[12:00] <__daniel> is "bong" something good? :-) [12:00] __daniel: no [12:01] mdz: hoary's seeds are starting out at warty, right? so copying warty->hoary in debootstrap is safe? [12:01] Kamion: yes [12:01] I don't think base has any changes proposed for hoary anyway, does it? [12:01] there's nothing on the wiki [12:01] I'm sure some will happen :) [12:02] actually, yeah, I'm going to propose ethtool, for base, tho I may not succeed [12:02] mdz: at minimum one is necessary: libc6.1/ia64 [12:02] kamion: efi, etc. too [12:03] elmo: d-i can probably install those [12:03] ah, yeah [12:03] tho, the world will pull in libc6.1 too :) [12:04] christ, even expensive AMD64 servers can't keep time right - I thought it was just cheap shitty motherboards that were the problem === Kamion throws debootstrap_0.2.45ubuntu1 hoary's way to see what happens [12:16] so, anyone, final call, on options, a), b) or c) above ? [12:16] elmo: (any opinions from me withdrawn, I'd rather it worked) [12:17] is somebody setting up a hoary-changes list? === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === T-Dinner is now known as T-Bone === jdub uploaded to hoary :-) [12:23] elmo: who was first? :) [12:24] Kamion: hrm [12:24] Kamion: should we have a general -changes list, or a new one for each release? === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] won't we eventually be in parallel with two distros? [12:25] mdz: benh could really only raise PPC NPTL wrt glibc [12:25] elmo: more than two ;) [12:26] well, ubuntu distros then :P [12:26] I mean, like when hoary is frozen, but grumpy is syncing with sid [12:26] surely updates and embargoed security go to warty-changes too? [12:26] not to mention warty-updates uploads, so, yeah I think we should have per-distro lists [12:27] security uploads go to u-s-a [12:27] (err @lists.u.c) [12:27] mmm, true, people won't care about warty once we're on perky, but we will === jdub goes to create hoary-changes [12:28] elmo: it's not just cheap servers; Sun machines are notorious for keeping shitty time [12:28] what's hoary's version number again? [12:28] 5.4 [12:28] or is it 5.04? [12:29] ugh [12:29] has to be 5.04 i guess [12:29] not as bad as "4.1" for 4.10 [12:29] hrm, doesn't *have* to be 5.04 [12:30] no, it doesn't [12:30] I just didn't remember what was decided [12:31] elmo: do syncs go to hoary-changes? [12:31] they, err, will [12:31] not the mass flood i just did tho [12:31] and do we want sync notification for universe? I assume not? [12:32] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/hoary-changes [12:35] hornbeck: you around? [12:36] moo [12:36] moo [12:36] T-Bone: hey dude [12:36] howdy buddy! [12:36] mdz: main/universe/multiverse separation all mine, yes. [12:37] yo T-Bone [12:37] T-Bone: i thought you were off for the day [12:37] mako: nah, waiting for you ;) [12:37] jdub: ola! === elmo_ [~james@83.216.141.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] lamont: btw, any news on the IA64 side? [12:38] t-bone: later tonight, I promise === lamont goes to get the can of air [12:38] lamont: ok, that'll be tomorrow then ;) [12:38] yeah [12:38] ok [12:39] i'll promise to find more time on my side too ;) [12:39] got a bit swamped with the end of my scholarship getting closer ;) === doko [doko@dsl-084-057-060-037.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Is Openoffice on the CDs? [12:41] yes [12:41] mjg59: it's part of desktop, so yes [12:53] Rock [12:53] T-Bone: ok, sent [12:53] mako: thx _alot_ ! [12:54] T-Bone: np === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] sabdfl: has the new wiki announcement gone out yet? I haven't seen it [01:09] no, i'm waiting for news from stevea about the wikiwikibangbang [01:10] mdz: ^ [01:10] sabdfl: wikiwikibangbang = moving the old content over? [01:10] yes, automated === T-Bone calls it a night, past 1AM, see yall === lamont returns, coughing from months of accumulated dust. [01:15] dh_installpam --name ssh # TODO: breaks woody backports [01:15] Unknown option: name === elmo_ whines at kamion [01:16] sabdfl: How would you like to move forward with the laptop stuff? [01:16] mjg59: feeling any better? [01:16] mjg59: speedily, happily, with a little song? [01:16] mdz: A bit - hot whisky and a large bowl of stew [01:16] hmm.. whiskey and lemon [01:17] mjg59: can you map out for me how you'd like to handle it? [01:17] i'm pretty