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| pitti | mdz: ^ | 12:00 |
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| pitti | mdz: but I think since we don't have NMUs in Ubuntu, this scheme should not clash with regular uploads | 12:00 |
| mdz | pitti: this is not an easy question | 12:00 |
| mdz | -2ubuntu0 << -2woody1, for example | 12:01 |
| mdz | which is what the Debian security team would use | 12:01 |
| pitti | mdz: right, but we don't use woody version numbers, do we? | 12:01 |
| pitti | mdz: well, _if_ we update a woody version, then we need to think about a different scheme | 12:01 |
| pitti | -2woody1ubuntu0.1 | 12:01 |
| === pitti shakes | ||
| pitti | would be consistent, but ugly | 12:02 |
| pitti | but I think that won't happen very often | 12:02 |
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| pitti | mdz: okay, I uploaded glibc (#2743) and imagemagick (#2769) | 12:04 |
| pitti | mdz: gee, we urgently need version (or at least distribution) tracking in our bts | 12:07 |
| mdz | pitti: you are learning the pain of security :-) | 12:07 |
| === lamont_r chuckles | ||
| pitti | mdz: I left the bug open for now (normal/target Hoary) until I upload them to hoary | 12:07 |
| pitti | mdz: but I think I deal with Hoary when I fixed all other security bugs | 12:08 |
| pitti | mdz: that okay for you? | 12:08 |
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| mdz | pitti: yes | 12:10 |
| mdz | pitti: I highly recommend keeping your own todo list | 12:10 |
| mdz | separate from bugzilla | 12:10 |
| pitti | mdz: in any case | 12:10 |
| mdz | pitti: fortunately sarge sorts below ubuntu :-) | 12:11 |
| pitti | mdz: and etch, too :-) | 12:11 |
| mdz | it should become part of our automated upgrade testing to ensure that this doesn't occur | 12:12 |
| pitti | mdz: and at the time etch is actually released, I'm grandfather | 12:12 |
| === pitti hides | ||
| pitti | mdz: you mean it does not occur that our updates sort below the current Debian stable? | 12:12 |
| mdz | pitti: not only the current Debian stable, but anything that we support upgrades from | 12:12 |
| mdz | woody->warty is a supported upgrade path | 12:13 |
| mdz | so warty must be > woody | 12:13 |
| lamont_r | mdz: I thought sarge would do 1.sarge... | 12:13 |
| mdz | I believe we checked at one point | 12:13 |
| mdz | and all of the packages in warty/main had higher version numbers than woody | 12:13 |
| mdz | which is fortunate | 12:13 |
| lamont_r | mdz: that won't always be true, you know... | 12:14 |
| mdz | lamont_r: right, but we should ensure that it is true at release time | 12:14 |
| mdz | until we fix this awful version number problem once and for all | 12:14 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, gaim was missing | 12:15 |
| pitti | mdz: according to my log, I already uploaded gaim to the security queue, but it is not yet in the security packages file | 12:16 |
| lamont_r | mdz: Just thinking of the case where sarge happens to release just before the grumpy upstream version freeze, or some such.. :-( | 12:16 |
| pitti | mdz: I just checked all my logs, gaim is the only security upload I forgot about in above list | 12:17 |
| mdz | pitti: the security queue is different from the normal upload queue | 12:17 |
| mdz | pitti: packages do not automatically go into the archive via security | 12:17 |
| mdz | they must be processed by hand | 12:17 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, that's why I'm asking whether it is still present | 12:17 |
| mdz | gaim | 1:1.0.0-1ubuntu1.1 | source amd64 i386 powerpc | 2 days old | 12:17 |
| pitti | mdz: or whether I somehow forgot to actually upload | 12:17 |
| pitti | ah, okay | 12:18 |
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| pitti | mdz: I prepared the first USN for gs-common, of course the package list is still missing. | 12:22 |
| pitti | mdz: http://www.piware.de/usn-gs-common.txt , could you please have a short look? | 12:22 |
| mdz | pitti: great | 12:22 |
| mdz | certainly | 12:22 |
| mdz | pitti: the date should be right-justified | 12:22 |
| mdz | but I think amber should do that for you now | 12:23 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, amber also creates this template? | 12:23 |
| pitti | mdz: I just copied the template from the website, where it is not justified at all | 12:23 |
| pitti | mdz: fixed | 12:23 |
| mdz | pitti: yes, amber will give you a template to be filled in | 12:24 |
| pitti | very nice | 12:24 |
| mdz | the website stuff is cut-and-waste from the emails I sent | 12:24 |
| pitti | I prepare the stuff for the other packages and send them out as soon as I get the amber mail | 12:24 |
| pitti | Probably not today any more, I'm exhausted and it's late | 12:25 |
| pitti | and libc6 will take a while to build (took 4 hours on my machine) | 12:25 |
| elmo | pitti: 30 mins in the DC :) | 12:25 |
| pitti | elmo: okay, okay, you have better machines to play with :-) | 12:26 |
| jbailey | pitti: How many passes is that? | 12:26 |
| elmo | hmm, actually, it's 30 i386, 43 powerpc, 48 amd64 | 12:26 |
| pitti | jbailey: pardon? | 12:26 |
| elmo | pitti: how many different versions of glibc do you build for giggles | 12:27 |
| jbailey | pitti: processor/thread combinations. In Debian on ia32, we usually have 3 (386-linuxthreads, 386-nptl, 686-nptl) | 12:27 |
| pitti | I just tried it on my desktop (686) | 12:27 |
| pitti | but I thought debuild would build them all? | 12:28 |
| jbailey | 4 hours just seems awful high. | 12:28 |
| pitti | I remember seeing much of the build log parts more than once | 12:28 |
| elmo | jbailey: it's stock Debian source, so it'll be whatever debian does for 386 | 12:28 |
| elmo | s/stock/pretty-much \1/ | 12:28 |
| pitti | jbailey: I don't have the fastest machine, though :_) | 12:29 |
| === azeem once compiled glibc on 400 MHz notebook for Debian GNU/Hurd. It sucked. | ||
| mdz | pitti: since we only upload source, it is important to test the binaries which are built by the buildds | 12:31 |
| mdz | at least one arch | 12:31 |
| jbailey | azeem: Debian GNU/Hurd takes about 4 times as long in my experience. I usually leave 3 hours on my 1.8ghz p4. | 12:31 |
| pitti | mdz: that's why I compiled the stuff and tested it, and why it took so long until I actually asked for approval :-) | 12:31 |
| jbailey | (for linux) | 12:31 |
| mdz | pitti: hm? | 12:32 |
| jdub | yo jbailey | 12:32 |
| mdz | pitti: the binaries built by the buildds | 12:32 |
| azeem | jbailey: it definetely wasn't 12 hours on my 1.8ghz p4 | 12:32 |
| azeem | (on Hurd) | 12:32 |
| jbailey | g'morning Jeff. =) | 12:32 |
| pitti | mdz: ah, I see | 12:32 |
| azeem | more like 5 or 6 | 12:32 |
| pitti | mdz: sorry, confused | 12:32 |
| jbailey | azeem: We do 3 passes on i386, though. On the Hurd we only do one. | 12:32 |
| azeem | ah :) | 12:32 |
| jdub | mdz: how'd the meeting go? i fell asleep late last night putting pipka to bed | 12:46 |
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| seb128 | hello jdub | 12:46 |
| jdub | pants off seb128 | 12:46 |
| seb128 | :) | 12:46 |
| mdz | jdub: which one? CC? | 12:46 |
| jdub | yeah | 12:46 |
| mdz | it went pretty well, I was in and out a bit at the end | 12:46 |
| mdz | jdub: mako has transcript and is preparing a summary | 12:46 |
| jdub | cool | 12:46 |
| mako | jdub, mdz: am planning on finishing that one tonight | 12:50 |
| pitti | mdz: I have all USNs ready. I need some sleep, I will send them out tomorrow (when the amber mails hopefully arrived) | 01:05 |
| pitti | Good night everybody! | 01:05 |
| mdz | pitti: wait | 01:07 |
| pitti | mdz: still here | 01:07 |
| mdz | pitti: the amber mails will not arrive until I run amber | 01:07 |
| mdz | and the advisories should go out immediately after that | 01:07 |
| mdz | glibc does not seem to be built yet | 01:07 |
| jdub | daniels: around? | 01:08 |
| pitti | hmm, is there an approximate ETA? | 01:08 |
| pitti | mdz: I can stay up for another hour, if necessary | 01:08 |
| mdz | pitti: elmo is making some adjustments to amber | 01:12 |
| mdz | pitti: which ones are you ready to send out? | 01:12 |
| pitti | mdz: all but gaim | 01:12 |
| pitti | mdz: I'm currently typing gaim | 01:12 |
| mdz | pitti: ok. I have tested gaim and it works fine; I can't test MSN but I see no regressions in AIM/jabber | 01:12 |
| mdz | pitti: which ones are the simple temporary file stuff? | 01:13 |
| mdz | gs-common, glibc, gettext....? | 01:13 |
| pitti | mdz: gettext, glibc, gs-common, postgresql | 01:13 |
| pitti | mdz: do you have the two CC'ed mailing list adresses at hand? | 01:13 |
| mdz | pitti: gaim, gettext, gs-common, postgresql are built and ready | 01:14 |
| pitti | mdz: please give me some more minutes | 01:14 |
| mdz | glibc and imagemagick are not built yet | 01:14 |
| pitti | mdz: I need to change my subscription to bugtraq | 01:14 |
| pitti | mdz: I subscribed as martin@piware.de, but I need my canonical address | 01:15 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'm producing the required groff patch now, FYI | 01:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: thanks, keep pitti informed | 01:15 |
| mdz | pitti: bugtraq@securityfocus.com, full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com | 01:15 |
| pitti | mdz: do I need to subscribe full-disclosure to post to it? | 01:16 |
| mdz | pitti: I am not sure | 01:16 |
| mdz | pitti: you need to be subscribed anyway | 01:16 |
| pitti | mdz: okay | 01:17 |
| daniels | jdub: sup? | 01:17 |
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| jdub | daniels: do you think composite-on-by-default is likely for hoary? | 01:18 |
| daniels | jdub: we can try it, but I'm uncomfortable doing it without a fair bit of testing | 01:19 |
| daniels | but if we test it in the hoary tree and it's not too bad, we can keep it on for main | 01:19 |
| jdub | tempting | 01:19 |
| jdub | though it's going to be different for different video cards, right? | 01:20 |
| daniels | yeah | 01:22 |
| daniels | due to render accel | 01:22 |
| daniels | i think radeon's is pretty solid, and that in the nvidia binary driver can be a bit odd sometimes | 01:22 |
| lifeless | is it easy to turn on/off ? I.e. a control panel ? | 01:22 |
| daniels | lifeless: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enabled"\nEndSection | 01:22 |
| daniels | it's not configurable on-the-fly | 01:23 |
| lifeless | ah. perhaps that should be a goal - an option for folk to switch, but htey have to log out and in | 01:23 |
| mdz | pitti: are you ready to publish? | 01:23 |
| mdz | pitti: elmo is finished and I am ready to amber | 01:23 |
| pitti | mdz: I don't get a confirmation email from netsys | 01:23 |
| pitti | mdz: I subscribed several minutes ago... | 01:24 |
| daniels | lifeless: mmm | 01:24 |
| pitti | mdz: otherwise, bugtraq subscription is okay, all USNs are ready | 01:24 |
| mdz | pitti: the important thing is that it goes to ubuntu-security-announce and the webiste | 01:24 |
| daniels | lifeless: i'll see how it holds up in hoary; if it's stable enough for what we're doing, great, enabled per default. if not, it'll be disabled per default, and I'm not so sure I don't want a shiny-things button. | 01:24 |
| pitti | mdz: I can send the full-disclosure mail later if it has member-only posting | 01:24 |
| daniels | s/don't want/want/ | 01:24 |
| mdz | pitti: have you read the advisory guidelines I put in the wiki? | 01:25 |
| pitti | mdz: not yet | 01:25 |
| mdz | pitti: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityNotification | 01:25 |
| pitti | mdz: ah, I read this | 01:26 |
| mdz | pitti: for the temporary file vulnerabilities, the advisory should indicate with what privileges the overwriting takes place | 01:26 |
| mdz | if it is the privileges of a user invoking a program, or a system process, etc. | 01:26 |
| mdz | because this makes a big difference in the impact | 01:26 |
| elmo | hmm, lamont has the buildds set to take too much | 01:26 |
| pitti | mdz: hmm, I have to add this | 01:27 |
| elmo | well, maybe.. might not matter too much, even 10 packages isn't going take too long on average, and worst case will screw us even if we have less | 01:27 |
| mdz | pitti: let me know when you are ready for me to review the text | 01:27 |
| mdz | elmo: what are we going to do about getting new packages from sid into hoary/universe? | 01:28 |
| mdz | (rather than new versions) | 01:28 |
| mdz | or are you already doing that? | 01:28 |
| elmo | I'm going to deal with that in a bit.. also have to deal with removed packages, which is alittle more fun | 01:28 |
| elmo | since we have no record of where non-Debian stuff in universe came from (whee) | 01:28 |
| mdz | indeed | 01:28 |
| elmo | can someone prioitize merging/clearing-for-sync libldap2 and any other gnutls using libraries? | 01:29 |
| elmo | without that hoary's going to be severely broken dep-wise | 01:29 |
| elmo | mdz: btw, I assume I'm okay that people don't need to bother you/jeff for clear-to-sync mails? | 01:30 |
| Kamion | mdz: ok, uploaded to Debian, cced pitti on my mail to upstream | 01:30 |
| mdz | elmo: correct | 01:31 |
| mdz | elmo: dude, the merges are done | 01:32 |
| mdz | Keybuk said they were finished this afternoon | 01:33 |
| === elmo hails keybuk's turing complete merge-meister | ||
| Kamion | I guess that would explain why I still have the majority of uploads to hoary :P | 01:34 |
| pitti | mdz: ready: http://www.piware.de/usn/ | 01:39 |
| pitti | mdz: I hope my English is not too bad at this time | 01:39 |
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| pitti | mdz: could you do some proofreading, please? For helping a USN author newbie? :-) | 01:39 |
| elmo | Recently, Trustix Secure Linux discussed a vulnerabily in the | 01:41 |
| elmo | discovered | 01:41 |
| elmo | vulnerability | 01:41 |
| elmo | (postgres) | 01:41 |
| === daniels stares at elmo. | ||
| elmo | way, which allowed a symlink attack for overwriting | 01:42 |
| pitti | elmo: thanks, fixed | 01:42 |
| elmo | I'd say: way which allowed a symlink attack to overwrite | 01:42 |
| elmo | personally, but that's possibly just me | 01:42 |
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| Kamion | agreed | 01:42 |
| pitti | elmo: I take the word of a native speaker | 01:42 |
| elmo | same for gs-common then | 01:43 |
| pitti | elmo: fixed both errors in all USNs | 01:44 |
| pitti | and uploaded again | 01:44 |
| elmo | A buffer overflow and two remote crashes were recently discovered in | 01:44 |
| elmo | the MSN protocol handler. | 01:44 |
| elmo | I'd say "gaim's MSN protocol handler" | 01:44 |
| elmo | otherwise it sounds like MSN is buggy, IYSWIM | 01:44 |
| pitti | fixed | 01:45 |
| mdz | elmo: which is not altogether inaccurate, but irrelevant :-) | 01:45 |
| mdz | pitti: reading now | 01:45 |
| elmo | pitti: still misspelling vulnerability in postgres | 01:45 |
| mdz | pitti: have you verified the CVE names against the CVE website? | 01:45 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 01:45 |
| pitti | elmo: spell fixed | 01:46 |
| elmo | "Since imagemagick might be used in custom printing systems," <- s/might/can/ is more idiomatic and solves the duplication in the next sentence | 01:47 |
| pitti | done | 01:47 |
| mdz | pitti: it is a good idea to run an aspell check on all of the text | 01:50 |
| pitti | will do next time | 01:50 |
| tseng | hiya | 01:51 |
| mdz | pitti: s/files of/files with the privileges of/ | 01:51 |
| mdz | pitti: in at least gettext | 01:51 |
| mdz | the files would not need to belong to that user, only be writable by them | 01:52 |
| mdz | pitti: also s/overwrite/create or overwrite/ | 01:52 |
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| pitti | mdz: fixed | 01:55 |
| tseng | cool, jimmac is using ubuntu | 01:56 |
| mdz | pitti: looks good | 01:56 |
| mdz | pitti: ready to release? | 01:57 |
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| pitti | thumbs up! I even got my f-d subscription | 01:57 |
| elmo | hey, that's a point | 01:57 |
| elmo | we need a "who uses ubuntu" section on the website | 01:57 |
| jdub | oh dudes | 01:57 |
| jdub | http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/Misc/Ubuntu | 01:57 |
| jdub | ^ jimmac likes Ubuntu on his Mac | 01:57 |
| tseng | oh dudes, i just said that ! | 01:57 |
| tseng | :P | 01:57 |
| jdub | heh | 01:57 |
| mdz | who is jimmac? | 01:57 |
| daniels | elmo: that'd be easy | 01:57 |
| mdz | I assume he works for ximian | 01:57 |
| daniels | elmo: 'all the cool kids' | 01:57 |
| jdub | mdz: jakub steiner, gnome icons man | 01:57 |
| daniels | mdz: yeah, he's one of their crazy art guys | 01:58 |
| mdz | doh | 01:58 |
| mdz | elmo: amber blew up | 01:58 |
| jdub | and ximian/novell art biatch | 01:58 |
| elmo | sweet | 01:58 |
| mdz | elmo: jabbered you the output | 01:58 |
| elmo | no you haven't? | 01:58 |
| mdz | like hell I haven't | 01:58 |
| elmo | have NOT | 01:59 |
| mdz | sent again? | 01:59 |
| mdz | perhaps you are not logged into jabber :-P | 01:59 |
| elmo | I so am dude | 01:59 |
| mdz | ooh, jabber is broken | 01:59 |
| elmo | geez.. first he insists he's sent me mail.. then he insists he's sent me jabbers.. | 01:59 |
| elmo | ;-) | 01:59 |
| mdz | I disconnected from jabber and tried to reconnect, and it hangs | 02:00 |
| jdub | haha | 02:01 |
| jdub | http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/battstat-preferences-cleaner.png | 02:01 |
| jdub | davyd's latest sshot has 'sudo suspend' ;) | 02:02 |
| jdub | mdz: btw, why did we go for "add a user line to sudoers" instead of a wheel-group equivalent set up? | 02:02 |
