number
[03:03] <Se7h> yeah
[03:04] <Se7h> but if u config ur gaim to warn u at a new version
[03:04] <Se7h> it'll popup an info about 1.0.0.1
[03:04] <Se7h> well
[03:04] <Se7h> not its 1.0.0.2
[03:04] <Se7h> *now
[03:07] <Se7h> my problem with gaim is
[03:07] <Se7h> just the simple fact i cant send or receive anything
[03:07] <Se7h> that it'll kill itself
[03:07] <Se7h> dunno why
[03:08] <ogra_> Se7h: did you migrate your config from an older version ? my gaim works fine since weeks
[03:08] <Se7h> no
[03:08] <Se7h> i had the gaim version that came with the cd i guess
[03:08] <ogra_> Se7h: which cd ?
[03:08] <Se7h> or i getted it from repository
[03:08] <Se7h> cant remember
[03:08] <Se7h> and it worked fine
[03:09] <Se7h> from the moment i upgraded it to the current repository version
[03:09] <Se7h> never worked again
[03:09] <Se7h> ubuntu CD
[03:10] <ogra_> Se7h: i meant  preview or final
[03:10] <Se7h> uh?
[03:11] <ogra_> Se7h: final came out on 20th
[03:11] <Se7h> final what ?
[03:11] <Se7h> ubuntu cd?
[03:11] <Se7h> or gaim ?
[03:11] <ogra_> Se7h: see the topic 
[03:11] <ogra_> Se7h: ubuntu
[03:11] <Se7h> ooohh
[03:12] <ogra_> Se7h: so you were supposed to do a dist upgrade to get your system to the final version
[03:13] <Se7h> how do i do that ?
[03:13] <Se7h> apart from downloading the cd of course
[03:13] <ogra_> Se7h: see: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[03:13] <vircuser> hi everybody...
[03:13] <Pizbit> "ur"?:)
[03:13] <ogra_> you are
[03:13] <Se7h> k
[03:13] <Pizbit> Or you're
[03:14] <Se7h> ur = your
[03:14] <Se7h> u'r = you are
[03:14] <Se7h> ;P
[03:14] <Pizbit> But the sentence doesn't make sense with your
[03:14] <Se7h> yeah
[03:14] <Se7h> depends on the sentence
[03:15] <Pizbit> *shrug* I hate the use of "txt" speak.
[03:15] <ogra_> Se7h: probably a lib is not up to date which causes gaim to break....else i'd suspect your config, so move it to a backup and try starting gaim
[03:16] <Pizbit> I install gaim yesterday and uses a .gaim from 1.0.2 and it worked fine.
[03:16] <Pizbit> installed even
[03:18] <Se7h> ogra_ one more thing
[03:18] <Se7h> u got 3 sections there
[03:18] <Se7h> All Upgrades
[03:18] <Se7h> Woody
[03:18] <Se7h> WartyWarthog Pre-Releases
[03:19] <Se7h> gues i'll start from "all upgrades right?
[03:19] <ogra_> Se7h: yep and if you're using a scanner also Warty-Pre 
[03:20] <bern> i'm trying to get ubuntu setup on my desktop but i get an error saying no screens found
[03:20] <Se7h> scanner ?
[03:20] <Se7h> scanner device?
[03:20] <bern> is the an xserver configure tool i should use
[03:20] <bern> there*
[03:20] <ogra_> Se7h: yep, you'll need the user in the scanner group
[03:21] <ogra_> Se7h: a device that produces electrons from printed paper ;)
[03:22] <ogra_> bern: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:22] <bern> ogra_: thanks
[03:24] <MarcN> fyi: warty installs just find on a Compaq Armada M700.
[03:24] <Se7h> lolol ogra_
[03:24] <Se7h> ok
[03:24] <Se7h> i get the point
[03:24] <Se7h> ;P
[03:25] <ogra_> Se7h: just looked at the wiki, dont forget: sudo apt-get update before anything else
[03:25] <tom_cat> MarcN: tell me about your Compaq Armada M700
[03:25] <ogra_> Se7h: it's missing in the wiki
[03:25] <MarcN> tom_cat, what do you want to know?
[03:25] <tom_cat> CPU, RAM ... !
[03:25] <Se7h> ok
[03:26] <Se7h> not this month
[03:26] <Se7h> i have my
[03:26] <Se7h> 4.300Mb
[03:26] <Se7h> international
[03:26] <Se7h> and my limit is 4gb
[03:26] <ogra_> Se7h: :(  i go a flatrate :)
[03:26] <MarcN> tom_cat, 700Mhz, 128M memory, into a 3G partition and 512M swap
[03:27] <Pizbit> Ooohhh
[03:27] <Pizbit> That . should be a , :)
[03:27] <Se7h> ogra_ u go ?
[03:27] <tom_cat> MarcN: thanks
[03:27] <MarcN> tom_cat, orinoco pcmcia card, ati video I think.
[03:27] <ogra_> Se7h: indeed i _got_
[03:27] <Se7h> Pizbit no, that would be 4,3mb
[03:27] <ogra_> :)
[03:27] <Se7h> and thats not the point
[03:27] <Se7h> lucky u
[03:28] <Se7h> i got 4 int
[03:28] <Pizbit> Se7h: Erm, you can't hace 4,3mb
[03:28] <Se7h> and 40 nac
[03:28] <Pizbit> have*
[03:28] <Se7h> Pizbit "." separates groups
[03:28] <Se7h> "," is for decimal
[03:28] <Pizbit> Not in english:)
[03:29] <Se7h> well, but it is
[03:29] <Se7h> ;P
[03:29] <ogra_> in europe :)
[03:29] <Se7h> yup
[03:30] <Pizbit> Shocking, even the americans have it right, and they're the ones who've butchered english the most and still use imperial measuring heh
[03:30] <Se7h> well but im not american
[03:31] <Se7h> its a europe convention
[03:31] <ogra_> yep, americans are strange, driving on the right side but using the wrong measuring
[03:31] <Se7h> LOL
[03:32] <Pizbit> Pah, the left side of the road is the correct side:)\
[03:33] <Jisao> Hi SamBozo 
[03:33] <Se7h> Pizbit we're getting OT
[03:33] <Pizbit> Se7h: Just a tad eh?:)
[03:33] <tom_cat> MarcN: how does ubuntu run on Armada M700 ? Fast or slowly or very slowly ?
[03:33] <ogra_> Pizbit: depends where your steering wheel is i guess :)
[03:33] <Pizbit> ogra_: In the car I don't have.
[03:34] <Pizbit> Sorry, couldn't resist being facetious.
[03:34] <MarcN> tom_cat, not as fast as some other systems I have, but just fine for websurfing, chatting, etc
[03:34] <MarcN> Probably would want more memory before more cpus
[03:34] <tom_cat> MarcN: OK !
[03:36] <MarcN> tom_cat, getting an m700 is probably pretty cheap at this point
[03:37] <tiagobugarin> anyone knows how to do a 'dd' with the udev system over ubuntu?
[03:38] <tiagobugarin> anyone knows how to do a 'dd' with the udev system over ubuntu?
[03:39] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: could you explain this a bit more ?
[03:40] <xskoulax> is the marillat repo dead, or is it just me having problems?
[03:41] <tseng> xskoulax: he is building again sid, not warty
[03:41] <tseng> so things depend on newer libs
[03:41] <ogra_> take the testing repo
[03:41] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: there is no fd0 at ubuntu. if you put a floppy and double click the floppy icon it uses udev kernel module to identify the floppy and mount at the fstab defined place. at kernel 2.6 there is no floppy block device
[03:41] <xskoulax> kool thx
[03:43] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: on my ubunt tere is one.....(havent used my floppy yet....)
[03:43] <mirak_> how to enable the multivers.......i just need the url....i guess its a url
[03:43] <Skif> mirak_: copy the entries for universe and then s/universe/multivers/
[03:43] <Skif> s/universe/multiverse/ even
[03:44] <Eno_> oh, does multiverse include everything in universe?
[03:44] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: there is fd in mine, but not fd0
[03:44] <Skif> Eno_: no, it's non-free stuff that's not in universe
[03:44] <Eno_> ah - k
[03:44] <mirak_> skif, where do i at that?.....just at the end?....do i need to delete anything?
[03:44] <goochtoe> hi
[03:45] <goochtoe> I am still trying to install ubuntu through knoppix
[03:45] <Skif> mirak_: no, sorry, I meant that you copy the entries for universe, and then replace 'universe' in the copied entries with 'multiverse'
[03:45] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: grep fd /var/log/dmesg
[03:45] <goochtoe> And need to chroot but I get /bin/bash no such file or directory
[03:45] <mirak_> skif, that is all.....just swap multiverse for universe?
[03:45] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: should tell: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[03:45] <Skif> mirak_: right, but make sure you do that on the copies... you still want to keep your universe entries
[03:46] <mirak_> skif, right.........thnx so much
[03:46] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: sorry, do not understand your last msg...
[03:46] <xskoulax> so if the marillat repo has moved on to sid where can i get libdvdcss and w32codecs from?
[03:47] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: if you run: grep fd /var/log/dmesg in a terminal, you should get the output: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[03:47] <mirak_> what is marillat??
[03:48] <ogra_> mirak_: the mplayer repository
[03:48] <izaac> and multimedia codecs too
[03:48] <mirak_> ogra, ooo....how to enable that??
[03:48] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: hotplug should care for this on boot
[03:48] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: this command results nothing
[03:48] <ogra_> mirak_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[03:49] <xskoulax> i followed the wiki to enable that, but it seems to be dead
[03:49] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: i will try hotplug again
[03:49] <xskoulax> tseng said that he is building on sid again not or warty 
[03:49] <xskoulax> s/or/on
[03:49] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: looks like something with hotplug is wrong, is your system up to date ?
[03:50] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: yes, it is...
[03:50] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: i will redo an apt-get update
[03:51] <goochtoe> can anyone help me?
[03:51] <goochtoe> why can't I chroot?
[03:51] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: and a dist-upgrade ;)
[03:52] <ogra_> goochtoe: you'll need at least a basic environment to chroot in
[03:52] <goochtoe> oh
[03:53] <bern> what kernel source should i get for a new install of ubuntu
[03:53] <mirak_> ogra, thnx...i was looking for that stuff.......helped do much....and now i wont be clogging up the channel, thnx :)
[03:53] <goochtoe> How do I do that?
[03:53] <izaac> bern:2.6.8.1
[03:54] <bern> izaac: it's not listed in the apt-get though
[03:54] <bern> izaac:  should i just go dl it off the internet
[03:54] <ogra_> bern: why recompile ? 
[03:54] <bern> ogra_: well i'm trying to get my desktop setup with ubuntu and the Dlink card doesn't work
[03:54] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: apt-get update and dist-upgrade just resulted in libpng updates
[03:55] <bern> ogra_: there's drivers on the dlink disk but they need to be compiled
[03:55] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: and it is not retriving some sources...
[03:55] <bern> ogra_: my desktop doesn't have gcc or internet access so i'm gonna compile on my laptop and put the file on my desktop
[03:55] <bern> ogra_: or try to at least
[03:55] <ogra_> bern: so you'll need the kernel headers and build-essential
[03:56] <goochtoe> ogra_, How do I get a working environment? I followed all the steps so far in the guide
[03:57] <ogra_> bern: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential
[03:57] <ogra_> goochtoe: which one ?
[03:57] <goochtoe> the knoppix install guide
[03:58] <ogra_> goochtoe: got a link ?
[03:58] <goochtoe> yeah
[03:58] <goochtoe> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[03:58] <toothpick> Greets
[03:59] <Poyayan> hey the smtp, rpcbind, ipp, and unknown services that start on ubuntu by default, what is each needed by?
[03:59] <Poyayan> if I disable them what will stop working exactly?
[04:00] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: so try running a: sudo modprobe floppy to get the module working at least
[04:00] <bern> ogra_: if i send you the output it gives me when i try to make all for the driver could you take a look at it
[04:01] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: YEAH!!! now i have a floppy drive!! THANKS man!!
[04:01] <goochtoe> SMTP is usually a service that has something to do with mail I believe. probably a mail server
[04:01] <mirak_> yes
[04:01] <jdub> Poyayan: note that none of them are listening on the external interface
[04:01] <Poyayan> yeah for fetchmail I thought but I disabled that rebooted and it was still there
[04:01] <jdub> Poyayan: we have a 'no listening by default' policy
[04:01] <jdub> smtp == postfix (localhost only)
[04:01] <Poyayan> ah ok
[04:02] <jdub> rpcbind == portmap (localhost only)
[04:02] <Poyayan> so what's the unknown service?
[04:02] <jdub> ipp == cups (localhost only)
[04:02] <jdub> unknown == i don't know until you tell me the port
[04:02] <Poyayan> 985
[04:02] <ogra_> tiagobugarin: you can make it permanent if you add floppy to /etc/modules
[04:03] <jdub> $ sudo netstat -pan | grep 985
[04:03] <jdub> that'd be dhclient
[04:03] <Poyayan> ah ok
[04:03] <goochtoe> ogra_, What should I do?
[04:03] <jdub> no it wouldn't
[04:03] <ogra_> bern: send it by mail: hostmaster@grawert.net
[04:03] <ogra_> goochtoe: still reading
[04:03] <goochtoe> oh ok
[04:03] <jdub> Poyayan: what does that return
[04:03] <tiagobugarin> ogra_: shure i will!!!
[04:03] <jdub> sudo netstat -pan | grep :985
[04:03] <jdub> ^ more useful
[04:03] <tiagobugarin> gotta go!
[04:04] <bern> ogra_: 
[04:04] <Poyayan> famd
[04:04] <goochtoe> Thanks ogra_, I will be back soon but as soon as you get an answer just say so :)
[04:04] <Poyayan> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:985           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4201/famd
[04:04] <ogra_> goochtoe: i'll do.... havent lookde at the knoppix install before, interesting....
[04:05] <Poyayan> I completely forgot about netstat
[04:05] <jdub> famd provides file change notification
[04:05] <saCUL> is there a way to execute a shell script just after boot up?
[04:05] <Poyayan> thanks jdub
[04:05] <mirak_> umm guys.........why dont i have sound???
[04:06] <mirak_> i upgraded today........no more sound....sounds like a downgrade to me
[04:06] <Poyayan> this is the first distro recently that has spent longer than 5 hours on my laptop, well apart from slackware that is
[04:06] <mirak_> sacul, can ya help
[04:07] <saCUL> mirak I can make suggestions based on more information
[04:07] <mirak_> sacul, hmm wanna pm?
[04:07] <saCUL> pm?
[04:07] <mirak_> private message
[04:07] <saCUL> yeah ok
[04:08] <Poyayan> anyway back to my fooling with the system
[04:08] <LinuxJones> mirak_, run gstreamer-properties and test alsa or oss to see which (if any are working )
[04:09] <Poyayan> oh yeah what does everyone use for their terminal fonts?  I'm trying to find one that's good
[04:11] <mirak_> linuxjones, i dont believe either are
[04:12] <LinuxJones> mirak_, what soundcard do you have ?
[04:13] <ogra_> goochtoe: the knoppix install howto is pretty dizzy, but i'd try different variations: /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash or, what i normally do if chrooting: cd /mnt/ubuntu && chroot .
[04:13] <mirak_> linuxjones, via.........onboard
[04:13] <LinuxJones> mirak_, was it working previously ?
[04:14] <mirak_> linuxjones, yes.....till about an hour ago...
[04:14] <mirak_> linuxjones, maybe 2
[04:14] <LinuxJones> mirak_, double check your mixer settings
[04:15] <mirak_> linuxjones, volume up...pcm up
[04:15] <ogra_> mirak_: mute ??
[04:16] <LinuxJones> mirak_, master is up and neither is muted ?
[04:16] <toothpick> Can someone recommend a good off lease purchase company in US for a laptop?
[04:16] <mirak_> linuxjones, no mutes.........oss or asla mixer
[04:17] <bern> ogra_: sorry bout that, closed Xchat by accident, i'm sending an email now
[04:17] <ogra_> bern: k
[04:18] <LinuxJones> mirak_, have you tried removing the sound card module & re-loading or re-booting to see if it clears the problem ?
[04:18] <GotD0t> question... does anybody know how to set up 5.1 channel sound?
[04:19] <mirak_> linuxjones, if i know how to do that
[04:19] <mirak_> linuxjones, i shall log out
[04:20] <LinuxJones> mirak_ shutdown -r now in console
[04:20] <mirak_> what does that do??
[04:20] <Chris__> Quick question...  looking at the screenshot gallery at osdir I notice one of the steps in the install is choosing resolutions you want to use.  I don't get that when I install, though, and now I'm stuck at 800x600..
[04:20] <LinuxJones> it reboots your comp "shutdown -r now" that is
[04:20] <mirak_> ill brb
[04:21] <GotD0t> where are you trying to get the sound through
[04:21] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:22] <saCUL> LinuxJones, do you know how to automatically launch a shell script in debian?
[04:22] <meff> ooo the first ubuntu security advisory.. *reads* lol
[04:22] <GotD0t> mirak_ what app are you using?
[04:22] <LinuxJones> saCUL, ya
[04:22] <mdz> Chris__: it only asks that question if it fails to probe your hardware
[04:22] <saCUL> GotD0t, he is rebooting
[04:23] <saCUL> LinuxJones, spill :-)
[04:23] <LinuxJones> saCUL, add it to /etc/init.d and make it executable 
[04:23] <Chris__> Ah.  Is there any way to get to 1024x768?  I've used that resolution with the same hardware under FC2, so it's not going to make the monitor explode or anything.  :-)
[04:23] <bern> ogra_: what's your email again?
[04:23] <saCUL> LinuxJones, coolio
[04:23] <Eno_> /etc/init.d/skeleton is a good starting point, just copy it
[04:23] <ogra_> bern: hostmaster@grawert.net
[04:23] <LinuxJones> saCUL, then update-rc.d <script name> defaults
[04:24] <saCUL> Eno_, hey thx for the tip
[04:24] <mirak> linuxjones, still nothing
[04:24] <GotD0t> mirak: what app are you using?
[04:24] <mirak> gotdot, i get no sound at all
[04:25] <ogra_> Chris__: run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86 in a console
[04:25] <mirak> gotdot, no system, no dvd, no wav, no mp3
[04:25] <GotD0t> mirak: do you have xmms installed?
[04:25] <mirak> gotdot, they all "PLAY" just no sound
[04:25] <meff> is there anything like evo1's summary page for evo2?
[04:25] <mirak> gotdot, yes i do have xmms
[04:25] <GotD0t> mirak: go into the xmms preferences and where it says output plugin click configure
[04:26] <LinuxJones> mirak_ , are you sure you didn't mess with anything /
[04:26] <ogra_> Chris__: take all default answers and just adjust the resolution if you come to this
[04:26] <GotD0t> mirak: then make sure the audio device is the right one
[04:26] <mirak> linuxjones, just synaptic
[04:26] <LinuxJones> mirak_ , heh
[04:26] <mirak> linuxjones, and the restricted stuff on the wikki, dvd and  flash
[04:26] <LinuxJones> mirak_ , you didn't remove anything important related to sound did you :)
[04:27] <mirak> gotdot, where is that?...xmms is so small
[04:27] <GotD0t> mirak: right click
[04:27] <GotD0t> anywhere
[04:27] <GotD0t> then options then preferences
[04:27] <mirak> linuxjones, i didnt remove anything....unless synaptic auto did it, and i missed it
[04:28] <jps> hi all
[04:28] <LinuxJones> mirak_ , right now I am too bombed to help mself...heh
[04:28] <mirak> lol
[04:28] <bern> ogra_: ok mail sent
[04:28] <Chris__> Hmmm... it doesn't seem to want to let me past keyboard options... what would I type there?
[04:28] <GotD0t> mirak: did you get into the preferences window?
[04:28] <jps> i absolutely must have kde pim 3.3.x on my ubuntu box. is it possible?
[04:28] <mirak> gotdot, i only have one sound device....it is via...xmms shows via
[04:29] <Chris__> Nevermind
[04:29] <GotD0t> mirak thats interesting... do you have a pci soundcard?
[04:29] <goochtoe> why would the install cd not work? It gets a cd rom drive not recognized thing when detecting hardware
[04:29] <mirak> gotdot, nope...onboard
[04:29] <ogra_> bern: you don't want to compile .....
[04:30] <GotD0t> mirak: then im assuming you have a via keyboard
[04:30] <ogra_> bern: you want to do a: sudo modprobe sk98lin in a terminal ;))
[04:30] <GotD0t> err
[04:30] <GotD0t> haha
[04:30] <GotD0t> motherboard
[04:30] <Se7h> i need help on j2re (again)
[04:30] <meff> Does spam filtering in evolution2 need spamassassin?
[04:30] <mirak> gotdot, i was gonna say.......but no...my mobo is ecs
[04:30] <ogra_> bern: should already be in the defailt kernel image
[04:30] <GotD0t> mirak: hmm...
[04:31] <jps> mirak: he means via chipset, ets is a manufacturer
[04:31] <GotD0t> thanks jps
[04:31] <jps> ecs*
[04:31] <mirak> gotdot, jps, yes via chipset
[04:31] <mirak> jps, doesnt via make mobo's??
[04:31] <jps> mirak: not that i know of...they very well may but they are known for their chipsets
[04:32] <mirak> jps, yes.
[04:32] <mirak> jps, i mean...i agree
[04:32] <bern> ogra_: so i can just modprobe that directory?
[04:32] <jps> :P
[04:32] <GotD0t> mirak: which output plugin is selected
[04:32] <ogra_> bern: nope, the modules from /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko
[04:32] <mirak> gotdot, output plugin???
[04:33] <jps> can anyone here help me access the debian testing repository (is it possible?) in order to install kde 3.3.x? or is there a better way?
[04:33] <GotD0t> mirak: yea... its in the preferences menu
[04:33] <Pizbit> jps: In synaptic enable the universe repository
[04:33] <mirak> gotdot, preferences for what???
[04:33] <jps> Pizbit: I have, it showed kde 3.2.x
[04:34] <bern> ok i modprobed and got it to pull up and ifconfig
[04:34] <bern> ogra_: but i can't get it to pull and ip address
[04:34] <GotD0t> mirak: the xmms preferences
[04:35] <bern> ogra_: just has an inet6 address
[04:35] <mirak> gotbot, oh...oss
[04:35] <jps> Pizbit: do you know of a way to access debian testing packages? is it possible?
[04:35] <GotD0t> mirak: try switching to alsa
[04:35] <mirak> gotdot, give me a sec
[04:35] <meff> Does spam filtering in evolution2 need spamassassin?
[04:35] <ogra_> bern: fine, so the module works.....
[04:36] <bern> ogra_: yes indeed but i'm on the same router with my laptop as my desktop
[04:36] <bern> ogra_: but my desktop won't pull an address
[04:36] <mirak> gotdot, i changed to asla......still nothing
[04:36] <jps> meff: give me a second and i'll find out...define 'need' though
[04:36] <Pizbit> jps: You could just add in the sources.list deb line for the sid repositories, however that could break things
[04:36] <GotD0t> go to the configure menu for alsa
[04:36] <bern> ogra_: and should i put modprobe sk98lin in my modules directory?
[04:36] <Pizbit> More so than using universe.
[04:37] <mirak> gotdot, kk
[04:37] <ogra_> bern: Computer->System Tools->Network .... set the card to dhcp 
[04:37] <meff> jps: like, to process spam.. i've marked over 100 spam so far and its still letting every one slip through it seems.
[04:37] <GotD0t> mirak: then check the audio device
[04:37] <florianr> Hello To all! Is there a tool to configure the soundsystem? I have no sound on my laptop ...
[04:37] <jps> Pizbit: I want nothing broken and want the more stable testing, not sid...why did you say it could break things?
[04:37] <GotD0t> florianr: working on that with mirak
[04:37] <mirak> gotdot, tis set to default
[04:37] <ogra_> bern: if it isn't loaded at boottime put the line: sk98lin in /etc/modules
[04:37] <GotD0t> mirak: is there another device in there?
[04:38] <mirak> gotdot, 2 of htem
[04:38] <mirak> them
[04:38] <GotD0t> mirak: try the second one
[04:38] <Pizbit> jps: Because of the dependencies, it's possible it brings in something that break something else, what's so special about 3.3?:)
[04:38] <mirak> gotdot, HW:0,0 and HW: 0,1
[04:38] <mirak> gotsot, both are via
[04:38] <GotD0t> mirak: try em both
[04:38] <mirak> gotdot, kk
[04:39] <Chris__> ogra_: I went through the configuration, but it showed 1024x768 already enabled (/etc/X11/XFree86-4 indicates the same).  Yet, I still can't get the display set to that resolution.
[04:39] <jps> Pizbit: it has much much better integration with our suse linux openexchange server (SLOX) than 3.2
[04:39] <mirak> gotdot, nothing
[04:40] <mirak> gotdot, should i just reinstall?
[04:40] <GotD0t> mirak: i dunno
[04:40] <Pizbit> Aren't we using esd though?
[04:40] <Pizbit> Not  straight alsa?
[04:40] <GotD0t> mirak: thats interesting... did you try playing something in xmms?
[04:40] <mirak> i have nothing to play in xmms
[04:40] <GotD0t> not even wav's?
[04:40] <mirak> gotdot, will a cd play there?
[04:41] <GotD0t> mirak: should
[04:41] <mirak> gotdot, let me try it
[04:41] <Pizbit> mirak: cds go through an internal cable in your computer, it doesn't actually require sound to work with your OS
[04:41] <florianr> GotDot: I could find the sound chip in gnomes device manager, but it is listed as unknown device. By the way it is a AC'97 device
[04:42] <ogra_> Chris__: don't you have 1024x786 in the resolution tool (Computer->System Tools->Screen Resolution (guessed, it's german here))
[04:42] <mirak> pizbit, i dont have that cable hooked  up.............cd isnt gonna work is it
[04:42] <xskoulax> mirak what about trying with some internet radio like digitally imported?
[04:42] <Pizbit> mirak: Ahh k
[04:42] <Chris__> ogra_: Nope.
[04:42] <mirak> xskoulax, i will now
[04:43] <mirak> I THINK WE NEED TO FILE a bug about via AC'97 devices.....i have a problem......florianr has a problem...what do you think gotdot, ?
[04:43] <xskoulax> no problems here
[04:43] <mirak> hmmmm
[04:43] <xskoulax> just worked out of boc
[04:43] <xskoulax> box
[04:43] <xskoulax> even
[04:44] <mirak> xskoulax, so did mine....till i upgraded a few hours ago
[04:44] <GotD0t> mirak: interesting
[04:44] <Pizbit> Likewise here, well, once I'd done pci=noacpi or whatever it was.
[04:44] <bern> ogra_: ok, i figured out why i was getting an ifconfig
[04:44] <bern> ogra_: i had tried to add it before but it didn't work
[04:44] <florianr> mirak: Do you have a notebook? Centrino?
[04:44] <mirak> pizbit, maybe i need to do that?
[04:44] <bern> ogra_: so i removed it, did a modprobe, and tried ifconfig and all i get is lo
[04:44] <Pizbit> mirak: Probably not if it worked before
[04:44] <mirak> florianr, desktop....amd
[04:45] <Pizbit> mirak: In my case the sound repeated the same 2 seconds without the boot option
[04:45] <mirak> i did a music stream....no sound
[04:46] <ogra_> Chris__: sounds like your display isn't detected correctly.....the HorizSync and VertRefresh seem wrong, there is a tool to check these values, but i don't remember the name
[04:46] <GotD0t> mirak: ive got no clue what to do
[04:46] <mirak> gotdot, i do.....reinstall
[04:46] <mirak> gotdot, thnx for trying though
[04:46] <ogra_> bern: look in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0
[04:47] <Pizbit> ogra_: I find that unreliable, it's much easier to go to the manufactorers' site and look at the specs.
[04:47] <florianr> Let me ask again ... is there a tool to configure the soundsystem? 
[04:47] <Chris__> ogra_: That's the weid thing... all of the information is dead on accurate.
[04:47] <saCUL> gstreamer-properties
[04:47] <flash`> hey guys
[04:47] <ogra_> Pitz: you're right
[04:47] <flash`> I have like a white point on my desktop.. 
[04:47] <mirak> nite..guys.......reinstall in the morning...thnx for the help
[04:47] <flash`> if I change wallpaper, restart x or restart pc nothing changes
[04:47] <GotD0t> mirak: good luck
[04:48] <bern> ogra_:  no eth0
[04:48] <saCUL> florianr, gstreamer-properties
[04:49] <bern> ogra_: i'm gonna grab a bite to eat really quick i'll be back and i can try some more in a little
[04:49] <bern> ogra_: thanks for your help so far
[04:49] <ogra_> bern 5'33 be 5n bed then, 5t's 5a0 here ;
[04:49] <ogra_> oops numlock
[04:50] <ogra_> bern: i meant: i'll be in bed soon, it's 5am here ;)
[04:50] <florianr> gstream-properties seems to be a tool to select the sound system used by gnome, I can't find the possibilitiy to choose the soundchip ...
[04:50] <ccox> hey whats up
[04:51] <ogra_> Chris__: ctrl-alt-numlock_+ perhaps ?
[04:51] <ccox> hey does anyone have the description for the multiverse in the ubuntu repository?
[04:51] <Chris__> Well, that was good for zooming my display, but didn't help with the resolution issue.  Thankfully, the same thing with - got me back  :-)
[04:52] <TheMuso> florianr: You only choose the sound driver to use. Either ALSA, OSS, or Esound, which should be the default.
[04:52] <ogra_> Chris__: you can actually loop through :)
[04:53] <Chris__> ah... noted for future reference
[04:53] <Chris__> I wish I could offer more positive feedback.  It seems like there's no reason it's behaving this way.
[04:53] <mirak> gotdot, i just noticed something playing around right quick
[04:53] <florianr> TheMuso: Yes I understand that. But how is the driver configured to worktogether with my AC'97?
[04:54] <mirak> gotdot, if i turn up the "microphone" volume in volume control...i get static
[04:54] <ogra_> Chris__: if 1024 is in the Modelines in you XF86Config but not in the resolution tool thats really weird
[04:54] <meff> *sigh* .. ubuntuforums converted to vbulletin.. way to go on the spirit of ubuntu.. ah well.
[04:54] <Pizbit> eh?
[04:54] <GotD0t> mirak: thats interesting
[04:55] <Chris__> "Weird" is a word I'm willing to use for this.
[04:56] <mirak> gotdot, tell me about it
[04:56] <ogra_> Chris__: if you are sure the monitor values are actually correct, you should file a bug report
[04:56] <Chris__> Interesting I also have 720x400 listed in the config file, but that one doesn't show up either.
[04:57] <ogra_> Chris__: probably this one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2408
[04:59] <GotD0t> \
[05:00] <jps> meff: you still wondering about the spamassassin thing? sorry i was on the phone for a while but i checked the gentoo ebuild (that's when i come from) and it appears that spamassassin is not a dependency at all, neither runtime nor build time
[05:00] <Chris__> I may pass on filing a bug report, as Bugzilla drives me nuts  
[05:00] <meff> jps: ok thanks
[05:01] <ogra_> GotD0t: reminds me of C:\> i think i saw it once on a pc....
[05:02] <ogra_> Chris__: got a llyama ?
[05:02] <jps> Pizbit: excuse the late followup.. "jps: You could just add in the sources.list deb line for the sid repositories". where can i find this information?
[05:03] <GotD0t> ogra_: what does?
[05:03] <ogra_> GotD0t: your \
[05:04] <Chris__> ogra_: Nope.  It's an old integrated Rage Pro card.  I think it's 4 or 6MB or so.
[05:04] <GotD0t> ogra_: it was an accident
[05:04] <ogra_> oh
[05:04] <ogra_> Chris__: llyama is the monitor company the bugreport i pointed to is about
[05:05] <Pizbit> jps: Here's a cutdown version of my debian sources.list to look at. For more servers debian.org is the place to go http://www.pastebin.com/112807
[05:05] <mirak> linuxjones, you here?
[05:05] <Chris__> Ah... no.  It's an IBM C50.  15" CRT
[05:05] <jps> Pizbit: thanks
[05:05] <ogra_> GotD0t: but still reminded me on bad times ;)
[05:08] <ogra_> Chris__: if you don't like bugzilla youll probably like to send a mail with your prob to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com to nail this one down with a X developer
[05:09] <LinuxJones> mirak, sort of :)
[05:09] <Chris__> ogra_: Thank you for your help
[05:11] <LinuxJones> mirak, I am bombed righ now !!
[05:11] <ogra_> youre always welcome....and i'll go to bed now..... sun starts to rise here....night all :)
[05:11] <soleblaze> have a question about the init system.. since there's both a S20module-init-tools@ and a S20modutils@ in /etc/rcS.d  how does it know which one to use?
[05:12] <oddabe19> soleblaze, it just does
[05:12] <soleblaze> yeahh i can see that one
[05:13] <aaronwaite> hey folks. i've been having trouble with bug #1585 which might be related to the smp kernel. you can pretty much have as many kernels installed as you want right? you'll just get an entry for each in grub?
[05:14] <KentutMerah> anyone here run zope-2.7 ?
[05:14] <aaronwaite> i have a p4 2.8Ghz w/HT. i was thinking of trying the non-SMP to see if the problem persists.
[05:15] <cc> on PPC, where does warty enable sysctl calls for mouse button emulation?
[05:17] <FXRS> Hello wondering if someone could give me a hand.
[05:17] <aaronwaite> cc: are you talking about something lower level than the XF86Conf-4 file?
[05:18] <FXRS> I'm trying to mount my windows partition on this pc and not exactly how to do that.
[05:18] <aaronwaite> FXRS: how is your win partition formatted and what have you tried?
[05:18] <FXRS> fat32
[05:19] <FXRS> Tried adding a line in the fstab
[05:19] <cc> aaronwaite: yes /etc/sysctl.conf to be exact
[05:19] <mirak> linuxjones, good luck with that....btw was it you that helped get my ati working ???
[05:19] <ShadowHawk> Does Ubuntu install dictionary files based on what language you select at install time yet?  Because somehow I didn't have package wamerican installed 
[05:19] <xskoulax> FXRS: you have made a directory to mount too right?
[05:19] <xskoulax> s/too/to
[05:20] <aaronwaite> cc: not sure then. i have a PPC if you need anything tested.
[05:20] <mirak> linuxjones, we commented out a line
[05:20] <FXRS> under <computer> <disks> I see "c"
[05:20] <cc> aaronwaite: ditto, i'll just wait for the devels to answer me then. or might actually start another installation and poke it...
[05:20] <FXRS> which I did do a /mkdir /c
[05:20] <FXRS> /dev/hda1       /c 		vfat 	user,noauto 	0 	0
[05:20] <FXRS> Thats the line I added in fstab
[05:21] <xskoulax> open a root terminal and try looking at the mount there
[05:21] <aaronwaite> FXRS: you may want to try mounting it manually before you add it to fstab.
[05:21] <FXRS> so remove from fstab and then "mount /c" ?
[05:21] <GotD0t> by adding noauto you make it so when you do mount -a it doesnt get mounted... you have to explicitly mount it
[05:21] <LinuxJones> mirak, I can't remember 
[05:22] <xskoulax> might be a permissions issue cause i had that with a ntfs mount, until i changed the rights on the mount folder
[05:22] <aaronwaite> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /c
[05:22] <aaronwaite> oops. you'll need to do that as root or sudo.
[05:22] <GotD0t> yea
[05:23] <GotD0t> what OS was using that fat32 partition?
[05:23] <FXRS> mount: mount point /c does not exist
[05:23] <FXRS>  ?
[05:23] <GotD0t> did you create /c?
[05:23] <bob2> you don't need to change the rights on the mount folder
[05:23] <bob2> you need to set the umask mount option
[05:23] <FXRS> I thought I did. lol
[05:23] <GotD0t> haha
[05:23] <GotD0t> that would do it
[05:24] <FXRS> Now before with other distros I would go into /mnt and make it. Can I just open a term and make it anywhere?
[05:24] <bob2> yes.
[05:24] <GotD0t> yea
[05:24] <FXRS> sudo though too right?
[05:24] <GotD0t> correct
[05:24] <aaronwaite> if you made the "c" under mnt, you'd need /mnt/c
[05:25] <FXRS> Ok. This is a little different than other distros I've used.
[05:25] <FXRS> Unless its a gnome 2.8 thing.
[05:25] <Phr0stByte> Is Gimp 2.0 not showing the filters for any one else?
[05:25] <ShadowHawk> Ok, I installed package wamerican, and restarted OpenOffice, but can't find any spellchecking that works (it's not in the language tools dialogue either.)  However, gaim spellchecking works fine.
[05:25] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: mine shows the filters.
[05:25] <FXRS> aaronwaite, ok I'm in, but I don't have any access.
[05:26] <GotD0t> you mounted it but you cant access it?
[05:26] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: Mine's broken!!!
[05:26] <FXRS> I don't have the permissions.
[05:26] <GotD0t> right
[05:26] <GotD0t> ok. through fstab you have to set umask=000
[05:26] <aaronwaite> FXRS: i'll let someone else help with permissions. i always fudge those up too. :)
[05:26] <FXRS> Umm I think I just made a big boo boo. lmao
[05:27] <GotD0t> what did you do?
[05:27] <FXRS> I wanted the whole windows parition.
[05:27] <GotD0t> and you did?
[05:27] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: have you added or removed any Gimp related packages?
[05:27] <FXRS> I only had the c drive from what I seen. So I did rm -rf /c
[05:27] <FXRS> lmfao
[05:27] <bob2> ShadowHawk: I'm almost certain OO doesn't use that dictionary
[05:27] <GotD0t> well you have to mount both partitions separately
[05:28] <GotD0t> (in separate folders)
[05:28] <bob2> ShadowHawk: myspell-en-us - English (US) dictionary for myspell
[05:28] <ShadowHawk> bob2: Well what dictionary can I get it to use?  Ubuntu doesn't seem to ship with one
[05:28] <FXRS> I didn't by chance wipe my c drive off from the window partition did I?
[05:28] <GotD0t> no
[05:28] <bob2> ShadowHawk: found with (apt-cache search openoffice american)
[05:28] <GotD0t> do ls /c
[05:28] <bob2> you did rm -r /c? you lost all that data you had mounted then.
[05:29] <ShadowHawk> bob2: Ahh, thanks.  Maybe I should file a bug report suggesting it get included by default (if you pick American English as your language at install time) ?
[05:29] <bob2> ShadowHawk: it should, yeah, a bug report might be a good reminder for hoary
[05:29] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: Checking...
[05:29] <aaronwaite> let's try my question again. :) you can have multiple kernels installed and choose between them at boot in grub, right?
[05:30] <bob2> aaronwaite: yes.
[05:30] <FXRS> hang on I gotta check something I'll brb
[05:30] <GotD0t> k
[05:30] <bob2> aaronwaite: but in practice, you almost always just use the latest ubuntu one, so you don't need to
[05:30] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: ok. i'll stay until i'm sure i can't help anymore. :)
[05:31] <mirak> aaronwaite....check aim
[05:31] <aaronwaite> bob2: i'm having system lockup issues that have a bug filed for it. it suggests smp might be the problem. 
[05:31] <bob2> aaronwaite: ah, you can just install the non-smp kernel and pick it at boot, yeah
[05:32] <aaronwaite> bob2: cool. thanks! 
[05:32] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: I see the scripts in the directory they belong...
[05:33] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: But Gimp dont see them...
[05:34] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: let me launch mine and see what i can find.
[05:36] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: are you talking about things like effects, distortion, blur, lighting, etc?
[05:37] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: Yep
[05:38] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: wow. that's weird. unfortunately (or fortunately), it's always just worked for me, so i'm not sure where you'd troubleshoot. sorry. 
[05:40] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: I just started dev on my game after a long break, fired it up to do some graphic work, and surprise!
[05:40] <GotD0t> does anybody have any experience getting a gmail feed through liferea?
[05:40] <FX|Laptop> Hey this is FXRS on my laptop. I was getting help with my windows parition on my gaming machine.
[05:40] <GotD0t> hey
[05:40] <FX|Laptop> Guess what. The /c drive went bye-bye. lmao
[05:40] <GotD0t> you're kidding
[05:40] <GotD0t> wow
[05:40] <FX|Laptop> Yep
[05:40] <GotD0t> what did you do?
[05:40] <FX|Laptop> Oh well I wanted to clean it up anyways.
[05:40] <GotD0t> haha
[05:41] <brettcar> hm
[05:41] <bob2> GotD0t: he deleted it all.
[05:41] <brettcar> hey :P
[05:41] <FX|Laptop> Well I was still mounted to the /c drive when I did the ol' rm -rf
[05:41] <bob2> FX|Laptop: don't ever run "rm -r" unless you know *exactly* what you're doing.
[05:41] <aaronwaite> Phr0stByte: yeah. that's too weird. i'd make sure the devs hear about it. 
[05:41] <FX|Laptop> bob2, Well now thats a lesson learned. :D
[05:41] <anavrin> Can someone explain what the multiverse repository is all about? Not sure wether to add it or not
[05:41] <GotD0t> fx kinda comes under the heading of throwing the baby out with the bathwater
[05:41] <FX|Laptop> Good thing I had my gaming stuff backed up.
[05:42] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: nah - I brobably borked it mixing Debian packages in
[05:42] <GotD0t> brett why are you not on aim?
[05:42] <Phr0stByte> aaronwaite: just gotta untangle it
[05:42] <bob2> anavrin: non-free software
[05:42] <FX|Laptop> GotD0t, to be honest I find it kind of humorous
[05:42] <brettcar> GotD0t: Not sure.
[05:42] <brettcar> GotD0t: Just don't have it running
[05:42] <GotD0t> brettcar: well obviously...
[05:43] <mirak> any devs around????
[05:43] <brettcar> Anyone configured X for dual-head on PPC?
[05:43] <bob2> mirak: for?
[05:43] <mirak> sound isue since final upgrade
[05:43] <mirak> can i pm you?
[05:44] <bob2> mirak: just ask in the channel
[05:44] <FX|Laptop> Well thanks guys. Now I know a little more about how to mount the windows partition and WHAT not to do. :D
[05:44] <GotD0t> haha fx
[05:44] <GotD0t> yea... you only make that kinda mistake once
[05:44] <mirak> well, i dont have sound since i upgraded to final release
[05:44] <FX|Laptop> talk to you all later.
[05:44] <bob2> mirak: is the module loaded?
[05:44] <mirak> gotdot and i checked alot o' stuff...........still broken
[05:45] <mirak> bob2, i think so....i am newb.....could you tell me how to check?
[05:46] <bob2> mirak: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:46] <bob2> does that make noise/
[05:46] <mirak> bob2, cat: write error: Invalid argument
[05:47] <bob2> that sort of card do you have?
[05:47] <bob2> are you running an ubuntu kernel?
[05:47] <mirak> bob2, via onboard, yes i am
[05:47] <bob2> mirak: does "lsmod | grep snd" print anything out?
[05:48] <mirak> bob2, all i did was update to final, then do the stuff on the restricted wiki
[05:48] <mirak> bob2, yes it does print
[05:48] <bob2> what does it print?
[05:48] <mirak> too big to paste here
[05:49] <TerminX> "ur?" wow, what illiterate moron had access to the topic?
[05:49] <GotD0t> haha
[05:51] <xskoulax> lol @ TerminX
[05:52] <TerminX> say, what's the gdm theme and gnome splash look like now?
[05:52] <TerminX> is it safe for me to reinstall the ubuntu-artwork package?
[05:52] <TerminX> ;p
[05:52] <GotD0t> haha
[05:52] <GotD0t> i wouldn't know
[05:52] <brettcar> Actually I hope we have more human-oriented art
[05:52] <Tenniru> Ah, it works...
[05:52] <Tenniru> I need help with Ubuntu. 
[05:52] <TerminX> brettcar: just not art like what was there a week ago
[05:52] <brettcar> Right I agree
[05:53] <GotD0t> brettcar is just hoping for some full nudes
[05:53] <brettcar> But you don't see enough people on computers
[05:53] <GotD0t> ;-)
[05:53] <TheMuso> TerminX: Yes it is safe to install the final release of Ubuntu.
[05:53] <Tenniru> Um... when it installed, it asked for a username and password.
[05:53] <Tenniru> But no root. And I can't get into root.
[05:53] <TerminX> TheMuso: what?  I'm not installing any distros
[05:53] <brettcar> Tenniru: sudo command
[05:53] <brettcar> Tenniru: sudo -s
[05:53] <Tenniru> The root password is not the password I gave the installer.
[05:53] <brettcar> Tenniru: There is no root password. It is sudo access only.
[05:53] <Tenniru> Oh!
[05:53] <Tenniru> Thank you.
[05:54] <Tenniru> I'm saved.
[05:54] <GotD0t> heh
[05:54] <GotD0t> brettcar: was NWS?
[05:54] <GotD0t> err
[05:54] <GotD0t> what is*
[05:54] <GotD0t> wow
[05:54] <brettcar> PM me :P
[05:55] <TerminX> there's something NWS?  I want to see
[05:55] <brettcar> lol
[05:55] <brettcar> not Not work safe :P
[05:55] <TerminX> oh
[05:55] <TerminX> damnit
[05:55] <TerminX> never mind then
[05:55] <brettcar> completely unrelated sorry :P
[05:55] <TerminX> :D
[05:55] <eclipsex> ... how do i burn a cd?
[05:55] <eclipsex> i need an iso :/
[05:55] <meff> a lighter
[05:55] <eclipsex> :P
[05:55] <TerminX> meff: blowtorch man
[05:55] <GotD0t> or a match
[05:56] <eclipsex> how do i burn an iso onto a cd
[05:56] <brettcar> heh
[05:56] <xskoulax> NAPALM
[05:56] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:56] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:56] <TerminX> one time my burner spit out a bunch of coasters so I got the blowtorch and made this weird modern art out of them
[05:56] <TerminX> ;)
[05:56] <eclipsex> ;)
[05:56] <GotD0t> well you can take a blowtorch with a very fine point and a stencil
[05:56] <meff> eclipsex: with nautilus, or cmdline cdrecord/cdrdao, or install k3b from universe.
[05:56] <xskoulax> HAHA
[05:57] <eclipsex> k3b
[05:57] <TerminX> I always liked gcombust for burning
[05:57] <TerminX> too bad it's still gtk1
[05:57] <TerminX> ;_;
[05:57] <brettcar> My life is meaningless
[05:57] <brettcar> My entire purpose has been replaced by a robot now.
[05:58] <brettcar> http://arsenal.media.mit.edu/memes/robots/thebarbotvideo.mov
[05:58] <jacob> Is aptitude updating the "smart" or "default" way of upgrading (compared to synaptics) ?
[05:59] <TerminX> the "smart" way would be to just use apt
[05:59] <TerminX> ;p
[05:59] <brettcar> jacob: They all use slightly different methods
[05:59] <bern> can anyone help me getting my D-Link DGE-530T working on my desktop and my wireless on my laptop :P
[05:59] <max_> I have a Dell Latitude and the sound does not work, any hints
[06:00] <TerminX> max_: see if the sound is muted in alsamixer? ;p
[06:00] <brettcar> jacob: But the "smart" method synaptic uses would be equiv. to: aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:00] <TerminX> brettcar: you mean apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:00] <brettcar> TerminX: No I mean aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:01] <TerminX> uh, synaptic and aptitude are both front ends for apt
[06:01] <max_> not muted, I get an error no mixer elemnt/or devices found when I open the volume control
[06:01] <brettcar> TerminX: Nope
[06:01] <a2g> hi everyone, has anyone had any luck building gnome cvs head using jhbuild? I've been trying all day but I can't get libxklavier to build....
[06:01] <brettcar> TerminX: They share libapt
[06:01] <brettcar> TerminX: But neither accesses apt, the program suite, itself.
[06:01] <TerminX> oh I see
[06:01] <TerminX> that doesn't make the smart upgrade button in synaptic have anything to do with aptitude
[06:02] <brettcar> TerminX: And aptitude/synaptic/apt-get all use slightly different upgrade methods... aptitude will be nicer with recommendations than apt-get for example
[06:02] <TerminX> what are the differences?
[06:02] <brettcar> TerminX: I already dispelled the rumor that they were equivalents but the dist-upgrade is closest to synaptic's smart.
[06:02] <bern> can anyone help me getting my NIC card working on my desktop
[06:03] <GotD0t> wow bern, having a bunch of hardware trouble today
[06:03] <bern> GotD0t: oh yes
[06:03] <bern> GotD0t: amd is great for linux :P
[06:03] <bob2> a2g: erm, has anything actually changed in the month since 2.8 came out?
[06:03] <bern> GotD0t: i'm mostly having trouble getting the network stuff setup
[06:03] <TerminX> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
[06:03] <TerminX>   gpdf gtetrinet libfam-dev
[06:04] <TerminX> what gives aptitude that idea?
[06:04] <izaac> a k3b like app for gnome?
[06:04] <bob2> TerminX: if you want them, select them
[06:04] <bern> GotD0t: i can't get a wireless orinoco card working on my laptop and can't get the nic working on my desktop
[06:04] <TerminX> what does it mean by unused though
[06:04] <TerminX> I haven't used aptitude
[06:04] <TerminX> ever
[06:04] <bob2> TerminX: because they were originally installed only because something else Depended on them
[06:04] <brettcar> TerminX: No packages you have installed (or are being uninstalled) have dependences on those packages
[06:04] <GotD0t> bern, well maybe because its orinoco
[06:04] <GotD0t> bern, never heard of that
[06:04] <max_> Terminx: not muted, I get an error no mixer elemnt/or devices found when I open the volume control
[06:05] <brettcar> TerminX: It doesn't take into account your psychological dependencies for tetrinet ;)
[06:05] <bern> GotD0t: orinoco is natively supported by ubuntu and most other linux distros
[06:05] <TerminX> max_: what sound card?  did the modules load?
