[12:00] <mirak_> lol....im on xchat......yes i am on the internet
[12:00] <ions> ogra: all "route" says is 'Destination   Gateway   Genmask   Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface'
[12:00] <Cor-Bob> does ubuntu have support for mice with forward and back buttons?
[12:00] <stvn> mirak_: could have been a different machine ;)
[12:00] <mirak_> stvn, realized that after the post......sorry
[12:00] <stvn> :)
[12:01] <ogra> ions: worse than i thought
[12:01] <ions> yay! :\
[12:01] <mirak_> can you help?
[12:01] <stvn> mirak_: you didn't adit the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:01] <stvn> edit
[12:01] <mirak_> i havent even touched my computer since about 5 mins after the last time i used synaptic
[12:01] <mirak_> so no
[12:02] <stvn> mirak_: and now synaptic doesn't want to reload?
[12:02] <mirak_> stvn, nope
[12:02] <stvn> mirak_: error being?
[12:02] <Cor-Bob> is it possible to use non-standard repositories, say to get packages like irb and other ruby ones that aren't in the standard repository...
[12:03] <mirak_> stvn, i get this from apt-get :E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:03] <mirak_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:03] <stvn> Cor-Bob: yes, but on own risk
[12:03] <Cor-Bob> is there anywhere I could find a link or something to one...
[12:03] <stvn> mirak_: are you sure that you don't have synaptic, aptitude, apt-* running somewhere?
[12:03] <ogra> ions: is the ip you see from ifconfig valueble i.e. nor 10.0.0.1 or so
[12:03] <Cor-Bob> I really need more packages in order to get irb and rubygems:(
[12:04] <mirak_> stvn, hmmmm....let me check
[12:04] <stvn> Cor-Bob: you checked universe and multiverse?
[12:04] <ions> yeah - it's a valid IP
[12:04] <Cor-Bob> how do I do that...
[12:04] <stvn> Cor-Bob: did you change anything in synaptic after install?
[12:05] <Cor-Bob> just removed the cd as a repository
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, problem solved....synaptic was hiding on my gaim desktop
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: heh
[12:05] <stvn> Cor-Bob: start synaptic
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, i fell stupid...but thnx
[12:05] <stvn> Cor-Bob: add the universe repository
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: shit happens ;)
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, i suppose
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: had the same problem quite sometimes, doing killall aptitude and everything to get rid of it ;)
[12:05] <Cor-Bob> didn't think I could add the greyed out repositories
[12:06] <stvn> Cor-Bob: it is possible, just cross the square ;)
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> hmmm I can't find irb...
[12:07] <stvn> Cor-Bob: what is the exact name of the progam?
[12:07] <mirak_> stvn, aptitude....that is the package manager that list the packages by type?.....err....groups them?
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> irb
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> that's what it's called
[12:07] <stvn> Cor-Bob: interactive ruby?
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> irb1.8...
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> yeah
[12:07] <ogra> ions: try: sudo route add default eth0
[12:08] <ogra> ions: or whatever your if-name is
[12:08] <stvn> mirak_: snaptic can do that as well, but aptitude is the ncurses deb manager
[12:08] <stvn> Cor-Bob: do reload, it's in universe
[12:08] <mirak_> stvn, ncurses....??? is that a yes?
[12:08] <ions> ogra: k, brb
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> ah hah
[12:09] <stvn> mirak_: ncurses is a text based gui
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> thank you stvn
[12:09] <stvn> mirak_: ideal for ssh and other terminal only session
[12:09] <stvn> Cor-Bob: np
[12:09] <mirak_> ahhhh
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> unfortunately I will have to boot into windows:(
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> I have to fix my usbkey, and remove the encryption layer
[12:09] <mirak_> stvn, ever use YOPER?....it has synaptic...and something else...what is that?
[12:10] <stvn> mirak_: but in synaptic you can change 'history' to 'sections'
[12:10] <stvn> Cor-Bob: good luck, don't know much about encrypted usb keys
[12:10] <mirak_> stvn, ooo...that works.....thnx
[12:10] <stvn> mirak_: never used it, but it might be dselect *shudder*
[12:11] <mirak_> stvn, changing history to sections is just what i was looking for......thnx
[12:11] <stvn> np
[12:11] <mirak_> stvn, forget about that thing yoper uses
[12:11] <vertical_98> When I try and play a MP3 in Music player is says no plugin, is there a quick and braindead way to set it up?
[12:11] <mirak_> yup
[12:12] <mirak_> do you have the universe enabled?
[12:12] <[Phaedrus] > what window manager are you guys using?
[12:13] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : the default one, metacity
[12:13] <mirak_> stvn, thnx
[12:13] <xenonite> lol "do you have the universe enabled"
[12:13] <stvn> mirak_: it's nice to see other ppl feeling confident to help (I only use ubuntu for a few days now)
[12:14] <mirak_> [pheadrus] , gnome....with a bit of xfce4
[12:14] <[Phaedrus] > how is that working for you mirak_? xfce4?
[12:14] <mirak_> stvn, well its something i know how to do....so i figure i can take some load off the vets
[12:14] <vertical_98> mirak: Thanks
[12:14] <ions> ogra: sudo route add default eth0 did nothing but I also checked ifconfig while I was there again and it's borked
[12:15] <stvn> mirak_: true, but becomming a vet is easy here, the first release is only days old ;)
[12:15] <ions> I had checked it before I rebooted before and it was fine - I had not checked it after the reboot until now
[12:15] <ogra> ions: do you know what kind of modem he has ?
[12:15] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , its fine......i like it......but i found myself back on gnome the last few days, but i think it is preconfigured....i dont really feel like setting up stuff in xfce4 at the momen
[12:15] <ions> the model?  No but I can check
[12:16] <mirak_> stvn, i was talking linux vet.........but i am trying to learn.....
[12:16] <[Phaedrus] > i've been wanting to try xfce4 for a while now.... we'll see how it goes
[12:16] <ions> brb - checking modem model
[12:16] <stvn> mirak_: [Phaedrus] , you can change the default DE in computer>>system configuration>>ogin screen setup
[12:16] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , its really good.....much better than kde.....if you have booted PHLAK....it uses xfce4
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > stvn: i dont have ubuntu installed yet
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > i'm still waiting for my pressed cds
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : ah ok
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : that'll take a while
[12:17] <mirak_> stvn, [phaedrus] , you can also do it from the log in screen
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > i am at the moment in India and unfortunately the internet connection here isnt very co-operative for a download
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : ah ok, 'they' say late november
[12:18] <Cor-Bob> if I have enabled universe in synapti, can I use apt-get install to install a bunch of things from universe...
[12:18] <[Phaedrus] > dang it!
[12:18] <stvn> Cor-Bob: yes
[12:18] <mirak_> beet me to it
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : you can't get a box to do bittorrent?
[12:18] <Cor-Bob> k good cause I have a big long command that will get everything I need, and it's a pain to try and read the packages from it and find them in synaptic
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : bittorrent can handle unstabel connections
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : so does wget for that matter
[12:18] <[Phaedrus] > stvn: they dont even have  broadband in this side of the world
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : true
[12:19] <ions> ogra: RCA DCM 245
[12:19] <ogra> ions: hmm brand ?
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : how much time do you suppose it'll take to send a CD from .nl to india?
[12:19] <[Phaedrus] > i cant wait to get back to canada, and that's not going to be for another month... so i guess ubuntu might have to wait for a while...
[12:19] <ogra> ions: any idea =
[12:19] <ogra> ?
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : hehe
[12:20] <[Phaedrus] > maybe 10 days stvn
[12:20] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , canada,,,india....why are you in india?
[12:20] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : I could send you my CD, I don't need it anyway
[12:20] <ions> RCA is the brand
[12:20] <ogra> ions: oh
[12:20] <ions> aka Thompson
[12:20] <[Phaedrus] > mirak just visiting friends, mostly for my brother's wedding
[12:21] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , ahh.....kk....tell you bro GRATZ, from the ubuntu room
[12:21] <[Phaedrus] > that's a very nice offer stvn, quite generous, but its okay. If i really get impatient, i'll call my friend in Canada and make him download and send me a copy
[12:21] <[Phaedrus] > thanks mirak_
[12:21] <mirak_> :)
[12:22] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : where do you live?
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > Burgundavia, i live in Canada, just a little off at the moment
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > so you are from netherlands stvn..
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > what about you mirak_?
[12:22] <xenonite> hi, the gnome session manager stores the opened file manager windows, right? what about the web browser windows?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : where abouts in Canada
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > Burgundavia: ottawa, ON
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > nice nice..
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > Go Go Canucks!
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[12:23] <ions> Burlington, ON
[12:23] <vertical_98> It works!!  Many Thanks Mirak
[12:23] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , what about  what....where i live.....in USA....michigan...just south of detroit
[12:23] <Cor-Bob> [Phaedrus]  I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no hockey this year
[12:23] <mirak_> vertical_98, dont forget to thank stvn, and you welcom
[12:24] <mirak_> cor-bob, rolf
[12:24] <vertical_98> Thanks stvn!
[12:24] <[Phaedrus] > yeah Cor-Bob, i heard about the strike... quite disappointd
[12:24] <stvn> np
[12:24] <Cor-Bob> nad besides calgary kicked vancouvers ass last year
[12:24] <Cor-Bob> s/nad/and
[12:24] <[Phaedrus] > that's right!
[12:24] <vertical_98> quit
[12:25] <ogra> ions: could you run "dmesg" right after plugging out/in the modem to see if the driver is loaded properly
[12:25] <ions> oh! good idea!  k brb
[12:25] <Cor-Bob> so apparently jessica simpsons boobs are real, at least according to ashlee simpson, I don't want to know how she knows that.
[12:26] <mirak_> ???.....
[12:26] <stvn> poor guy, never have more than an armslength between the irc channel and the faulty computer
[12:27] <ogra> stvn: ions ?
[12:27] <[Phaedrus] > heh... that's funny stvn
[12:27] <stvn> ogra: yeah
[12:27] <[Phaedrus] > so, here's a question.
[12:28] <ogra> stvn: he updated his neighbors pc.....
[12:28] <grenshad> hi
[12:28] <[Phaedrus] > What's so different about where ubuntu is heading now, compared to what Redhat tried to do, and ended becoming monstrously bloated?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : one cd rather than 4
[12:28] <housetier> where is ubuntu heading now, [Phaedrus] ?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> choosing one program
[12:29] <Elim> i have just registored with your cd distrobution service will it send the cds now or do i have to login then request them? :S(it asked me how many i wanted so i presume the will send them now but i dont know
[12:29] <[Phaedrus] > yeah, redhat is scary.. just simply scary
[12:29] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : it's debian based, it has a big brother to forward those pesky users to ;)
[12:29] <ogra> Elim: they will ;)
[12:29] <Elim> they will send them now? great!
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > now, as in a month
[12:30] <ogra> Elim: not sure if _now_ but they will send them ;)
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > How is this project being funded?
[12:30] <Elim> ive just ordered a hub to daisy chain my adsl router (so i can now have inet access on my mac :D)
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > if they can afford to ship out free cds and stuff?
[12:31] <Elim> sponsour
[12:31] <Elim> http://www.canonical.com/
[12:31] <Elim> thats their sponsour and the site looks almost identical
[12:32] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : Ubuntu is made by Canonical who is funded by Mark Shuttleworth
[12:32] <Elim> they are backing open source projects to help the linux community florish or something to that effect
[12:32] <Burgundavia> think 2nd space tourist, creator of Thawte security
[12:32] <[Phaedrus] > what do they get in return?
[12:32] <ogra> and hbd
[12:32] <Cor-Bob> does ubuntu use XFree86, or Xorg?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Canonical funds a number of debian and gnome devs
[12:33] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : you !!
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: xfree86
[12:33] <xuzo> Cor-Bob: xfree, xorg is planed to hoary
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: switching to xorg for Hoary
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > Cor-Bob: that question is answered in the FAQs... xfree86 for now, x.org later
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > ogra: Should I be scared? :)
[12:33] <Cor-Bob> oh ok
[12:33] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : as a community member ;)
[12:34] <Cor-Bob> well I guess XFree86 has gotten better since the last time I tried linux
[12:34] <Cor-Bob> I used to get artifacts all over the place
[12:34] <Elim> what does canonical actually produce software wise? (i dont mean sponsoured projects)
[12:34] <ogra> Elim: isnt ubuntu enough 8)
[12:35] <ions> ogra: unplugging the modem and plugging it back in fixed it
[12:35] <Elim> they dont make it they sponsour it
[12:35] <ogra> ions: yay
[12:35] <ions> I restarted and it worked fine
[12:35] <Elim> they are a company what do they make themselves?
[12:35] <ions> thank you for your help ogra !!
[12:46] <ogra> inos: wasnt me : http://cable-modems.org/q&a/index.php?one_question=334 *g*
[12:46] <ions> :)
[12:46] <ions> so my lesson is never run apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <mirak_> ions, stay away from synaptic smart upgrade then
[12:46] <ions> are apt-get update & apt-get upgrade alright to run
[12:46] <ions> ?
[12:46] <ogra> ions: no, your lesson was always restart your cablemodem first ;)
[12:46] <mirak_> yes.....but so is dist-upgrade
[12:46] <ions> I tried to run synaptic by ssh -x but it crashed
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: Canonical started up in order to create Ubuntu and sponsor further development
[12:46] <ogra> ions: ssh -x sudo synaptic ?
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, so where does canocial get its funding?
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: there are some other projects in the works, but they're not public yet
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: don't get too hung up on the "sponsored" distinction, the core Ubuntu team are all Canonical employees right now
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > "Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products..."
[12:46] <ions> yeah
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: and hopefully will be ;)
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, you work for canocial?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> mirak_ my understanding is that it's all funded by a millionaire that wants to see linux get onto every desktop
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: the boss is Mark Shuttleworth, who made his millions from Thawte and has been funding free software development since then
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: yes, I do
[12:46] <theantix> before the Ubuntu preview release was out, canoncial's website had a glimpse of what they else were working on :-)
[12:46] <Kamion> ogra: I'm not suggesting that we might get fired, more that others might join the core team
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> so there is no way to get ubuntu onto a computer with no cd-rom drive or usb ports is there...
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, kk......and ubuntu get money from canocial, and canocial get funding from a millionare?
[12:46] <lifeless> see Kamion, are you meant to be motivated by fear or something :)
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: if the box can PXE-boot, you can try that
[12:46] <Kamion> lifeless: speak for yourself :-)
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: but i think a canonical core is important for giving the direction
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> PXE-boot?
[12:46] <lifeless> lol
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: boot off another box on the same network
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I have a pcmcia network adapter, and a parallel port cd-rom...
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > mirak_: Ubuntu is influenced by Canonical, which is a company of some millionaire
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: some Ethernet cards / BIOSes support it
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I don't even hav a network setup:|
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: oh, that's probably too much of a nightmare then
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> it's a MMX 266 MHz laptop
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: floppies are targetted for the next release ... do you have another Unix system installed on the same box?
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: right, other funding options are being actively explored too
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> no right now I'm on windows 98 on here
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> and hating every minute of it
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: well, you could install some other distro with floppies, then use the instructions in the installation manual to switch to Ubuntu ...
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: (I'm assuming you have a floppy drive!)
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> does it matter how recent the distro is?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I do, I can install red hat 7.3 from the cd-drive using the old-cd drivers
[12:46] <Elim> cor bob me 2 my hard drive had bad sectors... had to go back to my 2nd hd :(
[12:46] <Elim> win 98 :( arrh!!
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: that should be fine
[12:46] <Elim> ordered another one thankfully
[12:46] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: why don't you pull the hdd out of the machine and put it in another more recent machine. Install ubuntu and update it. Then rip it out and place it in the old macine and hope kudzu can find it
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > Cor-Bob, you sure a 266mhz machine can handle linux with Gnome?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> yup
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html for reference
[12:46] <jdub> 266mhz is not a problem for GNOME
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> ty Kamion
[12:46] <jdub> lack of memory is ;)
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: i'm on my way for NM, but still looking for my niche i fit best (which at the moment is to help here) ;)
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> [Phaedrus]  it runs red hat 7.3 fine
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> it's the 2 megs of video memory that I'm worried about
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> but apparently the only issue it'd have with windows xp is the drivers for the cd-rom
[12:46] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: and that xp is bloated, so your 266 would crawl
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> oh I know it would
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> my desktop is slow, and that's a 1 GHz celeron
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I noticed I can watch videos in full screen in linux while compiling, but not in windows while doing nothing else
[12:47] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: I am currently running ubuntu with gnome on a 675 Duron and have no problem. Surfing the web is a little slow, but that is also cause I am ripping oggs, listening to same, and have a few other things open
[12:48] <LeeColleton> how do I install Ubuntu from a USB drive?
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... i have a 266mhz sitting here and collecting dust... i wonder if i can put it to some good use...
[12:48] <Cor-Bob> I have no problem with ubuntu, it's windows that bothers me
[12:48] <dep> how work [Phaedrus] 
[12:48] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton: wait until hoary comes out
[12:48] <dep> in you pc of 266mhz..
[12:49] <Cor-Bob> I have an easier time viewing WINDOW media files under linux than I do in Windows Media Player
[12:49] <Cor-Bob> when is hoary slated for release?
[12:49] <Burgundavia> april
[12:49] <LeeColleton> The way I did it last time was by installing Debian and then Ubuntu
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > So, Mark Shuttleworth is quite lenient towards Africa
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > interesting..
[12:49] <LeeColleton> I was just wondering if there was a quicker way
[12:49] <michel_v> yo
[12:50] <Elim> hi
[12:50] <Kamion> [Phaedrus] : well, he *is* African
[12:50] <Burgundavia> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule
[12:50] <[Phaedrus] > is that so? that would make a lot of sense. Thanks Kamion
[12:50] <michel_v> when sshd fails to start, where can I find about the error it encountered?
[12:50] <Cor-Bob> oh right he's the guy that went up in space
[12:51] <Burgundavia> michel_v: you can try dmesg
[12:51] <michel_v> dmesg doesn't hold such info
[12:51] <michel_v> (I tried)
[12:51] <zimba> hello
[12:51] <mirak_> is ubuntu installable from floppy???.......other than installing debian frum floppy...then moving to ubuntu?
[12:52] <zimba> did somebody get eclipse to work on ubuntu '
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > how old is he Kamion?
[12:52] <manuel_> zimba: yes, i did
[12:53] <Burgundavia> Mark Shuttleworth bio: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html
[12:53] <stodge> Anyone know of a package for MonoDevelop
[12:54] <sabmoc> stodge yep
[12:54] <Rexioo> hi all
[12:54] <stodge> Which repos?
[12:54] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: how come i dont get to go into space?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> stodge: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[12:55] <sabmoc> ^ that one
[12:55] <stodge> Cool thanks
[12:55] <Burgundavia> stodge: distribution ./
[12:55] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Hey, what about me too?
[12:55] <zimba> manuel_, I'm looking in multiverse for the java package
[12:55] <stodge> Burgundavia: sorry don't understand your last comment
[12:55] <sabmoc> i think u might need to have universe as well, not sure
[12:56] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: dude! lets go to space!!
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: in your sources.list the distribution column is ./
[12:56] <stodge> Ah ok :)
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: our if you use synaptic
[12:56] <manuel_> zimba: oh, i installed it on my own. Download java from java.sun.com and then eclipse.
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: leave sections blank
[12:56] <stodge> I see - thanks!
[12:56] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: you got 40mil?
[12:57] <JB80> anyone know how bad this thing is gonna break when i add debian to my sources? there just aren't enough packages available
[12:57] <Burgundavia> stodge: I think you need to get mono, non-dev from universe though
[12:57] <zimba> manuel_, thx :)
[12:57] <Burgundavia> JB80: no, but dont click mark all upgrades if you  have debian unstable or testing
[12:57] <JB80> i dont click
[12:57] <stodge> I installed a number of MOno packages through Synaptic
[12:58] <Burgundavia> JB80: I haven't had any problems expect running out of space for synaptic to read the repos
[12:58] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: what! 40mil?
[12:58] <Angel666> any idea how long its supposed to take in the second stage of install when its displaying the following msg "Creating device node /dev/raw1394"
[12:58] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: 20mil/person
[12:58] <sabmoc> WHAT!
[12:58] <Craigory> Hello all.  I've been a Debian Sid user for some time now, and I wanted to try the Ubuntu Live CD.  Unfortunately, my machine crashes when booting from the CD.  No live CD (Knoppix, Gnoppix, etc) has ever booted my machine into X without a crash.  Any ideas?
[12:58] <JB80> i didnt think upgrading was an option but every debian package i install upgrades major libs
[12:58] <sabmoc> that is so unresonable
[12:59] <amathis> Hawkwind has been telling me great things bout' ubuntu.
[12:59] <manuel_> zimba: for eclipse you have to set JAVA_HOME in .gnomerc in your home
[12:59] <Cor-Bob> how do I set the hostname to be something other than my ip adress...
[12:59] <limaunion> does anyone know why the ov511 driver doesn't work properly ?
[12:59] <Burgundavia> Craigory: if you just want to upgrade, on the ubuntu wiki there is a clear upgrade path laid out
[12:59] <Cor-Bob> I ran hostname last time I booted, but it reverted on a reboot:(
[12:59] <Hawkwind> Cor-Bob: That is only a temp fix.  Look for something like /etc/hosts maybe ?
[01:00] <[Phaedrus] > Craigory, if every live CD crashes, there is probably a good reason for it
[01:00] <[Phaedrus] > starting with IRQ issues, to bad Memory.. the possibilities are endless
[01:00] <ogra> Cor-Bob: Computer->System Tools->Network
[01:00] <stodge> Try adding the following as kernel options in Grub:      noapic nolapic
[01:01] <Craigory> You mean upgrade Sid -> Ubuntu?  That's an interesting option.  I agree about there being a good reason.  My hardware is funky (nforce).  However, Debian has been running fantastically for me for a long time now.
[01:01] <Burgundavia> Craigory: yep
[01:01] <Kamion> amathis: as in the band?
[01:01] <amathis> Kamion, ?
[01:02] <Kamion> Hawkwind
[01:02] <GotD0t> anybody have any experience using cdrdao?
[01:02] <Craigory> I wonder... is the reverse Ubuntu -> Sid possible?  Furthermore, I use lots of weird packages from "universe", especially related to the Ocaml programming language.  Should I expect those to be working with Ubuntu?
[01:02] <amathis> Kamion, no, he is a user.
[01:02] <Hawkwind> Kamion: No I don't get my nick from the band
[01:02] <JB80> you cant upgrade sid to ubunto, all the packages are ancient compared to sarge, much less sid
[01:02] <[Phaedrus] > What on earth is Sid?
[01:02] <amathis> (perhaps named after a band)
[01:02] <Kamion> amathis: oh, I didn't notice the user. :-)
[01:02] <Echramath> [Phaedrus] : Debian Unstable?
[01:02] <JB80> ubuntu even
[01:02] <stodge> Wow MonoDevelop actually runs! First time I've managed to compile and run any developed programms in Ubuntu! :P
[01:02] <[Phaedrus] > ah
[01:02] <amathis> :P
[01:02] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : sid is debian unstable
[01:02] <amathis> Kamion, I currently run slackware
[01:02] <Echramath> Sid is the boy in the Toy Story who breaks toys.
[01:03] <ogra> Hawkwind: do you say ubuntu if i play you backwards ?
[01:03] <amathis> Kamion, I was looking for a distro that had a good package system, but was not overly userfriendly like mandrake or RH
[01:03] <amathis> Kamion, because when I try to compile something on those distros.. it is hell
[01:03] <[Phaedrus] > Echramath, that's what I thought... or my friend who has the same name
[01:03] <Elim> i hate public speaking, id rather be pelted with rotten vegetables than do public speaking.
[01:04] <[Phaedrus] > amathis: so you like a good challenge?
[01:04] <stodge> Anyone know how to fix this error when using Anjuta to build a Gnome app?   config.status: error: cannot find input file: intl/Makefile.in
[01:04] <Kamion> Craigory: either direction will require some work
[01:04] <amathis> [Phaedrus] , yes :)
[01:04] <Kamion> Craigory: we're ahead of sid in some cases and behind it in others
[01:04] <GoneBoB> stodge: looks like it hasn't run autoconf properly
[01:04] <Craigory> Well, I could "downgrade" to Ubuntu with a little more effort, probably.  Mostly I just want the "just works" aspect of the Ubuntu Desktop, as well as some of the Gnome tweaks like the trash applet.
[01:04] <ogra> stodge: build-essential installed ?
[01:04] <stodge> I think it all is
[01:05] <stodge> Yes it is installed
[01:05] <Angel666> now my install is locking up right after the "starting pcmcia services" anyone else have this issue?
[01:05] <stodge> gonebob: what can I do about that?
[01:05] <Craigory> Thanks for the tips guys.
[01:06] <brad> will ubuntu install and run on something as old as a pentium 75?
[01:06] <GoneBoB> stodge: hm, actually Makefile.in should be there.. something is broken
[01:06] <GoneBoB> brad: I wouldn't recommend it
[01:06] <JB80> no brad, you need something lighter
[01:06] <Hikaru79> If I want to UNinstall the Java SDK after I've installed it, is it enough to simply delete the files? Or is there a special uninstallation procedure
[01:06] <GoneBoB> running GNOME on a P75 is not a good idea
[01:06] <GoneBoB> I mean, you can DO it
[01:06] <stodge> Looks like it - don't know how to fix it
[01:06] <[Phaedrus] > brad, it would choke and burn
[01:06] <letheus> Does anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen? If you understand?
[01:06] <Cor-Bob> :) my usb flash key works under ubuntu with very little configurlation
[01:06] <__daniel> sleep tight
[01:06] <GoneBoB> Hikaru79: deletion is fine, unless you installed a package, in which case you can just remove it
[01:07] <Echramath> brad: I suggest no gui for a P75.
[01:07] <brad> ya ive got it installed on my desktop here but i just came up on an old p75 lookin for something to do with it
[01:07] <Echramath> brad: And no Linux at all under 32 megs.
[01:07] <GoneBoB> Cor-Bob: yes :)
[01:07] <GoneBoB> brad: bin it :)
[01:07] <GoneBoB> unfortunately the need for hardware like that has (IMHO) decreased to close to 0
[01:08] <Echramath> If it's silent, it's an useful firewall maybe.
[01:08] <GoneBoB> when you can buy a hardware based router such as the linksys that will run linux anyway and has no moving parts etc and costs SFA
[01:08] <jdub> the linksys wrt54g and wrt54gs
[01:09] <JB80> brad. put vector on that P75. it'll work with some modifying
[01:09] <GoneBoB> jdub: yeah I have a WRT54GS, $155 AUD
[01:09] <kensai> I've installed gtk-gnutella and it isn't conecting to nothing. I need to add something to for it to connect?
[01:11] <letheus> Does anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen?
[01:11] <Echramath> Most likely Debian will also run on a P75.
[01:11] <brad> cool, i'll figure out something to do with it, thanks for the help
[01:13] <weswh-> i wonder if linux will ever get to the point where you have to have spyware/adware/virus scan apps installed. being that it is open source it's different...but who knows, seems like there would still be malicious parties out there. i guess its harder to tack on malicious programs to others...plus the system in general being more aware/secure
[01:14] <Echramath> weswh-: The main reason might be the diversity off Linux distros and programs and users with clue.
[01:15] <GoneBoB> weswh-: they do exist
[01:15] <GoneBoB> but as Echramath said
[01:15] <GoneBoB> the diversity is so great that it's hard to attack all of them
[01:15] <GoneBoB> even if you target a specific distribution
[01:15] <GoneBoB> there can be many different configurations
[01:15] <HWolf> Can someone give me a solution for changing the permission on about 600 files from 'root' to 'users'?
[01:16] <GoneBoB> chown users *
[01:16] <GoneBoB> ?
[01:16] <mirak_> cany ou do that?
[01:16] <GoneBoB> what exactly do you need done
[01:16] <GoneBoB> yes you can
[01:16] <mirak_> :)
[01:17] <HWolf> I copied my music collection from my ntfs read-only disk (where I can't change permissions) using root, to a directory in home.
[01:17] <ogra> GoneBoB: he wants to access th efiles on his ntfs
[01:17] <HWolf> Now every file of my music collection has owner: root, group root. SO I can't play them.
[01:17] <ogra> HWolf: won'T help to chown
[01:17] <GoneBoB> ogra: no, he's copied them to home
[01:17] <ogra> ouch
[01:18] <ogra> sorry
[01:18] <ogra> so chownis fine
[01:18] <GoneBoB> yeah
[01:18] <GoneBoB> if they are in directories
[01:18] <HWolf> they are.
[01:18] <GoneBoB> chown -R user * will do it
[01:18] <HWolf> sorted by artist, then album.
[01:19] <HWolf> so to change /home/music and everything in it to users I run 'chown -R user /home/music' ?
[01:20] <GoneBoB> where 'user' is your user
[01:20] <GoneBoB> yeah
[01:20] <zimba> manuel_, I was able to build a java1.5 package with this page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/
[01:21] <HWolf> Thanks.
[01:21] <HWolf> works.
[01:21] <HWolf> Can't live without music. :-)
[01:21] <GoneBoB> :)
[01:21] <ogra> HWolf: who can ?
[01:22] <Echramath> The deaf.
[01:22] <HWolf> The tasteless.
[01:22] <ogra> Echramath: ok thats a point
[01:22] <GoneBoB> the dead.
[01:22] <HWolf> :-P
[01:22] <HWolf> GoneBoB: Since when do the dead live?
[01:23] <GoneBoB> HWolf: do you not watch movies?
[01:23] <GoneBoB> it happens all the time
[01:23] <HWolf> I've got a friend who is into the paranormal, but even he talks about spirits, not zombies. :-)
[01:23] <GoneBoB> :)
[01:23] <zimba> do you know if ubuntu will support php5 '
[01:24] <mirak_> how to use a .run file?
[01:24] <mirak_> ss?
[01:24] <mirak_> ss <filename> ?
[01:24] <GoneBoB> zimba: I would say that hoary (the next release) will have php5
[01:25] <GoneBoB> mirak_: sh 'file.run'
[01:25] <GoneBoB> or chmod +x file.run
[01:25] <GoneBoB> ./file.run
[01:25] <letheus> does someone know how to get to the theme-chooser from the terminal?
[01:25] <GoneBoB> gnome-theme-manager
[01:25] <axehat> I just put in a new basic 32mb video card into this machine I am working on. It has an onboard adapter I was previously using. It boots up normally and shows the boot process, and when it dumps to the X server for the auto-login the screen goes blank with a green power LED on the monitor. I rebooted and chose to go into the recovery console, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out?
[01:25] <mirak_> gonebob, thnx
[01:26] <zimba> GoneBoB, thx, and release cycle is every 6 monthy no ? (and warthog has just been released)
[01:26] <GoneBoB> axehat: X probably things that you're using the old card
[01:26] <GoneBoB> zimba: yes that's correct
[01:26] <TheMuso> axehat: Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure your card.
[01:26] <axehat> Right, and I put the monitor back on that adapter and the same problem. I'm assuming I have to edit some config file?
[01:26] <GoneBoB> axehat: dpkg-reconfirfure xserver-xfree86
[01:26] <axehat> Alright, thanks.
[01:27] <GoneBoB> oh
[01:27] <GoneBoB> heh
[01:27] <Craigory> Is "universe" similar to testing or unstable or what?
[01:27] <TheMuso> Craigory: Universe is Debian unstable frozen back in June I think.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> Craigory: universe is similar to testing as of ~ 6 months ago
[01:27] <TheMuso> Or debian testing.
[01:28] <mirak_> yeah.....universe is a freeze
[01:28] <letheus> thanks
[01:28] <mirak_> how to enable root password.....i need to use su
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: sudo passwd
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: sudo -s
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: will act like su
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: But if you really need su, use 'sudo passwd' to set a root passwd
[01:29] <Craigory> Ok.  Does Ubuntu modify Universe to better work with Ubuntu, or is it a copy?  I ask I'm interested in mixing unstable and ubuntu. (obviously I won't be surprised if there are serious problems)
[01:29] <mirak_> brettcar, thnx.....it asked for my su pass in a pop-up window during a install.......but i will just use sudo sh
[01:29] <mirak_> vrettcar, i didnt think to do that till just now
[01:30] <HWolf> How good are the chances of me getting a random windows program to work under ubuntu?
[01:30] <TheMuso> Craigory: All packages in Universe are a copy of Debian testing but built against a Ubuntu base.
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> HWolf: as good as any other distro
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> using wine
[01:30] <brettcar> Craigory: There will be serious problems
[01:30] <TheMuso> Craigory: So you are not able to mix unstable with it. I suggest to grab the unstable sources and rebuild against Ubuntu.
[01:30] <weswh-> i just installed...everything went fine. now I am in Gnome - and the mouse is acting absolutely crazy (usb mouse)...hard to explain...i can hold it up in the air and move it around, and the cursor jumps all around, things are clicked...etc.
[01:30] <HWolf> hrdwrBoB, I've never tried it on any distro. :-)
[01:30] <brettcar> Craigory: libc etc etc in Ubuntu was from testing and not unstable, and mixing unstable debian packages will freak it out
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> Craigory: I have personally mixed unstable and ubuntu without problems, however that was only for mythtv
[01:30] <weswh-> anyone seen anything like that?
[01:31] <TheMuso> As I said, if the packages are not system critical, you should be able to grab any standard app in unstable, and any newer dependancies if need be and rebuild them against Ubuntu for your own use. I have done that for a couple of things.
[01:32] <geppy> I'd like to install extendedprefs for GAIM, but I'm unable to, as it uses libtool, and I don't have anything else installed with it, so all of the environment variables and such are undeclared.  What should I do?
[01:32] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: why, its in multiverse
[01:32] <TheMuso> geppy: Why not install libtool?
[01:33] <geppy> TheMuso: I did, but I'm getting things like "extendedprefs.c:553: error: `GAIM_MINOR_VERSION' undeclared here (not in a function)"
[01:33] <Craigory> Ok.  Interesting.  What are the chances that just adding warty to my sources.list and executing "apt-get dist-upgrade" will hose my system? (:  Sounds like about 100%.
[01:33] <geppy> TheMuso:  (tons and tons of things like that)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: a few months ago it wasn't
[01:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: so youre a sounder guy.....
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> I installed ubuntu about.. 20 times :)
[01:35] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: i did more than 20...and not one reinstall for several noobs tha are really happy without virii *g*
[01:35] <HWolf> Wine is still alpha? It's been around for ages, hasn't it?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> HWolf: wine is ... interesting
[01:35] <[Phaedrus] > alright folks... i'm off
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> it has been around for years
[01:36] <weswh-> no one has ever had mouse problems after install?
[01:36] <[Phaedrus] > later guys
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> many applications work, many don't
[01:36] <ogra> HWolf: so has windows ;)
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: what mouse and how is it setup
[01:36] <HWolf> It's my best chance tho?
[01:36] <geppy> HWolf:  Yes.
[01:36] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: what port is it connecting to?
[01:36] <geppy> HWolf: Unless you want to run games with Cedega.
[01:36] <GotD0t> i cant do cdrecord -scanbus
[01:37] <HWolf> It's just my own bit of software. :-)
[01:37] <weswh-> hr - well it's a microsoft optical, ps2 (going through a KVM)...previously in a gentoo install it had no problems...
[01:37] <weswh-> jumping randomly all over the screen, clicking things, opening programs...and i have not clicked a mouse button. I can move the mouse up 1 inch, and have it jump all over the screen, clicking 4 times in the process..
[01:37] <ogra> GotD0t: sudo ?
[01:37] <weswh-> (i just finished the install)
[01:37] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: wrong driver
[01:37] <GotD0t> ogra tried with and without
[01:37] <GotD0t> ogra: same error
[01:37] <HWolf> My MS Optical is working great. I've got middle-mouse, just not the thumb and little finger button. Out of the box
[01:38] <weswh-> phae - interesting...i'd think it could handle standard ps/2
[01:38] <ogra> GotD0t: sudo modprobe sg ? probably
[01:38] <[Phaedrus] > i'm sure it could, just try a different driver
[01:38] <weswh-> so, being that i basically have no mouse control...how do i go about trying to get the right driver loaded?
[01:38] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[01:38] <weswh-> is there a keyboard shortcut to exit out of gnome and get to console?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: crtl+alt+F1
[01:38] <weswh-> oh...duh.
[01:38] <weswh-> hehe
[01:39] <weswh-> sometimes we forget the basics ;)
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> not me ;)
[01:39] <axehat> OK. I did the dpkg-reconfigure and I told it to use the SiS driver. Starting X gives me "XIO: fatal IO errors 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining."
[01:39] <weswh-> so is this something i need to modprobe more or less?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> weswh-, Can you plug it directly into the computer and try the PS/2 port ?
[01:39] <Kamion> TheMuso,brettcar: We branched Ubuntu from unstable, not testing.
[01:39] <Kamion> (on 28 June)
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: put the contents of /var/log/Xfree86.0.log in pastebin.com
[01:40] <weswh-> i could - however...the box was working fine with the current setup a few days ago..before i installed ubuntu.
[01:40] <weswh-> it's not a port issue (knock on wood)
[01:40] <weswh-> phae - could you give me any help, on how to find the right driver and get it applied, through console?
[01:41] <axehat> Popping that up in vi shows nothing in it. Is pastebin.com in /var/log ?
[01:41] <weswh-> (if i am in a vc, fix the problem..i should then be able to go back into gnome...and have it work...without having to restart it, right?)
[01:41] <ogra> is the guy with the as400 clinet still around ?
[01:41] <weswh-> btw - what vc is x-windows? 7?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: pastebin.com is a website :)
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: 7
[01:41] <axehat> Okay, heh :D
[01:41] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: could you try connecting the mouse directly to the port, before we go on with more adventures?
[01:42] <axehat> But if the file is empty what am I putting there?
[01:42] <tolstory> Is lamont here?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> weswh-, You can throw away that KVM and use >> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to control your other computers over your local lan usign your KB/Mouse :)
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: there should be an X log file in that directory
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> have a look
[01:43] <weswh-> phae - sure thing.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> LinuxJones: except that it doesn't work if they don't have a monitor
[01:43] <Craigory> Kamion, are you sure Ubuntu branched from unstable; not testing?  If so, I think I may have some success mixing Ubuntu and Unstable packages.  If not, I would have to rebuild from source, which would be a pain for more than 1 or 2 packages.
[01:44] <mirak> i just installed about 15 apps from synaptic...i dont remember the names of them....and they arent in the menu.....is there any way to auto add them to it?
[01:44] <axehat> Ah, I was not including the capital 'F'. I am talking here on my PowerBook, how should I go about copying that log into the pastebin.com website?
[01:44] <jdub> Craigory: definitely a branch off sid. :)
[01:44] <ogra> Craigory: what are you missing ?
[01:44] <jdub> Craigory: we actively discourage mixing of debian and ubuntu repos.
[01:45] <GotD0t> can anybody help me get cdrdao working...
[01:45] <jdub> mirak: if they have menu items, they will be added automatically
[01:45] <GotD0t> mirak: once you restart X i believe...
[01:45] <LinuxJones> HrdwrBoB, Ya I guess :P
[01:46] <mirak> jdub, gotdot, kk.....looks like im bumed out
[01:46] <[Phaedrus] > thanks weswh-
[01:46] <Craigory> jdub, just investigating my options.  Maybe universe has all that I will need, but there are some esoteric Ocaml packages that have been released since June that I would like to hang on to.
[01:46] <jdub> Craigory: stuff can be fixed in universe if it's just build issues in the way
[01:47] <weswh-> it works when connected directly.
[01:48] <weswh-> so, there is a kvm driver/correction of some sort?
[01:48] <Craigory> Also, I want to migrate unstable to ubuntu because installing ubuntu from scratch would be very difficult on my hardware.  No installer has ever "just worked" for me.
[01:48] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'm hiding... :-)
[01:48] <mirak> anyone know how to launch beneath-a-steel-sky?
[01:48] <tolstoy> lamont_r, I was just wondering if you could give me some pointers on how I can help you with sbcl. ;)
[01:49] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I can certainly send you the logfile from the build attempt, and the mailing list has the necessary config to (hopefully) reproduce the failure
[01:49] <tolstoy> lamont_r, for instance, I can download the stuff in "universe" and see if I can compile it.
[01:49] <lamont_r> then we just need a patch for that, and all should be happy
[01:49] <tolstoy> lamont_r, okay. Well, I don't know what the stuff on the mailing list means, so praps I'll just thrash some more.
[01:50] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'll also see if I can get it to build on hoary, which may work better - dunno what shape sbcl was in on June 28
[01:50] <weswh-> it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?
[01:50] <Craigory> Thanks all.
[01:51] <tolstoy> lamont_r, me either. ;)  I'll see if I can find where that error message occurs, if nothing else.  prob needs an additional package installed is what I'm thinking.
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > any luck weswh-?
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: it could be a wrong detection by Xserver...
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > there have been times when my microsoft mouse worked better with a logitech driver
[01:52] <tolstoy> lamont_r, should I work on the 8.15 version you have in /universe?
[01:54] <tolstoy> D'oh!
[01:54] <weswh-> phae - plugged in directly it works fine
[01:54] <weswh-> so it's a kvm issue..
[01:54] <weswh-> it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?
[01:55] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-, somebody here made a suggestion to use synergy instead of KVM
[01:56] <weswh-> phae - that doesn't help me on the monitor issue
[01:56] <zimba> ruby package is outdated.. what can I do to help ?
[01:56] <[Phaedrus] > i've never really used KVM before... so i'm a bit clueless here
[01:57] <geppy> I use a KVM, never had any trouble, for what it's worth
[01:59] <weswh-> geppy - bottom line is, when i connect to the KVM all of the sudden i go haywire :)
[01:59] <weswh-> maybe i had a loose connection or something
[01:59] <weswh-> i will try plugging back in
[02:00] <amathis> ubuntu uses debian pkg manager right?
[02:00] <Kamion> amathis: yes
[02:00] <weswh-> nope, plug into the KVM and it goes mad
[02:00] <amathis> does ubuntu have X installable from install?
[02:01] <amathis> err, XFree
[02:01] <amathis> or xorg
[02:01] <[Phaedrus] > Xfree
[02:01] <ogra> amathis: warty == xfree, hoary == xorg
[02:01] <amathis> is ubuntu easy to set up for a workspace?
[02:01] <[Phaedrus] > i wonder if there could be a bot made to pick up questions, and paste from the FAQ
[02:02] <amathis> I am about to install something else, and I want to install something that I will enjoy.
[02:02] <ogra> amathis: the easyest distro currently ;) me thinks
[02:02] <amathis> is it a graphicl install? or like slackware.
[02:02] <[Phaedrus] > Amathis: the installation procedure says nothing about being on the command line, and doesnt extend more than a few easy steps... i think that speaks for itself
[02:03] <amathis> [Phaedrus] , I have no problem with installing from command line
[02:03] <amathis> so it has a graphical partioner?
[02:03] <amathis> because I want to save /home
[02:03] <Kamion> amathis: X is in the default installation
[02:03] <[Phaedrus] > i'm just saying, its a easy interface
[02:03] <amathis> and I have never done that using fdisk.
[02:03] <Kamion> amathis: no graphical partitioner, but it's a text-based user interface, not fdisk
[02:03] <amathis> I don't wanna lose music and files.
[02:03] <amathis> ok.
[02:04] <amathis> does it actually use the debian servers? or just the program
[02:04] <ogra> amathis: sets up nearly everything automatic...
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: it's neither a graphical installer nor like Slackware. :-)
[02:04] <amathis> ogra, I don't want it to format /home
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: doesn't use the Debian servers, no
[02:04] <amathis> oh.
[02:04] <tolstoy> lamont, I know you're not there, but whoo-hoo! reproduced your error.
[02:04] <amathis> does it have a lot of packages?
[02:04] <HWolf> ugh, If I want to install a theme, I have to select the .tar.tgz file with 'install theme' right?
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: use the "Manual partitioning" option, you can carve up the partitions how you like
[02:05] <amathis> because one thing I hate about slackware is the lack of packages
[02:05] <Kamion> amathis: 2000-odd supported, more unsupported ones in 'universe'
[02:05] <Kamion> see the web site
[02:05] <amathis> ok, I think you have convinced me.
[02:05] <amathis> anyone got any screenies?
[02:06] <Kamion> there've been some going round on various web sites, don't have links to hand
[02:06] <Kamion> google would probably find 'e,
[02:06] <Kamion> 'em
[02:07] <Kamion> yes, google for "ubuntu screenshots"
[02:07] <kensai> how to configure gnome to just have 1 desktop not 4 despktops that I can change to?
[02:07] <jdub> kensai: right click on the desktop changer
[02:07] <jdub> choose preferences
[02:07] <jdub> then reduce the number of workspaces :)
[02:07] <kensai> what a moron I am sorry and Thanks I was a KDE user
[02:08] <jdub> nah, 'sok :)
[02:08] <kensai> But I'm liking Gnome so far
[02:08] <jdub> cool
[02:08] <jdub> what do you like?
