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toyowheelinGotD0t, are you using it for webdev practice?12:00
rsgilli have anohter question about evolution12:00
__danielGotD0t, tell it to         AllowOverride None        Order deny,allow        Deny from all        Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/12812:00
rsgillis there a button i could hit to apply filters?12:01
ljlaneRuffianSoldier: there's a section named FILE in nearly all man pages. You can do "/FILE<enter>" to get (search, really) to it. The THEMES section may be of more interest to you though. Press "N" to repeat a search.12:01
GotD0ttoyowheelin: no actually... its kinda complicated, i know what i need to do i just dont know how to set up apache12:01
ljlaneerr, FILES12:01
RuffianSoldierMay someone just friggen t3ell me where to untar it too? i find this a bit uneccesary12:01
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rthmm.  I should rig up this belkin monitor switch before I do this.12:02
__danielRuffianSoldier, have a look in /usr/share/gkrellm *shrug* (don't have it installed)12:02
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rtso, as this disk burns, can someone explain to me why they think that ubuntu has gotten a lot of buzz lately?12:03
rtwhat does it offer that other distributions do not?12:03
GotD0tcuz its great12:03
GotD0thaha12:03
rtall distributions are great, at least if you ask the people that make them.12:04
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GotD0twell i certainly didnt make ubuntu12:04
toyowheelinrt it works in 64bit easly12:04
GotD0t;-)12:04
toyowheelin???12:04
SmokingFireI read the RIAA is cracking down on win32codecs downloads. $10,000 minimal penalties. Of course ubuntu/Canonical has to monitor this channel and forward all of its logs.12:04
toyowheelin:shrug:12:04
Eno_rt: its basically debian with a six month release cycle and easier install with nice defaults12:04
rtdon't have any 64 bit machines, so that's not a big selling point w/ me.12:04
rthow could the RIAA crack down on win32codec downloads?12:05
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GotD0tsmokingfire i dont believe the riaa has any right to the logs12:05
toyowheelinSmokingFire, thats nice12:05
GotD0tlegal or moral12:05
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toyowheelinremind me to go get those codecs later12:06
toyowheelinlol12:06
SmokingFireNot, saying its true but its nice to start stupid rumors, lets see how far this one goes.12:06
SmokingFireLike the other one of IBM buying ubuntu12:06
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jdubrt: every time i tell people about a commercially supported derivative of debian, with a regular release schedule, with a great group of people from Debian/GNOME/Python/etc working on it, they grab my collar and demand to know where it is. (Of course, since Preview, that hasn't been a huge issue.)12:06
rtwith the elections here coming up, there is plenty of stupidity.  Why not start rumors which are actually intelligent and true instead?12:06
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adam_uh... here's a dumb question, i have a deb package on my hd, how do i install it?12:06
adam_lol12:06
GotD0tsee, its people like you that make crazy finnish professors say the internet is going to end in 2006 because of viruses and bad info floating around12:07
jdubadam_: sudo dpkg -i <package>12:07
__danieladam_, dpkg -i bla.deb12:07
SmokingFirert: If its intelligent and true then its news and not a rumor.12:07
__danieladam_: oh yes, jdub's right12:07
jdubadam_: why do you have a separate debian package (instead of something via apt)?12:07
rtheh.  You don't watch much news, do you?12:07
adam_its not on the repositories?12:07
jdubguys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please12:07
jdubadam_: what is it?12:07
adam_its bitpim, allows me to put ringers on my phone12:07
rtokay, time to go swap my cables around, and then give ubuntu a try.12:08
adam_it actually comes as an RPM, i converted it to a deb using alien12:08
jdubaha12:08
GotD0tis that such a good idea?12:08
adam_sweet it works yay :-) thanks.12:08
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GotD0tguess so12:08
GotD0theh12:08
matthewhow can i get divx and xvid to work with gstreamer?12:09
GotD0toooh, RIAA go get matthew... he wants codecs12:09
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matthewGotD0t: yes.12:09
GotD0tmatthew: it was a joke... cant help you sorry12:10
matthewhrmm12:10
matthewi cant find the packages in restrcted12:10
Sensebendcough w32codecs cough12:10
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GotD0tthats pretty cool. where can i get the button?12:10
adam_why wouldn't it work?12:10
matthewSensebend: would it be called gstreamer0.8-w32codecs?12:10
__danielGotD0t, it came with my desk :-)12:10
adam_if it doens't, it doesn't work and i'll uninstall heeh12:10
Sensebenddunno never used gstreamer, but that package includes a lot of proprietary codecs12:12
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mjrthere's no gstreamer plugin for w32codecs12:13
jdubmatthew: w32codecs is not available from the ubuntu repositories, you can get it from marillat's12:13
JewDanwhen I try to compile my printer driver i get this :: ./xlexinstall: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:13
JewDan12:13
JewDanwhats wrong12:13
mjrit's doable, of course, but nobody's done it12:13
matthewok12:14
Sensebendis gstreamer a media player?12:14
__danielJewDan, you seem to have to install tk8.3 before12:14
Eno_JewDan: install apt-file, apt-file search libtk8.3.so12:14
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Eno_it's tk8.3-dev12:15
matthewalso i have a hp5850 printer, it has 802.11b wireless support and it able to be shared with all my windows computers, does anyone know how to make it work in linux?12:15
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alka_trashdamn ubuntu is good!12:19
brettcaralka_trash: Welcome to the cult!12:19
moyoteLight the fires. :-)12:20
Sensebendwelcome!12:20
alka_trashI just plugged in my multi-disk reader and BAM! there is was 12:20
Sensebendnow give $5 to all cult err users12:20
moyoteI must say ubuntu is quite painless and smooth12:20
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jdubSensebend: gstreamer is a library/framework for multimedia applications to use12:20
SensebendI switched from Sarge, so the transition wasn't bad at all12:21
alka_trashThe only thing that I don't get is that my other hard drives don't show up in gnome under computer12:21
Sensebendare they in /etc/fstab?12:21
alka_trashSensebend: yep12:21
Sensebendor mounted?12:21
alka_trashand they are mounted at /mnt/...12:21
alka_trashI can browse to them 12:22
alka_trashmaybe I should try to unplug them while it's hot and hotplugg will detect them.  12:22
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jef1Is there a way to load the Grub bootloader on a floppy, and start up with that?12:24
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GotD0twhere is the apache2 default htdocs directory?12:24
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jdubGotD0t: /var/www (see /etc/apache2/ for the configuration)12:25
ograGotD0t: /var/www12:25
JoePenguinI see that there is a tool for changing screen resolution. What about color depth?12:25
jdubJoePenguin: has to be done in the configuration file12:26
jdubthe screen resolution gui thingy only applies to RandR12:26
JoePenguinoh ok12:26
GotD0tthanks12:27
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root___hi guys12:28
ograhi root :) how's administration ?12:28
Lukhashehe12:28
moyotelo12:28
root___how can i install a .deb file, which is on my hdd?12:28
brettcarroot___: dpkg -i package.deb12:28
ogradpkg -i12:28
srbakerrobster, dpkg -i12:28
brettcarroot___: P.s. don't IRC as root12:28
srbakergrrr nick comp12:28
srbakerroot___, dpkg -i12:28
root___ops12:28
root___sorry:)12:29
srbakerroot___, are you using ubuntu12:29
srbaker?12:29
mjr*sigh* there used to be a noble goal to be able to change color depth at will with XRandR also, but that's pretty much on hold12:29
kmdr_winebagook i know you all need time to think cause this is serious, but maybe someone can help me?: hello i'm installing ubuntu as my second system on an ibm thinkpad r40e and the wiki says it works fine but i can't get it to boot. first it hung up on the frame buffer (?) so I added the extra parameter suggested in one of the helps. next time it hung up a step earlier, while setting up some kind of...12:29
kmdr_winebago...logs. support, please.12:29
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alka_trashI got it, it was a permissions issue in fstab ( doh ) 12:30
rileyanybody else having problems viewing MPEG, DVD, and basically every kind of video in Totem?12:31
siretartkmdr_winebago: try adding "nolapic" to your boot options. my r40 works very unreliable with lapic12:31
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kmdr_winebagosiretart, unreliable, as in bad idea to install12:31
spivriley: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:32
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siretartkmdr_winebago: havn't tried. mostly suspend and poweroff didn't work, freezes from time to time.. just give it a try..12:32
kmdr_winebagook12:32
rileyspiv: thanks12:32
mr_tobriley: set up a chroot 32bit environment and if you are successfull then tell me how it is working 12:33
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hazmatwhat does sabdfl stand for?12:35
hazmatsouth african benevolent dictator for life?12:35
sabdflhazmat: close12:35
limaunionriley: I get a blue screen in Totem but playing the file in works as it should12:35
__daniellimaunion, i get it too12:35
rileylimaunion: weird12:35
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hazmathiya mark ... care to end the suspense?12:35
__daniellimaunion, you have to restart totem to get rid of it12:35
ograhazmat: self applied ;)12:37
hazmatah12:37
hazmathehe12:37
limaunionI've restarted but it's the same, in fullscreen works ok...12:37
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rtwell, that was distracting.12:37
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rthard to cook and hack computers simultaneously.12:37
limaunion__daniel: I'm planning to install mplayer...12:40
atariboyyou need a USB powered Ramen noodle cooker then12:40
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atariboy;)12:40
__daniellimaunion, i like totem better12:40
rtramen is only cookng if you make the noodles yourself. :-)12:40
__daniellimaunion, the interface fits into the whole thing, mplayer is strange to me12:40
toyowheelincan you use grep to find all text matching one string but not matching another12:40
__daniellimaunion, but i won't stop you12:40
RuffianSoldieris there a way to make GKrellm HOrizontal?12:40
atariboyrt: who says? :P12:40
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limaunion__daniel: I understand you, but this Totem bug...12:40
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__daniellimaunion, it is although i didnt experience it with totem-gstreamer12:40
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ctalkephi guys12:40
__daniellimaunion, maybe i should file a bug against it12:40
ctalkepany idea why gdesklet ain't working? installed it through synaptic12:40
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__danielctalkep, if you worked it out, tell me :-)12:41
ctalkepoh:(12:41
limaunion__daniel: yes, that would be a great idea, probably there're more people with the same problem12:41
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ctalkeppoor us....12:41
__daniellimaunion, hehe: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=totem+%22blue+screen%22&btnG=Suche&meta=12:42
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limaunion__daniel: good catch!12:42
moyoteWhere are the menu fonts changed? 12:43
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ogralimaunion: try opening the totem menu while playing in bluescreen 12:44
StarScreamis there an application in ubuntu which will let me configure/use my speedtouch usb modem with pppoa? dmesg picks the device up12:45
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ogralimaunion: does the bluescreen go away if you opened  a menu ?12:48
limaunionogra: will try now and tell you12:48
ogralimaunion: i'm experiencing this as well, seems to be related to some overlay stuff....there seems to be no bug in bugzilla.gnome.org12:49
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dommihow would ubuntu work as a media center 12:50
limaunionogra: I can't reproduce now the same behavior, but I'm having another strange problem, if the movie is paused and inmediately un-paused I get 'an error ocurred: the audio device is busy. is another application using it?'12:51
alfhi - i've just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for a little help detecting my wireless card and soundblaster live platinum. tried a few things i found through google, but that hasn't helped so far. can anybody offer some advice?12:52
moyotealf: what wireless card? pci12:53
ogralimaunion: time to file a bug i think...12:53
alfyes, it's a pci card. just trying to remember if it's netgear or linksys - one of the two.12:53
__daniellimaunion, strange: working from the console makes it work for me12:53
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alfnetgear12:54
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moyotealf: if it's a netgear, depending on the model, it may use the atheros driver which works in ubuntu. My card is a Netgear WG311 and no problems setting it up.12:54
alfyes, it's a wg311. what should i do to enable the drivers?12:54
moyotealf: Computer > System> Networking 12:55
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moyotealf: are you using WEP?12:55
limaunionyes, will try to reproduce the sound error behavior with Xine, instead of Totem12:55
ctalkephow do i mount a fat32 partition?12:56
AtnNnmount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /mnt/xxxx12:56
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alfi've tried computer>system>networking, but there are no wireless devices showing up.12:56
ctalkepvfat..........that si weird:)12:56
alfyes, it's a WEP network12:57
moyotealf: you have to add the wireless info12:57
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limaunionit's a Totem bug, Xine doesn't have this sound error...12:57
ogralimaunion: the bluescreen one neither12:58
alfmoyote: what does that involve?12:58
limaunionogra: yes, two Totem bugs... 12:58
ogralimaunion: totem-xine 12:59
moyotealf:the creating a new network connection will step you through the info. You need to know the name of your network and if you use wep, the key that you use.12:59
limaunionogra: yes, you're right!12:59
ctalkephow come i mounted my winXp partition and now i cannot umount it? device is busy??01:00
limaunionogra: can you reproduce the sound error bug ? just start any video and pause/un-pause inmediately01:00
Eno_ctalkep: if you're inside it move out of it, or try /etc/init.d/fam stop and try again01:01
ctalkepi am not inside it, so i'll try tha latter, 10x01:01
__danielctalkep, if your partition is called /bla and on /dev/hdc6 you can do   lsof | grep -E "(/bla|/dev/hdc6)"   to see what's using it01:02
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ctalkepi'll try, thanks a lot01:03
__danielde rien01:03
ogralimaunion: sound works here....01:03
ogralimaunion: no error01:03
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limaunionogra: ok01:04
neodreamsUbuntu rule :)01:04
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mazogshello01:06
neodreamshi :)01:06
__danielhai01:06
blacknyxhey01:06
limaunionhola01:06
mazogshello all, i have a cuestio abount ubuntu01:07
neodreamsBonjour01:07
limaunioncia01:07
limaunionciao01:07
mazogshola limaunion01:07
neodreamsAllo01:07
__danielmazogs, go ahead01:07
limaunionmazogs: hola!01:07
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mazogsi cant install Xvnc in ubuntu why?01:07
ogramaze: it's already built in into gnome :)01:08
__danielmazogs, what message do you get?01:08
eruinanyone know if gnome can use .ico files instead of .png for icon themes?01:08
neodreamsno, i think01:09
ogramazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop01:09
eruincrap01:09
eruinI notice I can use .ico files when manually selecting an icon in nautilus, but can't get them to work as themes01:09
mazogsXvnc is not in vnc-common, a find that lots of packages are incomplete01:09
mazogsbut i just want Xvnc....01:09
ograeruin: yep, it's not windows01:09
__danieleruin, just run   convert bla.ico bla.png01:10
neodreamsyou must use .svg or .png01:10
eruinconvert doesnt handly transparency :/01:10
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ogramazogs: just enable it01:10
eruin"handle it well"01:10
neodreamsor .xpm01:10
mazogsogra: how?01:10
ogramazogs: i wrote it above01:10
__danieleruin, i just converted a transparent one01:10
__danieleruin, and i looks NICE to me :-)01:11
eruinyeah, and shadows look like shit, right?01:11
neodreamslol01:11
eruin__daniel: any special parameters you used?01:11
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__danieleruin, none at all01:11
eruinwas the icon dithered?01:11
agwibowoanyone know any application that looks like sticky note for gnome? kde has kdenotes... what about gnome ? I can't install kdenotes in Ubuntu for some reason...01:11
ogramazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop01:11
eruinie "gradient" transparency01:11
__danieleruin, erm01:11
__danieleruin, i guess you are asking the wrong person01:11
eruin;>01:11
__danieleruin, don't know what dithered or gradient means :-/01:12
eruinI'm working with a bit more advanced .ico's than what comes with windows here ;)01:12
jef1Grub 21 problem solved...Solved my own problem...I switched from using the raid ports to just using the IDE ports on the mobo and it is currently loading up. I was not running raid anyway so I just took out the extra hard drive and switched to an IDE port...hopefully smooth sailing now!01:12
__danieleruin, i could mail both of them to you :-)01:12
limaunionagwibowo: try with gdesklets01:12
eruinspam away at oivind.hoel@gmail.com ;)01:12
mazogsogra: i just want inetd call Xvnc01:12
__danieljef1, *gratulate*01:12
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agwibowolimaunion : thanks.. i'll try that01:12
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sander__agwibowo, there's an awesome app called tomboy. You need to add a mono repository to get it.01:13
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ctalkephas any of you guys ever succeeded to run WhereIsIt on linux?01:13
agwibowosander: how to add the mono repository?01:13
ogramazogs: ok , is your packagelist up to date (did you: sudo apt-get update recently)01:13
ogra?01:13
xenonitehello, does so know how to apply the cool gtk2 theme "human" to the gtk1 applications?01:13
mazogsyes01:13
__danieleruin, sent it out01:13
mazogstonight01:13
eruin__daniel: cheers ;)01:13
ogramazogs: universe enabled ?01:14
mazogsogra: checking...01:14
limaunionagwibowo: np01:14
eruin__daniel: yeah, that's "undithered" transparency ;)01:14
sander__agwibowo, try http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002033.html01:14
mazogsogra: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe01:14
eruinie just two transparency states, no alpha layer01:14
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sander__install the second repository and then install tomboy. It's pretty nice.01:15
agwibowosander: thx01:15
mazogsogra: services-admin is removed from gnome-system-tools also...why?01:15
__danieleruin, i could do no better :-)01:15
ogramazogs: its broken01:15
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__danielmazogs, there are some things in g-s-t that are no longer actively being developed01:16
ogramazogs: so how exactly did you install01:16
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mazogsi see..01:16
ogramazogs: or tried to install01:16
limaunionagwibowo: look here: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=18601:16
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srbaker_is there a graphical tool for editing runlevels?01:16
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mazogsogra: apt-get install vnc-common01:17
willrrrrrun01:17
mazogsogra: says is already installed, but i cant find Xvnc01:17
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ogramazogs: try x11vnc01:18
mazogsogra: ok01:18
agwibowolimaunion: kewl.. thx01:18
Skifhow can I add an icon to open an arbitrary folder to the launch bar?01:18
SkifI can see how to add specific directories from the "Add to Panel..." dialog, but not any random one I care to put up there01:18
mazogsogra: it seems x11vnc exports current session, it is not what i need :(01:19
ogramazogs: what about vncserver ?01:19
mazogsogra: checking...01:21
ogramazogs: works without display01:22
SkifIs this one of those "you can't get here from there" things, or am I just being dense?01:22
mazogsogra: i'm downloading vncserver01:23
mazogsagra: can i use sid's apt-sources to move to sid or will it mess everything?01:24
blacknyxdumb question but im new to umbuntu, are all of the stable packages in debian ages old? 01:25
srbaker_blacknyx, in debian stable?  yes.01:25
brettcarblacknyx: Yes, but what does that have to do with Ubuntu?01:25
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blacknyxI've been told that is where I should go to get applications I need for Ubuntu01:26
ogramazogs: you'll end up with a debian sid box ;) and it will be hard to get support for such a tweaked system01:26
Skifblacknyx: you were told wrong, it's a bad idea01:26
FLeiXiuSblacknyx: where do you go for your apps?01:26
blacknyxSo where would you reccomend my looking?  I'm used to searching for SuSe rpms01:26
brettcarblacknyx: Ubuntu has all the apps you'll ever want01:27
Skifbrett: nope-- it doesn't have audacity01:27
brettcarblacknyx: Run Synaptic and change the repository settings01:27
FLeiXiuSblacknyx: sudo apt-get update && man apt-get01:27
brettcarblacknyx: Enable the universe repository01:27
brettcarblacknyx: Update. Enjoy.01:27
ogramazogs: i guess it would break a lot too01:27
=== Skif is downloading build-deps for audacity now
mazogsogra: at least i have Xvnc :) thanks!01:27
khronicSkif, "Add to panel" -> Custom Launcher ...command "nautilus /whatever/path/you/want"...this should open up that path in a window01:28
brettcarSkif: audacity - A fast, cross-platform audio editor01:29
brettcarSkif: It looks like its there to me.01:29
brettcarSkif: You need to add the universe repository to your sources list and upgrade and you'll be all set.01:29
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HaRDaWaYhooola01:30
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HaRDaWaYhello01:30
Skifbrettcar: $ apt-cache show audacity01:30
SkifW: Unable to locate package audacity01:30
SkifE: No packages found01:30
FLeiXiuSblacknyx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17901:30
xenonitecya, i am leaving...01:30
brettcarSkif: Did you add universe?01:30
brettcarSkif: and apt-get update?01:30
Skifbrett: and multiverse01:30
blacknyxFLeiXiuS: thank you01:30
brettcarSkif: Then you broke something because apt-cache search audacity works fine01:30
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SkifI am, however, using lamont's repository... maybe he doens't have everything01:31
FLeiXiuSSkif sudo apt-cache search audacity01:31
HaRDaWaYone question, i only have two repositories on my sources.list, where i can find more to add to my sources.list ?01:31
Skifwhich doesn't make sense to me, but maybe01:31
FLeiXiuSHaRDaWaY which repo's would u like to add?01:31
SkifFlexius: $ apt-cache search audacity01:31
Skif$01:31
MoofFLeiXiuS: apt-cache deosn't need search01:31
FLeiXiuSSkif, have you correctly added the universe01:31
HaRDaWaYFLeiXiuS, mmm i need some repository with evidence for example..01:32
SkifFLeiXiuS: yes, I'm quite sure01:32
FLeiXiuSHaRDaWaY http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17901:32
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FLeiXiuSSkif and apt is updated correctly?01:32
HaRDaWaYok thanks01:32
SkifFLeiXiuS: yes, as I said, I added it correctly01:32
FLeiXiuSSkif, not the sources.lst, sudo apt-get update01:33
SkifFLeiXiuS: I've been a DD for, well, I'm not sure, but several years now; I know what I'm doing.01:33
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FLeiXiuSSkif, I haven't doubted your abilities01:33
SkifFLeiXiuS: yes, I've done the #*&!ing update, okay?01:33
FLeiXiuSHmm...01:34
Skifwhen I say it ain't there, it ain't there01:34
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FLeiXiuSHow do I know your situation, some people over look the most obvious!  How dare you insault me while begging for support...not a great way to reach what your looking for..01:34
FLeiXiuSSkif, May I suggest google01:35
vernonHey, sorry for the stupid question, but I just set up Ubuntu for my granddad and I'm trying to install gPhoto. I go to run a ./configure and it says there is no C compiler in the path. Surely Ubuntu coems with a C compiler?01:35
FLeiXiuSI'm no longer of assistance for yo01:35
ograSkif: regarding whats going on in debian i wouldn't base "i know what i'm" doing on being a DD ;)01:35
FLeiXiuSvernon yes, sudo apt-get install g++01:35
vernonAlright, thanks a bunch.01:35
LinuxJonesvernon, install build-essential01:35
Skifogra: perhaps not, but come on, knowing to do an apt-get update is pretty basic01:35
ajmitch_audacity looks to be in universe according to the mirror01:35
willubuntu has sold me on linux!01:36
=== Skif imagines it's lamont's mirror that's incomplete
willbeen using it for a while now :)01:36
Skifwhich is funny, given that he's the buildmeister, but go figure01:36
willbut a few small problems still.....grr01:36
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ograSkif: ok, but debian hs gotten strange the last years01:36
LinuxJoneswill, what is wrong ?01:36
Skifogra: strange... I dunno, just very large01:37
willstill my lp0 problem01:37
maswanSkif: It is there in my universe mirror01:37
willno printer...such a simple thing!01:37
LinuxJoneswill, oh god 01:37
ograSkif: too large ;)01:37
FLeiXiuSwill, printers in linux aren't so simple :-P01:37
ograSkif: to move at least01:37
FLeiXiuSWe try with ease to make them simple01:37
willits an old OKIDATA 4w Laser01:37
FLeiXiuSThat would make a huge difference...I may suggest reading the forums/posting...there have been several printer fix's 01:38
willthere is even a built in driver...but no parallel port!01:38
willfleixius: will check01:38
=== Skif is using lamont's mirror because it's free... ubuntu mirrors cost $, at least indirectly
vernonThanks a lot. I appreciate it. Y'all keep up the good work.01:39
maswanSkif: ah, in an unfortunate place bandwidth-wise?01:39
FLeiXiuSWhich mirror?01:39
Skifmaswan: yeah, I get charged for bandwidth above a certain base; lamont's on the same network I am, so we dont' have to pay to swap bits :)01:39
Skiffleixius: it's a private mirror01:40
Skifit's firewalled off from everybody else anyway01:40
maswanSkif: Ah, good for you. I'm kind of similar (don't use more than about a gig a day), but locally peered networks are free. This includes the swedish university network though, so almost everything is mirrored within reach. :)01:40
TenniruUh... according to ye ole Synaptic Package Manager, gsnes9x needs something called snes9x-x. This is not on Universe or whatever. What do I do?01:41
Skifmaswan: heh... yeah, that's a nice large "local" network. :)01:41
maswanSkif: also a good motivator for mirroring stuff at the university computer club. ;)01:41
Skifheh01:41
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FLeiXiuSTenniru http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/snes9x-x01:41
TenniruOh. There.01:42
FLeiXiuSC-Ya Later Everyoe01:42
Skifyeah, okay, that seems to have been the problem01:42
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axehatI got a new Kodak DX7440 camera here. Wondering how I can browse the photos located therein. I checked the Device Manager and the USB port picks it up and labels it fine.01:42
TenniruGot that, but it's a .deb. What do I do with a .deb?01:42
TenniruI'm a clueless newbie, yes.01:42
FLeiXiuSTenniru sudo dpkg -i filename.deb01:42
samiamhas anyone seen an XML parsing error when you try to run firefox using ubuntu?01:42
TenniruThanks.01:42
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FLeiXiuSno problem01:43
FLeiXiuStalk to you later guys, 01:43
Skifsamiam: hrm, what arch?  I've seen that on debian, with a buggy libgnome01:43
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samiamXML Parsing ERRor: undefined entity is the error.... Using Ubuntu....01:44
TenniruErrorse were occured while processing.01:44
axehatI checked around and gPhoto doesn't seem to have support for this new camera. Is there any way I can explore the files located on it or am I going to be forced to get a Win install going?01:44
TenniruI got the PPC version, since I am on an iBook. 01:44
ograTenniru: try adding multiverse to synaptic01:44
Tenniru*errors01:44
TenniruHow do I do this?01:44
samiamI deinstalled mozilla-firefox and reinstalled and the error seems to have come back01:44
ograTenniru: know how to get to the repository lists in synaptic ?01:45
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dawnfadinghi 01:45
TenniruYes.01:45
samiamSkif: has anyone else reported this... seems strange to reinstall it and see the same problem...01:46
Skifsamiam: what architecture are you running?01:46
ograTenniru: go to the fourth entry and add multiverse to the line: main restricted universe 01:46
samiami38601:46
Skifsamiam: hrm, haven't seen it.  Try moving your ~/.firefox to ~/.firefox-bak and run it again, see if it still does that01:46
ograTenniru: reload your packagelists and you'll find snes9-x01:47
samiamwill do thanks for the suggestion01:47
dawnfadingi have a question about displaying Japanese in browsers such as firefox etc01:47
dawnfading(with ubuntu)01:47
dawnfadingcharacters (kanji, kana) all seem pretty blurred01:47
dawnfadingdoes anyone has some ideas why this happens?01:48
__danieli have a question about persian or arabic fonts: how can i change the default font for displaying them? the characters all seem pretty bold01:50
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__daniel(and for _me_ hardly readable)01:50
TenniruYay, it works.01:50
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samiamSkif: that was it but i had to move ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/firefox_old01:50
dawnfadingperhaps i should add, that if i past the same characters in openoffice, they look just fine01:51
Skifsamiam: okay, I'm still used to debian packages, which use ~/.firefox.  Glad you fixed it.01:51
dawnfadingso it must be somethign browser related01:51
dawnfading...?01:51
Skifsamiam: you can probably safely copy your bookmarks from ~/.mozilla/firefox_old to the current one01:51
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blacknyxIf I install a prog, should i be installing it's development files also? 01:52
samiamSkif: actually this is a recent change the firefox people have made... you will probably see it in regular debian soon... Anyway thanks for the suggestion!01:52
TenniruOkay... gsnes9x installed, but where is it?01:52
__danieldawnfading, how are they displayed in the character map?01:52
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Skifsamiam: maybe; the debian firefox packager explicitly moved it to ~/.firefox; he may or may not pick that change up.01:52
