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mirak_lol....im on xchat......yes i am on the internet12:00
ionsogra: all "route" says is 'Destination   Gateway   Genmask   Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface'12:00
Cor-Bobdoes ubuntu have support for mice with forward and back buttons?12:00
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stvnmirak_: could have been a different machine ;)12:00
mirak_stvn, realized that after the post......sorry12:00
ograions: worse than i thought12:01
ionsyay! :\12:01
mirak_can you help?12:01
stvnmirak_: you didn't adit the /etc/apt/sources.list ?12:01
mirak_i havent even touched my computer since about 5 mins after the last time i used synaptic12:01
mirak_so no12:01
stvnmirak_: and now synaptic doesn't want to reload?12:02
mirak_stvn, nope12:02
stvnmirak_: error being?12:02
Cor-Bobis it possible to use non-standard repositories, say to get packages like irb and other ruby ones that aren't in the standard repository...12:02
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mirak_stvn, i get this from apt-get :E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)12:03
mirak_E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?12:03
stvnCor-Bob: yes, but on own risk12:03
Cor-Bobis there anywhere I could find a link or something to one...12:03
stvnmirak_: are you sure that you don't have synaptic, aptitude, apt-* running somewhere?12:03
ograions: is the ip you see from ifconfig valueble i.e. nor or so12:03
Cor-BobI really need more packages in order to get irb and rubygems:(12:03
mirak_stvn, hmmmm....let me check12:04
stvnCor-Bob: you checked universe and multiverse?12:04
ionsyeah - it's a valid IP12:04
Cor-Bobhow do I do that...12:04
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stvnCor-Bob: did you change anything in synaptic after install?12:04
Cor-Bobjust removed the cd as a repository12:05
mirak_stvn, problem solved....synaptic was hiding on my gaim desktop12:05
stvnmirak_: heh12:05
stvnCor-Bob: start synaptic12:05
mirak_stvn, i fell stupid...but thnx12:05
stvnCor-Bob: add the universe repository12:05
stvnmirak_: shit happens ;)12:05
mirak_stvn, i suppose12:05
stvnmirak_: had the same problem quite sometimes, doing killall aptitude and everything to get rid of it ;)12:05
Cor-Bobdidn't think I could add the greyed out repositories12:05
stvnCor-Bob: it is possible, just cross the square ;)12:06
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Cor-Bobhmmm I can't find irb...12:07
stvnCor-Bob: what is the exact name of the progam?12:07
mirak_stvn, aptitude....that is the package manager that list the packages by type?.....err....groups them?12:07
Cor-Bobthat's what it's called12:07
stvnCor-Bob: interactive ruby?12:07
ograions: try: sudo route add default eth012:07
ograions: or whatever your if-name is12:08
stvnmirak_: snaptic can do that as well, but aptitude is the ncurses deb manager12:08
stvnCor-Bob: do reload, it's in universe12:08
mirak_stvn, ncurses....??? is that a yes?12:08
ionsogra: k, brb12:08
Cor-Bobah hah12:09
stvnmirak_: ncurses is a text based gui12:09
Cor-Bobthank you stvn12:09
stvnmirak_: ideal for ssh and other terminal only session12:09
stvnCor-Bob: np12:09
Cor-Bobunfortunately I will have to boot into windows:(12:09
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Cor-BobI have to fix my usbkey, and remove the encryption layer12:09
mirak_stvn, ever use YOPER?....it has synaptic...and something else...what is that?12:09
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stvnmirak_: but in synaptic you can change 'history' to 'sections'12:10
stvnCor-Bob: good luck, don't know much about encrypted usb keys12:10
mirak_stvn, ooo...that works.....thnx12:10
stvnmirak_: never used it, but it might be dselect *shudder*12:10
mirak_stvn, changing history to sections is just what i was looking for......thnx12:11
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mirak_stvn, forget about that thing yoper uses12:11
vertical_98When I try and play a MP3 in Music player is says no plugin, is there a quick and braindead way to set it up?12:11
mirak_do you have the universe enabled?12:12
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[Phaedrus] what window manager are you guys using?12:12
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stvn[Phaedrus] : the default one, metacity12:13
mirak_stvn, thnx12:13
xenonitelol "do you have the universe enabled"12:13
stvnmirak_: it's nice to see other ppl feeling confident to help (I only use ubuntu for a few days now)12:13
mirak_[pheadrus] , gnome....with a bit of xfce412:14
[Phaedrus] how is that working for you mirak_? xfce4?12:14
mirak_stvn, well its something i know how to do....so i figure i can take some load off the vets12:14
vertical_98mirak: Thanks12:14
ionsogra: sudo route add default eth0 did nothing but I also checked ifconfig while I was there again and it's borked12:14
stvnmirak_: true, but becomming a vet is easy here, the first release is only days old ;)12:15
ionsI had checked it before I rebooted before and it was fine - I had not checked it after the reboot until now12:15
ograions: do you know what kind of modem he has ?12:15
mirak_[phaedrus] , its fine......i like it......but i found myself back on gnome the last few days, but i think it is preconfigured....i dont really feel like setting up stuff in xfce4 at the momen12:15
ionsthe model?  No but I can check12:15
mirak_stvn, i was talking linux vet.........but i am trying to learn.....12:16
[Phaedrus] i've been wanting to try xfce4 for a while now.... we'll see how it goes12:16
ionsbrb - checking modem model12:16
stvnmirak_: [Phaedrus] , you can change the default DE in computer>>system configuration>>ogin screen setup12:16
mirak_[phaedrus] , its really good.....much better than kde.....if you have booted PHLAK....it uses xfce412:16
[Phaedrus] stvn: i dont have ubuntu installed yet12:17
[Phaedrus] i'm still waiting for my pressed cds12:17
stvn[Phaedrus] : ah ok12:17
stvn[Phaedrus] : that'll take a while12:17
mirak_stvn, [phaedrus] , you can also do it from the log in screen12:17
[Phaedrus] i am at the moment in India and unfortunately the internet connection here isnt very co-operative for a download12:17
stvn[Phaedrus] : ah ok, 'they' say late november12:17
Cor-Bobif I have enabled universe in synapti, can I use apt-get install to install a bunch of things from universe...12:18
[Phaedrus] dang it!12:18
stvnCor-Bob: yes12:18
mirak_beet me to it12:18
stvn[Phaedrus] : you can't get a box to do bittorrent?12:18
Cor-Bobk good cause I have a big long command that will get everything I need, and it's a pain to try and read the packages from it and find them in synaptic12:18
stvn[Phaedrus] : bittorrent can handle unstabel connections12:18
stvn[Phaedrus] : so does wget for that matter12:18
[Phaedrus] stvn: they dont even have  broadband in this side of the world12:18
stvn[Phaedrus] : true12:19
ionsogra: RCA DCM 24512:19
ograions: hmm brand ?12:19
stvn[Phaedrus] : how much time do you suppose it'll take to send a CD from .nl to india?12:19
[Phaedrus] i cant wait to get back to canada, and that's not going to be for another month... so i guess ubuntu might have to wait for a while...12:19
ograions: any idea =12:19
stvn[Phaedrus] : hehe12:19
[Phaedrus] maybe 10 days stvn12:20
mirak_[phaedrus] , canada,,,india....why are you in india?12:20
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stvn[Phaedrus] : I could send you my CD, I don't need it anyway12:20
ionsRCA is the brand12:20
ograions: oh12:20
ionsaka Thompson12:20
[Phaedrus] mirak just visiting friends, mostly for my brother's wedding12:20
mirak_[phaedrus] , ahh.....kk....tell you bro GRATZ, from the ubuntu room12:21
[Phaedrus] that's a very nice offer stvn, quite generous, but its okay. If i really get impatient, i'll call my friend in Canada and make him download and send me a copy12:21
[Phaedrus] thanks mirak_12:21
Burgundavia[Phaedrus] : where do you live?12:22
[Phaedrus] Burgundavia, i live in Canada, just a little off at the moment12:22
[Phaedrus] so you are from netherlands stvn..12:22
[Phaedrus] what about you mirak_?12:22
xenonitehi, the gnome session manager stores the opened file manager windows, right? what about the web browser windows?12:22
Burgundavia[Phaedrus] : where abouts in Canada12:22
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[Phaedrus] Burgundavia: ottawa, ON12:23
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[Phaedrus] nice nice..12:23
[Phaedrus] Go Go Canucks!12:23
[Phaedrus] :)12:23
ionsBurlington, ON12:23
vertical_98It works!!  Many Thanks Mirak12:23
mirak_[phaedrus] , what about  what....where i live.....in USA....michigan...just south of detroit12:23
Cor-Bob[Phaedrus]  I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no hockey this year12:23
mirak_vertical_98, dont forget to thank stvn, and you welcom12:23
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mirak_cor-bob, rolf12:24
vertical_98Thanks stvn!12:24
[Phaedrus] yeah Cor-Bob, i heard about the strike... quite disappointd12:24
Cor-Bobnad besides calgary kicked vancouvers ass last year12:24
[Phaedrus] that's right!12:24
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ograions: could you run "dmesg" right after plugging out/in the modem to see if the driver is loaded properly12:25
ionsoh! good idea!  k brb12:25
Cor-Bobso apparently jessica simpsons boobs are real, at least according to ashlee simpson, I don't want to know how she knows that.12:25
stvnpoor guy, never have more than an armslength between the irc channel and the faulty computer12:26
ograstvn: ions ?12:27
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[Phaedrus] heh... that's funny stvn12:27
stvnogra: yeah12:27
[Phaedrus] so, here's a question.12:27
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ograstvn: he updated his neighbors pc.....12:28
[Phaedrus] What's so different about where ubuntu is heading now, compared to what Redhat tried to do, and ended becoming monstrously bloated?12:28
Burgundavia[Phaedrus] : one cd rather than 412:28
housetierwhere is ubuntu heading now, [Phaedrus] ?12:28
Burgundaviachoosing one program12:28
Elimi have just registored with your cd distrobution service will it send the cds now or do i have to login then request them? :S(it asked me how many i wanted so i presume the will send them now but i dont know12:29
[Phaedrus] yeah, redhat is scary.. just simply scary12:29
stvn[Phaedrus] : it's debian based, it has a big brother to forward those pesky users to ;)12:29
ograElim: they will ;)12:29
Elimthey will send them now? great!12:29
[Phaedrus] now, as in a month12:30
ograElim: not sure if _now_ but they will send them ;)12:30
[Phaedrus] How is this project being funded?12:30
Elimive just ordered a hub to daisy chain my adsl router (so i can now have inet access on my mac :D)12:30
[Phaedrus] if they can afford to ship out free cds and stuff?12:30
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Elimthats their sponsour and the site looks almost identical12:31
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Burgundavia[Phaedrus] : Ubuntu is made by Canonical who is funded by Mark Shuttleworth12:32
Elimthey are backing open source projects to help the linux community florish or something to that effect12:32
Burgundaviathink 2nd space tourist, creator of Thawte security12:32
[Phaedrus] what do they get in return?12:32
ograand hbd12:32
Cor-Bobdoes ubuntu use XFree86, or Xorg?12:32
BurgundaviaCanonical funds a number of debian and gnome devs12:33
ogra[Phaedrus] : you !!12:33
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BurgundaviaCor-Bob: xfree8612:33
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xuzoCor-Bob: xfree, xorg is planed to hoary12:33
BurgundaviaCor-Bob: switching to xorg for Hoary12:33
[Phaedrus] Cor-Bob: that question is answered in the FAQs... xfree86 for now, x.org later12:33
[Phaedrus] ogra: Should I be scared? :)12:33
Cor-Boboh ok12:33
ogra[Phaedrus] : as a community member ;)12:33
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Cor-Bobwell I guess XFree86 has gotten better since the last time I tried linux12:34
Cor-BobI used to get artifacts all over the place12:34
Elimwhat does canonical actually produce software wise? (i dont mean sponsoured projects)12:34
ograElim: isnt ubuntu enough 8)12:34
ionsogra: unplugging the modem and plugging it back in fixed it12:35
Elimthey dont make it they sponsour it12:35
ograions: yay12:35
ionsI restarted and it worked fine12:35
Elimthey are a company what do they make themselves?12:35
ionsthank you for your help ogra !!12:35
ograinos: wasnt me : http://cable-modems.org/q&a/index.php?one_question=334 *g*12:46
ionsso my lesson is never run apt-get dist-upgrade12:46
mirak_ions, stay away from synaptic smart upgrade then12:46
ionsare apt-get update & apt-get upgrade alright to run12:46
ograions: no, your lesson was always restart your cablemodem first ;)12:46
mirak_yes.....but so is dist-upgrade12:46
ionsI tried to run synaptic by ssh -x but it crashed12:46
KamionElim: Canonical started up in order to create Ubuntu and sponsor further development12:46
ograions: ssh -x sudo synaptic ?12:46
mirak_kamion, so where does canocial get its funding?12:46
KamionElim: there are some other projects in the works, but they're not public yet12:46
KamionElim: don't get too hung up on the "sponsored" distinction, the core Ubuntu team are all Canonical employees right now12:46
[Phaedrus] "Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products..."12:46
ograKamion: and hopefully will be ;)12:46
mirak_kamion, you work for canocial?12:46
Cor-Bobmirak_ my understanding is that it's all funded by a millionaire that wants to see linux get onto every desktop12:46
Kamionmirak_: the boss is Mark Shuttleworth, who made his millions from Thawte and has been funding free software development since then12:46
Kamionmirak_: yes, I do12:46
theantixbefore the Ubuntu preview release was out, canoncial's website had a glimpse of what they else were working on :-)12:46
Kamionogra: I'm not suggesting that we might get fired, more that others might join the core team12:46
Cor-Bobso there is no way to get ubuntu onto a computer with no cd-rom drive or usb ports is there...12:46
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mirak_kamion, kk......and ubuntu get money from canocial, and canocial get funding from a millionare?12:46
lifelesssee Kamion, are you meant to be motivated by fear or something :)12:46
KamionCor-Bob: if the box can PXE-boot, you can try that12:46
Kamionlifeless: speak for yourself :-)12:46
ograKamion: but i think a canonical core is important for giving the direction12:46
KamionCor-Bob: boot off another box on the same network12:46
Cor-BobI have a pcmcia network adapter, and a parallel port cd-rom...12:46
[Phaedrus] mirak_: Ubuntu is influenced by Canonical, which is a company of some millionaire12:46
KamionCor-Bob: some Ethernet cards / BIOSes support it12:46
Cor-BobI don't even hav a network setup:|12:46
KamionCor-Bob: oh, that's probably too much of a nightmare then12:46
Cor-Bobit's a MMX 266 MHz laptop12:46
KamionCor-Bob: floppies are targetted for the next release ... do you have another Unix system installed on the same box?12:46
Kamionmirak_: right, other funding options are being actively explored too12:46
Cor-Bobno right now I'm on windows 98 on here12:46
Cor-Boband hating every minute of it12:46
KamionCor-Bob: well, you could install some other distro with floppies, then use the instructions in the installation manual to switch to Ubuntu ...12:46
KamionCor-Bob: (I'm assuming you have a floppy drive!)12:46
Cor-Bobdoes it matter how recent the distro is?12:46
Cor-BobI do, I can install red hat 7.3 from the cd-drive using the old-cd drivers12:46
Elimcor bob me 2 my hard drive had bad sectors... had to go back to my 2nd hd :(12:46
Elimwin 98 :( arrh!!12:46
KamionCor-Bob: that should be fine12:46
Elimordered another one thankfully12:46
BurgundaviaCor-Bob: why don't you pull the hdd out of the machine and put it in another more recent machine. Install ubuntu and update it. Then rip it out and place it in the old macine and hope kudzu can find it12:46
[Phaedrus] Cor-Bob, you sure a 266mhz machine can handle linux with Gnome?12:46
KamionCor-Bob: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html for reference12:46
jdub266mhz is not a problem for GNOME12:46
Cor-Bobty Kamion12:46
jdublack of memory is ;)12:46
ograKamion: i'm on my way for NM, but still looking for my niche i fit best (which at the moment is to help here) ;)12:46
Cor-Bob[Phaedrus]  it runs red hat 7.3 fine12:46
Cor-Bobit's the 2 megs of video memory that I'm worried about12:46
Cor-Bobbut apparently the only issue it'd have with windows xp is the drivers for the cd-rom12:46
BurgundaviaCor-Bob: and that xp is bloated, so your 266 would crawl12:46
Cor-Boboh I know it would12:46
Cor-Bobmy desktop is slow, and that's a 1 GHz celeron12:46
Cor-BobI noticed I can watch videos in full screen in linux while compiling, but not in windows while doing nothing else12:46
BurgundaviaCor-Bob: I am currently running ubuntu with gnome on a 675 Duron and have no problem. Surfing the web is a little slow, but that is also cause I am ripping oggs, listening to same, and have a few other things open12:47
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LeeColletonhow do I install Ubuntu from a USB drive?12:48
[Phaedrus] hmm... i have a 266mhz sitting here and collecting dust... i wonder if i can put it to some good use...12:48
Cor-BobI have no problem with ubuntu, it's windows that bothers me12:48
dephow work [Phaedrus] 12:48
BurgundaviaLeeColleton: wait until hoary comes out12:48
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depin you pc of 266mhz..12:48
Cor-BobI have an easier time viewing WINDOW media files under linux than I do in Windows Media Player12:49
Cor-Bobwhen is hoary slated for release?12:49
LeeColletonThe way I did it last time was by installing Debian and then Ubuntu12:49
[Phaedrus] So, Mark Shuttleworth is quite lenient towards Africa12:49
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[Phaedrus] interesting..12:49
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LeeColletonI was just wondering if there was a quicker way12:49
Kamion[Phaedrus] : well, he *is* African12:50
[Phaedrus] is that so? that would make a lot of sense. Thanks Kamion12:50
michel_vwhen sshd fails to start, where can I find about the error it encountered?12:50
Cor-Boboh right he's the guy that went up in space12:50
Burgundaviamichel_v: you can try dmesg12:51
michel_vdmesg doesn't hold such info12:51
michel_v(I tried)12:51
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mirak_is ubuntu installable from floppy???.......other than installing debian frum floppy...then moving to ubuntu?12:51
zimbadid somebody get eclipse to work on ubuntu '12:52
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[Phaedrus] how old is he Kamion?12:52
manuel_zimba: yes, i did12:52
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BurgundaviaMark Shuttleworth bio: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html12:53
stodgeAnyone know of a package for MonoDevelop12:53
sabmocstodge yep12:54
Rexioohi all12:54
stodgeWhich repos?12:54
sabmocBurgundavia: how come i dont get to go into space?12:54
Burgundaviastodge: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/12:54
sabmoc^ that one12:55
stodgeCool thanks12:55
Burgundaviastodge: distribution ./12:55
Burgundaviasabmoc: Hey, what about me too?12:55
zimbamanuel_, I'm looking in multiverse for the java package12:55
stodgeBurgundavia: sorry don't understand your last comment12:55
sabmoci think u might need to have universe as well, not sure12:55
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sabmocBurgundavia: dude! lets go to space!!12:56
Burgundaviastodge: in your sources.list the distribution column is ./12:56
stodgeAh ok :)12:56
Burgundaviastodge: our if you use synaptic12:56
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manuel_zimba: oh, i installed it on my own. Download java from java.sun.com and then eclipse.12:56
Burgundaviastodge: leave sections blank12:56
stodgeI see - thanks!12:56
Burgundaviasabmoc: you got 40mil?12:56
JB80anyone know how bad this thing is gonna break when i add debian to my sources? there just aren't enough packages available12:57
Burgundaviastodge: I think you need to get mono, non-dev from universe though12:57
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zimbamanuel_, thx :)12:57
BurgundaviaJB80: no, but dont click mark all upgrades if you  have debian unstable or testing12:57
JB80i dont click12:57
stodgeI installed a number of MOno packages through Synaptic12:57
BurgundaviaJB80: I haven't had any problems expect running out of space for synaptic to read the repos12:58
sabmocBurgundavia: what! 40mil?12:58
Angel666any idea how long its supposed to take in the second stage of install when its displaying the following msg "Creating device node /dev/raw1394"12:58
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Burgundaviasabmoc: 20mil/person12:58
CraigoryHello all.  I've been a Debian Sid user for some time now, and I wanted to try the Ubuntu Live CD.  Unfortunately, my machine crashes when booting from the CD.  No live CD (Knoppix, Gnoppix, etc) has ever booted my machine into X without a crash.  Any ideas?12:58
JB80i didnt think upgrading was an option but every debian package i install upgrades major libs12:58
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sabmocthat is so unresonable12:58
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amathisHawkwind has been telling me great things bout' ubuntu.12:59
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manuel_zimba: for eclipse you have to set JAVA_HOME in .gnomerc in your home12:59
Cor-Bobhow do I set the hostname to be something other than my ip adress...12:59
limauniondoes anyone know why the ov511 driver doesn't work properly ?12:59
BurgundaviaCraigory: if you just want to upgrade, on the ubuntu wiki there is a clear upgrade path laid out12:59
Cor-BobI ran hostname last time I booted, but it reverted on a reboot:(12:59
HawkwindCor-Bob: That is only a temp fix.  Look for something like /etc/hosts maybe ?12:59
[Phaedrus] Craigory, if every live CD crashes, there is probably a good reason for it01:00
[Phaedrus] starting with IRQ issues, to bad Memory.. the possibilities are endless01:00
ograCor-Bob: Computer->System Tools->Network01:00
stodgeTry adding the following as kernel options in Grub:      noapic nolapic01:00
CraigoryYou mean upgrade Sid -> Ubuntu?  That's an interesting option.  I agree about there being a good reason.  My hardware is funky (nforce).  However, Debian has been running fantastically for me for a long time now.01:01
BurgundaviaCraigory: yep01:01
Kamionamathis: as in the band?01:01
amathisKamion, ?01:01
GotD0tanybody have any experience using cdrdao?01:02
CraigoryI wonder... is the reverse Ubuntu -> Sid possible?  Furthermore, I use lots of weird packages from "universe", especially related to the Ocaml programming language.  Should I expect those to be working with Ubuntu?01:02
amathisKamion, no, he is a user.01:02
HawkwindKamion: No I don't get my nick from the band01:02
JB80you cant upgrade sid to ubunto, all the packages are ancient compared to sarge, much less sid01:02
[Phaedrus] What on earth is Sid?01:02
amathis(perhaps named after a band)01:02
Kamionamathis: oh, I didn't notice the user. :-)01:02
Echramath[Phaedrus] : Debian Unstable?01:02
JB80ubuntu even01:02
stodgeWow MonoDevelop actually runs! First time I've managed to compile and run any developed programms in Ubuntu! :P01:02
[Phaedrus] ah01:02
Burgundavia[Phaedrus] : sid is debian unstable01:02
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amathisKamion, I currently run slackware01:02
EchramathSid is the boy in the Toy Story who breaks toys.01:02
ograHawkwind: do you say ubuntu if i play you backwards ?01:03
amathisKamion, I was looking for a distro that had a good package system, but was not overly userfriendly like mandrake or RH01:03
amathisKamion, because when I try to compile something on those distros.. it is hell01:03
[Phaedrus] Echramath, that's what I thought... or my friend who has the same name01:03
Elimi hate public speaking, id rather be pelted with rotten vegetables than do public speaking.01:03
[Phaedrus] amathis: so you like a good challenge?01:04
stodgeAnyone know how to fix this error when using Anjuta to build a Gnome app?   config.status: error: cannot find input file: intl/Makefile.in01:04
KamionCraigory: either direction will require some work01:04
amathis[Phaedrus] , yes :)01:04
KamionCraigory: we're ahead of sid in some cases and behind it in others01:04
GoneBoBstodge: looks like it hasn't run autoconf properly01:04
CraigoryWell, I could "downgrade" to Ubuntu with a little more effort, probably.  Mostly I just want the "just works" aspect of the Ubuntu Desktop, as well as some of the Gnome tweaks like the trash applet.01:04
ograstodge: build-essential installed ?01:04
stodgeI think it all is01:04
stodgeYes it is installed01:05
Angel666now my install is locking up right after the "starting pcmcia services" anyone else have this issue?01:05
stodgegonebob: what can I do about that?01:05
CraigoryThanks for the tips guys.01:05
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bradwill ubuntu install and run on something as old as a pentium 75?01:06
GoneBoBstodge: hm, actually Makefile.in should be there.. something is broken01:06
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GoneBoBbrad: I wouldn't recommend it01:06
JB80no brad, you need something lighter01:06
Hikaru79If I want to UNinstall the Java SDK after I've installed it, is it enough to simply delete the files? Or is there a special uninstallation procedure01:06
GoneBoBrunning GNOME on a P75 is not a good idea01:06
GoneBoBI mean, you can DO it01:06
stodgeLooks like it - don't know how to fix it01:06
[Phaedrus] brad, it would choke and burn01:06
letheusDoes anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen? If you understand?01:06
Cor-Bob:) my usb flash key works under ubuntu with very little configurlation01:06
__danielsleep tight01:06
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GoneBoBHikaru79: deletion is fine, unless you installed a package, in which case you can just remove it01:06
Echramathbrad: I suggest no gui for a P75.01:07
bradya ive got it installed on my desktop here but i just came up on an old p75 lookin for something to do with it01:07
Echramathbrad: And no Linux at all under 32 megs.01:07
GoneBoBCor-Bob: yes :)01:07
GoneBoBbrad: bin it :)01:07
GoneBoBunfortunately the need for hardware like that has (IMHO) decreased to close to 001:07
EchramathIf it's silent, it's an useful firewall maybe.01:08
GoneBoBwhen you can buy a hardware based router such as the linksys that will run linux anyway and has no moving parts etc and costs SFA01:08
jdubthe linksys wrt54g and wrt54gs01:08
JB80brad. put vector on that P75. it'll work with some modifying01:09
GoneBoBjdub: yeah I have a WRT54GS, $155 AUD01:09
kensaiI've installed gtk-gnutella and it isn't conecting to nothing. I need to add something to for it to connect?01:09
letheusDoes anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen?01:11
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EchramathMost likely Debian will also run on a P75.01:11
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bradcool, i'll figure out something to do with it, thanks for the help01:11
weswh-i wonder if linux will ever get to the point where you have to have spyware/adware/virus scan apps installed. being that it is open source it's different...but who knows, seems like there would still be malicious parties out there. i guess its harder to tack on malicious programs to others...plus the system in general being more aware/secure01:13
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Echramathweswh-: The main reason might be the diversity off Linux distros and programs and users with clue.01:14
GoneBoBweswh-: they do exist01:15
GoneBoBbut as Echramath said01:15
GoneBoBthe diversity is so great that it's hard to attack all of them01:15
GoneBoBeven if you target a specific distribution01:15
GoneBoBthere can be many different configurations01:15
HWolfCan someone give me a solution for changing the permission on about 600 files from 'root' to 'users'?01:15
GoneBoBchown users *01:16
mirak_cany ou do that?01:16
GoneBoBwhat exactly do you need done01:16
GoneBoByes you can01:16
HWolfI copied my music collection from my ntfs read-only disk (where I can't change permissions) using root, to a directory in home.01:17
ograGoneBoB: he wants to access th efiles on his ntfs01:17
HWolfNow every file of my music collection has owner: root, group root. SO I can't play them.01:17
ograHWolf: won'T help to chown01:17
GoneBoBogra: no, he's copied them to home01:17
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ograso chownis fine01:18
GoneBoBif they are in directories01:18
HWolfthey are.01:18
GoneBoBchown -R user * will do it01:18
HWolfsorted by artist, then album.01:18
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HWolfso to change /home/music and everything in it to users I run 'chown -R user /home/music' ?01:19
GoneBoBwhere 'user' is your user01:20
zimbamanuel_, I was able to build a java1.5 package with this page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/01:20
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HWolfCan't live without music. :-)01:21
ograHWolf: who can ?01:21
EchramathThe deaf.01:22
HWolfThe tasteless.01:22
ograEchramath: ok thats a point01:22
GoneBoBthe dead.01:22
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HWolfGoneBoB: Since when do the dead live?01:22
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GoneBoBHWolf: do you not watch movies?01:23
GoneBoBit happens all the time01:23
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HWolfI've got a friend who is into the paranormal, but even he talks about spirits, not zombies. :-)01:23
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zimbado you know if ubuntu will support php5 '01:23
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mirak_how to use a .run file?01:24
mirak_ss <filename> ?01:24
GoneBoBzimba: I would say that hoary (the next release) will have php501:24
GoneBoBmirak_: sh 'file.run'01:25
GoneBoBor chmod +x file.run01:25
letheusdoes someone know how to get to the theme-chooser from the terminal?01:25
axehatI just put in a new basic 32mb video card into this machine I am working on. It has an onboard adapter I was previously using. It boots up normally and shows the boot process, and when it dumps to the X server for the auto-login the screen goes blank with a green power LED on the monitor. I rebooted and chose to go into the recovery console, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out?01:25
mirak_gonebob, thnx01:25
zimbaGoneBoB, thx, and release cycle is every 6 monthy no ? (and warthog has just been released)01:26
GoneBoBaxehat: X probably things that you're using the old card01:26
GoneBoBzimba: yes that's correct01:26
TheMusoaxehat: Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure your card.01:26
axehatRight, and I put the monitor back on that adapter and the same problem. I'm assuming I have to edit some config file?01:26
GoneBoBaxehat: dpkg-reconfirfure xserver-xfree8601:26
axehatAlright, thanks.01:26
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CraigoryIs "universe" similar to testing or unstable or what?01:27
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TheMusoCraigory: Universe is Debian unstable frozen back in June I think.01:27
HrdwrBoBCraigory: universe is similar to testing as of ~ 6 months ago01:27
TheMusoOr debian testing.01:27
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mirak_yeah.....universe is a freeze01:28
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mirak_how to enable root password.....i need to use su01:28
brettcarmirak_: sudo passwd01:29
brettcarmirak_: sudo -s01:29
brettcarmirak_: will act like su01:29
brettcarmirak_: But if you really need su, use 'sudo passwd' to set a root passwd01:29
CraigoryOk.  Does Ubuntu modify Universe to better work with Ubuntu, or is it a copy?  I ask I'm interested in mixing unstable and ubuntu. (obviously I won't be surprised if there are serious problems)01:29
mirak_brettcar, thnx.....it asked for my su pass in a pop-up window during a install.......but i will just use sudo sh01:29
mirak_vrettcar, i didnt think to do that till just now01:29
HWolfHow good are the chances of me getting a random windows program to work under ubuntu?01:30
TheMusoCraigory: All packages in Universe are a copy of Debian testing but built against a Ubuntu base.01:30
HrdwrBoBHWolf: as good as any other distro01:30
HrdwrBoBusing wine01:30
brettcarCraigory: There will be serious problems01:30
TheMusoCraigory: So you are not able to mix unstable with it. I suggest to grab the unstable sources and rebuild against Ubuntu.01:30
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weswh-i just installed...everything went fine. now I am in Gnome - and the mouse is acting absolutely crazy (usb mouse)...hard to explain...i can hold it up in the air and move it around, and the cursor jumps all around, things are clicked...etc.01:30
HWolfhrdwrBoB, I've never tried it on any distro. :-)01:30
brettcarCraigory: libc etc etc in Ubuntu was from testing and not unstable, and mixing unstable debian packages will freak it out01:30
HrdwrBoBCraigory: I have personally mixed unstable and ubuntu without problems, however that was only for mythtv01:30
weswh-anyone seen anything like that?01:30
TheMusoAs I said, if the packages are not system critical, you should be able to grab any standard app in unstable, and any newer dependancies if need be and rebuild them against Ubuntu for your own use. I have done that for a couple of things.01:31
geppyI'd like to install extendedprefs for GAIM, but I'm unable to, as it uses libtool, and I don't have anything else installed with it, so all of the environment variables and such are undeclared.  What should I do?01:32
