[12:00] <Matt|> what does evolution-data-server actually do?
[12:00] <Pizbit> Hehe
[12:00] <nickers> it pulls a lot into Gnome now
[12:00] <Matt|> and why doesn't it stop when evolution is closed?
[12:00] <RubenV> Matt: it maintains all data
[12:00] <nickers> if you look at your clock
[12:00] <nickers> it can put tasks and such
[12:00] <RubenV> it's the central data storage, used by lot's of gnome things
[12:00] <nickers> keeps everything integrated
[12:00] <RubenV> (and in the future even more things ;))
[12:00] <ogra> spiv: i love Keybuks writings about mem ;) he's like a surgeon
[12:00] <RubenV> *rebooting*
[12:01] <Pizbit> Is it for the addressbook applet for the gnome-panel?
[12:01] <nickers> part of it
[12:01] <Pizbit> Ah, that thing never works for me.
[12:01] <Matt|> well before I start evolution it is not there, and then afterwards it is always there
[12:01] <Matt|> i conclude i only need it for evolution
[12:01] <nickers> i love evolution but dont like all the tie-ins to gnome now
[12:03] <Matt|> nickers, hmm perhaps you are right
[12:04] <Matt|> is it difficult to export the evolution folders to other clients?
[12:04] <Zero-G> they are standard maildirs
[12:04] <Matt|> they are mbox?
[12:04] <__daniel> Matt|, no probem via IMAP :-)
[12:04] <Zero-G> maildir
[12:04] <nickers> Matt|, heck yeah....try doing an address book out
[12:04] <kmdr_winebago> hi i need help with installing ubuntu on an ibm r40e thinkpad. first boot froze upon the 'frame buffer' item so I used the appropriate option listed in help. now it freezes a step earlier, 'starting system log daemon syslogd, klogd". someone advised using the nolapic option, does not help
[12:04] <nickers> Oh wait....do everything one vcard at a time
[12:04] <Matt|> nickers, :(
[12:05] <nickers> Outlook Express version 3 even did csv
[12:05] <Zero-G> i don't have data in Evolution, it's all stored on my Exchange server
[12:05] <Zero-G> i can export it to any client under the sun
[12:05] <Badger9> all my address are stored on my sidekick.. and I can't sync that with evolution :(
[12:05] <Matt|> nickers you can't do them all at once?
[12:05] <adam_> hey everyone, i'm trying to dual boot ubuntu and windows, how do i know what to put as root in menu.lst?
[12:06] <nickers> Nope one by one....i did the transition because at the time i was running evo 1.5.9 cvs release and it wouldnt support fricken SSL certs!
[12:06] <ogra> adam: should be done automagic
[12:06] <nickers> Badger9, install multisync
[12:06] <nickers> Badger9, then do a syncml server on linu
[12:06] <nickers> linux
[12:06] <__daniel> nickers, does it work with evo2?
[12:06] <adam_> yea, it didn't find windows...
[12:06] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers!
[12:07] <__daniel> hellas jdub
[12:07] <ogra> goood morning jdub
[12:07] <Matt|> nickers, i have just saved all my contacts as a vcard and it seems to work
[12:07] <Badger9> hmm thanks nickers will give that a shot
"good morning mr. dub"</bored-school-kid>
[12:07] <nickers> __daniel, Yeah finally my thawte certs work...
[12:08] <__daniel> nickers, wow the lists on sourceforge told something else
[12:08] <spiv> jdub: I bet you'd say that even if you were a school teacher ;)
[12:08] <jdub> spiv: :-)
[12:08] <jdub> spiv: where are you atm?
[12:08] <spiv> Prague.
[12:08] <jdub> rad!
[12:08] <jdub> nice?
[12:08] <spiv> Very.
[12:08] <nickers> __daniel, if you look in bugtraq you will see me there :) It works now though
[12:08] <jdub> i'd love to have a guadec there
[12:09] <spiv> Eating out here is much cheaper than Majorca...
[12:09] <__daniel> nickers, cooooooooool *grabs syncml fast*
[12:09] <jdub> heh
[12:09] <jdub> spiv: did you chase-dead-skase?
[12:09] <nickers> __daniel, its the only way i can sync my Nokia 3650 with the puter over bluetooth
[12:09] <spiv> jdub: I thought about it :)
[12:09] <nickers> if you have internet you can actually do it over the web to your syncml server 
[12:09] <spiv> Too busy working and enjoying the beach ;)
[12:10] <jdub> heh
[12:10] <jdub> spiv: has the working-while-travelling aspect of it turned out well?
[12:10] <adam_> when i try to boot hd0,0 it gives me a filesystem problem...
[12:11] <spiv> jdub: It's a bit exhausting when you're moving around a lot.  We changed cities every four days or so in the US, so that was rough.
[12:11] <ogra> adam_: there should be brackets.....
[12:11] <spiv> It's been a bit easier now we're only changing cities every few weeks.
[12:11] <adam_> "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[12:12] <greatscot> I just downloaded and burned Ubuntu Linux and, man, it is nice!
[12:12] <Matt|> lol
[12:12] <adam_> my grub file has title Windows; root (hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1
[12:13] <Bohhh> greatscot, how is it?
[12:13] <ogra> adam_: everything in one row ??
[12:13] <adam_> No
[12:13] <Bohhh> greatscot, i am dwl it right now
[12:13] <toyowheelin> adam_ what problem are you having?
[12:13] <adam_> each comma is a line break
[12:13] <adam_> can't boot windows.
[12:13] <LinuxJones> Where can I disable ipv6 support from being loaded ? 
[12:13] <toyowheelin> adam_ enable LSB in the bios
[12:14] <toyowheelin> or
[12:14] <tmpy> which package has mysql docs? cant find, is it in the archive?
[12:14] <toyowheelin> yeah I think its lsb 
[12:14] <Bohhh> suppose i want to install kde after having installed ubuntu. is this possible wihout much trouble?
[12:14] <adam_> what's its stand for?
[12:14] <greatscot> Bohhh: I don't even like gnome, but this is SWEEEET!!! I may start using gnome again. It's beautiful and it seems the Ubuntu team chose good apps. Congrats to them!!!
[12:14] <ogra> adam_: toyo sounds good..... but it's called LBA
[12:14] <Bohhh> greatscot, i love kde, but i'll try gnome as well
[12:15] <greatscot> me too
[12:15] <Bohhh> last time i tried gnome it was 2.4
[12:15] <jdub> Bohhh: you have to enable universe, then you should jsut be able to apt-get install kde
[12:15] <Bohhh> now it is 2,8 right?
[12:15] <toyowheelin> ogra, thanks I got too manny tla's in my head
[12:15] <toyowheelin> three letter acronyms
[12:15] <ogra> toyowheelin: nevermind ;)
[12:16] <toyowheelin> lba is what it was though
[12:16] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:16] <Bohhh> greatscot, linux 2.6, right?
[12:16] <greatscot> Bohhh: don't know yet.
[12:16] <Bohhh> greatscot, could you do uname -a?
[12:16] <greatscot> yeah, hold on...
[12:17] <jdub> Bohhh: gnome 2.8, linux 2.6 (in warty)
[12:17] <toyowheelin> anyway adam_ if you enable lba it should boot
[12:17] <Bohhh> jdub, which version of 2.6?
[12:17] <greatscot> Bohhh:  2.6.7
[12:17] <Bohhh> cool
[12:17] <ogra> Bohhh: 2.6.8
[12:18] <ogra> greatscot: you should update ;)
[12:18] <greatscot> I just downloaded the rc2
[12:18] <ogra> Linux monkey 2.6.8.1-3-686 #1
[12:18] <jdub> 2.6.8.1 + patches
[12:18] <Matt|> does anyone here use xchat?
[12:18] <Bohhh> they update everytime a stable release is out? so what about 2.6.9 now?
[12:18] <ogra> yep
[12:18] <MyKq3> is it pasabule that i didn't had any (aptget) updates ?
[12:18] <MyKq3> for the last week ?
[12:19] <ogra> MyKq3: only two pkgs (security stuff)
[12:19] <Pluk> just compile the newest kernel yourself if you want it :)
[12:19] <nickers> i use xchat
[12:19] <Pluk> uname[Linux Aragorn 2.6.9-amd64 #5 Sun Oct 24 21:44:18 CEST 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux] 
[12:19] <tmpy> yo guys, i know that mysql-docs is on non-free in debian, is it available in ubuntu?? 
[12:20] <Matt|> nickers, you know why i have upgraded my whole system but yet xchat is still on 2.0.8?
[12:20] <nickers> is there a newer ver out?
[12:20] <nickers> its my latest
[12:20] <adam_> how do u unable LSB support?
[12:20] <Matt|> 2.4.0 is latest
[12:20] <ogra> Pluk: not on mine.... but as it's a doc package you should be able to pick the debian .deb
[12:20] <Matt|> it's 3 or 4 versions behind
[12:21] <adam_> how do u enable LBA?
[12:21] <adam_> now LSB
[12:21] <nickers> i recommend sticking with what you got till ubuntu puts it in there repos
[12:21] <toyowheelin> adam_ its LBA 
[12:21] <adam_> *not
[12:21] <Matt|> nickers, ok
[12:21] <Matt|> :(
[12:21] <toyowheelin> I had it wrong sorry about that
[12:21] <toyowheelin> its in the bios
[12:21] <adam_> yea, how do u enable LBA
[12:21] <ogra> s/Pluk/tmpy/
[12:21] <adam_> What's it usually called?
[12:21] <adam_> i can't find it.
[12:21] <nickers> if there is something you want thats only in the new one....then edit your sources.lst and enable universe and shoot from there
[12:21] <Pluk> :)
[12:21] <ogra> adam: Logical Block access
[12:21] <toyowheelin> Large Block Addressing
[12:22] <toyowheelin> *Logical
[12:22] <toyowheelin> damn it I should just shut up now
[12:22] <ogra> toyowheelin: ok , this time you won ;)
[12:22] <travis> ok, I can't get domain lookup to go faster, I uncommented the line in whichever file I was supposed to, rmmod ipv6 tells me that it's in use, and if I force it, it crashes gdm
[12:22] <thomaes> hello, ive got a problem, how can i listen to mp3s in rhythmbox?
[12:22] <toyowheelin> ogra, is more on his game today than I am
[12:22] <adam_> how do u enable it?
[12:22] <adam_> i don't see an option.
[12:23] <ogra> toyowheelin: not really, we both mied it aup this time *g*
[12:23] <ogra> mixed
[12:23] <toyowheelin> adam_ prolly in the IDE config
[12:23] <Matt|> ok thunderbird can't seem to import evolution mail
[12:23] <ogra> adam_: in your BIOS
[12:24] <Matt|> what's up there?
[12:24] <spiv> thomaes: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:24] <toyowheelin> adam_ what bios do you have?
[12:24] <thomaes> can anybody help me? rhythmbox needs a plugin to play mp3s, how do i install it??
[12:24] <travis> I can deal with long waits for domain name resolution, but does anyone know why grub won't let me boot windows, and how I can get it back? The partition is fine, grub's configuration is set up properly... I don't get it.
[12:25] <travis> it's the same problem that I had in fedora a while back, that apparently a LOT of people had
[12:25] <toyowheelin> travis, LBA in the bios should fix it
[12:25] <spiv> thomaes: Instructions are at the link I just gave -- you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:25] <ogra> thomaes: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <travis> toywheelin, disable it or enable it? I believe it's enabled.
[12:25] <thomaes> thx spiv
[12:26] <toyowheelin> travis, its prolly set to automatic set it to enabled
[12:26] <travis> ok will do.
[12:26] <Matt|> THUNDERBIRD doesn't seem to be able to import vcards either :(
[12:26] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:26] <travis> before I try that, I completely forgot how to add a module to startup. I need the nvidia module to load at start up.
[12:26] <LinuxJones> travis,  in  /etc/modprobe.d/aliases change alias net-pf-10 ipv6 to read alias net-pf-10 off. That will stop ipv6 from being loaded @ next boot.
[12:27] <nickers> Matt|, Welcome to my world
[12:27] <nickers> there are some converters to get them to another format
[12:27] <angrylogic> Anyone having issues with USB not being automounted in Ubuntu or know a work around?
[12:28] <travis> Thanks LinuxJones
[12:28] <LinuxJones> travis, add nvidia to /etc/modules 
[12:28] <LinuxJones> sure ;)
[12:28] <monteiro> does kernel 2.6.9 go to ubuntu apt ?
[12:28] <toyowheelin> I sent a nasty-gram to ATI to show them how disapointed I was with them not havig 64bit radeon drivers for linux
[12:28] <atomsk> ...here goes, my radio tuner (Hauppauge WinTV PCI) doesnt work under Ubuntu. Any ideas how to fix it? I dont have the /dev/radio entry :/
[12:28] <nickers> atomsk, lspci
[12:28] <travis> and thanks again LJ :) going to try all these out. May be back soon
[12:29] <Pluk> hehe me2 toyowheelin 
[12:29] <Pluk> it really sux!
[12:29] <Pluk> gonna sell my ati
[12:29] <Pluk> ive had it
[12:29] <nickers> linux is all nvidia
[12:29] <toyowheelin> lol I am thinking about it 
[12:29] <toyowheelin> and get an Nvidia
[12:29] <paulproteus> No, stick with ATI!
[12:29] <nickers> i dont care if they suck monkey toes in certain benchmarks...it works like a charm
[12:29] <paulproteus> They have Free Software drivers....
[12:30] <Pluk> i dont care about free drivers when im gaming... :)
[12:30] <toyowheelin> Pluk, what ATI do u have
[12:30] <atomsk> nickers: what should I search for?
[12:30] <Pluk> 9800 pro
[12:30] <toyowheelin> same here
[12:30] <nickers> Happuage
[12:30] <toyowheelin> works great in windows
[12:30] <mirak_> hey guys?
[12:30] <Pluk> yup indeed
[12:30] <nickers> atomsk Happuage
[12:30] <mirak_> how to install from tar.gz?
[12:30] <nickers> mirak_, tar xvfz file.tar.gz
[12:31] <ogra> mirak_: what ?
[12:31] <nickers> cd file
[12:31] <nickers> ./configure; make; make install; make clean
[12:31] <atomsk> nickers: I only see the bttv stuff...
[12:31] <Matt|> nickers, know any other good mail programs which CAN import easily evolution files?
[12:31] <Matt|> i'm gonna try mozilla-mail next
[12:31] <toyowheelin> Pluk, what processor do u have
[12:32] <ogra> mirak_: what do you want to install from tgz ?
[12:32] <nickers> atomsk, bttv is good :)
[12:32] <nickers> atomsk, what does it do when you open your tv program
[12:32] <Pluk> 3000+
[12:32] <toyowheelin> oh
[12:32] <ccox> hmmmm what is difference with this xchat 2.4.0?
[12:32] <Pluk> got it when it came out 1st
[12:32] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:32] <toyowheelin> I have the 3400+
[12:32] <jamaas> could someone help me mount an external hard drive, I just changed from Mandrake to Ubuntu and it doesn't find the disk when booting.  Thanks  Jim
[12:33] <atomsk> nickers: well its just the radio tuner that I need for now the TV cable is not in yet... :)
[12:33] <Pluk> cou;dnt wait nomore, came from a dual p2-400 :D
[12:33] <Matt|> ccox, not sure. they are 3 versions in between i think. presume security updates and some features
[12:33] <nickers> atomsk, so you want just radio?
[12:33] <atomsk> yeah
[12:33] <ccox> hmmmm
[12:33] <ccox> oh well
[12:33] <nickers> well if lspci sees it all is well
[12:33] <nickers> what app are you using atomsk
[12:33] <toyowheelin> Pluk, have you got java JRE working
[12:33] <Pluk> check cat /proc/partitions
[12:33] <atomsk> nickers: radio
[12:35] <Pluk> not yet, just installed ubuntu today
[12:35] <toyowheelin> Pluk, I dont think there is a 64bit JRE
[12:35] <nickers> atomsk, i dont know that one
[12:35] <nickers> atomsk, http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=532
[12:35] <suix> hi
[12:35] <travis> OK I can get into Windows for work now, nvidia module loads at start up, but domain name resolving still takes about 15 seconds, and it's close to instant on all the other pc's in our apartment. I've edited /etc/modutils/aliases AND /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. Anything else I can do?
[12:36] <ogra> hi suix
[12:36] <Pluk> theres one on www.blackdown.org
[12:36] <jdub> travis: what's in /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf?
[12:36] <Zero-G> a bunch of text
[12:36] <Pluk> toyowheelin, 64bit jre is on www.blackdown.org
[12:36] <Pluk> gonna check it now
[12:36] <Matt|> nickers, looks like mozilla-mail uses the same importer as thunderbird: no dice
[12:37] <toyowheelin> Pluk, humm cool I will have to install it and play
[12:37] <Pluk> too bad theres no flash yet
[12:37] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:37] <Pluk> love those small addictive games :P
[12:37] <suix> does anyone konw how to make work divx on ubuntu?
[12:37] <Matt|> suix
[12:37] <Pluk> apt-get install xine-ui
[12:37] <toyowheelin> flash is the worst part of having 64bit
[12:37] <Matt|> the usual url
[12:37] <Matt|> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:37] <suix> it dont work
[12:38] <suix> :S
[12:38] <travis> in /etc/hosts there's one line with default ipv4 stuff, and 5 lines for default ipv6 stuff. resolv.conf has my nameservers, and they're correct
[12:38] <Matt|> :(
[12:45] <jdub> suix: apt-get install totem-xine, then installw32codecs from marillat's repository
[12:45] <ogra> suix: is your system up to date ? is universe enabled ? (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto)
[12:45] <suix> ok...
[12:45] <jdub> travis: are you having dns name resolution problems, or windows name resolution problems?
[12:45] <suix> it maybe the movie
[12:45] <suix> good night
[12:45] <Matt|> marillat's repository?
[12:45] <travis> jdub, it's when I am opening a website. It says "resolving www.whatever.com" for about 10-15 seconds, when on other pcs it's close to instant
[12:45] <toyowheelin> Pluk, whats the diff between jdk and jre
[12:45] <ccox> jdub: where is merillat's repository?
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <Matt|> lol
[12:45] <mirak_> nicker, ./configure doesnt work
[12:45] <ogra> ccox: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <brettcar> toyowheelin: JDK includes tools for development
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, ./configure doesnt work
[12:45] <brettcar> toyowheelin: JRE just includes tools for running Java programs
[12:45] <toyowheelin> brettcar, so they will both run java apps?
[12:45] <joem> sparkes, wc?
[12:45] <brettcar> Yes
[12:45] <toyowheelin> cool
[12:45] <toyowheelin> thanks
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, what does it say
[12:45] <jamaas> anyone help me mount an external hard drive... please ?  :-)
[12:45] <francois_> hello all
[12:45] <ogra> mirak_: what do you try to install ?
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, nvm ...figured it out....had to cd to the directory
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, Yeah need to be in it to configure...let me know if it gets hung up
[12:45] <mirak_> nickers, but it appears "make" bombed on me
[12:45] <nickers> mirak_, what app? and where did the make bomb?
[12:45] <toyowheelin> 12MB takes forever when the server is only letting you have it at 70KB/s
[12:45] <toyowheelin> :/
[12:45] <francois_> when playing a dvd with totem I got an error message saying that I can't read such a media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) due to a plugin I don't have
[12:45] <francois_> what is this plugin and how can I get it ?
[12:45] <travis> anyone have any clues?
[12:45] <toyowheelin> about what travis
[12:46] <ogra> francois_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <nickers> francois_, what plugins do you have? ahhh ogra good call :0
[12:46] <travis> toywheelin: sorry bout that. About how to speed up domain name resolving
[12:46] <toyowheelin> oh...
[12:46] <toyowheelin> humm
[12:46] <francois_> ogra, ok I check
[12:46] <toyowheelin> I dont know sorry
[12:49] <Pluk> toyowheelin, java works ok
[12:49] <francois_> ogra, still got the problem
[12:49] <francois_> rework your macros :)
[12:49] <toyowheelin> Pluk, yup I got it working as well
[12:49] <ogra> francous_: after you installed libdvdcss ?
[12:49] <francois_> yes
[12:50] <francois_> I think it was not related with the error messahe
[12:50] <toyowheelin> Pluk, thanks for showing me that site
[12:58] <toyowheelin> it is an outdated version of java
[12:58] <Matt|> ogra you could put that link in the topic
[12:58] <toyowheelin> but it works
[12:58] <francois_> ogra, no, it was still running...
[12:58] <francois_> but now it crashes
[12:58] <francois_> when I click on "play disc"
[12:58] <francois_> totem disappears
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, when you went in your bios was LBA set to auto?
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: have you got totem-xine installed ?
[12:58] <francois_> but I don't have the message anymore, that's the good point
[12:58] <Pluk> 1.4.2 it is
[12:58] <francois_> yeah ogra
[12:58] <Pluk> dunno where suns java is now?
[12:58] <francois_> I have got it
[12:58] <francois_> but it crashes
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: hmm
[12:58] <toyowheelin> Pluk, oh... I was thinking 2.somthin
[12:58] <ogra> hi WW
[12:58] <WW> Hello world.
[12:58] <toyowheelin> but no its at 1.4.2
[12:58] <WW> ogra: Hey
[12:58] <Pluk> ah ok
[12:58] <toyowheelin> so its not outdated I guess
[12:58] <Pluk> :D
[12:58] <ogra> WW: you told me i should not drop the idea yesterday, remember ?
[12:58] <travis> toywheelin, sure was :) Setting it to LBA worked fine. I just don't get why it worked fine in gentoo and debian, but not ubuntu
[12:58] <Pluk> well at least 1 problem tackled
[12:58] <Pluk> now only flash and ati drivers :D
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, same thing happend to me 
[12:58] <Pluk> and then im ok i think
[12:58] <travis> oops, I keep leaving out the O in toyOwheelin
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:58] <toyowheelin> yeah
[12:58] <WW> ogra: Right... have you written a manifesto?
[12:58] <ogra> WW: rather something like a draft *g* : http://www.grawert.net/p2p.pdf
[12:58] <toyowheelin> Pluk, ati wont happen and flash may not ether
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lo
[12:58] <francois_> ogra : I straced totem, here is what I got :
[12:58] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:58] <francois_> The program 'totem' received an X Window System error.
[12:58] <francois_> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[12:58] <francois_> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[12:58] <francois_>   (Details: serial 90 error_code 11 request_code 142 minor_code 19)
[12:58] <Pluk> hehe dammit toyowheelin now im depressed!
[12:58] <Pluk> :P
[12:58] <toyowheelin> ATI hasent got 64bit drivers yet
[12:58] <Pluk> crappy ati
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: looks bad.... what kind of video HW have you got ?
[12:58] <toyowheelin> and I dont think there is a 64bit flash
[12:58] <Pluk> i can put my gf2mx in
[12:58] <Pluk> :)
[12:58] <francois_> ogra, an old ati rage 128
[12:58] <Pluk> ooops
[12:58] <Pluk> wrong x
[12:58] <toyowheelin> haha
[12:58] <toyowheelin> travis, whats in your resolv.conf
[12:58] <adam_> toyowheelin: nope, no 64Bit flash
[12:58] <adam_> i emailed them aout it bu they sent me to the 32Bit one LOL dumbass tech support
[12:58] <toyowheelin> adam_ didnt think so
[12:58] <travis> toyowheelin, my 3 dns servers, with "search rdfr.va.charter.net" at the top
[12:58] <ogra> francois_: got no idea, you probably should try mplayer....
[12:59] <mjr> the flash buggers should just free the viewer and make their money in content creation
[01:05] <toyowheelin> travis, are you behind a NAT router?
[01:05] <Pluk> travis, whats in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:05] <travis> toyowheelin: I THINK so. All the pcs on my network share the same IP
[01:05] <toyowheelin> travis put your nat router as the first DNS server and see what happens
[01:05] <travis> Pluk: "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback" "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" "name Ethernet LAN card"
[01:05] <ploum> mplayer doesn't work on my ubuntu :-(
[01:05] <ploum> zsh: illegal hardware instruction 
[01:05] <ogra> ploum: how did you install it ?
[01:05] <travis> brb
[01:05] <ploum> from multiverse
[01:05] <jdub> ploum: there's a problem with the mplayer packages atm
[01:05] <ploum> jdub, ok, so this is not me
[01:05] <ploum> thanks.. That's all I need to know :-)
[01:05] <ploum> anyone have an idea to play a mov file that say "main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `QDM2'." (I have video but no sound)
[01:05] <cardador> ploum: did you install the w32codecs?
[01:05] <__daniel> ploum, you could run  file   on it and check if it really is a .mov file
[01:05] <ogra> jdub: will the marillat version nr. get overruled by the multiverse pkg ? 
[01:05] <siimo> hi does ubuntu have its own apt mirrors for its own packages?
[01:05] <WW> ogra: Interesting idea.  It raises quite a few questions, but I need to think a bit more about it (and this channel is not the place for it). 
[01:05] <ogra> WW: zthats true ;)
[01:05] <seb128> ploum: 
   QDM2 is unsupported
   we have no opensource codec for that
[01:06] <seb128> ploum: from one of my IRC logs
[01:06] <LinuxJones> siimo, yes
[01:06] <siimo> LinuxJones, whats the link?
[01:07] <seb128> ploum: dunno with what you are trying to read it
[01:21] <MadHunter> Hello
[01:21] <toyowheelin> travis, did that change anything?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ 
[01:21] <siimo> ty
[01:21] <MadHunter> Where might I find a place to download Ubuntu packages? The system I have Ubuntu on (a laptop) currently does not have access to the internet, so I need to find a place to download the packages from to put them onto CD's.
[01:21] <siimo> do these packages mix well with the offical debian ones?
[01:21] <siimo> also the packages from debian ubuntu uses are they woody/sarge/sid ?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: why should one do this ?
[01:21] <LinuxJones> siimo, you need the repository list 1 sec
[01:21] <limaunion> hi, does anyone know how to solve a conflict between to network interfaces ? dmesg shows two different NICs trying to use eth0 
[01:21] <limaunion> to=two
[01:21] <siimo> because unbunto doesn't have it's version of all the packages ?
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: right, but 98% are there ;)
[01:21] <ogra> i guess...
[01:21] <siimo> 98% of debian repository are you serious  :O
[01:21] <ogra> siimo: it's simply been synced with sid once (in August i think)
[01:21] <LinuxJones> siimo, there are like 14,000 packages available
[01:21] <WW> ogra: (end of June, actually)
[01:21] <siimo> oic so they are the exact same packages - or recompiled ?
[01:21] <MadHunter> Where might I find a place to download Ubuntu packages? The system I have Ubuntu on (a laptop) currently does not have access to the internet, so I need to find a place to download the packages from to put them onto CD's.
[01:21] <ogra> WW: wow, this early.... didn't know
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: don't use ubuntu packages with debian packages, it's strongly discouraged
[01:21] <siimo> MadHunter, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  if you scroll up
[01:21] <smo> "apt-cache stats" shows 13687 "Normal" packages on my ubuntu box, and 14278 on my Sarge one .. 98% may actually be underestimating it
[01:21] <WW> siimo: recompiled
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: ubuntu is based on debian sid; we froze in late june
[01:21] <MadHunter> I was perusing that link, but could not find individual packages there.
[01:21] <siimo> MadHunter, look in pool dir
[01:21] <siimo> and its alphabetical subdirs
[01:21] <siimo> jdub, what about updates then ;-)
[01:21] <ogra> __daniel: this reminds me...thanks
[01:21] <MadHunter> Ah, pool. Hehe. The one I hadn't tried yet. :) Thanks.
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: we release every six months
[01:21] <danieldogwalk> ogra, :-)
[01:21] <danieldogwalk> ogra, we'll be out chasing bunnies ;-)
[01:21] <ogra_dogwalk> yep
[01:21] <siimo> jdub, no i mean software updates for example mozilla-firefox 1.0 is exprected before 6 months, gaim releases every 3-4 weeks :( or will people have to wait for the release cycle to get any new official packages at all
[01:21] <jdub> siimo: new software comes with new releases, it would not be supportable any other way
[01:21] <siimo> so you have not considered a updates repository as such for small module software that will be easily updatable
[01:21] <siimo> modular i mean
[01:21] <jdub> we have a security repository and an updates repository for non-security bugfixes
[01:21] <jdub> we will not be upgrading software willy-nilly on a stable release
[01:21] <jdub> it would not be supportable
[01:21] <siimo> no i do not mean upgrading the actual release
[01:21] <Pluk> nite all
[01:21] <siimo> oh ok so you will release an update when gaim stops working for a certain protocol in the bugfixes repository :-) 
[01:21] <Matt|> hiya
[01:22] <Matt|> any idea how to solve the following error?
[01:22] <siimo> because gaim 1.0.2 is out and contains several bugfixes
[01:22] <Matt|> Totem could not play 'rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm?mode=compact'.
[01:22] <Matt|> Failed to open; reason unknown
[01:22] <siimo> Matt|, lol reason unknown
[01:22] <Matt|> can totem play rm streams?
[01:22] <Matt|> can anyone else play this file?
[01:23] <Despair> weird. chromium bsu segfaults on amd64 if there is a ~/.chromium-score from a 32bit run.
[01:23] <siimo> im trying
[01:23] <siimo> yes i can play
[01:23] <Bohhh> why is ubuntu 1 cd, while sarge is 11 cds?
[01:23] <siimo> im using xine though
[01:24] <siimo> Bohhh, i guess it only has the base required packages for a fully functioning desktop later you can get more software
[01:24] <francois_> good night
[01:24] <Matt|> siimo have you got any realplayer plugins installed or something?
[01:25] <siimo> Matt|, w32codes package 
[01:25] <Matt|> siimo i have that installed
[01:25] <siimo> from here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[01:25] <Matt|> i have em
[01:26] <mirak_> can anyone help with tvtime???.............it crashes about 30 seconds after it starts?
[01:26] <siimo> i think real media is disabled by default does the plugin show up in firefox?
[01:26] <Matt|> erm
[01:26] <Matt|> hang on
[01:27] <Matt|> doesn't show up
[01:27] <siimo> Matt|, you might want to install real player 
[01:27] <siimo> the new version is very nice
[01:27] <Matt|> siimo, have you got it installed?
[01:28] <siimo> yes i have it but i can play in xine too
[01:28] <siimo> Matt|, https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=154 get  >> RealPlayer 10.0.1 Final Release
[01:29] <Matt|> i can get it through apt?
[01:29] <siimo> don't think so it comes with its own installer - download the .bin file
[01:32] <mirak_> umm guys............tvtime is now making my computer crash, as well....err stop responding
[01:33] <mirak_> can anyone help?
[01:33] <Matt|> does anyone else have any more ideas about that rm streaming file?
[01:33] <Matt|> sorry mirak_
[01:33] <Matt|> no idea
[01:34] <__daniel> mirak_, try starting it from the console and look for error messages
[01:34] <__daniel> Matt|, get realplayer-installer (or a likely package) from marillats rop
[01:34] <__daniel> repo
[01:34] <Matt|> __daniel, ok, it asks me for some input though, and I don't know what to put in
[01:35] <__daniel> Matt|, hm
[01:35] <__daniel> Matt|, what does it say?
[01:35] <mirak_> __daniel, kk....i will try
[01:35] <Matt|> __daniel, i have read the instructions better now, and can deal
[01:35] <ogra_dogwalk> mistwetter
[01:36] <__daniel> ogra, hier auch
[01:36] <ogra> thunderstorm here :(
[01:36] <mirak_> __daniel, it gave some meassages.....i dont like em
[01:36] <__daniel> ogra, only 4 bunnies weren't sitting in their hidey holes
[01:36] <ogra> lol
[01:36] <__daniel> mirak_, try to be more specific :-)
[01:37] <ogra> mirak_: does this happen with the ubuntu package ?
[01:38] <mirak_> ogra, yes...i think.....i got tvtime from apt-get
[01:38] <ogra> mirak_: show us the errors
[01:39] <mirak_> it is big...........cannot paste here
[01:42] <ogra> soes anyone  know if  DI_GreedyH.dll is in win32codecs ?
[01:43] <__daniel> ogra, libdscaler: usr/lib/win32/DI_GreedyH.dll
[01:43] <ogra> mirak_: install this one
[01:44] <mirak_> kk
[01:44] <mirak_> ogra, what __daniel said?
[01:44] <ogra> yep
[01:44] <ogra> libdscaler
[01:44] <mirak_> how......that si just a file path
[01:44] <__daniel> mirak_, yes: sudo apt-get install libdscaler
[01:44] <mirak_> oh...libscaler...ok
[01:44] <Tenniru> I have a question about RythmBox. I think this is the right place to ask.
[01:45] <__daniel> lib_D_scaler
[01:45] <Tenniru> When I add a song to my music library, it doesn't appear.
[01:45] <Tenniru> And when I try to play any streaming radio, it just locks up.
[01:45] <Tenniru> What do I do? Just use another player?
[01:45] <ogra> Tenniru: no error msg ?
[01:45] <Tenniru> No, it just locks.
[01:45] <WW> Tenniru: How do you add the song?
[01:46] <Tenniru> Right- click and Add To Music Library or whatever it's called.
[01:46] <Tenniru> It does not appear.
[01:46] <mirak_> ogra, __daniel, still broken
[01:47] <mirak_> ogra, if i uninstall it and reinstal it....same thing happens....is there anyway to set it to default?
[01:47] <mirak_> ogra, like i never installed in the first place?
[01:47] <__daniel> mirak_, EXACTLY the same messages?
[01:47] <ogra> Tenniru: probably :https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2691
[01:47] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[01:48] <mirak_> __daniel, a bit different this time....but close
[01:48] <Tenniru> Now, I tried switching to XMMS when I hit this snag.
[01:48] <calc> anyone know how to setup wpa in ubuntu?
[01:48] <calc> i need to enable wpa-psk on my wireless card
[01:48] <burner> wpa is a new one for me
[01:48] <calc> wep is useless
[01:48] <Tenniru> It will not stay on a skin. When I select a skin and then turn off the program, the program went back to default when I tried turning it on again.
[01:48] <burner> not if you don't transfera lot
[01:49] <burner> it would take forever to capture enough packets to crack it
[01:49] <ogra> mirak_: show them
[01:49] <mirak_> mirak@ubuntu:~ $ tvtime
[01:49] <mirak_> Running tvtime 0.9.12.
[01:49] <mirak_> Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
[01:49] <mirak_> Reading configuration from /home/mirak/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <mirak_> videoinput: Can't read frame. Error was: Input/output error (0).
[01:49] <calc> burner: only takes a few hundred MB of transfer iirc
[01:49] <mirak_> Segmentation fault
[01:49] <mirak_> there
[01:49] <calc> burner: so maybe a few days on a lightly used network, vs a few min on a heavily used one
[01:49] <burner> exactly
[01:49] <calc> so wep is still useless
[01:50] <burner> for my home network, wep would work... if i didn't open it up to everyone anyway
[01:50] <calc> a few days to crack is still nothing for a non-moving ap ;)
[01:50] <__daniel> mirak_, you know if your video device is correctly set up?
[01:50] <ogra> mirak_: have you got a /dev/video ?
[01:50] <ogra> *g*
[01:50] <mirak_> __daniel, it was working.......
[01:50] <Matt|> lol
[01:50] <mirak_> ogra, same to you
[01:50] <Matt|> i can't even get wep with my card
[01:51] <mirak_> sh*t....gtg....im late..............thnx for your help guys
[01:51] <Bohhh> ok
[01:51] <Bohhh> it is burning 
[01:51] <__daniel> bye mirak_
[01:51] <Bohhh> damn, it's 1x
[01:51] <Bohhh> i have to wait 1.25 hours
[01:51] <blahrus> ogra: you still around/
[01:51] <blahrus> ?
[01:51] <rwabel> hi
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > by the way, Ubuntu's website doesnt say much about support for a Geforce2 Video Card. Is it safe to assume, it is supported?
[01:52] <ogra> blahrus: yep
[01:52] <rwabel> is it normal that with ubuntu alsa is not included. at least no complet. I don't have an alsaconf
[01:52] <calc> so it appears ubuntu doesn't have the wpa supplicant package, is that correct?
[01:52] <__daniel> [Phaedrus] , yes
[01:52] <Bohhh> [Phaedrus] , only god knows
[01:52] <blahrus> ogra: do you use k3b at all?
[01:52] <tvon> anyone use make-kpkg?  Should the --initrd option go through okay?
[01:52] <calc> or is there some other way to set it up under ubuntu?
[01:52] <ogra> blahrus: no, i'm fine with nautilus
[01:52] <blahrus> ogra: I am trying to burn a music cd from mp3s
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > heh.. thanks __daniel
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > Very funny Bohhh
[01:53] <Bohhh> :)
[01:53] <blahrus> ogra: but when it tries to cd up kde it asks for the root password to set up the prog and well there is no root
[01:53] <Bohhh> i am ok with my g400
[01:53] <Bohhh> i don't need anything better
[01:53] <__daniel> Bohhh, i don't even know which nvidia adaptor i got :-)
[01:53] <Bohhh> ghgh
[01:54] <blahrus> anyone using k3b/
[01:54] <blahrus> ?
[01:54] <ogra> blahrus: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo?action=highlight&value=k3b
[01:54] <Bohhh> blahrus, no, but i am using cdrecord
[01:54] <__daniel> blahrus, i used to use it when i was with debian
[01:54] <Bohhh> right now
[01:54] <Bohhh> k3b doesn't support parallel burners, so it's unuseful for me
[01:54] <blahrus> Bohhh: is there a way to make audio cds with mp3s in cdrecord?
[01:54] <ogra> blahrus: mp3burn is good too if you like the commandline ;)
[01:55] <Bohhh> blahrus, of course. you have to convert it to wav with some application ,then burn it with cdrtools
[01:55] <blahrus> hum . . . .
[01:55] <blahrus> ogra: is mp3burn easy to use?
[01:55] <burner> eroaster is easy!
[01:56] <ogra> blahrus: as easy as cdrecord *g*
[01:56] <blahrus> i am not big on the command line
[01:56] <blahrus> :)
[01:56] <blahrus> i would like to get better
[01:56] <__daniel> blahrus, you will be :-)
[01:56] <Bohhh> man cdrecord :)
[01:56] <ogra> blahrus: and man mp3burn
[01:57] <blahrus> ogra: well that would be so nice of you
[01:58] <blahrus> I just tried "mp3burn -p /home/blahrus/Straylight_Run-Straylight_Run-\(Unmastered_Advance\)-2004-iND/00-straylight_run-straylight_run-\(unmastered_advance\)-2004-ind.m3u"
[01:58] <ogra> blahrus: but takes it's time....
[01:58] <blahrus> it didn't liek that to much
[01:58] <blahrus> ogra: is there a setup I have to do first?
[01:58] <ogra> blahrus: leave the m3u, just list the songs
[01:58] <blahrus> ok 
[01:58] <blahrus> space between each song then?
[01:59] <ogra> blahrus: should work, try it....
[02:00] <blahrus> "Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority()"
[02:00] <blahrus> do I have to be root?
[02:00] <blahrus> or sudo in ubuntu
[02:01] <ogra> blahrus: try it
[02:01] <blahrus> "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[02:01] <blahrus> no go
[02:01] <ogra> balh: sudo modprobe sg
[02:02] <blahrus> ogra:  .. . . . 
[02:02] <blahrus> nothing happened
[02:02] <__daniel> guys, i'm off to bed
[02:02] <__daniel> sleep tight
[02:02] <ogra> sleep well daniel
[02:02] <__daniel> you too ogra :-)
[02:02] <salman> Any XLib programmers here?
[02:03] <ogra> blahrus: no errors, thats good
[02:03] <blahrus> ogra: sounds good
[02:04] <blahrus> ogra: so what do I need to do now
[02:04] <ogra> blahrus: what i normally do is: set up a file containing the songnames (one by line) and then use this file with -p
[02:05] <salman> Is there a command line utility like 'xwininfo' that lets the user move/resize a window given exact size and offset?
[02:06] <blahrus> ogra: save it as what type of file?
[02:06] <salman> I want to be able to click on a window and specify a geometry spec like '200x200+15+80'
[02:07] <Bohhh> : still burning
[02:07] <bern> as there a good program to use to listen to online music streams
[02:07] <bern> i can seem to get xmms or rhythmbox to play online streams
[02:07] <Bohhh> bern, xmms
[02:07] <bern> can't*
[02:07] <optyk> mpg321
[02:07] <bern> Bohhh: 
[02:07] <bern> Bohhh: it won't work for me
[02:07] <Bohhh> -11625 from ATIP
[02:08] <bern> Bohhh: is there some sort of dependencies i need for streaming music
[02:08] <Bohhh> ops sorry
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, press ctrl+l
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, press ctrl+l under xmms
[02:08] <Bohhh> bern, insert the url and go with it
[02:08] <Bohhh> burned! i am ready to install ubuntu!
[02:08] <Bohhh> good luck !
[02:09] <nickers> is there any special reason why there is no thumbnail view in nautilus? in gentoo it auto compiled with it
[02:09] <nickers> is there a package i need to install
[02:10] <bern> can someone tell me if this stream works for them
[02:10] <bern> http://www.digitallyimported.com/mp3/trance96k.pls
[02:10] <blahrus> nope
[02:10] <blahrus> anyone else had any luck with mp3 burn?