| mdz | jdub: no one even mentioned the possibility, including you :-P | 02:03 |
| mdz | could very well be simpler to do it that way | 02:03 |
| tseng | %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL | 02:03 |
| jdub | mdz: btw, http://cipherfunk.org/diary/archives/monthly/2004-10.html#e2004-10-26T18_44_02.htm | 02:03 |
| jdub | mdz: i thought of it a few times, but stupidly didn't mention it, because i thought it had been passed over. | 02:04 |
| jdub | mdz: fwiw, that's how OS X does it | 02:04 |
| jdub | mdz: would it be a PITA to transition to it? | 02:04 |
| mdz | jdub: not for new installs | 02:04 |
| tseng | http://ronald.bitfreak.net/images/g-v-a.png <- whats different in this shot? | 02:04 |
| jdub | i guess it wouldn't for upgrades either; you'd only have to add one line | 02:05 |
| jdub | and existing users already have sudo love | 02:05 |
| jdub | tseng: dunno | 02:05 |
| tseng | looks the same old to me =/ | 02:05 |
| jdub | tseng: although it has been rewritten | 02:05 |
| tseng | yes. | 02:05 |
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| jdub | mdz: interesting patches | 02:06 |
| jdub | (paul is 'ultrafunk' aroudn irc) | 02:07 |
| jdub | you know | 02:08 |
| jdub | i was thinking last night | 02:08 |
| mdz | jdub: what did he have on the laptop before? | 02:08 |
| jdub | probably fedora | 02:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: I saw it mentioned a number of times, actually | 02:09 |
| jdub | we make a lot of decisions on irc | 02:09 |
| jdub | and talk about interesting stuff here | 02:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: always when more important stuff was happening, though ... | 02:09 |
| jdub | while some people may only be able to track ubuntu-devel | 02:09 |
| mdz | Kamion: I remember it was mentioned late in the release cycle | 02:09 |
| jdub | i want to make more of an effort to use that list | 02:09 |
| mdz | but not back in Oxford when we made the change | 02:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: *nod* | 02:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: I think it'd be good for new installs, but I was a bit scared to use "wheel"; that group has a lot of baggage | 02:10 |
| mdz | Kamion: agree | 02:10 |
| Kamion | people rather expect it to be gid 0, too | 02:10 |
| elmo | god damn it, I suck. | 02:10 |
| mdz | pitti: still with us? | 02:10 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 02:10 |
| Kamion | adding the initial user to gid 0 would suck :-) | 02:10 |
| mdz | pitti: minor train wreck in generating the advisory template | 02:11 |
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| Kamion | anyway, this alleged going-to-bed thing ... | 02:11 |
| jdub | adduser jdub sudo ;) | 02:11 |
| daniels | Kamion: ... is for the weak! | 02:11 |
| pitti | mdz: in the meantime I created all mails and put them into my outgoing queue; so I just need to add the package lists | 02:11 |
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| Kamion | I'll be out for a fair bit of tomorrow; picking up the girlfriend from visiting family an hour or so's drive away | 02:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: ok, enjoy | 02:12 |
| daniels | enjoy :) | 02:12 |
| Kamion | will catch up as per usual :) | 02:12 |
| elmo | lol | 02:15 |
| elmo | katie@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue/accepted $ amber 3-1 gs-common_0.3.6ubuntu1.1*.changes -n | less | 02:15 |
| elmo | amber is only useful for members of the security team, you tramp. | 02:15 |
| Kamion | :-) | 02:15 |
| Kamion | you can smell elmo-written scripts a mile away | 02:15 |
| daniels | heh | 02:16 |
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| jdub | they smell like schhhnnaaaakke | 02:18 |
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| pitti | Hi sjoerd! nightshift, too? | 02:34 |
| mdz | pitti: you should have an email with the gs-common template now | 02:34 |
| pitti | mdz: not yet | 02:34 |
| elmo | Oct 27 01:34:10 fiordland postfix/smtp[10351] : D3041B68002: to=<mdz@alcor.net>, orig_to=<security@ubuntulinux.org>, relay=redir-mail-telehouse1.gandi.net | 02:35 |
| elmo | [217.70.180.1] , delay=2, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as ED36E445C1D) | 02:35 |
| elmo | Oct 27 01:34:39 fiordland postfix/smtp[10352] : D3041B68002: to=<martin@piware.de>, orig_to=<security@ubuntulinux.org>, relay=mail.piware.de[213.9.79.162] | 02:35 |
| elmo | , delay=31, status=sent (250 OK id=1CMblu-0004Rv-VO) | 02:35 |
| mdz | it liked me better | 02:35 |
| pitti | mdz: now it's there | 02:35 |
| pitti | probably took a while to get though SA, procmail, and the like | 02:36 |
| mdz | pitti: gettext inbound | 02:36 |
| mdz | and postgresql | 02:36 |
| mdz | imagemagick | 02:37 |
| mdz | and gaim | 02:37 |
| elmo | hmm, glibc's taking too long, lemme check on it | 02:37 |
| pitti | mdz: the template shows all generated debs; shall I cut that down to the really affected ones? | 02:38 |
| elmo | ok, we need lamont for glibc | 02:38 |
| mdz | hmm, he was just here | 02:38 |
| elmo | the buildd mail config is broken for the powerpc and amd64 buildds it built on | 02:38 |
| mdz | GAH | 02:38 |
| mdz | can we retry it and hope it gets a different one? | 02:38 |
| elmo | lol | 02:38 |
| mdz | sorry, channeling lamont there | 02:39 |
| mdz | I think I am going to need to go buy some sandbags and build a dike | 02:39 |
| mdz | before I drown | 02:39 |
| pitti | mdz: ready to fire the first USN (gs-common) | 02:40 |
| mdz | pitti: whenever you are ready, or if you want me to look at it first, let me kno | 02:41 |
| mdz | know | 02:41 |
| pitti | mdz: it's just the known notice with the package list appended | 02:41 |
| pitti | to: u-s-a, cc: full disclosure, bugtraq, signed | 02:41 |
| mdz | pitti: go ahead | 02:41 |
| pitti | mdz: for gettext, only the really affected "gettext" or shall I include all other packages (gettext-base etc.) as well? | 02:44 |
| mdz | pitti: if you know that the bug is only in one binary package, you can list only that one | 02:44 |
| pitti | mdz: as I already did, okay | 02:45 |
| pitti | mdz: so I can also remove the other packages/md5sums/etc? | 02:45 |
| mdz | pitti: leavae the md5sums | 02:45 |
| mdz | leave | 02:45 |
| pitti | okay | 02:45 |
| pitti | gettext is away | 02:46 |
| pitti | I think I should wait for the arrival of gs-common before sending further mails... | 02:46 |
| mdz | I approved the list messages | 02:46 |
| pitti | argh, why does my post to u-s-a await moderator approval??? | 02:46 |
| mdz | pitti: every post is moderated | 02:46 |
| pitti | ah, okay. So no error on my side | 02:47 |
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| mdz | pitti: trying to reach lamont | 02:50 |
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| mdz | he is enroute | 02:51 |
| pitti | ah, the first two mails came through :-) | 02:51 |
| === pitti is excited | ||
| mdz | pitti: :-) | 02:53 |
| pitti | mdz: I sent the three other USNs (all except libc) | 02:53 |
| mdz | pitti: do you have privileges to add them to the website? | 02:54 |
| pitti | mdz: time to try out my password :-) | 02:54 |
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| elmo | you guys don't need me for anything else do you? | 02:57 |
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| pitti | elmo: thanks a lot for your help! | 02:57 |
| pitti | mdz: it seems as if I could edit the page | 02:57 |
| mdz | elmo: all the ambering has worked fine, so I don't anticipate a problem with glibc, thanks | 02:57 |
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| elmo | well, mobile's on anyway, if something comes up.. | 02:58 |
| elmo | night all | 02:58 |
| jdub | night elmo | 02:58 |
| lamont_r | elmo | 02:58 |
| lamont_r | still here? | 02:58 |
| pitti | mdz: when I click on "add error reference" on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/, I get a permission denied | 02:59 |
| pitti | mdz: is that the right way to add another USN? | 02:59 |
| elmo | lamont: wha? | 02:59 |
| lamont_r | mdz said I needed to poke a couple buildd's... wondering which machines... | 03:00 |
| elmo | whatever built glibc | 03:00 |
| elmo | adare and .. | 03:00 |
| lamont_r | right | 03:00 |
| lamont_r | ah, yes | 03:00 |
| elmo | yellow | 03:00 |
| elmo | the glibc build log bounced, AFAICT | 03:01 |
| lamont_r | yes | 03:01 |
| === lamont_r goes to deal with it | ||
| elmo | do I want to know why, or will it make me cry? | 03:01 |
| elmo | the size limit seems to be set to 0.. | 03:01 |
| lamont_r | message_size_limit, iirc | 03:01 |
| mdz | pitti: yes, that's right | 03:01 |
| mdz | pitti: you must not have permission | 03:01 |
| lamont_r | dunno - I'll get 'em signed/uploaded, and triage/fix/email you when I get home | 03:02 |
| pitti | mdz: can I get it? | 03:02 |
| elmo | lamont: k | 03:02 |
| mdz | pitti: I don't know how to do that, but I'll look | 03:02 |
| mdz | website....so....slomw | 03:03 |
| mdz | slow | 03:03 |
| mdz | pitti: I don't see a way to do it; I may not have permission | 03:04 |
| pitti | mdz: hmm; Alexander Limi and Jane should know how? | 03:05 |
| pitti | mdz: maybe we can sort that out tomorrow and you copy the USNs to the page? | 03:05 |
| mdz | pitti: yes, I will need to do that | 03:05 |
| pitti | mdz: sorry :-/ I will ask somebody tomorrow to give me permissions | 03:06 |
| lamont_r | pitti: glibc failed on amd64 | 03:06 |
| pitti | damn | 03:06 |
| lamont_r | amd64 not in arch list. :-( | 03:06 |
| lamont_r | missed it by that much... | 03:06 |
| pitti | lamont_r: I only changed a script, after all... | 03:06 |
| elmo | so, err, yeah, how did it build last time? | 03:07 |
| pitti | lamont_r: does the Debian version fail as well? | 03:07 |
| lamont_r | could, dunno | 03:07 |
| lamont_r | elmo: glibc does absolutely insane and stupid things with it's control file, then patches both versions, so it doesn't patch it during build. | 03:08 |
| lamont_r | istr adding a touch to debian/rules for warty... | 03:08 |
| lamont_r | pitti: bbiab | 03:08 |
| mdz | wait, what? | 03:10 |
| mdz | does someone have the failed logs in hand? | 03:13 |
| mdz | and is that same someone working to fix the problem? | 03:13 |
| elmo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/glibc_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.1_20041026-2338.gz | 03:15 |
| elmo | I'm not working on it tho | 03:17 |
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| mdz | pitti: all USNs should be published on the website now | 03:17 |
| pitti | mdz: nice, thanks | 03:18 |
| pitti | mdz: you did not include the pacakge md5sum lists, as you did for your first two USNs? | 03:19 |
| mdz | pitti: yes, I will remove them from the first two as well | 03:19 |
| jdub | mdz: btw, you don't have to turn emergency moderation on, or list yourself as admin and moderator | 03:19 |
| pitti | mdz: probably nicer | 03:19 |
| mdz | jdub: the other half of that sentence would have told me the alternative method to get what I want :-) | 03:20 |
| jdub | mdz: it was already set up correctly | 03:20 |
| mdz | jdub: it was set up for every message to be moderated? | 03:20 |
| jdub | yes | 03:20 |
| jdub | new members are moderated by default | 03:20 |
| jdub | on that list | 03:20 |
| mdz | new members? | 03:20 |
| jdub | subscribers | 03:21 |
| jdub | "By default, should new list member postings be moderated?" -> YES | 03:21 |
| mdz | where is that set? | 03:21 |
| jdub | sender filters page under privacy | 03:21 |
| mdz | first place I would have looked | 03:22 |
| mdz | NOT | 03:22 |
| mdz | what's a "new list member"? | 03:22 |
| mdz | ah, I see | 03:23 |
| mdz | so when new users subscribe, they get their individual moderator flag checked | 03:23 |
| mdz | I think I feel better with it being globally locked down | 03:23 |
| pitti | mdz: interesting post on u-users: sb asked how to verify GPG keys on the u-s-a list | 03:26 |
| pitti | mdz: shall we put the fingerprints on the website? | 03:26 |
| mdz | pitti: the same way to verify any other GPG key | 03:26 |
| mdz | through the web of trust | 03:26 |
| pitti | mdz: still it might be a good idea to have the fingerprint on a website | 03:26 |
| mdz | it only encourages bad habits, really | 03:26 |
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| mdz | but we can do that | 03:27 |
| pitti | lamont_r: already back? | 03:28 |
| === pitti nearly falls to sleep | ||
| pitti | mdz: do you think the glibc issue will resolve in the next minutes? Or can we continue tomorrow, or can you send the announcement? | 03:31 |
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| mdz | lamont_r: ? | 03:31 |
| pitti | lamont_r: ah, welcome back :-) | 03:31 |
| === lamont_r screams at the laptop | ||
| lamont_r | so, how do I get X to not go to sleep, never to return, every time I forget and close the lid on the laptop, huh? | 03:32 |
| mdz | lamont_r: purge acpid? | 03:32 |
| lamont_r | done | 03:32 |
| lamont_r | thanks | 03:32 |
| lamont_r | did I miss anything worth reading the log file for ? | 03:32 |
| pitti | lamont_r: not really | 03:33 |
| lamont_r | ok - I'll see it when I get home | 03:33 |
| mdz | lamont_r: you missed me losing my mind over how we managed to release warty with a glibc that FTBFS | 03:33 |
| lamont_r | which'll be relatively soon | 03:33 |
| lamont_r | mdz: I swear I didn't cheat on that one. | 03:33 |
| pitti | lamont_r: any ETA? it's 3:34am and I can hardly keep my eyes open | 03:33 |
| mdz | lamont_r: so you think it's a timing thing? | 03:33 |
| mdz | pitti: go ahead and sleep, I will take care of it | 03:34 |
| mdz | or it can wait until tomorrow | 03:34 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks for staying up | 03:34 |
| pitti | mdz: okay, I send you the announcement | 03:34 |
| pitti | mdz: thanks a lot for mentoring me! | 03:34 |
| lamont_r | mdz: glibc has traditionally been victim to that. | 03:34 |
| mdz | lamont_r: we need for warty-security build failures to go to security@ | 03:34 |
| lamont_r | note: never patch both the source and target in the diff.gz, unless you deal with it somehow in rules... | 03:34 |
| pitti | mdz: USN sent to you | 03:35 |
| pitti | thanks everybody and good night! | 03:35 |
| mdz | pitti: night | 03:35 |
| mdz | lamont_r: can you fix it up with an upload to warty-security? | 03:35 |
| lamont_r | mdz: meaning fix and re-upload source, I assume? | 03:36 |
| mdz | lamont_r: correct | 03:36 |
| lamont_r | wilco | 03:36 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:36 |
| lamont_r | np. car about done here, then will be home relatively soon and deal with it. | 03:37 |
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| hornbeck | I am liking the new wiki :-) | 04:05 |
| jdub | mdz!!! | 04:11 |
| mdz | jdub??? | 04:11 |
| jdub | there is an optimisation that we MUST HAVE in hoary!!! | 04:11 |
| mdz | oh really??? | 04:11 |
| jdub | yes! | 04:12 |
| jdub | !! | 04:12 |
| jdub | it is crucial for enterprise adoption!! | 04:12 |
| jdub | http://tech9.net/rml/log/2004102601 | 04:12 |
| mdz | ... | 04:13 |
| tseng | yeah, meh | 04:13 |
| mdz | jdub: we should add a shutdown script which executes sync(1) in a shell loop 100,000 times | 04:14 |
| mdz | then replace our sync(1) with this one and claim a performance benefit | 04:14 |
| hornbeck | jdub: that is nice | 04:14 |
| mdz | d00d3rz 1 r3c0mpi1e/> w1th -p1p3 4n/> 1t /2u/\/z 50kx f4st3r!!!11 | 04:15 |
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| jdub | mdz: that MSI bug seems to suggest that it was on and off during warty devel | 04:25 |
| mdz | jdub: yeah, it was supposed to end in the 'off' state | 04:26 |
| === jdub is tempted to rebuild to try, but... ugh... | ||
| jdub | i don't want to build kernels anymore :-) | 04:26 |
| mdz | jdub: if you have a -15 or lower .deb around, you can try that | 04:26 |
| jdub | hrm | 04:26 |
| mdz | maybe a preview CD | 04:26 |
| mdz | the regression happened oct 12 | 04:26 |
| mdz | snapshot.ubuntu.com? :-) | 04:27 |
| jdub | heh | 04:27 |
| mdz | fuck, raining again | 04:28 |
| === lamont is hime | ||
| lamont | home, even | 04:33 |
| lamont | Rejected: gtk2-engines-smooth_0.5.8-1_powerpc.deb: old version (2.8.1-0ubuntu1) in hoary >= new version (0.5.8-1) targeted at hoary. | 04:36 |
| === lamont giggles | ||
| mdz | lamont: what's the word on glibc? | 04:42 |
| lamont | mdz: the word is that I'm home and ignoring irc while I fix it. :-) | 04:44 |
| mdz | thanks | 04:44 |
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| hornbeck | how would you make a code block in reStructuredText? | 04:51 |
| hornbeck | nevermind | 04:52 |
| mdz | hornbeck: you are actually using it? | 04:53 |
| mdz | I found it unusable | 04:53 |
| hornbeck | what reStructuredText | 04:56 |
| hornbeck | it is great | 04:56 |
| hornbeck | like butter on your breakfast toast | 04:56 |
| mdz | the first thing I tried to write, it blew up because the header markup wasn't exactly the same number of characters as the heading text | 05:04 |
| hornbeck | yeah, I have some problems with little lame things | 05:04 |
| hornbeck | like not having returns in the right places | 05:05 |
| hornbeck | man building beagle is a pain in the ass sometimes | 05:05 |
| jdub | mdz: sabdfl reckons we'll standardise on moin-style markup | 05:06 |
| mdz | jdub: me too | 05:06 |
| hornbeck | really | 05:06 |
| hornbeck | so I am learning this for nothing :-( | 05:06 |
| hornbeck | oh well | 05:06 |
| mdz | I can't believe you don't hate it :-) | 05:06 |
| hornbeck | I don't hate many things | 05:06 |
| hornbeck | I can find fun in pooping outside | 05:06 |