[06:05] <bern> GotD0t: it uses the prism chipset
[06:05] <TerminX> brettcar: well, I don't use gtetrinet
[06:05] <TerminX> but I use gpdf ;] 
[06:05] <GotD0t> bern, i still dont know what it is
[06:05] <a2g> bob2: I'm not doing it for new features as much as I am for getting started in helping out/developing for the gnome project
[06:05] <brettcar> TerminX: Install gpdf explicitly then
[06:05] <brettcar> TerminX: And it'll stop bothering you
[06:06] <izaac> x-cdroast can burn DVDs?
[06:08] <max_> Terminx: I think 82801 CA?CAM AC'97 Audio controller
[06:08] <TerminX> is it supported by ALSA?
[06:10] <TerminX> max_: and what does lspci say
[06:11] <max_> Terminx: have no idea... my PC is a DEll C840 Latitude the sound card is Crystal
[06:12] <crimsun> max_: use snd-intel8x0, but first disable the modem and the printer port in BIOS
[06:12] <max_> Terminx: lspci says : 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio
[06:12] <TerminX> crimsun: is the laptop he has older?  I googled and saw references to RH 7.3 ;)
[06:13] <crimsun> should be a Pentium M 1.6 GHz
[06:13] <crimsun> so it's not _that_ old :-)
[06:14] <crimsun> I'm sure that model has been out a while
[06:14] <dukeku> hi crimsun :)
[06:14] <crimsun> but it's not ancient like this P2/300
[06:14] <crimsun> lo ducas
[06:14] <TerminX> P2.. 300.. ;_;
[06:14] <crimsun> and the P2/200 isn't ancient like the microsparc at my apt that I'm using as a doorstop
[06:15] <dukeku> crimsun: how would you check to see if fglrx is working? :o i'm trying to help someone get their ati drivers working and i have no idea how to tell if it's loaded or not
[06:15] <GotD0t> i have an old wireles router that last time i checked didnt work
[06:15] <GotD0t> what should i do with it
[06:15] <GotD0t> (speaking of doorstops)
[06:16] <Pizbit> dukeku: lsmod and look for it, or try glxgear
[06:16] <Pizbit> Er, glxinfo perhaps
[06:16] <dukeku> Pizbit: heh, i had him try glxgears
[06:16] <xskoulax> crimsun: you don't want your doorstop to be blazing fast though ;)
[06:17] <crimsun> dukeku: glxinfo's output is marginally more useful than glxglears
[06:17] <dukeku> yes :)
[06:17] <KeithWeisshar> how many software packages are available between debian and ubuntu
[06:17] <dukeku> i was trying to remember what the command was
[06:17] <dukeku> glxgears popped into my mind for some reason
[06:18] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: Ubuntu with universe is nearly 13700
[06:19] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: marginally more with multiverse instead of universe
[06:19] <KeithWeisshar> should i use debian or ubuntu
[06:19] <KeithWeisshar> they both use debian packages
[06:19] <dukeku> which of course means they're the same
[06:20] <KeithWeisshar> how many debian users switched to ubunto
[06:20] <Pizbit> KeithWeisshar: How new are you to linux?:)
[06:20] <KeithWeisshar> not used linux
[06:20] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: it really depends on your intent. If you want a nice, current GNOME 2.8-based Debian-based distro, then the choice is obviously Ubuntu Warty.
[06:20] <Pizbit> Definately Ubuntu then
[06:20] <xskoulax> i'll 2nd Pizbit on that
[06:20] <KeithWeisshar> what about kde
[06:20] <Pizbit> KeithWeisshar: Sod kde :)
[06:20] <xskoulax> what about kde ;)
[06:21] <KeithWeisshar> why does ubuntu use gnome instead of kde
[06:21] <mdz> KeithWeisshar: I believe that's answered in the FAQ
[06:21] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: KDE is installable via universe, but it has not been integrated as smoothly as gnome has.
[06:21] <mdz> GNOME is a better fit for Ubuntu
[06:22] <dukeku> heh
[06:22] <xskoulax> KeithWeisshar: gnome is cleaner imho, you can still use kde applications if you wish
[06:22] <dukeku> where is the driver info in glxinfo? o_O
[06:22] <dukeku> renderer? :/
[06:22] <crimsun> or vendor
[06:22] <dukeku> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:22] <dukeku> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:22] <dukeku> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4
[06:22] <dukeku> \o/
[06:22] <dukeku> that's what he's getting
[06:22] <Pizbit> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation :)
[06:22] <KeithWeisshar> what country is the shipit cd for?
[06:23] <crimsun> i don't think his fgl libs are installed correctly :/
[06:23] <xskoulax> worldwide baby
[06:23] <crimsun> dukeku: did you send him to #ati?
[06:23] <dukeku> crimsun: he followed the binary driver how-to :/
[06:23] <xskoulax> ubuntu rox
[06:23] <Pizbit> Ok here's a question, are there any good alarom programs in ubuntu thay you're aware of?
[06:23] <Pizbit> alarm*
[06:25] <Tenniru> I'm back again...
[06:25] <Tenniru> I only have one button due to the whole "I have an iBook" thing...
[06:25] <Tenniru> I can't empty the trash.
[06:25] <dukeku> f12.
[06:25] <dukeku> function+eject
[06:25] <xskoulax> mmmmmm iBook
[06:25] <crimsun> Pizbit: ...does Evolution have one?
[06:25] <GotD0t> haha
[06:25] <dukeku> i wish mine would go to sleep :(
[06:26] <GotD0t> that would never have occured to me
[06:26] <KeithWeisshar> which is faster, kde or gnome
[06:26] <dukeku> well, wake up:)
[06:26] <GotD0t> the whole one mouse button on macs
[06:26] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[06:26] <Pizbit> crimsun: I detest evolution
[06:26] <xskoulax> i find gnome quicker running
[06:26] <dukeku> Tenniru: hit F12
[06:26] <Tenniru> I'm not going to just put a two-button mouse on my USB port...
[06:26] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: that probably depends on the theme you use, what programs you run, etc.
[06:26] <xskoulax> its a little lighter on resources i think
[06:26] <dukeku> Tenniru: so use F12 for right click!
[06:26] <Tenniru> I have sucessfully EJECTED MY CD DRIVE.
[06:26] <Pizbit> Tenniru: Yay?
[06:26] <dukeku> use the function key
[06:26] <dukeku> :E
[06:27] <dukeku> it's to the left of control
[06:27] <Tenniru> Oh.
[06:27] <dukeku> hold that, press eject
[06:27] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[06:27] <dukeku> no problem, i had trouble figuring that out as well :)
[06:27] <Tenniru> Uh...
[06:27] <dukeku> not working? :O
[06:27] <Tenniru> It works.
[06:27] <crimsun> Pizbit: how about xcal or the alarm plugin for XMMS?
[06:27] <dukeku> excellent, then
[06:27] <Tenniru> Thanks
[06:28] <Pizbit> crimsun: I use the alarm plugin for xmms currently
[06:28] <Pizbit> It's the only reason why I have that POS install.
[06:28] <crimsun> honestly, I use my mobile phone's alarm clock
[06:28] <KeithWeisshar> what's the difference between ubuntu and the original debian?
[06:28] <crimsun> it's the only thing annoying enough to rouse me
[06:28] <dukeku> KeithWeisshar: plenty of things
[06:28] <Pizbit> I need different times for different days, and I need it to be able to be loud while starting quiet:)
[06:28] <dukeku> crimsun: nothing wakes me :(
[06:29] <dukeku> something may wake me up once
[06:29] <dukeku> but on the second day i'll sleep right through it
[06:29] <GotD0t> i have an old fashioned quartz alarm clock sitting on my desk
[06:30] <KeithWeisshar> where is the final version of the livecd
[06:30] <dukeku> i have one of those
[06:30] <dukeku> it woke me up once :)
[06:30] <KeithWeisshar> will there be a separate live and install cd for ubuntu
[06:30] <dukeku> ...
[06:30] <Pizbit> KeithWeisshar: That's how it already is.
[06:30] <crimsun> there is a separate live cd
[06:30] <GotD0t> whats cool is it looks like one of those OLD clocks round with a base and two bells on top... cept insead of hands and stuff its got an LCD
[06:31] <GotD0t> and the bells are non functioning...
[06:32] <Tenniru> Okay, I just installed the OS an hour ago and I'm still clueless. So...
[06:33] <crimsun> KeithWeisshar: both the live and the install isos are here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[06:33] <Pizbit> Ahh well, it's mostly kde crap:)
[06:36] <KeithWeisshar> should i download the install cd
[06:36] <dukeku> should you?
[06:36] <KeithWeisshar> should i download both install and live
[06:36] <KeithWeisshar> is the live cd installable
[06:36] <McManus> What exactly is the multiverse repository?
[06:37] <KeithWeisshar> why does the filename of the live cd still include rc2 instead of release
[06:37] <KeithWeisshar> is the live cd still release candidate 2
[06:38] <bern> I am having trouble with my orinoco wireless card.  I have it working and it is definately interfacing with my AP.. I can monitor packets on the network, and I can pull an IP from the DHCP using dhclient; however, I cannot ping the router, and I cannot access the internet.  DHCP does provide me with DNS servers, but for some reason I still cannot ping anything.. anybody have any ideas?
[06:39] <bern> and if I run iwevent, I dont get any output ever...?
[06:39] <KeithWeisshar> where can i download the shipit cd label?
[06:39] <xskoulax> KeithWeisshar: my understanding is that the livecd dosn't have an install option
[06:41] <xskoulax> KeithWeisshar: if you use http://shipit.ubuntu.com they will ship both the live cd and install cd to you, in a cdwallet i beleive
[06:41] <xskoulax> not sure i get what you mean by downloading a label
[06:41] <GotD0t> he wants the image so he can print out on special paper to put on top the cd he burned
[06:42] <GotD0t> to make it look professional
[06:42] <xskoulax> couldn't tell you then
[06:42] <GotD0t> instead of just using a permanent marker
[06:42] <GotD0t> with ubuntu 4.10 written on it
[06:42] <adam> hey guys, my card supports TV Out, but I never have ever tried to use it before in linux, how would I activate it?
[06:42] <GotD0t> ;-)
[06:43] <xskoulax> permanent marker p4wns
[06:44] <rancoras> adam: what card is it?
[06:44] <KeithWeisshar> how much does it actually cost to ship the cd
[06:44] <xskoulax> it costs you nothing
[06:45] <xskoulax> i don't know what it costs ubuntu/canonical
[06:46] <adam> ATI
[06:46] <adam> ATI Radeon Mobility M7 7500
[06:47] <rancoras> not familiar with ATI cards, did you already google?
[06:48] <adam> i don't even know where to start to even to see if Ubuntu found it and set it up
[06:48] <adam> if i connect it, how do i turn the TV on?
[06:48] <GotD0t> usually tvs have a thing called a power button
[06:48] <GotD0t> ;-)
[06:48] <GotD0t> i mean, most modern ones do
[06:48] <rancoras> har
[06:48] <adam> :-\
[06:50] <rancoras> I would start on ATI's site, looking at any documentation you can find about the linux drivers they provide
[06:52] <adam> its a laptop, they don't suppor their mobility line
[06:54] <rancoras> then that's probably your answer...tvout is usually enabled by the manufacturer drivers
[06:54] <droogz> i was woundering if any 1 could help me i got ati 9700 and i read and did all this http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto and i still cant get 3d support
[06:54] <rancoras> at least with nvidia it is
[06:55] <adam> droogz: getting any error
[06:55] <adam> ?
[06:55] <adam> ok...  lol bye
[06:57] <droogz> sorry 
[06:57] <adam> droogz: getting any error
[06:57] <adam> lol was waiting to see id u'd come back heh
[06:57] <droogz> i dumped the term want the txt
[06:58] <droogz> no i got no errors at all
[06:59] <droogz> followed the examples just like there said
[06:59] <adam> can u post the file on a website?
[06:59] <adam> and what does this file contain?
[06:59] <droogz> just txt
[06:59] <adam> What file?
[07:00] <droogz> its my glxinfo
[07:00] <droogz> i pasted it to a text
[07:00] <adam> thats not necessary.
[07:00] <rancoras> what fps u getting?
[07:00] <droogz> i get 200-400 fps in glxgears
[07:00] <rancoras> eek
[07:00] <droogz> and i cant get direct render
[07:01] <adam> i'm getting about 1000? is that good?
[07:01] <droogz> i get 4 fps in tux racer
[07:01] <droogz> lmao
[07:01] <adam> ok
[07:01] <rancoras> better than droogz :P
[07:01] <droogz> ive tried over 10 distros to get ati drivers to work
[07:01] <adam> droogz: look /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if there are any lines that say (EE)
[07:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[07:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[07:03] <droogz> would that be my problem
[07:03] <adam> yea, thats your problem...
[07:03] <adam> do "lsmod | grep agp
[07:03] <adam> see if agpgart is listed... (unles the ATI 9700 doesn't use that?) i use the 7500 and it uses agpgart
[07:03] <dukeku> hi droogz /o\
[07:04] <droogz> nvidia_agp              7676  1
[07:04] <droogz> agpgart                33640  1 nvidia_agp
[07:04] <droogz> i caved in dukeku
[07:04] <adam> droogz: what video card?
[07:04] <droogz> ati 9700 aiw pro
[07:04] <rancoras> is that a nforce chipset on yer mobo?
[07:04] <dukeku> arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:04] <droogz> yes
[07:04] <dukeku> my main monitor is death
[07:04] <droogz> nforce 1
[07:04] <adam> type in lsmod | grep ati
[07:05] <droogz> nothing
[07:05] <adam> type in lsmod | grep radeon
[07:05] <droogz> nothing
[07:05] <adam> ok, try modprobe radeon
[07:06] <droogz> FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko): Operation not permitted
[07:06] <adam> sudo modprobe radeon
[07:06] <droogz> ok
[07:06] <adam> ok
[07:06] <droogz> nothing
[07:06] <droogz> just put pass
[07:06] <droogz> and that was done
[07:07] <adam> try doing lsmod | grep radeon
[07:07] <adam> thats good that nothing came back, that means it loaded
[07:07] <droogz> radeon                129252  0
[07:07] <droogz> thats what i figured
[07:07] <adam> ok, try restarting X and see if it works.
[07:09] <rancoras> hey adam, radeon is the one that comes with X isn't it?
[07:09] <rancoras> I don't think it's 3d accelerated
[07:09] <adam> rancoras: well, i'm using that one on my 7500, but i don't know if its the binary driver.
[07:09] <adam> that is true...
[07:09] <adam> i am able to get 1000+ FPS in glxgears
[07:09] <rancoras> fglrx is the 3d one
[07:10] <dukeku> asdglhakoujhab
[07:10] <adam> so then it won't work...
[07:10] <adam> we loaded the wrong driver.
[07:10] <rancoras> prolly not....but we'll see
[07:10] <adam> how do we find out what the binary driver name would be?
[07:10] <rancoras> should be fglrx
[07:10] <adam> oh...
[07:10] <adam> well, let see if he comes back
[07:10] <rancoras> if he followed that howto to the letter like he said
[07:11] <adam> whats the link to that howto?
[07:11] <rancoras> it should already be in his /etc/modules
[07:11] <adam> assume nothing hehe
[07:11] <rancoras> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:11] <adam> otherwise u won't beable to find out the problem
[07:11] <adam> well?
[07:11] <droogz> nope
[07:11] <Poyayan> hey when starting up ubuntu (before X) I get about 4 "FATAL" errors due to it trying to load some modules should I just remove those modules from the modules.conf or something?
[07:12] <adam> shpchp?
[07:12] <adam> hw_random/
[07:12] <rancoras> Poyayan: what modules?
[07:12] <Poyayan> um I'll be right back gotta reboot to find out
[07:12] <rancoras> heh
[07:13] <droogz> i get that too
[07:13] <droogz> what he said
[07:13] <adam> me?
[07:13] <rancoras> I ask you too....what modules?
[07:13] <droogz> poyayan
[07:13] <droogz> i get that same erros
[07:13] <adam> when u start?
[07:13] <droogz> yeah
[07:13] <adam> i'm confused... heh
[07:13] <droogz> when i boot
[07:13] <burnboy> i don't know if this would be some kind of odd ubuntu problem but do you have timeout problems with connecting remotely via SSH?
[07:14] <adam> we're talking about 2 different things now..
[07:14] <adam> a boot error and your (EE) error
[07:14] <droogz> lol
[07:14] <droogz> ive been trying to get ati driver to work with linux for 2 years now
[07:14] <droogz> :o
[07:14] <adam> lol
[07:15] <adam> droogz: what is going on now?
[07:15] <droogz> i like unbuntu allot
[07:15] <droogz> same
[07:15] <droogz> just 2d
[07:15] <droogz> no 3d
[07:15] <adam> yea
[07:15] <rancoras> lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:15] <adam> type in lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:15] <adam> lol
[07:15] <rancoras> beat ya :P
[07:15] <adam> oh well...
[07:15] <droogz> fglrx                 214820  0
[07:16] <adam> yea...
[07:16] <rancoras> well, it's loaded
[07:16] <adam> he did follow correctly.
[07:16] <rancoras> hmmm
[07:16] <adam> what aws that (EE) error u got?
[07:16] <droogz> back to log i go
[07:16] <droogz> where was it
[07:16] <droogz> lol
[07:17] <rancoras> I wonder if the nvidia agpgart and the card aren't playin nice nice
[07:18] <adam> droogz: AMD procesor?
[07:18] <Poyayan> ok back
[07:18] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[07:18] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[07:18] <droogz> its trying to load my shit as pci
[07:18] <droogz> err
[07:18] <adam> thats normal
[07:18] <rancoras> adam: with an nforce chipset, it's gotta be amd
[07:19] <droogz> yeah
[07:19] <droogz> amd 2200
[07:19] <Poyayan> anyway I got errors on pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko and pciehp.ko  and I got one with char/hw_random.ko
[07:19] <adam> yes.
[07:19] <adam> Poyayan: display bug
[07:19] <droogz> Poyayan i have that too
[07:19] <adam> ignore it, i get it too
[07:19] <sabmoc> is it just me, or is there no ftp client???
[07:19] <Poyayan> infact the errors for the hotplug ones occur twice
[07:19] <adam> sabmoc: no, i use gFTP
[07:19] <Poyayan> sabmoc ftp and lftp are installed by default
[07:19] <rancoras> gftp should be in the internet menu
[07:20] <Poyayan> but get gftp with apt-get
[07:20] <droogz> all my drivers are install right and everything
[07:20] <droogz> just gota figure out y i get the ee
[07:20] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[07:20] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[07:20] <droogz> that
[07:20] <sabmoc> thx :)
[07:20] <adam> droogz,:
[07:21] <adam> type in dmsg and tell me if it says anything about agpgart
[07:21] <droogz> or am i rong and i should just give up on linux forever
[07:21] <ukasz> how to setup sylpheed to use my postfix for sending email?
[07:21] <droogz> Dmsg: command not found
[07:22] <droogz> i tried lower case too
[07:22] <adam> lowerccase d
[07:22] <rancoras> demsg
[07:22] <adam> dmesg
[07:22] <adam> my bad... it "dmesg" no quotes.
[07:23] <sabmoc> droogz, just give up forever :D
[07:23] <adam> lol
[07:23] <droogz> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 690M
[07:23] <droogz> agpgart: Detected nVidia nForce1 chipset
[07:23] <droogz> agpgart: Bridge device is in AGP v1/v2 mode
[07:23] <droogz> agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xf0000000
[07:23] <droogz> Power management callback for AGP chipset installed
[07:23] <droogz> [fglrx]  AGP detected, AgpState   = 0x00000000 (hardware caps of chipset)
[07:23] <droogz> [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 4439 using kernel context 0
[07:23] <droogz> foreal
[07:23] <droogz> this is stupid
[07:24] <adam> what is that last line?
[07:24] <adam> thats weird... firegl?
[07:24] <droogz> yeah
[07:24] <rancoras> it's right
[07:24] <rancoras> that's what the fgl in fglrx stands for
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[07:24] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
[07:24] <droogz> im about to shoot some 1
[07:25] <adam> droogz: 1sec
[07:25] <adam> there's a lot of documentation about this out there.
[07:25] <adam> is looks like a common error
[07:25] <droogz> i know
[07:25] <droogz> i thought i would get flamed on for askign about it
[07:25] <droogz> lol
[07:25] <sabmoc> droogz, violence begets violence, you should go read some tao te ching or someshit and calm down :)
[07:25] <adam> droogz: check your XF86config-4 and see if UseInternalAGPGART was set
[07:26] <droogz> ok
[07:26] <sabmoc> computers are here to torture us and make us miserable, just like wives
[07:26] <sabmoc> but somehow we love them
[07:27] <Poyayan> how do we tell it not to load some modules with hotplug on?
[07:28] <droogz> i dont even see that in there
[07:28] <droogz> lol
[07:28] <adam> yea.
[07:28] <adam> you're screwed actually cause its initializing before u start linux.
[07:28] <rancoras> put em in the blacklist file  /etc/hotplug I think
[07:28] <droogz> Section "Device"
[07:28] <droogz> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9700 Pro (R300 ND)"
[07:28] <droogz> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[07:28] <droogz> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[07:28] <bob2> Poyayan: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:28] <Poyayan> ah ok
[07:29] <Poyayan> and how do I tell it not to keep trying to see if my partition is ext3 when its reiserfs?
[07:29] <rancoras> I guess he gave up :?
[07:29] <rancoras> heh
[07:29] <droogz> i need to stop doing that 
[07:29] <droogz> damn it
[07:30] <droogz> go to close a pm and i close irc gg
[07:30] <adam> droogz: if you copy and paste your error in google, there are a LOT of results..
[07:30] <rancoras> there's a bunch of google hits for fglrx dri initialization failed droogz
[07:30] <droogz> ive tried it all
[07:30] <adam> lol beat ya ;-)
[07:30] <rancoras> dammit
[07:30] <attitude> What do i apt-get to get the kernel sources and header files?
[07:30] <rancoras> har
[07:30] <droogz> stayed up 3 days on slackware
[07:31] <rancoras> attitude: substitute the word linux for the word kernel
[07:31] <bob2> linux-source.
[07:31] <attitude> rancoras: thanks
[07:31] <attitude> bob2: thanks
[07:32] <adam> attitude:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/compile-kernel-module
[07:32] <rancoras> bob2: any idea why the devs did that?  that seems to bethe number 1 question
[07:32] <bob2> but you almost certainly don't need to compile it...
[07:32] <IRCMonkey____> nvidia install need kernel-source, how do i find kernel-source? sorry, newbie
[07:32] <adam> lol
[07:32] <bob2> rancoras: rename it?  I dunno...
[07:32] <rancoras> geez
[07:32] <adam> LOL
[07:32] <bob2> IRCMonkey____: no it doesn't
[07:32] <Poyayan> ok time to go see what errors are still left
[07:32] <bob2> IRCMonkey____: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <attitude> adam: thanks
[07:32] <IRCMonkey____> thanks..
[07:32] <adam> does anyone ever read documentation?
[07:32] <adam> RTFM!
[07:33] <bob2> adam: chill, dude.
[07:33] <adam> haha
[07:33] <adam> its just funny
[07:33] <burnboy> it's also funny that people still resort to saying RTFM.
[07:33] <bob2> hah, indeed.
[07:33] <adam> yea... well i usually don't
[07:34] <rancoras> some people would just rather ask than search an answer on their own
[07:34] <burnboy> it's shit like RTFM that have killed the spirit of human communication...buuuuuut that's neither here nor there...i mean i'm pretty sure the disciples (not that i'm religious, just an example) didn't tell each other to RTFM.
[07:34] <rancoras> my son is exactly like that
[07:34] <IRCMonkey____> do i need online to apt-get install nvidia-glx? i have already nvidia with sh extention.. 
[07:35] <xskoulax> rancoras: isn't asking a form of search?
[07:35] <bob2> IRCMonkey____: please read the instructions I pointed you at.
[07:35] <rancoras> IRCMonkey____: ya, u gotta be online
[07:35] <rancoras> xskoulax: u got me there
[07:35] <bob2> it really would be better for everyone if people at least skimmed the FAQ before asking here
[07:35] <rancoras> that's why there's a FAQ after all
[07:35] <bob2> IRC support doesn't scale very well compared to a good documentation set.
[07:36] <xskoulax> but look at it this way if ppl didn't ask those questions they would no longer belong on a FAQ ;)
[07:36] <rancoras> xskoulax: what are you readin?  some zen shit?
[07:37] <bob2> "zen and the art of procrastinating on irc"
[07:37] <rancoras> har
[07:37] <xskoulax> reading, are you kidding me i'm like your son i'd ask ;)
[07:37] <rancoras> roflmao
[07:37] <droogz> i might not be back
[07:37] <droogz> might have broke it
[07:37] <droogz> lol
[07:37] <rancoras> doh
[07:37] <droogz> wish me luck on this reboot
[07:37] <rancoras> luck
[07:38] <Krypt0n> sometimes its helpful to talk to someone about stuff
[07:38] <Krypt0n> i usually google as much as possible, but theres occasions where asking someone about their experience helps 1000 times more
[07:39] <burnboy> is nfs listed in /proc/filesystems?
[07:39] <burnboy> *supposed to be*
[07:40] <xskoulax> a problem i have quite a bit is that i don't even know what question to ask i just know so and so is not acting like i would expect "broke"
[07:42] <rancoras> sweet, java and azureus are workin now :D
[07:42] <bob2> burnboy: did you load the nfs module?
[07:43] <rancoras> this machine is coming together nicely
[07:43] <xskoulax> \0/
[07:43] <bob2> xskoulax: no one can help with a question like that.  you need to say what thing you thinkg is broken, what you think it should be doing, and what it actualy is.  and everything you did to get it that way.
[07:44] <rancoras> tryin to decide now whether or not to pollute this very nice gnome with a kde app....K3B is a hard burning app to beat
[07:44] <xskoulax> bob2 i know thats where places like this channel really come into their own
[07:44] <bob2> xskoulax: yeah, but you need to form your question so that people can help you more easily.
[07:45] <bob2> xskoulax: it is highly annoying when someone comes in and says "my sound is broken!", etc.
[07:45] <Lathiat> rancoras: It's good, but for most purposes nautilus cd burning stuff is fine (excepting audio cds)
[07:45] <tux2furious> what is the cd burning software in ubuntu?
[07:45] <bob2> nautilus.
[07:45] <rancoras> Lathiat: yup, I do more of those and vcd than anything....I guess I could get by with the cli apps....but a gui is much nicer to work with
[07:46] <Lathiat> rancoras: ahh ok, in that case, yeh
[07:46] <attitude> thanks for the help
[07:47] <rancoras> gnome needs a K3B ----bad
[07:48] <tux2furious> anyone?
[07:48] <Lathiat> rancoras: ones being worked on, coaster or something i think its called, no idea what it supports?
[07:48] <xskoulax> tux2furious: you can burn with nautalus
[07:49] <xskoulax> that might be for data only, not sure
[07:49] <rancoras> tux2furious: nautilus will do basic data discs and isos
[07:50] <Lathiat> it does isos and basic data file disks
[07:50] <tux2furious> ic
[07:50] <xskoulax> what do you need to burn tux2furious
[07:50] <tux2furious> ubuntu is clean
[07:50] <tux2furious> but maybe too clean
[07:50] <tux2furious> flash, java, codec, etc not there
[07:50] <tux2furious> can't play dvd mp3
[07:51] <xskoulax> well they have restrictive licences
[07:51] <wm_eddie> tux2furious: AFAIK only Gentoo has that kind of stuff.
[07:51] <tux2furious> it's basically not out of the box
[07:51] <rancoras> there's some nice FAQs for that stuff on www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:51] <xskoulax> no but debians apt-get which ubuntu features makes getting stuff very easy
[07:51] <droogz> still cant get it to work
[07:51] <droogz> i was reading stuff
[07:51] <droogz> didnt break it
[07:51] <xskoulax> wb droogz
[07:52] <rancoras> w00t no breakage
[07:52] <droogz> nope
[07:52] <droogz> im about to downgrade to my geforce 4400
[07:52] <droogz> because ati is the devil
[07:52] <xskoulax> if it works isn't it an upgrade?
[07:52] <Poyayan> how do you get it to just use reiser strait away instead of trying ext3 and giving a VFS error?
[07:53] <droogz> hey Poyayan
[07:53] <rancoras> droogz: at least your 3D will work
[07:53] <Poyayan> yes?
[07:53] <droogz> do ydo you have 3d support
[07:53] <droogz> you*
[07:53] <Poyayan> yes
[07:54] <droogz> then dont worie about that 
[07:54] <droogz> go play games
[07:54] <sabmoc> ok, totem wont play mpeg's.. thats a weird default behavior
[07:54] <droogz> i cant
[07:54] <droogz> lol
[07:54] <Poyayan> lol
[07:54] <myfology> hello all
[07:54] <Poyayan> ati isn't the best in supporting linux shamefully
[07:55] <Poyayan> I've gotten it to work on slackware but to be honest I'm new to the whole dep thing so I can't really help you much
[07:55] <droogz> i installed everything right
[07:55] <droogz> i got it on slackware
[07:55] <droogz> but games still had bad fps
[07:55] <droogz> but it siad i had 3d support
[07:55] <droogz> lol
[07:56] <Poyayan> yeah but I've gotten pretty bad frame rates with UT2004 even though UT2003 worked fine
[07:56] <tux2furious> wm_eddie, mepis, knoppix has all those stuff
[07:56] <rancoras> droogz: I still think it's the nvidia chipset and the radeon not liking each other
[07:56] <Poyayan> I wonder if it's the new drivers
[07:56] <tux2furious> something wrong here... seems lag
[07:56] <droogz> i think windows is GOD
[07:56] <droogz> lol
[07:56] <sabmoc> how do i get mpeg to work?
[07:56] <droogz> joking
[07:57] <droogz> does linux need codecs
[07:57] <wm_eddie> tux2furious: check out this sources.list http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[07:57] <Tenniru> Once again, I need help. 
[07:57] <rancoras> sabmoc: did you try totem-xine?
[07:57] <Tenniru> Those four other desktops I can switch to...
[07:57] <Tenniru> The thing that lets me switch between them has disappeared.
[07:57] <Poyayan> I think windows is better for gaming and will be until ATI and nvidia are forced to actually write good drivers for linux
[07:57] <sabmoc> rancoras, i tried playing it in totem if thats what you mean, yes
[07:57] <Poyayan> they both kinda half ass it but ati more so
[07:57] <wm_eddie> Tenniru: right click on the panel and select add to panel...
[07:58] <rancoras> sabmoc: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[07:58] <Tenniru> Ah. There it is.
[07:58] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[07:59] <rancoras> Tenniru: it's called the pager BTW
[07:59] <droogz> ati needs to take the dicks out there asses and make some good drivers for linux
[07:59] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[07:59] <wm_eddie> Nvidia and ATI need to make GPL drivers is what they need to do...
[07:59] <wm_eddie> damn them and their proprietary bull...
[08:00] <myfology> have you tried mplayer?
[08:00] <sabmoc> rancoras, totem-gstreamer is installed and i guess thats what i was using, but i noticed libxine wasnt installed, so i installed that but still mpeg's wont work.
[08:01] <Poyayan> well that's not going to happen wm_eddie
[08:01] <Poyayan> at least not anytime soon ...
[08:01] <sabmoc> wm_eddie, actually it could happen, but not by nvidia or ati
[08:01] <Poyayan> I wish they would
[08:01] <rancoras> sabmoc: just for giggles, try uninstalling totem-gstreamer and installing totem-xine from universe
[08:01] <wm_eddie> They can but they are being stupid about it.
[08:01] <myfology> sabmoc, I d/l mplayer and and compiled from source
[08:01] <myfology> works great
[08:01] <rancoras> sabmoc: mplayer is good too
[08:02] <wm_eddie> they have a small group of at most 8 people working over time, just to create the POS drivers they have out now.
[08:02] <Poyayan> wrong window to close the tab in
[08:02] <rancoras> sabmoc: there's a good howto on www.ubuntuforums.org for mplayer
[08:02] <wm_eddie> If it was GPL, they'd have Hundreds.
[08:02] <sabmoc> rancoras, when i search the datebase in synaptic there is no totem-xine
[08:02] <myfology> I'm pretty much a nub to linux, so I went to the forum and followed inst.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[08:02] <rancoras> sabmoc: do you have universe enabled?
[08:02] <sabmoc> no idea, what is that?
[08:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[08:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[08:03] <droogz> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel
[08:03] <droogz> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xf0ac8000 at 0x40233000
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
[08:03] <droogz> ^ my problem
[08:03] <droogz> big head ach
[08:03] <droogz> no way to fix
[08:03] <rancoras> sabmoc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[08:04] <ctalkep> hi there
[08:04] <sabmoc> rancoras, ok, before i do that, what is universe?
[08:04] <ctalkep> i'm looking for daf
[08:04] <ctalkep> reading this?
[08:05] <rancoras> sabmoc: a repository of unsupported apps from the debian repositories
[08:05] <myfology> go to your synaptic package manager and click on your repositories
[08:05] <bob2> ctalkep: daf's not here at the moment
[08:05] <myfology> and check universe to get from them.
[08:05] <ctalkep> when will he be back?
[08:05] <ctalkep> any idea?
[08:06] <bob2> ctalkep: no idea.
[08:06] <ctalkep> ok, bob2. thanks
[08:06] <myfology> open synaptic,  click settings, click repositories.. then scroll down to the unchecked univers sources, and check it.
[08:06] <myfology> then hit reload, and you'll have access to alot more stuff.
[08:08] <NiteRider> hello
[08:08] <NiteRider> i have a quickie
[08:08] <droogz> raise your hands if i should give up
[08:08] <NiteRider> i'm tryin to install the .bin file for realplayer 10
[08:08] <sabmoc> rancoras, ok, uninstalling totem-gstreamer also wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. That sounds bad.
[08:08] <NiteRider> lol
[08:08] <bob2> sabmoc: no, it's not bad
[08:09] <Poyayan> yeah I did it
[08:09] <myfology> should be just a update to desktop
[08:09] <NiteRider> when it ask about the symbolic links, what should i put there
[08:09] <Poyayan> it doesn't do anything bad
[08:09] <Poyayan> ubuntu-desktop isn't the actual desktop if you are scared of losing it
[08:09] <paulproteus> sabmoc: That package is called a "meta-package".  It's like a label that says, "The full regular ubuntu desktop is installed'.
[08:09] <NiteRider> ubuntu desktop is this months theme
[08:09] <sabmoc> yeah i just read that, ok no prob
[08:09] <Poyayan> it's just a meta-package that has a group of packages
[08:10] <rancoras> NiteRider: no, that's ubuntu calendar
[08:10] <Poyayan> so you select the meta-package all packages in the group are installed
[08:10] <NiteRider> ?..really..ok...sorry i read wrong then
[08:10] <rancoras> heh
[08:11] <NiteRider> no i apologize....i remember now...you are correct...i had an alzheimers moment there
[08:11] <sabmoc> do i have to restart the desktop or anything?
[08:11] <rancoras> nah
[08:11] <Poyayan> no
[08:11] <rancoras> now install totem-xine
[08:11] <bob2> sabmoc: no
[08:12] <NiteRider> about realplayer 10.....plus i gather i can't install mplayer on ubuntu
[08:12] <bob2> NiteRider: you can instakll whatever you want
[08:12] <Poyayan> you can
[08:12] <rancoras> NiteRider: yeah, mplayer works well
[08:12] <Poyayan> it's just not supported
[08:12] <Poyayan> aka they won't guarantee patches or updates
[08:12] <bob2> NiteRider: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:12] <sabmoc> yay :)
[08:12] <NiteRider> nope..i tried mplayer (to really get the plugin) it says...i can't
[08:13] <sabmoc> thx ppl
[08:13] <bob2> NiteRider: no, you mean to say that ubuntu doesn't support mplayer, which is true
[08:13] <rancoras> sabmoc: did it work?
[08:13] <bob2> NiteRider: you can certainly install it, if you tell apt where to get it from.  read  that wiki page.
[08:13] <sabmoc> rancoras, yep
[08:13] <myfology> follow this link, to see ow to do it.. it's in the forums.. you actually compile from sources  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[08:13] <rancoras> great, your welcome
[08:13] <Poyayan> ahh it's bob2 thanks for helping me yesterday
[08:14] <myfology> trust me it works fine.. easy to follow insructions.
[08:14] <sabmoc> rancoras, i had to uninstall libxine1 and uninstall totem-xine, but then i reinstalled them both and it worked find
[08:14] <bob2> ew, forums
[08:14] <sabmoc> fine*
[08:14] <bob2> Poyayan: you'rewelcome.
[08:14] <rancoras> NiteRider: there's even destructions on how to install the plugin
[08:14] <rancoras> sabmoc: good deal
[08:14] <wm_eddie> destructions... hehe.
[08:15] <Poyayan> oh how do I not load the ext modules?
[08:15] <droogz> hey i think i found how to fix ati+nforce+2.6.x kernal
[08:15] <droogz>  It easy to remove this Oops.
[08:15] <droogz> Try edit firegl_public.c, find function _ke_amd_adv_spec_cache_feature .... In this function, comment all what is in her body and write only one line: "return 0". This is safe, because this function is used only on kernel < 2.4.18.
[08:15] <droogz> Than recompile driver fglrx.
[08:15] <droogz> This helps me boot in GUI with 3Dacceleration on kernel 2.6, no Oops no errors.
[08:15] <droogz> I hope, that I help you.
[08:15] <goatboy> myfology: you don't have to compile it, it's packaged in multiverse.
[08:15] <Poyayan> they just sit there and do nothing all day
[08:15] <NiteRider> super...thanks
[08:15] <myfology> multiverse?
[08:15] <rancoras> droogz: so do it and let up know
[08:15] <bob2> Poyayan: you can't
[08:15] <bob2> Poyayan: but it doesn't matter.
[08:15] <bob2> myfology: read the wiki.
[08:15] <myfology> is that different from the universe repository?
[08:15] <Poyayan> ah ok
[08:15] <myfology> ah
[08:15] <bob2> droogz: can you put that in the wiki?
[08:16] <myfology> tanks
[08:16] <bob2> myfology: yes, it's for non-free stuff
[08:16] <rancoras> myfology: yes, it's non-free stuff
[08:16] <rancoras> dammit
[08:16] <rancoras> heh
[08:16] <droogz> i have no idea what its telling me because im a noob
[08:16] <NiteRider> thanks everyone...catcha all soon
[08:16] <droogz> but that guy fixed the error with that 
[08:16] <sabmoc> nite
[08:16] <Poyayan> my partition is in reiser so when I load up it first tries to use ext3 and gives a VFS error is there any way to prevent that?
[08:17] <bob2> Poyayan: but then it mounts it fine?
[08:17] <Poyayan> yeah
[08:17] <rancoras> droogz: link me that....I wanna read it
[08:17] <Poyayan> just shows an error which doesn't mean anything but ...
[08:17] <droogz> http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1685
[08:18] <rancoras> thx
[08:18] <Poyayan> if you want the exact error then I can reboot and write it down
[08:19] <rancoras> droogz: you'll need the source to the fglrx driver, edit that file with what he tells you and recompile the driver
[08:20] <droogz> :/
[08:20] <rancoras> droogz: or first, do a search on your system for that file
[08:20] <bob2> you can't get the driver source, you can only get the wrapper source
[08:20] <droogz> can some 1 hook me up
[08:20] <rancoras> we can't do it for you
[08:20] <droogz> y not
[08:20] <dukeku> run sudo updatedb
[08:20] <dukeku> and then locate filename
[08:21] <rancoras> consider it a learning experience
[08:21] <droogz> a very bad 1
[08:21] <rancoras> it's only what you make of it
[08:21] <bob2> it's only a problem if you want to use the binary-only drivers
[08:21] <droogz> its a 2 year long bad experience
[08:22] <bob2> feel free to complain to ATI about their poor support
[08:22] <rancoras> and I can't do it for you because I run nvidia and fglrx might break my working 3D
[08:22] <rancoras> :P
[08:22] <droogz> well ill be back in 20 min or so im going to put in my geforce 4400
[08:23] <bob2> droogz: you can ask that the patch be added to the firegl paclages so you don't need to do it yourself
[08:23] <Poyayan> you know I get much faster frame rates when I don't remove the GLcore and dri lines from my XF86Config-4 file
[08:23] <rancoras> bob2: should that still go in the wiki?  without testing it?
[08:25] <Tenniru> I'm messed up again. I can't find the minimized windows!
[08:27] <rancoras> Tenniru: same process as before but add the task list this time
[08:27] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I'm a real newbie. I was using MacOS X a few hours ago.
[08:27] <rancoras> Tenniru: just outta curiosity why are u losing your panel applets?
[08:27] <Tenniru> Still do on my G4, but the old iBook is too slow to do anything but BSD or UNIX.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I have no idea.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I was changing themes...
[08:28] <droogz> ok now ill be back in 20
[08:28] <droogz> i spilt a pop
[08:28] <droogz> lol
[08:29] <Tenniru> Uh... by UNIX I meant Linux. OS X is just BSD with a few layers on it...
[08:29] <Tenniru> And too bloated for an old G3.
[08:30] <Tenniru> Uh... task manager. Can't find it.
[08:30] <bob2> how old a g3?
[08:30] <Tenniru> It was there! But I changed themes, and...
[08:31] <Tenniru> G3 500mhz, 192 mb RAM.
[08:31] <Tenniru> mid-2001 iBook.
[08:31] <bob2> Tenniru: right click on your pannel.  choose "add to panel". click "window list". click "add"
[08:31] <bob2> er, tons of people run os X on mid-2001 hardware...
[08:31] <Tenniru> Oh. I already did that.
[08:31] <Tenniru> Yeah, they do, but with more RAM.
[08:32] <Tenniru> Which I don't really have the money to pay for.
[08:32] <rancoras> bob2: you think that file firegl_public.c comes with the binary fglrx driver?
[08:32] <Tenniru> I already use the Window List.
[08:32] <Tenniru> I just remember, upon minimization, a windows-esque thing on a taskbar.
[08:33] <bob2> Tenniru: erm, so what is your question?
[08:33] <twitchgame> hmm. shouldn't ubuntu boot into gdm/gnome/etc ...?
[08:33] <Tenniru> How do I get that thing back.
[08:33] <bob2> rancoras: I'd assume so...nvidia ships a very thin source layer so their binary blobs can be used by more than a single kernel release.
[08:33] <rancoras> twitchgame: yes, it should
[08:33] <bob2> Tenniru: the window list?
[08:34] <Tenniru> I know, but a while back when I installed it I minimized and got a windows-esque taskbar thing. It's gone now.
[08:34] <Tenniru> I have to select it through the Window List menu.
[08:34] <twitchgame> rancoras: i just installed it and .. well .. it doesn't seem like any gnome stuff is installed at all.
[08:34] <duke|ib> yay for ppc
[08:34] <Tenniru> Indeed
[08:35] <bob2> Tenniru: that applet is called "window selector".
[08:35] <rancoras> twitchgame: what happens on bootup?  just a command line interface?
[08:35] <twitchgame> rancoras: yeah
[08:35] <Tenniru> 4 GPRs good! 14 GPRs better!
[08:35] <Tenniru> Window selector. Thanks.
[08:35] <bob2> "gpr"?
[08:35] <rancoras> twitchgame: any errors saying that X can't start?
[08:36] <twitchgame> X starts if i just do "X" .. there's no startx script...
[08:36] <Tenniru> Just some thing I heard referring to PPC.
[08:36] <bob2> twitchgame: yes there is.
[08:36] <twitchgame> not on my system
[08:36] <bob2> oh, gpr = general-purpose-register.
[08:36] <Tenniru> Quoting George Orwell and General Purpose Registers... yeah.
[08:36] <twitchgame> maybe i just need to run the install again
[08:38] <bob2> twitchgame: did you do a clean install?
[08:38] <twitchgame> bob2: yup
[08:38] <twitchgame> just ran it through with defaults
[08:38] <bob2> then I can't imagine how you don't have it...
[08:38] <bob2> does gdm start up?
[08:38] <twitchgame> bob2: no, just command line
[08:39] <twitchgame> i'll try reinstalling and pay more attention to it
[08:39] <bob2> um, that's very weird.
[08:40] <twitchgame> rather
[08:40] <twitchgame> k well ... lemme run this through again
[08:42] <rancoras> very odd
[08:44] <rancoras> I guess I need to play in the sandbox a while on the wiki....my entry looks like crap   heh
[08:48] <rancoras> ah heck, too much for my tired head....maybe later
[08:48] <burnboy> anyone have any experience with nfs?
[09:03] <intersidereal> hello
[09:04] <ficusplanet> hey.
[09:04] <intersidereal> This is the quietest IRC I've ever been in
[09:05] <ficusplanet> Yeah, #ubuntu is normally really active, but it seems everyone is off celebrating the new release this weekend or something.
[09:05] <Lathiat> heh
[09:05] <intersidereal> ah
[09:05] <Lathiat> Anyone know alinux program thatl take a bunch of images and lay them out nicely on a number of pages?
[09:06] <burnboy> yeah i'm celebrating by being SSHed into my box from work...at 2 A.M.
[09:06] <Lathiat> (its for print, so not like a webpage)
[09:06] <ficusplanet> gnome-photo-printer
[09:06] <Lathiat> im gonna get a big fat package from ubuntu with cds heh
[09:06] <intersidereal> well I just finished installing ubuntu
[09:06] <intersidereal> I'm digging it so far
[09:06] <cef> me, I'm eating toast and making a chocolate & honey milkshake
[09:07] <Lathiat> haha cef
[09:07] <burnboy> at the computer? what a feat
[09:07] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, It's in Universe, so it should be easy to install
[09:07] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: ah ok
[09:07] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: but i dont want it like pritned straight out, need it like to insert into a desktop publishing document
[09:07] <Lathiat> its basically photos of a class at school, need for the school yearbook
[09:08] <cef> Lathiat: I was tempted to order 5000 cd's.. but in the end I decided for less
[09:08] <ficusplanet> Ah, maybe you could use GNOME Photo Printer to print to postscript and work from there.
[09:08] <Lathiat> cef: im getting 100 x86, 20 ppc and 20 x86-64
[09:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: thatd work
[09:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: thanks
[09:08] <Lathiat> cef: think i should get more?
[09:08] <Lathiat> gonna give a pile out at our next lug meetings and stuff
[09:09] <cef> Lathiat: heh
[09:09] <hazmat> 20 ppc.. that would be interesting
[09:09] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Yeah, looking at GNOME Photo Printer now there are options to print to PDF or PostScript.
[09:09] <Lathiat> sweet
[09:09] <Lathiat> the next problem will be making it CMYK
[09:09] <cef> least I've figured out a way to get the dual opteron to install properly now.. *sigh*
[09:10] <Lathiat> cef: heh
[09:10] <Lathiat> cef: how many 'd you order?
[09:10] <cef> Lathiat: not enough.. about 150 I think
[09:12] <dasmi> Tomorrow I switch to Ubuntu.
[09:13] <cef> Lathiat: been thinking about t-shirts all day.. it's weird.. I've got all these ideas for ubuntu t-shirts floating around in my head
[09:13] <dasmi> Are there shirts yet/
[09:13] <dasmi> ?
[09:13] <cef> not afaik
[09:13] <Lathiat> cef: mm if you make up some logos ill press some 
[09:13] <dasmi> You know what, Blackened is a crappy client. I'll be right back with irssi
[09:13] <cef> something I think may need to be rectified
[09:13] <Lathiat> heh sdf.lonestar.org
[09:13] <Lathiat> havent seen that for a while
[09:14] <Lathiat> surprised it still exists
[09:14] <cef> Lathiat: using the usual ubuntu logo is easy enuff.. but stuff to go around it (text mainly).. all sorts of ideas floating in my head
[09:14] <cef> Lathiat: just committing some of them to a text editor *grin*
[09:14] <dasmi> better. much better.
[09:14] <dasmi> So, no shirts yet?
[09:15] <intersidereal> hey I was was curious if anyone could tell me how to set up a root password
[09:15] <intersidereal> I feel I missed somthing in the install
[09:15] <intersidereal> nevermind sorry I asked before looking around
[09:15] <intersidereal> thanks
[09:15] <dasmi> :)
[09:15] <cef> intersidereal: there is no root passowrd.. use 'sudo'
[09:16] <dasmi> I'm not convinced I like that yet.
[09:16] <Lathiat> i do
[09:16] <Lathiat> i love it
[09:16] <ficusplanet> I love it, too.  In combonation with GNOME keyring it means that I only have one password to remember in day-to-day use.
[09:16] <dasmi> Better be a secure password then.
[09:17] <Mr_Smiley> what is GNOME keyring?
[09:18] <Treenaks> Mr_Smiley: it's a program that remembers your passwords for you,and you only have to remember one password (the one that unlocks the keyring)
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok 
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> thanks
[09:18] <ficusplanet> Password management system built into GNOME.  So, for instace, when connecting to an FTP or SSH server with nautilus, I use my keyring password to unlock the share instead of remembering all the individual passwords.