[02:10] <bern> i was just told you can't stream playlists
[02:11] <optyk> works for me
[02:12] <optyk> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[02:12] <ogra_> blahrus: ?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> blahrus, yes it plays fine
[02:12] <Matt|> i have just run PRELINK -afR and I got a host of errors. Does anyone know if this is normal? in the past with other distributions this has not happened to me!
[02:12] <blahrus> ogra_: up I am here
[02:13] <aitrus> bern: i'm listening to di's vocal trance right now
[02:13] <zaydana> hey guys... i just downloaded and burnt a wart CD but it told me i couldn't install the locales. You think its just a bad burn? Or is there something known that goes wrong?
[02:13] <travis> toyowheelin: setting the first dns to my router didn't work.
[02:14] <toyowheelin> travis, oh well it was worth a shot
[02:14] <travis> :) yeah. Sorry for the delay, we went out for dinner
[02:14] <toyowheelin> oh :)
[02:15] <pocolocococo> ha ha 
[02:15] <zaydana> or i probs should ask did anybody else have trouble when it came to installing the locales file?
[02:15] <bern> aitrus: hehe i haven't listened to techno in a while
[02:15] <bern> thought it was about time to mix it up
[02:15] <Matt|> i have just run PRELINK -afR and I got a host of errors. Does anyone know if this is normal? in the past with other distributions this has not happened to me! <-- anyone know anything about this????
[02:16] <jdub> Matt|: don't bother with prelink
[02:16] <toyowheelin> travis, I have 2 dns servers one is my own and the other is my router which is a dns forwarder to my isps dns servers
[02:16] <Matt|> jdub, how come?
[02:16] <jdub> it's not worth the trouble
[02:16] <jdub> we do some linker optimisation for the gnome packages
[02:16] <Matt|> jdub, it does not improve the speed?
[02:16] <jdub> no
[02:17] <Matt|> we?
[02:17] <Matt|> you are a developer?
[02:17] <jdub> prelink can provide startup benefits, but has a bunch of annoying costs too - it's just not worth it
[02:17] <jdub> yes
[02:17] <Matt|> right in that case i will take your word for it
[02:17] <Matt|> anyother optimisations i should do?
[02:17] <jdub> no
[02:18] <blahrus> jdub: thanks for ubuntu :)
[02:18] <stodge> I have versions 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 and 1.8 of automake installed, but how do I select one to use. I get this error: Automake 1.6 or above is required. Aborting build...
[02:18] <Matt|> jdub, yeah i'll add my thanks
[02:19] <travis> toyowheelin: I used to be able to use my router as a forwarder, but it doesn't work anymore. If I set the dns to the router ip, it just doesn't work
[02:19] <travis> anyway, thanks for the help. I'm off for a bit, talk to you later
[02:19] <Matt|> jdub, what about compiling a kernel and building things in, is that worth it?
[02:19] <toyowheelin> c-ya
[02:19] <jdub> Matt|: no
[02:20] <Matt|> jdub, how come?
[02:20] <jdub> because there's no point
[02:20] <jdub> it just means you're not using the distro-supported kernel, that you need to recompile every time you get new hardware, etc., etc.
[02:20] <jdub> you have to manage your own security fixes
[02:21] <Matt|> speed?
[02:21] <jdub> okay, so
[02:21] <jdub> you would do without all of those things
[02:21] <jdub> for speed?
[02:21] <azeem> jdub: are you guys applying any extra low-latency-super-responsive patches to the kernel?
[02:21] <jdub> azeem: no
[02:21] <Matt|> depends on how much speed i guess jdub
[02:22] <azeem> one guy at debian-desktop believed that CDD should patch the kernel to make it desktop-ready
[02:22] <jdub> Matt|: seriously - you would forego all of those for 'speed'?
[02:22] <azeem> jdub: okie, so it's good enough for anybody else as well =)
[02:22] <jdub> Matt|: and then when i tell you that building modules into the kernel has ABSOLUTELY NO affect on performance...
[02:22] <Matt|> ok
[02:22] <azeem> jdub: it's prelinking ;)
[02:22] <jdub> azeem: *cough*
[02:23] <Matt|> jdub, does it not save time loading the modules?
[02:23] <jdub> Matt|: stop thinking about 'speed' and start thinking about using your computer.
[02:23] <jdub> of course it does
[02:23] <jdub> but you load a module once
[02:23] <Matt|> jdub, don't be angry
 Matt|: stop thinking about 'speed' and start thinking about using your computer.
[02:23] <eruin> http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/img/applet-small.png <--- can anyone tell me what the "greenish" notification icon with a "v" in it is for?
[02:23] <jdub> not angry :)
[02:23] <Matt|> what do you mean by thinking about my computer
[02:24] <Pizbit> Heh, I find it funny when people argue for speed when they're only gonna save a few seconds over a month or so:)
[02:24] <azeem> Matt|: the point is that all the miliseconds you save each time on startup will get eaten up once you need to recompile your kernel for whatever reason
[02:24] <Matt|> azeem, i appreciate that
[02:24] <Matt|> i was just asking
[02:25] <Matt|> i have just been used to recompiling my kernel and building things in
[02:25] <Matt|> so i am interested
[02:25] <azeem> well, if you are a hacker, you could check about running init scripts in parallel and optimizing hotplug or such things for hoary
[02:25] <blackdog> I've got a problem with mounting a vfat partion so I can share with my XP partition. Its mounted in fstab with /dev/hda4       /mnt/shared     vfat    rw,user,auto     0       0. It mounts with the wrong permission. How can I fix it?
[02:25] <azeem> but see what the status is on those before you duplicate work
[02:25] <Matt|> azeem, are you talking to me?
[02:25] <azeem> Matt|: yes
[02:25] <paulproteus> blackdog: Set 'noauto'.
[02:26] <paulproteus> And then mount it as your Ubuntu user.
[02:26] <paulproteus> Rather than as root.
[02:26] <Matt|> azeem, i installed ubuntu for the first time last night
[02:26] <paulproteus> There's one option for you.
[02:26] <blackdog> thanks
[02:26] <azeem> blackdog: perhaps look at umask, dunno
[02:26] <azeem> Matt|: hmm, ok
[02:26] <pocolocococo> umask-0
[02:26] <Matt|> i have no competence with computers
[02:26] <paulproteus> blackdog: The other option is to add this option to the options list: uid=1000
[02:26] <pocolocococo> doh
[02:26] <Matt|> otherwise I wouldn't have been asking dumb questions
[02:27] <azeem> Matt|: in that case, I advise you to just use your system for a couple of days and then reevaluate whether you really need more speed
[02:27] <pocolocococo> umask=0
[02:27] <paulproteus> uid=1000 will make the first user (user IDs start at 1000) own all the files.
[02:27] <paulproteus> umask=0 means any other you drop all security restrictions on the partition.  The "umask" parameter says what permissions to limit, so by setting it to zero you allow everyone everything.
[02:28] <Matt|> azeem, i had not made any evaluations. I repeat, i was simply curious
[02:28] <Matt|> although i do not have a super-fast system
[02:28] <blackdog> thanks, trying it now )
[02:28] <cef_work> Kamion: you about? mkinitrd is being annoying
[02:29] <tmpy> hi 
[02:30] <tmpy> is mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser available on ubuntu/ppc?? 
[02:30] <Matt|> how can I add items to the gnome menu??
[02:31] <WW> Matt|: Check the wiki FAQ
[02:31] <Matt|> thanks
[02:31] <Matt|> i.e. rtfm
[02:31] <Matt|> ;p
[02:32] <Dekkard> Matt| its really easy matt
[02:32] <quetal> webhosting from  $0.90 monthly www.yourhostplan.com
[02:32] <aitrus> rtff  =)
[02:32] <ogra_> Matt|: right click in a submenu
[02:33] <Dekkard> click applications.. click on any catagorie goto the generated submenu , right click and at the bottom it says " add to this menu"
[02:33] <ogra_> jdub: hey, thanks for monkey-journal :)
[02:33] <tmpy> the mysql-admin, mysql-admin-common and mysql-query-browser is available on debian testing and unstable, any chance of getting them on debian 
[02:34] <Matt|> doh
[02:34] <Matt|> thanks you guys
[02:34] <Matt|> i should have seen that
[02:34] <toyowheelin> you can use webmin to manage mysql fairly well
[02:34] <Matt|> now i need to find a good icon for gtkpod ;)
[02:36] <tmpy> dude, these are lot faster than webmin, and have a lot more features :), besides i tried compiling from source , but ... dont trust my own packageing :P
[02:37] <paulproteus> tmpy: Are they in Debian?
[02:37] <paulproteus> If so, they're in the universe section.
[02:37] <cef_work> Kamion: update on that module loading bug on the amd64 machine: slightly modified version of your command worked fine, but of course I had to mount /target/proc first so mkinitrd worked.. doh!
[02:38] <WW> mysql-client, -common and -server are in ubuntu
[02:38] <tmpy> yeah m8, tehy are in debain 
[02:38] <paulproteus> tmpy: Then look in the Wiki for how to enable access to "universe" from Synaptic, and then find them in Synaptic. (-:
[02:38] <WW> tmpy: It looks like they are even in main.  No need for universe.
[02:38] <tmpy> i have enabled access to universe, long time ago 
[02:38] <tmpy> :)
[02:39] <paulproteus> Ah.
[02:39] <paulproteus> Then what are you asking about?  Enjoy the beauty of Synaptic. (-;
[02:39] <tmpy> yeah?? wait .............
[02:39] <alka_trash> hey guys
[02:39] <ogra_> there is no mysql-admin package
[02:40] <WW> tmpy, ogra_: Doh, ogra_ is correct. My bad.
[02:40] <alka_trash> where's the the updated gaim and firefox?
[02:40] <alka_trash> are they in hoary
[02:40] <tmpy> yep, there is'nt, AFAIK, thet are LGPL (dual licenced)
[02:42] <ogra_> tmpy: do your selfmade packages work ?
[02:42] <Bohhh> :(
[02:42] <Bohhh> i am very sad. ubuntu installer is a copy of sarge installer: it has the same bugs.
[02:42] <Bohhh> i can't install nothing with that stupid installer
[02:43] <paulproteus> What system?
[02:43] <tmpy> nope, i cant connect to any db and it does'nt exit gracefully (i'm on G3 ppc)
[02:43] <cef_work> Bohhh: then definitely report a bug
[02:43] <cef_work> Bohhh: what's the problem anyway?
[02:43] <Bohhh> i386, it attempts to format/mount a partition by using  a devfs name which does not exist
[02:43] <Matt|> meh
[02:43] <Matt|> damn wireless
[02:44] <Bohhh> damn - devfs . how is this possible these days?
[02:44] <ogra_> tmpy: hmm did you recompile the deb packages or did you from source ?
[02:44] <Bohhh> it's a normal i386, with a normal ide hd
[02:44] <cef_work> Bohhh: ouch.. what's it (supposedly?) trying to format?
[02:44] <Bohhh> /dev/hda5, reiserfs
[02:45] <tmpy> ogra_: i downloaded the source from mysql site and compiled it from source 
[02:45] <Bohhh> it can't access /dev/hda5, since it is using a devfs name which doesn't exist
[02:45] <Bohhh> incredible none notices this
[02:45] <ogra_> tmpy: i'd take the deb src ....
[02:45] <cef_work> hrm.. extended partition
[02:45] <Bohhh> cef, yes
[02:45] <cef_work> Bohhh: what other fs's are on the drive?
[02:46] <Bohhh> cef, reiserfs, ext2
[02:46] <tmpy> i cant get ubuntu source for it, cause it doesnt show up in deb-src
[02:46] <tmpy> orga_: how do i do that?? apt-source? 
[02:46] <Matt|> has anyone got a nice icon for gnome menu gtkpod entry?
[02:47] <tmpy> orga_: sry,
[02:47] <tmpy> apt-get source :(
[02:47] <Bohhh> so i'll have to wait other 6 months to obtain something working, be it sarge or ubuntu
[02:47] <Bohhh> i can only install mandrake and similar things here
[02:48] <Bohhh> which were supposed to be inferior to debian
[02:48] <Bohhh> at least for things like partition management
[02:48] <azeem> Bohhh: uhm, did you send a bug report?
[02:48] <Matt|> could try gentoo?
[02:48] <pocolocococo> ha ha 
[02:48] <Bohhh> azeem, thousands
[02:48] <pocolocococo> Bohhh: user skill level
[02:48] <ogra_> tmpy: get the source from here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/mysql-admin
[02:48] <azeem> Bohhh: can't you use knoppix or something to partition and format your harddisk in advance?
[02:48] <Bohhh> azeem, yes
[02:49] <paulproteus> Bohhh: Can you use the alternate root-terminal that the Debian Sarge installer provides to bootstrap your way?
[02:49] <tmpy> orga_: thx m8 , on it, will see what happens 
[02:49] <ogra_> tmpy: the better way would be to send a mail to ubuntu-dev with a package request
[02:49] <pocolocococo> learned helplessness
[02:49] <Bohhh> azeem, of course...but i am not having a good impression...
[02:49] <azeem> Bohhh: oh, so you don't need help
[02:49] <Bohhh> no
[02:49] <paulproteus> Bohhh: That is really weird, I agree.  I've installed Ubuntu and Sarge on quite a few systems, and never had it do that.
[02:50] <tmpy> orga_: i think i'm subscribed to that, will do, cheers 
[02:50] <paulproteus> The final thing you could do is to symlink /dev/ide/whatever/whatever/disc to /dev/hda (-;
[02:50] <Bohhh> what?
[02:50] <Bohhh> are you kidding?
[02:51] <ogra_> night all....
[02:51] <paulproteus> Bohhh: No....
[02:51] <elmaya> the repository for mplayer?
[02:51] <Bohhh> i am not going to create a symlinks as patches for the installer :)
[02:51] <Bohhh> one question: is ubuntu devfs based?
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: well, what's the bug number?
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: only the installer
[02:51] <azeem> Bohhh: ubuntu uses udev
[02:52] <Bohhh> azeem, no number, i have reported the problem trough irc channels
[02:52] <azeem> with the usual device naming
[02:52] <azeem> Bohhh: eh
[02:52] <Bohhh> sarge uses udev?
[02:52] <azeem> Bohhh: that does not help
[02:52] <pocolocococo> he eh 
[02:52] <Matt|> how can I change the services which start on booting? is there a gui for configuring?
[02:52] <Bohhh> doesn't the installer accept devfs=nomount?
[02:53] <NeoFax99> hello all!
[02:53] <paulproteus> Bohhh: It might.  Keep in mind /dev/hda is a non-devfs name.
[02:53] <Bohhh> yes
[02:53] <NeoFax99> Has anyone here used tftp to install ubuntu?
[02:53] <Bohhh> that's what i want
[02:53] <Bohhh> let me see
[02:53] <pocolocococo> money: thats what i want
[02:53] <Bohhh> i'll be back soon
[02:53] <paulproteus> Bohhh: Are you using the installer with just default options, i.e. just pressing enter?
[02:53] <paulproteus> Erm, 'kay.
[02:54] <Matt|> could someone help me understand how boot services can be configured with ubuntu? I am accustomed to use the command chkconfig but I cannot find it here
[02:54] <pocolocococo> he eh 
[02:54] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d
[02:54] <pocolocococo> mdk command
[02:55] <azeem> Matt|: the general philosophy is that you just install/deinstall the services you need
[02:55] <azeem> or use update-rc.d
[02:55] <Matt|> azeem, LinuxJones, thanks
[02:55] <paulproteus> NeoFax99: No, I don't think so.  I think currently the only supported method is CD, in fact.
[02:56] <NeoFax99> I am having a problem with installing ubuntu.  It kills when it reaches installing nic-extras-2.6.8...
[02:56] <NeoFax99> It says I have a bad md5sum.  Which I don't as I have checked the md5sum for the cd and all of the files and they are all good.
[02:57] <paulproteus> NeoFax99: When did you download the CD?
[02:57] <NeoFax99> paulproteus: both the wiki and the user's manual state how to do it, but it seems as if it takes forever.
[02:57] <NeoFax99> Yesterday
[02:57] <paulproteus> I haven't heard of this problem in the released version from October 20.  Granted, I haven't heard of it from before, either.
[02:57] <paulproteus> You checked the md5sum for the CD you burned, not just the image you downloaded?
[02:58] <NeoFax99> No, but I can do that now.  One moment
[02:58] <paulproteus> "Probably" it's a bad burn of some kind, but I can't quite be sure.
[02:58] <outcast> is there a package for full Java support (i want to use Azureus)
[02:59] <paulproteus> outcast: I think the Wiki has info on getting Java.
[03:02] <Matt|> azeem, LinuxJones, I am trying to figure out update-rc.d. The command "update-rc.d networking defaults stop" is not working. What am i doing wrong?
[03:02] <NeoFax99> That's weird, the cd and the iso have bad md5sums of the packages.gz, but not the file the installer stes has a bad md5sum
[03:02] <paulproteus> Have you read its man page, Matt|?
[03:03] <Matt|> paulproteus, some of it
[03:03] <Matt|> much of man pages goes over my head
[03:03] <LinuxJones> Matt|, if yoou want to stop a service /etc/init.d/<service script name > stop
[03:03] <Matt|> LinuxJones, i just want to remove it from starting on boot
[03:04] <cef_work> Matt|: that just tells it to set the defaults for stop, not to disable it
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/<service script name > remove
[03:04] <Matt|> ah
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, sorry 
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Matt|, update-rc.d -f <service script name > remove
[03:04] <Matt|> ok
[03:04] <cef_work> LinuxJones: that will remove the script, but if there is an upgrade, it'll come back
[03:05] <Matt|> i want to keep the script, but remove it from the boot runlevel
[03:05] <LinuxJones> cef_work, I can't help that :D
[03:05] <Tux234> WOW ubuntu is 3rd on distrowatch
[03:05] <Tux234> Thats amazing for just being realised!
[03:05] <cef_work> Matt|: so after you set that up, you should consider setting up 'stop' scripts so that it doesn't get modified
[03:06] <Matt|> cef_work, this sounds rather complicated
[03:06] <Matt|> there is no way of just turning it off for a runlevel?
[03:07] <cef_work> Matt|: easiest is just to rm the rc?.d script you don't want it to run
[03:07] <Matt|> cef_work, but i need the script as sometimes I might want to use my network card
[03:07] <cef_work> Matt|: just don't delete it from /etc/init.d
[03:07] <attitude> OK I have checked the wiki and the main site and can not find an answer. How do I get mod_ssl to work on ubuntu
[03:08] <cef_work> hang on.. you're trying to disable a network card at boot?
[03:08] <Matt|> cef_work, so i just run the command that LinuxJones posted?
[03:08] <cef_work> Matt|: if so, then that's the wrong way to go about it
[03:08] <Matt|> hmm
[03:08] <Matt|> ok
[03:08] <Matt|> what is the right way/
[03:08] <Matt|> ??
[03:08] <cef_work> Matt|: what's the network card? onboard for a lappy?
[03:08] <Matt|> yes
[03:09] <fluoro> Hi guys.  I just installed ubuntu for the first time.
[03:09] <fluoro> However, it never asked me to enter a root password.  Only to create a user account.
[03:09] <Matt|> at home i use a wireless pcmcia card, so the wire network card is not generally necessary
[03:09] <fluoro> Or did I miss something?
[03:09] <Tux234> Ubuntu doesn't really have one
[03:09] <Matt|> fluoro, correct
[03:09] <Matt|> there is no root account by default
[03:09] <Tux234> it uses sudo 
[03:09] <cef_work> ok.. check /etc/network/interfaces (it's a file) and look for the network adapter definition in there. there should be an 'auto ifname' line, comment that out, and it won't start automatically
[03:09] <Matt|> ah thanks cef_work
[03:10] <Matt|> but if I want to stop other services starting, such as hotplug, i do it the way LinuxJones said?
[03:10] <cef_work> Matt|: then you can still use 'ifup ifname' and 'ifdown ifname' whenever you like
[03:10] <fluoro> How do I edit XF86Config then?
[03:10] <Matt|> fluoro, "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config
[03:10] <LinuxJones> fluoro, you should check out the faq there's lots of important stuff >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[03:10] <fluoro> It tried to setup my X for me, but failed.
[03:10] <Matt|> fluoro, or you can do a sudo -s and then carry on
[03:11] <fluoro> Matt|: Thanks.
[03:11] <cef_work> Matt|: yes, or look in /etc/rc?.d/ and delete the S##service file (note, not the /etc/init.d/service file, you want to KEEP that)
[03:11] <Matt|> ok gotcha
[03:11] <Matt|> runlevels are standard right?
[03:11] <outcast> anyone knows how can I set a default resolution in the login screen?
[03:11] <Dekkard> anyone have gcombust running properly?
[03:11] <Matt|> default for boot is 5/
[03:11] <Dekkard> with an ide drive?
[03:11] <Matt|> ?
[03:12] <jdub> outcast: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:12] <cef_work> Matt|: debian uses runlevels differently to other distributions.. the default runlevel is 2, and 2,3,4 & 5 are pretty much set up identical
[03:12] <bratsche> jdub!
[03:12] <NeoFax99> outcast: login to X or login to the pc(GRUB/LILO)?
[03:12] <Tux234> Matt| actually runlevel 2 is a graphical boot
[03:12] <jdub> hey bratsche 
[03:12] <bratsche> jdub: You're the same jdub I know, right? :)
[03:12] <jdub> yes :)
[03:12] <Matt|> *sighs*
[03:12] <bratsche> Cool.
[03:12] <Matt|> runlevel 2??!?
[03:12] <Tux234> I don't know about the other runlevels
[03:13] <cef_work> Matt|: and controlling the setup of these is a sort of known issue with debian (and ubuntu) that will probably be looked at for the next release
[03:13] <Tux234> Yeah I tried it brought GDM
[03:13] <Matt|> # The default runlevel.
[03:13] <Matt|> id:2:initdefault:
[03:13] <Tux234> *up GDM
[03:13] <Matt|> yup
[03:13] <Matt|> ok thanks
[03:13] <Matt|> they should just use chkconfig it rocks
[03:13] <cef_work> heya jdub 
[03:13] <bratsche> jdub: Do you use ubuntu primarily now?
[03:14] <jdub> bratsche: but of course :)
[03:14] <Tux234> When Grub comes up isn't there a recovery mode or something like that?
[03:14] <bratsche> jdub: I just installed it for the first time.
[03:14] <jdub> bratsche: only machine of mine it isn't installed on is the firewall. it's a Qube (mipsel).
[03:14] <LinuxJones> Tux234, hit e for edit
[03:14] <Tux234> I'm pretty sure thats just command prompt
[03:14] <jdub> yo cef_work 
[03:14] <Tux234> Sweet THX
[03:15] <cef_work> jdub: where's a good place to put howto's for installer fixups.. I tripped over a bug in the installer on the release version that you can get around with a few commands
[03:15] <jdub> cef_work: maybe in the faq? perhaps filing a bug would be better ;)
[03:15] <bratsche> For some reason I'm getting "No screens found", but I'm not sure why yet.
[03:15] <Matt|> jdub do you know anything about laptop stuff?
[03:16] <jdub> bits and pieces
[03:16] <Matt|> acpi is not accurate
[03:16] <bratsche> I wonder if maybe the "nv" driver doesn't support 6800.
[03:16] <Matt|> Battery 1: charging, 95%, 00:16:40 until charged  <-- yet it is fully charged
[03:16] <bratsche> Is there an easy way to install the "nvidia" driver?
[03:16] <cef_work> jdub: I'm filing a bug.. but this is the release, and we can't exactly go and pop out a new iso for a single bug.. (well, I wouldn't expect so)
[03:16] <jdub> bratsche: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:17] <bratsche> Thanks.  I'll try that.
[03:17] <Matt|> anyone help with that acpi problem??
[03:17] <cef_work> Matt|: how do you know it's fully charged?
[03:17] <jdub> bratsche: then just replace nv with nvidia in your config
[03:17] <cef_work> heya ultrafunk 
[03:17] <bratsche> Right.
[03:18] <Tenniru> Hey... this may not be the right place to ask this, but how do I set a default skin in XMMS?
[03:18] <cef_work> jdub: afaik, it does that for you now
[03:18] <Matt|> cef_work, i know it is charged because of the light on the front of the computer
[03:18] <pocolocococo> Tenniru: rtfm
[03:18] <Matt|> lol
[03:18] <Tenniru> Huh?
[03:18] <Matt|> nooooooo don't say that!!
[03:18] <ultrafunk> cef_work: morning :)
[03:18] <jdub> pocolocococo: don't say rtfm please
[03:19] <Matt|> Tenniru find the skin browser using right click
[03:19] <Tenniru> I know.
[03:19] <Tenniru> I just want to set it as default.
[03:19] <attitude> does anyone know anything about mod_ssl and how to get it to work on ubuntu
[03:19] <bratsche> jdub: Thanks, that fixed it.  I guess "nv" doesn't support 6800 yet.
[03:19] <Tenniru> How do I do this?
[03:19] <Matt|> in the skin browser, select (none)
[03:19] <pocolocococo> Now say, My bad, RTMFM
[03:19] <bratsche> Err.. I think it does in the latest Xorg, but not in XFree 4.3
[03:19] <Matt|> pocolocococo, i makes people bad if you say rtfm
[03:20] <Matt|> *it
[03:20] <Tenniru> Yes...?
[03:20] <stormrider> RTFM --- Ready to forget Microsoft?
[03:20] <Matt|> Tenniru, it didn't work?
[03:20] <Tenniru> I selected (none) and it switched skins to the one I don't want.
[03:20] <pocolocococo> rtfm read the fine manual
[03:20] <Tenniru> I don't like the one it always turns on to when I activate the program. 
[03:20] <Matt|> ok so you have to find a skin which you like?
[03:20] <Tenniru> I DID! It says nothing.
[03:20] <moyogo> i'm not able to install new mozilla search plugins in firefox, is it just me?
[03:21] <Tenniru> Yes, and I have it in my skins folder. NixAmp.
[03:21] <Tenniru> I just want IT to be default, not (none).
[03:21] <mctavish> G'day all. I have issues :)
[03:21] <Matt|> ah sorry Tenniru can't help, if it is not saving it
[03:21] <Matt|> better try an xmms chan
[03:21] <pocolocococo> ha ha 
[03:21] <cef_work> ultrafunk: got that dual opteron installed.. btw: the dual gigE's are broadcom's. the 3ware 9xxx card caused an install issue that I'm filing a bug about, with a work-around *grin*
[03:21] <Matt|> anyone help with that acpi problem?
[03:21] <Tenniru> I'd gladly use RythmBox if it wasn't a pile of guano on my computer.
[03:22] <mctavish> I want to run nautilus as root, so I use Run Application, then sudo nautilus. Sometimes (rarely) this works.
[03:22] <Tux234> Tenniru: Whats wrong with Rythmbox?
[03:23] <mctavish> The authentication log shows (pam_unix) authentication failure ...  Any suggestions?
[03:23] <cef_work> bbk, bug submitting *grin*
[03:23] <Tenniru> It refuses to import my songs.
[03:23] <jdub> mctavish: running nautilus as root is a really bad idea...
[03:23] <Matt|> xmms rocks anyhow
[03:23] <Tenniru> And if that isn't enough, when I try to play a streaming radio station it locks up.
[03:23] <jdub> mctavish: what are you trying to do?
[03:23] <Tux234> From a windows partition?
[03:24] <Tenniru> Yeah, but xmms won't change skins and clashes terribly with the rest of my GNOME theme.
[03:24] <moyogo> oh well... found the bug in bugzilla
[03:24] <Tux234> Hmmm...
[03:24] <Matt|> Tenniru, is it set to select a random skin on play?
[03:24] <Tenniru> No.
[03:24] <mctavish> Bad idea huh? I just want to do the admin stuff like copying files around etc without using the command line. So how would I approach that?
[03:24] <Tux234> Is it in the theme folder?
[03:24] <Tenniru> It always goes to (none) whenever I turn it on.
[03:25] <stormrider> Do you have any skins in ~/.xmms/Skins?
[03:25] <Tenniru> Yes, it is. I can select and activate the theme, but when I turn the program off and turn it on again...
[03:25] <LinuxJones> mctavish, sudo nautilus
[03:25] <Tenniru> It's in /.xmms/skins.
[03:25] <Tux234> Oh 
[03:25] <stormrider> No, it should be in ~/.xmms/Skins.
[03:25] <Tenniru> It is.
[03:25] <Tenniru> I just forgot the ~ thing.
[03:25] <stormrider> Ok.
[03:25] <jdub> mctavish: what kind of things do you want to do, and why can't you do it with the command line?
[03:27] <Matt|> jdub you do not work with acpi?
[03:28] <mctavish> jdub: why? laziness really :) 
[03:28] <jdub> Matt|: i don't know much about acpi
[03:28] <jdub> mctavish: i'd really strongly discourage you from running nautilus as root
[03:28] <Matt|> jdub, know anyone who does? :)
[03:28] <jdub> in general, you shouldn't have to 'manage' files that are not your own
[03:28] <ultrafunk> cef_work: nice, I spent the last two days getting things running on the dual-celeron instead, between ACPI lockups and isapnp bugs, then having two out of the six maxtors in the machine failing miserably ... i've got a new meaning of hatred for the installer.
[03:29] <mctavish> jdub: ok then 
[03:29] <jdub> Matt|: just ask your questions here, there are lots of people who may be able to help
[03:29] <Matt|> problem is that i don't know what the problem is
[03:29] <Matt|> i've asked already
[03:29] <Tenniru> That's weird. I selected "select random skin" and now it's default is the theme I wanted!
[03:29] <Matt|> Battery 1: charging, 95%, 00:16:40 until charged  <-- yet it is fully charged
[03:29] <Tenniru> I love XMMS now.
[03:29] <robertj> jdub: how can you drag /bin to the trash if you are not root?
[03:29] <Matt|> Tenniru, i think you'll find the select sign is just weird
[03:29] <jdub> Matt|: so noone here knows about that
[03:30] <jdub> robertj: not entirely funny.
[03:30] <Matt|> lol
[03:30] <Matt|> robertj, yes that was funny
[03:30] <ultrafunk> Matt|: what laptop have you got, that sounds like a DSDT bug.
[03:30] <robertj> jdub: btw, just so you don't fall into the same pothoe as OS X, OS X crashes if you drag System to the Trash ;)
[03:30] <robertj> But it doesn't show the Trash can as full
[03:30] <Matt|> i have a Compaq Presario 2104 EA
[03:30] <Matt|> ultrafunk, thanks for answering
[03:30] <jdub> robertj: brilliant...
[03:31] <Matt|> ultrafunk, what is DSDT?
[03:31] <robertj> (everyone should have a student worker to lighten their day)
[03:32] <Tux234> When I play games on my computer I don't get any sound
[03:32] <Tux234> Also don't get any sound on non-Gnome apps like xmms
[03:33] <Tux234> I'm usin ALSA BTW
[03:33] <ultrafunk> Matt|: a DSDT contains a bunch of things your laptop BIOS needs to determine the support of your hardware correctly
[03:33] <Matt|> ultrafunk, i have never had this problem with any other distros or with Windows
[03:33] <robertj> I was really suprised though
[03:33] <robertj> I kinda thought OS X would prevent that, but I guess not ;)
[03:34] <Matt|> ultrafunk, do you know what I can do to solve the problem?
[03:34] <robertj> It's really very helpful. It prompts you to elevate your permissions so it can find it's way to ~/.Trash
[03:34] <ultrafunk> Matt|: occasionally, the newer drops of ACPI code cause issues in laptops that you wouldn't have had under 2.2/2.4 or earlier 2.6
[03:35] <Matt|> ultrafunk, i've used the same kernel without problems on other distros
[03:35] <Matt|> although I have not compiled my own kernel with ubuntu
[03:35] <ultrafunk> Matt|: not off the top of my head (every laptop has a different DSDT block), but http://acpi.sf.net is the best place to start looking
[03:36] <Matt|> ultrafunk, but doesn't the fact that it has always worked in the past indicate that it is a problem with ubuntu?
[03:36] <ultrafunk> Matt|: so you've used the Ubuntu kernel on another distribution -- or plain 2.6.8.1?
[03:36] <Matt|> ultrafunk, clean kernel
[03:36] <Matt|> are there some strange ubuntu acpi patches?
[03:37] <ultrafunk> Matt|: then i'd say you've got a problem with the ACPI patch that is included in the warty release
[03:37] <Matt|> ultrafunk, ok we're really getting somewhere now
[03:37] <Matt|> ultrafunk, what can i do about this?
[03:37] <Matt|> file a bug? ;)
[03:39] <ultrafunk> Matt|: i've got a compile happening with a backported version of the newer code (2004-10-10) with some pieces backed out that aren't needed, if it works for me, i'd be happy to support a request for enhancement to either get the code replaced, or backed out.
[03:39] <ultrafunk> Matt|: if you don't find a working DSDT for your laptop, i'd file a bug though.
[03:40] <Matt|> ok thanks
[03:41] <Matt|> i'm sure there is a bug there already
[03:41] <Matt|> am looking now
[03:42] <Matt|> hmmm the bug search thing is weird
[03:43] <Matt|> the more words it put in the search string, the more results come up
[03:43] <Matt|> even if I use "AND"
[03:46] <Matt|> hmmm wait a tic
[03:46] <Matt|> how can I tell which repository a particular package has come from?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:53] <mctavish> Question: I have a 9600xt. On install I xf86config4 had "sis" as the driver (I found a bug in bugzilla on this) so I changed it to "vesa" and got x working ...
[03:54] <mctavish> ... What would the correct driver for this card be?
[03:55] <maswan> daniels: btw, I did find a working workaround for the suspen problem on my x40
[03:56] <maswan> daniels: if you are around this time :)
[03:56] <Tux234> l@t3r
[03:57] <daniels> maswan: is that sleeping after the chvt?
[03:58] <maswan> daniels: yeah, well, another chvt and sleep before doing the rest of the stuff, but probably just a sleep would be good enough. with a 20% failure rate, testing is kind of annoying.
[04:00] <maswan> daniels: An extra sleep 1 after you've closed the lid isn't that bad. :)
[04:00] <paulproteus> What's the easiest way to switch virtual desktop from keyboard?  I can't figure out the keyboard command in GNOME.  In KDE it's e.g. Ctrl-F2 for desktop 2.
[04:01] <snazbaz> ctrl alt <left arrow>
[04:01] <snazbaz> ctrl alt <right arrow>
[04:01] <daniels> maswan: yeah, I'll just stick with chvt 1; sleep 1, I think
[04:01] <paulproteus> Ah, thanks, snazbaz.
[04:02] <maswan> daniels: if you have a new package for me, I can do another set of testing for completeness.
[04:05] <daniels> maswan: not quite yet, still battling random failures myself, introduced with my new module-removal/adding code
[04:05] <maswan> daniels: sure, just let me know
[04:06] <daniels> maswan: will do, cheers
[04:07] <cef_work> heya daniels 
[04:10] <daniels> cef_work: hey dude
[04:13] <mightyMik> this thing work?
[04:13] <Yannick_> everyone happy with ubuntu linux?
[04:13] <pocolocococo> no
[04:14] <Yannick_> no?
[04:14] <mightyMik> I'm not *quite* happy. i can't get it to install
[04:14] <Yannick_> and why?
[04:14] <pocolocococo> um i know too much to use fake debian eh he 
[04:15] <daniels> pocolocococo: out of curiousity, why do you lurk here?
[04:15] <Yannick_> you know too much? what does that mean?
[04:15] <mightyMik> i don't know about 'fake' debian...but i was able to install 'sarge'. works OK
[04:17] <mightyMik> BUT...that brings up the question...if 'sarge' was able to install, why not ubuntu? same installer, no?
[04:17] <daniels> mightyMik: they use the same base, but different kernels, different autodetection, different modules; we have made many customisations.
[04:18] <mightyMik> ok...i think there's a bug in the ubuntu installer
[04:19] <Yannick_> so ubuntu isn't sarge plus spcial configuration, but sarge base package + many other special package and customisation?
[04:19] <jdub> Yannick_: it's based on debian sid
[04:19] <Yannick_> debian sid is?
[04:19] <Yannick_> developpement version?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> you're kidding?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> yeah
[04:19] <Yannick_> no
[04:19] <bur[n] er> sid == unstable
[04:20] <jdub> the permanent development branch of debian
[04:20] <Yannick_> ok
[04:20] <bur[n] er> sid == crazy kid in toy story == unstable kid == unstable distro :)
[04:20] <Yannick_> i never used debian, is that a crime ;-)
[04:20] <bur[n] er> in some places
[04:20] <bur[n] er> it's good stuff
[04:21] <Yannick_> oh no.... please, please forgive me my lord Debian
[04:21] <Yannick_> ;-)
[04:21] <mightyMik> I like it so far...once i got past the install issue
[04:21] <Yannick_> so should I install ubuntu or sarge?
[04:21] <mightyMik> BUT...it's onky Gnome 2.6...not 2.8
[04:22] <Yannick_> what are the real advantages of ubuntu over normal debian
[04:22] <jdub> it's 2.8
[04:22] <mightyMik> try the unbuntu installer, if that fails, try the sarge net install
[04:22] <jdub> Yannick_: see the faq on our website for these kinds of questions
[04:22] <mightyMik> sarge is 2.6
[04:23] <Yannick_> thanks jdub
[04:25] <mightyMik> it would be nice if ubuntu had netinstall
[04:25] <daniels> mightyMik: it does
[04:25] <daniels> (or floppy)
[04:25] <mightyMik> that works? 'install' disk has issues for me
[04:26] <daniels> i haven't tried the cd-rom drive, but netboot worked just fine for me.
[04:29] <mightyMik> i see warty live, and wart release install, but no warty netinstall
[04:29] <calc> daniels: btw someone forgot to include wpa-supplicant in ubuntu ;)
[04:30] <daniels> calc: i saw your blog, yah
[04:30] <calc> it seems that prism54 won't be supported with it until the prism54 guys release their cvs driver though, wpa already supports it in cvs as well
[04:31] <calc> would be cool to have that integrated with that NetworkManager thing
[04:32] <bur[n] er> w00t!!  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gparted/gparted_0.0.6-1_i386.deb?download  <--gparted deb package :)
[04:32] <bur[n] er> would make a nice, needed addition for ubuntu
[04:33] <cef_work> daniels: got the dual opteron installed - yay!
[04:33] <daniels> cef_work: nice
[04:33] <bob2> gparted is already in Debian...
[04:33] <cef_work> daniels: x detection failed during the installer though *thump!*
[04:34] <maswan> cef_work: any interesting dual opteron? like the sff iwill one? :)
[04:35] <daniels> cef_work: we don't have a way to do ddc on amd64 short of emulating x86, making the int call and just hoping for the best
[04:35] <cef_work> daniels: onboard ATI Rage XL, so I can see why... but still.. I'm sure you have RageXL cards amongst those I gave you *hint hint!*
[04:35] <daniels> that's how X does it
[04:35] <cef_work> daniels: ahh fair enuff
[04:35] <daniels> cef_work: they work fine on i386 :)
[04:36] <cef_work> maswan: Tyan S2882 board (Serverworks chipset, dual broadcom GigE's onboard)
[04:36] <maswan> cef_work: ah, ok, familar stuff to me then. :)
[04:37] <jdub> mmm, tyan
[04:37] <cef_work> maswan: and a 3Ware SATA IDE Raid card, which caused the installer to crap out on second boot (bug filed and a work around supplied too)
[04:37] <maswan> cef_work: ah, ok. we got a rack of those with two 3ware cards. :)
[04:38] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/bilder/20041007-HPC2N-HPFS/index.html?large=no&flow=yes
[04:38] <cef_work> maswan: the 9xxx series cards? then yeah, they'd have this issue
[04:38] <maswan> cef_work: nah, 8xxx series
[04:39] <cef_work> maswan: installer loads the module but decides that it doesn't need to be added to the initrd.. which is bad if you have the root FS on there... oops!
[04:39] <maswan> cef_work: oops.
[04:39] <cef_work> I should actually reboot the box since I installed the smp kernel on it.. bbk
[04:40] <calc> the new imacs look pretty, saw one at fry's today
[04:40] <calc> the new apple standalone lcds look very nice as well
[04:40] <mightyMik> your best buys always get fried...
[04:41] <maswan> calc: ah, yeah, looks neat
[04:41] <maswan> calc: ooh, lots of pixels too.
[04:42] <robertj> calc: and they have user replacable lcds
[04:42] <bur[n] er> bob2: new .6 version?  i had no idea
[04:42] <robertj> how much it owuld cost you to replace, I dunno, but its a part you can replace yourself without voiding your warrenty
[04:42] <calc> robertj: oh cool
[04:42] <robertj> personally I think they are ugly, overpriced, but practical
[04:43] <calc> well it would be a bit nicer if the bottom area wasn't so large
[04:43] <calc> it looks a bit odd
[04:44] <robertj> yeah, that's my beef with it
[04:44] <robertj> and the price
[04:44] <calc> yea after proper equipping it and warranty extension its about $3000
[04:46] <robertj> OS X is technically very neat but still a pain because it's not windows
[04:46] <calc> linux is not windows
[04:47] <calc> what does windows have to do with anything?
[04:47] <robertj> True but noone expects it to be
[04:48] <robertj> Also you do occasionally stumble across a feature that just isn't there and nees to be (SSL in the Finder is a big one for me)
[04:48] <robertj> The Finder & Dock is OS X's finest feature, bar none.
[04:48] <calc> why does the finder need ssl?
[04:48] <robertj> Calc: webda
[04:48] <robertj> err secure webdav
[04:48] <calc> oh
[04:49] <calc> safari doesn't do webdav?