| lamont | mdz: have me remind you to beat up the person who added amd64 support 99% of the way, eh? | 05:07 |
| === lamont does a test build first | ||
| lamont | source upload should happen in about 45 minutes, give or take | 05:07 |
| hornbeck | is the universe repos down right now | 05:09 |
| hornbeck | my apt-get just died | 05:09 |
| lamont | hornbeck: new day begins. :-) | 05:12 |
| lamont | "days" are 30 minutes long... | 05:12 |
| lamont | so the odds of catching a Packages.gz update or mirror pulse are greater. | 05:12 |
| hornbeck | damn | 05:12 |
| hornbeck | I am trying to write a evolution-sharp doc, and I need all the deps to make sure I get them all | 05:12 |
| lamont | day begins at :03 and :33, pulse shortly thereafter | 05:12 |
| hornbeck | guess it will wait till tomorrow | 05:13 |
| hornbeck | oh so it will be back in a few? | 05:13 |
| hornbeck | ok, I can get somethings from universe but alot of xml files are gone? | 05:17 |
| hornbeck | did some stuff get taken out? | 05:17 |
| hornbeck | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe libxml-namespacesupport-perl 1.08-3 404 Not Found | 05:18 |
| hornbeck | any ideas? | 05:18 |
| hornbeck | mdz? | 05:18 |
| mdz | hornbeck: hmmm! | 05:20 |
| hornbeck | that package and libxml-sax-perl | 05:20 |
| hornbeck | both used to be there | 05:21 |
| mdz | it was moved, but not intentionally | 05:21 |
| mdz | I think I see what happened | 05:21 |
| mdz | elmo: ^^^^ | 05:21 |
| mdz | (when he wakes up) | 05:21 |
| hornbeck | they will be back correct? | 05:22 |
| hornbeck | cause evolution-sharp depends on them | 05:22 |
| hornbeck | :-) | 05:22 |
| mdz | hornbeck: as I said, it looks like it was unintentional | 05:23 |
| hornbeck | ok cool | 05:23 |
| mdz | I'm writing an email to elmo | 05:23 |
| hornbeck | thank you | 05:23 |
| mdz | if you notice anyone else encountering that, let them know that we're aware of it and working on the problem | 05:25 |
| hornbeck | mdz: ok, I am off to bed anyway but was working on one more doc before bed | 05:26 |
| lamont | mdz: if it helps, I have a never-break-my-archive (albeit crufty) script for mirroring | 05:30 |
| lamont | snags Packages.gz/Sources.gz, parses them. fetches files, installs Packages.gz Sources.gz, fills the morgue (since bandwidth hurts me.) | 05:31 |
| lamont | mdz: so does squirrelmail make baby jesus cry? | 05:32 |
| jdub | yes | 05:34 |
| jdub | plus it uses baby-jesus-baiting php4-imap | 05:34 |
| lamont | any sane alternatives? | 05:35 |
| jdub | i haven't really found one that made me comfortable | 05:36 |
| jdub | atm i'm using sqwebmail at home, which has its own faults | 05:37 |
| lamont | that was what led me to installing squirrelmail on a non-i386 box | 05:37 |
| lamont | glibc (if/when it decided to rebuild debian/control) lacked amd64 mention in control.in/libc6 :-( | 05:38 |
| lamont | not sure where I got the amd64 patch when I applied | 05:38 |
| lamont | it | 05:38 |
| === lamont notes that killing the infinite-loop helps speed things up. 5MB of log to go | ||
| === lamont wishes that Packages files were broken up into more bite-sized pieces | ||
| fabbione | morning guys | 06:29 |
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| === lamont identifies the email issue, sends elmo the info | ||
| lamont | morning fabbione | 06:38 |
| fabbione | lamont: how busy are adaire and yellow? | 06:42 |
| fabbione | i guess all the buildd are pumping 100% after the sync | 06:42 |
| lamont | fabbione: building hoary, basically | 06:42 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:42 |
| fabbione | i will soon need to start building X.org | 06:42 |
| === lamont currently has crested offline, so yellow is holding down the fort | ||
| fabbione | it compiles on i386 already | 06:42 |
| lamont | ah, ok. happy, happy, joy, joy | 06:42 |
| fabbione | lamont: i won't be that happy | 06:42 |
| fabbione | it is still monolithic | 06:42 |
| lamont | yeah - but the breakup of the source can largely happen in parallel with people abusing the monolithic beast. | 06:42 |
| lamont | you're going to break it up so that it doesn't have circular build-deps, right? | 06:42 |
| === lamont grumbles at hoary | ||
| lamont | my mirror is now out-of-date: 1353 files missing. :( | 06:43 |
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| lamont | well, 1249 when I snap debian sources over. | 06:44 |
| fabbione | lamont: i already did basically :-) | 06:44 |
| jdub | morning Keybuk | 06:49 |
| fabbione | and i also have much less compiler warnings | 06:49 |
| lamont | fabbione: yeah | 06:49 |
| jdub | lamont: i386 packages.gz for hoary looks fat! :) | 06:49 |
| fabbione | than in the monolithic | 06:49 |
| fabbione | lamont: but it won't be uploaded until hoary release date + 1 | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | jdub: morning | 06:49 |
| fabbione | so everybody will live with monolithic for another release cycle | 06:49 |
| jdub | lots of ubuntu packages in hoary ;) | 06:49 |
| lamont | jdub: scary thing is that universe in hoary got bigger than warty | 06:49 |
| lamont | ditto main | 06:49 |
| lamont | and multiverse | 06:49 |
| jdub | doesn't that make sense? | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | jdub: I have 77 to upload at the moment, another 277-odd remaining :) | 06:49 |
| jdub | Keybuk: rad! | 06:49 |
| jdub | lamont: given that building the livecd is 'hard', and rsyncing is not entirely useful, what do you think is the best way of pulling regular livecds for testing? | 06:49 |
| jdub | maybe we should have a jigdo equivalent for livecds | 06:49 |
| jdub | that'd be rad | 06:49 |
| jdub | oh | 06:49 |
| jdub | no it wouldn't | 06:49 |
| jdub | it'd be pretty much the same as doing a livecd build anyway | 06:49 |
| === jdub should sleep more | ||
| === jdub is totally tempted to upgrade to hoary on his test box | ||
| fabbione | lamont: i will quite soon (a couple of weeks from now) need the tools to build the livecd | 06:49 |
| lamont | jdub: that'll be scary | 06:49 |
| lamont | fabbione: np | 06:49 |
| fabbione | lamont: to sync the X autoconfig stuff on both live and install | 06:49 |
| lamont | I should have the doc done by then, esp if someone picks on me | 06:50 |
| fabbione | lamont | 06:51 |
| fabbione | otherwise we can find something else.. hmmmm | 06:51 |
| fabbione | actually | 06:51 |
| fabbione | there is something more cool we can do... | 06:51 |
| === fabbione needs to think a bit about it | ||
| fabbione | lamont: is there any simple way i can detect we are running on a LiveCD? | 06:57 |
| fabbione | like a specific installed file? | 06:57 |
| fabbione | that it will be there for sure 100% | 06:57 |
| fabbione | since people have been asking for autoreconfig in case of a video card change | 06:57 |
| fabbione | that can be done in a init script | 06:57 |
| lamont | /MorphixCD/ iirc | 06:57 |
| fabbione | the same init script can check if we are running on a LiveCD | 06:57 |
| fabbione | and instead of prompting it could reconfigure X | 06:57 |
| fabbione | that will save me the time to build liveCD's | 06:57 |
| lamont | we may have to actually schedule said script to run, btw. | 06:57 |
| fabbione | good | 06:57 |
| fabbione | if it needs to be done maually even better | 06:57 |
| lamont | yeah - telling that you're LiveCD isn't all that hard. If it is, we'll make it not-hard. :-) | 06:57 |
| fabbione | i can stick it in /usr/share/xorg/reconfigure_for_live_cd | 06:57 |
| fabbione | or something | 06:57 |
| fabbione | and than you can force it manually | 06:57 |
| lamont | elmo/thom aroudn? | 06:57 |
| === lamont just screwed up, I fear | ||
| === Keybuk feigns shock | ||
| lamont | pitti around | 06:58 |
| lamont | ? | 06:58 |
| jdub | 184 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 06:58 |
| jdub | Need to get 69.6MB of archives. | 06:58 |
| jdub | After unpacking 7676kB disk space will be freed. | 06:58 |
| jdub | heh | 06:58 |
| jdub | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 06:58 |
| jdub | alsa-base alsa-utils gdm python2.3-genetic ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop | 06:58 |
| jdub | d'oh | 06:58 |
| Keybuk | jdub: what you upgrading to? | 07:00 |
| === lamont bets hoary | ||
| Keybuk | lamont: that would be a totally insane thing to do right now, surely? :o) | 07:00 |
| lamont | Keybuk: beyond doubt | 07:00 |
| === lamont hopes to hell elmo's scripts do what he hopes they do... | ||
| Keybuk | some stuff is old, from warty; some stuff is building from unstable; and other stuff is sitting on rookery waiting for me to get my key in the keyring | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | lamont: what do you hope they do? | 07:01 |
| lamont | put the files I just uploaded in the right place. | 07:01 |
| jdub | yeah, just seeing the state of the archive | 07:01 |
| lamont | 75 seconds, and we'll know... :-( | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | jdub: there will be a few problems where stuff sync'd from unstable depends on a package not sync'd because we modified it | 07:04 |
| === lamont bows at elmo's feet. | ||
| jdub | i imagine gdm is waiting in your queue | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | rookery scott% grep -c "^diff " results/gdm_2.6.0.4-1ubuntu1.dropped | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | 11 | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | that'll need manual review | 07:06 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: if it's only question of signing and upload i can do that for you | 07:08 |
| fabbione | if you think that will speed up stuff around | 07:09 |
| Keybuk | thanks, but by the time I've gone through the ones with po-dropped I'll hopefully have over a hundred or more to play with and elmo will be awake ;p | 07:09 |
| lamont | jdub: as for status: | 07:12 |
| lamont | hoary.all.amd64:Total 1599 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 07:12 |
| lamont | hoary.all.i386:Total 1047 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 07:12 |
| lamont | hoary.all.powerpc:Total 1354 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 07:12 |
| jdub | cool | 07:13 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ok | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/Misc/Ubuntu | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | \o/ | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | Ximian employee in "If somebody asks me what linux distro he should try on his mac, I'm resolutely recommending Ubuntu." shock. | 07:14 |
| jdub | innit great? :) | 07:14 |
| lamont | cool | 07:14 |
| lamont | now we just need to make hoary suck less than warty, eh? | 07:15 |
| === lamont ducks | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: morning | 07:16 |
| hornbeck | is there a bootstrap to use to setup a ubuntu chroot? | 07:16 |
| lamont | mdz: mcmurdo, royal, yellow. | 07:16 |
| lamont | hornbeck: start with debootstrap from warty | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | mdz: morning | 07:17 |
| lamont | debootstrap ... warty | 07:17 |
| hornbeck | great thanks | 07:17 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: what's the status of your merge project? | 07:18 |
| lamont | Keybuk: did we ever decide on a binNMU standard? | 07:18 |
| lamont | version number, that is. | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | mdz: 77 done with nothing dropped, working on automating .po now so hopefully that'll give us a bunch more, then there will be a hundred or so with patches to manually review | 07:18 |
| mdz | Keybuk: done == uploaded? | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | lamont: no, need to get you, elmo, neuro, aj, kamion, etc. together and let you fight it out | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | mdz: not uploaded yet | 07:19 |
| mdz | Keybuk: do you have a list of those which will definitely require manual review? | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | mdz: not yet, because I hope to get the number down; it's at 251 at the moment | 07:20 |
| mdz | Keybuk: are you certain your key is not already in the keyring? | 07:21 |
| mdz | I was under the impression that it was | 07:21 |
| Keybuk | well, I did an upload the other day and it vanished into thin air | 07:22 |
| mdz | Keybuk: what package? | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | ubuntu-artwork, just before warty release | 07:23 |
| mdz | Keybuk: do you recall the version number? | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | 0.2.12-1 | 07:25 |
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| mdz | there's only one 0.2.12-1 in the log, and it was accepted | 07:26 |
| Keybuk | yes, but Colin signed that | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | he had to get me out of bed because mine didn't go through | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | Who would I talk to about the expired cert on bugzilla? | 07:28 |
| mdz | Burgundavia: no one; it's already filed in bugzilla | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | mdz: so I assume the powers that be are going to fix it? | 07:29 |
| mdz | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 | 07:29 |
| mdz | Burgundavia: it's not a particularly high priority | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | ok, just wondering | 07:30 |
| mdz | being able to spoof our bugzilla wouldn't be particularly rewarding :-) | 07:30 |
| Burgundavia | sort of ironic though | 07:30 |
| fabbione | GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODY | 07:34 |
| fabbione | patch forwarding is basically completed | 07:34 |
| fabbione | mdz: ^^^ | 07:34 |
| fabbione | mdz: + we build on i386 | 07:34 |
| lamont | Starting proxy server: 2004/10/26 23:32:36| WARNING cache_mem is larger than total disk cache space! | 07:34 |
| lamont | hrm...wonder how to bump the disk cache size.. | 07:34 |
| === mdz high-fives fabbione | ||
| mdz | lamont: cache_dir | 07:35 |
| fabbione | mdz: now we need to fix all the packaging part :-))) | 07:37 |
| fabbione | that it's going to be... hmm evil | 07:37 |
| fabbione | mdz: since we switched to monolithic i will NOT neeed root on amd64 or ppc | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: all the build-deps should be there already | 07:39 |
| mdz | fabbione: what about for testing? | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: even if i have root on our boxes, there is nobody in front of them to see what's happening on the screen | 07:41 |
| fabbione | i will need people with amd64 and ppc boxes to test | 07:42 |
| fabbione | there is really nothing i can automate myself there | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | zsh: command not found: msgmerge | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | gah! | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | anyone !elmo have root on rookery? :) | 07:52 |
| mdz | hom | 07:55 |
| mdz | thom | 07:55 |
| lamont | g'night all | 08:05 |
| doko | morning lamont | 08:07 |
| jdub | night lamont | 08:08 |
| Keybuk | gah, I really cannot work this frickin' po file stuff out | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | cya all | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | I really don't think msgmerge is going to work for this stuff | 08:27 |
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| sid77 | hi all | 08:43 |
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| maswan | because: | 08:58 |
| maswan | elmo: @ERROR: max connections (25) reached - try again later | 08:58 |
| maswan | (this night) | 08:58 |
| fabbione | pitti: where is USN-4-1 ? | 08:59 |
| fabbione | ehm | 09:00 |
| fabbione | mdz: ^^ | 09:00 |
| Keybuk | not released yet, I'd guess | 09:08 |
| Keybuk | I suspect they're doing the same as Debian and assigning the number at the start of the security procedure, not the actual release of the notice | 09:08 |
| fabbione | yeah | 09:10 |
| fabbione | doh! | 09:12 |
| === Keybuk cackles with pure evil | ||
| fabbione | it was on ubuntu-users | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | so I've actually "fixed" the .po issue | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | I have some Python that strips all the context from a patch and rejiggles the line numbers | 09:12 |
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| Keybuk | so it actually works | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | muahahahaha | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | screw you hippy po comments | 09:13 |
| Keybuk | if line.startswith(" ") or \ (line.startswith("-#") and not line.startswith("-#,")) or \ (line.startswith("+#") and not line.startswith("+#,")): | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | those po file people are as magic-punctuation happy as tom lord! | 09:16 |
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| Keybuk | -#, and +#, are a change to the bit of the .po file that says "fuzzy" or "c-comment", etc. | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | I got the impression people would be upset with me if I dropped those | 09:16 |
| fabbione | hey tfheen | 09:17 |
| fabbione | welcome back | 09:17 |
| tfheen | hiya | 09:17 |
| fabbione | JEEEEEEEEEEEE | 09:17 |
| === tfheen grumbles over vawad being ill | ||
| Keybuk | tfheen: vawad's *always* ill :D | 09:17 |
| fabbione | x.org is taking a long time to build | 09:17 |
| fabbione | even with ccache | 09:17 |
| tfheen | Keybuk: she's started to eat networking cards now. | 09:17 |
| Keybuk | nice | 09:18 |
| tfheen | so, anything fun happened while I was away? | 09:18 |
