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bob2whiprush: no12:00
ograWW: ...tomorrow ?12:00
Hikaru79bur[n] er, it worked fine in Knoppix. But there were a lot of problems getting the Linux NVIdia driver to run in Debian :(12:00
Hikaru79Something about missing kernel headers12:00
ograHikaru79: its easy in ubuntu12:00
Hikaru79Spent a whole day trying to fix it, gave up, and switched to Knoppix HD-Install ^ ^;;12:00
ograHikaru79: no need to compile ;)12:00
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Hikaru79OK, I'm convinced :)12:00
georgiaout of curiousity, has anyone gotten maconlinux to work with warty?12:01
Hikaru79I'm gonna boot back into Knoppix for a few minutes to download and burn the Install CD :)12:01
Hikaru79later12:01
bob2georgia: yes, people have12:01
ogrageorgia: there is a thread on the  ubuntu-users ML12:01
georgiaokies i'll have a look there, thanks12:01
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tpddSo can you use debian sources with ubuntu?12:07
bob2yes12:07
ogratpdd: you shouldnt, but you can12:07
siimotpdd,  not recommended12:07
bob2but it's no supported and may not work12:07
bob2you're on your own12:07
cardadorive erased a lot of files accidentally on my reiserfs partition... is there anything i can do?12:08
bob2no12:08
cardadortks :(12:09
bob2you can try things like dumping the partition with "strings", etc12:09
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cokkiedoughrm -rf * rocks12:10
cardadorbob2: dont know how to do that, and i think i just lost some music files, so no big deal12:10
cardadorcokkiedough: yeah :)12:10
bob2cardador: ah, very hard to get back then12:10
nosilver4ukind of a crazy question, but does anyone happen to know how to turn on auto-op on a channel?12:11
cardadorcokkiedough: i thought i were on .Trash but i was on home...12:11
cardadorbob2: it was rm * -R ...12:11
cardadorim glad i killed it quickly12:11
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Krypt0nhey guys, sorry im a bit of a newbie, but when i start synaptic (livecd) it says it can't 'stat' some package list or something12:18
bob2erm, what do you want to do with it on the livecd?12:18
Krypt0ntest it12:19
Krypt0ninstall xmms12:19
bob2how can you install packages to a cd?12:19
Krypt0nit installs it to a ramdisk doesn't it?12:19
Kamionbob2: ramdisk.12:19
bob2ooooh12:19
Krypt0nany idea why its not finding the source?12:20
Krypt0nthe net connection is fine (using xchat right now)12:20
KamionKrypt0n: does hitting the Reload button help?12:20
Krypt0nlet me see12:21
Krypt0nno12:21
Krypt0nsays it 'could not download all repository indexes'12:21
Krypt0n'no file or directory'12:22
Kamiondoes 'sudo apt-get update' run from a terminal say the same thing?12:22
Kamionhm, sorry, I'm going to have to go here, hope somebody else can take over12:23
Krypt0ndoes the same thing yeah12:23
Krypt0nhttp://www.pastebin.com/11369012:24
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Krypt0nahh, its not a big deal, as long as it works on the install12:25
Krypt0ni just wanted to see how it all works before i install it12:25
malteKrypt0n, ehm... could you paste the content of the sources.list as well? why does it try to connect to localhost?12:26
Krypt0ni have no idea12:26
KamionKrypt0n: he means the file /etc/apt/sources.list12:26
Krypt0nbtw where is sources.list?12:26
Krypt0ncheers12:26
malteoh, sorry12:26
KamionKrypt0n: it sounds like that's broken, indeed12:26
Krypt0nheh12:26
Krypt0nyeah12:26
Krypt0ni'll get that for ya12:26
Kamiondeb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted12:26
Kamionputting that in there on its own should do12:26
Krypt0ndeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main12:27
Krypt0ndeb http://127.0.0.1/warthog/ ./12:27
Krypt0ndeb http://www.morphix.org/debian/ ./12:27
Kamionah, just ditch lines two and three12:27
Kamionand file a bug :-)12:27
Krypt0nwill do12:27
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Krypt0nthanks12:27
malteare you sure those aren't supposed to be there btw?12:28
maltelocalhost looks strange of course... :)12:28
Krypt0nmeh, nevermind, its not a big deal anyway since its a livecd, i just thought it might work12:30
Krypt0ncheers for the help anyway guys, appreciated :)12:30
bob2Krypt0n: please do file a bug12:30
bob2it is broken12:30
Krypt0noh12:30
Krypt0nokay then, i'll get onto it now12:30
bob2thanks12:30
Krypt0nno problem12:30
Krypt0nits already reported :/12:31
Krypt0ni should check there first heh12:31
jacobCan use Totem-gstreamer use win32-addon dlls, or it just Totem-Xine?12:31
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xuzojacob: i think that gstreamer backend cannot use win32 dlls12:34
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mjrjust totem-xine at the moment12:37
isamRiddell: I should have listen to you, and waited until there is KDE in ubuntu12:37
jacobokay12:37
bob2isam: kde is in universe12:37
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isamRiddell: your packages aren't working .. kdeinit did not start, complaining about a non-existant libXsomething12:39
isambob2: yes, an old one .. that crashes since kdm12:40
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bob2isam: did you file a bug?12:40
andrilhello all - again!12:40
bob2or are you not supposed to file bugs on broken universe stuff?12:40
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isambob2: I thought that univerise isn't supported, and I wouldn't bother with bug reporting12:41
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Hikaru79I'm about to install ubuntu12:42
Hikaru79Running from LiveCD at the moment12:42
Hikaru79And one question12:42
Hikaru79I want to format my drive BEFORE I run the installer12:42
Hikaru79I can do that from a LiveCD, right?12:42
bob2it should include mkfs, yes.12:42
bob2but why?12:42
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Hikaru79Because that way I can have you guys to help me while  I partition instead of doing it by myself during the installer :)12:53
kapputuhi guys.. welcome another newbie to ubuntu12:53
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kapputuI'm getting this error with samba12:53
Hikaru79I'm planning on completely repartitioning and reformatting my drive12:53
kapputusomething to do with a symbolic link to rc0.d and rc1.d12:53
Hikaru79I don't care about losing my data12:53
bob2kapputu: what is the exact error?12:53
Hikaru79Which partitions should I create for an ubuntu install?12:53
bob2Hikaru79: the installer has an option for "nuke this disk and partition it sensibly"12:53
Hikaru79A root partition and a "swap" partition? Anything else?12:53
Hikaru79Really?12:53
bob2Hikaru79: yes.12:53
Hikaru79It'll create swap drives and everything by itself?12:53
GotD0tHikaru79 yea12:53
bob2yes12:53
Hikaru79Sweet!12:53
Hikaru79So that's all I have to do for ideal partitions?12:53
Hikaru79Excellent :)12:53
Hikaru79Thanks guys ^ ^12:53
Hikaru79I'm gonna go install now ^ ^12:53
GotD0thave fun12:53
Hikaru79Thanks12:53
GotD0tsee you on the other side12:53
kapputugimme a minute bob, I'm downloading the x-window-system-dev and it's takin some time12:53
Hikaru79Be back soon, hopefully :)12:53
Hikaru79To report a succesful new Ubuntu user ^ ^12:53
kapputubtw <bob2> my wireless connection keeps getting disconnected12:53
bob2?12:53
kapputui'm using ndiswrapper on a TI ACX 111 chipset12:53
bob2ouch12:53
tsengouch indeed12:53
tsengi have 212:53
bob2there's not much anyone can do for you12:53
kapputu:(12:53
bob2maybe someone on the list will know12:53
tsengkapputu: if its the netgear, the card is just utter crap12:53
kapputuit's U.S.Robotics12:53
kapputucan someone suggest a better card ?12:53
tsengmine has the dinkiest antenna ive ever seen12:53
xuzokapputu: have you take a look on http://acx100.sourceforge.net/?12:53
kapputuyeah i configured my wireless card using the guidelines there12:53
tsengacx111 support there is pretty limited12:53
kapputubut the connection keeps dropping if I dont use it12:53
AnnaI'm still using the preview of Ubuntu. Should I download and install the final release or can I update one way or the other?12:53
kapputuright now I downloaded 40 MB in a few mins on a cable connec without any problem12:53
xuzooh, ok. I try that project with a acx100 card. I didnt know the state about acx11112:53
bob2Anna: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradeGuide12:53
Annaok, thanks12:53
kapputuhmm the error disappeared12:53
kapputuhow do I fire up samba ?12:53
bob2kapputu: install it12:53
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kapputuyeah i installed it12:53
bob2then it will be running12:53
kapputuso how do I set it up ?12:53
kapputuI need to browse my local lan12:53
bob2you don't use samba to browse your lan12:53
kappututhen what is it used for ?12:53
bob2Anna: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes12:53
andrildoes any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?12:53
bob2kapputu: it's for running as a smb server, so other machines can get files/printers off you12:53
kapputucool i need that too12:53
kapputuso what lan browser do I use ?12:53
bob2nautilus can do it12:53
kapputudon't i need to configure my workgroup ?12:53
andrildoes any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?12:53
mjrandril, don't really know, but it shouldn't12:53
andrilanyone????12:53
bob2kapputu: no12:53
andrilmjr: thanks12:53
bob2andril: depends what you mean by configure.  it will load the module for it.12:53
kapputuok got it12:53
bob2but it may or may not be the default if you have more than one12:53
kapputuhow do I make nautilus open in the same window ?12:53
cardadorkapputu: you can do that on Computer -> System conf -> Networking -> General, windows networking12:53
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imkahey12:53
jindHave any more than me had problems with compiling xchat-2.4.0 on your ubuntu system?12:53
bob2kapputu: computer -> desktop -> file browsing12:54
andrilI have a Combo card in right now thatt's junk - I just got a new card by C-Media12:54
kapputugreat12:54
kapputuI got that working..12:54
imkaany experiences with the live cd?12:54
kapputui'll thank you guys after all my questions ;)12:54
LinuxJonesimka, I have tried it and it works quite nicely12:54
kapputuI'm new to debian12:55
kapputui've used redhat, mandrake before12:55
ograkapputu: we all were new once ;)12:55
kapputuis there a good apt tutorial ?12:55
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bob2there is12:55
TenniruHow do I configure Ubuntu to go on sleep mode when I close the lid on my iBook?12:55
bob2Tenniru: g4 ibook?12:56
Tennirug3.12:56
bob2kapputu: depends what you want to know12:56
TenniruIt's an old Dual USB model. If it was better, I'd be using OS X now.12:56
bob2Tenniru: it's currently broken12:56
TenniruBut it runs so SLOW on a g3.12:56
TenniruWhat is?12:56
bob2sleep.12:56
TenniruOn Ubuntu... for the g3.12:56
TenniruWell, buttermonkeys.12:56
imkaLinuxJones all hardware working? sound?12:56
imkagnome without problems?12:57
TenniruAlso, that'd explain what happens when I try going into sleep. I can't get out.12:57
LinuxJonesimka, yes12:57
imkai need a knoppix replacement12:57
imkaok12:57
imkagreat12:57
bob2Tenniru: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194012:57
bob2Tenniru: sound like that?12:57
kapputuis there a good apt tutorial ?12:57
bob2kapputu: what do you want to know?12:57
bob2kapputu: if you mean "How do I install packages?", wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto12:58
LinuxJonesimka, I think it used Morphix as it's base, which itself is a spawn of Knoppix.12:58
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buffaloare there known problems with s3 Trio video cards. I can only seem to get 800x600, and only after manually editing XF86Config4 to change Default Depth from 24 to 16.12:58
kapputui prefer to use the command line12:58
kapputuhey buffalo are you from buffalo ?12:58
kapputui mean buffalo ny ?12:58
buffalokapputu: no, socal12:59
kapputuk12:59
bob2kapputu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html12:59
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bob2kapputu: but that will be dangerous if you don't know to only use ubuntu apt sources12:59
bob2there's very little you need to know for ubuntu.12:59
kapputunope i want to learn just in case12:59
kapputui don't mind screwing up01:00
kapputuif I don't i'll never learn01:00
TenniruYeah, that's it. Sleep=no worky.01:00
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TenniruSo... when do I expect this to be fixed?01:00
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kapputuok i installed ubuntu on my roommate's machine01:01
kapputuit's a P-II 400 with an Intel 440 BX motherboard and has a builtin sound card01:02
robertj"let's see if he notices"01:02
kapputucouldn't get the sound card detected01:02
bob2what driver does the card use?01:02
ploumkapputu, is it an ISA sound card ?01:02
kapputuhmm haven't looked into it01:03
kapputuwhat is an ISA sound card ?01:04
calckapputu: a sound card using the ISA bus?01:05
calc:)01:05
kapputuit's on the chipset01:06
bob2kapputu: file a bug on the linux component in bugzilla, provifing the output of "dmesg", "lspci", "lspci -n" and "lsmod", if you could.01:06
kapputui forgot what isa is01:06
kapputumy Masters in computer science is good for nothing !!01:06
kapputuanyway01:06
bob2er, "providing"01:06
TenniruI think it was a form of expansion slot used on x86es.01:06
TenniruPre-PCI.01:06
ogra16bit :)01:07
kapputuhmm it's not01:07
ograor 8, depends01:07
bob2if it's on-board, it cam sometimes be isa01:07
bob2which sucks, a lot01:07
kapputuyeah i know01:07
calcthe black slots you see on any pc system more than about 3 years old are usually ISA01:08
kapputuok gimme 3 reasons why I shouldn't install mandrake 10.1 on my desktop instead of ubuntu01:08
bob2it would be great if you could send that information to the BTS01:08
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bob2kapputu: if you want to use mandrake, go for it01:08
ograkapputu: have you seen ubuntu in action ?01:08
kapputuwell I do have an idea but I don't remember01:08
LinuxJoneskapputu, google reports that your soundcard is a Maestro-PCI01:08
bob2kapputu: it would be really good if you could help us by filing that bug, though01:08
kapputui'm using ubuntu right now01:08
calca P2 BX system likely has isa slots01:08
kapputuit's on my laptop and I think it's cool01:08
bob2my p3 bx has isa01:08
ograkapputu: not convinced ?01:09
TenniruIt's great, even on a Mac with one button.01:09
TenniruI mean, yeah, all the Macs migrated to two/three buttons...01:09
ograkapputu: so why do you think about mandrake ?01:09
kapputuhmm ubuntu doesn't use debian's repo ?01:09
bob2kapputu: no01:09
TenniruExcept the laptops, but that's what function keys are for.01:09
bob2kapputu: it has it's own archive01:09
Annaok, that link worked better:_-)01:09
kapputubecause i want to try out other distros01:09
ograkapputu: but it has nearly all debian packages01:09
kapputubut bob is it complete ?01:10
bob2kapputu: no01:10
kapputuic01:10
ogra98%01:10
bob2kapputu: but I doubt you will notice anything missing01:10
Annabut I'm going to bed now, I'm getting tired, it's after one here, good night01:10
bob2Anna: 'night01:10
kapputuok is it possible to install two linux distros on the same machine ?01:10
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bob2kapputu: of course01:10
mjryes, but if you have to ask, you probably don't want to01:10
bob2kapputu: you just need a partition each01:11
rdnksound juicer01:11
kapputuis it possible to use the installation cd of a linux distro to get back grub, if windows erases it,01:12
kapputuor do I need a rescue disk ?01:12
bob2the install can do that01:12
kapputugood01:13
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kapputudoes ubuntu install a firewall ?01:13
bob2do you know how?01:13
bob2no01:13
GotD0twindow's erased grub?01:13
ograkapputu: no need to01:13
kapputuno but I think I can figure out01:13
bob2but why do you want a firewall?01:13
bob2ubuntu has no services listening by default01:13
thomaeshello, how is the url of the website where i find how to install libdvdcss?01:13
kapputunope but I'm planning to setup my desktop as a server ?01:13
ograkapputu: nothing open, so nothing to protect ;)01:13
bob2thomaes: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats01:14
thomaesthx bob201:14
bob2kapputu: there are many firewallig tools in ubuntu01:14
bob2kapputu: but what do you imagine you'll be protecting yourself from?01:14
GotD0thimself...01:14
kapputulol GotDot01:14
ogra*g*01:14
bob2 /win3701:15
kapputuwhat about hackers using port scanners ?01:15
GotD0tkapputu: scanners look for open ports01:15
bob2um01:15
ograkapputu: there are _no_ ports to scan01:15
GotD0tkapputu: if there are no open ports... they wont get a hit01:15
bob2kapputu: if you're running a server, you're opening ports deliberately01:15
GotD0tkapputu: are you behind a router?01:15
bob2kapputu: how can a firewall protect you?01:16
bob2ogra: GotD0t he said he was installing some services01:16
ograoh01:16
kapputuhmm good question bob01:16
kapputui need to think on that01:17
kapputui'm still in the Windows world :(01:17
GotD0tkapputu: heh01:17
kapputuwindows has turned me into a dumbhead01:17
GotD0tkapputu: well according to some finnish professor you wont be living in one in 2006... as he claimed the internet will collapse then01:18
kappututhe only reason i was using it till date was because i couldnt get my wireless to work01:18
kapputuand i got that working with ubuntu this weekend01:18
bob2kapputu: there are valid reasons to use a firewall, but a default ubuntu desktop is not a place to worry about one :)01:18
kapputubut i use it at work and i'm trying to convince them to get a linux box01:18
kapputuyeah ofcourse01:19
GotD0tkapputu: GET?01:19
kapputui don't need it for my desktop01:19
kapputukapputu: GET? -- i don't understand01:19
Sensebendbob2, I disagree a firewall is a good idea01:19
Sensebendeven on a default ubuntu desktop01:20
bob2Sensebend: why?01:20
GotD0tsensebend: a router should be sufficient enough...01:20
GoneBoBok01:20
Sensebendremote exploits, minimizing access to your system01:20
GoneBoBif I have no ports open01:20
bob2Sensebend: no01:20
GoneBoB.. why do I need a firewall01:20
malteto protect new users maybe?01:20
bob2Sensebend: default ubuntu has nothing listening on external interfaces01:20
SensebendI run certain services like VNC I keep within my local network for example01:21
kapputuok i use SSH and use tunneling to open up X applications01:22
bob2then that's not a default ubuntu desktop01:22
bob2and you should be thinking about security, yes01:22
kapputuI use X-win32 on windows01:22
kapputuwhat do i use on ubuntu ?01:22
SensebendX-chat, mIRC through wine01:22
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Sensebendbitchx01:22
Sensebendirssi01:22
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bob2XFree86 is the X server in ubuntu01:22
kapputudo i need to install it or is it already running ?01:23
kapputuhmm i guess it is right ?01:23
ograkapputu: youre actually looking at it ;)01:23
bob2kapputu: it's installed as part of the default desktop install01:23
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bob2kapputu: the "gui" in linux is X01:23
kapputuyep and that's what runs the x applications01:23
kapputubut can't get it to work with ssh01:23
Sensebendnevermind, I read x win32 as x-chat win3201:23
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SensebendI need some sleep01:23
mjrkapputu, ssh -X01:24
GoneBoBbob2: X is more like.. the driver01:24
GoneBoBit's not an interface, per se01:24
kapputui never used that option in FC 201:24
bob2GoneBoB: yes, I know01:24
kapputugood -X works01:24
mjrFC 2 has more insecure defaults then01:24
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kapputuwhy would it be insecure ?01:25
ograkapputu: open ports ?01:25
kapputuok got it01:25
bob2ogra: no01:26
dyn4mik3Hi, I'm deciding to install linux for some security research and I was wondering what you all thought was a better distro btw gentoo/fedora/ubuntu/debian. I've used gentoo and debian before - however I did not do much with the security aspect of each distro. Any thoughts?01:26
mjrbecause one can access your X display from the other host if one can read your xauthority file01:26
kapputuok now tell me why ubuntu is a better option to run let's say a web server and MySQL01:26
bob2ssh X forwarding does not "open" ports.01:26
bob2dyn4mik3: this is #ubuntu01:26
ograbob2: fc2 has no open ports ?01:26
mjrso you're trusting at least the administrators of that system01:26
bob2dyn4mik3: do you really expect an unbiased answer?01:26
bob2ogra: no, ssh forwarding has nothing to do with open ports01:26
kapputuok where do I read about open ports01:26
kapputu?01:26
ograbob2: i answered the fc2 question ;)01:27
bob2kapputu: you need to understand how tcp works01:27
kapputuhmm i forgot01:27
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mjrogra, yes, incorrectly01:27
ogramjr: so fc2 has no open ports ?01:28
dyn4mik3bob2: no - im just looking for what is different in ubuntu security wise01:28
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mjrogra, ah, I see. You just missed the context then, we were talking of the ssh client defaults01:29
litenall distros need lots of work to be secure01:29
mjrand having X forwarding enabled by default is a security risk for the reason I gave01:29
ogramjr: ok i see, sorry then for dizzing this....01:29
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bob2dyn4mik3: if you want a serious answer, the list is a far better place to ask01:30
daysonHey I have a question about getting a windows gaming program to work on linux can somoene tell me what I need to do this?01:30
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bob2dayson: you can buy winex (cedega) which might work.01:30
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cardadordayson: what is the program?01:31
daysonSteam01:31
kapputuok got disconnected01:31
litenso, is there some kinda unstable version of ubuntu being used alongside with warty?01:31
cardadordayson: it works with wine01:31
kapputuyou guys there ?01:31
mjror you can play with the free Wine, which might also work, with a slightly smaller probability perhaps01:31
bob2liten: /topic01:31
daysonCardador is wine cost anything?01:31
cardadornope01:31
bob2dayson: wine is free, winex is not01:31
mjrhttp://winehq.com01:31
kapputuwhat's winex ?01:31
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bob2kapputu: www.transgaming.com01:32
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mjrand wine is available from the Universe repository, it seems01:32
bash_aajaja01:32
Kirscha version of wine thats better for games01:32
litenbob2: hehe, the topic is soo long :P - lazy me -01:32
bash_wine nice..01:32
kapputuok01:32
kapputuhmm i forgot some questions01:32
bash_winex work on direcx01:33
cardadordayson: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=3201:33
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mjrthere is significant directx work in the free wine also01:33
kapputuok i want to setup freebsd, ubuntu on my desktop01:33
kapputuany suggestions, ideas, directions ?01:33
cardadordayson: and youll need cedega cvs, that can be built for free: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4501:33
bob2kapputu: #freebsd01:34
daysonCardador: thanks man I'll let you know if I cant figure it out, I'm still nub at linux01:34
cardadordayson: just follow the howtos, you should be fine01:34
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kapputuok01:34
kapputua question about synaptic01:34
kapputusynaptic displayed categories and packages installed under that01:35
kapputuand i searched for something01:35
kapputuand the categories disappeared01:35
kapputunm i got it01:36
Uanethi everyone..I have a question..i use dila-up connect for internet also i have hcfpci modem do you know that this modem work fine on ubuntu or no ? thanks for answering :)01:36
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kapputukernel source is not installed by default ?01:37
Uanetalso i looked ubuntu web page wiki.ubuntu but i didnt see01:37
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bob2kapputu: correct01:37
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johnlevindoes anyone know if a transcript of the meeting earlier today is available?01:38
kapputuok i do "sudo apt-get install kernel-source" ?01:38
kapputuwhat meeting johnlevin ?01:38
ograjohnlevin: not yet01:38
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bob2johnlevin: it went for 4.5 hours01:38
bob2johnlevin: a summary will be prepeared01:38
kapputuwhat meeting was it ?01:38
__danielsleep tight guys01:38
ograkapputu: about the next release01:38
johnlevinbob2: I had to bail out after 2 and a quarter hours01:39
kapputuit's in november right ?01:39
ograg'night __daniel01:39
daysonCardador: I need cedega installed first so I'm trying to do that ( http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 ) but dont have all of those packetages where do I get those?01:39
kapputuwas it an online meeting ?01:39
bob2kapputu: linux-source-2.6.8.101:39
bob2kapputu: yes01:39
johnlevinkapputu: the hoary kickoff meeting01:39
cardadordayson: do you know how to use synaptic?01:39
daysonwhat is hoary?01:39
johnlevinhoary is the code name for the next ubuntu release01:39
daysonCardador: sorta I'm using it now but its not seeing them all01:39
kapputuwhat's new in the next release ?01:40
johnlevinhornbeck: was documentation discussed?01:40
bob2kapputu: nothing, it doesn't exist yet01:40
cardadordayson: do you have universe?01:40
bob2kapputu: the meeting was to decide what would be included01:40
kapputuic01:40
daysonCardador: its set to universe yes01:40
kapputuis there like a control-center like utility in ubuntu ?01:40
bob2kapputu: to do what?01:41
kapputua one-stop configuration place ?01:41
bob2no01:41
litenbob2: one place to gather all graphical configuration-tools :O01:41
litenbut its not there - atleast not in warty today01:42
kapputuok forgot to ask an important question01:42
johnlevinkapputu: like the control centre in KDE, do you mean?01:42
kapputui use a HP Pavilion Laptop01:42
mjrwell, there's the stuff in the Computer menu01:42
kapputuyeah johnlevin01:42
bob2kapputu: did you look in the computer menu?01:42
kapputui get a black X mark in the center of my screen01:42
cardadordayson: i think all the files are on universe. which ones you dont find?01:42
bob2kapputu: your card is broken01:42
kapputuand it's not part of the background01:42
GotD0tkapputu: i think someone else was talking bout that a day or two agi01:43
bob2kapputu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002088.html01:43
kapputuwhat do u mean by card is broken ?01:43
johnlevinkapputut: no, gnome works differently (and personally, I think KDE is better than Gnome in this respect)01:43
daysonthe freetype ones and the flex01:43
bob2the card is buggy.01:43
bob2johnlevin: a control center so big it needs a search engine is not good design01:43
daysonCardador: and the bison is "bison ++" would that make a difference?01:43
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mjrand there's the preferences:// location in Nautilus if you want a collection of icons for the gnome setup stuff :)01:43
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johnlevinbob2: understood, but I do find that part of KDE very convenient01:44
cardadordayson: i have bison, bison++ and bison-1.3501:44
cardadordayson: just in case, install all of them :)01:44
daysonCardador: mine only shows Bison++01:44
cardadordayson: check the repositories01:45
kapputuhmm bob u mean the card is buggy on ubuntu ?01:45
bob2kapputu: no01:45
cardadordayson: in the section you should have "main restricted universe multiverse"01:45
daysonCardador: just did and all but the two main retricted ones are being used01:45
kapputui've never had any problems with RH, FC, Mandrake01:45
daysonCardador: should I check the main restricted ones too?01:46
cardadoryes you should have all of gthem01:46
daysonCardador: so all repositories would be checked then right?01:46
cardadordayson: correct01:47
daysonCardador: still only shows ++ :(01:47
cardadorhave you clicked reload?01:47
kapputuok how do I run an application in the background running as sudo but without having to make my password visible to everyone01:48
daysonCardador: oops01:48
bob2kapputu: for example?01:48
lifelessrelayed question:01:48
lifelessDo you know that people have run VMWare on Ubuntu?   i.e. not Ubuntu as a host within a VM, but Ubuntu running VMWare to host other VMs?  Thanks01:48
kapputusudo emacs sources.list &01:48
ogranight all01:49
maltesame here. night :)01:49
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Scognitohi all01:49
__danielbye ogra, bye malte01:49
bash_hi..01:49
bash_:D01:49
bob2kapputu: run it, type password, hit ctrl-z, type %1&01:49
ograits late in germany ;)01:49
Scognitolittle question... why there are not 2.6.8 sources?01:49
bob2kapputu: er, run it without &01:49
bob2Scognito: because ubuntu uses 2.6.8.101:49
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Hikaru79Guys01:50
Hikaru79It works ^__^01:50
Hikaru79Sweet-ness!01:50
Hikaru79w00t for Ubuntu :)01:50
johnlevinHikaru79::)01:50
Scognitobob2, sorry, i use 2.6.8.1-2-38601:50
GotD0they Hikaru7901:50
Hikaru79:)01:50
Scognitobut there aren't sources of 2.6.8.*01:50
Hikaru79Now to get all my software installed again :P01:50
Scognitoand i cannot compile some modules i need01:50
bob2Scognito: yes there is01:50
bob2Scognito: linux-source-2.601:51
bob2Scognito: you don't need the source to build modules01:51
Scognitowhy not?01:51
kapputubob is it an el or a 101:51
kapputuoops got it01:51
bob2Scognito: linux-headers-2.601:52
daysonCardador: XFree86 devel, XFree86 Mesa, XFree86 Mesa devel packages are what I cant find now what should I do?01:52
cardadordayson: look for xlibmesa01:53
kapputuok a quick question01:53
kapputudoes gmplayer install plugins for firefox ?01:53
bob2no01:53
kapputuso how do I install it ?01:53
cardadorkapputu: apt-get mozilla-mplayer01:54
daysonCardador: what about the xfree86 devel?01:54
daysonCardador: thats the only one I dont have now01:54
kapputuinvalid option01:55
kapputuinvalid operation01:55
cardadordayson: im not sure, so its better if you try to build it and see if there are any errors01:55
litenapt-get install01:55
kapputuam a dumbo01:55
kapputusorry01:55
kapputucouldn't find the package01:55
daysonCardador: thanks, I'll see what happens now01:56
cardadorkapputu: add multiverse01:56
kapputu??01:56
kapputu--multiverse ?01:56
jonoxerkapputu: no, in /etc/sources.list01:56
cardadorkapputu: synaptic, settings, repositories, add multiverse to the checked line, section01:57
jonoxerThere are entries including 'universe', etc01:57
mjrhmm, actually, referring to a while back, there's a "gnome-control-center" still, that basically just launches Nautilus with the preferences:// URI01:57
kapputuwhat's it on the command line01:58
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mjrgnome-control-center :)01:59
jonoxerkapputu: to do it without running Synaptic you need to 'sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list'01:59
jonoxeror whatever your preferred editor is01:59
kapputuok i did that01:59
kapputunext01:59
cardadorapt-get update02:00
kapputuno how do I add multiverse ?02:00
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jonoxerlook for a line that starts something like "deb http://archive..."02:00
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kapputuyeah02:00
jonoxerGo to the end, where it will already have 'main' etc02:00
jonoxerThen add a space and "multiverse" at the end02:01
cardadorit should have universe also02:01
cardadorif it doesnt, add it02:01
jonoxerThen save the file, and then 'sudo apt-get update'02:01
kapputudo i add that to the src too ?02:03
jonoxerIf you want to be able to fetch source packages02:03
sabdflkapputu: only if you want to fix the bugs and security issues :-)02:03
jonoxerNot necessary unless you want to build things yourself02:03
kapputuhmm anything to do with perl, i can help02:04
sabdfluniverse and multiverse don't get the same security review or updates that main does, so please check for yourself02:04
kapputuwill start contributing to open source very soon02:04
kapputujust need to free up some time02:04
kapputuok finished install mozilla-mplayer02:05
kapputudoes it install plugins into firefox02:05
