TenniruGot it.12:01
TenniruI'm also going to attempt installing the Opera deb, as Firefox doesn't work for me.12:01
ograTenniru: drop it in your home folder12:01
ograTenniru: open a terminal12:01
ograTenniru: if you like, both is fine12:02
ograTenniru: so root term ?12:03
ograTenniru: ok type: dpkg -i mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.3g3_powerpc.deb12:03
willany one know how to make a ubuntu boot floppy?12:03
ograTenniru: copy n paste is your friend ;)12:03
TenniruOr tab completion.12:04
ograTenniru: yes ;)12:04
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makiahas anyone gotten psi to work with SSL on ubuntu?12:10
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LinuxJoneswill, look @ the man page for mkboot. I don't think that it will work because the 2.6 kernel is rather large but give it a try and see what happens :)12:10
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willlinuxjones: thanks is it on the ubuntu website?12:11
LinuxJoneswill, in console type man mkboot12:12
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LinuxJoneswill, Even better would be to download the Ubuntu Live CD and use that as a recovery tool ;)12:13
schweebsorry... mouse freaked out there12:14
willlinuxjones: its for my laptop, that cant boot off a CD12:14
LinuxJoneswill, ahh12:15
schweebif your laptop can do PXE boot, you could set that up... there's guides on debian.org12:15
willschweeb:will have a look12:15
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willgoodnight ppl!12:15
TenniruGeh! The package is BROKEN!12:16
TenniruI'll just use xine.12:16
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ograTenniru: ok, thats weird.....you should uninstall it with: dpkg -r mplayer12:17
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ThreeDayMonkI edited my XF86Config file and broke it :-)  I get a nice ascii-graphics error message to tell me this, but the detailed X server output is just a generic message.  Can I get a detailed description anywhere?12:20
ThreeDayMonknever mind; I found the problem12:22
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nullboyHey all, quick question:  I'm running debian testing.  Can I just change my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade to get ubuntu or do I have to install from cd?12:25
jdubnullboy: you can, but it's not recommended12:25
ogranullboy: only woody: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes12:25
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LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, >> cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log12:26
ThreeDayMonkLinuxJones: ah, thanks; that's what I couldn't remember12:26
LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, ;)12:26
ThreeDayMonkI'm trying to get my triple-monitor setup working :-)12:26
ThreeDayMonkI've got two out of three so far - the PCI ATI card is OK, and the left screen on the nVidia dual-head is working12:27
ThreeDayMonkcan't get the right one up though :-(12:27
LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, you have 3 monitors ? I have 1 that is total crap :D12:27
ThreeDayMonkLinuxJones: yeah - just got it toda12:27
LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, nice12:28
nullboy Ok, I'll check out that URL.  Thanks guys.12:28
ThreeDayMonkI had a totally crap computer before, but a nice 17" panel, and the replacement computer came with 2 more, so I bought a second PCI video card for the full three-monitor Matrix effect :-)12:28
stvnnullboy: if you are comfortable with version selection in aptitude, you can upgrade from testing12:29
ThreeDayMonkactually, is anyone else using an nVidia dual-head card?12:29
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socommThreeDayMonk: r0x0r3d O.o12:29
LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, I want a photo of that when you get it up and running :)12:29
stvnnullboy: it's quite some work to get all the dependencies right for ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop, but other than that, it runs fine12:29
devolveanyone successfully installed ubuntu onto a SATA drive?12:30
ThreeDayMonkLinuxJones: sure - just help me configure this last monitor :-)12:30
socommThreeDayMonk: I've tried getting my tv out + monitor going with my nVdia card does that count?12:30
jdubdevolve: yeah12:30
ThreeDayMonksocomm: I think so12:30
LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, like I said I have 1 monitor and that's enough for me to handle :D12:30
ThreeDayMonksocomm: you have it working, then?12:31
ThreeDayMonkusing the nvidia driver?12:31
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LinuxJonesThreeDayMonk, when you get it working you should write a HowTo and put it on the Wiki.12:31
ThreeDayMonkI will12:31
kapputuhi folks12:31
ThreeDayMonk...when the Wiki is ported12:31
LinuxJoneskapputu, hi12:31
ograkapputu: hi12:31
kapputujust when I was extolling the coolness of ubuntu to everyone, it disappointed me12:31
devolvejdub: did it show up when you were editing the partition table?12:32
jdubdevolve: yeah12:32
socommThreeDayMonk: nope, you can only get tvout with the nvidia driver. The nv driver does not support that.12:32
kapputuhi ogra, LinuxJones12:32
jdubdevolve: what sata chipset do you have?12:32
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kapputuyesterday night, my battery died out and my machine restarted12:32
devolvejdub: Nforce3 250mb12:32
socommThreeDayMonk: Go through nVidia's README, it should be explained there how to get things going.12:32
ThreeDayMonksocomm: yeah - the nv driver doesn't do dual, either, so I'm using the commercial driver12:32
kapputudid a disk check and booted again12:32
kapputuwithout sound !!12:32
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socommThreeDayMonk: good luck.12:32
kapputumy sound card shows up under device manager12:32
ThreeDayMonksocomm: thanks - is that README on line or somewhere on my disk?12:32
kapputubut when I started alsa, it says no soundcards12:33
jdubdevolve: you might want to try dropping to a console (alt-f2) and doing a modprobe sata_nv12:33
kappututhis is weird12:33
devolvejdub: not sure this isn't a hardware configuration issue not related to os...12:33
kapputuany ideas guys ?12:33
ograkapputu: volome-control works ?12:33
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socommThreeDayMonk: should be in your /usr/share/docs/nvidia or something12:33
ograkapputu: whats the error ?12:33
kapputuno sound12:33
socommThreeDayMonk: and of course it's online, should be on the same page when you downloaded the drivers off the nvidia site.12:33
devolvejdub: cannot install os yet.  only free drive is sata.  all others ntfs with data I eventally want on them...12:33
ograkapputu: if you use vol-contr. do you get an error ?12:33
kapputubut it gets back to zero12:34
ThreeDayMonksocomm: I just installed the package using apt-get, so I never saw the page; that's why I was asking12:34
socommThreeDayMonk: I'll try to get you a link give me a sec.12:34
ograkapputu: everything unmuted ?12:34
jdubdevolve: when the installer boots, jump to a console...12:34
kapputubaah i convinced my manager today to switch to ubuntu12:34
kapputuand i come back and see this12:35
kapputui cannot increase sound12:35
ograkapputu: does lsmod|grep mixer give any output in a terminal ?12:35
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socommkapputu: you'll need to change permissions to your /dev/dsp12:35
devolvejdub: gotcha12:36
kappututhere is no dsp under dev12:36
ograkapputu: try: sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss12:36
ograkapputu: and: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss12:36
socommkapputu: /.dev ?12:36
AcridienI can't load an usb device12:36
socommThreeDayMonk: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/README.txt12:42
Acridienit just detects it12:42
EchramathEr, could somebody tell me what the "custom" actually means in mplayer-custom?12:42
devolvejdub: modprobe sata_nv <enter>    does nothing.  I get a # again..12:42
jdubdevolve: that's good12:42
Acridienbut no information about the device name or driver12:42
jdubdevolve: now go through the rest of the process12:42
jdubKamion: dude?12:42
socommThreeDayMonk: There's a section on dual monitors there, If I recall correctly.12:42
kapputuok i did the modprobes12:42
kapputusocomm, i have a dsp under .dev12:42
kapputuand dsp0, dsp1, dsp212:42
socommkapputu: that should be it.12:42
ograkapputu: dont touch .dev12:42
ThreeDayMonksocomm: yeah - found it; thanks12:42
socommls -l dsp012:42
ograkapputu: look at you vol-control12:42
kapputucrw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-10-21 17:39 dsp012:42
kapputui did Ohmer12:42
kapputui did ogra12:42
kapputui can't increase the volume12:42
kapputui mean i can't even open volume control12:42
kapputuno mixer elements or devices found12:42
ograkapputu: log out and in again, the modules should have solved it12:42
socommkapputu: chmod 777 /.dev/dsp012:42
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socommkapputu: though that's a bit off a security risk.12:42
devolvejdub: it does not show up under partition disks... I get ide1 master/slave, and ide5 master... all ntfs partitions.  have new shiny spanking wd200gb SATA hooked up to SATA3 in there.12:42
kapputusocomm, i'll do what ogra said for now and if it doesn't work i'll follow what you said12:42
kapputui hope you understand12:42
jdubdevolve: ok, one sec12:42
kapputuhope to be back with good news guys12:42
jdubKamion: ping12:42
devolvejdub: I see nothing about said drive in post.  That could be my problem.12:42
jdubdevolve: aha12:42
jdubmake sure the sata interface is enabled, etc12:42
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jdubit's there for safety12:42
ograjdub: not here12:42
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ograjdub: at least not in ~12:42
sysopJust finished installing Ubuntu 15 minutes ago. Great OS! Works perfectly.12:42
delirehas anyone else has problems installing at the point of bsdutils and nautilus???12:42
ograsysop: nice to hear12:42
Kamionjdub: hmm?12:42
LinuxJonessysop, it is very impressive isn't it :)12:43
delirei can't install ubuntu it seems sadly. i've tried 7 cd's all have failed at these points12:58
sysopvery impressive...clean, simple, easy to use and install12:58
jdubKamion: ideas on devolve's sata_nv stuff? only solutions i've heard is loading the driver12:58
jdubKamion: might be a bios config issue though12:58
Kamionnot offhand, if that's actually the correct driver?12:58
jdubyeah, it's nforce312:58
delirei really can't go on burning more cd's, so i'll go with good old debian..12:58
Kamionthere've been a few SATA issues solved by BIOS tweaking12:58
Kamiondelire: sounds like you're burning at too high a speed; those files are correct in the ISO12:58
ogradelire: did you burn at _very_ low speed ? and checked the md5 sums ?12:58
delireKamion: i'm burning at 2 times12:58
Kamiondelire: try going back to the main menu and running the verification check12:58
delireKamion: ok12:58
Kamionthere seem to be a lot of unreliable burners out there12:58
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ograseems like, odd12:58
delireKamion: but the debian CD's work fine12:58
Kamiondelire: the Ubuntu CDs have worked fine for a lot of people too12:58
Kamionyou could wait for pressed CDs ...12:58
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delireKamion: i can't no time. i fly to norway in the morning to give a conference.12:58
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ThreeDayMonktriple-screen xinerama desktop12:58
Acridienogra: how to use usb memory stick with ubuntu ?12:58
kapputuok ogra, your suggestion din't work12:58
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delireKamion: thanks anyway! the debian CD's worked so i'll run with those12:58
Kamiondelire: sorry, but it *is* a classic symptom of bad CD :(12:58
KamionI'm not sure why it tends to fail in the base system and not beforehand12:58
Kamionmaybe we just get less clear reports in the latter case12:58
LinuxJonesdelire, your md5 checksum is ok on the .iso you downloaded ?12:58
delireKamion: quite possibly..12:58
ograKamion: if your german can cope with it: http://www.deppenleerzeichen.de/ ;)12:58
delireLinuxJones: yep that's fine12:58
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devolvejdub: sata3+4 are enabled, will try enabling sata3/sata4 dma transfer... I know this is a little off topic...12:58
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jdubdevolve: no, it's an install issue ;)12:58
kapputui want to fix this thing so that I can gloat as to how Ubuntu is a good distro12:58
stvndelire: stop by in .nl and you can get a nicely working cd ;)12:58
ograkapputu: what kind of aoundcard12:58
Acridienogra: I can't make my usb memory stick to functional state12:58
delirestvn: hehe maybe in march ;)12:58
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kapputuess allegro laptop12:58
delirestvn: for now good ol' debian. maybe with my next lappie12:58
socommkapputu: did you try chmoding your /.dev/dsp0?12:58
stvndelire: debian is good anyway ;)12:58
kapputuno was it chmod 777 ?12:58
delirestvn: i've been happy with it for 4 years12:58
socommkapputu: yeah, or 77012:58
ograAcridien: hmm, type dmesg |tail -10 in a terminal and look for usb messages after plugging in12:58
delirestvn: just not good when you need a working system ina n hour ;)12:58
kapputuok then ?12:58
Acridienogra: what is dmesg already ?12:58
stvndelire: me too, this box has been running debian for at least 4 years without reinstall12:58
Kamionogra: heh, I can make out enough to be amused12:58
socommkapputu: try that and then run aumix12:58
ograKamion: *g*12:58
stvndelire: true, must say ubuntu solved that problem for me12:58
ThreeDayMonkAcridien: shows you the kernel messages - the ones that scroll by when booting12:58
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kapputucannot find aumix12:58
AcridienThreeDayMonk: tx12:58
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socommapt-get install aumix12:58
kapputuyep i'm doing that12:58
ograkapputu: its an driver issue, else youd see dsp in /dev12:58
LinuxJonesdelire, you should have a backup image of your system @ all times :)12:58
kapputuwell it worked before12:58
kapputuI'd hate to install Ubuntu again12:58
ograAcridien: shows your system messages12:58
delireLinuxJones: ?12:58
kapputuaumix - error opening mixer12:58
ograkapputu: so lets sort it out12:58
socommkapputu: same thing happens on my brothers login, I just change the permissions on dsp and everything is kosher12:58
delireLinuxJones: with debian? no.. not on my 5 machines12:58
socommkapputu: minus the gnome-applet12:58
kapputusure socomm12:58
Acridienogra: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...12:58
Acridienusbcore: registered new driver usb-storage12:58
AcridienUSB Mass Storage support registered.12:58
Acridienusb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 612:58
Acridienusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 812:58
kapputuhmm minus ??12:58
Acridienogra: nothing more12:58
socommThe little speaker on your panel won't work.12:58
ograkapputu: what kind of soundcard ?12:58
LinuxJonesdelire, for quick emergency type situations you should have a backup of your system that can easily be restored in like 15 mins :)12:58
ograAcridien: so your device is there, thats good....12:58
kapputupci, ess1988 allegro12:58
socommogra his soundcard works. It's just that something is fscked.12:58
RubenVanyone knows what you have to do if your firefox quick searches are gone?12:58
Acridienogra: yeah but i don't know how to locate it in the fs12:58
socommkapputu: have you tried running esd?12:58
RubenVi can't use the google box anymore12:58
Acridienogra: and write on it12:58
kapputuesd - /dev/dsp : no such file or directory12:58
ograAcridien: it should mount automagically.....12:58
socommRubenV: what to do? commit suicide. :^P12:58
Acridienogra: where12:58
delireLinuxJones: these are two brand new laptops. sadly the cd's i burnt for ubuntu have bad lines so no go for tonight.12:58
socommkapputu: ln -s /.dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp12:58
socommkapputu: as root12:58
ograAcridien: on your desktop :(12:58
socommRubenV: something probably fscked with your chrome configuration.12:58
socommkapputu: does esd work now?12:58
kapputusame error12:58
LinuxJonesdelire, that is just bad luck :(12:58
ograkapputu: i think its sudo modprobe snd-es1938 , but not sure....12:58
socommkapputu: cd /dev, ls -l dsp12:58
devolvejdub: still no sata drive showing up in partitoner.  feel cheated for settling for a socket754 solution instead of going the next step to socket939.  socket754 deadends at my 3200+, maybe I could go up to 3400+... msi k8 neo.12:58
cardadoranyone knows how to get gtk applicatins looking good?12:58
stvnnight all12:58
kapputuogra, sudo modprobe es1938 worked12:58
kapputui mean there was no error12:58
socommcardador: use your imagination. :^)12:58
ograkapputu: vol ?12:58
devolvebut it should be doable.......12:58
LinuxJonescardador, you mean the fonts ?12:58
lifelessI bought my girlfriend an AMD64 yesterday.12:58
kapputusocomm, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           10 2004-10-27 18:54 dsp -> /.dev/dsp012:58
socommLinuxJones: I think he means the widgets12:58
cardadorLinuxJones: i mean buttons, etc12:58
lifelessinstalled ubuntu i386, works perfectly.12:58
kapputuogra, same error12:58
cardadorand its gtk, not gtk212:58
lifelessinstalled ubuntu amd64, get kernel oops.12:58
kapputuno mixer elements found12:58
jdublifeless: d'oh12:58
jdublifeless: nforce3 based?12:58
lifelessany suggestions ?12:58
lifelessjdub: ack12:58
devolvelifeless, did you install onto a sata drive?12:58
socommcardador: try install bluecurve12:58
lifelessdevolve: nope12:58
jdublifeless: bug Mithrandir :)12:58
lifelessall plain ol ide12:58
socommcardador: actually scratch that.12:58
lifelessMithrandir: P I N G12:58
ograkapputu: found the right module12:58
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socommkapputu: don't know.12:58
UnIDatahow to stop or start an service ?12:58
socommUnIData: /etc/init.d/service stop|start|restart12:58
ograkapputu: sudo modprobe snd-maestro312:58
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LinuxJonesUnIData, /etc/init.d/<service script name > start stop restart12:58
kapputuGreat !! ogra, it works12:58
devolveok... well, i tried booting the ubuntu live cd, but I guess that did not work because it is i386 instead of amd64...12:59
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ograkapputu: but that it not gets loaded on boot is weird....12:59
ThreeDayMonkgrr... is there any way to stop gnome from always popping up new windows in front?12:59
kapputuwhat could have happened, that made it stop from loading it on boot ?12:59
devolveanyone know of a 64bit live distro I could boot off of to check to see what's going on?12:59
kapputuit was working till it got restarted12:59
UnIDataand when restart the computer how to start an service01:00
Kamionlifeless: I'd be inclined to paste the oops into a bug report01:00
kapputuand how do i load it on boot ?01:00
splintaso...where would one get a set of backgrounds that quite naturally devlops the story line hinted at in the inter-racial triad ? ;o)01:00
Kamionlifeless: might require a bit of transcribing though01:00
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ograkapputu: look if hotplug is working.... try running the device manager01:00
devolveor should I just be able to use a 32bit one?01:00
kapputuok i think hotplug is not working01:01
ograkapputu: thats the error01:01
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HrdwrBoBsysop: :)01:01
kappututh reason is, I used to get an error about pciehp.ko and sh..ko not being modprobed01:01
kapputui dint get it in the last two reboots01:01
splintai'd like to try it...whats the ship time to us if i order a set mailed ?01:01
UnIDataand when restart the computer how to start an service01:01
socommThreeDayMonk: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Windows01:01
ogramdz .... look some lines above01:02
LinuxJonessysop, I hated Gnome until I installed Ubuntu and actually gave it a chance. I would neve go back to KDE :P01:02
kapputuogra, i don't get u01:02
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ograkapputu: ??01:02
stuNNedhi all01:02
UnIDataand when restart the computer how to start an service.In fedora is chkconfig service on ...01:02
ThreeDayMonksocomm: no, not there :-(01:02
sysopLinuxJones: Agreed, I thought KDE was it...glad I foubnd out different01:02
kapputuoh i thought u were saying something to me01:02
ThreeDayMonksocomm: I got triple monitors working, by the way01:02
LinuxJonesUnIData, you use update-rc.d01:02
devolve<breaking out the gentoo amd64 disk>01:02
socommThreeDayMonk: Bastard!01:02
ThreeDayMonkphotos coming shortly01:03
stuNNedso with ubuntu i can get debs from debian apt repo's?01:03
kapputuThreeDayMonk, I might need your help with that01:03
splintathose hotties in the 'banned' backgrounds is worth instaklling for ;o)01:03
LinuxJonessysop, the only app I miss is K3b  really :)01:03
socommThreeDayMonk: Don't think there's a configuration app for metacity.01:03
KamionstuNNed: we recommend against that, it can cause amusing incompatibilities.01:03
stuNNedKamion: ok thanks01:03
socommThreeDayMonk: try googling for a metacity-setup app or something, that or switch to another wm.01:03
jdubsplinta: they weren't 'banned' -> install ubuntu-calendar01:03
ograkapputu: you can just ignore the errors ..... according to mdz tey are just cosmetic (even if the just generated an hour of support)01:04
ThreeDayMonkkapputu: I'm going to write it up - it is actually very simple apart from the tedious XF86Config-4 editing01:04
sysopLinuxJones: True, but I hear that won't be missing from Ubuntu for long! :-)01:04
splintaany more.. ??01:04
KamionstuNNed: use the Ubuntu 'universe' repository instead if you want stuff not in the supported set; it's Debian compiled against Ubuntu, basically01:04
kapputuhmm but it consumes time and I would like the bootup to be faster01:04
kapputuanyway how do I start hotplug ?01:04
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ograkapputu: start your hotplug on boot please, a lot of hw depends on it01:04
stuNNedKamion: ah ok, is ubuntu binary distro or source distro? how is laptop support? any DSDT support out of the box?01:05
kapputuit got turned off somehow01:05
splintajdub...whats the mail time for a pressed set >01:05
mdzogra: hotplug is set up correctly by default; if there is a problem, it has nothing to do with those messages01:05
lifelessKamion: I'll see if Mithrandir wants that first - hey may tell me to go play with my other toys01:05
LinuxJonessysop, how's that ?01:05
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sabdflstuNNed: please check universe/multiverse packages for security and licence issues, we don't review them with the same intensity as we do main, if at all01:05
ogramdz: he disabled hotplug because of them :(01:05
kapputuno I dint disable them01:05
stuNNedsabdfl: ok, danke01:05
KamionstuNNed: binary; very good on some, still varies, working on it; no idea01:05
jdubsplinta: should be november01:05
kapputui was going to fix  it sometime though01:06
splintacurrent or next release ?01:06
jdubnext release is final in april01:06
sysopLinuxJones: I read in an interview with Ubuntu developers that K3B is something they want to incorporate in future releases.01:06
ograkapputu: but you switched off hotplug01:06
kapputuogra,I said I din't01:06
ogramdz: sorry.....01:06
kapputuI think it got turned off after the hard reboot yesterday01:07
splintatell mark i think he should make a 'special' editon...if you know what i mean,....this linus stuff could do with some spicing up01:07
splintalinux** even01:07
sysopLinuxJones: They may add KDE too, but I'm not sure? I'm sold on Gnome now anyway! :-)01:07
RubenVbooo KDE ;)01:07
TheMusosysop: I dare say that would rather push for better GNOME cd burning software.01:07
kapputuok ogra, how do I start hotplug ?01:07
ograkapputu: could you try a reboot and look if hotplug gets started, please01:07
TheMusoAs the distro focus is GNOME and GTK.01:07
LinuxJonessysop, I hope so it's one of the best cd/dvd burning apps on any platform :)01:07
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kapputuok gimme a min or two01:08
mirak_hi hi01:08
sysopTheMuso: Is there better Gnome cd burning software??? I'd like to see it too!01:08
TheMusosysop: Not currently AFAIK, but it is certainly coming. IMO K3B is quite clunky.01:08
TheMusoBut I have always found QT apps quite clunky. :)01:09
sabdflKamion: binary with source!01:09
SmokingFireTheMuso: thats what I was just about to say01:09
MyKq3i want to undersend some thingy .... i can't hear two sound services inthe same time . is it becuse I have a problem with the sound card pipline ?01:09
SmokingFireQT: Lets make things complicated01:09
TheMusoSmokingFire: Agreed, and inaccessible for people with vision imparements. :)01:10
Cube-nessqt is actually pretty nice to code in01:10
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RubenVQT is usability hell01:10
SmokingFireCube-ness: I know, there is nothing wrong with the framework, just the applications seem to be bloated.01:10
ubiqhi guys01:10
LinuxJonesubiq, hi01:11
Cube-nessRubenV, anybody canmake an unusable aoo in any api01:11
ubiqwhy am i registered as ubiq?01:11
socommubiq: shouldn't be ubik?01:11
TheMusoSmokingFire: I have had more problems in the past building QT apps on Slackware then I did GTK based apps.01:11
ubiqi did register as ctalkep01:11
jdubdudes, let's not have the desktop debates here01:11
socommubiq: `/nick ctalkep'01:11
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sysopjdub: agreed!01:11
SmokingFireFor example take konquerer, I just want to browse my home directory but it presents me with what 500 options.01:12
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socommctalkep: don't forget '/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password' to ID yourself.01:12
socommGNOME, KDE? Pffft, N00bs!01:12
ctalkepguys, i want to add some bulgarian mirrors to my sources.list since i am located in bulgaria. i insert the URL, yet synaptic tells me malformated line or something01:13
ctalkepwhat do i do wrong?01:13
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SmokingFireyeah the explorer.exe is the best desktop enverioment.01:13
Cube-nessi usually end up using wxWidgets for my apps01:13
ograsocomm: so what shall we use ?01:13
kapputuogra,hotplug doesnt start01:13
ctalkepsocomm, i will remember, thanks01:13
socommSmokingFire: Try csh.01:13
sysopSmokingFire: ROTFLMAO01:14
socommctalkep: you probably a 'malformed' url.01:14
ograkapputu: ok.... look in /etc/rcS.d for S40hotplug, if there is nothing, tell me if there is /etc/init.d/hotplug01:14
ctalkepsocomm, but it is working, i mean i am able to open it in firefox....01:14
SmokingFiresocomm: I prefer using stuff where I can do it without thinking like riding a bicycle. console makes me think.01:14
kappututhere is sym link01:15
SmokingFireI do a lot of actions without consciously thinking about it.01:15
kapputusymlink to init.d/hotplug01:16
ograkapputu: and in init.d ?01:16
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kapputuno there is no hotplug there01:16
ograkapputu: argh01:16
socommSmokingFire: I rather think than get a bad case of carpal tunnel syndrome.01:16
mirak_ lol01:17
AcridienWhat are the kernel modules to handle usb devices ????01:17
SmokingFiresocomm: Aah I have a real nice mousepad with a wrist rest.01:17
kapputuok I reinstall ?01:17
AcridienI think one is missing01:17
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ThreeDayMonkmice are an ergonomic disaster area01:17
socommSmokingFire: call me back when you're older and get wrist cramps.01:18
ograkapputu: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hotplug01:18
ThreeDayMonkI'm in the market for a good trackball01:18
socommkapputu: you don't need to reinstall. It will only give you a fresh slate of problems.01:18
|trey|ogra: while you're at it, man dpkg too  ;)01:18
ogra|trey|: lol, thanks01:18
Kamionsabdfl: quite :-)01:19
|trey|ogra, --reinstall annoys me... dpkg is for local packages... already downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives so you use dpkg  ;)01:20
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billytwowillyHi, I try to try out the livecd but when I boot it up it says "grub error 25"01:20
Cube-nessergonomics == euphamism for 'let me have more scapegoats with which to justify my bitchiness'01:20
kapputuok ogra, I reinstalled it01:20
ThreeDayMonkI disagree01:20
bwlangbillytwowilly: i think your system can't boot a grub bootable cd... you may have to make a floppy boot disk to get started..01:21
|trey|billytwowilly, what kinda hardware you installing on?01:21
ThreeDayMonkIf I use a mouse, my wrist hurts.  If I stop using a mouse for a day, it goes away01:21
ogra|trey|: in fact its one more step to make sure the package is actually in the local archive.....01:21
stuNNeddo i want the 'live' version of the i386 iso to install or just warty-release-install-i386.iso?01:21
billytwowillybwlang: I have a laptop. brand new centrino dothan based chip.. works fine with knoppix01:21
ograkapputu: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug start01:21
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, my wrists are numb, i r teh lucky  :)01:21
kapputucannot find hotplug01:22
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|trey|kapputu, its installed by default... you remove it?01:22
bwlangbillytwowilly:i don't know if knoppix uses grub to boot...01:22
ThreeDayMonkthe Happy Hacking keyboard is wondeful - it's so small and light that you can easily position it just right01:22
kapputuits in /sbin01:22
kapputuand I started it01:22
kapputuhow I do I get it to init.d ?01:22
ogra|trey|: it broke by a powerloss01:22
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|trey|ogra, I suck at paying attention, what did?01:23
kappututrey hotplug01:23
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ThreeDayMonkthat reminds me - what are those two modprobe messages - shpchp and pciehp?  they fail on every machine and slow down boot, and I'd like to get rid of them01:23