ograTenniru: /usr/games probably01:52
__danielblacknyx, not unless you use them for compiling01:53
blacknyxOkay01:53
axehatIs there a way to manually browse the files on a digital camera? Device Manager shows that it is picking up the camera, but the latest gPhoto does not have support for this camera model. I'm makeing gPhoto now just to try, but I was wondering if I could get to the files normally.01:53
dawnfadinglet me check daniel01:54
jdubaxehat: you should be able to browse it with nautilus01:54
mariosomeone has a repository with libfastrack-gift plugin? or a url with this package :D01:54
dawnfadingthey're displayed just great there01:54
jdubaxehat: Computer > Disks01:54
__danieldawnfading, hmm01:54
ograaxehat: www.grawert.net/software/pimp/ ;) (needs universe enabled)01:54
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dawnfadingalthough that when the size is small01:55
dawnfadingi get these funny red and green borders next to it01:55
TerkHi , i'm having trouble mounting a smbfs resource01:55
Terkthe correct module is loaded01:55
dawnfadingwhich indicates the same problem i'm having in the browser01:55
__danieldawnfading, it's the same thing for arabic characters: i have fonts which look nice and others which don't, i don't know how to set a nice default01:55
Terkbut i keep getting  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock01:56
dawnfadingyou also get the color effects daniel?01:56
axehatThanks a lot. I really appreciate it.01:56
__danielapart from that i can't find a nice arabic locale, i can choose for the gnome desktop01:56
__danieldawnfading, no01:56
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TerkAnyone?01:57
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dawnfadingi checked the arabic characters, and they do seem slightly better01:58
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dawnfadingit really shows with for instance the thai characters01:59
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TerkCan anybody help with my smbfs problem??01:59
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__danielTerk, how do you try to mount it?02:00
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jdub__daniel: to change the 'preferred' font for arabic, you need to modify /etc/fonts/*.conf02:01
__danieljdub, oh alright - that'll make learning arabic much easier ;-)02:01
axehatAlright, Nautilus isn't showing the camera as a disk. At the pimp page is says to get libgtk2-perl and libintl-perl before installing pimp. How do I get those files? I'm rather new to Debian and a 'apt-get install libgtk2-perl' didn't come up.02:01
ozanhi, while trying to open a file i get a warning like this "Cannot open Voting_Machine.wmv .... the file might present a security risk to your system. ..." i really don't want to see this warning everytime i try to open a video file. is there a way rm it?02:01
alka_trashIt's too bad that gnome didn't use this structure02:01
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__danieljdub, you know how which arabic locale i could choose which is "supported by" gnome?02:02
jdub__daniel: not sure02:02
jdubperhaps ask in #i18n on gimpnet02:02
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__danieljdub, thanks - that's a good idea02:03
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dawnfadingdaniel, can't you change that during login when changing language02:04
dawnfading(doesn't it change locale as well?)02:04
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agwibowoanyone know where i can get latex for ubuntu?02:05
__danieldawnfading, i chose all the arabic locales (using dpkg-reconfigure locales) in turn and switched them on during login, but a message box always told me "not supported - go away" :)02:05
agwibowoi tried apt-get install latex it does not find it02:05
__danielagwibowo, try the tetex-* packages02:06
LinuxJonesagwibowo, you have to add the universe repository 02:06
dawnfadingwish i could help daniel, but i'm afraid there's still too much newbie blood running through my vains02:07
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agwibowook... thanks.. i'll try that02:07
dawnfadingveins02:07
__danieldawnfading, thanks for helping me anyway :-)02:07
axehatI'm trying to install 'pimp', and I added 'deb blah blah blah' to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but I'm not able to install libgtk2-perl or the other needed library before installing. 02:08
WWagwibowo: No, I don't think you need universe for tex.  02:08
__danielaxehat, you did   sudo apt-get update  ?02:08
WWagwibowo: Look for tetex-* in Synaptic. I have tetex-bin, tetex-base and tetex-extra, and latex works fine.02:08
axehatAh, I was trying 'install' instead of the 'update'02:09
__danielaxehat, sudo apt-get update   then    sudo apt-get install <your package of desire>02:09
axehatAlright. Thanks a bunch. I was told earlier that Nautilus should be able to browse the files on my digital camera, but it doesn't seem to be able to. Would that be caused by the camera being so new?02:10
jdubaxehat: it depends on whether your camera provides a usb-storage interface or not02:11
jdubthat's the usual reason for gthumb not working02:11
jdubin which case, you can just use nautilus02:12
jdubbut if your camera is not supported by gphoto at all, and doesn't have a usb-storage interface, you're just out of luck :)02:12
axehatIt isn't listed under "Disks". How would I know if it has a usb-storage interface?02:12
jdubit should appear under disks if it does ;)02:13
jdubcheck device manager02:13
jdubsee if there's a volume and so on under the usb camera device tree02:13
axehatIt comes up fine in device manager.02:13
axehatHrm, doesn't look like a volume is listed there.02:13
__danielaxehat, try   tail -f /var/log/syslog  and re-plug-it-in02:13
jdubit might, but what's under it is important :)02:13
axehatUSB PTP interface?02:14
bernogra: i finally got all my stuff working02:14
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agwibowointerestingly... universe does not have tetex-base02:14
__danielbern, ogra just flew out02:14
agwibowoso i can't install latex02:14
dawnfadinggoodnite guys02:15
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bern__daniel: lol i was looking almost at the top of the page02:15
bern__daniel: didn't realize i wasn't scrolled to the bottom, i was like wtf02:15
axehatOkay I did the 'tail' and it shows "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 8"02:15
Mr_Smileyhaha i do that sometimes ;P02:15
__danielagwibowo, it is definitely in ubuntu02:15
WWagwibowo: It is main, not universe.  My tetex-base even has a little Ubuntu logo next to it.02:16
__danielaxehat, any other lines? anything funny?02:16
agwibowooh ok02:16
berni got kde3.2 working on ubuntu now, can anyone recommend some useful aplets ?02:17
axehatIt looks like libgphoto tries to do something but looks like it fails.02:17
agwibowokewl02:17
agwibowothanks guys02:17
agwibowoi've found latex02:18
agwibowohehe02:18
WWbern: That's funny... why did you install KDE if you don't know what to do with it? :-)02:18
__danielaxehat, any special message?02:18
agwibowoanymore interesting apps that any of u suggested?02:18
__danielagwibowo, pdflatex :-)02:18
agwibowooh definitely02:18
agwibowohehehe02:18
axehatpostfix/local[12538] : fatal: open database /etc/aliase s.db: No such file or directory02:18
WWagwibowo: If you don't mind running a KDE package, I've been using kile lately to edit my latex files.02:18
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bernWW: i like kde better than gnome02:18
bernWW: just personal preference02:19
axehatA few lines like that.02:19
agwibowoWW: is kile an editor for latex ?02:19
WWbern: Yah, I know... just goofing.02:19
WWagwibowo: Yes.02:19
agwibowooooo02:19
agwibowoic.02:19
__danielaxehat, that's another issue (has nothing to do with the camera): just do    sudo postalias /etc/aliases   02:19
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agwibowohhehehe02:19
agwibowoany latex editor for gnome ?? :P02:19
__danielagwibowo, gedit :-)02:19
agwibowook...02:20
WWagwibowo: I asked the same question once, and some answered "emacs".02:20
=== Skif likes lyx, which isn't strictly speaking a latex editor, but comes close enough
SkifThere's always latex-mode :)02:20
agwibowoehehehe i'm a vim user02:20
__danielagwibowo, only thing is: it doesnt handle \$ and \% well - it displays them as start of comments02:20
agwibowoic02:20
__danielaxehat, any other photo related stuff?02:21
__danielaxehat, or well usb related02:21
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ChrisWould a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?02:21
axehatAfter I did the postalias no other messages come up in the 'tail'02:21
WWSkif: I tried lyx briefly.  It seemed semi-wysiwyg. It has its own file format, so it would be tough to share files with co-authors who don't use lyx.02:21
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axehatAlright gThumb is now loading the pictures.02:23
axehatYou guys rock. Thanks a lot02:23
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__danielaxehat, what about the replugin thing of your camera, does it display something special then?02:24
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WWJust 52 people in the room. I haven't seen it this quiet in a long time.02:25
WWWhoa, welcome back.02:25
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LinuxJonesthere we go02:25
TenniruHow do I move a file to where it would appear in the "games" menu in Applications?02:25
WWTenniru: You don't move the file, instead you just add a menu entry.02:25
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WWTenniru: See the wiki FAQ.  Look near the bottom.02:26
Sensebendcompletely offtopic02:26
Sensebendbut man is giganews slow for me today02:26
ChrisPerhaps I should repeat my question, given the server oddities...02:26
ChrisWould a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?02:26
TenniruUh... hello?02:26
Sensebendgetting 16KB/s :S02:26
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WWTenniru: Or even easier... go to Applications->Games, and right-click in the menu.02:27
TenniruI hope this isn't a usual occurence. 02:27
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TenniruThanks.02:27
WWTenniru: Then select Entire menu -> Add new item to this menu02:28
TenniruI got it.02:28
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LinuxJonesChris, this might be of some help >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html02:31
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ChrisLinuxJones: thanks  :-)02:32
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LinuxJonesChris, it's not exactly what your looking for but the information is in there to get you started :)02:33
ozanis there a dep where i can install mldonkey or any other p2p programs?02:33
MyKq3hello:) . Does any one here knows how can i use to sound chanels on the same time ( like to hear music and on the same time to hear the GAIM telling ya that u have new massage ) 02:33
TMMozan: mldonkey has debian packages on their server02:33
ChrisHmmm... I'm presuming that's it's possible to use Nautilus to browse Windows shares, but I'm not finding any information on how to.  The information provided is nice, but being able to generalize it for any shares on that server would be nice too.  02:34
TMMMyKq3: if you use ALSA it is 02:34
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ograozan: emule is in universe02:34
TMMogra: emule sucks... bad :)02:34
ograozan: sorry it's called xmule actually02:34
TMMxmule sucks too :P02:34
PizbitChris: Computer -> Network02:34
ograTMM: but it's still easy to use02:35
mojo_hey02:35
PizbitChris: You'll need to have samba installed02:35
mojo_y u guys switch to LimeWire?02:35
TMMif you want something to work, get some sort of gift client 02:35
MyKq3TMM,  i m useing alsa... but i still can't hear two sound chanels  :\02:35
TMMgift is totally awsome, 02:35
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ChrisPizbit: Took care of that 15 minutes ago with apt-get  :-)02:35
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mojo_LimeWire is 10x faster for MP3 download02:35
TMMMyKq3: in what programs can you and can't you?02:35
ogramojo_: needs java02:35
TMMmojo_: that's "gnutella is 10x faster than eDonkey"02:36
mojo_true, but it's worth it02:36
TMMmojo_: gift with gnutella plugins is just as fast as limewire is02:36
ozanwhat is the debian server address? where can i learn it?02:36
mojo_go searhc around google and find the PRO version02:36
MyKq3if i hear sounds only from one program at a time 02:36
TMMMyKq3: with *all* programs?02:36
MyKq3i i hear sounds only from one program at a time **02:36
MyKq3TMM,  yeah02:37
TMMMyKq3: ok, try running gstreamer-properties and setting all that stuff to "alsa"02:37
TMMMyKq3: wait, that might not work at all02:37
TMMMyKq3: I guess you are bitten by a bug in debian sarge, where it detetcs your soundcard and insmod's the modules for both oss and alsa02:38
MyKq3TMM,  okay .... what do i  need to do to make it work02:38
TMMMyKq3: then you'll only be able to use good 'ol oss02:38
TMMMyKq3: you can test it by rmmoding everything that looks like a sound driver02:39
TMMMyKq3: then reload your alsa stuff and see if it's working02:39
MyKq3TMM,   u mean with  gstreamer-propertie ?02:40
TMMMyKq3: if it is then you'll either have to do it the proper way or the quick way, the quick way being rmming the oss drivers from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ the proper way being somehow disabling hotplug to load them, which I have been unable to do02:40
LinuxJonesMyKq3, what soundcard do you have ?02:40
MyKq3hum i think its an old soundblaster 02:41
TMMMyKq3: err, no...02:42
TMMMyKq3: I mean with "rmmod" in a terminal02:42
MyKq3LinuxJones,  i can give ya the cardz model number02:42
TMMMyKq3: are you familiar with that?02:42
MyKq3TMM,  not really ... i think i will go back to google to look for some gaides on that 02:43
LinuxJonesMyKq3, you can do an lsmod and see which sound modules are loaded02:43
TMMMyKq3: well... than this is going to be a bad experience for you02:44
TMMMyKq3: let me see if I can get some workaround for you02:44
MyKq3TMM,  thanks02:44
ygnomeIf someone has accidentally d/l the 'live' ubuntu CD, is there anyway to run the install from it?02:45
LinuxJonesMyKq3, you can then prevent the driver(s) from being loaded by blacklisting them. (although this should have been done already)02:45
MyKq3LinuxJones,  all the SND_xxx r the sounds models .... right ?02:45
TMMMyKq3: those are the "good" modules02:45
TMMMyKq3: the alsa ones02:45
LinuxJonesMyKq3, the snd_** ones are alsa drivers02:45
TMMok, this is what you *could* try02:45
TMMeverybody here is going to hate me for suggesting this, but what the hell :)02:45
LinuxJonesMyKq3, you  need to disable the oss drivers from being loaded as alsa will not work with them loaded02:46
TMMbecome root, cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sound02:46
TMMand mv the "oss" dir someplace safe, root's homedir 'be fine02:46
TMMthen run a depmod -A and reboot02:46
TMMthis is, if you don't want to learn about blacklisting drivers and the like02:47
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TMMlol, shouldn't that be "a script that was accidently ran" ?02:47
MyKq3TMM,  okay i guess i will try that 02:47
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TMMMyKq3: this is *not* 'the linux way' or anything, this is what us proffesionals call "quick and dirty"02:48
TMM:)02:48
LinuxJonesMyKq3, you could also add oss to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file and re-boot02:48
booshii just installed ubuntu, and i have a few questions (linux newbie)02:48
TMMLinuxJones: wouldn't that just disable the alsa OSS compatibility modules?02:48
__danielbooshi, fire away02:49
TMMLinuxJones: which you *do* want :)02:49
MyKq3LinuxJones,  :) 02:49
TMMLinuxJones: you are right02:49
TMMMyKq3: LinuxJones is right, I was talking out of my ass02:49
MyKq3hum... and that  is that u call the blacklist ?02:49
LinuxJonestry first :D02:49
TMMLinuxJones: my humble apologies: )02:50
MyKq3okay i m ont he job thanks :D02:50
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LinuxJonesTMM, it might work :)02:50
TMMMyKq3: you'll need to know *what* driver to blacklist though02:50
TMMI have the blacklist for debian sid here, which seems to work for most systems02:50
booshii put ubuntu on the second hdd of this desktop, and 80gb drive, the first has windows.  after the install when i select XP from the list this is all i get: root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 and then nothing happens02:50
TMMwell, I never experienced the problem on debian sid...02:51
TMMMyKq3: I'll put it online somewhere, replace your /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base with that one and reboot02:51
TMMMyKq3: might just do it02:51
MyKq3TMM,  okay thanks02:52
__danielbooshi, there's something in the bugzilla about it, but i'm not familiar with those things at all.. lemme lookup the number02:52
TMMMyKq3: http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/alsa-base02:52
__danielbooshi, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=156602:53
booshii dont understand how it affected the drive that i wasnt even installing on02:53
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MyKq3TMM,  okay i sould reboot now ... so the BlackList will load ... right  ?02:54
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MyKq3TMM,  can i ask one more thing.... how can i know which model i should add to the black list  ?....02:55
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TMMMyKq3: see what drivers are loaded with "lsmod"02:55
TMMMyKq3: and see if there's an oss module in there somewhere02:56
MyKq3yeah i c them 02:56
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gdarelAfternoon all02:57
LinuxJoneshi gdarel02:57
TMMMyKq3: if everything is in order, this blacklist file should have all the modules of oss in it02:57
booshialso, how can i access the first drive (ntfs) through ubuntu?02:57
LinuxJonesgdarel, night here :)02:57
gdarelI have a real dumb question.....02:57
gdarelAlmost night here too (seattle)02:57
MyKq3TMM,  u r right i should hop for the best 02:58
TMMgdarel: so, it's 3am here... what's your point?02:58
gdarelHow do I log in as root? 02:58
TMMMyKq3: if it doesn't work, I'll look at the output of your lsmod, and see what's going on02:58
LinuxJonesgdarel, there si no default root acoount02:58
MyKq3c ya soon  and thanks TMM and  LinuxJones  and all the other good ppl here02:58
TMMgdarel: i believe that the ubuntu way is "you don't" and you just run all the apps using sudo02:58
gdarelOK then I am confused....02:59
TMMgdarel: that being said, I hate that, so you can just type "sudo passwd" with the user you made witth te ubunto setup, and set  a password for root so you can login02:59
LinuxJonesgdarel, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root02:59
gdarelIn KDE for instance when I go to set up KB3 it asks for a password02:59
booshiso no one can help me get back into XP/onto the drive it's on?  because i cant do either03:00
mojo_gdarel: u can get rid of sudo way, by doing this way sudo passwd root, then type in password for root03:00
LinuxJonesbooshi, sorry I don't run any MS products03:01
__danielbooshi, try #ubuntu-devel - and read the bugreport i told you about03:01
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bur[n] erbooshi: u can't boot xp?03:01
mojo_gdarel: next time, you just type in "su" to switch to root (remember to type in correct password)03:01
mojo_honestly to say, I HATE sudo way!!!03:01
bur[n] ermojo_: so don't use it03:02
mojo_I did, ehehe03:02
bur[n] ersu in a shell and go from there03:02
TMMbooshi: what are you trying to do?03:02
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mojo_I wish someone that created the icon theme for FireFox make a GNOME theme based on that style03:07
bur[n] ermojo_: make it :)03:08
bur[n] eryou've got a back/forward button already03:08
Lathiatmojo_: There is an industrial theme for firefox03:09
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Keybukmojo_: I'd be surprised if someone hasn't by now03:10
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MyKq3TMM,  it does not seems to work  :\03:15
MyKq3TMM,  I justed tryed to lunch TOTEM with Rhythmbox and i got an error from Totem  :\03:16
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bulioI just ordered 4 ubuntu cds03:17
bulioany idea how long they take to recieve?03:17
Lathiatbulio: I suspect it will be a bit, release has only just come out, but no idea on an actual EA03:17
Lathiat*ETA03:17
buliook03:18
buliothanks03:18
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LinuxJonesMyKq3, have you run gstreamer-properties and selected alsa ?03:19
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MyKq3Linux yeah 03:20
MyKq3LinuxJones,  yeah *03:20
MyKq3LinuxJones,  i recive an error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"03:21
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angie75hi there03:21
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sgtshattaI have a simple question?03:21
TenniruI don't. How do I get Ubuntu to identify my iBook (Dual USB)'s internal mic?03:22
sgtshattai added a directory to my /etc/profile but my $PATH did not change03:22
sgtshattaeven after I rebooted03:22
angie75I would like to share a dsl connection with ubuntu (two eth cards) ... any suggestions?03:22
ozani installed mldonkey from debian testing deb. but it installed all its files to /etc/apt/ but i don't really want them there. any solution?03:22
ozans/deb/dep03:23
TenniruDEAR MR. UBUNTU DESIGNER. HOW DO YOU TYPE WITH BOXING GLOVES ON?03:23
angie75mmmhhh ozan... I usually install mldonkey compiling it... 03:23
angie75it's quite automated03:24
ozanhmm ok, i will do it like u do. ty03:24
WWozan: There are packages in universe called mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server.  Perhaps use those instead of the debian package?03:25
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angie75ozan: after you install it, you have to run it always from the same direcototy... it writes the .ini files there03:26
MyKq3LinuxJones,  do u think i should try to install and use aRtsd ?03:26
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ozani tell synaptic to remove the mldonkey-server completely but after that it doesn't remove program files from /etc/apt is there a problem?03:27
angie75ozan: try with apt-get remove moldonkey-server --purge03:28
ozanok03:29
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geppyokay03:37
geppyThis is getting on my nerves.03:37
geppyUbuntu, fresh install.03:37
geppyGAIM, told to tab everything in one window, insists on making two windows for every AIM conversation.03:38
geppyThe IRC chats are fine being together, but the AIM conversations ALL make two windows with the same data in each.03:38
Pizbitheh03:38
PizbitMost odd03:39
geppynever happened before.03:39
geppyThought that it might have been because I copied my old ~/.gaim over, but I've changed all of the tab settings.03:40
angie75bye03:40
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PizbitI copied my old .gaim over and it worked fine03:40
geppyold ~/.gaim from rh9, fc1, fc2, fc3, debian, none of them ever messed up.03:40
Keybuktry nuking your .gaim, but saving the logs and blist.xml ?03:40
geppyYeah, I'm confused.03:40
geppyk03:42
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mojo_hey I heard that Stephen is working on a project to make 100% GNOME theme based on his icons theme for FireFox 1.0 PR, hehe at least I can see the light for a pro GUI03:43
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Mitariolo everyone03:48
__danielhi :-)03:48
LinuxJoneshi Mitario03:49
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__danielhave a good night everyone03:50
geppy'night03:50
ogranicght ;)03:51
__daniel:-)03:51
geppyI nuked my prefs.xml, and the problem's gone.03:51
geppyunfortunately, when I copy my evolution over, it doesn't work, but I'll figure it out.03:51
Keybukyeah, evo doesn't like you doing that03:52
Keybukthe .evolution is more of a cache, the config is in .conf/apps/evolution03:52
geppyoh03:52
Keybuk                                                    ^^^^^03:52
geppywell, if I copy that over, too, should it work?03:53
Keybuk                                                    .gconf03:53
Keybuklots and lots of things will go wrong03:53
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geppyoh03:53
Keybukjust import the files03:53
Keybukput it somewhere sensible, and import the .ics files and whatnot03:53
geppyYeah, that's what I was thinking. =)03:53
geppy"The Application "evolution-exchange-storage" has quit unexpectedly."03:53
geppyhmph03:53
geppyEven without, it complains all over the place, though.03:54
geppy"(evolution:30534): evolution-smime-WARNING **: initializing security library without cert databases."03:54
Keybukmakes sense03:54
geppyoops03:55
geppythe first one is the one that I don't like so much03:55
geppyAre there any debian-based distros that aren't relatively out of date?03:57
geppyI mean, even Red Hat has 2.8 out.03:57
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toothpickGreets03:58
LinuxJonesgeppy, how much more up to date can you get than this ?03:58
geppy2.6.8?03:58
geppyoh, nevermind03:58
geppyforgive me, please03:58
geppyI'm just being silly.03:58
ogralol03:58
geppy:)03:58
ograsorry03:58
LinuxJonesgeppy, the Ubuntu pre-release had Gnome 2.8 the day IT was released03:58
geppyYeah, I wasn't thinking straight.  I remember that, now.03:59
ogranext ubuntu release == next gnome release03:59
geppyAre GAIM-1.02, and Evolution-2.2 in testing?03:59
geppyheh  :)03:59
ograthere is no testing yet.....wait two weeks or so04:00
geppyAlright.04:00
Keybuktesging?04:00
Keybukugh04:00
Keybuktesting?  there isn't an Ubuntu testing, nor will there be04:00
geppyAm I advised against building them, myself?04:00
geppyOh, alright.04:00
ograsorry, unstable 04:00
geppyAlright.04:00
Keybukhoary will open relatively soon04:00
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geppyAnd things like Mplayer;  is there any real reason _not_ to build debs on that?04:01
toothpickI've got to get some time and test Thinkwave Educator via Wine with ubuntu...one app I really rely on windows.04:01
LinuxJonesgeppy, yes legal reasons04:01
geppyMplayer is free, no?04:02
LinuxJonesgeppy, they are available if you want them04:02
geppyI understand that the w32codecs would have legal problems.04:02
LinuxJonesgeppy, their codecs are patent encumbered tho04:02
geppyUnderstood.  :)04:02
geppyDebs are interactive, though, so couldn't you install mplayer, and then have click-through EULA's for the codecs?04:03
LinuxJonesgeppy, no because they are not GPL compatible04:03
maswanehm, aren't the bundled codecs gpl?04:04
LinuxJonesmaswan, no they are not04:04
ograsame for java, flash....04:05
Mitarioanyone happens to know which font OS X uses? :)04:05
geppyMplayer is LGPL, isn't it?04:05
maswanLinuxJones: can you give me an example?04:05
maswanah, there, found one04:05
LinuxJonesmaswan, waht do you mean ?04:05
brettcarMitario: OS X generally uses LucidaGrande or Helvetica04:05
WWmaswan: What did you mean by "bundled codecs"?  These guys are talking about w32codecs (I think!)04:06
geppyI'm not planning on submitting this to the devs, if that's why you're worried about it being GPL-compatible.04:06
Mitariobrettcar, ah, ok, thanks!04:06
Mitariobrb, relogin04:06
maswanWW: I'm talking about libavcodec etc that's bundled with mplayer as such. Not the separate package of w32codecs04:06
LinuxJonesgeppy, what ?04:06
ogrageppy: you would have the same you have with totem now, you got a mplayer that plays only free formats and everyone will replace it soon with the nonfree stuff04:07
maswangeppy: mplayer is GPL, as is most of the codecs that is in the mplayer package. some are lgpl and some "permissive", which seems to be gpl-compatible04:07
geppyLinuxJones:  I didn't mean to say some of that, sorry.04:07
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devscottis there a quick and easy way I can change the UID for an user account?04:08
ogrageppy: if you stay in ths channel for a day you'll recognize the totem-xine question is one of the most frequent04:08
geppySo, Mplayer is incompatible (in terms of licensing) with the packages that it's designed to use?04:08
geppyheh04:09
LinuxJonesdevscott, check out usermod04:09
maswangeppy: ehm, what?04:09
LinuxJonesdevscott, in the man pages04:09
maswangeppy: are you talking about w32codecs?04:09
devscottThank you LinuxJones04:09
geppymaswan: yes.04:09
LinuxJonesdevscott, ;)04:09
maswangeppy: well, it is uncertain if you can redistribute those at all, it is certain that you can't redistribute a derivative work of mplayer+w32codecs 04:10
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buliois ubuntu an easy distro?04:10
maswangeppy: not that it matters though04:10
geppymaswan: I'm not wanting to redistribute them;  I'm wondering if  I could have a click-through EULA that wgets the codecs.04:11
LinuxJonesbulio, it can be if you have run of the mill hardware04:11
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maswangeppy: not that you need the w32codecs most of the time, unless you find odd formats like wmv or so..04:12
geppyRight.04:12
maswangeppy: ehm, what good would a click-through eula do?04:12
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Quintonevening guys!04:12
geppymaswan:  To make it legal?04:12
bulioLinux Jones: define run of the mill04:12
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LinuxJonesQuinton, hi :)04:12
Mitariohi again04:12
Mitariowould anyone know a place where I can download the OS X fonts? or are they (c)ed04:13
LinuxJonesbulio, what kind of hardware do you have on your computer ?04:13
ogrageppy: but it would make the gpl illegal04:13
bulioLinux: it's a hp from 200104:13
maswangeppy: I don't follow you, you must be living in a place where copyright works differently from here.04:13
bulionothing special04:13
buliostandard hardware, all except sound detected in mandrake04:13
geppymaswan:  I was under the impression that if they accept the EULA presented on the site, then they could download the files.04:13
geppyogra: what would?04:13
LinuxJonesbulio, if you computer is from 2001 you should have no problem at all :)04:13
bulio:P04:14
bulioI ordered some cds04:14
buliois it as easy as mandrake?04:14
ogrageppy: bundling with a MS eula04:14
geppyOr if you use Nvidia/AMD/Lynksys/Logitech like most Linux users.  :)04:14
LinuxJonesbulio, you can test it by downloading the Ubuntu Live CD04:14
maswangeppy: there is no eula on the mplayer website04:14
bulioLinuxJones: It's debian-based, no?04:14
geppymaswan:  GPL is the EULA.  But I'm talking about a click-through for the w32codecs04:15
LinuxJonesbulio, it doesn't have all of the GUI stuff that Mandrake has but it has fine hardware detection so you sould be ok04:15
buliook04:15
LinuxJonesbulio, yes04:15
maswangeppy: yes, and I just said that there is no eula there.04:15
geppyogra:  Having mplayer with the GPL, and mplayer-w32codecs with whatever MS uses would be invalid?04:15
WWSpeaking of EULA's... is there a legal reason Ubuntu could not provide a click-through EULA for Java?04:15
geppymaswan: the GPL is a EULA.04:15
brettcargeppy: The GPL is not an EULA.04:15
maswangeppy: and GPL isn't an eula, it is a distributor license.04:15