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:20] <intersidereal> cef: thanks I figured it out
[09:20] <burnboy> ps...i've managed to skip using sudo altogether
[09:20] <burnboy> i su..not that it's disabled..but what are the benefits of sudo, really?
[09:21] <aj> you can give people limited root access
[09:21] <burnboy> eh..not really beneficial when it's a single user machine i guess
[09:22] <Lathiat> burnboy: theres a numebr of benefits, firstof you only have to type the root password in once every so often, second it reduces the vulerablility of someone remotely brute forcing passwords because they need to know your username and your password and get a shell to run sudo, among other things
[09:23] <Lathiat> its also used alot for just like gksudo <admin util> from the menus
[09:23] <burnboy> i dunno..it just seemed like an extra methodology that i'd have to learn :)
[09:24] <burnboy> i have root login disabled and only certain IPs can SSH in..i guess that's fairly secure
[09:25] <aj> burnboy: you can use it to give programs limited root access too, if you've sandboxed them. sandboxing can be good on a single user machine
[09:25] <l3eg0olas> how do I install ubuntu on a laptop with no CDROM and no floppy drive? Can I do a USB key boot??
[09:26] <Lathiat> burnboy: you can also let it only give you access to certain programs, like i have sudo set to not require a passwor dto run /usr/bin/hibernate to suspend my laptop
[09:26] <Lathiat> but needs a password for everything else
[09:28] <burnboy> see i think i may have screwed it up from the beginning..i didn't know anything about sudo and i was SU'ing in and i thought to myself "it never asked me to set a root password" so now i SUed using my user account password..got in and passwd'ed to a new one...would that screw things up or am i imagining?
[09:28] <Lathiat> burnboy: well you can set a root password and use that, thats fine
[09:28] <Lathiat> no idea how you did it without sudo tho
[09:29] <burnboy> heh
[09:29] <burnboy> maybe i should be worrie d:)
[09:29] <burnboy> yeah that was when the article first came out on Ubuntu..i installed the next day and i've had it since
[09:29] <bern> hey all
[09:29] <burnboy> article on slasdot that is
[09:30] <Lathiat> heh
[09:30] <Lathiat> hmm
[09:30] <burnboy> think it could have been a bug?
[09:30] <bern> anyone know of some good themes?
[09:31] <Lathiat> think im gonna hack up gnome-photo-printer to let you specify the sizes, heh
[09:31] <burnboy> themes for what?
[09:31] <l3eg0olas> Can I boot ubuntu thru a USB key?
[09:31] <Lathiat> l3eg0olas: Probably if you mess around and have a network to install off
[09:32] <intersidereal> bern: I like RelunaBluetiful With suede Icons
[09:32] <l3eg0olas> lathiat: how do u do that?
[09:33] <l3eg0olas> it is a 1GB USB, so I can have the whole ISO on it...
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: where's the best place to get themes for ubuntu
[09:33] <Lathiat> nah you need special usb boot magic, i dunno if ubuntu have distrubuted one
[09:33] <Lathiat> i dont think they do
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: what GUI does ubuntu use i know it's KDE
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: i forgot what it used
[09:33] <Lathiat> like i said, if you mess around..
[09:33] <chimaera> hi...
[09:33] <Lathiat> if you read up how to make a bootable usb disk
[09:33] <ficusplanet> bern, GNOME
[09:34] <Lathiat> or look on the ftp mirrors, there might be something there
[09:34] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: knwo of anything else like gnome-photo-printer?
[09:34] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: otherwise ill have to hack at it, cus i need to specify the photo size :)
[09:34] <intersidereal> bern: try gnomelook.org or gnome.art.org
[09:34] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Not really.  The F-Spot guys are getting a lot done recently though; maybe you could check out the F-Spot CVS.
[09:35] <Lathiat> hmm
[09:35] <Lathiat> is f-spot mono or C?
[09:35] <ficusplanet> mono
[09:35] <Lathiat> hehe col
[09:35] <Lathiat> *cool
[09:35] <Lathiat> any idea where the cvsroot is offhand?
[09:35] <Lathiat> gnome, freedesktop, sf?
[09:35] <ficusplanet> gnome
[09:35] <burnboy> kde-look.org
[09:44] <bern> any interesting programs i should play around with for ubuntu?
[09:44] <bern> now that i have it i want to play around with it but have nothing today since i got my wifi card working :P
[09:44] <Lathiat> haha
[09:44] <chimaera> the installer/hardeware detection stalls at 91% when loading sd-mod for my sata disk. i have a mixed system (1x sata / 1xpata). the controller is ich5
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, to get my cdrom detected properly (pata) i had to change my sata options in bios to enhanced mode
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> dunno if that helps
[09:47] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: it sould be set u properly for debian with 2.6.7 is running ;)
[09:47] <chimaera> u/up/
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[09:48] <bern> how do you make a directory in the command line?
[09:48] <Zindar> berm: mkdir blaha
[09:48] <bern> ty
[09:48] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: which install-kerner is warty using anyway?
[09:49] <chimaera> drrr those tiny subnotebokk keys are driving me nuts..
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, i guess its 2.6.8?
[09:51] <chimaera> mhh. my debian box is running 2.6.7-ck6. 
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> well i had trouble with debain and ubuntu installer not detecting my cdrom drive
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> but changing it to enhanced mode fixed it for me :S
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> dunno why
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> but it works
[09:52] <chimaera> atm, i'm running auto. anyhow, i check enhanced mode..
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> try it
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:55] <bern> anyone know where i can find the umicon theme and the gant icon set
[09:56] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: nope same as before (iirc, i had problems with enhanced mode anyway). what is your exact disk/cdrom setup?
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, damn :(
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> i have two pata cdroms
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> and a sata hdd
[09:57] <chimaera> i have 1x sta hdd @ sata1 / primary ide is empty / 2nd ide has 1x hdd as master and cdrom as slave
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> i have my cdroms in primary ide
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> and hdd is on sata
[09:58] <chimaera> i had quite some trouble to get the two hdds working together. that'S why i have the primary empty and disabled.
[09:58] <Mr_Smiley> yeah it is a strange combination ;)
[09:58] <bern> grr can't find the damn theme
[10:00] <chimaera> so i dig through the ubuntu installer options, maybe i can find something useful there..
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> yeah maybe
[10:00] <ashu> Where do i find live CD for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: cheers, ihacked up gnome-photo-printer :)
[10:01] <Lathiat> might submit a patch
[10:02] <bern> what's a good weather display-type program
[10:02] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Excellent.
[10:02] <Lathiat> bern: theres a toolbar applet for it
[10:02] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: for nwo i just changed the size on one of the presets, i might make a patch to make the gui a bit nicer and let you set the size and send it off :)
[10:02] <Lathiat> the programs surprisingly simple
[10:02] <Lathiat> needs some HIG love among other things
[10:04] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Yeah, I'm sure the maintainer would appreciate some help.  It could be a really handy little app.
[10:04] <bern> how do i restart X?
[10:04] <bern> without killing all programs
[10:04] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, any luck?
[10:06] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: yeh its really cute
[10:06] <Lathiat> hes done the hard work 
[10:06] <Lathiat> im at a battle
[10:06] <Lathiat> looking at getting a new laptop, pondering getting an iBook :)
[10:06] <bern> guess that's not how you do it :P
[10:06] <Lathiat> no power management in linux apparently
[10:07] <Lathiat> bern: You can't do that, btw
[10:07] <bern> ok thanks :P
[10:07] <Lathiat> bern: if you restart X it kills all its apps
[10:07] <Lathiat> if you want to keep a console ap prunning
[10:07] <Lathiat> you can use "screen"
[10:07] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, I've heard that just waking from sleep is not supported with iBooks
[10:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: yeh
[10:10] <polok> how does configure the locales package to add a locale to their computer?
[10:12] <kaput> Hrmm...Anybody having problems with the new PCMCIA deb? I had to downgrade to release 6 to get it working again.
[10:13] <Lathiat> polok: dpkg-reconfigure locale or something
[10:13] <Lathiat> polok: dpkg --get-selectiosn|grep -i locale, might find the package
[10:13] <linux_galore> isnt there a program that simulates the sleep/awake thing with laptops.. I know turbolinux has it
[10:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: "simulates"?
[10:13] <Lathiat> wouldnt be much good if it simulated it
[10:13] <Lathiat> you mean like software suspend?
[10:14] <Lathiat> which doesnt work on powerpc, works well on my x86 laptop tho :)
[10:14] <linux_galore> it stores an image of the ram on the hardisk and uses that to reboot
[10:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:14] <Lathiat> software suspend
[10:14] <Lathiat> not supported under pp
[10:14] <Lathiat> c
[10:14] <Lathiat> *ppc
[10:14] <Lathiat> (i.e. macs)
[10:14] <linux_galore> yeah but the program as I see it should work on any platform its just an image file
[10:15] <linux_galore> cant see why they cant take a snapshot of an iMACs running processes in the ram stack
[10:16] <Lathiat> linux_galore: umm
[10:16] <Lathiat> i could explain it
[10:16] <Lathiat> see each architecure works differently
[10:16] <Pizbit> 'cause it's damned hard?
[10:16] <Lathiat> so like blatting crap over ram etc
[10:16] <Lathiat> jumping aroudn instructions
[10:16] <Lathiat> its slightly different
[10:16] <Lathiat> so while it could work on PPC
[10:16] <Lathiat> it just doesnt, yet
[10:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: so the conecpts fine just needs porting with hardware variations but thats not done yet
[10:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:17] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ramis faster tho
[10:17] <Lathiat> be nice if it worked
[10:17] <linux_galore> yeah Apple laptops make great Linux machine
[10:18] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yeh well theres two issues
[10:18] <Lathiat> 1) the airport express isnt supported and 2) suspend-to-ram doesnt work
[10:18] <Lathiat> if those too worked itd be great
[10:18] <Lathiat> i can use a usb wifi to get around the wireless
[10:18] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ram is sucky, as software suspend doesnt work
[10:18] <Lathiat> benh was around at one point should have a chat to him
[10:18] <linux_galore> didnt someone just recently reverse engineer the airport
[10:18] <polok> Lathiat: thanks :)
[10:18] <Lathiat> linux_galore: err airport extreme
[10:18] <polok> I tried locale, it was locales
[10:18] <polok> :|
[10:18] <Lathiat> no express
[10:19] <Lathiat> is what i meant
[10:19] <Lathiat> polok: :)
[10:19] <Lathiat> i.e. the 802.11g wifi card in apple laptops
[10:20] <McManus> Am I supposed to install a new kernel the "proper" Debian way? (ala http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian)
[10:20] <Lathiat> McManus: its good to, the ubunut wiki has howtos for it
[10:20] <McManus> hrm, I seem to have missed them, then...  linkage?
[10:20] <linux_galore> hmm create a driver api layer for apple drivers heh heh
[10:20] <ctalkep> is daf back ?
[10:20] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh
[10:20] <McManus> (the FAQs are great, but i didn't see anything about kernels...)
[10:21] <Lathiat> McManus: its not in the faq stuff, its in the wiki
[10:21] <linux_galore> they did it for some Windows drivers
[10:21] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh yeh
[10:21] <linux_galore> easier often to hack the api than the driver
[10:21] <McManus> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelBuildpackageHowto  <== this?
[10:22] <Lathiat> McManus: yeh theres another related one too
[10:22] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: ok, i used expert and disabled all modules except those for my ide-comtroller..
[10:22] <smo> I'm sure I missed some details there .. does that mean I could expect wireless to work on a new ibook any time soonish ?
[10:22] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, and? :)
[10:22] <Lathiat> xmono
[10:22] <Lathiat> smo: no
[10:23] <Lathiat> smo: linux_galore is just blatting ideas around, which are great in theory but need to be implemented :)
[10:23] <McManus> yeah, I think I found it in the link...  thanks!
[10:23] <smo> gotcha
[10:23] <Lathiat> maybe i should become an elite kernel hacker
[10:23] <smo> If he feels like implementing any, I'm saving for an iBook atm ;o)
[10:23] <linux_galore> smo do what I do use a wrt45g-s wifi/router with my laptop
[10:24] <Lathiat> smo: ditto
[10:24] <Kamion> (the text-speak was making my BRAIN HURT)
[10:24] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: still working my way through the installer, but it seems ok. also noticed, that the kernel oopses when loading the usb-modules.. you know, i have i reason for not using anything > 2.6.7 on my debian box ;)
[10:24] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, hehe :)
[10:24] <Mr_Smiley> well good luck :P
[10:24] <Lathiat> chimaera: heh
[10:25] <linux_galore> cool thing about a Linksys wrt54g.. not only does it mean you dont have to worry about wifi with any system but it runs Linux and you can do some unreal firmware hacks
[10:25] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh yeh
[10:25] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, yeah i have one its awesome ;)
[10:26] <Lathiat> its cool
[10:26] <Tzigane> Hi guys =)
[10:26] <smo> linux_galore: I was actually looking at that earlier .. I'm looking for something with similar capabilities, that I can hook a "real disk" up to.  it's a shame none of their usb print-servers seem to easily hackable
[10:26] <Lathiat> we run frottle and quagga (bgp) on a few
[10:26] <Lathiat> frottle is a token-ring type thing for wlan, to eliminate hidden node issues
[10:26] <Lathiat> or well, make them managable
[10:26] <Tzigane> I'm using an Inspiron 8600... Has anyone else with this machine experienced immedate system crashes when closing the lid?
[10:26] <Lathiat> Tzigane: check out www.tuxmobil.org
[10:26] <Lathiat> probably an acpi bug
[10:27] <Lathiat> theres various acpi patches i se floating around
[10:27] <Tzigane> That's what I thought, but then I started with acpi=off
[10:27] <linux_galore> Mr_Smiley: I actually carry mine all over the place and I have a 12v batter pack.. I met a buddy on a train and we were swapping  loads of files on the move...he didnt have wifi so he could just plug straight in through one of the eth ports
[10:27] <Lathiat> linux_galore: haha thats evil
[10:27] <linux_galore> who needs p2p when you have a wrt54g with a battery pack heh heh
[10:28] <linux_galore> Ive given a few people images of ubuntu of my laptop via the router on the move
[10:30] <oik> Hi all - was wondering if anyone can cast some light on this error message: "Bad Header Line", when trying to apt-get install something?
[10:30] <linux_galore> Im getting wireless internet next so I should be able to setup a mobile wireless node on the move for meetings
[10:30] <oik> almost certainly due to the network going down during an install
[10:30] <oik> ...of something else, previously
[10:31] <linux_galore> oik: did you try  google.com/linux and enter that error
[10:31] <Lathiat> oik: try apt-get update first
[10:31] <oik> linux_galore: yup
[10:31] <oik> AFAICT there is something wrong with the headers...
[10:32] <Lathiat> oik: ...
[10:32] <oik> so I deleted them (/var/lib/apt/lists, right?)
[10:32] <oik> and then did apt-get update, and it got them all again
[10:32] <Lathiat> and then?
[10:32] <oik> but the error remains
[10:32] <Lathiat> umm
[10:33] <Lathiat> can you paste the context
[10:33] <Lathiat> to me in private
[10:33] <oik> sure
[10:33] <oik> how do I do that :-)
[10:33] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, hehehehehe
[10:33] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[10:33] <Lathiat> oik: like copy all the stuff aroudn it, and paste it to me in a private window (/query lathiaT)
[10:33] <linux_galore> oik: what were you apt getting
[10:34] <oik> hang on...
[10:35] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: ok, the trick is to never load ata-piix..
[10:36] <kaput> with ubuntu, my opengl performance is half that with every other distro i've used. anybody have any ideas? (i852)
[10:36] <oik> was installing mythtv from multiverse
[10:36] <oik> but the error is for libmyth and mysql-client
[10:37] <oik> but if I apt-get mysql-client by itself it seems to work
[10:37] <Lathiat> odd
[10:37] <Lathiat> do that then :)
[10:37] <linux_galore> yeah sounds like a script conflict maybe there is a version variation
[10:38] <linux_galore> hmm beer
[10:39] <linux_galore> someone told me there was a fus over images used with ubuntu being pornographic.. I looked for ages and didnt find anything on my image...now Im like "Ive been ripped off" were my pr0n images lol
[10:39] <Lathiat> mmmm beer
[10:39] <Lathiat> lol
[10:39] <kaput> lathiat: are there any known performance issues with xfree on ubuntu?
[10:40] <Lathiat> kaput: should be fine, unless you need some binary drivers like nvidia etc (which are included anyway)
[10:40] <oik> I think the so-called porn images are great
[10:40] <Lathiat> i dont
[10:40] <Lathiat> people go "wtf" everytime they see my screen
[10:40] <Pizbit> Change it then:L)
[10:41] <Lathiat> that requries effort
[10:41] <Lathiat> i changed my background
[10:41] <linux_galore> what porn images I didnt find any...and if those or pr0n sheesh you guys should see more billboards
[10:41] <Kamion> or, er, upgrade :-)
[10:41] <kaput> lathiat: nope. i'm running an intel i852gm on my toshiba notebook. i ran gentoo on it for about 18 months and decided to try ubuntu.
[10:41] <linux_galore> are*
[10:41] <Kamion> linux_galore: the discussion is basically over, because we made the images no longer default
[10:41] <kaput> lathiat: i love it, but opengl seems to be running at about 50%
[10:42] <linux_galore> Kamion: sounds like the americans have invaded
[10:42] <Lathiat> kaput: there could be a number of reasons, are you on battery? maybe your cpu frequency was scaled
[10:42] <Lathiat> Kamion: you did?
[10:42] <Kamion> linux_galore: not really, only a fraction of the negative opinions were from Americans.
[10:42] <Kamion> Lathiat: yes, for the final release
[10:42] <kaput> lathiat: hrmm...hadn't though about that. i hadn't done anything with it yet. what's ubuntu using? speedfreq?
[10:42] <Lathiat> dunno
[10:42] <Lathiat> look in /proc/acpi
[10:43] <Lathiat> mm
[10:43] <Lathiat> my laptops laggingggg
[10:43] <Lathiat> go the 266mhz
[10:44] <Lathiat> pure powaaaaaa
[10:44] <linux_galore> lol
[10:44] <linux_galore> feeel the Powah of a 486SX
[10:44] <Lathiat> :(
[10:44] <Lathiat> heh
[10:44] <Lathiat> i used to have a 486 up ill 2000
[10:44] <Lathiat> then got a 200mhz
[10:44] <Lathiat> got a 1.8ghz in 2001,2002 or something
[10:44] <Lathiat> then back down to 1ghz
[10:44] <linux_galore> I had a P1 133 till about 2 years ago
[10:44] <Lathiat> and now my 266 laptop, my desktops 1ghz
[10:44] <Lathiat> i never use my desktop tho
[10:45] <linux_galore> now Im a dial cpu man
[10:45] <Pizbit> Why's that?
[10:45] <linux_galore> dual*
[10:45] <Lathiat> whats what?
[10:45] <Lathiat> whys what, rather
[10:45] <Lathiat> Pizbit: 
[10:45] <kaput> lathiat: hrm. seems to have defaulted to 1200 mhz. (it's a 2200 p4.) it looks like ubuntu uses cpufreq. i'll try bumping it up.
[10:45] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Why use the slow laptop over the much faster desktop?
[10:45] <Lathiat> Pizbit: because im hardly ever at home
[10:45] <Pizbit> Ahh
[10:45] <Lathiat> and its more convenient to use my laptop when i am at home
[10:46] <Pizbit> Heh
[10:46] <Lathiat> cus its got all my stuff onit
[10:46] <linux_galore> Ive noticed laptop prices have crashed
[10:46] <Lathiat> getting a new laptop for christmas
[10:46] <Lathiat> not sure what to get yet
[10:46] <ajmitch_> my laptop seems a little underpowered for me to use all the time
[10:46] <linux_galore> what I would pay for a decent second hand unit two years ago I can now get a new laptop for
[10:46] <oik> all laptops seem underpowered to me
[10:47] <oik> even the fast ones
[10:47] <Pizbit> oik: I agree
[10:47] <Lathiat> well
[10:47] <ajmitch_> I might repartition it & put ubuntu on it some day
[10:47] <Lathiat> you can get 3ghz p4 laptops
[10:47] <Lathiat> burn your nuts off and last about half an hour on the battery tho i assume
[10:47] <Pizbit> My friend's, well, sure it's running windowsXP, but damn is it slow for 1ghz or whatever it is.
[10:47] <linux_galore> oik: AMD64 laptops from what Ive been told by the owners are damn fast
[10:47] <Pizbit> Sometimes it takes 5-10 seconds just to show the desktop:)
[10:47] <Lathiat> Pizbit: thats probably becuase its running winxp
[10:47] <Lathiat> yes
[10:47] <Lathiat> definately cus its runninga bloated XP
[10:47] <oik> Yeah, maybe next year...
[10:47] <Lathiat> my 266 running winxp shows the desktop in a blink
[10:47] <Pizbit> heh
[10:48] <oik> but it's the slow disk that makes all the difference
[10:48] <Lathiat> not that i have XP on it
[10:48] <ajmitch_> installing ubuntu on this old laptop can't be any slower than it is at the moment (in qemu)
[10:48] <Lathiat> but whenit did
[10:48] <kaput> hrmm. does someone know a good gtk userspace cpu throttling app. i think the gnome applet is just a monitor
[10:48] <Pizbit> His music *skips* :)
[10:48] <linux_galore> you can get a AMD64 laptop now for US$1,100
[10:48] <Lathiat> kaput: thought the gnome applet changed it
[10:48] <Lathiat> linux_galore: noticed that
[10:48] <cenerentola> just one thing does anyone knows what's the best acpi-thing for a toshiba satellite m30-154
[10:48] <Lathiat> AU$2000ish
[10:48] <linux_galore> Lathiat: yep
[10:48] <bern> man i'm having no luck finding/installing themes tonight
[10:48] <Lathiat> cenerentola: acpi thing?
[10:48] <cenerentola> linux_galore: where
[10:48] <Lathiat> bern: install gnome-themes-extras
[10:48] <Lathiat> bern: and industrial is a good theme, all the rest suck
[10:48] <cenerentola> lathiat: kernel module
[10:49] <kaput> lathiat. i'm thinking it's just a monitor, not for making frequency changes.
[10:49] <linux_galore> cenerentola: not from del for starters you just need to look in the PC parts magazines
[10:49] <Lathiat> kaput: have you tried it?
[10:49] <Lathiat> cenerentola: theres only one "acpi"
[10:49] <kaput> i looked at it earlier. i'll check again
[10:49] <Lathiat> theres various bits and peices of it tho
[10:49] <Lathiat> cenerentola: what are you trying to do?
[10:50] <cenerentola> lathiath:using fn-key under my toshiba
[10:50] <Lathiat> cenerentola: try www.tuxmobil.org
[10:50] <linux_galore> Ive seen about 4 different laptop brands around AU$2k
[10:50] <Lathiat> linux_galore: alot suck
[10:50] <Lathiat> the dell inspiron 510m seems nice
[10:50] <Lathiat> they seem to have withdrewn the 14" version tho
[10:50] <Lathiat> whcih sucks
[10:51] <oik> lathiat: That's what I have
[10:51] <oik> The CPU is very fast
[10:51] <Lathiat> oik: linux work well on it?
[10:51] <linux_galore> Lathiat: Del use cheap taiwan contractors no different than the cheap ones your knocking
[10:51] <oik> but the disk sucks
[10:51] <kaput> lathiat: *ahh.* ubuntu seems to default to dynamic frequencies.
[10:51] <oik> lathat: no idea - i use windows on it. My desktop runs linux
[10:51] <Lathiat> linux_galore: theres a big difference between the 1150 etc and the 510m, and everyone ive talked to says their good
[10:51] <Lathiat> oik: ah ok
[10:52] <oik> I didn't want to go through the pain...#
[10:52] <Lathiat> linux_galore: the 1150s etc are bricks and suck
[10:52] <Lathiat> but theyre cheap
[10:52] <Lathiat> 1300aud
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: apparently everything works on them
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: even the modem
[10:52] <oik> really?
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: only quirk is the external monitor port needs a userspace program to turn it on
[10:52] <oik> I might try dual booting then
[10:52] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I use a Taiwan no brand model for the last 17 months works fine no problems all the hardware works too
[10:52] <Lathiat> and only clones doesnt span
[10:52] <oik> lathiat: where did you find this info?
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: tuxmobil.org
[10:53] <Lathiat> said that sites name about 5 times this arvo :)
[10:53] <linux_galore> Lathiat: the suplier will even supply it minux windows
[10:53] <linux_galore> minus*
[10:53] <Lathiat> linux_galore: is it light, thin, centrino and cheap?
[10:53] <oik> I did think about dual booting, but this was a few months ago when all the problems with kernel 2.6 destroying the windows partition table was going on
[10:53] <Lathiat> and does all the hardware work in windows?
[10:53] <Lathiat> ergh
[10:53] <Lathiat> linux
[10:53] <cenerentola> lathiat: if i do "modprobe toshiba_acpi"
[10:53] <Lathiat> oik: haha
[10:54] <Lathiat> oik: i never heard about that stuff
[10:54] <Lathiat> never affected me
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: and it doesnt say anything... it's all right ?
[10:54] <linux_galore> Lathiat: no its a P4 1.8Ghz DVD/CD-RW combo 256mb ram 15" LCD
[10:54] <Lathiat> cenerentola: no idea, google.com/linux ....
[10:54] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yeh see i want a more mobile / battery life thing
[10:54] <Lathiat> but yeh
[10:54] <kaput> lathiat: sorry to keep bothering you. seems everybody wants your help. ;) when testing the card, even after the cpu jumps to full speed, i continue to get half the performance i was under other distros. just wondering if anybody had heard anything.
[10:54] <oik> Lathiat: I think it was fedora core 2 - destroyed existing windows partition table
[10:55] <bob2> paulproteus: but useless suspsned and wireless
[10:55] <linux_galore> I dont use the battery much 30 min is more than enough for me
[10:55] <Lathiat> kaput: no idea sorry
[10:55] <deFrysk> Re :)
[10:55] <paulproteus> bob2: Yeah, I know.  It's really the wireless that kills me.
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: do you run linux on your ibook?
[10:55] <bob2> Lathiat: of course.
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: ibook g?
[10:55] <linux_galore> although the laptop I use will work fine for 2 hours
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: *g4
[10:55] <bob2> paulproteus: yeah, my sucky little usb thing doesn't like most access points...including the one in my house :/
[10:55] <Lathiat> any issues other than suspend-to-ram and wireless?
[10:55] <bob2> Lathiat: yes.
[10:56] <kaput> lathiat: hehe...well, thanks anyway. i'll have to look around some more. 
[10:56] <Lathiat> bob2: care to detail, pondering buying one 
[10:56] <linux_galore> anyone tried running Linux on one of those ASUS 17" laptops
[10:56] <bob2> Lathiat: other than those two things it's good...
[10:56] <Lathiat> bob2: ah ok, hmm, any progress on either of those that you know of?
[10:57] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ram cant be too hard to fix if someone with the right know how hacks at it
[10:57] <Pizbit> Lathiat: And time:)
[10:57] <Lathiat> Pizbit: time?
[10:57] <bob2> Lathiat: it's impossible to fix until ATI documents the card properly
[10:57] <Pizbit> Yes, they need time to do the work
[10:57] <linux_galore> could alway put a bounty up for suspend-to-ram for iMac laptops
[10:57] <Lathiat> bob2: oh its the video card problem?
[10:57] <bob2> linux_galore: there's no point, the problem is missing docs
[10:58] <Lathiat> cant restore state on the video card or something?
[10:58] <Lathiat> bob2: stuff can be reverse engineered
[10:58] <bob2> can't power it down correctly, I think
[10:58] <Lathiat> ah
[10:58] <paulproteus> I'd be willing to put up money toward a bounty on wireless or suspend, too.
[10:58] <bob2> Lathiat: um, and what hardware have tyou reverse engineered?
[10:58] <Lathiat> i was pondering
[10:58] <bob2> it's very non-trivial
[10:58] <Lathiat> bob2: nothing youd care about, but i was sayign it can be done, not saying that it was easy
[10:58] <Pizbit> Hrm, methinks I'm gonna be waiting a while http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=copying-to-player-244MiB.png
[10:59] <bob2> the airport extreme has a linux driver for mips-only, it could be reverse engineered
[10:59] <Lathiat> whats that for, the wrt54g stuff?
[10:59] <bob2> yes.
[10:59] <linux_galore> bob2: I cant see Apple uses a one of chipset optioned for suspend_to_ram
[10:59] <Lathiat> bob2: binary only i assume?
[11:00] <Lathiat> linux_galore: The problem is, for the video card, we don't know how to instruct it to turn itself off.
[11:00] <Lathiat> as far as i understand it anyway
[11:00] <bob2> Lathiat: yes.
[11:00] <bob2> linux_galore: apple knows how to suspend it, we do not.
[11:00] <bob2> wireless and suspend work great udner mac os
[11:01] <linux_galore> Lathiat: if the card has a socked you can reverse engineer it with a logger
[11:01] <linux_galore> socket
[11:01] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yes but its very non trivial
[11:01] <Lathiat> there are probably easier ways than that on macosx
[11:01] <Lathiat> given the kernel is open source
[11:01] <Lathiat> you can probably sniff the pci in kernel or something
[11:01] <Lathiat> but still, its far from trivial
[11:01] <bob2> no it's not
[11:01] <Lathiat> bob2: what isnt?
[11:02] <linux_galore> Darwin kernel is open source bet Apple has made the driver binary only
[11:02] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i know that
[11:02] <bob2> Lathiat: apple didn't make the driver
[11:02] <Lathiat> but i was saying you could *probably* sniff stuff at the pci level in the kernel (assuming that part is open source)
[11:02] <bob2> linux_galore: ^
[11:02] <linux_galore> there are some excellent de-compilers now out 
[11:03] <Lathiat> heh
[11:03] <bob2> what is the point of that, anyway?
[11:03] <bob2> we have a linux driver for mips, reverse engineer that
[11:03] <Lathiat> dude, people who know alot more than any of us have looked at this i assure you :P
[11:03] <bob2> it'll be a bazillion times easier
[11:03] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:03] <Lathiat> it would be
[11:03] <Lathiat> tho for suspend-to-ram, not as
[11:03] <Lathiat> but wireless is the big killer
[11:03] <linux_galore> put it this way if it has a bus you can log what its sending
[11:04] <bob2> linux_galore: of course, but imagiune how hard it is to take ten megabits of data per second and figure out whate each bit does
[11:04] <Lathiat> i was trying to figure out how to say that, that works well :)
[11:05] <linux_galore> bob2: you can isolate the noise from what is actually the off signal process by just repeating the off cycle
[11:05] <bob2> linux_galore: have you done this before?
[11:05] <linux_galore> bob2: as in hacked IO channels  yes
[11:05] <bob2> Lathiat: benh said a couple of months ago that there was hope for suspend in the next six months
[11:05] <Lathiat> bob2: ooh funk
[11:05] <bob2> linux_galore: for a PCI device?
[11:05] <Lathiat> i met him at lca, seems like a cool guy
[11:06] <paulproteus> bob2: That's awesome to hear.
[11:06] <linux_galore> bob2: no I havent done PCI but Ive done far harder stuff than PCI
[11:06] <micampe> bob2, cool first time I come here and the first thing I read is something I wanted to know :)
[11:06] <bob2> hehe.
[11:06] <Lathiat> haha
[11:06] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ooc, what have you done?
[11:06] <Lathiat> soudns like youve done some interesting stuff?
[11:07] <bob2> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/10/msg00049.html
[11:07] <linux_galore> Lathiat: mainly communications between wires devices  ie PABX protocols for voice mail
[11:07] <linux_galore> wired*
[11:07] <jc-denton> how does ubuntu differ from debian (its not in the faq..)
[11:07] <Tzigane> jc-denton: More love =)
[11:08] <bob2> jc-denton: 6 month releases. sane default gnome-based desktop. people paid to work on it.
[11:08] <paulproteus> More like fewer people doing the loving, Tzigane ;)
[11:08] <jc-denton> no i mean technically
[11:08] <Tzigane> paulproteus: Good point =)
[11:08] <linux_galore> doesnt have KDE lol
[11:08] <Lathiat> jc-denton: well yes, it has newer versiosn of stuff
[11:08] <jc-denton> is it just an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or what exactly
[11:08] <Lathiat> linux_galore: it does just not by default
[11:09] <jc-denton> people are paid to work on it?
[11:09] <Lathiat> jc-denton: umm, you cant really do that (well, you can, but its a lot of messing around) - the base system is different
[11:09] <bob2> jc-denton: upgrading from Debian is not supported.
[11:09] <Lathiat> jc-denton: yes, a company is developing it
[11:09] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I had to install the QT stuff for Scribus
[11:09] <ctalkep> would anyone help me with a ntfs partition issue?
[11:10] <Lathiat> linux_galore: apt found it all for me :)
[11:10] <bob2> ctalkep: just ask your question.
[11:10] <ctalkep> now
[11:10] <Lathiat> linux_galore: hrmm if you us scribus, maybe you can tell em an easy way to take 200 photos and lay them out with the filename underneath for printing (so needs to goto CMYK etc, tho the conversion can be done later)
[11:10] <linux_galore> Lathiat: when is ubuntu going to drop XFree86
[11:10] <Lathiat> basically 200 people, and needs their name underneath
[11:11] <ctalkep> i ran the installer by default so it would not find my dvd. then i ran it with the noapis option
[11:11] <ctalkep> it did work this way
[11:11] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i beleive x.org will be used in the next release (hoary)
[11:11] <jc-denton> so its totally different then debian, exepted that it uses apt and the deb installer?
[11:11] <bob2> ctalkep: noapic?
[11:11] <paulproteus> linux_galore: Next release, right.
[11:11] <paulproteus> jc-denton: Not quite.
[11:11] <Lathiat> ctalkep: no, the installer is based on the debian sarge installer
[11:11] <jc-denton> is there a life cd so i can try that/
[11:11] <linux_galore> Lathiat: what ver of Scribus are you using the new versions handle images allot better
[11:11] <ctalkep> yet it does not see my win partitions
[11:11] <paulproteus> This is covered somewhere, 'cause I've read it.  Let me see...
[11:11] <bob2> jc-denton: no, it's based on sid from june, with gnome2.8 added.
[11:11] <Lathiat> jc-denton: there is a live cd
[11:11] <ctalkep> two of which are ntfs
[11:11] <jc-denton> ah
[11:11] <paulproteus> jc-denton: See #ubuntu-devel for most recent live CD URL.
[11:11] <bob2> ctalkep: "does not see"? the installer doesn't?
[11:11] <ctalkep> how do i fix that?
[11:11] <ctalkep> nope
[11:12] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I downloaded scribus and compiled it
[11:12] <bob2> ctalkep: are you talking about the installer or not?
[11:12] <jc-denton> so its as stable as sid?
[11:12] <ctalkep> the installedubuntu 
[11:12] <linux_galore> Lathiat: apt-get version was too old
[11:12] <ctalkep> the installermust have seen it 
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: yes, a company is releasing random crap
[11:12] <ctalkep> for it added the win boot partition to the grub
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: no, the point of it is that it's sid, stabilised every six months
[11:12] <cenerentola> if i want to make a launch-link on the desktop what kind of command should i use to launch.. say /usr/bin/lotfsex
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: it's intended to be as stable as debian stable but released far more often
[11:13] <ctalkep> yet now i cannot access them from ubuntu
[11:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah ok
[11:13] <bob2> ctalkep: so what is your problem? that you can't boot windows or that you can't mount windows drives?
[11:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: whats the cvs root for scribus
[11:13] <paulproteus> ctalkep: He can't, and wants to, mount.
[11:13] <ctalkep> i boot win just fine
[11:14] <linux_galore> Scribus 1.2 features new print previewer which has the ability to render CMYK separations on screen,
[11:14] <ctalkep> i just need to access my win partitions from inside ubuntu
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: so the problem is you can't mount them?
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: ok
[11:14] <ctalkep> yep
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: please  try to ask a whole question on one line, ti's very hard to follow it if you spread them over 5000
[11:14] <ctalkep> no fstab entry either
[11:14] <Pizbit> mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/place ?
[11:14] <ctalkep> ok, sorry
[11:14] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I just downloaded 1.2 from the home page
[11:14] <jc-denton> bob2, ah cool
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: does this work "mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt"?
[11:15] <jc-denton> i'll check out the live cd
[11:15] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah ok
[11:15] <linux_galore> Lathiat: difference between 1.2 and 1.x is chalk and cheese
[11:16] <ctalkep> it is actually sdb something. i have 2 sata drives, switched to enhanced mode 
[11:17] <bob2> ctalkep: ok.
[11:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: scribus now has a commercial news paper using there program
[11:17] <Lathiat> linux_galore: sorry whats chalk and cheese mean?
[11:17] <Lathiat> like they are very different?
[11:17] <Lathiat> lin	funky
[11:17] <Lathiat> linux_galore: funky
[11:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: like comparing  cats and dogs   goats and sheep   chalk and cheese
[11:17] <Lathiat> right
[11:17] <Lathiat> thought so
[11:18] <Lathiat> argh
[11:18] <Lathiat> *hugs :P
[11:18] <Lathiat> ugh slow laptop
[11:19] <linux_galore> took me about 20 min on a dual P3 933 to compile scribus
[11:19] <linux_galore> all the libs etc too
[11:20] <Lathiat> heh
[11:20] <Lathiat> i hate qt 
[11:20] <Lathiat> cus g++ is slow :)
[11:20] <Lathiat> if for no other reason :)
[11:21] <linux_galore> I went to the chemist a few weeks ago and saw the computer the chemist was running has a suse linux desktop... funny were Linux pops up at times
[11:22] <paulproteus> What country are you in, linux_galore?
[11:22] <Lathiat> heh cute
[11:22] <linux_galore> AwwwstrAAAlia
[11:22] <linux_galore> I love not far from jdub
[11:22] <linux_galore> live
[11:22] <paulproteus> Cool.
[11:23] <linux_galore> actually i will see jdub next week
[11:23] <paulproteus> Okay, off to bed for me now.
[11:23] <bob2> linux_galore: where you at debsig last month?
[11:23] <linux_galore> no 
[11:23] <bob2> ah, thought I might have met you
[11:24] <linux_galore> I should goto debsig though just Im busy when its on
[11:24] <bob2> ah, fair enough
[11:24] <Lathiat> linux_galore: you in sydney?
[11:24] <Lathiat> ahyou are
[11:24] <linux_galore> yep
[11:24] <Lathiat> im in perth
[11:24] <Lathiat> you been to any of the lcas?
[11:24] <Mr_Smiley> hey people from aus are here? :O
[11:24] <Lathiat> i was an organiser in 2003
[11:24] <Lathiat> went last year
[11:24] <Lathiat> Mr_Smiley: heh yes :)
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[11:25] <Lathiat> where you from?
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> i'm from adelaide :)
[11:25] <Lathiat> ah
[11:25] <Lathiat> i was there in january for lca2004
[11:25] <Lathiat> ran the ipv6 miniconf 
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[11:25] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I dont travel much Im a white coat in a lab guy 
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> i know a friend who went there
[11:26] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah
[11:26] <Lathiat> Mr_Smiley: who? 
[11:26] <Lathiat> might know who it is
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> James
[11:26] <Lathiat> is he <18?
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[11:26] <Lathiat> might be the james i know
[11:26] <linux_galore> ??
[11:26] <bob2> ozan: hi there!
[11:27] <linux_galore> I need to get of my ass and do more work with computer bank and travel a bit
[11:27] <Lathiat> heh computer bank
[11:27] <Lathiat> what kinda computers do you guys hand out
[11:27] <Lathiat> the similar org over here mostly has 133-200 stuff
[11:27] <Lathiat> trying to get all 200+ now
[11:27] <linux_galore> Computer Bank get old computers clean them test them and put linux on them and install them in poor communities
[11:28] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i know what it does, i meant what specs to they get over there
[11:28] <Lathiat> we get pretty shithouse crap over here
[11:28] <ozan> hi, i want to install mplayer and i found a howto in ubuntu's web page, that it says me to install it from "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main" i tried it but occoured error like "The following packages have unmet dependencies" bla bla... can i try and use the stable and testing of debian too?
[11:28] <ozan> hi bob2
[11:28] <linux_galore> Lathiat: PII PIII machines up to 600mhz
[11:28] <Lathiat> ozan: try testing
[11:28] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ooh thats good
[11:29] <Lathiat> we get all like ~200s or less :(
[11:29] <ozan> ok ty
[11:29] <linux_galore> Lathiat: computer bank are now selling complete systems to raise cash even have a 19" monitor if you want
[11:30] <linux_galore> Lathiat: only thing Im after is a second hand PIII laptop so i can do some lectures
[11:30] <Lathiat> ah
[11:31] <linux_galore> people keep asking me to do some Linux lectures
[11:31] <Lathiat> haha
[11:31] <linux_galore> but everything I have Linux on weighs a tonne
[11:31] <rwabel> lithiat: just a short question, why should one use the testing for mplayer?
[11:31] <Lathiat> im only 16 and ive already done about 6-8 talks at various lugs and conferencesheh
[11:32] <Lathiat> rwabel: just use what works
[11:32] <linux_galore> Lathiat: they want me to talk about gimp because one of my hobbies is recovering old damages pictures for people with gimp
[11:32] <rwabel> lathiat: aren't there problems when mixing testing with unstable?
[11:32] <Lathiat> linux_galore: cute
[11:32] <Lathiat> rwabel: not in this case
[11:33] <linux_galore> Lathiat: Ive got some really good examples too looks like some have been attacked by jack the slasher
[11:33] <rwabel> lathiat: sorry I'm kinda new, is that only the case for the ubuntu repository?
[11:33] <linux_galore> Im amazed how good gimp is at recovering images with a steady hand
[11:34] <linux_galore> hmm wonder is I have a before and after on hand
[11:34] <linux_galore> if*
[11:35] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yes, I remember your ipv6 talks at LCA this year
[11:36] <bob2> ozan: where were the instructions telling you to use unstable?
[11:36] <ozan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java
[11:38] <bob2> thanks
[11:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ahh you went to it? cool :)
[11:39] <rwabel> there is also a mplayer version in multiverse. which should one take?
[11:39] <Lathiat> no idea
[11:39] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I missed the python & ipv6 talk though
[11:39] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ahok
[11:39] <Lathiat> python and ipv6 talk was my better one
[11:39] <Lathiat> dunno why, felt more polished presenting it
[11:40] <Lathiat> considering i finished the slides just before i rocked up to it :p
[11:40] <ajmitch_> is it on the dvd?
[11:40] <Lathiat> the slides are
[11:40] <Lathiat> they didnt record the miniconfs *again* *grrrrrrrrrrrr*
[11:40] <Lathiat> and my video recordings got deleted
[11:40] <Lathiat> sdigh
[11:40] <Lathiat> sigh
[11:40] <ajmitch_> that's a shame
[11:41] <Lathiat> i dont think theres gona be an ipv6 miniconf next year
[11:41] <ozan> by the way, i installed from testing and now works.. 
[11:41] <Lathiat> the committee has expressed aprehensions since its not "linux related"
[11:41] <Lathiat> ozan: col
[11:41] <ajmitch_> too many other miniconfs competing for time?
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ^
[11:41] <mjr> hmm, Xnest seems to happily open up a default window of 3/4 of the virtual screen area, happily oblivious to Xinerama setups
[11:41] <Lathiat> mjr: heh
[11:41] <bob2> ozan: I've fixed that page
[11:42] <mjr> ...which is an issue for gdmflexiserver as well, as it goes for the default
[11:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: www.sixlabs.org/talks/
[11:42] <ozan> oh ok. thanks
[11:42] <Lathiat> ive got the slides there
[11:42] <Lathiat> along with the rest of my talks
[11:42] <bob2> Lathiat: is it linux-related?
[11:42] <Lathiat> bob2: it is, because most of my content has been related to linux and ipv6
[11:42] <ajmitch_> great
[11:43] <Lathiat> i explained it to the committee
[11:43] <Lathiat> their "getting back to me closer to the closing date" or something
[11:43] <ajmitch_> I don't know if I'll make it to canberra for the next one
[11:43] <Lathiat> also if its allowed i doubt ill get any funding
[11:43] <Lathiat> adelaide paid for me last year
[11:43] <Lathiat> but i might be able to afford to go this year
[11:44] <Lathiat> i submitted two papers to the actual conference
[11:44] <Lathiat> doubt theyll get through tho
[11:44] <ajmitch_> it falls a week before my uni break next year
[11:44] <Lathiat> heh
[11:44] <Lathiat> id skip the week of uni for it
[11:44] <ajmitch_> not when I'm working there as well as studying
[11:44] <Lathiat> finishing my last year of high schol this year
[11:45] <Lathiat> heh
[11:45] <Lathiat> i guess
[11:45] <ajmitch_> although it probably wouldn't be hard to get the week off
[11:46] <ajmitch_> you'll be at uni next year then?
[11:46] <stvn> hi
[11:47] <ajmitch_> hello
[11:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: hopefullly
[11:47] <cef> Lathiat, at uni? god help us all!
[11:48] <Lathiat> cef: heh
[11:57] <cenerentola> what's up if the cpp fails a sanity check during a .configure?
[11:58] <Pizbit> Depends what it is I guess?
[11:58] <bob2> cenerentola: install build-essential
[11:59] <cenerentola> and what should it do?
[11:59] <cenerentola> they're the gdesklets
[11:59] <mjr> there, bug report filed
[11:59] <bob2> cenerentola: install build-essential.  also, gdesklets is in universe.
[12:00] <cenerentola> bob2: yeah but they're quite old
[12:00] <cenerentola> ...
[12:00] <cenerentola> bob2: what build-essential does?
[12:01] <cenerentola> bob2: install build-essential doesnt work
[12:01] <cenerentola> bob2: it says too few arguments
[12:01] <bob2> cenerentola: do you know how to install packages in ubuntu?
[12:01] <michel_v> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:01] <michel_v> this has no reason not to work
[12:01] <cenerentola> ok...
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: what do you mean?
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: ive got sources
[12:02] <bob2> cenerentola: have you ever used linux before?
[12:02] <cenerentola> yes
[12:02] <stvn> cenerentola: the nice things abount ubuntu is that you don't need sources to install paclages
[12:02] <bob2> cenerentola: so you know what a package is?
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: yes
[12:03] <bob2> cenerentola: and how have you installed packages in ubuntu before?
[12:03] <cenerentola> synaptic or apt-get
[12:03] <cenerentola> well but i cant install a package that doesnt exist..
[12:03] <bob2> ok, use one of them to install the build-essential package
[12:03] <bob2> build-essential does exist.
[12:03] <cenerentola> i just thought that "install build-essentials" was a command
[12:03] <cenerentola> now i got it
[12:03] <cenerentola> SORRY
[12:04] <bob2> ok
[12:04] <cenerentola> biggest mistake ever made...
[12:04] <Lathiat> heh
[12:04] <stvn> cenerentola: nah that sudo rm -rf /
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: ahahaha
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: youre smart
[12:05] <Lathiat> stvn: haha
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: and funny
[12:06] <cenerentola> ok as apology you're all invited for a porcino mushroom-based dinner here in borgotaro
[12:06] <stvn> cenerentola: it wasn't me but a teacher at the uni explaining the risks about unix commands, he showed us rm -rf / and accidently hit the enter key ;) (though he was not root only his own data was lost
[12:06] <Pizbit> heh
[12:07] <Pizbit> Idiot:)
[12:07] <Lathiat> ahahaha
[12:07] <Pizbit> I once did rm -rf ~ while I still had two HDs mounted in it.
[12:07] <iz> :)
[12:07] <Pizbit> Hit ctrl+c but not before losing 15GB hehe
[12:07] <Lathiat> ive fone that before but
[12:07] <stvn> ouch
[12:08] <Lathiat> running into a proc file system
[12:08] <cenerentola> i did chmod -r ugoa=rwx
[12:08] <Lathiat> i was scared itd follow the symlinks
[12:08] <Lathiat> it didnt thank god :)
[12:08] <Pizbit> Lathiat: So you tacked on -i and had to hit y<enter> shitloads?:)
[12:08] <Lathiat> given /proc/$PID/root points to / ofen :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> Pizbit: heh
[12:09] <Pizbit> I had meant to rm -rf ~, just not while there were the hds in there.
[12:10] <cenerentola> checking for gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.0.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gobject-2.0  was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:10] <cenerentola> but ive installed gob2
[12:11] <Lathiat> cenerentola: install gnome-devel
[12:11] <cenerentola> thx... but how can you know that?
[12:11] <Lathiat> Because I know everything :)
[12:11] <cenerentola> other than that?
[12:12] <bob2> by not being a newbie
[12:12] <Lathiat> other than what?
[12:12] <bob2> you pick up things like that by using and watching other people
[12:12] <bob2> and now you know it, too
[12:12] <cenerentola> bob2: right
[12:12] <Lathiat> Pretty much I have a lot of experience with linux, debian, ubuntu etc -- from learnign from people, messing around, so ic an figure most thigns out...
[12:12] <Pizbit> You learn how to make educated guesses.
[12:12] <cenerentola> lathiat: how many yrs?
[12:12] <Lathiat> cenerentola: since march 2001
[12:12] <Lathiat> im nealry 17 now
[12:13] <cenerentola> arghh...