stuNNedso do i want the 'live' install iso or the regular?01:23
bwlangbillytwowilly: i don't mean grub won't work on your system ... just that it might not work to boot a cd... there's funkyness involved.01:24
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, shpchp = raid, not sure what the other is...01:24
ograkapputu: thats bad....01:24
ThreeDayMonkah, pci express hotplug01:24
kapputua reinstall would suck01:24
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, that would make sense... not to worry if you don't have raid or pcix though  :/01:24
ograkapputu: there shold be the init-d script after reinstall01:24
|trey|kapputu, bah.. takes like 20 mins  :/01:25
kappututhis is not Windows, this is supposed to good01:25
ThreeDayMonkI'm not worried, but if I can disable them easily, I'll do so01:25
stuNNedn/m guys i figured it out doh :)01:25
kapputuok |trey| what about the time spent configuring my wireless card, mplayer etc..01:25
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, I don't really understand why they are loaded, but yeah... I just ignore that  :)01:25
ograkapputu: so lets follow trey, probably dpkg is better here....01:25
billytwowillybwlang: oh well thanks for the help. I'll try it on the desktop downstairs01:26
ThreeDayMonkkapputu: if it's not a laptop, do what I did - save headaches by purchasing a wireless bridge01:26
kapputuit's a laptop01:26
bwlangbillytwowilly: hope it works for you!01:26
kapputuwhy a wireless bridge ?01:26
ograkapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/hotplug (hit tab here)01:26
bwlangbillytwowilly: could just be a bad cd... but the error 25 seems suspicous01:27
ThreeDayMonkthey convert wireless back to ethernet, so you only need to worry about the ethernet drivers01:27
billytwowillyyah, well I md5sum checked it and I burnt another one too and it didn't work01:27
kapputuno such file or directory01:27
ThreeDayMonkbetter performance in my experience, too - a lot of wlan cards seem to be quite processor-intensive01:27
ograkapputu: a second....01:27
|trey|bwlang, error 25 = its not pointed at the right place...01:28
|trey|bwlang, can't find vmlinuz01:28
thoreauputic/var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug <tab>01:28
kapputunope thoreauputic dint work01:28
bwlang|trey|: *shrug* - you'd thinkt that'd be correct on a cd01:28
|trey|bwlang, not entirely sure how you'd fix that on a cd  :/01:29
ograkapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb01:29
|trey|bwlang, yeah...01:29
ograkapputu: should work....01:29
ograkapputu: else we have to download the file01:29
kapputuyep we have to download it01:29
thoreauputickapputu: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep hotplug01:29
kapputuno thoreauputic it ain't there01:30
thoreauputicif that comes up empty, it ain't there01:30
|trey|bwlang, possible it could just be bad media though.. just means it can't find initrd and vmlinus, if it works for others, you'd think it wouldn't be the livecd image...01:30
thoreauputickapputu: Ok - in thet case it has to be reinstalled via apt/synaptic or whatever01:30
|trey|thoreauputic, archive*01:31
ograkapputu: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hotplug/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb01:31
|trey|Should really remove traces of hotplug... won't really help if you keep the old config etc  :/01:32
ograthoreauputic: apt-get didnt work :(01:32
kapputuok downloaded01:32
|trey|ogra, if apt didn't work, he's in a world more hurt then just hotplug  :/01:32
kapputuok reinstalling ubuntu is easier ?01:33
ogra|trey|: lets try reinstalling first01:33
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kapputuI'm really tired of reconfiguring everything in each distro I use01:33
|trey|kapputu, yes... very much so... you have no idea really how many things are broken...01:33
ograkapputu: sudo dpkg -i <thefileyoudownloaded>01:33
|trey|kapputu, thats why I have an rpm based /etc/ and dpkg /etc/ on different partitions all the time  ;)01:34
ogra|trey|: apt-get just didnt change anything...01:34
kapputustill doesnt show up in etc/init.d01:34
ograkapputu: /etc ?01:35
kapputuyep it's in etc01:35
kappututhere is also a hotplug.d01:35
|trey|kapputu, look in man dpkg for a command that says something about overwriting config file...01:35
kapputucan I do a purge and install ?01:36
thoreauputicor it might be worth trying sudo  dpkg-reconfigure hotplug01:36
ograkapputu: there depend a lot of things on hotplug....purge will remove a lot i guess, but you can try01:37
kapputuit's still broke01:37
ograthoreauputic: not sure it brings init.d back01:37
|trey|kapputu, yes, will remove config files... still need to see what the "overwrite" command is though... else it will still assume config files shouldn't be recreated/changed...01:37
kapputuwhat diff does it make01:37
kapputuno purge removes configuration files01:38
|trey|ogra, you can ignore depends...01:38
kapputu -P or --purge removes everything,  including  configura-01:38
kapputu              tion  files01:38
|trey|kapputu, yes... but -i alone won't put them back... trust me on this, its skrewed me up several times...01:38
ogra|trey|: so tell us....01:39
|trey|ogra, ugh, I said to read the dpkg man page  :/01:39
|trey|what more do you want  ;)01:39
thoreauputicfor init.d  - man  update-rc.d01:39
|trey|Even said what to look for  :/01:39
ogra|trey|: thats what i can hear on every other distro :(01:40
kapputuok wait I'm looking01:40
kapputuhere are my concerns01:40
ogra|trey|: rtfm....i think ubuntu is a bit more and if i know certain tings i help ;)01:41
kapputuI know people are trying to make this better and it's voluntary work01:41
kapputubut it certainly puts off non-geeks01:41
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thoreauputickapputu: you're on IRC - you're a geek :)01:41
ograkapputu: sudo dpkg -i --force-confnew <thehotplugdeb>01:42
|trey|ogra, dpkg --force-confnew --force-confmiss, not --force-overwrite like I though, my bad  :/01:42
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kapputunope thoreauputic, but I'm patient01:42
kapputuI hate windows01:42
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thoreauputickapputu: :) I was joking01:42
ogra|trey|: thanks....nice of you, thats ubuntu ;))01:43
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toothpickcan someone msg me the sources.list for ubuntu01:43
kapputuok ogra next ?01:43
thoreauputicnice spirit in this channel - quite a contrast with some others01:43
ograkapputu: is it there ?01:43
kapputuyep definitely01:43
|trey|# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted01:43
|trey|# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe01:43
|trey|# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe01:43
|trey|deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted01:44
|trey|# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted01:44
kapputuin init.d ?01:44
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ograkapputu: yes :/01:44
kapputuit's not there in init.d01:44
|trey|toothpick, hopefully not too many people did  ;)01:44
|trey|kapputu, sometimes, its best to reinstall  ;)01:45
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|trey|kapputu, you put /usr on a diff partition? if so, you won't lose mplayer etc...01:45
thoreauputickapputu: to update the links for init.d, use  update-rc.d  (there should be a man page for it)01:45
toothpickno doubt01:45
toothpickGot them thanks.01:45
ograkapputu: last try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure hotplug01:45
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|trey|ogra, thats basically what apt-get --reinstall install does  ;)01:46
LinuxJoneskapputu, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=330601:46
|trey|ogra, that shoulda come up WAY earlier  ;)01:46
ogra|trey|: ;)01:46
djtanseyanyone here used i855? i am trying to get my ibm x40 to display to an external monitor at a different resolution as my 1024x768 laptop lcd. preferably so the laptop screen turns off and the external comes up at 1280x96001:46
devolvejdub: it was a jumper setting on the hard drive... I had moved it from default setting.01:46
kapputuno it's on the same paritition01:46
sabdfldjtansey: let me know if you get that right01:47
kapputubut I would like to know how to do that01:47
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sabdflthere's a utility somewhere that let's you play with it, i855-crt or something01:47
sabdflbut its voodoo afict01:47
djtanseysabdfl: i'm using i855crt -- works well. i have the external coming up. but only at the same resolution as my x40 lcd. and only with both up at the same time.01:47
kapputuok ogra, I get a config screen asking me what I wanted loaded on boot01:47
sabdflyou got further than me then01:48
kapputui select everything for now ?01:49
djtanseysabdfl: what is your chipset?01:49
sabdflx40 as well01:49
jdubdjtansey: that's all you can do atm (same res, cloned)01:49
ograkapputu: not sure what the ubuntu default is.....try auto01:49
jdubdjtansey: you can run the monitor at another res, but X doesn't know about it ;)01:50
jdubit really needs in-server support to work well01:50
ograLinuxJones: nice page, but wont work without a file in init.d01:50
djtanseyjdub: there's nothing i can do -- even using something other than i855crt (i'd even be happy to restart X if i could make that work)01:50
jdubdjtansey: nup, not atm :|01:51
|trey|jdub, sup man  :)  keeping yourself busy?  ;)01:51
ThreeDayMonkdjtansey: what is01:51
ThreeDayMonkoops, wrong key :-)01:51
|trey|jdub, how much longer you think it'll be till dist/hoary is usable?01:51
kapputuPCI display devices ?01:51
jdub|trey|: hi, yeah01:51
ograkapputu: nope01:51
djtanseysabdfl: then you should be able to plug it in and type sudo i855crt on 1024x768@75 and it will come up in a second or two01:51
jdub|trey|: dunno, but we'll announce it when it's dogfoodable01:51
kapputuok done01:51
|trey|jdub, good good, and yay  :)01:51
kapputustill not in init.d01:52
jdubsabdfl: i have a little desktop icon for running it, which changes the icon and label and stuff :)01:52
ograkapputu: init.d ?01:52
|trey|jdub, you mean publicly, or just in here etc?01:52
jdubsabdfl: i'll send it to ubuntu-users01:52
LinuxJonesogra, if you install a service it puts the script in there auto-magically ;)01:52
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sabdfl|trey|: feedback is that hoary didn't break as badly as we thought01:52
jdub|trey|: on -devel01:52
sabdflhey jdub01:52
djtanseyThreeDayMonk: what were you typing?01:52
|trey|jdub, cool, I'm usually in there  :)01:52
ograLinuxJones: so whats wron with kapputu here ?01:52
sabdfljdub: i855crt?01:52
jdub|trey|: the list01:52
kapputuok reinstall Ubuntu ?01:52
djtanseyjdub: thanks. do you work with X stuff? (just curious how you know that's all that's possible atm)01:52
jdubsabdfl: yeah01:52
sabdfl*desktop icon*?01:52
LinuxJonesogra, what service has he installed ?01:52
jdubdjtansey: i have a laptop that needs it, so i delved ;)01:53
|trey|sabdfl, still would really would rather get an announcement saying its relatively safe ;)01:53
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sabdfl|trey|: sorry, i wasn't finished01:53
ograLinuxJones: he had a powerfail and afterwards the init.d scrip for hotplug was gone01:53
devolveThe last installation I did was Absolutely Wonderful -- I answered a couple questions, left the house and it was installled when I got back...01:53
jdub|trey|: it's not *yet*, it just didn't break as badly as we thought01:53
|trey|jdub, ahh... I don't usually sign up for lists, too hard to follow  :(01:53
sabdflihoary apparently didn't break too badly so far in the merge up to sid, BUT01:53
sabdflwe still have some bg components to go in01:53
sabdflmost notably x.org01:53
sabdfland that will cause carnage01:53
kapputuI need to learn a lot more about linux01:54
sabdflbest wait for that announcement01:54
kapputuhow do I learn ?01:54
ograLinuxJones: trying to reinstall it either way doesnt make appear the script.....even if i'm sure its in the package01:54
kapputuhow did you guys learn ?01:54
ThreeDayMonkdjtansey: I was just asking about what the i855 is01:54
sabdfli'm sure jdub will start getting rigid an boring around february :-)01:54
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ograkapputu: by doing ;)01:54
LinuxJonesogra, wth, sounds like a corruption problem01:54
ThreeDayMonkI just figured out multiple monitor setups on my configuration01:54
|trey|sabdfl, shouldn't be THAT bad surely? just make x-window-system-core depend on the new stuff, and conflict the old stuff etc  :/01:54
djtanseyjdub: i see. seems hard to believe this many years into linux desktop devel you still can't do that. i remember back in 97,98 and 99 we felt we were on the brink of matching up to the basic expected feature set, even if it wouldn't be user friendly. seems we're still "on the brink." :)01:54
ThreeDayMonkhave a look: http://po-ru.com/images/triple-monitors.jpg01:54
kapputuyep I believe something got corrupted miserably01:54
LinuxJoneskapputu, what kind of filesystem do you have on your /usr directory ?01:54
jdubdjtansey: it's a chipset specific issue01:54
ograLinuxJones: we downloaded a new hotplug package and installed with dpkg with any imaginable option....01:55
devolvekapputu, I read alot of stuff online and tinkered and messed with stuff and worked with people online, but I really think I learned the most when I volunteered my time to work on a community project with other experienced users01:55
djtanseyThreeDayMonk: allows intel (i8xx) chips to work with external displays.01:55
kapputujust a quick question01:55
jdubdjtansey: with other chipsets, you can multihead, clone, flick with the keyboard, etc.01:55
sabdfl|trey|: YOU do it then :-)01:55
|trey|kapputu, ahh, let this be a lesson to use a journelled fs from now on  :)01:55
brettcarThreeDayMonk: All those nice monitors but that half size keyboard? :P01:55
djtanseyjdub: not just driver? vesa wouldn't help?01:55
sabdflit's going to be risky01:55
kapputuhmm I would like to do that01:55
ThreeDayMonkbrettcar: full size keyboard01:55
kapputuI am a good programmer01:55
jdubdjtansey: no, that'll be worse01:55
sabdfli'd rather nobody was running anything production when we do that01:55
thoreauputickapputu: Linux documentation project, also google for howto for anything you want to learn, www.google.com/linux should be your home page :)01:55
ThreeDayMonkit just has no function keys or numeric pad01:55
brettcarThreeDayMonk: No number pad!01:55
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djtanseyjdub: oh well.01:55
sabdflof course, no users == no bug reports01:55
|trey|sabdfl, I'm not so sure you should trust me to package something as important as X ;)01:55
djtanseyjdub: have you tried i810switch?01:55
ograkapputu: EXT2 ???01:55
ThreeDayMonkbrettcar: no use anyway01:55
kapputuok I din't know that trey01:55
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sabdflso we'll need the few and the brave01:55
brettcarThreeDayMonk: A keyboard with no numpad or function keys isn't full sized at all :P01:55
brettcarThreeDayMonk: Function keys are very important!01:56
kapputuI din't read anywhere that journelled FS was good or anything01:56
ThreeDayMonkbrettcar: it has control in the RIGHT place :-)01:56
brettcarSo does mine :P01:56
kapputuI read a lot of review before I installed Ubuntu01:56
jdub^ sabdfl01:56
ThreeDayMonkbrettcar: and there are function keys - Fn+1 for example01:56
ograkapputu: had pervented you from this....01:56
brettcarThreeDayMonk: yeah but thats RSI inducing ;)01:56
ThreeDayMonknot really- I seldom use them01:56
jdubyou'll have to replace some strings in the .desktop and script01:56
kapputuok a quick question01:56
jdubi'll put a readme in there some time01:56
ThreeDayMonkyou can tell I code in vi, perhaps ;-)01:56
jdubor a mini install script or something01:56
kapputuwhat's up with a seperate partition for /usr ?01:56
|trey|kapputu, umm... its a very good thing... its peticularly meant for exactly what happened to you, restoring a filesystem after powerloss...01:57
kapputuI have had this problem a number of times with other distros01:57
brettcarThreeDayMonk: I guess ;P01:57
kapputuanyway now I know01:57
ograkapputu: take ext3 next time.....01:57
|trey|kapputu, journelling + fsck is supposed to fix all issues... you always use ext2?01:57
thoreauputickapputu: more than you ever wanted to know about apt-get: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html01:57
kapputuok ext3 or journelled FS or are they same ?01:57
kapputuyes trey I never knew01:58
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ograkapputu: yep01:58
jdubkapputu: ext3 is a journalled filesystem01:58
kapputuok what's a journalled filesystem ?01:58
|trey|kapputu, ext3 = ext2 + a journel...01:58
kapputuexplain me briefl I'll read about it later01:58
jdubkapputu: better that you read first01:58
ograkapputu: the journal keeps track of open files01:58
kapputuhmm I read a lot jdub01:58
sabdfljdub: thanks will try when i can find a projector01:58
jdubkapputu: it writes in a safe manner01:59
|trey|kapputu, basically, periodically, it will take snapshots of your fs, and store that data so it knows where to put things back after curruption etc...01:59
kapputusafe manner = ?01:59
kapputubut what if the snapshot area gets corrupted ?01:59
jdubkapputu: better that you read about how it's done than getting lame, too-short explanations here01:59
|trey|kapputu, then you are still fucked... but its rare...01:59
kapputuhmm you are right jdub01:59
ograkapputu: never seen this even its possible02:00
kapputuok before I reinstall I need to know this02:00
kapputuI have a 4.7 partition for linux02:00
kapputuu guys suggest I halve it and have one for /usr ?02:00
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ograkapputu: just pick ext3 .....02:00
|trey|kapputu, there are blocks reserved for the journel every something inodes... on my 40 gig partition for instance, there are 8 afaik02:00
kapputuand if I later find I'm out of space can I add a new partition ?02:00
kensaiI ahve downloaded an Icon theme from gnome-look.org how do I install it on ubuntu?02:00
ograkapputu: partitioning is a philosophical thing ;)02:01
|trey|kapputu, you would need all 8 to be currupted for the fs to not be restorable...02:01
LinuxJoneskapputu, do you have a live cd that you can boot to ?02:01
cardadorkensai: extract it to ~/.icons/02:01
kapputuI have a knoppix02:01
kensaiso where is /.icons in home directory?02:01
kapputuany good ?02:01
ograLinuxJones: what will this be good for ? his system is working02:01
__danielkensai: computer -> desktop -> theme02:01
kapputuhey I don't mind reinstalling at all02:01
cardadorkensai: ~ means your home direct02:01
ograLinuxJones: just corrupted certain things02:02
kapputui'm used to it02:02
LinuxJonesogra, to run e2fsck -p on to try to fix his filesystem02:02
ThreeDayMonkkensai: there's an easier way02:02
ograLinuxJones: hmm...nice hint....02:02
kapputuhmm LinuxJones, I think i'll reinstall with ext302:02
kensaicomputer desktop theme does not do the trick I put install theme and the direction of the icon theme and it soes nothing02:02
kapputuI don't want this problem recurring02:02
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kensaieasier way?02:02
__danielkapputu: tune2fs -J /dev/<partition>02:02
ThreeDayMonkkensai: did you choose theme details, icons, and select the icon theme?02:03
ThreeDayMonkI found some icon themes wouldn't work, though, so...02:03
kapputuok if I run out of space, how do I add more space ?02:03
cardadorkensai: that way it installs to .themes, you just need to move it to .icons02:03
ogra__daniel: after a fsck and a reinstall of hotplug .... and probably certain other things ?02:03
LinuxJoneskapputu, that might be the best thing. Try to keep your /usr/ & /var & /home  on a seperate partition if you can :)02:03
kapputuok how do I do that LinuxJones02:03
kensaiThreeDayMonk: yes02:03
|trey|kapputu, parted or gparted is supposed to... still yet to see it be successful though  :(02:04
__danielkapputu: try to avoid reinstalls - that's the way you will learnt the most02:04
kapputuwhat's parted ?02:04
kappututhat's true daniel02:04
cardadorThreeDayMonk: where do you connect the extra monitors?02:04
|trey|kapputu, Its a GNU tool to edit the partition table...02:04
ThreeDayMonkkapputu: partition table editor02:04
kensaiOk I moved them to ~/.icons02:04
LinuxJoneskapputu, you only have 4 gigs available for diskspace ?02:04
kapputuI wish I had learnt this when I was 1702:04
kapputuback then I was stuck with Windows :(((((((02:04
|trey|kapputu, I did, nana  :)02:04
kapputuI have 4.702:05
|trey|kapputu, ahh, I was using Debian when I was 17  :/02:05
cardadorkensai: now you should be able to pick your new icon theme02:05
kapputuI can get more from a FAT partition02:05
ThreeDayMonkcardador: I have an nVidia dual-head card in the AGP slot, and an ATI card in one of the PCI slots02:05
kapputuI installed RedHat thrice02:05
cardadorThreeDayMonk: ok thanks02:05
kapputuI couldnt get Debian02:05
ThreeDayMonkactually, the ATI has DVI and VGA out, and I think that I could connect a fourth monitor...02:05
kensaicardador: Thanks it works just fine02:05
kapputuI couldnt get good books02:05
cardadorkensai: np :)02:05
kensaiThreeDayMonk: Thanks too02:05
kapputuI couldnt get my graphics card detected02:05
kapputuI gave up02:05
|trey|kapputu, I learned everything I know from about 3 years of idling in #debian  :/02:06
ThreeDayMonkcardador: I'm going to write it up on the wiki when the wiki is ready02:06
LinuxJoneskapputu, use as much as you can spare from your win partition. You won't need that anyways one you get Ubuntu up and running ;D02:06
kapputucool , I don't have that time now :(02:06
WWThreeDayMonk: I've never used multiple monitors. Does it act like one very wide monitor?02:06
cardadorThreeDayMonk: and what do you do to enable xinerama, just add some lines in XF86config?02:06
kapputuyep it's been a while since I went there02:06
|trey|WW, basically... yes...02:06
|trey|WW, when its working at least  ;)02:07
ThreeDayMonkhang on, I'll up my XF86Config-4 file for your viewing pleasure02:07
WWIf you drag a window, will it appear half in one window and half in the other?02:07
|trey|WW, yup02:07
ThreeDayMonkbut it gets laggy over the agp-pci transition02:07
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kapputuhow do I find out my partition info ?02:08
WWThreeDayMonk: I hate when that happens...02:08
ThreeDayMonkyou can probably see a whole playboy centrefold on this machine...02:08
kapputuprimary is hda102:08
|trey|kapputu, fdick -l02:08
cardadorThreeDayMonk: but to connect only 2 monitors, do i need also 2 cards?02:08
kapputulogical is hda5 ?02:08
|trey|kapputu, fdisk -l02:08
|trey|bad typo  :o02:08
ThreeDayMonkcardador: not if you have a dual-head card02:08
cardadorhmm i have to figure out that...02:08
kapputucan't open /dev/hda02:08
|trey|kapputu, yeah, umm, thats bad02:09
kapputueven that's sudoed ?02:09
|trey|kapputu, I didn't think so, but maybe?02:09
thoreauputicsudo fdisk -l02:09
ThreeDayMonkcardador: have a look at this: http://po-ru.com/files/XF86Config-402:09
ThreeDayMonkI'm using the Free ATI driver, and the binary nVidia one02:09
kapputuok I made a change in my fsta02:09
kapputuok I made a change in my fstab02:09
cardadorThreeDayMonk: how can i know if my card is dual headed??02:10
kapputuhow do I effect that change without restarting02:10
|trey|cardador, it'll have 2 connectors on it...02:10
cardadorhmm ok :)02:10
cardadorit has a 2nd connector, but it seems different02:11
cardadormaybe tvout02:11
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ThreeDayMonkis it small and round?02:12
kapputuhow do I effect a change in my /etc/fstab without restarting02:12
|trey|cardador, yeah, its not dual headed if your monitor can't plug into that one too...  :/02:12
cardadorThreeDayMonk: no, rectangular and medium sized02:12
cardador|trey|: ok02:12
ThreeDayMonkDVI then02:12
cardadorso that means no 2nd monitor02:12
|trey|Digital Video In?02:12
ThreeDayMonkso you have a VGA and a DVI connector - you could probably do it02:12
kapputuok a silence means I google for it ?02:13
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|trey|ThreeDayMonk, I was sooo close, I think I still deserve a cookie  8)02:13
brettcar|trey|: Digital Visual Interface02:13
|trey|brettcar, damnit, shut up you  ;)02:13
|trey|brettcar, jk, thanks  :)02:13
kapputuhey guys can you see me ?02:13
|trey|kapputu, nope  :(02:14
ThreeDayMonkbrettcar: what - poking your finger in someone's eye? :-)02:14
brettcarkapputu: Nope02:14
brettcarkapputu: ;)02:14
brettcarThreeDayMonk: What did I do now?02:14
ThreeDayMonkdigital visual interface02:14
cardadorkapputu:   mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab02:14
|trey|brettcar, lagging somewhat?  :)02:14
brettcarMy brain is02:14
|trey|brettcar, heh  :)02:14
brettcarbut uhm02:14
brettcarright fstab02:14
brettcarkapputu: Try: mount -a02:15
brettcarAnd see if it updates it at all02:15
brettcarOh actually02:15
brettcarnever mind02:15
brettcar   -u      The -u flag indicates that the status of an already mounted file02:15
brettcar             system should be changed.  Any of the options discussed above02:15
brettcar             (the -o option) may be changed; also a file system can be changed02:15
brettcar             from read-only to read-write or vice versa.  An attempt to change02:15
brettcar             from read-write to read-only will fail if any files on the02:15
brettcar             filesystem are currently open for writing unless the -f flag is02:15
brettcar             also specified.  The set of options is determined by first02:15
brettcar             extracting the options for the file system from the fstab table,02:15
brettcar             then applying any options specified by the -o argument, and02:15
brettcar             finally applying the -r or -w option.a02:15
brettcarBut yeah, use '-u' with mount02:16
kensaiOk I'm using sysv-rc-conf to edit the services which starts at boot. Now my question I want to disable mdam-raid at boot but it has an x under 0 6 and S how do I disable this do I remove all the X?02:16
|trey|kensai, never used that  :(  rcconf  ;)02:16
kensaiwhat other thing can I use for services?02:17
kensaithat is a little bit easier to understand02:17
kapputuok was not mounted02:17
kapputuis it mount -a -o ?02:17
|trey|kensai, apt-get install rcconf .... should be in universe at worst... nice and simple ncurses interface  :)02:17
brettcarkapputu: Yes, if it wasn't mounted before you can just mount it normally (mount /mount/point) and it'll be fine02:18
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cardadorThreeDayMonk: found a crazy cable to connect to that white connector, it has 2 differents ends02:18
kensaiok done installing how do I use it :-)02:18
ThreeDayMonkmaybe not a DVI - I'm not sure02:19
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kapputuok none of it was mounted02:19
|trey|kensai, type "rcconf"  :)02:19
kensaias root?02:19
cardadorThreeDayMonk: bingo, i can connect the monitor cable! lets see if i can make it work...02:19
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|trey|kensai, in the future though... just 'dpkg -L <pkg>' to see what a package installed02:19
|trey|kensai, yup  :)02:19
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MyKq3i m trying to use this giude to install Dmix "http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin". but it seems  that i m missing some packages what i can't get with  aptget ( " alsaplayer* " ) . now i have tryed to find any alsaplayer packages for dabian on goole and what i have found what this ...  http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsaplayer.html. no u can notice that its not really the same packages.... but it seems that i can't02:20
MyKq3 find the exact packages on the net ... what could i do ?..02:20
kapputuI have `/dev/hda1 /mnt/cdrive vfat rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 002:20
kensaiso if I have no raid in my pc I can safely remove mdam-raid?02:20
kapputuin /etc/fstab02:20
MyKq3what can i do?02:20
|trey|kensai, yeah... and shpchp or whatever02:20
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kapputuwelcome back ogra02:21
|trey|MyKq3, apt-get.org = great02:21
kapputuok how do I mount it so that all users can see it02:21
|trey|MyKq3, cough cough cough02:21
ograkapputu: hi ;)02:21
|trey|kapputu, man fstab... -o user02:22
kensaiI installe python-libgmail and don't know how to start that service and it isn't listed anywhere in UBUNTU02:22
MyKq3|trey|,  if i didn't sayed it then its not in the aptget02:22
|trey|kensai, dpkg -L python-libgmail ... also, /usr/share/doc/python-libgmail for any docs that came with the package...02:23
MyKq3|trey|, there isn't any alsaplayer* on the list02:23
|trey|MyKq3, apt-get.org not apt-get the tool02:23
kensaiOoops I erased the file02:23
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|trey|kensai, oops indeed  :(02:24
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thoreauputickapputu: change umask to 000 and if you want all users to be able to mount/umount change user to users02:24
MyKq3|trey|,  thanks :)))02:24
|trey|thoreauputic, or just mount -o users like I said  ;)02:24
|trey|MyKq3, you're welcome, thats kinda like the deb version of rpmfind.net  :)02:25
thoreauputickapputu: if you want it to mount automatically at boot up you can change noauto to auto02:25
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|trey|thoreauputic, uhh, s/or/then/ ... imma shut up now  :o02:27
kapputuok vpnclient got screwed up too02:27
Strissi installed Ubuntu PPC today...loving it so far02:27
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|trey|Striss, :)02:27
WWThreeDayMonk: My graphics card has VGA, TV, and DVI outputs. But multiple connectors doesn't mean multi-head, does it?02:27
MyKq3|trey|,  and mach mach more !!!02:27
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timothy_Striss: what sort of hardware?02:27
ThreeDayMonkWW: not necessarily02:27
cardadorWW: i am in the same situation as you02:27
StrissG3 400mhz02:27
|trey|Striss, honestly, on that hardware, I would use OS X, but Ubuntu is my fav OS right now  :)02:28
