[12:00] <bob2> whiprush: no
[12:00] <ogra> WW: ...tomorrow ?
[12:00] <Hikaru79> bur[n] er, it worked fine in Knoppix. But there were a lot of problems getting the Linux NVIdia driver to run in Debian :(
[12:00] <Hikaru79> Something about missing kernel headers
[12:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: its easy in ubuntu
[12:00] <Hikaru79> Spent a whole day trying to fix it, gave up, and switched to Knoppix HD-Install ^ ^;;
[12:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: no need to compile ;)
[12:00] <Hikaru79> OK, I'm convinced :)
[12:01] <georgia> out of curiousity, has anyone gotten maconlinux to work with warty?
[12:01] <Hikaru79> I'm gonna boot back into Knoppix for a few minutes to download and burn the Install CD :)
[12:01] <Hikaru79> later
[12:01] <bob2> georgia: yes, people have
[12:01] <ogra> georgia: there is a thread on the  ubuntu-users ML
[12:01] <georgia> okies i'll have a look there, thanks
[12:07] <tpdd> So can you use debian sources with ubuntu?
[12:07] <bob2> yes
[12:07] <ogra> tpdd: you shouldnt, but you can
[12:07] <siimo> tpdd,  not recommended
[12:07] <bob2> but it's no supported and may not work
[12:07] <bob2> you're on your own
[12:08] <cardador> ive erased a lot of files accidentally on my reiserfs partition... is there anything i can do?
[12:08] <bob2> no
[12:09] <cardador> tks :(
[12:09] <bob2> you can try things like dumping the partition with "strings", etc
[12:10] <cokkiedough> rm -rf * rocks
[12:10] <cardador> bob2: dont know how to do that, and i think i just lost some music files, so no big deal
[12:10] <cardador> cokkiedough: yeah :)
[12:10] <bob2> cardador: ah, very hard to get back then
[12:11] <nosilver4u> kind of a crazy question, but does anyone happen to know how to turn on auto-op on a channel?
[12:11] <cardador> cokkiedough: i thought i were on .Trash but i was on home...
[12:11] <cardador> bob2: it was rm * -R ...
[12:11] <cardador> im glad i killed it quickly
[12:18] <Krypt0n> hey guys, sorry im a bit of a newbie, but when i start synaptic (livecd) it says it can't 'stat' some package list or something
[12:18] <bob2> erm, what do you want to do with it on the livecd?
[12:19] <Krypt0n> test it
[12:19] <Krypt0n> install xmms
[12:19] <bob2> how can you install packages to a cd?
[12:19] <Krypt0n> it installs it to a ramdisk doesn't it?
[12:19] <Kamion> bob2: ramdisk.
[12:19] <bob2> ooooh
[12:20] <Krypt0n> any idea why its not finding the source?
[12:20] <Krypt0n> the net connection is fine (using xchat right now)
[12:20] <Kamion> Krypt0n: does hitting the Reload button help?
[12:21] <Krypt0n> let me see
[12:21] <Krypt0n> no
[12:21] <Krypt0n> says it 'could not download all repository indexes'
[12:22] <Krypt0n> 'no file or directory'
[12:22] <Kamion> does 'sudo apt-get update' run from a terminal say the same thing?
[12:23] <Kamion> hm, sorry, I'm going to have to go here, hope somebody else can take over
[12:23] <Krypt0n> does the same thing yeah
[12:24] <Krypt0n> http://www.pastebin.com/113690
[12:25] <Krypt0n> ahh, its not a big deal, as long as it works on the install
[12:25] <Krypt0n> i just wanted to see how it all works before i install it
[12:26] <malte> Krypt0n, ehm... could you paste the content of the sources.list as well? why does it try to connect to localhost?
[12:26] <Krypt0n> i have no idea
[12:26] <Kamion> Krypt0n: he means the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:26] <Krypt0n> btw where is sources.list?
[12:26] <Krypt0n> cheers
[12:26] <malte> oh, sorry
[12:26] <Kamion> Krypt0n: it sounds like that's broken, indeed
[12:26] <Krypt0n> heh
[12:26] <Krypt0n> yeah
[12:26] <Krypt0n> i'll get that for ya
[12:26] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted
[12:26] <Kamion> putting that in there on its own should do
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://127.0.0.1/warthog/ ./
[12:27] <Krypt0n> deb http://www.morphix.org/debian/ ./
[12:27] <Kamion> ah, just ditch lines two and three
[12:27] <Kamion> and file a bug :-)
[12:27] <Krypt0n> will do
[12:27] <Krypt0n> thanks
[12:28] <malte> are you sure those aren't supposed to be there btw?
[12:28] <malte> localhost looks strange of course... :)
[12:30] <Krypt0n> meh, nevermind, its not a big deal anyway since its a livecd, i just thought it might work
[12:30] <Krypt0n> cheers for the help anyway guys, appreciated :)
[12:30] <bob2> Krypt0n: please do file a bug
[12:30] <bob2> it is broken
[12:30] <Krypt0n> oh
[12:30] <Krypt0n> okay then, i'll get onto it now
[12:30] <bob2> thanks
[12:30] <Krypt0n> no problem
[12:31] <Krypt0n> its already reported :/
[12:31] <Krypt0n> i should check there first heh
[12:31] <jacob> Can use Totem-gstreamer use win32-addon dlls, or it just Totem-Xine?
[12:34] <xuzo> jacob: i think that gstreamer backend cannot use win32 dlls
[12:37] <mjr> just totem-xine at the moment
[12:37] <isam> Riddell: I should have listen to you, and waited until there is KDE in ubuntu
[12:37] <jacob> okay
[12:37] <bob2> isam: kde is in universe
[12:39] <isam> Riddell: your packages aren't working .. kdeinit did not start, complaining about a non-existant libXsomething
[12:40] <isam> bob2: yes, an old one .. that crashes since kdm
[12:40] <bob2> isam: did you file a bug?
[12:40] <andril> hello all - again!
[12:40] <bob2> or are you not supposed to file bugs on broken universe stuff?
[12:41] <isam> bob2: I thought that univerise isn't supported, and I wouldn't bother with bug reporting
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I'm about to install ubuntu
[12:42] <Hikaru79> Running from LiveCD at the moment
[12:42] <Hikaru79> And one question
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I want to format my drive BEFORE I run the installer
[12:42] <Hikaru79> I can do that from a LiveCD, right?
[12:42] <bob2> it should include mkfs, yes.
[12:42] <bob2> but why?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Because that way I can have you guys to help me while  I partition instead of doing it by myself during the installer :)
[12:53] <kapputu> hi guys.. welcome another newbie to ubuntu
[12:53] <kapputu> I'm getting this error with samba
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I'm planning on completely repartitioning and reformatting my drive
[12:53] <kapputu> something to do with a symbolic link to rc0.d and rc1.d
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I don't care about losing my data
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: what is the exact error?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Which partitions should I create for an ubuntu install?
[12:53] <bob2> Hikaru79: the installer has an option for "nuke this disk and partition it sensibly"
[12:53] <Hikaru79> A root partition and a "swap" partition? Anything else?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Really?
[12:53] <bob2> Hikaru79: yes.
[12:53] <Hikaru79> It'll create swap drives and everything by itself?
[12:53] <GotD0t> Hikaru79 yea
[12:53] <bob2> yes
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Sweet!
[12:53] <Hikaru79> So that's all I have to do for ideal partitions?
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Excellent :)
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Thanks guys ^ ^
[12:53] <Hikaru79> I'm gonna go install now ^ ^
[12:53] <GotD0t> have fun
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Thanks
[12:53] <GotD0t> see you on the other side
[12:53] <kapputu> gimme a minute bob, I'm downloading the x-window-system-dev and it's takin some time
[12:53] <Hikaru79> Be back soon, hopefully :)
[12:53] <Hikaru79> To report a succesful new Ubuntu user ^ ^
[12:53] <kapputu> btw <bob2> my wireless connection keeps getting disconnected
[12:53] <bob2> ?
[12:53] <kapputu> i'm using ndiswrapper on a TI ACX 111 chipset
[12:53] <bob2> ouch
[12:53] <tseng> ouch indeed
[12:53] <tseng> i have 2
[12:53] <bob2> there's not much anyone can do for you
[12:53] <kapputu> :(
[12:53] <bob2> maybe someone on the list will know
[12:53] <tseng> kapputu: if its the netgear, the card is just utter crap
[12:53] <kapputu> it's U.S.Robotics
[12:53] <kapputu> can someone suggest a better card ?
[12:53] <tseng> mine has the dinkiest antenna ive ever seen
[12:53] <xuzo> kapputu: have you take a look on http://acx100.sourceforge.net/?
[12:53] <kapputu> yeah i configured my wireless card using the guidelines there
[12:53] <tseng> acx111 support there is pretty limited
[12:53] <kapputu> but the connection keeps dropping if I dont use it
[12:53] <Anna> I'm still using the preview of Ubuntu. Should I download and install the final release or can I update one way or the other?
[12:53] <kapputu> right now I downloaded 40 MB in a few mins on a cable connec without any problem
[12:53] <xuzo> oh, ok. I try that project with a acx100 card. I didnt know the state about acx111
[12:53] <bob2> Anna: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradeGuide
[12:53] <Anna> ok, thanks
[12:53] <kapputu> hmm the error disappeared
[12:53] <kapputu> how do I fire up samba ?
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: install it
[12:53] <kapputu> yeah i installed it
[12:53] <bob2> then it will be running
[12:53] <kapputu> so how do I set it up ?
[12:53] <kapputu> I need to browse my local lan
[12:53] <bob2> you don't use samba to browse your lan
[12:53] <kapputu> then what is it used for ?
[12:53] <bob2> Anna: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[12:53] <andril> does any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: it's for running as a smb server, so other machines can get files/printers off you
[12:53] <kapputu> cool i need that too
[12:53] <kapputu> so what lan browser do I use ?
[12:53] <bob2> nautilus can do it
[12:53] <kapputu> don't i need to configure my workgroup ?
[12:53] <andril> does any one know if Ubuntu requires re-configuration after I install a working Sound Card?
[12:53] <mjr> andril, don't really know, but it shouldn't
[12:53] <andril> anyone????
[12:53] <bob2> kapputu: no
[12:53] <andril> mjr: thanks
[12:53] <bob2> andril: depends what you mean by configure.  it will load the module for it.
[12:53] <kapputu> ok got it
[12:53] <bob2> but it may or may not be the default if you have more than one
[12:53] <kapputu> how do I make nautilus open in the same window ?
[12:53] <cardador> kapputu: you can do that on Computer -> System conf -> Networking -> General, windows networking
[12:53] <imka> hey
[12:53] <jind> Have any more than me had problems with compiling xchat-2.4.0 on your ubuntu system?
[12:54] <bob2> kapputu: computer -> desktop -> file browsing
[12:54] <andril> I have a Combo card in right now thatt's junk - I just got a new card by C-Media
[12:54] <kapputu> great
[12:54] <kapputu> I got that working..
[12:54] <imka> any experiences with the live cd?
[12:54] <kapputu> i'll thank you guys after all my questions ;)
[12:54] <LinuxJones> imka, I have tried it and it works quite nicely
[12:55] <kapputu> I'm new to debian
[12:55] <kapputu> i've used redhat, mandrake before
[12:55] <ogra> kapputu: we all were new once ;)
[12:55] <kapputu> is there a good apt tutorial ?
[12:55] <bob2> there is
[12:55] <Tenniru> How do I configure Ubuntu to go on sleep mode when I close the lid on my iBook?
[12:56] <bob2> Tenniru: g4 ibook?
[12:56] <Tenniru> g3.
[12:56] <bob2> kapputu: depends what you want to know
[12:56] <Tenniru> It's an old Dual USB model. If it was better, I'd be using OS X now.
[12:56] <bob2> Tenniru: it's currently broken
[12:56] <Tenniru> But it runs so SLOW on a g3.
[12:56] <Tenniru> What is?
[12:56] <bob2> sleep.
[12:56] <Tenniru> On Ubuntu... for the g3.
[12:56] <Tenniru> Well, buttermonkeys.
[12:56] <imka> LinuxJones all hardware working? sound?
[12:57] <imka> gnome without problems?
[12:57] <Tenniru> Also, that'd explain what happens when I try going into sleep. I can't get out.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> imka, yes
[12:57] <imka> i need a knoppix replacement
[12:57] <imka> ok
[12:57] <imka> great
[12:57] <bob2> Tenniru: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[12:57] <bob2> Tenniru: sound like that?
[12:57] <kapputu> is there a good apt tutorial ?
[12:57] <bob2> kapputu: what do you want to know?
[12:58] <bob2> kapputu: if you mean "How do I install packages?", wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:58] <LinuxJones> imka, I think it used Morphix as it's base, which itself is a spawn of Knoppix.
[12:58] <buffalo> are there known problems with s3 Trio video cards. I can only seem to get 800x600, and only after manually editing XF86Config4 to change Default Depth from 24 to 16.
[12:58] <kapputu> i prefer to use the command line
[12:58] <kapputu> hey buffalo are you from buffalo ?
[12:58] <kapputu> i mean buffalo ny ?
[12:59] <buffalo> kapputu: no, socal
[12:59] <kapputu> k
[12:59] <bob2> kapputu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[12:59] <bob2> kapputu: but that will be dangerous if you don't know to only use ubuntu apt sources
[12:59] <bob2> there's very little you need to know for ubuntu.
[12:59] <kapputu> nope i want to learn just in case
[01:00] <kapputu> i don't mind screwing up
[01:00] <kapputu> if I don't i'll never learn
[01:00] <Tenniru> Yeah, that's it. Sleep=no worky.
[01:00] <Tenniru> So... when do I expect this to be fixed?
[01:01] <kapputu> ok i installed ubuntu on my roommate's machine
[01:02] <kapputu> it's a P-II 400 with an Intel 440 BX motherboard and has a builtin sound card
[01:02] <robertj> "let's see if he notices"
[01:02] <kapputu> couldn't get the sound card detected
[01:02] <bob2> what driver does the card use?
[01:02] <ploum> kapputu, is it an ISA sound card ?
[01:03] <kapputu> hmm haven't looked into it
[01:04] <kapputu> what is an ISA sound card ?
[01:05] <calc> kapputu: a sound card using the ISA bus?
[01:05] <calc> :)
[01:06] <kapputu> it's on the chipset
[01:06] <bob2> kapputu: file a bug on the linux component in bugzilla, provifing the output of "dmesg", "lspci", "lspci -n" and "lsmod", if you could.
[01:06] <kapputu> i forgot what isa is
[01:06] <kapputu> my Masters in computer science is good for nothing !!
[01:06] <kapputu> anyway
[01:06] <bob2> er, "providing"
[01:06] <Tenniru> I think it was a form of expansion slot used on x86es.
[01:06] <Tenniru> Pre-PCI.
[01:07] <ogra> 16bit :)
[01:07] <kapputu> hmm it's not
[01:07] <ogra> or 8, depends
[01:07] <bob2> if it's on-board, it cam sometimes be isa
[01:07] <bob2> which sucks, a lot
[01:07] <kapputu> yeah i know
[01:08] <calc> the black slots you see on any pc system more than about 3 years old are usually ISA
[01:08] <kapputu> ok gimme 3 reasons why I shouldn't install mandrake 10.1 on my desktop instead of ubuntu
[01:08] <bob2> it would be great if you could send that information to the BTS
[01:08] <bob2> kapputu: if you want to use mandrake, go for it
[01:08] <ogra> kapputu: have you seen ubuntu in action ?
[01:08] <kapputu> well I do have an idea but I don't remember
[01:08] <LinuxJones> kapputu, google reports that your soundcard is a Maestro-PCI
[01:08] <bob2> kapputu: it would be really good if you could help us by filing that bug, though
[01:08] <kapputu> i'm using ubuntu right now
[01:08] <calc> a P2 BX system likely has isa slots
[01:08] <kapputu> it's on my laptop and I think it's cool
[01:08] <bob2> my p3 bx has isa
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: not convinced ?
[01:09] <Tenniru> It's great, even on a Mac with one button.
[01:09] <Tenniru> I mean, yeah, all the Macs migrated to two/three buttons...
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: so why do you think about mandrake ?
[01:09] <kapputu> hmm ubuntu doesn't use debian's repo ?
[01:09] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:09] <Tenniru> Except the laptops, but that's what function keys are for.
[01:09] <bob2> kapputu: it has it's own archive
[01:09] <Anna> ok, that link worked better:_-)
[01:09] <kapputu> because i want to try out other distros
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: but it has nearly all debian packages
[01:10] <kapputu> but bob is it complete ?
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:10] <kapputu> ic
[01:10] <ogra> 98%
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: but I doubt you will notice anything missing
[01:10] <Anna> but I'm going to bed now, I'm getting tired, it's after one here, good night
[01:10] <bob2> Anna: 'night
[01:10] <kapputu> ok is it possible to install two linux distros on the same machine ?
[01:10] <bob2> kapputu: of course
[01:10] <mjr> yes, but if you have to ask, you probably don't want to
[01:11] <bob2> kapputu: you just need a partition each
[01:11] <rdnk> sound juicer
[01:12] <kapputu> is it possible to use the installation cd of a linux distro to get back grub, if windows erases it,
[01:12] <kapputu> or do I need a rescue disk ?
[01:12] <bob2> the install can do that
[01:13] <kapputu> good
[01:13] <kapputu> does ubuntu install a firewall ?
[01:13] <bob2> do you know how?
[01:13] <bob2> no
[01:13] <GotD0t> window's erased grub?
[01:13] <ogra> kapputu: no need to
[01:13] <kapputu> no but I think I can figure out
[01:13] <bob2> but why do you want a firewall?
[01:13] <bob2> ubuntu has no services listening by default
[01:13] <thomaes> hello, how is the url of the website where i find how to install libdvdcss?
[01:13] <kapputu> nope but I'm planning to setup my desktop as a server ?
[01:13] <ogra> kapputu: nothing open, so nothing to protect ;)
[01:14] <bob2> thomaes: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:14] <thomaes> thx bob2
[01:14] <bob2> kapputu: there are many firewallig tools in ubuntu
[01:14] <bob2> kapputu: but what do you imagine you'll be protecting yourself from?
[01:14] <GotD0t> himself...
[01:14] <kapputu> lol GotDot
[01:14] <ogra> *g*
[01:15] <bob2>  /win37
[01:15] <kapputu> what about hackers using port scanners ?
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: scanners look for open ports
[01:15] <bob2> um
[01:15] <ogra> kapputu: there are _no_ ports to scan
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: if there are no open ports... they wont get a hit
[01:15] <bob2> kapputu: if you're running a server, you're opening ports deliberately
[01:15] <GotD0t> kapputu: are you behind a router?
[01:16] <bob2> kapputu: how can a firewall protect you?
[01:16] <bob2> ogra: GotD0t he said he was installing some services
[01:16] <ogra> oh
[01:16] <kapputu> hmm good question bob
[01:17] <kapputu> i need to think on that
[01:17] <kapputu> i'm still in the Windows world :(
[01:17] <GotD0t> kapputu: heh
[01:17] <kapputu> windows has turned me into a dumbhead
[01:18] <GotD0t> kapputu: well according to some finnish professor you wont be living in one in 2006... as he claimed the internet will collapse then
[01:18] <kapputu> the only reason i was using it till date was because i couldnt get my wireless to work
[01:18] <kapputu> and i got that working with ubuntu this weekend
[01:18] <bob2> kapputu: there are valid reasons to use a firewall, but a default ubuntu desktop is not a place to worry about one :)
[01:18] <kapputu> but i use it at work and i'm trying to convince them to get a linux box
[01:19] <kapputu> yeah ofcourse
[01:19] <GotD0t> kapputu: GET?
[01:19] <kapputu> i don't need it for my desktop
[01:19] <kapputu> kapputu: GET? -- i don't understand
[01:19] <Sensebend> bob2, I disagree a firewall is a good idea
[01:20] <Sensebend> even on a default ubuntu desktop
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: why?
[01:20] <GotD0t> sensebend: a router should be sufficient enough...
[01:20] <GoneBoB> ok
[01:20] <Sensebend> remote exploits, minimizing access to your system
[01:20] <GoneBoB> if I have no ports open
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: no
[01:20] <GoneBoB> .. why do I need a firewall
[01:20] <malte> to protect new users maybe?
[01:20] <bob2> Sensebend: default ubuntu has nothing listening on external interfaces
[01:21] <Sensebend> I run certain services like VNC I keep within my local network for example
[01:22] <kapputu> ok i use SSH and use tunneling to open up X applications
[01:22] <bob2> then that's not a default ubuntu desktop
[01:22] <bob2> and you should be thinking about security, yes
[01:22] <kapputu> I use X-win32 on windows
[01:22] <kapputu> what do i use on ubuntu ?
[01:22] <Sensebend> X-chat, mIRC through wine
[01:22] <Sensebend> bitchx
[01:22] <Sensebend> irssi
[01:22] <bob2> XFree86 is the X server in ubuntu
[01:23] <kapputu> do i need to install it or is it already running ?
[01:23] <kapputu> hmm i guess it is right ?
[01:23] <ogra> kapputu: youre actually looking at it ;)
[01:23] <bob2> kapputu: it's installed as part of the default desktop install
[01:23] <bob2> kapputu: the "gui" in linux is X
[01:23] <kapputu> yep and that's what runs the x applications
[01:23] <kapputu> but can't get it to work with ssh
[01:23] <Sensebend> nevermind, I read x win32 as x-chat win32
[01:23] <Sensebend> I need some sleep
[01:24] <mjr> kapputu, ssh -X
[01:24] <GoneBoB> bob2: X is more like.. the driver
[01:24] <GoneBoB> it's not an interface, per se
[01:24] <kapputu> i never used that option in FC 2
[01:24] <bob2> GoneBoB: yes, I know
[01:24] <kapputu> good -X works
[01:24] <mjr> FC 2 has more insecure defaults then
[01:25] <kapputu> why would it be insecure ?
[01:25] <ogra> kapputu: open ports ?
[01:25] <kapputu> ok got it
[01:26] <bob2> ogra: no
[01:26] <dyn4mik3> Hi, I'm deciding to install linux for some security research and I was wondering what you all thought was a better distro btw gentoo/fedora/ubuntu/debian. I've used gentoo and debian before - however I did not do much with the security aspect of each distro. Any thoughts?
[01:26] <mjr> because one can access your X display from the other host if one can read your xauthority file
[01:26] <kapputu> ok now tell me why ubuntu is a better option to run let's say a web server and MySQL
[01:26] <bob2> ssh X forwarding does not "open" ports.
[01:26] <bob2> dyn4mik3: this is #ubuntu
[01:26] <ogra> bob2: fc2 has no open ports ?
[01:26] <mjr> so you're trusting at least the administrators of that system
[01:26] <bob2> dyn4mik3: do you really expect an unbiased answer?
[01:26] <bob2> ogra: no, ssh forwarding has nothing to do with open ports
[01:26] <kapputu> ok where do I read about open ports
[01:26] <kapputu> ?
[01:27] <ogra> bob2: i answered the fc2 question ;)
[01:27] <bob2> kapputu: you need to understand how tcp works
[01:27] <kapputu> hmm i forgot
[01:27] <mjr> ogra, yes, incorrectly
[01:28] <ogra> mjr: so fc2 has no open ports ?
[01:28] <dyn4mik3> bob2: no - im just looking for what is different in ubuntu security wise
[01:29] <mjr> ogra, ah, I see. You just missed the context then, we were talking of the ssh client defaults
[01:29] <liten> all distros need lots of work to be secure
[01:29] <mjr> and having X forwarding enabled by default is a security risk for the reason I gave
[01:29] <ogra> mjr: ok i see, sorry then for dizzing this....
[01:30] <bob2> dyn4mik3: if you want a serious answer, the list is a far better place to ask
[01:30] <dayson> Hey I have a question about getting a windows gaming program to work on linux can somoene tell me what I need to do this?
[01:30] <bob2> dayson: you can buy winex (cedega) which might work.
[01:31] <cardador> dayson: what is the program?
[01:31] <dayson> Steam
[01:31] <kapputu> ok got disconnected
[01:31] <liten> so, is there some kinda unstable version of ubuntu being used alongside with warty?
[01:31] <cardador> dayson: it works with wine
[01:31] <kapputu> you guys there ?
[01:31] <mjr> or you can play with the free Wine, which might also work, with a slightly smaller probability perhaps
[01:31] <bob2> liten: /topic
[01:31] <dayson> Cardador is wine cost anything?
[01:31] <cardador> nope
[01:31] <bob2> dayson: wine is free, winex is not
[01:31] <mjr> http://winehq.com
[01:31] <kapputu> what's winex ?
[01:32] <bob2> kapputu: www.transgaming.com
[01:32] <mjr> and wine is available from the Universe repository, it seems
[01:32] <bash_> aajaja
[01:32] <Kirsch> a version of wine thats better for games
[01:32] <liten> bob2: hehe, the topic is soo long :P - lazy me -
[01:32] <bash_> wine nice..
[01:32] <kapputu> ok
[01:32] <kapputu> hmm i forgot some questions
[01:33] <bash_> winex work on direcx
[01:33] <cardador> dayson: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=32
[01:33] <mjr> there is significant directx work in the free wine also
[01:33] <kapputu> ok i want to setup freebsd, ubuntu on my desktop
[01:33] <kapputu> any suggestions, ideas, directions ?
[01:33] <cardador> dayson: and youll need cedega cvs, that can be built for free: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[01:34] <bob2> kapputu: #freebsd
[01:34] <dayson> Cardador: thanks man I'll let you know if I cant figure it out, I'm still nub at linux
[01:34] <cardador> dayson: just follow the howtos, you should be fine
[01:34] <kapputu> ok
[01:34] <kapputu> a question about synaptic
[01:35] <kapputu> synaptic displayed categories and packages installed under that
[01:35] <kapputu> and i searched for something
[01:35] <kapputu> and the categories disappeared
[01:36] <kapputu> nm i got it
[01:36] <Uanet> hi everyone..I have a question..i use dila-up connect for internet also i have hcfpci modem do you know that this modem work fine on ubuntu or no ? thanks for answering :)
[01:37] <kapputu> kernel source is not installed by default ?
[01:37] <Uanet> also i looked ubuntu web page wiki.ubuntu but i didnt see
[01:37] <bob2> kapputu: correct
[01:38] <johnlevin> does anyone know if a transcript of the meeting earlier today is available?
[01:38] <kapputu> ok i do "sudo apt-get install kernel-source" ?
[01:38] <kapputu> what meeting johnlevin ?
[01:38] <ogra> johnlevin: not yet
[01:38] <bob2> johnlevin: it went for 4.5 hours
[01:38] <bob2> johnlevin: a summary will be prepeared
[01:38] <kapputu> what meeting was it ?
[01:38] <__daniel> sleep tight guys
[01:38] <ogra> kapputu: about the next release
[01:39] <johnlevin> bob2: I had to bail out after 2 and a quarter hours
[01:39] <kapputu> it's in november right ?
[01:39] <ogra> g'night __daniel
[01:39] <dayson> Cardador: I need cedega installed first so I'm trying to do that ( http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 ) but dont have all of those packetages where do I get those?
[01:39] <kapputu> was it an online meeting ?
[01:39] <bob2> kapputu: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[01:39] <bob2> kapputu: yes
[01:39] <johnlevin> kapputu: the hoary kickoff meeting
[01:39] <cardador> dayson: do you know how to use synaptic?
[01:39] <dayson> what is hoary?
[01:39] <johnlevin> hoary is the code name for the next ubuntu release
[01:39] <dayson> Cardador: sorta I'm using it now but its not seeing them all
[01:40] <kapputu> what's new in the next release ?
[01:40] <johnlevin> hornbeck: was documentation discussed?
[01:40] <bob2> kapputu: nothing, it doesn't exist yet
[01:40] <cardador> dayson: do you have universe?
[01:40] <bob2> kapputu: the meeting was to decide what would be included
[01:40] <kapputu> ic
[01:40] <dayson> Cardador: its set to universe yes
[01:40] <kapputu> is there like a control-center like utility in ubuntu ?
[01:41] <bob2> kapputu: to do what?
[01:41] <kapputu> a one-stop configuration place ?
[01:41] <bob2> no
[01:41] <liten> bob2: one place to gather all graphical configuration-tools :O
[01:42] <liten> but its not there - atleast not in warty today
[01:42] <kapputu> ok forgot to ask an important question
[01:42] <johnlevin> kapputu: like the control centre in KDE, do you mean?
[01:42] <kapputu> i use a HP Pavilion Laptop
[01:42] <mjr> well, there's the stuff in the Computer menu
[01:42] <kapputu> yeah johnlevin
[01:42] <bob2> kapputu: did you look in the computer menu?
[01:42] <kapputu> i get a black X mark in the center of my screen
[01:42] <cardador> dayson: i think all the files are on universe. which ones you dont find?
[01:42] <bob2> kapputu: your card is broken
[01:42] <kapputu> and it's not part of the background
[01:43] <GotD0t> kapputu: i think someone else was talking bout that a day or two agi
[01:43] <bob2> kapputu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002088.html
[01:43] <kapputu> what do u mean by card is broken ?
[01:43] <johnlevin> kapputut: no, gnome works differently (and personally, I think KDE is better than Gnome in this respect)
[01:43] <dayson> the freetype ones and the flex
[01:43] <bob2> the card is buggy.
[01:43] <bob2> johnlevin: a control center so big it needs a search engine is not good design
[01:43] <dayson> Cardador: and the bison is "bison ++" would that make a difference?
[01:43] <mjr> and there's the preferences:// location in Nautilus if you want a collection of icons for the gnome setup stuff :)
[01:44] <johnlevin> bob2: understood, but I do find that part of KDE very convenient
[01:44] <cardador> dayson: i have bison, bison++ and bison-1.35
[01:44] <cardador> dayson: just in case, install all of them :)
[01:44] <dayson> Cardador: mine only shows Bison++
[01:45] <cardador> dayson: check the repositories
[01:45] <kapputu> hmm bob u mean the card is buggy on ubuntu ?
[01:45] <bob2> kapputu: no
[01:45] <cardador> dayson: in the section you should have "main restricted universe multiverse"
[01:45] <dayson> Cardador: just did and all but the two main retricted ones are being used
[01:45] <kapputu> i've never had any problems with RH, FC, Mandrake
[01:46] <dayson> Cardador: should I check the main restricted ones too?
[01:46] <cardador> yes you should have all of gthem
[01:46] <dayson> Cardador: so all repositories would be checked then right?
[01:47] <cardador> dayson: correct
[01:47] <dayson> Cardador: still only shows ++ :(
[01:47] <cardador> have you clicked reload?
[01:48] <kapputu> ok how do I run an application in the background running as sudo but without having to make my password visible to everyone
[01:48] <dayson> Cardador: oops
[01:48] <bob2> kapputu: for example?
[01:48] <lifeless> relayed question:
[01:48] <lifeless> Do you know that people have run VMWare on Ubuntu?   i.e. not Ubuntu as a host within a VM, but Ubuntu running VMWare to host other VMs?  Thanks
[01:48] <kapputu> sudo emacs sources.list &
[01:49] <ogra> night all
[01:49] <malte> same here. night :)
[01:49] <Scognito> hi all
[01:49] <__daniel> bye ogra, bye malte
[01:49] <bash_> hi..
[01:49] <bash_> :D
[01:49] <bob2> kapputu: run it, type password, hit ctrl-z, type %1&
[01:49] <ogra> its late in germany ;)
[01:49] <Scognito> little question... why there are not 2.6.8 sources?
[01:49] <bob2> kapputu: er, run it without &
[01:49] <bob2> Scognito: because ubuntu uses 2.6.8.1
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Guys
[01:50] <Hikaru79> It works ^__^
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Sweet-ness!
[01:50] <Hikaru79> w00t for Ubuntu :)
[01:50] <johnlevin> Hikaru79::)
[01:50] <Scognito> bob2, sorry, i use 2.6.8.1-2-386
[01:50] <GotD0t> hey Hikaru79
[01:50] <Hikaru79> :)
[01:50] <Scognito> but there aren't sources of 2.6.8.*
[01:50] <Hikaru79> Now to get all my software installed again :P
[01:50] <Scognito> and i cannot compile some modules i need
[01:50] <bob2> Scognito: yes there is
[01:51] <bob2> Scognito: linux-source-2.6
[01:51] <bob2> Scognito: you don't need the source to build modules
[01:51] <Scognito> why not?
[01:51] <kapputu> bob is it an el or a 1
[01:51] <kapputu> oops got it
[01:52] <bob2> Scognito: linux-headers-2.6
[01:52] <dayson> Cardador: XFree86 devel, XFree86 Mesa, XFree86 Mesa devel packages are what I cant find now what should I do?
[01:53] <cardador> dayson: look for xlibmesa
[01:53] <kapputu> ok a quick question
[01:53] <kapputu> does gmplayer install plugins for firefox ?
[01:53] <bob2> no
[01:53] <kapputu> so how do I install it ?
[01:54] <cardador> kapputu: apt-get mozilla-mplayer
[01:54] <dayson> Cardador: what about the xfree86 devel?
[01:54] <dayson> Cardador: thats the only one I dont have now
[01:55] <kapputu> invalid option
[01:55] <kapputu> invalid operation
[01:55] <cardador> dayson: im not sure, so its better if you try to build it and see if there are any errors
[01:55] <liten> apt-get install
[01:55] <kapputu> am a dumbo
[01:55] <kapputu> sorry
[01:55] <kapputu> couldn't find the package
[01:56] <dayson> Cardador: thanks, I'll see what happens now
[01:56] <cardador> kapputu: add multiverse
[01:56] <kapputu> ??
[01:56] <kapputu> --multiverse ?
[01:56] <jonoxer> kapputu: no, in /etc/sources.list
[01:57] <cardador> kapputu: synaptic, settings, repositories, add multiverse to the checked line, section
[01:57] <jonoxer> There are entries including 'universe', etc
[01:57] <mjr> hmm, actually, referring to a while back, there's a "gnome-control-center" still, that basically just launches Nautilus with the preferences:// URI
[01:58] <kapputu> what's it on the command line
[01:59] <mjr> gnome-control-center :)
[01:59] <jonoxer> kapputu: to do it without running Synaptic you need to 'sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:59] <jonoxer> or whatever your preferred editor is
[01:59] <kapputu> ok i did that
[01:59] <kapputu> next
[02:00] <cardador> apt-get update
[02:00] <kapputu> no how do I add multiverse ?
[02:00] <jonoxer> look for a line that starts something like "deb http://archive..."
[02:00] <kapputu> yeah
[02:00] <jonoxer> Go to the end, where it will already have 'main' etc
[02:01] <jonoxer> Then add a space and "multiverse" at the end
[02:01] <cardador> it should have universe also
[02:01] <cardador> if it doesnt, add it
[02:01] <jonoxer> Then save the file, and then 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:03] <kapputu> do i add that to the src too ?
[02:03] <jonoxer> If you want to be able to fetch source packages
[02:03] <sabdfl> kapputu: only if you want to fix the bugs and security issues :-)
[02:03] <jonoxer> Not necessary unless you want to build things yourself
[02:04] <kapputu> hmm anything to do with perl, i can help
[02:04] <sabdfl> universe and multiverse don't get the same security review or updates that main does, so please check for yourself
[02:04] <kapputu> will start contributing to open source very soon
[02:04] <kapputu> just need to free up some time
[02:05] <kapputu> ok finished install mozilla-mplayer
[02:05] <kapputu> does it install plugins into firefox
[02:06] <Scognito> bob2, tnx
[02:08] <kapputu> hmm u guys there or am I lagging ?
[02:08] <GotD0t> does anybody have any experience with SynCE?
[02:09] <Lathiat> Yeh
[02:09] <dejot> tach
[02:10] <Lathiat> GotD0t: Whats up
[02:10] <GotD0t> Lathiat: well I tried installing it before and never had any luck... i was just curious if anybody got theirs working
[02:11] <dejot> any german in here?
[02:11] <kapputu> bob u there
[02:11] <kapputu> ?
[02:11] <Lathiat> GotD0t: works fine for me, just installed it, did synce-serial-config ttyS0 // synce-serial-start, works -- just make sure you set yoru wince device to use 115200 baud
[02:11] <GoneBoB> yo
[02:12] <GotD0t> Lathiat: and you use it through USB?
[02:12] <Lathiat> nah serial
[02:12] <Lathiat> havent tried usb
[02:13] <GotD0t> Lathiat: I don't even think my computer has a serial port
[02:13] <Lathiat> haha
[02:14] <GotD0t> Lathiat: you can use it even though its built for KDE?
[02:14] <Lathiat> its built for kde?
[02:14] <Lathiat> i used mine in gnome
[02:14] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:14] <Lathiat> the core stuff is independant
[02:15] <Lathiat> and i got the nautilus and tray plugins from the homepage
[02:15] <Scognito> bob2 i got his on configure: checking kernel source directory... Not found
[02:15] <Lathiat> works great
[02:15] <Lathiat> pops up on my desktop and everything
[02:15] <Lathiat> the gnomevfs plugin is very handy
[02:15] <GotD0t> k
[02:15] <bob2> Scognito: point it at the dir in /usr/src/
[02:15] <Scognito> bob2 linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 ?
[02:16] <bob2> yeah
[02:16] <bob2> tell the module that that is your source dir
[02:17] <kapputu> bob mozilla-mplayer installs plugins for firefox ?
[02:18] <bob2> should work in firefox
[02:18] <Scognito> tnx bob2
[02:20] <[Phaedrus] > Does Ubuntu support HPT370 Raid Controllers?
[02:20] <kapputu> how do I get a windows media player plugin ?
[02:20] <kapputu> this site doesn't work for me
[02:20] <kapputu> www.musicindiaonline.com
[02:21] <jivera> Hi.
[02:21] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:21] <GotD0t> this is interesting
[02:22] <GotD0t> for some reason firefox changed the download directory to my desktop
[02:22] <GotD0t> and i just downloaded several tarballs and err... um i cant find them
[02:22] <Lathiat> are they on your desktop?
[02:22] <GotD0t> no
[02:22] <socomm> GotD0t: are they at home?
[02:23] <jivera> I saw some screenshots of the Ubuntu live cd (with some F/OSS packages compiled for Windows, along with a bootable Linux)... does anyone have info on how that CD was created?
[02:23] <GotD0t> socomm: thas the firs tplace i looked for them
[02:23] <socomm> GotD0t: which browser are you using?
[02:23] <GotD0t> socomm: firefox pr
[02:23] <jonoxer> GotD0t: probably either in ~ (home) or /tmp
[02:24] <GotD0t> jonoxer: well i just checked and it said it was downloading all files to desktop
[02:24] <socomm> GotD0t: Firefox should prompt you for a place to download a file whenever you are downloading anything.
[02:24] <GotD0t> socomm: no, it defaults to a set location
[02:24] <socomm> GotD0t: otherwise it should download to a predefined path, such as your `Desktop'.
[02:25] <jonoxer> GotD0t: go to Edit / Preferences / Downloads
[02:25] <kapputu> bob any suggestions ?
[02:25] <GotD0t> jonoxer: i just changed it... but still where are those files i just downloaded
[02:25] <jonoxer> It should show the default d/l location
[02:25] <socomm> GotD0t: Yeah *should* be your `Desktop'.
[02:25] <jonoxer> They should be in the place it said *before* you changed it
[02:25] <jonoxer> ;-)
[02:25] <GotD0t> yea.. but i already said they arent there
[02:25] <GotD0t> i checked
[02:26] <socomm> GotD0t: are you by any chance downloading tarballs from SourceForge.net?
