[12:00] <toyowheelin> GotD0t, are you using it for webdev practice?
[12:00] <rsgill> i have anohter question about evolution
[12:00] <__daniel> GotD0t, tell it to         AllowOverride None        Order deny,allow        Deny from all        Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128
[12:01] <rsgill> is there a button i could hit to apply filters?
[12:01] <ljlane> RuffianSoldier: there's a section named FILE in nearly all man pages. You can do "/FILE<enter>" to get (search, really) to it. The THEMES section may be of more interest to you though. Press "N" to repeat a search.
[12:01] <GotD0t> toyowheelin: no actually... its kinda complicated, i know what i need to do i just dont know how to set up apache
[12:01] <ljlane> err, FILES
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> May someone just friggen t3ell me where to untar it too? i find this a bit uneccesary
[12:02] <rt> hmm.  I should rig up this belkin monitor switch before I do this.
[12:02] <__daniel> RuffianSoldier, have a look in /usr/share/gkrellm *shrug* (don't have it installed)
[12:03] <rt> so, as this disk burns, can someone explain to me why they think that ubuntu has gotten a lot of buzz lately?
[12:03] <rt> what does it offer that other distributions do not?
[12:03] <GotD0t> cuz its great
[12:03] <GotD0t> haha
[12:04] <rt> all distributions are great, at least if you ask the people that make them.
[12:04] <GotD0t> well i certainly didnt make ubuntu
[12:04] <toyowheelin> rt it works in 64bit easly
[12:04] <GotD0t> ;-)
[12:04] <toyowheelin> ???
[12:04] <SmokingFire> I read the RIAA is cracking down on win32codecs downloads. $10,000 minimal penalties. Of course ubuntu/Canonical has to monitor this channel and forward all of its logs.
[12:04] <toyowheelin> :shrug:
[12:04] <Eno_> rt: its basically debian with a six month release cycle and easier install with nice defaults
[12:04] <rt> don't have any 64 bit machines, so that's not a big selling point w/ me.
[12:05] <rt> how could the RIAA crack down on win32codec downloads?
[12:05] <GotD0t> smokingfire i dont believe the riaa has any right to the logs
[12:05] <toyowheelin> SmokingFire, thats nice
[12:05] <GotD0t> legal or moral
[12:06] <toyowheelin> remind me to go get those codecs later
[12:06] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:06] <SmokingFire> Not, saying its true but its nice to start stupid rumors, lets see how far this one goes.
[12:06] <SmokingFire> Like the other one of IBM buying ubuntu
[12:06] <jdub> rt: every time i tell people about a commercially supported derivative of debian, with a regular release schedule, with a great group of people from Debian/GNOME/Python/etc working on it, they grab my collar and demand to know where it is. (Of course, since Preview, that hasn't been a huge issue.)
[12:06] <rt> with the elections here coming up, there is plenty of stupidity.  Why not start rumors which are actually intelligent and true instead?
[12:06] <adam_> uh... here's a dumb question, i have a deb package on my hd, how do i install it?
[12:06] <adam_> lol
[12:07] <GotD0t> see, its people like you that make crazy finnish professors say the internet is going to end in 2006 because of viruses and bad info floating around
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[12:07] <__daniel> adam_, dpkg -i bla.deb
[12:07] <SmokingFire> rt: If its intelligent and true then its news and not a rumor.
[12:07] <__daniel> adam_: oh yes, jdub's right
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: why do you have a separate debian package (instead of something via apt)?
[12:07] <rt> heh.  You don't watch much news, do you?
[12:07] <adam_> its not on the repositories?
[12:07] <jdub> guys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: what is it?
[12:07] <adam_> its bitpim, allows me to put ringers on my phone
[12:08] <rt> okay, time to go swap my cables around, and then give ubuntu a try.
[12:08] <adam_> it actually comes as an RPM, i converted it to a deb using alien
[12:08] <jdub> aha
[12:08] <GotD0t> is that such a good idea?
[12:08] <adam_> sweet it works yay :-) thanks.
[12:08] <GotD0t> guess so
[12:08] <GotD0t> heh
[12:09] <matthew> how can i get divx and xvid to work with gstreamer?
[12:09] <GotD0t> oooh, RIAA go get matthew... he wants codecs
[12:09] <matthew> GotD0t: yes.
[12:10] <GotD0t> matthew: it was a joke... cant help you sorry
[12:10] <matthew> hrmm
[12:10] <matthew> i cant find the packages in restrcted
[12:10] <Sensebend> cough w32codecs cough
[12:10] <GotD0t> thats pretty cool. where can i get the button?
[12:10] <adam_> why wouldn't it work?
[12:10] <matthew> Sensebend: would it be called gstreamer0.8-w32codecs?
[12:10] <__daniel> GotD0t, it came with my desk :-)
[12:10] <adam_> if it doens't, it doesn't work and i'll uninstall heeh
[12:12] <Sensebend> dunno never used gstreamer, but that package includes a lot of proprietary codecs
[12:13] <mjr> there's no gstreamer plugin for w32codecs
[12:13] <jdub> matthew: w32codecs is not available from the ubuntu repositories, you can get it from marillat's
[12:13] <JewDan> when I try to compile my printer driver i get this :: ./xlexinstall: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:13] <JewDan> 
[12:13] <JewDan> whats wrong
[12:13] <mjr> it's doable, of course, but nobody's done it
[12:14] <matthew> ok
[12:14] <Sensebend> is gstreamer a media player?
[12:14] <__daniel> JewDan, you seem to have to install tk8.3 before
[12:14] <Eno_> JewDan: install apt-file, apt-file search libtk8.3.so
[12:15] <Eno_> it's tk8.3-dev
[12:15] <matthew> also i have a hp5850 printer, it has 802.11b wireless support and it able to be shared with all my windows computers, does anyone know how to make it work in linux?
[12:19] <alka_trash> damn ubuntu is good!
[12:19] <brettcar> alka_trash: Welcome to the cult!
[12:20] <moyote> Light the fires. :-)
[12:20] <Sensebend> welcome!
[12:20] <alka_trash> I just plugged in my multi-disk reader and BAM! there is was 
[12:20] <Sensebend> now give $5 to all cult err users
[12:20] <moyote> I must say ubuntu is quite painless and smooth
[12:20] <jdub> Sensebend: gstreamer is a library/framework for multimedia applications to use
[12:21] <Sensebend> I switched from Sarge, so the transition wasn't bad at all
[12:21] <alka_trash> The only thing that I don't get is that my other hard drives don't show up in gnome under computer
[12:21] <Sensebend> are they in /etc/fstab?
[12:21] <alka_trash> Sensebend: yep
[12:21] <Sensebend> or mounted?
[12:21] <alka_trash> and they are mounted at /mnt/...
[12:22] <alka_trash> I can browse to them 
[12:22] <alka_trash> maybe I should try to unplug them while it's hot and hotplugg will detect them.  
[12:24] <jef1> Is there a way to load the Grub bootloader on a floppy, and start up with that?
[12:24] <GotD0t> where is the apache2 default htdocs directory?
[12:25] <jdub> GotD0t: /var/www (see /etc/apache2/ for the configuration)
[12:25] <ogra> GotD0t: /var/www
[12:25] <JoePenguin> I see that there is a tool for changing screen resolution. What about color depth?
[12:26] <jdub> JoePenguin: has to be done in the configuration file
[12:26] <jdub> the screen resolution gui thingy only applies to RandR
[12:26] <JoePenguin> oh ok
[12:27] <GotD0t> thanks
[12:28] <root___> hi guys
[12:28] <ogra> hi root :) how's administration ?
[12:28] <Lukhas> hehe
[12:28] <moyote> lo
[12:28] <root___> how can i install a .deb file, which is on my hdd?
[12:28] <brettcar> root___: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:28] <ogra> dpkg -i
[12:28] <srbaker> robster, dpkg -i
[12:28] <brettcar> root___: P.s. don't IRC as root
[12:28] <srbaker> grrr nick comp
[12:28] <srbaker> root___, dpkg -i
[12:28] <root___> ops
[12:29] <root___> sorry:)
[12:29] <srbaker> root___, are you using ubuntu
[12:29] <srbaker> ?
[12:29] <mjr> *sigh* there used to be a noble goal to be able to change color depth at will with XRandR also, but that's pretty much on hold
[12:29] <kmdr_winebago> ok i know you all need time to think cause this is serious, but maybe someone can help me?: hello i'm installing ubuntu as my second system on an ibm thinkpad r40e and the wiki says it works fine but i can't get it to boot. first it hung up on the frame buffer (?) so I added the extra parameter suggested in one of the helps. next time it hung up a step earlier, while setting up some kind of...
[12:29] <kmdr_winebago> ...logs. support, please.
[12:30] <alka_trash> I got it, it was a permissions issue in fstab ( doh ) 
[12:31] <riley> anybody else having problems viewing MPEG, DVD, and basically every kind of video in Totem?
[12:31] <siretart> kmdr_winebago: try adding "nolapic" to your boot options. my r40 works very unreliable with lapic
[12:31] <kmdr_winebago> siretart, unreliable, as in bad idea to install
[12:32] <spiv> riley: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <siretart> kmdr_winebago: havn't tried. mostly suspend and poweroff didn't work, freezes from time to time.. just give it a try..
[12:32] <kmdr_winebago> ok
[12:32] <riley> spiv: thanks
[12:33] <mr_tob> riley: set up a chroot 32bit environment and if you are successfull then tell me how it is working 
[12:35] <hazmat> what does sabdfl stand for?
[12:35] <hazmat> south african benevolent dictator for life?
[12:35] <sabdfl> hazmat: close
[12:35] <limaunion> riley: I get a blue screen in Totem but playing the file in works as it should
[12:35] <__daniel> limaunion, i get it too
[12:35] <riley> limaunion: weird
[12:35] <hazmat> hiya mark ... care to end the suspense?
[12:35] <__daniel> limaunion, you have to restart totem to get rid of it
[12:37] <ogra> hazmat: self applied ;)
[12:37] <hazmat> ah
[12:37] <hazmat> hehe
[12:37] <limaunion> I've restarted but it's the same, in fullscreen works ok...
[12:37] <rt> well, that was distracting.
[12:37] <rt> hard to cook and hack computers simultaneously.
[12:40] <limaunion> __daniel: I'm planning to install mplayer...
[12:40] <atariboy> you need a USB powered Ramen noodle cooker then
[12:40] <atariboy> ;)
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, i like totem better
[12:40] <rt> ramen is only cookng if you make the noodles yourself. :-)
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, the interface fits into the whole thing, mplayer is strange to me
[12:40] <toyowheelin> can you use grep to find all text matching one string but not matching another
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, but i won't stop you
[12:40] <RuffianSoldier> is there a way to make GKrellm HOrizontal?
[12:40] <atariboy> rt: who says? :P
[12:40] <limaunion> __daniel: I understand you, but this Totem bug...
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, it is although i didnt experience it with totem-gstreamer
[12:40] <ctalkep> hi guys
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, maybe i should file a bug against it
[12:40] <ctalkep> any idea why gdesklet ain't working? installed it through synaptic
[12:41] <__daniel> ctalkep, if you worked it out, tell me :-)
[12:41] <ctalkep> oh:(
[12:41] <limaunion> __daniel: yes, that would be a great idea, probably there're more people with the same problem
[12:41] <ctalkep> poor us....
[12:42] <__daniel> limaunion, hehe: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=totem+%22blue+screen%22&btnG=Suche&meta=
[12:42] <limaunion> __daniel: good catch!
[12:43] <moyote> Where are the menu fonts changed? 
[12:44] <ogra> limaunion: try opening the totem menu while playing in bluescreen 
[12:45] <StarScream> is there an application in ubuntu which will let me configure/use my speedtouch usb modem with pppoa? dmesg picks the device up
[12:48] <ogra> limaunion: does the bluescreen go away if you opened  a menu ?
[12:48] <limaunion> ogra: will try now and tell you
[12:49] <ogra> limaunion: i'm experiencing this as well, seems to be related to some overlay stuff....there seems to be no bug in bugzilla.gnome.org
[12:50] <dommi> how would ubuntu work as a media center 
[12:51] <limaunion> ogra: I can't reproduce now the same behavior, but I'm having another strange problem, if the movie is paused and inmediately un-paused I get 'an error ocurred: the audio device is busy. is another application using it?'
[12:52] <alf> hi - i've just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for a little help detecting my wireless card and soundblaster live platinum. tried a few things i found through google, but that hasn't helped so far. can anybody offer some advice?
[12:53] <moyote> alf: what wireless card? pci
[12:53] <ogra> limaunion: time to file a bug i think...
[12:53] <alf> yes, it's a pci card. just trying to remember if it's netgear or linksys - one of the two.
[12:53] <__daniel> limaunion, strange: working from the console makes it work for me
[12:54] <alf> netgear
[12:54] <moyote> alf: if it's a netgear, depending on the model, it may use the atheros driver which works in ubuntu. My card is a Netgear WG311 and no problems setting it up.
[12:54] <alf> yes, it's a wg311. what should i do to enable the drivers?
[12:55] <moyote> alf: Computer > System> Networking 
[12:55] <moyote> alf: are you using WEP?
[12:55] <limaunion> yes, will try to reproduce the sound error behavior with Xine, instead of Totem
[12:56] <ctalkep> how do i mount a fat32 partition?
[12:56] <AtnNn> mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /mnt/xxxx
[12:56] <alf> i've tried computer>system>networking, but there are no wireless devices showing up.
[12:56] <ctalkep> vfat..........that si weird:)
[12:57] <alf> yes, it's a WEP network
[12:57] <moyote> alf: you have to add the wireless info
[12:57] <limaunion> it's a Totem bug, Xine doesn't have this sound error...
[12:58] <ogra> limaunion: the bluescreen one neither
[12:58] <alf> moyote: what does that involve?
[12:58] <limaunion> ogra: yes, two Totem bugs... 
[12:59] <ogra> limaunion: totem-xine 
[12:59] <moyote> alf:the creating a new network connection will step you through the info. You need to know the name of your network and if you use wep, the key that you use.
[12:59] <limaunion> ogra: yes, you're right!
[01:00] <ctalkep> how come i mounted my winXp partition and now i cannot umount it? device is busy??
[01:00] <limaunion> ogra: can you reproduce the sound error bug ? just start any video and pause/un-pause inmediately
[01:01] <Eno_> ctalkep: if you're inside it move out of it, or try /etc/init.d/fam stop and try again
[01:01] <ctalkep> i am not inside it, so i'll try tha latter, 10x
[01:02] <__daniel> ctalkep, if your partition is called /bla and on /dev/hdc6 you can do   lsof | grep -E "(/bla|/dev/hdc6)"   to see what's using it
[01:03] <ctalkep> i'll try, thanks a lot
[01:03] <__daniel> de rien
[01:03] <ogra> limaunion: sound works here....
[01:03] <ogra> limaunion: no error
[01:04] <limaunion> ogra: ok
[01:04] <neodreams> Ubuntu rule :)
[01:06] <mazogs> hello
[01:06] <neodreams> hi :)
[01:06] <__daniel> hai
[01:06] <blacknyx> hey
[01:06] <limaunion> hola
[01:07] <mazogs> hello all, i have a cuestio abount ubuntu
[01:07] <neodreams> Bonjour
[01:07] <limaunion> cia
[01:07] <limaunion> ciao
[01:07] <mazogs> hola limaunion
[01:07] <neodreams> Allo
[01:07] <__daniel> mazogs, go ahead
[01:07] <limaunion> mazogs: hola!
[01:07] <mazogs> i cant install Xvnc in ubuntu why?
[01:08] <ogra> maze: it's already built in into gnome :)
[01:08] <__daniel> mazogs, what message do you get?
[01:08] <eruin> anyone know if gnome can use .ico files instead of .png for icon themes?
[01:09] <neodreams> no, i think
[01:09] <ogra> mazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop
[01:09] <eruin> crap
[01:09] <eruin> I notice I can use .ico files when manually selecting an icon in nautilus, but can't get them to work as themes
[01:09] <mazogs> Xvnc is not in vnc-common, a find that lots of packages are incomplete
[01:09] <mazogs> but i just want Xvnc....
[01:09] <ogra> eruin: yep, it's not windows
[01:10] <__daniel> eruin, just run   convert bla.ico bla.png
[01:10] <neodreams> you must use .svg or .png
[01:10] <eruin> convert doesnt handly transparency :/
[01:10] <ogra> mazogs: just enable it
[01:10] <eruin> "handle it well"
[01:10] <neodreams> or .xpm
[01:10] <mazogs> ogra: how?
[01:10] <ogra> mazogs: i wrote it above
[01:10] <__daniel> eruin, i just converted a transparent one
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, and i looks NICE to me :-)
[01:11] <eruin> yeah, and shadows look like shit, right?
[01:11] <neodreams> lol
[01:11] <eruin> __daniel: any special parameters you used?
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, none at all
[01:11] <eruin> was the icon dithered?
[01:11] <agwibowo> anyone know any application that looks like sticky note for gnome? kde has kdenotes... what about gnome ? I can't install kdenotes in Ubuntu for some reason...
[01:11] <ogra> mazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop
[01:11] <eruin> ie "gradient" transparency
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, erm
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, i guess you are asking the wrong person
[01:11] <eruin> ;>
[01:12] <__daniel> eruin, don't know what dithered or gradient means :-/
[01:12] <eruin> I'm working with a bit more advanced .ico's than what comes with windows here ;)
[01:12] <jef1> Grub 21 problem solved...Solved my own problem...I switched from using the raid ports to just using the IDE ports on the mobo and it is currently loading up. I was not running raid anyway so I just took out the extra hard drive and switched to an IDE port...hopefully smooth sailing now!
[01:12] <__daniel> eruin, i could mail both of them to you :-)
[01:12] <limaunion> agwibowo: try with gdesklets
[01:12] <eruin> spam away at oivind.hoel@gmail.com ;)
[01:12] <mazogs> ogra: i just want inetd call Xvnc
[01:12] <__daniel> jef1, *gratulate*
[01:12] <agwibowo> limaunion : thanks.. i'll try that
[01:13] <sander__> agwibowo, there's an awesome app called tomboy. You need to add a mono repository to get it.
[01:13] <ctalkep> has any of you guys ever succeeded to run WhereIsIt on linux?
[01:13] <agwibowo> sander: how to add the mono repository?
[01:13] <ogra> mazogs: ok , is your packagelist up to date (did you: sudo apt-get update recently)
[01:13] <ogra> ?
[01:13] <xenonite> hello, does so know how to apply the cool gtk2 theme "human" to the gtk1 applications?
[01:13] <mazogs> yes
[01:13] <__daniel> eruin, sent it out
[01:13] <mazogs> tonight
[01:13] <eruin> __daniel: cheers ;)
[01:14] <ogra> mazogs: universe enabled ?
[01:14] <mazogs> ogra: checking...
[01:14] <limaunion> agwibowo: np
[01:14] <eruin> __daniel: yeah, that's "undithered" transparency ;)
[01:14] <sander__> agwibowo, try http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002033.html
[01:14] <mazogs> ogra: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:14] <eruin> ie just two transparency states, no alpha layer
[01:15] <sander__> install the second repository and then install tomboy. It's pretty nice.
[01:15] <agwibowo> sander: thx
[01:15] <mazogs> ogra: services-admin is removed from gnome-system-tools also...why?
[01:15] <__daniel> eruin, i could do no better :-)
[01:15] <ogra> mazogs: its broken
[01:16] <__daniel> mazogs, there are some things in g-s-t that are no longer actively being developed
[01:16] <ogra> mazogs: so how exactly did you install
[01:16] <mazogs> i see..
[01:16] <ogra> mazogs: or tried to install
[01:16] <limaunion> agwibowo: look here: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=186
[01:16] <srbaker_> is there a graphical tool for editing runlevels?
[01:17] <mazogs> ogra: apt-get install vnc-common
[01:17] <will> rrrrrun
[01:17] <mazogs> ogra: says is already installed, but i cant find Xvnc
[01:18] <ogra> mazogs: try x11vnc
[01:18] <mazogs> ogra: ok
[01:18] <agwibowo> limaunion: kewl.. thx
[01:18] <Skif> how can I add an icon to open an arbitrary folder to the launch bar?
[01:18] <Skif> I can see how to add specific directories from the "Add to Panel..." dialog, but not any random one I care to put up there
[01:19] <mazogs> ogra: it seems x11vnc exports current session, it is not what i need :(
[01:19] <ogra> mazogs: what about vncserver ?
[01:21] <mazogs> ogra: checking...
[01:22] <ogra> mazogs: works without display
[01:22] <Skif> Is this one of those "you can't get here from there" things, or am I just being dense?
[01:23] <mazogs> ogra: i'm downloading vncserver
[01:24] <mazogs> agra: can i use sid's apt-sources to move to sid or will it mess everything?
[01:25] <blacknyx> dumb question but im new to umbuntu, are all of the stable packages in debian ages old? 
[01:25] <srbaker_> blacknyx, in debian stable?  yes.
[01:25] <brettcar> blacknyx: Yes, but what does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[01:26] <blacknyx> I've been told that is where I should go to get applications I need for Ubuntu
[01:26] <ogra> mazogs: you'll end up with a debian sid box ;) and it will be hard to get support for such a tweaked system
[01:26] <Skif> blacknyx: you were told wrong, it's a bad idea
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: where do you go for your apps?
[01:26] <blacknyx> So where would you reccomend my looking?  I'm used to searching for SuSe rpms
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Ubuntu has all the apps you'll ever want
[01:27] <Skif> brett: nope-- it doesn't have audacity
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Run Synaptic and change the repository settings
[01:27] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: sudo apt-get update && man apt-get
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Enable the universe repository
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Update. Enjoy.
[01:27] <ogra> mazogs: i guess it would break a lot too
[01:27] <mazogs> ogra: at least i have Xvnc :) thanks!
[01:28] <khronic> Skif, "Add to panel" -> Custom Launcher ...command "nautilus /whatever/path/you/want"...this should open up that path in a window
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: audacity - A fast, cross-platform audio editor
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: It looks like its there to me.
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: You need to add the universe repository to your sources list and upgrade and you'll be all set.
[01:30] <HaRDaWaY> hooola
[01:30] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:30] <Skif> brettcar: $ apt-cache show audacity
[01:30] <Skif> W: Unable to locate package audacity
[01:30] <Skif> E: No packages found
[01:30] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[01:30] <xenonite> cya, i am leaving...
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: Did you add universe?
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: and apt-get update?
[01:30] <Skif> brett: and multiverse
[01:30] <blacknyx> FLeiXiuS: thank you
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: Then you broke something because apt-cache search audacity works fine
[01:31] <Skif> I am, however, using lamont's repository... maybe he doens't have everything
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> Skif sudo apt-cache search audacity
[01:31] <HaRDaWaY> one question, i only have two repositories on my sources.list, where i can find more to add to my sources.list ?
[01:31] <Skif> which doesn't make sense to me, but maybe
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> HaRDaWaY which repo's would u like to add?
[01:31] <Skif> Flexius: $ apt-cache search audacity
[01:31] <Skif> $
[01:31] <Moof> FLeiXiuS: apt-cache deosn't need search
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, have you correctly added the universe
[01:32] <HaRDaWaY> FLeiXiuS, mmm i need some repository with evidence for example..
[01:32] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, I'm quite sure
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> HaRDaWaY http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> Skif and apt is updated correctly?
[01:32] <HaRDaWaY> ok thanks
[01:32] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, as I said, I added it correctly
[01:33] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, not the sources.lst, sudo apt-get update
[01:33] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: I've been a DD for, well, I'm not sure, but several years now; I know what I'm doing.
[01:33] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, I haven't doubted your abilities
[01:33] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, I've done the #*&!ing update, okay?
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> Hmm...
[01:34] <Skif> when I say it ain't there, it ain't there
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> How do I know your situation, some people over look the most obvious!  How dare you insault me while begging for support...not a great way to reach what your looking for..
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, May I suggest google
[01:35] <vernon> Hey, sorry for the stupid question, but I just set up Ubuntu for my granddad and I'm trying to install gPhoto. I go to run a ./configure and it says there is no C compiler in the path. Surely Ubuntu coems with a C compiler?
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> I'm no longer of assistance for yo
[01:35] <ogra> Skif: regarding whats going on in debian i wouldn't base "i know what i'm" doing on being a DD ;)
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> vernon yes, sudo apt-get install g++
[01:35] <vernon> Alright, thanks a bunch.
[01:35] <LinuxJones> vernon, install build-essential
[01:35] <Skif> ogra: perhaps not, but come on, knowing to do an apt-get update is pretty basic
[01:35] <ajmitch_> audacity looks to be in universe according to the mirror
[01:36] <will> ubuntu has sold me on linux!
[01:36] <will> been using it for a while now :)
[01:36] <Skif> which is funny, given that he's the buildmeister, but go figure
[01:36] <will> but a few small problems still.....grr
[01:36] <ogra> Skif: ok, but debian hs gotten strange the last years
[01:36] <LinuxJones> will, what is wrong ?
[01:37] <Skif> ogra: strange... I dunno, just very large
[01:37] <will> still my lp0 problem
[01:37] <maswan> Skif: It is there in my universe mirror
[01:37] <will> no printer...such a simple thing!
[01:37] <LinuxJones> will, oh god 
[01:37] <ogra> Skif: too large ;)
[01:37] <FLeiXiuS> will, printers in linux aren't so simple :-P
[01:37] <ogra> Skif: to move at least
[01:37] <FLeiXiuS> We try with ease to make them simple
[01:37] <will> its an old OKIDATA 4w Laser
[01:38] <FLeiXiuS> That would make a huge difference...I may suggest reading the forums/posting...there have been several printer fix's 
[01:38] <will> there is even a built in driver...but no parallel port!
[01:38] <will> fleixius: will check
[01:39] <vernon> Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Y'all keep up the good work.
[01:39] <maswan> Skif: ah, in an unfortunate place bandwidth-wise?
[01:39] <FLeiXiuS> Which mirror?
[01:39] <Skif> maswan: yeah, I get charged for bandwidth above a certain base; lamont's on the same network I am, so we dont' have to pay to swap bits :)
[01:40] <Skif> fleixius: it's a private mirror
[01:40] <Skif> it's firewalled off from everybody else anyway
[01:40] <maswan> Skif: Ah, good for you. I'm kind of similar (don't use more than about a gig a day), but locally peered networks are free. This includes the swedish university network though, so almost everything is mirrored within reach. :)
[01:41] <Tenniru> Uh... according to ye ole Synaptic Package Manager, gsnes9x needs something called snes9x-x. This is not on Universe or whatever. What do I do?
[01:41] <Skif> maswan: heh... yeah, that's a nice large "local" network. :)
[01:41] <maswan> Skif: also a good motivator for mirroring stuff at the university computer club. ;)
[01:41] <Skif> heh
[01:41] <FLeiXiuS> Tenniru http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/snes9x-x
[01:42] <Tenniru> Oh. There.
[01:42] <FLeiXiuS> C-Ya Later Everyoe
[01:42] <Skif> yeah, okay, that seems to have been the problem
[01:42] <axehat> I got a new Kodak DX7440 camera here. Wondering how I can browse the photos located therein. I checked the Device Manager and the USB port picks it up and labels it fine.
[01:42] <Tenniru> Got that, but it's a .deb. What do I do with a .deb?
[01:42] <Tenniru> I'm a clueless newbie, yes.
[01:42] <FLeiXiuS> Tenniru sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:42] <samiam> has anyone seen an XML parsing error when you try to run firefox using ubuntu?
[01:42] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[01:43] <FLeiXiuS> no problem
[01:43] <FLeiXiuS> talk to you later guys, 
[01:43] <Skif> samiam: hrm, what arch?  I've seen that on debian, with a buggy libgnome
[01:44] <samiam> XML Parsing ERRor: undefined entity is the error.... Using Ubuntu....
[01:44] <Tenniru> Errorse were occured while processing.
[01:44] <axehat> I checked around and gPhoto doesn't seem to have support for this new camera. Is there any way I can explore the files located on it or am I going to be forced to get a Win install going?
[01:44] <Tenniru> I got the PPC version, since I am on an iBook. 
[01:44] <ogra> Tenniru: try adding multiverse to synaptic
[01:44] <Tenniru> *errors
[01:44] <Tenniru> How do I do this?
[01:44] <samiam> I deinstalled mozilla-firefox and reinstalled and the error seems to have come back
[01:45] <ogra> Tenniru: know how to get to the repository lists in synaptic ?
[01:45] <dawnfading> hi 
[01:45] <Tenniru> Yes.
[01:46] <samiam> Skif: has anyone else reported this... seems strange to reinstall it and see the same problem...
[01:46] <Skif> samiam: what architecture are you running?
[01:46] <ogra> Tenniru: go to the fourth entry and add multiverse to the line: main restricted universe 
[01:46] <samiam> i386
[01:46] <Skif> samiam: hrm, haven't seen it.  Try moving your ~/.firefox to ~/.firefox-bak and run it again, see if it still does that
[01:47] <ogra> Tenniru: reload your packagelists and you'll find snes9-x
[01:47] <samiam> will do thanks for the suggestion
[01:47] <dawnfading> i have a question about displaying Japanese in browsers such as firefox etc
[01:47] <dawnfading> (with ubuntu)
[01:47] <dawnfading> characters (kanji, kana) all seem pretty blurred
[01:48] <dawnfading> does anyone has some ideas why this happens?
[01:50] <__daniel> i have a question about persian or arabic fonts: how can i change the default font for displaying them? the characters all seem pretty bold
[01:50] <__daniel> (and for _me_ hardly readable)
[01:50] <Tenniru> Yay, it works.
[01:50] <samiam> Skif: that was it but i had to move ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/firefox_old
[01:51] <dawnfading> perhaps i should add, that if i past the same characters in openoffice, they look just fine
[01:51] <Skif> samiam: okay, I'm still used to debian packages, which use ~/.firefox.  Glad you fixed it.
[01:51] <dawnfading> so it must be somethign browser related
[01:51] <dawnfading> ...?
[01:51] <Skif> samiam: you can probably safely copy your bookmarks from ~/.mozilla/firefox_old to the current one
[01:52] <blacknyx> If I install a prog, should i be installing it's development files also? 
[01:52] <samiam> Skif: actually this is a recent change the firefox people have made... you will probably see it in regular debian soon... Anyway thanks for the suggestion!
[01:52] <Tenniru> Okay... gsnes9x installed, but where is it?
[01:52] <__daniel> dawnfading, how are they displayed in the character map?
[01:52] <Skif> samiam: maybe; the debian firefox packager explicitly moved it to ~/.firefox; he may or may not pick that change up.
[01:52] <ogra> Tenniru: /usr/games probably
[01:53] <__daniel> blacknyx, not unless you use them for compiling
[01:53] <blacknyx> Okay
[01:53] <axehat> Is there a way to manually browse the files on a digital camera? Device Manager shows that it is picking up the camera, but the latest gPhoto does not have support for this camera model. I'm makeing gPhoto now just to try, but I was wondering if I could get to the files normally.
[01:54] <dawnfading> let me check daniel
[01:54] <jdub> axehat: you should be able to browse it with nautilus
[01:54] <mario> someone has a repository with libfastrack-gift plugin? or a url with this package :D
[01:54] <dawnfading> they're displayed just great there
[01:54] <jdub> axehat: Computer > Disks
[01:54] <__daniel> dawnfading, hmm
[01:54] <ogra> axehat: www.grawert.net/software/pimp/ ;) (needs universe enabled)
[01:55] <dawnfading> although that when the size is small
[01:55] <dawnfading> i get these funny red and green borders next to it
[01:55] <Terk> Hi , i'm having trouble mounting a smbfs resource
[01:55] <Terk> the correct module is loaded
[01:55] <dawnfading> which indicates the same problem i'm having in the browser
[01:55] <__daniel> dawnfading, it's the same thing for arabic characters: i have fonts which look nice and others which don't, i don't know how to set a nice default
[01:56] <Terk> but i keep getting  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[01:56] <dawnfading> you also get the color effects daniel?
[01:56] <axehat> Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it.
[01:56] <__daniel> apart from that i can't find a nice arabic locale, i can choose for the gnome desktop
[01:56] <__daniel> dawnfading, no
[01:57] <Terk> Anyone?
[01:58] <dawnfading> i checked the arabic characters, and they do seem slightly better
[01:59] <dawnfading> it really shows with for instance the thai characters
[01:59] <Terk> Can anybody help with my smbfs problem??
[02:00] <__daniel> Terk, how do you try to mount it?
[02:01] <jdub> __daniel: to change the 'preferred' font for arabic, you need to modify /etc/fonts/*.conf
[02:01] <__daniel> jdub, oh alright - that'll make learning arabic much easier ;-)
[02:01] <axehat> Alright, Nautilus isn't showing the camera as a disk. At the pimp page is says to get libgtk2-perl and libintl-perl before installing pimp. How do I get those files? I'm rather new to Debian and a 'apt-get install libgtk2-perl' didn't come up.
[02:01] <ozan> hi, while trying to open a file i get a warning like this "Cannot open Voting_Machine.wmv .... the file might present a security risk to your system. ..." i really don't want to see this warning everytime i try to open a video file. is there a way rm it?
[02:01] <alka_trash> It's too bad that gnome didn't use this structure
[02:02] <__daniel> jdub, you know how which arabic locale i could choose which is "supported by" gnome?
[02:02] <jdub> __daniel: not sure
[02:02] <jdub> perhaps ask in #i18n on gimpnet
[02:03] <__daniel> jdub, thanks - that's a good idea
[02:04] <dawnfading> daniel, can't you change that during login when changing language
[02:04] <dawnfading> (doesn't it change locale as well?)
[02:05] <agwibowo> anyone know where i can get latex for ubuntu?
[02:05] <__daniel> dawnfading, i chose all the arabic locales (using dpkg-reconfigure locales) in turn and switched them on during login, but a message box always told me "not supported - go away" :)
[02:05] <agwibowo> i tried apt-get install latex it does not find it
[02:06] <__daniel> agwibowo, try the tetex-* packages
[02:06] <LinuxJones> agwibowo, you have to add the universe repository 
[02:07] <dawnfading> wish i could help daniel, but i'm afraid there's still too much newbie blood running through my vains
[02:07] <agwibowo> ok... thanks.. i'll try that
[02:07] <dawnfading> veins
[02:07] <__daniel> dawnfading, thanks for helping me anyway :-)
[02:08] <axehat> I'm trying to install 'pimp', and I added 'deb blah blah blah' to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but I'm not able to install libgtk2-perl or the other needed library before installing. 
[02:08] <WW> agwibowo: No, I don't think you need universe for tex.  
[02:08] <__daniel> axehat, you did   sudo apt-get update  ?
[02:08] <WW> agwibowo: Look for tetex-* in Synaptic. I have tetex-bin, tetex-base and tetex-extra, and latex works fine.
[02:09] <axehat> Ah, I was trying 'install' instead of the 'update'
[02:09] <__daniel> axehat, sudo apt-get update   then    sudo apt-get install <your package of desire>
[02:10] <axehat> Alright. Thanks a bunch. I was told earlier that Nautilus should be able to browse the files on my digital camera, but it doesn't seem to be able to. Would that be caused by the camera being so new?
[02:11] <jdub> axehat: it depends on whether your camera provides a usb-storage interface or not
[02:11] <jdub> that's the usual reason for gthumb not working
[02:12] <jdub> in which case, you can just use nautilus
[02:12] <jdub> but if your camera is not supported by gphoto at all, and doesn't have a usb-storage interface, you're just out of luck :)
[02:12] <axehat> It isn't listed under "Disks". How would I know if it has a usb-storage interface?
[02:13] <jdub> it should appear under disks if it does ;)
[02:13] <jdub> check device manager
[02:13] <jdub> see if there's a volume and so on under the usb camera device tree
[02:13] <axehat> It comes up fine in device manager.
[02:13] <axehat> Hrm, doesn't look like a volume is listed there.
[02:13] <__daniel> axehat, try   tail -f /var/log/syslog  and re-plug-it-in
[02:13] <jdub> it might, but what's under it is important :)
[02:14] <axehat> USB PTP interface?
[02:14] <bern> ogra: i finally got all my stuff working
[02:14] <agwibowo> interestingly... universe does not have tetex-base
[02:14] <__daniel> bern, ogra just flew out
[02:14] <agwibowo> so i can't install latex
[02:15] <dawnfading> goodnite guys
[02:15] <bern> __daniel: lol i was looking almost at the top of the page
[02:15] <bern> __daniel: didn't realize i wasn't scrolled to the bottom, i was like wtf
[02:15] <axehat> Okay I did the 'tail' and it shows "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 8"
[02:15] <Mr_Smiley> haha i do that sometimes ;P
[02:15] <__daniel> agwibowo, it is definitely in ubuntu
[02:16] <WW> agwibowo: It is main, not universe.  My tetex-base even has a little Ubuntu logo next to it.
[02:16] <__daniel> axehat, any other lines? anything funny?
[02:16] <agwibowo> oh ok
[02:17] <bern> i got kde3.2 working on ubuntu now, can anyone recommend some useful aplets ?
[02:17] <axehat> It looks like libgphoto tries to do something but looks like it fails.
[02:17] <agwibowo> kewl
[02:17] <agwibowo> thanks guys
[02:18] <agwibowo> i've found latex
[02:18] <agwibowo> hehe
[02:18] <WW> bern: That's funny... why did you install KDE if you don't know what to do with it? :-)
[02:18] <__daniel> axehat, any special message?
[02:18] <agwibowo> anymore interesting apps that any of u suggested?
[02:18] <__daniel> agwibowo, pdflatex :-)
[02:18] <agwibowo> oh definitely
[02:18] <agwibowo> hehehe
[02:18] <axehat> postfix/local[12538] : fatal: open database /etc/aliase s.db: No such file or directory
[02:18] <WW> agwibowo: If you don't mind running a KDE package, I've been using kile lately to edit my latex files.
[02:18] <bern> WW: i like kde better than gnome
[02:19] <bern> WW: just personal preference
[02:19] <axehat> A few lines like that.
[02:19] <agwibowo> WW: is kile an editor for latex ?
[02:19] <WW> bern: Yah, I know... just goofing.
[02:19] <WW> agwibowo: Yes.
[02:19] <agwibowo> oooo
[02:19] <agwibowo> ic.
[02:19] <__daniel> axehat, that's another issue (has nothing to do with the camera): just do    sudo postalias /etc/aliases   
[02:19] <agwibowo> hhehehe
[02:19] <agwibowo> any latex editor for gnome ?? :P
[02:19] <__daniel> agwibowo, gedit :-)
[02:20] <agwibowo> ok...
[02:20] <WW> agwibowo: I asked the same question once, and some answered "emacs".
[02:20] <Skif> There's always latex-mode :)
[02:20] <agwibowo> ehehehe i'm a vim user
[02:20] <__daniel> agwibowo, only thing is: it doesnt handle \$ and \% well - it displays them as start of comments
[02:20] <agwibowo> ic
[02:21] <__daniel> axehat, any other photo related stuff?
[02:21] <__daniel> axehat, or well usb related
[02:21] <Chris> Would a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?
[02:21] <axehat> After I did the postalias no other messages come up in the 'tail'
[02:21] <WW> Skif: I tried lyx briefly.  It seemed semi-wysiwyg. It has its own file format, so it would be tough to share files with co-authors who don't use lyx.
[02:23] <axehat> Alright gThumb is now loading the pictures.
[02:23] <axehat> You guys rock. Thanks a lot
[02:24] <__daniel> axehat, what about the replugin thing of your camera, does it display something special then?
[02:25] <WW> Just 52 people in the room. I haven't seen it this quiet in a long time.
[02:25] <WW> Whoa, welcome back.
[02:25] <LinuxJones> there we go
[02:25] <Tenniru> How do I move a file to where it would appear in the "games" menu in Applications?
[02:25] <WW> Tenniru: You don't move the file, instead you just add a menu entry.
[02:26] <WW> Tenniru: See the wiki FAQ.  Look near the bottom.
[02:26] <Sensebend> completely offtopic
[02:26] <Sensebend> but man is giganews slow for me today
[02:26] <Chris> Perhaps I should repeat my question, given the server oddities...
[02:26] <Chris> Would a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?
[02:26] <Tenniru> Uh... hello?
[02:26] <Sensebend> getting 16KB/s :S
[02:27] <WW> Tenniru: Or even easier... go to Applications->Games, and right-click in the menu.
[02:27] <Tenniru> I hope this isn't a usual occurence. 
[02:27] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[02:28] <WW> Tenniru: Then select Entire menu -> Add new item to this menu
[02:28] <Tenniru> I got it.
[02:31] <LinuxJones> Chris, this might be of some help >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html
[02:32] <Chris> LinuxJones: thanks  :-)
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Chris, it's not exactly what your looking for but the information is in there to get you started :)
[02:33] <ozan> is there a dep where i can install mldonkey or any other p2p programs?
[02:33] <MyKq3> hello:) . Does any one here knows how can i use to sound chanels on the same time ( like to hear music and on the same time to hear the GAIM telling ya that u have new massage ) 
[02:33] <TMM> ozan: mldonkey has debian packages on their server
[02:34] <Chris> Hmmm... I'm presuming that's it's possible to use Nautilus to browse Windows shares, but I'm not finding any information on how to.  The information provided is nice, but being able to generalize it for any shares on that server would be nice too.  
[02:34] <TMM> MyKq3: if you use ALSA it is 
[02:34] <ogra> ozan: emule is in universe
[02:34] <TMM> ogra: emule sucks... bad :)
[02:34] <ogra> ozan: sorry it's called xmule actually
[02:34] <TMM> xmule sucks too :P
[02:34] <Pizbit> Chris: Computer -> Network
[02:35] <ogra> TMM: but it's still easy to use
[02:35] <mojo_> hey
[02:35] <Pizbit> Chris: You'll need to have samba installed
[02:35] <mojo_> y u guys switch to LimeWire?
[02:35] <TMM> if you want something to work, get some sort of gift client 
[02:35] <MyKq3> TMM,  i m useing alsa... but i still can't hear two sound chanels  :\
[02:35] <TMM> gift is totally awsome, 
[02:35] <Chris> Pizbit: Took care of that 15 minutes ago with apt-get  :-)
[02:35] <mojo_> LimeWire is 10x faster for MP3 download
[02:35] <TMM> MyKq3: in what programs can you and can't you?
[02:35] <ogra> mojo_: needs java
[02:36] <TMM> mojo_: that's "gnutella is 10x faster than eDonkey"
[02:36] <mojo_> true, but it's worth it
[02:36] <TMM> mojo_: gift with gnutella plugins is just as fast as limewire is
[02:36] <ozan> what is the debian server address? where can i learn it?
[02:36] <mojo_> go searhc around google and find the PRO version
[02:36] <MyKq3> if i hear sounds only from one program at a time 
[02:36] <TMM> MyKq3: with *all* programs?
[02:36] <MyKq3> i i hear sounds only from one program at a time **
[02:37] <MyKq3> TMM,  yeah
[02:37] <TMM> MyKq3: ok, try running gstreamer-properties and setting all that stuff to "alsa"
[02:37] <TMM> MyKq3: wait, that might not work at all
[02:38] <TMM> MyKq3: I guess you are bitten by a bug in debian sarge, where it detetcs your soundcard and insmod's the modules for both oss and alsa
[02:38] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay .... what do i  need to do to make it work
[02:38] <TMM> MyKq3: then you'll only be able to use good 'ol oss
[02:39] <TMM> MyKq3: you can test it by rmmoding everything that looks like a sound driver
[02:39] <TMM> MyKq3: then reload your alsa stuff and see if it's working
[02:40] <MyKq3> TMM,   u mean with  gstreamer-propertie ?
[02:40] <TMM> MyKq3: if it is then you'll either have to do it the proper way or the quick way, the quick way being rmming the oss drivers from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ the proper way being somehow disabling hotplug to load them, which I have been unable to do
[02:40] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, what soundcard do you have ?
[02:41] <MyKq3> hum i think its an old soundblaster 
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: err, no...
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: I mean with "rmmod" in a terminal
[02:42] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  i can give ya the cardz model number
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: are you familiar with that?
[02:43] <MyKq3> TMM,  not really ... i think i will go back to google to look for some gaides on that 
[02:43] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you can do an lsmod and see which sound modules are loaded
[02:44] <TMM> MyKq3: well... than this is going to be a bad experience for you
[02:44] <TMM> MyKq3: let me see if I can get some workaround for you
[02:44] <MyKq3> TMM,  thanks
[02:45] <ygnome> If someone has accidentally d/l the 'live' ubuntu CD, is there anyway to run the install from it?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you can then prevent the driver(s) from being loaded by blacklisting them. (although this should have been done already)
[02:45] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  all the SND_xxx r the sounds models .... right ?
[02:45] <TMM> MyKq3: those are the "good" modules
[02:45] <TMM> MyKq3: the alsa ones
[02:45] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, the snd_** ones are alsa drivers
[02:45] <TMM> ok, this is what you *could* try
[02:45] <TMM> everybody here is going to hate me for suggesting this, but what the hell :)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you  need to disable the oss drivers from being loaded as alsa will not work with them loaded
[02:46] <TMM> become root, cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sound
[02:46] <TMM> and mv the "oss" dir someplace safe, root's homedir 'be fine
[02:46] <TMM> then run a depmod -A and reboot
[02:47] <TMM> this is, if you don't want to learn about blacklisting drivers and the like
[02:47] <TMM> lol, shouldn't that be "a script that was accidently ran" ?
[02:47] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay i guess i will try that 
[02:48] <TMM> MyKq3: this is *not* 'the linux way' or anything, this is what us proffesionals call "quick and dirty"
[02:48] <TMM> :)
[02:48] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you could also add oss to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file and re-boot
[02:48] <booshi> i just installed ubuntu, and i have a few questions (linux newbie)
[02:48] <TMM> LinuxJones: wouldn't that just disable the alsa OSS compatibility modules?