[02:08] <kensai> it is faster and less buggy
[02:09] <kensai> kde has so many bugs
[02:09] <Echramath> Btw, I appreciate that The Gimp is called "The Gimp" and not "Image editing".
[02:10] <kensai> LOL good detail ^
[02:10] <Echramath> well, not only that detail.
[02:10] <Echramath> My gf installed Suse and everything seems to be named that way.
[02:10] <stodge> Unfortunately Gnome don't seem to want anyone to develop apps with Anjuta or create bindings using Glade..... Spent days trying to compile something with both of these - zero success. At least kdevelop was much easier. One small benefit to KDE :)
[02:10] <kensai> yeah
[02:11] <kensai> I wish my girl friend changes to Linux
[02:11] <jdub> my fiancee uses Ubuntu at work :)
[02:12] <[Phaedrus] > is she a geek kensai?
[02:12] <kensai> she tells me she love the penguin but does not want to change cause she only use the pc for university work
[02:12] <kensai> no shes just a reg user
[02:13] <kensai> But I feel I can change her pc to Linux ones her dell warraty runs out
[02:13] <Kamion> my girlfriend's hard disk is way too small for Ubuntu, sadly
[02:13] <kensai> how many GBs?
[02:13] <GotD0t> can anybdoy help me get cdrdao working?
[02:13] <Kamion> may just buy her a new one, although I kind of fear for the state of the rest of the system, too
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: what are these "gigabytes" of which you speak? :-)
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: more like 200MB
[02:14] <kensai> HDD
[02:14] <kensai> OHH LOL
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: sarcasm
[02:14] <Echramath> Well, you can you that drive to boot.
[02:14] <kensai> Ohhh
[02:14] <jdub> Kamion: you should swap the hard drive for a bigger compact flash card... ;)
[02:15] <GotD0t> kamion: my PDA has 32 mb less than her HD built in
[02:15] <Echramath> Any hard disk with ball bearing is unuseable for desktop use anyway.
[02:16] <letheus> How can i change style/theme in fluxbox?
[02:16] <kensai> GotDOt: LOL
[02:17] <GotD0t> Kamion: and with the SD card its got 440mb more than
[02:18] <GotD0t> so, any help with cdrdao?
[02:18] <mirak> letheus, right click.....its in there somewhere
[02:18] <mirak> letheus, styles maybe?
[02:21] <letheus> mirak, Well, i have installed them, but i don?t know hoe to activate them
[02:23] <stodge> Absolutely bizarre - Anjuta won't even compile a simple C++ app
[02:26] <Hikaru79> Hey, I'm having some problems getting Java to run on my comp o_O
[02:26] <Hikaru79> Can anyone offer some help?
[02:26] <letheus> mirak, Rightclick? I?ve got three options: Xterm, restart, exit :)
[02:27] <tolstoy> is there a way to list the contents of an installed package without having the deb on your disk?
[02:27] <tolstoy> nevermind.
[02:28] <GotD0t> does anybody know anything about SCSI emulation?
[02:29] <mirak> OMG....super mario rpg
[02:29] <mirak> letheus, fluxbox right......give me a sec...ill log into that
[02:29] <letheus> ok
[02:30] <Kamion> stodge: g++ is installed, right?
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: yeah
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: you shouldn't need it
[02:30] <mirak> letheus, ok...im in fluxbox now
[02:31] <letheus> mirak, ok
[02:31] <Tufek> hi everyone..i need fast adres for ubuntu linux download..do you know that?
[02:31] <stodge> yes
[02:31] <Kamion> Tufek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/, pick closest mirror to you
[02:32] <Hikaru79> Can anyone help me with my Java installation?
[02:32] <Kamion> dieman: hm, I think I lost your request to add a mirror to the web site; could you mail it to me?
[02:32] <mirak> letheus, when i right click i get apps, games, help, screen, windowmanagers, xshells, configure, styles, workspace, reconfigure, restart, exit
[02:32] <stodge> g++ and g++-3.3 are installed
[02:32] <pbook> has anyone installed mac on linux?
[02:32] <Tufek> Kamion, Kamion is that place fast?
[02:32] <letheus> mirak, well, i only get Exit, Restart and Xterm
[02:33] <Kamion> Tufek: uh, it's a mirror page, it's not big
[02:33] <mirak> latheus, hmmm....maybe try to reinstall it.....
[02:33] <Kamion> Tufek: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/ should be reasonably quick for you for CD image download
[02:33] <mirak> letheus, idk <.............newb
[02:33] <letheus> mirak, ok
[02:33] <Tufek> Kamion, thaks a lot :)
[02:33] <stodge> THis is just odd
[02:34] <Kamion> Tufek: P.S. it's polite to say where you are for questions like that so that we don't have to use /whois
[02:34] <GotD0t> HrdwrBoB: then why does cdrdao not see my device?
[02:34] <mirak> i installed kde (stupid).....is there a fast way to get rid of all things kde related?
[02:34] <pbook> what's the best gnome program you guys know about?
[02:35] <mirak> for?
[02:35] <Hikaru79> pbook, for what purpose?
[02:35] <stodge> remove a core KDE library?
[02:35] <pbook> for running music mixes
[02:36] <pbook> i've tried to get mac on linux working so i can use itunes
[02:36] <pbook> but it doesn't seem to work
[02:37] <pbook> has anyone had luck getting mac on linux to run on ubuntu?
[02:41] <j0hn> hi
[02:41] <GotD0t> hi
[02:44] <LinuxJones>  /msg NickServ LinuxJones LinuxJones
[02:45] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:46] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: do you have any clue why cdrdao doesn't see my burner?
[02:48] <Nigelenki> still no nuvola :)
[02:48] <Nigelenki> ok, I set my keymap as qwerty, but i have dvorak
[02:48] <Nigelenki> I have X set up right, but how do I fix the console
[02:49] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, your issuing cdrdao scanbus and it's not finding anything ?
[02:49] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nope, nada
[02:50] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, what does ls -al /dev/cdrom output ?
[02:50] <GotD0t> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            3 2004-10-20 18:46 /dev/cdrom -> hdd
[02:50] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, was it working @ some point ?
[02:51] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: never tried using it before
[02:51] <tolstoy> Can anyone point this noob to "how to make a patch"?  Not sure which diff command to use, etc.
[02:51] <brettcar> tolstoy: diff file1 file2
[02:52] <brettcar> tolstoy: diff file1 file2 > outfile.patch
[02:52] <tolstoy> brettcar, that looks easy.  Do I have to be in a certain directory?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, put a cdrom in there (with something on it) and see if it auto mounts
[02:52] <brettcar> tolstoy: No it will operate on the files your point to and output to your current directory
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, In other words, I have a tarball, unpack it, go down several levels, add a line or two to a file.
[02:53] <brad> sorry to ask such a stupid question, but is there an easy way to mount my NTFS partition read only ?
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, I'd like to create a patch you can apply at the top level of the source.
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, well, I'll experiment.
[02:53] <brettcar> tolstoy: then run patch from the top level
[02:53] <tolstoy> ok.
[02:54] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nothing... thats odd, they used to auto mount
[02:54] <Kamion> brettcar: please always use diff -u
[02:54] <brettcar> Kamion: Tell tolstoy that :)
[02:54] <Kamion> tolstoy: ^-
[02:55] <Kamion> plain diff stops being useful as soon as the file you're applying it to changes much at all
[02:55] <stodge> Some mailing list posts instruct people to roll back gettext to 0.11 or 0.10. Wonder if the version in Ubuntu doesn't work properly?
[02:55] <Kamion> tolstoy: to diff directories, use 'diff -ru'
[02:56] <Kamion> tolstoy: if new files are involved, use the -N flag as well
[02:56] <letheus> I re-installed Fluxbox 4 times, but still i only get 3 options: Exit, Restart, Xterm.
[02:57] <Zindar> letheus: try one more time! :)
[02:57] <Zindar> no.. just kidding.. shouldn't matter how many times you reinstall :)
[02:57] <letheus> Zindar, Oh, i was just about to do it
[02:57] <pbook> anyone running mol?
[02:58] <letheus> This is annnoying
[02:58] <jdub> letheus: reinstalling just puts exactly the same files on your disk :)
[02:58] <Zindar> haha.. you've used windows to much :)
[02:59] <tolstoy> Kamion, thanks.
[02:59] <letheus> jdub, I had the same problems with other WM?s and an re-installation helped
[02:59] <letheus> Zindar, you talk too much
[03:00] <tolstoy> Kamion, okay, the patch looks like the diff.gz applied to the original sbcl, so maybe that's it.
[03:01] <kensai> what is speedo that loads in xfree86?
[03:01] <letheus> Maybe i should try installing blackbox instead
[03:02] <kensai> I'm going to clean my xfree86
[03:02] <kensai> is it safe to remove Load speedo?
[03:03] <ficusplanet> I have an interesting problem.  My parent's HP desktop has onboard video that has apparently crapped out.  Does anyone know how I can get thing to pick up on the new PCI video card?  If I can fix this, it will be one more Ubuntu box out there on the Net.
[03:04] <jdub> most likely a bios setting
[03:04] <weswh-> probably disable it in bios
[03:05] <ficusplanet> jdub, Yeah.  That's hard to do though, without video.
[03:05] <GotD0t> hmm... question, should i not be able to print a flash window?
[03:06] <ficusplanet> I guess it might be a good time to upgrade.
[03:06] <limaunion> hi, could somebody compile nvidia's driver for a 2.6.9 kernel ? I'm getting some 'wrong kernel source' error.
[03:11] <tolstoy> patch generation advice anyone?
[03:12] <hftz> so...
[03:12] <tolstoy> I have tarball
[03:12] <hftz> when should i expect my cds?
[03:12] <tolstoy> I make changes to code in tarball
[03:12] <tolstoy> then I diff against tarball.orig?
[03:12] <hftz> oh
[03:12] <hftz> topic
[03:12] <hftz> nevermind
[03:17] <kensai> how can I start nautilus-cd-burner it is not in the gnome menu
[03:17] <kensai> ?
[03:17] <jdub> kensai: the burn: location will pop up when you insert a blank disc
[03:17] <JanneM> open a nautilus window
[03:17] <jdub> kensai: you can also get to it from the Places menu in nautilus
[03:17] <JanneM> in "places" menu there should be cd creator
[03:18] <tolstoy> Hm. My diff seems to think it's a "reverse".
[03:18] <kensai> places menu?
[03:19] <kensai> Ok it is burn///
[03:20] <ubiq> hi people
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> hey
[03:22] <weswh-> does having scroll lock on in gnome cause the mouse to act differently for anyone>?
[03:23] <ubiq> how do i check the md5sum while in windows?
[03:24] <georgia> ubiq: there are lots of programs to do that, a quick search on google will turn up several
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.etree.org/md5com.html
[03:24] <limaunion> ubiq: this is the right program: http://digestit.kennethballard.com/
[03:25] <ubiq> ok, thanks a lot gyus::)
[03:25] <limaunion> right=best
[03:27] <weswh-> is there any way in Gnome to "shift" the horizontal image over a little bit? For some reason my monitor (lcd) shows windows perfectly centered, but Gnome a little off to the right side - both running at 1280x1024@60hz - so it will only remember one setting for the resolution...yet for whatever reason they don't both center.
[03:28] <weswh-> maybe there is a slight difference in the hz or res or something that is causing it...or perhaps there is just a simple software adjustment?
[03:29] <xskoulax> weswh-: i have a similar problem, you can fix it by auto adjusting your lcd
[03:30] <weswh-> auto adjusting it everytime you go to one or the other?
[03:30] <xskoulax> yea
[03:30] <xskoulax> just a case of hittin a button and waiting maybe 2 seconds
[03:30] <weswh-> yeah
[03:31] <xskoulax> i'd imagine its easier then trying to fix it anyother ways
[03:31] <weswh-> hrmm, except I just did an auto and it overwrote all of the tweaks i've done to make it look good.
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[03:31] <JanneM> there is an app xvidtune you can use
[03:31] <weswh-> (just got the monitor today)
[03:32] <JanneM> it will give you a amodeline you can use in your X config file
[03:32] <weswh-> is there an easy way to access the x config file through GUI?
[03:32] <xskoulax> JanneM: does that let you specify the offset or sumpthing?
[03:32] <JanneM> not for this kind of thing, no
[03:32] <weswh-> i looked under the config editor..and didnt see anything for x
[03:33] <JanneM> xskoulax: it's fully interactive
[03:33] <JanneM> you probably have it already
[03:33] <JanneM> it's part of the standard X installation
[03:33] <xskoulax> i might have to look at then when i next do an install on my desktop
[03:33] <weswh-> so i have to go to console and sudo edit the file?
[03:33] <JanneM> yep
[03:33] <JanneM> and you need to know how to edit it
[03:33] <tolstoy> lamont_r, I posted a patch to the devel list. hope it woiks. ;-)
[03:33] <JanneM> not trivial
[03:33] <JanneM> but it does fix this kind of thing
[03:34] <weswh-> so xvidtune is not a graphical tool?
[03:34] <JanneM> it is
[03:34] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'll try it and upload if it fixes it.
[03:34] <JanneM> weswh-: but to make the change permanent, it needs to go into the config file
[03:34] <JanneM> or you'll just run xvidtune every time which is even more work than resetting your monitor every time
[03:35] <weswh-> gotcha
[03:35] <tolstoy> lamont_r, okay. thanks for your help.  this is all pretty new for me, this patch/diff stuff. ;)
[03:36] <lamont_r> heh
[03:37] <kensai> who here is running gmail in evolution or thunderbird?
[03:37] <xskoulax> the following question is a little off topic but i'd imagine there are people here who could answer, anyone know of any good websites with guides teaching html+css?
[03:38] <ultrafunk> xskoulax: simplebits.com is a nice place to start looking
[03:38] <xskoulax> thx ultrafunk
[03:38] <kensai> xskoulax; www.htmlgoodies.com
[03:39] <xskoulax> thx kensai
[03:39] <xskoulax> now to fire up bluefish ;)
[03:39] <weswh-> janne - i am looking in synaptic for xvidtune - don't see it...is it in another collection of software?
[03:41] <JanneM> weswh-: you probably have it installed already
[03:41] <JanneM> weswh-: it is part of the X install
[03:42] <JanneM> weswh-: go to a terminal (or the app running thing), and run "xvidtune"
[03:42] <kensai> how does one configure libgmail once it is installed to work?
[03:47] <wes_> it got quiet in here..
[03:57] <dancen> has anyone installed Eterm? i'm trying and it keeps telling me to install LibAST, which i already did
[03:58] <LinuxJones> hi everyone, so quiet :)
[03:58] <dancen> hola
[03:58] <GotD0t> how do i open the nautilus cd burner folder?
[03:58] <kensai> burn///
[03:58] <kensai> thats the folder
[03:58] <kensai> at terminal you can wrtie nautilus-cd-burner
[03:58] <GotD0t> thanks
[03:59] <GotD0t> kensai: not if it already had files in it
[03:59] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  did you fix your cdr problems ?
[04:00] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nope
[04:01] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i can burn through nautilus... but ive always been able to do that. cdrecord still doesn't see my burner
[04:01] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  yikes did you post to the ubuntu mailing list, that night help :(
[04:02] <kensai> how can I take a screenshot of my sexy Ubuntu desktop?
[04:02] <GotD0t> computer > take screenshot
[04:02] <dancen> computer - take
[04:02] <dancen> nm
[04:03] <snarf> let me see it when your done ;p
[04:03] <dancen> :P
[04:03] <kensai> LOL sorry I didn't see it
[04:04] <thursday> hello all
[04:04] <GotD0t> hi
[04:05] <thursday> is it possible to make a boot script interactive? accept input from user ? and possibly only wait for 3 seconds before timing out?
[04:07] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: cdrdao tries to acces /dev/cdrecorder... i accidently linked that to the wrong device, how do i change the link
[04:08] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  (sudo -s) then >> rm /dev/cdrecorder
[04:10] <GotD0t> thanks
[04:10] <nathanieldelaney> how do i get tux racer?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> nathanieldelaney, apt-get install tuxracer
[04:13] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i think i might have gotten it
[04:13] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: success
[04:13] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, how ;)
[04:14] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: was linking to the wrong thing
[04:14] <GotD0t> uh oh... read buffer capacity failed...
[04:14] <GotD0t> is that baed?
[04:14] <GotD0t> bad*
[04:14] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, linking to the wrong device will not work no :P
[04:15] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: no, i meant the error telling me the read buffer capacity failed
[04:18] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, that is probably normal (if you have sent the wrong type of info to the wrong type of device)
[04:20] <Zubthemaster9> hello?
[04:21] <lifeless> hello
[04:21] <GotD0t> hi
[04:21] <Zubthemaster9> ahh, thought I typed the channel in wrong ^^
[04:21] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, I don't know , I am loaded drunk....atm  :)
[04:21] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: well i tested the CD and it works
[04:22] <Zubthemaster9> can someone tell me how to add an app to the menu?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> sorry, I suck with gnome ^^
[04:23] <Burgundavia> Zubthemaster9: does it not do it automatically?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> nope
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> should it?
[04:23] <Burgundavia> have you logged out and in since you installed it?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> hmm
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> no, ^^
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> should I?
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> worked :)
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> oh one other thing
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> erm
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> this may sound stupid
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> but
[04:25] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, If the cdreader works in read mode it 's a problem with R/RW mode add a  link to bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> there are no stupid questions Zubthemaster9 :)
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> I kinda closed the terminal before a program finihsed installing.. now I can't install over it or uninstall
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> and I wanna see how UT works under linux, so I am i9n a bit of a pickle
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> ehehe
[04:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: its not a bug... cdrdao was just trying to write to a non-existant drive
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> Zubthemaster9: if you go to /usr/local/games (iirc)
[04:26] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, so you fixed it ?
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> and rm -r ut2004 or similar
[04:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: yes
[04:27] <Zubthemaster9> went there, there is only one file
[04:27] <Zubthemaster9> named uninstall
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> so where the thing was supposedly almost installed
[04:28] <dieman> Kamion: i put it on the wiki
[04:28] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, so was it a user action  that caused the fault ?
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> there is only a shell script
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> called uninstall
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> which I can't run for somer eason
[04:29] <blahrus> so is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_64
[04:29] <nathanieldelaney> i tried apt-get install tuxracer and got "E: package tuxracer has no candidate"
[04:29] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i guess
[04:30] <kurtw> Hello gang
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[04:30] <Zubthemaster9> hi
[04:30] <blahrus> does anyone know?
[04:30] <blahrus> so is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_64
[04:30] <wm_eddie> now go?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> nathanieldelaney: this means that it's referred to but doesn't exist. do you have the universe reposiutory enabled ?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> blahrus: not sure, sorry
[04:31] <nathanieldelaney> i'm not sure, how can I look into that?
[04:31] <nathanieldelaney> in synaptic package mgr?
[04:31] <Cygnia> blahrus:I just installed java a few minutes ago, so yes on that one.
[04:32] <kurtw> Looking for a HOWTO configure subversion in Ubuntu.  Setup in SuSE was pretty easy but I am new to a 'non-rpm' distro.
[04:32] <blahrus> Cygnia: where did you get it for?
[04:32] <blahrus> from*
[04:32] <blahrus> Cygnia: sorry back
[04:32] <Cygnia> blahrus:follow the instructions at the ubuntu forums.
[04:33] <Cygnia> I'll see if I can find you a link. hold on...
[04:33] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  so tell the dev's how you made their program not work as it should. They will fix it with your help :)
[04:33] <blahrus> k
[04:33] <nathanieldelaney> how do I get the universe repository enabled?
[04:34] <sandlewood> Greetings. Has anyone here had any luck with a Belkin FD-6050 USB wireless on ubuntu?
[04:34] <Cygnia> blahrus:Try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1537
[04:34] <kurtw> nathanieldelaney, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[04:35] <blahrus> Cygnia: thanks
[04:35] <toraton> Hey, I have a question for Ubuntu users...
[04:35] <blahrus> Cygnia: I don't think macromedia has made a 64 release of flash
[04:36] <GotD0t> thats retarded
[04:36] <Cygnia> blahrus:I know, that's the last hurdle for me as well. We'll see.
[04:36] <brettcar> blahrus: They haven't
[04:36] <toraton> I'm a Gentoo user and generally I stay away from Debian-based distros, but do you think Ubuntu would be good for me?
[04:36] <brettcar> toraton: Depends, what do you need/want/like in a distro?
[04:36] <blahrus> brettcar: whats their deal???
[04:37] <brettcar> blahrus: No $$$ in it right now
[04:37] <blahrus> yea
[04:37] <kurtw> toraton, I have been a devout RedHat/Fedora/SuSE user for the past few years.  So far I have enjoyed Ubuntu.  Although, it is different.
[04:37] <toraton> brettcar: Extreme customization and bleeding edge packages, actually.
[04:37] <blahrus> how long would it take for them to recompile?
[04:37] <brettcar> toraton: Not for you then
[04:37] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, why is tha retarded ?
[04:37] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: commenting on the lack of 64 flash
[04:37] <brettcar> toraton: Ubuntu will be far more recent then Debian is in stable, but it will not be "bleeding edge" like Gentoo
[04:37] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  eh ?
[04:38] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nevermind
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Of course you could run the "unstable" version of Ubuntu, but its akin to the Debian unstable I suppose.
[04:38] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  don't mind me :)
[04:38] <toraton> brettcar: Does Ubuntu use apt-get?
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Yes
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Not that you have to use it. You can use aptitude, synaptic, dselect, your pick ;) But yes, it uses apt and dpkg ;)
[04:39] <toraton> brettcar: Wonderful. I'm thinking Ubuntu might be good for my less technically inclined friends...
[04:39] <blahrus> toraton: yes
[04:39] <brettcar> toraton: Sure, desktop use is one of its goals
[04:39] <blahrus> toraton: don't make them use gentoo :)
[04:39] <sandlewood> anyone using Belkin USB wireless here
[04:39] <toraton> blahrus: Haha, yeah, wouldn't dream of it.
[04:40] <blahrus> toraton: been thinking about giving it a try again
[04:40] <blahrus> got a 64 bit system
[04:40] <blahrus> and I have a feeling they have the best support
[04:40] <Burgundavia> toraton: Ubuntu is the 1st linux distro that I will unhesitantingly but on non-techy friends computers
[04:40] <blahrus> cause you compile everything your self
[04:40] <lintfiend> i have a support question
[04:40] <lintfiend> can anyone help?
[04:40] <toraton> blahrus: Oh, you should. Man, I've been dying to put gentoo on a powerful machine, I've only got a 500mhz
[04:40] <brettcar> toraton: You are a masochist. ;)
[04:40] <kurtw> lintfiend: Fire away
[04:41] <blahrus> toraton: yea I been thinking about it
[04:41] <lintfiend> i just installed ubuntu on an old sony vaio laptop
[04:41] <lintfiend> but the display is messed up
[04:41] <lintfiend> so that the far left of the screen is on the right
[04:41] <toraton> Burgundavia: Wonderful. I think it will be great, then.
[04:41] <lintfiend> and then there is a huge black vertical column
[04:41] <lintfiend> that takes up a fourht of the screen
[04:42] <kurtw> lintfiend: do you know what video card you have?
[04:42] <lintfiend> i dont know how to fix the display
[04:42] <lintfiend> no
[04:42] <xskoulax> lintfiend: what model is the laptop?
[04:42] <kurtw> lintfiend: That will be the first step.
[04:42] <toraton> Well, thanks, you answered everything nicely. I'll give it a try.
[04:42] <lintfiend> i dontknow the exact model
[04:42] <lintfiend> as its inherited
[04:42] <lintfiend> its a sony vaoir
[04:42] <lintfiend> vaio
[04:42] <brettcar> toraton: And thank you for not being a Gentoo troll ;)
[04:42] <lintfiend> or whatevr
[04:43] <kurtw> lintfiend: Anything on the bottom of the computer to indicate the model?
[04:43] <toraton> brettcar: Anytime, don't want to give gentoo a bad name ;)
[04:43] <brettcar> hehe
[04:43] <lintfiend> model pcg- 6132
[04:43] <xskoulax> lintfiend: model should be in the following format pcg-xxxxx
[04:44] <lintfiend> ya, sorry it was in thedocking statio
[04:44] <LinuxJones> good nght everyone , have a good one !!
[04:44] <lintfiend> so basically if i move my mouse the left of the screen, eventually it appears on the right
[04:44] <xskoulax> night LinuxJones
[04:44] <GotD0t> night
[04:44] <kapputu> hello everyone
[04:44] <lintfiend> basically the entire screen is moved to the left
[04:45] <kapputu> hi GotDot what's up
[04:45] <xskoulax> Intel 815EM
[04:45] <lintfiend> ah thanks
[04:45] <GotD0t> hi kapputu, not much really...
[04:45] <xskoulax> up to 11mb sdram shared memory
[04:46] <xskoulax> kurtw: did you see that? ^^
[04:46] <kapputu> i'm trying to get sound card support for 440 BX
[04:46] <kapputu> I convinced my roommate to install linux
[04:46] <kapputu> he is an electrical engineer
[04:46] <GotD0t> good job
[04:46] <GotD0t> haha
[04:46] <lintfiend> so now that i know the card, what can i do?
[04:47] <kapputu> but i can't install his sound card
[04:47] <kapputu> and he is kinda pissed off
[04:47] <kapputu> he listens to a lot of music
[04:47] <brettcar> kapputu: He could wire himself up a new one quick like ;)
[04:47] <tmartin> hi everyone
[04:47] <xskoulax> lintfiend: good question, i really havn't a clue on the problem but i have a vaio with another videocard thats why i got involved when you didn't know the card incase it was the same model
[04:47] <kapputu> lol
[04:47] <lintfiend> awesome
[04:48] <lintfiend> well, do you maybe know where i could get some help
[04:48] <kapputu> as for me I have no problems
[04:48] <kapputu> ubuntu works great on my laptop
[04:48] <kapputu> and i have fallen in love with it
[04:48] <kapputu> :-)
[04:48] <tmartin> im new to running linux on my desktop, and id like to use it for developing c/c++ programs for school, but i dont know how to install the c/c++ package. Would someone be kind an help me? thx
[04:49] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install g++
[04:49] <kurtw> apt-get install gcc
[04:49] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install gcc
[04:49] <kurtw> ahh yes, sudo
[04:49] <xskoulax> lintfiend: this channel should provide help might have to ask again but atleast you have the model of the video card now the laptops a r505tl by the way
[04:50] <xskoulax> lintfiend: www.linuxquestions.org is a good forum you could try searching there, there is also www.ubuntuforums.com
[04:50] <tmartin> the ubuntu site says the follwoing  "If you want to develop in C or C++, install the build-essential package."  is suda apt-get the same?
[04:50] <JanneM> tmartin: easiest is to start synaptic
[04:50] <JanneM> then fsearch for "build-essential"
[04:50] <JanneM> then search for "build-essential"
[04:50] <JanneM> and mark it for installation
[04:50] <xskoulax> i haven't used the ubuntuforums yet so i don't know how good they are, but if this channel is anything to go by it should be good
[04:51] <JanneM> it is a meta-package that will pull in most of the stuff you will need
[04:51] <kurtw> yea,  I just tested.  sudo apt-get install build-essential grabs your most common tools.
[04:51] <lintfiend> would anyone know why the screen on my laptop is shifted to the left
[04:51] <lintfiend> and how to fix it
[04:51] <tmartin> how to i start synaptic, sorry im still learning and i've a ways to go
[04:52] <xskoulax> lintfiend: poke around google and those forums and see if anyone here has an idea
[04:52] <JanneM> it's in the Computer menu
[04:52] <xskoulax> good luck
[04:52] <Burgundavia> tmartin: computer --> system config
[04:52] <kapputu> sudo synaptic
[04:52] <tmartin> ooo got it!
[04:53] <kapputu> I like to use the keyboard to move around the desktop
[04:54] <eggshin> howdy all--quick question--do vesa drivers support above 1024x768?
[04:55] <kapputu> hi Hikaru
[04:55] <kapputu> what's up buddy
[04:56] <Hikaru79> =)
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Nothing much
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Thoroughly enjoying ubuntu ^__^
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Glad I made the switch :D
[04:56] <kapputu> how's your ubuntu
[04:56] <kapputu> yep me too
[04:56] <Hikaru79> :)
[04:56] <GotD0t> me too
[04:56] <Hikaru79> How long have you been an ubuntu user?
[04:56] <kapputu> hmm since 4 days..
[04:57] <kapputu> switched from FC
[04:57] <eggshin> picked it up this week myself--only linux install that went flawlessly out of 6 different distro's..
[04:57] <kapputu> and already it's my fav OS
[04:57] <Hikaru79> Almost 24 hours here :P
[04:57] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[04:57] <Hikaru79> w00t for Ubuntu :)
[04:57] <tmartin> how do i install video drivers? i downloaded an rpm for my ati 9800, but what now?
[04:57] <Hikaru79> I have a feelign it'll do great ^ ^
[04:57] <kapputu> yep even FC 2 coudlnt configure my laptop touch pad properly
[04:57] <Hikaru79> tmartin, if it's an rpm you need 'alien' I believe
[04:58] <Hikaru79> alien is an app that runs rpm in distro's other than redhat
[04:58] <tmartin> i tried sudo alien -di <rpm-name>
[04:58] <eggshin> that sounds familiar...alien that is..
[04:58] <tmartin> but it failed
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: try the ati drivers already in the repository
[04:58] <kapputu> how good is alien ?
[04:58] <kapputu> in the sense does it run all rpms ?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: there is already a driver in the universe repository
[04:59] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I have a 9600 and it configured fine
[04:59] <xskoulax> tmartin:  that link is for media formats i beleive
[04:59] <Hikaru79> Has anyone here managed to get the Java SDK working in Ubuntu? Able to compile Java source codes and all? I'm having some real problems with this :(
[04:59] <Hikaru79> I follow the instructions to the letter
[04:59] <kapputu> hmm haven't tried
[04:59] <tmartin>  wheres the universe repository?
[04:59] <kapputu> might do it soon
[04:59] <Hikaru79> And then it still doesn't recognise java being installed
[05:00] <Hikaru79> :) kapputu if it works for you could you walk me through it too?
[05:00] <xskoulax> tmartin: this is the page you need http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:00] <tmartin> thx for the links :)
[05:00] <kapputu> yep
[05:00] <mctavish> Hikaru79: I installed java sdk this morning
[05:01] <mctavish> it seemed to work ok, but I only used it for the java library file for firefox
[05:01] <mctavish> i used the bin file from black something ... blackburn? worked fine
[05:02] <Hikaru79> blackburn..?
[05:02] <mctavish> Hikaru79: its on the wiki page. I'll have a quick look
[05:03] <Hikaru79> Thanks, mctavish =D
[05:03] <mctavish> blackdown. Here: http://www.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/
[05:04] <tmartin>  Burgundavia: my card configured fine but i cant get the resolution or refresh rate i like
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Sweet :)
[05:04] <Hikaru79> And this is exactly the same as Sun's version of the sdk?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> tmartin: let me guess computer --> screen resolution fails right?
[05:05] <kapputu> what was the problem u had hikaru ?
[05:05] <Hikaru79> kapputu, I don't know... I'd install it as per instructions
[05:05] <mctavish> AFAIK. don't know if they are fully up to date...
[05:05] <Hikaru79> But when I tried to compile a java program it said "java: program not found" or something to that effect
[05:05] <tmartin> the res i like 1152x864 doesnt even appear under the video options in gnome
[05:05] <kapputu> hmm nothing to do with path settings ?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I can't even get screen resolution app to load
[05:06] <tmartin> first line of installing the gfx driver is "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-686" but i installed the amd64 distro so i tried "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-amd64" and got an error about the administration directory being locked.  whats that mean?
[05:06] <Hikaru79> Hmm, there's two directories inside of of /pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386 ; one called 'fcs' and one called 'rcl' ... what do these mean? ^ ^;;
[05:06] <kapputu> why not try going to the java bin dir and type java
[05:06] <Zindar> type ./java if you go to the java bin dir
[05:06] <tmartin> or really Burgundavia?
[05:06] <tmartin> but what about ur refresh rate
[05:06] <Hikaru79> o_o Was that all I needed to do?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: some sort of known bug with the ati driver
[05:07] <mctavish> Hikaru79: yeah puzzled me for a while. Googled it and fcs is final candidate, rc is release candidate. I went fcs
[05:07] <tmartin> mines stuck at 60hz and my ears are hurting
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: 80hz
[05:07] <Hikaru79> Aah, I see :)
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: yes, my eyes hurt at 60
[05:07] <tmartin> errr eyes*
[05:07] <Hikaru79> mctavish, so the bins are exactly the same content as the ones on sun.java.com right?
[05:07] <kapputu> hi elmaya
[05:07] <elmaya> hi
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: The worst part about 60 is that you can't really *see* the flick except where you are not focusing
[05:07] <kapputu> what's up
[05:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: mine is stuck at 60 and not only are my eyes hurting... i hear the buzzing
[05:08] <tmartin> exactly!
[05:08] <tmartin> oh man at least mine doesnt buzz
[05:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: so i get an even worse headache... from my eyes then from the almost constant buzzing
[05:08] <mctavish> Hikaru79: I don't know for sure. If you are nervous, do some research.
[05:09] <Hikaru79> Heh ^ ^ OK, will do
[05:09] <Hikaru79> :)
[05:09] <kapputu> ok i think i'll catch up with some sleep
[05:09] <kapputu> *yawn*
[05:09] <kapputu> happy ubunting folks
[05:10] <mctavish> Hakaru79: it was linked from the wiki, for what thats worth.
[05:10] <Hikaru79> That's a good sign :o
[05:12] <GotD0t> oh cool... i get to miss class tomorrow
[05:12] <Hikaru79> GotD0t, what for? :)
[05:13] <GotD0t> Hikaru79: Edwards is coming to my school... my prof is letting us skip class if we go to the rally or w/e it is
[05:13] <Hikaru79> =O Wow!
[05:13] <GotD0t> Aye
[05:13] <Hikaru79> Are you actually gonna go, or just...? ;)
[05:13] <GotD0t> Hikaru79: im debating
[05:18] <alka_trash> Wow that was quick for Hoary
[05:19] <GotD0t> ?
[05:19] <alka_trash> just thought that it would take longer
[05:19] <GotD0t> alka_trash: Ubuntu is on a 6 month dev cycle... you think they would wait a while after the warty release to get started on hoary?
[05:20] <tmartin> linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1 is supposed to have the ati driver but im looking in synaptic and theres no restricted package that has an ati-kernel.  Have any of you been able to install the driver?
[05:20] <oddabe19> wait... hoary is up?
[05:20] <alka_trash> :/
[05:20] <alka_trash> is it
[05:20] <GotD0t> look at the topic
[05:20] <alka_trash> anything new
[05:21] <Sensebend> tmartin, yes
[05:21] <oddabe19> oh... haha
[05:21] <alka_trash> new packages?
[05:21] <Sensebend> I just downloaded the rpm
[05:21] <Sensebend> converted with alient
[05:21] <tmartin> im runnign on an amd64 and none of those packages have anything with ati in them
[05:21] <tmartin> what command did you use
[05:21] <Sensebend> edited my Xfree configuration by hand
[05:21] <tmartin> im getting errors with alien
[05:21] <Sensebend> and it worked
[05:21] <tmartin> how do you do that? im still learnin'
[05:21] <jdub> tmartin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[05:21] <Sensebend> sudo alien -d atidriver.rpm
[05:22] <Sensebend> whatever the name of it is
[05:22] <jdub> ooof, don't do that
[05:22] <Sensebend> it worked fine for me jdub
[05:22] <jdub> alka_trash: hoary is synced with sid
[05:22] <tmartin> jdub: thers no version in my restricted linux modules for ati driver
[05:22] <jdub> Sensebend: might work fine, but it's totally unsupported
[05:22] <alka_trash> oh
[05:22] <tmartin> are you running on an amd64 jdub?
[05:22] <Sensebend> I support myself :)
[05:22] <jdub> Sensebend: when ubuntu already ships the driver
[05:22] <jdub> tmartin: no
[05:23] <alka_trash> has anyone tried hoary yet?
[05:23] <jdub> alka_trash: don't bother yet
[05:23] <alka_trash> okay
[05:23] <jdub> alka_trash: when it's useable, it'll be announced
[05:23] <Sensebend> ok tmartin, ignore what I am saying
[05:23] <GotD0t> well the chat topic kinda says "hoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet"
[05:23] <alka_trash> jdub: okay
[05:23] <Sensebend> and listen to the people who will tell you the proper way to do things
[05:23] <Sensebend> ^_^
[05:23] <alka_trash> jdub: It's nice to hear about updates
[05:24] <tmartin> hey sensebend im getting this error with alien:  warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libX11 (soname 6, path /usr/X11R6/lib32/libX11.so.6, dependency field Depends)dpkg-shlibdeps:
[05:24] <alka_trash> last night I found this website http://www.icalshare.com/
[05:24] <alka_trash> it's pretty cool for adding calendar stuff to evolution
[05:24] <tmartin> sorry for all that error crap but alien inst working
[05:25] <GotD0t> haha
[05:25] <GotD0t> thats cool
[05:26] <alka_trash> I wish I could find a more linux directed website, but for now icalshare is great
[05:27] <tux_> i wish someone hadn't stolen my nickname here
[05:27] <tux_> nomasteryoda
[05:27] <alka_trash> ouchie
[05:27] <tux_> oh well
[05:27] <tux_> at least when i google only my stuff comes up
[05:28] <tux_> boy what a ton of users here
[05:28] <tmartin> sensebend: how do you edit refresh rate info in the XF86Config-4 file
[05:28] <tmartin> my refreshrates are listed as a range...
[05:28] <Sensebend> tmartin, did you get it to work
[05:29] <alka_trash> here's mine
[05:29] <tmartin> well my XF86Config file which was generated by the install has the correct identificaton for my card
[05:29] <alka_trash> Section "Monitor"
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	HorizSync	30-95
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	VertRefresh	50-95
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	Option		"DPMS"
[05:29] <tmartin> so im thinking i can just modify the config
[05:29] <alka_trash> sorry, I got  a little excited
[05:29] <GotD0t> tmartin: yea... just be sure not to use a refresh rate too high for your monitors res
[05:30] <tux_> tmartin, look up model on google
[05:30] <tux_> i found mine that way
[05:30] <alka_trash> yep, me too
[05:30] <nmy> and mine was very obscure
[05:30] <nmy> this one is a dell 991... it automatically (when i ran the xconfigure scritpt) fixed it
[05:31] <Sensebend> be careful with this, if you don't want a paperweight ;
[05:31] <nmy> yup
[05:31] <nmy> will burn it up
[05:31] <Sensebend> I just got my stuff from Dell Support website
[05:31] <Sensebend> I have a Dell P780
[05:31] <nmy> that works
[05:31] <nmy> sometimes
[05:31] <Sensebend> the numbers are listed
[05:31] <Sensebend> they worked fine
[05:31] <GotD0t> is it possible to get user input from a sh script?
[05:32] <nmy> er, yea
[05:32] <thoreauputic_> GotD0t: use "read"
[05:32] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:32] <nmy> anyway, got to go
[05:32] <nmy> first time on this irc channel
[05:32] <nmy> and in my new ubuntu box
[05:33] <nmy> very slick distro
[05:33] <nmy> congrats to the team who made it possible...and to Shuttleworth
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> and to me
[05:33] <nmy> and you
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> because I am taking a late lunch so I can get this crap done
[05:34] <nmy> well, i now have another excellent distro to push to our LUG
[05:35] <seth_> can anyone help me set j2re ?
[05:35] <GotD0t> Late lunch? where are you
[05:35] <nmy> lol
[05:35] <nmy> or is that 101
[05:36] <nmy> |337 is not for me
[05:36] <nmy> cramps my brain
[05:36] <GotD0t> heh
[05:36] <nmy> lol
[05:36] <nmy> ran seth off?
[05:36] <tmartin> nmy: i found the info and updated
[05:37] <nmy> cool
[05:37] <tmartin> mind telling me how i restart X Windows...
[05:37] <nmy> Ctrl+Alt+bakcspace
[05:37] <nmy> hey, he got it
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> ahah
[05:37] <Burgundavia> I can't seem to find flgrx drivers anymore
[05:37] <nmy> lol
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:38] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB: no, I mean I cannot find it any repository I have
[05:38] <GotD0t> is there a command to make a text file?
[05:38] <nmy> like vi
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: it should be in the restricted repository
[05:38] <nmy> vi and file name
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: gedit
[05:39] <GotD0t> well i want just to be able to make the file w/o opening the editor
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> applications->Accessories->text editor
[05:39] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: to create a file you can use "touch"
[05:39] <Burgundavia> touch filename
[05:39] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:40] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: echo String of stuff >> file
[05:40] <jdub> or right click, Create Document > Empty File in nautilus
[05:41] <nmy> or use stuff | filename
[05:41] <tmartin> nmy: yay! its at 85Hz
[05:41] <nmy> tmartin, hey guess that worked
[05:41] <GotD0t> i only need one way to do it ;-)
[05:41] <nmy> sweet
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> nmy: that won't work you need >
[05:41] <nmy> HrdwrBoB, yea
[05:41] <nmy> sr
[05:42] <tmartin> my eyes are now mollified
[05:42] <nmy> late here
[05:42] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: this is linux - there are always many ways ;)
[05:42] <nmy> in US
[05:42] <GotD0t> its not THAT late
[05:42] <nmy> no
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> it's lunchtime here
[05:42] <nmy> but 3 months with only 4-5 hrs /nite
[05:42] <GotD0t> nmy: on the eastern seaboard its only 11:40 ish
[05:42] <tmartin> its 9pm man time to start getting to work
[05:42] <nmy> late
[05:42] <nmy> GotD0t, in GA I am
[05:42] <vertical_98> Does anyone here know anything about Gnome Mud client?
[05:43] <GotD0t> nmy: i havent gotten more than 2 hours of sleep each night for the past two weeks... and im stil lgoing
[05:43] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: the eastern seaboard of th eonly country on earth?
[05:43] <nmy> LOL
[05:43] <nmy> pangaea
[05:43] <GotD0t> i thought it was obvious iw as tlaking about the US... considerng nmy said it
[05:43] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: i'm on the  eastern seabord of .au and it's 1:43 PM
[05:43] <nmy> GotD0t, lol
[05:44] <GotD0t> nmy said US, and i said its not that late
[05:44] <nmy> thoreauputic, yea... tomorrow
[05:44] <nmy> i'm in Middle Georgia, US
[05:44] <thoreauputic> nmy: way ahead of you guys - as always ;)
[05:44] <nmy> http://mgalug.org
[05:44] <nmy> yea...lol
[05:44] <GotD0t> heh
[05:44] <thoreauputic> you'll never catch up...
[05:45] <nmy> thoreauputic, do you ever chat with a guy from NewZealand - NZHeritic
[05:45] <thoreauputic> nmy: no but I've seen/heard of him
[05:45] <nmy> he's a regular on The Linux Show IRC
[05:46] <thoreauputic> he posts all over the place :)
[05:46] <nmy> yea
[05:46] <tmartin> how can i access my other hdds on my computer that are used for Windows?
[05:46] <tmartin> id like access to my media :)
[05:46] <nmy> he's supposed to be doing an Aussie TheLinuxShow
[05:46] <GotD0t> yea.. that seems quite common
[05:46] <nmy> tmartin, are the NTFS?
[05:47] <GotD0t> (i would hope so)
[05:48] <GotD0t> tmartin: you there?
[05:51] <tmartin> yea
[05:51] <tmartin> they are ntfs
[05:51] <tmartin> sorry had to get some munchies
[05:52] <GotD0t> k
[05:52] <Sensebend> tmartin, it is safest to mount NTFS systems as read only
[05:52] <GotD0t> yea
[05:53] <tmartin> ok thats cool
[05:54] <tmartin> how do i get linux to recognize those partitions
[05:54] <GotD0t> how many are there?
[05:55] <Sensebend> tmartin what is in your /etc/fstab
[05:55] <tmartin> i have 2 partitions on 2 disks
[05:56] <tmartin> one sec lemme check
[05:56] <Sensebend> it may be already there
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:56] <Sensebend> probably is
[05:56] <GotD0t> why do you say that?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> cause ubuntu is good
[05:56] <tmartin> its not htere
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:56] <GotD0t> not that good...
[05:56] <tmartin> just / swap and cdroms
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:56] <GotD0t> mine werent there
[05:57] <Sensebend> I don't have any windows partitions so I wouldn't know
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> i use no NTFS here at home
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> do at work though
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> let me find my fstab from work
[05:57] <GotD0t> well he needs to find out the location of his partitions
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> that should be relatively easy
[05:58] <thoreauputic> tmartin: type  sudo fdisk -l in a terminal
[05:59] <GotD0t> and then make a directory for each of your partitions in /mnt/
[05:59] <thoreauputic> tmartin: that will give you a list of your partitions
[06:00] <Cube-ness> anybody know why root can see scanner in xsane, but regular user cannot?
[06:01] <GotD0t> then in fstab put /dev/hd<partition loc>	/mnt/<mount folder>	ntfs	ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user	0	0
[06:01] <GotD0t> and that should do it
[06:02] <tmartin> do i do this even for the linux / and swap partitions?