timothy_WW: it probably means 2-head, though.02:28
cardadorWW: just connected the 2nd monitor :)02:28
ThreeDayMonkyeah, most modern chipsets support it, from what I understand02:28
WWnvidia geforce fx 5600...02:28
Strissyeah ive been using os x for a long time now, i just wanted to hop on the ubuntu wagon for a change02:28
Strissits running a lot lot quicker than os x does on my mac02:28
|trey|MyKq3, if you can't find them on www.apt-get.org, there isn't a debian package for it  :)02:28
WW(not ultra)02:28
WWSo I could have one monitor on VGA, and another independent monitor on DVI?02:29
ThreeDayMonkStriss: I used to use OS X... until they screwed up repairing my computer three times, and I haven't been able to use it for 5 weeks02:29
ThreeDayMonkso now I prefer Ubuntu :-)02:29
|trey|Striss, thats a good thing... yeah, the graphic side of OS X can bog down the system pretty bad  :(02:29
ThreeDayMonkthe buffered windows are nice, though02:29
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Strissi was having a problem with gaim tho...when people sent me messages they werent showing up at all02:30
|trey|WW, not sure what you mean by independent... thats not really the way xinerama works... it just ends up being an extension to the right of the regular screen...02:30
ograThreeDayMonk: wait on x.org ;)02:30
ThreeDayMonkogra - I am!02:30
MyKq3|trey|,  ir u kidding me man i found FreeCiv2 beta !!!! man i m not going to sleep tonight !!!02:30
|trey|Striss, what protocol?... I've never seen that  :(02:30
ThreeDayMonkI nearly installed gentoo for it, but decided that I didn't need it that badly02:30
|trey|MyKq3, www.apt-get.org rules  :)02:31
Strissi just switched from gaim to amsn and its working ok02:31
Strissnow i'm attemping to compile mplayer02:31
WW|trey|: Right.  Being ignorant, I would have guessed that the different connectors would output exactly the same signal, so there would be no point in having more than one monitor.02:31
Strissso this ubuntu experience is goodtimes so far02:31
kapputuok i'm going to reinstall ubuntu tonight02:31
kapputuany suggestion for me ?02:31
|trey|Striss, umm, ouch... Christian Marrilat makes decent packages for mplayer *cough*02:31
ThreeDayMonkgaim is nice, but the interface is a bit brain-dead with all those pop-up windows02:31
ograkapputu: take ext3 ;)02:31
Strissmarrilat doesnt have ppc packages tho does he02:31
|trey|Striss, search apt-get.org for it and use the listing that mentions marillat...02:32
|trey|Striss, hmm... not sure actually...  :(02:32
ThreeDayMonk|trey|: ooh, where are these mplayer packages?02:32
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, do what I just told Striss  ;)02:32
Strissi'm just following a little guide on the ubuntu page with mplayer and its goine fine02:32
WWStriss: no, mariallat is i38602:32
ThreeDayMonkoh, duh, yeah :-)02:32
Strissthought so02:32
|trey|ThreeDayMonk, use the testing source with warty though, else you get unresolved deps (universe is needed too...)02:33
kapputuanything about partitions02:33
kapputuhow do I put /usr, /var, /home on a seperate file system02:33
kapputuI assume I'll have to mount these on a seperate partition ?02:33
WWThreeDayMonk (or anyone else): So is just two monitors "easy" to setup up?  Is there a howto somewhere?02:33
ograkapputu: i split in sys and home.... others do it the other way02:33
kapputuyes, no ?02:33
brettcarkapputu: You'd have to repartition02:33
brettcarkapputu: And reinstall02:33
|trey|kapputu, you can resize part... and mv /usr /where/you/put/the/other/fs02:34
ThreeDayMonkWW: it's not trivial, but it's technically simple if you edit the config file by hand02:34
cardadorThreeDayMonk: to enable xinerama should i restart x or the pc?02:34
thoreauputickapputu: keep it simple would be my advice, frankly02:34
ThreeDayMonkjust x02:34
|trey|kapputu, its recommended to just do it during install though...02:34
ograbrettcar: he has a broken ext202:34
cardadorok brb02:34
|trey|WW, just google "xinerama howto"...02:34
WWThreeDayMonk: I guess cardador is trying it now?02:34
WW|trey|: Good idea :)02:35
|trey|WW, I know, I said it  ;)02:35
kapputuok how do I do it during install ?02:35
WW|trey|:     :)02:35
ograkapputu: remove the ext2 and create what you want in the free space02:35
|trey|kapputu, when its asking you if you want to keep the default partition table, say no... and mount each on different partitions you create......02:36
kapputuhmm example ?02:36
kapputuyep ogra I'm going to do that02:36
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|trey|kapputu, its an ncurses interface... straight forward and intuitive, but hard to explain here...  :(02:36
kapputuwhat's ncurses ?02:37
ThreeDayMonkkapputu: you see that it says / next to your root - well you just create more partitions and assign them to /home etc02:37
ThreeDayMonkkapputu: a text-mode "windowing" system02:37
ograkapputu: the interface of the installer...youve seen it during install02:37
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|trey|kapputu, actually... you would have seen the exact interface I am talking about when you changed from ext3 to 2  :)02:38
ThreeDayMonkI guess cardador's attempt failed02:38
ogra|trey|: lol02:38
|trey|its either right above or below that... Mount Point  :)02:38
Striss can i mount an nfs share on boot through my /etc/fstab?02:38
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|trey|Striss, not via fstab... no02:38
ograStriss: depends02:38
kapputuyeah I understand that but I have done that in C02:39
kapputuwhat's special about it ?02:39
Strissis there any way to automount it then?02:39
kapputuis it a seperate library ?02:39
thoreauputicStriss: this might help: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html ( I found it useful anyway)02:40
ogra|trey|: why not ?02:40
ograStriss: i think it should work in fstab02:40
thoreauputicStriss: expleains everything pretty clearly02:40
|trey|ogra, ahh, I think I am very wrong... I just don't recall how I think  :(02:41
ograStriss: except with pcmcia network cards :(02:41
thoreauputicit should be possible to set nfs to auto in fstab, I believe02:41
|trey|Striss, just make sure to soft mount.... else that could be a bad idea  :)02:42
kapputuok instead of mounting the filesystem on / I mount /usr on let's say /dev/hda8 ?02:42
|trey|kapputu, you are required to mount / ... this can be small though depending on how you plan to set up the fs...02:42
kapputuok I don't understand02:43
kapputucan you rephrase it ?02:43
|trey|kapputu, when in a business environment... I have / be like 20 megs and have a seperate mount point for everything you see in / other then the pseudo fs's (/dev, /sys and /proc)02:43
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Eno_whats the point of having all the dirs in / be different mount points (i can understand /home though)?02:45
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|trey| /var and /home should be thought about based on user's on the system... /usr should be large... everything else I usually stick @ 1 gig  :/02:45
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Eno_i have / at about 7gb, and /home the rest02:46
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kapputuI understand trey02:46
|trey|Eno_, its a matter of opinion I guess...02:46
kapputuso how do I do that now02:46
Eno_i see02:46
ogra|trey|: philosophy02:46
|trey|Eno_, just limits curruption, and damage possible from virii etc...02:46
|trey|Eno_, also makes it more simple to restore things  :)02:47
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thoreauputic|trey|: umm... I don't think viruses are an issue in Linux02:47
|trey|thoreauputic, of course they are... just not as bad as for windows...02:47
kapputuok guys can you help me get started on this thing ?02:47
ogra|trey|: virii ??02:48
|trey|ogra, plural of virus  ;)02:48
thoreauputic|trey|: sorry, but my reading suggests otherwise02:48
|trey|thoreauputic, I can find a virus for you to test your theory with real quick if you want?02:48
ogra|trey|: :p i know.....02:48
ThreeDayMonkviruses is the plural by most authorities02:48
LinuxJones|trey|, how many Linux machines have you seen with a virus ?02:48
ograLinuxJones: lol02:49
|trey|LinuxJones, 30 ... set one free in the classroom like a month ago...02:49
ograLinuxJones: i ve seen a lot samba servers with virii02:49
thoreauputic|trey|: I'm not going to argue the point - it really doesn't matter :)02:49
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ThreeDayMonkogra: yeah - they can be carriers02:49
ograLinuxJones: sad for the win users ;)02:49
|trey|LinuxJones, took about 2 mins to infect all 30 boxes, it was neato  8)02:50
LinuxJones|trey|, did you have the administrative password and what was the name of the virus?02:51
ogra|trey|: how did you notice ?02:51
|trey|LinuxJones, nope... and I have no idea  :(02:51
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LinuxJonesogra, but they were not native Linux virII they were a Microsoft virus02:52
ograLinuxJones: yep....02:52
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ograLinuxJones: thats why i said poor win users02:52
|trey|ogra, this one fucked up the partition table, so it was kinda simple to see... commands just didn't work anymore  :/02:52
LinuxJones|trey|, so how did you infect 30 Linux machines if you did not know the name of the virus ?02:52
|trey|LinuxJones, ^02:53
|trey|LinuxJones, basically same result as rm -rf /02:53
ogra|trey|: but how did you recognize it was a virus ?02:53
|trey|LinuxJones, dunno if you've ever had the balls to try that  :)02:53
|trey|ogra, cuz the teacher said thats what it would do...02:53
thoreauputic|trey|: and how did this "virus" gain root privileges to achiev the equivalent of rm -rf /  ?02:54
LinuxJones|trey|, how did it get root priviliges to erase the partition table ?02:54
LinuxJones|trey|, if you didn't tell it :D02:54
|trey|thoreauputic, no idea... I know for a fact my box wasn't logged in as root though, and it worked on my box  :/02:55
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ograLinuxJones: i guess it wass a ssh script from the teachers box who knew the rootpw ;)02:55
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thoreauputic|trey|: a lot of inquiring minds would like to know - like every linux security expert in the world02:55
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LinuxJonesogra, I think that |trey| might not be telling us the whole story :)02:56
aresso how dangerous is it to add the debian repository to ubuntu's sources.list to get some packages like "prelink" ?02:56
danielsares: use 'universe' instead02:57
ograLinuxJones: looks like ;)02:57
sysopcd /02:57
sysopwoops...wrong window02:58
TheMusoares: If you want a newer version that is from unstable, you could easily connect to Debian sources and grab the source package and rebuild.02:58
aresis there a reference to that somewhere in the docs/wiki/forums daniels? I've been running ubuntu for about 15 mins, just dove in02:58
aresbut I've been using linux for a while02:58
aresso there are some other safe repositories I could add that work well with ubuntu is what you are saying?02:59
ograares: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto02:59
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aresTheMuso newer version? there is no prelink that I'm seeing after updating synaptic02:59
aresthanks ogra02:59
aresgot the usage of synaptic down :P02:59
cardadorThreeDayMonk: sucess! dual monitor working!02:59
aresjust need to know where to point sources.list to03:00
cardadorThreeDayMonk: how can one set a different wallpaper for each monitor?03:00
kapputuhmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions03:00
kapputuhmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions03:00
ThreeDayMonkcardador: congratulations!03:00
ThreeDayMonkas for the wallpaper, I don't know.  You could stitch them together in Gimp03:01
GotD0tThreeDayMonk: thats what i did03:01
ThreeDayMonkmine is just tiled across all three03:01
cardadorThreeDayMonk: no, thank you! i've usedd your xf86conf to help me build mine03:01
cardadorThreeDayMonk: ill do that03:01
Hikaru79What's the line to extract an RPM?03:02
GotD0tThreeDayMonk: wait... how did you get yours tiled?03:02
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kapputuhi Hikaru7903:02
kapputuwhat's up man03:02
Hikaru79Hey, kapputu ^__^03:02
ograares: just switch on the universe repo03:02
Hikaru79Nothing much :)03:02
Hikaru79I reinstalled ubuntu03:02
cardadorHikaru79: use alien to convert rpm to deb03:02
Hikaru79And gonna give it a fresh shot at Java :P03:02
Hikaru79Ah, I see carador :)03:02
Hikaru79I knew it involved alien03:03
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GotD0tThreeDayMonk: how did you get your wallpaper tiled?03:03
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Hikaru79But I didn't know alien converted, I thought it was just a way for Debian to do RPM's03:03
ThreeDayMonkGotD0t: on the gnome desktop prefs03:03
Hikaru79Thanks, though ;)03:03
ThreeDayMonkstyle: tiled03:03
GotD0tThreeDayMonk: oh... heh03:03
ograHikaru79: works both ways ;)03:03
Hikaru79Do you have to be root to run alien?03:03
Hikaru79Or should I do it from my regular account?03:03
WWcardador: Are you using the two different output connectors from one graphics card?03:03
ograHikaru79: nope03:04
LinuxJonesHikaru79, yeah03:04
kapputuhey hikaru welcome to the club03:04
kapputuI'm about to do that myself03:04
LinuxJonesHikaru79, well to install it :)03:04
cardadorWW: yes, on a gf ti4200 card03:04
Hikaru79Hehe ^__^03:04
ograLinuxJones: ;)03:04
kapputuor should you be the one welcoming me ?03:04
Hikaru79Only club I'm a member of is the "total n00b" club :(03:04
LinuxJonesogra, your quicker than I am :)03:04
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ograLinuxJones: coffeeeee (3pm here)03:05
debbyI cannot ssh into my ubuntu machine, sshd is running, what do I need to do?03:05
ThreeDayMonkHikaru79: when I see your username, I can't help singing "saigo no kiss wa tabako no flavor ga shita" in my head...03:05
WWcardador: Are both displays the same resolution?  If I get a second monitor, it will be higher res than my current one.03:05
jdubdebby: install openssh-server03:05
LinuxJonesogra, It's only 10:05 here so again your quicker than I am :P03:05
cardadorWW: you can choose the resolution for each monitor03:05
janlim trycing to set up a diskless system using the diskless-package, but that requires "base.tgz" that debians have, where can i find the ubuntu equivalent?03:06
Hikaru79ThreeDayMonk: Utada Hikaru rocks!! ^_^03:06
ograLinuxJones: ugh s/pm/am03:06
Hikaru79But, my name comes from Hikaru Shindou, not Utada :(03:06
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ThreeDayMonkHikaru79: yeah - she was really popular when I first went to Japan03:07
Hikaru79:) Still is03:07
Hikaru79And she's released her american album now03:07
WWcardador: Ah...  right, I was just reading a howto about that.  It mentions "dead areas".  Does X 4.3 handle these correctly? (The howto is from 2002.)03:07
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Hikaru79Not doing so well though :(03:07
cardadorWW: i just edited my XF86config-403:07
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Hikaru79According to alien's man files, I should use this line: alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin03:07
Hikaru79Correct? ^^ ;03:07
cardadorHikaru79: rpm.bin?03:08
ograHikaru79: yep, but the default on debian systems.... not essentially needed though03:08
Hikaru79cardador, yup that's the filename...03:09
ograHikaru79: .bin ???03:09
Hikaru79That's what I downloaded it as o.o03:09
Hikaru79Is that wrong?03:09
debbyjdub: I have openssh-server installed, but I cannot ssh into machine.  I can ping machine though.03:09
cardadorHikaru79: normally bins can be run with sh03:09
cardadorsh blabla.bin03:09
Hikaru79But then03:09
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GotD0tdebby: you behind a router?03:09
TheMusodebby: What response do you get when attempting to connect?03:09
Hikaru79Why's it -rpm?03:09
cardadorHikaru79: maybe when you run the bin file, it extracts the rpm :)03:09
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ograHikaru79: no deb... :(03:10
LinuxJonesogra, what are you doing drinking coffee @ 3:00 am :)03:10
Hikaru79I see :)03:10
debbyno response when trying to ssh, machine is not behind a router.03:10
ograLinuxJones: standing up at 8:00 :(03:10
LinuxJonesogra, argh, I have been there :)03:10
Hikaru79cardador, you smart person you ;)03:10
ograLinuxJones: going to work at 10:00 :(03:10
Hikaru79It does indeed extract an .rpm ^ ^;03:11
cardadorHikaru79: :)03:11
ograLinuxJones: sleeping 8 hrs there.... and come back to #ubuntu ;)03:11
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LinuxJonesogra, heh03:11
djtanseyjdub: i assume you have an ibm thinkpad.or at least a laptop with i8xx graphics. do you ever have it come back from suspend with the X displaying the windows but having them be blank and having to kill gdm?03:11
TheMusodebby: Any error messages?03:12
LinuxJonesogra, you sound like you have a good government job !!03:12
TheMusodebby: Are you able to get physical access to that machine at all?03:12
tricky1I just sucessfulyl Installed Ubuntu, but as it gets to loading Gnome the screen goes Black and there is no HDD activity or anything of any sort03:12
TheMusotricky1: Did you have to configure X manually during install?03:13
debbyTheMuso: no error message, I used to be able to ssh into the machine but cannot now.  Yes I have physical access to the machine now.03:13
tricky1TheMuso: No03:13
TheMusoHave you checked that there is something listening on port 22?03:13
kapputuogra u from UK ?03:13
debbyTheMuso: how do I check this?03:13
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ograLinuxJones: in fact i'm in a new job in my company from the 2nd next month, there will be not much sleeping anymore i guess03:14
Hikaru79Hmm... strange03:14
Hikaru79hikaru79@ubuntu:~ $ sudo alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.rpm03:14
Hikaru79dpkg: status database area is locked by another process03:14
ograkapputu: germany03:14
cardadoranyone know where is located the ubuntu wallpapers?03:14
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cardadorHikaru79: close synaptic ;)03:14
TheMusoIf you have pphysical access, type netstat | less which will display information about any software that is waiting for connections, and your established connections. Search for port 22 or ssh.03:14
ogracardador: ubuntu-artwork03:14
tricky1is there a way to reconfigure X?03:14
kapputuu speak very good english03:15
cardadorogra: i mean in the filesystem03:15
kapputuwhy don't english speaking people learn other languages ?03:15
Hikaru79That would explain it :P03:15
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thoreauputictricky1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:15
cardadorkapputu: i vote for portuguese!03:15
LinuxJonesogra, you can always find time for a nap, no matter what job. See Homer Simpson :D03:15
ogracardador: terminal: dpkg --listfiles ubuntu-artwork03:15
cardadorogra: thanks03:15
ograLinuxJones: *g*03:16
ograLinuxJones: this job will stress me a lot :(03:16
tricky1thoreauputic: can i do that booting the recovery kernel?03:16
thoreauputictricky1: have you tried the command? I don't follow you, sorry03:18
kapputuhow do I keep my wireless connection from getting disconnected every 2 mins03:18
GotD0tgood question03:18
ograkapputu: did this happen before the powerfailure ?03:18
brettcarkapputu: If it isn't a driver problem, a better AP or antenna on your card.03:19
tricky1thoreauputic: I just installed, and If i let GRUB boot normally, it goes up through everything okay, but when it goes to start X the screen stays black, this doesn't happen when I boot using the "recovery" option in GRUB03:19
debbyTheMuso: I can ssh into my ubuntu machine at work, but not the one at home.  Comparing netstat on the two machines did not show anything different.03:19
LinuxJonesogra, what are you doing ?03:19
tricky1I get a root@<hostname> prompt03:19
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thoreauputictricky1: try typing the command I gave you at that prompt03:20
thoreauputictricky1:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:20
TheMusodebby: You could try restarting the server.03:20
LinuxJonesok the World Series is over :)03:21
Hikaru79OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o03:21
ograLinuxJones: i'm at a cable provider , started runnung the cablemodem testlab three years ago....after a lot firing i moved to datamining/informationmanagement (a lot of sleep)03:21
GotD0twho won?03:21
thoreauputictricky1: if it's a root prompt you should not need the "sudo'03:21
kapputuyes it was happening all the while03:21
kapputuhow do I get an antenna ?03:21
brettcarkapputu: Buy one? :)03:21
LinuxJonesogra, your like an ISP ?03:21
brettcarkapputu: Make one? :)03:21
kapputuwhat kind of an antenna and how much does it cost03:21
kapputuhow do I install it ?03:21
tricky1thoreauputic: thanks, hopefully will return with results03:21
ograLinuxJones: now i'll be settopbox specialist and responsible for the digital headends....03:22
brettcarkapputu: Maybe you could get a book of WiFi technology to read up more about how wireless radio works?03:22
thoreauputictricky1: choose the simple options and defaults03:22
LinuxJonesogra, your in Europe I would assume ?03:22
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ograLinuxJones: cable....tv internet viop phones03:22
kapputuI would definitely do it if I had the time03:22
ograLinuxJones: germany03:22
kapputuok how do I install an antenna ?03:22
cardadorbye all!03:23
jdubdjtansey: haven't done suspend03:23
LinuxJonesogra, do you have any connections @ your company . I am looking for a European host for a project that I am working on. (will require a fair amount of bandwidth) ?03:24
debbyTheMuso: problem solved, I was trying the wrong ip address, dhcp gave me a new address today.  Thanks for the help.03:24
areswell that was simple :D03:24
aresI am _really_ liking this03:24
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GotD0tdebby: you might want to check into no-ip03:24
ograLinuxJones: they won't host anything not even their own flatrate customers (marketing is sometimes pretty ill)03:25
areswoot, and there is 'prelink;03:25
debbyGotDot: what's no-ip?03:25
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LinuxJonesogra, you should find a new job :)03:26
ograLinuxJones: its a 900 emp. company....huge security crap....03:26
aresand vlc03:26
GotD0tdebby: its a service that lets you download an app that will automatically check for changes to your dynamic ip and then update the DNS servers to allow you to use one address continually03:26
ares<hugs> ubuntu03:26
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LinuxJonesogra, it's just hosting a bittorrent stream :)03:26
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nomasteryodaany of you look at the lunar eclipse tonight03:27
ograLinuxJones: i should.... did i mention i have no clue of settopboxes....03:27
GotD0tim keeping an eye on it03:27
ograLinuxJones: but will be responsible for 4mio customers :(03:28
ares<peeks for gtkpod>03:28
nomasteryodaGotD0t: yu here every night?03:28
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GotD0tnomasteryoda: pretty much ;-)03:28
LinuxJonesogra, If they give you a paycheck don't knock it :D03:28
ograLinuxJones: i wont.... but i wont be the CTOs pet (which is included obviously ... disgusting)03:29
Dreli have a dell inspiron 2650 laptop, which uses the geforce 2 go chipset.  I installed the nvidia drivers (by default, Ubuntu booted into 640x480 @ 60hz and supported no other modes).  Now, everything works great, except -- when I logout, or go to shutdown or restart, the screen goes completely black and I have to power down the computer by holding down the power button for 2+ seconds.  Any idea what's causing this, how I could debug it,03:29
Drela possible fix,...?03:29
kapputuhi gotdot03:29
ograLinuxJones: what will drive me to resign if i cant bear it anymore....03:30
djtanseyjdub: what laptop do you have? i have really good acpi suspend. even live docking/undocking. just haven't figured out why it doesn't ceme back right sometimes.03:31
WWBasic hardware question: is "15 pin D-sub" the standard VGA-type connector?03:31
geppyUbuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)03:31
LinuxJonesogra, I levft a job that I was in for 12 years that I hated. I quite frankly told them exactly what I thought of them. (that wasnt' very much) I don't recommend it as you will need some good references for your next job :)03:32
GotD0tgeppy: I've never hadd XMMS crash on me03:32
geppyYeah, I never have, under any other distro.03:32
WWgeppy: The only program that I recall crashing in the last few weeks is Screem.  (But I don't use XMMS or P.../Cedega.)03:33
ograLinuxJones: i got my cv... thats enough.....at least to find _something_03:33
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LinuxJones3-0 Boston over the Cards...series is over (in the 4th)03:33
LinuxJonesogra, cv ?03:33
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ograLinuxJones: curriculum vitae, course of life ?03:34
reformedLinuxJones:  I did that once, now it's come back to bite me in the ass.  :)03:34
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LinuxJonesreformed, you can't dwell on the past I just told them the truth (as you did) I have no regrets. Sure I have NO money but I have my pride :)03:36
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LinuxJonesreformed, my resignation letter was 3 pages long, I am sure that those idiots are still passing it around to different departments (and it's been 3 years) !!!!03:38
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kapputuok ye'all03:39
kapputuFresh ubuntu03:39
kapputusee you in approx 40 mins ?03:40
GotD0thave fun03:40
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kapputuogra please explain GotDot where I screwed up03:40
GotD0tkapputu: you might wanna back up some config files...03:40
kapputuhmmm yes !!03:41
kapputuhow do I do that03:41
ograGotD0t: he corrupted his filesys (ext2) and wants to switch to ext3 now03:41
GotD0twell figure out which ones you need and email em to yourself or put em on a floppy03:41
ograGotD0t: and wants to spilt in more partitions...03:41
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izaachey people, in the installation process, it is safe to format with XFS for / ?03:42
izaaci will get no errors with grub?03:42
ograizaac: if you know how to run grub twice03:42
kapputuogra, you never told me how to get it into more partitions :(03:42
GotD0togra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem?03:42
jdubdjtansey: Dell X300, it has a borky DSDT, which i haven't bothered to play with yet03:43
izaacwhy do i need to run it twice?03:43
ograGotD0t: powerloss on write.....03:43
GotD0togra: oh03:43
ograizaac: i read its a workaround.... grub works the second time....03:43
kapputuogra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem? -- by installing ext2 :-(03:44
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izaacogra: then i must not format the root partition with XFS?03:44
ograclouds :(03:45
GotD0twatch it online03:45
izaacits weird there is not a warning for this in the installer :S03:45
nomasteryodahow do you change the root password for Ubuntu03:45
ograizaac: i did it, dunno if it works everytime03:45
ogranomasteryoda: there is none ;)03:45
geppysudo passwd03:46
izaacogra: mmm ok then reserfs will do the job03:46
nomasteryodathat's simple03:46
izaacwell then the question is: how do i disable sudo?03:46
kapputuhey the eclise is cool03:46
kapputuizaac :you don't03:47
ograurl anyone ?03:47
kapputuadd yourself to sudoers03:47
kapputuit's insecure but03:47
Hikaru79OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o03:47
izaackapputu: well ok03:47
ograkapputu: the default user is in sudo03:47
kapputudoesnt work for me that way03:47
izaacwow cplay rules!03:48
kapputuwhat's cplay ?03:48
izaacncurses sound player03:48
ograizaac: sudo is tied in deeply in ubuntu, youll have to change a lot for not unsing it in X03:48
GotD0tok... im done with the eclipse... boring03:48
GotD0tgoing to take a shower03:48
izaacogra: i take it back03:49
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kapputuok bye bye all03:49
ograizaac: try it out, its ingeious03:49
kapputuany words of wisdom before I leave ?03:49
GotD0tdid you back up?03:50
defendguinanyone using NetworkManager?03:50
ograizaac: like many other concepts in ubuntu03:50
kapputunothing to backup03:50
kapputubut I would like to save my wireless config03:50
izaacogra: yeah like the philosophy03:50
izaacthats why im here in first place03:51
ograkapputu: save /etc/network/interfaces should be enough03:51
ograizaac: ;)03:51
geppyIs anyone else having trouble with Ubuntu being unstable?03:52
GotD0tnot here03:53
kapputui saved start_net03:53
izaacme neither03:53
ograno i didnt touch hory yet ;)03:53
geppyI may just reinstall.03:53
kapputugeppy, only because i installed it on a ext2 fs03:53
izaac:( ext2 its toooooo old03:53
kapputuno one told me :-(03:54
ograizaac: its faast03:54
izaactry reiserfs03:54
izaacbut not secure for crashes03:54
ograbut unsafe03:54
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cef_workgeppy: unstable how?03:54
geppyUbuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)03:55
Pizbitgeppy: Hahaha;)03:55
Pizbitgeppy: Sounds reallly odd03:55
cef_workgeppy: default kernel?03:55
ogrageppy: did you use only ubuntu packages ?03:55
Pizbitgeppy: Sad thing is, it could be something a simple as that it's thursday:)03:56
izaacmy xmms crashes too03:56
Hikaru79I'm having Rythmbox problems too03:56
cef_workPizbit: I never could get the hang of Thbursdays03:56
Hikaru79And I have xmms problems as well, but I had those under debian as well03:56
cef_workPizbit: see? I can't even spell it right!!03:56
izaacbut there is a bug because the nvidia driver03:56
Hikaru79Never had any problems with GAIM so far yet though03:56
Pizbitcef_work: Hahaha:)03:56
geppyPoint2Play/Cedega use foreign packages, they're proprietary.03:56