[02:49] <__daniel> booshi, fire away
[02:49] <TMM> LinuxJones: which you *do* want :)
[02:49] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  :) 
[02:49] <TMM> LinuxJones: you are right
[02:49] <TMM> MyKq3: LinuxJones is right, I was talking out of my ass
[02:49] <MyKq3> hum... and that  is that u call the blacklist ?
[02:49] <LinuxJones> try first :D
[02:50] <TMM> LinuxJones: my humble apologies: )
[02:50] <MyKq3> okay i m ont he job thanks :D
[02:50] <LinuxJones> TMM, it might work :)
[02:50] <TMM> MyKq3: you'll need to know *what* driver to blacklist though
[02:50] <TMM> I have the blacklist for debian sid here, which seems to work for most systems
[02:50] <booshi> i put ubuntu on the second hdd of this desktop, and 80gb drive, the first has windows.  after the install when i select XP from the list this is all i get: root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 and then nothing happens
[02:51] <TMM> well, I never experienced the problem on debian sid...
[02:51] <TMM> MyKq3: I'll put it online somewhere, replace your /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base with that one and reboot
[02:51] <TMM> MyKq3: might just do it
[02:52] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay thanks
[02:52] <__daniel> booshi, there's something in the bugzilla about it, but i'm not familiar with those things at all.. lemme lookup the number
[02:52] <TMM> MyKq3: http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/alsa-base
[02:53] <__daniel> booshi, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1566
[02:53] <booshi> i dont understand how it affected the drive that i wasnt even installing on
[02:54] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay i sould reboot now ... so the BlackList will load ... right  ?
[02:55] <MyKq3> TMM,  can i ask one more thing.... how can i know which model i should add to the black list  ?....
[02:55] <TMM> MyKq3: see what drivers are loaded with "lsmod"
[02:56] <TMM> MyKq3: and see if there's an oss module in there somewhere
[02:56] <MyKq3> yeah i c them 
[02:57] <gdarel> Afternoon all
[02:57] <LinuxJones> hi gdarel
[02:57] <TMM> MyKq3: if everything is in order, this blacklist file should have all the modules of oss in it
[02:57] <booshi> also, how can i access the first drive (ntfs) through ubuntu?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> gdarel, night here :)
[02:57] <gdarel> I have a real dumb question.....
[02:57] <gdarel> Almost night here too (seattle)
[02:58] <MyKq3> TMM,  u r right i should hop for the best 
[02:58] <TMM> gdarel: so, it's 3am here... what's your point?
[02:58] <gdarel> How do I log in as root? 
[02:58] <TMM> MyKq3: if it doesn't work, I'll look at the output of your lsmod, and see what's going on
[02:58] <LinuxJones> gdarel, there si no default root acoount
[02:58] <MyKq3> c ya soon  and thanks TMM and  LinuxJones  and all the other good ppl here
[02:58] <TMM> gdarel: i believe that the ubuntu way is "you don't" and you just run all the apps using sudo
[02:59] <gdarel> OK then I am confused....
[02:59] <TMM> gdarel: that being said, I hate that, so you can just type "sudo passwd" with the user you made witth te ubunto setup, and set  a password for root so you can login
[02:59] <LinuxJones> gdarel, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[02:59] <gdarel> In KDE for instance when I go to set up KB3 it asks for a password
[03:00] <booshi> so no one can help me get back into XP/onto the drive it's on?  because i cant do either
[03:00] <mojo_> gdarel: u can get rid of sudo way, by doing this way sudo passwd root, then type in password for root
[03:01] <LinuxJones> booshi, sorry I don't run any MS products
[03:01] <__daniel> booshi, try #ubuntu-devel - and read the bugreport i told you about
[03:01] <bur[n] er> booshi: u can't boot xp?
[03:01] <mojo_> gdarel: next time, you just type in "su" to switch to root (remember to type in correct password)
[03:01] <mojo_> honestly to say, I HATE sudo way!!!
[03:02] <bur[n] er> mojo_: so don't use it
[03:02] <mojo_> I did, ehehe
[03:02] <bur[n] er> su in a shell and go from there
[03:02] <TMM> booshi: what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <mojo_> I wish someone that created the icon theme for FireFox make a GNOME theme based on that style
[03:08] <bur[n] er> mojo_: make it :)
[03:08] <bur[n] er> you've got a back/forward button already
[03:09] <Lathiat> mojo_: There is an industrial theme for firefox
[03:10] <Keybuk> mojo_: I'd be surprised if someone hasn't by now
[03:15] <MyKq3> TMM,  it does not seems to work  :\
[03:16] <MyKq3> TMM,  I justed tryed to lunch TOTEM with Rhythmbox and i got an error from Totem  :\
[03:17] <bulio> I just ordered 4 ubuntu cds
[03:17] <bulio> any idea how long they take to recieve?
[03:17] <Lathiat> bulio: I suspect it will be a bit, release has only just come out, but no idea on an actual EA
[03:17] <Lathiat> *ETA
[03:18] <bulio> ok
[03:18] <bulio> thanks
[03:19] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, have you run gstreamer-properties and selected alsa ?
[03:20] <MyKq3> Linux yeah 
[03:20] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah *
[03:21] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  i recive an error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"
[03:21] <angie75> hi there
[03:21] <sgtshatta> I have a simple question?
[03:22] <Tenniru> I don't. How do I get Ubuntu to identify my iBook (Dual USB)'s internal mic?
[03:22] <sgtshatta> i added a directory to my /etc/profile but my $PATH did not change
[03:22] <sgtshatta> even after I rebooted
[03:22] <angie75> I would like to share a dsl connection with ubuntu (two eth cards) ... any suggestions?
[03:22] <ozan> i installed mldonkey from debian testing deb. but it installed all its files to /etc/apt/ but i don't really want them there. any solution?
[03:23] <ozan> s/deb/dep
[03:23] <Tenniru> DEAR MR. UBUNTU DESIGNER. HOW DO YOU TYPE WITH BOXING GLOVES ON?
[03:23] <angie75> mmmhhh ozan... I usually install mldonkey compiling it... 
[03:24] <angie75> it's quite automated
[03:24] <ozan> hmm ok, i will do it like u do. ty
[03:25] <WW> ozan: There are packages in universe called mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server.  Perhaps use those instead of the debian package?
[03:26] <angie75> ozan: after you install it, you have to run it always from the same direcototy... it writes the .ini files there
[03:26] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  do u think i should try to install and use aRtsd ?
[03:27] <ozan> i tell synaptic to remove the mldonkey-server completely but after that it doesn't remove program files from /etc/apt is there a problem?
[03:28] <angie75> ozan: try with apt-get remove moldonkey-server --purge
[03:29] <ozan> ok
[03:37] <geppy> okay
[03:37] <geppy> This is getting on my nerves.
[03:37] <geppy> Ubuntu, fresh install.
[03:38] <geppy> GAIM, told to tab everything in one window, insists on making two windows for every AIM conversation.
[03:38] <geppy> The IRC chats are fine being together, but the AIM conversations ALL make two windows with the same data in each.
[03:38] <Pizbit> heh
[03:39] <Pizbit> Most odd
[03:39] <geppy> never happened before.
[03:40] <geppy> Thought that it might have been because I copied my old ~/.gaim over, but I've changed all of the tab settings.
[03:40] <angie75> bye
[03:40] <Pizbit> I copied my old .gaim over and it worked fine
[03:40] <geppy> old ~/.gaim from rh9, fc1, fc2, fc3, debian, none of them ever messed up.
[03:40] <Keybuk> try nuking your .gaim, but saving the logs and blist.xml ?
[03:40] <geppy> Yeah, I'm confused.
[03:42] <geppy> k
[03:43] <mojo_> hey I heard that Stephen is working on a project to make 100% GNOME theme based on his icons theme for FireFox 1.0 PR, hehe at least I can see the light for a pro GUI
[03:48] <Mitario> lo everyone
[03:48] <__daniel> hi :-)
[03:49] <LinuxJones> hi Mitario
[03:50] <__daniel> have a good night everyone
[03:50] <geppy> 'night
[03:51] <ogra> nicght ;)
[03:51] <__daniel> :-)
[03:51] <geppy> I nuked my prefs.xml, and the problem's gone.
[03:51] <geppy> unfortunately, when I copy my evolution over, it doesn't work, but I'll figure it out.
[03:52] <Keybuk> yeah, evo doesn't like you doing that
[03:52] <Keybuk> the .evolution is more of a cache, the config is in .conf/apps/evolution
[03:52] <geppy> oh
[03:52] <Keybuk>                                                     ^^^^^
[03:53] <geppy> well, if I copy that over, too, should it work?
[03:53] <Keybuk>                                                     .gconf
[03:53] <Keybuk> lots and lots of things will go wrong
[03:53] <geppy> oh
[03:53] <Keybuk> just import the files
[03:53] <Keybuk> put it somewhere sensible, and import the .ics files and whatnot
[03:53] <geppy> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. =)
[03:53] <geppy> "The Application "evolution-exchange-storage" has quit unexpectedly."
[03:53] <geppy> hmph
[03:54] <geppy> Even without, it complains all over the place, though.
[03:54] <geppy> "(evolution:30534): evolution-smime-WARNING **: initializing security library without cert databases."
[03:54] <Keybuk> makes sense
[03:55] <geppy> oops
[03:55] <geppy> the first one is the one that I don't like so much
[03:57] <geppy> Are there any debian-based distros that aren't relatively out of date?
[03:57] <geppy> I mean, even Red Hat has 2.8 out.
[03:58] <toothpick> Greets
[03:58] <LinuxJones> geppy, how much more up to date can you get than this ?
[03:58] <geppy> 2.6.8?
[03:58] <geppy> oh, nevermind
[03:58] <geppy> forgive me, please
[03:58] <geppy> I'm just being silly.
[03:58] <ogra> lol
[03:58] <geppy> :)
[03:58] <ogra> sorry
[03:58] <LinuxJones> geppy, the Ubuntu pre-release had Gnome 2.8 the day IT was released
[03:59] <geppy> Yeah, I wasn't thinking straight.  I remember that, now.
[03:59] <ogra> next ubuntu release == next gnome release
[03:59] <geppy> Are GAIM-1.02, and Evolution-2.2 in testing?
[03:59] <geppy> heh  :)
[04:00] <ogra> there is no testing yet.....wait two weeks or so
[04:00] <geppy> Alright.
[04:00] <Keybuk> tesging?
[04:00] <Keybuk> ugh
[04:00] <Keybuk> testing?  there isn't an Ubuntu testing, nor will there be
[04:00] <geppy> Am I advised against building them, myself?
[04:00] <geppy> Oh, alright.
[04:00] <ogra> sorry, unstable 
[04:00] <geppy> Alright.
[04:00] <Keybuk> hoary will open relatively soon
[04:01] <geppy> And things like Mplayer;  is there any real reason _not_ to build debs on that?
[04:01] <toothpick> I've got to get some time and test Thinkwave Educator via Wine with ubuntu...one app I really rely on windows.
[04:01] <LinuxJones> geppy, yes legal reasons
[04:02] <geppy> Mplayer is free, no?
[04:02] <LinuxJones> geppy, they are available if you want them
[04:02] <geppy> I understand that the w32codecs would have legal problems.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> geppy, their codecs are patent encumbered tho
[04:02] <geppy> Understood.  :)
[04:03] <geppy> Debs are interactive, though, so couldn't you install mplayer, and then have click-through EULA's for the codecs?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> geppy, no because they are not GPL compatible
[04:04] <maswan> ehm, aren't the bundled codecs gpl?
[04:04] <LinuxJones> maswan, no they are not
[04:05] <ogra> same for java, flash....
[04:05] <Mitario> anyone happens to know which font OS X uses? :)
[04:05] <geppy> Mplayer is LGPL, isn't it?
[04:05] <maswan> LinuxJones: can you give me an example?
[04:05] <maswan> ah, there, found one
[04:05] <LinuxJones> maswan, waht do you mean ?
[04:05] <brettcar> Mitario: OS X generally uses LucidaGrande or Helvetica
[04:06] <WW> maswan: What did you mean by "bundled codecs"?  These guys are talking about w32codecs (I think!)
[04:06] <geppy> I'm not planning on submitting this to the devs, if that's why you're worried about it being GPL-compatible.
[04:06] <Mitario> brettcar, ah, ok, thanks!
[04:06] <Mitario> brb, relogin
[04:06] <maswan> WW: I'm talking about libavcodec etc that's bundled with mplayer as such. Not the separate package of w32codecs
[04:06] <LinuxJones> geppy, what ?
[04:07] <ogra> geppy: you would have the same you have with totem now, you got a mplayer that plays only free formats and everyone will replace it soon with the nonfree stuff
[04:07] <maswan> geppy: mplayer is GPL, as is most of the codecs that is in the mplayer package. some are lgpl and some "permissive", which seems to be gpl-compatible
[04:07] <geppy> LinuxJones:  I didn't mean to say some of that, sorry.
[04:08] <devscott> is there a quick and easy way I can change the UID for an user account?
[04:08] <ogra> geppy: if you stay in ths channel for a day you'll recognize the totem-xine question is one of the most frequent
[04:08] <geppy> So, Mplayer is incompatible (in terms of licensing) with the packages that it's designed to use?
[04:09] <geppy> heh
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, check out usermod
[04:09] <maswan> geppy: ehm, what?
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, in the man pages
[04:09] <maswan> geppy: are you talking about w32codecs?
[04:09] <devscott> Thank you LinuxJones
[04:09] <geppy> maswan: yes.
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, ;)
[04:10] <maswan> geppy: well, it is uncertain if you can redistribute those at all, it is certain that you can't redistribute a derivative work of mplayer+w32codecs 
[04:10] <bulio> is ubuntu an easy distro?
[04:10] <maswan> geppy: not that it matters though
[04:11] <geppy> maswan: I'm not wanting to redistribute them;  I'm wondering if  I could have a click-through EULA that wgets the codecs.
[04:11] <LinuxJones> bulio, it can be if you have run of the mill hardware
[04:12] <maswan> geppy: not that you need the w32codecs most of the time, unless you find odd formats like wmv or so..
[04:12] <geppy> Right.
[04:12] <maswan> geppy: ehm, what good would a click-through eula do?
[04:12] <Quinton> evening guys!
[04:12] <geppy> maswan:  To make it legal?
[04:12] <bulio> Linux Jones: define run of the mill
[04:12] <LinuxJones> Quinton, hi :)
[04:12] <Mitario> hi again
[04:13] <Mitario> would anyone know a place where I can download the OS X fonts? or are they (c)ed
[04:13] <LinuxJones> bulio, what kind of hardware do you have on your computer ?
[04:13] <ogra> geppy: but it would make the gpl illegal
[04:13] <bulio> Linux: it's a hp from 2001
[04:13] <maswan> geppy: I don't follow you, you must be living in a place where copyright works differently from here.
[04:13] <bulio> nothing special
[04:13] <bulio> standard hardware, all except sound detected in mandrake
[04:13] <geppy> maswan:  I was under the impression that if they accept the EULA presented on the site, then they could download the files.
[04:13] <geppy> ogra: what would?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> bulio, if you computer is from 2001 you should have no problem at all :)
[04:14] <bulio> :P
[04:14] <bulio> I ordered some cds
[04:14] <bulio> is it as easy as mandrake?
[04:14] <ogra> geppy: bundling with a MS eula
[04:14] <geppy> Or if you use Nvidia/AMD/Lynksys/Logitech like most Linux users.  :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> bulio, you can test it by downloading the Ubuntu Live CD
[04:14] <maswan> geppy: there is no eula on the mplayer website
[04:14] <bulio> LinuxJones: It's debian-based, no?
[04:15] <geppy> maswan:  GPL is the EULA.  But I'm talking about a click-through for the w32codecs
[04:15] <LinuxJones> bulio, it doesn't have all of the GUI stuff that Mandrake has but it has fine hardware detection so you sould be ok
[04:15] <bulio> ok
[04:15] <LinuxJones> bulio, yes
[04:15] <maswan> geppy: yes, and I just said that there is no eula there.
[04:15] <geppy> ogra:  Having mplayer with the GPL, and mplayer-w32codecs with whatever MS uses would be invalid?
[04:15] <WW> Speaking of EULA's... is there a legal reason Ubuntu could not provide a click-through EULA for Java?
[04:15] <geppy> maswan: the GPL is a EULA.
[04:15] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL is not an EULA.
[04:15] <maswan> geppy: and GPL isn't an eula, it is a distributor license.
[04:15] <bulio> LinuxJones: I am guessing no support for usb modems?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> bulio, I have never owned one so I can't say for sure :(
[04:16] <ogra> geppy: its incompatible to provide both in one package.....
[04:16] <bulio> my pc at other house uses nic
[04:16] <geppy> Right.
[04:16] <maswan> geppy: because (under sane copyright law), the end user is free to do whatever [s] he wants.
[04:16] <TheMuso> Does anybody know whether we are still able to edit information on the old Wiki? And if so, when is the deadline
[04:16] <bulio> this uses usb
[04:16] <bulio> :/
[04:16] <florianr> Hello! 
[04:16] <florianr> I still have problems with my AC97 Soundcard ... 
[04:16] <geppy> ogra:  Understood.   But mplayer and mplayer-w32codecs (separate) would be legally feasible, no?
[04:16] <WW> TheMuso: What is the "old" wiki?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> bulio, burn a copy of the live CD and see if it finds all your hardware. I am sure you will probably be ok :P
[04:16] <SamBozo> I am gett in some one telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already ..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't helt them
[04:17] <ogra> geppy: thats what they do now...
[04:17] <TheMuso> WW: According to a message that I received yesterday from the Ubuntu dev mailing list, they intend to move the wiki over to a new backend.
[04:17] <bulio> LinuxJones:Really? detection for pppoe usb modem??!!!
[04:17] <geppy> maswan:  They're agreeing to have the rights that they are given;  they're still agreeing to it.
[04:17] <geppy> ogra:  Right.
[04:18] <maswan> geppy: as an end user, I don't have to agree to anything in the gpl.
[04:18] <LinuxJones> bulio, as I have said I can't say for sure but if you have a decent internet connection it will take 2 hours to find out :)
[04:18] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me how to check/change the color depth X is running at?
[04:18] <WW> TheMuso: Ah, I didn't know that.
[04:18] <PenguinBoy1> evening guys!
[04:18] <SamBozo> I am getting someone telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already existing from their sarge install..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't help them??
[04:19] <WW> TheMuso: FWIW, I edited something about an hour ago, and it worked.
[04:19] <geppy> maswan:  An end-user agrees that he has the rights to hack it, and download the sources, and do basically whatever the hell else he wants to do, as long as he shares these rights.  Just because you're agreeing to these rights doesn't mean that you aren't _agreeing_.
[04:19] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and look for default color depth setting
[04:19] <maswan> geppy: have you actually read the gpl?
[04:19] <geppy> Yes, multiple times.
[04:20] <geppy> Regardless, you _still_ _have_ _to_ _agree_ to it before you use a GPL'd program.
[04:20] <SamBozo> never mind they are going to remove ubuntu .. oh well another one lost
[04:20] <maswan> geppy: no, you don't.
[04:20] <ogra> geppy: and a MS eula ?
[04:20] <geppy> ogra: hmm?
[04:20] <maswan> geppy: I have to _redistribute_ programs by the terms of the GPL, but I don't  have to do anything to use a program.
[04:20] <ogra> nobody reads them *g*
[04:20] <LinuxJones> geppy, you sound like a SCO lawyer looking for help :D
[04:20] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: is 24 the best?
[04:21] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Yes
[04:21] <ogra> LinuxJones: did you say jehova ???
[04:21] <geppy> LinuxJones: hahahahaha
[04:21] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: thanx
[04:21] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: I guess my res is just too high then.
[04:21] <geppy> maswan:  you're still agreeing to your rights to the source, and your right to not have the right taken from you, regardless of whether you want it, or not.
[04:22] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Some cards can support 32-bit color (4 trillion+ colors) but the human eye can't tell the difference.
[04:22] <brettcar> geppy: You should really take a course in contract law. ;)
[04:22] <maswan> geppy: Also, in the privacy of my own laptop, I can mix linux kernel code and UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF AT&T
[04:22] <maswan> geppy: I can't _redistribute_ that, but I can sure as hell use it.
[04:22] <geppy> brettcar: Am I that clueless?  =)
[04:23] <brettcar> geppy: It seems like it, I don't mean to be insensitive. I haven't followed your conversation too closely.
[04:23] <geppy> brettcar:  heh  :)
[04:23] <geppy> I still don't understand how it's not a EULA.  You're still agreeing to the license when you receive a GPL'd program.
[04:23] <geppy> How does that not make it a EULA?
[04:23] <brettcar> geppy: No you aren't
[04:23] <maswan> geppy: no, you aren't. because you don't need to.
[04:24] <geppy> How are you not agreeing to it?
[04:24] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL is a license to redistribute. ***NOT A LICENSE FOR USE***
[04:24] <brettcar> That is the fundamental difference in the GnuWorld.
[04:24] <maswan> geppy: agreement is an action. I do not take that action.
[04:24] <maswan> geppy: You can't make agreement into a default non-action.
[04:24] <brettcar> geppy: When you agree to an EULA you are accepting a *LICENSE TO USE SOMETHING*
[04:24] <WW> brettcar, maswan: So the person/entity that is bound by the GPL is the person/entity that gave the program to geppy, right?
[04:25] <brettcar> geppy: The fact that you obtained a program legally gives you the right to use it. No such law can prohibit that.
[04:25] <ogra> geppy: a EULA is a license to *** NOT REDISTRIBUTE ***
[04:25] <maswan> WW: Yeah, because without the license that would have been illegal.
[04:25] <bulio> are the ubuntu cds shipped by mail/
[04:25] <brettcar> geppy: Copyright law however denies you the right to redistribute by default. The GPL gives that right back to you.
[04:25] <brettcar> bulio: Not yet
[04:25] <LinuxJones> geppy, read the GPL >> http://www.gnu.org/home.html
[04:25] <geppy> The person who provided it to me is bound to make me aware of my rights, no?
[04:25] <bulio> will they be?
[04:25] <ogra> geppy: _End User_ licenseagreement
[04:25] <geppy> I'm there, and I've read it.
[04:25] <brettcar> bulio: Eventually
[04:26] <brettcar> WW: Aye
[04:26] <geppy> I understand where you're all coming from; just not how, if you have to be made aware of it, you're not agreeing to it.
[04:26] <maswan> geppy: Not really, it is enough to provide the source next to the binary on a webpage.
[04:26] <brettcar> WW: I/you/whoever, is only bound by the GPL when you redistribute the program. By definition that is the act of "copy"ing, hence "copyright>"
[04:26] <bulio> brettcar: is it sent at all atm?
[04:26] <brettcar> >=.
[04:26] <brettcar> bulio: Nope
[04:26] <bulio> ok
[04:26] <geppy> maswan:  Do you not have to provide the GPL, as well?
[04:26] <maswan> geppy: And ship a COPYING note. Or ship both on the CD. You don't _have_ to make the recipient aware of that. It is up to them.
[04:27] <maswan> yeah
[04:27] <brettcar> Basically it comes down to the concept of copyright law
[04:27] <maswan> but that's up to the reciever to figure out if [s] he wants to redistribute or do something else forbidden by copyright law.
[04:27] <brettcar> Right, what maswan said.
[04:27] <maswan> just for using it, having recieved it is good enough.
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: Receiving it legally however.
[04:28] <geppy> "And you must show them these terms so they know their rights"
[04:28] <GotD0t> whats the subject?
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: I don't think you have legal standing to use it if received against the terms of the GPL. 
[04:28] <geppy> How does that not require them to make you aware of the GPL?
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: But that is for a judge to decide. I believe you may have the right to use it but then distributer will be at fault.
[04:29] <brettcar> geppy: If I gave you a music CD, do I have to make you aware that you aren't allowed to copy it?
[04:29] <brettcar> geppy: No, because it is common law. The unlicensed redistribution of copyrighted material is unlawful.
[04:29] <geppy> brettcar:  Following.
[04:29] <LinuxJones> brettcar, it depends on which country/state your living in 
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: I am referring to the country I am most familiar with, USA.
[04:30] <geppy> But I'm saying that if you're required to "show them these terms" when you distribute it, how is the person receiving it not seeing and agreeing to them?
[04:30] <LinuxJones> brettcar, I am from Canda and things are much different
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: Oh yes, I know about the CD thing there.
[04:30] <LinuxJones> brettcar, err Canada
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: But lets not get into that ;)
[04:31] <LinuxJones> brettcar, ya let's not :)
[04:31] <geppy> heh
[04:31] <brettcar> geppy: The person receiving it is NOT A PART of the GPL.
[04:31] <ogra> LinuxJones: you had a nice p2p case there ;)
[04:31] <maswan> geppy: what section?
[04:31] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL simply requires the *distributor* to make the license available.
[04:31] <maswan> brettcar: well, that depends really..
[04:31] <geppy> brettcar:  Not only make available; make it know.
[04:32] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL simply *can not* effect the recipient because the contract is between the distributor and the copyright holder.
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, it should be everywhere :)
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, Like the GPL
[04:32] <geppy> maswan:  What is in what section?
[04:32] <maswan> brettcar: we do have some fudge factors about it being resonable assumption of it being redistributed in that way etc.
[04:32] <ogra> LinuxJones: oh yes, this judge is great
[04:32] <maswan> geppy: that you have to "show them these terms"
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ;D
[04:33] <geppy> Preamble is where I quoted that part from
[04:33] <geppy> just search for "And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."
[04:33] <maswan> ah, the preamble
[04:33] <brettcar> geppy: The preamble is generally not legally binding.
[04:33] <maswan> isn't reflected in the terms section though
[04:33] <brettcar> geppy: You are bound only by the terms and conditions of the contract
[04:33] <geppy>     b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in     whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any     part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third     parties under the terms of this License.
[04:33] <geppy> Understood.
[04:34] <LinuxJones> ogra, I only have ever made copies of music that I have legally purchased and thankfully I have my .ogg backups when the media gets scratched :)
[04:34] <geppy> But that says that you must make anyone that receives it become bound by the GPL.
[04:34] <maswan> only that you have to make prominent copyright statements and ship a copy of the license..
[04:34] <brettcar> geppy: No it does not
[04:34] <maswan> geppy: definately not
[04:34] <brettcar> geppy: It says nothing of the sort, and besides if it did, that kind of contract would be non-binding and illegal.
[04:34] <maswan> 5.  You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License.
[04:35] <brettcar> Pure genius that clause :)
[04:35] <geppy> heh
[04:35] <ogra> LinuxJones: and of course you store them in .mldonkey/ahred ;)
[04:35] <ogra> shared
[04:35] <geppy> I'm still bound to make people aware of the license, though, is what I'm saying.
[04:35] <brettcar> geppy: No you aren't, such text is found nowhere in the GPL
[04:35] <geppy> alright
[04:36] <GotD0t> can someone tell me the format for editing crontab?
[04:36] <maswan> brettcar: well, you do have to display copyright statements. that
[04:36] <geppy> Well, then, back to what I was getting at:  It's legally feasible to ship a deb with a click-through EULA and wget for the w32codecs?
[04:36] <maswan> 's as close as I get
[04:36] <brettcar> In fact the word 'aware' appears no where in the GPL, and the word 'show' only in the preamble.
[04:36] <brettcar> maswan: Yeah but that isn't the same as a "clickwrap" awaregreement. :)
[04:36] <maswan> geppy: well... that would depend on the w32codecs
[04:36] <brettcar> To coin a phrase :P
[04:36] <GotD0t> i looked in man crontab and it doesn't say anything about the format of the file
[04:36] <brettcar> geppy: Probably not
[04:37] <LinuxJones> ogra, no way it's their art and I would never do it without their permission, but I should be able to make backups to offset the limitations of the medium that they are distributed on :)
[04:37] <maswan> geppy: nothing to do with the gpl, because they aren't under the gpl
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Because what gave you the right to distribute those codecs?
[04:37] <geppy> I'm not distributing, them, though.
[04:37] <geppy> That's what I was saying.
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Unless you have a license to distribute the codecs (or are the copyright holder) then you can't distributed them at all. EULA or not.
[04:37] <geppy> I'd be offering a wget for them.
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Ubuntu can't distribute them in that manner then.
[04:37] <geppy> e.g. from the main site.
[04:37] <geppy> where you're supposed to get them.
[04:38] <joem> GotD0t, http://metawire.org/~joem/configs/crontab
[04:38] <maswan> well, then it isn't an eula you should have, but a warning
[04:38] <GotD0t> thank you joem...
[04:38] <ogra> LinuxJones: who is their ?
[04:38] <brettcar> geppy: Depending on how you execute that may or may not be legal.
[04:38] <geppy> I agree that it has nothing to do with the GPL, I wasn't referring to it when I asked.
[04:38] <brettcar> geppy: But that's how the ms-core-fonts-whatever package used to (still?) worked.
[04:38] <geppy> Alright, thanks.
[04:39] <ogra> LinuxJones: EMI, Sony, BMG ? 
[04:40] <WW> There would be no legal problem with a "click-through EULA" for a script that installed Java, would there?
[04:40] <brettcar> WW: Well, I haven't read Java's license but didn't the Blackdown debs do that?
[04:40] <brettcar> WW: I built my own Java deb with java-package and it has to agree to a click-thru too.
[04:40] <WW> brettcar: Maybe. I haven't installed Java from Blackdown.
[04:41] <LinuxJones> ogra, the band(s) music that I have legally purchased and backed up (and transcoded in a free format).
[04:41] <geppy> Right, so you all probably think I'm really stupid, but what would be wrong with a deb consisting of a click-through EULA and a wget to the w32codecs?
[04:41] <brettcar> WW: I believe that is what Blackdown does, but their debs are out of date
[04:41] <GotD0t> joem can you clarify this, i want to make it so that it runs a command every 10 minutes
[04:41] <brettcar> geppy: I can't say because I don't know about the license available for w32codecs
[04:42] <geppy> brettcar:  Alright.
[04:42] <brettcar> geppy: It might have a clause "you may not use wget to retrieve these files."
[04:42] <geppy> heh
[04:42] <geppy> brettcar: And if it doesn't?
[04:42] <maswan> brettcar: ehm. basically non-existant.
[04:42] <brettcar> geppy: Then I suppose it could be legal.
[04:42] <GotD0t> joem: so what would each of the ones be?
[04:42] <maswan> brettcar: that is, redistribution is probably not allowed if looking at it strictly.
[04:42] <toothpick> I'm trying to play with wine...tough cookie for me.
[04:43] <brettcar> maswan: Yes but if you wget'd from the actual official distribution place it could be potentially legal.
[04:43] <maswan> brettcar: heh. you want to know what w32codecs is? :)
[04:43] <brettcar> maswan: Of course if the actual code is "illegal" (like our favourite DVD encryption method...) its another story
[04:44] <brettcar> maswan: Yeah I have a vague idea. See previous message.
[04:44] <brettcar> maswan: I know what the package does but I don't know its legal implications.
[04:44] <maswan> brettcar: it is dlls etc ripped out of mixed "freely" available installers for various windows codecs.
[04:44] <brettcar> Hah
[04:44] <maswan> brettcar: ah, no, dvd decryption is in mplayer proper. no need for w32codecs for that
[04:45] <maswan> well, if you are in a place where brute-forcing css session keys is illegal, mplayer is probably not for you. :)
[04:46] <brettcar> Arg, it was a hypothetical! :P
[04:46] <GotD0t> joem: are you there?
[04:46] <ogra> LinuxJones: if it were for the artists i would totally argee, but i'm a bit different about this...
[04:46] <GotD0t> well can anybody else help me with the crontab format
[04:46] <Lathiat> GotD0t: google.com/linux
[04:47] <maswan> brettcar: and that is in the redistributable main mplayer, w32codecs is the problematic part. ;)
[04:47] <Lathiat> iirc its d m h m s /path/to/script
[04:47] <brettcar> GotD0t: */5 * * * * commandToRunEvery5Minutes
[04:47] <Lathiat> (d=day, m=month, h=hour, m=minute, s=seconds)
[04:47] <Lathiat> no
[04:47] <Lathiat> otherway around
[04:47] <brettcar> maswan: Right, this I know
[04:47] <Lathiat> i dunno
[04:47] <LinuxJones> ogra, what do you mean ?
[04:47] <Lathiat> i cant remember :)
[04:47] <GotD0t> thank you
[04:47] <brettcar> Lathiat: I'm right, thats right out of my crontab :P
[04:47] <Lathiat> i know
[04:47] <Lathiat> i was trying to remember off the top of my head
[04:47] <Lathiat> i failed miserably :)
[04:47] <brettcar> hehe
[04:48] <brettcar> Oh by the way, here is a present to all you great Ubuntu users ;)
[04:48] <brettcar> The power of Linux: www.last.fm
[04:48] <maswan> man 5 crontab
[04:48] <maswan> for more extensive documentation and examples etc
[04:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: what you buy there is in the end a product of greed, there have to be found new ways for distribution, ways in which the rating of the art is higher than the profit
[04:50] <Mitario> hmm, is there a reason why 'services-admin' isn't included in ubuntu?
[04:51] <ogra> LinuxJones: i think all the p2p and copying could be the begin of a revolutionary change in this system where the quality counts instead of the PR
[04:51] <ogra> LinuxJones: and the artists get what tey deserve
[04:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: a ubuntu way for music based on the pressure and needs of the customer
[04:52] <brettcar> ogra: Then again those damn kids are still downloading the same crap off P2P ;)
[04:52] <geppy> heh
[04:52] <brettcar> ogra: I've found more new music through legal means (and innovative business models!) like www.last.fm ;)
[04:53] <GotD0t> brettcar: those damnted kids... you're what... 17?
[04:53] <brettcar> GotD0t: As opposed to those blessed kids ;)
[04:53] <GotD0t> heh
[04:54] <GotD0t> ahhh, how do i get out of crontab?
[04:55] <brettcar> GotD0t: It's just your $EDITOR...
[04:55] <GotD0t> but it wont let me exit...
[04:55] <geppy> :q!
[04:55] <geppy> ?
[04:55] <WW> He rebooted...
[04:55] <geppy> heh
[04:55] <geppy> probably
[04:55] <GotD0t> oops
[04:55] <GotD0t> haha
[04:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: imagine a system where your p2p program charges automatically for every download....the others as well, so if you redistribute you earn money and pay for your music as well....
[04:55] <LinuxJones> ogra, argh brb
[04:56] <brettcar> ogra: Sounds like a MLM scheme ;)
[04:56] <GotD0t> ogra: that would require some reworking of copyright laws it hink
[04:56] <geppy> heh
[04:56] <geppy> Yeah.
[04:56] <brettcar> GotD0t: Nah, just a license from the copyright holder to work it that way.
[04:56] <ogra> GotD0t: that was the beginning of this conversation....
[04:56] <WW> ogra: But who would use it?  Won't people _always_ find ways to distribute stuff freely?
[04:56] <geppy> hahaha
[04:57] <GotD0t> ahh, help
[04:57] <ogra> WW: i'm just dreaming.....
[04:57] <WW> ogra: Good... and thinking about it some more, maybe it could work.
[04:58] <brettcar> GotD0t: Open a new terminal kill the process.
[04:58] <brettcar> GotD0t: Then EDITOR=nano crontab -e
[04:58] <brettcar> And relax ;P
[04:58] <ogra> WW: i wont ban the greed out of the world, i can only live this attitude myself ...
[04:59] <geppy> hahaha
[04:59] <LinuxJones> ogra, i only transcode the music that I have legally purchased ( and transcoded)
[05:00] <ogra> LinuxJones: i understood.....was just philosophizing a bit....
[05:02] <WW> ogra: It is a fascinating issue. The internet will only get faster and faster, making it ever easier to copy music, video, etc.
[05:02] <LinuxJones> ogra, I understand but I also support the bands that I listen to by paying $70.00 for a ticket to see them in person :D
[05:02] <geppy> Does ubuntu use something like ESD, by default?
[05:03] <Mr_Smiley> geppy, i think so
[05:04] <geppy> Do people not like ALSA's dmix?
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> dunno
[05:04] <geppy> hmph =)
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> i have an audigy2 though so i disabled esd
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[05:04] <geppy> haha
[05:04] <geppy> How is the Linux support on it?
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> well it works..
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[05:04] <geppy> hahaha
[05:05] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[05:05] <geppy> I was looking into getting an Audigy 2 Platinum for recording purposes... until I browsed ALSA support pages, and found that none of the cool stuff was supported.
[05:05] <Mr_Smiley> geppy, yeah i don't use it for that.
[05:05] <geppy> Ah, alright.
[05:05] <blacknyx> I have audigy gamer
[05:06] <geppy> eh, how's that supported?
[05:06] <blacknyx> alright, it works but it doesn't have anything special, its a bitch to config on a newly installed distro
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> i think all audigy's use the same driver?
[05:06] <blacknyx> my ubuntu still doesn't like it, no sound.  so im back on my duel boot suse
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[05:06] <geppy> Oh.  All but one, but each card has different features.
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[05:07] <Mr_Smiley> i have an audigy 2 ZS
[05:07] <geppy> Different features aren't supported on different cards.
[05:07] <geppy> Nice card, that.  :)
[05:07] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[05:07] <WW> brettcar: I've tried to get different free mp3's from last.fm, and each time it says "Whoops, this download isn't available yet..."
[05:07] <WW> s/get diff/get five diff/
[05:08] <Mr_Smiley> well my sound card worked fine with ubuntu
[05:08] <Mr_Smiley> works*
[05:08] <blacknyx> mine did!  for like an hr, then it quit working again.  *grumbles* 
[05:08] <Mr_Smiley> lol 
[05:08] <Mr_Smiley> that's strange
[05:08] <blacknyx> very
[05:08] <blacknyx> and does anyone know why i cant find mplayer to isntall?
[05:09] <Mr_Smiley> i am happy that ubuntu even supports my wireless card
[05:09] <Mr_Smiley> blacknyx, you have to add a source
[05:09] <geppy> haha
[05:09] <geppy> Yeah, google for it.
[05:09] <Mr_Smiley> although i thought it used madwifi drivers?
[05:09] <blacknyx> lol im an idiot geppy, ignore my stupid questions.  
[05:09] <LinuxJones> geppy, unfortunately your still here ?
[05:09] <geppy> haha, you're not an idiot, it's just that I just finished talking about it.
[05:09] <geppy> hahahahaha
[05:10] <geppy> Yes, I am still ehre.
[05:10] <Mr_Smiley> anyway to find out what driver my wireless card is using?
[05:10] <LinuxJones> geppy, why not leave 
[05:10] <geppy> My sincerest apologies.
[05:10] <blacknyx> that was weird
[05:11] <Mr_Smiley> i just don't get how my wireless card is working under ubuntu whereas other distros i had to install the madwifi driver?
[05:11] <ygnome> that's the first time I've seen one of those ppl leave when it was suggested...
[05:11] <GotD0t> one of those people?
[05:11] <blacknyx> i was thinking the same thing ygnome
[05:12] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[05:12] <LinuxJones> :)
[05:12] <ogra> LinuxJones: thanks ;)
[05:12] <GotD0t> ok, my dad is going to kill me if i dont get the network printer working... anybody wanna help me?
[05:13] <ygnome> GotD0t: what will he kill you with?
[05:13] <GotD0t> ygnome: probably will throw that POS win-ME box at me that resides in the living room
[05:13] <WW> ygnome: His dad will make him play minesweeper for 24 hours straight.
[05:14] <GotD0t> ww: hey, i like minesweeper
[05:14] <GotD0t> ;-)
[05:14] <ygnome> GotD0t: ok tell us what sort of printer it is and why u can't get it to go.
[05:15] <GotD0t> well it works here... i just don't know how to get it so he can print from the family windows computer
[05:15] <WW> GotD0t: So the printer is attached to a computer running ubuntu?
[05:15] <GotD0t> ygnome: its an HP photosmart 7260
[05:15] <GotD0t> WW: aye
[05:16] <GotD0t> WW: and the computer that needs to be able to print to it is, i believe win2k
[05:16] <ygnome> GotD0t: oh, so it's not really a network printer, it's a shared printer?
[05:16] <GotD0t> ygnome: thats what i meant
[05:17] <ygnome> GotD0t: I see that now :)
[05:17] <GotD0t> ygnome: well it should be a shared printer... its not at this point considering this comp is the only one which can print from it
[05:17] <ogra> have to sleep now, night all ..... GtoD0t: happy samba setup ;)
[05:19] <GotD0t> ygnome: you still alive?
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: hang on, I'll check
[05:20] <GotD0t> ygnome: that should be self-evident
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: ouch! yes. I'm alive :)
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: what have u done to share the printer?
[05:20] <GotD0t> ygnome: nothing, i dont know where to begin...
[05:21] <ygnome> GotD0t: ok. well, that won't work.
[05:21] <ygnome> GotD0t: ubuntu runs cups, ok?
[05:21] <blacknyx> be back, gotta try to format my other hd
[05:22] <GotD0t> that shouldn't be too hard ;0
[05:22] <blacknyx> it shouldn't, but its ntfs format with tons of media files I dont want to lose
[05:22] <GotD0t> oh
[05:22] <ygnome> GotD0t: I've done this b4, but it was a long time ago, just looking for a setup...
[05:23] <GotD0t> ygnome: thanks
[05:27] <ygnome> GotD0t: can you browse the cups help on your system?
[05:27] <ygnome> GotD0t: try this in a browser: http://localhost:631/sam.html#8_8
[05:27] <GotD0t> yea
[05:28] <WW> GotD0t: Also take a look at question 18: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:30] <WW> GotD0t: (But I am mostly ignorant, so I don't know if that will help with getting a windows box to use your printer.)
[05:32] <ygnome> WW: looks like u are on the money there Didn't know that MS was doing IPP, that's cool.
[05:33] <ygnome> GotD0t: so you have 2 options, now. Samba or IPP.
[05:34] <GotD0t> ygnome: hmm
[05:35] <WW> ygnome: I don't see how I can be on the money when I don't really know what the heck I'm doing! :)
[05:37] <ygnome> WW: well, it is :)
[05:39] <ygnome> GotD0t: if it were me, I'd use the FAQ method, you will probably get more help on it here if the wheels fall off.
[05:47] <ygnome> bbiab. lunch...
[05:52] <WW> GotD0t: Still there?
[05:53] <GotD0t> WW: yea, working on it
[05:53] <WW> I happen to have a Win2k laptop sitting here, and a printer attached to my Ubuntu desktop, so I am trying the same thing.
[05:54] <devscott> is there a howto for linux drivers on warty?
[05:55] <WW> devscott: If it's for something common like graphics drivers for nvidia or ati, yes.
[05:55] <bob2> devscott: which drivers?
[05:55] <devscott> ww, could you point me to a nvidia one?
[05:55] <devscott> I have dual monitors that I would really love to use
[05:55] <bob2> devscott: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:55] <bob2> assuming your question is "How do I install the nvidia binary drivers?"
[05:56] <WW> devscott: What bob2 said :)
[05:56] <devscott> thanks bob2 & ww
[05:57] <WW> GotD0t: I made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki, and in the Win2k box, I tried adding a Network Printer.
[05:57] <WW> GotD0t: I'm currently in the Add Printer Wizard...
[05:58] <Lathiat> just browse to the computer in network neighbourhood
[05:58] <Lathiat> right click the printer and hit connect
[06:00] <WW> Lathiat: In Win2K?  Where is the network neighborhood?
[06:01] <Lathiat> WW: it might be caled network places or something
[06:01] <Lathiat> it should be a link off your desktop
[06:04] <GotD0t> question: does anybody know why my win2k box seems to be getting an insanely slow connection to HP's website, and i get a normal speed
[06:04] <bob2> mtu?
[06:04] <devscott> GotD0t: are you downloading drivers?
[06:05] <GotD0t> devscott: well im attempting to download a driver on the win2k box...
[06:05] <devscott> there is a known problem with their driver download page
[06:05] <GotD0t> oh?
[06:05] <devscott> GotD0t: cancel the download and restart it
[06:05] <devscott> GotD0t: should fix it
[06:05] <neuro_> devscott: do elaborate, i've been dl'ing drivers from hp for years and never had a prob
[06:05] <bob2> wow, that's a very strange bug
[06:05] <devscott> <-- wife works at HP
[06:06] <neuro_> that's not elaborating :>
[06:06] <devscott> they have some issue with some connectivity since they updated some of their asp applications
[06:06] <neuro_> k
[06:07] <devscott> umm the form you go through to get to the drivers
[06:07] <neuro_> of course, if they named their driver files more sensibly, you could just browse ftp.hp.com :)
[06:07] <devscott> are mostly asp driven, and point to a old server
[06:07] <GotD0t> devscott: uhh. still doesnt seem to be working... its giving me 10 kb/s... and its midnight so i dont think theres a lot traffic on their site
[06:07] <devscott> shouldn't be at this time
[06:08] <GotD0t> devscott: its the retarded computer
[06:08] <devscott> which driver, I'll try here
[06:08] <GotD0t> devscott: im downloading it on my ubuntu box and its getting 400kb/s
[06:09] <devscott> hmmm. odd indeed
[06:09] <GotD0t> devscott: its the computer, its dying
[06:09] <devscott> yeah windows will do that to a machine ;)
[06:09] <GotD0t> devscott: not just windows.. the mere fact that its an old HP
[06:10] <bob2> GotD0t: language please
[06:11] <neuro_> bob2: ?
[06:11] <GotD0t> ?