ograHrdwrBoB: why, its in multiverse01:32
TheMusogeppy: Why not install libtool?01:32
geppyTheMuso: I did, but I'm getting things like "extendedprefs.c:553: error: `GAIM_MINOR_VERSION' undeclared here (not in a function)"01:33
CraigoryOk.  Interesting.  What are the chances that just adding warty to my sources.list and executing "apt-get dist-upgrade" will hose my system? (:  Sounds like about 100%.01:33
geppyTheMuso:  (tons and tons of things like that)01:33
HrdwrBoBogra: a few months ago it wasn't01:33
ograHrdwrBoB: so youre a sounder guy.....01:33
HrdwrBoBI installed ubuntu about.. 20 times :)01:34
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ograHrdwrBoB: i did more than 20...and not one reinstall for several noobs tha are really happy without virii *g*01:35
HWolfWine is still alpha? It's been around for ages, hasn't it?01:35
HrdwrBoBHWolf: wine is ... interesting01:35
[Phaedrus] alright folks... i'm off01:35
HrdwrBoBit has been around for years01:36
weswh-no one has ever had mouse problems after install?01:36
[Phaedrus] later guys01:36
HrdwrBoBmany applications work, many don't01:36
ograHWolf: so has windows ;)01:36
HrdwrBoBweswh-: what mouse and how is it setup01:36
HWolfIt's my best chance tho?01:36
geppyHWolf:  Yes.01:36
[Phaedrus] weswh-: what port is it connecting to?01:36
geppyHWolf: Unless you want to run games with Cedega.01:36
GotD0ti cant do cdrecord -scanbus01:36
HWolfIt's just my own bit of software. :-)01:37
weswh-hr - well it's a microsoft optical, ps2 (going through a KVM)...previously in a gentoo install it had no problems...01:37
weswh-jumping randomly all over the screen, clicking things, opening programs...and i have not clicked a mouse button. I can move the mouse up 1 inch, and have it jump all over the screen, clicking 4 times in the process..01:37
ograGotD0t: sudo ?01:37
weswh-(i just finished the install)01:37
[Phaedrus] weswh-: wrong driver01:37
GotD0togra tried with and without01:37
GotD0togra: same error01:37
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HWolfMy MS Optical is working great. I've got middle-mouse, just not the thumb and little finger button. Out of the box01:37
weswh-phae - interesting...i'd think it could handle standard ps/201:38
ograGotD0t: sudo modprobe sg ? probably01:38
[Phaedrus] i'm sure it could, just try a different driver01:38
weswh-so, being that i basically have no mouse control...how do i go about trying to get the right driver loaded?01:38
GotD0togra: thanks01:38
weswh-is there a keyboard shortcut to exit out of gnome and get to console?01:38
HrdwrBoBweswh-: crtl+alt+F101:38
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weswh-sometimes we forget the basics ;)01:39
HrdwrBoBnot me ;)01:39
axehatOK. I did the dpkg-reconfigure and I told it to use the SiS driver. Starting X gives me "XIO: fatal IO errors 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining."01:39
weswh-so is this something i need to modprobe more or less?01:39
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LinuxJonesweswh-, Can you plug it directly into the computer and try the PS/2 port ?01:39
KamionTheMuso,brettcar: We branched Ubuntu from unstable, not testing.01:39
Kamion(on 28 June)01:39
HrdwrBoBaxehat: put the contents of /var/log/Xfree86.0.log in pastebin.com01:40
weswh-i could - however...the box was working fine with the current setup a few days ago..before i installed ubuntu.01:40
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weswh-it's not a port issue (knock on wood)01:40
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weswh-phae - could you give me any help, on how to find the right driver and get it applied, through console?01:40
axehatPopping that up in vi shows nothing in it. Is pastebin.com in /var/log ?01:41
weswh-(if i am in a vc, fix the problem..i should then be able to go back into gnome...and have it work...without having to restart it, right?)01:41
ograis the guy with the as400 clinet still around ?01:41
weswh-btw - what vc is x-windows? 7?01:41
HrdwrBoBaxehat: pastebin.com is a website :)01:41
HrdwrBoBweswh-: 701:41
axehatOkay, heh :D01:41
[Phaedrus] weswh-: could you try connecting the mouse directly to the port, before we go on with more adventures?01:41
axehatBut if the file is empty what am I putting there?01:42
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tolstoryIs lamont here?01:42
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LinuxJonesweswh-, You can throw away that KVM and use >> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to control your other computers over your local lan usign your KB/Mouse :)01:42
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HrdwrBoBaxehat: there should be an X log file in that directory01:43
HrdwrBoBhave a look01:43
weswh-phae - sure thing.01:43
HrdwrBoBLinuxJones: except that it doesn't work if they don't have a monitor01:43
CraigoryKamion, are you sure Ubuntu branched from unstable; not testing?  If so, I think I may have some success mixing Ubuntu and Unstable packages.  If not, I would have to rebuild from source, which would be a pain for more than 1 or 2 packages.01:43
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miraki just installed about 15 apps from synaptic...i dont remember the names of them....and they arent in the menu.....is there any way to auto add them to it?01:44
axehatAh, I was not including the capital 'F'. I am talking here on my PowerBook, how should I go about copying that log into the pastebin.com website?01:44
jdubCraigory: definitely a branch off sid. :)01:44
ograCraigory: what are you missing ?01:44
jdubCraigory: we actively discourage mixing of debian and ubuntu repos.01:44
GotD0tcan anybody help me get cdrdao working...01:45
jdubmirak: if they have menu items, they will be added automatically01:45
GotD0tmirak: once you restart X i believe...01:45
LinuxJonesHrdwrBoB, Ya I guess :P01:45
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mirakjdub, gotdot, kk.....looks like im bumed out01:46
[Phaedrus] thanks weswh-01:46
Craigoryjdub, just investigating my options.  Maybe universe has all that I will need, but there are some esoteric Ocaml packages that have been released since June that I would like to hang on to.01:46
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jdubCraigory: stuff can be fixed in universe if it's just build issues in the way01:46
weswh-it works when connected directly.01:47
weswh-so, there is a kvm driver/correction of some sort?01:48
CraigoryAlso, I want to migrate unstable to ubuntu because installing ubuntu from scratch would be very difficult on my hardware.  No installer has ever "just worked" for me.01:48
lamont_rtolstoy: I'm hiding... :-)01:48
mirakanyone know how to launch beneath-a-steel-sky?01:48
tolstoylamont_r, I was just wondering if you could give me some pointers on how I can help you with sbcl. ;)01:48
lamont_rtolstoy: I can certainly send you the logfile from the build attempt, and the mailing list has the necessary config to (hopefully) reproduce the failure01:49
tolstoylamont_r, for instance, I can download the stuff in "universe" and see if I can compile it.01:49
lamont_rthen we just need a patch for that, and all should be happy01:49
tolstoylamont_r, okay. Well, I don't know what the stuff on the mailing list means, so praps I'll just thrash some more.01:49
lamont_rtolstoy: I'll also see if I can get it to build on hoary, which may work better - dunno what shape sbcl was in on June 2801:50
weswh-it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?01:50
CraigoryThanks all.01:50
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tolstoylamont_r, me either. ;)  I'll see if I can find where that error message occurs, if nothing else.  prob needs an additional package installed is what I'm thinking.01:51
[Phaedrus] any luck weswh-?01:51
[Phaedrus] weswh-: it could be a wrong detection by Xserver...01:51
[Phaedrus] there have been times when my microsoft mouse worked better with a logitech driver01:51
tolstoylamont_r, should I work on the 8.15 version you have in /universe?01:52
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weswh-phae - plugged in directly it works fine01:54
weswh-so it's a kvm issue..01:54
weswh-it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?01:54
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[Phaedrus] weswh-, somebody here made a suggestion to use synergy instead of KVM01:55
weswh-phae - that doesn't help me on the monitor issue01:56
zimbaruby package is outdated.. what can I do to help ?01:56
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[Phaedrus] i've never really used KVM before... so i'm a bit clueless here01:56
geppyI use a KVM, never had any trouble, for what it's worth01:57
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weswh-geppy - bottom line is, when i connect to the KVM all of the sudden i go haywire :)01:59
weswh-maybe i had a loose connection or something01:59
weswh-i will try plugging back in01:59
amathisubuntu uses debian pkg manager right?02:00
Kamionamathis: yes02:00
weswh-nope, plug into the KVM and it goes mad02:00
amathisdoes ubuntu have X installable from install?02:00
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amathiserr, XFree02:01
amathisor xorg02:01
[Phaedrus] Xfree02:01
ograamathis: warty == xfree, hoary == xorg02:01
amathisis ubuntu easy to set up for a workspace?02:01
[Phaedrus] i wonder if there could be a bot made to pick up questions, and paste from the FAQ02:01
amathisI am about to install something else, and I want to install something that I will enjoy.02:02
ograamathis: the easyest distro currently ;) me thinks02:02
amathisis it a graphicl install? or like slackware.02:02
[Phaedrus] Amathis: the installation procedure says nothing about being on the command line, and doesnt extend more than a few easy steps... i think that speaks for itself02:02
amathis[Phaedrus] , I have no problem with installing from command line02:03
amathisso it has a graphical partioner?02:03
amathisbecause I want to save /home02:03
Kamionamathis: X is in the default installation02:03
[Phaedrus] i'm just saying, its a easy interface02:03
amathisand I have never done that using fdisk.02:03
Kamionamathis: no graphical partitioner, but it's a text-based user interface, not fdisk02:03
amathisI don't wanna lose music and files.02:03
amathisdoes it actually use the debian servers? or just the program02:04
ograamathis: sets up nearly everything automatic...02:04
Kamionamathis: it's neither a graphical installer nor like Slackware. :-)02:04
amathisogra, I don't want it to format /home02:04
Kamionamathis: doesn't use the Debian servers, no02:04
tolstoylamont, I know you're not there, but whoo-hoo! reproduced your error.02:04
amathisdoes it have a lot of packages?02:04
HWolfugh, If I want to install a theme, I have to select the .tar.tgz file with 'install theme' right?02:04
Kamionamathis: use the "Manual partitioning" option, you can carve up the partitions how you like02:04
amathisbecause one thing I hate about slackware is the lack of packages02:05
Kamionamathis: 2000-odd supported, more unsupported ones in 'universe'02:05
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Kamionsee the web site02:05
amathisok, I think you have convinced me.02:05
amathisanyone got any screenies?02:05
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Kamionthere've been some going round on various web sites, don't have links to hand02:06
Kamiongoogle would probably find 'e,02:06
Kamionyes, google for "ubuntu screenshots"02:07
kensaihow to configure gnome to just have 1 desktop not 4 despktops that I can change to?02:07
jdubkensai: right click on the desktop changer02:07
jdubchoose preferences02:07
jdubthen reduce the number of workspaces :)02:07
kensaiwhat a moron I am sorry and Thanks I was a KDE user02:07
jdubnah, 'sok :)02:08
kensaiBut I'm liking Gnome so far02:08
jdubwhat do you like?02:08
kensaiit is faster and less buggy02:08
kensaikde has so many bugs02:09
EchramathBtw, I appreciate that The Gimp is called "The Gimp" and not "Image editing".02:09
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kensaiLOL good detail ^02:10
Echramathwell, not only that detail.02:10
EchramathMy gf installed Suse and everything seems to be named that way.02:10
stodgeUnfortunately Gnome don't seem to want anyone to develop apps with Anjuta or create bindings using Glade..... Spent days trying to compile something with both of these - zero success. At least kdevelop was much easier. One small benefit to KDE :)02:10
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kensaiI wish my girl friend changes to Linux02:11
jdubmy fiancee uses Ubuntu at work :)02:11
[Phaedrus] is she a geek kensai?02:12
kensaishe tells me she love the penguin but does not want to change cause she only use the pc for university work02:12
kensaino shes just a reg user02:12
kensaiBut I feel I can change her pc to Linux ones her dell warraty runs out02:13
Kamionmy girlfriend's hard disk is way too small for Ubuntu, sadly02:13
kensaihow many GBs?02:13
GotD0tcan anybdoy help me get cdrdao working?02:13
Kamionmay just buy her a new one, although I kind of fear for the state of the rest of the system, too02:13
Kamionkensai: what are these "gigabytes" of which you speak? :-)02:14
Kamionkensai: more like 200MB02:14
kensaiOHH LOL02:14
Kamionkensai: sarcasm02:14
EchramathWell, you can you that drive to boot.02:14
jdubKamion: you should swap the hard drive for a bigger compact flash card... ;)02:14
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GotD0tkamion: my PDA has 32 mb less than her HD built in02:15
EchramathAny hard disk with ball bearing is unuseable for desktop use anyway.02:15
letheusHow can i change style/theme in fluxbox?02:16
kensaiGotDOt: LOL02:16
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GotD0tKamion: and with the SD card its got 440mb more than02:17
GotD0tso, any help with cdrdao?02:18
mirakletheus, right click.....its in there somewhere02:18
mirakletheus, styles maybe?02:18
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letheusmirak, Well, i have installed them, but i don?t know hoe to activate them02:21
stodgeAbsolutely bizarre - Anjuta won't even compile a simple C++ app02:23
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Hikaru79Hey, I'm having some problems getting Java to run on my comp o_O02:26
Hikaru79Can anyone offer some help?02:26
letheusmirak, Rightclick? I?ve got three options: Xterm, restart, exit :)02:26
tolstoyis there a way to list the contents of an installed package without having the deb on your disk?02:27
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GotD0tdoes anybody know anything about SCSI emulation?02:28
mirakOMG....super mario rpg02:29
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mirakletheus, fluxbox right......give me a sec...ill log into that02:29
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Kamionstodge: g++ is installed, right?02:30
HrdwrBoBGotD0t: yeah02:30
HrdwrBoBGotD0t: you shouldn't need it02:30
mirakletheus, ok...im in fluxbox now02:30
letheusmirak, ok02:31
Tufekhi everyone..i need fast adres for ubuntu linux download..do you know that?02:31
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KamionTufek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/, pick closest mirror to you02:31
Hikaru79Can anyone help me with my Java installation?02:32
Kamiondieman: hm, I think I lost your request to add a mirror to the web site; could you mail it to me?02:32
mirakletheus, when i right click i get apps, games, help, screen, windowmanagers, xshells, configure, styles, workspace, reconfigure, restart, exit02:32
stodgeg++ and g++-3.3 are installed02:32
pbookhas anyone installed mac on linux?02:32
TufekKamion, Kamion is that place fast?02:32
letheusmirak, well, i only get Exit, Restart and Xterm02:32
KamionTufek: uh, it's a mirror page, it's not big02:33
miraklatheus, hmmm....maybe try to reinstall it.....02:33
KamionTufek: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/ should be reasonably quick for you for CD image download02:33
mirakletheus, idk <.............newb02:33
letheusmirak, ok02:33
TufekKamion, thaks a lot :)02:33
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stodgeTHis is just odd02:33
KamionTufek: P.S. it's polite to say where you are for questions like that so that we don't have to use /whois02:34
GotD0tHrdwrBoB: then why does cdrdao not see my device?02:34
miraki installed kde (stupid).....is there a fast way to get rid of all things kde related?02:34
pbookwhat's the best gnome program you guys know about?02:34
Hikaru79pbook, for what purpose?02:35
stodgeremove a core KDE library?02:35
pbookfor running music mixes02:35
pbooki've tried to get mac on linux working so i can use itunes02:36
pbookbut it doesn't seem to work02:36
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pbookhas anyone had luck getting mac on linux to run on ubuntu?02:37
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LinuxJones /msg NickServ LinuxJones LinuxJones02:44
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GotD0tLinuxJones: do you have any clue why cdrdao doesn't see my burner?02:46
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Nigelenkistill no nuvola :)02:48
Nigelenkiok, I set my keymap as qwerty, but i have dvorak02:48
NigelenkiI have X set up right, but how do I fix the console02:48
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LinuxJonesGotD0t, your issuing cdrdao scanbus and it's not finding anything ?02:49
GotD0tLinuxJones: nope, nada02:49
LinuxJonesGotD0t, what does ls -al /dev/cdrom output ?02:50
GotD0tlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            3 2004-10-20 18:46 /dev/cdrom -> hdd02:50
LinuxJonesGotD0t, was it working @ some point ?02:50
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GotD0tLinuxJones: never tried using it before02:51
tolstoyCan anyone point this noob to "how to make a patch"?  Not sure which diff command to use, etc.02:51
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brettcartolstoy: diff file1 file202:51
brettcartolstoy: diff file1 file2 > outfile.patch02:52
tolstoybrettcar, that looks easy.  Do I have to be in a certain directory?02:52
LinuxJonesGotD0t, put a cdrom in there (with something on it) and see if it auto mounts02:52
brettcartolstoy: No it will operate on the files your point to and output to your current directory02:52
tolstoybrettcar, In other words, I have a tarball, unpack it, go down several levels, add a line or two to a file.02:53
bradsorry to ask such a stupid question, but is there an easy way to mount my NTFS partition read only ?02:53
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tolstoybrettcar, I'd like to create a patch you can apply at the top level of the source.02:53
tolstoybrettcar, well, I'll experiment.02:53
brettcartolstoy: then run patch from the top level02:53
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GotD0tLinuxJones: nothing... thats odd, they used to auto mount02:54
Kamionbrettcar: please always use diff -u02:54
brettcarKamion: Tell tolstoy that :)02:54
Kamiontolstoy: ^-02:54
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Kamionplain diff stops being useful as soon as the file you're applying it to changes much at all02:55
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stodgeSome mailing list posts instruct people to roll back gettext to 0.11 or 0.10. Wonder if the version in Ubuntu doesn't work properly?02:55
Kamiontolstoy: to diff directories, use 'diff -ru'02:55
Kamiontolstoy: if new files are involved, use the -N flag as well02:56
letheusI re-installed Fluxbox 4 times, but still i only get 3 options: Exit, Restart, Xterm.02:56
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Zindarletheus: try one more time! :)02:57
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Zindarno.. just kidding.. shouldn't matter how many times you reinstall :)02:57
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letheusZindar, Oh, i was just about to do it02:57
pbookanyone running mol?02:57
letheusThis is annnoying02:58
jdubletheus: reinstalling just puts exactly the same files on your disk :)02:58
Zindarhaha.. you've used windows to much :)02:58
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tolstoyKamion, thanks.02:59
letheusjdub, I had the same problems with other WM?s and an re-installation helped02:59
letheusZindar, you talk too much02:59
tolstoyKamion, okay, the patch looks like the diff.gz applied to the original sbcl, so maybe that's it.03:00
kensaiwhat is speedo that loads in xfree86?03:01
letheusMaybe i should try installing blackbox instead03:01
kensaiI'm going to clean my xfree8603:02
kensaiis it safe to remove Load speedo?03:02
ficusplanetI have an interesting problem.  My parent's HP desktop has onboard video that has apparently crapped out.  Does anyone know how I can get thing to pick up on the new PCI video card?  If I can fix this, it will be one more Ubuntu box out there on the Net.03:03
jdubmost likely a bios setting03:04
weswh-probably disable it in bios03:04
ficusplanetjdub, Yeah.  That's hard to do though, without video.03:05
GotD0thmm... question, should i not be able to print a flash window?03:05
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ficusplanetI guess it might be a good time to upgrade.03:06
limaunionhi, could somebody compile nvidia's driver for a 2.6.9 kernel ? I'm getting some 'wrong kernel source' error.03:06
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tolstoypatch generation advice anyone?03:11
tolstoyI have tarball03:12
hftzwhen should i expect my cds?03:12
tolstoyI make changes to code in tarball03:12
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tolstoythen I diff against tarball.orig?03:12
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kensaihow can I start nautilus-cd-burner it is not in the gnome menu03:17
jdubkensai: the burn: location will pop up when you insert a blank disc03:17
JanneMopen a nautilus window03:17
jdubkensai: you can also get to it from the Places menu in nautilus03:17
JanneMin "places" menu there should be cd creator03:17
tolstoyHm. My diff seems to think it's a "reverse".03:18
kensaiplaces menu?03:18
kensaiOk it is burn///03:19
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ubiqhi people03:20
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weswh-does having scroll lock on in gnome cause the mouse to act differently for anyone>?03:22
ubiqhow do i check the md5sum while in windows?03:23
georgiaubiq: there are lots of programs to do that, a quick search on google will turn up several03:24
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limaunionubiq: this is the right program: http://digestit.kennethballard.com/03:24
ubiqok, thanks a lot gyus::)03:25
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weswh-is there any way in Gnome to "shift" the horizontal image over a little bit? For some reason my monitor (lcd) shows windows perfectly centered, but Gnome a little off to the right side - both running at 1280x1024@60hz - so it will only remember one setting for the resolution...yet for whatever reason they don't both center.03:27
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weswh-maybe there is a slight difference in the hz or res or something that is causing it...or perhaps there is just a simple software adjustment?03:28
xskoulaxweswh-: i have a similar problem, you can fix it by auto adjusting your lcd03:29
weswh-auto adjusting it everytime you go to one or the other?03:30
xskoulaxjust a case of hittin a button and waiting maybe 2 seconds03:30
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xskoulaxi'd imagine its easier then trying to fix it anyother ways03:31
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weswh-hrmm, except I just did an auto and it overwrote all of the tweaks i've done to make it look good.03:31
JanneMthere is an app xvidtune you can use03:31
weswh-(just got the monitor today)03:31
JanneMit will give you a amodeline you can use in your X config file03:32
weswh-is there an easy way to access the x config file through GUI?03:32
xskoulaxJanneM: does that let you specify the offset or sumpthing?03:32
JanneMnot for this kind of thing, no03:32
weswh-i looked under the config editor..and didnt see anything for x03:32
JanneMxskoulax: it's fully interactive03:33
JanneMyou probably have it already03:33
JanneMit's part of the standard X installation03:33
xskoulaxi might have to look at then when i next do an install on my desktop03:33
weswh-so i have to go to console and sudo edit the file?03:33
JanneMand you need to know how to edit it03:33
tolstoylamont_r, I posted a patch to the devel list. hope it woiks. ;-)03:33
JanneMnot trivial03:33
JanneMbut it does fix this kind of thing03:33
weswh-so xvidtune is not a graphical tool?03:34
JanneMit is03:34
lamont_rtolstoy: I'll try it and upload if it fixes it.03:34
JanneMweswh-: but to make the change permanent, it needs to go into the config file03:34
JanneMor you'll just run xvidtune every time which is even more work than resetting your monitor every time03:34
tolstoylamont_r, okay. thanks for your help.  this is all pretty new for me, this patch/diff stuff. ;)03:35
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kensaiwho here is running gmail in evolution or thunderbird?03:37
xskoulaxthe following question is a little off topic but i'd imagine there are people here who could answer, anyone know of any good websites with guides teaching html+css?03:37
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ultrafunkxskoulax: simplebits.com is a nice place to start looking03:38
xskoulaxthx ultrafunk03:38
kensaixskoulax; www.htmlgoodies.com03:38
xskoulaxthx kensai03:39
xskoulaxnow to fire up bluefish ;)03:39
weswh-janne - i am looking in synaptic for xvidtune - don't see it...is it in another collection of software?03:39
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JanneMweswh-: you probably have it installed already03:41
JanneMweswh-: it is part of the X install03:41
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JanneMweswh-: go to a terminal (or the app running thing), and run "xvidtune"03:42
kensaihow does one configure libgmail once it is installed to work?03:42
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wes_it got quiet in here..03:47
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dancenhas anyone installed Eterm? i'm trying and it keeps telling me to install LibAST, which i already did03:57
LinuxJoneshi everyone, so quiet :)03:58
GotD0thow do i open the nautilus cd burner folder?03:58
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kensaithats the folder03:58
kensaiat terminal you can wrtie nautilus-cd-burner03:58
GotD0tkensai: not if it already had files in it03:59
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LinuxJonesGotD0t,  did you fix your cdr problems ?03:59
GotD0tLinuxJones: nope04:00
GotD0tLinuxJones: i can burn through nautilus... but ive always been able to do that. cdrecord still doesn't see my burner04:01
LinuxJonesGotD0t,  yikes did you post to the ubuntu mailing list, that night help :(04:01
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kensaihow can I take a screenshot of my sexy Ubuntu desktop?04:02
GotD0tcomputer > take screenshot04:02
dancencomputer - take04:02
snarflet me see it when your done ;p04:03
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kensaiLOL sorry I didn't see it04:03
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thursdayhello all04:04
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thursdayis it possible to make a boot script interactive? accept input from user ? and possibly only wait for 3 seconds before timing out?04:05
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GotD0tLinuxJones: cdrdao tries to acces /dev/cdrecorder... i accidently linked that to the wrong device, how do i change the link04:07
LinuxJonesGotD0t,  (sudo -s) then >> rm /dev/cdrecorder04:08
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nathanieldelaneyhow do i get tux racer?04:10
LinuxJonesnathanieldelaney, apt-get install tuxracer04:11
GotD0tLinuxJones: i think i might have gotten it04:13
GotD0tLinuxJones: success04:13
LinuxJonesGotD0t, how ;)04:13
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GotD0tLinuxJones: was linking to the wrong thing04:14
GotD0tuh oh... read buffer capacity failed...04:14
GotD0tis that baed?04:14
LinuxJonesGotD0t, linking to the wrong device will not work no :P04:14
GotD0tLinuxJones: no, i meant the error telling me the read buffer capacity failed04:15
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LinuxJonesGotD0t, that is probably normal (if you have sent the wrong type of info to the wrong type of device)04:18
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Zubthemaster9ahh, thought I typed the channel in wrong ^^04:21
LinuxJonesGotD0t, I don't know , I am loaded drunk....atm  :)04:21
GotD0tLinuxJones: well i tested the CD and it works04:21
Zubthemaster9can someone tell me how to add an app to the menu?04:22
Zubthemaster9sorry, I suck with gnome ^^04:23
BurgundaviaZubthemaster9: does it not do it automatically?04:23
Zubthemaster9should it?04:23
Burgundaviahave you logged out and in since you installed it?04:23
Zubthemaster9no, ^^04:23
Zubthemaster9should I?04:23
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Zubthemaster9worked :)04:25
Zubthemaster9oh one other thing04:25
Zubthemaster9this may sound stupid04:25
LinuxJonesGotD0t, If the cdreader works in read mode it 's a problem with R/RW mode add a  link to bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org04:25
HrdwrBoBthere are no stupid questions Zubthemaster9 :)04:25
Zubthemaster9I kinda closed the terminal before a program finihsed installing.. now I can't install over it or uninstall04:26
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Zubthemaster9and I wanna see how UT works under linux, so I am i9n a bit of a pickle04:26
GotD0tLinuxJones: its not a bug... cdrdao was just trying to write to a non-existant drive04:26
HrdwrBoBZubthemaster9: if you go to /usr/local/games (iirc)04:26
LinuxJonesGotD0t, so you fixed it ?04:26
HrdwrBoBand rm -r ut2004 or similar04:26
GotD0tLinuxJones: yes04:26
Zubthemaster9went there, there is only one file04:27
Zubthemaster9named uninstall04:27
Zubthemaster9so where the thing was supposedly almost installed04:28
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diemanKamion: i put it on the wiki04:28
LinuxJonesGotD0t, so was it a user action  that caused the fault ?04:28
Zubthemaster9there is only a shell script04:28
Zubthemaster9called uninstall04:28
Zubthemaster9which I can't run for somer eason04:28
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blahrusso is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_6404:29
nathanieldelaneyi tried apt-get install tuxracer and got "E: package tuxracer has no candidate"04:29
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GotD0tLinuxJones: i guess04:29
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kurtwHello gang04:30
blahrusdoes anyone know?04:30
blahrusso is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_6404:30
wm_eddienow go?04:30
HrdwrBoBnathanieldelaney: this means that it's referred to but doesn't exist. do you have the universe reposiutory enabled ?04:30
HrdwrBoBblahrus: not sure, sorry04:30
nathanieldelaneyi'm not sure, how can I look into that?04:31
nathanieldelaneyin synaptic package mgr?04:31
Cygniablahrus:I just installed java a few minutes ago, so yes on that one.04:31
kurtwLooking for a HOWTO configure subversion in Ubuntu.  Setup in SuSE was pretty easy but I am new to a 'non-rpm' distro.04:32
blahrusCygnia: where did you get it for?04:32
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blahrusCygnia: sorry back04:32
Cygniablahrus:follow the instructions at the ubuntu forums.04:32
CygniaI'll see if I can find you a link. hold on...04:33
LinuxJonesGotD0t,  so tell the dev's how you made their program not work as it should. They will fix it with your help :)04:33
nathanieldelaneyhow do I get the universe repository enabled?04:33
sandlewoodGreetings. Has anyone here had any luck with a Belkin FD-6050 USB wireless on ubuntu?04:34
Cygniablahrus:Try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153704:34
kurtwnathanieldelaney, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe04:34
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blahrusCygnia: thanks04:35
toratonHey, I have a question for Ubuntu users...04:35
blahrusCygnia: I don't think macromedia has made a 64 release of flash04:35
GotD0tthats retarded04:36
Cygniablahrus:I know, that's the last hurdle for me as well. We'll see.04:36
brettcarblahrus: They haven't04:36
toratonI'm a Gentoo user and generally I stay away from Debian-based distros, but do you think Ubuntu would be good for me?04:36
brettcartoraton: Depends, what do you need/want/like in a distro?04:36
blahrusbrettcar: whats their deal???04:36
brettcarblahrus: No $$$ in it right now04:37
kurtwtoraton, I have been a devout RedHat/Fedora/SuSE user for the past few years.  So far I have enjoyed Ubuntu.  Although, it is different.04:37
toratonbrettcar: Extreme customization and bleeding edge packages, actually.04:37
blahrushow long would it take for them to recompile?04:37
brettcartoraton: Not for you then04:37
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LinuxJonesGotD0t, why is tha retarded ?04:37
GotD0tLinuxJones: commenting on the lack of 64 flash04:37
brettcartoraton: Ubuntu will be far more recent then Debian is in stable, but it will not be "bleeding edge" like Gentoo04:37
LinuxJonesGotD0t,  eh ?04:37
GotD0tLinuxJones: nevermind04:38
brettcartoraton: Of course you could run the "unstable" version of Ubuntu, but its akin to the Debian unstable I suppose.04:38
LinuxJonesGotD0t,  don't mind me :)04:38
toratonbrettcar: Does Ubuntu use apt-get?04:38
brettcartoraton: Yes04:38
brettcartoraton: Not that you have to use it. You can use aptitude, synaptic, dselect, your pick ;) But yes, it uses apt and dpkg ;)04:38