bulioLinuxJones: I am guessing no support for usb modems?04:15
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LinuxJonesbulio, I have never owned one so I can't say for sure :(04:16
ogrageppy: its incompatible to provide both in one package.....04:16
buliomy pc at other house uses nic04:16
geppyRight.04:16
maswangeppy: because (under sane copyright law), the end user is free to do whatever [s] he wants.04:16
TheMusoDoes anybody know whether we are still able to edit information on the old Wiki? And if so, when is the deadline04:16
buliothis uses usb04:16
bulio:/04:16
florianrHello! 04:16
florianrI still have problems with my AC97 Soundcard ... 04:16
geppyogra:  Understood.   But mplayer and mplayer-w32codecs (separate) would be legally feasible, no?04:16
WWTheMuso: What is the "old" wiki?04:16
LinuxJonesbulio, burn a copy of the live CD and see if it finds all your hardware. I am sure you will probably be ok :P04:16
SamBozoI am gett in some one telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already ..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't helt them04:16
ogrageppy: thats what they do now...04:17
TheMusoWW: According to a message that I received yesterday from the Ubuntu dev mailing list, they intend to move the wiki over to a new backend.04:17
bulioLinuxJones:Really? detection for pppoe usb modem??!!!04:17
geppymaswan:  They're agreeing to have the rights that they are given;  they're still agreeing to it.04:17
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geppyogra:  Right.04:17
maswangeppy: as an end user, I don't have to agree to anything in the gpl.04:18
LinuxJonesbulio, as I have said I can't say for sure but if you have a decent internet connection it will take 2 hours to find out :)04:18
Phr0stByteCan anyone tell me how to check/change the color depth X is running at?04:18
WWTheMuso: Ah, I didn't know that.04:18
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PenguinBoy1evening guys!04:18
SamBozoI am getting someone telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already existing from their sarge install..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't help them??04:18
WWTheMuso: FWIW, I edited something about an hour ago, and it worked.04:19
geppymaswan:  An end-user agrees that he has the rights to hack it, and download the sources, and do basically whatever the hell else he wants to do, as long as he shares these rights.  Just because you're agreeing to these rights doesn't mean that you aren't _agreeing_.04:19
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brettcarPhr0stByte: Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and look for default color depth setting04:19
maswangeppy: have you actually read the gpl?04:19
geppyYes, multiple times.04:19
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geppyRegardless, you _still_ _have_ _to_ _agree_ to it before you use a GPL'd program.04:20
SamBozonever mind they are going to remove ubuntu .. oh well another one lost04:20
maswangeppy: no, you don't.04:20
ogrageppy: and a MS eula ?04:20
geppyogra: hmm?04:20
maswangeppy: I have to _redistribute_ programs by the terms of the GPL, but I don't  have to do anything to use a program.04:20
ogranobody reads them *g*04:20
LinuxJonesgeppy, you sound like a SCO lawyer looking for help :D04:20
Phr0stBytebrettcar: is 24 the best?04:20
brettcarPhr0stByte: Yes04:21
ograLinuxJones: did you say jehova ???04:21
geppyLinuxJones: hahahahaha04:21
Phr0stBytebrettcar: thanx04:21
Phr0stBytebrettcar: I guess my res is just too high then.04:21
geppymaswan:  you're still agreeing to your rights to the source, and your right to not have the right taken from you, regardless of whether you want it, or not.04:21
brettcarPhr0stByte: Some cards can support 32-bit color (4 trillion+ colors) but the human eye can't tell the difference.04:22
brettcargeppy: You should really take a course in contract law. ;)04:22
maswangeppy: Also, in the privacy of my own laptop, I can mix linux kernel code and UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF AT&T04:22
maswangeppy: I can't _redistribute_ that, but I can sure as hell use it.04:22
geppybrettcar: Am I that clueless?  =)04:22
brettcargeppy: It seems like it, I don't mean to be insensitive. I haven't followed your conversation too closely.04:23
geppybrettcar:  heh  :)04:23
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geppyI still don't understand how it's not a EULA.  You're still agreeing to the license when you receive a GPL'd program.04:23
geppyHow does that not make it a EULA?04:23
brettcargeppy: No you aren't04:23
maswangeppy: no, you aren't. because you don't need to.04:23
geppyHow are you not agreeing to it?04:24
brettcargeppy: The GPL is a license to redistribute. ***NOT A LICENSE FOR USE***04:24
brettcarThat is the fundamental difference in the GnuWorld.04:24
maswangeppy: agreement is an action. I do not take that action.04:24
maswangeppy: You can't make agreement into a default non-action.04:24
brettcargeppy: When you agree to an EULA you are accepting a *LICENSE TO USE SOMETHING*04:24
WWbrettcar, maswan: So the person/entity that is bound by the GPL is the person/entity that gave the program to geppy, right?04:24
brettcargeppy: The fact that you obtained a program legally gives you the right to use it. No such law can prohibit that.04:25
ogrageppy: a EULA is a license to *** NOT REDISTRIBUTE ***04:25
maswanWW: Yeah, because without the license that would have been illegal.04:25
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bulioare the ubuntu cds shipped by mail/04:25
brettcargeppy: Copyright law however denies you the right to redistribute by default. The GPL gives that right back to you.04:25
brettcarbulio: Not yet04:25
LinuxJonesgeppy, read the GPL >> http://www.gnu.org/home.html04:25
geppyThe person who provided it to me is bound to make me aware of my rights, no?04:25
buliowill they be?04:25
ogrageppy: _End User_ licenseagreement04:25
geppyI'm there, and I've read it.04:25
brettcarbulio: Eventually04:25
brettcarWW: Aye04:26
geppyI understand where you're all coming from; just not how, if you have to be made aware of it, you're not agreeing to it.04:26
maswangeppy: Not really, it is enough to provide the source next to the binary on a webpage.04:26
brettcarWW: I/you/whoever, is only bound by the GPL when you redistribute the program. By definition that is the act of "copy"ing, hence "copyright>"04:26
buliobrettcar: is it sent at all atm?04:26
brettcar>=.04:26
brettcarbulio: Nope04:26
buliook04:26
geppymaswan:  Do you not have to provide the GPL, as well?04:26
maswangeppy: And ship a COPYING note. Or ship both on the CD. You don't _have_ to make the recipient aware of that. It is up to them.04:26
maswanyeah04:27
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brettcarBasically it comes down to the concept of copyright law04:27
maswanbut that's up to the reciever to figure out if [s] he wants to redistribute or do something else forbidden by copyright law.04:27
brettcarRight, what maswan said.04:27
maswanjust for using it, having recieved it is good enough.04:27
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brettcarmaswan: Receiving it legally however.04:28
geppy"And you must show them these terms so they know their rights"04:28
GotD0twhats the subject?04:28
brettcarmaswan: I don't think you have legal standing to use it if received against the terms of the GPL. 04:28
geppyHow does that not require them to make you aware of the GPL?04:28
brettcarmaswan: But that is for a judge to decide. I believe you may have the right to use it but then distributer will be at fault.04:28
brettcargeppy: If I gave you a music CD, do I have to make you aware that you aren't allowed to copy it?04:29
brettcargeppy: No, because it is common law. The unlicensed redistribution of copyrighted material is unlawful.04:29
geppybrettcar:  Following.04:29
LinuxJonesbrettcar, it depends on which country/state your living in 04:29
brettcarLinuxJones: I am referring to the country I am most familiar with, USA.04:30
geppyBut I'm saying that if you're required to "show them these terms" when you distribute it, how is the person receiving it not seeing and agreeing to them?04:30
LinuxJonesbrettcar, I am from Canda and things are much different04:30
brettcarLinuxJones: Oh yes, I know about the CD thing there.04:30
LinuxJonesbrettcar, err Canada04:30
brettcarLinuxJones: But lets not get into that ;)04:30
LinuxJonesbrettcar, ya let's not :)04:31
geppyheh04:31
brettcargeppy: The person receiving it is NOT A PART of the GPL.04:31
ograLinuxJones: you had a nice p2p case there ;)04:31
maswangeppy: what section?04:31
brettcargeppy: The GPL simply requires the *distributor* to make the license available.04:31
maswanbrettcar: well, that depends really..04:31
geppybrettcar:  Not only make available; make it know.04:31
brettcargeppy: The GPL simply *can not* effect the recipient because the contract is between the distributor and the copyright holder.04:32
LinuxJonesogra, it should be everywhere :)04:32
LinuxJonesogra, Like the GPL04:32
geppymaswan:  What is in what section?04:32
maswanbrettcar: we do have some fudge factors about it being resonable assumption of it being redistributed in that way etc.04:32
ograLinuxJones: oh yes, this judge is great04:32
maswangeppy: that you have to "show them these terms"04:32
LinuxJones;D04:32
geppyPreamble is where I quoted that part from04:33
geppyjust search for "And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."04:33
maswanah, the preamble04:33
brettcargeppy: The preamble is generally not legally binding.04:33
maswanisn't reflected in the terms section though04:33
brettcargeppy: You are bound only by the terms and conditions of the contract04:33
geppy    b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in     whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any     part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third     parties under the terms of this License.04:33
geppyUnderstood.04:33
LinuxJonesogra, I only have ever made copies of music that I have legally purchased and thankfully I have my .ogg backups when the media gets scratched :)04:34
geppyBut that says that you must make anyone that receives it become bound by the GPL.04:34
maswanonly that you have to make prominent copyright statements and ship a copy of the license..04:34
brettcargeppy: No it does not04:34
maswangeppy: definately not04:34
brettcargeppy: It says nothing of the sort, and besides if it did, that kind of contract would be non-binding and illegal.04:34
maswan5.  You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License.04:34
brettcarPure genius that clause :)04:35
geppyheh04:35
ograLinuxJones: and of course you store them in .mldonkey/ahred ;)04:35
ograshared04:35
geppyI'm still bound to make people aware of the license, though, is what I'm saying.04:35
brettcargeppy: No you aren't, such text is found nowhere in the GPL04:35
geppyalright04:35
GotD0tcan someone tell me the format for editing crontab?04:36
maswanbrettcar: well, you do have to display copyright statements. that04:36
geppyWell, then, back to what I was getting at:  It's legally feasible to ship a deb with a click-through EULA and wget for the w32codecs?04:36
maswan's as close as I get04:36
brettcarIn fact the word 'aware' appears no where in the GPL, and the word 'show' only in the preamble.04:36
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brettcarmaswan: Yeah but that isn't the same as a "clickwrap" awaregreement. :)04:36
maswangeppy: well... that would depend on the w32codecs04:36
brettcarTo coin a phrase :P04:36
GotD0ti looked in man crontab and it doesn't say anything about the format of the file04:36
brettcargeppy: Probably not04:36
LinuxJonesogra, no way it's their art and I would never do it without their permission, but I should be able to make backups to offset the limitations of the medium that they are distributed on :)04:37
maswangeppy: nothing to do with the gpl, because they aren't under the gpl04:37
brettcargeppy: Because what gave you the right to distribute those codecs?04:37
geppyI'm not distributing, them, though.04:37
geppyThat's what I was saying.04:37
brettcargeppy: Unless you have a license to distribute the codecs (or are the copyright holder) then you can't distributed them at all. EULA or not.04:37
geppyI'd be offering a wget for them.04:37
brettcargeppy: Ubuntu can't distribute them in that manner then.04:37
geppye.g. from the main site.04:37
geppywhere you're supposed to get them.04:37
joemGotD0t, http://metawire.org/~joem/configs/crontab04:38
maswanwell, then it isn't an eula you should have, but a warning04:38
GotD0tthank you joem...04:38
ograLinuxJones: who is their ?04:38
brettcargeppy: Depending on how you execute that may or may not be legal.04:38
geppyI agree that it has nothing to do with the GPL, I wasn't referring to it when I asked.04:38
brettcargeppy: But that's how the ms-core-fonts-whatever package used to (still?) worked.04:38
geppyAlright, thanks.04:38
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ograLinuxJones: EMI, Sony, BMG ? 04:39
WWThere would be no legal problem with a "click-through EULA" for a script that installed Java, would there?04:40
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brettcarWW: Well, I haven't read Java's license but didn't the Blackdown debs do that?04:40
brettcarWW: I built my own Java deb with java-package and it has to agree to a click-thru too.04:40
WWbrettcar: Maybe. I haven't installed Java from Blackdown.04:40
LinuxJonesogra, the band(s) music that I have legally purchased and backed up (and transcoded in a free format).04:41
geppyRight, so you all probably think I'm really stupid, but what would be wrong with a deb consisting of a click-through EULA and a wget to the w32codecs?04:41
brettcarWW: I believe that is what Blackdown does, but their debs are out of date04:41
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GotD0tjoem can you clarify this, i want to make it so that it runs a command every 10 minutes04:41
brettcargeppy: I can't say because I don't know about the license available for w32codecs04:41
geppybrettcar:  Alright.04:42
brettcargeppy: It might have a clause "you may not use wget to retrieve these files."04:42
geppyheh04:42
geppybrettcar: And if it doesn't?04:42
maswanbrettcar: ehm. basically non-existant.04:42
brettcargeppy: Then I suppose it could be legal.04:42
GotD0tjoem: so what would each of the ones be?04:42
maswanbrettcar: that is, redistribution is probably not allowed if looking at it strictly.04:42
toothpickI'm trying to play with wine...tough cookie for me.04:42
brettcarmaswan: Yes but if you wget'd from the actual official distribution place it could be potentially legal.04:43
maswanbrettcar: heh. you want to know what w32codecs is? :)04:43
brettcarmaswan: Of course if the actual code is "illegal" (like our favourite DVD encryption method...) its another story04:43
brettcarmaswan: Yeah I have a vague idea. See previous message.04:44
brettcarmaswan: I know what the package does but I don't know its legal implications.04:44
maswanbrettcar: it is dlls etc ripped out of mixed "freely" available installers for various windows codecs.04:44
brettcarHah04:44
maswanbrettcar: ah, no, dvd decryption is in mplayer proper. no need for w32codecs for that04:44
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maswanwell, if you are in a place where brute-forcing css session keys is illegal, mplayer is probably not for you. :)04:45
brettcarArg, it was a hypothetical! :P04:46
GotD0tjoem: are you there?04:46
ograLinuxJones: if it were for the artists i would totally argee, but i'm a bit different about this...04:46
GotD0twell can anybody else help me with the crontab format04:46
LathiatGotD0t: google.com/linux04:46
maswanbrettcar: and that is in the redistributable main mplayer, w32codecs is the problematic part. ;)04:47
Lathiatiirc its d m h m s /path/to/script04:47
brettcarGotD0t: */5 * * * * commandToRunEvery5Minutes04:47
Lathiat(d=day, m=month, h=hour, m=minute, s=seconds)04:47
Lathiatno04:47
Lathiatotherway around04:47
brettcarmaswan: Right, this I know04:47
Lathiati dunno04:47
LinuxJonesogra, what do you mean ?04:47
Lathiati cant remember :)04:47
GotD0tthank you04:47
brettcarLathiat: I'm right, thats right out of my crontab :P04:47
Lathiati know04:47
Lathiati was trying to remember off the top of my head04:47
Lathiati failed miserably :)04:47
brettcarhehe04:47
brettcarOh by the way, here is a present to all you great Ubuntu users ;)04:48
brettcarThe power of Linux: www.last.fm04:48
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maswanman 5 crontab04:48
maswanfor more extensive documentation and examples etc04:48
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ograLinuxJones: what you buy there is in the end a product of greed, there have to be found new ways for distribution, ways in which the rating of the art is higher than the profit04:49
Mitariohmm, is there a reason why 'services-admin' isn't included in ubuntu?04:50
ograLinuxJones: i think all the p2p and copying could be the begin of a revolutionary change in this system where the quality counts instead of the PR04:51
ograLinuxJones: and the artists get what tey deserve04:51
ograLinuxJones: a ubuntu way for music based on the pressure and needs of the customer04:52
brettcarogra: Then again those damn kids are still downloading the same crap off P2P ;)04:52
geppyheh04:52
brettcarogra: I've found more new music through legal means (and innovative business models!) like www.last.fm ;)04:52
GotD0tbrettcar: those damnted kids... you're what... 17?04:53
brettcarGotD0t: As opposed to those blessed kids ;)04:53
GotD0theh04:53
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GotD0tahhh, how do i get out of crontab?04:54
brettcarGotD0t: It's just your $EDITOR...04:55
GotD0tbut it wont let me exit...04:55
geppy:q!04:55
geppy?04:55
WWHe rebooted...04:55
geppyheh04:55
geppyprobably04:55
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GotD0toops04:55
GotD0thaha04:55
ograLinuxJones: imagine a system where your p2p program charges automatically for every download....the others as well, so if you redistribute you earn money and pay for your music as well....04:55
LinuxJonesogra, argh brb04:55
brettcarogra: Sounds like a MLM scheme ;)04:56
GotD0togra: that would require some reworking of copyright laws it hink04:56
geppyheh04:56
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geppyYeah.04:56
brettcarGotD0t: Nah, just a license from the copyright holder to work it that way.04:56
ograGotD0t: that was the beginning of this conversation....04:56
WWogra: But who would use it?  Won't people _always_ find ways to distribute stuff freely?04:56
geppyhahaha04:56
GotD0tahh, help04:57
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ograWW: i'm just dreaming.....04:57
WWogra: Good... and thinking about it some more, maybe it could work.04:57
brettcarGotD0t: Open a new terminal kill the process.04:58
brettcarGotD0t: Then EDITOR=nano crontab -e04:58
brettcarAnd relax ;P04:58
ograWW: i wont ban the greed out of the world, i can only live this attitude myself ...04:58
geppyhahaha04:59
LinuxJonesogra, i only transcode the music that I have legally purchased ( and transcoded)04:59
ograLinuxJones: i understood.....was just philosophizing a bit....05:00
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WWogra: It is a fascinating issue. The internet will only get faster and faster, making it ever easier to copy music, video, etc.05:02
LinuxJonesogra, I understand but I also support the bands that I listen to by paying $70.00 for a ticket to see them in person :D05:02
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geppyDoes ubuntu use something like ESD, by default?05:02
Mr_Smileygeppy, i think so05:03
geppyDo people not like ALSA's dmix?05:04
Mr_Smileydunno05:04
geppyhmph =)05:04
Mr_Smileyi have an audigy2 though so i disabled esd05:04
Mr_Smiley:P05:04
geppyhaha05:04
geppyHow is the Linux support on it?05:04
Mr_Smileywell it works..05:04
Mr_Smiley:P05:04
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geppyhahaha05:04
Mr_Smileylol05:05
geppyI was looking into getting an Audigy 2 Platinum for recording purposes... until I browsed ALSA support pages, and found that none of the cool stuff was supported.05:05
Mr_Smileygeppy, yeah i don't use it for that.05:05
geppyAh, alright.05:05
blacknyxI have audigy gamer05:05
geppyeh, how's that supported?05:06
blacknyxalright, it works but it doesn't have anything special, its a bitch to config on a newly installed distro05:06
Mr_Smileyi think all audigy's use the same driver?05:06
blacknyxmy ubuntu still doesn't like it, no sound.  so im back on my duel boot suse05:06
Mr_Smiley:(05:06
geppyOh.  All but one, but each card has different features.05:06
Mr_Smileyyeah05:06
Mr_Smileyi have an audigy 2 ZS05:07
geppyDifferent features aren't supported on different cards.05:07
geppyNice card, that.  :)05:07
Mr_Smiley:D05:07
WWbrettcar: I've tried to get different free mp3's from last.fm, and each time it says "Whoops, this download isn't available yet..."05:07
WWs/get diff/get five diff/05:07
Mr_Smileywell my sound card worked fine with ubuntu05:08
Mr_Smileyworks*05:08
blacknyxmine did!  for like an hr, then it quit working again.  *grumbles* 05:08
Mr_Smileylol 05:08
Mr_Smileythat's strange05:08
blacknyxvery05:08
blacknyxand does anyone know why i cant find mplayer to isntall?05:08
Mr_Smileyi am happy that ubuntu even supports my wireless card05:09
Mr_Smileyblacknyx, you have to add a source05:09
geppyhaha05:09
geppyYeah, google for it.05:09
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Mr_Smileyalthough i thought it used madwifi drivers?05:09
blacknyxlol im an idiot geppy, ignore my stupid questions.  05:09
LinuxJonesgeppy, unfortunately your still here ?05:09
geppyhaha, you're not an idiot, it's just that I just finished talking about it.05:09
geppyhahahahaha05:09
geppyYes, I am still ehre.05:10
Mr_Smileyanyway to find out what driver my wireless card is using?05:10
LinuxJonesgeppy, why not leave 05:10
geppyMy sincerest apologies.05:10
blacknyxthat was weird05:10
Mr_Smileyi just don't get how my wireless card is working under ubuntu whereas other distros i had to install the madwifi driver?05:11
ygnomethat's the first time I've seen one of those ppl leave when it was suggested...05:11
GotD0tone of those people?05:11
blacknyxi was thinking the same thing ygnome05:11
Mr_Smileylol05:12
LinuxJones:)05:12
ograLinuxJones: thanks ;)05:12
GotD0tok, my dad is going to kill me if i dont get the network printer working... anybody wanna help me?05:12
ygnomeGotD0t: what will he kill you with?05:13
GotD0tygnome: probably will throw that POS win-ME box at me that resides in the living room05:13
WWygnome: His dad will make him play minesweeper for 24 hours straight.05:13
GotD0tww: hey, i like minesweeper05:14
GotD0t;-)05:14
ygnomeGotD0t: ok tell us what sort of printer it is and why u can't get it to go.05:14
GotD0twell it works here... i just don't know how to get it so he can print from the family windows computer05:15
WWGotD0t: So the printer is attached to a computer running ubuntu?05:15
GotD0tygnome: its an HP photosmart 726005:15
GotD0tWW: aye05:15
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GotD0tWW: and the computer that needs to be able to print to it is, i believe win2k05:16
ygnomeGotD0t: oh, so it's not really a network printer, it's a shared printer?05:16
GotD0tygnome: thats what i meant05:16
ygnomeGotD0t: I see that now :)05:17
GotD0tygnome: well it should be a shared printer... its not at this point considering this comp is the only one which can print from it05:17
ograhave to sleep now, night all ..... GtoD0t: happy samba setup ;)05:17
GotD0tygnome: you still alive?05:19
ygnomeGotD0t: hang on, I'll check05:20
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GotD0tygnome: that should be self-evident05:20
ygnomeGotD0t: ouch! yes. I'm alive :)05:20
ygnomeGotD0t: what have u done to share the printer?05:20
GotD0tygnome: nothing, i dont know where to begin...05:20
ygnomeGotD0t: ok. well, that won't work.05:21
ygnomeGotD0t: ubuntu runs cups, ok?05:21
blacknyxbe back, gotta try to format my other hd05:21
GotD0tthat shouldn't be too hard ;005:22
blacknyxit shouldn't, but its ntfs format with tons of media files I dont want to lose05:22
GotD0toh05:22
ygnomeGotD0t: I've done this b4, but it was a long time ago, just looking for a setup...05:22
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GotD0tygnome: thanks05:23
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ygnomeGotD0t: can you browse the cups help on your system?05:27
ygnomeGotD0t: try this in a browser: http://localhost:631/sam.html#8_805:27
GotD0tyea05:27
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WWGotD0t: Also take a look at question 18: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions05:28
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WWGotD0t: (But I am mostly ignorant, so I don't know if that will help with getting a windows box to use your printer.)05:30
ygnomeWW: looks like u are on the money there Didn't know that MS was doing IPP, that's cool.05:32
ygnomeGotD0t: so you have 2 options, now. Samba or IPP.05:33
GotD0tygnome: hmm05:34
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WWygnome: I don't see how I can be on the money when I don't really know what the heck I'm doing! :)05:35
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ygnomeWW: well, it is :)05:37
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ygnomeGotD0t: if it were me, I'd use the FAQ method, you will probably get more help on it here if the wheels fall off.05:39
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ygnomebbiab. lunch...05:47
WWGotD0t: Still there?05:52
GotD0tWW: yea, working on it05:53
WWI happen to have a Win2k laptop sitting here, and a printer attached to my Ubuntu desktop, so I am trying the same thing.05:53
devscottis there a howto for linux drivers on warty?05:54
WWdevscott: If it's for something common like graphics drivers for nvidia or ati, yes.05:55
bob2devscott: which drivers?05:55
devscottww, could you point me to a nvidia one?05:55
devscottI have dual monitors that I would really love to use05:55
bob2devscott: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:55
bob2assuming your question is "How do I install the nvidia binary drivers?"05:55
WWdevscott: What bob2 said :)05:56
devscottthanks bob2 & ww05:56
WWGotD0t: I made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki, and in the Win2k box, I tried adding a Network Printer.05:57
WWGotD0t: I'm currently in the Add Printer Wizard...05:57
Lathiatjust browse to the computer in network neighbourhood05:58
Lathiatright click the printer and hit connect05:58
WWLathiat: In Win2K?  Where is the network neighborhood?06:00
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LathiatWW: it might be caled network places or something06:01
Lathiatit should be a link off your desktop06:01
GotD0tquestion: does anybody know why my win2k box seems to be getting an insanely slow connection to HP's website, and i get a normal speed06:04
bob2mtu?06:04
devscottGotD0t: are you downloading drivers?06:04
GotD0tdevscott: well im attempting to download a driver on the win2k box...06:05
devscottthere is a known problem with their driver download page06:05
GotD0toh?06:05
devscottGotD0t: cancel the download and restart it06:05
devscottGotD0t: should fix it06:05
neuro_devscott: do elaborate, i've been dl'ing drivers from hp for years and never had a prob06:05
bob2wow, that's a very strange bug06:05
devscott<-- wife works at HP06:05
neuro_that's not elaborating :>06:06
devscottthey have some issue with some connectivity since they updated some of their asp applications06:06
neuro_k06:06
devscottumm the form you go through to get to the drivers06:07
neuro_of course, if they named their driver files more sensibly, you could just browse ftp.hp.com :)06:07
devscottare mostly asp driven, and point to a old server06:07
GotD0tdevscott: uhh. still doesnt seem to be working... its giving me 10 kb/s... and its midnight so i dont think theres a lot traffic on their site06:07
devscottshouldn't be at this time06:07
GotD0tdevscott: its the retarded computer06:08
devscottwhich driver, I'll try here06:08
GotD0tdevscott: im downloading it on my ubuntu box and its getting 400kb/s06:08
devscotthmmm. odd indeed06:09
GotD0tdevscott: its the computer, its dying06:09
devscottyeah windows will do that to a machine ;)06:09
GotD0tdevscott: not just windows.. the mere fact that its an old HP06:09
bob2GotD0t: language please06:10
neuro_bob2: ?06:11
GotD0t?06:11
GotD0ti prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish06:11
=== neuro_ prefers perl :>
GotD0tprint "i prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish"06:12
devscottdoes firefox pull the plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?06:12
neuro_forgot the ; :)06:12
GotD0tsorry06:12
GotD0tits late06:12
neuro_even later here :)06:13
GotD0tif i need to run a command with sudo and i need it cron'ed then how do i set it up?06:13
devscottcron it under root?06:14
neuro_run it from root's crontab06:14
GotD0tk06:14
neuro_or from one of the cron.* dirs, i.e. cron.daily06:14
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whiprush/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins devscott 06:15
GotD0twheres my cd burner?06:16
devscottwhilprush: java is being stubborn06:16
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whiprushah, so you have it working I see. :p06:16
whiprushlibjavaplugin_oji.so should be in there06:17
whiprushsymlinked to wherever you installed the java plugin06:17
whiprushmine is in 06:17
whiprush/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so06:17
devscotttried that but about:plugins comes up empty06:18
WWIn Win2K, I couldn't figure out the "Network Places" that lathiat mentioned.06:18
devscottgcc32 or just ns7?06:18
whiprushdepends, you have to find it.06:18
whiprushdepends on how you installed it06:18
whiprushas long as the symlink points to the right one it'll work06:18
WWWhen I try to install a printer using the Add Printer Wizard, and I give it the URL http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/ML-1750,06:18
devscott<- has a feeling he should've used the 1.4  instead of the 1.506:18
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WWwindows apparently talks to 192.168.1.2, but it says it doesn't have the correct driver.06:19
rtthis new kvm switch seems to work quite well.06:19
WWWhy should I need a driver in windows?  The computer to which the printer is attached has the driver.06:20
LinuxJonesnight all sleepy time :)06:20
Matrix_Useri have a public announcement to make06:20
Matrix_Userubuntu r0x :)06:21
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neuro_i think praising Ubuntu in 06:22
neuro_i think praising Ubuntu in #ubuntu is kinda redundant06:22
neuro_but i'm sure the devs appreciate it nonetheless :>06:22
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Matrix_Userits constructive criticism :)06:23
WWAh yes, ancient debian...06:23
devscott:)06:23
Matrix_Userwhens the last time someone told you , ya rock06:23
rtpeople line up outside my door to tell me that.06:23
ygnomeWW: windows needs to know how to format the data, pagesizes and margins etc, etc.06:23
rtpackages 19% completed.06:24
devscott<- likes monodevelop06:25
GotD0tww: you need to download the proper drivers from whatever the website is06:25
rt45%06:29
GotD0tWW how are you setting up your printer?06:29
WWGotD0t: In progress... I found the CD that came with the printer.06:29
GotD0tWW: but which way?06:29