[06:02] <GotD0t> no
[06:02] <tmartin> k
[06:02] <GotD0t> just the ones labeled NTFS under system
[06:06] <tmartin> gotdot: should that be user=0 above
[06:06] <GotD0t> nope
[06:06] <tmartin> k
[06:06] <tmartin> whats umask do
[06:06] <GotD0t> gives you permission to access it
[06:08] <tmartin> ok
[06:08] <truthcho> anyone knows what's the minimum requirement for Ubuntu 4.1?
[06:08] <tmartin> ok edited the fstab how do mount them right now
[06:08] <truthcho> to run GNOME
[06:08] <tmartin> same cmd just on the cmdline?
[06:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: afaik it should mount after saving
[06:09] <tmartin> o cool they did in fact
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ain't linux grand
[06:09] <tmartin> but it says unable to mount the selected volume
[06:09] <GotD0t> tmartin: now... a piece of advice back that file up
[06:09] <GotD0t> which
[06:09] <tmartin> all my ntfs entries new partitons
[06:10] <GotD0t> wait. what?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: ...yea backup the /etc/fstab file
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> and the Xconfig too ...
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> XF86Config
[06:11] <GotD0t> XF86Config-4
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:11] <tmartin> well i opened up a window of mnt in gnome and it says it cant mount them when i clikco on it
[06:11] <GotD0t> but what happened tmartin?
[06:11] <GotD0t> you didnt mount em both to mnt did you?
[06:11] <BlueStorm> Hey, is this the place to ask questions?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <tmartin> no
[06:11] <BlueStorm> Even if they may be dumb.
[06:11] <tmartin> i mounte each partition to a sepearte directory in mnt
[06:11] <GotD0t> ok
[06:12] <tmartin> like hde1, hda1, hdb1
[06:12] <GotD0t> ok
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> greetings or aloha...
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> nite here
[06:12] <GotD0t> so when you saved fstab what happened?
[06:12] <GotD0t> bluestorm what y aneed
[06:13] <BlueStorm> Well I can't seem to change my resaloution beyong 1024 x 768
[06:13] <tmartin> nothing was wrong when i saved
[06:13] <tmartin> but then i went under Computer->Disks to try and access them
[06:14] <GotD0t> show me both entries in fstab
[06:14] <GotD0t> or all of them
[06:14] <GotD0t> bluestorm how are you trying?
[06:14] <BlueStorm> I crave 1280 x 1024.
[06:14] <GotD0t> haha, don't we all
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> 1600x1280
[06:15] <BlueStorm> I just went to computer, system config, resolution.
[06:15] <cef_work> mdz: just did soemthing silly with a mailing list and found a bug. went to subscribe to a list, got the email, clicked on the link and then accidently clicked on the 'Cancel my subscription" button instead of the subscribe one, and I got an error!
[06:15] <GotD0t> woah
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0
[06:15] <GotD0t> no, there has to be a space between user and the 0
[06:16] <tmartin> oh
[06:16] <cef_work> mdz: 'twas the security-announce list, but it's probably mailman, not the list.
[06:16] <tmartin> k
[06:16] <tmartin> thats why i asked about hte = before :-p
[06:16] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:16] <GotD0t> and once you get it working BACK IT UP
[06:17] <GotD0t> I made that mistake twice...
[06:17] <BlueStorm> But Im very much a Linux newbie.
[06:17] <GotD0t> Bluestorm: one sec
[06:17] <tmartin> gotdot: mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb1
[06:18] <tmartin> thats the only error now
[06:18] <GotD0t> only one?
[06:18] <tmartin> yea
[06:18] <tmartin> the file seems to parse fine now
[06:18] <GotD0t> other ones mount fine?
[06:18] <tmartin> no i mean that error occurs for all
[06:18] <GotD0t> oh
[06:18] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:18] <GotD0t> and that happens when?
[06:18] <tmartin> maybe a different umask?
[06:19] <tmartin> when i click on to browse the contents of the disk thru computer->disks in teh gnome menu
[06:19] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:19] <rya1> I have a question.....
[06:19] <GotD0t> ok, try sudo mount /mnt/hdb1
[06:20] <taviguy> if I edit my interfaces file while running the system, how can I apply the changes without restarting the box?
[06:20] <tmartin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[06:20] <tmartin>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:20] <cef_work> rya1: ask away
[06:20] <rya1> I installed ubuntu and worked great for one day. Now when I boot I get all these input/output errors when loading drivers at boot/ Usually says 'cant read module'
[06:20] <BlueStorm> I periodically hear sound effects for foreseeable reason?
[06:21] <rya1> but gnome will boot. but no network
[06:21] <GotD0t> Bluestorm: open up /etc/X11?Xf86Config-4 and copy the ones listed under Monitor and Screen in a private message to me
[06:21] <GotD0t> err
[06:21] <cef_work> tmartin: sounds like the ntfs module isn't loaded. are you mounting as root, using pmount, or mounting as a user?
[06:21] <GotD0t> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:21] <thoreauputic> taviguy: try sudo  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:22] <rya1> any ideas?
[06:22] <taviguy> also, is thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?
[06:22] <taviguy> as in add in maybe two essids that are possible and their WEP keys
[06:23] <tmartin> cef_work: im mounting as a user
[06:23] <tmartin> i tired sudo mount but i get an error on that
[06:23] <GotD0t> whats the error?
[06:23] <tmartin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[06:23] <tmartin>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:24] <cef_work> tmartin: do 'sudo modprobe ntfs' and try again
[06:24] <dob> hi
[06:25] <dob> i don't find in the ubuntu site the list of all available package, can someone give me a link?
[06:25] <tmartin> cef_work: same error after modprobe
[06:26] <cef_work> tmartin: ok.. well that rules out it not having the ntfs module loaded
[06:26] <tmartin> im trying "mount /etc/hdb1"
[06:26] <GotD0t> tmartin: read me the fstab line again
[06:26] <tmartin> with the corresponding line in the fstab
[06:26] <thoreauputic> dob: if you open synaptic, you can browse all available packages
[06:26] <cef_work> tmartin: you have a directory called /mnt/hdb1 ?
[06:27] <thoreauputic> dob: assuming your sources are set up properly, of course
[06:27] <tmartin> "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user=0        0"
[06:27] <GotD0t> no martin
[06:27] <kurtw> Make sure the NTFS module loaded 'lsmod | grep ntfs'
[06:27] <GotD0t> err
[06:27] <dob> thoreauputic: i don't have ubuntu installed, i want only to see the list of package
[06:27] <GotD0t> dude, it should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user   0      0"
[06:28] <tmartin> yea its loaded
[06:28] <cef_work> tmartin: and 'ls -l /mnt/hdb1' ?
[06:28] <GotD0t> make those changes tmartin
[06:28] <GotD0t> and try it
[06:28] <jdub> dob: see archive.ubuntu.com
[06:28] <kurtw> tmartin: GotD0t has it right.
[06:28] <tmartin> of fack i usd = instead of space
[06:28] <tmartin> subliminal mistake
[06:29] <GotD0t> heh
[06:29] <thoreauputic> dob: well, you can find such a list on debian.org, but it will be huge and not exactly the equivalent of ubuntu
[06:29] <thoreauputic> dob: debian has over 12,000 packages
[06:29] <tmartin> OH SWEET
[06:29] <tmartin> thx guys
[06:29] <jdub> dob: the packages file for main is what you want
[06:29] <tmartin> sorry for the dilatory mistakes
[06:29] <taviguy> is thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?
[06:30] <GotD0t> see, tmartin if you would carefully read the directions your stuff would be set up a lot quicker
[06:30] <PuddPunk> when does the next ubuntu calander come out?
[06:30] <dob> thoreauputic: yes i know i use debian , just to see the version of some package
[06:30] <cef_work> taviguy: by default? depends on the card usually, but if it can you either leave the ESSID blank, or set it to ANY
[06:31] <GotD0t> PuddPunk nov
[06:31] <cef_work> taviguy: same options as with iwconfig
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dob: OK - sorry I didn't mean to be presumptuous :)
[06:31] <smo> Has anyone got cloop to build from cloop-src? It appears to be choking looking for a modversions.h that doesn't exist
[06:31] <taviguy> but
[06:31] <PuddPunk> beginning of november? end of november? middle of november?
[06:31] <taviguy> im saying 2 netowrks with WEP
[06:31] <jdub> taviguy: not atm
[06:32] <jdub> PuddPunk: beginning of november
[06:32] <dob> thoreauputic: no problem :)
[06:32] <taviguy> so you would have to specify the essid and key
[06:32] <PuddPunk> cool :)
[06:32] <cef_work> taviguy: ahh you want to switch between networks
[06:32] <PuddPunk> taviguy, i've been wrestling with the network profiles (the gui beastie) that comes with ubuntu
[06:32] <kurtw> taviguy: I tried looking at wifiradar and could not get it to work.  If there is a solution, I would be grateful.
[06:32] <cef_work> taviguy: you could possibly do it using the 'mapping' stuff.. there isn't a huge amount of docs on it, and it's not easy to set working, but it CAN be done
[06:32] <PuddPunk> i find it works best if you delete your stuff from the interfaces file, then start fresh with the profiles in the GUI configuration
[06:32] <PuddPunk> i have one for home, work and school
[06:33] <cef_work> taviguy: and you could possibly call other tools that will listen for networks and depending on which it can see, connect to it
[06:34] <tmartin> does ubuntu natively support the playing of mp3s?
[06:34] <jdub> not with the default install, no
[06:34] <tmartin> any packages that have players ?
[06:34] <jdub> rhythmbox will play mp3s if you install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[06:34] <jdub> see RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[06:34] <GOwin> hi everone. is /etc/rc.d the same as ubuntu's /etc/rc0.d? i'm trying to configure NAT. the guide i am using for configuring NAT is telling me to look for /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: the guide is ooooold
[06:35] <GotD0t> tmartin: if you are used to winamp in windows you can install xmms
[06:35] <GotD0t> tmartin: which has the same gui
[06:36] <PuddPunk> is it possible to get gstreamer support for mp3?
[06:36] <rya1> Sorry to inturrupt, but does anyone know why when I boot now I get "input/output error" cant read module and then somthing in the "/lib/modules/kernel/" directory.. It goes by too fast and I cant find the log file that has the exact output. Its usually .ko  files it cant read.   I still can boot, but some things dont work (like netwok). Strange thing is that is was working fine for 1 day after install, and nothing changed...
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: I think it should work if you create /etc/rc.local
[06:36] <GOwin> HrdwrBoB, if it's old. what should i use?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: /etc/rc.d is a relic from redhat 6
[06:36] <GOwin> hmm ..
[06:36] <dob> the security update for the packages in ubuntu are related to the update of the packages on sarge or sid ? or there like in woody a source list for security update?
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> the security updates are only on main
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> the ubuntu packages
[06:38] <rya1> GOwin, I have been using firestarter for may NAT as it is pretty easy to setup. It is in the universe set of packages.
[06:38] <PuddPunk> is there a way i can unintall emacs without rooting my install? when i try and uninstall emacs it tries to uninstall ubuntu-desktop which i assume is a bad thing
[06:38] <GOwin> i'll look at firestarter then. :)
[06:38] <thoreauputic> GOwin: firestarter is a good option
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> PuddPunk: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which includes emacs
[06:38] <spikeb> PuddPunk,  actually, it's okay - as long as it's ONLY trying to uninstall that package
[06:38] <cef_work> anyone know of a good package for admin control of a samba pdc that's in ubuntu (universe is fine)
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> PuddPunk: thus, when you remove emacs, it removes ubuntu-dektop
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> desktop
[06:42] <GOwin> so firestarter is NAT and firewall?
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: correct
[06:42] <rya1> yes
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> cef.. nfi, luckily we don't have that sort of thing here
[06:42] <thoreauputic> GOwin: yes - and has a very simple setup wizard
[06:42] <BlueStorm> How do you PM in Xchat?
[06:42] <GOwin> thanks for the info guys.
[06:42] <PuddPunk> HrdwrBoB, I figured that much, i just thought it might stuff up my upgrade capabilities
[06:42] <dob> HrdwrBoB: ok
[06:42] <PuddPunk> BlueStorm, double click on a nick either in the nick list or the main window
[06:42] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: I was looking at LAM, but unfortunately it's not in ubuntu or debian it seems.. (and no, there is lam3, which is something entirely different)
[06:42] <GOwin> while at it, how about giving me a headstart on how to configure a box for ppp dial-in
[06:42] <Burgundavia> PuddPunk: You can remove ubuntu-desktop without any problems
[06:42] <rya1> GOwin, sorry never done it
[06:42] <PuddPunk> woohoo :)
[06:42] <BlueStorm> Hmmmm, Im clicking to my heart's content and nothing is happening.
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: irritatin
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> g
[06:42] <spikeb> as long as your heart is content, then it matters not :)
[06:42] <Burgundavia> BlueStorm: right click on a nick
[06:43] <tmartin> what package of rythmbox supports mp3s?
[06:43] <tmartin> rythmbox is in the default install but .mp3s still arent recognized
[06:43] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I think you need gstreamer-mad
[06:43] <Burgundavia> tmartin: not rhythmbox itself
[06:44] <jdub> tmartin: are told you how to fix it above
[06:44] <tmartin> i see no gstreamer-mad in synaptic
[06:44] <jdub> tmartin: and pointed to docs
[06:44] <jdub> again, gstreamer0.8-mad (in universe)
[06:49] <tmartin> whoops
[06:49] <tmartin> sorry yea
[06:49] <tmartin> im looking at teh page now
[06:49] <rya1> anyone know where boot warning messages are logged? I cant see them in /var/log/messages
[06:49] <Treenaks> rya1:are they logged at all?
[06:49] <spikeb> possibly dmesg
[06:49] <rya1> not sure. Its not in dmesg either. Its these input/output errors when loading .ko modules
[06:49] <tmartin> yea i forgot to hit reload
[06:49] <tmartin> in synaptic
[06:49] <GOwin> anyone using xfce for their desktop?
[06:51] <psyklops> I just set up printing, in linux, and had less trouble than with windows. JOY!
[06:51] <GotD0t> hahaha
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> psyklops: excellent :D
[06:51] <geppy> heh  :)
[06:51] <psyklops> I spent all day at my uncles house setting up his new printer for him, it failed to install a few times for no reason. He gave me his old printer, and you know how that went :)
[06:51] <tmartin> mp3s only play in totem?
[06:52] <ficusplanet> Will J5's hal/cups magic from Fedora make it to Hoary?
[06:52] <psyklops> wow... hal...
[06:52] <psyklops> how much easier could it get?
[06:52] <tmartin> would some please tell me how to change my computer name?
[06:52] <psyklops> `hostname`
[06:57] <ficusplanet> Plug it in and it works.  If it can't tell what printer you plugged it, it gives a list of possibilities automatically.
[06:57] <psyklops> well... what I just did was install cupsys and foomatic (with foomatic-gui) and then basically did a next-next-next install
[06:57] <ficusplanet> psyklops, I agree that it's easy now, but really in most cases no user input whatsoever should be necessary to make the print work.
[06:57] <BlueStorm> My double click command is set to whois
[06:57] <BlueStorm> What should I enter to get PM happening?
[06:57] <psyklops> without knowing your IRC client?
[06:57] <BlueStorm> xchat
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> right click
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> open query
[06:57] <psyklops> preferences, just look a bit
[06:58] <BlueStorm> I foudn where to change it, I just don't know what to enter in the text box.
[06:58] <psyklops> well it starts with /msg
[06:59] <psyklops> and I guess maybe %s represents the person you clicked
[06:59] <psyklops> no that won't work...
[06:59] <psyklops> wonder what you enter to open a dialog.. hmm
[07:00] <ficusplanet> I don't think you do open a dialog in xchat.  You just /msg Nick Message
[07:00] <ficusplanet> If you want a chat dialog, use Gaim.
[07:00] <psyklops> (I just love going to read the documentation :))
[07:00] <spikeb> actually
[07:00] <GotD0t> no, you can open a dialoug in xchat
[07:00] <spikeb> dcc chat opens a dialog, as does msging
[07:00] <GotD0t> right click on the name then open dialoug window
[07:00] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:00] <spikeb> GotD0t, if you msg the person, when they respond it'll pop open a window
[07:00] <psyklops> right click their name and click "open dialog window"
[07:01] <ficusplanet> Oh, OK.  Cool.
[07:01] <psyklops> but he wants it to be simpler
[07:01] <cef_work> the command you want is /query
[07:01] <cef_work> ie: /query cef_work
[07:02] <psyklops> really... let me test that
[07:04] <psyklops> he speaks the truth!
[07:04] <GotD0t> he does
[07:04] <cef_work> psyklops: showing my age knowing that.. I remember it from the days of ircII, early after it was first released
[07:04] <psyklops> now, how do you tell xchat to do that when you double click a name
[07:04] <psyklops> well, why am I asking...
[07:04] <psyklops> I don't want it, BlueStorm does
[07:04] <GotD0t> thats an irritating name
[07:04] <psyklops> the old curiousity kicking in and making me steal other people's problems
[07:05] <kurtw> Here is an off the wall question.  Anyone use iFolder with Ubuntu?
[07:05] <cef_work> Settings -> Preferences -> Interface -> User list -> Action Upon Double Click -> QUERY %s
[07:05] <psyklops> ah...
[07:05] <GotD0t> oh goodie, who wants a coaster
[07:05] <psyklops> I was adding the /, silly me
[07:05] <jdub> kurtw: i'm packaging ifolder
[07:05] <jdub> kurtw: needs a lot of love...
[07:06] <kurtw> jdub: Need a tester?
[07:06] <spikeb> hmm
[07:06] <spikeb> ifolder :)
[07:06] <psyklops> well BlueStorm, there's your answer
[07:06] <ficusplanet> jdub, I'd like to test, too.  Are you guys including mono in Hoary?
[07:06] <jdub> kurtw: at some stage, i'm waiting for a new release atm
[07:06] <kurtw> Mono is easy to install with apt
[07:06] <jdub> ficusplanet: potentially
[07:07] <psyklops> heh... he was off while we talked
[07:07] <jdub> ficusplanet: it's all in universe atm, and will be for hoary too
[07:07] <spikeb> blah
[07:07] <jdub> (if it doesn't make it into main)
[07:07] <spikeb> universe schmooniverse
[07:07] <ficusplanet> jdub, Excellent.
[07:07] <psyklops> why does xchat have 2 %s after "QUOTE WHOIS"?
[07:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, I don't know if you've discussed this at all, but have you guys looked into J5's hal/cups integration.  I know it's still a bit RH specific, but with it pretty much all hardware would be halized in Hoary.
[07:08] <jdub> yeah, i have
[07:08] <GotD0t> ok... Its late... im going to bed
[07:08] <jdub> most likely to make it into hoary if it makes it into GNOME 2.10
[07:08] <kurtw> 2.10?
[07:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK
[07:09] <jdub> kurtw: next release of gnome, due in march
[07:09] <cef_work> psyklops: afaik, it shouldn't
[07:09] <ficusplanet> It's amazing how quickly HAL has changed the Linux desktop.
[07:09] <kurtw> ic
[07:09] <psyklops> cef_work: thats what double click action is set to by default...
[07:10] <psyklops> action -> command
[07:10] <smo> If you include the nick twice on a whois request, you get a little more info .. most notable the idle time.  So I suspect it's twice for a reason
[07:10] <bern> anyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?
[07:10] <cef_work> psyklops: not here.. but then, this is debian sid, not ubuntu, but shouldn't be any different
[07:11] <psyklops> I get idle time with 1xnick
[07:11] <cef_work> bern: you can use ndiswrapper with amd64?
[07:11] <smo> psyklops, that seems to be an oddity to this network .. on most, you won't (unless they're actually on the same server as you)
[07:12] <bern> cef_work: i don't know, i'm trying to get it working so I can try and get my onboard wireless working
[07:12] <psyklops> okay, explanation accepted
[07:14] <geppy> Does anyone here know how to permanently change the length of tabs in vi?  I'd like to change the length of the auto-indent, as well.
[07:16] <Pizbit> geppy: set ts=NUMBER in ~/.vimrc I think
[07:16] <geppy> Thanks.  :)
[07:17] <geppy> hmm...
[07:17] <geppy> Error detected while processing /home/geppy/.vimrc:
[07:17] <geppy> line    1:
[07:17] <geppy> E433: No tags file
[07:17] <geppy> E426: tag not found: =2
[07:18] <ficusplanet> I noticed that the sorting order changed from ABab to AaBb sometime between the preview and final.  My desktop didn't get this change however.  What do I do to change this?
[07:18] <geppy> Oh, oops... wrote "ts=2", not "set ts=2"
[07:19] <Pizbit> Does it work?
[07:20] <geppy> Pizbit:  Yes.  Though, how do I change the length of the auto-indent?
[07:20] <Pizbit> No idea;)
[07:21] <geppy> heh  =)
[07:21] <geppy> thanks
[07:22] <geppy> Is there a #vi?
[07:22] <geppy> I can't imagine there being all that much to talk about.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:23] <spikeb> well
[07:24] <utis> hello.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> hey
[07:25] <utis> I understand that I can install Debian packages in my new ubuntu system.  Is there a list of apt-URLs that are safe to use?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> utis: is the package not in universe?
[07:25] <psyklops> check your sources.list
[07:25] <psyklops> theres a commented source
[07:26] <utis> Hm, I have used the synaptic tool and with the URLs provided there by default I could not find a few packages.
[07:26] <SimonT> is ubuntu relatively easy to install ?
[07:26] <utis> Like nethack, sodipodi  ...
[07:26] <spikeb> yes it is
[07:27] <utis> SimonT: I just did it right now and it was like a dream.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> are other people have the expired cert with bugzilla.ubuntu?
[07:27] <geppy> Yes.
[07:27] <utis> I didn't even have to something to get X on my laptop running. Amazing.
[07:28] <Burgundavia> utis: What specifically are you looking for?
[07:28] <tableist90> does anyone know how to make a keyboard shortcut to an application?
[07:28] <geppy> yes
[07:28] <jdub> tableist90: you can do that in gconf-editor
[07:29] <tableist90> well..kinda new to linux here
[07:29] <utis> Burgundavia: nethack, sodipodi, sbcl come to my mind right now.
[07:29] <geppy> Computer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:29] <tableist90> yah but i can't bind a keyboard shortcut to a specific app that i want
[07:30] <pbook2> has anyone tried mol on ubuntu?
[07:30] <plovs_work> mako, thanks for the cc-meeting summery.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> utis: have you enabled universe?
[07:31] <altan> before I start installing ubuntu, does ubuntu support NTFS read so I can copy all the stuff from my backup drive (MP3s) to my main drive while I format it to reiserfs or ext3 or do I have to copy the stuff to my main HD now, format it to FAT32, and put it all back again?
[07:31] <Gmail> btw guys there have been some cds shipped the ones to people which work at where they are being made
[07:31] <tableist90> jdub: where is it located?
[07:31] <geppy> altan:  Yes.
[07:31] <altan> all right
[07:32] <SimonTea> gmail for people without a burner ?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> utis: I found sodipodi in universe
[07:32] <Burgundavia> utis: net-hack as well
[07:32] <geppy> SimonTea: ?
[07:32] <SimonTea> well i am downloading the iso now
[07:32] <utis> Burgundavia: ah, no. I seem to recall that I have read that term somewhere.
[07:32] <SimonTea> so i'm wondering what the issue is about cd's being pressed
[07:33] <Burgundavia> load synaptic
[07:33] <Burgundavia> under settings--
[07:33] <Burgundavia> repositories
[07:33] <jdub> SimonTea: they'll most likely arrive next month
[07:33] <Burgundavia> check the 2 lines labelled universe
[07:33] <Burgundavia> you should get a message regarding if you want to enable universe
[07:34] <Burgundavia> utis: They should be the 4th and 5th lines
[07:35] <utis> Burgundavia: ah. Thank you.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> utis: did that get it?
[07:35] <Simono> i keep getting knocked off irc
[07:35] <bern> anyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?
[07:35] <utis> JUST CHECKING.
[07:35] <utis> sorry
[07:35] <Burgundavia> np
[07:35] <jamesh> bern: to use with your amd64 windows drivers?
[07:36] <utis> i have not yet made caps into control ...
[07:37] <kurtw> I think I found a bug in the universe when trying to apt-get install transcode.  Can someone confirm?
[07:37] <bern> jamesh: yes
[07:37] <jamesh> bern: if you want to use win32 drivers on an Athlon 64 system, you'll need to run a 32-bit kernel, unfortunately :(
[07:37] <bern> jamesh:  :(
[07:37] <jamesh> bern: one of the problems with proprietary software ...
[07:37] <bern> jamesh:  i'm trying to get my internal wireless card working, supposedly the chipset is BCM94306
[07:37] <tableist90> hey can u guys help me create a keyboard shorcut for a specific application?
[07:38] <GOwin> my eth0 is found by ubuntu as eth2. firestarter knows it as eth0 (i think) how do i rename eth2 as eth0?
[07:38] <bern> brb
[07:38] <jamesh> bern: well, if you need to get the wireless card working and there is no free driver, you might need to install Ubuntu/i386
[07:38] <Burgundavia> kurtw: the package I have is 2:06.12-sarge06, is that the package?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> kurtw: I had sarge enabled, let me try that again
[07:41] <kurtw> Burgundavia: Same package that I have.  Seems to be trouble with libjasper-1.701-1
[07:41] <utis> Burgundavia: thanks that gives me a lot more packages.
[07:41] <utis> Unfortunately I can't find sbcl. :(
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: ok, let me try and install it
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: I got the same error
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: let me try with sarge enabled
[07:43] <nathanieldelaney> hey, i got tuxracer installed.  how do I play it?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: have you logged out and logged back in to see if it is in the menu?
[07:44] <geppy> $ tuxracer
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> nope.
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> ill try those
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> thanks
[07:45] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: ahh seems ldap-account-manager is in universe.. w00t!
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> hooray :)
[07:45] <Burgundavia> kurtw: the problem is that libjasper is not in universe. But it is in sarge
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> when ubuntu can go and get me donuts
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> I will be very happy
[07:46] <kurtw> How can I enable sarge as an apt source?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> kurtw: try this: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ main unstable
[07:46] <Burgundavia> sorry http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> not recommended
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> just quietly
[07:46] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: apt-get install donuts doesn't work?  ;)
[07:46] <Burgundavia> as HrdwrBoB says
[07:46] <utis> not recommended?
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> no, not recommended
[07:46] <kurtw> in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:46] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: I just couldn't be arsed screwing around with samba/ldap to get something that worked.. this should make it a lot easier, and then I can tell the consultant guy we have to leave me alone
[07:46] <Burgundavia> kurtw: you can use synaptic to do it automatically
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> cef:heh consultants
[07:47] <utis> Hm, then I'd have to compile sbcl myself. :(
[07:47] <thoreauputic> kurtw: you will break stuff
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> cef:I want to move here to LDAP
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> we have WAY too many seperate user dbs
[07:47] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: this one is apparently trying to buy into the company
[07:47] <Burgundavia> kurtw: just remember to uncheck sarge before you do any updates on your box or you will get a bunch of newer packages that may break your machine
[07:47] <nathanieldelaney> logging in and out didnt bring it into the menu, and $tuxracer doesnt do anything
[07:48] <kurtw> ok.  Just need the source to get dvdrip going.
[07:48] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: well I'll let you know how things go.. nfi if lam really works for anything other than samba.. but I can only look and see
[07:48] <thoreauputic> nathanieldelaney: just tuxracer (no $ )
[07:48] <mako> plovs_work: no problem
[07:48] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: not in applications --> games?
[07:48] <nathanieldelaney> command not found
[07:48] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: cool cheers
[07:48] <nathanieldelaney> nope
[07:49] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: look at the listing of files installed for the package, and see if you see something like tuxracer somewhere
[07:49] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: new mail servers are all ready bar actual deployment and the ldap db setup.. so yeah.. now just considering if I should re-install them with ubuntu instead of testing.. *grin*
[07:51] <bigbrother0074> could anybody tell me why firefox quits if i type gr or gn or something like that?
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> "/usr/lib/menu/tuxracer"
[07:51] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: I am just installing tuxracer right now
[07:51] <bigbrother0074> i type it into the google searchbar thing
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: :)
[07:52] <timothy> bigbrother0074: why ever type anything in that tiny bar? :) You can use the built-in hotlink to google :)
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: I'm highly likely to install ubuntu on our new server
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[07:52] <timothy> bigbrother0074: That's not a real answer, but a workaround ...
[07:52] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: the main issue is: do I want to go thru and reinstall them? (ie: effort)
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> there's a "/usr/games/tuxracer"
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> ahh yeah
[07:53] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: I cannot seem to replicate it
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> timothy: it's easier to tab over to that after ctrl+t
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> bit of a pain
[07:53] <Zindar> nathanieldelaney: try it
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> no big drama here, I'm still waiting on the third damn quote
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> so we can get the stupid thing!
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> i have firefox 0.9.3.....
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cef_work: can you get paid for it?
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> should i just upgrade and see if that's the prob?
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> can i upgrade to 1.0?
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: he would get paid regardless :)
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> that worked
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> thanks
[07:53] <timothy> bigbrother0074: by default, I think it's "google $searchterm," but you can shorten if to g $search term; I hate that little bar because it's harder to type a longer phrase without losing track of whether you mistyped something :)
[07:54] <cef_work> Burgundavia: it's my job.. I'd be paid for it no matter what.. but it's still a matter of wether I have the time
[07:54] <cef_work> Burgundavia: though I'd prefer ubuntu simply because it's out and has security updates
[07:54] <thoreauputic> nathanieldelaney: that means /usr/games is not in your search path
[07:54] <Burgundavia> cef_work: then debatable
[07:54] <bigbrother0074> timothy:  i don't understand....what's default and how sould i change it?
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> bigbrother0074: start synaptic
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> and you can refresh your lists
[07:55] <nathanieldelaney> is there any way I can add a program to the applications menu that doesnt appear there?
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> and then choose to upgrade mozilla-firefox
[07:55] <timothy> bigbrother0074: there are various hotlinks that are built in to Firefox (quick searches) but you can add your own or modify them.
[07:55] <bigbrother0074> timothy: i see
[07:55] <cef_work> Burgundavia: if sarge was out or at least had security updates, I would just leave it as is till Hoary
[07:55] <timothy> bigbrother0074: you type into the regular URL bar, rather than the puny Google search bar to the right of the real URL bar.
[07:55] <bigbrother0074> timothy:  ah...i understand
[07:56] <timothy> bigbrother0074: And you can have keywords set up to search various things ... hold a sec, I just saw a good tutorial.
[07:56] <bigbrother0074> timothy: i had that set up on xp last year actually...i was proud of my registry hack
[07:58] <timothy> bigbrother0074: http://www.noscope.com/journal/2004/06/search
[07:58] <timothy> That's not the one I was thinking of, but it looks helpful :)
[07:58] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: tuxracer ran no prob from the run command
[07:59] <timothy> This is one of the few spots I think FireFox loses to Mozilla :)
[07:59] <bigbrother0074> HrdwrBoB: i looked at the synaptic, and mozilla-firefox is a green square, and it won't let me mark it for upgrade
[07:59] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: 0.9.3 is the latest for ubuntu
[07:59] <nathanieldelaney> yeah
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> bigbrother0074: sorry I was on crack
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> 0.9.3 is the latest
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> it was rolled back
[07:59] <Burgundavia> they have backported the security patches though
[07:59] <bigbrother0074> Burgundavia:  ahh...i was wondering about that
[08:00] <Burgundavia> I belive that 1.0pr was unstable
[08:00] <bigbrother0074> so....suggestions?  don't use it?
[08:01] <jdub> bigbrother0074: not atm
[08:01] <bigbrother0074> jdub:  eh?
[08:02] <jdub> don't use firefox 1.0PR1
[08:02] <bigbrother0074> jdub: yea, i got that
[08:03] <bigbrother0074> jdub:  but my problem is that when i type "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, the program either freezes, or completely shuts down
[08:03] <bigbrother0074> jdub: and i'm using 0.9.3
[08:03] <jdub> probably best to avoid typing "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, then ;)
[08:04] <bigbrother0074> but when i need help for "gnome" something...
[08:04] <spikeb> gr and gn work fine fo rme
[08:04] <spikeb> heh
[08:05] <bigbrother0074> how does my computer get so retarded so quickly?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: make a bookmark for www.google.com/linux :)
[08:06] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic: cool -- will do
[08:06] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: you get a nice penguin into the bargain that way ;)
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic: uh huh
[08:07] <Gmail> Microsoft Windows: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
[08:07] <Gmail> > UrbanDictionary.com
[08:07] <Gmail> rotfl
[08:07] <lhb> morning
[08:07] <Gmail> after noon
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> haha
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> good evening
[08:07] <Android16> hello
[08:08] <cef_work> good after evening
[08:10] <cef_work> well that killed the conversation
[08:12] <spikeb> sure did
[08:12] <spikeb> you nasty person you
[08:12] <thoreauputic> does this channel have a resident bot?
[08:12] <cef_work> spikeb: hey, wasn't me! blame Gmail, he mentioned Windows!
[08:13] <bob2___> no.
[08:13] <cef_work> thoreauputic: though a few people sure to act like them, right bob2? *grin*
[08:13] <bob2___> cef_work: only when avoiding work ;-)
[08:14] <thoreauputic> cef_work: yeah, I'm actually a bot, but I don't like to advertise it
[08:15] <cef_work> thoreauputic: so you're worried that people will treat you differently if they know you're a bot? </eliza>
[08:16] <thoreauputic> cef_work: is it because you have trouble with your life that you say so you're worried that people will treat you differently ?
[08:16] <bigbrother0074> so, is there any way to view flash yet?  last i heard they didn't have one for 64-bit architecture or something like that
[08:16] <cef_work> heh
[08:17] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: for some minimal functionality, you could recompile the free flash library
[08:17] <cef_work> thoreauputic: I used to run a BBS.. and we had this one girl who called (yes, a girl, calling a BBS, back in '92 at the time) who was so dumb she chatted to the AI Chat program for almost an hour before she realised it was a bot.
[08:18] <spikeb> i used to run a computer
[08:18] <thoreauputic> cef_work: I'll avoid questions about her hair colour... ;)
[08:18] <bigbrother0074> Burgundavia:  what's the effort/output ratio?
[08:18] <spikeb> :)
[08:18] <cef_work> thoreauputic: she was actually.. *grin*
[08:18] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: no idea, but I know that the free flash library doesn't support most of the features of flash
[08:18] <thoreauputic> cef_work: rofl
[08:18] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: as for the effort to compile on 64, no idea
[08:19] <ultrafunk> cef_work: dude, that could have described quite a few people :)
[08:19] <cef_work> ultrafunk: shush you.. mr cream guy!
[08:19] <bigbrother0074> berg: well, anything is better than nothing i guess...can you talk me through it or point me in the right direction?
[08:19] <Kaloz> re
[08:19] <Despair> bigbrother0074: libflash-mozplugin
[08:20] <spikeb> swfdec is better heh
[08:20] <bigbrother0074> Despair: what, apt-get install that?
[08:20] <Despair> spikeb: sure, but what's it's plugin for firefox?
[08:20] <spikeb> hmm
[08:22] <Despair> swf-player
[08:22] <bigbrother0074> Despair:  so what do i do?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: you have just hit the depth of my information
[08:23] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: I run 32bit, so I cannot help you
[08:23] <cef_work> thoreauputic: admittedly, the AI Chat program was fantastic at emulating people with a big enough database.. random answers, variable typing speed, pauses, typographical errors that made sense looking at a keyboard, reversed keystrokes, and even going back and correcting them.. all settable threshholds
[08:23] <bigbrother0074> Burgundavia:  haha, thanks anyway
[08:23] <Despair> bigbrother0074: `sudo apt-get install swf-player`
[08:23] <bigbrother0074> Despair:  ok, thanks
[08:24] <thoreauputic> cef_work: I tried the online eliza a few months ago and was quite amused/impressed
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[08:24] <cef_work> thoreauputic: unfortunately the author hasn't found the original source (in pascal) otherwise I'd have tried to munge it into irc.. could've been fun!
[08:24] <thoreauputic> cef_work: "she" was certainly better than the emacs shrink :)
[08:25] <cef_work> thoreauputic: hehe
[08:25] <thoreauputic> cef_work: although I like the way the emacs one tells you it will send you the bill when you sign off..
[08:27] <Burgundavia> cya all
[08:32] <HcE> hey, Debian Sid upgraded p firefox 0.10.1+1.PR-4 today
[08:34] <x43> i dont recall the setup asking me for a root password
[08:34] <bob2> x43: please read the faq
[08:34] <HcE> x43: correct, it is not set
[08:36] <jasund> I think the fact that root's password is not set is a great idea.  Anybody have problems with it?
[08:36] <bob2> people who don't read the FAQ have lors of problems
[08:36] <Zindar> I think that will become default in more distributions soon
[08:36] <tmartin> hi all
[08:37] <HcE> I tend to only use sudo
[08:37] <Zindar> it should be included in a startup-page ... it's a very common question
[08:37] <HcE> sudo -s when I feel like being god
[08:37] <bob2> Zindar: the installer prints it out!
[08:37] <tmartin> i just installed the essential build tools package for c/c++ development but it seems the libraries arent linked becuase im getting errors on cout when i already included iostream
[08:37] <Zindar> bob2: it does? it didn't in the preview I installed from
[08:37] <Zindar> cool
[08:38] <bob2> tmartin: you installed build-essential?
[08:38] <HcE> tmartin: "#include <iostream>" at top?
[08:38] <HcE> tmartin: and use cout as: "std::cout << "Hello world!" << std::endl;" ?
[08:39] <bob2> or add a "using namespace std;"
[08:39] <HcE> yep
[08:39] <bob2> but this has been standard for years now, your code must be ooooooooold ;)
[08:40] <bigbrother0074> back to the swf-player...i tested it at playmcd.com (it's the first place i could think of that used flash) and now, the flash screen comes up but i still am "unable to connet to the server, check your internet connection"  anybody else experience the same problem?
[08:40] <tmartin> i used the #include <iostream>
[08:40] <tmartin> and i tired std::cout
[08:40] <bob2> tmartin: paste your code to #flood
[08:40] <bob2> tmartin: or the error, even better
[08:45] <gruberman> good morning ;)
[08:46] <x43> where is the file located with the apt-get sources ?  tried an apt-get instal and it could not find the package but the website says it exists
[08:46] <stub> Where can I find console output from an application I launched through the GUI?
[08:47] <skyrider> stub: probably nowhere
[08:47] <bob2> x43: what file are you talking about?
[08:47] <bob2> stub: ~/.xsession-errors catches some of it
[08:47] <x43> apt-get nicotine
[08:47] <tmartin> how do you change ur hostname?
[08:47] <skyrider> edit /etc/hostname
[08:47] <bob2> x43: that doesn't do anything
[08:48] <bigbrother0074> x43: i would think to make sure the website you are looking for is in your list.sources file...
[08:48] <x43> apt-get install nicotine doesn't either
[08:48] <bob2> x43: "apt-get install nicotine" downloads and installs the package
[08:48] <bob2> x43: "dpkg -L nicotine" shows what files the package contains
[08:48] <x43> list.sources
[08:48] <x43> ok
[08:48] <x43> thank you
[08:49] <x43> i dont seem to have a list.sources
[08:49] <skyrider> sources.list
[08:49] <bob2> x43: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:49] <bigbrother0074> right, my bad
[08:49] <thoreauputic> /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:49] <stub> bob2: Ta. 'icky core dump confirmed :-(
[08:49] <bob2> stub: eek :(
[08:49] <bigbrother0074> i'm a newb..i don't know much
[08:49] <HcE> firefox in safemode are firefox --safe-mode?
[08:50] <HcE> I screwed up a theme =(
[08:50] <bob2> it hase a safe mode?
[08:50] <HcE> I thought so?
[08:50] <HcE> or a option to disable all themes and extensionss
[08:50] <HcE> -s
[08:50] <HcE> s/a/an/
[08:51] <HcE> it got on Windows...
[08:51] <bob2> what do you use it for/
[08:51] <HcE> I now get: "Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser"
[08:52] <tmartin> is there a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal?
[08:52] <skyrider> tmartin: no by default AFAIK
[08:52] <skyrider> but you can set it yourself
[08:52] <timothy> tmartin: if you're just looking for a command line, you could also switch to a VT
[08:53] <tmartin> sorry whats afaik?
[08:53] <tmartin> vt = vterm?
[08:53] <skyrider> As far as I know
[08:53] <timothy> tmartin: as far as I know
[08:53] <timothy> timothy: Yes. control-Alt-F[1-6] , at least for me, and that's pretty standard
[08:54] <timothy> Like, control-alt-f1, for instance
[08:54] <tmartin> where can i set keyboard shortcuts for gnome?
[08:54] <thoreauputic> alt-F7 to return to the GUI
[08:54] <timothy> thoreauputic: yes, thanks :)
[08:54] <timothy> Heh, I had forgotten to note that.
[08:54] <lhb> thats a good one to remember
[08:54] <thoreauputic> timothy: a common problem on first attempts :)
[08:55] <thoreauputic> timothy: where did my desktop go???
[08:55] <timothy> heh
[08:55] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic:  i didn't see your message about returning to the gui until after i just now had to figure that out for myself.....hahaha
[08:55] <timothy> It's also a good primitive locking system :)
[08:55] <skyrider> tmartin: I don't remember now (I'm not at home)
[08:55] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: well done you :)
[08:55] <tmartin> np ill just tool around and see if i can find it
[08:56] <skyrider> tmartin: it's somewhere in user preferences in gnome menu
[08:56] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic:  well, i'd heard them before, i just couldn't remember if that was actually one of them
[08:56] <timothy> I wish (wish, wish) that every app did it the way the GIMP does; open a menu, highlight an option, and click the keys you want to assign to it.
[08:56] <stevedeo> Anyone know what package holds `dos2unix'?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: actually ctrl-alt-F7 works too - just isn't necessary from a tty
[08:57] <crimsun> stevedeo: sysutils
[08:57] <stevedeo> Thanks
[08:57] <Despair> stevedeo: try fromdos/todos in sysutils
[08:58] <bob2> stevedeo: sysutiols
[08:58] <bob2> iios.
[08:59] <x43> how do i access my ntfs partitions on the same hd ?  i tried editing /etc/fstab the best i could.  /dev/hd1 and /dev/hd2 dont seem to exist ?
[08:59] <crimsun> hdX[12]  where X is a,b,c,...
[08:59] <bob2> x43: are they on hda?
[08:59] <bob2> (your first ide hard disk)
[08:59] <x43> yes bob
[09:00] <x43> they are ntfs partitions
[09:00] <x43> my linux install is also on hda
[09:00] <bob2> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[09:00] <x43> oh its been so long -- thank you
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> apooopoooo!
[09:11] <udo> Hello, the evoltuion junk mail filter isnt working for me ;-(
[09:12] <udo> i trained it and have both checkboxes in the options marked
[09:12] <udo> but no mails are filtered
[09:12] <skyrider> On the page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate there are few words about "Package Selection Proposal process". Where can I read more about it? I'd like to suggest few packages for inclusion into main (and ship it on CD's) but don't know what is the best way to do it. :( Any ideas?
[09:12] <Treenaks> skyrider: like?
[09:12] <bob2> udo: did you install spamassassin?
[09:13] <udo> do i have to?
[09:13] <udo> no
[09:13] <udo> ups
[09:13] <tuxakka> k3b setup expects root passwd (kdesu) and doesn't seems to understand this sudo thing?
[09:13] <bob2> udo: yes.
[09:13] <skyrider> Treenaks: 'Downloader for X'
[09:13] <bob2> tuxakka: yes, k3b has weird bugs
[09:13] <Treenaks> skyrider: you mean the download manager in firefox..
[09:15] <skyrider> no
[09:15] <skyrider> I'll give your URL in few seconds
[09:15] <udo> why didnt evolution tell me that!!
[09:15] <bob2> udo: it does
[09:15] <udo> stupid evolution ( and stupid me )
[09:15] <bob2> Recommends: mozilla-psm (>= 2:1.7), gnome-pilot-conduits (>= 2.0.9), gnome-desktop-data, spamassassin
[09:15] <udo> no it didnt!
[09:15] <bob2> it should probably give an error when you try to train it, tho
[09:15] <skyrider> Treenaks: it is great download manager written in GTK+ 2, easy to use yet very powerfull!
[09:16] <skyrider> URL of it: http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/
[09:16] <tuxakka> ok bob2, what about cdrecord should one has this (hdc=ide-scsi) on default ubuntu is without that and -scanbus don't find the device?
[09:16] <bob2> skyrider: what does it do that firefox doesn't?
[09:16] <bob2> tuxakka: don't use ide-scsi at all
[09:16] <bob2> tuxakka: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or whatever
[09:16] <bob2> mithrandir?
[09:16] <x43> how do i edit /etc/fstab so that a ntfs mounted partition can be read by any user ?  not just by root ?