much open to your lead on it [01:17] sabdfl: Suspend to disk is a matter of me getting the code to do swsusp off initrd together, building some test kernels and letting people go to town [01:17] ok [01:18] are there other things that we can do to really make it rock, that parallelise? [01:18] S3 is a bit trickier. The only test hardware I have is the C3 thing, and it's not playing ball yet [01:18] id like to build a volunteer team around you [01:18] you are welcome to my tosh test laptop for a month or two [01:18] That might well be useful [01:18] It pretty much worked === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:28] mjg59: I got the impression from Herbert that swsusp was ready to go once we got v2 in [01:28] mjg59: and that is on his list for hoary already [01:29] v2 of swsusp? [01:29] Eww. [01:29] Really, it's bad crack. [01:30] Pretty, though. [01:34] mjg59: I was under the impression that we had no choice [01:34] For which? [01:34] mjg59: because earlier versions can't handle, e.g., IDE drivers being loaded as modules [01:35] swsusp [01:35] mjg59: mind creating a bugzilla account so I can CC you on this stuff? :-) [01:35] http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.brisset/initrd-swsusp/ for instance [01:35] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003 [01:35] I'm pretty sure there's more recent versions of this code floating about [01:36] if there's a better way, Herbert needs to know about it now [01:36] SuSE certainly won't be shipping swsusp2, given that they've got Pavel [01:37] does the swsusp merge in 2.6.9 mean it's supposed to work outside i386 now? [01:37] bob2: Not quite as yet [01:37] Benh had code for PPC. I'm not sure if it's done yet. [01:38] most of the ppc effort seems to have been on pmdisk. [01:38] pmdisk and swsusp have been merged now === mjg59 waits for his Bugzilla account confirm mail... [01:38] <__daniel> sleep tight guys [01:39] ah, awesome === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] daniels: will our x.org have composite? === lifeless wishes swsup worked for him [02:13] composite disabled by default I hope :p [02:15] euhm http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fImages shouldn't this be moved to hoary? === __daniel [~daniel@td9091b7a.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === jamesh [~james@203-59-217-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Happy Hoary Trail! | BE THE SIGNAL | Warty release is DONE, long live Hoary === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~Alexander@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~Alexander@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] sabdfl: yeah [04:01] what's the top-s3krit security contact address for ubuntu? [04:13] mako: you looking for me? [04:15] well I will be eating and back in about 30 [04:20] Clint: I'm not sure whether security@ubuntu is set up yet [04:20] Clint: but mdz@canonical.com works === bob2 [~rob@202.60.66.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] back [04:36] plovs: ? === sgtshatta [~sgtshatta@24-193-25-90.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] hornbeck: yeah [05:02] hornbeck: perfect timing [05:02] hornbeck: i wanted to know if there was any summary of the documentation meeting? [05:05] hornbeck: what do you think about http://www.phptr.com/title/0130327654 It's part of Bruce Perens' Open Source series. http://www.phptr.com/series/series.asp?ser=335494 [05:06] hornbeck: It would be very cool to have an Ubuntu book in that series. What do other people think? (I'm replying to your message in ubuntu-doc) [05:09] mako: what doc meeting? [05:10] asw: that loooks pretty good [05:10] mako: nevermind, I remember now :-) [05:11] I think so let me check [05:11] mako: are you on the -devel list? [05:12] mako: enrico, did a write up of the meeting [05:12] I can forward to you if you like [05:13] hornbeck: i must have missed it [05:13] ooh.. it was probably sent late [05:13] alright. it must have not made my 2004-10-15 traffic cutoff [05:13] yeah, the mail was on the 15th at 2:46pm [05:15] hornbeck: I'd love to help (in whatever way I can) on any ubuntu book under a libre license. As usual my interest is "ubuntu for scientists" but scientists just want thing ordinary users want like openoffice/evolution/mozilla also gimp/latex/texmacs [05:15] asw: I am thinking more of a beginning type book [05:16] i found it quite good to build up to a book length piece [05:16] hornbeck: yeah that's what i figured but surely openoffice/evolution/mozilla are beginner apps? [05:17] asw: I have started a outline, and will be posting it to the mailing list when I have that done. It will hopefully be under a decent license, but this being my first attempt at a book, I think just getting to chapter one will be good for right now [05:18] asw: I was thinking, 1. Intro to Linux, 2. Installing Ubuntu, 3. The Gnome Desktop, 4. Useful apps, 5. package management, 6. the command line [05:18] something along that [05:18] command line before package management [05:19] hornbeck: sure... I guess licenses are something that people can really fight about after the fact (don't start a company without a share-holder agreement) so it's nice to make sure about it in advance. Yeah I admin some boxes for my room-mates and I'd love to give them a copy. =^) Also my parents. [05:20] ps. My thesis proposal went out today. This time next week this part will be all done. I'm a little terrified really. Everybody on that committee is about a billion times smarter than me. [05:20] asw: you will do fine [05:20] asw: I don't know how much to demand right from the get go, considering I have to go through a whole proposal first [05:20] hornbeck: i was trolling so thanks for indulging me! [05:21] no prob [05:21] hornbeck: if you plan to publish the book I think it's a good idea to have a "target" publisher and then some "alternates"... [05:22] asw: My first choice is Oreilly, than I would consider no starch and a few others [05:22] hornbeck: and I would venture a guess that if you promise to use a libre license from beginning you'll get more help with proof-reading, and maybe some direct contributions of text. [05:22] but Oreilly is the one people look to for good books [05:23] asw: yeah, I would guess so [05:29] hornbeck: looks to me that "no starch" is distributed by Oreilly so they might as well be the same company. (That's just from a glance at the web-pages...) [05:33] asw: no starch is distributed by oreilly but is not the same company === sgtshatta [~sgtshatta@24-193-25-90.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] well, I am off for the night to watch some ER and shower. I will be at the CC meeting tomorrow so see you all there [05:39] gnite! === jamesh [~james@203-59-217-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-217-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [06:45] morning === lamont heads to bed [06:48] night lamont === srbaker_ [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:54] morning, fabio [06:56] hey mdz [06:56] is there any more outcome from the meeting that i should be aware of? [06:57] btw we could have called the new mailing list ubuntu-changes directly ;) [06:57] fabbione: not really, I am still processing the notes to update the wiki [06:57] ok [06:57] fabbione: there was a short discussion about it in this channel between (I think) jdub and elmo [06:57] and they decided on hoary-changes [06:58] ok [06:58] we also need to be sure that python is fully installed before X.org [06:58] we will have to change base-config for that [06:59] and i will have to pre-depends on it [06:59] does a python debconf interface exists? [07:00] fabbione: I do not think so [07:00] but it would be simple to write one [07:01] if it doesn't exist it will kinda difficult for me to switch the scripts [07:01] i don't have the knowledge to write an interface at that level [07:02] it may be simpler than you think; look at /usr/share/debconf/confmodule sometime [07:02] but someone else could do it also [07:02] do you need it today? [07:02] mdz: I'm sasha (I don't remember if I introduced myself previously.) Curious, are you the M. Zimmerman of EFF (staff attorney?) That just seems odd... [07:02] asw: no [07:02] mdz: no but asap [07:03] python2.3-configlet - alternative debconf configuration interface: core API [07:03] i don't think it's the same [07:03] fabbione: ah, there is one [07:04] it's included in the debconf package even [07:04] just import debconf [07:04] ok === skvidal [~skvidal@login.dulug.duke.