[06:11] <GotD0t> i prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish
[06:12] <GotD0t> print "i prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish"
[06:12] <devscott> does firefox pull the plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[06:12] <neuro_> forgot the ; :)
[06:12] <GotD0t> sorry
[06:12] <GotD0t> its late
[06:13] <neuro_> even later here :)
[06:13] <GotD0t> if i need to run a command with sudo and i need it cron'ed then how do i set it up?
[06:14] <devscott> cron it under root?
[06:14] <neuro_> run it from root's crontab
[06:14] <GotD0t> k
[06:14] <neuro_> or from one of the cron.* dirs, i.e. cron.daily
[06:15] <whiprush> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins devscott 
[06:16] <GotD0t> wheres my cd burner?
[06:16] <devscott> whilprush: java is being stubborn
[06:16] <whiprush> ah, so you have it working I see. :p
[06:17] <whiprush> libjavaplugin_oji.so should be in there
[06:17] <whiprush> symlinked to wherever you installed the java plugin
[06:17] <whiprush> mine is in 
[06:17] <whiprush> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:18] <devscott> tried that but about:plugins comes up empty
[06:18] <WW> In Win2K, I couldn't figure out the "Network Places" that lathiat mentioned.
[06:18] <devscott> gcc32 or just ns7?
[06:18] <whiprush> depends, you have to find it.
[06:18] <whiprush> depends on how you installed it
[06:18] <whiprush> as long as the symlink points to the right one it'll work
[06:18] <WW> When I try to install a printer using the Add Printer Wizard, and I give it the URL http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/ML-1750,
[06:18] <devscott> <- has a feeling he should've used the 1.4  instead of the 1.5
[06:19] <WW> windows apparently talks to 192.168.1.2, but it says it doesn't have the correct driver.
[06:19] <rt> this new kvm switch seems to work quite well.
[06:20] <WW> Why should I need a driver in windows?  The computer to which the printer is attached has the driver.
[06:20] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time :)
[06:20] <Matrix_User> i have a public announcement to make
[06:21] <Matrix_User> ubuntu r0x :)
[06:22] <neuro_> i think praising Ubuntu in 
[06:22] <neuro_> i think praising Ubuntu in #ubuntu is kinda redundant
[06:22] <neuro_> but i'm sure the devs appreciate it nonetheless :>
[06:23] <Matrix_User> its constructive criticism :)
[06:23] <WW> Ah yes, ancient debian...
[06:23] <devscott> :)
[06:23] <Matrix_User> whens the last time someone told you , ya rock
[06:23] <rt> people line up outside my door to tell me that.
[06:23] <ygnome> WW: windows needs to know how to format the data, pagesizes and margins etc, etc.
[06:24] <rt> packages 19% completed.
[06:25] <devscott> <- likes monodevelop
[06:25] <GotD0t> ww: you need to download the proper drivers from whatever the website is
[06:29] <rt> 45%
[06:29] <GotD0t> WW how are you setting up your printer?
[06:29] <WW> GotD0t: In progress... I found the CD that came with the printer.
[06:29] <GotD0t> WW: but which way?
[06:30] <WW> GotD0t: I'm trying the "Add Printer Wizard": Network Printer, URL is the server printer.
[06:31] <GotD0t> WW; because i tried samba and i got the drivers and such installed, and its telling me a command or something was missing
[06:32] <WW> GotD0t: No love from Win2K.  It still gives me the same error.  If I had read the error more carefully I could have guessed that.
[06:32] <srbaker_> yo
[06:33] <srbaker_> is there anything special i need to watch an avi in ubuntu?
[06:33] <GotD0t> codecs
[06:33] <srbaker_> i'm getting an "unknown error" from totem
[06:33] <GotD0t> haha
[06:33] <GotD0t> what format is the avi in?
[06:33] <srbaker_> it works fine on the other ubuntu box
[06:33] <WW> It says "The server on which the 'Samsung ML-1750 Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended)' printer resides does not have the correct printer driver installed.  If you want to install the driver on your local computer, click OK."
[06:33] <srbaker_> GotD0t, dunno.  but i watched it find on the other ubunto box.   and i don't think i installed anything special
[06:34] <srbaker_> where do i configure xine for sound?
[06:34] <GotD0t> ww: well thats because when two windows boxes share a printer the remote box pulls the driver files from the host
[06:35] <GotD0t> ww: and when it cant find them on the host, you have to install them yourself
[06:36] <srbaker_> how do i figure out what format the avi is in?
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ ask the person you got it from
[06:36] <srbaker_> GotD0t, no.
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ of course im assuming you got it from a P2P network
[06:36] <srbaker_> yes
[06:36] <srbaker_> i think it's an audio error, actually
[06:36] <srbaker_> how do i make sure xine can talk to my audio device?
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ what makes you think that
[06:37] <neuro_> use the file command
[06:37] <neuro_> neuro@majestic:~/media/Enterprise $ file star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.\[BT\] .avi 
[06:37] <neuro_> star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.[BT] .avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 624 x 352, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[06:37] <srbaker_> The Sopranos - Season 5 - Ep 2.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 368, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[06:38] <GotD0t> right, XviD and mp3
[06:38] <srbaker_> ** (totem:9835): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)48000, channels=(int)2, codec_data=(buffer)020080bb0000ec3e0000800400000c00010002000000820101000000
[06:38] <srbaker_> that's why i think it's an audio pro blem
[06:38] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:39] <GotD0t> srbaker_ well you need to install the mp3 codec... im surprised you dont have that and you have the XviD
[06:39] <agwibowo> what's an easy way to do file transfer to an Ubuntu machine? I usually run the ssh server and then do scp to it.... but it seems that ubuntu doesn't have it, even in the universe/main repository
[06:39] <WW> GotD0t: OK, I made progress.  I installed the drivers from the, and I was able to add the printer in Win2K.  But I just tried to print something to it, and it looks like windows tried to print to LPT1 !!!
[06:39] <Gmail> hey gnome-audio is broken
[06:39] <srbaker_> GotD0t, but i'm telling you, it works on my other ubuntu box
[06:39] <srbaker_> that has the same software
[06:40] <WW> GotD0t: s/from the,/from the CD,/
[06:40] <Gmail> well not broken
[06:40] <phill> what is the live cd like?
[06:40] <GotD0t> i believe you srbaker_
[06:40] <phill> will it detect my ati card and use the binary drivers? 
[06:40] <Gmail> it built agenst almost everything in ubuntu
[06:40] <phill> where is the ATi faq for ubuntu?
[06:40] <bob2> phill: nope
[06:40] <Gmail> i.e. gnome, base-config .....
[06:41] <bob2> phill:  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <Gmail> and wtf does i.e. stand for?
[06:41] <phill> thanks
[06:41] <vashtar> i've got a firefox question that is probably simple
[06:41] <srbaker_> i'll try totem-gstreamer, maybe that's how i did it
[06:41] <agwibowo> helloo... anyone?? can help me??
[06:41] <agwibowo> file transfer in ubuntu??
[06:41] <rt> internet explorer?
[06:41] <rt> :-)
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: you didn't install the ssh server
[06:42] <Mr_Smiley> Gmail, Applications - Accessories - Dictionary :P
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: do so
[06:42] <srbaker_> oh.  totem-gstreamer was installed.  i'm trying totem-xine now
[06:42] <Gmail> internet exploder? (btw i never touch ie in my life because i'v never touched winblows before)
[06:42] <agwibowo> bob2: i did  sudo apt-get install sshd      doens't have it
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: openssh-server
[06:42] <Gmail> Mr_Smiley: i cant open gnome
[06:42] <vashtar> everytime i try to open a php file, it pops up the "open with" type dialog instead of actually opening the file
[06:42] <Mr_Smiley> Gmail, oh
[06:42] <vashtar> anyone know how to fix?
[06:42] <agwibowo> ahhhh
[06:42] <agwibowo> thanks
[06:42] <bob2> Gmail: you've never used windows?  how did you use dialup AOL then?
[06:42] <Gmail> Mr_Smiley: that might be because half of it isnt configured and installed
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[06:43] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: Gmail didn't do a normal ubuntu install
[06:43] <Gmail> bob2: google > dail up to aol + linux
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> yeah so i've hear
[06:43] <GotD0t> gmail: i think someone who hasnt used windows before is a very rare occurance
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> heard*
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> anyway
[06:43] <bob2> Gmail: yes, linspire have supported it for a few months now
[06:43] <bob2> Gmail: but you implied you used it years ago
[06:43] <Gmail> GotD0t: i dont have enuff money to buy winblows
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: never went to college?
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i used it 1 month ago for 30min
[06:44] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am 14
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i said i used it 1 month ago for 30min
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: im sure your middle school has computers...
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: haven't you used those?
[06:44] <Gmail> GotD0t: no just the princepble
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: or are they using apple II-e's?
[06:45] <GotD0t> you're kidding?
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am in a privet school with 25 kids from years k to 9
[06:45] <neuro_> hey, the //e was cool :)
[06:45] <GotD0t> i know... that was my first computer
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: wait the adminstartor brings here lappy from home every now and then
[06:45] <GotD0t> i wish i still had one
[06:45] <Gmail> and anyway my priceble use linux
[06:46] <GotD0t> WW; you there?
[06:47] <WW> SUCCESS!!!
[06:47] <Gmail> i only got $1.1k for my birthday from family (there scums they are *ALL* mutli-millionars and we a the poorer ones but i still rich)
[06:47] <GotD0t> HOW? im still reading an error from my win2k box
[06:47] <Gmail> s/i/we
[06:47] <GotD0t> you ONLY got 1.1k
[06:47] <bob2> Gmail: this seems fairly off-topic
[06:47] <GotD0t> clearly
[06:47] <Gmail> GotD0t: yes but.....
[06:47] <rt> hmmm.
[06:48] <GotD0t> WW: what did you do
[06:48] <rt> this errored out.  looks like a bad cd?
[06:48] <rt> grrr.
[06:48] <bob2> rt: check the md5sum
[06:48] <WW> GotD0t: On the ubuntu side, I used made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki faq, and restarted cupsd.
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: guess ill be trying that way
[06:49] <WW> GotD0t: In win2k, I used the "Add Printer Wizard"
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: samba didnt work
[06:49] <WW> GotD0t: I never touched samba.
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: looks like you were the brighter one
[06:50] <Gmail> hmm i EVERYTHING from the kernel to gnome from the internet last night (in my unlimmited offpeak quota) and gnome isnt load fast i have to wait again
[06:50] <WW> GotD0t: I added a "Network Printer", and gave the following URL: http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/ML-1750.
[06:51] <Gmail> ok me reburns
[06:51] <Gmail> bob2: i am having problem with my burner
[06:51] <bob2> really?
[06:51] <bob2> that's a huge surprise.
[06:51] <Gmail> any right mode i use it says it doesnt support it
[06:51] <Gmail> s/right/write
[06:52] <Gmail> i used: -tao -dao and -sao and maybe one more that #ubuntu told me to
[06:52] <GotD0t> bob2, be nice
[06:52] <Lathiat> GotD0t: try reading yesterdays backlog
[06:53] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh, hehe
[06:53] <Gmail> Lathiat: lol
[06:53] <bob2> Gmail: does your burner actually work at all?
[06:53] <Gmail> GotD0t: dont you will see lots of repeating
[06:53] <Gmail> bob2: in manbrake it did
[06:54] <bob2> Gmail: burn ubuntu from inside mandrake then
[06:54] <Gmail> but in manbrake also cdp... -scanbus worked too
[06:54] <bob2> yes, burn it in mandrake
[06:54] <Gmail> and manbrake uses a 2.6 kernel
[06:54] <bob2> yes, I know
[06:54] <bob2> burn the cd under mandrake
[06:55] <GotD0t> then use mandrake...
[06:55] <GotD0t> wow
[06:55] <GotD0t> that was odd
[06:55] <Gmail> so why doesnt cdp... -scanbus work in ubuntu?
[06:55] <bob2> Gmail: no one can possibly help you debug such a broken system.
[06:56] <neuro_> oops
[06:56] <bob2> once you install ubuntu properly, we can help you get cd burning working
[06:56] <Gmail> GotD0t: i used manbrake for now 20hrs i hate it there is no cdrecord be default it hell to install anything and bittorent doesnt work
[06:56] <WW> Gmail: Indeed, once you install Ubuntu properly, CD burning will Just Work (TM)
[06:57] <Gmail> bob2: i am going to have reinstall manbrake
[06:57] <Gmail> :(
[06:57] <Gmail> about 20min
[06:57] <bob2> Gmail: ok, see you later.
[06:57] <Gmail> and then to burn the cd a 8x 20min
[06:57] <GotD0t> 8x?
[06:57] <GotD0t> wow
[06:57] <Gmail> then to install 30min
[06:57] <WW> Gmail: 4x is safer
[06:58] <GotD0t> i burn DVD's at 8x
[06:58] <bob2> Gmail: cool, see you then
[06:58] <Gmail> GotD0t: my cd drive support 52x my cd support 42x
[06:58] <bob2> Gmail: go reinstall it now.
[06:58] <GotD0t> have fun
[06:58] <Gmail> :(
[07:00] <Gmail> ok my partioning of my 160hdd is 500mb /boot 50GB / 50GB /home 40GB /music and rest swap like 19.5GB
[07:00] <Gmail> what should i change that to?
[07:00] <chutwig> that's a whole lot of swap
[07:00] <WW> Gmail: You don't need 19.5GB for swap
[07:00] <Sensebend> that is a lot of boot too
[07:00] <chutwig> he might need to keep like 200 kernels around, though
[07:00] <Sensebend> not much home
[07:00] <Gmail> chutwig: it will be 1% of my mounted space
[07:01] <WW> Gmail: How much RAM do you have?
[07:01] <bob2> Gmail: that's not the point
[07:01] <bob2> Gmail: 19.5GB of swap is a complete waste
[07:01] <chutwig> twice physical memory is really the largest swap you should need
[07:01] <chutwig> typically 1.5x is more than enough
[07:01] <Gmail> 512MB +200MB (not in system right now)
[07:02] <Sensebend> so 768MB total?
[07:02] <Lathiat> so the most you could possibly want is like 2gig
[07:02] <bob2> the 2x rule is very out of date
[07:02] <chutwig> i honestly would not be concerned with splitting the partitions way up
[07:02] <Gmail> but i never have used my swap before in debian
[07:02] <Sensebend> at the MOST you would want about 2Gigabyte
[07:02] <WW> Gmail: 512MB is probably fine for swap, and even then, your system might never touch it.
[07:02] <bob2> 256MB of swap with 512 is plenty
[07:02] <Lathiat> and even then, i highly doubt youll ever use much of it, if any
[07:02] <Sensebend> 2gigabytes is huge though
[07:02] <WW> Is there an echo in here?
[07:02] <Gmail> Sensebend: - 64mb for gfx
[07:02] <WW> :)
[07:02] <chutwig> i think making a single boot partition, then devoting all the rest to / save whatever you're saving for swap
[07:02] <bob2> Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome
[07:02] <chutwig> is a sensible layout
[07:03] <Sensebend> ah shared video memory
[07:03] <bob2> you don't need a boot partition anymore
[07:03] <Sensebend> I'll agree with bob2
[07:03] <Gmail> wtf is /gnome?
[07:03] <Sensebend> he means home
[07:03] <Gmail> WTF no way
[07:04] <Gmail> i have so much in my /usr/src
[07:04] <bob2> Gmail: then don't put it there
[07:04] <calc> more than 10gb?
[07:04] <Gmail> that it, it self will be 10GB
[07:04] <bob2> Gmail: so put it in /home like a normal person
[07:04] <calc> i make all of the system in a 16GB / partition (including /home)
[07:04] <Lathiat> Gmail: then symlink that dir, dont put it in there (your not supposed to, really) or just make a 160GB / partition
[07:04] <WW> GotD0t: Any luck printing?
[07:05] <Gmail> bob2: do you put gobal source like the kernel source somewhere else than /usr/src?
[07:05] <ygnome> kleaned even
[07:05] <Gmail> calc: i got a cd which has every singal kernel out there till 26.3
[07:05] <bob2> Gmail: of course
[07:05] <Gmail> s/26.3/2.6.3
[07:05] <calc> i put kernel source in /usr/src but it would take a lot to fill 10GB
[07:05] <bob2> Gmail: ~/tmp
[07:05] <rt> damn, these cheap cds suck.
[07:06] <Gmail> ok 30GB /usr?
[07:06] <calc> heh comedy central isn't censoring southpark
[07:06] <Lathiat> Gmail: just make a 160GB /, its just easier.
[07:06] <bob2> Gmail: why are you wasting your time splitting up into multiple partitions?
[07:06] <Lathiat> Gmail: theres no point partitioning up
[07:06] <Gmail> Lathiat: i need one for my /home i swap distro lots of times
[07:06] <bob2> Gmail: obviously your data isn't *that* important, or you would't be formatting it
[07:06] <bob2> 15:02 < bob2> Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome
[07:06] <WW> A separate /home is sort of convenient.
[07:07] <bob2> wow, that's a good idea, bob2!
[07:07] <Gmail> bob2: i never format my /home
[07:07] <bob2> Gmail: why don't you just go do this now instead of wasting time discussing it?
[07:07] <Sensebend> go make your 20GB swap partition
[07:07] <bob2> since you never listen to anyone, anyway, you might as just use whatever idea pops into your head at this particular second
[07:07] <Gmail> ok can i copy my /home stuff to my /partion?
[07:08] <ygnome> Gmail: bob2 has a point, you'd be almost installed by now...
[07:08] <bob2> Gmail: sure!
[07:08] <Gmail> how?
[07:08] <Gmail> ahh wait
[07:08] <Gmail> i copy data from /home to /
[07:08] <Gmail> but then how do i delete home at the same time
[07:09] <Gmail> and make the / bigger
[07:09] <bob2> Gmail: yes!
[07:09] <Sensebend> rm -rf /home
[07:09] <neuro_> rt: hehe
[07:09] <Gmail> lol Sensebend 
[07:09] <Sensebend> to remove it
[07:09] <Sensebend> lol
[07:09] <Sensebend> it won't be moved
[07:09] <rt> wouldn't crocheting be more relaxing and ultimately more rewarding?
[07:09] <Gmail> /exec -o rm -r Sensebend 
[07:10] <Gmail> /exec -o rm -r *Sensebend* 
[07:10] <bob2> Gmail: stop being annoying to everyone
[07:10] <bob2> Gmail: if you want to format /home, do so
[07:10] <Gmail> ok
[07:10] <bob2> ok, goodbye, see you when you have ubuntu installed
[07:10] <Gmail> so do i have to install manbrake now?
[07:10] <WW> rt: Probably not... I imagine long, technical arguments over what kind of yarn is best, and what kind of needles one should use...
[07:10] <neuro_> manbrake?
[07:11] <Gmail> i dont want to go throu manbrake's installer again and have all those errors
[07:11] <ygnome> yea, see you soon Gmail. good luck with it
[07:11] <bob2> Gmail: just burn the cd.  if you can't figure it out in ubuntu, use mandrake.
[07:11] <bob2> Gmail: bye!
[07:11] <neuro_> ww: alt.crocheting.needles.spiky.ouch.ouch.ouch
[07:11] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to set it automatically that i start my linux i dun have to export my proxy everytime
[07:11] <Gmail> neuro_: my cd burner only works manbrake for some reason
[07:11] <|progenic|> can somebody help me ?
[07:11] <neuro_> wtf is "manbrake"?
[07:12] <bob2> neuro_: he can't type.
[07:12] <neuro_> bob2: ah, ok
[07:12] <bob2> |progenic|: in what program?
[07:12] <Gmail> wtf is "neuro_" ?
[07:12] <neuro_> Gmail: it's my nick
[07:12] <bob2> Gmail: stop it.
[07:12] <Gmail> ok
[07:12] <|progenic|> in console
[07:12] <bob2> |progenic|: set it in ~/.bashrc
[07:12] <|progenic|> especially when i want to use apt
[07:12] <neuro_> Gmail: and calling mandrake "manbrake" is somewhat childish, no?
[07:12] <|progenic|> how ?
[07:13] <ygnome> thank god.
[07:13] <bob2> |progenic|: export http_proxy="whatever
[07:13] <bob2> "
[07:13] <Lathiat> |progenic|: For some gnome programs (epiphany, for example) you can set it in Desktop Preferences -> Network Proxy, for stuff off the shell you could set it in ~/.bashrc (add export HTTP_PROXY="http://blah:111") 
[07:13] <neuro_> i wonder why freenode takes people's money at times
[07:13] <neuro_> then i remember lilo has no shame :>
[07:13] <Sensebend> we need ops in this channel
[07:13] <Sensebend> to get rid of such annoying people
[07:13] <Lathiat> oh god he left?
[07:13] <Lathiat> thought id never see the day!
[07:13] <neuro_> hehe
[07:14] <Sensebend> log idiot.log saved
[07:14] <Sensebend> lol
[07:14] <Sensebend> this was comical
[07:14] <Lathiat> heh
[07:14] <Lathiat> not reall
[07:14] <neuro_> Warning: filesystem does not support multi-terabyte files such as you have just saved
[07:14] <Lathiat> y
[07:14] <Lathiat> it pisses us off and is depressing :P
[07:15] <Sensebend> it would have been funny if he ran the command I told him to
[07:15] <Sensebend> lol
[07:15] <Sensebend> rm -rf /home
[07:15] <bob2> Sensebend: no it wouldn't
[07:15] <neuro_> i was about to suggest umount /home && mke2fs /home
[07:15] <bob2> Sensebend: do not recommend that again
[07:16] <tvon|x31> Telling people to do damaging stuff is not a good idea
[07:16] <neuro_> it wouldn't have worked, but it would have been amusing
[07:16] <tvon|x31> even if they are annoying 'newbs'
[07:16] <bob2> gmail has been trying to use linux for well over six months
[07:16] <Sensebend> at least his heart is in the right place
[07:17] <bob2> no, he's abusive and ignores advice
[07:17] <neuro_> even tho his head is in the wrong place?
[07:17] <ygnome> good lord, bob2, is that correct?
[07:17] <neuro_> however i have to suggest tolerance of those not "in the know"
[07:18] <neuro_> and agree with bob2
[07:18] <Sensebend> I agree too
[07:18] <neuro_> all it takes is for one "noob" to come here asking for advice in the wrong way, for them to get brushed off with a dodgy command or three, and it shows up on /. a cpl days later
[07:18] <rt> that's odd.   Burned two different cds on two different machines, both failed installs w/ media errors.  
[07:18] <bob2> rt: did you check their md5sums?
[07:18] <rt> yes.
[07:18] <rt> both checked out okay.
[07:19] <ygnome> rt: maybe it's the install machine's cd drive?
[07:19] <Sensebend> hmm
[07:19] <Mr_Smiley> is there anyway i can find out what module my wireless card is using
[07:19] <rt> never had any trouble with it before...
[07:19] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: "dmesg"
[07:19] <ajmitch_> evening
[07:19] <Sensebend> that guy was obnoxious, I have no problem going well out of my way even donating my spare time to help someone out with OSS
[07:19] <Sensebend> but my patience wears thin with obnoxious people
[07:19] <Sensebend> who refuse to listen to good advice
[07:20] <neuro_> yeah but pissing them off won't help matters
[07:20] <ygnome> rt: didn't i see instructions for installing from the HD a while ago, maybe u should try that...
[07:20] <neuro_> believe me, i've seen the end results
[07:20] <ajmitch_> I wonder if they teach spelling at that private school?
[07:20] <Mr_Smiley> bob2, thanks
[07:20] <neuro_> i've been a part of the smoothwall project for nearly 4 yrs now, and if you know anything of the project history, you'll know what insulting/patronising users can do, no matter how much or little they know
[07:21] <bob2> well, the devs don't come off much better in that story
[07:21] <ygnome> neuro_: yes, but Dick started it!
[07:21] <WW> ajmitch_: they prolly due, but iz kewl 2 mi2pe11
[07:21] <neuro_> ygnome: true dat :)
[07:21] <ajmitch_> WW: that's almost painful to read
[07:21] <tvon|x31> werd
[07:21] <neuro_> pwned
[07:21] <WW> )
[07:21] <Sensebend> I have no problem reading 1337 speak, it just so childish
[07:21] <ajmitch_> hmm, looks like my network setting didn't save
[07:22] <Sensebend> wb GotD0t
[07:22] <neuro_> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
[07:22] <ygnome> I was chatting to Dick on here a few weeks ago, he's much better now!
[07:22] <neuro_> ygnome: he's really not
[07:22] <bob2> ygnome: full of praise and love!
[07:22] <GotD0t> thanks, considering i didnt know i was gone untill i couldnt change my nick
[07:23] <neuro_> his mails to the list are the same kind of mails he's been sending out for years
[07:23] <tvon|x31> When I was 6 my sisters would speak piglatin, they were a few years older... that 1337 shit is about at the same level
[07:23] <ygnome> bob2: well, I could chat for 5 minutes without getting abused. that's an improvement.
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley> so ubuntu comes with madwifi drivers :)
[07:23] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: yes
[07:23] <GotD0t> WW: you still around?
[07:23] <neuro_> a mixture of friendly praise, offers of donations (read: effectively bribes) and utter abuse
[07:23] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: should be setup automatically, too
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley> i was just surprised at how easy it was to get working
[07:23] <Sensebend> I was actually disappointed everything worked as it should
[07:23] <Sensebend> lol
[07:24] <Sensebend> but that's just me
[07:24] <neuro_> i note he's done all three on the users list in the space of a few days
[07:24] <Mr_Smiley> same
[07:24] <ygnome> neuro_: ah. don't get the list, too much incoming as it is...
[07:24] <GotD0t> ok, I'm off to sleep... night all
[07:24] <Sensebend> night
[07:24] <WW> GotD0t: I'm embarassed to admit that yes, I am still around...
[07:24] <Sensebend> I should go to bed soon to
[07:25] <Sensebend> 1:23AM
[07:25] <neuro_> his threatening jdub was a classic
[07:25] <GotD0t> WW: well i just got it working
[07:25] <neuro_> 0625 here :)
[07:25] <WW> kewl
[07:25] <GotD0t> sensebend 1:@% get a watch that works
[07:25] <GotD0t> err
[07:25] <GotD0t> 1:25*
[07:25] <neuro_> ygnome: on behalf of every other member of the team, apols for that
[07:25] <neuro_> you're more than welcome to return if you feel you can be bothered :)
[07:25] <Sensebend> yeah my watch isn't synced to a ntp server
[07:25] <Sensebend> lol
[07:25] <GotD0t> neither is mine
[07:25] <WW> GotD0t: Same way I did?
[07:25] <neuro_> how cool would that be tho? :)
[07:25] <ygnome> neuro_: thanks. np. running ipcop now.
[07:25] <GotD0t> WW: Yea
[07:26] <neuro_> ygnome: ugh :)
[07:26] <ygnome> neuro_: :)
[07:26] <WW> GotD0t: OK, maybe tomorrow I'll put a note in the wiki.
[07:27] <GotD0t-sleep> WW: took me a bit to realize that I still had this box set to DHCP and the ip i was using didnt exist
[07:27] <WW> Bounty?  Isn't that a paper towel?
[07:27] <neuro_> uh sure, but it's been a choc bar longer :)
[07:27] <GotD0t-sleep> ok, im off... bye all
[07:27] <ygnome> neuro_: I still have an email exchange with DM that would make your hair curl. :)
[07:27] <WW> GotD0t-sleep: 'nite
[07:27] <neuro_> ygnome: betcha i've had worse
[07:28] <Sensebend> cya GotD0t-sleep have a nice rest
[07:28] <neuro_> i have all his current email address combinations blocked in my exim config
[07:28] <ygnome> lol
[07:28] <Sensebend> who neuro? dick?
[07:28] <neuro_> aye
[07:28] <neuro_> you're talking about a guy who called me his best mate, then proceeded to call me all sorts of names under the sun and also borderline libel me too
[07:28] <ygnome> I even got a 'cancer' apology at one point inbetween twat messages...
[07:28] <jdub> dudes
[07:29] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[07:29] <crimsun> guys, let's leaves this out
[07:29] <ygnome> k.
[07:29] <neuro_> jdub: yup yup
[07:29] <Sensebend> I'll agree, this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[07:29] <Sensebend> that's ok
[07:29] <Sensebend> remember it is only irc, it is only a mailing list
[07:30] <Sensebend> I'd actually like to finally get VDR working
[07:30] <neuro_> Sensebend: imagine me biting my tongue right now, hehe
[07:30] <angad> hi guys, i am brad new to ubuntu and linux.  whats the best web browser in linux?  epiphany or firefox?
[07:30] <neuro_> i have some magic thirty quid PVR card en route to try out
[07:30] <Sensebend> firefox
[07:30] <neuro_> firefox definitely
[07:30] <angad> great sensebend, thank you.  now that brings me to another question
[07:31] <Sensebend> but it all really boils down to personal preference
[07:31] <crimsun> angad: "best" is subjective, but there's a reason mozilla-firefox is featured prominently ;)
[07:31] <angad> the version that i installed through the synamptic thing was an old version, and so i downloaded the preveiew release
[07:31] <neuro_> i got mythtv running sweet, pity my machine i stotally underpowered to run it in software
[07:31] <angad> and i unintalled the old version using the synamptic thing
[07:31] <neuro_> ubuntu itself runs stupidly fast
[07:31] <angad> but
[07:31] <angad> where are programs supposed to install themselves?  and how do i install the new version into the appropriate directory?
[07:31] <angad> is there a program files directory like windows?
[07:31] <Sensebend> usually /usr/bin
[07:31] <angad> is that the home folder?
[07:31] <angad> thast where the new version seems to have installed itself
[07:31] <neuro_> or /usr/X11/bin for X stuffzors
[07:32] <Lathiat> angad: what are you trying to install
[07:32] <angad> firefox
[07:32] <angad> firefox 1.0, preview release
[07:32] <crimsun> angad: 0.10.1 was reverted to 0.9.3 because 0.10.1 was too unstable
[07:32] <crimsun> angad: hence why it shipped with 0.9.3.
[07:32] <angad> oh, i see
[07:32] <angad> yikes
[07:32] <angad> i better get rid of the preview release then
[07:32] <neuro_> i don't think there's enough of a difference between 0.9.3 and 0.10.1 to get too worried about it
[07:32] <neuro_> all the security stuff was backported anyway
[07:32] <angad> oh ok
[07:33] <tvon|x31> the pre had a a few changes that I miss
[07:33] <neuro_> there are some cute eye candy bits and bobs for sure
[07:33] <angad> ok, i'll try installing it into usr/bin and i'll let you know how it turns out
[07:33] <angad> thanks guys
[07:33] <tvon|x31> fixed a focus issue and keyboard shortcuts (like ctrl-a) in form fields
[07:33] <neuro_> but Actual Browsing is pretty much the same
[07:33] <tvon|x31> yes
[07:33] <Sensebend> tvon|x31, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming
[07:34] <Sensebend> just keep repeating tha
[07:34] <Sensebend> t
[07:34] <neuro_> i'm sure 1.0 will pop up in universe or multiverse once it's out
[07:34] <angad> how do i remove a program?  do i juust remove its directory?
[07:34] <neuro_> use synaptic
[07:35] <angad> can i use it even for pgorams that i didn't use it to install?
[07:35] <ygnome> angad: like?
[07:35] <neuro_> depends how you installed them
[07:35] <angad> firefox preview release
[07:35] <angad> i downloaded an installer file for firefox preview release and installed it into home
[07:35] <angad> home/angad
[07:35] <neuro_> i'd assume it has an uninstall script
[07:35] <angad> ok, ill check now
[07:36] <bob2> angad: don't install from tarballs into /usr...
[07:36] <neuro_> i've always installed firefox on linux using the distro's own version, not the static build from moz.org
[07:36] <angad> what is tarballs
[07:36] <neuro_> a tar archive
[07:36] <bob2> nevermind
[07:36] <Sensebend> compressed tars with source in them
[07:36] <angad> oh i see
[07:36] <neuro_> or a compressed tar archive, i.e. file.tar.gz, file.tar.bz2, etc
[07:36] <Sensebend> compressed with gzip or bzip2
[07:36] <angad> so with a compressed tar file, how am i supposed to install?
[07:36] <angad> where do i install it?
[07:36] <neuro_> angad: you've clearly already installed it :>
[07:37] <Sensebend> just run it
[07:37] <Sensebend> do you know what the path is you installed it to?
[07:38] <angad> yes sensebend, home/angad/firefox-installer
[07:38] <angad> there is a folder called firefox installer that has all the firefox files in it
[07:38] <|progenic|> anybody, how can i play my mp3 from the music player ? it says that i dun have the plugin
[07:38] <neuro_> sounds like a FAQ to me
[07:38] <bob2> |progenic|: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <angad> also, what is the icon for an eecutable file?  is it a brown diamond with "sh" written on it?
[07:38] <bob2> |progenic|: (it's in the faq)
[07:38] <|progenic|> thx
[07:38] <WW> |progenic|: Maybe install gstreamer0.8-mad (or something like that)
[07:38] <Sensebend> |progenic|, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <neuro_> angad: that's a shell script
[07:39] <Sensebend> uncomment the lines regarding universal
[07:39] <Sensebend> and sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:39] <angad> neuro, i don't see any executiable files in the folder where i installed firefox.  i see the sh file called "firefox" which runs firefox if i click on it
[07:39] <angad> where are the executable files placed?
[07:39] <|progenic|> is the apt-get will make the shortcut of the program from my applications menu ?
[07:40] <neuro_> angad: i don't know, like i said i've never used the firefox binaries from moz.org
[07:40] <angad> oh i see, ok.
[07:40] <neuro_> i only ever download windows binaries from them
[07:40] <u_d> 
[07:40] <neuro_> or older versions from browsers.evolt.org, and i rarely install stuff from there
[07:41] <WW> |progenic|: Depends on whether the package follows the standard for the desktop menu system. Some programs do, some don't.
[07:42] <WW> angad: Is there a README file somewhere in the stuff you downloaded?
[07:43] <neuro_> gawd bless 1 meg dsl
[07:43] <neuro_> (if you have much faster dsl, shurrup)
[07:44] <Sensebend> 3mbit cable
[07:44] <neuro_> gnar
[07:44] <angad> let me scheck WW
[07:44] <neuro_> at least i get 100 meg at the office :>
[07:45] <Sensebend> that must be nice
[07:45] <Sensebend> work lots of late hours
[07:45] <Sensebend> when no one else is in the office
[07:45] <Sensebend> ;)
[07:45] <neuro_> actually gigabit, but only 100 meg transit
[07:45] <neuro_> always someone in the office, 24/7 staffed datacentre :(
[07:45] <neuro_> hence i only dl pr0n at home ... erm, i mean research papers, yes, research stuff
[07:46] <neuro_> angad: looks like you'd be best off firing up a terminal window and typing
[07:46] <neuro_> ~/firefox-installer/firefox-installer
[07:46] <neuro_> and following the installation doobrie
[07:47] <neuro_> there's no readme, silly mozilla types
[07:48] <WW> Time to go. 'night all.
[07:48] <neuro_> nn ww
[07:49] <rsgill> hey, it seems that the ubuntu kernels have bootsplash support, but even if I start up with a framebuffer console, it doesn't seem to come up?  Anyone know more?
[07:49] <neuro_> man, i love 6Music at this time in the morning
[07:51] <|progenic|> since we don't have a root account, then how to set a root password ?
[07:51] <|progenic|> anybody ?
[07:51] <neuro_> sudo passwd
[07:52] <neuro_> or sudo su -    then do passwd 
[07:52] <|progenic|> thx
[07:52] <joolz> |progenic|: generally if you want to do things like that you could enter a sudo rootshell with `sudo -s`
[07:53] <|progenic|> ic
[07:53] <neuro_> each to their own tho
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ you wouldn't need to do sudo su -
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ it would just be su -
[07:54] <Zindar> or "sudo su -" because $HOME and other stuff is better
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> su is a public command for all users
[07:54] <neuro_> not if you don't know the root password
[07:54] <Zindar> but you can't su if there is no root password
[07:54] <Zindar> but you can use sudo su -
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ in that case you 'sudo passwd root'
[07:54] <|progenic|> to tell the truth, ubuntu is great
[07:54] <|progenic|> i'm satisfied with it so far
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> Indeed.
[07:54] <|progenic|> :)
[07:54] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: i've been using linux for years, it's ok I don't need a tutorial :>
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ Have I offended?
[07:55] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: not in the slightest, note the smiley at end of my last
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ just making sure :-)
[07:55] <neuro_> :)
[07:55] <neuro_> i usually do root stuff as root on my own boxen, but sudo on shared boxen to preserve the "whodunnit" trail
[07:56] <neuro_> woo, talking heads
[07:56] <FLeiXiuS> The bad part about ubuntu is the default user over SSH has a unencrypted password
[07:56] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: huh?
[07:56] <FLeiXiuS> so its always good to passwd your_username
[07:56] <neuro_> ssh *never* has unencrypted passwords
[07:57] <crimsun> ssh is not unenciphered.
[07:57] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ its plain text
[07:57] <FLeiXiuS> easily able to de-encrypt
[07:57] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: demonstrable proof?
[07:57] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: what are you referring to?
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> crimsun the first user created on ubuntu has an uncrpyted password
[07:58] <neuro_> how so?
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> That I do not know, i haven't checked the install process
[07:58] <neuro_> huh?
[07:58] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: incorrect. It is hashed with a salt and stored where appropriate in the passwd file.
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> But, I have tested it over SSH
[07:58] <neuro_> ssh DOES NOT perform password exchange in the clear
[07:59] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: how have you checked it precisely?
[07:59] <neuro_> ubuntu itself doesn't store user passwords in cleartext either
[07:59] <FLeiXiuS> of couse it wouldn't, that would be obsurd
[07:59] <neuro_> but you just said ...
[07:59] <FLeiXiuS> I just said that the password wasn't encrpted
[07:59] <neuro_> um
[07:59] <neuro_> ok, you've lost me
[07:59] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: where is it unenciphered?
[07:59] <neuro_> and probably everyone else here :)
[07:59] <joolz> neuro_: yep :)
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> And that when you've hit SSH it encrypts it only over SSH, therefore its much more easier to obtain by a sniffer
[08:00] <neuro_> ok, go back to the start
[08:00] <|progenic|> on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx
[08:00] <neuro_> at what point are you seeing this and how did you observe it?
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> Instead of the password being double encrypted its encrypted once at the SSH layer
[08:00] <neuro_> "double encrypted"?
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ encrypted by ssh and by passwd
[08:01] <neuro_> still lost me, dude
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> woosh
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> Its alright, sorry lol
[08:01] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: ah, you mean its only encrypted by ssh and you saw the password with a keylogger?
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, precisely
[08:01] <neuro_> lol
[08:01] <|progenic|> on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx
[08:02] <joolz> well, that's normal, it's not a ssh flaw
[08:02] <neuro_> name an OS that *doesn't* behave as you've observed ubuntu behaving
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> |progenic|, haven't u said that more then enough?
[08:02] <|progenic|> i think nobody have read it, sorry
[08:02] <joolz> if anyone has access to your cables and can snigg, you're not safe anymore
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, but im saying if you sudo passwd USER, then it would add another layer of encryptain
[08:02] <neuro_> |progenic|: i'd delete the movie, i'd wager it's a copyright violation and you shouldn't be watching it anyway :)
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> |progenic|: chmod +x file
[08:03] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: how would it?
[08:03] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: not on fat32
[08:03] <joolz> neuro_: yeah, i'm curious too
[08:03] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, explain
[08:03] <neuro_> all running passwd with sudo would do is run it with root privilege
[08:03] <|progenic|> it's a fansubs
[08:03] <|progenic|> :P
[08:03] <|progenic|> anime
[08:03] <joolz> ok, i'll try to explain: "i really don't understand" :)
[08:03] <neuro_> it would still be susceptible to a local keylogger
[08:04] <|progenic|> all of them haven't been licenced
[08:04] <neuro_> |progenic|: i was only kidding, no need to explain yourself
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ ah i see where you are getting at,
[08:04] <|progenic|> it's a directory not a file that show the lock key
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> I was mis-comprehending what I was saying my self until I actually thought about it
[08:04] <joolz> neuro_: yes, like i said. that's why it's better to work with key files and not allow password logins
[08:04] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: aha? :)
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> lol
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> yes
[08:04] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: i assure you that the password being sent in the ssh exchange would be encrypted strongly enough to survive repeated sniffs
[08:04] <joolz> s/\?/\!/
[08:05] <neuro_> joolz: mmm, ssh keys
[08:05] <neuro_> i (heart) em
[08:05] <joolz> but using keyfiles would also protect you from lan sniffers
[08:05] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I was taking it as, encypt the password locally then over ssh would provide more security
[08:05] <joolz> neuro_: yes
[08:05] <neuro_> oooh, apollo 440
[08:05] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: no it wouldn't, how could it provide *more* security?
[08:05] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: no, if you want local security too, use ssh key files
[08:05] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, key files are very usefull, i have a mouth full of them for backup locations lol
[08:05] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: ah, ok
[08:06] <FLeiXiuS> lol, ok, new topic
[08:06] <FLeiXiuS> Hows the ubuntu experiences so far?
[08:06] <neuro_> great here
[08:06] <neuro_> once i get my pvr card for my ubuntu/mythtv box, hopefully even better
[08:07] <Gmail> at last
[08:07] <Gmail> i am in ubuntu
[08:07] <Gmail> but still installing
[08:08] <FLeiXiuS> Configuring the systems were always fun
[08:08] <Gmail> ok can some one tell me the first 3 cartiters of the ubuntu i386 cd
[08:08] <FLeiXiuS> I need a nice 1 level desk so i can fit multiple monitors
[08:09] <Gmail> i wrote it down and missed out those 3
[08:09] <neuro_> cartiters?
[08:09] <neuro_> sounds rude
[08:09] <Zindar> cartiters ? (my english don't know that word :) )
[08:09] <FLeiXiuS> Zindar I know right? lol
[08:09] <FLeiXiuS> Hmm..cartiters...hmm
[08:10] <Zindar> Cartier
[08:10] <Zindar>        n : French explorer who explored the St. Lawrence river and laid
[08:10] <Zindar>            claim to the region for France (1491-1557) [syn: {Jacques
[08:10] <Zindar>            Cartier}] 
[08:10] <Zindar> can't be it ?
[08:10] <Zindar> right? :)
[08:10] <Gmail> like letters && numbers?
[08:11] <Gmail> cariters?
[08:11] <smo> (characters?)
[08:11] <Gmail> the md5sum
[08:11] <FLeiXiuS> characters ?
[08:11] <Gmail> yes smo 
[08:11] <FLeiXiuS> yeah
[08:11] <FLeiXiuS> Ah, understood
[08:11] <Zindar> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[08:12] <Gmail> ok
[08:13] <TheMuso> q
[08:14] <Gmail> Zindar: thats the image
[08:14] <Gmail> i am talking about when its on the cd
[08:14] <Gmail> well doesnt matter
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> ...what?
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> lol
[08:14] <Zindar> I don't understand
[08:14] <Gmail> i see there is a md5sum.txt file on the cd
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> when you put it on the cd, the contents of the iso are extracted to the CD in a bootable format
[08:15] <Gmail> well is the ident that apt-cdrom shows the md5sum?
[08:15] <neuro_> Gmail: do you mean the entry for /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:15] <Zindar> I'd be VERY impressed if the cd-image contained a md5sum of the cd-image itself
[08:15] <Zindar> that would be really cool :)
[08:15] <neuro_> :))
[08:15] <Gmail> lol
[08:15] <Gmail> d/m
[08:15] <Gmail> GNOME WORKS
[08:15] <Gmail> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> always a good sign
[08:16] <Gmail> PARTY AT MY HOME
[08:16] <neuro_> apt-get install temporal-mechanics
[08:16] <neuro_> temporal-mechanics is already the latest version
[08:16] <Zindar> well.. considering that I've spent the last 5 years in gnome... i'd be surprised if not :)
[08:16] <Gmail> hmm the computer menu is cool
[08:16] <Gmail> brb
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> Zindar, im working on my 3rd
[08:16] <neuro_> can i come out from behind the sofa yet?
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> I began Linux when I was 13, first purchasing redhat 8
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ if your up for it :-P
[08:17] <Zindar> I just passed running linux 10 years now
[08:17] <Zindar> that was fun....
[08:17] <Zindar> or something
[08:17] <neuro_> Zindar: bout same for me too
[08:17] <smo> Speaking of the Computer menu, is it intentional that there's no context/right-click menu on it?
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> How old are you guys?  If its not offending to ask :-P
[08:18] <Gmail> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[08:18] <neuro_> and without wanting to sound like i'm sucking up too much, ubuntu's the most impressive distro i've seen
[08:18] <Zindar> kids
[08:18] <Gmail> ok when will xchat be upgraded to 2.4?
[08:18] <neuro_> Zindar: yep </grumble>
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> Zindar: hush, im 16 :-)
[08:18] <Zindar> :)
[08:18] <neuro_> Gmail: in hoary most likely
[08:18] <Gmail> i can port debians .deb to ubuntu
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> I love my job though
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> PC Sales / Tech for Best Buy :-)
[08:19] <linux_galore> :-D
[08:19] <Gmail> neuro_: you are telling me there will be no upgrade till the hoary branch opens?
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> Wonderful job for my age
[08:19] <rt> bizarre, I disabled dma on my cdrom, and it installed fine (if somewhat slowly)
[08:19] <Zindar> Gmail: correct
[08:19] <neuro_> Gmail: no, i'm suggesting to you that that's what i reckon
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> I believe I should boot into Ubuntu right about now :-)
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> I miss it dearly
[08:20] <Zindar> there will be no VERSION updates in warty...  there will be security updates...