[12:13] <cenerentola> when i was 17 internet was just a mirage here
[12:13] <micampe> i can barely remember when I was nearly 17 :-p
[12:13] <Pizbit> Heh
[12:14] <Lathiat> heh
[12:14] <cenerentola> well in london last summer i spotted a kid that was "war walking" around...
[12:14] <Lathiat> heh
[12:14] <cenerentola> hed to be about 17
[12:14] <Lathiat> ive done that
[12:14] <Lathiat> did that at lca2004 as well 
[12:14] <Lathiat> scriptplugin.TPlo' \
[12:14] <Lathiat> depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \
[12:14] <Lathiat> /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=compile --tag=CXX g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../../scribus -I/usr/include/python2.3 -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT  -D_REENTRANT  -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new  -c -o scriptplugin.lo `test -f 'scriptplugin.cpp' || echo './'`scriptplugin.cpp
[12:14] <Lathiat> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../../scribus -I/usr/include/python2.3 -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -c scriptplugin.cpp -MT scriptplugin.lo -MF .deps/scriptplugin.TPlo -MD -MP  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/scriptplugin.o
[12:14] <Pizbit> Lathiat: WTF is with the spam?
[12:14] <Lathiat> ah
[12:14] <Lathiat> fuck
[12:14] <Lathiat> sorry
[12:15] <Lathiat> accidentally hit both my mouse buttons :P
[12:15] <Lathiat> fingers slid off the bottom of my touchpad :P
[12:15] <cenerentola> well i had no poss to have a notebook at that age
[12:15] <opi> morning Ubuntu follower :)
[12:15] <opi> +s
[12:16] <cenerentola> hail to you
[12:16] <Lathiat> http://lathiat.sixlabs.org/photos/lca2004/dsc01921.jpg
[12:16] <Lathiat> me warwalking :)
[12:17] <cenerentola> is that a toshiba?
[12:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:17] <Lathiat> p166
[12:17] <opi> I wish my Toshiba was able to run Ubuntu ;)
[12:17] <cenerentola> ive one
[12:17] <sjoerd> toshiba satallite from the looks of it
[12:17] <Lathiat> ran debian and xfce4 on that
[12:17] <Pizbit> Heh, old and chunky:)
[12:17] <Lathiat> sjoerd: satellite pro
[12:17] <Lathiat> theyre quite a nice laptop
[12:17] <Lathiat> small
[12:17] <Lathiat> fairly lightish
[12:17] <Lathiat> and cool
[12:17] <Lathiat> esp with the fan on
[12:17] <cenerentola> its sth like 220cs...
[12:17] <cenerentola> satellite
[12:17] <Lathiat> just, p166mhz :)
[12:17] <Lathiat> cenerentola: somethign like that
[12:17] <opi> Toshiba are my fav. laptops :)
[12:17] <Lathiat> i forget the model
[12:18] <Lathiat> i have a 266 gateway solo now
[12:18] <sjoerd> Lathiat: my old latop is a 320 CDT :) (same casing, 233mhz)
[12:18] <Lathiat> 192mbs ram helps
[12:18] <Lathiat> sjoerd: ahh mine was a CDT
[12:18] <cenerentola> and... what about the OS?
[12:18] <Lathiat> debian, xfce4
[12:18] <Lathiat> i run ubuntu+gnome2 on my p266
[12:18] <cenerentola> you CAN RUN IT?
[12:18] <Lathiat> yes
[12:18] <cenerentola> blaimee
[12:19] <Lathiat> it runs ubuntu fine
[12:19] <Lathiat> im using it right now
[12:19] <cenerentola> well mine has 16 mb 
[12:19] <Pizbit> Nuts
[12:19] <Lathiat> its not the fastest thing in the world but its perfectly usable
[12:19] <Lathiat> cenerentola: see the 192mb helps alot...
[12:19] <Pizbit> But yeah, the big thing is the ram really
[12:19] <cenerentola> well so you could read the model under the screen
[12:19] <Lathiat> cenerentola: dont have that anymore
[12:20] <Lathiat> like i said, got a gateway solo now
[12:20] <Lathiat> or you want the model of the gateway?
[12:20] <Lathiat> its 9200 or 2300 i forget which
[12:20] <Lathiat> ah
[12:20] <Lathiat> 9100
[12:21] <cenerentola> well.. do you know where can i find ram?
[12:25] <Bluewheel> any ppc users in here ? wanting to know if there is a version of java (ibm i think) that will work for java 2 and swing
[12:26] <Bluewheel> and any expirences in using it ? 
[12:27] <Lathiat> bob2 uses an ibook
[12:27] <Lathiat> cenerentola: for those things? ebay maybe?
[12:29] <ctalkep> hi
[12:29] <ctalkep> did daf return?
[12:30] <Lathiat> wel hes inthe channel havent seen him talking
[12:30] <ctalkep> ok, tahnks
[12:30] <cenerentola> ppl im pasting
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c: In function `init_ewmh':
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:796: error: syntax error before '*' token
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `PyObject' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `m' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `d' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:800: error: `SWIG_globals' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[2] : *** [ewmh_wrap.lo]  Error 1
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/cenerentola/downloads/gDesklets-0.30/utils'
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/cenerentola/downloads/gDesklets-0.30'
[12:30] <cenerentola> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[12:31] <Pizbit> Bloody hell
[12:31] <Pizbit> Someone put www.pastebin.com into the topic eh?:)
[12:31] <ctalkep> i managed to add my ntfs partitions to the fstab and they are mounted ok, but i can access them as root only? how do i fix that?
[12:33] <Lathiat> 
[12:33] <Lathiat> ctalkep: add uid=1000 to the options
[12:33] <Lathiat> Pizbit: heh
[12:33] <Lathiat> Pizbit: at least mine was an accident :P
[12:34] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Yeah, but there are others.
[12:34] <ctalkep> which options?
[12:35] <ctalkep> in the fstab or to the user?
[12:35] <Pizbit> Now we'll only be aflicted with those who don't read the topic heh
[12:36] <cenerentola> http://www.pastebin.com/112858
[12:36] <Lathiat> ctalkep: in fstab
[12:37] <ctalkep> ok, thanks
[12:37] <babFr> hi
[12:37] <babFr> salut
[12:38] <cenerentola> someone cal help 
[12:38] <cenerentola> ..can help
[12:39] <micampe> cenerentola, you probably need python-dev
[12:39] <micampe> ewmh_wrap.c:13:20: Python.h: No such file or directory 
[12:40] <babFr> I'ld install ubuntu 4.10 but i am a error
[12:40] <bob2> ElRaton: please turn that off
[12:40] <cenerentola> but why the configure didnt say anything
[12:40] <bob2> ctalkep: it's probably a lot easier to just email him...
[12:41] <babFr> the isntall stop when i test ACPI
[12:41] <Pizbit> babFr: Tried disableing it?
[12:41] <ctalkep> bob2, i did:)
[12:42] <babFr> umhmuh how to make? Pizbit 
[12:42] <ctalkep> Lathiat, says line ... is bad, that is where i added uid=100
[12:42] <Pizbit> babFr: On the boot line put in pci=noacpi
[12:42] <babFr> i have a newb's
[12:42] <ctalkep> uid=1000 i mean
[12:42] <Pizbit> ctalkep: Did you put it right besides the bit that says "defaults" or whatever?
[12:43] <babFr> oki thx i rebot for testing ;) Pizbit 
[12:43] <ctalkep> Pizbit, yes, it says ro, uid=1000
[12:43] <Pizbit> No space
[12:44] <ctalkep> Pizbit, tried with space, same thing
[12:44] <Pizbit> _no_ space
[12:44] <Pizbit> ro,uid=1000
[12:44] <ctalkep> Pizbit, tried both, same result
[12:45] <ctalkep> Pizbit, ups, working now
[12:45] <ctalkep> Pizbit, sorry for the bother
[12:46] <ctalkep> and how do i change the resolution of my console?
[12:49] <DavidGypsy> 8-)
[12:55] <cenerentola> but should i write "gksudo make" and "gksudo make install"
[12:56] <cenerentola> lathiat: ive made make install but i cant find the install directory
[01:02] <cenerentola> how can i make nautilus not to open a window everytime i change directory
[01:03] <rjek> How do you make Nautilus provide a treeview without having to run it by command line yourself?
[01:03] <Gmail> Treenaks: here?
[01:03] <Lathiat> cen	its under file manager preferences
[01:04] <Lathiat> cenerentola: 
[01:04] <cenerentola> what's exactly
[01:04] <cenerentola> the tag
[01:04] <Pizbit> What's the video source used for the screensavers?
[01:04] <Gmail> Treenaks: i am sorry for leaving that /exec -o command you told me to do for while i was away who wound know how much flood you got
[01:04] <cenerentola> lathiat: got it thanks
[01:05] <Gmail> ok guys gnome when starting just now gave me an error, something to do with my hostname and /etc/hosts
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: why did you manually edit /etc/hosts to begin with?
[01:06] <Gmail> bob2: i did as they told me here
[01:06] <Lathiat> what did they tell you to do
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: no you didn't
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: why did you edit it at all?
[01:06] <bob2> if you installed ubuntu, you don't need to touch it.
[01:07] <Gmail> they told me to change my /etc/hosts file and ADD the folling: localhost.localdomain
[01:07] <Gmail> and i did on the same line
[01:07] <bob2> *why*?
[01:07] <bob2> not what.
[01:08] <micampe> just curious, ar you a Canonical man, bob2?
[01:08] <micampe> are
[01:09] <Gmail> bob2: i installed using expert (because a package wound always crash the installer/my cd drive... in other word i burn to cd to fast and it croupted)
[01:09] <Pizbit> Yeaaa.. Installing off a bad cd, always worth some fun for the whole family.
[01:09] <bob2> Gmail: and expert didn't give you a /etc/hosts?
[01:09] <bob2> Gmail: are you sure the CD was burnt ok?
[01:09] <Gmail> bob2: i think it was Treenaks which was helping me to try and get gnome to start for the first time
[01:10] <Gmail> bob2: the cd md5sum is diffrent to the iso image
[01:10] <Pizbit> Gmail: Why didn't you just burn the cd again? It's not like they cost much
[01:10] <bob2> micampe: yes
[01:10] <bob2> Gmail: then that is a very serious problem.
[01:10] <bob2> Gmail: did you try burning it again and reinstalling?
[01:10] <Gmail> Pizbit: they cost $1 each (unless you get them off ebay) and it was the last one i have here
[01:11] <Pizbit> o_O?
[01:11] <Gmail> bob2: i dont have another cd
[01:11] <bob2> Gmail: blank cds do not cost $1 each
[01:11] <Pizbit> They're like <50cents here in NZ
[01:11] <Gmail> bob2: they do from the closest store open here
[01:11] <bob2> Gmail: dude, why didn't you mention this the other night?
[01:11] <Gmail> (the gas station) and they are 12x 650MB cds
[01:11] <bob2> installiong off a corrupt cd is guaranteed to not work.
[01:12] <Gmail> bob2: why? it is working now
[01:12] <bob2> Gmail: no it's not, your /etc/hosts is broken
[01:12] <Gmail> and bob2 that why i did a basic install and installed the rest off the internet
[01:12] <bob2> Gmail: is this the cd you installed off that gave you a gnome that wouldn't start?
[01:13] <Gmail> bob2: the cd wound crash my cd drive each time it wound get to a persific package
[01:14] <Gmail> that why i did a BASIC/minamem install and install the rest (besides irssi) off the internet
[01:14] <Terk> Men, I really like ubuntu! It's the first linux distro I instantly love!
[01:14] <Pizbit> Hehe
[01:14] <ctalkep> any idea how i get to set my tty resolution? it is like 640x480 now, and i would like it to be more like 1024x768?
[01:14] <Gmail> Terk: not everyone else here is male but THANK G-D I AM!
[01:15] <Gmail> ctalkep: grub or lilo?
[01:15] <ctalkep> grub
[01:15] <Lathiat> ctalkep: pass vga=318 to your kernel boot options for 1024x768 @ 24m colours, in grub add it to teh "nonaltoptions" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:15] <ajmitch_> Pizbit: you can get dvds for less than $1 now in places
[01:15] <Gmail> you want to add that to the faq
[01:15] <Lathiat> make sure you dont uncomment it like it says
[01:15] <Gmail> ajmitch_: off ebay you can get 50 dvds for $20 or so
[01:15] <ctalkep> Lathiat, how do i pass it to the kernel boot options?
[01:16] <Lathiat> if you want any other mode, you can read Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt in the kernel
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: 127.0.0.1       blerg.ertius.org        localhost       blerg
[01:16] <Lathiat> ctalkep: i told you :)
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: make your /etc/hosts look like that
[01:16] <ajmitch_> Gmail: I'm talking $NZ :)
[01:16] <ctalkep> oh, i thought those were 2 separate things to do:)
[01:16] <Gmail> bob2: i will /exec -o cat /etc/hosts for ya
[01:16] <Lathiat> :)\
[01:16] <Gmail> 127.0.0.1 ubuntu shimon.ubuntu
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: and in future, please, please, please mention critical things like "the cd I'm installing from is corrupt" when complaining about things not working.
[01:17] <Terk> Gmail: I wonder, because your name is gmail, who do I subscribe myself to gmail?? I'd really like to check it out
[01:17] <bob2> Gmail: no, I don't care what your hosts file looks like
[01:17] <Lathiat> dude
[01:17] <Lathiat> he told you want to do
[01:17] <Lathiat> just do it
[01:17] <bob2> Gmail: just make yours look like mine
[01:17] <Gmail> ok
[01:17] <Lathiat> he told you what to change it to, change it to that and your problem will go away
[01:17] <bob2> Terk: gmail isa kid, he has nothing to do with google.
[01:17] <Terk> ... bummer
[01:17] <Terk> anybody else some info :P
[01:17] <Gmail> i got some stuff to do with google
[01:18] <Lathiat> you use it to search? :P
[01:18] <Gmail> my uculs friends dogs old owner is the boss of google
[01:18] <Lathiat> Pizbit: count the sheep
[01:18] <Lathiat> sorry, bad joke :P
[01:18] <ajmitch_> Pizbit: a few, perhaps
[01:18] <Pizbit> Lathiat: What's the polite way to say FOAD?:)
[01:18] <Gmail> s/uculs/unculs
[01:18] <bob2> Pizbit: about a 5th as many as there are aussies ;-)
[01:18] <Lathiat> Pizbit: umm, FOAD? :)
[01:18] <bob2> "uncle"/
[01:18] <Pizbit> Lathiat: F Off And Die *grin*
[01:19] <Gmail> ok i fund a new i think blank cd
[01:19] <Lathiat> fuck off and die is the pilote way for all i care :)
[01:19] <bob2> Gmail: burn it at a lower speed and make sure you check the md5sum *immediately*
[01:19] <Gmail> ok
[01:19] <Terk> gmail: ((md5sum) that's something you must check with every download)
[01:20] <Gmail> how do i do a md5sum of a cd again i am VERY sleepy
[01:20] <Gmail> Terk: the iso image md5sum is correct
[01:20] <Lathiat> Terk: its just burnt to cd its not
[01:20] <Lathiat> Gmail: cat /dev/hdc | m5sum should do it
[01:20] <Terk> Wow... that was fast
[01:20] <Lathiat> i think
[01:20] <Terk> (gmail)
[01:20] <Lathiat> maybe dd if=/dev/hdc | md5sum
[01:20] <Gmail> ok
[01:21] <Gmail> Terk: i d/led it a few days ago
[01:21] <Terk> aha, ok :D
[01:21] <Gmail> i got 512/128 wireless fro exetel via the unwired network
[01:21] <Terk> Are there any dutch people??
[01:22] <Terk> (just wondering)
[01:22] <Pizbit> Nah
[01:22] <jvs> hey guys
[01:22] <Pizbit> They all died two years ago
[01:22] <bob2> Terk: I hear there's some of them in the netherlands ;-)
[01:22] <sjoerd> Terk: ja
[01:22] <jvs> just tried to install it on my notebook, a toshiba m30x
[01:22] <jayeola> hi guys. is there a deafult http server that comes with ubuntu?
[01:22] <Terk> (Sjoerd) uiteraard hollands
[01:22] <bob2> jayeola: apache2.
[01:22] <jvs> but I cannot get far, it stops when after detecting the cpu
[01:23] <jvs> *-when
[01:23] <jayeola> or daemon as i belive that these linux ppl call them?
[01:23] <Pizbit> Heh, ya know I once had this thing with a knoppix cd.
[01:23] <jayeola> thanks bob2 <looking for man page>
[01:23] <Pizbit> Every time I booted off it it'd say "Error, only one cpu found!" :)
[01:23] <jvs> hehe
[01:23] <Terk> (Sjoerd) Zijn er al nederlandse website mbt ubuntu??
[01:23] <Gmail> cdparanoia -scanbus doesnt work
[01:24] <jvs> nah, sometimes just the screen goes blank, but the system does not freeze
[01:24] <Gmail> it just give me the usage thing
[01:24] <jvs> since I can reboot using ctrl-alt-del
[01:24] <sjoerd> Terk: nederlands, not hollands
[01:24] <Lathiat> 8
[01:24] <Gmail> jvs: you restart x by ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:24] <sjoerd> Terk: geen id
[01:25] <Terk> Oops... sorry stupid mistake
[01:25] <Gmail> jvs: not ctrl+alt+del
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: thats a bad idea
[01:25] <jvs> x? x isnt even started
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: causes all your applications to lose their work
[01:25] <Gmail> Lathiat: what?
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: you should log out first
[01:25] <jvs> I cant even install it
[01:25] <jvs> it stops after detecting the cpu, booting from warty iso
[01:26] <jayeola> um, how come i can't seem t run the command 'updatedb' even as root?
[01:26] <Gmail> Lathiat: he said that he can restart by ctrl+alt+del and i correct howto reset
[01:26] <jayeola> can i paste the one-liner error message?
[01:26] <Terk> How can I burn an iso from gnome (so not from a terminal)??
[01:26] <bob2> jayeola: yes.
[01:26] <bob2> Gmail: are you running a 2.6 kernel at the moment?
[01:26] <jayeola> updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[01:26] <Lathiat> Gmail: ctrl+alt+del reboots your computer, thats what he was talking about
[01:26] <Gmail> bob2: yes
[01:26] <jvs> well, Ill get another machine and try again
[01:26] <jvs> bbl
[01:26] <Gmail> Lathiat: only in tty*
[01:27] <Gmail> Lathiat: not in console and he is talking about x
[01:27] <bob2> Terk: right-click on it in nautilus and select "Write to dicsc"
[01:27] <jayeola> so glad that ubuntu ships with irssi!!
[01:27] <bob2> Gmail: don't use scanbus then
[01:27] <Terk> Thanks! (That simple??)
[01:27] <bob2> jayeola: do you get that error if you run it again?
[01:27] <Gmail> why bob2 2.6 is auto?
[01:27] <jayeola> bob2: uh-huh
[01:28] <bob2> Gmail: no, say dev=/dev/hdc or whatever your disk is
[01:28] <bob2> er, drive, not disk
[01:28] <jayeola> bob2: treid sudo updatedb, and sudo su-; updatedb
[01:28] <Gmail> using cdp... or cdre...
[01:28] <bob2> jayeola: hm...if you "sudo touch /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db", does it run ok?
[01:28] <bob2> Gmail: cdrecord.
[01:28] <bob2> jayeola: does "locate" work right now?
[01:29] <jayeola> yeah, funny enough i've tried it now and it's ok
[01:29] <Gmail> jayeola: reinstall updatedb maybe because it even work from my courupted ubuntu (never burn at 40x)
[01:29] <bob2> jayeola: if it only happened once, then I'd assume it was a warning that it was creating that file.  you said it happened twice, tho, so I'm not sure what's up
[01:30] <Pizbit> Gmail: I used to burn at 40x all the time:) Get better quality cds;)
[01:30] <jayeola> bob2: touch /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db seemed to work, no error messages
[01:30] <bob2> jayeola: hm, that's odd.
[01:30] <jayeola> Gmail: i only burn speed=4
[01:30] <Pizbit> Now I'm not sure if my burner is working anymore since it wont burn anything under debian sarge/sid or ubuntu
[01:30] <ajmitch_> it's annoying when the only blank cds you have are 4x cdrws..
[01:30] <bob2> jayeola: I vaguely remember getting that warning the first time I used it, but not the later ones
[01:30] <Gmail> Pizbit: cd are SHIT and only support 42x
[01:30] <Pizbit> Pffft
[01:30] <Pizbit> Er, you mean yours?
[01:31] <jayeola> i know that speed=4 is s-l-o-w but it awlays works first time
[01:31] <jayeola> thanks guys, updatedb worked ok!
[01:31] <Pizbit> jayeola: Not thinking of dvds are ya? :)
[01:31] <Gmail> Pizbit: the cd i got are 42x my dad has 50 52x off ebay coming tomz for $10 including S&H
[01:31] <jayeola> so much linux, so little time
[01:31] <Lathiat> Pizbit: know he means cds
[01:32] <Elias> who is able to change my name on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[01:32] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Yeah, but there's always(er, usually) one smartass who pretends to think dvd:)
[01:32] <Gmail> bob2: what cdre... comand do i use?
[01:32] <Lathiat> heh
[01:32] <Gmail> or should i use open x with fail safe terminal?
[01:32] <jayeola> i don't really want a dvd burner right now. prolly wait till ipods are cheaper and buy one of those
[01:32] <Zindar> why ipod and not iriver...?
[01:33] <Zindar> iriver is better
[01:33] <bob2> Gmail: how did you burn the last CD?
[01:33] <bob2> Elias: you want to change your login name?
[01:33] <Gmail> a cdre... comand you gave me i think if not it was the helpful Treenaks 
[01:33] <jayeola> Zindar: can u mount iriver filesystem?
[01:33] <Elias> yes
[01:33] <Elias> from Elias Holzer to EliasHolzer ;)
[01:34] <Zindar> jayeola: yeah.. ubuntu does it automatically when it's plugged in
[01:34] <Zindar> :)
[01:34] <Gmail> bob2: can you add to the faq an howto change your console rez?
[01:34] <bob2> Elias: if you want a new one, just make a new account.
[01:34] <jayeola> Zindar: so can u put whatever files u like on te iriver?
[01:34] <bob2> Gmail: I don't know how to do that, I just use X.
[01:34] <Zindar> jayeola: yes.. it's a usb mass storage device.. put whatever you like on it
[01:34] <Elias> isn't it possible to change my name?
[01:34] <bob2> Gmail: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=4 warty.iso
[01:34] <jayeola> Elias: even movies and stuff?
[01:35] <bob2> Elias: I don't think so. you can ask on the ubuntu-users list, I guess.
[01:35] <Zindar> jayeola: and it can do ogg-files.. which rocks
[01:35] <Elias> ok, thx
[01:35] <bob2> Gmail: where /dev/hdc is the device file for your cd burner.
[01:35] <jayeola> Zindar: what are the advantages of ogg when compared to mp3?
[01:35] <Gmail> bob2: so many people ask the same question someone need to add it and i cant spell
[01:35] <jayeola> so glad that ubuntu ships with irssi!!
[01:35] <jayeola> ;/
[01:35] <Terk> Ogg is open source so better
[01:35] <jayeola> uh-huh
[01:35] <Zindar> jayeola: free, opensource,  better quality, smaller files
[01:36] <Lathiat> not so much open source as its "free"
[01:36] <michel_v> Ogg is also not a problem when it comes to patent issues
[01:36] <Lathiat> its also a better codec in genereal
[01:36] <jayeola> looking for man page of apache, ...
[01:36] <Gmail> bob2: what is speed 4? 4x 0_0?
[01:36] <Zindar> jayeola: only downside is shorter battery time on the iriver
[01:36] <michel_v> Ogg is NOT a codec
[01:36] <michel_v> it's a container
[01:36] <bob2> Gmail: yes, 4.
[01:36] <bob2> vorbis is the codec.
[01:36] <Zindar> alright.. ogg vorbis
[01:36] <Gmail> ok so i can change it to 28?
[01:36] <Terk> I remember a comparison between ogg and mp3.... if only i could remember the url....
[01:36] <bob2> Gmail: no
[01:36] <ctalkep> Lathiat, i must be stupid or smth, is it 'nonaltoption=vga=318' or what?
[01:37] <Lathiat> umm
[01:37] <bob2> Gmail: just do 4 or 8, please? apparently your burner has problemss, a lower speed makes it less likely you'll make another useless disk.
[01:37] <Zindar> Terk: if you find it, show me
[01:37] <Gmail> bob2: why my cd support 42X and my cd burner supports 52X
[01:37] <Terk> I will
[01:37] <Gmail> bob2: i have a CRAP cds
[01:37] <jayeola> ok, this weekend i'm trying out ubuntu. so far so good. need to write a new website from scratch. so where's the httpd/server?
[01:37] <Lathiat> Gmail: dude, its obvious there are problems with your burner as it buggered the cd up last time, so do it at a lower CD which means the odds of your CRAP cds being crap are less
[01:38] <Gmail> jayeola: apache
[01:38] <Lathiat> ctalkep: look in the file
[01:38] <Lathiat> ctalkep: about halfway down thee will be a line like
[01:38] <Lathiat> # nonaltoption=quiet splash....
[01:38] <Lathiat> add " vga=318" to the end of that
[01:38] <Lathiat> (without the "s)
[01:38] <Gmail> Lathiat: how long will a 4x cd take to burn?
[01:38] <Lathiat> Gmail: 20minutes i think
[01:38] <Gmail> more than 10min
[01:38] <bob2> Gmail: exactly, use 4 or 8.
[01:38] <ctalkep> Lathiat, thanks, will do so
[01:38] <bob2> jayeola: ubuntu doesn't run any network services by default
[01:38] <Lathiat> just wait 20 minutes for the sake of not wasting the cd
[01:38] <michel_v> Gmail: 75 minutes divided by 4
[01:38] <Gmail> or 12?
[01:39] <bob2> jayeola: if you want apache, install it.
[01:39] <michel_v> Gmail: in the case of a full disc, that is
[01:39] <Lathiat> Gmail: just use 8
[01:39] <bob2> Gmail: for fuck's sake, use 8.
[01:39] <Gmail> i know michel_v 
[01:39] <jayeola> thanks bob2 !
[01:39] <bob2> you've wasted dozens of person-hours in here
[01:39] <bob2> you can wait 15 minutes for a cd to burn
[01:39] <Gmail> ok ok ok ok ok ok ok
[01:39] <Gmail> no
[01:39] <bob2> yes, you can.
[01:39] <Lathiat> dude youve wasted like 15 minutes talking about what speed to do
[01:39] <michel_v> I guarantee you can
[01:39] <Lathiat> if you ahd of started it it would have been finished by now
[01:39] <Gmail> because for d-i to check my 20GB swap it take 30min
[01:39] <jayeola> Gmail: i always burn 4=speed
[01:39] <Lathiat> ctalkep: # nonaltoptions=quiet splash resume2=swap:/dev/hda5 vga=318
[01:40] <Lathiat> ctalkep: obviously you dont want the resume2 one, just add vga=318 to the end
[01:40] <Gmail> jayeola: your burner or cd only support 4x
[01:40] <jayeola> and i always use cdrecord, can check the media -before- u burn
[01:40] <Lathiat> Gmail: whats got absolutely nothing to do with cd burning (the swap stuff)
[01:40] <jayeola> Gmail: i now have a faster burner, but i'm used to 4, also it always works
[01:40] <ctalkep> Lathiat, 10x
[01:41] <Lathiat> ctalkep: hrm?
[01:41] <Terk> Zindar: If you google you can find A LOT of comparison related documents... and they all end with ogg being the greatest/best/nicest encoder.... So it's obvious I guess... :-D
[01:41] <bob2> jayeola: the "apache2" package sould pull in everything you need.
[01:41] <ctalkep> Lathiat, 10x=thanks:)
[01:41] <Lathiat> ctalkep: ahh, nps :)
[01:41] <Gmail> Lathiat: i want to goto sleep and dont have time
[01:41] <Lathiat> hope it works
[01:41] <Lathiat> Gmail: so do it tomorrow
[01:41] <Terk> Haha
[01:42] <jayeola> Gmail: cdrecord --scanbus; cdrecord dev=x,x,x --dummy /path/to/image/file
[01:42] <Gmail> ok i got an error in cdrecord
[01:42] <michel_v> hmm, quick question
[01:42] <michel_v> can I just install a minimal ubuntu and then proceed to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from a chroot?
[01:42] <Gmail> jayeola: bob2 said in 2.6 you dont do cdp... -scanbus
[01:42] <Gmail> jayeola: and when i did it, it did work
[01:42] <bob2> you don't, you give the ide device name.
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: yes.
[01:43] <Gmail> bob2: i did
[01:43] <Terk> michel_v: Just use Debian if that's what you want 
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: debootstrap should Just Work if you point it at an ubuntu mirrors.
[01:43] <ajmitch_> Gmail: not just because ide-scsi is deprecated, but also because cdparanoia isn't used to burn cds
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html
[01:43] <michel_v> Terk: why thanks for the unhelpful commentary
[01:43] <jayeola> quick poll: if u use a laptop, what's the size of your hdd?
[01:43] <jayeola> <--- 10gb
[01:43] <Lathiat> jayeola: 6GB
[01:43] <Lathiat> but its an old lapotp
[01:43] <ajmitch_> 40GB
[01:43] <Lathiat> ill be getting a 60GB in my new laptop
[01:43] <jayeola> mine too
[01:43] <ajmitch_> upgraded from 6
[01:44] <michel_v> Terk: I just wanted to not waste time waiting for ubuntu-desktop to install, while I could instead be using my current desktop to do other stuff
[01:44] <Terk> haha... Sorry wasn't very nice indeed... What I meant was... Why not use Debian instead? (So it's a question)
[01:44] <jayeola> ajmitch_: 40??!!???
[01:44] <bob2> 60GB in my ibook.
[01:44] <jayeola> hmm
[01:44] <ajmitch_> jayeola: yeah, I needed a bit of space
[01:44] <Gmail> my swap is only 20GB and that only 1% of my hdds
[01:44] <Lathiat> mm ibook *tosses up over getting an ibook*
[01:44] <Lathiat> the 12" is nice
[01:44] <Lathiat> wtf youd never use 20GB of swap
[01:44] <jayeola> i wonder if i should buy a new 40gb hdd for a lappy.....
[01:44] <Lathiat> and you ahve 2TB of storage gmail?
[01:44] <Gmail> i got one 160GB a 80GB and a 20GB
[01:44] <Terk> Max 1024*768 resolution (ibook)
[01:45] <jayeola> Gmail: liar! gtfoh
[01:45] <Gmail> plus a few hunred hdd on the network
[01:45] <jayeola> *sniffles*
[01:45] <jayeola> boohoooo
[01:45] <Lathiat> heh
[01:45] <bob2> Gmail: you really don't need 20GB of swap.
[01:45] <bob2> if you're in that deep, your system will be unusable.
[01:46] <Gmail> jayeola: the harddrive on my FTTB network will equl 2TB + 20 Gmail accounts
[01:46] <Gmail> bob2: i know but heh
[01:46] <Gmail> wtf should i do?
[01:46] <Lathiat> oh right you are using that crap
[01:46] <Gmail> i never used my swap before
[01:46] <Terk> 20 Gig of swap space is useless...
[01:46] <jayeola> well swap some space with me ;/
[01:47] <jayeola> heh
[01:47] <Gmail> i have 700MB of ram (stupid on board gfx)
[01:47] <cenerentola> hello
[01:47] <Keybuk> heh, the old "recommendation" was twice your memory
[01:47] <Gmail> hola cenerentola 
[01:47] <cenerentola> i've got another prob
[01:47] <jayeola> um, there ain't a man page for aapche2
[01:47] <Gmail> cenerentola: so do i but heh
[01:47] <bob2> jayeola: I have one for it
[01:47] <jayeola> hmm
[01:47] <bob2> cenerentola: just ask your question
[01:47] <jayeola> man -k apache = nothing
[01:48] <Lathiat> Anyone know in the gimp how to add to a region selection
[01:48] <Lathiat> using the continuis region selection
[01:48] <Gmail> jayeola: use apche2
[01:48] <cenerentola> it says "** (gnome-session:4790): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE auhority file..."
[01:48] <Gmail> jayeola: use apache2
[01:48] <bob2> cenerentola: what are you trying to do as root?
[01:48] <stvn> Lathiat: press ctlr or shift or alt, I always forget, but the pointer will show a + to indicate adding
[01:48] <bob2> jayeola: it's in the apache2-common package
[01:48] <cenerentola> ": /home/cenerentola/.ICEauthority
[01:48] <jayeola> Gmail: that's what i installed
[01:49] <Gmail> cenerentola: your lucky you can even open gnome i am stuck in the console or fialsafe console
[01:49] <cenerentola> no it's the log on screen
[01:49] <Gmail> jayeola: use man -k apache2
[01:49] <bob2> jayeola: install the apache2 package.
[01:49] <jayeola> <-- sudo apt-get install apache2
[01:49] <bob2> Gmail: that won't help.
[01:49] <jayeola> -->>  sudo apt-get install apache-common??
[01:49] <Gmail> or jayeola use man -k httpd
[01:49] <jayeola> aha
[01:50] <bob2> jayeola: what does "dpkg -l |grep '^ii.*apache2.*' | wc -l print out?
[01:50] <bob2> jayeola: no, all the apache2 packages Depend on it already
[01:50] <Gmail> jayeola: try all stupid mane that apache is called
[01:50] <jayeola> 3
[01:50] <cenerentola> hey pl help
[01:50] <Treenaks> cenerentola: remove that file and you can login again
[01:50] <jayeola> just three lines of something
[01:50] <Gmail> jayeola: apache need other file to work fully apt-get install apcahe
[01:51] <Treenaks> cenerentola: you started some X program as root, that's the problem (don't do that.. use sudo)
[01:51] <bob2> Gmail: please stop, you're just confusing the issue.
[01:51] <Gmail> ok
[01:51] <bob2> jayeola: you're sure "apt-get install apache2" worked fine?
[01:51] <Gmail> Treenaks: wb
[01:51] <Treenaks> more Dutch people! ;)
[01:51] <stvn> de sukkels ;)
[01:51] <Treenaks> stvn: nouja zeg
[01:52] <Gmail> Treenaks: sorry for leaving that /exec -o comand you told me to do in the pm and go away for a day
[01:52] <Gmail> Treenaks && stvn: #ubuntu-de
[01:52] <cenerentola> Treenaks: thx but tell me what command should i use to launch, say /usr/bin/streamtuner, from a launch-link
[01:52] <stvn> Treenaks: it's beautiful weather they should be outside instead of inside behind the computer :P
[01:52] <Treenaks> cenerentola: streamtuner? what's that?
[01:52] <stvn> Gmail: dutch, not german!!
[01:53] <ajmitch_> there, finally got wireless modules installed
[01:53] <jayeola> bob2: Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.50-12ubuntu4) 
[01:53] <Treenaks> stvn: beautiful weather? rain! ;)
[01:53] <Terk> Treenaks: i'm dutch
[01:53] <Gmail> de is dutch isnt it?????????
[01:53] <stvn> Treenaks: It stopped here now
[01:53] <sjoerd> Gmail: de is german, dutch is -nl
[01:53] <stvn> Gmail: nope, it's deutschland aka germany
[01:53] <Gmail> what ever
[01:53] <jayeola> i am looking in the apache2 dir now....
[01:54] <bob2> jayeola: dpkg -L aapache2-common |grep man
[01:54] <cenerentola> treenanks: i'll tell you later... so if not streamtuner /usr/bin/k3b: what command should i use?
[01:54] <Gmail> ok so back to the howto burn a iso to cd when having an error? or should i apt-get install k3b 
[01:54] <Terk> stvn, sjoerd, Treenaks, /me... dutch people... ! :-P
[01:54] <jayeola> bob2: Package `aapache2-common' is not installed
[01:55] <Gmail> forget the apt-get install k3b i have no bw left
[01:55] <jayeola> Gmail: man cdrecord. even -i- can do it
[01:55] <Gmail> *in peak time
[01:55] <Gmail> jayeola: i have the right command
[01:55] <cenerentola> treenaks: gksudo /usr/bin/k3b...is it allrught?
[01:55] <bob2> jayeola: apache2-common
[01:55] <jayeola> ty
[01:55] <bob2> Gmail: dude.
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: why do you keep ignoring the solutions people give you?
[01:56] <bob2> I gave you the EXACT command line to run 10 minutes ago.
[01:56] <bob2> and now you're still complaining about the exact same problem.
[01:56] <Gmail> it says: illegal write mode for this driver
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: and i used it
[01:56] <cenerentola> i dont remember
[01:56] <kent> Am I the only one having trouble changing the icon theme in Ubuntu? Nothing happens when i try to change to another theme. All i get is the Gnome default.
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: what does "uname -r" print out?
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: and it cdp... is using the wrong write modde
[01:57] <Gmail> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:57] <bob2> kent: have you upgraded since the last time you logged in?
[01:57] <jayeola> sorry bob2 - apache2-common is already the newest version
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: "cdp"?
[01:57] <Terk> kent: When installing a new icon package the best you can do is open up your icon dir and extract the package there (not from the theme gui)
[01:57] <bob2> jayeola: then you have the man page "apache2".
[01:57] <Gmail> cdpa...
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: "cdpa"?
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: I don't understand all the abberviations you use, can you just use normal english please?
[01:57] <Gmail> i dont know howto speel package name propply
[01:57] <stvn> bob2: I think he means cdparanoia
[01:57] <jayeola> result! thanks bob-eroony!
[01:58] <kent> bob, well, the problem is there even if i reboot. I upgraded some day ago, but the problem has been there ever since the first time i installed ubutuntu.
[01:58] <Gmail> cdparan....
[01:58] <Gmail> stvn: yes
[01:58] <ajmitch_> Gmail: cdparanoia is not a cd burning program
[01:58] <Treenaks> Gmail: just type the complete name?
[01:58] <kent> Terk, I haven't installed a new theme. Its the icon themes that comes with ubuntu.
[01:58] <Terk> ... ok ... weir
[01:58] <Terk> d
[01:58] <Gmail> Treenaks: i dont know hwotto speel it
[01:58] <bob2> Gmail: why are you using cdparanoia at all?
[01:59] <Gmail> i am using cdrecord
[01:59] <Treenaks> Gmail: so? apt-cache search for it, copy/paste it
[01:59] <Gmail> but i told you the error
[01:59] <bob2> kent: that is odd...you might like to ask on ubuntu-users so jdub can fix it ;-)
[01:59] <Treenaks> Gmail: then why do you say cdparanoia?
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: lsmod | grep ide-scsi
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: what does that print out?
[01:59] <Gmail> Treenaks: to hard to remeber the name
[01:59] <Gmail> can i /exec -o?
[01:59] <Terk> Strange thing is that yesterday I had the same problem with all theme settings but a simple X-restart solved the problem for me...
[01:59] <jdub> kent: killall gnome-settings-daemon
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: no
[02:00] <jayeola> Gmail: it might help if you joined #flood
[02:00] <Gmail> in pm?
[02:00] <jayeola> then you could paste as much as u liked
[02:00] <kent> jdub, Will do that in just a minute.
[02:00] <Gmail> jayeola: #flood is emty
[02:00] <bob2> Terk: yeah, there's a weird bug where theme changes don't work for upgraded packages until you log out aand back in again
[02:00] <Gmail> opps i was in #lod
[02:00] <bob2> Gmail: it will be one line of output
[02:00] <Gmail> opps i was in #flod
[02:00] <Terk> Bob2: Thanks for the info
[02:00] <jayeola> <keeps mought shut>
[02:00] <Terk> Indeed very weird
[02:00] <jayeola> -mouth-
[02:01] <Treenaks> what about http://rafb.net/paste/ ?
[02:01] <Gmail> bob2 i am /exec -o in #flood
[02:01] <Gmail> Treenaks: i am not using lynx
[02:01] <bob2> Gmail: it's about 15 characters of output
[02:01] <ajmitch_> aha, jdub is here
[02:01] <Gmail> or firefox in failsafe terminal
[02:01] <Treenaks> Gmail: I didn't tell you to
[02:01] <jayeola> <keeps mouth shut>
[02:02] <cenerentola> bob2: what's the difference between gksudo and sudo
[02:02] <Gmail> bob2: then why cant i /exec -o here it????
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: and PLEASE PLEASE type full sentences on one line
[02:02] <Lathiat> cenerentola: gksudo uses a gui to input the password, sudodoes it on the command line
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: don't break them halfway
[02:02] <Gmail> Treenaks: it an habit
[02:02] <kent> jdub, it kind of works now. The icons in nautilus changed. But shouldn't the icons in the menu also change? That is, the program and Computer menu on the panel?
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: break the habit :)
[02:03] <Gmail> i hitt enter ever now and then
[02:03] <Terk> kent: that depends on the icon set...
[02:03] <bob2> Gmail: just type it in
[02:03] <cenerentola> lathiat: thx... moreover why when i run gdeskelts... the process is alive but it doesnt show any welcome message
[02:03] <Gmail> and i think you of the rest of what i want to say after it said
[02:03] <jdub> kent: some of those won't change until you killall gnome-panel
[02:03] <Gmail> bob2: what??
[02:03] <bob2> Gmail: and as Treenaks says, it would be nice if you could use full sentences to make yourself easier to understand...it saves the whole back and forth thing
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: yeh read the gdesklets howto
[02:03] <Gmail> ok i am /exec -o here or #flood 
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: on the site
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: it doesnt have a gui to config it
[02:04] <Lathiat> or somethimg, i forget
[02:04] <Lathiat> i read the site, figured it out
[02:04] <cenerentola> ok.. thx
[02:04] <Lathiat> it doesnt actually open any windows
[02:04] <bob2> Gmail: #flood
[02:04] <jayeola> thanks bob2 , apache running smoothly!
[02:05] <bob2> jayeola: yay, cool
[02:05] <bob2> jayeola: what was the problem in the end?
[02:05] <jayeola> would it be a good idea for Gmail to open a log to record this help?
[02:05] <Terk> cenerentola: just use gdesklets #.display
[02:05] <cenerentola> thx...
[02:05] <jayeola> bob2: um, but thanks anyways
[02:06] <Gmail> bob2: i am doing it in #flood but nothing shows
[02:06] <bob2> Gmail: ok.  how about "lsmod | grep ide-cd"?
[02:06] <Seveas> Okay what goes wrong here: EVERY program on my ubuntu box hangs after a while, includeing evolution, mozilla, nautilus....
[02:06] <Gmail> ok irssi gave me an error
[02:06] <Terk> Seveas: Clean install ???
[02:06] <bob2> Seveas: "hangs"?
[02:06] <Gmail> saying termintated with return code 1
[02:07] <Seveas> hangs, as in: no response
[02:07] <Gmail> Seveas: hostname problem
[02:07] <Seveas> and yes, clean install
[02:07] <bob2> Gmail: just run both those commands in a terminal
[02:07] <bob2> Seveas: clean /home?
[02:07] <Gmail> ok
[02:07] <Lathiat> Seveas: has this happened before on any other distro or windows or anything?
[02:07] <Seveas> clean /home
[02:07] <Seveas> no Lathiat
[02:07] <Seveas> Gmail: what do you mean?
[02:07] <Lathiat> and youve had other things working, and its just now youveinstalled ubuntu thats happening?
[02:07] <Terk> Seveas: Any strange non-standard hardware??
[02:08] <Gmail> Seveas: it must likely a hostnames problem
[02:08] <bob2> Gmail: why do you think that?
[02:08] <Terk> gmail: Why??
[02:08] <Seveas> Lathiat: it was working fine on ubuntu, but since yesterday things hang: openoffice and nautilus dont even start
[02:08] <Gmail> Seveas: have you mess with any or the fulling commands: base-cofig or hostname ?
[02:08] <Seveas> Gmail i couldn't imagine why actually
[02:08] <Seveas> no Gmail
[02:09] <Gmail> Terk && bob2: I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON DIAL UP
[02:09] <Gmail> SHIIT
[02:09] <Gmail> i hate caps lock
[02:09] <Terk> gmail: OKE...
[02:09] <Seveas> anybodt an idea what went wrong?
[02:10] <Terk> Seveas: What was the last thing that you did before it "broke" 
[02:10] <Seveas> just working with it
[02:10] <bob2> Gmail: you had everything starting up great, then hanging after a couple of hours?
[02:10] <Seveas> mainly using a terminal to ssh to the university and reading mail in evolution
[02:11] <Seveas> and trying to get my wireless working
[02:11] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: btw trying to open your ipv6 & python presentation in OOo asks me for a password :)
[02:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: errr
[02:11] <Lathiat> umm
[02:11] <Lathiat> eek
[02:11] <Terk> And that works already now??
[02:11] <Lathiat> i recall someone mentioning that
[02:11] <Gmail> bob2: when i had dail up using manbrake each time i got disconnect x dies with in a few clicks
[02:11] <Seveas> wireless works
[02:11] <Terk> ok
[02:11] <Seveas> ndiswrapper + wpa_supplicant
[02:12] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: I'm guessing that the python stuff is just a thin wrapper around the C sockets api
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: more or less
[02:12] <Terk> You are using ubuntu now?? (because your chat program does not hang)
[02:12] <Seveas> Gmail: my x does not die, just some applications randomly hang
[02:12] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: alright, no need for me to read it then
[02:12] <Seveas> xterm does not die either
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: :)
[02:12] <Seveas> Terk: this is another machine, but the ubuntu box still is running
[02:12] <Gmail> Seveas: so you dont have manbrake
[02:12] <Gmail> so only some app die
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: it also covers doign things "the right way
[02:13] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: my work at uni consists of helping teach that stuff in the 400-level course :)
[02:13] <Seveas> manbrake?
[02:13] <Seveas> if you mean mandrake: no
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh cool
[02:13] <Gmail> in manbrake even there kernel wound die in a few min.
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: covers using getaddrinfo etc, not the dodgy ways 
[02:13] <Terk> You already run evolution (per example) from the command line with debugging?? (if that's possible)
[02:13] <jayeola> Gmail: remember opening a log to record the help that u get
[02:13] <ajmitch_> yep
[02:13] <Lathiat> my C talk does al that stuff to
[02:13] <Lathiat> and linux is braindead
[02:13] <Seveas> ubuntu is the first linux distro that actually would install on that machine (it's a laptop)
[02:13] <Lathiat> i really need to fix the resolution stuff in the kernel one da
[02:13] <ajmitch_> yeah, I just read through that one
[02:14] <Lathiat> y
[02:14] <Lathiat> getnameinfo etc work properly on bsds
[02:14] <ajmitch_> kernel, or glibc?
[02:14] <Gmail> Seveas: ubuntu doesnt make the mistake that manbrake does that why some app hang
[02:14] <Lathiat> on linux it gives you ipv4-in-ipv6 addys
[02:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: thats a good question, i *think* its the kernel
[02:14] <Lathiat> cus i beleive it wrked in usagi at one point
[02:14] <Gmail> btw Seveas are you using dial up? or a dynamic hostname?
[02:14] <Terk> Seveas: With that in mind (the first distro on your laptop) I do think it's a hardware problem
[02:14] <Seveas> but explain this then Gmail: why does openoggice *always* hang at its splash screen?
[02:14] <Gmail> or are you with aol?
[02:15] <ajmitch_> it wouldn't surprise me if it was the kernel, I know of other things where it doesn't do it right
[02:15] <Seveas> Gmail i have cable internet
[02:15] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: cus ::10.1.1.1.1 is fugly and it annoys me :)
[02:15] <Gmail> Seveas: dynamic hostname and/or ip
[02:15] <Seveas> Terk i do not think so since it did work fine
[02:15] <Seveas> Gmail: nat to 192.168.1.4, so essentialy static
[02:15] <Terk> that's true... I forgot...
[02:16] <Gmail> Seveas: so you use a proxy?
[02:16] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yep
[02:16] <Gmail> Seveas: or you hostname changes
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: bsd does it right, why cant we damnit :)
[02:16] <Seveas> Gmail: a router
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: it might be a glibc issue tho
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: il look into it post-exams
[02:16] <Seveas> so no real hostname for the machine
[02:16] <Lathiat> i hope its kernel, purely so i can get a kernel patch into mainstream :P
[02:16] <Seveas> just 'raptor' which i what i entered when installing
[02:16] <jayeola> routers rock
[02:17] <Gmail> Seveas: an router from aol?
[02:17] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I'm procrastinating for exams at the moment
[02:17] <Seveas> Gmail: router from cable internet
[02:17] <Seveas> i am not in the US :)
[02:17] <Gmail> anything from aol will kill your computer
[02:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh
[02:17] <jayeola> another poll: what text based browser do u like?
[02:17] <GeBo> lol
[02:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: im finishing high school this year, you uni or?
[02:17] <jayeola> <-- lynx
[02:17] <bob2> jayeola: links.
[02:17] <Gmail> Seveas: nor am i but we have "australia off line" here
[02:17] <ajmitch_> uni
[02:18] <Seveas> ah
[02:18] <bob2> I still don't why they chose such similar names for them
[02:18] <Gmail> LOL aol sell computer
[02:19] <Terk> Seveas: It could be an ACPI error...
[02:19] <Gmail> Terk: but if he was with aol IT *MUST* BE a problem coased by aol
[02:19] <Seveas> Terk: that is possible since acpi is not working correctly
[02:19] <jayeola> i didn't know that any linux users used aol
[02:19] <Seveas> but how can that affect openoffice or mozilla?