[04:49] <robertj> Calc: Safari isn't Finder. Our school is adopting Novel NetStorage for home directorys.
[04:49] <robertj> Which work fine in Gnome's VFS, XP, and via Goliath
[04:50] <robertj> but your average user doesn't have any prayer of using Goliath's FTP style interace
[04:51] <bur[n] er> bob2: i think you're wrong about gparted in debian...  libgcc1 1.3.4 is to be installed, but 1.4 is necessary... and this is on my debian box, not ubuntu
[04:51] <robertj> Also, working with Apple Harware is a pain in the buttox
[04:52] <robertj> Little things, like standard drives not fitting in their drive bays because tehre is some nifty cable shield that is custom fitted down to one millionth of an inch
[04:55] <calc> robertj: hehe
[04:56] <srbaker_> having sound trouble.
[04:56] <srbaker_> toshiba tecra 8100, sound is scratchy
[04:56] <robertj> calc: also, they have licenced patents from Gensu to incorporate into their case internals
[04:57] <robertj> or Ginsu rather
[04:57] <robertj> Eveyone should have a mac for a month though.
[04:58] <calc> robertj: a joke about sharp edges?
[04:59] <ygnome> macs are ok, look around any linux conf and you'll see heaps of them.
[04:59] <calc> i would be surprised that an apple case would be that low quality to not have rounded edges
[04:59] <calc> only the lowest quality pc cases have sharp edges
[05:00] <ygnome> calc: I've never cut myself on the inside of a mac, but just about any PC tried to shave my skin off...
[05:00] <robertj> My co-worker diced his hands up decently on a Mirror-Door G4
[05:01] <calc> robertj: fun :\
[05:01] <robertj> And then there are the "cross-platform" apps
[05:01] <calc> the last time i was around a sharp case was when i worked for a company building really cheap systems
[05:01] <ygnome> calc: be careful, some of those upper quality pc cases with folded edges still have some nasty sharps in them.
[05:01] <calc> of course any prebuilt system you see in stores probably qualifies as cheap as well ;)
[05:01] <robertj> prebuilt rocks you
[05:02] <robertj> my emachine cost $300
[05:02] <robertj> 2.8 ghz Celeron-D with 512 megs of ram, dvd reader, cd writer
[05:02] <maswan> bah, if you haven't sprinkled blood into the case, how could it work?
[05:02] <calc> i got an emachine laptop :)
[05:02] <mightyMik> ballmer wants a $99 box
[05:02] <ygnome> maswan: that's supposed to be goats blood!
[05:02] <bborkk> Hiya.  I uncommented the universe deb and deb-src files in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but now apt gives me errors complaining there are duplicate entries.  Does the 'universe' tag not count as a separate entry?
[05:03] <calc> mightyMik: a $100 box so more people won't pirate, i think he gets his ideas from bush
[05:03] <ygnome> bborkk: just run update again.
[05:03] <robertj> guy at works says "Spend $1600 and buy a G5, it will last you 4 years." At what I am paying I can take that same money and buy a new eMachine next year that will be as fast as that G5.
[05:03] <calc> they can't afford a pc to begin with but if it only costs $100 they will buy software according to his idea
[05:03] <maswan> ygnome: nah, don't have many goats around
[05:03] <calc> robertj: not likely, speed has stalled out for the past several years
[05:03] <Despair> calc: if there's no margin in PCs, it's more room for the xbox to expand upwards. ;)
[05:04] <mightyMik> and they will run linux on them :) hehehehe
[05:04] <robertj> calc: bahh, most people are thieves and would steal his wives jewelry if they could get away on it
[05:04] <bborkk> ygnome: I did, but apt complains saying, "W: Duplicate sources.list entry..."
[05:04] <robertj> calc: yeah, but price has'nt
[05:04] <calc> though a $1600 G5 is a slow single cpu one anyway, so could be surpassed
[05:05] <calc> robertj: so next year pcs will be free? ;)
[05:05] <robertj> calc: you'd be a fool to buy a single proc G5 tower though
[05:05] <calc> prices of the high end cpus haven't been dropping much
[05:05] <robertj> calc: no, I'm not saying that
[05:05] <maswan> I've never really understood the hunt for faster cpus..
[05:06] <robertj> I'm saying that a low end processor will be just as fast next year as this years mid to high range
[05:06] <maswan> I just buy one in the lower price range
[05:06] <robertj> and I think thats gonna happen even if no tech advances happen
[05:06] <maswan> and put the money into ram, because that actually makes a difference
[05:06] <robertj> If for no other reason than it has to happen in order to make intel and amd look like they aren't falling behind
[05:07] <ygnome> maswan: and fast disks
[05:07] <robertj> And a good keyboard/mouse
[05:07] <calc> robertj: they are
[05:07] <bborkk> and blue leds.
[05:07] <maswan> robertj: well, those I don't buy new, since I have one.
[05:07] <calc> robertj: didn't notice the cancellation of p4 4ghz?
[05:08] <calc> not reschedule, complete cancellation
[05:08] <calc> they are hoping dual core will work out by mid next year
[05:08] <maswan> calc: hitting the head against the thermal envelope, hard, I think.
[05:08] <robertj> I payed $48, including S&H and tax for a new MS Natural and Intellemouse Explorer IV (do they not make the USB Naturals anymore?)
[05:08] <calc> maswan: yes
[05:08] <ygnome> calc: must have reached the practical limit of cpu speed for the P4
[05:08] <robertj> calc: Thermal is a big deal
[05:08] <robertj> and noise to me
[05:08] <calc> and amd looks like they may be getting close
[05:08] <robertj> If I could a gig cube I'd put down a grand for it
[05:09] <calc> or just waiting for intel and making as much money in the meantime ;)
[05:09] <maswan> robertj: I got an old icl keyboard that feels kind of like a sun type5 and a logitech oem-only mouse that I bought separately. :)
[05:09] <calc> robertj: i have a near silent athlon64 3200 :)
[05:09] <robertj> maswan: the Intellimouse explorer feels real nice
[05:09] <calc> robertj: you should get an ibm model m
[05:09] <robertj> the $50 mouse is a lot more pallatable in the $15 oem model
[05:09] <cef_work> the dual opteron behind me is dead quiet
[05:09] <ygnome> calc: how did u do that (quiet)
[05:10] <cef_work> (and yes, it's on)
[05:10] <robertj> I'e fantasized about stealing one from the library
[05:10] <calc> ygnome: antec sonata, radeon 9600 (no fan), panaflo 120mm fans in the case
[05:10] <maswan> robertj: Nah, I don't want large mice with scrollwheels and whatever. Just a resonably small, usable, 3-button mouse.
[05:11] <calc> and a new pioneer 16x dvd-rw, which is amazingly quiet when in use
[05:11] <maswan> heh, my current workstation actually is totally silent, but then it was bought as a htpc and not a workstation (mini-itx, no hdd, all passive cooling)
[05:11] <cef_work> PSU in this thing is a 520W whisper quiet job - 23 dB fan
[05:11] <calc> i should have taken the model m from work when i had the chance, no one wanted it around
[05:12] <robertj> maswan: for that I like the logitech opticals, the little purple dealies ;)
[05:12] <calc> they made me stop using it too ;)
[05:12] <cef_work> not going to complain about it.. pity the machine is destined for the server room *sulk*
[05:12] <maswan> calc: heh, I have one of those at work. we actually have a decent-sized supply of them, since they are probably hard to get new. :)
[05:12] <calc> maswan: yea
[05:12] <regeya> so...will it majorly screw things up if I did something like, oh, say, include debian sid and pinned warty at a higher priority?  I'd like to install a newer scribus (IIRC 1.2 release is in Sid)
[05:14] <calc> "When used in an office or other LAN environment, everyone in the room knows by the distintinctive "machine-gun like" typing sound that you have a real keyboard." <- exactly the reason they made me stop ;)
[05:14] <maswan> calc: hehe
[05:15] <robertj> hrmm it just occurs to me I've never actually pressed any of the "multimedia" buttons on my keyboard
[05:15] <regeya> aw, set 'em up, robertj!  it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when they work.
[05:16] <bborkk> Anyone know what apt is trying to tell me when it says "W: Couldn't stat source package list foo"?
[05:16] <regeya> If you're using ubuntu 'n gnome, you can set up such shortcuts in Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:17] <regeya> gnome is so delightfully cheesy these days (but I like it)
[05:17] <robertj> Whee
[05:17] <Zindar> bborkk: try sudo apt-get update first
[05:18] <bborkk> Zindar: I did, but to no avail.
[05:18] <Zindar> bborkk: what happens...
[05:18] <robertj> Hrmm, some of em don't work
[05:18] <robertj> Lock Screen, which seems like a likely candidate for being useful
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: what the $"#(/$ are you going up this time of day?
[05:19] <maswan> Zindar: being broken, as usual. :)
[05:19] <mightyMik> bbl
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: go to bed :)
[05:19] <Zindar> maswan: I'm going to lunch... *gone*
[05:19] <maswan> Zindar: Well, at this time of day, it would do more damage than good.
[05:21] <robertj> regeya: it does kinda feel warm and fuzzy now that I've done it
[05:21] <robertj> it makes me wish I had a media file to listen too
[05:22] <robertj> really I think I need three to feel happy about the track skip buttons
[05:22] <robertj> ooh, and I could get a printer to use the "Print" button
[05:23] <bborkk> Zindar: apt-get update returns a bunch of hit messages, a couple of failed messages and about half a dozen couldn't stat source package list messages for http://mentors.debian.net
[05:24] <bborkk> Zindar: Claims no such file or directory
[05:29] <robertj> Ahh, Hide all Windows and Focus Desktop is a nice option to find
[05:30] <benerb> does anyone know if there is a setting to change your preferred multimedia sink as there is in Fedora Core?  I am having some issues with Rhythmbox making crackling sounds while playing music.
[05:31] <defendguin> no gaim encryption available for ubuntu?
[05:31] <defendguin> this sucks
[05:35] <benerb> paulproteus, that suggestion for using the hex in the network properties page worked...i feel retarded...thank you very much again for your help
[05:35] <mirak_> can anyone help me to install nvu? please
[05:36] <srbaker_> grrrrr
[05:36] <srbaker_> i need an alsa expert here
[05:36] <mirak_> srbaker, no sound?
[05:36] <mirak_> srbaker, via chipset?
[05:37] <srbaker_> ymfpci
[05:37] <srbaker_> and it's scratchy
[05:37] <mirak_> hmm....above me...thought maybe you have the same problem as i did....i can fix that......sorry
[05:38] <mirak_> but normaly scratchy sound means....time for new card
[05:38] <benerb> do either of you (mirak or srbaker) know if you can change the multimedia preferred devices like in Fedora Core?
[05:38] <mirak_> never used fedora...and dont really know what you are talking about
[05:38] <benerb> heh
[05:39] <mirak_> like change default app??
[05:39] <benerb> i guess that is fair..it is not bad
[05:39] <benerb> yes...you can change the sink
[05:39] <benerb> to esd, arts, alsa, or oss
[05:39] <benerb> for all apps
[05:40] <benerb> i think it may have something to do with the HAL they recently implemented
[05:40] <benerb> and ubuntu as well, though ubuntu seems to have far less configuration apps
[05:40] <mirak_> benerb, go to computer-desktop preferences-prefered apps............is that what you are talking about?
[05:41] <benerb> no...it is just for audio/video stuff
[05:41] <benerb> but similar in nature
[05:41] <mirak_> <-------3 week old newb...........sorry
[05:41] <mirak_> but maybe you can help me install "NVU"?
[05:41] <benerb> heh...i am just learning ubuntu...and it is quite different as well from FC..which i have been using since the beginning
[05:42] <benerb> thanks anyway
[05:42] <mirak_> :)
[05:44] <DamageControl> suup?
[05:47] <sabmoc> any mono hackers?
[05:48] <sabmoc> i thought ubuntu had pretty good mono support, but im getting Cannot find assembly `gtk-sharp' errors even though im specifying it on the command line
[05:50] <bob2> did you install it?
[05:50] <DJ_Stefan0> Will the .ISO file of Ubuntu I download be damaged if I use the latest version of Getright on Windows to download it and then ocasionaly pause the download, or the computer restarts and then i continue from there? does any1 know?
[05:50] <rbrad> sabmoc: I think mono is scheduled for the next release: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/mono
[05:51] <paulproteus> sabmoc: Have you added the sources.list entry at getsweaa for Mono in Ubuntu?
[05:51] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: if it corrupts the iso then it's a horribly buggy program
[05:51] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: just check the md5sum
[05:51] <calc> DJ_Stefan0: just check the md5 afterwards to be certain its not corrupt
[05:51] <sabmoc> paulproteus: yep, i have tomboy installed and the whole bunch
[05:51] <paulproteus> DJ_Stefan0: No, the ISO should not be damaged.  You should test it afterward if you're unsure at the end; but Getright is a good program and won't corrupt your download.
[05:51] <sabmoc> paulproteus: i used to hack on mono a bit but ive been away for a few dozen releases cause ive been busy, but im tring to get back into it
[05:52] <bob2> sabmoc: do you have libgtk-cil installed?
[05:53] <sabmoc> bob2 yes
[05:53] <DJ_Stefan0> thanx
[05:55] <defendguin> has anyone got a working gaim encryption plugin for ubuntu?
[05:56] <nickers> defendguin, there is a repos with one....but you have to get rid of the gaim ubuntu ships with and use debian sid one
[05:57] <defendguin> nickers, yeah and it wants to get rid of a lot of crap
[05:57] <defendguin> might as well be running sid
[05:58] <nickers> defendguin, been there done that...im a gentoo guy and even sid seemed to much work
[05:59] <benerb> ok
[05:59] <sabmoc> bob2 any other ideas dude?
[05:59] <nickers> defendguin, compile !
[05:59] <benerb> quit
[05:59] <bob2> nickers: sid is no work for experienced users
[05:59] <bob2> sabmoc: do you have build-essential and the "mono" package installed?
[06:00] <sabmoc> ye ye
[06:00] <bob2> well, it works for me
[06:00] <defendguin> nickers cant compile
[06:00] <sabmoc> damn, no it doesnt
[06:00] <bob2> building tomboy, at least, which needed all that stuff
[06:00] <nickers> bob2, add this repos....now add this package...now link this to get this repos...then do this
[06:01] <bob2> nickers: er, no
[06:01] <defendguin> nickers, no gaim-dev package in ubunut
[06:01] <defendguin> ubuntu
[06:01] <bob2> defendguin: bulid gaim from source, I think he means
[06:01] <jdub> with the universe mono packages, tomboy works fine
[06:01] <sabmoc> bob2 liar :)
[06:01] <nickers> yeppers defendguin, build from source
[06:01] <defendguin> uggggggg
[06:02] <defendguin> then whats the freaking point of apt?
[06:02] <bob2> sabmoc: it works for at least me, tseng and mxpxd
[06:02] <sabmoc> well then, damn you all
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: I'm sorry not every single package anyone could possibly want is packaged
[06:02] <defendguin> im trying to keep my package management system in order and not have hlaf installed this way and half installed that way
[06:02] <jdub> defendguin: apt does not build, test, stabilise and support software. humans do that.
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: you can file a RFP bug on Debian, then if someone packages it, it can go into universe.
[06:02] <bob2> defendguin: or you could package it
[06:03] <tseng> bob2: did you see the bug, i did actually miss a ) in build-depend
[06:03] <nickers> jdub, i think what he is getting at is ubuntu is like the bastard child right now and what you want isnt always there. and to run stuff you add this repos to get it. who knows if that addy will still exist next apt-get update
[06:03] <bob2> tseng: ah, heh
[06:03] <bob2> the vast vast vast majority of the world's Free software is in universe
[06:03] <jdub> nickers: no, that's totally inaccurate.
[06:04] <bob2> if an occasional package you want is not, you can package it or ask someone else to do so
[06:04] <jdub> nickers: if it's not in main, it's unsupported. if it's not in universe or multiverse, it's not packged for ubuntu. it may be elsewhere.
[06:04] <nickers> jdub, what happens when ubuntu does package it?
[06:05] <nickers> jdub, is there an upgrade path for running all this stuff from elsewhere to get a working system?
[06:05] <jdub> then it'll be in main or universe/multiverse
[06:05] <sabmoc> whats the difference between universe and multiverse
[06:05] <bob2> multiverse is non-free stuff
[06:05] <jdub> nickers: if you use stuff from elsewhere, you are on your own. you're doing something outside the scope of ubuntu.
[06:05] <Zindar> gees.. if you run stuff not from the ubuntu-repositories.. how can you expect an upgrade path
[06:05] <nickers> Zindar, exactly!
[06:05] <bob2> nickers: ubuntu (or debian or anyone) cannot provide an upgrade path from every random package 
[06:06] <bob2> so don't run stuff from outside ubuntu
[06:06] <Zindar> amazing...
[06:06] <sabmoc> bob2 free as in freedom, or beer
[06:06] <bob2> sabmoc: freedom
[06:06] <jdub> you do not have to use stuff from non-ubuntu repositories to have a 'working system'
[06:06] <sabmoc> i could use some free beer
[06:07] <tseng> there are 100s of packages..
[06:07] <regeya> I could use scribus 1.2 release.
[06:07] <sabmoc> bob2 whats the easiest way to reinstall all the mono packages? something must be wrong
[06:07] <regeya> rather than 1.2cvs built in may.
[06:07] <bob2> regeya: is a newer version in sid?
[06:07] <Zindar> sabmoc: define "all the mono packages"
[06:07] <bob2> sabmoc: I don't see how reinstalling would help...
[06:07] <regeya> indeed there is, bob2.
[06:08] <regeya> 1.2 release iirc.
[06:08] <bob2> regeya: you can build that to a .deb on ubuntu
[06:08] <sabmoc> its helped before, maybe i made a mistake somewhere the first time around
[06:08] <nickers> alrighty so i install pan from universe...which as i understand is not supported right? something this basic should be in default but its not...so someone should soon realize it needs to be(evo doesnt count. usnet was at best an after thought)
[06:08] <regeya> so, so tempted.
[06:08] <bob2> and when hoary opens up it can be synced
[06:08] <nickers> what now? it comes into ubuntu default
[06:08] <nickers> upgrade path???? zero
[06:08] <bob2> nickers: what you want != what the rest of the universe wants
[06:08] <sabmoc> Zindar: whatevers needed to program in mono/gtk#/gnome#
[06:08] <nickers> oh just reinstall
[06:08] <jdub> nickers: erm, there's no upgrade path problems there at all.
[06:08] <bob2> nickers: no, stop whinging, universe will have a reasonable upgrade path
[06:08] <GotD0t> question: does anybody know how i can use the courier new font in OO.org?
[06:08] <jdub> nickers: there's no problem at all if something moves from universe to main.
[06:09] <tseng> why are we complaining about a non-issue
[06:09] <sabmoc> Zindar: im getting this > $ mcs -r:gtk-sharp hello.cs
[06:09] <sabmoc> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `gtk-sharp'
[06:09] <jdub> tseng: it's just a misunderstanding
[06:09] <Zindar> sabmoc: install libgtk-cil
[06:09] <nickers> later on....distro is great....ill try it on a 6.0 release...back to gentoo
[06:09] <sabmoc> Zindar: it is installed
[06:10] <tseng> thats not a misunderstanding, thats a troll :P
[06:10] <bob2> yeah
[06:10] <bob2> lots of borderline gentoo trolls this week
[06:10] <Zindar> sabmoc: then learn how to use mcs :)
[06:10] <jdub> no, the dude didn't grok that there was no upgrade path issue
[06:10] <jdub> he may have been an annoying git, but he did lack information
[06:10] <bob2> yes, but he ignored it when you informed him
[06:11] <Zindar> sabmoc: try -pkg:gtk-sharp
[06:11] <joem> tseng, he just wasn't offered the high performance he was used to :)
[06:11] <jdub> bob2: he may have felt like an idiot :)
[06:11] <tseng> ^5s joem while laughing hysterically at ATHF
[06:11] <bob2> jdub: heh
[06:11] <sabmoc> Zindar: sorry, ive been running a restaurant for the past few months and this is the first chance ive had to have some fun but ive forgotten a lot it seems
[06:12] <regeya> OMFG ATHF
[06:12] <Zindar> sabmoc: or things has changed.. the default install dir of gtk-sharp is now in the gac and -r doesn't look in the gac
[06:12] <Zindar> :)
[06:14] <sabmoc> Zindar: i was around when the talk of GAC first started, but i disapeared before it arrived.. what exactly is GAC?
[06:22] <cef_work> mdz: boo!
[06:22] <rbrad> Anyone have luck with the evolution-exchange package with Exchange 2000? specifically the calandaring?
[06:23] <cef_work> mdz: <-- 3w_9xxx driver bug
[06:23] <mdz> bob2: trolls are read-only media
[06:23] <bob2> hehehehe
[06:24] <cef_work> mdz: so if there is something I can run (eg: detection scripts to see what went wrong) then just ask
[06:28] <mdz> cef_work: do you know the answer to the question I asked in my comment?
[06:29] <cef_work> mdz: yup.. replied via bugzilla.. it appears as standard scsi devices
[06:29] <bborkk> how does apt handle the "universe" tags attached to the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:29] <sabmoc> is google down?
[06:29] <mdz> cef_work: I'm surprised it doesn't work, then.  what's the name in /proc/scsi?
[06:30] <bob2> bborkk: how do you mean?
[06:31] <bborkk> Well, apt-get upgrade keeps warning me that I have duplicate entries, one of them being the ubuntu universe entry.  I tried updating, but that just warns me that it can't stat the source list for mentors.debian.org and doesn't fix the duplicate entry problem.
[06:32] <cef_work> mdz: there isn't a /proc/scsi as such. there is /proc/scsi/scsi, which lists the 3ware card, device-info (with nothing worthwhile in it), and a sata_sil direcrtory
[06:32] <bob2> bborkk: paste your sources.list to #flood
[06:32] <Hikaru79> :) Just wondering if shipping of the complimentary CD's has begun for those who ordered them?
[06:32] <GotD0t> what can i use to burn audio cd's?
[06:33] <bob2> Hikaru79: no
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Ah, ok
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Thanks, bob2 :)
[06:33] <bob2> Hikaru79: late november-ish
[06:33] <Hikaru79> Just wondering ^ ^
[06:33] <bob2> well, they'll arrive then
[06:33] <bborkk> bob2: Done.  I think.
[06:33] <bob2> bborkk: well, you do have duplicate entries
[06:34] <cef_work> mdz: this is quite a new driver in the kernel (2.6.8 afaik was the first stable to see it).. so it's quite possible it's not providing the right info
[06:34] <bob2> bborkk: remove "warty universe" from the second archive.ubuntu line
[06:36] <mdz> cef_work: so there is no /proc/scsi subdirectory?
[06:36] <bborkk> bob2: Ah.  I wish I had more eyes.  Thanks.
[06:36] <mdz> cef_work: I mean, no subdirectory under /proc/scsi which corresponds to the 3ware?
[06:36] <GotD0t> what can i use to burn audio cd's?
[06:36] <cef_work> mdz: not by itself, no
[06:36] <bborkk> bob2: Or, if I wanted to keep the universe, should I get rid of the first two archive.ubuntu entries?
[06:37] <bob2> bborkk: no, what I said will let you continue to use universe
[06:37] <bob2> bborkk: but will remove t he error
[06:37] <GotD0t> hello?
[06:37] <cef_work> /proc/scsi # ls ->> device_info  sata_sil  scsi
[06:37] <bob2> GotD0t: I use cdrdao, but that's not the answer you're looking for
[06:37] <cef_work> mdz: and only sata_sil is actually a directory
[06:38] <mdz> cef_work: that's what I suspected from looking at the code, but I hadn't seen that before and wasn't sure what the default behaviour was
[06:38] <bob2> GotD0t: rhythmbox can do it, I think
[06:38] <bern> anyone else use liquid weather for karamba?
[06:38] <bern> i'm having problems with it
[06:38] <mdz> cef_work: herbert will know what to do about it
[06:39] <cef_work> mdz: cool.
[06:40] <bborkk> bob2: Hmm.  I don't see what you mean by removing "warty universe"... that string doesn't appear... do you mean to remove the string "warty" and the string "universe".  Thanks.
[06:40] <bob2> bborkk: 14:33 < bborkk> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[06:41] <bob2> bborkk: remove the words "main" and "restricted"
[06:41] <GotD0t> hmm, bob2 rhythmbox doesnt even recognize my wav's
[06:42] <bborkk> bob2: Okay, that makes sense.  Thanks again.
[06:42] <bob2> mp3burn worked for me in the past
[06:42] <GotD0t> thanks
[06:56] <bborkk> bob2: Sorry to bother you again.  What do you make of the warning (returned by apt-get update) I just posted on #flood?
[06:57] <bborkk> Does anyone else find RhythmBox's import folder feature annoying?
[06:57] <Treenaks> bborkk: that's annoying about it?
[06:58] <bohrbug> My prism usb wireless adapter is recognised by ubuntu, but I cannot configure it in GNOME, because it doesn't turn up as a device. Where can I do more config?
[06:58] <bern> hey all
[06:59] <bborkk> Treenaks: It doesn't seem intuitive that you have to be inside the folder you want to import in order to select it.
[06:59] <Treenaks> I use the right-click-in-nautilus thingy
[07:00] <bern> how can i go about mounting my windows partition so i can access it from my desktop
[07:00] <bborkk> Treenaks: Huh, didn't see that.  I prefer not to use Nautilus if I can help it.
[07:01] <bohrbug> bern: mount -t ntfs ....
[07:03] <denman> anyone have any experiance with the ppc installer?  I am having problems with it freezing at the "entering low memory mode" window
[07:05] <bern> bohrbug: i tried that
[07:05] <bern> bohrbug: it mounted it, but when i tried to access it, it killed itself
[07:06] <bern> bohrbug: it locked up the window
[07:06] <ficusplanet> Why is the freetype autohinter disabled by default in Ubuntu?
[07:06] <bohrbug> bern: shouldnt happen
[07:07] <bern> bohrbug: i put $ mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media
[07:07] <sabmoc> where is the site-lisp dir in ubuntu?
[07:08] <bohrbug> bern: that should work, as long as you are sure that /dev/hda1 is your windows partition
[07:08] <sabmoc> doh
[07:09] <mdz> sabmoc: locate site-lisp
[07:09] <sabmoc> yep nevermind
[07:11] <bern> i'm almost positive
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: unless it starts the numbering from 0, which it may
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: hrmm
[07:11] <bern> bohrbug: i think that was it oops
[07:11] <bern> :P
[07:11] <sabmoc> does anyone know which site-lisp i should drop some edit mode files into?
[07:12] <bern> bohrbug: nope it's hda1
[07:12] <bohrbug> bern: numbering starts at 1
[07:12] <mdz> ficusplanet:  Depending on your display and on which fonts you use, they can look
[07:12] <mdz>  better or worse when using the autohinter module. Enable it if you
[07:12] <mdz>  happen to prefer the look it gives to your fonts.
[07:12] <bohrbug> bern: but sometimes manufacturers put in an extra "rescue" partition at hda1
[07:13] <cef_work> any pointers on getting ieee1394 drives connected up with this ubuntu box?
[07:13] <mdz> cef_work: just works
[07:13] <mdz> for me anyway
[07:13] <ficusplanet> mdz, I guess I've just happened across a lot of monitors it looks better on ;).  I was just making sure it wasn't simply a mistake that it was disabled.
[07:13] <cef_work> mdz: hrm.. I plugged it in.. no dice here.. hasn't even loaded a 1394 module in the kernel
[07:14] <mdz> cef_work: if it didn't load a 1394 driver, it didn't recognize your controller
[07:14] <cef_work> mdz: yeah.. I was suspecting that.. hrmmm
[07:15] <mdz> cef_work: sudo modprobe ohci1394
[07:15] <cef_work> mdz: doh! I know why.. the m/board doesn't have one.. oh well.. fall back to usb2
[07:15] <mdz> cef_work: ...
[07:16] <cef_work> mdz: trying to get the 500GB removable working..
[07:17] <hazmat> is there a development branch for ubuntu, ie. dev packages for next version?
[07:18] <cef_work> mdz: well works with usb2.. I'll probably chuck the 1394 card I have in the machine sometime soon.. would've thought the dual opteron board would have 1394 onboard.. but seems not.. oh well
[07:19] <cef_work> mdz: complicated by the fact that the case has a nice 1394 connector on the front
[07:19] <ficusplanet> Is the meeting about hoary at 1600UTC tomorrow?
[07:22] <Zindar> hazmat: not yet afaik
[07:23] <mdz> ficusplanet: yes
[07:23] <ficusplanet> mdz, Thanks.
[07:28] <bern> grr
[07:28] <bern> i need help making a shortcut to my mounted windows partition
[07:28] <ficusplanet> bern, what is the problem?
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: i mount the partition
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: and i can look at the contents in the terminal /mnt/Windows
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: but if i try to make a device shortcut on the desktop it won't let me mount or unmount
[07:30] <bern> ficusplanet: how do i give it root permissions ?
[07:31] <bohrbug> bern: put a line in /etc/fstab for your windows partition
[07:31] <ficusplanet> bern, How is the device entered in /etc/fstab?
[07:31] <bern> ficusplanet: lemme look
[07:32] <bern> ficusplanet: it's not in there
[07:32] <bern> ficusplanet: should i add it?
[07:32] <bohrbug> bern: /dev/hda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults,noauto 0 0
[07:33] <bohrbug> bern: put that in /etc/fstab and you'll be able to mount and unmount from the desktop
[07:33] <ficusplanet> bohrbug, Might user be better than defaults?
[07:33] <bohrbug> ficusplanet: yep, sorry
[07:33] <bern> bohrbug: what does noauto 0 0 do?
[07:34] <ficusplanet> bern, noauto means it won't be mounted at boot, which I like because then then user can mount and unmount at his/her whim
[07:34] <bohrbug> that should be user,noauto<TAB>0<TAB>0
[07:35] <bern> bohrbug/ficusplanet: thanks
[07:35] <ficusplanet> bern, no problem
[07:36] <bern> ficusplanet: another problem
[07:37] <ficusplanet> bern, OK
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: ok i have the device applet in the taskbar
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: i can mount and unmount just fine
[07:38] <bern> ficusplanet: as with the device shortcut on the desktop
[07:39] <bern> ficusplanet: but when i try and access it, it says i need root permissions
[07:39] <bern> ficusplanet: wait it says "could not enter /mnt/Windows
[07:39] <bern> should i chmod /mnt/Windows to 777 ?
[07:40] <Pizbit> Nah, doesn't matter
[07:41] <ficusplanet> bern, I'm not sure.  Sorry.  Is your user in the "disk group."
[07:41] <Pizbit> Don't believe so anyway, I believe it takes the permissions set in the mount command.
[07:41] <bern> disk group?
[07:41] <bern> ficusplanet: i believe so
[07:42] <sabmoc> anyone have any success getting various site-lisp edit modes to work in emacs?
[07:42] <bern> ficusplanet: it says "could not enter folder /mnt/Windows"
[07:43] <bern> ficusplanet: i tried changing the permissions through the icon but no luck
[07:43] <Pizbit> bern: What's the mount line?
[07:43] <ficusplanet> bern, I'm not sure why though.  I haven't had that problem when trying to do what you are doing.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> bern, Sorry.
[07:44] <bohrbug> bern: make sure you have the right case in fstab "/mnt/windows" or "/mnt/Windows"
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: ok i figured out what's the matter
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: i did ls -l and it only has root permissions
[07:45] <bern> bohrbug: what's the chmod to have everyone read
[07:46] <Zindar> /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=002  0       0
[07:46] <Zindar> do that
[07:46] <Zindar> in /etc/fstab
[07:46] <bohrbug> bern: chmod ugo+rx /mnt/windows
[07:46] <Zindar> than the user can mount it by computer -> disk
[07:46] <Zindar> bohrbug: no, doesn't help.. you need to mount it right
[07:46] <Zindar> you can't chmod a ntfs filesystem...
[07:47] <bohrbug> Zindar: what about the mnt folder itself?
[07:47] <Zindar> bohrbug: sure.. but I doubt that's the problem
[07:47] <bohrbug> Zindar: ok
[07:49] <gobeavs> hey
[07:50] <bern> Zindar: i don't think it worked
[07:50] <bern> Zindar: i unmounted then did mount -a
[07:51] <bern> Zindar: it still only has root permissions
[07:51] <gobeavs> does ubuntu have apt-get?
[07:51] <gobeavs> im new to ubuntu
[07:51] <gobeavs> and am thinking about trying it
[07:51] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, Yes, it is the default package management tool.
[07:51] <gobeavs> cool
[07:51] <gobeavs> does it work like deb's?
[07:51] <Zindar> bern: as which user did you mount?
[07:52] <bern> sudo
[07:52] <Zindar> bern: did you do Computer -> disk -> click?
[07:52] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, It uses debs.  Ubuntu is a modified debian sid.
[07:52] <Zindar> well dont
[07:52] <Zindar> do it as the user
[07:52] <ficusplanet> bern, if you mount as root, root owns it so to speak
[07:52] <gobeavs> cuz the deb installer wouldn't work for me, and gentoo config has some errors on my comp...dont like slack...need something else
[07:52] <gobeavs> thanks ficus
[07:52] <Zindar> umount... go to computer.. go to disk... click the drive you want
[07:53] <ficusplanet> gobeavs, no problem
[07:53] <sladen> gobeavs: have you tried the 'Ubuntu installer' ?
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: yay it worked
[07:53] <gobeavs> nope
[07:53] <Zindar> bern: of course :)
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: once i got out of root it let me open it
[07:53] <gobeavs> going to probaby install tomarrow
[07:53] <bern> Zindar: what would cause
[07:53] <gobeavs> i had gentoo installed
[07:53] <gobeavs> but kde install borked
[07:54] <gobeavs> i sure hope KDE works ok in ubuntu
[07:54] <gobeavs> im not a fan of gnome
[07:54] <Pizbit> You will become one:)
[07:54] <gobeavs> noooooooooo.....
[07:54] <Pizbit> YES!
[07:54] <gobeavs> does KDE work fine in ubunt?
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> gobeavs: GNOME is a lot more advanced than KDE in many ways
[07:54] <gobeavs> eh
[07:54] <gobeavs> i just dont like the interface and stuff
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> however KDE does work I hear
[07:54] <gobeavs> seems like its from 10 years ago
[07:54] <Pizbit> gobeavs: To get kde you'll need to enable the universe repository but i havn't heard any bad tales about installing it
[07:54] <jdub> gobeavs: KDE should install fine, but it is unsupported.
[07:54] <gobeavs> maybe i just need to get used ot it
[07:55] <Pizbit> gobeavs: Yeah, gnome rocks;)
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> 10 years ago?
[07:55] <gobeavs> kde would prob be the only reason I would try to install debian again
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> compared to KDE .. well, each to their own
[07:55] <calc> gnome is great :)
[07:55] <gobeavs> i want something like apt-get or portage
[07:55] <gobeavs> for dependencies
[07:55] <calc> gobeavs: on which os?
[07:55] <Zindar> I don't know... running kde always makes me sick... guess it's just what you get used to
[07:56] <gobeavs> so i can either have debian, gentoo, or ubuntu...and I have tried Deb and gentoo
[07:56] <gobeavs> both didn't work too well
[07:56] <jdub> let's not compare desktops here, dudes
[07:56] <Zindar> gobeavs: apt-get exists for most distribution..... fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu, etc.... so that shouln't be stopping you
[07:56] <gobeavs> really?
[07:56] <gobeavs> i knew its for fedora
[07:56] <Pizbit> Zindar: Of course, nothing beats apt-get on a debian bases system
[07:56] <calc> gobeavs: and there is yum as well which aiui is similar to apt-get
[07:56] <gobeavs> but i dont want a red hat distro
[07:56] <Zindar> Pizbit: agreed :)
[07:56] <gobeavs> i want something more streamlined
[07:56] <Pizbit> gobeavs: apt-get originates from debian
[07:56] <ficusplanet> jdub, Thanks for always stopping the KDE/GNOME stuff before it gets crazy.
[07:56] <gobeavs> and ive heard good things about debian
[07:57] <gobeavs> i tried slackware, but swaret stunk
[07:57] <calc> gobeavs: well there are really only a few different types of dists: deb, rpm, gentoo/bsd
[07:57] <calc> oh yea and slackware :)
[07:57] <Zindar> gobeavs: give ubuntu a try.. if you don't like it nobody is forcing you to use it.. switch to something else then... I hope (and think) you'll never leave ubuntu once you have it :)
[07:57] <gobeavs> :D
[07:58] <gobeavs> ill be even happier when KDE is supported :P
[07:58] <gobeavs> ok, i gtg to bed
[07:58] <gobeavs> thanks for your help guys
[07:58] <gobeavs> maybe ill see ya later :D
[07:58] <gobeavs> bye
[07:58] <ficusplanet> see ya
[07:59] <Zindar> what is the plan for kde and ubuntu btw? will it be supported in hoary?
[07:59] <Zindar> just out of curiousity
[08:00] <lhb> ubunty made me give up on rpm distros
[08:00] <lhb> i am now 100% rpm free :)
[08:01] <calc> Zindar: doubtful, it doesn't make much sense to support two different desktops, and would require a lot more cd's to do so
[08:02] <Pyguy> Hello
[08:02] <calc> kde-i18n by itself takes a big chunk of a cd
[08:03] <Keybuk> the community could certainly put together and support a KDE-based derivative of Ubuntu
[08:03] <Keybuk> but it's not anything Ubuntu itself will do; though I imagine the council would bless the derivative
[08:04] <Zindar> well.. supported != on the cd
[08:04] <Zindar> there are things in main that's not on the cd today
[08:04] <Pyguy> Ah... is anyone else having trouble changing the resolution using Gnome? Or is it just me?
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, What is the problem?
[08:05] <jdub> Zindar: (no plans for official support of KDE)
[08:05] <Pyguy> I get a distorted image when I try to change it from 1024x768 -> 800x600
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, Are you using an LCD?
[08:05] <Pyguy> Nope, but I am running Ubuntu under VMWare
[08:05] <Zindar> jdub: alright..  I think that's good so you can consentrate on a smaller set of packages and sstuff
[08:05] <Zindar> ahh
[08:06] <Zindar> Pyguy: than that's most likely your problem
[08:06] <Pyguy> :\ Hopefully resizing it manually will work
[08:07] <Pyguy> Damn, was a root passwd set during the installation? I don't remember doing it :P
[08:07] <Zindar> Pyguy: no.. no root password
[08:08] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, use "sudo [command] "
[08:08] <Zindar> Pyguy: try "sudo whatever"
[08:08] <Pyguy> Ah I see, cheers
[08:08] <ficusplanet> Then type your own password
[08:09] <Zotnix> I think (this might be wrong to do) I set a root password by sudo passwd
[08:09] <Zotnix> I can now su into root just fine.
[08:10] <lhb> ubuntu had me because it was debian based and a sweet sweet gnome desktop default
[08:10] <Zindar> Zotnix: there is nothing wrong with that if you prefer... I don't see why but that's me
[08:10] <Zindar> old habits may be hard to break
[08:10] <Zotnix> I still do sudo now.
[08:10] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but have any ubuntu devs considered making a handler for irc:// urls so that we could link to the IRC room from a Web page? 
[08:10] <lhb> and the 1 disk, only 1 disk to download
[08:10] <Zotnix> I'm getting accustomed to sudo.
[08:10] <calc> with kde upstream not even knowing how to manage libraries it would probably be a good thing not to worry about it ;)
[08:11] <Zotnix> Anyone know any good repositories that contain very current packages (namely gaim/firefox/blam type things)
[08:11] <lhb> sudo is actually not that crazy when you have been usinh su all the time
[08:11] <jdub> Zotnix: no, and we'd discourage them
[08:12] <Pyguy> I still require a password even when "sudo [anything] " :\
[08:12] <jdub> Zotnix: what you have is a fully supported distro with a rapid release process
[08:12] <ficusplanet> Zotnix, I would avoid the Firefox preview release because it was downgraded for stability issues.  If you're really interested in bleeding edge, follow hoary.
[08:12] <jdub> Zotnix: when hoary (the devel branch) opens up, you'll get all of those kinds of things, though you'll be running the devel release
[08:12] <Zotnix> Well I wouldn't update the entire system to that unstable
[08:12] <bern> anyone have problems with liquid weather in karamba?
[08:12] <bern> mine gets locked up at the splash screen
[08:13] <Zotnix> Just certain packages.
[08:13] <Zotnix> Like xchat namely
[08:13] <jdub> Zotnix: then you don't get the new packages :)
[08:13] <Zotnix> Heh, I'd use my discretion.
[08:14] <jdub> Zotnix: you have a choice - supported or rapid response development. it's better to make the choice along those lines.
[08:14] <calc> Zotnix: live on the edge :)
[08:14] <Zotnix> I like to.
[08:14] <Zotnix> When I had gentoo I used the entire system under !x86
[08:14] <Zotnix> ~x86
[08:14] <Despair> jdub: Depends. You may want stability in most of your system, but need to track improvements in a few areas. isn't that what `apt-get -t experimental -s upgrade` is for? ;)
[08:15] <joem> Zotnix, ubuntu isn't gentoo
[08:15] <jdub> Despair: no
[08:16] <whiprush> evening everyone
[08:16] <Despair> Wow, apparently I was using debian all wrong then. :)
[08:16] <jdub> pants off, whiprush 
[08:16] <whiprush> on, but loosened.