[08:20] <Zindar> dependable xp? :)
[08:20] <Zindar> hehe
[08:20] <neuro_> sure
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> Zindar I was just about to say that ;-P
[08:20] <dchart> I have a slight install problem, but I suspect someone can help.
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I'm in XP also, but only for Photoshop since cedega didn't work to well with photoshop
[08:20] <dchart> I'm on PPC, and the PPC iso crashes Apple's disk utility.
[08:21] <Gmail> LOL
[08:21] <dchart> This makes burning the install CD hard...
[08:21] <neuro_> rarely blue screens unless i plug in surly usb devices, rarely crashes unless i hassle it with crap software, generally Just Works
[08:21] <Gmail> when will hoary branch be made?
[08:21] <neuro_> debian sarge on most of my servers
[08:21] <Gmail> i really want xchat 2.4?
[08:21] <neuro_> Gmail: so compile it from source?
[08:21] <dchart> Does someone happen to know the command line to burn from a .iso in cdrecord?
[08:21] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ my server runs fedora c2
[08:21] <Zindar> Gmail: I'd compile the debian .deb on ubuntu if you feel you need it
[08:21] <neuro_> i like fedora more than i thought i would
[08:21] <Gmail> i then might start a upgrade service for ubuntu
[08:22] <neuro_> more heavy than ubuntu imo tho
[08:22] <Gmail> which will have debian .deb's ported to ubuntu
[08:22] <Zindar> dchart: cdrecord -dev blaha  speed=blaha -verbose -data file.iso
[08:22] <Zindar> should work
[08:22] <FLeiXiuS> dchart hence, change the blahs :-P
[08:22] <FLeiXiuS> you wouldn't believe how many people would tpye that in and ask u what to do
[08:22] <dchart> Zindar: Thanks.
[08:23] <dchart> I was planning to check on sensible values for speed...
[08:23] <neuro_> this is why command --help or man command rocks :)
[08:23] <neuro_> (or both in concert)
[08:24] <dchart> It covers everything you might want to do with the utility, and digging out something dead simple is non-trivial.
[08:24] <Zindar> dchart: 4? 8? 16? 24? you can also do a dry-run burn.. which will test if it's going to work
[08:24] <Gmail> WAW
[08:24] <Gmail> add date stamps to xchat and it stuffs up
[08:24] <neuro_> dchart: that's why using / to search for terms in man pages also rocks :)
[08:24] <smo> cdrecord seems to be much saner if you fill out the values in /etc/cdrecord/ - then you can simply "cdrecord -data filename"
[08:24] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I just pipe it :-P
[08:25] <neuro_> Gmail: so use a man's IRC client like BitchX or ircii :)
[08:25] <dchart> Zindar: That's -dummy, right?
[08:25] <FLeiXiuS> |grep :-D
[08:25] <Zindar> dchart: no idea.. sounds right :)
[08:25] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: doesn't give you context tho
[08:25] <dchart> Zindar: Oh, great. Well if I get a coaster it's All Your Fault. ;-)
[08:25] <neuro_> hehe
[08:25] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ `more man cdrecord |grep cd
[08:25] <Zindar> dchart: I do that for free... just for you
[08:25] <Zindar> :)
[08:25] <Gmail> neuro_ i said i added date stamps to the client and it stuffs up
[08:26] <neuro_> that would page the results of the grep, not the man page itslef
[08:26] <Gmail> but i fixed it
[08:26] <neuro_> Gmail: and i said use A Real IRC Client :>
[08:26] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ well i was going for what i wanted, not the full context :-p
[08:26] <FLeiXiuS> Which method would you prefer?
[08:26] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: my point is that sometimes just grepping doesn't give you local context, which can be useful most times
[08:26] <FLeiXiuS> ah understood.
[08:27] <neuro_> intrepid:~> man cdrecord | wc -l
[08:27] <neuro_> 1686
[08:27] <neuro_> intrepid:~> man cdrecord | grep -c cd
[08:27] <neuro_> 183
[08:27] <Gmail> neuro_: i am waiting till irssi rewrite is finished
[08:27] <neuro_> Gmail: cool :)
[08:27] <Gmail> but heh i am moving to irssi maybe
[08:27] <Lathiat> Gmail: so have you un fucked your computer yet?
[08:27] <FLeiXiuS> Gmail, I've always wantd to give irsii a try..
[08:27] <joolz> Gmail: which rewrite?
[08:27] <rt> boy, installing this stuff isn't exactly fast, is it?
[08:27] <Lathiat> rt: installing what?
[08:28] <rt> ubuntu.
[08:28] <rt> i'm having xp flashbacks.
[08:28] <neuro_> depends how fast your machine and/or internet connection is
[08:28] <FLeiXiuS> rt: its the fasted distro I have ever installed
[08:28] <Gmail> i am in gnome
[08:28] <smo> I'd really like to see a "nice" GUI client.  I don't see why IRC should have to put hairs on your chest
[08:28] <joolz> Gmail: afaik irssi is installed by default
[08:28] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: at the risk of running highly off topic, i betcha smoothwall can beat it :)
[08:28] <joolz> and there won't be a gui version
[08:28] <Gmail> i got irssi installed
[08:28] <Gmail> brb
[08:28] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I haven't tried it :-P
[08:28] <rt> it's in the second stage install, and has been going for well over an hour for me.
[08:29] <joolz> rt: cool
[08:29] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: world record, 0.9.9SE in 2.5 mins 
[08:29] <FLeiXiuS> damn, hell of a nice install :-P
[08:29] <FLeiXiuS> what does it include?
[08:29] <neuro_> mind you, took me about an hour and a half to install ubuntu including downloading all the RC updates 
[08:29] <neuro_> then another 12 hours to compile mythtv :P
[08:29] <FLeiXiuS> ha
[08:30] <rt> given that it's a single cd, it seems abominably slow to take so long to install.
[08:30] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: go to the smoothwall site for more info, no point in spamming #ubuntu with all the details
[08:30] <neuro_> rt: what spec of machine and cd drive?
[08:30] <rt> 8x dvd drive.  800mhz cpu.
[08:30] <rt> not the fastest, but no slouch either.
[08:31] <Gmail> UBUNTU ROCKS
[08:31] <Lathiat> rt: how longs it taken on you so far?
[08:31] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_, :-P Just asking for a breif definition, How did you connect mythtv to your computer?
[08:31] <Gmail> when is the hoary branch opening up?
[08:31] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_, the tv connection 
[08:31] <Lathiat> Gmail: who knows, who cares
[08:31] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: i have a wintv pci card hooked up to a sky digital digibox
[08:31] <Gmail> i care
[08:31] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: but the software encoding was waaaay too slow - p/// 500 with 128 meg ram :(
[08:31] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ very very nice
[08:31] <joolz> Lathiat: i do :) x.org, alpha blending hmm
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> geez, that could take a bit of time ;-)
[08:32] <Gmail> i want kernel 2.6.9 it fixes the PnP problem with my motherboard
[08:32] <neuro_> so have picked up a card off ebay that does hardware mpeg 1/2/4
[08:32] <Zindar> Gmail: just wait.. it will open when people think it's ready.. but you are a fool if you start using it when it open.. it's likely to break your computer
[08:32] <neuro_> and somewhere in my laptop's firefox history are some mailing list posts to get the card running under linux
[08:33] <neuro_> if i can get it all running, i'll get it documented and stick up a web page aboot it
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ whats your occupation?
[08:34] <neuro_> sysadmin for an is
[08:34] <neuro_> p
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> Which ISP, perhaps u could provide me with a little more up rates :-)
[08:34] <neuro_> tis a uk one, doubtful :)
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> Very doubtful lol
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> USA <-
[08:35] <neuro_> your whois kinda gave that away :)
[08:35] <FLeiXiuS> Perhaps a very very strong WISP to reach the east coast of america
[08:35] <neuro_> maryland, right?
[08:35] <rt> ah, finally finished.
[08:36] <jgeorgeson> if my [intel]  cpu doesn't support speedstep, is there any reason to run powernowd?
[08:36] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ good job
[08:36] <calc> i think neuro_'s job is to confuse other people into thinking he is neuro ;)
[08:36] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: trivial to find out as you have MD in your cable connections hostname :>
[08:36] <neuro_> calc: not at all!
[08:36] <Zindar> wow.. thunder....
[08:36] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ you can actualy track that to my IP address, ;-P
[08:37] <psyklops> where would it be most appropriate to ask about problems with flash?
[08:37] <FLeiXiuS> Which in turn i do not care because its my public address anyways :-P
[08:37] <Gmail> Zindar: we can open something like backports.org
[08:37] <Lathiat> jgeorgeson: not really not, unless it supports other similar things
[08:37] <alejandro_> huh....there is no xine package in the repository?
[08:37] <Lathiat> jgeorgeson: powernowd does more than just speedstep iirc
[08:37] <Zindar> Gmail: sure.. have fun
[08:37] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: totally trivial to discover, honest! ... FLeiXiuS is ~Nick@[blahblah] .essex01.md.comcast.net * Nick R
[08:37] <Gmail> Zindar: ok
[08:37] <Zindar> alejandro_: add universe
[08:38] <neuro_> i thought powernowd was only for AMD CPUs
[08:38] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ as I said, it wouldn't bother me for people who see my site would recieve my IP anyways since my Server is ran from home
[08:38] <dchart> OK, the dry run appears to be going well. Thanks everyone. I'll hang around in case it all goes horribly wrong... ;-)
[08:38] <Gmail> backports.ubuntulinux.org
[08:38] <alejandro_> Zindar, what does that?
[08:38] <Zindar> alejandro_: add's lot's of unsupported software to synaptics... so you can install xine
[08:38] <jgeorgeson> neuro_: apparently it handles speedstep too
[08:39] <neuro_> coo
[08:39] <alejandro_> Zindar, there is no way to do that in the console?
[08:39] <alejandro_> :S
[08:39] <Zindar> alejandro_: sure is.. sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment the universe line
[08:39] <RageMax> are there any asterisk packages for ubuntu?
[08:39] <Zindar> alejandro_: apt-get update
[08:39] <Zindar> alejandro_: apt-get install xine
[08:39] <jgeorgeson> neuro_: it does voltage changes too, i think to maximize battery life
[08:39] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I'm the network administrator for my school, so its quite aprehensive that I would allow my hostname to be delivered online, but I know the risks and just do not care :-P
[08:39] <alejandro_> Zindar, greit, thanks :)
[08:39] <neuro_> jgeorgeson: ah, cool
[08:40] <alejandro_> so, i'm wondering if its possible to use the debian repositories also?
[08:40] <FLeiXiuS> alejandro_ I dont see a reason why not too
[08:40] <Zindar> alejandro_: yes... if you are lucky... it is totaly unsupported and might break your computer
[08:40] <jgeorgeson> alejandro_: it will probably break as you might have packages with the same name/version from different repos and apt could pick the wrong one
[08:41] <Zindar> alejandro_: but WHY? universe has almost everything that debian has
[08:41] <FLeiXiuS> hence universe
[08:41] <alejandro_> Zindar, it was just a wondering ;)
[08:42] <alejandro_> jgeorgeson, so, apt-get can't figure out wich one is the right package?
[08:42] <jgeorgeson> Zindar: universe is a static snapshot though. for example, kde stuff in universe is older than what's current in unstable
[08:43] <jgeorgeson> alejandro_: when you have more then one source with the same version of the same package name it picks randomly. in ubuntu's case, there could be a package rebuilt for ubuntu which is different, but has the same name/version as the debian one
[08:43] <jgeorgeson> alejandro_: so if it picks the debian one instead, then things could break
[08:43] <Zindar> jgeorgeson: true... I don't do kde
[08:44] <jgeorgeson> Zindar: just an example
[08:44] <rt> okay, i've just stalled ubuntu.  how do I listen to mp3s from it?
[08:44] <Zindar> rt: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:44] <jgeorgeson> rt: enable the universe apt source, and install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:45] <Zindar> ohh.. that's in universe? didn't even know that :)
[08:45] <Zindar> hehe
[08:45] <alejandro_> jgeorgeson, it doesn't take the first repository in the sources.list?
[08:45] <rt> what is universe?
[08:45] <|progenic|> anybody, how to make xine to produce sound ? i'm installing from synaptic the xine, but later when i played, it doesn't produce the sound, but for my xmms it works ok
[08:45] <rt> and how do I enable it?
[08:45] <Zindar> rt: go comuter -> system config -> synaptic
[08:45] <jgeorgeson> rt: in synaptic, go to the repositories window and you can enable it there
[08:45] <Gmail> err
[08:46] <Zindar> rt: and follow jgeorgesons advice
[08:46] <Gmail> there is a storm unplug computer?
[08:46] <Gmail> i can see lightning but not here thunder
[08:46] <Zindar> Gmail: where are you at?
[08:46] <Gmail> rose bay
[08:47] <Gmail> sydney
[08:47] <Gmail> home
[08:47] <Zindar> alright.. I'm in sydney too...  great weather you are giving me...
[08:47] <jgeorgeson> rt: more specifically, Settings->Repositories, in synaptic
[08:48] <Gmail> Zindar: where about
[08:48] <alejandro_> is xmms broken in some way? it can't start in my system :S
[08:48] <Zindar> Gmail: pyrmont
[08:48] <rt> and once I'm there, I do what exactly?
[08:48] <alejandro_> I get ==> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[08:48] <Gmail> i am in the wentworth eleteret it lighting
[08:48] <Gmail> WTF WAS THAT
[08:49] <RageMax> so is the "pool" folder on archive.ubuntu.com full of source packages?
[08:49] <TongMaster> Gmail, um, thunder?
[08:49] <jgeorgeson> rt: there will be two pairs of lines that  are almost identical, except for the Sections column
[08:49] <Gmail> sounded like wind blowing a car into some ones home
[08:49] <jgeorgeson> uncheck the Enable column for the two without universe, and check the column for the two with universe
[08:50] <Gmail> bye
[08:50] <Gmail> it was so close to my home
[08:50] <rt> done.  
[08:50] <Gmail> i felt it
[08:50] <Zindar> jgeorgeson: why uncheck?
[08:50] <Zindar> main should still be used
[08:50] <Zindar> and restricted
[08:50] <alejandro_> noone?
[08:51] <jgeorgeson> Zindar: the ones with universe have all that enabled as well, so it would be redundant to not uncheck them
[08:51] <jgeorgeson> rt: you cat hit the Search button on the toolbar and type in gstreamer0.8-mad (for just mp3) or gstreamer0.8-plugins (for all of them)
[08:52] <jgeorgeson> alejandro_: no idea
[08:52] <Zindar> jgeorgeson: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:52] <Zindar> no they don't
[08:52] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[08:52] <Zindar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[08:52] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:52] <Zindar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:53] <jgeorgeson> Zindar: hm, maybe they changed it then. i installed from an RC and mine is different
[08:54] <Zindar> jgeorgeson: might be... mine was also RC.. but maybe later 
[08:54] <sabmoc> how do I install the nvidia drivers with ubuntu?
[08:54] <Zindar> but... don't tell ppl to uncheck :)
[08:54] <Zindar> sabmoc: check binary-drivers on the wiki
[08:54] <Zindar> it's all documented there
[08:54] <sabmoc> thanks
[08:55] <jgeorgeson> rt: so make sure that you have a source with the main and restricted Sections enabled
[08:55] <RageMax> hrm, the asterisk package seems to be missing
[08:55] <RageMax> the source package is in the pool though
[08:55] <jgeorgeson> rt: oh yeah, and you'll probably need to hit the Reload button after changing the Repositories
[08:56] <McManus> Umm...  I just installed ubuntu and I don't seem to be able to mount my boot.......  is this one of those ubuntu features, or is something just broken?
[08:56] <jgeorgeson> McManus: left or right foot?
[08:56] <McManus> heh
[08:57] <McManus> seriously, tho, finding things in the wiki can be harrowing
[08:57] <jgeorgeson> rt: how's it coming along?
[08:58] <dchart> Yay. My install CD has burned apparently successfully. Now to try the next stage...
[08:59] <dchart> Bye.
[08:59] <rt> i'm becoming slightly unimpressed.
[09:00] <crimsun> ..by?
[09:00] <rt> it died on a dependency to libid3tag0
[09:00] <crimsun> what did?
[09:00] <rt> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:00] <crimsun> alejandro_: is this for xmms?
[09:00] <jgeorgeson> rt: you must have had sources like Zindar, as opposed to like me. Go back to the Repositories window
[09:00] <alejandro_> crimsun, yes
[09:00] <crimsun> alejandro_: are you also using the binary Nvidia drivers?
[09:01] <alejandro_> yes
[09:01] <crimsun> alejandro_: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[09:02] <alejandro_> crimsun, why is that?
[09:02] <rt> and once I'm there, do....?
[09:03] <jgeorgeson> how many sources do you have enabled?
[09:03] <Zindar> rt: make sure you have the lines with sections "main restriced" and "universe" enabled
[09:04] <|progenic|> exit
[09:06] <rt> allrighty.
[09:06] <rt> that seems to have worked.
[09:07] <jgeorgeson> rt: i think that was my fault for telling you to disable some without first checking what they were, as Zindar pointed out
[09:08] <srbaker_> is it possible to make ubuntu *not* do OSS?
[09:08] <srbaker_> i want just alsa
[09:09] <jgeorgeson> srbaker_ gstreamer-properties will let you set all gstreamer apps to use alsa
[09:09] <srbaker_> jgeorgeson, i want to have my system stop loading the OSS modules.  period
[09:10] <alejandro_> i just installed the nvidia-glx and nvidia-configuration, are those the drivers?
[09:10] <alejandro_> :-\
[09:11] <rt> but i have streaming mp3 files.
[09:11] <alejandro_> O_o
[09:12] <alejandro_> no?
[09:14] <alejandro_> can anyone tell me what does this package is? i mean, wich king of driver: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-k7
[09:15] <alejandro_> which
[09:15] <crimsun> alejandro_: it contains various binary-only drivers
[09:15] <crimsun> like nvidia's kernel module and ati's
[09:15] <jgeorgeson> alejandro_: there's a faq/howto/wiki for the nvidia driver, i'm looking for the url
[09:15] <crimsun> firmware, etc.
[09:16] <crimsun> alejandro_: libmikmod2 is required because of a quirk
[09:16] <alejandro_> crimsun, got it, i used apt-cache show :)
[09:16] <alejandro_> thanks
[09:16] <crimsun> alejandro_: it's a long-standing issue and has existed in Debian for a year
[09:16] <crimsun> no one knows precisely why
[09:16] <bob2> alejandro_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:16] <bob2> which is easy to find
[09:17] <bob2> crimsun: xmms doesn't require libmikmod2
[09:17] <alejandro_> crimsun, and why is this package not a dependency?
[09:17] <bob2> the GL issue with xmms is a bug with nvidia's drivers
[09:17] <crimsun> bob2: no, it doesn't, but using the Nvidia driver exposes...right.
[09:17] <crimsun> alejandro_: bob2's answer.
[09:17] <jdub> alejandro_: it's a recommends, because it's not an absolute requirement.
[09:18] <jgeorgeson> what's the multiverse section for? i don't see any binary-i386 packages in it
[09:18] <alejandro_> jdub, it is if xmms won't start :P
[09:18] <bob2> jgeorgeson: non-free stuff
[09:19] <jgeorgeson> like libdvdcss and w32codecs? or like jre, flash, and real?
[09:20] <bob2> the first two are patent-encumbered and cannot be distributed at all
[09:22] <jgeorgeson> right, i wasn't sure which definition of 'non-free' so i tried to list two groups of software that were non-free in different ways :)
[09:22] <bob2> I don't think any of the others are in multiverse, either
[09:23] <alejandro_> another question, there is linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7 and linux-k7 package, what is the difference between them? :S
[09:23] <bob2> it's more for non-free software like qmail 
[09:23] <bob2> alejandro_: linux-k7 pulls in the latest version of the kernel for you
[09:23] <jgeorgeson> ah
[09:23] <alejandro_> bob2, got it :) thanks
[09:25] <alejandro_> why everything is about using sudo? :-\ (curiosity ;))
[09:26] <bob2> why not?
[09:27] <alejandro_> :P that's not an answer
[09:27] <bob2> it's far far far easier than logging out and back in again as root.
[09:28] <alejandro_> well, will check the nvidia drivers
[09:28] <bob2> and, more importantly, it saved a whole installer question
[09:35] <sabmoc> my nvidia driver doesnt seem to work when I use a nonstandard ubuntu kernel. Do I need I need to recompile the nvidia driver? Do I do it the same as I would for a regular debian system with make-kpkg?
[09:35] <sabmoc> or is there a special ubuntu way
[09:36] <Lathiat> sabmoc: yes, you neeed to recompile them
[09:36] <bob2> if you build your own kernel, you have to build all your modules, too
[09:36] <bob2> it's really waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier to use the ubuntu ones
[09:36] <sabmoc> i didnt build the kernel bob
[09:36] <sabmoc> its a non-official ubuntu kernel, i was hoping it would just work
[09:36] <alejandro_> nvidia works now :)
[09:37] <bob2> sabmoc: nope.
[09:37] <sabmoc> ic
[09:37] <sabmoc> well, see you folks in an hour i guess..
[09:37] <alejandro_> how the shell stop gnome to play sounds on events??? :S
[09:37] <bob2> computer -> desktop -> sound
[09:37] <Paleon> here's what I hope is a simple Gnome question.  I seem to have lost the feature where active programs are listed at the bottom of the screen.  I still have the panel.  It's jsut empty no matter how many apps I have open.
[09:37] <Paleon> How do I get it back?
[09:38] <Zindar> Paleon: right click.. add to panel...
[09:38] <Zindar> Paleon: and then it's named something with window list or whatever
[09:38] <Zindar> you'll find it
[09:38] <Paleon> ty
[09:42] <alejandro_> is there a way to stop the sounds? :S
[09:42] <jdub> desktop preferences > sounds ... turn off 'sounds for events'
[09:43] <alejandro_> damn, didn't saw that sorry
[09:43] <Zindar> alejandro_: bob2 already answered that question for you....
[09:43] <alejandro_> i was trying to delete the sounds entries :P
[09:44] <Zindar> jdub: hi.. what's up today?
[09:44] <jdub> not much
[09:44] <jdub> mostly down
[09:44] <jdub> (rain)
[09:44] <Zindar> enjoying the nice weather...
[09:44] <Zindar> :(
[09:44] <Zindar> sucks bigtime
[09:44] <jdub> nah, it's great
[09:45] <jdub> hopefully drought breaking
[09:45] <Zindar> I was told it was warm and sunny here.. I'm just a little disipointed :)
[09:45] <Zindar> true... for you guys who get to stay here... for me it sucks :)
[09:46] <|progenic|> anybody ?
[09:46] <|progenic|> is there a way to fix why my xine cannot produce sound ?
[09:46] <bob2> tell it to use esd
[09:47] <Zindar> turn up the volume? :)
[09:47] <Zindar> sorry,, just works for me
[09:47] <|progenic|> :S
[09:47] <bob2> or get a soundcard that Just Works, like a emu10k1-based one
[09:47] <Zindar> use totem?
[09:47] <|progenic|> my xmms can work
[09:47] <|progenic|> but i dunno y my xine didn't work
[09:47] <|progenic|> i use xine-ui
[09:47] <bob2> 17:46 < bob2> tell it to use esd
[09:47] <|progenic|> esd ?
[09:48] <|progenic|> from apt-get install that esd ?
[09:48] <bob2> no
[09:48] <bob2> configure xine to use esd.
[09:51] <|progenic|> wow it works
[09:51] <|progenic|> thx
[09:51] <|progenic|> :d
[09:53] <Pizbit> How does one get the view as image collection in nautilus?
[09:56] <chimaera> hi. seems that i can't install ubuntu on my sata drive. hw-detection bails out when trying to load sd_mod..
[10:01] <pastyhermit> way to go on the new ubuntu!
[10:01] <pastyhermit> and the theme isnt skanky either :D
[10:01] <pastyhermit> Where would I start if I wanted to install WindwoMaker
[10:01] <bob2> enable universe
[10:01] <bob2> install windowmaker
[10:02] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install wmaker
[10:02] <pastyhermit> sweet
[10:02] <pastyhermit> thanks
[10:02] <pastyhermit> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:02] <pastyhermit> Package wmaker is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:02] <pastyhermit> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:02] <pastyhermit> is only available from another source
[10:02] <pastyhermit> hrm
[10:02] <Dethread> is there a way of finding out which packages I have installed? (in a terminal, not synaptic)
[10:03] <jdub> Dethread: dpkg -l
[10:03] <Dethread> thx
[10:03] <joolz> Dethread: dpkg --list
[10:03] <pastyhermit> bob2,  your way didnt work either
[10:04] <bob2> yes it does
[10:04] <bob2> you didn't enable universe
[10:04] <pastyhermit> root@ubuntu:/home/rvirani # enable universe
[10:04] <pastyhermit> bash: enable: universe: not a shell builtin
[10:04] <evilstoy> WindowMaker 0.90.0 is out, there is deb package already?
[10:04] <bob2> pastyhermit: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[10:04] <bob2> pastyhermit: it's not a command
[10:04] <pastyhermit> bob2,  thanks
[10:04] <bob2> evilstoy: new packages will not be uploaded to warty
[10:04] <crimsun> evilstoy: no, but I will be creating a diff.gz you can apply against the upstream tarball
[10:05] <evilstoy> ok
[10:05] <phlog> it looks like lots of packages didn't get installed when copying packages to /var failed
[10:05] <Dethread> if I want to install gnome, what's the name of the package?
[10:05] <phlog> :)
[10:05] <Dethread> emr
[10:06] <joolz> Dethread: lol
[10:06] <phlog> Dethread was asking for me
[10:06] <Dethread> yeah, I didn't know he was in here
[10:06] <phlog> where would the packages be on the install CD?
[10:07] <Dethread> apt-get knows where they are....
[10:07] <Dethread> you just need to know the package name
[10:07] <bob2> Dethread: gnome is installed by default
[10:07] <bob2> phlog: pool/
[10:07] <Dethread> it crashed during phlog's install
[10:07] <Dethread> didn't get as far as installing gnome
[10:07] <Dethread> he's doing it manually now
[10:07] <pastyhermit> the wiki isnt makin senbse
[10:07] <phlog> all I can seem to find are the Package files which describe which packages exist
[10:07] <pastyhermit> I cant see any packages called universe
[10:07] <fishbulb> anyone know where i can get the deb for mp3s on rhythmbox?
[10:07] <bob2> then restart it, it will be a whole lot easier
[10:07] <bob2> phlog: the packages are in the pool
[10:07] <jdub> Dethread: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <bob2> fishbulb: gstreamer-mad
[10:07] <jdub> Dethread: that'd be the best thing to do
[10:08] <fishbulb> cheers bob2
[10:08] <Dethread> phlog, try that 
[10:08] <phlog> it says ubuntu-desktop doesn't exist
[10:09] <pastyhermit> bob2, any ideas?
[10:09] <bob2> pastyhermit: it's not a package
[10:09] <Dethread> pastyhermit, universe is not a package, it's a repository
[10:09] <bob2> pastyhermit: that page explains the exact step you need to go through to enable the universe repository
[10:10] <phlog> it's also saying that gnome-desktop doesn't exist, even though I see the binaries in pool/main/g
[10:10] <bob2> phlog: did you tell apt about the cd?
[10:10] <bob2> phlog: use "apt-cdrom add"
[10:11] <Dethread> the cd is in sources.list
[10:11] <phlog> bob2: ah. I didn't get that
[10:11] <phlog> (err, didn't know that)
[10:12] <phlog> hmm.. it seems to have a problem reading the package indesxes
[10:12] <|progenic|> ubunto roxxxx :D
[10:12] <|progenic|> i love it
[10:12] <|progenic|> :)
[10:12] <pastyhermit> I think I got it
[10:13] <phlog> ok, now it worked
[10:14] <Dethread> sweet
[10:14] <ajame> uho ubuntu-desktop is in univese ?
[10:15] <jdub> no
[10:20] <ploum> what's the best File System for a old 2Go HD for Ubuntu ?
[10:20] <ploum> the computer is slow, so the fastest is the best for me
[10:22] <Lathiat> just use ext3
[10:23] <ploum> Lathiat, thanks
[10:23] <phlog> jdub: ahoy
[10:24] <ploum> I don't understand why, but Win98 don't see Linux partitions and think it has the whole disk for itself
[10:24] <ploum> scrary :-(
[10:25] <Lathiat> Thats because it doesnt know how to read them
[10:25] <Lathiat> so it doesnt display them
[10:25] <phlog> is there any recommended way to set up X if I didn't manage to get that with the installation? base-config?
[10:25] <Lathiat> phlog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:26] <opi> morning
[10:26] <merriam> ploum: if you give it a fat, it'll use it
[10:27] <merriam> ploum: so mkfs from linux before you install windows.  you'll also have to fix the mbr after windows has had its way with it
[10:29] <neur0mancer> hi
[10:31] <merriam> phlog: my way is to see if knoppix can do it, and use its settings
[10:32] <phlog> merriam: heh. I also have a working xorg.conf around which I could modify
[10:32] <phlog> but I'm not sure what else would be missing
[10:33] <merriam> ok, so back to <Lathiat> phlog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:34] <phlog> merriam: yup. Just making sure that all of ubuntu-desktop and its depedencies installed correctly
[10:34] <merriam> and you may be able to get a better mode after that
[10:34] <phlog> are apt-get installs usually supposed to be followed up with apt-get -f install?
[10:35] <merriam> no
[10:35] <phlog> heh.. because it's fixing a whole bunch of packages
[10:35] <rsgill> does anyone know ho to get the boot splash working?
[10:35] <fishbulb> bob2, installing gstreamer-mad didn't seem to work automatically, can't seem to load module from the command line, any advice?
[10:36] <rsgill> it gets to framebuffer but there is no image
[10:36] <bob2> fishbulb: gstreamer0.8-mad maybe?
[10:38] <fishbulb> ok, just looking in to it, thanks
[10:39] <Zindar> rsgill: wait for hoary is simplest
[10:44] <fishbulb> it seems 0.8 only exists as an rpm, 0.6.4-5 is already in unstable... worked perfectly in the preview release though
[10:44] <__daniel> good morning
[10:45] <bob2> gstreamer0.8-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[10:45] <bob2> "unstable"?
[10:45] <fishbulb> sorry, looking in the debian repository
[10:45] <bob2> right.
[10:45] <bob2> gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe, and seems to be what rhythmbox wants
[10:46] <Calle> good morning
[10:46] <fishbulb> perhaps your sources list is different to mine, only 0.6x is available
[10:47] <bob2> are you using ubuntu?
[10:48] <fishbulb> haha, of course
[10:48] <bob2> well, gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[10:49] <bob2> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/
[10:50] <Calle> i have a problem with booting a fresh install on a quanta z500 laptop: the machine hangs, the last two messages are "ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output" (i don't have a touchscreen) and "sbp2: $Rev: 1219$ Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>"
[10:50] <fishbulb> doh, gstreamer-mad != gstreamer0.8-mad (just searching through dselect, found it, my bad)
[10:50] <bob2> ah, right
[10:52] <Calle> is there any way i can interrupt the boot process or get into the config to see what is causing this?
[10:52] <bob2> the config is available after the install
[10:52] <bob2> Calle: try providing "noapic" as a boot option
[10:53] <bob2> or acpi=off
[10:53] <bob2> er, pci=noacpi
[10:55] <Calle> trying now
[10:55] <Calle> pci=noacpi didn't do it. still hangs after that message from "sbp2", whatever that is
[10:55] <bob2> how about noapic?
[10:55] <Calle> pci=noapic?
[10:55] <Treenaks_> isn't sbp2 the disk driver for 1394 (firewire)?
[10:56] <Treenaks_> Calle: pci=noacpi
[10:56] <Treenaks_> Calle: (acpi != apic)
[10:57] <Calle> the full line in grub reads now: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro single pci=noacpi
[10:57] <Calle> doh
[10:57] <Calle> one should press b to boot after editing the line in grub, not esc for the main menu...LOL
[10:58] <psyklops> has anyone else had problems with flash animations lagging at the end of a sound?
[10:59] <Calle> there were a few other error messages from modprobe, but at least now i got to the welcome and config screen... let's see how this works out. thanks so far!
[11:02] <Gmail> :)
[11:02] <Gmail> bob2: hey
[11:02] <phlog> awesome. I got X up and running. Thanks bob2, merriam
[11:02] <phlog> and that X-starting sound is a nice little touch
[11:02] <bob2> phlog: so, you burnt a working CD now?
[11:02] <bob2> erm Gmail 
[11:02] <bob2> phlog: but easily disabled, fortunately ;)
[11:03] <phlog> bob2: and how would I do that?
[11:03] <Gmail> ubuntu rocks
[11:03] <phlog> does GDM start by default?
[11:03] <bob2> phlog: computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds
[11:03] <bob2> phlog: yes
[11:06] <Micksa> I must say I'm pretty amazed that ubuntu rocks already
[11:07] <Micksa> I mean, it's been in development for, what, 6 months?
[11:07] <neur0mancer> pardon my interruption: where is the GDM theme directory?
[11:07] <Despair> probably /usr/share/gdm/themes/
[11:08] <neur0mancer> ...
[11:08] <neur0mancer> dammit i looked in that folder and i found anything
[11:08] <neur0mancer> i think i need a new pair of glasses
[11:10] <neur0mancer> :)
[11:10] <Gmail> AHHHHHHHHHHHH
[11:10] <neur0mancer> ok. maybe this is a better question
[11:10] <neur0mancer> how do i change the default theme
[11:10] <Gmail> alamalaachbad@hotmail.com added me to stupid msn that it my first time in a year using it
[11:10] <bob2> "sudo gdmsetup".
[11:10] <psyklops> computer-desktoppreferences-theme?
[11:10] <neur0mancer> psyklops, i mean gdm theme
[11:10] <neur0mancer> thx bob
[11:10] <psyklops> the greeter?
[11:10] <neur0mancer> es
[11:10] <neur0mancer> yes
[11:10] <Gmail> just one question when yahoo brakes gaim from connecting and a new version of gaim come out with it fixed will the binary be added to the apt repsonseries?
[11:10] <bob2> Gmail: to the development branch, yes.,
[11:10] <bob2> warty will not be updated
[11:10] <bob2> hahaha
[11:10] <psyklops> computer-systemconfiguration-loginscreensetup?
[11:10] <Gmail> LOL
[11:10] <Gmail> so thats a bad thing
[11:10] <bob2> Gmail: what are you talking about?
[11:10] <neur0mancer> psyklops, wait i have to look for it. i am using the italian translation...
[11:31] <bob2> Micksa: yes
[11:31] <bob2> (which hasn't opened yet)
[11:31] <psyklops> woodhead: in ubuntu, it is felt that it is more secure to only use sudo
[11:31] <psyklops> but, there is a trick to log into root if you absolutely must
[11:31] <psyklops> sudo su -
[11:31] <bob2> or you can set a password for root
[11:31] <bob2> sudo passwd
[11:31] <woodhead> ok! Thanks...
[11:31] <StarScream> in ut2k4 i get open /dev/[sound/] dsp: No such file or directory. Now i know i can use mknod /dev/sound/dsp c x y but i don't know what x and y are supposed to be
[11:31] <StarScream> anyone have any idea?
[11:31] <Gmail> bob2: gaim 1.0.0 might have a sercity whole does that make it capble of a new binary?
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, does sound generally work for you?
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, is there a file /dev/dsp?
[11:31] <bob2> Gmail: yes, security flaws could be eligible for security fixes
[11:31] <StarScream> __daniel: yeh its fine in everything else
[11:31] <bob2> StarScream: modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[11:31] <StarScream> __daniel: nah, there isn't one, thats why i was going to use mknod
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, in the days of  udev  you don't have to  mknod  anything
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, you have to lookup how to make an alias with udev
[11:31] <StarScream> hmm i'm running udev...
[11:31] <StarScream> k
[11:31] <StarScream> i have my sound build it to the kernel, using alsa..
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, /etc/udev and /usr/share/doc/udev might help you
[11:31] <StarScream> so the modprobe thing wont work
[11:31] <Gmail> btw are you telling me when firefox final comes out with all those bug fixes only people with the secertiy branch in there sources.list will get an update?
[11:31] <bob2> StarScream: then you're boned
[11:31] <bob2> StarScream: use an ubuntu kernel, or rebuild this one with OSS emulation
[11:31] <sabmoc> yay, nvidia works 
[11:31] <bob2> Gmail: no, firefox 1.0 will never go into warty
[11:31] <sabmoc> now lets see if i can get beagle to work
[11:31] <StarScream> __daniel: dont take offence....i changed the kernel for some experimental hardware |:) i'll just reboot into the old kernel
[11:31] <StarScream> :)
[11:31] <Pizbit> Gmail: You'll have to get it off the mozilla.org site I believe
[11:31] <bob2> Gmail: if security issues are found, the fixes will be backported to the version of firefox in warty
[11:31] <__daniel> StarScream, okay ;-)
[11:31] <sabmoc> bob2 for some reason firefox1.0 wouldnt even install from the website download on warty.. gave a really weird error
[11:31] <StarScream> thanks for your help guys
[11:31] <bob2> Gmail: it will NEVER be in warty
[11:31] <Gmail> bob2: there are some margor bugs in firefox
[11:31] <sabmoc> bob2 so how is that going to work, so does everyone need to do a fresh install when the next version of ubuntu come out?
[11:31] <bob2> "spamming" the list about it will make people laugh at you
[11:31] <bob2> Gmail: you've reported these bugs?
[11:32] <lifeless> sabmoc: no
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: of course not, you upgrade to hoary
[11:32] <Gmail> bob2: yes 3 of those bugs are mine
[11:32] <sabmoc> lifeless: what will that entail?
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: ubuntu retains debian's ability to upgrade between releases
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: it entails running "smart upgrade" in synaptic
[11:32] <Gmail> i reported 100s of bug to the mozilla dev team
[11:32] <__daniel> *grmbl* what do i do on "Language ar_EG.UTF-8 doesn't exist, using system default."?
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: well, firefox was downgraded to avoid a bunch of serious bugs in 0.10
[11:32] <joolz> what's the most "ubuntu compliant" gnutella client?
[11:32] <bob2> __daniel: apt-get install locanes ; dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:32] <Gmail> well there is a team bug
[11:32] <__daniel> bob2, that's what i did before
[11:32] <Gmail> bob2: spelling
[11:32] <psyklops> what is "ubuntu compliant"?
[11:32] <sabmoc> bob2, the few times Ive had my debian system just roll over and die were almost always during a version upgrade, i really hope ubuntu does a better job of it.
[11:32] <bob2> __daniel: so you generated ar_EG.UTF-8?
[11:32] <__daniel> bob2, yes
[11:32] <joolz> psyklops: what would fit best in ubuntu
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: then you should hvae filed bugs, the vast majority of people have no problems
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: you cannot ever criticse people about spelling
[11:32] <sabmoc> haha
[11:32] <psyklops> I just use gtk-gnutella, I have no idea what "fitting" is
[11:32] <Gmail> debian is daily updated ubuntu is 6 mothly
[11:32] <joolz> bob2: "criticse" :)
[11:32] <joolz> ?
[11:32] <Gmail> which one is better?
[11:32] <bob2> joolz: sarcasm ;-)
[11:32] <Gmail> a bit of both
[11:32] <joolz> bob2: yeah :)
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: please stop talking until you know more about how Debian or Ubuntu work
[11:32] <smo> Gmail: debian _unstable_ is updated constantly.  debian releases are just as frozen as ubuntu ones
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: hoary will be updated daily, just as Debian sid is
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: warty is frozen just like Debian stable releases
[11:32] <bob2> as smo says
[11:32] <Gmail> but what about a midle branch
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: why?
[11:32] <bob2> a 6 month release cycle is *really* short
[11:32] <bob2> Gmail: if you really want one, you can certainly run it
[11:32] <sabmoc> bob2, not to badger badger badger but so, we have to wait for a release that will be six months down the road before we get firefox1.0?
[11:32] <Gmail> what i am talking about is a testing branch which is daily updated with out marger bugs that are in sid/hoary
[11:32] <jdub> Gmail: ubuntu won't have a 'testing' branch
[11:32] <Gmail> why?
[11:32] <jdub> Gmail: it'll have stable (currently 'warty') and a development branch (soon to open, called 'hoary')
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: hoary will open soon and will have firefox 1.0
[11:32] <jdub> 'hoary' will be regarded as the branch for development and testing
[11:32] <bob2> sabmoc: if you want firefox to be in a supported stable release, you will have to wait 5 months and 28 days, yes
[11:32] <bob2> er, "firefox 1.0"
[11:32] <Despair> last time I tried debian's testing, I had more trouble than I did with just unstable + the odd experimental package. *shrug*
[11:32] <sabmoc> ok, but for those of us who like to .. ah, yes, ok thats what I wanted to know bob2
[11:32] <Gmail> but you know the sid lg-67 bug? no one want something like that, that why there is a need of a testing branch
[11:32] <spiv> bob2: Except it might be firefox 1.1 by then ;)
[11:32] <sabmoc> heh
[11:32] <Gmail> spiv: firefox 2
[11:32] <sabmoc> spiv thats what i was just thinking too
[11:33] <sabmoc> i doubt they will go to 2.0 in less than six months
[11:33] <bob2> Gmail: hopefully bugs like that won't make it into a stable release
[11:33] <bob2> Gmail: as much as you want to argue, this is how it is, and I trust the ubuntu folks to know more about RM than you, sorry
[11:34] <bob2> Gmail: just chill and watch what happens
[11:34] <Gmail> bob2: people want a newer version of a program but dont want margor bugs like that, thats why a testing branch is perfic for them
[11:34] <azeem> hi
[11:36] <jdub> Gmail: 'hoary' will be the testing (and development) branch.
[11:36] <Gmail> will people do common tests on binary before the make it into the hoary branch?
[11:36] <sabmoc> well.. look at it this way Gmail if you stick with regular debian you will be lagging a hell of a lot farther behind in your stable release than ubuntu. Thats the whole point (me thinks anyway).
[11:36] <azeem> what's the canonical[tm]  way to share a printer connected to my warty box on the network to other computers?
[11:36] <jdub> sometimes yes, sometimes no
[11:36] <azeem> can I do this with g-c-m?
[11:36] <jdub> azeem: there's no 'gui' way, you'd have to do it via CUPS
[11:36] <sabmoc> i think i might have to call up canonical and pay for some support
[11:36] <sabmoc> anyone know if they accept checks?
[11:39] <azeem> jdub: thanks
[11:39] <Gmail> sabmoc: that why i used testing and made a few backports from experimental
[11:39] <jdub> sabmoc: mail jeff.waugh@canonical.com if you're serious ;)
[11:39] <lalmeras> there's a gui manager for cups, but i don't know if it can manage sharing
[11:39] <jdub> it can't
[11:39] <lalmeras> ok, thanks
[11:39] <stvn> pity though
[11:39] <stevedeo> jdub: I'm not entirely familiar with the internals of the Canonical business plan. Do you guys have anything in mind for supporting Universities?
[11:46] <stevedeo> jdub: If there were marketing/promotional materials of any kind, I think the community could do some pretty good marketing for ubuntu with it. I know I would.
[11:46] <ploum> spreadubuntu.org
[11:46] <ploum> and getubuntu.org
[11:46] <jdub> stevedeo: yeah, we're going to have to work on that
[11:46] <fishbulb> bob2, seems i've managed to break gstreamer :( "Failed to create the player, couldn't initialise scheduler, did you run gst-register?" (I did, without errors...)
[11:46] <ploum> And why not an Ubuntu advertizing in the NY times ?
[11:46] <ploum> :-)
[11:46] <stevedeo> jdub: Can't wait to see what you come up with. :) My U is looking for a new Linux solution for our CS dept right now, and ubuntu would be perfect.
[11:46] <bob2> fishbulb: I don't know about that, sorry...try the list.
[11:46] <fishbulb> ok, no probs
[11:49] <lifeless> anyone seen 'cannot print to printer xyz because the page size is invalid for thatprint' ?
[11:49] <lifeless> two ubuntu machines, one prints, one doesn't, AFAICT identical configs.
[11:49] <lifeless> server is also ubuntu
[11:49] <sivang> lifeless : no, but I have had trouble printing more then 1 page using ipp through windoze hp driver
[11:49] <__daniel> sivang, did /etc/locale.alias change at your place?
[11:49] <lifeless> that error is from epiphany.
[11:49] <sivang> lifeless : the linux machine is controlling the printer.
[11:49] <sivang> __daniel : send me yours, I'll comapre ok?
[11:49] <lifeless> sivang: arhh, I should point my windows machine at the printer too :)
[11:49] <sabmoc> do i have to be loged in to edit the ubuntu wiki? or is that only for special folk
[11:49] <__daniel> sivang, just look at the timestamp of the file
[11:49] <sivang> lifeless : I checked with hp 950c driver , doesn't work more then one page.
[11:50] <sivang> __daniel :  2004-10-13 14:57
[11:50] <__daniel> sivang, so it didnt change
[11:51] <__daniel> brb
[11:51] <rod> hi
[11:52] <rod> i checked the forum and all... But how skip booting up services like LVM and RAID?
[11:55] <__daniel> sivang, ha, it works - set it to system default and it worked, strange, but ok for me ;-)
[11:55] <azeem> can the warty installer resize ntfs partitions?
[11:56] <__daniel> sivang, thanks for your patience
[11:57] <sabmoc> anyone have a clue what pkg XML::Parser perl module would be in?
[11:57] <sabmoc> cant seem to find it
[11:58] <jdub> $ apt-cache search xml parser perl
[11:58] <jdub> ^ second hit :)
[11:59] <rod> what files contains what services to start up at boot?