[02:26] <jonoxer> Go to "tools / downloads"
[02:26] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[02:26] <jonoxer> Then find the download
[02:26] <geppy> Is there a java-plugin packages for mozilla in the repository?
[02:26] <socomm> GotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror?
[02:26] <jonoxer> Then right click, and select 'properties'
[02:26] <GotD0t> socomm: they showed up in the download window... i watched the progress bar
[02:27] <socomm> GotD0t: are you prompted to choose a mirror or not?
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: and i did
[02:27] <GotD0t> socomm: and the download window shoed them downloading
[02:27] <Yannick_> is there a way of getting ntfs support without recompiling the kernel?
[02:27] <jonoxer> GotD0t: did you check the download properties like I said above?
[02:27] <socomm> GotD0t: Okay, than something is probably fscked.
[02:27] <spikeb> how long is the free cd offer going to last?
[02:27] <geppy> Yannick_:  NTFS support is already in the kernel.
[02:28] <Yannick_> ah ok, kewl then
[02:28] <GotD0t> jonoxer: yes i did... it said default directory was desktop
[02:28] <jivera> Who made the Ubuntu Linux preview live CD?
[02:28] <GotD0t> jonoxher: so i changed it to ~
[02:28] <jonoxer> GotD0t: no, after that where I said to go to the download manager, right click and select properties
[02:28] <GotD0t> but the files that i had previously downloaded are not where its said they were supposed to be
[02:29] <WW> GotD0t: Maybe try Computer -> Search for Files...
[02:29] <GotD0t> jonoxer: i cant right click and select properties
[02:29] <geppy> Are there no java packages for mozilla in the repository?
[02:29] <kapputu> any suggestions for firefox extensions ?
[02:30] <jonoxer> GotD0t: go to "Tools / Downloads", find the download, then right click on it
[02:30] <GotD0t> kapputu: adblock
[02:30] <jivera> I take it nobody knows where the Live CD came from then?
[02:30] <GotD0t> WW: its not showing up
[02:30] <GotD0t> WW: thats interesting
[02:30] <jonoxer> GotD0t: so you can't right-click on anything in the download manager?
[02:31] <dayson> how can I tell if I installed my ati drivers right?
[02:31] <spikeb> jivera, well, when a mommy livecd and a daddy livecd really love each other...
[02:31] <WW> dayson: Play tuxracer :)
[02:31] <geppy> dayson:  do it like this: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:31] <spikeb> jivera,  i have no idea, by the way, who's responsible for the livecd.
[02:31] <geppy> dayson:  heh... yeah, play tuxracer, or run glxgears
[02:31] <Yannick_> does ubuntu play mp3?
[02:31] <geppy> Yannick_:  Yes.
[02:31] <mirak_> yes
[02:31] <spikeb> Yannick_, it can.
[02:32] <Yannick_> thanx
[02:32] <cardador> dayson: you should restart x after installing the drivers :)
[02:32] <dayson> restart what?
[02:32] <geppy> dayson:  reboot
[02:32] <dayson> my box?
[02:32] <geppy> dayson:  Yes, that's the easiest way for you to do it.
[02:32] <GotD0t> woah, firefox is officially retarded
[02:33] <dayson> ah well I would you see but I am downloading cs:source right now
[02:33] <GotD0t> it doesnt keep my settings
[02:33] <geppy> dayson:  "X" is the graphical display.
[02:33] <spikeb> hmm
[02:33] <spikeb> GotD0t, that sucks
[02:33] <dayson> geppy: danke
[02:33] <cardador> dayson: im not sure if cs source runs in linux...
[02:33] <dayson> geppy: I will reboot once my download is complete
[02:33] <geppy> dayson:  Alright.  :)
[02:33] <dayson> cardador: awe it has to!
[02:34] <geppy> dayson:  CS:Source does _not_ run in Linux.
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: im afraid it wont run :(
[02:34] <GotD0t> something is seriously wrong...
[02:34] <spikeb> i'd have to agree
[02:34] <dayson> cardador: what about third party games like natural selection?
[02:34] <spikeb> but what, i do not know.
[02:34] <geppy> dayson:  Not under WINE, not under Crossover, and not under Cedega.
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: cs, hl, dod, etc, runs ok
[02:34] <geppy> dayson: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki
[02:34] <spikeb> ut2k4 runs great :)
[02:34] <geppy> heh  :)
[02:34] <dayson> will  Source work evetually?
[02:34] <cardador> dayson: yes, eventually
[02:34] <geppy> Yeah.
[02:34] <GotD0t> i set it to ask me where to download every time... and im downloading to ~ but it tells me the file already exists... but i dont see it in the file browser
[02:35] <jonoxer> GotD0t: can you see it when listing in a terminal? Try opening a terminal, do 'ls -l' and see if the file is there
[02:35] <Dekkard> hmmm
[02:36] <Dekkard> gtkam wont detect my camera....
[02:36] <Dekkard> it worked under slack...
[02:36] <GotD0t> jonoxer: just a problem with the file browser
[02:36] <GotD0t> jonoxer: wasn't refreshing
[02:36] <jonoxer> ah
[02:37] <spikeb> ahh yeah
[02:37] <spikeb> nautilus doesn't autorefresh that i know of
[02:37] <spikeb> (that's irritating)
[02:37] <GotD0t> it used to...
[02:37] <GotD0t> like 20 mins ago
[02:38] <cardador> bye all
[02:38] <jivera> Anyone even know how I can find the live CD creator or get in contact with him/her/them?
[02:38] <kapputu> firefox with ubuntu is the latest ?
[02:38] <GotD0t> nope
[02:38] <GotD0t> doesn't have firefox pr
[02:38] <spikeb> kapputu,  no. it's 0.9.3 with a bunch of patches
[02:38] <robertj> Is there a nice gui util for burning isos?
[02:38] <kapputu> is 1.0 good ?
[02:38] <spikeb> yes
[02:38] <robertj> I feel like I should learn something other than cdrecord
[02:39] <spikeb> robertj,  nautilus
[02:39] <robertj> spike: oh, how does that work?
[02:39] <spikeb> robertj,  i believe all you have to do is right click on the iso and there should be a menu entry
[02:40] <kapputu> is firefox 1.0 in the apt-sources
[02:40] <GotD0t> nope
[02:40] <_avatar> i just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for the grub.conf but can't find it... can someone tell me where it is?
[02:41] <WW> _avatar: I think you might want /boot/grub/menu.lst  ?
[02:41] <spikeb> i dont have one either heh
[02:41] <dayson> okay this is also a dumb question but after I installed steam and cedega how do I use it again after I close it?
[02:41] <spikeb> hmmm
[02:41] <spikeb> no clue heh
[02:41] <dayson> its not on my menus
[02:42] <caleb_> i have an evolution crasher that i want to get a good stack trace from.  how can i get a debugging enabled evolution?  im not familiar w/ debs.  is my only solution to grab the evo code and compile by hand?
[02:42] <spikeb> caleb_,  fire up synaptic
[02:42] <spikeb> caleb_, search for evolution - there's a debug deb
[02:42] <_avatar> WW: thanks :) in gentoo it was called /boot/grub/grub.conf
[02:42] <caleb_> spikeb: rockin, thanks.
[02:42] <spikeb> hmm
[02:43] <spikeb> i thought there was heh
[02:45] <caleb_> spikeb: i only see evo and evo-dev, nothing about debug
[02:45] <spikeb> yeah same here
[02:45] <spikeb> caleb_, maybe i was seeing things
[02:46] <GotD0t> Lathiat: you there?
[02:46] <spikeb> bah
[02:46] <spikeb> it looks like i was
[02:46] <WW> spikeb: I know nothing about them, but "evolution-2.0 --help" shows an assortment of options related to debugging
[02:47] <spikeb> caleb_, see what WW said?
[02:47] <kapputu> is there a good IDE for remote development ?
[02:47] <kapputu> for ubuntu
[02:47] <WW> Ooops, that should have been for caleb_...
[02:48] <socomm> kapputu: you mean GNU/Linux?
[02:48] <kapputu> yep
[02:49] <kapputu> actually I should have said Gnome
[02:49] <caleb_> WW: yes but since i have a crasher, i need to stack trace.  evolution-2.0 --debug=hello, the file 'hello' is blank
[02:49] <socomm> kapputu: yes, there is one I forget it's name though.
[02:49] <Yannick_> when I try to read mp3s with rhythmbox, its says I have no plugin to handle mp3, what do I do?
[02:49] <socomm> kapputu: give me a second, I'll try to find it.
[02:50] <caleb_> i can get a stace trace, thats no prob via bugbuddy, however, since debug isnt compiled in the strace trace will not help the evo devs figure out the problem.
[02:50] <WW> caleb_:   Well, it was worth a shot, anyway.
[02:51] <caleb_> WW: thanks :)
[02:51] <WW> Yannick_: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:51] <socomm> kapputu: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/
[02:51] <Yannick_> WW, I need to install that?
[02:51] <socomm> kapputu: anjuta, give it a whirl. It maybe what you're looking for.
[02:51] <WW> Yannick_: I think that's the one.  Take a look in Synaptic.
[02:52] <Kirsch> Hey, I'm SSHed into another Ubuntu system, and my system is Ubuntu, how can I have it so if i run "firefox" it will display on my system
[02:52] <Kirsch> if i run it now, it says DISPLAY not set
[02:53] <jonoxer> Kirsch: first thing is you need to allow TCP connections to your local machine
[02:53] <nictuku> see -X for sssh, Kirsch
[02:54] <WW> Kirsch: Try -X option
[02:54] <jonoxer> Go to "computer / system config / security"
[02:54] <jonoxer> turn off "always disallow TCP"
[02:55] <Kirsch> don't have security. hold on
[02:55] <jonoxer> oops, sorry: computer / system config / login screen / security
[02:56] <jonoxer> Kirsch: that won't take effect until you next start X though
[02:57] <jonoxer> Then as they said above, try 'ssh -X ...' when you connect to the remote machine
[02:58] <jonoxer> If it still doesn't work there are a couple of things you can try, like exporting the display ("export DISPLAY=1.2.3.4:0.0" on the remote machine, where 1.2.3.4 is your local IP)
[02:58] <jonoxer> You may also have to do "host +9.8.7.6" on your local machine, where 9.8.7.6 is the IP of the remote machine
[02:59] <geppy> why does apt ask for the ubuntu binary cd (which I don't have) to install rhythmbox?
[02:59] <jonoxer> Sorry, "xhost +..."
[02:59] <kapputu> whats xhost for ?
[03:00] <socomm> geppy: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:00] <blahrus> when does everyone think that x86_64 support will be as good at i686
[03:01] <jonoxer> xhost lets you configure access control in X
[03:01] <socomm> geppy: you'll have to `#' comment out the `deb cdrom:' section to get rid of the cd-rom stuff.
[03:01] <geppy> xmms won't open:  it gives me this: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:01] <geppy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:01] <geppy> socomm:  Thanks.
[03:02] <smo> Is it not more likely that X forwarding isn't enabled on the server machine?  I believe that's the distro default
[03:02] <socomm> geppy: don't forget to uncomment the other sections, and run `apt-get update' to refresh your apt-cache
[03:02] <Yannick_> WW, do I have to add some mirror 'cause I don't see anything related to mp3
[03:02] <geppy> socomm:  alright, thanks. :)
[03:03] <socomm> geppy: don't mention it.
[03:03] <visor> has someone had issues with the bootplash in either ati or nvidia cards, or am i just missing something?... i cant seem to properly set that thing and i havent found yet something in the FAQ's
[03:04] <geppy> visor: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <visor> geppy: thanks, does that would have to do with the bootsplash thing? i mean i have no propietary drivers in any other distro and bootsplash just worked ok, thanks anyway ill check it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> smo, jonoxer, set X11 forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[03:06] <geppy> visor: Erm, you shouldn't be able to have the bootscreen without the proprietary drivers, as far as I know.
[03:06] <visor> geppy: oh i see, thanks
[03:06] <Kirsch> yep, just the -X worked, thanks.
[03:07] <thoreauputic> jonoxer: xhost + is not really a good idea - security issues
[03:08] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:09] <visor> im very surprised with this distro, it just works, i never saw a gnome-based distro actually working :S
[03:09] <geppy> hahaha
[03:10] <geppy> I agree for the most part, except the whole xmms-not-working thing.
[03:10] <Kirsch> hey, is there NTFS read support?
[03:10] <geppy> Kirsch:  Yes.
[03:10] <mdz> geppy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[03:11] <mdz> jivera: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com would be the place to send live CD stuff
[03:11] <jivera> mdz: Thanks.
[03:11] <mdz> jivera: a number of people have worked on it
[03:12] <jivera> mdz: Do you know if the resources used to construct the iso are available anywhere?
[03:12] <geppy> mdz:  Should I add myself to the CC list?
[03:12] <jivera> (i.e. so that others could contribute to keeping it up to date?)
[03:12] <geppy> nevermind, sorry.
[03:12] <visor> geppy: xmms does not work?
[03:13] <geppy> visor:  heh
[03:13] <geppy> visor: Thanks to mdz, it does, now.  :)
[03:13] <geppy> visor: I was missing a dependency.
[03:13] <mdz> there is an odd bug in the nvidia drivers which breaks xmms, but there is an easy workaround
[03:13] <visor> geppy: uhmm i see
[03:13] <mdz> I added a link to the BinaryDriverHowto now
[03:17] <Chriffer> jivera, I actually asked about the tools for the liveCD it was hinted that I should wait until after release to ask again, maybe I will check
[03:17] <jivera> Chriffer: It's after release now, isn't it?
[03:17] <Chriffer> it's based off of the morphix tool mmaker and isomorph
[03:17] <Chriffer> yes, I just didn't remember to check on it again
[03:22] <kapputu> any good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?
[03:22] <jivera> Chriffer: Ah.
[03:23] <david_> anyone know where ndiswrapper is?
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Wow
[03:24] <GotD0t> ?
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Been playing around with Ubuntu for the past hour or so
[03:24] <jivera> The Wiki says it's built into newer kernels.
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Man, this rocks ^__^
[03:24] <jivera> But you need ndiswrapper-utils.
[03:24] <jivera> (Either Wiki or FAQ talks about ndiswrapper... or maybe howto.  I forget.)
[03:25] <david_> I tried apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, and it isn't found in main restricted or universe
[03:25] <Hikaru79> It's on Synaptic
[03:25] <Hikaru79> I just searched
[03:25] <Hikaru79> Try taht
[03:25] <Hikaru79> *that
[03:26] <NeoFax> I have an error evyrtime I try to install ubuntu. It gets to installing nic-extra-modules.. and then it erors by stating the md5sum errors
[03:26] <kapputu> any good IDE for remote development for GNOME ?
[03:26] <NeoFax> However, the md5sum is good
[03:27] <david_> OK, I just tried synaptic and searched ndiswrapper, and it was not found
[03:28] <david_> what repositories are you searching
[03:29] <dayson> how do I install a rpm file with fonts?
[03:30] <dayson> bob2: can you install a rpm package on ubuntu?
[03:30] <jivera> You can use alien to create a deb from an rpm.
[03:31] <dayson> how do I do that?
[03:31] <dayson> I am really new to linux so I dont know how to do much
[03:31] <thoreauputic> dayson: are you sure you need this rpm?
[03:31] <dayson> I think I do
[03:31] <WW> Yannick_: Sorry, I've been on the phone for awhile.  Did you find gstreamer0.8-mad?
[03:32] <dayson> I need the fonts for a windows program I am runing in cedega
[03:32] <kapputu> totem doesnt work
[03:32] <kapputu> totem-gstreamer
[03:32] <kapputu> how do i recompile mplayer with smb support
[03:32] <thoreauputic> dayson: Have you checked in synaptic t see if it's available as a deb?
[03:33] <Yannick_> WW, no
[03:33] <dayson> thoreauputic, its not there
[03:33] <thoreauputic> dayson: what is it? win ttf fonts or something like that?
[03:33] <dayson> thoreauputic, yes its msfonts
[03:35] <WW> Yannick_: That's strange.
[03:35] <jonoxer> thoreauputic: I know, I wasn't telling him to set "xhost +": I was saying to set "xhost +1.2.3.4"
[03:35] <jonoxer> or whatever the IP was
[03:35] <Yannick_> WW, i have to add universe repository?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> dayson: see if you can find a package called msttcorefonts
[03:36] <thoreauputic> dayson: I'm on debian , so it may be that package isn't available on ubuntu - but a deb for it exists
[03:37] <jonoxer> Yes, msttcorefonts is in ubuntu (in "universe", anyway)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dayson: it enables you to install ms fonts
[03:37] <dayson> thoreauputic, I found msttcorefonts and I'm installing that
[03:37] <Yannick_> WW, I found it, thanx
[03:37] <dayson> thoreauputic, thanks
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dayson: OK - no problem
[03:38] <dayson> I have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?
[03:38] <GotD0t> shut*
[03:38] <geppy> killall -9 wine
[03:41] <dayson> I have a another question though I was trying to use cedega to run steam but it just sits there and doesnt do anything and it wont work how do I close it or shit it down?
[03:41] <geppy> dayson: killall -9 wine
[03:41] <dayson> oops shut it down^
[03:42] <GoneBoB> and wineserver
[03:43] <dayson> danke!
[03:43] <Crimzon> Can anyone please tell me how to access my NTFS disks in ubutnu?
[03:44] <Crimzon> ubuntu :P
[03:45] <geppy> mount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>
[03:45] <geppy> sudo mount /dev/hd<disk identifier> /media/<location>
[03:45] <GotD0t> media?
[03:45] <geppy> or mnt
[03:45] <geppy> I thought gnome 2.8 used media?
[03:46] <GotD0t> i dunno... but mnt is where i was told when i first did it
[03:46] <GotD0t> and isnt it hda<disk identifier>
[03:46] <noda> GotD0t: hda1 and hdb3 and hdd2 are all valid partition identifiers.
[03:46] <GotD0t> oh
[03:47] <kapputu> how do I compile mplayer with smb support
[03:47] <noda> GotD0t: hda: IDE channel 1, master. hdb: IDE channel 1, slave. hdc: IDE channel 2, master. hdd: IDE channel 3, slave.
[03:47] <TheMuso> kapputu: Have you checked the docs on how to build it?
[03:47] <geppy> kapputu:  Don't; download it.
[03:48] <geppy> kapputu:  Wait, mplayer has samba support?  I don't think that it does.
[03:48] <GotD0t> noda: good to know
[03:48] <dayson> wait so how would I mount a windows partition on another drive?
[03:48] <brettcar> why would mplayer need smb support?
[03:48] <GotD0t> yea?
[03:48] <noda> GotD0t: :)
[03:48] <Crimzon> it takes like 2 years to access my disks from "computer -> disks"... Something is very wrong here :(
[03:49] <kapputu> well i tried to play a mp3 which was on another machine and it said that mplayer doesnt have smb support and asked me to build with smb support
[03:49] <geppy> Oh.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> dayson: in a terminal, try just typing  sudo fdisk -l (to see what your disks and partitions are)
[03:50] <Hikaru79> Is K3B meant to be used only in KDE, or is it fine to run it under GNOME as well?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it's fine to run it anywhwere you wish
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it will run in any desktop environment or window manager
[03:51] <regeya>   gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.5) but 1:3.3.5-2 is installed.
[03:51] <Crimzon> thoreauputic: /dev/hda1 - HPFS/NTFS
[03:51] <kapputu> everyone is sleeping on #mplayer
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Crimzon: on your machine, yes
[03:52] <Crimzon> both of them are NTFS
[03:52] <geppy> In redhat, I would use "rpm -q <package name>" to see if a package was installed, and what version it was.  How do I do this in Ubuntu?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Crimzon: not necessarily on someone else's
[03:52] <ronaldraygun> anyone able to help me get my sound working?  i can't remember what i did when i installed fedora but it was something simple.  now ubuntu won't play sound
[03:52] <kapputu> what's your sound card ronald ?
[03:52] <rbrad> geppy: dpkg --list
[03:52] <ronaldraygun> sb live 5.1
[03:53] <daniels> whiprush: yeah, but running out to lunch, bbiab
[03:53] <ronaldraygun> it wasn't drivers or anything
[03:53] <thoreauputic> geppy: dpkg -l | grep <packagename>
[03:53] <Hikaru79> thoreaputic: Thanks :) But if it runs fine under GNOME, why does it ask to install a whole bunch of KDE packages when you install it through synaptic? (Such as kdelibs)... is this normal?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: yes - it needs those to work
[03:54] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK :)
[03:54] <khc> Does ubuntu include hostap drivers>
[03:54] <Hikaru79> So it's nothing to worry about ^ ^:
[03:54] <geppy> thoreauputic:  Thanks.
[03:54] <kapputu> was your card detected ?
[03:54] <Lathiat> GotD0t: am now
[03:54] <kapputu> do a lspci
[03:54] <ronaldraygun> yes
[03:54] <kapputu> hmm
[03:55] <kapputu> is the volume up ?
[03:55] <khc> ronaldraygun: The yes is for my question?
[03:55] <ronaldraygun> i've opened volume control and made sure nothing's on mute and that everything's turned up a bit
[03:55] <ronaldraygun> khc no
[03:55] <regeya> guh.  nevermind.  I found the problem. :-P
[03:55] <treyh0> how come sleep USED to work on my ppc with ubuntu
[03:56] <treyh0> but all of the sudden doesnt work anymore, with no package updates :/
[03:56] <GotD0t> Lathiat: i cant compile one of the components of SynCE
[03:57] <Lathiat> GotD0t: which one?
[03:57] <GotD0t> Lathiat: Libsynce
[03:57] <Lathiat> GotD0t: you realise synce is in ubuntu....
[03:57] <GotD0t> is it?
[03:57] <Lathiat> it is
[03:57] <GotD0t> Lathiat: hmm, never saw it
[03:58] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh you're right
[03:58] <bash_> if someone repositoried new from ubuntu.. ?
[03:58] <ronaldraygun> anyone know how to "fix" a resized partition so that it can be read from again
[03:58] <ronaldraygun> ?
[03:59] <socomm> ronaldraygun: resized how (EG: which utility).
[03:59] <ronaldraygun> mandrake installer CD
[03:59] <geppy> ronaldraygun:  fsck?
[03:59] <ronaldraygun> i've had a look at fsck and resizing but it keeps whinging that the drive size is bigger than the volume size
[04:00] <ronaldraygun> despite me making sure i'm entering a smaller value
[04:00] <socomm> ronaldraygun: Okay, what sort of partition (File System)
[04:00] <ronaldraygun> ext3
[04:00] <GotD0t> Lathiat: did you have to compile the tray from the source?
[04:01] <Lathiat> GotD0t: i think so
[04:01] <WW> bash_: What did you mean?
[04:01] <WW> oh well
[04:02] <NeoFax> Has anyone actually done a install of ubuntu using KNOPPIX as stated in the wiki?
[04:02] <ronaldraygun> socomm, i tried running fsck with no flags and it just kept whinging at me
[04:02] <ronaldraygun> and i was unable to resize it from there
[04:02] <socomm> ronaldraygun: I've never seen that error.
[04:02] <dayson> Hello again can someone tell me how to get steam working right on cedega? I have both installed but when I go to run steam it gets locked up when trying to unock some half life 2 files can someone one please help me
[04:03] <socomm> ronaldraygun: try running `fsck -py'
[04:03] <ronaldraygun> ok, i'll scoot on back later
[04:03] <socomm> Which will try to repair your partition, and assume yes to all questions.
[04:03] <Despair> dayson: hl2 is not supported by cedega yet. Also, cedega questions ought to be asked in #cedega.
[04:04] <ronaldraygun> will that destroy any data?
[04:04] <socomm> ronaldraygun: no, it will repair any badblocks, and I think move anything bad to `/lost+found'
[04:04] <dayson> okay well I will ask that in #cedega but I do have another issue
[04:05] <socomm> bad meaning bad data.
[04:05] <ronaldraygun> ok, cheers
[04:05] <dayson> I cant change my screen resolution
[04:05] <socomm> Yeah, good luck.
[04:05] <dayson> I dont know if my vid drivers are messed up or what
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> there's no full net install cds?
[04:09] <geppy> no
[04:10] <NeoFax> bluefoxicy: I wish there were.  I could then possibly install ubuntu without having to try all kinds of crazy configs
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> i just don't want to download this whole cd
[04:11] <socomm> >:^)
[04:12] <socomm> bluefoxicy: There are ways to customize your own ISO.
[04:12] <NeoFax> I have like 3 cds burned of it, but all seem to not work.  I get md5sum errors.  The md5sum checks on the iso and the cd and all of the files on the cd.  However, when I try to install I get an md5sum error.
[04:12] <socomm> bluefoxicy: though time consuming.
[04:13] <NeoFax> socomm: Could you explain how to turn a ubuntu CD into a netinstall CD.  Downloading the files from archives.ubuntulinux.com?
[04:14] <ronaldraygun> socomm, no luck
[04:14] <thursday> hello all
[04:14] <thursday> is there a way to get a grahpical boot instead of the text only boot?
[04:14] <socomm> NeoFax: Haven't done it myself but I'm sure you can figure it out with enough work.
[04:15] <thursday> like where all the kernel and init script goes
[04:15] <Kirsch> is it possible to use the 32Bit version of flash on 64Bit?
[04:15] <socomm> ronaldraygun: have you tried http://www.google.com/linux
[04:15] <ronaldraygun> no
[04:15] <Kirsch> Does Macromedia know that those people are probably very upset at them?
[04:15] <Kirsch> lol
[04:15] <socomm> paste the error verbatim into that search engine, and follow any relevant links.
[04:16] <NeoFax> Yeah, I have tried doing a PXE netboot with a TFTP server.  No luck.  I am going to start working on booting a KNOPPIX CD and then following the wiki by doing a chroot install.
[04:17] <kensai> is anybody here getting proper speed with the nvidia drivers?
[04:17] <kensai> on ubuntu?
[04:17] <socomm> kensai: Yes.
[04:17] <kensai> I have only 2000 fps
[04:17] <geppy> Only 2000 FPS?
[04:17] <kensai> and on onebaselinux I've had 3000
[04:17] <geppy> What are you running, glxgears?
[04:18] <geppy> Well, then run onebaselinux.
[04:18] <kensai> glxgears
[04:18] <geppy> I generally get around 2,000 FPS.
[04:18] <kensai> no I'm not saying it is better
[04:18] <geppy> on any distro
[04:18] <FooManGNU> Hey all, I'm having some trouble with the install... When it gets to the kernel it dies with a package not found.  I md5'd the .iso and the cd and everything is kosher, any ideas?
[04:18] <kensai> I'm not mad at ubuntu so don't tell me to go back
[04:19] <kensai> what nvidia card you have?
[04:19] <socomm> Can you really tell the difference once you hit 60+ fps?
[04:19] <GotD0t> Lathiat: this is so irritating... i cant get it working
[04:20] <Despair> socomm: yes, lower input and network latency in single-threaded games.
[04:20] <kensai> is just a matter of curiosity
[04:20] <Despair> kensai: glxgears isn't a good benchmark, so it may just be a quirk caused by differening system configs.
[04:20] <kensai> I guess what was boosting my nvidia speed was xorg
[04:20] <Lathiat> GotD0t: heh whats the problem
[04:21] <kensai> Ohhhh thanks Despair
[04:21] <Despair> kensai: no, more likely the difference is in agp gart setting or in mtrr settings.
[04:21] <thursday> anyone? how to gete a graphical boot going?
[04:21] <kensai> in mtrr settings? Whats this.
[04:22] <GotD0t> Lathiat: well i installed it via apt, it asked me a couple config questions... then after install i try sudo synce-serial-start and it tells me it cant find the device settings
[04:22] <FooManGNU> Anyone have _any_ clue??  I really want to play with this, but. . .
[04:22] <Despair> kensai: first step, make sure agpgart is enabled: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status (don't paste to channel)
[04:22] <Lathiat> GotD0t: sudo synce-serial-config ttyS0 (or ttyS1 etc)....
[04:22] <Despair> first line should be `Status: Enabled`
[04:22] <GotD0t> Lathiat: like i said... USB
[04:22] <Lathiat> oh
[04:22] <Lathiat> then you still have to config it
[04:22] <Lathiat> do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0
[04:23] <GotD0t> tried... keeps telling me the device doesnt exist
[04:23] <Lathiat> like.. ls /dev/ttyUSB0
[04:23] <Lathiat> and the device will have to be plugged in and on for that to come up
[04:23] <GotD0t> it is
[04:23] <Lathiat> plug it in, do a dmesg, see if anythign came up
[04:24] <bluefoxicy>            => `warty-release-install-amd64.iso.tmpdir/archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb'
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> wtf is tihs
[04:24] <GotD0t> lathiat: its plugged in, but its not listed
[04:24] <tseng> bluefoxicy: uh, it was reverted because PR sucked
[04:24] <WW> GotD0t: unplug and plug in again?
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  the security fixes were backported?
[04:25] <tseng> yes
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> good
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> I was about to go stabbing at people from hell's heart
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> Found 10 of the 485 files required by the template
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> Jigdo is so nice.
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> it finds 10 things then complains tehn finds the next 10 and eventually teh win.
[04:25] <GotD0t> whats jigdo?
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> ...
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> it downloads files and assembles them into bigger files.
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  have you used ubuntu?
[04:27] <tseng> uhm, yes
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> how's it fare?
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> it's not going to blow up in my face like sarge did is it?
[04:27] <tseng> no
[04:27] <tseng> its nice.
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> oh good.
[04:27] <socomm> bluefoxicy: no we just like to pose on IRC channels.
[04:28] <bluefoxicy> then I'll have something useful next time I decide to reinstall, instead of a 100M basic install CD :)
[04:28] <Lathiat> GotD0t: no idea, try google...
[04:29] <PenguinBoy1> evening guys!
[04:29] <GotD0t> Lathiat: why are there so many tty's listed, but not the ttyUSB's
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  how many distros DO you have installed anyway?
[04:29] <PenguinBoy1> can someone analyze my problem
[04:29] <tseng> 3 or 4 bluefoxicy
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: the ttys are pre-created
[04:30] <tseng> only ubuntu at my home
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: ttyUSB are only created if theres a USB serial device
[04:30] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: analyze this.
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> on the same machine
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> lol
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> it had a 6 gig hard disk too.
[04:30] <PenguinBoy1> i am having trouble with apt-get update
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> AND it had win98SE
[04:30] <GotD0t> Lathiat: but it doesnt list any of my USB devices (two of which i use on a regular basis)
[04:30] <Lathiat> GotD0t: but are they serial usb devices?
[04:31] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: more info please.
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: like i said, ti only comes up if there is a usb *serial* device
[04:31] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh i dunno... does a printer count as a serial usb dev?
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: i.e. a usb-serial convertor, etc
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: and no, it doesnt
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: nor does a mouse, or most usb devices other than those that present a serial driver interface
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:31] <PenguinBoy1> edd: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:31] <GotD0t> Lathiat: hmm
[04:31] <Lathiat> GotD0t: like i said, google for your ce device and linux
[04:33] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: try updating again, or try removing that repo from your sources.list.
[04:34] <PenguinBoy1> thanks
[04:34] <PenguinBoy1> the proper syntax is apt-get update?
[04:35] <geppy> yes
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: Yes.
[04:35] <PenguinBoy1> thanks
[04:35] <PenguinBoy1> and the updates are automatically installed?
[04:35] <geppy> no
[04:35] <geppy> apt-get upgrade
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: no, that just refreshes your apt-cache.
[04:35] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: to upgrade you'll need to run `apt-get upgrade'.
[04:36] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Just in case you're not aware of this: put "sudo" in front of all those commands.
[04:36] <PenguinBoy1> ao is apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade the same command?
[04:36] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: no.
[04:37] <thursday> has anyone used bootsplash?
[04:37] <ronaldraygun> socomm, i couldn't find anything really useful on google
[04:37] <aLi`> me thursday, but on gentoo
[04:38] <ronaldraygun> i can, however, mount the partition by editing fstab
[04:38] <ronaldraygun> i just can't open any of the folders because of permission denied
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> socomm what is the significance of sudo in the apt-get command
[04:39] <thursday> aLi`, damn, i'm trying to get it going on may unbuntu laptop
[04:39] <geppy> sudo gives you root priveleges
[04:39] <geppy> You can't install packages as a user.
[04:39] <socomm> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[04:39] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Did you use sudo when you got the error ?
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> no WW
[04:39] <socomm> In this case as the `Super User'.
[04:39] <WW> PenguinBoy1: There's your problem.
[04:39] <PenguinBoy1> but I was signed onto the root terminal
[04:40] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Oh. Nevermind.
[04:40] <PenguinBoy1> does apt-get use the repositorie listing from Synaptic?
[04:40] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Yes, they use the repository
[04:41] <PenguinBoy1> should all the repositories be checked in Synaptic?
[04:41] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: synaptic is just a frontend for apt.
[04:41] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Just be sure none are duplicates.
[04:42] <PenguinBoy1> are deb and deb-src duplicates?
[04:42] <WW> PenguinBoy1: no.
[04:42] <geppy> deb = source code
[04:42] <geppy> ~deb-src = source code
[04:43] <geppy> deb = binary installer
[04:43] <geppy> If you get deb-src, you have to compile it yourself.
[04:43] <socomm> -dev == header files, needed for development purposes.
[04:43] <PenguinBoy1> can you add other repositiories to the Synaptic listing to make for a more complete system?
[04:44] <geppy> Yes/
[04:44] <GotD0t> Lathias: hmm... well I could do a wireless sync with my win2k box
[04:44] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: you need to add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <PenguinBoy1> where can you get a listing of these repositories>?
[04:44] <geppy> Using Synaptic, you can just add them with the GUI./
[04:44] <WW> PenguinBoy1: There is a Synaptic Howto on the wiki.
[04:44] <geppy> google.com
[04:44] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: than `apt-get update'
[04:44] <socomm> geppy: I don't use synaptic.
[04:45] <WW> PenguinBoy1: FYI 'apt-get update' is the same as the Reload button in Synaptic.
[04:45] <PenguinBoy1> thankls
[04:45] <PenguinBoy1> can /etc/apt/sources.list be updated by adding repositiories through Synaptic?
[04:46] <GoneBoB> yes
[04:46] <PenguinBoy1> or must you do both?
[04:46] <WW> PenguinBoy1: You can do it all in Synaptic.
[04:46] <PenguinBoy1> thaks
[04:46] <socomm> PenguinBoy1: according to people here you can do it either way.
[04:47] <visor> geppy: uhmm do you have lilo installed instead of grub? (sorry to bother, still cant do this bootsplash thing)
[04:47] <geppy> visor:  No, I'm using grub.
[04:47] <geppy> IAre you trying to set up a grub bootsplash?
[04:47] <geppy> or lilo?
[04:47] <WW> PenguinBoy1: Settings->Repositories is a GUI for modifying sources.list
[04:47] <socomm> visor: there's an entry to getting a bootsplash on grub.
[04:48] <socomm> visor: on ubuntus wiki.
[04:48] <visor> geppy: grub, but its odd, it doesnt even seem that bootsplash is installed
[04:48] <geppy> socomm:  Why does this channel not have a wiki bot?  so you can say ~wiki-bootsplash
[04:48] <geppy> or something like that
[04:48] <GotD0t> because that would be too easy
[04:48] <geppy> visor:  Are you talking about the grub bootsplash, or a bootsplash for when you're actually loading the OS?
[04:49] <geppy> GotD0t:  hahaha
[04:49] <WW> geppy: Think of all the people who would lose their jobs if that happened...
[04:49] <geppy> hahahahaha
[04:49] <visor> geppy: both of them, but at least the bootsplash would be nice (not the grub one, but rather the one when your loading the kernel)
[04:49] <geppy> What, y'all are getting paid for this?  =)
[04:50] <geppy> visor:  check the wiki
[04:51] <WW> geppy: Nah, I just hang out here for all the Ubuntu love.  Someday I hope to frolic nekkid with two beautiful young women.
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> LOL
[04:51] <PenguinBoy1> me 2
[04:51] <socomm> geppy: Don't know you'll have to ask some of the devs who hang out here.
[04:52] <GotD0t> hahaha, i love it... one of the google ads on linux.org is for a site labeled "Linus" but sells snoopy apparel
[04:52] <socomm> GotD0t: Peanuts has a character named linus.
[04:52] <kapputu> hi guys
[04:53] <socomm> GotD0t: I believe it's that dude who plays the piano.
[04:53] <kapputu> the net has become slow
[04:53] <GoneBoB> kapputu: you need a turbo
[04:53] <kapputu> what's that
[04:53] <GotD0t> scomm: i know... i just think its funny that it happens like that
[04:53] <KentutMerah> does ubuntu have a live-cd version ?
[04:53] <socomm> Yes.
[04:53] <GoneBoB> kapputu: it's an impeller connected to a turbine, and is a positive feedback device
[04:53] <GoneBoB> however, I'm just pulling your leg
[04:54] <kapputu> from there ?
[04:54] <kapputu> interesting !!
[04:54] <kapputu> :-)
[04:54] <kensai> how does one edit the swap partition size on install?
[04:54] <GoneBoB> :)
[04:54] <GoneBoB> kensai: select it and press enter?
[04:54] <kapputu> ubuntu is great
[04:54] <kapputu> firefox with extensions is slow
[04:55] <kensai> yeah but I change the size and hit enter and the size that was previosly selected stays
[04:55] <gobeavs> hi
[04:56] <FooManGNU> Would anyone care to give me a wee pointer on how to get by the linux-i386 package missing?
[04:56] <izaac> hi if i want to add an external packages source there will be no problem?
[04:57] <socomm> FooManGNU: No. :^P
[04:57] <mdz> izaac: it depends on what is in the source
[04:57] <izaac> for example the nerim sources one?
[04:57] <mdz> izaac: you do not need the nerim one; everything there is in multiverse
[04:57] <izaac> libdvdcss too?
[04:58] <mdz> izaac: well, not that
[04:58] <izaac> see ;P
[04:58] <FooManGNU> Seriously though, I've found one post in the 'unoffical' (English) forum on this, and I'm not trying to do it via a knoppix install..
[04:58] <izaac> so mdz: i  can?
[04:58] <mdz> izaac: you can, but don't blame us if it breaks :-)
[04:58] <socomm> FooManGNU: don't know never had that problem myself
[04:58] <mdz> FooManGNU: what is the problem exactly?
[04:59] <geppy> FooManGNU: reburn the cd already
[04:59] <FooManGNU> Install dies looking for the linux-i386 package..
[04:59] <izaac> mdz: then whare can i find the ubuntu libdvdcss or womething that no crashes with my ubuntu?
[04:59] <FooManGNU> geppy, md5'd the iso, cdrom burn, and checked, everything is kosher...
[04:59] <izaac> or i need to do the package myself?
[04:59] <geppy> FooManGNU:  Yeah, but if it isn't working...
[04:59] <gobeavs> has there been any problems with partitioning and formatting reported?
[05:00] <gobeavs> My system won't write the partition to disk
[05:00] <FooManGNU> geppy, to add insult to it, the sucker install's under VMWare...
[05:00] <gobeavs> and I have tried a lot of combinations
[05:00] <geppy> FooManGNU: heh... ouch
[05:00] <izaac> =|
[05:00] <izaac> or i need to wait for the ubuntu lbdvdcss release :(
[05:00] <WW> izaac: Get it from marillat
[05:01] <FooManGNU> what's in /var/log/messages is it complaining that it can't stat the source package list file
[05:01] <izaac> WW: ok let me check
[05:01] <FooManGNU> Tells me that I may want to run apt-get, then says it cannot find the linux-i386 package. . .
[05:02] <mdz> FooManGNU: I assume you mean linux-386
[05:02] <mdz> if it said linux-i386 that would be a very odd bug
[05:02] <FooManGNU> mdz, Nope, it's saying linux-i386
[05:02] <mdz> FooManGNU: what is the complete text of the error message?