WWGotD0t: I'm trying the "Add Printer Wizard": Network Printer, URL is the server printer.06:30
GotD0tWW; because i tried samba and i got the drivers and such installed, and its telling me a command or something was missing06:31
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WWGotD0t: No love from Win2K.  It still gives me the same error.  If I had read the error more carefully I could have guessed that.06:32
srbaker_yo06:32
srbaker_is there anything special i need to watch an avi in ubuntu?06:33
GotD0tcodecs06:33
srbaker_i'm getting an "unknown error" from totem06:33
GotD0thaha06:33
GotD0twhat format is the avi in?06:33
srbaker_it works fine on the other ubuntu box06:33
WWIt says "The server on which the 'Samsung ML-1750 Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended)' printer resides does not have the correct printer driver installed.  If you want to install the driver on your local computer, click OK."06:33
srbaker_GotD0t, dunno.  but i watched it find on the other ubunto box.   and i don't think i installed anything special06:33
srbaker_where do i configure xine for sound?06:34
GotD0tww: well thats because when two windows boxes share a printer the remote box pulls the driver files from the host06:34
GotD0tww: and when it cant find them on the host, you have to install them yourself06:35
srbaker_how do i figure out what format the avi is in?06:36
GotD0tsrbaker_ ask the person you got it from06:36
srbaker_GotD0t, no.06:36
GotD0tsrbaker_ of course im assuming you got it from a P2P network06:36
srbaker_yes06:36
srbaker_i think it's an audio error, actually06:36
srbaker_how do i make sure xine can talk to my audio device?06:36
GotD0tsrbaker_ what makes you think that06:36
neuro_use the file command06:37
neuro_neuro@majestic:~/media/Enterprise $ file star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.\[BT\] .avi 06:37
neuro_star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.[BT] .avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 624 x 352, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)06:37
srbaker_The Sopranos - Season 5 - Ep 2.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 368, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)06:37
GotD0tright, XviD and mp306:38
srbaker_** (totem:9835): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)48000, channels=(int)2, codec_data=(buffer)020080bb0000ec3e0000800400000c0001000200000082010100000006:38
srbaker_that's why i think it's an audio pro blem06:38
GotD0tgotcha06:38
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GotD0tsrbaker_ well you need to install the mp3 codec... im surprised you dont have that and you have the XviD06:39
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agwibowowhat's an easy way to do file transfer to an Ubuntu machine? I usually run the ssh server and then do scp to it.... but it seems that ubuntu doesn't have it, even in the universe/main repository06:39
WWGotD0t: OK, I made progress.  I installed the drivers from the, and I was able to add the printer in Win2K.  But I just tried to print something to it, and it looks like windows tried to print to LPT1 !!!06:39
Gmailhey gnome-audio is broken06:39
srbaker_GotD0t, but i'm telling you, it works on my other ubuntu box06:39
srbaker_that has the same software06:39
WWGotD0t: s/from the,/from the CD,/06:40
Gmailwell not broken06:40
phillwhat is the live cd like?06:40
GotD0ti believe you srbaker_06:40
phillwill it detect my ati card and use the binary drivers? 06:40
Gmailit built agenst almost everything in ubuntu06:40
phillwhere is the ATi faq for ubuntu?06:40
bob2phill: nope06:40
Gmaili.e. gnome, base-config .....06:40
bob2phill:  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto06:41
Gmailand wtf does i.e. stand for?06:41
phillthanks06:41
vashtari've got a firefox question that is probably simple06:41
srbaker_i'll try totem-gstreamer, maybe that's how i did it06:41
agwibowohelloo... anyone?? can help me??06:41
agwibowofile transfer in ubuntu??06:41
rtinternet explorer?06:41
rt:-)06:41
bob2agwibowo: you didn't install the ssh server06:42
Mr_SmileyGmail, Applications - Accessories - Dictionary :P06:42
bob2agwibowo: do so06:42
srbaker_oh.  totem-gstreamer was installed.  i'm trying totem-xine now06:42
Gmailinternet exploder? (btw i never touch ie in my life because i'v never touched winblows before)06:42
agwibowobob2: i did  sudo apt-get install sshd      doens't have it06:42
bob2agwibowo: openssh-server06:42
GmailMr_Smiley: i cant open gnome06:42
vashtareverytime i try to open a php file, it pops up the "open with" type dialog instead of actually opening the file06:42
Mr_SmileyGmail, oh06:42
vashtaranyone know how to fix?06:42
agwibowoahhhh06:42
agwibowothanks06:42
bob2Gmail: you've never used windows?  how did you use dialup AOL then?06:42
GmailMr_Smiley: that might be because half of it isnt configured and installed06:42
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Mr_Smileyhehe06:43
bob2Mr_Smiley: Gmail didn't do a normal ubuntu install06:43
Gmailbob2: google > dail up to aol + linux06:43
Mr_Smileyyeah so i've hear06:43
GotD0tgmail: i think someone who hasnt used windows before is a very rare occurance06:43
Mr_Smileyheard*06:43
Mr_Smileyanyway06:43
bob2Gmail: yes, linspire have supported it for a few months now06:43
bob2Gmail: but you implied you used it years ago06:43
GmailGotD0t: i dont have enuff money to buy winblows06:43
GotD0tgmail: never went to college?06:44
Gmailbob2: i used it 1 month ago for 30min06:44
GmailGotD0t: i am 1406:44
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Gmailbob2: i said i used it 1 month ago for 30min06:44
GotD0tgmail: im sure your middle school has computers...06:44
GotD0tgmail: haven't you used those?06:44
GmailGotD0t: no just the princepble06:44
GotD0tgmail: or are they using apple II-e's?06:44
GotD0tyou're kidding?06:45
GmailGotD0t: i am in a privet school with 25 kids from years k to 906:45
neuro_hey, the //e was cool :)06:45
GotD0ti know... that was my first computer06:45
GmailGotD0t: wait the adminstartor brings here lappy from home every now and then06:45
GotD0ti wish i still had one06:45
Gmailand anyway my priceble use linux06:45
GotD0tWW; you there?06:46
WWSUCCESS!!!06:47
Gmaili only got $1.1k for my birthday from family (there scums they are *ALL* mutli-millionars and we a the poorer ones but i still rich)06:47
GotD0tHOW? im still reading an error from my win2k box06:47
Gmails/i/we06:47
GotD0tyou ONLY got 1.1k06:47
bob2Gmail: this seems fairly off-topic06:47
GotD0tclearly06:47
GmailGotD0t: yes but.....06:47
rthmmm.06:47
GotD0tWW: what did you do06:48
rtthis errored out.  looks like a bad cd?06:48
rtgrrr.06:48
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bob2rt: check the md5sum06:48
WWGotD0t: On the ubuntu side, I used made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki faq, and restarted cupsd.06:48
GotD0tWW: guess ill be trying that way06:49
WWGotD0t: In win2k, I used the "Add Printer Wizard"06:49
GotD0tWW: samba didnt work06:49
WWGotD0t: I never touched samba.06:49
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GotD0tWW: looks like you were the brighter one06:49
Gmailhmm i EVERYTHING from the kernel to gnome from the internet last night (in my unlimmited offpeak quota) and gnome isnt load fast i have to wait again06:50
WWGotD0t: I added a "Network Printer", and gave the following URL: http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/ML-1750.06:50
Gmailok me reburns06:51
Gmailbob2: i am having problem with my burner06:51
bob2really?06:51
bob2that's a huge surprise.06:51
Gmailany right mode i use it says it doesnt support it06:51
Gmails/right/write06:51
Gmaili used: -tao -dao and -sao and maybe one more that #ubuntu told me to06:52
GotD0tbob2, be nice06:52
LathiatGotD0t: try reading yesterdays backlog06:52
GotD0tLathiat: oh, hehe06:53
GmailLathiat: lol06:53
bob2Gmail: does your burner actually work at all?06:53
GmailGotD0t: dont you will see lots of repeating06:53
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Gmailbob2: in manbrake it did06:53
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bob2Gmail: burn ubuntu from inside mandrake then06:54
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Gmailbut in manbrake also cdp... -scanbus worked too06:54
bob2yes, burn it in mandrake06:54
Gmailand manbrake uses a 2.6 kernel06:54
bob2yes, I know06:54
bob2burn the cd under mandrake06:54
GotD0tthen use mandrake...06:55
GotD0twow06:55
GotD0tthat was odd06:55
Gmailso why doesnt cdp... -scanbus work in ubuntu?06:55
bob2Gmail: no one can possibly help you debug such a broken system.06:55
neuro_oops06:56
bob2once you install ubuntu properly, we can help you get cd burning working06:56
GmailGotD0t: i used manbrake for now 20hrs i hate it there is no cdrecord be default it hell to install anything and bittorent doesnt work06:56
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WWGmail: Indeed, once you install Ubuntu properly, CD burning will Just Work (TM)06:56
Gmailbob2: i am going to have reinstall manbrake06:57
Gmail:(06:57
Gmailabout 20min06:57
bob2Gmail: ok, see you later.06:57
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Gmailand then to burn the cd a 8x 20min06:57
GotD0t8x?06:57
GotD0twow06:57
Gmailthen to install 30min06:57
WWGmail: 4x is safer06:57
GotD0ti burn DVD's at 8x06:58
bob2Gmail: cool, see you then06:58
GmailGotD0t: my cd drive support 52x my cd support 42x06:58
bob2Gmail: go reinstall it now.06:58
GotD0thave fun06:58
Gmail:(06:58
=== Gmail wait from gnome just 1 more min
Gmailok my partioning of my 160hdd is 500mb /boot 50GB / 50GB /home 40GB /music and rest swap like 19.5GB07:00
Gmailwhat should i change that to?07:00
chutwigthat's a whole lot of swap07:00
WWGmail: You don't need 19.5GB for swap07:00
Sensebendthat is a lot of boot too07:00
chutwighe might need to keep like 200 kernels around, though07:00
Sensebendnot much home07:00
Gmailchutwig: it will be 1% of my mounted space07:00
WWGmail: How much RAM do you have?07:01
bob2Gmail: that's not the point07:01
bob2Gmail: 19.5GB of swap is a complete waste07:01
chutwigtwice physical memory is really the largest swap you should need07:01
chutwigtypically 1.5x is more than enough07:01
Gmail512MB +200MB (not in system right now)07:01
Sensebendso 768MB total?07:02
Lathiatso the most you could possibly want is like 2gig07:02
bob2the 2x rule is very out of date07:02
chutwigi honestly would not be concerned with splitting the partitions way up07:02
Gmailbut i never have used my swap before in debian07:02
Sensebendat the MOST you would want about 2Gigabyte07:02
WWGmail: 512MB is probably fine for swap, and even then, your system might never touch it.07:02
bob2256MB of swap with 512 is plenty07:02
Lathiatand even then, i highly doubt youll ever use much of it, if any07:02
Sensebend2gigabytes is huge though07:02
WWIs there an echo in here?07:02
GmailSensebend: - 64mb for gfx07:02
WW:)07:02
chutwigi think making a single boot partition, then devoting all the rest to / save whatever you're saving for swap07:02
bob2Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome07:02
chutwigis a sensible layout07:02
Sensebendah shared video memory07:03
bob2you don't need a boot partition anymore07:03
SensebendI'll agree with bob207:03
Gmailwtf is /gnome?07:03
Sensebendhe means home07:03
GmailWTF no way07:03
Gmaili have so much in my /usr/src07:04
bob2Gmail: then don't put it there07:04
calcmore than 10gb?07:04
Gmailthat it, it self will be 10GB07:04
bob2Gmail: so put it in /home like a normal person07:04
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calci make all of the system in a 16GB / partition (including /home)07:04
LathiatGmail: then symlink that dir, dont put it in there (your not supposed to, really) or just make a 160GB / partition07:04
WWGotD0t: Any luck printing?07:04
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Gmailbob2: do you put gobal source like the kernel source somewhere else than /usr/src?07:05
=== ygnome wonders when Gmail last keened his room :)
ygnomekleaned even07:05
Gmailcalc: i got a cd which has every singal kernel out there till 26.307:05
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bob2Gmail: of course07:05
Gmails/26.3/2.6.307:05
calci put kernel source in /usr/src but it would take a lot to fill 10GB07:05
bob2Gmail: ~/tmp07:05
rtdamn, these cheap cds suck.07:05
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Gmailok 30GB /usr?07:06
calcheh comedy central isn't censoring southpark07:06
LathiatGmail: just make a 160GB /, its just easier.07:06
bob2Gmail: why are you wasting your time splitting up into multiple partitions?07:06
LathiatGmail: theres no point partitioning up07:06
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GmailLathiat: i need one for my /home i swap distro lots of times07:06
bob2Gmail: obviously your data isn't *that* important, or you would't be formatting it07:06
bob215:02 < bob2> Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome07:06
WWA separate /home is sort of convenient.07:06
bob2wow, that's a good idea, bob2!07:07
Gmailbob2: i never format my /home07:07
bob2Gmail: why don't you just go do this now instead of wasting time discussing it?07:07
Sensebendgo make your 20GB swap partition07:07
bob2since you never listen to anyone, anyway, you might as just use whatever idea pops into your head at this particular second07:07
Gmailok can i copy my /home stuff to my /partion?07:07
ygnomeGmail: bob2 has a point, you'd be almost installed by now...07:08
bob2Gmail: sure!07:08
Gmailhow?07:08
Gmailahh wait07:08
Gmaili copy data from /home to /07:08
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Gmailbut then how do i delete home at the same time07:08
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Gmailand make the / bigger07:09
bob2Gmail: yes!07:09
Sensebendrm -rf /home07:09
neuro_rt: hehe07:09
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Gmaillol Sensebend 07:09
Sensebendto remove it07:09
Sensebendlol07:09
Sensebendit won't be moved07:09
rtwouldn't crocheting be more relaxing and ultimately more rewarding?07:09
Gmail/exec -o rm -r Sensebend 07:09
Gmail/exec -o rm -r *Sensebend* 07:10
bob2Gmail: stop being annoying to everyone07:10
bob2Gmail: if you want to format /home, do so07:10
Gmailok07:10
bob2ok, goodbye, see you when you have ubuntu installed07:10
Gmailso do i have to install manbrake now?07:10
WWrt: Probably not... I imagine long, technical arguments over what kind of yarn is best, and what kind of needles one should use...07:10
neuro_manbrake?07:10
Gmaili dont want to go throu manbrake's installer again and have all those errors07:11
ygnomeyea, see you soon Gmail. good luck with it07:11
bob2Gmail: just burn the cd.  if you can't figure it out in ubuntu, use mandrake.07:11
bob2Gmail: bye!07:11
neuro_ww: alt.crocheting.needles.spiky.ouch.ouch.ouch07:11
|progenic|excuse me, how to set it automatically that i start my linux i dun have to export my proxy everytime07:11
Gmailneuro_: my cd burner only works manbrake for some reason07:11
|progenic|can somebody help me ?07:11
neuro_wtf is "manbrake"?07:11
bob2neuro_: he can't type.07:12
neuro_bob2: ah, ok07:12
bob2|progenic|: in what program?07:12
Gmailwtf is "neuro_" ?07:12
neuro_Gmail: it's my nick07:12
bob2Gmail: stop it.07:12
Gmailok07:12
|progenic|in console07:12
bob2|progenic|: set it in ~/.bashrc07:12
|progenic|especially when i want to use apt07:12
neuro_Gmail: and calling mandrake "manbrake" is somewhat childish, no?07:12
|progenic|how ?07:12
ygnomethank god.07:13
bob2|progenic|: export http_proxy="whatever07:13
bob2"07:13
Lathiat|progenic|: For some gnome programs (epiphany, for example) you can set it in Desktop Preferences -> Network Proxy, for stuff off the shell you could set it in ~/.bashrc (add export HTTP_PROXY="http://blah:111") 07:13
neuro_i wonder why freenode takes people's money at times07:13
neuro_then i remember lilo has no shame :>07:13
Sensebendwe need ops in this channel07:13
Sensebendto get rid of such annoying people07:13
Lathiatoh god he left?07:13
Lathiatthought id never see the day!07:13
neuro_hehe07:13
Sensebendlog idiot.log saved07:14
Sensebendlol07:14
Sensebendthis was comical07:14
Lathiatheh07:14
Lathiatnot reall07:14
neuro_Warning: filesystem does not support multi-terabyte files such as you have just saved07:14
Lathiaty07:14
Lathiatit pisses us off and is depressing :P07:14
Sensebendit would have been funny if he ran the command I told him to07:15
Sensebendlol07:15
Sensebendrm -rf /home07:15
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bob2Sensebend: no it wouldn't07:15
neuro_i was about to suggest umount /home && mke2fs /home07:15
bob2Sensebend: do not recommend that again07:15
tvon|x31Telling people to do damaging stuff is not a good idea07:16
neuro_it wouldn't have worked, but it would have been amusing07:16
tvon|x31even if they are annoying 'newbs'07:16
bob2gmail has been trying to use linux for well over six months07:16
Sensebendat least his heart is in the right place07:16
bob2no, he's abusive and ignores advice07:17
neuro_even tho his head is in the wrong place?07:17
ygnomegood lord, bob2, is that correct?07:17
neuro_however i have to suggest tolerance of those not "in the know"07:17
neuro_and agree with bob207:18
SensebendI agree too07:18
neuro_all it takes is for one "noob" to come here asking for advice in the wrong way, for them to get brushed off with a dodgy command or three, and it shows up on /. a cpl days later07:18
rtthat's odd.   Burned two different cds on two different machines, both failed installs w/ media errors.  07:18
bob2rt: did you check their md5sums?07:18
rtyes.07:18
rtboth checked out okay.07:18
ygnomert: maybe it's the install machine's cd drive?07:19
Sensebendhmm07:19
Mr_Smileyis there anyway i can find out what module my wireless card is using07:19
rtnever had any trouble with it before...07:19
bob2Mr_Smiley: "dmesg"07:19
ajmitch_evening07:19
Sensebendthat guy was obnoxious, I have no problem going well out of my way even donating my spare time to help someone out with OSS07:19
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Sensebendbut my patience wears thin with obnoxious people07:19
Sensebendwho refuse to listen to good advice07:19
neuro_yeah but pissing them off won't help matters07:20
ygnomert: didn't i see instructions for installing from the HD a while ago, maybe u should try that...07:20
neuro_believe me, i've seen the end results07:20
ajmitch_I wonder if they teach spelling at that private school?07:20
Mr_Smileybob2, thanks07:20
neuro_i've been a part of the smoothwall project for nearly 4 yrs now, and if you know anything of the project history, you'll know what insulting/patronising users can do, no matter how much or little they know07:20
bob2well, the devs don't come off much better in that story07:21
ygnomeneuro_: yes, but Dick started it!07:21
WWajmitch_: they prolly due, but iz kewl 2 mi2pe1107:21
neuro_ygnome: true dat :)07:21
ajmitch_WW: that's almost painful to read07:21
tvon|x31werd07:21
neuro_pwned07:21
WW)07:21
SensebendI have no problem reading 1337 speak, it just so childish07:21
ajmitch_hmm, looks like my network setting didn't save07:21
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Sensebendwb GotD0t07:22
neuro_en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet07:22
ygnomeI was chatting to Dick on here a few weeks ago, he's much better now!07:22
neuro_ygnome: he's really not07:22
bob2ygnome: full of praise and love!07:22
GotD0tthanks, considering i didnt know i was gone untill i couldnt change my nick07:22
neuro_his mails to the list are the same kind of mails he's been sending out for years07:23
tvon|x31When I was 6 my sisters would speak piglatin, they were a few years older... that 1337 shit is about at the same level07:23
ygnomebob2: well, I could chat for 5 minutes without getting abused. that's an improvement.07:23
Mr_Smileyso ubuntu comes with madwifi drivers :)07:23
bob2Mr_Smiley: yes07:23
GotD0tWW: you still around?07:23
neuro_a mixture of friendly praise, offers of donations (read: effectively bribes) and utter abuse07:23
bob2Mr_Smiley: should be setup automatically, too07:23
Mr_Smileyi was just surprised at how easy it was to get working07:23
SensebendI was actually disappointed everything worked as it should07:23
Sensebendlol07:23
Sensebendbut that's just me07:24
neuro_i note he's done all three on the users list in the space of a few days07:24
Mr_Smileysame07:24
ygnomeneuro_: ah. don't get the list, too much incoming as it is...07:24
GotD0tok, I'm off to sleep... night all07:24
Sensebendnight07:24
WWGotD0t: I'm embarassed to admit that yes, I am still around...07:24
SensebendI should go to bed soon to07:24
Sensebend1:23AM07:25
neuro_his threatening jdub was a classic07:25
GotD0tWW: well i just got it working07:25
neuro_0625 here :)07:25
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WWkewl07:25
GotD0tsensebend 1:@% get a watch that works07:25
GotD0terr07:25
GotD0t1:25*07:25
neuro_ygnome: on behalf of every other member of the team, apols for that07:25
neuro_you're more than welcome to return if you feel you can be bothered :)07:25
Sensebendyeah my watch isn't synced to a ntp server07:25
Sensebendlol07:25
GotD0tneither is mine07:25
WWGotD0t: Same way I did?07:25
neuro_how cool would that be tho? :)07:25
ygnomeneuro_: thanks. np. running ipcop now.07:25
GotD0tWW: Yea07:25
neuro_ygnome: ugh :)07:26
ygnomeneuro_: :)07:26
WWGotD0t: OK, maybe tomorrow I'll put a note in the wiki.07:26
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GotD0t-sleepWW: took me a bit to realize that I still had this box set to DHCP and the ip i was using didnt exist07:27
WWBounty?  Isn't that a paper towel?07:27
neuro_uh sure, but it's been a choc bar longer :)07:27
GotD0t-sleepok, im off... bye all07:27
ygnomeneuro_: I still have an email exchange with DM that would make your hair curl. :)07:27
WWGotD0t-sleep: 'nite07:27
neuro_ygnome: betcha i've had worse07:27
Sensebendcya GotD0t-sleep have a nice rest07:28
neuro_i have all his current email address combinations blocked in my exim config07:28
ygnomelol07:28
Sensebendwho neuro? dick?07:28
neuro_aye07:28
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neuro_you're talking about a guy who called me his best mate, then proceeded to call me all sorts of names under the sun and also borderline libel me too07:28
ygnomeI even got a 'cancer' apology at one point inbetween twat messages...07:28
jdubdudes07:28
jduboff-topic stuff elsewhere please07:29
crimsunguys, let's leaves this out07:29
ygnomek.07:29
neuro_jdub: yup yup07:29
SensebendI'll agree, this has nothing to do with ubuntu07:29
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Sensebendthat's ok07:29
Sensebendremember it is only irc, it is only a mailing list07:29
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SensebendI'd actually like to finally get VDR working07:30
neuro_Sensebend: imagine me biting my tongue right now, hehe07:30
angadhi guys, i am brad new to ubuntu and linux.  whats the best web browser in linux?  epiphany or firefox?07:30
neuro_i have some magic thirty quid PVR card en route to try out07:30
Sensebendfirefox07:30
neuro_firefox definitely07:30
angadgreat sensebend, thank you.  now that brings me to another question07:30
Sensebendbut it all really boils down to personal preference07:31
crimsunangad: "best" is subjective, but there's a reason mozilla-firefox is featured prominently ;)07:31
angadthe version that i installed through the synamptic thing was an old version, and so i downloaded the preveiew release07:31
neuro_i got mythtv running sweet, pity my machine i stotally underpowered to run it in software07:31
angadand i unintalled the old version using the synamptic thing07:31
neuro_ubuntu itself runs stupidly fast07:31
angadbut07:31
angadwhere are programs supposed to install themselves?  and how do i install the new version into the appropriate directory?07:31
angadis there a program files directory like windows?07:31
Sensebendusually /usr/bin07:31
angadis that the home folder?07:31
angadthast where the new version seems to have installed itself07:31
neuro_or /usr/X11/bin for X stuffzors07:31
Lathiatangad: what are you trying to install07:32
angadfirefox07:32
angadfirefox 1.0, preview release07:32
crimsunangad: 0.10.1 was reverted to 0.9.3 because 0.10.1 was too unstable07:32
crimsunangad: hence why it shipped with 0.9.3.07:32
angadoh, i see07:32
angadyikes07:32
angadi better get rid of the preview release then07:32
neuro_i don't think there's enough of a difference between 0.9.3 and 0.10.1 to get too worried about it07:32
neuro_all the security stuff was backported anyway07:32
angadoh ok07:32
tvon|x31the pre had a a few changes that I miss07:33
neuro_there are some cute eye candy bits and bobs for sure07:33
angadok, i'll try installing it into usr/bin and i'll let you know how it turns out07:33
angadthanks guys07:33
tvon|x31fixed a focus issue and keyboard shortcuts (like ctrl-a) in form fields07:33
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neuro_but Actual Browsing is pretty much the same07:33
tvon|x31yes07:33
Sensebendtvon|x31, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming07:33
Sensebendjust keep repeating tha07:34
Sensebendt07:34
neuro_i'm sure 1.0 will pop up in universe or multiverse once it's out07:34
angadhow do i remove a program?  do i juust remove its directory?07:34
neuro_use synaptic07:34
angadcan i use it even for pgorams that i didn't use it to install?07:35
ygnomeangad: like?07:35
neuro_depends how you installed them07:35
angadfirefox preview release07:35
angadi downloaded an installer file for firefox preview release and installed it into home07:35
angadhome/angad07:35
neuro_i'd assume it has an uninstall script07:35
angadok, ill check now07:35
bob2angad: don't install from tarballs into /usr...07:36
neuro_i've always installed firefox on linux using the distro's own version, not the static build from moz.org07:36
angadwhat is tarballs07:36
neuro_a tar archive07:36
bob2nevermind07:36
Sensebendcompressed tars with source in them07:36
angadoh i see07:36
neuro_or a compressed tar archive, i.e. file.tar.gz, file.tar.bz2, etc07:36
Sensebendcompressed with gzip or bzip207:36
angadso with a compressed tar file, how am i supposed to install?07:36
angadwhere do i install it?07:36
neuro_angad: you've clearly already installed it :>07:36
Sensebendjust run it07:37
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Sensebenddo you know what the path is you installed it to?07:37
angadyes sensebend, home/angad/firefox-installer07:38
angadthere is a folder called firefox installer that has all the firefox files in it07:38
|progenic|anybody, how can i play my mp3 from the music player ? it says that i dun have the plugin07:38
neuro_sounds like a FAQ to me07:38
bob2|progenic|: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats07:38
angadalso, what is the icon for an eecutable file?  is it a brown diamond with "sh" written on it?07:38
bob2|progenic|: (it's in the faq)07:38
|progenic|thx07:38
WW|progenic|: Maybe install gstreamer0.8-mad (or something like that)07:38
Sensebend|progenic|, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list07:38
neuro_angad: that's a shell script07:38
Sensebenduncomment the lines regarding universal07:39
Sensebendand sudo apt-get install xmms07:39
angadneuro, i don't see any executiable files in the folder where i installed firefox.  i see the sh file called "firefox" which runs firefox if i click on it07:39
angadwhere are the executable files placed?07:39
|progenic|is the apt-get will make the shortcut of the program from my applications menu ?07:39
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neuro_angad: i don't know, like i said i've never used the firefox binaries from moz.org07:40
angadoh i see, ok.07:40
neuro_i only ever download windows binaries from them07:40
u_d07:40
neuro_or older versions from browsers.evolt.org, and i rarely install stuff from there07:40
WW|progenic|: Depends on whether the package follows the standard for the desktop menu system. Some programs do, some don't.07:41
WWangad: Is there a README file somewhere in the stuff you downloaded?07:42
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neuro_gawd bless 1 meg dsl07:43
neuro_(if you have much faster dsl, shurrup)07:43
Sensebend3mbit cable07:44
neuro_gnar07:44
angadlet me scheck WW07:44
neuro_at least i get 100 meg at the office :>07:44
Sensebendthat must be nice07:45
Sensebendwork lots of late hours07:45
Sensebendwhen no one else is in the office07:45
Sensebend;)07:45
neuro_actually gigabit, but only 100 meg transit07:45
neuro_always someone in the office, 24/7 staffed datacentre :(07:45
neuro_hence i only dl pr0n at home ... erm, i mean research papers, yes, research stuff07:45
neuro_angad: looks like you'd be best off firing up a terminal window and typing07:46
neuro_~/firefox-installer/firefox-installer07:46
neuro_and following the installation doobrie07:46
neuro_there's no readme, silly mozilla types07:47
WWTime to go. 'night all.07:48
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neuro_nn ww07:48
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rsgillhey, it seems that the ubuntu kernels have bootsplash support, but even if I start up with a framebuffer console, it doesn't seem to come up?  Anyone know more?07:49
neuro_man, i love 6Music at this time in the morning07:49
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|progenic|since we don't have a root account, then how to set a root password ?07:51
|progenic|anybody ?07:51
neuro_sudo passwd07:51
neuro_or sudo su -    then do passwd 07:52
|progenic|thx07:52
joolz|progenic|: generally if you want to do things like that you could enter a sudo rootshell with `sudo -s`07:52
|progenic|ic07:53
neuro_each to their own tho07:53
FLeiXiuSneuro_ you wouldn't need to do sudo su -07:54
FLeiXiuSneuro_ it would just be su -07:54
Zindaror "sudo su -" because $HOME and other stuff is better07:54
FLeiXiuSsu is a public command for all users07:54
neuro_not if you don't know the root password07:54
Zindarbut you can't su if there is no root password07:54
Zindarbut you can use sudo su -07:54
FLeiXiuSneuro_ in that case you 'sudo passwd root'07:54
|progenic|to tell the truth, ubuntu is great07:54
|progenic|i'm satisfied with it so far07:54
FLeiXiuSIndeed.07:54
|progenic|:)07:54
neuro_FLeiXiuS: i've been using linux for years, it's ok I don't need a tutorial :>07:54
FLeiXiuSneuro_ Have I offended?07:55
neuro_FLeiXiuS: not in the slightest, note the smiley at end of my last07:55
FLeiXiuSneuro_ just making sure :-)07:55
neuro_:)07:55
neuro_i usually do root stuff as root on my own boxen, but sudo on shared boxen to preserve the "whodunnit" trail07:55
neuro_woo, talking heads07:56
FLeiXiuSThe bad part about ubuntu is the default user over SSH has a unencrypted password07:56
joolzFLeiXiuS: huh?07:56
FLeiXiuSso its always good to passwd your_username07:56
neuro_ssh *never* has unencrypted passwords07:56
crimsunssh is not unenciphered.07:57
FLeiXiuSneuro_ its plain text07:57
FLeiXiuSeasily able to de-encrypt07:57
neuro_FLeiXiuS: demonstrable proof?07:57
crimsunFLeiXiuS: what are you referring to?07:57
FLeiXiuScrimsun the first user created on ubuntu has an uncrpyted password07:58
neuro_how so?07:58
FLeiXiuSThat I do not know, i haven't checked the install process07:58
neuro_huh?07:58
crimsunFLeiXiuS: incorrect. It is hashed with a salt and stored where appropriate in the passwd file.07:58
FLeiXiuSBut, I have tested it over SSH07:58
neuro_ssh DOES NOT perform password exchange in the clear07:58
joolzFLeiXiuS: how have you checked it precisely?07:59
neuro_ubuntu itself doesn't store user passwords in cleartext either07:59