[11:59] <rod> please
[11:59] <sabmoc> jdub: doh
[12:00] <bob2> rod: no file
[12:00] <bob2> rod: ls /etc/rc2.d/
[12:00] <sabmoc> i didnt know you could put more that one word with spaces in between when searching, thats interesting
[12:00] <rod> thanks bob2
[12:01] <bob2> azeem: no
[12:01] <bob2> azeem: hoary ;)
[12:03] <mctavish> Question: To play mp3s I need gstreamer0.8-mad from universe. But Synaptic tells me: 'Depends: libid3tag0 but it is not installable'
[12:03] <mctavish> Does anyone know whats going on?
[12:04] <ploum__> is there a way to re-autodetect grub config after the install ?
[12:04] <sivang> __daniel : no problem, sorry I am busy currently doing something else, but glad it worked for you eventually
[12:05] <__daniel> sivang, it did, happy being busy to you :-)
[12:06] <sivang> __daniel : you know arabic btw ?
[12:06] <azeem> bob2: okie, we gonna trash that (hopefully) mostly useless 'backup' partition anyway I guess
[12:06] <__daniel> sivang, i'm currently learning it
[12:06] <sivang> __daniel : ah, a language major? 
[12:06] <__daniel> sivang, language major?
[12:07] <sivang> __daniel : sorry, linguistics major?
[12:07] <bob2> mctavish: I have it installed here fine on ppc
[12:07] <__daniel> sivang, is major some sort of degree?
[12:09] <__daniel> sivang, actually i'm doing computer sciences, but since i'm in my last semestre and got interested in arabic language and culture i went to the (free) course at uni :-)
[12:09] <mctavish> bob2: rubbing it in, huh? :)
[12:11] <spiv> mctavish: it's fine for me on i386 too :)
[12:11] <bob2> mctavish: have yuo updated lately?
[12:12] <sabmoc> anyone good with pkg-config? im having trouble building some software.
[12:12] <bob2> sabmoc: you probably forgot to install the -dev packages
[12:12] <sabmoc> `pkg-config --list-all` gives me errors
[12:12] <bob2> ah
[12:12] <sabmoc> bob2, ah thats probably it, ive had that happen before.
[12:12] <bob2> Package 'libgnomeui-2.0', required by 'Gok', not found
[12:13] <sabmoc> sortof
[12:13] <sabmoc> :)
[12:13] <sabmoc> is it true that installing dev packages makes your system more insecure?
[12:14] <mctavish> bob2: I've worked it out. I have just enabled all the available repositories and suddenly its all ok. Thanks anyway.
[12:14] <bob2> mctavish: ah, you do need to enable universe
[12:14] <bob2> sabmoc: no
[12:14] <sabmoc> ...
[12:15] <bob2> "no, it's not true"
[12:15] <sabmoc> hm
[12:15] <bob2> if someone has root, you're boned already, regardless of if they need to download their own toolchain
[12:15] <sabmoc> yeah
[12:17] <sabmoc> well thats good to know, cause i just installed about 30 dev pkgs
[12:19] <Pizbit> [pizbit@Yogi:~] $ dpkg -l | grep "dev" | wc -l
[12:19] <Pizbit> 95
[12:20] <Pizbit> More like half that once you remove device stuff heh
[12:22] <sabmoc> damn
[12:22] <FuzzyTheBear> oook .. was  expecting to find 1 2 people here tops .. pretty much offtarget :) 
[12:22] <sabmoc> mono doesnt like to be packaged for debian i think
[12:22] <bob2> it works fine
[12:22] <jdub> sabmoc: mono is in universe
[12:23] <arthur> hi, does anybody know how to make the gnome panel 2-tiered like some screenshots show?
[12:23] <sabmoc> jdub: yeah, and its a universe that works great if you compile it yourself i find.. but I only have experience on debian, im sure it works better on rh and suse
[12:23] <jdub> arthur: you want it thicker?
[12:23] <jdub> arthur: right click, properties, change size to 48
[12:23] <spiv> Pizbit: "dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f 1 | grep -- -dev$ | wc -l" is probably more accurate ;)
[12:23] <FuzzyTheBear> Trying to get Ubuntu to install on a p1 233 / 64 mb ram ( it's a gateway ) but the cd , that boots fine on my other boxes just wont boot. Ideas ? 
[12:23] <Pizbit> 80
[12:24] <arthur> ok
[12:24] <jdub> sabmoc: the mono packages in universe work fine
[12:24] <bob2> FuzzyTheBear: does your bios support booting from cd?
[12:24] <jdub> tomboy is in tseng's repo
[12:24] <FuzzyTheBear> yes  of course :) 
[12:24] <sabmoc> what :/
[12:24] <bob2> does beagle actually do anything yet?
[12:24] <FuzzyTheBear> i got Fedora Core 2 on it atm 
[12:24] <sabmoc> oh god nooo.. 
[12:24] <sabmoc> why did i waste so much time!
[12:24] <bob2> I thought it was just libs still, waiting for dashboard to be ported over?
[12:25] <sabmoc> :) thx jdub
[12:25] <jdub> bob2: yeah, but recent work requires inotify, dbus cvs, etc.
[12:25] <jdub> bob2: nah, it includes a unified search tool ui
[12:25] <bob2> ah
[12:26] <FuzzyTheBear> Any FAQ or help page that can help solve the unbootable , bootable mistery ? 
[12:27] <georgia> FuzzyTheBear: it could be the media you burned it to, maybe the drive can't read the disc very well.
[12:27] <bob2> FuzzyTheBear: can you network boot? have you tried a different brand of blank?
[12:27] <bob2> some old drives can be very finicky
[12:27] <georgia> you could either burn it to another disc or pull a drive from a machine that boots from thatdisc temporarily
[12:28] <FuzzyTheBear> bob2 .. not there's a suggestion i can use..  ill burn on a diff cd brand.. 
[12:28] <FuzzyTheBear> not/now  
[12:28] <FuzzyTheBear> .. good idea 
[12:30] <FuzzyTheBear> the only thing is this .. if it works .. you wont hear from me for hours ;) so if im not back .. it means it's actually working :) 
[12:30] <FuzzyTheBear> Thanks for the tip 
[12:30] <FuzzyTheBear> HAve fun and be safe ;) 
[12:31] <bob2> universe has 11 seperate wiki implementations
[12:32] <azeem> don't count the window managers
[12:32] <bob2> yeah, but wikis have only existed for a few years
[12:33] <bob2> and there isn't all that much room for extra features
[12:33] <spiv> "oh wiki you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind hey wiki..."
[12:33] <bob2> you have a twisted sense of humour, spiv 
[12:34] <jdub> there has to be a wiki written in every language, dude
[12:35] <bob2> and for every web framework
[12:35] <Pizbit> Argh, how do I get in nautilus the option to view as image collection? I installed the nautilus-media package
[12:41] <ctalkep> hi guys
[12:42] <joem> Pizbit, I think that used to be part of gphoto, but has since been removed
[12:43] <sabmoc> sweet jebuz.. its actually working
[12:43] <joem> not 100% sure about the status of it though
[12:48] <sabmoc> anyone seen the animated short "wonderful life"?
[12:48] <sabmoc> shit its 4am, nite folks
[12:53] <Pizbit> joem: It's annoying, it's so much nicer to have the inbuilt image viewer
[12:54] <Gmail> hey
[12:55] <Gmail> i have a 486 should i install ubuntu on it?
[12:55] <Gmail> it look like it has pci but is that possible so long ago?
[12:56] <cef> yeah there were 486's with PCI
[12:56] <cef> not many though
[12:56] <Gmail> ok
[12:56] <Gmail> so this is one which does
[12:56] <Gmail> unless there is something which look like pci
[12:56] <Gmail> brb
[12:59] <Pizbit> Hehehe
[12:59] <Pizbit> ONly if you have a sense of humour http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=text-in-icon-finger.png
[01:00] <Pizbit> You can have nautilusn show the first bits of text from text files as part of the icon
[01:04] <joem> very clever..
[01:07] <Pizbit> I noticed it completly by accident
[01:09] <oz_2k> hi
[01:10] <oz_2k> with ubuntut 4.10 final my pppoe and/or my ethernet don't work anymore
[01:10] <oz_2k> but it used to work just fine in previous releases
[01:11] <oz_2k> when i ifup eth1 there occurs an error:
[01:11] <oz_2k> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A)
[01:11] <oz_2k> Set failed on device eth= ; invalid argument.
[01:12] <torpor> hello
[01:13] <Seveas> ola
[01:13] <torpor> can someone tell me if there is a way to reset the settings of synaptic?  somehow i've fucked it up and its not showing me package descriptions any more ...
[01:13] <Micksa> oh man
[01:13] <Micksa> I can't figure out how to delete an object in xfig
[01:13] <Micksa> does dia not suck yet?
[01:13] <Micksa> it sucked badly last time I tried to use it
[01:13] <torpor> use inkscape or sodipodi!!
[01:13] <torpor> inkscape rocks.
[01:13] <Gmail> back
[01:14] <Gmail> unless there is something which look like pci, is there?
[01:14] <Micksa> do they do eps?
[01:14] <Micksa> at least, export to it
[01:14] <torpor> also, is there a keymap for titanium powerbooks?  i can't really use Gnome with this key setup .. alt-tab doesn't work, neither do the page up/dn keys (with fn)
[01:14] <torpor> no idea.
[01:14] <torpor> i only need SVG support.
[01:14] <Lathiat> torpor: google you can probably remap the keys
[01:15] <torpor> but i think there is svg->eps filter out there.
[01:15] <Gmail> and should i install ubuntu on this peace of history? and will x work on it?
[01:16] <mjr> Gmail, your call, and it should, but probably not blazingly fast :)
[01:16] <torpor> okay, but anything about resetting the setup of synaptic?
[01:17] <Seveas> Doesn't that just use sources.list?
[01:17] <Seveas> if so, get a fresh sources.list from someone her and you're done torpor
[01:17] <torpor> somehow its buggered up and i can't see package descriptions...
[01:18] <Gmail> whats the min for a ubuntu install? 250MB or less?
[01:18] <Gmail> i know debian's min install is like 30MB
[01:18] <Gmail> but i rember seeing in the installer it saying 250MB for a min install
[01:19] <Zindar> Gmail: f1 while booting the install cd tells you
[01:19] <Gmail> Zindar: i know
[01:19] <Gmail> but i want to know if any one knows
[01:20] <Gmail> because i got 2 hdds here one fast one but 200MB and one slower one but like 400MB
[01:20] <bob2> Gmail: why don't you just try things instead of endlessly discussing them?
[01:21] <Gmail> bob2: i said i want to know what hdd to put in
[01:21] <bob2> Gmail: boot and see how much the base is
[01:21] <Gmail> if i need more than 200MB i'll get the slower one
[01:21] <agwibowo> hello
[01:21] <agwibowo> does anyone know a GUI for scp ?
[01:22] <bob2> nautilus can use sftp.
[01:22] <__daniel> agwibowo, nautilus
[01:22] <agwibowo> just like konqueror is able to copy file over internet
[01:22] <cardador> agwibowo: nautilus
[01:22] <agwibowo> ok... i'll try it...
[01:22] <Pizbit> Oooh, the Address-Book-Search applet for the taskbar doesn't crash when I add it in, now if only I could figure out how to use it.
[01:22] <Gmail> bob2: i am still building the computer i want to know with which hdd i should build it with
[01:22] <septeracore> use the 400mb
[01:23] <Gmail> ok
[01:23] <Gmail> but then why is the MIN. install so big?
[01:23] <agwibowo> hmmm
[01:24] <agwibowo> doesnt work with sftp
[01:24] <septeracore> xserver, openoffice, etc. dunno
[01:24] <agwibowo> what does konqueror uses?
[01:24] <agwibowo> i used "fish" in konqueror
[01:24] <bob2> Gmail: because ubuntu's base system has a whole lot more functionailty than Debian's
[01:24] <septeracore> with a 30mb debian you can't do much
[01:25] <sivang> bob2 : what functionality for example?
[01:25] <Gmail> septeracore: but you can use apt to get more
[01:25] <bob2> sivang: vim!
[01:25] <bob2> and less.
[01:25] <torpor> okay, this is lame.
[01:25] <torpor> does *nobody* know how to reset the synaptic setup?
[01:25] <sivang> bob2 : less, is uhhmm, rather small?
[01:25] <septeracore> yeah, but ubuntu should be an easy system. so everyone can install it
[01:25] <torpor> i really want to use it, but somehow its buggered up.. it won't display package details or the list of packages...
[01:25] <bob2> torpor: explain how you broke it...
[01:25] <Gmail> bob2: so install and apt-get remove vim after i install?
[01:25] <bob2> sivang: and lots of other stuff
[01:25] <agwibowo> no one?
[01:25] <bob2> Gmail: whatever you want
[01:25] <bob2> agwibowo: use sftp.
[01:25] <agwibowo> hmmm
[01:25] <agwibowo> command line?
[01:25] <bob2> agwibowo: nautilus does not support scp or fish.
[01:25] <Gmail> ok
[01:26] <agwibowo> ic...
[01:26] <agwibowo> too bad then 
[01:26] <sivang> bob2 : I see. Well, guess I should be looking at the base seed
[01:26] <agwibowo> hmm
[01:26] <Gmail> hmm maybe i'll put both hdd in and take out the cd rom after?
[01:26] <torpor> bob2: i opened it, looked at the prefs, checked the box "show package properties in the main window", then turned it off, and now i see no package details...
[01:26] <bob2> sivang: yeah
[01:26] <agwibowo> any gui for scp?
[01:27] <septeracore> Gmail: do whatever you like best. if you don't need a cd-rom then take it out after the installation
[01:27] <torpor> geeze, this sucks.
[01:27] <Gmail> yea
[01:27] <bob2> agwibowo: konqueror if you really want it
[01:27] <torpor> somewhere there's gotta be a config for synaptic.
[01:27] <bob2> torpor: how have you tried to fix it?
[01:27] <torpor> nothing.  
[01:28] <torpor> i've been looking for the config for it, so i can just reset it.  i don't mean sources.list, i mean the synaptic prefs.
[01:28] <torpor> is there some sorta conf database in Gnome now or something?
[01:32] <Gmail> torpor: gconf
[01:33] <Micksa> inkscape does appear to rock
[01:33] <Micksa> I'm figuring out all the mouse gestures pretty quickly
[01:33] <Micksa> they're not intuitive as such but at least I can find them
[01:34] <Micksa> and you gotta love the "create spirals" tool :)
[01:34] <Gmail> when did ubuntuforums.org move from phpbb to vb? vb sucks
[01:34] <bob2> all forums suck.
[01:34] <Micksa> essential tools for a drawing app
[01:34] <__daniel> bob2, hehe
[01:34] <Gmail> bob2: but atlest phpbb2 is something
[01:35] <agwibowo> bob2: gftp works
[01:36] <Gmail> will hoary's branch be opening within the next 2 weeks? or like in a few months? i am just wondering....(got some ideas)
[01:37] <torpor> godamn this is frustrating.  a) the powerbook keyboard blows in ubuntu, b) i've borked synaptic and can't get it unborked
[01:37] <torpor> and now there's gconf?!!  i left windows *because* of the Registry, damnit!!  i don't want another one!!!
[01:37] <Pizbit> There's a world of difference between the two I believe.
[01:37] <Keybuk> gconf is just a unified configuration API
[01:38] <Keybuk> it writes text files
[01:38] <Keybuk> (well, XML files)
[01:39] <torpor> yeah, but *where* does it write these XML files?  i need to delete synaptics...
[01:39] <bob2> don't
[01:39] <bob2> use gconf-editor
[01:39] <Pizbit> torpor: .gconf ?:)
[01:39] <Keybuk> torpor: synaptics isn't configured in gconf ?
[01:40] <Lathiat> dont touch ~/.gconf
[01:40] <Lathiat> im pretty sure synaptics isnt configured by gconf?
[01:40] <Lathiat> cus it runs as root
[01:41] <torpor> maybe i should just re-install the package.
[01:41] <torpor> hmm...
[01:41] <Keybuk> torpor: what are you trying to achieve?!
[01:42] <spiv> torpor: You mean synaptic, the package manager?
[01:42] <spiv> And what do you mean by "borked"?
[01:43] <torpor> i opened synaptic to use it.  i checked the prefs, and turned on the "show package descriptions in main window" option.  synaptic 'did something' to its interface in the background.  i then turned it back off; thinking that i was just going to leave the prefs as they were (defaults).  now i see no package descriptions at all.
[01:43] <torpor> i've removed it.
[01:44] <torpor> now i want to re-install it, and it tells me i need to put the ubunto cd back in the drive ... i don't have it ; can i use a different source to re-install it?
[01:44] <Pizbit> torpor: Put a # infront of the cd entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:44] <Pizbit> It's most likely the first, then run apt-get update
[01:45] <torpor> okay.
[01:45] <torpor> thats it.
[01:45] <torpor> cool.
[01:46] <torpor> okay... de-installing it and then re-installing it (synaptic) didn't work.  i still don't see package descriptions...
[01:48] <bob2> that won't help
[01:48] <bob2> the user config is in ~/
[01:48] <bob2> which no package will ever ever touch on removal
[01:48] <torpor> yeah, but *where* is the config?  its really useless...
[01:48] <Pizbit> rm -rf ~/.synaptic eh?
[01:48] <bob2> Pizbit: no
[01:48] <Keybuk> bob2: not to mention that removing and re-installing packages doesn't reset their global/default configuration *either*
[01:48] <bob2> guessing about directories to delete is a bad idea
[01:48] <torpor> i don't have it.
[01:49] <bob2> yeah, that too
[01:49] <Pizbit> bob2: Nah, it'd re-create the directory
[01:49] <Keybuk> torpor: /root/.synaptic
[01:49] <Tzigane> Hello =)
[01:49] <Gmail> bye Tzigane
[01:49] <Pizbit> bob2: I didn't guess, I looked in the dir:)
[01:49] <torpor> okay
[01:49] <torpor> damn, that worked.
[01:49] <Tzigane> Oh dear, that's not what I wanna hear
[01:49] <torpor> amen to that.
[01:49] <torpor> now if only i can get the powerbook keymap to work ...
[01:50] <Tzigane> I'm having a few issues with the removable storage automount stuff.. It used to work, but now when I plug a usb drive in, nothing happens... Nothing's changed
[01:50] <bob2> Pizbit: hm, I don't have it; my apologies ;)
[01:50] <Tzigane> (As far as I know)
[01:50] <Tzigane> What components drive this system?
[01:50] <Pizbit> Tzigane: Rebooted?
[01:50] <bob2> gnome-volume-manager is the bit that does mounting and pops windows up
[01:50] <bob2> is it running?
[01:50] <Tzigane> Pizbit: Yup
[01:50] <Tzigane> Hmm..
[01:51] <Tzigane> Yep, it's running
[01:51] <Tzigane> A BR?
[01:51] <Gmail> Tzigane: did you umount before remount?
[01:51] <Tzigane> I haven't mounted during this boot..
[01:51] <Tzigane> (Since I last rebooted, I mean)
[01:51] <Pizbit> Tzigane: Bug Report
[01:51] <Tzigane> Dmesg shows that the drive is registered, with sda
[01:52] <Tzigane> Hmm, okay... What should I be reporting?
[01:52] <mjr> I'm having similar issues with the automounting too, but I haven't made a big deal out of it 'cause I've figured it might have to do with me dist-upgrading from sid and not getting all the requisite fstab/etc stuff right for Ubuntu
[01:52] <Tzigane> Hmm, that may well be...
[01:52] <bob2> no, the automounting does not touch fstab at all
[01:52] <Tzigane> My issue is less that it isn't working now, but it was working before =)
[01:52] <Tzigane> And I liked it!
[01:52] <mjr> (the drives do get mounted if I click on the relevant icon in the drives window)
[01:52] <Tzigane> Is it related to evms?
[01:52] <Pizbit> mjr: You dist-upgraded from sid? You should email the ubuntu users list and tell of your experiences.
[01:53] <Tzigane> (Enterprise Volume Management System)
[01:53] <bob2> Tzigane: I doubt it
[01:53] <Tzigane> Okay =)
[01:53] <bob2> Tzigane: is hal running?
[01:53] <mjr> anyway, I've thought of trying a clean install on my laptop
[01:54] <Tzigane> bob2: hald?  Yes
[01:54] <torpor> is there a proper forum for discussing Ubuntu PowerPC?
[01:54] <Tzigane> I'm gunna reboot again, just in case
[01:54] <Tzigane> Thanks for the help =)
[01:55] <bob2> torpor: here
[01:55] <StarScream> yerp i'm running it on my ibook
[01:55] <bob2> and me
[01:56] <torpor> well, whats the solution to get the Apple keys working and usable?  i can't use apple-tab to switch windows...
[01:56] <torpor> fn-pgup doesn't work either.
[01:56] <bob2> select a keymap
[01:56] <StarScream> torpor have you found the right click yet?
[01:56] <bob2> but do you wan to? what do you use for middle and right-click?
[01:56] <torpor> keyboard prefs->layout, right?
[01:57] <bob2> yes
[01:57] <StarScream> well i just installed it yesterday so i haven't found it yet
[01:57] <torpor> okay, whats a better setup then?  i've got a powerbook g4.  is there a smart key-combo for switching apps in gnome?  i don't want to use mouse for everything.
[01:57] <bob2> mouse button emulation requirs more than that
[01:57] <bob2> torpor: alt-tab
[01:57] <torpor> doesn't work.
[01:57] <bob2> what does that mean?
[01:58] <torpor> it means, it does not work.  i press alt-tab, nothing happens.
[01:58] <StarScream> hmm my alt-tab works...but how do  i get a right click
[01:58] <bob2> torpor: insightful
[01:58] <bob2> torpor: does tgab not work in general? does alt?
[01:58] <bob2> torpor: do other metacity bindings work ok?
[01:59] <Marmaduke> Does anyone know why the Warty release cd is labeled "Preview i386 Binary-1"??
[01:59] <torpor> okay .. i switched my keymap to "macintosh" ... then i had to go to the keyboard macro's panel and set up window-switching-with-popup to work with alt-tab.
[01:59] <torpor> if i knew how to contribute back to ubuntu-ppc and fix it so that if it installs on a powerbook the keymap is automatically set up, i would .. but just for now, i'd like to get my system working and learn in the process.
[02:00] <septeracore> Marmaduke: afaik they just forgot to change it
[02:00] <kent> whats the URL for geekonline? The place that sold tshirt and stuff. I cant find it :(
[02:00] <bob2> thinkgeek?
[02:00] <Marmaduke> ah well, that's OK. As long the iso is really the final release :-D
[02:01] <kent> bob2, thanks. 
[02:01] <graham> anybody here tried compiling mono apps on ubuntu?
[02:01] <bob2> yes, works fine
[02:02] <graham> did you get mono from tseng's repository, or install by hand? I'm just wondering whether you need to get seperate gtk# stuff from elsewhere...
[02:02] <torpor> anyone know why the general refresh rate of X on powerbook is so slow?  i see blits.
[02:02] <bob2> tseng
[02:02] <graham> thanks
[02:02] <StarScream> question, if i want the source to the kernel i am currently running is it just apt-get install kernel-source?
[02:02] <bob2> torpor: that's not the refresh rate
[02:03] <torpor> is it just the speed of my machine?
[02:03] <graham> StarScream, apt-cache search linux-source
[02:03] <torpor> its only 500mhz.  but OSX is snappy.
[02:03] <graham> StarScream, then you'll see what's available
[02:03] <bob2> torpor: how fast is it? is DRI enabled?
[02:03] <torpor> i'm not complaining, i'm just curious.
[02:03] <StarScream> graham..k there is heaps...but none of them match up to the name in uname -a
[02:04] <Despair> torpor: you may not be running accelerated X drivers, or have properly set up mtrrs (which can take a huge toll on X performance)
[02:04] <torpor> bob2: seems like DRI is enabled .. my XF86config has "Load "Dri" in the modules section.
[02:04] <graham> StarScream, I've not got a ubuntu box handy, but I suspect that you can chop the arch specific bit of `uname -r` off the end to get the correct name of the source package
[02:04] <bob2> torpor: nvidia vide ocard?
[02:04] <torpor> Despair: i'm only using the default ubuntu install on this powerbook so far, i haven't tweaked anything as i've only just started using it...
[02:04] <mjr> torpor, that doesn't mean anything
[02:05] <mjr> or rather, it means that X will _try_ to load dri
[02:05] <torpor> okay
[02:05] <mjr> and yet, dri has pretty much no impact on usual 2d rendering
[02:06] <torpor> so, the point of asking about "DRI enabled" was ... ?
[02:06] <mjr> so even if you lack it, you might (but probably not, judging by the symtoms) have accelerated drivers activated
[02:06] <bob2> torpor: do you have an nvidia card?
[02:06] <torpor> bob2: its a rev-a powerbook.  i think that is ATI.
[02:07] <mjr> torpor, what's on the Driver line in your X config?
[02:07] <StarScream> torpor i think you will find its running in fbmode
[02:07] <StarScream> mine is on my ibook g3 800
[02:07] <torpor> driver "ati"
[02:08] <bob2> torpor: post on the ubuntu-users list, daniel or fabbionne will know more than anyone here now
[02:08] <torpor> i have no idea what mtrrs is, and it seems synaptic doesn't either.
[02:08] <torpor> okay
[02:08] <StarScream> hmm ok i got the headers for my ppc kernel but can't find the source..
[02:08] <mjr> torpor, hmm, interesting, then it should use an accelerated driver; the list idea is probably good
[02:08] <torpor> i'll try that.
[02:08] <Despair> torpor: `cat /proc/mtrr`
[02:08] <StarScream> or is it the same ...regardless of the ppc or not
[02:08] <StarScream> i guess it would be hey...
[02:09] <torpor> no such file.
[02:09] <torpor> /proc/mtrr
[02:09] <graham> StarScream, it is the same, yes
[02:09] <Despair> torpor: hm, I thought PPC has an equivalent. Wonder if it's unsupported in linux, or just handled differently.
[02:09] <torpor> dunno anything about it.
[02:09] <torpor> but okay.
[02:10] <Despair> torpor: it controls cache modes. write-back for normal memory, and write-combining for agp & video ranges are usual settings.
[02:10] <torpor> thanks for your help folks.  i'm gonna give up on ubuntu for now, it seems like its just really not ready for my powerbook yet, and i don't have time to learn yet another linux distro's quirks and irregularities.  nice to have it on there though, in case i ever need to do .. something .. in linux ..
[02:10] <bob2> torpor: 4 of the ubuntu developers own powerboooks
[02:11] <bob2> if you actually want it to work, you can put in the minmal amount of effort to ask on the list
[02:11] <StarScream> torpor..its the same with all ppc distros
[02:11] <StarScream> manduck and ydl are just as bad
[02:11] <torpor> i will do that, but for now i can't afford to bugger around with it.  i'm glad ubuntu is in the shape its in though, its still a pretty nice distro, and it was fun to install.  just, still sorta clumsy.
[02:11] <StarScream> trust me, i've looked at alot of ppc distros
[02:11] <StarScream> so far ubuntu is the beset
[02:11] <StarScream> best
[02:12] <StarScream> why not just dual boot like i am for now
[02:12] <torpor> hey, me too.  i checked out ydl and crux before ubuntu.  i'll leave ubuntu on here, but play with it later.
[02:12] <torpor> i am dual booting, yah.
[02:12] <StarScream> once you have learnt how to do it, it will be all good
[02:12] <StarScream> basically the same situation i'm in
[02:13] <torpor> damn, seems like sound has suddenly decided to start working. weird.
[02:13] <torpor> ah well. cheers folks!  
[02:17] <Marmaduke> Is there any sort of gnome add on/tweak so that you can share a folder (using samba) by right-clicking on it? Like what KDE can do.
[02:19] <sivang> Marmaduke : not that I know of, but you might be enlighted by the folks here
[02:19] <sivang> Marmaduke : you can always use SWAT
[02:19] <Marmaduke> true, or hack the smb.conf file :-D
[02:19] <sivang> Marmaduke : it's a web frontend for SAMBA's configuration file, I find it rather useful
[02:19] <bob2> there's ifolder
[02:20] <sivang> Marmaduke : yes that might be it. Althought such a GNOMEish frontend doesn't sound a bad idea at all
[02:21] <Marmaduke> Well I guess I could learn how to develop gnome apps and write something :-D
[02:21] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/ubuntu-artwork_0.2.15-1_all.deb
[02:21] <jdub> ^ couple of bug fixes
[02:21] <jdub> Marmaduke: mandrake have a nautilus extension that can do that
[02:22] <sivang> Marmaduke : you can , and if you use python for it you'll also enjoy it on the way :)
[02:22] <jdub> it has just been updated in their cvs to be a proper nautilus extension
[02:22] <sivang> jdub : does it have a .deb yet?
[02:22] <bob2> jdub: when will nautilus get ifolder love?
[02:23] <Marmaduke> Hmmm sounds like an interesting project to learn python/gnome :-D
[02:23] <jdub> bob2: dunno
[02:23] <jdub> sivang: no
[02:24] <Marmaduke> I did love how easy it was to install the nvidia driver. No messing the XF86Config file.
[02:24] <graham> as new kernel source is released will we expect to see packages in ubuntu, or will we have to wait for hoary?
[02:24] <bob2> warty will not be updated
[02:24] <graham> k
[02:25] <bob2> except for security and serious bug fixeas
[02:27] <__daniel> can somebody tell what to put into /etc/sudoers to make sudo work?
[02:27] <__daniel> or tell me what the ouput of   grep -v ^# /etc/sudoers   is
[02:28] <bob2> rob     ALL=(ALL) ALL
[02:28] <bob2> but ubuntu will set that up for you
[02:28] <__daniel> bob2, not if you "upgraded" from debian sid ;-)
[02:28] <__daniel> bob2, thanks
[02:29] <StarScream> mjr..i know you were helping topor with his alt, earlier, my alt is working but i can't for the life of me get it to give me a right click menu
[02:29] <__daniel> hai ploum
[02:30] <bob2> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation=1
[02:30] <bob2> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode=125
[02:30] <bob2> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode=96
[02:30] <bob2> StarScream: add that to /etc/sysctl.conf
[02:32] <StarScream> bob2 cool, do i have to restart for that to take effect?
[02:32] <bob2> no
[02:32] <bob2> run "sudo sysctl -p"
[02:33] <stvn> yeah, had ik ook idd
[02:33] <StarScream> k
[02:33] <StarScream> did that
[02:33] <StarScream> which key is my modifier now?
[02:33] <bob2> now apple and "enter" ( not return) are your extra mouse buttons
[02:33] <boada> Howdy - I used "usermod" to add the first user to a group, but consequently removed that user from every other group. Can someone tell me what groups this user should be in by default?
[02:34] <bob2> rob@blerg> groups                                                         ~/tmp
[02:34] <bob2> rob adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[02:35] <StarScream> bob2..cool, apple enter works...is there a way i can get it so that i can press my apple key and click?
[02:35] <StarScream> and it will bring up the right mouse menu?
[02:35] <bob2> "enter" is the right mouse button
[02:36] <mjr> hmm, interesting; I told the installer to speak Finnish to me. Some strings are instead in Swedish. Of course, that is our second official language, but...
[02:36] <boada> bob2: Was that list for me?
[02:36] <bob2> boada: er, yes
[02:37] <boada> bob2: Thanks very much, I got confused by the "rob"
[02:37] <SepheeBear> there is an app called 'mouseemu' that is supposed the mimic the "normal" ctrl-click behavior of mac mice. google 'mouseemu' to find out more
[02:37] <bob2> it's the output of "groups" on my machines
[02:38] <xeph> Does anyone know if the cds have been shipped yet?
[02:38] <boada> bob2: OK, well, thanks a lot.
[02:38] <bob2> xeph: no, they have not
[02:38] <bob2> xeph: they'll reach you in about a month
[02:38] <SepheeBear> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001638.html
[02:38] <StarScream> bob2 yeh but instead of using enter, can i use apple+click? or is that just too difficult
[02:39] <bob2> StarScream: what SepheeBear said
[02:39] <xeph> bob2: Thanks. Do you know if they come with the live cd aswell?
[02:39] <bob2> xeph: the i386s ones do
[02:40] <xeph> bob2: Cool. Thanks
 rob adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[02:41] <Micksa> -:- SignOff JohanH: #ubuntu ("Lmnar")
[02:41] <Micksa> -:- SignOff Marmaduke: #ubuntu ("Leaving")
[02:41] <Micksa> -:- Pizbit [~Pizbit@203-79-124-44.adsl.paradise.net.nz]  has joined #ubuntu
 bob2..cool, apple enter works...is there a way i can get it so
[02:41] <Micksa>              that i can press my apple key and click?
 and it will bring up the right mouse menu?
 "enter" is the right mouse button
 hmm, interesting; I told the installer to speak Finnish to me. Some
[02:41] <Micksa>           strings are instead in Swedish. Of course, that is our second
[02:41] <Pizbit> Micksa: WTF?
[02:41] <Micksa>           official language, but...
 bob2: Was that list for me?
 boada: er, yes
[02:41] <stvn> heh
[02:41] <Micksa> -:- SignOff enrico: #ubuntu ("A Grand Day Out")
 bob2: Thanks very much, I got confused by the "rob"
 there is an app called 'mouseemu' that is supposed the mimic the
[02:41] <Micksa>              "normal" ctrl-click behavior of mac mice. google 'mouseemu' to
[02:41] <__daniel> Micksa, stop it
[02:41] <mjr> Micksa, yes, we got that :)
[02:41] <Micksa>              find out more
[02:41] <Pizbit> Sometimes I wish I had ops.
[02:42] <Micksa> -:- xeph [~xeph@ndn-ip-nas-1-p472.telkom-ipnet.co.za]  has joined #ubuntu
[02:42] <bob2> obviously he can't stop it
[02:42] <__daniel> bob2, i'm not sure about it :-)
 it's the output of "groups" on fuck
[02:42] <Pizbit> xchat automatically puts in the delay between the messages it sends
[02:42] <Micksa> I mean
[02:42] <Micksa> fuck
[02:42] <Micksa> sorry about that folks
[02:42] <Micksa> dunno what happaned
[02:42] <__daniel> :-)
[02:42] <bob2> you selected it and hit paste
[02:42] <stvn> wrong button?
[02:42] <Micksa> well I have a fair idea :)
[02:42] <Pizbit> Micksa: You spammed the channel
[02:42] <Micksa> something like that
[02:42] <__daniel> Micksa, only thing that counts: you're fine again :-)
[02:42] <Micksa> Pizbit: not on purpose
[02:43] <Micksa> daniels: I imagine it would count less if I had done that for more than 20 lines :)
[02:43] <Micksa> anyway
[02:46] <joha> Hi all!
[02:46] <joha> How is the pygtk-2.0 devel package called in Ubuntu?
[02:46] <joha> Because, under "pygtk" I don't find anything in Synaptic.
[02:47] <hornbeck> more than likely libpygtk
[02:47] <bob2> python-gtk2 - Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set
[02:47] <bob2> hornbeck: no, python packages are always python-foo
[02:47] <hornbeck> nope
[02:47] <hornbeck> bob2 just figured it out
[02:47] <hornbeck> thanks
[02:47] <Pizbit> I put the battery indicator into my gnome-panel, and it's showing 0% :)
[02:48] <Pizbit> Nevermind this is a desktop system and doesn't have a battery *grin*
[02:48] <Gmail> what did i miss?
[02:48] <hornbeck> hehe
[02:48] <joha> bob2: Okay, I just checked and that is installed. However, a package that needs pygtk2.0 doesn't ./configure still....
[02:48] <Gmail> some spamming? did someone wish they had op powers?
[02:48] <bob2> joha: what package?
[02:48] <hornbeck> x to the z
[02:48] <bob2> please don't say gdesklets
[02:48] <Pizbit> python-gtk2-dev
[02:48] <bob2> possibly
[02:49] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[02:50] <Gmail> bye HaRDaWaY
[02:50] <joha> bob2, no gnome-blog
[02:50] <Gmail> from now on when someone ask when x in hoary starting give them this http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule
[02:50] <StarScream> for some reason my fonts in gnome dont look AA
[02:50] <Gmail> we need a bot here
[02:50] <bob2> joha: it's in ubuntu
[02:50] <bob2> Gmail: no we don't
[02:51] <Gmail> bob2: we need one like dpkg
[02:51] <bob2> StarScream: computer -> desktop preferences -> fonts
[02:51] <bob2> Gmail: no, wedon't
[02:51] <Gmail> why dont we
[02:51] <bob2> Gmail: because then it will get full of crap like dpkg
[02:51] <StarScream> bob2 yeh i know, been in there, and i've set it up..it just doesn't look like its aa..
[02:51] <bob2> ubuntu has excellent documentation, people just need to read it
[02:51] <Gmail> i have been here and i saw the same question i ask being repeated 8 and i ask it only once
[02:51] <joha> bob2, I've made some changes to the source code.
[02:52] <bob2> joha: install the build-dependencies of gnome-blog then
[02:52] <Gmail> bob2: a link bot that pastes links
[02:52] <StarScream> is there a certain size at which it turns aa off automagically?
[02:52] <bob2> joha: apt-cache showsrc gnome-blog
[02:52] <bob2> Gmail: that's even worse
[02:52] <Gmail> or an irssi plug in
[02:52] <Gmail> yea if someone abuses it
[02:52] <joha> bob2, cool, thanks. That should be built into Synaptic :)
[02:52] <bob2> joha: heh
[02:53] <bob2> joha: this way you can even get a .deb out of it'
[02:53] <Gmail> joha: it is
[02:53] <StarScream> actually ...nah it is working monochrome looks even more rubbish
[02:53] <Gmail> joha: well in cvs
[02:53] <StarScream> its probably just me not being used to gnome
[02:53] <joha> Gmail, Cool
[02:53] <joha> bob2: cool, how would that work?
[02:54] <Gmail> look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule does anyone see anything wrong with the dates
[02:54] <bob2> joha: apt-get source gnome-blog
[02:54] <bob2> joha: hack the source
[02:54] <bob2> joha: run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"
[02:54] <Gmail> there is something for sure wrong with  5 	 October 18th 	 Array Test CD 1
[02:54] <bob2> joha: install the .debs it spits out
[02:54] <bob2> Gmail: chill out, it hasn't been updated
[02:54] <bob2> Gmail: it's known
[02:54] <Gmail> because the hoary branch isnt open yet
[02:55] <bob2> yes, it's known
[02:55] <Gmail> ok bob2 you guys where planing a bit faster than you went?
[02:55] <xeph> Is there a list on the site that lists all the packages available in Warty?
[02:56] <Gmail> will ubuntu be also shiting hoary?
[02:56] <joha> Okay, got it running
[02:56] <joha> Thanks
[02:56] <bob2> joha: cool
[02:56] <bob2> xeph: the seeds should
[02:57] <bob2> Gmail: "shiting"?
[02:57] <Gmail> shiping
[02:57] <Pizbit> xeph: There's always "apt-cache search \."  I believe *grin*
[02:57] <Gmail> me hates spelling
[02:57] <bob2> Gmail: it hasn't been decided.
[02:57] <Keybuk> Gmail: we decided not to open hoary before warty released
[02:57] <bob2> Gmail: I know, but it makes talking to you very hard
[02:57] <Gmail> ohhh
[02:57] <Keybuk> Gmail: also that schedule was actually written before GNOME's, so needs adjusting anyway
[02:58] <xeph> bob2: where can I find a seed?
[02:58] <Gmail> bob2: i cant wait till virc is starting to be more common
[02:58] <StarScream> Gmail...virc better than ksirc?
[02:58] <bob2> xeph: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog
[02:59] <xeph> bob2: Ahh. Thanks :)
[03:00] <Gmail> maybe they will call it VoIRC
[03:01] <Gmail> if hoary isnt opening with in the next 2 weeks i will work on porting some debian debs to ubuntu like the latest gaim and xchat
[03:02] <Keybuk> Gmail: the kickoff meeting is in Monday and will discuss how we resync with Debian and what the goals are
[03:02] <Gmail> and if ubuntu uses the debian version of the kernel w/o any patch i'll also port it
[03:03] <StarScream> hmm my battery seems to be getting chewed under linux..1:55 and my battery is down to 23%
[03:03] <Gmail> Keybuk: if you need me to port apps over i can help because i made lot of backort before from experiMENTAL to sarge for people
[03:04] <Gmail> StarScream: lol if something to do with some settings and the cpu
[03:04] <Gmail> i dont know that much about laptops
[03:06] <theine> Is there something like a development branch for Ubuntu and if so, what is the apt-repository called?
[03:06] <bob2> no, not yet
[03:06] <Gmail> theine: there is one but is going to be talked about the path its taking on monday
[03:07] <theine> Looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ there already seems to be hoary
[03:07] <bob2> theine: it's empty
[03:07] <bob2> 23:02 < Keybuk> Gmail: the kickoff meeting is in Monday and will discuss how we resync with Debian and what the goals are
[03:07] <theine> I see, thanks
[03:08] <Gmail> bob2: so the meeting is on monday
[03:09] <bob2> tuesday morning, our time
[03:09] <Pizbit> Hehe
[03:10] <Pizbit> It's already monday here, has been for over 2 hours, and it's a public holiday to boot.
[03:10] <Gmail> errr that make it werst i had time tonight and monday night to port stuff over but ... i was talking about porting to warty not to haory
[03:10] <Anima> hi
[03:11] <Anima> i am currently using the ubuntu liveCD and was wondering is there a way to install it onto the hard disk?
[03:11] <Pizbit> Nope
[03:11] <Anima> oh ok
[03:11] <Anima> so i need to get the install release..
[03:13] <joolz> i just had my draytek router point to local syslog, works ok. Does ubuntu have a syslog analyzer on board?
[03:14] <bob2> joolz: I liked logwatch
[03:14] <joolz> bob2: tx, i'll have a look
[03:15] <theine> Anybody knows how to re-enable the feature to ``paste'' links into firefox with the middle mouse button?
[03:17] <Pizbit> theine: about:config in the url bar, search for middlemouse.contentLoadURL and set to true <-Does this give what you're looking for?
[03:18] <theine> let's see...
[03:18] <muhv> where i can find version 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel image and headers for ubuntu?
[03:18] <Micksa> does there exist some sort of application that can check your mail and pop up the messages (maybe complete, maybe just the subject), depending maybe on the message?
[03:18] <Micksa> of that makes sense
[03:18] <Micksa> IF
[03:18] <muhv> apt-get install kernel-header-2.6-386 will end up version 2.6.7-1
[03:19] <theine> Pizbit: Yes it does, thank you
[03:19] <bob2> Micksa: that would be cool
[03:19] <Pizbit> theine: I only know that because I friggin hate that behaviour *grin*
[03:19] <TomJoad> hi all
[03:19] <bob2> muhv: linux-headers-foo
[03:19] <Micksa> bob2: yes, it would
[03:19] <Micksa> I was thinking today
[03:19] <theine> Really? For me it's the opposite
[03:20] <Pizbit> Yeah, I use middle click to open stuff in tabs, lots
[03:20] <Micksa> suppose you want to get notified of, say, changes to CVS or a wiki
[03:20] <Pizbit> And sometimes I miss the link cause I was doing it too fast
[03:20] <Micksa> and email doesn't really cut it, by itself because then you'd get flooded
[03:20] <theine> Ok, I can see that's quite convenient too
[03:20] <Micksa> but if you had an app that picked certain messages (based on arbitrary criteria) out of your inbox as they were received, and just popped them up on the screen
[03:20] <Pizbit> Also disabling it allows you to middle click on a tab to close it.
[03:20] <Micksa> it would make thinks much more convenient
[03:20] <muhv> bob2: what do u mean by tahat
[03:21] <Micksa> so like, should I start coding this up or something? :)
[03:21] <Pizbit> Micksa: Sure
[03:21] <bob2> muhv: it's not called kernel-headers, it's called linux-headers
[03:21] <Micksa> or :)
[03:21] <TomJoad> i downloaded the warthy iso-image, and my computer doesn't boot from it; my motherboard is less than 2 years old, what should i do?
[03:22] <bob2> TomJoad: does your computer support booting cds?
[03:22] <Pizbit> TomJoad: Is your bios set to boot off the cd before hd?
[03:22] <__daniel> TomJoad, did you look up the boot order in bios?
[03:22] <muhv> bob2: tnx
[03:22] <Micksa> I'll ask around a bit more first
[03:22] <Micksa> no sense in re-inventing the wheel
[03:22] <TomJoad> yes and yes
[03:22] <Pizbit> TomJoad: Sounds like a bad burn then or you didn't burn it as an image
[03:22] <TomJoad> i have installed sarge on it, so i don't know what the problem could be
[03:23] <TomJoad> so it's the burn?
[03:23] <bob2> TomJoad: did it burn ok?
[03:23] <TomJoad> yes
[03:23] <Pizbit> TomJoad: Those're my guesses.
[03:23] <TomJoad> and md5sum was ok
[03:24] <TomJoad> so it's not a known bug, i should keep on trying...
[03:24] <Pizbit> Hrm, sleep time, ninis.
[03:24] <xenonite> TomJoad: have you tried to boot with another cd? e.g. knoppix
[03:25] <xenonite> Pizbit: gn8
[03:25] <bob2> TomJoad: try asking on the ubuntu-users list
[03:25] <bob2> xenonite: he said sarge installed fine
[03:25] <theine> By the eay, I love gnome 2.8, but metacity ***** balls
[03:26] <theine> I mean still
[03:27] <xenonite> so, how can i change the window-resizing behavior? i press ALT+LeftMB to move the window, and i want ALT+RightMB to resize.