[05:02] <izaac> WW: nerim is a marillat mirror :| 
[05:04] <bur[n] er> izaac: apt-get.org ?
[05:05] <izaac> ok now, there will be no problem adding the blackdown source to get the j2sdk1.4?
[05:05] <izaac> bur[n] er: thanks i alredy try that
[05:05] <FooManGNU> mdz, put it on pastebin.com under my nick.
[05:06] <PenguinBoy1> thanks for the assistance guys...I am gonna go play with Synaptic!
[05:06] <izaac> :O
[05:06] <WW> Hey GAIM/IRC gurus: What does is mean when someone's message is this:  (There was an error converting this message.  Check the 'Encoding' option in the Account Editor)
[05:06] <FooManGNU> I'm going to reburn the .iso file, just for mine and geppy's sake :)
[05:06] <mdz> FooManGNU: that is the first error?
[05:06] <WW> WW: Did the author use a nasty word?
[05:06] <mdz> because it sounds like your CD is broken
[05:07] <mdz> that message doesn't mention linux-i386; was that in a different message?
[05:07] <socomm> WW: the message is in a different character encoding.
[05:07] <kapputu> how long does it take to get the free CDs ?
[05:08] <FooManGNU> mdz, K, I'll assume it is a dead CD :/ I'd just eliminated it since the md5 was correct and I got a working setup from it in VMWare...
[05:08] <kapputu> i ordered them almost 20 days back
[05:08] <mdz> FooManGNU: in the same machine or a different one?
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: /topic
[05:08] <HeadHuntr> wow   it's busy in here
[05:08] <FooManGNU> mdz, Same machine
[05:08] <HeadHuntr> hi folks   i just installed the warty on a p3 500
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: the release only happened 5 days ago
[05:08] <mdz> kapputu: and it takes some time to have the CDs pressed
[05:09] <HeadHuntr> i got warty to replace a very slow xandros and i'm very happy
[05:09] <kapputu> nope i ordered the test releases ?
[05:09] <kapputu> yahoo doesn't work on gaim
[05:10] <geppy> kapputu:  Oh?
[05:11] <kapputu> geppy: is that surprising or are you being sarcastic ?
[05:11] <GotD0t> kapputu: yea... i believe they changed their protocol in some way... as Yahoo didnt work on Trillian for windows
[05:11] <geppy> kapputu: surprised
[05:11] <geppy> kapputu:  Worked for me a week ago.
[05:12] <geppy> kapputu:  Don't like !Y, though, so I haven't been on.
[05:12] <geppy> didn't re-add it to the accounts.xml after I installed Ubuntu.
[05:12] <kapputu> i use it very rarely
[05:12] <kapputu> accounts.xml ??
[05:12] <geppy> ~/.gaim/accounts.xml
[05:12] <geppy> the accounts config file
[05:12] <WW> I am trying to burn an ISO with Nautilus. I am using the "Write to Disc" option in the right-click menu.
[05:13] <geppy> use k3b
[05:13] <WW> Is there a way to change the speed?
[05:13] <geppy> Yes, use k3b
[05:13] <geppy> only decent KDE app
[05:13] <WW> geppy: Thanks, I may eventually use k3b, but I'd like to see if I can figure this out, too.
[05:13] <Kirsch> is there x.org for ubuntu yet?
[05:13] <kapputu> it tries to login but doesnt
[05:13] <GoneBoB> Kirsch: no
[05:14] <FLeiXiuS> geppy, gnome > kde :-)
[05:14] <socomm> kapputu: msn?
[05:14] <FLeiXiuS> but I do have to say, k3b is quite nice
[05:14] <kapputu> yahoo
[05:14] <Kirsch> FLeiXiuS: :-)
[05:14] <socomm> FLeiXiuS: k3b > nautilus cd burner
[05:14] <WW> In the "Write to Disc" window, the Write Speed option is grayed out, but it says "Maximum possible"
[05:14] <socomm> kapputu: use the yahoo messenger.
[05:14] <thoreauputic> WW: if you don't mind cli, the cdrecord program has many options for speed etc
[05:15] <socomm> kapputu: actually have you tried upgrading gaim, some older version are locked out by Y!
[05:15] <WW> thoreauputic: I don't mind CLI, but I'd still like to see if I can do it in Nautilus.
[05:16] <kapputu> apt says the newest version is installed
[05:16] <thoreauputic> WW: OK - I don't know about that
[05:16] <FLeiXiuS> socomm, definately k3b > all :-)
[05:17] <thursday> WW, yeah mine just workds... did you create the user manually by any chance?
[05:17] <kapputu> hmm why wouldn't gaim wok
[05:17] <socomm> KDE 3.* freezes up on me for no obvious reason.
[05:17] <socomm> kapputu: works here, you may need to upgrade.
[05:17] <slade_> how can i enable a user to su
[05:18] <WW> thursday: I am the only user, and the original installer.
[05:18] <socomm> /etc/sudoers
[05:18] <kapputu> gaim 1.0.0 is old ?
[05:18] <GotD0t> yea
[05:18] <GotD0t> theres a newer one... but afaik its only available on their site
[05:18] <socomm> kapputu: gaim 1.0.0 + Y! works here.
[05:19] <socomm> kapputu: maybe your password/username.
[05:19] <kapputu> hmm nope
[05:20] <socomm> kapputu: 1.0.2 is out, you may want to give that a try.
[05:20] <izaac> well i got problems installing the j2sdk package in their place i installed the GCJ one ;P i'll try the opensource way
[05:20] <socomm> kapputu: if you're really desperate http://messenger.yahoo.com
[05:20] <kapputu> no am not desperate
[05:20] <kapputu> but i would like yahoo to work with gaim
[05:20] <slade_> socomm: my user is in the sudoers file
[05:20] <slade_> but i cant su -
[05:21] <slade_> nm i got it
[05:21] <slade_> sudo su -
[05:21] <izaac> slade_: use sudo instead
[05:21] <GoneBoB> sudo -s
[05:21] <socomm> slade_: Okay.
[05:21] <GoneBoB> fives you a shell
[05:21] <GoneBoB> gives
[05:21] <izaac> =O
[05:21] <WW> I'm trying to duplicate a CD.  I created an image with dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso.  I then check that /dev/cdrom and file.iso have the same md5sum.
[05:22] <WW> Then used nautilus to write file.iso to a disk
[05:22] <WW> When I try to check the md5sum of /dev/cdrom, I get an error.
[05:22] <WW> error processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[05:23] <WW> Any ideas?
[05:23] <WW> wait, don't tell me... use k3b :)
[05:23] <thursday> lol
[05:23] <thursday> that sucks... mine just worked . :(
[05:23] <kapputu> what's k3b
[05:24] <WW> kapputu: A very nice CD burning program.
[05:24] <thursday> does anyone know what wiki engine powers the ubuntu wiki?
[05:24] <kapputu> ic
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: A front end for cdrecord, cdrao, cdda2wav, etc...
[05:24] <WW> thursday: current: moin; future plone
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: in short a cd burning program
[05:24] <kapputu> is it a KDE program ?
[05:24] <socomm> kapputu: yes, utilizes the QT library.
[05:25] <thursday> thanks man
[05:25] <bhsx> hi, i'm a gnome newbie, for sure.  I'm enjoying ubuntu very much as my first experience with it.
[05:25] <kapputu> trying to find a good Perl IDE for GNOME
[05:26] <geppy> :)
[05:26] <GoneBoB> gvim
[05:26] <geppy> kapputu:  how long have you been doing this?
[05:26] <kapputu> hmm for remote development
[05:26] <geppy> look on google.com/linux
[05:26] <socomm> gvim == 'teh' suxor
[05:26] <geppy> You'll be happier faster.
[05:26] <kapputu> something like editplus for windows
[05:26] <geppy> vim == teh r0x0r
[05:26] <kapputu> geppy : doing what ?
[05:26] <slade_> kapputu: editplus is 1337\
[05:26] <geppy> kapputu:  Looking for an IDE.
[05:26] <socomm> kapputu: kate
[05:26] <bhsx> i'd like to know where nautilus mounts smb shares when the location bar says "smb://host/share"
[05:26] <geppy> slade: NO!!!1
[05:26] <geppy> :)
[05:26] <socomm> kate is all you'll ever need if you're into KDE.
[05:26] <kapputu> what's 1337
[05:26] <GoneBoB> bhsx: it doesn't
[05:27] <kapputu> GNOME
[05:27] <socomm> 1337 == elite.
[05:28] <bhsx> well, i need to access that share via terminal, what's the command again... after mkdir /mnt/share is it "mount -t smbfs -o usre //host/share /mnt/share"?
[05:29] <izaac> oh man :| now i got problems with ogm tools
[05:30] <bhsx> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //gwy700gr/dvd,
[05:30] <bhsx>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:30] <kapputu> anything for GNOME ?
[05:30] <bhsx> ??  what should i do about something like that?
[05:30] <jay> where does gnome 2.8 store its filesystem icons?
[05:31] <jay> looking for icon for smb share
[05:31] <socomm> kapputu: gedit
[05:31] <kapputu> for remote development ?
[05:31] <kapputu> i was suggested emacs + tramp
[05:32] <jay> anyone?
[05:32] <socomm> Dunno, I don't have any experience there.
[05:32] <socomm> Jay hold on.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> jay: /usr/share/pixmaps I think
[05:32] <kapputu> that's ok.. thanx for trying to help
[05:32] <socomm> Nevermind someone answered.
[05:33] <jay> dont see it there
[05:33] <jay> is there a filesystem directory
[05:34] <socomm> jay: the system wide icons are stored there, you can install your own icon set under ~/.icons
[05:34] <jay> an smb share
[05:34] <kapputu> dint get any help for mplayer with smb support
[05:34] <socomm> jaalto: http://www.gnome-look.org
[05:34] <thoreauputic> jay: open a terminal and do : locate icons | grep gnome | grep smb
[05:34] <socomm> s/jaalto/jay
[05:35] <thoreauputic> jay: that brings up a few results here - your mileage may vary
[05:36] <kapputu> how do i install glib using apt ?
[05:36] <socomm> kapputu: `apt-cache search glib | less'
[05:36] <crimsun> glib2 is already installed
[05:37] <crimsun> if you're trying to compile something, then you need libglib2.0-dev
[05:38] <bhsx> is there a "PLF" of sorts yet for ubuntu?  a repository for things like win32-codecs and java amongst other "controvercial" packages?
[05:38] <jay> found it great thanks in /usr/share/icons
[05:38] <geppy> google.com
[05:39] <socomm> bhsx: that's in the wiki somewhere.
[05:39] <socomm> bhsx: I also wrote a tutorial on how to get mplayer going, if you're interested.
[05:39] <bhsx> yes, very
[05:39] <bhsx> thanks
[05:40] <socomm> http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[05:40] <bhsx> i do like the ubuntu cleanness, and I am going to give it a chance, but where's a good kde repository?
[05:40] <geppy> bshx:  not on ubuntu
[05:41] <Despair> universe, multiverse
[05:41] <SuperQ> evening all
[05:41] <geppy> have any of you used dbfs?
[05:41] <geppy> evening
[05:41] <socomm> Dragon Ball FS?
[05:41] <socomm> :)
[05:41] <SuperQ> haha
[05:41] <geppy> SuperQ:  how did you arrive at "trogdor.likes.to.burninate.net"? =D
[05:41] <WW> Four coasters later, I guess I'll install k3b.
[05:41] <geppy> hahaha
[05:42] <SuperQ> geppy: i own burninate.net
[05:42] <geppy> database filesystem: http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/projects/dbfs/
[05:42] <socomm> Motoral had a chip called Dragon Ball something.
[05:42] <geppy> SuperQ: Sweet.  :)
[05:42] <SuperQ> geppy: :)
[05:43] <SuperQ> ok.. so universe/squirrelmail is 1.5.0 which is based on the old unstable development package
[05:43] <SuperQ> which had broken deps
[05:43] <SuperQ> squirrelmail was moved back to 1.4.3a stable
[05:43] <SuperQ> it'd be nice if ubuntu folowed suit
[05:43] <jay> i need help... how do i make a shortcut for an smb share on my desktop?
[05:43] <jay> i want to click it and get it mounted
[05:43] <SuperQ> jay: hrm
[05:44] <socomm> jaalto: computer->network
[05:44] <jay> is it possible?
[05:45] <socomm> gah sorry jaalto, I meant jay.
[05:45] <bhsx> socomm, can you remind me of the correct syntax for mounting a passwd protected smb share?
[05:45] <socomm> jay go to computer->network then copy that stuff to your desktop
[05:45] <jay> ah ok
[05:45] <SuperQ> you should be able to drag a shortcut from Computer/Network
[05:45] <socomm> bhsx I'm not fortunate enough to have to deal with smb, sorry.
[05:46] <kapputu> socomm, I get two errors when i boot
[05:46] <kapputu> something like modprobe, error pciehp operation not permitted
[05:46] <kapputu> something to do with the hotplug system
[05:46] <kapputu> this makes my bootup slow
[05:47] <socomm> kapputu: you can get rid of that stuff, should be under /etc/init.d/
[05:47] <kapputu> can't find them there
[05:48] <jay> no java still :(
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: /etc/init.d/hotplug
[05:48] <jay> no apt-get install java
[05:48] <jay> :(
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: I forget the proper way to get rid of it but you can move it to your /roots directory
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: and that will stop it from doing all that hot plug stuff at boot.
[05:48] <GotD0t> socomm: thats a very well written mplayer tut
[05:49] <socomm> GotD0t: Thanks, though I really dislike it.
[05:49] <GotD0t> socomm: why?
[05:49] <jay> any other way around getting java in ubuntu
[05:49] <socomm> GotD0t: dunno, it still somewhat incomplete.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> jay: java is "non-free" in the liberty/open sense - you wil have to go to the sun website to get it, unless you can locate a working blackdown java apt source (currently an issue)
[05:49] <kapputu> move entire hotplug file ?
[05:49] <kapputu> ok one more thing
[05:49] <kapputu> it tries to look for a network interface
[05:50] <GotD0t> socomm: just so you know, the codec tarball link is outdated
[05:50] <kapputu> and takes up a long time there
[05:50] <jay> thoreauputic, ok thanks
[05:50] <jay> i forget how to install the tar from sun
[05:50] <jay> so i guess i will wait on that
[05:50] <socomm> GotD0t: I know that was just a lazy way to write it though.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> jay: read the instructions, if all else fails ;)
[05:50] <socomm> GotD0t: Which is why it's still incomplete.
[05:51] <jay> ugh instructions :P
[05:52] <WW> Oh man, k3b has goofy sound effects.
[05:52] <izaac> anyone know how can i play an ogm file?
[05:52] <socomm> WW: hehe.
[05:52] <socomm> izaac: mplayer
[05:52] <crimsun> izaac: mplayer
[05:53] <socomm> izaac: anime?
[05:53] <izaac> socomm: yeap
[05:53] <GotD0t> haha
[05:53] <izaac> i cant do it with the default media player that comes with ubuntu?
[05:53] <crimsun> ogm has nothing to do w/ anime
[05:54] <izaac> Totem of something
[05:54] <izaac> or*
[05:54] <crimsun> you can create a mp3 file wrapped with ogg called ogm
[05:54] <socomm> crimsun: lucky guess.
[05:54] <crimsun> or any movie file
[05:54] <socomm> crimsun: just that some anime subbers like to release their files under ogm because you can offer different language subs under one file.
[05:57] <socomm> izaac: you may have to install the right codecs to play ogm under totem.
[05:58] <WW> If k3b needs cdrdao to burn CDs, why is that not a dependency in apt?
[05:59] <GotD0t> WW: probably because it doesnt directly use any of cdrdao's files to run k3b
[06:01] <GotD0t> WW: if that makes sense
[06:03] <WW> GotD0t: Sort of, but it sounds like a technical, hair-splitting distinction that only a dev would love.
[06:03] <SuperQ> ok.. so i can't file bugs against universe
[06:04] <SuperQ> and there are bugs that can be fixed by syncing with sarge
[06:04] <SuperQ> what's the procedure?
[06:04] <SuperQ> am I just stuck with the crap in universe?
[06:05] <GoneBoB> if you wait.. for a short time
[06:05] <GoneBoB> you will be able to get packages from hoary
[06:05] <SuperQ> ok
[06:05] <GoneBoB> which will be cyned with current sarge
[06:05] <SuperQ> ok
[06:05] <SuperQ> that'd be good
[06:06] <GoneBoB> *sycned
[06:06] <GoneBoB> bah synced
[06:06] <GoneBoB> yes :)
[06:06] <GoneBoB> that should be within a few days
[06:06] <SuperQ> cause I have a bunch of bugs that got fixed back in july with sarge
[06:06] <SuperQ> and I have to get them re-fxied all over again
[06:06] <SuperQ> hehe
[06:06] <GoneBoB> universe re-syncs with debian testing for each release
[06:07] <SuperQ> hrm
[06:07] <GoneBoB> but the packages can also be resynced on request, I'm not sure what the official line on that is though
[06:07] <SuperQ> what about with stable?
[06:07] <SuperQ> (if sarge ever goes stable)
[06:07] <GoneBoB> that'll be a topic for then, however it's highly likely to continue tracking testing
[06:07] <SuperQ> dieman claims there will be some new form/procedure for sync requests
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:07] <GoneBoB> there will be
[06:07] <GoneBoB> currently it's a case of ask
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:08] <SuperQ> what about binary compatability?
[06:08] <SuperQ> taking packags built against hoary, and stuffing them into warty
[06:09] <SuperQ> that sounds awfuly messy
[06:09] <GoneBoB> this is why you have packages
[06:09] <GoneBoB> that track dependancies :)
[06:09] <SuperQ> heh
[06:09] <GoneBoB> but if you want the latest stuff
[06:09] <SuperQ> well
[06:09] <jdub> GoneBoB: hoary will be synced from *sid*
[06:10] <SuperQ> ugh
[06:10] <GoneBoB> oh, I suck
[06:10] <Pete-Gas> what plugin do I need for ryhtmbox to play mp3's?
[06:10] <SuperQ> well.. that's a major problem
[06:10] <jdub> we have a period of syncing from sid
[06:10] <jdub> then we freeze
[06:10] <jdub> then we sync only when required
[06:11] <jdub> for bugfixes and so on
[06:11] <blahrus> anyone know if there is a port dvd::rip for ubuntu anywhere?
[06:11] <jdub> when hoary opens up, it'll be a world of pain to start ;)
[06:11] <GoneBoB> should probably write a wiki for the sync
[06:11] <dieman> "I hope they've given some of these things more thought than I have as a relative outsider, and I'll just wait and see how it goes, while mercilessly exploiting them as much as I can. ;-)
[06:11] <dieman> "
[06:11] <dieman> heh
[06:11] <dieman> joeyh doesn't exploit all of you as much as I do ;)
[06:11] <dieman> cute though, reading http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html
[06:12] <Pete-Gas> rythmbox says that it doesnt have an mp3 plugin, so what do I need to install to get it working?
[06:12] <SuperQ> man
[06:12] <SuperQ> if the debian-amd64 guys weren't so messed up
[06:12] <SuperQ> I wouldn't even bother with ubuntu-amd64
[06:13] <SuperQ> atleast, for my server stuff
[06:15] <WW> Pete-Gas: I think it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:15] <jdub> Pete-Gas: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> yea
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> thanks
[06:16] <Pete-Gas> how come that isnt already installed by default?
[06:16] <GotD0t> good question
[06:16] <WW> OK, k3b worked, and nautilus-cd-burner didn't.  How can I find out what speed nautilus tries to use?
[06:16] <Dekkard> my hotplug is a lil borked...
[06:17] <Pete-Gas> yea I dont know if this is a know bug or not but hald dies when I plug in my ipod with usb2
[06:17] <jonoxer> Pete-Gas: because it's not part of the main ubuntu distribution, it's in the unsupported section
[06:22] <GotD0t> hmm... why wont an audio CD mount?
[06:23] <GoneBoB> think about that for a minute
[06:23] <GoneBoB> and answer your own question :)
[06:23] <jdub> you can't mount audio cds :)
[06:23] <GotD0t> hmm?
[06:23] <izaac> yeah! dudes! i was able to play ogm and matroska with gxine ;D
[06:23] <GotD0t> haha
[06:24] <jonoxer> As usual there's an exception: some audio CDs have data partitions too
[06:24] <izaac> thanks for the help
[06:24] <GotD0t> then how do i play the music?
[06:25] <jdub> GotD0t: you use the cd player
[06:25] <GotD0t> can't xmms do it?
[06:25] <izaac> GotD0t: configure the cdplayer software to aim /dev/cdrom
[06:25] <izaac> or whearever the dev is
[06:25] <spikeb> is gxine in universe?
[06:25] <izaac> spikeb: yes it is
[06:26] <spikeb> okie dokie
[06:26] <spikeb> :)
[06:26] <izaac> ;)
[06:26] <BarnabasCollins> anyone know if there is any cd art for Warty ??
[06:27] <WW> I have a LITE-ON COMBO LTC-48161H  CD/DVD drive.  According to HAL, storage.cdrom.write_speed=0. Is that normal?
[06:28] <izaac> 0 is for maximum no?
[06:28] <WW> I think k3b complained about this when it started.
[06:28] <bern> i need some help with memory usage and swap space
[06:28] <GotD0t> can't xmms play audo cd's?
[06:28] <WW> izaac: Could be...
[06:29] <bohrbug> Weird problem: Knoppix boots ok, screen looks good, Ubuntu Live CD boots but X-windows screen is shifted 2 inches to the right, with a 2 inch black border on the left side
[06:29] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: yes
[06:29] <GotD0t> wm_eddie: how?
[06:29] <wm_eddie> You know there's a GNOME cd player.
[06:29] <GotD0t> wm_eddie: i like xmms
[06:29] <wm_eddie> xmms suchs.
[06:29] <wm_eddie> and sucks too.
[06:30] <smo> WW: fwiw, mine's set to 5540 (0x15a4) .. I've no idea what that means, but atleast shows they're not all zero
[06:30] <wm_eddie> I think you point it to /mnt/cdrom/ or maybe /dev/cdrom...
[06:30] <WW> smo: Hmmm...
[06:30] <izaac> =/
[06:31] <WW> smo: (Thanks for checking!)
[06:31] <psyklops> bohrbug.... uh... adjust your monitor?
[06:31] <WW> Well, I've been telling people to just right-click to burn ISO.  Now I'm not so sure about that.
[06:32] <spikeb> mine burns dandy
[06:33] <spikeb> no idea what any of this set stuff is
[06:33] <bern> i need some help with memory usage and swap space
[06:33] <bohrbug> psyklops: Can't do it, integrated LCD
[06:33] <izaac> WW: it isn't 100% sure to work in all cases
[06:33] <GotD0t> why do so many people hate xmms?
[06:33] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: Because it sucks...?
[06:34] <WW> izaac: You mean using the maximum speed isn't sure to work?
[06:34] <psyklops> bohrbug: since its a live CD you can't really do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... hmm
[06:34] <GotD0t> wm_eddie what sucks about it?
[06:34] <wm_eddie> The interface, it's way of organizing music.
[06:34] <bob2> bohrbug: file a bug
[06:34] <izaac> WW: no i mean the process of burning a cd simple going and right click on a image
[06:35] <GotD0t> i like the minimalist interface...
[06:35] <wm_eddie> GotD0t: it's far from minimalistic.
[06:35] <bohrbug> psyklops: WHat I did was also to install the ubuntu system, screen didn't work, so I booted knoppix and copied the XFConfig-4 to ubuntu, but with no success
[06:35] <GotD0t> its simple...
[06:35] <WW> izaac: But doesn't that just run nautilus-cd-burner?  So nautilus-cd-burner isn't gauranteed to work???
[06:35] <wm_eddie> Muine is minimalistic and it's better than xmms.
[06:35] <wm_eddie> it's not simple either.
[06:35] <izaac> GotD0t: i lijke xmms too
[06:35] <bob2> GotD0t: if you relly want xmms-cdread can let xmms play cds
[06:35] <WW> izaac: ... say it ain't so!
[06:35] <GotD0t> i figured it out
[06:36] <GotD0t> it works without that
[06:36] <psyklops> bohrbug: maybe knoppix loads different video drivers
[06:36] <izaac> WW: i think so, cause nautilus cdburner not guarantee you to burn properly a DVD image for example
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> dude
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> not fair
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> come on.
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> how the hell do I install the Nuvola theme in gnome
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> and chunks of crap are missing
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> I don't know how much of Gnome I have
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> it installed without gnome-panel or nautilus
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> or metacity
[06:36] <bohrbug> psyklops: Nope, but maybe they use different versions of Xfree
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> so it installed basically nothing
[06:36] <WW> izaac: If that is true, the option should be disable! Or simply removed!
[06:37] <joem> bluefoxicy, try to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[06:37] <wm_eddie> And Quod Libet is going to be an awesome music player once it's finished.
[06:37] <joem> should depend on everything in a stock desktop
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> /dev/hda3             1.4G  881M  514M  64% /
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> joem:  is that wise?
[06:37] <izaac> WW: i though the name says so.. cause is nautilus-_CD_-burner
[06:37] <izaac> hehehe
[06:37] <WW> izaac: ?
[06:37] <joem> it is installed by default, but since your default install seems to be borked, should try it
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> joem:  how much space will it require
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> I have 514M free you know.
[06:38] <psyklops> bohrbug: no idea...
[06:38] <joem> well, iirc the required about of space for the normal install is 1.8 gig
[06:38] <wm_eddie> time for bed.
[06:39] <psyklops> wow...
[06:39] <GotD0t> hav efun
[06:39] <izaac> WW: sorry if i dont explain myself clearly cause i dont speak english so good
[06:39] <psyklops> how much does something like fluxbox take...
[06:39] <bohrbug> psyklops: Me neither, cause it's such a weird problem. I'll stick to debian, cause that works. Thanks :)
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> thunderbird doesn't seem to like ~/.thunderbird
[06:39] <WW> izaac: I think I see what you meant... but I was burning CDs, so it should work.
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> it thinks I have nothing.
[06:40] <psyklops> well, I see little difference between ubuntu and debian anyway
[06:40] <GotD0t> trust me izaac: your english is much better than most peoples at my old high school
[06:40] <psyklops> except that ubuntu comes with all the p-to-date stuff installed already
[06:40] <wm_eddie> psyklops: That's a good thing :)
[06:40] <izaac> GotD0t: thanks dude ;D
[06:40] <joem> also has a 6 month release cycle
[06:41] <wm_eddie> The 6 month release cycle is what is most important for me I think.
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> ok this is broken so back to gentoo.
[06:41] <izaac> WW: well but it isn't good enough as k3b for example with a lot of options and features
[06:41] <bob2> wow, bleufoxicy is still an idiot no matter what distro he uses
[06:41] <psyklops> hm, I don't feel like reinstalling my whole system when another release comes
[06:42] <DJ_Stefan0> I have installed Ubuntu but i cant load up X, ive tried both "vesa" and "ati" settings. I have an Athlon 64 3400+ and ATI X800 pro and ive tried the latest 64bit Ubuntu.. it worked a bit with X but then it crashed, can u tell me what version of Xfree86 it uses so i can report a bug?
[06:42] <joem> bob2, heh
[06:42] <wm_eddie> psyklops: dist-upgrade :)
[06:42] <psyklops> yeah, thought so
[06:42] <wm_eddie> and you don't have to upgrade, there's support for one year.
[06:42] <psyklops> I tried that once though, and lost EVERYTHING
[06:42] <izaac> GNOME still lacks in a Burning app, like k3b
[06:42] <psyklops> it was in knoppix...
[06:42] <bob2> psyklops: um, file bugs then
[06:42] <izaac> a good one i mean
[06:42] <bob2> psyklops: dist-upgrade works for nearly everyone else
[06:43] <bob2> psyklops: oh, knoppix? that's not supposed to work.
[06:43] <bob2> izaac: nautilus
[06:43] <psyklops> heh
[06:43] <psyklops> yeah
[06:43] <psyklops> it was a harddrive install
[06:43] <GotD0t> wow... this cd is pretty good
[06:43] <psyklops> and I thought I would be upgrading everything
[06:43] <joem> izaac, there is one in the works
[06:43] <wm_eddie> Someone should port k3b.
[06:43] <GotD0t> seriously
[06:43] <wm_eddie> If there's one qt app I'd use, it'd be K3b.  It's pretty good.
[06:43] <bob2> psyklops: yes, knoppix hard drive installs are useless
[06:43] <joem> no, k3b is ugly and uses cdrecord
[06:43] <wm_eddie> but nautilus handles pretty much all I need.
[06:43] <izaac> joem: what's its name?
[06:44] <joem> izaac, coaster-burn.org
[06:44] <wm_eddie> joem: well it can't help but be ugly, it uses qt after all :P
[06:44] <Hikaru79> wm_eddie: port it to what?
[06:44] <izaac> joem: :O thanks for the tip
[06:44] <wm_eddie> gtk
[06:44] <schweeb> they're kinda slacking on coaster lately
[06:44] <wm_eddie> coaster is probably better though.
[06:44] <WW> wm_eddie: Nautilus just created four coasters, but k3b worked.
[06:44] <psyklops> bob2: well, it worked well enough for what I needed
[06:45] <bob2> psyklops: except it broke when you updated
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> what version of Xfree86 does the latest amd64 Ubuntu use
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> ?
[06:45] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: 4.3
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> thanx
[06:45] <bob2> DJ_Stefan0: it's only ever used one version, you don't need to "know"what version you have
[06:45] <spikeb> eh
[06:45] <spikeb> bah
[06:45] <psyklops> bob2: oh well
[06:45] <wm_eddie> ok, now real sleep
[06:45] <DJ_Stefan0> im reporting a bug
[06:47] <GotD0t> what is tla?
[06:47] <jonoxer> Three Letter Acronym?
[06:47] <Treenaks> GNU TLA
[06:47] <lifeless> GNU Arch
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> DAMN! UBUNTU DROPPED FROM 3 ON DISTRO WATCH TO 17!
[06:47] <RuffianSoldier> GRR
[06:47] <joem> GotD0t, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/
[06:47] <Treenaks> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/
[06:48] <joem> nice try loser
[06:48] <Treenaks> RuffianSoldier: download more!
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> suggestion here
[06:48] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> Gnome is pretty useless without X
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> and it doesn't seem to depend on anything that depends on anything that installs an X server.
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> this was the same problem I had with sarge
[06:48] <jonoxer> Hehe, yeah it's related to Arch
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> it took me like 2 hours to get it to start
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> sooooo . . . why not rectify that some time?
[06:49] <GotD0t> what you talkin bout... its #4
[06:49] <joem> bluefoxicy, no, it does
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> "Ah, the tetsaiga has become a lot heavier I see"  "It's a lot heavier ya stupid jackass >:("
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> joem:  not for me.
[06:49] <WW> Hmmm... just checked an older CD that I burned with nautilus (but didn't verify the burn), and it's bad, too.
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> it didn't complain in the least.
[06:49] <psyklops> maybe he's looking at the "daily" list...
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> it recommended it
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> but it didn't depend on it.
[06:49] <joem> bluefoxicy, at a quick glance, I can see libgtk depending on xlibs
[06:50] <WW> That was the warty LiveCD that I haven't tried yet!
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> and it didn't automatically depned on it.
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  yes, it does want xlibs
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  xlibs is not an x server.
[06:50] <psyklops> actually, it is 17th to me too...
[06:50] <joem> but you can follow the trail of depends
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> joem:  It needs an X server.  xlibs let you talk to an xserver, like kdrive or xorg-x11 or xfree86
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> I had xlibs
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> but it didn't complain about not having x-window-server or whatever it was.
[06:51] <WW> Before I file a bug about nautilus-cd-burner, does anyone have any suggestions of further tests I could try?
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> and when i ran /etc/init.d/gdm start, it said it could'nt find /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> so I installed x-windows-server or something like that and it suddenly worked; though it took me about an hour poking around.
[06:52] <psyklops> WW: hmm... I don't know what you're trying to do... *reads back*
[06:52] <joem> bluefoxicy, something was obviously wrong with your install, since you were missing lots of gnome components as well
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> joem:  custom install.  I didn't have the 1.8G so I started from scratch
[06:52] <lifeless> arh
[06:52] <WW> psyklops: Just buring ISOs with nautilus.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> joem:  But I expect it to actually install an X server when i tell it I want gnome
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> because gnome is an X program that needs to run under an X server
[06:52] <gobeavs> is there a bug with the partitioning? I tried to partition and format in the 64bit edition, and it kept coming up with errors..I tried with the reiser, ext3, and the auto-config...any sugestions?
[06:53] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: actually, gnome is a xclient program, not an xserver program. (I've used it happily like that, gnome on my server,windows on my desktop with a local XServer.)
[06:53] <Lathiat> helps to know what the error said and what specific information you wereputtingit
[06:54] <RuffianSoldier> OH GOD! I LOVE DEBIAN! SOOOO MUCH!
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> lifeless:  ah, so an xserver is not required?
[06:54] <WW> RuffianSoldier: ...and Debian wuvs you too.
[06:54] <lifeless> not on the same machine, no.
[06:54] <RuffianSoldier> YAY! WW!
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> lifeless:  it also seems to not depend on metacity (window manager), nautilus (to draw the icons/desktop), and gnome-panel (for menus and task bar)
[06:55] <lifeless> those, I can't comment on. there is a gnome-desktop though, that IIRC brings in everything.
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> which pretty much means it dumps you to a blue screen where mouseclicksa nd keycombos do nothing.
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> ah!
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> gnome-desktop
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> what of thunderbird?
[06:55] <psyklops> WW: no idea... go for it
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> I have ~/.thunderbird/ on gentoo, share my home directory, but thunderbird on ubuntu thinks there's nothing
[06:55] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: no idea sorry.
[06:56] <RuffianSoldier> i use Xemian evolution
[06:57] <RuffianSoldier> MUST GET POTATO WEDGES!
[06:57] <skvidal> I was reading on one of the debian or ubuntu blogs about potential python-dpkg bindings
[06:58] <skvidal> any headway on that?
[06:58] <WW> mmmmm.... potato wedges....
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> who here supports Bush, and who supports Kerry?
[07:06] <Lathiat> I support your mum
[07:07] <psyklops> I don't _support_ either of them...
[07:07] <psyklops> I wish there was an alternative...
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> nader :-p
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> i hate him, he will just let bush win
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> ive had enough of that coke sniffer lune
[07:07] <psyklops> so, how goes his chances?
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> slim
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> everyone knows he wont win
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> so why vote for him
[07:08] <psyklops> yeah... may as well vote for kerry...
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> hes not bush. thats why i like kerry
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[07:08] <WW> RuffianSoldier: Take is somewhere else.
[07:09] <WW> s/is/it/
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[07:09] <psyklops> I don't care so much that he may continue to make mistakes... just as long as its not done in the same way as we always have been with Bush ("stay the course" ugh...)
[07:09] <WW> psyklops: Now don't you start...
[07:09] <WW> :)
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> i agree psyklops
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> Vote Linus!
[07:09] <psyklops> and that will be the end of it
[07:10] <psyklops> for the sake of the topic
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> how about this, VOTE LINUS!
[07:10] <psyklops>  not so sure about that...
[07:10] <WW> You BUSH guys IS are A going BLITHERING off MORON topic.
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> fine
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> Bill Gates!
[07:10] <Lathiat> im sure linus mentioned something abotu worled domination last time i saw him... :P
[07:10] <thoreauputic> hehe - I second the VOTE LINUS!
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> how about, VOTE GATES!
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> WW:  stfu, bush is winning
[07:10] <psyklops> sure he can code a hulluva kernel, but can he bring FREEDOM to the world?! (sarcasm...)
[07:10] <DJ_Stefan0> i third the Vote Linus
[07:10] <thoreauputic> only problem - he's a Finn
[07:11] <cfactor> is it hotplug that loads up the network drivers?  What would be the ubuntu way to choose a different network driver?
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> VOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> linus can't be president, he's not within bounds as defidned by the constitution, IIRC article 2 section 3
[07:11] <Lathiat> cfactor: hotplug yes
[07:11] <Lathiat> cfactor: whats the problem, e100 vs eepro100 or something?
[07:11] <pupilzeng> How to disable IPv6?
[07:11] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Why do you want to?
[07:11] <cfactor> No, I just want to use hostap instead of orinoco_pci.
[07:11] <Lathiat> It shouldn't cause any problems
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> VOTE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ!  (Sun Microsystem CEO)
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> members of senate must be US citizens for 14 years, president must be natural
[07:12] <bluefoxicy> or something.
[07:12] <Lathiat> cfactor: well you could put it in the blacklist list in /etc/hotplug
[07:12] <Lathiat> cfactor: and load it yourself
[07:12] <Lathiat> im sure theres an override or something
[07:12] <pupilzeng> resolving domain name is so slow
[07:12] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: I'd rather vote for Hitler
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:12] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: One particular domain or all of them?
[07:12] <pupilzeng> All
[07:12] <Lathiat> That shouldnt be the fault of ivp6
[07:12] <Lathiat> whats in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:13] <psyklops> Hey, hitler without the genocidal dreams might not be so bad :P
[07:13] <DJ_Stefan0> can sum1 tell me what setting should i try for Xserver on the amd64 version of Ubuntu for my graphics card: ATI Radeon X800 Pro
[07:13] <DJ_Stefan0> ?
[07:13] <cfactor> so modules.conf would be the correct way?
[07:13] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: it's all right, just as Windows
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> the newest xorgs can do 3d on 9200 radeons
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> with IGP320
[07:13] <Lathiat> cfactor: i have no idea how hotplug figures out what to load
[07:13] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: oh you want to disable ipv6 in windows?
[07:14] <RuffianSoldier> which is better?  Xfree86 or X.org?
[07:14] <pupilzeng> no, I want to disable it in ubuntu
[07:14] <DJ_Stefan0> I have so far tried vesa (didnt work at all), ati (flickered for a while but crashed)
[07:14] <thoreauputic> psyklops: err... and without the serious mental illness and anti-semitism, and.....<insert psychotic idea here.
[07:14] <DJ_Stefan0> is there any other generic setting i could try for my card?
[07:14] <WW> If you were an Ubuntu developer, and someone filed a bug that said "nautilus-cd-burner didn't burn an ISO correctly", what information would you want?
[07:14] <pupilzeng> I mean the name servers setting is the same as WIndows
[07:14] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: like i said, whats in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:14] <cfactor> I'm wondering if hotplug is smart enough to read modules.conf and work accordingly.  I guess I'll have to RTFM.
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> 
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver 202.112.26.34
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver 202.120.2.101
[07:15] <pupilzeng> nameserver 198.51.22.11
[07:15] <Lathiat> heh /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:15] <Lathiat> # causes no end of confusion by creating unexpected network interfaces
[07:15] <Lathiat> eth1394
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> mmmmmmmm win32
[07:16] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: what are you smoking? Can I have some?
[07:16] <RuffianSoldier> ya!
[07:16] <RuffianSoldier> $20
[07:16] <thoreauputic> cheap
[07:16] <WW> It's the potato wedges...
[07:16] <psyklops> pirated ;)
[07:17] <pupilzeng> I want to know which program load the module ipv6
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> Gates/Jobs 04'!
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[07:18] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: id get there if you just told me what i wanted to know first...
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> Well, i hope Ubuntu had a fun time as #3 on distrowatch, its now #17 :-(
[07:19] <Lathiat> haha howd it get to #3
[07:19] <psyklops> hits per DAY
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> i dont knjow
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[07:19] <thoreauputic> WW: re nautilus - it would probably help if you could run it with a debugger mode e.g. with gdb
[07:19] <psyklops> more days...