[08:16] <jdub> Despair: if you thought experimental was something you could upgrade to, and had 'improvements' to your otherwise stable system, yes.
[08:16] <Despair> err, hmm, I was unclear, I wasn't recommending debian experimental in ubuntu. would be hoary here.
[08:17] <jdub> hoary == sid
[08:17] <whiprush> soon my thinkpad x40 will be here and be ubuntusized. And you will all fear. >_<
[08:17] <calc> experimental on debian typically is stuff too broken to risk uploading to sid
[08:17] <jdub> whiprush: you sucker!
[08:17] <Pyguy> Okay, well "sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" still asks me to provide a password for root... is anyone else getting this?
[08:17] <whiprush> jdub: heh, NOT. paid for by work. woo.
[08:18] <ficusplanet> Pyguy, You use your user's password.
[08:18] <Pyguy> :\ Thanks :)
[08:18] <ficusplanet> no problem
[08:18] <justdave> if I build a package locally and I want Synaptic to be able to see it, is there somewhere I can drop the .deb file so it'll find it? or do I have to create a local repository and add it to sources.list?
[08:19] <ficusplanet> justdave, If a package is installed, it will in Synaptic.  But if you want non-installed packages to show up, yes, you need a repository.
[08:19] <jdub> justdave: the latter.
[08:20] <justdave> package in question is missing from universe, but the source is there.  has a co-dependency on one that is built in universe.  Installing either one without passing both of them to apt-get install at once will fail.
[08:20] <justdave> so I guess the other option is to download the deb file for the one that's pre-built and pass them both to dpkg -i
[08:20] <jdub> justdave: download the other deb and dpkg -i
[08:21] <Zotnix> Can't wait for x.org to be used instead of xfree86 >.<
[08:21] <Pyguy> Hm... smooth-scrolling (I don't know if that's what you'd call it) doesn't seem to be working. i.e. Holding down backspace doesn't send it back, until you let go... is this a feature?
[08:22] <justdave> actually, it's dpkg -i that fails if you don't pass both at once. :)  apt-get install can't find one, and won't install the other without it :)
[08:22] <justdave> there's a command-line option for apt-get to download a deb... where's it download to when you do that?  current directory?
[08:23] <jdub> think so
[08:23] <jdub> or check /var/cache/apt/archive
[08:23] <Marjo> justdave: sudo apt-get --help
[08:23] <clee> jdub: it's possible for a friend who can't get ubuntu to find his CDROM during install to tell the installer to use debs from the HD, right?
[08:23] <jdub> i think so
[08:24] <Pyguy> Great, I got it to change resolution properly in VMWare... Should I write up a quick fix for others, or...?
[08:24] <whiprush> someone did a vmware thing in the wiki
[08:24] <whiprush> probably best to add it to that
[08:25] <Pyguy> Yep
[08:25] <calc> clee: daniels installed that way i think
[08:25] <clee> calc: talking to him already
[08:25] <whiprush> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/VMware
[08:25] <whiprush> there it is
[08:26] <justdave> Marjo: that's where I saw the option I was asking about :)  it doesn't say where it downloads to
[08:27] <justdave> looks like it goes to /var/cache/apt/archives, just tried it
[08:29] <Marjo> justdave: Whats wrong with installing the package with "apt-get install <package>"?
[08:29] <justdave> Marjo: because the package isn't built in the repository.
[08:29] <justdave> er, there's two packages, one is built, one isn't.
[08:29] <justdave> both have to be installed together because they're co-dependent on each other
[08:29] <Pizbit> Yeah, dpkg -i deb1 deb2
[08:30] <justdave> so I have to apt-get src one of them and build it
[08:30] <Keybuk> Pizbit: no, really, don't do that
[08:30] <Keybuk> oh, bah, sorry
[08:30] <Pizbit> Keybuk: Why not?:P
[08:30] <Keybuk> misread that command after reading a bug report
[08:30] <Pizbit> Heh
[08:31] <jdub> what's the bug?
[08:32] <Pizbit> The first part is that it's not very visually different whether a folder Documents is open when looking in folder Home, and if there's an emblem over the Documents folder in Home you can't tell very easily at all that it's open
[08:32] <jdub> hrm, you mailed that to u-u, right?
[08:33] <justdave> I actually did this already three or four days ago, but I'm trying to explain to someone else how to do it now, and trying to make sure I have it the easiest way in the instructions :)
[08:33] <Pizbit> jdub: Yeah
[08:34] <Pizbit> oh shit
[08:34] <Pizbit> I just realised what's thumbnailed in one of the open folders.
[08:34] <Pizbit> I swear I didn't notice that when I pasted the link
[08:35] <jdub> replied
[08:35] <Pizbit> Read
[08:36] <|progenic|> excuse me, why my totem always show error message and it stated whether to restart application or quit if i'm trying to play some movie ?
[08:37] <Treenaks> |progenic|: what kind of movie are you trying to plaY?
[08:37] <|progenic|> any type
[08:37] <|progenic|> avi
[08:37] <|progenic|> mpeg
[08:38] <Marjo> Totem wont work with me neither... So I installed VLC with apt.
[08:38] <|progenic|> streaming one included
[08:38] <Pizbit> |progenic|: totem-gst or totem-xine?
[08:38] <|progenic|> gst
[08:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: did you follow the RestrictedFormats howto?
[08:38] <|progenic|> owwww
[08:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats)
[08:38] <|progenic|> i never know about that
[08:38] <|progenic|> thx
[08:39] <Treenaks> |progenic|: the wiki is a huge source of information
[08:40] <Pizbit> "The following repository has packages for i386 only." Erm, I see player 386,586,586,k6,k7...:)
[08:40] <Despair> Nice. Firefox randomly dying during page opens.
[08:41] <Treenaks> Pizbit: the architecture is called i386
[08:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: it means there are no powerpc or amd64 binaries
[08:42] <Treenaks> (or anything else, for that matter)
[08:42] <Pizbit> Oh righty
[08:45] <calc> hmm i thought gstreamer could play dvds now
[08:46] <Zotnix> Despair, yeah, for me that sometimes happens when a page has java.
[08:47] <Pizbit> That reminds me
[08:47] <Despair> Zotnix: I don't have java installed. So I don't think it's java falling over and taking ff with it...
[08:48] <Pizbit> The libnull plugin can be a pita in older versions
[08:48] <Pizbit> Either 0.8/0.9.x I came across it as tohers did.
[09:03] <joolz> morning
[09:04] <joolz> i have a gnome-terminal problem. When it has it's original size it works fine, but when i make it larger, XFree86 will eat up almost all of my CPU when gnoe-terminal displays stuff
[09:05] <joolz> what can i do to fix this? it's really annoying
[09:06] <GoneBoB> gnome-terminal is a giant heap of garbage
[09:06] <GoneBoB> that's essentially the problem :)
[09:06] <Keybuk> hrm?  it isn't
[09:07] <Keybuk> probably the arse-biting there is that pango isn't quite optimised for the most common case yet
[09:07] <bigbrother0074> i love it when people are so incredibly helpful
[09:07] <Keybuk> you're scrolling past large amounts of text in an anti-alias font rendered in a system that does a complete table lookup for each character
[09:08] <cef_work> ho hum. warty doesn't auto-mount ntfs volumes on removable devices (or doesn't seem  to anyway)
[09:10] <lifeless> cef_work: hmm, it should
[09:12] <joolz> Keybuk: thanks, i'll google pango
[09:12] <Keybuk> joolz: there's a large thread on d-d-l about speeding gnome-terminal up at the moment
[09:13] <joolz> Keybuk: hmm, nice. What's d-d-l?
[09:13] <Keybuk> http://lists.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-October/msg00247.html
[09:14] <joolz> Keybuk: great, thanks!
[09:17] <calc> yea miguel wasn't too happy that konsole is much faster than g-t
[09:18] <joem> vte is pretty slugish 
[09:18] <joolz> Pizbit: that's called as/400, right? :)
[09:18] <whiprush> I like how when you screen irssi gnome-terminal turns all blue.
[09:18] <joem> I hear gnome-term is fine without AA
[09:18] <joem> whiprush, my favorite feature too, go figure
[09:18] <calc> whiprush: yep, apparently it only happens with irssi
[09:18] <Pizbit> joolz: That's called me messing around:)
[09:18] <whiprush> :-/
[09:18] <calc> but it always happens with irssi ;)
[09:19] <joolz> Pizbit: hehe
[09:19] <joolz> Well i got a workaround! Background transapancy turned off, and it's solved
[09:19] <cef_work> lifeless: ahh well.. it is a 500 GB partition..
[09:19] <joolz> great!
[09:20] <joolz> whiprush: i screen irssi in g-t all the time. It doesn't turn blue though...
[09:20] <whiprush> give it time. 
[09:20] <cef_work> lifeless: I'll try plugging the other one in
[09:20] <whiprush> it happens just often enough to drive you mad.
[09:20] <whiprush> like some kind of torture.
[09:20] <joolz> whiprush: i have irssi set to no color, maybe that's why i don't have it
[09:21] <lifeless> cef_work: ubuntu uses pmount to do the automounting
[09:22] <lifeless> you could try running pmount by hand
[09:22] <opi^work> Hi
[09:26] <whiprush> hmm, the new forums are pretty nifty.
[09:26] <cef_work> lifeless: yeah it fails.. looking thru device manager it seems that it can't figure out the volume type
[09:26] <daniels> except for the fact I can't post anything, or send any messages :P
[09:27] <daniels> apparently being given Developer status means you get to be silent, heh
[09:27] <whiprush> it's a honeypot
[09:27] <cef_work> lifeless: of course, I'm going to reformat one of them anyway, but I thought I'd give it a shot
[09:27] <cef_work> daniels: no, it's just figured out that you don't matter.. *grin*
[09:30] <spikeb> i'd like to report that if you install gtk1, ut2004 installs and runs just great on ubuntu
[09:30] <daniels> gtk1??
[09:30] <Zindar> what's ut2004?
[09:30] <cef_work> daniels: must be the installer
[09:30] <whiprush> think the installer uses gtk1
[09:30] <spikeb> Zindar,  unreal tournament 2004
[09:30] <spikeb> whiprush,  yes it does - the console installer won't work properly
[09:31] <Gladiak> hi :)
[09:31] <Despair> spikeb: using ubuntu's openal or ut2004's?
[09:31] <spikeb> Despair,  i don't know how to tell that - all i know is i didn't have to do anything besides install the demo and it ran fine
[09:32] <Gladiak> sorry man i've a question...i chande xfree config file. how to restore original one ? i forgot to beckup :(
[09:32] <Zindar> and what's unreal tournament 2004? sounds like a game
[09:32] <Treenaks> Zindar: iti z
[09:32] <Treenaks> iti s
[09:32] <Treenaks> AGH
[09:32] <Treenaks> it is
[09:32] <spikeb> Zindar,  it is. a first person shooter game 
[09:32] <Zindar> ok
[09:33] <spikeb> i can't tell if the sound worked or not, however - i don't have speakers at the moment
[09:33] <Gladiak> nobody can help me ?
[09:34] <Gladiak> :
[09:34] <TheMuso> Gladiak: What is ht problem?
[09:34] <TheMuso> away
[09:34] <Gladiak> sorry man i've a question...i change xfree config file. how to restore original one ? i forgot to beckup :(
[09:34] <Gladiak> hi muso :P
[09:34] <Gladiak> i have to rebuild xfree ?
[09:34] <spikeb> if you didnt backup, then you have to edit the file by hand and change it to what it was
[09:34] <TheMuso> Gladiak: What config files?
[09:35] <Gladiak> XFConfig4
[09:35] <Terk> Galdiak: You could try deinstalling X and reinstalling it via synaptic
[09:35] <lhb> dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[09:35] <TheMuso> Gladiak: Do you remember what you changed?
[09:35] <spikeb> yeah that'll work
[09:35] <Gladiak> synaptics touchpad 
[09:35] <Gladiak> section
[09:35] <Gladiak> ok i'll try dpkg way
[09:37] <Gladiak> anyone here has a synaptic touchpad section to paste in query ?
[09:37] <Gladiak> it's aster
[09:37] <Gladiak> faster :P
[09:37] <spikeb> nope
[09:37] <spikeb> i dont
[09:37] <Gladiak> argh :/
[09:37] <Gladiak> np
[09:39] <Gladiak> i have to reconfigure xfree86 - common
[09:39] <Gladiak> ok xserver-xfree86 ?
[09:40] <Gmail> so...?
[09:41] <Terk> Does anybody have any idea why my Radio stations wont play anymore (in rhytmbox)??
[09:41] <Gmail> ok wehn is the hoary meeting (like in how many hrs)?
[09:41] <Gmail> that will be held in #ubuntu-devel
[09:41] <Pizbit> Bastards, no one told me that dinner wasn't gonna be cooked tonight
[09:41] <Terk> Could not open vfs file "[url] " for reading
[09:41] <whiprush> i thought it was #ubuntu-meeting?
[09:42] <Gmail> whiprush: you are correct
[09:42] <Despair> Terk: I've had weird problems with rhythmbox. Sometimes it doesn't update id3 info on songs, sometimes it does. Sometimes it wont play at all...
[09:42] <Gmail> they change it or i remebered incorectly
[09:42] <Pizbit> Despair: I reckon you're best off with even xmms
[09:42] <Terk> Despair: strange, it worked 2 days ago and upon till now it never work anymore
[09:43] <Despair> Pizbit: been using gxine, intend to try amarok since people keep suggesting it.
[09:43] <Terk> Amarok?? Why?
[09:43] <spikeb> ew
[09:43] <Pizbit> Terk: Because it's the best?
[09:43] <Terk> Haha
[09:43] <Gmail> any way the spread firefox guys are rich now
[09:43] <Terk> I know it's okay, but the best...
[09:44] <Terk> I've installed muine earlier on
[09:44] <Pizbit> Terk: xmms is old, decrepid and lacking in features, same for rythmbox which never seems to work right.
[09:44] <Treenaks> Pizbit: rhythmbox is quite new
[09:44] <Terk> Correct
[09:44] <joolz> imho rhythmbox isn't very useful. The idea is good, but it won't even play wav's That's a showstopper for me
[09:44] <Treenaks> Pizbit: and what are the missing features?
[09:44] <Terk> What about jamoree
[09:44] <Terk> ?
[09:44] <Pizbit> Treenaks: cover lookup, music brainz
[09:44] <Pizbit> Never heard of that one.
[09:45] <Terk> And hi btw Treenaks (you're early!)
[09:45] <Treenaks> Terk: I am? :)
[09:45] <Treenaks> Terk: I've been awake for 3 hours 8)
[09:45] <Terk> .... oke... 
[09:45] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Does rythmbox do crossfade?
[09:45] <Treenaks> Terk: btw, #ubuntu-nl is open for business 
[09:45] <Terk> I know!
[09:45] <Terk> I'm already in!
[09:45] <Terk> haha
[09:46] <Treenaks> Pizbit: I personally think crossfade is annoying, but no, afaik rhythmbox doesn't do it
[09:46] <spikeb> yes it does
[09:46] <joolz> Treenaks: #ubuntu-nl? Niiice
[09:47] <Treenaks> joolz: /join us :)
[09:47] <spikeb> when is this meeting? :)
[09:47] <whiprush> nl?
[09:47] <Treenaks> whiprush: The Netherlands/Dutch
[09:47] <whiprush> oh
[09:47] <lhb> afrikaans?
[09:48] <Treenaks> lhb: not quite :)
[09:51] <opi^work> I could get #ubuntu-pl, but talking to myself may be a sign of mental ilness ;}
[09:51] <Pizbit> pl?
[09:51] <opi^work> yes, pl
[09:51] <Pizbit> = ?
[09:51] <opi^work> A country near Germany, Russia, Czech, Slovakia and Baltic Sea
[09:52] <Pizbit> rrright
[09:52] <lhb> #ubuntu-fi
[09:52] <opi^work> Pizbit: Poland
[09:53] <Pizbit> ahh
[09:53] <Pizbit> brain freeze
[09:53] <opi^work> no problem
[09:53] <opi^work> Im not patriot-zelot ;pp
[09:53] <Pizbit> hehe
[09:53] <spikeb> :)
[09:54] <opi^work> most people outside Europe are confused by East
[09:55] <opi^work> ie. they're confusing pl with Portugal 
[09:55] <opi^work> I used to it :)
[09:55] <Pizbit> Heh
[09:55] <Niterider> hello
[09:56] <Niterider> how do i mount my windows partition with ubuntu
[09:57] <Niterider> anyone around?
[09:57] <opi^work> Niterider: mount -t vfat /dev/partition /where
[09:58] <opi^work> Niterider: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/partition /where -o umask=000
[09:58] <Pizbit> It oculd be ntfs:)
[09:58] <Pizbit> Damn my typing sucks today
[09:58] <opi^work> it's just an exaple ;)
[09:59] <opi^work> I bet he don't have /where nor /dev/partition
[09:59] <opi^work> ;-)
[09:59] <Pizbit> Good odds on that one.
[09:59] <Niterider> ok..i'll try that...thanks
[09:59] <Niterider> odds?
[09:59] <Niterider> meaning?
[10:00] <Pizbit> Need a wiki page for mounting the windows partition methinks.
[10:00] <Pizbit> Niterider: In joke, don't worry.
[10:00] <Niterider> lol..ok..
[10:00] <[Bas] > Netminder, when it's a ntfs partition: sudo mount -t ntfs -o uid=<username>, gid=<username> /dev/partition /where
[10:00] <Niterider> mine is fat 32
[10:00] <sabmoc> what kind of firewall security does ubuntu come with out of the box
[10:00] <bern> hey can anyone help me out with xsmbrowser?
[10:01] <opi^work> sabmoc: like most Linux boxes
[10:01] <Niterider> you don't really need one
[10:01] <bern> i'm trying to copy files from my desktop to my laptop but i can't mount because it says only root can mount
[10:01] <Treenaks> bern: nautilus (the normal "file browser") tends to work better
[10:01] <Niterider> you can grab firestarter
[10:01] <bern> Treenaks: i'll try that
[10:02] <Pizbit> Treenaks: The nautilus one has problems with win2k shares though
[10:02] <sabmoc> opi^work: like most linux boxes like redhat, or like most linux boxes like some distro nobodys ever heard of.
[10:02] <opi^work> sabmoc: iptables
[10:02] <Pizbit> bern: You don't need to mount it to copy the files across
[10:02] <Niterider> if it wasn't for the cam part i would be able to kick windass for good
[10:02] <sabmoc> opi^work: ah, i meant to ask: how secure is a default install.
[10:02] <bern> Treenaks: i'm using kde though i can't use nautilis can i?
[10:03] <bern> Pizbit: it won't let me open the directory though
[10:03] <Pizbit> bern: right-click on an item in the shares and click save
[10:03] <Treenaks> bern: of course you can
[10:03] <jdub> sabmoc: by default, nothing listens on a public interface at all
[10:03] <Pizbit> bern: Ahh, need user/pass? But them into the box just under the main area
[10:03] <Pizbit> er, But -> Put
[10:04] <CHS> hm, my rythmbox has massive problems importing large directories - is this a know issue?
[10:04] <Pizbit> Anyway, me -> out for food.
[10:04] <Zindar> CHS: how large?
[10:04] <CHS> Zindar: > 10 G
[10:05] <Zindar> CHS: strange.. I've imported my iriver into it on several occations.. not a problem.. 20GB
[10:05] <Zindar> or.. 18
[10:05] <CHS> Zindar: it seems that not the size itself causes problems but some directories
[10:05] <joem> I can import 40+ gigs fine, problem is probably deeper then "a large directory"
[10:05] <bern> Pizbit: i already put the user and pass in there in order to get into the box
[10:05] <CHS> Zindar: oh, yet another iriver user :)
[10:05] <bern> Pizbit: but it won't open folders and when i right clicked the folder and hit save it just created a new folder of the same name there
[10:06] <CHS> Zindar: are this just plain directories with .ogg/.mp3 files or do you also have some .jpg file inside them?
[10:07] <sabmoc> jdub: thats good, i also like it if iptables is setup to drop all all unrequested syn packets but i guess you cant do that by default since its only useful is you dont plan to log into the box remotely at any time, but it sure does make things secure 
[10:07] <Zindar> CHS: just .ogg and .mp3.. and only 3-4 levels deep... 
[10:08] <bern> Treenaks: when i do apt-cache search, all the nautilis packages are for gnome gui shell
[10:08] <Treenaks> bern: yes..
[10:08] <Treenaks> bern: so unless you removed it, it's instaled
[10:09] <bern> Treenaks: well i just tried running nautilus, but it didn't work
[10:09] <Treenaks> bern: sorry, can't help you, I only know Gnome
[10:11] <topyli> bern: how did you try to run it? try nautilus --no-desktop --browser
[10:12] <Niterider> sorry..i last question..i forgot to ask..is there a repository i can add that has a deb of a jre?
[10:13] <topyli> Niterider: best to use the debian java-package package and make a deb from sun's java
[10:13] <spikeb> heh
[10:14] <ygnome> Niterider: got one that works on debian sid if you want it (blackdown)
[10:14] <spikeb> i havent even bothered making a deb
[10:14] <Niterider> i've never done that...i guess i'll try, i was lookin for the easy way
[10:14] <topyli> Niterider: that's the easy way :)
[10:14] <Niterider> is ubuntu based on sid
[10:14] <ygnome> Niterider: deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/java-linux/debian unstable main non-free
[10:14] <spikeb> Niterider, yes
[10:15] <ygnome> Niterider: there will be a closer mirror, just go to blackdown.org
[10:15] <Niterider> super...ty..got it up here now
[10:15] <topyli> Niterider: when you need java, go to Sun
[10:15] <Niterider> ok..i'll look
[10:15] <Niterider> what's the drawback to this blackdown one?
[10:16] <ygnome> dunno. works for me :)
[10:16] <Niterider> k...
[10:16] <Niterider> thanks much
[10:16] <ygnome> ask topyli 
[10:16] <topyli> my unscientifically unproven argument: Sun's is faster
[10:16] <bern> topyli: just nautilus &
[10:16] <ygnome> he seems to know...
[10:16] <Niterider> i'll give er a whirl
[10:16] <Niterider> ok..i see
[10:16] <Despair> topyli: how does IBM's compare these days?
[10:16] <Niterider> i'll try the blackdown
[10:16] <Niterider> thanks again
[10:16] <Niterider> g'night
[10:17] <topyli> Despair: i've never had ibm's java
[10:17] <ygnome> topyli: there was a hack I heard about, running the server java binary or something for apps. do you know of it?
[10:18] <topyli> Despair: sun owns java, others try to imitate :)
[10:18] <Despair> topyli: last time I looked (about a year ago, it thoroughly beat up Sun's for speed and stability on ia32)
[10:18] <spikeb> oh, i found out i can get my ibook repaired for free, so soon i shall have ubuntu on that, as well
[10:18] <spikeb> asumming sleep works
[10:18] <topyli> Despair: may be true, i'm not an expert. what i do know is sun's java runtime _seems_ faster than blackdown
[10:19] <Gmail> 3  	Ubuntu  	995<
[10:19] <Gmail> 4 	SUSE 	992
[10:19] <spikeb> Gmail, nice.
[10:19] <Gmail> and suse just relested a new version yesterday that why its up
[10:19] <ygnome> topyli: can you get suns' without all the account signup rubbish now?
[10:19] <spikeb> i prefer ubuntu for a very simple reason - it's a GNOME desktop os
[10:19] <topyli> ygnome: no, the rubbish is there :)
[10:20] <spikeb> actually yes you can
[10:20] <spikeb> go to java.com and click manual download
[10:20] <Gmail> spikeb: i was guessing 1050 but i guess people did view the page and leave an auto-refersher to refersh every 5 seconds
[10:20] <topyli> ygnome: what do you mean "signup"? you just accept the license
[10:20] <edlang> Anyone here running ubuntu with a 2.6.7-1 kernel inside VMWare?
[10:21] <ygnome> topyli: last time I got sun's java, I had to sign up this big agreement, filling in all my details.
[10:21] <edlang> For me, /etc/init.d/rcS is segfaulting when it tries to fork as it progresses through processing /etc/rcS.d/
[10:21] <spikeb> ahh
[10:21] <spikeb> ygnome,  no, that's gone
[10:21] <topyli> ygnome: oh yeah. it's not that complicated now
[10:21] <edlang> which causes the system to, uh, throw a tantrum
[10:21] <ygnome> spikeb: thank heavens for that. do they have .debs yet?
[10:22] <opi^work> http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/sl-c3000/wpc2004/index.html -- sweet
[10:22] <daniels> edlang: bong
[10:22] <spikeb> ygnome,  nope. just bin or rpm.bin
[10:22] <topyli> ygnome: it's simple to make one with the debian java-package package like i said
[10:22] <bob2> edlang: which vmware version? some of my friends had problems pre-4.5.2
[10:22] <topyli> ygnome: one command
[10:22] <ygnome> topyli: I missed that, how do you do it?
[10:22] <edlang> hi daniels
[10:22] <daniels> yo
[10:23] <edlang> bob2: ah, yeah, this 4.0.5
[10:23] <topyli> ygnome: i forget. it's described on the packages.debian.org page
[10:23] <edlang> the install was also fubar, so I had to install over a debian sarge install
[10:23] <bob2> edlang: tho you got further than he did, it was panicking during the inital unpack
[10:24] <edlang> now I want to install a newer kernel so I can install the vmware tools
[10:24] <ygnome> topyli: ok. I'll make a note to try it next time. blackdown is fine for running the SAP java gui, which is all I need it for...
[10:24] <edlang> (why are there no packaged kernel sources that match the default 2.4.27 kernel image?)
[10:24] <topyli> ygnome: blackdown works too of course
[10:24] <bob2> edlang: ubuntu doesn't support 2.4 kernels
[10:24] <edlang> uh
[10:25] <bob2> edlang: the default is 2.6.8.1
[10:25] <daniels> sarge's default is 2.4.27 ...
[10:25] <edlang> ah, yeah, so that's the debian kernel 
[10:25] <ygnome> topyli: oh yea, and jalbum
[10:25] <bob2> ah
[10:25] <topyli> daniels: oh, so they have upgraded from 2.2 already? =)
[10:25] <slade_ubuntu> how do you start sshd in ubuntu?
[10:26] <topyli> ygnome: jalbum rules
[10:26] <spikeb> has anyone tried out the gtk-webcore stuff yet?
[10:26] <jdub> slade_ubuntu: apt-get install openssh-server
[10:26] <opi^work> spikeb: try Atlantis
[10:26] <ygnome> topyli: too right. wish F-Spot would pick it up or mimic it as a publishing backend...
[10:26] <spikeb> opi^work, i'm considering doing just that.
[10:27] <slade_ubuntu> jdub: thx..i tried apt-get install openssh and that didnt work
[10:27] <topyli> ygnome: it's non-free isn't it though?
[10:27] <slade_ubuntu> guess it would help to get the pkg right
[10:27] <ygnome> topyli: actually, I have no idea :(
[10:27] <topyli> ygnome: i guess it's "freeware"
[10:28] <topyli> hey! i don't even have jalbum now! i guess i haven't taken too many pictures lately :)
[10:29] <Zindar> no
[10:29] <edlang> daniels: when you did something similar to what I've done, did you have to mess aroudn with the init scripts?
[10:29] <Zindar> openssh if free
[10:29] <Zindar> 100%
[10:29] <Zindar> it's just called sshd in ubuntu
[10:29] <topyli> Zindar: of course. ygnome and i are talking about jalbum
[10:29] <bob2> openssh-server in Ubuntu.
[10:29] <Zindar> ahh
[10:29] <Zindar> sorry
[10:30] <Zindar> sshd worked for me :)
[10:30] <daniels> edlang: er no, since I only used netboot
[10:30] <daniels> there was no sarge install component
[10:30] <Zindar> ohh.. ssh
[10:30] <ygnome> topyli: I can't find anything on the website to say, apart from 'free'
[10:30] <Zindar> not sshd
[10:30] <bob2> yeah
[10:30] <topyli> ygnome: where's the source? :)
[10:31] <edlang> Could someone please give me a URL, or email me, their /etc/init.d/rcS?
[10:31] <topyli> edlang: i can upload it to my site, hold on
[10:31] <bob2> http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/rcS
[10:32] <topyli> ok, bob2 was faster :)
[10:32] <edlang> thanks
[10:32] <ygnome> topyli: "I haven't decided on open sourcing the full program (yet), but I plan on keeping JAlbum free in the future anyway"
[10:33] <bob2> erk, don't encourage people to do linux shareware
[10:33] <ygnome> topyli: so, not GPL, some libs are released LGPL tho.
[10:33] <ygnome> bob2: well, it's java freeware.
[10:34] <bob2> ew.
[10:34] <edlang> hmm, no difference in these rcS's.
[10:35] <topyli> bob2: java stuff is often "freeware" :(
[10:36] <edlang> is /bin/sh on ubuntu a statically linked shell?
[10:36] <topyli> ygnome: "free in the future anyway". he doesn't know what free is :)
[10:37] <bob2> edlang: it's just regular bash
[10:37] <edlang> hmm
[10:37] <topyli> hacking is hard. i'm trying to make gtksourceview undestand bash but i don't know bash well enough :)
[10:38] <edlang> installing ash and linking it to /bin/sh fixed that problem.
[10:39] <topyli> edlang: how compatible is ash with bash? if it's poorly compatible, it might break some scripts
[10:40] <ygnome> topyli: I'm gunna tell garrett about it, maybe he has some ideas.
[10:40] <topyli> ygnome: about what? :)
[10:40] <bob2> topyli: scripts that use bash-specific features but don't explicitly use /bin/bash are looked down upon in debian
[10:40] <ygnome> topyli: about similar things he can do in F-Spot :)
[10:41] <__daniel> hai
[10:41] <bob2> where "looked down upon" = "the maintainer is flamed on debian-devel"
[10:41] <Treenaks> bob2: twice.
[10:41] <topyli> ygnome: ah
[10:41] <topyli> bob2: that
[10:41] <topyli> s quite effective
[10:41] <bob2> hehe
[10:41] <topyli> unlike my typing :)
[10:45] <defendguin> ok im tired anything going on?
[10:46] <BeTa> does it happens to anyone to see X freezing on PPC laptops (here I have a PowerBook G4 15")
[10:46] <BeTa> s/anyone/someone/
[10:47] <defendguin> BeTa, X freezes on my i686
[10:47] <defendguin> right after gnome has finished loading after i login
[10:47] <spikeb> x is fine for me
[10:47] <spikeb> heh
[10:47] <bob2> BeTa: works fine on my ibook
[10:50] <BeTa> k :c/
[10:51] <bob2> is it just X freezing?
[10:58] <edlang> well, this is a crap situation. 
[10:58] <edlang> I cannae fork in this mashup debian/ubuntu install when using a 2.6 kernel
[11:07] <topyli> enrico: hello there, remember juha?
[11:08] <enrico> topyli: hey!
[11:09] <enrico> topyli: I do remember juha
[11:09] <fabbione> bella enrico 
[11:09] <enrico> fabbione: !!
[11:09] <topyli> enrico: working hard, or slacking? :)
[11:09] <helix> fichissimo
[11:09] <fabbione> helix: always!
[11:09] <fabbione> :P
[11:09] <helix> heh
[11:10] <enrico> helix: ehy, you too around here!
[11:10] <helix> enrico: yeah, I have to keep tabs on things ;)
[11:10] <topyli> so nobody uses debian anymore? =)
[11:10] <enrico> topyli: everyone uses Debian
[11:10] <topyli> enrico: yeah, like ubuntu users
[11:17] <mjr> so you basically want a cdrw with ~700M lasers so you can flash the whole disk at once
[11:17] <mjr> (trust me, you do _not_ want to spin a cd at x20000)
[11:17] <topyli> mjr: your idea is better :)
[11:18] <topyli> backing up sucks currently
[11:18] <mjr> of course, maybe one laser per track would do...
[11:18] <enrico> Or a video beamer which uses laser instead of a lamp, then you line up a number of empty CDs on the wall and display the CD image
[11:18] <Despair> if they'd been sane and done circular tracks instead of spiral, it'd be easy to write multiple tracks at once. ;)
[11:19] <Pizbit> heh
[11:20] <topyli> "complete". i like that
[11:21] <enrico_market> brb
[11:21] <topyli> i mean the cd is ready, not enrico's on-the-wall burning device (yet)
[11:22] <Pizbit> 20000x cdrs would be fun
[11:22] <Pizbit> Wonder what they'd be made of.
[11:22] <Treenaks> Pizbit: pressing is easier
[11:22] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Not as fun though.
[11:22] <topyli> Pizbit: kryptonite of course
[11:22] <spikeb> i'd hazard a guess that they'd be made of 200000x cdr material
[11:23] <topyli> rofl
[11:23] <topyli> is that an element or would i have to manufacture it specifically?
[11:25] <Treenaks> topyli: you could use my 200000x cdr fusion reactor
[11:26] <topyli> Treenaks: but i bet its operation costs are quite high. would the discs be very expensive then? i'm worried that the market wouldn't accept them
[11:26] <Pizbit> topyli: That doesn't matter since you've presumably silenced any/all opposition.
[11:26] <topyli> ah, of course
[11:27] <topyli> we are _so_ smart and evil!
[11:27] <Treenaks> topyli: The market will accept them, because if they don't, I'll make my puppet government accept them..
[11:28] <topyli> Treenaks: well, i'd have the treenaxian market secured for sure then
[11:29] <Treenaks> topyli: no, we don't need _your_ disks.
[11:29] <topyli> Treenaks: what? are you stealing my INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY?
[11:30] <edlang> so, I'm SOOL?
[11:31] <topyli> sool?
[11:31] <edlang> shit out of luck
[11:31] <topyli> oh. we'll see after i settle the score with treenaks
[11:31] <Treenaks> topyli: stealing? I'd call it re-appropriating
[11:32] <edlang> given that processes aren't able to fork 
[11:32] <Treenaks> edlang: rebooting helps..
[11:32] <topyli> edlang: oh, not everyone is talking about my cd factory :)
[11:32] <topyli> Treenaks: i guess if you plan to "liberate" my IP, i might as well go to work
[11:33] <Pizbit> Yours? I thought you were borrowing mine.
[11:33] <spikeb> lol
[11:33] <Pizbit> Danged thieves everyone of them ubuntu users.
[11:34] <spikeb> hahahah
[11:35] <edlang> Treenaks: bastardised debian / ubuntu install inside vmware; everything works with debian's 2.4 kernel; init fails with ubuntu's 2.6.7; processes cannot fork with ubuntu's 2.6.8.1
[11:35] <Pizbit> With the exception of I of course.
[11:35] <spikeb> heh
[11:35] <edlang> problems are reproducible
[11:35] <spikeb> edlang,  sounds thrilling
[11:36] <Kamion> current vmware?
[11:36] <edlang> Kamion: a little old, 4.0.5
[11:36] <Kamion> we've had reports of bugs in that that are fixed in 4.5, IIRC
[11:38] <jono> heya all
[11:39] <jono> anyone having trouble running gdesklets in ubuntu?
[11:39] <daniels> jono: hey
[11:39] <jono> heya daniels )
[11:39] <jono> :)
[11:40] <xinel> is there a good readme on how to connect computers on a lan and share between 2k and ubuntu?
[11:43] <jono> anyone know of a way to delete a panel applet without right clicking and removing it?
[11:43] <spikeb> xinel,  in theory, you should be able to set up a windows shared folder/file and then use the network browser to get to it
[11:43] <spikeb> brb
[11:48] <port7> ok, sources.list
[11:48] <port7> if i uncomment universe
[11:48] <jono> damn gdesklets wont work
[11:48] <port7> do i need to comment out restricted
[11:48] <port7> jono, i cant get rid of gnome applets without right clicking either...
[11:49] <port7> is that a 'feature' of gnome?
[11:49] <jono> port7, I killed the process
[11:49] <port7> k
[11:53] <joem> what other way would you have an applet be removed?
[11:55] <ploum> port7, you can edit by hand the config file
[11:56] <ploum>  think that applet config are in gconf, you can use gconf-editor
[11:56] <ploum> but buy a mouse, it will be easier !
[11:56] <Keybuk> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Sessions; [Current Session]  tab; find the applet's process, click Remove, then Apply
[11:57] <Keybuk> or just right-click and select Remove from Panel :)
[11:58] <port7> ploum: yeah i do that anyway, just wondering if universe can exist without restricted...
[11:59] <ploum> port7, why not ?
[11:59] <ploum> if you want only free software (as in speech), use main and universe
[12:00] <port7> the reason for the train of thought is that i get errors when i apt-get update
[12:00] <jono> how can I map my windows key to something in X?
[12:00] <jono> is xmodmap the way to go?
[12:00] <Keybuk> jono: it should already be mapped to the Super key
[12:00] <jono> Keybuk, super key?
[12:00] <Keybuk> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard ... in the Layout Options tab you can change its behaviour
[12:00] <sven_> Hello - i'd be glad if you could help me. Which plugin or package do i have to install to play mp3's in rhythmbox? Or are mp3's restricted in ubuntu due to licencing?
[12:01] <jono> I want to know how to do it in X as opposed to GNOME
[12:01] <Keybuk> jono: Shift, Control, Alt, Meta, Super, Hyper ... for all your bucky bit needs
[12:01] <joem> sven you need the gstreamer-mad package
[12:01] <Keybuk> jono: that requires deep voodoo and knowledge of xkb :)
[12:01] <joem> 0.8 version
[12:01] <port7> ploum: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[12:01] <port7>   Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:01] <joem> should be in universe
[12:01] <jono> Keybuk, whats what I want to know :)
[12:02] <Keybuk> jono: afaik there are three people in the world who understand it all, and two of them are in a mental asylum
[12:02] <jono> hehe
[12:02] <port7> must be over the road from me, there were some strange screams over the weekend
[12:02] <ploum> port7, there's a mistake in your sources.list
[12:02] <merriam> jono: it's already super. what else to you want it to be?
[12:02] <ploum> I think
[12:02] <port7> all i did was uncomment universe...
[12:03] <sven_> Ok - thanks. I just did't tell synaptic to search in universe :)
[12:03] <ploum> and did you apt-get update ?
[12:03] <jono> what is a super key?
[12:03] <port7> yeah
[12:03] <port7> thats what i get when i agu
[12:03] <merriam> jono: it's like another kind of alt
[12:03] <merriam> jono: try using it in key bindings
[12:04] <jono> right
[12:04] <jono> is this set in GNOME?
[12:04] <xinel> hrmms the unoficial forums arn't much of a help with sharing files over the network with samba
[12:04] <Keybuk> jono: Super and Hyper are additional bucky keys for keyboards with more than just shift, control & alt
[12:04] <Keybuk> Meta is technically another, but that's traditionally the same key as Alt (ie Alt generates both Alt and Meta buckies)
[12:05] <jono> right
[12:05] <merriam> the windows to super mapping is X.  you can use it from gnome
[12:05] <jono> is xmodmap used to set these mappings?
[12:05] <merriam> try desktop preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[12:06] <merriam> jono: yes
[12:07] <merriam> unlike debian, ubuntu starts out with a sensible keymap
[12:08] <Keybuk> hrm?  I didn't think we had diverged there
[12:09] <merriam> i think so.  last time i installed debian, it did nothing with the windows key
[12:09] <merriam> maybe that has changed
[12:11] <merriam> jono: what do you want to do with the keyboard?  i'm interested in what people do with keyboards
[12:12] <jono> merriam, I have a windows key and a bunch of other keys that are not doing anything and I just want to make them useful
[12:13] <merriam> a particularly useful type of key is a modifier.  that is why the windows key is set as a modifier.  do you want it to be an ordinary key?
[12:13] <port7> rip it off and put it on a chain
[12:13] <port7> might start a new trend
[12:13] <merriam> :)
[12:15] <MyKq3> hello ... for some resone i can't install quake 3 arena from the cd its gives me "quake3.sh: line 67: bin/x86/glibc-2.1/quake3: Permission denied" though i m a su
[12:16] <merriam> MyKq3: shouldn't that path start with "/usr/"?
[12:16] <merriam> you don't put games under /bin
[12:17] <MyKq3> i think this pash should b on the cd ...
[12:17] <MyKq3> i don't want to put them there .... i just want to install the game for 1st thing 
[12:18] <merriam> there's something strange about the install script.  is it meant to install on red hat or something?
[12:18] <whiprush> I map my super key to super-l for lock, and super-e for home dir, makes it easier to move back from windows and gnome.
[12:19] <MyKq3> merriam, don't kwon ...  i hop not 
[12:20] <phin> morning
[12:20] <MyKq3> merriam,  hum... it seems to b my bad ... there is a setup script as well .. :\  
[12:21] <gruberman> hi ho
[12:26] <skar> hi, suppose i send a mail to a@a.com in evolution, how do i instruct evolution to automatically add a@a.com to my addressbook ala mozilla,thunderbird?
[12:26] <cef> what sort of server-side samba admin tools are in ubuntu apart from webmin? and are any of them any good?
[12:26] <Treenaks> skar: wait for the new version of evolution, basically
[12:27] <skar> treenaks:hmm screwes until then, so is there a way to import mozilla addressbook into evolution atleast?
[12:29] <Treenaks> skar: File -> Import ?
[12:33] <skar> treenaks:it doesn't understand mozilla yet
[12:34] <jono> when I use the GNOME keyboard bindings tool I can't combine the Windows super key with another letter to form a combination - any idea why?