[03:27] <bob2> did you find the metacity keybdingins config thing?
[03:28] <xenonite> yes
[03:28] <theine> xenonite: I would recommend using openbox as your window manager in gnome...
[03:28] <bob2> and you set it there?
[03:29] <bob2> any window manager recommendation is completely subjective
[03:29] <StarScream> bob2, since your the laptop expert, do you know how i can change the frequency that the cpu is running at?
[03:29] <bob2> however, metacity is the best integrated into gnome
[03:29] <bob2> StarScream: I'm no expert
[03:29] <xenonite> bob2: i found /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier in gconf
[03:29] <theine> bo2: true enough
[03:29] <bob2> StarScream: and that depends on your CPU
[03:29] <StarScream> bob2, g3 800\
[03:29] <xenonite> theine: so whats the big difference between those window managers?
[03:29] <bob2> StarScream: you can configure powernowd to do that
[03:30] <StarScream> cheers
[03:30] <Gmail> does anyone here *really* use kde? or even like it? its so unlogical to me
[03:30] <bob2> or cpufreqd
[03:30] <bob2> Gmail: please don't troll.
[03:30] <StarScream> Gmail...i do
[03:30] <theine> xenonite: 6 words, middle mouse maximizes the window vertically
[03:30] <StarScream> Gmail i dont want to start a flame war, but its my preferred environment
[03:30] <theine> That's such a nice feature!
[03:31] <xenonite> :)
[03:31] <Gmail> StarScream: what part of it because the last time i used it was in version 2 and i hated it but i guess it imporvoded
[03:31] <Gmail> bob2: i am not trolling i wanted to know why people like it
[03:31] <StarScream> Gmail..ok, well i was a die hard gnome fan till 3.2 
[03:31] <StarScream> so its changed a fair bit
[03:32] <StarScream> try it and see, it doesn't do any harm
[03:32] <theine> Also resistance against other windows is nice, not sure if metacity has this feature as well tough
[03:32] <bob2> Gmail: it's off-topic and trollish.
[03:32] <Gmail> ok we are moving to a pm
[03:32] <bob2> Gmail: thank you
[03:33] <stvn> __daniel: haha
[03:33] <xenonite> theine: huh? a window-defender *g*
[03:33] <Gmail> gnome 3.2?
[03:33] <hornbeck> sparkes: we hang out in #ubuntu-devel
[03:33] <hornbeck> alot of talking right now
[03:33] <sparkes> hey hornbeck 
[03:33] <hornbeck> head on over
[03:33] <theine> Alright, that's enough advertisement from my side :)
[03:33] <xenonite> ;)
[03:35] <Gmail> __daniel: tell me about gnome 3.2 i am still using the latest version 2.8
[03:35] <xenonite> Gmail: kde3.2 he meant
[03:35] <iz> aha
[03:35] <Gmail> o.0
[03:35] <StarScream> yeh i was talking about kde 3.2 :)
[03:36] <Gmail> i am talking about what __danielsaid
[03:36] <Gmail> * __daniel remembers the good old times too: gnome3.2 really rocked :-)
[03:36] <xenonite> seems like kde is more developped than gnome ;) gnome has to take the next step
[03:36] <stvn> Gmail: it was a joke - duh
[03:37] <bob2> and then we could comment on how KDE has so many useless options in it's contro lcenter that it needs a search engine
[03:37] <Gmail> xenonite: gnome is developped on more than kde
[03:37] <bob2> but that would be OT, so let's not ;-)
[03:37] <Keybuk> KDE has certainly been being developed for longer than GNOME
[03:37] <Gmail> xenonite: look at gnome's browser firefox (as of 2.8 ephin was droped)
[03:37] <xenonite> Gmail: lol look at the version number: gnome _can't_ be more developped
[03:38] <stvn> xenonite: LOL
[03:38] <Gmail> xenonite: gnome relest a new version ever 6 months
[03:38] <Keybuk> Gmail: Epiphany is still 2.8's browser upstream
[03:38] <theine> Gmail: officially dropped by the gnome team?
[03:38] <Gmail> no
[03:38] <iz> kde burp
[03:38] <Gmail> unoffical droped by most distros
[03:38] <xenonite> theine: i thought ubuntu chose firefox
[03:38] <theine> It did
[03:38] <xenonite> theine: inofficially
[03:39] <Gmail> khtml does render as much as firefox does
[03:39] <theine> And that was a really good decision of course
[03:39] <xenonite> yes indeed
[03:39] <bob2> Gmail: please stop making uninformed comments on everything
[03:39] <Gmail> gnome 2.8 has 4 main browsers
[03:39] <xenonite> hm 1 is enough i think
[03:39] <xenonite> this is firefox
[03:40] <Keybuk> personally I find GNOME more pleasurable to develop for than KDE
[03:40] <StarScream> k battery is going to run out and i forgot the charger...cya peoople
[03:40] <ozan>  i want my mp3 files to be played with mplayer but i want gnome to open a console and play how can i do it?
[03:40] <Gmail> eniph, mozilla, firefox and i cant even now rember its name because the last time i used it, it was 1.6 years ago
[03:40] <xenonite> Keybuk: do you code c? or c++? or even c#?
[03:40] <Keybuk> xenonite: yes.
[03:41] <xenonite> ;)
[03:41] <cef> the only real issue with konqueror (as a browser) is getting java support working (ie: it has issues with most sites/apps)... moz at least tends to get that right, but lacks in other small ways..
[03:41] <Keybuk> GTK+ is sex, Gtk# is sex with handcuffs and blindfolds
[03:41] <stvn> Keybuk: kinky :)
[03:41] <helix> heh
[03:41] <Gmail> can someone pm me feature that kde has that gnome doesnt as the person which was before just left
[03:42] <helix> bob2: you already know the answer to that :)
[03:42] <bob2> heheh
[03:42] <cef> Keybuk: what, no whips and chains?
[03:42] <stvn> helix: visual basic? ;)
[03:43] <xenonite> i think those chains are for gtk+. c# development is faster than with c&c++
[03:43] <Keybuk> actually, this is one good example where GNOME is light-years ahead of KDE ... it's language bindings
[03:43] <__daniel> Keybuk, even proper c++ bindings ;-)
[03:43] <bob2> gtkmm is pretty awesome
[03:43] <xenonite> hmm
[03:43] <bob2> especially with glademm
[03:43] <__daniel> bob2, where do you get glademm from?
[03:43] <__daniel> bob2, well glade--
[03:44] <Keybuk> libglademm-2.4-1 ate a guess
[03:44] <bob2> jah
[03:45] <__daniel> "apt-file search glade--" doesnt give me anything
[03:46] <xcasex> question, the glrx module is precompiled and availible from restricted right?
[03:46] <bob2> yes
[03:47] <bob2> BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[03:47] <theine> __daniel: what about ``apt-cache search glademm''>
[03:47] <xcasex> aah yes
[03:47] <xcasex> thanks
[03:47] <__daniel> theine, i want /usr/bin/glade--
[03:47] <Keybuk> __daniel: no such beast.
[03:47] <__daniel> theine, cause that's what  glade  calls when i want it to supply me with cool c++ code
[03:48] <helix> hm, speaking of c++
[03:48] <theine> sorry, can't help you with that
[03:48] <xenonite> Keybuk: have you tried objective-c?
[03:48] <stvn> night bob2 
[03:48] <helix> he's faking it
[03:48] <__daniel> bob2, sleep tight
[03:48] <Keybuk> the best way to use glade is through libglade and libglademm ... you use the interface's XML files and load them into your app at runtime
[03:48] <Gmail> ok anyone have some tip on what programming lang i *should* learn and any good book to get?
[03:48] <Keybuk> the generated code is ... inconvenient
[03:49] <xenonite> gn8 bob
[03:49] <__daniel> Keybuk, oh, i see
[03:49] <Keybuk> xenonite: nope, never really interested me
[03:49] <cef> sleep sounds like a good idea, except that I've done a lot of it today
[03:49] <Gmail> opps i wanted to ask that in #freenode but doesnt matter
[03:49] <stvn> cmcobalt
[03:49] <stvn> Gmail: colbalt
[03:49] <helix> Gmail: learn scheme
[03:49] <__daniel> Keybuk, i just made you my personal c++ glade teacher ;-)
[03:49] <stvn> hm typos
[03:50] <cef> Gmail: brainfuck.. learn that
[03:50] <xenonite> Keybuk: obj-C seems to be objectoriented without the problems of C++
[03:50] <__daniel> cef, all the guys talk about brainfuck - is there *any* cool user program done in it already?
[03:50] <mjr> hmh, my fresh-installed Ubuntu system doesn't seem to be able to get a address via DHCP in either my home WLAN or the wireful variety
[03:50] <xenonite> Gmail: you could start with the easy php, continue with sql
[03:51] <Gmail> so whats so good about colbalt? why not c? i want to write app using GTK ...?
[03:52] <Gmail> xenonite: hmm there is php-gtk maybe
[03:52] <cef> __daniel: nope, but that wasn't part of the original question *grin*
[03:52] <Keybuk> Gmail: a great way to get into GNOME apps is Mono/Gtk#
[03:52] <__daniel> cef, but it tells something about the relevance of the answer
[03:52] <__daniel> :-)
[03:52] <Keybuk> (ie. .NET and C#)
[03:53] <merriam> Gmail: ignore him.  there's no such thing as "colbalt"
[03:53] <Gmail> where do i find ubuntu calender bg ? and yes i read what it is in the faq but it doesnt tell me where to get it from
[03:53] <cef> __daniel: hey, I['m hoping someone does something useful in it.. eg: implements gtk bindings or something equally absurd)
[03:53] <Gmail> no way i am not learning some m$ hacked version of c called c#
[03:53] <Keybuk> Gmail: aptitude install ubuntu-calendar
[03:53] <Keybuk> that package includes it
[03:54] <alindeman> Gmail: c# isn't an MS standard
[03:54] <alindeman> They've implemented it, but it's not their idea
[03:54] <xenonite> c# is a nice language, relatively easy to understand.
[03:54] <Keybuk> C# is a reasonably nice language, it's kinda a cross between C, Java and ObjectPascal
[03:54] <Gmail> Keybuk: i got it installed but where is it?
[03:54] <alindeman> http://mono-project.com/
[03:54] <cef> __daniel: acutally I personally prefer plain old C for most anything that I can't do in bash. *grin*
[03:54] <Keybuk> Gmail: select it in the Desktop Background Preferences dialog
[03:55] <xenonite> btw monodevelop is missing in the aptrepository of ubuntu
[03:55] <azeem> hi
[03:55] <xenonite> hi
[03:55] <alindeman> C# is an ECMA standard
[03:55] <__daniel> cef, i just learned c++ and it seems i'll be able to like it :-)
[03:56] <Keybuk> xenonite: yes, mono-mcs doesn't compile yet so monodevelop won't build yet
[03:56] <azeem> is there a way to display the devices during the installer? lspci does not seem to be around
[03:56] <Keybuk> alindeman: true, but designed by MS
[03:56] <Gmail> Keybuk: is that the same one which that you chose your bg in ?
[03:56] <merriam> alindeman: who says c# isn't ms's idea?
[03:56] <Keybuk> Gmail: yes
[03:56] <bob2> C# was invented by MS, but is an ECMA standard,.
[03:56] <xenonite> Keybuk: nice to hear they work at it
[03:57] <Gmail> Keybuk: no where in that dailog does it say ubuntu-cal..
[03:57] <cef> bob2: what worries me more is htat ECMA can be juggled about to spell ACME
[03:57] <Gmail> bob2: it was bought by m$
[03:57] <mjr> hmm, after reboot it gets onto the network
[03:57] <mjr> go figure
[03:57] <Keybuk> xenonite: mono-mcs needs mono-mcs to build mono-mcs which needs... :o)
[03:57] <Keybuk> Gmail: "Ubuntu Monthly Calendar"
[03:57] <bob2> Gmail: what was bought by MS?
[03:57] <Gmail> Keybuk: want a screeny?
[03:57] <xenonite> which needs bootstrapping with the ms-compiler
[03:57] <merriam> Gmail: you're making this up
[03:57] <Gmail> c# bob2
[03:58] <Gmail> merriam: when was something made by m$
[03:58] <bob2> Gmail: can you please stop making definitive claims about things you don't anything about?
[03:58] <Keybuk> MS make a lot of things
[03:58] <bob2> it's very frustrating.
[03:58] <Gmail> i bet they even bought winblows off some kid which was making some stupid os
[03:58] <bob2> Gmail: please?
[03:58] <Gmail> bob2: lol
[03:58] <merriam> Gmail: if you're just guessing, admit it
[03:58] <bob2> you're being very annoying.
[03:58] <Gmail> i am
[03:58] <xenonite> okay i bet with you
[03:59] <bob2> he's not even guessing, he's making things up.
[03:59] <Gmail> i am stating the ovices
[03:59] <le7heus> Does anyone know something about sound-programs like: ecasound, audacity, Rosegarden
[03:59] <bob2> Gmail: no, you're making things up and claiming they are true.
[03:59] <bob2> Gmail: the difference between reality and fabrication is important.
[04:00] <Gmail> 0_o
[04:00] <JStrike> tseng : You in?
[04:00] <helix> even for solipsists?
[04:00] <xenonite> look, he is ``stating the ovices''
[04:00] <Keybuk> what have sheep got to do with it? :)
[04:01] <cef> so what's an ovices then?
[04:01] <bob2> lifeless: ping?
[04:01] <bob2> boom-tish
[04:01] <xenonite> hm he cant answer, he is out
[04:01] <helix> I think he meant "obvious"
[04:01] <Despair> helix: not offices?
[04:01] <helix> well, maybe orifices
[04:01] <cef> I was guessing so, but you never can tell with Gmail
[04:01] <xenonite> what a cheep choke (oops sheeps i mean)
[04:02] <Keybuk> helix: he's certainly speaking out of one
[04:02] <helix> heh :)
[04:02] <cef> I know my spelling is bad, but these kids today take the cake!
[04:03] <Keybuk> ooh, cake
[04:03] <cef> stvn: thank'ye.. hrm.. tastes of almonds.. you're not trying to poison me, are you?
[04:04] <stvn> cef: me?? ..... no!!!
[04:04] <merriam> Gmail can hit a whole line of characters by mistake
[04:04] <xenonite> lol
[04:05] <xenonite> cef, nice feature! works with kde, too?
[04:05] <stvn> haha
[04:05] <Gmail> merriam: i was using xchat
[04:05] <cef> boom-tish!
[04:05] <Gmail> and hit server > disconnect
[04:05] <tseng> JStrike: sure
[04:06] <cef> xenonite: where's mine?
[04:06] <cef> xenonite: remember, bring back enough for the whole channel, or don't bother coming back! *grin*
[04:07] <bob2> it's vegan chocolate
[04:07] <helix> hmm
[04:08] <bob2> made with soy milk
[04:08] <cef> helix: and here I was just about to add that he better consider that there are vegans in here too
[04:08] <helix> heh
[04:08] <bob2> Keybuk: make daf do it for you
[04:08] <helix> being considerate of vegans usually means stabbing them in the face and waving chicken wings in front of them
[04:09] <bob2> cef: did you get ubuntu onto that amd64 the other day?
[04:09] <Keybuk> heh, "I'm entirely happy to cook vegan food when you visit, so I expect you to cook me steak when I visit"
[04:09] <bob2> haha
[04:09] <le7heus> does someone know anything about installing sound-programs in ubuntu, like: audacity, ecasound or rosegarden? And do you know about a linux-music irc-channel?
[04:09] <cef> bob2: it's at work, and i'm not.. so it's installed but needs some initrd love
[04:10] <bob2> cef: ah, right
[04:10] <cef> bob2: so in about 12 hrs, it should be fixed (I hope)..
[04:10] <Gmail> I WANT CHOC!
[04:10] <helix> you're not allowed to have sugar. 
[04:10] <cef> bob2: and a bug report should also be filed by that time
[04:11] <enabl> is there any way to apt-get the 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel sources?
[04:11] <cef> bob2: then I can have some fun *grin*.. should be interesting
[04:11] <cef> xenonite: thank'ye
[04:11] <xenonite> well someone else?
[04:12] <xenonite> hmm tasting very good
[04:12] <xenonite> i take the rest, ok?
[04:12] <bob2> enabl: why not the latest?
[04:12] <Gmail> btw does ubuntu releast there iso images every 2 weeks after gnome comes out? with a test iso the day after gnome comes out?
[04:13] <bob2> cef: hah, should be scarily fast
[04:13] <xenonite> bob2: btw its made with with real milk
[04:13] <JStrike> tseng : Muine should preferably use the gstreamer-backend now the gstreamer is up to scratch, or at least have the xine backend use alsa instead of OSS
[04:13] <bob2> xenonite: ah, excellent, more for me!
[04:13] <bob2> Gmail: the release schedule is on the wiki
[04:13] <cef> bob2: should be.. dual opteron 246 and 3ware raid.. not really really fast, but fast enough
[04:14] <enabl> bob2 whats the newest?
[04:14] <Gmail> bob2: and in the faq
[04:14] <Yannick_R> Hello, I've a widescreen on my laptop and the server X doesn't want to start does somebody know what could I do ?
[04:14] <xenonite> 4.5 pieces left...
[04:14] <bob2> enabl: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:14] <bob2> Gmail: yes.
[04:14] <tseng> JStrike: yes im aware. thanks
[04:15] <cef> bob2: I'll have a hack at a few things with it and hopefully I can get into things again
[04:15] <bob2> Yannick_R: please read wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:15] <Yannick_R> ok
[04:15] <xenonite> Yannick_R: you somehow have to write in the vgabios at boot and at shutdown
[04:15] <Gmail> but the it only has for the next few releast
[04:15] <Micksa> woo, got an inkscape diagram sucessfully into a tex doc
[04:15] <Micksa> latex, even
[04:15] <enabl> thanks bob2
[04:15] <cef> xenonite: I knew there was something weird about that chocolate.. I'm used to very very dark chocolate. oh well
[04:15] <Gmail> i want to know in a few years time when gnome 5.8 is out
[04:15] <bob2> Gmail: um, do you really need to plan the exact day of a release 2 years in the future?
[04:16] <JStrike> tseng : Ah. Also, any luck making Beagle and iFolder packages? 
[04:16] <xenonite> cef, i like those "gepa" with 70% chocolate mose.
[04:16] <xenonite> most
[04:16] <cef> bob2: why do I see the words "management potential" written above Gmail's head?
[04:16] <tseng> JStrike: jdub was working on ifolder i believe. search the wiki for a beagle howto
[04:16] <bob2> cef: heehehe
[04:17] <Yannick_R> bob2 : what I'm I looking for in the wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:17] <bob2> Yannick_R: XAutodetection...
[04:17] <Yannick_R> bob2 : ok
[04:17] <Gmail> bob2: yes i installed SuSE on someone computer which didnt even know howto use winblows and never read a howto use linux. and planing to upgrade him by the time i think he is read to goto a normal distro
[04:17] <JStrike> tseng : I know how to get beagle working :-) I was talking about creating packages for people
[04:17] <Gmail> cef: tell that to #flexcp
[04:18] <tseng> well, ill think about it
[04:18] <cef> bob2: ahh yes, that reminds me that i have to hit daniels next time I see him
[04:18] <JStrike> tseng : good stuff
[04:18] <bob2> Gmail: er...how does knowing when "gnome 5.8" will be out help wit hthat?
[04:18] <bob2> cef: on principle?
[04:18] <cef> bob2: pretty much *grin*
[04:18] <bob2> hehe
[04:18] <bob2> cef: ask him about x.org ;)
[04:19] <cef> bob2: he's off overseas soon about all that isn't he?
[04:20] <Tzalidar> i want to make the command "xrandr -r 100" execute when gdm launches and when i loging
[04:20] <Gmail> bob2: d/m
[04:20] <Tzalidar> where should i put that script?
[04:20] <Gmail> ok if i make a new user on wiki can anyone see the password i chose? like admins?
[04:20] <bob2> Tzalidar: it'd be easier to jsut setup X to use that...
[04:20] <bob2> cef: think so
[04:21] <bob2> Gmail: if they want to...
[04:21] <Gmail> or bob2
[04:21] <bob2> no, I cannot see your wiki password
[04:21] <bob2> or anyone else's
[04:21] <helix> haha
[04:21] <Gmail> ok who are the people who can see it and what are there nicks here
[04:21] <Gmail> bob2: you cant see your own?
[04:21] <bob2> I cannot find out where you live and bop you with a stick, either
[04:21] <Tzalidar> bob2 i have 100 hz as a modeline
[04:21] <cef> bob2: pity
[04:21] <Tzalidar> for some reason i cant get x to default to it
[04:22] <bob2> Gmail: choose a password you don't care about
[04:22] <Gmail> good i dont want people to now my password that i am using for one other thing
[04:22] <Tzalidar> so i need to run the command everytime i login
[04:22] <cef> Gmail: it's also probably stored as a hash, rather than storing the password itself
[04:22] <bob2> Gmail: the machine admins can see it if they really cared to, but a) they don't, b) they don't and c) you're paranoid
[04:22] <Tzalidar> and i can't stand 85 hz on a crt
[04:22] <bob2> Gmail: did you know lilo can see your nickserv password?
[04:23] <bob2> Gmail: and the google people can see  your gmail password!
[04:23] <Rico> Any easy cure if the installer will not see your CD rom drive?
[04:23] <Gmail> yea yea
[04:23] <bob2> so stop being so paranoid.
[04:23] <Tzalidar> any1 have an idea where i should put "xrandr -r 100" so that i get 100hz all the time?
[04:23] <bob2> your wiki password is worthless, anyway
[04:24] <Gmail> na i wound be paraniod if if you or anyone i annoy cound see my password
[04:24] <bob2> Tzalidar: write tothe ubuntu users list and ask how to make X default to 100Hz
[04:24] <bob2> Gmail: that sentence makes no sense
[04:24] <Gmail> and i once had bad histroy with a forums
[04:24] <Gmail> bob2: d/m
[04:24] <bob2> Tzalidar: you can stick it in one of the XSession files gdm installs if you want
[04:24] <bob2> Gmail: "d/m" is not a word, either.
[04:24] <helix> to match his hat?
[04:25] <GotD0t> hi
[04:25] <cef> helix: I can sell him one of those too.. *grin*
[04:25] <xenonite> Tzalidar: maybe you could use ~/.xsession
[04:25] <bob2> Gmail: nobody will try to hijack your wiki account, it's utterly worthless.  if you make enemies, it's because of your behaviour, which you can fix.
[04:25] <Gmail> doesnt matter = d/m
[04:25] <Tzalidar> xenonite ;) good idea, ill try that
[04:25] <cef> Rico: what sort of cd rom drive is it?
[04:25] <bob2> Tzalidar: after you run xrandr, run "gnome-session" to get into gnome
[04:25] <Gmail> bob2: no i a woriod they are going to hijack something else more importaint
[04:25] <bob2> Tzalidar: (you'll need to choose the "Debian Session" to make gdm run ~/.xsession)
[04:26] <bob2> Gmail: then use a worthless password
[04:26] <Rico> Hitachi DVD GD-5000
[04:26] <bob2> Gmail: and I promise the admins don't know or care about you
[04:26] <graham> Gmail, pwgen
[04:26] <GotD0t> right, because hse uses the same password for everything
[04:26] <cef> Rico: scsi or ide?
[04:26] <GotD0t> right gmail?
[04:26] <Rico> I have tried 4 different cd-rom drives
[04:26] <stvn> is the nfs-kernel-server much different from the debian-sarge one? somehow after upgrading to ubuntu I can't conenct to my nfs shares anymore
[04:26] <Rico> ide
[04:26] <bob2> stvn: did you load the kernel modules for it?
[04:26] <cef> Rico: hrm... what sort of ide controller? (ie: m/board?
[04:26] <Rico> yes motherboard
[04:26] <stvn> bob2: not that i'm aware off, let me check
[04:27] <cef> Rico: what model/brand motherboard?
[04:27] <bob2> stvn: "nfsd" is the one you want
[04:27] <stvn> bob2: I did
[04:27] <Rico> the last version saw it fine
[04:27] <Gmail> hmm why coundnt there be a java installing package script like for flash in ubuntu
[04:27] <Rico> MSI 915P neo2
[04:27] <stvn> bob2: it seems to be running, it just won't conenct
[04:27] <bob2> Gmail: there can be, read the wiki
[04:27] <Gmail> the other way
[04:27] <Gmail> i did
[04:27] <bob2> Gmail: good.
[04:28] <Gmail> and it said to goto http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[04:28] <Gmail> but there is no script there
[04:28] <cef> Rico: seen a few reports of it lately . .. you said it worked before? on a daily or pre-release?
[04:28] <Gmail> * .deb script to d/l the java package and install it
[04:28] <Rico> pre release
[04:28] <Rico> 10/13 I believe
[04:29] <cef> hrm.. sounds like it's either not detecting the cdrom, or not detecting all the IDE stuff properly
[04:29] <Tzalidar> bash scripting is so cool :D
[04:30] <Tzalidar> i really should learn to use it more
[04:31] <cef> Rico: you could switch to the terminal and try loading the appropriate modules by hand
[04:31] <Rico> it is probbably the IDE because I have tried 3 other cd -rom drives with the same result
[04:31] <cef> Rico: not sure what they are though
[04:33] <Tzalidar> ill try to restart X and se if my xsession file is run
[04:35] <cef> well now I really should get to sleep
[04:35] <Erix> how can i change acpi settings?
[04:35] <cef> Erix: which settings?
[04:36] <xenonite> btw how can i go to suspend mode?
[04:36] <Erix> cef: i use a laptop and cpu works under full load all the time.
[04:37] <Erix> and fan works all the time
[04:38] <cef> Erix: ahh just the general stuff, nothing specific
[04:40] <Erix> Battery 1: charged, 100%
[04:40] <Erix> that is what acpi command gives
[04:40] <Gmail> i am updating hardware support
[04:40] <Gmail> anyone want to see if i am making any spellling mistakes?
[04:41] <Gmail> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fVideoCards
[04:43] <Gmail> my onbaord sound is not working and i now howto modconf it but modconf is not installed and i hear its broken so should i learn howto use modprobe
[04:44] <GotD0t> gmail: you mean you KNOW how to
[04:46] <nonebot> if ubuntu realeases every 6 months...that means that i will stay with gaim 0.98 for 6 months ?
[04:46] <Gmail> yea yea
[04:47] <Gmail> nonebot: ubuntu is using gaim 1.0.0
[04:47] <GotD0t> nonebot you can upgrade yourself if you wish
[04:47] <Gmail> nonebot: i will be backporting apps from hoary when its starts to wrty
[04:47] <GotD0t> and gmail is correct about 1.0.0
[04:47] <Gmail> and yahoo is half broken
[04:47] <nonebot> GotD0t, from the ubuntu repository, debian, or source ?
[04:49] <Gmail> nonebot: from ubuntu 4.10 final
[04:49] <Gmail> aka warty
[04:49] <cef> nite
[04:49] <Gmail> nonebot: apt-get update
[04:49] <Gmail> then
[04:49] <Gmail> apt-get upgrade
[04:49] <wsx> hi there!
[04:50] <xenonite> hi
[04:50] <xenonite> so there will be no new packages until hoary release?
[04:50] <GotD0t> nonebot: gmail, you don't know what you're talking about... i believe he wants to update to 1.0.2... which he can't through apt-get (afaik)
[04:50] <Gmail> nite cef btw is it you which still need to give my my CHOC?
[04:50] <brettcar> xenonite: You can set your repositories to use the hoary ones, but they will be unstable until hoary is released.
[04:51] <Smintt> hi
[04:51] <Gmail> GotD0t: i think he might be using a preview relest
[04:51] <nonebot> GotD0t, im fine for now with 1.0.0...but will i get 1.0.2 in the next weeks ?
[04:51] <Gmail> nonebot: yes
[04:51] <nonebot> Gmail, from the ubuntu repository ?
[04:51] <Gmail> nonebot: i will port it right from debian
[04:51] <xenonite> nonebot: i think you have to use the hoary repositories
[04:52] <wsx> I've got a problem with the ubuntu release version: my tft (19") doesn't show anything after the installation. Frequency out of range. It worked with the preview release. Any ideas how to solve this?
[04:52] <Gmail> nonebot: you'll have to add a new ubuntu warty COMPLATIBLE repsory
[04:52] <Smintt> some body has installed ubunto on a powerpc?  i'm update macos and they erase my yaboot, how can i  restore yaboot ?
[04:52] <Gmail> xenonite: i am backporting
[04:52] <Gmail> xenonite: but for now i am porting
[04:53] <xenonite> Gmail: so where is this repository?
[04:53] <Gmail> anyone one want to host a unoffical ubuntu-compatible responsory
[04:53] <brettcar> Gmail: You're going to run a Ubuntu backports site?
[04:53] <Gmail> xenonite: i will make it
[04:53] <Gmail> brettcar: yea
[04:53] <azeem> warty is outdated already?
[04:53] <brettcar> Gmail: Heh I would but I can't afford the bandwidth... I assume it'd eat up over 20 gigs a month.
[04:53] <Gmail> azeem: YES!
[04:54] <xenonite> lol
[04:54] <Gmail> brettcar: well donations
[04:54] <Gmail> azeem: even a new kernel is out
[04:54] <stvn> azeem: obviously, it does not contain any of the software created in the last 5 minutes
[04:55] <brettcar> Gmail: I'd be willing to help administer it and so on but I don't think I could front money for it at first. Plus it'd be hard to raise cash before it exists.
[04:55] <Gmail> stvn: it doesnt have software from even a few months back xchat 2.4 was out a few months back any ubuntu is still using 2.0.8
[04:55] <xenonite> will there be security fixes?
[04:55] <brettcar> xenonite: Yes
[04:55] <Gmail> xenonite: there is
[04:55] <xenonite> gmail xchat 2.4 is not for free
[04:55] <Gmail> xenonite: there are lot of fixes
[04:55] <Gmail> xenonite: yes it is
[04:56] <Gmail> xenonite: only not for winblows
[04:56] <runo> ed7caemu
[04:56] <Gmail> xenonite: it in sid in debian
[04:56] <Rico> cef I threw a SCSI drive in and it seems to be working now
[04:56] <Gmail> Rico: <cef> nite
[04:57] <stvn> Gmail: you can't have both the newest software and a stable distro, debian unstable/ubuntu hoarty are for those who want to run the latest and the greatest, but don't want to compile, warty is for those who want a decent and stable OS which doesn't change every day
[04:57] <Gmail> i know
[04:57] <Tzalidar> the xsession thing didn't work
[04:57] <Tzalidar> but i think i did iot the wrong way
[04:58] <Gmail> stvn: but some people dont like using gaim 1.0.0 when most protocols a re broken
[04:58] <Gmail> like hwo yahoo is half broken
[04:58] <GotD0t> gmail: yahoo is half broken because they messed with their protocol... trillian on windows doesn't work with yahoo either
[04:58] <xenonite> afk
[04:59] <Gmail> we all now that
[05:00] <Gmail> but when msn messenger come out with v 11 of there protocol and yahoo totaly brakes plus aol is broken then PEOPLE will complain that there are no updates
[05:00] <Gmail> i think even manbrake offer update in such cases
[05:01] <GotD0t> then use mandrake and stop complaining about ubuntu not having it... or compile it from the source
[05:01] <Gmail> I KILLED MANBRAKE
[05:02] <GotD0t> i wonder if mplayer ever wants to play
[05:02] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am not complaing i said other people do so that why i said i will open a backport repsonry
[05:02] <stvn> GotD0t: it used to play here, when it still had debian, but IIRC I compiled it myself and didn't use a package - so i'll try that again
[05:02] <wsx> Anybody any idea why my tft doesn't show anything with ubuntu RELEASE? It DID with the PREVIEW...
[05:03] <karto> newbie question... there is no "computer", "home" etc icons on my desktop (fresh install of 4.10) - how do I add them?
[05:03] <Tzalidar> they are in the "computer" panel
[05:03] <Tzalidar> on the gnome panel
[05:04] <Tzalidar> i find it very convenient that they are ther, because i rarely use my desktop
[05:04] <karto> yea... but Id like em on the desktop
[05:04] <Tzalidar> i have apps in front of it
[05:04] <Gmail> karto: FAQ
[05:04] <Gmail> READ THEM
[05:04] <Gmail> opps sorry
[05:04] <GotD0t> karto: it takes a bit of getting used to if you're switching from windows, but in the end its much better
[05:05] <Gmail> about stupid caps lock
[05:05] <karto> oh... sorry - i looked but mustve missed it
[05:05] <Gmail> karto: it tell you how to add them again
[05:05] <GotD0t> gmail: again?
[05:05] <Gmail> WTF why the hell is there ala-modules-kernel-2.4*?
[05:06] <Gmail> GotD0t: d/m
[05:06] <Gmail> s/ala/alsa
[05:06] <karto> thx Gmail
[05:06] <theine> Gmail: That's in universal i guess?
[05:08] <karto> btw - i disagree that putting them in the menu complements the spatial design ... but its practical nonetheless
[05:09] <theine> karto: Isn't it by default the same in Windows XP?
[05:09] <karto> yes
[05:09] <GotD0t> oh cool, my jameco catalog came in yesterday
[05:09] <karto> and i turn them on there as well ;)
[05:09] <Gmail> theine: there also a kernel-image-2.4* i guess i didnt look hard enuff
[05:11] <theine> There is no keyboard layout option to switch caps-lock and escape, is there?
[05:12] <GotD0t> caps-lock and escape?
[05:12] <theine> Yes, for us poor vi users :)
[05:12] <GotD0t> gotcha
[05:13] <stvn> theine: use a real editor :P
[05:13] <karto> btw ... props to the ubuntu crew - it seems like a really nice distro
[05:13] <Gmail> WTF there is update and that only need for version 2 kernel which support is already dropped for and there is no image for ubuntu or its sources even
[05:13] <theine> stvn: Let's not start an editor war, please...
[05:14] <stvn> theine: just joking ;)
[05:15] <theine> So is it possible to add custom keyboard layout options? I would prefer not to fiddle around with .inputrc
[05:15] <Kamion> theine: you can poke around in /etc/X11/xkb/ ... expect some hard work
[05:16] <theine> Kamion: well that sounds even worse
[05:16] <stvn> theine: isn't the caps lock a special key with 'memory' or is that 'memory' only in the computer?
[05:17] <Kamion> stvn: depends on the architecture
[05:17] <Kamion> on i386 you can swap caps lock and control; there's an XKB option for it that you can set in XF86Config-4
[05:17] <theine> stvn: it's certainly possible to have caps-lock as another control-key in gnome
[05:17] <theine> for all you emacs-users...
[05:17] <Kamion> on powerpc apparently part of the caps lock implementation lives in the kernel and isn't so easily changed
[05:17] <stvn> poor theine ;)
[05:18] <stvn> ah ok
[05:18] <Kamion> I imagine that something along the lines of /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ctrl but for Escape could be used to implement a similar XKB option for what theine's looking for
[05:19] <HomoAcridien> hello
[05:19] <HomoAcridien> Lathiat: Hi
[05:20] <theine> I used to do it with .inputrc, but that seems to be gracefully ignored by gnome
[05:22] <HomoAcridien> ubuntu rocks
[05:23] <GotD0t> amen
[05:23] <GotD0t> ;-)
[05:23] <HomoAcridien> GotD0t: amen ?
[05:23] <GotD0t> homoacridien: yea
[05:25] <WW> GotD0t: I did some wiki mucking.  Take a look at the link in question 18: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:25] <maxxis> alguien m puede ayudar soy principiante...
[05:25] <WW> If anything is wrong (or just plain stupid), please fix!
[05:26] <nonebot> maxxis, que necesitas
[05:26] <GotD0t> WW: looks good
[05:29] <HomoAcridien> Gnome 2.8 has disabled classic filesystem browsing ?
[05:29] <azeem> HomoAcridien: Gnome 2.6 did
[05:29] <stvn> HomoAcridien: nope, right mouse button over a folder and select browse folder
[05:30] <stvn> HomoAcridien: or if you prefer it as default flip the correct switch in gconf
[05:30] <GotD0t> stvn: wheres gconf?
[05:30] <DoppleGanger> on your hd
[05:30] <WW> HomoAcridien: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0184507726
[05:30] <azeem> stvn: you can configure that in the nautilus preferences
[05:31] <stvn> GotD0t: application>>system Tools>>Configuration Editor
[05:31] <HomoAcridien> azeem: tx
[05:31] <GotD0t> doppleganger: gee thanks, i would have assumed that it would be on my flash drive
[05:31] <stvn> azeem: heh, didn't notice it
[05:31] <azeem> GotD0t: Computer->Desktop Preferences->File Management->Behaviour
[05:32] <GotD0t> thanks azeem
[05:32] <WW> So there are (at least) _three_ places you can change the behavior.  :)
[05:33] <azeem> WW: hmm?
[05:33] <GotD0t> azeem's was the easiest if you dont know what you're doing
[05:33] <azeem> it's the same place, it's just two frontends
[05:33] <WW> Right, that's the one in the FAQ.
[05:33] <azeem> one specific GUI, and the gconf
[05:33] <HomoAcridien> oki all
[05:33] <WW> azeem: That's what I mean by three places.
[05:34] <stvn> azeem: and the manual aditing of the gconf-settings, gconf /is/ a GUI
[05:34] <DoppleGanger> gui editing wtf
[05:34] <azeem> DoppleGanger: eh?
[05:34] <WW> You can also change it in Nautilus: Edit->Preferences->Behavior
[05:35] <azeem> DoppleGanger: Debian even backported that 'Always open in Browser' option to GNOME 2.6
[05:35] <azeem> WW: that's the same capplet
[05:35] <Gmail> there is like 10,000 apps in universe
[05:35] <GotD0t> there are*
[05:35] <WW> azeem: Right, I got it.
[05:35] <HomoAcridien> DoppleGanger: DoppleGanger I knew
[05:36] <HomoAcridien> DoppleGanger: I don't know debian 
[05:36] <HomoAcridien> DoppleGanger: anyway
[05:36] <HomoAcridien> DoppleGanger: I come from Fedora Core
[05:36] <devscott> avi and mpeg files support, what do I need to download?
[05:37] <mainlylinux> can anyone tell me if this is the correct channel for development?
[05:37] <azeem> mainlylinux: ask your question
[05:38] <GotD0t> i love it *mainly*linux
[05:38] <mainlylinux> can we set ntpdate to start and then go into the background?  Can we move S99gdm up much further in the boot process?
[05:38] <mainlylinux> I've done both of those on my box, and it makes it appear that the box booted much faster
[05:38] <DoppleGanger> wow
[05:39] <DoppleGanger> your smart
[05:39] <azeem> mainlylinux: the second has been suggested recently
[05:39] <mainlylinux> how about the ntpdate?  that stalls my box for 15 seconds or so
[05:39] <DoppleGanger> 1: no ntpdate no quering internet server which could be slow due to traffic
[05:39] <stvn> mainlylinux: you might want to join #ubuntu-devel ;)
[05:39] <mainlylinux> thanks
[05:39] <stvn> np
[05:39] <DoppleGanger> 2. gdm, um obviously x logon screens are worthless
[05:40] <helix> why?
[05:40] <DoppleGanger> bloatware garbage
[05:40] <helix> that's not a very good explanation :)
[05:41] <helix> but continue your trolling if you please :)
[05:41] <DoppleGanger> eats resources
[05:41] <DoppleGanger> gnome = resource hog
[05:41] <mainlylinux> gnome runs very well on my box
[05:41] <mainlylinux> amd 1800xp
[05:42] <mainlylinux> so does kde for that mattert
[05:42] <stvn> amd 400, works as a bee :)
[05:43] <azeem> DoppleGanger: your box is just not worthy of ubuntu
[05:43] <stvn> lol
[05:43] <GotD0t> azeem: so it seems
[05:43] <ufo-> woo
[05:43] <ufo-> didnt expect so much people here
[05:43] <ufo-> :)
[05:43] <DoppleGanger> ha ha ok noob
[05:43] <DoppleGanger> i wouldn't want it on my box
[05:44] <GotD0t> then what are you doing sitting in an ubuntu channel?
[05:44] <helix> DoppleGanger: so you *are* just here to troll? sad, that.
[05:44] <tedbundyjr> hi people. 
[05:44] <GotD0t> hey ted
[05:44] <GotD0t> hows your father?
[05:44] <DoppleGanger> i call it laughing my ask off at stupid questions
[05:45] <DoppleGanger> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/migration/unix/unix2win.mspx
[05:45] <stvn> i'd be happy without an ask on my body
[05:45] <ygnome> DoppleGanger: could you just leave or something please?
[05:45] <DoppleGanger> you guys should um follow that guide
[05:45] <tedbundyjr> rest in peace.
[05:46] <GotD0t> heh
[05:46] <tedbundyjr> looking for a suitable php editor/ide for ubuntu
[05:46] <tedbundyjr> any recommendations?
[05:46] <joolz> ygnome: don't feed him
[05:46] <DoppleGanger> see you guys in #debian when you um learn something, from looks of things that will be in 100 years
[05:46] <ttaranto> dgiagio, oi
[05:47] <dgiagio> wee
[05:47] <stvn> peace
[05:47] <ygnome> joolz: see. :)
[05:47] <joolz> ygnome: yeah :)
[05:47] <stvn> heh
[05:47] <GotD0t> haha
[05:47] <azeem> go Erinn!
[05:47] <ufo-> trools, so early ?
[05:47] <brettcar> wow
[05:47] <helix> we don't tolerate trolling of other distro channels
[05:47] <ufo-> meant, trolls
[05:47] <brettcar> who let the troll in?
[05:48] <stvn> :)
[05:48] <vrln> ufo-: it's a sign ubuntu is becoming popular :P
[05:48] <helix> hmph, I warned him and he left
[05:48] <brettcar> lol
[05:48] <ufo-> :))
[05:48] <ufo-> vrln, agree
[05:48] <ufo-> :)
[05:48] <nonebot> tedbundyjr, i use Bluefish, or Screem
[05:48] <helix> 11:47 -!- DoppleGanger [~LordAngel@pool-151-198-118-56.nwrk.east.verizon.net]  has left #debian ["ubuntu sucks bite me"] 
[05:48] <helix> oh well :)
[05:49] <brettcar> WW: Uhm, why is NetworkPrintingFromWin2K immutable?
[05:49] <brettcar> WW: I was going to add a better way to do it?
[05:49] <WW> brettcar: You have to log in.
[05:50] <brettcar> WW: Where's the login page again? :P
[05:50] <Kamion> brettcar: link at the top right, UserPreferences
[05:50] <WW> brettcar: Also, see question 1 of the wiki FAQ. 
[05:51] <brettcar> Heh
[05:51] <brettcar> Ok
[05:51] <WW> brettcar: Drop a line back here when you make the change, I'd like to see what you recommend.
[05:52] <brettcar> Ok
[05:52] <WW> tedbundyjr, nonebot: I tried screem, but it crashed a couple times.
[05:52] <brettcar> hm
[05:52] <brettcar> 
[05:52] <brettcar> TypeErroriteration over non-sequence
[05:52] <brettcar> when searching for 'faq'
[05:52] <brettcar> on the wiki
[05:52] <brettcar> from the search titles input box
[05:53] <brettcar> along with a huge backtrace
[05:53] <WW> brettcar: It's http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:53] <brettcar> Yeah, but should I report the problem?
[05:53] <WW> brettcar: ... but that doesn't sound too good (my profound technical analyis there)
[05:53] <WW> analysis*
[05:54] <brettcar> Actually now that I think about it
[05:54] <tedbundyjr> nonebot,ww: i tried bluefish. sometime it crash
[05:54] <brettcar> I don't have any Win2k systems to test this with
[05:54] <tedbundyjr> trying kdevelop
[05:54] <brettcar> WW: Wow the search by title feature is completely broken...
[05:55] <tedbundyjr> tried komodo before but it's quite 'heavy'
[05:55] <WW> brettcar: Never tried it.  Fire up bugzilla and let the ubuntu folks know!
[05:55] <brettcar> WW: Okay, can you test my CUPS method?
[05:56] <WW> brettcar: Sure.
[05:56] <brettcar> WW: Actually never mind, it is listed in the FAQ!
[05:56] <brettcar> WW: Question #18
[05:56] <brettcar> But there is another step to make it even better
[05:56] <GotD0t> brettcar: oh?
[05:57] <brettcar> WW: Find the line in cupsd.conf that looks like this
[05:57] <GotD0t> brettcar: please do share
[05:57] <brettcar> #BrowseAddress @LOCAL
[05:57] <brettcar> uncomment it
[05:57] <brettcar> and restart CUPS
[05:57] <GotD0t> which accomplishes what?
[05:57] <brettcar> Make sure you follow the instructions in faq #18
[05:57] <brettcar> It'll tell CUPS to send broadcasts that a printer is available
[05:57] <brettcar> and modern OSes can pick up on it and auto-add your printer, like how Samba does it
[05:58] <GotD0t> brettcar: oh thats cool
[05:58] <WW> brettcar: But will Win2K use that?
[05:58] <brettcar> I know Mac OS X picks up on it automatically (though it uses cups) and it seems that more recent Win2k versions should
[05:58] <GotD0t> WWL: it should
[05:58] <brettcar> WW: I don't know, but you should find out for me :)
[05:58] <WW> brettcar: I was experimenting with Browsing a week or so ago, but I think I commented it again.
[05:59] <brettcar> WW: Oh you might have to have Browsing On, uncommented as well
[05:59] <brettcar> I do, but I'm not sure how the default is
[05:59] <WW> brettcar: I think Browsing in on by default?
[05:59] <WW> s/in/is/
[06:00] <brettcar> WW: I'm not sure, mine is uncommented at least.