[09:16] <tfheen> hiya bob2
[09:17] <skyrider> bob2: please read about it's features on official site (url above)
[09:17] <bob2> skyrider: I've used it myself
[09:17] <tuxakka> ok, thanks bob2
[09:17] <bob2> tfheen: I ended up getting the p150, very happy with it
[09:17] <tfheen> bob2: nice to hear :)
[09:18] <skyrider> bob2: so??? it's just great. I know many people who use it every day
[09:18] <tfheen> I'm going to pick up my 512MB card today, will be nice.
[09:19] <bob2> skyrider: but what features does it have that "normal" users want, that firefox doesn't provide?
[09:19] <x43> i am trying to access a directory that only root can see from mount a ntfs directory as a user
[09:19] <skyrider> bob2: Good support to resume broken downloads
[09:19] <bob2> skyrider: if firefox's resumption doesn't work, please file a bug
[09:19] <bob2> tfheen: hah, wow
[09:24] <bob2> tfheen: still only like ~200 photos at the highest res or so, I guess
[09:24] <skyrider> bob2: that's a know firefox bug it's already in bugzilla for a long time.
[09:24] <skyrider> bob2: it seems it will not fixed soon
[09:24] <tfheen> bob2: yeah, around that.. still enough for a few days of going crazy.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> skyrider: wget ;-)
[09:24] <skyrider> thoreauputic: :) Is Ubuntu oriented towards desktop users? Yes? Then d4x is just great for them, not wget.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> skyrider: I hope you noticed the ;-)
[09:24] <skyrider> d4x also support downloading in multiple streams (I know its evil but many users like it)
[09:24] <Treenaks> skyrider: it doesn't help transfer rates..
[09:24] <skyrider> thoreauputic: yes :)
[09:24] <skyrider> Treenaks: sometimes help
[09:24] <Treenaks> skyrider: no, it doesn't help..
[09:24] <GOwin> how do i rename ethernet devices? eth0 is being detected in ubuntu as eth2.
[09:24] <GOwin> i'm trying to configure firstarter but it insists that it cannot see eth2.
[09:24] <skyrider> And my favorite feature of d4x is support for recursive download from ftp AND HTTP
[09:25] <skyrider> Treenaks: if server admins limit transfer rate on per connection basis then using multiple connections you can greatly increase download speed
[09:25] <Treenaks> skyrider: does it obey robots.txt ?
[09:25] <Treenaks> skyrider: yes, but the server limits for a reason
[09:26] <skyrider> Treenaks: I don't know about robots.txt (I'm not a developer of dx4 :))
[09:27] <Treenaks> skyrider: still, it'd be better to use bittorrent for large files :)
[09:27] <skyrider> Treenaks: Of course you will
[09:28] <skyrider> But I am and many other people in third-world countries have very bad dialup connection (33600) so all those downloads are just pain in the ass. Bittorrent make thing only weorse.
[09:29] <skyrider> Treenaks: Please install d4x (it's in universe now AFAIK) and give it a try. I hope you'll like it.
[09:30] <Treenaks> skyrider: I know I won't like it, because I have wget
[09:30] <skyrider> Treenaks: "Unix syndrome" he-he ;)
[09:31] <Treenaks> skyrider: no, I just never left my terminal since DOS 2.1 ;)
[09:32] <skyrider> Treenaks: I'm a "terminal addict" too.
[09:32] <Treenaks> skyrider: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282
[09:32] <Treenaks> skyrider: I don't trust GUI apps with my downloads... they crash too often :)
[09:33] <skyrider> But I think that _many_ newbies will like d4x especially after all those windows downloaders like FleshGet, ReGet etc
[09:34] <skyrider> Treenaks: I didn't trust them too. But d4x works, just works. :)
[09:34] <cef_work> Treenaks: under KDe I don't mind kget
[09:34] <cef_work> Treenaks: and while i know that's kde, the princible is the same
[09:34] <Treenaks> cef_work: I have the same feeling in KDE as in Windows: that it can fall away from under my mouse cursor any second
[09:34] <skyrider> cef_work: In GNOME you don't have such feeling?
[09:35] <Treenaks> skyrider: no
[09:35] <cef_work> Treenaks: if it saves state regularly to disk, then it should be able to resume
[09:35] <Treenaks> skyrider: gnome feels solid
[09:35] <zverj> people, i need to compile my ubuntu for SMP, where can I get kernel source? apt-get shows latest is 2.6.7, however 2.6.8.1 binary is default one :/
[09:35] <skyrider> Treenaks: Great! d4x is the GNOME app (actually only GTK+). So it feels solid too. :)))
[09:36] <cef_work> zverj: there are smp binaries already pre-compiled, or should be.
[09:36] <Treenaks> I agree that the should be a "good" download manager, but not one that's so l33t that it can do multiple streams, etc,etc.
[09:36] <Treenaks> simple 'download this file', with pause/continue, and maybe a 'download tree' option.. that's it
[09:36] <cef_work> I don't like the moz download manager.. it's..  flaky
[09:37] <skyrider> cef_work: me too :(
[09:37] <cef_work> whereas kget works well for me, but of course, ymmv
[09:37] <zverj> cef_work, thanks. hope it will work
[09:37] <altan> well, here goes, I'll be back in a fresh install of Ubuntu in about an hour, hopefully
[09:38] <cef_work> but then again, that's when I use kde, which is when I use debian usually
[09:39] <skyrider> Every time I use moz/firefox downloader I hope my internet connection will not broke just now. If it brokes then it's very possible I'll need to download that file from the very beginning. :(
[09:39] <tmartin> hi there
[09:39] <anders> Just had some serious problems. On startup tmpfs would not mount, so lots of stuff like udev and networking did not work. Got a lot of error messages saying kernel not supporting foo and bar, so I figured something was wrong with linux-image or grub. So I booted with cd, chrooted removed and installed grub and linux-image. Debconf said /dev/fd didn't exist, so linux-image could not be configured. Damn, no kernel. I looked at /dev/fd, is a link to
[09:39] <anders> something on /proc, and proc was not mounted? Trying to mount proc, /proc is not a directory. rm proc, mkdir proc, mount /proc /proc -t proc, apt-get -f install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686. Things seems to work and me very happy. Anybody knows what happened to my proc?
[09:40] <verden01> hi
[09:40] <skyrider> I want to have good, robust featured GUI downloader on my desktop independently from browser (but tightly integrated with it)
[09:40] <tmartin> i have a windows partition that ubuntu seems not to recognize.  The grub booter doesnt list windows as an OS.  How to i enter windows in manually
[09:40] <Treenaks> tmartin: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:40] <Treenaks> tmartin: it has an example
[09:40] <verden01> hey does anyone know if the Ubuntu CD's have arrived in Australia yet?
[09:41] <cef_work> must admit that kget is quite feature-ful, but not over the top. ie: you can import and export file lists, tell it how long between list saving, auto-disconnect and auto-shutdown when finished, queue and timer support, and speed/connection limiting.
[09:42] <Treenaks> verden01: /topic
[09:42] <verden01> oh
[09:42] <cef_work> skyrider: I'll definitely have to look at d4x though.. cos it's one of the things I miss from kde
[09:42] <verden01> :-)
[09:42] <skyrider> kget depends on KDE. That's showstopper for me.
[09:42] <skyrider> cef_work: thanks.
[09:43] <x43> i'm sorry but i've read the man pages for fstab and for adduser and related links but i cannot figure out how to get a user to gain permission to a root mounted filesystem
[09:43] <cef_work> skyrider: well when running ubuntu, same for me
[09:43] <Treenaks> x43: man mount -- look for umask
[09:43] <Treenaks> x43: and uid, and gid
[09:44] <cef_work> x43: and if you're mounting it as root cos you can't mount it as a user, look at pmount
[09:44] <skyrider> cef_work: can you send me email with your opinion about d4x after that?
[09:44] <cef_work> skyrider: depends how much time i get. *grin*
[09:45] <anders> anybody knows what could have caused my problem? Kind of hard reporting a bug when I have no idea what happened
[09:45] <skyrider> cef_work: thanks anyway :)
[09:45] <cef_work> skyrider: so you wrote d4x? or is it just something you're interested in?
[09:46] <skyrider> cef_work: No. I'm just interested in and I know many people who interested in it too.
[09:47] <skyrider> cef_work: I use it about two years.
[09:47] <cef_work> skyrider: cool.. looking at the webpage now..
[09:47] <tuxakka> is it useful to add root to system?
[09:47] <bob2> anders: did you use a non-ubuntu kerenl to begin with?
[09:48] <anders> bob2: no, was ubuntu kernel I had apt-get installed
[09:49] <Treenaks> tuxakka: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:49] <cef_work> skyrider: well just installed it on the dual opteron out of universe, so I'll have a look soon. *grin*
[09:53] <skyrider> Can I find logs of this channel somewhere in the net?
[09:53] <anders> bob2: same as I'm using now, the newest 686 version + restricted modules and nvidia, but someting happened to proc that seems to have gotten fixed by me doing "rm /proc, mkdir /proc" while booted and chrooted with the ubuntu-cd?
[09:53] <bob2> anders: /proc is empty until it's mountede
[09:54] <bob2> anders: and you can't delete files from it anyway
[09:54] <bob2> well, maybe you can, but it's not useful
[09:57] <anders> bob2: yes, but I think it was something wrong with it, when I did "ls -l /" it had ---------- permissions, now that it works it has drwxr-xr-x permissions, thats after me removing it and mkdir-ing it
[09:58] <amin2> guys, how to change the "copy" mode to "move" mode if you drag a file/folder to another partition?
[09:58] <bob2> anders: ah, hat could do it
[09:58] <bob2> anders: but that's very very weird
[09:58] <anders> bob2: hat?
[09:59] <bob2> that
[09:59] <skyrider> I have to leave irc now. cef_work, please mail me your opinion about d4x to alexey.molchanov | at | gmail dot com
[09:59] <altan> I tried to start the install, but it stops at 41% when it's scanning my partitions and loading the appropriate drivers for my drives, so I alt+f3'ed to the terminal that shows exactly what it's doing and it looks like it's screwing up over the fact that i don't have a floppy drive
[09:59] <anders> bob2: yes it's weird, could it be file system corruption?
[10:00] <bob2> anders: yeah
[10:00] <altan> i386 Install, 2 SATA disks (non-RAID), 2 disc drives
[10:01] <anders> bob2: I have ext3, never had any problems with it before..
[10:02] <altan> anyone? help on installing ubuntu with no FDD?
[10:02] <bob2> chill dude
[10:02] <bob2> lots of people have done that successfully
[10:02] <cef_work> altan: should work
[10:02] <Keybuk> Ubuntu doesn't have boot floppies, so shouldn't make a difference
[10:03] <Keybuk> certainly none of my machines have (working)? floppy drives
[10:03] <Keybuk> two laptops don't have one at all, desktop has a broken one
[10:03] <altan> it doesn't, I know, but it spazzes out while trying to load a floppy driver on my machine, which has no floppy drive
[10:03] <cef_work> might think it can see a floppy, but the driver is not detecting it and dying for some reason
[10:04] <altan> i think i have floppy support disabled in the bios, maybe it doesn't recognize that option, perhaps i should enable it?
[10:04] <cef_work> altan: well if you have no luck otherwise, give it a shot. it might be confusing the installer.. of course, you should be able to turn it back off afterwards
[10:04] <altan> hmm, okay
[10:05] <amin2> guys, how to change the "copy" mode to "move" mode if you drag a file/folder to another partition?
[10:05] <Treenaks> amin2: using shift or ctrl or alt I guess
[10:05] <amin2> ok, i'll try first...
[10:05] <bob2> or right-click -> copy
[10:06] <Treenaks> amin2: it'll change the mouse cursor ("+" is copy, "nothing" is move, "?" is ask)
[10:09] <amin2> Treenaks: shift key is the one..
[10:09] <anders> I have a little sound problem with my soundblaster extigy, aumix shows pcm and pcm2 which I have set to 100%, alsamixer does not find any soundcard, and the sound is to low(sounds like 60%)
[10:10] <anders> /etc/init.d/alsa start, says alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...
[10:10] <bob2> do you need to use that in ubuntu?
[10:10] <bob2> do you have alsa drivers loaded?
[10:12] <anders> bob2: I don't need alsa, but I would like to try if I could get better sound volume with it. I thought the alsa init script loaded the drivers
[10:13] <bob2> anders: no, I meant the init script
[10:14] <anders> bob2: yes the init script will not load, giving error message not finding soundcard
[10:14] <amin2> I have an error during booting process: usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:14] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:14] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:14] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:14] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:14] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19. Btw, i don't have usb4
[10:14] <bob2> anders: ignore the init script
[10:14] <bob2> anders: are the alsa modules loaded?
[10:15] <anders> bob2: what's the name of them?
[10:15] <bob2> anders: snd_
[10:15] <anders> lsmod | grep snd
[10:16] <anders> snd_usb_audio          70880  0
[10:16] <anders> snd_rawmidi            24704  1 snd_usb_audio
[10:16] <anders> snd_seq_device          8040  1 snd_rawmidi
[10:16] <anders> snd_pcm_oss            52968  0
[10:16] <anders> snd_mixer_oss          19456  1 snd_pcm_oss
[10:16] <anders> snd_pcm                95140  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss
[10:16] <anders> snd_page_alloc         11432  1 snd_pcm
[10:16] <anders> snd_timer              24900  1 snd_pcm
[10:16] <anders> snd                    55300  7 snd_usb_audio,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[10:16] <anders> soundcore              10112  4 snd,audio
[10:16] <anders> usbcore               115684  5 snd_usb_audio,audio,uhci_hcd
[10:17] <bob2> erm, you don't need to show me
[10:17] <bob2> you have a usb audio device?
[10:17] <anders> bob2: yes it's an soundblaster extigy
[10:18] <bob2> ouch
[10:18] <bob2> does linux support that?
[10:18] <fabbione> yes it does
[10:18] <Treenaks> Ferry: #ubuntu-nl is the Dutch-language support channel, if you like
[10:18] <fabbione> i am using it :)
[10:19] <anders> bob2: kind of, I have sound, but very low..
[10:19] <fabbione> oh the usb one
[10:19] <fabbione> sorry
[10:21] <amin2> Even during the boot I have an error on usb checking
[10:22] <amin2> usb usb4: string descriptor 0 read error: -19
[10:23] <Treenaks> amin2: no IRQ problems?
[10:24] <amin2> nope
[10:24] <amin2> I don't have usb4, i only have 3 usb
[10:24] <Treenaks> amin2: it's about the USB controllers...
[10:24] <Treenaks> amin2: there can be more controllers than ports
[10:25] <amin2> do you know to delete the "more controllers"
[10:26] <Treenaks> not
[10:40] <MeAndU> I am having a problem with a Yukon Gigabit ethernet card, the device is listed in the device manager but is not coming up, i am using DHCP
[10:40] <bob2> MeAndU: does "dmesg | grep eth0" know about it?
[10:40] <MeAndU> bob2, Yes saying network connection up using port A
[10:41] <bob2> MeAndU: how about "dhclient eth0", does that get you an ip?
[10:44] <MeAndU> bob2, sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 then kept dhcp discover until no DHCPOFFERS received
[10:45] <bob2> are yo usure your dhcp server is working?
[10:45] <jono> hi all
[10:45] <jono> when I try to use the GNOME music player, it says the ALSA device is being used by another program, how can I find out which program is using it?
[10:46] <joem> lsof /dev/snd/* might work
[10:47] <jono> cheers
[10:47] <Pizbit> Probably esd
[10:47] <Dashiva> jono, what kind of card is it
[10:47] <jono> Dashiva, Delta 44
[10:48] <jono> its only GNOME Music Player that does it
[10:48] <Dashiva> yeah
[10:48] <Dashiva> rhythymbox
[10:48] <Dashiva> try opening synaptic
[10:48] <Dashiva> well
[10:48] <schweeb> set alsa to use esd
[10:48] <Dashiva> crap that's in debian
[10:48] <Dashiva> yeah
[10:48] <MeAndU> bob2, NO IP sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 then kept dhcp discover until no DHCPOFFERS received
[10:49] <schweeb> sit0 is for ipv6, MeAndU
[10:51] <jono> cheers, I will check into it a bit later
[10:52] <joem> jono, you can run gstreamer-properties and set the audio sink to esd, then all gstreamer apps will use esd
[10:52] <gruberman> jono: Is there a driver for that card in linux?
[10:53] <jono> gruberman, yeah, I am using it now
[10:53] <jono> joem, cool, but will apps that still need alsa still work?
[10:53] <Dashiva> yeah
[10:53] <gruberman> jono: Ok, nice to have support for other cards then gaming cards
[10:54] <jono> gruberman, yeah, it seems pretty good support :)
[10:54] <jono> I ordered doom III and I will need to have ESD emulation working when it arrives
[10:55] <gruberman> :)
[10:55] <Treenaks> jono: ESD emulation??
[10:55] <bob2> MeAndU: are you sure you have a working dhcp server?
[10:55] <jono> Treenaks, yeah, isnt that where ALSA can act as ESD?
[10:55] <jono> oh no, maybe it was OSS emulation hehe
[10:56] <joem> yea that is oss emulation
[10:56] <x43> where do you make those settings ?
[10:56] <jono> d'oh!
[10:57] <x43> alsa to oss emulation for mp3's how ?
[10:57] <Treenaks> x43: eh?
[10:57] <x43> i am trying to get the native media player to work
[10:57] <Treenaks> x43: "native media player"?
[10:57] <x43> "music player"
[10:58] <x43> i have alsa sound
[10:58] <Treenaks> x43: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:10] <gruberman> if I download the java sdk from sun, is it ok to put it in /usr/local/jdk5?
[11:11] <bob2> yes
[11:11] <gruberman> thx. bob2 to the rescue again ;)
[11:11] <bob2> heh
[11:13] <gruberman> maybe I should read abit about dirs in linux
[11:16] <altan> that was a really fast setup, I'm impressed
[11:17] <gruberman> altan: :)
[11:17] <altan> is there a way I can manually enter my monitor h/v scan rates from the GUI or will I have to use xf86config?
[11:17] <Mithrandir> altan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, iirc
[11:17] <gruberman> you can do that from the gui if im not mistaken
[11:19] <tmartin> good morning :)
[11:19] <tmartin> does anyone know how to make emacs color code certain statements in c/c++?  thx
[11:19] <jamesh> gruberman: the GUI resolution switcher uses the RANDR protocol, so if your X server config is wrong (doesn't include some modes the monitor can do, or the frequecies are wrong), it won't help.
[11:20] <jamesh> tmartin: M-x font-lock-mode ?
[11:20] <altan> isn't there a config file I can edit somewherE?
[11:20] <altan> I seem to remember doing it on Gentoo a few times, which directory is it in again?
[11:20] <tmartin> lemme try that jamesh
[11:20] <Pizbit> altan: You'll have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:20] <Pizbit> It's fairly obvious where to edit.
[11:20] <jamesh> altan: the command Mithrandir gave should do what you want.
[11:21] <Pizbit> Pah, just edit the file, it's quicker and simpler:)
[11:21] <altan> yeah, that's what I want to do
[11:21] <altan> I just want to change one setting, I'm afraid I'll break it if I change the wrong part
[11:22] <Pizbit> altan: Nah, open the file and you'll see
[11:22] <gruberman> jamesh: k, maybe you can answer this too :) at login I have 1280x768(my monitor can olny do 65hz in that res.) How do I change that to 1024x768?
[11:22] <Dashiva> there's a screen rez switcher under computer->system configuration in the menu
[11:22] <jamesh> gruberman: the resolution control panel should let you change the setting for after login
[11:22] <altan> I hope the root password is in the FAQ, because the install didn't ask me for a root password
[11:22] <Pizbit> altan: sudo
[11:23] <jamesh> gruberman: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should let you change the default mode though.
[11:23] <jamesh> (which is used on the login screen)
[11:23] <Pizbit> Yikes
[11:23] <Treenaks> altan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:23] <Pizbit> Just make 1024x768 the first resolution for the colour depth you're using in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:24] <binary_10> can someone help? im tring to install gdesklets.. but when i run ./configure i get an error that XML:Parser perl module is required. how can i install this?
[11:25] <gruberman> thx jamesh
[11:25] <DashZzZ> because it's gota  gui dammit
[11:25] <DashZzZ> or
[11:25] <Treenaks> Pizbit: because if you use dpkg-reconfigure, the file can be updated if you upgrade X
[11:25] <DashZzZ> a curses based quasi gui
[11:25] <Treenaks> Pizbit: otherwise you'll have to do that yourself
[11:26] <Pizbit> DashZzZ: Reconfiguring the package involves knowledge of the rest of your setup that was autodetected doesn't it?:)
[11:26] <DashZzZ> yeah
[11:26] <DashZzZ> i dunno
[11:26] <jamesh> Pizbit: the defaults during the reconfigure should be your current settings though.
[11:26] <Pizbit> So, re-configure a whole package or change 8 or so characters in a file, hrm!
[11:26] <altan> for some reason, Firefox isn't connecting to any web site
[11:26] <DashZzZ> dpkg-reconfigure still messes up some things, like if you need to load modules
[11:27] <DashZzZ> or in my case where i have dual head
[11:27] <DashZzZ> which bloody nvidia still hasn't made agui for :/
[11:28] <altan> is there anything I have to do to "activate" Firefox?
[11:28] <Pizbit> daniels: nvidia-settings something else eh?
[11:28] <Treenaks> altan: firefox should just work..
[11:28] <altan> nm, started to worjk
[11:28] <DashZzZ> nah it won't help you setup dual head
[11:28] <mctavish> While you guys are on the subject, my videocard was originally misdetected (known bug according to bugzilla).
[11:28] <DashZzZ> still needs to be by hand
[11:28] <Pizbit> er, DashZzZ even heh
[11:29] <mctavish> ... I've been using the vesa driver, but I have a radeon 9600xt. Should i run this package reconfiguration command?
[11:29] <altan> it's working, but it's inexplicably slow at loading
[11:29] <altan> where can I check my connection speed? I'm on dialup
[11:29] <DashZzZ> unfortunately nvidia-settings doesn't do a whole lot,
[11:29] <DashZzZ> though it will in the future i understand
[11:30] <DashZzZ> matrox powerdesk was it
[11:31] <DashZzZ> and especially because it's -- <--- this difficult to parse a XF86Config file i can't see why not
[11:32] <altan> hmm, the scan rates listed online are the same as in the config file, yet I still don't get 100Hz for 1280x1024. Again, on Windows, I had to either load Philips's own drivers or uncheck "Show only refresh rates that my monitor can show" to get 100Hz
[11:32] <binary_10> does anyone know the package name of the xml parser?
[11:32] <altan> so how else can I force 100Hz?
[11:32] <DashZzZ> it could be a graphics card driver
[11:32] <altan> nah, it's not the driver
[11:33] <DashZzZ> then you'd probably have to bump the horizrefresh to something
[11:33] <altan> I used 3 different cards with this monitor, they all gave that until I loaded the Philips monitor driver
[11:33] <tmartin> how do i put M-x font-lock-mode in a .emacs file
[11:33] <tmartin> whats teh setq command
[11:33] <altan> see, there's got to be a way to calculate that
[11:33] <altan> just need to know how
[11:33] <DashZzZ> google?
[11:33] <DashZzZ> i know there's a calculation method
[11:33] <tmartin> lisp doesnt like "setq(font-lock-mode 0)"
[11:34] <altan> brb
[11:35] <DashZzZ> wow
[11:35] <DashZzZ> there's a python rhythmbox to xchat script
[11:35] <DashZzZ> and it works
[11:36] <Pizbit> heh
[11:36] <Pizbit> *g* /exec -o dcop amarok player nowPlaying
[11:37] <DashZzZ> looks more complicated than that
[11:37] <DashZzZ> pipes it through gnome-python or something
[11:44] <altan> what's the parameter to have a terminal program run in the background, like wvdial?
[11:44] <sparkes> altan, & at the end
[11:46] <altan> thanks
[11:46] <altan> do I upgrade my stuff with Synaptic?
[11:46] <altan> *update
[11:46] <stvn> altan: press the reload button
[11:47] <stvn> altan: than, mark upgrades and apply
[11:47] <phill> in irssi, how do i switch to conversations > 10
[11:47] <Pizbit> phill: Does ctrl+pgup/pgdown work? Just a guess heh
[11:47] <altan> does hitting Smart Upgrade select everything I need or more than I need? lots of packages here
[11:47] <stvn> phill: /window #
[11:48] <stvn> altan: smart upgrade upgrades everything you have and the packages you need with that upgrade, nothing more, nothing less
[11:48] <Zindar> altan: use normal update
[11:48] <Zindar> upgrade
[11:48] <Zindar> sorry
[11:48] <Zindar> ahh
[11:48] <stvn> Zindar: smart-update is better
[11:49] <Zindar> stvn: not unless you are changing between distributions/releases
[11:49] <phill> stvn thanks
[11:49] <altan> ack, closed Xchat by accident
[11:50] <stvn> Zindar: true, although sometimes there are update that require a smart-upgrade within a release, but I guess that won't happen in ubuntu anyway
[11:50] <smo> any pointers to installing java? (for the mozilla plugin)
[11:50] <stvn> smo: checked the wiki?
[11:50] <Zindar> stvn: shouldn't now since warty is stable... will happen on hoary  :)
[11:51] <stvn> smo: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:51] <smo> heh, I hadn't actually .. I'd seen a link bouncing around that was off-site, but couldn't recall it .. I'll start with the wiki tho
[11:51] <stvn> Zindar: indeed
[11:51] <smo> stvn: Thanks
[11:51] <stvn> Zindar: but if someone has a RC install, it's wiser to use smart-upgrade, and since there were apprently a lot of packages that wanted to be upgraded I guess it was an RC
[11:53] <altan> hmm, in Synaptic it says I have Firefox 1PR, but Firefox itself says 0.9.3 in "About Firefox"
[11:54] <Zindar> altan: check the full version number in synaptic
[11:54] <stvn> altan: check the version, it's something complicated here: 0.99+1.0PR+revertedto0.9.3
[11:54] <Zindar> it should say 0.99+1.0PR1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3
[11:54] <Zindar> ohh.. that's a version number :)
[11:54] <stvn> altan: I guess it means that you have 09.3 with quite some features from .99 and 1
[11:56] <malte> why didn't ubuntu include 1.0pr instead?
[11:56] <bob2> too buggy
[11:56] <stvn> it was found to buggy
[11:56] <Pizbit> malte: *some* found it too buggy:)
[11:56] <malte> i think it works like a charm :)
[11:56] <Pizbit> Me too
[11:57] <Pizbit> RC1 is much improved though
[11:57] <Mithrandir> we'll have 1.0 for Hoary, then, I guess. :)
[11:58] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: or an even newer version, maybe
[11:59] <malte> i think ubuntu should've been based on sid instead of sarge
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: possibly, yes.
[11:59] <Mithrandir> malte: it is.
[11:59] <malte> oh? i thought it was based on sarge
[11:59] <malte> bob2 said it was
[11:59] <malte> iirc :)
[11:59] <bob2> it was based on sid
[11:59] <Mithrandir> warty's based on a late june sid snapshot with updates and fixes pulled in.
[12:00] <malte> oh well
[12:01] <aLi`> I get one "Fatal Error" on booting up having to do with "inserting hw_random..."
[12:01] <Treenaks> aLi`: it looks worse than it is
[12:02] <aLi`> i dont want it :)
[12:05] <ondrej> I just upgraded one of our woody+backports to ubuntu and I encountered error when installing linux-686 image.  It bails off on mkinitrd: RAID support requires raidtools2.  But I have raidtools2 installed.
[12:08] <ondrej> and I have raidtools2 installed
[12:13] <mjr> hm, ifplugd really wants to be in main
[12:16] <Treenaks> mjr: it needs fixing before that
[12:16] <Treenaks> mjr: (i.e. cooperation with hotplug/udev)
[12:17] <mjr> ok
[12:18] <Treenaks> mjr: it brings up interfaces etc, once it detects them.. that includes just after hotplug loads the module and brings up the interface
[12:18] <Treenaks> mjr: also, it brings down an interface when you unplug the cable -- breaking all open TCP connections, which is Evil and Wrong(tm)
[12:21] <jono> where is the script that will create /dev/video* devices? as in, a MAKEDEV script or something for V4L devices
[12:22] <Treenaks> jono: just load the drivers
[12:22] <Treenaks> jono: udev will create the devices for you
[12:22] <jono> is devfs not used any more?
[12:22] <Treenaks> no, udev replaces devfs
[12:22] <jono> I thought it was deprecated
[12:22] <jono> has the transition been made now in the kernel?
[12:23] <Treenaks> well, you can use devfs, but that's discouraged and ubuntu uses udev
[12:23] <jono> but does a stock kernel from kernel.org use udev by default?
[12:23] <Treenaks> udev is a userspace thing
[12:23] <jono> how much take up of udev is there?
[12:24] <Treenaks> you need to install it separately.. 2.6 kernels support it (it works with sysfs)
[12:24] <jono> outside of ubuntu, I mean
[12:24] <Treenaks> most distributions have it, or will use it in the next version
[12:24] <JoakimZiegler> jono: FC3 will use it, Novell will use it...
[12:24] <jono> right, so I can discourage devfs in my writing
[12:24] <Treenaks> jono: pretty much, yes
[12:25] <jono> thanks Treenaks :)
[12:25] <Treenaks> jono: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[12:25] <jono> Treenaks, thanks
[12:25] <Treenaks> jono: it explains udev basics as well
[12:26] <jono> cool
[12:31] <Kamion> jono: note, FWIW, that the installer still uses devfs.
[12:31] <jono> Kamion, oh really? thats interesting, why is that?
[12:32] <Kamion> jono: historical
[12:33] <Kamion> jono: that part of the installer was written before devfs was deprecated, and it's a fairly big upheaval to shift
[12:34] <jono> right
[12:35] <jono> Kamion, what would I need to do to persuade you guys to include Blender as a program in main?
[12:36] <gruberman> Or cakewalk sonar 4? :)
[12:36] <__daniel> hai
[12:36] <jdub> jono: why do you need it in main?
[12:37] <MeAndU> bob2, I still have the same problem with my eth0, dhclient etho kept DHCPDISCOVER then no DHCPOFFERS received. What could be the problme
[12:39] <vrln> MeAndU: your internet connection is propably having trouble... I get those errors sometimes when my isp isn't working
[12:39] <jono> jdub, I was just curious which apps go into main and what the criteria is - universe is only synced with unstable occassionally isnt it?
[12:39] <MeAndU> vrln, I have another ubuntu pc in same network working well
[12:39] <jdub> jono: the upstream version freeze applies to the entire distribution at the same time
[12:40] <MeAndU> vrln, in fact its the one i am chatting with
[12:40] <jdub> jono: throughout the non-frozen months of hoary, it'll be synced daily. then case-by-case sync requests for bugfixes after that.
[12:40] <vrln> hm, then I have no idea :/
[12:40] <jdub> jono: so there's no update regularity benefit
[12:40] <jdub> jono: none of us have the expertise required to *support* blender
[12:41] <jdub> jono: but people who do could make it nice in universe
[12:41] <jono> jdub, right - so is the syncing occuring at the moment now warty is out?
[12:41] <JoakimZiegler> jdub: Hey, what's up?
[12:41] <jdub> jono: yes, look at the hoary Packages.gz
[12:41] <jdub> oh, hi JoakimZiegler
[12:41] <Pizbit> Hrm, have any emails arrived on the ubuntu-users list in the past few minutes from pizbit@gmail? It seems to be hanging on sending currently:(
[12:41] <jono> jdub, ok cool, thanks for explaining this to me :)
[12:42] <JoakimZiegler> jdub: I was wondering what an aging web- and Python-hacker could do to possibly help Ubuntu.
[12:42] <jdub> JoakimZiegler: it's very open-ended atm :-)
[12:44] <JoakimZiegler> jdub: Just liking the project a lot, figured there might be something to do.
[12:46] <MeAndU> vrln, You could be right, i will check the cable and switch
[12:59] <ubiq> hy guys
[12:59] <lhb> hi
[01:00] <ubiq> i hav a dual boot system, and yesterday my xp crashed to systematically booting into blue screen:) i reinstalled, but it replaced my mbr. how can i restore the grub to  the mbr?
[01:03] <kensai> my network was automagically detected now I don't know how to use a printer that is in the other computer of my network
[01:04] <blackb0x> u could boot via cd and obtain a shell to restore it
[01:04] <ubiq> i figured that out, yet i don't know the way to restoer the grub through a shell
[01:05] <blackb0x> try- info grub-install
[01:06] <ubiq> blackbox, ok, thanks:)
[01:12] <gruberman> brb!
[01:26] <jesper> Hi, Any Danes around?
[01:27] <gruberman> <- swedish ;)
[01:27] <blackb0x> -- industri@L ScRiPt -- by -- industri@L cReW --
[01:28] <daniels> good god that was ugly
[01:29] <jesper> gruberman, close..
[01:30] <gruberman> :)
[01:30] <jesper> gruberman, how is the Swedish support in Ubuntu at the moment?
[01:31] <gruberman> jesper: really good
[01:31] <jesper> gruberman: OpenOffice too? firefox?
[01:31] <stvn> jesper: I think the danish support in ubuntu will be more or less similar as it in debian
[01:32] <gruberman> jesper: yep. haven't done much in OO though
[01:32] <jesper> stvn, it looked quite good, but it didn't seem to install OOo in Danish..
[01:33] <jesper> stvn, my Debian does..
[01:33] <stvn> jesper: yeah, both ff and OO.o have a different system of internationalisation and is not yet supported
[01:33] <stvn> jesper: so you need to chose the language yourself
[01:34] <jesper> stvn, Ok.. it's not my own box, I installed Ubuntu for one at an installparty the day before yesterday...
[01:35] <jesper> stvn, my own box will come one of the following days.. I think :-)
[01:35] <stvn> jesper: just search for -da in synaptic and you get the correct language packages
[01:35] <jesper> stvn, Ok..
[01:36] <gruberman> lol, firefox is in english. didn't notice
[01:36] <jesper> stvn: Is there a thing like http://packages.debian.org/ for ubuntu?
[01:36] <stvn> jesper: don't know really
[01:36] <stvn> hm there's no firefox-da in ubuntu
[01:38] <jesper> stvn: I can see that it's not in Debian(testing) either.. .well thanks.
[01:39] <stvn> jesper: you can search in apt-get.org for a deb with firefox-da, but it'll prolly conflict with ubuntu's version of ff though
[01:42] <gruberman> Jesper: I found a swedish language pack on the swedish mozilla site. Is there a danish mozilla site?
[01:44] <jesper> gruberman: i just found one on google..
[01:44] <gruberman> jesper: here's the link if you wnat to install it http://www.greyparrots.tuknet.dk/firefox/pack.html
[01:44] <gruberman> :)
[01:45] <jesper> gruberman: I think I'm blind,... i cannot see whom to contact..
[01:46] <jesper> gruberman, We really need to get it into the Mozilla-repo, so it'll be available to all distributions.
[01:46] <jesper> gruberman, We is probably equal to Danes in this sentence :-)
[01:46] <BugS> i want to install ubuntu at home, but i dont have an internet connection... where can i get some packages (like xmms-mp3, mplayer etc) so i can install them at home?
[01:46] <gruberman> well, it's quite easy to do manually. just press the link and - hey presto
[01:47] <BugS> is there some official repository for non-free packages?
[01:47] <Treenaks> multiverse
[01:47] <BugS> url?
[01:48] <jesper> gruberman, yea but communicating that to anyone using a Linux distribution in Danish is quite a lot harder.
[01:48] <Treenaks> BugS: just like the ones you already have in sources.list, just add the word 'multiverse' everywhere you see 'universe'
[01:48] <gruberman> jesper: :/
[01:49] <stvn> jesper: hoary is supposed to have support for locales for OO.o en ff
[01:49] <gruberman> I must really stop abusing smilies
[01:50] <jesper> stvn: Ok..
[01:51] <jesper> Thanks.. both of you.
[01:52] <BugS> Treenaks: can you give me the addresses so i can download the packages before i start the installation
[01:53] <Treenaks> BugS: you don't need that, you can use apt
[01:53] <Treenaks> BugS: and you can see the URLs in sources.list
[01:54] <BugS> Treenaks: i dont have ubuntu installed yet, so i cant see the sources. and i cant use apt cause like i said, i dont have internet at home
[01:54] <delire> ok i've read a trillion fantastic reviews on ubuntu and have one more question before i install it on he laptop in front of me. i'm a game developer, having developed on debian unstable system for several years. what's the likelihood i'll find important and even obscure libraries and documentation missing from the ubuntu package repositories?
[01:54] <stvn> delire: a bit bigger than with debian
[01:54] <delire> stvn: are you sure? why?
[01:55] <delire> what about with multiverse?
[01:55] <Treenaks> BugS: archive.ubuntu.com
[01:55] <stvn> delire: ah, sorry misunderstood it, it's a bit smaller
[01:56] <delire> so you're saying there ar more of less development packages and docs in ubuntu?
[01:56] <stvn> delire: debian will have slightly more than ubuntu I think, but if you know what you're doing you can install debian's debs
[01:56] <delire> isn't that just a case of dpkg -i
[01:56] <stvn> delire: standard stuff the same, obscure stuff less in ubuntu
[01:56] <Treenaks> delire: not more or less, there are.
[01:56] <Treenaks> delire: apt-get install
[01:57] <delire> Treenaks: but i'm told that it's unwise to add debian package repo's to ubuntu sources.list
[01:57] <Treenaks> delire: it is
[01:57] <Treenaks> delire: that doesn't mean the brave (or foolish..) won't try
[01:58] <stvn> delire: it's unwise, not impossible, so when you know what you're doing it's possible
[01:58] <delire> you're both talking about dependency conflicts aren't you
[01:58] <stvn> yep
[02:01] <delire> this said, all the *existing* Ubuntu devel packages have documentation? or is this sacrificed in the interests of a desktop specific distro.
[02:01] <altan> hi, I tried to follow http://www.linuxforum.com/tutcomments/1/66.php to mount my NTFS drive, but it's not working
[02:02] <Treenaks> delire: they have all the docs.. just like debian
[02:02] <delire> cool cool
[02:02] <altan> says  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, or too many mounted file systems (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?)
[02:03] <dkam> You're trying to mount nfs from a actual disk?
[02:03] <altan> ntfs
[02:03] <altan> from an actual disk, yes
[02:03] <dkam> my bad. I read nfs
[02:03] <delire> as a favour could someone impress me with the versions of 'blender' and 'pd'? 'apt-cache show blender'
[02:04] <dkam> altan, does "mount" report /dev/sda2 as already mounted?
[02:04] <stvn> altan: tried /dev/sda5 instead of /dev/sda2 if it's an extended partition it could very well be /sda5
[02:04] <delire> altan: and /etc/fstab has the correct entry?
[02:05] <stvn> delire: Filename: pool/universe/b/blender/blender_2.33a-1_i386.deb
[02:05] <delire> stvn: good thanks.. and 'pd'?
[02:05] <stvn> none
[02:06] <stvn> delire: as a side note, what kind of gamedev do you do?
[02:06] <delire> stvn: ok and 'python2.3-opengl'?
[02:06] <stvn> Filename: pool/main/p/pyopengl/python2.3-opengl_2.0.0.44-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:06] <tseng> delire: you could go look at the mirro yourself..
[02:06] <tseng> +r
[02:06] <delire> tseng: excellent. that is very good
[02:06] <tseng> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[02:07] <stvn> tseng: do you know if there's a equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[02:07] <tseng> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[02:07] <altan> AHAHA, I'm such a moron
[02:07] <delire> stvn: i teach game development and work contractually for research labs exploring future directions in game technology, particularly augmented reality games and sound based games
[02:07] <tseng> stvn: not that im aware of, no
[02:07] <altan> I saw W95 LBA and assumed it was my NTFS thing and didn't bother to read the rest
[02:07] <stvn> delire: where?
[02:07] <delire> tseng: again, excellent
[02:07] <altan> and I put /dev/sda2 instead of sdb1
[02:08] <delire> stvn: i travel almost continuously, but teach in denmark, spain, germany, sweden
[02:08] <BeTa> salut, hi ;c)
[02:08] <stvn> hm interesting
[02:08] <BeTa> I get some random system crashes
[02:08] <delire> stvn: for the last two months i have been based in spain
[02:09] <stvn> nice
[02:09] <BeTa> it seems to be at the kernel size (cause the box doesn't respond anymore to icmp requests for example)
[02:09] <GotD0t-sleep> haha... guess what the word of the day is on dictionary.com
[02:09] <stvn> delire: you got a website with examples?
[02:09] <delire> stvn: my 'very experimental' game development site can be found at http://selectparks.net
[02:09] <BeTa> I've heard about X crashes on PPC archs, do you have any thing about that (my box is a PowerBook G4 w/ the last Radeon video card)
[02:09] <cef> in the meantime, this might help people till something like packages.debian.org comes along for ubuntu: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[02:10] <delire> stvn: and a project i am working on now is http://fijuu.com <-- a sound based game
[02:10] <jdb1968> hi all, i'd really like to install ubuntu but it seems that the install CD requires 2.88 emulation in BIOS, which mine doesn't have
[02:12] <jdb1968> can i boot from floppy and do a network install?
[02:13] <stvn> delire: interesting, although i'm not into sound myself
[02:13] <stvn> jdb1968: there's no floppy install for ubuntu
[02:14] <delire> stvn: the latter project is very experimental really. only a few months old.
[02:14] <jdb1968> that sux
[02:15] <delire> one other thing. is there spanish language and keymapping support in ubuntu warty by default?
[02:16] <stvn> jdb1968: if you really need floppies you can use the debian ones and upgrade to ubuntu
[02:16] <altan> I'm getting an error message that my PnP BIOS option might screw things up when I boot ubuntu, is that something I should worry about? I enabled and disabled PnP in the BIOS, but it still gives me the message
[02:16] <stvn> delire: just like debian
[02:16] <Kamion> BeTa: no problems on my 15" PowerBook G4
[02:16] <jdb1968> well, i already am running MEPIS... just that my buddy tells me that ubuntu is the best distro he's used to date and i'm envious
[02:17] <delire> stvn: cool, my girlfriend is happy about that ;)
[02:17] <stvn> :)
[02:17] <Kamion> we'll be supporting floppy installs for the next release; we just didn't have time to test them properly for this one
[02:18] <stvn> jdb1968: there's a page on the wiki how to install ubuntu from knoppix, so if knoppix works for you, you could try that as installer
[02:18] <jdb1968> Kamion: cool
[02:18] <jdb1968> stvn: Knoppix doesn't work either :-(
[02:19] <jdb1968> I obviously need new h/w, but can't afford it right now
[02:19] <jdb1968> thx stvn, thx Kamion
[02:19] <stvn> jdb1968: if you want it now, you can use debian floppy install and migrate to ubuntu, there's a page howto move from woody to ubuntu
[02:20] <jdub> ubuntu on slashdot again!
[02:21] <Treenaks> jdub: more press = good, right?
[02:21] <delire> jesus jdub.. you too i remember from #debian ;)
[02:21] <jdub> Treenaks: not always the case with slashdot, but yeah ;)
[02:22] <GotD0t> haha
[02:22] <altan> why does About Firefox give 9.3 but Synaptic and Check For Updates (in Firefox) give 1PR?
[02:22] <jdub> altan: because it was forcefully downgraded
[02:22] <jdub> altan: see the full package version ;)
[02:22] <altan> I don't get it?
[02:22] <altan> I'm not quite sure what you mean
[02:23] <netventurer> 1.0PR has a lot of bugs and security issues
[02:23] <altan> ah
[02:23] <jdub> altan: we were shipping 1.0PR1, but had to downgrade
[02:23] <netventurer> though 1.0PR was available for sometime, it was replaced with 9.3+Ubuntu patches
[02:23] <altan> aha.
[02:23] <jdub> so the package version is 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 ;)
[02:23] <GotD0t> which is quite ironic because most people switched to firefox from IE when the PR1 was released
[02:25] <GotD0t> there will be lots of suits walking around campus today
[02:25] <netventurer> 1.0RC may come out soon...
[02:25] <BugS> correct me if im wrong: all the packages in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main are already on the installation CD ?
[02:26] <jdub> BugS: nup
[02:26] <jdub> BugS: only the DesktopSeed and ShipSeed (see the wiki) and dependencies
[02:27] <netventurer> will 1.0 final (0.11) be available in any of the repositories, when it is released?
[02:27] <Treenaks> netventurer: hoary, probably
[02:27] <netventurer> hmm....
[02:29] <jdub> netventurer: in the next release
[02:29] <BugS> ok, here is my final question: i want to install ubuntu at home, where unfortunately i dont have internet access. where can i download some missing packages which would probababy be needed for normal @home usage of my PC (mp3 player, divx player etc) ?
[02:29] <jdub> netventurer: which is due for preview in march and final in april
[02:30] <BugS> i want to make sure that i will not crush into some dependancies problems etc
[02:30] <jdub> BugS: hrm, hard problem
[02:31] <jdub> BugS: do you have an ubuntu machine online anywhere?
[02:31] <BugS> no  :-(
[02:31] <BugS> only debian
[02:34] <altan> how do I chmod all files in a directory as 700?