| fabbione | the build log for the normal part is at least 2MB bigger than Xfree86 | 09:18 |
| tfheen | apart from Warty releasing, obviously. | 09:18 |
| === fabbione cries out loud and ask for 4GB of ram | ||
| sid77 | lol | 09:24 |
| tfheen | fabbione: get an amd64 with 4G of RAM and crosscompile? ;) | 09:24 |
| === tfheen hides | ||
| fabbione | tfheen: welcome to send me one :) | 09:24 |
| tfheen | fabbione :) | 09:24 |
| fabbione | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz | 09:24 |
| fabbione | it's not like i have a slow machine | 09:24 |
| fabbione | with 1 GB of ram | 09:24 |
| Keybuk | dude, it's a P-4 ... that's about 200Mhz in *real* CPU terms <g> | 09:24 |
| fabbione | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+ | 09:24 |
| fabbione | i also have this one with 1 GB of RAM | 09:24 |
| fabbione | it still takes hell of a lot to compile compared to XF86 | 09:24 |
| fabbione | 7684 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 7852788 Oct 21 12:12 make_world.build.log | 09:24 |
| fabbione | 9940 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 10161505 Oct 27 06:56 make_world.build.log | 09:24 |
| === fabbione sighs even more | ||
| fabbione | 3020 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 3087544 Oct 21 12:19 make_world_dbg.build.log | 09:25 |
| fabbione | 4600 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 4694731 Oct 27 07:24 make_world_dbg.build.log | 09:25 |
| === fabbione screams and runs away | ||
| tfheen | fabbione: you're supposed to _like_ multi-MB build logs. | 09:27 |
| Keybuk | @@ -81,1 +72,1 @@ | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | -msgstr "Debian installatieprogramma-modules worden geladen" | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | +msgstr "Debian installatiemodules worden geladen" | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | -- | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | cute | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | seems to be working (that's a dropped Debian patch, for obvious reasons) | 09:29 |
| tfheen | Keybuk: you're merging d-i branding? | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | tfheen: merging debian and warty to make hoary | 09:30 |
| fabbione | tfheen: oh yeah | 09:33 |
| fabbione | and for last: | 09:43 |
| fabbione | 868 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 880853 Oct 21 12:22 make_install.log | 09:43 |
| fabbione | 1224 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 1245422 Oct 27 07:43 make_install.log | 09:43 |
| fabbione | more than 50% BIGGER! | 09:43 |
| fabbione | OH YEAH | 09:43 |
| Keybuk | is that X.org, or just daniels? :o) | 09:46 |
| fabbione | X.org :-) | 09:47 |
| fabbione | i think i need a bigger machine | 09:47 |
| fabbione | i am sure debian buildd will NOT like this | 09:47 |
| Keybuk | * Creating copy of base-files | 09:48 |
| Keybuk | * Considering base-files | 09:48 |
| Keybuk | ! 2 patch hunks dropped | 09:48 |
| Keybuk | * Building base-files_3.1ubuntu1.dsc | 09:48 |
| Keybuk | -- cool, most the drops are easy (that's our issue & issue.net change) | 09:48 |
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| maswan | fabbione: how about an 8-way opteron with 32 gigs of ram? | 09:57 |
| maswan | fabbione: a bit too expensive to get donated though, even if I probably could borrow one for a couple of weeks. :) | 09:58 |
| fabbione | maswan: useless | 09:59 |
| fabbione | X build doesn't fork across processors | 09:59 |
| maswan | fabbione: single-cpu speed more relevant? | 09:59 |
| maswan | ah | 09:59 |
| fabbione | 32GB would be still good :-) | 10:00 |
| maswan | Well, you could start by fixing that then. :) | 10:00 |
| fabbione | maswan: send me 2x16GB stick for a Dell Optiplex GX260 :-) | 10:01 |
| fabbione | i won't mind that kind of donation ;) | 10:01 |
| maswan | fabbione: heh. well, sticking within reality, you could get an hp dl585 with 32 gigs of ram too, with only 4 cpus. :) | 10:02 |
| maswan | fabbione: but then, those aren't usually free either | 10:02 |
| fabbione | ENOMONEY | 10:03 |
| fabbione | maswan: i recently bought a house and will get soon the second boss (formely called wife) | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | "Dear Mark, For Christmas I would like..." :o) | 10:03 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: "Dear Santa^WMark" ;) | 10:03 |
| maswan | fabbione: see, Keybuk has the general idea of it :) | 10:03 |
| fabbione | the first step will be to get my bigger office up and running | 10:04 |
| fabbione | second step one 19" rack | 10:04 |
| fabbione | than i will ask Santa to fill it up :P | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | now's the time to decide between air mailing xmas cards, or just e-mailing; isn't it :p | 10:04 |
| maswan | fabbione: a 2.4GHz or so opteron should be among the faster cpus for gcc grunting too, I think. | 10:05 |
| jamesh | the new Athlon 64 4000+'s look nice too | 10:07 |
| jamesh | if you just want a single processor machine | 10:07 |
| maswan | well, yeah, but those only fits a few gigs of ram | 10:07 |
| maswan | of course, they are lots cheaper though | 10:07 |
| jamesh | how much ram do you want? | 10:07 |
| maswan | fabbione thought 32 gigs would be nice :) | 10:08 |
| fabbione | with 32GB i can mount /usr/src in ram | 10:08 |
| jamesh | you'd need 4 processors for that, right? | 10:08 |
| fabbione | and compile in it :-) | 10:08 |
| fabbione | nope | 10:08 |
| fabbione | one processor or 2 are more than enough | 10:08 |
| maswan | well, yeah, I don't know of any board with more than 8 slots/cpu | 10:08 |
| jamesh | what's the largest DIMM you can get? | 10:08 |
| === fabbione does | ||
| jamesh | given that each CPU can handle 4 sticks of memory | 10:09 |
| maswan | 1GB in practice, 2GB in theory | 10:09 |
| fabbione | maswan: get a few e10k cpu boards :P | 10:09 |
| maswan | jamesh: I've seen 8 | 10:09 |
| maswan | fabbione: ah, but those do not have very fast single-cpu performance. :) | 10:09 |
| jamesh | maswan: for a single CPU AMD64? | 10:09 |
| fabbione | maswan: i know :-) | 10:09 |
| fabbione | they are still sweet tho | 10:10 |
| maswan | jamesh: well, yeah, you could just run a dl585 with one cpu. :) | 10:10 |
| jamesh | maswan: I've seen 8 slot dual processor AMD64 boards | 10:10 |
| jamesh | maswan: but the second 4 slots could only be used if you plugged in two CPUs | 10:10 |
| maswan | jamesh: well, are those 8 slots in total or 8 slots per cpu? | 10:10 |
| maswan | ah, yeah. | 10:10 |
| jamesh | since the memory controllers are on the CPUs | 10:10 |
| maswan | that's the thing, the dl585 has 8 slots per cpu | 10:10 |
| maswan | hmm.. you should be able to get a p4/xeon board with 8 or perhaps even 16 slots and just populate that with 1 cpu. | 10:11 |
| maswan | I think. I haven't looked much at that though. | 10:11 |
| jamesh | either way, you're looking at a lot of money | 10:13 |
| maswan | yeah | 10:13 |
| jamesh | it might be more economical to buy a bunch of Raptor hard drives and set up a RAID array | 10:15 |
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| seb128 | morning | 10:22 |
| fabbione | +usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.8.0 | 10:34 |
| === fabbione cries | ||
| seb128 | that's ok to start working/uploading in hoarty now ? | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: source package is xorg | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 6.8.1-0.0 | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@fabbione.net> | 10:42 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386 | 10:42 |
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| pitti | Morning! | 10:56 |
| pitti | mdz: still awake? | 10:57 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 10:59 |
| pitti | Hi seb128! | 10:59 |
| seb128 | ok, so nobody knows if we can start working/uploading in hoary if we should better wait a bit ? | 11:00 |
| pitti | seb128: I already uploaded some stuff and was told that it was okay | 11:02 |
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| seb128 | yeah, I've seen the mails on hoary-changes, but I was not sure with the syncs | 11:03 |
| seb128 | thanks pitti | 11:03 |
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| pitti | seb128: I still remember elmo saying that the syncs are finished (the automatic ones, that is) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | cool, thanks | 11:05 |
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| pitti | elmo: Morning! Since mdz is already sleeping, can you do the libc unleashing, too? | 11:15 |
| Keybuk | sorta | 11:16 |
| Keybuk | basically there are three sets of things to sync | 11:16 |
| Keybuk | 1. things that haven't changed in warty or debian -- easy, nothing to do (so done) | 11:16 |
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| Keybuk | 2. things that changed in debian, but not warty -- pull from debian, and build (elmo's set this running, it may be done, it may not) | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | 3. things that changed in both debian and warty -- need to merge, I'm working on this at the moment | 11:17 |
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| enrico | Hello. Is someone around that is involved in the Wiki migration? | 11:33 |
| enrico | justdave: around? | 11:35 |
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| robtaylor | pitti: what do reckon to mdz's chroot idea for #2758? | 11:49 |
| robtaylor | pitti: i tried restarting hotplug, and running the same hald test, but didnt seem to change anything | 11:50 |
| pitti | robtaylor: well, I thought hotplug was not the problem | 11:51 |
| pitti | robtaylor: you'd need to run hal not in a chroot, but in the normal file namespace | 11:51 |
| robtaylor | pitti: you think it's kernel level? | 11:51 |
| pitti | robtaylor: I did not extensively deal with the live cd, though | 11:51 |
| pitti | robtaylor: no idea, sorry; please ask amu, he should know much better about the live cd | 11:52 |
| robtaylor | pitti: yeah, it a bit weird, i'm testing now with a more normal usb key and seeing exatly the same symtoms :/ | 11:52 |
| robtaylor | pitti: cool. what timezone is amu? | 11:52 |
| pitti | robtaylor: mine, i. e. UTC+2 | 11:54 |
| robtaylor | pitti: ah cool | 11:56 |
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| enrico | Who's involved in the wiki migration? I'd need to get in contatct with them | 12:19 |
| seb128 | why not saying here what you want ? perhaps somebody can help you ? | 12:20 |
| fabbione | ciao enrico | 12:20 |
| enrico | fabbione: ciao! | 12:20 |
| fabbione | seb128: that sounds familiar :-) | 12:20 |
| seb128 | :) | 12:20 |
| enrico | fine | 12:20 |
| sid77 | ciao! (i'm italian too ;) | 12:20 |
| enrico | Appearently the pages were migrated | 12:20 |
| enrico | sid77: ciao! | 12:20 |
| sid77 | lol | 12:20 |
| enrico | However, the old wiki has not been locked | 12:20 |
| enrico | I had been assured by mark (and consequently I reassured the ubuntu-doc list) that the old wiki would have been locked before transition, so that no modifications would have been lost | 12:21 |
| enrico | So, I'd like to ask what is the migration path. People in the list are puzzled | 12:21 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: hm, msgmerge was working absolutely fine for me, seemed to be perfectly automatable in principle | 12:21 |
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| migus | hi | 12:23 |
| enrico | Thing is, wiki is the way people in ubuntu-doc are making all the work now, and it's been changing without notices for a while | 12:23 |
| enrico | Someone starts being annoyed of having something different or unclear every time they want to do some work | 12:23 |
| Kamion | SteveA has been doing most of the migration I think; he was looking around last night for somebody with suitable admin privileges to lock the old wiki. | 12:24 |
| fabbione | hi sid | 12:24 |
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| fabbione | sid77: please no public away messages | 12:28 |
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| __daniel | hai | 12:36 |
| fabbione | hmm intersting :-) | 12:40 |
| fabbione | pciutils wants to kill ubuntu-base | 12:40 |
| pitti | sjoerd: did you ever try to build hal-0.4.0 in a pbuilder? My initial upload to Hoary FTBFS, I have to build-dep on libxml-parser-perl | 12:40 |
| fabbione | (bootstrapping hoary) | 12:40 |
| pitti | fabbione: I just tried to switch my apt sources to Hoary, but the package files are still empty. Do I sth. wrong? | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I just couldn't get it to do the right thing, ever | 12:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: they aren't here... | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | given "warty.po" and "debian.po", I couldn't get one that had the best of both | 12:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: debootstrap warty and then change apt lines | 12:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: you mean they are not empty for you? Then it must be a problem of my provider... | 12:41 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: really did work fine for me | 12:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: my provider has a transparent proxy, maybe this still offers me the empty files | 12:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: thanks | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: when I did msgmerge warty.po debian.po; I got the new debian strings, but the warty translations | 12:42 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: like I say, you need to produce hoary.po first using debconf-updatepo or whatever | 12:42 |
| fabbione | pitti: i am using a local mirror | 12:42 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: I wouldn't do it that way ... | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | when I did msgmerge debian.po warty.po I got the debian translations, but not the new strnigs | 12:42 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: both those approaches are wrong | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: doesn't work for ordinary .po | 12:42 |
| Kamion | can you leave everything with d-i branding to me then? I don't want to have to redo it all | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | you won't have to :) I had a lot more luck with mutating the patch | 12:42 |
| elmo | GAR. stupid moin. | 12:42 |
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| Kamion | ordinary .po there's usually some kind of Makefile target to do it | 12:43 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: uh | 12:43 |
| elmo | does anyone know how to get this stupid thing to read it's updated config file? | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | I wrote some code to write patches that could apply to .po files, without the # bits getting in the way :p | 12:43 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: anything I can review before upload, please? | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: is cooking now | 12:43 |
| Kamion | those comments are often needed for actual real live translators | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: sure, but you can favour one set over the other | 12:43 |
| Kamion | true ... | 12:44 |
| Keybuk | it keeps the #, one | 12:44 |
| Keybuk | because that's important | 12:44 |
| Kamion | there are others too | 12:44 |
| Keybuk | but #: doesn't even need to be in the patch | 12:44 |
| Kamion | #: should be handled by debconf-updatepo in the debian/po/ case | 12:44 |
| fabbione | ok guys.. good news | 12:45 |
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| sid77 | sorry | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | *shrug* this way works :) | 12:45 |
| fabbione | X.org compiles both on AMD64 and ppc | 12:45 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: like I say, can I please just have a look at one of them before upload? | 12:45 |
| fabbione | now it's only question of fixing a few tons of packaging problems | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: dude, someone's going to look at *all* of them before upload | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | you get a source package, debian->hoary diff and "I dropped these" file | 12:45 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: you said you were mass-uploading, I believed you :-) | 12:45 |
| elmo | jdub: ? | 12:46 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, for the ones with no "dropped" I can interdiff debian->hoary and base->warty quickly <g> | 12:46 |
| Kamion | 14:37 < Kamion> Keybuk: are you going to be doing a mass upload of merges, or what? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | 14:38 < Keybuk> Kamion: I think the basic idea is to do the merges as automatic as possible | 12:46 |
| Kamion | 14:38 < Keybuk> for any that it works, I'll upload | 12:46 |
| Keybuk | note "works" :) | 12:46 |
| jdub | elmo: here | 12:46 |
| elmo | jdub: do you know how to get moin to reload it's config? | 12:47 |
| elmo | and/or where you involved in setting our moins up? | 12:47 |
| pitti | Is Hoary automatically synced to sid now every day? | 12:48 |
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| jdub | elmo: i set up the original one on rince -> it should just take on the configuration when a new cgi is run | 12:49 |
| elmo | pitti: yeah, where it can be | 12:50 |
| elmo | jdub: that's what I thought, it doesn't appear to be, tho :/ | 12:50 |
| pitti | elmo: nice, thanks | 12:50 |