[06:00] <WW> brettcar: Default or not, you are saying cupsd.conf should have:
[06:00] <WW> Browsing on
[06:00] <WW> and
[06:01] <WW> BrowseAddres @LOCAL
[06:01] <WW> brettcar: correct?
[06:01] <brettcar> Yes
[06:01] <WW> brettcar: Then what should happen in Win2K?
[06:01] <brettcar> WW: Well, restart cups and wait about 60 seconds for it to send the first broadcast
[06:02] <brettcar> WW: Now in Win2k check whatever it uses to configure shared printers or wherever it lists them
[06:02] <brettcar> And you might see your CUPS printer as a shared printer...
[06:02] <brettcar> My guess is Microsoft has decided only to listen for Samba shared printers and not CUPS though....
[06:03] <WW> brettcar: I'll give it shot.
[06:04] <GotD0t> brettcar: i tried the samba route and it found the printer and everything... but when i tried printing it gave me an error
[06:04] <brettcar> GotD0t: What error?
[06:04] <Gmail> WOW UBUNTU is #3 on distrowatch
[06:04] <Gmail> in 1 months mode
[06:04] <brettcar> Yeah thats because we're the best :)
[06:04] <GotD0t> brettcar: a call error, some sort of call wasn't made
[06:04] <brettcar> It's kind of surprising though, because I always thought most people would want KDE
[06:04] <helix> brettcar: I don't think 3 is equal to 1
[06:05] <Gmail> brettcar: no debian is the best and ubuntu is the best bread od debian
[06:05] <brettcar> helix: Adjusted for the amount of time we've been on the list ;)
[06:05] <GotD0t> brettcar: don't remember as it was late, and i didnt push it because WW said he had gotten his working
[06:05] <brettcar> My guess is Ubuntu's downloads/time is greater than #1distro/time
[06:05] <Gmail> helix: fedora has been around for how many years?
[06:05] <brettcar> GotD0t: Oh well then :/
[06:05] <Gmail> helix: fedora's hit will be higher as it had been getting hits for longer
[06:06] <helix> Gmail: ok, I had no idea who was #1, I was just saying that 3 != 1
[06:07] <brettcar> helix: But its fun to lie with statistics :)
[06:07] <brettcar> s/its/it's
[06:07] <GotD0t> helix: it all depends on who you talk to... I'm sure there is some quack out there that insists that in some twisted reality that 3 == 1
[06:07] <brettcar> GotD0t: Well it does
[06:07] <GotD0t-food> ill be back
[06:08] <Gmail> ubuntu hasnt even been registerd on distrowatch for 6months and the total hit devided by 183 = 196 and how long has ubuntu been registered with distrowatch?
[06:08] <dgiagio> is there a way to add mp3 support to gstreamer?
[06:08] <brettcar> Gmail: Well the official release has been out for what, a week?
[06:08] <paulproteus> dgiagio: It's on the Wiki.
[06:08] <Gmail> ubuntu is going very good
[06:08] <dgiagio> paulproteus, thanks
[06:08] <brettcar> paulproteus: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:08] <Gmail> brettcar: even less
[06:08] <WW> Hey CLI gurus, what a quick command to show the lines in a file that don't begin with # ?
[06:09] <brettcar> WW: That do or don't begin with #?
[06:09] <WW> brettcar: don't
[06:09] <Hawkwind> Are there such things as apt-get mirrors for Ubuntu like there are for Mandrake and their urpmi installer ?
[06:09] <Gmail> ok everyone here goto http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu a refresh a few times and anyone with unlimmited bw get a extention to firefox called auto-refresh and set it to 5 seconds
[06:09] <brettcar> WW: grep {0}^# ./file
[06:09] <brettcar> WW: Maybe.
[06:09] <Gmail> and we will be number one in no time
[06:10] <helix> Gmail: wtf
[06:10] <WW> Gmail: Oh yeah, that's real important.
[06:10] <Gmail> lol
[06:10] <Gmail> Hawkwind: yes
[06:10] <SavuZiil> why doesn't ubuntu-s laptop battery indicator work with hp omnibook4150b
[06:10] <dewey> hi hawkwind
[06:10] <Gmail> Hawkwind: wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[06:10] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Is there a site similar to the Easy Urpmi site ?
[06:11] <Gmail> Hawkwind: wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[06:11] <SavuZiil> any help what to do to get it working would be welcome
[06:12] <Gmail> WOW manbrake has gone down from 1700 hits per day to 1558 in 1 month mode
[06:12] <brettcar> WW: I got it
[06:12] <brettcar> WW: grep ^[^#]  /path/to/files/to/check
[06:12] <brettcar> WW: That'll do it
[06:12] <brettcar> afk now
[06:13] <SavuZiil> anyone got experience wiht ubuntu on laptops?
[06:13] <Gmail> with ubuntu becoming the #1 distro there will be more .deb packages for apps like the one i need to install for my modem to test it signal
[06:13] <WW> brettcar: Thanks, that worked.
[06:13] <GotD0t> yum, bagel
[06:14] <xenonite> hi, i got a cpu-usage near 100% but top doesn't list the process... how can i find it?
[06:15] <Gmail> anyone bet ubuntu will become the desktop/laptop/... version of debian and debian will be a server version of debian?
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[06:15] <WW> brettcar: I'm getting "cupsd: Child exited with status 13! " when I restart cups.
[06:15] <helix> hmph. spammed.
[06:15] <WW> Gmail: See why being #1 is overrated?
[06:16] <Tzalidar> :)
[06:16] <Gmail> bob2: see why we need a bot?
[06:16] <vrln> has the hoary devel tree been opened yet?
[06:16] <SavuZiil> neway, can anyone help me with this problem, the power meter (battery indicator) not working on ubuntu
[06:17] <brettcar> WW: Cupsd is already running
[06:17] <brettcar> WW: You forgot to stop it as root
[06:17] <Gmail> yuran: yes but its emty
[06:17] <Gmail> yuran: there is a meating tomz to comfrem its path
[06:18] <xenonite> can someone help me with this invisible cpu-eating process?
[06:19] <SavuZiil> damn, im going back to win, at least everything worked there (sure was buggy, but still worked)
[06:20] <brettcar> SavuZiil: Have fun ;)
[06:20] <WW> brettcar: OK, I'll try sudo... but to the right of the error 13, it said "[ok] "!    That's a somewhat ambiguous error message! :)
[06:20] <cool_bananas> lol and I came here to be converted to ubuntu from win!
[06:20] <GotD0t> wow
[06:20] <brettcar> WW: Hehe, the OK was from the init.d script
[06:20] <brettcar> WW: Which apparently doesn't know how not to suck 
[06:20] <GotD0t> cool_bananas some people just have no taste
[06:21] <xenonite> hi, i got a cpu-usage near 100% but top doesn't list this cpu-eating process... how can i find and kill it?
[06:21] <brettcar> WW: But yeah... sudo killall cupsd && sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[06:21] <paulproteus> That wasn't very nice of us to savuziil.
[06:21] <cool_bananas> ;-) true...you should see my curtains
[06:21] <brettcar> xenonite: Whats the output of 'ps auxww'
[06:21] <paulproteus> xenonite: Try 'sudo top'.
[06:21] <brettcar> xenonite: And don't paste it in here :P
[06:22] <paulproteus> xenonite: It's possible the process listing will behave differently when it runs as the super-user.
[06:22] <Gmail> in the past month there has been 972 hit per day on distrowatch and before the final was out it was somewhere in the 300, in 1 month mode ubuntu is #1 we just have to wait a month from when the final came out to see its real numbers
[06:22] <WW> brettcar: Well, I did 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart', and didn't get the error message.
[06:22] <brettcar> WW: oh sorry, /etc/init.d/cupsys start, not cupsd
[06:22] <brettcar> WW: Then you should be okay
[06:22] <xenonite> okay sudo top doesnt change a thing
[06:22] <benerb> has anyone experienced any problems with a dell truemobile (orinoco_cs) wireless card and ubuntu?
[06:23] <paulproteus> benerb: orinoco_cs should work great.
[06:23] <brettcar> xenonite: Type /exec -o uptime
[06:23] <benerb> i agree, it should
[06:23] <cool_bananas> how do you know if your wireless card will work with ubuntu?
[06:23] <benerb> i seems to when i do not use WEP
[06:23] <WW> benerb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fWirelessNetworkCards
[06:23] <xenonite>  18:23:54 up  7:31,  4 users,  load average: 1.41, 1.73, 1.87
[06:24] <brettcar> xenonite: Hmm
[06:24] <cool_bananas> ooh magic, they think of everything :-) cheers
[06:24] <benerb> but if i am trying to connect to my AP it does not...it connects fine to my neighbors
[06:24] <xenonite> brettcar: and ps shows nothing with more than 4% cpu usage
[06:24] <benerb> and it has always worked under FC2/3
[06:25] <xenonite> i believe it is the rythmbox still completing the library, but i already killed it (with xkill)
[06:25] <paulproteus> xenonite: The load average is a very complicated (read: black magic) formula that takes disk load into account, too.
[06:25] <xenonite> hehe :)
[06:25] <brettcar> xenonite: What is the output of:  ps aux --sort %cpu  | head
[06:25] <paulproteus> So if a program is doing a lot of hard disk reading and writing with only 4% CPU usage, you could see a load average like that.
[06:25] <brettcar> paulproteus: Maybe he doesn't have DMA?
[06:26] <xenonite> brettcar: cool command, but still the same result: 4% cpu for X and no process with a higher value
[06:26] <paulproteus> brettcar: That might do it.  Or it's just a WHOLE LOT of disk I/O ;-)
[06:26] <xenonite> :) no the id-led is not flashing
[06:27] <brettcar> hmm
[06:27] <brettcar> Stumped me
[06:27] <WW> brettcar: OK, now do you have any hints of what I should do in Win2K to test your idea?
[06:27] <xenonite> ide-led is still off
[06:28] <brettcar> WW: It should just automagically appear in your printer list like a Samba printer would
[06:28] <brettcar> WW: Or it just didn't work :/
[06:29] <paulproteus> xenonite: "Don't worry about it"?
[06:29] <WW> brettcar: Hasn't happened yet...
[06:29] <xenonite> hmm
[06:29] <xenonite> btw, top lists 0 zombies
[06:30] <GotD0t> brettcar: using samba doesnt automatically make the printer show up in your lists
[06:30] <brettcar> GotD0t: Oh come on, Windows has to do *something* right...
[06:30] <DanC> if I installed from a pre-release, is there anything in the 20 Oct warty release that I won't get with apt-get update?
[06:30] <GotD0t> brettcar: using samba makes you're machine show up in your network
[06:31] <brettcar> DanC: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[06:31] <GotD0t> brettcar: and from there you have to add the printer to your list of available printers
[06:31] <brettcar> GotD0t: Then I guess the previous method is the only way without Samba
[06:32] <xenonite> paulproteus, brettcar: so... last way would be a restart...
[06:32] <DanC> tx, brettcar
[06:33] <brettcar> xenonite: I guess, I'm not sure what else to try
[06:33] <brettcar> DanC: No problem
[06:33] <Gmail> anyone want to request some apps to be ported from debian? like: xchat 2.4, gaim latest, firefox 0.10.1
[06:34] <brettcar> Gmail: I'd do it myself
[06:34] <nonebot> is "unrar" in the package repository ? i cant seem to find it..
[06:34] <brettcar> Gmail: Those aren't particularly hard to port.
[06:34] <brettcar> Gmail: And I'm sure they will turn up in Hoary
[06:34] <Gmail> brettcar: i mean for now
[06:34] <WW> brettcar: No luck here, but maybe something else is not configured correctly, either in Win2K or Ubuntu.
[06:35] <paulproteus> "I've learned to stop worrying about having the latest software and just relax knowing I have good software for now."
[06:35] <azeem> Gmail: warty is released, they won't include new versions of packages
[06:35] <brettcar> nonebot: Please see FAQ question #9
[06:35] <deFrysk> Gmail, mine works fine thnks
[06:35] <GotD0t> WW: i believe your situation comes under the heading of "dont fix it if it aint broke"
[06:35] <Gmail> brettcar: and they are the newer version of some apps i want
[06:35] <brettcar> WW: My guess is it just doesn't work for Windows and only for other CUPS installations
[06:35] <WW> brettcar: For now, I'll leave it as it was.
[06:35] <Gmail> azeem: when did i say i want to add them to warty SHESSS
[06:36] <Gmail> deFrysk: you ported them already?
[06:36] <azeem> Gmail: they will definetely be updated for hoary, so I figured you meant warty
[06:36] <deFrysk> Gmail, dont need them
[06:37] <WW> brettcar, GotD0t: I wouldn't make any broad generalizations though.  This is probably an "old" Win2K, and I'm pretty clueless about it.
[06:37] <deFrysk> and hoary branche will start in a few weeks afaik
[06:37] <brettcar> WW: Nah, I'm convinced that it only works with CUPS installations now
[06:38] <GotD0t> WW, what do you mean old win2k?
[06:38] <Gmail> i need the latest version of some apps they have bug fixes i want/need
[06:38] <DanC> hmm... I tried a warty live CD a while ago and it didn't work. I see warty-rc2-live-i386.iso 22-Oct-2004. Does anybody know if that works?
[06:38] <brettcar> Gmail: Then go and compile and install them already
[06:38] <brettcar> Gmail: No one is going to do it for you unless you wait for Hoary!
[06:38] <dewey> DanC: I have no idea let us know if it works.
[06:39] <Gmail> brettcar: i said i am doing them
[06:39] <nonebot> brettcar, thanks, worked fine.
[06:39] <brettcar> nonebot: No problem
[06:39] <Gmail> i said it anyone else want me to port some apps for them
[06:39] <brettcar> Gmail: Set up a repository and post it to ubuntu-users@lists
[06:39] <WW> GotD0t: Didn't brettcar say something about older win2k?  Anyway, you can probably ignore that comment.  Like I said, I'm pretty clueless about configuring win2k.
[06:40] <GotD0t> WW: why do you have a Win2k laptop anyways?
[06:40] <Gmail> brettcar: dont you understand, i am asking while i am port, if any one *here* want some other app to the one i am already porting, ported
[06:41] <DanC> lots more bittorrent peers on warty-rc2-live (282kb/sec) than warty-release-install (56kB/sec). 
[06:42] <nonebot> Whats a "multiverse"
[06:42] <brettcar> nonebot: The word or the section of the Ubuntu repository?
[06:42] <azeem> nonebot: non-free universe
[06:42] <WW> GotD0t: It's not really mine, I got it from the school where I work.  They only support windows and macs.  Actually it is dual boot; I installed Libranet on it back in March.
[06:43] <GotD0t> WW: oh ok... you should have asked for an ibook
[06:43] <WW> nonebot: Check the ubuntu faq; there is a question there about multiverse.
[06:43] <WW> GotD0t: Next time...
[06:43] <GotD0t> WW; heh
[06:43] <Gmail> so no one want any app ported over?
[06:44] <brettcar> thing about the iBook is it has not PCMCIA slot
[06:44] <brettcar> s/not/no
[06:44] <nonebot> thanks
[06:44] <Gmail> so i am working on port gaim, xchat, firefox 0.10.1 .....
[06:44] <GotD0t> really?
[06:44] <brettcar> and only Airport Extreme now, for which there is no driver
[06:44] <brettcar> so the best choice would have to be a powerbook with a PCMCIA
[06:45] <DanC> hmm... is the "ubuntu traffic" not an official newsletter? I don't see a straightforward path from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[06:45] <WW> brettcar, GotD0t: After lugging the Dell around for a couple years, my top priority for a new laptop is very low weight.
[06:45] <brettcar> DanC: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/
[06:45] <brettcar> "Ubuntu Traffic is created and produced by Canonical Ltd. All pages are copyright Canonical."
[06:45] <brettcar> So thats about as official as it gets.
[06:45] <xenonite> Gmail: if you can do so with monodevelop...
[06:46] <DanC> yes, I know how to find ubuntu-traffic; what I don't know is whether it's endorsed by the ubuntu project or just done unilaterally
[06:46] <rt> jackd maybe?
[06:46] <Kamion> DanC: yes, it's written by a Canonical employee on work time
[06:47] <brettcar> DanC: Well it says it is produced by Canonical, so thats as legitimate as it can get
[06:47] <brettcar> rt: sudo lsof /dev/dsp
[06:47] <DanC> it would look more legitimate if it were linked from, say, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/
[06:47] <Kamion> DanC: probably should be, mail mako@canonical.com
[06:47] <DanC> ok, will do.
[06:48] <Gmail> xenonite: but them i'll need hosting
[06:48] <brettcar> DanC: I already told him thatr ;)
[06:48] <brettcar> that*
[06:48] <Gmail> xenonite: mind to host it?
[06:48] <DanC> so... mailing mako is redundant? or still helpful?
[06:49] <DanC> ah... "that" = lsof.
[06:49] <rt> sigh.
[06:49] <brettcar> Sorry :P
[06:49] <rt> 
[06:49] <rt> 
[06:49] <xenonite> Gmail: sorry...
[06:49] <rt> hmmm
[06:50] <Gmail> any one know where i can get free hosting or mind to host it
[06:50] <DanC> ubuntu-traffic is a weekly thing, no? the latest seems to be 2004/10/08. I guess he got busy with the release.
[06:50] <Gmail> i wound as long as no one minds a max speed of 8KB/s
[06:51] <sparkes> DanC, I think it was the human theme traffic taking all the time
[06:51] <Kamion> DanC: yes, he got snowed under, he's catching up
[06:52] <Micksa> who's 'he'?
[06:52] <Kamion> DanC: mako is also responsible for shipit.ubuntulinux.org, which is obviously closely tied to the release
[06:52] <DanC> yup
[06:52] <Kamion> Micksa: see recent scrollback
[06:54] <Gmail> will ubuntuforums.org fwd to the offical forums when they come out?
[06:55] <Kamion> Gmail: you'd have to ask the person who owns ubuntuforums.org. It would be a good thing if it did, but it's not up to us.
[06:55] <LinuxJones> XWindows seems to be ignoring Option "Emulate3Button" "no" for some reason ?
[06:56] <Gmail> Kamion: maybe request him to also give you the forums database and you pay for the domain ...?
[06:56] <Gmail> *not as a demand
[06:56] <benerb> if you are running ubuntu installed from the PR and apt-get upgrade, is it the same as the new CD that has been released (is there any real reason to get the new CD)?
[06:56] <DanC> who="Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?=" I implemented the RFC for that format in python... http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/msgHeaderExt.py
[06:57] <DanC> (looking at the xml source of ubuntu-traffic)
[06:57] <LinuxJones> benerb, the upgrade is all you need
[06:57] <benerb> cool...that is what i am running, but wanted to make sure - thanks!
[06:57] <Gmail> Kamion: i belive ubuntugeekown the domain and site
[06:57] <Gmail> Kamion: i belive ubuntugeek own's the domain and site
[06:58] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:58] <Kirsch> hey guys, i have a friend who's about to install Ubuntu, he wants to dual boot linux and windows, is this easy with the default steps of ubuntu?
[06:58] <rt> thusfar my ubuntu experience hasn't been especially pleasant.
[06:58] <Kirsch> will it detect windows and add a bootloader option?
[06:58] <azeem> Kirsch: it did here
[06:58] <WW> benerd: There are some very minor differences, described on a web page somewhere...
[06:58] <WW> *benerb
[06:59] <GotD0t> kirsch its very easy
[06:59] <Kirsch> azeem: u isntalled WIndows and then had just install Ubuntu and it detected it?
[06:59] <Kirsch> ok
[06:59] <Kirsch> I use Ubuntu on my laptop and it works great
[06:59] <Gmail> the amount of people in this channel incress day by day, by quite a bit
[06:59] <Kirsch> my friend is installing it, he's a newb.
[06:59] <benerb> WW, basically just that it will have to download more updates and the logo stuff?
[06:59] <Kirsch> so i just wnat to make srue he shouldn't run into issues.
[06:59] <GotD0t> Kirsch: he shouldn't have any problems
[06:59] <Kirsch> ok thanks
[07:00] <Kirsch> Ubuntu Rules
[07:00] <benerb> WW, i will probably get it eventually, but  for the time being I am happy with what I have
[07:00] <WW> benerb: Here it is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[07:00] <Kamion> Gmail: like I say, entirely up to him.
[07:00] <benerb> WW, thanks!
[07:02] <benerb> anyone use ESD for playing music remotely?  I am using it now but looking at other options like NAS and JACK - any suggestions?
[07:07] <jgeorgeson> pcmcia isn't starting on boot anymore, even though it is set to start at 02 in runlevels 3, 4, and 5. I can't find any mention of pcmcia in /var/log/(dmesg|syslog|messages) to find out why. After the laptop has booted I can run `sudo invoke-rc.d pcmcia start` and it starts just fine
[07:08] <Kamion> jgeorgeson: default runlevel is 2, you didn't mention that one
[07:09] <jgeorgeson> Kamion: 2 is default? for a gdm login?
[07:09] <Kamion> yes, 2 is default
[07:09] <Kamion> the 3 vs. 5 for non-X vs. X thing is a Red Hat-ism
[07:10] <Kamion> Debian and its derivatives have always set the default runlevel to 2, left 2, 3, 4, and 5 identical by default, and allowed sysadmins to customise the runlevels if they want something finer-grained
[07:11] <Kamion> reserving a runlevel for X is a pretty strange distinction these days, really; there are plenty more important things I could use them for, like "no, silly laptop, you're only going to be running for half an hour on the train, don't start up everything"
[07:11] <jgeorgeson> neat, added it to 2, will see next time i reboot
[07:11] <jgeorgeson> how do you specify runlevel at the grub menu?
[07:12] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, it's in /etc/inittab
[07:13] <jgeorgeson> right, i meant if I wanted to boot a different runlevel than the default set in inittab could I specify that at the grub menu (like adding s to the kernel line to boot single-user)?
[07:13] <Kamion> jgeorgeson: just add the runlevel to the kernel command line
[07:13] <brettcar> jgeorgeson: Add the #
[07:13] <jgeorgeson> cool
[07:13] <Kamion>                 } else if (strchr("0123456789sS", argv[f] [0] )
[07:13] <Kamion>                         && strlen(argv[f] ) == 1)
[07:13] <Kamion>                         dfl_level = argv[f] [0] ;
[07:14] <carlos> DanC: ?
[07:14] <carlos> DanC: I'm Carlos Perello
[07:15] <carlos> DanC: you said my name some minutes ago, not sure if you want anything from me
[07:15] <DanC> ah... aka Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?=" />
[07:15] <carlos> right
[07:15] <carlos> :-)
[07:15] <DanC> I was noticing that your name got mangled; I mailed mako with some code that could fix that.
[07:16] <jgeorgeson> thanks for the tips
[07:16] <carlos> DanC: perfect, thanks :-)
[07:16] <|progenic|> excuse me
[07:16] <|progenic|> how to install java sdk ?
[07:16] <|progenic|> y is it always stated not installable
[07:17] <Kamion> |progenic|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[07:17] <brettcar> |progenic|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[07:17] <brettcar> We do need a bot that responds to basic questions
[07:17] <brettcar> and links to the wiki
[07:17] <brettcar> like
[07:17] <brettcar> UbuntuBot, Java?
[07:17] <brettcar> UbuntuBot gives the link to it...
[07:17] <psyklops> I have trouble with flash, has anyone else had problems with sound momentarily freezing an animation?
[07:18] <brettcar> LinuxJones: Something like that
[07:18] <LinuxJones> brettcar, ya it's awesome
[07:18] <psyklops> I can't be the only one that has had this problem
[07:21] <brettcar> LinuxJones: Is the source available?
[07:21] <psyklops> (I'm beginning to think I am...)
[07:25] <LinuxJones> brettcar, I would imagine the scripts are available somewhere
[07:25] <Gmail> hmm ubuntuart.org
[07:26] <Gmail> hmm ubuntu-art.org
[07:26] <brettcar> LinuxJones: If you find them I might be willing to host it...
[07:26] <Gmail> looks cool people want to add stuff i want to use it and not be only the 3rd user on the site
[07:27] <tseng> the gdm theme is pretty ok
[07:30] <devscott> anyone have a source for the eclipse packages?
[07:31] <Matt|> evening all
[07:31] <devscott> morning
[07:31] <Matt|> morning :)
[07:31] <Gmail> morning
[07:31] <Matt|> anyone use a d-link DWL 650+ wireless PCMCIA card with ubuntu
[07:31] <Gmail> well 3:31am
[07:31] <Matt|> ?
[07:33] <DanC> hmm... nautilus doesn't seem to have a "paste link" option.
[07:33] <WW> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fWirelessNetworkCards
[07:34] <Matt|> WW, thanks but that is not the one
[07:34] <Matt|> dlink have very confusing names
[07:34] <Matt|> the 650+ uses a totally different chipset entirely
[07:35] <WW> Matt|: Hmmm... that's annoying.
[07:35] <Matt|> WW, yeah
[07:35] <Matt|> WW, but there is a good howto on it, only that I get an error i can't get past
[07:36] <Matt|> i've mailed the wiki author ;)
[07:37] <Matt|> i haven't been in this channel before, just tried ubuntu for the first time today
[07:37] <Matt|> it's pretty nice
[07:38] <Matt|> oh awesome he has replied already
[07:38] <Matt|> bbl
[07:39] <WW> Matt|: Good luck!
[07:39] <Matt|> ty
[07:40] <gruberman> Anyone got realplayer working with nfl fieldpass?
[07:43] <jvs> good evening
[07:45] <paulproteus> Good evening, jvs.
[07:45] <jvs> well, I'll give it one more try this evening :)
[07:49] <adam> why does OpenOffice run so slowly? the only thing i know that would affect it is that i have a lot of fonts.
[07:50] <adam> is there a way to speed it up?
[07:52] <muhv> do anyone got working dual-display... something like 2048x768?
[07:52] <muhv> i have right now working clone
[07:53] <muhv> 2x 1024x768
[07:54] <DanC> hmm... some guy writes "I'm an old man with just a few joys, one of which is my computer." with some tale of woe about his hosed AOL setup. I want to point him at the Ubuntu live CD, but I don't see sufficiently introductory docs. Maybe I'll find time to write some. hmm.
[07:54] <riley> on warty prerelease, my sound worked fine, but after upgrading to the full release it no longer works.  anybody know why this might be or how i might go about fixing it?
[07:58] <GotD0t> riley: that seems to be a common problem
[07:58] <riley> GotD0t: yeah, but i searched the FAQs and nothing came up...
[08:01] <kent> riley, do you have one of those onboard AC97 cards? As i heard, those are known to be quite problematic..   But, i might be wrong.
[08:02] <riley> kent: I know I have an onboard card... I'll check on the AC97 part...
[08:03] <sparkes> kent, I have no problem with my ac97 card
[08:03] <riley> kent: Onboard Audio: CMI9739 6-Channel Audio
[08:05] <muhv> i have ac97 (realtek alc650) working really great:)
[08:06] <kent> Well, I also have a AC97 and it works. But some one told me a few weeks ago, that they were some kind of software cards, and that they were known to not work,   but hey.. i might be wrong :)
[08:07] <siretart> hi. how to install a ttf font in ubuntu?
[08:07] <FLeiXiuS> Just place them in the fonts folder
[08:07] <siretart> FLeiXiuS: where is my fonts folder?
[08:08] <user634> Hi, I am having a problem with ubuntu installer: it does not detect my partitions properly. It shows that my harddrive contains only 1 FAT16 partitions.
[08:08] <FLeiXiuS> /usr/share/fonts i believe
[08:08] <user634> I am also having similar problems with d-i pre-rc2
[08:08] <siretart> no rehasing or else needed anymore?
[08:09] <user634> I also tried to use parted and it also cannot detect my partitions properly
[08:10] <user634> Does it have anything to do with the version of parted d-i is using? I tried d-t beta4 several months ago and it works perfectly
[08:11] <user634> Can someone help me?
[08:12] <Gmail> the top 10 are all going down or still besides ubuntu YAY but :( for debian
[08:12] <Gmail> user634: bugzilla
[08:12] <user634> Gamil:how do I submit bugs?
[08:13] <user634> Gmail:ie. what is the format for the report?
[08:13] <Gmail> user634: its 4:13am 
[08:14] <Gmail> o.0
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> or, 2:14 pm
[08:14] <Kamion> Gmail: yes?
[08:16] <Gmail> user634: had a bug for ya
[08:16] <Gmail> but he gone
[08:17] <Kamion> if he's going to file it in bugzilla, I'll see it there
[08:17] <Kamion> I saw his comment, but we're using a *more* recent version of parted than d-i beta4, so ...
[08:18] <Gmail> hey plasmo
[08:18] <plasmo> hello
[08:18] <plasmo> ;)
[08:19] <riley> can anyone hear point me to something that would help me resolve sound problems?
[08:20] <Gmail> so the next relest of ubuntu will be a few cds? or 1 gnome installer cd, 1 kde installer cd, then 2cd with both?
[08:20] <Gmail> riley: what card?
[08:20] <Kamion> Gmail: no, still just the one
[08:20] <Gmail> onboard?
[08:20] <Gmail> Kamion: you saw my was resolved
[08:20] <I> puzzledm
[08:21] <letheus> Does anyone know something about sound-programs like audacity, ecasound, rosegarden?
[08:23] <muhv> do anyone know is xinerama module built into x at ubuntu?
[08:23] <Kamion> Gmail: yes. preferably don't assign it to yourself when doing so, though
[08:24] <Kamion> Gmail: (it makes it harder for me to find it in case I need to reopen it for some reason)
[08:24] <Gmail> Kamion: but its fixed
[08:25] <Kamion> "for some reason"
[08:25] <Kamion> it's a general principle
[08:25] <Gmail> ok
[08:25] <Gmail> is mozilla.org down?
[08:25] <Gmail> or very very very slow?
[08:26] <merriam> no
[08:26] <Slackman> howdy, quick question, anyone had any luck getting a speed touch usb to work with ubuntu?
[08:26] <riley> Gmail: Onboard Audio: CMI9739 6-Channel Audio 
[08:26] <FLeiXiuS> muhv: I'm not sure, I haven't had it to work, try downloading the module
[08:26] <Gmail> what about update.mozilla.org
[08:26] <Gmail> riley: me too, no distro every deteched it goto #alsa they will tell ya what to modprobe
[08:27] <riley> Gmail: ok thanks, what's weird is that the prerelease for ubuntu detected it... but oh well thanks
[08:27] <Gmail> riley: also dont forget to modprobe a97
[08:27] <paulproteus> cmipci
[08:27] <merriam> Slackman: i suppose you already know it works with linux.  but i haven't tried it.  did you get the speedtouch with your connection?
[08:27] <paulproteus> snd-cmpci
[08:27] <paulproteus> For the CMI-whatever thing.
[08:28] <Gmail> riley: has a distro even deteched it for you?
[08:28] <Gmail> riley: i'v went throu alot of distros and non deteched it
[08:28] <Slackman> merriam, yeh i'm under OSX atm(its dual boot and i only have the 1 modem), so i can't apt-get the speedtouch package
[08:28] <riley> Gmail: Warty prerelease did, but slackware (only other distro i've tried on this comp) didn't
[08:29] <Slackman> it seems to be detected and everything though
[08:29] <Slackman> just wondering if there was a howto somewhere for it, or if i actually needed the speedtouch package still
[08:29] <Slackman> dmesg picks it up fine
[08:30] <merriam> Slackman: it's easy to get the package
[08:30] <Gmail> riley: strange
[08:30] <merriam> you don't have to apt-get it directly
[08:30] <riley> Gmail: yeah
[08:30] <Gmail> riley: d-i never deteched it for me nor did anconda
[08:30] <riley> Gmail: weird
[08:31] <Kamion> riley: is it a PCI card or what?
[08:31] <Gmail> Kamion: onboard same as mine
[08:31] <riley> Kamion: onboard CMI9739 6-Channel Audio
[08:31] <Kamion> riley: I mean, is it on the PCI bus? Does it have a PCI ID?
[08:31] <Gmail> riley: your in #alsa you need to modprobe some stuff
[08:32] <merriam> Slackman: i don't know if you still need it. not many people will know that sort of thing
[08:33] <Kamion> riley: if so, we need: 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' output; the correct module to load
[08:33] <Slackman> merriam: i tried ftp.ubuntulinux.org but i couldn't find the package...is that the correct location?
[08:33] <Kamion> riley: assuming that 'modprobe smd-cmipci' or whatever fixes it
[08:33] <Slackman> i'd have a look in my apt config but i'd have to reboot
[08:33] <Gmail> ok where the hell is modconf? i was told by bob2 it in universe
[08:33] <riley> Kamion: ok...
[08:33] <brettcar> Slackman: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/
[08:33] <Kamion> Gmail: doesn't exist for Ubuntu yet.
[08:34] <Kamion> Gmail: I tried to fix it up for our linux-image packages, it was a total mess and was going to take more time than I had available
[08:34] <Kamion> Gmail: the *source* package is in universe ...
[08:35] <Gmail> Kamion: ok thanks i will d/l it and build it using apt-src
[08:35] <Kamion> Gmail: it won't build out of the box; you'll have to hack it
[08:35] <Gmail> Kamion: the source package works after buildiing
[08:35] <Gmail> ok
[08:35] <Kamion> if it built out of the box, it'd already be in universe automatically
[08:35] <Slackman> brettcar cheers.
[08:35] <Gmail> crap
[08:35] <Kamion> it'll probably build if you happen to have an old kernel-image-* package installed
[08:36] <Gmail> so can i move to a debian kernel image and use debina's build of modconf?
[08:36] <Kamion> but it'll only pick up modules from that kernel, not from the Ubuntu kernel
[08:36] <cristian> is it reasonably safe to use universe? is there a possibility to break something like in unstable or in experimental, or it is more "controlled"
[08:36] <Kamion> Gmail: if you like, but we can't support that configuration
[08:36] <Kamion> cristian: universe is "it built, let's ship it" :-)
[08:36] <Keybuk> cristian: it won't move, unlike unstable ... but it's also not really been tested or bug-fixed
[08:37] <merriam> Slackman: it should be easy to find.  it's harder than i thought
[08:37] <Kamion> moving to a Debian kernel-image while still trying to use Ubuntu just for the sake of modconf seems like a bit of an overreaction to me
[08:37] <neuro|laptop> gwar
[08:38] <Gmail> isnt universe just a copy  of debian's repsonary as i even see some 100% un ubuntu related stuff and only debian related
[08:38] <Gmail> night
[08:38] <Kamion> universe is Debian built against Ubuntu.
[08:38] <merriam> Slackman: do you have just one computer?
[08:40] <cristian> kamion: so there's possibility to incur in some package that build but broken in functionality? Or importing from unstable is somewhat bounded to open bugs of each package?
[08:40] <merriam> Slackman: ftp://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/speedtouch/speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_powerpc.deb
[08:40] <merriam> dpkg -i speedtouch_1.2-t20040511-3_powerpc.deb
[08:41] <Kamion> cristian: yep, could be arbitrarily broken. In practice it's generally not as bad as that
[08:42] <Kamion> cristian: but we've exercised very little control over it
[08:46] <cristian> Kamion: sure, I understand. Just guessing if I can switch my "stable" workstation to ubuntu+universe with an adeguate software coverage (like security fix or general "quality attention")
[08:46] <jvs> did anybody else have this error that the installer freezes at 95% when trying to install the extra packages?
[08:47] <Slackman> merriam: thankyou
[08:47] <stepcut> b
[08:47] <cristian> (meaning stable as woody)
[08:49] <Kamion> cristian: we can't guarantee security fixes to universe, I'm afraid
[08:49] <Kamion> that's part of "unsupported"
[08:49] <Slackman> gonna try and gets me modrum working...thanks for your help
[08:50] <Kamion> jvs: switch to tty3 to see what it's doing
[08:50] <jvs> hmm
[08:50] <jvs> yeah, that's an good idea Kamion
[08:50] <jvs> nevertheless Ill reburn the cd  now
[08:50] <matt__> hi
[08:50] <Kamion> jvs: oh, you've already rebooted?
[08:51] <Matt|> is there a unstable version of ubuntu?
[08:51] <Kamion> Matt|: we haven't kicked off hoary yet, will be happening soon
[08:51] <jvs> Kamion: no, ubuntu destroyed my grub...so I cannot boot at the moment, but Ill reburn the cd on my second box
[08:51] <Matt|> i have just installed warty and updated it but I want newer versions of some programs
[08:51] <Matt|> Kamion, I am on xchat 2.0.8 here, help me out :)
[08:52] <Kamion> Matt|: we haven't kicked off hoary yet, will be happening soon
[08:52] <Kamion> that's all the help I can give you right now :-)
[08:52] <Matt|> ok
[08:52] <Matt|> Kamion, so can I download an xchat package to update it?
[08:52] <Kamion> you could build it from upstream source
[08:53] <Matt|> it cannot be done through apt?
[08:53] <jvs> I couldnt even reinstall grub...*grml
[08:53] <Kamion> no
[08:53] <jvs> wtf happend...
[08:53] <Matt|> hmmm
[08:53] <Matt|> that is a shame
[08:53] <Kamion> Matt|: hoary is where we'll be putting newer packages.
[08:53] <Matt|> Kamion, ok cool
[08:53] <Kamion> and hey, it's only six months between releases
[08:53] <jvs> :)
[08:53] <Kamion> note, though, that hoary will be VERY VERY UNSTABLE for the first week or two at least
[08:53] <Matt|> Kamion, sure but xchat is like 3 versions behind and i am worried about security problems
[08:54] <Kamion> Matt|: we'll provide security updates to the version in warty.
[08:54] <tseng> Matt|: ubuntu will backport any securit fixes
[08:54] <Matt|> tseng, Kamion right thanks
[08:54] <jvs> Matt|, why not use another irc client meanwhile?
[08:54] <Matt|> jvs, i like xchat ;p
[08:54] <Matt|> jvs, i'm not much of a geek
[08:55] <Matt|> so i like user friendly ones
[08:55] <jvs> Matt|, we all are in some way ;)
[08:55] <pantz_> anyone have any tips on how to chroot with ubuntu?
[08:55] <Matt|> :)
[08:55] <Matt|> hey nice channel
[08:55] <jvs> hehe
[08:55] <pantz_> i am getting - /usr/sbin/chroot .
[08:55] <pantz_> /usr/sbin/chroot: /bin/bash: No such file or directory
[08:56] <pantz_> i guess coz i am never running as root to start with ?
[08:56] <jvs> pantz_, you must have misse smthg then
[08:56] <jvs> *missed
[08:56] <Kamion> pantz_: you can only chroot into something that looks a bit like a Linux system itself.
[08:56] <Matt|> thanks for ya help guys
[08:56] <Kamion> pantz_: you can't chroot into any random directory (at least, not conveniently using chroot(1))
[08:56] <pantz_> i mounted a live-cd iso and tried to chroot into it
[08:57] <Kamion> the live CD ISO isn't set up for that as far as I know
[08:57] <pantz_> would i have to mount the initrd?
[08:57] <pantz_> on the live cd?
[08:57] <Kamion> the live CD is very strange; it uses bizarre overlay filesystems and things like that that aren't in the standard Ubuntu kernel
[08:57] <pantz_> bah its ok - i will just write it to cd and boot from it - thanks anyhoo
[08:57] <Kamion> I doubt it's possible to do what you're trying to do, to be honest
[08:58] <cristian> Kamion: I've read that ubuntu mirror will grow from 23G to 60G during hoary development, this is due to a large expansion in supported packages or in architectures?
[08:59] <mako> cristian: i suspect more architectures that supported packages
[08:59] <Kamion> cristian: warty + hoary = double mirror size just by itself
[09:01] <cristian> kamion: still 14 unidentified gigabytes ;)
[09:01] <siretart> wwwoah - ( /me just noticed that nautilus is able to look inside .iso files ). damn is ubuntu good.
[09:02] <Kamion> cristian: + ia64 (possibly) + standard growth
[09:02] <cristian> equation complete, thanks
[09:13] <TheCan> hi - i just installed worthy but neither touchpad nor usb mouse work :(
[09:14] <kent> I am trying to get phpwiki working on Ubuntu. I have apache installed, and php4, and have uncommented the php-section in apache.conf, still when i browse my homepage the browser tells me if i want to open the php-file. That is, apache is not executing the script :(  How come?
[09:15] <stepcut> kent: did you restart/reload the apache server after changing the settings?
[09:15] <Marjo> Is it possible to replace xfree86 with xorg in Worthy?
[09:15] <paulproteus> Marjo: They're running the last XFree before the license change, which has most of the driver updates in X.org.  It doesn't have the new features; the next release is intended to have X.org.
[09:16] <kent> stepcut, yes.
[09:17] <patrix> whoa 274 ppl here
[09:18] <Marjo> paulproteus: When will we see the next release?
[09:18] <stepcut> kent: dunno, maybe you missed a section in the apache.conf? The php stuff is spread out in a few different sections I think..
[09:19] <paulproteus> Marjo: Each release comes each six months.
[09:19] <paulproteus> Does anyone have a really good-looking Ubuntu desktop?
[09:19] <Marjo> paulproteus: Ok
[09:19] <paulproteus> I'm trying to sell my brother on Ubuntu, but he finds the default look boring and lame.
[09:20] <jkka> paulproteus: there were thread about ubuntu-desktops on the unofficial forums
[09:20] <Bliksem> paulproteus: show him some nice gnome themes
[09:20] <paulproteus> Bliksem: I use KDE myself (-;
[09:20] <paulproteus> I guess I should switch my Debian desktop to GNOME so I can better support the Ubuntu users I'm creating.
[09:21] <Bliksem> I dont like kde tbh... But there are some nice KDE themed too
[09:21] <Bliksem> *themes
[09:21] <paulproteus> ubuntuforums.com, right?
[09:21] <Pluk> .org
[09:21] <Pluk> :)
[09:22] <paulproteus> Looks like .com is the same, but I'll use the canonical URL in the future.
[09:22] <Pluk> hmm ur right :)
[09:22] <Pluk> didnt even know that one
[09:23] <Pluk> im impressed btw about the stuff that works out of the box
[09:24] <TheCan> like my touchpad :p
[09:24] <Pluk> on amd64 that is
[09:25] <Pluk> but 2.6.8 is a nifty kernel :)
[09:26] <Pluk> yeah im anxious to install it on a ibm thinkpad
[09:27] <jkka> Pluk: ive done that on TP 600x
[09:28] <jkka> bit old
[09:28] <Pluk> fully supported?
[09:28] <jkka> not tested that one so much
[09:28] <jvs> here we go :) new cd, wish me luck
[09:28] <jkka> im mainly using this EVO N150
[09:28] <Pluk> will getting a t42
[09:28] <Pluk> gl jvs
[09:28] <Pluk> :)
[09:29] <jvs> thanks!
[09:29] <jkka> i was sold when ubuntus installer regocnized my wlan-card
[09:29] <jvs> ...blank screen...uh oh
[09:30] <jkka> and even made it work straight out of box
[09:30] <geppy> How would I go about getting grip on Ubuntu?  Just download the source, or add some foreign repository?
[09:30] <Pluk> I wheb it recognized my silicon image sata raid in 64bit :)
[09:31] <gruberman> anyone here who has nfl fieldpass working in ubuntu?
[09:32] <jkka>  geppy, it looks like that grip is on "universe"
[09:32] <geppy> Thanks.  :)
[09:33] <blahrus> hey I am sure this gets asked a lot
[09:33] <blahrus> but anyway to get mplayer running on 64bit Ubuntu
[09:34] <geppy> google for it
[09:35] <jvs> ok
[09:35] <jvs> freeze again
[09:36] <Pluk> unlucky
[09:36] <jvs> always the same...az 95% when trying to install the extra packages...right after installing the kernel
[09:39] <blahrus> geppy, i still have not found aynthing
[09:39] <geppy> blahrus:  Second result on google for "ubuntu + mplayer" http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[09:40] <alexey> Hello
[09:41] <blahrus> thank you
[09:43] <jvs> whoa
[09:43] <jvs> well, remove the ubunto iso
[09:43] <jvs> get the gentoo live cd :)
[09:44] <Matt|> hi again
[09:44] <Matt|> can someone explain what the ubuntu-base package is?
[09:44] <simoriah> Just installed Ubuntu. Been using linux since the 2.0.X days... when I try to dhclient ath0, I get "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" and eventually, "No DHCPOFFERS received." What's the deal with this sit0 error?
[09:44] <Matt|> i want to uninstall some packages but it says that ubuntu-base depends on them
[09:44] <Matt|> can i go ahead and remove them both?
[09:45] <simoriah> if I had to guess, removing ubuntu-base would probably be a REALLY bad idea.
[09:45] <geppy> Matt|: 'twould not be a good idea.
[09:45] <Matt|> geppy, so what is the deal with that
[09:45] <Matt|> i cannot remove vim from my system?
[09:45] <ogra> blahrus: follow the last block in this howto and you can install mplayer with one command: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[09:45] <Matt|> or nano?
[09:46] <alexey> You can remove both vim (don't do it, better learn how to use it) and ubuntu-base
[09:46] <alexey> Both are of "optional" priority
[09:46] <Matt|> alexey, thanks v much
[09:46] <Matt|> alexey, what do i lose if i remove ubuntu-base?
[09:47] <Matt|> alexey, sorry but vim just gets on my nerves
[09:47] <Matt|> ;)
[09:47] <alexey> Matt|: Nothing probably.
[09:47] <HomoAcridien> oye
[09:47] <alexey> It is meta-package which contains only dependencies, if I understand correctly
[09:47] <Matt|> alexey, ah i see
[09:47] <HomoAcridien> is there a package with flash-plugin ?
[09:47] <jvs> when will the next livecd come out?