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Scognitobob2, tnx02:06
kapputuhmm u guys there or am I lagging ?02:08
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GotD0tdoes anybody have any experience with SynCE?02:08
LathiatYeh02:09
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dejottach02:09
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LathiatGotD0t: Whats up02:10
GotD0tLathiat: well I tried installing it before and never had any luck... i was just curious if anybody got theirs working02:10
dejotany german in here?02:11
kapputubob u there02:11
kapputu?02:11
LathiatGotD0t: works fine for me, just installed it, did synce-serial-config ttyS0 // synce-serial-start, works -- just make sure you set yoru wince device to use 115200 baud02:11
GoneBoByo02:11
GotD0tLathiat: and you use it through USB?02:12
Lathiatnah serial02:12
Lathiathavent tried usb02:12
GotD0tLathiat: I don't even think my computer has a serial port02:13
Lathiathaha02:13
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GotD0tLathiat: you can use it even though its built for KDE?02:14
Lathiatits built for kde?02:14
Lathiati used mine in gnome02:14
GotD0thmm02:14
Lathiatthe core stuff is independant02:14
Lathiatand i got the nautilus and tray plugins from the homepage02:15
Scognitobob2 i got his on configure: checking kernel source directory... Not found02:15
Lathiatworks great02:15
Lathiatpops up on my desktop and everything02:15
Lathiatthe gnomevfs plugin is very handy02:15
GotD0tk02:15
bob2Scognito: point it at the dir in /usr/src/02:15
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Scognitobob2 linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 ?02:15
bob2yeah02:16
bob2tell the module that that is your source dir02:16
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kapputubob mozilla-mplayer installs plugins for firefox ?02:17
bob2should work in firefox02:18
Scognitotnx bob202:18
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[Phaedrus] Does Ubuntu support HPT370 Raid Controllers?02:20
kapputuhow do I get a windows media player plugin ?02:20
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kappututhis site doesn't work for me02:20
kapputuwww.musicindiaonline.com02:20
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jiveraHi.02:21
GotD0thmm02:21
GotD0tthis is interesting02:21
GotD0tfor some reason firefox changed the download directory to my desktop02:22
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GotD0tand i just downloaded several tarballs and err... um i cant find them02:22
Lathiatare they on your desktop?02:22
GotD0tno02:22
socommGotD0t: are they at home?02:22
jiveraI saw some screenshots of the Ubuntu live cd (with some F/OSS packages compiled for Windows, along with a bootable Linux)... does anyone have info on how that CD was created?02:23
GotD0tsocomm: thas the firs tplace i looked for them02:23
socommGotD0t: which browser are you using?02:23
GotD0tsocomm: firefox pr02:23
jonoxerGotD0t: probably either in ~ (home) or /tmp02:23
GotD0tjonoxer: well i just checked and it said it was downloading all files to desktop02:24
socommGotD0t: Firefox should prompt you for a place to download a file whenever you are downloading anything.02:24
GotD0tsocomm: no, it defaults to a set location02:24
socommGotD0t: otherwise it should download to a predefined path, such as your `Desktop'.02:24
jonoxerGotD0t: go to Edit / Preferences / Downloads02:25
kapputubob any suggestions ?02:25
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GotD0tjonoxer: i just changed it... but still where are those files i just downloaded02:25
jonoxerIt should show the default d/l location02:25
socommGotD0t: Yeah *should* be your `Desktop'.02:25
jonoxerThey should be in the place it said *before* you changed it02:25
jonoxer;-)02:25
GotD0tyea.. but i already said they arent there02:25
GotD0ti checked02:25
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socommGotD0t: are you by any chance downloading tarballs from SourceForge.net?02:26
jonoxerGo to "tools / downloads"02:26
GotD0tsocomm: yea02:26
jonoxerThen find the download02:26
geppyIs there a java-plugin packages for mozilla in the repository?02:26
socommGotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror?02:26
jonoxerThen right click, and select 'properties'02:26
GotD0tsocomm: they showed up in the download window... i watched the progress bar02:26
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socommGotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror or not?02:27
GotD0tsocomm: yea02:27
GotD0tsocomm: and i did02:27
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GotD0tsocomm: and the download window shoed them downloading02:27
Yannick_is there a way of getting ntfs support without recompiling the kernel?02:27
jonoxerGotD0t: did you check the download properties like I said above?02:27
socommGotD0t: Okay, than something is probably fscked.02:27
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spikebhow long is the free cd offer going to last?02:27
geppyYannick_:  NTFS support is already in the kernel.02:27
Yannick_ah ok, kewl then02:28
GotD0tjonoxer: yes i did... it said default directory was desktop02:28
jiveraWho made the Ubuntu Linux preview live CD?02:28
GotD0tjonoxher: so i changed it to ~02:28
jonoxerGotD0t: no, after that where I said to go to the download manager, right click and select properties02:28
GotD0tbut the files that i had previously downloaded are not where its said they were supposed to be02:28
WWGotD0t: Maybe try Computer -> Search for Files...02:29
GotD0tjonoxer: i cant right click and select properties02:29
geppyAre there no java packages for mozilla in the repository?02:29
kapputuany suggestions for firefox extensions ?02:29
jonoxerGotD0t: go to "Tools / Downloads", find the download, then right click on it02:30
GotD0tkapputu: adblock02:30
jiveraI take it nobody knows where the Live CD came from then?02:30
GotD0tWW: its not showing up02:30
GotD0tWW: thats interesting02:30
jonoxerGotD0t: so you can't right-click on anything in the download manager?02:30
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daysonhow can I tell if I installed my ati drivers right?02:31
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spikebjivera, well, when a mommy livecd and a daddy livecd really love each other...02:31
WWdayson: Play tuxracer :)02:31
geppydayson:  do it like this: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:31
spikebjivera,  i have no idea, by the way, who's responsible for the livecd.02:31
geppydayson:  heh... yeah, play tuxracer, or run glxgears02:31
Yannick_does ubuntu play mp3?02:31
geppyYannick_:  Yes.02:31
mirak_yes02:31
spikebYannick_, it can.02:31
Yannick_thanx02:32
cardadordayson: you should restart x after installing the drivers :)02:32
daysonrestart what?02:32
geppydayson:  reboot02:32
daysonmy box?02:32
geppydayson:  Yes, that's the easiest way for you to do it.02:32
GotD0twoah, firefox is officially retarded02:32
daysonah well I would you see but I am downloading cs:source right now02:33
GotD0tit doesnt keep my settings02:33
geppydayson:  "X" is the graphical display.02:33
spikebhmm02:33
spikebGotD0t, that sucks02:33
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daysongeppy: danke02:33
cardadordayson: im not sure if cs source runs in linux...02:33
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daysongeppy: I will reboot once my download is complete02:33
geppydayson:  Alright.  :)02:33
daysoncardador: awe it has to!02:33
geppydayson:  CS:Source does _not_ run in Linux.02:34
cardadordayson: im afraid it wont run :(02:34
GotD0tsomething is seriously wrong...02:34
spikebi'd have to agree02:34
daysoncardador: what about third party games like natural selection?02:34
spikebbut what, i do not know.02:34
geppydayson:  Not under WINE, not under Crossover, and not under Cedega.02:34
cardadordayson: cs, hl, dod, etc, runs ok02:34
geppydayson: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki02:34
spikebut2k4 runs great :)02:34
geppyheh  :)02:34
daysonwill  Source work evetually?02:34
cardadordayson: yes, eventually02:34
geppyYeah.02:34
GotD0ti set it to ask me where to download every time... and im downloading to ~ but it tells me the file already exists... but i dont see it in the file browser02:34
jonoxerGotD0t: can you see it when listing in a terminal? Try opening a terminal, do 'ls -l' and see if the file is there02:35
Dekkardhmmm02:35
Dekkardgtkam wont detect my camera....02:36
Dekkardit worked under slack...02:36
GotD0tjonoxer: just a problem with the file browser02:36
GotD0tjonoxer: wasn't refreshing02:36
jonoxerah02:36
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spikebahh yeah02:37
spikebnautilus doesn't autorefresh that i know of02:37
spikeb(that's irritating)02:37
GotD0tit used to...02:37
GotD0tlike 20 mins ago02:37
cardadorbye all02:38
jiveraAnyone even know how I can find the live CD creator or get in contact with him/her/them?02:38
kapputufirefox with ubuntu is the latest ?02:38
GotD0tnope02:38
GotD0tdoesn't have firefox pr02:38
spikebkapputu,  no. it's 0.9.3 with a bunch of patches02:38
robertjIs there a nice gui util for burning isos?02:38
kapputuis 1.0 good ?02:38
spikebyes02:38
robertjI feel like I should learn something other than cdrecord02:38
spikebrobertj,  nautilus02:39
robertjspike: oh, how does that work?02:39
spikebrobertj,  i believe all you have to do is right click on the iso and there should be a menu entry02:39
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kapputuis firefox 1.0 in the apt-sources02:40
GotD0tnope02:40
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_avatari just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for the grub.conf but can't find it... can someone tell me where it is?02:40
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WW_avatar: I think you might want /boot/grub/menu.lst  ?02:41
spikebi dont have one either heh02:41
daysonokay this is also a dumb question but after I installed steam and cedega how do I use it again after I close it?02:41
spikebhmmm02:41
spikebno clue heh02:41
daysonits not on my menus02:41
caleb_i have an evolution crasher that i want to get a good stack trace from.  how can i get a debugging enabled evolution?  im not familiar w/ debs.  is my only solution to grab the evo code and compile by hand?02:42
spikebcaleb_,  fire up synaptic02:42
spikebcaleb_, search for evolution - there's a debug deb02:42
_avatarWW: thanks :) in gentoo it was called /boot/grub/grub.conf02:42
caleb_spikeb: rockin, thanks.02:42
spikebhmm02:42
spikebi thought there was heh02:43
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caleb_spikeb: i only see evo and evo-dev, nothing about debug02:45
spikebyeah same here02:45
spikebcaleb_, maybe i was seeing things02:45
GotD0tLathiat: you there?02:46
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spikebbah02:46
spikebit looks like i was02:46
WWspikeb: I know nothing about them, but "evolution-2.0 --help" shows an assortment of options related to debugging02:46
spikebcaleb_, see what WW said?02:47
kapputuis there a good IDE for remote development ?02:47
kapputufor ubuntu02:47
WWOoops, that should have been for caleb_...02:47
socommkapputu: you mean GNU/Linux?02:48
kapputuyep02:48
kapputuactually I should have said Gnome02:49
caleb_WW: yes but since i have a crasher, i need to stack trace.  evolution-2.0 --debug=hello, the file 'hello' is blank02:49
socommkapputu: yes, there is one I forget it's name though.02:49
Yannick_when I try to read mp3s with rhythmbox, its says I have no plugin to handle mp3, what do I do?02:49
socommkapputu: give me a second, I'll try to find it.02:49
caleb_i can get a stace trace, thats no prob via bugbuddy, however, since debug isnt compiled in the strace trace will not help the evo devs figure out the problem.02:50
WWcaleb_:   Well, it was worth a shot, anyway.02:50
caleb_WW: thanks :)02:51
WWYannick_: gstreamer0.8-mad02:51
socommkapputu: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/02:51
Yannick_WW, I need to install that?02:51
socommkapputu: anjuta, give it a whirl. It maybe what you're looking for.02:51
WWYannick_: I think that's the one.  Take a look in Synaptic.02:51
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KirschHey, I'm SSHed into another Ubuntu system, and my system is Ubuntu, how can I have it so if i run "firefox" it will display on my system02:52
Kirschif i run it now, it says DISPLAY not set02:52
jonoxerKirsch: first thing is you need to allow TCP connections to your local machine02:53
nictukusee -X for sssh, Kirsch02:53
WWKirsch: Try -X option02:54
jonoxerGo to "computer / system config / security"02:54
jonoxerturn off "always disallow TCP"02:54
Kirschdon't have security. hold on02:55
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jonoxeroops, sorry: computer / system config / login screen / security02:55
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jonoxerKirsch: that won't take effect until you next start X though02:56
jonoxerThen as they said above, try 'ssh -X ...' when you connect to the remote machine02:57
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jonoxerIf it still doesn't work there are a couple of things you can try, like exporting the display ("export DISPLAY=1.2.3.4:0.0" on the remote machine, where 1.2.3.4 is your local IP)02:58
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jonoxerYou may also have to do "host +9.8.7.6" on your local machine, where 9.8.7.6 is the IP of the remote machine02:58
geppywhy does apt ask for the ubuntu binary cd (which I don't have) to install rhythmbox?02:59
jonoxerSorry, "xhost +..."02:59
kapputuwhats xhost for ?02:59
socommgeppy: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list03:00
blahruswhen does everyone think that x86_64 support will be as good at i68603:00
jonoxerxhost lets you configure access control in X03:01
socommgeppy: you'll have to `#' comment out the `deb cdrom:' section to get rid of the cd-rom stuff.03:01
geppyxmms won't open:  it gives me this: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:01
geppyInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!03:01
geppysocomm:  Thanks.03:01
smoIs it not more likely that X forwarding isn't enabled on the server machine?  I believe that's the distro default03:02
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socommgeppy: don't forget to uncomment the other sections, and run `apt-get update' to refresh your apt-cache03:02
Yannick_WW, do I have to add some mirror 'cause I don't see anything related to mp303:02
geppysocomm:  alright, thanks. :)03:02
socommgeppy: don't mention it.03:03
visorhas someone had issues with the bootplash in either ati or nvidia cards, or am i just missing something?... i cant seem to properly set that thing and i havent found yet something in the FAQ's03:03
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geppyvisor: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto03:04
visorgeppy: thanks, does that would have to do with the bootsplash thing? i mean i have no propietary drivers in any other distro and bootsplash just worked ok, thanks anyway ill check it03:05
thoreauputicsmo, jonoxer, set X11 forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config03:05
geppyvisor: Erm, you shouldn't be able to have the bootscreen without the proprietary drivers, as far as I know.03:06
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visorgeppy: oh i see, thanks03:06
Kirschyep, just the -X worked, thanks.03:06
thoreauputicjonoxer: xhost + is not really a good idea - security issues03:07
LinuxJonesnight all03:08
visorim very surprised with this distro, it just works, i never saw a gnome-based distro actually working :S03:09
geppyhahaha03:09
geppyI agree for the most part, except the whole xmms-not-working thing.03:10
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Kirschhey, is there NTFS read support?03:10
geppyKirsch:  Yes.03:10
mdzgeppy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=172403:10
mdzjivera: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com would be the place to send live CD stuff03:11
jiveramdz: Thanks.03:11
mdzjivera: a number of people have worked on it03:11
jiveramdz: Do you know if the resources used to construct the iso are available anywhere?03:12
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geppymdz:  Should I add myself to the CC list?03:12
jivera(i.e. so that others could contribute to keeping it up to date?)03:12
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geppynevermind, sorry.03:12
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visorgeppy: xmms does not work?03:12
geppyvisor:  heh03:13
geppyvisor: Thanks to mdz, it does, now.  :)03:13
geppyvisor: I was missing a dependency.03:13
mdzthere is an odd bug in the nvidia drivers which breaks xmms, but there is an easy workaround03:13
visorgeppy: uhmm i see03:13
mdzI added a link to the BinaryDriverHowto now03:13
Chrifferjivera, I actually asked about the tools for the liveCD it was hinted that I should wait until after release to ask again, maybe I will check03:17
jiveraChriffer: It's after release now, isn't it?03:17
Chrifferit's based off of the morphix tool mmaker and isomorph03:17
Chrifferyes, I just didn't remember to check on it again03:17
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kapputuany good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?03:22
jiveraChriffer: Ah.03:22
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david_anyone know where ndiswrapper is?03:23
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Hikaru79Wow03:24
GotD0t?03:24
Hikaru79Been playing around with Ubuntu for the past hour or so03:24
jiveraThe Wiki says it's built into newer kernels.03:24
Hikaru79Man, this rocks ^__^03:24
jiveraBut you need ndiswrapper-utils.03:24
jivera(Either Wiki or FAQ talks about ndiswrapper... or maybe howto.  I forget.)03:24
david_I tried apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, and it isn't found in main restricted or universe03:25
Hikaru79It's on Synaptic03:25
Hikaru79I just searched03:25
Hikaru79Try taht03:25
Hikaru79*that03:25
NeoFaxI have an error evyrtime I try to install ubuntu. It gets to installing nic-extra-modules.. and then it erors by stating the md5sum errors03:26
kapputuany good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?03:26
NeoFaxHowever, the md5sum is good03:26
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david_OK, I just tried synaptic and searched ndiswrapper, and it was not found03:27
david_what repositories are you searching03:28
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daysonhow do I install a rpm file with fonts?03:29
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daysonbob2: can you install a rpm package on ubuntu?03:30
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jiveraYou can use alien to create a deb from an rpm.03:30
daysonhow do I do that?03:31
daysonI am really new to linux so I dont know how to do much03:31
thoreauputicdayson: are you sure you need this rpm?03:31
daysonI think I do03:31
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WWYannick_: Sorry, I've been on the phone for awhile.  Did you find gstreamer0.8-mad?03:31
daysonI need the fonts for a windows program I am runing in cedega03:32
kappututotem doesnt work03:32
kappututotem-gstreamer03:32
kapputuhow do i recompile mplayer with smb support03:32
thoreauputicdayson: Have you checked in synaptic t see if it's available as a deb?03:32
Yannick_WW, no03:33
daysonthoreauputic, its not there03:33
thoreauputicdayson: what is it? win ttf fonts or something like that?03:33
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daysonthoreauputic, yes its msfonts03:33
WWYannick_: That's strange.03:35
jonoxerthoreauputic: I know, I wasn't telling him to set "xhost +": I was saying to set "xhost +1.2.3.4"03:35
jonoxeror whatever the IP was03:35
Yannick_WW, i have to add universe repository?03:35
thoreauputicdayson: see if you can find a package called msttcorefonts03:35
thoreauputicdayson: I'm on debian , so it may be that package isn't available on ubuntu - but a deb for it exists03:36
jonoxerYes, msttcorefonts is in ubuntu (in "universe", anyway)03:37
thoreauputicdayson: it enables you to install ms fonts03:37
daysonthoreauputic, I found msttcorefonts and I'm installing that03:37
Yannick_WW, I found it, thanx03:37
daysonthoreauputic, thanks03:37
thoreauputicdayson: OK - no problem03:37
daysonI have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?03:38
GotD0tshut*03:38
geppykillall -9 wine03:38
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daysonI have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?03:41
geppydayson: killall -9 wine03:41
daysonoops shut it down^03:41
GoneBoBand wineserver03:42
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daysondanke!03:43
CrimzonCan anyone please tell me how to access my NTFS disks in ubutnu?03:43
Crimzonubuntu :P03:44
geppymount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>03:45
geppysudo mount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>03:45
GotD0tmedia?03:45
geppyor mnt03:45
geppyI thought gnome 2.8 used media?03:45
GotD0ti dunno... but mnt is where i was told when i first did it03:46
GotD0tand isnt it hda<disk identifier>03:46
nodaGotD0t: hda1 and hdb3 and hdd2 are all valid partition identifiers.03:46
GotD0toh03:46
kapputuhow do I compile mplayer with smb support03:47
nodaGotD0t: hda: IDE channel 1, master. hdb: IDE channel 1, slave. hdc: IDE channel 2, master. hdd: IDE channel 3, slave.03:47
TheMusokapputu: Have you checked the docs on how to build it?03:47
geppykapputu:  Don't; download it.03:47
geppykapputu:  Wait, mplayer has samba support?  I don't think that it does.03:48
GotD0tnoda: good to know03:48
daysonwait so how would I mount a windows partition on another drive?03:48
brettcarwhy would mplayer need smb support?03:48
GotD0tyea?03:48
nodaGotD0t: :)03:48
Crimzonit takes like 2 years to access my disks from "computer -> disks"... Something is very wrong here :(03:48
kapputuwell i tried to play a mp3 which was on another machine and it said that mplayer doesnt have smb support and asked me to build with smb support03:49
geppyOh.03:49
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thoreauputicdayson: in a terminal, try just typing  sudo fdisk -l (to see what your disks and partitions are)03:49
Hikaru79Is K3B meant to be used only in KDE, or is it fine to run it under GNOME as well?03:50
thoreauputicHikaru79: it's fine to run it anywhwere you wish03:50
thoreauputicHikaru79: it will run in any desktop environment or window manager03:51
regeya  gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.5) but 1:3.3.5-2 is installed.03:51
Crimzonthoreauputic: /dev/hda1 - HPFS/NTFS03:51
kapputueveryone is sleeping on #mplayer03:51
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thoreauputicCrimzon: on your machine, yes03:51
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Crimzonboth of them are NTFS03:52
geppyIn redhat, I would use "rpm -q <package name>" to see if a package was installed, and what version it was.  How do I do this in Ubuntu?03:52
thoreauputicCrimzon: not necessarily on someone else's03:52
ronaldraygunanyone able to help me get my sound working?  i can't remember what i did when i installed fedora but it was something simple.  now ubuntu won't play sound03:52
kapputuwhat's your sound card ronald ?03:52
rbradgeppy: dpkg --list03:52
ronaldraygunsb live 5.103:52
danielswhiprush: yeah, but running out to lunch, bbiab03:53
ronaldraygunit wasn't drivers or anything03:53
thoreauputicgeppy: dpkg -l | grep <packagename>03:53
Hikaru79thoreaputic: Thanks :) But if it runs fine under GNOME, why does it ask to install a whole bunch of KDE packages when you install it through synaptic? (Such as kdelibs)... is this normal?03:53
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thoreauputicHikaru79: yes - it needs those to work03:54
Hikaru79Oh, OK :)03:54
khcDoes ubuntu include hostap drivers>03:54
Hikaru79So it's nothing to worry about ^ ^:03:54
geppythoreauputic:  Thanks.03:54
kapputuwas your card detected ?03:54
LathiatGotD0t: am now03:54
kapputudo a lspci03:54
ronaldraygunyes03:54
kapputuhmm03:54
kapputuis the volume up ?03:55
khcronaldraygun: The yes is for my question?03:55
ronaldrayguni've opened volume control and made sure nothing's on mute and that everything's turned up a bit03:55
ronaldraygunkhc no03:55
regeyaguh.  nevermind.  I found the problem. :-P03:55
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treyh0how come sleep USED to work on my ppc with ubuntu03:55
treyh0but all of the sudden doesnt work anymore, with no package updates :/03:56
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GotD0tLathiat: i cant compile one of the components of SynCE03:56
LathiatGotD0t: which one?03:57
GotD0tLathiat: Libsynce03:57
LathiatGotD0t: you realise synce is in ubuntu....03:57
GotD0tis it?03:57
Lathiatit is03:57
GotD0tLathiat: hmm, never saw it03:57
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GotD0tLathiat: oh you're right03:58
bash_if someone repositoried new from ubuntu.. ?03:58
ronaldraygunanyone know how to "fix" a resized partition so that it can be read from again03:58
ronaldraygun?03:58
socommronaldraygun: resized how (EG: which utility).03:59
ronaldraygunmandrake installer CD03:59
geppyronaldraygun:  fsck?03:59
ronaldrayguni've had a look at fsck and resizing but it keeps whinging that the drive size is bigger than the volume size03:59
ronaldraygundespite me making sure i'm entering a smaller value04:00
socommronaldraygun: Okay, what sort of partition (File System)04:00
ronaldraygunext304:00
GotD0tLathiat: did you have to compile the tray from the source?04:00
LathiatGotD0t: i think so04:01
WWbash_: What did you mean?04:01
WWoh well04:01
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NeoFaxHas anyone actually done a install of ubuntu using KNOPPIX as stated in the wiki?04:02
ronaldraygunsocomm, i tried running fsck with no flags and it just kept whinging at me04:02
ronaldraygunand i was unable to resize it from there04:02
socommronaldraygun: I've never seen that error.04:02
daysonHello again can someone tell me how to get steam working right on cedega? I have both installed but when I go to run steam it gets locked up when trying to unock some half life 2 files can someone one please help me04:02
socommronaldraygun: try running `fsck -py'04:03
ronaldraygunok, i'll scoot on back later04:03
socommWhich will try to repair your partition, and assume yes to all questions.04:03
Despairdayson: hl2 is not supported by cedega yet. Also, cedega questions ought to be asked in #cedega.04:03
ronaldraygunwill that destroy any data?04:04
socommronaldraygun: no, it will repair any badblocks, and I think move anything bad to `/lost+found'04:04
daysonokay well I will ask that in #cedega but I do have another issue04:04
socommbad meaning bad data.04:05
ronaldraygunok, cheers04:05
daysonI cant change my screen resolution04:05
socommYeah, good luck.04:05
daysonI dont know if my vid drivers are messed up or what04:05
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bluefoxicythere's no full net install cds?04:09
geppyno04:09
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NeoFaxbluefoxicy: I wish there were.  I could then possibly install ubuntu without having to try all kinds of crazy configs04:10
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bluefoxicyi just don't want to download this whole cd04:11
socomm>:^)04:11
socommbluefoxicy: There are ways to customize your own ISO.04:12
NeoFaxI have like 3 cds burned of it, but all seem to not work.  I get md5sum errors.  The md5sum checks on the iso and the cd and all of the files on the cd.  However, when I try to install I get an md5sum error.04:12
socommbluefoxicy: though time consuming.04:12
NeoFaxsocomm: Could you explain how to turn a ubuntu CD into a netinstall CD.  Downloading the files from archives.ubuntulinux.com?04:13
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ronaldraygunsocomm, no luck04:14
thursdayhello all04:14
thursdayis there a way to get a grahpical boot instead of the text only boot?04:14
socommNeoFax: Haven't done it myself but I'm sure you can figure it out with enough work.04:14
thursdaylike where all the kernel and init script goes04:15
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Kirschis it possible to use the 32Bit version of flash on 64Bit?04:15
socommronaldraygun: have you tried http://www.google.com/linux04:15
ronaldraygunno04:15
KirschDoes Macromedia know that those people are probably very upset at them?04:15
Kirschlol04:15
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socommpaste the error verbatim into that search engine, and follow any relevant links.04:15
NeoFaxYeah, I have tried doing a PXE netboot with a TFTP server.  No luck.  I am going to start working on booting a KNOPPIX CD and then following the wiki by doing a chroot install.04:16
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kensaiis anybody here getting proper speed with the nvidia drivers?04:17
kensaion ubuntu?04:17
socommkensai: Yes.04:17
kensaiI have only 2000 fps04:17
geppyOnly 2000 FPS?04:17
kensaiand on onebaselinux I've had 300004:17
geppyWhat are you running, glxgears?04:17
geppyWell, then run onebaselinux.04:18
kensaiglxgears04:18
geppyI generally get around 2,000 FPS.04:18
kensaino I'm not saying it is better04:18
geppyon any distro04:18
FooManGNUHey all, I'm having some trouble with the install... When it gets to the kernel it dies with a package not found.  I md5'd the .iso and the cd and everything is kosher, any ideas?04:18
kensaiI'm not mad at ubuntu so don't tell me to go back04:18
kensaiwhat nvidia card you have?04:19
socommCan you really tell the difference once you hit 60+ fps?04:19
GotD0tLathiat: this is so irritating... i cant get it working04:19
Despairsocomm: yes, lower input and network latency in single-threaded games.04:20
kensaiis just a matter of curiosity04:20
Despairkensai: glxgears isn't a good benchmark, so it may just be a quirk caused by differening system configs.04:20
kensaiI guess what was boosting my nvidia speed was xorg04:20
LathiatGotD0t: heh whats the problem04:20
kensaiOhhhh thanks Despair04:21
Despairkensai: no, more likely the difference is in agp gart setting or in mtrr settings.04:21
thursdayanyone? how to gete a graphical boot going?04:21
kensaiin mtrr settings? Whats this.04:21
GotD0tLathiat: well i installed it via apt, it asked me a couple config questions... then after install i try sudo synce-serial-start and it tells me it cant find the device settings04:22
FooManGNUAnyone have _any_ clue??  I really want to play with this, but. . .04:22
Despairkensai: first step, make sure agpgart is enabled: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status (don't paste to channel)04:22
LathiatGotD0t: sudo synce-serial-config ttyS0 (or ttyS1 etc)....04:22
Despairfirst line should be `Status: Enabled`04:22
GotD0tLathiat: like i said... USB04:22
Lathiatoh04:22
Lathiatthen you still have to config it04:22
Lathiatdo you have a /dev/ttyUSB004:22
GotD0ttried... keeps telling me the device doesnt exist04:23
Lathiatlike.. ls /dev/ttyUSB004:23
Lathiatand the device will have to be plugged in and on for that to come up04:23
GotD0tit is04:23
Lathiatplug it in, do a dmesg, see if anythign came up04:23
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bluefoxicy           => `warty-release-install-amd64.iso.tmpdir/archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb'04:24
bluefoxicywtf is tihs04:24
GotD0tlathiat: its plugged in, but its not listed04:24
tsengbluefoxicy: uh, it was reverted because PR sucked04:24
WWGotD0t: unplug and plug in again?04:24
bluefoxicytseng:  the security fixes were backported?04:25
tsengyes04:25
bluefoxicygood04:25
bluefoxicyI was about to go stabbing at people from hell's heart04:25
bluefoxicyFound 10 of the 485 files required by the template04:25
bluefoxicyJigdo is so nice.04:25
bluefoxicyit finds 10 things then complains tehn finds the next 10 and eventually teh win.04:25
GotD0twhats jigdo?04:25
bluefoxicy...04:26
bluefoxicyit downloads files and assembles them into bigger files.04:26
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bluefoxicytseng:  have you used ubuntu?04:27
tsenguhm, yes04:27
bluefoxicyhow's it fare?04:27
bluefoxicyit's not going to blow up in my face like sarge did is it?04:27
tsengno04:27
tsengits nice.04:27
bluefoxicyoh good.04:27