[02:34] <altan> including subdirs
[02:34] <jdub> chmod -R
[02:34] <darkersatanic> USe the -R option
[02:35] <altan> thanks
[02:44] <boardom> Is there by any chance a ubuntu ppc specific channel?
[02:44] <delire> is Ubuntu any more 'pythonised' than other distro's due to their being a python developer is on the team? i mean python extensions to gnome, configuration utilities etc
[02:44] <delire> s/their/there
[02:45] <jdub> delire: not for warty, but we will be persuing that aggressively over the next few releases
[02:45] <delire> great..
[02:45] <stvn> :)
[02:45] <thisfred> jdub: thanks this was one of my questions too, after hearings Mark Shuttleworths's keynote at europython
[02:46] <jdub> thisfred: good keynote?
[02:46] <jdub> oh, that was a while back, wasn't it?
[02:46] <jdub> he's doing something in frankfurt nowish
[02:46] <delire> as a python junkie i would love to see deep python integration in a distro. i think many many others would too..
[02:47] <thisfred> jdub: excellent, he's a very charismatic guy, and the pictures from outer space helped ;)
[02:47] <jdub> heh
[02:47] <jdub> delire: it'll be the force that binds us :)
[02:47] <delire> jdub: beautifully put
[02:48] <thisfred> yeah it was in june, but I downloaded Ubuntu since, and was kind of looking for the python stuff, in addition to all the other great features it has ;)
[02:49] <thisfred> I'm hooked anyway, so I can wait a while for those
[02:49] <jdub> thisfred: the desktop install comes with a bunch of great python modules by default
[02:49] <Tiboz> hello
[02:49] <jdub> thisfred: so you ought to be able to run good python stuff out of the box
[02:49] <thisfred> oh ok, I'll look into it some more.
[02:49] <delire> jdub: it does?
[02:49] <jdub> thisfred: but we're going to go much further than that ;)
[02:49] <jdub> delire: dpkg -l python*
[02:49] <thisfred> yay!
[02:50] <drunken-wallaby> hi all...
[02:50] <Dekkard> wgday
[02:50] <delire> jdub: i have 5 debian machines but my girlfriend and i are looking to installing ubuntu onto our new lappies
[02:51] <delire> jdub: the clinchers were the 'stable unstable' packages, the ipw2200 support and sensible user:group stuff.
[02:52] <MeAndU> I wont arabic windows encoding for evolution what package do i need
[02:53] <Dekkard> i cannot get gcombust to recognize either cdrom...
[02:54] <delire> MeAndU: hmm 'apt-cache search arabic encoding'
[02:54] <Dekkard> im wondering.. and i may be wrong.. but didnt the 2.6 kernels get rid of  the ide=scsi rule?
[02:55] <delire> good Q
[02:55] <thisfred> Dekkard: I saw this on the channel repeatedly, and apparently at least ubuntu had
[02:55] <thisfred> has
[02:55] <Dekkard> i just feel really awkward after two years of slackware...
[02:56] <Dekkard> im trying to get it to recognize my cannon powershot.. but i think the module for hotplugging isnt loading.. i get an error message at boot
[02:56] <thisfred> Dekkard: but, also apparently from lurking here, cdrom/burner support is not 100% perfect yet
[02:56] <Dekkard> and i havent been able to burn any cds.. other than that..im fairly ok...
[02:57] <Dekkard> thisfred yeah.. i realize that warty isnt fully mature yet
[02:57] <thisfred> for me, burning cds works with nautilus burn:///, but not with any other software
[02:57] <drunken-wallaby> Dekkard: which application did you use for burning your cds?
[02:57] <pyrx> what is the minimum hardware requiered for ubuntu?
[02:57] <Dekkard> ive tried gcombust.. but i cant get it to recognize drives.. so i tried eroaster..
[02:57] <Dekkard> ikky
[02:57] <drunken-wallaby> k3b for example is broken if you try to burn cds as user, you have to start it as root, then it works fine though
[02:58] <jdub> pyrx: you should have 256MB RAM or preferably more for the whole desktop
[02:58] <jdub> pyrx: and 1.3GB on-disk
[02:58] <Dekkard> yeah.. k3b is great, but im trying to stay away from all things kde
[02:58] <zenwhen> Dekkard, good move.
[02:58] <pyrx> jdub: ohh ok :(
[02:58] <zenwhen> Soon libburn will be ready for primetime and there will be NO reason for k3b.
[02:59] <drunken-wallaby> hopefully :)
[02:59] <Dekkard> i cna always boot into windows... and use nero..
[02:59] <zenwhen> Because KDE, Tolltech, and KDE as a whole are a joke.
[02:59] <zenwhen> oops
[02:59] <zenwhen> lol
[02:59] <drunken-wallaby> yeah, nautilus does the job, except for deleting cd-rw, i just can't figure out how the hell this works :)
[02:59] <zenwhen> I said KDE twice. XD
[02:59] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, so what app will be the replacement for k3b ?
[03:00] <zenwhen> Um...
[03:00] <Dekkard> i had kde on mdk, rh, fc1 nad slack and used it for a total of maybe a day..
[03:00] <Treenaks> nautilus-cd-burner?
[03:00] <zenwhen> The only thing needed really is audio cd burning and video dvd burning.
[03:00] <thisfred> only thing I can't figure out is how to directly copy an audio cd with nautilus
[03:00] <zenwhen> Nuatilus does everything else.
[03:00] <thisfred> right
[03:00] <drunken-wallaby> treenaks: yep
[03:00] <bipolar> is there a way to make newly installed apps visable in the Applications menu automaticly?
[03:00] <Dekkard> so i guess to do an audio cd i should use the wave output pluggin on xmms.. than burn the cd  using nautilus... kludgey....
[03:00] <delire> hehe for burning i use 'cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/scd0 speed=4 -data data.iso'
[03:01] <delire> it's always been the most reliable
[03:01] <Dekkard> hmm.. prollem is cdrecord aint recognizing my ide burner
[03:01] <zenwhen> I currently use k3b, but I know a guy who is waiting for libburn to become useable to release a gnome based nero clone.
[03:01] <delire> .. and alias it in my .bashrc so that i can 'burn data.iso'
[03:01] <delire> Dekkard: and you have permissions?
[03:02] <timothy_> GnomeToaster used to be my favorite GUI app for burning CDs (cd record, once you know a working command line for it, is even simpler though). However, I have a Mepis (KDE centric) system going at the moment and I gave K3B a try when I burned my Gnoppix/Ubuntu CD, and K3B has gotten very nice, IMO.
[03:02] <zenwhen> Then I am removing everything KDE or QT based from my system
[03:02] <Dekkard> delire: to cdrecord?
[03:02] <delire> Dekkard: to r/w to the burner
[03:02] <gruberman> there's no export in ubuntu?
[03:03] <Dekkard> delire ive tried starting it with gksudo gcombust.. an all, does that count?
[03:03] <delire> Dekkard: sometimes burnerware says it can't find the device because it can't write to it (not read from it).
[03:04] <delire> Dekkard: better asking one of the others.. i haven't even isntalled ubuntu yet
[03:05] <Dekkard> rwxr-xr-x
[03:05] <tom-cat> Well, everything works fine ! Thank Ubuntu Team ! :-D
[03:05] <delire> Dekkard: should be fine.. what device is it.. /dev/***?
[03:07] <delire> Dekkard: if /dev/scd* is ide-scsi loaded?
[03:07] <Dekkard> i believe..
[03:07] <Dekkard>  hang on
[03:08] <Dekkard> properties show it as unmounted in /media/ but i believe it should be /dev/hdd
[03:08] <delire> Dekkard: /etc/fstab has a listing?
[03:09] <drunken-wallaby> anyone knows a suitable tex editor (please not emacs/vim) for gnome?
[03:09] <jdub> gedit
[03:09] <jdub> i think it has tex highlighting
[03:09] <Treenaks> TeX editor?
[03:09] <delire> drunken-wallaby: jedit is excellent
[03:10] <delire> though yes, i use vim ;)
[03:10] <Dekkard>  /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[03:10] <delire> Dekkard: and you can 'mount /media/cdrom1'?
[03:10] <drunken-wallaby> yep, it has, but i really write a lot of things in tex and i'm so used to kile where i can compile and preview my documents within the editor. i don't want to install the kde libs though...
[03:10] <drunken-wallaby> jedit? i'll look into this, thanks delire
[03:10] <Treenaks> drunken-wallaby: vim or emacs :)
[03:11] <delire> drunken-wallaby: jedit.sf.net is java
[03:11] <Dekkard> hmmm
[03:11] <Dekkard>  interesting
[03:11] <Dekkard> nope
[03:11] <zenwhen> java is easy to learn and awful for the end user.
[03:11] <delire> Dekkard: well there's your issue
[03:12] <delire> zenwhen: hehe precis
[03:12] <Dekkard> jIRCii 10.16.04 Linux : I was raised on the dairy. BITCH!
[03:12] <Dekkard> nuffin wrong with a little java in the morning..
[03:12] <zenwhen> LOOK! I CAN WRTIE PROGRAMS! Why wont anyone USE my programs? ;-;
[03:12] <zenwhen> -every java dev
[03:12] <delire> hehe, and by lunch you're put off eating altogether
[03:12] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:13] <Kyaneos> does Ubuntu upgrade the kernel package??
[03:13] <thisfred> drunken-wallaby: re text editors: I use j (not jedit), a very lightweight but powerful and easy to use editor, with plugins for lots of programming languages
[03:13] <Kyaneos> with an apt-get dist-upgrade????
[03:13] <Dekkard>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
[03:13] <Dekkard>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:13] <jdub> Kyaneos: if it is a compatible upgrade, yes
[03:13] <Dekkard> but we are getting somewhere
[03:14] <jdub> Kyaneos: if the kernel package has a different name, no
[03:14] <Kyaneos> jdub: thx
[03:14] <delire> Dekkard: so it's not an ide-sci then..
[03:14] <drunken-wallaby> thisfred: is j included in the reps?
[03:14] <Kyaneos> jdub: has ubuntu an inesbale version???
[03:15] <Kyaneos> like debian unstable
[03:15] <delire> Dekkard: try 'mkdir ~/test && mount /dev/hdd ~/test'
[03:15] <Dekkard> delire im not sure..  i have to try to figure this non standard mounting thing here.. its wierd
[03:15] <jdub> Kyaneos: inesbale?
[03:15] <thisfred> drunken-wallaby: no, I downloaded it, but it's java (sry zenwhen) so no need to compile or anything
[03:15] <Kyaneos> unstable
[03:15] <Kyaneos> sorrry
[03:15] <drunken-wallaby> thisfred: thanks, i'll have a look...
[03:15] <jdub> Kyaneos: not quite like debian's
[03:15] <jdub> Kyaneos: when we finish a stable release, we open our development branch
[03:15] <Dekkard> ya know
[03:16] <Dekkard> i think im doing this all wrong..
[03:16] <jdub> Kyaneos: our next release is called 'hoary hedgehog', so the current development branch is called 'hoary'
[03:16] <Kyaneos> jdub: and can i download the development packages??
[03:16] <jdub> Kyaneos: it's not ready for use yet
[03:16] <Dekkard> if i put a blank disk into the burner.. it prompts me with the burn cd/dvd box..
[03:16] <Kyaneos> ok
[03:16] <Kyaneos> thx
[03:16] <Dekkard> so thats kewl
[03:16] <jdub> you can, but i would strongly urge you to wait until we announce that it's ready for dogfooding
[03:16] <Dekkard> i just need to do a little prep before i burn a music cd..
[03:16] <Kyaneos> thank you very much
[03:17] <Kyaneos> jdub:
[03:17] <Kyaneos> and sorry for my English
[03:17] <jdub> that's okay :)
[03:17] <jdub> what's your native language?
[03:17] <delire> jdub: what is the version difference (in debian terms) between warty and hoary?
[03:17] <jdub> delire: hoary is resynced to sid now, and will freeze in a few months
[03:17] <Kyaneos> jdub: i am Spanish
[03:17] <delire> jdub: and warty?
[03:18] <delire> Kyaneos: hola! como estas?
[03:18] <jdub> Kyaneos: you know there's an #ubuntu-es channel, and ubuntu-es list? :)
[03:18] <Kyaneos> hola delire
[03:18] <Kyaneos> yes
[03:18] <Kyaneos> i know
[03:18] <jdub> delire: warty is our stable release, kinda like debian's woody, but it was frozen from sid in late june
[03:18] <jdub> Kyaneos: cool
[03:18] <Kyaneos> thx
[03:19] <jdub> Kyaneos: we will all be in barcelona in december :)
[03:19] <delire> jdub: so if i want recent packages what would you suggest? i mean like python2.4
[03:19] <jdub> delire: warty
[03:19] <jdub> though it only has python2.3 in it
[03:19] <jdub> hoary is still syncing, not ready for use, but it'll be ready for dogfooding soon
[03:19] <delire> jdub: and for bleeding edge? can i grab them from hoary package repositories and use something like pinning?
[03:20] <jdub> delire: not yet, and even then, i'd recommend either using hoary or warty
[03:20] <malte> jdub, will hoary be available for amd64 as well?
[03:20] <jdub> yes
[03:20] <malte> cool
[03:20] <jdub> ppc32, i386 and amd64
[03:20] <delire> jdub: so there is no hoary release yet.. i could only see the warty iso
[03:20] <jdub> delire: no, hoary is the just-starting development branch
[03:21] <delire> jdub: right.. and if i do really need a bleeding edge package i should just grab it from unstable branch of packages.debian.org no?
[03:21] <Dekkard> see, i dut dont know if i get this.. /media is a non standard directory of the root tree.. if ya still need to do manual cli stuff to mount an all what is the point?
[03:21] <delire> jdub: instead of manipulating my sources.list to include a deb repository
[03:21] <jdub> delire: we don't recommend mixing debian and ubuntu respositories
[03:22] <jdub> delire: /media is a *standard* directory :)
[03:22] <delire> ?
[03:22] <jdub> Dekkard: ^^
[03:22] <Dekkard> it wasnt on my slack 10 box..
[03:22] <delire> oks
[03:22] <altan_> how do I use "setuid" ?
[03:22] <jdub> Dekkard: slackware is not 'the standard' :)
[03:22] <Dekkard> :P
[03:22] <delire> jdub: so if i really do need a bleeding edge package, can i find it in a hoary repository? sorry i am totally new to ubuntu
[03:22] <Dekkard> is there a /media dir in debian?
[03:23] <altan_> I need to setuid root for pppd
[03:23] <jdub> Dekkard: i believe there is for sarge
[03:23] <delire> Dekkard: no, it's just a dir though.. surely it's just a parent mount point dir
[03:23] <wm_eddie> whenever I press reload I get errors on the main and restricted repositories.
[03:23] <delire> jdub: no /media on this sarge
[03:23] <jdub> delire: well, you can rebuild anything you want, but i'd suggest you either choose between using stable warty or testing hoary
[03:23] <Dekkard> so is it a link to /mnt or to /dev?
[03:23] <jdub> delire: depends when you installed it, i believe
[03:23] <stvn> delire: it is on fresh sarge installs
[03:23] <jdub> Dekkard: no
[03:24] <wm_eddie> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:24] <wm_eddie> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/restricted/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:24] <delire> jdub: ok and that preference is defined in my sources.list
[03:24] <jdub> Dekkard: it is a place for dynamic media mounts
[03:24] <wm_eddie> Have these moved or changed?
[03:24] <Dekkard> okee
[03:25] <Dekkard> hmm
[03:25] <Dekkard> i should wake up whiprush
[03:26] <Dekkard> hey Jorge!!
[03:26] <LinuxJones> wm_eddie, your line in /etc/apt/sources.list should look something like this >> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[03:28] <delire> what is the 'restricted' in a ubuntu sources.list?
[03:28] <delire> i mean, can there be a 'restricted multiverse'?
[03:29] <daniels> restricted is stuff that we can redistribute, but may not be open source/free software
[03:29] <LinuxJones> delire, that repository is for things like nvidia drivers (not open source software per se)
[03:29] <delire> stvn: ahh, this sarge isn't too fresh ;)
[03:29] <daniels> and yes, you can mix them; i have main universe restricted multiverse
[03:29] <daniels> LinuxJones: there's nothing 'per se' about the nvidia drivers
[03:29] <LinuxJones> daniels, ya I know
[03:29] <azumanga> Hello :) I'm having a little problem :( I just tried install ubuntu for the first time. During install it failed to detect my network card (it's a belkin USB card, plugged in through a PCMCIA<->USB adaptor so this didn't shock me too much). After install GNOME was complaining about not being able to find my hostname, and the network didn't appear to work, so I put a simple "auto lo eth0\n iface eth0 inet dhcp" into /etc/network/interfaces, and "127
[03:29] <delire> daniels: interesting
[03:29] <wm_eddie> LinuxJones: It looks like that...
[03:30] <delire> does the ubuntu warty iso provide the kernel sources?
[03:30] <azumanga> delire: you might be reading it wrong. It means access both restricted and universe :)
[03:30] <jdub> delire: no
[03:30] <delire> azumanga: ahah
[03:30] <LinuxJones> wm_eddie, try commenting out any other lines that you may have in your sources.list file and then try re-loading again.
[03:30] <delire> jdub: hmm a shame. useful for compiling a network driver if not autodetected..
[03:30] <stvn> delire: it's like debian with main, contrib and non-free
[03:30] <delire> stvn: gotcha
[03:31] <jdub> delire: too big, and the goal is that you should not have to rebuild a kernel
[03:31] <jdub> delire: my mum, for instance, does not know how to
[03:31] <wm_eddie> commenting out the first two seemed to make it work.
[03:31] <delire> jdub: sure, but how do you get online without the option to compile a module?
[03:31] <azumanga> Perhaps, is there a better way of setting up the network post-install?
[03:31] <delire> jdub: .. 'if all else fails' kind of thing
[03:31] <jdub> delire: my mum would not consider that an option
[03:32] <Treenaks> azumanga: using the network settings program... in the menu
[03:32] <jdub> delire: how would she get the source for the module?
[03:32] <jdub> delire: would she even consider 'rebuilding a kernel'?
[03:32] <delire> jdub: of course, she simply wouldn't be able to get online. but me? i would like the choice..
[03:32] <jdub> delire: i'm not even sure she understands what a kernel is
[03:32] <azumanga> hmm.. I think I'll try a reinstall and see if it behaves better this time :)
[03:32] <jdub> delire: if you're in that situation, you probably know how to solve it
[03:33] <daniels> delire: if you can't get online, you'll need to go download the drivers or whatever anyway, so the kernel sources are no benefit
[03:33] <delire> jdub: my mother doesn't, but she runs debian. when i go to her house i 'administrator' can compile a module from sources on an obscure site on her machine
[03:33] <daniels> er yeah, but you can also download kernel sources from archive.ubuntu.com.
[03:33] <jdub> delire: our solution - that module should be in our kernel
[03:34] <daniels> my mum should buy a wireless card, plug it in, and have it work.  i shouldn't have to establish it's an isl3890 and tell her to download the kernel source, plus the source from prism54.org, then ...
[03:34] <azumanga> Out of interest, is there some way to load an arbitary module during installation, like in debian?
[03:34] <delire> jdub: not true. debian woody provides sources. several times i have needed to compile a network module to be able to get online altogether
[03:34] <zenwhen> Having dual monitors is such a wonderful thing.
[03:34] <daniels> delire: woody's kernel doesn't have nearly as many external modules as ours
[03:34] <smo> azumanga: /etc/modules .. just like debian
[03:34] <zenwhen> I do my work on one monitor, and my play on the other.
[03:34] <jdub> delire: there is not enough room on our CD, we would have to dump other stuff
[03:34] <daniels> delire: you'll notice we provide modules for most everything.  if you see one you need that's not include, please report it in our bts and we'll consider adding it if we can and it enhances network support.
[03:34] <jdub> delire: our solution to this is to increase hardware support in the kernel
[03:34] <cef> smo: he said DURING installation
[03:35] <jdub> delire: not to fill up our CD with stuff that most users won't even consider an option anyway
[03:35] <smo> ah, I missed the installation part :/
[03:35] <delire> daniels: jdub: ok.. fine for those with people nearby that are online however. not for those alone with a network connection that doesn't work in install
[03:35] <benjanet> i cant resize Gaim main window ? any ideas
[03:35] <delire> jdub: the solution you propose is excellent by the way. the right path
[03:35] <jdub> delire: dude, if we include the driver in our kernel, they'll have it at install. that's the solution.
[03:35] <daniels> delire: fwiw, adding a compilable kernel would involve *adding* gcc, libc6-dev, probably libncurses5-dev, and the complete working toolchain.  plus the kernel source.
[03:36] <delire> daniels: yeah ncurses is a bit heavy
[03:36] <Treenaks> we're not Gentoo
[03:36] <daniels> delire: if someone doesn't have a network connection that doesn't work in install, and they can fix this by downloading and compiling a driver, then we should probably be integrating that in our kernel.
[03:36] <daniels> delire: that's what jdub's saying -- the default kernel should work for everyone out of the box
[03:36] <daniels> telling people to recompile their kernel to get network support is total arse
[03:36] <azumanga> What I find more stranrd is I seem to be getting a network after install has finished and rebooted, just not during install :\
[03:37] <|progenic|> in linux, is there any program like download accelerator ?
[03:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: the only real, working "download accelerator" is getting a better connection
[03:38] <timothy_> Well, there's cacheing ...
[03:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: for the rest it's just fake and hype
[03:38] <Treenaks> timothy_: true.. but that's not "download acceleration"
[03:38] <|progenic|> but it really help
[03:38] <timothy_> ... and there's wget :)
[03:38] <|progenic|> :)
[03:38] <Treenaks> |progenic|: yes, the windows programs just show numbers 10% higher than the "real" numbers..
[03:38] <cef> |progenic|: you mean a download manager? you might look at d4x. I've heard a bit about it, but not actually used it myself
[03:39] <benjanet> Treenaks, he maybe means a download manager
[03:39] <delire> daniels: yes should work, and if not.. if it *can be downloaded*. in my mothers very rural situation, no one was nearby with a connection. so i had to compile it for her with carious flags to get it to work. i don't think anyone should have to compile a kernel/module. of course.. it's just an advantage of linux over wintel is that one isn't demanded to pursue the absurd situation of needing to be online to download a network driver..
[03:39] <azumanga> treenaks: not true at all
[03:39] <Treenaks> azumanga: very true..
[03:39] <azumanga> I get much faster downloads using getright than firebird or IE
[03:39] <thisfred> |progenic|: you may also want to check out the down-them-all plugin for firefox, it's not an accelerator, but it makes downloading from webpages a lot easier
[03:39] <delire> daniels: luckily the kernel sources were there for use in this extreme situation..
[03:39] <Treenaks> azumanga: that, and most "download accelerator" programs are spyware
[03:39] <|progenic|> heh ? no, i usually can download 20 kbps but if i use the program like that, that can split into 4 download i can reach 100 kbps
[03:39] <Treenaks> |progenic|: then the server has a limit, for a reason
[03:40] <azumanga> I was getting 200K/sec from firebird getting the ubuntu ISO, and 700K/sec using getright
[03:40] <Treenaks> |progenic|: probably better to respect that reason...
[03:40] <daniels> delire: that's a bug that should be fixed; we should be working on fixing the bug, not making it easier to work around absurd situations such as that.
[03:40] <daniels> (at the massive inconvenience of others)
[03:40] <thisfred> most servers now block things like getright and da, which only use multiple connections for the same download
[03:40] <cef> delire: so what was the driver in question?
[03:40] <delire> daniels: sure.. i see the approach is totally different. that said it's a very good approach
[03:41] <azumanga> thisfred: I can't say I've ever had getright blocked
[03:41] <delire> cef: an external usb 3com
[03:41] <delire> cef: like a 3c59x but external
[03:41] <Blight> hey folks
[03:42] <thisfred> azumanga: well you're lucky then ;) Actually I think, like Treenaks said, that using said programs may amount to server abuse
[03:42] <delire> cef: i had to turn of the otherwise very handy if packet stuff to get it to work
[03:42] <cef> delire: ahh no fun
[03:42] <delire> cef: nope..
[03:42] <|progenic|> is there any getright program for linux ?
[03:43] <Blight> progenic: wget is a nice one
[03:43] <Blight> its command line though
[03:43] <|progenic|> ic
[03:43] <|progenic|> ok
[03:43] <thisfred> Blight: but that doesn't open multiple connection to get a faster download
[03:44] <Blight> true
[03:44] <delire> jdub: i agree with your approach btw.. following on from this approach, what if my mother doesn't know what processor arch she runs (as she doesn't). how will she begin the process of choosing the distro? do you see a future where there is an arch detection script?
[03:44] <Treenaks> thisfred: you don't want that :)
[03:44] <thisfred> Treenaks: exactly
[03:44] <cef> |progenic|: look at d4x
[03:44] <cef> |progenic|: it's in universe
[03:44] <azumanga> Ah ha! I've made my network card be detected
[03:44] <delire> jdub: 'choosing the iso' i meant
[03:44] <Treenaks> thisfred: unless you use different mirrors, and check the md5sum.. but then you're better off with bittorrent anyway
[03:45] <cef> delire: the problem with that is manyfold
[03:45] <azumanga> I "modprobe"d a bunch of things until it got detected. I could try to produce a reduced list of what I had to modprobe to detect it during startup.. would such a list be a) useful and b) what should I do with it?
[03:45] <delire> cef: i realise ;) but integral to the uptake
[03:45] <thisfred> Treenaks: +1
[03:45] <cef> delire: with i386/amd64, it's technically possible.. with ppc and many other arches, it's pretty much a hopeless cause
[03:46] <|progenic|> thx
[03:46] <Treenaks> cef: you can make a bootable CD that boots the PPC kernel om PowerPC and the x86/amd64 kernel on those..
[03:47] <cef> delire: you'd need to be able to make an iso/UDF image that will boot on many different architechures.. PPC would be the hardest, but afaik its possible.. plus then you need to put all the packages on the one piece of media.. so you're talking DVD image
[03:47] <delire> cef: what about a DVD with all arch's of base packages precompiled on board.
[03:48] <delire> ahah
[03:48] <jdub> cef: actually, we have a recipe for doing all our current arches on a single dvd :)
[03:48] <jdub> cef: doing the right thing on boot, etc. :)
[03:48] <cef> delire: the big problem is that such an image will be rather large, so it'd be no fun to download
[03:48] <delire> i would say the same people that don't know what an iso is would also not know what arch they run. therefore they'd be better off ordering a DVD via land mail
[03:49] <delire> cef: of course
[03:49] <delire> jdub: very cool. you guys are smart
[03:50] <delire> a 'just works (on everything)' DVD
[03:50] <timothy_> cef - I'd love to see a bootable PPC one :)
[03:51] <delire> is there airport support in Ubuntu PPC? i don't run an apple, just hear it as a complaint on debian lists
[03:52] <jdub> delire: there is no linux support for airport extreme at all
[03:52] <delire> jdub: right..
[03:52] <jdub> the airport on my ibook works fine
[03:52] <Dekkard> hmmm
[03:52] <Dekkard> jdub... should i bet an ibook or powerbook?
[03:53] <Dekkard> or get
[03:53] <delire> powerbooks seem a little cheap to me.. unsturdy. ibooks look like quality
[03:53] <delire> many friends have issues with their PB's
[03:54] <stvn> pbs are the expensive ones, right?
[03:54] <delire> yep
[03:54] <stvn> weird
[03:54] <timothy_> Dekkard: my iBook is the only laptop I've owned on which it has made sense to replace the battery, because the machine keeps surviving rough treatment.
[03:54] <jdub> Dekkard: i wouldn't recommend getting a recent apple laptop if you want to use linux on it
[03:54] <Treenaks> jdub: what laptop would you recommend then?
[03:55] <jdub> well, the IBM X40 is very popular among the ubuntu developer crew
[03:55] <Dekkard> god
[03:55] <jdub> there are some great HP laptops
[03:55] <delire> after 2months research i've just bought this: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6nphotos.html
[03:55] <timothy_> Dekkard: my iBook is 3 years old; DVD drive door is slow (fixed in later revs, this is Gen 1 white iBook), a few keys had to be fixed on the KB (another issue fixed in later revs), but mostly it just keeps plugging along.
[03:55] <jdub> and i recently got a Dell X300
[03:55] <delire> the sturdiest, fastest, lightest i could find
[03:55] <delire> ewww, delire kicks his inspiron
[03:55] <delire> !lart dell
[03:55] <jdub> (not a big fan of dell hardware, but this is great)
[03:55] <delire> hehe
[03:56] <Dekkard> hmm
[03:56] <stvn> delire: does it have bluetooth?
[03:56] <delire> i looked at everything from the IBM T42p to the G4.. this M6N was it in the benchmarks
[03:56] <Dekkard> how much delire?
[03:56] <delire> stvn: no, need an adapter
[03:56] <delire> Dekkard: i paid US1800.00
[03:57] <Dekkard> too rich for me
[03:57] <delire> Dekkard:.. but had it sent to the EU
[03:57] <Dekkard> im lookin at @1500 us or less..
[03:57] <delire> Dekkard: this starts at US1360... a perfect 3D machine
[03:57] <Dekkard> apple has refurb g4 powerbooks with the usperdrive for just a touch over that
[03:58] <delire> Dekkard: carbin fibre casing. in a trade show the guy was throwing it to the ground and then booting it up and playing some game
[03:58] <delire> s/carbin/carbon
[03:58] <Dekkard> hmm
[03:58] <delire> lovely to look at in the flesh.. lid snaps shut, keys beautiful to type on. very happy.
[03:58] <timothy_> I saw a toughbook demo once where they did that ... over and over.
[03:59] <delire> a 1.8Ghz centrino benchmarks close to a 2.8Ghz P4 across the board
[03:59] <timothy_> Drop, play with, show how the movie playing didn't even skip. Drop, type some, drop, play a game ...
[03:59] <Dekkard> how is linux centrino support at the moment?
[03:59] <delire> timothy_:yeah they look ok too, though expensive
[03:59] <delire> Dekkard: well with Ubuntu it's creat ;)
[03:59] <Dekkard> hmm
[03:59] <mjg59> Dekkard: The video is supported, the CPU scaling is supported, the wireless is supported
[03:59] <delire> Dekkard: from what i read.. one of the only distro's to 'just work' with the ipw2200 and ipw2100
[04:00] <delire> Dekkard: one of the reasons i'm here, Ubuntu is unique in that respect.. a lot of laptop owners will move to Ubuntu for this reason
[04:00] <cef> timothy_: the toughbooks are very nice like that..
[04:00] <timothy_> cef: the demo was sort of painful to watch :)
[04:00] <timothy_> BANG!
[04:00] <delire> timothy_: same for this tough asus M6N
[04:01] <delire> timothy_: people were covering their faces
[04:01] <timothy_> delire: yeah, I am impressed with what you say about it :)
[04:01] <delire> timothy_: it's light a quiet. pretty good for an x86 lappie
[04:02] <delire> problem is it looks very 'business' ;)
[04:02] <cef> timothy_: heh.. I don't flinch anymore when people drop hardware.. I work with industrial drop rated PDA.. 1000 x 1m drops - 2 secs between each drop.
[04:02] <timothy_> Wireless has become a pain on my Linux laptop (PCMCIA slots are dying or dead, it seems, and I can *almost* but not quite get the USB wireless dongle to work with SBC), and iBook is nice but I prefer Linux, so I went and got a cheap system the other day, which is what I'm typing on now.
[04:02] <TdC_VgA> just wanted to pop in and say.. congrats on the live cd, ppc, and final warty release.
[04:03] <timothy_> cef: what PDA is that?
[04:03] <cef> timothy_: we used to literally kick one around the office, till we managed to crack a window
[04:03] <TdC_VgA> been running the beta on my laptop for a few months and i have to say it's by far my favorite distro. great job.
[04:04] <TdC_VgA> my WiFi still doesn't work in ubuntu =(, but hey thats what you get with broadcom.. apparently some people have the same card working, but I can't seem to get it to send/recieve only scan for APs.
[04:04] <timothy_> delire: thanks for pointing that laptop out; if I *do* get a new laptop sometime soon, that will be on the list.
[04:04] <TdC_VgA> when i try to connect to the AP, it just sits with DHCP looping over and over until it times out, and if i try to specify an IP i get nothing either
[04:05] <cef> timothy_: the brand is Symbol. http://www.symbol.com/ and look under the portable computing devices.. lots to choose from, but they all run DOS, PalmOS or WinCE.. though apparently they did put linux on one for Siemens.. *sigh*
[04:05] <Dekkard> interesting lappy delire
[04:05] <Dekkard> sexy
[04:05] <timothy_> cef: Yes, I'm familiar (not through use, just knowledge) with symbol.
[04:05] <timothy_> delire: is the battery run-down time real?
[04:05] <cef> timothy_: all the WinCE ones though are pretty much just hotted up iPAQ's
[04:05] <timothy_> 5.5 hours?
[04:05] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: does the card associate with the ap (you can seet hat with iwconfig)
[04:06] <Dekkard> i notice that the asus lappys at that site.. come with no os.. nice
[04:06] <cef> timothy_: though they don't share anything with them in design
[04:06] <Dekkard> what is the difference between wxga and sxga?
[04:07] <TdC_VgA> Treenaks: lemme check.. one minute
[04:08] <zverj> hello, i got question, where ubuntu has php4-dbase module or how else can i enable it?
[04:08] <delire> timothy_: yes it is. 6hrs of average use
[04:08] <TdC_VgA> i heard there was a commercial driver for ndis that might help, linuxant or something...
[04:08] <Dekkard> delire: you may jsut have sold me on this asus.. i love carbon fibre..
[04:08] <timothy_> delire: impressive.
[04:08] <TdC_VgA> i'd definitely be willing to pay 20.00 to make my wifi work.
[04:09] <delire> timothy_: i read 30 reviews, read extensive benchmarks, read about the chassis, read about linux on the machine. this what my choice
[04:09] <delire> s/what/was
[04:09] <TdC_VgA> damn broadcom not releasing their op codes.. just lame
[04:09] <Treenaks> delire: wow.. that M6000 series looks fiine
[04:09] <delire> Dekkard: it's lovely. read what ppl say about it on the notebookforums.com
[04:09] <delire> if you're in the US Frank at agearnotebooks.com delivers in 3days
[04:09] <delire> Treenaks: it's a goodie
[04:10] <altan_> hell yes, I finally got pppd working on non-root
[04:10] <urukhai> hi
[04:10] <Dekkard> dayum!
[04:10] <delire> my Dell Inspiron creaks and has a disconcerting flexibility in the lib
[04:10] <Dekkard> man that is sexy.. and no windows tax!!
[04:10] <timothy_> delire: very nice. that's the new top of my list if I should get an intel-type laptop soon.
[04:10] <delire> the kb is slightly uneven and the cdrom drive wobbles a bit..
[04:11] <urukhai> does ubuntu support amd64 arch?
[04:11] <delire> timothy_: oh make sure you read up on the fallacy of clock speeds. a 1.5 vs a 1.8 is little difference for most applications. no need to pay too much more there
[04:11] <cef> urukhai: yes
[04:11] <delire> timothy_: with the centrino's i mean
[04:11] <urukhai> great...i shall give it a try
[04:11] <cef> urukhai: I have it installed on a dual opteron at work.. runs nicely
[04:12] <delire> Dekkard: exactly! no wintel tax
[04:12] <Dekkard> hmmm
[04:12] <timothy_> delire: no worries on that front. The only reason I've been avoiding centrino is poor Linux support, though I'm glad to read (here) that Ubuntu is fixing that.
[04:12] <TdC_VgA> Treenaks: after an ifup wlan0, i do see "WARFROG" my essid listed under iwconfig
[04:12] <Dekkard> delire: how much post install configuration did you need to do with ubuntu  on that lappy?
[04:13] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: and the right channel as well?
[04:13] <urukhai> i hope there won't be any prob with nforce3 chipset...
[04:13] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: and the WEP key?
[04:13] <delire> Dekkard: i haven't installed yet, still on debian then again that wasn't too bad.
[04:13] <timothy_> On my new cheap system ($450 for Sempron 2800/512MB RAM/60GB HD/CD-RW/DVD/17" CRT), live Gnoppix Ubuntu disk works great.
[04:13] <delire> Dekkard: just discovered Ubuntu yesterday
[04:13] <delire> timothy_: hmm..
[04:13] <TdC_VgA> Treenaks: it's saying encryption off... odd, the channel is 2.447Ghz that should be right
[04:14] <TdC_VgA> setting encryption is wireless_keymode restricted correct?
[04:14] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: no, it's iwconfig eth0 key yourkey
[04:14] <wasabi> Soooooo. When can we expect Ubuntu Server Edition, which will automatically set up OpenLDAP Samba, and Kerberos. :0
[04:14] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: ("wireless_key yourkey" in /etc/network/interfaces)
[04:14] <benjanet> i cant resize Gaim main window ? any ideas
[04:14] <Treenaks> benjanet: can you make it larger, but not smaller?
[04:15] <benjanet> Treenaks, yes
[04:15] <TdC_VgA> i have that also, but the key is just XXXXXXXXXXXX... no quotes or hex XX:XX blocks is that ok?
[04:15] <cef> Treenaks: adding 'restricted' before the key is sometimes necessary
[04:15] <urukhai> what about ATI drivers? do they run on amd64 ubuntu?
[04:15] <cef> TdC_VgA: that's the only way it'll accept the key, so that's ok
[04:16] <TdC_VgA> i wonder why it's not picking up the key now... odd
[04:16] <Treenaks> cef: uh ok
[04:16] <cef> Treenaks: depends on the AP and card
[04:16] <altan-> sorry about jumping in and out, won't happen anymore since pppd works properly and xchat is configured
[04:16] <cef> Treenaks: I just tend to use it now by default cos it tends to work on them all or just get ignored
[04:17] <delire> Dekkard: my girlfriend bought this beautiful little Asus: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm3nphoto.html
[04:17] <Treenaks> cef: I have a prism54 and an asus AP.. works fine
[04:17] <TdC_VgA> cef: think i should comment out restricted and see if that helps?
[04:17] <cef> TdC_VgA: give it a shot
[04:17] <Treenaks> delire: I want a windowsless laptop.. :(
[04:17] <delire> Treenaks: these come without windows
[04:18] <Treenaks> delire: they do? not in the on-line stores I'm looking..
[04:18] <delire> Treenaks: http://agearnotebooks.com (i foudn these guys after price comparisons and searching for blank lappies)
[04:19] <Treenaks> do they ship to Europe? :)
[04:19] <TdC_VgA> heh, removing the restricted definitely setup the KEY, but still no response from DHCP
[04:19] <Treenaks> TdC_VgA: is the channel OK?
[04:19] <delire> Treenaks: yes, but like me (in Spain) you have to pay import tax. you can claim this back though.
[04:20] <Treenaks> delire: claim it back?
[04:20] <delire> Treenaks: and ask Frank at agearnotebooks to not use DHL, they are evil and hopeless.
[04:20] <TdC_VgA> anyone know if 2.447GHz is channel 8?
[04:20] <delire> Treenaks: tax reclamation. tax deductable
[04:20] <Treenaks> delire: I know DHL is hopeless... I get my amazon packages from them..
[04:20] <delire> Treenaks: they have really dicked us around
[04:20] <Treenaks> delire: oh? I hope it's that way in .nl as well
[04:21] <delire> Treenaks: if you pay import *tax* then it is reclaimable
[04:21] <Treenaks> I'll ask my local tax expert :)
[04:21] <delire> Treenaks: wise
[04:21] <Treenaks> (i.e. dad :))
[04:21] <delire> hehe
[04:21] <TdC_VgA> yeah channel is ok 2.447 is channel 8... what my AP requires
[04:21] <TdC_VgA> =)
[04:22] <kensai> Hi guys
[04:22] <cef> TdC_VgA: did you set the mode to managed?
[04:23] <TdC_VgA> cef: listed as managed by iwconfig, but i'll specifically state it
[04:24] <cef> TdC_VgA: might also try 'iwconfig dev commit' if you're doing it manually
[04:25] <cef> TdC_VgA: no need to do that with interfaces tho, the scripts do it automatically
[04:25] <kensai> how can one join the ubuntu mailing list?
[04:26] <delire> hehe funny that such a 'just works' distro goes against popular opinion and shows that a 2.6.8.1 kernel. i think that's excellent
[04:27] <delire> where deb and rh developers say 'no way', 'impossible' won't work
[04:27] <cef> go to http://lists.ubuntu.com/, find the list you want to join, enter your email address and specify a password. you'll get an email you'll have to confirm to accept the subscription
[04:27] <TdC_VgA> hmm
[04:27] <TdC_VgA> worth a shot.
[04:27] <kensai> cef: thanks
[04:28] <cef> kensai: welcome
[04:29] <kensai> I have a network in my home and it is visible through ubunut but how can I set up to use a printer that is in another pc of the network?
[04:30] <TdC_VgA> no go still.. just odd to me, considering I scan scan the aps.
[04:32] <kensai> is ther any prog for doing this on gnome?
[04:32] <timothy_> kensai: I've never actually set out with that goal, but I found that when I set up Knoppix as a HD-based distro on several machines that the KDE print system noted the printer hooked to one of the machines and made it visible to all the others on the network, and printing to it was transparent. However, I have not tried with Ubuntu, I don't even have a printer available at the moment ;)
[04:33] <kensai> Ohh thanks any ways Ill just try and figure it out
[04:34] <crofty> i am not sure whether my order for pressed cd version of ubuntu has been accepted , i have not got any confirmation emails yet , was about a week ago
[04:35] <cef> TdC_VgA: what wifi card?
[04:36] <kensai> I just have to give it up for ubuntu configuring my network automagically
[04:36] <TdC_VgA> cef: broadcom 54g
[04:37] <TdC_VgA> built into my averatec unfortunatly =(.
[04:37] <cef> ahh broadcom.. yukko.. you have my sympathies
[04:37] <TdC_VgA> thanks... i get that a lot. heh
[04:38] <nanotech> i was told that many linux distros have a module that enforces password strength...does debian/ubuntu have this? and if so, how can i edit the parameters?
[04:38] <krunk-> hello
[04:38] <cef> nanotech: usually to do with pam, look in /etc/pam.d/
[04:39] <krunk-> so, if you install a package in ubuntu does it automagically appear in the start menu? Also are the mime types well set up by default, e.g., click a *.wmv and the media player pops open?
[04:39] <bob2> no and probably no
[04:39] <krunk-> is there a distro that does so?
[04:39] <jdub> krunk-: if it has a menu item included, it will automatically add it to the menu
[04:39] <crimsun> krunk-: not that I'm aware
[04:39] <jdub> the mime types are set up by default
[04:40] <krunk-> ok, conflicting answers hehe
[04:40] <crimsun> (I'm answering the distro question)
[04:40] <JanneM> it depends on the individual packages
[04:40] <Anna> Hi, I thought I can erase files on a CD RW by just selecting and dragging them to the trash. Now it tells me that the files are read-only, how do I clean that CD anyway?
[04:40] <jdub> krunk-: these are gnome features, and i can say yes to both :)
[04:40] <JanneM> if it packaged to add menu entry, fix a mime entry and so on, it will
[04:40] <jdub> krunk-: so any distro that ships gnome will do it
[04:40] <bob2> krunk-: I'm wrong, jdub knows far more than me
[04:40] <jdub> JanneM: it's not package-dependent
[04:40] <nanotech> according to IBM's roadmap to switching to linux: "  Most Linux distributions install with a password cracker  module activated for password changes. This module will test a password to see if it follows good password practices. If not, a warning will be given that the user is using a bad password. Depending on your configuration, a user may be required to use a secure password before it will be accepted. Root may be warned when a password is
[04:40] <JanneM> no?
[04:41] <crimsun> oh, if you're referring to GNOME packages, then yes.
[04:41] <jdub> if a .desktop file is added to the /usr/share/applications/ dir, the panel menu applet updates itself
[04:41] <bob2> jdub: dnotify? ;)
[04:41] <krunk-> lets say it's the basics, e.g., I don't care if the default media player is used as long as it plays files automagically. The want to install all the little games packages, but don't kow how to dig for them so they need to be in the menu
[04:41] <jdub> bob2: via fam, yeah
[04:41] <TdC_VgA> apparently some people have gotten this same card to work, but not me heh
[04:41] <bob2> hah
[04:41] <JanneM> jdub: how would apt know what MIME to register a packaged mplayer handles, for instance?
[04:41] <jdub> krunk-: a lot of the games won't have gnome menu entries
[04:42] <jdub> JanneM: talking about gnome packages
[04:42] <JanneM> ok
[04:42] <jdub> JanneM: if mplayer had a .desktop file, it would work too
[04:42] <krunk-> jdub: alright, is kde acceptably supported (I think they'd prefer k3b over the alternatives)
[04:42] <JanneM> I think krunk- meant it a bit more genreally thoigh
[04:42] <kensai> krunk-: lots of game can be executed through the terminal just wrinting their names
[04:42] <Anna> Ok, let me ask the other way around. How do I change permission to turn read only files into read and write?