[09:48] <ogra> HomoAcridien: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[09:48] <Matt|> alexey, removing it will not remove any other packages
[09:48] <Matt|> ?
[09:48] <alexey> HomoAcridien: flashplayer-mozilla
[09:48] <ogra> HomoAcridien: see the bottom
[09:48] <alexey> Matt|: Should not.
[09:48] <alexey> HomoAcridien: It is in multiverse repository
[09:49] <Matt|> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[09:49] <Matt|> multiverse?
[09:49] <alexey> Matt|: Yep
[09:49] <Matt|> i like the sound of that
[09:49] <Matt|> what is it?
[09:50] <alexey> Matt|: Repository of "non-free, use at your own risk" software. Again, if I understand correctly.
[09:50] <Matt|> ah
[09:50] <Matt|> are there other repositories too?
[09:50] <Matt|> and how can I enable them
[09:50] <Matt|> excuse these questions, I have never used a debian based system b4
[09:50] <alexey> Matt|: How familiar are you with Linux?
[09:50] <alexey> Ok, it answers. 
[09:51] <Matt|> alexey, i'm ok
[09:51] <alexey> Do the following: run Synaptic.
[09:51] <Matt|> alexey, i am happy to edit config files
[09:51] <Matt|> ok have started it
[09:51] <Bliksem> will a simple apt-get dist-upgrade take me pre release up to final?
[09:51] <alexey> Oh. Ok. Add deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:52] <Matt|> k cool
[09:52] <paulproteus> alexey: Usually you can achieve the same result by unchecking an option in Synaptic, right?
[09:52] <alexey> (Or you can add source from inside synaptic)
[09:52] <brettcar> alexey: Yeah
[09:52] <alexey> paulproteus: no, it seems that you can uncheck only universe repository, and multiverse is not there at all
[09:52] <Matt|> alexey, what other sort of repositories are there?
[09:52] <blahrus> geppy, you still around?
[09:53] <HomoAcridien> alexey: not a default repository ?
[09:53] <Matt|> are there any which will allow me to get a newer version of xchat through apt
[09:53] <alexey> universe is a lot of "kinda unsupported" stuff.
[09:53] <alexey> HomoAcridien: No.
[09:53] <alexey> Matt|: universe is much like Debian unstable.
[09:53] <Matt|> aha
[09:53] <HomoAcridien> alexey: oki tx and another question where to get Psi ?
[09:53] <Matt|> sounds good
[09:53] <blahrus> anyone installed mplayer from http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html howto????
[09:53] <toyowheelin> will multiverse work on 64bit?
[09:54] <alexey> HomoAcridien, I have no idea what is Psi.
[09:54] <LinuxJones> Bliksem, you only need to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade 
[09:54] <HomoAcridien> alexey: Psi is a Jabber client 
[09:54] <Matt|> alexey, so for universe i need another entry in my sources.list file?
[09:54] <jvs> when will a new installer be released?
[09:54] <HomoAcridien> alexey: IM client
[09:54] <alexey> toyowheelin: Dunno. Should.
[09:54] <alexey> HomoArcidien: universe
[09:54] <toyowheelin> humm
[09:54] <ericsp> Hi, I installed ubuntu and everything went OK. But, when I started evolution and copied my old evolution 1.4-stored emails to the new directory, they were not listed in Evolution 2.0. Does anyone know how to imports the old evolutions datafiles into the new one??
[09:55] <alexey> Matt|: Yes. The simplest way is just uncomment it (or to check the item in Synaptic)
[09:55] <geppy> I think that you need to manually place the files into the new directory structure, if you can figure out how.
[09:55] <sap> on a multi boot machine (debian and ubuntu) i want to share my home partitiion. Is there a method to allow different config files e.g. ~/.xsession to be used based on which OS is booted?
[09:55] <seb128> ericsp: evolution 2.0 is supported to convert the old datas on the first startup
[09:55] <Matt|> alexey, ok this is much cooler
[09:56] <blahrus> geppy, you still around?
[09:56] <Matt|> thanks
[09:56] <alexey> Matt|: you're welcome
[09:56] <ericsp> seb128, should i copy them to the .evolution file before startup? I tried the import option, but that one did not work.
[09:56] <geppy> blahrus:  yes.
[09:56] <Matt|> ericsp, don't copy them into the folder
[09:56] <blahrus> geppy: did you install with those dir?
[09:56] <Matt|> you should try and find a way to use the import function
[09:56] <ogra> blahrus: don't compile yourself, there are packages, see: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[09:56] <geppy> blahrus:  No.
[09:57] <toyowheelin> humm well that sucks that flashplayer dont work 
[09:57] <Matt|> ericsp, did you do the import --> import a single file option?
[09:57] <alexey> toyowheelin: Works for me (tm)
[09:57] <seb128> ericsp: no, you are not supposed to do anything. Just start evolution with your 1.4 dirs on the disc, it detects the datas and open a window to say it's converting them
[09:57] <Matt|> toyowheelin, works here too
[09:57] <blahrus> ogra: i never used a wiki before what do I do?
[09:57] <toyowheelin> you are on 32bit right?
[09:57] <stepcut> sap: make an .xession.debian and .xsession.ubuntu, and then make .xsession pick the right one by looking at /etc/debian-version or something...
[09:58] <blahrus> ogra: no i am 64 bit
[09:58] <Matt|> toyowheelin, i am
[09:58] <ericsp> Matt, I started with 'older version'.
[09:58] <toyowheelin> I am amd_64
[09:58] <seb128> ericsp: you can try to set the /apps/evolution/last_version gconf key to 1.4 to force it to convert the datas again
[09:58] <Matt|> ericsp, that won't work i think
[09:58] <alexey> blahrus: Wiki is just a web page.
[09:58] <ogra> blahrus: oh, dammed, you'll need to compile....
[09:58] <ericsp> matt, what file should I select? folder per folder?
[09:58] <alexey> toyowheelin: Oh. 
[09:58] <blahrus> ogra: yea thats what I thought
[09:58] <toyowheelin> blahrus, you amd_64 also?
[09:59] <Matt|> ericsp, if seb128's method doesn't work, then you can import them file by file, using the .mbox files
[09:59] <ogra> blahrus: or set up a chroot.....but dont ask me how, i've got no amd64.....
[09:59] <blahrus> toyowheelin: yea
[09:59] <blahrus> ogra: Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[09:59] <blahrus>  I get that when i try to compile
[09:59] <ericsp> ok, I'll try the /apps/evolution/last_version gconf key
[09:59] <toyowheelin> blahrus, they kinda short handed us on features
[09:59] <sap> stepcut: yeah, i suppose ... it seems like a lot of bother given the amount of config files i have.
[09:59] <blahrus> toyowheelin: yea, not enough devs anywhere in linux on 64 bit working on package support
[10:00] <sap> stepcut: i was being lazy
[10:00] <sap> stepcut: thansk
[10:00] <sap> stepcut: thanks
[10:00] <ogra> blahrus: got the libx11-dev installed ?
[10:00] <toyowheelin> blahrus, indeed
[10:00] <georgia> lo
[10:00] <blahrus> ogra: thanks :)
[10:01] <toyowheelin> blahrus, which amd do you have 3400+?
[10:01] <blahrus> toyowheelin: i wish man
[10:01] <blahrus> 2800
[10:01] <toyowheelin> ouch
[10:01] <blahrus> i got the board and the proc for 165 bucks
[10:01] <blahrus> from a friend
[10:01] <toyowheelin> <---3400+
[10:01] <blahrus> grrrrr
[10:01] <Matt|> heh showoff
[10:01] <geppy> heh :)
[10:01] <stepcut> sap: if you want all your config files to be seperate, then you could have debian and ubuntu use seperate home directories, and put all your shared data in a directory, and then mount that directory into ~/shared or something
[10:02] <simoriah> P2-266. Ph33r my linux box's power! ;)
[10:02] <plukkie> :P
[10:02] <plukkie> craps im ghosted
[10:02] <toyowheelin> it takes like 24hours to make a 32768bit dsa ssh key in 64bit mode
[10:02] <ericsp> seb128, I cannot find the apps/evolution dir on my machine :-((
[10:02] <simoriah> On the other hand, my gentoo box does have a dual AMD 2400+ in it. :)
[10:03] <alexey> simoriah, like to make weather warm, don't you?
[10:03] <alexey> :-)
[10:03] <blahrus> ogra: what are the  GTK devel packages called :)
[10:03] <blahrus> ogra: sorry to bug you
[10:03] <ogra> blahrus: no prob, thats why i'm around ;)
[10:04] <simoriah> alexey : Heh. I live in a basement in Michigan. Warm isn't a problem.
[10:04] <MyKq3> does UbuntuLinux have Dmix ?
[10:04] <blahrus> ogra: thanks man :)
[10:04] <ogra> blahrus: libgtk2.0-dev
[10:04] <alexey> simoriah, I live in Finland ;-)
[10:04] <simoriah> Finland, eh? 
[10:05] <simoriah> *starts singing some Monty Python*
[10:05] <ogra> blahrus: i suspect mplayer using gtk1, so probably libgtk1.2-dev is better
[10:05] <alexey> simoriah, It's a kind of country, not a boat or like
[10:05] <neuro|laptop> no, not the comfy chair!
[10:05] <simoriah> neuro|laptop : YES! THE SAME!
[10:05] <alexey> ;-)
[10:06] <blahrus> ogra: we will se :)
[10:06] <Matt|> i guess there is a ship called Estonia
[10:06] <neuro|laptop> alexey: but it is
[10:06] <neuro|laptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M/S_Estonia
[10:06] <neuro|laptop> well, was
[10:07] <alexey> neuro|laptop, I know :-) But they belive it is the only meaning :-)
[10:07] <neuro|laptop> so give them a) a slap and b) a map :)
[10:08] <sparkes> neuro|laptop, so what part of england is Scotengland in?
[10:08] <sparkes> ;-)
[10:09] <blahrus> ogra: well it building . . . .
[10:09] <neuro|laptop> why you little ...
[10:09] <neuro|laptop> [cue Homer type strangling noises] 
[10:09] <alexey> sparkes, you are ignorant. It is a town in London.
[10:09] <ogra> blahrus: sounds good :)
[10:10] <neuro|laptop> you're *all* going to pay
[10:10] <sparkes> lol
[10:10] <neuro|laptop> basts all of you!
[10:11] <joolz> uhmmm, what again was the linux command to count the number of lines?
[10:11] <simoriah> I have my essid, channel, wep key (in hex), mode, and speed set in /etc/network/interfaces for ath0 and I'm still getting an error in every frame the card tries to send. dhclient fails, too. Ideas?
[10:11] <simoriah> joolz : wc -l
[10:11] <sparkes> joem, wc
[10:11] <alexey> wc -l
[10:12] <joolz> right, thanks!
[10:12] <neuro|laptop> sparkes: oi, get lugradio.org fixed first!
[10:12] <alexey> simoriah, do you have right mode? Managed/ad-hoc?
[10:12] <simoriah> Managed, yes.
[10:12] <sparkes> neuro_, I'm retired
[10:13] <neuro|laptop> sparkes: no excuses :)
[10:13] <alexey> simoriah, can you show me your 'iwconfig eth0' in a /msg?
[10:13] <simoriah> Bit rate (according to iwconfig) never actually gets set right, though. It's a WPC55AG card connecting to an 802.11b WAP.
[10:13] <simoriah> Sure. Gimme a sec.
[10:16] <simoriah> Would it help if I manually associated with the AP?
[10:17] <blahrus> ogra: and it WORKED
[10:17] <ogra> blahrus: great :)
[10:18] <blahrus> ogra: i am a huge fedora fan, but it has been easyer than fedora so far for x86_64
[10:19] <ogra> blahrus: nice to hear, i never used fedora (my last rh was 4.2 ;)
[10:20] <letheus> Themes for gnome?
[10:20] <blahrus> ogra: i love it
[10:20] <minimike> hello
[10:21] <HomoAcridien> ogra: i was under fc2
[10:21] <blahrus> ogra: I know my way around it, it works like I want it to, BUT x86_64 lacks every where in linux righ tnow
[10:21] <ogra> blahrus: but not only under linux....
[10:21] <blahrus> ogra: true
[10:21] <minimike> i am using sarge and i think about to upgrade it
[10:21] <blahrus> ogra: better than windows
[10:22] <ogra> blahrus: no question ;)
[10:22] <blahrus> ogra: but that doesn't take much
[10:22] <ogra> HomoAcridien: so you converted ? how do you like it ?
[10:23] <minimike> should i use ubuntu i have installed some Server apps like PHP and apache is a miix between sarge and ubuntu good ?
[10:26] <paulproteus> I think Ubuntu is great for Debian.  "Trust me, I'm a Debian zealot" ;)
[10:26] <paulproteus> And soon to be a dev.
[10:26] <HomoAcridien> ogra:  I enjoy really Fedora lake support
[10:26] <HomoAcridien> ogra: i mean i enjoy ubuntu
[10:27] <HomoAcridien> ogra: more than fedora
[10:27] <HomoAcridien> ogra: I begin to believe that fedora is just redhat lab ?
[10:28] <alexey> HomoAcridien, it is.
[10:28] <HomoAcridien> ogra: translations are better here
[10:28] <ogra> HomoAcridien: thats what it sounded like from the beginning....but still rh needs the community, they can't exist without....
[10:29] <ogra> HomoAcridien: yep, the deb community is really huge
[10:29] <ogra> HomoAcridien: so translations are more likely....
[10:30] <paulproteus> Basically, there's more goodwill in the Debian community, and it's not a corporate tool.
[10:30] <paulproteus> So it rocks.
[10:30] <paulproteus> And then people like Canonical do things "no one wants to", and makes distros like Ubuntu, and give the changes back to Debian.
[10:32] <opi> Hi
[10:32] <blahrus> ogra: any idea how to get php working on x86_64
[10:32] <ogra> hey opi 
[10:32] <mirak_> hi
[10:32] <ogra> blahrus: no package around ?
[10:33] <blahrus> couldn't find anything when i searched
[10:33] <opi> apt-get.org maybe?
[10:34] <ogra> blahrus: look for libapache2-mod-php4
[10:34] <blahrus> brb
[10:35] <simoriah> aahhh..... white on black terminals. I thought I was going to go blind for a minute, there! :D
[10:36] <opi> simoriah: xterm -bg black -fg green or -fg gold :)
[10:37] <simoriah> EW!
[10:37] <simoriah> Are you trying to kill me?!
[10:37] <geppy> heh
[10:37] <GotD0t> i wanna see
[10:37] <GotD0t> haha
[10:37] <simoriah> read that wrong. It's still not white on black. That makes it WRONG! ;)
[10:38] <ercin> hi all
[10:38] <opi> simoriah: that's my fav. setting :))
[10:38] <GotD0t> hi
[10:39] <ercin> did i missed someting in installation or the warty install did not asks for root password?
[10:39] <blahrus> ogra: yea I have it installed
[10:39] <paulproteus> ercin: Ubuntu uses sudo not su.
[10:39] <simoriah> ercin : Heh. YOu missed it, too?
[10:39] <paulproteus> Like Mac OS X.
[10:39] <blahrus> but it tries to download php files and not load them
[10:39] <alexey> ercin, this is FAQ. And it says about it during the installation.
[10:39] <blahrus> see this is were fedora just worked
[10:39] <alexey> ercin, root account is disabled.
[10:40] <alexey> ercin, first user you've created can use sudo.
[10:40] <ogra> blahrus: so it should work....probably a apache setting
[10:40] <ercin> alexey, thanks
[10:40] <blahrus> ogra: well poop ;)
[10:40] <alexey> ercin, if you really want root (believe me, you do not :) ) run sudo passwd root.
[10:40] <burnboy> sooo..is there a digi-cam viewer installed with Ubuntu?
[10:41] <paulproteus> I seem to recall that one is supposed to load up as soon as you insert your camera to USB.
[10:41] <ogra> blahrus: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is probably missing
[10:42] <paulproteus> blahrus: 
[10:42] <paulproteus> cd /etc/apache2
[10:42] <paulproteus> ls
[10:42] <opi> ercin: better use sudo -s
[10:42] <toyowheelin> how do they come up with these mime types
[10:42] <blahrus> paulproteus: ok . . . .
[10:42] <paulproteus> Notice that there's 'available-modules' and 'enabled-modules', right?
[10:43] <seri> hi there
[10:43] <paulproteus> mods-available and mods-enabled, rather.
[10:43] <ogra> hi seri
[10:43] <blahrus> "/usr/lib/apache2/modules/php4.load" is there
[10:43] <seri> can anybody explain me how to enable gtk 1 font antialiasing? like in xmms? it looks so ugly :)
[10:43] <paulproteus> ?
[10:43] <seri> hi ogra :)
[10:43] <paulproteus> Eek, seems I have to run.
[10:43] <ogra> blahrus: did you restart apache after installing php4 ?
[10:43] <burnboy> yeah nothing opened when i plugged in the cam
[10:43] <burnboy> :(
[10:44] <blahrus> ogra: yea, even restarted the whole computer
[10:44] <blahrus> ogra: not that I needed to
[10:44] <alexey> burnboy, there is gtkam in universe
[10:44] <burnboy> shibby. that's what i was aiming for
[10:45] <LinuxJones> The live cd bittorrent is coming in @ 400 kb/s sweet
[10:45] <ogra> toyowheelin: whats wrong with the mimetypes ?
[10:45] <toyowheelin> lol nothin
[10:45] <blahrus> paulproteus: any ideas?
[10:45] <toyowheelin> they are just written kinda weird
[10:45] <burnboy> awesome it works
[10:45] <burnboy> *does a jig*
[10:47] <HomoAcridien> ogra: why ubuntu distro when there is already debian ???
[10:47] <ogra> toyowheelin: depends on your point of view i guess ;)
[10:48] <geppy> Why are there multiple distros, at all?
[10:48] <geppy> They all fill different niches.
[10:48] <HomoAcridien> geppy: yeah
[10:48] <HomoAcridien> geppy: like for species
[10:48] <HomoAcridien> geppy: lol
[10:48] <alexey> HomoAcridien, www.ubuntulinux.org says a lot about it.
[10:49] <HomoAcridien> alexey: yeah it says but all these teams could have join debian community...
[10:50] <toyowheelin> so whats the deal with ubuntu only using gnome?
[10:50] <ogra> HomoAcridien: debian is like a OceanTanker, you have to plan your moves years in advance, its simply too big.....ubuntu is like a sportsboat, slim and fast ;)
[10:50] <paulproteus> HomoAcridien: Because I can tell my non-tech friends to install Ubuntu, and I can't do that with Debian.
[10:50] <toyowheelin> or is that just the way it is?
[10:50] <paulproteus> And I can remain a Free Software zealot all the while (-;
[10:50] <xcasex> has there been problems with gstreamer?
[10:50] <alexey> HomoAcridien, they participate in Debian, afaik ;-)
[10:50] <HomoAcridien> paulproteus: really 
[10:51] <HomoAcridien> Until now I have tried SuSe and Fedora mainly
[10:51] <alexey> toyowheelin, that's wise move. Supporting two big chunks of software which plays roughly the same role is a nightmare.
[10:51] <kent> blahrus, did you get php working? I cant seem to do it :(
[10:51] <toyowheelin> :/
[10:51] <HomoAcridien> I don't know Debian what differentiate them from other distro ?
[10:51] <ogra> toyowheelin: it's simply a decision by the devs, (a good one i think, but lets not start a religious discussion=
[10:51] <brettcar> blahrus: apt-cache search php
[10:51] <alexey> HomoAcridien, www.debian.org
[10:52] <toyowheelin> lol ogra
[10:53] <toyowheelin> well I may end up moving to another distro, :/ I dont really want to but there seems to be only a few that support amd64 and actually work
[10:53] <toyowheelin> and even fewer that use KDE
[10:53] <geppy> If you're not willing to compile stuff yourself, you should probably run in 32bit.
[10:53] <alexey> toyowheelin, about amd64: did you try bug reporting?
[10:54] <theantix> supporting only one desktop environment just makes a lot of sense -- more consistant applications, etc
[10:54] <alexey> theantix, exactly.
[10:54] <toyowheelin> alexey, ubuntu works fine with amd64 its just they only use gnome
[10:54] <toyowheelin> its the other distros that are broken
[10:54] <HomoAcridien> how do I add the multiverse repository ?
[10:55] <alexey> toyowheelin, did I say "ubuntu"? I think I said "bug reporting"...
[10:55] <toyowheelin> oh...sorry I just figured you ment ubuntu
[10:55] <LinuxJones> toyowheelin, can't you install kde ?
[10:55] <alexey> HomoAcridien, add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list file
[10:56] <toyowheelin> I did and I am using it I just want it to be supported so that it will stay up to date 
[10:56] <ogra> HomoAcridien: append the word multiverse behind universe in your sources.list/synaptic repo list 
[10:56] <alexey> ogra, do you feel it is a good idea to mix two sources in one line?
[10:57] <subterrific> what is the multiverse?
[10:57] <HomoAcridien> alexey: if I use synaptic it's the same approach ?
[10:57] <ogra> alexey: no, but as they are on the same server and it's done in the default setup too i think it's ok
[10:58] <alexey> ogra, in default setup there were no multiverse for me at all...
[10:58] <alexey> HomoAcridien, yes.
[10:58] <ogra> alexey: but mixed repos ;)
[10:58] <ogra> alexey: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted 
[10:59] <ogra> alexey: is in my defaults
[10:59] <alexey> ogra, yes, I understand...
[10:59] <blahrus> ogra: any good way to get the qui for bittorrent?
[10:59] <alexey> ogra, well, there is no problem with it, just feels *for me* somehow not-so-right... 
[10:59] <LinuxJones> blahrus, bittornado 
[10:59] <ogra> blahrus: dunno, havent used bittornado yet
[11:00] <alexey> bittornado-gui
[11:00] <ogra> alexey: thanks :)
[11:00] <alexey> btdownload-gui will be the command, IIRC
[11:00] <alexey> ogra, :-)
[11:00] <blahrus> LinuxJones: you sure, I am using 64bit
[11:00] <jkka> anyone tried azureus with ubuntu yet?
[11:00] <blahrus> and i didn't see it
[11:01] <dgtl> hi everyone
[11:01] <HomoAcridien> ogra: this way .. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse ?
[11:02] <toyowheelin> blahrus, whatca lookin for
[11:02] <toyowheelin> ?
[11:02] <salman> Can someone please help me setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH globally for the entire gnome-sesion
[11:02] <blahrus> toyowheelin: bittorrent gui
[11:02] <salman> I have tried just about anything.  I cannot set it globally
[11:02] <ogra> HomoAcridien: yep and don't forget apt-get update /or synaptic refresh ;)
[11:02] <toyowheelin> I found it
[11:02] <dgtl> anyone know if there is a manual way of starting the ntp server? (it fails during boot since i use a wireless connection which isn't activated until later on)
[11:02] <HomoAcridien> ogra: :-)
[11:02] <ccox> hello
[11:03] <mjr> salman, make an ~/.xsession that sets the environment as you wish and then execs gnome-session
[11:03] <blahrus> toyowheelin: where?
[11:03] <ccox> does anyone know how to make apt ignore a package?
[11:03] <toyowheelin> synaptic and did a search for bittorrent
[11:03] <alexey> dgtl, /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[11:03] <HomoAcridien> ogra: i'm curious why this word multiverse to be added ?
[11:03] <ccox> I built my own gaim-1.0.2 deb and installed it ... but when I apt-get upgrade it tries to DOWNGRADE to what is in the repositor
[11:03] <ogra> Homop: read Terry Pratchett Novels ;)
[11:03] <dgtl> alexey: thanks
[11:03] <TheCan> hi..why doesnt it work to launch applications as root? i just set the root passwd
[11:04] <salman> I tried to create .xsession file and put export TESTVARIABLE=test, but then X would not start and complain that my session lasted less then 10 seconds
[11:04] <TheCan> now i enter it but it fails to start any app from gnome directly
[11:04] <blahrus> toyowheelin: but it has no gui
[11:04] <toyowheelin> its listed as bittorrent-gui
[11:04] <blahrus> do you have multiverse repos on also?
[11:05] <|progenic|> excuse me, can i download the jdk from sun then install the bin file without using the one that is inside apt ?
[11:05] <salman> should the .xsession file also have the line exec gnome-session as you suggested?
[11:05] <toyowheelin> yes blahrus
[11:05] <__daniel> re
[11:05] <toyowheelin> I can turn em off and see what I get
[11:05] <mjr> salman, yes indeed
[11:05] <salman> let me try that
[11:05] <alexey> TheCan, why you want to run something as root at all?
[11:05] <TheCan> alexey, for example i select network settings from the gui in gnome....
[11:06] <blahrus> toyowheelin: I still do not see it
[11:06] <toyowheelin> blahrus, my bad....I typed in bittornado
[11:06] <toyowheelin> not bittorrent
[11:06] <alexey> TheCan, you will be asked for the user password and the application will be run with root rights using sudo
[11:07] <TheCan> alexey, well yes this happens
[11:07] <TheCan> alexey, but whatever password i enter it does not work
[11:07] <TheCan> when i launch the simple terminal and do "su" and enter the password it works
[11:07] <ogra> TheCan: it's your PW
[11:07] <alexey> TheCan, you should use the first user you created and password for that user.
[11:07] <__daniel> hai ogra
[11:07] <blahrus> toyowheelin: got it
[11:07] <blahrus> thanks :)
[11:07] <ogra> hei __daniel ;)
[11:07] <TheCan> ah ic i need to enter the user's password not the root passwd?
[11:07] <alexey> TheCan, if you want to use it with other user you should give sudo rights to that user
[11:08] <alexey> TheCan, yes, *user* password.
[11:08] <ogra> TheCan: exactly
[11:08] <TheCan> ah ok now i propably got the point, thx!!
[11:08] <alexey> TheCan, and having root disabled is a good idea.
[11:08] <TheCan> yeah i just read about it in the faqs
[11:08] <toyowheelin> blahrus, bittornado should still work fine
[11:08] <blahrus> how do you get it to load?
[11:08] <toyowheelin> umm
[11:08] <blahrus> it does not show up in the menu for some reason
[11:08] <toyowheelin> good question
[11:09] <|progenic|> excuse me, can i download the jdk from sun then install the bin file without using the one that is inside apt ?
[11:09] <alexey> blahrus, run from command line btdownload-gui *torrent*
[11:09] <|progenic|> and how can i install it ?
[11:09] <ccox> progenic
[11:09] <TheCan> alexey, when i gave it a root passwd, is the root account enabled from now on? if so how can i disable it again?
[11:09] <toyowheelin> blahrus, it shows up in kde
[11:09] <ccox> just apt-get install java-package
[11:09] <|progenic|> then ?
[11:09] <ccox> then make-jpkg sun-blahblahblah.bin
[11:09] <alexey> blahrus, it does not have common GUI, only small window for every download
[11:09] <ccox> then just dpkg -i package
[11:09] <|progenic|> i cannot find the 1.5.0
[11:09] <blahrus> alexey: i know how it works
[11:09] <ccox> its easy
[11:10] <blahrus> alexey: just not seening how to load it
[11:10] <ogra> |progenic|: do you need 1.5 or would be 1.4 enough ?
[11:10] <ccox> the make-jpkg will make a deb out of the sun binary package
[11:10] <alexey> TheCan, in /etc/shadow root line should look like root:*:...., not root:<encrypted password>:... as you have now
[11:10] <toyowheelin> blahrus, its called bittorrent client under the internet catagory in the K menu for me
[11:10] <HomoAcridien> Do you know a jabber client supporting transport under ubuntu ?
[11:11] <__daniel> HomoAcridien, file transport?
[11:11] <alexey> blahrus, either run it from command line, either click on torrent in browser
[11:11] <|progenic|> i'm downloaded the one from sun, with the netbeans package
[11:11] <HomoAcridien> gaim does not
[11:11] <|progenic|> but i cannot ./sun-jdk bla bla
[11:11] <__daniel> HomoAcridien, gaim does
[11:11] <TheCan> alexey, so just remove it?
[11:11] <HomoAcridien> __daniel: no protocol transport
[11:11] <toyowheelin> blahrus, find it?
[11:12] <ccox> |progenic| are you just trying to install the java jdk?
[11:12] <__daniel> HomoAcridien, ok... sorry i meant "file transport"
[11:12] <ccox> sdk?
[11:12] <alexey> TheCan, encrypted password? Yes. Change it to *.
[11:12] <TheCan> ok
[11:12] <ogra> TheCan: there is a wiki how to do it right....
[11:12] <HomoAcridien> __daniel: don't mind i didn't precise
[11:12] <|progenic|> the package is with the netbeans
[11:12] <__daniel> HomoAcridien, but what is "protocol transport"?
[11:12] <|progenic|> if i download from the sun
[11:12] <ccox> |progenic| if you are you do not have to run the .bin that you download
[11:12] <alexey> TheCan, it is between first and second semicolons in line
[11:12] <ogra> TheCan: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[11:12] <alexey> TheCan, do not touch anything after the second semicolon
[11:12] <ccox> if you apt-get install java-package you can get make-jpkg to make debs from it
[11:13] <ccox> and you just install those debs manually
[11:13] <HomoAcridien> __daniel: an appelation to describe the way jabber servers communicate with MSN AIM ICQ
[11:13] <TheCan> ah thx!
[11:13] <|progenic|> then how to install from bin ? this package is with the netbeans IDE 
[11:13] <blahrus> alexey: that worked :)
[11:13] <HomoAcridien> Gaim has an ugly logo 
[11:13] <HomoAcridien> :-)
[11:13] <TheCan> |progenic|, you can install netbeans via the jar installer 
[11:13] <TheCan> at least 3.6
[11:13] <TheCan> in your user's homedir
[11:13] <alexey> blahrus, unbelievable :-))
[11:14] <blahrus> :)
[11:14] <ccox> gaim1.0.2 is so much better
[11:14] <__daniel> HomoAcridien, ah, i see
[11:14] <toyowheelin> blahrus, so it works eh?
[11:14] <HomoAcridien> ccox: the one we get in ubuntu release or ??
[11:14] <ccox> no
[11:14] <ccox> HomoAcridien: You get 1.0 with the ubuntu release
[11:14] <blahrus> toyowheelin: yea
[11:15] <toyowheelin> good
[11:15] <HomoAcridien> ccox: what does it feature ?
[11:15] <ccox> HomoAcridien: I packaged my own 1.0.2 if you want it
[11:15] <ccox> lots of bug fixes
[11:15] <ccox> read the gaim web site
[11:15] <toyowheelin> blahrus, I personally like azureus better
[11:15] <HomoAcridien> ccox: features jabber transport protocol ?
[11:15] <ccox> there were lots of enhancements since 1.0
[11:15] <blahrus> do you have that working?
[11:15] <blahrus> www.torrentflux.com
[11:15] <blahrus> check that out
[11:15] <blahrus> that what I use on fedoa
[11:15] <letheus> Please link me a great site with alot of gnome themes
[11:15] <blahrus> cause I can get that work work
[11:15] <blahrus> art.gnome.org
[11:16] <travis> hey guys, I have 2 problems. First off, grub won't boot into my windows partition. I had the same problem with fedora, but not with gentoo. Second, DNS resolution takes forever in Ubuntu, but not Windows, Mac, or Gentoo.
[11:16] <ogra> letheus: art.gnome.org
[11:16] <ccox> HomoAcridien: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog
[11:16] <toyowheelin> blahrus, I will see if I can compile it to work on ubuntu
[11:16] <blahrus> toyowheelin: let me know :)
[11:16] <alexey> travis, what do you mean by "DNS resolution"?
[11:16] <ccox> it sais jabber room list works again
[11:16] <ccox> so maybe it does to jabber?
[11:16] <merriam> alexey: what everyone else means by it
[11:17] <blahrus> ccox: gaim does
[11:17] <ccox> ok
[11:17] <travis> alexey, whenever I try to go to a website, it says "looking up www.whatever.com" for about 30 seconds before the page loads
[11:17] <letheus> ogra, sorry, i already know that one
[11:17] <ccox> anyway I created debs for gaim 1.0.2 if anyone wants it
[11:17] <alexey> merriam, I'd like to be sure. :-) The question sounded like the person can mean something different ;-)
[11:17] <ogra> letheus: www.gnome-look.org ?
[11:17] <blahrus> thast one also ogra
[11:17] <merriam> i've noticed slow dns too.  not 30 s though
[11:17] <travis> I may have used that incorrectly, not sure
[11:17] <ccox> only problem I am having is how to stop apt from DOWNGRADING gaim to what is in the repository ... which is 1.0
[11:18] <alexey> travis, does it take long if you type in command line "ping www.whatever.com"?
[11:18] <toyowheelin> blahrus, wow very complex install
[11:18] <ogra> letheus: and these are not enough ?
[11:18] <travis> yep. And in X-chat, when it was connecting to freenode. Basically everything.
[11:18] <blahrus> toyowheelin: no fun
[11:18] <toyowheelin> blahrus, you should try out azureus
[11:18] <|progenic|> i can't
[11:18] <ccox> ay ... azureus is good stuff
[11:18] <|progenic|> when i try to make-jpkg j2sdk bla bla it says error
[11:19] <|progenic|> the file does not exist
[11:19] <merriam> travis: i've noticed that.  i hadn't connected it with ubuntu
[11:19] <blahrus> the only reason i am a huge fan of torrent flux is is runs on php and mysql so I can get to it from anywhere and load up a torrent
[11:19] <spiv> travis: Perhaps ipv6?
[11:19] <ccox> cuz it cant find bla and bla progenic!
[11:19] <ccox> lol
[11:19] <|progenic|> i've already done the apt-get install java-package
[11:19] <alexey> travis, and if you ping something, wait when it is resolved, press Ctrl-c, ping again -- does it take long again?
[11:19] <toyowheelin> blahrus, you can do that with azureus
[11:19] <spiv> travis: i.e. it's trying to use ipv6 first, then when it times out fallsback to ipv4.
[11:19] <ccox> do you need the net-beans one?
[11:19] <travis> spiv, what about ipv6? I don't need it, so should I uninstall it. 
[11:19] <|progenic|> yup
[11:19] <blahrus> toyowheelin: in linux also?
[11:19] <toyowheelin> yes
[11:20] <blahrus> well lets get it working :)
[11:20] <|progenic|> if i try to install the package with the netbeans one, it stated that permission denied
[11:20] <travis> alexey, yes it does, but if I wait it out and let it successfully ping, then do it again, it doesn't take long at all.
[11:20] <letheus> ogra, no :) 
[11:20] <spiv> travis: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003983.html perhaps.
[11:20] <toyowheelin> blahrus, ok just a sec I will brb
[11:20] <spiv> travis: It's just guess though, so no guarantees :)
[11:21] <travis> ok, while I'm working on that, anyone have any idea why I can't get into Windows?
[11:21] <letheus> ogra, there was some other, better sites i knew once, but forgot ?em 
[11:21] <jkka> removing ipv6 improves resolving speed dramatically on ubuntu
[11:21] <moyogo> hi
[11:21] <moyogo> anyone using flash audio/video with a webcam?
[11:22] <ogra> letheus: www.themedepot.org comes to mind and www.themes.org but they are more "generic"
[11:22] <travis> ok I'm going to give the ipv6 a shot, be right back
[11:23] <letheus> ogra, ok. Thanks :)
[11:23] <HomoAcridien> damn how do I choose a profile in firefox
[11:23] <HomoAcridien> it starts with the wrong one
[11:24] <levchernyi> is there a package search similar to packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[11:24] <alexey> levchernyi, apt-cache search is not enough? (just wondering)
[11:25] <levchernyi> alexey, I forgot about that. Thanks!
[11:25] <optyk> blahrus: check your /var/log/apache2/error.log
[11:25] <ogra> alexey: apt-file is also a great tool btw
[11:26] <optyk> see if you have a lot of segfaults
[11:26] <alexey> ogra, but you have to install it, and apt-cache is always there :-)
[11:27] <ogra> alexey: yep, but it's the missing functionality ..... compared to packages.debian.org
[11:27] <alexey> ogra, and it is Perl, meaning Evil.
[11:27] <__daniel> alexey, hehe... ogra will like that :-)
[11:27] <ogra> alexey: hey, i'm a perl guy
[11:27] <ogra> lol
[11:27] <alexey> ogra, I'm sorry for you :-))
[11:28] <__daniel> alexey, ogra: that's why i always have "perl for dummies" handy ;-)
[11:28] <ogra> alexey: i'd try python, but i get lost without all the brackets *g*
[11:28] <Bohhh> hello
[11:28] <__daniel> ogra, what would the lisp guy say?
[11:29] <travis> nope, uncommenting the ipv6 line didn't work
[11:29] <Bohhh> what's the difference between warty-rc* and warty-* ?
[11:29] <ogra> __daniel: :)
[11:29] <__daniel> ogra, yes.. maybe he'd say ":-)" ;-)))
[11:29] <alexey> ogra, you know, some time ago I tried Python. And I was lost. And it happened 4 or 5 times. And one day I managed to force me to read tutorial. Now I hardly remember anything about Perl :-)
[11:30] <ogra> Bohhh: rc = release candidate
[11:30] <Bohhh> what's the difference between warty-rc-live and warty-release-install images ?
[11:30] <Bohhh> ok
[11:30] <Bohhh> but that's strange. rc is newer than release
[11:30] <travis> live is a livecd that requires no installation. You basically run Ubuntu from the cd
[11:30] <Bohhh> oh..interesting
[11:30] <ogra> __daniel: lol
[11:31] <alexey> travis, try rmmod ipv6, ping something, /sbin/lsmod | grep ipv6
[11:31] <Bohhh> is ubuntu solid?
[11:31] <LinuxJones> Bohhh, yes quite
[11:31] <travis> alexey, it says that it is in use. hmm
[11:31] <Bohhh> i hope it is not based on devfs , like sarge, which just failed in the installation process
[11:31] <ogra> Bohhh: 280 ppl in this room....mainly on ubuntu ;))
[11:32] <JasonS> hey could ayone help me with installation? after pressing enter on the boot prompt it tries to detect a bunch of thigns and stops (black screen) at framebuffer. how can i disable framebuffer?
[11:32] <RubenV> can i find the default repositories somewhere?
[11:32] <Pluk> even on amd64 its solid
[11:32] <|progenic|> is there no way to install .bin file in ubuntu ?
[11:32] <RubenV> i somehow managed to lose em
[11:32] <Zero-G> i'm on OSX, i'm just here to mess with your statistics
[11:32] <Pluk> :)
[11:32] <ogra> |progenic|: is it executable ?
[11:32] <Bohhh> ok, so i'll find everything about linux2.6, kde, latest xfree, lot of packages, right?
[11:33] <|progenic|> when i try using ./blabla.bin 
[11:33] <|progenic|> it stated permission denied
[11:33] <travis> alexey, or anyone, how do you rmmod a mod that's in use
[11:33] <RubenV> progenic: chmod+x it
[11:33] <ogra> |progenic|: chmod +x <filrename>
[11:33] <Pluk> rmmod -f ?
[11:33] <ogra> filename ;)
[11:34] <|progenic|> thx
[11:35] <JasonS> JasonS	hey could ayone help me with installation? after pressing enter on the boot prompt it tries to detect a bunch of thigns and stops (black screen) at framebuffer. how can i disable framebuffer?
[11:35] <travis> alexey, Xchat decided to quit, could you repeat your last message?
[11:35] <RubenV> can someone please paste the default /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere?
[11:36] <RubenV> preferably not in the channel ;)
[11:36] <PandU> Can somebody help i have installed nicotine and put a username and password but when i try to connect it gives invalid pass. Do i Have to creat a user at some site?
[11:36] <RubenV> just pick another username
[11:39] <HomoAcridien> How do I choose a profile in firefox, it asked once at first start but I can't control it now
[11:39] <HomoAcridien> ??
[11:40] <ogra> HomoAcridien: firefox -P <profilename>
[11:41] <ogra> HomoAcridien: or: firefox -ProfileManager
[11:41] <HomoAcridien> ogra: oki tx a lot 
[11:41] <ogra> HomoAcridien: firefox --help is pretty useful ;)
[11:42] <HomoAcridien> ogra: I don't doubt
[11:42] <moyogo> RubenV: how do i get a login:passwd ?
[11:42] <HomoAcridien> ogra: i used to launch it with one mouse click  shame on me
[11:42] <ogra> HomoAcridien: lol
[11:43] <moyogo> RubenV: yeah, you'd probably have to create a username:passwd somewhere
[11:43] <HomoAcridien> ogra: this &%$ fox has removed my bookmarks
[11:44] <HomoAcridien> ogra: from the default profile for no reason
[11:44] <RubenV> moyogo: no, just choose one
[11:44] <ogra> HomoAcridien: did you start it with sudo ?
[11:44] <RubenV> trust me, i've been there ;)
[11:44] <moyogo> RubenV: oh, ok, i guess i needed a username that wasn't taken already
[11:44] <moyogo> RubenV: I'm connected
[11:44] <RubenV> yes
[11:44] <ogra> HomoAcridien: this can break a lot
[11:45] <moyogo> RubenV: so that's it?
[11:45] <RubenV> can you please put your /etc/apt/sources.list in www.pastebin.com
[11:45] <RubenV> yes
[11:45] <RubenV> i'd really want to get my apt back on track
[11:45] <HomoAcridien> ogra: I installed gush with sudo so perhaps
[11:45] <HomoAcridien> ogra: gush launch the webbrowser to download an extension
[11:47] <ogra> HomoAcridien: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004838.html
[11:47] <matt__> hi again guys
[11:47] <matt__> how can i install the prelink command?
[11:47] <mirak_> hi hi
[11:48] <HomoAcridien> ogra: I have a backup happily for me, that guy I understand :-)
[11:49] <ogra> Matt|: sudo apt-get install prelink in a terminal probably ?
[11:50] <HomoAcridien> ogra: do you use  gaim for jabber ?
[11:50] <Matt|> ogra, that doesn't work: it can't find the package
[11:51] <__daniel> Matt|: this one was on the list:  sudo apt-get install prelink && sudo nice -15 prelink -Rmva
[11:52] <Matt|> __daniel, it may be that I do not have apt set up properly
[11:52] <Matt|> E: Package prelink has no installation candidate
[11:53] <ogra> HomoAcridien: icq and aim .... got no jabber account (yet ?)
[11:53] <Matt|> __daniel, I am very new to ubuntu and debian, can you tell me the best way to set up apt sources?
[11:53] <__daniel> Matt|, you have universe in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:53] <__daniel> Matt|, fire up synaptic
[11:53] <Matt|> __daniel, I do not have universe
[11:53] <__daniel> Matt|, add it
[11:53] <nickers> someone should setup a list of all these fringe apt sources
[11:53] <__daniel> Matt|, in the package sources
[11:54] <Matt|> __daniel, are there any disadvantages with adding universe?
[11:54] <ogra> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[11:54] <__daniel> Matt|, not really
[11:54] <Matt|> not really/
[11:54] <Matt|> ?
[11:54] <ogra> Bohhh: nice step ;)
[11:54] <__daniel> Matt|, you just have to download additional package lists each time
[11:55] <Matt|> __daniel, there is a warning in the sources file
[11:55] <Bohhh> ogra, really? i think kde is superior to gnome these das :)
[11:55] <Bohhh> days
[11:55] <__daniel> Matt|, what about?
[11:55] <mirak_> quick question?!.......p2p client in the repository??
[11:55] <Matt|> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[11:55] <Matt|> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[11:55] <Matt|> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[11:55] <Matt|> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[11:55] <Matt|> ## team.
[11:55] <nickers> hey is there a way to remove something without killing the dependecies? IE Evolution....its dependent on ubuntu-desktop
[11:56] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop is just a container
[11:56] <nickers> is there a emerge -C evolution type thingie
[11:56] <ogra> Bohhh: never :) but lets not argue about taste ;)
[11:56] <Pluk> if you remove that package it wonr break anything
[11:56] <Matt|> __daniel, there will be no updates to packages in universe?
[11:56] <GotD0t> you can remove evolution with no ill efects to any of its dependencies... but you cannot remove a dependency to an app without any ill effects to the app
[11:56] <__daniel> Matt|, well, you just stick to the ubuntu sources and you'll be alright
[11:56] <nickers> well i just want evolution data server to stop running
[11:56] <nickers> its killing me
[11:56] <Matt|> why would anyone remove evolution?
[11:57] <Matt|> ah
[11:57] <nickers> 54MiB taken of my memory
[11:57] <nickers> i love Evo...at work...at home Tbird is enough for simple imap
[11:57] <__daniel> Matt|, and stick to the link   ogra    gave you: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[11:57] <Matt|> __daniel, what do you mean, stick to it?
[11:57] <__daniel> nickers, there was a thread about it months ago on planet.gnome.org  54 mb isnt quite right
[11:57] <spiv> nickers: I doubt it's actually taking 54Mb... how are you measuring that?
[11:57] <__daniel> Matt|, read it, use it, learn from it ;-)
[11:58] <nickers> top
[11:58] <Matt|> __daniel, i prefer to edit the config file if possible ;)
[11:58] <nickers> or more precise gnome-system-monitor
[11:58] <spiv> nickers: http://www.livejournal.com/users/keybuk/2004/08/02/
[11:58] <spiv> nickers: Right, that's not at all accurate, as that that URL helps explain.
[11:58] <ogra> Matt|: it's described there too :)
[11:58] <Matt|> ok thanks guys
[11:59] <mirak_> why do everytime i restard i have to turn up "via gsx".....or i get no sound???
[11:59] <mirak_> restart*
[11:59] <__daniel> i like keybuk s use of language: "If your argument is that you don't want a GNOME application to load the GNOME libraries, well you're on crack." :-)