PizbitGaim is fine here, only use xmms to awake me in the morning since amarok doesn't have an xmms-alarm plugin yet03:57
geppyDefault kernel.03:57
geppyEvolution/GAIM/XMMS all Ubuntu packages, except two GAIM plugins, but it was crashing before that.03:57
PizbitRhythmbox, well, my opinion on that is known.03:57
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geppyGRIP is an Ubuntu packages, and Rhythmbox, yeah, I think that one is just a crappy app.  :)03:57
geppyNice idea, though.03:57
PakalUbuntu doesnt have modconf!03:58
PizbitPakal: That's nice to know.03:58
geppyIt crashed on Wednesday, too.  =)03:58
Pizbitgeppy: Must crash on *day :)03:58
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geppyI've installed the necessary packages to fix the NVIDIA/XMMS problem.03:59
PizbitChange your calendar and you'll be sweet03:59
fluoroI don't think Rhythmbox is a crappy app.03:59
nomasteryodajuk is better03:59
fluoroIt's missing a couple things that I would like though.03:59
geppyfluoro:  It sucks at not being a memory hog.03:59
geppyfluoro:  It also sucks at having features that every sound app should have, such as the ability to select your sound preferences.04:00
cef_workPizbit: perhaps it doesn't like days with vowels in them?04:00
fluoroWhat kind of sound preferences?04:00
Pizbitcef_work: Ya never know04:00
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Pizbitfluoro: Such as choosing the output sink!04:00
asharihi everyone04:00
ogrageppy: not nesseccary if it works04:01
RaenkHi all, how can i get to install xfce4 instead of gnome ?04:01
cef_workgeppy: what sound card?04:01
fluoroPizbit: What else would you want to output to other than the sound card?04:01
geppyOh, my sound works fine, I'm just saying that Rhythmbox doesn't let you select, so I can't use ALSA/dmix with it, or whatever else it is that I want to use.04:01
cef_workfluoro: a different sound card? direct to disk file?04:01
ashariAnyone willing to tackle a frozen install in Virtual PC 7 on Mac OS X?04:01
Pizbitfluoro: Well, there's esd, alsa and oss emulation, often one works better than the others for people04:02
geppyNforce2 onboard + unused SB 16 PCI04:02
PizbitEspecially when dealing with gstreamer.04:02
geppyAnd especially when you don't think high latency is fun, a la ESD.04:02
fluoroPizbit: But we don't want to have all of those.  We want OSS and ESD to die.04:02
Pizbitfluoro: Uhm, so?04:02
PizbitI deal with reality, not dreams.04:03
geppyThat doesn't fix the lack of choice, though.04:03
fluoroPizbit: I think having that in the sound player app is bad.  There should just be a "sound configuration" dialog somewhere that sets your sound system, and then all audio players use that setup.04:03
geppyYou can't even reorder the info tabs (track/title/genre/artist/album)04:03
geppyfluoro:  Well, there isn't.04:03
fluorogeppy: That's my complaint with it.  Not being able to reorder or rename things.04:03
geppyfluoro:  Yeah.04:03
ogrageppy: no choice is the best one....(which would be a direct connection to your soundcard by default)04:03
PizbitSomeone make a gtk port of amaroK !04:04
fluorogeppy: Then someone should fucking make one and stop blaming some music player that has nothing to do with that, and shouldn't have anything to do with that.04:04
geppyI don't understand why it has text dialogs for the info, if you can't change it without using vi on the flat file.04:04
geppyfluoro:  I would like to, really, but no one would use it.04:04
geppyPeople like having apps that don't work together.04:04
PizbitBigots are fun:)04:04
geppyThey think that it's fun.04:04
PizbitNot pretending that I'm not one of course.04:05
cef_workgeppy: fyi, all those apps that seem to crash use sound somehow, and I'm sort of wondering if it's having problems with more than one program trying to access the device04:05
geppyogra:  ALSA/JACK is the best choice.  :)04:05
geppycef: I've configured GAIM to use my system speaker, so I doubt it.04:05
geppyGRIP doesn't actually do sound, by the way.04:05
cef_workgeppy: total guesswork of course, but I've seen apps just die if they can't use sound and they're configured for it04:05
geppyoutput, my bad04:05
izaacwell cause there is no java package for ubuntu im trying to build it myself with mpkg-j2se04:05
ogrageppy: there will be something new in hoary ;) esd is dropped04:05
geppycef: Yeah.04:05
geppyogra:  YAY!  :)04:05
Pizbitogra: dmix?04:05
geppyogra:   When is Hoary due?04:06
fluoroPizbit: What's great about amaroK?  I've never seen it.04:06
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ogrageppy: is still discussed i think04:06
cef_workizaac: best way afaik04:06
Pizbitfluoro: Check out their website amarok.kde.org iirc04:06
geppyogra:  Alright, thanks.  :)04:06
ograhoary will get released in april04:06
Pizbitfluoro: Look at the feature list and screen shots.04:06
cef_workas far as I know04:06
geppyBut really, if someone wrote an app to set a default soundsystem for everything, would distro managers use it?  Odds are, no.04:06
Pizbitfluoro: Oh yeah, and the devs are great fun:)04:06
fluoroPizbit: At a glance, it looks pretty cool.  Except that I'm not sure if I like the browser-style interface for a music player.04:07
ogrageppy: but why, if the right selection is made its enough04:07
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Pizbitfluoro: There is the player-window only mode04:07
tricky1okay, got it working by removing my ATI Card04:07
geppyogra:  ESD != right selection04:08
cef_workoss needs to die soon.. just a pity some of the alsa drives are still buggy04:08
Pizbitfluoro: Basically browser + player window, player window or browser window, three combinations:)04:08
tricky1Now i have a question about my mounted windows drive(FAT32)04:08
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geppyAmarok looks nice, but it's KDE.04:08
fluoroPizbit: Sounds potentially confusing. =)04:08
fluoroPizbit: But still does look pretty nice.04:08
tricky1When I try to goto "Documents and Settings" the file manager thinks it's a normal file and not a folder04:09
tricky1it this a bug?04:09
cef_workgeppy: doesn't mean that gnome dev's can't learn from it though.. *grin*04:09
geppycef: heh04:09
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cef_workgeppy: and the reverse is always true04:09
ogrageppy: thats why its dropped04:09
geppycef:  I would like to port Amarok to GTK+/GNOME. That'd be fun.04:09
geppyogra:  Right.04:09
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cef_workgeppy: get cracking04:10
ogranight all04:10
geppycef:  heh  :)04:10
fluorogeppy: I'd be all down with working on a music player that doesn't suck, but I'd be more interested in working on it in Gtk#.  Doing this GUI shit in C sort of sucks.04:10
geppyfluoro:  How so?04:10
fluorogeppy: It's so much less productive of a language for this sort of stuff.04:10
tricky1can anyone help me04:11
geppyfluoro:  It's more portable, though, isn't it?04:11
geppytricky1: is "docs and settings" a link?04:11
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fluorogeppy: Technically speaking, yes.  But how portable does it need to be?  You're basically aiming for users who use Gnome and 95% or more of them are Linux users.04:12
tricky1no Idea04:12
Cube-nesspython portability rules..04:12
tricky1I just mounted the drive04:12
GotD0ttricky1: where is the docs and settings you're trying to access04:12
Cube-nessfluoro, theres ppc linux ya know.. and many others04:12
tricky1in windows it goes to all the user names04:12
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geppyfluoro:  True, but porting it to Windows would be neat.  Hell, I'd never use it, but I'd sell it to my friends.  :)04:12
fluoroCube-ness: Yeah, I know.  How is C++ or C# less portable on PPC than on x86?04:12
GotD0ttricky1: winxp?04:13
fluorogeppy: Gtk# runs on Windows.  It doesn't look native, but that's not my problem.04:13
Cube-nessfluoro, didnt mean to imply it was.. just saying theres that kind of portability too04:13
geppyfluoro:  True, but the people using it care.04:13
GotD0ttrick1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?04:13
fluoroCube-ness: Yeah, I know.  I think using a language like Python or C# makes that sort of portability easier than using C or C++.04:13
jdubGTK+ can look native on windows, if built with wimp-gtk04:13
geppyfluoro:  Odds are, the devs aren't going to be the ones using it, but if they let the fact that they don't care show, no one would be using it.04:13
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bratscheI just realized I've been using my other nick.04:14
GotD0ttricky1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?04:14
tricky1GotD0t: yes04:14
GotD0tthats odd04:14
bratschegeppy: I guess.  I'm just saying that, as a developer who would be writing something for myself to use, I'd enjoy using Gtk# more than Gtk+ and I think I could develop a better product faster.04:14
Cube-nessbratsche, what i like is making an app in wxPython.. write it once and it runs all over the place.. windows, osx, linux, etc etc04:15
GotD0ttrick1: it shouldn't be like that04:15
tricky1When I try going to it in XMMS it thinks it's a file04:15
geppyIs amarok in the depository?  I don't see it.04:15
bratscheCube-ness: Yeah, that's very cool.  I like Python, but for some reason I've never really considered using it seriously.  I honestly don't know why.04:15
tricky1Or Gaim for images04:15
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tricky1but i can cd to it from the terminal04:15
geppyCube-ness:  I've never used py, I might give it a try.04:16
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thoreauputictricky1: if you browse to it in nautilus does it show as a directory?04:16
bratscheCube-ness: One reason is likely that I just feel more comfortable with things with C-like syntax.  I know that sounds really stupid and amateurish though.04:16
Cube-nesspython is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it enough04:17
tricky1nautilus is the file browser right?04:17
bratschetricky1: Yes.04:17
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tricky1it sees it as a normal file04:17
tricky1not as a directory04:17
Cube-nessbratsche, well, its gets out of my way.. lets me think about my app rather than language quirks04:17
Cube-nessand you can code at lightspeed04:18
GotD0ttricky1: are you sure you're poitning to the same place, and not say... the my documents folder04:18
thoreauputictricky1: but in a terminal it shows as a directory, right?04:18
geppyOkay, does anyone here _use_ Amarok under Ubuntu?04:18
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bratscheCube-ness: Sorry, I misread what you said.  I thought you said "python is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it though".  Sorry. =)04:18
tricky1thoreauputic, Right04:18
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thoreauputictricky1: are you sure you are looking at the same thing when you do it with the file browser?04:19
WW_MoonWatchooohh, just a sliver left...04:19
tricky1thoreauputic, Yes04:20
bratscheCube-ness: I guess since I have no real experience with Python or that community, I always sort of think about performance.  I guess I could sit down and try to experiment around with performance in a Python program, a C++ program, and a C# program.04:20
tricky1each time /mnt/windows04:20
bratscheI doubt I ever will though.04:20
tricky1I mounted it using mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows/04:20
GotD0ttricky1: only thing i can think of would be to umount then mount it again04:20
tricky1tried that04:20
tricky1maybe add it to fstab?04:21
GotD0tdunno what else04:21
GotD0tits fat32?04:21
Cube-nessbratsche, performance, as in sheer computing power?04:21
izaachey dudes how can i install only the security updates using apt-get ?04:23
thoreauputictricky1: very weird :/04:23
bratscheCube-ness: Yeah, I guess so.  Like, how would the three compare in doing some big-ass searching/sorting algorithms.  That would be an interesting test.  I'm too lazy to actually try it out though.04:23
jdubizaac: only enable the security line in sources.list04:23
izaacand, then....04:24
tricky1hmmm i just tried double clicking it in nautilus and the directory disappeared04:24
tricky1I'm using RC104:24
tricky1I saw somewhere about RC2 being out?04:24
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Cube-nessbratsche, c++ would likely win, in the end.. however, the python versio would likely take 1/10th the time to implement, giving you more time to do other things, or optimize the routine further. hehe04:25
jdubizaac: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade as normal04:25
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WW_MoonWatchizaac: Are you a command line person or a Synaptic user?04:25
jdubtricky1: RC2 of...?04:25
GotD0tand its on WinXP? i thought XP used NTFS04:25
GotD0tlike, exclusively...04:25
GotD0ttricky1: did you upgrade XP from a previous windows version?04:25
tricky1It's SP204:26
thoreauputicGotD0t: no, you can choose to have fat32 with XP04:26
tricky1FAT32 is faster04:26
bratscheCube-ness: It would be interesting to see how Python and C# compare in both runtime and in implementation time.  For me, I expect that I would implement things faster in C# since I'm somewhat comfortable with it now.04:26
tricky1but NTFS is more secure04:26
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thoreauputictricky1: ah - sp2 breaks stuff, from what I've heard04:26
GotD0twell if you dont care as much about speed you MIGHT want to try converting to NTFS04:26
bratscheCube-ness: Mono's JIT is pretty impressive on certain things.  Discounting startup time, they've got some things actually running faster than a comparable piece of code compiled by gcc from C/C++.04:27
izaacWW_Moonwatch: both04:28
izaaccommand and GUI04:28
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tricky1Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu RC1 to Release without doing a full reinstall?04:28
jdubtricky1: apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade04:29
thoreauputictricky1: I don't know, but it's possible you are looking at a Windows problem rather than a linux one here04:29
jdubtricky1: or, use synaptic to do the same thing in gui land04:29
izaacbut for install packages in debian i used to install via apt-get in the terminal04:29
WW_MoonWatchizaac: OK, just checking.04:29
Zindarizaac: you can in ubuntu also04:30
Zindarmorning all04:30
izaacWW_Moonwatch: thanks04:30
Cube-nessbratsche, yeah.. but really, how often does 'fast' like that matter? to me, the abliity to code fast, in a clean readable syntax thereby making extending and maintaing my apps easier and more creative (less time thinking about language, more about my ideas) is a good trade off for some speed that you'll only notice in contrived benchmarkings04:30
humprinchhi all, anyone have any idea how to keep my laptop fan from coming on so often?04:31
bratscheCube-ness: Yes, I agree with that.  This is the main thing I have against writing GUI apps in C these days.  I just feel like it's less productive, more error-prone, and for runtime speeds that are not necessarily faster.04:32
geppyhumprinch: ice packs work well04:32
humprinchgeppy: not so well for the crotch though04:32
bratscheCube-ness: Then again, I haven't been doing a lot of GUI app coding recently so it's easy for me to say this stuff.  I've been working on 3d game engine code.04:32
Cube-nessbratsche, hehe.. thats why i said "pygtk".. hehe04:32
RageMaxsooo...where is the xorg.conf file exactly?04:32
RageMaxbecause I just searched the entire fs for it04:33
tricky1this looks normal, right04:33
Cube-nessRageMax, /etc/X1104:33
tricky1/dev/hdc1 on /mnt/windows type vfat (rw)04:33
bratscheCube-ness: Personally, I'd be more productive in C#.  But that's just because I'm more familiar with it.  I might be able to becomee more productive in Python if I spent more time with it first.04:33
geppyI think something just might be wrong with my sound setup, after all.04:33
geppyJust installed JuK, and it's crashing like crazy.04:34
bratscheI knew it wasn't rhythmbox's fault!04:34
geppyRhythmbox just _won't_ _recognize most of my music, though.  =)04:34
geppyEither way, I think I'm off for a fresh install.04:35
bratscheThe thing about Rhythmbox that annoys me (although someone told me they're working on fixing it) is that I can't rename stuff.04:35
geppyKilled JuK, but I'm still getting errors all over the place in the terminal that it was using...04:35
geppybratsche:  Yeah, I _hate_ that.04:35
geppyThat, and the whole "this is how it comes, you can't change it" attitude.04:36
bratscheAnd when I rip a CD into Rhythmbox, it might store the artists as "J.S. Bach".. but I already have another CD ripped and stored under "Johann Sebastian Bach", or "J.S.Bach".04:36
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geppyI want Artist-Album, like everything else uses, for crying out loud.04:36
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geppyYeah, but you _can_ change at rip time.04:36
geppyBesides, Sound-Juicer sucks, too.04:36
bratscheYeah, but I don't notice while I'm ripping that it's "J.S.Bach" instead of "J.S. Bach"04:36
Cube-nessgrip works fine04:37
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bratscheI shouldn't have to worry about that at rip time.  I should be able to go back at a later time and say, "Oops" and fix it.04:37
geppybratsche:  Yeah.  If you want to, you _can_ edit the flat file in ~./rhythmbox/is/a/crappy/app/04:37
geppyI did that to change a few, and then decided that it was too much of a pain.04:38
bratscheThe correct solution is just to learn the code to Rhythmbox and send in a patch. =)04:38
bratscheBut I was told that they are going to fix that.04:38
geppyThe solution is to use XMMS.  ;-)04:39
Pizbit^Haha, no.04:39
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tricky1this is driving me nuts04:40
GotD0tid imagine04:40
geppyI'm moving my homedir onto another disc, then reinstalling, so I'm out of here.04:40
geppySee you guys in a couple of hours.  :)04:40
PizbitHave fun04:40
geppyWill do.  :)04:40
tricky1i could just cp the music folder from the terminal to this partition04:40
tricky1but that defeats the purpose04:41
bratscheYeah, using xmms is not the correct solution.  xmms sort of blows also. =)04:41
bratscheI mean, unless you actually like it.  Then, sure.04:43
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tricky1how would I add my HDC1 to FSTAB to automount?04:47
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GotD0tadding to fstab will automount it04:49
tricky1how do i add to fstab?04:49
bratscheDammit, I need to figure out this issue with my LANG and environment.04:49
bratscheHas anyone else had problems getting this stuff setup?04:49
GotD0twell open fstab as sudo04:50
tricky1it's open04:50
bratscheAt first it was just annoying because Perl would whine about it.  But now Subversion is rendered completely inoperable while this is incorrectly setup, and I have no idea how to fix it.04:50
GotD0t/dev/hdc1 in the first column, the mount point in the second one04:50
tricky1I just need to know what I'm typing in there04:50
bratschesvnadmin: error: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale04:50
bratschesvnadmin: error: environment variable LANG is en04:50
GotD0ttricky1: whatever the file type is04:51
bratscheHas anyone else recently installed Ubuntu with a fresh install?04:51
GotD0tcan you write to fat32 in linux?04:51
tricky1what options?04:52
GotD0trw,user i guess04:52
GotD0tthen dump and apss whould be 004:52
bratschejdub: I went into that locale setup you mentioned earlier, and it didn't fix anything.  Maybe it changed some stuff in /etc/environment or whatever, but it seems that the actual locale data is maybe not installed or something.  I have nfc. :(04:53
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nomasteryodalike that nick04:55
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tricky1heres a screenshot of my problem04:59
GotD0tdid you just try browsing it?05:00
tricky1clicking on it?05:00
GotD0twell trying to open it05:00
tricky1it does nothing05:01
tricky1right clicking makes it disappear05:01
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GotD0tthat is wierd05:02
GotD0tgoogle it05:02
tricky1no help05:02
tricky1tried it05:02
nomasteryodadid you05:03
nomasteryodadoing a ls05:04
tricky1i can access if from terminal05:04
tricky1but not from a browser05:04
Agrajag-hey all, i've been using debian for some time, interested in ubuntu - if i install warty, and keep my system up to date (im assuming using apt-get update/upgrade?), when hoary comes out, would my system be the same as that? or is there a different sources.list for that or something?05:04
nomasteryodaAgrajag-: that's a question I had too05:05
nomasteryodaphrased quite well05:05
WW_MoonWatchAgrajag-: There will be different repositories for hoary.05:05
nomasteryodamakes sense05:05
WW_MoonWatchAgrajag-: But they (Ubuntu, that is) say it will be easy to upgrade from warty to hoary.05:06
Agrajag-ah ok. so you could do a dist-upgrade to hoary i guess? or similar?05:06
cef_workAgrajag-: same as if you upgrade from one release to another in debian05:06
cef_workAgrajag-: you'd probalby have to change the sources to reflect that you want hoary instead of warty, but otherwise it's pretty much the same05:07
nomasteryodais that as05:07
Agrajag-yeah ok, ta05:07
nomasteryodasudo ?05:07
nomasteryodalooks like you are using root mode to access that partition05:07
nomasteryodawhat about from a new terminal05:07
cef_workin fact, it's possible that an update couldbe produced for warty that added in the hoary source lines to sources.list (commented out) so that you could easily select them in synaptic05:08
nomasteryodathat is a good idea05:08
cef_worknomasteryoda: I just sort of thought of it.. *grin*05:10
Agrajag-in the topic it says that cds will ship in a few weeks - is that up to date? does that mean they all get shipped in a few weeks, or it gets shipped in a few weeks from when you order it?05:11
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nomasteryodagoing to give Gnoppix_warty a spin05:12
tricky1root@tuxboxrox:/home/tricky1 # umount /dev/hdc105:13
tricky1umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy05:13
tricky1oh nevermind05:13
tricky1still have nautilus up05:13
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tricky1mounting from user terminal doesn't help it either05:15
LinuxJonesg'night all05:15
nomasteryodatricky1: the permissions are wrong05:15
rileynewb question: can deb packages compiled for woody be run on ubuntu?05:15
Gmailriley: maybe05:15
nomasteryodai have gotten them to wrok05:16
nomasteryodajust installed with apt05:16
Gmailriley: its best you get the package using apt-src05:16
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rileywell i use apt-get for most05:16
rileybut not all are in apt-get05:17
tricky1nomasteryoda: this is my fstab line05:17
tricky1/dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,user         0       005:18
Gmailriley: you need to use apt-src05:18
Gmailplease read the apt guide05:18
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rileygmail: ok thanks05:19
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Gmailwoody uses gcc2.95 ubuntu uses 3.3 or 3.4 its your choice05:19
nomasteryoda/dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat umask=0,rw,user 0 005:19
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nomasteryodaumask sets your permissions so you can access the drive05:19
nomasteryodaas user05:20
Gmailriley: you need to to be completed on your sytem's lib file and woody package are old and ubuntu use new libs05:20
billytwowillyIs it just me, or is kde 3.2.3 the latest kde you can get in ubuntu?05:20
rileygmail: ok05:20
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Gmailriley: anyway the ported all of sarge to ubuntu its under universe05:20
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tricky1it works!05:21
rileygmail: cool05:21
tricky1thanks you nomasteryoda!05:21
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nomasteryodahey Linux Power05:22
nomasteryodaor Linux to the Power05:23
x43is a 64 bit processor an awesome experience computing wise ?05:23
nomasteryodawish i had one to tell ya05:23
GotD0tme too05:23
nomasteryodagetting a dual 1.6 opteron for video work ... at work05:23
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cef_workthe dual opteron behind me goes quite well05:23
x43is there a stable motherboard for the operteron yet ?05:24
nomasteryodahere, send one to...<address hidden> GA05:24
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nomasteryodax43 sure05:24
nomasteryodalook at MonarchComputers05:24
nomasteryodathe sell tons of them05:24
cef_workmain thing you notice the speed on is anything that does lots of memory moves, or heavy number crunching for things like compression05:24
nomasteryodawith Linux05:24
x43what motherboard do you suggest ?05:24
cef_workTyan S2882 works well, but the onboard video is crap05:24
nomasteryodayea, get an Nvidia 8x AGP for that05:25
cef_workserverworks chipsets tend to be the most stable for dual opteron's05:25
punkassi am using some Linuxant modem drivers, and i am having the problem of /dev/modem symlink being removed after a reboot..the guys from linuxant said I can add hsfstop and hsfconfig -a to my init scripts05:25
x43cef is it ok if i msg you ?05:25
punkasshow would i go about doing that..is it something to do with update-rc.d?05:25
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MagicFabLooking for some advice to add Ubuntu as a 3rd OS to my system05:28
=== tricky1 <3's Ubuntu
tricky1now that I've got it working05:29
MagicFabI'd like to know what's the best way to go if I already have a dual boot Win + Mdk10 system05:29
tricky1windows doesn't seem the same05:29
GotD0tthats because its not05:29
nomasteryodatricky1: yup05:29
caleb_how do i read a .sgml file?05:29
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nomasteryodawindows seems somehow much smaller, confined05:30
nomasteryodalike being in prison cell05:30
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caleb_arent there special reader apps for sgml files?05:30
nomasteryodaor something05:30
tricky1too bad I need windows to run Visual Basic05:30
GotD0twhy doy ou need to run VB?05:30
tricky1I'm going to endup failing that class05:30
GotD0tI can help...05:30
tricky1I dontunderstand variables and stuff05:30
GotD0thow can you not understand variables?05:30
cef_workx43: sure..05:31
cef_worksorry was getting some food05:31
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nomasteryodaok, if you're going to discuss a MS product, open a new tab... ack05:31
rileytricky1: so you're capable of editing fstab but you don't know how to program?05:31
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GotD0tpretty funny05:31
odinsonHello.  Just wanted to say Ubuntu's installer and default config is the best in my 6 years of Linux05:32
GotD0tamen to that05:32
nomasteryodait is pretty damn good05:33
nomasteryodaugly, but very effective05:33
odinsonI think I hit enter like 5 times.05:33
rileyyeah, i've been using linux for six months and I've tried 10-15 distros and none of them quite satisfied me except ubuntu05:33
nomasteryodaheck, i've done about 15 installs05:33
cef_workthe hardest bit is always partitioning05:33
nomasteryodavery easy05:33
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nomasteryodamy brother made the move to ubuntu05:34
MagicFabSpeakin gof partitioning...05:34
rileyit was made a little bit harder by my weird mobo chipset, but that goes for any distro05:34
nomasteryodafrom knoppix05:34
odinsonUnfortunatly It doesn't seem to know what to do with a sound card/onboard sound combo05:34
MagicFabDoes the install provide tools for repartitioning an existing dual boot Win + Mdk10 ?05:34
odinsonI've got 3 different things in my mixer.  DOh.05:34
MagicFabAny suggestions on how to best keep those two intact ?05:34
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nomasteryodaMagicFab: go download Hirems05:35
WWHello world.05:39
nomasteryodaMagicFab: boot cd05:39
nomasteryodait has lots of tools ... including Partition Magic 8.205:39
nomasteryoda...helps a bunch05:39
MagicFabHirems ?05:39
WWI've been scanning the Nautilus manual, and discovered the fonts:/// URI, which lets you see all the fonts on your system.05:39
nomasteryodalet me get u url05:39
MagicFabNot finding anything with google05:39
kenhello, any idea on Gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 (warty) ?05:39
WWAccording to the manual, double-clicking on a font should provide a preview.05:39
nomasteryodaken, is that the one that's out?05:39
WWBut instead, an error window pops up.05:39
nomasteryodaif so, I got it05:39
kenjust out05:39
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nomasteryodagot it05:39
WWDoes it work for anyone else?05:39
nomasteryodaken, going to check it out05:39
keni'm not sure what's its difference from Ubuntu 4.10 live cd05:39
kapputuhi all05:39
kapputujust back from a fresh install on an ext 305:39
GotD0thi kapputu05:39
GotD0thow'd that go05:39
kapputuprevious one on ext2 got corrupted05:39
kapputuit was good05:39
MagicFabSo.. I know about partition tools05:39
kapputuhad some probs first up05:39
punkassWW: I get a can't display Location error05:39
kapputuit's been slow05:39
MagicFabI was just wondering what would be the best way to go if I already have coexisting Win98 + Mdk1005:39
WWpunkass: Is that when you enter fonts:/// ?05:39
kapputuand the eth0 failed05:39
kapputuso I couldn't download packages from the net05:39
kapputudon't know what I missed05:39
kapputuI'm going to do a sudo base-config05:39
punkassWW: i can enter there...and there is the icons of each font with the letters Aa but when I double click on one i get that error05:39
odinsonDoes anyon know the best way to submit bugs??05:40
WWpunkass: Right.05:40
WWodinson: channel topic05:40
kapputuGotDot it's really slow05:40
nomasteryodaMagicFab: is Mandrake controlling the boot with lilo?05:40
kapputufirefox takes like ages05:40
MagicFabnomasteryoda> yes05:40
nomasteryodaMagicFab: and is installed in the MBR05:41
WWpunkass: I guess I'm off to the Villa Bugzilla.  See you there, odinson :)05:41
MagicFabnomasteryoda> yes in the MBR05:41
punkassWW: hehe05:41