[02:19] <bob2> Gmail: please stop it
[02:20] <bob2> Gmail: you're not helping
[02:20] <Gmail> jayeola: /who *aol*
[02:20] <Lathiat> Gmail: dude im sorry, this needs to be said, you are a nuisance, your helping with thing syou have no idea about, your making nuisance comments and not following peoples advice when they try to help you, if your not goign to smarten up can you please leave because yoru annoying the rest of us.
[02:20] <jayeola> anyways Gmail get back to your problem. interested to see how it turns our
[02:20] <GeBo> Seveas: And what if you disable ACPI in your BIOS?
[02:21] <GeBo> I personally always disable ACPI, because it gives me too much errors too often
[02:21] <Gmail> jayeola: i was using aol for 30 min as a trail because i didnt have money to get dial up AND I *HATED* it
[02:21] <Terk> Seveas: Well, does the fan off your laptop spins constantly?? If not, it could be when running "heavy" programs the fan wants to spin and that might cause an errorr...
[02:21] <Terk> off = of
[02:22] <Seveas> fan does not spin constantly but often
[02:22] <Terk> Ok, so that works fine... 
[02:22] <Terk> You can start your box without ACPI...
[02:22] <jayeola> Gmail: get back to your problem....
[02:22] <GeBo> ;)
[02:22] <Seveas> o wait, it was aspi that worked fine but hotplug was not working, my mistake
[02:23] <Gmail> jayeola: ok
[02:23] <Terk> So a hotplug problem?
[02:23] <GeBo> aspi is for cd-roms...
[02:23] <Terk> acpi
[02:23] <Seveas> acpi i meant
[02:23] <Terk> ok
[02:23] <GeBo> ok
[02:23] <monteiro> i've compiled the kernel 2.6.9 from kernel.org and i wanted to install nvidia driver, the .run says that the kernel path is wrong :(
[02:23] <Seveas> hotplug modules are not loaded when booting
[02:24] <stvn> Seveas: that's not a problem, the shchp and the other one don't do any harm
[02:24] <Terk> Do you get an error message or they just wont load
[02:24] <Gmail> cdrecord: no write mode spesfide.
[02:24] <Gmail> but with correct speeling
[02:24] <Seveas> Terk: error message but according to the ubuntu mailinglist they van be ignored
[02:24] <Terk> Seveas: I assume you've already checked all logs??
[02:24] <LinuxJones> monteiro, did you add a "linux" link in /usr/src/ pointing to your kernel source ?
[02:24] <GeBo> monteiro: you mean kernel-source path
[02:24] <Seveas> yes Terk
[02:25] <Gmail> so should i add the tag/flag/... -iso? bob2 
[02:25] <Terk> Nothing weird there?
[02:25] <Seveas> for instance: openoffice.org hangs when exetuting getstyle-gnome
[02:25] <Seveas> no weirdness at all
[02:25] <Terk> Damn... strange strange strange problem
[02:25] <Seveas> indeed
[02:26] <Gmail> my driver doesnt support toa and it tried toa as i didnt spesfi
[02:26] <Lathiat> quite
[02:26] <GeBo> Seveas: maybe stupid suggestion... Can't you just reinstall?
[02:26] <Lathiat> Seveas: tried running memtest86/
[02:26] <Lathiat> tho i doubt its that
[02:26] <Terk> GeBo : LOL
[02:26] <Lathiat> given its programs stalling not the whole machine
[02:26] <Lathiat> but worth a check
[02:26] <Seveas> GeBo i do not want to
[02:27] <Seveas> Lathiat memory is ok
[02:27] <Seveas> by the way: windows on the same machine is working fine
[02:27] <Terk> Seveas:For how long did your PC run without problems??
[02:27] <stvn> Seveas: if a program stalls you still have controll of the box, eg switch to other programs?
[02:28] <Seveas> Terk: i don't know since i did not try openoffice since a few days
[02:28] <GeBo> Seveas: did I understand correctly that problems started after you implemented wireless?
[02:28] <Seveas> but all other programs (e.g. mozilla) worked fine until a few days ago
[02:28] <Seveas> stvn: yes, it is always a single program
[02:28] <Terk> It was one of the things he did last
[02:28] <Terk> (the wireless implementation)
[02:29] <Seveas> GeBo: yes, but it also happens with all interfaces ifdown'ed
[02:29] <Terk> ... 
[02:29] <GeBo> hmmm
[02:29] <stvn> ...
[02:29] <Terk> LOL
[02:29] <Terk> ok
[02:29] <Terk> keeps on getting weirder and weirder
[02:29] <Gmail> so in the cdrecord command can or should i add -iso to stop have the problem?
[02:29] <stvn> Seveas: do you have some kind of flexible cpu speed?
[02:29] <Seveas> stvn|: it is a P4 2ghz and i don't know if it can do that :)
[02:29] <stvn> it could be that the thread get upset at cpu-speed changes
[02:30] <Terk> hmmmm good point
[02:30] <GeBo> But then again, it did work until recently
[02:30] <Terk> I know there's a frequency applet available in gnome
[02:30] <Terk> GeBo: true
[02:30] <Gmail> is bob2 or jayeola here?
[02:30] <stvn> Seveas: did you install new kernel/modules?
[02:31] <Gmail> !seen bob2 
[02:31] <Seveas> stvn: no
[02:31] <stvn> Terk: yeah it indicated that I had a 1034GHz proc, so it's slightly b0rked ;)
[02:31] <stvn> hmm
[02:31] <Terk> or it's scaling
[02:31] <GeBo> Seveas: or an apt-get upgrade?
[02:31] <Gmail> hmm no dpkg here
[02:31] <Terk> your frequency
[02:31] <GeBo> (Or the synaptic equivalent
[02:31] <Seveas> GeBo: last apt-get update/upgrade was 2 days ago
[02:32] <GeBo> and problems started before?
[02:32] <Seveas> yes
[02:32] <Gmail> or a cheap scam edited version of winblows to show a 2GHz p4
[02:32] <GeBo> ok
[02:32] <Seveas> i actually hoped apt-get upgrade would solve them :)
[02:32] <GeBo> ;)
[02:32] <Terk> Stupid remark: Did you rebooted your PC withing all these days, or is it still running from the first start?
[02:32] <Gmail> Seveas: apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:33] <Seveas> Gmail: done that too
[02:33] <GeBo> gmail: good point
[02:33] <monteiro> LinuxJones : yes i've created a linux in /usr/src
[02:33] <Seveas> Terk: it is a laptop, so it is not always on :)
[02:33] <stvn> Seveas: centrino?
[02:33] <Terk> (mines always on)
[02:33] <Terk> 2 Ghz centrino?
[02:33] <Terk> I doubt it
[02:33] <monteiro> GeBo : yes i mean --kernel-source-path , i've tested that but nothing he compiles the kernel module
[02:33] <Gmail> so when bob2 comes back or jayeola someone pm me
[02:33] <Seveas> stvn, no normal P4
[02:33] <stvn> Terk: point
[02:33] <LinuxJones> monteiro, try installing the nvidia drivers again
[02:34] <Lathiat> i thought centirno only went up to 1.7 so far
[02:34] <Lathiat> ah
[02:34] <Gmail> Terk: no such thing
[02:34] <GeBo> monteiro: and you left the source on the disk?
[02:34] <Gmail> as a 2GHz centrino
[02:34] <Terk> gmail: i know...
[02:35] <Gmail> and i here there are no drivers for centrino from #linux but does it use the 686 protocol?
[02:35] <stvn> I do think it'll have variable cpu speeds, but I believe linux can cope, so tm ....
[02:35] <GeBo> monteiro: if so, there is a switch you can add (don't know exactly what the right syntax is...)
[02:35] <monteiro> Gebo : i see in the log that he compiles the module in temp directorues
[02:35] <stvn> hm dus
[02:35] <Gmail> Terk: there is actully a few that happen to come from a overclocking
[02:35] <monteiro> GeBo : switch (x) { case 1: instruction; } ?
[02:36] <Terk> Seveas: If don't know what's wrong.... sorry
[02:36] <GeBo> monteiro: sorry, don't understand...
[02:36] <stvn> Seveas: searched in google already? might be a kernel/thread thing
[02:36] <Terk> Seveas: Maybe you could try to contact one of the ubuntu developers??
[02:36] <treyh0> what packages do i need to be able to play an unencrypted dvd?
[02:37] <GeBo> monteiro: something like: run NVIDIA(bla bla bla) --kernel-source-path=...
[02:37] <Seveas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhh: i may have found it :)
[02:37] <stvn> treyh0: check the wiki on restricted formats
[02:37] <Terk> Please tell!
[02:37] <stvn> Seveas: what ?
[02:37] <Seveas> well, the reason for some at least
[02:37] <LinuxJones> treyh0, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:37] <Terk> ...
[02:37] <Seveas> interface lo is down....
[02:37] <treyh0> unencrypted dvd (not requiring dvdcss) is restricted?
[02:37] <monteiro> GeBo : ahhh, but that, i've already done, and compiles the kernel but ... then nothing
[02:37] <stvn> hehe
[02:37] <Seveas> and if i bring it up, things get to work again
[02:37] <Terk> ok...
[02:37] <Terk> haha
[02:37] <mjr> treyh0, patent stuff
[02:38] <Terk> sounds reasonable
[02:38] <LinuxJones> treyh0, sorry then you only need mpeg2 support
[02:38] <mjr> "non encrypted DVDs should play, however be aware that mpeg2 is somewhat patent encumbered and is not shipped on the CDs (though is in 'main')"
[02:38] <treyh0> ok
[02:38] <treyh0> cool
[02:38] <Terk> ubuntu is cool
[02:38] <stvn> it is
[02:38] <ajmitch_> Seveas: lots of things tend to break without lo :)
[02:38] <GeBo> mjr: I have the same 'problem'
[02:39] <GeBo> what package do I need?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> GeBo, install libmpeg2-4 
[02:39] <GeBo> thanks
[02:40] <stvn> ajmitch_: if they would just say no lo it would have saved us a lot of trouble ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> yes indeed
[02:40] <Seveas> but they simply hang...
[02:40] <Seveas> oh no..
[02:40] <Seveas> evolution hangs again..
[02:40] <Seveas> with lo up...
[02:40] <Terk> Well... then there's nothing to chat about either
[02:41] <Seveas> any other ideas..?
[02:41] <Terk> evolution hangs ??? wtf
[02:41] <Terk> Buy another laptop?
[02:41] <Terk> :-P
[02:41] <Seveas> hehe
[02:41] <stvn> Seveas: tries running it from a terminal to see if it produces any interesting warnings?
[02:42] <stvn> tried
[02:42] <GeBo> LinuxJones: Totem cannot play DVD
[02:43] <Terk> (stvn: you're from holland , do you know if there's a dutch ubuntu community website)
[02:43] <GeBo> even after install libmpeg4-2
[02:43] <Seveas> camel-warning: flags: unSYNC
[02:43] <Treenaks> Terk: where?
[02:43] <Terk> GeBo: it does when you install totem-xine
[02:43] <Treenaks> Terk: oh wait.. if :)
[02:43] <treyh0> gebo: have to install totem-xine, but then it's really slow
[02:43] <Seveas> it hangs when i view the certificates
[02:43] <Terk> and all wincodecs
[02:43] <stvn> Terk: haven't seen it yet
[02:43] <treyh0> even with DMA turned on
[02:43] <Terk> Treenaks: haha
[02:43] <stvn> Terk: but then again, didn't look for it either, i'm quite happy with english
[02:43] <Seveas> more exactly: when i try to IMPORT certificates...
[02:43] <Terk> stvn: bummer
[02:44] <LinuxJones> GeBo, I don't think totem is very good atm. Try installing mplayer or gxine
[02:44] <stvn> Terk: nothing stops you from starting one ;)
[02:44] <Seveas> and i get a Gtk-CRITICAL error
[02:44] <GeBo> Terk: I'm from Holland too
[02:44] <Seveas> damned stupid evo
[02:44] <Terk> terk: that was one of the reasons for asking
[02:44] <Seveas> GeBo me too
[02:44] <Terk> stvn: that was one of the reasons for asking
[02:44] <Terk> LOL
[02:45] <GeBo> LinuxJones: already installed xine-gui
[02:45] <Terk> So: stvn, GeBo, seveas, treenaks, me are all from holland!
[02:45] <Terk> Wow
[02:45] <ctalkep> Lathiat, vga=318 did not work....tried every possible way
[02:45] <LinuxJones> GeBo, install the win32 codecs 
[02:45] <Lathiat> ctalkep: hrm
[02:45] <Seveas> we should make a dutch community website, or a dutch ubuntu mailinglist :)
[02:45] <stvn> Terk: I think the ubuntu folk won't mind if you sugest to them that you want to start a dutch ubuntu site/community
[02:46] <Terk> Hehe yes, we should
[02:46] <GeBo> LinuxJones: in Xine I get the message: Error reading NAV packet
[02:46] <Lathiat> ctalkep: well thats supposed to be 1024x768@16M colors
[02:46] <ctalkep> when booting it only reports the other options, last of which is quiety splash, and that is
[02:46] <Terk> The problem is... i don't have much free time
[02:46] <Lathiat> ctalkep: oh sorry ou hjave to run update-grub as root
[02:46] <Lathiat> *you have
[02:46] <Lathiat> laggy connection sory
[02:47] <ctalkep> Lathiat, got that, will try it now
[02:47] <Lathiat> also try vga=0x318 if that doesnt work, but im pretty sure vga=318 works in grub
[02:47] <stvn> ubuntulinux.nl is free
[02:47] <GeBo> LinuxJones: I think I go and install mplayer, which I've always used in other distro's
[02:47] <Terk> I know, just checked :-P
[02:47] <stvn> Terk: me neither, just enough to help a bit here, but that's about it
[02:47] <stvn> hehe
[02:47] <jayeola> me too. i quite like mplayer and xmms
[02:47] <Seveas> stvn, Terk, GeBo, join #ubuntu-nl :)
[02:47] <GeBo> I also like Rhytmhox
[02:48] <GeBo> h=b
[02:48] <LinuxJones> GeBo, mplayer is very nice
[02:50] <ericsp> hello there
[02:50] <Gmail> hola
[02:50] <ericsp> anyone here to help me out with a few qusetions?
[02:51] <ctalkep> Lathiat, something went wrong, now it is a blank screen all the way to the graphical login
[02:52] <ctalkep> this is weird
[02:52] <Lathiat> ctalkep: haha hrm
[02:52] <Lathiat> ill paste the tabel to you in private
[02:52] <jayeola> heh just installed xmms
[02:53] <ericsp> I would like to synchronize my time with a time server. I think that this is going via ntp, which is installed according to synaptic. But when I try to use this option, it says that NTP support is not running. How can I enable synchronisation?
[02:54] <Terk> ericsp: I see some ntp syncing when booting so i guess ubuntu already syncs its time
[02:55] <__daniel> hai
[02:55] <ericsp> In my time/date settings, this option is not checked, and I cannot check it. So I guess on my system it is not turned on automatically.
[02:55] <Terk> hmmm... 
[02:56] <Terk> hmmm same over here
[02:57] <Terk> weird
[02:57] <ploum> Anyone know how to install IE with wine under Ubuntu ? (so I could avoid a dual boot )
[02:57] <treyh0> no mplayer on ppc for ubuntu though :/
[02:58] <ericsp> Terk, I am used to fedore, and in there you had a 'services' option, where you could start things like that. Does something like that exist in ubuntu?
[02:58] <ctalkep> Lathiat, 0x318 works:)
[02:58] <Lathiat> ahh
[02:58] <Lathiat> funk
[02:58] <Treenaks> canonical people: is there a need/way to register
[02:59] <Terk> ericsp: No, i haven't found it yet maybe someone else knows how to do it?
[02:59] <Keybuk> ericsp: on Ubuntu installed software is started
[02:59] <Treenaks> canonical people: is there a need/way to register a support channel for another language?
[02:59] <ctalkep> Lathiat, if you are not too sick of me already, may i ask another silly question?
[03:00] <ericsp> Keybuk, so ntp should be started automatically, if installed?
[03:00] <Lathiat> ctalkep: haha if you must
[03:00] <umarmung> ericsp, try running 'sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start' from a terminal
[03:01] <ericsp> umarmung, that synchronized my clock
[03:01] <ctalkep> Lathiat, how come everytime i login as a user/non-root/ my desktop resolution is 1024x768 although i have set it to be 1280x1024
[03:01] <Keybuk> ericsp: yes.
[03:01] <ctalkep> Lathiat, it is kind of stupid setting it all over again
[03:02] <Lathiat> ctalkep: so it works as root just not as non-root user?
[03:02] <ctalkep> Lathiat, yes
[03:02] <ericsp> so do I have to add this line to some file in order to perform this action every startup?
[03:02] <ctalkep> Lathiat, my root account remembers everything
[03:02] <Lathiat> ctalkep: thats *odd*
[03:03] <Lathiat> ctalkep: cus the resoloutions already set
[03:03] <Lathiat> when you login with gdm
[03:03] <ctalkep> Lathiat, oh 
[03:03] <Keybuk> ericsp: no, ntpdate to sync your clock is done at startup and ntp is started to keep your clock in sync
[03:04] <ctalkep> Lathiat, ok, but why i cannot set my window controls,  i mean the icons, you know, "back" "up" and stuff? again it is ok within the rot account, and here they just would not work
[03:05] <ericsp> keybuk, ok thanks, so the option in the Time and Date Settings is obsolate?
[03:05] <|jvs|> hey again
[03:05] <Lathiat> ctalkep: Not sure what your trying to get at sorry
[03:05] <|jvs|> how long should it take to install the extra packages from the 4.10 iso?
[03:06] <jacob> How do I list packages which are installed, but not availiable from any of the repos ?
[03:06] <jacob> In commandline that is. I know how to view them in aptitude
[03:06] <ctalkep> Lathiat, the file browser in gnome has this toolbar, icons and stuff, and it just will not show within the non-root account
[03:07] <ctalkep> as well as the desktop icons-i can't find where to turn them on
[03:08] <|jvs|> umm...it's not normal that it takes longer than 20 minutes to install the extra package, is it?
[03:08] <ericsp> ok, thanks for the answers
[03:12] <|jvs|> oh
[03:12] <|jvs|> freeze again
[03:12] <|jvs|> damn buggy installer *grr
[03:13] <Gmail> ok anyone know howto use cdrecord?
[03:14] <BlackFenix> |jvs| installer of ubuntu don't work ?
[03:14] <Gmail> i am getting the error my cd drive doesnt support toa and i want to change that write mode
[03:14] <Gmail> how do i?
[03:14] <|jvs|> it freezes all the time
[03:14] <|jvs|> now it does, when trying to install the extra packages
[03:14] <|jvs|> can I avoid this somehow?
[03:15] <Pizbit> Select the minimal install
[03:15] <Pizbit> Hit F2 I think when the cd first boots
[03:15] <|jvs|> hmm, truwe
[03:15] <|jvs|> didn't think of that
[03:16] <Gmail> no one know howto use cdrecord
[03:16] <Gmail> shess the world these days
[03:16] <Gmail> GNOME HALF LOADED
[03:16] <Gmail> YAY
[03:16] <|jvs|> thank you, Ill try
[03:16] <Gmail> YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY
[03:16] <Gmail> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
[03:17] <Pizbit> lol
[03:17] <ctalkep> how do i get my desktop to display icons?  like home, browser, etc?
[03:17] <Gmail> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
[03:17] <Treenaks> Gmail: please stop flooding
[03:18] <Gmail> but stupid old profile really stuffed the fscking panels
[03:18] <Lathiat> ctalkep: use gconf editor
[03:18] <Lathiat> ctalkep: /apps/nautilus, in there somewhere
[03:18] <Gmail> Treenaks: okay :(
[03:19] <|jvs|> ok
[03:19] <|jvs|> trying again
[03:19] <|jvs|> if it freezes again I'll go with the min. install
[03:21] <ctalkep> Lathiat, i tried that, but could not find such an option:(...guess i'm stupid /or it is just my kde background/
[03:21] <Treenaks> ctalkep: apps/nautilus/desktop ?
[03:21] <|jvs|> installing extra packages...
[03:22] <ctalkep> Treenaks, it would neve occur to me that nautilus has to do smth with the desktop..:(
[03:22] <Lathiat> ctalkep: its in there, ill find it for you in a tick
[03:22] <ctalkep> Lathiat, found it!
[03:22] <Treenaks> ctalkep: you could've done a search for "desktop"
[03:22] <ctalkep> Lathiat, with a "hint" from Treenaks:)
[03:23] <Lathiat> haha
[03:23] <ctalkep> Treenaks, search where? the files? I did "locate" but it gave so many results...
[03:24] <ctalkep> Treenaks, oh, there is a find option in the gconf...i am embarassed:(
[03:26] <jayeola> Gmail: wassup?
[03:27] <Gmail> jayeola: ok my burner doesnt seem to be able to use the writing mode toa
[03:27] <Gmail> i dont know if it cound before in 2.4
[03:27] <Gmail> gnome is also VERY slow
[03:28] <robertj> heya all, I've got a qeuestion
[03:28] <robertj> is unrar available in a deb?
[03:28] <Gmail> yes
[03:28] <toothpick> If only I could get thinkwave educator running with linux =(
[03:28] <Gmail> robertj: try apt-cache search unrar
[03:28] <cenerentola> lathiat: can you suggest a p2p client?
[03:29] <Gmail> and if you get no resolts get it from debian
[03:29] <cenerentola> all: i've got some modprobe probs at boot time
[03:29] <Lathiat> cenerentola: for file sharing?
[03:29] <Lathiat> no
[03:29] <robertj> Gmail: apt-get install unrar says its referenced but not available
[03:29] <cenerentola> lathiat: why?
[03:29] <Zindar> for unrar.. check the wiki
[03:29] <Zindar> it's in there
[03:29] <Gmail> cenerentola: skype? bit trorent
[03:29] <Zindar> it's in multicerse
[03:29] <Lathiat> cenerentola: because i done know or use any
[03:29] <Gmail> robertj: apt-get update
[03:29] <cenerentola> donkey?
[03:30] <jayeola> amule, bittorrent, on and on
[03:30] <Gmail> mldonkey
[03:30] <plagiats> hi everyone!
[03:30] <Gmail> bye plagiats 
[03:30] <toothpick> I know I'm just jumping in....but did you check your sources.list robertj ?  I think I needed to uncomment a global source to increase the amount of packages.
[03:31] <Gmail> gnome's panel is loading slowly
[03:31] <robertj> tootphick: universe is in there
[03:31] <robertj> and i did apt-get update
[03:31] <Gmail> delete profile and restart?
[03:31] <robertj> can you apt-get install unrar
[03:31] <Gmail> robertj: can you apt-get any thing?
[03:32] <plagiats> robertj : first you have to check this : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[03:32] <Gmail> you might have the same problem i had and had to delete sources.list and re add it then apt-get update
[03:32] <Zindar> multiverse.. not universe
[03:34] <toothpick> robertj: ok...
[03:34] <enki> hey can you install ubuntu from the livecd?
[03:34] <enki> ive looked everywhere on the thing and havent found much
[03:35] <cenerentola> all: why gdesklets doesnt run on startup
[03:35] <robertj> got it
[03:35] <robertj> why is unrar non-free
[03:35] <__daniel> enki, no, don't think so
[03:35] <Pizbit> cenerentola: Put it into the session saver/restorer thing
[03:35] <Gmail> hmm anyone know why gnome is slowly loading? it is a brake throu
[03:36] <ajame> robertj, it is free 
[03:36] <robertj> so why is in multi instead of uni?
[03:37] <plagiats> cause unrar is not free as in freedom
[03:37] <Lathiat> robertj: theres two, uni is main from debian, multi is non-free/contrib
[03:37] <plagiats> it is free as free beer for personnal use
[03:37] <cenerentola> and if i got problems with modprobe at boot-time... like hw_random where can i deselect them?
[03:37] <mjr> I do believe there are free and non-free versions of unrar, the free one not being able to open all new rar packages
[03:37] <Zindar> cenerentola: /etc/hotplug/ something
[03:37] <plagiats> cenerentola, I got the same problem.
[03:37] <cenerentola> thx
[03:37] <toothpick> In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>).  The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files.  If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.
[03:37] <bas> mjr, i actually had problems with the free version and new rar files
[03:38] <jayeola> has anyone got kismet working yet?
[03:38] <plagiats> what's kismet?
[03:38] <toothpick> kismet sounds like an MTG car
[03:38] <jayeola> wireless 
[03:38] <bas> jayeola, works for me, but its very card dependent
[03:38] <SmokesWater> I need to install Windows on the same hard drive as Ubuntu is (no problem with partitions) but how do I after installing windows restore grub?
[03:38] <plagiats> jayeola, I got no wifi card
[03:39] <bas> jayeola, what card do you own?
[03:39] <jayeola> bas: orinoco, maad wifi, hostap,cisco
[03:39] <plagiats> SmokesWater, sounds easier to install MSWindows first and then add Ubuntu
[03:39] <cenerentola> plagiats: what have you done for it?
[03:39] <jayeola> my card has prism2 chipset with hostapp driver
[03:40] <plagiats> cenerentola, for now, nothing :D
[03:40] <cenerentola> hw_random isnt it for the intel RNG
[03:40] <ajame> SmokesWater, reinstall grub
[03:40] <bas> jayeola, works with my madwifi, orinoco cards
[03:40] <ajame> SmokesWater, add a entry for windows
[03:40] <SmokesWater> plagiats: I know but its to late for it, for may reasons as first windows wouldn't install (run after formating and copying files). I had no idea why it was that way. 
[03:40] <jayeola> hmm, for /etc/kismet.conf, what source do u have?
[03:40] <jayeola> bib
[03:41] <jayeola> bas ^
[03:41] <SmokesWater> plagiats: So now I remember that I changed my mouse from ps/2 to usb. So I want to give it another try but if it fails, I don't want to do another ubuntu isntall.
[03:41] <bas> jayeola, one moment, i have to boot my laptop for that :)
[03:41] <jayeola> appreciated bas !
[03:41] <SmokesWater> ajame: How do you reinstall grub?
[03:42] <Gmail> Treenaks: wound a broken cd couse gnome to load slowly?
[03:42] <bas> SmokesWater, man apt-get
[03:42] <Gmail> or wound it be a /etc/host problem?
[03:42] <|jvs|> ok
[03:42] <|jvs|> using expert mode now
[03:42] <|jvs|> min. install didnt work
[03:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: hosts, probably.. check resolv.conf as well
[03:43] <Gmail> bas: send them to the manule on debian.org it seem to be a bit more up to date
[03:43] <Gmail> ok
[03:43] <ajame> SmokesWater, install-grub
[03:43] <Gmail> yea my nameservers are corect
[03:43] <Gmail> GNOME FULLY LOADED
[03:44] <Gmail> woooooooooooooooooooooooooooot!
[03:44] <bas> jayeola, where does it go wrong for you? have you correctly set suiduser? make sure you are using madwifi_ab as source if you want to use madwifi (still the best card imho)
[03:44] <plagiats> Gmail, so you're happy right?
[03:44] <Pizbit> Great, now you wander off and configure it to your liking.
[03:44] <jayeola> i'll put a cap in your ass Gmail 
[03:44] <jayeola> ;/
[03:44] <Pizbit> Argh, where are all the evolution stuff in ~ ?
[03:45] <Keybuk> .evolution
[03:46] <Pizbit> Nah, there's more of it elsewhere, I want to start off as if I'd never run it
[03:46] <Gmail> crap it really slow
[03:47] <Shivalium> lo
[03:47] <bert__> how can I install Java JDK on Ubuntu?
[03:47] <Gmail> wait i enabled it and no longer get that error (i think)
[03:47] <umarmung> Pizbit, there's also some stuff in gconf
[03:48] <Shivalium> i got a prob getting my volume control working
[03:48] <umarmung> Pizbit, 'gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/evolution' should take care of those parts
[03:48] <Pizbit> Ah, thanks
[03:48] <Shivalium> is that common?
[03:48] <Pizbit> Slow machine?
[03:49] <Gmail> crap it slower than when i first used my computer (the cpu had some setting wrong)
[03:49] <jayeola> bas my card has prism2 chipset with hostapp driver
[03:49] <jayeola> huraaaaaay
[03:51] <cenerentola> i forgot the mount command umask=000
[03:51] <cenerentola> how should i implement it
[03:52] <stvn> cenerentola: you mean sudo mount -o umask=000 /device /destination ?
[03:52] <cenerentola> stvn: tjx
[03:52] <cenerentola> ..thx
[03:53] <monteiro> how i change the permissions, for users can burn cds in k3b ?
[03:53] <Pizbit> Hum
[03:54] <Pizbit> Evolution hates me
[03:54] <Gmail> i just right clicked
[03:54] <jvs2> ok
[03:55] <jvs2> my trip to the ubuntu world was short but frustrating
[03:55] <jvs2> back to gentoo then
[03:55] <Gmail> is that disevent of the punishment of crashing?
[03:55] <jvs2> probably more luck with the next release :)
[03:55] <Gmail> jvs2: my is more because of a croupted cd :(
[03:55] <Lathiat> jvs2: Whats your problem?
[03:55] <Pizbit> *blinks*
[03:56] <Lathiat> Gmail: dude if you have a corrupted CD of course your going to have problems, you could have burnt a new cd and reinstalled 3 times by now
[03:56] <Gmail> jvs2: gentoo is wert
[03:56] <Pizbit> I managed to get evolution to send an email!
[03:56] <Lathiat> Pizbit: lol it works fine for me :P
[03:56] <Pizbit> The product of about 10 hours hard slog, well, ok, maybe only 1
[03:56] <jvs2> the installer freezes here and there
[03:56] <Gmail> Lathiat: not if not help me with the problem i am having with burning the cd
[03:56] <HomoAcridien> hello
[03:56] <Pizbit> Now to get it to look an IMAP email
[03:56] <HomoAcridien> hello there
[03:56] <Gmail> that i SCREEMed about a few times
[03:57] <Lathiat> There in lies your problem
[03:57] <Lathiat> if dao doesnt work, try tao
[03:57] <Lathiat> or vica-versa
[03:57] <HomoAcridien> I forgot to allow 1280*1024 resolution during the installation
[03:57] <Lathiat> relative flags are -tao and -dao
[03:57] <HomoAcridien> how can I change
[03:57] <Pizbit> Lathiat: It doesn't have a box to specify which port to connect to the server on so in the host box I put server:port , or is it done differently?
[03:57] <Gmail> ok
[03:57] <Gmail> thanks now
[03:57] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: umm im sure theres a proper way but if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config you can add it to the resolution lists
[03:57] <Gmail> but too late gnome loaded
[03:57] <jvs2> Im using vga=771
[03:57] <Lathiat> dude your goign to continue to have problems and annoy us all with them
[03:58] <jayeola> Gmail: why don't you use the md5sum to check the cd -first-
[03:58] <Lathiat> woudl you please just reinstall so you dont have all these stupid problems
[03:58] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: I have already changed these lines doesn't help
[03:58] <Gmail> and i am ctrl+alt+backspace ing and seeing if it work if not reinstall with the new cd
[03:58] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: what video card to you have
[03:58] <jvs2> but Ill try one more time just to be sure its not reiserfs on the root
[03:58] <Lathiat> jvs2: whats the issue
[03:58] <jayeola> bas: got that l/top loaded up?
[03:58] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: it's not video issue, now I am in 1024*780
[03:58] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: it's config
[03:58] <jvs2> Lathiat: the installer freezes here and there
[03:58] <Gmail> jayeola: if md5sum is croupted wound it give the right answer? no. but it isnt
[03:59] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: try commenting out the VertRefresh and HorizSync lines
[03:59] <Jisao> How can I force Grub to install over an active Grub in my MBR?
[03:59] <Gmail> and i was in a rush to install ubuntu after i burn i didnt even shut down
[03:59] <jvs2> Lathiat: using custom it doesnt even start...o_O
[03:59] <stvn> HomoAcridien: either edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:59] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: (i asked about video card cus sometimes you can only go so high with various drivers due to memory limits)
[03:59] <Lathiat> jvs2: custom what?
[03:59] <Lathiat> jvs2: sound slike you hve some weird hardware heh
[04:00] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: tx i didn't know the dkpg
[04:00] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: I will try
[04:00] <jvs2> Lathiat: yeah thats true...installing on a more or less new toshiba notebook
[04:00] <mjr> now all I need is an amd64 box
[04:00] <jayeola> um correct me if i'm wrong guys but md5sum would tell u if an iso is ok, right?
[04:00] <Seveas> Laptop question: Can i have different resolutions om my laptop monitor and the external monitor at the same time? And if yes: how?
[04:00] <agwibowo> finally
[04:00] <agwibowo> hello
[04:01] <agwibowo> can anyone help me
[04:01] <agwibowo> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
[04:01] <michel_v`> hello
[04:01] <agwibowo> i tried to edit my XFree86
[04:01] <jvs2> Lathiat: actually Im used to gentoo but ubuntu looks great and perfect for mobiles
[04:01] <michel_v`> ubuntu just won't install on my system, it hangs when setting up grub to use hd0
[04:01] <agwibowo> but when i typed: "sudo vim XF86Config-4"
[04:01] <Jisao> you too, michel_v` ?
[04:01] <agwibowo> it immediately returns to command prompt
[04:01] <michel_v`> in the debug window, I see that grub is trying to access fd0
[04:01] <agwibowo> what should i do??
[04:01] <michel_v`> but I don't have a floppy drive
[04:02] <stvn> agwibowo: try sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:02] <Lathiat> jvs2: quite
[04:02] <michel_v`> is there a way to just tell the installer that there's no fd0 to be found?
[04:02] <agwibowo> stvn: i'll try that.. thanks
[04:02] <michel_v`> I mean, it's rather stupid that I need a floppy drive to install grub
[04:02] <agwibowo> nope
[04:02] <agwibowo> no success
[04:02] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 are you sure for this one it doesn't find the command
[04:02] <Gmail> i did -dao and it said this driver doesnt support sao wtf?
[04:02] <Lathiat> michel_v`: it just probes all drives, ignore it
[04:02] <agwibowo> still immediately return to command prompt
[04:02] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: did you run that under sudo
[04:02] <stvn> agwibowo: do ls /etc/X11 and see if the config file is there?
[04:03] <michel_v`> Lathiat: it's been going on for 15 minutes, I finally rebooted
[04:03] <agwibowo> stvn : yes
[04:03] <Lathiat> michel_v`: odd
[04:03] <michel_v`> Lathiat: it was an endless string of fd0 errors
[04:03] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: yeah are you sure synthax is correct?
[04:03] <stvn> agwibowo: does sudo work at all?
[04:03] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: first: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[04:03] <jvs2> Lathiat: probably its reiserFS that drives the installer crazy
[04:03] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: sudo sum then run that
[04:03] <Lathiat> jvs2: dunno
[04:03] <Gmail> because when he installed it didnt configure anything beside for base-config starting at first boot
[04:03] <Lathiat> probably, it breaks everything else :)
[04:03] <agwibowo> stvn: how do i know if it is working / not ?
[04:03] <digitalux> hi everybody
[04:04] <uxi9000> hey, 
[04:04] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <Gmail> bye digitalux 
[04:04] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: should all be fine
[04:04] <stvn> agwibowo: try sudo ls that should work in any case if sudo works
[04:04] <KentutMerah> ummm does the maintainer of the ubuntu site lurk around here ?
[04:04] <agwibowo> stvn: it does not do anything
[04:04] <uxi9000> anybody else have issues getting mplayer to run
[04:04] <Jisao> jvs2, does it mean that we would have to avoid reiserfs partitions?
[04:04] <agwibowo> stvn: it asked for password.. i just pressed enter...  is that correct?
[04:04] <stvn> agwibowo: ah no, you need to give your password ;)
[04:05] <Gmail> agwibowo: enter your pass
[04:05] <stvn> agwibowo: just your normal user password
[04:05] <agwibowo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[04:05] <agwibowo> thanks a lot!!!!
[04:05] <stvn> :)
[04:05] <Gmail> lol
[04:05] <Gmail> 10 people answered that
[04:05] <agwibowo> by the way
[04:05] <agwibowo> my sound card does not work
[04:05] <|jvs|> Jisao: no...:) I should...not you
[04:05] <agwibowo> any program to configure the sound card?
[04:05] <Jisao> I wish they wouldn't have done that "use your normal user passwd" trick.  It complicates things for newbies.
[04:06] <stvn> agwibowo: check the output plugin in xmms
[04:06] <|jvs|> Jisao: I guess its my notebook thats making problems
[04:06] <agwibowo> stvn: i can't even increase my volume in gnome
[04:06] <stvn> agwibowo: hm, what kind of soundcard?
[04:06] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[04:06] <HomoAcridien> bash: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: Permission non accorde
[04:06] <agwibowo> stvn: it's a laptop, using Yamaha OPL something SAX 3 or OPL
[04:07] <Jisao> well, I have problem with grub right now, and the only reason I could boot anything from my system is because I installed grub from Sarge base-install
[04:07] <agwibowo> stvn: something along that line
[04:07] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: no you cant do that
[04:07] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: i told you, sudo su first, then run that command
[04:07] <stvn> agwibowo: does lsmod | grep snd result in anything?
[04:07] <Jisao> I would like to install grub from Ubuntu, as it will be a permanent distro on this multi os box
[04:07] <robertj> q. would it be possible to use hal to auto update the menu when /usr/lib/menu/foo was added?
[04:07] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: oki but why some apps allows to prefix with sudo ?
[04:07] <agwibowo> stvn: nope
[04:08] <stvn> agwibowo: hm
[04:08] <michel_v`> can parted just understand that I DON'T want to resize my existing ext3 partitions when I reuse their existing data?
[04:08] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: its just cause your using a bash redirect there
[04:08] <|jvs|> oh man...now frozen again...'installing extra packages'
[04:08] <mjr> hmm, I burned the warty-release-install-amd64.iso and found this inside:
[04:08] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: you can use sudo -c "blah" i think, but i couldnt remember the prefix and was easier to tell you to sudo su first
[04:08] <mjr> #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview amd64 Binary-1
[04:08] <Pizbit> |jvs|: Are you sure the cd is ok?
[04:08] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: cus the > redirect is interpreted by your bash shell, rather than the root one
[04:08] <stvn> agwibowo: check in dmesg if you see the computer recognising your sound card
[04:09] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: i see tx for the explanation
[04:09] <Gmail> i did dpkg-reconfigure -a
[04:09] <Gmail> now it config cdrecord and GNOME is loading
[04:09] <|jvs|> Pizbit: wouldnt there be an error if the cd had an error?
[04:09] <|jvs|> umm..
[04:09] <agwibowo> stvn: doesn't look like it
[04:09] <Gmail> the ubuntu splash screen is loading
[04:10] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: nps
[04:10] <|jvs|> error...error...um, the cd would be not ok :)
[04:10] <stvn> agwibowo: check in google if your sound card is supported at all in linux
[04:10] <Pizbit> |jvs|: Not always
[04:10] <agwibowo> yes it is
[04:10] <stvn> agwibowo: do you know the required module?
[04:10] <agwibowo> stvn: i used Yoper, Redhat, Suse, Mandrake, Fedora... my sound card works in all of them before
[04:10] <plagiats> bye
[04:11] <stvn> agwibowo: good, if you can figure out the required module you can modprobe it
[04:11] <agwibowo> stvn: hmmmmm ... good question.. can't remember.. but i think sound blaster compatible works last time
[04:11] <KentutMerah> does anybody here know how the 'planet' section on ubuntu's site is done on plone ?
[04:11] <agwibowo> stvn: how do i know which module are available ?
[04:11] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Do you use IMAP with evolution?
[04:11] <stvn> agwibowo: do you know if the other distro's use alsa or oss?
[04:11] <jayeola> fedora uses alsa
[04:11] <agwibowo> stvn: Yoper uses alsa
[04:12] <agwibowo> hmmm
[04:12] <agwibowo> it seems that ubuntu uses oss
[04:12] <agwibowo> am i right?
[04:12] <Lathiat> Pizbit: indeed
[04:12] <stvn> agwibowo: nope, it should use alsa
[04:12] <Jisao> OK, so no solution to grub not installing?
[04:12] <agwibowo> errrr
[04:12] <agwibowo> so what do i need to do?
[04:12] <agwibowo> trial and error?
[04:13] <agwibowo> modprobe each of them?
[04:13] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: It's configuring now it asks for the pci bus ?
[04:13] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: just leave that blank
[04:13] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Any ideas on why it refuses to do more than "Scanning folders in "IMAP server blahblah"?:)
[04:13] <Treenaks> Pizbit: it's scanning, wait for it to complete
[04:13] <Pizbit> Treenaks: It times out
[04:13] <stvn> agwibowo: not much of an alsa-hero myself, but it might work, but i'd suggest to look on the internet / ubuntu forums to see what the exact modules are
[04:14] <agwibowo> ok....
[04:14] <|jvs|> Ill burn the cd again
[04:14] <Lathiat> agwibowo: i have a bash script for trying brute force
[04:14] <|jvs|> on a different machine
[04:14] <Lathiat> agwibowo: have you tried alsaconf?
[04:14] <agwibowo> lathiat: it does not have alsaconf
[04:14] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: frambuffer yes no ?
[04:14] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: no
[04:14] <cenerentola> all:Extracting from /media/sda1/MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] .rar
[04:14] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /CDImage.cue Failed
[04:14] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /CDImage.wav Failed
[04:14] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /Mina Canta Lucio.log Failed
[04:14] <cenerentola> 3 Failed
[04:14] <stvn> agwibowo: sudo apt-get install alsaconf
[04:14] <Lathiat> agwibowo: apt-get install alsa-utils
[04:14] <cenerentola> why?
[04:14] <eruin> what's the default 4.10 kernel?
[04:15] <Lathiat> eruin: probably 2.6.8.1?
[04:15] <eruin> k
[04:15] <agwibowo> hmmm... i already tried that
[04:15] <Lathiat> not sure if 2.6.9 got in
[04:15] <agwibowo> alsaconf is still not there
[04:15] <Lathiat> agwibowo: doesnt work?
[04:15] <eruin> I need one that's recent 2.6 but not based on 2.6.9 (horribly buggy kswapd)
[04:15] <agwibowo> it does not install alsaconf
[04:15] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:15] <Lathiat> your right
[04:15] <Lathiat> odd
[04:15] <Lathiat> have you found the entry in lspci for your sounce card
[04:15] <stvn> agwibowo: check in synaptic for the correct package
[04:16] <cenerentola> lathiat: do you know what
[04:16] <Lathiat> cenerentola: not personally, i dont know anyone who knows any whats actually...
[04:17] <BlackFenix> cenerentola file corrupted. Check md5.
[04:17] <cenerentola> Extracting from /media/sda1/MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] .rar
[04:17] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /CDImage.cue Failed
[04:17] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /CDImage.wav Failed
[04:17] <cenerentola> Extracting  MINA(1975)MINA.CANTA.LUCIO.by.FaGjPA.CREW[WAVE.CUE] /Mina Canta Lucio.log Failed
[04:17] <cenerentola> 3 Failed
[04:17] <stvn> agwibowo: hm, odd it should be in alsa-utils but it doesn't seem to work here either
[04:17] <agwibowo> stvn: so to load the module, i just use sudo modprobe <module name> ?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> agwibowo, alsaconf was left out becasue the developers found it too buggy
[04:17] <agwibowo> stvn: and if the module is working, i should be able to increase my volume in gnome?
[04:17] <kent> cenerentola, dont repeat your self. We heard the first time. What command/program are you running?
[04:18] <agwibowo> LinuxJones : ahhh thanks
[04:18] <cenerentola> kent:unrar
[04:18] <agwibowo> anyway
[04:18] <agwibowo> everyone
[04:18] <agwibowo> thanks
[04:18] <michel_v`> alright, I'm stupid
[04:18] <agwibowo> i found my sound card!
[04:18] <agwibowo> heheheheeeee
[04:18] <agwibowo> so happy
[04:18] <stvn> agwibowo: cong.
[04:18] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Nah, it times out again and again, sends email fine though
[04:18] <michel_v`> I typed 'hd0' instead of '(hd0)'
[04:18] <stvn> agwibowo: what did you do?
[04:18] <Gmail> is ubuntu using a vinala kernel or a debian one or a debian one + there own touches??
[04:18] <agwibowo> how do i load it when my computer boot? (automatically)
[04:18] <michel_v`> IMHO ubuntu's installer should detect this kind of error
[04:18] <Treenaks> Pizbit: sending is not receiving..
[04:18] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: dead-keys what's that ?
[04:19] <agwibowo> stvn: i just remember that my module is oplsa3 something.. then i tried all of them
[04:19] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Hadn't noticed.
[04:19] <stvn> agwibowo: edit /etc/modules
[04:19] <Treenaks> Pizbit: it's a completely different protocol.. maybe your IMAP server is broken?
[04:19] <Treenaks> Pizbit: or your connection to it should be encrypted
[04:19] <Treenaks> Pizbit: or something like htat
[04:19] <kent> cenerentola, why not use the default package in gnome that handles rar files? Maybe you are trying to unrar it in a dir you cant write to?
[04:20] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Sending/Receiving working fine in thunderbird
[04:20] <jayeola> ok. say i install ubtnu, then another distro. where would i find the other distro loads ubuntu (by default)?? 
[04:20] <kent> cenerentola, the gnome program uses the unrar command, so it might not work aswell, but who knows.. it might tell you whats wrong.
[04:20] <Treenaks> Pizbit: check settings in both... are the authentication/encryption settings exactly the same?
[04:20] <agwibowo> stvn: great! thx
[04:20] <cenerentola> because it says "unrar: invalid option -- c
[04:20] <cenerentola> Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information."
[04:21] <agwibowo> any interesting stuff in ubuntu? 
[04:21] <GotD0t> hey all
[04:21] <Gmail> oh uh kernel log demen failed to restart
[04:21] <Gmail> after i configured it
[04:21] <miguel_> hi, can anyone help me?, i'm running vino in my ubuntu, but when someone get connected my cpu goes to 100%, what can i do to avoid this?
[04:21] <GotD0t> whats vino?
[04:21] <agwibowo> what package is xmms under?
[04:22] <kent> cenerentola, you know there is a "rar" package aswell in Ubuntu? I installed rar instead of unrar. As i recall, the unrar was nonfree. Try it with rar instead..  
[04:22] <GotD0t> xmms
[04:22] <miguel_> vino is the vnc for gnome
[04:22] <Gmail> miguel_: ever ones cpu goes at 100%
[04:22] <agwibowo> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:22] <agwibowo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:22] <agwibowo> is only available from another source
[04:22] <agwibowo> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[04:22] <deFrysk> agwibowo, add univere
[04:22] <deFrysk> universe
[04:22] <miguel_> Gmail, you say then it's normal?
[04:22] <GotD0t> deFrysk he shouldn't need to
[04:22] <agwibowo> ?
[04:22] <deFrysk> to your repository
[04:22] <agwibowo> how?
[04:22] <Gmail> well atlest when i click anything
[04:23] <deFrysk> GotD0t, why not ?
[04:23] <phoen1x> afternoon all
[04:23] <Gmail> miguel_: well for me what ever i do for that second my cpu is 100% but my load is not highish at all
[04:23] <GotD0t> deFrysk because when I installed it I didn't have universe added
[04:23] <miguel_> but if i let my cpu going 100% for 20 min in a motherboard Via without fan in the processor, it can burn...
[04:23] <GotD0t> hey phoen1x
[04:24] <agwibowo> ic ic
[04:24] <deFrysk> GotD0t, afaIk its in universe
[04:24] <eruin> is there a group package for common devel-tools?
[04:24] <agwibowo> hey i love this distro
[04:24] <agwibowo> (so far)
[04:24] <BlackFenix> agwibowo etc/apt/sources.list
[04:24] <miguel_> i say when someone is conected cpu is 100% until user left the vnc server
[04:24] <Gmail> miguel_: have you ever used linux before?
[04:24] <phoen1x> general question - have just bought Savage and cant get it to work - I double click on the "savage.bin" and it says it wont open it unless i tell it what to open it with 
[04:24] <miguel_> knoppix hehe
[04:25] <Gmail> miguel_: your load isnt 100%
[04:25] <miguel_> no? :D:D:D:D
[04:25] <Gmail> miguel_: nor is your load
[04:25] <Gmail> miguel_: it just that your cpu is working 100%
[04:25] <miguel_> but the temperature wont increase?
[04:25] <Gmail> miguel_: you should use the command uptime to see the load
[04:25] <agwibowo> oooo
[04:25] <Gmail> miguel_: no
[04:26] <agwibowo> it does not have cvs by default
[04:26] <robertj> Onboard i810 video is unaccelerated in the default install, is there another driver available?
[04:26] <Gmail> miguel_: you want your cpu to work 100%
[04:26] <miguel_> wow, thanks a lot!!! i was worried
[04:26] <Gmail> miguel_: you dont want it to be broken do you?
[04:26] <miguel_> exactly
[04:27] <phoen1x> GotD0t: thqanks for your help on the sound last night, been ripping and listening all morning :) .ogg rocks!
[04:27] <GotD0t> question, why does it say 2 users for me when i do uptime?
[04:27] <GotD0t> phoenx1, oh no prob man... wish i knew how to get my 5.1 sound working though
[04:27] <deFrysk> ogg rules big time
[04:27] <phoen1x> GotD0t: got 2 "desktops" running?