FLeiXiuSof couse it wouldn't, that would be obsurd07:59
neuro_but you just said ...07:59
FLeiXiuSI just said that the password wasn't encrpted07:59
neuro_um07:59
neuro_ok, you've lost me07:59
crimsunFLeiXiuS: where is it unenciphered?07:59
neuro_and probably everyone else here :)07:59
joolzneuro_: yep :)07:59
FLeiXiuSAnd that when you've hit SSH it encrypts it only over SSH, therefore its much more easier to obtain by a sniffer08:00
neuro_ok, go back to the start08:00
|progenic|on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx08:00
neuro_at what point are you seeing this and how did you observe it?08:00
FLeiXiuSInstead of the password being double encrypted its encrypted once at the SSH layer08:00
neuro_"double encrypted"?08:00
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FLeiXiuSneuro_ encrypted by ssh and by passwd08:00
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neuro_still lost me, dude08:01
FLeiXiuSwoosh08:01
FLeiXiuSIts alright, sorry lol08:01
joolzFLeiXiuS: ah, you mean its only encrypted by ssh and you saw the password with a keylogger?08:01
FLeiXiuSjoolz, precisely08:01
neuro_lol08:01
|progenic|on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx08:01
joolzwell, that's normal, it's not a ssh flaw08:02
neuro_name an OS that *doesn't* behave as you've observed ubuntu behaving08:02
FLeiXiuS|progenic|, haven't u said that more then enough?08:02
|progenic|i think nobody have read it, sorry08:02
joolzif anyone has access to your cables and can snigg, you're not safe anymore08:02
FLeiXiuSjoolz, but im saying if you sudo passwd USER, then it would add another layer of encryptain08:02
neuro_|progenic|: i'd delete the movie, i'd wager it's a copyright violation and you shouldn't be watching it anyway :)08:02
FLeiXiuS|progenic|: chmod +x file08:02
neuro_FLeiXiuS: how would it?08:03
joolzFLeiXiuS: not on fat3208:03
joolzneuro_: yeah, i'm curious too08:03
FLeiXiuSjoolz, explain08:03
neuro_all running passwd with sudo would do is run it with root privilege08:03
|progenic|it's a fansubs08:03
|progenic|:P08:03
|progenic|anime08:03
joolzok, i'll try to explain: "i really don't understand" :)08:03
neuro_it would still be susceptible to a local keylogger08:03
|progenic|all of them haven't been licenced08:04
neuro_|progenic|: i was only kidding, no need to explain yourself08:04
FLeiXiuSneuro_ ah i see where you are getting at,08:04
|progenic|it's a directory not a file that show the lock key08:04
FLeiXiuSI was mis-comprehending what I was saying my self until I actually thought about it08:04
joolzneuro_: yes, like i said. that's why it's better to work with key files and not allow password logins08:04
joolzFLeiXiuS: aha? :)08:04
FLeiXiuSlol08:04
FLeiXiuSyes08:04
neuro_FLeiXiuS: i assure you that the password being sent in the ssh exchange would be encrypted strongly enough to survive repeated sniffs08:04
joolzs/\?/\!/08:04
neuro_joolz: mmm, ssh keys08:05
neuro_i (heart) em08:05
joolzbut using keyfiles would also protect you from lan sniffers08:05
FLeiXiuSneuro_ I was taking it as, encypt the password locally then over ssh would provide more security08:05
joolzneuro_: yes08:05
neuro_oooh, apollo 44008:05
neuro_FLeiXiuS: no it wouldn't, how could it provide *more* security?08:05
joolzFLeiXiuS: no, if you want local security too, use ssh key files08:05
FLeiXiuSjoolz, key files are very usefull, i have a mouth full of them for backup locations lol08:05
joolzFLeiXiuS: ah, ok08:05
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FLeiXiuSlol, ok, new topic08:06
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FLeiXiuSHows the ubuntu experiences so far?08:06
neuro_great here08:06
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neuro_once i get my pvr card for my ubuntu/mythtv box, hopefully even better08:06
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Gmailat last08:07
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Gmaili am in ubuntu08:07
Gmailbut still installing08:07
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FLeiXiuSConfiguring the systems were always fun08:08
Gmailok can some one tell me the first 3 cartiters of the ubuntu i386 cd08:08
FLeiXiuSI need a nice 1 level desk so i can fit multiple monitors08:08
Gmaili wrote it down and missed out those 308:09
neuro_cartiters?08:09
neuro_sounds rude08:09
Zindarcartiters ? (my english don't know that word :) )08:09
FLeiXiuSZindar I know right? lol08:09
FLeiXiuSHmm..cartiters...hmm08:09
ZindarCartier08:10
Zindar       n : French explorer who explored the St. Lawrence river and laid08:10
Zindar           claim to the region for France (1491-1557) [syn: {Jacques08:10
Zindar           Cartier}] 08:10
Zindarcan't be it ?08:10
Zindarright? :)08:10
Gmaillike letters && numbers?08:10
Gmailcariters?08:11
smo(characters?)08:11
Gmailthe md5sum08:11
FLeiXiuScharacters ?08:11
Gmailyes smo 08:11
FLeiXiuSyeah08:11
FLeiXiuSAh, understood08:11
Zindara491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso08:11
Gmailok08:12
TheMusoq08:13
GmailZindar: thats the image08:14
Gmaili am talking about when its on the cd08:14
Gmailwell doesnt matter08:14
FLeiXiuS...what?08:14
FLeiXiuSlol08:14
ZindarI don't understand08:14
Gmaili see there is a md5sum.txt file on the cd08:14
FLeiXiuSwhen you put it on the cd, the contents of the iso are extracted to the CD in a bootable format08:14
Gmailwell is the ident that apt-cdrom shows the md5sum?08:15
neuro_Gmail: do you mean the entry for /etc/apt/sources.list?08:15
ZindarI'd be VERY impressed if the cd-image contained a md5sum of the cd-image itself08:15
Zindarthat would be really cool :)08:15
neuro_:))08:15
Gmaillol08:15
Gmaild/m08:15
GmailGNOME WORKS08:15
GmailWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT08:15
FLeiXiuSalways a good sign08:16
GmailPARTY AT MY HOME08:16
neuro_apt-get install temporal-mechanics08:16
neuro_temporal-mechanics is already the latest version08:16
Zindarwell.. considering that I've spent the last 5 years in gnome... i'd be surprised if not :)08:16
Gmailhmm the computer menu is cool08:16
Gmailbrb08:16
FLeiXiuSZindar, im working on my 3rd08:16
neuro_can i come out from behind the sofa yet?08:16
FLeiXiuSI began Linux when I was 13, first purchasing redhat 808:16
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FLeiXiuSneuro_ if your up for it :-P08:17
ZindarI just passed running linux 10 years now08:17
Zindarthat was fun....08:17
Zindaror something08:17
neuro_Zindar: bout same for me too08:17
smoSpeaking of the Computer menu, is it intentional that there's no context/right-click menu on it?08:17
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FLeiXiuSHow old are you guys?  If its not offending to ask :-P08:17
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GmailWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT08:18
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neuro_and without wanting to sound like i'm sucking up too much, ubuntu's the most impressive distro i've seen08:18
Zindarkids08:18
Gmailok when will xchat be upgraded to 2.4?08:18
neuro_Zindar: yep </grumble>08:18
FLeiXiuSZindar: hush, im 16 :-)08:18
Zindar:)08:18
neuro_Gmail: in hoary most likely08:18
Gmaili can port debians .deb to ubuntu08:18
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FLeiXiuSI love my job though08:18
FLeiXiuSPC Sales / Tech for Best Buy :-)08:19
=== Zindar too.. exept.. today... I don't feel like working :)
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linux_galore:-D08:19
Gmailneuro_: you are telling me there will be no upgrade till the hoary branch opens?08:19
FLeiXiuSWonderful job for my age08:19
rtbizarre, I disabled dma on my cdrom, and it installed fine (if somewhat slowly)08:19
ZindarGmail: correct08:19
neuro_Gmail: no, i'm suggesting to you that that's what i reckon08:19
FLeiXiuSI believe I should boot into Ubuntu right about now :-)08:19
FLeiXiuSI miss it dearly08:19
Zindarthere will be no VERSION updates in warty...  there will be security updates...08:20
=== neuro_ sticks with good old dependable xp
Zindardependable xp? :)08:20
Zindarhehe08:20
neuro_sure08:20
FLeiXiuSZindar I was just about to say that ;-P08:20
dchartI have a slight install problem, but I suspect someone can help.08:20
FLeiXiuSneuro_ I'm in XP also, but only for Photoshop since cedega didn't work to well with photoshop08:20
dchartI'm on PPC, and the PPC iso crashes Apple's disk utility.08:20
GmailLOL08:21
dchartThis makes burning the install CD hard...08:21
neuro_rarely blue screens unless i plug in surly usb devices, rarely crashes unless i hassle it with crap software, generally Just Works08:21
Gmailwhen will hoary branch be made?08:21
neuro_debian sarge on most of my servers08:21
Gmaili really want xchat 2.4?08:21
neuro_Gmail: so compile it from source?08:21
dchartDoes someone happen to know the command line to burn from a .iso in cdrecord?08:21
FLeiXiuSneuro_ my server runs fedora c208:21
ZindarGmail: I'd compile the debian .deb on ubuntu if you feel you need it08:21
neuro_i like fedora more than i thought i would08:21
Gmaili then might start a upgrade service for ubuntu08:21
neuro_more heavy than ubuntu imo tho08:22
Gmailwhich will have debian .deb's ported to ubuntu08:22
Zindardchart: cdrecord -dev blaha  speed=blaha -verbose -data file.iso08:22
Zindarshould work08:22
FLeiXiuSdchart hence, change the blahs :-P08:22
FLeiXiuSyou wouldn't believe how many people would tpye that in and ask u what to do08:22
dchartZindar: Thanks.08:22
dchartI was planning to check on sensible values for speed...08:23
neuro_this is why command --help or man command rocks :)08:23
neuro_(or both in concert)08:23
=== dchart looked at man cdrecord... Very long, and not very well written.
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dchartIt covers everything you might want to do with the utility, and digging out something dead simple is non-trivial.08:24
Zindardchart: 4? 8? 16? 24? you can also do a dry-run burn.. which will test if it's going to work08:24
GmailWAW08:24
Gmailadd date stamps to xchat and it stuffs up08:24
neuro_dchart: that's why using / to search for terms in man pages also rocks :)08:24
smocdrecord seems to be much saner if you fill out the values in /etc/cdrecord/ - then you can simply "cdrecord -data filename"08:24
FLeiXiuSneuro_ I just pipe it :-P08:24
neuro_Gmail: so use a man's IRC client like BitchX or ircii :)08:25
dchartZindar: That's -dummy, right?08:25
FLeiXiuS|grep :-D08:25
Zindardchart: no idea.. sounds right :)08:25
neuro_FLeiXiuS: doesn't give you context tho08:25
dchartZindar: Oh, great. Well if I get a coaster it's All Your Fault. ;-)08:25
neuro_hehe08:25
FLeiXiuSneuro_ `more man cdrecord |grep cd08:25
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Zindardchart: I do that for free... just for you08:25
Zindar:)08:25
Gmailneuro_ i said i added date stamps to the client and it stuffs up08:25
neuro_that would page the results of the grep, not the man page itslef08:26
Gmailbut i fixed it08:26
neuro_Gmail: and i said use A Real IRC Client :>08:26
FLeiXiuSneuro_ well i was going for what i wanted, not the full context :-p08:26
FLeiXiuSWhich method would you prefer?08:26
neuro_FLeiXiuS: my point is that sometimes just grepping doesn't give you local context, which can be useful most times08:26
FLeiXiuSah understood.08:26
neuro_intrepid:~> man cdrecord | wc -l08:27
neuro_168608:27
neuro_intrepid:~> man cdrecord | grep -c cd08:27
neuro_18308:27
Gmailneuro_: i am waiting till irssi rewrite is finished08:27
neuro_Gmail: cool :)08:27
Gmailbut heh i am moving to irssi maybe08:27
LathiatGmail: so have you un fucked your computer yet?08:27
FLeiXiuSGmail, I've always wantd to give irsii a try..08:27
joolzGmail: which rewrite?08:27
rtboy, installing this stuff isn't exactly fast, is it?08:27
Lathiatrt: installing what?08:27
rtubuntu.08:28
rti'm having xp flashbacks.08:28
neuro_depends how fast your machine and/or internet connection is08:28
FLeiXiuSrt: its the fasted distro I have ever installed08:28
Gmaili am in gnome08:28
smoI'd really like to see a "nice" GUI client.  I don't see why IRC should have to put hairs on your chest08:28
joolzGmail: afaik irssi is installed by default08:28
neuro_FLeiXiuS: at the risk of running highly off topic, i betcha smoothwall can beat it :)08:28
joolzand there won't be a gui version08:28
Gmaili got irssi installed08:28
Gmailbrb08:28
FLeiXiuSneuro_ I haven't tried it :-P08:28
rtit's in the second stage install, and has been going for well over an hour for me.08:28
joolzrt: cool08:29
neuro_FLeiXiuS: world record, 0.9.9SE in 2.5 mins 08:29
FLeiXiuSdamn, hell of a nice install :-P08:29
FLeiXiuSwhat does it include?08:29
neuro_mind you, took me about an hour and a half to install ubuntu including downloading all the RC updates 08:29
neuro_then another 12 hours to compile mythtv :P08:29
FLeiXiuSha08:29
rtgiven that it's a single cd, it seems abominably slow to take so long to install.08:30
neuro_FLeiXiuS: go to the smoothwall site for more info, no point in spamming #ubuntu with all the details08:30
neuro_rt: what spec of machine and cd drive?08:30
rt8x dvd drive.  800mhz cpu.08:30
rtnot the fastest, but no slouch either.08:30
GmailUBUNTU ROCKS08:31
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Lathiatrt: how longs it taken on you so far?08:31
FLeiXiuSneuro_, :-P Just asking for a breif definition, How did you connect mythtv to your computer?08:31
Gmailwhen is the hoary branch opening up?08:31
FLeiXiuSneuro_, the tv connection 08:31
LathiatGmail: who knows, who cares08:31
neuro_FLeiXiuS: i have a wintv pci card hooked up to a sky digital digibox08:31
Gmaili care08:31
neuro_FLeiXiuS: but the software encoding was waaaay too slow - p/// 500 with 128 meg ram :(08:31
FLeiXiuSneuro_ very very nice08:31
joolzLathiat: i do :) x.org, alpha blending hmm08:31
FLeiXiuSgeez, that could take a bit of time ;-)08:32
Gmaili want kernel 2.6.9 it fixes the PnP problem with my motherboard08:32
neuro_so have picked up a card off ebay that does hardware mpeg 1/2/408:32
ZindarGmail: just wait.. it will open when people think it's ready.. but you are a fool if you start using it when it open.. it's likely to break your computer08:32
neuro_and somewhere in my laptop's firefox history are some mailing list posts to get the card running under linux08:32
neuro_if i can get it all running, i'll get it documented and stick up a web page aboot it08:33
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FLeiXiuSneuro_ whats your occupation?08:34
neuro_sysadmin for an is08:34
neuro_p08:34
FLeiXiuSWhich ISP, perhaps u could provide me with a little more up rates :-)08:34
neuro_tis a uk one, doubtful :)08:34
FLeiXiuSVery doubtful lol08:34
FLeiXiuSUSA <-08:34
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neuro_your whois kinda gave that away :)08:35
FLeiXiuSPerhaps a very very strong WISP to reach the east coast of america08:35
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neuro_maryland, right?08:35
rtah, finally finished.08:35
jgeorgesonif my [intel]  cpu doesn't support speedstep, is there any reason to run powernowd?08:36
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FLeiXiuSneuro_ good job08:36
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calci think neuro_'s job is to confuse other people into thinking he is neuro ;)08:36
neuro_FLeiXiuS: trivial to find out as you have MD in your cable connections hostname :>08:36
neuro_calc: not at all!08:36
Zindarwow.. thunder....08:36
FLeiXiuSneuro_ you can actualy track that to my IP address, ;-P08:36
psyklopswhere would it be most appropriate to ask about problems with flash?08:37
FLeiXiuSWhich in turn i do not care because its my public address anyways :-P08:37
GmailZindar: we can open something like backports.org08:37
Lathiatjgeorgeson: not really not, unless it supports other similar things08:37
alejandro_huh....there is no xine package in the repository?08:37
Lathiatjgeorgeson: powernowd does more than just speedstep iirc08:37
ZindarGmail: sure.. have fun08:37
neuro_FLeiXiuS: totally trivial to discover, honest! ... FLeiXiuS is ~Nick@[blahblah] .essex01.md.comcast.net * Nick R08:37
GmailZindar: ok08:37
Zindaralejandro_: add universe08:37
neuro_i thought powernowd was only for AMD CPUs08:38
FLeiXiuSneuro_ as I said, it wouldn't bother me for people who see my site would recieve my IP anyways since my Server is ran from home08:38
dchartOK, the dry run appears to be going well. Thanks everyone. I'll hang around in case it all goes horribly wrong... ;-)08:38
Gmailbackports.ubuntulinux.org08:38
alejandro_Zindar, what does that?08:38
Zindaralejandro_: add's lot's of unsupported software to synaptics... so you can install xine08:38
jgeorgesonneuro_: apparently it handles speedstep too08:38
neuro_coo08:39
alejandro_Zindar, there is no way to do that in the console?08:39
alejandro_:S08:39
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Zindaralejandro_: sure is.. sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment the universe line08:39
RageMaxare there any asterisk packages for ubuntu?08:39
Zindaralejandro_: apt-get update08:39
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Zindaralejandro_: apt-get install xine08:39
jgeorgesonneuro_: it does voltage changes too, i think to maximize battery life08:39
FLeiXiuSneuro_ I'm the network administrator for my school, so its quite aprehensive that I would allow my hostname to be delivered online, but I know the risks and just do not care :-P08:39
alejandro_Zindar, greit, thanks :)08:39
neuro_jgeorgeson: ah, cool08:39
alejandro_so, i'm wondering if its possible to use the debian repositories also?08:40
FLeiXiuSalejandro_ I dont see a reason why not too08:40
Zindaralejandro_: yes... if you are lucky... it is totaly unsupported and might break your computer08:40
jgeorgesonalejandro_: it will probably break as you might have packages with the same name/version from different repos and apt could pick the wrong one08:40
Zindaralejandro_: but WHY? universe has almost everything that debian has08:41
FLeiXiuShence universe08:41
alejandro_Zindar, it was just a wondering ;)08:41
alejandro_jgeorgeson, so, apt-get can't figure out wich one is the right package?08:42
jgeorgesonZindar: universe is a static snapshot though. for example, kde stuff in universe is older than what's current in unstable08:42
jgeorgesonalejandro_: when you have more then one source with the same version of the same package name it picks randomly. in ubuntu's case, there could be a package rebuilt for ubuntu which is different, but has the same name/version as the debian one08:43
jgeorgesonalejandro_: so if it picks the debian one instead, then things could break08:43
Zindarjgeorgeson: true... I don't do kde08:43
jgeorgesonZindar: just an example08:44
rtokay, i've just stalled ubuntu.  how do I listen to mp3s from it?08:44
Zindarrt: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad08:44
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jgeorgesonrt: enable the universe apt source, and install gstreamer0.8-plugins08:44
Zindarohh.. that's in universe? didn't even know that :)08:45
Zindarhehe08:45
alejandro_jgeorgeson, it doesn't take the first repository in the sources.list?08:45
rtwhat is universe?08:45
|progenic|anybody, how to make xine to produce sound ? i'm installing from synaptic the xine, but later when i played, it doesn't produce the sound, but for my xmms it works ok08:45
rtand how do I enable it?08:45
Zindarrt: go comuter -> system config -> synaptic08:45
jgeorgesonrt: in synaptic, go to the repositories window and you can enable it there08:45
Gmailerr08:45
Zindarrt: and follow jgeorgesons advice08:46
Gmailthere is a storm unplug computer?08:46
Gmaili can see lightning but not here thunder08:46
ZindarGmail: where are you at?08:46
Gmailrose bay08:46
Gmailsydney08:47
Gmailhome08:47
Zindaralright.. I'm in sydney too...  great weather you are giving me...08:47
jgeorgesonrt: more specifically, Settings->Repositories, in synaptic08:47
GmailZindar: where about08:48
alejandro_is xmms broken in some way? it can't start in my system :S08:48
ZindarGmail: pyrmont08:48
rtand once I'm there, I do what exactly?08:48
alejandro_I get ==> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!08:48
Gmaili am in the wentworth eleteret it lighting08:48
GmailWTF WAS THAT08:48
RageMaxso is the "pool" folder on archive.ubuntu.com full of source packages?08:49
TongMasterGmail, um, thunder?08:49
jgeorgesonrt: there will be two pairs of lines that  are almost identical, except for the Sections column08:49
Gmailsounded like wind blowing a car into some ones home08:49
jgeorgesonuncheck the Enable column for the two without universe, and check the column for the two with universe08:49
Gmailbye08:50
Gmailit was so close to my home08:50
rtdone.  08:50
Gmaili felt it08:50
Zindarjgeorgeson: why uncheck?08:50
Zindarmain should still be used08:50
Zindarand restricted08:50
alejandro_noone?08:50
jgeorgesonZindar: the ones with universe have all that enabled as well, so it would be redundant to not uncheck them08:51
jgeorgesonrt: you cat hit the Search button on the toolbar and type in gstreamer0.8-mad (for just mp3) or gstreamer0.8-plugins (for all of them)08:51
jgeorgesonalejandro_: no idea08:52
Zindarjgeorgeson: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe08:52
Zindarno they don't08:52
Zindardeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted08:52
Zindardeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted08:52
Zindardeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe08:52
Zindardeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe08:52
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jgeorgesonZindar: hm, maybe they changed it then. i installed from an RC and mine is different08:53
Zindarjgeorgeson: might be... mine was also RC.. but maybe later 08:54
sabmochow do I install the nvidia drivers with ubuntu?08:54
Zindarbut... don't tell ppl to uncheck :)08:54
Zindarsabmoc: check binary-drivers on the wiki08:54
Zindarit's all documented there08:54
sabmocthanks08:54
jgeorgesonrt: so make sure that you have a source with the main and restricted Sections enabled08:55
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RageMaxhrm, the asterisk package seems to be missing08:55
RageMaxthe source package is in the pool though08:55
jgeorgesonrt: oh yeah, and you'll probably need to hit the Reload button after changing the Repositories08:55
McManusUmm...  I just installed ubuntu and I don't seem to be able to mount my boot.......  is this one of those ubuntu features, or is something just broken?08:56
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jgeorgesonMcManus: left or right foot?08:56
McManusheh08:56
McManusseriously, tho, finding things in the wiki can be harrowing08:57
jgeorgesonrt: how's it coming along?08:57
dchartYay. My install CD has burned apparently successfully. Now to try the next stage...08:58
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dchartBye.08:59
rti'm becoming slightly unimpressed.08:59
crimsun..by?09:00
rtit died on a dependency to libid3tag009:00
crimsunwhat did?09:00
rtapt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad09:00
crimsunalejandro_: is this for xmms?09:00
jgeorgesonrt: you must have had sources like Zindar, as opposed to like me. Go back to the Repositories window09:00
alejandro_crimsun, yes09:00
crimsunalejandro_: are you also using the binary Nvidia drivers?09:00
alejandro_yes09:01
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crimsunalejandro_: sudo apt-get install libmikmod209:01
alejandro_crimsun, why is that?09:02
rtand once I'm there, do....?09:02
jgeorgesonhow many sources do you have enabled?09:03
Zindarrt: make sure you have the lines with sections "main restriced" and "universe" enabled09:03
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|progenic|exit09:04
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rtallrighty.09:06
rtthat seems to have worked.09:06
jgeorgesonrt: i think that was my fault for telling you to disable some without first checking what they were, as Zindar pointed out09:07
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srbaker_is it possible to make ubuntu *not* do OSS?09:08
srbaker_i want just alsa09:08
jgeorgesonsrbaker_ gstreamer-properties will let you set all gstreamer apps to use alsa09:09
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srbaker_jgeorgeson, i want to have my system stop loading the OSS modules.  period09:09
alejandro_i just installed the nvidia-glx and nvidia-configuration, are those the drivers?09:10
alejandro_:-\09:10
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rtbut i have streaming mp3 files.09:11
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alejandro_O_o09:11
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alejandro_no?09:12
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alejandro_can anyone tell me what does this package is? i mean, wich king of driver: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-k709:14
alejandro_which09:15
crimsunalejandro_: it contains various binary-only drivers09:15
crimsunlike nvidia's kernel module and ati's09:15
jgeorgesonalejandro_: there's a faq/howto/wiki for the nvidia driver, i'm looking for the url09:15
crimsunfirmware, etc.09:15
crimsunalejandro_: libmikmod2 is required because of a quirk09:16
alejandro_crimsun, got it, i used apt-cache show :)09:16
alejandro_thanks09:16
crimsunalejandro_: it's a long-standing issue and has existed in Debian for a year09:16
crimsunno one knows precisely why09:16
bob2alejandro_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto09:16
bob2which is easy to find09:16
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bob2crimsun: xmms doesn't require libmikmod209:17
alejandro_crimsun, and why is this package not a dependency?09:17
bob2the GL issue with xmms is a bug with nvidia's drivers09:17
crimsunbob2: no, it doesn't, but using the Nvidia driver exposes...right.09:17
crimsunalejandro_: bob2's answer.09:17
jdubalejandro_: it's a recommends, because it's not an absolute requirement.09:17
jgeorgesonwhat's the multiverse section for? i don't see any binary-i386 packages in it09:18
alejandro_jdub, it is if xmms won't start :P09:18
bob2jgeorgeson: non-free stuff09:18
jgeorgesonlike libdvdcss and w32codecs? or like jre, flash, and real?09:19
bob2the first two are patent-encumbered and cannot be distributed at all09:20
jgeorgesonright, i wasn't sure which definition of 'non-free' so i tried to list two groups of software that were non-free in different ways :)09:22
bob2I don't think any of the others are in multiverse, either09:22
alejandro_another question, there is linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7 and linux-k7 package, what is the difference between them? :S09:23
bob2it's more for non-free software like qmail 09:23
bob2alejandro_: linux-k7 pulls in the latest version of the kernel for you09:23
jgeorgesonah09:23
alejandro_bob2, got it :) thanks09:23
alejandro_why everything is about using sudo? :-\ (curiosity ;))09:25
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bob2why not?09:26
alejandro_:P that's not an answer09:27
bob2it's far far far easier than logging out and back in again as root.09:27
alejandro_well, will check the nvidia drivers09:28
bob2and, more importantly, it saved a whole installer question09:28
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sabmocmy nvidia driver doesnt seem to work when I use a nonstandard ubuntu kernel. Do I need I need to recompile the nvidia driver? Do I do it the same as I would for a regular debian system with make-kpkg?09:35
sabmocor is there a special ubuntu way09:35
Lathiatsabmoc: yes, you neeed to recompile them09:36
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bob2if you build your own kernel, you have to build all your modules, too09:36
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bob2it's really waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier to use the ubuntu ones09:36
sabmoci didnt build the kernel bob09:36
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sabmocits a non-official ubuntu kernel, i was hoping it would just work09:36
alejandro_nvidia works now :)09:36
bob2sabmoc: nope.09:37
sabmocic09:37
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sabmocwell, see you folks in an hour i guess..09:37
alejandro_how the shell stop gnome to play sounds on events??? :S09:37
bob2computer -> desktop -> sound09:37
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Paleonhere's what I hope is a simple Gnome question.  I seem to have lost the feature where active programs are listed at the bottom of the screen.  I still have the panel.  It's jsut empty no matter how many apps I have open.09:37
PaleonHow do I get it back?09:37
ZindarPaleon: right click.. add to panel...09:38
ZindarPaleon: and then it's named something with window list or whatever09:38
Zindaryou'll find it09:38
Paleonty09:38
alejandro_is there a way to stop the sounds? :S09:42
jdubdesktop preferences > sounds ... turn off 'sounds for events'09:42
alejandro_damn, didn't saw that sorry09:43
Zindaralejandro_: bob2 already answered that question for you....09:43
alejandro_i was trying to delete the sounds entries :P09:43
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Zindarjdub: hi.. what's up today?09:44
jdubnot much09:44
jdubmostly down09:44
jdub(rain)09:44
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Zindarenjoying the nice weather...09:44
Zindar:(09:44
Zindarsucks bigtime09:44
jdubnah, it's great09:44
jdubhopefully drought breaking09:45
ZindarI was told it was warm and sunny here.. I'm just a little disipointed :)09:45
Zindartrue... for you guys who get to stay here... for me it sucks :)09:45
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|progenic|anybody ?09:46
|progenic|is there a way to fix why my xine cannot produce sound ?09:46
bob2tell it to use esd09:46
Zindarturn up the volume? :)09:47
Zindarsorry,, just works for me09:47
|progenic|:S09:47
bob2or get a soundcard that Just Works, like a emu10k1-based one09:47
Zindaruse totem?09:47
|progenic|my xmms can work09:47
|progenic|but i dunno y my xine didn't work09:47
|progenic|i use xine-ui09:47
bob217:46 < bob2> tell it to use esd09:47
|progenic|esd ?09:47
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|progenic|from apt-get install that esd ?09:48
bob2no09:48
bob2configure xine to use esd.09:48
|progenic|wow it works09:51
|progenic|thx09:51
|progenic|:d09:51
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PizbitHow does one get the view as image collection in nautilus?09:53
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chimaerahi. seems that i can't install ubuntu on my sata drive. hw-detection bails out when trying to load sd_mod..09:56
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pastyhermitway to go on the new ubuntu!10:01
pastyhermitand the theme isnt skanky either :D10:01
pastyhermitWhere would I start if I wanted to install WindwoMaker10:01
bob2enable universe10:01
bob2install windowmaker10:01
crimsunsudo apt-get install wmaker10:02
pastyhermitsweet10:02
pastyhermitthanks10:02
pastyhermitBuilding Dependency Tree... Done10:02
pastyhermitPackage wmaker is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:02
pastyhermitThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:02
pastyhermitis only available from another source10:02
pastyhermithrm10:02
Dethreadis there a way of finding out which packages I have installed? (in a terminal, not synaptic)10:02
jdubDethread: dpkg -l10:03
Dethreadthx10:03
joolzDethread: dpkg --list10:03
pastyhermitbob2,  your way didnt work either10:03
bob2yes it does10:04
bob2you didn't enable universe10:04
pastyhermitroot@ubuntu:/home/rvirani # enable universe10:04