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toratonbrettcar: Wonderful. I'm thinking Ubuntu might be good for my less technically inclined friends...04:39
blahrustoraton: yes04:39
brettcartoraton: Sure, desktop use is one of its goals04:39
blahrustoraton: don't make them use gentoo :)04:39
sandlewoodanyone using Belkin USB wireless here04:39
toratonblahrus: Haha, yeah, wouldn't dream of it.04:39
blahrustoraton: been thinking about giving it a try again04:40
blahrusgot a 64 bit system04:40
blahrusand I have a feeling they have the best support04:40
Burgundaviatoraton: Ubuntu is the 1st linux distro that I will unhesitantingly but on non-techy friends computers04:40
blahruscause you compile everything your self04:40
lintfiendi have a support question04:40
lintfiendcan anyone help?04:40
toratonblahrus: Oh, you should. Man, I've been dying to put gentoo on a powerful machine, I've only got a 500mhz04:40
brettcartoraton: You are a masochist. ;)04:40
kurtwlintfiend: Fire away04:40
blahrustoraton: yea I been thinking about it04:41
lintfiendi just installed ubuntu on an old sony vaio laptop04:41
lintfiendbut the display is messed up04:41
lintfiendso that the far left of the screen is on the right04:41
toratonBurgundavia: Wonderful. I think it will be great, then.04:41
lintfiendand then there is a huge black vertical column04:41
lintfiendthat takes up a fourht of the screen04:41
kurtwlintfiend: do you know what video card you have?04:42
lintfiendi dont know how to fix the display04:42
xskoulaxlintfiend: what model is the laptop?04:42
kurtwlintfiend: That will be the first step.04:42
toratonWell, thanks, you answered everything nicely. I'll give it a try.04:42
lintfiendi dontknow the exact model04:42
lintfiendas its inherited04:42
lintfiendits a sony vaoir04:42
brettcartoraton: And thank you for not being a Gentoo troll ;)04:42
lintfiendor whatevr04:42
kurtwlintfiend: Anything on the bottom of the computer to indicate the model?04:43
toratonbrettcar: Anytime, don't want to give gentoo a bad name ;)04:43
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lintfiendmodel pcg- 613204:43
xskoulaxlintfiend: model should be in the following format pcg-xxxxx04:43
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lintfiendya, sorry it was in thedocking statio04:44
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LinuxJonesgood nght everyone , have a good one !!04:44
lintfiendso basically if i move my mouse the left of the screen, eventually it appears on the right04:44
xskoulaxnight LinuxJones04:44
kapputuhello everyone04:44
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lintfiendbasically the entire screen is moved to the left04:44
kapputuhi GotDot what's up04:45
xskoulaxIntel 815EM04:45
lintfiendah thanks04:45
GotD0thi kapputu, not much really...04:45
xskoulaxup to 11mb sdram shared memory04:45
xskoulaxkurtw: did you see that? ^^04:46
kapputui'm trying to get sound card support for 440 BX04:46
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kapputuI convinced my roommate to install linux04:46
kapputuhe is an electrical engineer04:46
GotD0tgood job04:46
lintfiendso now that i know the card, what can i do?04:46
kapputubut i can't install his sound card04:47
kapputuand he is kinda pissed off04:47
kapputuhe listens to a lot of music04:47
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brettcarkapputu: He could wire himself up a new one quick like ;)04:47
tmartinhi everyone04:47
xskoulaxlintfiend: good question, i really havn't a clue on the problem but i have a vaio with another videocard thats why i got involved when you didn't know the card incase it was the same model04:47
lintfiendwell, do you maybe know where i could get some help04:48
kapputuas for me I have no problems04:48
kapputuubuntu works great on my laptop04:48
kapputuand i have fallen in love with it04:48
tmartinim new to running linux on my desktop, and id like to use it for developing c/c++ programs for school, but i dont know how to install the c/c++ package. Would someone be kind an help me? thx04:48
kapputusudo apt-get install g++04:49
kurtwapt-get install gcc04:49
kapputusudo apt-get install gcc04:49
kurtwahh yes, sudo04:49
xskoulaxlintfiend: this channel should provide help might have to ask again but atleast you have the model of the video card now the laptops a r505tl by the way04:49
xskoulaxlintfiend: www.linuxquestions.org is a good forum you could try searching there, there is also www.ubuntuforums.com04:50
tmartinthe ubuntu site says the follwoing  "If you want to develop in C or C++, install the build-essential package."  is suda apt-get the same?04:50
JanneMtmartin: easiest is to start synaptic04:50
JanneMthen fsearch for "build-essential"04:50
JanneMthen search for "build-essential"04:50
JanneMand mark it for installation04:50
xskoulaxi haven't used the ubuntuforums yet so i don't know how good they are, but if this channel is anything to go by it should be good04:50
JanneMit is a meta-package that will pull in most of the stuff you will need04:51
kurtwyea,  I just tested.  sudo apt-get install build-essential grabs your most common tools.04:51
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lintfiendwould anyone know why the screen on my laptop is shifted to the left04:51
lintfiendand how to fix it04:51
tmartinhow to i start synaptic, sorry im still learning and i've a ways to go04:51
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xskoulaxlintfiend: poke around google and those forums and see if anyone here has an idea04:52
JanneMit's in the Computer menu04:52
xskoulaxgood luck04:52
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Burgundaviatmartin: computer --> system config04:52
kapputusudo synaptic04:52
tmartinooo got it!04:52
kapputuI like to use the keyboard to move around the desktop04:53
eggshinhowdy all--quick question--do vesa drivers support above 1024x768?04:54
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kapputuhi Hikaru04:55
kapputuwhat's up buddy04:55
Hikaru79Hey, kapputu04:56
Hikaru79Nothing much04:56
Hikaru79Thoroughly enjoying ubuntu ^__^04:56
Hikaru79Glad I made the switch :D04:56
kapputuhow's your ubuntu04:56
kapputuyep me too04:56
GotD0tme too04:56
Hikaru79How long have you been an ubuntu user?04:56
kapputuhmm since 4 days..04:56
kapputuswitched from FC04:57
eggshinpicked it up this week myself--only linux install that went flawlessly out of 6 different distro's..04:57
kapputuand already it's my fav OS04:57
Hikaru79Almost 24 hours here :P04:57
Hikaru79w00t for Ubuntu :)04:57
tmartinhow do i install video drivers? i downloaded an rpm for my ati 9800, but what now?04:57
Hikaru79I have a feelign it'll do great ^ ^04:57
kapputuyep even FC 2 coudlnt configure my laptop touch pad properly04:57
Hikaru79tmartin, if it's an rpm you need 'alien' I believe04:57
Hikaru79alien is an app that runs rpm in distro's other than redhat04:58
tmartini tried sudo alien -di <rpm-name>04:58
eggshinthat sounds familiar...alien that is..04:58
tmartinbut it failed04:58
Burgundaviatmartin: try the ati drivers already in the repository04:58
kapputuhow good is alien ?04:58
kapputuin the sense does it run all rpms ?04:58
Burgundaviatmartin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:58
Burgundaviatmartin: there is already a driver in the universe repository04:58
Burgundaviatmartin: I have a 9600 and it configured fine04:59
xskoulaxtmartin:  that link is for media formats i beleive04:59
Hikaru79Has anyone here managed to get the Java SDK working in Ubuntu? Able to compile Java source codes and all? I'm having some real problems with this :(04:59
Hikaru79I follow the instructions to the letter04:59
kapputuhmm haven't tried04:59
tmartin wheres the universe repository?04:59
kapputumight do it soon04:59
Hikaru79And then it still doesn't recognise java being installed04:59
Hikaru79:) kapputu if it works for you could you walk me through it too?05:00
xskoulaxtmartin: this is the page you need http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:00
tmartinthx for the links :)05:00
mctavishHikaru79: I installed java sdk this morning05:00
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mctavishit seemed to work ok, but I only used it for the java library file for firefox05:01
mctavishi used the bin file from black something ... blackburn? worked fine05:01
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mctavishHikaru79: its on the wiki page. I'll have a quick look05:02
Hikaru79Thanks, mctavish =D05:03
mctavishblackdown. Here: http://www.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/05:03
tmartin Burgundavia: my card configured fine but i cant get the resolution or refresh rate i like05:04
Hikaru79Sweet :)05:04
Hikaru79And this is exactly the same as Sun's version of the sdk?05:04
Burgundaviatmartin: let me guess computer --> screen resolution fails right?05:04
kapputuwhat was the problem u had hikaru ?05:05
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Hikaru79kapputu, I don't know... I'd install it as per instructions05:05
mctavishAFAIK. don't know if they are fully up to date...05:05
Hikaru79But when I tried to compile a java program it said "java: program not found" or something to that effect05:05
tmartinthe res i like 1152x864 doesnt even appear under the video options in gnome05:05
kapputuhmm nothing to do with path settings ?05:05
Burgundaviatmartin: I can't even get screen resolution app to load05:06
tmartinfirst line of installing the gfx driver is "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-686" but i installed the amd64 distro so i tried "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-amd64" and got an error about the administration directory being locked.  whats that mean?05:06
Hikaru79Hmm, there's two directories inside of of /pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386 ; one called 'fcs' and one called 'rcl' ... what do these mean? ^ ^;;05:06
kapputuwhy not try going to the java bin dir and type java05:06
Zindartype ./java if you go to the java bin dir05:06
tmartinor really Burgundavia?05:06
tmartinbut what about ur refresh rate05:06
Hikaru79o_o Was that all I needed to do?05:06
Burgundaviatmartin: some sort of known bug with the ati driver05:07
mctavishHikaru79: yeah puzzled me for a while. Googled it and fcs is final candidate, rc is release candidate. I went fcs05:07
tmartinmines stuck at 60hz and my ears are hurting05:07
Burgundaviatmartin: 80hz05:07
Hikaru79Aah, I see :)05:07
Burgundaviatmartin: yes, my eyes hurt at 6005:07
tmartinerrr eyes*05:07
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Hikaru79mctavish, so the bins are exactly the same content as the ones on sun.java.com right?05:07
kapputuhi elmaya05:07
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Burgundaviatmartin: The worst part about 60 is that you can't really *see* the flick except where you are not focusing05:07
kapputuwhat's up05:07
GotD0ttmartin: mine is stuck at 60 and not only are my eyes hurting... i hear the buzzing05:08
tmartinoh man at least mine doesnt buzz05:08
GotD0ttmartin: so i get an even worse headache... from my eyes then from the almost constant buzzing05:08
mctavishHikaru79: I don't know for sure. If you are nervous, do some research.05:08
Hikaru79Heh ^ ^ OK, will do05:09
kapputuok i think i'll catch up with some sleep05:09
kapputuhappy ubunting folks05:09
mctavishHakaru79: it was linked from the wiki, for what thats worth.05:10
Hikaru79That's a good sign :o05:10
GotD0toh cool... i get to miss class tomorrow05:12
Hikaru79GotD0t, what for? :)05:12
GotD0tHikaru79: Edwards is coming to my school... my prof is letting us skip class if we go to the rally or w/e it is05:13
Hikaru79=O Wow!05:13
Hikaru79Are you actually gonna go, or just...? ;)05:13
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GotD0tHikaru79: im debating05:13
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alka_trashWow that was quick for Hoary05:18
alka_trashjust thought that it would take longer05:19
GotD0talka_trash: Ubuntu is on a 6 month dev cycle... you think they would wait a while after the warty release to get started on hoary?05:19
tmartinlinux-restricted modules >= is supposed to have the ati driver but im looking in synaptic and theres no restricted package that has an ati-kernel.  Have any of you been able to install the driver?05:20
oddabe19wait... hoary is up?05:20
alka_trashis it05:20
GotD0tlook at the topic05:20
alka_trashanything new05:20
Sensebendtmartin, yes05:21
oddabe19oh... haha05:21
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alka_trashnew packages?05:21
SensebendI just downloaded the rpm05:21
Sensebendconverted with alient05:21
tmartinim runnign on an amd64 and none of those packages have anything with ati in them05:21
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tmartinwhat command did you use05:21
Sensebendedited my Xfree configuration by hand05:21
tmartinim getting errors with alien05:21
Sensebendand it worked05:21
tmartinhow do you do that? im still learnin'05:21
jdubtmartin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki05:21
Sensebendsudo alien -d atidriver.rpm05:21
Sensebendwhatever the name of it is05:22
jdubooof, don't do that05:22
Sensebendit worked fine for me jdub05:22
jdubalka_trash: hoary is synced with sid05:22
tmartinjdub: thers no version in my restricted linux modules for ati driver05:22
jdubSensebend: might work fine, but it's totally unsupported05:22
tmartinare you running on an amd64 jdub?05:22
SensebendI support myself :)05:22
jdubSensebend: when ubuntu already ships the driver05:22
jdubtmartin: no05:22
alka_trashhas anyone tried hoary yet?05:23
jdubalka_trash: don't bother yet05:23
jdubalka_trash: when it's useable, it'll be announced05:23
Sensebendok tmartin, ignore what I am saying05:23
GotD0twell the chat topic kinda says "hoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet"05:23
alka_trashjdub: okay05:23
Sensebendand listen to the people who will tell you the proper way to do things05:23
alka_trashjdub: It's nice to hear about updates05:23
tmartinhey sensebend im getting this error with alien:  warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libX11 (soname 6, path /usr/X11R6/lib32/libX11.so.6, dependency field Depends)dpkg-shlibdeps:05:24
alka_trashlast night I found this website http://www.icalshare.com/05:24
alka_trashit's pretty cool for adding calendar stuff to evolution05:24
tmartinsorry for all that error crap but alien inst working05:24
GotD0tthats cool05:25
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alka_trashI wish I could find a more linux directed website, but for now icalshare is great05:26
tux_i wish someone hadn't stolen my nickname here05:27
tux_oh well05:27
tux_at least when i google only my stuff comes up05:27
tux_boy what a ton of users here05:28
tmartinsensebend: how do you edit refresh rate info in the XF86Config-4 file05:28
tmartinmy refreshrates are listed as a range...05:28
Sensebendtmartin, did you get it to work05:28
alka_trashhere's mine05:29
tmartinwell my XF86Config file which was generated by the install has the correct identificaton for my card05:29
alka_trashSection "Monitor"05:29
alka_trashIdentifier"Generic Monitor"05:29
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tmartinso im thinking i can just modify the config05:29
alka_trashsorry, I got  a little excited05:29
GotD0ttmartin: yea... just be sure not to use a refresh rate too high for your monitors res05:29
tux_tmartin, look up model on google05:30
tux_i found mine that way05:30
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alka_trashyep, me too05:30
nmyand mine was very obscure05:30
nmythis one is a dell 991... it automatically (when i ran the xconfigure scritpt) fixed it05:30
Sensebendbe careful with this, if you don't want a paperweight ;05:31
nmywill burn it up05:31
SensebendI just got my stuff from Dell Support website05:31
SensebendI have a Dell P78005:31
nmythat works05:31
Sensebendthe numbers are listed05:31
Sensebendthey worked fine05:31
GotD0tis it possible to get user input from a sh script?05:31
nmyer, yea05:32
thoreauputic_GotD0t: use "read"05:32
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nmyanyway, got to go05:32
nmyfirst time on this irc channel05:32
nmyand in my new ubuntu box05:32
nmyvery slick distro05:33
nmycongrats to the team who made it possible...and to Shuttleworth05:33
HrdwrBoBand to me05:33
nmyand you05:33
HrdwrBoBbecause I am taking a late lunch so I can get this crap done05:33
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nmywell, i now have another excellent distro to push to our LUG05:34
seth_can anyone help me set j2re ?05:35
GotD0tLate lunch? where are you05:35
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nmyor is that 10105:35
nmy|337 is not for me05:36
nmycramps my brain05:36
nmyran seth off?05:36
tmartinnmy: i found the info and updated05:36
tmartinmind telling me how i restart X Windows...05:37
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nmyhey, he got it05:37
BurgundaviaI can't seem to find flgrx drivers anymore05:37
HrdwrBoBBurgundavia: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:38
BurgundaviaHrdwrBoB: no, I mean I cannot find it any repository I have05:38
GotD0tis there a command to make a text file?05:38
nmylike vi05:38
HrdwrBoBBurgundavia: it should be in the restricted repository05:38
nmyvi and file name05:38
HrdwrBoBGotD0t: gedit05:39
GotD0twell i want just to be able to make the file w/o opening the editor05:39
HrdwrBoBapplications->Accessories->text editor05:39
thoreauputicGotD0t: to create a file you can use "touch"05:39
Burgundaviatouch filename05:39
thoreauputicGotD0t: echo String of stuff >> file05:40
jdubor right click, Create Document > Empty File in nautilus05:40
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nmyor use stuff | filename05:41
tmartinnmy: yay! its at 85Hz05:41
nmytmartin, hey guess that worked05:41
GotD0ti only need one way to do it ;-)05:41
HrdwrBoBnmy: that won't work you need >05:41
nmyHrdwrBoB, yea05:41
tmartinmy eyes are now mollified05:42
nmylate here05:42
thoreauputicGotD0t: this is linux - there are always many ways ;)05:42
nmyin US05:42
GotD0tits not THAT late05:42
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HrdwrBoBit's lunchtime here05:42
nmybut 3 months with only 4-5 hrs /nite05:42
GotD0tnmy: on the eastern seaboard its only 11:40 ish05:42
tmartinits 9pm man time to start getting to work05:42
nmyGotD0t, in GA I am05:42
vertical_98Does anyone here know anything about Gnome Mud client?05:42
GotD0tnmy: i havent gotten more than 2 hours of sleep each night for the past two weeks... and im stil lgoing05:43
thoreauputicGotD0t: the eastern seaboard of th eonly country on earth?05:43
GotD0ti thought it was obvious iw as tlaking about the US... considerng nmy said it05:43
thoreauputicGotD0t: i'm on the  eastern seabord of .au and it's 1:43 PM05:43
nmyGotD0t, lol05:43
GotD0tnmy said US, and i said its not that late05:44
nmythoreauputic, yea... tomorrow05:44
nmyi'm in Middle Georgia, US05:44
thoreauputicnmy: way ahead of you guys - as always ;)05:44
thoreauputicyou'll never catch up...05:44
nmythoreauputic, do you ever chat with a guy from NewZealand - NZHeritic05:45
thoreauputicnmy: no but I've seen/heard of him05:45
nmyhe's a regular on The Linux Show IRC05:45
thoreauputiche posts all over the place :)05:46
tmartinhow can i access my other hdds on my computer that are used for Windows?05:46
tmartinid like access to my media :)05:46
nmyhe's supposed to be doing an Aussie TheLinuxShow05:46
GotD0tyea.. that seems quite common05:46
nmytmartin, are the NTFS?05:46
GotD0t(i would hope so)05:47
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GotD0ttmartin: you there?05:48
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tmartinthey are ntfs05:51
tmartinsorry had to get some munchies05:51
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Sensebendtmartin, it is safest to mount NTFS systems as read only05:52
tmartinok thats cool05:53
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tmartinhow do i get linux to recognize those partitions05:54
GotD0thow many are there?05:54
Sensebendtmartin what is in your /etc/fstab05:55
tmartini have 2 partitions on 2 disks05:55
tmartinone sec lemme check05:56
Sensebendit may be already there05:56
Sensebendprobably is05:56
GotD0twhy do you say that?05:56
nomasteryodacause ubuntu is good05:56
tmartinits not htere05:56
GotD0tnot that good...05:56
tmartinjust / swap and cdroms05:56
GotD0tmine werent there05:56
SensebendI don't have any windows partitions so I wouldn't know05:57
nomasteryodai use no NTFS here at home05:57
nomasteryodado at work though05:57
nomasteryodalet me find my fstab from work05:57
GotD0twell he needs to find out the location of his partitions05:57
nomasteryodathat should be relatively easy05:58
thoreauputictmartin: type  sudo fdisk -l in a terminal05:58
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GotD0tand then make a directory for each of your partitions in /mnt/05:59
thoreauputictmartin: that will give you a list of your partitions05:59
Cube-nessanybody know why root can see scanner in xsane, but regular user cannot?06:00
GotD0tthen in fstab put /dev/hd<partition loc>/mnt/<mount folder>ntfsro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0006:01
GotD0tand that should do it06:01
tmartindo i do this even for the linux / and swap partitions?06:02
GotD0tjust the ones labeled NTFS under system06:02
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tmartingotdot: should that be user=0 above06:06
tmartinwhats umask do06:06
GotD0tgives you permission to access it06:06
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truthchoanyone knows what's the minimum requirement for Ubuntu 4.1?06:08
tmartinok edited the fstab how do mount them right now06:08
truthchoto run GNOME06:08
tmartinsame cmd just on the cmdline?06:08
GotD0ttmartin: afaik it should mount after saving06:08
tmartino cool they did in fact06:09
nomasteryodaain't linux grand06:09
tmartinbut it says unable to mount the selected volume06:09
GotD0ttmartin: now... a piece of advice back that file up06:09
tmartinall my ntfs entries new partitons06:09
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GotD0twait. what?06:10
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nomasteryodaGotD0t: ...yea backup the /etc/fstab file06:10
nomasteryodaand the Xconfig too ...06:10
tmartinwell i opened up a window of mnt in gnome and it says it cant mount them when i clikco on it06:11
GotD0tbut what happened tmartin?06:11
GotD0tyou didnt mount em both to mnt did you?06:11
BlueStormHey, is this the place to ask questions?06:11
BlueStormEven if they may be dumb.06:11
tmartini mounte each partition to a sepearte directory in mnt06:11
tmartinlike hde1, hda1, hdb106:12
nomasteryodagreetings or aloha...06:12
nomasteryodanite here06:12
GotD0tso when you saved fstab what happened?06:12
GotD0tbluestorm what y aneed06:12
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BlueStormWell I can't seem to change my resaloution beyong 1024 x 76806:13
tmartinnothing was wrong when i saved06:13
tmartinbut then i went under Computer->Disks to try and access them06:13
GotD0tshow me both entries in fstab06:14
GotD0tor all of them06:14
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GotD0tbluestorm how are you trying?06:14
BlueStormI crave 1280 x 1024.06:14
GotD0thaha, don't we all06:14
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BlueStormI just went to computer, system config, resolution.06:15
cef_workmdz: just did soemthing silly with a mailing list and found a bug. went to subscribe to a list, got the email, clicked on the link and then accidently clicked on the 'Cancel my subscription" button instead of the subscribe one, and I got an error!06:15
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tmartin"/dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"06:15
tmartin"/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"06:15
tmartin"/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 006:15
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GotD0tno, there has to be a space between user and the 006:15
cef_workmdz: 'twas the security-announce list, but it's probably mailman, not the list.06:16
tmartinthats why i asked about hte = before :-p06:16
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GotD0tand once you get it working BACK IT UP06:16
GotD0tI made that mistake twice...06:17
BlueStormBut Im very much a Linux newbie.06:17
GotD0tBluestorm: one sec06:17
tmartingotdot: mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb106:17
tmartinthats the only error now06:18
GotD0tonly one?06:18
tmartinthe file seems to parse fine now06:18
GotD0tother ones mount fine?06:18
tmartinno i mean that error occurs for all06:18
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GotD0tand that happens when?06:18
tmartinmaybe a different umask?06:18
tmartinwhen i click on to browse the contents of the disk thru computer->disks in teh gnome menu06:19
rya1I have a question.....06:19
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GotD0tok, try sudo mount /mnt/hdb106:19
taviguyif I edit my interfaces file while running the system, how can I apply the changes without restarting the box?06:20
tmartinmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,06:20
tmartin       or too many mounted file systems06:20
cef_workrya1: ask away06:20
rya1I installed ubuntu and worked great for one day. Now when I boot I get all these input/output errors when loading drivers at boot/ Usually says 'cant read module'06:20
BlueStormI periodically hear sound effects for foreseeable reason?06:20
rya1but gnome will boot. but no network06:21
GotD0tBluestorm: open up /etc/X11?Xf86Config-4 and copy the ones listed under Monitor and Screen in a private message to me06:21
cef_worktmartin: sounds like the ntfs module isn't loaded. are you mounting as root, using pmount, or mounting as a user?06:21
thoreauputictaviguy: try sudo  /etc/init.d/networking restart06:21
rya1any ideas?06:22
taviguyalso, is thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?06:22
taviguyas in add in maybe two essids that are possible and their WEP keys06:22
tmartincef_work: im mounting as a user06:23
tmartini tired sudo mount but i get an error on that06:23
GotD0twhats the error?06:23
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tmartinmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,06:23
tmartin       or too many mounted file systems06:23
cef_worktmartin: do 'sudo modprobe ntfs' and try again06:24
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dobi don't find in the ubuntu site the list of all available package, can someone give me a link?06:25
tmartincef_work: same error after modprobe06:25
cef_worktmartin: ok.. well that rules out it not having the ntfs module loaded06:26
tmartinim trying "mount /etc/hdb1"06:26
GotD0ttmartin: read me the fstab line again06:26
tmartinwith the corresponding line in the fstab06:26
thoreauputicdob: if you open synaptic, you can browse all available packages06:26
cef_worktmartin: you have a directory called /mnt/hdb1 ?06:26
thoreauputicdob: assuming your sources are set up properly, of course06:27
tmartin"/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user=0        0"06:27
GotD0tno martin06:27
kurtwMake sure the NTFS module loaded 'lsmod | grep ntfs'06:27
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dobthoreauputic: i don't have ubuntu installed, i want only to see the list of package06:27
GotD0tdude, it should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user   0      0"06:27
tmartinyea its loaded06:28
cef_worktmartin: and 'ls -l /mnt/hdb1' ?06:28
GotD0tmake those changes tmartin06:28
GotD0tand try it06:28
jdubdob: see archive.ubuntu.com06:28
kurtwtmartin: GotD0t has it right.06:28
tmartinof fack i usd = instead of space06:28
tmartinsubliminal mistake06:28
thoreauputicdob: well, you can find such a list on debian.org, but it will be huge and not exactly the equivalent of ubuntu06:29
thoreauputicdob: debian has over 12,000 packages06:29
tmartinOH SWEET06:29
tmartinthx guys06:29
jdubdob: the packages file for main is what you want06:29
tmartinsorry for the dilatory mistakes06:29
taviguyis thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?06:29
GotD0tsee, tmartin if you would carefully read the directions your stuff would be set up a lot quicker06:30
PuddPunkwhen does the next ubuntu calander come out?06:30
dobthoreauputic: yes i know i use debian , just to see the version of some package06:30
cef_worktaviguy: by default? depends on the card usually, but if it can you either leave the ESSID blank, or set it to ANY06:30
GotD0tPuddPunk nov06:31
cef_worktaviguy: same options as with iwconfig06:31
thoreauputicdob: OK - sorry I didn't mean to be presumptuous :)06:31
smoHas anyone got cloop to build from cloop-src? It appears to be choking looking for a modversions.h that doesn't exist06:31
PuddPunkbeginning of november? end of november? middle of november?06:31
taviguyim saying 2 netowrks with WEP06:31
jdubtaviguy: not atm06:31
jdubPuddPunk: beginning of november06:32
dobthoreauputic: no problem :)06:32
taviguyso you would have to specify the essid and key06:32
PuddPunkcool :)06:32
cef_worktaviguy: ahh you want to switch between networks06:32
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PuddPunktaviguy, i've been wrestling with the network profiles (the gui beastie) that comes with ubuntu06:32
kurtwtaviguy: I tried looking at wifiradar and could not get it to work.  If there is a solution, I would be grateful.06:32
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cef_worktaviguy: you could possibly do it using the 'mapping' stuff.. there isn't a huge amount of docs on it, and it's not easy to set working, but it CAN be done06:32
PuddPunki find it works best if you delete your stuff from the interfaces file, then start fresh with the profiles in the GUI configuration06:32
PuddPunki have one for home, work and school06:32
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cef_worktaviguy: and you could possibly call other tools that will listen for networks and depending on which it can see, connect to it06:33
tmartindoes ubuntu natively support the playing of mp3s?06:34
jdubnot with the default install, no06:34
tmartinany packages that have players ?06:34
jdubrhythmbox will play mp3s if you install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe06:34
jdubsee RestrictedFormats on the wiki06:34
GOwinhi everone. is /etc/rc.d the same as ubuntu's /etc/rc0.d? i'm trying to configure NAT. the guide i am using for configuring NAT is telling me to look for /etc/rc.d/rc.local06:34
HrdwrBoBGOwin: the guide is ooooold06:35
GotD0ttmartin: if you are used to winamp in windows you can install xmms06:35
GotD0ttmartin: which has the same gui06:35
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PuddPunkis it possible to get gstreamer support for mp3?06:36
rya1Sorry to inturrupt, but does anyone know why when I boot now I get "input/output error" cant read module and then somthing in the "/lib/modules/kernel/" directory.. It goes by too fast and I cant find the log file that has the exact output. Its usually .ko  files it cant read.   I still can boot, but some things dont work (like netwok). Strange thing is that is was working fine for 1 day after install, and nothing changed...06:36
HrdwrBoBGOwin: I think it should work if you create /etc/rc.local06:36
GOwinHrdwrBoB, if it's old. what should i use?06:36
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HrdwrBoBGOwin: /etc/rc.d is a relic from redhat 606:36
GOwinhmm ..06:36
dobthe security update for the packages in ubuntu are related to the update of the packages on sarge or sid ? or there like in woody a source list for security update?06:36
HrdwrBoBthe security updates are only on main06:38
HrdwrBoBthe ubuntu packages06:38
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rya1GOwin, I have been using firestarter for may NAT as it is pretty easy to setup. It is in the universe set of packages.06:38
PuddPunkis there a way i can unintall emacs without rooting my install? when i try and uninstall emacs it tries to uninstall ubuntu-desktop which i assume is a bad thing06:38
GOwini'll look at firestarter then. :)06:38
thoreauputicGOwin: firestarter is a good option06:38
HrdwrBoBPuddPunk: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which includes emacs06:38
spikebPuddPunk,  actually, it's okay - as long as it's ONLY trying to uninstall that package06:38
cef_workanyone know of a good package for admin control of a samba pdc that's in ubuntu (universe is fine)06:38
HrdwrBoBPuddPunk: thus, when you remove emacs, it removes ubuntu-dektop06:42
GOwinso firestarter is NAT and firewall?06:42
HrdwrBoBGOwin: correct06:42
HrdwrBoBcef.. nfi, luckily we don't have that sort of thing here06:42
thoreauputicGOwin: yes - and has a very simple setup wizard06:42
BlueStormHow do you PM in Xchat?06:42
GOwinthanks for the info guys.06:42
PuddPunkHrdwrBoB, I figured that much, i just thought it might stuff up my upgrade capabilities06:42
dobHrdwrBoB: ok06:42
PuddPunkBlueStorm, double click on a nick either in the nick list or the main window06:42
cef_workHrdwrBoB: I was looking at LAM, but unfortunately it's not in ubuntu or debian it seems.. (and no, there is lam3, which is something entirely different)06:42
GOwinwhile at it, how about giving me a headstart on how to configure a box for ppp dial-in06:42
BurgundaviaPuddPunk: You can remove ubuntu-desktop without any problems06:42
rya1GOwin, sorry never done it06:42
PuddPunkwoohoo :)06:42
BlueStormHmmmm, Im clicking to my heart's content and nothing is happening.06:42
HrdwrBoBcef_work: irritatin06:42
spikebas long as your heart is content, then it matters not :)06:42
BurgundaviaBlueStorm: right click on a nick06:42
tmartinwhat package of rythmbox supports mp3s?06:43
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tmartinrythmbox is in the default install but .mp3s still arent recognized06:43
Burgundaviatmartin: I think you need gstreamer-mad06:43
Burgundaviatmartin: not rhythmbox itself06:43
jdubtmartin: are told you how to fix it above06:44
tmartini see no gstreamer-mad in synaptic06:44
jdubtmartin: and pointed to docs06:44