[04:27] <Gmail> miguel_: you should be worried it you are doing some major and it not 100% (unless your compueter is one of the 500 super computers)
[04:27] <miguel_> so you say i can be conected, cpu at 100% for 20 min and the processor temperature will not be increased, do you?
[04:27] <ogra> GtoD: type: who in your therminal
[04:28] <Treenaks> phoen1x: each open terminal counts a user for w
[04:28] <GotD0t> ogra: thats interesting... never would have expected each monitor to register as a user
[04:28] <phoen1x> Treenaks: thats what i thought
[04:28] <Gmail> maybe i should reinstall from non crap cd?
[04:29] <stvn> Gmail: yes!
[04:29] <Gmail> but i need to wait till ubuntu send me a few hundred cds 
[04:29] <deFrysk> perhaps next version of ubuntu should have a media-check ?
[04:29] <deFrysk> like fedora has ?
[04:29] <aitrus> Treenaks: you can disable that in the gnome-terminal profile (the updating of 'w')
[04:29] <phoen1x> the release cd does have a media check
[04:30] <Gmail> deFrysk: next version od ubuntu will have a gfx installer
[04:30] <Treenaks> aitrus: yes, but that breaks screen
[04:30] <Treenaks> aitrus: among other thing
[04:30] <Treenaks> s
[04:30] <deFrysk> phoen1x, never noticed it , sorry :s
[04:30] <Treenaks> Gmail: no, read better
[04:30] <Treenaks> Gmail: it might have
[04:30] <myfology> hello all
[04:30] <phoen1x> deFrysk: np - found it by accident :)
[04:30] <aitrus> Treenaks: interesting....
[04:30] <Gmail> and a lot of other stuff better than fedora
[04:30] <Gmail> Treenaks: it will have
[04:31] <phoen1x> i really must get installing mplayer..
[04:31] <deFrysk> speed of ubuntu is better for sure :)
[04:31] <Gmail> Treenaks: i see it to be my way by helping
[04:31] <Gmail> deFrysk: LOL not for me
[04:31] <phoen1x> deFrysk: I am still stunned at how it runs on this P2 500 :)
[04:31] <tof_> hi all
[04:31] <robertj> The funny thing is everyone seems to agree, Ubuntu installs wonderfully albeit only via a text interface
[04:31] <agwibowo> hmmm
[04:31] <deFrysk> :D
[04:31] <agwibowo> i can't find xmms in universe
[04:31] <robertj> and Debian is still sitting around "The installer would be ready if people would use it"
[04:32] <tof_> which wifi manager can i use with ubuntu ?
[04:32] <deFrysk> agwibowo, do a search is synaptic for xmms
[04:32] <deFrysk> is* in
[04:32] <Gmail> deFrysk: this croupted cd is doing something to bad to my system
[04:32] <stvn> agwibowo: it's not in universe IIRC, it's in main
[04:32] <GotD0t> deFrysk.... xmms isn't in universe, its in main
[04:32] <dawynn> hello
[04:33] <myfology> question, how can I change from grub to lilo?  I know in other distros they have a a nice gooey to do it.
[04:33] <deFrysk> agwibowo, did you do a sudo apt-get update ?
[04:33] <GotD0t> thank you stvn, i said that a while ago
[04:33] <GotD0t> deFrysk thats probably it
[04:33] <dawynn> Question: What is multiverse?
[04:33] <deFrysk> myfology, apt-get lilo I guess and make it default
[04:33] <myfology> I d/led it with synaptic, bt it's still on my ntfs mbr
[04:34] <phoen1x> dawynn: I believe multiverse is an unsupprted resource list?
[04:34] <stvn> GotD0t: prolly a lag isue then ;)
[04:34] <agwibowo> yes
[04:34] <myfology> i run xp/and ubuntu.. (i run xp because when i got the machine at the local shop, it was supposed to come with no os, but it had xp)
[04:34] <agwibowo> deFrysk: yes i did
[04:34] <agwibowo> deFrysk: interestingly, synaptic also does not have xmms
[04:35] <deFrysk> and sudo apt-get install xmms did not work ?
[04:35] <myfology> two seperate h/d
[04:35] <agwibowo> deFrysk: it has xmms-<bla bla> (a lot of them) but not just xmms
[04:35] <deFrysk> agwibowo, try adding universe
[04:35] <agwibowo> deFrysk: i already did
[04:35] <dawynn> Question: How would one go about suggesting packages to be included in Ubuntu (at least in the Universe repository)?
[04:35] <deFrysk> agwibowo, get one xmms blah and xmms wil be added also (as a dep)
[04:36] <tseng> dawynn: wait for hoary to open
[04:36] <Gmail> i dont have libgnome2-perl installed
[04:36] <Gmail> LOL that maybe a problem that i am having
[04:36] <stvn> myfology: why do you want lilo anyway?
[04:36] <ogra> agwibowo: refreshed your package list ?
[04:36] <robertj> should i810 be accelerated out of the box?
[04:36] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to get 5.1 sound working from an audigy?
[04:36] <myfology> i've used it before, and I like it a bit better.. I don't know.
[04:36] <agwibowo> ok.. i'll try
[04:37] <Gmail> a lot og libgnome2* isnt install and i am not counting the dev ones
[04:37] <deFrysk> .me has xmms as a package in his repo
[04:37] <myfology> call me spoiled but it usually has a gui boot
[04:37] <robertj> technically 82845G/Builtin
[04:37] <ulisse> Hello folks!
[04:38] <myfology> it's less intimidating to show other non-*nix people how easy it is to choose how to boot 
[04:38] <StarScream> hi, on boot i get radeonfb: invalid rom signature 0 should be 0xaa55...is this a problem?
[04:38] <agwibowo> deFrsyk : it says "xmms is not installable"
[04:38] <ulisse> I've right installed Ubuntu on a Packard-Bell laptop, but I have a trouble:
[04:38] <stvn> myfology: huh, lilo has gui boot nowadays? haven't used lilo for a long time
[04:38] <GotD0t> does anybody use Liferea and know how to get the gmail feed working?
[04:39] <myfology> yes.
[04:39] <|jvs|> damn
[04:39] <agwibowo> anyway... i'll try later
[04:39] <agwibowo> want to reboot first
[04:39] <ogra> agwibowo: you must refresh your package list (the most left button in synaptic)
[04:39] <agwibowo> hehe
[04:39] <|jvs|> knoppix wont write the iso image
[04:39] <|jvs|> and grub is gone
[04:39] <Gmail> agwibowo: why not install beep-something which is the gtk fork of xmms
[04:39] <agwibowo> bye bye everyone.. thanks for helping
[04:39] <|jvs|> cant boot into window
[04:39] <|jvs|> ss
[04:39] <ulisse> When I run Gnome, the X of x-server remains on top in the middle of the screen
[04:39] <stvn> myfology: a nice, grub can be fancied up as well, not sure how in ubuntu though
[04:39] <tof_> is someone use wireess ?
[04:39] <myfology> there's some gui grub packages?
[04:39] <Gmail> tof_: i do
[04:39] <Pizbit> HAH!
[04:39] <ulisse> I mean the "X" icon shown on the x startup
[04:40] <iminj> Hi: Can anyone help me (noob) connect to network thru my router ? I get no ip using either DHCP or STATIC. When I connect directly into cable modem ( as I am now) i get connection.
[04:40] <Pizbit> Evolution just needed killing off and restarting;)
[04:40] <tof_> Gmail, which tools are you using to manage wireless ?
[04:40] <GotD0t> iminj: what router?
[04:40] <Gmail> tof_: i got wireless internet but it no wifi or anything its like a normal adsl modem i use PPPoE no driver needed
[04:40] <ulisse> anyone can hel pme?
[04:40] <tof_> ok
[04:41] <TMM> hi all!
[04:41] <Gmail> tof_: i have a navini so i use navini's tool
[04:41] <iminj> GotDot: d-link 624 .. i am using ethernet 
[04:41] <dawynn> Question: I'm a former Debian Testing user, very recently converted over to Ubuntu (this week).  This piece was broken on my Debian system, so it's not a problem specific to the Ubuntu setup. I run a dual-boot (Ubuntu/Win-ME) system now, but I can't access my Win drives as a normal user.  Root can access them fine.  What do I need to change for normal users to read the Win drives? (Something in fstab? A group issue?)
[04:41] <Lathiat> dawynn: yeh, add uid=1000 to the options in /etc/fstab
[04:41] <green> is the anyone who use AMD64 ?
[04:41] <GotD0t> iminj: did you check of DHCP was actually enabled?
[04:41] <green> except me :(
[04:42] <TMM> can someone please tell me how I can change the language of the desktop in ubuntu? I've generated the appropraite locales and I can choose the languages is GDM, but when gnome starts it complains that it can't find the language and it's reverting to the system default (English) I've generated all the NL_nl locales available and tried them all... all with the same result
[04:42] <GotD0t> dawynn: you also need umask=000
[04:42] <iminj> GotDot .. YES, in fact, just 2 minutes ago I was online in Win98 with DHCP, via the router
[04:42] <ulisse> nothing about the "X" icon?
[04:42] <ulisse> c'mon!
[04:42] <Gmail> and is it the last sunday of the month?
[04:43] <stvn> myfology: I don'
[04:43] <TMM> Gmail, it's saturday here :)
[04:43] <|jvs|> lol
[04:43] <Gmail> it sunday here
[04:43] <GotD0t> haha
[04:43] <|jvs|> hehe
[04:43] <GotD0t> saturday mornin here
[04:43] <Gmail> wtf
[04:43] <TMM> 16:43 here
[04:43] <|jvs|> SAT, 4pm here
[04:43] <Gmail> it sunday night here
[04:43] <|jvs|> exactly TMM
[04:43] <GotD0t> around 10 gmail?
[04:43] <Gmail> like 2am
[04:43] <GotD0t> oh wow
[04:43] <TMM> |jvs|, yeah ur in my timezone! :) I feel a strong bond ;)
[04:44] <myfology> stvn: I guess, if during install it would give you a choice of boot loaders, it would be great.
[04:44] <Gmail> i am GMT +10
[04:44] <TMM> GMT +1 here
[04:44] <|jvs|> TMM, :D
[04:44] <Gmail> lol my timezone LOL
[04:44] <GotD0t> i believe im -5...
[04:44] <TMM> |jvs|, maybe you know how to get gnome in dutch?
[04:44] <stvn> myfology: heh, doubt it's that easy, since you need to change all the kernel install scripts as well
[04:44] <ulisse> I am GMT+1 (Italy), but someone help me, please!
[04:44] <TMM> Gmail, yeah it's MY timezone ;)
[04:44] <myfology> ah
[04:44] <GotD0t> what do you need ulisse?
[04:45] <Gmail> so is it the last sunday
[04:45] <|jvs|> myfology: it does give you a choice in expert mode
[04:45] <phoen1x> wish me luck, about to try and install java...
[04:45] <stvn> myfology: ubuntu assumes you have grub so it has scripts in place to update grub once you install a new kernel
[04:45] <iminj> Hi: Can anyone help me (noob) connect to network thru my router ? I get no ip using either DHCP or STATIC. When I connect directly into cable modem ( as I am now) i get connection.
[04:45] <dawynn> Back to the win/linux question for vfat: OK, so now my options for each my Win drives in vfat show: "nosuid,user,uid=1000,umask=000". Anything look wrong here? Anything else I should add? 
[04:45] <myfology> ah
[04:45] <ulisse> I have the "X" icon always stuck in the middle of the screen
[04:45] <stvn> myfology: but if you prefer lilo, check google on howto's on replacing grub with lilo and remember to update lilo everytime you install new kernel
[04:45] <GotD0t> dawynn: looks good
[04:45] <phoen1x> ulisse: i think thats a "hardware" mouse - someway to disable it i think
[04:46] <robertj> iminj: does your router run dhcp as well?
[04:46] <Gmail> stvn: he just needs to apt-get install lilo and it does it for him
[04:46] <ogra> ulisse:add: Option "HWCursor" "false"  to the "Device" section in your XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11
[04:46] <iminj> robertj: yes, the router runs dhcp
[04:46] <stvn> myfology: personally I prefer grub since it allows you to edit the parameters at boot time, and most ppl are not that scared with a simpel choice 'linux' 'windows' ;)
[04:46] <ulisse> On the laptop there is a synaptic touchpad (that works great)
[04:46] <GotD0t> dawynn, add ro
[04:46] <stvn> Gmail: doubtful
[04:46] <Gmail> stvn: debconf has been around for awhile
[04:46] <robertj> iminj: first think I would try would be to see if you can borrow a friends router
[04:46] <ulisse> hwcursor, right, I'll try
[04:46] <myfology> i tried googling. but do you think if I tried a re-install of the system, in expert mode, would Ihave a option to not overwrite my home directory?
[04:46] <Gmail> stvn: i did it myself
[04:47] <ogra> ulisse: it's a graphicscard issue, noit the mouse
[04:47] <robertj> thats the lazy way ;)
[04:47] <robertj> but what model do you have
[04:47] <Gmail> stvn: i just swaped from lilo to grub again
[04:47] <TMM> grub is waaaaay better than lilo IMHO
[04:47] <ulisse> the graphicard is a "TwisterK"
[04:47] <stvn> Gmail: but did you install new kernel while you had lilo?
[04:47] <iminj> robertj: good idea ! It's a d-link 624, and it works flawlessly when i boot into win98
[04:48] <TMM> lilo barfs on compaq laptop bioses... takes literally 2 minutes to decompress the kernel image with lilo on these machines... 2seconds with grub
[04:48] <|jvs|> any windows expert here?
[04:48] <myfology> I don't quite remember what boot loader I had, but it's on my hda mbr, my ubuntu is on my hdb
[04:48] <robertj> iminj: I don't know anything abut the 624
[04:48] <iminj> but with ubuntu, i get no ip
[04:48] <stvn> myfology: if you want to fancy up grub see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
[04:48] <Gmail> stvn: there is no new kernel yet and yes on debian it does it for you
[04:48] <|jvs|> I need to recover the mbr to boot into windows since grub is gone
[04:48] <iminj> Thanks rovertj ..
[04:48] <robertj> I had problems with other dlinks in the 713 series but not because of dhcp, but because they crashed frequently
[04:49] <Gmail> stvn: can you give me that link in a few min/hrs
[04:49] <robertj> just pulling up the builtin admin page with konqueror killed it
[04:49] <iminj> I'm gonna try if i can find a d-link or router chat room. Know of any?
[04:49] <stvn> Gmail: my debian box never figured out how to install kernels into grub since it was born with lilo, newer instalations had no problem with it though
[04:49] <ulisse> ogra: I have the graphicard options in "device section"
[04:49] <Moof> hmm, the installer hates my USB mouse
[04:49] <GotD0t> dawynn you there?
[04:49] <robertj> no, does anyone else here have a 6xx series Dlink router?
[04:49] <ulisse> should I add the line there?
[04:50] <dawynn> Thanks on the fstab issue! Everything works now!  Happy day!  I left the ro off because I *want* to be able to write stuff to the win drives from Linux.
[04:50] <GotD0t> dawynn good luck then
[04:50] <ogra> ulisse: add: Option "HWCursor" "false" before EndSection there
[04:50] <stvn> dawynn: on ntfs drives?
[04:50] <robertj> iminJ: whatever yo do, make sure you create a page in HardwareSupport on the wiki for Network Routers
[04:51] <GotD0t> dawynn: btw, what OS did you use that had fat32?
[04:51] <iminj> where is the wiki u referred to?
[04:51] <robertj> I uesd to have a cable modem years ago that wouldn't work with the stock dhcp client
[04:51] <robertj> wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[04:51] <dawynn> No - on fat32.  Win-ME
[04:51] <iminj> ok.. thnx :)
[04:51] <robertj> iminj: the #1 thing to know is this
[04:51] <ulisse> ogra: Ok, done. I am rebooting, in two minutes I'll feed you back!
[04:51] <GotD0t> dawynn: i see clearly now why you're switching ;-)
[04:52] <robertj> if you have a non-compliant dhcp router you have to make a special effort to persuade people that you are not an idiot
[04:52] <ogra> ulisse: good luck ;)
[04:52] <iminj> heh heh ... thanks, i got ya
[04:52] <|jvs|> anybody here who got it working on a satellite?
[04:52] <GotD0t> dawynn: if i had switched from ME to ubuntu i would not do a dual boot as i would be too ashamed to have them both on the comp
[04:53] <dawynn> Yea -- hated paying the Microsoft tax for their bugfix updates.  I still use win for games and my Mini Disk software, but everything else I'm trying to get over to Linux.
[04:53] <inklingx> does someone knows the eta for the new version (security update) for gaim?
[04:53] <ulisse> ogra: IT WORKED! U'r great!
[04:53] <ulisse> thank you very much!
[04:53] <ogra> ulisse: you're welcome :)
[04:53] <robertj> PLEASE add your hardware to the wiki at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport
[04:54] <GotD0t> dawynn: i didn't know you could run anything on ME ;-)
[04:54] <robertj> I added my $300 emachines T2885, yall can do the same ;)
[04:54] <GotD0t> dawynn: let alone a game...
[04:54] <myfology> thanks for the info. brb
[04:55] <Gmail> i will add my one when it works
[04:55] <Gmail> my $1.1k
[04:55] <dawynn> One last Q: I saw some thoughts on the Ubuntu website about Bootsplash backgrounds.  Is bootsplash activated in the Ubuntu kernel compiles?  I'm having difficulty getting it to work.
[04:55] <ulisse> See you next time, thanks again!
[04:55] <ogra> dawynn: next release....
[04:56] <Gmail> dawynn: the next release will have it
[04:56] <dawynn> cool
[04:56] <ogra> dawynn: they're devolping something better than bootsplash ;)
[04:56] <Gmail> wait is that of the kernel or will the ...?
[04:56] <GotD0t> ogra: oh great... i thought i had gotten rid of the freaky lookin half naked people
[04:56] <dawynn> ?? Tell me more!
[04:56] <_req> hi everyone, I was wondering if someone could recomend a peice of software or a method for connecting to a VPN using ubuntu?
[04:57] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog_2fusplash?action=highlight&value=usplashd
[04:57] <Gmail> i herd the are going to make gdm your boot splash
[04:57] <Gmail> </dream land>
[04:57] <Gmail> ogra: can you give me that link tomz?
[04:58] <Gmail> or tell me in bref
[04:58] <eruin> any ubuntu forums out there?
[04:58] <GotD0t> can anybody help me set up the gmail feed through Liferea?
[04:58] <port7> www.ubuntuforms.org
[04:58] <Gmail> yes eruin 
[04:58] <eruin> cheers
[04:58] <port7> www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:58] <ogra> Gmail: usplash, 100% userspace graphical boot system.
[04:58] <port7> sorry bad spellings there..
[04:58] <GotD0t> or know a RSS aggregator that has native https support?
[04:59] <Gmail> eruin: neowin also seem to become into neoubuntu
[04:59] <eruin> port7: I have a built-in mental spellchecker ;)
[04:59] <eruin> neowin?
[04:59] <Gmail> ogra: usplash?
[04:59] <eruin> neowin doesn't tell me much ;P
[04:59] <dawynn> Thanks all
[05:00] <Gmail> neowin.net is the biggest winblows forums
[05:00] <TMM> ok, can someone tell me where I can get the kernel module for the fglrx driver in ubuntu?
[05:00] <Gmail> like 100k members
[05:00] <TMM> I apt-get installed it, but there's no kernel module in there
[05:00] <eruin> why would anyone want to be in a forum about windows? :P
[05:00] <|jvs|> Im checking the cds integrity now, this might give some clue whether its ok or errorenous
[05:00] <ogra> Gmail: yep....you wanted it brief :)
[05:00] <Gmail> and 1k online at any time (with in the paste 30min LOLLOLOLOLOL)
[05:00] <_req> so no one can help with the VPN question?
[05:01] <Gmail> ogra: copy and paste the text into a pm to me please
[05:01] <eruin> Gmail: I see what you mean, though ;)
[05:01] <|jvs|> _req: whats your problem?
[05:01] <|jvs|> oh, I have just read
[05:02] <|jvs|> sorry now clue about software and VPN
[05:02] <_req> well not so much of a problem just a lacck of knowledge, I am new to linux and I have no idea how to connect to a vpn
[05:02] <ogra> _req: there is nothing yet, look in the ubuntu-devel mailing list, it's been discussed recently
[05:02] <|jvs|> but Im pretty sure smbdy here might have an answer
[05:02] <_req> yeah i was hoping someone woul
[05:02] <_req> without it my ubuntu install wont get to be online :)
[05:02] <robertj> hrmmm, I get sound in Wesnoth only if I elevate my permissions
[05:03] <ogra> Gmail: mailaddress ?
[05:03] <cenerentola> in the website what does "Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release" is DONE. Download Warty today!"
[05:03] <_req> also while I am here, anyone had any success getting an ADM8211 wlan card to work?
[05:04] <Gmail> ok in source.list what else is there besides main and ristricted
[05:04] <Gmail> ogra: /msg Gmail 
[05:04] <mcdado> hi
[05:04] <Gmail> bya mcdado 
[05:04] <ogra> Gmail: oh, i thought pm= personal mail ;)
[05:05] <Gmail> personal message
[05:05] <Gmail> ok it mail ristricted? and univers? and correct spelling please for the whole apt mirror
[05:05] <StarScream> THANKYOU UBUNTU developers...I just installed it on my ibook...it went perfectly..only yellow dog has installed this easily wit osx and i dont really like rpm
[05:06] <StarScream> you have made my day
[05:06] <mcdado> i just installed ubuntu... but, i wondering if i'm becoming mad: didn't it ask to configure the root user, choosing the password?
[05:06] <cenerentola> why does the embedded archive gnome tool ... if i try to open a .rar says "unrar: invalid option -- c
[05:06] <cenerentola> Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information."
[05:06] <ogra> mcad: great, is't it :)
[05:06] <mcdado> what?
[05:07] <ogra> mcdado: no root pw
[05:07] <mcdado> aaah... but, trying to su it doesn't work!
[05:07] <lyp|loggy> k
[05:07] <lyp|loggy> htf do i install dnscache?
[05:07] <lyp|loggy> (aka, djbdns)
[05:07] <ogra> mcdado: you use sudo on ubuntu ;)
[05:07] <lyp|loggy> or bind dns cache
[05:07] <WW> Hello world.
[05:07] <lyp|loggy> or whatever. i don't give a flying ****
[05:07] <GotD0t> can anybody help me set up the gmail feed through Liferea?
[05:08] <|jvs|> ok...installing the base system now
[05:08] <lyp|loggy> but now i'm totally and utterly going bonkers cus my linux bos has 3 second resolve times
[05:08] <ogra> mcdado: all with your userpw
[05:08] <lyp|loggy> and windows on the same network... instant
[05:08] <|jvs|> I hope this is without the extra packages
[05:08] <mcdado> oh my god... why? why don't configure the root user? :/
[05:08] <cenerentola> lathiat: are u there?
[05:08] <WW> When I start a second instance of Firefox, it comes up blank.  I have to tell it to Go->Home :)
[05:08] <WW> Can I fix this?
[05:08] <lyp|loggy> mcdado: root sucks
[05:08] <lyp|loggy> mcdado: just type sudo passwd root if you really must
[05:09] <meff> anyone using vmware and have a prob with it loading after reboot want to test out a fix for me im adding to the wiki?
[05:09] <ogra> mcdad:http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:10] <port7> anyone mangaged to get vmware working under ubuntu?
[05:10] <port7> i am having problems here
[05:10] <Gmail> like?
[05:10] <Gmail> my onessssss?
[05:10] <port7> running vmware-config.pl
[05:10] <|jvs|> oh damnit!
[05:10] <mcdado> ok thanks
[05:10] <port7> it tells me that the kernel-headers i have are the wrong version
[05:10] <|jvs|> it again tries to install the extra packages *grrrrr
[05:11] <Gmail> shess gnome still hasnt started
[05:11] <sean_> I have a problem Im hoping someone can help me with
[05:11] <port7> cant find the kernel headers anywhere...
[05:11] <port7> the right ones anyway
[05:11] <WW> Does Firefox come up blank for you if you run a second copy?
[05:11] <sean_> I have a 40gb hard drive and with nothing other than a couple songs and Ubuntu its telling me I have 847mb free
[05:11] <port7> uname -r gives me 2.6.8.1-2-386
[05:11] <Gmail> ok my sources.list reads a s deb <mirror> warty main restricted
[05:11] <GotD0t> sean_ are they on different partitions?
[05:11] <WW> sean_: Is one of the songs Inna Gadda da Vida?
[05:12] <|jvs|> LOL
[05:12] <GotD0t> ?
[05:12] <sean_> lol no WW
[05:12] <Gmail> i want the rest of the reponsery what else comes after main? universal?
[05:12] <sean_> I have two mountable partiions and a swap partition
[05:12] <xenonite> hello, can so help me here: how can i add entries to the gnome-menu?
[05:13] <ogra> xenonite: right klick
[05:13] <ogra> xenonite: in a submenu
[05:13] <phoen1x> hallelujah - i have java :)
[05:13] <sean_> one of the mountable partions is only 5gb but it should be saving everything to the big partition
[05:13] <lyp|loggy> congrtz phoen1x :P
[05:13] <WW> xenonite: Or take a look near the end of the FAQ on the wiki.
[05:13] <xenonite> ogra, thanks :))
[05:13] <phoen1x> lyp|loggy: its a big achievement LOL
[05:14] <meff> can someone using vmware under ubuntu please test a fix for me?
[05:14] <sean_> any ideas?
[05:14] <Gmail> i want the rest of the reponsery what else comes after main? universal???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[05:14] <port7> meff: i would like to get it working in the 1st place!!
[05:15] <meff> Gmail: cut it with the repeating
[05:15] <meff> port7: whats the problem?
[05:15] <port7> meff: cant get it to install
[05:15] <lyp|loggy> phoen1x: :P
[05:15] <meff> port7: pm me i'll help you
[05:15] <port7> wcool
[05:15] <WW> Gmai: ttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[05:16] <WW> Gmail: Oops lost the h in http...
[05:16] <xenonite> WW, where is the faq? i just found this: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/German_20FAQ
[05:16] <WW> Gmail: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[05:16] <ogra> WW: one for you -> h
[05:16] <Gmail> WW: i cant open a browser besides lynx and i dont want to use lynx
[05:16] <WW> ogra: Thanks, you are too kind. :-)
[05:17] <WW> xenonite: Check the channel topics
[05:17] <Lathiat> cenerentola: yar
[05:18] <xenonite> thx WW
[05:18] <Gmail> WW: it just a symple spelling of universal and giving me the rest of the, can someone please help me in this thing :)?
[05:18] <WW> Now, could some try starting two copies of Firefox, and see if the second one starts normally.
[05:18] <Lathiat> Gmail: ffs dude would you just reinstall with a non-corrupt cd already
[05:18] <stodge> Hi folks. Can I use the Universe repository with the recent release of Ubuntu? Or are the two incompatible? Thanks
[05:18] <WW> Gmail: The component is "universe".
[05:18] <Lathiat> stodge: Yes, its meant for it
[05:18] <sabdfl> stodge: absoloodle
[05:18] <Gmail> Lathiat: then help me with my burner
[05:18] <|progenic|> anybody
[05:18] <stodge> Ok thanks
[05:18] <Lathiat> Gmail: i did
[05:18] <ogra> WW: got 12 open here....
[05:18] <sabdfl> stodge: just be aware it doesn't get much security updates or review
[05:18] <|progenic|> anybody can help me to set the proxy for my aptitude ?
[05:18] <Lathiat> Gmail: ok, tell me the error
[05:19] <sabdfl> s/much/ANY/
[05:19] <Gmail> Lathiat: -tao -dao or -sao dont help
[05:19] <|progenic|> seems like i cannot get thru any site 
[05:19] <|progenic|> i mean to download and update the package
[05:19] <stodge> Wasn't sure if Universe only worked with the release candidate
[05:19] <Lathiat> Gmail: howd you burn the first one?
[05:19] <stodge> (original releae candidate)
[05:19] <Gmail> they all say my driver cant support that write mode
[05:19] <WW> ogra: And the second comes up correctly?  My second instance comes up blank.  It works, but I have to Go->Home first.
[05:19] <Gmail> Lathiat: i think it was tao
[05:19] <ogra> |progenic|: export http_proxy=http://yur.proxy.server.address
[05:19] <stodge> "Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[05:20] <stodge> Can't get NVidia driver installed from Universe - hence my question :P
[05:20] <ogra> WW: youre right
[05:20] <|progenic|> do i have to do it everytime ? to export my proxy ?
[05:20] <mjr> stodge, isn't that in restricted?
[05:20] <xenonite> is there any difference (besides the installer) between an old release candidate with all updates and the final version?
[05:20] <Lathiat> xenonite: yes, nothing overly significant
[05:20] <WW> ogra: So you get the same behavior? (or behaviour, depending...)
[05:20] <ogra> |progenic|: dunno where to set it for aptitude, never using that, but it will work
[05:20] <stodge> Oh is it? Ok!~
[05:21] <philipp1> the second firefox instance will sometimes want a second user/identity, sometimes not, i wasn't able to get consistency with this bug
[05:21] <stodge> Doh!
[05:21] <ogra> WW: yep (i'm german, don't care about behaviour vs. behavior)
[05:21] <WW> philipp1: OK, so it's not just me.  I don't want to suffer alone :)
[05:21] <stvn> hey, where should I turn to if I want to add a local language support channel to the website?
[05:21] <ogra> WW: looks buggy
[05:22] <_req_> is there a tool for examining and mounting partitions on my hard disk, specifcially my ntfs ones...
[05:22] <xenonite> Lathiat, okay... is difference in applications, too?
[05:22] <Lathiat> xenonite: a few, but you could just apt-get update to those
[05:23] <WW> xenonite: There is a web page about pre-release vs. release. Someone will probably give it here before I can find it... :)
[05:24] <WW> xenonite: The differences are minor.
[05:24] <Gmail> WOOOt a splashscreen for gnome has shown
[05:24] <|progenic|> ogra
[05:24] <xenonite> alrigh thanks
[05:24] <|progenic|> but in the synaptic there is a space to put in our proxy rite
[05:24] <|progenic|> after i put my proxy cannot work
[05:25] <|progenic|> :(
[05:25] <stodge> Still can't get nvidia glx
[05:25] <_req_> anyone? tool for examining/mounting partitions on my harddisk?
[05:25] <GotD0t> _req_ what type of partitions?
[05:25] <_req_> sorry for the real basic question :)
[05:25] <_req_> ntfs
[05:26] <philipp1> ww: since i created a second profile for firefox, and then deleted the folder of this new identity in my /home/yourusername/.mozilla/firefox because firefox always started with the new identity and i did not know how to reach the other one anymore, i did not encounter the problem again.
[05:26] <meff> _req_: look into sysresccd.org
[05:26] <WW> xenonite: Here it is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[05:26] <GotD0t> _req_ you're going to need to edit /etc/fstab, do you know which hda# they are?
[05:26] <_req_> nope, well I know one is hda1 but the other i dont, hence the question to be able to look
[05:27] <stvn> _req_: cfdisk will sho the configureation of your harddisc
[05:27] <meff> ahh you want to mount..
[05:27] <meff> n/m then _req_ :)
[05:27] <_req_> n/m?
[05:27] <meff> nevermind
[05:28] <_req_> ahh
[05:28] <ogra> |progenic|: the address is right ?
[05:28] <WW> philipp1: Thanks.  I'll exeperiment with profiles.
[05:28] <philipp1> halo ploum de belgique :-)
[05:28] <|progenic|> correct address
[05:28] <|progenic|> i've checked it a lot of time
[05:28] <ogra> |progenic|: port too ?
[05:29] <xenonite> WW, thx
[05:29] <_req_> hmmm ok they mount but i get an error
[05:29] <stvn> _req_: anyway, sudo cfdisk /dev/hda should give more insight
[05:29] <_req_> you do not have enough permissions
[05:29] <|progenic|> i think i just use the apt-get one
[05:29] <|progenic|> it's ok 
[05:29] <mojo> hi all ppl
[05:29] <_req_> whats the error about?
[05:29] <stvn> _req_: sudo mount -t ntfs /device /destination
[05:29] <_req_> yup did that
[05:29] <stvn> _req_: you can not mount as normal user
[05:30] <mojo> does any1 know what repository to get the FireFox 1.0 PR deb?
[05:30] <_req_> yeah i did sudo
[05:30] <_req_> and it reads the volume, it says ho wmuch space is free
[05:30] <mojo> does any1 know what repository to get the FireFox 1.0 PR deb (the one that has been removed in final release)
[05:30] <ogra> mojo: there is none
[05:30] <_req_> but i cant browse it
[05:30] <meff> mojo: its very buggy, security patches have been backported into ubuntu's version
[05:30] <stvn> _req_: ah ok, unmount it and add -o umask=000
[05:30] <_req_> i get the error, do not have permissions
[05:30] <_req_> to the end of mount?
[05:30] <|progenic|> anybody, can help me with this prob, when i'm trying to install webmin, it has dependency with openssl but it's written that it's not installable
[05:31] <lypanov> anyone any idea why my iwlist scan wouldn't see anything?
[05:31] <|progenic|> how to solve this prob ?
[05:31] <mojo> how about repsository for nexy Hoary?
[05:31] <lypanov> and yeah. if i had working network. i'd ask google :P
[05:31] <ploum> hello philipp1 
[05:31] <ploum> :)
[05:31] <meff> mojo: not open yet, takes quite a bit of work
[05:31] <mojo> ok thx
[05:31] <Gmail> hmm where is modconf
[05:31] <Gmail> i was told it in universe
[05:31] <ogra> |progenic|: there seems something wrong, i got openssl on al my systems
[05:31] <_req_> one last question - i hope - unmoutnting? accomplished via?
[05:31] <tof_> ploum ploum !!
[05:32] <|progenic|> T_T
[05:32] <meff> _req_: umount
[05:32] <SmokingFire> Ok, I got I weird problem I think, I'm not able to play streaming media nor do I hear sounds. I just installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:32] <_req_> cheers
[05:32] <stvn> _req_: nope, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 (oh and please put stvn in front of line if you talk to me, otherwise I might not notice you talking)
[05:32] <ploum> hm... there's no way to rename my eth0 in wlan :-(
[05:32] <ploum> (with driverloader from linuxant)
[05:32] <mojo> I'm having trouble with the PATH in /etc/profile to link to Sun JDK bin, can some1 give me the config statement or configured file so I can learn how to config?
[05:33] <Gmail> hmm where is modconf?
[05:33] <meff> mojo: add after the first PATH statement: PATH="$PATH:/wherever/java/bin"
[05:33] <mojo> let me try
[05:33] <stvn> hehe
[05:34] <Gmail> anyone know where modconf is ?
[05:34] <|progenic|> is ubuntu cannot support to read fat32 ?
[05:34] <|progenic|> i can't open my directory
[05:34] <meff> |progenic|: mount -t vfat /dev/hdwhatever /mnt/whatever
[05:34] <GotD0t> progenic read me your fstab line?
[05:34] <mojo> meff: how to active the profile without restart?
[05:35] <meff> mojo: relogin, i know theres another way but i dont remember atm
[05:35] <|progenic|> wait
[05:35] <|progenic|> where is the fstab ?
[05:35] <SmokingFire> how do I make my pci souncard my primary sound device
[05:35] <mojo> /etc/fstab
[05:35] <stvn> |progenic|: /etc/fstab
[05:36] <|progenic|> actually i haven't config my partition
[05:36] <|progenic|> i mean my fat32 into it
[05:36] <|progenic|> i usually use webmin
[05:36] <stvn> |progenic|: how did you mount your fat32 disc?
[05:36] <ogra> |progenic|: did you run apt-get update before trying webmin ?
[05:36] <|progenic|> but since i cannot install webmin due to the error message stated that openssl is not installable
[05:37] <meff> man mkfs.vfat to initialize a partition to fat32
[05:37] <|progenic|> ok
[05:38] <|progenic|> all of my directory is just seems like unknown file
[05:38] <|progenic|> all files have the foot icon
[05:38] <stvn> |progenic|: there's something wrong with the permissions, how did you mount the partition?
[05:38] <_req_> stvn: cheers
[05:38] <stvn> _req_: np
[05:39] <_req_> stvn: but how do i make it auto mount at boot, i put somthing in my fstab right?
[05:39] <|progenic|> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/C
[05:39] <phill> hi. how well would ubuntu run on a 233mmx laptop with 96mb of ram? and what can i do to make it a little faster. needed for web browsing/gaim/irc
[05:39] <|progenic|> usually i use webmin to do the stuff
[05:39] <stvn> |progenic|: ok add -o umask=000 after vfat
[05:39] <meff> phill: should be ok, if you dont use gnome or kde
[05:39] <stvn> _req_: yes
[05:39] <phill> what should i use then?
[05:39] <meff> phill: if you use x stick to a very light wm
[05:40] <meff> phill: fluxbox or wmaker for example
[05:40] <_req_> stvn: sorry really new to linux so bear with me, what do i put?
[05:40] <phill> such as?
[05:40] <phill> ok thankyou
[05:40] <stvn> _req_: /dev/device /destination vfat dafaults 0 0
[05:40] <_req_> stvn: and best way to edit fstab?
[05:40] <stvn> _req_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:40] <_req_> stvn: again cheers
[05:40] <|progenic|> thx
[05:40] <|progenic|> i still have one prob
[05:40] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:40] <|progenic|> the openssl
[05:40] <|progenic|> :(
[05:41] <stvn> _req_: this mounts tham at boot time, you can also chose that you mount it later
[05:41] <|jvs|> hmm...another
[05:41] <|progenic|> i cannot install webmin as it stated that openssl is not installable
[05:41] <|progenic|> :(
[05:41] <ogra> |progenic|: again, did you rung apt-get update before trying to install ?
[05:41] <|progenic|> yeah
[05:41] <|jvs|> question: is there a way to avoid the extra packages being installed?
[05:41] <|progenic|> i've run it
[05:41] <_req_> stvn: looking a my fstab what are the options I have here?
[05:41] <meff> |jvs|: boot the install with the word 'custom'
[05:41] <|jvs|> meff: I did
[05:42] <stvn> _req_: many, man fstab gives you an overview
[05:42] <meff> what is trying to install pkgs?
[05:42] <ogra> |progenic|: did it load anything ? openssl is in main and should always be there
[05:42] <|jvs|> meff: but every time I install the base system, it also tries to install the extra packages in the end
[05:42] <stvn> _req_: but the important ones are ro/rw noauto user
[05:43] <will> stvn: i get umount: /mnt/c: device is busy when i try and umount - how do i see what is using this mounted drive?
[05:43] <|jvs|> meff: everything works fine up to 95%
[05:43] <meff> |jvs|: hmm, i just hit ctrl-c when it does that, and then it bails out and gives me a login
[05:43] <|jvs|> roger that
[05:43] <stvn> will: lsof | grep /mnt/c might help
[05:44] <ogra> WW: what about firefox, do you file a bug or should i ?
[05:44] <GotD0t> does anybody know an RSS aggregator that has native https support?
[05:44] <|progenic|> ogra: ehm.............u mean when i'm starting running linux ? 
[05:44] <will> stvn; just get a prompt again from that
[05:44] <philipp1> how can i have the original firefox icon in the menubar ?
[05:44] <WW> ogra: Go for it.  I was just wondering... did you install from the final warty, or from pre-release?
[05:45] <ogra> |progenic|: no, i mean it is in the main repository, so your package manager shoud always kow about it
[05:45] <stvn> will: hm, if you have a terminal with path /mnt/c or nautilus pointing to it the device willl not umount
[05:45] <ogra> WW: pre and upgraded on release day
[05:46] <stvn> will: and they don't show in lsof that way
[05:46] <|progenic|> ok, i try to install xmms, and xine from apt-get, seems like all the dependencies cannot be installed
[05:46] <|progenic|> :(
[05:46] <|progenic|> i think this is more general problem
[05:46] <|progenic|> not just the openssl
[05:46] <stvn> |progenic|: indeed, do a reload on synaptic
[05:46] <|progenic|> nope, i do this in console
[05:46] <stvn> |progenic|: and check if all the required repositories are open
[05:46] <WW> ogra: Same here.  I'm not sure if that matters.
[05:47] <stvn> |progenic|: sudo apt-get update then
[05:48] <will> stvn: the error comes up twice, not just once which is strange
[05:48] <|progenic|> i'll try thx
[05:48] <philipp1> ploum: ask on the support mailinglist
[05:48] <stvn> will: it always does
[05:49] <will> stvn: it cant be xchat?
[05:49] <stvn> will: not unless you pointed it to /mnt/c at some point
[05:49] <stvn> will: you don't have any terminal open?
[05:50] <will> yeah the one im typing in on
[05:50] <stvn> will: do cd / there
[05:50] <stvn> will: and no nautilus windows open?
[05:50] <will> stvn: same thing, and no nautilus open
[05:51] <stvn> will: what other programs are you running besides xchat?
[05:51] <will> stvn: nothing
[05:52] <stvn> hm
[05:52] <will> strange huh
[05:52] <stvn> will: sudo umount -f /mnt/c
[05:52] <|jvs|> damnit
[05:52] <will> umount2: Device or resource busy
[05:52] <will> umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted
[05:52] <will> umount: /mnt/c: Illegal seek
[05:52] <will> umount2: Device or resource busy
[05:52] <will> umount: /mnt/c: device is busy
[05:53] <stvn> will: very strange
[05:53] <stvn> will: it's a clean ubuntu install?
[05:53] <xenonite> will: reboot? it will umount for sure *g*
[05:53] <|jvs|> meff, didnt work...it freezes when it comes to install the extra packages
[05:54] <will> stvn: not clean been running for about one month
[05:54] <will> xenonite: yes thats true but i shouldnt have to do that!
[05:55] <stvn> will: don't know then, but i gotto go, sorry
[05:55] <will> np, will reboot!
[05:55] <will> laters!
[05:56] <Gmail> ohh crap that will cause another netspilt
[05:57] <Gmail> but a bit more long lasting
[05:58] <philipp1> what do you all use for P2P ?
[05:58] <Gmail> bit torrent
[05:59] <Gmail> or a girl
[05:59] <philipp1> a girl is a p2p app :-) ?
[05:59] <Gmail> peer to peer
[05:59] <philipp1> i see ...
[05:59] <Gmail> human to human
[05:59] <Gmail> lol
[06:00] <xenonite> philipp1, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BitTorrent
[06:00] <philipp1> funny
[06:00] <ogra> Gmail: VoA ?
[06:00] <muhv> have someone tryed to install ati drivers to ubuntu?
[06:02] <muhv> i have hard time to get 3d support with my 9600 radeon
[06:02] <xenonite> will, alright then?
[06:02] <philipp1> thanks xenonite; although the way they describe bittorrent there is exactly how all mule/donkey versions i know are working too ...
[06:03] <philipp1> and i always thought bittorrent has no inbuilt search ?
[06:03] <xenonite> philipp1, you could look for azureus
[06:03] <stodge> Is there a package with the binary executable for glade--?
[06:03] <iz> muhv, read this http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:03] <xenonite> philipp1, no you search on the web for the torrent-files, like ubuntu has a torrent file
[06:04] <ogra> stodge: do you mean glademm ?
[06:04] <philipp1> why the aggravation when other apps have everything in the car ?
[06:04] <stodge> Yes - I have libglademm, but I don't see glademm
[06:04] <xenonite> bittorrent is opensource
[06:04] <Lathiat> hmm, vino kills my laptop
[06:04] <philipp1> amule too
[06:04] <Lathiat> gives 100% cpu usage while in use :P
[06:04] <Lathiat> lags up
[06:04] <Lathiat> heh
[06:05] <xenonite> philipp1, so - take it if you prefer it
[06:05] <Gmail> WTF
[06:05] <Gmail> gnome wasnt installed
[06:05] <philipp1> it does not work on my ubuntu ...
[06:05] <ogra> stodge: what would you expect from a binary called galdemm ?
[06:05] <Gmail> only some of it
[06:05] <stodge> The executable glade--
[06:06] <Lathiat> Gmail: because your install is fucked, jesus
[06:06] <iz> yes son
[06:06] <stodge> Unless I'm misunderstanding something
[06:07] <ogra> stodge: never heard of somthing like that, glademm is a language binding for programmin c++ with gnome
[06:07] <mcdado> i didn't find how to unmount
[06:07] <muhv> is these fglrx stable?
[06:07] <xenonite> mcdado, umount
[06:07] <mcdado> ah umount... i was typing unmount
[06:08] <stodge> Ok so I'm creating a Gnome window using hte Glade interface designer. I chose to use C++, so when I try to generate code using the program, it tells me...
[06:08] <stodge> Error running glade-- to generate the C++ source code.
[06:08] <PenguinBoy> Morning Guys!
[06:08] <stodge> Check that you have glade-- installed and that it is in your PATH.
[06:08] <stodge> Then try running 'glade-- <project_file.glade>' in a terminal.
[06:09] <ogra> stodge: have you got libglademm2.0-dev installed ?
[06:10] <stodge> Yes - it doesn't include glade--
[06:10] <philipp1> penguinboy :-)
[06:10] <PenguinBoy> hey philippl
[06:10] <philipp1> why am i blue ?
[06:11] <philipp1> do you see me blue too ?
[06:11] <PenguinBoy> i see you as blue
[06:11] <WW> philipp1: No, you are green.
[06:11] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:11] <philipp1> why are you green ?
[06:11] <PenguinBoy> colored nicks
[06:11] <philipp1> who colours ?
[06:11] <PenguinBoy> a setting in X-Chat
[06:12] <PenguinBoy> are you on X-Chat?
[06:12] <philipp1> mmm dunno
[06:12] <iz> lsd?
[06:12] <PenguinBoy> Setttings...Preferences....Text Box...Colored Nicks
[06:12] <philipp1> ah gaim ... looks like the aol spamware, the icon ...
[06:12] <philipp1> but it works
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> you are using gaim to communicate with us?????
[06:13] <philipp1> what does lsd stand for ?
[06:13] <philipp1> yes
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> odd
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> i did not think you could do that with gaim
[06:13] <ogra> phill: a drug ?
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:13] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:14] <iz> lsd is something from the 60ties
[06:14] <WW> gaim here: Application->Internet->Gaim...
[06:14] <ogra> phill: makes nicks colored *g*
[06:14] <Gmail> Lathiat: isnt that already understude?
[06:14] <philipp1> ah, something from hal's time ...
[06:15] <Gmail> night
[06:15] <Lathiat> Gmail: yes, so stop fucking comkplaining about it being broken because we cant fix shit if its not setup in any kind of standard way
[06:15] <Lathiat> night
[06:15] <Gmail> 100MB to d/l
[06:15] <philipp1> sleep tight
[06:15] <PenguinBoy> gaim is an instant messenger....I wonder how it logs onto an mIRC chat>
[06:15] <Gmail> Lathiat: i know its not your fualt
[06:15] <Gmail> PenguinBoy: HU?
[06:16] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: It does have IRC capabilities
[06:16] <PenguinBoy> wow
[06:16] <PenguinBoy> I did not know this!
[06:16] <PenguinBoy> amazing!
[06:16] <Lathiat> PenguinBoy: it can do, tho something like xchat is probably better suited
[06:16] <Phr0stByte> true
[06:16] <Eno_> gaim can create "chat rooms" windows
[06:16] <Gmail> gaim doesnt even have /who
[06:16] <PenguinBoy> you learn something everyday!!!
[06:17] <Lathiat> :)
[06:17] <Gmail> lol
[06:17] <PenguinBoy> I thought mIRC chat was limited to apps like X-Chat and Bitch
[06:17] <WW> Gmail: what is /who?
[06:17] <Gmail> gaim is your werst nightmare once you use a real irc client
[06:17] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: stop saying mIRC
[06:17] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: just IRC
[06:17] <izaac> try irssi or bitchX
[06:17] <Gmail> WW: do /who *freenode*
[06:18] <philipp1> penguinboy: i always wake up on the wrong boat ...
[06:18] <Gmail> night
[06:18] <PenguinBoy> night
[06:18] <ogra> phill: so it's actually lsd
[06:18] <WW> Gmail: Um, like you just said, gaim doesn't have /who, so that doesn't appear to work!
[06:19] <port7> glad to see the nekkid people have gone from the artwork
[06:19] <Phr0stByte> lol
[06:19] <PenguinBoy> terrible
[06:19] <PenguinBoy> i liked the nekkid people
[06:19] <philipp1> ogra why are you _grey_ ... ?
[06:19] <ogra> PenguinBoy: they are still there :)
[06:19] <port7> i don't mind nekkidness but they looked a little cheesy
[06:19] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:19] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:19] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:19] <port7> all that smiling...
[06:19] <Eno_> i wanted the naked background i saw in the screenshots
[06:19] <Eno_> but i can't find it
[06:20] <Phr0stByte> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[06:20] <Lathiat> Whats up with it Phr0stByte 
[06:20] <ogra> phill: i'm the grey eminence of your conciousness ;)
[06:20] <Phr0stByte> Lathiat: trying to recreate something I did in only a couple hours in C++
[06:21] <philipp1> the nekkid is very much inside ubuntu ...
[06:21] <Phr0stByte> Lathiat: I guess its just too new to me
[06:21] <PenguinBoy> the nekkid people are missing from my desktop background listing
[06:21] <port7> Eno_: is there not an archive of old artwork?