socommbluefoxicy: no we just like to pose on IRC channels.04:27
bluefoxicythen I'll have something useful next time I decide to reinstall, instead of a 100M basic install CD :)04:28
LathiatGotD0t: no idea, try google...04:28
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PenguinBoy1evening guys!04:29
GotD0tLathiat: why are there so many tty's listed, but not the ttyUSB's04:29
bluefoxicytseng:  how many distros DO you have installed anyway?04:29
PenguinBoy1can someone analyze my problem04:29
tseng3 or 4 bluefoxicy04:29
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LathiatGotD0t: the ttys are pre-created04:30
tsengonly ubuntu at my home04:30
LathiatGotD0t: ttyUSB are only created if theres a USB serial device04:30
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socommPenguinBoy1: analyze this.04:30
PenguinBoy1lol04:30
PenguinBoy1lol04:30
bluefoxicyon the same machine04:30
PenguinBoy1lol04:30
bluefoxicyit had a 6 gig hard disk too.04:30
PenguinBoy1i am having trouble with apt-get update04:30
bluefoxicyAND it had win98SE04:30
GotD0tLathiat: but it doesnt list any of my USB devices (two of which i use on a regular basis)04:30
LathiatGotD0t: but are they serial usb devices?04:30
socommPenguinBoy1: more info please.04:31
LathiatGotD0t: like i said, ti only comes up if there is a usb *serial* device04:31
GotD0tLathiat: oh i dunno... does a printer count as a serial usb dev?04:31
LathiatGotD0t: i.e. a usb-serial convertor, etc04:31
LathiatGotD0t: and no, it doesnt04:31
LathiatGotD0t: nor does a mouse, or most usb devices other than those that present a serial driver interface04:31
PenguinBoy1Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)04:31
PenguinBoy1Reading Package Lists... Done04:31
PenguinBoy1edd: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.04:31
GotD0tLathiat: hmm04:31
LathiatGotD0t: like i said, google for your ce device and linux04:31
socommPenguinBoy1: try updating again, or try removing that repo from your sources.list.04:33
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PenguinBoy1thanks04:34
PenguinBoy1the proper syntax is apt-get update?04:34
geppyyes04:35
socommPenguinBoy1: Yes.04:35
PenguinBoy1thanks04:35
PenguinBoy1and the updates are automatically installed?04:35
geppyno04:35
geppyapt-get upgrade04:35
socommPenguinBoy1: no, that just refreshes your apt-cache.04:35
socommPenguinBoy1: to upgrade you'll need to run `apt-get upgrade'.04:35
WWPenguinBoy1: Just in case you're not aware of this: put "sudo" in front of all those commands.04:36
=== bur[n] er likes "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y" :)
PenguinBoy1ao is apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade the same command?04:36
=== WW uses Synaptic
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socommPenguinBoy1: no.04:36
thursdayhas anyone used bootsplash?04:37
ronaldraygunsocomm, i couldn't find anything really useful on google04:37
aLi`me thursday, but on gentoo04:37
ronaldrayguni can, however, mount the partition by editing fstab04:38
ronaldrayguni just can't open any of the folders because of permission denied04:38
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PenguinBoy1socomm what is the significance of sudo in the apt-get command04:39
thursdayaLi`, damn, i'm trying to get it going on may unbuntu laptop04:39
geppysudo gives you root priveleges04:39
geppyYou can't install packages as a user.04:39
socommsudo (8)             - execute a command as another user04:39
WWPenguinBoy1: Did you use sudo when you got the error ?04:39
PenguinBoy1no WW04:39
socommIn this case as the `Super User'.04:39
WWPenguinBoy1: There's your problem.04:39
PenguinBoy1but I was signed onto the root terminal04:39
WWPenguinBoy1: Oh. Nevermind.04:40
PenguinBoy1does apt-get use the repositorie listing from Synaptic?04:40
WWPenguinBoy1: Yes, they use the repository04:40
PenguinBoy1should all the repositories be checked in Synaptic?04:41
socommPenguinBoy1: synaptic is just a frontend for apt.04:41
WWPenguinBoy1: Just be sure none are duplicates.04:41
PenguinBoy1are deb and deb-src duplicates?04:42
WWPenguinBoy1: no.04:42
geppydeb = source code04:42
geppy~deb-src = source code04:42
geppydeb = binary installer04:43
geppyIf you get deb-src, you have to compile it yourself.04:43
socomm-dev == header files, needed for development purposes.04:43
PenguinBoy1can you add other repositiories to the Synaptic listing to make for a more complete system?04:43
geppyYes/04:44
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GotD0tLathias: hmm... well I could do a wireless sync with my win2k box04:44
socommPenguinBoy1: you need to add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list04:44
PenguinBoy1where can you get a listing of these repositories>?04:44
geppyUsing Synaptic, you can just add them with the GUI./04:44
WWPenguinBoy1: There is a Synaptic Howto on the wiki.04:44
geppygoogle.com04:44
socommPenguinBoy1: than `apt-get update'04:44
socommgeppy: I don't use synaptic.04:44
WWPenguinBoy1: FYI 'apt-get update' is the same as the Reload button in Synaptic.04:45
PenguinBoy1thankls04:45
PenguinBoy1can /etc/apt/sources.list be updated by adding repositiories through Synaptic?04:45
GoneBoByes04:46
PenguinBoy1or must you do both?04:46
WWPenguinBoy1: You can do it all in Synaptic.04:46
PenguinBoy1thaks04:46
socommPenguinBoy1: according to people here you can do it either way.04:46
visorgeppy: uhmm do you have lilo installed instead of grub? (sorry to bother, still cant do this bootsplash thing)04:47
geppyvisor:  No, I'm using grub.04:47
geppyIAre you trying to set up a grub bootsplash?04:47
geppyor lilo?04:47
WWPenguinBoy1: Settings->Repositories is a GUI for modifying sources.list04:47
socommvisor: there's an entry to getting a bootsplash on grub.04:47
socommvisor: on ubuntus wiki.04:48
visorgeppy: grub, but its odd, it doesnt even seem that bootsplash is installed04:48
geppysocomm:  Why does this channel not have a wiki bot?  so you can say ~wiki-bootsplash04:48
geppyor something like that04:48
GotD0tbecause that would be too easy04:48
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geppyvisor:  Are you talking about the grub bootsplash, or a bootsplash for when you're actually loading the OS?04:48
geppyGotD0t:  hahaha04:49
WWgeppy: Think of all the people who would lose their jobs if that happened...04:49
geppyhahahahaha04:49
visorgeppy: both of them, but at least the bootsplash would be nice (not the grub one, but rather the one when your loading the kernel)04:49
geppyWhat, y'all are getting paid for this?  =)04:49
geppyvisor:  check the wiki04:50
WWgeppy: Nah, I just hang out here for all the Ubuntu love.  Someday I hope to frolic nekkid with two beautiful young women.04:51
PenguinBoy1LOL04:51
PenguinBoy1LOL04:51
PenguinBoy1LOL04:51
PenguinBoy1me 204:51
socommgeppy: Don't know you'll have to ask some of the devs who hang out here.04:51
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GotD0thahaha, i love it... one of the google ads on linux.org is for a site labeled "Linus" but sells snoopy apparel04:52
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socommGotD0t: Peanuts has a character named linus.04:52
kapputuhi guys04:52
socommGotD0t: I believe it's that dude who plays the piano.04:53
kappututhe net has become slow04:53
GoneBoBkapputu: you need a turbo04:53
kapputuwhat's that04:53
GotD0tscomm: i know... i just think its funny that it happens like that04:53
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KentutMerahdoes ubuntu have a live-cd version ?04:53
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socommYes.04:53
GoneBoBkapputu: it's an impeller connected to a turbine, and is a positive feedback device04:53
GoneBoBhowever, I'm just pulling your leg04:53
kapputufrom there ?04:54
kapputuinteresting !!04:54
kapputu:-)04:54
kensaihow does one edit the swap partition size on install?04:54
GoneBoB:)04:54
GoneBoBkensai: select it and press enter?04:54
kapputuubuntu is great04:54
kapputufirefox with extensions is slow04:54
kensaiyeah but I change the size and hit enter and the size that was previosly selected stays04:55
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gobeavshi04:55
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FooManGNUWould anyone care to give me a wee pointer on how to get by the linux-i386 package missing?04:56
izaachi if i want to add an external packages source there will be no problem?04:56
socommFooManGNU: No. :^P04:57
mdzizaac: it depends on what is in the source04:57
izaacfor example the nerim sources one?04:57
mdzizaac: you do not need the nerim one; everything there is in multiverse04:57
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izaaclibdvdcss too?04:57
mdzizaac: well, not that04:58
izaacsee ;P04:58
FooManGNUSeriously though, I've found one post in the 'unoffical' (English) forum on this, and I'm not trying to do it via a knoppix install..04:58
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izaacso mdz: i  can?04:58
mdzizaac: you can, but don't blame us if it breaks :-)04:58
socommFooManGNU: don't know never had that problem myself04:58
mdzFooManGNU: what is the problem exactly?04:58
geppyFooManGNU: reburn the cd already04:59
FooManGNUInstall dies looking for the linux-i386 package..04:59
izaacmdz: then whare can i find the ubuntu libdvdcss or womething that no crashes with my ubuntu?04:59
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FooManGNUgeppy, md5'd the iso, cdrom burn, and checked, everything is kosher...04:59
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izaacor i need to do the package myself?04:59
geppyFooManGNU:  Yeah, but if it isn't working...04:59
gobeavshas there been any problems with partitioning and formatting reported?04:59
gobeavsMy system won't write the partition to disk05:00
FooManGNUgeppy, to add insult to it, the sucker install's under VMWare...05:00
gobeavsand I have tried a lot of combinations05:00
geppyFooManGNU: heh... ouch05:00
izaac=|05:00
izaacor i need to wait for the ubuntu lbdvdcss release :(05:00
WWizaac: Get it from marillat05:00
FooManGNUwhat's in /var/log/messages is it complaining that it can't stat the source package list file05:01
izaacWW: ok let me check05:01
FooManGNUTells me that I may want to run apt-get, then says it cannot find the linux-i386 package. . .05:01
mdzFooManGNU: I assume you mean linux-38605:02
mdzif it said linux-i386 that would be a very odd bug05:02
FooManGNUmdz, Nope, it's saying linux-i38605:02
mdzFooManGNU: what is the complete text of the error message?05:02
izaacWW: nerim is a marillat mirror :| 05:02
bur[n] erizaac: apt-get.org ?05:04
izaacok now, there will be no problem adding the blackdown source to get the j2sdk1.4?05:05
izaacbur[n] er: thanks i alredy try that05:05
FooManGNUmdz, put it on pastebin.com under my nick.05:05
PenguinBoy1thanks for the assistance guys...I am gonna go play with Synaptic!05:06
izaac:O05:06
WWHey GAIM/IRC gurus: What does is mean when someone's message is this:  (There was an error converting this message.  Check the 'Encoding' option in the Account Editor)05:06
FooManGNUI'm going to reburn the .iso file, just for mine and geppy's sake :)05:06
mdzFooManGNU: that is the first error?05:06
WWWW: Did the author use a nasty word?05:06
mdzbecause it sounds like your CD is broken05:06
mdzthat message doesn't mention linux-i386; was that in a different message?05:07
socommWW: the message is in a different character encoding.05:07
kapputuhow long does it take to get the free CDs ?05:07
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FooManGNUmdz, K, I'll assume it is a dead CD :/ I'd just eliminated it since the md5 was correct and I got a working setup from it in VMWare...05:08
kapputui ordered them almost 20 days back05:08
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mdzFooManGNU: in the same machine or a different one?05:08
mdzkapputu: /topic05:08
HeadHuntrwow   it's busy in here05:08
FooManGNUmdz, Same machine05:08
HeadHuntrhi folks   i just installed the warty on a p3 50005:08
mdzkapputu: the release only happened 5 days ago05:08
mdzkapputu: and it takes some time to have the CDs pressed05:08
HeadHuntri got warty to replace a very slow xandros and i'm very happy05:09
kapputunope i ordered the test releases ?05:09
kapputuyahoo doesn't work on gaim05:09
geppykapputu:  Oh?05:10
kapputugeppy: is that surprising or are you being sarcastic ?05:11
GotD0tkapputu: yea... i believe they changed their protocol in some way... as Yahoo didnt work on Trillian for windows05:11
geppykapputu: surprised05:11
geppykapputu:  Worked for me a week ago.05:11
geppykapputu:  Don't like !Y, though, so I haven't been on.05:12
geppydidn't re-add it to the accounts.xml after I installed Ubuntu.05:12
kapputui use it very rarely05:12
kapputuaccounts.xml ??05:12
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geppy~/.gaim/accounts.xml05:12
geppythe accounts config file05:12
WWI am trying to burn an ISO with Nautilus. I am using the "Write to Disc" option in the right-click menu.05:12
geppyuse k3b05:13
WWIs there a way to change the speed?05:13
geppyYes, use k3b05:13
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geppyonly decent KDE app05:13
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WWgeppy: Thanks, I may eventually use k3b, but I'd like to see if I can figure this out, too.05:13
Kirschis there x.org for ubuntu yet?05:13
kapputuit tries to login but doesnt05:13
GoneBoBKirsch: no05:13
FLeiXiuSgeppy, gnome > kde :-)05:14
socommkapputu: msn?05:14
FLeiXiuSbut I do have to say, k3b is quite nice05:14
kapputuyahoo05:14
KirschFLeiXiuS: :-)05:14
socommFLeiXiuS: k3b > nautilus cd burner05:14
WWIn the "Write to Disc" window, the Write Speed option is grayed out, but it says "Maximum possible"05:14
socommkapputu: use the yahoo messenger.05:14
thoreauputicWW: if you don't mind cli, the cdrecord program has many options for speed etc05:14
socommkapputu: actually have you tried upgrading gaim, some older version are locked out by Y!05:15
WWthoreauputic: I don't mind CLI, but I'd still like to see if I can do it in Nautilus.05:15
kapputuapt says the newest version is installed05:16
thoreauputicWW: OK - I don't know about that05:16
FLeiXiuSsocomm, definately k3b > all :-)05:16
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thursdayWW, yeah mine just workds... did you create the user manually by any chance?05:17
kapputuhmm why wouldn't gaim wok05:17
socommKDE 3.* freezes up on me for no obvious reason.05:17
socommkapputu: works here, you may need to upgrade.05:17
slade_how can i enable a user to su05:17
WWthursday: I am the only user, and the original installer.05:18
socomm/etc/sudoers05:18
kapputugaim 1.0.0 is old ?05:18
GotD0tyea05:18
GotD0ttheres a newer one... but afaik its only available on their site05:18
socommkapputu: gaim 1.0.0 + Y! works here.05:18
socommkapputu: maybe your password/username.05:19
kapputuhmm nope05:19
socommkapputu: 1.0.2 is out, you may want to give that a try.05:20
izaacwell i got problems installing the j2sdk package in their place i installed the GCJ one ;P i'll try the opensource way05:20
socommkapputu: if you're really desperate http://messenger.yahoo.com05:20
kapputuno am not desperate05:20
kapputubut i would like yahoo to work with gaim05:20
slade_socomm: my user is in the sudoers file05:20
slade_but i cant su -05:20
slade_nm i got it05:21
slade_sudo su -05:21
izaacslade_: use sudo instead05:21
GoneBoBsudo -s05:21
socommslade_: Okay.05:21
GoneBoBfives you a shell05:21
GoneBoBgives05:21
izaac=O05:21
WWI'm trying to duplicate a CD.  I created an image with dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso.  I then check that /dev/cdrom and file.iso have the same md5sum.05:21
WWThen used nautilus to write file.iso to a disk05:22
WWWhen I try to check the md5sum of /dev/cdrom, I get an error.05:22
WWerror processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error05:22
WWAny ideas?05:23
WWwait, don't tell me... use k3b :)05:23
thursdaylol05:23
thursdaythat sucks... mine just worked . :(05:23
kapputuwhat's k3b05:23
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WWkapputu: A very nice CD burning program.05:24
thursdaydoes anyone know what wiki engine powers the ubuntu wiki?05:24
kapputuic05:24
socommkapputu: A front end for cdrecord, cdrao, cdda2wav, etc...05:24
WWthursday: current: moin; future plone05:24
socommkapputu: in short a cd burning program05:24
kapputuis it a KDE program ?05:24
socommkapputu: yes, utilizes the QT library.05:24
thursdaythanks man05:25
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bhsxhi, i'm a gnome newbie, for sure.  I'm enjoying ubuntu very much as my first experience with it.05:25
kappututrying to find a good Perl IDE for GNOME05:25
geppy:)05:26
GoneBoBgvim05:26
geppykapputu:  how long have you been doing this?05:26
kapputuhmm for remote development05:26
geppylook on google.com/linux05:26
socommgvim == 'teh' suxor05:26
geppyYou'll be happier faster.05:26
kapputusomething like editplus for windows05:26
geppyvim == teh r0x0r05:26
kapputugeppy : doing what ?05:26
slade_kapputu: editplus is 1337\05:26
geppykapputu:  Looking for an IDE.05:26
socommkapputu: kate05:26
bhsxi'd like to know where nautilus mounts smb shares when the location bar says "smb://host/share"05:26
geppyslade: NO!!!105:26
geppy:)05:26
socommkate is all you'll ever need if you're into KDE.05:26
kapputuwhat's 133705:26
GoneBoBbhsx: it doesn't05:26
kapputuGNOME05:27
socomm1337 == elite.05:27
bhsxwell, i need to access that share via terminal, what's the command again... after mkdir /mnt/share is it "mount -t smbfs -o usre //host/share /mnt/share"?05:28
izaacoh man :| now i got problems with ogm tools05:29
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bhsxmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //gwy700gr/dvd,05:30
bhsx       or too many mounted file systems05:30
kapputuanything for GNOME ?05:30
bhsx??  what should i do about something like that?05:30
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jaywhere does gnome 2.8 store its filesystem icons?05:30
jaylooking for icon for smb share05:31
socommkapputu: gedit05:31
kapputufor remote development ?05:31
kapputui was suggested emacs + tramp05:31
jayanyone?05:32
socommDunno, I don't have any experience there.05:32
socommJay hold on.05:32
thoreauputicjay: /usr/share/pixmaps I think05:32
kappututhat's ok.. thanx for trying to help05:32
socommNevermind someone answered.05:32
jaydont see it there05:33
jayis there a filesystem directory05:33
socommjay: the system wide icons are stored there, you can install your own icon set under ~/.icons05:34
jayan smb share05:34
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kapputudint get any help for mplayer with smb support05:34
socommjaalto: http://www.gnome-look.org05:34
thoreauputicjay: open a terminal and do : locate icons | grep gnome | grep smb05:34
socomms/jaalto/jay05:34
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thoreauputicjay: that brings up a few results here - your mileage may vary05:35
kapputuhow do i install glib using apt ?05:36
socommkapputu: `apt-cache search glib | less'05:36
crimsunglib2 is already installed05:36
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crimsunif you're trying to compile something, then you need libglib2.0-dev05:37
bhsxis there a "PLF" of sorts yet for ubuntu?  a repository for things like win32-codecs and java amongst other "controvercial" packages?05:38
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jayfound it great thanks in /usr/share/icons05:38
geppygoogle.com05:38
socommbhsx: that's in the wiki somewhere.05:39
socommbhsx: I also wrote a tutorial on how to get mplayer going, if you're interested.05:39
bhsxyes, very05:39
bhsxthanks05:39
socommhttp://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer05:40
bhsxi do like the ubuntu cleanness, and I am going to give it a chance, but where's a good kde repository?05:40
geppybshx:  not on ubuntu05:40
Despairuniverse, multiverse05:41
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SuperQevening all05:41
geppyhave any of you used dbfs?05:41
geppyevening05:41
socommDragon Ball FS?05:41
socomm:)05:41
SuperQhaha05:41
geppySuperQ:  how did you arrive at "trogdor.likes.to.burninate.net"? =D05:41
WWFour coasters later, I guess I'll install k3b.05:41
geppyhahaha05:41
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SuperQgeppy: i own burninate.net05:42
geppydatabase filesystem: http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/projects/dbfs/05:42
socommMotoral had a chip called Dragon Ball something.05:42
geppySuperQ: Sweet.  :)05:42
SuperQgeppy: :)05:42
SuperQok.. so universe/squirrelmail is 1.5.0 which is based on the old unstable development package05:43
SuperQwhich had broken deps05:43
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SuperQsquirrelmail was moved back to 1.4.3a stable05:43
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SuperQit'd be nice if ubuntu folowed suit05:43
jayi need help... how do i make a shortcut for an smb share on my desktop?05:43
jayi want to click it and get it mounted05:43
SuperQjay: hrm05:43
socommjaalto: computer->network05:44
jayis it possible?05:44
socommgah sorry jaalto, I meant jay.05:45
bhsxsocomm, can you remind me of the correct syntax for mounting a passwd protected smb share?05:45
socommjay go to computer->network then copy that stuff to your desktop05:45
jayah ok05:45
SuperQyou should be able to drag a shortcut from Computer/Network05:45
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socommbhsx I'm not fortunate enough to have to deal with smb, sorry.05:45
kapputusocomm, I get two errors when i boot05:46
kapputusomething like modprobe, error pciehp operation not permitted05:46
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kapputusomething to do with the hotplug system05:46
kappututhis makes my bootup slow05:46
socommkapputu: you can get rid of that stuff, should be under /etc/init.d/05:47
kapputucan't find them there05:47
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jayno java still :(05:48
socommkapputu: /etc/init.d/hotplug05:48
jayno apt-get install java05:48
jay:(05:48
socommkapputu: I forget the proper way to get rid of it but you can move it to your /roots directory05:48
socommkapputu: and that will stop it from doing all that hot plug stuff at boot.05:48
GotD0tsocomm: thats a very well written mplayer tut05:48
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socommGotD0t: Thanks, though I really dislike it.05:49
GotD0tsocomm: why?05:49
jayany other way around getting java in ubuntu05:49
socommGotD0t: dunno, it still somewhat incomplete.05:49
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thoreauputicjay: java is "non-free" in the liberty/open sense - you wil have to go to the sun website to get it, unless you can locate a working blackdown java apt source (currently an issue)05:49
kapputumove entire hotplug file ?05:49
kapputuok one more thing05:49
kapputuit tries to look for a network interface05:49
GotD0tsocomm: just so you know, the codec tarball link is outdated05:50
kapputuand takes up a long time there05:50
jaythoreauputic, ok thanks05:50
jayi forget how to install the tar from sun05:50
jayso i guess i will wait on that05:50
socommGotD0t: I know that was just a lazy way to write it though.05:50
thoreauputicjay: read the instructions, if all else fails ;)05:50
socommGotD0t: Which is why it's still incomplete.05:50
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jayugh instructions :P05:51
WWOh man, k3b has goofy sound effects.05:52
izaacanyone know how can i play an ogm file?05:52
socommWW: hehe.05:52
socommizaac: mplayer05:52
crimsunizaac: mplayer05:52
socommizaac: anime?05:53
izaacsocomm: yeap05:53
GotD0thaha05:53
izaaci cant do it with the default media player that comes with ubuntu?05:53
crimsunogm has nothing to do w/ anime05:53
izaacTotem of something05:54
izaacor*05:54
crimsunyou can create a mp3 file wrapped with ogg called ogm05:54
socommcrimsun: lucky guess.05:54
crimsunor any movie file05:54
socommcrimsun: just that some anime subbers like to release their files under ogm because you can offer different language subs under one file.05:54
socommizaac: you may have to install the right codecs to play ogm under totem.05:57
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WWIf k3b needs cdrdao to burn CDs, why is that not a dependency in apt?05:58
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GotD0tWW: probably because it doesnt directly use any of cdrdao's files to run k3b05:59
GotD0tWW: if that makes sense06:01
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WWGotD0t: Sort of, but it sounds like a technical, hair-splitting distinction that only a dev would love.06:03
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SuperQok.. so i can't file bugs against universe06:03
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SuperQand there are bugs that can be fixed by syncing with sarge06:04
SuperQwhat's the procedure?06:04
SuperQam I just stuck with the crap in universe?06:04
GoneBoBif you wait.. for a short time06:05
GoneBoByou will be able to get packages from hoary06:05
SuperQok06:05
GoneBoBwhich will be cyned with current sarge06:05
SuperQok06:05
SuperQthat'd be good06:05
GoneBoB*sycned06:06
GoneBoBbah synced06:06
GoneBoByes :)06:06
GoneBoBthat should be within a few days06:06
SuperQcause I have a bunch of bugs that got fixed back in july with sarge06:06
SuperQand I have to get them re-fxied all over again06:06
SuperQhehe06:06
GoneBoBuniverse re-syncs with debian testing for each release06:06
SuperQhrm06:07
GoneBoBbut the packages can also be resynced on request, I'm not sure what the official line on that is though06:07
SuperQwhat about with stable?06:07
SuperQ(if sarge ever goes stable)06:07
GoneBoBthat'll be a topic for then, however it's highly likely to continue tracking testing06:07
SuperQdieman claims there will be some new form/procedure for sync requests06:07
SuperQok06:07
GoneBoBthere will be06:07
GoneBoBcurrently it's a case of ask06:07
SuperQok06:07
SuperQwhat about binary compatability?06:08
SuperQtaking packags built against hoary, and stuffing them into warty06:08
SuperQthat sounds awfuly messy06:09
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GoneBoBthis is why you have packages06:09
GoneBoBthat track dependancies :)06:09
SuperQheh06:09
GoneBoBbut if you want the latest stuff06:09
SuperQwell06:09
jdubGoneBoB: hoary will be synced from *sid*06:09
SuperQugh06:10
GoneBoBoh, I suck06:10
Pete-Gaswhat plugin do I need for ryhtmbox to play mp3's?06:10
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SuperQwell.. that's a major problem06:10
jdubwe have a period of syncing from sid06:10
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jdubthen we freeze06:10
jdubthen we sync only when required06:10
jdubfor bugfixes and so on06:11
blahrusanyone know if there is a port dvd::rip for ubuntu anywhere?06:11
jdubwhen hoary opens up, it'll be a world of pain to start ;)06:11
GoneBoBshould probably write a wiki for the sync06:11
dieman"I hope they've given some of these things more thought than I have as a relative outsider, and I'll just wait and see how it goes, while mercilessly exploiting them as much as I can. ;-)06:11
dieman"06:11
diemanheh06:11
diemanjoeyh doesn't exploit all of you as much as I do ;)06:11
diemancute though, reading http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html06:11
Pete-Gasrythmbox says that it doesnt have an mp3 plugin, so what do I need to install to get it working?06:12
SuperQman06:12
SuperQif the debian-amd64 guys weren't so messed up06:12
SuperQI wouldn't even bother with ubuntu-amd6406:12
SuperQatleast, for my server stuff06:13
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WWPete-Gas: I think it's gstreamer0.8-mad06:15
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jdubPete-Gas: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad06:15
Pete-Gasyea06:16
Pete-Gasthanks06:16
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Pete-Gashow come that isnt already installed by default?06:16
GotD0tgood question06:16
WWOK, k3b worked, and nautilus-cd-burner didn't.  How can I find out what speed nautilus tries to use?06:16
Dekkardmy hotplug is a lil borked...06:16
Pete-Gasyea I dont know if this is a know bug or not but hald dies when I plug in my ipod with usb206:17
jonoxerPete-Gas: because it's not part of the main ubuntu distribution, it's in the unsupported section06:17
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GotD0thmm... why wont an audio CD mount?06:22
GoneBoBthink about that for a minute06:23
GoneBoBand answer your own question :)06:23
jdubyou can't mount audio cds :)06:23
GotD0thmm?06:23
izaacyeah! dudes! i was able to play ogm and matroska with gxine ;D06:23
GotD0thaha06:23
jonoxerAs usual there's an exception: some audio CDs have data partitions too06:24
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izaacthanks for the help06:24
GotD0tthen how do i play the music?06:24
jdubGotD0t: you use the cd player06:25
GotD0tcan't xmms do it?06:25
izaacGotD0t: configure the cdplayer software to aim /dev/cdrom06:25
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izaacor whearever the dev is06:25
spikebis gxine in universe?06:25
izaacspikeb: yes it is06:25
spikebokie dokie06:26
spikeb:)06:26
izaac;)06:26
BarnabasCollinsanyone know if there is any cd art for Warty ??06:26
WWI have a LITE-ON COMBO LTC-48161H  CD/DVD drive.  According to HAL, storage.cdrom.write_speed=0. Is that normal?06:27
izaac0 is for maximum no?06:28
WWI think k3b complained about this when it started.06:28
berni need some help with memory usage and swap space06:28
GotD0tcan't xmms play audo cd's?06:28
WWizaac: Could be...06:28
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bohrbugWeird problem: Knoppix boots ok, screen looks good, Ubuntu Live CD boots but X-windows screen is shifted 2 inches to the right, with a 2 inch black border on the left side06:29
wm_eddieGotD0t: yes06:29
GotD0twm_eddie: how?06:29
wm_eddieYou know there's a GNOME cd player.06:29
GotD0twm_eddie: i like xmms06:29
wm_eddiexmms suchs.06:29
wm_eddieand sucks too.06:29
smoWW: fwiw, mine's set to 5540 (0x15a4) .. I've no idea what that means, but atleast shows they're not all zero06:30
wm_eddieI think you point it to /mnt/cdrom/ or maybe /dev/cdrom...06:30
WWsmo: Hmmm...06:30
izaac=/06:30
WWsmo: (Thanks for checking!)06:31
psyklopsbohrbug.... uh... adjust your monitor?06:31
WWWell, I've been telling people to just right-click to burn ISO.  Now I'm not so sure about that.06:31
spikebmine burns dandy06:32
spikebno idea what any of this set stuff is06:33
berni need some help with memory usage and swap space06:33
bohrbugpsyklops: Can't do it, integrated LCD06:33
izaacWW: it isn't 100% sure to work in all cases06:33
GotD0twhy do so many people hate xmms?06:33
wm_eddieGotD0t: Because it sucks...?06:33
WWizaac: You mean using the maximum speed isn't sure to work?06:34
psyklopsbohrbug: since its a live CD you can't really do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... hmm06:34
GotD0twm_eddie what sucks about it?06:34
wm_eddieThe interface, it's way of organizing music.06:34
bob2bohrbug: file a bug06:34
izaacWW: no i mean the process of burning a cd simple going and right click on a image06:34
GotD0ti like the minimalist interface...06:35
wm_eddieGotD0t: it's far from minimalistic.06:35
bohrbugpsyklops: WHat I did was also to install the ubuntu system, screen didn't work, so I booted knoppix and copied the XFConfig-4 to ubuntu, but with no success06:35
GotD0tits simple...06:35
WWizaac: But doesn't that just run nautilus-cd-burner?  So nautilus-cd-burner isn't gauranteed to work???06:35
wm_eddieMuine is minimalistic and it's better than xmms.06:35
wm_eddieit's not simple either.06:35
izaacGotD0t: i lijke xmms too06:35
bob2GotD0t: if you relly want xmms-cdread can let xmms play cds06:35
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WWizaac: ... say it ain't so!06:35
GotD0ti figured it out06:35
GotD0tit works without that06:36
psyklopsbohrbug: maybe knoppix loads different video drivers06:36
izaacWW: i think so, cause nautilus cdburner not guarantee you to burn properly a DVD image for example06:36
bluefoxicydude06:36
bluefoxicynot fair06:36
bluefoxicycome on.06:36
bluefoxicyhow the hell do I install the Nuvola theme in gnome06:36
bluefoxicyand chunks of crap are missing06:36
bluefoxicyI don't know how much of Gnome I have06:36
bluefoxicyit installed without gnome-panel or nautilus06:36
bluefoxicyor metacity06:36