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kapputuhow do I delete a character in vi ?05:41
nomasteryodaMagicFab: when you change the partitions...i.e. add one05:41
punkassKamion: u around?05:42
nomasteryodamandrake should see it on boot ...05:42
MagicFabAll space is already allocated. My /home is the biggest .05:42
WWodinson: Longer answer (didn't mean to sound curt): You can file bugs at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/05:42
nomasteryodaMagicFab: Pqmagic can resize ext305:43
nomasteryodaand ext205:43
nomasteryodaso you could allocate 2gb05:43
nomasteryodafor it05:43
nomasteryodafrom the right side of your home part05:43
MagicFabis there anything I should do (besides backup) before attempting that ? "defrag'ing" ?05:43
odinsonno worries TY05:43
nomasteryodaif you really torq it up, you can mod using a bootable05:43
kougar_DVBAnyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :(05:43
nomasteryodanot needed05:44
punkasswhere on ubuntu can i put something so it starts on boot up?05:44
nomasteryodaunless you are resizing win9805:44
MagicFabNo, the win98 will stay intact05:44
nomasteryodathen don't defrag05:44
punkasslike rc.local or something05:44
nomasteryodalinux does not need that05:44
punkassbut there is no rc.local05:45
MagicFabI already have Mdk10 setup05:46
MagicFabcan I use the existing swap partition ?05:47
nomasteryodalet Ubuntu format the swap05:47
MagicFabWill I have to creat 3 new partitions (including swap) to use Ubuntu ?05:47
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nomasteryodayou can "share" the swap05:47
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nomasteryodahey, there's my Gnoppix_warty login05:48
MagicFabFor example, if I resize my current /home, can I creat 2 new partitions (Ubuntu root and Ubunto /home) and share the existing swap ?05:48
humprinchanyone know how to stop my laptop fan from turning on so much?05:48
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nomasteryodaMagicFab: you could05:48
nomasteryodaif wanted05:48
nomasteryodafor transient distros I let them keep home under /05:49
nomasteryodaon same partition as /05:49
nomasteryodatransient here meaning testing05:49
MagicFabnot sure what you mean05:49
MagicFabfor "testing" distros ?05:49
kapputuubuntu is very slow on ext305:50
MagicFabtoo used to creating 3 everytime05:50
kapputuwith a 500 MB swap05:50
MagicFabgood point05:50
nomasteryodayou do not need to have a separate home partition05:50
nomasteryodaunless you want05:50
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MagicFabso in theory I could use thexisting swap, and only create 1 new partition to host both / and /home together05:50
nomasteryodaworks for me05:50
nomasteryodai have some 2GB drives05:50
MagicFabwe'll see :)05:50
nomasteryodawith Ubuntu05:50
kougar_DVBAnyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :( /msg me if you can help05:50
nomasteryodaonly / and /swap05:51
MagicFabkougar_DVB>  did u search in the forums ?05:51
kougar_DVByeah I been looking05:51
nomasteryodaMagicFab: I have Suse, Mdk10.1, WinXP, Slack10, and Ubuntu on my laptop05:52
nomasteryodaall bootable05:52
MagicFabwhat's your boot manager ?05:52
GotD0tkapputu: hows it seem so slow?05:52
nomasteryoda... from Ubuntu05:53
nomasteryodait is very good at seeing the other distros05:53
nomasteryodaand adding them ...automagically05:53
GotD0ti love that word05:53
MagicFabDo you think Grub will recognize my Win98 & Mdk10 if I have it replace my current boot manager ?05:53
punkassman the debian room is a vicious place05:58
punkassi just ask one question and some ass starts raggin' on me cuz i am using ubuntu and not debian and they are totally different05:58
kapputuwhere is the kernel source installed ?05:58
nomasteryodaMagicFab: what order are your partitions?05:58
kapputuI mean the path05:58
nomasteryodaaren't they under /usr/src/Linux05:58
MagicFab1-win98 2-/ 3-home 4-swap05:58
nomasteryodaMagicFab: cool05:58
MagicFabnomasteryoda> tx. for taking this time05:59
nomasteryodai do it on our lug group most nights05:59
nomasteryodahelps me too05:59
kapputui tried to install cisco vpn client05:59
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kapputubut I get an error05:59
kapputuok how do I install the kernel source06:00
xskoulaxsup people?06:00
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kapputuok how do I install the kernel source06:00
nomasteryodakapputu: apt-get install kernel-source ?06:01
x43other than monarch computers is there another place that sells linux certified opteron boxes ?  they had one that started around $650 but as it is preconfigured in the options it came out to alot more.06:01
nomasteryodaer, i'm sure06:01
nomasteryodathere is06:01
kapputui guess it's linux-headers06:02
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rccjoin #gluch06:08
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Gmailcan i use some of hoary's package already?06:08
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kapputuhey ppl06:08
Gmailrcc: is a spammer06:09
kapputuI'm getting an error trying to install vpnclient06:09
GotD0treally gmail, you figured that out all by yourself?06:10
HrdwrBoBhoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet06:10
HrdwrBoBin the topic06:10
GmailHrdwrBoB: i know06:11
Gmailbut some package should be ready06:12
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HrdwrBoBGmail: no06:14
mdzkapputu: linux-headers-`uname-r`; it's in the FAQ06:15
GmailHrdwrBoB: why?06:15
GotD0tbecause he said so06:16
Gmaili am talking about one app06:16
Gmailxchat 2.406:16
Gmailif its complete it should work06:16
Gmailwell at lest from source06:16
kapputuyep got that06:16
kapputumdz I need some help06:17
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kapputuI get an error in insmod saying that -l is an invalid format06:18
kapputuit's not inserting a module I installed06:18
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TheMusoGmail: Fetch the source package from Deiban unstable sources and rebuild.06:18
blahrusanyone know how to get rar installed on x86-6406:18
GmailTheMuso: ok06:19
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Gmailso i'll add it to my sources.list and use apt-src06:19
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nathanieldelaneyhey.  my friends windows xp box has been ravaged by many users and is now so bad that he wants to reinstall, and he also wants to install ubuntu next to it.  what's the best strategy for installing both OSes to work together06:20
GotD0tXP first06:20
GotD0totherwise it wont work06:20
defendguinis anyone using NetworkManager?06:21
nathanieldelaney(every time i install linux next to xp, something gets screwed up.  at the moment im trying to get hal.dll reisntalled on windows)06:21
nathanieldelaneyxp first chronologicially or xp at the beginning of the drive?06:21
Gmailnathanieldelaney: why not forget about xp06:21
GotD0tafaik, windows wont work if its not the first thing on the drive06:21
Gmailand just use ubuntu06:21
GotD0tgmail: why not leave your comments to yourself06:21
nathanieldelaneyI might do that myself06:21
bur[n] erGotD0t: it will work to do ubuntu first :P  just have to rerun grub :)06:21
nathanieldelaneybut my friend is stuck on xp06:22
xskoulaxnathanieldelaney: install windows first, on the first partition06:22
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Gmaili say install ubuntu get (what its name vm-ware?) and run win xp under linux06:22
bur[n] errerunning grub isn't too hard with the live cd... but yeah.. i'll shut up... for newbs... install xp, then linux06:22
GotD0tbur[n] er from what i understand windows wont run if its not on the first partition06:22
bur[n] ervmware isn't free06:22
bur[n] erthere are free trials.. but that sucks06:23
Gmailits a lot more fun having not have to reboot to get into linux or xp06:23
bur[n] erand qemu is slow :\06:23
Gmailbur[n] er: there is a cheap one i here like $1506:23
bur[n] erGotD0t: works for me on another partition06:23
nathanieldelaneyI would like to have xp because my college class registration has hangups in ubuntu - its optimized for ie06:23
bur[n] erGmail: free is a lot better than $1506:23
bur[n] ersave $15 and reboot is a better option for me06:24
nathanieldelaneyand macromeida authorware, my school's teaching tool, isnt available for linus06:24
GotD0tbur[n] er really? either you're very lucky or they changed it06:24
nomasteryodaGotD0t: on the contrary06:24
nomasteryodaI have Windows 2k on my 3rd HD06:24
nomasteryoda... boots fine06:24
nathanieldelaneyhe's talking partitions06:24
bur[n] erGotD0t: i've always run it this way... maybe it's a grub/lilo thing?  or an autodetect thing that messes up?06:24
nomasteryodausing lilo to do the boot06:24
Gmailand linux is way better than xp and is free06:25
nomasteryodaworks the same...mostly06:25
bur[n] erlinux is way better than xp?06:25
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nomasteryodaGmail: certainly is better than XP06:25
xskoulaxnathanieldelaney: i would suggest a fat32 partition also so you have someway of sharing stuff on linux and windows06:25
Gmaili rather save $200 and run a better os06:25
nomasteryodanathanieldelaney: go out and buy crossoveroffice06:25
nomasteryodathen install IE06:25
nomasteryodafor that06:25
GotD0tgmail: we heard you the first time... but some people cant do that06:25
nomasteryodait's worth the $4006:25
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kapputuanyone got experience with Cisco VPN client ?06:26
bur[n] ers/in/if06:26
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Gmaillinux to winblows is like choc to poo06:26
bur[n] erkapputu: on windows sure... not linux06:26
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xskoulaxbur[n] er:  linux is superior, but its only better if you can do everything you need to do on it, if you need macromedia authorware xp is better;)06:26
bur[n] erto each their own with regard to OS06:26
bur[n] eror if you need outlook :\06:26
lifelessGmail: you have chocolate poo?06:26
bur[n] erthat's my issue... only reason i have xp on my laptop06:27
bur[n] erotherwise all 4 of my boxes would be linux06:27
xskoulaxoutlook yuck06:27
bur[n] erxskoulax: tell me about it :\06:27
Cube-nessnobody needs macromedia authorware06:27
bur[n] eri have to use it06:27
geppyDoesn't Macromedia stuff run through WINE?06:27
bur[n] ergeppy: through crossover office i think... but not wine iirc06:28
nathanieldelaneywhats wine?06:28
bur[n] erwine is not an emulator06:28
nathanieldelaney(the flash plugin works, but not the authorware plugin)06:28
GotD0twine is not an emulator06:28
bur[n] erheh :)06:28
Cube-nessschools that force people into any specific os shoul dbe ignored.. hehe06:28
GotD0tbeat ya that time06:28
bur[n] erwhoa... gettin scary now06:28
xskoulaxnathanieldelaney: wine acts like a translator for windows programs06:28
nathanieldelaneyso by definition, wine is everything that cannot be defined as an emulator06:28
nathanieldelaneyis wine free?06:28
xskoulaxallowing some to run on linux boxes06:28
Gmaillifeless: i said linux compard to winblows is like choc comparted to poo06:29
nathanieldelaneyas in price free?06:29
bur[n] ernathanieldelaney: wine starcraft.exe and it works06:29
bur[n] ernathanieldelaney: wine is free... crossover office... (commercial version) is not but it runs more stuff06:29
nomasteryodanathanieldelaney: yes06:29
nomasteryodai have run both06:29
bur[n] erand "cedega" (formerly WineX) is not free either (commercial for gaming)06:29
nomasteryodaand the commercial product is far superior06:29
bur[n] erdefinately06:29
nomasteryodai have my Macromedia MX06:30
nomasteryodaand Office 200306:30
nomasteryodainstalled on it06:30
bur[n] erwine will run like 'sol.exe' (solitaire) but it has issues with say quickbooks06:30
nathanieldelaneyon wine?06:30
bur[n] ernomasteryoda: any luck with outlook 2003?06:30
nomasteryodause it at work06:30
bur[n] ereverything work?06:30
nomasteryodaseems to06:30
geppyCedega works well with some things, but it's absolute crap with the rest (I spend almost all of my time in #Cedega... argh, that's  a frustrating channel).  =)06:30
geppyWhy would anyone, anywhere, ever want to run outlook?06:30
nomasteryodageppy: my sentiments06:30
bur[n] ercould i forward an outlook calendar event to you and see if it works?06:30
nomasteryodaor sediments06:30
bur[n] erit's the one reason i keep windows06:31
nomasteryodai have windows on another box06:31
bur[n] ergeppy: see above :\06:31
nomasteryodafor video processing06:31
geppyDo you enjoy virii?06:31
nomasteryodawho, me?06:31
nomasteryodanever get them06:31
bur[n] ergeppy: virii can come on any os... and a machine is only as secure as its admin06:31
nomasteryodai keep US DOD grade Norton AV on it06:31
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geppyOutlook can't be secured.06:31
nomasteryodaand do not...DO not Surf the web with it06:31
Cube-nessdid that line just say "blah blah blahbity blah blah"?06:32
bur[n] erno?06:32
bur[n] eri've NEVER had a windows virus06:32
bur[n] eri use it day in and day out06:32
nomasteryodabur[n] er: you surf safely06:32
bur[n] erso quit spoutin FUD... even if it's against the bad guys ;)06:32
HrdwrBoBI don't give a flying frig about viruses06:32
Cube-ness"blah blah secure as admin bla blah"06:32
nathanieldelaneyive had windows browser hijacked, but never a virus06:32
HrdwrBoBusing windows = pain06:32
HrdwrBoBit's terribly inflexible.06:32
nomasteryodabur[n] er: if you know what you are doing, then any OS can be secured...06:32
geppyI highly doubt that any Windows user in existence has never had a virus.06:32
bur[n] erusing windows w/firefox == ok ;)06:32
geppyAs in, I'm 100% sure that that's not sure.06:33
HrdwrBoBas far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the story06:33
nathanieldelaneyive never had a virus06:33
nomasteryodabur[n] er: and Gimp06:33
geppyOutlook is not an OS,.06:33
bur[n] erand openoffice06:33
nathanieldelaneymy dad did when I was 15ish06:33
nomasteryodaOUTLOOK SUCKS06:33
nathanieldelaneywhich was 4 years ago06:33
x43windows always breaks though.  reinstall every 1-2 months.  something just stops working like its supposed to06:33
nomasteryodagranularity of mbox format is far superior06:33
nathanieldelaneynot is you use spywareSD06:33
nomasteryodax43: yes06:33
HrdwrBoBnomasteryoda: new outlook is not so bad06:33
nathanieldelaneysome open source guru had compassion on windows users06:33
HrdwrBoBnomasteryoda: outlook 2000 and below is a terrible travesty06:34
nomasteryodaHrdwrBoB: yea, i have to use it too06:34
bur[n] ernew outlook has great spam filtering06:34
nomasteryodabur[n] er: er, no it doens't06:34
bur[n] erno?06:34
bur[n] erworks well for me06:34
nomasteryodai use SpamBayes06:34
Cube-nessthe thing is.. most people that make a$$es of themselves defending MS Windows are really just in love with an app or two, and likely spend 95% of their computing time in those apps.. so its the apps they like06:34
nomasteryodamake it even better06:34
bur[n] erhrm... i dont' get that much spam ;)06:34
nomasteryodaCube-ness: true06:34
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Cube-nessnot 'the plethora of apps'.. just 'a couple key apps'06:35
=== bur[n] er likes windows xp's wireless networking utility
GotD0ti heard the wireless networking utility was utter crap06:35
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adoyretsamonlike Macromedia Dreamweaver06:35
adoyretsamongot to have that06:35
bur[n] erand windows' firefox openoffice, gaim, gimp, and xchat ;)06:35
geppyXP's net connect in the systray is nice.06:35
GotD0tas in... it keeps dropping the connection06:35
geppyThat's all that I really like about Windows.06:35
Cube-nessi wouldnt use dreamweaver. hehe..06:35
adoyretsamongeppy, you mean like in Mandrake 10.106:35
GotD0tbut i wouldnt know... as im wired to my router06:36
bur[n] erGotD0t: depends on the firmware of your router and card06:36
bur[n] ermine's pretty solid06:36
nathanieldelaneymost people like windows because they learned how to use it already06:36
GotD0tthats cool06:36
bur[n] erback to ubuntu... anyone get gparted to work with it yet?06:36
geppyadoyretsamon:  Haven't used Mandrake 10.1.  What're you referring to?06:36
xskoulaxnathanieldelaney: that hits it right on the head06:36
bur[n] erby using libgcc1 1.4 from experimental?06:36
adoyretsamonthe tray icon06:36
adoyretsamonfor networking06:36
adoyretsamonworks great06:36
nathanieldelaneyif it werent for the huge market share, windows would be in the garbage can06:37
adoyretsamongeppy, someone called me a distro tester just today06:37
bur[n] ermandrake based on kde or gnome?06:37
adoyretsamonbut gnome is there too06:37
nathanieldelaneywhy did the first mass distributed os have to be Quick and Dirty OS?06:37
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bur[n] eri like kde's lil networking applet06:37
adoyretsamonnathanieldelaney, lol06:37
adoyretsamonbur[n] er, yea that had another name06:37
geppyadoyretsamon:  heh06:38
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nathanieldelaneyis that a joke name?06:39
adoyretsamonbefore kde integrated it06:39
bur[n] erknemo ;)06:39
nathanieldelaneyI heard it was actually called that first, because they had to slop it together for an ibm deadline or soemthing06:39
bur[n] eri saw it on kde-apps, if that's what you're talking about06:39
xskoulaxi like ubuntu's wireless, has my dlink dwl-650G working :D, took me a while to sort it out but i think thats more to do with me being a little dense;)06:39
nomasteryodaworks nice06:39
bur[n] eri wish ubuntu would load my ipw2100 driver the right way06:39
nomasteryodaxskoulax: wireless is not all it's  cracked up to be...esp on winders06:39
bur[n] eri always have to rmmod it and modprobe it to make it work06:39
bur[n] eranyone else have this issue on a centrino?06:39
bur[n] erit's happened with with every linux distro i've tried06:39
nomasteryodawish i had a centrino to worry about06:39
Gmailitjustworks.tm is going to boght for ubuntu if i raise enuff money06:39
bur[n] erand even when i compiled the ipw2100.sf.net project by hand06:39
GotD0ti like my wired connection... never fails06:39
nomasteryodaGotD0t: lol06:40
GotD0tonly configuration required is my IP and im solid06:40
nomasteryodai like scrolling down my Synaptic to find packages to install...06:40
nomasteryodaGotD0t: mine's DHCP...06:40
nomasteryodano config there06:40
xskoulaxGotD0t: i like wired too, but its annoying to have wires all around when its not needed06:40
xskoulaxand besides my laptop sits 5 feet from the wireless router06:41
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xskoulaxso connection is very good06:41
GotD0twell my router and cable modem are hooked up in my room... so having a wireless connection would be pointless06:41
GotD0tconsidering i use a desktop06:41
nomasteryodaGotD0t: mine too06:41
xskoulaxwell yes wireless desktop is a concept that annoys me somewhat06:41
bur[n] erreferring to topic... hoary is being merged... does that mean packages will show up in the ubuntu repository?  or is it a special seperate repo?06:42
GotD0tI could use DHCP, but i like always knowing which one which computer is assigned06:42
nomasteryodaGotD0t: i set my IPs per MAC in the router table06:42
nomasteryodaso they always get the same06:42
nomasteryodausing wrt54g hacked06:43
nomasteryodaand my wifi cards are set in there too06:43
GotD0tthats cool06:43
nomasteryodayea... but of course the MACs could be sniffed06:44
nomasteryoda... but makes me feel more secure06:44
nomasteryodaor at least in control06:44
HrdwrBoBWEP not enough for you?06:44
nomasteryodaWEP can be hacked too06:45
HrdwrBoBif anyone breaks into my wireless network, they deserve all the shitty 512k access they can get06:45
HrdwrBoBesp since I'm on the 10th floor06:45
nomasteryodajust setup a card to snarf the AP and you become the router/AP06:45
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nomasteryodagrab the encrypted packets... and keys... and boom06:45
nomasteryodaWEP means crap06:46
psyklopsach! mein boxen belongen zu de hakencrakers06:46
HrdwrBoBoh noes06:46
psyklopshey guys06:46
GotD0thows it going pysk06:46
HrdwrBoBmy megahutrz have been stoeled06:46
GotD0toh no06:46
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psyklopsuh, I just ran chkrootkit and got some bad signs, but I can't be sure06:46
GotD0twhat hurts?06:46
psyklopsit reports some hidden processors and a "possible LKM trojan"06:47
Pizbitpsyklops: rkhunter too?06:47
psyklopsnope... couldn't get rkhunter06:47
Pizbitpsyklops: Ahh, there's some debian related stuff in there, google I did ti ages back06:47
nomasteryodaand the LKM ... i see that too06:47
nomasteryodagoogle it06:48
thoreauputicpsyklops: chkrootkit has been known to report false positives (understatement)06:48
psyklopsI know...06:48
psyklopsthats why I'm not sure06:48
GotD0twhat is chkrootkit?06:48
psyklopsI started getting suspicious earlier today though06:48
Pizbitthoreauputic: That must be why I've heard people say to try rkhunter too06:48
psyklopsmy processor was pegged at full usage at boot06:48
nomasteryodasounds like a windows machine...06:48
psyklopsit's stopped now though06:48
bur[n] erwrt54g hacked????06:49
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bur[n] erdifferent firmware?06:49
nomasteryodalet me get URL06:49
ficusplanetIs there anyway I can remove the About Ubuntu... and Help options from the menu?06:50
geppyWhat's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?06:50
bur[n] eractually... nevermind... i have a wgr614 :\06:50
geppyficusplanet:  Right-click + "Remove from Panel"06:50
bur[n] ergaim plugins?06:50
GotD0tquestion... whats the point of having the ability to look at digi photos on an MP3 player?06:50
ficusplanetgeppy, You can't right click on the menu items I mentioned, unfortunately.06:50
bur[n] ergeppy: you want one that isn't already there?06:50
bur[n] erGotD0t: selling point?06:50
geppyficusplanet:   You sure?  It works for me.06:51
XipI'm unable to right click on those two either06:51
x43i can't seem to get my printer to work06:51
ficusplanetOne the Applications menu?06:51
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geppybur[n] er:  Erm, yeah.  Guifications, GAIM-XMMS-Remote, SmartEar...06:51
GotD0tbur[n] er no, i mean... what use would someone have... i mean who looks at pictures while listening to music... usually when im listening to my mp3 player im doing something other than staring at the player06:51
geppyficusplanet: oh06:51
thoreauputicficusplanet: why do you want to remove them, just out of interest?06:51
nomasteryodabur[n] er:06:51
nomasteryodaFirmware Version: Satori-4.0 v2.07.1.7sv06:51
x43i downloaded a PPD file driver for me lexmark all in one printer and no output to printer06:51
geppyficusplanet:  hold on06:51
ficusplanetthoreauputic, Just to clean up the menu a bit.  I never use them.06:52
thoreauputicficusplanet: ah, OK I see06:52
bur[n] ernomasteryoda: think it'd work on a wgr614?06:52
nomasteryodawouldn't  try it06:52
nomasteryodathey should have one for that model too06:53
ficusplanetIf nothing else, I'd like to figure out how to change the icon of the About Ubuntu... because it is uglyifying my new Nuvola icons.06:53
PizbitYeah, you can't right-click on the primary menu06:53
PizbitOnly the sub-menus06:53
geppyficusplanet:  I can't remember where, hold on a bit longer.06:53
nomasteryodabur[n] er: well, maybe not...as it's a netgear06:53
bur[n] eryeah... i dunno06:53
bur[n] eri'm kinda weary to test it06:53
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DrelWhat's the easiest way to install the flash plugin for firefox under Ubuntu? Is there a way to install it via apt-get?06:54
bur[n] eri want cool port mapping though... where i can have different internal ports to externals06:54
GotD0thow do you add a page counter to the top of each page in OO.org?06:54
psyklopsrkhunter says I'm all clear06:54
bur[n] erdoesn't ubuntu have .10 again?  or is it still reverted to .9.3?06:54
geppyDrel: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla06:54
nomasteryodageppy: thanks06:54
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Drelgeppy: Aha! Thanks. :)06:55
geppyficusplanet:  It's somewhere in your .stuff, I think... I don'06:55
geppyknow, I'm used to the RedHat setup, which is apparently different.06:55
geppyYeah, that's why I switched.  =)06:56
geppyTons and tons of wasted time building RPMs for an apt repository, too.06:56
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punkasscan anyone recommend a gui interface to wvdial...or for using a dialup modem?06:57
geppyWhat's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?06:57
ficusplanetpunkass, gnome-ppp or gnome-system-tools06:57
punkasswell the build it gnome one..just doesnt seem to work06:58
punkassill try gnome-ppp thanks06:58
lifelesspunkass: gnome syste tools06:58
Gmailmirror.isp.net.au is emty06:58
Gmailnot down06:58
Gmailbrowse it06:59
HrdwrBoBempty =~ down06:59
GotD0tgmail: whatever happened to your repository?06:59
GmailGotD0t: people want it?06:59
GotD0ti was joking06:59
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geppyWhen is GAIM 1.02 coming out for Ubuntu?07:00
Gmaili guess most people will swap to hoary07:00
GotD0tgood question07:00
Gmailgeppy in hoary07:00
nomasteryodageppy, do you feel ignored?07:00
geppynomasteryoda:  heh... =)07:00
HrdwrBoBgeppy: wait for a few days07:00
HrdwrBoBthen ask that question again07:00
geppyHrdwrBoB:  haha... Alright.07:00
geppyIn the meantime... Does anyone know how to install a GAIM plugin?  ;)07:00
ficusplanetgeppy, from source?07:01
GotD0tcheck their site... they should have info bout it07:01
stuNNedis there large repo's for ubuntu?07:01
ficusplanetstuNNed, Yes.  12,000 pieces of software, roughly.07:01
geppyficusplanet:  Alright.  Now, how do you do it without breaking Ubuntu?  :)07:01
stuNNedficusplanet: thanks, is there a place on the web i can browse?07:02
geppyGotD0t:  I'm just rephrasing my question, "What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?"07:02
punkassficusplanet: would it be better for me to use debians gnome=pp or build it from source?07:02
nomasteryodastuNNed: just load up synaptic07:02
nomasteryodaand search the list07:02
geppypunkass:  debian's07:02
stuNNednomasteryoda: whoa, ok07:02
ficusplanetgeppy, AFAIK, you have to rebuild gaim from source to build plugins becauce the headers don't seem to come with the Ubuntu packages.07:02
geppyficusplanet:  They don't have a gaim-dev package, or anything cool like that?07:03
ficusplanetNope.  I noticed that when I was trying to build nautilus-send-to07:03
geppySpeaking of which, where's a good place to go to learn how to build a .deb?  Any websites, or manpages?07:03
ficusplanetThe debian site has some decent documentation on it.07:04
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geppyficusplanet:  Thanks.07:04
geppyficusplanet:  Wait, nautilus-send-to is functional, now?07:04
ficusplanetIf you have the gaim-plugin, yes.  It's pretty nice.07:04
geppyheh, cool07:04
ficusplanetThe only problem for me is the lack of AIM file transfers in Gaim.07:05
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geppyficusplanet:  AIM file transfer works.07:05
geppyficusplanet:  Are you updated07:05
ficusplanetgeppy, It has never worked for me.  Could that just be because I'm behind a router?07:05
nomasteryodaneed the port opened up07:06
geppyficusplanet:   Possibly.  Are you blocking any ports?  GAIM's AIM file transfer works for me, and I'm behind a standard Lynksys router.07:06
nomasteryodalike dcc in irc07:06
GotD0tficusplanet: you have to enable port forwarding to whatever the port is for file transfers07:06
ficusplanetWhat port do I need to open?07:06
GotD0tthat is a good question07:06
ficusplanetI have forwarding set up for apache.07:07
geppyficusplanet:  from the AIM site: This may be due to the use of a firewall on your network.  A firewall is a security device on your  network to prevent potentially harmful data from coming in, and to prevent certain other data from going out.   Depending on how a firewall is configured, it may prevent AIM file transfer from working.  There is nothing AIM  can do to get around this, as it is just the feature of the firewall working as it shoul07:07
geppyPerhaps you can set it up in GAIM somewhere to use a different port.07:08
nomasteryodageppy: look here for the port07:08
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geppynomasteryoda:  thanks07:08
nomasteryodawhole list of em07:08
geppynomasteryoda:  That says AIM talk, not file transfer; they don't use the same, do they?07:08
HrdwrBoBno, they don't07:10
Gmailok i now the problem with mirror.isp.net.au just use ftp with them there ftp > http thing stuffed up07:10
stuNNedcan ubuntu be used as a server?07:10
geppystuNNed: Yes.07:10
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: yes.07:10
x43ubantu is not communicating with my printer and i installed the drive in the PPD directory it suggested07:11
stuNNedgeppy: HrdwrBoB, thanks07:11
geppystuNNed: IF you want a server, though, go with standard Debian.  More stable, more secure.07:11
HrdwrBoBgeppy: and about 17 years old07:11
stuNNedgeppy ok thanks07:11
HrdwrBoBIMHO.. better off with ubuntu07:11
x43Debian is so hard to install though without a gui i dont have the experience to build from scratch07:11
izaacgreat! i got j2sdk1.3 working!07:11
HrdwrBoBrecent releases of software07:11
geppyx43:  Did you use the Printin GUI?07:11
x43i sure did07:11
HrdwrBoBwith security updates07:11
x43it prompted me for the location of the PPD file07:11
geppyHrdwrBoB: Better off with Ubuntu for a desktop, agreed... for a server, different story, methinks.07:11
x43the only one on the system was .gz'ed07:11
HrdwrBoBgeppy: to run ANYTHING useful, you need to run at least testing07:12
x43so i ungz'ed it and selected it and it said it was already installed07:12
geppyx43: heh, didn't do that to me.  It wouldn't auto-detect your printer?  What kind of printer do you have?07:12
x43lexmark 1150 suggested drive 110007:12
geppyHrdwrBoB:  Eh, if you're just running Apache and MySQL, though...07:12
ficusplanetDoes anyone know how I can start a movie at a specific position in MPlayer?07:12
geppyx43:  I don't know what to say, sorry.07:12
geppyficusplanet:  man mplayer07:13
HrdwrBoBgeppy: and a kernel built in the 60s07:13