[04:42] <jdub> krunk-: kde isn't supported, but it is installable
[04:43] <krunk-> kensai: I know, but this is for a true newb
[04:43] <krunk-> Anna: man chmod
[04:43] <JanneM> krunk-: if you are adding the stuff for them, you can add menu entries manually as well
[04:43] <Anna> ok
[04:44] <Anna> No manual entry for changemod
[04:44] <babui> man chmod
[04:45] <kensai> krunk-: yeah menu entries are the best way to go but I have installed from apt a program that is called menu that adds this things automatocally some of them
[04:45] <Anna> ah
[04:45] <JanneM> Anna: why waste vowels :)
[04:45] <krunk-> JanneM: well, the reason I'm digging for this is: I've been doing that for them min fedora as well as handling all the other little glitches that pop up. they really like linux however they're like: what are we going to do when your not around? and will probably buy XP. They went weeks without being able to play movies because when they clicked the file nothing happened and they didn't want to bother me
[04:46] <JanneM> krunk-: what do they do when something gets messed up in Windows?
[04:46] <krunk-> JanneM: well, that rarely happens if you just use it for things like watching videos, browsing the web, or such. And if it gets very messed up, they reinstall and everything *just works (TM)* again
[04:47] <kensai> krunk-: lol
[04:47] <krunk-> but since it doesn't just work and the install is intimidating, well, it's understandable for those not in the know
[04:48] <kensai> windows gets messed only for browsing the web
[04:48] <babui> at home my wife browses and I finish removing adware, viruses, etc. :-)
[04:48] <kensai> YEAH
[04:48] <babui> with my debian and now with my ubuntu I neves haves problems
[04:48] <krunk-> yes, but it takes time....and the "messed up" is spy ware and pop ups.....thus reinstall. Not saying it's a good strategy but it's what probably 70% of the people do
[04:49] <kensai> ^this leads me to one curiosity does spyware works in Linux?
[04:49] <x43> there would be no benefit from running ubuntu on a xeon processor ?
[04:49] <krunk-> kensai: no
[04:49] <kensai> tracking cookies work on Linux?
[04:49] <kensai> why?
[04:49] <krunk-> kensai: of course
[04:50] <krunk-> kensai: if you have those types of cookies enabled (just like windows)
[04:50] <kensai> so tracking cookies work but spyware dont?
[04:50] <krunk-> kensai: spyware is often binary in nature, such as activeX which will not work in linux
[04:50] <Anna> "chmod: too few arguments" . What argument would I use if I want to change writing permission on all files of a CD RW?
[04:50] <kensai> So I just need to clean my cookies of firefox periodically?
[04:51] <cef> kensai: yup. spyware tries to install stuff that only usually runs on windows.. cookies should work on any architecture
[04:51] <krunk-> kensai: you can simply tighten up cookie handling and never clean.
[04:51] <babui> and it's difficult to install a resident program in linux
[04:51] <babui> even if you execute some code this code will disappear in the next reboot
[04:51] <JanneM> Anna: chmod -R a+rw /path/to/the/CD
[04:51] <cef> it'd be really nice to have a program that kills tracking cookies though
[04:51] <kensai> Ok then when someone start to write spyware for linux we will need to use spyware blaster and adaware?
[04:51] <babui> in the CD you can't change mode
[04:52] <Anna> Ok JanneM, I'll try that (sheesh, and I was suppose to know this from the manual?)
[04:53] <krunk-> kensai: it's very hard to write spyware for linux. Especially if you use only opensource apps. Afterall everyone is looking at the source and no one like spyware
[04:53] <nanotech> anna...i think you'll have to reburn the cd...unless you have some sort of "hot write" ability on it
[04:53] <JanneM> Anna: nope.
[04:54] <nanotech> w/ the permissions
[04:54] <kensai> Ohhh
[04:54] <kensai> because of spyware bill gates runs mac LOL
[04:54] <JanneM> Anna: I think nanotech is right, too; rewritable CD can't really be treated as ordinary file systtem
[04:54] <krunk-> kensai: but in theory, if you were foolish enough to install spyware on linux, it would run
[04:55] <JanneM> Anna: for changing permissions of individual files, you can do that in the file manager
[04:55] <JanneM> Anna: that is for speedy changing of _everything_ at once
[04:55] <krunk-> kensai: no one would add spyware to they're package mirrors though. so you'd really have to go out of your way
[04:55] <kensai> right you are
[04:56] <krunk-> Anna: man chmod will tell you about permission changing
[04:56] <nanotech> so krunk, software can't be installed upon my linux partitions via 3rd party?
[04:56] <nanotech> ie spyware
[04:57] <krunk-> nanotech: well, technically spyware can't be installed via 3rd party in windows either...you have to do it. in linux it could be done if you chose too, but not system wide...only in the users directory foolish enough to install it
[04:58] <nanotech> ok, lets say i stuble accross a site that sploits my sys with java to install some spyware...
[04:58] <krunk-> so, you won't ever have the classic windows problem of spyware reaking havoc on the entire system unless said user was fooolish enough to install as root
[04:58] <cef> nanotech: it's always possible, it's just a lot harder and also less likely (linux is less of a target)
[04:58] <krunk-> nanotech: it would only be done in the user's home directory
[04:58] <nanotech> so the spyware can't be global
[04:58] <nanotech> i c
[04:59] <krunk-> nanotech: exactly. So IF it happens and you notice it's a simple rm -rf ~/.spyware from being gone
[04:59] <cef> and if it did run, to get everywhere else, it'd have to try to assume root, which is also unlikely
[04:59] <x43> the ubuntu cd's that are free do they send you the next latest release ?
[04:59] <nanotech> why is that unlikley?
[05:00] <jdub> x43: you'll have to request them again
[05:00] <nanotech> i thought the ideas WAS to assume root?
[05:00] <krunk-> how is the ubuntu installer? I was super impressed with the xandros one, best I've seen so far
[05:00] <jdub> krunk-: simple, text-based
[05:00] <krunk-> debian style :)
[05:00] <nanotech> yeah, the ubuntu installer was pretty smooth
[05:00] <nanotech> really lax
[05:00] <kensai> But ia have to install pakages as root so If I accidentally install spyware it will be globally?
[05:01] <krunk-> kensai: you never *have* to install packages as root
[05:01] <krunk-> you can make a ~/bin and install packages there if you really want.
[05:02] <kensai> but only in ubuntu then because in other distros I have to install as root
[05:02] <krunk-> so, here's the setup: one has root, she knows what she's doing. Other users either must ok it with her or install into ~/bin
[05:02] <Anna> sigh. command chmod -R a+rw  did not change permission into writable and unspecified error made the trashcan crash...
[05:02] <krunk-> Anna: chmod 666 -R .Trash
[05:03] <kensai> chmod 666 doesn't bring up satan on your screen? LOL
[05:03] <krunk-> Anna: check ownership: ls -ld .Trash you may not have permission to change permissions requiring su root to do it
[05:03] <krunk-> kensai: yes it does, now you know the truth of linux
[05:04] <kensai> LOL
[05:04] <Anna> Ok, basically all I'm trying to do is delete all files on a CD RW. It can't be really that difficult
[05:04] <krunk-> Anna: oooo, cdrw is not like a standard file system
[05:04] <nanotech> i dunno how to do that in ubuntu...
[05:04] <krunk-> Anna: I would suggest using k3b and erasing the disk
[05:05] <nanotech> i do know that there's some sorta burning tool that autolaunches when you insert a blank cd-r
[05:05] <krunk-> or an equiv.....does ubuntu have UDF filesystems enabled by default?
[05:05] <nanotech> am i talking about k3b?
[05:05] <kensai> which is best nautilus cd burner or k3b?
[05:05] <Anna> I use Ubuntu Gnome and I tried to install KDE and K3B. don't ask
[05:06] <krunk-> I find k3b to be one of the best OS apps put out in quite a while....all around
[05:06] <KarlosII> what is so great about ubuntu?
[05:06] <krunk-> KarlosII: it does your laundry and orders pizza
[05:06] <jdub> KarlosII: might want to read the website for such a general question :)
[05:06] <jdub> KarlosII: lots of useful answers to that in the FAQ
[05:06] <KarlosII> jdub, uhh
[05:06] <kensai> KarlosII: everything from it philosophy to its ways
[05:06] <Anna> Ubuntu is a good starting point for newbies who just like to use a GUI of Debian to work yourself deeper into linux
[05:07] <JanneM> on the other hand, with nautilus burner you just drag your files over, select "burn" and you're done
[05:07] <KarlosII> jdub, I read part of it but don't understand what it does differently then other distros
[05:07] <nanotech> speaking about the website and general ubuntu intro...i ordered the desmond tutu book that's linked offa the site...
[05:07] <krunk-> JanneM: does nautilus burner support UDF?
[05:07] <nanotech> WTF does it have to do with ubuntu?
[05:07] <JanneM> what is that?
[05:07] <jdub> KarlosII: it's a single CD install
[05:07] <jdub> KarlosII: it includes a full desktop system by default
[05:07] <jdub> KarlosII: we release every six months
[05:07] <jdub> KarlosII: releases are synchronised with gnome
[05:08] <kensai> every six month is the best part for me
[05:08] <Anna> No JanneM, I tried to drag the files onto that particular CD RW but it tells my the disc is busy - probably -because- there are read only files on there
[05:08] <jdub> gets into specifics beyond that
[05:08] <krunk-> jdub: you a dev?
[05:08] <zenwhen> KarlosII: It doesnt include KDE. Thats a big enough advantage right there
[05:08] <jdub> yes
[05:08] <KarlosII> jdub, so what is it that people see in it
[05:08] <zenwhen> XD
[05:08] <KarlosII> lol
[05:08] <kensai> KDE is bloat
[05:08] <krunk-> props to all OS devs.
[05:08] <jdub> KarlosII: it works really well, is based on debian, etc., etc.
[05:08] <jdub> KarlosII: probably best to read reviews and the FAQ
[05:08] <jdub> kensai: dude, please don't
[05:08] <JanneM> Anna: can't you just format the disk?
[05:08] <krunk-> one mans bloat is anothers utility. some say gnome is bloat :)
[05:08] <KarlosII> jdub, does it come with cedega
[05:08] <kensai> OK forget what I said
[05:08] <jdub> KarlosII: no
[05:09] <Anna> If I knew how...
[05:09] <kensai> LOL
[05:09] <nanotech> so is anyone gonna sugest any correlations between tutu and ubuntu other than the term "ubuntu?"
[05:09] <eruin> KarlosII: you have to pay for cedega, so ofc not ;P
[05:09] <KarlosII> jdub, but lindows deos...hmm  I'm just trying to find one for my mother
[05:09] <krunk-> Anna: sorry, I'm not familar with nautilus and whether it can erase cdrw's
[05:09] <JanneM> Anna: I've never used rewritable CD:s so I can't really help further, but it's bound to be some easy way
[05:09] <jdub> KarlosII: you have to buy lindows
[05:09] <kensai> I find lindows harder to use than ubuntu Honestlyu
[05:10] <jdub> Anna: (i believe it blanks cds first)
[05:10] <KarlosII> jdub, heh I will after  I try it to see if it's workable for mymother
[05:10] <JanneM> nanotech: Tutu and Shuttleworth are bouth from South Africa
[05:10] <eruin> kensai: might be because they concentrate on kde?
[05:10] <Kano> krunk-: cdrecord -dev x,y,z -driveropts=burnfree blank=fast
[05:10] <kensai> maybe
[05:10] <lifeless> I thought tutu was south american for some reason
[05:10] <kensai> and they bring a broken apt
[05:10] <KarlosII> hiya kano
[05:10] <krunk-> Kano: I was trying to avoid the cli for Anna
[05:10] <kensai> just for you to buy crn
[05:10] <eruin> not to mention a broken website :)
[05:10] <Kano> krunk-: ;)
[05:11] <kensai> LOL
[05:11] <nanotech> janneM...i know this...
[05:11] <Kano> a linux user without that knowledge is no real user
[05:11] <KarlosII> lol
[05:11] <kensai> so any other thing to bash? HEHE
[05:11] <nanotech> but one has to DIG deep to see ANY relation to ubuntu and the "FSF" for example
[05:11] <nanotech> or anyother "freedom of software rights" movements
[05:12] <jdub> lifeless: wtf?! :)
[05:12] <lifeless> jdub: ?
[05:12] <jdub> lifeless: south american....
[05:12] <Kano> kensai: if you never use command line you can stay with win
[05:12] <Anna> Well, I happen to have run out of blank CD's which is why I "wanted" to delete all data on a redundant CD RW. I tried Google to find out how but apparently that's an issue.
[05:12] <lifeless> brazil/argentina sort of thing. that was the impression I got from RMS
[05:12] <lifeless> (obviously the wrong end of the globe)
[05:12] <kensai> instead of Lindows yeah
[05:12] <Ng> don't listen to RMS ;)
[05:12] <KarlosII> Lindows :)
[05:13] <kensai> Kano: i HATE WINDOWS
[05:13] <|progenic|> anybody can suggest one good samba browser ?
[05:13] <krunk-> Kano: bah, you shouldn't have to cli to use an os
[05:13] <KarlosII> krunk-, that's a lousy philosophy
[05:13] <Anna> Kano, I like what you did to Knoppix but your attitude sucks ass
[05:13] <KarlosII> Anna, uh
[05:13] <kensai> I have windows in one of my harddrive but I only use it for my games
[05:14] <krunk-> that's a true philosophy.
[05:14] <eruin> whats the anoncvs pserv for gnome?
[05:14] <kensai> theres been a week since I don't boot to Windows
[05:14] <eruin> nm
[05:14] <krunk-> just like you shouldn't have to solder to use a toaster
[05:14] <|progenic|> me too
[05:14] <nanotech> anna...what?
[05:14] <KarlosII> Anna, no windows users can't come to linux thinking they don't have to change their attitudes and ways
[05:14] <|progenic|> almost a week i never boot to windows
[05:15] <Kano> Anna: thats a bit drastic, but if you are not willing to learn that too you do not really need linux
[05:15] <kensai> damn cedega not supporting splinter cell thats the only reason for having one HDD with winslows
[05:15] <nanotech> prog, kensai...that's music to my ears
[05:15] <kensai> What?
[05:15] <nanotech> not booting into win for a week
[05:15] <Anna> It is exactly that derogatory, elitist crap that had kept me away from linux for years.
[05:15] <kensai> yeah
[05:15] <Anna> Who says I
[05:15] <nanotech> i like hearing people expressing how they've become winged offa win.
[05:15] <Anna> m not ready to learn
[05:16] <krunk-> Anna: I have googled a bit for you and there is a way in nautilus to erase your cdrw, but I havn't seen it step by step layed out yet.
[05:16] <kensai> cause I just finished playing splinter cell pandora tomorrow a week ago LOL
[05:16] <KarlosII> kensai, hey if the support C&C Generals that'll get rid of my windows partition
[05:16] <krunk-> Anna: maybe poke around the helps
[05:16] <|progenic|> :)
[05:16] <Kano> Anna: you can not do everyhing with a gui
[05:16] <jdub> guys
[05:16] <krunk-> Kano: name one
[05:16] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[05:16] <JanneM> you should be able to
[05:16] <kensai> I just boot for gaming If I click the blue E in the desktop windows could get messed LOL
[05:16] <|progenic|> to tell the truth, when i got my job interview, a lot of companies nowadays require us to know about linux
[05:17] <krunk-> Kano: without getting to abstract
[05:17] <eruin> KarlosII: cedega supports c&cgenerals
[05:17] <nanotech> for me...i still boot into windows due to multimedia software
[05:17] <KarlosII> eruin, since when
[05:17] <kensai> I'm right now in windows at the university but I'm connected to my server in freebsd
[05:17] <eruin> since 4.0.1, improved in 4.1
[05:17] <eruin> KarlosII: http://downloads.transgaming.com/files/cedega-4.1_releasenotes.txt
[05:17] <bigbrother0074> what is gnoppix?
[05:17] <Kano> krunk-: thats not based upon one example, you need console in many ways.
[05:18] <Ng> anyone know if ia32-libs is enough for cedega to work on an amd64 install?
[05:18] <KarlosII> eruin, zero hour?
[05:18] <Kano> at least the basics everone should know
[05:18] <eruin> KarlosII: isn't that just a mod ?
[05:18] <eruin> or expansion?
[05:18] <kensai> soon my server will be changed from freebsd to red hat
[05:18] <Kano> so it really wont hurt when you know how to burn/erase a cd
[05:18] <KarlosII> eruin, expansion
[05:18] <Anna> I had entered your chat on Kanotix and "well have you ever heard anything of command line" was your response to every question. If you don't feel like talking to anybody "beneath" you, then make it clear that newbies aren't welcome and non-experts should get a clue first.
[05:19] <KarlosII> eruin, u have to install it with it's own key
[05:19] <eruin> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Command_&_Conquer:_Generals_Zero_Hour
[05:19] <eruin> oh, that doesn't matter
[05:19] <krunk-> Kano: for every day use you really don't. now, true things like: find ~/ -type f | xargs chmod 660 you can't easily do that in gui, but it's not a common demand
[05:19] <jdub> Anna, Kano, krunk-: dudes, please, elsewhere.
[05:20] <krunk-> Anna: what version of gnome?
[05:20] <krunk-> jdub: sorry, back on topic.
[05:20] <Anna> 2.8
[05:20] <Mithrandir> Ng: I think it should be enough, yes.
[05:20] <kensai> jdub: rofl
[05:20] <krunk-> Anna: there should be an "erase cd" checkbox
[05:20] <nanotech> are there any linux certs i can work on, that you ppl could sugest?
[05:20] <Ng> Mithrandir: I keep meaning to try, but I always forget when I'm at home in front of it ;)
[05:21] <Kano> Anna: have fun with gui, when you are more advanced you should learn more
[05:21] <Mithrandir> Ng: if there's anything missing from the ia32-libs we have, I'd like to be told, so we could fix it.
[05:21] <KarlosII> eruin, deos internet play work with nocd?
[05:21] <sihuman> hello
[05:21] <Ng> Mithrandir: ok, will do
[05:21] <eruin> KarlosII: no
[05:21] <kensai> Kano: C&C generals is almost supported on cedega
[05:22] <bigbrother0074> what is gnoppix?
[05:22] <kensai> sorry for answering late
[05:22] <nanotech> linux certs? is that a redhat thing? taboo for the ubuntu audience? :P
[05:22] <Ng> nanotech: there are loads, chances are nobody here has one though
[05:22] <krunk-> Anna: did you find it?
[05:22] <eruin> KarlosII: or rather, not sure. I haven't had a chance to test it on 4.1
[05:22] <bob2> nanotech: LPI is supposed to be distro-agnostic
[05:22] <eruin> maybe the improved protection handling has fixed it
[05:23] <krunk-> nanotech: "certs" are distro specific if at all. The best cert is the cert of hard knocks
[05:23] <nanotech> heh...i know that there's loads out there...but i was hopeing to find some sugestions, or repositories
[05:23] <Ng> Mithrandir: can I force the i386 deb to install somehow?
[05:23] <bob2> Mithrandir: "anything missing"
[05:23] <bob2> Mithrandir: erk
[05:23] <nanotech> krunk :P
[05:23] <Anna> No, even if it's there I haven't found it, but I'll just google for. I can't concentrate now as I'm PISSED, so, I'll just cool off.. thanks
[05:23] <gruberman> Argh, Ao works in linux with cedega? And I canelled my account :/
[05:23] <bob2> Mithrandir: someone was complaining about it not containing the alsa libs, does that count?
[05:23] <Mithrandir> nanotech: as Ubuntu is fairly new, there is no certification process up and running.. I would imagine there'll be one at some point.
[05:23] <sihuman> i had just install ubuntu, but my xserver didn't work at the first time, i notice that there no need to do thing as root, but when i type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 he ask me for the root password , and i didn't know it ...
[05:23] <nanotech> what about ubuntu's parent distro...debian?
[05:23] <Mithrandir> bob2: yes, that counts.  File a bug :)
[05:24] <stodge> Is there a command to refresh the Gnome menu after installing an app?
[05:24] <krunk-> nanotech: you can start by reading "from boot to bash" for the basics of a unix system. Than, I find, linux from scratch is a great way to learn *how* a linux system works
[05:24] <Mithrandir> Ng: dpkg --force-architecture -i cedaga*.deb
[05:24] <Ng> sihuman: sudo asks you for your own password :)
[05:24] <bob2> sihuman: it's askign for your package
[05:24] <Ng> Mithrandir: excellent :)
[05:24] <bob2> er, password
[05:24] <nanotech> ouch...linux from scratch...:(
[05:24] <kensai> Anna: repeat with me GUSFRABA and relax then say I love Linux. and it'll be ok
[05:24] <bob2> Mithrandir: ah, well, I'll tell that dude to if he ever reappears
[05:24] <nanotech> i'll check out from bott to bash
[05:24] <krunk-> nanotech: other than that, "the advanced bash scripting tutorial" is good
[05:24] <Mithrandir> Ng: I don't recommend using --force-architecture much -- it can destroy your system if you're not careful.
[05:24] <sihuman> but it didn't work ... i ll retry , i coming back soon , thanks
[05:25] <jdub> nanotech: do the LPI, that'll be the basis for our certs
[05:25] <Ng> Mithrandir: sounds fun. presumably it'd only be likely to hose something if I'm installing something that overlaps with an i386 package?
[05:25] <nanotech> the LPI?
[05:26] <Mithrandir> Ng: correctly, so doing that to libc is _very_ stupid. :)
[05:26] <Ng> Mithrandir: haha, yes, I can see how that would be a mistake ;)
[05:26] <kensai> I have 11 gmail accounts to give any one here interested?
[05:26] <Ng> Mithrandir: is there anything I can do to help out with Ubuntu/amd64 type stuff, btw?
[05:27] <krunk-> kensai: jesus christ, you own stock?
[05:27] <kensai> LOL
[05:27] <kensai> nahh
[05:27] <Mithrandir> Ng: it might have problems with dependencies, though I hope not.
[05:28] <Mithrandir> Ng: amd64 is actually coming along fairly well, bug reports, fixes and such is, as usual, appreciated.
[05:28] <krunk-> oh wait, is ubuntu 100% debian compat? or is it limited to ubuntu repositories?
[05:28] <Ng> Mithrandir: cool, I'll keep an eye on bugzilla then :)
[05:28] <jdub> krunk-: we discourage mixing repos,
[05:28] <bob2> krunk-: you can probably use debian packages on it, but it's not supported
[05:28] <kensai> krunk-: I've installed debian apps and they work properly
[05:29] <jdub> krunk-: because, ideally, everything should be available in universe, built against ubuntu
[05:29] <kensai> but gtk-gnutella doesn't work
[05:29] <krunk-> jdub: ok, see I tried xandros. their devs have really done a bang up job, but they've customised so that using straight debs break things...and they're package selection is extremembly crippled, e.g., no firefox, evolution, etc.
[05:30] <jdub> krunk-: that's why we have universe
[05:30] <kensai> which p2p is good for debian?
[05:30] <nanotech> nicotine
[05:30] <nanotech> werd.
[05:31] <nanotech> it's the linux equalv of soulseek
[05:31] <kensai> I just have azureus and thats more like an ftp
[05:31] <nanotech> wich i've been on for years
[05:31] <krunk-> azureus is awsome
[05:31] <kensai> is nicotine in apt?
[05:31] <nanotech> yes
[05:31] <kensai> yeah I use azureus for everything
[05:31] <nanotech> i dont' know how to dl...complie...install packages...
[05:32] <Gmail> so when is hoary going to have stuff in its branch?
[05:32] <kensai> in which network is nicotin based?
[05:32] <nanotech> in wich netwrok?
[05:32] <nanotech> soulseek
[05:32] <kensai> gnutella, fasttrack, e-donkey?
[05:32] <nanotech> independant of kazaa
[05:33] <bob2> Gmail: /topic
[05:33] <kensai> soulseek is a diff network?
[05:33] <nanotech> it's indepentand of all
[05:33] <nanotech> yes
[05:33] <kensai> Kool but have many files>?
[05:33] <nanotech> initally engineered to trade abstract electronic abulms not normally found on those nets
[05:33] <kensai> Ohh
[05:33] <nanotech> kensai...no. i legally own all my data
[05:34] <kensai> don't understand what you are trying to say
[05:34] <nanotech> get nicotine...that's what i'm saying
[05:35] <kensai> Ohh
[05:35] <nanotech> it's it's own net
[05:35] <kensai> how I do that *kensai notes he don't know how to do this
[05:35] <kensai> ?
[05:35] <Mithrandir> kensai: /me <foo>
[05:35] <nanotech> daniels, not at all...because i'm about to ask how to install /compile code
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[05:35] <Elim> help im using a live cd to backup data on a destroyed install but the 10 mb connection is transfering at like 32kb how do i speed it up?
[05:36] <Mithrandir> kensai: whatever you do.
[05:36] <Mithrandir> kensai: so /me notes he doesn't know how to do this
[05:36] <Mithrandir> for instance.
[05:36] <nanotech> off to read up on make install, and configure
[05:36] <Moof> Elim: hdparm is probably what you're after..
[05:36] <nanotech> and creating my own packages
[05:36] <Elim> what is it?
[05:36] <Moof> oh
[05:36] <Moof> wait, no
[05:36] <Moof> might be what you're after
[05:36] <nanotech> there's this secure relay chat prog i'd liek to package for ubuntu
[05:37] <kensai> which is best bithx or irssi?
[05:38] <Elim> hdparm is about configuring cdroms/hard drives
[05:38] <Elim> :S why do i need this?
[05:38] <kensai> Is there anyway to make ubuntu boot faster
[05:38] <kensai> ?
[05:38] <ermina> Hi there
[05:38] <Mithrandir> kensai: it's the obvious solution, at least: get a faster computer. :)
[05:39] <kensai> Nope because mandrake boots faster than ubuntu
[05:39] <ermina> anybody knows how to modify gnome menu ??
[05:39] <bob2> ermina: applications:/// in nautilus
[05:40] <Gmail> bob2: in other word when is it going to be ready for use?
[05:40] <kensai> Is just that ubuntu load many things not needed at boot time
[05:40] <kensai> Like Raid devices which I don't use
[05:41] <jdub> kensai: those aren't the slow bits
[05:41] <jdub> kensai: in fact, they're basically no-ops
[05:41] <jdub> the slow bit is hotplug
[05:41] <sihuman> ubuntu r0x :)
[05:41] <kensai> so which are?
[05:41] <jdub> which we're going to work on for hoary
[05:41] <sparkes> Gmail, don't attempt to install hoary, read the subject title, it you install there will be a mass resination of developers
[05:41] <kensai> Yeah UBUNTU freaking Rock!!!!
[05:41] <bob2> Gmail: when is *what* going to be ready?
[05:41] <bob2> Gmail: hoary?
[05:41] <Gmail> hoary
[05:41] <daniels> Gmail: hoary will be ready for use when we say 'hoary is ready for use'
[05:42] <Gmail> when will it be usable
[05:42] <daniels> Gmail: right now, hoary is not ready for use
[05:42] <Gmail> daniels: i know /topic says that
[05:42] <kensai> isn't hoary planned for testingin december?
[05:42] <jdub> it'll be ready for testing before then
[05:42] <jdub> at the moment it's going through syncing insanity
[05:42] <daniels> Gmail: yes, well the topic does not lie
[05:43] <Gmail> like now jdub?
[05:43] <daniels> Gmail: it will be ready for testing when the merge is finished
[05:43] <daniels> right now, the merge is not finished.
[05:43] <Gmail> crap my mirror went down
[05:44] <ermina> thanks bob2
[05:44] <Gmail> mirror.isp.net.au/ubuntu is dead
[05:44] <kensai> do the ubuntu devs changed in some ways the debian installer?
[05:44] <Mithrandir> kensai: yes
[05:44] <agenteo> I've got a problem while tring to mount the floppy, the system tells /dev/fd0 does not exist... actually it does not exist :-) but it was there... I don't know why now it doesn't work...
[05:44] <jdub> Gmail: um, didn't we just say "no, it's not ready now"?
[05:44] <daniels> Gmail: i'm sure that mirror will be back up eventually
[05:45] <kensai> is it right if my ram is 512 to have a swap partition of 512?
[05:45] <Gmail> jdub: i didnt change to hoary
[05:45] <Gmail> i am using warty its just the server went down
[05:46] <edwardam> Is there a net install for Ubuntu?
[05:49] <agenteo> founded: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 :-)
[05:53] <kensai> which is the distro that has been on your desktop for the mos time and how much time?
[05:53] <kensai> I plan ubuntu to stay for me like 6 months
[05:54] <kensai> then use hoary hedgehog so I will not change from distro anymore
[05:55] <kensai> Kool thing is that hoary hedgehog will use xorg
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Can the Live CD be installed to hd using the Morphix Installer ?
[05:56] <Gmail> Rank  	Distribution  	H.P.D*
[05:56] <Gmail> 1 	Mandrakelinux 	1598<
[05:56] <Gmail> 2 	Fedora 	1340<
[05:56] <Gmail> 3 	SUSE 	1123<
[05:56] <Gmail> 4 	Ubuntu 	1100<
[05:56] <delire> Gmail: the ubuntu packages server?
[05:56] <izaac> cool
[05:56] <delire> Gmail: "went down"?
[05:57] <Gmail> manbrake just had a offical final releast
[05:57] <kensai> UBuntu was #3 two days ago
[05:57] <Gmail> delire: yes one of the mirrors
[05:57] <delire> Gmail: which mirror?
[05:57] <Gmail> but SuSE had an offical resest 2 days
[05:57] <Gmail> *ago
[05:57] <Gmail> delire: isp.net.au
[05:58] <delire> ok doesn't affect me (about to install two systems)
[05:58] <bob2> LinuxJones: just use the normal cd if you want to install
[05:58] <stvn> delire: finally ;)
[05:58] <jordi> hey dudes
[05:58] <Gmail> SuSE 2 days ago was 878 HPD
[05:58] <delire> hehe yes, convinced now.. the devel packages was a concern
[05:58] <jordi> is anyone officially in charge of website mods here?
[05:58] <stvn> delire: can imagine, good to know it's ok - might need it in the future ;)
[05:58] <edwardam> What's the ubuntu opinion of xorg vs xfree ?
[05:59] <daniels> jordi: not as such -- what's up?
[05:59] <delire> stvn: for sure..
[05:59] <kensai> edwardam: theres something explaining that in the faq
[05:59] <daniels> edwardam: we have been planning to switch for xorg for some time, but didn't have time to switch from xfree86 for warty.  two of us are working on xorg packages now.
[05:59] <jordi> daniels: in the local mailing lists webpage, it might be worth adding a note about Catalan.
[05:59] <IM_mourns_JPeel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/x.org
[06:00] <LinuxJones> bob2, I am just curious as to whether they Ubuntu dev's will base an installer on that or code a new installer for the LiveCD ?
[06:00] <jordi> daniels: you guys tell me how acceptable this is from the Ubuntu perspective: we had a short debate wether a ubuntu-ca would be useful, and most people agreed that debian-user-catalan was more than enough to support ubuntu too
[06:00] <edwardam> daniels, cool.
[06:01] <jdub> jordi: ubuntu-ca would be ubuntu canada anyway ;-) ;-)
[06:01] <daniels> jordi: talk to jdub about it
[06:01] <jordi> so if this is ok with Canonical, it might be worth adding a note, mostly to avoid missguided dudes asking for one
[06:01] <jordi> jdub: uh?
[06:01] <LinuxJones> jdub, nothing wrong with Ubuntu Canada :)
[06:01] <jordi> "If you wish to create a list or a channel in a new language..."
[06:02] <jordi> I thought the lists were about languages, ie, using ISo 639 codes
[06:02] <jdub> jordi: there was a joke in there
[06:02] <jordi> oh, ok :)
[06:02] <jordi> sorry dude, I'm *so* fed up of debating this :)
[06:02] <jdub> even the canadian didn't get it...
[06:02] <jdub> haha
[06:02] <bob2> LinuxJones: I don't know
[06:02] <jdub> jordi: i guess that's alright
[06:02] <Erix> is the live cd iso on ftps final release?
[06:03] <jdub> jordi: dunno about website though
[06:03] <jordi> dumb people always keep asking me to rename my stuff to "-catalan" "-cat" or whatever, if I'm using "-ca"
[06:03] <Gmail> Erix: no
[06:03] <daniels> Gmail: er, are you sure about that?
[06:03] <jordi> jdub: well, it would add a pointer for Catalan users to the apropriate list.
[06:04] <jordi> I need to leave, damn
[06:04] <daniels> Gmail: the livecd image no longer carries an 'rc' tag, and I'm pretty sure it's final
[06:04] <Erix> gmail: is that beta2? it doesn't mention any beta in the name?
[06:05] <daniels> Erix: i'm pretty sure it's beta2; ignore gmail.
[06:05] <Erix> daniels: you mena it is beta or not? it looks like final release
[06:05] <daniels> Erix: er, sorry
[06:05] <daniels> Erix: 'i'm pretty sure it's final'
[06:05] <stvn> Erix: it's final
[06:05] <daniels> i'm also pretty sure i need to go to bed now
[06:06] <stvn> night daniels
[06:06] <Erix> ok. thanks to all. let me start downloading
[06:06] <kensai> which is the name of the creator of ubuntu?
[06:07] <jordi> the question was that, specifically, if a note directing to a non-ubuntu resource should be added in the mailing lists page :)
[06:07] <jdub> kensai: mark shuttleworth started the project
[06:07] <jordi> The unoffiial forums are being advertised here :)
[06:07] <jordi> jdub: in case it's ok, the link is http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-catalan/
[06:07] <kensai> hes the one who sold his company in 575 millions?
[06:08] <bob2> kensai: he sold thawte for a large amount of money, yes
[06:09] <kensai> Thawte Consulting, to Verisign, for US$575 million in late 1999. He appears to be a generous person: after the sale, he reportedly paid bonuses of one million Rand each (about US$163,000 at the time) to every one of his employees.
[06:09] <altan> I'm having a problem with RhythmBox, it loads about 5% of my music files then stops loading the rest, but says it is
[06:09] <kensai> Thats being generous enough
[06:09] <oddabe19> is there supposed to be a splash-ish boot screen for ubuntu?
[06:10] <jdub> oddabe19: not in warty, there will be in hoary
[06:10] <oddabe19> oh, ok
[06:10] <oddabe19> good
[06:10] <Gmail> ok i was told about 12hrs ago it was beta
[06:10] <oddabe19> i was confused for a second
[06:10] <oddabe19> thanks
[06:11] <oddabe19> altan, i have the same problem, i recompiled it, re installed it, with no help, i don't know what it is
[06:11] <jordi> jdub: well, gotta go. If you can ask this for me, I'd appreciate it.
[06:11] <altan> hmm
[06:12] <altan> does sitting around a while to make sure it loads help?
[06:12] <altan> as in, did you try sitting around?
[06:12] <oddabe19> yeah, i let it sit for 9 hrs while i was sleeping and at class
[06:12] <jdub> jordi: will mail you about it
[06:12] <jdub> hey Manny
[06:12] <kensai> will ubuntu be proted for sparc 64?
[06:12] <Manny> jdub: hi :)
[06:12] <oddabe19> i used to have that problem when i ran FC1
[06:12] <kensai> ported*
[06:12] <jdub> Manny: congrats on removing the distro menu ;)
[06:13] <Manny> jdub: ;)
[06:13] <Manny> jdub: does adding a new module to CVS (bookmark-applet) require any application process?
[06:13] <jordi> jdub: danke
[06:13] <Manny> once, I was told to simply add it
[06:13] <jdub> Manny: (let's take this to #g-h :)
[06:13] <jordi> Manny: oh? the distro menu has been removed in GNOME CVS or what?
[06:14] <Manny> jordi: yes :)
[06:14] <Manny> finally
[06:14] <stvn> :)
[06:14] <oddabe19> altan, but i really don't know, i'm just gonna wait till a new one is released... or i feel like going cvs... so for the time, i'm using Muine and beep
[06:16] <kensai> why is ubuntu first release 4.10?
[06:16] <jdub> 2004, october
[06:16] <wannes> its released in ocotber 2004
[06:16] <oddabe19> altan, I'm downloading .8.7 now, when i compile it and make a .deb, i'll send it to you
[06:16] <oddabe19> we can see if that'll work
[06:16] <wannes> next release il be in 2005, april => 5.04
[06:17] <altan> hmm
[06:17] <wannes> (if i'm correct)
[06:18] <kensai> Kool so what counts is not the version number just the codename?
[06:19] <oddabe19> altan, do you want a i686, k7, 386 or 586 pkg?
[06:20] <oddabe19> damn... configure error, this is gonna take longer then i thought
[06:21] <kensai> so ubuntu really is i486?
[06:21] <bigbrother0074> how might i configure RAR as an allowed extension in xchat?
[06:21] <jdub> kensai: yes
[06:21] <kensai> but can be configured for i686 downloading a kernel?
[06:21] <kensai> form apt?
[06:21] <jdub> kensai: built to work on i486, but tuned for p4
[06:22] <kensai> Ohh ok
[06:22] <jdub> kensai: there are 686 and k7 kernels available
[06:22] <jdub> but that's different to how the packages were built
[06:22] <will> help! i have a huge problem on booting x after i have logged in it says my session ended before 10 seconds \unable to read ICE authority file! please help!
[06:22] <kensai> what are k7?
[06:22] <jdub> athlon
[06:22] <jdub> night all
[06:22] <ukh> any chance we will see live CDs for ppc or amd64?
[06:22] <bob2> 'night jdub
[06:22] <kensai> I have athlon-xp which is best for me?
[06:22] <bob2> ukh: if people want to help
[06:22] <bob2> kensai: k7
[06:22] <bob2> will: you used k3b?
[06:22] <LinuxJones> will, delete the ~/.ICEauthority file and try logging in again.
[06:23] <will> bob2> yes!
[06:23] <bob2> will: do what LinuxJones said
[06:23] <kensai> OHh so i just download the k7 kernel from apt and it installs flawlessly?
[06:23] <will> thanks guys!
[06:23] <will> be back soon!
[06:23] <bob2> kensai: no, you tell apt you want it and it downloads and installs it for you
[06:23] <altan> oddabe did you try deleting non-MP3 files?
[06:23] <altan> I think that might be the problem
[06:24] <LinuxJones> kensai, ya It will modify grub for you as well. Just re-boot into the new kernel
[06:24] <kensai> apt-get install kernel 2.6.8 k7? something like that?
[06:24] <altan> what's the option to delete items in subfolders too with rm? -R?
[06:24] <oddabe19> altan, rm -r
[06:24] <bob2> kensai: you need to know what package you want
[06:24] <oddabe19> i'll try that
[06:24] <bob2> kensai: apt-cache search linux-image k7
[06:24] <kensai> and the default kernel will be replaced?
[06:24] <oddabe19> rhythm box also freezes on me after a little bit
[06:25] <bob2> kensai: no, it is still available
[06:25] <bob2> kensai: the default will be the new kernel tho
[06:25] <ukh> bob2: ok, thanks.  I'll just have to convince my wife I can borrow her Wintel box while checking out Ubuntu...
[06:25] <bob2> ukh: that's what night time is for :-p
[06:25] <ukh> bob2: heh  :-)
[06:25] <kensai> Kool I'll try it then . I have to download the kernel source to install nvidia drivers or not after doing that?
[06:25] <bob2> kensai: no
[06:26] <bob2> kensai: wiki.ubnutulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:26] <altan> oddabe19> altan, rm -r <--- doesn't see them
[06:26] <will> Linuxjones: UNABLE to read this file / directory!
[06:26] <altan> with rm -r *.jpg
[06:26] <kensai> SO I have to go trough the same process again?
[06:26] <oddabe19> rm -rf *.jpg
[06:26] <bob2> kensai: what process?
[06:26] <altan> ok
[06:26] <golan_> hi to all... I was wondering if it was possible to apt xine... it is not in multiverse...
[06:26] <will> /home/william/.ICEauthority
[06:26] <bob2> golan_: xine is in ubuntu
[06:26] <LinuxJones> will, easiest is to sudo -s then rm /home/<username>/.ICEauthority
[06:26] <kensai> of installing the nvidia drivers
[06:26] <bob2> kensai: have you read that page before?
[06:27] <golan_> bob2: not ubuntu for powerPC then...
[06:27] <bob2> golan_: yes it is
[06:27] <kensai> yeah I have ubuntu working with my nvidia drivers
[06:27] <will> it does not exist
[06:27] <kensai> already
[06:27] <bob2> kensai: then just read that page and do what it says
[06:27] <golan_> ok bob2 another additional check...
[06:27] <will> Linuxjones: the file/dir does not exist in 1st place
[06:27] <kensai> I have already did that
[06:27] <LinuxJones> will, it is .ICEauthority it is case sensitive are you sure the name is correct
[06:27] <kensai> and I have the drivers working
[06:28] <bob2> kensai: then yes, you need to do the trivial work of installing the module package again
[06:28] <kensai> but the apt sources will remain how they were?
[06:28] <will> linuxjones: will try again!
[06:28] <LinuxJones> will, ok
[06:28] <bob2> kensai: how do you mean?
[06:28] <altan> still not working, will spaces in the directory names do that?
[06:29] <bob2> altan: rm -r dirname
[06:29] <golan_> sorry bob2... apt-cache search xine ... no results with "xine" exact...
[06:29] <kensai> the lines I added for multiverse will remain there so I just need to apt-get it and kaboom it is done?
[06:29] <bob2> altan: that will get rid of everything in dirname
[06:29] <golan_> no way to run "xine"
[06:29] <altan> I have a ton of dirnames to do though
[06:29] <bob2> kensai: apt-get what? resitricted-modules? yes.
[06:29] <bob2> golan_: I'm on ppc, I see many xine packages
[06:29] <kensai> yeah the nv drivers
[06:29] <golan_> I already apt-cache gencaches
[06:30] <golan_> yes me too bob2... but none with "xine"
[06:30] <bob2> golan_: it's in universe
[06:30] <bob2> golan_: ?
[06:30] <bob2> golan_: install totem-xine or xine-ui or whatever you want
[06:30] <kensai> I wiil experience good boost with the k7 kernel?
[06:30] <golan_> hmmm... isn't universe already in the base system? I also added multiverse...
[06:30] <bob2> kensai: no
[06:30] <bob2> golan_: no, it's disabled by default
[06:30] <golan_> ouch... it's that!!!! how to enable universe?
[06:30] <kensai> then it is not worth the installation
[06:31] <bob2> kensai: yes, I know
[06:31] <kensai> LOL
[06:31] <golan_> hmmm... maybe already an answer within faqs?
[06:31] <bob2> it might have extra hardware support or something, tho
[06:31] <bob2> golan_: yes
[06:31] <will> Linuxjones: all working now, thanks!
[06:31] <golan_> thanx a lot!!! I'll go doing that...
[06:31] <bob2> golan_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:31] <LinuxJones> will, np ;)
[06:31] <golan_> :) bob2
[06:31] <bob2> golan_: or just uncomment the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update"
[06:31] <kensai> then whats the point of having the k7 kernel if it does not boost performance?
[06:32] <bob2> it can give a bit of a performance boost
[06:32] <bob2> and people will whine if it's not there
[06:32] <kensai> OK then I'll try it
[06:33] <kensai> thanks for everything bob2
[06:33] <bob2> you're welcome
[06:33] <bob2> try it and see if you can notice the difference ;)
[06:34] <kensai> yeah maybe a 0.03% boost will be noticed LOL
[06:35] <kensai> how do I edit the things that boot on ubuntu cause when booting it starts some things I don't really use
[06:35] <kensai> is there a way of doing this?
[06:36] <bob2> sure
[06:36] <bob2> ubuntu uses sysv init like every other linux distribution
[06:36] <jono> anyone use festival here?
[06:36] <altan> this is ridiculous, isn't there a way to remove stuff in directories that have spaces in the names?
[06:36] <golan_> bob2: everything ok now... thanks a lot! :)
[06:36] <kensai> so how do I edit it?
[06:36] <altan> manually deleting them seems really antithetical to the whole Linux thing
[06:37] <bob2> kensai: sysv-rc-conf
[06:37] <bob2> altan: erm, of course
[06:37] <bob2> altan: rm -r "whatever blah blah"
[06:37] <bob2> golan_: you're welcome
[06:37] <altan> rm -r *.jpg didn't work
[06:37] <kensai> #sysv-rc-conf ?
[06:37] <bob2> kensai: it's a package, dude.
[06:37] <altan> bob2 it's about 40 spaced directiies with more spaced directories in each of them
[06:37] <bob2> altan: "didn't work"?
[06:37] <kensai> LOL
[06:37] <altan> didn't work
[06:37] <bob2> altan: define that
[06:37] <kensai> I install it from apt
[06:38] <bob2> altan: since "rm *" gets dirs with spaces for me
[06:38] <attitude> Is bugzilla down for ubuntu
[06:38] <altan> here's an example, Music/King Crimson/In The Court Of The Crimson King/albumart.jpg still exists when I run the command from Music
[06:39] <altan> the command I'm entering is rm -r *.jpg
[06:39] <bob2> ok, you need to understand how globs work
[06:39] <attitude> I have founnd a bug and need to report it
[06:39] <bob2> your shell expands "*.jpg" when run in Music to include all the filenames in Music itself that match *.jpg
[06:40] <altan> doesn't the -r command look in the subdirs beneath it though?