bohrbugpsyklops: Nope, but maybe they use different versions of Xfree06:36
bluefoxicyso it installed basically nothing06:36
WWizaac: If that is true, the option should be disable! Or simply removed!06:36
joembluefoxicy, try to install the ubuntu-desktop package06:37
wm_eddieAnd Quod Libet is going to be an awesome music player once it's finished.06:37
joemshould depend on everything in a stock desktop06:37
bluefoxicy/dev/hda3             1.4G  881M  514M  64% /06:37
bluefoxicyjoem:  is that wise?06:37
izaacWW: i though the name says so.. cause is nautilus-_CD_-burner06:37
izaachehehe06:37
WWizaac: ?06:37
joemit is installed by default, but since your default install seems to be borked, should try it06:37
bluefoxicyjoem:  how much space will it require06:38
bluefoxicyI have 514M free you know.06:38
psyklopsbohrbug: no idea...06:38
joemwell, iirc the required about of space for the normal install is 1.8 gig06:38
wm_eddietime for bed.06:38
psyklopswow...06:39
GotD0thav efun06:39
izaacWW: sorry if i dont explain myself clearly cause i dont speak english so good06:39
psyklopshow much does something like fluxbox take...06:39
bohrbugpsyklops: Me neither, cause it's such a weird problem. I'll stick to debian, cause that works. Thanks :)06:39
bluefoxicythunderbird doesn't seem to like ~/.thunderbird06:39
WWizaac: I think I see what you meant... but I was burning CDs, so it should work.06:39
bluefoxicyit thinks I have nothing.06:39
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psyklopswell, I see little difference between ubuntu and debian anyway06:40
GotD0ttrust me izaac: your english is much better than most peoples at my old high school06:40
psyklopsexcept that ubuntu comes with all the p-to-date stuff installed already06:40
wm_eddiepsyklops: That's a good thing :)06:40
izaacGotD0t: thanks dude ;D06:40
joemalso has a 6 month release cycle06:40
wm_eddieThe 6 month release cycle is what is most important for me I think.06:41
bluefoxicyok this is broken so back to gentoo.06:41
izaacWW: well but it isn't good enough as k3b for example with a lot of options and features06:41
bob2wow, bleufoxicy is still an idiot no matter what distro he uses06:41
psyklopshm, I don't feel like reinstalling my whole system when another release comes06:41
DJ_Stefan0I have installed Ubuntu but i cant load up X, ive tried both "vesa" and "ati" settings. I have an Athlon 64 3400+ and ATI X800 pro and ive tried the latest 64bit Ubuntu.. it worked a bit with X but then it crashed, can u tell me what version of Xfree86 it uses so i can report a bug?06:42
joembob2, heh06:42
wm_eddiepsyklops: dist-upgrade :)06:42
psyklopsyeah, thought so06:42
wm_eddieand you don't have to upgrade, there's support for one year.06:42
psyklopsI tried that once though, and lost EVERYTHING06:42
izaacGNOME still lacks in a Burning app, like k3b06:42
psyklopsit was in knoppix...06:42
bob2psyklops: um, file bugs then06:42
izaaca good one i mean06:42
bob2psyklops: dist-upgrade works for nearly everyone else06:42
bob2psyklops: oh, knoppix? that's not supposed to work.06:43
bob2izaac: nautilus06:43
psyklopsheh06:43
psyklopsyeah06:43
psyklopsit was a harddrive install06:43
GotD0twow... this cd is pretty good06:43
psyklopsand I thought I would be upgrading everything06:43
joemizaac, there is one in the works06:43
wm_eddieSomeone should port k3b.06:43
GotD0tseriously06:43
wm_eddieIf there's one qt app I'd use, it'd be K3b.  It's pretty good.06:43
bob2psyklops: yes, knoppix hard drive installs are useless06:43
joemno, k3b is ugly and uses cdrecord06:43
wm_eddiebut nautilus handles pretty much all I need.06:43
izaacjoem: what's its name?06:43
joemizaac, coaster-burn.org06:44
wm_eddiejoem: well it can't help but be ugly, it uses qt after all :P06:44
Hikaru79wm_eddie: port it to what?06:44
izaacjoem: :O thanks for the tip06:44
wm_eddiegtk06:44
schweebthey're kinda slacking on coaster lately06:44
wm_eddiecoaster is probably better though.06:44
WWwm_eddie: Nautilus just created four coasters, but k3b worked.06:44
psyklopsbob2: well, it worked well enough for what I needed06:44
bob2psyklops: except it broke when you updated06:45
DJ_Stefan0what version of Xfree86 does the latest amd64 Ubuntu use06:45
DJ_Stefan0?06:45
bob2DJ_Stefan0: 4.306:45
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DJ_Stefan0thanx06:45
bob2DJ_Stefan0: it's only ever used one version, you don't need to "know"what version you have06:45
spikebeh06:45
spikebbah06:45
psyklopsbob2: oh well06:45
wm_eddieok, now real sleep06:45
DJ_Stefan0im reporting a bug06:45
GotD0twhat is tla?06:47
jonoxerThree Letter Acronym?06:47
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TreenaksGNU TLA06:47
lifelessGNU Arch06:47
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RuffianSoldierDAMN! UBUNTU DROPPED FROM 3 ON DISTRO WATCH TO 17!06:47
RuffianSoldierGRR06:47
joemGotD0t, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/06:47
Treenakshttp://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/06:47
joemnice try loser06:48
TreenaksRuffianSoldier: download more!06:48
bluefoxicyok06:48
bluefoxicysuggestion here06:48
RuffianSoldierlol06:48
bluefoxicyGnome is pretty useless without X06:48
bluefoxicyand it doesn't seem to depend on anything that depends on anything that installs an X server.06:48
bluefoxicythis was the same problem I had with sarge06:48
jonoxerHehe, yeah it's related to Arch06:48
bluefoxicyit took me like 2 hours to get it to start06:48
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bluefoxicysooooo . . . why not rectify that some time?06:48
GotD0twhat you talkin bout... its #406:49
joembluefoxicy, no, it does06:49
bluefoxicy"Ah, the tetsaiga has become a lot heavier I see"  "It's a lot heavier ya stupid jackass >:("06:49
bluefoxicyjoem:  not for me.06:49
WWHmmm... just checked an older CD that I burned with nautilus (but didn't verify the burn), and it's bad, too.06:49
bluefoxicyit didn't complain in the least.06:49
psyklopsmaybe he's looking at the "daily" list...06:49
bluefoxicyit recommended it06:49
bluefoxicybut it didn't depend on it.06:49
joembluefoxicy, at a quick glance, I can see libgtk depending on xlibs06:49
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WWThat was the warty LiveCD that I haven't tried yet!06:50
bluefoxicyand it didn't automatically depned on it.06:50
bluefoxicyjoem:  yes, it does want xlibs06:50
bluefoxicyjoem:  xlibs is not an x server.06:50
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psyklopsactually, it is 17th to me too...06:50
joembut you can follow the trail of depends06:50
bluefoxicyjoem:  It needs an X server.  xlibs let you talk to an xserver, like kdrive or xorg-x11 or xfree8606:50
bluefoxicyI had xlibs06:50
bluefoxicybut it didn't complain about not having x-window-server or whatever it was.06:50
WWBefore I file a bug about nautilus-cd-burner, does anyone have any suggestions of further tests I could try?06:51
bluefoxicyand when i ran /etc/init.d/gdm start, it said it could'nt find /usr/X11R6/bin/X06:51
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bluefoxicyso I installed x-windows-server or something like that and it suddenly worked; though it took me about an hour poking around.06:51
psyklopsWW: hmm... I don't know what you're trying to do... *reads back*06:52
joembluefoxicy, something was obviously wrong with your install, since you were missing lots of gnome components as well06:52
bluefoxicyjoem:  custom install.  I didn't have the 1.8G so I started from scratch06:52
lifelessarh06:52
WWpsyklops: Just buring ISOs with nautilus.06:52
bluefoxicyjoem:  But I expect it to actually install an X server when i tell it I want gnome06:52
bluefoxicybecause gnome is an X program that needs to run under an X server06:52
gobeavsis there a bug with the partitioning? I tried to partition and format in the 64bit edition, and it kept coming up with errors..I tried with the reiser, ext3, and the auto-config...any sugestions?06:52
lifelessbluefoxicy: actually, gnome is a xclient program, not an xserver program. (I've used it happily like that, gnome on my server,windows on my desktop with a local XServer.)06:53
Lathiathelps to know what the error said and what specific information you wereputtingit06:53
RuffianSoldierOH GOD! I LOVE DEBIAN! SOOOO MUCH!06:54
bluefoxicylifeless:  ah, so an xserver is not required?06:54
WWRuffianSoldier: ...and Debian wuvs you too.06:54
lifelessnot on the same machine, no.06:54
RuffianSoldierYAY! WW!06:54
bluefoxicylifeless:  it also seems to not depend on metacity (window manager), nautilus (to draw the icons/desktop), and gnome-panel (for menus and task bar)06:54
lifelessthose, I can't comment on. there is a gnome-desktop though, that IIRC brings in everything.06:55
bluefoxicywhich pretty much means it dumps you to a blue screen where mouseclicksa nd keycombos do nothing.06:55
bluefoxicyah!06:55
bluefoxicygnome-desktop06:55
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bluefoxicywhat of thunderbird?06:55
psyklopsWW: no idea... go for it06:55
bluefoxicyI have ~/.thunderbird/ on gentoo, share my home directory, but thunderbird on ubuntu thinks there's nothing06:55
lifelessbluefoxicy: no idea sorry.06:55
RuffianSoldieri use Xemian evolution06:56
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RuffianSoldierMUST GET POTATO WEDGES!06:57
skvidalI was reading on one of the debian or ubuntu blogs about potential python-dpkg bindings06:57
skvidalany headway on that?06:58
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WWmmmmm.... potato wedges....06:58
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RuffianSoldierwho here supports Bush, and who supports Kerry?07:06
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LathiatI support your mum07:06
psyklopsI don't _support_ either of them...07:07
psyklopsI wish there was an alternative...07:07
RuffianSoldiernader :-p07:07
RuffianSoldieri hate him, he will just let bush win07:07
RuffianSoldierive had enough of that coke sniffer lune07:07
psyklopsso, how goes his chances?07:07
RuffianSoldierslim07:08
RuffianSoldiereveryone knows he wont win07:08
RuffianSoldierso why vote for him07:08
psyklopsyeah... may as well vote for kerry...07:08
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RuffianSoldierhes not bush. thats why i like kerry07:08
RuffianSoldier:-p07:08
WWRuffianSoldier: Take is somewhere else.07:08
WWs/is/it/07:09
RuffianSoldierlol07:09
RuffianSoldierok07:09
psyklopsI don't care so much that he may continue to make mistakes... just as long as its not done in the same way as we always have been with Bush ("stay the course" ugh...)07:09
WWpsyklops: Now don't you start...07:09
WW:)07:09
RuffianSoldierlol07:09
RuffianSoldieri agree psyklops07:09
RuffianSoldierVote Linus!07:09
psyklopsand that will be the end of it07:09
psyklopsfor the sake of the topic07:10
RuffianSoldierhow about this, VOTE LINUS!07:10
psyklops not so sure about that...07:10
WWYou BUSH guys IS are A going BLITHERING off MORON topic.07:10
RuffianSoldierfine07:10
RuffianSoldierBill Gates!07:10
Lathiatim sure linus mentioned something abotu worled domination last time i saw him... :P07:10
thoreauputichehe - I second the VOTE LINUS!07:10
RuffianSoldierhow about, VOTE GATES!07:10
bluefoxicyWW:  stfu, bush is winning07:10
psyklopssure he can code a hulluva kernel, but can he bring FREEDOM to the world?! (sarcasm...)07:10
DJ_Stefan0i third the Vote Linus07:10
thoreauputiconly problem - he's a Finn07:10
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cfactoris it hotplug that loads up the network drivers?  What would be the ubuntu way to choose a different network driver?07:11
RuffianSoldierVOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!07:11
bluefoxicylinus can't be president, he's not within bounds as defidned by the constitution, IIRC article 2 section 307:11
Lathiatcfactor: hotplug yes07:11
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Lathiatcfactor: whats the problem, e100 vs eepro100 or something?07:11
pupilzengHow to disable IPv6?07:11
Lathiatpupilzeng: Why do you want to?07:11
cfactorNo, I just want to use hostap instead of orinoco_pci.07:11
LathiatIt shouldn't cause any problems07:11
RuffianSoldierVOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!  (Sun Microsystem CEO)07:11
bluefoxicymembers of senate must be US citizens for 14 years, president must be natural07:11
bluefoxicyor something.07:12
Lathiatcfactor: well you could put it in the blacklist list in /etc/hotplug07:12
Lathiatcfactor: and load it yourself07:12
Lathiatim sure theres an override or something07:12
pupilzengresolving domain name is so slow07:12
thoreauputicRuffianSoldier: I'd rather vote for Hitler07:12
RuffianSoldierlol07:12
Lathiatpupilzeng: One particular domain or all of them?07:12
pupilzengAll07:12
LathiatThat shouldnt be the fault of ivp607:12
Lathiatwhats in /etc/resolv.conf?07:12
psyklopsHey, hitler without the genocidal dreams might not be so bad :P07:13
DJ_Stefan0can sum1 tell me what setting should i try for Xserver on the amd64 version of Ubuntu for my graphics card: ATI Radeon X800 Pro07:13
DJ_Stefan0?07:13
cfactorso modules.conf would be the correct way?07:13
pupilzengLathiat: it's all right, just as Windows07:13
bluefoxicythe newest xorgs can do 3d on 9200 radeons07:13
bluefoxicywith IGP32007:13
Lathiatcfactor: i have no idea how hotplug figures out what to load07:13
Lathiatpupilzeng: oh you want to disable ipv6 in windows?07:13
RuffianSoldierwhich is better?  Xfree86 or X.org?07:14
pupilzengno, I want to disable it in ubuntu07:14
DJ_Stefan0I have so far tried vesa (didnt work at all), ati (flickered for a while but crashed)07:14
thoreauputicpsyklops: err... and without the serious mental illness and anti-semitism, and.....<insert psychotic idea here.07:14
DJ_Stefan0is there any other generic setting i could try for my card?07:14
WWIf you were an Ubuntu developer, and someone filed a bug that said "nautilus-cd-burner didn't burn an ISO correctly", what information would you want?07:14
pupilzengI mean the name servers setting is the same as WIndows07:14
Lathiatpupilzeng: like i said, whats in /etc/resolv.conf07:14
cfactorI'm wondering if hotplug is smart enough to read modules.conf and work accordingly.  I guess I'll have to RTFM.07:14
RuffianSoldier07:15
pupilzengnameserver 202.112.26.3407:15
pupilzengnameserver 202.120.2.10107:15
pupilzengnameserver 198.51.22.1107:15
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Lathiatheh /etc/hotplug/blacklist07:15
Lathiat# causes no end of confusion by creating unexpected network interfaces07:15
Lathiateth139407:15
RuffianSoldiermmmmmmmm win3207:15
thoreauputicRuffianSoldier: what are you smoking? Can I have some?07:16
RuffianSoldierya!07:16
RuffianSoldier$2007:16
thoreauputiccheap07:16
WWIt's the potato wedges...07:16
psyklopspirated ;)07:16
pupilzengI want to know which program load the module ipv607:17
RuffianSoldierGates/Jobs 04'!07:17
RuffianSoldier:-p07:17
Lathiatpupilzeng: id get there if you just told me what i wanted to know first...07:18
RuffianSoldierWell, i hope Ubuntu had a fun time as #3 on distrowatch, its now #17 :-(07:19
Lathiathaha howd it get to #307:19
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psyklopshits per DAY07:19
RuffianSoldieri dont knjow07:19
RuffianSoldierya07:19
thoreauputicWW: re nautilus - it would probably help if you could run it with a debugger mode e.g. with gdb07:19
psyklopsmore days...07:19
RuffianSoldierhttp://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4 there its n#407:20
thoreauputicRuffianSoldier: this is now known as the yoper effect, I believe07:20
RuffianSoldierJEEZ! HOW LONG HAS MANDRAKE BEEN #1?07:21
RuffianSoldierwtf is yoper effect07:21
Hikaru79Mandrake is #1? o_O;07:21
RuffianSoldierisnt Yoper a distro07:21
pupilzengLathiat: Sorry for my broken English. Which program loads the module ipv6?07:21
thoreauputicyoper was very popular when it was new07:21
Lathiatpupilzeng: Your english hasn't been broken, I just wanted to know what was in /etc/resolv.conf (I'm an ipv6 developer see, and i was interested to see if there was a problem I can look at)07:21
RuffianSoldierIC07:21
Lathiatpupilzeng: add ipv6 to /etc/hotplug/blacklist07:21
Hikaru79Haha, Ubuntu's beating Debian :D07:21
Lathiatpupilzeng: and it shouldnt load anymore07:21
thoreauputicthus, "yoper effect" == "new distro effect"07:21
WWthoreauputic: I'm not familiar with using debuggers.  Also, it doesn't crash.07:22
RuffianSoldierHikaru79, ya, I never liked strait Debian, but i only use Debian based distros07:22
PizbitArgh, someone feeling like checking my maths? If I transfer 244MiB and it takes 86 minutes, what is the average transfer rate in KiB/s?07:22
WWthoreauputic: If I hadn't checked the md5sum, I might not have known something was wrong with the CD.07:22
thoreauputicWW: well, there's strace as well - problem is finding what the cli command for the nautilus cd burner actually is07:23
pupilzengthe resolv.conf is like this:nameserver 202.112.26.3407:23
pupilzengnameserver 202.120.2.10107:23
pupilzengnameserver 198.51.22.1107:23
WWthoreauputic: Remarkably, it is nautilus-cd-burner :)07:23
Lathiatpupilzeng: ok well then yeh, IPv6 should have no effect on your domain resolution07:23
pupilzengLathiat: You mean ipv6 is loaded by hotplug?07:23
Lathiatpupilzeng: but none the less, if you add ipv6 to a line in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then it shouldnt load07:23
Lathiatpupilzeng: i think so07:23
thoreauputicWW: hehe... wow a logical gnome command :)07:23
Lathiatone way to fine out...07:23
pupilzengbut why the domain resolution is so slow?07:24
Lathiatpupilzeng: Not sure, your name servers might be broken07:24
Lathiatpupilzeng: could have network issues07:24
WWthoreauputic:  :)07:25
Lathiatpupilzeng: I have to head off, if you want drop me a line on ubuntu@lathiat-spam.bur.st if you find that ipv6 fixes it07:25
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pupilzengLathiat: Ok, thanks07:25
thoreauputicWW: well if you run nautilus-cd-burner from a terminal, does it spit out error messages as you attempt to use it? The devs would be interested in those07:25
Zubthemaster9can anyone help me out with a problem?07:25
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Zubthemaster9Just installed Ubuntu07:26
thoreauputicZubthemaster9: I can give you the address of a good shrink...07:26
Zubthemaster9hmm, query me later :D07:26
WWthoreauputic: I'll try it again and see what happens.  I was just looking for a "verbose" option among nautilus-cd-burner's command line options.07:26
thoreauputicZubthemaster9: ;)07:26
Zubthemaster9thereauputic: ^^07:27
Zubthemaster9*thoreauputic07:27
Zubthemaster9whoops07:27
Zubthemaster9eheh07:27
Zubthemaster9and for some reason, I can't access the internet.. Do i need to get compatible drivers for my ethernet card od is that not necessary?07:27
thoreauputicWW: ~$ man nautilus-cd-burner07:28
thoreauputicNo manual entry for nautilus-cd-burner07:28
thoreauputicSee 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.07:28
RuffianSoldier"Have you mood today?"07:28
thoreauputicWW: I hate that...07:28
pupilzengexit07:28
thoreauputicRuffianSoldier: apt-get moo07:28
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Ruffian_JANEhey all, im on my computer "JANE"07:29
RuffianSoldierHI!07:30
RuffianSoldierRuffianJANE!07:30
Ruffian_JANEi am you! you are me!07:30
RuffianSoldierso?07:30
thoreauputicwhere's RuffianTarzan ?07:31
Zubthemaster9:D07:31
WWthoreauputic: I didn't learn much from07:31
RuffianSoldierbrb07:31
RuffianSoldierwait07:31
RuffianSoldiernvm07:31
WWnautilus-cd-burner --help07:31
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Ruffian_JANEnautilus-cd burner?07:31
Zubthemaster9does anyone have any idea why I wouldn't be able to access the internet when using ubuntu?07:31
RuffianWWDEBAIN! YAY!07:32
Ruffian_JANEHEY! F U WW! :-)07:32
thoreauputicWW: heh - "invalid image" or something. right?07:32
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Zubthemaster9when it works on a win partition on the same comp?07:32
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Ruffian_JANEdo you have your nick registerd WW?07:32
thoreauputicZubthemaster9: umm... incorrect configuration... What are you using? cable? DSL? I guess cable, right?07:33
Zubthemaster9cable, yeah07:34
WWthoreauputic: I haven't seen "invalid image".  But when I try "md5sum /dev/cdrom" on a CD burned with nautilus, I get an error.07:34
thoreauputicZubthemaster9: what does ifconfig eth0 say?07:34
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Zubthemaster9you mean, when booting up?07:35
WWRuffian_JANE: Probably not.07:35
Ruffian_JANEMUST............ WALK............ DOG................07:35
Ruffian_JANEbbl07:35
Zubthemaster9dunno, goes by too fast to read lol07:35
Zubthemaster9^^;07:35
thoreauputicZubthemaster9: run ifconfig eth0 in a terminal (don't paste it though)07:35
Zubthemaster9if or ip?07:36
thoreauputicifconfig eth0  (that's a zero)07:36
Burgundaviaif07:36
Zubthemaster9ah, k07:36
Burgundaviainterface config07:36
Burgundavianot like ipconfig in windows07:36
Zubthemaster9be back in one second then ^_^07:36
Zubthemaster9right, that's what I;m used to07:36
Zubthemaster9ok, one second ^^07:36
Hikaru79What's the ubuntu equivalent of Knoppix's "netcardconfig" ?07:37
Burgundaviagui or cli?07:37
blacknyxCould someone maybe help me mount my 2nd hard drive which is in ext3 format?07:38
Burgundaviasure07:38
GoneBoBnetwork-admin07:38
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Burgundaviablacknyx: do you want to mount it just once or at every boot?07:38
blacknyxevery boot07:38
Burgundaviathen you need to edit /etc/fstab07:39
blacknyxThats where I'm at right now07:39
blacknyxI want to mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda07:39
blacknyxI currently have 1 user07:39
blacknyx/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000 0 007:39
blacknyxand I get the error, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, or too many mounted filesystems07:40
Burgundaviaare you sure it is at hda1?07:40
mdzblacknyx: umask is not a valid option for ext307:40
blacknyxI believe so.07:40
blacknyxcan I post ever so small commands in here?07:41
mdzblacknyx: it was not a question, it was a statement of fact07:41
mdzumask is not a valid option for ext3, and that is the problem07:41
blacknyxmdz, Im not questioning you at all, I believe you.  I'm just wondering now if I'm trying to mount the right partition also.07:42
blacknyxCould you tell me how to mount ext3 then?07:42
mdzdelete ",umask=0000" from that line07:42
Burgundaviatry removing the umask and remounting and see if that works07:42
thoreauputicblacknyx: sudo fdisk -l to see your partitions07:43
blacknyx   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System07:43
blacknyx/dev/hda1   *           1       76629    38620984+  83  Linux07:43
blacknyx/dev/hda2           76630       77622      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)07:43
blacknyx/dev/hda5           76630       77622      500440+  82  Linux swap07:43
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blacknyxand its still saying its wrong07:44
blacknyxIs there a max on how many things I can have mounted?07:45
netdurhey, do Firefox 0.9.3 have memory problems?07:45
Burgundavianetdur: firefox sometimes has memory leaks07:45
blacknyxnetdur: thats the word, but I've never had a problem with it.07:46
netdurI noticed, mozilla browse my "localhost" faster then firefox07:46
Burgundavianetdur: I left firefox on my Win2k box and it used 100mb of memory07:46
Burgundaviarunning that was07:47
thoreauputicnetdur: recent versions do have memory problems, yes07:47
blacknyxI wish I was good enough with linux to get this working.07:47
netdurOK, I'm gonna stick with Mozilla 1.7 for a while!!!07:48
Burgundaviablacknyx: Remove the umask option from your fstab line and try and mount it07:48
Burgundaviado you know how to mount on the command line?07:48
blacknyxmount -a  ?07:48
thoreauputicblacknyx: no that mounts everything ;)07:49
Burgundaviayes, with /mnt/hda07:49
blacknyxI did already remove the umask option07:49
Burgundaviamount -a will reread the fstab file and try and remount all options07:49
blacknyx/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000, 0 007:50
blacknyxperhaps I should try a different mounting point?07:50
Burgundaviano, well it remount?07:50
Burgundaviawill it remount07:50
blacknyxnope07:50
Burgundaviatry replacing uid=1000,gid=1000 with user07:51
blacknyxTHAT WORKED!!!07:51
blacknyxBurgundavia:  Thanks!   I can now listen to my music! =D07:53
thoreauputicblacknyx: your id and user id (uid) might not be 1000 - type id to see07:53
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blacknyxuid=1000(nyx) gid=1000(nyx)07:53
Burgundaviano prob07:54
thoreauputicblacknyx: hmm...oh well, whatever works :)07:54
blacknyxthats whats confusing to me about linux, where's the consistancy?07:54
Burgundaviawhat do you mean07:54
blacknyxWhy does uid=1000,gid-1000 work for most people using a particular distro, but not others even though the 1000 is accurate?07:55
thoreauputicblacknyx: actually it's very consistent - but not always obvious07:55
blacknyxthoreauputic: perhaps, I'm just very new to linux, and cant get things to work right when its consistant let alone when its inconsistant.  lol07:55
blacknyxI also found out that I cant sudo gedit /etc/fstab in root, which is common, I have to be normal user.07:56
blacknyxbut that I figured out on accident.07:56
blacknyxI'm not complaining though, I'm willing to learn, its just confusing still.07:57
thoreauputicblacknyx: the default id and guid is not set in stone - for instance slackware uses a different method from debian, as does mandrake - so the inconsistency is distro specific, if you like07:57
thoreauputicie each distro is internally consistent07:58
blacknyxthoreauputic, that I totally understand, but why would it be different for ubuntu users?  Do you know what I mean?  Shouldn't all ubuntu users be able to do "user" or "id and guid"?07:58
blacknyxon the forums, most people got it to work by leaving in the 1000's, but not me.  Thats what I mean.07:59
thoreauputicblacknyx: hmmm... to be honest, i am using debian (similar to ubuntu but not the same)07:59
thoreauputicmy /etc/fstab looks diffeent, but then I edited it myself07:59
blacknyxthoreauputic: ah perhaps the person on the forums was the same as you then.07:59
thoreauputicblacknyx: no08:00
thoreauputicblacknyx: I haven't used any forums or contributed to such for months - I'm mostly on IRC these days08:01
blacknyxI meant that maybe that particular person who was helping us was using debian like you are, not that you're the same person.08:02
jasundOn release candidate version of Ubuntu, is there a GUI way of creating a CD from an iso?08:02
thoreauputicblacknyx: debian users , as far as I know, would not have uid and gid like those in their fstab08:03
Burgundaviajasund: right-click on the iso i believe08:03
blacknyxodd.  oh well08:04
thoreauputicblacknyx: not really odd - one thing about linux is that there are usually several ways of achieving the same thing08:05
thoreauputicblacknyx: the syntax has to be right in each case, that's all08:05
blacknyxmakes sense08:05
jasundBurgundavia:  OK, I'll give that a crack.  But as I recall, I think I tried that.  Maybe I have to move the iso into nautilus first.08:06
Burgundaviajasund: that is right08:06
blacknyxI just need a list of all possible choices.  lol08:06
blacknyxNow if I could just figure out why my sources.conf file is blank.08:06
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thoreauputicblacknyx: sources.conf or /etc/apt/sources.list ?08:06
jasundBurgundavia:  OK, thanks!!08:07
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blacknyxah list is what I needed.08:07
thoreauputicblacknyx: If you're feeling masochistic, take a look at " man fstab" ;)08:08
ATJMorning.. Um, when I installed system, I choosed finnish as default language, but there are so many problems with this (for example many programs are in swedish) so how could I change language to english?08:08
thoreauputicATJ: are you comfortable on the command line?08:09
blacknyxthoreauputic: thanks, I'll try reading that to learn more.08:10
ATJthoreauputic: Well, I know basics ;) I'm not any guru, but I am able to install gentoo.. ;)08:10
thoreauputicblacknyx: as a rule of thumb, you have to read documentation at least 3 times to understand it :)08:10
thoreauputicATJ: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales08:11
blacknyxlol I believe it.  I've read so much on linux I often go to bed with migraines, but I'm still struggling.08:12
ATJthoreauputic: Thanks. :)08:12
izaaco god i love debian =::..08:13
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blacknyxCouldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)08:13
thoreauputicATJ: I'm not sure if Ubuntu has this, but another  possibility is /usr/sbin/base-config - to see if it's there type " whereis base-config" (without the quotes of course008:13
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thoreauputicblacknyx: have you run apt-get update?08:14
Burgundaviablacknyx: put your cd in the drive next time synaptic starts08:14
ATJthoreauputic: It worked. :)08:14
thoreauputicATJ: dpkg-raconfigure locales ?08:15
thoreauputic*reconfigure08:15
thoreauputicATJ: great - off you go then :)08:15
blacknyxAh you two are wonderful!08:16
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deFryskmight be handyer to disable cdrom in sources.list08:19
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attitudeany one in here know anything about courier imap08:21
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thoreauputicattitude: that's a pretty general sort of question. my answer would be no, but if you were more specific someone might be able to help08:27
attitudewell I have got posfix up and processing email. I installed courier imap. I set the MAILDIRPATH=.maildir/ in the /etc/courier/imapd file. the .maildir is where I have postfix saving email. When I try to connect with imap I get error no Maildir in my mail logs08:29
thoreauputicattitude: /join #postfix08:30
attitudeyeah I would normaly do that but it is not postfix it is courier imap08:30
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thoreauputicattitude: amrit in linuxhelp says there's a #courier08:35
thoreauputicattitude: just checked - 22 people there atm08:36
attitudeyeah i asked and one guys said I needed to goto debian and they said I needed to come here08:37
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thoreauputicattitude: he - yeah the usual "ubuntu != debian" response I would guess ;)08:38
attitudeyep08:38
thoreauputicattitude: why am I not surprised ?  ;)08:39
attitudethoreauputic: Not sure why they are like that08:39
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thoreauputicattitude: terminal insecurity+arrogance+elitism = bad PR08:40
attitudeyep08:40
attitudeubuntu is pretty damn good08:40
thoreauputicattitude: to be fair, they don't pan ubuntu as badly as they do knoppix users ;)08:41
attitudethoreauputic: ubuntu is getting some good press08:42
attitudeThey need to wake up08:43
attitudeof course gentoo is getting the same way08:43
thoreauputicattitude: yes - but then so did yoper when it was new - wait and see what happens08:43
attitudethoreauputic: true08:43
Burgundaviayes, but there is an attitude among some debian people that ubuntu is stealing time away from debian08:43
GoneBoBjoeyh is a cracksmoker anyway08:43
GoneBoB*cough*08:44
joemha, I wouldn't go compare ubuntu to yopper08:44
attitudeif anyone should think that is should be userlinux08:44
thoreauputicjoem: I didn't - i'm just referring to the "new is exciting" factor08:44
thoreauputicjoem: the philosophy behind Ubuntu is entirely different (and better IMO)08:45
joemubuntu is more of a hey this runs smooth and just works factor, not an its new type deal08:45
jduboh hey, come on08:46
jdubdude08:46
jdubit totally has 'new car smell'08:46
jdub:-)08:46
joemha08:46
joemit does get the "isn't that the distro with the naked people" hype08:47
thoreauputicjoem: I think you'll find things will quieten down a little fairly soon - for instance #knoppix used to jump but now it's pretty quiet - and Knoppix is excellent08:47
GoneBoBhaha08:47
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sabmocis the stock ubuntu kernel patched ?08:49
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jdubsabmoc: yes08:56
=== stevedeo wonders if there is a developer metapackage...