ficusplanetgeppy, I am RTFMing.  I can't find what I need, though.07:13
x43considering this opteron machine purchase07:13
HrdwrBoBx43: opterons++07:13
HrdwrBoBwe're about to get a dual 242 system07:14
x43when will i see the benefits of the opteron processor under linux ?07:14
geppyficusplanet:  I just said that'd be a good place to look, because I don't know.  Tried google?07:14
geppyHrdwrBoB:  heh07:14
HrdwrBoBx43: after you install it07:14
geppyHow does one sign on as an Ubuntu packager?07:14
HrdwrBoBgeppy: #ubuntu-devel07:14
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x43so even a opteron 2800 is decent enough speedwise ?  my father has a xp 2800 and its a bit slow.07:15
Cube-nessslow? uh, slow at what?07:15
HrdwrBoBx43: an opteron 2800 is a next generation chip from the XP07:15
XipAnd here I thought I was spoiled with my 1.3 Tbird07:15
x43its running windows so you never know.. its kind of meant to be slow overall in its desktop functionality07:16
geppyx43:  I have a 2500+, never had problems with it.  2800+ is anything but slow.07:16
HrdwrBoBit will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster07:16
geppyx43: heh, yeah07:16
HrdwrBoBgeppy: it's not fast though07:16
HrdwrBoBI have a 2800+ at home07:16
nomasteryodaficusplanet: mplayer07:16
nomasteryodaficusplanet: mplayer -chapter <chapter id>07:16
nathanieldelaneycan I get wine with a package install or do I need to install some other way?07:16
geppyHrdwrBoB:  Oh?  I run Doom3 fine, as well as compiling whatnot, I've never had trouble with my trusty 2500+.  May not be the _fastest_, but it's _fast_.07:16
Cube-nessx43, the xp 2800 is not a slow cpu.. either your seeing things, or theres something very wrong07:17
ficusplanetnomasteryoda, No chapters.  It's just an avi.07:17
x43well its not terribly slow07:17
jiveraIs there anything in the Ubuntu live cd that would restrict commercial retail?07:17
geppyjivera:  No.07:17
jiverageppy: Thanks.07:17
Zindarnathanieldelaney: apt-get install wine if you have universe enabled07:17
x43but i want to know compared to an opteron 2800 running 64bit linux07:17
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geppyAre there going to be updates between now and hoary?07:18
Cube-nessx43, unless your talking about compiling things or some such, you shouldnt even be able to really tell much "general" difference07:18
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geppyOr are updates going to be done in bunches?07:18
x43i see so perhaps a standard mobile xp would be more cost efficient for my needs07:19
geppySpeaking of which, are there any Linux-capable gaming-worthy laptops out there?07:19
x43i can clock it at 2.4ghz using cooler07:19
nathanieldelaneyzindar: thanks07:19
Cube-nesswhy bother?07:19
Cube-nesswhat is it you need all that power for anyway?07:20
nomasteryodahey, power is everything07:20
x43well the processor is only $10707:20
x43the motherboard would be $25 used07:21
Cube-ness"man.. i can type my emails so much faster with this new cpu!"07:21
x43it supports sata07:21
GotD0t"oh man, IRC messages show up 1/10th of a millisecond faster"07:21
GotD0tI'm happy with my 1.8 ghz p407:22
geppyActually, due to monitor refresh rates, the message would show up at the same time.  The sound might be a little faster, though.  =)07:22
x43i have this complex from when i was a small kid in the 80's.  all my friends had faster computer and modems that i did.  i was always running things that were out of date.07:22
x43remember when the price difference between 1200 baud modems and 2400 baud modems was greatly significant ?07:23
Cube-nessyeah. but nowadays, 'out of date' is still plenty for the vast majority of stuff07:23
x43i worked for a while month as kid just to get that 1200 baud modem07:23
GotD0twell... i wasnt around for the greater part of the 80's07:23
x43i guess in my mind i had considered -- what could i do with all that power ?07:24
Cube-nessx43, hehei had a 300baud modem for my c64.. never had another modem till i got my first x86 with a 33.8k modem07:24
thoreauputicNostalgia for ed: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt07:24
Cube-ness33.6..or whatever07:24
geppyI think I'm off to bed.07:24
PizbitCube-ness: You must have been blown away:)07:24
x43i was a bad boy in the 80's i had got into a ti994a user group and met up with this guy who had introduced me into to the dark side of the 80's computer generation.07:25
Cube-nessPizbit, hehe. yeah.. modem was great.  but the os sucked.  seemed the computer (p133) was no faster than my 7mhz amiga 50007:25
GotD0toh, i was a bad boy in the 80's too... i was flinging gerber at my older siblings07:25
GotD0ti miss the good old days07:26
Cube-nessin my head i was thinking "hmmm...7mhz, in amiga world, 133mhz must be like WOW!"07:26
nathanieldelaneyi was a bad boy in the 80's.  I threw toy trucks at my brother07:26
GotD0ti learned how to use a computer on an apple II-e i believe07:26
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x43yeah when i was in elementary school i got permission to skip recess and use the computer room with the apple 2e's07:27
|progenic|i'm starting from 386dx407:27
x43every single day07:27
Cube-nessyeah.. me too07:27
GotD0thaha... and my little sister learned on a 1.1 ghz celeron07:27
deFryskzx spectrum07:27
x43i'm mentally challenged too07:27
|progenic|at that time i still use windows 3.107:28
GotD0toh... we had the II-e in our garage07:28
deFryskwith data recorder07:28
x43yes i remember the model number of my ti cassette record rq2309a i'm now what -- 31 about to turn 32 and i still remember that ?07:28
Cube-nessmy first computer was an apple IIc07:28
nomasteryodafound it07:29
Cube-nesspromplty got rid of it and bought a sweet c64 setup07:29
geppynomasteryoda:  :)07:29
GotD0tok... well i finished my essay on a movie i didnt watch... so im off to bed07:29
nomasteryodamplayer -ss <time in seconds> avi07:29
geppynomasteryoda: aw, cool07:29
nomasteryodavery cool07:29
geppynomasteryoda:  Where did you find it?07:29
nomasteryodain the MAN07:29
ficusplanetnomasteryoda, Awesome.07:29
nomasteryodadid a /time07:29
nomasteryodato find07:29
ficusplanetI've found another way, too.  EDL files.07:29
x43i have to stop watching movies even movies you would think would be so benign are causing me trauma07:29
nomasteryodawatching the Code07:30
nomasteryodageppy: made me learn something07:30
nomasteryodanite then07:30
GotD0tok, night all07:30
nomasteryodatime for a bzflag game07:30
xskoulaxDragon64, motorola mc6809E with a whopping 64K of RAM07:30
nomasteryodaglad i joined this group07:31
adoyretsamonehand have gotten to know ubuntu07:31
x43i think ubuntu was great promise for it07:32
x43amazingly it fits on 1 cd heh07:32
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GotD0ti love it... i have very little work for school when im up all night due to insomnia... but as soon as it goes away i have to stay up till at least 1:30 doing work07:33
GotD0tmajorly sucks07:34
spikebcool, gnoppix warty07:34
GotD0tok, im gone for real07:34
x43i cannot go to school it would be too much for me07:34
anarchiskasHello, I've intalled Ubuntu and there is always a black X on my screen... How could I solve it?07:34
xskoulaxschool was so much work07:34
geppyanarchiskas:  Can you explain in more detail?  Perhaps provide screenshots?07:35
x43i lack the math and logic skills to program so it seems i'm doomed to be a computer end user for life07:35
anarchiskasGeppy... I'll try to explain better... because sometimes the black X disapear...07:35
Cube-nessyou dont need math skills to code07:35
GotD0twell x43... im not really doing very high level schooling07:36
x43ok here is the next thing that comes to mind -- what could i possibly create that hasn't already been created ?07:36
anarchiskasWell, it? like a X mouse cursor, it's exactely at the screen center...07:36
anarchiskasI have a touch pad07:36
geppyx43:  integration?  evolution-GAIM, for instance07:36
GotD0tim only in my first year at a community college07:36
skyriderhi guys07:36
GotD0tor my junior year in highschool07:36
GotD0tchoose your label07:37
GotD0tboth fit me07:37
skyriderhow can I register in the new wiki?07:37
Cube-nessx43, you start solving your own problems..07:37
ficusplanetgeppy, evolution/gaim integration is already done.07:37
skyriderThere is no 'Register' button07:37
geppyficusplanet:  Not properly.07:37
GotD0tok, dont talk to me07:37
geppyficusplanet:  It's not really worth much.07:37
GotD0thaha. i need to sleep07:37
geppyficusplanet:  That _is_ something I want to contribute to.07:37
mdzanarchiskas: it's a hardware cursor problem; you can avoid it by disabling the hardware cursor in XF86Config-407:37
ficusplanetgeppy, check out galago07:38
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geppyficusplanet:  hahaha.... http://www.snowcrest.net/goehring/a2/primates/galago.htm07:38
anarchiskasThanks a lot mdz!!! I'll try righ now07:38
Cube-nessx43, i never wanted to be a programmer.. but i was lazy, and wanted the computer to do some things it didnt do.  solved a couple problems.  a couple years later i make my living doing programming07:38
geppyI don't think that's what you want me to see.07:38
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spikebdoes the new gnoppix/ubuntu merged livecd still have an installer?07:38
x43did you have mentors or friends ?07:38
geppyficusplanet:  Oh, thanks!  This is really cool.  =)07:39
skyriderAnybody knows how can I register in the new wiki (zWiki) on ubuntu site?07:41
HrdwrBoBskyrider: it's linked on the wiki...07:42
skyriderHrdwrBoB: where? I don't see it. Can you give me URL?07:43
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anarchiskaslast question, I'd like to install kernel-686, should I do something more than download it from the synaptics?07:44
skyriderHrdwrBoB: but that is the old wiki07:44
anarchiskasis there an automatic way to reconfigure the kernel?07:45
HrdwrBoBI know not07:45
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HrdwrBoBanarchiskas: I *think* it should automatically install07:45
HrdwrBoBand set itself up07:45
HrdwrBoBso install, reboot07:45
spikebanarchiskas, if you download the kernel image and kernel modules, it'll do everything by itself07:45
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Drel*wave* thanks for the help geppy07:46
geppyapt-get source kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info>07:46
geppyDrel:  No problem.  :)07:46
geppyI'm off to bed.  g'night, all07:46
stuNNednight geppy, thanks07:47
anarchiskasThank you very much guys... Now I need to go and try the changes!!! see you and nite!07:47
spikebi am going to try out this new release candidate of gnoppix-warty07:48
x43hoary not ready until december ?07:49
ficusplanetx43, Hoary is out in march07:50
nathanieldelaneyhow will hoary be different?07:50
spikebnathanieldelaney, gnome 2.10, possible new installer, graphical bootup, new kernel....07:51
nathanieldelaneyerr... what will be the improvements?07:51
spikebthat's all i can think of07:51
ficusplanetGNOME 2.10, usplash, new package manager, mono(?)07:51
spikebnew package manager?07:51
spikebwhat's this?07:51
ficusplanetIt's on the hoary wiki page.  Apparently jdub and ross burton are working on it.07:51
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spikebsomething better than synaptic07:52
HrdwrBoBsynaptic is .. non optimal07:53
HrdwrBoBit works, but the UI is not simple07:53
spikebHrdwrBoB, yeah07:53
spikebonce you know how to use it, it's alright, but it's not exactly intuitive07:53
ficusplanetYeah, anything on that page could get pushed though.  They have a lot on there for only six months.07:53
HrdwrBoBficusplanet: welcome to rapid developmen07:53
HrdwrBoBmost of it will likely happen07:54
ficusplanetThat would rock.07:54
spikebi'm actually more interested in seeing how the GNOME dev team plans on going from 2.x to 3.0 in six months07:54
HrdwrBoBthere is quite a lot of people working on it07:54
spikebi have a feeling they won't ;)07:54
HrdwrBoBspikeb: that's just a versioning thing07:54
ficusplanetspikeb, the next version is 2.10.  And if time is needed when they go to 3.0 the schedule will just be longer.07:55
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jdubactually, there are no plans at all for a GNOME 3.x any time soon07:55
spikebjdub, good. 2.x isn't finished.07:56
HrdwrBoBout of interest, what's happening wrt CD burning in gnome07:56
HrdwrBoBis nautilus-cd-burner going to get lots of work07:56
nathanieldelaneyhey.  if I have a game installed, can I make it show up on the applications menu?07:56
HrdwrBoBor will there be another app07:56
jdubspikeb: there have been finished 2.x releases 5 times now...07:56
HrdwrBoBbecause currently.. it's a huge hole07:56
spikebnathanieldelaney, it might just do it automatically07:56
x43yeah i burned a cd and the long filenames were cut off07:56
spikebjdub, I mean as a series.07:56
nathanieldelaneyit hasn't07:57
spikebnathanieldelaney, hmm07:57
nathanieldelaneyis there a fairly simple way to do that?07:57
spikebi do not know.08:01
geppyx43: enable whatchamacallit08:01
geppyit's somewhere in the config08:01
geppy"long names" somewhere, use K3B, or xcdroast08:02
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angadhey guys08:09
angadhow do i share a printer with windows computers?  i have samba installed08:09
atariboy`how does one get gtksharp in ubuntu?08:10
angadsudo apt-get install gtksharp08:10
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spikebi doubt gtksharp is available in any of the standard repos.08:11
angadoh ok08:11
spikebas far as printer sharing goes, i am not sure.08:11
angadok thanks anyway spikeb08:11
spikebi need to figure out how to set up print sharing from a windows computer to my ubuntu computer, myself.08:12
atariboy`hmm. I'm getting python errors from the wiki search08:13
sparkesatariboy`, the wiki is in a state of flux at the moment08:15
atariboy`ah okay08:15
whiprushthe new wiki seems to be working08:15
spikebthe home site could use a news section08:15
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stuNNedis ubuntu kernel patched with DSDT for laptops?08:19
bob2spikeb: gtk-sharp is indeed in universe.08:20
|trey|stuNNed, if you know what would be needed.... just look in /boot/config-<uname -r>08:20
bob2stuNNed: it doesn't yet have the latest acpi patches.08:20
stuNNedbob2: ok thanks, thanks |trey|08:21
spikebprint sharing works08:21
stuNNedubuntu still uses xfree86 and not xorg?08:22
angadhow did you do it?08:22
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: yes08:22
HrdwrBoBhoary will use Xorg08:23
stuNNedhoary is unstable ubuntu?08:23
HrdwrBoBhoary is the next release08:23
stuNNedok thanks HrdwrBoB08:23
spikebangad, i turned on print sharing from windows (not my printer, it's my wife) and then setup SMB printing on ubuntu08:24
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angadspikeb, how do you set it up on ubuntu?  i already have my other computers that run windows set up for print sharing08:24
stuNNedbob2: would you happen to know if hoary's kernel will havce DSDT support?08:24
ultrafunkstuNNed: i've got a .deb with the custom DSDT loader on my FTP site if you want it08:25
bob2stuNNed: mad phat laptop support is a design goal, yes08:25
stuNNedultrafunk: sure!08:25
spikebangad, in the computer menu > system configuration > printing08:26
spikebdouble click new printer, and choose network printer, then smb08:26
angadim there now08:26
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angadok thanks08:26
angadehsy hord in yhr hody snf ptinyrt pstyz/08:27
angadwhat goes in the host/printer part?08:27
spikebwhatever the smb name and printer share names are08:27
ultrafunkstuNNed: ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/random_cruft/linux-image-
angadok thanks08:27
stuNNedultrafunk: much appreciated08:27
ultrafunkstuNNed: you can also get the unofficialubuntu3 version if you want the patches discussed on: http://cipherfunk.org/diary/archives/monthly/2004-10.html#e2004-10-26T18_44_02.htm08:28
corbobwhere do i find the theme files for gnome?08:29
spikebi can't wait until the cds ship :)08:31
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stuNNedultrafunk: thanks08:36
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poO_any of u guys have firewall installed in ubuntu?08:38
bob2the default desktop install doesn't have any open ports08:38
poO_so i don't need to install one then?08:39
HrdwrBoBpoO_: if you want to, you can isntall firestarter08:39
bob2poO_: what do you want it to do?08:39
poO_well just browse chat mail and such08:39
bob2no, the firewall08:40
poO_i just use this notebook for school and such08:40
poO_i was used to having my notebook a firewall..just wondering if i'll be safe08:40
poO_just browsing and chatting...and email08:40
bob2unless you install extra software, there's nothing listening on any ports08:40
poO_oh ok08:40
poO_so i should be ok then?08:41
poO_all i installed was gaim(updated) and 3ddesktop and mplayer08:41
poO_bob2: how bout if i install bittorrent?08:42
bob2then the bittorrent client will listen on some ports08:42
poO_o ok08:43
bob2I believe you can disable it, at the cost of slowing downloads08:44
x43is there a command to update gnome menus to integrate programs that have been installed but not added to the menu list ?08:45
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spikebbah, no installer on the gnoppix-warty livecd08:45
HrdwrBoBbittorrent will be fine.08:45
bob2x43: if they don't include desktop files, they won't go on the menu unless you manually add them08:46
bob2spikeb: yes, that's what the install cd is for08:46
x43could you tell me how real quick for bob ?08:46
bob2spikeb: the live cd doesn't contain any packages08:46
bob2x43: applications:///08:46
HrdwrBoBmake a launcher08:46
stuNNedwhat's the easiest way to update an ubuntu system?08:46
spikebnot fair - the livecd has bootsplash :P08:46
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: start synaptic08:46
bob2stuNNed: synaptic -> refresh -> upgrade08:46
poO_stunned: sudo apt-get update08:47
stuNNedthanks to all08:47
stuNNedis galeon available?08:47
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thoreauputicbob2: really? no galeon in Ubuntu?08:52
thoreauputicbob2: does it conflict with other stuff?08:52
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RuffianSoldierhey all08:53
RuffianSoldiergoodnight all08:54
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Mithrandirlifeless: pong08:55
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alexeijhHi, I'm looking at getting a DIRT-cheap new video card. Will they all work with ubuntu or are some better thatn others?08:56
deFrysknvidia rules08:56
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Biscuitshows ati go with ubuntu? can you get acceleration working?09:01
spikebworks fine here09:02
Biscuitsok did you use the standard ati drivers they have for linux? at ati's site09:02
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spikebyes, but i used the ubuntu packages of them.09:03
Biscuitswhat packages?09:03
Biscuitso i get it09:03
spikebthere's actually a howto written about it, let me find it for you09:03
spikebbasically, you install fglrx-driver, restricted-modules-whatever-version, edit XFree86Config-4, and reboot09:05
spikebif you have any questions, feel free to ask09:06
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vasihey folks....i'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to register on the wiki09:07
vasiwhat am i missing?09:07
Biscuitssweet thanks spikeb :D09:07
Treenaksvasi: click on the log in link in the read bar on the top09:07
spikebBiscuits, no problem. :)09:07
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Treenaksvasi: hmm09:08
vasithere's no option to register there09:08
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vasijust to log in...but if i don't have a login/pass, how do i get one?09:08
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bob2thoreauputic: I'm guessing it didn't build at some point09:24
thoreauputicbob2: ah, I see09:25
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patrick_I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel09:33
__danielgood morning09:33
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briareushell all09:34
patrick_>defrysk< : I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel09:34
briareushello all09:34
Android16I give up09:34
Android16sendmail on Ubuntu 2 difficult09:34
patrick_Plz Help09:35
TreenaksAndroid16: sendmail on Ubuntu?09:36
briareusi thought it was supposed to appear as one cpu09:36
Treenakspatrick_: does /proc/cpuinfo show 2 CPUs?09:36
xskoulaxGuten Morgen __daniel09:36
xskoulaxhi briareus09:36
briareushello xskoulax09:36
briareusxskoulax, may i ask a question of you? (I mean , er, another one?)09:37
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xskoulaxbriareus: you can ask but you'd be asking a n00b ;)09:37
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xskoulaxbriareus: go for it i might know09:37
xskoulaxhi Acridien09:37
briareuswell I am curious if they are still giving the free CD offer09:37
xskoulaxbriareus: as far as i know09:38
spikebi signed up for ten cds :)09:38
briareushow does one go about getting one?09:38
xskoulaxi beleive09:38
Acridiencan someone tell me how to handle mass usb storage with ubuntu09:38
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Acridienit won't load any driver for it09:38
spikebbriareus, http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/09:39
Cube-nessAcridien, all my usb storage stuff 'just works'09:39
spikebi dont even have usb storage09:39
Cube-nessplug it in, pops up on desktop09:39
briareusAcridien, have you tailed /var/log/messages to see what it does when you plug it in?09:39
Acridienbriareus: i show you the ouput09:39
__danielAcridien: show it to me too09:39
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briareuspaste it in here09:40
briareusit shouldnt be too long09:40
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eikkeany gnoppixwarty users in here?09:40
spikebi used it for about five minutes earlier.09:41
eikkegot a problem with it (had same thing with 0.8.1)09:41
patrick_treenaks it shows processor : 109:41
spikebeikke, what is it?09:41
eikkeit boots fine, gnome runs, but then, whenever I start the "Networking" config tool, and configure my network, after that, I cannot start any other app :(09:42
eikkeif I dont run the networking tool first, it works fine09:42
spikebeikke, can't help ya - my networking worked fine out of the box09:42
eikkewell here too, but need to set SMB stuff :)09:42
spikebyeah i just wanted to see if the livecd had an installer, but it doesnt09:42
spikebso i didnt use it very long09:43
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eikkestrange thing is: in console, it says "No display can be found" (GTK error)09:43
eikkebut starting DISPLAY=:0 gaim at console doesnt work either (same error)09:43
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Acridiendaniels: i can't paste it to you you re too restrictive with pasting09:43
eikkeI had this on 2 different PC's, so its not related to that I guess (shoulnt be either)09:43
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__daniel__daniel: me?09:43
spikebAcridien, use pastebin.com09:43
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__danielAcridien: erm... me?09:44
eikkenext to that problem: in the networking tool, since 0.8.2, I cant enable SMB support: it says SMB support isnt installed, which is a pitty, really09:44
briareusok Acridien now look at /etc/fstab to see if it added any lines for th edevice09:44
Acridienbriareus: none09:45
briareusok, i was thinking it might add something, in your messages it didnt seem to add it as a device09:46
AcridienI got this at startup process error with pciehp and shpchp09:46
Acridienwhat are them ?09:46
spikebjust hotplug doing its thing, i believe09:47
eikkeAcridien: hal problems?09:47
briareusok do this: lsmod | grep usb09:47
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Treenakspatrick_: does it also show processor: 009:48
Treenakspatrick_: (use "less /proc/cpuinfo" to get more info)09:48
briareuslsmod is usually a root command, but from what I hear ubuntu does everything sudo09:48
Acridieneikke: ?09:48
Treenaksbriareus: lsmod is not a root command09:49
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briareushal = hardware abstraction layer09:49
eikkeAcridien: I read sth about fstab changes, so tought you were having HAL related issues :)09:49
briareuseikke, his usb mass storage, isnt09:49
Treenaksbriareus: and "sudo" runs stuff as root... it's just that there's no password for the root user.. there IS a root user..09:49
briareusTreenaks, ah, see i havent even laid eyes on ubuntu yet09:49
Acridien lsmod | grep usb09:50
Acridienusbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd09:50
__danielAcridien: weren't you the one, who stopped hotplug on his box? *can't remember*09:50
jdub# cat /etc/lsb-release09:50
Treenaksbriareus: really, install it :)09:50
Acridieneikke: what are pciehp and shpchp ?09:50
jdub^ :-)09:50
Treenaksjdub: is it semi-stable-ish now then?09:50
Mithrandirjdub: you crazzy person. ;)09:50
jdubnot that i recommend upgrading09:50
Treenaksjdub: or still "Don't upgrade or it might strangle your SO"09:50
jdubTreenaks: it upgrades... ;)09:50
spikebheh jdub09:50
bob2a bunch of stuff was still uninstallable, last I checked09:51
jdubi'm just running it on a runt machine that doesn't actually do anything09:51
spikebjdub, what's new in it?09:51
__danieljdub: works for me too :-)09:51
Acridien__daniel: no no but what is the command to refresh hot plug?09:51
jdubspikeb: no 'feature' stuff09:51
jdubit's just synced from sid09:51
spikebahh ok09:51
spikebthat's kind of what i figured09:51
__danielAcridien: pciehp is   pci express hotplug09:51
jdubthere are still a bunch of things that need merging09:51
spikebthey have some nice ubuntu stuff on gnome-look.org :)09:51
briareusnice, ubuntu is already optimized for pci express?09:51
spikebblue splash screens and wallpaper with the logo.09:51
__danielAcridien: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart    but that shouldnt be the issue09:52
spikebworks nice for me (i prefer industrial's colors to human's)09:52
TreenaksI'll wait with upgrading until xorg is in :)09:52
__danielAcridien: i guess you have to add something cool to /etc/fstab09:52
bob2briareus: "optimised"?09:52
briareusAcridien, i know a line that works for me, but i dont know if it works in ubuntu or not09:52
briareusbob2, well, supports it09:52
__danielAcridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       009:53
bob2briareus: if the kernel does, ubuntu does.09:53
briareusthats the line i would try Acridien09:53
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spikebnow if only i could find a blue ubuntu gdm theme09:54
briareusspikeb, just make one09:54
spikebi will :)09:54
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briareushey Despair is here, all we need is Fear and Uncertainty and the gangs all here09:55
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Despairbriareus: The usual third member of that trinity is Doubt.09:56
briareusoh right, but at the moment Doubt is under the weather, it seems she's been drinking too much09:56
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briareusval kilmer in tombstone is great10:00
Acridien__daniel: look at pastebins10:01
Acridienlook at pastebins10:01
briareusAcridien, did you paste the unique link to it?10:01
Acridienit's a fresh post10:01
briareusyeah, but it gives you a url10:01
Acridienso www.pastebin.com10:01
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Acridienbriareus: http://www.pastebin.com/11449010:02
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eikkewarty seems to have no MP3 support in totem and rhythmbox either :(10:03
briareusnothing about a device10:03
jdubfour pages of ubuntu-related artwork on gnome-look.org :-)10:03
spikebyup jdub10:03
spikebsome really nice stuff10:03
mjreikke, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats10:03
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briareusdid you try that fstab line ?10:04
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briareus__daniel Acridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       010:04
eikkemjr: if only my mp3 cd player would support ogg...10:04
Acridienbriareus: i will10:04
eikkethen they should include gstreamer-mad on the cd :D10:05
bob2mp3 is subject to patents that are being enforced10:05
Despairbob2: only covers recording... at the moment.10:05
TreenaksDespair: it could change any moment10:06
bob2Despair: fraunhoffer has shown themselves to be hostile and to change their mind10:06
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Despairbob2: Yeah, kind of figured that was why. Just figured I'd prompt someone else to cover the details. ;)10:06
x43xmms supports ogg10:06
Treenaksx43: ithm portable mp3 player10:06
bob2and gstreamer0.8-mad will enable it in rythmbox10:07
eikkei dont need ogg, I just cant get around the use of mp310:07
briareusi love ogg10:07
eikkebob2: its not on gnoppix-warty10:07
eikkei like ogg too, but unfortunately cant use it10:07
spikebahh yeah10:07
Acridienbriareus: then do I have to refresh something ?10:07
bob2"gnoppix" has nothing to do with ubuntu.10:07
eikkebob2: well, its ubuntu on a livecd ;)10:07
bob2if you mean "ubuntu live cd", then it's not on the install cd, either10:07
spikebno it isn't.10:08
briareusAcridien, well, do you have a /usb or a /mnt/usb dir?10:08
briareusbecause that line he gave you mounts it to /usb so if you dont have it you will have to create a /usb10:08
eikkespikeb: latest release is. Its in front of my nose right now. Check gnoppix.org10:08
briareuseither in / or /mnt/10:08
Acridienbriareus: I just added this dr10:09
Acridienbriareus: now ?10:09
briareustry to plug in again10:09
briareusthe cd to it10:09
Acridienbriareus: The device is an actionreplay with xbox memory unit that is usb on it10:11
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Acridienbriareus: fatx fs but i just want to find the device and dd on it10:11
phini got a good quote from a non linux novice about ubuntu!10:11
phinSkOoBa 420> i don't miss windows at all10:11
phinthat is all :)10:12