[06:21] <Lathiat> Phr0stByte: yeh helps to be used to the language
[06:21] <Eno_> port7: i dont know
[06:21] <ogra> Eno_: install ubuntu-calendar
[06:21] <Phr0stByte> Lathiat: http://www.scapegoatsoftware.com/img/gostop-menu-1.jpg
[06:22] <philipp1> ogra you are already inside me ;?)
[06:22] <Lathiat> ah
[06:22] <ogra> phill: lol
[06:22] <Eno_> ogra: thanks :)
[06:23] <Eno_> ogra: it has it
[06:23] <Eno_> now everyone will think i'm strange 
[06:23] <ogra> Eno_: yep, if you switch on the monthly calendar, you'll have a new one every month :)
[06:23] <Eno_> hehe
[06:23] <Eno_> ah
[06:24] <PenguinBoy> i wonder if November will have nekkid people????
[06:25] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:25] <Eno_> i hope so :)
[06:25] <PenguinBoy> lol
[06:25] <PenguinBoy> maybe a little more nejjid
[06:25] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: resolution is ok now tx, 
[06:25] <PenguinBoy> nekkid
[06:25] <muhv> tnx guys, i got fglrx-driver working, but are they stable? are there any drawbacks compared to default ati module?
[06:25] <WW> PenguinBoy: Hmmm... If that's how it goes, March should be really interesting.
[06:25] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: nps
[06:26] <PenguinBoy> LOL WW!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:27] <philipp1> i'm wondering if you would do some demographics, if debian/ubuntu people are predominantly evangelical/protestant: the (opensource-) purity doctrine: no evil movie formats, p2p is suspect, barely in the known "universe" out there ... ?
[06:27] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: Now i'd like to know how I can install the nvidia-kernel module, do I have to enter the path to linux-source ?
[06:27] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: afaik its already in the kernel
[06:28] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: no no only the open source one
[06:28] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: not the binaries from nvdia
[06:28] <Lathiat> the open source one is included in xfree86
[06:28] <Lathiat> and the closed source one is included in ubuntu as well
[06:28] <Lathiat> afaik
[06:28] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: yup but it doesn't accelerate 3d
[06:28] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: doom3 won't load with it
[06:29] <ogra> HomoAcridien: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <HomoAcridien> ogra: oki i will have a look
[06:30] <HomoAcridien> ogra: are they open source ?!? no 
[06:30] <Lathiat> HomoAcridien: not the official ones....
[06:30] <ogra> HomoAcridien: no, they are the nvidia ones
[06:30] <stodge> e.g. http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1243946/com/glademm-2.0.0-1mdk.i586.rpm.html
[06:31] <phill> wow
[06:31] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: you jsut rename them :D
[06:31] <phill> ubuntu is uuugly at low res
[06:31] <HomoAcridien> phill: no
[06:31] <phill> yes :( 800x600, looks poo. looks nice at 1280 on my box
[06:32] <phill> oh wait
[06:32] <phill> its 540 and my laptop was stretching
[06:32] <phill> sorry
[06:32] <phill> stupid x
[06:32] <phill> whats the way to increase the res of x, ctrl+shift + ?
[06:33] <ogra> stodge: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/glademm it's in debian but missing in ubuntu.....drop a mail to ubuntu-devel to get it included
[06:33] <HomoAcridien> phill: lol a monitor that stretch never see that before
[06:34] <stodge> ok thanks
[06:35] <phill> its an lcd/laptop
[06:35] <phill> its a hardware thing
[06:36] <thak> hey there...anyone have any experience in installing the binary ATI drivers in Ubuntu?  I followed the steps in the FAQ, but can't get more than 300FPS in glxgears...  HELP!!  ;-)
[06:36] <ogra> thak: did you follow this one ? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <thak> Yup.
[06:37] <thak> And X boots and everything, using the fglrx driver in  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:37] <thak> it's just that when i run glxgears, i get NOTHING resembling performance...
[06:39] <thak> when i do an 'lsmod', i can see fglrx in the list...
[06:40] <geppy> I've just installed Ubuntu for the first time...  How do you set your root password?  I didn't see an option for it in either the installer, or the base-config.
[06:40] <thak> ubuntu doesn't set a root password--the expectation is that you'll use "sudo <necessary root command>" whenever you need to do something as root.
[06:40] <thak> it's not a bug, it's a feature.  ;-)
[06:41] <sparkx> open a root terminal, and type passwd
[06:41] <thak> or you could just do that.  ;-)
[06:41] <sparkx> :D
[06:41] <sparkx> some things work out better if there is an actual root password
[06:41] <thak> ogra:  do you have an ATI card on your box?
[06:41] <Lathiat> sparkx: Give an example?
[06:41] <maswan> sparkx: really? like waht?
[06:41] <sparkx> installing webmin for instance
[06:42] <Lathiat> why do you need a root password for that?
[06:42] <Eno_> what is the purpose of using sudo instead of root? for easyness? is there security reasons?
[06:42] <geppy> No, I've Nvidia, and I'm familiar with the drivers, etc.
[06:42] <Lathiat> Eno_: security is one
[06:42] <sparkx> it wants to set the password to the root password when it installs.
[06:42] <WW> geppy: See #15 under Support: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[06:42] <sparkx> if there isn't one, it can cause an error.
[06:42] <geppy> I'm confused; by leaving the root password blank, it's more secure?  That sounds silly.
[06:42] <sparkx> or you just have a root user with no password
[06:42] <Lathiat> then thats a bug in webmin :P
[06:42] <thak> root user with NO password means you can't remote into the box.  and can't log in to the console as root, either
[06:43] <thak> it's actually MORE secure.
[06:43] <maswan> geppy: by disabling password-based root logins, it makes it more secure, yes.
[06:43] <sparkx> they haven't left it blank, they have disabled root, which is more secure.
[06:43] <sparkx> well, they have left it blank, and disabled it.
[06:43] <Eno_> i guess it makes it easier also, by only needing one password
[06:43] <geppy> Let me be more specific;  I'm not trying to log in as root;  I'm trying to run su so that I can mount other drives, and install my nvidia drivers.
[06:44] <sparkx> oh, with su, just use your password.
[06:44] <geppy> Oh.
[06:44] <geppy> Thanks.  :)
[06:44] <iz> use sudo apt-get install file
[06:44] <maswan> sparkx: have they wrapped su to be sudo-based?
[06:44] <sparkx> i have no idea. i have only just started to use ubuntu myself and ran into the webmin thing.
[06:44] <WW> geppy: Use sudo to install nvidia drivers: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:45] <geppy> Apparently not;  su is blocked?
[06:45] <maswan> geppy: sudo -s to get a root shell. or sudo su -
[06:45] <HomoAcridien> sudo mount
[06:45] <Lathiat> geppy: su doesnt work because there is no root password, hence you use sudo su
[06:45] <HomoAcridien> no?
[06:45] <maswan> geppy: or just sudo mount; sudo make install
[06:45] <thak> stupid question--what's the easiest way to mount local windows partitions?  does ubuntu have any native tools?  (or do I get to manually edit /etc/fstab like usual?)
[06:46] <geppy> Thanks, guys.
[06:46] <geppy> Is it NTFS?
[06:46] <xenonite> the gtk2 applications look very good, but the gtk1-apps look different. how can i apply the same theme?
[06:46] <will> thak: you have to edit
[06:46] <HomoAcridien> geppy: it works ?
[06:46] <geppy> If it's NTFS, you'll need to install the NTFS kernel module.
[06:46] <geppy> HomoAcridienL: yes, thanks.  =D
[06:46] <thak> alright--another stupid question--my sound worked fine out of the box.  then, i did an apt-get update and sound doesn't work any more.  thoughts?
[06:47] <thak> (apt-get dist-upgrade, i mean)
[06:47] <thak> geppy:  how do i install that kernel module?
[06:47] <geppy> thak:  one second
[06:48] <HomoAcridien> geppy: beware that some arguments like > are bash related so if you run bash as user it won't work
[06:48] <geppy> Sorry, this is my first time with ubuntu:  I don't see any ntfs modules in the default repository:  I'd say ask someone with more experience.  If they can't help you, I can help you install it from source.
[06:48] <HomoAcridien> geppy: i.e. if you want to write in a root file
[06:48] <geppy> HomoAcridien: Oh, alright.  Thanks.  =)
[06:49] <GotD0t> i think the ntfs modules come preinstalled
[06:49] <geppy> Oh, cool.
[06:50] <GotD0t> all you need is the proper options in fstab
[06:50] <geppy> Just out of curiosity:  Why doesn't XMMS come preinstalled?  Is it assumed that people are migrating to iTunes like programs?
[06:50] <GotD0t> no clue geppy, but its easy
[06:50] <geppy> Yeah.
[06:51] <GotD0t> i love xmms... minimalism is key
[06:51] <stodge> glade-- bug already raised: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2201
[06:51] <thak> yeah.  i just got an ntfs partition mounted using fstab.
[06:52] <thak> any thoughts on the sound just "going away"?  anything for me to check out?
[06:52] <__daniel> re
[06:53] <GotD0t> geppy, do you know how to get your partition(s) mounted?
[06:53] <geppy> Yes.
[06:53] <GotD0t> k
[06:55] <sparkx> thak: did you check the volume control? it sounds silly, but that one got me before.
[06:55] <GotD0t> thak: are you surre your programs are pointing to the correct audio device
[06:56] <phill> hmmm, when i installed ubuntu i selected only 800x600 for the x config, and in my XF86CONFIG-4 only 800x600 is mentioned, yet it won't let me select anything buy 640x480, what can i do?
[06:59] <adam_> hey whats the deal with iPod support for Linux?
[06:59] <gepp1> http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/
[07:00] <gepp1> Is there any difference in performance between installing the nvidia driver manually, versus installing it via apt-get?
[07:00] <thak> *laugh*  yeah. must be the volume control.  it's working now.  ;-)
[07:00] <sparkx> hahaha
[07:00] <ogra> gepp1: you mean by dpkg ?
[07:00] <gepp1> I'm assuming they're the same thing, but aliased?
[07:00] <phill> hmmm, when i installed ubuntu i selected only 800x600 for the x config, and in my XF86CONFIG-4 only 800x600 is mentioned, yet it won't let me select anything buy 640x480, what can i do?
[07:01] <ogra> phill: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 
[07:02] <phill> ok
[07:02] <mirak_> any devs around?
[07:02] <gepp1> ogra: I'm assuming they're the same thing, but aliased?
[07:03] <ogra> gepp1: dunno which files you are comparing, the linux-restricted-modules file vs what ?
[07:03] <__daniel> mirak_, i'n no ubuntu developer, but what's your problem anyway?
[07:04] <gepp1> I'm not sure which I'd need to install via dpkg to get the same effect.
[07:04] <mirak_> __daniel, since i have upgraded ti final release.....i have no sound
[07:04] <gepp1> Have you checked your volume levels?
[07:04] <mirak_> yup
[07:05] <__daniel> mirak_, can you find /dev/dsp ?
[07:05] <mirak_> 1 sec
[07:05] <ogra> gepp1: you'll only be able to install ubuntu packages with either dpkg or apt-get so there is only one coice :)
[07:05] <thomerz> hi, i have a question, is it possible to install a german language pack for openoffice with apt-get without deinstaling openoffice before?
[07:05] <gepp1> heh  :)
[07:06] <__daniel> thomerz, of course
[07:06] <mirak_> __daniel, it says there was an error launching this app
[07:06] <adam_> is there a way to disable the lid switch? so that if i close it, linux won't turn the monitor off?
[07:06] <gepp1> thomerz: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-de
[07:06] <adam_> its cause issues with my laptop
[07:06] <thomerz> i've googled for it but didn't find something that works
[07:06] <__daniel> mirak_, launch that app from the console and have a look at   'dmesg'   outpu
[07:06] <ogra> gepp1: you could mess around with the original nvidia drivers, but this can break a lot and nobody can support you then....
[07:07] <LinuxJones> thomerz, apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-de that will give you german language support
[07:07] <mirak_> __daniel, i cant launch it
[07:07] <thomerz> ah thx geppl and LinuxJones ;))
[07:07] <phill> after dpkg-reconfiger xserver, how do i restart x?
[07:07] <__daniel> mirak_, what does it say in the console?
[07:07] <gepp1> ogra:  So, am I supposed to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386, as well as nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, and nvidia-settings?
[07:07] <mirak_> __daniel, permision deniad......and a command not found with sudo
[07:08] <gepp1> phill: log out and log back in, or just reboot.
[07:08] <phill> logout does close x...
[07:08] <__daniel> phill, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:08] <ogra> gepp1: -settings and -dev are addons i think...
[07:08] <__daniel> mirak_, but what's up with your sound? doesnt it work at all?
[07:09] <gepp1> ogra:  Right. :)
[07:09] <thomerz> what have i to install for german spellchecking?
[07:09] <mirak_> __daniel, the only time i can get any sound out of my speakers is when i turn up the "microphone" volume lvl, but it is only static
[07:09] <ogra> thomerz: myspell-de
[07:09] <gepp1> thomerz: sudo apt-get install myspell-de-de
[07:09] <gepp1> heh
[07:09] <gepp1> :)
[07:10] <thomerz> k thx ;)
[07:10] <mirak_> __daniel, i dont even get sytem sounds anymore
[07:10] <lypanov> wtf do i have 3 second ssh times and 0 second ping times?
[07:10] <lypanov> windows works flawlessly!
[07:10] <gepp1> ogra:  do you have to log out of x to install the nvidia packages via dpkg, or is it fine to do it from x?
[07:10] <__daniel> mirak_, lsmod | grep -E "(snd|sound|spkr)"
[07:11] <thak> hey mirak, try firing up the sound recorder and then going into the mixer.  i was having the same problem until i got in there and tweaked it...
[07:11] <|jvs|> well
[07:11] <gepp1> lypanov:  Use Windows, then.
[07:11] <|jvs|> its not the cd, its the installer
[07:11] <lypanov> gepp1: i wish this shit wasn't quite so fucking lame
[07:11] <|jvs|> cannot fix it
[07:11] <ogra> gepp1: you can do it from x but then reboot as soon as possible
[07:11] <thomerz> n1 all here now i wanted ;) thx
[07:11] <|jvs|> back to gentoo :) see you when the next version comes out
[07:11] <lypanov> |jvs|: whats the prob?
[07:11] <gepp1> ogra:  Alright, thanks.  :)
[07:12] <ogra> gepp1: already read this ? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <lypanov> |jvs|: i'm really happy after my switch from gentoo to ubuntu :)
[07:12] <|jvs|> it keeeeeepps freezing
[07:12] <flash`> yo need help..
[07:12] <phill> cool thanks, that did it!@
[07:12] <|jvs|> installer: 95% when trying to install extra packages
[07:12] <lypanov> |jvs|: dmesg shows anything useful?
[07:12] <lypanov> ah
[07:12] <lypanov> networking?
[07:12] <gepp1> egads... Ubuntu doesn't have the middle-click to load a URL feature!
[07:12] <flash`> I got a white dot big like 1 pixel on my desktop that doesnt go away ..
[07:12] <lypanov> |jvs|: cd is broken?
[07:12] <neodreams> I can't find Bluefish in synaptic
[07:12] <neodreams> strange
[07:13] <|jvs|> lypanov: I guess not, tried another one
[07:13] <flash`> neodreams, uncommented universe?
[07:13] <GotD0t-work> flash' what kind of monitor is it?
[07:13] <lypanov> |jvs|: ouch :/
[07:13] <flash`> GotD0t-work, LCD
[07:13] <lypanov> |jvs|: gentoo install from cd works fine?
[07:13] <lypanov> |jvs|: maybe something in the kernel
[07:13] <GotD0t-work> flash' probably just a dead pixel
[07:13] <lypanov> justdave: which kernel did u use with gentoo?
[07:13] <lypanov> s/justdavce/jvs/
[07:13] <lypanov> sorry
[07:13] <flash`> GotD0t-work, I get this only when I am in gnome.. not elsewhere
[07:13] <GotD0t-work> flash` oh, hmm
[07:13] <flash`> GotD0t-work, I got a ViewSonic that is 1 month old..
[07:13] <|jvs|> lypanov: yes...Ill burn a third cd as soon as grub is back (which ubuntu f*cked up)
[07:13] <lypanov> flash`: white dot can't be dead pixel :)
[07:14] <lypanov> |jvs|: ouch
[07:14] <adam_> when i try to compile gtkpod, it says i need a new version of id3, so i got id3 0.15.1b and it says "c++ preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check" what does that mean?
[07:14] <lypanov> |jvs|: on my ickle box grub fucked up also
[07:14] <flash`> right..
[07:14] <GotD0t-work> white?
[07:14] <SmokingFire> I'm using now knoppix for recovery however ubuntu for normal desktop use. Is ubuntu livecd on par with knoppix?
[07:14] <lypanov> |jvs|: tho not ubuntu's fault
[07:14] <flash`> yea it is white
[07:14] <GotD0t-work> oh nvm then
[07:14] <GotD0t-work> hah
[07:14] <lypanov> |jvs|: grub doesn't like my desktop machine i think :(
[07:14] <lypanov> doubletwist: :P
[07:14] <lypanov> gr
[07:14] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: "got dot" :P
[07:14] <ogra> |jvs|: burn single speed, could help
[07:14] <lypanov> ogra: good advice
[07:14] <lypanov> still
[07:14] <|jvs|> well, I guess as soon as I insert the windows cd it will correct the boat loader
[07:14] <lypanov> 95% every time?
[07:14] <geppy> adam_: did you try using dpkg/apt to isntall it?
[07:14] <geppy> *install
[07:14] <lypanov> u checked your md5sum for the .iso?
[07:15] <|jvs|> lypanov: yeah...custom, expert, whatever
[07:15] <lypanov> ouch
[07:15] <lypanov> sounds like something else then...
[07:15] <lypanov> oh
[07:15] <lypanov> how much memory?
[07:15] <|jvs|> 512MB DDR
[07:15] <thak> i'll keep patching ubuntu and come back in a little while when the radeon stuff works--can't afford to replace my 9700pro right now with an nvidia card--which seems to be "the answer"...
[07:15] <adam_> uh... /lib/cpp exists, its a symbolic link to /usr/bin/cpp-3.3
[07:15] <|jvs|> its a notebook though
[07:15] <lypanov> hehe ok
[07:15] <lypanov> thats not the prob then :P
[07:15] <lypanov> yeah...
[07:15] <lypanov> who has a sony viao *and* an ibook?
[07:15] <|jvs|> heh...iBooks are not worth it
[07:16] <lypanov> |jvs|: how come?
[07:16] <|jvs|> get a power book
[07:16] <ogra> lypanov: sony is enough :)
[07:16] <lypanov> what about the new g4's?
[07:16] <lypanov> ogra: viao is 1700 euros, ibook is 1000 :/
[07:16] <lypanov> ogra: the viao is *GORGEOUS* though :P
[07:16] <GotD0t-work> viao?
[07:17] <ogra> lypanov: similar setup ?
[07:17] <lypanov> ogra: yeah more or less
[07:17] <|jvs|> my toshiba cost 1400, the ibook with the ~same~hardware would cost me 2050,- EUR
[07:17] <lypanov> ogra: well no. 14 viao vs 12 ibook
[07:17] <lypanov> |jvs|: battery life on the toshiba?
[07:17] <ogra> lypanov: was just wondering
[07:17] <lypanov> i want ~ 6 hours ish
[07:17] <|jvs|> 4 hours :)
[07:18] <flash`> nobody knows about "white dots" ?
[07:18] <lypanov> ogra: the viao is cuter i admit... but for 400 euros more?
[07:18] <JanneM> I considered both a vaio and an iBook
[07:18] <lypanov> i don't even need a fast computer
[07:18] <lypanov> JanneM: hehe
[07:18] <JanneM> vaio T and iBook 12"
[07:18] <lypanov> i only code
[07:18] <lypanov> don't need something fast
[07:18] <lypanov> don't even compile
[07:18] <JanneM> in the end, I chose neither
[07:18] <lypanov> (ruby)
[07:18] <|jvs|> but the iBooks are getting a lot cheaper since the centrinos overrule them in certain aspects
[07:18] <lypanov> the p4 m's are doing 6 hrs now
[07:19] <JanneM> I got a panasonic R3 instead
[07:19] <lypanov> the viao and the ibook are more or less same price
[07:19] <JanneM> 9 hours battery
[07:19] <|jvs|> the samsung and ibm centrinos too
[07:19] <lypanov> JanneM: they are superexpensive no?
[07:19] <JanneM> no
[07:19] <lypanov> how much?
[07:19] <lypanov> JanneM: 9 hrs in linux?
[07:19] <|jvs|> you could get an Ultra Low Voltage Centrino :)
[07:19] <JanneM> about the same as all the ones you list
[07:19] <lypanov> JanneM: got swsusp working?
[07:19] <iz> any know a good program to listning mp3 streams?
[07:19] <lypanov> JanneM: or sleep?
[07:19] <JanneM> don't actually get it until friday
[07:20] <lypanov> JanneM: i have a dell inspiron 8500
[07:20] <lypanov> JanneM: *freakihsly* nice machine
[07:20] <lypanov> JanneM: but...
[07:20] <lypanov> JanneM: the battery died
[07:20] <JanneM> though it is Dothan 1.1Ghz ULV with 1Gb memory
[07:20] <lypanov> JanneM: and its now doing 30 minutes :(((((
[07:20] <GotD0t-work> wow
[07:20] <JanneM> mm
[07:20] <lypanov> so i have two options
[07:20] <JanneM> get a new battery
[07:20] <|jvs|> how did you do that JanneM
[07:20] <geppy> Does anyone have experience with the apt drivers in the main repository?
[07:20] <JanneM> do what?
[07:20] <lypanov> 300 euros on a new battery + extra battery
[07:20] <GotD0t-work> see, now im sure lypanov is waiting for those micro-turbine devices
[07:20] <lypanov> *or*
[07:21] <|jvs|> kill the battery?
[07:21] <lypanov> get a mac :)
[07:21] <JanneM> I haven't killed any battery?
[07:21] <GotD0t-work> how much is a euro in us-dollars
[07:21] <lypanov> JanneM: guess he means me? :)
[07:21] <JanneM> mm
[07:21] <|jvs|> oh, sry :)
[07:21] <lypanov> |jvs|: i assume he anyway. sorry if not
[07:21] <JanneM> batteries grow old
[07:21] <lypanov> |jvs|: lots of use
[07:21] <geppy> euro ~= dollar
[07:21] <ogra> GotD0t-work: about 1,40 ?
[07:21] <lypanov> |jvs|: mobile use twice a day every day for a year
[07:22] <|jvs|> I see
[07:22] <lypanov> ran out of battery almost everyday
[07:22] <lypanov> a telling sign... :(
[07:22] <lypanov> and its like 4.5kg
[07:22] <lypanov> the viao is 2kg
[07:22] <lypanov> and its sooo much prettier :P
[07:22] <|jvs|> :)
[07:22] <GotD0t-work> ogra, that cant be correct... if a battery is 300 euros
[07:22] <|jvs|> I didn't have much money
[07:22] <JanneM> I love the idea of .99kg, a/b/g wireless, over 8 hour battery life
[07:23] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: two batterieies
[07:23] <lypanov> JanneM: god. gimme! :P
[07:23] <GotD0t-work> lypanov: thats still quite expensive
[07:23] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: yeah. dell :(
[07:23] <JanneM> about 240k yen
[07:23] <|jvs|> hehe JanneM, sounds great
[07:23] <JanneM> and it's yours as well
[07:23] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: i can't even find the batteries anyway. i have to phone them up i think :(
[07:23] <|jvs|> but however, those screens just suck for programming
[07:23] <JanneM> oh, and it's blue :)
[07:23] <lypanov> JanneM: wow. the pan r3 is .99kb?
[07:24] <JanneM> yep
[07:24] <lypanov> JanneM: whats yen -> eur?
[07:24] <JanneM> hm
[07:24] <JanneM> nt sure
[07:24] <lypanov> JanneM: durable?
[07:24] <JanneM> yes
[07:24] <lypanov> anyways
[07:24] <lypanov> the big q is
[07:24] <JanneM> magnesium alloy case
[07:24] <ogra> GotD0t-work: 1.27 ,lokked it up
[07:24] <garcimore> Hi, I just installed ubuntu, and I notice a strange behavior : when I play a sound, I need to move my mouse else the sound is "frozen"
[07:24] <JanneM> so no internal fan at all
[07:24] <lypanov> can u get a linux setup that lasts that amount?
[07:24] <GotD0t-work> ogra: still thats max expensive
[07:24] <JanneM> lypanov: I think so
[07:25] <lypanov> JanneM: my dell was doing 2 hrs in windoze and 1 hr in linux even before the battery died :(
[07:25] <JanneM> using cpuspee
[07:25] <lypanov> JanneM: oh, and the battery died *really* coincidentally... like 3 days after i installed ubuntu :'(
[07:25] <JanneM> my curent dell gets about the same numbers in Linux as it does in Windows
[07:25] <JanneM> using FC2
[07:26] <lypanov> JanneM: i was running powernowd. it was doing 2ghz mode all the time
[07:26] <lypanov> JanneM: but i found the setting to get it to do 1.2
[07:26] <JanneM> for the Panasonic, most of the energy is actually the backlight
[07:26] <lypanov> JanneM: but. then. my wireless on the dell *sucks* both in windows and linux
[07:26] <lypanov> JanneM: and in linux. i can't even get ndiswrapper + iwlist scan to see my local ap! :(
[07:26] <JanneM> and the Dothan chipset lowers it automagically regardelss of OS when you pull the plug
[07:26] <GotD0t-work> I'm not going to be buying a laptop untill OLED's make it to the market
[07:26] <lypanov> JanneM: oh. *nice*
[07:26] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: :>
[07:27] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: i've waited too long already :'(
[07:27] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: i'm doing 1 hour minimum commute a day
[07:27] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: i *need* this laptop
[07:27] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: previously i was doing a 4 hr commute...
[07:27] <JanneM> lypanov: my dell sucks as well, for wireless. My new machine has IPW2200 which is well and truly confirmed to have good drivers under ubuntu, though :)
[07:27] <mirak_> oled??
[07:27] <lypanov> JanneM: hehe
[07:27] <lypanov> JanneM: the pan has ipw2200?
[07:27] <GotD0t-work> lypanov: well at this point i dont NEED a laptop... my pocket pc accomplishes every thing i need mobility wise
[07:27] <|jvs|> my toshiba too
[07:27] <JanneM> yes
[07:28] <GotD0t-work> lypanov: for now...
[07:28] <|jvs|> they work fine running ubuntu?
[07:28] <lypanov> GotD0t-work: ah :)
[07:28] <gruberman> Ah, just installed Ubuntu
[07:28] <|jvs|> drivers are in gentoo portage though
[07:28] <JanneM> when I shopeed around here, linux compatibility was #1 on the list
[07:28] <lypanov> gruberman: liking it?  :)
[07:28] <JanneM> whch is why Sony left the list pretty early
[07:28] <dommi> Im having some cups trouble, anyone care to help out?
[07:28] <gruberman> You bet clean and easy. Played a bit with arch before
[07:28] <lypanov> bbiab. phone time
[07:28] <|jvs|> do we have a windows expert here?
[07:28] <lypanov> |jvs|: what topic?
[07:28] <GotD0t-work> jvs: i can help with windows
[07:28] <dommi> ljlane, what do you need to know
[07:29] <|jvs|> I need to boot into windows again
[07:29] <lypanov> |jvs|: i used windows for a *long* time because of the lack of ndiswrapper
[07:29] <|jvs|> but grub is gone
[07:29] <GotD0t-work> oh, well you dont need a windows expert for that
[07:29] <sqtz> has someone been able to compile wmware modules in warty ?
[07:29] <GotD0t-work> ah, ill BRB
[07:29] <lypanov> |jvs|: why u need to boot into windoze?
[07:29] <GotD0t-work> haha
[07:29] <|jvs|> I tried the repair console, restore the mbr and fix the bootloader
[07:29] <phill> hey, is there some kind of soulseek client in the current ubuntu repositories? i cant find pyslsk or nicotine
[07:29] <lypanov> |jvs|: (yeah stupid question, other option: can't u use the rescue mode?)
[07:29] <lypanov> |jvs|: didn't work?
[07:30] <|jvs|> nope
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: if not, arse :( thats the way i'd do it :(
[07:30] <GotD0t-work> phill- i dont think its in the repositories
[07:30] <l0gistic> anyone know the correct path to the local kernel source tree? The default is normaly /lib/modules/kernel-version/build but there doesnt seem to be the case with ubuntu
[07:30] <GotD0t-work> phill- just download nicotine from the site
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: okay. i'd advice just getting lilo/grub working
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: k. u got another machine?
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: answer -> yes
[07:30] <dommi> l0gistic, did you download the kernel source from the repo?
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: download grub snapshot. dd it to a disk
[07:30] <|jvs|> mmm, yeah
[07:30] <lypanov> |jvs|: boot with it. run using the magical chainloader (hd0,0)+1 command
[07:30] <|jvs|> Ill do that
[07:31] <lypanov> |jvs|: or whatever your machine needsf :)
[07:31] <lypanov> s/sf/s/
[07:31] <l0gistic> ah ok, so i need to dl it dommi
[07:31] <|jvs|> I know how to edit grub.conf
[07:31] <dommi> apt-get install kernel-source
[07:31] <|jvs|> thank you
[07:31] <lypanov> |jvs|: if u can't get windoze to boot ( i can't on my machine :( )
[07:31] <lypanov> |jvs|: thats the nice thing about grub
[07:31] <lypanov> |jvs|: u *don't* need to edit the grub.conf
[07:31] <lypanov> |jvs|: u can do it on the cmdline
[07:31] <dommi> it will drop the bz2 file into the /var/lib/modules directory
[07:32] <lypanov> brb
[07:32] <|jvs|> naahhh, ok :)
[07:32] <|jvs|> but I need to setup grub
[07:32] <ogra> dommi: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:32] <|jvs|> tomorrow Ill give it one last try
[07:32] <dommi> forgot about the sudo part :P
[07:33] <ogra> dommi: why do you recompile ?
[07:33] <|jvs|> well, Im off to the clubs
[07:33] <|jvs|> :)
[07:33] <|jvs|> have a nice saturday
[07:33] <bob2> l0gistic: what do you want the kernel source for?
[07:33] <|jvs|> later
[07:33] <ogra> dommi: oops.... mistook it....
[07:33] <l0gistic> need to dirrect a modem driver to the kernel dir
[07:34] <ogra> l0gistic: a driver that isnt in ubuntu ?
[07:34] <bob2> l0gistic: are you sure it doesn't just need the kernel headers?
[07:34] <dommi> ogra, actually you would probably need the kernel source to compile nvidia drivers
[07:34] <sqtz> the vmware will compile in warty ?
[07:34] <dommi> unless they are in the repo
[07:34] <dommi> and up to date
[07:34] <ogra> dommi: they are ;)
[07:34] <dommi> then hey, I ask the same thing
[07:34] <dommi> why would you need the kernel source
[07:35] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:35] <l0gistic> the makefile needs to be edited and dirrected to the local kernel source tree
[07:35] <ogra> can't say it often enough today it seems :)
[07:35] <bob2> l0gistic: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:36] <bob2> and point he module at that dir in /usr/src/
[07:36] <l0gistic> will do cheers
[07:36] <ogra> l0gistic: you're sure it isn't in linux-restricted-modules =
[07:36] <ogra> ?
[07:38] <gruberman> Hmmm... I really like the feeling of this dist
[07:39] <dewey> well, I like ubuntu but I can not get my cd-burner to work and following a how-to at ubuntu has mad my ubuntu install unable to log-in?
[07:40] <ogra> dew: which howto ? (url)
[07:40] <leeech> where can i find mozilla-totem plugin
[07:40] <leeech> there is such thing in fedora
[07:41] <cenerentola> everybody hands up... i'm back...
[07:41] <Eno_> totem can't play much for me... mplayer plugin would be better
[07:41] <cenerentola> back in black
[07:41] <flash`> where to find a manual to compile a 2.6.9 kernel ?
[07:41] <ogra> Eno_: install totem-xine
[07:41] <Eno_> ah
[07:42] <Eno_> yeah, good idea
[07:42] <Eno_> does it matter if ubuntu-desktop is removed?
[07:42] <flash`> Eno_, yes
[07:42] <LinuxJones> flash`, install build-essential then go here >> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[07:42] <ogra> Eno_: nope
[07:42] <Eno_> ok
[07:42] <leeech> ogra, does tomem-xine comes with mozilla plugin
[07:42] <ogra> Eno_: it's just a meta package
[07:43] <Erix> hi all
[07:43] <ogra> leeech: not that i know about
[07:43] <dewey> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[07:43] <Erix> i installed ubuntu and this is my first login.
[07:43] <leeech> ogra, so basically the known firefox plugin is mplayer
[07:43] <dewey> ogra I used that how-to
[07:43] <ogra> leeech: vlc-plugin works too
[07:43] <leeech> based on the howto on the forum... seems like lot's of steps... 
[07:44] <ogra> dew: and gdm complains about ICE ?
[07:44] <bob2> dewey: don't run stuff as root.
[07:44] <bob2> dewey: if you insist on using k3b, read the page in the wiki.
[07:44] <leeech> ogra, i'll try
[07:44] <leeech> thanks
[07:45] <dewey> bob2: I did read the page in wiki and I still can not log-in?
[07:45] <dewey> I also tried to get other cd-burner stuff working and it would not finsd my burner?
[07:45] <bob2> dewey: login to a terminal, rm ~/.ICEauthority, log back into X.
[07:46] <dewey> ok I will try that tonite after work
[07:46] <maswan> daniels: ok, small update on my suspend problems on the x40, when first manually changing to vt3 (ctrl+alt+f3) before closing the lid for suspend, I just went through 20 successful suspend+resume cycles
[07:46] <ogra> bob2: he'll need sudo :)
[07:47] <LinuxJones> bob2, so that's why I had to remove .ICEauthority about 3 times now. Because I was running k3b ?
[07:47] <adam_> Everyone: do u think Ubuntu should come with GTKPod?
[07:47] <dewey> does xcdroast work in ubuntu?
[07:47] <Lathiat> maswan: itl be 3:47am over there btw so hes probabky not around unless he was around not so long ago
[07:47] <bob2> LinuxJones: were you running k3b?
[07:47] <bob2> adam_: isn't it in universe?
[07:47] <dewey> does ubuntu install a burn program during its install?
[07:47] <cenerentola> Lathiat: can i query you for a lil while?
[07:47] <ogra> dew: never tried, i'm fine with nautils burnin
[07:47] <LinuxJones> bob2, ya I had to burn some stuff
[07:47] <adam_> i don't know...
[07:47] <bob2> dewey: nautilus.
[07:47] <Lathiat> cenerentola: im busy sorry
[07:47] <bob2> LinuxJones: nautilus can burn data cds.
[07:47] <maswan> Lathiat: ok, will see if he reacts on scrollback then, or I'll poke him at another time. :)
[07:47] <bob2> adam_: why don't you check?
[07:48] <dewey> hmmm where is nautilus in the menu?
[07:48] <cenerentola> bob2: have you got a lil time for me?
[07:48] <bob2> dewey: it's the file manager.
[07:48] <cenerentola> under compute
[07:48] <bob2> adam_: it is in universe.
[07:48] <cenerentola> r
[07:48] <bob2> cenerentola: for what?
[07:48] <ogra> dewey: it's the filemanager you use :)
[07:48] <cenerentola> bob2: fnfx
[07:48] <dewey> bob2: when I get into it I will look thanx
[07:48] <LinuxJones> bob2, I know but, I like k3b. Why does it casue problems with Gnome ?
[07:48] <cenerentola> dewey: under computer
[07:48] <LinuxJones> err cause
[07:48] <bob2> cenerentola: I don't know what fnfs.
[07:48] <bob2> LinuxJones: it's not a problem with gnome, it's a problem with the way k3b apparently needs to run.
[07:49] <cenerentola> acpi thing for toshiba laptops
[07:49] <LinuxJones> bob2, ahh
[07:49] <cenerentola> LinuxJones:
[07:49] <bob2> cenerentola: I don't know anything about that, sorry...try asking on the ubuntu-user list.
[07:49] <cenerentola> LinuxJones: i've got the same problem today
[07:50] <bob2> if someone wants to send me a new toshiba libretto, tho, I'd be happy to learn about it :-0
[07:50] <LinuxJones> cenerentola, I have the same problem a few times the last week. At least I know what is causing it now apt-get remove k3b :)
[07:51] <cenerentola> if ive got a kernel module how can i make it run at boot time
[07:52] <brettcar> cenerentola: Add it to /etc/modules
[07:52] <sap> bob2: i reckon you've probably got enough machines
[07:53] <ogra> cenerentola: what kind of module ?
[07:53] <bob2> sap: heh, I only have two working ones
[07:53] <cenerentola> toshiba_acpi
[07:53] <bob2> cenerentola: just mention it in /etc/modules
[07:53] <ogra> cenerentola: yep, add it there
[07:53] <sap> bob2: didn't you have a DEC Alpha at one point
[07:53] <cenerentola> yes yes thx... that was i was thinking about
[07:54] <cenerentola> and what about gdesklets...
[07:54] <bob2> sap: yeah, unbootable due to bad ram
[07:54] <bob2> cenerentola: gdesklets is in universe
[07:54] <cenerentola> i've added /usr/bin/gdesklets start to the session things
[07:54] <ogra> cenerentola: just install them
[07:54] <cenerentola> but it doesn run
[07:55] <cenerentola> i've installed them... but when i reboot
[07:55] <bob2> cenerentola: "doesn't run"? it gives an error?
[07:55] <cenerentola> they dont restart
[07:55] <bob2> cenerentola: gdesklets won't restart when you reboot
[07:55] <cenerentola> how can i make them restart then?
[07:55] <ogra> cenerentola: it has a weird starting mechanism..... you'll have to do something amnually first, but dont ask me
[07:55] <bob2> cenerentola: add it to your gnome session, computer -> desktop preferences -> session
[07:56] <cenerentola> bob2: yeah, as i said ive added "/user/bin/gdesklets start" 
[07:56] <cenerentola> bob2: is it right?
[07:56] <bob2> no.
[07:56] <ogra> cenerentola: user = usr
[07:57] <cenerentola> ...yah just a mistyped
[07:57] <cenerentola> but it should run right?
[07:57] <cenerentola> bob2: or not?
[07:58] <cenerentola> ogra: have you ever heard of hw_random?
[07:58] <bob2> cenerentola: does the manpage say you need the "start" parameter?
[07:58] <bob2> /win	37
[07:58] <cenerentola> yes
[07:58] <ogra> cenerentola: lol, i'm asked this dayly
[07:58] <ogra> cenerentola: ignore the messages, they are harmless
[07:59] <cenerentola> ogra: ive got this problem together with pcichp,shchp... 
[07:59] <cenerentola> yeah but how can i stop them?
[07:59] <bob2> cenerentola: ignore it, they're all harmless
[07:59] <maswan> daniels: ok, if you're reading this in scrollback, I fixed it. probably a race condition in suspend, chvt 3 + sleep 1 at the head of suspend.sh gives reliable resumes.
[07:59] <cenerentola> i know they're harmless...
[08:00] <cenerentola> just wanted to know what causes them...
[08:00] <cenerentola> and how to fix it if its possible
[08:00] <bob2> cenerentola: something tries to load them to see if you have that hardware
[08:00] <ogra> you cann add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:00] <bob2> cenerentola: the erors comes when the module says "oh, you don't have that hardware" and the modprobe errors outy
[08:00] <ogra> something = hotplug
[08:00] <cenerentola> ok thx
[08:01] <mirak_> MY SOUND WORKS!!!!
[08:01] <mirak_> hahaha
[08:01] <GotD0t> gratz mirak
[08:01] <Moof> heya
[08:01] <GotD0t> what did you do
[08:02] <cenerentola> what do you mean with something = hotplug
[08:02] <Moof> anyone know where I could get libgmp3-dev for ubuntu from?
[08:02] <ogra> cenerentola: look at bobs answer :)
[08:02] <mirak_> godot, tons of stuff.....but i think in the end...it was just via gxs tunred down
[08:03] <GotD0t> gotcha
[08:03] <mirak_> gotdot, whatever it was...i am excited
[08:03] <bob2> Moof: libgmp3-dev - Multiprecision arithmetic library developers tools
[08:03] <bob2> it's in universe.
[08:03] <GotD0t> mirak_ as well you should be
[08:03] <cenerentola> thx ill "read" you later
[08:04] <bob2> bah
[08:04] <bob2> the gdesklets manpage does *not* tell you to use the option "start"
[08:04] <g00se`> Not much careless talk in here ;-)
[08:04] <Moof> bob2: no installation candidate
[08:05] <bob2> Moof: wait, it's in warty, even
[08:05] <bob2> Moof: then your sources.list is broken, I see it.  or it's not built on your architecture.
[08:05] <bob2> it is on ppc.
[08:05] <Moof> this is i385
[08:05] <Moof> er
[08:05] <Moof> i386
[08:05] <flash`> excuse me
[08:05] <flash`> In file included from drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:46:
[08:05] <flash`> drivers/char/drm/drm_drv.h: In function `gamma_release':
[08:05] <flash`> drivers/char/drm/drm_drv.h:808: warning: implicit declaration of function `gamma_ctxbitmap_free'
[08:05] <flash`> make[3] : *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o]  Error 1
[08:05] <flash`> make[2] : *** [drivers/char/drm]  Error 2
[08:05] <flash`> make[1] : *** [drivers/char]  Error 2
[08:05] <flash`> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[08:05] <bob2> I'd be shocked if it wasn't available on i386
[08:05] <flash`> what is the problem ?
[08:05] <bob2> flash`: please don't paste in here
[08:06] <bob2> flash`: what are you compiling?
[08:06] <flash`> ok..
[08:06] <flash`> kernel 2.6.9
[08:06] <Moof> bob2: I am shocked
[08:06] <ogra> Moof: sudo apt-get update
[08:06] <flash`> bob2, kernel 2.6.9
[08:06] <bob2> Moof: are you up to date with warty?
[08:06] <ogra> flash`: why ??
[08:06] <bob2> Lathiat: ping.
[08:07] <Moof> erf, my crap typing rears its head
[08:07] <bob2> flash`: ask on the ubuntu-users list, assuming no one has complained about it on lkml.
[08:07] <bob2> ogra: can you see it on i386?
[08:07] <ogra> yep
[08:07] <bob2> actually, I can check on i386, too
[08:07] <bob2> Moof: well, we see it
[08:08] <Moof> hmmm
[08:08] <bob2> Moof: maybe your sources.list is broken
[08:08] <bob2> but, it's 4am
[08:08] <bob2> 'night all.
[08:08] <mirak_> night
[08:08] <ogra> Moof: is your packagelist uptodate (sudo apt-get update)
[08:09] <Moof> yes
[08:10] <Moof> and I have this line  in sources.list:
[08:10] <Moof>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:11] <ogra> hmm, it's in main, so you should be able to install it
[08:11] <cr4sh> how do I update to the final release?
[08:11] <ogra> there is a / missing after ubuntu
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> YES! UBUNTU IS NUMBER 3 ON DISTRO WATCH!!!
[08:12] <__daniel> RuffianSoldier, wow
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> __daniel, Ubuntu is the shiznet
[08:12] <ogra> cr4sh: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[08:12] <cr4sh> thx ogram
[08:12] <Moof> ogra: there's a main missing there
[08:12] <cr4sh> err, um ogra
[08:12] <gruberman> what
[08:12] <gruberman> the latest version of firefox?
[08:12] <gruberman> 1.0pr?
[08:13] <ogra> Moof: true ;)
[08:13] <Moof> sorted, ta
[08:13] <Moof> do I want restricted in there too?
[08:14] <Moof> or is just universe fine?
[08:14] <ogra> Moof: restricted is for nvidia/ati and other binary stuff
[08:14] <Moof> aaaah
[08:16] <limaunion> what's the difference between the multiverse and universe repositories?
[08:17] <Moof> limaunion: on's more pratchett-relted?
[08:17] <maxdeo> need help in wireless; my wireless card will connect to any as long as it's not encrypted, any ideas?
[08:17] <limaunion> Moof: huh?
[08:18] <ogra> Moof: lol
[08:18] <Moof> limaunion: sorry ,that's me being facetious. "the multiverse" is a term from Terry Pratchett books
[08:18] <jkka_> maxdeo: remember the difference between ascii key and hex key
[08:18] <jkka_> man iwconfig helps 
[08:19] <maxdeo> what do I need to do to convert 0000008571 to hex
[08:19] <Moof> presumably the chance of ubuntu crashing a dying is nine times out fo ten in the multiverse archive
[08:19] <limaunion> Moof: ok, didn't understand you...
[08:20] <Moof> maxdeo: I'd use python, personally, but bc will do it
[08:20] <Moof> hex(8571) in python will do it
[08:20] <limaunion> but i have two lines in sources.list, one with multiverse and another with universe, is this right ?
[08:20] <jkka_> maxdeo: http://centricle.com/tools/ascii-hex/
[08:21] <mats_> hi
[08:22] <mats_> anyone knows how to play mp3 files in ubuntu
[08:22] <gruberman> rythmbox?
[08:22] <ogra> mats_: install gstreamer-mad.... then use rhythmbox
[08:23] <mats_> yes or xmms
[08:23] <mats_> thks
[08:23] <ogra> mats_: music-player in the multimedia menu
[08:25] <eduardo_> does anyone have working monodevelop under Warty?
[08:26] <Moof> limaunion: reading up on ubuntu-traffic (somethign I suppose i should subscribe to) it appears that multivers is a package archive for packages that have unknown free/nonfree status or something like that
[08:26] <melter> how do i set up a program to run automatically at boot time?
[08:27] <mats_> ogra, that package is aviable? where?
[08:27] <rtsbasic> Hey. Could anyone help me get my (shudder) ATI card working? I've installed the proper driver for a 9600, 2D's cool, 3D works, but all the objects/textures are screwed
[08:27] <Moof> limaunion: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20040924_05.html#8
[08:28] <ogra> mats_: gstreamer-mad ?
[08:28] <mats_> yes please
[08:29] <ogra> mats_: just run: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad in a terminal
[08:30] <ogra> mats_: you'll need universe enabled for this: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[08:30] <mats_> it's not in my repositories...
[08:30] <RuffianSoldier> I WANT LIBRANET 3 TO COME OUT!
[08:31] <_gentgeen_> anyone have any luck with a admtek wireless PCI card and Ubuntu
[08:31] <mats_> it's dangerous to use universe??
[08:32] <ogra> mats_: no
[08:32] <gruberman> is there a way to get the latest firefox with apt-get?
[08:32] <GotD0t> gruberman, not that i know of
[08:32] <mats_> ok, thks again
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> guberman, i did it
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> oh wait
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> that was mozzila
[08:32] <GotD0t> ruffiansoldier: he means the PR release
[08:33] <gruberman> GotD0t, ok, thx
[08:33] <mir> 6
[08:33] <ogra> mir: 7
[08:34] <jkka> so what would be the preferred way to upgrade to firefox1.0PR
[08:34] <ogra> jkka: the preferred way would be a ubuntu package ;)
[08:34] <gruberman> jkka, maybe remove the firefox package and download the binary
[08:34] <jkka> hmm
[08:35] <GotD0t> jkka: well the only way to do it seems to be by using the crappy installer from their site which puts all th edata into a single folder
[08:35] <jkka> GotD0t: thats sadly the same solution ive come up
[08:36] <GotD0t> jkka: yea, they needa get their act together
[08:36] <jkka> but still, i fell in love to ubuntu today
[08:37] <GotD0t> wow, ok... somethings worng with my typing today
[08:37] <GotD0t> keep typin hello as hellow
[08:37] <miles> hello all - I have a question reqarding python distutils support on warty
[08:37] <gruberman> nad wrong as worng ;)
[08:37] <gruberman> gah
[08:37] <GotD0t> haha
[08:38] <gruberman> its contagious
[08:38] <GotD0t> well worng was once... i typed hellow three or four times
[08:38] <_gentgeen_> I know I asked once, thought I would try again -- anyone have any luck with a Admtek Wireless PCI card?
[08:38] <ogra> GotD0t: what's a worn G ?
[08:39] <gruberman> Your old g-strings?
[08:39] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: just to answer you -never heard of it
[08:39] <GotD0t> gotd0t: a tired friend
[08:39] <GotD0t> hahahaha
[08:39] <ogra> lol
[08:39] <GotD0t> wow
[08:39] <GotD0t> oops
[08:39] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: basically google for the name
[08:39] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: nd add "linux"
[08:40] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: see what info you may dredge up
[08:40] <gruberman> anyone who wants to recommend a good python ide?
[08:40] <_gentgeen_> JanneM, that is just the chipset -- the card is some generic thing
[08:40] <kelvin> I've been having some problems with my bluetooth mouse
[08:40] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: the chipset is the important thing
[08:40] <miles> after following the report on bugzilla, it appears that distutils isn't included as part of python2.3 (on purpose).  any ideas on how to get it installed?
[08:40] <kelvin> any of you using bluetooth peripherals?
[08:40] <spiv> miles: install python-dev
[08:41] <miles> gruberman: WingIDE gets fairly good reviews you might check out
[08:41] <_gentgeen_> JanneM, I did a google, and found something -- but it needs compiled -- Does Ubuntu provide the kernel tree, or do I have to download it?