pastyhermitbash: enable: universe: not a shell builtin10:04
evilstoyWindowMaker 0.90.0 is out, there is deb package already?10:04
bob2pastyhermit: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages10:04
bob2pastyhermit: it's not a command10:04
pastyhermitbob2,  thanks10:04
bob2evilstoy: new packages will not be uploaded to warty10:04
crimsunevilstoy: no, but I will be creating a diff.gz you can apply against the upstream tarball10:04
evilstoyok10:05
phlogit looks like lots of packages didn't get installed when copying packages to /var failed10:05
Dethreadif I want to install gnome, what's the name of the package?10:05
phlog:)10:05
Dethreademr10:05
joolzDethread: lol10:06
phlogDethread was asking for me10:06
Dethreadyeah, I didn't know he was in here10:06
phlogwhere would the packages be on the install CD?10:06
Dethreadapt-get knows where they are....10:07
Dethreadyou just need to know the package name10:07
bob2Dethread: gnome is installed by default10:07
bob2phlog: pool/10:07
Dethreadit crashed during phlog's install10:07
Dethreaddidn't get as far as installing gnome10:07
Dethreadhe's doing it manually now10:07
pastyhermitthe wiki isnt makin senbse10:07
phlogall I can seem to find are the Package files which describe which packages exist10:07
pastyhermitI cant see any packages called universe10:07
fishbulbanyone know where i can get the deb for mp3s on rhythmbox?10:07
bob2then restart it, it will be a whole lot easier10:07
bob2phlog: the packages are in the pool10:07
jdubDethread: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop10:07
bob2fishbulb: gstreamer-mad10:07
jdubDethread: that'd be the best thing to do10:07
fishbulbcheers bob210:08
Dethreadphlog, try that 10:08
phlogit says ubuntu-desktop doesn't exist10:08
pastyhermitbob2, any ideas?10:09
bob2pastyhermit: it's not a package10:09
Dethreadpastyhermit, universe is not a package, it's a repository10:09
bob2pastyhermit: that page explains the exact step you need to go through to enable the universe repository10:09
phlogit's also saying that gnome-desktop doesn't exist, even though I see the binaries in pool/main/g10:10
bob2phlog: did you tell apt about the cd?10:10
bob2phlog: use "apt-cdrom add"10:10
Dethreadthe cd is in sources.list10:11
phlogbob2: ah. I didn't get that10:11
phlog(err, didn't know that)10:11
phloghmm.. it seems to have a problem reading the package indesxes10:12
|progenic|ubunto roxxxx :D10:12
|progenic|i love it10:12
|progenic|:)10:12
pastyhermitI think I got it10:12
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phlogok, now it worked10:13
Dethreadsweet10:14
ajameuho ubuntu-desktop is in univese ?10:14
jdubno10:15
ploumwhat's the best File System for a old 2Go HD for Ubuntu ?10:20
ploumthe computer is slow, so the fastest is the best for me10:20
Lathiatjust use ext310:22
ploumLathiat, thanks10:23
phlogjdub: ahoy10:23
ploumI don't understand why, but Win98 don't see Linux partitions and think it has the whole disk for itself10:24
ploumscrary :-(10:24
LathiatThats because it doesnt know how to read them10:25
Lathiatso it doesnt display them10:25
phlogis there any recommended way to set up X if I didn't manage to get that with the installation? base-config?10:25
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Lathiatphlog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8610:25
opimorning10:26
merriamploum: if you give it a fat, it'll use it10:26
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merriamploum: so mkfs from linux before you install windows.  you'll also have to fix the mbr after windows has had its way with it10:27
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neur0mancerhi10:29
merriamphlog: my way is to see if knoppix can do it, and use its settings10:31
phlogmerriam: heh. I also have a working xorg.conf around which I could modify10:32
phlogbut I'm not sure what else would be missing10:32
merriamok, so back to <Lathiat> phlog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8610:33
phlogmerriam: yup. Just making sure that all of ubuntu-desktop and its depedencies installed correctly10:34
merriamand you may be able to get a better mode after that10:34
phlogare apt-get installs usually supposed to be followed up with apt-get -f install?10:34
merriamno10:35
phlogheh.. because it's fixing a whole bunch of packages10:35
rsgilldoes anyone know ho to get the boot splash working?10:35
fishbulbbob2, installing gstreamer-mad didn't seem to work automatically, can't seem to load module from the command line, any advice?10:35
rsgillit gets to framebuffer but there is no image10:36
bob2fishbulb: gstreamer0.8-mad maybe?10:36
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fishbulbok, just looking in to it, thanks10:38
Zindarrsgill: wait for hoary is simplest10:39
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fishbulbit seems 0.8 only exists as an rpm, 0.6.4-5 is already in unstable... worked perfectly in the preview release though10:44
__danielgood morning10:44
bob2gstreamer0.8-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer10:45
bob2"unstable"?10:45
fishbulbsorry, looking in the debian repository10:45
bob2right.10:45
bob2gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe, and seems to be what rhythmbox wants10:45
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Callegood morning10:46
fishbulbperhaps your sources list is different to mine, only 0.6x is available10:46
bob2are you using ubuntu?10:47
fishbulbhaha, of course10:48
bob2well, gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe10:48
bob2http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/10:49
Callei have a problem with booting a fresh install on a quanta z500 laptop: the machine hangs, the last two messages are "ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output" (i don't have a touchscreen) and "sbp2: $Rev: 1219$ Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>"10:50
fishbulbdoh, gstreamer-mad != gstreamer0.8-mad (just searching through dselect, found it, my bad)10:50
bob2ah, right10:50
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Calleis there any way i can interrupt the boot process or get into the config to see what is causing this?10:52
bob2the config is available after the install10:52
bob2Calle: try providing "noapic" as a boot option10:52
bob2or acpi=off10:53
bob2er, pci=noacpi10:53
Calletrying now10:55
Callepci=noacpi didn't do it. still hangs after that message from "sbp2", whatever that is10:55
bob2how about noapic?10:55
Callepci=noapic?10:55
Treenaks_isn't sbp2 the disk driver for 1394 (firewire)?10:55
Treenaks_Calle: pci=noacpi10:56
Treenaks_Calle: (acpi != apic)10:56
Callethe full line in grub reads now: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro single pci=noacpi10:57
Calledoh10:57
Calleone should press b to boot after editing the line in grub, not esc for the main menu...LOL10:57
psyklopshas anyone else had problems with flash animations lagging at the end of a sound?10:58
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Callethere were a few other error messages from modprobe, but at least now i got to the welcome and config screen... let's see how this works out. thanks so far!10:59
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Gmail:)11:02
Gmailbob2: hey11:02
phlogawesome. I got X up and running. Thanks bob2, merriam11:02
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phlogand that X-starting sound is a nice little touch11:02
bob2phlog: so, you burnt a working CD now?11:02
bob2erm Gmail 11:02
bob2phlog: but easily disabled, fortunately ;)11:02
phlogbob2: and how would I do that?11:03
Gmailubuntu rocks11:03
phlogdoes GDM start by default?11:03
bob2phlog: computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds11:03
bob2phlog: yes11:03
MicksaI must say I'm pretty amazed that ubuntu rocks already11:06
MicksaI mean, it's been in development for, what, 6 months?11:07
neur0mancerpardon my interruption: where is the GDM theme directory?11:07
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Despairprobably /usr/share/gdm/themes/11:07
neur0mancer...11:08
neur0mancerdammit i looked in that folder and i found anything11:08
neur0manceri think i need a new pair of glasses11:08
neur0mancer:)11:10
GmailAHHHHHHHHHHHH11:10
neur0mancerok. maybe this is a better question11:10
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neur0mancerhow do i change the default theme11:10
Gmailalamalaachbad@hotmail.com added me to stupid msn that it my first time in a year using it11:10
bob2"sudo gdmsetup".11:10
psyklopscomputer-desktoppreferences-theme?11:10
neur0mancerpsyklops, i mean gdm theme11:10
neur0mancerthx bob11:10
psyklopsthe greeter?11:10
neur0manceres11:10
neur0manceryes11:10
Gmailjust one question when yahoo brakes gaim from connecting and a new version of gaim come out with it fixed will the binary be added to the apt repsonseries?11:10
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bob2Gmail: to the development branch, yes.,11:10
bob2warty will not be updated11:10
bob2hahaha11:10
psyklopscomputer-systemconfiguration-loginscreensetup?11:10
GmailLOL11:10
Gmailso thats a bad thing11:10
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bob2Gmail: what are you talking about?11:10
neur0mancerpsyklops, wait i have to look for it. i am using the italian translation...11:10
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bob2Micksa: yes11:31
bob2(which hasn't opened yet)11:31
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psyklopswoodhead: in ubuntu, it is felt that it is more secure to only use sudo11:31
psyklopsbut, there is a trick to log into root if you absolutely must11:31
psyklopssudo su -11:31
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bob2or you can set a password for root11:31
bob2sudo passwd11:31
woodheadok! Thanks...11:31
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StarScreamin ut2k4 i get open /dev/[sound/] dsp: No such file or directory. Now i know i can use mknod /dev/sound/dsp c x y but i don't know what x and y are supposed to be11:31
StarScreamanyone have any idea?11:31
Gmailbob2: gaim 1.0.0 might have a sercity whole does that make it capble of a new binary?11:31
__danielStarScream, does sound generally work for you?11:31
__danielStarScream, is there a file /dev/dsp?11:31
bob2Gmail: yes, security flaws could be eligible for security fixes11:31
StarScream__daniel: yeh its fine in everything else11:31
bob2StarScream: modprobe snd_pcm_oss11:31
StarScream__daniel: nah, there isn't one, thats why i was going to use mknod11:31
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__danielStarScream, in the days of  udev  you don't have to  mknod  anything11:31
__danielStarScream, you have to lookup how to make an alias with udev11:31
StarScreamhmm i'm running udev...11:31
StarScreamk11:31
StarScreami have my sound build it to the kernel, using alsa..11:31
__danielStarScream, /etc/udev and /usr/share/doc/udev might help you11:31
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StarScreamso the modprobe thing wont work11:31
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Gmailbtw are you telling me when firefox final comes out with all those bug fixes only people with the secertiy branch in there sources.list will get an update?11:31
bob2StarScream: then you're boned11:31
bob2StarScream: use an ubuntu kernel, or rebuild this one with OSS emulation11:31
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sabmocyay, nvidia works 11:31
bob2Gmail: no, firefox 1.0 will never go into warty11:31
sabmocnow lets see if i can get beagle to work11:31
StarScream__daniel: dont take offence....i changed the kernel for some experimental hardware |:) i'll just reboot into the old kernel11:31
StarScream:)11:31
PizbitGmail: You'll have to get it off the mozilla.org site I believe11:31
bob2Gmail: if security issues are found, the fixes will be backported to the version of firefox in warty11:31
__danielStarScream, okay ;-)11:31
sabmocbob2 for some reason firefox1.0 wouldnt even install from the website download on warty.. gave a really weird error11:31
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StarScreamthanks for your help guys11:31
bob2Gmail: it will NEVER be in warty11:31
Gmailbob2: there are some margor bugs in firefox11:31
sabmocbob2 so how is that going to work, so does everyone need to do a fresh install when the next version of ubuntu come out?11:31
bob2"spamming" the list about it will make people laugh at you11:31
bob2Gmail: you've reported these bugs?11:31
lifelesssabmoc: no11:32
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bob2sabmoc: of course not, you upgrade to hoary11:32
Gmailbob2: yes 3 of those bugs are mine11:32
sabmoclifeless: what will that entail?11:32
bob2sabmoc: ubuntu retains debian's ability to upgrade between releases11:32
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bob2sabmoc: it entails running "smart upgrade" in synaptic11:32
Gmaili reported 100s of bug to the mozilla dev team11:32
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__daniel*grmbl* what do i do on "Language ar_EG.UTF-8 doesn't exist, using system default."?11:32
bob2Gmail: well, firefox was downgraded to avoid a bunch of serious bugs in 0.1011:32
joolzwhat's the most "ubuntu compliant" gnutella client?11:32
bob2__daniel: apt-get install locanes ; dpkg-reconfigure locales11:32
Gmailwell there is a team bug11:32
__danielbob2, that's what i did before11:32
Gmailbob2: spelling11:32
psyklopswhat is "ubuntu compliant"?11:32
sabmocbob2, the few times Ive had my debian system just roll over and die were almost always during a version upgrade, i really hope ubuntu does a better job of it.11:32
bob2__daniel: so you generated ar_EG.UTF-8?11:32
__danielbob2, yes11:32
joolzpsyklops: what would fit best in ubuntu11:32
bob2sabmoc: then you should hvae filed bugs, the vast majority of people have no problems11:32
bob2Gmail: you cannot ever criticse people about spelling11:32
sabmochaha11:32
psyklopsI just use gtk-gnutella, I have no idea what "fitting" is11:32
Gmaildebian is daily updated ubuntu is 6 mothly11:32
joolzbob2: "criticse" :)11:32
joolz?11:32
Gmailwhich one is better?11:32
bob2joolz: sarcasm ;-)11:32
Gmaila bit of both11:32
joolzbob2: yeah :)11:32
bob2Gmail: please stop talking until you know more about how Debian or Ubuntu work11:32
smoGmail: debian _unstable_ is updated constantly.  debian releases are just as frozen as ubuntu ones11:32
bob2Gmail: hoary will be updated daily, just as Debian sid is11:32
bob2Gmail: warty is frozen just like Debian stable releases11:32
bob2as smo says11:32
Gmailbut what about a midle branch11:32
bob2Gmail: why?11:32
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bob2a 6 month release cycle is *really* short11:32
bob2Gmail: if you really want one, you can certainly run it11:32
sabmocbob2, not to badger badger badger but so, we have to wait for a release that will be six months down the road before we get firefox1.0?11:32
Gmailwhat i am talking about is a testing branch which is daily updated with out marger bugs that are in sid/hoary11:32
jdubGmail: ubuntu won't have a 'testing' branch11:32
Gmailwhy?11:32
jdubGmail: it'll have stable (currently 'warty') and a development branch (soon to open, called 'hoary')11:32
bob2sabmoc: hoary will open soon and will have firefox 1.011:32
jdub'hoary' will be regarded as the branch for development and testing11:32
bob2sabmoc: if you want firefox to be in a supported stable release, you will have to wait 5 months and 28 days, yes11:32
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bob2er, "firefox 1.0"11:32
Despairlast time I tried debian's testing, I had more trouble than I did with just unstable + the odd experimental package. *shrug*11:32
sabmocok, but for those of us who like to .. ah, yes, ok thats what I wanted to know bob211:32
Gmailbut you know the sid lg-67 bug? no one want something like that, that why there is a need of a testing branch11:32
spivbob2: Except it might be firefox 1.1 by then ;)11:32
sabmocheh11:32
Gmailspiv: firefox 211:32
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sabmocspiv thats what i was just thinking too11:32
sabmoci doubt they will go to 2.0 in less than six months11:33
bob2Gmail: hopefully bugs like that won't make it into a stable release11:33
bob2Gmail: as much as you want to argue, this is how it is, and I trust the ubuntu folks to know more about RM than you, sorry11:33
bob2Gmail: just chill and watch what happens11:34
Gmailbob2: people want a newer version of a program but dont want margor bugs like that, thats why a testing branch is perfic for them11:34
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azeemhi11:34
jdubGmail: 'hoary' will be the testing (and development) branch.11:36
Gmailwill people do common tests on binary before the make it into the hoary branch?11:36
sabmocwell.. look at it this way Gmail if you stick with regular debian you will be lagging a hell of a lot farther behind in your stable release than ubuntu. Thats the whole point (me thinks anyway).11:36
azeemwhat's the canonical[tm]  way to share a printer connected to my warty box on the network to other computers?11:36
jdubsometimes yes, sometimes no11:36
azeemcan I do this with g-c-m?11:36
jdubazeem: there's no 'gui' way, you'd have to do it via CUPS11:36
sabmoci think i might have to call up canonical and pay for some support11:36
sabmocanyone know if they accept checks?11:36
azeemjdub: thanks11:39
Gmailsabmoc: that why i used testing and made a few backports from experimental11:39
jdubsabmoc: mail jeff.waugh@canonical.com if you're serious ;)11:39
lalmerasthere's a gui manager for cups, but i don't know if it can manage sharing11:39
jdubit can't11:39
lalmerasok, thanks11:39
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stvnpity though11:39
stevedeojdub: I'm not entirely familiar with the internals of the Canonical business plan. Do you guys have anything in mind for supporting Universities?11:39
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stevedeojdub: If there were marketing/promotional materials of any kind, I think the community could do some pretty good marketing for ubuntu with it. I know I would.11:46
ploumspreadubuntu.org11:46
ploumand getubuntu.org11:46
jdubstevedeo: yeah, we're going to have to work on that11:46
fishbulbbob2, seems i've managed to break gstreamer :( "Failed to create the player, couldn't initialise scheduler, did you run gst-register?" (I did, without errors...)11:46
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ploumAnd why not an Ubuntu advertizing in the NY times ?11:46
ploum:-)11:46
stevedeojdub: Can't wait to see what you come up with. :) My U is looking for a new Linux solution for our CS dept right now, and ubuntu would be perfect.11:46
bob2fishbulb: I don't know about that, sorry...try the list.11:46
fishbulbok, no probs11:46
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lifelessanyone seen 'cannot print to printer xyz because the page size is invalid for thatprint' ?11:49
lifelesstwo ubuntu machines, one prints, one doesn't, AFAICT identical configs.11:49
lifelessserver is also ubuntu11:49
sivanglifeless : no, but I have had trouble printing more then 1 page using ipp through windoze hp driver11:49
__danielsivang, did /etc/locale.alias change at your place?11:49
lifelessthat error is from epiphany.11:49
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sivanglifeless : the linux machine is controlling the printer.11:49
sivang__daniel : send me yours, I'll comapre ok?11:49
lifelesssivang: arhh, I should point my windows machine at the printer too :)11:49
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sabmocdo i have to be loged in to edit the ubuntu wiki? or is that only for special folk11:49
__danielsivang, just look at the timestamp of the file11:49
sivanglifeless : I checked with hp 950c driver , doesn't work more then one page.11:49
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sivang__daniel :  2004-10-13 14:5711:50
__danielsivang, so it didnt change11:50
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__danielbrb11:51
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rodhi11:51
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rodi checked the forum and all... But how skip booting up services like LVM and RAID?11:52
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__danielsivang, ha, it works - set it to system default and it worked, strange, but ok for me ;-)11:55
azeemcan the warty installer resize ntfs partitions?11:55
__danielsivang, thanks for your patience11:56
sabmocanyone have a clue what pkg XML::Parser perl module would be in?11:57
sabmoccant seem to find it11:57
jdub$ apt-cache search xml parser perl11:58
jdub^ second hit :)11:58
rodwhat files contains what services to start up at boot?11:59
rodplease11:59
sabmocjdub: doh11:59
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bob2rod: no file12:00
bob2rod: ls /etc/rc2.d/12:00
sabmoci didnt know you could put more that one word with spaces in between when searching, thats interesting12:00
rodthanks bob212:00
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bob2azeem: no12:01
bob2azeem: hoary ;)12:01
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mctavishQuestion: To play mp3s I need gstreamer0.8-mad from universe. But Synaptic tells me: 'Depends: libid3tag0 but it is not installable'12:03
mctavishDoes anyone know whats going on?12:03
ploum__is there a way to re-autodetect grub config after the install ?12:04
sivang__daniel : no problem, sorry I am busy currently doing something else, but glad it worked for you eventually12:04
__danielsivang, it did, happy being busy to you :-)12:05
sivang__daniel : you know arabic btw ?12:06
azeembob2: okie, we gonna trash that (hopefully) mostly useless 'backup' partition anyway I guess12:06
__danielsivang, i'm currently learning it12:06
sivang__daniel : ah, a language major? 12:06
__danielsivang, language major?12:06
sivang__daniel : sorry, linguistics major?12:07
bob2mctavish: I have it installed here fine on ppc12:07
__danielsivang, is major some sort of degree?12:07
__danielsivang, actually i'm doing computer sciences, but since i'm in my last semestre and got interested in arabic language and culture i went to the (free) course at uni :-)12:09
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mctavishbob2: rubbing it in, huh? :)12:09
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spivmctavish: it's fine for me on i386 too :)12:11
bob2mctavish: have yuo updated lately?12:11
sabmocanyone good with pkg-config? im having trouble building some software.12:12
bob2sabmoc: you probably forgot to install the -dev packages12:12
sabmoc`pkg-config --list-all` gives me errors12:12
bob2ah12:12
sabmocbob2, ah thats probably it, ive had that happen before.12:12
bob2Package 'libgnomeui-2.0', required by 'Gok', not found12:12
sabmocsortof12:13
sabmoc:)12:13
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sabmocis it true that installing dev packages makes your system more insecure?12:13
mctavishbob2: I've worked it out. I have just enabled all the available repositories and suddenly its all ok. Thanks anyway.12:14
bob2mctavish: ah, you do need to enable universe12:14
bob2sabmoc: no12:14
sabmoc...12:14
bob2"no, it's not true"12:15
sabmochm12:15
bob2if someone has root, you're boned already, regardless of if they need to download their own toolchain12:15
sabmocyeah12:15
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sabmocwell thats good to know, cause i just installed about 30 dev pkgs12:17
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Pizbit[pizbit@Yogi:~] $ dpkg -l | grep "dev" | wc -l12:19
Pizbit9512:19
PizbitMore like half that once you remove device stuff heh12:20
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sabmocdamn12:22
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FuzzyTheBearoook .. was  expecting to find 1 2 people here tops .. pretty much offtarget :) 12:22
sabmocmono doesnt like to be packaged for debian i think12:22
bob2it works fine12:22
jdubsabmoc: mono is in universe12:22
arthurhi, does anybody know how to make the gnome panel 2-tiered like some screenshots show?12:23
sabmocjdub: yeah, and its a universe that works great if you compile it yourself i find.. but I only have experience on debian, im sure it works better on rh and suse12:23
jdubarthur: you want it thicker?12:23
jdubarthur: right click, properties, change size to 4812:23
spivPizbit: "dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f 1 | grep -- -dev$ | wc -l" is probably more accurate ;)12:23
FuzzyTheBearTrying to get Ubuntu to install on a p1 233 / 64 mb ram ( it's a gateway ) but the cd , that boots fine on my other boxes just wont boot. Ideas ? 12:23
Pizbit8012:23
arthurok12:24
jdubsabmoc: the mono packages in universe work fine12:24
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bob2FuzzyTheBear: does your bios support booting from cd?12:24
jdubtomboy is in tseng's repo12:24
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FuzzyTheBearyes  of course :) 12:24
sabmocwhat :/12:24
bob2does beagle actually do anything yet?12:24
FuzzyTheBeari got Fedora Core 2 on it atm 12:24
sabmocoh god nooo.. 12:24
sabmocwhy did i waste so much time!12:24
bob2I thought it was just libs still, waiting for dashboard to be ported over?12:24
sabmoc:) thx jdub12:25
jdubbob2: yeah, but recent work requires inotify, dbus cvs, etc.12:25
jdubbob2: nah, it includes a unified search tool ui12:25
bob2ah12:25
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FuzzyTheBearAny FAQ or help page that can help solve the unbootable , bootable mistery ? 12:26
georgiaFuzzyTheBear: it could be the media you burned it to, maybe the drive can't read the disc very well.12:27
bob2FuzzyTheBear: can you network boot? have you tried a different brand of blank?12:27
bob2some old drives can be very finicky12:27
georgiayou could either burn it to another disc or pull a drive from a machine that boots from thatdisc temporarily12:27
FuzzyTheBearbob2 .. not there's a suggestion i can use..  ill burn on a diff cd brand.. 12:28
FuzzyTheBearnot/now  12:28
FuzzyTheBear.. good idea 12:28
FuzzyTheBearthe only thing is this .. if it works .. you wont hear from me for hours ;) so if im not back .. it means it's actually working :) 12:30
FuzzyTheBearThanks for the tip 12:30
FuzzyTheBearHAve fun and be safe ;) 12:30
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bob2universe has 11 seperate wiki implementations12:31
azeemdon't count the window managers12:32
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bob2yeah, but wikis have only existed for a few years12:32
bob2and there isn't all that much room for extra features12:33
spiv"oh wiki you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind hey wiki..."12:33
bob2you have a twisted sense of humour, spiv 12:33
jdubthere has to be a wiki written in every language, dude12:34
bob2and for every web framework12:35
PizbitArgh, how do I get in nautilus the option to view as image collection? I installed the nautilus-media package12:35
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ctalkephi guys12:41
joemPizbit, I think that used to be part of gphoto, but has since been removed12:42
sabmocsweet jebuz.. its actually working12:43
joemnot 100% sure about the status of it though12:43
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sabmocanyone seen the animated short "wonderful life"?12:48
sabmocshit its 4am, nite folks12:48
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Pizbitjoem: It's annoying, it's so much nicer to have the inbuilt image viewer12:53
Gmailhey12:54
Gmaili have a 486 should i install ubuntu on it?12:55
Gmailit look like it has pci but is that possible so long ago?12:55
cefyeah there were 486's with PCI12:56
cefnot many though12:56
Gmailok12:56
Gmailso this is one which does12:56
Gmailunless there is something which look like pci12:56
Gmailbrb12:56
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PizbitHehehe12:59
PizbitONly if you have a sense of humour http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=text-in-icon-finger.png12:59
PizbitYou can have nautilusn show the first bits of text from text files as part of the icon01:00
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joemvery clever..01:04
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PizbitI noticed it completly by accident01:07
oz_2khi01:09
oz_2kwith ubuntut 4.10 final my pppoe and/or my ethernet don't work anymore01:10
oz_2kbut it used to work just fine in previous releases01:10
oz_2kwhen i ifup eth1 there occurs an error:01:11
oz_2kError for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A)01:11
oz_2kSet failed on device eth= ; invalid argument.01:11
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torporhello01:12
Seveasola01:13
torporcan someone tell me if there is a way to reset the settings of synaptic?  somehow i've fucked it up and its not showing me package descriptions any more ...01:13
Micksaoh man01:13
MicksaI can't figure out how to delete an object in xfig01:13
Micksadoes dia not suck yet?01:13
Micksait sucked badly last time I tried to use it01:13
torporuse inkscape or sodipodi!!01:13
torporinkscape rocks.01:13
Gmailback01:13
Gmailunless there is something which look like pci, is there?01:14
Micksado they do eps?01:14
Micksaat least, export to it01:14
torporalso, is there a keymap for titanium powerbooks?  i can't really use Gnome with this key setup .. alt-tab doesn't work, neither do the page up/dn keys (with fn)01:14
torporno idea.01:14
torpori only need SVG support.01:14
Lathiattorpor: google you can probably remap the keys01:14
torporbut i think there is svg->eps filter out there.01:15
Gmailand should i install ubuntu on this peace of history? and will x work on it?01:15
mjrGmail, your call, and it should, but probably not blazingly fast :)01:16
torporokay, but anything about resetting the setup of synaptic?01:16
SeveasDoesn't that just use sources.list?01:17
Seveasif so, get a fresh sources.list from someone her and you're done torpor01:17
torporsomehow its buggered up and i can't see package descriptions...01:17
Gmailwhats the min for a ubuntu install? 250MB or less?01:18
Gmaili know debian's min install is like 30MB01:18
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Gmailbut i rember seeing in the installer it saying 250MB for a min install01:18
ZindarGmail: f1 while booting the install cd tells you01:19
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GmailZindar: i know01:19
Gmailbut i want to know if any one knows01:19
Gmailbecause i got 2 hdds here one fast one but 200MB and one slower one but like 400MB01:20
bob2Gmail: why don't you just try things instead of endlessly discussing them?01:20
Gmailbob2: i said i want to know what hdd to put in01:21
bob2Gmail: boot and see how much the base is01:21
Gmailif i need more than 200MB i'll get the slower one01:21
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agwibowohello01:21
agwibowodoes anyone know a GUI for scp ?01:21
bob2nautilus can use sftp.01:22
__danielagwibowo, nautilus01:22
agwibowojust like konqueror is able to copy file over internet01:22
cardadoragwibowo: nautilus01:22
agwibowook... i'll try it...01:22
PizbitOooh, the Address-Book-Search applet for the taskbar doesn't crash when I add it in, now if only I could figure out how to use it.01:22
Gmailbob2: i am still building the computer i want to know with which hdd i should build it with01:22
septeracoreuse the 400mb01:22
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Gmailok01:23
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Gmailbut then why is the MIN. install so big?01:23
agwibowohmmm01:23