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| fabbione | ccachetop is cool :-) | 12:53 |
| enrico | elmo: restarting apache? | 12:53 |
| elmo | enrico: done that | 12:54 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: fair enough | 12:55 |
| enrico | elmo: still modifiable, though | 12:55 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: if there really is some msgmerge magic, that'd be cool -- but I really couldn't get it to produce sane output | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | it tended to favour one set of translations over another, completely | 12:56 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: note I've done main-menu, cdrom-checker, cdrom-detect, yaboot-installer since I last talked to you | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | and dropped others, with no way of actually telling it dropped them without resorting to diff | 12:56 |
| enrico | elmo: sure that the new config is correct? | 12:56 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: I used msgmerge successfully on five packages with complex merges | 12:56 |
| Kamion | the output was exactly what I wanted | 12:57 |
| sjoerd | pitti: no i didn't | 12:57 |
| elmo | aha. STUPID moin. | 12:57 |
| elmo | right, it's done | 12:57 |
| pitti | sjoerd: it is very likely that it FTBFS for Debian, too | 12:57 |
| Kamion | I gave you the procedure; it would have to be adapted for simple po/ as opposed to debian/po/, but almost all our branding is in debian/po/ | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, and I followed that, and got crap out of the other end | 12:58 |
| sjoerd | pitti: yeah probably.. will check | 12:58 |
| enrico | elmo: works, cool, thanks! | 12:58 |
| Keybuk | entirely commented-out blocks and most of the warty changes dropped | 12:58 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: what you told me you tried just above was totally different, though? | 12:58 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: entirely commented-out blocks are expected and useful, they act as notes of the unbranded translations | 12:58 |
| sjoerd | pitti: i'm currently checking out pmount, are you planning to create a group in later debian packages or something like that | 12:58 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: sounds like you did it the wrong way round | 12:58 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I'm applying the debian changes to warty, not the warty changes to debian | 12:59 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: me too | 12:59 |
| pitti | sjoerd: If Debian agrees to one, it'll be my pleasure :-) | 12:59 |
| pitti | sjoerd: plugdev would make Ubuntu and Debian totally compatible... | 12:59 |
| Kamion | 11:42 < Keybuk> Kamion: when I did msgmerge warty.po debian.po; I got the new debian strings, but the warty translations | 12:59 |
| Kamion | 11:42 < Keybuk> when I did msgmerge debian.po warty.po I got the debian translations, but not the new strnigs | 12:59 |
| Kamion | you *have* to do the update against new source lines before attempting to msgmerge | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | yeah, warty.po there has had debconf-updatepo run over it | 01:00 |
| Kamion | after patching the rest? | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | yup | 01:00 |
| Kamion | also, you need to use a compendium with pre-updatepo-warty.po | 01:00 |
| Kamion | the compendium is essential | 01:01 |
| Kamion | as far as I can tell | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | I couldn't get that to make any difference | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | with/without -C produced the same file | 01:01 |
| sjoerd | pitti: who should agree with that :) | 01:01 |
| Kamion | all I can say is "worked for me" :) | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I'll beat daf up to find some better way later | 01:01 |
| Kamion | I had to do some additional branding, but i expected that | 01:01 |
| pitti | sjoerd: well, before introducing a new group, it should at least be discussed on d-devel, or not? | 01:02 |
| Keybuk | applying po-tailored patch hunks seems to work too | 01:02 |
| sjoerd | pitti: for something like that, yeah probably | 01:02 |
| pitti | sjoerd: because it has wider use; e. g. libgphoto2 could use it, too | 01:02 |
| Keybuk | (after all, it has the ultimate same effect, "replace this msgstr with this one") | 01:02 |
| sjoerd | pitti: be my guest too propose it then | 01:02 |
| sjoerd | pitti: libgphoto2 uses camera currently.... | 01:02 |
| pitti | sjoerd: okay; I can explain the whole mechanism in Ubuntu and ask for opinions | 01:03 |
| sjoerd | pitti: yeah would be nice | 01:03 |
| pitti | sjoerd: camera is certainly okay, but does Debian really want camera, usbdrive, pcmciadrive, etc. | 01:03 |
| pitti | sjoerd: adding to my TODO list | 01:03 |
| sjoerd | pitti: dunno, i was also wondering about that | 01:03 |
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| Kamion | lamont: is somebody sorting out a live CD release announcement? question on ubuntu-devel@ ... | 01:29 |
| T-Bone | lamont: ping? | 01:30 |
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| Keybuk | * Considering evolution | 01:38 |
| Keybuk | ! 3 patch hunks dropped | 01:38 |
| Keybuk | * Building evolution_2.0.2-3ubuntu1.dsc | 01:38 |
| Keybuk | that's quite impressive, seeing as it's doing 1.4 -> 2.0 on both sides | 01:39 |
| lamont | Kamion: mako said he would put something together yesterday... | 01:44 |
| T-Bone | lamont: i'm facing a lot of "unmet dependencies" errors on stage2... | 01:45 |
| mako | Kamion: ergh, yes.. got sucked into cc stuff.. will do | 01:45 |
| Kamion | ta | 01:48 |
| lamont | Keybuk: impressive, or scary? :-) | 01:51 |
| lamont | T-Bone: so, um, build them.. :-) | 01:51 |
| lamont | T-Bone: example missing build-dep? | 01:52 |
| T-Bone | lamont: heh, i'm scared that if they are missing, it's because they didn't build in the first place ;) | 01:52 |
| lamont | probably | 01:52 |
| T-Bone | lamont: i have also stuff much more scary: | 01:52 |
| T-Bone | cpp-3.3: installed (negative dependency)(but version ok 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5 << 1:3.3.3-0pre1) | 01:52 |
| T-Bone | look at "<<" | 01:53 |
| T-Bone | that's the build log for xfree86. You can take a look at it, it's rather small (3k) | 01:54 |
| lamont | T-Bone: url? | 01:54 |
| lamont | or hostname? | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | lamont: well, it means either my hunk-at-a-time patcher works ... or there's a major bug in it noticing patch failures :p | 01:55 |
| lamont | Keybuk: yeah. cool. | 01:55 |
| T-Bone | lamont: http://envy.esiee.fr/~varenet/logs/xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25_20041027-1248 | 01:55 |
| lamont | t-bone: the neg dep is fine | 01:56 |
| lamont | it's the lack of libglide3-dev that's fatal. | 01:56 |
| T-Bone | ok | 01:56 |
| T-Bone | yep | 01:56 |
| T-Bone | but isn't it scary that it says "1:3.3.4 << 1:3.3.3" ? | 01:57 |
| lamont | it's a build-conflicts | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | lamont: what's cool is that it spins rookery's pid counter about 6 times on a run <g> | 01:57 |
| lamont | it could be that dpkg could use a better message, but keybuk is working on the merge, so lets leave him alone right now. :-) | 01:57 |
| lamont | Keybuk: lol | 01:57 |
| lamont | T-Bone: how did the stage1 glide build go? | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | that's an sbuild message, isn't it? | 01:58 |
| thom | Keybuk: you're a bad man | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | thom: I am? | 01:58 |
| T-Bone | lamont: do you know the package name? I can't find a stage1 log for "*glide*" :-/ | 01:59 |
| lamont | t-bone: apt-cache show libglide3-dev | grep ource | 01:59 |
| lamont | Source: glide | 01:59 |
| T-Bone | lamont: then i assume it didn't go | 01:59 |
| T-Bone | [varenet@envy ~] $ grep glide build_list | 01:59 |
| T-Bone | [varenet@envy ~] $ | 01:59 |
| T-Bone | looks like it wasn't kept by quinn-diff | 02:00 |
| lamont | try explicitly building it against stage1? | 02:00 |
| T-Bone | will do | 02:01 |
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| pitti | lamont: Hi, howdy! | 02:03 |
| pitti | lamont: Has the glibc issue been resolved? | 02:04 |
| fabbione | hey T-Bone | 02:04 |
| lamont | pitti: yeah. | 02:04 |
| pitti | lamont: mdz is sleeping, can you unleash the package to the security archive, too? (and call amber) | 02:05 |
| lamont | pitti: in debian/control.in/libc6, g/Architecture:/s/:/: amd64/ | 02:05 |
| === lamont can't, but I bet elmo can. | ||
| === lamont wonders how mark is doing on getting those elmo-clones in. | ||
| T-Bone | fabbione: howdy! | 02:06 |
| pitti | lamont: now it builds also on amd64? Must I upload a package with this change or did you already do this? | 02:06 |
| lamont | ubuntu2.2 is in the archive | 02:06 |
| lamont | well, source and binary are sitting there waiting to enter the archive when amber gets goosed | 02:06 |
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| Kamion | U := $(CURDIR)/debian/udev-udeb | 02:07 |
| Kamion | I just KNOW this is going to confuse me | 02:08 |
| pitti | lamont: argh, I have to wait for mdz anyway because only he can actually approve the mail to u-s-a | 02:08 |
| lamont | hoary.all.amd64:Total 1130 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 02:08 |
| lamont | hoary.all.i386:Total 472 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 02:08 |
| lamont | hoary.all.powerpc:Total 674 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 02:08 |
| Kamion | what's stuck with amd64? | 02:08 |
| lamont | Kamion: me. only 2 buildds atm, while the other 2 both have 3 | 02:09 |
| Kamion | ah | 02:09 |
| lamont | that and I had one of the 2 offline for a bit over an hour last night | 02:09 |
| lamont | Kamion: I need to resurrect king now that it's happy again. | 02:11 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: how is going the ia64 port? | 02:12 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: it's going ;^) | 02:12 |
| T-Bone | i'm experiencing build failures that have to be solved on a case-by-case basis, so that takes time | 02:13 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: i'm currently progressing in "stage2", aka "warty built against warty" | 02:13 |
| Kamion | hm ... I bet d-i doesn't have /bin/mountpoint | 02:14 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: cool. please let me know when you have a working pure warty chroot :-) | 02:14 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: heh. Don't worry, when that happens, i'll let people know! | 02:15 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 02:15 |
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| thom | lamont: what's the deal with gnutls? | 02:45 |
| lamont | thom: ftbfs? | 02:45 |
| lamont | doesn't seem to be... | 02:45 |
| thom | lamont: no, no. gnutls11 v gnutls10 | 02:46 |
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| sivang | morning folks | 02:46 |
| thom | are we standardising on 11 for hoary? | 02:46 |
| lamont | oh that... /me needs to request a sync of gnutls11 from debian (new package and all that...) | 02:47 |
| elmo | thom: yes | 02:52 |
| elmo | lamont: no, you don't | 02:52 |
| elmo | it's there | 02:52 |
| lamont | thom: metric boatload of changes if we don't, and no reason not to... | 02:52 |
| lamont | elmo: even better. | 02:52 |
| elmo | people just need to start merging packages that are being held back | 02:52 |
| robtaylor | amu: alive yet? | 02:52 |
| === lamont didn't see it.. | ||
| elmo | like libldap2 | 02:52 |
| lamont | DOH! | 02:52 |
| robtaylor | lamont: hal doesnt seem to work on the livecd... | 02:57 |
| robtaylor | :( | 02:57 |
| fabbione | daniels: please nuke Xprint out of X.org | 02:59 |
| fabbione | daniels: even upstream | 02:59 |
| fabbione | they don't deserve to live | 02:59 |
| fabbione | THEY MUST DIE NOW | 03:00 |
| Micksa | geez | 03:02 |
| Micksa | you don't like them? | 03:02 |
| thom | xprint is the stupidest idea in the world. EVAH. | 03:03 |
| Micksa | what's wrong with the idea? | 03:04 |
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| daniels | fabbione: i'm working on killing it upstream, so is everyone else | 03:06 |
| fabbione | daniels: thanks | 03:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: remember how I asked you not to ship it? :) | 03:06 |
| fabbione | daniels: THEY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EARTH just for the fact that they use their own site.def and another set of Imake Defines. | 03:07 |
| lamont | robtaylor: wonder if it's just that hal doesn't get started... | 03:07 |
| daniels | fabbione: xprint is total bong | 03:08 |
| lamont | try sudo /etc/init.d/hal start (or whatever it is...) | 03:08 |
| === enrico bans the xprint people from earth | ||
| === fabbione opens the "black bag" with the european nuclear sodomotron control | ||
| lamont | enrico: does that mean they'll be the first to get to mars? | 03:08 |
| enrico | lamont: probably. So they are the one that have to build the toilets | 03:09 |
| robtaylor | lamont: nope worse than that... see http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2758 | 03:09 |
| robtaylor | lamont: basically there seems to be a fundamental disconnect somwhere between the kernel and hald | 03:09 |
| lamont | robtaylor: like that livecd uses a completely different hw detection mechanism? would that explain it? | 03:10 |
| fabbione | lamont: no... they won't be the first anyway | 03:10 |
| fabbione | lamont: http://www.fabbione.net/bla/marte.jpg | 03:10 |
| fabbione | marte = mars | 03:10 |
| lamont | the mars expedition folks here in the states are headquartered in Boulder, CO. | 03:11 |
| lamont | fabbione: cool pic | 03:11 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: sheez, put ut some decent pizza place at least. ;) | 03:11 |
| robtaylor | lamont: i dont know.. bascially what happens is if you plug in a usb device , hal doesnt even get told of its existance - might be a dbus problem? if the devcie is plugged in at startup, then hal knows about it just fine... | 03:11 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 03:11 |
| lamont | robtaylor: could be. is dbus et al even running on a booted livecd? | 03:12 |
| robtaylor | lamont: you mentioned that mini_fo has problems with fs mapped usix sockets? maybe its this? | 03:12 |
| lamont | tcp sockets | 03:12 |
| lamont | specifically, polling on same with select | 03:12 |
| lamont | ==> apt http repositories fail | 03:13 |
| robtaylor | lamont: yep, dbus is running | 03:13 |
| robtaylor | lamont: oh, thats very odd | 03:13 |
| === robtaylor wonders why something in VFS land would effect berkeley sockets... | ||
| === Kamion builds a test d-i image with hotplug and udev. Wonder how well it'll work ... | ||
| Kamion | oh, shit, I need to be gone. Back in a few hours. | 03:14 |
| lamont | robtaylor: because dereferencing a null pointer in the fs layer before you _get_ to berkeley sockets is still fatal | 03:14 |
| robtaylor | Kamion: laters | 03:14 |
| robtaylor | lamont: sounds pretty scary, one way or another =) | 03:15 |
| lamont | yeah - still working out the right anagram expansion for minifo | 03:15 |
| lamont | (NFS == Not a File System" | 03:15 |
| robtaylor | Might interact nastily in filesystem operations? | 03:16 |
| lamont | s/interact/interfere/ | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | yeah | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | =D | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | i think we got it ;) | 03:17 |
| lamont | heh. that's the clean version | 03:17 |
| justdave | enrico: pong | 03:17 |
| enrico | justdave: hey! :) | 03:19 |
| enrico | justdave: solved, thanks | 03:19 |
| robtaylor | lamont: it just seems that the kernel isnt running hotplug .. | 03:20 |
| robtaylor | lamont: if i make hotplug.fuctions write stuff to a file whenever its invoked, nothing ever gets written to that file.. | 03:21 |
| robtaylor | unless somewhow the kernel is invoking hotplug in a different root ... is that even possible? | 03:22 |
| lamont | very | 03:30 |
| lamont | there's the real root, the basemod root, and the mainmod root. | 03:30 |
| lamont | pick one. :-( | 03:30 |
| robtaylor | but surely forat a given point the kernel should be invoking whatevers in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug in whatever is currently mounted as root? | 03:31 |
| robtaylor | s/forat/at | 03:31 |
| lamont | hence mdz's comment about chroot vs pivotroot | 03:32 |
| robtaylor | hmm. anyway i just tried touching /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug to see if it was a cached inode problem, but that didnt seem to fix it? | 03:32 |
| robtaylor | s/?/. | 03:32 |
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| robtaylor | ok, laters lamont | 03:33 |
| lamont | this up at 0530 crap is really annoying this night person. :-) | 03:33 |
| lamont | :-( | 03:33 |
| lamont | back in an hour or two | 03:33 |
| robtaylor | heh. slerep tight | 03:33 |
| fabbione | lamont: are you trying to turn into me, waking up at 5am each day? | 03:34 |
| lamont | fabbione: alarm clock goes off at 0530 every school day. kids leave for school 0645. If I drive, then I'm usually back at 0800, if I don't (like today), then I sometimes fall back into bed. | 03:35 |
| fabbione | oh yeah... | 03:36 |
| fabbione | forgot about the kids going to school | 03:36 |
| lamont | otoh, my split up day does make it easier for me to catch the non-US crowd(s). | 03:36 |