[06:40] <bob2> attitude: working for me
[06:40] <bob2> altan: yes, but your *shell* expands *.jpg, not rm
[06:40] <bob2> altan: you want something like: find -name "*.jpg" -type f
[06:40] <attitude> bob2: said it could not be found
[06:40] <attitude> let me try again
[06:41] <bob2> altan: which will print out all the files (type f) whose names match "*.jpg" (-name)
[06:41] <altan> yeah, that's useful
[06:41] <bob2> if you're happy with the output, run this command: find -name "*.jpg" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm
[06:41] <altan> can I plug this in to rm somehow?
[06:41] <bob2> like that
[06:41] <altan> ah
[06:41] <bob2> but make sure you're completely happy with the first run
[06:41] <helix> hooray for find + xargs
[06:41] <bob2> no second chances :)
[06:42] <altan> what should I put in xargs? rf?
[06:42] <bob2> attitude: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <altan> or just type xargs as it is?
[06:42] <bob2> that command I gave will delete them
[06:42] <altan> all right, thanks
[06:43] <altan> awesome! rhythmbox works
[06:47] <attitude> bob2: Looks like it was safari so i started to use firefox
[06:47] <bigbrother0074> what would i use to open a rar file w/?
[06:48] <costinha> hi
[06:48] <Terk> I have a stupid problem....
[06:48] <costinha> its possible mount htfs partitions in ubuntu?
[06:48] <Terk> I have overriden the default backspace function by mistake... When messing with my media keys
[06:48] <bigbrother0074> costinha: i believe so, but i'm a newb too
[06:49] <Terk> Now I don't know how to get the default back ...
[06:49] <Terk> i'm really stupid... :-P
[06:49] <Terk> anybody??
[06:49] <costinha> anyone know htfs module for ubuntu?
[06:51] <oddabe19> altan, sorry to bring this up again, but would you like the 0.8.8 version from debian unstable?
[06:51] <altan> no thanks, it works
[06:52] <altan> oddabe, try removing non-media files from the directories
[06:52] <altan> it works for me
[06:52] <WW> Hello world.
[06:52] <izaac> wasup WW
[06:52] <oddabe19> thanks... I have a whole folder just for music, but, I have a subdirectory for guitar tabs and chords, that couldbe mesisng it up
[06:52] <oddabe19> i'll try that
[06:52] <attitude> have a good one guys
[06:52] <attitude> later
[06:53] <WW> How can I find all the protocols availabel in nautilus?  E.g. applications:///, burn:///, etc/
[06:54] <ploum> Hmm.. This is boring. Famd keeps me from unmounting HD partitions :-(
[06:54] <lupus_> WW, in the help doc?
[06:54] <tolstoy> WW, good question!
[06:54] <altan> http://img77.exs.cx/img77/5479/error.png <--- I did get this error though, but that's probably something to do with the extraordinarily long filename or something
[06:55] <WW> lupus_: I'm not in Ubuntu right now... is it in the help that I get by clicking on the life preserver icon?
[06:55] <Terk> Can anybody help me with my weird backspace problem?
[06:55] <Terk> I have overriden the default backspace function by mistake... When messing with my media keys
[06:56] <Terk> Now i can't get it back!
[06:56] <Terk> I know it's silly
[06:56] <Terk> But I can't find out
[06:57] <lupus_> WW,it's in the help of nautilus
[06:57] <lupus_> 7.8.4
[06:58] <WW> lupus_: Thanks! I'll check it out.
[06:58] <lupus_> hmm
[06:58] <lupus_> I notice that I can not copy paste from the help file
[06:59] <lupus_> can someone verify this?
[06:59] <kensai> `j
[06:59] <Terk> lupus: Yes you're right
[07:00] <kensai> why is glxgears so slow in ubuntu?
[07:00] <lupus_> Terk bleh then I have to open a bugreport :)
[07:00] <Terk> haha
[07:01] <kensai> is there problems with glxgears cause it runs slow but Unreal tournament runs jsut Fine
[07:01] <Terk> Maybe you can help me with getting default backspace functionality back
[07:01] <Terk> I messed up while config. my media keys
[07:02] <WW> kensai: There's a brief discussion of glxgears in the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484
[07:04] <altan> wow, I just plugged my new digicam in, I'm impressed at not having to do anything and at the usefulness of the import interface :)
[07:04] <bob2> yeah, it's pretty cool
[07:04] <altan> i haven't used a digicam on Linux before, but sometimes installing drivers on Windows was a pain, and the interface was really basic, just thumbs without anything else
[07:06] <kensai> Ok I see glxgears is not a trusted benchmark
[07:06] <aLi`> altan ne dion ya :P
[07:06] <altan> hoo sen nereden ciktin vatandas
[07:06] <aLi`> :)
[07:07] <altan> anyway merhaba, but let's keep it in english and not alienate the rest of the channel :)
[07:07] <aLi`> fazlamesai den ciktim altan #fazlamesai
[07:08] <attitude> Any ideas on the time line for the next release?
[07:09] <bob2> erm, 6 months
[07:09] <attitude> bob2: that long
[07:09] <bob2> attitude: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule
[07:10] <bob2> attitude: 6 months for a major new release is really really really quick
[07:10] <Potn> nyo
[07:10] <aLi`> i get an error on bootin up that says "inserting hw_random,, no such device?
[07:10] <attitude> bob2: it was just a little jokey a little humor ;)
[07:11] <utis> Hello!
[07:12] <utis> Where is a good place for a polite request to include a package into universe?
[07:13] <bob2> attitude: ah, heh
[07:13] <bob2> aLi`: it's ugly but harmless
[07:15] <attitude> I need a nap
[07:15] <aLi`> bob2: i dont wanna get tihs error. how can i fix, disable, or invisible it??
[07:15] <WW> bob2: I nothing _nothing_ about hotplug stuff, but I have heard about blacklisting modules.  Can the hw_random module be blacklisted, to avoid that boot error?
[07:15] <WW> (Ah, one _nothing_ would have been enough...)
[07:16] <bob2> I'm pretty sure WW is right
[07:16] <bob2> but I haven't tried it
[07:16] <bob2> you can just add hw_random to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to test
[07:16] <poin_t> \o
[07:17] <Gmail> bob2: shouldnt you be sleeping?
[07:17] <WW> bob2: I'll have to try that when I get home.  And maybe try something similar for the i823650/yenta errors.
[07:19] <bob2> Gmail: at some point
[07:24] <urukhai> hi
[07:24] <urukhai> i wonder if anyone could help me...
[07:25] <izaac> urukhai: we cant help you if we dont know your problem first
[07:25] <urukhai> ubuntu install worked fine, but it won't go into X, the screen remains blank.
[07:25] <urukhai> i changed the vesa driver to vga in XF86Conf
[07:26] <urukhai> which worked more or less, but 640x480x8 is ugly
[07:27] <urukhai> now i cant figure out what went wrong... i've got an Ati X800, and vesa driver worked fine in other debian-based distros...
[07:27] <spiv_> urukhai: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[07:29] <urukhai> okay thanx, i'll give it a try...
[07:30] <TalkSoup> hey
[07:33] <ions> yesterday I was here asking about an Internet connection that was dropped.  Restarting the cable modem fixed this but only temporarily, the connection was shortly dropped again.  Any ideas?
[07:35] <manuel_> Hi all! Do you have a link were i get tips to get my wireless card(Centrino) working?
[07:35] <wannes> ions: bad cable ?
[07:35] <wannes> or bad modem :)
[07:35] <bob2> manuel_: it's not working out of the box?
[07:36] <ions> well this happened after doing a apt-get upgrade
[07:36] <ions> it worked consistently fine previous to that
[07:36] <aLi`> i have centrino 1.5 cpu.. which is better for me, linux-i386 or linux-686 image?
[07:37] <ions> wannes: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2250&highlight=update+ssh for a more complete explanation of the problem
[07:37] <vrln> aLi`: afaik 686
[07:38] <manuel_> bob2: no. the card was detected, but it will not work...
[07:38] <bob2> manuel_: "will not work"?
[07:39] <wannes> ions: have you got a spare router ?
[07:39] <wannes> if your box keeps it's connection to the router, but the router loses it's connection to the internet
[07:39] <manuel_> bob2: I cannot establish a connection.
[07:39] <ions> no not spare but I do have one I can sacrifice for a short test I guess
[07:40] <wannes> then it's not an ubuntu problem, but a problem with your provider ...
[07:40] <ions> I was thinking the same thing but hoping for a better solution :\
[07:40] <bob2> manuel_: you can't associate?
[07:40] <ions> I use the same ISP, the Ubuntu box is my neighbours.
[07:41] <ions> I have no problems, but I do use a router
[07:41] <funkytwig> having a promlen geting apache to work, installed apache-common and appache-util but have no /etc/init.d/httpd
[07:41] <ions> the Ubuntu machine ran fine for a couple weeks until I did the upgrades
[07:41] <urukhai> wah, doesn't work
[07:42] <urukhai> the system hangs up when starting gdm
[07:42] <bob2> funkytwig: instal lthe "apache2" package.
[07:42] <urukhai> ctrl-alt-del won't even work
[07:43] <manuel_> bob2: i can set the details like ESSID and KEY with iwconfig. But than it doesn't connect. the wireless-gnome-applet says "no wireless device"
[07:43] <funkytwig> bob2:is that wise - I thought there were issues with threading and people generaly used apache1
[07:43] <urukhai> doesnt anyone have another advice?
[07:45] <bob2> funkytwig: apache1 is not supported on ubuntu
[07:45] <LinuxJones> urukhai, can you ctrl+alt+F2 ?
[07:45] <funkytwig> urukhai:it may be a hardware conflict, try putting cards in different slots and removing unnessesery ones - I asume this hapens regularly
[07:45] <bob2> the threading issues were sorted out by not using threading ;)
[07:45] <PluH> hi, any1 had the problem that grub freezes during the 1st boot after install ??
[07:45] <manuel_> bob2: iwconfig says:"Power Management:off" what does that mean?
[07:45] <bob2> manuel_: I don't know
[07:46] <manuel_> :-((
[07:46] <bob2> manuel_: try asking on the ubuntu-users list
[07:46] <urukhai> LinuxJones: no
[07:46] <urukhai> funkytwig: i don't think so, other deb-based distros (like mepis 2004.3) work well
[07:46] <PluH> hi, any1 had the problem that grub freezes during the 1st boot after install ??
[07:46] <funkytwig> bob2:hang on - apache-common is a Ubuntu module
[07:47] <LinuxJones> urukhai, you seem to have a hardware issue with your, comp maybe bad memory or something
[07:47] <urukhai> well WinXP has no problem
[07:47] <bob2> PluH: seems no one has, try asking on the list
[07:47] <bob2> funkytwig: that is odd
[07:47] <urukhai> should I try to apt-get the binary drivers from ati (fglrx)?
[07:48] <LinuxJones> urukhai, it does this each time you try to boot into Linux ?
[07:48] <bob2> funkytwig: apache (the apache 1.3 package) itself is in universe, tho
[07:48] <funkytwig> urukhai:but Ubuntu does - WinXP has lots of problems, they are just different;)
[07:48] <urukhai> LinuxJones: yes, every time it starts gdm...recovery mode  no problem there
[07:49] <jeld> hello all
[07:49] <funkytwig> urukhai:uhat is apache-common?
[07:49] <LinuxJones> urukhai, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:49] <funkytwig> bob2:uhat is apache-common?
[07:49] <urukhai> LinuxJones: that's where I am at now :)
[07:50] <LinuxJones> urukhai :)
[07:50] <bob2> funkytwig: seems to just hold init scripts and such...I'm trying to find out what it's for atm
[07:50] <funkytwig> bob2:ta
[07:51] <urukhai> reboot...I'll try it, wikis are always right
[07:51] <PluH> bob2: ta
[07:51] <LinuxJones> urukhai, you don't have to re-boot
[07:51] <netmonk> greets
[07:52] <urukhai> sure i have to, dual-boot Win/Linux, now I'm in XP
[07:53] <funkytwig> bob2:Dont worry - it looks like apache2 is OK for my purpose - i.e. type3, thank for your help
[07:53] <urukhai> cu soon
[07:53] <LinuxJones> urukhai, ahh
[07:53] <bob2> funkytwig: oh, I was curious about it, too
[07:53] <funkytwig> bob2:me to - let us know if you find anything.
[07:55] <netmonk> i have a question about ubuntu, can someone plese help me?
[07:55] <ogra> netmonk: sure
[07:55] <vrln> has anyone tried upgrading to hoary-devel yet? (yes, I'm aware it's very unstable and things are propably broken)
[07:55] <altan> when I'm installing gnuboy, do I just want the binaries or the svga and sdl libs too?
[07:55] <netmonk> I reach the point about partitions
[07:56] <netmonk> and then it seems like I don't have a choice, I have win, suse and a free partition for ubuntu
[07:56] <netmonk> but I'm not sure how to to choose it
[07:56] <bob2> select the free partition, hit enter
[07:56] <ogra> netmonk: use the arrow keys
[07:57] <bob2> change the usage, mount point, etc
[07:57] <netmonk> should I put a mount point?
[07:57] <ogra> netmonk: yes, you system partition is called /
[07:58] <netmonk> ok, so I put mountpoint "/" for the empty one, right?
[07:58] <jono> which modules do I need from the GNOME CVS to compile a simple GNOME desktop?
[07:58] <ogra> netmonk: right, also select a filesystem of your choice
[07:59] <bob2> jono: why do you need anything from cvs?
[07:59] <funkytwig> is the mod apache module for apache2 libapache2-mod-php4?
[07:59] <bob2> funkytwig: yes
[07:59] <jono> bob2, I want to hack on some code
[07:59] <netmonk> ok, got you ogra, I have two more questions, can I shoot? ;)
[07:59] <ogra> netmonk: ext3 is commonly used
[07:59] <ogra> netmonk: go ;)
[07:59] <bob2> funkytwig: the apache 1 stuff in main is so php4 can build for apache
[07:59] <bob2> jono: so...?
[07:59] <bob2> jono: you want to compile gnome applications?
[08:00] <jono> bob2, no I want to hack on GNOME itself
[08:00] <netmonk> I intend on putting it on laptop, toshiba is acpi functional
[08:00] <funkytwig> bob2:i c - well kind of - by build do you mean compile/make
[08:00] <jono> hence needing the CVS code
[08:00] <bob2> jono: #gnome on irc.gimp.org
[08:00] <netmonk> stuff like standby suspend
[08:01] <funkytwig> bob2:I am going to install apache2, php4 and mysql at the same time - or should I do them in a spacific order?
[08:01] <bob2> funkytwig: doesn't matter
[08:01] <jono> bob2, cheers
[08:01] <bob2> jono: they can point you in the right direction at least
[08:02] <ogra> netmonk: should be fine (havent upgraded my tecra 8200 yet, but on debian it allways worked so i assume ubuntu will too)
[08:02] <netmonk> ok
[08:02] <__daniel> re
[08:02] <ogra> __daniel: hi
[08:03] <__daniel> hai ogra
[08:03] <urukhai> :-(
[08:03] <ogra> urukhai: ??
[08:03] <urukhai> can't bring it to work...
[08:03] <ftwig> cool - changed my nick cos it was a bit long for people to type;)
[08:04] <urukhai> i shall give it up for now...
[08:05] <bob2> ftwig: tab completion, dude!
[08:05] <netmonk> my last question is about my wireless card - it's a Linksys wpc11 ver.4
[08:05] <netmonk> will it work
[08:05] <TdC_VgA> i booted up the live CD
[08:05] <urukhai> and my last question is about my gfx card
[08:06] <TdC_VgA> and all i have is a blank gnome desktop with a minimize all button
[08:06] <TdC_VgA> nothing on any of the panels but the minimize button... suggestions?
[08:06] <urukhai> what driver for a Radeon X800? vesa, ati do not work!
[08:06] <utis> hm, I can't get solfege from universe to work.  Sounds seem to work in general, though.  But not midi?  Does anybody have an idea what I could do?
[08:07] <isam> I am doing a : dpkg -l|grep ubuntu|awk '{print $2}'      to find out what packages I have that have ubuntu in thier version number  .. the problem is that it is displaying only 14 chars of the package name .. is there a way to format the output of dpkg
[08:08] <bob2> TdC_VgA: post to the list or file a bug
[08:08] <netmonk> orga, my last question is about my wireless card - it's a Linksys wpc11 ver.4
[08:08] <netmonk> will it work
[08:08] <bob2> isam: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ...
[08:08] <spiv_> isam: COLUMNS=999 dpkg -l | etc....
[08:08] <caleb_> does ubuntu have the new wireless applet that the Novell guys originally wrote for the Suse desktop?  i cant think of the name offhand
[08:08] <ogra> netmonk: hmm, according to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fWirelessNetworkCards i'd say yes :)
[08:08] <TdC_VgA> bob2: anything specific i should put or just "booted up on my averatec and everything was blank" heh?
[08:08] <isam> bob2, spiv_ : Thanks
[08:08] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA, do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed ?
[08:08] <bob2> TdC_VgA: include the version, and what you saw happen, I guess
[08:09] <bob2> TdC_VgA: lamont will ask for more info if he needs it
[08:09] <netmonk> ok, ogra. 10x a bunch will get on installing right away
[08:09] <netmonk> ;)
[08:09] <ogra> Netminder: do it, its worth it :)
[08:10] <TdC_VgA> hmm booted up that time
[08:10] <urukhai> is the fglrx-driver in the ubuntu repository?
[08:10] <Gnat42> does anyone have experience installing on PowerBook G4 -> destination drive Firewire Drive?
[08:10] <TdC_VgA> odd, different behavior between boots. never a happy sign hehe
[08:11] <LinuxJones> urukhai, it is in the restricted repository
[08:12] <urukhai> but i can't find it!
[08:12] <bob2> urukhai: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:12] <urukhai> i did read it!
[08:12] <GuBAathome> hello
[08:12] <GuBAathome> I need a cd-label of ubuntu ...
[08:12] <urukhai> but it doesna help
[08:12] <urukhai> cause apt-get doesnt find the driver
[08:13] <LinuxJones> urukhai, it is there I can see it
[08:13] <bob2> urukhai: then you didn't enable the restricted repository
[08:13] <urukhai> am I blind? probably...
[08:13] <ogra> urukhai: did you "apt-get update"/synaptic "refresh" before trying to install ?
[08:13] <urukhai> bob2: and how do i do that?
[08:13] <altan> what text editor would you guys recommend that has syntax highlighting + ability to launch commands (like python $currentfilename)?
[08:13] <jazzka> hi!
[08:14] <bob2> urukhai: are you using synaptic?
[08:14] <netmonk> ogra, i'm up to the point with the partitions, bootable flag off or on?
[08:14] <michel_v> altan: emacs?
[08:14] <will> does anyone know a good program to burn iso's in ubuntu?
[08:14] <jazzka> I cannot unrar files using File Roller, I get this error: unrar: invalid option -- c
[08:14] <jazzka> Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information.
[08:14] <urukhai> no, i'm at the command line
[08:14] <cardador> jazzka: install unrar-nonfree
[08:14] <ogra> netmonk: doesnt matter.....its a old dos setting ;)
[08:14] <netmonk> ok,
[08:14] <LinuxJones> will, nautilus will do that jsut right click on the .iso file and burn
[08:14] <bob2> urukhai: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <altan> michel_v, I remember trying to use that once, I couldn't do anything
[08:14] <altan> I'm looking for something a bit more simple
[08:15] <will> linuxjones: ta mate!
[08:15] <netmonk> when I'm ready to continue it shows a little scull
[08:15] <netmonk> is that bad, ogra
[08:15] <michel_v> altan: have you followed the tutorial though?
[08:15] <LinuxJones> will, :P
[08:15] <bob2> urukhai: enable the restricted archive
[08:15] <will> Linuxjones: does nautilus erase cd-rw's?
[08:15] <urukhai> let's have a look...
[08:15] <jazzka> cardador, I've got unrar already installed
[08:15] <altan> michel_v: I just need something like gedit with a run-command feature and syntax highlighting
[08:16] <altan> emacs has a bit of a kitchen sink reputation
[08:16] <GuBAathome> somebody can help me? ... I need a cd-label of ubuntu ...
[08:16] <ogra> netmonk: that should alert you if there would be any data left on it.....
[08:16] <netmonk> ok
[08:16] <cardador> jazzka: do you have unrar-nonfree? because there is unrar AND unrar-nonfree
[08:16] <ftwig> I have apache2, mysql, php4 installed from synaptic.  I have edited /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and uncomented the line
[08:16] <ftwig> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[08:16] <ogra> netmonk: means it will kill the old setting
[08:16] <urukhai> everything seems to be enabled...
[08:17] <netmonk> ok
[08:17] <LinuxJones> will, I would assume but not 100 % sure
[08:17] <ftwig> and restarted apache2 - what else do i need to do to get php working
[08:17] <netmonk> i'm pressing forward ;)
[08:17] <jazzka> cargador, I search unrar-nonfree and I cant find it
[08:17] <jazzka> cardador, which source should I add to source.list?
[08:17] <umarmung> altan, do you know that gedit has a 'run command' plugin?
[08:17] <ogra> netmonk: yay
[08:18] <urukhai> it is definately not there
[08:18] <altan> no, I don't, I guess that will help
[08:18] <corbob> :( i think i broke my ubuntu install
[08:18] <corbob> either that or my computer is screwey
[08:19] <Gnat42> anyone know how to install onto a firewire disk PPC version?
[08:19] <urukhai> just nvidia-glx, but no fglrx
[08:19] <altan> cool, thanks
[08:19] <Erix> altan bey iyiakamlar
[08:19] <__daniel> corbob: whats wrong?
[08:19] <michel_v> Gnat42: can anything ever boot off a firewire disk?
[08:19] <altan> there doesn't happen to be a syntax highlighting plugin though, I guess?
[08:19] <cardador> jazzka: add universe and multiverse
[08:19] <urukhai> i did apt-get update, and yet, nothing :(
[08:19] <altan> merhaba Erix
[08:20] <urukhai> restricted repositories seem to be enabled
[08:20] <corbob> when ever i come back to my computer after a few hours (i can't get specific with times as i don't know exactly when it occurs) it is frozen, nothing responds
[08:20] <cardador> jazzka: smt like: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[08:20] <__daniel> corbob that's strange
[08:20] <Gnat42> michel_v: Yes, You can install OS X onto firewire and boot holding the T button (instead of C for Cdrom)
[08:20] <umarmung> altan, gedit has syntax highlight for some languages
[08:20] <corbob> i thought it was power management, but i disabled that, and it still does that, so i just disabled the screensaver, and hope it's that
[08:20] <michel_v> ok
[08:20] <__daniel> corbob: maybe you'd check  /va/log/syslog  after booting it again
[08:21] <corbob> although i did enable universe in synaptic and upgraded a bunch of packages
[08:21] <__daniel> corbob: that shouldnt be the problem
[08:21] <Gnat42> if I know how it works for OSX it has some kind of scsi emulation
[08:21] <will> anyone ever used slackware here?
[08:21] <Gnat42> I've used it to install beta versions of OS X to the firewire to play with them before upgrading.
[08:21] <LinuxJones> urukhai, the packagename is fglrx-driver
[08:21] <urukhai> so i do sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[08:21] <__daniel> corbob: after a crash reboot and to this:     tail -n 300 /var/log/syslog | more     and read up to the point where it crashed
[08:21] <corbob> erm...
[08:21] <urukhai> but it won't work
[08:22] <urukhai> telling me "couldnt find package"
[08:22] <corbob> sometime between 4:17 and 5:17
[08:22] <corbob> apparently there's a cron job that runs every hour, and the last time it ran was 4:17...
[08:23] <__daniel> corbob: damn... that's not very specific on what killed it :-/
[08:23] <LinuxJones> urukhai, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list make the line look like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe then apt-get update and try installing again.
[08:23] <__daniel> corbob: sorry, then i'm no help
[08:23] <corbob> it's after about an hour and a half of inactivity
[08:24] <corbob> actually no that's not true
[08:24] <corbob> that was when it happened yesterday, but i was in bed long before 4 am, more like 1 am, so there doesn't seem to be a set time of inactivity:|
[08:24] <urukhai> LinuxJones: sorry, but that does not work
[08:25] <LinuxJones> urukhai, it does work heh
[08:25] <urukhai> well no
[08:25] <will> how do i stop gnome remebering recently used bloody documents?
[08:25] <LinuxJones> urukhai, ok then let's leave it @ that
[08:25] <urukhai> hopeless case :/
[08:25] <corbob> oh wait that's the wrong log...
[08:25] <corbob> that's auth.log
[08:26] <wasabi> Is Ubuntu supporting Mono?
[08:26] <ogra> will: look at the end of the list ;)
[08:26] <urukhai> but maybe there is another way
[08:26] <will> ogra: no for good!
[08:26] <corbob> hda: timeout waiting for DMA...
[08:27] <Seveas> wasabi, it is in universe
[08:27] <Seveas> so no official support, but you can install it
[08:27] <ogra> mdz ?
[08:27] <urukhai> bye
[08:27] <corbob> that's the last error before i rebooted it this morning...
[08:27] <mdz> ogra: ?
[08:27] <urukhai> thanx for the help that didnt help me :)
[08:27] <wasabi> I guess, if I wanted to write a nice GUI utility for joining a Kerberos/LDAP network... something which would fit in perfectly, could I write it in Mono.
[08:28] <wasabi> Something I'd be interested in Ubuntu using.
[08:28] <urukhai> i suppose i'll check back later
[08:28] <wasabi> (and im only guessing they would want it)
[08:28] <urukhai> cu
[08:28] <deadcat> wheres the live ppc iso? cant find it.
[08:29] <ogra> mdz: i thought about the pcihp support.....what about a empty hotfix package which does echo "pciehp" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist in postinst, one could users advise to install this instead of editing blacklist
[08:29] <will> deadcat: it does not exist yet im afraid
[08:29] <bob2> deadcat: there isn't one
[08:29] <deadcat> DOH.
[08:29] <ogra> mdz: else we'll have to deal with this until hoary :(
[08:29] <mdz> ogra: I don't think we will release a critical update just for a cosmetic issue
[08:30] <deadcat> there doesnt seem to be ANY ppc live distros no?
[08:30] <mdz> it is nothing more than some text on the screen
[08:30] <mdz> deadcat: knoppix
[08:30] <ogra> yes, but generates loads of questions
[08:30] <deadcat> mdz: ppc? link me please
[08:30] <johnlevin> deadcat: there isn't an ubuntu ppc live cd
[08:30] <johnlevin> but there is a Knoppix MiB ppc live cd
[08:31] <mdz> deadcat: you can use google as well as I can
[08:31] <deadcat> )=
[08:31] <johnlevin> I put an url on the mailing list recently
[08:31] <will> so anyone have any idea how you 'disable' the recently used documents?
[08:31] <deadcat> will: rm
[08:31] <corbob> when the kernel reports: hda: timeout waiting for DMA does that sound like a failing hard drive? or should i just go hda=nodma at boot...
[08:32] <johnlevin> deadcat: see www.bouissou.net/knoppix-mib/
[08:33] <deadcat> johnlevin: ah.
[08:36] <Acridien> hello
[08:37] <Acridien> I'd like to know what is the kernel module that detect usb device ?
[08:37] <Acridien> I need to refresh it
[08:37] <Gnat42> is the kernel in ubuntu configured without the ability to remove modules?
[08:37] <Acridien> ?
[08:38] <Acridien> i don't know the name i should append to the command modprobe -r
[08:38] <bob2> Gnat42: yes
[08:38] <bob2> Acridien: there is no kernel module which detects usb devices
[08:38] <Acridien> so
[08:38] <bob2> Acridien: unless you mean the usb controller module
[08:38] <ogra> Acridien: probably: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[08:38] <Acridien> bob2: anything that has usb in it
[08:39] <bob2> Acridien: what are you trying to acheieve?
[08:39] <Acridien> bob2: i m here cause I don't know the module name
[08:39] <Acridien> I want to be sure that my usb device has been detected
[08:39] <bob2> then plug it in
[08:39] <ogra> Acridien: dmesg|less
[08:39] <bob2> if the kernel saw it, it will say so in /var/log/messages
[08:41] <ogra> Acridien: you can also use the graphical interface too: Computer-> Sytem Tools->Device Manager
[08:42] <WW> GAIM users: how do I stop that popup window from appearing when I am idle for a while? (I am looking at docs right now, but haven't found it yet.)
[08:43] <cardador> WW: preferences, away/idle
[08:43] <ogra> WW: got only a german version... its in the settings...
[08:43] <__daniel> ogra: hehe... that's what i thought too :-)
[08:44] <ogra> WW: last checkbox in away/idle
[08:44] <ogra> __daniel: *g*
[08:44] <Acridien> ogra: Oct 27 18:41:48 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 3
[08:44] <Acridien> this ?
[08:45] <ogra> Acridien: doe the timestamp fit ?
[08:45] <bob2> that means a device was seen
[08:45] <ogra> does
[08:45] <bob2> if a driver worked on it, it'd be listed below that
[08:45] <Acridien> ogra: timestamp ?
[08:45] <WW> cardador, ogra: Thanks.
[08:45] <SmokingFire> Anyone ever played the game wing (galaga clone)?
[08:45] <ogra> Acridien: the is a date and time at the start.....
[08:46] <ogra> Acridien: compare it to the time you plugged in
[08:46] <Acridien> ogra: i will try again pluging it
[08:46] <Acridien> ogra: is it a good idea?
[08:46] <ogra> Acridien: it's usb....should do no harm
[08:47] <Acridien> ogra: i m not sure but the only other usb i have is my printer and it's off
[08:47] <ogra> Acridien: so its likely you device you see
[08:47] <ogra> your
[08:48] <Acridien> ogra: we got it
[08:48] <Acridien> ogra: :-)
[08:48] <ogra> Acridien: ;)
[08:48] <Acridien> ogra: tx
[08:48] <ftwig> problem with apache2
[08:49] <ftwig>  * Starting web server (Apache2)...
[08:49] <ftwig> (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[08:49] <ftwig> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[08:49] <ftwig>  *able to open logs                                                      [fail] 
[08:49] <ftwig> b
[08:49] <ftwig> any ideas
[08:49] <ogra> Acridien: ask again if you need help :)
[08:50] <ogra> ftwig: did you use sudo ?
[08:51] <corbob> __daniel, i found what it did before it froze the last time...
[08:51] <__daniel> corbob: what was the problem?
[08:52] <corbob> just a second i'll paste it to a pastebin site
[08:54] <ftwig> ogra:no
[08:55] <ogra> ftwig: so it works now ?
[08:55] <ogra> ftwig: with sudo
[08:55] <ftwig> ogra:yes - thaks
[08:55] <corbob> __daniel, http://rafb.net/paste/results/RNPLP435.html
[08:55] <ogra> ftwig: youre welcome ;)
[08:55] <corbob> but the time before that when it froze it doesn't say anything like that:-/
[08:56] <__daniel> corbob: hmmm, maybe you install smartmontools
[08:56] <__daniel> corbob: dont know if they help you, but maybe they'll give you a clue
[08:57] <ftwig> ogra: thought it was TGTBT whan I try to load a .php page is popes up a 'Opening' box talking acount PHTML ;(
[08:57] <ogra> ftwig: so i dont need to answer your mail anymore ? *g*
[08:57] <corbob> well i had heard a clicking coming from my computer sometime last week, so i called in the warranty, and took it down to staples, but it didn't do it for them, and their tools said the hdd was fine:|
[08:58] <__daniel> corbob: start doing backups
[08:59] <ftwig> ogra: no - ime impressed - thats what I call quick - i need to be more patient / drink less coffee ;)
[09:00] <citybird> super quick question. what package does umbuntu use for remote desktop??
[09:00] <ogra> ftwig: i answered it anyway for the archive ;)
[09:00] <corbob> if the hard drive fails it had better be before april:|
[09:00] <corbob> or i will be royally pissed
[09:00] <ftwig> citybird: VNC or Terminal server
[09:00] <corbob> seeing as the warranty expires in april
[09:01] <corbob> and i can't afford to replace it:(
[09:01] <__daniel> corbob: have a look at the manufacturer's site, they sometimes have testing tools too
[09:01] <ftwig> ogra: good move - its a shame mailman douse not have a decent archive search
[09:01] <jacob> Doesn't the packages in warty-universe ever get upgraded ?
[09:01] <citybird> ftwig: thanks for the info, gonna check it out
[09:02] <ftwig> citybird: you done an install yet
[09:02] <citybird> no not yet, just downloaded the live cd and gnopix cd's to check it out
[09:02] <citybird> have to burn them now
[09:03] <ogra> ftwig: google is there at least, but youre right, it would be a killer feature
[09:03] <corbob> is it a good thing when searching google for maxtor, and the top site is theirs, but the one just it is a news report entitled: Maxtor loses their CFO again...
[09:03] <ftwig> citybird: good luck - the actual install is a breaze for most people
[09:04] <citybird> ftwig: yea should be for me too, I currently run gentoo but i need a good distro to recommend to a linux newbie.
[09:04] <citybird> ftwig: and gentoo would be a bit deep for someone new.
[09:04] <urukhai> LinuxJones: do you think my problem could be related to the AMD64 version of ubuntu i'm using?
[09:05] <ftwig> citybird: I recon Ubuntu is the one - even easier to install than Mandrake - and debian not Redhat based!
[09:06] <citybird> ftwig: i used to use redhat and ive tried susie. rpm's make my skin crawl
[09:06] <ftwig> ogra: I think there is an add-on - maybe I should find what it is and ask for it to be added
[09:07] <ogra> citybird: synaptic/apt-get  is unbeaten
[09:07] <ftwig> citybird: I dont really care wether someone is a newbee or not - I think the idea of painlessly getting a system up and customising it afterwoods is the way to go
[09:07] <citybird> ogra: I think apt-get is great. have you tried portage??
[09:07] <corbob> their software is only for windows and os/2:|
[09:08] <citybird> ftwig: yea, painless is what i am looking for. i want to recommend it to my friend. but i have to try it first
[09:08] <ogra> citybird: nope, i'm .deb addicted ;)
[09:08] <__daniel> corbob: the ibm hard disks had a "boot disk" for example
[09:08] <citybird> btw what is the exact name of the app in this screenshot? http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=152&slide=86
[09:09] <corbob> the only thing maxtor has is a exe that tests read/write...
[09:09] <citybird> what is called from the command line?
[09:09] <ftwig> citybird: If its on a new HD its boot and press return 5 times.  I think there may be issues with dual boot - I myself use caddies
[09:09] <corbob> might it be an idea to try passing hda=nodma to the kernel at boot...
[09:09] <ogra> citybird: vino-preferences
[09:09] <citybird> vino
[09:10] <__daniel> corbob: sorry can't tell you
[09:10] <corbob> i know i have to pass that to the kernel on my laptop
[09:10] <corbob> but i've never had an issue with my laptop:(
[09:11] <corbob> well maybe if i can live with it until next month i'll mention it at the next LUG meeting
[09:11] <ftwig> after apache2/php/mysql install when I I try to load a .php page is popes up a 'Opening' box talking acount PHTML ;(
[09:11] <citybird> oh, it's part of gnome 2.8 :-) ok cool$
[09:11] <__daniel> ogra: i didnt get that either
[09:11] <corbob> we seem to have 2 groups of people in our LUG:) fedora/red hat users, and ubuntu users
[09:12] <corbob> there's only 2 ubuntu users, but the others were impressed, and i think one or 2 might switch:)
[09:12] <ftwig> ogra: how do you do that * action thing
[09:12] <citybird> ftwig: type /me infront of your message
[09:13] <xiximkopp> what is the current status of usplash? is somebody working at this? is there some kind of prerelease??
[09:13] <ogra> ftwig: apache2 is slightly different is php4 in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ?
[09:14] <kami> quick question: i am trying to do some research on this while i am at work and has anyone had a problem with using  lne100tx from netgear?
[09:15] <kami> when i do an ifconfig it only comes up with the loop back
[09:15] <kami> <--- linux noob atm just looking for some place to start so i can learn what to do
[09:15] <ftwig> ogre:yes
[09:16] <bratsche> What do I do if all my panels and shit disappear between system resets?
[09:16] <bratsche> How do I get that stuff back the way it was?
[09:17] <ftwig> ogre: php4.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load
[09:17] <ogra> ftwig: so it should work... did you restart with the restart command or did you really stop it ?
[09:18] <m0rb1d> does the new version of gnoppix (based in ubuntu) as support for ati radeon x800
[09:18] <ftwig> ogre: no - the opening thing is where I am now, I stoped/started apache2
[09:18] <ftwig> ogra:LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
[09:18] <Deep7> ogra, the latest release is...previous versions were not
[09:19] <ftwig> ogra: no - the opening thing is where I am now, I stoped/started apache2 - sorry got your nick wrong
[09:19] <m0rb1d> ogra: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/04/10/27/0428220.shtml?tid=90&tid=163&tid=190&tid=107
[09:19] <citybird> ogra: yea, they almost look like trwins
[09:19] <citybird> twins
[09:19] <ftwig> ogra: do you mean knoppix?
[09:19] <xiximkopp> should be state
[09:19] <citybird> gno, gnoppix
[09:20] <ogra> ftwig: nope : www.gnoppix.org
[09:20] <timothy_> ogra: they weren't until the latest one ...
[09:20] <m0rb1d> but does it has support for the ati radeon x800
[09:20] <timothy_> and I don't know if that means they will continue to be, or if that was sort of a one-off thing.
[09:20] <timothy_> ogra: it's a very slick live CD though, so I hope they do continue it.
[09:21] <WW> bratsche: Maybe this will help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-05.5471347004
[09:21] <m0rb1d> timothy_: do you know if ubuntu supports the ati radeon x800
[09:21] <WW> bratsche: The also happened to me once, but that was before the final release.
[09:21] <citybird> ftwig: check out this gnoppix screenshot http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=161&slide=31
[09:21] <ftwig> ogra: just found it - Debian Woody powered it says
[09:21] <ogra> m0rb1d: gnoppix is knoppx based..... nobody can tell....even the ubuntu livecd uses morphix
[09:22] <timothy_> m0rb1d: sorry, no idea :)
[09:22] <m0rb1d> ok tnx, guys
[09:22] <timothy_> I have no fancy card, and don't know anywaus/
[09:22] <timothy_> anyways
[09:22] <bratsche2> WW: Could you repeat that?
[09:22] <bratsche2> Sorry
[09:22] <WW> bratsche: Maybe this will help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-05.5471347004
[09:22] <bratsche2> Thanks.
[09:22] <altan> when I try to remove emacs and OpenOffice it tells me it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, is that okay to remove? I searched the forums, it said it was okay, but that was just one person
[09:23] <WW> bratsche2: np
[09:23] <timothy_> m0rb1d: however, I would be interested in knowing; I would like to find a 3D card that is well supported with all-free drivers, so I could play with flightgear :)
[09:23] <johnlevin> altan: yes, it's okay
[09:23] <johnlevin> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[09:23] <altan> what about ubuntu-base, is that a metapackage?
[09:23] <timothy_> the "will also remove" messages in any debian package manager are the scariest thing ...
[09:23] <ogra> m0rb1d: means x800 probably 9800
[09:23] <ftwig> citybird: blimy - there are rather quick - or maybe its just gnome 2.8 and they included the ubuntu background
[09:24] <timothy_> Like "No, I want to keep these things! Why can't I remove package Z without generating a huge list of *other* things that it wants to remove?"
[09:24] <m0rb1d> ogra no, i mean x800
[09:24] <ftwig> ogra: you got any ideas or shall I give the list a go
[09:24] <timothy_> Usually it's all fine, but it's hard to tell.
[09:24] <ogra> m0rb1d: ok....
[09:24] <johnlevin> altan: yes, I think so
[09:24] <rem> hey all .. i have a problem with printing and scanning with Ubuntu ..
[09:25] <ftwig> altan:no - dont do that
[09:25] <citybird> well if that doesn't convince you then this link will ;-) http://source.rfc822.org/pub/local/gnoppix/
[09:25] <ogra> ftwig: looks like mine and my phpmyadmin is working.... drop it to the list, if i get an idea ill post it
[09:25] <citybird> ftwig: check out this link. they even named it warty http://source.rfc822.org/pub/local/gnoppix/
[09:25] <altan> I want to remove vi cause I'm never going to use it,
[09:25] <ftwig> ogra: cool - mucho thanko
[09:25] <rem> i have 3 printers, 1 works (deskjet) through smb, but the 2 others (laser bw and c), are on the lan ..
[09:26] <rem> the 2 laser printer dont work ..
[09:26] <xiximkopp> altan: you can safely remove the packages... removed mine weeks ago...
[09:26] <rem> it says everything ok in the gnome printer manager, but when i try to print nothing happens ..
[09:26] <altan> xiximkopp: ubuntu-base, right?
[09:26] <rem> i configured it through cups and ip .
[09:27] <rem> they work from the other computers on the lan .
[09:27] <rem> anyone ..=?
[09:27] <ogra> citybird: gnoppix is sponsored by http://credativ.de/ , they sponsor a lot of debian projects
[09:27] <rem> does anyone know how to install a printer thats on a LAN ..?
[09:28] <altan> is it safe to remove vi if it says that it will also remove ubuntu-base? is ubuntu-base a meta-package with no real function like ubuntu-desktop?
[09:28] <xiximkopp> altan:  yes thats allright
[09:28] <buffalo> i am starting out with a custom (i.e., minimal) ubuntu. how do i add a base version of gnome? in debian, i simply had to do "apt-get install gnome-core", but this doesn't work in ubuntu
[09:28] <ogra> altan: yep
[09:28] <altan> okay
[09:28] <rem> ..doesn anyone know where i can get help ?
[09:28] <ogra> buffalo: ubunru-desktop
[09:29] <johnlevin> rem: try the mailing list
[09:29] <buffalo> ogra: thanks, i'll give that a try
[09:29] <rem> i already tried the mailing-list for my scanner problem but didnt get no help ..
[09:29] <ogra> buffalo: ubunru/ubuntu
[09:29] <rem> and had a sound problem with ubuntu preview, and is luckily fixed with the release ..
[09:29] <rem> Ubuntu seems great, but if you have a problem ure alone on the world !
[09:30] <ogra> rem: so you did upgrade from preview ?
[09:30] <johnlevin> rem: have you tried the forums?
[09:30] <rem> reinstall ..
[09:30] <rem> ill try the forums some more ..
[09:30] <buffalo> ogra: wait, that comes with everything that the full install has, including stuff I don't want, like totem, xsane, gnome-pilot, cdrecord
[09:31] <kami> tech suipport = google :D
[09:31] <buffalo> is there no way to do just a core gnome install?
[09:31] <rem> (i went back Sarge, and gave Ubuntu another try when the release came out ..)
[09:31] <kami> support*
[09:31] <ogra> rem: waht do you get typing: groups
[09:31] <ogra> rem: is scanner in the list ?
[09:31] <rem> yup
[09:31] <rem> last in the list .
[09:31] <ogra> rem: hrm...
[09:32] <ogra> rem: usb scanner ?
[09:32] <Arex> Anyone feel like fielding a question about iPods?
[09:32] <rem> yup Canon Lide30..was working fine with Mandrake b4 ..
[09:32] <rem> ..what list ..? sane ?
[09:32] <ogra> rem: scanned today with a Lide20
[09:32] <rem> its in sane ...with plustek ?
[09:33] <ogra> buffalo: just try gnome
[09:33] <rem> did it recognize your Lide20 right away ..?
[09:33] <ogra> buffalo:  not gnome-desktop
[09:33] <ogra> rem: wait, ill plug it in
[09:33] <buffalo> ogra: i tried that also, it works in debian, but not in ubuntu
[09:34] <jind> I try to compile a new kernel here but it complains of missing gtk20 dependecies? Everything it says it needs is installed. But still I get this error message:
[09:34] <jind> * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that
[09:34] <jind> * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed...
[09:34] <jind> * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0.
[09:34] <jind> *
[09:34] <jind> make[1] : *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_gtkcheck]  Error 1
[09:34] <jind> make: *** [gconfig]  Error 2
[09:34] <jind> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-2.6.9 #
[09:34] <bratsche> I give up.  I think my Gnome desktop is hosed.
[09:34] <aLi`yok> i have a raedon 7500 vga.. is fglrx-driver necessary for me?
[09:35] <makia> anyone here using mac-on-linux?
[09:36] <ogra> buffalo: i got a gnome package in ubuntu....
[09:36] <rem> nope..i installed yellowdog long time ago, but cant help u much im fraid ..
[09:36] <ogra> rem: cant find any reference to plustek....
[09:36] <rem> how are ure conf files  ..?
[09:37] <rem> you have /etc/scanner in it ? or /etc/usb/scanner0 ..?
[09:37] <rem> ..or ?