[12:35] <spiv> jono: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1390
[12:35] <jono> ahhh its a bug then
[12:36] <spiv> There's a workaround in the comments that might help ypu
[12:36] <spiv> "you", rather
[12:42] <xf> howdy
[12:42] <richnrockvillemd> Howdy!
[12:47] <gruberman> How good is openoffice when it comes to saving documents in word format?
[12:47] <xf> hi to you too
[12:47] <Gmail> oh crap this /slap script is horrible
[12:47] <xf> i've asked this before, didn't get much of a response, but i'll try again anyway
[12:48] <Gmail> LOL small winblows
[12:48] <xf> i've been a huge fan of woody + very few selected backports as it's a combination i can be sure requires very little administrative effort, and remote systems can be upgraded with pretty much a guarantee things won't break
[12:48] <xf> other distro's that package up the latest and greatest applications sometimes can be problematic with upgrades. data files change slightly, configurations break, et al
[12:48] <xf> i'm curious what ubuntu's policy is on server-style packages
[12:49] <xf> i've had bad experiences running sid as a remote server distro, and using sarge scares me because of the whole delay with security updates, and it's various stages of broken-ness
[12:49] <xf> ubuntu seems ideal, really
[12:49] <azeem> heya, users of the next-generation Linux distri
[12:50] <xf> is server stuff a big ubuntu goal, or is the project really desktop orientated (for now)?
[12:50] <stvn> xf: sarge gets security updates now (IIRC) due to being near release, don't know much about ubuntu's server aspirations
[12:50] <Keybuk> it's a goal, what we think are the best servers in each class are in supported
[12:50] <Keybuk> our servers run warty
[12:50] <xf> yeah, but debian's 2 year cycles makes it a rather changing target for colo'ed servers
[12:51] <xf> one second you've got reasonably up to date software, the next second you're backporting, the next you're swearing because things are so horribly outdated
[12:51] <stvn> heh
[12:51] <merriam> xf: i run server software in gentoo, chrooted under ubuntu
[12:51] <xf> i'm talking hoardes of colocated servers
[12:51] <xf> i guess i should explain myself better.  any of you heard of the qbalt project?
[12:52] <xf> gpl'ed reincarnation of the cobalt boxes. new distro, new web interface, etc
[12:52] <xf> i've been hacking on it for god knows how long now, but one of the biggest reasons i've delayed releasing it is due to debian's policies
[12:52] <azeem> so I have two computers running ubuntu at home, one connected via WLAN. Can somebody recommend what network file system I should use to get /home from the other one if it is turned on? (if it is not turned on, then there should be no problem just not mounting /home)
[12:52] <xf> i love debian's tools, userland, and general thinking, but i hate the 2 year release cycles. backporting at the kind of scale to support that many users is a pain
[12:53] <xf> most my qbalt targets at the moment are things such as network-style gateways for businesses and schools
[12:53] <xf> runs a mail server, does spam/virus filtering for incoming/outgoing mail, runs ip masq, squid, samba, web interface to manage all this, etc
[12:53] <xf> upgrades need to be smooth. i mean, nothing /ever/ has to break
[12:53] <xf> things break, it spells doom
[12:54] <xf> hence why i'm not happy to run sid
[12:54] <whiprush> well, 6 month releases with 18 months of security support might be ideal.
[12:54] <xf> and sarge isn't a terribly secure choice
[12:54] <xf> yes, exactly
[12:54] <xf> i'm just curious what the focus is on ubuntu's packages
[12:54] <xf> see, right now, i've been maintaining my own backports on woody
[12:54] <xf> which works well, but goddamn, it's a /lot/ of work
[12:54] <whiprush> cobalts are cool, wish I had one, sounds like fun.
[12:54] <xf> and i'm only at the scale of a few dozen of my own servers
[12:55] <xf> see, i'd like to know i can upgrade to the latest ubuntu packages /without/ things breaking
[12:55] <merriam> azeem: nfs-user-server is one way to do it
[12:55] <xf> and if they do, things are kept to be very minimal, and they're predictable
[12:55] <whiprush> well hard to tell, since it's only the first release, heh.
[12:55] <Gmail> xf: most of ubuntu's package are from testing(/sid?) of debian
[12:55] <xf> i.e. if version 4.56.32 comes out, other distros might instantly package it up and release it. that minor version upgrade might /slightly/ break some configs. when you're talkign web interfaces and users that don't know jack, that's a problem
[12:55] <azeem> merriam: aren't there problems when e.g. the WLAN connection is flakey?
[12:56] <whiprush> yeah but if he sticks to supported packages I bet it would be relatively trouble-free
[12:56] <xf> Gmail: understand that they're frozen from debian
[12:56] <xf> i'm talking policies on updating packages
[12:56] <xf> with that 6 month release cycle, are things backported much like woody, i.e. packages only recieve security/bug updates?
[12:57] <xf> or are full package updates released?
[12:57] <xf> see, the latter might sound good, but i'm trying to say that it can cause problems
[12:57] <whiprush> no, just the security stuff from what I've read.
[12:57] <xf> i like woody's mentality, but 2 year cycles are just too long
[12:57] <xf> oh. nice.
[12:57] <merriam> azeem: i don't know.  i use it only with ethernet
[12:57] <xf> is there somewhere where that is solidly documented?
[12:57] <xf> i'd base qbalt on an ubuntu base in an instant if that's the case
[12:57] <whiprush> in the wiki probably. or one of the canonical guys in here can probably reassure you.
[12:57] <xf> maintaining my own packages is such a freaking nightmare, honestly
[12:58] <xf> ok. any of them awake? :)
[12:58] <whiprush> dunno
[12:58] <xf> is there an ubuntu server team? i understand there is a strong emphasis on the desktop stuff, but that doesn't interest me (in this case. i'm running ubuntu on one of my desktop systems and like it for that, though)
[12:58] <azeem> xf: there is, check the website
[12:58] <whiprush> yeah I remember someone saying that there is a server team
[12:58] <xf> i looked, all i saw it mention was installation stuff
[12:58] <xf> nothing about package maintanance
[12:59] <whiprush> you should probably write up all your concerns and stuff and post on -user
[12:59] <whiprush> they're real good about answering
[12:59] <azeem> xf: well, start a discussion
[12:59] <xf> probably, good thinking
[12:59] <whiprush> that sounds cool though.
[01:01] <xf> see, my main audience i guess is web hosting places
[01:01] <xf> these are the kind of guys that buy absolute hoardes of servers, stick them in rooms of racks
[01:01] <xf> set them up
[01:01] <xf> then forget about them
[01:01] <xf> any problem is a big problem at that scale
[01:02] <azeem> xf: so what's wrong with Debian's two years release cycle in that case?
[01:03] <xf> it wouldn't be if debian didn't keep changing around their bloody build processes
[01:03] <xf> backporting is becoming increasingly painful
[01:03] <merriam> xf: are you looking at gentoo and bsd too?  ubuntu is very promising, but specifically for the desktop
[01:04] <xf> i like bsd, but from this angle having loads of machines compiling the same code seems kind of pointless
[01:04] <JanneM> merriam: not specifically for the desktop
[01:04] <xf> if i chose a bsd or gentoo, i'd be using binary packages
[01:04] <xf> which makes a lot of their coolness irrelevant
[01:04] <azeem> xf: what do you mean, changing build processes?
[01:04] <xf> debian's a good choice, i just have an issue with the package process currently
[01:05] <xf> i'd love a woody with 1 year release cycles. that'd suit me nicely.
[01:05] <xf> ubuntu with it's 6 month, with 18 month support is just as good, really
[01:05] <xf> azeem: you go and try to compile a package from sid on woody. things have changed entirely
[01:06] <xf> and also, 2 years ago, things such as spam filtering wern't all that hot
[01:06] <xf> they are now
[01:06] <xf> so although a lot of things stay the same on these kind of machines, it is a moving target
[01:06] <azeem> xf: well, it's not the process that changes mostly, just the Build-Dependencies
[01:06] <xf> that's the easy packages :-)
[01:07] <xf> debhelper et al have changed a fair bit
[01:07] <xf> you need to rewrite large chunks of the build scripts in many cases
[01:07] <xf> and you find to support a said package, you need to backport half of sid
[01:07] <xf> it gets rather painful
[01:08] <merriam> do you use checkinstall with sid?
[01:08] <merriam> er, with woody
[01:08] <xf> yeah
[01:08] <xf> see, these are fine with the easier packages to backport
[01:08] <xf> a lot aren't
[01:09] <xf> ack, can't think of an example
[01:09] <xf> freeradius and mailman come to mind, but i can think of harder ones
[01:09] <xf> well, i should be able to, i mean
[01:09] <jdub> requesttracker
[01:09] <xf> hahaha yes
[01:09] <xf> god damn
[01:09] <xf> paackport half of perl and mason
[01:09] <xf> backport, even
[01:10] <Treenaks> is there any idea yet when the shipit CDs will ship?
[01:11] <xf> and off memory that was even painful because lots of debian things depend on perl, so you need to rebuild /those/
[01:11] <xf> i don't think i ever successfully managed to, too painful
[01:11] <jdub> Treenaks: november
[01:11] <Treenaks> jdub: OK
[01:12] <joem> jdub, are there any signature series cds with fancy autographs?
[01:12] <azeem> whoa, business plan!
[01:12] <azeem> I guess some people would kill for Ubuntu CDs with elmo's signature :)
[01:12] <xf> heh, i hope 25 was a sane number to order
[01:13] <xf> thing is, i was serious ;-p
[01:13] <xf> ack, 35 even
[01:13] <jdub> xf: there have been much, much bigger orders.
[01:13] <jdub> joem: dude, that's an awesome idea.
[01:13] <cef> jdub: I've got ideas for t-shirts banging around in my head.. whom should I fire them at?
[01:13] <jdub> cef: we're going to have an... ahem... tshirt competition soon.
[01:13] <daniels> xf: i ordered 3 times that much
[01:13] <daniels> xf: and that was my personal order
[01:14] <cef> jdub: heh.. ok.. I'll just work on it myself and see what I can come up with
[01:14] <Pizbit> daniels: o_O? How're you gonna get rid of them all?
[01:14] <xf> daniels: heh
[01:14] <xf> ok, good
[01:14] <xf> i didn't feel as bad ordering 25 sp2 cd's from microsoft
[01:14] <joem> jdub, I bet there are somepeople out there that would throw down some serious dollar for a jdub autograph
[01:14] <daniels> Pizbit: i estimate it will take maybe two weeks
[01:14] <xf> was surprised that they actually sent them all, though
[01:15] <xf> joem: heh, you'd need to get him to autograph some pants and ebay it
[01:15] <daniels> fabioarse
[01:15] <daniels> gah
[01:15] <Pizbit> o_O? What's so special about jdub?
[01:15] <cef> jdub: btw: what's the ubuntu font actually called? (the one in the logo?)
[01:15] <xf> sorry, thought you made the t-shirt comment before. i'm blind
[01:15] <joem> I would assume them to be phony, as I was under the impression that he didn't own any pants
[01:15] <jdub> cef: not entirely sure, i will ask
[01:16] <cef> Pizbit: he has no pants!
[01:16] <Pizbit> *confused*
[01:16] <xf> heh
[01:16] <joem> Pizbit, there would be other signatures as well
[01:16] <cef> Pizbit: zort of in joke that has it's own legend around it
[01:16] <cef> jdub: you need a page explaining the legend of no pants
[01:17] <xf> we've got video of him taking off his pants :p
[01:17] <xf> that sounds bad. lca2004 dunking, i mean
[01:17] <cef> jdub: see, we even have content for said page!
[01:17] <Pizbit> I'm scared now.
[01:18] <cef> ofr = for
[01:20] <cef> jdub: btw: we have a problem with warty. Frozen Bubble is not installed by default! How can this be? How the hell are we going to get Linus using Ubuntu if Frozen Bubble isn't installed by default? *grin*
[01:20] <Pizbit> w00t, no frozen bubble!
[01:20] <xf_> cef: hahah
[01:21] <cef> xf_: hey, Linus was addicted to that game at LCA 2004
[01:21] <xf_> yeah, i know
[01:21] <xf_> i have video of it
[01:21] <xf_> did he know of it before, or did somebody introduce him?
[01:21] <cef> hrm, speaking of video, I wonder if the cd & dvd went to my old work address.. hrm.. that could be a problem
[01:22] <xf_> i remember somebody talking him into installing fedora onto his laptop, but then he complained that there was no frozen bubble
[01:22] <xf_> so somebody found the rpm, heh
[01:22] <cef> xf_: omric was playing it.. and Linus thought it looked cute, and wanted a game.. 3 hrs later, omric got his laptop back *grin*
[01:22] <xf_> oh, ha
[01:23] <xf_> i should get some time to clean up the rest of the lca2004 video i have and release it
[01:23] <xf_> not sure if it's worth the effort though, video isn't great quality and feedback on the other video has been low
[01:23] <cef> xf_: funny thing was, omric then pointed Linus at an rpm of frozen bubble for fedora (silly silly.. he had the chance to convert him to debian, but nooooo he had to do the honorable thing)
[01:23] <xf_> heh!
[01:24] <xf_> he uses suse, right? why is that?
[01:24] <xf_> i've played with suse, found it nice for a all-packages-on-this-cd-if-you-don't-have-the-internet, but that's about it
[01:24] <Treenaks> I have frozen-bubble on my (Nokia) phone ;)
[01:24] <xf_> Treenaks: heh, java?
[01:24] <cef> linus? nfi.. think he uses all sorts.. nfi what he has on his lappy now
[01:24] <Treenaks> xf_: no, native (series 60/symbian)
[01:25] <xf_> what toolkit does frozen-bubble use, anyway?
[01:25] <cef> Treenaks: w00t!
[01:25] <jdub> cef: i think we'd ship monkey-bubble...
[01:25] <xf_> heh, cool
[01:25] <Treenaks> cef: fb-s60.sf.net
[01:25] <xf_> cef: oh, cool
[01:25] <jdub> cef: too many games in the menu already.
[01:25] <cef> jdub: that'd do! *grin*
[01:25] <xf_> jdub: heh, one of the things i've heard say people say is good about linux is 'it has lots of cool games installed by default!'
[01:25] <xf_> most people never get past solitare in terms of gaming
[01:26] <cef> jdub: just need to cull some
[01:27] <sap> hi, i've managed to do something stupid with my gnome menu bar. i placed it on the right side of the screen but somehow managed to make the icons huge, so huge that I cannot get a right-click menu to alter the properties of it now. Is there another way to change the appearance of the menu bar?
[01:28] <xf_> http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/play.html
[01:28] <xf_> heh, somebody ported it to java
[01:28] <xf_> code must be pretty portable
[01:28] <sap> it looks like there are numerous gnome config files with "menubar" in them, but does anyone know which to edit?
[01:33] <LinuxJones> sap, it might be easier/faster to temporarily create a new user (or use an existing one) and copy the entire config files over from the new account.
[01:34] <Pizbit> sap: Try moving stuff on the bar around or see if you can remove them and whatnot
[01:34] <sap> LinuxJones: that's an idea yes, thanks
[01:37] <Gmail> so how many hrs to the ubuntu-meeting?
[01:38] <Keybuk> 4h20
[01:40] <mjr> sap, I do believe that there's about a one-pixel wide area in the very edge of the panel where you can right-click for panel properties and such despite the icons
[01:40] <Gmail> thanks Keybuk
[01:40] <Gmail> so at 2am
[01:40] <Gmail> shess i stayed up till 5am last night and tonight....
[01:40] <sap> mjr: bloody hell, you are right
[01:40] <sap> mjr: thanks!
[01:41] <mjr> sure
[01:41] <mjr> (that's a usability problem, really, that it's so difficult)
[01:43] <sap> mjr: yeah, i'm not sure why it makes the icons so large either
[01:53] <gruberman> Gmail, Is it a dev meeting?
[01:57] <jono> which graphics cards have commercial 3D drivers for linux?
[01:58] <Treenaks> ATI and NVidia I guess
[01:58] <jono> are the ATI drivers closed source?
[01:59] <xf_> yes
[01:59] <jono> anyone use them here?
[01:59] <daniels> fglrx, yes
[01:59] <daniels> they also suck.
[01:59] <Zotnix> ATI has horrid support... that seems to be the general feeling.
[01:59] <xf_> they're awful
[01:59] <xf_> go nvidia if you want 3d
[01:59] <xf_> seriously
[01:59] <daniels> great once you get them working, but they're notoriously difficult to set up
[01:59] <xf_> the commercial ati drivers in linux are terrible
[01:59] <Zotnix> NVIDIA is thought to have better support... but their drivers "taint" your kernel.
[01:59] <daniels> however, nvidia isn't so crash-hot either
[01:59] <xf_> unstable, only have a portion of the speed/maturity/features of the windows drivers
[01:59] <daniels> lots of problems with their drivers, mainly with bad Render interactions
[02:00] <xf_> the nvidia drivers are build with a common core for all architectures/platforms, so they're much nicer
[02:00] <jono> right
[02:00] <xf_> yeah, nvidia ain't too crash hot, but they're the best for 3d at the moment, unfortunately
[02:00] <Treenaks> xf_: wait for the nano-itx boards from VIA, with the KM400 chip :)
[02:00] <xf_> i'm running win32 on my main desktop machine at the moment because gaming sucks so much in linux at the moment
[02:00] <xf_> and i hate win32 with a passion
[02:00] <daniels> unless you really need cutting-edge, go find an r200 (9100, 8500, 9000, 9200 in descending order of preference) off ebay
[02:00] <Gmail> gruberman: it an hoary meeting i want to wait it
[02:00] <xf_> but oh well
[02:00] <daniels> i have an 8500, works great.
[02:00] <Treenaks> xf_: that, combined with xorg and a new kernel (with DRI..) will rock :)
[02:00] <xf_> like i have time for games anyway :-p
[02:00] <xf_> Treenaks: cool :)
[02:01] <xf_> daniels: for 3d?
[02:01] <xf_> i thought the open source drivers for ati were quite basic
[02:01] <xf_> only gave a small fraction of the performance the commercial drivers do
[02:01] <gruberman> Gmail: hoary meeting? Sorry, I don't understand
[02:01] <daniels> xf_: they have full 3D acceleration for r1xx and r2xx series
[02:01] <daniels> xf_: with perfect performance
[02:01] <xf_> oh, nice. works with things like quake3 okay?
[02:01] <daniels> they have no 3D acceleration with r3xx and r4xx (9[5678] 00, 9550, x[3468] 00)
[02:02] <daniels> yeah, works fine
[02:02] <xf_> i ended up buying an nvidia fx5900xt recently, seemed decent for the price. works well, but i'm still getting far less performance in games in linux than i am on winxp
[02:02] <daniels> i used to play ut, tacops and q3a a bit
[02:02] <xf_> oh, cool
[02:02] <Zotnix> My friend had a 9200SE.. and it plays fine for him.
[02:02] <Zotnix> Under Linux
[02:02] <daniels> 9200s are kind of touch and go
[02:02] <daniels> they tend to either work perfectly, or not at all
[02:02] <daniels> i guess we'll see when we jump to xorg
[02:02] <xf_> heh!
[02:02] <xinel> grrg terminal won't open
[02:02] <xinel> wtf
[02:02] <xf_> hey, you're into stuff warp records release, right?
[02:02] <daniels> (although I'm more worried about bugs there -- last I checked, it's almost certainly broken video BIOS detection on powerbooks ...)
[02:02] <Gmail> gruberman: the next releast its path... #ubuntu-meeting and #ubuntu-devel
[02:02] <daniels> xf_: yeah
[02:02] <xf_> you seen the dvd?
[02:03] <hypn0> can i download packages for offline install
[02:03] <thaytan> daniels: when's that jump again? :)
[02:03] <gruberman> Too bad Anarchy Online doesnt run on linux
[02:03] <gruberman> Thx Gmail
[02:03] <xf_> i thought it ran in winex?
[02:04] <daniels> xf_: nope, any good?
[02:05] <daniels> mjr: you are venturing into uncertain territory here, I believe
[02:05] <xf_> daniels: it's brilliant. free shipping, comes with a mix cd
[02:05] <daniels> xf_: nice!
[02:05] <xf_> and the mix cd is arguably better then the dvd
[02:05] <xf_> dvd is most of warp's videos from when they first started
[02:05] <xf_> 35 or so, i think
[02:06] <mjr> daniels, well, I did do some (painful) searches from the dri pages and mail archives and ended up with an impression that it wasn't too uncertain
[02:06] <daniels> xf_: wow
[02:06] <xf_> what sort of fps do you get on your ati w/open sourced drivers in say, ut or quake3?
[02:07] <xf_> i'm assuming things like ut2004/doom3 don't work, or do they?
[02:08] <Sensebend> xf_, I use the closed source drivers, those are a bit weird to get working sometimes though
[02:08] <xf_> my previous experiences with them is that they're horribly unstable
[02:09] <daniels> xf_: unsure, sorry
[02:09] <xf_> and i've heard that things haven't really changed recently
[02:09] <daniels> xf_: ut2004 may work, but you'd need the s3tc patch
[02:09] <Sensebend> The old UT works :)
[02:09] <Sensebend> and that was the most fun of all of them
[02:09] <xf_> haven't played the old ut in ages, loved that game
[02:09] <xf_> heh, i sign up my otherwise unused gmail account to debian-amd64
[02:10] <xf_> post a few times
[02:10] <xf_> already have loads of spam
[02:10] <mjr> my experience with radeon dri drivers so far is that they run NWN playably with in 800x600 with most of the frills disabled on my laptop's 7500, and crash every once in a while
[02:11] <xf_> yeah, see, for me, i'll still use windows for games
[02:11] <xf_> you can't multitask when you play games, so it's not a huge concern dual booting for me at the moment
[02:11] <xf_> in the case of an application where i do multitask, it's far more important
[02:11] <mjr> you _can't_?
[02:12] <mjr> or should I say
[02:12] <mjr> _you_ can't?
[02:12] <mjr> :)
[02:12] <Sensebend> lol
[02:12] <xf_> that's why i have multiple computers/monitors :-p
[02:12] <hypn0> can someone give a link to package directories, and updates plz
[02:12] <mjr> yes, I have dual-head too ;)
[02:12] <xf_> i mean in the sense that when you run a game on a machine, you typically aren't doing anything else interactive with the machine at the same time
[02:12] <mjr> but I'll just see how it goes with the 9250, I'm no big gamer so it's not critical for me
[02:13] <xf_> and if you are, you're sucking precious cpu cycles away from the game
[02:13] <mjr> irc doesn't suck too many cycles ;)
[02:13] <xf_> heh
[02:13] <xf_> that's why you play something like eq, where it's like irc anyway :-p
[02:13] <jono> so with the ati driver, do you basically run a program that compiles a kernel module on the fly and insmods it?
[02:13] <mjr> besides, I routinely play games on the other screen while watching some video on the other ;)
[02:13] <mjr> (5-or-more and stuff :)
[02:13] <xf_> what kind of system do you have?
[02:14] <mjr> moi? currently a celeron 1200 with G450 :)
[02:15] <xf_> what do you play?
[02:15] <mjr> mostly 5-or-more with that box ;)
[02:15] <xf_> i guess i'm a put-the-graphics-as-high-as-possible person, though
[02:15] <xf_> i miss my matrox g400
[02:15] <xf_> brilliant card
[02:15] <mjr> when I want to play NWN, I do that on my gf's box, which has a whopping TNT2 ultra
[02:15] <xf_> i don't think any other card on the market, even to this day, has a second ramdac dedicated to the second monitor, right?
[02:16] <xf_> heh, never played nwn, so don't know of needed specs
[02:16] <mjr> but I kinda hope that the 9250 works enough for NWN too, considering that aside the occational instability, my laptop's 7500 is usable as well ;)
[02:17] <xf_> heh
[02:25] <Gmail> mako: online?
[02:27] <HomoAcridien> hi everybody
[02:29] <stvn> hi
[02:30] <GotD0t> hi
[02:30] <Gmail> lol
[02:30] <jazzka> where can I found a list of parameters for the kernel, for grub menu?
[02:31] <Gmail> bye homoachridien
[02:31] <Gmail> jazzka: man grub
[02:31] <GotD0t> does anybody know why, if im using the courier font in OO.org, bolded words dont show up in the app but when i print it out they show up as bold
[02:31] <Gmail> 00.org?
[02:31] <Gmail> ohh OOo
[02:31] <GotD0t> same thing
[02:32] <Treenaks> OOo still looks like some weird anime-smiley to me o_O
[02:32] <Gmail> GotD0t: you know how font work?
[02:32] <GotD0t> exactly, which is why i say OO.org
[02:32] <GotD0t> what?
[02:32] <jazzka> has anyone a gmail invitation for me?
[02:33] <GotD0t> gmail probably does
[02:33] <Treenaks> jazzka: it's more efficient to get your own domain :)
[02:33] <jazzka> ;)
[02:33] <Gmail> jazzka: http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php
[02:33] <GotD0t> but more expensive...
[02:33] <Gmail> i send all mine there
[02:34] <Gmail> GotD0t: unless you got an invite when they where $50
[02:34] <GotD0t> gmail: im not sure what you just said to me
[02:35] <Gmail> GotD0t: on ebay invite *were* selling for $50 a long time ago
[02:35] <GotD0t> gmail: well those people were just idiots
[02:36] <HomoAcridien> re
[02:36] <GotD0t> hi homo
[02:36] <GotD0t> err
[02:36] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:36] <HomoAcridien> GotD0t: ?
[02:36] <GotD0t> sorry
[02:36] <GotD0t> its early
[02:36] <HomoAcridien> you mean erectus
[02:36] <HomoAcridien> lol
[02:37] <GotD0t> i didn't realize what i said until i said it
[02:37] <HomoAcridien> ahah
[02:37] <GotD0t> yea
[02:37] <HomoAcridien> I will change it into acridien it leads to misinterpretation
[02:37] <HomoAcridien> :-)
[02:37] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:37] <GotD0t> well, i gotta leave... have an early class today
[02:38] <ATJ> Erm, hi. Is there in Ubuntu some own "package-control" system or does is use apt-get & friends like Debian?
[02:39] <mvo_> ATJ: apt-get/aptitude/synaptic is used
[02:39] <ATJ> mvo_: Ok, thanks. :)
[02:39] <wulfy> anyone install vmware (with ubuntu as host)?
[02:40] <ATJ> Are those "main", "restricted" and "universe" components same as stable, unstable and testing under Debian?
[02:40] <Gmail> hmmm what happen if google start making a distro based on debian that will kill ubuntu and debian and let alone everyother distro
[02:41] <darkersatanic> ATJ: No, they're more like "main", "non-free" and "contrib"
[02:41] <GotD0t-class> they wont, because they have an app that informs you of when you have new mail... but its only on windows
[02:41] <GotD0t-class> ok, im out for real this time
[02:42] <ATJ> darkersatanic: But not exactly same as under Debian? So.. Ubundu maintains its own packages?
[02:42] <jdub> ATJ: no
[02:42] <jdub> ATJ: stable/unstable/testing are releases
[02:42] <jdub> ATJ: main/restricted/universe are equivalent (but different) to main/contrib/non-free
[02:43] <jdub> ATJ: in ubuntu terms, main == supported, universe == the rest of debian main, multiverse == debian contrib/non-free, restricted == quasi-supported non-free drivers
[02:43] <TheCan> hi..i just don't get neither usb mouse nor touchpad working with X :(
[02:43] <Treenaks> TheCan: is USB working at all?
[02:44] <HcE> modprobe usbmouse?
[02:44] <ATJ> Mm, okay. This distribution seems to be that right one for me. :) I thik i'll give it a try..
[02:44] <TheCan> Treenaks, i think so...the mouse gets power at least
[02:44] <HcE> TheCan: does it show in /var/log/syslog when you plug it in?
[02:44] <Gmail> ubuntu rocks
[02:44] <TheCan> strange thing is the touchpad works with knoppix
[02:45] <TheCan> nope nothing in there
[02:45] <TheCan> should i dpkg-reconfigure hotplug? but what modules to add there?
[02:45] <Treenaks> TheCan: no, you shouldn't have to
[02:45] <HcE> TheCan: you got usbmouse and psmouse loaded?
[02:45] <Treenaks> TheCan: is it a laptop, or a relatively new PC?
[02:45] <daniels> Gmail: dude, no colours, please.
[02:45] <Treenaks> daniels: doesn't this server understand /mode +c on channels (to disable color..)?
[02:46] <fabbione> hey Treenaks 
[02:46] <Treenaks> hi fabbione 
[02:46] <Gmail> hey Treenaks
[02:46] <TheCan> Treenaks, a relatively new laptop, yes
[02:47] <Treenaks> TheCan: try booting with the pci=noacpi option
[02:47] <TheCan> ok
[02:47] <daniels> Treenaks: it does indeed; i thought it was the default on new channels; apparently not
[02:48] <Gmail> :( colors
[02:49] <Gmail> i ported xchat 2.4
[02:49] <littlepaul> Gmail, cool
[02:50] <Gmail> you dont need to edit it to make it work (from debian) but i made a package with a few changes
[02:50] <Gmail> littlepaul: got any where i can host it?
[02:50] <littlepaul> Gmail, maby must talk with someone
[02:51] <Gmail> littlepaul: i am looking at 50MB or so with 500MB BW
[02:51] <Gmail> only problem my upload is 128kbps and i use voip so it not possible
[02:52] <littlepaul> i will let you know if..
[02:52] <Gmail> littlepaul: what do you want ported?
[02:53] <littlepaul> you ported allready xchat ;-)
[02:53] <Gmail> yea it was easy
[02:54] <Gmail> you dont even need to rebuild it but i made my mix to it but most people will not like what i did so the normal debian one is perfict
[02:55] <Gmail> littlepaul: but i made it ALL of xchat into 1 package all it need to make it easier to handle
[02:55] <daniels> Gmail: if you file an enhancement-severity bug in our bugzilla with your changes (and a patch), we can look at it and decide
[02:55] <daniels> we'd love to see all the improvements going around, so we can fold stuff in and make Ubuntu rock out of the box :)
[02:56] <littlepaul> Gmail, ok
[02:56] <TheCan> Treenaks, how can i disable all acpi at all?
[02:56] <Treenaks> TheCan: you probably don't want that...
[02:56] <Treenaks> TheCan: you'll want pci=noacpi, noapic or nolapic, or a combination
[02:56] <TheCan> ic
[02:56] <Treenaks> TheCan: acpi=off is very bad (makes laptops suck power..)
[02:57] <TheCan> Treenaks, it's only for stationary use..
[02:57] <Gmail> daniels: i made the xchat say + my name as porter to ubuntu and add 17 scripts
[02:57] <Treenaks> TheCan: still.. it might overheat
[02:57] <Treenaks> TheCan: (acpi does fan control as well)
[02:58] <Gmail> daniels: i dont think anyone want by default there profile full of scipts
[02:58] <daniels> Gmail: which scripts?
[02:58] <TheCan> Treenaks, how about apm?
[02:58] <daniels> Gmail: but surely some of them are useful
[02:58] <Treenaks> TheCan: APM isn't supported on the latest laptops
[02:58] <TheCan> cant i enable this instead?
[02:58] <Gmail> daniels: /slap ... all junk
[02:58] <TheCan> oh ic
[02:58] <TheCan> this sucks..
[02:58] <daniels> Gmail: either way, a bug would be awesome, from our point of view.
[02:58] <littlepaul> Gmail, i sent a pn and i'm waiting for an answer
[02:58] <Gmail> daniels: i say its better to shit with the debian package
[02:59] <Treenaks> TheCan: what kind of laptop is it, exactly
[02:59] <isam> hi all
[02:59] <Gmail> littlepaul: you pmed me?
[02:59] <isam> Riddell, I think it was you who pointed me to an expermental kde repository
[02:59] <isam> Riddell, for ubuntu
[02:59] <littlepaul> no, i pmed the gay with the webplace
[02:59] <Gmail> daniels: why report a bug to ssay i ported some newer apps from debian to ubuntu?
[02:59] <littlepaul> ;-)
[02:59] <Gmail> littlepaul: thanks
[02:59] <helix> Gmail: so the fix can be integrated
[03:00] <littlepaul> Gmail, np
[03:00] <TheCan> Treenaks, a medion md41700 (big crap - but is not mine i'm configuring it for someone else)
[03:00] <daniels> Gmail: well, plus the scripts -- it puts it on our radar, so we can drag it in
[03:00] <Gmail> helix: you mean my xchat 2.4 package will be offical part of ubuntu :) 0_0
[03:00] <Treenaks> TheCan:  have you tried poking around the bios (PnP OS setting, PCI IRQ settings)?
[03:00] <helix> Gmail: dunno about that, but the fix might be integrated if it's good enough
[03:00] <daniels> Gmail: if it's good, yes
[03:01] <isam> is anyone here aware of any progress in the KDE frontend with ubuntu ?
[03:01] <Riddell> isam: yes
[03:01] <Gmail> daniels: maybe i should make the package add to the default package ./.xchat/scripts
[03:01] <isam> Riddell, can you please point me to it again
[03:01] <Riddell> isam: I've made some pacakges, recompiled from Debian, that's all the progress there is
[03:01] <TheCan> Treenaks, not yet. but now i tested acpi=off this time usb mouse works!
[03:02] <Riddell> isam: "deb http://geeksoc.org/~jr/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[03:02] <TheCan> so i'll try pci=noacpi and noapic together
[03:02] <isam> Riddell, after some attempts from me to have udev/hal working in sid, I crashed the system .. so, I downloaded ubuntu yesterday, and plan to install it in an hour
[03:02] <Gmail> brb i am going to boot into xchat 2.4
[03:03] <Gmail> i can help make some comon apps like xchat more like a ubuntu built
[03:03] <isam> Riddell, I read that there are ubuntu developers that are working on KDE packages .. I would like to help .. are you aware of any existing effort that is open for contribution
[03:04] <Gmail> hmm
[03:04] <TheCan> Treenaks, no pci stuff in bios btw
[03:04] <Gmail> i might want to change my builts scripts no to auto start them already
[03:05] <Gmail> anyone want to see a screeshot of using xchat2 scripts in 2.4?
[03:05] <Treenaks> TheCan: no PNP OS stuff either, or "parallel port IRQ" things you can move to other IRQs?
[03:05] <Riddell> isam: there's nothing started yet, but send me your details and I'll make sure you get informed when something does
[03:05] <littlepaul> Gmail, i want to see them
[03:05] <Gmail> littlepaul: it scray
[03:06] <TheCan> Treenaks, only serial ports
[03:07] <Treenaks> TheCan: hmm
[03:08] <TheCan> Treenaks, this laptop is really major suckage
[03:08] <TheCan> thank god i got a thinkpad personally :)
[03:08] <Treenaks> TheCan: :)
[03:08] <ploum> Anyone can help me to correct my bad english before I post the following article : http://frimouvy.org/wiki/TempTemp  ?
[03:09] <TheCan> the fan is running all the time (desktop celeron 2.6 :D )
[03:09] <Gmail> AHHH crap
[03:09] <Gmail> i should of...
[03:10] <Gmail> guess what i did i combind xchat-text and xchat-common to one package and now you have xchat-text 2 installed and 2.4 to remove xchat-text2 ubuntu-desktop removes it self...
[03:10] <TheCan> Treenaks, maybe there is some alternative kernel? sound doesnt work either..
[03:11] <Gmail> i need to get this to work
[03:11] <littlepaul> ;-(
[03:11] <genghis> Q: anywhere I can get a java package?
[03:11] <Gmail> why isnt xchat all in one package? it not like xchat-text is usable? ever tried using it? you will be cring!
[03:12] <jdub> genghis: see the FAQ
[03:12] <Gmail> i guess for now there has to be xchat-text and xchat-comon in 2 difrent packages
[03:12] <genghis> jdub, there's no ref in the FAQ to java and searching the Doc tree on the web site returns no results
[03:13] <daniels> Gmail: obviously some people like xchat-text, hence why it exists
[03:14] <Gmail> daniels: you run xchat-text IT IS UNUSABLE
[03:14] <Gmail> even ask #xchat
[03:14] <daniels> Gmail: it's subjective
[03:15] <Gmail> its a mess all message get printed on that same line and you also type on that line
[03:15] <Gmail> daniels: text fly over each other
[03:15] <joolz> so it's not really fair to compare it to irssi?
[03:16] <Gmail> daniels: #xchat said they did change to xchat-text to make it better for xchat but it made xchat-text unusable
[03:16] <TheCan> Treenaks, nothing i can do it seems. i tried with all three options: nolapic, noapic, pci=noacpi together, still doesnt work
[03:17] <Treenaks> TheCan: hm, sounds like broken acpi.. you can find out by looking at the output of 'dmesg'
[03:19] <jono> any ATI driver users?
[03:20] <TheCan> Treenaks, http://home.conceptsfa.nl/~revdmeer/md40100/#touchpad this is not the exact model, but how about the solution there..? could you take a look on it? i tried to put the same stuff for this one, but didnt work
[03:21] <tmp> yeah , i use ATI rage128 on ppc and radeon on x86
[03:22] <Gmail> ok the defult debian built looks better than my one
[03:23] <Treenaks> TheCan: using a fixed DSDT can work
[03:23] <Gmail> i'll just add the ubuntu servers to it
[03:23] <TheCan> Treenaks, dsdt?
[03:23] <Treenaks> TheCan: "ACPI table" (http://home.conceptsfa.nl/~revdmeer/md40100/#acpi)
[03:24] <TheCan> Treenaks, and where can i get one for my notebook?
[03:26] <Treenaks> TheCan: most likely, upgrade the BIOS or nag the manufacturer
[03:26] <TheCan> Treenaks, you can forget about bios upgrade
[03:26] <Treenaks> TheCan: sorry, don't know then
[03:26] <TheCan> Treenaks, they got some kind of contract with m$ so the xp license which came with the machine is bound to the bios - so i guess they will never provide any updates
[03:27] <TheCan> Treenaks, well i'll keep acpi=off and try cpuburn to see if it overheats
[03:28] <Treenaks> TheCan: in the meantime, nag the manufacturer ;)
[03:29] <TheCan> :)
[03:29] <Gmail> ok
[03:29] <Treenaks> TheCan: I'm glad I have an ASUS laptop.. it's 4 years old next month, but it has a valid ACPI table :)
[03:30] <Gmail> i got a few problems put them into one package
[03:31] <HomoAcridien> How does it come that ubuntu is the first distro i see that features desktop sounds
[03:31] <HomoAcridien> it's nice
[03:31] <HomoAcridien> I set them in GAIM
[03:31] <Gmail> i am going to rebuild ubuntu-desktop aggesnt xchat-text, xchat common and leave xchat and make that into the whole xchat .deb if i dont have any porblems
[03:31] <stvn> HomoAcridien: my old suse 7.1 instalation had them as well IIRC
[03:32] <HomoAcridien> IIRC?
[03:32] <HomoAcridien> II ?
[03:32] <HomoAcridien> it's a client ?
[03:32] <HcE> If I Recall Correctly
[03:32] <TheCan> Treenaks, i'm glad to have a almost 5 years old ibm where apm works perfectly, even suspend to disk using phoenix notebios
[03:33] <TheCan> btw. is there a way to get good-looking fonts in kde from universe? i just installed it via synaptic, everything works but the fonts and icons look ugly
[03:34] <HomoAcridien> stvn: i mean that use it
[03:34] <HomoAcridien> stvn: at startup i.e
[03:34] <Gmail> ok i need somepeople to test the package in a sec
[03:35] <bob2> Gmail: why did you unsplit the packaqges?
[03:36] <Gmail> bob2: i wanted to make xchat and xchat-text into one package
[03:36] <daniels> Gmail: he's asking 'why'
[03:36] <Gmail> as there is no need for them to be in 2 packages
[03:36] <bob2> yes there is
[03:36] <Gmail> daniels: and i answer
[03:36] <bob2> xchat-text doesn't Depend on xlibs
[03:37] <Gmail> bob2: xchat-text is unusable
[03:37] <bob2> Gmail: so why don't you disable the build of it then?
[03:37] <Gmail> xchat-text 2.4 ever tried running it?
[03:37] <bob2> of course not, I use irssi-text like everyone else
[03:38] <Gmail> xchat-text is need by xchat
[03:38] <Hmmm> hi guys
[03:38] <Hmmm> just got warty installed
[03:38] <Gmail> bob2: install xchat-text and you will see what i mean
[03:38] <Hmmm> was wondering if someone had some good repositories for apt
[03:38] <bob2> Hmmm: what do you want that isn't in universe?
[03:38] <StarScream> TheCan: you can get KDE for ubuntu? where from?
[03:38] <Gmail> anyone which used xchat-text in a channel wound apt-get remove it in like a few ms
[03:38] <daniels> Gmail: i think the point bob's making is that this would force people using non-X machines to install xlibs if they wanted xchat-text
[03:39] <TheCan> StarScream, from universe?
[03:39] <Riddell> StarScream: from universe (KDE 3.2) or my pacakges (some 3.3)
[03:39] <Gmail> daniels: no one want xchat-text
[03:39] <daniels> Gmail: if the xchat developers improve xchat-text in future, you'll need to re-split it, which would suck
[03:39] <bob2> Gmail: so why don't you just disable the build?
[03:39] <Gmail> daniels: the xchat devel made xhat-text werst
[03:39] <daniels> Gmail: there's just no need to merge them into one package -- which is forcing it upon people who don't want it, like you -- as it also creates unnecessary derivation from debian
[03:39] <daniels> which is harder to repair
[03:39] <daniels> Gmail: what's to say that no-one will ever make it better?