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jdubagain, gstreamer0.8-mad (in universe)06:44
tmartinsorry yea06:49
tmartinim looking at teh page now06:49
rya1anyone know where boot warning messages are logged? I cant see them in /var/log/messages06:49
Treenaksrya1:are they logged at all?06:49
spikebpossibly dmesg06:49
rya1not sure. Its not in dmesg either. Its these input/output errors when loading .ko modules06:49
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tmartinyea i forgot to hit reload06:49
tmartinin synaptic06:49
GOwinanyone using xfce for their desktop?06:49
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psyklopsI just set up printing, in linux, and had less trouble than with windows. JOY!06:51
HrdwrBoBpsyklops: excellent :D06:51
geppyheh  :)06:51
psyklopsI spent all day at my uncles house setting up his new printer for him, it failed to install a few times for no reason. He gave me his old printer, and you know how that went :)06:51
tmartinmp3s only play in totem?06:51
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ficusplanetWill J5's hal/cups magic from Fedora make it to Hoary?06:52
psyklopswow... hal...06:52
psyklopshow much easier could it get?06:52
tmartinwould some please tell me how to change my computer name?06:52
ficusplanetPlug it in and it works.  If it can't tell what printer you plugged it, it gives a list of possibilities automatically.06:57
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psyklopswell... what I just did was install cupsys and foomatic (with foomatic-gui) and then basically did a next-next-next install06:57
ficusplanetpsyklops, I agree that it's easy now, but really in most cases no user input whatsoever should be necessary to make the print work.06:57
BlueStormMy double click command is set to whois06:57
BlueStormWhat should I enter to get PM happening?06:57
psyklopswithout knowing your IRC client?06:57
HrdwrBoBright click06:57
HrdwrBoBopen query06:57
psyklopspreferences, just look a bit06:57
BlueStormI foudn where to change it, I just don't know what to enter in the text box.06:58
psyklopswell it starts with /msg06:58
psyklopsand I guess maybe %s represents the person you clicked06:59
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psyklopsno that won't work...06:59
psyklopswonder what you enter to open a dialog.. hmm06:59
ficusplanetI don't think you do open a dialog in xchat.  You just /msg Nick Message07:00
ficusplanetIf you want a chat dialog, use Gaim.07:00
psyklops(I just love going to read the documentation :))07:00
GotD0tno, you can open a dialoug in xchat07:00
spikebdcc chat opens a dialog, as does msging07:00
GotD0tright click on the name then open dialoug window07:00
spikebGotD0t, if you msg the person, when they respond it'll pop open a window07:00
psyklopsright click their name and click "open dialog window"07:00
ficusplanetOh, OK.  Cool.07:01
psyklopsbut he wants it to be simpler07:01
cef_workthe command you want is /query07:01
cef_workie: /query cef_work07:01
psyklopsreally... let me test that07:02
psyklopshe speaks the truth!07:04
GotD0the does07:04
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cef_workpsyklops: showing my age knowing that.. I remember it from the days of ircII, early after it was first released07:04
psyklopsnow, how do you tell xchat to do that when you double click a name07:04
psyklopswell, why am I asking...07:04
psyklopsI don't want it, BlueStorm does07:04
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GotD0tthats an irritating name07:04
psyklopsthe old curiousity kicking in and making me steal other people's problems07:04
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kurtwHere is an off the wall question.  Anyone use iFolder with Ubuntu?07:05
cef_workSettings -> Preferences -> Interface -> User list -> Action Upon Double Click -> QUERY %s07:05
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GotD0toh goodie, who wants a coaster07:05
psyklopsI was adding the /, silly me07:05
jdubkurtw: i'm packaging ifolder07:05
jdubkurtw: needs a lot of love...07:05
kurtwjdub: Need a tester?07:06
spikebifolder :)07:06
psyklopswell BlueStorm, there's your answer07:06
ficusplanetjdub, I'd like to test, too.  Are you guys including mono in Hoary?07:06
jdubkurtw: at some stage, i'm waiting for a new release atm07:06
kurtwMono is easy to install with apt07:06
jdubficusplanet: potentially07:06
psyklopsheh... he was off while we talked07:07
jdubficusplanet: it's all in universe atm, and will be for hoary too07:07
jdub(if it doesn't make it into main)07:07
spikebuniverse schmooniverse07:07
ficusplanetjdub, Excellent.07:07
psyklopswhy does xchat have 2 %s after "QUOTE WHOIS"?07:07
ficusplanetjdub, I don't know if you've discussed this at all, but have you guys looked into J5's hal/cups integration.  I know it's still a bit RH specific, but with it pretty much all hardware would be halized in Hoary.07:08
jdubyeah, i have07:08
GotD0tok... Its late... im going to bed07:08
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jdubmost likely to make it into hoary if it makes it into GNOME 2.1007:08
ficusplanetjdub, OK07:08
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jdubkurtw: next release of gnome, due in march07:09
cef_workpsyklops: afaik, it shouldn't07:09
ficusplanetIt's amazing how quickly HAL has changed the Linux desktop.07:09
psyklopscef_work: thats what double click action is set to by default...07:09
psyklopsaction -> command07:10
smoIf you include the nick twice on a whois request, you get a little more info .. most notable the idle time.  So I suspect it's twice for a reason07:10
bernanyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?07:10
cef_workpsyklops: not here.. but then, this is debian sid, not ubuntu, but shouldn't be any different07:10
psyklopsI get idle time with 1xnick07:11
cef_workbern: you can use ndiswrapper with amd64?07:11
smopsyklops, that seems to be an oddity to this network .. on most, you won't (unless they're actually on the same server as you)07:11
berncef_work: i don't know, i'm trying to get it working so I can try and get my onboard wireless working07:12
psyklopsokay, explanation accepted07:12
geppyDoes anyone here know how to permanently change the length of tabs in vi?  I'd like to change the length of the auto-indent, as well.07:14
Pizbitgeppy: set ts=NUMBER in ~/.vimrc I think07:16
geppyThanks.  :)07:16
geppyError detected while processing /home/geppy/.vimrc:07:17
geppyline    1:07:17
geppyE433: No tags file07:17
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ficusplanetI noticed that the sorting order changed from ABab to AaBb sometime between the preview and final.  My desktop didn't get this change however.  What do I do to change this?07:18
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geppyOh, oops... wrote "ts=2", not "set ts=2"07:18
PizbitDoes it work?07:19
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geppyPizbit:  Yes.  Though, how do I change the length of the auto-indent?07:20
PizbitNo idea;)07:20
geppyheh  =)07:21
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geppyIs there a #vi?07:22
geppyI can't imagine there being all that much to talk about.07:22
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utisI understand that I can install Debian packages in my new ubuntu system.  Is there a list of apt-URLs that are safe to use?07:25
Burgundaviautis: is the package not in universe?07:25
psyklopscheck your sources.list07:25
psyklopstheres a commented source07:25
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utisHm, I have used the synaptic tool and with the URLs provided there by default I could not find a few packages.07:26
SimonTis ubuntu relatively easy to install ?07:26
utisLike nethack, sodipodi  ...07:26
spikebyes it is07:26
utisSimonT: I just did it right now and it was like a dream.07:27
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Burgundaviaare other people have the expired cert with bugzilla.ubuntu?07:27
utisI didn't even have to something to get X on my laptop running. Amazing.07:27
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Burgundaviautis: What specifically are you looking for?07:28
tableist90does anyone know how to make a keyboard shortcut to an application?07:28
jdubtableist90: you can do that in gconf-editor07:28
tableist90well..kinda new to linux here07:29
utisBurgundavia: nethack, sodipodi, sbcl come to my mind right now.07:29
geppyComputer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts07:29
tableist90yah but i can't bind a keyboard shortcut to a specific app that i want07:29
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pbook2has anyone tried mol on ubuntu?07:30
plovs_workmako, thanks for the cc-meeting summery.07:30
Burgundaviautis: have you enabled universe?07:31
altanbefore I start installing ubuntu, does ubuntu support NTFS read so I can copy all the stuff from my backup drive (MP3s) to my main drive while I format it to reiserfs or ext3 or do I have to copy the stuff to my main HD now, format it to FAT32, and put it all back again?07:31
Gmailbtw guys there have been some cds shipped the ones to people which work at where they are being made07:31
tableist90jdub: where is it located?07:31
geppyaltan:  Yes.07:31
altanall right07:31
SimonTeagmail for people without a burner ?07:32
Burgundaviautis: I found sodipodi in universe07:32
Burgundaviautis: net-hack as well07:32
geppySimonTea: ?07:32
SimonTeawell i am downloading the iso now07:32
utisBurgundavia: ah, no. I seem to recall that I have read that term somewhere.07:32
SimonTeaso i'm wondering what the issue is about cd's being pressed07:32
Burgundaviaload synaptic07:33
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Burgundaviaunder settings--07:33
jdubSimonTea: they'll most likely arrive next month07:33
Burgundaviacheck the 2 lines labelled universe07:33
Burgundaviayou should get a message regarding if you want to enable universe07:33
Burgundaviautis: They should be the 4th and 5th lines07:34
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utisBurgundavia: ah. Thank you.07:35
Burgundaviautis: did that get it?07:35
Simonoi keep getting knocked off irc07:35
bernanyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?07:35
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jameshbern: to use with your amd64 windows drivers?07:35
utisi have not yet made caps into control ...07:36
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kurtwI think I found a bug in the universe when trying to apt-get install transcode.  Can someone confirm?07:37
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bernjamesh: yes07:37
jameshbern: if you want to use win32 drivers on an Athlon 64 system, you'll need to run a 32-bit kernel, unfortunately :(07:37
bernjamesh:  :(07:37
jameshbern: one of the problems with proprietary software ...07:37
bernjamesh:  i'm trying to get my internal wireless card working, supposedly the chipset is BCM9430607:37
tableist90hey can u guys help me create a keyboard shorcut for a specific application?07:37
GOwinmy eth0 is found by ubuntu as eth2. firestarter knows it as eth0 (i think) how do i rename eth2 as eth0?07:38
jameshbern: well, if you need to get the wireless card working and there is no free driver, you might need to install Ubuntu/i38607:38
Burgundaviakurtw: the package I have is 2:06.12-sarge06, is that the package?07:38
Burgundaviakurtw: I had sarge enabled, let me try that again07:39
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kurtwBurgundavia: Same package that I have.  Seems to be trouble with libjasper-1.701-107:41
utisBurgundavia: thanks that gives me a lot more packages.07:41
utisUnfortunately I can't find sbcl. :(07:41
Burgundaviakurtw: ok, let me try and install it07:42
Burgundaviakurtw: I got the same error07:42
Burgundaviakurtw: let me try with sarge enabled07:42
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nathanieldelaneyhey, i got tuxracer installed.  how do I play it?07:43
Burgundavianathanieldelaney: have you logged out and logged back in to see if it is in the menu?07:44
geppy$ tuxracer07:44
nathanieldelaneyill try those07:44
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cef_workHrdwrBoB: ahh seems ldap-account-manager is in universe.. w00t!07:45
HrdwrBoBhooray :)07:45
Burgundaviakurtw: the problem is that libjasper is not in universe. But it is in sarge07:45
HrdwrBoBwhen ubuntu can go and get me donuts07:45
HrdwrBoBI will be very happy07:45
kurtwHow can I enable sarge as an apt source?07:46
Burgundaviakurtw: try this: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ main unstable07:46
Burgundaviasorry http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main07:46
HrdwrBoBnot recommended07:46
HrdwrBoBjust quietly07:46
thoreauputicHrdwrBoB: apt-get install donuts doesn't work?  ;)07:46
Burgundaviaas HrdwrBoB says07:46
utisnot recommended?07:46
HrdwrBoBno, not recommended07:46
kurtwin /etc/apt/sources.list?07:46
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cef_workHrdwrBoB: I just couldn't be arsed screwing around with samba/ldap to get something that worked.. this should make it a lot easier, and then I can tell the consultant guy we have to leave me alone07:46
Burgundaviakurtw: you can use synaptic to do it automatically07:46
HrdwrBoBcef:heh consultants07:47
utisHm, then I'd have to compile sbcl myself. :(07:47
thoreauputickurtw: you will break stuff07:47
HrdwrBoBcef:I want to move here to LDAP07:47
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HrdwrBoBwe have WAY too many seperate user dbs07:47
cef_workHrdwrBoB: this one is apparently trying to buy into the company07:47
Burgundaviakurtw: just remember to uncheck sarge before you do any updates on your box or you will get a bunch of newer packages that may break your machine07:47
nathanieldelaneylogging in and out didnt bring it into the menu, and $tuxracer doesnt do anything07:47
kurtwok.  Just need the source to get dvdrip going.07:48
cef_workHrdwrBoB: well I'll let you know how things go.. nfi if lam really works for anything other than samba.. but I can only look and see07:48
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thoreauputicnathanieldelaney: just tuxracer (no $ )07:48
makoplovs_work: no problem07:48
Burgundavianathanieldelaney: not in applications --> games?07:48
nathanieldelaneycommand not found07:48
HrdwrBoBcef_work: cool cheers07:48
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Burgundavianathanieldelaney: look at the listing of files installed for the package, and see if you see something like tuxracer somewhere07:49
cef_workHrdwrBoB: new mail servers are all ready bar actual deployment and the ldap db setup.. so yeah.. now just considering if I should re-install them with ubuntu instead of testing.. *grin*07:49
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bigbrother0074could anybody tell me why firefox quits if i type gr or gn or something like that?07:51
Burgundavianathanieldelaney: I am just installing tuxracer right now07:51
bigbrother0074i type it into the google searchbar thing07:51
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HrdwrBoBcef_work: :)07:52
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timothybigbrother0074: why ever type anything in that tiny bar? :) You can use the built-in hotlink to google :)07:52
HrdwrBoBcef_work: I'm highly likely to install ubuntu on our new server07:52
timothybigbrother0074: That's not a real answer, but a workaround ...07:52
cef_workHrdwrBoB: the main issue is: do I want to go thru and reinstall them? (ie: effort)07:52
nathanieldelaneythere's a "/usr/games/tuxracer"07:53
HrdwrBoBahh yeah07:53
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: I cannot seem to replicate it07:53
bigbrother0074timothy: it's easier to tab over to that after ctrl+t07:53
HrdwrBoBbit of a pain07:53
Zindarnathanieldelaney: try it07:53
HrdwrBoBno big drama here, I'm still waiting on the third damn quote07:53
HrdwrBoBso we can get the stupid thing!07:53
bigbrother0074i have firefox 0.9.3.....07:53
Burgundaviacef_work: can you get paid for it?07:53
bigbrother0074should i just upgrade and see if that's the prob?07:53
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bigbrother0074can i upgrade to 1.0?07:53
HrdwrBoBBurgundavia: he would get paid regardless :)07:53
nathanieldelaneythat worked07:53
timothybigbrother0074: by default, I think it's "google $searchterm," but you can shorten if to g $search term; I hate that little bar because it's harder to type a longer phrase without losing track of whether you mistyped something :)07:53
cef_workBurgundavia: it's my job.. I'd be paid for it no matter what.. but it's still a matter of wether I have the time07:54
cef_workBurgundavia: though I'd prefer ubuntu simply because it's out and has security updates07:54
thoreauputicnathanieldelaney: that means /usr/games is not in your search path07:54
Burgundaviacef_work: then debatable07:54
bigbrother0074timothy:  i don't understand....what's default and how sould i change it?07:54
HrdwrBoBbigbrother0074: start synaptic07:54
HrdwrBoBand you can refresh your lists07:54
nathanieldelaneyis there any way I can add a program to the applications menu that doesnt appear there?07:55
HrdwrBoBand then choose to upgrade mozilla-firefox07:55
timothybigbrother0074: there are various hotlinks that are built in to Firefox (quick searches) but you can add your own or modify them.07:55
bigbrother0074timothy: i see07:55
cef_workBurgundavia: if sarge was out or at least had security updates, I would just leave it as is till Hoary07:55
timothybigbrother0074: you type into the regular URL bar, rather than the puny Google search bar to the right of the real URL bar.07:55
bigbrother0074timothy:  ah...i understand07:55
timothybigbrother0074: And you can have keywords set up to search various things ... hold a sec, I just saw a good tutorial.07:56
bigbrother0074timothy: i had that set up on xp last year actually...i was proud of my registry hack07:56
timothybigbrother0074: http://www.noscope.com/journal/2004/06/search07:58
timothyThat's not the one I was thinking of, but it looks helpful :)07:58
Burgundavianathanieldelaney: tuxracer ran no prob from the run command07:58
timothyThis is one of the few spots I think FireFox loses to Mozilla :)07:59
bigbrother0074HrdwrBoB: i looked at the synaptic, and mozilla-firefox is a green square, and it won't let me mark it for upgrade07:59
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: 0.9.3 is the latest for ubuntu07:59
HrdwrBoBbigbrother0074: sorry I was on crack07:59
HrdwrBoB0.9.3 is the latest07:59
HrdwrBoBit was rolled back07:59
Burgundaviathey have backported the security patches though07:59
bigbrother0074Burgundavia:  ahh...i was wondering about that07:59
BurgundaviaI belive that 1.0pr was unstable08:00
bigbrother0074so....suggestions?  don't use it?08:00
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jdubbigbrother0074: not atm08:01
bigbrother0074jdub:  eh?08:01
jdubdon't use firefox 1.0PR108:02
bigbrother0074jdub: yea, i got that08:02
bigbrother0074jdub:  but my problem is that when i type "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, the program either freezes, or completely shuts down08:03
bigbrother0074jdub: and i'm using 0.9.308:03
jdubprobably best to avoid typing "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, then ;)08:03
bigbrother0074but when i need help for "gnome" something...08:04
spikebgr and gn work fine fo rme08:04
bigbrother0074how does my computer get so retarded so quickly?08:05
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: make a bookmark for www.google.com/linux :)08:05
bigbrother0074thoreauputic: cool -- will do08:06
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: you get a nice penguin into the bargain that way ;)08:06
bigbrother0074thoreauputic: uh huh08:07
GmailMicrosoft Windows: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.08:07
Gmail> UrbanDictionary.com08:07
Gmailafter noon08:07
bigbrother0074good evening08:07
cef_workgood after evening08:08
cef_workwell that killed the conversation08:10
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spikebsure did08:12
spikebyou nasty person you08:12
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thoreauputicdoes this channel have a resident bot?08:12
cef_workspikeb: hey, wasn't me! blame Gmail, he mentioned Windows!08:12
cef_workthoreauputic: though a few people sure to act like them, right bob2? *grin*08:13
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bob2___cef_work: only when avoiding work ;-)08:13
thoreauputiccef_work: yeah, I'm actually a bot, but I don't like to advertise it08:14
cef_workthoreauputic: so you're worried that people will treat you differently if they know you're a bot? </eliza>08:15
thoreauputiccef_work: is it because you have trouble with your life that you say so you're worried that people will treat you differently ?08:16
bigbrother0074so, is there any way to view flash yet?  last i heard they didn't have one for 64-bit architecture or something like that08:16
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Burgundaviabigbrother0074: for some minimal functionality, you could recompile the free flash library08:17
cef_workthoreauputic: I used to run a BBS.. and we had this one girl who called (yes, a girl, calling a BBS, back in '92 at the time) who was so dumb she chatted to the AI Chat program for almost an hour before she realised it was a bot.08:17
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spikebi used to run a computer08:18
thoreauputiccef_work: I'll avoid questions about her hair colour... ;)08:18
bigbrother0074Burgundavia:  what's the effort/output ratio?08:18
cef_workthoreauputic: she was actually.. *grin*08:18
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: no idea, but I know that the free flash library doesn't support most of the features of flash08:18
thoreauputiccef_work: rofl08:18
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: as for the effort to compile on 64, no idea08:18
ultrafunkcef_work: dude, that could have described quite a few people :)08:19
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cef_workultrafunk: shush you.. mr cream guy!08:19
bigbrother0074berg: well, anything is better than nothing i guess...can you talk me through it or point me in the right direction?08:19
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Despairbigbrother0074: libflash-mozplugin08:19
spikebswfdec is better heh08:20
bigbrother0074Despair: what, apt-get install that?08:20
Despairspikeb: sure, but what's it's plugin for firefox?08:20
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bigbrother0074Despair:  so what do i do?08:22
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: you have just hit the depth of my information08:22
Burgundaviabigbrother0074: I run 32bit, so I cannot help you08:23
cef_workthoreauputic: admittedly, the AI Chat program was fantastic at emulating people with a big enough database.. random answers, variable typing speed, pauses, typographical errors that made sense looking at a keyboard, reversed keystrokes, and even going back and correcting them.. all settable threshholds08:23
bigbrother0074Burgundavia:  haha, thanks anyway08:23
Despairbigbrother0074: `sudo apt-get install swf-player`08:23
bigbrother0074Despair:  ok, thanks08:23
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thoreauputiccef_work: I tried the online eliza a few months ago and was quite amused/impressed08:24
RuffianSoldierhey all08:24
cef_workthoreauputic: unfortunately the author hasn't found the original source (in pascal) otherwise I'd have tried to munge it into irc.. could've been fun!08:24
thoreauputiccef_work: "she" was certainly better than the emacs shrink :)08:24
cef_workthoreauputic: hehe08:25
thoreauputiccef_work: although I like the way the emacs one tells you it will send you the bill when you sign off..08:25
Burgundaviacya all08:27
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HcEhey, Debian Sid upgraded p firefox 0.10.1+1.PR-4 today08:32
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x43i dont recall the setup asking me for a root password08:34
bob2x43: please read the faq08:34
HcEx43: correct, it is not set08:34
jasundI think the fact that root's password is not set is a great idea.  Anybody have problems with it?08:36
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bob2people who don't read the FAQ have lors of problems08:36
ZindarI think that will become default in more distributions soon08:36
tmartinhi all08:36
HcEI tend to only use sudo08:37
Zindarit should be included in a startup-page ... it's a very common question08:37
HcEsudo -s when I feel like being god08:37
bob2Zindar: the installer prints it out!08:37
tmartini just installed the essential build tools package for c/c++ development but it seems the libraries arent linked becuase im getting errors on cout when i already included iostream08:37
Zindarbob2: it does? it didn't in the preview I installed from08:37
bob2tmartin: you installed build-essential?08:38
HcEtmartin: "#include <iostream>" at top?08:38
HcEtmartin: and use cout as: "std::cout << "Hello world!" << std::endl;" ?08:38
bob2or add a "using namespace std;"08:39
bob2but this has been standard for years now, your code must be ooooooooold ;)08:39
bigbrother0074back to the swf-player...i tested it at playmcd.com (it's the first place i could think of that used flash) and now, the flash screen comes up but i still am "unable to connet to the server, check your internet connection"  anybody else experience the same problem?08:40
tmartini used the #include <iostream>08:40
tmartinand i tired std::cout08:40
bob2tmartin: paste your code to #flood08:40
bob2tmartin: or the error, even better08:40
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grubermangood morning ;)08:45
x43where is the file located with the apt-get sources ?  tried an apt-get instal and it could not find the package but the website says it exists08:46
stubWhere can I find console output from an application I launched through the GUI?08:46
skyriderstub: probably nowhere08:47
bob2x43: what file are you talking about?08:47
bob2stub: ~/.xsession-errors catches some of it08:47
x43apt-get nicotine08:47
tmartinhow do you change ur hostname?08:47
skyrideredit /etc/hostname08:47
bob2x43: that doesn't do anything08:47
bigbrother0074x43: i would think to make sure the website you are looking for is in your list.sources file...08:48
x43apt-get install nicotine doesn't either08:48
bob2x43: "apt-get install nicotine" downloads and installs the package08:48
bob2x43: "dpkg -L nicotine" shows what files the package contains08:48
x43thank you08:48
x43i dont seem to have a list.sources08:49
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bob2x43: /etc/apt/sources.list08:49
bigbrother0074right, my bad08:49
stubbob2: Ta. 'icky core dump confirmed :-(08:49
bob2stub: eek :(08:49
bigbrother0074i'm a newb..i don't know much08:49
HcEfirefox in safemode are firefox --safe-mode?08:49
HcEI screwed up a theme =(08:50
bob2it hase a safe mode?08:50
HcEI thought so?08:50
HcEor a option to disable all themes and extensionss08:50
HcEit got on Windows...08:51
bob2what do you use it for/08:51
HcEI now get: "Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser"08:51
tmartinis there a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal?08:52
skyridertmartin: no by default AFAIK08:52
skyriderbut you can set it yourself08:52
timothytmartin: if you're just looking for a command line, you could also switch to a VT08:52
tmartinsorry whats afaik?08:53
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tmartinvt = vterm?08:53
skyriderAs far as I know08:53
timothytmartin: as far as I know08:53
timothytimothy: Yes. control-Alt-F[1-6] , at least for me, and that's pretty standard08:53
timothyLike, control-alt-f1, for instance08:54
tmartinwhere can i set keyboard shortcuts for gnome?08:54
thoreauputicalt-F7 to return to the GUI08:54
timothythoreauputic: yes, thanks :)08:54
timothyHeh, I had forgotten to note that.08:54
lhbthats a good one to remember08:54
thoreauputictimothy: a common problem on first attempts :)08:54
thoreauputictimothy: where did my desktop go???08:55
bigbrother0074thoreauputic:  i didn't see your message about returning to the gui until after i just now had to figure that out for myself.....hahaha08:55
timothyIt's also a good primitive locking system :)08:55
skyridertmartin: I don't remember now (I'm not at home)08:55
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: well done you :)08:55
tmartinnp ill just tool around and see if i can find it08:55
skyridertmartin: it's somewhere in user preferences in gnome menu08:56
bigbrother0074thoreauputic:  well, i'd heard them before, i just couldn't remember if that was actually one of them08:56
timothyI wish (wish, wish) that every app did it the way the GIMP does; open a menu, highlight an option, and click the keys you want to assign to it.08:56
stevedeoAnyone know what package holds `dos2unix'?08:56
thoreauputicbigbrother0074: actually ctrl-alt-F7 works too - just isn't necessary from a tty08:57
crimsunstevedeo: sysutils08:57
Despairstevedeo: try fromdos/todos in sysutils08:57
bob2stevedeo: sysutiols08:58
x43how do i access my ntfs partitions on the same hd ?  i tried editing /etc/fstab the best i could.  /dev/hd1 and /dev/hd2 dont seem to exist ?08:59
crimsunhdX[12]  where X is a,b,c,...08:59
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bob2x43: are they on hda?08:59
bob2(your first ide hard disk)08:59
x43yes bob08:59
x43they are ntfs partitions09:00
x43my linux install is also on hda09:00
bob2mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt09:00
x43oh its been so long -- thank you09:00
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udoHello, the evoltuion junk mail filter isnt working for me ;-(09:11
udoi trained it and have both checkboxes in the options marked09:12
udobut no mails are filtered09:12
skyriderOn the page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate there are few words about "Package Selection Proposal process". Where can I read more about it? I'd like to suggest few packages for inclusion into main (and ship it on CD's) but don't know what is the best way to do it. :( Any ideas?09:12
Treenaksskyrider: like?09:12
bob2udo: did you install spamassassin?09:12
udodo i have to?09:13
tuxakkak3b setup expects root passwd (kdesu) and doesn't seems to understand this sudo thing?09:13
bob2udo: yes.09:13
skyriderTreenaks: 'Downloader for X'09:13
bob2tuxakka: yes, k3b has weird bugs09:13
Treenaksskyrider: you mean the download manager in firefox..09:13
skyriderI'll give your URL in few seconds09:15
udowhy didnt evolution tell me that!!09:15
bob2udo: it does09:15
udostupid evolution ( and stupid me )09:15
bob2Recommends: mozilla-psm (>= 2:1.7), gnome-pilot-conduits (>= 2.0.9), gnome-desktop-data, spamassassin09:15
udono it didnt!09:15
bob2it should probably give an error when you try to train it, tho09:15
skyriderTreenaks: it is great download manager written in GTK+ 2, easy to use yet very powerfull!09:15
skyriderURL of it: http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/09:16
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tuxakkaok bob2, what about cdrecord should one has this (hdc=ide-scsi) on default ubuntu is without that and -scanbus don't find the device?09:16
bob2skyrider: what does it do that firefox doesn't?09:16
bob2tuxakka: don't use ide-scsi at all09:16
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bob2tuxakka: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or whatever09:16
x43how do i edit /etc/fstab so that a ntfs mounted partition can be read by any user ?  not just by root ?09:16
tfheenhiya bob209:16
skyriderbob2: please read about it's features on official site (url above)09:17
bob2skyrider: I've used it myself09:17
tuxakkaok, thanks bob209:17
bob2tfheen: I ended up getting the p150, very happy with it09:17
tfheenbob2: nice to hear :)09:17
skyriderbob2: so??? it's just great. I know many people who use it every day09:18
tfheenI'm going to pick up my 512MB card today, will be nice.09:18
bob2skyrider: but what features does it have that "normal" users want, that firefox doesn't provide?09:19
x43i am trying to access a directory that only root can see from mount a ntfs directory as a user09:19
skyriderbob2: Good support to resume broken downloads09:19
bob2skyrider: if firefox's resumption doesn't work, please file a bug09:19
bob2tfheen: hah, wow09:19
bob2tfheen: still only like ~200 photos at the highest res or so, I guess09:24
skyriderbob2: that's a know firefox bug it's already in bugzilla for a long time.09:24
skyriderbob2: it seems it will not fixed soon09:24
tfheenbob2: yeah, around that.. still enough for a few days of going crazy.09:24
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thoreauputicskyrider: wget ;-)09:24
skyriderthoreauputic: :) Is Ubuntu oriented towards desktop users? Yes? Then d4x is just great for them, not wget.09:24
thoreauputicskyrider: I hope you noticed the ;-)09:24
skyriderd4x also support downloading in multiple streams (I know its evil but many users like it)09:24
Treenaksskyrider: it doesn't help transfer rates..09:24
skyriderthoreauputic: yes :)09:24
skyriderTreenaks: sometimes help09:24
Treenaksskyrider: no, it doesn't help..09:24
GOwinhow do i rename ethernet devices? eth0 is being detected in ubuntu as eth2.09:24
GOwini'm trying to configure firstarter but it insists that it cannot see eth2.09:24
skyriderAnd my favorite feature of d4x is support for recursive download from ftp AND HTTP09:24
skyriderTreenaks: if server admins limit transfer rate on per connection basis then using multiple connections you can greatly increase download speed09:25
Treenaksskyrider: does it obey robots.txt ?09:25
Treenaksskyrider: yes, but the server limits for a reason09:25
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skyriderTreenaks: I don't know about robots.txt (I'm not a developer of dx4 :))09:26
Treenaksskyrider: still, it'd be better to use bittorrent for large files :)09:27
skyriderTreenaks: Of course you will09:27