| lamont | anyway, bbl | 03:37 |
| fabbione | later | 03:37 |
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| thom | *sigh*; firefox has 24 bugs | 04:27 |
| Mithrandir | only 24? | 04:29 |
| thom | Mithrandir: most of them are upstream or weird crashers with flash or java | 04:29 |
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| Mithrandir | probably "if you feed it this invalid bytecode, the JVM will do funny things and crash FF" | 04:31 |
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| fabbione | AHHHHHHHH | 04:58 |
| fabbione | IT DOESN'T EVEN RESPECT THE OPTION TO NOT BUILD ITSELF! | 04:58 |
| === fabbione kills XPrint from the Imakefiles EVERYWHERE | ||
| === Mithrandir gives fabbione some beer | ||
| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks :-) | 05:05 |
| fabbione | root access at fd.org is enough | 05:05 |
| Mithrandir | we could just sit on daniels next time we meet him, until he gives us? | 05:05 |
| fabbione | rm -rf /var/lib/cvs/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/XpConfig would be enough | 05:05 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: eheheh | 05:06 |
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| thom | ok. firefox in warty is 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 | 05:13 |
| === daniels stares at thom. | ||
| elmo | seb128: ? | 05:13 |
| seb128 | elmo: ? | 05:13 |
| thom | is 1.0~0.10.1-0ubuntu1 a reasonable version for hoary? (can we use ~ yet?) | 05:13 |
| elmo | seb128: you're only doing ubuntu uploads were the are ubuntu changes, right ? | 05:14 |
| mdz | gah, did pitti leave? | 05:14 |
| elmo | thom: I don't know if we want to, but if the consensus is that you do, let me know, because I'll have to unblock it in katie | 05:14 |
| seb128 | elmo: hum ? I've uploaded new versions that are not and debian, and merged warty changes for the *gksu* | 05:15 |
| daniels | thom: hmm, since really < reverted, you could have 0.99+1.0PR.1+seriously+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1 | 05:15 |
| elmo | seb128: ok, I couldn't tell from your changelog, if there still warty changes or not.. just wanted to double check | 05:15 |
| seb128 | elmo: ok, that's fine, thanks for checking :) | 05:15 |
| === thom smites daniels with great and terrible wrath | ||
| daniels | or 'totally+1.0PR.1' | 05:16 |
| thom | i really don't want to go down the 0.999 road | 05:17 |
| sid77 | 0.999 is evil (almost) | 05:18 |
| daniels | sid77: as opposed to 0.99+1.0PR.1+seriously+1.0PR.1? | 05:19 |
| aj | elmo: does dak logging/etc deal with ~ okay now? | 05:19 |
| sid77 | daniels, that is evil (completely) | 05:20 |
| thom | so the quick answer was "no, you can't use ~. KTHXBYE" | 05:20 |
| thom | ;-) | 05:20 |
| elmo | aj: no, that was implicit in "unblock", i.e. use something other than tilde-seperated-value for logging :) | 05:20 |
| aj | elmo: heh | 05:21 |
| elmo | thom: no, the katie thing can and should be fixed - the answer to your question is independent to that | 05:21 |
| aj | thom: "1.0~0.10.1-0ubuntu1" is hella complicated; the 0.10.1 can't be just pre1? | 05:22 |
| thom | aj: probably, yes | 05:24 |
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| thom | mdz: ^ ? | 05:26 |
| mdz | thom: ? | 05:27 |
| thom | mdz: thoughts on firefox versioning? | 05:27 |
| mdz | thom: for going back to 1.0PR? | 05:27 |
| thom | yeah | 05:27 |
| Keybuk | 1.0~PR ? | 05:27 |
| thom | (with appropriate patches) | 05:27 |
| thom | Keybuk: my suggestion was close to that, yes | 05:28 |
| jdub | tilde? | 05:28 |
| Keybuk | jdub: sorts less than null, so 1.0~ < 1.0 | 05:28 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: tilde mean "less than" in newage debian versioning speak. | 05:28 |
| jdub | heh | 05:28 |
| === Mithrandir ducks | ||
| Mithrandir | or less than zero | 05:29 |
| Mithrandir | minus epsilon | 05:29 |
| Mithrandir | or something | 05:29 |
| Keybuk | it's a bugger to explain, isn't it <g> | 05:29 |
| aj | "actually, immediately prior to what i just said" kinda works | 05:29 |
| aj | "it's version 1.0 -- actually just before 1.0 -- sub version pre1" | 05:30 |
| === Keybuk calls them pre-versions | ||
| jdub | perhaps "... but i'm bullshitting you" works | 05:30 |
| aj | nah, better to reserve that for the 0.999-but-really-1.0pre1 versions out there | 05:31 |
| mdz | thom: '~' gives me the fright | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | mdz: any particular reason? | 05:33 |
| aj | mdz: ooo, costume ideas for halloween | 05:33 |
| mdz | Keybuk: because nobody has used it for anything particularly important yet | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | that's because the Debian archive won't accept them until dpkg 1.10 is in a stable release | 05:33 |
| mdz | but of course, now is the time to break it if it 's going to break... | 05:33 |
| === Mithrandir tries to imagine aj dressed up as a tilde. | ||
| mdz | it needs an elmo signoff | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | I was kinda nervous, then I read the code and it was a "woah! that's actually really elegant" when I saw how it was implemented | 05:34 |
| aj | /msg elmo quick: type /quit ~ is okay by me! | 05:34 |
| aj | Keybuk: (of /course/ it was really elegant...) | 05:34 |
| fabbione | hey mdz | 05:35 |
| aj | (i mean, really -- code getting into dpkg without being elegant? the very thought!) | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | aj: yeah, I mean, it's so great that I could merge the bzip2 stuff in and being totally sure it would just work | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | the fact it didn't even *compile* because someone typo'd the #ifdef so never actually ever ran it was a figment of my imagination | 05:36 |
| aj | Keybuk: i guess you take drugs for that now though? | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | aj: I must be, for agreeing to maintain the fucking thing :p | 05:37 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: did you ever agree to it? | 05:37 |
| aj | Keybuk: oh dear, never a good sign when you don't know what drugs you're taking | 05:37 |
| Mithrandir | I thought we just made you? | 05:37 |
| elmo | mdz: I'll need to unbreak katie - but I thought you had concerns about back compat or so? | 05:38 |
| mdz | elmo: depends on whether sarge releases before hoary | 05:39 |
| mdz | well | 05:39 |
| mdz | mozilla-firefox isn't even in woody, is it? | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | no | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | it didn't *exist* when woody was released | 05:39 |
| jdub | (haw haw) | 05:40 |
| aj | i don't see how it matters even if hoary releases before sarge? | 05:40 |
| mdz | aj: if hoary releases before sarge, we will support upgrades from woody to hoary | 05:40 |
| aj | you've got 1.0.1 in woody, 1.1 in warty, 1.2~1 in hoary, 1.2 in sarge | 05:40 |
| aj | your only bug is if someone uses woody's dpkg, and installs the package from hoary or sarge, then tries pointing apt and the other, without ever upgrading dpkg/apt | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | mdz: but we don't support upgrades from woody to warty ? | 05:41 |
| mdz | Keybuk: of course we do | 05:43 |
| Micksa | lifeless: I'm still undecided on whether to come on on friday. | 05:44 |
| Micksa | oops. | 05:44 |
| Micksa | grah | 05:44 |
| mdz | thom: why don't we stick with what Debian is doing? they seem to have 0.10.1+1.0PR | 05:45 |
| mdz | that's newer than 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 | 05:45 |
| === Keybuk covers his eyes! | ||
| Mithrandir | 0.100.1+1.0PR ? | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | it really isn't dude | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | 0.10 < 0.99 | 05:45 |
| mdz | oh, missed the 0.99 | 05:46 |
| thom | 0.10.1 so isn't hiugher | 05:46 |
| mdz | wtf is 0.99? | 05:46 |
| mdz | I read it as 0.9 | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | mdz: nearly but not quite | 05:46 |
| sid77 | what about a 0.9.3-<current version>? | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | sid77: 9 < 99 | 05:46 |
| thom | 0.99 was my screwup early on | 05:46 |
| mdz | thom: if elmo is ok with ~, I'm ok with ~ | 05:46 |
| mdz | elmo: you need to unbreak katie, or you need to remove the fascist check that forbids ~? | 05:47 |
| mdz | I thought katie used apt's version comparison code | 05:47 |
| sid77 | Keybuk, right, but doesn't it start from 0.9.3? | 05:47 |
| elmo | mdz: it does - I thought apt supported ~ ? | 05:47 |
| mdz | elmo: it does | 05:47 |
| mdz | elmo: so what unbreaking is required? | 05:48 |
| thom | mdz: 16:20 < elmo> aj: no, that was implicit in "unblock", i.e. use something other than tilde-seperated-value for logging :) | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | sid77: 0.9 is less than 0.99 because 9 is less than 99 | 05:48 |
| elmo | mdz: I use ~ as a separator in log files. go me. | 05:48 |
| mdz | elmo: oh, rad | 05:48 |
| elmo | and also there's a regex which checks for "validity" which needs updated, but that's trivial | 05:48 |
| thom | yay for intra debian communication | 05:48 |
| thom | ;-) | 05:48 |
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| mdz | "implement"? | 05:49 |
| elmo | thom: it's nothing to do with intra debian communication, tilde-seperated log files are something I picked up from work, and at the time I wrote the katie stuff, ~ wasn't even being discussed for versions | 05:49 |
| elmo | err, previous work, obviously | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | we're fast running out of silly characters to use for things | 05:49 |
| sparkes | yay, utf | 05:49 |
| mdz | \000 | 05:50 |
| sid77 | Keybuk, maybe we should introduce a new number space where 99 < 9 :) | 05:50 |
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| Keybuk | thom: does firefox use libtool anywhere? | 05:53 |
| lifeless | sid77: aleph-1 ? | 05:53 |
| lifeless | (as opposed to aleph1) | 05:53 |
| thom | Keybuk: oh christ | 05:54 |
| sid77 | lifeless, geeee... | 05:54 |
| mdz | elmo: is it realistic to change that in order to allow for thom's firefox upload? or do we need to do something else for the short term? | 05:54 |
| elmo | mdz: I can probably fix it tonight - shouldn't take long | 05:55 |
| mdz | Keybuk: will libtool require un-breaking as well? | 05:55 |
| Keybuk | yes | 05:55 |
| mdz | hell | 05:56 |
| === Keybuk considers what other silly character to use as $IFS <g> | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: how bad is it? | 05:56 |
| elmo | why would libtool care about the Debian version ? | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | mdz: you know Libtool just flatly falls on its face and flops about when you have spaces in file or directory names? | 05:56 |
| thom | elmo: the ~ is in the upstream version? | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | elmo: mozilla-firefox-1.0~1/debian/... | 05:57 |
| elmo | this is going in the filename?? | 05:57 |
| Keybuk | elmo: goes in the directory name, doesn't it | 05:57 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: sure, but we're not giving it spacess, we're giving it tildes :-) | 05:57 |
| thom | ok, so maybe i'll work on some other stuff for a while :-) | 05:57 |
| Keybuk | mdz: libtool uses IFS="~" internally for some things | 05:58 |
| mdz | err | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | (multi-command link lines) | 05:58 |
| mdz | it's starting to sound like it would be easier to fix dpkg and apt :-P | 05:58 |
| seb128 | jdub: | 05:58 |
| seb128 | <CIA-1> cneumair * gnome-panel/gnome-panel/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) | 05:58 |
| seb128 | <CIA-1> Fix bug #143963 [http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143963] : "Remove Distro Menu". | 05:58 |
| seb128 | jdub: finally :p | 05:58 |
| jdub | hooray! :) | 05:58 |
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| Keybuk | thom: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/keybuk-tilde-beep.patch is the libtool patch | 06:06 |
| daniels | Keybuk: dude, BEL? seek professional help. like, three weeks ago. | 06:07 |
| Keybuk | daniels: well, it's unlikely to appear in filenames <g> | 06:07 |
| Keybuk | (well, unless your cat walks across your keyboard while in vi) | 06:08 |
| daniels | libtool has destroyed your brain | 06:08 |
| thom | holy mother of god save us. | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | it was ^M, but some editors "helpfully" strip that | 06:09 |
| === daniels stares at Keybuk. | ||
| aj | Keybuk: it'd be possible to have "1:1.0~pre1" be translated to "1.0pre1" for user visible stuff, like filenames, directory names, dselect, etc. that'd make things like 1.0~1 suck, of course. | 06:10 |
| Keybuk | aj: that's the other solution, yes. fix dpkg-source | 06:10 |
| Keybuk | that's actually less sick than it sounds, because we already don't put the epoch and ':' in filenames | 06:11 |
| aj | apt does, but url escapes them | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | tar gets somewhat upset when asked to do 'tar czf blah_1:1.0.orig.tar.gz blah-1:1.0' | 06:11 |
| aj | really? | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | sure | 06:11 |
| aj | why? | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | it thinks blah-1 is a hostname to rcp 1.0 from | 06:12 |
| aj | really?? | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | yup | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | you've never encountered this before?! :p | 06:12 |
| aj | i don't use colons in filenames :) | 06:12 |
| aj | nor do i use rsh :) | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | this is the reason dpkg hides the epoch from the filenames | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | it breaks things :p | 06:12 |
| thom | that sounds like a much saner approach for ~ too | 06:14 |
| aj | wow, tar sucks | 06:14 |
| elmo | Keybuk: WTF dude, neither had you till a week ago - I told you about it in London :-P | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | elmo: true :o) | 06:14 |
| aj | geez, elmo's such a spoil sport | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | that was the first time I'd encountered it <g> | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | and, admittedly, probably the first time I'd ever tried to use ':' in a filename | 06:14 |
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| aj | tar czvf - foo:bar > foo:bar.tgz works though :-/ | 06:16 |
| aj | ahh, gnu tools. gotta love 'em. | 06:16 |
| === Keybuk ponders which of s/~// and s/~/%7f/ is the least sick | ||
| robtaylor | Keybuk: s/~/LESSTHANONOTREALLYMAYBE/ ;~) | 06:19 |
| robtaylor | lets keep that clear semantic information intact ;-) | 06:19 |
| jdub | night all | 06:22 |
| robtaylor | night jdub | 06:24 |
| === sid77 bye | ||
| Keybuk | %7F is ugly | 06:25 |
| === Keybuk squirms | ||
| Keybuk | dpkg-source.pl: extracting build-essential in build-essential-11%7F | 06:25 |
| Keybuk | much cuter without it | 06:26 |
| thom | yes | 06:26 |
| thom | that is quite nasty | 06:26 |
| Keybuk | dpkg-source.pl: extracting build-essential in build-essential-11_ | 06:27 |
| Keybuk | a little nicer | 06:27 |
| Keybuk | bleh | 06:27 |
| robtaylor | heh. more mathematicallys s/~/)/ | 06:28 |
| robtaylor | ;) | 06:28 |
| robtaylor | (out of interest.. whats the problem with just using ~ in the filename?) | 06:30 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: libtool go boom | 06:32 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: ah . boh | 06:32 |
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| Keybuk | though I actually can't make it fail now, amusingly | 06:34 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: is there a particular reason it might choke on ~? | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: yeah, uses IFS=~ internally | 06:34 |
| robtaylor | ahhh | 06:35 |
| robtaylor | ugh | 06:35 |
| Keybuk | though it's now working on places it should fail | 06:35 |
| Keybuk | ar cru .libs/libtest.a /home/scott/tmp/tilde~test/test2.o | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | ranlib .libs/libtest.a | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | -- | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | that should fail, theoretically | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | maybe it's just 1.4 which breaks, in which case I don't care | 06:38 |
| Keybuk | (you can see I really tested this, can't you :p) | 06:38 |
| robtaylor | heheh | 06:38 |
| robtaylor | isnt that waht users are for? ;) | 06:38 |
| Keybuk | thom: can you try building firefox in a dir with ~ in it ... I have a hunch it'll work | 06:40 |
| Keybuk | my libtool test suite *cough*gnome*cough* builds ok | 06:41 |
| thom | heh | 06:41 |
| Keybuk | 1.4 does fail | 06:41 |
| Keybuk | but 1.5 actually doesn't eval the variables until inside the loop (at which point the IFS=~ doesn't matter) | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | save_ifs="$IFS"; IFS='~' | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | for cmd in $cmds; do | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | IFS="$save_ifs" | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | eval cmd=\"$cmd\" | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | so the variable with the directory name in it doesn't get expanded inside $cmd until afterwards | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | cool | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | o.o | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | Where would i go to discuss proactive security (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurity) and the development of Ubuntu (and Debian by upwards inheritance) to include enhancements not detrimental to the user experience or to binary compatibility? | 06:45 |