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stuNNedwhat do i need to install to get mp3's working with rhythmbox?10:12
jdubthat was nice ;)10:12
jdubstuNNed: gstreamer0.8-mad10:12
stuNNedjdub, thanks10:12
briareusAcridien, i dont know10:13
briareusmaybe someone here has mass usb running now and can help you10:13
bob2your disk will mount automatically when you plug it in...10:13
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stuNNedjdub, what repo is that in?10:13
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stuNNedjdub, i am very very new to debian methods, this is first time, besides apt for redhat/fedora :)10:14
Treenaksjdub: do universe packages get reported by popcon as well?10:15
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jdubTreenaks: should do, yeah10:15
jdubTreenaks: also, see my universe script on u-u10:15
bob2stuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto10:15
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jdub$ universe | wc -l10:16
jdub^ heh10:16
netmonkneed some help with gnome desktop10:16
redLAW i'm having problems with my gprs conection on ubuntu. i have se t610. when i conect i'm only on net 2.1 min and then kinternet disconect me. In log i received error code 15(last line in log) PLEASE HELP ME10:16
Acridienbriareus: well well tx anyway10:16
stuNNedbob2, thanks10:17
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TreenaksredLAW: cable or bluetooth?10:17
redLAWusb cable10:18
Treenaksdoes it work in those minutes?10:18
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redLAWyes normaly mozilla, xchat everything10:19
barry_zaQuick question: Is it possible to install .rpm packages under Ubuntu / Debian? Or convert them to .deb packages so they can be installed?10:21
danielshowerbarry_za: use  alien  for converting10:21
danielshowerbarry_za: but most stuff should be packaged in ubuntu/debian already10:21
netmonkdoes anyone know if acpi works? things like stand-by and suspend?10:22
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bob2netmonk: it depends on your hardware10:23
bob2hoary will have massive improvements in that regard10:23
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netmonklaptop toshiba a40-261, it's last year model, I think10:24
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andershi, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a computer with an asuscom isdn card. I should use an hisax module or what?10:24
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barry_zaOk, I'll tell you where I'm going with it.  The question was asked on the mailing list if it would be possible to host packages not included in Ubuntu for legal / licensing reasons extarnally.10:25
barry_zaThat made me think of the PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they're Mandrake based.10:25
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barry_zaSo I was wondering if it would be easy to get the .rpm's from them and convert them10:26
andersany isdn gurus here?10:26
AcridienDO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?10:26
AcridienDO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?10:26
spikebAcridien, yes10:26
Acridienspikeb: explain10:27
__danielAcridien: yes, it's common, but no error - no harm is done at all - it's just cosmetic10:27
spikebAcridien, it's just hotplug trying out various modules, and the errors are because you don't have that hardware10:27
spikebthat's all10:27
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__danielbarry_za: better than just converting would be to bug the authors to switch to another license10:27
HarnakDoes anyone know what X driver needs to be changed to disable write combining.. My ATI Mobility chipset doesn't seem to work right , just after install.10:27
Acridienspikeb: any heard problem with usb storage device ?10:28
spikebAcridien, i dont have any usb storage devices so i cant help with that.10:28
__danielAcridien: ls -l /dev/sda*10:28
lhbbarry_za: there a program called alien that can convert packages, AFAIK10:28
__danielAcridien: (when you plugged it in)10:29
barry_za___daniel: That's the ideal, I know, but realisticly that's never going to happen with all software, and this could be a way of solving the problem in the mean time.10:29
Acridien__daniel: perhaps action replay is not like other usb device10:30
jdubbarry_za: those things should go in universe or multiverse10:30
__danielbarry_za: that's not true - while reading the debian weekly news for some years they really got some licences changed already10:30
Acridien__daniel: no output for that command10:30
__danielAcridien: i tried loads of usb storage devices everyone works: WHAT about   ls -l /dev/sda*  when you plugged it in?10:31
StarScreamhi, can some one point me to docs, or explain how to install kde. I know its in the universe but i'm not sure how to use apt to get it10:31
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__danielStarScream: apt-get install kde  should be ok10:31
stuNNedyou guys get sound working no problems?10:31
StarScream__daniel: Package kde is not available.10:31
__danielAcridien: ok10:32
bob2StarScream: did you enable universe?10:32
spikebwhat is multiverse?10:32
__danielspikeb: non-free stuff10:32
StarScreambob2: no, see question above ^.... how do i enable it?10:32
Acridien__daniel: no file or repertory of that type10:32
spikeb__daniel, ok10:32
Acridien__daniel: directory10:32
bob2StarScream: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto10:32
StarScreambob2: muchos gracias10:33
AcridienStarScream: :-)10:33
__danielAcridien: what did    lsmod | grep usb    say?10:33
Acridienacridien@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep usb10:33
Acridienusbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd10:33
spikebshouldn't gstreamer-mad go in multiverse then? technically, it's nonfree (format)10:34
__danielAcridien: try   sudo modprobe ehci_hcd10:34
bob2spikeb: the code is Free10:34
__danielAcridien: then  tail -f /var/log/syslog   and re-plug your usb thingie10:34
spikebbob2, the format isn't10:35
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bob2spikeb: the format is patent-encumbered10:35
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Treenakswhen does this patent "time out" btw?10:36
gruberman_not ONE radiostation in the dallas area supports linux for their streaming :/10:37
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spikebprobably about the time nobody uses mp3 anymore.10:37
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Treenaksspikeb: even more10:37
Acridien__daniel: ouputs Oct 28 10:37:10 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 410:37
AcridienOct 28 10:37:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 510:37
spikebTreenaks, but are they enforced?10:37
Treenaksspikeb: ogg is better anyway10:38
spikebi agree10:38
__danielAcridien: what about    ls /dev/sda*  ?10:38
spikebthe only use i have for mp3 and aac is for downloaded tunes10:38
HarnakDo you have to do anything special to get the kernel to recognize a USB mouse?10:38
spikebfor my personal collection, everything can be ogg or flac10:38
TreenaksHarnak: no10:38
HarnakWhat /dev device does it usually use?10:39
Acridien__daniel: nothing except no file or dr of that type.....something may be wrong with action replay and usb protocol i don't know10:39
__danielAcridien: damn :-/10:39
TreenaksHarnak: /dev/input/mice, but that should be autodetected by X, why?10:40
Acridien__daniel: I will try my printer to see if the problem is wider10:40
Harnakmine isn't detected by X .. so I'm going to see if the device exists.10:40
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TreenaksHarnak: check /var/log/kern.log -- you might ahve a problem with interrupts/etc10:40
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HarnakX says it's looking for the mouse on /dev/mouse but /dev/mouse doesn't exist.. should I just ln /dev/input/mice to /dev/mouse?10:41
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Harnakok.. checking the kern.log10:41
PizbitHarnak: Yep, can't hurt to try anyway10:41
StarScreamok, i managed to enable universe, but apt-get install kde gives : The following packages have unmet dependancies:10:41
StarScreamthen lists deps10:41
stuNNedwhy isn't galeon supported?10:42
StarScreambut says they aren't gonig to be installed10:42
Acridien__daniel: printer is handled10:42
HarnakTreenaks: the kern.log sees the mouse and I tried unplugging it.. there were messages saying it was successful10:42
TreenaksHarnak: hm.. okk10:42
bob2stuNNed: because we already have two web browesers in supported10:42
stuNNedbob2, ok thanks, no bash-completion either?10:43
bob2stuNNed: nano /etc/bash.bashrc10:43
Harnakchanging it in XF86Config to point to /dev/input/mice worked.. thanks!10:43
spikebcool Harnak :)10:43
NermalI'm liking the ubuntu live cd10:44
Nermalits pwetty 8)10:44
spikebNermal,  yes it is.10:44
TreenaksHarnak: weird, that should have been detected automatically10:44
spikebtoo bad the install cd isnt so pretty :P10:44
NermalI use gentoo atm on my main machine, for up to date packages and other reasons.... but.. my laptop cooks when I emerge -u world ..10:45
HarnakTreenaks: yeah.. my ATI is a mobility card (Radeon 9700) so I'm wondering if that threw a wrench into it somehow10:45
Nermalmaybe I should plonk ubuntu on my lappy10:45
spikebNermal, yeah not a bad idea10:45
Nermaldoes the install cd support pcmcia cdrom drives?10:45
spikebthat way you don't have to burn your legs10:45
Nermalaye.. I do want children at some point..10:45
HarnakEr I mean 960010:46
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spikebi want to get a bootsplash like the livecd has working on my install.10:46
lhbwhat's wrong with that screenshot of gnoppix?10:46
Nermaloops.. just went to ubuntu.org  took me a while to realise wtf was going on..10:46
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spikeblhb, aside from the horrible icons, nothing.10:47
topylithp: the "about" menu entry is cool. i don't know what's wrong :)10:47
lhbis that based on ubuntu?10:48
spikebgnoppix is now ubuntu livecd10:48
topylithey might at least do some branding10:48
spikebtopyli, they do now10:48
spikebnew release10:48
Nermaldoes ubuntu have its own package manager or just apt ?10:48
spikebNermal, apt + synaptic10:48
|trey|spikeb, thats cool  :)10:48
spikebNermal, next release might have a new front end for apt though10:49
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topylispikeb: ok, so their existence is justified :)10:49
bob2spikeb: hoary will have something better than bootsplash10:49
Acridienspikeb: aptitude ?10:50
spikebbob2, i read that - userspace splash10:50
bob2spikeb: what more do you want in synaptic?10:50
spikebbob2, synaptic is fine, once you know how to use it. i just think it's crap for learning how to use.10:50
spikebso if i were to change it, it'd be click on a checkbox for a package you want, and click install10:50
topylibob2: i'd like to have it remove orphans like aptitude does10:51
bob2topyli: that would be handy10:51
spikebone click upgrade.10:51
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Acridien__daniel: when I link my mobile to the usb port the right driver is loaded look usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 710:53
Acridienusbcore: registered new driver usb-storage10:53
Acridien__daniel: definitely somethiing with action replay10:54
carl_hello, I've got a question about the new wiki: how do I register?10:54
StarScreamhmm maybe i need to update the cache?10:54
carl_If I click on "log in", there is no "register" possibility...10:56
Scuttlercarl_:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UserPreferences10:58
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AcridienDesktop sounds have disappear do someone know how i can switch them on ??10:59
bob2computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds10:59
Acridienbob2: it's on11:00
carl_thanks, but this link gets me to the old wiki11:00
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Acridienbob2: They disappear when I have created a new user account11:00
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fscis gpdf dead?  I have some issues with the usability and functionality of xpdf11:01
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asproHello, are there any 2.6.9 ubuntu .debs out there?11:01
asprokernel 2.6.9, i mean11:02
StarScreamapt-get install kde-base E: Couldn't find package kde-base11:02
carl_I already had a account in the old wiki, but it seems they haven't been migrated since it doesn't work11:02
deFrysktry that11:02
bob2fsc: it doesn't do type3 fonts yet11:02
StarScreamdeFrysk: kdebase works, but it gives me more unmet dependancies... one of which is kdebase-bin11:03
deFryskStarScream, added universe ?11:03
StarScreamdeFrysk: well i thought i did11:04
StarScreamdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted11:04
StarScreamdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted11:04
StarScreamis whats in my sources.list11:04
deFryskuncomment the universe line in sources.list11:04
bob2carl_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/join_form11:05
deFryskthen update and try again11:05
StarScreamah sorry, i sent the wrong line11:05
StarScreamdeFrysk: update...apt-get update ?11:05
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stuNNedhands down, adding universe doesn't want to install a bunch of unstable software, even with dist-upgrade11:06
bob2yes, some of universe is broken11:06
StarScreamdeFrysk: k,i did that but i still get the same errors11:06
visoranyone has any issues with realplayer 10 on ubuntu?11:06
stuNNedbob2, that is a big + imho11:06
carl_bob2: thank you very much11:07
StarScreamah this is under PPC btw....is it possible kde for PPC just hasn't been built yet?11:07
bob2stuNNed: hrm?11:07
stuNNedbob2, a big plus that adding universe then `apt-get dist-updgrade` doesn't install a bunch of unstable stuff11:07
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deFryskStarScream, try apt-get install kde (the megapackage)11:07
Acridiendamn my printer doesn't work11:08
bob2stuNNed: erm, main and universe do not overlap at all11:08
StarScreamdeFrysk: hmm nope, get the same thing....xfce4 works ok though :) but yeh, i'd like kde if possible\11:08
bob2stuNNed: dist-upgrade after adding universe won't do anything11:08
neur0mancerdoes anyone know how do I configure totem to play DVDs?11:08
visorneur0mancer: i guess you need libdvdcss...11:08
deFryskStarScream, I dont have kde , but if not possible , too bad11:08
neur0mancervisor: only that?11:09
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visorso no one has tried yet to use realplayer 10?11:09
StarScreamdeFrysk: yeh fair enough :)11:09
stvnneur0mancer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats11:09
topylivisor: works here11:09
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visorneur0mancer: i havent tried that yet, but i guess, in many other distros you do only need that11:09
visortopyli: how did you installed it?11:09
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topylivisor: i just got it from real.com and ran the installer11:10
Nermalanyone know if ubuntu can install from a pcmcia cdrom drive ?11:10
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visortopyli: i did it as sudoer and both running a root terminal and installed it in /opt/realplayer so i dont mess up something, and when i try to run it it just keeps waiting and nothing happens later11:10
bob2doesn't that depend on your bios?11:10
pi1hi @ll11:10
spikebNermal, try the livecd on that11:11
Nermalhmm.. could do11:11
spikebNermal, if it works, then the install cd should11:11
Nermalits a sony vaio...11:11
NermalI'm downloading the install cd now at work anyway :)11:11
neur0mancerthere is no libdvdcss on the main/universe repositories but I am trying to install the libdvdplay0 and gstreamer-dvd11:11
spikebwhat do you have on it ?11:11
Nermalme ?11:11
bob2neur0mancer: read the wiki page11:11
spikebNermal, yeah11:11
pi1have problem with my grub and startin my win partition :(11:11
topylivisor: that's what i did too :\11:11
Nermalgentoo.. suse 8.2 boots on it ok so I booted the suse 8.2 install cdrom and started the installation process from that11:12
neur0mancerbob2: ok understood11:12
spikebNermal,  ok11:12
Nermalbut then suse 9.x doesn't :|11:12
spikebthat sucks11:12
visortopyli: maybe if i uhmmm reboot? :P11:12
Nermalits a bit hit and miss. debian doesn't and gentoo doesn't :|11:12
topylivisor: heh11:12
NermalI'm not even sure if knoppix does11:12
NermalI'm doomed :|11:12
topylivisor: you need to reinstall linux now11:12
Nermalgod I want an ibook with ubuntu on it :|11:12
bob2Nermal: no wireless, no suspend11:13
spikebi had one11:13
visortopyli: they change the versions to download,  but, no one seems to notice, i download it and installed it on suse some weeks ago and the bin was different from size compared to this11:13
Nermalbob2, ok.. maybe not..11:13
spikebhey wireless worked fine on the test releases11:13
spikeb(suspend didnt though)11:13
bob2not on a g4 ibook11:13
topylivisor: there was a security update11:13
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spikebi had a g3 ibook.11:13
topylivisor: could it be sound server confusion? are you running esd?11:13
pi1hm no one ?11:14
visordamn its nice to listen to my mp3 on the server machine through gnome-vfs2 on totem, ubuntu seems to be the first distro that actually pushed work to make this things work11:14
visortopyli: maybe, let me see11:14
bob2pi1: you didn't ask a question...11:14
stuNNedah, epiphany is in universe, guess i'll be using that instead of galeon :)11:14
Nermaldoes ubuntu support reiserfs 4 ?11:14
bob2Nermal: "support"?11:14
bob2Nermal: it's not even in a mainline kernel yet!11:14
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Nermalwell.. does it come with support in the kernel or reiserfs4progs ?11:15
pi1bob2: oh...well ok sorry...i'm new here...11:15
Nermalah.. I'm used to gentoo world :|11:15
pi1bob2: well...my grub doesn't start my win partition...11:15
Nermalmind you.. the last time I tried reiser 4 it exploded :|11:15
bob2since it's still in alpha11:15
spikebjfs is the man, baby11:15
pi1bob2: and i can't find a grub-update either :(11:15
bob2pi1: does it list it?  did it used to work?11:15
jamaasI'm new to Ubuntu, but like it very much.  The settings like ttyUSB0  etc that I need to make my visor sync do not remain, disappear when I reboot.  Can anyone tell me how to make them permanent?  Thanks11:16
Nermalbob2, I thought reiser 4 was stable now11:16
visortopyli: still the same, im going to reboot maybe some socket or who knows, those things happens... brb11:16
bob2Nermal: I wouldn't trust it11:17
bob2jamaas: changes to /dev are not presisted over reboot11:17
pi1bob2: yeah it works well starting ubuntu, but i can't start my hd(0,0) win partition :( i just get an echo of my menu.lst and nothing happens...11:17
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fscwhat's hoary?11:18
tuxfollow up to warty11:18
bob2fsc: the next release of ubuntu11:18
stvnfsc: the next ubuntu release11:18
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bob2pi1: try askign on the ubuntu-users list, I guess11:18
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tuxhas anyone gotten sun's java 1.41 to work ?11:18
patrick_can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.311:18
jamaasbob2:  is there a way to make them permanent, or do I have to produce modules and then get the kernel to load them?  there must be relatively simple solution ??  (Here's hoping!! :))11:19
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bob2patrick_: what's wrong with the version in ubuntu?11:19
sabdfljamaas: how do you get them setup?11:19
bob2tux: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats11:19
asprotux, 1.4.2 and 1.5 work fine here11:19
patrick_it says <glibc version: 2.3.2./setup: cannot connect to X server>11:19
bob2jamaas: what do you need change?11:19
tuxaspro, i get it installed okay from rpm with alien11:20
patrick_the version 1.1.3 correct some words issues11:20
asproi used the text installer11:20
tuxbut when i change to bin to execute java, it gives an error11:20
pi1bob2: hmm...ok...just one last question...where is my grub-update ??11:20
patrick_<aspro> alien -i OO...   ???11:20
bob2pi1: I don't know what that is (but I've never used grub)11:20
asprono, you can download a script from sun11:21
stvnpi1: sudo update-grub11:21
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bob2patrick_: I'd be veeeeeeeery wary installing openoffice from rp11:21
jamaasbob2: when ubuntu boots , there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1  or ln -s from /dev/ttyUSB0 to /dev/visor or /dev/pilot.  I can produce them every time I login but next time they're gone.  make sense?11:21
patrick_<tux> alien -i OO...   ???11:21
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aLi`i need a gui for listing the services that works on booting up?11:21
bob2jamaas: you just need the symlink?  or you need to load an extra module?11:21
patrick_<aspro> how to use the text installer for ./setup -net11:22
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asproi was talking to tux about java11:22
tuxpatrick_, no was talking to aspro about java installation11:22
jamaasbob2: I don't know about the module?  the symlink is not really necessary, what is required is an active ttyUSB0 and 1 upon reboot11:22
topyliaLi`: no you don't :) look at /etc/rc2.d11:22
tuxaspro, i'll get the error again now, just booting laptop11:23
sabdfljamaas: do you fix it manually just by creating a symblink?11:23
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visorim back11:23
aLi`topyli, i wannt a gui for this11:23
topylivisor: how's the porn?11:23
jamaassabdfl: not just the symlink but aslo creating ttyUSB0 and 111:23
topyliaLi`: perhaps you could use webmin11:23
visortopyli: told you, it was a reboot what was needed indeed11:23
sabdflhow, with mknod?11:24
topylivisor: my guess is you just unticked the sound server in the prefs but didn't kill esd for that session :)11:24
visortopyli: this things always have happened to me, always a temp file, anyway its good now :)11:24
visoruhmm i did know you have to do that he11:25
jamaassabdfl: that is how I create the tty (modules?) each time I boot, but next time they are gone! :(11:25
visordid not, err11:25
__danieljamaas: it's because of udev: it should take care of the creation of devices11:25
topylivisor: yeah, it's just a setting for the session manager, takes effect when you next log in :)11:25
visorthis is the very best distro i have used :)11:25
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visortopyli: actually, i did that, and yet i had the same problem, thats why i came to irc :)11:26
jamaas_daniel: I'm not familiar with this one, is it a command like mknod that creates these modules?11:26
topylivisor: hmm. so it was something locking the player like you say11:26
__danieljamaas: it's a daemon that creates appropriate devices based on the kernel modules that are loaded11:27
visorthe only thing i saw, so far, its that, for some odd reason many people seem to have bootplash, and i dont, i actually looked at the repositories and all of that (including the cdrom)and i didnt find anything about bootsplash, does that have something to do with releases?11:27
__danieljamaas: what kernel module are we talking about anyway? usb-serial-something?11:27
stuNNedhow do i check the status of a daemon in /etc/init.d ?11:28
jamaasI've read quite a bit about the kernel automatically configuring new devices as needed for hotsync, is this the same thing?  If so how do I use udev to create the devices?11:28
patrick_bob2 what is that x error11:28
asprotux, ive got to go, maybe someone else can help you, sorry :)11:28
Android16sheesh , when do debian update their packages ?11:28
visorim not dying, i can live without an eye candy boot, but its just weird, many people dont have those packages, me counting one of those, and some other does11:28
Android16mysql server 3.23.49-8.811:28
tuxaspro, cool11:28
patrick_<bob2> what is that x error11:28
jamaas_daniel, no idea, would need to research it11:28
__danieljamaas: modprobe the appropriate kernel module11:28
tuxi think i have to get it again anyways :.11:28
patrick_it says glibc version: 2.3.211:28
patrick_./setup: cannot connect to X server11:28
asproget the non-rpm version11:28
patrick_can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.311:29
tuxand then copy it over to /usr ?11:29
__danieljamaas: what product do you try to use?11:29
aLi`topyli, webmin wants root password to login..!11:29
patrick_./setup: cannot connect to X server11:29
bob2jamaas: you have to create device files with mknod?11:29
bob2patrick_: are you running that as root?11:29
visorpatrick_: isnt that version the one that comes already with ubuntu?11:29
topyliaLi`: oh yeah. do you have one set up?11:29
jamaas_daniel: am using pilot-link and j-pilot11:29
asprotux, it should install it fine as it is11:29
tuxwell non rpm just installs to my home folder11:30
__danieljamaas: and what product?11:30
visorpatrick_: anyway you need to do something like this: ./sudo setup then prompt the password and there you go11:30
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asprowell, you can copy it anywhere you want anyway, it will still work fine :)11:30
jamaassorry, don't understand, the hardware is a handspring visor and this is on the latest release of Ubuntu11:30
joolzhm, i forgot... Where do I find the ubuntu live cd download (http, not bittorrent)?11:30
asproi think11:31
bob2jamaas: what *exact* steps do you have to do to get it to work?11:31
visorpatrick_: did that help?11:31
tuxapros, so  J2SE v 1.4.2_06  JRE  includes the JVM technology is waht i need ?11:31
bob2joolz: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/11:31
__danieljamaas: ok... that's what i tried to ask for11:31
bob2joolz: same place as all the other isos11:31
joolzbob2: great, thanks!11:31
__danieljamaas: try    modprobe visor     and     tail -f /var/log/syslog11:32
jamaas_daniel, will do, thanks!11:32
__danieljamaas: does it say something?11:33
patrick_i run the install script and it works fine11:33
HarnakDoes anyone know if there are UT2003 AMD64 binaries?11:33
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spikebnot that i know of11:33
spikebi think only ut200411:34
jamaas_daniel, yes it spit out some stuff, do you wan to see it all??11:35
__danieljamaas: /query me and tell me11:36
Harnakthanks spikeb11:38
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KarlosIIwhat is a good commandline syntax for recording iso images to cd?11:47
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__danielKarlosII: cdrecord DEV=/dev/blah blubb.iso11:48
altanwhat's the command to change my windowing environment right now?11:49
visorlooks like firefox still has the same issue while playing real streams (file not found or so)11:49
altaniirc there was a program that came with X, called xswitcher or something like that11:49
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altanhi guys, how do I change my resolution and refresh rate in a non-gnome environment? xfce default to the login screen's res/hz, which is a very high resolution and a veyr low refresh rate12:07
sabdflaltan: /etc/X11/XF86Config-412:07
jonowhich hal file updates my /etc/fstab when I plug a device in?12:08
sabdfluse with care12:08
sabdfljono: none12:08
jonosabdfl, huh?12:08
sabdflafaik it's handled by pmount, without changing fstab12:08
altanI tried that (sorry, I can't read your name in this res :/)12:08
Tomcat_automount doesn't use fstab either...12:08
altanI changed hte only available res type to 1280x1024 but it still doesn't work12:08
stvnaltan: remove the high resolutions from the XF86Config-4 file12:09
stvnaltan: need to restart X12:09
jonothere was a script included with HAL and I thought distros needed to use that12:09
altanah, I just tried logging off and on12:09
altanok, brb then12:09
stvnaltan: not enough ;)12:09
visorjono: it depends, AFAIK if when compiling, the fstab-sync flag was passed then hald automatically edits the file12:10
visorwich is i guess the way it was on ubuntu12:10
jdubjono: ubuntu doesn't use fstab sync12:10
jdubjono: because munging configuration files makes baby jesus cry12:10
visoror maybe iam just wring12:10
spikebperhaps if developers would quit writing tools that munged config files, baby jesus wouldn't cry so damn much.12:12
sabdflhow would i use find in a shell script to test if there are files in  directory tree called .orig?12:12
jonoso how does pmount do it then, does it keep its own virtual fstab in memory or something?12:12
sabdfljono: not sure, ask pitti12:12
jonois that Martin Pitt?12:12
pittijono: I did not follow the discussion12:12
pittijono: why should pmount keep its own fstab?12:13
jonopitti, I am just trying to understand why pmount is used instead of fstab-sync12:13
jonoand how does pmount work?12:13
pittijono: two reasons:12:13
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pittijono: 1) we do not want daemons mess up configuration files like fstab12:14
pittijono: 2) we don't want hal run as root12:14
jdubpitti: you forgot the third reason12:14
pittijono: pmount solves both12:14
pittijdub: ?12:14
jdub3) we do not want to upset baby jesus12:14
jonojdub got that right12:14
pittijdub: whoever that is...12:14
jonoso how does pmount do it then? does it bypass fstab?12:14
spikebjesus is gonna whip some butt here pretty quick12:15
pittijdub: mind to enlighten me? :-)12:15
pittijono: yes12:15
pittijono: it uses its own policy and directly calls mount12:15
jdubpitti: (the son of god, who didn't cry when he was born)12:15
jonois there any documentation on how to set up pmount? I am writing an article on configuring project utopia you see, and this should be in it12:15
pittijdub: of course I know "Jesus", I just thought you meant somebody else in particular12:15
Keybuksabdfl: find /path -type d -exec "test -f {}/*.orig" \; -print 2>/dev/null12:15
pittijono: it does not really need setup12:16
jdubpitti: it kinda weirded me out that you were asking ;)12:16
Keybukor similar12:16
pittijdub: I thought it were the nick of a security addict12:16
pittijdub: never mind :-)(12:16
pittijono: pmount just needs to be installed12:16