skyriderBut I am and many other people in third-world countries have very bad dialup connection (33600) so all those downloads are just pain in the ass. Bittorrent make thing only weorse.09:28
skyriderTreenaks: Please install d4x (it's in universe now AFAIK) and give it a try. I hope you'll like it.09:29
Treenaksskyrider: I know I won't like it, because I have wget09:30
skyriderTreenaks: "Unix syndrome" he-he ;)09:30
Treenaksskyrider: no, I just never left my terminal since DOS 2.1 ;)09:31
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skyriderTreenaks: I'm a "terminal addict" too.09:32
Treenaksskyrider: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=628209:32
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Treenaksskyrider: I don't trust GUI apps with my downloads... they crash too often :)09:32
skyriderBut I think that _many_ newbies will like d4x especially after all those windows downloaders like FleshGet, ReGet etc09:33
skyriderTreenaks: I didn't trust them too. But d4x works, just works. :)09:34
cef_workTreenaks: under KDe I don't mind kget09:34
cef_workTreenaks: and while i know that's kde, the princible is the same09:34
Treenakscef_work: I have the same feeling in KDE as in Windows: that it can fall away from under my mouse cursor any second09:34
skyridercef_work: In GNOME you don't have such feeling?09:34
Treenaksskyrider: no09:35
cef_workTreenaks: if it saves state regularly to disk, then it should be able to resume09:35
Treenaksskyrider: gnome feels solid09:35
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zverjpeople, i need to compile my ubuntu for SMP, where can I get kernel source? apt-get shows latest is 2.6.7, however binary is default one :/09:35
skyriderTreenaks: Great! d4x is the GNOME app (actually only GTK+). So it feels solid too. :)))09:35
cef_workzverj: there are smp binaries already pre-compiled, or should be.09:36
TreenaksI agree that the should be a "good" download manager, but not one that's so l33t that it can do multiple streams, etc,etc.09:36
Treenakssimple 'download this file', with pause/continue, and maybe a 'download tree' option.. that's it09:36
cef_workI don't like the moz download manager.. it's..  flaky09:36
skyridercef_work: me too :(09:37
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cef_workwhereas kget works well for me, but of course, ymmv09:37
zverjcef_work, thanks. hope it will work09:37
altanwell, here goes, I'll be back in a fresh install of Ubuntu in about an hour, hopefully09:37
cef_workbut then again, that's when I use kde, which is when I use debian usually09:38
skyriderEvery time I use moz/firefox downloader I hope my internet connection will not broke just now. If it brokes then it's very possible I'll need to download that file from the very beginning. :(09:39
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tmartinhi there09:39
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andersJust had some serious problems. On startup tmpfs would not mount, so lots of stuff like udev and networking did not work. Got a lot of error messages saying kernel not supporting foo and bar, so I figured something was wrong with linux-image or grub. So I booted with cd, chrooted removed and installed grub and linux-image. Debconf said /dev/fd didn't exist, so linux-image could not be configured. Damn, no kernel. I looked at /dev/fd, is a link to09:39
anderssomething on /proc, and proc was not mounted? Trying to mount proc, /proc is not a directory. rm proc, mkdir proc, mount /proc /proc -t proc, apt-get -f install linux-image- Things seems to work and me very happy. Anybody knows what happened to my proc?09:39
skyriderI want to have good, robust featured GUI downloader on my desktop independently from browser (but tightly integrated with it)09:40
tmartini have a windows partition that ubuntu seems not to recognize.  The grub booter doesnt list windows as an OS.  How to i enter windows in manually09:40
Treenakstmartin: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst09:40
Treenakstmartin: it has an example09:40
verden01hey does anyone know if the Ubuntu CD's have arrived in Australia yet?09:40
cef_workmust admit that kget is quite feature-ful, but not over the top. ie: you can import and export file lists, tell it how long between list saving, auto-disconnect and auto-shutdown when finished, queue and timer support, and speed/connection limiting.09:41
Treenaksverden01: /topic09:42
cef_workskyrider: I'll definitely have to look at d4x though.. cos it's one of the things I miss from kde09:42
skyriderkget depends on KDE. That's showstopper for me.09:42
skyridercef_work: thanks.09:42
x43i'm sorry but i've read the man pages for fstab and for adduser and related links but i cannot figure out how to get a user to gain permission to a root mounted filesystem09:43
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cef_workskyrider: well when running ubuntu, same for me09:43
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Treenaksx43: man mount -- look for umask09:43
Treenaksx43: and uid, and gid09:43
cef_workx43: and if you're mounting it as root cos you can't mount it as a user, look at pmount09:44
skyridercef_work: can you send me email with your opinion about d4x after that?09:44
cef_workskyrider: depends how much time i get. *grin*09:44
andersanybody knows what could have caused my problem? Kind of hard reporting a bug when I have no idea what happened09:45
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skyridercef_work: thanks anyway :)09:45
cef_workskyrider: so you wrote d4x? or is it just something you're interested in?09:45
skyridercef_work: No. I'm just interested in and I know many people who interested in it too.09:46
skyridercef_work: I use it about two years.09:47
cef_workskyrider: cool.. looking at the webpage now..09:47
tuxakkais it useful to add root to system?09:47
bob2anders: did you use a non-ubuntu kerenl to begin with?09:47
andersbob2: no, was ubuntu kernel I had apt-get installed09:48
Treenakstuxakka: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo09:49
cef_workskyrider: well just installed it on the dual opteron out of universe, so I'll have a look soon. *grin*09:49
skyriderCan I find logs of this channel somewhere in the net?09:53
andersbob2: same as I'm using now, the newest 686 version + restricted modules and nvidia, but someting happened to proc that seems to have gotten fixed by me doing "rm /proc, mkdir /proc" while booted and chrooted with the ubuntu-cd?09:53
bob2anders: /proc is empty until it's mountede09:53
bob2anders: and you can't delete files from it anyway09:54
bob2well, maybe you can, but it's not useful09:54
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andersbob2: yes, but I think it was something wrong with it, when I did "ls -l /" it had ---------- permissions, now that it works it has drwxr-xr-x permissions, thats after me removing it and mkdir-ing it09:57
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amin2guys, how to change the "copy" mode to "move" mode if you drag a file/folder to another partition?09:58
bob2anders: ah, hat could do it09:58
bob2anders: but that's very very weird09:58
andersbob2: hat?09:58
skyriderI have to leave irc now. cef_work, please mail me your opinion about d4x to alexey.molchanov | at | gmail dot com09:59
altanI tried to start the install, but it stops at 41% when it's scanning my partitions and loading the appropriate drivers for my drives, so I alt+f3'ed to the terminal that shows exactly what it's doing and it looks like it's screwing up over the fact that i don't have a floppy drive09:59
andersbob2: yes it's weird, could it be file system corruption?09:59
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bob2anders: yeah10:00
altani386 Install, 2 SATA disks (non-RAID), 2 disc drives10:00
andersbob2: I have ext3, never had any problems with it before..10:01
altananyone? help on installing ubuntu with no FDD?10:02
bob2chill dude10:02
bob2lots of people have done that successfully10:02
cef_workaltan: should work10:02
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KeybukUbuntu doesn't have boot floppies, so shouldn't make a difference10:02
Keybukcertainly none of my machines have (working)? floppy drives10:03
Keybuktwo laptops don't have one at all, desktop has a broken one10:03
altanit doesn't, I know, but it spazzes out while trying to load a floppy driver on my machine, which has no floppy drive10:03
cef_workmight think it can see a floppy, but the driver is not detecting it and dying for some reason10:03
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altani think i have floppy support disabled in the bios, maybe it doesn't recognize that option, perhaps i should enable it?10:04
cef_workaltan: well if you have no luck otherwise, give it a shot. it might be confusing the installer.. of course, you should be able to turn it back off afterwards10:04
altanhmm, okay10:04
amin2guys, how to change the "copy" mode to "move" mode if you drag a file/folder to another partition?10:05
Treenaksamin2: using shift or ctrl or alt I guess10:05
amin2ok, i'll try first...10:05
bob2or right-click -> copy10:05
Treenaksamin2: it'll change the mouse cursor ("+" is copy, "nothing" is move, "?" is ask)10:06
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amin2Treenaks: shift key is the one..10:09
andersI have a little sound problem with my soundblaster extigy, aumix shows pcm and pcm2 which I have set to 100%, alsamixer does not find any soundcard, and the sound is to low(sounds like 60%)10:09
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anders/etc/init.d/alsa start, says alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...10:10
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bob2do you need to use that in ubuntu?10:10
bob2do you have alsa drivers loaded?10:10
andersbob2: I don't need alsa, but I would like to try if I could get better sound volume with it. I thought the alsa init script loaded the drivers10:12
bob2anders: no, I meant the init script10:13
andersbob2: yes the init script will not load, giving error message not finding soundcard10:14
amin2I have an error during booting process: usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:14
amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:14
amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:14
amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:14
amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:14
amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19. Btw, i don't have usb410:14
bob2anders: ignore the init script10:14
bob2anders: are the alsa modules loaded?10:14
andersbob2: what's the name of them?10:15
bob2anders: snd_10:15
anderslsmod | grep snd10:15
anderssnd_usb_audio          70880  010:16
anderssnd_rawmidi            24704  1 snd_usb_audio10:16
anderssnd_seq_device          8040  1 snd_rawmidi10:16
anderssnd_pcm_oss            52968  010:16
anderssnd_mixer_oss          19456  1 snd_pcm_oss10:16
anderssnd_pcm                95140  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss10:16
anderssnd_page_alloc         11432  1 snd_pcm10:16
anderssnd_timer              24900  1 snd_pcm10:16
anderssnd                    55300  7 snd_usb_audio,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer10:16
anderssoundcore              10112  4 snd,audio10:16
andersusbcore               115684  5 snd_usb_audio,audio,uhci_hcd10:16
bob2erm, you don't need to show me10:17
bob2you have a usb audio device?10:17
andersbob2: yes it's an soundblaster extigy10:17
bob2does linux support that?10:18
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fabbioneyes it does10:18
TreenaksFerry: #ubuntu-nl is the Dutch-language support channel, if you like10:18
fabbionei am using it :)10:18
andersbob2: kind of, I have sound, but very low..10:19
fabbioneoh the usb one10:19
amin2Even during the boot I have an error on usb checking10:21
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amin2usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -1910:22
Treenaksamin2: no IRQ problems?10:23
amin2I don't have usb4, i only have 3 usb10:24
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Treenaksamin2: it's about the USB controllers...10:24
Treenaksamin2: there can be more controllers than ports10:24
amin2do you know to delete the "more controllers"10:25
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MeAndUI am having a problem with a Yukon Gigabit ethernet card, the device is listed in the device manager but is not coming up, i am using DHCP10:40
bob2MeAndU: does "dmesg | grep eth0" know about it?10:40
MeAndUbob2, Yes saying network connection up using port A10:40
bob2MeAndU: how about "dhclient eth0", does that get you an ip?10:41
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MeAndUbob2, sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 then kept dhcp discover until no DHCPOFFERS received10:44
bob2are yo usure your dhcp server is working?10:45
jonohi all10:45
jonowhen I try to use the GNOME music player, it says the ALSA device is being used by another program, how can I find out which program is using it?10:45
joemlsof /dev/snd/* might work10:46
PizbitProbably esd10:47
Dashivajono, what kind of card is it10:47
jonoDashiva, Delta 4410:47
jonoits only GNOME Music Player that does it10:48
Dashivatry opening synaptic10:48
schweebset alsa to use esd10:48
Dashivacrap that's in debian10:48
MeAndUbob2, NO IP sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 then kept dhcp discover until no DHCPOFFERS received10:48
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schweebsit0 is for ipv6, MeAndU10:49
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jonocheers, I will check into it a bit later10:51
joemjono, you can run gstreamer-properties and set the audio sink to esd, then all gstreamer apps will use esd10:52
grubermanjono: Is there a driver for that card in linux?10:52
jonogruberman, yeah, I am using it now10:53
jonojoem, cool, but will apps that still need alsa still work?10:53
grubermanjono: Ok, nice to have support for other cards then gaming cards10:53
jonogruberman, yeah, it seems pretty good support :)10:54
jonoI ordered doom III and I will need to have ESD emulation working when it arrives10:54
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Treenaksjono: ESD emulation??10:55
bob2MeAndU: are you sure you have a working dhcp server?10:55
jonoTreenaks, yeah, isnt that where ALSA can act as ESD?10:55
jonooh no, maybe it was OSS emulation hehe10:55
joemyea that is oss emulation10:56
x43where do you make those settings ?10:56
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x43alsa to oss emulation for mp3's how ?10:57
Treenaksx43: eh?10:57
x43i am trying to get the native media player to work10:57
Treenaksx43: "native media player"?10:57
x43"music player"10:57
x43i have alsa sound10:58
Treenaksx43: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats10:58
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grubermanif I download the java sdk from sun, is it ok to put it in /usr/local/jdk5?11:10
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grubermanthx. bob2 to the rescue again ;)11:11
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grubermanmaybe I should read abit about dirs in linux11:13
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altanthat was a really fast setup, I'm impressed11:16
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grubermanaltan: :)11:17
altanis there a way I can manually enter my monitor h/v scan rates from the GUI or will I have to use xf86config?11:17
Mithrandiraltan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, iirc11:17
grubermanyou can do that from the gui if im not mistaken11:17
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tmartingood morning :)11:19
tmartindoes anyone know how to make emacs color code certain statements in c/c++?  thx11:19
jameshgruberman: the GUI resolution switcher uses the RANDR protocol, so if your X server config is wrong (doesn't include some modes the monitor can do, or the frequecies are wrong), it won't help.11:19
jameshtmartin: M-x font-lock-mode ?11:20
altanisn't there a config file I can edit somewherE?11:20
altanI seem to remember doing it on Gentoo a few times, which directory is it in again?11:20
tmartinlemme try that jamesh11:20
Pizbitaltan: You'll have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-411:20
PizbitIt's fairly obvious where to edit.11:20
jameshaltan: the command Mithrandir gave should do what you want.11:20
PizbitPah, just edit the file, it's quicker and simpler:)11:21
altanyeah, that's what I want to do11:21
altanI just want to change one setting, I'm afraid I'll break it if I change the wrong part11:21
Pizbitaltan: Nah, open the file and you'll see11:22
grubermanjamesh: k, maybe you can answer this too :) at login I have 1280x768(my monitor can olny do 65hz in that res.) How do I change that to 1024x768?11:22
Dashivathere's a screen rez switcher under computer->system configuration in the menu11:22
jameshgruberman: the resolution control panel should let you change the setting for after login11:22
altanI hope the root password is in the FAQ, because the install didn't ask me for a root password11:22
Pizbitaltan: sudo11:22
jameshgruberman: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should let you change the default mode though.11:23
jamesh(which is used on the login screen)11:23
Treenaksaltan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo11:23
PizbitJust make 1024x768 the first resolution for the colour depth you're using in /etc/X11/XF86Config-411:23
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binary_10can someone help? im tring to install gdesklets.. but when i run ./configure i get an error that XML:Parser perl module is required. how can i install this?11:24
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grubermanthx jamesh11:25
DashZzZbecause it's gota  gui dammit11:25
TreenaksPizbit: because if you use dpkg-reconfigure, the file can be updated if you upgrade X11:25
DashZzZa curses based quasi gui11:25
TreenaksPizbit: otherwise you'll have to do that yourself11:25
PizbitDashZzZ: Reconfiguring the package involves knowledge of the rest of your setup that was autodetected doesn't it?:)11:26
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DashZzZi dunno11:26
jameshPizbit: the defaults during the reconfigure should be your current settings though.11:26
PizbitSo, re-configure a whole package or change 8 or so characters in a file, hrm!11:26
altanfor some reason, Firefox isn't connecting to any web site11:26
DashZzZdpkg-reconfigure still messes up some things, like if you need to load modules11:26
DashZzZor in my case where i have dual head11:27
DashZzZwhich bloody nvidia still hasn't made agui for :/11:27
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altanis there anything I have to do to "activate" Firefox?11:28
Pizbitdaniels: nvidia-settings something else eh?11:28
Treenaksaltan: firefox should just work..11:28
altannm, started to worjk11:28
DashZzZnah it won't help you setup dual head11:28
mctavishWhile you guys are on the subject, my videocard was originally misdetected (known bug according to bugzilla).11:28
DashZzZstill needs to be by hand11:28
Pizbiter, DashZzZ even heh11:28
mctavish... I've been using the vesa driver, but I have a radeon 9600xt. Should i run this package reconfiguration command?11:29
altanit's working, but it's inexplicably slow at loading11:29
altanwhere can I check my connection speed? I'm on dialup11:29
DashZzZunfortunately nvidia-settings doesn't do a whole lot,11:29
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DashZzZthough it will in the future i understand11:29
DashZzZmatrox powerdesk was it11:30
DashZzZand especially because it's -- <--- this difficult to parse a XF86Config file i can't see why not11:31
altanhmm, the scan rates listed online are the same as in the config file, yet I still don't get 100Hz for 1280x1024. Again, on Windows, I had to either load Philips's own drivers or uncheck "Show only refresh rates that my monitor can show" to get 100Hz11:32
binary_10does anyone know the package name of the xml parser?11:32
altanso how else can I force 100Hz?11:32
DashZzZit could be a graphics card driver11:32
altannah, it's not the driver11:32
DashZzZthen you'd probably have to bump the horizrefresh to something11:33
altanI used 3 different cards with this monitor, they all gave that until I loaded the Philips monitor driver11:33
tmartinhow do i put M-x font-lock-mode in a .emacs file11:33
tmartinwhats teh setq command11:33
altansee, there's got to be a way to calculate that11:33
altanjust need to know how11:33
DashZzZi know there's a calculation method11:33
tmartinlisp doesnt like "setq(font-lock-mode 0)"11:33
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DashZzZthere's a python rhythmbox to xchat script11:35
DashZzZand it works11:35
Pizbit*g* /exec -o dcop amarok player nowPlaying11:36
DashZzZlooks more complicated than that11:37
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DashZzZpipes it through gnome-python or something11:37
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altanwhat's the parameter to have a terminal program run in the background, like wvdial?11:44
sparkesaltan, & at the end11:44
altando I upgrade my stuff with Synaptic?11:46
stvnaltan: press the reload button11:46
stvnaltan: than, mark upgrades and apply11:47
phillin irssi, how do i switch to conversations > 1011:47
Pizbitphill: Does ctrl+pgup/pgdown work? Just a guess heh11:47
altandoes hitting Smart Upgrade select everything I need or more than I need? lots of packages here11:47
stvnphill: /window #11:47
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stvnaltan: smart upgrade upgrades everything you have and the packages you need with that upgrade, nothing more, nothing less11:48
Zindaraltan: use normal update11:48
stvnZindar: smart-update is better11:48
Zindarstvn: not unless you are changing between distributions/releases11:49
phillstvn thanks11:49
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altanack, closed Xchat by accident11:49
stvnZindar: true, although sometimes there are update that require a smart-upgrade within a release, but I guess that won't happen in ubuntu anyway11:50
smoany pointers to installing java? (for the mozilla plugin)11:50
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stvnsmo: checked the wiki?11:50
Zindarstvn: shouldn't now since warty is stable... will happen on hoary  :)11:50
stvnsmo: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats11:51
smoheh, I hadn't actually .. I'd seen a link bouncing around that was off-site, but couldn't recall it .. I'll start with the wiki tho11:51
stvnZindar: indeed11:51
smostvn: Thanks11:51
stvnZindar: but if someone has a RC install, it's wiser to use smart-upgrade, and since there were apprently a lot of packages that wanted to be upgraded I guess it was an RC11:51
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altanhmm, in Synaptic it says I have Firefox 1PR, but Firefox itself says 0.9.3 in "About Firefox"11:53
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Zindaraltan: check the full version number in synaptic11:54
stvnaltan: check the version, it's something complicated here: 0.99+1.0PR+revertedto0.9.311:54
Zindarit should say 0.99+1.0PR1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu311:54
Zindarohh.. that's a version number :)11:54
stvnaltan: I guess it means that you have 09.3 with quite some features from .99 and 111:54
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maltewhy didn't ubuntu include 1.0pr instead?11:56
bob2too buggy11:56
stvnit was found to buggy11:56
Pizbitmalte: *some* found it too buggy:)11:56
maltei think it works like a charm :)11:56
PizbitMe too11:56
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PizbitRC1 is much improved though11:57
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Mithrandirwe'll have 1.0 for Hoary, then, I guess. :)11:57
TreenaksMithrandir: or an even newer version, maybe11:58
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maltei think ubuntu should've been based on sid instead of sarge11:59
MithrandirTreenaks: possibly, yes.11:59
Mithrandirmalte: it is.11:59
malteoh? i thought it was based on sarge11:59
maltebob2 said it was11:59
malteiirc :)11:59
bob2it was based on sid11:59
Mithrandirwarty's based on a late june sid snapshot with updates and fixes pulled in.11:59
malteoh well12:00
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aLi`I get one "Fatal Error" on booting up having to do with "inserting hw_random..."12:01
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TreenaksaLi`: it looks worse than it is12:01
aLi`i dont want it :)12:02
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ondrejI just upgraded one of our woody+backports to ubuntu and I encountered error when installing linux-686 image.  It bails off on mkinitrd: RAID support requires raidtools2.  But I have raidtools2 installed.12:05
ondrejand I have raidtools2 installed12:08
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mjrhm, ifplugd really wants to be in main12:13
Treenaksmjr: it needs fixing before that12:16
Treenaksmjr: (i.e. cooperation with hotplug/udev)12:16
Treenaksmjr: it brings up interfaces etc, once it detects them.. that includes just after hotplug loads the module and brings up the interface12:18
Treenaksmjr: also, it brings down an interface when you unplug the cable -- breaking all open TCP connections, which is Evil and Wrong(tm)12:18
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jonowhere is the script that will create /dev/video* devices? as in, a MAKEDEV script or something for V4L devices12:21
Treenaksjono: just load the drivers12:22
Treenaksjono: udev will create the devices for you12:22
jonois devfs not used any more?12:22
Treenaksno, udev replaces devfs12:22
jonoI thought it was deprecated12:22
jonohas the transition been made now in the kernel?12:22
Treenakswell, you can use devfs, but that's discouraged and ubuntu uses udev12:23
jonobut does a stock kernel from kernel.org use udev by default?12:23
Treenaksudev is a userspace thing12:23
jonohow much take up of udev is there?12:23
Treenaksyou need to install it separately.. 2.6 kernels support it (it works with sysfs)12:24
jonooutside of ubuntu, I mean12:24
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Treenaksmost distributions have it, or will use it in the next version12:24
JoakimZieglerjono: FC3 will use it, Novell will use it...12:24
jonoright, so I can discourage devfs in my writing12:24
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Treenaksjono: pretty much, yes12:24
jonothanks Treenaks :)12:25
Treenaksjono: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php12:25
jonoTreenaks, thanks12:25
Treenaksjono: it explains udev basics as well12:25
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Kamionjono: note, FWIW, that the installer still uses devfs.12:31
jonoKamion, oh really? thats interesting, why is that?12:31
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Kamionjono: historical12:32
Kamionjono: that part of the installer was written before devfs was deprecated, and it's a fairly big upheaval to shift12:33
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jonoKamion, what would I need to do to persuade you guys to include Blender as a program in main?12:35
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grubermanOr cakewalk sonar 4? :)12:36
jdubjono: why do you need it in main?12:36
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MeAndUbob2, I still have the same problem with my eth0, dhclient etho kept DHCPDISCOVER then no DHCPOFFERS received. What could be the problme12:37
vrlnMeAndU: your internet connection is propably having trouble... I get those errors sometimes when my isp isn't working12:39
jonojdub, I was just curious which apps go into main and what the criteria is - universe is only synced with unstable occassionally isnt it?12:39
MeAndUvrln, I have another ubuntu pc in same network working well12:39
jdubjono: the upstream version freeze applies to the entire distribution at the same time12:39
MeAndUvrln, in fact its the one i am chatting with12:40
jdubjono: throughout the non-frozen months of hoary, it'll be synced daily. then case-by-case sync requests for bugfixes after that.12:40
vrlnhm, then I have no idea :/12:40
jdubjono: so there's no update regularity benefit12:40
jdubjono: none of us have the expertise required to *support* blender12:40
jdubjono: but people who do could make it nice in universe12:41
jonojdub, right - so is the syncing occuring at the moment now warty is out?12:41
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JoakimZieglerjdub: Hey, what's up?12:41
jdubjono: yes, look at the hoary Packages.gz12:41
jduboh, hi JoakimZiegler12:41
PizbitHrm, have any emails arrived on the ubuntu-users list in the past few minutes from pizbit@gmail? It seems to be hanging on sending currently:(12:41
jonojdub, ok cool, thanks for explaining this to me :)12:41
JoakimZieglerjdub: I was wondering what an aging web- and Python-hacker could do to possibly help Ubuntu.12:42
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jdubJoakimZiegler: it's very open-ended atm :-)12:42
JoakimZieglerjdub: Just liking the project a lot, figured there might be something to do.12:44
MeAndUvrln, You could be right, i will check the cable and switch12:46
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ubiqhy guys12:59
ubiqi hav a dual boot system, and yesterday my xp crashed to systematically booting into blue screen:) i reinstalled, but it replaced my mbr. how can i restore the grub to  the mbr?01:00
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kensaimy network was automagically detected now I don't know how to use a printer that is in the other computer of my network01:03
blackb0xu could boot via cd and obtain a shell to restore it01:04
ubiqi figured that out, yet i don't know the way to restoer the grub through a shell01:04
blackb0xtry- info grub-install01:05
ubiqblackbox, ok, thanks:)01:06
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jesperHi, Any Danes around?01:26
gruberman<- swedish ;)01:27
blackb0x-- industri@L ScRiPt -- by -- industri@L cReW --01:27
danielsgood god that was ugly01:28
jespergruberman, close..01:29
jespergruberman, how is the Swedish support in Ubuntu at the moment?01:30
grubermanjesper: really good01:31
jespergruberman: OpenOffice too? firefox?01:31
stvnjesper: I think the danish support in ubuntu will be more or less similar as it in debian01:31
grubermanjesper: yep. haven't done much in OO though01:32
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jesperstvn, it looked quite good, but it didn't seem to install OOo in Danish..01:32
jesperstvn, my Debian does..01:33
stvnjesper: yeah, both ff and OO.o have a different system of internationalisation and is not yet supported01:33
stvnjesper: so you need to chose the language yourself01:33
jesperstvn, Ok.. it's not my own box, I installed Ubuntu for one at an installparty the day before yesterday...01:34
jesperstvn, my own box will come one of the following days.. I think :-)01:35
stvnjesper: just search for -da in synaptic and you get the correct language packages01:35
jesperstvn, Ok..01:35
grubermanlol, firefox is in english. didn't notice01:36
jesperstvn: Is there a thing like http://packages.debian.org/ for ubuntu?01:36
stvnjesper: don't know really01:36
stvnhm there's no firefox-da in ubuntu01:36
jesperstvn: I can see that it's not in Debian(testing) either.. .well thanks.01:38
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stvnjesper: you can search in apt-get.org for a deb with firefox-da, but it'll prolly conflict with ubuntu's version of ff though01:39
grubermanJesper: I found a swedish language pack on the swedish mozilla site. Is there a danish mozilla site?01:42
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jespergruberman: i just found one on google..01:44
grubermanjesper: here's the link if you wnat to install it http://www.greyparrots.tuknet.dk/firefox/pack.html01:44
jespergruberman: I think I'm blind,... i cannot see whom to contact..01:45
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jespergruberman, We really need to get it into the Mozilla-repo, so it'll be available to all distributions.01:46
jespergruberman, We is probably equal to Danes in this sentence :-)01:46
BugSi want to install ubuntu at home, but i dont have an internet connection... where can i get some packages (like xmms-mp3, mplayer etc) so i can install them at home?01:46
grubermanwell, it's quite easy to do manually. just press the link and - hey presto01:46
BugSis there some official repository for non-free packages?01:47
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jespergruberman, yea but communicating that to anyone using a Linux distribution in Danish is quite a lot harder.01:48
TreenaksBugS: just like the ones you already have in sources.list, just add the word 'multiverse' everywhere you see 'universe'01:48
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grubermanjesper: :/01:48
stvnjesper: hoary is supposed to have support for locales for OO.o en ff01:49
grubermanI must really stop abusing smilies01:49
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jesperstvn: Ok..01:50
jesperThanks.. both of you.01:51
BugSTreenaks: can you give me the addresses so i can download the packages before i start the installation01:52
TreenaksBugS: you don't need that, you can use apt01:53
TreenaksBugS: and you can see the URLs in sources.list01:53
BugSTreenaks: i dont have ubuntu installed yet, so i cant see the sources. and i cant use apt cause like i said, i dont have internet at home01:54
delireok i've read a trillion fantastic reviews on ubuntu and have one more question before i install it on he laptop in front of me. i'm a game developer, having developed on debian unstable system for several years. what's the likelihood i'll find important and even obscure libraries and documentation missing from the ubuntu package repositories?01:54
stvndelire: a bit bigger than with debian01:54