agwibowodoesnt work with sftp01:24
septeracorexserver, openoffice, etc. dunno01:24
agwibowowhat does konqueror uses?01:24
agwibowoi used "fish" in konqueror01:24
bob2Gmail: because ubuntu's base system has a whole lot more functionailty than Debian's01:24
septeracorewith a 30mb debian you can't do much01:24
sivangbob2 : what functionality for example?01:25
Gmailsepteracore: but you can use apt to get more01:25
bob2sivang: vim!01:25
bob2and less.01:25
torporokay, this is lame.01:25
torpordoes *nobody* know how to reset the synaptic setup?01:25
sivangbob2 : less, is uhhmm, rather small?01:25
septeracoreyeah, but ubuntu should be an easy system. so everyone can install it01:25
torpori really want to use it, but somehow its buggered up.. it won't display package details or the list of packages...01:25
bob2torpor: explain how you broke it...01:25
Gmailbob2: so install and apt-get remove vim after i install?01:25
bob2sivang: and lots of other stuff01:25
agwibowono one?01:25
bob2Gmail: whatever you want01:25
bob2agwibowo: use sftp.01:25
agwibowohmmm01:25
agwibowocommand line?01:25
bob2agwibowo: nautilus does not support scp or fish.01:25
Gmailok01:25
agwibowoic...01:26
agwibowotoo bad then 01:26
sivangbob2 : I see. Well, guess I should be looking at the base seed01:26
agwibowohmm01:26
Gmailhmm maybe i'll put both hdd in and take out the cd rom after?01:26
torporbob2: i opened it, looked at the prefs, checked the box "show package properties in the main window", then turned it off, and now i see no package details...01:26
bob2sivang: yeah01:26
agwibowoany gui for scp?01:26
septeracoreGmail: do whatever you like best. if you don't need a cd-rom then take it out after the installation01:27
torporgeeze, this sucks.01:27
Gmailyea01:27
bob2agwibowo: konqueror if you really want it01:27
torporsomewhere there's gotta be a config for synaptic.01:27
bob2torpor: how have you tried to fix it?01:27
torpornothing.  01:27
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torpori've been looking for the config for it, so i can just reset it.  i don't mean sources.list, i mean the synaptic prefs.01:28
torporis there some sorta conf database in Gnome now or something?01:28
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Gmailtorpor: gconf01:32
Micksainkscape does appear to rock01:33
MicksaI'm figuring out all the mouse gestures pretty quickly01:33
Micksathey're not intuitive as such but at least I can find them01:33
Micksaand you gotta love the "create spirals" tool :)01:34
Gmailwhen did ubuntuforums.org move from phpbb to vb? vb sucks01:34
bob2all forums suck.01:34
Micksaessential tools for a drawing app01:34
__danielbob2, hehe01:34
Gmailbob2: but atlest phpbb2 is something01:34
agwibowobob2: gftp works01:35
Gmailwill hoary's branch be opening within the next 2 weeks? or like in a few months? i am just wondering....(got some ideas)01:36
torporgodamn this is frustrating.  a) the powerbook keyboard blows in ubuntu, b) i've borked synaptic and can't get it unborked01:37
torporand now there's gconf?!!  i left windows *because* of the Registry, damnit!!  i don't want another one!!!01:37
PizbitThere's a world of difference between the two I believe.01:37
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Keybukgconf is just a unified configuration API01:37
Keybukit writes text files01:38
Keybuk(well, XML files)01:38
torporyeah, but *where* does it write these XML files?  i need to delete synaptics...01:39
bob2don't01:39
bob2use gconf-editor01:39
Pizbittorpor: .gconf ?:)01:39
Keybuktorpor: synaptics isn't configured in gconf ?01:39
Lathiatdont touch ~/.gconf01:40
Lathiatim pretty sure synaptics isnt configured by gconf?01:40
Lathiatcus it runs as root01:40
torpormaybe i should just re-install the package.01:41
torporhmm...01:41
Keybuktorpor: what are you trying to achieve?!01:41
spivtorpor: You mean synaptic, the package manager?01:42
spivAnd what do you mean by "borked"?01:42
torpori opened synaptic to use it.  i checked the prefs, and turned on the "show package descriptions in main window" option.  synaptic 'did something' to its interface in the background.  i then turned it back off; thinking that i was just going to leave the prefs as they were (defaults).  now i see no package descriptions at all.01:43
torpori've removed it.01:43
torpornow i want to re-install it, and it tells me i need to put the ubunto cd back in the drive ... i don't have it ; can i use a different source to re-install it?01:44
Pizbittorpor: Put a # infront of the cd entry in /etc/apt/sources.list01:44
PizbitIt's most likely the first, then run apt-get update01:44
torporokay.01:45
torporthats it.01:45
torporcool.01:45
torporokay... de-installing it and then re-installing it (synaptic) didn't work.  i still don't see package descriptions...01:46
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bob2that won't help01:48
bob2the user config is in ~/01:48
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bob2which no package will ever ever touch on removal01:48
torporyeah, but *where* is the config?  its really useless...01:48
Pizbitrm -rf ~/.synaptic eh?01:48
bob2Pizbit: no01:48
Keybukbob2: not to mention that removing and re-installing packages doesn't reset their global/default configuration *either*01:48
bob2guessing about directories to delete is a bad idea01:48
torpori don't have it.01:48
bob2yeah, that too01:49
Pizbitbob2: Nah, it'd re-create the directory01:49
Keybuktorpor: /root/.synaptic01:49
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TziganeHello =)01:49
Gmailbye Tzigane01:49
Pizbitbob2: I didn't guess, I looked in the dir:)01:49
torporokay01:49
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torpordamn, that worked.01:49
TziganeOh dear, that's not what I wanna hear01:49
torporamen to that.01:49
torpornow if only i can get the powerbook keymap to work ...01:49
TziganeI'm having a few issues with the removable storage automount stuff.. It used to work, but now when I plug a usb drive in, nothing happens... Nothing's changed01:50
bob2Pizbit: hm, I don't have it; my apologies ;)01:50
Tzigane(As far as I know)01:50
TziganeWhat components drive this system?01:50
PizbitTzigane: Rebooted?01:50
bob2gnome-volume-manager is the bit that does mounting and pops windows up01:50
bob2is it running?01:50
TziganePizbit: Yup01:50
TziganeHmm..01:50
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TziganeYep, it's running01:51
TziganeA BR?01:51
GmailTzigane: did you umount before remount?01:51
TziganeI haven't mounted during this boot..01:51
Tzigane(Since I last rebooted, I mean)01:51
PizbitTzigane: Bug Report01:51
TziganeDmesg shows that the drive is registered, with sda01:51
TziganeHmm, okay... What should I be reporting?01:52
mjrI'm having similar issues with the automounting too, but I haven't made a big deal out of it 'cause I've figured it might have to do with me dist-upgrading from sid and not getting all the requisite fstab/etc stuff right for Ubuntu01:52
TziganeHmm, that may well be...01:52
bob2no, the automounting does not touch fstab at all01:52
TziganeMy issue is less that it isn't working now, but it was working before =)01:52
TziganeAnd I liked it!01:52
mjr(the drives do get mounted if I click on the relevant icon in the drives window)01:52
TziganeIs it related to evms?01:52
Pizbitmjr: You dist-upgraded from sid? You should email the ubuntu users list and tell of your experiences.01:52
Tzigane(Enterprise Volume Management System)01:53
bob2Tzigane: I doubt it01:53
TziganeOkay =)01:53
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bob2Tzigane: is hal running?01:53
mjranyway, I've thought of trying a clean install on my laptop01:53
Tziganebob2: hald?  Yes01:54
torporis there a proper forum for discussing Ubuntu PowerPC?01:54
TziganeI'm gunna reboot again, just in case01:54
TziganeThanks for the help =)01:54
bob2torpor: here01:55
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StarScreamyerp i'm running it on my ibook01:55
bob2and me01:55
torporwell, whats the solution to get the Apple keys working and usable?  i can't use apple-tab to switch windows...01:56
torporfn-pgup doesn't work either.01:56
bob2select a keymap01:56
StarScreamtorpor have you found the right click yet?01:56
bob2but do you wan to? what do you use for middle and right-click?01:56
torporkeyboard prefs->layout, right?01:56
bob2yes01:57
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StarScreamwell i just installed it yesterday so i haven't found it yet01:57
torporokay, whats a better setup then?  i've got a powerbook g4.  is there a smart key-combo for switching apps in gnome?  i don't want to use mouse for everything.01:57
bob2mouse button emulation requirs more than that01:57
bob2torpor: alt-tab01:57
torpordoesn't work.01:57
bob2what does that mean?01:57
torporit means, it does not work.  i press alt-tab, nothing happens.01:58
StarScreamhmm my alt-tab works...but how do  i get a right click01:58
bob2torpor: insightful01:58
bob2torpor: does tgab not work in general? does alt?01:58
bob2torpor: do other metacity bindings work ok?01:58
MarmadukeDoes anyone know why the Warty release cd is labeled "Preview i386 Binary-1"??01:59
torporokay .. i switched my keymap to "macintosh" ... then i had to go to the keyboard macro's panel and set up window-switching-with-popup to work with alt-tab.01:59
torporif i knew how to contribute back to ubuntu-ppc and fix it so that if it installs on a powerbook the keymap is automatically set up, i would .. but just for now, i'd like to get my system working and learn in the process.01:59
septeracoreMarmaduke: afaik they just forgot to change it02:00
kentwhats the URL for geekonline? The place that sold tshirt and stuff. I cant find it :(02:00
bob2thinkgeek?02:00
Marmadukeah well, that's OK. As long the iso is really the final release :-D02:00
kentbob2, thanks. 02:01
grahamanybody here tried compiling mono apps on ubuntu?02:01
bob2yes, works fine02:01
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grahamdid you get mono from tseng's repository, or install by hand? I'm just wondering whether you need to get seperate gtk# stuff from elsewhere...02:02
torporanyone know why the general refresh rate of X on powerbook is so slow?  i see blits.02:02
bob2tseng02:02
grahamthanks02:02
StarScreamquestion, if i want the source to the kernel i am currently running is it just apt-get install kernel-source?02:02
bob2torpor: that's not the refresh rate02:02
torporis it just the speed of my machine?02:03
grahamStarScream, apt-cache search linux-source02:03
torporits only 500mhz.  but OSX is snappy.02:03
grahamStarScream, then you'll see what's available02:03
bob2torpor: how fast is it? is DRI enabled?02:03
torpori'm not complaining, i'm just curious.02:03
StarScreamgraham..k there is heaps...but none of them match up to the name in uname -a02:03
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Despairtorpor: you may not be running accelerated X drivers, or have properly set up mtrrs (which can take a huge toll on X performance)02:04
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torporbob2: seems like DRI is enabled .. my XF86config has "Load "Dri" in the modules section.02:04
grahamStarScream, I've not got a ubuntu box handy, but I suspect that you can chop the arch specific bit of `uname -r` off the end to get the correct name of the source package02:04
bob2torpor: nvidia vide ocard?02:04
torporDespair: i'm only using the default ubuntu install on this powerbook so far, i haven't tweaked anything as i've only just started using it...02:04
mjrtorpor, that doesn't mean anything02:04
mjror rather, it means that X will _try_ to load dri02:05
torporokay02:05
mjrand yet, dri has pretty much no impact on usual 2d rendering02:05
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torporso, the point of asking about "DRI enabled" was ... ?02:06
mjrso even if you lack it, you might (but probably not, judging by the symtoms) have accelerated drivers activated02:06
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bob2torpor: do you have an nvidia card?02:06
torporbob2: its a rev-a powerbook.  i think that is ATI.02:06
mjrtorpor, what's on the Driver line in your X config?02:07
StarScreamtorpor i think you will find its running in fbmode02:07
StarScreammine is on my ibook g3 80002:07
torpordriver "ati"02:07
bob2torpor: post on the ubuntu-users list, daniel or fabbionne will know more than anyone here now02:08
torpori have no idea what mtrrs is, and it seems synaptic doesn't either.02:08
torporokay02:08
StarScreamhmm ok i got the headers for my ppc kernel but can't find the source..02:08
mjrtorpor, hmm, interesting, then it should use an accelerated driver; the list idea is probably good02:08
torpori'll try that.02:08
Despairtorpor: `cat /proc/mtrr`02:08
StarScreamor is it the same ...regardless of the ppc or not02:08
StarScreami guess it would be hey...02:08
torporno such file.02:09
torpor/proc/mtrr02:09
grahamStarScream, it is the same, yes02:09
Despairtorpor: hm, I thought PPC has an equivalent. Wonder if it's unsupported in linux, or just handled differently.02:09
torpordunno anything about it.02:09
torporbut okay.02:09
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Despairtorpor: it controls cache modes. write-back for normal memory, and write-combining for agp & video ranges are usual settings.02:10
torporthanks for your help folks.  i'm gonna give up on ubuntu for now, it seems like its just really not ready for my powerbook yet, and i don't have time to learn yet another linux distro's quirks and irregularities.  nice to have it on there though, in case i ever need to do .. something .. in linux ..02:10
bob2torpor: 4 of the ubuntu developers own powerboooks02:10
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bob2if you actually want it to work, you can put in the minmal amount of effort to ask on the list02:11
StarScreamtorpor..its the same with all ppc distros02:11
StarScreammanduck and ydl are just as bad02:11
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torpori will do that, but for now i can't afford to bugger around with it.  i'm glad ubuntu is in the shape its in though, its still a pretty nice distro, and it was fun to install.  just, still sorta clumsy.02:11
StarScreamtrust me, i've looked at alot of ppc distros02:11
StarScreamso far ubuntu is the beset02:11
StarScreambest02:11
StarScreamwhy not just dual boot like i am for now02:12
torporhey, me too.  i checked out ydl and crux before ubuntu.  i'll leave ubuntu on here, but play with it later.02:12
torpori am dual booting, yah.02:12
StarScreamonce you have learnt how to do it, it will be all good02:12
StarScreambasically the same situation i'm in02:12
torpordamn, seems like sound has suddenly decided to start working. weird.02:13
torporah well. cheers folks!  02:13
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MarmadukeIs there any sort of gnome add on/tweak so that you can share a folder (using samba) by right-clicking on it? Like what KDE can do.02:17
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sivangMarmaduke : not that I know of, but you might be enlighted by the folks here02:19
sivangMarmaduke : you can always use SWAT02:19
Marmaduketrue, or hack the smb.conf file :-D02:19
sivangMarmaduke : it's a web frontend for SAMBA's configuration file, I find it rather useful02:19
bob2there's ifolder02:19
sivangMarmaduke : yes that might be it. Althought such a GNOMEish frontend doesn't sound a bad idea at all02:20
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MarmadukeWell I guess I could learn how to develop gnome apps and write something :-D02:21
jdubhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/ubuntu-artwork_0.2.15-1_all.deb02:21
jdub^ couple of bug fixes02:21
jdubMarmaduke: mandrake have a nautilus extension that can do that02:21
sivangMarmaduke : you can , and if you use python for it you'll also enjoy it on the way :)02:22
jdubit has just been updated in their cvs to be a proper nautilus extension02:22
sivangjdub : does it have a .deb yet?02:22
bob2jdub: when will nautilus get ifolder love?02:22
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MarmadukeHmmm sounds like an interesting project to learn python/gnome :-D02:23
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jdubbob2: dunno02:23
jdubsivang: no02:23
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MarmadukeI did love how easy it was to install the nvidia driver. No messing the XF86Config file.02:24
grahamas new kernel source is released will we expect to see packages in ubuntu, or will we have to wait for hoary?02:24
bob2warty will not be updated02:24
grahamk02:24
bob2except for security and serious bug fixeas02:25
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__danielcan somebody tell what to put into /etc/sudoers to make sudo work?02:27
__danielor tell me what the ouput of   grep -v ^# /etc/sudoers   is02:27
bob2rob     ALL=(ALL) ALL02:28
bob2but ubuntu will set that up for you02:28
__danielbob2, not if you "upgraded" from debian sid ;-)02:28
__danielbob2, thanks02:28
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StarScreammjr..i know you were helping topor with his alt, earlier, my alt is working but i can't for the life of me get it to give me a right click menu02:29
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__danielhai ploum02:29
bob2dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation=102:30
bob2dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode=12502:30
bob2dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode=9602:30
bob2StarScream: add that to /etc/sysctl.conf02:30
StarScreambob2 cool, do i have to restart for that to take effect?02:32
bob2no02:32
bob2run "sudo sysctl -p"02:32
stvnyeah, had ik ook idd02:33
StarScreamk02:33
StarScreamdid that02:33
StarScreamwhich key is my modifier now?02:33
bob2now apple and "enter" ( not return) are your extra mouse buttons02:33
boadaHowdy - I used "usermod" to add the first user to a group, but consequently removed that user from every other group. Can someone tell me what groups this user should be in by default?02:33
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bob2rob@blerg> groups                                                         ~/tmp02:34
bob2rob adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner02:34
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StarScreambob2..cool, apple enter works...is there a way i can get it so that i can press my apple key and click?02:35
StarScreamand it will bring up the right mouse menu?02:35
bob2"enter" is the right mouse button02:35
mjrhmm, interesting; I told the installer to speak Finnish to me. Some strings are instead in Swedish. Of course, that is our second official language, but...02:36
boadabob2: Was that list for me?02:36
bob2boada: er, yes02:36
boadabob2: Thanks very much, I got confused by the "rob"02:37
SepheeBearthere is an app called 'mouseemu' that is supposed the mimic the "normal" ctrl-click behavior of mac mice. google 'mouseemu' to find out more02:37
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bob2it's the output of "groups" on my machines02:37
xephDoes anyone know if the cds have been shipped yet?02:38
boadabob2: OK, well, thanks a lot.02:38
bob2xeph: no, they have not02:38
bob2xeph: they'll reach you in about a month02:38
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SepheeBearhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001638.html02:38
StarScreambob2 yeh but instead of using enter, can i use apple+click? or is that just too difficult02:38
bob2StarScream: what SepheeBear said02:39
xephbob2: Thanks. Do you know if they come with the live cd aswell?02:39
bob2xeph: the i386s ones do02:39
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xephbob2: Cool. Thanks02:40
Micksa<bob2> rob adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner02:41
Micksa-:- SignOff JohanH: #ubuntu ("Lmnar")02:41
Micksa-:- SignOff Marmaduke: #ubuntu ("Leaving")02:41
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Micksa<StarScream> bob2..cool, apple enter works...is there a way i can get it so02:41
Micksa             that i can press my apple key and click?02:41
Micksa<StarScream> and it will bring up the right mouse menu?02:41
Micksa<bob2> "enter" is the right mouse button02:41
Micksa<mjr> hmm, interesting; I told the installer to speak Finnish to me. Some02:41
Micksa          strings are instead in Swedish. Of course, that is our second02:41
PizbitMicksa: WTF?02:41
Micksa          official language, but...02:41
Micksa<boada> bob2: Was that list for me?02:41
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Micksa<bob2> boada: er, yes02:41
stvnheh02:41
Micksa-:- SignOff enrico: #ubuntu ("A Grand Day Out")02:41
Micksa<boada> bob2: Thanks very much, I got confused by the "rob"02:41
Micksa<SepheeBear> there is an app called 'mouseemu' that is supposed the mimic the02:41
Micksa             "normal" ctrl-click behavior of mac mice. google 'mouseemu' to02:41
__danielMicksa, stop it02:41
mjrMicksa, yes, we got that :)02:41
Micksa             find out more02:41
PizbitSometimes I wish I had ops.02:41
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bob2obviously he can't stop it02:42
__danielbob2, i'm not sure about it :-)02:42
Micksa<bob2> it's the output of "groups" on fuck02:42
Pizbitxchat automatically puts in the delay between the messages it sends02:42
MicksaI mean02:42
Micksafuck02:42
Micksasorry about that folks02:42
Micksadunno what happaned02:42
__daniel:-)02:42
bob2you selected it and hit paste02:42
stvnwrong button?02:42
Micksawell I have a fair idea :)02:42
PizbitMicksa: You spammed the channel02:42
Micksasomething like that02:42
__danielMicksa, only thing that counts: you're fine again :-)02:42
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MicksaPizbit: not on purpose02:42
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Micksadaniels: I imagine it would count less if I had done that for more than 20 lines :)02:43
Micksaanyway02:43
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johaHi all!02:46
johaHow is the pygtk-2.0 devel package called in Ubuntu?02:46
johaBecause, under "pygtk" I don't find anything in Synaptic.02:46
hornbeckmore than likely libpygtk02:47
bob2python-gtk2 - Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set02:47
bob2hornbeck: no, python packages are always python-foo02:47
hornbecknope02:47
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hornbeckbob2 just figured it out02:47
hornbeckthanks02:47
PizbitI put the battery indicator into my gnome-panel, and it's showing 0% :)02:47
PizbitNevermind this is a desktop system and doesn't have a battery *grin*02:48
Gmailwhat did i miss?02:48
hornbeckhehe02:48
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johabob2: Okay, I just checked and that is installed. However, a package that needs pygtk2.0 doesn't ./configure still....02:48
Gmailsome spamming? did someone wish they had op powers?02:48
bob2joha: what package?02:48
hornbeckx to the z02:48
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bob2please don't say gdesklets02:48
Pizbitpython-gtk2-dev02:48
bob2possibly02:48
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HaRDaWaYhello02:49
Gmailbye HaRDaWaY02:50
johabob2, no gnome-blog02:50
Gmailfrom now on when someone ask when x in hoary starting give them this http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule02:50
StarScreamfor some reason my fonts in gnome dont look AA02:50
Gmailwe need a bot here02:50
bob2joha: it's in ubuntu02:50
bob2Gmail: no we don't02:50
Gmailbob2: we need one like dpkg02:51
bob2StarScream: computer -> desktop preferences -> fonts02:51
bob2Gmail: no, wedon't02:51
Gmailwhy dont we02:51
bob2Gmail: because then it will get full of crap like dpkg02:51
StarScreambob2 yeh i know, been in there, and i've set it up..it just doesn't look like its aa..02:51
bob2ubuntu has excellent documentation, people just need to read it02:51
Gmaili have been here and i saw the same question i ask being repeated 8 and i ask it only once02:51
johabob2, I've made some changes to the source code.02:51
bob2joha: install the build-dependencies of gnome-blog then02:52
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Gmailbob2: a link bot that pastes links02:52
StarScreamis there a certain size at which it turns aa off automagically?02:52
bob2joha: apt-cache showsrc gnome-blog02:52
bob2Gmail: that's even worse02:52
Gmailor an irssi plug in02:52
Gmailyea if someone abuses it02:52
johabob2, cool, thanks. That should be built into Synaptic :)02:52
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bob2joha: heh02:52
bob2joha: this way you can even get a .deb out of it'02:53
Gmailjoha: it is02:53
StarScreamactually ...nah it is working monochrome looks even more rubbish02:53
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Gmailjoha: well in cvs02:53
StarScreamits probably just me not being used to gnome02:53
johaGmail, Cool02:53
johabob2: cool, how would that work?02:53
Gmaillook at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule does anyone see anything wrong with the dates02:54
bob2joha: apt-get source gnome-blog02:54
bob2joha: hack the source02:54
bob2joha: run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"02:54
Gmailthere is something for sure wrong with  5  October 18th  Array Test CD 102:54
bob2joha: install the .debs it spits out02:54
bob2Gmail: chill out, it hasn't been updated02:54
bob2Gmail: it's known02:54
Gmailbecause the hoary branch isnt open yet02:54
bob2yes, it's known02:55
Gmailok bob2 you guys where planing a bit faster than you went?02:55
xephIs there a list on the site that lists all the packages available in Warty?02:55
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Gmailwill ubuntu be also shiting hoary?02:56
johaOkay, got it running02:56
johaThanks02:56
bob2joha: cool02:56
bob2xeph: the seeds should02:56
bob2Gmail: "shiting"?02:57
Gmailshiping02:57
Pizbitxeph: There's always "apt-cache search \."  I believe *grin*02:57
Gmailme hates spelling02:57
bob2Gmail: it hasn't been decided.02:57
KeybukGmail: we decided not to open hoary before warty released02:57
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bob2Gmail: I know, but it makes talking to you very hard02:57
Gmailohhh02:57
KeybukGmail: also that schedule was actually written before GNOME's, so needs adjusting anyway02:57
xephbob2: where can I find a seed?02:58
Gmailbob2: i cant wait till virc is starting to be more common02:58
StarScreamGmail...virc better than ksirc?02:58
bob2xeph: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog02:58
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xephbob2: Ahh. Thanks :)02:59
Gmailmaybe they will call it VoIRC03:00
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Gmailif hoary isnt opening with in the next 2 weeks i will work on porting some debian debs to ubuntu like the latest gaim and xchat03:01
KeybukGmail: the kickoff meeting is in Monday and will discuss how we resync with Debian and what the goals are03:02
Gmailand if ubuntu uses the debian version of the kernel w/o any patch i'll also port it03:02
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StarScreamhmm my battery seems to be getting chewed under linux..1:55 and my battery is down to 23%03:03
GmailKeybuk: if you need me to port apps over i can help because i made lot of backort before from experiMENTAL to sarge for people03:03
GmailStarScream: lol if something to do with some settings and the cpu03:04
Gmaili dont know that much about laptops03:04
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theineIs there something like a development branch for Ubuntu and if so, what is the apt-repository called?03:06
bob2no, not yet03:06
Gmailtheine: there is one but is going to be talked about the path its taking on monday03:06
theineLooking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ there already seems to be hoary03:07
bob2theine: it's empty03:07
bob223:02 < Keybuk> Gmail: the kickoff meeting is in Monday and will discuss how we resync with Debian and what the goals are03:07
theineI see, thanks03:07
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Gmailbob2: so the meeting is on monday03:08
bob2tuesday morning, our time03:09
PizbitHehe03:09
PizbitIt's already monday here, has been for over 2 hours, and it's a public holiday to boot.03:10
Gmailerrr that make it werst i had time tonight and monday night to port stuff over but ... i was talking about porting to warty not to haory03:10
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Animahi03:10
Animai am currently using the ubuntu liveCD and was wondering is there a way to install it onto the hard disk?03:11
PizbitNope03:11
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Animaoh ok03:11
Animaso i need to get the install release..03:11
joolzi just had my draytek router point to local syslog, works ok. Does ubuntu have a syslog analyzer on board?03:13
bob2joolz: I liked logwatch03:14
joolzbob2: tx, i'll have a look03:14
theineAnybody knows how to re-enable the feature to ``paste'' links into firefox with the middle mouse button?03:15
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Pizbittheine: about:config in the url bar, search for middlemouse.contentLoadURL and set to true <-Does this give what you're looking for?03:17
theinelet's see...03:18
muhvwhere i can find version 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel image and headers for ubuntu?03:18
Micksadoes there exist some sort of application that can check your mail and pop up the messages (maybe complete, maybe just the subject), depending maybe on the message?03:18
Micksaof that makes sense03:18
MicksaIF03:18
muhvapt-get install kernel-header-2.6-386 will end up version 2.6.7-103:18
theinePizbit: Yes it does, thank you03:19
bob2Micksa: that would be cool03:19
Pizbittheine: I only know that because I friggin hate that behaviour *grin*03:19
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TomJoadhi all03:19
bob2muhv: linux-headers-foo03:19
Micksabob2: yes, it would03:19
MicksaI was thinking today03:19
theineReally? For me it's the opposite03:19
PizbitYeah, I use middle click to open stuff in tabs, lots03:20
Micksasuppose you want to get notified of, say, changes to CVS or a wiki03:20
PizbitAnd sometimes I miss the link cause I was doing it too fast03:20
Micksaand email doesn't really cut it, by itself because then you'd get flooded03:20
theineOk, I can see that's quite convenient too03:20
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Micksabut if you had an app that picked certain messages (based on arbitrary criteria) out of your inbox as they were received, and just popped them up on the screen03:20
PizbitAlso disabling it allows you to middle click on a tab to close it.03:20
Micksait would make thinks much more convenient03:20
muhvbob2: what do u mean by tahat03:20
Micksaso like, should I start coding this up or something? :)03:21
PizbitMicksa: Sure03:21
bob2muhv: it's not called kernel-headers, it's called linux-headers03:21
Micksaor :)03:21
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TomJoadi downloaded the warthy iso-image, and my computer doesn't boot from it; my motherboard is less than 2 years old, what should i do?03:21
bob2TomJoad: does your computer support booting cds?03:22
PizbitTomJoad: Is your bios set to boot off the cd before hd?03:22
__danielTomJoad, did you look up the boot order in bios?03:22
muhvbob2: tnx03:22
MicksaI'll ask around a bit more first03:22
Micksano sense in re-inventing the wheel03:22
TomJoadyes and yes03:22
PizbitTomJoad: Sounds like a bad burn then or you didn't burn it as an image03:22
TomJoadi have installed sarge on it, so i don't know what the problem could be03:22