[09:37] <buffalo> ogra: yeah, that's what is so weird. the package exists (even gnome-core), but ubuntu's version of apt-get doesn't seem to recognize it
[09:37] <rem> locate plustek ..?
[09:37] <ogra> rem: havent touched my conffiles....
[09:38] <rem> all right ..well..gotta go, but thanks for the help anyway..laters ..
[09:38] <ogra> rem: yes, its on the disk....
[09:38] <ahal> does anyone know if an ubuntu package for http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/ is available somewhere?, imho it should be installed by default in ubuntu
[09:38] <ogra> rem: did _you_ touch your conffiles ?
[09:39] <rem> i played with them a little, but made sure to make a copy of them, and restored the copy ..
[09:39] <citybird> ahal: i agree.
[09:39] <ogra> rem: hmm...
[09:39] <rem> i googled quite a bit, and tried stuff but nothing worked till now ..
[09:40] <rem> ...other than that i really like ubuntu, i wouldnt want to go back to Mandrake, cze of a d#@ scanner and printing prob !
[09:41] <rem> ok..well ill try some more, and pass by later..ill let you know if i solved the prob ..
[09:42] <delire> just trying to install on two laptops without floppies. both fail, as they don't have floppies. switching to TTY3 it says it can't load floppy.ko because the device doesn't exist. any special boot paramaters to get around this problem???
[09:42] <delire> there is little other dmesg output
[09:42] <ogra> rem: rem: delete ~/.sane
[09:43] <rem> ..will a new one be generated ..?
[09:43] <ogra> rem: sure
[09:44] <aLi`yok> i have a raedon 7500 vga.. is fglrx-driver necessary for me?
[09:45] <delire> ok trying expert mode without loading the floppy module..
[09:45] <rem> it made a new .sane, but neither xsane nor kooka got the scanner. They just give me my webcam ..
[09:46] <ogra> rem: if you plug out your cam ?
[09:46] <rem> i tried then i have no device ..
[09:47] <ogra> rem: hmm...
[09:47] <ions> ogra: my Internet connection problem is back (from yesterday)
[09:48] <ions> restarting the cable modem does nothing
[09:48] <rem> is there anything special to do to configure a network printer ..?
[09:48] <ogra> ions: replugging ?
[09:48] <ahal> is there any way to at least get someone to consider adding a new package (gaim-encryption) to ubuntu
[09:48] <ions> unplugging and replugging it does nothing
[09:49] <delire> if ubuntu won't install due to being unable to load the floppy driver (there is no floppy on this laptop) what is the *best* method of getting around it?
[09:49] <ogra> ions: very strange
[09:49] <ions> I think it may be a cable modem prob now because Knoppix isn't finding a connection either
[09:50] <ions> it worked for a couple hours last night then failed
[09:50] <dante_> hello all
[09:50] <ogra> ions: did you call your provider....
[09:50] <ions> not yet
[09:50] <ions> last time I did that they hung up when I said the 'L' word
[09:51] <ogra> ions: they can measure the biterror rate on the cable
[09:51] <ions> "Sorry sir we don't support that if you have a Windows related... blah blah "
[09:51] <ions> yeah that's true
[09:51] <makia> ok, i got mol working...now i've got a newb question (i haven't played with debian in a while and never commited it to memory)... how do I set what gets started at boot time
[09:51] <ogra> ions: dont mention it then next time, say you got probs with your tv pic ;)
[09:51] <ions> heh
[09:52] <ogra> ions: let them measure !!
[09:52] <ions> I'll go try that out
[09:52] <ions> bbiab
[09:52] <dante_> pardon ... could someone point me to the correct 'registration' page in the official ubuntu site? I see the 'log in' button but can not find an initial 'registration' area.
[09:53] <delire> can anyone give me a european ubuntu mirror for the packages repositories? i can't find any on the site
[09:53] <Mithrandir> delire: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive has a list
[09:54] <ogra> delire: the deafult one is in britain ;)
[09:54] <delire> sure ok
[09:56] <tim> i have a weird problem with sound juicer
[09:56] <tim> it won't let me select mp3 for the output mode
[09:56] <tim> even though i've installed lame
[09:56] <delire> what is the best means of getting around the problem of ubuntu now installing due to their being no floppy on the machine (and thus being unable to load floppy.ko)?
[09:58] <tim> the first time i tried to select mp3, sound juicer complained that no encoder was available. now that i have installed one, it is still greyed out
[09:59] <timothy_> tim -- Ah! You're supposed to choose "ogg."
[09:59] <tim> yeah, but I have an MP player in my car that doesn't play them
[09:59] <timothy_> :)
[09:59] <tim> *MP3
[10:00] <ogra> *g*
[10:00] <tim> i'd use ogg otherwise - I'm all for open technologies!
[10:00] <timothy_> heh. I've started to use MP3s lately, because I like old time radio, which is mostly (nowadays) available as MP3s.
[10:01] <timothy_> Annoying, but I'm still breathing despite their evil influence.
[10:02] <nimc> how do i exit gnome completely to terminal? (not switch with ctrl+alt+fi)
[10:02] <ogra> timothy_: .... wait and see .... late sequelae :)
[10:02] <Keybuk> nimc: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:03] <ogra> nimc: you wont get around doing ctrl+alt+f1 first ;)
[10:03] <Keybuk> ogra: sure you can :p
[10:03] <dante_> pardon ... could someone point me to the correct 'registration' page in the official ubuntu site? I see the 'log in' button but can not find an initial 'registration' area.
[10:03] <ogra> Keybuk: ooohh evil
[10:03] <timothy_> dante_: hold a sec. let me see if I can find it.
[10:03] <nimc> i'll try...
[10:04] <dante_> thanks mate
[10:04] <timothy_> I did at one point, since I registered :)
[10:04] <dante_> I can't seem to locate the darned thing!
[10:07] <timothy_> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/user.cgi?action=new
[10:08] <timothy_> dante, that's the order thing to ask for CDs; however, I *think* that's also the general account creation process.
[10:08] <timothy_> At any rate, that's the only "give name / set password" activity that I've done wrt Ubuntu :)
[10:09] <nimc> hmm it quit gnome, but i had totem running mp3, and it's still playing... i don't see it anymore, how to kill it now?
[10:09] <andril> hello all
[10:09] <makeio> hi, anybody know if madwifi is instaled in ubuntu??, i haven't wireless conectio with my conceptronic c54c
[10:09] <citybird> nimc: can you run top?
[10:10] <nimc> yes
[10:10] <citybird> do you see the totem proccess?
[10:10] <nimc> no
[10:10] <nimc> i also did: ps -ga
[10:10] <citybird> no  idea then
[10:10] <citybird> unless you log out and back in
[10:11] <nimc> hmm what was the command to exit gnome ? /etc/init.d/gdm stop  ? it doesn't work after i came back with startx ?
[10:12] <ogra> nimc: there was sudo in front
[10:12] <ions> ogra: was a cable modem problem - their modem is putting itself in a sleep mode
[10:12] <nimc> yes with sudo, now it says that it's already stopped
[10:12] <tim_> has anyone tried hooking up a network printer with it's own IP and gotten it working? I have an HP 4000N on it's own IP, and I can't get it working with Computer -> SysConfig -> Printing...
[10:12] <ogra> nimc: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:12] <ogra> nimc: to start it again
[10:13] <nimc> ok i started it again, but how to exit gnome again ? when i do stop it just stops it
[10:13] <nimc> it worked and quit gnome the first time i did it...
[10:14] <timothy_> dante_: there's also this, to start a new bugzilla account:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/createaccount.cgi
[10:15] <dante_> ok, does that work on the little 'login' button on the main site??
[10:15] <dante_> I have registered in the wiki site too
[10:15] <ogra> nimc: to resume, you still look at a gnome desktop at the moment ?
[10:16] <nimc> yes
[10:17] <timothy_> dante_: heh, you're making me realize the same thing you're finding -- that there are several un-tied logins available here ...
[10:17] <nimc> the first time it quit to the terminal, i did startx, and now gdm start/stop don't seem to have effect.. they just say starting and stopping the gdm
[10:17] <timothy_> wiki / bugzilla / order CDs ...
[10:17] <dante_> yea!
[10:17] <timothy_> Would be nice if these were all tied :)
[10:17] <dante_> it would at that!
[10:17] <dante_> how does one join one of the 'teams'?
[10:17] <makeio> wifi don't work :(
[10:17] <timothy_> Any login box should have a prominent "create an account" link.
[10:18] <dante_> but ... ubuntu site does not :/
[10:19] <nimc> and i cannot seem to run totem now... even though the mp3 that i kept hearing now ended
[10:19] <ogra> nimc: open a terminal and try: ps ax| grep gdm
[10:20] <nimc> 14118 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep gdm
[10:20] <nimc> that one line returned ^
[10:20] <ogra> nimc: so no gdm is running..... if you want to log out of gnome, just use Computer->logout
[10:21] <nimc> oh now something happened
[10:23] <timothy_> dante_: Yes, that's why I said "should" ;)
[10:23] <timothy_> As in, "I wish it did."
[10:23] <dante_> will ubuntu *really* ship cds to all whorequest them??
[10:23] <dante_> timothy_, agreed!
[10:23] <timothy_> btw, now that I have failed to help, have you figured out the answer and can help me instead? :)
[10:24] <timothy_> dante_: I requested several (last month), and I suspect they will :)
[10:24] <nimc> i had blue screen that complained that X already started
[10:24] <nimc> after i did gdm start
[10:24] <timothy_> I'm going to give some to Mac Users Group, bring some to pop into machines at Best Buy and Comp uSA ...
[10:25] <nimc> and i have in ps ax: 14136 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/gdm
[10:25] <ogra> nimc: ctrl-alt-f7 ??
[10:25] <sabdfl> dante_: yes
[10:26] <nimc> i am at f7 -didnt change it
[10:26] <nimc> gdm stop still does nothing
[10:26] <thisfred> does ubuntu have an ssh server installed standard?
[10:26] <dante_> how will they recoop expense of cd and mail?? Does not make much economic sense.
[10:26] <nimc> isnt there a more normal way to exit gnome? this is messy
[10:26] <__daniel> thisfred: no
[10:26] <thisfred> __daniel: thanks. Which one should I choose, as a relative newbie?
[10:27] <ogra> nimc: Computer->Logout .... is the normal way (i'm still not sure what exactly you want )
[10:27] <__daniel> thisfred: you really need one running?
[10:27] <thisfred> well, i'd like to get to my pc from work
[10:28] <__daniel> thisfred: openssh-server
[10:28] <nimc> ogra, i want to exit gnome completely to terminal, close the gui and have terminal only - it worked the first time i did gdm stop, but after i did startx to come back here, i have problems....
[10:28] <thisfred> thanks!
[10:28] <__daniel> thisfred: de rien
[10:28] <nimc> logout doesn't allow to exit to terminal
[10:28] <nimc> as far as i could see
[10:30] <ogra> nimc: if gdm isn't running logout will drop you to the console, else you get the login screen...according to ps ax your gdm is running, but i suspect if you started with startx and then start gdm by hand there is something wierd.....
[10:31] <nimc> so what is the correct way to exit to terminal ? must do gdm stop and then logout ?
[10:32] <ogra> nimc: on linux it's possible to have more than one graphical screen .... look whats on ctrl-alt-f8
[10:32] <altan> how do I make a NOT and OR statement in a bash command, like rm -rf all that is not MP3 or OGG?
[10:32] <nimc> when i did gdm stop it quit immediatly without allowing me to do logout
[10:33] <nimc> og, ctrl+alt+f8 has blue screen that says that it disables X
[10:33] <joolz> nimc: i just dropped in so correct me if this isn't what you want, but you can get a terminal with ctrl shift f2 etc
[10:33] <ogra> nimc: thats ok (even if its evil to the open apps Keybuk ?)
[10:34] <RageMax> has anyone setup JACK output with gstreamer? I installed the gstreamer-jack packages but I can't seem to figure out how to set it
[10:34] <nimc> it's not what i want... i want to know if there is a good way to exit gnome completely (and not just switch)
[10:35] <ogra> nimc: do you want to get rid of the graphical loginscreen at all ?
[10:35] <joolz> nimc: you could set initlevel to 3 and reboot
[10:35] <ogra> joolz: wont help on deb systems
[10:35] <nimc> not forever.... i just mean, after i'm in gnome, is there a way to exit when i want to, and then come back with startx when i want to come back ?
[10:36] <joolz> ogra: ouch! how does it work then? (i'm used to redhat  / fc)
[10:36] <ogra> joolz: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:36] <nimc> i'm just curious really if it can work... it's not that important if it's not possible
[10:37] <joolz> ogra: and how do i get the system to boot in runlevel 3?
[10:38] <nimc> if i boot in runlevel3 and then do startx and then logout, will it go back to terminal ?
[10:39] <joolz> nimc: it seems to depend if gdm is running... I'm getting a bit homesick for fvwm2 :)
[10:39] <ogra> nimc: stopping gdm is ok, startx is ok too..... the error was to run gdm start while in X
[10:40] <topyli> nimc: debian doesn't work that way, it's always in runlevel 2, the difference is just whether you run gdm or not.
[10:40] <ogra> nimc: if you started with startx it shold drop you back to the console after logout (it gets you always back to where you started ;)
[10:40] <nimc> ogra, i have totem playing mp3 when i did gdm stop, i kept hearing the mp3 while in terminal, and after i came back with startx, and i cannot see the totem process, and cannot start totem now
[10:40] <nimc> all this happened without doing gdm start or anything, just gdm stop the first time
[10:41] <tidalwav> hi room
[10:41] <tidalwav> I have a question
[10:41] <nimc> hmm actually.... i see totem in ps ax
[10:41] <topyli> nimc: kill the totem process
[10:41] <nimc> yes i killed it now
[10:41] <nimc> and can open it again
[10:41] <joolz> indeed: id:2:initdefault: in inittab. That weird... (for me, it is)
[10:41] <ogra> nimc: *g*
[10:42] <tidalwav> does Ubuntu have built-in support for usb prism2 wireless LAN adapters?
[10:42] <Keybuk> joolz: why weird?
[10:42] <nimc> but still, gdm stop seems too shaky.. it leaves the other processes open and i cannot see them when i do startx again...? isn't there a better way?
[10:42] <topyli> joolz: you've been using some weird systems that's all :)
[10:42] <altan> find -name "*.jpg" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 mv /directorygoeshere/  <---- Will that move all JPG files in a dir and its subdirs to /directorygoeshere/ ?
[10:42] <siretart> will hoary support wireless connections via wpa?
[10:42] <joolz> Keybuk: i always thought init 5 was for x, 3 for multi-user etc.
[10:43] <joolz> topyli: i guess that's it
[10:43] <ogra> joolz: in redhat that is ;)
[10:43] <Keybuk> altan: xargs -0 mv --target-directory=/directorygoeshere/
[10:43] <joolz> i have to get used to it, that's all
[10:43] <Keybuk> joolz: that's just an odd RedHatism
[10:43] <joolz> Keybuk: oh, stop it, you crazy debian people :)
[10:43] <Keybuk> Debian just make 2, 3, 4 & 5 identical and let you decide what to do with them
[10:43] <topyli> joolz: you can build your own custom runlevel configurations of course if you want to
[10:44] <joolz> topyli: sure, i have the source, right? :)
[10:44] <topyli> joolz: it's not that hard. just run different stuff at different runlevels
[10:44] <nimc> what exactly does gdm stop closes ? it doesn't close programs that i had running in gnome ?
[10:45] <ThreeDayMonk> I have two graphics cards in my machine, one ati and one nvidia.  I have installed the ati driver, but when I attempt to install nvidia, I get the error: `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver'
[10:45] <topyli> nimc: i guess the totem sound stuff didn't need the x session and kept on going
[10:45] <ogra> nimc: normally it should close all X apps..... but sometimes ....
[10:45] <nimc> ok...
[10:46] <__daniel> ThreeDayMonk: you better file a bug
[10:46] <nimc> and why now i cannot do gdm stop again ?
[10:46] <gruberman> good night
[10:47] <camdenbuzard> hello
[10:47] <topyli> nimc: no idea :)
[10:48] <nimc> it says  * GNOME Display Manager not running
[10:48] <camdenbuzard> I have a few quick questions about ubuntu, does anybody have a few minutes?
[10:48] <nimc> how can it not be running if i'm in gnome ?
[10:48] <wannes> camdenbuzard: go ahead
[10:48] <joolz> camdenbuzard: be quick, they're almost over!
[10:48] <topyli> nimc: gnome-session is running. you don't know if gdm is :)
[10:49] <camdenbuzard> I'm currently running fedora core 2, and I'm thinking of switching to ubuntu, but I'm an avid gamer,
[10:49] <altan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7473 thanks Keybulk, I included that in a howto on Rhythmbox not working
[10:49] <nimc> ps ax | grep gdm  returns nothing...
[10:49] <wannes> camdenbuzard: and ...
[10:49] <camdenbuzard> so I was wondering if ubuntu will support accellerated modes for my new x800 card, and how well gaming in general works with ubuntu
[10:49] <joolz> camdenbuzard: i come from fc2, i'm not sorry about it! but i'm not much of a gamer
[10:49] <ogra> nimc: sounds like it's not running.....
[10:50] <nimc> is it possible to be in gnome without gdm running ?
[10:50] <ogra> nimc: with startx ... yes
[10:50] <nimc> hmmmmm
[10:51] <nimc> the inital boot didnt use startx ?
[10:51] <ogra> nimc: logout should bring you back to the console now
[10:51] <joolz> nimc: this looks enlightening: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=241985
[10:51] <camdenbuzard> also, how well does the apt system work?
[10:51] <wannes> camdenbuzard: very good ...
[10:51] <topyli> camdenbuzard: it works perfectly of course :)
[10:51] <nimc> so, whats the correct way to exit gnome now that i started it with startx ??
[10:51] <nimc> ahhhhh
[10:51] <nimc> sorry
[10:51] <ogra> nimc: only in the background of gdm....and manged by gdm
[10:51] <wannes> not that much packages as in Debian, but i'm a bit spoiled ...
[10:51] <camdenbuzard> I'm a little wary of those systems since I've had portage break my system several times.
[10:51] <camdenbuzard> while working in gentoo
[10:52] <ogra> nimc: Computer->Logout ... klick on ok......
[10:52] <joolz> later guys
[10:52] <nimc> ogra, so, is it possible to boot without gnome, and then use startx and logout when i want ? how to boot that way ?
[10:52] <topyli> camdenbuzard: apt is tried and tested through the years though
[10:52] <nimc> ok i'll try logout now... brb
[10:52] <camdenbuzard> I have exactly 0 experience with it, or with debian in general
[10:53] <ogra> nimc: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[10:54] <camdenbuzard> I guess I'll just have to give it an install and see.
[10:54] <nimc> yes, logout quit to terminal
[10:54] <topyli> camdenbuzard: it's an easy system, just jump in at the deep end
[10:54] <ogra> nimc: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm will stop gdm on boot
[10:54] <nimc> hmm
[10:54] <camdenbuzard> topyli: I guess that's what I'll do.
[10:54] <topyli> nimc: the debian way is update-rc.d or something
[10:54] <camdenbuzard> I have the download at 15% already
[10:54] <nimc> hmm
[10:54] <ogra> topl: wrong
[10:55] <topyli> ogra: i'm sure there was a command to do that :)
[10:55] <nimc> ogra, can i use mv instead of rm ? and mv it back later if i want?
[10:55] <topyli> nimc:  it's just a symlink anyway
[10:55] <nimc> o
[10:56] <camdenbuzard> I've sort of been itching for a good linux experience... I sort of fell out of the loop right around RH9, and I'm just starting to get back into it.
[10:57] <delire> does anyone here know the ubnutu installation process well??
[10:57] <delire> s/ubnutu/ubuntu
[10:58] <ogra> nimc: good question, it's a symlink.....never  tried ... wait a moment...
[10:58] <cardador> delire: just ask your question :)
[10:58] <topyli> camdenbuzard: debian is harder to break. in fact it's a dull system because it always works
[10:58] <delire> nimc: ln -s originfile targetfile
[10:58] <ogra> nimc: yes you can
[10:59] <delire> cardador: the installation is failing on this floppiless laptop because it can't load the floppy module, floppy.ko. what is the best workaround?
[10:59] <nimc> ok i'm going to try to reboot after i moved it..... brb
[10:59] <camdenbuzard> topyli: haha... awesome. I could use a little more boredom in my life.
[10:59] <delire> cardador: is there an expert mode bootflag that would be useful?
[11:00] <delire> jdub: how about you, do you have a good workaround for the floppy.ko no-load problem?
[11:00] <topyli> camdenbuzard: take the deb vacation. you've been to redhat too long
[11:00] <cardador> delire: its better to ask him :)
[11:00] <delire> cardador: well i can certainly work around it myself by insisting that it doesn't load it, but i want to go the default way as much as possible
[11:01] <ogra> topyli: it's used by packages to do automated tasks, links edited with update-rc.d will be overwritten on upgrade
[11:01] <__daniel> delire i added ide-floppy to /etc/modules :-)
[11:01] <stvn> delire: got it installed?
[11:01] <camdenbuzard> topyli: sounds good to me.
[11:01] <camdenbuzard> topyli: D/L is at 20% now.
[11:01] <topyli> ogra: ok, so that's no good. we don't want surprises during upgrades
[11:01] <ogra> topyli: yep ;)
[11:02] <delire> stvn: nope not on one laptop, it doesn't have a floppy so fails on loading the driver into kernelspace
[11:02] <delire> __daniel: yep but that's when the floppy does exist.. no?
[11:03] <delire> i want to go as 'default' as possible.. is there a bootflag i could try?
[11:03] <Eno_> after recompiling the kernel with the linux-source-2.6.8.1 and using nearly the same config, hald tells me "Your kernel does not support capabilites; some features will not be available" .. is that something to worry about?
[11:04] <__daniel> delire: yes, sorry i seem to have got you wrong
[11:04] <delire> i senp
[11:04] <delire> np
[11:05] <nimc> works well... can use startx and logout the way i wanted now...
[11:06] <ogra> nimc: fine....;)
[11:06] <nimc> but no options to restart or shutdown when i do logout
[11:06] <nimc> only ok/cancel
[11:07] <topyli> nimc: that's part of gdm's job i think. you need to use the commands after logging out
[11:07] <ogra> nimc: thats handled by gdm ..... you can do sudo shutdow in the console......
[11:07] <ogra> nimc: or sudo reboot
[11:07] <topyli> heh
[11:07] <ogra> *g*
[11:07] <nimc> ok... gdm not running... according to ps ax
[11:08] <nimc> what is gdm good for ?
[11:08] <ogra> nimc: login/logout starting your session etc...
[11:08] <topyli> nimc: remote sessions too
[11:08] <ogra> nimc: nanaging languages.....
[11:08] <ogra> +m
[11:09] <ogra> +a ;)
[11:09] <nimc> ok...
[11:09] <nimc> is there a way to auto-login to terminal without gdm ?
[11:09] <nimc> on boot
[11:09] <topyli> nimc: probably :)
[11:09] <nimc> heh
[11:10] <camdenbuzard> hey.. x-chat is pretty cool
[11:10] <ogra> nimc: youll break all security, but its possibe ;)
[11:10] <camdenbuzard> this is the first I've used it.
[11:11] <ogra> nimc: in fact anything is possible on linux ;)
[11:11] <topyli> nimc: normally you get a getty/login, you might make init log you in instead but i dunno
[11:11] <nimc> and auto-login with gdm doesnt break security ? it's an option in desktop preferences in menu...
[11:12] <topyli> nimc: it does, but only for x, not remote logins
[11:12] <nimc> ok...
[11:12] <topyli> except remote gdm :)
[11:12] <ogra> nimc: it's handled different .... autologin on the console would require a script and no userpw i guess
[11:13] <SmokingFire> gparted is sexy, it should be included with ubuntu http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_4_big.jpg
[11:13] <nimc> well it's not important... i'm happy as it is
[11:13] <Bentley> hi all - is anyone here using gdesklets from the ubuntu repository?
[11:13] <altan> what firewall do you guys recommend? I searched Synaptic for "firewall", and Shorewall seems to be the only option, how's that?
[11:13] <altan> it's iptables-based, fyi
[11:14] <ogra> altan: you dont need one ;)
[11:14] <ogra> altan: everything is closed by default
[11:14] <altan> hmm, okay
[11:14] <altan> you're sure I don't need one?
[11:15] <ogra> altan: except you installed any servers explicitly
[11:15] <ogra> altan: which could open ports
[11:15] <tim> shorewall is great if you do need it
[11:15] <SmokingFire> ogra: closed by default also means like the nat in my router where the outside world doesn't know my box exists?
[11:15] <altan> nope, I haven't installed any servers
[11:16] <nimc> if everything is closed then how stuff like bittorrent works without problems by default ?
[11:16] <tim> check out the examples at shorewall.net
[11:16] <camdenbuzard> smokingfire: oooohh... pretty
[11:16] <topyli> altan: no firestarter? i guess it's in universe
[11:16] <ogra> SmokingFire: you can ping it, but thats all
[11:16] <SmokingFire> ogra: as my nat doesn't respond to pings
[11:17] <ogra> nimc: i'd consider bittorrent a server process ;)
[11:17] <camdenbuzard> ogra: I'd second that
[11:17] <SmokingFire> isn't bittorent over http?
[11:17] <nimc> hmm so it opens ports by itself ?
[11:17] <ogra> SmokingFire: does it offer files/access ?
[11:18] <SmokingFire> I think software on unbuntu opens ports by it self, anyhow it will then respond to requests on that port
[11:18] <nimc> its not over http i think... only searching by http
[11:18] <SmokingFire> ogra: no, then I would need to open some ports
[11:19] <ogra> SmokingFire: thats what bittorrent does for you ;)
[11:19] <nimc> so if i use bittorrent etc then it's recommended that i also use a firewall ?
[11:19] <SmokingFire> ogra: bittorrent wouldn't work to great on my box, I think.
[11:19] <ogra> nimc: what for ? to stop bittorent from working ?
[11:19] <ogra> nimc: everything else would still be closed ;)
[11:20] <topyli> hehe
[11:20] <SmokingFire> nimc: as far as I know if there is an exploit in bittorrent then having a firewall will not do much from getting your box hacked.
[11:20] <jdz`> there are no seeds for the warty-live-i386.iso right now
[11:20] <nimc> ok....
[11:20] <ogra> nimc: so you could only block torrent itself...which would be silly as you can just stop it
[11:21] <SmokingFire> nimc: just use a firewall and open and close ports as you need them. Thats the best
[11:21] <Tenniru> Um... I have a question regarding mplayer. Namely, I did make-install after configure GUI. It compiled a binary in the folder instead of a BIN folder.
[11:21] <Tenniru> Where does apt-get want the mplayer files so I can install those other things on Synaptic File Manager that want mplayer?
[11:22] <ogra> Tenniru: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:22] <SmokingFire> in the universe repository perhaps?
[11:22] <Tenniru> I wish universe/multiverse/whatever had mplayer.
[11:22] <Tenniru> I also have a .deb file for it but no idea how to install...
[11:22] <Tenniru> Same with the Opera browser.
[11:23] <SmokingFire> Did you try the maurilet repisistory?
[11:23] <topyli> Tenniru: get it from the marillat debian repository
[11:23] <ogra> Tenniru: try this http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:23] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[11:23] <nimc> i did apt-get for mplayer from somewhere but it didnt work well... totem/xine works good
[11:23] <Matt|> hi there. At the moment i am bringing up my wireless network card by running a script located in my home folder. I would like to get this script to run at startup. i've tried making a symbolic link in my /etc/rcS.d folder but it doesn't work because all the paths in the script are relative to other files found in the home directory. Can anyone help me with this?? would really appreciate it! :)
[11:23] <jind> Can anybody here give me a example how to use mkinitrd right when making the initrd of a 2.6.9 kernel?
[11:23] <nimc> except no sound for most quicktime formats
[11:23] <jind> Would be greatly appriciated
[11:24] <Matt|> jind i can try
[11:24] <topyli> nimc: yeah, mplayer has given me trouble too on ubuntu
[11:24] <SmokingFire> add this to your sources.list:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:24] <jind> Matt|, yeah. Thank you
[11:24] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[11:24] <Matt|> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9
[11:24] <jind> So easy? :)
[11:24] <Matt|> hope so :)
[11:24] <Tenniru> Uh... as "src" or whatever?
[11:24] <jind> Alright
[11:24] <Matt|> see what it says
[11:24] <jind> Thanks!
[11:24] <SmokingFire> Tenniru and nimc then also download win32codecs
[11:25] <nimc> i downloaded the mplayer win32 codecs package... works good in totem/xine - except for sound for quicktime
[11:25] <jind> Matt|, it isn't quite finished to compile yet
[11:25] <nimc> anyone has sound in quicktime formats ?
[11:25] <Matt|> can anyone help me with the problem I just posted regarding getting up my wireless network at boot???
[11:25] <jind> But I'll try first thing after
[11:25] <Matt|> jind, kewl
[11:26] <Matt|> jind, better have a read of the man page just in case. I'm pretty sure it gives examples
[11:26] <SmokingFire> nimc: I can't say as I haven't really tried .mov but the (2 or 3) movie trailers I downloaded (wget) and played worked.
[11:26] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I've got totem-xine and muine playing at the same time, but if I have one thing playing the IM sounds stop working.  How can I fix this?
[11:27] <nimc> SmokingFire, do u know which sound format they used?
[11:27] <Tenniru> Uh... I can't find mplayer on that server I was just given.
[11:27] <jind> I will, but the man pages are often hard to understand due to their detailed and technical nature :)
[11:27] <crimsun> ficusplanet: dmix, see the alsa wiki
[11:27] <Matt|> Tenniru, it's on there alright
[11:27] <nimc> is there a good way to get sound from multiple sources to play at the same time?
[11:27] <SmokingFire> nimc: no, didn't pay attention. But I always get the package gstreamer0.0-mad
[11:27] <ogra> Tenniru: try this http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats ?? scroll down.....
[11:27] <SmokingFire> 0,8
[11:27] <crimsun> nimc: dmix, see the alsa wiki
[11:27] <Tenniru> What am I looking for there?
[11:27] <Matt|> ogra, i wanna know how many times you have posted that link in the last week :) it must be the most requested info lol
[11:28] <crimsun> (http://alsa.opensrc.org/)
[11:28] <ogra> Tenniru: last section
[11:28] <ogra> Matt|: lol
[11:28] <nimc> thanks, i'll look... does it work good? i read somewhere that linux gives better sound quality when not using multiple sources ?
[11:28] <Tenniru> The URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ for this repository, correct?
[11:28] <ogra> Matt|: i actually got a vi window open with the handfull of links by default....
[11:28] <Tenniru> The type is "Binary(deb)"?
[11:29] <crimsun> nimc: works fine for me
[11:29] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Thanks.
[11:29] <crimsun> nimc: YMMV
[11:29] <nimc> ok...
[11:29] <ogra> Tenniru: right
[11:29] <topyli> Tenniru: yes
[11:29] <Matt|> ogra, can you recommend your favourite cd ripper to me?
[11:29] <Tenniru> Distribution? Do I leave that empty?
[11:29] <topyli> Tenniru: i think it's main
[11:29] <ogra> Tenniru: testing
[11:30] <Matt|> Tenniru, add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[11:30] <Matt|> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:30] <Tenniru> Section is Testing Main?
[11:30] <ogra> Tenniru: section is testing
[11:30] <Matt|> if you add the line, i guarantee it will work
[11:30] <topyli> Matt|: Tenniru: yeah, i guess unstable times are past now for warty
[11:30] <ogra> Tenniru: distribution is main
[11:31] <nimc> crimsun,  i should look here? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:31] <Tenniru> Right.
[11:31] <Matt|> hi there. At the moment i am bringing up my wireless network card by running a script located in my home folder. I would like to get this script to run at startup. i've tried making a symbolic link in my /etc/rcS.d folder but it doesn't work because all the paths in the script are relative to other files found in the home directory. Can anyone help me with this?? would really appreciate it! :)
[11:31] <ogra> Tenniru: argh... the other way around...sorry my mistake
[11:31] <ogra> Tenniru: distribution is testing
[11:31] <ogra> Tenniru: section is main
[11:31] <ogra> Tenniru: for synaptic
[11:32] <Matt|> ogra, can you recommend your favourite cd ripper to me?
[11:32] <Tenniru> Right.
[11:32] <leorme> Matt|: mine is abcde (console app). excellent.
[11:32] <Tenniru> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[11:33] <ogra> Matt|: i dont rip cds ;) but i'd take sound juicer if youre not addicted to mp3
[11:33] <Tenniru> Um... yeah.
[11:33] <ogra> Tenniru: refresh
[11:33] <Matt|> ogra, fraid i need mp3 :(
[11:33] <SmokingFire> as far as I know there is grip and soundjuicer Matt|
[11:33] <Matt|> leorme, sounds good but I like shine ;)
[11:33] <ogra> Tenniru: or apt-get update .....
[11:33] <Matt|> ok grip it is then
[11:33] <Matt|> thanks SmokingFire
[11:33] <Matt|> anyone can help with the wireless network problem???
[11:33] <Tenniru> Same thing just happened.
[11:33] <Tenniru> I reloaded the thing, got the same message.
[11:34] <SmokingFire> Matt|: grip is in universe i think
[11:34] <ogra> Matt|: there is a way to rip mp3 with SJ, i just dunno how
[11:34] <Matt|> SmokingFire, yep got it already
[11:34] <crimsun> nimc: yep
[11:34] <Matt|> ogra, gives me the message that the codec is not installed
[11:34] <Matt|> but grip is fine i'm sure
[11:34] <leorme> ogra: you have to install gstreamer-lame
[11:34] <ogra> Tenniru: ahh, ppc..... wait a sec
[11:35] <SmokingFire> soundjuicer would be cool if it could do custom quality settings and rip and play at the same time.
[11:35] <topyli> Matt|: i guess you could 1) fix the script to point to the correct locations, or 2) make a symlink in /etc/rc.d that points to your real script
[11:35] <Tenniru> Yeah, I'm an iBook user. I'd be on MacOS X like my G4 is if not for X's slowness on this G3.
[11:35] <oddabe19> woot xchat 2.4 deb built
[11:35] <Matt|> topyli, i tried the second option right?
[11:35] <oddabe19> i'm so proud of myself :-P
[11:35] <ogra> Tenniru: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[11:35] <Acridien> re
[11:35] <Matt|> topyli, the first one is difficult because the script is long and I am quite b00b
[11:35] <Tenniru> What about it?
[11:35] <nimc> crimsun, where is ~/.asoundrc in ubuntu ?
[11:36] <Tenniru> Where do I put this URL?
[11:36] <Acridien> I have sound disabled in my session
[11:36] <ogra> Tenniru: in your browser ;)
[11:36] <Acridien> where is the tool to switch it on ?
[11:36] <Tenniru> Oh yeah...
[11:36] <topyli> Matt|: oh.
[11:36] <topyli> hmm
[11:36] <Tenniru> Hey, how do I make X-Chat open a link in Firefox?
[11:36] <Matt|> topyli, i tried to make a link in rcS.d
[11:36] <Matt|> Tenniru, right click the link
[11:36] <Tenniru> Okay
[11:37] <ogra> Tenniru: right click.....mozilla....open in new.....
[11:37] <crimsun> nimc: the same place it is in any other distro
[11:37] <crimsun> nimc: note the "~" ;-)
[11:37] <Acridien> oddabe19: :-)
[11:38] <Matt|> topyli, i kinda figured the link would be ok as the script is in the right place... but apparently not :(
[11:38] <Tenniru> Kay, I have the URL. Still in testing-main?
[11:38] <nimc> crimsun, i don't have it... hmmmmm?
[11:38] <topyli> Matt|: that's what i thought too, but read your question poorly :(
[11:38] <Matt|> topyli, np i'm pleased that someone answered!!
[11:38] <oddabe19> Acridien, i have to do a dance... do you know how hard it was to find all the friken dependencies to build that baby
[11:38] <oddabe19> :-P
[11:38] <crimsun> nimc: create one. There are many examples on that wiki.
[11:39] <ogra> Tenniru: dist = unstable, sections = main contrib non-free
[11:39] <nimc> how do i actually know that i have alsa installed ? ubuntu always installs it ?
[11:39] <Tenniru> Right
[11:39] <jacob> Q: Does the packages in warty-universe ever get updated ?
[11:39] <topyli> Matt|: so what excactly do you get when you run /etc/rcS.d/your-script?
[11:39] <oddabe19> nimc, yes
[11:39] <Matt|> a weird question: does anyone know what a good character set is for np3 file names so that accented characters don't get distorted on an ipod? I am ripping to utf-8 but it goes all weird ;)
[11:39] <ogra> jacob: only security
[11:39] <Matt|> topyli, i get the error that files are not found
[11:39] <ogra> jacob: updates
[11:40] <nimc> ok...
[11:40] <Matt|> topyli, the files referred to in the script are like "../../file"
[11:40] <jacob> ogra, ok, so universe is just a freeze copy of the current state when warty was released, and will never have updated packages (new versions that is) ?
[11:40] <ogra> Matt|: mybe because ubuntu isnt utf8
[11:40] <Matt|> ogra, ok cool. So what should I put?
[11:41] <Tenniru> I'm getting not-founds.
[11:41] <__daniel> ogra: hm?
[11:41] <ogra> Matt|: dpkg-reconfigure locale
[11:41] <Matt|> ogra, what does that do?
[11:41] <__daniel> just    dpkg-reconfigure locales    and you're one step closer to utf-8
[11:41] <ogra> Matt|: or locales , i'm not sure
[11:41] <Matt|> __daniel, ogra, ooooh
[11:41] <Tenniru> Uh... the URL I want if I'm a G3 user is dttp://apt.cerkinfo.be/g3, right?
[11:42] <ogra> http
[11:42] <Tenniru> Yeah... I meant that.
[11:42] <ogra> Tenniru: and dist = ./
[11:42] <Tenniru> But I put that in. Still broken.
[11:42] <Tenniru> The dist is just "./"?
[11:42] <ogra> Tenniru: section left empty
[11:42] <Tenniru> Oh
[11:42] <ogra> Tenniru: yep
[11:43] <Matt|> __daniel, ogra, which locales should I generate do you know? a number of em are utf
[11:43] <Tenniru> Yay! It's... not there...?
[11:43] <ogra> Matt|: i'd take de_DE@UTF-8 *g*
[11:43] <Matt|> being german?
[11:43] <Tenniru> Wait... what...
[11:43] <Tenniru> Stand by.
[11:44] <ogra> Matt|: but that wont help if youre not german
[11:44] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Do you have a .asoundrc I could use?  I found the stuff on dmix, but I still can't get the sound working correctly?
[11:44] <Matt|> ogra, en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 then i guess ;)
[11:44] <crimsun> ficusplanet: choose a simple one from the alsamixing page
[11:44] <Matt|> ogra, do you recommend i set that as default?
[11:44] <Tenniru> Right. I have the URL (I'm in Synaptic Package Manager). Dist is empty.
[11:44] <Tenniru> What do I put for section(s)?
[11:45] <ogra> Matt|: you can, but there are still smoe minor bugs..... bash i think
[11:45] <ogra> Tenniru: nothing
[11:45] <Tenniru> Right.
[11:45] <Tenniru> Nothing in those boxes at all.
[11:45] <Tenniru> Not even a ./.
[11:45] <Matt|> ogra, hmm. if i don't set to default, do you think it will still solve the mp3 tag problem?
[11:46] <Tenniru> I put it in, but...
[11:46] <Tenniru> It seems the thing disappears when I hit refresh.
[11:47] <ogra> Matt|: if you encode now in utf your sys doesnt know how to handle this....if it's capable of utf its more likely to work
[11:47] <__daniel> ogra: what bash things are you talking about?
[11:47] <ogra> __daniel: dunno, pitty said this
[11:47] <__daniel> ogra: hm, i use de_DE.UFT-8 as locale for more than a year now, and i'm particularly fine :-)
[11:48] <Matt|> ogra, i guess if it doesn't work i can set grip to tag the mp3's with ISO
[11:48] <__daniel> ogra, Matt|: although i go on other people's nerves when i tell them that gaim doesnt understand the ---iso-stuff they tell me :-)
[11:49] <ogra> __daniel: me too, but there is a reason they not included it in warty
[11:49] <Tenniru> Hey, is the iBook sleep problem fixed in the latest Ubuntu thing?
[11:50] <ogra> Tenniru: so try the ./ in sections
[11:50] <Tenniru> k
[11:51] <rosswalda> I need help!
[11:51] <rosswalda>  Basically the entire display is shifted to the left! So the far left of the desktop actually appears on the right side of my display
[11:51] <rosswalda> ??
[11:51] <camdenbuzard> download..... so slow! only 56%
[11:51] <camdenbuzard> I have to wait a whole hour!
[11:51] <ogra> rosswalda: ubuntu-de ?
[11:51] <tcd123> I just installed ubuntu and am having trouble configuring my printer.  I have an Epson Stylus C82.  The software detects it, but when I go to the list of printer drivers under Epson, there is none for Stylus C82.  Any ideas?
[11:51] <rosswalda> what is that?
[11:52] <rosswalda> german?
[11:52] <ogra> the german channel
[11:52] <rosswalda> what about it
[11:52] <rosswalda> they can help me?
[11:52] <stvn> rosswalda: try the settings of your monitor
[11:52] <rosswalda> its a laptop
[11:52] <rosswalda> :(
[11:52] <rosswalda> sorry
[11:52] <rosswalda> forget to mention
[11:52] <rosswalda> sony vaio
[11:52] <rosswalda> 650 with intel vid card
[11:52] <stvn> oh hm
[11:53] <ogra> rosswalda: older one....
[11:53] <GotD0t> you're probably using the wrong res + refresh rate settings
[11:53] <rosswalda> its just like the entire thing was shifted left
[11:53] <Matt|> hi there. At the moment i am bringing up my wireless network card by running a script located in my home folder. I would like to get this script to run at startup. i've tried making a symbolic link in my /etc/rcS.d folder but it doesn't work because all the paths in the script are relative to other files found in the home directory. Can anyone help me with this?? would really appreciate it! :)
[11:53] <rosswalda> i cant see the menus to change it tho :(
[11:53] <rosswalda> they are off the screen
[11:53] <rosswalda> I can barely see the run command
[11:53] <rosswalda> so if you can tell me what to run
[11:53] <ogra> rosswalda: you can use xvidtune to adjust, but it wont be permanent
[11:53] <Tenniru> When I put in ./...
[11:53] <Tenniru> Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (Absolute dist)
[11:53] <Tenniru> Is what I got from the thing.
[11:54] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[11:54] <ogra> Tenniru: damned.....
[11:54] <GotD0t> rosswalda: try going into a termina and try "gnome-display-properties"
[11:54] <ogra> Tenniru: try only the dot.....in either one
[11:54] <delire> hmm.. i got past the no floppy installation problem and now another one.
[11:55] <delire> in the package installation process it gets to installing bsdutils, and fails.. terminally. any ideas?????
[11:55] <Tenniru> That just game a broken thingy.
[11:55] <rosswalda> xvid tune isnt helping
[11:55] <Tenniru> Broken... not found.
[11:55] <tcd123> later too
[11:55] <ogra> rosswalda: why ?
[11:55] <GotD0t> rosswalda: try going into a termina and try "gnome-display-properties"
[11:55] <delire> has anyone else has this bsdutils error???
[11:56] <rosswalda> holy shit!
[11:56] <rosswalda> awesome
[11:56] <GotD0t> ;-)
[11:56] <rosswalda> thanks so much
[11:56] <rosswalda> it can only run in 1024
[11:56] <rosswalda> but whatevr
[11:56] <rosswalda> all the other runs go off the screen
[11:56] <GotD0t> then thats your screens max res
[11:56] <rosswalda> is there any way to fix that, or can i only display one res
[11:56] <rosswalda> right
[11:56] <rosswalda> but when i go lower
[11:57] <rosswalda> it is offcenter still, but this time to the right
[11:57] <Dekkard> delire : dood(?) i think youve talked me into that asus lappy...
[11:57] <rosswalda> is that normal
[11:57] <rosswalda> or no
[11:57] <delire> the lappie is fantastic. using it now
[11:58] <will> evening people, how do you make a ubuntu boot disk? (floppy?)
[11:58] <Tenniru> This is just not my day...
[11:58] <GotD0t> well the video drivers *should* be able to handle the other resolutions... but only by shrinking or stretching the image
[11:58] <ogra> Tenniru: well sort this out....
[11:58] <GotD0t> rosswalda: but thats not alwasy the case
[11:59] <rosswalda> hmmm
[11:59] <Tenniru> First, the latest Ubuntu thing STILL doesn't fix sleep. Second, mplayer has declared a vendetta against me.
[11:59] <rosswalda> its just weird that it only 'fits' propler in 1024
[11:59] <Tenniru> Okay, so I can go with xine.
[11:59] <ogra> Tenniru: download it manually: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/g3/mplayer-g3/mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.3g3_powerpc.deb
[11:59] <Tenniru> Then what do I do with it?
[11:59] <Tenniru> The .deb?
[12:00] <ogra> Tenniru: i'll help you then...