PizbitSomething more than build-essential?09:00
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stevedeoPizbit: Hmm, perhaps build-essential will do the job.09:04
|progenic|excuse me, how check that my ubuntu is the stable release09:04
Treenaks|progenic|: GUI or commandl ine09:04
|progenic|whatever :) as long as i can know that my ubuntu is the newest09:05
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|progenic|not the release candidate09:05
|progenic|:D09:05
Treenaks|progenic|: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade09:05
Treenaks|progenic|: that's the easiest way09:05
|progenic|heh ? i mean checking my ubuntu version09:05
Treenaks|progenic|: yes, if you upgrade now, you'll have the latest (= stable) version with all security patches09:05
Zindarprogenic: cat /etc/lsb-release09:05
Burgundaviashould say this:09:06
BurgundaviaDISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu09:06
BurgundaviaDISTRIB_RELEASE=4.1009:06
BurgundaviaDISTRIB_CODENAME=warty09:06
BurgundaviaDISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"09:06
|progenic|k09:07
|progenic|thx09:07
|progenic|:D09:07
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Zindarif you manage to find a ubuntu version that says anything else... you'r pretty cool09:08
Zindarsince none other exists yet :)09:08
TreenaksBurgundavia: uh.. didn;t the previews say that as well?09:08
Treenaks|progenic|: just update/upgrade and it'll be the latest version...09:08
BurgundaviaI seem to remember that it will say 4.10rc09:09
BurgundaviaI could be remembering wrong09:09
|progenic|thx09:09
|progenic|:)09:09
Treenaksupgrading is especially important because there have been a few security fixes already09:09
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bubullejust a small hi....I just installed Ubuntu on one of my d-i test machines and.....wow..:-)09:16
elwoodhi all09:17
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greebohi all09:18
greeboso, has any played with trying to re-allocate where the .Trash folder sits when mapping drives?09:18
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mrjiveciao elwood09:20
elwoodciao mrjive09:21
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bigbrother0074anybody think i might have any luck getting a logitech quickcam to work?09:43
Mr_Smileyanyone have any idea why cd automounting doesn't work?09:44
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|progenic|is this ubuntu has the community that support the ubuntu development ?09:58
|progenic|like fedora09:58
jdubyes09:58
|progenic|ic09:59
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bigbrother0074what would i do to access the utility programs i've just installed for my logitech quickcam.  the last thing it said was setting up qc-usb-utils so i assume it finished everything.  i just can't seem to figure out how to use it10:01
sparkesbigbrother0074, I don't know the programs you are refering too.10:03
sparkesdo a google and find the developer pages for these tools10:03
sparkesthey should have generic help10:03
bigbrother0074sparkes: ok, i'll give it a whirl10:03
sparkesbigbrother0074, if after finding these pages you are still ahving difficulty drop me a line and I will hlep you translate them to newbie ;-)10:04
bigbrother0074thnx10:04
Mr_Smileymy cds don't get auto mounted :( what's wrong10:05
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smobigbrother0074: "lsmod | grep quickcam" .. if you see it in the list, then you should just beable to fire up gnomemeeting and use it  (using V4L as the video device when it asks)10:08
bigbrother0074sparkes: translate? http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/qc-usb-utils    i don't know if about the libc6 files it talks about, but i can't find the modules pkg...maybe i'm not understanding it10:08
bigbrother0074Ohmer, ok10:08
smoah, I believe you need qc-usb-source to go along with that one10:09
bigbrother0074Ohmer, ok10:09
bigbrother0074heh....i say 'oh' it says ohmer10:09
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bigbrother0074smo: got the source pkg....now what?  gnomemeeting?10:10
sparkesbigbrother0074, the debs will pull in all their requirements10:11
bigbrother0074sparkes, but how do i use it?10:12
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sparkesbigbrother0074, the only application that package contains is qcset so 'man qcset' to get a rundown on usage (hopefully)10:13
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Elwoodew10:13
smothe source package has to be built against your own kernel .. /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source/ is going to be the best start for that10:13
smo(s/your own/the currently running/)10:14
bigbrother0074"(s/your own/the currently running/)"  ????10:15
Elwoodwhich pack includes the plugin for mp3 for rythmbox?10:15
TreenaksElwood: look for mp3 on the website/wiki10:15
ElwoodTreenaks,  this wiki is full of resources.10:16
Elwood:)10:16
TreenaksElwood: that's the point, isn't it?10:16
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deFryskget the mad plugin for gstreamer10:18
Elwoodyes i see10:18
Elwood:)10:18
deFryskit provides mp3 support10:18
Elwoodthanks10:20
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bigbrother0074sparkes, translate: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ ---should i just follow the installation advice word for word? i don't have a .gz file with a version number like it says.  only an applications.gz file in each the module and source folders...10:22
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sparkesbigbrother0074, if that's the package you installed using the deb all of this is already done for you10:23
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bigbrother0074Ohmer, alright then10:23
sparkesbigbrother0074, man qcset10:23
bigbrother0074ok10:23
bigbrother0074sparkes, nothing there10:24
sparkesbigbrother0074, qcset on it's own?10:24
sparkesor qcset --help10:24
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bigbrother0074ahh.....qcset alone lists configuring arguments or something...10:25
sabdflmorning all10:26
bigbrother0074sorry to do this:10:26
bigbrother0074ubuntu:/usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source# qcset10:26
bigbrother0074qcset: Logitech QuickCam driver configurator10:26
bigbrother0074Valid arguments:10:26
bigbrother0074        -h      Display this help10:26
bigbrother0074        -i      Display camera information10:26
bigbrother0074        -r      Display all known registers of camera10:26
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bigbrother0074        -a      Display all (including empty) registers of camera10:26
bigbrother0074        -b val  Set camera brightness10:26
bigbrother0074        -c val  Set camera contrast10:27
bigbrother0074Also module parameters are accepted, e.g. "debug=15"10:27
bigbrother0074The module parameters can be also queried, e.g. "debug?"10:27
bigbrother0074The parameters can be also given as a symbolic list, e.g. "debug=logic,user"10:27
bigbrother0074The device file name (default /dev/video) can be inserted before the arguments.10:27
bigbrother0074Possible module parameters and symbolic flags:10:27
bigbrother0074        debug: user,camera,init,logic,errors,adaptation,controlurbs,bitstream,interrupts,mutex,common,all10:27
bigbrother0074        keepsettings: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        settle: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        subsample: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        compress: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        frameskip10:27
bigbrother0074        quality: fastest,good,horizontal,best10:27
bigbrother0074        adaptive: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        equalize: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        retryerrors: y,n10:27
bigbrother0074        compatible: 16x,dblbuf,torgb10:27
bigbrother0074        video_nr10:27
bigbrother0074what's it mean?10:27
bigbrother0074well, what does it mean i can do w/ it?10:27
bigbrother0074the -a argument didn't work..."can not open..."10:27
HcEls -al /dev/video ?10:27
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HcEdo you have the device?10:28
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: boy, aren't you lucky this channel doesn't kick for floods?10:28
HcEI've gotten a logi 4000 pro cam working good with Linux 2.6.x10:28
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bigbrother0074thoreauputic, yes i am lucky10:28
bigbrother0074HcE, no such file or directory10:28
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: just don't try it anywhwere else :)10:29
HcEbigbrother0074: do you have /dev/video{1,2,3,4,5..} ?10:29
bigbrother0074thoreauputic, i didn't know it was gonna work like that....i just copy/pasted... heh ;)10:29
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thoreauputicbigbrother0074: as a general rule, you paste in #flood or on a URL10:30
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: just a question of etiquette10:30
bigbrother0074oh...can i link to #flood or something?  how does that work?10:30
bigbrother0074yea...i'm a big newb10:30
bigbrother0074HcE, i don't have any kind of video directory in /dev/10:31
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: tell the perso helping you you will join #flood, then do your paste in that channel10:32
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deFrysk /j #fllod10:32
deFryskflood*10:32
bigbrother0074thoreauputic, ah, gotcha.  thanks!10:32
HcEbigbrother0074: you need to load appropiate drivers for the logi-cam before it works...10:32
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bigbrother0074HcE, i thought i did10:32
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HcEI used PWCX10:33
HcEIIRC10:33
bigbrother0074HcE: how?  apt-get install pwcx?10:33
HcEI had to compile my kernel with a binary-file driver to get the logi 4000 pro to work good10:33
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HcEDon't think pwcx is avaiable with apt-get10:34
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bigbrother0074and that's mostly over my head...i understand you, but i don't understand remotely how to do any of that10:34
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: read this (about using apt from command line) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html10:34
HcEbigbrother0074: have you cheched if your camera is compatible with Linux in gerenal?10:35
__danielhai10:35
ElwoodSafari_Al, ahlan ua sahlan10:35
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Safari_AlElwood, ?10:37
bigbrother0074HcE: not really, but at sourceforge there were things to get to use the cam on linux so i assumed that it was possible and whatnot10:37
HcEwhat model do you have?10:39
bigbrother0074HcE: v-ub2 i believe10:40
HcEI don't know the v-ub2 in detail10:42
bigbrother0074its an older one i believe10:42
HcEgoogle for pwcx and or a logitech supported driver site10:42
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|progenic|excuse me, how to extract tar.gz files ?10:43
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skyriderhello everybody10:44
__daniel|progenic|, tar xfz bla.tar.gz10:44
deFryskman tar10:45
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__daniel|progenic|, x for extract, f for force, z for gz-stuff10:45
skyriderI'd like to organize mailing list for Russian speaking community10:45
__daniel|progenic|, but you could use file-roller on it too10:45
skyriderWhat should I do?10:45
|progenic|ic10:45
|progenic|error, it states that bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file10:46
__danielok, then you have a   bla.tar.bz2  file10:47
__danielhere you must use   j  (for bzip2 stuff)  instead of  z, but as i suggested use the gui (file-roller) on it or as deFrysk said: man tar10:48
|progenic|ic10:48
|progenic|ok10:48
|progenic|thx10:48
|progenic|:)10:48
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deebeeHow come Ubuntu can't play .MP3 files?10:50
madkomp3 is not free?10:50
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deebeeEven .mpg ???10:50
deebee:-(10:50
madkoinstall xmms via synaptic10:51
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__danielhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats10:51
gilleshi10:51
madkois it normal that mplayer-custom doesn't work on my cpu?10:51
deebeeMy Ubuntu pc isn't online.10:51
gillesi've got problems accessing files on my vfat partitions10:52
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skyriderCan anybody tell me who shold I ask to create a mail list?10:52
gillesi can see files but can't acess one10:52
madkot'as matter les permissions gilles?10:52
__danielgilles, what did you put in /etc/fstab for it?10:53
gilles/dev/sda9       /Documents      vfat    defaults        0       010:53
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Acridienhello10:53
skyridergilles: if you want to access files on your vfat partition from user user account you should add options uid and gid to mount options10:53
__danielgilles, this is what i have: /dev/hda5               /public                 vfat    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000               0       010:53
skyriderman mount10:54
__danielgilles, and do    mount /dev/sda9 -o remount     afterwards10:54
gilleshow to modify fstab without root account ?10:54
madkosudo -s ?10:54
madkosudo vi /etc/fstab10:55
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__danielmadko, don't scare people with vi ;-)10:55
deFryskor use nano if you prefer that10:55
madkovi rox ;)10:55
deFrysknano is a bit easyer10:55
__danielgilles, gedit is ok too ;-)10:55
skyridervim rox, plain vim sux :)10:56
skyridervim rox, plain vi sux :)10:56
gillesok i'm back in two minutes10:56
deFryskemacs /etc/fstab10:56
deFrysk;p10:56
madkohey is it normal that my mplayer says illegal instruction?10:56
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__danieloowriter /etc/fstab10:56
deFrysklol10:56
__danielmadko, can you choose some more verbose output?10:57
stvnwine msword.exe /etc/fstab10:57
madkoyep i will try __daniel10:57
deFryskhehe10:57
madkohow can i have a more verbose output?10:58
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__danielmadko, dunno10:58
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stvnmadko: my mplayer also gave an illegal output, I decided to download the source and build it my self10:59
madkoi just run mplayer and it says that it has been compiled with sse2 support but my cpu is not sse2 compliant...10:59
stvnmadko: but using the debian package should work, since I upgraded several machines with mplayer from debian - sarge to ubuntu and mplayer kept working11:00
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Android16hello11:00
Android16who can reset my password ?11:00
__danielpasswd11:00
StarScreamAndroid16: hopefully none of us...11:01
StarScream:)11:01
Android16lol11:02
Android16my nickserv password11:02
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ElwoodAndroid16,  you can11:02
ElwoodAndroid16,  /ns help11:02
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Android16forgot my password , now I cant identify myself11:03
ElwoodAndroid16,  /ns help11:04
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netdurin order to mount ext3 in Ubuntu, do it need special flags? or "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdx /mnt/hdx" is enough11:05
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mjrshould be enough11:05
mjrassuming, of course, that the mount point exists11:05
cefnetdur: long as /mnt/hdx exists, then yes11:05
cefmjr: snap!11:06
skyriderAndroid16, reboot, when grub (boot loader) starts select ubuntu linux menu entry, press 'e' key (Edit) and append 'init=/bin/bash' (without quotes) to your kernel entry.11:06
mjrcrackle11:06
skyrideryour ubuntu should login into root account automatically11:06
skyriderafter this you can change your password with passwd11:06
cefskyrider: that won't help him with his nickserv password11:07
netdurgood, I just made a shell script for Ubuntu, it detect partitions and mount it11:07
Android16thanks skyrider11:07
skyriderohh, I'm stupid :)11:07
gilles__daniel, i tried what you say but no success11:07
Android16no prob11:07
netdurI going to post it in mailing list...11:08
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thoreauputicAndroid16: /who *.staff.freenode  then /msg a staffer about your password problem11:09
cefnetdur: consider looking at pmount instead of mount then11:11
Android16thanks thor11:11
cefnetdur: pmount/pumount is really aimed at allowing users to do all their own mounting11:11
__danielgilles, umount /dev/sda911:12
cefnetdur: for your use, it might be worth the look.. 'man pmount'11:12
__danielgilles, and then mount it again11:12
gilles"mount: /Documents not mounted already, or bad option"11:15
__danielgilles, then mount it11:16
__danielgilles, "mount" with no options gives you a list of the mounted partitions11:16
netdurcef: thank you :)11:17
gillesok got it11:17
cefnetdur: welcome11:18
gillesrhythmbox can't handle mp3 ?11:19
Elwoodgilles,  yes11:21
seb128apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad11:21
Elwoodgilles,  just install gstreamer mad11:21
seb128it's in universe11:21
gillesi'm dont't sure i got that source11:22
stvngilles: it's in the list, you just need to switch it on11:23
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gillesok and for playing divx what to add ?11:26
__danielgilles: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats11:26
stvngilles: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats11:26
__danielhehe :)11:26
stvn:)11:26
=== __daniel should add some triggers for those questions
stvnindeed11:26
gillesok i know but for now11:27
stvnwas thinking that we needed a bot-like feature just to produce the standard wiki urls11:27
__danielor install some hotkeys for it :-)11:27
stvnheh11:27
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littlepauldoes someone know where i can find the 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic source and headers? I searched also under multiverse11:34
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__daniellittlepaul, apt-get source <packagename> didnt work?11:35
littlepaulno11:35
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pbaldantaHi. I installed ubuntu yesterday. It find all my hardware. Incredible.11:39
pbaldantaCreative Muvo TX mp3-player too.11:39
gillesrhythmbox is crashing too often11:40
pbaldantai installed xmms11:40
pbaldantaand streamtuner for radio11:41
stvngilles: use beep-media-player11:42
gillescan't install muine instead ?11:42
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gillesi don't see it in universe11:43
joemyou can install muine11:43
stvngilles: of course you can, noone is going to stop you ;)11:43
joemhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions11:43
ganja_guruhi guys....ubuntu on my laptop is now two days old...where are the startup scripts i need to edit to disable things like hotplug and the internet clock sync thing11:43
joemread the section on the mono repo11:43
jindI am used to kde, but uses gnome since it it dafault in ubuntu but I have one question: How to I add programs to the start menu?11:43
joemjind, right click, add launcher11:44
Mr_Smileymy cds don't get auto mounted :( does anyone know what's wrong11:44
ganja_guruhey jind...navigate to applications in nautilus....and then right click and add launcher11:44
joemer, right click -> entire menu -> add item11:44
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Treenaksganja_guru: you do not want to disable hotplug11:45
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Treenaksganja_guru: unless you want to load all modules manually, and don't forget to add them to /etc/modules, but hotplugging USB stuff will break badly11:46
ganja_guruwhy not trrenaks?11:46
ganja_gurusorry...treenaks..11:46
Treenaksganja_guru: nevermind :)11:46
ganja_guruok...what abt disabling other startup stuff11:46
Treenaksganja_guru: start by looking at the manual page for 'update-rc.d'11:47
ganja_gurucups for example...no printer at the moment11:47
Treenaks(type 'man update-rc.d' on the command line)11:47
ganja_guruok...looking at it now11:47
grubermanI really like the11:48
grubermanshow desktop button11:48
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ganja_guruhey treenaks...read the document....now how do i go abt it...sorry...new to deb11:49
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topyligrrr. my home box is down. i'm afraid the house is on fire or something :(11:50
Treenaksganja_guru: well, the easiest is to look up the name of the script (using grep, in /etc/init.d) and then update-rc.d nameofthescript remove11:51
ganja_guruoh ok....and what if i want it back?11:51
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ganja_guruso to remove cups i would do 'update-rc.d rc.cups remove?'11:52
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HcEganja_guru: update-rc.d cups remove IIRC11:52
HcEmaybe you need a update-rc.d -f cups remove (force)11:52
polokbbl11:52
ganja_guruoh ok....and what if i want cups back hce?11:53
HcEapt-get install --reinstall? ;)11:54
ganja_guruno wait....i thought update-rc.d just uncomments the scripts....or does it uninstall the whole thing??11:55
Plukganja ur right11:55
HcEit removes from rc.d{1...6}11:55
Treenaksganja_guru: it just removes the init scripts from the boot process11:55
housetierupdate-rc.d removes the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/11:55
__danielganja_guru, it removes the symlinks from rc.d to /etc/init.d11:55
Pluklol11:55
ganja_guruoh ok...thanx....so finally...all i do to remove cups is 'update-rc.d cups remove'11:56
ganja_gururight?11:56
Treenaksganja_guru: that ONLY removes it from the startup procedure11:56
Treenaksganja_guru: you can remove all of cups with synaptic11:57
Treenaksganja_guru: (the package manager, look in the menu)11:57
Treenaksganja_guru: but you don't want that, most likely11:58
Treenaksganja_guru: and you don't need to remove it from startup either -- it doesn't hurt to have it running11:58
ganja_guruyeah...got that....thanx a lot...slackware had /etc/rc.d editing to do...this is my first deb distro...oh and can someone tell me the name of the script that updates the time to ubuntu server?11:58
Treenaksganja_guru: grep for the text...11:58
__danielganja_guru: ntpdate11:58
ganja_guruthanx !!11:59
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ganja_guruok...time to install ubuntu on my main desktop...; ) thanks everyone11:59
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Mr_Smileyno-one knows why my cd's don't automount? :(12:01
ganja_guruoops one more...is there anyway to enable true root access?12:01
Mr_Smileysudo passwd root12:01
ganja_guruafter doing that can i login as a root and stop being annoyed all the time?12:02
Mr_Smileysure12:02
ganja_gurushit man...thanx!12:02
Mr_Smiley:)12:02
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SavuZiilhi, theres a weird error (error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3) when installing java, can anyone comment on this, im kinda new to linux12:13
housetierso how did you "install" java?12:14
TreenaksSavuZiil: how did you install Java? did you follow the HOWTO on the wiki?12:14
SavuZiili followed the instructions on java page12:14
TreenaksSavuZiil: which page exactly?12:14
SavuZiilhttp://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/install-linux.html#self-extracting12:14
TreenaksSavuZiil: the sun page or the ubuntu page or another page?12:14
SavuZiilwheres the ubuntu page12:15
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SavuZiilwhat is this wiki that everybody talks about, cant really find it anywhere12:18
darksatanicSavuZiil: It's in the /topic of this channel.12:18
SavuZiildidnt see it (damn text colors)12:18
housetiercolors?12:19
SavuZiilbackground color didnt let me see the text on the topic12:19
housetierbut its +c...12:20
SavuZiili had to make the topic active to see the text12:21
SavuZiilbut could anyone give me the link to the page on wiki where it shows you how to install java12:22
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Plukhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198&highlight=java12:24
Plukheres a whole thread about java12:24
Android16How to select packages in aptitude ?12:24
PizbitAndroid16: Try using synaptic:)12:24
Android16working on remote server using ssh12:25
Pluktry apt-cache search *package*12:25
Plukand then apt-get install *package*12:25
PizbitYeah, might be easiest using apt-get instead of aptitudes convulted interface12:26
Android16Pluk: Thanks12:26
Plukyw12:26
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Android16Thanks Pizbit12:26
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Android16so to uninstall would be apt-get remove *package*12:31
Plukyes12:32
malteyes12:32
Android16tnks12:32
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malteyou can add --purge to remove config files as well iirc12:32
Plukapt-get remove --purge also removes configfiles etc it created12:32
malte:)12:32
Pluklol12:32
Plukgreat minds and stuff :P12:32
malteindeed :)12:32
housetierin aptitude one would press "_"12:35
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madkois there a xorg package for ubuntu?12:37
Mr_Smileymadko, not yet afaik12:37
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|progenic|what is the better point x.org from xf86 ?12:40
daniels|progenic|: do you mean, why is x.org better?12:41
danielsmadko: not yet12:41
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deebeeWhere can I download Ubuntu packages?12:42
|progenic|yup12:42
pisuke|progenic|, momentum, x.org develops at faster pace12:42
|progenic|ic12:43
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daniels|progenic|: there are very few developers (about two) left on XFree86, while all the vendors and developers are working on X.Org12:43
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madkoi love transparency on xorg even if it's totaly useless12:46
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mjrI'm more interested in window scaling and such12:47
madkois there somethink like dmx with xfree?12:48
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jindWhere is the kernel source installed?12:50
jindI installed using synaptic12:50
jindAnd it wasn't installed in /usr/src/linux12:50
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TongMasterIs it recommended to run the *-686 kernel over the defaul *.386 kernel? Anyone tried it?12:53
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danielsTongMaster: yeah, it'll be just fine12:58
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jindWhat is the location of the C header files in ubuntu?12:58
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TongMasterta, daniels :)01:00
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PyguyHello01:10
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PyguyAh... does anyone else get green links, that got to blue, and stay blue on hover, in Ubuntu?01:12
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TreenaksPyguy: which browser, which site? (it must be a browser thing..)01:12
PizbitHrm, how does one ago about speeding up coying onto a USB storage device? It takes 2-3 times longer on ubuntu than a windows machine01:13
PyguyTreenaks, in any program that links. BTW I'm using the system under VMWare01:14
Pyguy*that has links01:14
steven_pyguy: did you install vmware-tools ?01:17
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Pyguysteven_, nope01:23
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steven_pyguy: try installing it maybe it solves your issues01:25
PyguyYep01:26
jesperAny Danes around?01:28
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jonoyo01:31
LinuxJoneshi jono :)01:31
jonoheya LinuxJones :)01:32
Nghey jono01:34
Ngjono: could you relocate your LUG here? ;)01:34
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jonoNg, hehe :)01:35
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jonoNg, did you enjoy LUGRadio ?01:36
Ngjono: the brighton one sucks and I want to be on lugradio ;)01:36
Ngjono: yes01:36
Ngalthough I was almost shouting back at some of the nonsense ;)01:36
jonoNg, we can probably get you on the show as we can record phone calls for the show01:36
jonohehe01:36
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Ngjono: I was listening back to some of last series. I was pissing myself laughing at the windows tapemonkeys rants ;)01:37
Ngjono: I was also gonna ask you if any of the linuxy mags are looking for people atm, I miss the freelance dorrah ;)01:38
LinuxJonesNg, what do they pay a few hundred bucks for an article ?01:39
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NgLinuxJones: I used to do a 2page tutorial each month, I got about 300 quid a go01:40
Ngso yeah, a few hundred bucks :)01:40
LinuxJonesNg, I don't know how much a quid is heh01:40
LinuxJonesok01:40
Mitario_hi all01:40
Mitario_should hotplug recognize the ide-floppy module and load it?01:41
TreenaksGBK1 =~ EUR 1.5 =~ USD 1.8 I guess01:41
TreenaksGBP01:41
LinuxJonesTreenaks, ok thanks01:41
NgLinuxJones: what Treenaks said. 1 quid == 1 GBP.01:41
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LinuxJonesNg, Canadian dollar is .81 USD01:41
LinuxJonesNg, I will figure it out01:42
Nghehe01:42
AcridienHave you ever seen it :  http://smashmethod.mg2.org/images/full/02threed/004_maybe_it%27s_over_to_the_left.jpg01:42
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Nghehe01:43
NgAcridien: they kinda look likethe pixar birds in For The Birds01:43
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AcridienNg: don't know that movie but I love this tux01:44
AcridienNg: I just asked the author to create a linux logo01:44
Acridienlol01:44
NgAcridien: it was a short animation at the start of Monsters, Inc. with a load of blue birds sitting on a telegraph wire. *really* funny :)01:45
Mitario_hmm, this is odd, the floppy drive is connected, the ide-floppy module is loaded, but I don't get /dev/fd001:45
NgAcridien: http://www.pixar.com/shorts/ftb/index.html01:45
mjrMitario_, you probably don't have an _ide_ floppy01:45
AcridienNg: do you ...tx01:45
AcridienNg: :-)01:46
mjrload the floppy module01:46
Mitario_ah :) doh01:46
Nghmm01:46
Ngdoes the ubuntu installer set up a floppy mount point? I say this looking at my fstab and not seeing one01:47
Mitario_mjr thank you very much01:47
Treenaksit should, if it detects that your ssystem have floppy drive01:47
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LinuxJonesNg, no01:47
LinuxJonesNg, I don't have one either01:47
Ngoh wait, it's /media/floppy001:47
Ngwtf is that?01:47
Treenaksthat's LSB, I think01:48
Ng:/01:48