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4 there its n#4
[07:20] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: this is now known as the yoper effect, I believe
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> JEEZ! HOW LONG HAS MANDRAKE BEEN #1?
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> wtf is yoper effect
[07:21] <Hikaru79> Mandrake is #1? o_O;
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> isnt Yoper a distro
[07:21] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: Sorry for my broken English. Which program loads the module ipv6?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> yoper was very popular when it was new
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Your english hasn't been broken, I just wanted to know what was in /etc/resolv.conf (I'm an ipv6 developer see, and i was interested to see if there was a problem I can look at)
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> IC
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: add ipv6 to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:21] <Hikaru79> Haha, Ubuntu's beating Debian :D
[07:21] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: and it shouldnt load anymore
[07:21] <thoreauputic> thus, "yoper effect" == "new distro effect"
[07:22] <WW> thoreauputic: I'm not familiar with using debuggers.  Also, it doesn't crash.
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> Hikaru79, ya, I never liked strait Debian, but i only use Debian based distros
[07:22] <Pizbit> Argh, someone feeling like checking my maths? If I transfer 244MiB and it takes 86 minutes, what is the average transfer rate in KiB/s?
[07:22] <WW> thoreauputic: If I hadn't checked the md5sum, I might not have known something was wrong with the CD.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> WW: well, there's strace as well - problem is finding what the cli command for the nautilus cd burner actually is
[07:23] <pupilzeng> the resolv.conf is like this:nameserver 202.112.26.34
[07:23] <pupilzeng> nameserver 202.120.2.101
[07:23] <pupilzeng> nameserver 198.51.22.11
[07:23] <WW> thoreauputic: Remarkably, it is nautilus-cd-burner :)
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: ok well then yeh, IPv6 should have no effect on your domain resolution
[07:23] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: You mean ipv6 is loaded by hotplug?
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: but none the less, if you add ipv6 to a line in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then it shouldnt load
[07:23] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: i think so
[07:23] <thoreauputic> WW: hehe... wow a logical gnome command :)
[07:23] <Lathiat> one way to fine out...
[07:24] <pupilzeng> but why the domain resolution is so slow?
[07:24] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: Not sure, your name servers might be broken
[07:24] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: could have network issues
[07:25] <WW> thoreauputic:  :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> pupilzeng: I have to head off, if you want drop me a line on ubuntu@lathiat-spam.bur.st if you find that ipv6 fixes it
[07:25] <pupilzeng> Lathiat: Ok, thanks
[07:25] <thoreauputic> WW: well if you run nautilus-cd-burner from a terminal, does it spit out error messages as you attempt to use it? The devs would be interested in those
[07:25] <Zubthemaster9> can anyone help me out with a problem?
[07:26] <Zubthemaster9> Just installed Ubuntu
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: I can give you the address of a good shrink...
[07:26] <Zubthemaster9> hmm, query me later :D
[07:26] <WW> thoreauputic: I'll try it again and see what happens.  I was just looking for a "verbose" option among nautilus-cd-burner's command line options.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: ;)
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> thereauputic: ^^
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> *thoreauputic
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> whoops
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> eheh
[07:27] <Zubthemaster9> and for some reason, I can't access the internet.. Do i need to get compatible drivers for my ethernet card od is that not necessary?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> WW: ~$ man nautilus-cd-burner
[07:28] <thoreauputic> No manual entry for nautilus-cd-burner
[07:28] <thoreauputic> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[07:28] <RuffianSoldier> "Have you mood today?"
[07:28] <thoreauputic> WW: I hate that...
[07:28] <pupilzeng> exit
[07:28] <thoreauputic> RuffianSoldier: apt-get moo
[07:29] <Ruffian_JANE> hey all, im on my computer "JANE"
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> HI!
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianJANE!
[07:30] <Ruffian_JANE> i am you! you are me!
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> so?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> where's RuffianTarzan ?
[07:31] <Zubthemaster9> :D
[07:31] <WW> thoreauputic: I didn't learn much from
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> brb
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> wait
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> nvm
[07:31] <WW> nautilus-cd-burner --help
[07:31] <Ruffian_JANE> nautilus-cd burner?
[07:31] <Zubthemaster9> does anyone have any idea why I wouldn't be able to access the internet when using ubuntu?
[07:32] <RuffianWW> DEBAIN! YAY!
[07:32] <Ruffian_JANE> HEY! F U WW! :-)
[07:32] <thoreauputic> WW: heh - "invalid image" or something. right?
[07:32] <Zubthemaster9> when it works on a win partition on the same comp?
[07:32] <Ruffian_JANE> do you have your nick registerd WW?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: umm... incorrect configuration... What are you using? cable? DSL? I guess cable, right?
[07:34] <Zubthemaster9> cable, yeah
[07:34] <WW> thoreauputic: I haven't seen "invalid image".  But when I try "md5sum /dev/cdrom" on a CD burned with nautilus, I get an error.
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: what does ifconfig eth0 say?
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> you mean, when booting up?
[07:35] <WW> Ruffian_JANE: Probably not.
[07:35] <Ruffian_JANE> MUST............ WALK............ DOG................
[07:35] <Ruffian_JANE> bbl
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> dunno, goes by too fast to read lol
[07:35] <Zubthemaster9> ^^;
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Zubthemaster9: run ifconfig eth0 in a terminal (don't paste it though)
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> if or ip?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ifconfig eth0  (that's a zero)
[07:36] <Burgundavia> if
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> ah, k
[07:36] <Burgundavia> interface config
[07:36] <Burgundavia> not like ipconfig in windows
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> be back in one second then ^_^
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> right, that's what I;m used to
[07:36] <Zubthemaster9> ok, one second ^^
[07:37] <Hikaru79> What's the ubuntu equivalent of Knoppix's "netcardconfig" ?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> gui or cli?
[07:38] <blacknyx> Could someone maybe help me mount my 2nd hard drive which is in ext3 format?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> sure
[07:38] <GoneBoB> network-admin
[07:38] <Burgundavia> blacknyx: do you want to mount it just once or at every boot?
[07:38] <blacknyx> every boot
[07:39] <Burgundavia> then you need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:39] <blacknyx> Thats where I'm at right now
[07:39] <blacknyx> I want to mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda
[07:39] <blacknyx> I currently have 1 user
[07:39] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000 0 0
[07:40] <blacknyx> and I get the error, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, or too many mounted filesystems
[07:40] <Burgundavia> are you sure it is at hda1?
[07:40] <mdz> blacknyx: umask is not a valid option for ext3
[07:40] <blacknyx> I believe so.
[07:41] <blacknyx> can I post ever so small commands in here?
[07:41] <mdz> blacknyx: it was not a question, it was a statement of fact
[07:41] <mdz> umask is not a valid option for ext3, and that is the problem
[07:42] <blacknyx> mdz, Im not questioning you at all, I believe you.  I'm just wondering now if I'm trying to mount the right partition also.
[07:42] <blacknyx> Could you tell me how to mount ext3 then?
[07:42] <mdz> delete ",umask=0000" from that line
[07:42] <Burgundavia> try removing the umask and remounting and see if that works
[07:43] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: sudo fdisk -l to see your partitions
[07:43] <blacknyx>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1   *           1       76629    38620984+  83  Linux
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda2           76630       77622      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:43] <blacknyx> /dev/hda5           76630       77622      500440+  82  Linux swap
[07:44] <blacknyx> and its still saying its wrong
[07:45] <blacknyx> Is there a max on how many things I can have mounted?
[07:45] <netdur> hey, do Firefox 0.9.3 have memory problems?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> netdur: firefox sometimes has memory leaks
[07:46] <blacknyx> netdur: thats the word, but I've never had a problem with it.
[07:46] <netdur> I noticed, mozilla browse my "localhost" faster then firefox
[07:46] <Burgundavia> netdur: I left firefox on my Win2k box and it used 100mb of memory
[07:47] <Burgundavia> running that was
[07:47] <thoreauputic> netdur: recent versions do have memory problems, yes
[07:47] <blacknyx> I wish I was good enough with linux to get this working.
[07:48] <netdur> OK, I'm gonna stick with Mozilla 1.7 for a while!!!
[07:48] <Burgundavia> blacknyx: Remove the umask option from your fstab line and try and mount it
[07:48] <Burgundavia> do you know how to mount on the command line?
[07:48] <blacknyx> mount -a  ?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: no that mounts everything ;)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> yes, with /mnt/hda
[07:49] <blacknyx> I did already remove the umask option
[07:49] <Burgundavia> mount -a will reread the fstab file and try and remount all options
[07:50] <blacknyx> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ext3 ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000, 0 0
[07:50] <blacknyx> perhaps I should try a different mounting point?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> no, well it remount?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> will it remount
[07:50] <blacknyx> nope
[07:51] <Burgundavia> try replacing uid=1000,gid=1000 with user
[07:51] <blacknyx> THAT WORKED!!!
[07:53] <blacknyx> Burgundavia:  Thanks!   I can now listen to my music! =D
[07:53] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: your id and user id (uid) might not be 1000 - type id to see
[07:53] <blacknyx> uid=1000(nyx) gid=1000(nyx)
[07:54] <Burgundavia> no prob
[07:54] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: hmm...oh well, whatever works :)
[07:54] <blacknyx> thats whats confusing to me about linux, where's the consistancy?
[07:54] <Burgundavia> what do you mean
[07:55] <blacknyx> Why does uid=1000,gid-1000 work for most people using a particular distro, but not others even though the 1000 is accurate?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: actually it's very consistent - but not always obvious
[07:55] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: perhaps, I'm just very new to linux, and cant get things to work right when its consistant let alone when its inconsistant.  lol
[07:56] <blacknyx> I also found out that I cant sudo gedit /etc/fstab in root, which is common, I have to be normal user.
[07:56] <blacknyx> but that I figured out on accident.
[07:57] <blacknyx> I'm not complaining though, I'm willing to learn, its just confusing still.
[07:57] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: the default id and guid is not set in stone - for instance slackware uses a different method from debian, as does mandrake - so the inconsistency is distro specific, if you like
[07:58] <thoreauputic> ie each distro is internally consistent
[07:58] <blacknyx> thoreauputic, that I totally understand, but why would it be different for ubuntu users?  Do you know what I mean?  Shouldn't all ubuntu users be able to do "user" or "id and guid"?
[07:59] <blacknyx> on the forums, most people got it to work by leaving in the 1000's, but not me.  Thats what I mean.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: hmmm... to be honest, i am using debian (similar to ubuntu but not the same)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> my /etc/fstab looks diffeent, but then I edited it myself
[07:59] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: ah perhaps the person on the forums was the same as you then.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: no
[08:01] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: I haven't used any forums or contributed to such for months - I'm mostly on IRC these days
[08:02] <blacknyx> I meant that maybe that particular person who was helping us was using debian like you are, not that you're the same person.
[08:02] <jasund> On release candidate version of Ubuntu, is there a GUI way of creating a CD from an iso?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: debian users , as far as I know, would not have uid and gid like those in their fstab
[08:03] <Burgundavia> jasund: right-click on the iso i believe
[08:04] <blacknyx> odd.  oh well
[08:05] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: not really odd - one thing about linux is that there are usually several ways of achieving the same thing
[08:05] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: the syntax has to be right in each case, that's all
[08:05] <blacknyx> makes sense
[08:06] <jasund> Burgundavia:  OK, I'll give that a crack.  But as I recall, I think I tried that.  Maybe I have to move the iso into nautilus first.
[08:06] <Burgundavia> jasund: that is right
[08:06] <blacknyx> I just need a list of all possible choices.  lol
[08:06] <blacknyx> Now if I could just figure out why my sources.conf file is blank.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: sources.conf or /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:07] <jasund> Burgundavia:  OK, thanks!!
[08:07] <blacknyx> ah list is what I needed.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: If you're feeling masochistic, take a look at " man fstab" ;)
[08:08] <ATJ> Morning.. Um, when I installed system, I choosed finnish as default language, but there are so many problems with this (for example many programs are in swedish) so how could I change language to english?
[08:09] <thoreauputic> ATJ: are you comfortable on the command line?
[08:10] <blacknyx> thoreauputic: thanks, I'll try reading that to learn more.
[08:10] <ATJ> thoreauputic: Well, I know basics ;) I'm not any guru, but I am able to install gentoo.. ;)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: as a rule of thumb, you have to read documentation at least 3 times to understand it :)
[08:11] <thoreauputic> ATJ: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:12] <blacknyx> lol I believe it.  I've read so much on linux I often go to bed with migraines, but I'm still struggling.
[08:12] <ATJ> thoreauputic: Thanks. :)
[08:13] <izaac> o god i love debian =::..
[08:13] <blacknyx> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:13] <thoreauputic> ATJ: I'm not sure if Ubuntu has this, but another  possibility is /usr/sbin/base-config - to see if it's there type " whereis base-config" (without the quotes of course0
[08:14] <thoreauputic> blacknyx: have you run apt-get update?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> blacknyx: put your cd in the drive next time synaptic starts
[08:14] <ATJ> thoreauputic: It worked. :)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> ATJ: dpkg-raconfigure locales ?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> *reconfigure
[08:15] <thoreauputic> ATJ: great - off you go then :)
[08:16] <blacknyx> Ah you two are wonderful!
[08:19] <deFrysk> might be handyer to disable cdrom in sources.list
[08:21] <attitude> any one in here know anything about courier imap
[08:27] <thoreauputic> attitude: that's a pretty general sort of question. my answer would be no, but if you were more specific someone might be able to help
[08:29] <attitude> well I have got posfix up and processing email. I installed courier imap. I set the MAILDIRPATH=.maildir/ in the /etc/courier/imapd file. the .maildir is where I have postfix saving email. When I try to connect with imap I get error no Maildir in my mail logs
[08:30] <thoreauputic> attitude: /join #postfix
[08:30] <attitude> yeah I would normaly do that but it is not postfix it is courier imap
[08:35] <thoreauputic> attitude: amrit in linuxhelp says there's a #courier
[08:36] <thoreauputic> attitude: just checked - 22 people there atm
[08:37] <attitude> yeah i asked and one guys said I needed to goto debian and they said I needed to come here
[08:38] <thoreauputic> attitude: he - yeah the usual "ubuntu != debian" response I would guess ;)
[08:38] <attitude> yep
[08:39] <thoreauputic> attitude: why am I not surprised ?  ;)
[08:39] <attitude> thoreauputic: Not sure why they are like that
[08:40] <thoreauputic> attitude: terminal insecurity+arrogance+elitism = bad PR
[08:40] <attitude> yep
[08:40] <attitude> ubuntu is pretty damn good
[08:41] <thoreauputic> attitude: to be fair, they don't pan ubuntu as badly as they do knoppix users ;)
[08:42] <attitude> thoreauputic: ubuntu is getting some good press
[08:43] <attitude> They need to wake up
[08:43] <attitude> of course gentoo is getting the same way
[08:43] <thoreauputic> attitude: yes - but then so did yoper when it was new - wait and see what happens
[08:43] <attitude> thoreauputic: true
[08:43] <Burgundavia> yes, but there is an attitude among some debian people that ubuntu is stealing time away from debian
[08:43] <GoneBoB> joeyh is a cracksmoker anyway
[08:44] <GoneBoB> *cough*
[08:44] <joem> ha, I wouldn't go compare ubuntu to yopper
[08:44] <attitude> if anyone should think that is should be userlinux
[08:44] <thoreauputic> joem: I didn't - i'm just referring to the "new is exciting" factor
[08:45] <thoreauputic> joem: the philosophy behind Ubuntu is entirely different (and better IMO)
[08:45] <joem> ubuntu is more of a hey this runs smooth and just works factor, not an its new type deal
[08:46] <jdub> oh hey, come on
[08:46] <jdub> dude
[08:46] <jdub> it totally has 'new car smell'
[08:46] <jdub> :-)
[08:46] <joem> ha
[08:47] <joem> it does get the "isn't that the distro with the naked people" hype
[08:47] <thoreauputic> joem: I think you'll find things will quieten down a little fairly soon - for instance #knoppix used to jump but now it's pretty quiet - and Knoppix is excellent
[08:47] <GoneBoB> haha
[08:49] <sabmoc> is the stock ubuntu kernel patched ?
[08:56] <jdub> sabmoc: yes
[09:00] <Pizbit> Something more than build-essential?
[09:04] <stevedeo> Pizbit: Hmm, perhaps build-essential will do the job.
[09:04] <|progenic|> excuse me, how check that my ubuntu is the stable release
[09:04] <Treenaks> |progenic|: GUI or commandl ine
[09:05] <|progenic|> whatever :) as long as i can know that my ubuntu is the newest
[09:05] <|progenic|> not the release candidate
[09:05] <|progenic|> :D
[09:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: that's the easiest way
[09:05] <|progenic|> heh ? i mean checking my ubuntu version
[09:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: yes, if you upgrade now, you'll have the latest (= stable) version with all security patches
[09:05] <Zindar> progenic: cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:06] <Burgundavia> should say this:
[09:06] <Burgundavia> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[09:06] <Burgundavia> DISTRIB_RELEASE=4.10
[09:06] <Burgundavia> DISTRIB_CODENAME=warty
[09:06] <Burgundavia> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[09:07] <|progenic|> k
[09:07] <|progenic|> thx
[09:07] <|progenic|> :D
[09:08] <Zindar> if you manage to find a ubuntu version that says anything else... you'r pretty cool
[09:08] <Zindar> since none other exists yet :)
[09:08] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: uh.. didn;t the previews say that as well?
[09:08] <Treenaks> |progenic|: just update/upgrade and it'll be the latest version...
[09:09] <Burgundavia> I seem to remember that it will say 4.10rc
[09:09] <Burgundavia> I could be remembering wrong
[09:09] <|progenic|> thx
[09:09] <|progenic|> :)
[09:09] <Treenaks> upgrading is especially important because there have been a few security fixes already
[09:16] <bubulle> just a small hi....I just installed Ubuntu on one of my d-i test machines and.....wow..:-)
[09:17] <elwood> hi all
[09:18] <greebo> hi all
[09:18] <greebo> so, has any played with trying to re-allocate where the .Trash folder sits when mapping drives?
[09:20] <mrjive> ciao elwood
[09:21] <elwood> ciao mrjive
[09:43] <bigbrother0074> anybody think i might have any luck getting a logitech quickcam to work?
[09:44] <Mr_Smiley> anyone have any idea why cd automounting doesn't work?
[09:58] <|progenic|> is this ubuntu has the community that support the ubuntu development ?
[09:58] <|progenic|> like fedora
[09:58] <jdub> yes
[09:59] <|progenic|> ic
[10:01] <bigbrother0074> what would i do to access the utility programs i've just installed for my logitech quickcam.  the last thing it said was setting up qc-usb-utils so i assume it finished everything.  i just can't seem to figure out how to use it
[10:03] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, I don't know the programs you are refering too.
[10:03] <sparkes> do a google and find the developer pages for these tools
[10:03] <sparkes> they should have generic help
[10:03] <bigbrother0074> sparkes: ok, i'll give it a whirl
[10:04] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, if after finding these pages you are still ahving difficulty drop me a line and I will hlep you translate them to newbie ;-)
[10:04] <bigbrother0074> thnx
[10:05] <Mr_Smiley> my cds don't get auto mounted :( what's wrong
[10:08] <smo> bigbrother0074: "lsmod | grep quickcam" .. if you see it in the list, then you should just beable to fire up gnomemeeting and use it  (using V4L as the video device when it asks)
[10:08] <bigbrother0074> sparkes: translate? http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/qc-usb-utils    i don't know if about the libc6 files it talks about, but i can't find the modules pkg...maybe i'm not understanding it
[10:08] <bigbrother0074> Ohmer, ok
[10:09] <smo> ah, I believe you need qc-usb-source to go along with that one
[10:09] <bigbrother0074> Ohmer, ok
[10:09] <bigbrother0074> heh....i say 'oh' it says ohmer
[10:10] <bigbrother0074> smo: got the source pkg....now what?  gnomemeeting?
[10:11] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, the debs will pull in all their requirements
[10:12] <bigbrother0074> sparkes, but how do i use it?
[10:13] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, the only application that package contains is qcset so 'man qcset' to get a rundown on usage (hopefully)
[10:13] <Elwood> ew
[10:13] <smo> the source package has to be built against your own kernel .. /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source/ is going to be the best start for that
[10:14] <smo> (s/your own/the currently running/)
[10:15] <bigbrother0074> "(s/your own/the currently running/)"  ????
[10:15] <Elwood> which pack includes the plugin for mp3 for rythmbox?
[10:15] <Treenaks> Elwood: look for mp3 on the website/wiki
[10:16] <Elwood> Treenaks,  this wiki is full of resources.
[10:16] <Elwood> :)
[10:16] <Treenaks> Elwood: that's the point, isn't it?
[10:18] <deFrysk> get the mad plugin for gstreamer
[10:18] <Elwood> yes i see
[10:18] <Elwood> :)
[10:18] <deFrysk> it provides mp3 support
[10:20] <Elwood> thanks
[10:22] <bigbrother0074> sparkes, translate: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ ---should i just follow the installation advice word for word? i don't have a .gz file with a version number like it says.  only an applications.gz file in each the module and source folders...
[10:23] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, if that's the package you installed using the deb all of this is already done for you
[10:23] <bigbrother0074> Ohmer, alright then
[10:23] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, man qcset
[10:23] <bigbrother0074> ok
[10:24] <bigbrother0074> sparkes, nothing there
[10:24] <sparkes> bigbrother0074, qcset on it's own?
[10:24] <sparkes> or qcset --help
[10:25] <bigbrother0074> ahh.....qcset alone lists configuring arguments or something...
[10:26] <sabdfl> morning all
[10:26] <bigbrother0074> sorry to do this:
[10:26] <bigbrother0074> ubuntu:/usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source# qcset
[10:26] <bigbrother0074> qcset: Logitech QuickCam driver configurator
[10:26] <bigbrother0074> Valid arguments:
[10:26] <bigbrother0074>         -h      Display this help
[10:26] <bigbrother0074>         -i      Display camera information
[10:26] <bigbrother0074>         -r      Display all known registers of camera
[10:26] <bigbrother0074>         -a      Display all (including empty) registers of camera
[10:26] <bigbrother0074>         -b val  Set camera brightness
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         -c val  Set camera contrast
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> Also module parameters are accepted, e.g. "debug=15"
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> The module parameters can be also queried, e.g. "debug?"
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> The parameters can be also given as a symbolic list, e.g. "debug=logic,user"
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> The device file name (default /dev/video) can be inserted before the arguments.
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> Possible module parameters and symbolic flags:
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         debug: user,camera,init,logic,errors,adaptation,controlurbs,bitstream,interrupts,mutex,common,all
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         keepsettings: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         settle: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         subsample: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         compress: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         frameskip
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         quality: fastest,good,horizontal,best
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         adaptive: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         equalize: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         retryerrors: y,n
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         compatible: 16x,dblbuf,torgb
[10:27] <bigbrother0074>         video_nr
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> what's it mean?
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> well, what does it mean i can do w/ it?
[10:27] <bigbrother0074> the -a argument didn't work..."can not open..."
[10:27] <HcE> ls -al /dev/video ?
[10:28] <HcE> do you have the device?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: boy, aren't you lucky this channel doesn't kick for floods?
[10:28] <HcE> I've gotten a logi 4000 pro cam working good with Linux 2.6.x
[10:28] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic, yes i am lucky
[10:28] <bigbrother0074> HcE, no such file or directory
[10:29] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: just don't try it anywhwere else :)
[10:29] <HcE> bigbrother0074: do you have /dev/video{1,2,3,4,5..} ?
[10:29] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic, i didn't know it was gonna work like that....i just copy/pasted... heh ;)
[10:30] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: as a general rule, you paste in #flood or on a URL
[10:30] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: just a question of etiquette
[10:30] <bigbrother0074> oh...can i link to #flood or something?  how does that work?
[10:30] <bigbrother0074> yea...i'm a big newb
[10:31] <bigbrother0074> HcE, i don't have any kind of video directory in /dev/
[10:32] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: tell the perso helping you you will join #flood, then do your paste in that channel
[10:32] <deFrysk>  /j #fllod
[10:32] <deFrysk> flood*
[10:32] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic, ah, gotcha.  thanks!
[10:32] <HcE> bigbrother0074: you need to load appropiate drivers for the logi-cam before it works...
[10:32] <bigbrother0074> HcE, i thought i did
[10:33] <HcE> I used PWCX
[10:33] <HcE> IIRC
[10:33] <bigbrother0074> HcE: how?  apt-get install pwcx?
[10:33] <HcE> I had to compile my kernel with a binary-file driver to get the logi 4000 pro to work good
[10:34] <HcE> Don't think pwcx is avaiable with apt-get
[10:34] <bigbrother0074> and that's mostly over my head...i understand you, but i don't understand remotely how to do any of that
[10:34] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: read this (about using apt from command line) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[10:35] <HcE> bigbrother0074: have you cheched if your camera is compatible with Linux in gerenal?
[10:35] <__daniel> hai
[10:35] <Elwood> Safari_Al, ahlan ua sahlan
[10:37] <Safari_Al> Elwood, ?
[10:37] <bigbrother0074> HcE: not really, but at sourceforge there were things to get to use the cam on linux so i assumed that it was possible and whatnot
[10:39] <HcE> what model do you have?
[10:40] <bigbrother0074> HcE: v-ub2 i believe
[10:42] <HcE> I don't know the v-ub2 in detail
[10:42] <bigbrother0074> its an older one i believe
[10:42] <HcE> google for pwcx and or a logitech supported driver site
[10:43] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to extract tar.gz files ?
[10:44] <skyrider> hello everybody
[10:44] <__daniel> |progenic|, tar xfz bla.tar.gz
[10:45] <deFrysk> man tar
[10:45] <__daniel> |progenic|, x for extract, f for force, z for gz-stuff
[10:45] <skyrider> I'd like to organize mailing list for Russian speaking community
[10:45] <__daniel> |progenic|, but you could use file-roller on it too
[10:45] <skyrider> What should I do?
[10:45] <|progenic|> ic
[10:46] <|progenic|> error, it states that bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file
[10:47] <__daniel> ok, then you have a   bla.tar.bz2  file
[10:48] <__daniel> here you must use   j  (for bzip2 stuff)  instead of  z, but as i suggested use the gui (file-roller) on it or as deFrysk said: man tar
[10:48] <|progenic|> ic
[10:48] <|progenic|> ok
[10:48] <|progenic|> thx
[10:48] <|progenic|> :)
[10:50] <deebee> How come Ubuntu can't play .MP3 files?
[10:50] <madko> mp3 is not free?
[10:50] <deebee> Even .mpg ???
[10:50] <deebee> :-(
[10:51] <madko> install xmms via synaptic
[10:51] <__daniel> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:51] <gilles> hi
[10:51] <madko> is it normal that mplayer-custom doesn't work on my cpu?
[10:51] <deebee> My Ubuntu pc isn't online.
[10:52] <gilles> i've got problems accessing files on my vfat partitions
[10:52] <skyrider> Can anybody tell me who shold I ask to create a mail list?
[10:52] <gilles> i can see files but can't acess one
[10:52] <madko> t'as matter les permissions gilles?
[10:53] <__daniel> gilles, what did you put in /etc/fstab for it?
[10:53] <gilles> /dev/sda9       /Documents      vfat    defaults        0       0
[10:53] <Acridien> hello
[10:53] <skyrider> gilles: if you want to access files on your vfat partition from user user account you should add options uid and gid to mount options
[10:53] <__daniel> gilles, this is what i have: /dev/hda5               /public                 vfat    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000               0       0
[10:54] <skyrider> man mount
[10:54] <__daniel> gilles, and do    mount /dev/sda9 -o remount     afterwards
[10:54] <gilles> how to modify fstab without root account ?
[10:54] <madko> sudo -s ?
[10:55] <madko> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[10:55] <__daniel> madko, don't scare people with vi ;-)
[10:55] <deFrysk> or use nano if you prefer that
[10:55] <madko> vi rox ;)
[10:55] <deFrysk> nano is a bit easyer
[10:55] <__daniel> gilles, gedit is ok too ;-)
[10:56] <skyrider> vim rox, plain vim sux :)
[10:56] <skyrider> vim rox, plain vi sux :)
[10:56] <gilles> ok i'm back in two minutes
[10:56] <deFrysk> emacs /etc/fstab
[10:56] <deFrysk> ;p
[10:56] <madko> hey is it normal that my mplayer says illegal instruction?
[10:56] <__daniel> oowriter /etc/fstab
[10:56] <deFrysk> lol
[10:57] <__daniel> madko, can you choose some more verbose output?
[10:57] <stvn> wine msword.exe /etc/fstab
[10:57] <madko> yep i will try __daniel
[10:57] <deFrysk> hehe
[10:58] <madko> how can i have a more verbose output?
[10:58] <__daniel> madko, dunno
[10:59] <stvn> madko: my mplayer also gave an illegal output, I decided to download the source and build it my self
[10:59] <madko> i just run mplayer and it says that it has been compiled with sse2 support but my cpu is not sse2 compliant...
[11:00] <stvn> madko: but using the debian package should work, since I upgraded several machines with mplayer from debian - sarge to ubuntu and mplayer kept working
[11:00] <Android16> hello
[11:00] <Android16> who can reset my password ?
[11:00] <__daniel> passwd
[11:01] <StarScream> Android16: hopefully none of us...
[11:01] <StarScream> :)
[11:02] <Android16> lol
[11:02] <Android16> my nickserv password
[11:02] <Elwood> Android16,  you can
[11:02] <Elwood> Android16,  /ns help
[11:03] <Android16> forgot my password , now I cant identify myself
[11:04] <Elwood> Android16,  /ns help
[11:05] <netdur> in order to mount ext3 in Ubuntu, do it need special flags? or "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdx /mnt/hdx" is enough
[11:05] <mjr> should be enough
[11:05] <mjr> assuming, of course, that the mount point exists
[11:05] <cef> netdur: long as /mnt/hdx exists, then yes
[11:06] <cef> mjr: snap!
[11:06] <skyrider> Android16, reboot, when grub (boot loader) starts select ubuntu linux menu entry, press 'e' key (Edit) and append 'init=/bin/bash' (without quotes) to your kernel entry.
[11:06] <mjr> crackle
[11:06] <skyrider> your ubuntu should login into root account automatically
[11:06] <skyrider> after this you can change your password with passwd
[11:07] <cef> skyrider: that won't help him with his nickserv password
[11:07] <netdur> good, I just made a shell script for Ubuntu, it detect partitions and mount it
[11:07] <Android16> thanks skyrider
[11:07] <skyrider> ohh, I'm stupid :)
[11:07] <gilles> __daniel, i tried what you say but no success
[11:07] <Android16> no prob
[11:08] <netdur> I going to post it in mailing list...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Android16: /who *.staff.freenode  then /msg a staffer about your password problem
[11:11] <cef> netdur: consider looking at pmount instead of mount then
[11:11] <Android16> thanks thor
[11:11] <cef> netdur: pmount/pumount is really aimed at allowing users to do all their own mounting
[11:12] <__daniel> gilles, umount /dev/sda9
[11:12] <cef> netdur: for your use, it might be worth the look.. 'man pmount'
[11:12] <__daniel> gilles, and then mount it again
[11:15] <gilles> "mount: /Documents not mounted already, or bad option"
[11:16] <__daniel> gilles, then mount it
[11:16] <__daniel> gilles, "mount" with no options gives you a list of the mounted partitions
[11:17] <netdur> cef: thank you :)
[11:17] <gilles> ok got it
[11:18] <cef> netdur: welcome
[11:19] <gilles> rhythmbox can't handle mp3 ?
[11:21] <Elwood> gilles,  yes
[11:21] <seb128> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:21] <Elwood> gilles,  just install gstreamer mad
[11:21] <seb128> it's in universe
[11:22] <gilles> i'm dont't sure i got that source
[11:23] <stvn> gilles: it's in the list, you just need to switch it on
[11:26] <gilles> ok and for playing divx what to add ?
[11:26] <__daniel> gilles: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:26] <stvn> gilles: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:26] <__daniel> hehe :)
[11:26] <stvn> :)
[11:26] <stvn> indeed
[11:27] <gilles> ok i know but for now
[11:27] <stvn> was thinking that we needed a bot-like feature just to produce the standard wiki urls
[11:27] <__daniel> or install some hotkeys for it :-)
[11:27] <stvn> heh
[11:34] <littlepaul> does someone know where i can find the 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic source and headers? I searched also under multiverse
[11:35] <__daniel> littlepaul, apt-get source <packagename> didnt work?
[11:35] <littlepaul> no
[11:39] <pbaldanta> Hi. I installed ubuntu yesterday. It find all my hardware. Incredible.
[11:39] <pbaldanta> Creative Muvo TX mp3-player too.
[11:40] <gilles> rhythmbox is crashing too often
[11:40] <pbaldanta> i installed xmms
[11:41] <pbaldanta> and streamtuner for radio
[11:42] <stvn> gilles: use beep-media-player
[11:42] <gilles> can't install muine instead ?
[11:43] <gilles> i don't see it in universe
[11:43] <joem> you can install muine
[11:43] <stvn> gilles: of course you can, noone is going to stop you ;)
[11:43] <joem> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[11:43] <ganja_guru> hi guys....ubuntu on my laptop is now two days old...where are the startup scripts i need to edit to disable things like hotplug and the internet clock sync thing
[11:43] <joem> read the section on the mono repo
[11:43] <jind> I am used to kde, but uses gnome since it it dafault in ubuntu but I have one question: How to I add programs to the start menu?
[11:44] <joem> jind, right click, add launcher
[11:44] <Mr_Smiley> my cds don't get auto mounted :( does anyone know what's wrong
[11:44] <ganja_guru> hey jind...navigate to applications in nautilus....and then right click and add launcher
[11:44] <joem> er, right click -> entire menu -> add item
[11:45] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: you do not want to disable hotplug
[11:46] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: unless you want to load all modules manually, and don't forget to add them to /etc/modules, but hotplugging USB stuff will break badly
[11:46] <ganja_guru> why not trrenaks?
[11:46] <ganja_guru> sorry...treenaks..
[11:46] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: nevermind :)
[11:46] <ganja_guru> ok...what abt disabling other startup stuff
[11:47] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: start by looking at the manual page for 'update-rc.d'
[11:47] <ganja_guru> cups for example...no printer at the moment
[11:47] <Treenaks> (type 'man update-rc.d' on the command line)
[11:47] <ganja_guru> ok...looking at it now
[11:48] <gruberman> I really like the
[11:48] <gruberman> show desktop button
[11:49] <ganja_guru> hey treenaks...read the document....now how do i go abt it...sorry...new to deb
[11:50] <topyli> grrr. my home box is down. i'm afraid the house is on fire or something :(
[11:51] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: well, the easiest is to look up the name of the script (using grep, in /etc/init.d) and then update-rc.d nameofthescript remove
[11:51] <ganja_guru> oh ok....and what if i want it back?
[11:52] <ganja_guru> so to remove cups i would do 'update-rc.d rc.cups remove?'
[11:52] <HcE> ganja_guru: update-rc.d cups remove IIRC
[11:52] <HcE> maybe you need a update-rc.d -f cups remove (force)
[11:52] <polok> bbl
[11:53] <ganja_guru> oh ok....and what if i want cups back hce?
[11:54] <HcE> apt-get install --reinstall? ;)
[11:55] <ganja_guru> no wait....i thought update-rc.d just uncomments the scripts....or does it uninstall the whole thing??
[11:55] <Pluk> ganja ur right
[11:55] <HcE> it removes from rc.d{1...6}
[11:55] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: it just removes the init scripts from the boot process
[11:55] <housetier> update-rc.d removes the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/
[11:55] <__daniel> ganja_guru, it removes the symlinks from rc.d to /etc/init.d
[11:55] <Pluk> lol
[11:56] <ganja_guru> oh ok...thanx....so finally...all i do to remove cups is 'update-rc.d cups remove'
[11:56] <ganja_guru> right?
[11:56] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: that ONLY removes it from the startup procedure
[11:57] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: you can remove all of cups with synaptic
[11:57] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: (the package manager, look in the menu)
[11:58] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: but you don't want that, most likely
[11:58] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: and you don't need to remove it from startup either -- it doesn't hurt to have it running
[11:58] <ganja_guru> yeah...got that....thanx a lot...slackware had /etc/rc.d editing to do...this is my first deb distro...oh and can someone tell me the name of the script that updates the time to ubuntu server?
[11:58] <Treenaks> ganja_guru: grep for the text...
[11:58] <__daniel> ganja_guru: ntpdate
[11:59] <ganja_guru> thanx !!
[11:59] <ganja_guru> ok...time to install ubuntu on my main desktop...; ) thanks everyone
[12:01] <Mr_Smiley> no-one knows why my cd's don't automount? :(
[12:01] <ganja_guru> oops one more...is there anyway to enable true root access?
[12:01] <Mr_Smiley> sudo passwd root
[12:02] <ganja_guru> after doing that can i login as a root and stop being annoyed all the time?
[12:02] <Mr_Smiley> sure
[12:02] <ganja_guru> shit man...thanx!
[12:02] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[12:13] <SavuZiil> hi, theres a weird error (error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3) when installing java, can anyone comment on this, im kinda new to linux
[12:14] <housetier> so how did you "install" java?
[12:14] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: how did you install Java? did you follow the HOWTO on the wiki?
[12:14] <SavuZiil> i followed the instructions on java page
[12:14] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: which page exactly?
[12:14] <SavuZiil> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/install-linux.html#self-extracting
[12:14] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: the sun page or the ubuntu page or another page?
[12:15] <SavuZiil> wheres the ubuntu page
[12:18] <SavuZiil> what is this wiki that everybody talks about, cant really find it anywhere
[12:18] <darksatanic> SavuZiil: It's in the /topic of this channel.
[12:18] <SavuZiil> didnt see it (damn text colors)
[12:19] <housetier> colors?
[12:19] <SavuZiil> background color didnt let me see the text on the topic
[12:20] <housetier> but its +c...
[12:21] <SavuZiil> i had to make the topic active to see the text
[12:22] <SavuZiil> but could anyone give me the link to the page on wiki where it shows you how to install java
[12:24] <Pluk> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198&highlight=java
[12:24] <Pluk> heres a whole thread about java
[12:24] <Android16> How to select packages in aptitude ?
[12:24] <Pizbit> Android16: Try using synaptic:)
[12:25] <Android16> working on remote server using ssh
[12:25] <Pluk> try apt-cache search *package*
[12:25] <Pluk> and then apt-get install *package*
[12:26] <Pizbit> Yeah, might be easiest using apt-get instead of aptitudes convulted interface
[12:26] <Android16> Pluk: Thanks
[12:26] <Pluk> yw
[12:26] <Android16> Thanks Pizbit
[12:31] <Android16> so to uninstall would be apt-get remove *package*
[12:32] <Pluk> yes
[12:32] <malte> yes
[12:32] <Android16> tnks
[12:32] <malte> you can add --purge to remove config files as well iirc
[12:32] <Pluk> apt-get remove --purge also removes configfiles etc it created
[12:32] <malte> :)
[12:32] <Pluk> lol
[12:32] <Pluk> great minds and stuff :P
[12:32] <malte> indeed :)
[12:35] <housetier> in aptitude one would press "_"
[12:37] <madko> is there a xorg package for ubuntu?
[12:37] <Mr_Smiley> madko, not yet afaik
[12:40] <|progenic|> what is the better point x.org from xf86 ?
[12:41] <daniels> |progenic|: do you mean, why is x.org better?
[12:41] <daniels> madko: not yet
[12:42] <deebee> Where can I download Ubuntu packages?