[03:39] <Hmmm> bob2, what's the url for uiverse?
[03:40] <bob2> Hmmm: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:40] <Gmail> daniels: goto #xchat and fight with them to contue xchat-tezt if you want it
[03:40] <Hmmm> thanks bob2
[03:41] <daniels> Gmail: no thanks, I'm not really interested.  but as far as I can tell, there's no reason to have them in the same package -- which forces *you* to have it installed, and creates unnecessary derivation from Debian -- only downsides
[03:41] <bob2> Gmail: it has nothing to do with xchat, I'm just wondering why you don't disable the build entirely if you don't want it
[03:41] <TheCan> so anyone else having the "ugly kde fonts" problem?
[03:41] <Gmail> its discontue as it own package for quite awhile and xchat-text 2 is even better than xchat-text 2.4 no really it a lot more user friendly i used both
[03:41] <jind> What's the newest kde packages for warthy?
[03:41] <jind> I find both kde 3.1 and kde 3.2?
[03:41] <Gmail> bob2: because xchat need xchat-text for some reason even thou it doesnt use it
[03:42] <bob2> Gmail: it doesn't use it? at all? are you sure?
[03:42] <Gmail> bob2: ask #xchat why does xchat-common enclude xchat-text
[03:42] <bob2> Gmail: erm, that has nothing to do with xchat's authors
[03:43] <daniels> daniels@nanasawa:~/music/James Lavelle/Global Underground 26 - Romania/CD2 - The Beast% apt-cache show xchat-common | grep xchat-text
[03:43] <daniels> Recommends: xchat | xchat-text
[03:43] <daniels>  xchat-gnome, or xchat-text.
[03:43] <daniels> ok, so afaict it's saying that you really, really should have either xchat, or xchat-text installed; and xchat being preferred
[03:43] <Gmail> xchat-common encludes xchat-text so there is no need for 2 packages but the xchat-text includes a few thing like a binary in /usr/bin
[03:44] <daniels> so it's changed from 2.0, where xchat, xchat-common, and xchat-text were entirely separate packages?
[03:44] <Gmail> ahh forget it
[03:44] <daniels> i honestly don't see how you couldn't put it in a separate package, just like the current package tree
[03:44] <Gmail> i will build xchat-text and xchat-common and keep them like howthey where
[03:45] <daniels> good plan
[03:45] <Gmail> so should i add a folder in the the defult profile which has a banch of script if there are any good one (i can find any)
[03:47] <Gmail> ok so anyone want any changes to xchat from debian?
[03:47] <Gmail> beside the ubuntu servers
[03:49] <Gmail> well xchat come with 2 scripts ignore and sample-sript
[03:49] <Gmail> i'll ask in #xchat if anyone says there are any scripts that are a must have
[03:49] <wulfy> bob2: remember the nvidia driver trouble I was having? turns out to be the card
[03:49] <bob2> hah.
[03:49] <Hawkwind> Gmail: There are NO must have scripts for Xchat
[03:49] <wulfy> bob2: the FX5200 (XFX branded I think) locks hard after driver install
[03:50] <wulfy> bob2: I put in an older MX something or other and it just worked no problem
[03:50] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Trust me on that, you just want the tcl, perl, python and ruby plugins and nothing more.  Let users deal with their own scripts
[03:50] <wulfy> I've since found that there aren't any inexpensive cards well supported with dual DVI
[03:50] <StarScream> Riddell: where can i get your packages from ...or how to i get the universe packages with apt? (sorry slack user, not used to package mangement :) )
[03:51] <Gmail> Hawkwind: yes there are like ignore
[03:51] <Hawkwind> Gmail: There is an ignore option already by default in Xchat
[03:51] <Gmail> ignore is a script for xchat if not xchat will not have ingore
[03:52] <Hawkwind> Gmail: If you right click on a nick, it's there by default.  It's part of the nick menu
[03:52] <Gmail> Hawkwind: no just in must build including the default your default goval scripts are kept in /usr/share/doc/xchat-common/scripts-perl
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Settings---Advanced---Userlist Popups  That is where your ignore option is kept by default and edited or removed if you want
[03:54] <Gmail> i dont know why-the hell its in the docs folder
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Not every distro is like that though
[03:54] <bob2> Gmail: because they're sample scripts?
[03:55] <Gmail> Hawkwind: ignore is a plug that come with xchat by defult it made by the devel team but its not built into binary form and is a perl script that is easly updatable/upgradable/editble
[03:55] <Gmail> bob2: excaly
[03:56] <Gmail> bob2: but the same script is used in xchat to give you the ignore feature
[03:56] <bob2> Gmail: yet it works without the script being moved.
[03:56] <bob2> Gmail: it's almost as if it's built-in
[03:58] <Gmail> bob2: excaly what i was tring to say but coundnt because i can make seence
[03:58] <HomoAcridien> Firefox freezing when I follow an ftp link
[03:58] <HomoAcridien> ?!?
[03:58] <bob2> Gmail: "can't".
[03:58] <Gmail> bob2_xchat: xchat-text try it
[03:59] <Gmail> just please see how unuseable it is
[03:59] <bob2> wow
[03:59] <Gmail> no one wound chose it over irssi
[03:59] <bob2_xchat> by just right-clicking on gmail's name, I can ignore everything he says
[03:59] <Gmail> bob2: do you see?
[03:59] <bob2_xchat> for example
[03:59] <Hawkwind> Xchat-text blows balls
[03:59] <Hawkwind> Heh
[03:59] <bob2_xchat> with no extra scripts
[03:59] <Kamion> bob2_xchat: "for example"
[03:59] <Hawkwind> I'm glad it's no longer maintained.  It isn't worth it anyways
[03:59] <Gmail> bob2_xchat: because the script is there by defult like built in
[04:00] <Gmail> it made by the team
[04:00] <Gmail> in other word xchat's ignore feature is done by perl and not c
[04:00] <Gmail> ^^me think he made it clear
[04:01] <Gmail> bob2_xchat: no really try xchat-text its not usable
[04:01] <Hawkwind> The Mandrake rpms are compiled without the xchat-text portion which is really nice.  It's not needed, so they don't include it
[04:01] <bob2> Hawkwind: whereas Debian gets the best of both worlds, by splitting it into two packages
[04:02] <Gmail> Hawkwind: xchat-text is built into xchat
[04:02] <Gmail> LEEH TIME
[04:02] <bob2> Gmail: can you please stop making incorrect assertions about things you don't understand?
[04:02] <Gmail> my isp doesnt count usage now
[04:02] <Hawkwind> bob2: Yeah that is how Mandrake does it too, it's seperated.  So if you don't want it, you don't have to have it
[04:02] <Gmail> quick give me stuff to d/l
[04:02] <llpamies> My pc restarts when I launch xawtv !!!!
[04:02] <wm_eddie> damn... Ubuntu's firefox is borked...
[04:02] <llpamies> anybody know this bug ?
[04:03] <bob2> Hawkwind: ah, right
[04:03] <wm_eddie> I know 1.0pr sucks but we need to upgrade...
[04:03] <Gmail> bob2: xchat uses xchat-text's source
[04:03] <Kamion> geez, stuff about one IRC client surely can't justify three pages' worth of chatter on a maximised terminal on this huge monitor. If you have a problem, file a bug.
[04:03] <bob2> wm_eddie: "need"? 1.0 was buggier.  hoary will get a newer version soon, tho.
[04:03] <Gmail> i went trou xchat's source with a friend/devel
[04:03] <Hawkwind> Nov 9th is release date of the Firefox 1.0 Final
[04:04] <Keybuk> Hawkwind: should get into hoary easily then :)
[04:04] <HomoAcridien> llpamies: borked ?
[04:04] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Xhat doesn't use xchat-text's source.  zed is the maintainer of xchat and the guy who used to maintain xchat-text doesn't do it anymore.  They are two seperate things now
[04:04] <HomoAcridien> wm_eddie: borked ?
[04:04] <wm_eddie> bob2: well, with this version when I click on a .rm file I can't save it to disk or watch it in realplay.  The "Ok" button is disabled.
[04:04] <Gmail> Hawkwind: and nov 9th.1 is the relest of debian-firefox and 9th.2 is firefox-ubuntu
[04:04] <Gmail> Hawkwind: NOW
[04:04] <Gmail> but not before
[04:05] <bob2> Gmail: chill out
[04:05] <llpamies> HomoAcridien:  My screen puts all in black and I cant do anythoing
[04:05] <Gmail> i dont think xchat-text had anyreally update from version 1
[04:05] <Keybuk> Gmail: have you ever considered cutting back on the sugar?
[04:05] <Hawkwind> Gmail: Right, it used to be, but not anymore.  Xchat-text is useless
[04:05] <bob2> wm_eddie: nothing like that in the BTS?  does it know about realplayer?
[04:05] <Gmail> bob2: stupid caps lock
[04:05] <Gmail> Keybuk: no
[04:05] <wm_eddie> bob2: It doesn't know about realplayer, I have to select it manually.
[04:05] <Hawkwind> Gmail: It's been 17 months since last code was put into xchat-text
[04:05] <Gmail> Hawkwind: ok so no xchat-text
[04:06] <Gmail> Hawkwind: xchat-text was updated in version 2.4 the change the version number that about it
[04:06] <Gmail> ok
[04:06] <wm_eddie> grr this is annoying, I can't do anything... I can click on the watch link... and then hit cancel...
[04:06] <Gmail> i got a build coming
[04:06] <wm_eddie> or tries rather.
[04:07] <Gmail> what section should xchat be in? net?
[04:07] <Gmail> like how it is right?
[04:07] <Hawkwind> Yes
[04:08] <Gmail> ok so the build will be called 2.4.02-ubuntu
[04:08] <wm_eddie> ok, finally it works if I right click on the link and select copy link location and then use the open location dialog in real player...
[04:08] <Gmail> ok so the build will be called 2.4.0-02-ubuntu
[04:08] <Gmail> err
[04:08] <Gmail> ok so the build will be called 2.4.0-0.2-ubuntu
[04:08] <Gmail> there got it i think
[04:08] <Hawkwind> If you order the pressed cd's from the Ubuntu site, how long are they taking to ship out anyone know by chance ?
[04:08] <wm_eddie> aww man, I wish I didn't see this video...
[04:08] <jdub> Hawkwind: november
[04:09] <mjr> *hmm*
[04:09] <Hawkwind> jdub: Will that be the latest release then I'm guessing ?
[04:09] <mjr> to order some CDs for the university student's lounge or to burn some, that is the question ;)
[04:09] <ploum> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?2004/10/25/6-i-dont-want-people-to-use-gnome-applications-anymore : my little 0.02 because I cannot be here tonight
[04:09] <jdub> Hawkwind: that'll be Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog)
[04:09] <wm_eddie> I think I should change my order for CDs and get 30 and hand it out to everyone in my CS classes...
[04:09] <jdub> wm_eddie: so do i.
[04:10] <Hawkwind> jdub: And when is the next release due out ??  I'm just getting into Ubuntu so I'm still trying to learn a bit about it
[04:10] <jdub> Hawkwind: next preview will be in march, then it's final release will be in april
[04:10] <Hawkwind> jdub: Ahhhh ok, thank you very much
[04:11] <avar> when are those cd's comming out?
[04:12] <daniels> avar: november
[04:12] <avar> early november?
[04:13] <bob2> late november
[04:13] <avar> k, thanks
[04:13] <sukrit> hi guys
[04:14] <sukrit> was wondering how to migrate my evolution 1.46 mails from fc2 to evolution 2 in ubuntu
[04:14] <slade_> is there an apt package in ubuntu for bitchx?
[04:14] <sukrit> both my homes are at dif locations
[04:16] <bob2> slade_: yes
[04:16] <Gmail> i just got flooded /who list of #xchat
[04:16] <slade_> bob2: do you know the package name?
[04:16] <bob2> Gmail: please don't bug them about Debian packaging
[04:16] <bob2> Gmail: they have nothing to do with it
[04:16] <bob2> slade_: bitchx
[04:16] <Gmail> i am not
[04:17] <Gmail> bob2: i am not in #xchat
[04:17] <slade_> slade@thundera:/usr $ sudo apt-get install bitchx
[04:17] <slade_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:17] <slade_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:17] <slade_> E: Couldn't find package bitchx
[04:17] <slade_> slade@thundera:/usr $
[04:17] <slade_> ive already done an apt-get update
[04:17] <bob2> slade_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:17] <bob2> enable universe
[04:18] <slade_> im guessing that site is hosted overseas right?
[04:18] <wm_eddie> oh my god this is the longest CC ever.... (A conversation we have to memorize in my Japanese class)
[04:18] <bob2> no
[04:18] <bob2> slade_: oh, the wiki?
[04:18] <slade_> bob2: yeah
[04:18] <bob2> slade_: it's in the uk
[04:18] <slade_> :-( we have our ACL's setup to block foreign ip blocks
[04:19] <slade_> ill have to proxy it i guess :-P
[04:19] <wm_eddie> ACL?
[04:19] <Zindar> SLEEEEEP :)
[04:19] <slade_> access control list
[04:20] <wm_eddie> but why block foreign IPs?
[04:20] <wm_eddie> I like, spend almost no time in American IP blocks...
[04:21] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: foreign IPs are hackers!
[04:21] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: and terrorist!
[04:21] <wm_eddie> well When I'm browsing the web...
[04:21] <slade_> bob2: that howto is only relevant for a gui environment
[04:21] <stvn> lol Treenaks
[04:21] <Treenaks> and, well, un-American..
[04:21] <wm_eddie> lol
[04:21] <bob2> slade_: the cli equivalent is "edit sources.list, uncomment the universe lines"
[04:21] <slade_> bob2: ahh..ok
[04:24] <Gmail> ok xchat-common is done
[04:25] <Gmail> i had to do something else that why it took so long
[04:25] <bob2> what did you do to iy?
[04:25] <slade_> bob2: thx
[04:25] <slade_> that worked
[04:26] <Gmail> ok anyone got some where, i can upload these file to?
[04:27] <malte> hi, does anyone know why firefox-installer says: "./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" on my recently installed ubuntu system? libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is in /usr/lib and is a symlink to libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.400.10 in the same directory
[04:29] <Gmail> malte: install from the .deb
[04:29] <Gmail> i am making one for 0.10.1
[04:29] <Gmail> all i need is hosting to upload them to
[04:29] <ATJ> Hi, what kernel does Ubuntu ude by default? Just wondering will it handle sata and my NIC rithout problems.. I have nforce2 based motherboard.
[04:29] <ATJ> without..
[04:29] <bob2> ATJ: 2.6.8.1
[04:30] <Gmail> i cant host as my connection ised for VoIP and is only 128kbps
[04:30] <wm_eddie> ATJ: It worked flawlessly out of the box with my nforce2 board.
[04:30] <Gmail> bob2: anywhere i can host them?
[04:30] <bob2> Gmail: the free webspace your isp gave you?
[04:31] <ATJ> wm_eddie: Ok, great. :)
[04:32] <Gmail> bob2: good idea
[04:32] <Gmail> bob2: it 60MB they let me go over and unlimmited bw
[04:32] <malte> Gmail, but still... it works at a friend of mines ubuntu install :/
[04:33] <Gmail> malte: wait about 30min and i will have a binary
[04:33] <malte> Gmail, ok, thanks
[04:33] <bern> what's the filesystem type for thumbdrives?
[04:33] <stvn> bern: normally vfat
[04:33] <bern> ok
[04:34] <mjr> 'course, if you want, you can create your filesystem of choice on most
[04:34] <mjr> but yeah, tend to come with vfat
[04:35] <Gmail> malte: you will stay here?
[04:40] <malte> Gmail, yeah
[04:40] <Gmail> ok i got a few apps ported
[04:40] <Gmail> malte: i am starting firefox now
[04:41] <Gmail> brb i am testing my xchat 2.4
[04:41] <malte> great. this xchat is getting on my nerves :)
[04:44] <MyKq3> can i search for a file on the consol ?
[04:44] <darkersatanic> MyKq3: find -name filename
[04:44] <bob2> "locate filename"
[04:45] <darkersatanic> MyKq3: That'll search for it from the current directory.
[04:47] <Gmail> hey anyone here good at making .debs?
[04:48] <Gmail> i am doing *something* wrong with the xchat one
[04:48] <fabbione> Gmail: more or less
[04:48] <fabbione> Gmail: maybe if you can tell us the error you get...
[04:48] <fabbione> or the problem
[04:49] <Gmail> fabbione: ok what i do is: make a controls file add the correct stuff then move it to ./debian/DEBIAN
[04:49] <MyKq3> hum but i want to search the hole disk ... i should just  find filename ?
[04:49] <StarScream> Gmail: have a look at something called checkinstall
[04:49] <Gmail> then do dpkg-deb --build debian
[04:49] <bob2> Gmail: erm, why aren't you using debhelper?
[04:49] <Gmail> the probblem is the deb isnt add the /usr/bin file it all correct it the folder
[04:50] <bob2> MyKq3: no, locate.
[04:50] <Gmail> bob2: what is debhelper?
[04:50] <Gmail> i use my brain
[04:50] <fabbione> Gmail: i think you are slightly confused on how to make debs
[04:50] <daniels> Gmail: if you've never made a deb before, look at dh-make and cdbs
[04:50] <Gmail> i read the howto when woody came out and i'v alway been making them like that
[04:51] <Gmail> daniels: i have made a few hunred
[04:51] <bob2> Gmail: xchat and firefox are already packaged
[04:51] <daniels> Gmail: a few hundred debs? such as?
[04:51] <fabbione> Gmail: well than it should be easy for you to spot the problem
[04:51] <Gmail> fabbione: but in the folder i am working in i have all the BUILT files and where they are ment to go
[04:52] <Gmail> fabbione: chmod?
[04:52] <Gmail> crap
[04:52] <fabbione> Gmail: i don't get it...
[04:52] <malte> Gmail, brb, something is wrong with xchat... you'll be here later too?
[04:52] <Gmail> fabbione: d/m
[04:52] <fabbione> d/m ?
[04:52] <Gmail> malte: email shimen@gmail.com and i reply you when its ready
[04:52] <Gmail> doesnt matter
[04:53] <fabbione> well explain it to me
[04:53] <fabbione> i am kinda curious to understand what was wrong
[04:53] <Gmail> fabbione: dont worry i fixed it
[04:53] <fabbione> Gmail: i am not worried
[04:53] <fabbione> i want to understand error and solution
[04:53] <Gmail> fabbione: the file where built already i ported it from debian
[04:54] <daniels> if other people run into the same problem, maybe we could use this experience to learn from
[04:54] <Gmail> well let me do what i tilk and if it not that i'll be back
[04:54] <Gmail> daniels: i am having problem building them
[04:54] <Kirsch> hey everyone, having a problem with a dual boot windows and ubuntu, it won't boot the windows partition, gets a invalid filesystem 0x7, this is an AMD64 system, any ideas?
[04:54] <Gmail> once there built they will work
[04:54] <daniels> Gmail: what problem are you having, exactly?
[04:55] <daniels> we're here to help
[04:55] <Gmail> doesnt matter
[04:55] <Gmail> i fixed it
[04:55] <fabbione> Gmail: it does for us
[04:55] <fabbione> can you tell us the problem you had and the solution?
[04:56] <Gmail> fabbione: they are not built yet i built them right now
[04:56] <Gmail> they look like they are working
[04:56] <Kirsch> fabbione: do u remember me? (my name was probably adam_), i had the problem with the ATI M7? (BusID)?
[04:57] <fabbione> Kirsch: yes of course.. can you just give me a sec?
[04:57] <fabbione> Gmail: i still don't get a) the problem b) the solution..
[04:57] <Kirsch> fabbione: yea just wanted to say that i formated AGAIN with 4.1RC (that next day) and left BusID as is, and it was fine.
[04:57] <fabbione> Kirsch: cool
[04:57] <stodge> Awesome - plugged my USB webcam into my PC, and Ubuntu recognised it and GnomeMeeting used it first time! Awesome job :)
[04:57] <Gmail> just a question have the way of making deb since woody came out changed?
[04:58] <bob2> Gmail: nope
[04:58] <Gmail> bob2: good
[04:58] <daniels> Gmail: not at all
[04:58] <Gmail> bob2: want to test xchat for me?
[04:58] <Gmail> i am doing one more change to it
[04:58] <bob2> Gmail: why didn't you just us the debian xchat packages?
[04:58] <daniels> Gmail: i'll look at it if you throw up a deb-src line
[05:00] <Gmail> opps i fund my problem
[05:00] <fabbione> ah cool
[05:00] <Gmail> it was i only mistspelt debian
[05:00] <Gmail> i spelt it debina
[05:01] <Gmail> LOL
[05:01] <Gmail> ok building
[05:01] <jordi> hey
[05:01] <Gmail> anything i should read to make it complatble with other computers?
[05:01] <bob2> joooooooooooooordi
[05:01] <daniels> yo jordi
[05:01] <fabbione> jordi: que pasa?
[05:01] <jordi> have you ubuntu people noticed the anti-canonical FUD someone is distributing through www.buildd.net?
[05:01] <Gmail> oh wait warty frozen d/m
[05:02] <Gmail> it will just work (tm)
[05:02] <jordi> hola amigos!! what's up dudes!
[05:02] <Keybuk> not just frozen, released!
[05:02] <bob2> "someone"?
[05:02] <fabbione> jordi: ?
[05:02] <jordi> bob2: well it's signed by "=ij=", whoever he is.
[05:02] <Gmail> Keybuk: the warty relest is frozzen
[05:02] <bob2> haha
[05:02] <StarScream> does ubuntu use xfree86 or xorg?
[05:02] <jordi> Gmail: The warty release is released, heh.
[05:02] <bob2> StarScream: xfree86 + bazillion patches
[05:03] <fabbione> StarScream: heavily patches xfree86
[05:03] <bob2> jordi: which page on that site?
[05:03] <jordi> http://unstable.buildd.net/index-sparc.html
[05:03] <deFrysk> gmail did you get firefox with apt-get source -b from experimental ?
[05:03] <ddaa> ij prolly = Ingo Juergensmann.
[05:03] <jdub> jordi: rad!
[05:03] <StarScream> is it going to break if i want to use xorg...for some reason xfree + ibook = dodgey ass fonts...but xorg seems to be ok
[05:03] <daniels> fabbione: http://unstable.buildd.net/index-i386.html
[05:03] <Gmail> deFrysk: i still need to see where i am geting firefox from testing or sid
[05:04] <fabbione> daniels: i guess it's a standard header for all pages..
[05:04] <bob2> jordi: argh :/
[05:04] <daniels> StarScream: we use xfree86 with 300,000 or so lines of patches; hoary (our development tree, which is just about to open for the next release) will have x.org
[05:04] <stodge> My PC runs Linux like crap. The binary NVidia driver is slower than the nv driver in 2D. Overall, it's around 40% less responsive than Windows, especially when disk activity is high :(
[05:04] <deFrysk> Gmail, testing has 0.9.3 ....
[05:04] <jordi> oh, it's Ingo Juergensmann.
[05:04] <deFrysk> experimental has 0.10.1
[05:04] <StarScream> daniels: ah ok, well i guess i'll just leave it for now then :)
[05:04] <bob2> stodge: is dma enabled?
[05:04] <stodge> Let me check - I think so
[05:04] <daniels> StarScream: what do you need x.org for?
[05:05] <stodge> Yes it is
[05:05] <jordi> ddaa: ah, missed your message :)
[05:05] <bob2> stodge: that is very weird...have you posted to the list about this?
[05:05] <StarScream> daniels: well for some reason (i dont know why) but xorg just seems to render fonts much better on my ibook, i think it may be the ati drivers
[05:05] <StarScream> daniels: xfree is fine on my desktop though
[05:06] <stodge> Thought I'd fixed this by specifying noapic and nolapic as kernel boot options. But no go. I posted on the forums about poor NVidia performance, but it isn't Ubuntu specific so I don't want to clog up lists with problems with my hardware. It's the same for all Linux distros.
[05:06] <ddaa> this ij dude _is_ paranoid
[05:06] <JanneM> StarScream: the version of XFree used in Warty has a lot of drivers backported
[05:07] <jordi> ddaa: the South African conspiracy unveiled!
[05:07] <StarScream> JanneM: well i can only go on what i am seeing on the screen...if the fonts look ok with xfree it doesn't really bother me which  they use
[05:07] <ddaa> gotta run out now
[05:07] <StarScream> but on my ibook they are kinda chunky
[05:07] <stodge> Switching apps or tabs in Firefox take several seconds etc... Just weird
[05:07] <JanneM> StarScream: could try booting the LiveCD and see what it looks like
[05:07] <StarScream> and dont look aa, even with AA turned on
[05:07] <StarScream> JanneM: does that have xorg?
[05:07] <JanneM> no
[05:08] <StarScream> JanneM: how will that be different then...? i'll try it though if you think it will
[05:08] <JanneM> but you can check if the ubuntu version of  xfree looks fine on your hardware
[05:08] <StarScream> JanneM: but i'm already running ubuntu warty on my ibook
[05:08] <JanneM> ok
[05:08] <JanneM> misunderstood
[05:08] <StarScream> its cool :)
[05:08] <JanneM> :)
[05:09] <JanneM> a little weird, though
[05:09] <JanneM> shouldn't make a difference, I'd think
[05:10] <malte> Gmail, are getting those debs to work?
[05:13] <malte> are you*
[05:13] <malte> :)
[05:13] <Gmail> malte: yes
[05:13] <Gmail> malte: what do you want
[05:14] <stojanos> Why there is no File Types and Programs under Desktop Preferences in gnome 2.8  and where I can find it ?
[05:14] <Gmail> i still need to upload them and make it into a pt repsonory
[05:14] <Gmail> firefox is starting
[05:14] <Gmail> xchat is working
[05:14] <daniels> Gmail: what have you done to firefox?
[05:14] <Gmail> brb updating to new client
[05:14] <slade_> is there anyway to download development versions of ubuntu?
[05:14] <daniels> i'd love to see the source debs
[05:15] <bob2> slade_: it doesn't exist yet
[05:15] <annelies> are there any premade gstreamer mp3 plugin packages for ubuntu?
[05:15] <daniels> slade_: hoary, our development tree, hasn't opened yet, but it will be along shortly
[05:15] <bob2> annelies: gestreamer0.8-mad
[05:15] <annelies> thx bob
[05:15] <slade_> ahh...cool..id like to get ubuntu with xorg and april is a long ways away :-Pp
[05:15] <annelies> thx bob2
[05:16] <annelies> bob2, how is an end user supposed to know that?
[05:16] <stodge> Can I turn off the animation when I minimise a window?
[05:16] <bob2> annelies: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormates
[05:16] <spiv> annelies: The error message is pretty bad, yeah.
[05:17] <MrTom> hi
[05:17] <bob2> annelies: I'm not sure how people should know how to find that, except via a FAQ
[05:18] <malte> will there be some sort of official debian unstable repository for ubuntu?
[05:18] <bob2> malte: hoary is the development branch
[05:18] <bob2> malte: universe will contain packages from sid directly
[05:18] <malte> bob2, oh, cool :) didn't know that
[05:18] <malte> so hoary will be more bleeding egde than sid?
[05:19] <bob2> malte: no
[05:19] <annelies> bob2, thx for the help
[05:19] <MrTom> each time i run k3b i've to delete .ICEauthority ... how can i do to burn audio cd easily?
[05:19] <bob2> hoary will be ubuntu's development branch
[05:19] <malte> bob2, i see
[05:19] <annelies> I was pretending to be the ordinary end user
[05:19] <bob2> I'm not sure anyone knows how unstable it will be
[05:19] <annelies> trying to do the most obvious thing
[05:19] <Android16> hello
[05:19] <annelies> and that was surfing to the main site
[05:19] <bob2> annelies: ah, trolling people who would help you, good plan
[05:19] <malte> bob2, is it possible to use existing official debian repositories btw?
[05:20] <annelies> bob2, I'm sorry if this sounded like offending you
[05:20] <bob2> malte: you can, but you're on your own with that
[05:20] <annelies> I really wanted to produce something useful
[05:20] <malte> bob2, ok :) thx for the help
[05:20] <annelies> showing a friend around his shiny new ubuntu system
[05:20] <bob2> malte: you're welcome
[05:21] <annelies> bob2, bye, and thx for your help again!
[05:21] <spiv> annelies: Suggestions to improve this would be welcome.. you can file bugs on ubuntu and the ubuntu website at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:21] <malte> i wonder where gmail is, i want to try his firefox-package
[05:21] <stvn> annelies: what would you ssuggest to improve? other than including gstreamer-mad?
[05:21] <spiv> annelies: But it's tricky, I think :)
[05:21] <annelies> stvn, I know that isn't possible
[05:21] <Gmail> opps
[05:21] <malte> Gmail, there you are :) how's it coming along?
[05:21] <bob2> gstreamer could give a better error message
[05:21] <annelies> I'm actually quite active in the anti-swpat movement
[05:21] <bob2> thaytan: ^^
[05:22] <Gmail> malte: i need to fix xchat you really want 0.10.1 of firefox?
[05:22] <annelies> stvn, but the topic in the static documentation (as opposed to the wiki)
[05:22] <malte> Gmail, yes please
[05:22] <Gmail> i can build it nowish
[05:22] <annelies> could use some elaboration on mp3 support
[05:22] <spiv> annelies: File a website bug.
[05:22] <annelies> bye, and thx everyone
[05:22] <annelies> spiv, will do
[05:22] <stvn> bye
[05:22] <malte> Gmail, oh... btw, i don't suppose you are using 64-bit? :|
[05:22] <spiv> annelies: great :)
[05:23] <stvn> wavs?
[05:23] <malte> Gmail, i could look at the source debs though
[05:23] <Gmail> malte: no but... i need dev file i dont yet
[05:23] <Gmail> malte: i will make them and email you
[05:23] <malte> Gmail, cheers!
[05:24] <Gmail> why the hell did xchat need tcl8.4-dev
[05:25] <Gmail> i install tcl8.3-dev and build and got an error with xchat
[05:25] <Gmail> i duoble checked what debian said i needed and bang it was version 8.4-dev
[05:25] <Gmail> so i rebuild them now
[05:26] <bob2> Gmail: why aren't you using the debian source package?
[05:28] <Gmail> bob2: i am
[05:28] <malte> bob2, btw, where can i find hoary?
[05:28] <Gmail> bob2: what do you think i am doing?
[05:28] <bob2> malte: it doesn't exist yet
[05:28] <bob2> Gmail: so how can you possibly have the build-deps wrong?
[05:28] <Gmail> i am getting the info and stuff from here http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/xchat
[05:28] <bob2> Gmail: they're correct in Debian
[05:29] <malte> bob2, ok :)
[05:29] <nreid> Hi All - I'm trying to build multisync from their latest CVS snapshot but am getting odd autoconf/automakey errors... Anyone had any luck?
[05:29] <Gmail> bob2: because xchat relies on xchat-common 2.4.0-0.2 and i renamed xchat-common 2.4.0-0.2ubuntu
[05:29] <Gmail> so...
[05:29] <nreid> eg. configure.in:7: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
[05:29] <Gmail> brb
[05:31] <nreid> I'm using autoconf 2.53 and automake 1.4-p6
[05:31] <Gmail> i am getting the error
[05:31] <Gmail> when i start xchat
[05:31] <Gmail> :~ $ xchat
[05:31] <Gmail> Segmentation fault
[05:32] <bob2> Gmail: time to use your debugging skills
[05:32] <Gmail> so i guess that has to do with dev file
[05:32] <bob2> nope
[05:32] <Gmail> and i install all of them i think
[05:32] <Gmail> bob2: what? a not a pr0 yet
[05:33] <Gmail> only at backporting
[05:33] <Gmail> and when i have all dev file installed there no stupid errors
[05:33] <daniels> Gmail: segfault likely means you tried to patch some code and it went badly wrong
[05:33] <daniels> Gmail: btw, try '0.2ubuntu1'
[05:34] <Kamion> you're not a pro at backporting if you're building packages with dpkg-deb --build, trust me. :-)
[05:35] <iminj> HI: Anyone able to help a NOOB with a soundcard issue?
[05:35] <Micksa> heh
[05:35] <Micksa> okay, so um
[05:35] <Micksa> Kamion: what do pros use?...
[05:35] <Gmail> Kamion: i am so with backporting a few program that dont have any depenscy
[05:35] <Kamion> Micksa: the standard Debian source package tools
[05:35] <daniels> Gmail: surely you don't need to change anything -- just use the standard 'update-to-new-upstream-version' tool and run debuild
[05:36] <Gmail> Kamion: who do you build your debs? using the harder way?
[05:36] <Micksa> as in dpkg-source? or dpkg-buildpackage?
[05:36] <Micksa> doesn't dpkg-deb count as one? :)
[05:36] <bob2> dpkg-deb is very very low-level
[05:36] <Kamion> Gmail: there's lots of documentation on the Debian web site. This is not the place.
[05:36] <daniels> Gmail: the only harder way is http://people.debian.org/~daniels/task-necbs/
[05:36] <Kamion> Micksa: dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild, whatever)
[05:36] <Micksa> okay
[05:36] <Micksa> I'm a pro then
[05:36] <Micksa> yay! :)
[05:36] <daniels> Gmail: you are using debian/rules, right, and not just moving everything into DEBIAN by hand?
[05:36] <Gmail> Kamion: i read the when woody came out and bob2 said nothing updated
[05:36] <Kamion> Gmail: you've chosen the single most painful possible way to do the job.
[05:37] <bob2> Gmail: dpkg-deb was not the recommended way to build debs in woody
[05:37] <Micksa> grah, there are too many ways to build a debian package
[05:37] <bob2> Gmail: or potato
[05:37] <Kamion> Gmail: I don't care what some broken howto said
[05:37] <Gmail> err then why did the guide tell me the hard way?
[05:38] <bob2> Gmail: the guide is broken
[05:38] <tvon> oh my
[05:38] <daniels> Gmail: you can find documents telling you to wear tin foil hats on the internet
[05:38] <Gmail> Kamion: mind giving me a knew one
[05:38] <stvn> A
[05:38] <stvn> np
[05:38] <bob2> Gmail: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[05:38] <Gmail> daniels: dont you?
[05:38] <tvon> When is the Hoary kickoff meeting scheduled?
[05:38] <stvn> yeah, heel irritant, volgens mij een linux probleem en iig niet een specifiek ubuntu probleem
[05:38] <bob2> tvon: 20 minutes
[05:39] <stvn> w/w
[05:39] <tvon> lovely
[05:39] <Micksa> okay, so what's a cmdline calculator?
[05:39] <Micksa> like bc
[05:39] <Micksa> but with, like, useful stuff
[05:39] <Kamion> Micksa: python?
[05:39] <Micksa> like exponential notation
[05:39] <Micksa> nah, that only half counts as one
[05:39] <tvon> isnt bc available?
[05:40] <malte> yacas?
[05:40] <angie75> i would like to setup a dsl gateway with ubuntu any clues? may I just do it with the network tools?
[05:40] <tvon> bc is available
[05:40] <iminj> I'm looking for assistance with a a sound issue. I have 1 sound card (SB awe64), but ubuntu Volume Control opens 2 active sound mixers - OSS and ALSA.
[05:40] <tvon> iminj: that is the nasty state of volume control in gnome
[05:41] <Micksa> is that gnome-specifi
[05:41] <tvon> angie75: for a gateway box you won't be able to do it all with the GUI tools I believe
[05:41] <iminj> tvon: that's the default gnome setting ?
[05:41] <azeem> is there an easy/out-of-the-box working way to make dhcp/ntp ethernet-cable-aware? Like installing ifplugd?
[05:41] <Micksa> or just a problem with being able to tell which OSS cards are just ALSA clones?
[05:41] <tvon> iminj: the default volume control app shows all the available sound controls, which is generally Alsa and OSS (which is just alsa emulating OSS)
[05:41] <Micksa> tvon: bc is kinda shitty
[05:42] <Micksa> you can't pass it "1e+6", say
[05:42] <tvon> Micksa: I thought you said 'like bc', so I figured you liked it :)
[05:42] <iminj> tvon: is is possible to deactivate 1 mixer ?
[05:42] <tvon> I dont know of any alternatives
[05:42] <tvon> iminj: maybe, not that I know how
[05:42] <Micksa> like bc but not bc :)
[05:43] <iminj> ok .. thanks
[05:43] <stvn> hey is it possible to get sounds from gaim, while music is playing?
[05:44] <bob2> if you use esd, yes
[05:44] <bob2> or have agood sound card, like a sb live
[05:44] <bob2> or setup dmix
[05:44] <tvon> I believe it worked out of the box that way for me
[05:45] <stvn> tvon: lucky you ;)
[05:45] <tvon> Micksa: you could always get the open-source clone of Matlab
[05:45] <tvon> stvn: :-D
[05:45] <bob2> octave is pretty good
[05:45] <tvon> ah yes, 'octave' it's called
[05:45] <Micksa> I have that
[05:45] <Micksa> I should have tried it as a calculator huh :)
[05:45] <Micksa> yacas looks, um, involved
[05:45] <Micksa> it appears to be an open-source mathematic
[05:45] <Micksa> er
[05:45] <Micksa> mathematica
[05:46] <Micksa> which rocks
[05:46] <iminj> OK ... here's another NOOB question. How do I edit /etc/modules ? I want to add 1 item (apm), but when I open the file, it's "READ ONLY" ...
[05:46] <Micksa> I'll have to look at it later :)
[05:46] <tvon> iminj: sudo
[05:46] <bob2> iminj: you need to open it as root
[05:46] <tvon> iminj: what command are you using to open it?
[05:46] <tvon> sudo vim /etc/modules
[05:46] <tvon> for example
[05:46] <iminj> i went in with a text editor
[05:46] <tvon> but don't do that unless you know vim
[05:47] <iminj> just wanna add apm
[05:47] <Micksa> what does edit to by default in ubuntu?
[05:47] <Micksa> heh, I'm in here, AND in #ubuntu-devel, but I haven't actually tried it yet
[05:47] <azeem> anybody know what's up with multisync? Why isn't it in universe?
[05:48] <bob2> azeem: was it in sid on june 28th?
[05:48] <azeem> I'd say so, but dunno
[05:48] <azeem> yeah
[05:49] <bob2> iminj: type this: sudo sh -c 'echo apm >> /etc/modules'
[05:49] <Gmail> err i hate having the learn knew way of doig thing i dont know that well
[05:49] <stodge> Can I cleanly revert from the NVidia binary to the nv driver?
[05:49] <spiv> bob2: "echo apm | sudo tee -a /etc/modules"  would work too.
[05:50] <bob2> ah, much neater
[05:50] <bob2> spiv: yes
[05:50] <bob2> stodge: ^
[05:50] <fabbione> stodge: yes
[05:50] <wulfy> iminj: you can just do "run sudo gedit"
[05:50] <stodge> ok
[05:50] <bob2> stodge: just unload the kernel module and switch back to the nv X driver
[05:50] <stodge> ok thanks
[05:50] <iminj> bob2: thanks ... I think I got it already ... sudo gedit /etc modules
[05:50] <wulfy> then you will have root priveleges with gedit
[05:50] <bob2> iminj: that too
[05:51] <iminj> :)
[05:51] <mako> Gmail: hey there
[05:52] <Gmail> hey mako
[05:52] <bur[n] er> has anyone gotten gparted to work with ubuntu?
[05:53] <Gmail> anyone want to explain why the hell dh-make is do dam easy and just one command to build and you dont have to do anything?
[05:53] <stodge> I just can't deal with how slow Linux runs on my PC anymore
[05:53] <stodge> May have to revert to Windows
[05:54] <bob2> or file a bug
[05:54] <bob2> Gmail: it's not that easy
[05:54] <isam> I'd like to welcome myself to ubuntu :) this is my first boot to it..
[05:54] <bob2> Gmail: what were the names of some of the 100 programs you packaged?
[05:54] <malte> bob2, btw, when will ubuntu include sid's updated packages?
[05:54] <malte> (if i understood you correctly)
[05:54] <bur[n] er> malte: in 6 months
[05:54] <bur[n] er> when the next release happens
[05:54] <jdub> malte: hoary will sync with debian sid
[05:54] <tvon> making debian packages sucks
[05:55] <bob2> malte: universe will be synced at some point in the near future
[05:55] <jdub> malte: and will be open, as a development branch, soon
[05:55] <malte> ah, okay
[05:55] <malte> cool :)
[05:55] <malte> creds to the developers btw, ubunto really is nice :)
[05:56] <bur[n] er> just needs gparted and a better cd burning app ;)
[05:56] <Gmail> bob2: zmanimim qtzmanim gtkzmanim about 30 version of each
[05:56] <iminj> Anyone else experiencing hotplug FATAL errors inserting shpchp and pciehp during the boot sequence ?
[05:56] <nreid> iminj: yes.
[05:56] <wulfy> iminj: yes
[05:57] <iminj> does this mean that usb is fried?
[05:57] <nreid> iminj: Apparently they're not a real problem... Just hotplug being verbose.
[05:58] <iminj> ok nreid ... thanx
[05:58] <isam> Riddell, are you there ?
[05:59] <ctalkep> hi guys
[06:00] <isam> Riddell, your KDE rpms require libjasper >= 1.701.0 and libopenexr2 >= 1.2.1 .. they are not available
[06:00] <isam> Riddell, I mean the Debs :)
[06:02] <iminj> thanks everyone for your assistance ..