joemanybody know of a good lightweight web frontend for any sort of streaming audio server01:48
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sven_hey guys, i noticed the possibility in ubuntu to shutdown the system in gnome as a user. anyone knows how to make this possible in a debian testing system?01:50
jonoNg, what is your name?01:51
AcridienNg: nice animation01:51
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joemsven, the user would need permissions to run /sbin/reboot and /sbin/halt01:51
Ngjono: Chris Jones01:52
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jonoahhh cool01:54
jindWhere is the 2.6.8.1 kernel headers installed=01:54
jind?01:54
jindI have just installed it, but don't know where!01:54
HcEjind: /usr/src IIRC01:54
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spivjind: dpkg -L packagename will show you what files a package installed.01:54
Ngjono: yeah, it's been a while. the pain of dealing with the publishers has faded such that I only remember the enjoying writing things bit ;)01:55
jindThanks :)01:56
[LinSpider] my install alway's hangs at 10%, when its fetching GNUPG, is this a common problem? or is it a bad burn ?01:56
__daniel[LinSpider] , sounds like a bad burn or something :-/01:57
sven_joem:thats all?01:58
jonoNg, its tougher now01:59
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jonoNg, there is so much competition for articles now, I think everyone wants to be a writer01:59
joemsven, assuming gnome-session hasn't been patched in anyway to change the values of shutdown and reboot, yes01:59
Ngjono: great ;)01:59
Ngjono: maybe I won't try and get back in the trough then ;)01:59
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Android16does sendmail have a debian package ?02:00
__danielAndroid16, apt-cache search sendmail :-)02:00
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sven_:-( the rights are okay ...02:01
[LinSpider] Thanks __daniel, i'll try to burn at a lower speed02:01
sven_on kde it works, but not gnome :(02:01
__daniel[LinSpider] , we keep our fingers crossed :-)02:01
Ngjono: but I wouldn't object to a quick appearance on the radio ;)02:02
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phosphorgreenhello everyone - the io when writing to cds or ripping cds slows the whole computer down to the likes of a PII (i have an Athlon 64) - I noticed that dma mode is off for my cdrom drive - it says operation not permitted when trying to set it, any ideas anyone?02:07
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amin2I have another partition for my data and mounted on /mydata. I want to access this data in a little icon on desktop. Anybody know how to do this ?02:10
jacobDoes the packages in warty-universe _never_ get updpated ?02:10
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amin2I have another partition for my data and mounted on /mydata. I want to access this data in a little icon on desktop. Anybody know how to do this ?02:14
linux_galorephosphorgreen: run hdparm also man hdparm  yes you can use hdparm to sed your cdrom settings02:15
linux_galoreset*02:15
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linux_galorebet he also has PCI on that AMD64 for South Bridge so his IO is totally clogged when he uses his super fast CD burner02:17
linux_galoreshould have got PCIe02:17
plovs_worklulu, hi, how do i remove the links i accidently made in the /wiki/ navigationbar?02:17
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Nglinux_galore: PCIe isn't really affordable for desktops just yet ;)02:18
linux_galoreNg: I know but with people buying SATA and these new super fast DVD burners there strangling there IO02:18
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|progenic|excuse me, is there somehow i can sync my file and my stuff from linux to my PocketPC ?02:19
Nglinux_galore: fair enough. I just went amd64 and sata, but my dvd burner is slow and lives in a i386 box ;)02:20
linux_galoreNg: SATA is a wast of time your trying to push through 166mb/s on a bus thats "shared" at 133mb/s  let me guess your not going to always have a fast SATA hardisk02:21
DJ_Stefan0does Ubuntu have "rpm" in it? and Will i be able to use this driver on ubuntu or does ubuntu have its own port of the driver? http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=8&submit.y=902:21
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: Ubuntu comes with the ATI driver02:21
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:21
DJ_Stefan0Treenaks: No, not with the updated 1 , i have an ATI Radeon X800 Pro02:21
eruinlol, they only supply RPM?02:22
Nglinux_galore: I only stuck one SATA disk in because my SCSI disks were really sucking. one day I'll spend the money on some PCIe 15krpm scsi kit ;)02:22
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DJ_Stefan0eruin: sadly yes, I like nvidia better, but i chose to go ATI because theyre a lot cheaper for the amount of performance02:23
linux_galoreNg: Im just going to wait for a decent priced Mobo with PCIe then I will go the SATA path02:23
Ngbah IDE, bah ;)02:23
eruinDJ_Stefan0: atleast nvidia works just as fine on xorg as on xfree ;P02:23
Treenakslinux_galore: then you only have to hope the SATA controller is on PCIe and not "regular" PCI02:24
eruinbut supplying rpm only is a bit retarded... even if I'm running fedora myself02:24
eruinlet's spam them :)02:24
linux_galoreTreenaks: yeah i can see that being the next great headache for the Linux community redoing all the PCI drivers for PCIe02:24
DJ_Stefan0eruin: I was refering to performance under Windows and Gaming. Overall ATI has shit drivers even when they are available... ATI cards are dodgy, and under my opinion are only god as cheap high performance gaming cards02:25
linux_galorewonder if alien works on Ubuntu02:25
DJ_Stefan0good*02:25
jdublinux_galore: it's shipped with the desktop02:25
linux_galoreyou can always rip the rpm open and convert it to a .deb02:25
DJ_Stefan0to get the same performance with an Nvidia card u need more money02:25
eruinDJ_Stefan0: yeah, found that out the hard way, too. So I stomped my ati and got myself an fx5900 ;)02:25
linux_galorejdub: yeah but your driver is not for the new X80002:26
jdublinux_galore: alien02:26
amin2help.. anybody knows where is the recycle bin in the tree ?02:26
DJ_Stefan0eruin very nice.. but do u realise that ur card only beats mine by 15-20% in gaming performance and here in Australia costs $500 more then mine02:26
DJ_Stefan0lol02:26
__danielamin2, use the trash applet, it rocks02:27
DJ_Stefan0thats why i decided to get the ATI card...02:27
eruinDJ_Stefan0: australia must be a horrible place to live ;P02:27
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DJ_Stefan0oh wait actualy...02:27
DJ_Stefan05900!02:27
DJ_Stefan0sorry02:27
amin2_daniel, where is the trash applet02:27
eruin:P02:27
DJ_Stefan0i thought u said 6800 Ultra02:27
eruinhaha02:27
stvnheh02:27
eruinnah, I never buy the topshelf cards02:27
linux_galoreIm on a nice easy FX520002:27
DJ_Stefan05900 gets beaten by a 9600XT thats way cheaper02:27
eruinnot worth it ;P02:27
eruinDJ_Stefan0: in doom3? :D02:28
DJ_Stefan0in benchmarks02:28
stvnDJ_Stefan0: if ati only provides real good(TM) drivers for linux ;)02:28
DJ_Stefan0well at least i can claim for sure that a 9800 pro beats ur card02:28
eruinwindows benchmarks are quite useless to me, though, since I do everything in linux :/02:28
DJ_Stefan0heh thats nice... i wish all games were ported to linux..02:28
eruinnot to mention xorg/transparency/dropshadows are unavailable with ati :P02:28
DJ_Stefan0this world would be a better place02:28
Mr_SmileyDJ_Stefan0, nvidia02:28
Mr_Smiley:)02:28
eruinDJ_Stefan0: yeah... cedega is getting better though02:29
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linux_galorehmmmm transparencies02:29
Mr_Smileyyeah i play all my games under linux02:29
eruinI have a problem with kswapd in kernel 2.6.9+ and cedegas memory handling though02:29
eruin:/02:29
Mr_Smileyhehe02:29
eruinie kswapd refuses to take a fkin chillpill ;)02:29
Mr_Smileydon't use 2.6.9?02:30
amin2help, I can't empty the trash can.02:30
eruinMr_Smiley: I'm running -devel :P02:30
stvnamin2: why not?02:30
Mr_Smileyeruin, :)02:30
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linux_galoreOnly thing I dont like about the Ubuntu install is Im stuck with Ext3 or Reiserfs4 and I dont like either02:31
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eruinlinux_galore: I'm under the impression ext3 is about the best you can do on a standard desktop system?02:32
linux_galoreeruin: nope XFS02:32
|progenic|excuse me, is there somehow i can sync my file and my stuff from linux to my PocketPC ?02:32
amin2right click on trash can and select Empty Trash will do nothing. So I open the Trash Folder and delete one by one it says: Error while deleting .. cannot be deleted because you donot have permissions to modify its parent folder02:32
Kamionyou can use XFS from the Ubuntu installer. you just can't use it for /boot.02:33
Kamionlikewise JFS02:33
Mr_Smileywhat's so special about xfs?02:33
eruincan someone on 7200rpm s-ata drives run hdparm -tT and message the results to me?02:33
DJ_Stefan0eruin: if i didnt have a 64bit machine i would choose REISERFS02:33
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eruinalso if you've got ata100 7200rpm drives02:33
linux_galore|progenic|: tried poking around freshmeat.net  Ive seen programs for syncing different PDA types02:33
amin2stvn, right click on trash can and select Empty Trash will do nothing. So I open the Trash Folder and delete one by one it says: Error while deleting .. cannot be deleted because you donot have permissions to modify its parent folder02:33
linux_galoreMr_Smiley: 1 its very mature  2. its damn fast  3. we live in a multi media world now02:34
stvnamin2: ah a permissions problem, moment02:34
GotD0t|progenic| well supposedly SynCE is supposed to accomplish that... But I cannot get it to recognize my Axim x3002:34
Mr_Smileylinux_galore, i've read that you can corrupt it if you don't shutdown properly?02:34
stvnamin2: if you are really sure you want to delete everything from trash do in a terminal: cd .Trash02:35
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linux_galoreMr_Smiley: no Ive had this system up now for two years at least half a dozen brown out and kernel panics and I havent lost a file yet02:35
stvnamin2: sudo rm -r *02:35
|progenic|ic02:35
Mr_Smileylinux_galore, hmm maybe i should try xfs out :)02:35
|progenic|ok thx02:35
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stvnamin2: but be sure that you are in ~/.Trash when you do so02:36
amin2ls02:36
stvnamin2: it's a bit of a dirty/unsafe way to do it02:36
linux_galoreMr_Smiley: Ive got a mail server at work running exim on raid5 with xfs never had a problem and thats not on a UPS either (the ups blew up and the company is on a tight IT budget)02:36
amin2stvn, thanks it's work....02:36
Mr_Smileynice02:36
linux_galoreactually my biggest problem right now isnt Linux in any manner its unreliable hardware..yep I payed for good brand parts and Im still getting problems02:38
amin2stvn, is there anyway to make a little icon in desktop to point to another partition?02:38
stvnamin2: if it is mounted, it should appear on the desktop02:38
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amin2it's mounted but no icon02:39
linux_galoreits funny the batch of cheap assed machines I baught four years ago are still working fine I though I would buy some decent machines last year.......pffft damn thing are failing after 14 months02:39
maxxisNovato, alguien  puede ayudar a instalar unrar?02:39
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stvnamin2: hm, go to application>>system tools>>configuration editor02:40
stvnamin2: and check in apps/nautilus/desktop if the volumes_visible is switched on02:40
maxxisalguien m puede ayudar con unrar?02:41
linux_galoreactually there is a open source version of unrar  called  norar02:41
maxxisI can't install unrar....02:41
linux_galorefunny thing is norar is faster than unrar02:41
stvnmaxxis: add multiverse to the sourceslist02:42
maxxissourceforge.net?02:42
stvnmaxxis: nope the /etc/apt/sources.list02:42
amin2stvn, yes it is checked02:42
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luluplovs_work: wiki: go in and edit the page again and delete the links you added.02:42
maxxisok thanks02:42
jonowill lilo or grub work on ppc?02:42
stvnamin2: how did you mount the partition?02:42
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stvnmaxxis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.122809024702:43
linux_galoremaxxis: I found norar on the Penguin Liberation ftp server so thats useless to you they only have rpm's your going to have to google for it02:43
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amin2stvn, I put in the /etc/fstab  like this: /dev/hda3  /data  reiserfs default 0 102:44
stvnamin2: default or defaults ?02:44
maxxislinux_galore:thanks ;)02:45
linux_galorehold on let me login to my manhate machine and see if I can find the author for norar02:45
maxxisgood bye02:45
amin2stvn, sorry, it's defaults. well, i can see my files if i open home and then type /data02:45
stvnamin2: try to open computer>>disks>>data02:46
amin2stvn, there isn't any data icon02:46
stvnamin2: that's odd, if it's in /etc/fstab it should also appear in disks02:47
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amin2stvn, should i do it manually ?02:47
stvnamin2: try sudo chown -R <username>:<username> /data02:47
stvnamin2: no it does it automagically02:47
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stvnhm02:50
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mwh_argh epiphany cant download anything now sigh02:51
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jacobIs there a way to verify all of the installed package files md5sums=02:51
jacob?02:51
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jonowhere is the grub config file?02:53
madko/boot/grub/menu.lst02:53
jono:)02:53
amin2stvn, it doesn't help.  I also try to mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows the icon doesn't appear.02:54
stvnamin2: if you type in mount does it list as being mounted?02:54
amin2stvn, yes02:54
stvnamin2: and if you open the directory in nautilus, does it appear normal?02:55
amin2stvn: yes02:55
stvnamin2: very odd02:55
stvnamin2: it's a clean install?02:55
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amin2stvn: what you mean by a clean install. I install it from a cd and then do the updating and upgrade many times.02:56
SavuZiilanyone knows why kate cant use the terminal window on ubuntu02:56
DJ_Stefan0so if i was to install the ATI drivers using apt-get like it says here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto : will that work with my amd64 architecture?02:56
stvnamin2: that's what I mean02:56
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SavuZiilanyone uses kate?02:58
stvnamin2: using sudo mount <etc> doesn't result in an icon on the desktop here either, so that'll be normal, but fstab should work02:59
amin2stvn: computer, trash, home icon are alright; i do check and uncheck they appear and disappear automatically02:59
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stvnamin2: try and add user in fstab: defaults,user and remount02:59
Seveasthe icon only appears if it is mounted in /media02:59
stvnSeveas: not true, it also appears when mounted in /mnt or /net at least03:00
SeveasOr an arbitrary subdir03:00
SeveasNot over here stvn03:00
stvnSeveas: it also works when mounted on /mnt itself03:00
Treenaksthe icon appears if it's marked "user" in fstab, or not in fstab at all, I guess?03:00
stvnas long as it is in fstab03:00
stvncould be, I have them marked user03:01
stvnbut my automounted nfs share also appeared when I didn't have it marked as user03:01
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spikebi have to say, i really like the human icon set - why isn't it the default?03:03
SeveasHere they appear regardless of the "user" setting, but only if mounted in /media03:03
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stvnSeveas: /mnt/debian without user doesn't appear, /mnt/windows with user does appear03:04
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Seveasstvn, is that only for fstab or always?03:04
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stvnSeveas: it seems only for fstab03:05
Seveasyes i guess03:05
stvnSeveas: mount with option umask=000 doesn't show up at all03:06
Seveasah, maybe the user needs the correct rights for it to show up?03:06
stvnSeveas: could be, the dirs are chowned to the user in my case03:06
stvnadding the user option immediatly shows the partition in disks03:07
Seveasfor my windows folders i have "uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0333,dmask=0222"03:07
spikebwell hi there dennis :)03:08
Seveashelleuh :)03:08
DJ_Stefan0can sum1 tell me how to load the ATI driver before i load X?03:08
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DJ_Stefan0is it on the CD?03:08
Seveasyou could have /whois'ed me too if you wanted to know that :p03:08
DJ_Stefan0or do i have 2 go on the net?03:08
DJ_Stefan0and can i do it during instalation?03:08
DJ_Stefan0does it support Dialup 56k?03:09
SeveasDJ_Stefan0 what ATI card do you have? I have a radeon mobile and it worked out of the box03:09
DJ_Stefan0X800 Pro03:09
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DJ_Stefan0its not natively suported by x03:09
DJ_Stefan0x crashes on it03:09
DJ_Stefan0its the only X radeon that crashes on Xfree.. lol03:10
spikebheh03:10
DJ_Stefan0ironic isnt it03:10
spikebDJ_Stefan0, you can, however, use ati's proprietary drivers03:10
DJ_Stefan0which im planing 203:10
spikebcool03:10
DJ_Stefan0http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:10
DJ_Stefan0but03:10
danielsah yeah, X800 isn't natively supported03:10
DJ_Stefan0can i download them during instalation?03:10
spikebi dont know03:10
danielsi tried backporting the patch, but as far as I can tell, the Powerbook VBIOS detection is broken upstream03:10
danielsso we had to revert that one03:11
spikebok so what's slated for hoary?03:11
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luciveeguys, what's the best way to get ubuntu dual-booting with Win2k/XP?03:13
DJ_Stefan0installing the latest grub?03:13
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: which is default in ubuntu..03:13
luciveeyeah, I guess so03:14
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Treenakslucivee: install win2k/xp first, leave space free for ubuntu03:14
luciveeTreenaks: yep03:14
DJ_Stefan0Treenaks the AMD64 version still doesnt wanna dualboot with 32bit WinXP03:14
Treenakswhy would you want to run a 32-bit os on a 64-bit machine? :)03:14
luciveeokay, I guess I should rephrase a bit: how do I get grub to see the existing w2k/xp install :)03:15
Treenakslucivee: there's an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst~03:15
Treenaksuh03:15
DJ_Stefan0because i have a mad graphics card and i wanna run the latest games most of them not being ported to linux yet03:15
Treenakswithout the 103:15
Treenaks~03:15
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: bug the game companies then03:15
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: no demand = no games for linux03:15
DJ_Stefan0i did03:15
DJ_Stefan0:)03:15
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: show them there's demand :)03:15
luciveeTreenaks: cheers, will check it out03:16
stvnlatest games, you mean there are other games than pong?03:16
DJ_Stefan0i wrote complaints to EA Games in Australia03:16
grubermansign that wow petition :)03:16
DJ_Stefan0their representatives here03:16
spikebheh03:16
Treenaksgruberman: wow petition?03:16
spikebi'll be running two games03:16
grubermanworld of warcraft03:16
spikebdoom III and ut200403:16
DJ_Stefan0heh ut2004 is already available for linux..03:16
TreenaksI only play nethack occasionally03:16
grubermanAs long as I can play q3 I'm satisfied03:16
DJ_Stefan0thats how all games should be i reckon03:16
stvnI mainly play ET (RTCW) which play just fine under linux03:17
spikebi have the demo installed :)03:17
DJ_Stefan0i play Tomb Raider : Angel of Darkness , Batlefield Vietnam, Doom 3 and CS Condition Zero .. lol03:17
grubermanJust tell me when I can use VST/VSTi on linux and the xp box is out of here :)03:18
spikebwell at least one of them will run on your linux machine03:18
spikebheh03:18
DJ_Stefan0gruberman: http://linux-sound.org03:18
DJ_Stefan0gruberman: i think u better call the garbage truck03:19
DJ_Stefan0lol03:19
grubermanDJ_Stefan0: not really03:19
grubermantell me a VST-host on linux03:19
linux_galoreTreenaks: try here http://www.liberatedgames.com/  lots of games ported to Linux03:20
DJ_Stefan0gruberman i thought u were refering to sound synthesis never mind...03:20
linux_galorenoticed Winex now supports over 300 games now03:21
Treenakslinux_galore: I don't _want_ any more games :)03:21
Treenakslinux_galore: nethack is enough03:21
spikebwinex has a new stupid name03:21
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tsengthats why they renamed it03:21
spikeblinux_galore, thanks for the URL :)03:21
DJ_Stefan0linux_galore i noticed that wineX is still emulation only and shouldnt be encouraged... Game Developers should port their games to run natively on linux instead03:21
TreenaksDJ_Stefan0: and sanely packaged, I might add03:22
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DJ_Stefan0yeh that as well03:22
DJ_Stefan0lol03:22
linux_galoreto be honest I think the Desktop isnt a good platform for games consoles will take over the whole games thing03:22
spikebi doubt it03:23
spikebthey'll continue to co-exist03:23
DJ_Stefan0i doubt that too03:23
stvnlinux_galore: still they need to run under linux, with all consoles running linux nowadays ;)03:23
linux_galoregames makers dont like having to compensate for a mixed bag of hardware they prefere static hardware platforms03:23
RubenVi don't see me buying a console03:23
DJ_Stefan0well if u think about it the Playstation 2 itself already is a 128bit processor...03:23
linux_galoreyeah but many new games are being released on consoles way before the desktop03:23
DJ_Stefan0and here i am bragging about my Athlon 64 340003:23
stvnDJ_Stefan0: get a quad opteron and you can brag about your 256bit one ;)03:24
spikebthere are console games, desktop games, and both games.03:24
linux_galoreactually the P4 main bus is 256bit03:24
spikebsame as it's been for a long time now03:24
DJ_Stefan0stvn that wouldnt be good for games, due to its frontside bus :P03:24
linux_galoreinternal that is03:25
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linux_galoreI noticed they are now selling the new PS-2 (slimline version) with a network connector as standard03:26
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Treenakslinux_galore: so?03:28
linux_galorewell it just means Life is a struggle03:28
Treenakslinux_galore: yeah, so?03:28
Treenakslinux_galore: what does it have to do with ubuntu?03:28
stvnTreenaks: the /quit msg of DJ_stefan003:28
stvnTreenaks: still nothing to do with ubuntu03:29
linux_galoreTreenaks: its a dickhead detector because most ignorant people thing Jihad means to fight or to have a holy war03:29
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drunken-wallabyhi there..03:30
linux_galorewell no one was posting anything or asking questions03:30
Treenakslinux_galore: I have lots of t-shirts like that.. but personally I don't think life is a struggle as such :)03:30
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linux_galoreTreenaks: yeah I like wearing weird funny things... scares the grey people away03:31
Treenakslinux_galore: I'm known as 'the guy with the funny t-shirts' around here..03:32
Treenakslinux_galore: http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=11303:32
linux_galoreTreenaks: aaah03:32
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linux_galoreits summer here so Im back to my loud Hawaiian T-Shirts03:33
linux_galoreshould say shirts*03:34
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jonois the best way to install grub by creating the boot floppy?03:45
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Kopfschmerzendo you not have it installed at all?03:48
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GmailWEEEE netspilt how much fun? (not)04:08
ratpoison{global notice} Hi all! It appears that one of our hubs is having some major routing problems. I'm working on working around this problem, and any further messages will be given in wallops04:09
Android16anyone get Limewire to work on ubuntu ?04:11
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luciveeAndroid16: is limewire a java app?04:15
luciveeAndroid16: or is that a different p2p app I'm thinking of?04:15
helixlimewire is java04:15
Android16it uses java04:15
Android16what p2p app works nice on ubuntu ?04:16
deweybittorrent04:17
luciveeAndroid16:  do you have Java installed? not sure if there is an Ubuntu java package04:18
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Android16got j2re on box yes04:19
luciveeAndroid16: this may help: <http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java?action=highlight&value=java>04:19
Android16added to PATH also04:19
luciveeah04:19
luciveewhat's the prob then?04:19
Android16installer wont run04:20
luciveeget an error message?04:20
Android16tried running like this04:20
Android16sh ./LimeWireLinux.bin -i console04:20
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Android16gives you a language option04:20
Android16and then bombs out04:20
Android16Installer User Interface Mode Not Supported04:21
luciveewhat happens if you don't specify the "-i console"?04:21
rcaskeybtw, what is /dead.letter04:23
Treenaksrcaskey: you started 'mail' as root, and cancelled sending04:23
Treenaksrcaskey: most likely04:23
rcaskeyit must have been a package04:23
Android16Invocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException. This application will now exit04:23
rcaskeytalking about udev04:23
luciveercaskey: or your MTA (exim/sendmail/whatever) is misconfigured and wouldn't accept the message04:24
luciveeAndroid16: what do you get if you run "java -version" in that same term window?04:25
rcaskeylikely, this is a semi-fresh install04:25
rcaskeypre1 dist-upgraded to final04:25
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ploumHi04:26
Android16java version "1.4.2_05"04:26
Android16Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-b04)04:26
Android16Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_05-b04, mixed mode)04:26
ploumis reportbug package modified to send bugs to Ubuntu team instead of Debian ?04:26
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luciveeAndroid16: everything sounds okay then, maybe your download got cut off or corrupted?04:27
dellado you also have the netspeed applet crash when you try to make it monitor ppp0?04:28
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Android16how do you get the Android16: part04:29
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luciveeAndroid16: just type it in04:30
luciveeif you have a good IRC client, type enough of the name and hit <tab> to complete it04:30
Android16lucivee: k , thanks04:30
luciveeAndroid16: no prob! :)04:30
Android16is there an antivirus scanner for sendmail server , other the Trend viruswall ?04:33
Android16Trend installer doesn't support debian04:33
TreenaksAndroid16: trend ?04:34
Treenaksyou'll want clamav04:35
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magnoner, hi, a friend of mine has a rather unfortunate and urgent problem, his windows dual boot won't work04:35
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Riddellmagnon: what won't work about it?04:36
magnonRiddell: it doens't boot win04:36
Riddellmagnon: but it does boot ubuntu?04:36
magnonyes04:36
Riddellmagnon: try reinstlling grub04:36
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magnonit says the configuration for the windows boot option and then stalls on a blinking _04:36
Riddellmagnon: failing that use a dos boot disk to install the windows boot loader04:36
magnonRiddell: I have no experience with grub, actually, so please, tell me what to do? :P04:36
luciveemagnon: just fixed this problem myself04:37
magnonlucivee: oh, do tell04:37
luciveemagnon: see: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2187&highlight=Chainloader+windows04:37
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luciveethe last reply was the right fix04:37
magnonok04:38
magnonbios'es should come with ssh servers. arh.04:38
Android16Treenaks: Thanks04:39
luciveeyeah, tell me about it!04:39
magnonhe's a little illiterate, so it's hard04:39
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luciveemagnon: who, your bios?04:40
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magnonlucivee: no, the guy who will have to do bios surgery right now04:40
DJ_Stefan0Hey Can sum1 tell me the command to download and install ati drivers? please help i cant load X...04:41
luciveemagnon: ahhh!04:41
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magnonI hope it works out04:41
magnonit worked :) thanks a lot gyus04:42
icarnaleshi, is there any package for gtk-sharp libraries ?04:42
luciveemagnon: good stuff!04:43
magnonicarnales: yes, there's an ubuntu repository for mono stuff04:43
magnondeb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./04:43
icarnalesyes, i checked it , but there is only monodevelop and no libraries04:43
magnonhm, where did I get my stuff then?04:44
icarnalesmaybe from debian testing04:44
icarnalesi'm trying not to mix dists04:44
magnonlemme check04:44
izaacadded ComoSynaptic(Synaptic How to) Translation ;D04:44
izaacto the wiki04:45
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magnonicarnales: what about Universe? there's a lot in there04:46
icarnalesbut no gtk-sharp :)04:46
magnonwhere on earth did I get my gtk-sharp then? :P04:46
icarnalesthere are only the runtime libraries04:47
magnonI compiled Beagle and stuff like that last night04:47
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DJ_Stefan0I typed apt-get install fglrx-driver and it came up with "E: Could not find package" can u please help me on how to install ATI Drivers? should i edit the sources?04:47
magnonDJ_Stefan0: you might have to enable the "restricted" repository04:47
DJ_Stefan0magnon how do u do that, oh and btw i have the latest Ubuntu 64bit.. thats what im talking about04:48
magnonhm, ok, I have no idea for 64bit support there... but there should be04:48
DJ_Stefan0ive got an Athlon 64 3400+ with an ATI Radeon X800 Pro04:48
magnonyou can edit /etc/sources.list04:48
mjrATI has no 64-bit proprietary drivers last I checked04:48
magnonI mean /etc/apt/sources.list04:48
DJ_Stefan0will it still work04:48
DJ_Stefan0how can i edit it from linux command shell itself?04:49