[12:42] <|progenic|> yup
[12:42] <pisuke> |progenic|, momentum, x.org develops at faster pace
[12:43] <|progenic|> ic
[12:43] <daniels> |progenic|: there are very few developers (about two) left on XFree86, while all the vendors and developers are working on X.Org
[12:46] <madko> i love transparency on xorg even if it's totaly useless
[12:47] <mjr> I'm more interested in window scaling and such
[12:48] <madko> is there somethink like dmx with xfree?
[12:50] <jind> Where is the kernel source installed?
[12:50] <jind> I installed using synaptic
[12:50] <jind> And it wasn't installed in /usr/src/linux
[12:53] <TongMaster> Is it recommended to run the *-686 kernel over the defaul *.386 kernel? Anyone tried it?
[12:58] <daniels> TongMaster: yeah, it'll be just fine
[12:58] <jind> What is the location of the C header files in ubuntu?
[01:00] <TongMaster> ta, daniels :)
[01:10] <Pyguy> Hello
[01:12] <Pyguy> Ah... does anyone else get green links, that got to blue, and stay blue on hover, in Ubuntu?
[01:12] <Treenaks> Pyguy: which browser, which site? (it must be a browser thing..)
[01:13] <Pizbit> Hrm, how does one ago about speeding up coying onto a USB storage device? It takes 2-3 times longer on ubuntu than a windows machine
[01:14] <Pyguy> Treenaks, in any program that links. BTW I'm using the system under VMWare
[01:14] <Pyguy> *that has links
[01:17] <steven_> pyguy: did you install vmware-tools ?
[01:23] <Pyguy> steven_, nope
[01:25] <steven_> pyguy: try installing it maybe it solves your issues
[01:26] <Pyguy> Yep
[01:28] <jesper> Any Danes around?
[01:31] <jono> yo
[01:31] <LinuxJones> hi jono :)
[01:32] <jono> heya LinuxJones :)
[01:34] <Ng> hey jono
[01:34] <Ng> jono: could you relocate your LUG here? ;)
[01:35] <jono> Ng, hehe :)
[01:36] <jono> Ng, did you enjoy LUGRadio ?
[01:36] <Ng> jono: the brighton one sucks and I want to be on lugradio ;)
[01:36] <Ng> jono: yes
[01:36] <Ng> although I was almost shouting back at some of the nonsense ;)
[01:36] <jono> Ng, we can probably get you on the show as we can record phone calls for the show
[01:36] <jono> hehe
[01:37] <Ng> jono: I was listening back to some of last series. I was pissing myself laughing at the windows tapemonkeys rants ;)
[01:38] <Ng> jono: I was also gonna ask you if any of the linuxy mags are looking for people atm, I miss the freelance dorrah ;)
[01:39] <LinuxJones> Ng, what do they pay a few hundred bucks for an article ?
[01:40] <Ng> LinuxJones: I used to do a 2page tutorial each month, I got about 300 quid a go
[01:40] <Ng> so yeah, a few hundred bucks :)
[01:40] <LinuxJones> Ng, I don't know how much a quid is heh
[01:40] <LinuxJones> ok
[01:40] <Mitario_> hi all
[01:41] <Mitario_> should hotplug recognize the ide-floppy module and load it?
[01:41] <Treenaks> GBK1 =~ EUR 1.5 =~ USD 1.8 I guess
[01:41] <Treenaks> GBP
[01:41] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, ok thanks
[01:41] <Ng> LinuxJones: what Treenaks said. 1 quid == 1 GBP.
[01:41] <LinuxJones> Ng, Canadian dollar is .81 USD
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Ng, I will figure it out
[01:42] <Ng> hehe
[01:42] <Acridien> Have you ever seen it :  http://smashmethod.mg2.org/images/full/02threed/004_maybe_it%27s_over_to_the_left.jpg
[01:43] <Ng> hehe
[01:43] <Ng> Acridien: they kinda look likethe pixar birds in For The Birds
[01:44] <Acridien> Ng: don't know that movie but I love this tux
[01:44] <Acridien> Ng: I just asked the author to create a linux logo
[01:44] <Acridien> lol
[01:45] <Ng> Acridien: it was a short animation at the start of Monsters, Inc. with a load of blue birds sitting on a telegraph wire. *really* funny :)
[01:45] <Mitario_> hmm, this is odd, the floppy drive is connected, the ide-floppy module is loaded, but I don't get /dev/fd0
[01:45] <Ng> Acridien: http://www.pixar.com/shorts/ftb/index.html
[01:45] <mjr> Mitario_, you probably don't have an _ide_ floppy
[01:45] <Acridien> Ng: do you ...tx
[01:46] <Acridien> Ng: :-)
[01:46] <mjr> load the floppy module
[01:46] <Mitario_> ah :) doh
[01:46] <Ng> hmm
[01:47] <Ng> does the ubuntu installer set up a floppy mount point? I say this looking at my fstab and not seeing one
[01:47] <Mitario_> mjr thank you very much
[01:47] <Treenaks> it should, if it detects that your ssystem have floppy drive
[01:47] <LinuxJones> Ng, no
[01:47] <LinuxJones> Ng, I don't have one either
[01:47] <Ng> oh wait, it's /media/floppy0
[01:47] <Ng> wtf is that?
[01:48] <Treenaks> that's LSB, I think
[01:48] <Ng> :/
[01:48] <joem> anybody know of a good lightweight web frontend for any sort of streaming audio server
[01:50] <sven_> hey guys, i noticed the possibility in ubuntu to shutdown the system in gnome as a user. anyone knows how to make this possible in a debian testing system?
[01:51] <jono> Ng, what is your name?
[01:51] <Acridien> Ng: nice animation
[01:51] <joem> sven, the user would need permissions to run /sbin/reboot and /sbin/halt
[01:52] <Ng> jono: Chris Jones
[01:54] <jono> ahhh cool
[01:54] <jind> Where is the 2.6.8.1 kernel headers installed=
[01:54] <jind> ?
[01:54] <jind> I have just installed it, but don't know where!
[01:54] <HcE> jind: /usr/src IIRC
[01:54] <spiv> jind: dpkg -L packagename will show you what files a package installed.
[01:55] <Ng> jono: yeah, it's been a while. the pain of dealing with the publishers has faded such that I only remember the enjoying writing things bit ;)
[01:56] <jind> Thanks :)
[01:56] <[LinSpider] > my install alway's hangs at 10%, when its fetching GNUPG, is this a common problem? or is it a bad burn ?
[01:57] <__daniel> [LinSpider] , sounds like a bad burn or something :-/
[01:58] <sven_> joem:thats all?
[01:59] <jono> Ng, its tougher now
[01:59] <jono> Ng, there is so much competition for articles now, I think everyone wants to be a writer
[01:59] <joem> sven, assuming gnome-session hasn't been patched in anyway to change the values of shutdown and reboot, yes
[01:59] <Ng> jono: great ;)
[01:59] <Ng> jono: maybe I won't try and get back in the trough then ;)
[02:00] <Android16> does sendmail have a debian package ?
[02:00] <__daniel> Android16, apt-cache search sendmail :-)
[02:01] <sven_> :-( the rights are okay ...
[02:01] <[LinSpider] > Thanks __daniel, i'll try to burn at a lower speed
[02:01] <sven_> on kde it works, but not gnome :(
[02:01] <__daniel> [LinSpider] , we keep our fingers crossed :-)
[02:02] <Ng> jono: but I wouldn't object to a quick appearance on the radio ;)
[02:07] <phosphorgreen> hello everyone - the io when writing to cds or ripping cds slows the whole computer down to the likes of a PII (i have an Athlon 64) - I noticed that dma mode is off for my cdrom drive - it says operation not permitted when trying to set it, any ideas anyone?
[02:10] <amin2> I have another partition for my data and mounted on /mydata. I want to access this data in a little icon on desktop. Anybody know how to do this ?
[02:10] <jacob> Does the packages in warty-universe _never_ get updpated ?
[02:14] <amin2> I have another partition for my data and mounted on /mydata. I want to access this data in a little icon on desktop. Anybody know how to do this ?
[02:15] <linux_galore> phosphorgreen: run hdparm also man hdparm  yes you can use hdparm to sed your cdrom settings
[02:15] <linux_galore> set*
[02:17] <linux_galore> bet he also has PCI on that AMD64 for South Bridge so his IO is totally clogged when he uses his super fast CD burner
[02:17] <linux_galore> should have got PCIe
[02:17] <plovs_work> lulu, hi, how do i remove the links i accidently made in the /wiki/ navigationbar?
[02:18] <Ng> linux_galore: PCIe isn't really affordable for desktops just yet ;)
[02:18] <linux_galore> Ng: I know but with people buying SATA and these new super fast DVD burners there strangling there IO
[02:19] <|progenic|> excuse me, is there somehow i can sync my file and my stuff from linux to my PocketPC ?
[02:20] <Ng> linux_galore: fair enough. I just went amd64 and sata, but my dvd burner is slow and lives in a i386 box ;)
[02:21] <linux_galore> Ng: SATA is a wast of time your trying to push through 166mb/s on a bus thats "shared" at 133mb/s  let me guess your not going to always have a fast SATA hardisk
[02:21] <DJ_Stefan0> does Ubuntu have "rpm" in it? and Will i be able to use this driver on ubuntu or does ubuntu have its own port of the driver? http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=8&submit.y=9
[02:21] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: Ubuntu comes with the ATI driver
[02:21] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:21] <DJ_Stefan0> Treenaks: No, not with the updated 1 , i have an ATI Radeon X800 Pro
[02:22] <eruin> lol, they only supply RPM?
[02:22] <Ng> linux_galore: I only stuck one SATA disk in because my SCSI disks were really sucking. one day I'll spend the money on some PCIe 15krpm scsi kit ;)
[02:23] <DJ_Stefan0> eruin: sadly yes, I like nvidia better, but i chose to go ATI because theyre a lot cheaper for the amount of performance
[02:23] <linux_galore> Ng: Im just going to wait for a decent priced Mobo with PCIe then I will go the SATA path
[02:23] <Ng> bah IDE, bah ;)
[02:23] <eruin> DJ_Stefan0: atleast nvidia works just as fine on xorg as on xfree ;P
[02:24] <Treenaks> linux_galore: then you only have to hope the SATA controller is on PCIe and not "regular" PCI
[02:24] <eruin> but supplying rpm only is a bit retarded... even if I'm running fedora myself
[02:24] <eruin> let's spam them :)
[02:24] <linux_galore> Treenaks: yeah i can see that being the next great headache for the Linux community redoing all the PCI drivers for PCIe
[02:25] <DJ_Stefan0> eruin: I was refering to performance under Windows and Gaming. Overall ATI has shit drivers even when they are available... ATI cards are dodgy, and under my opinion are only god as cheap high performance gaming cards
[02:25] <linux_galore> wonder if alien works on Ubuntu
[02:25] <DJ_Stefan0> good*
[02:25] <jdub> linux_galore: it's shipped with the desktop
[02:25] <linux_galore> you can always rip the rpm open and convert it to a .deb
[02:25] <DJ_Stefan0> to get the same performance with an Nvidia card u need more money
[02:25] <eruin> DJ_Stefan0: yeah, found that out the hard way, too. So I stomped my ati and got myself an fx5900 ;)
[02:26] <linux_galore> jdub: yeah but your driver is not for the new X800
[02:26] <jdub> linux_galore: alien
[02:26] <amin2> help.. anybody knows where is the recycle bin in the tree ?
[02:26] <DJ_Stefan0> eruin very nice.. but do u realise that ur card only beats mine by 15-20% in gaming performance and here in Australia costs $500 more then mine
[02:26] <DJ_Stefan0> lol
[02:27] <__daniel> amin2, use the trash applet, it rocks
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> thats why i decided to get the ATI card...
[02:27] <eruin> DJ_Stefan0: australia must be a horrible place to live ;P
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> oh wait actualy...
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> 5900!
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> sorry
[02:27] <amin2> _daniel, where is the trash applet
[02:27] <eruin> :P
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> i thought u said 6800 Ultra
[02:27] <eruin> haha
[02:27] <stvn> heh
[02:27] <eruin> nah, I never buy the topshelf cards
[02:27] <linux_galore> Im on a nice easy FX5200
[02:27] <DJ_Stefan0> 5900 gets beaten by a 9600XT thats way cheaper
[02:27] <eruin> not worth it ;P
[02:28] <eruin> DJ_Stefan0: in doom3? :D
[02:28] <DJ_Stefan0> in benchmarks
[02:28] <stvn> DJ_Stefan0: if ati only provides real good(TM) drivers for linux ;)
[02:28] <DJ_Stefan0> well at least i can claim for sure that a 9800 pro beats ur card
[02:28] <eruin> windows benchmarks are quite useless to me, though, since I do everything in linux :/
[02:28] <DJ_Stefan0> heh thats nice... i wish all games were ported to linux..
[02:28] <eruin> not to mention xorg/transparency/dropshadows are unavailable with ati :P
[02:28] <DJ_Stefan0> this world would be a better place
[02:28] <Mr_Smiley> DJ_Stefan0, nvidia
[02:28] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[02:29] <eruin> DJ_Stefan0: yeah... cedega is getting better though
[02:29] <linux_galore> hmmmm transparencies
[02:29] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i play all my games under linux
[02:29] <eruin> I have a problem with kswapd in kernel 2.6.9+ and cedegas memory handling though
[02:29] <eruin> :/
[02:29] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[02:29] <eruin> ie kswapd refuses to take a fkin chillpill ;)
[02:30] <Mr_Smiley> don't use 2.6.9?
[02:30] <amin2> help, I can't empty the trash can.
[02:30] <eruin> Mr_Smiley: I'm running -devel :P
[02:30] <stvn> amin2: why not?
[02:30] <Mr_Smiley> eruin, :)
[02:31] <linux_galore> Only thing I dont like about the Ubuntu install is Im stuck with Ext3 or Reiserfs4 and I dont like either
[02:32] <eruin> linux_galore: I'm under the impression ext3 is about the best you can do on a standard desktop system?
[02:32] <linux_galore> eruin: nope XFS
[02:32] <|progenic|> excuse me, is there somehow i can sync my file and my stuff from linux to my PocketPC ?
[02:32] <amin2> right click on trash can and select Empty Trash will do nothing. So I open the Trash Folder and delete one by one it says: Error while deleting .. cannot be deleted because you donot have permissions to modify its parent folder
[02:33] <Kamion> you can use XFS from the Ubuntu installer. you just can't use it for /boot.
[02:33] <Kamion> likewise JFS
[02:33] <Mr_Smiley> what's so special about xfs?
[02:33] <eruin> can someone on 7200rpm s-ata drives run hdparm -tT and message the results to me?
[02:33] <DJ_Stefan0> eruin: if i didnt have a 64bit machine i would choose REISERFS
[02:33] <eruin> also if you've got ata100 7200rpm drives
[02:33] <linux_galore> |progenic|: tried poking around freshmeat.net  Ive seen programs for syncing different PDA types
[02:33] <amin2> stvn, right click on trash can and select Empty Trash will do nothing. So I open the Trash Folder and delete one by one it says: Error while deleting .. cannot be deleted because you donot have permissions to modify its parent folder
[02:34] <linux_galore> Mr_Smiley: 1 its very mature  2. its damn fast  3. we live in a multi media world now
[02:34] <stvn> amin2: ah a permissions problem, moment
[02:34] <GotD0t> |progenic| well supposedly SynCE is supposed to accomplish that... But I cannot get it to recognize my Axim x30
[02:34] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, i've read that you can corrupt it if you don't shutdown properly?
[02:35] <stvn> amin2: if you are really sure you want to delete everything from trash do in a terminal: cd .Trash
[02:35] <linux_galore> Mr_Smiley: no Ive had this system up now for two years at least half a dozen brown out and kernel panics and I havent lost a file yet
[02:35] <stvn> amin2: sudo rm -r *
[02:35] <|progenic|> ic
[02:35] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, hmm maybe i should try xfs out :)
[02:35] <|progenic|> ok thx
[02:36] <stvn> amin2: but be sure that you are in ~/.Trash when you do so
[02:36] <amin2> ls
[02:36] <stvn> amin2: it's a bit of a dirty/unsafe way to do it
[02:36] <linux_galore> Mr_Smiley: Ive got a mail server at work running exim on raid5 with xfs never had a problem and thats not on a UPS either (the ups blew up and the company is on a tight IT budget)
[02:36] <amin2> stvn, thanks it's work....
[02:36] <Mr_Smiley> nice
[02:38] <linux_galore> actually my biggest problem right now isnt Linux in any manner its unreliable hardware..yep I payed for good brand parts and Im still getting problems
[02:38] <amin2> stvn, is there anyway to make a little icon in desktop to point to another partition?
[02:38] <stvn> amin2: if it is mounted, it should appear on the desktop
[02:39] <amin2> it's mounted but no icon
[02:39] <linux_galore> its funny the batch of cheap assed machines I baught four years ago are still working fine I though I would buy some decent machines last year.......pffft damn thing are failing after 14 months
[02:39] <maxxis> Novato, alguien  puede ayudar a instalar unrar?
[02:40] <stvn> amin2: hm, go to application>>system tools>>configuration editor
[02:40] <stvn> amin2: and check in apps/nautilus/desktop if the volumes_visible is switched on
[02:41] <maxxis> alguien m puede ayudar con unrar?
[02:41] <linux_galore> actually there is a open source version of unrar  called  norar
[02:41] <maxxis> I can't install unrar....
[02:41] <linux_galore> funny thing is norar is faster than unrar
[02:42] <stvn> maxxis: add multiverse to the sourceslist
[02:42] <maxxis> sourceforge.net?
[02:42] <stvn> maxxis: nope the /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <amin2> stvn, yes it is checked
[02:42] <lulu> plovs_work: wiki: go in and edit the page again and delete the links you added.
[02:42] <maxxis> ok thanks
[02:42] <jono> will lilo or grub work on ppc?
[02:42] <stvn> amin2: how did you mount the partition?
[02:43] <stvn> maxxis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[02:43] <linux_galore> maxxis: I found norar on the Penguin Liberation ftp server so thats useless to you they only have rpm's your going to have to google for it
[02:44] <amin2> stvn, I put in the /etc/fstab  like this: /dev/hda3  /data  reiserfs default 0 1
[02:44] <stvn> amin2: default or defaults ?
[02:45] <maxxis> linux_galore:thanks ;)
[02:45] <linux_galore> hold on let me login to my manhate machine and see if I can find the author for norar
[02:45] <maxxis> good bye
[02:45] <amin2> stvn, sorry, it's defaults. well, i can see my files if i open home and then type /data
[02:46] <stvn> amin2: try to open computer>>disks>>data
[02:46] <amin2> stvn, there isn't any data icon
[02:47] <stvn> amin2: that's odd, if it's in /etc/fstab it should also appear in disks
[02:47] <amin2> stvn, should i do it manually ?
[02:47] <stvn> amin2: try sudo chown -R <username>:<username> /data
[02:47] <stvn> amin2: no it does it automagically
[02:50] <stvn> hm
[02:51] <mwh_> argh epiphany cant download anything now sigh
[02:51] <jacob> Is there a way to verify all of the installed package files md5sums=
[02:51] <jacob> ?
[02:53] <jono> where is the grub config file?
[02:53] <madko> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:53] <jono> :)
[02:54] <amin2> stvn, it doesn't help.  I also try to mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows the icon doesn't appear.
[02:54] <stvn> amin2: if you type in mount does it list as being mounted?
[02:54] <amin2> stvn, yes
[02:55] <stvn> amin2: and if you open the directory in nautilus, does it appear normal?
[02:55] <amin2> stvn: yes
[02:55] <stvn> amin2: very odd
[02:55] <stvn> amin2: it's a clean install?
[02:56] <amin2> stvn: what you mean by a clean install. I install it from a cd and then do the updating and upgrade many times.
[02:56] <SavuZiil> anyone knows why kate cant use the terminal window on ubuntu
[02:56] <DJ_Stefan0> so if i was to install the ATI drivers using apt-get like it says here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto : will that work with my amd64 architecture?
[02:56] <stvn> amin2: that's what I mean
[02:58] <SavuZiil> anyone uses kate?
[02:59] <stvn> amin2: using sudo mount <etc> doesn't result in an icon on the desktop here either, so that'll be normal, but fstab should work
[02:59] <amin2> stvn: computer, trash, home icon are alright; i do check and uncheck they appear and disappear automatically
[02:59] <stvn> amin2: try and add user in fstab: defaults,user and remount
[02:59] <Seveas> the icon only appears if it is mounted in /media
[03:00] <stvn> Seveas: not true, it also appears when mounted in /mnt or /net at least
[03:00] <Seveas> Or an arbitrary subdir
[03:00] <Seveas> Not over here stvn
[03:00] <stvn> Seveas: it also works when mounted on /mnt itself
[03:00] <Treenaks> the icon appears if it's marked "user" in fstab, or not in fstab at all, I guess?
[03:00] <stvn> as long as it is in fstab
[03:01] <stvn> could be, I have them marked user
[03:01] <stvn> but my automounted nfs share also appeared when I didn't have it marked as user
[03:03] <spikeb> i have to say, i really like the human icon set - why isn't it the default?
[03:03] <Seveas> Here they appear regardless of the "user" setting, but only if mounted in /media
[03:04] <stvn> Seveas: /mnt/debian without user doesn't appear, /mnt/windows with user does appear
[03:04] <Seveas> stvn, is that only for fstab or always?
[03:05] <stvn> Seveas: it seems only for fstab
[03:05] <Seveas> yes i guess
[03:06] <stvn> Seveas: mount with option umask=000 doesn't show up at all
[03:06] <Seveas> ah, maybe the user needs the correct rights for it to show up?
[03:06] <stvn> Seveas: could be, the dirs are chowned to the user in my case
[03:07] <stvn> adding the user option immediatly shows the partition in disks
[03:07] <Seveas> for my windows folders i have "uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0333,dmask=0222"
[03:08] <spikeb> well hi there dennis :)
[03:08] <Seveas> helleuh :)
[03:08] <DJ_Stefan0> can sum1 tell me how to load the ATI driver before i load X?
[03:08] <DJ_Stefan0> is it on the CD?
[03:08] <Seveas> you could have /whois'ed me too if you wanted to know that :p
[03:08] <DJ_Stefan0> or do i have 2 go on the net?
[03:08] <DJ_Stefan0> and can i do it during instalation?
[03:09] <DJ_Stefan0> does it support Dialup 56k?
[03:09] <Seveas> DJ_Stefan0 what ATI card do you have? I have a radeon mobile and it worked out of the box
[03:09] <DJ_Stefan0> X800 Pro
[03:09] <DJ_Stefan0> its not natively suported by x
[03:09] <DJ_Stefan0> x crashes on it
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> its the only X radeon that crashes on Xfree.. lol
[03:10] <spikeb> heh
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> ironic isnt it
[03:10] <spikeb> DJ_Stefan0, you can, however, use ati's proprietary drivers
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> which im planing 2
[03:10] <spikeb> cool
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> but
[03:10] <daniels> ah yeah, X800 isn't natively supported
[03:10] <DJ_Stefan0> can i download them during instalation?
[03:10] <spikeb> i dont know
[03:10] <daniels> i tried backporting the patch, but as far as I can tell, the Powerbook VBIOS detection is broken upstream
[03:11] <daniels> so we had to revert that one
[03:11] <spikeb> ok so what's slated for hoary?
[03:13] <lucivee> guys, what's the best way to get ubuntu dual-booting with Win2k/XP?
[03:13] <DJ_Stefan0> installing the latest grub?
[03:13] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: which is default in ubuntu..
[03:14] <lucivee> yeah, I guess so
[03:14] <Treenaks> lucivee: install win2k/xp first, leave space free for ubuntu
[03:14] <lucivee> Treenaks: yep
[03:14] <DJ_Stefan0> Treenaks the AMD64 version still doesnt wanna dualboot with 32bit WinXP
[03:14] <Treenaks> why would you want to run a 32-bit os on a 64-bit machine? :)
[03:15] <lucivee> okay, I guess I should rephrase a bit: how do I get grub to see the existing w2k/xp install :)
[03:15] <Treenaks> lucivee: there's an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst~
[03:15] <Treenaks> uh
[03:15] <DJ_Stefan0> because i have a mad graphics card and i wanna run the latest games most of them not being ported to linux yet
[03:15] <Treenaks> without the 1
[03:15] <Treenaks> ~
[03:15] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: bug the game companies then
[03:15] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: no demand = no games for linux
[03:15] <DJ_Stefan0> i did
[03:15] <DJ_Stefan0> :)
[03:15] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: show them there's demand :)
[03:16] <lucivee> Treenaks: cheers, will check it out
[03:16] <stvn> latest games, you mean there are other games than pong?
[03:16] <DJ_Stefan0> i wrote complaints to EA Games in Australia
[03:16] <gruberman> sign that wow petition :)
[03:16] <DJ_Stefan0> their representatives here
[03:16] <spikeb> heh
[03:16] <Treenaks> gruberman: wow petition?
[03:16] <spikeb> i'll be running two games
[03:16] <gruberman> world of warcraft
[03:16] <spikeb> doom III and ut2004
[03:16] <DJ_Stefan0> heh ut2004 is already available for linux..
[03:16] <Treenaks> I only play nethack occasionally
[03:16] <gruberman> As long as I can play q3 I'm satisfied
[03:16] <DJ_Stefan0> thats how all games should be i reckon
[03:17] <stvn> I mainly play ET (RTCW) which play just fine under linux
[03:17] <spikeb> i have the demo installed :)
[03:17] <DJ_Stefan0> i play Tomb Raider : Angel of Darkness , Batlefield Vietnam, Doom 3 and CS Condition Zero .. lol
[03:18] <gruberman> Just tell me when I can use VST/VSTi on linux and the xp box is out of here :)
[03:18] <spikeb> well at least one of them will run on your linux machine
[03:18] <spikeb> heh
[03:18] <DJ_Stefan0> gruberman: http://linux-sound.org
[03:19] <DJ_Stefan0> gruberman: i think u better call the garbage truck
[03:19] <DJ_Stefan0> lol
[03:19] <gruberman> DJ_Stefan0: not really
[03:19] <gruberman> tell me a VST-host on linux
[03:20] <linux_galore> Treenaks: try here http://www.liberatedgames.com/  lots of games ported to Linux
[03:20] <DJ_Stefan0> gruberman i thought u were refering to sound synthesis never mind...
[03:21] <linux_galore> noticed Winex now supports over 300 games now
[03:21] <Treenaks> linux_galore: I don't _want_ any more games :)
[03:21] <Treenaks> linux_galore: nethack is enough
[03:21] <spikeb> winex has a new stupid name
[03:21] <tseng> thats why they renamed it
[03:21] <spikeb> linux_galore, thanks for the URL :)
[03:21] <DJ_Stefan0> linux_galore i noticed that wineX is still emulation only and shouldnt be encouraged... Game Developers should port their games to run natively on linux instead
[03:22] <Treenaks> DJ_Stefan0: and sanely packaged, I might add
[03:22] <DJ_Stefan0> yeh that as well
[03:22] <DJ_Stefan0> lol
[03:22] <linux_galore> to be honest I think the Desktop isnt a good platform for games consoles will take over the whole games thing
[03:23] <spikeb> i doubt it
[03:23] <spikeb> they'll continue to co-exist
[03:23] <DJ_Stefan0> i doubt that too
[03:23] <stvn> linux_galore: still they need to run under linux, with all consoles running linux nowadays ;)
[03:23] <linux_galore> games makers dont like having to compensate for a mixed bag of hardware they prefere static hardware platforms
[03:23] <RubenV> i don't see me buying a console
[03:23] <DJ_Stefan0> well if u think about it the Playstation 2 itself already is a 128bit processor...
[03:23] <linux_galore> yeah but many new games are being released on consoles way before the desktop
[03:23] <DJ_Stefan0> and here i am bragging about my Athlon 64 3400
[03:24] <stvn> DJ_Stefan0: get a quad opteron and you can brag about your 256bit one ;)
[03:24] <spikeb> there are console games, desktop games, and both games.
[03:24] <linux_galore> actually the P4 main bus is 256bit
[03:24] <spikeb> same as it's been for a long time now
[03:24] <DJ_Stefan0> stvn that wouldnt be good for games, due to its frontside bus :P
[03:25] <linux_galore> internal that is
[03:26] <linux_galore> I noticed they are now selling the new PS-2 (slimline version) with a network connector as standard
[03:28] <Treenaks> linux_galore: so?
[03:28] <linux_galore> well it just means Life is a struggle
[03:28] <Treenaks> linux_galore: yeah, so?
[03:28] <Treenaks> linux_galore: what does it have to do with ubuntu?
[03:28] <stvn> Treenaks: the /quit msg of DJ_stefan0
[03:29] <stvn> Treenaks: still nothing to do with ubuntu
[03:29] <linux_galore> Treenaks: its a dickhead detector because most ignorant people thing Jihad means to fight or to have a holy war
[03:30] <drunken-wallaby> hi there..
[03:30] <linux_galore> well no one was posting anything or asking questions
[03:30] <Treenaks> linux_galore: I have lots of t-shirts like that.. but personally I don't think life is a struggle as such :)
[03:31] <linux_galore> Treenaks: yeah I like wearing weird funny things... scares the grey people away
[03:32] <Treenaks> linux_galore: I'm known as 'the guy with the funny t-shirts' around here..
[03:32] <Treenaks> linux_galore: http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=113
[03:32] <linux_galore> Treenaks: aaah
[03:33] <linux_galore> its summer here so Im back to my loud Hawaiian T-Shirts
[03:34] <linux_galore> should say shirts*
[03:45] <jono> is the best way to install grub by creating the boot floppy?
[03:48] <Kopfschmerzen> do you not have it installed at all?
[04:08] <Gmail> WEEEE netspilt how much fun? (not)
[04:09] <ratpoison> {global notice} Hi all! It appears that one of our hubs is having some major routing problems. I'm working on working around this problem, and any further messages will be given in wallops
[04:11] <Android16> anyone get Limewire to work on ubuntu ?
[04:15] <lucivee> Android16: is limewire a java app?
[04:15] <lucivee> Android16: or is that a different p2p app I'm thinking of?
[04:15] <helix> limewire is java
[04:15] <Android16> it uses java
[04:16] <Android16> what p2p app works nice on ubuntu ?
[04:17] <dewey> bittorrent
[04:18] <lucivee> Android16:  do you have Java installed? not sure if there is an Ubuntu java package
[04:19] <Android16> got j2re on box yes
[04:19] <lucivee> Android16: this may help: <http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java?action=highlight&value=java>
[04:19] <Android16> added to PATH also
[04:19] <lucivee> ah
[04:19] <lucivee> what's the prob then?
[04:20] <Android16> installer wont run
[04:20] <lucivee> get an error message?
[04:20] <Android16> tried running like this
[04:20] <Android16> sh ./LimeWireLinux.bin -i console
[04:20] <Android16> gives you a language option
[04:20] <Android16> and then bombs out
[04:21] <Android16> Installer User Interface Mode Not Supported
[04:21] <lucivee> what happens if you don't specify the "-i console"?
[04:23] <rcaskey> btw, what is /dead.letter
[04:23] <Treenaks> rcaskey: you started 'mail' as root, and cancelled sending
[04:23] <Treenaks> rcaskey: most likely
[04:23] <rcaskey> it must have been a package
[04:23] <Android16> Invocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException. This application will now exit
[04:23] <rcaskey> talking about udev
[04:24] <lucivee> rcaskey: or your MTA (exim/sendmail/whatever) is misconfigured and wouldn't accept the message
[04:25] <lucivee> Android16: what do you get if you run "java -version" in that same term window?
[04:25] <rcaskey> likely, this is a semi-fresh install
[04:25] <rcaskey> pre1 dist-upgraded to final
[04:26] <ploum> Hi
[04:26] <Android16> java version "1.4.2_05"
[04:26] <Android16> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-b04)
[04:26] <Android16> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_05-b04, mixed mode)
[04:26] <ploum> is reportbug package modified to send bugs to Ubuntu team instead of Debian ?
[04:27] <lucivee> Android16: everything sounds okay then, maybe your download got cut off or corrupted?
[04:28] <della> do you also have the netspeed applet crash when you try to make it monitor ppp0?
[04:29] <Android16> how do you get the Android16: part
[04:30] <lucivee> Android16: just type it in
[04:30] <lucivee> if you have a good IRC client, type enough of the name and hit <tab> to complete it
[04:30] <Android16> lucivee: k , thanks
[04:30] <lucivee> Android16: no prob! :)
[04:33] <Android16> is there an antivirus scanner for sendmail server , other the Trend viruswall ?
[04:33] <Android16> Trend installer doesn't support debian
[04:34] <Treenaks> Android16: trend ?
[04:35] <Treenaks> you'll want clamav
[04:35] <magnon> er, hi, a friend of mine has a rather unfortunate and urgent problem, his windows dual boot won't work
[04:36] <Riddell> magnon: what won't work about it?
[04:36] <magnon> Riddell: it doens't boot win
[04:36] <Riddell> magnon: but it does boot ubuntu?
[04:36] <magnon> yes
[04:36] <Riddell> magnon: try reinstlling grub
[04:36] <magnon> it says the configuration for the windows boot option and then stalls on a blinking _
[04:36] <Riddell> magnon: failing that use a dos boot disk to install the windows boot loader
[04:36] <magnon> Riddell: I have no experience with grub, actually, so please, tell me what to do? :P
[04:37] <lucivee> magnon: just fixed this problem myself
[04:37] <magnon> lucivee: oh, do tell
[04:37] <lucivee> magnon: see: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2187&highlight=Chainloader+windows
[04:37] <lucivee> the last reply was the right fix
[04:38] <magnon> ok
[04:38] <magnon> bios'es should come with ssh servers. arh.
[04:39] <Android16> Treenaks: Thanks
[04:39] <lucivee> yeah, tell me about it!
[04:39] <magnon> he's a little illiterate, so it's hard
[04:40] <lucivee> magnon: who, your bios?
[04:40] <magnon> lucivee: no, the guy who will have to do bios surgery right now
[04:41] <DJ_Stefan0> Hey Can sum1 tell me the command to download and install ati drivers? please help i cant load X...
[04:41] <lucivee> magnon: ahhh!
[04:41] <magnon> I hope it works out
[04:42] <magnon> it worked :) thanks a lot gyus
[04:42] <icarnales> hi, is there any package for gtk-sharp libraries ?
[04:43] <lucivee> magnon: good stuff!
[04:43] <magnon> icarnales: yes, there's an ubuntu repository for mono stuff
[04:43] <magnon> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[04:43] <icarnales> yes, i checked it , but there is only monodevelop and no libraries
[04:44] <magnon> hm, where did I get my stuff then?
[04:44] <icarnales> maybe from debian testing
[04:44] <icarnales> i'm trying not to mix dists
[04:44] <magnon> lemme check
[04:44] <izaac> added ComoSynaptic(Synaptic How to) Translation ;D
[04:45] <izaac> to the wiki
[04:46] <magnon> icarnales: what about Universe? there's a lot in there
[04:46] <icarnales> but no gtk-sharp :)
[04:46] <magnon> where on earth did I get my gtk-sharp then? :P
[04:47] <icarnales> there are only the runtime libraries
[04:47] <magnon> I compiled Beagle and stuff like that last night
[04:47] <DJ_Stefan0> I typed apt-get install fglrx-driver and it came up with "E: Could not find package" can u please help me on how to install ATI Drivers? should i edit the sources?
[04:47] <magnon> DJ_Stefan0: you might have to enable the "restricted" repository
[04:48] <DJ_Stefan0> magnon how do u do that, oh and btw i have the latest Ubuntu 64bit.. thats what im talking about
[04:48] <magnon> hm, ok, I have no idea for 64bit support there... but there should be
[04:48] <DJ_Stefan0> ive got an Athlon 64 3400+ with an ATI Radeon X800 Pro
[04:48] <magnon> you can edit /etc/sources.list
[04:48] <mjr> ATI has no 64-bit proprietary drivers last I checked
[04:48] <magnon> I mean /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <DJ_Stefan0> will it still work
[04:49] <DJ_Stefan0> how can i edit it from linux command shell itself?
[04:49] <magnon> dunno, but doesn't the X driver work out well?
[04:49] <mjr> so if you want 3d accel on that thing you'd have to boot a 32-bit system
[04:49] <DJ_Stefan0> no it doesnt
[04:49] <DJ_Stefan0> i have an X800 pro.. its not natively suported by X
[04:49] <magnon> oh, I used that on x.org pretty good at least
[04:49] <magnon> ATI states that 64 bit drivers are under development
[04:50] <izaac> there is a xmms alternative ? =/
[04:50] <DJ_Stefan0> izaac: plenty
[04:50] <DJ_Stefan0> lol
[04:50] <DJ_Stefan0> izaac: try Noatun
[04:50] <izaac> DJ_Stefan0: ok
[04:50] <__daniel> izaac, beep-media-player
[04:51] <DJ_Stefan0> magnon would the 32bit proprietary driver work under amd64bit Ubuntu?
[04:51] <icarnales> i suuges gmpd
[04:51] <icarnales> suuges = suggest
[04:52] <izaac> im looking for an alternative cause my xmms crashes with the nvidia driver
[04:52] <DJ_Stefan0> magnon: how do i enable the restricted repository?
[04:52] <izaac> i dunno why :(
[04:52] <della> anyone has gnome and a ppp connection?
[04:53] <icarnales> i got a pppoe conn
[04:53] <plasmo> yeah i got gnome and dialup
[04:53] <magnon> DJ_Stefan0: you can for instance do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <DJ_Stefan0> isnt gedit graphical?
[04:53] <della> would you please try whether netspeed_applet2 works monitoring the ppp connection?
[04:53] <magnon> yes
[04:53] <DJ_Stefan0> cause remember i cant boot X
[04:53] <magnon> oh, you're in console
[04:53] <DJ_Stefan0> yes!
[04:53] <della> in my sistem, it works on other interfaces but crashes with ppp
[04:53] <magnon> vim then
[04:53] <DJ_Stefan0> IRSSI
[04:53] <DJ_Stefan0> lol
[04:53] <magnon> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <magnon> irssi rocks :)
[04:54] <magnon> one of the top lines should say deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[04:54] <magnon> make it say deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[04:54] <della> package is netspeed
[04:54] <magnon> then you save the file and hit apt-get update
[04:54] <DJ_Stefan0> no it doesnt.. i hate it .. i only use it now cause i have no GUI.. all im using is my "pon" and the scripts...
[04:55] <DJ_Stefan0> ahh ok
[04:55] <DJ_Stefan0> how do u save a file in vim?
[04:55] <icarnales> :w
[04:55] <icarnales> and :q quits
[04:55] <icarnales> or for short :wq
[04:55] <JanneM> and :wq does both
[04:55] <magnon> and remember to hit esc first :p
[04:56] <JanneM> ok, so vim is not the most obvious of applications
[04:56] <DJ_Stefan0> thanx
[04:56] <magnon> no prob :)
[04:56] <magnon> JanneM: but once you start getting it, it's great ;)
[04:56] <JanneM> I can't be without it
[04:56] <JanneM> seriously
[04:56] <della> icarnales, plasmo : did you try?
[04:57] <JanneM> whenever I use something lika abiword or openoffice, I end up with vim commands strewn about my text
[04:57] <icarnales> sorry i have pppoe at home
[04:58] <icarnales> hahaha
[04:58] <plasmo> o_O
[04:59] <weswh-> i don't understand the new concept of distros "supporting security patches etc" to their distro for x amount of time (18 months in this case)...couldn't I just continually update my kernel/programs etc - and be at the same point? Or is there some extra application layer that new distros are implementing...for security/upgradability?