delirestvn: are you sure? why?01:54
delirewhat about with multiverse?01:55
TreenaksBugS: archive.ubuntu.com01:55
stvndelire: ah, sorry misunderstood it, it's a bit smaller01:55
delireso you're saying there ar more of less development packages and docs in ubuntu?01:56
stvndelire: debian will have slightly more than ubuntu I think, but if you know what you're doing you can install debian's debs01:56
delireisn't that just a case of dpkg -i01:56
stvndelire: standard stuff the same, obscure stuff less in ubuntu01:56
Treenaksdelire: not more or less, there are.01:56
Treenaksdelire: apt-get install01:56
delireTreenaks: but i'm told that it's unwise to add debian package repo's to ubuntu sources.list01:57
Treenaksdelire: it is01:57
Treenaksdelire: that doesn't mean the brave (or foolish..) won't try01:57
stvndelire: it's unwise, not impossible, so when you know what you're doing it's possible01:58
delireyou're both talking about dependency conflicts aren't you01:58
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delirethis said, all the *existing* Ubuntu devel packages have documentation? or is this sacrificed in the interests of a desktop specific distro.02:01
altanhi, I tried to follow http://www.linuxforum.com/tutcomments/1/66.php to mount my NTFS drive, but it's not working02:01
Treenaksdelire: they have all the docs.. just like debian02:02
delirecool cool02:02
altansays  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, or too many mounted file systems (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?)02:02
dkamYou're trying to mount nfs from a actual disk?02:03
altanfrom an actual disk, yes02:03
dkammy bad. I read nfs02:03
delireas a favour could someone impress me with the versions of 'blender' and 'pd'? 'apt-cache show blender'02:03
dkamaltan, does "mount" report /dev/sda2 as already mounted?02:04
stvnaltan: tried /dev/sda5 instead of /dev/sda2 if it's an extended partition it could very well be /sda502:04
delirealtan: and /etc/fstab has the correct entry?02:04
stvndelire: Filename: pool/universe/b/blender/blender_2.33a-1_i386.deb02:05
delirestvn: good thanks.. and 'pd'?02:05
stvndelire: as a side note, what kind of gamedev do you do?02:06
delirestvn: ok and 'python2.3-opengl'?02:06
stvnFilename: pool/main/p/pyopengl/python2.3-opengl_2.0.0.44-4ubuntu2_i386.deb02:06
tsengdelire: you could go look at the mirro yourself..02:06
deliretseng: excellent. that is very good02:06
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stvntseng: do you know if there's a equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu?02:07
altanAHAHA, I'm such a moron02:07
delirestvn: i teach game development and work contractually for research labs exploring future directions in game technology, particularly augmented reality games and sound based games02:07
tsengstvn: not that im aware of, no02:07
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altanI saw W95 LBA and assumed it was my NTFS thing and didn't bother to read the rest02:07
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stvndelire: where?02:07
deliretseng: again, excellent02:07
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altanand I put /dev/sda2 instead of sdb102:07
delirestvn: i travel almost continuously, but teach in denmark, spain, germany, sweden02:08
BeTasalut, hi ;c)02:08
stvnhm interesting02:08
BeTaI get some random system crashes02:08
delirestvn: for the last two months i have been based in spain02:08
BeTait seems to be at the kernel size (cause the box doesn't respond anymore to icmp requests for example)02:09
GotD0t-sleephaha... guess what the word of the day is on dictionary.com02:09
stvndelire: you got a website with examples?02:09
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delirestvn: my 'very experimental' game development site can be found at http://selectparks.net02:09
BeTaI've heard about X crashes on PPC archs, do you have any thing about that (my box is a PowerBook G4 w/ the last Radeon video card)02:09
cefin the meantime, this might help people till something like packages.debian.org comes along for ubuntu: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu02:09
delirestvn: and a project i am working on now is http://fijuu.com <-- a sound based game02:10
jdb1968hi all, i'd really like to install ubuntu but it seems that the install CD requires 2.88 emulation in BIOS, which mine doesn't have02:10
jdb1968can i boot from floppy and do a network install?02:12
stvndelire: interesting, although i'm not into sound myself02:13
stvnjdb1968: there's no floppy install for ubuntu02:13
delirestvn: the latter project is very experimental really. only a few months old.02:14
jdb1968that sux02:14
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delireone other thing. is there spanish language and keymapping support in ubuntu warty by default?02:15
stvnjdb1968: if you really need floppies you can use the debian ones and upgrade to ubuntu02:16
altanI'm getting an error message that my PnP BIOS option might screw things up when I boot ubuntu, is that something I should worry about? I enabled and disabled PnP in the BIOS, but it still gives me the message02:16
stvndelire: just like debian02:16
KamionBeTa: no problems on my 15" PowerBook G402:16
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jdb1968well, i already am running MEPIS... just that my buddy tells me that ubuntu is the best distro he's used to date and i'm envious02:16
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delirestvn: cool, my girlfriend is happy about that ;)02:17
Kamionwe'll be supporting floppy installs for the next release; we just didn't have time to test them properly for this one02:17
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stvnjdb1968: there's a page on the wiki how to install ubuntu from knoppix, so if knoppix works for you, you could try that as installer02:18
jdb1968Kamion: cool02:18
jdb1968stvn: Knoppix doesn't work either :-(02:18
jdb1968I obviously need new h/w, but can't afford it right now02:19
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jdb1968thx stvn, thx Kamion02:19
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stvnjdb1968: if you want it now, you can use debian floppy install and migrate to ubuntu, there's a page howto move from woody to ubuntu02:19
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jdububuntu on slashdot again!02:20
Treenaksjdub: more press = good, right?02:21
delirejesus jdub.. you too i remember from #debian ;)02:21
jdubTreenaks: not always the case with slashdot, but yeah ;)02:21
altanwhy does About Firefox give 9.3 but Synaptic and Check For Updates (in Firefox) give 1PR?02:22
jdubaltan: because it was forcefully downgraded02:22
jdubaltan: see the full package version ;)02:22
altanI don't get it?02:22
altanI'm not quite sure what you mean02:22
netventurer1.0PR has a lot of bugs and security issues02:23
jdubaltan: we were shipping 1.0PR1, but had to downgrade02:23
netventurerthough 1.0PR was available for sometime, it was replaced with 9.3+Ubuntu patches02:23
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jdubso the package version is 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 ;)02:23
GotD0twhich is quite ironic because most people switched to firefox from IE when the PR1 was released02:23
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GotD0tthere will be lots of suits walking around campus today02:25
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netventurer1.0RC may come out soon...02:25
BugScorrect me if im wrong: all the packages in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main are already on the installation CD ?02:25
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jdubBugS: nup02:26
jdubBugS: only the DesktopSeed and ShipSeed (see the wiki) and dependencies02:26
netventurerwill 1.0 final (0.11) be available in any of the repositories, when it is released?02:27
Treenaksnetventurer: hoary, probably02:27
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jdubnetventurer: in the next release02:29
BugSok, here is my final question: i want to install ubuntu at home, where unfortunately i dont have internet access. where can i download some missing packages which would probababy be needed for normal @home usage of my PC (mp3 player, divx player etc) ?02:29
jdubnetventurer: which is due for preview in march and final in april02:29
BugSi want to make sure that i will not crush into some dependancies problems etc02:30
jdubBugS: hrm, hard problem02:30
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jdubBugS: do you have an ubuntu machine online anywhere?02:31
BugSno  :-(02:31
BugSonly debian02:31
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altanhow do I chmod all files in a directory as 700?02:34
altanincluding subdirs02:34
jdubchmod -R02:34
darkersatanicUSe the -R option02:34
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boardomIs there by any chance a ubuntu ppc specific channel?02:44
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delireis Ubuntu any more 'pythonised' than other distro's due to their being a python developer is on the team? i mean python extensions to gnome, configuration utilities etc02:44
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jdubdelire: not for warty, but we will be persuing that aggressively over the next few releases02:45
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thisfredjdub: thanks this was one of my questions too, after hearings Mark Shuttleworths's keynote at europython02:45
jdubthisfred: good keynote?02:46
jduboh, that was a while back, wasn't it?02:46
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jdubhe's doing something in frankfurt nowish02:46
delireas a python junkie i would love to see deep python integration in a distro. i think many many others would too..02:46
thisfredjdub: excellent, he's a very charismatic guy, and the pictures from outer space helped ;)02:47
jdubdelire: it'll be the force that binds us :)02:47
delirejdub: beautifully put02:47
thisfredyeah it was in june, but I downloaded Ubuntu since, and was kind of looking for the python stuff, in addition to all the other great features it has ;)02:48
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thisfredI'm hooked anyway, so I can wait a while for those02:49
jdubthisfred: the desktop install comes with a bunch of great python modules by default02:49
jdubthisfred: so you ought to be able to run good python stuff out of the box02:49
thisfredoh ok, I'll look into it some more.02:49
delirejdub: it does?02:49
jdubthisfred: but we're going to go much further than that ;)02:49
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jdubdelire: dpkg -l python*02:49
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drunken-wallabyhi all...02:50
delirejdub: i have 5 debian machines but my girlfriend and i are looking to installing ubuntu onto our new lappies02:50
delirejdub: the clinchers were the 'stable unstable' packages, the ipw2200 support and sensible user:group stuff.02:51
MeAndUI wont arabic windows encoding for evolution what package do i need02:52
Dekkardi cannot get gcombust to recognize either cdrom...02:53
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delireMeAndU: hmm 'apt-cache search arabic encoding'02:54
Dekkardim wondering.. and i may be wrong.. but didnt the 2.6 kernels get rid of  the ide=scsi rule?02:54
deliregood Q02:55
thisfredDekkard: I saw this on the channel repeatedly, and apparently at least ubuntu had02:55
Dekkardi just feel really awkward after two years of slackware...02:55
Dekkardim trying to get it to recognize my cannon powershot.. but i think the module for hotplugging isnt loading.. i get an error message at boot02:56
thisfredDekkard: but, also apparently from lurking here, cdrom/burner support is not 100% perfect yet02:56
Dekkardand i havent been able to burn any cds.. other than that..im fairly ok...02:56
Dekkardthisfred yeah.. i realize that warty isnt fully mature yet02:57
thisfredfor me, burning cds works with nautilus burn:///, but not with any other software02:57
drunken-wallabyDekkard: which application did you use for burning your cds?02:57
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pyrxwhat is the minimum hardware requiered for ubuntu?02:57
Dekkardive tried gcombust.. but i cant get it to recognize drives.. so i tried eroaster..02:57
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drunken-wallabyk3b for example is broken if you try to burn cds as user, you have to start it as root, then it works fine though02:57
jdubpyrx: you should have 256MB RAM or preferably more for the whole desktop02:58
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jdubpyrx: and 1.3GB on-disk02:58
Dekkardyeah.. k3b is great, but im trying to stay away from all things kde02:58
zenwhenDekkard, good move.02:58
pyrxjdub: ohh ok :(02:58
zenwhenSoon libburn will be ready for primetime and there will be NO reason for k3b.02:58
drunken-wallabyhopefully :)02:59
Dekkardi cna always boot into windows... and use nero..02:59
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zenwhenBecause KDE, Tolltech, and KDE as a whole are a joke.02:59
drunken-wallabyyeah, nautilus does the job, except for deleting cd-rw, i just can't figure out how the hell this works :)02:59
zenwhenI said KDE twice. XD02:59
LinuxJoneszenwhen, so what app will be the replacement for k3b ?02:59
Dekkardi had kde on mdk, rh, fc1 nad slack and used it for a total of maybe a day..03:00
zenwhenThe only thing needed really is audio cd burning and video dvd burning.03:00
thisfredonly thing I can't figure out is how to directly copy an audio cd with nautilus03:00
zenwhenNuatilus does everything else.03:00
drunken-wallabytreenaks: yep03:00
bipolaris there a way to make newly installed apps visable in the Applications menu automaticly?03:00
Dekkardso i guess to do an audio cd i should use the wave output pluggin on xmms.. than burn the cd  using nautilus... kludgey....03:00
delirehehe for burning i use 'cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/scd0 speed=4 -data data.iso'03:00
delireit's always been the most reliable03:01
Dekkardhmm.. prollem is cdrecord aint recognizing my ide burner03:01
zenwhenI currently use k3b, but I know a guy who is waiting for libburn to become useable to release a gnome based nero clone.03:01
delire.. and alias it in my .bashrc so that i can 'burn data.iso'03:01
delireDekkard: and you have permissions?03:01
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timothy_GnomeToaster used to be my favorite GUI app for burning CDs (cd record, once you know a working command line for it, is even simpler though). However, I have a Mepis (KDE centric) system going at the moment and I gave K3B a try when I burned my Gnoppix/Ubuntu CD, and K3B has gotten very nice, IMO.03:02
zenwhenThen I am removing everything KDE or QT based from my system03:02
Dekkarddelire: to cdrecord?03:02
delireDekkard: to r/w to the burner03:02
grubermanthere's no export in ubuntu?03:02
Dekkarddelire ive tried starting it with gksudo gcombust.. an all, does that count?03:03
delireDekkard: sometimes burnerware says it can't find the device because it can't write to it (not read from it).03:03
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delireDekkard: better asking one of the others.. i haven't even isntalled ubuntu yet03:04
tom-catWell, everything works fine ! Thank Ubuntu Team ! :-D03:05
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delireDekkard: should be fine.. what device is it.. /dev/***?03:05
delireDekkard: if /dev/scd* is ide-scsi loaded?03:07
Dekkardi believe..03:07
Dekkard hang on03:07
Dekkardproperties show it as unmounted in /media/ but i believe it should be /dev/hdd03:08
delireDekkard: /etc/fstab has a listing?03:08
drunken-wallabyanyone knows a suitable tex editor (please not emacs/vim) for gnome?03:09
jdubi think it has tex highlighting03:09
TreenaksTeX editor?03:09
deliredrunken-wallaby: jedit is excellent03:09
delirethough yes, i use vim ;)03:10
Dekkard /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       003:10
delireDekkard: and you can 'mount /media/cdrom1'?03:10
drunken-wallabyyep, it has, but i really write a lot of things in tex and i'm so used to kile where i can compile and preview my documents within the editor. i don't want to install the kde libs though...03:10
drunken-wallabyjedit? i'll look into this, thanks delire03:10
Treenaksdrunken-wallaby: vim or emacs :)03:10
deliredrunken-wallaby: jedit.sf.net is java03:11
Dekkard interesting03:11
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zenwhenjava is easy to learn and awful for the end user.03:11
delireDekkard: well there's your issue03:11
delirezenwhen: hehe precis03:12
DekkardjIRCii 10.16.04 Linux : I was raised on the dairy. BITCH!03:12
Dekkardnuffin wrong with a little java in the morning..03:12
zenwhenLOOK! I CAN WRTIE PROGRAMS! Why wont anyone USE my programs? ;-;03:12
zenwhen-every java dev03:12
delirehehe, and by lunch you're put off eating altogether03:12
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Kyaneosdoes Ubuntu upgrade the kernel package??03:13
thisfreddrunken-wallaby: re text editors: I use j (not jedit), a very lightweight but powerful and easy to use editor, with plugins for lots of programming languages03:13
Kyaneoswith an apt-get dist-upgrade????03:13
Dekkard wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,03:13
Dekkard       or too many mounted file systems03:13
jdubKyaneos: if it is a compatible upgrade, yes03:13
Dekkardbut we are getting somewhere03:13
jdubKyaneos: if the kernel package has a different name, no03:14
Kyaneosjdub: thx03:14
delireDekkard: so it's not an ide-sci then..03:14
drunken-wallabythisfred: is j included in the reps?03:14
Kyaneosjdub: has ubuntu an inesbale version???03:14
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Kyaneoslike debian unstable03:15
delireDekkard: try 'mkdir ~/test && mount /dev/hdd ~/test'03:15
Dekkarddelire im not sure..  i have to try to figure this non standard mounting thing here.. its wierd03:15
jdubKyaneos: inesbale?03:15
thisfreddrunken-wallaby: no, I downloaded it, but it's java (sry zenwhen) so no need to compile or anything03:15
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drunken-wallabythisfred: thanks, i'll have a look...03:15
jdubKyaneos: not quite like debian's03:15
jdubKyaneos: when we finish a stable release, we open our development branch03:15
Dekkardya know03:15
Dekkardi think im doing this all wrong..03:16
jdubKyaneos: our next release is called 'hoary hedgehog', so the current development branch is called 'hoary'03:16
Kyaneosjdub: and can i download the development packages??03:16
jdubKyaneos: it's not ready for use yet03:16
Dekkardif i put a blank disk into the burner.. it prompts me with the burn cd/dvd box..03:16
Dekkardso thats kewl03:16
jdubyou can, but i would strongly urge you to wait until we announce that it's ready for dogfooding03:16
Dekkardi just need to do a little prep before i burn a music cd..03:16
Kyaneosthank you very much03:16
Kyaneosand sorry for my English03:17
jdubthat's okay :)03:17
jdubwhat's your native language?03:17
delirejdub: what is the version difference (in debian terms) between warty and hoary?03:17
jdubdelire: hoary is resynced to sid now, and will freeze in a few months03:17
Kyaneosjdub: i am Spanish03:17
delirejdub: and warty?03:17
delireKyaneos: hola! como estas?03:18
jdubKyaneos: you know there's an #ubuntu-es channel, and ubuntu-es list? :)03:18
Kyaneoshola delire03:18
Kyaneosi know03:18
jdubdelire: warty is our stable release, kinda like debian's woody, but it was frozen from sid in late june03:18
jdubKyaneos: cool03:18
jdubKyaneos: we will all be in barcelona in december :)03:19
delirejdub: so if i want recent packages what would you suggest? i mean like python2.403:19
jdubdelire: warty03:19
jdubthough it only has python2.3 in it03:19
jdubhoary is still syncing, not ready for use, but it'll be ready for dogfooding soon03:19
delirejdub: and for bleeding edge? can i grab them from hoary package repositories and use something like pinning?03:19
jdubdelire: not yet, and even then, i'd recommend either using hoary or warty03:20
maltejdub, will hoary be available for amd64 as well?03:20
jdubppc32, i386 and amd6403:20
delirejdub: so there is no hoary release yet.. i could only see the warty iso03:20
jdubdelire: no, hoary is the just-starting development branch03:20
delirejdub: right.. and if i do really need a bleeding edge package i should just grab it from unstable branch of packages.debian.org no?03:21
Dekkardsee, i dut dont know if i get this.. /media is a non standard directory of the root tree.. if ya still need to do manual cli stuff to mount an all what is the point?03:21
delirejdub: instead of manipulating my sources.list to include a deb repository03:21
jdubdelire: we don't recommend mixing debian and ubuntu respositories03:21
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jdubdelire: /media is a *standard* directory :)03:22
jdubDekkard: ^^03:22
Dekkardit wasnt on my slack 10 box..03:22
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altan_how do I use "setuid" ?03:22
jdubDekkard: slackware is not 'the standard' :)03:22
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delirejdub: so if i really do need a bleeding edge package, can i find it in a hoary repository? sorry i am totally new to ubuntu03:22
Dekkardis there a /media dir in debian?03:22
altan_I need to setuid root for pppd03:23
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jdubDekkard: i believe there is for sarge03:23
delireDekkard: no, it's just a dir though.. surely it's just a parent mount point dir03:23
wm_eddiewhenever I press reload I get errors on the main and restricted repositories.03:23
delirejdub: no /media on this sarge03:23
jdubdelire: well, you can rebuild anything you want, but i'd suggest you either choose between using stable warty or testing hoary03:23
Dekkardso is it a link to /mnt or to /dev?03:23
jdubdelire: depends when you installed it, i believe03:23
stvndelire: it is on fresh sarge installs03:23
jdubDekkard: no03:23
wm_eddiehttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)03:24
wm_eddiehttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/restricted/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)03:24
delirejdub: ok and that preference is defined in my sources.list03:24
jdubDekkard: it is a place for dynamic media mounts03:24
wm_eddieHave these moved or changed?03:24
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Dekkardi should wake up whiprush03:25
Dekkardhey Jorge!!03:26
LinuxJoneswm_eddie, your line in /etc/apt/sources.list should look something like this >> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe03:26
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delirewhat is the 'restricted' in a ubuntu sources.list?03:28
delirei mean, can there be a 'restricted multiverse'?03:28
danielsrestricted is stuff that we can redistribute, but may not be open source/free software03:29
LinuxJonesdelire, that repository is for things like nvidia drivers (not open source software per se)03:29
delirestvn: ahh, this sarge isn't too fresh ;)03:29
danielsand yes, you can mix them; i have main universe restricted multiverse03:29
danielsLinuxJones: there's nothing 'per se' about the nvidia drivers03:29
LinuxJonesdaniels, ya I know03:29
azumangaHello :) I'm having a little problem :( I just tried install ubuntu for the first time. During install it failed to detect my network card (it's a belkin USB card, plugged in through a PCMCIA<->USB adaptor so this didn't shock me too much). After install GNOME was complaining about not being able to find my hostname, and the network didn't appear to work, so I put a simple "auto lo eth0\n iface eth0 inet dhcp" into /etc/network/interfaces, and "12703:29
deliredaniels: interesting03:29
wm_eddieLinuxJones: It looks like that...03:29
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deliredoes the ubuntu warty iso provide the kernel sources?03:30
azumangadelire: you might be reading it wrong. It means access both restricted and universe :)03:30
jdubdelire: no03:30
delireazumanga: ahah03:30
LinuxJoneswm_eddie, try commenting out any other lines that you may have in your sources.list file and then try re-loading again.03:30
delirejdub: hmm a shame. useful for compiling a network driver if not autodetected..03:30
stvndelire: it's like debian with main, contrib and non-free03:30
delirestvn: gotcha03:30
jdubdelire: too big, and the goal is that you should not have to rebuild a kernel03:31
jdubdelire: my mum, for instance, does not know how to03:31
wm_eddiecommenting out the first two seemed to make it work.03:31
delirejdub: sure, but how do you get online without the option to compile a module?03:31
azumangaPerhaps, is there a better way of setting up the network post-install?03:31
delirejdub: .. 'if all else fails' kind of thing03:31
jdubdelire: my mum would not consider that an option03:31
Treenaksazumanga: using the network settings program... in the menu03:32
jdubdelire: how would she get the source for the module?03:32
jdubdelire: would she even consider 'rebuilding a kernel'?03:32
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delirejdub: of course, she simply wouldn't be able to get online. but me? i would like the choice..03:32
jdubdelire: i'm not even sure she understands what a kernel is03:32
azumangahmm.. I think I'll try a reinstall and see if it behaves better this time :)03:32
jdubdelire: if you're in that situation, you probably know how to solve it03:32
danielsdelire: if you can't get online, you'll need to go download the drivers or whatever anyway, so the kernel sources are no benefit03:33
delirejdub: my mother doesn't, but she runs debian. when i go to her house i 'administrator' can compile a module from sources on an obscure site on her machine03:33
danielser yeah, but you can also download kernel sources from archive.ubuntu.com.03:33
jdubdelire: our solution - that module should be in our kernel03:33
danielsmy mum should buy a wireless card, plug it in, and have it work.  i shouldn't have to establish it's an isl3890 and tell her to download the kernel source, plus the source from prism54.org, then ...03:34
azumangaOut of interest, is there some way to load an arbitary module during installation, like in debian?03:34
delirejdub: not true. debian woody provides sources. several times i have needed to compile a network module to be able to get online altogether03:34
zenwhenHaving dual monitors is such a wonderful thing.03:34
danielsdelire: woody's kernel doesn't have nearly as many external modules as ours03:34
smoazumanga: /etc/modules .. just like debian03:34
zenwhenI do my work on one monitor, and my play on the other.03:34
jdubdelire: there is not enough room on our CD, we would have to dump other stuff03:34
danielsdelire: you'll notice we provide modules for most everything.  if you see one you need that's not include, please report it in our bts and we'll consider adding it if we can and it enhances network support.03:34
jdubdelire: our solution to this is to increase hardware support in the kernel03:34
cefsmo: he said DURING installation03:34
jdubdelire: not to fill up our CD with stuff that most users won't even consider an option anyway03:35
smoah, I missed the installation part :/03:35
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deliredaniels: jdub: ok.. fine for those with people nearby that are online however. not for those alone with a network connection that doesn't work in install03:35
benjaneti cant resize Gaim main window ? any ideas03:35
delirejdub: the solution you propose is excellent by the way. the right path03:35
jdubdelire: dude, if we include the driver in our kernel, they'll have it at install. that's the solution.03:35
danielsdelire: fwiw, adding a compilable kernel would involve *adding* gcc, libc6-dev, probably libncurses5-dev, and the complete working toolchain.  plus the kernel source.03:35
deliredaniels: yeah ncurses is a bit heavy03:36
Treenakswe're not Gentoo03:36
danielsdelire: if someone doesn't have a network connection that doesn't work in install, and they can fix this by downloading and compiling a driver, then we should probably be integrating that in our kernel.03:36
danielsdelire: that's what jdub's saying -- the default kernel should work for everyone out of the box03:36
danielstelling people to recompile their kernel to get network support is total arse03:36
azumangaWhat I find more stranrd is I seem to be getting a network after install has finished and rebooted, just not during install :\03:36
|progenic|in linux, is there any program like download accelerator ?03:37
Treenaks|progenic|: the only real, working "download accelerator" is getting a better connection03:38
timothy_Well, there's cacheing ...03:38
Treenaks|progenic|: for the rest it's just fake and hype03:38
Treenakstimothy_: true.. but that's not "download acceleration"03:38
|progenic|but it really help03:38
timothy_... and there's wget :)03:38
Treenaks|progenic|: yes, the windows programs just show numbers 10% higher than the "real" numbers..03:38
cef|progenic|: you mean a download manager? you might look at d4x. I've heard a bit about it, but not actually used it myself03:38
benjanetTreenaks, he maybe means a download manager03:39
deliredaniels: yes should work, and if not.. if it *can be downloaded*. in my mothers very rural situation, no one was nearby with a connection. so i had to compile it for her with carious flags to get it to work. i don't think anyone should have to compile a kernel/module. of course.. it's just an advantage of linux over wintel is that one isn't demanded to pursue the absurd situation of needing to be online to download a network driver..03:39
azumangatreenaks: not true at all03:39
Treenaksazumanga: very true..03:39
azumangaI get much faster downloads using getright than firebird or IE03:39
thisfred|progenic|: you may also want to check out the down-them-all plugin for firefox, it's not an accelerator, but it makes downloading from webpages a lot easier03:39
deliredaniels: luckily the kernel sources were there for use in this extreme situation..03:39
Treenaksazumanga: that, and most "download accelerator" programs are spyware03:39
|progenic|heh ? no, i usually can download 20 kbps but if i use the program like that, that can split into 4 download i can reach 100 kbps03:39
Treenaks|progenic|: then the server has a limit, for a reason03:39
azumangaI was getting 200K/sec from firebird getting the ubuntu ISO, and 700K/sec using getright03:40
Treenaks|progenic|: probably better to respect that reason...03:40
danielsdelire: that's a bug that should be fixed; we should be working on fixing the bug, not making it easier to work around absurd situations such as that.03:40
daniels(at the massive inconvenience of others)03:40
thisfredmost servers now block things like getright and da, which only use multiple connections for the same download03:40
cefdelire: so what was the driver in question?03:40
deliredaniels: sure.. i see the approach is totally different. that said it's a very good approach03:40
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azumangathisfred: I can't say I've ever had getright blocked03:41
delirecef: an external usb 3com03:41
delirecef: like a 3c59x but external03:41
Blighthey folks03:41
thisfredazumanga: well you're lucky then ;) Actually I think, like Treenaks said, that using said programs may amount to server abuse03:42
delirecef: i had to turn of the otherwise very handy if packet stuff to get it to work03:42
cefdelire: ahh no fun03:42
delirecef: nope..03:42
|progenic|is there any getright program for linux ?03:42
Blightprogenic: wget is a nice one03:43
Blightits command line though03:43
thisfredBlight: but that doesn't open multiple connection to get a faster download03:43
delirejdub: i agree with your approach btw.. following on from this approach, what if my mother doesn't know what processor arch she runs (as she doesn't). how will she begin the process of choosing the distro? do you see a future where there is an arch detection script?03:44
Treenaksthisfred: you don't want that :)03:44
thisfredTreenaks: exactly03:44
cef|progenic|: look at d4x03:44
cef|progenic|: it's in universe03:44
azumangaAh ha! I've made my network card be detected03:44
delirejdub: 'choosing the iso' i meant03:44
Treenaksthisfred: unless you use different mirrors, and check the md5sum.. but then you're better off with bittorrent anyway03:44
cefdelire: the problem with that is manyfold03:45
azumangaI "modprobe"d a bunch of things until it got detected. I could try to produce a reduced list of what I had to modprobe to detect it during startup.. would such a list be a) useful and b) what should I do with it?03:45
delirecef: i realise ;) but integral to the uptake03:45
thisfredTreenaks: +103:45
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cefdelire: with i386/amd64, it's technically possible.. with ppc and many other arches, it's pretty much a hopeless cause03:45
Treenakscef: you can make a bootable CD that boots the PPC kernel om PowerPC and the x86/amd64 kernel on those..03:46
cefdelire: you'd need to be able to make an iso/UDF image that will boot on many different architechures.. PPC would be the hardest, but afaik its possible.. plus then you need to put all the packages on the one piece of media.. so you're talking DVD image03:47
delirecef: what about a DVD with all arch's of base packages precompiled on board.03:47
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jdubcef: actually, we have a recipe for doing all our current arches on a single dvd :)03:48
jdubcef: doing the right thing on boot, etc. :)03:48
cefdelire: the big problem is that such an image will be rather large, so it'd be no fun to download03:48
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delirei would say the same people that don't know what an iso is would also not know what arch they run. therefore they'd be better off ordering a DVD via land mail03:48
delirecef: of course03:49
delirejdub: very cool. you guys are smart03:49
delirea 'just works (on everything)' DVD03:50