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] 'lo all [07:07] a short while back I read in I think an ubuntu or debian developer's blog about potential python-dpkg bindings [07:07] I was wondering if 1. anyone else could remember where I might have read that and 2. if there is any movement in that direction [07:20] skvidal: it's not on the schedule for the next 6 months, but that doesn't mean it won't happen [07:20] I think wichert akkerman is working on something like that [07:21] mdz: hmm, okay, I'm just kinda curious in the prospect of that [07:21] or was [07:21] skvidal: I think it depends on having libdpkg, which doesn't itself exist yet [07:22] grrr. i need a new job. [07:22] srbaker_: join the club, we have jackets :) [07:22] srbaker_: "" ? :) [07:22] aj, ? [07:23] srbaker_: ...for Canonical HR? [07:23] aj, just me generally grumbling, but if you know anywhere that's hiring, let me know. [07:23] aj, i thought canonical was full [07:23] *shrug*, no idea [07:23] and besides, if you want debian developers, there are probably 600 that are smarter than me that you haven't hired yet. [07:24] or they, i don't remember if you're at canonical or not [07:24] I need a job to [07:28] mdz: yah I did some searching and found the blog entry I had read before [07:28] mdz: I see what you mean about needing libdpkg first :) [07:33] oh. is there planning on being a parisc port of ubuntu, because i have a D-9000 to send to the first person that pays the shipping [07:34] srbaker_: no one has expressed interest as yet [07:34] besides lamont, of course :-) [07:34] mdz, heh. well, i have a large d-class here that's taking up room [07:34] keep it in mind [07:35] :P [07:36] hmm [07:39] hmm [07:40] I am receiving old mail via ubuntu lists [07:40] jdub: are you moderating or something? [07:40] so did i === mako raises his hand [07:40] i moderated [07:40] i thought it was mostly from the last couple days [07:40] but devel had some slightly older stuff [07:41] nobody has sent out a reminder for the CC meeting tomorrow, right? [07:41] (i haven't seen one) [07:42] mako: no, good idea [07:44] looks like we have a full agneda [07:44] do we? === mdz hopes it doesn't last quite as long as the hoary kickoff meeting [07:45] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [07:45] pshaw [07:45] 4 items :-) [07:45] too many meetings :((( [07:45] well, full compared to last one :) [07:45] which was empty :) [07:45] fabbione: you don't need to attend the CC meeting if you don't want to [07:46] mdz: i didn't get to the kick off summary today.. i did 3 of them and thought it was about enough for the day :) [07:46] mdz: the problem is the time [07:46] 16:00 UTC is really bad for me [07:46] and now it seems to be a standard [07:46] that's because when I asked everyone for times, that was the middle ground [07:47] yeah and that's ok when there is a meeting once in a while [07:47] if you would like to ask everyone again, and find a time which works better for you, we could discuss changing it [07:47] now we are up to 2 meetings per week every 2 weeks [07:47] fabbione: well, you can pretty safely ignore the CC meetings unless you're bringing up an issue there [07:48] Mentoring new developers === mako shrugs [07:48] that something important :) [07:48] yeah [07:48] i didn't put it there [07:48] but i am kinda a mentor for debian too [07:48] i suppose there is a pretty high chance you'll have something you're interested on any given agenda [07:48] mako: right [07:48] mako: the hoary kickoff summary will be to the CC summary as this month's traffic is to July's traffic [07:49] mdz: i cut out like 600 lines and moved into a linked summary [07:49] the art summary was larger than the first 3 traffics combined, at least :) [07:50] WTs, not UTs [07:50] well, actually, maybe UTs too [07:50] fabbione: well, these conversations can happen before and after the meetings [07:51] fabbione: i guess we don't really have a procedure for participating in a meeting before a meeting short of making notes or adding thigns to the wiki [07:51] but i think that's a nice thought since clearly we've got people in places for which that time is convinient [07:51] and peoples in places where it's fine but their schedules don't fit :) [07:52] mako: yes i know that [07:52] i guess i will have to deal with it [07:52] mdz: thanks for the info, have a nice night === skvidal [~skvidal@login.dulug.duke.