[04:59] <gilles> hi kamion and other people here
[04:59] <JanneM> weswh-: it's for people that want to install and then not update
[05:00] <magnon> weswh-: very useful for servers etc. You want stability from one release.
[05:00] <JanneM> ie. they have a server and want to stay with the same versions
[05:00] <mjr> weswh-, it's for those who'd rather not risk messing up a working system by upgrading significant parts of it
[05:00] <JanneM> chorus line
[05:00] <weswh-> so, what does the Ubuntu update do?
[05:00] <weswh-> pathces security in the outdated programs?
[05:00] <weswh-> patches, even
[05:00] <JanneM> exactly
[05:00] <weswh-> that's cool.
[05:00] <JanneM> all distros do, but it is time limited, of course
[05:00] <Gmail> 1  	Mandrakelinux  	1543<
[05:00] <Gmail> 2 	Fedora 	1292<
[05:00] <Gmail> 3 	SUSE 	1059<
[05:00] <Gmail> 4 	Ubuntu 	1047
[05:01] <Gmail> woot
[05:01] <JanneM> where?
[05:01] <rcaskey> Goodness its so nice working with ubuntu
[05:01] <weswh-> what is that, distrowatch or something?
[05:01] <gilles> Kamion, do you have any idea idea about my partition detection problem ?
[05:01] <Gmail> about *40 hpd
[05:01] <Gmail> weswh-: yes
[05:01] <Keybuk> Gmail: aww, we dropped
[05:01] <Keybuk> we were #3 over the weekend
[05:01] <Gmail> in 1 month mode
[05:01] <Gmail> Keybuk: no we didnt
[05:01] <benerb> i am having problems with my sound server, and was wondering if anyone knows how to change which one rhythmbox uses by default
[05:02] <spiv_> Keybuk: Well, our HPD went up, just that SUSE's went up more.
[05:02] <Gmail> yesterday we where 997
[05:02] <Gmail> SuSE just had a new releast which is on the home page yesterday
[05:02] <weswh-> so, for all practical purposes ubuntu is brand new? meaning, this this is the first release? it sounds very promising..
[05:02] <maliks> hi
[05:02] <weswh-> i've been pulling my hair out trying to get a good gnome sysem going (2.8 esp)
[05:03] <Gmail> shess only 50 people look at it more than normal and one was me
[05:03] <icarnales> magnon: no clue where you get that gtk-sharp?
[05:03] <maliks> Anyone knows when can I expect the Ubuntu 'Free( hip hip hooray!)CD to arrive At my home
[05:03] <magnon> icarnales: universe :p
[05:03] <JanneM> ubuntu is #10 on the three month scale which is pretty impressive for something that's only been publicly known for a third of that time
[05:03] <spiv_> icarnales: /topic
[05:04] <icarnales> are you sure? there is no gtk-sharp in universe
[05:04] <maliks> hey has anyone got the free CD yet??
[05:04] <benerb> nope,,,still waiting on the cd
[05:04] <maliks> same here
[05:04] <Gmail> maliks: they are still burning the cds
[05:04] <spiv_> icarnales: oops
[05:04] <benerb> i will have probably downloaded and replaced my PR cd by then
[05:04] <spiv_> maliks: /topic
[05:04] <Gmail> ask mako
[05:04] <maliks> Hey Anybody My printer (Canon XNU i255 ) is not working on Ubuntu!
[05:04] <spiv_> Gmail: I think you'll find they're being pressed.
[05:05] <Gmail> spiv_: they get press after burned
[05:05] <maliks> I dont mind ewven if they dont send me
[05:05] <maliks> but I have to make up my mind now that 1.0 is out
[05:05] <maliks> Whether to burn the CD myself or wa...it for the free CD
[05:05] <JanneM> I'll be spreading the CD:s in the office
[05:05] <maliks> BTW can nyone help me set up my printer ( Canon i255 ) setup successfully on Linux
[05:05] <rcaskey> is there a package that is needed for mysql support in php
[05:05] <PandU> I have just set up ubuntu 32 bit and startx is giving error whats the command line to reconfigure x or may be change resolution
[05:06] <SuperQ> maliks: i would check linuxprinting.org
[05:06] <Gmail> spiv_: and mako said there are people which order 60k
[05:06] <Gmail> *over
[05:06] <magnon> icarnales: it has been there, google says so
[05:06] <PandU> Also is there an editor other than vim a user freindly one
[05:06] <maliks> 60k
[05:06] <magnon> but it's not there anymore
[05:06] <SuperQ> maliks: well.. if the site wasn't broken
[05:06] <benerb> does anyone know anything about how to change the Gstreamer audio server sink in ubuntu?
[05:06] <weswh-> the default desktop for ubuntu is gnome 2.8?
[05:06] <magnon> weswh-: yes
[05:06] <weswh-> that's amazing.
[05:06] <maliks> 60k! Abs absurd: kind of abusing the service
[05:06] <spiv_> benerb: run gstreamer-properties
[05:06] <magnon> benerb: gstreamer-properties
[05:06] <benerb> cool
[05:07] <benerb> spiv & magnon: thanks!  I am used to FC and having it on the menu
[05:07] <maliks> BTW Any idea how they are supposed to give these for free ( CDs) when on the other hand Yoper is broke
[05:07] <magnon> benerb: it should be in the menu.
[05:07] <magnon> I recon.
[05:07] <magnon> it's not, but it should
[05:07] <Gmail> PandU: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree
[05:07] <magnon> actually, the whole dialog should belong somewhere else ;)
[05:08] <magnon> who the hell knows what "alsasink" does anyway
[05:08] <benerb> magnon - a fully agree - i forgot what it was called in FC - but ubuntu defaulted to ESD and it sucks terribly on my laptop...nice for my multimedia server, but not the laptop
[05:08] <maliks> Hey! help please !!! (::plead::) Canon xnu i255 printer
[05:08] <SuperQ> maliks: linuxprinting.org
[05:08] <maliks> i have tried that SuperQ but thanks anyways
[05:09] <SuperQ> maliks: if you can't find it there, it's not going to work
[05:09] <PandU> Gmail, it says its not installed why
[05:09] <maliks> oops...
[05:09] <maliks> looks like I have have to live with Winblows then????
[05:09] <rcaskey> phpMyAdmin says that I need mysql modules for php
[05:09] <PandU> Gmail, may be the package name is different
[05:09] <rcaskey> I don't see anything like that in my package cache
[05:10] <maliks> just for a printer I will have to keep my computer dirty ? you mean?
[05:10] <rcaskey> is that only in universe?
[05:10] <Gmail> PandU: md5sum your cd and ask bob2 to help you or Kamion
[05:10] <rcaskey> am I missing something obvious?
[05:10] <weswh-> man, they are giving away a lot of cds. hehe
[05:10] <maliks> Canon i255 Please someone
[05:11] <Gmail> maliks: GooGLE!
[05:11] <maliks> Hey Gmail I have already tried Google but no  (:: BTW sponsoring your Co. Everywhere you go??? Mr. Gmail!)
[05:11] <maliks> oops
[05:11] <maliks> mr. /Ms.
[05:11] <maliks> just made a guess!
[05:12] <stvn> maliks: it looks like the i255 is not supported by linux
[05:12] <stvn> maliks: mail/phone/bug canon for drivers
[05:12] <Gmail> I AM MR SIR!
[05:12] <maliks> hey nice idea but are they going to listen to me  ?
[05:13] <maliks> ok Mr. Gmail
[05:13] <maliks> I hope you arent knighted et? Are you?
[05:13] <stvn> maliks: probably not, but if enough people bug them, they just might, if you don't bug them they'll never produce drivers
[05:13] <Gmail> there write spelling
[05:13] <maliks> Ankit Malik wants to hit Canon for compelling me to use Winslows
[05:14] <maliks> (::cry::)
[05:14] <stvn> maliks: or 'just' swap your printer for a supported one
[05:14] <stvn> maliks: send the printer back to canon and tell them it doesn't work and you want your money back ;)
[05:14] <maliks> hey ! nice one pro!
[05:14] <maliks> will try that one out!
[05:14] <maliks> thanks
[05:15] <maliks> STVN ( Hey! That is a strange name!)
[05:15] <maliks> Bye Everybody
[05:15] <maliks> and dont forget
[05:15] <maliks> to Hail Ubuntu
[05:15] <maliks> !
[05:16] <maliks> Slightly off track but how do you post messages like Gmail did ' I wanna hit Canon with XYZ ...'
[05:16] <stvn> maliks:  /me
[05:16] <maliks> ok lemme try
[05:17] <maliks> yeeah! thanks
[05:17] <rcaskey> what's the appropriate way to retreive only one package from universe?
[05:17] <weswh-> how often should one reasonably check for updates to the system? to expect security/usability/stability fixes...every couple days?
[05:17] <stvn> rcaskey: enable the universe source in synaptic, reload, select the package, install it, disable the repository and reload
[05:18] <rcaskey> but that means you wont get security updates right?
[05:18] <maliks> weswh: if you are an idiot : never; if you love your PC: 2-3 days and if you are paranoid : couple of hours will do
[05:18] <stvn> weswh-: join the security announcement mailinglist and you'll know
[05:18] <benerb> anyone know how to turn off the ability to click by tapping a touchpad...i think support was finally added for my synaptic pad on my dell, and now i dislike it
[05:18] <maliks> Has anyone heard of Scitech ( hey I am no Scitech person)
[05:18] <maliks> I used hteir graphical drivers and it has accer... X server by 100 %
[05:19] <sgtshatta> I get this error when compiling gdesklets 0.30 configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:20] <sgtshatta> my $PATH IS :/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[05:20] <weswh-> is warty now final...or is it still preview? can't tell from the site
[05:20] <__daniel> sgtshatta, libxml-perl will help you there
[05:20] <magnon> weswh-: final
[05:21] <sgtshatta> daniel: so i need to install libxml-perl can i use apt-get
[05:21] <sgtshatta> ?
[05:21] <__daniel> sgtshatta, yes
[05:21] <weswh-> so it'll be april before they move to x.org? guess it's not of real consequence as long as what they are using works.
[05:22] <sgtshatta> daniel: thank you much that works
[05:22] <weswh-> they don't make any promises as to how seamless their upgrades will be...but i imagine that'd be one of their biggest focuses?
[05:22] <__daniel> sgtshatta, woohoo!
[05:23] <stvn> weswh-: yeah
[05:23] <weswh-> anyone optimized it for i686
[05:23] <stvn> weswh-: and they're going into large pains to get the xfree->xorg migration seamless
[05:24] <stvn> j
[05:25] <Gmail> maliks: i am also using a /slap script
[05:25] <Gmail> AHHHHHHHH
[05:25] <Gmail> rcaskey: php is in universe
[05:26] <Kamion> Gmail: try not to volunteer other people's help unless you know them well, please
[05:26] <Kamion> PandU: the package name is 'xserver-xfree86'
[05:27] <rcaskey> gmail: hrmm
[05:27] <rcaskey> you sure?
[05:28] <rcaskey> libapache2-mod-php4 seemed to be in warty at any rate
[05:28] <gruberman> Now I'm getting confused. What has moinmoin to do with installing apache?
[05:29] <gruberman> Just saw it on the wiki
[05:29] <Kamion> rcaskey: that's right; the 'php4' package is in universe, but is more geared towards apache 1
[05:29] <sparkes> rcaskey, this was covered on the users list
[05:29] <gruberman> Can't I just install libapache2-mod-php4?
[05:29] <bob2> gruberman: yes
[05:30] <gruberman> thx bob2
[05:30] <bob2> gruberman: but moinmoin is written in python, not php
[05:30] <jde> Hello, anyone know how to setup user pictures for GDM?
[05:31] <gruberman> I probably got the wrong page when I was looking for info on installing php+apache
[05:31] <gruberman> gah.. it said mod_python ;)
[05:32] <sgtshatta> daniel: here is another error when trying to install gnome python configure: error: could not find Python headers
[05:32] <stvn> jde: rename the photo ~/.face and it should work
[05:33] <jde> stvn: any format?
[05:35] <phosphorgreen> Hello everyone, how are we all today? I can't seem to enable dma mode for my cdroms with hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda -- I'm sudo'ing to root, but it tells me the operation is not permitted, anybody any ideas?
[05:36] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, your cdrom is on /dev/hda ?
[05:36] <phosphorgreen> yes
[05:36] <phosphorgreen> my hdd is a SATA device
[05:39] <smj> phosphorgreen: SATA devices are usually seen by the kernel as SCSI devices.  ARe you sure your cdrom is on /dev/hda?
[05:39] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, ls -al /dev/cdrom just to make sure your on /dev/hda
[05:39] <phosphorgreen> root@jabba:~ # ls -la /dev/cdrom
[05:39] <phosphorgreen> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            8 2004-10-25 14:28 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hda
[05:39] <phosphorgreen> trust me, I know that much ;)
[05:40] <LinuxJones> heh
[05:40] <smj> phosphorgreen: What kind of cdrom do you have?
[05:40] <phosphorgreen> i have 2: /dev/hda is an LG CD RW drive. /dev/hdc is a Pioneer DVD rom drive
[05:40] <smj> phosphorgreen: Do you have any issues with dma on the Pioneer drive?
[05:41] <phosphorgreen> one moment, i'll check...
[05:41] <phosphorgreen> yes, i have the same issue
[05:41] <smj> phosphorgreen: LG has routinely been a thorn in my side.  So much so, that whenever I get one in a PC from the hardware department I send it back demanding they replace that crap.
[05:42] <phosphorgreen> i build the PC myself. The LG drive is just a run-of-the-mill upgrade drive
[05:43] <smj> phosphorgreen: I get /dev/cdrom: using_dma    =  1 (on) for my DVD writer.  Hmmm...
[05:44] <Gmail> rcaskey: postive i am look at where everything is kept right now!
[05:44] <rcaskey> Gmail: hrmm
[05:44] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, your master/slave switch wouldn't be mis-set on the cdrom drive ?
[05:44] <smj> Shit!  I'm in the wrong channel!
[05:45] <phosphorgreen> yeah, im defo having an issue with the DMA. DVDs are really sluggish and so is cd writing. Im using a AMD64 3000+ with 512MB DDR 3200 so it should be fine for dvd
[05:45] <phosphorgreen> LinuxJones: I don't think so, since they are both masters -- /dev/hda is primary master for it's channel and /dev/hdc is primary master for it's channel
[05:45] <phosphorgreen> i mean secondary master
[05:46] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, that's odd
[05:46] <smj> phosphorgreen: I wish I could help you, but I'm not sure what to tell you.
[05:47] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, maybe you should file a bug and/or check the mailing lists for similar problems.
[05:47] <phosphorgreen> im reading something on the ubuntu lists now with regards to piix chipsets
[05:47] <phosphorgreen> i think im not the only one - its a SATA issue
[05:48] <malte> http://noraisin.net/~jan/generators/ubuntu/ubuntu-release.php heh
[05:48] <smj> phosphorgreen: Good luck.
[05:49] <phosphorgreen> thanks smj
[05:50] <stvn> malte: this one is good, noone will be able to spell it right: Interreticular Iguana
[05:50] <Keybuk> stvn: doesn't end in 'y' :)
[05:50] <stvn> Tallowy Thrush
[05:50] <Keybuk> Inky Iguana
[05:50] <stvn> what's a thrush?
[05:51] <phosphorgreen> a bird
[05:51] <phosphorgreen> or a nasty STD
[05:51] <phosphorgreen> ;)
[05:51] <stvn> hm, the random generator doesn't take the y issue into account
[05:51] <Keybuk> Bendy Badger
[05:51] <stvn> phosphorgreen: heh, thanks
[05:52] <Keybuk> stvn: *shrug* I assume the author didn't know about it :o)
[05:52] <Keybuk> actually, I like 'bendy', that will give elmo the giggles
[05:52] <stvn> how about this one: Semiexpository Springbok
[05:52] <stvn> Keybuk: heh
[05:52] <mako> Gmail: 60k is a lot closer to the total than the largest order
[05:53] <Keybuk> Tricky Turtle
[05:53] <Gmail> mako: you said you are worid about the 60k oders
[05:54] <Keybuk> Gmail: that's a *lot* of CDs
[05:54] <Keybuk> like, a small warehouse full
[05:54] <__daniel> 60k CDs or 60k different orders?
[05:54] <Keybuk> 100CDs will fill a cupboard quite effectively
[05:54] <Keybuk> 1,000CDs will fill a small room
[05:56] <mako> Gmail: the largest order is 10,000 and i've talked to the people and told them we won't be sending it
[05:56] <mako> Gmail: if i said 60,000, i twas a typo
[05:56] <xf_> heh, holy crap
[05:56] <xf_> what are the largest orders you /are/ sending?
[05:57] <mako> xf_: a few very large conferences are getting a few thousand
[05:57] <xf_> fair enough, i guess. i hope your printing costs are low :)
[05:57] <mako> i once carried 200 cds on an international plane flight.. it's a lot of cd
[05:57] <xf_> canonical funding the prints?
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Someone ordered 10,000 copies of Ubuntu ?
[05:57] <SuperQ> haha
[05:57] <xf_> i guess if you look at this as marketing, it's a cheap way to do it, really
[05:58] <bob2> Gmail: the lugs in sydney will be well covered
[05:59] <jeld> hello all
[06:00] <xf_> i dropped my powerbook tonight
[06:00] <xf_> power cable is completely mangled, and there's a big dent where the power plug goes in
[06:00] <xf_> not to mention scratching on the bottom of the case, but that's the least of my worries :-(
[06:00] <LinuxJones> xf_, omg that sucks
[06:00] <xf_> no kidding
[06:00] <xf_> wasn't cheap either, heh
[06:00] <LinuxJones> xf_,I hope you have some type of insurance
[06:00] <xf_> i always drop things
[06:00] <xf_> no, i don't, i'm currently investigating it
[06:00] <xf_> so yeah, ironical i guess
[06:01] <LinuxJones> xf_, argh :(
[06:01] <xf_> murphy's law they call it, right?
[06:01] <xf_> i haven't found any laptop insurance in au that covers accidental damage
[06:01] <xf_> haha i wonder if i could find one, and they'd cover me without inspecting the laptop
[06:01] <xf_> them i claim in a month :-p
[06:01] <Gmail> bob2: then why not cut down my order
[06:01] <xf_> then, even
[06:02] <bob2> Gmail: that's a good idea
[06:02] <Gmail> mako: i can change my number to like 150 as bob2 claims all the uni sydney lug are coved
[06:02] <mako> Gmail: what was it before?
[06:06] <xf_> geez spam sucks lately
[06:06] <xf_> i make a post on a lug list about how dell laptops suck
[06:06] <xf_> now i'm recieving loads of spam telling me i've won a dell laptop
[06:06] <xf_> might be a conincendence, but heh
[06:06] <xf_> coincidence, even
[06:09] <jonah> hi ! is there no kernel-source avaible for the 2.6.8.1 kernel !?
[06:10] <crimsun> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:10] <theine> what came out of the meeting yesterday?
[06:11] <gruberman> If I install libapache2-mod-php4 can I install mysql later?
[06:12] <bob2> Gmail: sure
[06:12] <bob2> gruberman: ^^
[06:12] <gruberman> bob2: And it will work? :)
[06:12] <bob2> of course.
[06:14] <gruberman> bob2: You haven't seen what I can do when it comes to f*** ups :)
[06:16] <Gmail> mako: sorry back
[06:16] <Gmail> mako: 200 i386, 50 ppc, 50 amd
[06:16] <mako> Gmail: i'm in the community council meeting
[06:17] <Gmail> i want to change it to 75 i386, 25 ppc and 25 amd
[06:17] <Gmail> mako: ok
[06:20] <mako> Gmail: please go, ahead and change it.. you don't need my held to do this :)
[06:21] <kensai> How can I add apps to the gnome menu? cause ubuntu doesn't do this automagically
[06:21] <Gmail> mako: wait have you made 300 cd yet for me? or still need to make them?
[06:21] <bob2> kensai: applications:/// in ubuntu
[06:21] <bob2> Gmail: cds have not started shipping yet, it's fine to change it
[06:22] <Gmail> kensai: gnome does it automaticly and if it doesnt restart gnome
[06:22] <Gmail> bob2: but the printed the cds
[06:22] <Gmail> if they printed the cds they might as well go ahead
[06:22] <bob2> Gmail: it's fine to change it still
[06:22] <Gmail> bob2: ok
[06:23] <mako> Gmail: i don't remember everbody personally.. msg me you email address that you used to register and i can tell you
[06:23] <kensai> no I have installed nvclock and tuxracer and gtk-gnutella from apt and they are not in the gnome menu
[06:23] <Gmail> mako: ok
[06:23] <mako> bob2: not quite true.. cds have not shipped but large parts of the db have been forzen
[06:23] <kensai> thanks bob2 that works
[06:23] <oddabe19> kensai, i know, i have the same problem
[06:23] <bob2> mako: argh, sorry
[06:24] <bob2> kensai: er, applications:/// in nautilus
[06:25] <kensai> Yeah thanks bob2
[06:25] <kensai> so I move the apps to applications:/// ?
[06:25] <bob2> kensai: no, you can make menu items ther
[06:25] <Gmail> kensai: add them manuly app like that dont add them self maybe mention it at the end of the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting that maintanor should make the app add it self to gnome menu and kde menu
[06:26] <WW> kensai: Right-click in a submenu...
[06:27] <WW> kensai: Or take a look at 5.6 here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[06:27] <kensai> Ohh ok thanks it is working
[06:27] <oddabe19> everyonce in a while, i'll get an error "there was an error setting up inter-process communications for kde. the message returned by the system was:"
[06:28] <oddabe19> "Could not read network connection list. /home/oddabel/.DCOPserver_ubuntu_0
[06:29] <oddabe19> can anyone help with that, I use Gnome, so i shouldnt' have that problem
[06:29] <stvn> oddabe19: do you use kde programs?
[06:32] <sparkes> Gmail, stop interupting #ubuntu-meeting with OT suggestions please
[06:32] <Gmail> how is it off-topic?
[06:33] <sparkes> if you don't understand why it's offtopic keep you questions to here ;-)
[06:33] <Gmail> you where talking about package maintanor and i wanted to add it before you move on and i was a bit slow
[06:33] <oddabe19> stvn... only k3b... but never mind, i just fixed it... permissions were set wrong
[06:34] <sparkes> The discussion is about mentoring new maintainers and tools to faciliate ease of patch submission, it's nothing to do with GNOME menus
[06:34] <stvn> oddabe19: heh ok
[06:34] <Kamion> Gmail: community council purpose is here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/governance
[06:41] <bratsche> Quick question - when I restarted, X wouldn't start on its own because my nvidia kernel driver wasn't loaded.  I thought it is supposed to do this automatically.  How do I fix this?
[06:43] <Gmail> bratsche: you installed the modules?
[06:43] <stvn> bratsche: check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fVideoCards
[06:43] <Gmail> theres a meeting go on and most people are in it
[06:43] <bratsche> Gmail: Yeah.  And after I installed it, it was working.  But when I reset the computer now it's not.
[06:43] <stvn> bratsche: basically you need to install the modules and change the XFConfig-4 file
[06:44] <Gmail> do as stvn
[06:44] <kensai> gcc is not installed in ubuntu?
[06:44] <stvn> kensai: not at default
[06:44] <HcE> apt-get install build-essential
[06:44] <kensai> I installed gcc 3.4 from apt is this ok?
[06:45] <HcE> jepp
[06:45] <kensai> but still can't compile nvclock so I need to reboot?
[06:45] <bratsche> stvn: I installed it with apt-get, and I modified XFConfig-4.  It was working when I did this.  In fact, I just manually did modprobe nvidia and then startx worked fine.
[06:45] <HcE> build-essential is just a virtual package which depends on the usual build-stuff =)
[06:45] <stvn> kensai: if you only need gcc it is, but for compiling software you probably want/need more, build-essentials has most essential stuff to build software (hence the name)
[06:45] <bratsche> stvn: The problem is that the kernel module isn't loading automatically when I start X.  I have to manually modprobe it.
[06:45] <kensai> stvn: thanks
[06:45] <HcE> bratsche: are you sure you have all nessesary libraries?
[06:46] <stvn> bratsche: add nvidia to /ets/modules
[06:46] <stvn> bratsche: /etc/modules that is
[06:46] <Gmail> HcE: no it depends on gcc-3.3 and you cant call gcc-3.3 more normal than gcc-3.4
[06:46] <HcE> ah, ok
[06:46] <HcE> just install gcc-3.3 too?
[06:46] <HcE> and compile with 3.3 version
[06:47] <Kamion> 3.3 is the default gcc version right now
[06:47] <Kamion> kensai: install the 'gcc' package rather than picking a particular one
[06:47] <aLi`> fonts are too small in applications.. like xmms, kvirc,
[06:47] <Kamion> the gcc package is what gives you /usr/bin/gcc, so it's what you want anyway
[06:54] <kensai> Ok I just installed build-essentials now and removed gcc 3.4 and g++ 3.4
[06:54] <ChibaPet> Hey, all. I haven't installed Ubuntu yet, but I'm likely going to do it later this week. A question... Does ubuntu come with dselect, and is it possible to use it, if it exists, to select initial packages?
[06:54] <bratsche> stvn: Thanks, that fixed it!
[06:54] <WW> ChibaPet: I think the installer has an "expert" mode (but I haven't tried it, so I can't answer any questions about it).
[06:54] <ChibaPet> How about dselect? I'd sorely miss that if it's not supported.
[06:54] <ChibaPet> Can't seem to find a package listing on the Ubuntu site.
[06:54] <WW> ChibaPet: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:54] <ChibaPet> thanks
[06:54] <stvn> np
[06:54] <bratsche> Shit, now firefox is segfaulting.
[06:54] <gruberman> brb
[06:54] <ChibaPet> Nice:
[06:54] <ChibaPet> Package: dselect
[06:54] <ChibaPet> Priority: required
[06:55] <kensai> ok nvclock installe flawlessly
[06:55] <ChibaPet> I'm officially looking forward to this now. :)
[06:55] <Kamion> ChibaPet: yes, that's so that upgrades from woody using dselect aren't disastrous
[06:55] <Kamion> but I don't think we plan to remove dselect; if nothing else elmo and I would probably both start a riot
[06:55] <ChibaPet> Heh.
[06:56] <ChibaPet> I am a fan of dselect. I'd have to help riot if I get into Ubuntu and then lose dselect. :)
[06:56] <ChibaPet> Linguicide. Eek.
[06:56] <ChibaPet> Anyway, thanks, all, for the pointers!
[06:57] <matthew_> has anybody here tried to run two operating systems at once? (ubuntu and windows XP)
[06:57] <bratsche> With VMware or something?
[06:58] <matthew_> nope, i just partitioned the hard drive and have both ubuntu and windows installed, the only problem is i that i cannot boot into windows because ubuntu boots automoatically
[06:58] <bratsche> Oh, okay.  That's easy to fix.
[06:58] <matthew_> i was wondering if anybody knew how to set it up so that i could boot windows as well
[06:58] <bratsche> You need to edit your grub.conf file.
[06:58] <Kamion> press Escape at boot time
[06:58] <Kamion> you'll get the grub menu
[06:58] <matthew_> okay
[06:59] <matthew_> thats where i get lost, because im knew to linux/ubuntu
[06:59] <diego> bratsche, actually i believe there is only menu.lst but i may be wrong
[06:59] <Kamion> yes, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:59] <bratsche> Oh, okay.
[07:00] <bratsche> My grub is installed from Fedora, and I think it has a grub.conf file somewhere in either /boot or /etc.
[07:00] <matthew_> could somebody give me step by step instructions as to what to do?
[07:00] <matthew_> like i said, um a newbie
[07:00] <matthew_> im*
[07:00] <shawnr> Wondering how to change the default vnc port... Anyone give me a hand?
[07:01] <shawnr> vncserver port
[07:02] <WW> matthew_: I think Kamion meant that when you reboot, there is a time when you can press Escape, and that should bring up a menu from which you can choose either Ubuntu or Windows.
[07:02] <matthew_> i wish it were that easy
[07:02] <matthew_> i have to enter some commands, and i dont know them
[07:02] <diego> matthew_, hold on a sec and i'll show you how
[07:02] <matthew_> ok, thanks
[07:03] <Honningmusen> What can I do, if my installation tells me, that I need some modules to get some of my hardware working?
[07:03] <diego> matthew_, read this page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10#doc_chap2
[07:06] <matthew_> ok, thanks a bunch diego
[07:06] <deFrysk> hoary repo is up I noticed
[07:06] <diego> matthew_, you should be able to stop after editing the (grub.conf or menu.lst) file
[07:06] <Treenaks> deFrysk: topic ;)
[07:06] <bratsche> Does anyone else have problems with Firefox crashing when you use the Google search toolbar?
[07:06] <WW> bratsche: Nope.
[07:06] <matthew_> this looks like it should help me a lot
[07:06] <deFrysk> Treenaks, I just updated to hoary :s
[07:06] <Kamion> deFrysk: don't, it's BROKEN
[07:06] <bratsche> It's crashing very consistently for me right now.
[07:06] <Kamion> deFrysk: it will stay broken for a while
[07:06] <deFrysk> Kamion, then i am broken
[07:06] <Kamion> deFrysk: expect no support
[07:06] <Kamion> :-)
[07:06] <deFrysk> did not do a dist-upgrade though
[07:06] <benerb> why firefox only .93 or whatever?
[07:06] <Kamion> the hoary repository's open for easier development coordination, not because we expect it to be usable yet
[07:07] <WW> benerb: There's a thread in the mailing list about it... 1.0PR is buggy.
[07:07] <Kamion> it's in a strange partial-merged state at the moment
[07:07] <benerb> ok..i need to join the ubuntu mailing list...i am still on FC's Test
[07:07] <benerb> WW, thanks
[07:07] <WW> benerb: np
[07:08] <WW> benerb: I don't subsribe to it, I just browse the archive now and then.  200 or so emails a day is a bit much.
[07:09] <rizzoo> I can't find the config file for the Remote Desktop in Ubuntu... Need to change the default port.
[07:09] <matthew_> ok, another question: how do i use the tab completion mechanism while i am entering commands?
[07:09] <matthew_> nothing seems to be working for me quite as the instructions say
[07:10] <diego> rizzoo: have you checked the related files in the man page? i'd try to be more helpful but don't have access to a ubuntu box right now
[07:10] <deFrysk> well , the upgrade worked out fine (not dist-upgrade)
[07:11] <diego> matthew_, when you are editing the config file you don't get tab completion
[07:11] <rizzoo> yeah I didn't even think of looking there... Haven't had coffee yet. New to Ubuntu an the server conf file doesn't appear to be at the right place.
[07:11] <nathanieldelaney> i got some newb questions that I can't find explained on the website.  is this the place for that?
[07:12] <matthew_> ok, thats not good for me
[07:12] <diego> nathanieldelaney, mmm...probably, proceed
[07:16] <matthew_> every command i enter is unrecognized
[07:16] <diego> matthew_, don't use the command mode, just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst the way the gentoo handbook link i sent you says
[07:16] <nathanieldelaney> well, I'd like to install some .deb packages from the internet, but I can't figure out how to get them installed
[07:16] <matthew_> ok
[07:16] <deFrysk> dpkg -i
[07:16] <nathanieldelaney> do I need to load them into synaptic or use terminal commands?
[07:16] <sparkes> nathanieldelaney, you will be better off sticking with ubuntu packages but if you really must install a deb like this dpkg -i packagename
[07:16] <nathanieldelaney> thank you
[07:16] <sparkes> nathanieldelaney, dpkg -i packagename at the cl
[07:22] <gruberman> I have a Dlink 604 router with built-in firewall. Is that enough?
[07:22] <gruberman> Not that I have any interesting on th ebox anyway....
[07:22] <diego> gruberman, enough?
[07:22] <gruberman> well, protection wise
[07:22] <diego> that's probably an opinion
[07:26] <kensai> I'm trying to play a .mpg and a .avi from my usb stick and totem says it can not play it. Is it cause of some codecs not being installed by default?
[07:28] <diego> kensai, yeah...licensing issues
[07:28] <kensai> one of them is /mpeg
[07:28] <kensai> so how can I install this?
[07:28] <diego> kensai, give me a sec, there was a forum thread about it somewhere
[07:28] <kensai> Thanks
[07:29] <diego> kensai, look around http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 and keep in mind it's 3 pages long so there might be some more relevant stuff at the end
[07:30] <kensai> thanks
[07:30] <benerb> anyone know how to use the gstreamer-properties to send all gstreamer sounds to a remote ESD?
[07:30] <delire> at the point of install can i opt not to install gnome altogether?
[07:31] <delire> <-- knows v'little about ubuntu
[07:32] <diego> delire, i believe with an advanced setup you can choose which packages you would like installed
[07:32] <delire> diego: and advanced setup is at the lilo/grub prompt?
[07:33] <delire> diego: or thereabouts?
[07:33] <diego> well i know it's at the bootloader but for example when it failed for me it put me into advanced mode so there may be a way to change during the wizard
[07:34] <delire> diego: and can i use a mix of ubuntu and debian source repositories?
[07:34] <delire> .. or are they mutually exclusive..
[07:34] <diego> delire, yeah...it's best to use ubunto packages if you can though as they will be more likely to be stable
[07:34] <diego> ubuntu*
[07:35] <delire> diego: well i've been using debian for many years so i think i would miss a fair bit.
[07:36] <diego> delire, well i'm personally using the ubuntu base and then debian testing packages for kde
[07:36] <diego> no problems for me but there's no guarantee you'll have the same luck
[07:36] <punkass> i have the pre release installed ...does just doing an Update take me to the final release?
[07:36] <punkass> or do i have to do a dist-upgrade?
[07:37] <benerb> has anyone used the ESD plugin for xmms to forward sound to a remote host?
[07:38] <delire> diego: right.. is there anyway i can browse the package repositories?
[07:38] <delire> diego: .. ideally in a searchable format online
[07:38] <martink> pitti: are you coming to Linux-Info-Tag Dresden on Saturday?
[07:39] <pitti> martink: yes, I'll do
[07:39] <pitti> martink: I'll be at the Debian booth
[07:39] <martink> pitti: great, will you have ubuntu cds ;)?
[07:39] <diego>  tee hee
[07:39] <pitti> martink: if you have questions, can you please ask me later? I must go five minutes ago
[07:39] <pitti> martink: I'm afraid they won't be here on time
[07:40] <martink> pitti: no real questions
[07:40] <pitti> martink: but if you need some, you can get some a bit later
[07:40] <pitti> martink: I will bring some to the University
[07:40] <pitti> bye
[07:40] <diego> delire, i'm not sure.. you could use synaptic but that's not online
[07:41] <delire> ok.. are apt-get apt-cache apt-show apt-file and dpkg on board in ubuntu by default?
[07:42] <delire> <-- dislikes synaptic
[07:42] <stvn> delire: yes
[07:42] <delire> great
[07:43] <Kamion> delire: apt-file isn't there by default, and I don't know what apt-show is
[07:43] <Kamion> delire: apt-file's in universe
[07:43] <delire> are the /etc/rc* and /etc/init.d structures similar to that of debian?
[07:44] <Kamion> delire: fairly, yes
[07:44] <Kamion> delire: there are tweaks for fancy output but the structure's the same
[07:44] <stvn> delire: hm, it looks like apt-show is missing as well, sorry wasn't checking the facts properly
[07:44] <delire> sorry meant apt-cache (show). misstype
[07:44] <Kamion> yes, that's there
[07:44] <delire> stvn: you weren't wrong. i was
[07:44] <Kamion> it's part of apt
[07:45] <delire> does ubuntu have a source repository?
[07:45] <stvn> delire: yes
[07:45] <bob2> delire: yes
[07:45] <malte> it is in your sources.list
[07:45] <bob2> the source is on the mirrors with the binaries, just like debian
[07:45] <delire> malte: i haven't installed ubuntu. just probing
[07:45] <malte> delire, ah :)
[07:45] <delire> bob2: excellent
[07:46] <delire> in debian version terms, what does 'warty' compare to.. i mean in the sense of package release dates not version epoch.
[07:47] <malte> delire, sarge, i think. hoary is going to be synced with unstable though, iirc
[07:48] <delire> hehe hoary
[07:48] <stvn> delire: sarge, but since it has a 6month release cycle it will always between sid and testing I guess
[07:48] <delire> bob2: a personal Q, why did you switch. i've been seeing you in #debian for years
[07:48] <delire> bob2: or have you even switched?
[07:48] <delire> stvn: hmm the release cycle is appealing
[07:49] <Warty> hello
[07:49] <Warty> Someone speaks french?
[07:49] <bob2> delire: I'm using both now...up to date + stable is a very sexy combo
[07:50] <delire> bob2: stable and unstable? wow..
[07:50] <Warty> I installed Ubuntu and i would like to know how to active the root account ?
[07:50] <bob2> Warty: wiki,ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:50] <bob2> Warty: but you don't need to...
[07:51] <Warty> bob2 yes i know i use sudo
[07:51] <Warty> but i don't like to use sudo
[07:51] <delire> bob2: as a hardened debian user, how do you find sudo being default?
[07:52] <bob2> delire: I like it a lot, but I was using sudo for everything on Debian, anyway
[07:52] <stvn> sudo is very nice (might not be as hardened as bob but been using debian for more than 4 years now)
[07:52] <bob2> delire: if it really bothers you, you can just enable the root account with one command
[07:52] <Warty> and how to change the root pass ? sudo passwd ?
[07:52] <delire> bob2: cool
[07:52] <bob2> Warty: yes
[07:52] <Warty> ok bob2
[07:53] <Treenaks> Warty: but you'll want to keep using sudo, really
[07:53] <stvn> delire: face it, there's no reason not to switch :P
[07:53] <delire> stvn: hehe i don't like gome?
[07:53] <delire> s/gome/gnome
[07:53] <stvn> delire: well who doesn't like gnome ;) - anyway that is a valid reason although kde works quite nicely as I understand
[07:54] <delire> stvn: i dislike both KDE and gnome, being a blackbox/openbox user of some years
[07:55] <stvn> delire: ah ok, well I must say the ubuntu-team has done their homework with gnome very good, it mostly just works
[07:55] <delire> so, aside from the regular release dates and the installer, why should i consider ubuntu?
[07:55] <stvn> delire: you get the fun of debian with a bit less of the hassle
[07:55] <delire> stvn: yep, well i think my sister might be keen, she's likely to migrate from suse soon
[07:55] <darian2k> hello
[07:56] <darian2k> someone know a german chat for ubuntu linux
[07:56] <stvn> delire: I switched because it's easier for me to manage the desktop computer in my studentshouse with ubuntu than with debian-sarge
[07:56] <bob2> delire: beautiful defaults, nudity in the default install and general awesomeness
[07:56] <delire> stvn: hmm.. for me debian is only a hassle on install. but hassle free install is significant in that i teach game development in linux and like to recommend distro's
[07:56] <stvn> darian2k: you tried if ubuntu-de exists?
[07:56] <delire> bob2: hmm
[07:56] <darian2k> stvn, no
[07:56] <darian2k> stvn, i think im stuppid :)
[07:57] <darian2k> never the less - nobody in the channel
[07:57] <darian2k> i use debian sarge 3.1 (testing)
[07:57] <delire> what is the intended target user(s) of ubuntu? business/developer/artist/neither/?
[07:57] <stvn> delire: well I've had some bad experiences with sarge updates and woody just doesn't cut it as a desktop for windows minded people ;)
[07:57] <darian2k> know i think to switch
[07:57] <delire> stvn: valid points
[07:57] <bob2> delire: everyone
[07:58] <darian2k> but i dont use gnome 2.8 - i use xfce
[07:58] <bob2> delire: tho it is intended to be new-user-friendly
[07:58] <darian2k> there some packets for xfce?