| Keybuk | gah, pretty initscripts make merging hurt | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) ls -bFh --color=auto -d ../sources/*/results | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | gee... thanks | 06:59 |
| thom | Keybuk: it's still running, but it's not blown up | 07:03 |
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| Keybuk | elmo: do you want a list of things we can actually just sync from Debian again? | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | most of lamont's libtiff4-fest for example | 07:05 |
| Kamion | hm, I do like the way my random test Ubuntu installs are set up with a random language | 07:06 |
| Kamion | and keyboard layout; makes for extra fun when typing passwords | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:06 |
| thom | heh | 07:07 |
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| Kamion | hooray, my udev-ised test CD ... totally blows up | 07:12 |
| thom | rock on | 07:13 |
| mdz | Keybuk: do you have a merged alsa-utils? | 07:14 |
| Keybuk | yup, want it? | 07:15 |
| mdz | yup | 07:15 |
| thom | < Tybstar> it would be cool if CUPS had a reasonable default paper size depending on the location you picked at install | 07:15 |
| mdz | thom: yes, it would | 07:16 |
| thom | (he works for specifix, who do conary) | 07:16 |
| thom | oh dear: | 07:17 |
| thom | 18:15 < sri> fer: just think how awsome the porn would be, various actions related to each stage woo.. | 07:17 |
| thom | 18:15 < fer> sri: wops | 07:17 |
| thom | (on graphical boot) | 07:17 |
| === bluefoxicy pokes people | ||
| thom | 18:16 * sri can imagine hww delicious fscking would be :) | 07:18 |
| thom | 18:16 < fer> linux-2.6.9-p0rn1 | 07:18 |
| thom | 18:16 < fer> and mount! | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/alsa-utils/ | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | there's an oddness there, it looks like Debian dropped 90_debian_alsaconf.dpatch | 07:19 |
| Kamion | ah, busybox mount doesn't support --bind, hmm | 07:19 |
| Keybuk | and there's a few Debian changes to control in .dropped that didn't apply | 07:19 |
| mdz | thom: CRACK | 07:23 |
| thom | mdz: *g* | 07:23 |
| mdz | Keybuk: if debian dropped that patch, why is it still in debian/patches in the output? | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | mdz: because we changed it | 07:23 |
| mdz | we what? | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | we changed 90_debian_alsaconf.patch | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | -+ cfgfile="/etc/alsa/modutils/1.0" | 07:24 |
| Keybuk | ++ cfgfile="/etc/modutils/alsa-base" | 07:24 |
| Keybuk | specifically | 07:24 |
| mdz | ok, that's not important, since we later dropped alsaconf entirely | 07:24 |
| Keybuk | bit trivial really :) should be easy to resolve, find which of the tree split files that's in, fix it, and kill the warty file | 07:24 |
| mdz | I wonder if it's fixed in 1.0.6 | 07:24 |
| Keybuk | _warty.patch is the base->warty patch, _debian.patch is base->debian, _hoary.patch is debian->merge | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | so you pretty much side-by-side compare _warty.patch and _hoary.patch to see whether anything went wrong | 07:26 |
| mdz | where did all these control file changes come from? | 07:27 |
| mdz | they're not in the changelog | 07:27 |
| === mdz looks at fabbione | ||
| Keybuk | "fabbione" :) | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | the ones in .dropped are *Debian* changes | 07:27 |
| Kamion | mmmkay, I wonder if d-i trunk is hosed at the moment | 07:27 |
| Keybuk | the ones in _warty.patch were our changes | 07:28 |
| mdz | where is .dropped? | 07:28 |
| Kamion | there's some very suspicious pissing about with /proc/self/fd/0 and /dev/console | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | same directory | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/alsa-utils/alsa-utils-1.0.6.dropped | 07:28 |
| mdz | ah, my 'get *' didn't get it | 07:28 |
| mdz | oh, yes it did | 07:28 |
| Keybuk | that basically logs the IKEA "I put it together, what's this bit for?" hunks | 07:28 |
| mdz | I thought you meant literally ".dropped" | 07:28 |
| Kamion | #6 | 07:29 |
| Kamion | (oops) | 07:29 |
| bluefoxicy | o_o | 07:29 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm. | 07:30 |
| bluefoxicy | Noo ne? | 07:30 |
| mdz | Keybuk: the reason that one fell out is because fabio changed the Maintainer: field in the ubuntu branch for some reason | 07:30 |
| Keybuk | yup | 07:30 |
| Keybuk | not sure why the description fell out, I suspect just because it was a bit too close | 07:31 |
| thom | bluefoxicy: the ubuntu devel mailing list would seem to be appropriate | 07:31 |
| mdz | Keybuk: resolved, uploaded | 07:34 |
| Keybuk | cool, I'm just finishing off the last of the packages without a .dropped (basically checking things are sane) | 07:34 |
| mdz | Keybuk: did you get official word from elmo about your key? | 07:34 |
| Keybuk | then I'll stick them all somewhere | 07:34 |
| Keybuk | mdz: not yet | 07:34 |
| mdz | mdz@jackass:~ $ gpg --keyring /srv/keyring.no-name-yet.com/keyrings/ubuntu-keyring.gpg --list-keys remnant | 07:35 |
| mdz | pub 1024D/84AD676C 1999-12-30 Scott James Remnant <scott@netsplit.com> | 07:35 |
| mdz | looks to me like it's there, as it should be | 07:36 |
| Keybuk | that's the wrong one | 07:36 |
| bluefoxicy | thom: oy now I have to find those- | 07:36 |
| Keybuk | C978C8AE is my canonical key | 07:36 |
| === bluefoxicy is subscribed to something like 36 MLs | ||
| bluefoxicy | thom: no better suggestions? | 07:36 |
| mdz | Keybuk: does there exist a copy of that key with useful signatures on it? | 07:40 |
| mdz | I seem to have one in my keyring, but it has zero signatures | 07:41 |
| seb128 | hum. Any way to get a sync for librsvg2 2.8.1-1 ? The warty changes are in the new debian version too | 07:41 |
| mdz | seb128: sure, just email elmo | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | mdz: should be signed by daniels, fabbione, lalo and debonzi | 07:42 |
| mdz | Keybuk: but where? | 07:42 |
| mdz | it's not on pgp.net or keyring.d.o | 07:42 |
| mdz | Keybuk: if you only keep the signatures locally, it doesn't count :-) | 07:42 |
| Keybuk | subkeys.pgp.net has them | 07:44 |
| seb128 | elmo: any way to get a sync from debian for librsvg2 2.8.1-1 ? The warty changes are in the new debian version | 07:47 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 07:48 |
| seb128 | thanks ! | 07:48 |
| bob2 | hm, why is "apache-common" in main, while the rest of apache 1 is in universe? | 07:50 |
| elmo | it's not | 07:51 |
| elmo | apache-dev is in main too | 07:51 |
| elmo | for php4 | 07:51 |
| elmo | (b-d) | 07:51 |
| bob2 | hrm, ok | 07:51 |
| bob2 | well, the apache 1 daemon is in universe at least | 07:51 |
| bob2 | oh, ew, some of apache 1 is in main so libapache2-mod-php4 can build? | 07:52 |
| Kamion | hm, current grub seems to build-dep on type-handling too ... | 07:53 |
| mdz | that type-handing crack needs to go | 07:54 |
| mdz | grub.maintainer == type-handling.maintainer, I think | 07:55 |
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| Kamion | mdz: yes | 08:02 |
| Kamion | mdz: you misspelt "dealer" | 08:02 |
| === mdz nods | ||
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| mdz | lamont: ping? | 08:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: are you running britney or anything like that over hoary yet? | 08:03 |
| mdz | do we have some idea what the dependency breakage is like? | 08:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: elmo runs it now, I just mirror it | 08:04 |
| Keybuk | -Maintainer: Tommi Virtanen <tv@debian.org> | 08:04 |
| Keybuk | +Maintainer: Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@fabbione.net> | 08:04 |
| Keybuk | heh | 08:04 |
| elmo | mdz: yeah, it's bad, 'cos of gnutls mostly AFAICS from a quick glance | 08:04 |
| elmo | which should be building now | 08:04 |
| __daniel | britney? | 08:04 |
| Kamion | mdz: but it's in the same place, yes | 08:04 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/ | 08:04 |
| mdz | Keybuk: which package is that? | 08:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: found it, thanks | 08:05 |
| Kamion | __daniel: script that manages Debian's testing distribution; we run it in a very cut-down form to check for dependency breakage | 08:05 |
| mdz | elmo: gnutls caused binary deps to break? or build-deps? | 08:05 |
| elmo | mdz: binary, gnutls10 -> 11 transition | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | mdz: uh, python-osd I think | 08:06 |
| elmo | e.g. libldap2 is uninstallable | 08:06 |
| Keybuk | I went past it pretty quickly with a giggle | 08:06 |
| __daniel | Kamion: wow - that sounds cool - every time i hear about debian / ubuntu infrastructure i'm absolutely impressed | 08:06 |
| mdz | ah, right, all the libgnutls10 deps on our existing binaries | 08:06 |
| mdz | that sort of sucks | 08:06 |
| Kamion | __daniel: was kind of a necessity when we were putting things together, otherwise the only way to tell whether warty was hosed was to build a CD, rsync it down, burn it, boot/install it, and see if it worked | 08:07 |
| Kamion | __daniel: I got bored of doing that very quickly :) | 08:08 |
| __daniel | kamion: that's what mvo_ told me (he lives just some km s away from me): "after some time, you just see, what the infrastructure DOESN'T do for you" | 08:09 |
| __daniel | i'm still very perplexed by it all :-) | 08:09 |
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| mdz | elmo: so once gnutls is built, we need to rebuild pretty much everything? | 08:28 |
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| lamont | mdz: ack | 08:38 |
| mdz | lamont: what does the hoary buildd picture look like? | 08:39 |
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| lamont | hoary.all.amd64:Total 894 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 08:40 |
| lamont | hoary.all.i386:Total 1 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 08:40 |
| lamont | hoary.all.powerpc:Total 181 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 08:40 |
| lamont | working on that amd64 thing now | 08:40 |
| lamont | which is part of why it's behind - took one buildd offline to clone the 4 chroots | 08:41 |
| mdz | lamont: thanks | 08:42 |
| mdz | lamont: also, how many packages will we need to rebuild to fix the gnutls situation? | 08:43 |
| lamont | gnutls11 is in the archive, with stuff depwaitng on it - you're after that count? | 08:44 |
| lamont | hoary.all.amd64 18 | 08:44 |
| lamont | hoary.all.i386 21 | 08:44 |
| lamont | hoary.all.powerpc 20 | 08:44 |
| lamont | packages dep-wait libgnutls11-dev | 08:45 |
| mdz | lamont: I mean, we have a bunch of pakcages which depend: libgnutls10 | 08:49 |
| mdz | do all of those have new versions which build-dep on the new gnutls? | 08:49 |
| mdz | or will we need to build some of them explicitly? | 08:49 |
| lamont | ah, will check. | 08:50 |
| mdz | thanks | 08:50 |
| lamont | fwiw, gnutls10 is there, but I gather we want it to go away. | 08:51 |
| lamont | 70+packages with the depends... I'm going to let the dust settle on the buildd and then figure out where we are, I think. | 08:52 |
| lamont | meanwhile, fixing amd64 | 08:52 |
| mdz | lamont: gnutls10 binaries will vanish once gnutls11 binaries appear, no? | 08:54 |
| mdz | lamont: from the numbers you gave above, it looks like i386 dust is quite settled already | 08:55 |
| elmo | mdz: no | 08:56 |
| elmo | it's two separate source packages | 08:56 |
| mdz | oh | 08:56 |
| T-Bone | lamont: i'm currently under 50% packages successfully built on stage2 | 08:56 |
| mdz | so we don't actually have a problem, then, do we? | 08:56 |
| mdz | the stuff which depends on gnutls10 will be satisfied | 08:57 |
| elmo | mdz: e.g. libldap2 is uninstallable | 08:57 |
| elmo | because although both are there, they aren't co-installable | 08:58 |
| elmo | so we need to get our libraries transitioned over ASAP | 08:58 |
| mdz | oh | 08:58 |
| mdz | I thought Debian did this transition for sarge | 08:58 |
| mdz | is it blocked by packages which need merging? | 08:59 |
| Kamion | there were a few transitions involved, I believe | 08:59 |
| mdz | ah, openldap2 is branched | 08:59 |
| elmo | right | 08:59 |
| elmo | I mentioned this last night - probably should filed a bug, sorry | 09:00 |
| mdz | Keybuk: openldap2? | 09:00 |
| elmo | btw - does anyone have any clever ideas on how to fix the problem that we have two suites and the same arch/version of a package wants to be in different components in each suite? | 09:00 |
| Kamion | anyone know what's responsible for starting udevd? | 09:01 |
| Kamion | I'm booting a d-i CD here with init=/bin/sh, and udevd is started right at the very beginning of the initrd; I can't figure out what's doing it | 09:01 |
| lamont | elmo: python? :-) | 09:02 |
| mdz | openldap2 -2ubuntu1 and -2ubuntu2 seem to be present in Debian | 09:02 |
| Kamion | component overrides? :-) | 09:02 |
| lamont | sounds like the component tuple needs to grow by suite-name... | 09:02 |
| lamont | mdz: do I want to know who the uploader was? | 09:02 |
| elmo | nono | 09:03 |
| elmo | remember the pool is split by component | 09:03 |
| mdz | lamont: no, I mean the changes | 09:03 |
| mdz | -2ubuntu1 and -2ubuntu2 were ubuutu backports from Debian | 09:03 |
| Kamion | elmo: oh, toss | 09:03 |
| elmo | so say we have dpkg_1.9.21 in warty/main, if it's demoted to universe in hoary/, it has to physically move from pool/main, to pool/universe | 09:03 |
| Kamion | elmo: hardlinks? | 09:03 |
| elmo | oh, hmm, then again.. why does it? :> | 09:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: weird, re: udevd | 09:03 |
| Kamion | elmo: mirrors would probably kind of like it to | 09:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: I didn't think anything other than S04udev started udevd | 09:04 |
| Kamion | at least people who don't mirror pool/universe/ (in the vice-versa situation) | 09:04 |
| lamont | mdz: ah, that helps | 09:04 |
| Kamion | elmo: such as, hm, just for example, cdimage :-) | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, there's a openldap2 -- am going to re-run these though with the new .po handling Kamion's just helped me with | 09:04 |
| mdz | Keybuk: openldap2 doesn't have any .po file changes | 09:04 |
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| Keybuk | ok, hang on then | 09:05 |
| Kamion | mdz: yeah, I'm stumped | 09:05 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/openldap2/ | 09:06 |
| mdz | Kamion: maybe the udev hotplug hook starts udevd if it isn't running? | 09:06 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: fetching, thanks | 09:06 |
| Keybuk | note that the stuff in .dropped *isn't* identically present in Debian | 09:06 |
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| Keybuk | (though if you're lucky it's a silly whitespace change or something) | 09:07 |
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| Kamion | mdz: the string "udevd" doesn't appear anywhere in the initrd | 09:09 |
| mdz | Kamion: er, so udevd isn't actually present? | 09:09 |
| Kamion | /sbin/udevd is there | 09:09 |
| mdz | that counts as a string :-) | 09:09 |
| Kamion | no other occurrence of udevd in filenames though | 09:09 |
| Kamion | er, files | 09:09 |
| mdz | Kamion: what's in /etc/hotplug.d? | 09:10 |
| Kamion | chandev default dock ieee1394 input net pci scsi usb | 09:10 |
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| Kamion | ah, default/10-udev.hotplug is a symlink to udevsend | 09:10 |
| Kamion | that probably explains it | 09:11 |
| mdz | Kamion: that's what I meant by: <mdz> Kamion: maybe the udev hotplug hook starts udevd if it isn't running? | 09:11 |
| Kamion | right, I missed it 'cos it was a symlink | 09:11 |
| mdz | If udevd isnt already running, udevsend will start it. | 09:12 |
| mdz | (udevsend(8)) | 09:12 |
| Kamion | is there a way to tell it to queue events instead? | 09:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: kill -STOP udevd? :-) | 09:12 |
| Kamion | no, I have to make it go away | 09:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: you could disable hotplug | 09:12 |
| Kamion | it's stopping me umounting /initrd | 09:12 |
| Kamion | from where? :) | 09:13 |
| mdz | sysctl | 09:13 |
| Kamion | run from where? | 09:13 |
| Kamion | this is *before /sbin/init* | 09:13 |
| mdz | seb128: here? | 09:13 |
| mdz | Kamion: *blink* | 09:13 |
| seb128 | mdz: yes | 09:13 |
| Kamion | mdz: or, at least, before I can guaranteeably do anything; umount /initrd is the second command in /sbin/init, and it's failing because udevd is running | 09:14 |
| mdz | seb128: gnome-settings-daemon segfaults in hoary | 09:14 |
| mdz | seb128: is this expected? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | mdz: no | 09:14 |
| seb128 | let me upgrade my test box | 09:14 |
| Kamion | maybe I could install hotplug somewhere different and move it into place after pivot_root or something | 09:15 |
| mdz | seb128: /msg'd you the backtrace | 09:15 |
| Kamion | I can't wait until anna | 09:15 |
| seb128 | mdz: ok, thanks | 09:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: is there a way to set a sysctl from the kernel command line? | 09:16 |