[06:06] <bob2> Gmail: if you want to sit in on that, you must remain silent
[06:07] <Gmail> lol
[06:07] <bob2> no, seriously, remain silent
[06:07] <bob2> this is an important meeting and getting everyone together in the middle of the night is non-trivla
[06:07] <bob2> do not waste their time
[06:08] <Gmail> ohh
[06:08] <Gmail> you are talking about the meeting
[06:08] <Gmail> i said lol instead of wtf is he talking about beacuse...
[06:09] <bern> how can I set my orinoco gold classic card to monitor mode?
[06:09] <bob2> Gmail: regardless, remain silent
[06:10] <Matt|> hi all
[06:10] <gruberman> whats that 'merge with sid' they are atalking aboout?
[06:11] <jazzka> hi!
[06:11] <bob2> Gmail: just shut up
[06:11] <Gmail> bob2: i said my ideas now i gtg
[06:11] <tseng> ...
[06:11] <bob2> seriously, just shut up
[06:11] <jazzka> I would to help translating ubuntu to spanish and catalan, how can I start?
[06:11] <polo_> hello folks, i had a quick question. whenever i try to remove certain packages (like emacs), there are dependencies tied to ubuntu-desktop...is it OK to remove that package or will it break everyyhing?
[06:12] <bob2> jazzka: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationTeam
[06:12] <bob2> polo_: it's ok
[06:12] <Matt|> polo_, remove that no problem
[06:13] <Matt|> hi all. I want to streamline my bootup a bit: is it possible for some people to help me with removing some services at startup? I need to know which i can safely remove and how to do so. Would appreciate the help a lot!!
[06:13] <polo_> guys, thanks much for the help! ubuntu rocks...
[06:13] <Matt|> polo_, yep :)
[06:14] <bob2> Matt|: probably best to ask that on the list
[06:14] <Matt|> bob2, mailing list?
[06:14] <Matt|> heh i'm so curious now about what it was that gmail was saying earlier ;O
[06:15] <Gmail> Matt|: i told sabdfl to say it at the end
[06:15] <Matt|> gmail i do not understand that
[06:15] <Kamion> Matt|: he's basically just trying to barge in on a meeting out of agenda and make his point without regard for the people who are losing sleep in order to stay up for the meeting they have to attend.
[06:15] <Matt|> oh are you guys having a meeting?
[06:15] <Kamion> it's a public meeting, but abusing it is just rude
[06:16] <Matt|> is this a dev channel?
[06:16] <Kamion> Matt|: yes, the Hoary kickoff meeting
[06:16] <Gmail> in #ubuntu-meeting
[06:16] <Gmail> not here
[06:16] <Matt|> oh well ok
[06:16] <Gmail> i said my commont i finished
[06:16] <sabdfl> Matt|: join #ubuntu-meeting to follow the process, but please hold back on stuff that's not on the agenda till we get to the end
[06:16] <Matt|> so it is ok to ask my questions in here?
[06:16] <Kamion> Matt|: yeah, absolutely
[06:16] <Matt|> sabdfl, thanks i will come and just listen
[06:18] <Matt|> re: removing services at startup, I thought that I could remove the time synching service, as my network is not brought up by then anyway. Does anyknow know how to remove this?
[06:19] <bob2> you can use update-rc.d or just rm /etc/rc2.d/*ntpdate
[06:19] <Matt|> bob2, i tried figuring out update-rc.d with the man page but couldn't get it
[06:20] <Matt|> bob2, could you give me an indication of the command necessary?
[06:20] <bob2> yeah, it is quite confusing
[06:20] <bob2> I'd just use rm, myself
[06:20] <Matt|> oh right ok
[06:20] <Matt|> perhaps i will back em up until i'm sure i don't want them
[06:20] <bob2> I'm not sure how to use update-rc.d for this, tbh
[06:20] <bob2> Matt|: it's just one symlink
[06:20] <Matt|> oh i c
[06:21] <Matt|> to init.d?
[06:21] <bob2> the symlink goes from rc2.d to init.d, yes
[06:22] <Matt|> bob2, i do not have a symlink with the name ntpdate in that file
[06:22] <GuBA> kernel version of ubuntu??
[06:22] <Kamion> GuBA: 2.6.8.1
[06:22] <Matt|> 2.6.8.1
[06:23] <Matt|> bob2, do you know if it is triggered by another service maybe?
[06:23] <bob2> Matt|: hrm
[06:23] <Matt|> hrm?
[06:23] <bob2> Matt|: ah, it's in /etc/rcS.d/
[06:24] <Matt|> what is S?
[06:24] <Matt|> man i don't understand the run levels in ubuntu!
[06:24] <bob2> S is startup
[06:24] <bob2> it's not just ubuntu, all modern unices use it
[06:24] <Matt|> oh i thought 2 was startup
[06:24] <bob2> (except *bsd and slackware)
[06:24] <bob2> to is the default runlevel
[06:25] <bob2> S is run in all runlevels
[06:25] <bob2> er, before
[06:25] <Matt|> oh i c
[06:25] <Matt|> i meant, i don't understand how they are organised. In the other distros i've used i have just used the chkconfig command
[06:25] <bob2> all redhat-based
[06:25] <Matt|> yes that is correct
[06:26] <Matt|> i've only used fedora and mandrake
[06:26] <bob2> there's sysv-rc-conf
[06:26] <ctalkep> does anyone here know how do i get to install micq, since apt-get reports broken dependencies?
[06:26] <bob2> I wouldn't use micq
[06:26] <bob2> the author is a nut
[06:26] <ctalkep> well, what other conole icq client can i use?
[06:26] <bob2> http://lwn.net/Articles/22991/
[06:26] <bob2> centreicq is good
[06:27] <ctalkep> bob2, and what does "nut" mean?:)
[06:27] <bob2> he trojaned micq
[06:27] <bob2> read that link
[06:27] <Matt|> bob2, do you think I can safely get rid of S55urandom?
[06:27] <Matt|> nut= crazy person
[06:27] <Erix> hi
[06:27] <bob2> Matt|: why?
[06:27] <bob2> (and no)
[06:27] <Matt|> hi Erix
[06:28] <Matt|> bob2, do you know what it does?
[06:28] <bob2> Matt|: yes
[06:28] <bob2> Matt|: read  the top of the file
[06:28] <Matt|> oh great thanks
[06:29] <Matt|> bob2, how about this one: S25mdadm-raid?
[06:29] <bob2> if you don't use software raid, you could disable that
[06:29] <Matt|> i don't think i do ;)
[06:29] <daniels> why are you trying to get rid of it?
[06:29] <bob2> you won't save much boot time, tho
[06:29] <daniels> you'll get more mileage out of initialising the network as early as you can, then initialising gdm straight after that
[06:29] <bob2> hotplug takes up more time than anything else for me
[06:30] <Matt|> bob2, guess not but if i remove a bunch of them, then i will save time.
[06:30] <bob2> stodge: if ubuntu is slow, please file bugs
[06:30] <Matt|> daniels, i don't understand that?
[06:30] <Matt|> bob2, yes i was thinking of removing hotplug too
[06:30] <stodge> How easy is it to create an Ubuntu package from source? glademm isn't available, so I thought I might try to create the package myself :P
[06:30] <bob2> Matt|: erm, that's a very bad idea if you don't know what you're doing
[06:31] <bob2> stodge: you don't need to
[06:31] <Matt|> bob2, i do not use hotplug that I am aware of
[06:31] <bob2> stodge: glademm is in sid, you can probably just buidl that with no changes
[06:31] <bob2> Matt|: yes you do
[06:31] <bob2> Matt|: it loads all your modules on boot
[06:31] <Matt|> bob2, ah
[06:31] <stodge> sid? Ok let me see if I can read how to use that. Thanks again
[06:31] <Matt|> hmmm
[06:32] <ctalkep> bob2, i read it, and i'm giving up on mICQ, bu then would you recommend another console icq client?
 centreicq is good
[06:33] <Matt|> daniels, what do you mean by <daniels> you'll get more mileage out of initialising the network as early as you can, then initialising gdm straight after that
[06:33] <Matt|> i didn't understand that
[06:34] <daniels> Matt|: ok, so what you want to do in the boot process is to get your network card intialised really early -- with an address and all that
[06:34] <manuel_> When i boot, i got an error of loading the floppy-driver. how can i remove this module, because i don't have a floppy...
[06:34] <daniels> as soon as that's done, you want to start gdm
[06:34] <Matt|> daniels, i'm not sure that I can do this
[06:34] <daniels> that way, everything else continues on loading in the background, but you can login
[06:34] <bob2> manuel_: it's safe to ignore
[06:34] <Matt|> daniels, oh cool idea yeah
[06:34] <bob2> ctalkep: centreicq...
[06:35] <Matt|> daniels, i would need to add my own custom script in order to get networking working i think
[06:35] <daniels> why's that?
[06:35] <Matt|> daniels, at the moment I am running a custom script to bring it up
[06:35] <bob2> Matt|: why?
[06:35] <manuel_> bob2: But it is getting on my nervs ;-)
[06:35] <bob2> manuel_: you could blacklist it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, I guess
[06:35] <Matt|> i use a wireless card and the howto told me to use the script which comes with the package
[06:36] <Matt|> bob2, daniels, how is it posible for me to start gdm earlier in the boot process?
[06:36] <bob2> Matt|: scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ are started in order of the number
[06:36] <Matt|> oh that is what the number is for ;)
[06:37] <__daniel> hai
[06:37] <Matt|> does the same apply to those in rc.S.d?
[06:37] <Matt|> *rcS
[06:37] <bob2> yes
[06:37] <Matt|> hi __daniel
[06:37] <bob2> but be careful
[06:37] <__daniel> how do i get my  /dev/hci0   :-/
[06:37] <bob2> you can make your system sortof unbootable
[06:37] <__daniel> something's wrong with my bluetooth stuff
[06:37] <Matt|> bob2, so what is the earliest point in your opinion where it is safe to start gdm
[06:38] <bob2> Matt|: I don't know
[06:38] <Gmail> night
[06:38] <bob2> Matt|: I'm happy enough with the current system
[06:38] <Matt|> bob2, ok
[06:38] <Matt|> i would like to add the custom script for the wifi card to startup
[06:38] <Matt|> can i just make a link to it?
[06:38] <bob2> after klogd would probably be late enough
[06:38] <bob2> at a guess
[06:40] <angie75> please help is there a text web browser in ubuntu?
[06:40] <Kamion> angie75: w3m
[06:40] <Matt|> angie you could install one?
[06:40] <__daniel> angie75: loads of:  w3m lynx links
[06:41] <angie75> yes MAtt i can but there's not links or lynx in the repository
[06:41] <Matt|> perhaps you need to look in another repository: i can see em both
[06:42] <Matt|> lynx - Text-mode WWW Browser
[06:42] <angie75> how can I find my ip from terminal
[06:42] <__daniel> angie75, ifconfig
[06:42] <Matt|> angie75, do ifconfig
[06:42] <schweeb> lynx is in main
[06:42] <schweeb> links is in universe
[06:43] <angie75> ok, sorry I'm doin' an help installation by phone :-)
[06:43] <Matt|> bob2, if i wanted to add a link to those directories, would it be ok to do just a ln -s?
[06:44] <malte> is universe recommended? (i know it's not supported)
[06:44] <bur[n] er> links does tables... lynx does not
[06:44] <__daniel> malte, it works fine over here
[06:45] <angie75> tnx guys
[06:45] <__daniel> angie75, de rien
[06:45] <angie75> hah merci daniel
[06:45] <__daniel> angie75, :-)
[06:45] <__daniel> no one of you has working bluetooth in ubuntu?
[06:46] <wannes> malte: depends on the package I guess ...
[06:46] <bob2> Matt|: yes.
[06:46] <malte> __daniel, wannes, ok, thx
[06:46] <wannes> I have some universe packages that work great ...
[06:46] <angie75> bye tnx
[06:46] <Matt|> bob2, so do you think this would be ok:
[06:46] <Matt|> ln -s /home/matt/acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_37/scripts/start_net S41wireless_custom
[06:46] <wannes> and some that don't work at all :o)
[06:47] <bob2> Matt|: er, I guess so
[06:47] <Matt|> i've added it to the rcS.d directory
[06:48] <Matt|> now to see if it works ;)
[06:50] <killpanda> yeah !
[06:51] <killpanda> who have installed ubuntu on an ibook G4 ?
[06:51] <bob2> I have
[06:51] <killpanda> bob2 : is the vga output suported ?
[06:52] <killpanda> for the extended desktop :)
[06:52] <bob2> http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html
[06:52] <killpanda> oki, thank :)
[06:52] <killpanda> t francai ?
[06:52] <bob2> ?
[06:52] <killpanda> oups sorry
[06:52] <killpanda> :)
[06:53] <stodge> Anyone know what causes this error:
[06:53] <stodge> Makefile.am:6: AM_GNU_GETTEXT in `configure.in' but `intl' not in SUBDIRS
[06:53] <__daniel> stodge,       grep SUBDIRS *
[06:54] <__daniel> stodge,  add   intl   to the list of SUBDIRS
[06:54] <killpanda> it is very cool :)
[06:54] <__daniel> stodge,  (in the found file)
[06:54] <killpanda> i will install ubuntu :)
[06:58] <jind> What is the name of the gtk devel files? I have tried a sudo atp-cache search gtk | grep devel, but it returnes so many results..
[06:58] <azeem> libgtk2.0-dev
[06:58] <jind> Thank you!
[06:58] <malte> generally you should grep for "dev"
[06:59] <__daniel> brb
[07:00] <sub_pop> is there a 'tomboy' package for ubuntu?
[07:00] <dieman> someone want to add http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/ to the download page?
[07:00] <stodge> I'm spending more time trying to configure Ubuntu and get things working that I am developing :(
[07:01] <agenteo> can I export the downloaded files (from synaptic) on my ubuntu system to another one? And use them as a local repository?
[07:01] <stodge> (than)
[07:01] <malte> Gmail, did you get firefox to work? ;)
[07:02] <johane> oy
[07:02] <malte> johane, aloha
[07:03] <david_> I can't get the nvidia driver to work - get "signal 11" afterloading all drivers and options without any obvious problems
[07:03] <david_> anyone know what to look for?
[07:03] <malte> david_, what do the logs show?
[07:05] <david_> I did a startx --logverbose and the log is super long, ending with "Fatal server error: Caught sitnal 11. server aborting"
[07:05] <david_> no "EE" errors in the log
[07:05] <muhv> is it safe to switch my current ubuntu kernel (-i386) to k7 optimized kernel with my athlon 2500 cpu pc?
[07:06] <muhv> ubuntu installs by default i386 kernel to my pc
[07:06] <wannes> yes
[07:06] <wannes> !uname -a
[07:06] <wannes> crap :/
[07:06] <wannes> Linux dokus 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Tue Oct 12 14:12:34 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:07] <muhv> :)
[07:07] <wannes> muhv: I have a duron
[07:07] <jacob> The 2.8 kernel detects cpu and uses optimized code at runtime if im not mistaken
[07:07] <muhv> no mather, if its k7 anyway
[07:07] <jacob> oops, 2.6 i mean, of course 8)
[07:08] <muhv> but why is ubuntu uses i386 kernel for my athon pc
[07:08] <jacob> muhv, because athlon is a i386 cpu
[07:08] <muhv> but why not -k7
[07:09] <jacob> muhv, because its not that necessary anymore
[07:09] <littlepaul> Gmail, i have no positive answer for you - sorry
[07:09] <muhv> so there is no reason to switch my i386 kernel to -k7?
[07:09] <stodge> I'm going back to Windows - my PC just runs Linux too slowly
[07:10] <stodge> Wish it were otherwise - Ubuntu is generally very good
[07:10] <jacob> muhv, you could try, but I'd be suprised if you could tell any difference
[07:10] <Kamion> muhv: we use the 386 kernel by default because we only wanted to give space for one kernel on the CD
[07:10] <Kamion> muhv: a netboot install on your box would use a k7 kernel, and you're welcome to install that if you like
[07:11] <muhv> i rather aptget -k7 kernel
[07:18] <__daniel> "No devices in HCI mode found" *cry*
[07:18] <khronic> aw, there there daniel..no need to cry :P
[07:19] <__daniel> khronic, help me fix my bluetooth thingie, and i'll stop crying :-)
[07:20] <khronic> sorry bud..no experience there :)
[07:20] <__daniel> :)
[07:24] <punkass> is there a way to check when  a user account was created?
[07:24] <__daniel> you want to know at which time?
[07:25] <punkass> the date/time
[07:25] <punkass> or unix time..
[07:25] <bob2> stat /home/$user
[07:25] <jono> can I use a .config from 2.4 with 2.6?
[07:25] <punkass> ah thanks
[07:25] <Juz_moi> no jono
[07:26] <jono> so I have to go from scratch and reconfigure everything
[07:26] <punkass> bob2: that only seems to show access/modified/changed
[07:26] <punkass> not Created
[07:26] <Juz_moi> I guess I'm havinf fits myself with 2.6 and getting vmware on it
[07:26] <bob2> if one of those isn't it, unix doesn't record it
[07:27] <Juz_moi> I'm about 2 more trys from going back to sid
[07:27] <punkass> hmm
[07:27] <jono> is there a tool that can take a .config file and print out a nicely formatted PDF of which options you picked?
[07:27] <bob2> jono: no
[07:27] <jono> that would be handy
[07:27] <bob2> what is the point of it?
[07:27] <Juz_moi> gezz jono would you like frys with that?
[07:27] <jono> hehe
[07:27] <waff> is ubuntu going to mirror debian at major release points, or is ubuntu taking the sarge release and then forking their own version permanently ?
[07:27] <bob2> ubuntu never forked sarge
[07:28] <bob2> it forked sid on june 28th
[07:28] <bob2> ubuntu will resync in the near future
[07:28] <bob2> punkass: /var/log/auth.log will have it
[07:28] <waff> excellent
[07:31] <LinuxJones> jono, you should be able to copy your 2.4 .config file to the 2.6 source dir and run make oldconfig. You will have to answer alot of questions tho :P
[07:31] <punkass> is there a simple way to view the contents of a gz file?
[07:31] <daniels> zcat/zless
[07:31] <punkass> thanks
[07:31] <housetier> install vim and use "view file.gz"
[07:32] <jono> so does gconfig and qconfig store its settings in a new .config or is it a different file?
[07:32] <__daniel> i hope it's not .tar.gz :-)
[07:32] <punkass> nope
[07:32] <letheus> Does anyone know how to change the region-code in Xchat?
[07:33] <letheus> Char
[07:33] <__daniel> Keybuk, you told me about using the xml files via libglademm - you know a cool example for this?
[07:33] <punkass> well no luck there bob2, as the log files arent old enough
[07:34] <LinuxJones> jono, it should  prompt you to write to write the changes to .config or you can choose another file.
[07:34] <aTypical> Hello.  Has anyone installed Ubuntu on a Compaq Presario laptop?  I'm looking to switch from Fedora to a Debian based distro and Ubuntu looks pretty nice.
[07:35] <bob2> aTypical: there's a hardware support page on the wiki
[07:35] <Raane> i only have the default sources in sources.list, but i get "errors" hitting some of them, is this common?
[07:35] <LinuxJones> aTypical, there is a live CD you can try for compatibility.
[07:36] <aTypical> LinuxJones, thanks.
[07:36] <aTypical> bob2, thanks to you too. :-)
[07:36] <LinuxJones> aTypical, you can't install from it yet though afaik
[07:36] <bob2> Raane: you'd need to paste the errors to #flood so we can see
[07:37] <Raane> bob2: 2 secs
[07:39] <killpanda> ipartition ca permet de degager de l'espace disk d'une partoche pour en creer une autre ???
[07:39] <killpanda> si oui j arrive pas :)
[07:39] <Logi> how comfortable am I as an old debian user going to be on ubuntu?
[07:39] <Raane> bob2: im pasting it now
[07:40] <Logi> can I set up a kde-based desktop machine easily?
[07:40] <bob2> Logi: yes, but note kde is unsupported
[07:40] <LinuxJones> Logi, it is an easy transition of you read the wiki faq
[07:40] <bob2> killpanda: english, sorry
[07:41] <Logi> bob2: ok, I've never had anything but stone-age supported KDE anyway, so that's fine
[07:41] <killpanda> bob2: sorry, wrong window
[07:41] <letheus> I?d like to change my 'char' in Xchat to Danish. How can i do this?
[07:41] <__daniel> bob2, i guess killpanda asked if he could shift partitions
[07:42] <Logi> LinuxJones: awwight, just wondering what to do with the new machine I'll be getting next week. I'll probably give ubuntu a try
[07:42] <bob2> Raane: something is very weird with your system
[07:42] <LinuxJones> Logi, you will love it I promise ;)
[07:42] <Logi> LinuxJones: I'll hold you to that!
[07:42] <LinuxJones> heh
[07:43] <Raane> bob2: hehe, ok
[07:50] <wannes> anyone can help me setting up k3b ? :)
[07:50] <bilb0> is it really that good LinuxJones
[07:50] <bilb0> i'm downloading the live cd now to check support for my system.
[07:50] <bilb0> i love debian
[07:51] <bilb0> but it's not what i would call a desktop distro
[07:51] <wannes> i did as told in the FAQ, but when i'm about to burn I can't select a writer ...
[07:51] <bilb0> more for server
[07:51] <wannes> Linux dokus 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Tue Oct 12 14:12:34 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:51] <bilb0> but this looks really promising
[07:51] <wannes> burning in nautilus works as expected
[07:51] <LinuxJones> bilb0, ya you will love it. For such a new distro it's very impressive.
[07:51] <wannes> "cdrdao blank" as a user also works in an xterm
[07:52] <bilb0> whats the support for raid sata like /?
[07:52] <LinuxJones> bilb0, I haven't heard either way
[07:52] <bilb0> okie well i'll be testing that
[07:57] <Anna> Hi guys, it's your newbie from hell... I'm trying to copy some tt-fonts over into the fonts folder, but nautilus is telling me that I don't have access there since I'm not the owner. I guess I need root access to that folder. But... since there is no root in Ubuntu, how do I get permission to access/modify files in the fonts folder?
[07:57] <Matt|> does anyone know a GUI editor for mp3 id3 tags???!?
[07:57] <daniels> the only one I've found in my travels is cantus, which sucks
[07:57] <wannes> Anna: sudo -s gives you a root-shell
[07:58] <Matt|> daniels, does it work? ;)
[07:58] <daniels> Matt|: yes, albeit with a horrific ui
[07:58] <housetier> couldn't the fonts be copied to ~/.fonts/ ?
[07:58] <Anna> Ok wannes, but where can I find a howto regarding sudo?
[07:59] <wannes> Matt|: easytag ?
[07:59] <stvn> Anna: google has a lot if you search for sudo howto
[07:59] <Anna> Is sudo and 'root terminal' actually the same thing?
[07:59] <stvn> Anna: no
[07:59] <Matt|> daniels, not bothered about shine, as long as it works
[07:59] <Matt|> i am using gtkpod atm but it is not very functional
[08:00] <Matt|> i can't edit the track number
[08:00] <bilb0> so theres no su command in ubuntu
[08:00] <Matt|> wannes, is that a good un?
[08:00] <Anna> I thought there might be specific Ubuntu howto's
[08:00] <Matt|> Anna, there is one hang on a sec
[08:00] <maswan> bilb0: there is, but password-based access to root is disabled by default
[08:00] <bilb0> aah
[08:00] <wannes> Anna: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:00] <Anna> no problem
[08:00] <bilb0> i use sudo
[08:00] <Matt|> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:01] <bilb0> just wondering why she couldn't just use su
[08:01] <Matt|> ah yeah wannes is probably more complete
[08:01] <Anna> thanks
[08:01] <Matt|> bilb0, there is no root account by default apparently
[08:01] <Kamion> Anna: root terminal is basically gksudo gnome-terminal
[08:01] <wannes> there is, but it's disabled :p
[08:01] <maswan> Matt|: there is, just no password-based access to it
[08:02] <Matt|> ah i c
[08:02] <maswan> Matt|: so it is sudo instead
[08:02] <bilb0> thats a really nice feature
[08:02] <bilb0> but is sudo based on password
[08:03] <bilb0> or how do u then configure sudo user based privledges
[08:03] <whiprush> bah, the hoary meeting was a few hours ago right?
[08:03] <wannes> it's based on /etc/sudoers, and your _own_ password
[08:03] <stvn> whiprush: still going on
[08:03] <Matt|> still going whiprush
[08:03] <whiprush> k, I'll just snag the log later then
[08:03] <whiprush> thx
[08:03] <bilb0> yeah but by default u can't edit /etc/sudoers without root
[08:03] <Anna> Kamiion:so can run the same commands under gksudo as under sudo?
[08:03] <wannes> man sudoers, if you'd like to edit /etc/soduers, use visudo !!!
[08:03] <wannes> sudo visudo ? :)
[08:04] <bilb0> yeah but u need root do run visudo
[08:04] <maswan> bilb0: the user first created has sudo access to root
[08:04] <bilb0> so they any user can gain root ??
[08:04] <bilb0> ahhh
[08:04] <wannes> nope
[08:04] <bilb0> so u start off with a super user who has sudo
[08:04] <bilb0> then go from there
[08:04] <bilb0> fair enough
[08:05] <Matt|> bilb0, you haven't installed ubuntu?
[08:05] <bilb0> nope
[08:05] <Matt|> get involved! ;p
[08:05] <bilb0> just wondering
[08:05] <bilb0> the live cd is on it's way
[08:05] <bilb0> 60%
[08:05] <Matt|> ;)
[08:05] <bilb0> see what my support will have
[08:05] <Matt|> omg
[08:06] <bilb0> i use debian
[08:06] <Matt|> le-gentil-hobbit, it's official, you have the best nick ever
[08:06] <le-gentil-hobbit> merci bien
[08:06] <Matt|> je t'en pris
[08:06] <stvn> heh
[08:07] <le-gentil-hobbit> yeah im french
[08:07] <Matt|> i mean, i guessed the french which i used
[08:07] <Matt|> does anyone know if there are any good icon packages for ubuntu?
[08:07] <Kirsch> hey guys, i have a bootloader problem with the AMD64 version, have any issues been heard of? (only boots linux, not windows, gives a file system invalid 0x7 error)
[08:08] <Matt|> i hope that they will do lots of work on ubuntu-artwork ;)
[08:08] <Matt|> Kirsch, did you partition the disk with linux?
[08:08] <Kirsch> Matt|: yes
[08:08] <Matt|> there was an issue a while back about disk partitioning under 2.6 kernel
[08:08] <Matt|> i assume it has been solved now
[08:08] <Matt|> but mebbe not
[08:09] <Kirsch> well its a friend, its with the Ubuntu disk partitioning
[08:09] <Kirsch> i'm helping him, and this problem came up
[08:09] <Kirsch> it doesn't make sense.
[08:09] <bob2> did you check the bts?
[08:09] <Matt|> i'm not good enough to help you out with this, but i can only tell you about that issue
[08:09] <bob2> and the list archives?
[08:09] <Matt|> have a browse on the internet
[08:09] <Kirsch> the grub loader is doing: label Windows, root (hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1
[08:09] <Matt|> i know there is a fix
[08:10] <Kirsch> I just did google.
[08:10] <Kirsch> didn't search specfic.
[08:12] <Kirsch> Can someone point me somewhere to search besides google? LOL
[08:12] <stvn> Kirsch: search.msn.com? ;)
[08:12] <Kamion> Kirsch: "only boots Linux, not Windows" -> known, recently fixed in Debian, will be fixed in Hoary
[08:13] <subterrific> Matt|: i'm not sure if it is good, but there is an icon set in the forum
[08:13] <subterrific> Matt|: i think it is called Suade
[08:13] <Matt|> Kirsch, there is a fix i am sure
[08:14] <bohrbug> Will installation of 'gstreamer0.8-mad" give me mp3 support in Ubuntu?
[08:14] <Matt|> subterrific, can i install it with apt?
[08:14] <bob2> bohrbug: yes
[08:14] <spikeb> bohrbug, yes
[08:14] <Matt|> Kirsch, did you resize the ntfs partition?
[08:14] <spikeb> it's installed by default on my cd
[08:14] <spikeb> heh
[08:14] <bohrbug> Goodie :)
[08:14] <subterrific> Matt|: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=467
[08:14] <Matt|> subterrific, ty appreciate it
[08:15] <stvn> subterrific:  http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13430<- that one?
[08:15] <Matt|> subterrific, where should i put em?
[08:15] <Kirsch> it can't...
[08:16] <bob2> spikeb: it won't be
[08:16] <spikeb> of course not.
[08:16] <Kirsch> Matt|: before we formated linux, yes (from Partition Magic 8)
[08:17] <bob2> hey, fix your country and you can have it
[08:17] <Kirsch> our country fixed it hehe
[08:17] <bob2> the US has some of the most draconian laws around
[08:17] <spikeb> or use debian proper, and you can have it. :)
[08:17] <bob2> or did you miss a "non-" in there? :)
[08:18] <Kirsch> haha, the USA can go away, bush.... bah, u've heard it
[08:18] <Kirsch> not goign into it again.
[08:18] <GO_KERRY|Kirsch> lol
[08:18] <malte> glibc on my amd64 is missing some symbols (e.g. GLIBC_2.0, GLIBC_2.1, GLIBC_2.1.3) that i know exist on the x86-version... why's this?
[08:19] <bob2> erm
[08:19] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[08:19] <Matt|> GO_KERRY|Kirsch, have a link for ya
[08:19] <Matt|> GO_KERRY|Kirsch, http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115980
[08:19] <bob2> I'm 99% certain those versions of glibc never existed on amd64
[08:19] <malte> bob2, i'm trying to install autopackage
[08:19] <Matt|> enjoy that
[08:19] <vlado> Good evening
[08:19] <vlado> to all
[08:19] <bob2> malte: you know amd64 is not compatible with i386, right?
[08:19] <vlado> :)
[08:20] <malte> bob2, i thought ubuntu had support for running x86-binaries as well :/
[08:20] <siretart> what is the right way for feature requests for hoary? the bugzilla or email to the list?
[08:20] <bob2> malte: some, but not all
[08:20] <bob2> malte: what do you want to run
[08:20] <spikeb> bah
[08:20] <GO_KERRY|Kirsch> ok, how do u configure XChat to open Firefox?
[08:20] <bob2> siretart: are you planning on implementing them youtself?
[08:20] <GO_JESUS|bipolar> heh
[08:20] <Matt|> lol
[08:20] <GO_KERRY|Kirsch> lol
[08:20] <bob2> GO_KERRY|Kirsch: GO_JESUS|bipolar less...topical nicks would be good, thanks
[08:20] <Matt|> GO_KERRY|Kirsch, just right click on links
[08:20] <spikeb> GO_KERRY|Kirsch, select open in web browser
[08:20] <malte> bob2, as i said, autopackage (http://autopackage.org/)
[08:20] <vlado> Somebody knows how to remove "cross" from mouse arrow, still in the middle of the screen???
[08:21] <Matt|> laters all
[08:21] <bob2> malte: but what do you want to install with it?
[08:21] <bob2> Matt|: please don't use public away in here
[08:21] <siretart> bob2: perhaps, if nobodys else does it.
[08:21] <malte> bob2, i'm trying to get the gtk2 gui working
[08:21] <bob2> vlado: do you have a savage or s3 video card?
[08:21] <Matt|> bob2, just wanted to let GO_KERRY|Kirsch know that I was going away and couldn't help him
[08:21] <bob2> malte: an autopackage gui?
[08:21] <malte> bob2, or rather, autopackage tries to itself
[08:21] <Matt|> bob2, no harm in it
[08:21] <malte> bob2, yeah
[08:22] <bob2> Matt|: the "is away..." thing would be awful annoying if all 250 people used it :-)
[08:22] <Matt|> true
[08:22] <bob2> malte: well, you'll have to find a amd64 port of it
[08:22] <Matt|> i trust them not to
[08:22] <vlado> Yes I do!
[08:22] <vlado> S3 Savage
[08:22] <malte`> hi
[08:22] <Matt|> bob2, is it less irritating if I change my nick?
[08:22] <bob2> Matt|: so you could start by not, thanks :-)
[08:23] <bob2> Matt|: your nick is fine, the "is away..." thing is what I was commenting on
[08:23] <Matt|> no i meant,
[08:23] <bob2> vlado: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002088.html
[08:23] <Matt|> instead of doing a public away, would it irritate less if i was to change my nick to something like Matt|away
[08:23] <vlado> thanks a lot, Matt ;)
[08:23] <Matt|> lol
[08:24] <bob2> Matt|: just saying "I'm going to sleep" or something is fine
[08:24] <Matt|> bob2, ok
[08:24] <Matt|> bob2, can you tell me how come there are no ops in here?
[08:24] <bob2> Matt|: it's just that if everyone had their clients say things whenever they set /away, it'd get awful noisy :)
[08:24] <bob2> Matt|: there are ops in here, they just aren't opped at the moment :-)
[08:24] <Matt|> ah
[08:24] <bob2> we can op if there is a need to
[08:24] <Matt|> hmm
[08:25] <Matt|> confusing ;)
[08:25] <bob2> friendly :-)
[08:25] <stvn> :)
[08:25] <Matt|> erm
[08:25] <Matt|> k
[08:25] <malte> bob2, yeah, thanks for the help though... does ubuntu have support for running 32-bit x11-applications at all? if you are familiar with gentoo for amd64 you might know what i mean
[08:25] <daniels> Matt|: it's done via services, as with most channels; we don't need to always maintain an op
[08:25] <bob2> malte: not without a chroot
[08:26] <Matt|> daniels, ok. i appreciate that it is intended for greater equality, but at the same time I reckon it is slightly confusing
[08:29] <bob2> Matt|: how so?
[08:29] <mirak_-> ops=dev?
[08:30] <daniels> mirak_-: many developers are ops, yah
[08:31] <mirak_-> kk
[08:31] <mirak_-> :)
[08:31] <bob2> malte: support for that is part of a grander project called "multi-arch", which is unfortunately a huge task
[08:32] <mwh_> Hi everybody!
[08:32] <isam> hi
[08:33] <bilb0> okie live cd all downloaded
[08:33] <bilb0> burning now.
[08:33] <mwh_> anyone know if it would be posible to install all the language locales in one go in ubuntu?
[08:33] <bilb0> then i'll have a wee test
[08:33] <bilb0> topyli: aint u rite =)
[08:33] <topyli> damn right i'm right
[08:33] <LinuxJones> topyli, work sucks all the time unless you love your job :D
[08:34] <topyli> LinuxJones: i do love it, i got to choose. but not quite every day :)
[08:34] <Erix> if anyone is interested; http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/25/1634232&tid=163&tid=160&tid=146&tid=11
[08:34] <LinuxJones> topyli, heh
[08:35] <stvn> LinuxJones: did you get around to try to write that notification application?
[08:35] <isam> mwh_, you mean system locales ? or l10ns for applications (firefox, or Openoffice) ?
[08:35] <mwh_> system locales
[08:35] <Erix> or better; http://makeashorterlink.com/?W38C23C99
[08:35] <mwh_> like in fedora I get to choose on install time which languages I want to have available
[08:35] <LinuxJones> stvn, I am too busy atm. But it's something that I will do ya ;)
[08:35] <stvn> LinuxJones: ah ok, good - was just wondering ;)
[08:35] <mwh_> maybe just a graphical way to do it in ubuntu would be okay
[08:35] <bilb0> okie bbl
[08:36] <bilb0> ubuntu time,.
[08:36] <LinuxJones> Time for a snack !!
[08:36] <mwh_> I used dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:36] <isam> mwh_, locale-gen should generate the locales you have set in /etc/locale.gen
[08:38] <mwh_> isam: I would like to have a way to specify the locales during install or afterwards in a nice and graphical way ;) for average-users
[08:38] <mwh_> maybe it comes when ubuntu gets a new installer
[08:39] <Kamion> mwh_: the main problem is that the UI for that would be a bit of a nightmare
[08:40] <Kamion> (try pointing a new user at 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and watch the reaction)
[08:40] <Kamion> mwh_: it's not something that the installer infrastructure makes much difference to
[08:40] <Kamion> although you might be able to make a huge multiselect slightly less scary in gtk than in newt
[08:40] <jono> can I take the .config file from 2.4 and use it with the 2.6 make oldconfig?
[08:41] <bob2> jono: not easily
[08:41] <bob2> jono: why not just use an Ubuntu kernel image?
[08:41] <__daniel> jono, whats wrong with the packaged kernel-image-* ?
[08:41] <Kamion> (linux-image-*)
[08:41] <jono> I am just writing about upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 and I need to cover compiling
[08:41] <mwh_> Kamion: maybe all locales should just be installed and setup, so that it is easy to change language
[08:42] <mwh_> Kamion: I like the fedora installer it allows the user to select which locales the user wants to be able to use
[08:42] <__daniel> jono, well then first encourage your audience to try the packaged kernels :-)
[08:42] <jono> :)
[08:42] <__daniel> mwh_, i think the first question the installer asks is about the preferred locale?
[08:43] <__daniel> mwh_, and more than one locale is not the common default
[08:44] <Kamion> mwh_: consumes shedloads of disk space and takes a long time to do
[08:49] <mwh_> __daniel: yes, thats good
[08:49] <mwh_> __daniel: but what about the others? .. Like I would like to be able to switch to other locales as well
[08:49] <mwh_> __daniel: it should be easy to setup imho, its not like that in ubuntu, I hope it will be
[08:49] <mwh_> Yes it takes a long time, I dont remember it taking up so much space though
[08:49] <mwh_> all the locales' po files seem to be installed by default, just not the localedef
[08:49] <mwh_> anyways I hope a new installer could make up for it
[08:50] <mwh_> or maybe gnome-system-tools will have a dialog to add new languages
[08:50] <__daniel> mwh_, dpkg-reconfigure locales   IS   easy
[08:50] <mwh_> yes but its not nice
[08:50] <spikeb> how come gst isnt installed on warty?
[08:51] <mwh_> for me its ok, but I want to have normal users who do not use the cli to be able to select new languages
[08:51] <LinuxJones> mwh, use Synaptic if you want a pretty gui to reconfigure locales
[08:51] <joem> spikeb, it is
[08:51] <mwh_> spikeb: it is
[08:51] <mwh_> LinuxJones: how does it do it?
[08:51] <__daniel> mwh_, if someone coded a capplet for it, i guess the ubuntu guys would use it in a sec
[08:51] <spikeb> ahhh
[08:52] <skar> hi, i've got an nforce2 mb, how do i view the cpu/mb temperatures?
[08:52] <skar> i've installed lm-sensors
[08:53] <skar> mounted /sys, by inserting i2c_sensor
[08:53] <__daniel> skar, you can use    xsensors   to view it, but i guess you have to configure /etc/sensors.conf first
[08:53] <skar> now, when i type "sensors" it says "No sensors!"
[08:53] <skar> daniel:how do i configure that file?
[08:54] <LinuxJones> mwh, select the installed package then Package >> Configure. You will need to install perl btw
[08:54] <__daniel> LinuxJones, perl should be on every debian/ubuntu system :-)
[08:55] <LinuxJones> __daniel, It is looking for some perl lib can't remember which one :P
[08:55] <__daniel> ah...
[08:55] <mwh_> LinuxJones: I want to just install a new localedef, not new translations
[08:55] <mwh_> LinuxJones: It doesnt seem that synaptic is the right tool
[08:56] <mwh_> LinuxJones: yes the configure option is greyed out
[08:56] <mvo_> mwh_: it does support reconfiguration of package using debconf
[08:56] <mwh_> LinuxJones: libgnome2-perl it is
[08:56] <LinuxJones> mwh, ya I think so. You might have to re-load synaptic
[08:58] <mwh_> basically I just need new localedef's not reconfiguring packages
[09:00] <Kamion> mwh_: some of this kind of thing is on the feature list for Hoary at the moment
[09:00] <mwh_> Kamion: great!
[09:01] <Kamion> mwh_: again, it does *not* require a new installer, and a new installer would not necessarily bring it
[09:05] <skar> is there a gnome lm-sensor panel app?
[09:05] <mwh_> can deborphan be used from synaptic?
[09:06] <mvo_> mwh_: yes, just install it
[09:06] <mwh_> I have it installed
[09:06] <mvo_> then add a filter that filters for "orphaned"
[09:06] <mwh_> ahh
[09:06] <mwh_> aha, thanks
[09:07] <mvo_> mwh_: np :)
[09:09] <malte> bob2, okay... can one look forward to that in later versions of ubuntu?
[09:10] <bob2> multi-arch? yes, but it's a...medium-term goal
[09:10] <malte> bob2, ok :/
[09:11] <bob2> malte: what do you need that isn't available natively for amd64?
[09:11] <malte> bob2, there are no 64-bit binaries for quake3 (iirc) :(
[09:12] <mwh_> any way to uninstall dependencies when uninstalling an app which depended on them and no other app is depending on em?
[09:12] <Despair> bob2: ubuntu's missing libpng, alsa-libs, sdl and openal from it's lib32, which are needed for a lot of commercial games.
[09:12] <mwh_> It can be done with aptitude but can it be done in synaptic as well?
[09:13] <malte> mwh_, take a look at deborphan
[09:13] <bob2> Despair: ok, aside from proprietary software, tho?