TomJoadso it's the burn?03:23
bob2TomJoad: did it burn ok?03:23
TomJoadyes03:23
PizbitTomJoad: Those're my guesses.03:23
TomJoadand md5sum was ok03:23
TomJoadso it's not a known bug, i should keep on trying...03:24
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PizbitHrm, sleep time, ninis.03:24
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xenoniteTomJoad: have you tried to boot with another cd? e.g. knoppix03:24
xenonitePizbit: gn803:25
bob2TomJoad: try asking on the ubuntu-users list03:25
bob2xenonite: he said sarge installed fine03:25
theineBy the eay, I love gnome 2.8, but metacity ***** balls03:25
theineI mean still03:26
xenoniteso, how can i change the window-resizing behavior? i press ALT+LeftMB to move the window, and i want ALT+RightMB to resize.03:27
bob2did you find the metacity keybdingins config thing?03:27
xenoniteyes03:28
theinexenonite: I would recommend using openbox as your window manager in gnome...03:28
bob2and you set it there?03:28
bob2any window manager recommendation is completely subjective03:29
StarScreambob2, since your the laptop expert, do you know how i can change the frequency that the cpu is running at?03:29
bob2however, metacity is the best integrated into gnome03:29
bob2StarScream: I'm no expert03:29
xenonitebob2: i found /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier in gconf03:29
theinebo2: true enough03:29
bob2StarScream: and that depends on your CPU03:29
StarScreambob2, g3 800\03:29
xenonitetheine: so whats the big difference between those window managers?03:29
bob2StarScream: you can configure powernowd to do that03:29
StarScreamcheers03:30
Gmaildoes anyone here *really* use kde? or even like it? its so unlogical to me03:30
bob2or cpufreqd03:30
bob2Gmail: please don't troll.03:30
StarScreamGmail...i do03:30
theinexenonite: 6 words, middle mouse maximizes the window vertically03:30
StarScreamGmail i dont want to start a flame war, but its my preferred environment03:30
theineThat's such a nice feature!03:30
xenonite:)03:31
GmailStarScream: what part of it because the last time i used it was in version 2 and i hated it but i guess it imporvoded03:31
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Gmailbob2: i am not trolling i wanted to know why people like it03:31
StarScreamGmail..ok, well i was a die hard gnome fan till 3.2 03:31
StarScreamso its changed a fair bit03:31
StarScreamtry it and see, it doesn't do any harm03:32
theineAlso resistance against other windows is nice, not sure if metacity has this feature as well tough03:32
bob2Gmail: it's off-topic and trollish.03:32
Gmailok we are moving to a pm03:32
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bob2Gmail: thank you03:32
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stvn__daniel: haha03:33
xenonitetheine: huh? a window-defender *g*03:33
Gmailgnome 3.2?03:33
hornbecksparkes: we hang out in #ubuntu-devel03:33
hornbeckalot of talking right now03:33
sparkeshey hornbeck 03:33
hornbeckhead on over03:33
theineAlright, that's enough advertisement from my side :)03:33
xenonite;)03:33
Gmail__daniel: tell me about gnome 3.2 i am still using the latest version 2.803:35
xenoniteGmail: kde3.2 he meant03:35
izaha03:35
Gmailo.003:35
StarScreamyeh i was talking about kde 3.2 :)03:35
Gmaili am talking about what __danielsaid03:36
Gmail* __daniel remembers the good old times too: gnome3.2 really rocked :-)03:36
xenoniteseems like kde is more developped than gnome ;) gnome has to take the next step03:36
stvnGmail: it was a joke - duh03:36
bob2and then we could comment on how KDE has so many useless options in it's contro lcenter that it needs a search engine03:37
Gmailxenonite: gnome is developped on more than kde03:37
bob2but that would be OT, so let's not ;-)03:37
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KeybukKDE has certainly been being developed for longer than GNOME03:37
Gmailxenonite: look at gnome's browser firefox (as of 2.8 ephin was droped)03:37
xenoniteGmail: lol look at the version number: gnome _can't_ be more developped03:37
stvnxenonite: LOL03:38
Gmailxenonite: gnome relest a new version ever 6 months03:38
KeybukGmail: Epiphany is still 2.8's browser upstream03:38
theineGmail: officially dropped by the gnome team?03:38
Gmailno03:38
izkde burp03:38
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Gmailunoffical droped by most distros03:38
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xenonitetheine: i thought ubuntu chose firefox03:38
theineIt did03:38
xenonitetheine: inofficially03:38
Gmailkhtml does render as much as firefox does03:39
theineAnd that was a really good decision of course03:39
xenoniteyes indeed03:39
bob2Gmail: please stop making uninformed comments on everything03:39
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Gmailgnome 2.8 has 4 main browsers03:39
xenonitehm 1 is enough i think03:39
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xenonitethis is firefox03:39
Keybukpersonally I find GNOME more pleasurable to develop for than KDE03:40
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StarScreamk battery is going to run out and i forgot the charger...cya peoople03:40
ozan i want my mp3 files to be played with mplayer but i want gnome to open a console and play how can i do it?03:40
Gmaileniph, mozilla, firefox and i cant even now rember its name because the last time i used it, it was 1.6 years ago03:40
xenoniteKeybuk: do you code c? or c++? or even c#?03:40
Keybukxenonite: yes.03:40
xenonite;)03:41
cefthe only real issue with konqueror (as a browser) is getting java support working (ie: it has issues with most sites/apps)... moz at least tends to get that right, but lacks in other small ways..03:41
KeybukGTK+ is sex, Gtk# is sex with handcuffs and blindfolds03:41
stvnKeybuk: kinky :)03:41
helixheh03:41
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Gmailcan someone pm me feature that kde has that gnome doesnt as the person which was before just left03:41
helixbob2: you already know the answer to that :)03:42
bob2heheh03:42
cefKeybuk: what, no whips and chains?03:42
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stvnhelix: visual basic? ;)03:42
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xenonitei think those chains are for gtk+. c# development is faster than with c&c++03:43
Keybukactually, this is one good example where GNOME is light-years ahead of KDE ... it's language bindings03:43
__danielKeybuk, even proper c++ bindings ;-)03:43
bob2gtkmm is pretty awesome03:43
xenonitehmm03:43
bob2especially with glademm03:43
__danielbob2, where do you get glademm from?03:43
__danielbob2, well glade--03:43
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Keybuklibglademm-2.4-1 ate a guess03:44
bob2jah03:44
__daniel"apt-file search glade--" doesnt give me anything03:45
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xcasexquestion, the glrx module is precompiled and availible from restricted right?03:46
bob2yes03:46
bob2BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki03:47
theine__daniel: what about ``apt-cache search glademm''>03:47
xcasexaah yes03:47
xcasexthanks03:47
__danieltheine, i want /usr/bin/glade--03:47
Keybuk__daniel: no such beast.03:47
__danieltheine, cause that's what  glade  calls when i want it to supply me with cool c++ code03:47
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helixhm, speaking of c++03:48
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theinesorry, can't help you with that03:48
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xenoniteKeybuk: have you tried objective-c?03:48
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stvnnight bob2 03:48
helixhe's faking it03:48
__danielbob2, sleep tight03:48
Keybukthe best way to use glade is through libglade and libglademm ... you use the interface's XML files and load them into your app at runtime03:48
Gmailok anyone have some tip on what programming lang i *should* learn and any good book to get?03:48
Keybukthe generated code is ... inconvenient03:48
xenonitegn8 bob03:49
__danielKeybuk, oh, i see03:49
Keybukxenonite: nope, never really interested me03:49
cefsleep sounds like a good idea, except that I've done a lot of it today03:49
Gmailopps i wanted to ask that in #freenode but doesnt matter03:49
stvncmcobalt03:49
stvnGmail: colbalt03:49
helixGmail: learn scheme03:49
__danielKeybuk, i just made you my personal c++ glade teacher ;-)03:49
stvnhm typos03:49
cefGmail: brainfuck.. learn that03:50
xenoniteKeybuk: obj-C seems to be objectoriented without the problems of C++03:50
__danielcef, all the guys talk about brainfuck - is there *any* cool user program done in it already?03:50
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mjrhmh, my fresh-installed Ubuntu system doesn't seem to be able to get a address via DHCP in either my home WLAN or the wireful variety03:50
xenoniteGmail: you could start with the easy php, continue with sql03:50
Gmailso whats so good about colbalt? why not c? i want to write app using GTK ...?03:51
Gmailxenonite: hmm there is php-gtk maybe03:52
cef__daniel: nope, but that wasn't part of the original question *grin*03:52
KeybukGmail: a great way to get into GNOME apps is Mono/Gtk#03:52
__danielcef, but it tells something about the relevance of the answer03:52
__daniel:-)03:52
Keybuk(ie. .NET and C#)03:52
merriamGmail: ignore him.  there's no such thing as "colbalt"03:53
Gmailwhere do i find ubuntu calender bg ? and yes i read what it is in the faq but it doesnt tell me where to get it from03:53
cef__daniel: hey, I['m hoping someone does something useful in it.. eg: implements gtk bindings or something equally absurd)03:53
Gmailno way i am not learning some m$ hacked version of c called c#03:53
KeybukGmail: aptitude install ubuntu-calendar03:53
Keybukthat package includes it03:53
alindemanGmail: c# isn't an MS standard03:54
alindemanThey've implemented it, but it's not their idea03:54
xenonitec# is a nice language, relatively easy to understand.03:54
KeybukC# is a reasonably nice language, it's kinda a cross between C, Java and ObjectPascal03:54
GmailKeybuk: i got it installed but where is it?03:54
alindemanhttp://mono-project.com/03:54
cef__daniel: acutally I personally prefer plain old C for most anything that I can't do in bash. *grin*03:54
KeybukGmail: select it in the Desktop Background Preferences dialog03:54
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xenonitebtw monodevelop is missing in the aptrepository of ubuntu03:55
azeemhi03:55
xenonitehi03:55
alindemanC# is an ECMA standard03:55
__danielcef, i just learned c++ and it seems i'll be able to like it :-)03:55
Keybukxenonite: yes, mono-mcs doesn't compile yet so monodevelop won't build yet03:56
azeemis there a way to display the devices during the installer? lspci does not seem to be around03:56
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Keybukalindeman: true, but designed by MS03:56
GmailKeybuk: is that the same one which that you chose your bg in ?03:56
merriamalindeman: who says c# isn't ms's idea?03:56
KeybukGmail: yes03:56
bob2C# was invented by MS, but is an ECMA standard,.03:56
xenoniteKeybuk: nice to hear they work at it03:56
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GmailKeybuk: no where in that dailog does it say ubuntu-cal..03:57
cefbob2: what worries me more is htat ECMA can be juggled about to spell ACME03:57
Gmailbob2: it was bought by m$03:57
mjrhmm, after reboot it gets onto the network03:57
mjrgo figure03:57
Keybukxenonite: mono-mcs needs mono-mcs to build mono-mcs which needs... :o)03:57
KeybukGmail: "Ubuntu Monthly Calendar"03:57
bob2Gmail: what was bought by MS?03:57
GmailKeybuk: want a screeny?03:57
xenonitewhich needs bootstrapping with the ms-compiler03:57
merriamGmail: you're making this up03:57
Gmailc# bob203:57
Gmailmerriam: when was something made by m$03:58
bob2Gmail: can you please stop making definitive claims about things you don't anything about?03:58
KeybukMS make a lot of things03:58
bob2it's very frustrating.03:58
Gmaili bet they even bought winblows off some kid which was making some stupid os03:58
bob2Gmail: please?03:58
Gmailbob2: lol03:58
merriamGmail: if you're just guessing, admit it03:58
bob2you're being very annoying.03:58
Gmaili am03:58
xenoniteokay i bet with you03:58
bob2he's not even guessing, he's making things up.03:59
Gmaili am stating the ovices03:59
le7heusDoes anyone know something about sound-programs like: ecasound, audacity, Rosegarden03:59
bob2Gmail: no, you're making things up and claiming they are true.03:59
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bob2Gmail: the difference between reality and fabrication is important.03:59
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Gmail0_o04:00
JStriketseng : You in?04:00
helixeven for solipsists?04:00
xenonitelook, he is ``stating the ovices''04:00
Keybukwhat have sheep got to do with it? :)04:00
cefso what's an ovices then?04:01
bob2lifeless: ping?04:01
bob2boom-tish04:01
xenonitehm he cant answer, he is out04:01
helixI think he meant "obvious"04:01
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Despairhelix: not offices?04:01
helixwell, maybe orifices04:01
cefI was guessing so, but you never can tell with Gmail04:01
xenonitewhat a cheep choke (oops sheeps i mean)04:01
Keybukhelix: he's certainly speaking out of one04:02
helixheh :)04:02
cefI know my spelling is bad, but these kids today take the cake!04:02
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=== stvn hands cef some cake
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Keybukooh, cake04:03
cefstvn: thank'ye.. hrm.. tastes of almonds.. you're not trying to poison me, are you?04:03
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stvncef: me?? ..... no!!!04:04
merriamGmail can hit a whole line of characters by mistake04:04
xenonitelol04:04
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xenonitecef, nice feature! works with kde, too?04:05
stvnhaha04:05
Gmailmerriam: i was using xchat04:05
cefboom-tish!04:05
Gmailand hit server > disconnect04:05
tsengJStrike: sure04:05
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=== xenonite gets hungry, is out to get some chocolate
cefxenonite: where's mine?04:06
=== NewComer can't get a chocolate, is fasting
cefxenonite: remember, bring back enough for the whole channel, or don't bother coming back! *grin*04:06
=== helix doesn't want any, give mine to cef
bob2it's vegan chocolate04:07
helixhmm04:07
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bob2made with soy milk04:08
cefhelix: and here I was just about to add that he better consider that there are vegans in here too04:08
helixheh04:08
bob2Keybuk: make daf do it for you04:08
helixbeing considerate of vegans usually means stabbing them in the face and waving chicken wings in front of them04:08
bob2cef: did you get ubuntu onto that amd64 the other day?04:09
Keybukheh, "I'm entirely happy to cook vegan food when you visit, so I expect you to cook me steak when I visit"04:09
bob2haha04:09
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le7heusdoes someone know anything about installing sound-programs in ubuntu, like: audacity, ecasound or rosegarden? And do you know about a linux-music irc-channel?04:09
cefbob2: it's at work, and i'm not.. so it's installed but needs some initrd love04:09
bob2cef: ah, right04:10
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=== xenonite brought 8 pieces of rittersport whith the taste of coconut
cefbob2: so in about 12 hrs, it should be fixed (I hope)..04:10
GmailI WANT CHOC!04:10
helixyou're not allowed to have sugar. 04:10
cefbob2: and a bug report should also be filed by that time04:10
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enablis there any way to apt-get the 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel sources?04:11
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cefbob2: then I can have some fun *grin*.. should be interesting04:11
cefxenonite: thank'ye04:11
xenonitewell someone else?04:11
xenonitehmm tasting very good04:12
xenonitei take the rest, ok?04:12
bob2enabl: why not the latest?04:12
Gmailbtw does ubuntu releast there iso images every 2 weeks after gnome comes out? with a test iso the day after gnome comes out?04:12
bob2cef: hah, should be scarily fast04:13
xenonitebob2: btw its made with with real milk04:13
JStriketseng : Muine should preferably use the gstreamer-backend now the gstreamer is up to scratch, or at least have the xine backend use alsa instead of OSS04:13
bob2xenonite: ah, excellent, more for me!04:13
bob2Gmail: the release schedule is on the wiki04:13
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cefbob2: should be.. dual opteron 246 and 3ware raid.. not really really fast, but fast enough04:13
enablbob2 whats the newest?04:14
Gmailbob2: and in the faq04:14
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Yannick_RHello, I've a widescreen on my laptop and the server X doesn't want to start does somebody know what could I do ?04:14
xenonite4.5 pieces left...04:14
bob2enabl: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.104:14
bob2Gmail: yes.04:14
tsengJStrike: yes im aware. thanks04:14
cefbob2: I'll have a hack at a few things with it and hopefully I can get into things again04:15
bob2Yannick_R: please read wiki.ubuntu.com04:15
Yannick_Rok04:15
xenoniteYannick_R: you somehow have to write in the vgabios at boot and at shutdown04:15
Gmailbut the it only has for the next few releast04:15
Micksawoo, got an inkscape diagram sucessfully into a tex doc04:15
Micksalatex, even04:15
enablthanks bob204:15
cefxenonite: I knew there was something weird about that chocolate.. I'm used to very very dark chocolate. oh well04:15
Gmaili want to know in a few years time when gnome 5.8 is out04:15
bob2Gmail: um, do you really need to plan the exact day of a release 2 years in the future?04:15
JStriketseng : Ah. Also, any luck making Beagle and iFolder packages? 04:16
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xenonitecef, i like those "gepa" with 70% chocolate mose.04:16
xenonitemost04:16
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cefbob2: why do I see the words "management potential" written above Gmail's head?04:16
tsengJStrike: jdub was working on ifolder i believe. search the wiki for a beagle howto04:16
bob2cef: heehehe04:16
Yannick_Rbob2 : what I'm I looking for in the wiki.ubuntu.com04:17
bob2Yannick_R: XAutodetection...04:17
Yannick_Rbob2 : ok04:17
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Gmailbob2: yes i installed SuSE on someone computer which didnt even know howto use winblows and never read a howto use linux. and planing to upgrade him by the time i think he is read to goto a normal distro04:17
JStriketseng : I know how to get beagle working :-) I was talking about creating packages for people04:17
Gmailcef: tell that to #flexcp04:17
tsengwell, ill think about it04:18
cefbob2: ahh yes, that reminds me that i have to hit daniels next time I see him04:18
JStriketseng : good stuff04:18
bob2Gmail: er...how does knowing when "gnome 5.8" will be out help wit hthat?04:18
bob2cef: on principle?04:18
cefbob2: pretty much *grin*04:18
bob2hehe04:18
bob2cef: ask him about x.org ;)04:18
cefbob2: he's off overseas soon about all that isn't he?04:19
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Tzalidari want to make the command "xrandr -r 100" execute when gdm launches and when i loging04:20
Gmailbob2: d/m04:20
Tzalidarwhere should i put that script?04:20
Gmailok if i make a new user on wiki can anyone see the password i chose? like admins?04:20
bob2Tzalidar: it'd be easier to jsut setup X to use that...04:20
bob2cef: think so04:20
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bob2Gmail: if they want to...04:21
Gmailor bob204:21
bob2no, I cannot see your wiki password04:21
bob2or anyone else's04:21
helixhaha04:21
Gmailok who are the people who can see it and what are there nicks here04:21
Gmailbob2: you cant see your own?04:21
bob2I cannot find out where you live and bop you with a stick, either04:21
Tzalidarbob2 i have 100 hz as a modeline04:21
cefbob2: pity04:21
Tzalidarfor some reason i cant get x to default to it04:21
bob2Gmail: choose a password you don't care about04:22
Gmailgood i dont want people to now my password that i am using for one other thing04:22
Tzalidarso i need to run the command everytime i login04:22
cefGmail: it's also probably stored as a hash, rather than storing the password itself04:22
bob2Gmail: the machine admins can see it if they really cared to, but a) they don't, b) they don't and c) you're paranoid04:22
Tzalidarand i can't stand 85 hz on a crt04:22
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bob2Gmail: did you know lilo can see your nickserv password?04:22
bob2Gmail: and the google people can see  your gmail password!04:23
RicoAny easy cure if the installer will not see your CD rom drive?04:23
Gmailyea yea04:23
bob2so stop being so paranoid.04:23
Tzalidarany1 have an idea where i should put "xrandr -r 100" so that i get 100hz all the time?04:23
bob2your wiki password is worthless, anyway04:23
Gmailna i wound be paraniod if if you or anyone i annoy cound see my password04:24
bob2Tzalidar: write tothe ubuntu users list and ask how to make X default to 100Hz04:24
bob2Gmail: that sentence makes no sense04:24
Gmailand i once had bad histroy with a forums04:24
Gmailbob2: d/m04:24
bob2Tzalidar: you can stick it in one of the XSession files gdm installs if you want04:24
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bob2Gmail: "d/m" is not a word, either.04:24
helixto match his hat?04:24
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GotD0thi04:25
cefhelix: I can sell him one of those too.. *grin*04:25
xenoniteTzalidar: maybe you could use ~/.xsession04:25
bob2Gmail: nobody will try to hijack your wiki account, it's utterly worthless.  if you make enemies, it's because of your behaviour, which you can fix.04:25
Gmaildoesnt matter = d/m04:25
Tzalidarxenonite ;) good idea, ill try that04:25
cefRico: what sort of cd rom drive is it?04:25
bob2Tzalidar: after you run xrandr, run "gnome-session" to get into gnome04:25
Gmailbob2: no i a woriod they are going to hijack something else more importaint04:25
bob2Tzalidar: (you'll need to choose the "Debian Session" to make gdm run ~/.xsession)04:25
bob2Gmail: then use a worthless password04:26
RicoHitachi DVD GD-500004:26
bob2Gmail: and I promise the admins don't know or care about you04:26
grahamGmail, pwgen04:26
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GotD0tright, because hse uses the same password for everything04:26
cefRico: scsi or ide?04:26
GotD0tright gmail?04:26
RicoI have tried 4 different cd-rom drives04:26
stvnis the nfs-kernel-server much different from the debian-sarge one? somehow after upgrading to ubuntu I can't conenct to my nfs shares anymore04:26
Ricoide04:26
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bob2stvn: did you load the kernel modules for it?04:26
cefRico: hrm... what sort of ide controller? (ie: m/board?04:26
Ricoyes motherboard04:26
stvnbob2: not that i'm aware off, let me check04:26
cefRico: what model/brand motherboard?04:27
bob2stvn: "nfsd" is the one you want04:27
stvnbob2: I did04:27
Ricothe last version saw it fine04:27
Gmailhmm why coundnt there be a java installing package script like for flash in ubuntu04:27
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RicoMSI 915P neo204:27
stvnbob2: it seems to be running, it just won't conenct04:27
bob2Gmail: there can be, read the wiki04:27
Gmailthe other way04:27
Gmaili did04:27
bob2Gmail: good.04:27
Gmailand it said to goto http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian04:28
Gmailbut there is no script there04:28
cefRico: seen a few reports of it lately . .. you said it worked before? on a daily or pre-release?04:28
Gmail* .deb script to d/l the java package and install it04:28
Ricopre release04:28
Rico10/13 I believe04:28
cefhrm.. sounds like it's either not detecting the cdrom, or not detecting all the IDE stuff properly04:29
Tzalidarbash scripting is so cool :D04:29
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Tzalidari really should learn to use it more04:30
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cefRico: you could switch to the terminal and try loading the appropriate modules by hand04:31
Ricoit is probbably the IDE because I have tried 3 other cd -rom drives with the same result04:31
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cefRico: not sure what they are though04:31
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Tzalidarill try to restart X and se if my xsession file is run04:33
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cefwell now I really should get to sleep04:35
Erixhow can i change acpi settings?04:35
cefErix: which settings?04:35
xenonitebtw how can i go to suspend mode?04:36
Erixcef: i use a laptop and cpu works under full load all the time.04:36
Erixand fan works all the time04:37
cefErix: ahh just the general stuff, nothing specific04:38
ErixBattery 1: charged, 100%04:40
Erixthat is what acpi command gives04:40
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Gmaili am updating hardware support04:40
Gmailanyone want to see if i am making any spellling mistakes?04:40
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Gmailhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fVideoCards04:41
Gmailmy onbaord sound is not working and i now howto modconf it but modconf is not installed and i hear its broken so should i learn howto use modprobe04:43
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GotD0tgmail: you mean you KNOW how to04:44
nonebotif ubuntu realeases every 6 months...that means that i will stay with gaim 0.98 for 6 months ?04:46
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Gmailyea yea04:46
Gmailnonebot: ubuntu is using gaim 1.0.004:47
GotD0tnonebot you can upgrade yourself if you wish04:47
Gmailnonebot: i will be backporting apps from hoary when its starts to wrty04:47
GotD0tand gmail is correct about 1.0.004:47
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Gmailand yahoo is half broken04:47
nonebotGotD0t, from the ubuntu repository, debian, or source ?04:47
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Gmailnonebot: from ubuntu 4.10 final04:49
Gmailaka warty04:49
cefnite04:49
Gmailnonebot: apt-get update04:49
Gmailthen04:49
Gmailapt-get upgrade04:49
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wsxhi there!04:49
xenonitehi04:50
xenoniteso there will be no new packages until hoary release?04:50
GotD0tnonebot: gmail, you don't know what you're talking about... i believe he wants to update to 1.0.2... which he can't through apt-get (afaik)04:50
Gmailnite cef btw is it you which still need to give my my CHOC?04:50
brettcarxenonite: You can set your repositories to use the hoary ones, but they will be unstable until hoary is released.04:50
Smintthi04:51
GmailGotD0t: i think he might be using a preview relest04:51
nonebotGotD0t, im fine for now with 1.0.0...but will i get 1.0.2 in the next weeks ?04:51
Gmailnonebot: yes04:51
nonebotGmail, from the ubuntu repository ?04:51
Gmailnonebot: i will port it right from debian04:51
xenonitenonebot: i think you have to use the hoary repositories04:51
wsxI've got a problem with the ubuntu release version: my tft (19") doesn't show anything after the installation. Frequency out of range. It worked with the preview release. Any ideas how to solve this?04:52
Gmailnonebot: you'll have to add a new ubuntu warty COMPLATIBLE repsory04:52
Sminttsome body has installed ubunto on a powerpc?  i'm update macos and they erase my yaboot, how can i  restore yaboot ?04:52
Gmailxenonite: i am backporting04:52
Gmailxenonite: but for now i am porting04:52
xenoniteGmail: so where is this repository?04:53
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Gmailanyone one want to host a unoffical ubuntu-compatible responsory04:53
brettcarGmail: You're going to run a Ubuntu backports site?04:53
Gmailxenonite: i will make it04:53
Gmailbrettcar: yea04:53
azeemwarty is outdated already?04:53
brettcarGmail: Heh I would but I can't afford the bandwidth... I assume it'd eat up over 20 gigs a month.04:53
Gmailazeem: YES!04:53
xenonitelol04:54
Gmailbrettcar: well donations04:54
Gmailazeem: even a new kernel is out04:54
stvnazeem: obviously, it does not contain any of the software created in the last 5 minutes04:54
brettcarGmail: I'd be willing to help administer it and so on but I don't think I could front money for it at first. Plus it'd be hard to raise cash before it exists.04:55
Gmailstvn: it doesnt have software from even a few months back xchat 2.4 was out a few months back any ubuntu is still using 2.0.804:55
xenonitewill there be security fixes?04:55
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brettcarxenonite: Yes04:55
Gmailxenonite: there is04:55
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xenonitegmail xchat 2.4 is not for free04:55
Gmailxenonite: there are lot of fixes04:55
Gmailxenonite: yes it is04:55
Gmailxenonite: only not for winblows04:56
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runoed7caemu04:56
Gmailxenonite: it in sid in debian04:56
Ricocef I threw a SCSI drive in and it seems to be working now04:56
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GmailRico: <cef> nite04:56
stvnGmail: you can't have both the newest software and a stable distro, debian unstable/ubuntu hoarty are for those who want to run the latest and the greatest, but don't want to compile, warty is for those who want a decent and stable OS which doesn't change every day04:57
Gmaili know04:57
Tzalidarthe xsession thing didn't work04:57
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Tzalidarbut i think i did iot the wrong way04:57
Gmailstvn: but some people dont like using gaim 1.0.0 when most protocols a re broken04:58
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Gmaillike hwo yahoo is half broken04:58
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GotD0tgmail: yahoo is half broken because they messed with their protocol... trillian on windows doesn't work with yahoo either04:58
xenoniteafk04:58
Gmailwe all now that04:59
Gmailbut when msn messenger come out with v 11 of there protocol and yahoo totaly brakes plus aol is broken then PEOPLE will complain that there are no updates05:00
Gmaili think even manbrake offer update in such cases05:00
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GotD0tthen use mandrake and stop complaining about ubuntu not having it... or compile it from the source05:01
GmailI KILLED MANBRAKE05:01
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GotD0ti wonder if mplayer ever wants to play05:02
GmailGotD0t: i am not complaing i said other people do so that why i said i will open a backport repsonry05:02
stvnGotD0t: it used to play here, when it still had debian, but IIRC I compiled it myself and didn't use a package - so i'll try that again05:02
wsxAnybody any idea why my tft doesn't show anything with ubuntu RELEASE? It DID with the PREVIEW...05:02
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kartonewbie question... there is no "computer", "home" etc icons on my desktop (fresh install of 4.10) - how do I add them?05:03
Tzalidarthey are in the "computer" panel05:03
Tzalidaron the gnome panel05:03
Tzalidari find it very convenient that they are ther, because i rarely use my desktop05:04
kartoyea... but Id like em on the desktop05:04
Tzalidari have apps in front of it05:04
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Gmailkarto: FAQ05:04
GmailREAD THEM05:04
Gmailopps sorry05:04
GotD0tkarto: it takes a bit of getting used to if you're switching from windows,