timothy_cef - I'd love to see a bootable PPC one :)03:50
delireis there airport support in Ubuntu PPC? i don't run an apple, just hear it as a complaint on debian lists03:51
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jdubdelire: there is no linux support for airport extreme at all03:52
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delirejdub: right..03:52
jdubthe airport on my ibook works fine03:52
Dekkardjdub... should i bet an ibook or powerbook?03:52
Dekkardor get03:53
delirepowerbooks seem a little cheap to me.. unsturdy. ibooks look like quality03:53
deliremany friends have issues with their PB's03:53
stvnpbs are the expensive ones, right?03:54
timothy_Dekkard: my iBook is the only laptop I've owned on which it has made sense to replace the battery, because the machine keeps surviving rough treatment.03:54
jdubDekkard: i wouldn't recommend getting a recent apple laptop if you want to use linux on it03:54
Treenaksjdub: what laptop would you recommend then?03:54
jdubwell, the IBM X40 is very popular among the ubuntu developer crew03:55
jdubthere are some great HP laptops03:55
delireafter 2months research i've just bought this: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6nphotos.html03:55
timothy_Dekkard: my iBook is 3 years old; DVD drive door is slow (fixed in later revs, this is Gen 1 white iBook), a few keys had to be fixed on the KB (another issue fixed in later revs), but mostly it just keeps plugging along.03:55
jduband i recently got a Dell X30003:55
delirethe sturdiest, fastest, lightest i could find03:55
delireewww, delire kicks his inspiron03:55
delire!lart dell03:55
jdub(not a big fan of dell hardware, but this is great)03:55
stvndelire: does it have bluetooth?03:56
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delirei looked at everything from the IBM T42p to the G4.. this M6N was it in the benchmarks03:56
Dekkardhow much delire?03:56
delirestvn: no, need an adapter03:56
delireDekkard: i paid US1800.0003:56
Dekkardtoo rich for me03:57
delireDekkard:.. but had it sent to the EU03:57
Dekkardim lookin at @1500 us or less..03:57
delireDekkard: this starts at US1360... a perfect 3D machine03:57
Dekkardapple has refurb g4 powerbooks with the usperdrive for just a touch over that03:57
delireDekkard: carbin fibre casing. in a trade show the guy was throwing it to the ground and then booting it up and playing some game03:58
delirelovely to look at in the flesh.. lid snaps shut, keys beautiful to type on. very happy.03:58
timothy_I saw a toughbook demo once where they did that ... over and over.03:58
delirea 1.8Ghz centrino benchmarks close to a 2.8Ghz P4 across the board03:59
timothy_Drop, play with, show how the movie playing didn't even skip. Drop, type some, drop, play a game ...03:59
Dekkardhow is linux centrino support at the moment?03:59
deliretimothy_:yeah they look ok too, though expensive03:59
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delireDekkard: well with Ubuntu it's creat ;)03:59
mjg59Dekkard: The video is supported, the CPU scaling is supported, the wireless is supported03:59
delireDekkard: from what i read.. one of the only distro's to 'just work' with the ipw2200 and ipw210003:59
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delireDekkard: one of the reasons i'm here, Ubuntu is unique in that respect.. a lot of laptop owners will move to Ubuntu for this reason04:00
ceftimothy_: the toughbooks are very nice like that..04:00
timothy_cef: the demo was sort of painful to watch :)04:00
deliretimothy_: same for this tough asus M6N04:00
deliretimothy_: people were covering their faces04:01
timothy_delire: yeah, I am impressed with what you say about it :)04:01
deliretimothy_: it's light a quiet. pretty good for an x86 lappie04:01
delireproblem is it looks very 'business' ;)04:02
ceftimothy_: heh.. I don't flinch anymore when people drop hardware.. I work with industrial drop rated PDA.. 1000 x 1m drops - 2 secs between each drop.04:02
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timothy_Wireless has become a pain on my Linux laptop (PCMCIA slots are dying or dead, it seems, and I can *almost* but not quite get the USB wireless dongle to work with SBC), and iBook is nice but I prefer Linux, so I went and got a cheap system the other day, which is what I'm typing on now.04:02
TdC_VgAjust wanted to pop in and say.. congrats on the live cd, ppc, and final warty release.04:02
timothy_cef: what PDA is that?04:03
ceftimothy_: we used to literally kick one around the office, till we managed to crack a window04:03
TdC_VgAbeen running the beta on my laptop for a few months and i have to say it's by far my favorite distro. great job.04:03
TdC_VgAmy WiFi still doesn't work in ubuntu =(, but hey thats what you get with broadcom.. apparently some people have the same card working, but I can't seem to get it to send/recieve only scan for APs.04:04
timothy_delire: thanks for pointing that laptop out; if I *do* get a new laptop sometime soon, that will be on the list.04:04
TdC_VgAwhen i try to connect to the AP, it just sits with DHCP looping over and over until it times out, and if i try to specify an IP i get nothing either04:04
ceftimothy_: the brand is Symbol. http://www.symbol.com/ and look under the portable computing devices.. lots to choose from, but they all run DOS, PalmOS or WinCE.. though apparently they did put linux on one for Siemens.. *sigh*04:05
Dekkardinteresting lappy delire04:05
timothy_cef: Yes, I'm familiar (not through use, just knowledge) with symbol.04:05
timothy_delire: is the battery run-down time real?04:05
ceftimothy_: all the WinCE ones though are pretty much just hotted up iPAQ's04:05
timothy_5.5 hours?04:05
TreenaksTdC_VgA: does the card associate with the ap (you can seet hat with iwconfig)04:05
Dekkardi notice that the asus lappys at that site.. come with no os.. nice04:06
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ceftimothy_: though they don't share anything with them in design04:06
Dekkardwhat is the difference between wxga and sxga?04:06
TdC_VgATreenaks: lemme check.. one minute04:07
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zverjhello, i got question, where ubuntu has php4-dbase module or how else can i enable it?04:08
deliretimothy_: yes it is. 6hrs of average use04:08
TdC_VgAi heard there was a commercial driver for ndis that might help, linuxant or something...04:08
Dekkarddelire: you may jsut have sold me on this asus.. i love carbon fibre..04:08
timothy_delire: impressive.04:08
TdC_VgAi'd definitely be willing to pay 20.00 to make my wifi work.04:08
deliretimothy_: i read 30 reviews, read extensive benchmarks, read about the chassis, read about linux on the machine. this what my choice04:09
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TdC_VgAdamn broadcom not releasing their op codes.. just lame04:09
Treenaksdelire: wow.. that M6000 series looks fiine04:09
delireDekkard: it's lovely. read what ppl say about it on the notebookforums.com04:09
delireif you're in the US Frank at agearnotebooks.com delivers in 3days04:09
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delireTreenaks: it's a goodie04:09
altan_hell yes, I finally got pppd working on non-root04:10
deliremy Dell Inspiron creaks and has a disconcerting flexibility in the lib04:10
Dekkardman that is sexy.. and no windows tax!!04:10
timothy_delire: very nice. that's the new top of my list if I should get an intel-type laptop soon.04:10
delirethe kb is slightly uneven and the cdrom drive wobbles a bit..04:10
urukhaidoes ubuntu support amd64 arch?04:11
deliretimothy_: oh make sure you read up on the fallacy of clock speeds. a 1.5 vs a 1.8 is little difference for most applications. no need to pay too much more there04:11
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cefurukhai: yes04:11
deliretimothy_: with the centrino's i mean04:11
urukhaigreat...i shall give it a try04:11
cefurukhai: I have it installed on a dual opteron at work.. runs nicely04:11
delireDekkard: exactly! no wintel tax04:12
timothy_delire: no worries on that front. The only reason I've been avoiding centrino is poor Linux support, though I'm glad to read (here) that Ubuntu is fixing that.04:12
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TdC_VgATreenaks: after an ifup wlan0, i do see "WARFROG" my essid listed under iwconfig04:12
Dekkarddelire: how much post install configuration did you need to do with ubuntu  on that lappy?04:12
TreenaksTdC_VgA: and the right channel as well?04:13
urukhaii hope there won't be any prob with nforce3 chipset...04:13
TreenaksTdC_VgA: and the WEP key?04:13
delireDekkard: i haven't installed yet, still on debian then again that wasn't too bad.04:13
timothy_On my new cheap system ($450 for Sempron 2800/512MB RAM/60GB HD/CD-RW/DVD/17" CRT), live Gnoppix Ubuntu disk works great.04:13
delireDekkard: just discovered Ubuntu yesterday04:13
deliretimothy_: hmm..04:13
TdC_VgATreenaks: it's saying encryption off... odd, the channel is 2.447Ghz that should be right04:13
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TdC_VgAsetting encryption is wireless_keymode restricted correct?04:14
TreenaksTdC_VgA: no, it's iwconfig eth0 key yourkey04:14
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wasabiSoooooo. When can we expect Ubuntu Server Edition, which will automatically set up OpenLDAP Samba, and Kerberos. :004:14
TreenaksTdC_VgA: ("wireless_key yourkey" in /etc/network/interfaces)04:14
benjaneti cant resize Gaim main window ? any ideas04:14
Treenaksbenjanet: can you make it larger, but not smaller?04:14
benjanetTreenaks, yes04:15
TdC_VgAi have that also, but the key is just XXXXXXXXXXXX... no quotes or hex XX:XX blocks is that ok?04:15
cefTreenaks: adding 'restricted' before the key is sometimes necessary04:15
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urukhaiwhat about ATI drivers? do they run on amd64 ubuntu?04:15
cefTdC_VgA: that's the only way it'll accept the key, so that's ok04:15
TdC_VgAi wonder why it's not picking up the key now... odd04:16
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Treenakscef: uh ok04:16
cefTreenaks: depends on the AP and card04:16
altan-sorry about jumping in and out, won't happen anymore since pppd works properly and xchat is configured04:16
cefTreenaks: I just tend to use it now by default cos it tends to work on them all or just get ignored04:16
delireDekkard: my girlfriend bought this beautiful little Asus: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm3nphoto.html04:17
Treenakscef: I have a prism54 and an asus AP.. works fine04:17
TdC_VgAcef: think i should comment out restricted and see if that helps?04:17
cefTdC_VgA: give it a shot04:17
Treenaksdelire: I want a windowsless laptop.. :(04:17
delireTreenaks: these come without windows04:17
Treenaksdelire: they do? not in the on-line stores I'm looking..04:18
delireTreenaks: http://agearnotebooks.com (i foudn these guys after price comparisons and searching for blank lappies)04:18
Treenaksdo they ship to Europe? :)04:19
TdC_VgAheh, removing the restricted definitely setup the KEY, but still no response from DHCP04:19
TreenaksTdC_VgA: is the channel OK?04:19
delireTreenaks: yes, but like me (in Spain) you have to pay import tax. you can claim this back though.04:19
Treenaksdelire: claim it back?04:20
delireTreenaks: and ask Frank at agearnotebooks to not use DHL, they are evil and hopeless.04:20
TdC_VgAanyone know if 2.447GHz is channel 8?04:20
delireTreenaks: tax reclamation. tax deductable04:20
Treenaksdelire: I know DHL is hopeless... I get my amazon packages from them..04:20
delireTreenaks: they have really dicked us around04:20
Treenaksdelire: oh? I hope it's that way in .nl as well04:20
delireTreenaks: if you pay import *tax* then it is reclaimable04:21
TreenaksI'll ask my local tax expert :)04:21
delireTreenaks: wise04:21
Treenaks(i.e. dad :))04:21
TdC_VgAyeah channel is ok 2.447 is channel 8... what my AP requires04:21
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kensaiHi guys04:22
cefTdC_VgA: did you set the mode to managed?04:22
TdC_VgAcef: listed as managed by iwconfig, but i'll specifically state it04:23
cefTdC_VgA: might also try 'iwconfig dev commit' if you're doing it manually04:24
cefTdC_VgA: no need to do that with interfaces tho, the scripts do it automatically04:25
kensaihow can one join the ubuntu mailing list?04:25
delirehehe funny that such a 'just works' distro goes against popular opinion and shows that a kernel. i think that's excellent04:26
delirewhere deb and rh developers say 'no way', 'impossible' won't work04:27
cefgo to http://lists.ubuntu.com/, find the list you want to join, enter your email address and specify a password. you'll get an email you'll have to confirm to accept the subscription04:27
TdC_VgAworth a shot.04:27
kensaicef: thanks04:27
cefkensai: welcome04:28
kensaiI have a network in my home and it is visible through ubunut but how can I set up to use a printer that is in another pc of the network?04:29
TdC_VgAno go still.. just odd to me, considering I scan scan the aps.04:30
kensaiis ther any prog for doing this on gnome?04:32
timothy_kensai: I've never actually set out with that goal, but I found that when I set up Knoppix as a HD-based distro on several machines that the KDE print system noted the printer hooked to one of the machines and made it visible to all the others on the network, and printing to it was transparent. However, I have not tried with Ubuntu, I don't even have a printer available at the moment ;)04:32
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kensaiOhh thanks any ways Ill just try and figure it out04:33
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croftyi am not sure whether my order for pressed cd version of ubuntu has been accepted , i have not got any confirmation emails yet , was about a week ago04:34
cefTdC_VgA: what wifi card?04:35
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kensaiI just have to give it up for ubuntu configuring my network automagically04:36
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TdC_VgAcef: broadcom 54g04:36
TdC_VgAbuilt into my averatec unfortunatly =(.04:37
cefahh broadcom.. yukko.. you have my sympathies04:37
TdC_VgAthanks... i get that a lot. heh04:37
nanotechi was told that many linux distros have a module that enforces password strength...does debian/ubuntu have this? and if so, how can i edit the parameters?04:38
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cefnanotech: usually to do with pam, look in /etc/pam.d/04:38
krunk-so, if you install a package in ubuntu does it automagically appear in the start menu? Also are the mime types well set up by default, e.g., click a *.wmv and the media player pops open?04:39
bob2no and probably no04:39
krunk-is there a distro that does so?04:39
jdubkrunk-: if it has a menu item included, it will automatically add it to the menu04:39
crimsunkrunk-: not that I'm aware04:39
jdubthe mime types are set up by default04:39
krunk-ok, conflicting answers hehe04:40
crimsun(I'm answering the distro question)04:40
JanneMit depends on the individual packages04:40
AnnaHi, I thought I can erase files on a CD RW by just selecting and dragging them to the trash. Now it tells me that the files are read-only, how do I clean that CD anyway?04:40
jdubkrunk-: these are gnome features, and i can say yes to both :)04:40
JanneMif it packaged to add menu entry, fix a mime entry and so on, it will04:40
jdubkrunk-: so any distro that ships gnome will do it04:40
bob2krunk-: I'm wrong, jdub knows far more than me04:40
jdubJanneM: it's not package-dependent04:40
nanotechaccording to IBM's roadmap to switching to linux: "  Most Linux distributions install with a password cracker  module activated for password changes. This module will test a password to see if it follows good password practices. If not, a warning will be given that the user is using a bad password. Depending on your configuration, a user may be required to use a secure password before it will be accepted. Root may be warned when a password is04:40
crimsunoh, if you're referring to GNOME packages, then yes.04:41
jdubif a .desktop file is added to the /usr/share/applications/ dir, the panel menu applet updates itself04:41
bob2jdub: dnotify? ;)04:41
krunk-lets say it's the basics, e.g., I don't care if the default media player is used as long as it plays files automagically. The want to install all the little games packages, but don't kow how to dig for them so they need to be in the menu04:41
jdubbob2: via fam, yeah04:41
TdC_VgAapparently some people have gotten this same card to work, but not me heh04:41
JanneMjdub: how would apt know what MIME to register a packaged mplayer handles, for instance?04:41
jdubkrunk-: a lot of the games won't have gnome menu entries04:41
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jdubJanneM: talking about gnome packages04:42
jdubJanneM: if mplayer had a .desktop file, it would work too04:42
krunk-jdub: alright, is kde acceptably supported (I think they'd prefer k3b over the alternatives)04:42
JanneMI think krunk- meant it a bit more genreally thoigh04:42
kensaikrunk-: lots of game can be executed through the terminal just wrinting their names04:42
AnnaOk, let me ask the other way around. How do I change permission to turn read only files into read and write?04:42
jdubkrunk-: kde isn't supported, but it is installable04:42
krunk-kensai: I know, but this is for a true newb04:43
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krunk-Anna: man chmod04:43
JanneMkrunk-: if you are adding the stuff for them, you can add menu entries manually as well04:43
AnnaNo manual entry for changemod04:44
babuiman chmod04:44
kensaikrunk-: yeah menu entries are the best way to go but I have installed from apt a program that is called menu that adds this things automatocally some of them04:45
JanneMAnna: why waste vowels :)04:45
krunk-JanneM: well, the reason I'm digging for this is: I've been doing that for them min fedora as well as handling all the other little glitches that pop up. they really like linux however they're like: what are we going to do when your not around? and will probably buy XP. They went weeks without being able to play movies because when they clicked the file nothing happened and they didn't want to bother me04:45
JanneMkrunk-: what do they do when something gets messed up in Windows?04:46
krunk-JanneM: well, that rarely happens if you just use it for things like watching videos, browsing the web, or such. And if it gets very messed up, they reinstall and everything *just works (TM)* again04:46
kensaikrunk-: lol04:47
krunk-but since it doesn't just work and the install is intimidating, well, it's understandable for those not in the know04:47
kensaiwindows gets messed only for browsing the web04:48
babuiat home my wife browses and I finish removing adware, viruses, etc. :-)04:48
babuiwith my debian and now with my ubuntu I neves haves problems04:48
krunk-yes, but it takes time....and the "messed up" is spy ware and pop ups.....thus reinstall. Not saying it's a good strategy but it's what probably 70% of the people do04:48
kensai^this leads me to one curiosity does spyware works in Linux?04:49
x43there would be no benefit from running ubuntu on a xeon processor ?04:49
krunk-kensai: no04:49
kensaitracking cookies work on Linux?04:49
krunk-kensai: of course04:49
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krunk-kensai: if you have those types of cookies enabled (just like windows)04:50
kensaiso tracking cookies work but spyware dont?04:50
krunk-kensai: spyware is often binary in nature, such as activeX which will not work in linux04:50
Anna"chmod: too few arguments" . What argument would I use if I want to change writing permission on all files of a CD RW?04:50
kensaiSo I just need to clean my cookies of firefox periodically?04:50
cefkensai: yup. spyware tries to install stuff that only usually runs on windows.. cookies should work on any architecture04:51
krunk-kensai: you can simply tighten up cookie handling and never clean.04:51
babuiand it's difficult to install a resident program in linux04:51
babuieven if you execute some code this code will disappear in the next reboot04:51
JanneMAnna: chmod -R a+rw /path/to/the/CD04:51
cefit'd be really nice to have a program that kills tracking cookies though04:51
kensaiOk then when someone start to write spyware for linux we will need to use spyware blaster and adaware?04:51
babuiin the CD you can't change mode04:51
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AnnaOk JanneM, I'll try that (sheesh, and I was suppose to know this from the manual?)04:52
krunk-kensai: it's very hard to write spyware for linux. Especially if you use only opensource apps. Afterall everyone is looking at the source and no one like spyware04:53
nanotechanna...i think you'll have to reburn the cd...unless you have some sort of "hot write" ability on it04:53
JanneMAnna: nope.04:53
nanotechw/ the permissions04:54
kensaibecause of spyware bill gates runs mac LOL04:54
JanneMAnna: I think nanotech is right, too; rewritable CD can't really be treated as ordinary file systtem04:54
krunk-kensai: but in theory, if you were foolish enough to install spyware on linux, it would run04:54
JanneMAnna: for changing permissions of individual files, you can do that in the file manager04:55
JanneMAnna: that is for speedy changing of _everything_ at once04:55
krunk-kensai: no one would add spyware to they're package mirrors though. so you'd really have to go out of your way04:55
kensairight you are04:55
krunk-Anna: man chmod will tell you about permission changing04:56
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nanotechso krunk, software can't be installed upon my linux partitions via 3rd party?04:56
nanotechie spyware04:56
krunk-nanotech: well, technically spyware can't be installed via 3rd party in windows either...you have to do it. in linux it could be done if you chose too, but not system wide...only in the users directory foolish enough to install it04:57
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nanotechok, lets say i stuble accross a site that sploits my sys with java to install some spyware...04:58
krunk-so, you won't ever have the classic windows problem of spyware reaking havoc on the entire system unless said user was fooolish enough to install as root04:58
cefnanotech: it's always possible, it's just a lot harder and also less likely (linux is less of a target)04:58
krunk-nanotech: it would only be done in the user's home directory04:58
nanotechso the spyware can't be global04:58
nanotechi c04:58
krunk-nanotech: exactly. So IF it happens and you notice it's a simple rm -rf ~/.spyware from being gone04:59
cefand if it did run, to get everywhere else, it'd have to try to assume root, which is also unlikely04:59
x43the ubuntu cd's that are free do they send you the next latest release ?04:59
nanotechwhy is that unlikley?04:59
jdubx43: you'll have to request them again05:00
nanotechi thought the ideas WAS to assume root?05:00
krunk-how is the ubuntu installer? I was super impressed with the xandros one, best I've seen so far05:00
jdubkrunk-: simple, text-based05:00
krunk-debian style :)05:00
nanotechyeah, the ubuntu installer was pretty smooth05:00
nanotechreally lax05:00
kensaiBut ia have to install pakages as root so If I accidentally install spyware it will be globally?05:00
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krunk-kensai: you never *have* to install packages as root05:01
krunk-you can make a ~/bin and install packages there if you really want.05:01
kensaibut only in ubuntu then because in other distros I have to install as root05:02
krunk-so, here's the setup: one has root, she knows what she's doing. Other users either must ok it with her or install into ~/bin05:02
Annasigh. command chmod -R a+rw  did not change permission into writable and unspecified error made the trashcan crash...05:02
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krunk-Anna: chmod 666 -R .Trash05:02
kensaichmod 666 doesn't bring up satan on your screen? LOL05:03
krunk-Anna: check ownership: ls -ld .Trash you may not have permission to change permissions requiring su root to do it05:03
krunk-kensai: yes it does, now you know the truth of linux05:03
AnnaOk, basically all I'm trying to do is delete all files on a CD RW. It can't be really that difficult05:04
krunk-Anna: oooo, cdrw is not like a standard file system05:04
nanotechi dunno how to do that in ubuntu...05:04
krunk-Anna: I would suggest using k3b and erasing the disk05:04
nanotechi do know that there's some sorta burning tool that autolaunches when you insert a blank cd-r05:05
krunk-or an equiv.....does ubuntu have UDF filesystems enabled by default?05:05
nanotecham i talking about k3b?05:05
kensaiwhich is best nautilus cd burner or k3b?05:05
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AnnaI use Ubuntu Gnome and I tried to install KDE and K3B. don't ask05:05
krunk-I find k3b to be one of the best OS apps put out in quite a while....all around05:06
KarlosIIwhat is so great about ubuntu?05:06
krunk-KarlosII: it does your laundry and orders pizza05:06
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jdubKarlosII: might want to read the website for such a general question :)05:06
jdubKarlosII: lots of useful answers to that in the FAQ05:06
KarlosIIjdub, uhh05:06
kensaiKarlosII: everything from it philosophy to its ways05:06
AnnaUbuntu is a good starting point for newbies who just like to use a GUI of Debian to work yourself deeper into linux05:06
JanneMon the other hand, with nautilus burner you just drag your files over, select "burn" and you're done05:07
KarlosIIjdub, I read part of it but don't understand what it does differently then other distros05:07
nanotechspeaking about the website and general ubuntu intro...i ordered the desmond tutu book that's linked offa the site...05:07
krunk-JanneM: does nautilus burner support UDF?05:07
nanotechWTF does it have to do with ubuntu?05:07
JanneMwhat is that?05:07
jdubKarlosII: it's a single CD install05:07
jdubKarlosII: it includes a full desktop system by default05:07
jdubKarlosII: we release every six months05:07
jdubKarlosII: releases are synchronised with gnome05:07
kensaievery six month is the best part for me05:08
AnnaNo JanneM, I tried to drag the files onto that particular CD RW but it tells my the disc is busy - probably -because- there are read only files on there05:08
jdubgets into specifics beyond that05:08
krunk-jdub: you a dev?05:08
zenwhenKarlosII: It doesnt include KDE. Thats a big enough advantage right there05:08
KarlosIIjdub, so what is it that people see in it05:08
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kensaiKDE is bloat05:08
krunk-props to all OS devs.05:08
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jdubKarlosII: it works really well, is based on debian, etc., etc.05:08
jdubKarlosII: probably best to read reviews and the FAQ05:08
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jdubkensai: dude, please don't05:08
JanneMAnna: can't you just format the disk?05:08
krunk-one mans bloat is anothers utility. some say gnome is bloat :)05:08
KarlosIIjdub, does it come with cedega05:08
kensaiOK forget what I said05:08
jdubKarlosII: no05:08
AnnaIf I knew how...05:09
nanotechso is anyone gonna sugest any correlations between tutu and ubuntu other than the term "ubuntu?"05:09
eruinKarlosII: you have to pay for cedega, so ofc not ;P05:09
KarlosIIjdub, but lindows deos...hmm  I'm just trying to find one for my mother05:09
krunk-Anna: sorry, I'm not familar with nautilus and whether it can erase cdrw's05:09
JanneMAnna: I've never used rewritable CD:s so I can't really help further, but it's bound to be some easy way05:09
jdubKarlosII: you have to buy lindows05:09
kensaiI find lindows harder to use than ubuntu Honestlyu05:09
jdubAnna: (i believe it blanks cds first)05:10
KarlosIIjdub, heh I will after  I try it to see if it's workable for mymother05:10
JanneMnanotech: Tutu and Shuttleworth are bouth from South Africa05:10
eruinkensai: might be because they concentrate on kde?05:10
Kanokrunk-: cdrecord -dev x,y,z -driveropts=burnfree blank=fast05:10
lifelessI thought tutu was south american for some reason05:10
kensaiand they bring a broken apt05:10
KarlosIIhiya kano05:10
krunk-Kano: I was trying to avoid the cli for Anna05:10
kensaijust for you to buy crn05:10
eruinnot to mention a broken website :)05:10
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Kanokrunk-: ;)05:10
nanotechjanneM...i know this...05:11
Kanoa linux user without that knowledge is no real user05:11
kensaiso any other thing to bash? HEHE05:11
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nanotechbut one has to DIG deep to see ANY relation to ubuntu and the "FSF" for example05:11
nanotechor anyother "freedom of software rights" movements05:11
jdublifeless: wtf?! :)05:12
lifelessjdub: ?05:12
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jdublifeless: south american....05:12
Kanokensai: if you never use command line you can stay with win05:12
AnnaWell, I happen to have run out of blank CD's which is why I "wanted" to delete all data on a redundant CD RW. I tried Google to find out how but apparently that's an issue.05:12
lifelessbrazil/argentina sort of thing. that was the impression I got from RMS05:12
lifeless(obviously the wrong end of the globe)05:12
kensaiinstead of Lindows yeah05:12
Ngdon't listen to RMS ;)05:12
KarlosIILindows :)05:12
kensaiKano: i HATE WINDOWS05:13
|progenic|anybody can suggest one good samba browser ?05:13
krunk-Kano: bah, you shouldn't have to cli to use an os05:13
KarlosIIkrunk-, that's a lousy philosophy05:13
AnnaKano, I like what you did to Knoppix but your attitude sucks ass05:13
KarlosIIAnna, uh05:13
kensaiI have windows in one of my harddrive but I only use it for my games05:13
krunk-that's a true philosophy.05:14
eruinwhats the anoncvs pserv for gnome?05:14
kensaitheres been a week since I don't boot to Windows05:14
krunk-just like you shouldn't have to solder to use a toaster05:14
|progenic|me too05:14
KarlosIIAnna, no windows users can't come to linux thinking they don't have to change their attitudes and ways05:14
|progenic|almost a week i never boot to windows05:14
KanoAnna: thats a bit drastic, but if you are not willing to learn that too you do not really need linux05:15
kensaidamn cedega not supporting splinter cell thats the only reason for having one HDD with winslows05:15
nanotechprog, kensai...that's music to my ears05:15
nanotechnot booting into win for a week05:15
AnnaIt is exactly that derogatory, elitist crap that had kept me away from linux for years.05:15
AnnaWho says I05:15
nanotechi like hearing people expressing how they've become winged offa win.05:15
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Annam not ready to learn05:15
krunk-Anna: I have googled a bit for you and there is a way in nautilus to erase your cdrw, but I havn't seen it step by step layed out yet.05:16
kensaicause I just finished playing splinter cell pandora tomorrow a week ago LOL05:16
KarlosIIkensai, hey if the support C&C Generals that'll get rid of my windows partition05:16
krunk-Anna: maybe poke around the helps05:16
KanoAnna: you can not do everyhing with a gui05:16
krunk-Kano: name one05:16
jduboff-topic stuff elsewhere please05:16
JanneMyou should be able to05:16
kensaiI just boot for gaming If I click the blue E in the desktop windows could get messed LOL05:16
|progenic|to tell the truth, when i got my job interview, a lot of companies nowadays require us to know about linux05:16
krunk-Kano: without getting to abstract05:17
eruinKarlosII: cedega supports c&cgenerals05:17
nanotechfor me...i still boot into windows due to multimedia software05:17
KarlosIIeruin, since when05:17
kensaiI'm right now in windows at the university but I'm connected to my server in freebsd05:17
eruinsince 4.0.1, improved in 4.105:17
eruinKarlosII: http://downloads.transgaming.com/files/cedega-4.1_releasenotes.txt05:17
bigbrother0074what is gnoppix?05:17
Kanokrunk-: thats not based upon one example, you need console in many ways.05:17
Nganyone know if ia32-libs is enough for cedega to work on an amd64 install?05:18
KarlosIIeruin, zero hour?05:18
Kanoat least the basics everone should know05:18
eruinKarlosII: isn't that just a mod ?05:18
eruinor expansion?05:18
kensaisoon my server will be changed from freebsd to red hat05:18
Kanoso it really wont hurt when you know how to burn/erase a cd05:18
KarlosIIeruin, expansion05:18
AnnaI had entered your chat on Kanotix and "well have you ever heard anything of command line" was your response to every question. If you don't feel like talking to anybody "beneath" you, then make it clear that newbies aren't welcome and non-experts should get a clue first.05:18
KarlosIIeruin, u have to install it with it's own key05:19
eruinoh, that doesn't matter05:19
krunk-Kano: for every day use you really don't. now, true things like: find ~/ -type f | xargs chmod 660 you can't easily do that in gui, but it's not a common demand05:19
jdubAnna, Kano, krunk-: dudes, please, elsewhere.05:19
krunk-Anna: what version of gnome?05:20
krunk-jdub: sorry, back on topic.05:20
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MithrandirNg: I think it should be enough, yes.05:20
kensaijdub: rofl05:20
krunk-Anna: there should be an "erase cd" checkbox05:20
nanotechare there any linux certs i can work on, that you ppl could sugest?05:20
NgMithrandir: I keep meaning to try, but I always forget when I'm at home in front of it ;)05:20
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KanoAnna: have fun with gui, when you are more advanced you should learn more05:21
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MithrandirNg: if there's anything missing from the ia32-libs we have, I'd like to be told, so we could fix it.05:21
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KarlosIIeruin, deos internet play work with nocd?05:21
NgMithrandir: ok, will do05:21
eruinKarlosII: no05:21
kensaiKano: C&C generals is almost supported on cedega05:21
bigbrother0074what is gnoppix?05:22
kensaisorry for answering late05:22