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] [07:52] and deal with my gf bitching [07:52] fabbione: :-/ [07:54] well.. i am used to people bitching about X... [07:54] i can handle my gf [07:55] ;) [07:57] have people called ubuntu-people 'ubuntites' yet? [07:57] ubuntean ? [07:57] because if not, i'd like to coin that phrase [07:57] lifeless: ubunteans is nice too [07:57] ubuntonians [07:57] ubuntunians [07:57] redundant [07:58] ubunters [07:58] ubuntuses? [07:58] the ubuntish [07:58] ubunts [07:58] ubuntush would be nice if it didn't have "tush" on the end [07:59] haha, you said 'tush' [07:59] imho, ubuntites wins [07:59] ubuntettes! [08:00] coming to a record store near you: Mark Shuttleworth and the Ubuntettes! [08:02] this ubuntite should go to sleep. Gnite mako! [08:02] the tutus? [08:02] ;-) [08:02] asw: i'm joining you.. (in sleep, not in person) === asw laughs [08:03] asw: the doc meeting stuff was great [08:03] asw: i read through the log today.. awesome stuff, good ideas === mako goes to sleep [08:04] mako: yeah I just submitted my PHD thesis proposal today (i'm nervous as hell) but by next week I should have a year to work on free software projects as time permits. [08:04] asw: what dept? [08:04] asw: school? [08:05] biophysics (harvard) but its a cs-physics-biology project. See http://groups-beta.google.com/group/coreworld-announce [08:06] asw: ah, you're in cambridge, cool! we should have coffee at cafe algiers next time i come up :) [08:06] organize a boston ubuntu meeting :) [08:06] next announcement after the committee meeting next week. I've read a few of your pages. Actually Gerry Sussman wanted me to talk to SPI folks about an idea I have. I very very briefly talked about it with Mark (sbdfl) already. [08:07] yes. I'd love that. (re algiers) [08:07] actually are you in washington? [08:07] asw: i'm in new york now but lived in boston a few years ago [08:07] lived in seattle and italy and western mass (amherst) in between [08:07] oh. in that case maybe sooner... I'll be in new york fairly soon. [08:08] asw: http://mako.yukidoke.org/contact.html [08:08] asw: let me know when you're coming down.. give me some advance warning and i can get you a place to crash probably :) [08:09] Googling people doesn't work. (I swear I saw what looked like a current page that said you live near Seattle.) [08:09] asw: i moved like 3 weeks ago :) [08:09] asw: didn't have to be that out of date [08:10] asw: but yeah, we can talk spi stuff too. i'm here and our lawyer is too [08:10] (who is a debian maintainer now as of last week) [08:10] mako: careful I might take you up on that. (re crash space.) The last time I stayed in NYC I found a dorm style room with a bunch of underwear models at the Gershwin hotel. I think I debated Creationism versus darwinian evolution with a girl who ended up bunking with the fifteen year old. Ah well. =^) [08:11] hum? Greg is a maintainer now? [08:11] vorlon: yeah, took over xkbsel [08:12] vorlon: and is getting ready to an upload of an new package of galax (xml query language) [08:12] nice. [08:13] greg is a real hacker.. reads his email in nmh and write his printed documents in troff [08:14] mako, vorlon: until tomorrow! mako one last question. Do you know Brad Fitz (in person)? [08:15] asw: not yet i don't believe [08:16] asw: yeah, let me know. we have lots of guests :) [08:16] oh man [08:16] meeting tonight too [08:16] eeeeeuuuggh ;) [08:16] jdub: tuns of meetings [08:18] mako: thanks. I'll definitely take you up on it... Re docs. I'm going to suggest we look at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html that's what I'd like to see for Ubuntu. (Maybe a different license but personally, I'd really like to keep the GNU in the title.) [08:18] asw: me too :) [08:19] really? (is that re. keeping "GNU" in the title?) [08:19] yep :) [08:20] all of it actually [08:23] any of the zwiki people awake? [08:27] okay, one thing i don't understand about arch is why do they like to have such weird names for directories? it's really imposing [08:30] http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/ReleaseNotes.html [08:30] ^ sweet [08:36] srbaker_ : it's taken me a really long time to get used to the idea of "small clean changesets" and I'm still not sure I'm used to it. the other parts of arch are ultimately less of an issue imho than wrapping your head around the idea of a growing "frontier" of releases at each arch archive rather than a central repository. [08:38] asw, bah, all of that stuff i can get used to. the long path names drive me fucking batty [08:38] esp. when it makes