[07:58] <darian2k> or could i use debian .deb files?
[07:58] <bob2> darian2k: it's in universe, yes
[07:58] <stvn> darian2k: it is possible, I've upgraded one sarge PC with xfce, it all worked afterwards
[07:58] <Olivier_54> yo
[07:58] <delire> bob2: sorry to bug, but can you be more specific about the 'beautiful defaults'?
[07:58] <darian2k> stvn cool :)
[07:59] <darian2k> what is the diffrence between ubuntu and debian
[07:59] <darian2k> one friend of my say "its more like knoppix"
[07:59] <bob2> delire: when you finish the install, you boot to gdm, then login...sudo is setup automatically, you're in the audio, video, cdrom, etc groups...the panel has a battery applet if you're on a laptop, wireless strength indicator if you have it...
[07:59] <darian2k> he mean that for example eject run undernormal user
[07:59] <darian2k> is that right
[07:59] <bob2> darian2k: no, it's not like knoppix
[07:59] <delire> bob2: nice nice
[07:59] <stvn> darian2k: but you might want to manually check if the ubuntu versions are installed if you want a real ubuntu system, since sarge has quite some packages which have higher versions than the ubuntu ones
[08:00] <delire> bob2: speaking of wireless, any look toward auto-detction of centrino chipsets?
[08:00] <darian2k> would it be some xfce version of ubuntu?
[08:00] <bob2> delire: yes, it will even install over it if you want
[08:00] <bob2> darian2k: xfce4 is in ubuntu, yes
[08:00] <delire> bob2: fantastic, so stable has a precompiled ipw2*00?
[08:01] <darian2k> great
[08:01] <bob2> delire: yes
[08:01] <delire> hmm, nice again
[08:01] <darian2k> bob2, i have think that only gnome28 in ubuntu
[08:01] <bob2> delire: ubuntu's kernels includes drivers for just about everything in the universe
[08:01] <shawnr> Using remote desktop on my Ubuntu machine and apparently it's a program called Vino that does it. I would really like to change the default port to something else as it worries me to have the default. I have no idea how to change it and I've speent hours looking... Anyone know?
[08:01] <bob2> darian2k: by default it usesd gnome, but you can install xfce4 if you want
[08:01] <stvn> darian2k: gnome28 is the default - and a very good default it is, but other (major) DEs do exist as well
[08:01] <darian2k> bob2 n1ce
[08:02] <delire> what is the stable kernel version in ubuntu?
[08:02] <bob2> delire: 2.6.8.1
[08:02] <delire> shit great
[08:02] <darian2k> im a sys admin - and all our server runs know under debian
[08:02] <delire> that's what i run
[08:02] <bob2> with a wholoe lot of patches and extra drivers
[08:02] <darian2k> know i will testing ubutunu
[08:02] <delire> hehe coolness. becoming more interested
[08:02] <bob2> shawnr: you want to change thedefault port for security reasons?
[08:02] <darian2k> first for workstations
[08:02] <darian2k> later for server
[08:03] <darian2k> got ubuntu make a special server version=?
[08:03] <delire> bob2: and do you have any warnings/pointers when considering using debian's repositories?
[08:03] <bob2> darian2k: ubuntu includes a full set of common server apps on the cd
[08:03] <bob2> delire: don't do it
[08:03] <CaMPiNo16> hi everybody
[08:03] <schweeb> there's not really much reason to install ubuntu on a server yet IMO
[08:03] <delire> bob2: how many packages in ubuntu?
[08:03] <bob2> delire: universe has almost everything from sid (tho from june)
[08:03] <shawnr> I got disconnected did anyone answer my question??
[08:03] <darian2k> apache or XAMPP
[08:04] <darian2k> for example
[08:04] <delire> bob2: right..
[08:04] <bob2> 04:02 < bob2> shawnr: you want to change thedefault port for security reasons?
[08:04] <delire> bob2: who the hell maintains all these?
[08:04] <shawnr> exactly
[08:04] <CaMPiNo16> anybody know when wen recived ubuntus?
[08:04] <bob2> delire: ~1400 in supported, 10 000 in universe
[08:04] <bob2> shawnr: that doesn't really help
[08:04] <bob2> CaMPiNo16: end of november
[08:04] <CaMPiNo16> but i live in spain
[08:04] <PandU> what is the command to display attached usb devices
[08:04] <shawnr> no? I guess they could just scann right...
[08:04] <bob2> schweeb: six monthly releases and 18 months of security updates is a good sell for me
[08:05] <CaMPiNo16> so later
[08:05] <bob2> schweeb: yes
[08:05] <bob2> PandU: lsusb
[08:05] <bob2> CaMPiNo16: end of november
[08:05] <CaMPiNo16> end of novembre of uk??
[08:05] <bob2> shawnr: yes
[08:05] <CaMPiNo16> fr sry
[08:05] <Kamion> delire: they're maintained in Debian and we apply further maintenance to Ubuntu (fix some Ubuntu-specific things and some general bugs, depending on what's needed)
[08:05] <darian2k> bob2,  what is with usb devices - run that like red hat's core3 or core2
[08:05] <bob2> CaMPiNo16: you will probably get yours at the end of november, like everyone else
[08:05] <darian2k> i mean i put usb on an then they mount my usb-stick
[08:05] <shawnr> k thanks makes sense...
[08:05] <bob2> darian2k: right
[08:05] <delire> bob2: does universe improve on dependency issues encountered in debian unstable?
[08:05] <schweeb> bob2: as long as your crucial apps are in supported... woody/sarge have security updates as well
[08:05] <bob2> darian2k: gnome-volume-manager does that
[08:06] <delire> Kamion: right.. interesting approach
[08:06] <bob2> schweeb: sarge did not until like last week
[08:06] <darian2k> bob2, now im hot like chilli of ubuntu
[08:06] <darian2k> :)
[08:06] <bob2> or does it still not have them?
[08:06] <Kamion> delire: in warty, we have not been maintaining universe particularly actively
[08:06] <darian2k> it shows like a great disti
[08:06] <schweeb> it's had them for at least a month afaik
[08:06] <Kamion> delire: that'll hopefully improve, but it needs community help; the core team doesn't have time
[08:06] <delire> Kamion: right..
[08:06] <bob2> schweeb: ok, then for the 27 months between woody's release and last month, you've had no choice but woody
[08:06] <darian2k> bob you think ubuntu is the first real version of
[08:06] <delire> does Ubuntu use x.org or the stock XFree?
[08:06] <darian2k> debian|desktop
[08:06] <darian2k> ?!
[08:06] <bob2> delire: xfree86 4.3 + a big pile of patches
[08:07] <darian2k> will ubuntu use anaconda in futhure?
[08:07] <delire> right..
[08:07] <bob2> darian2k: I think it's a very big step towards a debian I could give my family to use
[08:07] <darian2k> could i help !?
[08:07] <schweeb> and testing/sid are actually pretty damn stable and up to date as long as you don't get overzealous with dist-upgrades
[08:07] <PandU> bob2, i tried lsusb as root it seems to hang, I have ausb hard disk i wont to mount i tried sda and sda1 but to no avail
[08:07] <delire> can someone give me an example of the command line approach to installing a package?
[08:07] <tolle_> Hmms, how do i get apache to use perl cgi files the way they should be used, instead of just showing the contents of the file.
[08:07] <darian2k> i will them now!!! download faster :)
[08:07] <bob2> PandU: is it formatted as ntfs?
[08:07] <Kamion> darian2k: anaconda> unlikely
[08:07] <bob2> delire: apt-get install foo
[08:08] <stvn> darian2k: anaconda is considered as installer, but I think it's not yet decided, nor aimed at hoary
[08:08] <Kamion> darian2k: possible, but unlikely; we have d-i expertise on-staff and no anaconda expertise
[08:08] <bob2> schweeb: but testin and sid have no security updates
[08:08] <mxpxpod> does anyone here know of mplayer ubuntu debs for powerpc?
[08:08] <PandU> bob2, Its VFAT
[08:08] <delire> bob2: i dislike synaptic, largely because in debian it b0rkes my dependencies. what do you use on a day to day basis?
[08:08] <bob2> tolle_: they should run by default if they're .cgi and executable
[08:08] <bob2> PandU: it should be mounted as you plug it in then...how up to date are you?
[08:08] <bob2> delire: aptitude.
[08:09] <delire> ok
[08:09] <tolle_> bob2: hmms, maybe i just lack the support for perl files in apache then..
[08:09] <schweeb> the packages themselves are updated as holes are found... may not be /quite/ as fast of a fix, but it's still there... and like I said, if your server package isn't supported in main, you're /not/ getting ubuntu security updates on it
[08:09] <darian2k> on openBSD or debian etc. homepages it give a page which have some logos, banners etc. from the disti
[08:09] <delire> what is Ubuntu's policy on non-free packages?
[08:09] <bob2> tolle_: you don't need support for that to run cgi scripts
[08:09] <bob2> delire: they go in multiverse
[08:09] <darian2k> how i could find some ubuntu logs and so
[08:09] <tolle_> bob2: strange then..
[08:09] <darian2k> delire, great question
[08:09] <delire> bob2: right.. is there an option to use multiverse on install?
[08:09] <PandU> bob2, what do you mean by uptodate i have just installed the release ver
[08:09] <stvn> darian2k: check the wiki, it's there, i've seen it
[08:10] <darian2k> oki thx
[08:10] <bob2> schweeb: yes...I much prefer running ubuntu and knowing that security fixes will be available immediately isntead of some possibly distant point in the future as with sarge
[08:10] <darian2k> im shot awy
[08:10] <bob2> delire: I don't think so
[08:10] <stvn> darian2k: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork
[08:10] <bob2> PandU: ok.
[08:10] <delire> ok
[08:10] <bob2> PandU: try asking on the ubuntu-users list then, it should Just Work
[08:10] <darian2k> stvn, THX
[08:10] <darian2k> :)
[08:11] <Honningmusen> I can't install Ubuntu. I'm using the install CD, but I get the message "unable to load some modules".. The modules are: agpgart, 8139too, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy... What can I do?
[08:11] <delire> debian uses 'apt-get upgrade' to do a global package upgrade. what is the ubuntu equivalent?
[08:11] <stvn> delire: the same
[08:11] <bob2> Honningmusen: are you sure the cd burnt ok?
[08:11] <delire> ok..
[08:11] <PandU> bob2, What could the device name be other than sda sda1
[08:11] <bob2> PandU: tail -f /var/log/messages
[08:11] <bob2> PandU: then plug it and watch what it's called
[08:11] <stvn> delire: or actually they suggest synaptic, but apt-get works just as well
[08:12] <tolle_> bob2: then, what could i have forgotten to do since it just shows the contents of the file when i browse to the cgi file..
[08:12] <Honningmusen> Im downloading another ISO just to make sure.. But on a 512KB line it takes a lot of time :s
[08:12] <darian2k> could i install ubuntu on a ext. usb hdd-device
[08:12] <bob2> tolle_: is the file executable?
[08:12] <darian2k> without patching kernel or something
[08:12] <stvn> Honningmusen: you could check the md5sum of the iso you already downlaoded
[08:12] <bob2> Honningmusen: you can just check the md5sum...
[08:12] <dgiagio> is ubuntu suitable for servers? i guess it installs X and stuff by default, which is not quite good in this case
[08:12] <Honningmusen> can't remember how to do that i windows :o(
[08:13] <bob2> dgiagio: if you choose the "custom" install option, it doesn't install X
[08:13] <dgiagio> bob2 nice
[08:13] <darian2k> could i install ubuntu on ext. hdd-dvevice (on usb) ?
[08:13] <darian2k> without patching kernel or something?
[08:13] <Honningmusen> Then my new question must be: How do I check that the MD5SUM i correct (running XP) ?
[08:14] <bob2> darian2k: you probablyl can, but you'd have to do some manual fiddling
[08:14] <delire> eek
[08:14] <tolle_> bob2: yepp
[08:14] <darian2k> bob2, thx
[08:14] <darian2k> :)
[08:14] <bob2> tolle_: and called something.cgi? and in the cgi-bin dir?
[08:14] <bdale> I don't see anything in the faq or wiki about nvidia graphics drivers.  Am I missing it?
[08:14] <bob2> darian2k: if you manually mount the drive, you should be able to install it
[08:14] <punkass_> if i do a iwconfig wlan0 shows me the essid and key are set, then run ifup wlan0, it doesnt connect, then i check iwconfig again..and the key is no longer set
[08:14] <bob2> bdale: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[08:14] <bdale> bob2: thanks
[08:15] <punkass_> any thoughts ?
[08:15] <tolle_> bob2: not in the cgi-bin dir.
[08:15] <darian2k> thanks all
[08:15] <tolle_> bob2: but in the folder for the "application"
[08:15] <guardian> Welcome, guardian
[08:15] <tolle_> bob2: does that matter?
[08:15] <bob2> tolle_: did you enable execution on tha dir?
[08:15] <HWolf> Can anyone give me any pionters as to how to get my adsl-connection up?
[08:15] <bob2> tolle_: yes
[08:15] <treyh0> does gnome-cups-manager and -add have problems with parallel ports in Ubuntu?
[08:15] <bob2> HWolf: run pppoeconf
[08:16] <treyh0> i can add a printer as usb, but not parport, and if i switch it from usb to parport it crashes
[08:16] <bob2> assuming it's a pppoe connection
[08:16] <darian2k> got ubuntu better serverfiles for example apache with classPDF or something in that case
[08:16] <HWolf> bob2, pppoeconf hangs for me.
[08:16] <bdale> if anyone cares about such things, a link from the "official howto" page to the howto list in the wiki would help
[08:17] <bob2> bdale: hm, I'll have a look-see
[08:18] <HWolf> bob2, any alternatives to pppoeconf?
[08:19] <Honningmusen> How do I check that I have the correct ISO using MD5SUM ?
[08:20] <delire> in wintel? no idea. it's been years since i've touched wintel
[08:20] <bob2> this isn't a windows support channel
[08:20] <bob2> but google for md5sum.exe
[08:20] <stvn> Honningmusen: you know how to make md5sums in windows already? otherwise google for it
[08:21] <Honningmusen> thanks.. Google is my friend :D
[08:21] <stvn> Honningmusen: and the md5sums are listed at http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS
[08:21] <aardvark> md5sum [file] 
[08:21] <aardvark> will give checksum value
[08:22] <aardvark> verify against what ISO should be
[08:22] <Phoop> He;s at windows i think
[08:22] <HWolf> So, what do I do if pppoeconf hangs at detecting my devices?
[08:22] <bob2> file a bug
[08:23] <HWolf> :-S Can I get by it? get some different package, edit something manually?
[08:23] <Phoop> sudo cat suoders
[08:23] <Phoop> Ghee
[08:23] <Phoop> Damn bitchx; looks to much @ terminal
[08:23] <Phoop> ;x
[08:23] <bob2> you'd need to edit a bunch of files manually, but I don't know the exact details, sorry
[08:25] <HWolf> bob2, can I use like rp-pppoe?
[08:25] <bob2> I'm almost certain ubuntu's pppoe is rp-pppoe
[08:26] <HWolf> Sucks, well. I'll try google.
[08:26] <HWolf> Thanks.
[08:26] <darian2k> is ubuntu faster as debian?
[08:26] <bob2> HWolf: ask on the list
[08:27] <stvn> darian2k: feels like it, but no benchmark to back it up
[08:27] <punkass_> anyone have a dell D600 dial-up modem working
[08:27] <punkass_> with ubuntu of course..
[08:27] <darian2k> i test it
[08:28] <HWolf> darian2k: It feels faster, installation is easier, but I feel the boot is slower.
[08:28] <aardvark> darian2k: and ... ?
[08:28] <darian2k> i mean
[08:28] <darian2k> i will it test
[08:28] <darian2k> sorry my english sucks
[08:29] <darian2k> im a german
[08:29] <darian2k> man
[08:29] <darian2k> :)
[08:29] <aardvark> darian2k: my German is rusty  :P
[08:29] <ogra> darian2k: ubuntu-de ;=
[08:29] <ogra> ;)
[08:30] <darian2k> THX
[08:35] <weswh-> i just ran the install...started fine...chose language, location, etc. then it did the detecting hardware phase..and now i'm looking at a blue screen...
[08:36] <weswh-> is this common in the hardware detect phase...should i let it sit for a while (5 minutes, 10..etc?)
[08:36] <weswh-> or is there a way I can find out why I had an error
[08:37] <Honningmusen> While installing my computer says "failed to load some modules". I've tested the md5 and burnt a new CD, but I still get the problem.. How can I then install Ubuntu? I'm using the install-disk
[08:38] <punkass_> is there a howto on setting up a dialup connection?
[08:38] <stvn> weswh-: try alt-F2
[08:38] <stvn> Honningmusen: it doesn't continue with the instalation?
[08:38] <Honningmusen> nope
[08:38] <weswh-> yeah, i can get to the vc stvn
[08:39] <weswh-> (i couldn't last time)
[08:39] <Honningmusen> after the error message it hangs after 30 secs or so
[08:39] <weswh-> it detects hardware...spins up the cdrom like it's getting ready to do something..
[08:39] <weswh-> and that's it.
[08:39] <weswh-> now i'm in the vc - any advice?
[08:39] <weswh-> ah...
[08:39] <weswh-> nevermind. i've experience this problem before, ubuntu just made it farther than the other distros i have tried.
[08:39] <Pizbit> heh
[08:40] <weswh-> vc 2 gives the error readout i guess?
[08:40] <stvn> Honningmusen: any fancy hardware? SATA, RAID stuff like that?
[08:40] <Honningmusen> I am using the "expert" mode
[08:40] <Honningmusen> Nope.. I have Debian on the computer now.. It should work IMO
[08:40] <delire> does ubuntu have a /usr/share/doc ?
[08:41] <stvn> weswh-: vc2 produces most of the interesting readout indeed, I thought there was also something in vc3, not sure though
[08:41] <Pizbit> delire: Why wouldn't it?
[08:41] <stvn> delire: yeah it does
[08:41] <stvn> delire: just install the damn thing ;)
[08:41] <delire> Pizbit: some distro's don't
[08:41] <Honningmusen> The modules not loaded are: agpgart, 8139too, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[08:41] <stvn> Honningmusen: hm that's bad
[08:41] <Honningmusen> Very :s
[08:42] <delire> stvn: hehe settle settle. debian has been a happy bedroom for me for several years. keen to check out all the pro'scons
[08:42] <Honningmusen> But can't understand why Ubuntu can't find it, because I had no problems installing Debian
[08:42] <weswh-> i keep having a problem on this machine (pII400, ide generic stuff)...where whenever i put in a bootable linux cd, it gets to 'start kernel', and then does a Kernel Panic, Fatal Exception in Interrupt. In Intterupt handler - not syncing
[08:42] <Tyro> Hello All :)
[08:43] <delire> Honningmusen: maybe there is a single user mode and you can just modprobe them?
[08:43] <delire> Honningmusen: ahah, you're installing arent you ;)
[08:43] <weswh-> i've tried fedora, arch, and now ubuntoo - all the same result and error. common thread is the kernel...maybe this machine is having a problem booting 2.6?
[08:43] <weswh-> or 2.6 just doesn't like my hardware? do i have any recourse to this?
[08:43] <weswh-> or is the machine essentially just dead to any new linux distros?
[08:44] <stvn> weswh-: you could try to use the debian installer with kernel 2.4
[08:44] <Pizbit> weswh-: Could be something simple, tried googeling for your problem?
[08:44] <stvn> weswh-: it's quite easy to move to ubuntu from there
[08:44] <Honningmusen> delire: yes I'am.. Trying to at least :P
[08:44] <weswh-> piz - yeah, google...forums, etc. no luck.
[08:44] <delire> weswh-: sounds a little serious with interrupts not syncing however.
[08:44] <weswh-> right..
[08:44] <weswh-> but, the machine runs win2k fine..
[08:44] <weswh-> has for years.
[08:45] <stvn> Honningmusen: you said debian installed fine, was that the old or the new installer?
[08:45] <spiv_> weswh-: tried booting with noacpi, etc?
[08:45] <weswh-> so i can say that the hardware is fine. it's been a stable trustworthy box.
[08:45] <Kamion> Honningmusen: sounds like you're in expert mode, I don't think those warnings should be shown normally
[08:45] <weswh-> no i haven't - i will read the help on the ubuntu boot screen, try some of those
[08:45] <delire> weswh-: i'd turn off funky features in the bios and try again/
[08:45] <Kamion> Honningmusen: or that this is after a few rounds of errors
[08:45] <caleb_> "deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./"    if this line is in sources.list, what goes in Distribution and Section(s) field in Synaptic to have the eqivalent setup?
[08:46] <Kamion> Honningmusen: ah, yes, you said you were in expert mode. The UI of the expert mode is known to be poor; it's not what people are meant to use normally.
[08:46] <weswh-> delire - yeah, i've changed the bios up several times...as of right now it's restored to factory defaults other than boot order. (no virus protection, etc.)
[08:46] <Kamion> Honningmusen: can you ignore those warnings, carry on, and switch to tty2 and find out what it's doing during the 30 seconds when it hangs?
[08:46] <stvn> weswh-: tried any of the livecds?
[08:48] <Diavolo> hi people, i ve just installed ubuntu and i really like it, but i have the same problem that i had with debian
[08:48] <Diavolo> adsl ethernet connection configuration
[08:49] <Honningmusen> "TTY2" ?? What do you mean?
[08:49] <stvn> Seveas: ook al een lege pagina ;)
[08:49] <Honningmusen> Alt+F2 or what?
[08:49] <delire> yep
[08:49] <Diavolo> with any other distro i use "adsl-setup" and "adsl-start"
[08:50] <dgiagio> exit
[08:50] <Diavolo> i tried pppoeconf but it doens work
[08:51] <Diavolo> is there a debian package that provide adsl-setup that i can install on ubuntu ?
[08:53] <Honningmusen> I get: "Kernel panic: fatal exception in interrupt.. not synching"
[08:53] <benjanet> how do i change the gnome menu elemments ? was something like applicattions:///
[08:54] <Kamion> Honningmusen: ah, please file a bug on 'linux' with whatever you can transcribe off alt-f2 and alt-f4
[08:54] <weswh-> honning - same problems i've been having
[08:54] <weswh-> but, with several distros
[08:56] <Honningmusen> Damn.. I've looking forward to play with Ubuntu all day.. But got stuck after 3 screens, that sucks 2tm :S
[08:56] <aardvark> Honningmusen: stuck with ?
[08:57] <weswh-> honning - how old is your system?
[08:58] <weswh-> i was trying it on a PII400...and got the sync error. Then tried it on a Celeron 433...basically the same kind of box...but some hardware different...no problem.
[08:59] <aardvark> weswh-: I have it running on a PII...
[08:59] <Kamion> aardvark: we just did that :-)
[09:00] <aardvark> 400
[09:00] <punkass_> is there a command to scan my dialup modem? to find out what it is and the PCI ID etc??
[09:00] <Pizbit> punkass_: lspci might do it
[09:01] <Pizbit> You can always tack on a few -v :)
[09:01] <punkass_> that gives me a bit of info..but not pciID
[09:01] <Kamion> lspci -n
[09:01] <Subbie> punkass_: lspci ?
[09:01] <Kamion> correlate the numbers at the start of the lines between 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' to work out ID from name
[09:01] <Subbie> oh he already mentioned that hehe
[09:01] <punkass_> Kamion: ah thats got it..thanks
[09:03] <Honningmusen> weswh- I am running a PIII 1. GHz
[09:03] <weswh-> wish i knew the error
[09:03] <Honningmusen> Me2 :D
[09:03] <weswh-> but, it obviously isn't an ubuntu issue - with me at least.
[09:04] <weswh-> becuase i've tried 3 distros on this box
[09:04] <weswh-> fedora, arch, and ubuntu...all had the same error
[09:04] <weswh-> so..i think it's some kind of chipset/2.6 conflict
[09:04] <Subbie> weswh-: what happens?
[09:04] <Honningmusen> I think it is very odd, that I can run Debian, but not Ubuntu on the same box
[09:05] <matthew_> I've got a small problem, and i dont know nearly enough about Linux to able to fix it. I have just installed Ubuntu on partition 1 of my hard drive, with Windows XP on Partition 2. Being as though im new to Linux, i need to keep windows for awhile. when i turn on my computer, it automatically boots to Ubuntu, with no option to boot to windows XP. I"m very new to Linux (just used my first Linux OS yesterday), and if anybody could give me step by
[09:05] <matthew_> step instructions on how to make it so that i have the option to boot into windows xp as well each time i start my computer, it would be greatly appreciated.
[09:05] <weswh-> subbie - i get fatal kernel errors...with interrupt suncing issues
[09:05] <funkytwig> i have razor, apamassasin and evolution installed
[09:05] <funkytwig> should it just work?
[09:06] <punkass_> i am trying to use the Linuxant hsf modem drivers (and it says my PCI ID is suported) but i get after doing dpkg -i hsf-xxxxx.deb , ERROR: no device detected by hsf driver
[09:06] <Subbie> weswh-: sounds like a misconfigured kernel to me, could it be that maybe the autmoatic confiurations of those distros is the problem?
[09:06] <tuggy> evening
[09:06] <weswh-> or hardware detection issue..
[09:06] <weswh-> yeah
[09:07] <Subbie> weswh-: you could try using a live distrobution and chrooting and configuring the kernel by hand
[09:07] <matthew_> if anybody here has tried to dual boot ubuntu and windows xp, help would be greatly appreciated
[09:07] <stodge> Am I right in thinking that there's no Ubuntu package for getting Java working in Firefox?
[09:07] <stvn> matthew_: did you check the faq and/or wiki?
[09:07] <punkass_> Kamion: are you familiar with using winmodems?
[09:07] <kmdr_winebago> hi i try to install for the first time on an ibm thinkpad and the boot sequence freezes upon 'starting system log daemon. syslogd, klogd. please help
[09:07] <Subbie> matthew_: sounds like a grub config issue to me!
[09:08] <aardvark> matthew_: did u choose lilo or grub as startup manager during installation
[09:08] <aardvark> boot loader ?
[09:08] <matthew_> i dont recall having to choose
[09:08] <aardvark> grub
[09:08] <Subbie> matthew_: do you have a /boot/grub/ ?
[09:09] <matthew_> i just started this os at about 3 this morning, i know nothing about it yet
[09:10] <LeeColleton> does anyone know of a rescue cd that starts sshd by default?
[09:10] <matthew_> how do i find if i have boot/grub?
[09:10] <funkytwig> matthew: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, I thing that is where the default is set.  It is fairly near the top, one you have done changes do 'sudo grub-update'
[09:10] <LeeColleton> I have a computer with no monitor that has become unbootable.
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: i dont know if its started by default but knoppix has it, you would have to just do /etc/init.d/sshd start at most
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: ohhhh
[09:10] <funkytwig> matthew_: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, I thing that is where the default is set.  It is fairly near the top, one you have done changes do 'sudo grub-update'
[09:10] <matthew_> /boot/grub/menu.lst does not show up anywhere
[09:10] <stvn> matthew_: open a terminal, type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:10] <LeeColleton> Subbie, I guess I could modify sshd to start on boot...
[09:10] <LeeColleton> modify knoppix that is
[09:10] <matthew_> okay, so when ubuntu starts to load, i press escape
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: you or morphix
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: err yeah not you
[09:11] <matthew_> and then i press 'e' while the os is highlighted
[09:11] <Kamion> punkass_: not even a little bit
[09:11] <fl4me> I can't get any sound in my Creative Live soundblaster. I've just installed ubuntu, and I've never used linux before.
[09:11] <matthew_> and then i press e while the kernal option is highlighted
[09:11] <Subbie> LeeColleton: here's a list of a bunch of live distros
[09:11] <matthew_> and that is where i get lost
[09:11] <Subbie> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/LiveCD/
[09:11] <stvn> matthew_: don't do that, these edits are not saved
[09:11] <delire> are Ubuntu's release cycles defined by Gnome release cycles as much as anything else?
[09:11] <stvn> matthew_: just boot to linux, we start from there
[09:12] <matthew_> let ubuntu completely load?
[09:12] <stvn> matthew_: yes
[09:12] <Kamion> delire: let's say "informed by"
[09:12] <funkytwig> fl4me: try right clicking on the speaker and select 'Open Volume Control' the speaker volume is probably down.
[09:12] <matthew_> ok, thats where ive been going wrong
[09:12] <matthew_> where do i enter these commands?
[09:12] <stvn> matthew_: nothing, grub was probably wrong in not recognising your windows setup
[09:13] <fl4me> funkytwig; where is the speaker ? :-p
[09:13] <matthew_> uh huh, and i need to make it recognise it
[09:13] <funkytwig> delire: they are six-monthly
[09:13] <funkytwig> fl4me: the icon top right next to date
[09:13] <matthew_> so now that i know i need the system to be booted, where do i enter the commands?
[09:13] <stvn> matthew_: yes, but we can do that from linux
[09:14] <fl4me> Ok. I'll try it. Thanks, funkytwig.
[09:14] <unperson> Hi.  I just read about Ubuntu.  It sounds like a pretty cool project.  I've been using Debian testing for a while and I'm pretty happy with it, but I've felt that packages don't always work together as smoothly on the desktop as you would like.
[09:14] <matthew_> do i go to system tools>terminal?
[09:14] <unperson> So I've often wished someone would put together and configure a set of them that just work, and it looks like that's what Ubuntu kind of does.
[09:14] <funkytwig> unperson: give us a for example
[09:15] <stvn> matthew_: yes
[09:15] <stvn> matthew_: in the terminal type sudo update-grub
[09:15] <delire> Kamion: so not being a gnome user this might be a bane..
[09:15] <Kamion> delire: why?
[09:15] <Honningmusen> Which CD is for install? The how-to guide says: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/preview/warty-i386.iso .. But how about the ones from the download site: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso ??
[09:15] <matthew_> ok, and do you happen to know the complete list of what i would type to get windows xp to show up as a boot option when i start my computer?
[09:16] <funkytwig> unperson: thats the general idea ;)
[09:16] <matthew_> it asks for a password, but will not let me enter
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: no, since I don't know your computer ;), but once you boot to ubuntu you can log in here again and we can work it out
[09:16] <Kamion> delire: Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution, but you don't have to use it; GNOME's release cycles are rock-solid reliable so it doesn't matter that our six months happen to be synced to GNOME's six months
[09:16] <Honningmusen> As far as I can see, the guide refers to an older version than 4.10
[09:16] <delire> Kamion: a major upgrade would be defined by gnome release dates. 1/3 of your devel team is of gnome origin no?
[09:16] <unperson> funkytwig, Well, for example, getting a web browser mailto link to open a tab in an already running browser rather than a) spawning a new instance of the same browser or b) a completely different "default browser".
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: it's your normal password
[09:16] <Kamion> Honningmusen: use the latter URL
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: and you don't see that you type it, but you do ;)
[09:16] <Kamion> Honningmusen: what document gives the preview one?
[09:16] <matthew_> oh
[09:16] <Honningmusen> Thats the one I have tried
[09:16] <Honningmusen> This one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[09:17] <Kamion> delire: does that matter? you can consider it to be defined by the calendar if you like ... :-)
[09:17] <matthew_> ok, its updated
[09:17] <delire> Kamion: i guess you're right ;) semantic perhaps
[09:17] <unperson> funkytwig, Or all these different programs dealing with sound in a different way, OSS, ALSA, etc.
[09:17] <Kamion> Honningmusen: ah, thanks, I'll fix that
[09:17] <stvn> matthew_: did you happen to see if it said that it found windows?
[09:17] <Kamion> Honningmusen: use warty-release-install-i386.iso
[09:17] <unperson> funkytwig, Usually you can make it work, but getting all your software on the same page is a real chore.
[09:17] <Honningmusen> np
[09:17] <funkytwig> unperson: I think opening a new browser is deliberate - in windows when using IE it sometimes looses the page you had and replaces it
[09:17] <stvn> matthew_: btw could you type stvn: at the beginning of each line when you talk to me, it's easier for me to see it ;)
[09:17] <matthew_> it doesnt say it found windows
[09:18] <funkytwig> new browser stops this happening
[09:18] <matthew_> yeah, sorry
[09:18] <kensai> I have installed mplayer-custom from apt and does not start from the menu neither xmms
[09:18] <matthew_> stvn:matthew@matthew:~ $ sudo update-grub
[09:18] <matthew_> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
[09:18] <matthew_> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst .
[09:18] <matthew_> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[09:18] <matthew_> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:18] <matthew_> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[09:18] <stvn> matthew_: ok, do you know where your windows partition is located? disc /partition
[09:18] <delire> Kamion: some debian users worry that ubuntu isn't a good choice as it may branch further and further from debian over the years, eventually evolving into a mutual exclusivity on the level of some basic debian administration tools and methods. what are your intentions/sentiments?
[09:18] <stvn> matthew_: it's not polite to paste here
[09:18] <funkytwig> unperson: I find the integration works very well - a lot of the time stuff just works - expecialy sound - video - CD burning.
[09:19] <matthew_> stvn:im sorry, im new to everything
[09:19] <unperson> funkytwig, You're talking about which distro now?
[09:19] <stvn> matthew_: no problem
[09:19] <matthew_> stvn: windows is located on partition 2
[09:19] <aardvark> stvn: what if he tries to mount the XP partition to verify that it is there
[09:19] <Kamion> delire: is this an interview? :)
[09:19] <stvn> aardvark: smart thinking
[09:20] <funkytwig> unperson: most linux distros - I was just kind of guessing why it opens a new browser - I suppose a new tab would be better
[09:20] <stvn> matthew_: can you do sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:20] <delire> Kamion: no, when i release software, i release it for debian, and so this is of some interest ;)
[09:20] <unperson> funkytwig, yes.
[09:20] <unperson> funkytwig, Well, it took me a while to get everything working correctly when I switched from OSS to ALSA.
[09:20] <delire> Kamion: i am not just a user..
[09:20] <Kamion> delire: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship is probably better than anything I can write in IRC
[09:20] <matthew_> stvn: it didnt do anything
[09:21] <delire> Kamion: ok cool.. thx
[09:21] <unperson> funkytwig, My point is really that because debian aims for a lot of flexability, things can't be set by default to interact in the best way.
[09:21] <stvn> matthew_: no errors, good ; does ls /mnt give anything?
[09:21] <unperson> funkytwig, Because "the best way" depends a lot on what you have installed.
[09:21] <funkytwig> unperson: all I can say is that since I have installed Ubuntu I have has the best set up Linux distro ever and it hass been very painless;)
[09:22] <unperson> funkytwig, I like the idea of having a distro where the default stuff works painlessly, and you have the option to stray off the beaten path (and take the consequences) if you like.
[09:22] <Kamion> delire: we're very much hoping not to create interoperability problems
[09:22] <matthew_>  /svnt: nope
[09:22] <funkytwig> unperson: I guess one of the things about Ubuntu is they try to choose one of eatch type of app and install it by default
[09:22] <unperson> right
[09:22] <delire> Kamion: well i'm very impressed anyway. another reason i'm here is my girlfriend and i have just bought two laptops. also i will am looking for a desktop-debian branch to install on 30 machines in the uni i will be teaching at in a few months
[09:22] <aardvark> stvn: XP uses NTFS would this not be issue when mounting using VFAT ? should throw errors
[09:22] <unperson> Sounds like a good philosphy.
[09:23] <stvn> matthew_: sure there were no errors when you did it?
[09:23] <matthew_> svnt: ok, the last command worked, it was a matter of a missed space
[09:23] <funkytwig> unperson: It all depends on if you agree with there choices
[09:23] <stvn> aardvark: should throw error
[09:23] <matthew_> svnt: it gave me a lot of information
[09:23] <stvn> matthew_: does it look like windows partition to you?
[09:23] <funkytwig> unperson: so do I ;)
[09:24] <matthew_> svnt: it seems to be telling me how to mount a device, not information on the actual device
[09:24] <unperson> I have one question, after reading about it.  Presumably it's likely one might decide to add some other debian packages from the "universe" section.  Is it possible to make sure security updates for those packages will get done with apt-get upgrade?
[09:24] <delire> Kamion: having a 2.6.8.1 kernel as 'stable' is brave and excellent.. being a multimedia kernel et al. speaking of which does it use alsa or OSS by default? what about things like the framebuffer and DRI?
[09:24] <stvn> matthew_: ah ok
[09:25] <stvn> matthew_: try mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:25] <delire> does Ubuntu come with the 2.6.8.1 sources *and* .config?
[09:25] <aardvark> stvn: he should veirfy with df -k
[09:25] <Kamion> Honningmusen: fixed, thanks
[09:25] <delire> sorry 'kernel 2.6.8.1'
[09:26] <funkytwig> unperson: thats a very good question, i'me not sure.  One for the mailing list I guess
[09:26] <matthew_> svnt:only root can do that
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: pass, you'd have to ask somebody who doesn't concentrate almost exclusively on the installer
[09:26] <stvn> matthew_: ah sorry, sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:26] <funkytwig> delire: ALSA
[09:26] <stvn> aardvark: it's not yet mounted
[09:26] <delire> funkytwig: excellent
[09:26] <delire> Kamion: ok..
[09:26] <stvn> matthew_: btw it's stvn not svtn ;)
[09:26] <aardvark> svn: yes I meant once he did so
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: get the linux-source-2.6.8.1 source package, the .config is in debian/config/
[09:26] <stvn> aardvark: ah yes
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: or look in /boot/config-*
[09:27] <stvn> aardvark: ls works as fine, because you can see the content
[09:27] <aardvark> stvn: sure..
[09:27] <matthew_> stvn: it says "arent you trying to mount an extended partition instead of some logical partition inside?"
[09:28] <matthew_> my partition type must be ext
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[09:28] <unperson> funkytwig, Ah.  Well, it's a moot point for now, as my desktop system is a notebook, and I read that notebook support isn't really there yet in Ubuntu.
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: but don't change anything or save anything in that program
[09:28] <matthew_>  aha, there we go
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: and can you tell me which one has ntfs or vfat?
[09:29] <unperson> funkytwig, Which is understandable, since that seems to be quite difficult and the distro is pretty new.
[09:29] <unperson> funkytwig, I was interested, though, and will keep my eye on it.
[09:29] <matthew_> stvn: hda5 (instead of 2, my bad) is ntfs
[09:29] <stvn> matthew_: good
[09:29] <Kamion> unperson: where'd you read that?
[09:29] <Kamion> unperson: laptop support's a huge goal
[09:29] <stvn> matthew_: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:30] <Kamion> unperson: it does depend slightly on the laptop, of course ...
[09:30] <unperson> Kamion, I read it in a review I saw on K5.  I was predisposed to belieive it for the reasons I just mentioned.
[09:30] <stvn> heh
[09:31] <aardvark> stvn: good call...
[09:31] <matthew_> stvn:ok
[09:31] <aardvark> establish valid partition first
[09:31] <stvn> :)
[09:31] <matthew_> stvn:says no such file or directory
[09:32] <stvn> matthew_: check the file name, safest way is using tab completiong
[09:32] <stvn> eg: sudo gedit /bo<tab>/gru<tab>/menu<tab>
[09:33] <aardvark> stvn: or simply go inti gedit and do open file then navigate to file
[09:33] <aardvark> into I meant
[09:33] <unperson> Kamion, My particular laptop is a Dell Inspiron 2500, a spectacular POS with some hardware that's poorly supported in any distro.