[09:13] <mvo_> mwh_: sorry, not yet. it's on my todo list
[09:13] <Despair> (ubuntu's openal is also ancient and very buggy, doing convincing simulation of a blown speaker graunching when the listener is inside the volume of a large/loud sound)
[09:13] <bob2> mwh_: debfoster
[09:13] <__daniel> mwh_, there's a view for orphaned packages
[09:13] <malte> bob2, the firefox-installer doesn't seem to work either :)
[09:13] <bob2> mwh_: if you use aptitude, it does it for you automatically
[09:13] <bob2> malte: amd64 firefox?
[09:14] <__daniel> mwh_, (if you installed deborphan :-))
[09:14] <mwh_> malte: I did
[09:14] <malte> bob2, erm. are there native amd64 firefox binaries? i've only compiled it
[09:14] <Despair> bob2: aside from proprietary or badly-written software, why is there any need for 32bit? :)
[09:14] <malte> mwh_, ok :) wasn't it what you were looking for?
[09:14] <mwh_> __daniel: yes I know, just checked it out
[09:15] <bob2> Despair: heh, basically
[09:15] <bob2> malte: erm, of course.  firefox in ubuntu's amd64 port is native 64-bit.
[09:15] <mwh_> malte: no, what I want is like bob2 said aptitude does, like remove packages when they are not needed anymore
[09:15] <malte> bob2, i want the latest and the greatest ;)
[09:15] <bob2> malte: ok
[09:16] <mwh_> with deborphan and synaptic it seems like can remove libc6-i686, nothing depends on it, but I guess it would not be wise
[09:16] <Despair> Actually, you might be able to find some program that has performance dominated by 64bit pessimizations, and 32bit might be desirable there if it's something critical for you. And it's useful for benchmarking.
[09:16] <mvo_> mwh_: try, you should get a warning if it is critical. but don't press "apply"!
[09:16] <mvo_> (just to be sure)
[09:16] <mwh_> mvo_: no warning
[09:17] <mwh_> mvo_: it does not have any parents
[09:17] <bob2> Despair: multi-arch will handle such edge-cases eventually
[09:17] <joh> hello, can someone help me get NFS to work? When I try to mount the ltsp root I just get Connection refused and nothing appears in the logs ;( I'm running ubuntu (based on debian), with nfs-user-server 2.2beta47-17 installed. I can't even mount the filesystem from the same machine running the nfs server...
[09:18] <tseng> joh: the default portmap listens on localhost only
[09:18] <tseng> joh: see /etc/defaults/portmap
[09:18] <Acridien> hello
[09:18] <__daniel> hai Acridien
[09:19] <Acridien> I changed my name for security reason
[09:19] <Acridien> lol
[09:19] <kurtw> Question.
[09:19] <Acridien> HomoAcridien is opened to all interpretations
[09:19] <kurtw> Just installed Ubuntu and have really benn enjoying it.  First time with a Debian distro.  What and where are the dhcp client commands?
[09:20] <Acridien> ENjoy doom3
[09:20] <bob2> kurtw: do you mean "How do I tell ubuntu to use dhcp to get an ip on eth0?"?
[09:20] <Bohhh> is the devfs problem fixed?
[09:20] <kurtw> bob2: kind of.  I can't find dhcpd or pump to renew my ip addresses.
[09:21] <Bohhh> damn..i can't install neither sarge nor ubuntu
[09:21] <Bohhh> becouse of that
[09:22] <bob2> Bohhh: don't use devfs on either
[09:22] <danielphone> kurtw,    /etc/init.d/networking restart    ?
[09:22] <bob2> kurtw: dhclient
[09:22] <Acridien> nickserv
[09:22] <mwh_> will there be a 1.0 of ubuntu or will the next version come before?
[09:22] <Bohhh> bob2, i cna't disable it. i have already tried
[09:22] <mwh_> argh I mean warty
[09:22] <mwh_> or is that just a beta code name?
[09:22] <bob2> Bohhh: devfs isn't installed by default in ubuntu
[09:22] <Acridien> damn i can't acces nockserv via gai,
[09:22] <Acridien> gaim
[09:22] <__daniel> mwh_, warty is stable
[09:22] <Bohhh> bob2, you have not understood.
[09:23] <bob2> mwh_: warty was the codename of the first release, which came out last week
[09:23] <Acridien> lol
[09:23] <mwh_> oh realy
[09:23] <Bohhh> bob2, i thought i was clear that i am talking about the installation
[09:23] <mwh_> nice
[09:23] <joh> tseng: ah! thank you!
[09:23] <bob2> Bohhh: ubuntu does not use devfs at all
 damn..i can't install neither sarge nor ubuntu
[09:23] <bob2>  05:20 < Bohhh> is the devfs problem fixed?
[09:23] <Bohhh> bob2, the installer
[09:23] <tseng> joh: nps
[09:24] <spiv> bob2: I think it still exists in the installer, actually.
[09:24] <mwh_> I run ubuntu for something like a month anything I should do to upgrade to the final version?
[09:24] <bob2> woah, still?
[09:24] <mwh_> or is that allready done?
[09:24] <Bohhh> yes
[09:24] <Bohhh> dman
[09:24] <mwh_> how can I check
[09:24] <bob2> ok, my mistake, my apologies
[09:24] <Bohhh> !
[09:24] <Bohhh> i am stuck
[09:24] <__daniel> mwh_, upgradein synaptic
[09:24] <Bohhh> i hope at least sarge people will fix this in the next weekly-release
[09:26] <spiv> mwh_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[09:26] <Mayday> anyone know how to get posfix to use my .procmailrc?
[09:26] <mwh_> spiv: thanks
[09:27] <topyli> Mayday: i don't think postfix uses it. procmail hands your mail to postfix after receiving it
[09:27] <wannes> Mayday: dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[09:28] <wannes> maybe add: -plow
[09:28] <lamont> Mayday: mailbox_command
[09:28] <wannes> and then debconf should ask you a quetion about procmail ...
[09:28] <lamont> I think dpkg-reconfigure -plow postfix will get you there.
[09:29] <mwh_> spiv: hope it will be easier to upgrade to the next version
[09:30] <mwh_> I realise I must be running WartyWarthog
[09:31] <mwh_> any where I can check which version im running? like /etc/version or something
[09:32] <Mayday> thanks, dpkg-reconfigure postfix did it ( i guess i should have tried it before asking :)
[09:38] <ribo> hi, is there a way to get a list of all installed packages?
[09:39] <bob2> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep \^ii
[09:39] <ribo> ah, thanks
[09:48] <bern> does anyone know how to set an Orinoco Classic Gold card to monitor mode
[09:50] <bob2> bern: kismet?
[09:50] <bern> yeah
[09:51] <bern> bob2: wait no i'm sorry airsnort
[09:51] <bob2> same diff
[09:51] <bern> bob2: i haven't even tried getting kismet to work yet
[09:52] <Emann> Hello
[09:52] <malte> hi asl ??
[09:53] <Pizbit> Hey
[09:53] <bern> hey
[09:53] <stvn> yeah
[09:53] <bern> hey any of you know how to get monitor mode working for airsnort or kismet?
[09:54] <bob2> bern: erm, don't you just run it?
[09:54] <malte> bern, there's nothing to it :) just make sure you configure kismet properly
[09:54] <malte> as described in the documentation on the website
[09:54] <bern> i'm not using kismet
[09:54] <bern> using airsnort
[09:54] <bern> kismet is next
[09:55] <bern> it says could not set card to monitor mode
[09:55] <Emann> Hmm, I was wondering if anyone of you have any idea why my soundcard ain't working ?? I am what you would call a real newbie.. so i dont really know anything about linux
[09:55] <malte> perhaps airsnort doesn't support your card
[09:55] <Emann> All that i know is that my Soundcard have always worked in Fedora...
[09:55] <mirak_-> emann, did it work at all in ubuntu?
[09:55] <malte> Emann, what soundcard do you have?
[09:56] <Emann> It haven't worked.. I'm on an Dell Inspiron 8600
[09:57] <stvn> Emann: does lsmod | grep snd produce anything?
[09:57] <Emann> 2 sec
[09:57] <WW> Emann: There is a note about the Inspiron 8600 here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport_2fMachines_2fLaptops#head-e73a719286c573a494723e36cea92fa0e22ef333
[09:58] <Emann> ahh cool :)
[09:59] <Emann> Then they just updated it.. ... I think
[09:59] <Emann> anyways, I'll try.... else you'll hear from me soon :)
[09:59] <stvn> k
[09:59] <WW> (That wiki sure generates some funky web addresses!)
[09:59] <stvn> indeed
[10:00] <Yannick_> how many CDs are there in release 4.10 of ubuntu?
[10:00] <mirak_-> lol
[10:00] <mirak_-> 1
[10:00] <Yannick_> only one? ;-)
[10:00] <Yannick_> ok
[10:00] <mirak_-> yup yup
[10:01] <bob2> Yannick_: more software is available online
[10:01] <mirak_-> yeah....tons
[10:01] <ATJ> How should I search and install that "online software"
[10:02] <Yannick_> is there everything one would need to start using it, or do we have to download a lot from the net to get a sweet system running?
[10:02] <ATJ> For example, I would like to have KDE
[10:02] <bob2> Yannick_: the cd includes everything needed for a server or desktop
[10:02] <stvn> ATJ: synaptic
[10:02] <bob2> ATJ: read the SynapticHowto page on the wiki
[10:02] <Yannick_> thanks bob2
[10:02] <mirak_-> atj, sudo apt-get install kde
[10:02] <bob2> Yannick_: basic server or desktop, of course :-)
[10:02] <ATJ> Mmkay :)
[10:03] <bob2> note that kde is not supported
[10:03] <bob2> but should work
[10:03] <merriam> ATJ: your name looks finnish...
[10:03] <Yannick_> I'll ask for a free cd anyway... it will be precious as time will go by, first release CDs...;-)
[10:03] <merriam> don't all young finns know this stuff by now? :)
[10:03] <Emann> just wondering... what will happen if i fuck up that... grub-thingie.. ??
[10:04] <mirak_-> emann, cant boot
[10:04] <Emann> brilliant.. well,.... I'll give it a try :P
[10:04] <stvn> heh
[10:04] <ATJ> merriam: heh. ;) I am finnish, true, but I haven't used any Debian-based system before. :)
[10:04] <mirak_-> brilliant he says
[10:04] <mirak_-> haha
[10:10] <jkka> just came home from installing my little sisters laptop..ubuntu it is! She was quite exited after using crappy XP ;)
[10:10] <stvn> :)
[10:11] <jkka> itll be interesting to see what problems she might encounter
[10:12] <stvn> jkka: none obviously ;)
[10:12] <jkka> hehe :)
[10:12] <jkka> itll be the day i lose my job ;)
[10:12] <stvn> hehe
[10:12] <jkka> hopefully everyone keeps on using MS!
[10:14] <jkka> well, actually i have a feeling that when it will be thetime to make decision between microsofts next one (longhorn) or maybe using this "linux-thingie", many will make the switch
[10:15] <stvn> jkka: hopefully
[10:15] <jkka> ive tested ubuntu now on 3 comps
[10:16] <jkka> and it feels very promising
[10:16] <LinuxJones> jkka, they will probably want $500 dollars/copy
[10:16] <stvn> so far I've installed it on one and upgrade 3 from debian-sarge without too much trouble
[10:16] <ATJ> Umm.. Wiki says that there are some "Smart update" button in Synaptic, but I cannot find it. Where it should be? :o
[10:16] <excaliber> Hi all
[10:16] <mirak_-> atj, after you hit apply...you ge that option
[10:17] <mvo__> ATJ: click on upgrade
[10:17] <oddabe19> ATJ, it's when you click Upgrade then apply
[10:17] <oddabe19> lol, beaten
[10:17] <jkka> badly ;)
[10:17] <LinuxJones> ATJ, under preferences
[10:18] <ATJ> Ah, okay. :)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> ATJ, under Settings >> Preferences
[10:18] <LinuxJones> actually
[10:18] <LinuxJones> :P
[10:18] <jkka> anyone who is using spdif output + alsa, and would be willing to advice me how i could change the spdif as the "default" output
[10:18] <jkka> or is it possible
[10:19] <jkka> in xmms it can be manually changed
[10:19] <jkka> but other programs i have yet not managed to do it
[10:20] <ATJ> Is that same as that smart upgrade? I don't know about these words, are there difference between update and upgrade? ;)
[10:20] <jkka> yes
[10:20] <jkka> update refreshs your "sources"
[10:20] <jkka> upgrade updates your programs
[10:21] <ATJ> ok. :)
[10:22] <tripled_d> hi all:D
[10:22] <outcast_> anyone knows how to install the Nvidia GFX driver in the 686 version of the kernel?
[10:23] <tripled_d> i just finish indtalling warty
[10:23] <tripled_d> one that confiuse : thare's no root pass set on installing step!
[10:24] <tripled_d> is that right?
[10:24] <khronic> yup
[10:24] <khronic> no root fo j00!
[10:24] <tripled_d> so ..
[10:24] <khronic> sudo
[10:25] <L|nu}{> or... sudo passwd    to create superuser account
[10:25] <tripled_d> what 's the default root pass
[10:25] <khronic> right
[10:25] <jkka> there is no root
[10:25] <jkka> use sudo
[10:25] <L|nu}{> default sudo passwd = your useraccount password
[10:25] <jkka> and its passwd is same as yours
[10:25] <stvn> outcast_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:25] <jkka> or the account first created
[10:25] <tripled_d> ooo
[10:26] <tripled_d> ok
[10:26] <jkka> sudo su -
[10:26] <jkka> and youre "root"
[10:26] <Sensebend> isn't it sudo -s
[10:26] <Sensebend> to get a root shell?
[10:26] <jkka> try
[10:26] <jkka> :)
[10:27] <Sensebend> grr anyway to uncripple the webadmistration interface to CUPs?
[10:27] <outcast_> stvn: that link is for the default kernel version (386). None of this seems to work with the 686 version of the kernel
[10:27] <stvn> outcast_: it should
[10:28] <tripled_d> where's another ubuntu packages repositories?
[10:28] <FLeiXiuS> Is there a way to see a list of modules / descriptions currently loaded
[10:28] <bob2> tripled_d: why?
[10:28] <stvn> outcast_: what is the error?
[10:28] <outcast_> stvn: when it begins to load X, there is an NVIDIA error
[10:29] <Seveas> can someone explain why i have to mknod fd0 myself, why isn't it there when i install ubuntu..?
[10:29] <tripled_d> i think maybe someone has build add packeges:)
[10:29] <bob2> tripled_d: packages of what?
[10:30] <Sensebend> outcast_, could you be more specific
[10:30] <Seveas> FLeiXiuS: lsmod
[10:30] <tripled_d> i didn't find fav pack on that
[10:30] <tripled_d> or could i some debian repository?
[10:30] <bob2> tripled_d: what package are you looking for?
[10:31] <tripled_d> like xmms,xine etc..
[10:31] <bob2> tripled_d: they're all in universe
[10:31] <bob2> tripled_d: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:31] <ATJ> My friend got this error under installion, what could be problem.. : "file:///cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz read error 5"
[10:31] <bob2> the disk is probably corrupt
[10:32] <ATJ> cd passes media-test, and that file works under suse, he tried
[10:32] <L|nu}{> Has anybody her set up Dual Screen with NVIDIA drivers in Ubuntu?
[10:34] <Anna> I've searched for this, but can't find it: How do I move a folder from A to B in the root terminal or with sudo?
[10:34] <tripled_d> wow Synaptic.. it's cool :)
[10:35] <smo> L|nu}{: Yup, but I just copied my xconfig from my last install, so I don't recall how involved it was
[10:35] <bipolar> Anna: you can always get a root terminal by running sudo /bin/sh in a term.
[10:35] <mrjive> Anna, do you mean a folder contained in A be moved into B or just rename A to B?
[10:35] <helix> Anna: 'mv A B' ?
[10:35] <L|nu}{> smo: hehe.. ok..
[10:36] <Matt|> Anna, in order to move a folder you need the command "mv" with the -R flag
[10:36] <Anna> no, I want to move my "emailfonts" folder into the 'truetype" folder (under fonts)
[10:37] <Matt|> so the command would be "mv -R A B"
[10:37] <Matt|> A being the source directory and B being the destination directory
[10:37] <Matt|> you are a bit confused about what sudo is i think
[10:37] <Anna> Ok, but isn't there a sign or letter in between source and destination
[10:37] <Matt|> Anna, nope
[10:37] <bob2> Matt|: you don't need -R
[10:38] <Matt|> oh
[10:38] <bob2> Anna: sudo mv /path/to/emailfonts /path/to/fonts/truetype/
[10:38] <Anna> Aha!
[10:38] <bob2> mv is always recursive
[10:38] <Matt|> meh
[10:38] <bob2> bipolar: "sudo -s"
[10:39] <nosilver4u> any ideas on how to get cgi scripts enabled under apache?
[10:39] <bipolar> bob2: yeah.. that too :p
[10:39] <bob2> nosilver4u: they're enabled by default, aren't they?
[10:40] <nosilver4u> nevermind, i got it
[10:41] <nosilver4u> and no, they shouldn't be
[10:41] <Anna> No, I was thinking I can either use a normal terminal with the sudo addition to move a folder that must have root rights to be accessed, changed, or just use the root terminal and don't have to use sudo... Anyway, I wonder why I wasn't able to find such an easy Unix command... I got to the "mv" part, but the confusion persisted as the path thing wasn't explained
[10:41] <khronic> this apache2 config is wacky
[10:42] <spiv> Anna: yeah, the man page for mv is rather terse.
[10:42] <Matt|> Anna, sounds like you've got there :)
[10:43] <aLi`> hi. ive new installed ubuntu. and like it tooo much..
[10:43] <aLi`> but id a problem
[10:43] <aLi`> whatis root password :) lol.. it didnt askme on installation
[10:43] <isam> I remember there is a way to set priorities in APT .. I want to define different sources with different priorities
[10:44] <aLi`> ?
[10:44] <smo> isam: google for "apt pinning" .. I know you can, and I know that's what they call it .. I don't know much more than that tho
[10:44] <mp_> root account is disabled by default
[10:44] <isam> smo: thanks
[10:45] <outcast_> aLi there is no root password.. use "sudo su" and then your standard account password if you want to become root
[10:45] <khronic> Away: ( @ the store ) | Since: ( Mon Oct 25 13:45:28 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[10:45] <khronic> oops
[10:45] <khronic> sorry
[10:45] <khronic>  /unload xlack :)
[10:45] <aLi`> outcast_, thanks
[10:46] <outcast_> anyone knows an IRC client for ubuntu that can be docked in the tray?
[10:46] <Despair> Ugh, nonclickable url in firefox again. I'd managed to forget how buggy 0.9.3 is. :/
[10:46] <jind> What tray? kde tray, gnome tray, windowmaker tray?
[10:46] <Matt|> outcast_, xchat has a systray plugin
[10:46] <outcast_> since im talking about ubuntu... gnome tray :P
[10:46] <khronic> Despair: firefox has been driving me mad lately :|
[10:47] <Matt|> outcast_, i haven't found it in the ubuntu packages yet :(
[10:47] <jind> I run kde 3.2.3 and ubuntu :)
[10:47] <outcast_> I preffer "Yoper" for KDE 1 cd distro
[10:47] <khronic> however I never ran into these firefox snags under my old redhat 9 install
[10:47] <bob2> Despair: 0.10 was buggier, sadly
[10:48] <Despair> bob2: Not in my experience.
[10:48] <bob2> Despair: it is in mine.
[10:48] <Despair> Different usage patterns expose different issues, whee!
[10:48] <bob2> Despair: 0.9.3 doesn't segfault when I click on some links, for example.
[10:48] <Matt|> anyone got the systray plugin for xchat working with ubuntu??
[10:48] <bob2> Despair: heh, of course
[10:48] <Despair> heh, I've had more problems with 0.9.3 crashing on some links.
[10:50] <aLi`> thanks for ubuntu developerrss tooooo much.. i like it lol :)
[10:50] <outcast_> anyone has got the Nvidia GFX drivers working with the 686 version of the kernel, through apt-get/synaptic?
[10:51] <aTypical> What does ubuntu use for a CD burning app?
[10:51] <outcast_> Nautilus itself I think
[10:51] <aLi`> nautilus-cdwriter outcast_
[10:52] <outcast_> yeah
[10:52] <aTypical> How about for making discs with .iso images?
[10:52] <aTypical> Oh.
[10:52] <Matt|> aTypical, I like xcdroast for cd burning
[10:52] <Matt|> is very good
[10:52] <__daniel> aTypical, cdrecord is quite cool for .iso s :-)
[10:53] <aTypical> Matt|, yeah that's a pretty good one.  I forgot about it.
[10:53] <bob2> aTypical: righ-click, select "write".
[10:53] <aTypical> __daniel, isn't that a CLI app?
[10:53] <Hikaru79> Is "warty-rc2-live-i386.iso" the correct ISO to download for a LiveCD?
[10:53] <aTypical> bob2, from Nautilus?
[10:53] <tkz> How's DVD and DVD-rw burning in ubuntu? Does it work out-of-box?
[10:54] <aTypical> Hikaru79, yes.  I just downloaded it. :)
[10:54] <Hikaru79> Thanks, aTypical :)
[10:54] <__daniel> tkz, dvd-burning is cool, didnt burn a dvd-rw yet
[10:54] <Hikaru79> I wanna try it before I install it permenantly
[10:54] <Hikaru79> Because my previous Debian installation had some major problems with my video card drivers
[10:54] <Hikaru79> Couldn't go above 800x600 resolution :(
[10:54] <__daniel> aTypical, yes... it is, but quite simple   cdrecord bla.iso   , isnt it?
[10:54] <Hikaru79> Since Ubuntu is debian-based I'm afraid of having the same issue ^ ^:;
[10:54] <bob2> aTypical: yes
[10:55] <tkz> I'm going to try the live-cd too. I'm running mandrake now and everything seems to work so don't want to take a blind jump to a new system
[10:55] <Anna> Great, it worked, the folder emailfonts is now in under the folder truetype. And the new set of fonts (I found some pretty fonts on the SuSE live CD, like suse serif) became available immediately. Not in firefox yet, but I guess I have to restart it before it can list them.
[10:57] <Acridien> ubuntu kernel supporting FATX ?
[10:57] <Acridien> partitionning
[10:58] <__daniel> Acridien, fatx?
[10:58] <Acridien> Anna: hey hello let me cover yourself with my body before you inflame
[10:58] <aLi`> can i use debian sources.list for ubuntu ?
[10:58] <Acridien> :-D
[10:58] <__daniel> Acridien, fat32 and fat16 work fine
[10:58] <buffalo> I thought I had final release based on md5sum of the iso image, but DISKNAME of my CD is --   Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview i386 Binary-1, so which do i have final or preview??
[10:59] <bob2> aLi`: you can, but why would you?
[10:59] <bob2> aLi`: you're own your own if you try....
[10:59] <aLi`> ok3 bub
[10:59] <bob2> buffalo: known issue, base your decision on the filename
[11:00] <buffalo> bob2: okay, so I'll redownload and hope to get the final this time
[11:00] <bob2> buffalo: huh?
[11:00] <bob2> buffalo: if you downloaed one names -release-, it's the release iso
[11:01] <aLi`> what is the difference between "warty universe" and " warty-security main restricted"
[11:01] <buffalo> bob2: oh, i thought you meant base it on the DISKNAME (as opposed to the md5sum)
[11:01] <bob2> buffalo: no
[11:01] <bob2> aLi`: universe contains unsupported packages from debian unstable
[11:01] <bob2> aLi`: main and restricted are supported
[11:02] <buffalo> bob2: nevermind then, thanks, i have the "release"
[11:02] <aLi`> bob2, universe means up to date ? right ?
[11:02] <Anna> Speaking of SuSE, I tried the preview Live version of 9.2 with KDE 3.3 and luckily (even though I'm just starting) I have entangled myself enough with Ubuntu so I have learned to appreciate the power of Debian, because the luscious, creamy, rich GUI sure is tempting. Is there a particular reason why Ubuntu is fixed on Gnome?
[11:02] <bob2> aLi`: no
[11:03] <bob2> buffalo: cool
[11:03] <bob2> Anna: among other things, gnome has a stable release process
[11:03] <bob2> aLi`: universe was frozen in june, it will be updated again soon
[11:04] <Anna> Aha! This might explain why KDE was crashing right out of the box;-)
[11:04] <tkz> Hmm... my KDE's running fine. No crashes with mandrake 10
[11:04] <Anna> And Open Office also didn't even start
[11:05] <ploum> Hello
[11:05] <ploum> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fSupportedSeed
[11:05] <aLi`> bob2, will "main restricted " be enough for me now for apt-update?
[11:05] <ploum> I suggest liferea as a RSS reader
[11:05] <bob2> aLi`: for a desktop? yes.
[11:05] <Anna> TKZ: I guess it really depends how the packages are put together
[11:05] <aLi`> thanks bob2
[11:05] <Kamion> Bohhh: I can assure you with 100% confidence that devfs is not responsible for your installation problems.
[11:05] <bob2> ploum: you can add it there.
[11:06] <Kamion> buffalo: yeah, sorry about the Preview thing, in all the last-minute release stuff we forgot to change that
[11:06] <ploum> bob2, no, I cannot edit the wiki
[11:06] <Hikaru79> Is WINE included in the Ubuntu install?
[11:07] <Kamion> ploum: you haven't logged in then
[11:07] <spiv> ploum: Just create an account, and you can edit any page.
[11:07] <bash_> Hikaru79,
[11:07] <bash_> nop
[11:07] <tkz> Anna: well, I guess there has to be something wrong if it crashes constantly. I've used KDE on fedora and gentoo also and it worked fine on those too
[11:07] <Hikaru79> No? :(
[11:07] <buffalo> Kamion: np! it's a great release.
[11:07] <spiv> ploum: (this is mentioned on the front page of the wiki)
[11:07] <bob2> Hikaru79: you can install it
[11:07] <bash_> but ,
[11:08] <bash_> get in the repositoried ..
[11:08] <ploum> Kamion, spiv : oups, yes, I wasn't logged. But this is because most of page cannot be edited..
[11:08] <ploum> sorry
[11:09] <buffalo> does anyone know how to customize which packages get installed with ubuntu? i tried both custom (which just does minimal) and expert (which just gives you a menu). i know what's included is already minimal, but there are some things I want to leave out.
[11:09] <bash_> Hikaru79,
[11:09] <bob2> buffalo: the base you get with expert isn't minimal enough?
[11:09] <Kamion> bob2: s/expert/custom/ please
[11:09] <Kamion> buffalo: .disk/base_exclude if you're remastering the CD
[11:09] <bob2> hm, oops, sorry.
[11:09] <Hikaru79> Yes, bash?
[11:10] <buffalo> bob2: what i meant was, i do want office/firefox, just not gaim (as an example)
[11:10] <bash_> apt-get ...
[11:10] <bash_> the wine..
[11:10] <Hikaru79> For wine?
[11:10] <Hikaru79> Ah
[11:10] <Hikaru79> Yeah
[11:10] <bob2> buffalo: the custom install doesn't include gaim
[11:10] <Hikaru79> Will do
[11:10] <bash_> in your ubuntu
[11:10] <bob2> buffalo: and you can remove gaim from the default install if you like, too
[11:10] <bash_> or, compiled...
[11:10] <bash_> :P
[11:10] <buffalo> bob2: right, but it doesn't include office/firefox or even gnome either
[11:10] <Despair> Odd. I've got a bunch of bitmap fonts installed, but they don't show up in font dialogs.
[11:11] <bob2> buffalo: er, so what do you want? you can build up from custom or build down from desktop.
[11:11] <buffalo> bob2: how do i remove gaim (and other stuff) from the default install. is that the .disk/base_exclude that Kamion is referring to?
[11:11] <bob2> Despair: /etc/fonts/local.conf, I don't know if fontconfig uses bitmap fonts by default
[11:11] <Bohhh> Kamion, hmm
[11:11] <bob2> buffalo: use aptitude or synaptic or apt-get
[11:12] <Bohhh> Kamion, the console didn't find the file under dev
[11:12] <bash_> I cant use the repositoried of debian unstable in my ubuntu ?
[11:12] <Hikaru79> Isn't apt-get = aptitude?
[11:12] <Bohhh> Kamion, the console said the installer didn't find the file under dev
[11:12] <Despair> bob2: these were installed with synaptic
[11:12] <bob2> Hikaru79: no
[11:12] <whiprush> anyone snag a log of the hoary meeting this afternoon?
[11:12] <tkz> Oh, I have a radeon 9800 graphics card... should I expect to encounter problems with that when installing ubuntu?
[11:12] <Hikaru79> Oh :o
[11:12] <Kamion> Bohhh: that's not devfs' fault. Exactly what is the error message?
[11:12] <bob2> Hikaru79: they're different package management tools which both use libapt
[11:12] <buffalo> bob2: ok, i think I get what you mean now (build up from custom or build down from desktop). thanks again
[11:12] <Hikaru79> I always assumed "apt" stood for "aptitude" ^ ^;;
[11:12] <bob2> whiprush: it went for over 4.5 hours
[11:12] <Hikaru79> I learned something else new today :)
[11:12] <bob2> buffalo: np
[11:13] <Kamion> Hikaru79: Advanced Package Tool
[11:13] <whiprush> yeesh
[11:13] <bob2> buffalo: you've not used a Debian-based distro before?
[11:13] <Hikaru79> Ah
[11:13] <bash_> Hikaru79, you speak spanish ?
[11:13] <bob2> whiprush: you totally don't want to read it all :)
[11:13] <whiprush> hah, I thought I'd scan it
[11:14] <whiprush> anything notable?
[11:14] <Hikaru79> bash, no :(
[11:14] <Hikaru79> Romanian
[11:14] <Hikaru79> Why?
[11:15] <Bohhh> Kamion, /dev/something/something/something/ No such file or directory in the console. and on the other side the installer said "failed to mount /dev/hda5"
[11:15] <bash_> to explain much better..
[11:15] <Kamion> Bohhh: sorry but I'm going to need the exact text of the message and what you were doing at the time
[11:15] <bash_> in order to use apt-get
[11:15] <bob2> whiprush: I forgot to log it, sadly, but a summary will be prepared
[11:15] <buffalo> bob2: no, but i have heard of apt, so i just have to learn it now
[11:15] <Bohhh> Kamion, how can i give the correct text, if it can't be even installed?
[11:15] <whiprush> ah ok, I'll just wait, thanks bob2
[11:16] <Kamion> Bohhh: it's only going to be a couple of lines, right? You can write it down
[11:16] <Acridien> FATX for Xbox filesystem
[11:16] <Acridien> :-)
[11:16] <Bohhh> Kamion, what did i do?
[11:16] <Kamion> Bohhh: you tell me
[11:16] <bob2> buffalo: ah, right
[11:16] <Bohhh> Kamion, what did i do right now? i just wrote those "couples of lines"
[11:16] <Kamion> Bohhh: "/dev/something/something/something/ No such file or directory"
[11:17] <Kamion> I'll bet you a million pounds it didn't say exactly that.
[11:17] <Bohhh> yes, replace "something" with the path to /dev/hda5 (extended partition) in a serious system
[11:17] <Kamion> Bohhh: plus, I still need to know exactly what you were doing at the time ...
[11:18] <Bohhh> Kamion, i was using the installer, as i said, i was in the process of formatting the partition. it failed on the first access to dev/hda5
[11:18] <Kamion> also please read http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html, it's a good essay
[11:19] <buffalo> Kamion: just to clarify: in .disk/base_exclude, i just write out the package name, one per line, of the ones I want to exclude? e.g.: gaim\n  gnomemeeting\n   (etc)?
[11:19] <Bohhh> The requested URL /~sgtatham/bugs.html, was not found on this server.
[11:19] <Kamion> buffalo: yes
[11:19] <buffalo> Kamion: then I re-burn a CD with that file .base_exclude
[11:19] <Kamion> Bohhh: works for me
[11:20] <Kamion> buffalo: this only works for packages in the base system
[11:20] <Kamion> buffalo: that does not include gaim and gnomemeeting ...
[11:20] <Kamion> buffalo: if you just want to install a custom desktop for yourself, remastering the CD is total overkill; just install custom and then install whatever you want with aptitude
[11:21] <Kamion> buffalo: or even do a default install and remove whatever you want to remove afterwards; there's no law that says you can't remove packages :-)
[11:22] <buffalo> Kamion: ok, got it, thanks (bob2 said the same thing) -- i was only interested in the CD remastering cuz I will be installing on multiple computers (it's a lab for high school girls)
[11:23] <Kamion> buffalo: ok, removing individual packages from the desktop is kind of difficult at the moment
[11:23] <Kamion> buffalo: you can do it by editing Packages files and removing some "Task: ubuntu-desktop" lines, but you have to be careful and you'll have to remember to update dists/warty/Release
[11:23] <siimo> how long as ubuntu existed? this place has already overtaken #fedora :)
[11:23] <Kamion> buffalo: it's kind of an expert thing at the moment I'm afraid
[11:24] <bob2> siimo: the first release came out 5 days ago
[11:24] <siimo> well almost
[11:24] <buffalo> Kamion: np, for now, i don't mind installing full, and just manually removing the 5 or so packages i don't want from each pc
[11:24] <Kamion> siimo: we kicked off the project in April, released preview in September, released final in October
[11:24] <liten> and its still not stable :P
[11:24] <siimo> thats a lot of community in short period
[11:24] <bob2> buffalo: fwiw, "dsh" + "apt-get remove gaim gnomemeeting..." can make that easier
[11:25] <Kamion> liten: yes it is
[11:25] <georgia> liten: in my experience its pretty damn stable, moreso than macosX
[11:25] <georgia> though i still need osx for some things
[11:25] <liten> my machine with ubuntu locks up totally every time it tried to cpufreq while the atheros is active
[11:26] <bob2> liten: did you reoprt a bug?
[11:26] <Kamion> liten: hope you've filed a bug :-)
[11:26] <liten> bob2: i am trying to figure out WHAT is the bug yet, because there is no trace of anything in any logs
[11:26] <ogra> liten: other disrtros don't ?
[11:26] <buffalo> bob2: thanks
[11:26] <liten> ogra: no
[11:27] <aLi`> how can i play mp3 files?
[11:27] <ogra> __daniel: hi
[11:27] <GotD0t-class> xmms
[11:27] <__daniel> hai ogra!
[11:27] <cardador> aLi`: install gstreamer-mad
[11:27] <Acridien> Firefox crashes everytime i begin ftp transfer
[11:27] <Acridien> ??
[11:27] <Acridien> Help
[11:27] <aLi`> i didnt find xmm in apt-cache
[11:27] <cardador> Acridien: use nautilus for it
[11:28] <Acridien> cardador: what's wrong with firefox?
[11:28] <bob2> aLi`: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:28] <cardador> Acridien: dont know, but i use nautilus and it works fine
[11:28] <GotD0t> aLi do sudo apt-get update
[11:28] <GotD0t> then search
[11:28] <bob2> aLi`: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:28] <aLi`> GotD0t, i did it.. bob2 ok iam looking
[11:29] <ogra> *g*
[11:29] <GotD0t> ooh, my wired came in today
[11:30] <GotD0t> haha free music
[11:30] <ogra> there is a #ubuntu-de ?
[11:31] <liten> __daniel: http://sourceforge.net/projects/erwin/
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> i'm shooting in the dark here :)
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> the only distros i've used recently are Gentoo, Debian,  . . . uhh.  Yeah.
[11:33] <ogra> bluefoxicy: so youre prepared perfectly ;)
[11:33] <Kamion> Bohhh: I can't find any string like "failed to mount" anywhere relevant in d-i, so I need to know exactly what action you had just performed in the interface; for instance, the item you just selected from the menu would help
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  I plan on rocking the boat a bit, but I haven't even seen the boat :)
[11:34] <Bohhh> Kamion, i repeat
[11:34] <ogra> bluefoxicy: it's worth to be seen ;)
[11:34] <ogra> everywhere
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> :p
[11:35] <Bohhh> Kamion, the first access before "formatting" is to mount the device. right? the installer failed there
[11:35] <ogra> bluefoxicy: no i'm german *g*
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  ah, crap, I don't speak german.
[11:35] <Bohhh> Kamion, i will retry in few minutes, if you want
[11:35] <Kamion> Bohhh: um, no, the first access before formatting is typically not to mount the device, because the device will typically not be mountable
[11:35] <Kamion> Bohhh: if it produces a clearer bug report, yes :)
[11:36] <ogra> bluefoxicy: just kidding, in fact it's enough to cope with this channel ;)
[11:36] <Kamion> the partitioner only attempts to mount partitions after it's finished formatting any that need to be formatted
[11:37] <Bohhh> Kamion, it was "mounting" since i already formatted the partition by myself , since the installer failed many times before the last attempt
[11:37] <Kamion> the plot thickens
[11:37] <Kamion> so it wasn't formatting after all, even though you said it was?
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  heh.
[11:37] <Kamion> "as i said, i was in the process of formatting the partition"
[11:37] <Bohhh> i said "formatting" with "", since that is the massage from the installer
[11:38] <Kamion> Bohhh: you mean "Partitions formatting"?
[11:38] <Bohhh> yes
[11:39] <Bohhh> what the hell i don't have every characters printed in my mind :))
[11:39] <Kamion> you had them well enough printed to be absolutely certain that the fault was down to devfs
[11:39] <Bohhh> Kamion, i'll retry anche check better
[11:40] <Bohhh> Kamion, oh wait a moment!
[11:40] <Bohhh> Kamion, i remember i accessed the second console, which gave me mkreiserfs and it failed
[11:40] <Kamion> you mean you used the mkreiserfs command?
[11:41] <Bohhh> yes, i tried to make the fs from the installer before doing by myself from here
[11:41] <Kamion> how did it fail, then?
[11:41] <Bohhh> No such file
[11:41] <Bohhh> but i am not completely sure
[11:41] <Kamion> Bohhh: with what command? if you used /dev/hda5 or whatever, that file indeed does not exist in the installer environment
[11:41] <Kamion> you have to use /dev/discs/<whatever>
[11:41] <Bohhh> i tried both /dev/hda5 and the name the installer failed to  access
[11:41] <Kamion> use ls, look in /dev/discs to see what's there
[11:42] <Bohhh> ok. i'll repeat everything
[11:42] <Kamion> thank you
[11:43] <Bohhh> ok, first step: i mkreiserfs'ed /dev/hda5 just fine from here now
[11:43] <Bohhh> so table is ok
[11:43] <Bohhh> i'll reboot in few minutes
[11:43] <Kamion> please try and write down exactly what you see; I'm trying to match whatever you're saying up against the source code, and it really helps a lot if the text is transcribed exactly
[11:44] <Kamion> much easier to search for that way
[11:45] <cardador> anyone know when can we change our repositories from warty to hoary?
[11:45] <bob2> cardador: not yet
[11:45] <bob2> cardador: and hoary will be very very broken for a while
[11:46] <Despair> bob2: what do you expect to be smashed?
[11:46] <bob2> all of it.
[11:46] <sabdfl> cardador: you won't want hoary for a while it is going to experience pain on a spectacular scale as x.org and other big chunks go in
[11:47] <sabdfl> except maybe for your "hurt me plenty" box
[11:47] <kurtw> I can't wait for x.org support!
[11:48] <ogra> cardador: it's 5 days after release....let the guys get some sleep....
[11:48] <Despair> developers don't sleep, they're too caffeinated.
[11:51] <cardador> ogra: i was just asking :)
[11:53] <ogra> cardador: they'll shout very loud if it's available for testing... :)
[11:53] <Gunnzi> Does anybody know when the pressed cd's will ship?
[11:55] <Hikaru79> Yay :)
[11:55] <Hikaru79> Running from ubuntu livecd
[11:55] <bob2> Gunnzi: /topic
[11:55] <Gunnzi> ok, thx
[11:56] <Hikaru79> OK, so if I'm having no display problems using the LiveCD then there's a good chance I won't have any if I actually install it, right?
[11:56] <Kamion> (the apostrophe looked painful)
[11:57] <Hikaru79> LOL
[11:57] <Kamion> hmm
[11:57] <Hikaru79> So anyone can change the topic?
[11:57] <Hikaru79> OK, so if I'm having no display problems using the LiveCD then there's a good chance I won't have any if I actually install it, right?
[11:57] <bob2> Kamion: hrm, good point, I should just avoid apostrophe's completely
[11:57] <Kamion> bob2: *slap*
[11:58] <Hikaru79> o_O;
[11:58] <Kamion> Hikaru79: hardware detection in general isn't yet unified between the live and install CDs
[11:58] <Hikaru79> Oh...
[11:58] <Hikaru79> =S
[11:58] <Hikaru79> So there's no guarantee that the install CD will work well?
[11:58] <ogra> Hikaru79: its pretty likely
[11:58] <Kamion> Hikaru79: no, but the fact that the live CD works easily is a good sign
[11:58] <Hikaru79> Hmm, OK
[11:58] <ogra> working well i mean
[11:58] <Kamion> Hikaru79: the live CD's had less work put into it
[11:59] <Hikaru79> I have Nvidia Geforce 2 mx ... will that be a problem for Ubuntu? It sure was for Debian :(
[11:59] <whiprush> Hikaru79: should work fine
[11:59] <Hikaru79> w00t :)
[11:59] <Hikaru79> OK
[11:59] <bur[n] er> Hikaru79: should have worked in debian
[11:59] <bur[n] er> but that's another story
[11:59] <whiprush> daniels: awake at all?