my prompt three lines long [08:38] srbaker: yay darcs! :) [08:38] aj, heh, i really like darcs. [08:38] but i've been using monotone [08:38] i think i'm going to be using darcs on my web server for the php code i have to maintain (ugh) [08:39] it's mostly drupal modules. [08:39] anyways, bed time. it's 3:40a here [08:40] srbaker: you are probably right. Yeah it's 2:40a here. === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] srbaker: re. Arch "rough spots"... [08:52] mdz: Morning! Say, what shall we do with bugs that are fixed in Hoary, but still present in Warty? Bz does not support version tracking, so shall we just close them? === gro [~gro@u212-239-167-206.adsl.pi.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] anybody think i might have any luck getting a logitech quickcam to work? [09:45] pitti: last time I asked someone that for debian, I was told the answer was shorter release cycles ;-) === azeem_ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] pasc: we have fixed release cycles :-) [09:46] pasc: our future bug tracking system will be able to track versions, but bugzilla is not [09:46] pitti: that's why I stuck the smiley face on the end [09:46] pasc: ah :-) [09:47] pitti: living in sydney, it's hard to avoid ubuntu devels [09:48] pasc: It's really amazing that the smallest continent brings the largest share of Canonical employees [09:48] pitti: ah! but we're the largest island [09:48] ;-) === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tfheen [~Rodiguim@host142-67.pool8022.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] fabbione? [09:52] mdz, jdub: Can I upload #2744 (tempfile vulnerability in gs-common)? === tfheen waves from Venice [09:53] tfheen: Hi! [09:53] tfheen: What's up in Italy? [09:53] tfheen: ops, that's Austria, right? [09:53] hey tfheen ! [09:53] no, Italy [09:53] tfheen: no, that was Vienna. Damn English city name translations... [09:54] tfheen: vacation or job? [09:54] vacation [09:54] tfheen: nice! I've never been there, but all these canals and the city must be beautiful [09:55] yeah, they are [09:55] going home today, though [09:55] :-( [09:55] send some photos :-) [09:55] willdo [09:56] nah, it will be nice to get home.. I am tired now.. hopelessly behind on mail I guess as well [09:57] i'm new to linux...what should i do if i do an apt-get install of a package and it seems to be successful...i don't need to restart, do i? [09:57] i supposedly installed the utils for the logitech's quickcam...but i don't know how to use these utils [09:58] bigbrother0074: in all but very rare cases (like new kernels) you don't need to reboot [09:58] bigbrother0074: that should be ok, but please take these topic to #ubuntu [09:58] bigbrother0074: packages should usally "just work" [09:59] pitti: approved [09:59] jdub: thx [09:59] oh, what channel is this? [09:59] #ubuntu-devel [09:59] bigbrother0074: this is the development channel, #ubuntu is user [09:59] oh, my bad [09:59] bigbrother0074: no problem :-) [10:00] that would be what devel means [10:00] have a good night (or morning) === bigbrother0074 [~bigbrothe@cdm-24-250-145-26.bcst.cox-internet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === bob2 [rob@202.60.66.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] plovs, was that message CC'd to the list before I reply onlist ;-) [10:26] morning all === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] morning === ctalkep [~ctalkep@212.21.138.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __daniel [~daniel@td9091b7a.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] sabdfl: gmorning. My phd thesis proposal went out today. I hold my breath for a week and then ... I'll see, I guess. [10:39] I think I've said good-night in various channels for the last five hours. [10:39] asw, is this the ubuntu for scientists thing? [10:40] sparkes: my phd thesis is the quantum coreworld. See http://groups-beta.google.com/group/coreworld-announce One way or another there will be another announcement next week. [10:41] sparkes, hi yeah, i suppose so [10:41] but my interest in Ubuntu is a little broader in scope. I must say this project makes me very happy. (Or at least everyone I've met/chatted with associated with the project.) [10:44] plovs_work, I replied off list, you can CC the list if you want === sparkes wouldn't say it if it wasn't for public consumtion [10:44]