magnondunno, but doesn't the X driver work out well?04:49
mjrso if you want 3d accel on that thing you'd have to boot a 32-bit system04:49
DJ_Stefan0no it doesnt04:49
DJ_Stefan0i have an X800 pro.. its not natively suported by X04:49
magnonoh, I used that on x.org pretty good at least04:49
magnonATI states that 64 bit drivers are under development04:49
izaacthere is a xmms alternative ? =/04:50
DJ_Stefan0izaac: plenty04:50
DJ_Stefan0lol04:50
DJ_Stefan0izaac: try Noatun04:50
izaacDJ_Stefan0: ok04:50
__danielizaac, beep-media-player04:50
DJ_Stefan0magnon would the 32bit proprietary driver work under amd64bit Ubuntu?04:51
icarnalesi suuges gmpd04:51
icarnalessuuges = suggest04:51
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izaacim looking for an alternative cause my xmms crashes with the nvidia driver04:52
DJ_Stefan0magnon: how do i enable the restricted repository?04:52
izaaci dunno why :(04:52
dellaanyone has gnome and a ppp connection?04:52
icarnalesi got a pppoe conn04:53
plasmoyeah i got gnome and dialup04:53
magnonDJ_Stefan0: you can for instance do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:53
DJ_Stefan0isnt gedit graphical?04:53
dellawould you please try whether netspeed_applet2 works monitoring the ppp connection?04:53
magnonyes04:53
DJ_Stefan0cause remember i cant boot X04:53
magnonoh, you're in console04:53
DJ_Stefan0yes!04:53
dellain my sistem, it works on other interfaces but crashes with ppp04:53
magnonvim then04:53
DJ_Stefan0IRSSI04:53
DJ_Stefan0lol04:53
magnonsudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list04:53
magnonirssi rocks :)04:53
magnonone of the top lines should say deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main04:54
magnonmake it say deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted04:54
dellapackage is netspeed04:54
magnonthen you save the file and hit apt-get update04:54
DJ_Stefan0no it doesnt.. i hate it .. i only use it now cause i have no GUI.. all im using is my "pon" and the scripts...04:54
DJ_Stefan0ahh ok04:55
DJ_Stefan0how do u save a file in vim?04:55
icarnales:w04:55
icarnalesand :q quits04:55
icarnalesor for short :wq04:55
JanneMand :wq does both04:55
magnonand remember to hit esc first :p04:55
JanneMok, so vim is not the most obvious of applications04:56
DJ_Stefan0thanx04:56
magnonno prob :)04:56
magnonJanneM: but once you start getting it, it's great ;)04:56
JanneMI can't be without it04:56
JanneMseriously04:56
dellaicarnales, plasmo : did you try?04:56
JanneMwhenever I use something lika abiword or openoffice, I end up with vim commands strewn about my text04:57
icarnalessorry i have pppoe at home04:57
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icarnaleshahaha04:58
plasmoo_O04:58
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weswh-i don't understand the new concept of distros "supporting security patches etc" to their distro for x amount of time (18 months in this case)...couldn't I just continually update my kernel/programs etc - and be at the same point? Or is there some extra application layer that new distros are implementing...for security/upgradability?04:59
gilleshi kamion and other people here04:59
JanneMweswh-: it's for people that want to install and then not update04:59
magnonweswh-: very useful for servers etc. You want stability from one release.05:00
JanneMie. they have a server and want to stay with the same versions05:00
mjrweswh-, it's for those who'd rather not risk messing up a working system by upgrading significant parts of it05:00
JanneMchorus line05:00
weswh-so, what does the Ubuntu update do?05:00
weswh-pathces security in the outdated programs?05:00
weswh-patches, even05:00
JanneMexactly05:00
weswh-that's cool.05:00
JanneMall distros do, but it is time limited, of course05:00
Gmail1  Mandrakelinux  1543<05:00
Gmail2 Fedora 1292<05:00
Gmail3 SUSE 1059<05:00
Gmail4 Ubuntu 104705:00
Gmailwoot05:01
JanneMwhere?05:01
rcaskeyGoodness its so nice working with ubuntu05:01
weswh-what is that, distrowatch or something?05:01
gillesKamion, do you have any idea idea about my partition detection problem ?05:01
Gmailabout *40 hpd05:01
Gmailweswh-: yes05:01
KeybukGmail: aww, we dropped05:01
Keybukwe were #3 over the weekend05:01
Gmailin 1 month mode05:01
GmailKeybuk: no we didnt05:01
benerbi am having problems with my sound server, and was wondering if anyone knows how to change which one rhythmbox uses by default05:01
spiv_Keybuk: Well, our HPD went up, just that SUSE's went up more.05:02
Gmailyesterday we where 99705:02
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GmailSuSE just had a new releast which is on the home page yesterday05:02
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weswh-so, for all practical purposes ubuntu is brand new? meaning, this this is the first release? it sounds very promising..05:02
malikshi05:02
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weswh-i've been pulling my hair out trying to get a good gnome sysem going (2.8 esp)05:02
Gmailshess only 50 people look at it more than normal and one was me05:03
icarnalesmagnon: no clue where you get that gtk-sharp?05:03
maliksAnyone knows when can I expect the Ubuntu 'Free( hip hip hooray!)CD to arrive At my home05:03
magnonicarnales: universe :p05:03
JanneMubuntu is #10 on the three month scale which is pretty impressive for something that's only been publicly known for a third of that time05:03
spiv_icarnales: /topic05:03
icarnalesare you sure? there is no gtk-sharp in universe05:04
malikshey has anyone got the free CD yet??05:04
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benerbnope,,,still waiting on the cd05:04
malikssame here05:04
Gmailmaliks: they are still burning the cds05:04
spiv_icarnales: oops05:04
benerbi will have probably downloaded and replaced my PR cd by then05:04
spiv_maliks: /topic05:04
Gmailask mako05:04
maliksHey Anybody My printer (Canon XNU i255 ) is not working on Ubuntu!05:04
spiv_Gmail: I think you'll find they're being pressed.05:04
Gmailspiv_: they get press after burned05:05
maliksI dont mind ewven if they dont send me05:05
maliksbut I have to make up my mind now that 1.0 is out05:05
maliksWhether to burn the CD myself or wa...it for the free CD05:05
JanneMI'll be spreading the CD:s in the office05:05
maliksBTW can nyone help me set up my printer ( Canon i255 ) setup successfully on Linux05:05
rcaskeyis there a package that is needed for mysql support in php05:05
PandUI have just set up ubuntu 32 bit and startx is giving error whats the command line to reconfigure x or may be change resolution05:05
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SuperQmaliks: i would check linuxprinting.org05:06
Gmailspiv_: and mako said there are people which order 60k05:06
Gmail*over05:06
magnonicarnales: it has been there, google says so05:06
PandUAlso is there an editor other than vim a user freindly one05:06
maliks60k05:06
magnonbut it's not there anymore05:06
SuperQmaliks: well.. if the site wasn't broken05:06
benerbdoes anyone know anything about how to change the Gstreamer audio server sink in ubuntu?05:06
weswh-the default desktop for ubuntu is gnome 2.8?05:06
magnonweswh-: yes05:06
weswh-that's amazing.05:06
maliks60k! Abs absurd: kind of abusing the service05:06
spiv_benerb: run gstreamer-properties05:06
magnonbenerb: gstreamer-properties05:06
benerbcool05:06
benerbspiv & magnon: thanks!  I am used to FC and having it on the menu05:07
maliksBTW Any idea how they are supposed to give these for free ( CDs) when on the other hand Yoper is broke05:07
magnonbenerb: it should be in the menu.05:07
magnonI recon.05:07
magnonit's not, but it should05:07
GmailPandU: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree05:07
magnonactually, the whole dialog should belong somewhere else ;)05:07
magnonwho the hell knows what "alsasink" does anyway05:08
benerbmagnon - a fully agree - i forgot what it was called in FC - but ubuntu defaulted to ESD and it sucks terribly on my laptop...nice for my multimedia server, but not the laptop05:08
maliksHey! help please !!! (::plead::) Canon xnu i255 printer05:08
SuperQmaliks: linuxprinting.org05:08
maliksi have tried that SuperQ but thanks anyways05:08
SuperQmaliks: if you can't find it there, it's not going to work05:09
PandUGmail, it says its not installed why05:09
maliksoops...05:09
malikslooks like I have have to live with Winblows then????05:09
rcaskeyphpMyAdmin says that I need mysql modules for php05:09
PandUGmail, may be the package name is different05:09
rcaskeyI don't see anything like that in my package cache05:09
maliksjust for a printer I will have to keep my computer dirty ? you mean?05:10
rcaskeyis that only in universe?05:10
GmailPandU: md5sum your cd and ask bob2 to help you or Kamion05:10
rcaskeyam I missing something obvious?05:10
weswh-man, they are giving away a lot of cds. hehe05:10
maliksCanon i255 Please someone05:10
Gmailmaliks: GooGLE!05:11
maliksHey Gmail I have already tried Google but no  (:: BTW sponsoring your Co. Everywhere you go??? Mr. Gmail!)05:11
maliksoops05:11
maliksmr. /Ms.05:11
maliksjust made a guess!05:11
stvnmaliks: it looks like the i255 is not supported by linux05:12
stvnmaliks: mail/phone/bug canon for drivers05:12
GmailI AM MR SIR!05:12
malikshey nice idea but are they going to listen to me  ?05:12
maliksok Mr. Gmail05:13
maliksI hope you arent knighted et? Are you?05:13
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stvnmaliks: probably not, but if enough people bug them, they just might, if you don't bug them they'll never produce drivers05:13
Gmailthere write spelling05:13
maliksAnkit Malik wants to hit Canon for compelling me to use Winslows05:13
maliks(::cry::)05:14
stvnmaliks: or 'just' swap your printer for a supported one05:14
stvnmaliks: send the printer back to canon and tell them it doesn't work and you want your money back ;)05:14
malikshey ! nice one pro!05:14
malikswill try that one out!05:14
maliksthanks05:14
maliksSTVN ( Hey! That is a strange name!)05:15
maliksBye Everybody05:15
maliksand dont forget05:15
maliksto Hail Ubuntu05:15
maliks!05:15
maliksSlightly off track but how do you post messages like Gmail did ' I wanna hit Canon with XYZ ...'05:16
stvnmaliks:  /me05:16
maliksok lemme try05:16
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maliksyeeah! thanks05:17
rcaskeywhat's the appropriate way to retreive only one package from universe?05:17
weswh-how often should one reasonably check for updates to the system? to expect security/usability/stability fixes...every couple days?05:17
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stvnrcaskey: enable the universe source in synaptic, reload, select the package, install it, disable the repository and reload05:17
rcaskeybut that means you wont get security updates right?05:18
maliksweswh: if you are an idiot : never; if you love your PC: 2-3 days and if you are paranoid : couple of hours will do05:18
stvnweswh-: join the security announcement mailinglist and you'll know05:18
benerbanyone know how to turn off the ability to click by tapping a touchpad...i think support was finally added for my synaptic pad on my dell, and now i dislike it05:18
maliksHas anyone heard of Scitech ( hey I am no Scitech person)05:18
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maliksI used hteir graphical drivers and it has accer... X server by 100 %05:18
sgtshattaI get this error when compiling gdesklets 0.30 configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool05:19
sgtshattamy $PATH IS :/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games05:20
weswh-is warty now final...or is it still preview? can't tell from the site05:20
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__danielsgtshatta, libxml-perl will help you there05:20
magnonweswh-: final05:20
sgtshattadaniel: so i need to install libxml-perl can i use apt-get05:21
sgtshatta?05:21
__danielsgtshatta, yes05:21
weswh-so it'll be april before they move to x.org? guess it's not of real consequence as long as what they are using works.05:21
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sgtshattadaniel: thank you much that works05:22
weswh-they don't make any promises as to how seamless their upgrades will be...but i imagine that'd be one of their biggest focuses?05:22
__danielsgtshatta, woohoo!05:22
stvnweswh-: yeah05:23
weswh-anyone optimized it for i68605:23
stvnweswh-: and they're going into large pains to get the xfree->xorg migration seamless05:23
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stvnj05:24
Gmailmaliks: i am also using a /slap script05:25
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GmailAHHHHHHHH05:25
Gmailrcaskey: php is in universe05:25
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KamionGmail: try not to volunteer other people's help unless you know them well, please05:26
KamionPandU: the package name is 'xserver-xfree86'05:26
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rcaskeygmail: hrmm05:27
rcaskeyyou sure?05:27
rcaskeylibapache2-mod-php4 seemed to be in warty at any rate05:28
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grubermanNow I'm getting confused. What has moinmoin to do with installing apache?05:28
grubermanJust saw it on the wiki05:29
Kamionrcaskey: that's right; the 'php4' package is in universe, but is more geared towards apache 105:29
sparkesrcaskey, this was covered on the users list05:29
grubermanCan't I just install libapache2-mod-php4?05:29
bob2gruberman: yes05:29
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grubermanthx bob205:30
bob2gruberman: but moinmoin is written in python, not php05:30
jdeHello, anyone know how to setup user pictures for GDM?05:30
grubermanI probably got the wrong page when I was looking for info on installing php+apache05:31
grubermangah.. it said mod_python ;)05:31
sgtshattadaniel: here is another error when trying to install gnome python configure: error: could not find Python headers05:32
stvnjde: rename the photo ~/.face and it should work05:32
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jdestvn: any format?05:33
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phosphorgreenHello everyone, how are we all today? I can't seem to enable dma mode for my cdroms with hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda -- I'm sudo'ing to root, but it tells me the operation is not permitted, anybody any ideas?05:35
LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, your cdrom is on /dev/hda ?05:36
phosphorgreenyes05:36
phosphorgreenmy hdd is a SATA device05:36
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smjphosphorgreen: SATA devices are usually seen by the kernel as SCSI devices.  ARe you sure your cdrom is on /dev/hda?05:39
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LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, ls -al /dev/cdrom just to make sure your on /dev/hda05:39
phosphorgreenroot@jabba:~ # ls -la /dev/cdrom05:39
phosphorgreenlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            8 2004-10-25 14:28 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hda05:39
phosphorgreentrust me, I know that much ;)05:39
LinuxJonesheh05:40
smjphosphorgreen: What kind of cdrom do you have?05:40
phosphorgreeni have 2: /dev/hda is an LG CD RW drive. /dev/hdc is a Pioneer DVD rom drive05:40
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smjphosphorgreen: Do you have any issues with dma on the Pioneer drive?05:40
phosphorgreenone moment, i'll check...05:41
phosphorgreenyes, i have the same issue05:41
smjphosphorgreen: LG has routinely been a thorn in my side.  So much so, that whenever I get one in a PC from the hardware department I send it back demanding they replace that crap.05:41
phosphorgreeni build the PC myself. The LG drive is just a run-of-the-mill upgrade drive05:42
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smjphosphorgreen: I get /dev/cdrom: using_dma    =  1 (on) for my DVD writer.  Hmmm...05:43
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Gmailrcaskey: postive i am look at where everything is kept right now!05:44
rcaskeyGmail: hrmm05:44
LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, your master/slave switch wouldn't be mis-set on the cdrom drive ?05:44
smjShit!  I'm in the wrong channel!05:44
phosphorgreenyeah, im defo having an issue with the DMA. DVDs are really sluggish and so is cd writing. Im using a AMD64 3000+ with 512MB DDR 3200 so it should be fine for dvd05:45
phosphorgreenLinuxJones: I don't think so, since they are both masters -- /dev/hda is primary master for it's channel and /dev/hdc is primary master for it's channel05:45
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phosphorgreeni mean secondary master05:45
LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, that's odd05:46
smjphosphorgreen: I wish I could help you, but I'm not sure what to tell you.05:46
LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, maybe you should file a bug and/or check the mailing lists for similar problems.05:47
phosphorgreenim reading something on the ubuntu lists now with regards to piix chipsets05:47
phosphorgreeni think im not the only one - its a SATA issue05:47
maltehttp://noraisin.net/~jan/generators/ubuntu/ubuntu-release.php heh05:48
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smjphosphorgreen: Good luck.05:48
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phosphorgreenthanks smj05:49
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stvnmalte: this one is good, noone will be able to spell it right: Interreticular Iguana05:50
Keybukstvn: doesn't end in 'y' :)05:50
stvnTallowy Thrush05:50
KeybukInky Iguana05:50
stvnwhat's a thrush?05:50
phosphorgreena bird05:51
phosphorgreenor a nasty STD05:51
phosphorgreen;)05:51
stvnhm, the random generator doesn't take the y issue into account05:51
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KeybukBendy Badger05:51
stvnphosphorgreen: heh, thanks05:51
Keybukstvn: *shrug* I assume the author didn't know about it :o)05:52
Keybukactually, I like 'bendy', that will give elmo the giggles05:52
stvnhow about this one: Semiexpository Springbok05:52
stvnKeybuk: heh05:52
makoGmail: 60k is a lot closer to the total than the largest order05:52
KeybukTricky Turtle05:53
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Gmailmako: you said you are worid about the 60k oders05:53
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KeybukGmail: that's a *lot* of CDs05:54
Keybuklike, a small warehouse full05:54
__daniel60k CDs or 60k different orders?05:54
Keybuk100CDs will fill a cupboard quite effectively05:54
Keybuk1,000CDs will fill a small room05:54
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=== __daniel imagines a horde of monkeys opening cddrives, putting cds in them, packaging them, ... :-)
makoGmail: the largest order is 10,000 and i've talked to the people and told them we won't be sending it05:56
makoGmail: if i said 60,000, i twas a typo05:56
xf_heh, holy crap05:56
xf_what are the largest orders you /are/ sending?05:56
makoxf_: a few very large conferences are getting a few thousand05:57
xf_fair enough, i guess. i hope your printing costs are low :)05:57
makoi once carried 200 cds on an international plane flight.. it's a lot of cd05:57
xf_canonical funding the prints?05:57
LinuxJonesSomeone ordered 10,000 copies of Ubuntu ?05:57
SuperQhaha05:57
xf_i guess if you look at this as marketing, it's a cheap way to do it, really05:57
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bob2Gmail: the lugs in sydney will be well covered05:58
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jeldhello all05:59
xf_i dropped my powerbook tonight06:00
xf_power cable is completely mangled, and there's a big dent where the power plug goes in06:00
xf_not to mention scratching on the bottom of the case, but that's the least of my worries :-(06:00
LinuxJonesxf_, omg that sucks06:00
xf_no kidding06:00
xf_wasn't cheap either, heh06:00
LinuxJonesxf_,I hope you have some type of insurance06:00
xf_i always drop things06:00
xf_no, i don't, i'm currently investigating it06:00
xf_so yeah, ironical i guess06:00
LinuxJonesxf_, argh :(06:01
xf_murphy's law they call it, right?06:01
xf_i haven't found any laptop insurance in au that covers accidental damage06:01
xf_haha i wonder if i could find one, and they'd cover me without inspecting the laptop06:01
xf_them i claim in a month :-p06:01
Gmailbob2: then why not cut down my order06:01
xf_then, even06:01
bob2Gmail: that's a good idea06:02
Gmailmako: i can change my number to like 150 as bob2 claims all the uni sydney lug are coved06:02
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makoGmail: what was it before?06:02
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xf_geez spam sucks lately06:06
xf_i make a post on a lug list about how dell laptops suck06:06
xf_now i'm recieving loads of spam telling me i've won a dell laptop06:06
xf_might be a conincendence, but heh06:06
xf_coincidence, even06:06
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jonahhi ! is there no kernel-source avaible for the 2.6.8.1 kernel !?06:09
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crimsunlinux-source-2.6.8.106:10
theinewhat came out of the meeting yesterday?06:10
grubermanIf I install libapache2-mod-php4 can I install mysql later?06:11
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bob2Gmail: sure06:12
bob2gruberman: ^^06:12
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grubermanbob2: And it will work? :)06:12
bob2of course.06:12
grubermanbob2: You haven't seen what I can do when it comes to f*** ups :)06:14
Gmailmako: sorry back06:16
Gmailmako: 200 i386, 50 ppc, 50 amd06:16
makoGmail: i'm in the community council meeting06:16
Gmaili want to change it to 75 i386, 25 ppc and 25 amd06:17
Gmailmako: ok06:17
makoGmail: please go, ahead and change it.. you don't need my held to do this :)06:20
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kensaiHow can I add apps to the gnome menu? cause ubuntu doesn't do this automagically06:21
Gmailmako: wait have you made 300 cd yet for me? or still need to make them?06:21
bob2kensai: applications:/// in ubuntu06:21
bob2Gmail: cds have not started shipping yet, it's fine to change it06:21
Gmailkensai: gnome does it automaticly and if it doesnt restart gnome06:22
Gmailbob2: but the printed the cds06:22
Gmailif they printed the cds they might as well go ahead06:22
bob2Gmail: it's fine to change it still06:22
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Gmailbob2: ok06:22
makoGmail: i don't remember everbody personally.. msg me you email address that you used to register and i can tell you06:23
kensaino I have installed nvclock and tuxracer and gtk-gnutella from apt and they are not in the gnome menu06:23
Gmailmako: ok06:23
makobob2: not quite true.. cds have not shipped but large parts of the db have been forzen06:23
kensaithanks bob2 that works06:23
oddabe19kensai, i know, i have the same problem06:23
bob2mako: argh, sorry06:23
bob2kensai: er, applications:/// in nautilus06:24
kensaiYeah thanks bob206:25
kensaiso I move the apps to applications:/// ?06:25
bob2kensai: no, you can make menu items ther06:25
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Gmailkensai: add them manuly app like that dont add them self maybe mention it at the end of the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting that maintanor should make the app add it self to gnome menu and kde menu06:25
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WWkensai: Right-click in a submenu...06:26
WWkensai: Or take a look at 5.6 here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions06:27
kensaiOhh ok thanks it is working06:27
oddabe19everyonce in a while, i'll get an error "there was an error setting up inter-process communications for kde. the message returned by the system was:"06:27
oddabe19"Could not read network connection list. /home/oddabel/.DCOPserver_ubuntu_006:28
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oddabe19can anyone help with that, I use Gnome, so i shouldnt' have that problem06:29
stvnoddabe19: do you use kde programs?06:29
sparkesGmail, stop interupting #ubuntu-meeting with OT suggestions please06:32
Gmailhow is it off-topic?06:32
sparkesif you don't understand why it's offtopic keep you questions to here ;-)06:33
Gmailyou where talking about package maintanor and i wanted to add it before you move on and i was a bit slow06:33
oddabe19stvn... only k3b... but never mind, i just fixed it... permissions were set wrong06:33
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sparkesThe discussion is about mentoring new maintainers and tools to faciliate ease of patch submission, it's nothing to do with GNOME menus06:34
stvnoddabe19: heh ok06:34
KamionGmail: community council purpose is here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/governance06:34
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bratscheQuick question - when I restarted, X wouldn't start on its own because my nvidia kernel driver wasn't loaded.  I thought it is supposed to do this automatically.  How do I fix this?06:41
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Gmailbratsche: you installed the modules?06:43
stvnbratsche: check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fVideoCards06:43
Gmailtheres a meeting go on and most people are in it06:43
bratscheGmail: Yeah.  And after I installed it, it was working.  But when I reset the computer now it's not.06:43
stvnbratsche: basically you need to install the modules and change the XFConfig-4 file06:43
Gmaildo as stvn06:44
kensaigcc is not installed in ubuntu?06:44
stvnkensai: not at default06:44
HcEapt-get install build-essential06:44
kensaiI installed gcc 3.4 from apt is this ok?06:44
HcEjepp06:45
kensaibut still can't compile nvclock so I need to reboot?06:45
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bratschestvn: I installed it with apt-get, and I modified XFConfig-4.  It was working when I did this.  In fact, I just manually did modprobe nvidia and then startx worked fine.06:45
HcEbuild-essential is just a virtual package which depends on the usual build-stuff =)06:45
stvnkensai: if you only need gcc it is, but for compiling software you probably want/need more, build-essentials has most essential stuff to build software (hence the name)06:45
bratschestvn: The problem is that the kernel module isn't loading automatically when I start X.  I have to manually modprobe it.06:45
kensaistvn: thanks06:45
HcEbratsche: are you sure you have all nessesary libraries?06:45
stvnbratsche: add nvidia to /ets/modules06:46
stvnbratsche: /etc/modules that is06:46
GmailHcE: no it depends on gcc-3.3 and you cant call gcc-3.3 more normal than gcc-3.406:46
HcEah, ok06:46
HcEjust install gcc-3.3 too?06:46
HcEand compile with 3.3 version06:46
Kamion3.3 is the default gcc version right now06:47
Kamionkensai: install the 'gcc' package rather than picking a particular one06:47
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aLi`fonts are too small in applications.. like xmms, kvirc,06:47
Kamionthe gcc package is what gives you /usr/bin/gcc, so it's what you want anyway06:47
kensaiOk I just installed build-essentials now and removed gcc 3.4 and g++ 3.406:54
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ChibaPetHey, all. I haven't installed Ubuntu yet, but I'm likely going to do it later this week. A question... Does ubuntu come with dselect, and is it possible to use it, if it exists, to select initial packages?06:54
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bratschestvn: Thanks, that fixed it!06:54
WWChibaPet: I think the installer has an "expert" mode (but I haven't tried it, so I can't answer any questions about it).06:54
ChibaPetHow about dselect? I'd sorely miss that if it's not supported.06:54
ChibaPetCan't seem to find a package listing on the Ubuntu site.06:54
WWChibaPet: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/06:54
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ChibaPetthanks06:54
stvnnp06:54
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bratscheShit, now firefox is segfaulting.06:54
grubermanbrb06:54
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ChibaPetNice:06:54
ChibaPetPackage: dselect06:54
ChibaPetPriority: required06:54
kensaiok nvclock installe flawlessly06:55
ChibaPetI'm officially looking forward to this now. :)06:55
KamionChibaPet: yes, that's so that upgrades from woody using dselect aren't disastrous06:55
Kamionbut I don't think we plan to remove dselect; if nothing else elmo and I would probably both start a riot06:55
ChibaPetHeh.06:55
ChibaPetI am a fan of dselect. I'd have to help riot if I get into Ubuntu and then lose dselect. :)06:56
ChibaPetLinguicide. Eek.06:56
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ChibaPetAnyway, thanks, all, for the pointers!06:56
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matthew_has anybody here tried to run two operating systems at once? (ubuntu and windows XP)06:57
bratscheWith VMware or something?06:57
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matthew_nope, i just partitioned the hard drive and have both ubuntu and windows installed, the only problem is i that i cannot boot into windows because ubuntu boots automoatically06:58
bratscheOh, okay.  That's easy to fix.06:58
matthew_i was wondering if anybody knew how to set it up so that i could boot windows as well06:58
bratscheYou need to edit your grub.conf file.06:58
Kamionpress Escape at boot time06:58
Kamionyou'll get the grub menu06:58
matthew_okay06:58
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matthew_thats where i get lost, because im knew to linux/ubuntu06:59
diegobratsche, actually i believe there is only menu.lst but i may be wrong06:59
Kamionyes, /boot/grub/menu.lst06:59
bratscheOh, okay.06:59
bratscheMy grub is installed from Fedora, and I think it has a grub.conf file somewhere in either /boot or /etc.07:00
matthew_could somebody give me step by step instructions as to what to do?07:00
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matthew_like i said, um a newbie07:00
matthew_im*07:00
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shawnrWondering how to change the default vnc port... Anyone give me a hand?07:00
shawnrvncserver port07:01
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WWmatthew_: I think Kamion meant that when you reboot, there is a time when you can press Escape, and that should bring up a menu from which you can choose either Ubuntu or Windows.07:02
matthew_i wish it were that easy07:02
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matthew_i have to enter some commands, and i dont know them07:02
diegomatthew_, hold on a sec and i'll show you how07:02
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matthew_ok, thanks07:02
HonningmusenWhat can I do, if my installation tells me, that I need some modules to get some of my hardware working?07:03