[08:41] <gruberman> miles: k, thx. I will do that right away
[08:41] <Phr0stByte> miles: but you gotta pay
[08:41] <miles> true
[08:42] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: out of my league at the moment, but yes, the source is availale
[08:42] <Phr0stByte> miles: I like boa-constructor
[08:42] <miles> eric3 (sp?) is free, but requires qt/kde.  i've also heard good things about it
[08:42] <JanneM> _gentgeen_: you do want to check if the current kernel doesn't already support it
[08:42] <miles> Phr0stByte: i haven't used boa for a long while.  it used to be quite unstable.  better now?
[08:42] <ogra> _gentgeen_: how is it called ?
[08:43] <Phr0stByte> miles: It seems ok
[08:43] <spiv> _gentgeen_: There's a linux-source-... package for the kernel sources.  You may just need kernel-headers.  Or maybe it's already in the kernel, what's the naem of the kernel module? :)
[08:43] <_gentgeen_> JanneM, Thanks -- I guess it will have to wait till I in front of the machine
[08:43] <Phr0stByte> miles: just started using it
[08:43] <Phr0stByte> miles: (new to python)
[08:43] <miles> Phr0stByte: good to hear.  it looked promising once upon a time
[08:43] <_gentgeen_> I beleive it is adm80221  or something like that
[08:43] <NiteRider> hello
[08:43] <_anderson_> Hello, all!
[08:44] <melter> how do i set up a program to run automatically at boot time?
[08:44] <miles> Phr0stByte: and wxPython is very nice...
[08:44] <anthriscus> hello all
[08:44] <Phr0stByte> miles: very
[08:44] <_anderson_> melter: Write an initscript and put in in /etc/init.d directory.
[08:44] <ogra> _gentgeen_: there is already a adm8211, try that one
[08:45] <_anderson_> melter: See some existing init.d scripts for more info.
[08:45] <NiteRider> when i install realplayer 10 the .bin file...it asks something about symbolic links and where to put t example (/usr) what do i put there
[08:45] <_gentgeen_> I did not see it earilier, maybe I was looking in the wrong place -- gonna check
[08:45] <Phr0stByte> miles: but being more into games, I prefer python/SDL via pygame
[08:45] <anthriscus> who can help me? Experienced problems installing ubuntu next to Win XP. After I installed Grub stalled. I only saw the message Grub loading...
[08:45] <_anderson_> NiteRider: Leave it default (/usr)
[08:46] <_anderson_> NiteRider: Just press enter
[08:46] <NiteRider> k..that's it...it should work fine then?
[08:46] <melter> _anderson_, isn't there a "local" type file i can just edit?
[08:46] <swack> anthriscus, you need to use a bootdisk to start the computer, then reinstall grub
[08:46] <_anderson_> NiteRider: Yep
[08:46] <gruberman> I might use Idle for now
[08:46] <NiteRider> thanks a lot..i'm grateful...gonna go back and redo it
[08:46] <_anderson_> NiteRider: Good luck.
[08:47] <NiteRider> ty..cya in a bit
[08:47] <spiv> _gentgeen_: My system seems  to have it: $ sudo modprobe -l | grep adm8211
[08:47] <spiv> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211/adm8211.ko
[08:47] <miles> gruberman: good place to start
[08:47] <_anderson_> melter: I don't get your question rightly.
[08:47] <anthriscus> I read a thread that said it had something to do with LBA of my mobo
[08:47] <anthriscus> i have asus k8v se with amd64
[08:48] <anthriscus> LBA should be enabled but this cannot be enforced on mobo
[08:49] <melter> _anderson_, in gentoo, i can add a line to /etc/conf/local.start. is there something similar for ubuntu?
[08:50] <_anderson_> melter: I don't think that it is supported in Ubuntu. Maybe someone else can answer this. 
[08:50] <Keybuk> melter: what do you wish to do?
[08:51] <melter> Keybuk, i want to have a program start every time i boot
[08:51] <Keybuk> which program?
[08:51] <melter> the folding at home deamon
[08:51] <Keybuk> the way to do it is to write a shell-script that starts it, and put it in /etc/rc2.d
[08:52] <ogra> Keybuk: isn't there a skeleton ?
[08:52] <_gentgeen_> ogra, I just tried a 'modprobe adm8211' and it said module not found
[08:53] <ogra> _gentgeen_: try with sudo in front
[08:53] <Keybuk> ogra: yes, /etc/init.d/skeleton
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> umm, im trying to install "pogo" and it says i need imlib1, but i just tried to apt-get it and it says its already the newest version
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> what should i do?
[08:54] <ogra> Keybuk: thanks, good to poinzt to in such cases
[08:54] <hypn0> i am thinking of getting ccd webcam, which ones should i consider, or do they all have driver issues
[08:56] <mir> I need to send some faxes (last time I did that was for about 6 yrs ago), and I am wondering, is this a straight forward thing in Ubuntu?..
[08:56] <mir> The scanning part etc. is ok.. I am just wondering about the "send with fax/modem" part
[08:56] <_gentgeen_> ogra, I did an su at the terminal first
[08:57] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: where did you get this ?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, what do you mean?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> pogo? from ibiblio
[08:57] <ogra> pogo is not in my repo ?
[08:57] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Odd; it's part of the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686 package on my system.
[08:57] <_gentgeen_> spiv, I seem to be running kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386  
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> pogo is a very neet aplication launcher for low proccess window managers
[08:58] <_gentgeen_> spiv, are your running warty
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> it says i need imlib1 but i allready have it
[08:58] <ogra> _gentgeen_: what hardware ? (cpu)
[08:58] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Try installing linux-386  (or linux-686...) to get the latest.
[08:58] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Yes :)
[08:58] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: you want to compile ?
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, havent learnd that part yet
[08:59] <LinuxJones> mir, have you looked @gfax ?
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> it has an installer
[08:59] <_gentgeen_> spiv, Sorry, not sure what you mean by "Try installing linux-386 (or linux-686...)"
[08:59] <gruberman> Can someone tell me how I can talk my wife into installing ubuntu on the main comp? :)
[09:00] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: so it's a binary and probably not version compatible :(
[09:00] <RuffianSoldier> no, its not a binary
[09:00] <GotD0t> gruberman: easy... giver her an expensive gift with the money you would save by not using windows
[09:00] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: what else ?
[09:00] <RuffianSoldier> ive installed it on Ubuntu on my other computer, had the same problem, but forgot how i fixed it
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: sudo aptitude install linux-386 
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: :)
[09:01] <gruberman> GotD0t: Or your old g-strings :)
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: It's a dummy package that always depends on the latest version.
[09:01] <GotD0t> gruberman: I'm sure she'd love that...
[09:01] <gruberman> Nah, still need windows for music
[09:01] <GotD0t> gruberman?
[09:01] <gruberman> yes
[09:02] <GotD0t> gruberman: what do you mean you need it for music?
[09:02] <gruberman> making music. theres no good sequencers on linux yet. (VST/VSTi and such)
[09:02] <_gentgeen_> ogra, /proc/cpuinfo says AMD-k6 with 381.(something) Mhz
[09:03] <maxdeo> wireless, changed the key to hex but still wont connect; may have something to do with the key being SHARED?
[09:03] <GotD0t> gruberman: oh...
[09:03] <spiv> _gentgeen_: I'd install linux-686 then.
[09:04] <ogra> _gentgeen_: update your kernel as spiv said
[09:05] <jonah> hi ! i am searching for a tutorial to hear mp3 and watching movies. can anyone help me out ?
[09:05] <swim> hi, trying to burn an iso, havent had any luck, how should I start burning it? (most sure way? Ive already wasted 2 out of 5 disks) 
[09:06] <Tenniru> Uh... I just compiled SDL... and I have no idea what to do. When I compile something that needs SDL, it can't find it.
[09:06] <Tenniru> Do I move the SDL folder to /usr/lib?
[09:06] <_gentgeen_> spiv, ogra, wouldn't I need to be connected to do the apt-get, 
[09:06] <_gentgeen_> or just the original install cd?
[09:07] <ogra> _gentgeen_: or aptitude or synaptic
[09:07] <spiv> _gentgeen_: To get a newer version, you'll need to be connected, yes.
[09:07] <Skif> lovely
[09:07] <jonah> any ideas for mp3-playing ?!
[09:07] <Skif> I just upgraded (and installed ubuntu-calendar and ubuntu-calendar-october) and got
[09:07] <ogra> _gentgeen_: but you can do it with sudo apt-get install  linux-386 
[09:07] <Skif> Preconfiguring packages ...
[09:07] <Skif> (Reading database ...
[09:07] <Skif>                       Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[09:07] <GotD0t> jonah: xmms
[09:07] <Tenniru> xmms is a good music player, yes.
[09:08] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Doing "apt-get install linux-386" would work from CD, but it sounds like your CD doesn't have a recent enough version on it.
[09:08] <ogra> _gentgeen_: oh, sorry misread
[09:08] <Tenniru> Or that Music Player thing that comes with GNOME. I think it's mpg123 with a frontend.
[09:08] <jonah> thanks ...
[09:08] <GotD0t> jonah: just do sudo apt-get update
[09:08] <GotD0t> then sudo apt-get isntall xmms
[09:08] <Skif> Tenniru: that's RhythmBox
[09:08] <Tenniru> Oh.
[09:08] <GotD0t> err
[09:08] <GotD0t> install*
[09:09] <swim> anyone please?
[09:09] <Tenniru> Now... what do I do about SDL? I just used make on it, it made, but when I compile something that needs SDL it can't find it.
[09:09] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[09:09] <gruberman> Skif: What's ubunti calendar?
[09:09] <Skif> gruberman: should install new backgrounds every month
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> someone who knows about broken packages in debian please come to #libranetfl
[09:09] <swim> hi, trying to burn an iso, havent had any luck, how should I start burning it? (most sure way? Ive already wasted 2 out of 5 disks) 
[09:10] <swim> sorry to repeat
[09:10] <gruberman> ok
[09:10] <ogra> Skif:  ubuntu-calendar-october ???
[09:10] <Skif> ogra: that would be the unbutu artwork for october
[09:10] <ficusplanet> swim, How have you been trying to do it?
[09:11] <ogra> Skif:  ubuntu-calendar ids enough
[09:11] <_gentgeen_> spiv, ogra, thanks -- gonna give it a try with my cd.  Otherwise I may have to wait and download a newer iso
[09:11] <inklingx> swim: in nautilus right-click on the iso and choose "write to disc"?
[09:11] <Skif> ogra: well, yeah, but it drags in u-c-october, no?
[09:11] <ogra> Ski yep
[09:11] <swim> inklingx yes that fails after a short while and makes the disk useless
[09:11] <Skif> ogra: exactly my point
[09:11] <ogra> Skif: sudo apt-get update ?
[09:11] <swim> ficusplanet, Ive tried nautilus right-click really the only way
[09:12] <ficusplanet> You can install k3b from Universe.
[09:12] <Skif> ogra: I prefer aptitude, but I've done the update, now I'm doing the dist-upgrade
[09:12] <Tenniru> It's a great OS.
[09:12] <ogra> Skif: it's there ;)
[09:12] <Sensebend> it is so much of an improvement over Sarge
[09:12] <ficusplanet> swim, But I've never had problems with Nautius-CD-Burner personally.
[09:13] <Tenniru> Really just as powerful as MacOS X, and certainly ahead of Windows...
[09:13] <swim> ficusplanet, Ive tried with k3b but when I go to burn there is no burner to select...
[09:13] <GotD0t> skif antenna for what? satelite?
[09:14] <WW> swim: Didn't Nautilus work?
[09:14] <Skif> GotD0t: no, I'm a member of an 802.11 co-op; I can't get any other kind of faster-than-dialup connection right now
[09:15] <swim> WW no burnt a bit on the disk and made it useless
[09:15] <GotD0t> skif: do you need an FCC license for that?
[09:15] <Tenniru> Okay... how am I supposed to install a new skin on xmms?
[09:15] <inklingx> swim: you could also try cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -v /dev/yourburner 
[09:15] <GotD0t> Tenniru: that is a good question
[09:15] <Skif> GotD0t: no, it's 802.11... just like the wireless in your coffeeshop.
[09:15] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: i looked at pogo, you'll need imlib11-dev
[09:15] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[09:16] <inklingx> swim: oops:  you could also try cdrecord dev=/dev/cdbunrer -v /path/to/iso
[09:16] <Tenniru> I don't like the default one. It clases with Human terribly.
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> thats what i thought ogra
[09:16] <Tenniru> *clashes
[09:16] <_gentgeen_> just tried "apt"ing linux-686 and linux-386, both returned as an unknown package
[09:16] <GotD0t> skif: no, i mean for having a high gain antenna
[09:16] <_gentgeen_> guess that means I need to get a newer ISO
[09:16] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: and probably imlib-base
[09:16] <Skif> GotD0t: no, 24dB isn't that much, really; I'm only driving it with a 100mW card
[09:16] <GotD0t> skif: oh ok
[09:17] <GotD0t> skif: so how does a 802.11 co-op work?
[09:17] <Skif> GotD0t: we put omnidirectional antennae on various mountains around here, and you pay $x/mo to have access.
[09:18] <Skif> you have to have LOS to the mountain, which is why we have multiple antennae
[09:18] <GotD0t> im sorry. LOS?
[09:18] <Skif> GotD0t: http://www.cwx.net/ if you want more info
[09:18] <Skif> LOS==Line of SIght
[09:18] <GotD0t> gotcha
[09:20] <_gentgeen_> ogra, spiv -- thanks for the help
[09:20] <ogra> _gentgeen_: how old is your iso ?
[09:20] <gruberman> lol.. desklets was i bit more complicated than i thought
[09:21] <_gentgeen_> Not very -- 3-4wks maybe
[09:21] <GotD0t> skif: thats pretty cool
[09:21] <ogra> _gentgeen_: a lot happened since then ;)
[09:22] <_gentgeen_> I see that :-)
[09:22] <Skif> GotD0t: the other nice thing is that, being a co-op, prices go DOWN over time.
[09:22] <GotD0t> Skif: yea... unlike other internet providers with prices that usually go up
[09:22] <_gentgeen_> I was just looking at the site, so there is now a live cd?  any try it yet?
[09:22] <Skif> I've had two rate reductions since I started with them about a year ago.
[09:23] <GotD0t> Skif: how much do you pay /month?
[09:23] <Skif> GotD0t: $40, but it's paid quarterly
[09:23] <GotD0t> Skif: wow
[09:31] <Tenniru> How do I create a shortcut/alias?
[09:31] <Tenniru> In Ubuntu?
[09:32] <gruberman> Oooops... I actually managed to get a gdesklet display
[09:32] <ogra> Tenniru: mouse wise ?
[09:32] <Tenniru> Yes?
[09:33] <ogra> Tenniru: drag with middle mouse
[09:33] <Tenniru> I only have a one-button mouse. iBook.
[09:34] <ogra> Tenniru: i guess there is a modifier key, dunno which though
[09:34] <Tenniru> Oh well...
[09:35] <avar> is there an mp3 player in the default ubuntu install?
[09:36] <Tenniru> Yes.
[09:36] <Treenaks> avar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats tells you how to enable it in Rhythmbox
[09:36] <Treenaks> avar: and totem
[09:36] <Tenniru> It's a pretty decent one, too. Pretty much iTunes without iTMS, iPod sync, smart playlists, or brushed metal.
[09:37] <avar> or actual audio playing capability it seems;)
[09:37] <gruberman> Anyone knows a fun gdesklet?
[09:37] <Tenniru> Yeah. It seemed to crash when I tried streaming radio.
[09:37] <Tenniru> I strongly reccomend XMMS. Imagine WinAmp, but... uh... well, that's about it.
[09:37] <avar> so all the fun stuff is in universe?
[09:38] <Skif> there's quite a bit of fun stuff in main
[09:38] <avar> not audio and video players worth anything it seems.
[09:38] <Skif> one thing that bugs me about xmms is that if you run at high resolutions, say 1600x1200, the buttons and text are so tiny, it's hard to read
[09:38] <Tenniru> Yeah.
[09:39] <Tenniru> Hey... how do I unlock a folder? My XMMS folder seems... locked.
[09:39] <Tenniru> I need to move something into it!
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: I prefer rhythmbox..
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: huh?
[09:39] <Tenniru> Lock icon on the folder.
[09:39] <diego> Tenniru: you mean you don't have write access?
[09:39] <avar> Skif, i dont use the buttons ever though, 
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: which folder are you trying?
[09:39] <avar> just the hotkeys
[09:39] <Tenniru> Can't write... yeah.
[09:39] <Sensebend> preferences fonts
[09:39] <ficusplanet> I love muine.
[09:39] <Tenniru> .xmms in home.
[09:39] <Sensebend> you can change the font size in XMMS there
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: did you start xmms as root?
[09:39] <Skif> avar: even so, it's hard to read the text of what's playing
[09:40] <avar> Skif, get BMP, you can resize it there.
[09:40] <Skif> avar: BMP?
[09:40] <Treenaks> Skif: beep-media-player
[09:40] <avar> Skif, Z-B, in the exact  same order as  the back,stop,play etc. buttons
[09:40] <Tenniru> I... am in Nautilus. Trying to move a file to the folder.
[09:40] <Tenniru> Folder is locked. How do I fix this?
[09:40] <Skif> avar: thanks, but as I said, the poor little brain will probably not retain
[09:40] <diego> Tenniru: post the output of `ls -al ~ | grep .xmms`
[09:41] <Skif> anyway, rhythmbox plays .flac and .ogg, and that's all I want out of it
[09:41] <Tenniru> Thanks
[09:41] <Tenniru> Hey... I'd use RythmBox if it didn't crash when I tried streaming radio.
[09:41] <Tenniru> I need that.
[09:41] <Skif> I get billed on bandwidth, so streaming radio is not my friend
[09:42] <LinuxJones> Skif, where are you from ?
[09:42] <ogra> Tenniru: ever tried streamtuner ?
[09:42] <Tenniru> What is this?
[09:42] <Tenniru> I just want something that will play my music AND to radio.
[09:43] <diego> Tenniru: what does that line i posted say?
[09:43] <ogra> Tenniru: shoutcast radio tuner, thousands of stations
[09:43] <Skif> LinuxJones: Loveland, CO, USA
[09:43] <Tenniru> Well, oookay.
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Skif, there are no ISP's in your area that has a flat rate. Paying by the gig sounds horrible :P
[09:43] <Tenniru> Line you posted. Entered it. NOthing happens.
[09:43] <ogra> Tenniru: with streamripper it's able to record ;)
[09:44] <diego> Tenniru: really? odd....and you have run xmms before?
[09:44] <Tenniru> What is? RythmBox?
[09:44] <Tenniru> I have. I'm just trying to install a skin.
[09:44] <Skif> LinuxJones: I pay for a certain level of usage, billed at the 90th percentile
[09:44] <Tenniru> It runs fine, except I HATE THE DEFAULT SKIN. 
[09:44] <ogra> Tenniru: called music-player in the menu
[09:44] <Tenniru> I know.
[09:44] <diego> so he's run xmms before yet has no .xmms directory? what do you people make of this?
[09:44] <GotD0t> do a google on xmms and on the xmms page there are skins available
[09:45] <GotD0t> and it should tell you how to install them
[09:47] <cenerentola> fffff
[09:54] <diego> oh my word.
[09:54] <diego> pwn3d by sendak
[09:54] <diego> it feels so roomy in here now
[09:54] <LinuxJones> wheeeee
[09:54] <ogra> yo
[09:54] <Tenniru> Ah. Unlocked it.
[09:54] <Skif> LinuxJones: I am too far from the CO to get DSL, and the cable company does not offer cable internet here... I don't have a helluva lot of options
[09:54] <LinuxJones> Skif, ya that sucks
[09:54] <ogra> Skif: german ?
[09:54] <Skif> I have plenty of bandwidth for IRC and downloading .debs
[09:54] <diego> how are runlevels handled in ubuntu?
[09:54] <Skif> ...and upload them for that matter
[09:54] <diego> how are runlevels handled in ubuntu?
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, update-rc.d
[09:54] <Skif> ogra: er, can you be more terse, please?  I might have an idea what you were asking?
[09:54] <ogra> Skif: you are german, eh ?
[09:54] <Skif> ogra: nope.  Born in Memphis, home of the King, baby.
[09:54] <Skif> mmm, poffertjes.
[09:54] <diego> LinuxJones: is that the same as gentoo's rc-update or just similarly named?
[09:54] <Skif> and stroopwafels!
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, not really
[09:54] <Skif> Americans just don't know what we're missing with the imported stuff
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, to add a service startup script to the default rl's 2345 you would do update-rc.d <ScriptServiceName> defaults
[09:54] <Tenniru> Next question. I have downloaded SDL, the folder is in my Desktop, and I just finished make-ing it.
[09:54] <Tenniru> Where do I go now?
[09:54] <ogra> Tenniru: why didn'T you take the ubuntu package ?
[09:54] <diego> LinuxJones: i see...mine always hangs on setting up networking or something...i'm not sure whether to remove that or try and fix it
[09:54] <Tenniru> I did, but when I tried to compile ZSNES it says it needs SDL.
[09:54] <Tenniru> So I figured I need to install a newer version (it wants SDL 1.2.7)
[09:55] <Tenniru> I mean, it wants SDL 1.2.0.
[09:55] <Skif> Tenniru: did you install libsdl1.2-dev ?
[09:55] <Tenniru> I don't know.
[09:55] <ogra> Tenniru: there is znes in universe.....
[09:55] <LinuxJones> diego, the boot process stalls when starting networking ?
[09:55] <Skif> Tenniru: when you compile something, you need the -dev package in addition to the regular library package.
[09:55] <diego> LinuxJones: yeah
[09:56] <diego> LinuxJones: i always either have to wait for a really long time out or ctrl+c it
[09:56] <Skif> SO if configure says "can't find sdl library" you need ot think "hrm, I need libsdl and libsdl-dev (or in this case libsdl1.2 and libsdl1.2-dev)"
[09:56] <diego> LinuxJones: any ideas? this is on a laptop but an internal wifi card
[09:56] <Tenniru> SO... what do I do?
[09:57] <diego> ogra: lol
[09:57] <LinuxJones> diego, Ubuntu is not very swift during boot (for me anyway) :D
[09:57] <Skif> Tenniru: install znes from universe?
[09:57] <Tenniru> What is Universe?
[09:57] <ctalkep> hi guys
[09:57] <Skif> Tenniru: see the FAQ
[09:57] <Tenniru> Yes, I'm clueless...
[09:57] <Tenniru> Okay.
[09:57] <ctalkep> need help for installing mplayer
[09:57] <ogra> Tenniru: enable universe in synaptic: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[09:57] <diego> LinuxJones: think if i add the networking modules to modules.autoload it would help?
[09:57] <ctalkep> did some google and found repositories, yet apt-get reports broken dependencies
[09:58] <LinuxJones> diego, add your module to /etc/modules
[09:58] <LinuxJones> diego, that could be your problem right there
[09:58] <ctalkep> what do i do now??
[09:58] <diego> LinuxJones: all right, i'll try that later and let you know.. networking _does_ work though...
[09:59] <LinuxJones> diego, you don't have to load it manually ?
[09:59] <diego> LinuxJones: nope
[09:59] <ogra> ctalkep: what kind of repos ?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> diego, that
[09:59] <cenerentola> hi all there
[09:59] <gruberman> How compatible is openoffice and the m$ office?
[10:00] <ctalkep> ogra, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[10:00] <cenerentola> well access is not compatible..
[10:00] <LinuxJones> diego, GL
[10:00] <ogra> gruberman: pretty good, there are some font issues sometimes...and macros are bad on linux ;)
[10:00] <diego> LinuxJones: Requesting a sentence! i have no idea what you just tried to tell me
[10:00] <LinuxJones> gruberman, it's not 100 % compatible but not bad
[10:01] <LinuxJones> diego, sorry I mis-typed :P
[10:01] <ogra> ctalkep: did you sudo apt-get update ?
[10:01] <cenerentola> all: sorry but who should i ask to for the installer translation?
[10:01] <Tenniru> Arg. I have to go.
[10:01] <Tenniru> Bye.
[10:01] <ctalkep> ogra, yep
[10:01] <ctalkep> libvorbis0 conflicts with some other pacjages on my machine
[10:02] <ogra> ctalkep: try changing from stable to testing
[10:02] <ctalkep> how do i do that?
[10:02] <ogra> ctalkep: change the word stable to testing
[10:02] <LinuxJones> diego, you could look @ the output of dmesg to see if something is having trouble during boot.
[10:03] <diego> LinuxJones: ah yes, will do
[10:03] <ctalkep> ogra, reports ackages
[10:03] <ctalkep> sorry
[10:03] <ctalkep> ogra, reports broken packages
[10:04] <ogra> ctalkep: have you enabled universe ?
[10:04] <tvon|x31> mdz: Hey, your wiki link in the Hoary kickoff mail doesnt seem to exist
[10:04] <trondaso> digeo: does your laptop have another NIC?
[10:04] <diego> trondaso: it has 1 wired nic and 1 wireless nic, neither are pcmcia
[10:05] <ctalkep> yes
[10:05] <tvon|x31> mdz: ah, its HoaryKickoffMeeting
[10:05] <ctalkep> ogra, my mistake, i have left another record in the sources.list with stable main
[10:05] <trondaso> diego: it could be your wired nic waiting for dhcp
[10:05] <tvon|x31> mdz: sending correction to list
[10:05] <ogra> ctalkep: ahh
[10:05] <ctalkep> ogra, it is downloading now, did not report errors
[10:05] <diego> trondaso: hmm...how could i look at that?
[10:06] <ctalkep> ogra, stupid of me ....
[10:06] <ogra> ctalkep: will work ;)
[10:06] <ctalkep> ogra, thanks a lot:)
[10:08] <trondaso> diego: you could try to substitue auto eth0 with noauto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:08] <diego> trondaso: ty
[10:09] <trondaso> diego: but then you would have to bring your wired nic up manually when needed
[10:09] <diego> trondaso: yeah that shouldn't be a big deal
[10:10] <diego> trondaso: or maybe i could put a 3 second timeout on it
[10:10] <trondaso> diego: yeah, that would probably do the trick
[10:11] <ogra> mdz: the link from the mail to the Kickoff page doesn't work (at least in evo) .....strange behavior
[10:12] <ogra> mdz: ahh, it's missing Hoary
[10:13] <ogra> mdz: sent a correction
[10:14] <tvon|x31> ogra: hah, I just sent one
[10:14] <ogra> lol: deutsche genauigkeit ?
[10:15] <tvon|x31> who?
[10:16] <GotD0t> does anybody know of any good DVD authoring apps?
[10:16] <ogra> tvon|x31: your name implies yor're german
[10:17] <tvon|x31> ogra: oh, yes, by name only :)
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <ogra> ok, balimore, i see.... *g*
[10:17] <tvon|x31> yup :)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, I don't think that there are any atm :D
[10:18] <GotD0t> So I guess I need a mac, considering there are not any that allow for full customization in windows
[10:20] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, Mac's are the only real option for Multimedia/Authoring at the moment
[10:20] <GotD0t> linux: there has to be SOMETHING that works on windows or linux
[10:22] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, there was 1 project (that I know of) in development for Linux let me have a look.
[10:23] <diego> well i'm outta here, thanks for the suggestions earlier
[10:23] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, dvd author >> here's a link from Linux Journal of it in action http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6953
[10:24] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, it's not pretty either :D
[10:25] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i dont need pretty, i need functional
[10:25] <khronic> PearPC running iDVD? :P
[10:27] <dmallery_> help: stuck after base-config asks for wrong cd...
[10:28] <GotD0t> dmallery_ you should remove the CD from the repositories list
[10:30] <dmallery_> you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:30] <GotD0t> yea
[10:30] <dmallery_> thanks...
[10:30] <GotD0t> just comment out deb cdrom:
[10:34] <srbaker> okay, so it takes about 15 minutes for gnome to start on my laptop
[10:34] <srbaker> the problem is (i think) acpi or apic related.
[10:34] <srbaker> can someone help me troubleshoot this?
[10:34] <ogra> srbaker: DMA ?
[10:34] <__daniel> does dmesg complain?
[10:35] <ogra> srbaker: how long does it take to open a file ?
[10:36] <srbaker> ogra, n, it's not dma
[10:36] <srbaker> __daniel, dmesg complains about pciehp and shpch
[10:36] <khronic> ubuntu is a breath of fresh air.. :)
[10:36] <srbaker> p
[10:37] <__daniel> srbaker, hm, seems quite normal
[10:37] <ogra> srbaker: no prob, it's a cosmetic issue
[10:37] <__daniel> srbaker, /var/log/syslog doesnt say anything funny?
[10:37] <will> hi, when i run a WINE program, the wine-systray stays up and 'closing it' is not a valid option, i have to kill it with system monitor, does anyone know what this is about? 
[10:38] <stodge> Is there a way to refresh the Gnome menu - it doesn't get updated after I install an app using Synaptic
[10:39] <srbaker> __daniel, no.  and it's not normal
[10:39] <srbaker> under debian, i don't have this problem ever if i'm sure to use acpi=force on the kernel cmd line
[10:39] <srbaker> in fedora, the same
[10:39] <__daniel> srbaker, not normal?
[10:39] <Keybuk> stodge: on a plain ubuntu system?  (ie. you haven't removed famd or portmap, etc.)
[10:39] <Keybuk> stodge: also what's the app?
[10:39] <stodge> yes
[10:39] <stodge> It was pythoncard
[10:40] <ogra> srbaker: pcihp...  is normal __daniel said
[10:40] <Keybuk> it probably just doesn't have a .desktop file
[10:40] <stodge> ok
[10:40] <LinuxJones> stodge, update-menus ?
[10:40] <srbaker> oh, okay.
[10:40] <ogra> LinuxJones: doesnt work for gnome
[10:40] <srbaker> i agree, nothing out of the ordinary is being *reported*
[10:40] <stodge> Never heard of that - I'll try it. THanks
[10:41] <LinuxJones> ogra, I dunno why it is on my comp
[10:41] <srbaker> gnome-session takes about 15 minutes to complete
[10:41] <srbaker> and i don't get a splash screen
[10:41] <ogra> LinuxJones: dunno either, but fam should care
[10:41] <stodge> srbaker: are you having poor performance? Sorry missed most of hte conversation
[10:41] <srbaker> styes.
[10:41] <srbaker> stodge, yes
[10:41] <ogra> srbaker: have you migrated a old home dir ?
[10:41] <stodge> Do you have noapic and nolapic as kernel arguments in grub?
[10:42] <Keybuk> srbaker: try logging out, switching a console (Alt+F1), log in as you, do 'rm -rf .gnome2 .gconf', logout, Alt+F7 to get back to the login screen, then login again
[10:42] <will> my gnome is quite slow too running on a 500 celeron
[10:42] <srbaker> Keybuk, tried it
[10:42] <srbaker> Keybuk, no workie
[10:42] <__daniel> will, what does    top   say?
[10:42] <srbaker> __daniel, top also says nothing out of the ordinary
[10:43] <srbaker> will, it's not that kind of slow. 
[10:43] <will> on
[10:43] <__daniel> will, or what hogs the memory (type M when u use top)
[10:43] <will> oh
[10:43] <Keybuk> srbaker: if you strace gnome-session, what's it doing?
[10:43] <srbaker> hang on
[10:43] <Keybuk> and have you modified this box at all?  it is a virgin ubuntu box and you haven't removed anything, right?
[10:44] <stodge> Hmm Totem won't play a WMV file
[10:45] <will> stoge get the w32 dlls
[10:45] <srbaker> Keybuk, right.  virgin ubuntu
[10:45] <will> stodge even
[10:45] <stodge> ok
[10:45] <srbaker> okay, i'm booting it.  only acpi=force on the cmd line 
[10:45] <srbaker> then i'll strace gnome-session
[10:46] <Keybuk> why do you need the acpi=force ?
[10:46] <ogra> stodge: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:46] <Keybuk> if it's a laptop old enough to need that, it's likely acpi won't work properlt
[10:46] <stodge> srbaker: put noapic and nolapic on the command line
[10:46] <stodge> ogra: thanks
[10:46] <srbaker> Keybuk, okay, just one second
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, it seems to be worse without it, but i'll do without
[10:47] <will> stodge: look at http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[10:47] <Keybuk> define "worse"?  more locking up?
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, no, it takes about 10 minutes to *boot*
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, hang on, i'll give you the play by play
[10:47] <Keybuk> where is it spending the time?
[10:48] <srbaker> okay, "Starting Ubuntu..."
[10:48] <Keybuk> 10 minutes is a lot of time to loose, is it slowly getting lost
[10:48] <Keybuk> or is one or two things taking ages
[10:48] <Keybuk> ok
[10:48] <srbaker> hang on.  actually, it doesn't seem to be going slower than usual.  hrm.  i could have misremembered acpi=force's usefulness
[10:48] <will> srbaker: do you have DMA compatible drives? or a mix of DMA/NON DMA?
[10:49] <srbaker> will, it's not a dma problem
[10:49] <srbaker> Keybuk, okay, i'm at gdm login screen.....   no
[10:49] <srbaker> Keybuk, nevermind, acpi=force must *not* be needed
[10:49] <srbaker> i just logged in.  now i have the orange screen, with my cursor
[10:49] <will> does anyone know how to fix the DMA problem? i have it hdd is non dma compatible and i get horrible DMA timer expiries!
[10:49] <srbaker> and the computer is not doing anything.
[10:50] <srbaker> erm, hdd activity, but very long periods between.
[10:50] <srbaker> Keybuk, my only change to this machine is "SCursor" in XF86Config...  and that was *after* i startd having these probelms
[10:50] <srbaker> Keybuk, it's stuck in poll()
[10:50] <srbaker> it seems to be
[10:51] <will> srbaker: have you tried booting without the quiet mode on?
[10:51] <ogra> srbaker: "SCursor" ??
[10:51] <mdz> srbaker: how recent is your install?
[10:51] <Keybuk> poll just means it's waiting for things to happen
[10:51] <ogra> srbaker: you mean "SWCursor"
[10:51] <srbaker> mdz, i installed it this morning
[10:51] <__daniel> srbaker, hmmm, but what's poll()ing so long?
[10:51] <srbaker> ogra, yes.
[10:51] <ogra> ok
[10:51] <mdz> srbaker: from warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[10:52] <stodge> Does the Ubuntu package for the NVidia driver configure the card as PCI or AGP automatiaclly? It seems slower than the default driver (nv?)
[10:52] <srbaker> mdz, yes
[10:52] <srbaker> Keybuk, now it seems to be hanging on read()
[10:52] <Keybuk> what's the fd, and what's the other end of it?
[10:52] <srbaker> read(16, )
[10:52] <ogra> stodge: did you reboot after install ? the modules is needed
[10:52] <mdz> stodge: the nv driver is superior in many ways; you should not use the nvidia driver unless you have no choice
[10:53] <ogra> module
[10:53] <srbaker> read(16, is where it seems to be hanging now.
[10:53] <srbaker> it sits in read(16, for ...  about 70 seconds?
[10:53] <stodge> I need h/w 3D support
[10:53] <stodge> I just restarted X - no reboot
[10:54] <srbaker> okay, and *now* it hangs on poll(
[10:54] <__daniel> srbaker, what does it write above read() and poll()?
[10:54] <srbaker> Keybuk, i started gnome-session over so i could grab a more complete trace.
[10:54] <srbaker> can't backscroll now, but it was something about gnome-login
[10:54] <Keybuk> ok, when you've got that, use lsof to see what the other end of fd 16 is
[10:55] <srbaker> i have a feeling it's waiting while something *else* hangs on a read.
[10:55] <ogra> srbaker: did you migrate your home from a former install ?
[10:55] <srbaker> lsof -d 16 gives me
[10:56] <srbaker> esd, bonobo-ac (-activation?), gnome-set (settings-daemon?) gnome-ses (session?), gconfd-2
[10:56] <ploum> I've installed Win98 on hda1 (1Go) and Ubuntu on hda2 (2Go).  Why Win98 show me a 3Go disk ? Does it will erase Ubuntu if I have a too big file ?
[10:56] <srbaker> ogra, no.
[10:56] <Keybuk> srbaker: what's the gnome-session line actually say?
[10:57] <srbaker> "gnome-ses 3765 srbaker 16u 0xc55953a0 8601 socket"
[10:58] <will> okay, do i need to update to the newly released wartY?? or can i do it through synaptic?
[10:58] <dona> I just install ubuntu on a dell 4100 laptop. For some reason the system locks up when switching from AC to battery. Any ideas?
[10:58] <hypn0> ploum: Go is GB?
[10:58] <Pete-Gas> whenver I connect my ipod with usb2 it crashes hal
[10:59] <Pete-Gas> I can connect it with firewire and all is good
[10:59] <Pete-Gas> but once I plug it in with usb is shuts down
[11:00] <srbaker> Keybuk, thoughts?
[11:05] <GotD0t> does anybody know a way to make numlock turn on when the system reboots
[11:07] <mr_tob> hi
[11:07] <srbaker> okay, that was weird as *shit*
[11:08] <Keybuk> srbaker: do the strace, and see how it gets the fd it blocks on while reading/polling
[11:08] <Keybuk> ie look for open or socket, or something
[11:08] <srbaker> Keybuk, wait.  i think it may be fixed
[11:08] <guptan> Anybody tried installting Xfce on ubuntu?
[11:08] <mr_tob> how do i get the plugins for work totem with an athlon 64?
[11:08] <ogra> guptan: heard of serveral people running t
[11:08] <__daniel> GotD0t, there's an option in  /etc/console-tools/config  but i'm not sure if it should be changed - better ask the rest of the guys in here first
[11:09] <guptan> ogra, I'm getting some unmet dependency problems
[11:09] <ogra> guptan: have you done sudo apt-get update ?
[11:09] <guptan> can somebody give me the required apt sources for getting Xfce
[11:09] <guptan> ogra, yes
[11:09] <srbaker> Keybuk, i created a new user, foobar
[11:09] <will> ogra: switch to totem-xine
[11:10] <ogra> guptan: universe enabled ?
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, yes
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, logged in with myself (srbaker), same thing.  so i killed X via keyboard, and then logged in with user foobar, and it worked fine
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, so i just removed all of the dotfiles in my home dir, and rebooting, so i can try it
[11:10] <mr_tob> is there a way to get totem 64bit running with the win32codecs?
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, that was after areboot with noapic nolapic, btw
[11:10] <ogra> guptan: afetr enabling it also a apt-get update ?
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 I followed instructions on this article
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, universe was already enabled in my system
[11:11] <srbaker> anyone know how i can disable hotplug stuff?  i want to completely disable pci and isapnp hotplug
[11:11] <Keybuk> srbaker: rm /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[11:11] <Keybuk> but then you'll get no useful drivers loaded
[11:12] <ogra> guptan: so why didnt you take the ubuntu packages form universe ?
[11:12] <jtko1> does anyone know when eclipse will be in universe ? 
[11:12] <srbaker> Keybuk, this is *fucked up*
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> hi
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> how to restart the connection wuthout restarting the pc ?
[11:12] <__daniel> srbaker, why not blacklist it?
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> the dhcp lookup
[11:12] <guptan> ogra, is there Xfce packages in universe?
[11:12] <__daniel> flash\\lptp, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:12] <srbaker> Keybuk, gnome works fine for user foobar, but not for use srbaker
[11:12] <srbaker> even when i rm -rf /home/srbaker/<all-dotfiles-except-bash-ones>
[11:12] <ogra> guptan: yep, search with synaptic or "apt-cache search"
[11:13] <srbaker> wait.  false alarm
[11:13] <Keybuk> srbaker: anything in Desktop ?
[11:13] <guptan> ogra, yes I find it, but its old one
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, removed that too
[11:13] <srbaker> for some reason, user foobar is locking on login now, too
[11:13] <srbaker> it worked once, pre-reboot
[11:13] <srbaker> *sigh*
[11:13] <ogra> guptan: xfce4 , is there a newe one ?
[11:13] <Keybuk> trace what's locking it up then :)
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, sorry.  it's working for user foobar, just slowly.
[11:13] <flash\\lptp> how can I save a file for knoppix so that he reads that one when booting?
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, not working for user srbaker at all
[11:13] <GotD0t> does anybody know an RSS/Atom aggregator with native HTTPS support?
[11:14] <guptan> ogra, 4.2 or something like that
[11:14] <ogra> guptan: so you should compile them....
[11:14] <__daniel> GotD0t, i just know liferea, straw and blam - you tried these?
[11:14] <guptan> ogra, ooh, so I better use ubuntu packages :|
[11:14] <ogra> guptan: it's quite eaysier
[11:14] <GotD0t> __daniel well ive tried liferea but it doesnt have HTTPS suport, and I cant get curl working through it
[11:15] <guptan> ogra, for a newb?
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> on ubuntu and debian I modified the /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted and it worked but on knoppix it doesnt save the stuff ..
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> I cant save it
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> cause it is on cd
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> any idea?
[11:15] <ogra> guptan: and you don't mess up your system with the debian packages (ubuntu is not debian)
[11:15] <jtko1> does anybody know how to install eclipse ?
[11:16] <__daniel> guptan, write to ubuntu-users mailing list to ask for the repackaging of a newer version
[11:16] <__daniel> guptan, (and try the "old" version for now) :-)
[11:17] <guptan> well __daniel, I think new ones are still beta, 4.2 beta is the version name I guess
[11:18] <__daniel> guptan, the ubuntu developers will sort out which version to use :-)
[11:18] <Dethread> anyone know where the C std library man pages are? they don't seem to be there in ubuntu :(
[11:19] <guptan> __daniel, ubuntu provides version 3.0 and in universe u can find 4.2
[11:19] <__daniel> guptan, well install the universe version :-)
[11:20] <guptan> __daniel, almost installed, let synaptic do configuring packages for me
[11:21] <dona> How can I get my 82801 audio controller to work? The mixer tells me that no devices are found.
 on ubuntu and debian I modified the /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted and it worked but on knoppix it doesnt save the stuff ..
 I cant save it
 cause it is on cd
 any idea?
[11:22] <srbaker> grrrrrrrrr
[11:22] <tvon|x31> try #knoppix maybe
[11:24] <mr_tob> how can i bootstrap ubuntu?
[11:24] <mr_tob> is there a bootstrap script available?
[11:25] <tvon|x31> you can bootstrap debian Woody and upgrade from there
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> bootstrap i.e. recompile?
[11:25] <mr_tob> no, i want to set up a 32bit chroot environment
[11:25] <mr_tob> because i need to run totem with the win32codes package
[11:26] <tvon|x31> I initially installed my destkop with ubuntu using debootstrap and a woody chroot
[11:26] <Yannick_R> I just installed ubuntu and my server X doesn't want to start, I check the conf files and the Os detected the right card and the right screnn resolution what should I do ?
[11:26] <ogra> Yannick_R: what's the errormessage
[11:27] <mr_tob> tvon|x31: hmm, :( i'm starting bootstraping woody now
[11:27] <Yannick_R> it's on a laptop, the screen is all messed up, I pluged it on my desktop screen and it doesn't say any detail, just that it can't start
[11:28] <mr_tob> is there another way to run totem with win32codecs without using a chroot environment?
[11:28] <jef1> Does someone have time for an installation problem?
[11:28] <jdub> jef1: always
[11:28] <jdub> jef1: give us your best shot
[11:28] <ogra> Yannick_R: if X can't start it normally offers you the log (in a blue screen) 
[11:28] <jef1> I am getting a grub 21 error after the initial installation of ubuntu
[11:29] <jef1> I have an Epox 8K5A mobo with the kt333 chipset
[11:29] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob: set up /lib to contain 32 bit libs
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  the FHS says that /lib64 contains 64 bit libs, /lib contains 32 bit libs
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> you could install a 32 bit totem into. . . some odd directory
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> and put 32 bit libs in /lib
[11:30] <rjek> I'm in Wales.  It's raining.
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> though i'm not sure how ubuntu has multilib set up.
[11:31] <enabl> its always raining in Wales rjek
[11:31] <mr_tob> rjek: it's always raining in wales, isn't it?
[11:31] <bluefoxicy> is it raining whales?
[11:31] <srbaker_> okay
[11:31] <rjek> bluefoxicy: Almost.
[11:31] <bluefoxicy> Dolphins then?
[11:31] <srbaker_> it *seems* to be working with noapic nolapic and acpi=off
[11:31] <srbaker_> not sure if it'll run this well when i reboot, though
[11:31] <srbaker_> that remains to be seen
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> __daniel: ?
[11:32] <__daniel> :-)
[11:32] <__daniel> something AS common as rain in whales :-)
[11:33] <jef1> I will try anything if anyone has any suggestions!
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> yeah but how often do people drop rice
[11:33] <srbaker_> jef1, what was the problem?  i missed it.
[11:33] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: there is a /lib32 and a /lib64, lib64 is linked to /lib
[11:33] <jef1> I get a Grub 21 error on the intial reboot after the install
[11:33] <__daniel> bluefoxicy, maybe they didnt do it on purpose
[11:33] <srbaker_> jef1, oh.  i don't know anything about grub, sorry.
[11:40] <jef1> Hi everyone...I am new to Ubuntu and I was wondering where the best place to find answers to Ubuntu? I have a Grub 21 error on startup so I am down pretty hard right now.
[11:40] <__daniel> jef1, i'm no professional especially not in grub issues, but doesnt it say anything else?
[11:41] <jef1> No...just Grub error 21
[11:41] <jdub> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html
[11:41] <jdub> ^ one solution
[11:42] <jef1> OK I will try that.
[11:43] <mr_tob> Yannick_R: what apt sources i have to put in sources.list if i want to upgrade the woody base system?
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  sounds like multilib on ubuntu is fucked up ;P
[11:43] <__daniel> jdub, hehe... just googled across that one too
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> gentoo is struggling with that crap too
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> when they first started doing amd64, some idiot decided to do /lib -> /lib64 + /lib32
[11:43] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: i have to install the i386 port first with bootstrap
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> when AMD and the FHS say /lib64 and /lib
[11:44] <MeAndU> where did the www.ubuntuforums.org go
[11:44] <bluefoxicy> when standards from your HARDWARE SUPPLIER and from a STANDARDS PROECT both say the same thing, they generally know what they're talking about :)
[11:44] <MeAndU> did they change address
[11:45] <Krypt0n> MeAndU: works here
[11:46] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: hmm, could be but its no solution in my case, i have to set up the 32bit subsystem in any way :(
[11:46] <bluefoxicy> heh
[11:46] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  don't pay much attention to me :)
[11:47] <RuffianSoldier> where do i untar these GKRellm themes to?
[11:48] <ljlane> RuffianSoldier: look at the FILES section at the bottom of the gkrellm man page.
[11:50] <jewdan> what do I use when administering http://localhost:631 , how do I log in
[11:50] <GotD0t> can anybody help me get apache running?
[11:50] <jewdan> i did a passwd root and set a root password and tried logging in with that but it doesnt work
[11:51] <ljlane> jewdan, use the gtk config manager
[11:51] <jewdan> the one under computer menu at the top and then Printing
[11:52] <jewdan> computer -> system config -> printing
[11:52] <ljlane> jewdan, yes
[11:52] <jewdan> yea i tried that 
[11:53] <zenwhen> ever get so stoned you accidentally tried to play music with epiphant because you thought it was rhymbox?
[11:53] <zenwhen> rhtmbox*
[11:53] <zenwhen> man that sucks
[11:56] <ogra> rt: GO GO GO
[11:56] <rt> will I enjoy ubuntu?
[11:56] <Krypt0n> sorry if it has been asked before, but any idea when the new live cd will be coming out?
[11:56] <RuffianSoldier> ljlane, wtf is gkjrellm man page?
[11:56] <rt> heresy as it is, I'm not overly fond of debian.
[11:57] <Eno_> depends why you don't enjoy it
[11:57] <GotD0t> can anybody help me with apache?
[11:57] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: type: man gkrellm in a terminal
[11:57] <__daniel> GotD0t, just ask your question
[11:57] <rsgill> hello everyone
[11:57] <rsgill> i just installed warthog and i can't get totem to play any of my media files
[11:57] <GotD0t> well i dont know how to set it up
[11:57] <rsgill> i install the win32codecs but still no luck
[11:58] <jdub> rsgill: enable universe, install totem-xine
[11:58] <GotD0t> heh, i just need a very simple set up.... access through my localhost
[11:58] <ogra> rsgill: totem-xine
[11:58] <kent> rsgill, maybe you should install the totem-xine package? im not sure if the default totem use thewin32codecs.
[11:58] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, where do i find the "FILE" part that he was talking about
[11:58] <rsgill> i already enable universe
[11:59] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: scroll down ?
[11:59] <RuffianSoldier> nope
[11:59] <RuffianSoldier> cant do that
[11:59] <jdub> rsgill: so you jsut need to install totem-xine, now
[11:59] <rsgill> but when i try to install totem-xine it says it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <jdub> rsgill: that's fine
[11:59] <rsgill> oh ok
[11:59] <rsgill> i'll give it a try now
[11:59] <kmdr_winebago> hello i'm installing ubuntu as my second system on an ibm thinkpad r40e and the wiki says it works fine but i can't get it to boot. first it hung up on the frame buffer (?) so I added the extra parameter suggested in one of the helps. next time it hung up a step earlier, while setting up some kind of logs. support, please.