[09:33] <stvn> aardvark: yeah should work as well
[09:34] <stvn> aardvark: but sudo is important though
[09:34] <matthew_> stvn:ok, it still said that but it opened a window
[09:34] <aardvark> stvn: aah yes I forgot
[09:34] <Kamion> unperson: fair enough
[09:34] <aardvark> matthew_:  is the window blank
[09:34] <unperson> Kamion, the review in question:  http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/9/28/211242/712
[09:34] <Erix> ubuntu made me love gnome which i didn't ever like to use.
[09:34] <matthew_> no, theres information on it
[09:34] <aardvark> good
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: good, does it say # menu.lst on the first line?
[09:35] <matthew_> yes
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: good, scroll down to examples
[09:35] <matthew_> ok
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: there is one for windows
[09:35] <matthew_> there
[09:35] <matthew_> yup
[09:35] <roberto_> i need you help with flash plugin and java
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: remove the 4 #'s
[09:35] <kmdr_winebago> bastards! the web page said i can get help here. this is the 3rd time i post a message and no one says nothing. i am moving over to the competition, devils in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:36] <stvn> before title, root, makeactive and chainloader
[09:36] <HWolf> I got my pppoe working, but it seems all networking requests get send to eth0 rather than ppp0, how can I set that right?
[09:36] <matthew_> stvn: and how do i do that
[09:36] <stvn> matthew_: with the delete key ;)
[09:36] <roberto_> have brazilians in the chat????????/
[09:36] <matthew_> this is just a read only text file, right?
[09:36] <stvn> matthew_: it's a text editor so you can use normal editing keys
[09:37] <matthew_> oops, im sorry
[09:37] <matthew_> you're correct
[09:37] <aardvark> matthew_: its like notepad in windows
[09:37] <matthew_> ok, thats done
[09:37] <kmdr_winebago> ok i got it. i think i'm invisible. bastardoes, anyway
[09:37] <stvn> matthew_: chenge the line (hd0,0) to (0,4)
[09:38] <stvn> to (hd0,4)
[09:38] <matthew_> 0,4 or 0,5?
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: (hd0,4)
[09:38] <matthew_> ok
[09:38] <aardvark> 0,4 as count start at 0
[09:38] <matthew_> done'
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: grub starts counting at 0 whereas partitions start at 1 (very confusing)
[09:38] <matthew_> oh
[09:38] <matthew_> i see
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: scroll up and check if there is a # before hiddenmenu
[09:39] <matthew_> 2 of them in fact
[09:39] <stvn> matthew_: and 2 lines down?
[09:39] <matthew_> none
[09:39] <stvn> add one
[09:40] <matthew_> ok, done
[09:40] <stvn> if you scroll up more you see the line default 0
[09:40] <matthew_> yup
[09:40] <sabmoc> where can i get the fireflies screensaver from?
[09:40] <stvn> matthew_: 0 will boot to windows and 1 to linux by default, you always have 10seconds to chose during boottime
[09:41] <stvn> matthew_: so if you prefer it to boot to windows by default leave it 0 otherwise change it to 1
[09:41] <stvn> matthew_: after that save the file
[09:41] <matthew_> so windows is the default right now, if i were to reboot it would go into windows if i didnt choose
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: yep
[09:42] <matthew_> so i should be all set right now
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: if you have saved the file, do once again sudo update-grub
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: check if you see windows mentioned
[09:43] <delire> thanks everyone, very tempted to give it run for it's money. keep it up
[09:43] <stvn> that'll be a short run I guess ;)
[09:43] <aardvark> give what a run for it's money ? as in comparison ?
[09:44] <stvn> aardvark: ubuntu compared to debian
[09:44] <Honningmusen> Anybody who got ANY idea, why my installation hangs with the error-message: kernel panic: fatal exception interrupt... syncing
[09:44] <Honningmusen> In export mode I get the notice: Some modules failed to load
[09:44] <matthew_>  stvn: im not seeing it
[09:45] <stvn> matthew_: you saved the file first?
[09:45] <matthew_> yes
[09:45] <Kamion> Honningmusen: as I said, it's a kernel bug, please file it
[09:45] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <Kamion> the expert mode errors are not significant
[09:46] <Honningmusen> Ok then.. I'll try with my poor english :P
[09:46] <stvn> matthew_: hm, maybe it doesn't show it at all, it doesn't appear here when I try with a fake windows boot
[09:46] <stvn> matthew_: try a reboot and see if the option is listed
[09:47] <matthew_> ok
[09:47] <matthew_> i'll be right back
[09:47] <stvn> i hope os
[09:48] <Kamion> Honningmusen: component name is 'linux'
[09:48] <Kamion> Honningmusen: do try to transcribe as much of the error output on alt-f4 as you can
[09:48] <Kamion> at least the stuff that looks like the kernel crashing
[09:48] <Ascareg> anyone tried building packages for Ubuntu? I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing to parse the files in "pkgdir/debian" into "pkgdir/DEBIAN" so dpkg-deb is happy
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: nooooo, don't try to use dpkg-deb by hand!
[09:49] <Honningmusen> Thanks.. I have my server in one room and my desktop in another.. I'm running a lot around.. No more excersises this week :D
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot, then use 'debuild'
[09:49] <Ascareg> Kamion: oops :-) I don't package too often on Debian, and this is my first shot on Ubuntu
[09:49] <Kamion> (or dpkg-buildpackage, but debuild's fractionally friendlier)
[09:49] <Ascareg> Kamion: ahhh.... debuild... nice, thank you much
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: debian/rules is the main controlling script
[09:51] <matthew_> stvn: windows is listed, but will not boot
[09:51] <Ascareg> Kamion: right, got that part from looking at other source packages. Thanks
[09:52] <stvn> matthew_: with what error?
[09:52] <matthew_> that i was not smart enough to write down
[09:53] <stvn> matthew_: hm, check in sudo cfdisk /devhda if the bootable flag is on
[09:53] <stvn> /dev/hda
[09:53] <stvn> matthew_: you only have 1 windows partition on all your disks, right?
[09:54] <matthew_> i windows, 1 linux
[09:54] <matthew_> it says this disk is currently in use
[09:55] <stvn> matthew_: eh?
[09:55] <matthew_> and then "Use the --no-reread flag to suppress this check."
[09:56] <matthew_> ok, i typed sfdisk instead of cfdisk
[09:56] <matthew_> my bad
[09:56] <stvn> ah
[09:56] <matthew_> disregard that last part
[09:56] <stvn> matthew_: be carful with typos in linux ;)
[09:56] <stvn> careful even
[09:56] <matthew_> for sure
[09:56] <matthew_> ok, where would it say if the bootable flag is on
[09:57] <stvn> matthew_: underneath flags
[09:58] <matthew_> ok, i just pressed enter while haveing bootable highleighted on hd 5, and now it says "boot" under flags
[09:58] <matthew_> there was nothing under either one before that
[09:58] <stvn> hm
[09:59] <stvn> matthew_: hang on a minute
[09:59] <matthew_> ok
[10:00] <stvn> anyone, does grub need a bootable linux partition to work, or can it function on a disk with only a bootable windows partition (according to cfdisk)?
[10:00] <stvn> matthew_: I'm not entirly sure, and I don't want to render your system unbootable ;)
[10:00] <matthew_> ok
[10:01] <matthew_> this bootable flag thing, what does it do
[10:01] <stvn> matthew_: it should tell the computer what partitions are bootable, but i'm amazed that cfdisk doesn't say that the linux one is bootable
[10:01] <Kamion> I've certainly used grub where the partition containing its menu.lst etc. wasn't bootable
[10:02] <Kamion> I think it matters more to Windows than to Linux
[10:02] <stvn> Kamion: thanks, thought so
[10:02] <Kamion> make sure you have a fallback option in case I'm wrong, though
[10:02] <matthew_> well, my next course of action (stupid or not) is going to be to select windows as being bootable
[10:02] <stvn> indeed, thinking of one
[10:03] <stvn> matthew_: be sure and put both on bootable
[10:03] <Johnnny> Hi! Im thinking of installing Ubuntu on my old world mac (beige g3).. the faqs say ubuntu doesnt support old world machines. Is it possible to install ubuntu with bootx?
[10:03] <matthew_> the fs type for the linux partition (which is the primary) is linux ext3
[10:03] <matthew_> does that mean anything?
[10:03] <stvn> matthew_: that's ok
[10:04] <matthew_> ok, so i have to put bootable flags on both linux and windows
[10:04] <aardvark> stvn: the worst it that XP is no longer bootable because of MBR being gone, this can be rebuilt using the XP CD and doing a rescue procedure on the XP installation... if this is XP Pro then its available else not
[10:04] <matthew_> its xp pro
[10:04] <aardvark> good
[10:04] <stvn> matthew_: you can organise your data on you hard disk in different ways, fat32(vfat) and ntfs are common windows ones, whereas linux has ext2/ext3, reiserfs,xfs and a few more
[10:04] <matthew_> and i just reinstalled it last night
[10:05] <Kamion> Johnnny: unknown. You're welcome to try ... :-)
[10:05] <stvn> matthew_: if you put the boot flags, write it to the disk
[10:05] <matthew_> even though it says it might destroy data
[10:05] <stvn> matthew_: you didn't change anything but the boot flags?
[10:06] <matthew_> correct
[10:06] <stvn> matthew_: than it's safe
[10:07] <matthew_> ok, it says "more than one primary partition is marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this
[10:07] <Johnnny> Kamion: I think i will, bootx works with debian so it just might work with ubuntu :)
[10:07] <matthew_> and there is the root of my problem
[10:07] <Kamion> Johnnny: don't you have to use floppies with BootX, or can it handle CDs?
[10:07] <stvn> matthew_: right, ok we'll go trial and error from here, been too long since I had windows installed
[10:07] <matthew_> if i mark XP as being bootable, i should still be able to boot Linux, the problem is that windows doesnt like to share
[10:08] <stvn> matthew_: indeed, try that
[10:08] <Kamion> Johnnny: if it can handle CDs, it may just about be possible, although you'll have to take some care at the end of the install process to avoid installing yaboot and arrange to be able to boot using BootX
[10:08] <stvn> matthew_: as long as grub is the one running the show you can always get into linux
[10:08] <tom__> hello?
[10:08] <aardvark> stvn: but won't this negate GRUB  ?
[10:08] <Johnnny> Kamion: It can handle cd:s, just needs a macos to boot from.. So i lose about 200Mb diskspace for os9
[10:08] <stvn> aardvark: nope, since it wasn't there in the first place
[10:08] <tom__> I was wondering how I can get the default music player to handle MP3s, can anyone help me?
[10:08] <Honningmusen> Kamion: I have tried to describe my problem now.. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2773 .. Is that ok?
[10:08] <Kamion> Johnnny: ok, let me know if you succeed
[10:09] <matthew_> it says "wrote partition table, but re-read table failed"
[10:09] <stvn> tom__: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:09] <Johnnny> Kamion: will do!
[10:09] <Kamion> Honningmusen: is it possible to transcribe the text that makes no sense to you?
[10:09] <Kamion> Honningmusen: it may be critical for a developer to figure out where the crash is
[10:09] <stvn> matthew_: aj, sudo cfdisk /dev/hda again please
[10:10] <Honningmusen> It looks a lot like the one line i have quoted
[10:10] <Kamion> Honningmusen: that doesn't matter
[10:10] <tom__> thanks stvn ^^
[10:10] <stodge> Is there an older verison of gettext for Ubuntu? The one installed (0.14.1-2) doesn't seem to work with Anjuta
[10:10] <matthew_> ok, done
[10:10] <stvn> matthew_: on second thought, it's not that bad
[10:10] <Honningmusen> But I'll be glad to help.. Should I just add another bug or can i edit the one I have pasted?
[10:11] <tom__> stvn: actually, how do you download addititional S/W packs?
[10:11] <Kamion> Honningmusen: you can add a comment, use the comment box
[10:11] <matthew_> stvn: oh, it was bad in the first place?
[10:11] <Honningmusen> doh :D I'll do that then
[10:11] <Kamion> Honningmusen: I realise it's tedious to copy a crash dump of the screen, but it will probably be necessary here :(
[10:11] <stvn> tom__: with synaptic: computer>>system tools>>synaptic
[10:11] <Kamion> "off the screen", I mean
[10:11] <stvn> matthew_: i thought it was, but than tested it here, it requires a reboot
[10:11] <tom__> ahh, thanks again^_^
[10:11] <matthew_> ohhhh
[10:12] <matthew_> so you want me to reboot?
[10:12] <stvn> tom__: you need to add repositories though
[10:12] <stvn> matthew_: wait, where is your linux partition located
[10:12] <Honningmusen> Maybe it will help me getting my Ubuntu to work.. As far as I understand you.. The "call trace" is very critical to correct the error..
[10:12] <tom__> er, how do Ido that?
[10:13] <tom__> 0.0
[10:13] <matthew_> im not sure of the location
[10:13] <matthew_> how do i find out?
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: open synaptic
[10:13] <Kamion> Honningmusen: at least from what I can gather from your report, yes
[10:13] <tom__> did that
[10:13] <tom__> kk
[10:13] <stvn> matthew_: sudo cfdisk again
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: it's under settings
[10:13] <Kamion> Honningmusen: the kernel has fallen over in a messy heap, and the call trace says where it went wrong
[10:13] <tom__> settings>repositories then?
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: yep
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: enable the universe
[10:13] <matthew_> stvn: done
[10:13] <tom__> stvn: thanks :)
[10:13] <matthew_> see nothing about locatuon
[10:13] <Honningmusen> Ok.. thanks for your help so far.. I'll start typing now.. See you in 10 minutes or so :D
[10:13] <matthew_> location*
[10:14] <stvn> aardvark: /dev/hda5 is ntfs, what is the other one?
[10:14] <tom__> erm, which do I need again?
[10:14] <stvn> matthew_: /dev/hda5 is ntfs, what is the other one?
[10:14] <matthew_> ext3
[10:14] <stvn> matthew_: and what /dev ?
[10:14] <stvn> tom__: you read the webpage?
[10:15] <tom__> well, sorta >.<
[10:15] <tom__> ok, going back now
[10:15] <tom__> eheh
[10:15] <stvn> tom__: search for gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:15] <matthew_> not sure what you mean
[10:15] <stvn> tom__: in synaptic
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: oh sorry it doesn't say /dev
[10:15] <matthew_> hda1, if thats what you mean
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: what name is before the ext3
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: right
[10:16] <matthew_> Linux ext3
[10:16] <matthew_> Primary part. type
[10:17] <stvn> matthew_: ok you can reboot and see if it works
[10:17] <tom__> d/lling universe now ^^
[10:17] <tom__> thanks
[10:17] <matthew_> ok. if im not here in ten minutes, im shopping for a new computer
[10:17] <stvn> np
[10:17] <stvn> matthew_: hehe
[10:17] <tom__> might as well get the whole thing right?
[10:17] <stvn> tom__: eh... I hope you pressed the reload button
[10:17] <tom__> yep ^^
[10:17] <matthew_> btw, how do i add this room to a list of favorites, for easy access?
[10:18] <stvn> tom__: oh ok, that's good
[10:18] <matthew_> im using x-chat
[10:18] <tom__> lol what did you think i did, just sit there and twiddle mi thumbs
[10:18] <tom__> hehe
[10:18] <stvn> matthew_: can't help you there, never used x-chat
[10:18] <tom__> not THIS time, specifically
[10:18] <matthew_> oh, ok
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: I think he was wondering if you were downloading *all* of universe. :-)
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: reload just downloads the index files
[10:18] <tom__> well, yeah ^^;
[10:18] <tom__> why not?
[10:18] <matthew_> i'll just have to hope i can get back here
[10:18] <stvn> indeed
[10:18] <tom__> I have room
[10:18] <tom__> er, I think
[10:18] <tom__> how bg is it?
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: uh, order of 20GB I think
[10:19] <tom__> @_@
[10:19] <tom__> well, have more room than that anyways ^^
[10:19] <stvn> tom__: hence the question
[10:19] <tom__> ok, changed it back lol
[10:19] <stvn> tom__: yeah but it might have taken some time and didn't plan to wait for that ;)
[10:19] <Kamion> tom__: it's not really useful to download all the packages, though.
[10:19] <Kamion> unless you're setting up a mirror suite
[10:20] <Kamion> er, site
[10:20] <tom__> if I un-check them
[10:20] <tom__> and reload again
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: oh no
[10:20] <tom__> no?
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: reload only gives you the overview of all available packages, not the packages them selves
[10:20] <tom__> I've been screwed out of 20 GB!?
[10:20] <tom__> ohhhh
[10:20] <tom__> nvm ^^;;
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: so you need to switch on the repository and press reload to get the overview of the packages
[10:21] <tom__> phew^^
[10:21] <tom__> then d/l the one that HAS it?
[10:21] <stvn> tom__: the overview is 2MB or something
[10:21] <stvn> tom__: than you search for the package that has it (search for gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:23] <talon906> i apologize for being an extreme linux noob, but how do I determine what version of ubuntu is installed?
[10:23] <ogra> talon906: currently there is only one
[10:23] <socomm> talon906: ctl+alt+F1
[10:23] <stvn> talon906: remember alt-f7
[10:23] <stvn> socomm: was considering to suggest that, but it's not nice to do if you don't know alt-f7 ;)
[10:24] <socomm> talon906: yeah alt+F7 gets you back to the WIMP side of the tracks.
[10:24] <talon906> okay it says ubuntu 4.10 "warty warthog" so I'm not running a pre-release
[10:24] <littlepaul> talon906, less /etc/issue
[10:24] <ogra> talon906: no
[10:24] <talon906> thanks
[10:24] <tom__> not finding anything, lol
[10:24] <stvn> tom__: search for gstreamer
[10:24] <tom__> gstreamer0.8-mad, right?
[10:25] <tom__> just gstreamer?
[10:25] <tom__> in that case
[10:25] <stvn> yeah
[10:25] <tom__> I get lots of stuff
[10:25] <stvn> tom__: check now manually if you see -mad
[10:25] <tom__> nope
[10:25] <tom__> no mad
[10:25] <stvn> tom__: you did enable universe?
[10:25] <tom__> yeah
[10:26] <tom__> the 4 repositories and everything
[10:26] <tom__>  there are  a bunch of results
[10:26] <tom__> nono of them end in -mad though
[10:26] <matthew_> stvn: ok, no luck but i did happen to get an error message, and when i looked to edit the windows boot up, it did not say "title windows" at the top
[10:26] <spiv_> tom__: Did you update your package list after adding the repositories?
[10:26] <tom__> yeah
[10:27] <tom__> is it only 3 other ones?
[10:27] <tom__> because I have 4 total added
[10:27] <tom__> I think the site said 3
[10:27] <spiv_> main, restricted, universe, multiverse?
[10:27] <tom__> one second
[10:27] <stvn> matthew_: what was the error?
[10:28] <tom__> I'm  just going to add them all, except for the security ones lol
[10:28] <stvn> tom__: do add security
[10:28] <tom__> found it ^^
[10:28] <matthew_> stvn: error 12: invalid device requested
[10:28] <tom__> do I need to dl stuff from there, too?
[10:28] <stvn> matthew_: ah ok, hm
[10:29] <ogra> tom__: if you want a secure system
[10:29] <ogra> tom__: with no secu. bugs
[10:29] <tom__> hmm, couldn't hhurt ^^
[10:29] <tom__> how will I know which ones to dl?
[10:29] <tom__> ro just all of them?
[10:30] <matthew_> ok, how do i get back to that text document?
[10:30] <matthew_> i swear i have alzheimers
[10:30] <Honningmusen> Kamion: I have added the complete call trace: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2773
[10:30] <ogra> tom__: use the  "mark upgrades" button....synaptic will care
[10:30] <stvn> matthew_: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:30] <tom__> care?
[10:30] <stvn> matthew_: you did get a choice right?
[10:31] <ogra> tom__: what to update :)
[10:31] <tom__> oh, and do I JUST need the -mad one then?
[10:31] <matthew_> yup
[10:31] <tom__> ahh, I see ^^
[10:31] <tom__> because I found it
[10:31] <tom__> do I need any others?
[10:31] <ogra> tom__: for mp3 mad is enough
[10:31] <tom__> ok, thanks ^^
[10:31] <tom__> oh one last thing
[10:31] <tom__> what does it mean when there as a star it one of the check boxes?
[10:31] <tom__> there are a bunch of those
[10:31] <tom__> reccomeneded?
[10:32] <stvn> matthew_: good
[10:32] <spiv_> tom__: It means there's an upgrade available, iirc.  Right click on it, and it will tell you what the status is.
[10:32] <matthew_> xp is the same thing as nt/2000 correct?
[10:32] <ions> hey people :)
[10:32] <spiv_> (Or rather, right-click, and look at properties...)
[10:32] <stvn> matthew_: can you do msudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt
[10:32] <ogra> tom__: yep for update
[10:32] <stvn> sudo not msudo
[10:32] <ions> I lost my Internet connection by doing some apt-get updates
[10:33] <Kamion> Honningmusen: thanks, I'll let Herbert take it from here
[10:33] <tom__> so it means that it is an update for something you already have installed?
[10:33] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971&posted=1#post6971  <-see what I did here
[10:33] <stvn> matthew_: more or less
[10:33] <matthew_> i only ask because it doesnt list xp on that text document
[10:34] <matthew_> ok, a window labled "mnt" has been opened
[10:34] <ogra> tom__: yes, use the "mark upgrades" button.....
[10:34] <stvn> matthew_: good, does it look like your C drive?
[10:34] <tom__> ohh IC
[10:34] <matthew_> it says there's nothing on it
[10:34] <tom__> so the ones with no star
[10:34] <tom__> are new programs?
[10:34] <matthew_> 0 items
[10:35] <matthew_> i happen to know i do not have 0 items
[10:35] <stvn> matthew_: hm
[10:35] <stvn> matthew_: do sudo ls /mnt
[10:35] <ogra> tom__: if the kernel (linux-****) gets upgraded you shoud reboot afterwards
[10:35] <matthew_> there must be something wrong with the other partition, but i was using it last night no problem
[10:35] <ogra> tom__: uninstalled programs
[10:35] <tom__> how do I know if that happened?
[10:35] <matthew_> ok, did that
[10:36] <ogra> tom__: the upgrade ?
[10:36] <stvn> did it give anything?
[10:36] <tom__> if kernel was upgraded?
[10:36] <ions> anyone know why doing an upgrade would cause net to fail?
[10:36] <tom__> heheh, kernel is such a funny word :D
[10:36] <stvn> ions: you did apt-get upgrade and *not* apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:37] <matthew_> yup: config. msi: Dell  documents and settings: pagefile.sys   Program Files: Recycler   System Volume information: WINDOWS
[10:37] <ions> I did - apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get upgrade
[10:37] <ogra> tom__: try the "mark all upgrades" then select smart-upgrade, afterwards klick apply
[10:37] <wm_eddie> another reason why people should not use apt-get!
[10:37] <ogra> tom__: synaptic shows whaz it wants to install
[10:37] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971&posted=1#post6971  <- it was recommended
[10:37] <tom__> so only the reccomended ones are applied?
[10:37] <tom__> and they ave star
[10:38] <tom__> so like, it will install the ones with a star?
[10:38] <stvn> ions: tried reboot
[10:38] <spiv_> ions: It depends on what packages got upgraded...
[10:38] <stvn> matthew_: good
[10:38] <stvn> matthew_: so your data is still there ;)
[10:38] <ions> nnrebooting does nothing - still fails
[10:38] <ogra> tom__: only the ones for upgrade and some that are essentially needed by them
[10:38] <tom__> ok, think I got it
[10:38] <matthew_> stvn_:good to know
[10:38] <tom__> thanks for the help :)
[10:38] <tom__> very kind
[10:39] <ogra> ubuntu
[10:39] <matthew_> only problem is getting to it
[10:39] <tom__> anyways
[10:39] <tom__> thx ^^
[10:39] <stvn> matthew_: did you do any repartitioning?
[10:39] <stvn> matthew_: live repartitioning that is
[10:40] <matthew_> i have reformated once before last night
[10:40] <matthew_> live? nope
[10:40] <ions> running dhclient listed a bunch of stuff then ended with: no DHCPOFFERS received
[10:41] <spiv_> ions: Sounds like it might be a problem on the dhcp server end..?
[10:41] <ions> I use the same ISP (the box that has failed is my neighbours)
[10:42] <ions> I'm having no probs
[10:43] <matthew_> stvn_: is there anything else i can try?
[10:43] <matthew_> other than resorting to a baseball bat?
[10:43] <stvn> matthew_: searching ATM
[10:44] <stvn> matthew_: somehow it doesn't recognise your windows partition as valid
[10:44] <matthew_> right
[10:47] <stvn> hm
[10:47] <stvn> matthew_: if you open cfdisk again, the ntfs partition is still bootable?
[10:47] <matthew_> it says so, yes
[10:48] <matthew_> ok, under label it has [] , whereas linux does not
[10:48] <matthew_> does that mean anything?
[10:48] <stvn> nah
[10:49] <matthew_> ok
[10:49] <matthew_> if i were to delete the windows partition...would i have this problem next time? assuming i use ntfs format
[10:50] <stvn> matthew_: how do you mean?
[10:50] <stvn> matthew_: if you delete the windows partition you don't have windwos (and no problems booting it ;)
[10:50] <matthew_> whoops, i didnt mean delete the partition
[10:50] <matthew_> i meant reinstall it
[10:50] <matthew_> but no, that wouldnt work anyways
[10:51] <matthew_> i would have to delete the partition, and use a format it recognized
[10:51] <stvn> matthew_: there's this howto http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:52] <stvn> matthew_: not sure about it though, I remember having a grub based dual boot on XP and debian, so I don't think the howto is right
[10:54] <Subbie> grub should ealy be able to boot both windows XP and linux
[10:54] <Subbie> you just have to add a chainloader entry to it for the windows partition
[10:54] <HWolf> Can someone help me get my network connection working. I'm timing out on eth0 while ppp0 is up.
[10:54] <matthew_> chainloader +!
[10:54] <matthew_> +!
[10:54] <matthew_> +1, that is
[10:56] <stvn> matthew_: you did remove the # in front of that, right?
[10:56] <stvn> Subbie: it's just that it doesn't :(
[10:56] <matthew_> i checked, and i will check again, but yeah
[10:57] <stvn> matthew_: can you paste the bit between # Examples and # title Linux in #flood please?
[10:58] <ogra> HWolf: looks like a routing prob.... type route in a terminal and look what it says
[10:58] <matthew_> the bit between examples and title linux
[10:58] <matthew_> it goes like this:
[10:58] <matthew_> #
[10:58] <HWolf> orga, can you give me some general pionters, since I'd have to reboot every time to report back to irc...
[10:58] <matthew_> examples
[10:58] <matthew_> #
[10:58] <matthew_> title windows
[10:59] <stvn> matthew_: i asked to paste in in #flood ;)
[10:59] <HWolf> To be exact, eth0 has an internal network IP adress, while ppp0 comes up with my external IP, and thus outside connection.
[10:59] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6991#post6991 <- :\
[10:59] <ogra> HWolf: ok so better tell me more  about your setup
[10:59] <theduck> hello
[10:59] <liten> any ide when hoary will be ready for testing?
[11:00] <matthew_> there is no #flood here
[11:00] <ogra> HWolf: eth0 = fixed ip ?
[11:00] <stvn> matthew_: /join #flood
[11:00] <stvn> matthew_: it's an irc channel escpecially for pasting large text
[11:00] <HWolf> no, it's the internal IP. I'm in a student building, and there is a 100mbit fibre connection here.
[11:00] <HWolf> Outbound, I need to log on with my ISP's user/pass.
[11:01] <ogra> HWolf: so eth0 == dhcp, ppp0 == dhcp ?
[11:01] <HWolf> Yup
[11:01] <ogra> hmm
[11:01] <HWolf> I have no clue about the hardware, no modem here, just a plug in the wall.
[11:01] <liten> but why do you need to use both?
[11:01] <theduck> I'm new to this how can I contact you from your website ie (contact us?)
[11:02] <ogra> HWolf: do you know the gateway address of the internal net ?
[11:02] <HWolf> liten, I don't care. I just want internet, ran pppoeconf, and this is what I ended up with.
[11:02] <liten> HWolf: hehe, ok
[11:02] <theduck> I have a tutor. But he's not always here
[11:03] <liten> i guess it is pppoe then, else you would not be here :P
[11:03] <HWolf> I'm here on winblows. :-S
[11:03] <theduck> who?
[11:03] <liten> ok, what what kinda connection does it use?
[11:04] <theduck> later
[11:04] <HWolf> It's a 100mbit fibre, prolly using some adsl protocol
[11:04] <HWolf> I got it to work using rp-pppoe under Gentoo.
[11:04] <liten> HWolf: just check in your control panel
[11:04] <liten> HWolf: ok.. then its pppoe i guess .P
[11:05] <HWolf> Now if I remove ethernet eth0 in my control panel, firefox gives an error. If I add it, it just times out.
[11:06] <HWolf> However, in ifconfig ppp0, the information is right, I've got an IP addy etc.
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: can you browse to an IP i.e. 82.211.81.130 would be my first try.....(if yes dns is broken)
[11:07] <HWolf> I'd have to reboot to linux and try.
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: next i'd check the routing ....
[11:08] <HWolf> but I don't think so, either I was able to ping www.google.com, or not at all.
[11:08] <stvn> matthew_: interesting article ( http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00908.html ) basically says that windows is confused over the linux instalation
[11:08] <ogra> HWolf: there should be a route for each IF and a defaultroute at least
[11:08] <stvn> matthew_: it gives a solution, but I cannot vouch for data-safety, but the command is: sudo  sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sudo sfdisk --no-reread -H255 -C14593 /dev/hda
[11:08] <HWolf> ogra, you lost me.
[11:09] <matthew_> ok
[11:09] <matthew_> i have nothing to lose
[11:09] <stvn> matthew_: I don't think it's harmful, I ran it myself and didn't seem to corrupt anything, but then I don't have windows
[11:10] <ogra> HWolf: hmm
[11:11] <HWolf> I feel like ppp0 is up, but ubuntu is trying to use eth0.
[11:11] <ogra> HWolf: i still belive it's likely routing stuff
[11:12] <matthew_> stvn: that seperator you have after the first line, how do i type that
[11:12] <HWolf> ogra, give me something to try, so I can reboot, try it, and get back here.
[11:12] <stvn> matthew_: it's above my \ key, if you don't have it type the second line later
[11:12] <dborges> hi
[11:13] <stvn> matthew_: oh hm, do try to use the | key
[11:14] <matthew_> i dont have it
[11:14] <matthew_> oh wait
[11:14] <matthew_> i do
[11:14] <stvn> good
[11:16] <matthew_>  ok, ive got some information
[11:16] <matthew_> back to the flood room?
[11:17] <stvn> k
[11:24] <Burgundavia> stvn: what does your grub.conf say?
[11:24] <HWold> ogra, I owe you one.
[11:24] <stvn> Burgundavia: it's not mine, it's someone elses I try to help, but the conf etc are good
[11:25] <stvn> Burgundavia: it apparently gives a error 12 device invalid
[11:25] <cj_> can any one tell me where to find the java plug in needed for yahoo msngr :)
[11:25] <stvn> cj_: gaim can do yahoo-msngr
[11:25] <cj_> cool
[11:26] <cj_> thanks mate
[11:26] <stvn> matthew_: any luck?
[11:26] <matthew_> afraid not
[11:26] <matthew_> same story
[11:26] <stvn> damn
[11:27] <matthew_> im going to enter that command again
[11:27] <matthew_> because it did say reboot
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: ladst attempt: change in /boot/grub/menu.lst the line in the windows setup from (hd0,4) to hd0,1)
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: no need
[11:27] <matthew_> ok
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: if that doesn't work, i'm all out of ideas
[11:28] <cj_> thanx agan stvn i been beatin my head about it for an hour this my brothers sys i dun know linux well u saved me a lot of headache
[11:28] <matthew_> its ok, if nothing else, i got a linux lesson
[11:28] <stvn> cj_: no probs
[11:28] <stvn> matthew_: anyway why use windows ;)
[11:28] <stvn> matthew_: but still it's annoying, it'll prolly bug me for the rest of the week :(
[11:29] <matthew_> sorry
[11:29] <matthew_> it bugged me all last night, i didnt go to bed until 5:30
[11:32] <talon906> how do u install an rpm on ubuntu?
[11:32] <Kamion> use alien to convert it to a .deb, then pray a lot
[11:32] <talon906> lol
[11:33] <Kamion> if you can find an equivalent package in universe, that's much better
[11:33] <Kamion> you can't install RPM packages directly
[11:33] <talon906> it's an as400 client access rpm from IBM
[11:33] <Kamion> ah, alien is probably your only hope then
[11:33] <talon906> once converted to .deb where do I place it
[11:33] <talon906> and install it?
[11:33] <Burgundavia> anywhere
[11:34] <sabdfl> night all
[11:34] <Burgundavia> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <stvn> night sabdfl
[11:34] <Burgundavia> where package.deb is your package
[11:34] <talon906> thanks Burgundavia
[11:35] <Burgundavia> np
[11:39] <talon906> the file has been converted to .deb however it appears to be locked
[11:39] <talon906> when I run sudo dpkg -i file.deb, it reports status database area is locked by another process
[11:40] <stvn> talon906: close synaptic, aptitude or any apt related application
[11:40] <ogra> talon906: close synaptic ;)
[11:40] <ions> so when Ubuntu loses it's net connection do I have to reinstall?  I'm not finding a single solution
[11:41] <ogra> ions: did it ?
[11:41] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6991#post6991 <- sorry to slap you with a url but it's explained well there
[11:41] <talon906> that did it, thanks
[11:41] <ogra> ions: your post says nothing, i just looked at it give more info....
[11:42] <ions> like what?
[11:42] <ogra> ions: what kind of conn i.e. ;)
[11:42] <ions> cable
[11:42] <ions> no router
[11:43] <ogra> ok,
[11:43] <ogra> ions: same cablemodem on both setups ?
[11:43] <iotc247> hello anyone know why i keep failing to install at the base install? i get to the info file and then it fails.
[11:43] <ions> no, different modems
[11:44] <iotc247> anyone?
[11:45] <ogra> ions: so, first possible caveat
[11:45] <ions> it worked fine before I did the apt-gets
[11:46] <iotc247> Anyone?
[11:47] <Kamion> iotc247: "the info file"?
[11:47] <Kamion> bah!
[11:47] <stvn> heh, some are just too impatiant
[11:47] <MyKq3> what can i do if i install a package and the package don't run after i installed it  ( with aptget) for e.g. i installed freeciv but when i execute "freeciv" nothing happen ...
[11:47] <Kamion> 'dpkg -L freeciv' and look through the contents of the package for what to do
[11:48] <ogra> ions: did you recognize what got updated ?
[11:48] <Kamion> except in this case it'll be one of freeciv-client-*
[11:48] <ions> no, I just ran the command - I assumed they were safe
[11:48] <ions> first time using apt
[11:48] <Kamion> MyKq3: try 'civclient-gtk'
[11:48] <MyKq3> Kamion,  i can read it on the synaptic ....
[11:49] <ogra> stvn: <stvn> heh, some are just too impatiant
[11:49] <stvn> ogra: tre
[11:49] <stvn> true
[11:49] <Kamion> might need civserver too, not sure exactly how freeciv works
[11:49] <ogra> *g*
[11:49] <ogra> ions: did you reboot ?
[11:49] <ions> in that first thread I started about admining the machine via ssh I asked if there were things I should be aware of
[11:49] <theantix> in freeciv1 you'll need civserver, but not in the upcoming freeciv2
[11:49] <MyKq3> Kamion,  :))) i have ^^ no use .... ( and remmber that i mantion it for a e.g. i don't have problems only with freeciv  )
[11:49] <ions> yes - did reboot
[11:49] <stvn> I just hate it to give ppl a bad trip with linux
[11:50] <Kamion> MyKq3: yes, dpkg -L is usually a good way to find what's in the package
[11:50] <theantix> freeciv2 is sweet, by the way -- can't wait for them to iron the final bugs out
[11:50] <MyKq3> theantix,  yeah me too
[11:51] <ogra> ions: what does "route" say ?
[11:51] <ions> I dunno - haven't tried that
[11:51] <tom__> seem to be having a problem with synaptic ^^;
[11:51] <stvn> tom__: like?
[11:51] <ions> the machine is next door so I have to run over there everytime I try something
[11:51] <tom__> everytime I try to open it, I get an error message:
[11:52] <stvn> ?
[11:52] <ions> what should I be looking for "route" to say ogra ?
[11:52] <tom__> Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:52] <tom__> adn a bunch more like it
[11:52] <stvn> tom__: press the reload button
[11:52] <tom__> K
[11:52] <ogra> ions: there should be a line starting with "default" and one line for the interface
[11:53] <tom__> hmm.. most of it worked
[11:53] <stvn> tom__: except?
[11:53] <tom__> got another error though:
[11:53] <tom__> Could not download all repository indexes
[11:53] <tom__> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[11:53] <ogra> ions: and ahve a look at ifconfig....there should be an ip address anywhere
[11:53] <mirak_> ummmm.....is something wrong with the repositories??
[11:53] <tom__> not just me then?
[11:53] <stvn> tom__: did you add repositories by hand?
[11:53] <mirak_> lol
[11:53] <ions> yeah there is an IP listed in ifconfig
[11:54] <tom__> well, if you mean settings>repositories
[11:54] <tom__> did that
[11:54] <ogra> tom__: settings->repos, uncheck the cdrom line
[11:54] <tom__> K
[11:54] <ogra> tom__: referesh afterwards
[11:54] <ions> brb - I'm gonna run over there and try "route"
[11:54] <ogra> ions:k
[11:54] <mirak_> i havent even used my computer since the last time i used synaptic.....well i used synaptic, then about 5 mins later...i got off
[11:54] <stvn> tom__: if you only used synaptic, just remove the cdrom and reload, it shopuld be fine
[11:55] <mirak_> i cant acces any repositories
[11:55] <tom__> ohh, well the disc is STILL in ^^;
[11:55] <tom__> and wasted so many before I burned one right :D
[11:55] <tom__> unRARed the iso image somehoe 0.0
[11:55] <stvn> hehe
[11:55] <tom__> heeh, classic wn n00b eh
[11:56] <tom__> well, my friend suggested I go back to linux
[11:56] <tom__> so
[11:56] <stvn> nah, don't know many n00bs who know how to unrar ;)
[11:56] <MyKq3> okay when i do dpkg -L freeciv  for e.g. i get all the path were the package had been installed ... but how can i execute it  ?
[11:56] <tom__> ohhhh, so that means I'm not a TOTAL noob then :)
[11:56] <stvn> tom__: heh
[11:57] <stvn> tom__: ubuntu is a good linux to start with anyway
[11:57] <mirak_> tom__, is your problem fixed?
[11:57] <tom__> seems that way
[11:57] <mirak_> tom__, what did you do?
[11:57] <tom__> but, it worked before, WITH the disc in, how come now I got this error
[11:58] <tom__> unchecked cdrom from repos
[11:58] <tom__> even tho disc was in
[11:58] <mirak_> hmm....ill try that......mine used to work with the disk out
[11:58] <tom__> do I need the CDROM repos for anything?
[11:58] <stvn> tom__: no
[11:58] <tom__> or is that stuff I have already?
[11:58] <tom__> wow
[11:58] <tom__> such a great community :)
[11:58] <stvn> :)
[11:59] <mirak_> umm....still busted
[11:59] <tom__> ehehe
[11:59] <stvn> mirak_: eh?
[11:59] <mirak_> stvn, i cannot acces the repositories
[11:59] <Zubthemaster9> so it not just me then!!
[11:59] <mirak_> lol
[11:59] <stvn> mirak_: you can however access internet, http and ftp pages?