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diegomatthew_, read this page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10#doc_chap207:03
matthew_ok, thanks a bunch diego07:06
deFryskhoary repo is up I noticed07:06
diegomatthew_, you should be able to stop after editing the (grub.conf or menu.lst) file07:06
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TreenaksdeFrysk: topic ;)07:06
bratscheDoes anyone else have problems with Firefox crashing when you use the Google search toolbar?07:06
WWbratsche: Nope.07:06
matthew_this looks like it should help me a lot07:06
deFryskTreenaks, I just updated to hoary :s07:06
KamiondeFrysk: don't, it's BROKEN07:06
bratscheIt's crashing very consistently for me right now.07:06
KamiondeFrysk: it will stay broken for a while07:06
deFryskKamion, then i am broken07:06
KamiondeFrysk: expect no support07:06
Kamion:-)07:06
deFryskdid not do a dist-upgrade though07:06
benerbwhy firefox only .93 or whatever?07:06
Kamionthe hoary repository's open for easier development coordination, not because we expect it to be usable yet07:06
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WWbenerb: There's a thread in the mailing list about it... 1.0PR is buggy.07:07
Kamionit's in a strange partial-merged state at the moment07:07
benerbok..i need to join the ubuntu mailing list...i am still on FC's Test07:07
benerbWW, thanks07:07
WWbenerb: np07:07
WWbenerb: I don't subsribe to it, I just browse the archive now and then.  200 or so emails a day is a bit much.07:08
rizzooI can't find the config file for the Remote Desktop in Ubuntu... Need to change the default port.07:09
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matthew_ok, another question: how do i use the tab completion mechanism while i am entering commands?07:09
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matthew_nothing seems to be working for me quite as the instructions say07:09
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diegorizzoo: have you checked the related files in the man page? i'd try to be more helpful but don't have access to a ubuntu box right now07:10
deFryskwell , the upgrade worked out fine (not dist-upgrade)07:10
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diegomatthew_, when you are editing the config file you don't get tab completion07:11
rizzooyeah I didn't even think of looking there... Haven't had coffee yet. New to Ubuntu an the server conf file doesn't appear to be at the right place.07:11
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nathanieldelaneyi got some newb questions that I can't find explained on the website.  is this the place for that?07:11
matthew_ok, thats not good for me07:12
diegonathanieldelaney, mmm...probably, proceed07:12
matthew_every command i enter is unrecognized07:16
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diegomatthew_, don't use the command mode, just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst the way the gentoo handbook link i sent you says07:16
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nathanieldelaneywell, I'd like to install some .deb packages from the internet, but I can't figure out how to get them installed07:16
matthew_ok07:16
deFryskdpkg -i07:16
nathanieldelaneydo I need to load them into synaptic or use terminal commands?07:16
sparkesnathanieldelaney, you will be better off sticking with ubuntu packages but if you really must install a deb like this dpkg -i packagename07:16
nathanieldelaneythank you07:16
sparkesnathanieldelaney, dpkg -i packagename at the cl07:16
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grubermanI have a Dlink 604 router with built-in firewall. Is that enough?07:22
grubermanNot that I have any interesting on th ebox anyway....07:22
diegogruberman, enough?07:22
grubermanwell, protection wise07:22
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diegothat's probably an opinion07:22
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kensaiI'm trying to play a .mpg and a .avi from my usb stick and totem says it can not play it. Is it cause of some codecs not being installed by default?07:26
diegokensai, yeah...licensing issues07:28
kensaione of them is /mpeg07:28
kensaiso how can I install this?07:28
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diegokensai, give me a sec, there was a forum thread about it somewhere07:28
kensaiThanks07:28
diegokensai, look around http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 and keep in mind it's 3 pages long so there might be some more relevant stuff at the end07:29
kensaithanks07:30
benerbanyone know how to use the gstreamer-properties to send all gstreamer sounds to a remote ESD?07:30
delireat the point of install can i opt not to install gnome altogether?07:30
delire<-- knows v'little about ubuntu07:31
diegodelire, i believe with an advanced setup you can choose which packages you would like installed07:32
delirediego: and advanced setup is at the lilo/grub prompt?07:32
delirediego: or thereabouts?07:33
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diegowell i know it's at the bootloader but for example when it failed for me it put me into advanced mode so there may be a way to change during the wizard07:33
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delirediego: and can i use a mix of ubuntu and debian source repositories?07:34
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delire.. or are they mutually exclusive..07:34
diegodelire, yeah...it's best to use ubunto packages if you can though as they will be more likely to be stable07:34
diegoubuntu*07:34
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delirediego: well i've been using debian for many years so i think i would miss a fair bit.07:35
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diegodelire, well i'm personally using the ubuntu base and then debian testing packages for kde07:36
diegono problems for me but there's no guarantee you'll have the same luck07:36
punkassi have the pre release installed ...does just doing an Update take me to the final release?07:36
punkassor do i have to do a dist-upgrade?07:36
benerbhas anyone used the ESD plugin for xmms to forward sound to a remote host?07:37
delirediego: right.. is there anyway i can browse the package repositories?07:38
delirediego: .. ideally in a searchable format online07:38
martinkpitti: are you coming to Linux-Info-Tag Dresden on Saturday?07:38
pittimartink: yes, I'll do07:39
pittimartink: I'll be at the Debian booth07:39
martinkpitti: great, will you have ubuntu cds ;)?07:39
diego tee hee07:39
pittimartink: if you have questions, can you please ask me later? I must go five minutes ago07:39
pittimartink: I'm afraid they won't be here on time07:39
martinkpitti: no real questions07:40
pittimartink: but if you need some, you can get some a bit later07:40
pittimartink: I will bring some to the University07:40
pittibye07:40
diegodelire, i'm not sure.. you could use synaptic but that's not online07:40
delireok.. are apt-get apt-cache apt-show apt-file and dpkg on board in ubuntu by default?07:41
delire<-- dislikes synaptic07:42
stvndelire: yes07:42
deliregreat07:42
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Kamiondelire: apt-file isn't there by default, and I don't know what apt-show is07:43
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Kamiondelire: apt-file's in universe07:43
delireare the /etc/rc* and /etc/init.d structures similar to that of debian?07:43
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Kamiondelire: fairly, yes07:44
Kamiondelire: there are tweaks for fancy output but the structure's the same07:44
stvndelire: hm, it looks like apt-show is missing as well, sorry wasn't checking the facts properly07:44
deliresorry meant apt-cache (show). misstype07:44
Kamionyes, that's there07:44
delirestvn: you weren't wrong. i was07:44
Kamionit's part of apt07:44
deliredoes ubuntu have a source repository?07:45
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stvndelire: yes07:45
bob2delire: yes07:45
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malteit is in your sources.list07:45
bob2the source is on the mirrors with the binaries, just like debian07:45
deliremalte: i haven't installed ubuntu. just probing07:45
maltedelire, ah :)07:45
delirebob2: excellent07:45
delirein debian version terms, what does 'warty' compare to.. i mean in the sense of package release dates not version epoch.07:46
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maltedelire, sarge, i think. hoary is going to be synced with unstable though, iirc07:47
delirehehe hoary07:48
stvndelire: sarge, but since it has a 6month release cycle it will always between sid and testing I guess07:48
delirebob2: a personal Q, why did you switch. i've been seeing you in #debian for years07:48
delirebob2: or have you even switched?07:48
delirestvn: hmm the release cycle is appealing07:48
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Wartyhello07:49
WartySomeone speaks french?07:49
bob2delire: I'm using both now...up to date + stable is a very sexy combo07:49
delirebob2: stable and unstable? wow..07:50
WartyI installed Ubuntu and i would like to know how to active the root account ?07:50
bob2Warty: wiki,ubuntu.com/RootSudo07:50
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bob2Warty: but you don't need to...07:50
Wartybob2 yes i know i use sudo07:51
Wartybut i don't like to use sudo07:51
delirebob2: as a hardened debian user, how do you find sudo being default?07:51
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bob2delire: I like it a lot, but I was using sudo for everything on Debian, anyway07:52
stvnsudo is very nice (might not be as hardened as bob but been using debian for more than 4 years now)07:52
bob2delire: if it really bothers you, you can just enable the root account with one command07:52
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Wartyand how to change the root pass ? sudo passwd ?07:52
delirebob2: cool07:52
bob2Warty: yes07:52
Wartyok bob207:52
TreenaksWarty: but you'll want to keep using sudo, really07:53
stvndelire: face it, there's no reason not to switch :P07:53
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delirestvn: hehe i don't like gome?07:53
delires/gome/gnome07:53
stvndelire: well who doesn't like gnome ;) - anyway that is a valid reason although kde works quite nicely as I understand07:53
delirestvn: i dislike both KDE and gnome, being a blackbox/openbox user of some years07:54
stvndelire: ah ok, well I must say the ubuntu-team has done their homework with gnome very good, it mostly just works07:55
delireso, aside from the regular release dates and the installer, why should i consider ubuntu?07:55
stvndelire: you get the fun of debian with a bit less of the hassle07:55
delirestvn: yep, well i think my sister might be keen, she's likely to migrate from suse soon07:55
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darian2khello07:55
darian2ksomeone know a german chat for ubuntu linux07:56
stvndelire: I switched because it's easier for me to manage the desktop computer in my studentshouse with ubuntu than with debian-sarge07:56
bob2delire: beautiful defaults, nudity in the default install and general awesomeness07:56
delirestvn: hmm.. for me debian is only a hassle on install. but hassle free install is significant in that i teach game development in linux and like to recommend distro's07:56
stvndarian2k: you tried if ubuntu-de exists?07:56
delirebob2: hmm07:56
darian2kstvn, no07:56
darian2kstvn, i think im stuppid :)07:56
darian2knever the less - nobody in the channel07:57
darian2ki use debian sarge 3.1 (testing)07:57
delirewhat is the intended target user(s) of ubuntu? business/developer/artist/neither/?07:57
stvndelire: well I've had some bad experiences with sarge updates and woody just doesn't cut it as a desktop for windows minded people ;)07:57
darian2kknow i think to switch07:57
delirestvn: valid points07:57
bob2delire: everyone07:57
darian2kbut i dont use gnome 2.8 - i use xfce07:58
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bob2delire: tho it is intended to be new-user-friendly07:58
darian2kthere some packets for xfce?07:58
darian2kor could i use debian .deb files?07:58
bob2darian2k: it's in universe, yes07:58
stvndarian2k: it is possible, I've upgraded one sarge PC with xfce, it all worked afterwards07:58
Olivier_54yo07:58
delirebob2: sorry to bug, but can you be more specific about the 'beautiful defaults'?07:58
darian2kstvn cool :)07:58
darian2kwhat is the diffrence between ubuntu and debian07:59
darian2kone friend of my say "its more like knoppix"07:59
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bob2delire: when you finish the install, you boot to gdm, then login...sudo is setup automatically, you're in the audio, video, cdrom, etc groups...the panel has a battery applet if you're on a laptop, wireless strength indicator if you have it...07:59
darian2khe mean that for example eject run undernormal user07:59
darian2kis that right07:59
bob2darian2k: no, it's not like knoppix07:59
delirebob2: nice nice07:59
stvndarian2k: but you might want to manually check if the ubuntu versions are installed if you want a real ubuntu system, since sarge has quite some packages which have higher versions than the ubuntu ones07:59
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delirebob2: speaking of wireless, any look toward auto-detction of centrino chipsets?08:00
darian2kwould it be some xfce version of ubuntu?08:00
bob2delire: yes, it will even install over it if you want08:00
bob2darian2k: xfce4 is in ubuntu, yes08:00
delirebob2: fantastic, so stable has a precompiled ipw2*00?08:00
darian2kgreat08:01
bob2delire: yes08:01
delirehmm, nice again08:01
darian2kbob2, i have think that only gnome28 in ubuntu08:01
bob2delire: ubuntu's kernels includes drivers for just about everything in the universe08:01
shawnrUsing remote desktop on my Ubuntu machine and apparently it's a program called Vino that does it. I would really like to change the default port to something else as it worries me to have the default. I have no idea how to change it and I've speent hours looking... Anyone know?08:01
bob2darian2k: by default it usesd gnome, but you can install xfce4 if you want08:01
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stvndarian2k: gnome28 is the default - and a very good default it is, but other (major) DEs do exist as well08:01
darian2kbob2 n1ce08:01
delirewhat is the stable kernel version in ubuntu?08:02
bob2delire: 2.6.8.108:02
delireshit great08:02
darian2kim a sys admin - and all our server runs know under debian08:02
delirethat's what i run08:02
bob2with a wholoe lot of patches and extra drivers08:02
darian2kknow i will testing ubutunu08:02
delirehehe coolness. becoming more interested08:02
bob2shawnr: you want to change thedefault port for security reasons?08:02
darian2kfirst for workstations08:02
darian2klater for server08:02
darian2kgot ubuntu make a special server version=?08:03
delirebob2: and do you have any warnings/pointers when considering using debian's repositories?08:03
bob2darian2k: ubuntu includes a full set of common server apps on the cd08:03
bob2delire: don't do it08:03
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CaMPiNo16hi everybody08:03
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schweebthere's not really much reason to install ubuntu on a server yet IMO08:03
delirebob2: how many packages in ubuntu?08:03
bob2delire: universe has almost everything from sid (tho from june)08:03
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shawnrI got disconnected did anyone answer my question??08:03
darian2kapache or XAMPP08:03
darian2kfor example08:04
delirebob2: right..08:04
bob204:02 < bob2> shawnr: you want to change thedefault port for security reasons?08:04
delirebob2: who the hell maintains all these?08:04
shawnrexactly08:04
CaMPiNo16anybody know when wen recived ubuntus?08:04
bob2delire: ~1400 in supported, 10 000 in universe08:04
bob2shawnr: that doesn't really help08:04
bob2CaMPiNo16: end of november08:04
CaMPiNo16but i live in spain08:04
PandUwhat is the command to display attached usb devices08:04
shawnrno? I guess they could just scann right...08:04
bob2schweeb: six monthly releases and 18 months of security updates is a good sell for me08:04
CaMPiNo16so later08:05
bob2schweeb: yes08:05
bob2PandU: lsusb08:05
bob2CaMPiNo16: end of november08:05
CaMPiNo16end of novembre of uk??08:05
bob2shawnr: yes08:05
CaMPiNo16fr sry08:05
Kamiondelire: they're maintained in Debian and we apply further maintenance to Ubuntu (fix some Ubuntu-specific things and some general bugs, depending on what's needed)08:05
darian2kbob2,  what is with usb devices - run that like red hat's core3 or core208:05
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bob2CaMPiNo16: you will probably get yours at the end of november, like everyone else08:05
darian2ki mean i put usb on an then they mount my usb-stick08:05
shawnrk thanks makes sense...08:05
bob2darian2k: right08:05
delirebob2: does universe improve on dependency issues encountered in debian unstable?08:05
schweebbob2: as long as your crucial apps are in supported... woody/sarge have security updates as well08:05
bob2darian2k: gnome-volume-manager does that08:05
delireKamion: right.. interesting approach08:06
bob2schweeb: sarge did not until like last week08:06
darian2kbob2, now im hot like chilli of ubuntu08:06
darian2k:)08:06
bob2or does it still not have them?08:06
Kamiondelire: in warty, we have not been maintaining universe particularly actively08:06
darian2kit shows like a great disti08:06
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schweebit's had them for at least a month afaik08:06
Kamiondelire: that'll hopefully improve, but it needs community help; the core team doesn't have time08:06
delireKamion: right..08:06
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bob2schweeb: ok, then for the 27 months between woody's release and last month, you've had no choice but woody08:06
darian2kbob you think ubuntu is the first real version of08:06
deliredoes Ubuntu use x.org or the stock XFree?08:06
darian2kdebian|desktop08:06
darian2k?!08:06
bob2delire: xfree86 4.3 + a big pile of patches08:06
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darian2kwill ubuntu use anaconda in futhure?08:07
delireright..08:07
bob2darian2k: I think it's a very big step towards a debian I could give my family to use08:07
darian2kcould i help !?08:07
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schweeband testing/sid are actually pretty damn stable and up to date as long as you don't get overzealous with dist-upgrades08:07
PandUbob2, i tried lsusb as root it seems to hang, I have ausb hard disk i wont to mount i tried sda and sda1 but to no avail08:07
delirecan someone give me an example of the command line approach to installing a package?08:07
tolle_Hmms, how do i get apache to use perl cgi files the way they should be used, instead of just showing the contents of the file.08:07
darian2ki will them now!!! download faster :)08:07
bob2PandU: is it formatted as ntfs?08:07
Kamiondarian2k: anaconda> unlikely08:07
bob2delire: apt-get install foo08:07
stvndarian2k: anaconda is considered as installer, but I think it's not yet decided, nor aimed at hoary08:08
Kamiondarian2k: possible, but unlikely; we have d-i expertise on-staff and no anaconda expertise08:08
bob2schweeb: but testin and sid have no security updates08:08
mxpxpoddoes anyone here know of mplayer ubuntu debs for powerpc?08:08
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PandUbob2, Its VFAT08:08
delirebob2: i dislike synaptic, largely because in debian it b0rkes my dependencies. what do you use on a day to day basis?08:08
bob2tolle_: they should run by default if they're .cgi and executable08:08
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bob2PandU: it should be mounted as you plug it in then...how up to date are you?08:08
bob2delire: aptitude.08:08
delireok08:09
tolle_bob2: hmms, maybe i just lack the support for perl files in apache then..08:09
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schweebthe packages themselves are updated as holes are found... may not be /quite/ as fast of a fix, but it's still there... and like I said, if your server package isn't supported in main, you're /not/ getting ubuntu security updates on it08:09
darian2kon openBSD or debian etc. homepages it give a page which have some logos, banners etc. from the disti08:09
delirewhat is Ubuntu's policy on non-free packages?08:09
bob2tolle_: you don't need support for that to run cgi scripts08:09
bob2delire: they go in multiverse08:09
darian2khow i could find some ubuntu logs and so08:09
tolle_bob2: strange then..08:09
darian2kdelire, great question08:09
delirebob2: right.. is there an option to use multiverse on install?08:09
PandUbob2, what do you mean by uptodate i have just installed the release ver08:09
stvndarian2k: check the wiki, it's there, i've seen it08:09
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darian2koki thx08:10
bob2schweeb: yes...I much prefer running ubuntu and knowing that security fixes will be available immediately isntead of some possibly distant point in the future as with sarge08:10
darian2kim shot awy08:10
bob2delire: I don't think so08:10
stvndarian2k: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork08:10
bob2PandU: ok.08:10
delireok08:10
bob2PandU: try asking on the ubuntu-users list then, it should Just Work08:10
darian2kstvn, THX08:10
darian2k:)08:10
HonningmusenI can't install Ubuntu. I'm using the install CD, but I get the message "unable to load some modules".. The modules are: agpgart, 8139too, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy... What can I do?08:11
deliredebian uses 'apt-get upgrade' to do a global package upgrade. what is the ubuntu equivalent?08:11
stvndelire: the same08:11
bob2Honningmusen: are you sure the cd burnt ok?08:11
delireok..08:11
PandUbob2, What could the device name be other than sda sda108:11
bob2PandU: tail -f /var/log/messages08:11
bob2PandU: then plug it and watch what it's called08:11
stvndelire: or actually they suggest synaptic, but apt-get works just as well08:11
tolle_bob2: then, what could i have forgotten to do since it just shows the contents of the file when i browse to the cgi file..08:12
HonningmusenIm downloading another ISO just to make sure.. But on a 512KB line it takes a lot of time :s08:12
darian2kcould i install ubuntu on a ext. usb hdd-device08:12
bob2tolle_: is the file executable?08:12
darian2kwithout patching kernel or something08:12
stvnHonningmusen: you could check the md5sum of the iso you already downlaoded08:12
bob2Honningmusen: you can just check the md5sum...08:12
dgiagiois ubuntu suitable for servers? i guess it installs X and stuff by default, which is not quite good in this case08:12
Honningmusencan't remember how to do that i windows :o(08:12
bob2dgiagio: if you choose the "custom" install option, it doesn't install X08:13
dgiagiobob2 nice08:13
darian2kcould i install ubuntu on ext. hdd-dvevice (on usb) ?08:13
darian2kwithout patching kernel or something?08:13
HonningmusenThen my new question must be: How do I check that the MD5SUM i correct (running XP) ?08:13
bob2darian2k: you probablyl can, but you'd have to do some manual fiddling08:14
delireeek08:14
tolle_bob2: yepp08:14
darian2kbob2, thx08:14
darian2k:)08:14
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bob2tolle_: and called something.cgi? and in the cgi-bin dir?08:14
bdaleI don't see anything in the faq or wiki about nvidia graphics drivers.  Am I missing it?08:14
bob2darian2k: if you manually mount the drive, you should be able to install it08:14
punkass_if i do a iwconfig wlan0 shows me the essid and key are set, then run ifup wlan0, it doesnt connect, then i check iwconfig again..and the key is no longer set08:14
bob2bdale: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki08:14
bdalebob2: thanks08:14
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punkass_any thoughts ?08:15
tolle_bob2: not in the cgi-bin dir.08:15
darian2kthanks all08:15
tolle_bob2: but in the folder for the "application"08:15
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guardianWelcome, guardian08:15
tolle_bob2: does that matter?08:15
bob2tolle_: did you enable execution on tha dir?08:15
HWolfCan anyone give me any pionters as to how to get my adsl-connection up?08:15
bob2tolle_: yes08:15
treyh0does gnome-cups-manager and -add have problems with parallel ports in Ubuntu?08:15
bob2HWolf: run pppoeconf08:15
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treyh0i can add a printer as usb, but not parport, and if i switch it from usb to parport it crashes08:16
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bob2assuming it's a pppoe connection08:16
darian2kgot ubuntu better serverfiles for example apache with classPDF or something in that case08:16
HWolfbob2, pppoeconf hangs for me.08:16
bdaleif anyone cares about such things, a link from the "official howto" page to the howto list in the wiki would help08:16
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bob2bdale: hm, I'll have a look-see08:17
HWolfbob2, any alternatives to pppoeconf?08:18
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HonningmusenHow do I check that I have the correct ISO using MD5SUM ?08:19
delirein wintel? no idea. it's been years since i've touched wintel08:20
bob2this isn't a windows support channel08:20
bob2but google for md5sum.exe08:20
stvnHonningmusen: you know how to make md5sums in windows already? otherwise google for it08:20
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Honningmusenthanks.. Google is my friend :D08:21
stvnHonningmusen: and the md5sums are listed at http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS08:21
aardvarkmd5sum [file] 08:21
aardvarkwill give checksum value08:21
aardvarkverify against what ISO should be08:22
PhoopHe;s at windows i think08:22
HWolfSo, what do I do if pppoeconf hangs at detecting my devices?08:22
bob2file a bug08:22
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HWolf:-S Can I get by it? get some different package, edit something manually?08:23
Phoopsudo cat suoders08:23
PhoopGhee08:23
PhoopDamn bitchx; looks to much @ terminal08:23
Phoop;x08:23
bob2you'd need to edit a bunch of files manually, but I don't know the exact details, sorry08:23
HWolfbob2, can I use like rp-pppoe?08:25
bob2I'm almost certain ubuntu's pppoe is rp-pppoe08:25
HWolfSucks, well. I'll try google.08:26
HWolfThanks.08:26
darian2kis ubuntu faster as debian?08:26
bob2HWolf: ask on the list08:26
stvndarian2k: feels like it, but no benchmark to back it up08:27
punkass_anyone have a dell D600 dial-up modem working08:27
punkass_with ubuntu of course..08:27
darian2ki test it08:27
HWolfdarian2k: It feels faster, installation is easier, but I feel the boot is slower.08:28
aardvarkdarian2k: and ... ?08:28
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darian2ki mean08:28
darian2ki will it test08:28
darian2ksorry my english sucks08:28
darian2kim a german08:29
darian2kman08:29
darian2k:)08:29
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aardvarkdarian2k: my German is rusty  :P08:29
ogradarian2k: ubuntu-de ;=08:29
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ogra;)08:29
darian2kTHX08:30
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weswh-i just ran the install...started fine...chose language, location, etc. then it did the detecting hardware phase..and now i'm looking at a blue screen...08:35
weswh-is this common in the hardware detect phase...should i let it sit for a while (5 minutes, 10..etc?)08:36
weswh-or is there a way I can find out why I had an error08:36
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HonningmusenWhile installing my computer says "failed to load some modules". I've tested the md5 and burnt a new CD, but I still get the problem.. How can I then install Ubuntu? I'm using the install-disk08:37
punkass_is there a howto on setting up a dialup connection?08:38
stvnweswh-: try alt-F208:38
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stvnHonningmusen: it doesn't continue with the instalation?08:38
Honningmusennope08:38
weswh-yeah, i can get to the vc stvn08:38
weswh-(i couldn't last time)08:39
Honningmusenafter the error message it hangs after 30 secs or so08:39
weswh-it detects hardware...spins up the cdrom like it's getting ready to do something..08:39
weswh-and that's it.08:39
weswh-now i'm in the vc - any advice?08:39
weswh-ah...08:39
weswh-nevermind. i've experience this problem before, ubuntu just made it farther than the other distros i have tried.08:39
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Pizbitheh08:39
weswh-vc 2 gives the error readout i guess?08:40
stvnHonningmusen: any fancy hardware? SATA, RAID stuff like that?08:40
HonningmusenI am using the "expert" mode08:40
HonningmusenNope.. I have Debian on the computer now.. It should work IMO08:40
deliredoes ubuntu have a /usr/share/doc ?08:40
stvnweswh-: vc2 produces most of the interesting readout indeed, I thought there was also something in vc3, not sure though08:41
Pizbitdelire: Why wouldn't it?08:41
stvndelire: yeah it does08:41
stvndelire: just install the damn thing ;)08:41
delirePizbit: some distro's don't08:41
HonningmusenThe modules not loaded are: agpgart, 8139too, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy08:41
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stvnHonningmusen: hm that's bad08:41
HonningmusenVery :s08:41
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delirestvn: hehe settle settle. debian has been a happy bedroom for me for several years. keen to check out all the pro'scons08:42
HonningmusenBut can't understand why Ubuntu can't find it, because I had no problems installing Debian08:42
weswh-i keep having a problem on this machine (pII400, ide generic stuff)...where whenever i put in a bootable linux cd, it gets to 'start kernel', and then does a Kernel Panic, Fatal Exception in Interrupt. In Intterupt handler - not syncing08:42
TyroHello All :)08:42
delireHonningmusen: maybe there is a single user mode and you can just modprobe them?08:43
delireHonningmusen: ahah, you're installing arent you ;)08:43
weswh-i've tried fedora, arch, and now ubuntoo - all the same result and error. common thread is the kernel...maybe this machine is having a problem booting 2.6?08:43
weswh-or 2.6 just doesn't like my hardware? do i have any recourse to this?08:43
weswh-or is the machine essentially just dead to any new linux distros?08:43
stvnweswh-: you could try to use the debian installer with kernel 2.408:44
Pizbitweswh-: Could be something simple, tried googeling for your problem?08:44
stvnweswh-: it's quite easy to move to ubuntu from there08:44
Honningmusendelire: yes I'am.. Trying to at least :P08:44
weswh-piz - yeah, google...forums, etc. no luck.08:44
delireweswh-: sounds a little serious with interrupts not syncing however.08:44
weswh-