| Kamion | mdz: hm, the kernel command line is already running badly out of space for preseeders, don't want to stress it any more | 09:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: you could just fuser -mk before unmounting it | 09:16 |
| Kamion | no fuser, and not sure I want to risk killing udevd in the middle of handling an event | 09:16 |
| mdz | if it's running in something that isn't the real root anymore, should be fairly harmless | 09:17 |
| Kamion | yeah, but it might mean some bit of hardware doesn't get recognised | 09:17 |
| Kamion | or? | 09:17 |
| Kamion | I always thought boot events were queued | 09:17 |
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| mdz | Kamion: later on in the boot process, the udev init script tells it to create nodes for everything it already knows about | 09:19 |
| Kamion | I think it's probably going to be more predictable to ensure hotplug is not run in the initrd | 09:20 |
| mdz | I imagine that in a normal system, the events are just ignored in the initrd, since it doesn't have hotplug | 09:20 |
| Kamion | yeah | 09:20 |
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| seb128 | mdz: control-center crash fixed in 2.8.1-0ubuntu2 just uploaded | 09:26 |
| mdz | thanks | 09:27 |
| Kamion | mdz: lucky you backed out that perl-in-hotplug thing actually, otherwise trying to use it in d-i would be a total bust | 09:27 |
| seb128 | np | 09:27 |
| elmo | kamion: ah, yeah, damn, fair point | 09:28 |
| Kamion | I suspect there'll be problems anyway, /etc/hotplug/*.rc uses a load of stuff that I bet isn't available in busybox | 09:29 |
| Kamion | elmo: since it needs to be available in both places, hardlinks/copies are probably the only option :( | 09:31 |
| elmo | yeah, but the whole point of pools was to avoid managing hardlink farms. gar, sucks. | 09:31 |
| Kamion | yeah, I know :( | 09:31 |
| Kamion | mdz: hm, bright spark here has just realised that it might be kind of useful to have modules.pcimap available; hotplug does need that even in 2.6, right? | 09:33 |
| Kamion | modules.*map I guess | 09:33 |
| mdz | yes | 09:33 |
| Kamion | arrrr, this sucks, they're huge | 09:33 |
| mdz | crap | 09:33 |
| mdz | I didn't type that fast enough to evade workrave | 09:33 |
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| Kamion | although only 63K compressed, I guess | 09:33 |
| mdz | I haven't figured out its algorithm yet, but it has a certain small tolerance built into it | 09:34 |
| Kamion | maybe I can figure out a reduction algorithm; like, only include the lines that actually match modules available in d-i :-) | 09:35 |
| Kamion | there is a problem with amd64: the boot messages are visible for about a tenth of a second :P | 09:37 |
| mdz | Kamion: gzipping them wouldn't be a half bad idea, except that hotplug reads them about 80 BILLION TIMES | 09:37 |
| Kamion | mdz: don't care so much about uncompressed size for now, although the lowmem people will care | 09:38 |
| mdz | I'm surprised they don't compress better than that | 09:38 |
| mdz | mdz@potpal:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386 $ cat *map |wc -c | 09:38 |
| mdz | 324028 | 09:38 |
| mdz | mdz@potpal:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386 $ cat *map |gzip -9 |wc -c | 09:38 |
| mdz | 15500 | 09:38 |
| Kamion | oh, I was using modules.* | 09:39 |
| mdz | not entirely sure whether modules.alias is used still | 09:39 |
| mdz | modules.dep you need anyway, of course | 09:39 |
| Kamion | I think it | 09:40 |
| Kamion | 's reduced, though | 09:40 |
| mdz | elmo: gnutls11 is built, but its binaries are in universe (though depended upon by packages in main) | 09:41 |
| elmo | mdz: yeah | 09:41 |
| seb128 | mdz: libxml++2.6 is new in deb and not in universe ... what should be done to get it, just ask a sync ? | 09:43 |
| elmo | libgcrypt11 would be another one to merge | 09:43 |
| elmo | seb128: we're missing new packages ATM, I'll hopefully fix that tonight | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 09:44 |
| mdz | elmo: libgcrypt11 is safe to overwrite with the version from Debian, please sync it | 09:45 |
| elmo | cool, done | 09:45 |
| elmo | then I can move it to main ;-) | 09:46 |
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| Keybuk | \_ patch -stuN -z .magic-orig -r /home/scott/magic.patch-reject -p1 | 09:56 |
| Keybuk | I love that command | 09:56 |
| Keybuk | "set patchers to stun" | 09:56 |
| mdz | Keybuk: you so added the -u just to make a word :-P | 09:58 |
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| graham | tseng, are you the tseng of mono repository fame? | 10:11 |
| tseng | sure | 10:11 |
| graham | would you be interested another package? I've recently packaged Spam Trainer. | 10:11 |
| tseng | its not very useful to me | 10:12 |
| tseng | but if it works, you can email it to me and ill upload it eventually | 10:12 |
| graham | fair enough | 10:12 |
| elmo | WTF is with bugzilla and firefox? | 10:12 |
| graham | incidentally, I had an error trying to build tomboy myself from the source package and I think it might be missing a build dep. | 10:13 |
| elmo | Kamion: ? | 10:13 |
| tseng | graham: there is a syntax error | 10:13 |
| tseng | missing ) | 10:13 |
| graham | I think it was the perl XML libs, but I've not got my laptop running right now and might be wrong. I'll check for the ) though. | 10:13 |
| graham | do you use pbuilder? | 10:13 |
| tseng | i use dpkg-buildpkg | 10:13 |
| graham | okay. I'll check it out when I get my laptop out as I need to run spam trainer through pbuilder anyway. | 10:14 |
| tseng | you can fix the package by fixing the ) in debian/control | 10:15 |
| graham | ok, thanks. | 10:15 |
| tseng | nps | 10:15 |
| amu | re | 10:17 |
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| amu | mark#s talk was nice, and ubuntu get into the final for an award | 10:18 |
| mdz_ | elmo: which bugzilla/firefox bit in particular? | 10:19 |
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| amu | sabdfl: wb | 10:19 |
| mdz_ | elmo: you can file those bugs in bugzilla, some of them are already there and some have been fixed | 10:19 |
| elmo | mdz: it keeps hanging when I scroll down with the wheely mouse button | 10:19 |
| sabdfl | hey all | 10:19 |
| mdz_ | elmo: ah, that one | 10:20 |
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| sabdfl | hey amu, long time no see :-) | 10:20 |
| mdz_ | elmo: happens with some other sites, too | 10:20 |
| sabdfl | lamont: long live the...? | 10:20 |
| sabdfl | amd64 | 10:20 |
| lamont | and we have buildd/sbuild for amd64 architectures now. | 10:20 |
| mdz_ | elmo: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962 | 10:20 |
| amu | sabdfl: i joined the social event, ubuntu was was one of the final getting an award | 10:20 |
| sabdfl | cool! | 10:21 |
| lamont | hoary.all.amd64:Total 858 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 10:21 |
| lamont | hoary.all.i386:Total 1 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 10:21 |
| lamont | hoary.all.powerpc:Total 123 package(s) in state Needs-Build. | 10:21 |
| sabdfl | who was issuing th awards? | 10:21 |
| lamont | amu: cool! | 10:21 |
| sabdfl | "best nekkid people"? | 10:21 |
| amu | sabdfl: LWE for best distros's best database ..... | 10:21 |
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| mdz | who was _receiving_ the award? :-) | 10:21 |
| amu | skole :) | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | elmo: where do you want a list of packages we can sync from Debian? | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | (because they took all our changes) | 10:21 |
| sabdfl | *cough* | 10:22 |
| sabdfl | que? | 10:22 |
| mdz | Keybuk: yes, he does :-) | 10:22 |
| mdz | amu: surely you're joking, Mr. Mueller | 10:22 |
| elmo | keybuk: mail or url link - whatever | 10:22 |
| sabdfl | skole won an award, over ubuntu? | 10:22 |
| amu | mdz: it's like this | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | elmo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/revert | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | that's the first chunk | 10:23 |
| amu | guess they should add new new award, for the best debian distro | 10:23 |
| mdz | amu: confused | 10:24 |
| mdz | who gave an award to which distribution, and who accepted it? | 10:24 |
| amu | mdz: ... the last years all time debian won | 10:24 |
| elmo | Keybuk: you're 100% sure about this? i can't undo once I start | 10:24 |
| elmo | (sanely anyway) | 10:24 |
| amu | LWE gives some awards to the projects. | 10:24 |
| lamont | elmo: and insanity takes is _soo_ painful. | 10:24 |
| dante_ | pardon ... could someone point me to the correct 'registration' page in the official ubuntu site? I see the 'log in' button but can not find an initial 'registration' area. | 10:25 |
| amu | the distro award goes to skole this year | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | elmo: yeah, they all resulted in a zero debian->hoary diff | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | (well, just changelog mogs) | 10:25 |
| mdz | amu: bu tyou said ubuntu received an award? | 10:25 |
| mdz | s/bu ty/but y/ | 10:25 |
| mdz | Keybuk: did you eyeball them? | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yup | 10:26 |
| Kamion | elmo: yep? | 10:26 |
| amu | mdz: one of the final canditates ... but skole won at least | 10:26 |
| mdz | amu: ah, ok. so ubuntu was a finalist | 10:26 |
| amu | mdz: yap | 10:26 |
| mdz | but did not receive an award | 10:26 |
| amu | yap | 10:27 |
| elmo | Keybuk: ok, doing now | 10:27 |
| graham | it appears as though "skjermbilder" means "screenshot" in norwegian. neat. I've never heard of skoke before; what did they win for? | 10:28 |
| __daniel | graham: good question :-) | 10:28 |
| graham | I'm thinking it must be amazing... | 10:28 |
| Kamion | skolelinux are a Norwegian Debian derivative; they do mass rollouts of preconfigured systems with automatic LDAP setup etc. in schools. | 10:29 |
| Kamion | quite specialised | 10:29 |
| Kamion | any udev experts in the house? | 10:30 |
| graham | thanks | 10:30 |
| Kamion | how do I make it create /dev/fb/0? | 10:30 |
| Kamion | I'm using devfs.rules and compat-full.rules | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | what's it creating currently? | 10:31 |
| __daniel | Kamion: this is what i got in devfs.rules: KERNEL="fb[0-9] *", NAME="fb/%n", | 10:32 |
| Kamion | __daniel: yes, likewise | 10:32 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: nothing for the framebuffer device that I can find | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: do you have the appropriate module for it loaded? | 10:32 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: yes | 10:32 |
| Kamion | vga16fb and fbcon | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | and you're not getting either /dev/fb0 or /dev/fb/0 ? | 10:33 |
| Kamion | I can make everything work if I create the device node by hand | 10:33 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: nope | 10:33 |
| elmo | Keybuk: k, imported | 10:33 |
| Kamion | it's possible hotplug was hosed actually, I'll try again | 10:33 |
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| Kamion | minor detail of having the wrong thing in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ... | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | elmo: imported what where? | 10:34 |
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| __daniel | Kamion: works at my place... ah ok | 10:35 |
| Kamion | __daniel: this is in the installer FWIW, it's a very minimal system and entirely possible I've left bits out :) | 10:35 |
| Kamion | trying to figure out the chain of code involved | 10:35 |
| __daniel | Kamion: oh... i see | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | 98819394 bytes transferred in 2 seconds (62.16M/s) | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | Total 203 files transferred | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | whee | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | let's see if I get any messages | 10:39 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: I don't think he did import my key | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | no response yet | 10:49 |
| elmo | no, not that | 10:50 |
| elmo | the all-merged-up stuff is imported from sid | 10:50 |
| Kamion | ah | 10:50 |
| Kamion | sorry, misinterpreted | 10:50 |
| Kamion | grr. There's a delay between a module being loaded and the device node being visible, isn't there? | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | elmo: see, now you have 203 files in the queue to get rid of as well as import my key <g> | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, but usually not a huge one | 10:51 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: is it predictable in any way? | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | no more than a second or two | 10:52 |
| Kamion | I don't want to insert random sleeps, that sucks | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: no, it's basically just how long it takes for the stuff in /sys to appear | 10:52 |
| Kamion | is there any way to say "wait until everything's synced"? | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | hotplug is full of "wait for file to appear" checks | 10:52 |
| Kamion | that's really crap | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | for which? | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | if you're doing a hotplug event, things will be synced at that point | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | (aiui) | 10:53 |
| Kamion | modprobe fbcon -> wait for /dev/fb/0 to show up | 10:53 |
| Kamion | in a sane world you can expect it to be there from the point modprobe exits | 10:53 |
| Kamion | it's not good for the installer to sit around thinking for ages, especially since depending on the system (e.g. serial consoles) /dev/fb/0 might never appear | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | that'd mean it'd all have to happen in kernel space | 10:54 |
| Kamion | I don't care how it's implemented :) | 10:54 |
| Kamion | I just want a supposed upgrade not to be a regression | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | wouldn't doing the modprobe populate something under /sys ? | 10:54 |
| Kamion | immediately? | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | no :p | 10:55 |
| Kamion | also, sleeps are a totally obvious race condition | 10:55 |
| Kamion | d-i runs on some very slow hardware | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | the trouble is you're doing it backwards, really | 10:56 |
| Kamion | oh? | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | you're not supposed to load a module to find out if the hardware exists | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | you're supposed to load the module once you know the hardware exists | 10:57 |
| Kamion | is there a way to test for available framebuffer hardware, then? | 10:57 |
| Kamion | reliably? | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | (this obviously isn't quite finished yet, as things like ppp_generic/loop go phooey) | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | well, the graphics card's pci id will map to the appropriate frame buffer | 10:58 |
| Kamion | all I want, really, is a wait_for_everything_to_sync call | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | radeonfb 0x00001002 0x00005961 ... | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | for example | 10:59 |
| Kamion | sounds a bit challenging to parse at this stage, but I guess | 10:59 |
| Kamion | ah well, that will come later, sleep it is for now | 11:01 |
| Kamion | thanks for guidance :) | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | nite :) | 11:02 |
| __daniel | sleep tight, kamion | 11:02 |
| Kamion | sleep> i.e. /bin/sleep not bed | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | oh, lol | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | my brain saw "sleep" and thought "mmm... bed" | 11:03 |
| __daniel | ;-) | 11:03 |
| __daniel | me too | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | dunno why, but I've been up at 5am every morning this week | 11:04 |
| === amu mv /dev/bed n8 | ||
| === Keybuk thinks he'll do the same in a minute | ||
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| Kamion | ROCK | 11:42 |
| Kamion | udev/hotplug d-i works | 11:42 |
| Kamion | though I haven't tried to strip out discover yet | 11:42 |
| jdub | arh, no keybuk | 11:47 |
| jdub | what's the best way for me to upload a modified/updated gdm? | 11:48 |
| jdub | just grab the new release, apply changes and go? | 11:48 |
| seb128 | good luck | 11:49 |
| seb128 | I've tried once | 11:49 |
| seb128 | neuro has all his changes mixed in the diff.gz without any documentation | 11:50 |
| jdub | yeah | 11:50 |
| jdub | sucks | 11:50 |
| === jdub will attempt :) | ||
| seb128 | Np237 took a whole week to repackage it with cdbs last year | 11:50 |
| jdub | i'm tempted to fork it ;) | 11:50 |
| seb128 | use Np237's work if you do this | 11:50 |
| seb128 | he made a good package using cdbs with all the patches splitted in debian/patches | 11:50 |
| seb128 | jdub: hum, we want glib/gtk 2.5 in hoary now, right ? | 11:52 |
| jdub | sure! | 11:52 |
| seb128 | ok, that's a bit late now to start packaging them, but that's on my todo list for tomorrow :) | 11:53 |
| seb128 | jdub: if you want the gdm package made by Josselin you can find it in the pkg-gnome SVN (/packages/gdm) | 11:55 |
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