nanotechlinux certs? is that a redhat thing? taboo for the ubuntu audience? :P05:22
Ngnanotech: there are loads, chances are nobody here has one though05:22
krunk-Anna: did you find it?05:22
eruinKarlosII: or rather, not sure. I haven't had a chance to test it on 4.105:22
bob2nanotech: LPI is supposed to be distro-agnostic05:22
eruinmaybe the improved protection handling has fixed it05:22
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krunk-nanotech: "certs" are distro specific if at all. The best cert is the cert of hard knocks05:23
nanotechheh...i know that there's loads out there...but i was hopeing to find some sugestions, or repositories05:23
NgMithrandir: can I force the i386 deb to install somehow?05:23
bob2Mithrandir: "anything missing"05:23
bob2Mithrandir: erk05:23
nanotechkrunk :P05:23
AnnaNo, even if it's there I haven't found it, but I'll just google for. I can't concentrate now as I'm PISSED, so, I'll just cool off.. thanks05:23
grubermanArgh, Ao works in linux with cedega? And I canelled my account :/05:23
bob2Mithrandir: someone was complaining about it not containing the alsa libs, does that count?05:23
Mithrandirnanotech: as Ubuntu is fairly new, there is no certification process up and running.. I would imagine there'll be one at some point.05:23
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sihumani had just install ubuntu, but my xserver didn't work at the first time, i notice that there no need to do thing as root, but when i type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 he ask me for the root password , and i didn't know it ...05:23
nanotechwhat about ubuntu's parent distro...debian?05:23
Mithrandirbob2: yes, that counts.  File a bug :)05:23
stodgeIs there a command to refresh the Gnome menu after installing an app?05:24
krunk-nanotech: you can start by reading "from boot to bash" for the basics of a unix system. Than, I find, linux from scratch is a great way to learn *how* a linux system works05:24
MithrandirNg: dpkg --force-architecture -i cedaga*.deb05:24
Ngsihuman: sudo asks you for your own password :)05:24
bob2sihuman: it's askign for your package05:24
NgMithrandir: excellent :)05:24
bob2er, password05:24
nanotechouch...linux from scratch...:(05:24
kensaiAnna: repeat with me GUSFRABA and relax then say I love Linux. and it'll be ok05:24
bob2Mithrandir: ah, well, I'll tell that dude to if he ever reappears05:24
nanotechi'll check out from bott to bash05:24
krunk-nanotech: other than that, "the advanced bash scripting tutorial" is good05:24
MithrandirNg: I don't recommend using --force-architecture much -- it can destroy your system if you're not careful.05:24
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sihumanbut it didn't work ... i ll retry , i coming back soon , thanks05:24
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jdubnanotech: do the LPI, that'll be the basis for our certs05:25
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NgMithrandir: sounds fun. presumably it'd only be likely to hose something if I'm installing something that overlaps with an i386 package?05:25
nanotechthe LPI?05:25
MithrandirNg: correctly, so doing that to libc is _very_ stupid. :)05:26
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NgMithrandir: haha, yes, I can see how that would be a mistake ;)05:26
kensaiI have 11 gmail accounts to give any one here interested?05:26
NgMithrandir: is there anything I can do to help out with Ubuntu/amd64 type stuff, btw?05:26
krunk-kensai: jesus christ, you own stock?05:27
MithrandirNg: it might have problems with dependencies, though I hope not.05:27
MithrandirNg: amd64 is actually coming along fairly well, bug reports, fixes and such is, as usual, appreciated.05:28
krunk-oh wait, is ubuntu 100% debian compat? or is it limited to ubuntu repositories?05:28
NgMithrandir: cool, I'll keep an eye on bugzilla then :)05:28
jdubkrunk-: we discourage mixing repos,05:28
bob2krunk-: you can probably use debian packages on it, but it's not supported05:28
kensaikrunk-: I've installed debian apps and they work properly05:28
jdubkrunk-: because, ideally, everything should be available in universe, built against ubuntu05:29
kensaibut gtk-gnutella doesn't work05:29
krunk-jdub: ok, see I tried xandros. their devs have really done a bang up job, but they've customised so that using straight debs break things...and they're package selection is extremembly crippled, e.g., no firefox, evolution, etc.05:29
jdubkrunk-: that's why we have universe05:30
kensaiwhich p2p is good for debian?05:30
nanotechit's the linux equalv of soulseek05:31
kensaiI just have azureus and thats more like an ftp05:31
nanotechwich i've been on for years05:31
krunk-azureus is awsome05:31
kensaiis nicotine in apt?05:31
kensaiyeah I use azureus for everything05:31
nanotechi dont' know how to dl...complie...install packages...05:31
Gmailso when is hoary going to have stuff in its branch?05:32
kensaiin which network is nicotin based?05:32
nanotechin wich netwrok?05:32
kensaignutella, fasttrack, e-donkey?05:32
nanotechindependant of kazaa05:32
bob2Gmail: /topic05:33
kensaisoulseek is a diff network?05:33
nanotechit's indepentand of all05:33
kensaiKool but have many files>?05:33
nanotechinitally engineered to trade abstract electronic abulms not normally found on those nets05:33
nanotechkensai...no. i legally own all my data05:33
kensaidon't understand what you are trying to say05:34
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nanotechget nicotine...that's what i'm saying05:34
nanotechit's it's own net05:35
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kensaihow I do that *kensai notes he don't know how to do this05:35
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Mithrandirkensai: /me <foo>05:35
nanotechdaniels, not at all...because i'm about to ask how to install /compile code05:35
kensai<foo> is suposed to be?05:35
Elimhelp im using a live cd to backup data on a destroyed install but the 10 mb connection is transfering at like 32kb how do i speed it up?05:35
Mithrandirkensai: whatever you do.05:36
Mithrandirkensai: so /me notes he doesn't know how to do this05:36
Mithrandirfor instance.05:36
nanotechoff to read up on make install, and configure05:36
MoofElim: hdparm is probably what you're after..05:36
nanotechand creating my own packages05:36
Elimwhat is it?05:36
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Moofwait, no05:36
Moofmight be what you're after05:36
nanotechthere's this secure relay chat prog i'd liek to package for ubuntu05:36
kensaiwhich is best bithx or irssi?05:37
Elimhdparm is about configuring cdroms/hard drives05:38
Elim:S why do i need this?05:38
kensaiIs there anyway to make ubuntu boot faster05:38
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erminaHi there05:38
Mithrandirkensai: it's the obvious solution, at least: get a faster computer. :)05:38
kensaiNope because mandrake boots faster than ubuntu05:39
erminaanybody knows how to modify gnome menu ??05:39
bob2ermina: applications:/// in nautilus05:39
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Gmailbob2: in other word when is it going to be ready for use?05:40
kensaiIs just that ubuntu load many things not needed at boot time05:40
kensaiLike Raid devices which I don't use05:40
jdubkensai: those aren't the slow bits05:41
jdubkensai: in fact, they're basically no-ops05:41
jdubthe slow bit is hotplug05:41
sihumanubuntu r0x :)05:41
kensaiso which are?05:41
jdubwhich we're going to work on for hoary05:41
sparkesGmail, don't attempt to install hoary, read the subject title, it you install there will be a mass resination of developers05:41
kensaiYeah UBUNTU freaking Rock!!!!05:41
bob2Gmail: when is *what* going to be ready?05:41
bob2Gmail: hoary?05:41
danielsGmail: hoary will be ready for use when we say 'hoary is ready for use'05:41
Gmailwhen will it be usable05:42
danielsGmail: right now, hoary is not ready for use05:42
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Gmaildaniels: i know /topic says that05:42
kensaiisn't hoary planned for testingin december?05:42
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jdubit'll be ready for testing before then05:42
jdubat the moment it's going through syncing insanity05:42
danielsGmail: yes, well the topic does not lie05:42
Gmaillike now jdub?05:43
danielsGmail: it will be ready for testing when the merge is finished05:43
danielsright now, the merge is not finished.05:43
Gmailcrap my mirror went down05:43
erminathanks bob205:44
Gmailmirror.isp.net.au/ubuntu is dead05:44
kensaido the ubuntu devs changed in some ways the debian installer?05:44
Mithrandirkensai: yes05:44
agenteoI've got a problem while tring to mount the floppy, the system tells /dev/fd0 does not exist... actually it does not exist :-) but it was there... I don't know why now it doesn't work...05:44
jdubGmail: um, didn't we just say "no, it's not ready now"?05:44
danielsGmail: i'm sure that mirror will be back up eventually05:44
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kensaiis it right if my ram is 512 to have a swap partition of 512?05:45
Gmailjdub: i didnt change to hoary05:45
Gmaili am using warty its just the server went down05:45
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edwardamIs there a net install for Ubuntu?05:46
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agenteofounded: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 :-)05:49
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kensaiwhich is the distro that has been on your desktop for the mos time and how much time?05:53
kensaiI plan ubuntu to stay for me like 6 months05:53
kensaithen use hoary hedgehog so I will not change from distro anymore05:54
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kensaiKool thing is that hoary hedgehog will use xorg05:55
LinuxJonesCan the Live CD be installed to hd using the Morphix Installer ?05:56
GmailRank  Distribution  H.P.D*05:56
Gmail1 Mandrakelinux 1598<05:56
Gmail2 Fedora 1340<05:56
Gmail3 SUSE 1123<05:56
Gmail4 Ubuntu 1100<05:56
delireGmail: the ubuntu packages server?05:56
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delireGmail: "went down"?05:56
Gmailmanbrake just had a offical final releast05:57
kensaiUBuntu was #3 two days ago05:57
Gmaildelire: yes one of the mirrors05:57
delireGmail: which mirror?05:57
Gmailbut SuSE had an offical resest 2 days05:57
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Gmaildelire: isp.net.au05:57
delireok doesn't affect me (about to install two systems)05:58
bob2LinuxJones: just use the normal cd if you want to install05:58
stvndelire: finally ;)05:58
jordihey dudes05:58
GmailSuSE 2 days ago was 878 HPD05:58
delirehehe yes, convinced now.. the devel packages was a concern05:58
jordiis anyone officially in charge of website mods here?05:58
stvndelire: can imagine, good to know it's ok - might need it in the future ;)05:58
edwardamWhat's the ubuntu opinion of xorg vs xfree ?05:58
danielsjordi: not as such -- what's up?05:59
delirestvn: for sure..05:59
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kensaiedwardam: theres something explaining that in the faq05:59
danielsedwardam: we have been planning to switch for xorg for some time, but didn't have time to switch from xfree86 for warty.  two of us are working on xorg packages now.05:59
jordidaniels: in the local mailing lists webpage, it might be worth adding a note about Catalan.05:59
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LinuxJonesbob2, I am just curious as to whether they Ubuntu dev's will base an installer on that or code a new installer for the LiveCD ?06:00
jordidaniels: you guys tell me how acceptable this is from the Ubuntu perspective: we had a short debate wether a ubuntu-ca would be useful, and most people agreed that debian-user-catalan was more than enough to support ubuntu too06:00
edwardamdaniels, cool.06:00
jdubjordi: ubuntu-ca would be ubuntu canada anyway ;-) ;-)06:01
danielsjordi: talk to jdub about it06:01
jordiso if this is ok with Canonical, it might be worth adding a note, mostly to avoid missguided dudes asking for one06:01
jordijdub: uh?06:01
LinuxJonesjdub, nothing wrong with Ubuntu Canada :)06:01
jordi"If you wish to create a list or a channel in a new language..."06:01
jordiI thought the lists were about languages, ie, using ISo 639 codes06:02
jdubjordi: there was a joke in there06:02
jordioh, ok :)06:02
jordisorry dude, I'm *so* fed up of debating this :)06:02
jdubeven the canadian didn't get it...06:02
bob2LinuxJones: I don't know06:02
jdubjordi: i guess that's alright06:02
Erixis the live cd iso on ftps final release?06:02
jdubjordi: dunno about website though06:03
jordidumb people always keep asking me to rename my stuff to "-catalan" "-cat" or whatever, if I'm using "-ca"06:03
GmailErix: no06:03
danielsGmail: er, are you sure about that?06:03
jordijdub: well, it would add a pointer for Catalan users to the apropriate list.06:03
jordiI need to leave, damn06:04
danielsGmail: the livecd image no longer carries an 'rc' tag, and I'm pretty sure it's final06:04
Erixgmail: is that beta2? it doesn't mention any beta in the name?06:04
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danielsErix: i'm pretty sure it's beta2; ignore gmail.06:05
Erixdaniels: you mena it is beta or not? it looks like final release06:05
danielsErix: er, sorry06:05
danielsErix: 'i'm pretty sure it's final'06:05
stvnErix: it's final06:05
danielsi'm also pretty sure i need to go to bed now06:05
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stvnnight daniels06:06
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Erixok. thanks to all. let me start downloading06:06
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kensaiwhich is the name of the creator of ubuntu?06:06
jordithe question was that, specifically, if a note directing to a non-ubuntu resource should be added in the mailing lists page :)06:07
jdubkensai: mark shuttleworth started the project06:07
jordiThe unoffiial forums are being advertised here :)06:07
jordijdub: in case it's ok, the link is http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-catalan/06:07
kensaihes the one who sold his company in 575 millions?06:07
bob2kensai: he sold thawte for a large amount of money, yes06:08
kensaiThawte Consulting, to Verisign, for US$575 million in late 1999. He appears to be a generous person: after the sale, he reportedly paid bonuses of one million Rand each (about US$163,000 at the time) to every one of his employees.06:09
altanI'm having a problem with RhythmBox, it loads about 5% of my music files then stops loading the rest, but says it is06:09
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kensaiThats being generous enough06:09
oddabe19is there supposed to be a splash-ish boot screen for ubuntu?06:09
jduboddabe19: not in warty, there will be in hoary06:10
oddabe19oh, ok06:10
Gmailok i was told about 12hrs ago it was beta06:10
oddabe19i was confused for a second06:10
oddabe19altan, i have the same problem, i recompiled it, re installed it, with no help, i don't know what it is06:11
jordijdub: well, gotta go. If you can ask this for me, I'd appreciate it.06:11
altandoes sitting around a while to make sure it loads help?06:12
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altanas in, did you try sitting around?06:12
oddabe19yeah, i let it sit for 9 hrs while i was sleeping and at class06:12
jdubjordi: will mail you about it06:12
jdubhey Manny06:12
kensaiwill ubuntu be proted for sparc 64?06:12
Mannyjdub: hi :)06:12
oddabe19i used to have that problem when i ran FC106:12
jdubManny: congrats on removing the distro menu ;)06:12
Mannyjdub: ;)06:13
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Mannyjdub: does adding a new module to CVS (bookmark-applet) require any application process?06:13
jordijdub: danke06:13
Mannyonce, I was told to simply add it06:13
jdubManny: (let's take this to #g-h :)06:13
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jordiManny: oh? the distro menu has been removed in GNOME CVS or what?06:13
Mannyjordi: yes :)06:14
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oddabe19altan, but i really don't know, i'm just gonna wait till a new one is released... or i feel like going cvs... so for the time, i'm using Muine and beep06:14
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kensaiwhy is ubuntu first release 4.10?06:16
jdub2004, october06:16
wannesits released in ocotber 200406:16
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oddabe19altan, I'm downloading .8.7 now, when i compile it and make a .deb, i'll send it to you06:16
oddabe19we can see if that'll work06:16
wannesnext release il be in 2005, april => 5.0406:16
wannes(if i'm correct)06:17
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kensaiKool so what counts is not the version number just the codename?06:18
oddabe19altan, do you want a i686, k7, 386 or 586 pkg?06:19
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oddabe19damn... configure error, this is gonna take longer then i thought06:20
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kensaiso ubuntu really is i486?06:21
bigbrother0074how might i configure RAR as an allowed extension in xchat?06:21
jdubkensai: yes06:21
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kensaibut can be configured for i686 downloading a kernel?06:21
kensaiform apt?06:21
jdubkensai: built to work on i486, but tuned for p406:21
kensaiOhh ok06:22
jdubkensai: there are 686 and k7 kernels available06:22
jdubbut that's different to how the packages were built06:22
willhelp! i have a huge problem on booting x after i have logged in it says my session ended before 10 seconds \unable to read ICE authority file! please help!06:22
kensaiwhat are k7?06:22
jdubnight all06:22
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ukhany chance we will see live CDs for ppc or amd64?06:22
bob2'night jdub06:22
kensaiI have athlon-xp which is best for me?06:22
bob2ukh: if people want to help06:22
bob2kensai: k706:22
bob2will: you used k3b?06:22
LinuxJoneswill, delete the ~/.ICEauthority file and try logging in again.06:22
willbob2> yes!06:23
bob2will: do what LinuxJones said06:23
kensaiOHh so i just download the k7 kernel from apt and it installs flawlessly?06:23
willthanks guys!06:23
willbe back soon!06:23
bob2kensai: no, you tell apt you want it and it downloads and installs it for you06:23
altanoddabe did you try deleting non-MP3 files?06:23
altanI think that might be the problem06:23
LinuxJoneskensai, ya It will modify grub for you as well. Just re-boot into the new kernel06:24
kensaiapt-get install kernel 2.6.8 k7? something like that?06:24
altanwhat's the option to delete items in subfolders too with rm? -R?06:24
oddabe19altan, rm -r06:24
bob2kensai: you need to know what package you want06:24
oddabe19i'll try that06:24
bob2kensai: apt-cache search linux-image k706:24
kensaiand the default kernel will be replaced?06:24
oddabe19rhythm box also freezes on me after a little bit06:24
bob2kensai: no, it is still available06:25
bob2kensai: the default will be the new kernel tho06:25
ukhbob2: ok, thanks.  I'll just have to convince my wife I can borrow her Wintel box while checking out Ubuntu...06:25
bob2ukh: that's what night time is for :-p06:25
ukhbob2: heh  :-)06:25
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kensaiKool I'll try it then . I have to download the kernel source to install nvidia drivers or not after doing that?06:25
bob2kensai: no06:25
bob2kensai: wiki.ubnutulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto06:26
altanoddabe19> altan, rm -r <--- doesn't see them06:26
willLinuxjones: UNABLE to read this file / directory!06:26
altanwith rm -r *.jpg06:26
kensaiSO I have to go trough the same process again?06:26
oddabe19rm -rf *.jpg06:26
bob2kensai: what process?06:26
golan_hi to all... I was wondering if it was possible to apt xine... it is not in multiverse...06:26
bob2golan_: xine is in ubuntu06:26
LinuxJoneswill, easiest is to sudo -s then rm /home/<username>/.ICEauthority06:26
kensaiof installing the nvidia drivers06:26
bob2kensai: have you read that page before?06:26
golan_bob2: not ubuntu for powerPC then...06:27
bob2golan_: yes it is06:27
kensaiyeah I have ubuntu working with my nvidia drivers06:27
willit does not exist06:27
bob2kensai: then just read that page and do what it says06:27
golan_ok bob2 another additional check...06:27
willLinuxjones: the file/dir does not exist in 1st place06:27
kensaiI have already did that06:27
LinuxJoneswill, it is .ICEauthority it is case sensitive are you sure the name is correct06:27
kensaiand I have the drivers working06:27
bob2kensai: then yes, you need to do the trivial work of installing the module package again06:28
kensaibut the apt sources will remain how they were?06:28
willlinuxjones: will try again!06:28
LinuxJoneswill, ok06:28
bob2kensai: how do you mean?06:28
altanstill not working, will spaces in the directory names do that?06:28
bob2altan: rm -r dirname06:29
golan_sorry bob2... apt-cache search xine ... no results with "xine" exact...06:29
kensaithe lines I added for multiverse will remain there so I just need to apt-get it and kaboom it is done?06:29
bob2altan: that will get rid of everything in dirname06:29
golan_no way to run "xine"06:29
altanI have a ton of dirnames to do though06:29
bob2kensai: apt-get what? resitricted-modules? yes.06:29
bob2golan_: I'm on ppc, I see many xine packages06:29
kensaiyeah the nv drivers06:29
golan_I already apt-cache gencaches06:29
golan_yes me too bob2... but none with "xine"06:30
bob2golan_: it's in universe06:30
bob2golan_: ?06:30
bob2golan_: install totem-xine or xine-ui or whatever you want06:30
kensaiI wiil experience good boost with the k7 kernel?06:30
golan_hmmm... isn't universe already in the base system? I also added multiverse...06:30
bob2kensai: no06:30
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bob2golan_: no, it's disabled by default06:30
golan_ouch... it's that!!!! how to enable universe?06:30
kensaithen it is not worth the installation06:30
bob2kensai: yes, I know06:31
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golan_hmmm... maybe already an answer within faqs?06:31
bob2it might have extra hardware support or something, tho06:31
bob2golan_: yes06:31
willLinuxjones: all working now, thanks!06:31
golan_thanx a lot!!! I'll go doing that...06:31
bob2golan_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto06:31
LinuxJoneswill, np ;)06:31
golan_:) bob206:31
bob2golan_: or just uncomment the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update"06:31
kensaithen whats the point of having the k7 kernel if it does not boost performance?06:31
bob2it can give a bit of a performance boost06:32
bob2and people will whine if it's not there06:32
kensaiOK then I'll try it06:32
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kensaithanks for everything bob206:33
bob2you're welcome06:33
bob2try it and see if you can notice the difference ;)06:33
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kensaiyeah maybe a 0.03% boost will be noticed LOL06:34
kensaihow do I edit the things that boot on ubuntu cause when booting it starts some things I don't really use06:35
kensaiis there a way of doing this?06:35
bob2ubuntu uses sysv init like every other linux distribution06:36
jonoanyone use festival here?06:36
altanthis is ridiculous, isn't there a way to remove stuff in directories that have spaces in the names?06:36
golan_bob2: everything ok now... thanks a lot! :)06:36
kensaiso how do I edit it?06:36
altanmanually deleting them seems really antithetical to the whole Linux thing06:36
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bob2kensai: sysv-rc-conf06:37
bob2altan: erm, of course06:37
bob2altan: rm -r "whatever blah blah"06:37
bob2golan_: you're welcome06:37
altanrm -r *.jpg didn't work06:37
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kensai#sysv-rc-conf ?06:37
bob2kensai: it's a package, dude.06:37
altanbob2 it's about 40 spaced directiies with more spaced directories in each of them06:37
bob2altan: "didn't work"?06:37
altandidn't work06:37
bob2altan: define that06:37
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kensaiI install it from apt06:37
bob2altan: since "rm *" gets dirs with spaces for me06:38
attitudeIs bugzilla down for ubuntu06:38
altanhere's an example, Music/King Crimson/In The Court Of The Crimson King/albumart.jpg still exists when I run the command from Music06:38
altanthe command I'm entering is rm -r *.jpg06:39
bob2ok, you need to understand how globs work06:39
attitudeI have founnd a bug and need to report it06:39
bob2your shell expands "*.jpg" when run in Music to include all the filenames in Music itself that match *.jpg06:39
altandoesn't the -r command look in the subdirs beneath it though?06:40
bob2attitude: working for me06:40
bob2altan: yes, but your *shell* expands *.jpg, not rm06:40
bob2altan: you want something like: find -name "*.jpg" -type f06:40
attitudebob2: said it could not be found06:40
attitudelet me try again06:40
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bob2altan: which will print out all the files (type f) whose names match "*.jpg" (-name)06:41
altanyeah, that's useful06:41
bob2if you're happy with the output, run this command: find -name "*.jpg" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm06:41
altancan I plug this in to rm somehow?06:41
bob2like that06:41
bob2but make sure you're completely happy with the first run06:41
helixhooray for find + xargs06:41
bob2no second chances :)06:41
altanwhat should I put in xargs? rf?06:42
bob2attitude: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com06:42
altanor just type xargs as it is?06:42
bob2that command I gave will delete them06:42
altanall right, thanks06:42
altanawesome! rhythmbox works06:43
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attitudebob2: Looks like it was safari so i started to use firefox06:47
bigbrother0074what would i use to open a rar file w/?06:47
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TerkI have a stupid problem....06:48
costinhaits possible mount htfs partitions in ubuntu?06:48
TerkI have overriden the default backspace function by mistake... When messing with my media keys06:48
bigbrother0074costinha: i believe so, but i'm a newb too06:48
TerkNow I don't know how to get the default back ...06:49
Terki'm really stupid... :-P06:49
costinhaanyone know htfs module for ubuntu?06:49
oddabe19altan, sorry to bring this up again, but would you like the 0.8.8 version from debian unstable?06:51
altanno thanks, it works06:51
altanoddabe, try removing non-media files from the directories06:52
altanit works for me06:52
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WWHello world.06:52
izaacwasup WW06:52
oddabe19thanks... I have a whole folder just for music, but, I have a subdirectory for guitar tabs and chords, that couldbe mesisng it up06:52
oddabe19i'll try that06:52
attitudehave a good one guys06:52
WWHow can I find all the protocols availabel in nautilus?  E.g. applications:///, burn:///, etc/06:53
ploumHmm.. This is boring. Famd keeps me from unmounting HD partitions :-(06:54
lupus_WW, in the help doc?06:54
tolstoyWW, good question!06:54
altanhttp://img77.exs.cx/img77/5479/error.png <--- I did get this error though, but that's probably something to do with the extraordinarily long filename or something06:54
WWlupus_: I'm not in Ubuntu right now... is it in the help that I get by clicking on the life preserver icon?06:55
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TerkCan anybody help me with my weird backspace problem?06:55
TerkI have overriden the default backspace function by mistake... When messing with my media keys06:55
TerkNow i can't get it back!06:56
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TerkI know it's silly06:56
TerkBut I can't find out06:56
lupus_WW,it's in the help of nautilus06:57
WWlupus_: Thanks! I'll check it out.06:58
lupus_I notice that I can not copy paste from the help file06:58
lupus_can someone verify this?06:59
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Terklupus: Yes you're right06:59
kensaiwhy is glxgears so slow in ubuntu?07:00
lupus_Terk bleh then I have to open a bugreport :)07:00
kensaiis there problems with glxgears cause it runs slow but Unreal tournament runs jsut Fine07:01
TerkMaybe you can help me with getting default backspace functionality back07:01
TerkI messed up while config. my media keys07:01
WWkensai: There's a brief discussion of glxgears in the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148407:02
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altanwow, I just plugged my new digicam in, I'm impressed at not having to do anything and at the usefulness of the import interface :)07:04
bob2yeah, it's pretty cool07:04
altani haven't used a digicam on Linux before, but sometimes installing drivers on Windows was a pain, and the interface was really basic, just thumbs without anything else07:04
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kensaiOk I see glxgears is not a trusted benchmark07:06
aLi`altan ne dion ya :P07:06
altanhoo sen nereden ciktin vatandas07:06
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altananyway merhaba, but let's keep it in english and not alienate the rest of the channel :)07:07
aLi`fazlamesai den ciktim altan #fazlamesai07:07
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attitudeAny ideas on the time line for the next release?07:08
bob2erm, 6 months07:09
attitudebob2: that long07:09
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bob2attitude: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule07:09
bob2attitude: 6 months for a major new release is really really really quick07:10
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aLi`i get an error on bootin up that says "inserting hw_random,, no such device?07:10
attitudebob2: it was just a little jokey a little humor ;)07:10
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utisWhere is a good place for a polite request to include a package into universe?07:12
bob2attitude: ah, heh07:13
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bob2aLi`: it's ugly but harmless07:13
attitudeI need a nap07:15
aLi`bob2: i dont wanna get tihs error. how can i fix, disable, or invisible it??07:15
WWbob2: I nothing _nothing_ about hotplug stuff, but I have heard about blacklisting modules.  Can the hw_random module be blacklisted, to avoid that boot error?07:15
WW(Ah, one _nothing_ would have been enough...)07:15
bob2I'm pretty sure WW is right07:16
bob2but I haven't tried it07:16
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bob2you can just add hw_random to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to test07:16
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Gmailbob2: shouldnt you be sleeping?07:17
WWbob2: I'll have to try that when I get home.  And maybe try something similar for the i823650/yenta errors.07:17
bob2Gmail: at some point07:19
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urukhaii wonder if anyone could help me...07:24
izaacurukhai: we cant help you if we dont know your problem first07:25
urukhaiubuntu install worked fine, but it won't go into X, the screen remains blank.07:25
urukhaii changed the vesa driver to vga in XF86Conf07:25
urukhaiwhich worked more or less, but 640x480x8 is ugly07:26
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urukhainow i cant figure out what went wrong... i've got an Ati X800, and vesa driver worked fine in other debian-based distros...07:27
spiv_urukhai: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug07:27
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urukhaiokay thanx, i'll give it a try...07:29
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ionsyesterday I was here asking about an Internet connection that was dropped.  Restarting the cable modem fixed this but only temporarily, the connection was shortly dropped again.  Any ideas?07:33
manuel_Hi all! Do you have a link were i get tips to get my wireless card(Centrino) working?07:35
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wannesions: bad cable ?07:35
wannesor bad modem :)07:35
bob2manuel_: it's not working out of the box?07:35
ionswell this happened after doing a apt-get upgrade07:36
ionsit worked consistently fine previous to that07:36
aLi`i have centrino 1.5 cpu.. which is better for me, linux-i386 or linux-686 image?07:36
ionswannes: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2250&highlight=update+ssh for a more complete explanation of the problem07:37
vrlnaLi`: afaik 68607:37
manuel_bob2: no. the card was detected, but it will not work...07:38
bob2manuel_: "will not work"?07:38
wannesions: have you got a spare router ?07:39
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wannesif your box keeps it's connection to the router, but the router loses it's connection to the internet07:39
manuel_bob2: I cannot establish a connection.07:39
ionsno not spare but I do have one I can sacrifice for a short test I guess07:39
wannesthen it's not an ubuntu problem, but a problem with your provider ...07:40
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ionsI was thinking the same thing but hoping for a better solution :\07:40
bob2manuel_: you can't associate?07:40
ionsI use the same ISP, the Ubuntu box is my neighbours.07:40
ionsI have no problems, but I do use a router07:41
funkytwighaving a promlen geting apache to work, installed apache-common and appache-util but have no /etc/init.d/httpd07:41
ionsthe Ubuntu machine ran fine for a couple weeks until I did the upgrades07:41
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urukhaiwah, doesn't work07:41
urukhaithe system hangs up when starting gdm07:42
bob2funkytwig: instal lthe "apache2" package.07:42
urukhaictrl-alt-del won't even work07:42
manuel_bob2: i can set the details like ESSID and KEY with iwconfig. But than it doesn't connect. the wireless-gnome-applet says "no wireless device"07:43
funkytwigbob2:is that wise - I thought there were issues with threading and people generaly used apache107:43
urukhaidoesnt anyone have another advice?07:43