sabdflkeybuk: will that exit -gt 0 if such a file exists?12:17
jonopitti,what about on non-debian systems?12:17
pittijono: if you don't use the deb, you have to chmod 4755 the two binaries and put them into /usr/bin12:17
pittijono: make install does that, BTW12:17
__danieltest -z `find /dir/ -name '.orig' | wc -l`12:17
pittijono: However, in Ubuntu we restricted pmount execution to members of group 'plugdev'12:17
jonothen how does HAL call pmount when a device is added?12:17
pittijono: i. e. real desktop users12:17
jdubjono: it requires patches elsewhere too (it's not really a member of project utopia)12:17
pittijono: 1) kernel receives a hotplug event and sends it to hal12:18
pittijono: 2) hal detects some stuff about the device, stores it into its db and notifies anything that listens to him12:18
jonoright, so pmount listens for hal callbacks?12:18
pittijono: 3) gnome-volume-manager (running as user) receives the hal message and calls pmount (as user)12:18
pittijono: no, pmount is low-level and shall not have such dependencies12:19
jonooh right12:19
jonoso gnome-volume-manager calls pmount12:19
__danielkeybuk: oh... you already answered it :-)12:19
pittijono: it is more or less similar to mount, but with some additional privileges12:19
pittijono: right, g-v-m does it12:19
jonowas g-v-m patched to access pmount or is this in the stock g-v-m?12:19
mjrhmm, that plugdev group thing is probably the reason why my ubuntu dist-upgraded from sid doesn't automount stuff12:19
pittijono: g-v-m is the manager that decides whether to mount it, whether to treat a device as camera and call gthumb instead and so on12:20
pittijono: no, we patched it12:20
jonoright, so I should look at including information on how to patch it12:20
sabdflmjr: dist-upgrading could break in all sorts of interesting ways :-P12:20
jonois the patch available online?12:20
pittijono: it's in the source package12:20
Keybuksabdfl: mine prints out the directory trees with .orig files in it, __daniel's is probably closer to "exit 0 if there's a .orig here"12:20
jonooh right12:20
pittijono: I can put it to somewhere if you want12:20
mjrsadyes, I am aware, so I haven't complained too loudly about that ;)12:20
jonois it likely that pmount support will be merged into the main g-v-m build?12:20
sabdfli'm just looking for something i can test with in a shell script12:21
jonopitti, thats ok, I just need to write how the reader patches it12:21
sabdfli want to exit 1 if there's a .orig or .rej below a certain dir12:21
pittijono: hmm, I don't think that will happen in the near future12:21
mjranyway, I did a clean install on my laptop already, and am getting a new desktop box anyway12:21
jonopitti, if I write this, could you have a look over it for me to check it is correct?12:21
mjrso hopefully soon I can bitch about _real_ bugs with abandon ;)12:21
pittijono: BTW, the patch is trivial, it just exchanges '/bin/mount' with '/usr/bin/pmount'12:21
pittijono: I will be my pleasure :-)12:21
jonopitti, thanks :)12:21
spikebthe latest kernel source package is 2.6.712:22
pittijono: can you put it to a public place and IRC-ping me?12:22
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pittijono: you can also mail me12:22
mjrhmm, not sadyes but dabdfl12:22
pittijono: martin.pitt@canonical.com12:22
mjrdamn me12:22
jonocheers pitti, I am really grateful, another person from canonical to buy a beer for :)12:22
pittijono: I'm looking forward to it :-)12:22
jonoI am determined to buy everyone who makes free software that I use daily a beer, that includes you as well jdub12:23
pittijono: where do you want to publish that, BTW?12:23
Keybuksabdfl: test -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print)12:23
sabdflkeybuk: gem, thank you12:24
sabdflKeybuk: that exits 0 if there are NO files, 1 if there are?12:24
Keybukyou could do:  if [ -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print) ] ; then ...12:25
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spikebahh there we go12:27
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ntollcan I use standard debian packages with Ubuntu12:27
stvnntoll: it's not advisable12:28
ntollyou see, I notice that there are Lilypond packages for amd64 and PPC in universe but not for i386. I wanted to try the debian i386 version.12:28
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stvnntoll: huh, i don't see any lilypond packages, what are they called?12:29
ntollI got there with a google on UBUNTU Lilypond12:30
sabdflwhat's lilypond?12:30
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ntolla music typsetter12:30
ntollGNU music typsetter12:31
sabdflif its not in ubuntu i'm happy to arrange for the maintainer to be able to upload it12:31
stvnntoll: you *can* install debian packages but you've to check dependencies very careful12:31
ntollnice printed music manuscript from a markup language12:31
ntollhmmm.... how can I find out why there are amd64 and PPC lilypond packages but NOT i386?12:31
ntolland who should I tell to get the package built12:32
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ntollI assume as it exists for other platforms it can't be too hard to have in the i386 branch of ubuntu?12:32
stvnntoll: universe is not relly supported, so you can only *ask* if someone wants to do it12:32
ntollstvn: I installed ubuntu yesterday so I'm still finding stuff out - who and how (email) do I contact?12:33
sabdflntoll: is it in universe or multiverse?12:34
ntollwhats multiverse?12:35
jdubntoll: ubuntu-user mailing list, generally12:35
ntollnot the developers list (as they prolly maintain the packages)?12:36
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PandUI wont to enable FTP between 2 machins for file transfer both are ubuntu, can anybody help12:37
sabdflntoll: multiverse is software that we are even less supportive of than universe12:37
sabdflusually because of licensing concerns12:37
altanhi, what's the command to run synaptic? I tried a launcher for sudo synaptic but it won't work12:38
__danielaltan: gksu synaptic12:38
Pizbitaltan: It's in the Computer -> System Configuration menu12:39
stvnPandU: you need to install a ftp-server on one or both machines12:40
PandUstvn, is it not installed by default with ubuntu12:41
stvnPandU: open synaptic and search for ftp, It looks like ubuntu prefers vsftd12:41
stvnPandU: you install that ftp server(or any other if you prefer another one) and an ftp client like gftp if you want a gui ftp-client12:42
SeArCh-does unbuntu also use apt-get (feta) command to update software or to install12:42
__danielSeArCh-: yes12:43
PandUstvn, I did not find vsftpd, there is pure , pro, p , wu-ftpd which one is best12:44
altanPizbit: I just started xfce rather than gnome12:45
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altanI want to remove gnome, but it affects like 80% of the programs on the machine12:45
altanis it "safe" to remove gnome?12:45
jonoso is HAL normally run as root in other distros but not in ubuntu?12:46
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stvnPandU: strange that you do not see vsftpd, anyway pure or wu are fine12:47
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jonois Michiel Sikkes in here?12:47
binary_10hi, can someone tell how to stop ubuntu from changing the bios clock? its messing up my clock in windows12:47
Pizbitbinary_10: Uhm, so who's getting it wrong? Windows or ubuntu?12:48
PandUstvn, thanks i think i will install wu-ftpd12:48
stvnbinary_10: checked the faq?12:48
stuNNedis there a way to install blackdown java?12:48
stvnstuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:48
binary_10Pizbit, well ubuntu has the right time.. it changes my bios clock to +8 hours making my windows wrong12:48
stuNNedstvn, thanks12:48
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jazzkahow can I make an audio cd with ubuntu? I've got music in mp3 format12:49
stvnbinary_10: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.437349198812:50
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binary_10i need to work on my searching skill12:50
binary_10thanks stvn12:50
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PandUstvn, I still have no connection what port does wu-ftpd use12:51
stvnPandU: normal ftp12:51
stvnPandU: is it running?12:51
PandUstvn, normal port is 2312:52
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stvnPandU: actually I don't know, but if you do ftp <yourhost> it will use the default port12:52
PandUstvn, I am able to connect command line but with GUI i put 23 and not connecting12:53
stvnPandU: don't put a port number and try again12:53
stvnPandU: I think it's 20 or 2112:54
PandUstvn, thanks its 2112:54
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jazzkadoes k3b auto convert mp3 files to audio format?01:02
jazzkalike Nero does?01:02
stvnit should01:02
ozanhi, i have a problem :( this morning after i tried to log in to my gnome-session i got an error saying that can't write to .ICEauthority file ... i tried another user and it was running. i looked .ICEauthority file and its ownership was for both root. i had't changed it but it was root. interesting :) i tried "sudo chown oenginoglu.oenginoglu .ICEauthority" but it didn't worked out. i tried to open root terminal but i get "Failed to run01:03
ozan /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status" error message. pls help... i can't be root anymore :(01:03
NikzHi, I've got 4 lan cards and I've setup'd eth3 (the last one) to bring up internet connection, now where can I activate eth0 and the others? Is there any good gateway tutorial?01:04
Pizbitsudo -s not work too?01:04
ozanPizbit: no it didn't work too.01:05
Treenaksozan: just remove that file01:06
Treenaksozan: the iceauthority one01:06
ozanbut i can't be root. how can i remove it01:06
Pizbitsudo rm ?01:07
ozanno, doesn't work01:07
Treenaksozan: it's your homedir.. just rm it01:07
spiv_ozan: If the file is in your home directory, you can delete it, even if some else owns it.01:08
Nikzhave you tried root terminal?01:08
spiv_(Because you're changing the directory, not the file, it's the permissions on the directory that matter..)01:08
ozanyes, can't open01:08
Treenaksbtw, lots of problems with ICEauthority.. why are you running X programs as root?01:08
ozani didn't changed its ownerships. yesterday everything was ok but today i can't even enter01:10
ozani removed the file01:10
ozanwill gnome recreate it?01:11
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ozani am gonna check it01:13
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MyKq3hello i have alsa installed on my Ubuntu but i don't have the ~/.asoundrc nor the /etc/modules.con should i just crate them ?01:24
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PizbitYeah, might want to stop esd from starting when you log into gnome though01:25
atariboy`silly non ubuntu question: how do i allow listing of a dir using a .htaccess file? i get a 403 at the moment01:26
HarnakDoes anyone know where I can find info on how to get kde to be a valid session to be selected when using GDM?01:26
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MyKq3Pizbit,  it was for me ?01:27
PizbitMyKq3: Yeah01:27
LinuxJonesHarnak, it wasn't added by default ?01:28
PizbitAnyone know about how to set what thunderbird calls the "IMAP Server Directory" in evolution?01:28
MyKq3Pizbit,  can u expline me a bit more about esd plz ... i m a newbi =\01:28
Harnakno... maybe I didn't select all the packages in synaptic..01:29
stvnPizbit: check recieving options, i think it's over ride server supplied namespace01:29
LinuxJonesMyKq3, if you run gstreamer-properties you can select which sound system Gnome uses01:29
HarnakI choose the ubuntu3.2.3 debs..01:29
Pizbitstvn: I've tried that and it didnt' seem to work, do I need to kill off evolution to get that to work?:)01:30
LinuxJonesHarnak, if you have kde installed you should only have to logout then Under Session (I think) you can change to a KDE session01:30
stuNNedis there similar command `rpm -qa|grep substr` with apt?01:30
LinuxJonesstuNNed, apt-cache search <packagename>01:31
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stvnPizbit: might be a good option to restart evo01:31
Pizbitstvn: No joy01:31
HarnakLinuxJones.. alright.. let me give that another shot01:31
stuNNedLinuxJones, that will list installed packages?01:31
MyKq3LinuxJones,  yeah it was the 1st thingy i have done to solve this problem i have with my sound card so i could play several things at once01:31
LinuxJonesMyKq3, alsa is nice :)01:31
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MyKq3LinuxJones,  yeah :))) i found a nice guide that i m trying to work with . u might want to take a look on it  ^^  ( http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/alsa/ )01:32
stvnPizbit: what is the folder called on the server?01:33
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MyKq3LinuxJones,  there r one more link on the gudie check it u might b amazed what u can do with alsa ^^01:33
LinuxJonesstuNNed, it's a search feature or you can dpkg -l | grep whatever01:33
PizbitWorks as expected in thunderbird so I know I got it right heh:)01:33
stuNNedLinuxJones, ah, that's what i was looking for, thanks :)01:34
stvnPizbit: so it is Mail/INBOX for the inbox?01:34
bigbrother0074is DC++ available for ubuntu or anything?01:34
stuNNedis there a way to uninstall evolution and just use thunderbird?01:36
Pizbitstvn: Erm, since I'm bad an explaining stuff, to explain what I'm seeing I created this:) http://img99.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img99&image=evolution-thunderbird.png01:37
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stvnPizbit: oh hm, you could try to copy the personal namespace of tbird as namespace in evo and do disable 'show only subscribed folders'01:40
stvnPizbit: I had quite some trouble to get evo and tbird play nice on the same imap account01:40
stvnPizbit: I ended up letting evo decide the layout and Tbird just copying it01:41
PizbitWorks easier that way eh?01:41
stvnPizbit: evo is much less flexible than tbird01:41
PizbitNoticed heh01:42
stvnother than that evo is nice though01:42
PizbitIt's filtering is slooowww01:42
PizbitBut hey, it integrates into the gnome-panel through some nifty applets:)01:43
jonois there a guide to writing FDI files for HAL anywhere?01:46
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PizbitArgh, sleep time, long ago!01:50
lmlAnybody know hos to get transcode installed under Ubuntu? I can find Gtranscode and it is dependant on a transcode package which apparently is not there.01:51
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LinuxJoneslml, I have a listing for it. Do you have the universe repository enabled ?01:52
lmlLinuxJones: Yep and mulitverse, but maybe I am expirencing another problem. Lately when I have run apt-get update the process finishes very quickly and tells me that all lists are allready there.01:53
LinuxJoneslml, the repositories are frozen so there are not many updates except for security fixes.01:54
lmlLinuxJones: Hmm, I cannot find the transcode package anywhere in my repositories. Is the package name transcode in the lists you have?01:55
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Treenaksisn't transcode in the marillat repository?01:55
lmlTreenaks: marillat repository?01:56
LinuxJoneslml, apt-cache search transcode outputs >> transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams01:56
Treenakslml: wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:56
Treenakswithout the extra /wiki/01:56
TreenaksStupid Wikipedia is in my fingers :)01:56
LinuxJoneslml, Treenaks is probably correct I didn't realize I had that repo enabled sorry :)01:57
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lmlHmm, I use to have that repository enabled - somehow it has disappeared. Checking as I write...01:57
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letheusam i the only one, who has problems running MPlayer?02:00
nateanyone having problems doing an upgrade with Synaptic?02:01
Treenaksnate: no02:01
letheusnate, no02:01
LinuxJonesletheus, I think mplayer has some broken dependencies right now.02:01
lmlTreenaks & LinuxJones: Are there other repos I need to use? I have found the trancode package but is missing dependencies for libjasper and libquicktime?02:02
Treenakslml: don't know, sorry02:02
letheusLinuxJones, ok. Well, i just want to asf-files.02:02
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GmailLOL i was on the phone with a friend and he said: linux crashes more than m$, and i ask him how many times did you need to restart linux so far? he answers zero. then i ask him how many times did you have to restart windoze? he answers about 5 times a day.02:04
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LinuxJonesletheus, I think if you install the win32 codec package it will provide asf file support.02:04
lmlTreenaks and LinuxJones: thx - at least I got a little further this time. Will try to locate the missing packages.02:04
letheusLinuxJones, ok. I?ll try that. Thanks :)02:05
LinuxJonesletheus, then use gxine until someone fixes mplayer :)02:06
letheusLinuxJones, ok02:07
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letheusGmail, jerk :)02:08
stvnletheus: or install mplayer manually - that's what i did02:10
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kentTotem with the xine-engine works aswell. Then you dont need to install manually.02:12
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stvnkent: true, but i have a slow computer and mplayer just squeezes that extra bit of power needed to play movies02:13
zaydanahey peeps... can somebody tell me how to retry configuring my modem with DHCP after i've installed ubuntu?02:13
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lmlIs universe the test repo or is there an actual test or unstable repo for Ubuntu?02:15
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stvnlml: there will be testing repro for hoarty - AFAIK it's not yet there02:16
angie75hi there02:17
letheusstvn, ok02:19
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LinuxJoneszaydana, >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking02:22
zaydanak thanks02:22
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GotD0tRC1 got released02:25
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GotD0tfor firefox02:25
kenhi, anyone know the relation between ubuntu live and gnoppix ?02:26
LinuxJonesGotD0t, it's going gold on Nov. 8th I think02:26
Riddellken: they are different projects m,ade by different people02:26
GotD0tLinuxJones: really?02:26
lhbken: found out myself today that gnoppix is based on ubuntu02:26
LinuxJonesken, Ubuntu Live CD is based on Morphix which is a derivative of Knoppix02:26
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LinuxJonesGotD0t, ya02:27
kroWhats the easiest way to create an iso using ubuntu?02:27
kroFor instance, I want to make my own iso image of the ubuntu installer.02:27
keni d/l gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 and found that it is same as ubuntu live release !02:27
stvnLinuxJones: i thought that morphix is a derivative of gnoppix that being a derivative of knoppix ;)02:27
keni think: gnoppix from morphix from knoppix02:28
LinuxJonesstvn, gnoppix is a derivative of Morphix as well, There are too many distros to keep track of :)02:28
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GotD0tjust by looking at the name morphix sounds like the original02:28
LinuxJonesGotD0t, Morphix makes it super easy to create your own customized distro02:29
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kenmorphix tries to be modular, it uses mainmodule and minimodules02:29
GotD0twhats the U command do?02:29
stvnGotD0t: dist-upgrade02:30
kroSo no one here has created an iso using Ubuntu?02:30
stvnGotD0t: or upgrade dunno really, but at least mark all updatable packages02:30
lhbthe contact info on the gnoppix site says it all :)02:31
GotD0tok... well i gotta leave for class02:31
GotD0tbya ll02:31
kentI think that the "About Ubuntu" in the menu on the panel should open a program that shows some information about the system running, and information about updates (security etc), and newer releases, and so on.  As it is now, it only shows the Ubuntu homepage.02:31
GotD0tbye all*02:32
LinuxJoneskro, I think you can do it with xcdroast02:32
kroseems like there is no gnome app currently on par with k3b02:32
bob2kent: you can file an enhancement bug about that if you like02:32
LinuxJoneskro, no not at all :(02:32
kentbob2, where is the Ubuntu bugzilla?02:32
jonowhere are hal fdi files located?02:33
bob2kent: /topic02:33
stvnplaatje vergeten02:33
kroOh well, I just enabled the universe and I'm gonna install k3b.02:33
kentbob2, i found it.02:33
kroWhy was bugzilla chosen over the Debian BTS?02:33
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Gmaildoes any one know where i can insert a word and it use figlets to do its stuff02:33
angie75hi there02:34
LinuxJoneskro, k3b will cause problems on your system right now, I recently removed k3b :)02:34
bob2Gmail: erm, run figlet?02:34
angie75I would like to add some video codecs, any suggestions?02:34
kroLinuxJones: great.  What problems can I expect?02:34
Gmailbob2: i dont seem to have it installed02:34
MyKq3after i m type cat /proc/asound/cards i resive a plot  0 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI that means that i SoundCard is card 0 ?02:34
bob2Gmail: so install it02:34
bob2angie75: RestrictedFormats on the wiki02:35
LinuxJoneskro, when you run k3b you can't log back into gnome (after shutdown) you have to delete a file in your home dir to get back into gnome02:35
angie75bob2: uh tnx  :-) any sughgested videoplayer?02:35
bob2angie75: mplayer doesn't get my way02:35
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kroLinuxJones: that sucks.  What file did you delete?02:36
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Strisshey all...I'm wondering if theres any way to get Flash working in Firefox in Ubuntu PPC?02:36
Gmailbob2: i can by apt or do i have to use the perl way of installing scripts?02:36
angie75bob2: I probably need to compile it02:36
kroStriss: I think you're doomed.02:36
LinuxJoneskro, you will have to delete .ICEauthority02:36
GmailStriss: flsh working here02:36
Strissgood lord02:36
StrissGmail, how?02:36
Gmailadd universe to your sources.list02:37
Strissi cant find a flash plugin that works for ppc02:37
altanis it just me, or are the ubuntu Synaptic mirrors horribly slow02:37
bob2Gmail: apt-cache search figlet, dude02:37
MyKq3LinuxJones,  r u sure i think its enough just to recalme it  ( to move back the promision to his user  .. )02:37
Gmailthen apt-get install flash02:37
altani'm getting numbers like 300 bytes per second02:37
StrissGmail, ok i'll try that02:37
bob2Gmail: do you know the difference between ppc and i386?02:37
GmailStriss: it might be no be in ubuntu so get it from debian02:38
LinuxJonesaltan, it depends on your route to the servers I get great speeds :)02:38
Gmailbob2: yes02:38
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kroStriss: I think your only hope is swf-player, but its not that good.02:38
StrissGmail, that didnt work02:38
bob2Gmail: there's no package called "flash" in Debian, either02:38
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bob2Striss: ignore Gmail02:38
altanhmm, I'm on dialup, but it shouldn't be THIS slow02:38
LinuxJonesMyKq3, ya it will get re-created automagically :)02:38
GmailStriss: then its flash-nonfree02:38
Gmailor something like that02:38
zaydanaLinuxJones - thanks :) Got it working.02:38
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kroGmail: the non-free flash doesn't exist for ppc.02:39
Strissthere isnt a firefox plugin for flash ppc Gmail02:39
bob2Gmail: do you actually know that Macromedia has released a binary version of flash for ppc, or are you guessing?02:39
bob2Gmail: if you're guessing, please stop02:39
Strissi can't believe I won't be able to view flash pages, this is depressing02:39
kroAll we have on ppc is swf-player.02:39
Strissalmost makes me want to go back to os x02:39
kroWhich I haven't had much luck with.02:39
Gmailbob2: the is also libswf02:39
bob2Gmail: yes, but that's not what you said02:39
GmailStriss: you want a GPL'd uncomplete flash lib?02:40
Gmailbob2: well there is alway flash 4 mac02:40
bob2Gmail: can you stop it?02:40
Strissi'm not sure you know what you're talking about Gmail02:40
MyKq3LinuxJones,  yeah ^^ but remmber that he might burn it as a root .... and then we r back to point 102:40
GmailStriss: you want an uncomplete unoffical flash lib?02:40
Strissi want a flash plugin for firefox in ppc, i don't believe it exists02:41
LinuxJonesMyKq3, I think he has to burn as root that's the problem :)02:41
lifelessMithrandir: amd64 hangs - kernel oops 00202:41
MyKq3LinuxJones,  thatz what i m saying ...02:41
GmailStriss: there is something will play *some* flash files02:41
StrissGmail, and what is that02:41
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MyKq3LinuxJones,  he will allways bune cdz as a root ( for the pramision ) so any time the  .ICEauthority will b recrated it will b in the ownership of the root user ...02:43
Mithrandirlifeless: randomly or when doing foo?02:43
LinuxJonesMyKq3, ya I know :)02:43
GmailStriss: wait a sec02:44
LinuxJonesMyKq3, but it shouldn't do that02:44
lifelessMithrandir: when using the machine :|02:44
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lifelessdoesn't happen with an ix86 install on the same box02:44
StrissWhat sound server is gnome2.8 using?02:45
GmailStriss: libflash0, libswfdec002:45
Gmailnot sure about the second one deing in ppc02:46
Strisswondering how i can play a .wav file while mp3's are playing02:46
GmailStriss: and swf-player02:46
satorstriss use bplay02:46
LinuxJonesStriss, esd or alsa in gstreamer-properties you can change it there. Depending on your hardware that is.02:47
Strissmy mp3 player works fine, and system events will play while i have mp3's on...But in aMSN i need to to tell it what app to use to play the sound events02:48
benjanetWhere do i change the language of my Ubuntu, i want to go from Spanish->English02:48
GmailStriss: i am not sure on the type of support swf-player wound have but it does do the *basic* job02:48
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mjressentially you can forget about interactive flash stuff with swf-player but you might get the animated commercials ;)02:49
Strisswhat app goes gnome use to trigger sound events?02:49
mjrand incidentally, anyone wanting flash for an unsupported platform should bug macromedia a bit about freeing the player :)02:50
Treenaksmjr: s/wanting flash for an unsupported platform//02:50
GmailStriss: gstreamer02:51
jordiGmail: or esound, depends on what he means02:51
Gmailjordi: or oss or alsa if you changed it from the defualt settings02:52
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Mithrandirlifeless: it's kinda hard to debug without more information..02:52
jordiGmail: the actual program that talks to the device is esound, if in use02:53
StrissGmail, is there anyway I can get gstreamer to play a wav file?02:53
jordithat's what I mean.02:53
Strissi just need to figure this out so i can get aMSN to play sound events02:53
lhbjordi: you saw that one coming :)02:54
jordiStriss: that depends on what amsn uses to do sound. :)02:54
jordilhb: heh02:54
lifelessMithrandir: what would you like - dmesg? transcribed (all 3 lines) of oops?02:54
NewComerStriss: how about converting them to some other format that gstreamer support, and still name them *.wav02:54
Strissjordi, it has a field that you fill out, to tell it what application to use to trigger a sound event02:54
Mithrandirlifeless: oops would be a start, yes.02:55
Strissright now it's set to use "play"02:55
lifelessI'll copy n paste for you shortly.02:55
lifeless(manual that is)02:55
Mithrandirlifeless: thanks02:55
jordiStriss: I guess that'd be a problem, because play will want to use the device, which is probably locked by esound already.02:56
Gmailamsn uses the comand server of your chose02:56
sid77question: where are saved iptables rules?02:56
Strissjordi, exactly, thats why i want to figure out what command line i replace play with02:56
GmailStriss: just use: play <file>02:56
StrissGmail, that doesn't work02:57
Strissie, what jordi said02:57
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bob2sid77: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz02:58
GmailStriss: do you have the write modules probed for sound?02:58
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jordiGmail: I don't expect play to grok esound too well. :)02:58
Strisssound works fine02:58
jordiGmail: he just needs a play replacement that does esound.02:58
Strissif i knew what commandline to issue instead of play i'd be fine02:58
Strissgnome sound events work fine02:58
jordiis xmms included in ubuntu?02:58
jordithat might be an overkill, but...02:58
Gmailuse rplay <file>02:58
MyKq3Striss,  have u fixed the problem  ?02:58
jordiStriss: maybe there's something good in esound-clients02:59
Strissrplay is not a command02:59
Gmailbut make sure rplay is config to use esound02:59
StrissMyKq3, nope02:59
GmailStriss: apt-get install rplay02:59
jordiStriss: there appears to be a "esdplay" in -clients.02:59
Strissi'm a little hesitant to try that02:59
MyKq3Striss  okay thats what we will do03:00
Strissi was wondering why esdplay wasn't there03:00
Strissi have esd but no esdplay03:00
jordiprobably the clients package is not useful to the average ubuntu user03:00
Strissahh ok now we're getting somewhere03:00
MyKq3Striss. type this comand tell me that u resive  cat /proc/asound/cards03:00
jordiMyKq3: sounds works ok. It's just the play command.03:01
sid77bob2, tnx03:01
Strissjordi, can i just apt-get esound-clients ?03:01
MyKq3Striss,  he sayed he can't start two soud servers on the same time .... and that he used alsa... didn't he ?03:01
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Strissno no03:02
MyKq3sorry it was for jordi03:02
StrissI think jordi has me all fixed up03:02
Strissi'll know in a minute03:02
jordiStriss: I assume so, I have no ubuntu systems up running rght now03:02
MyKq3ohh okay ...03:02
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MyKq3gl to ya man ^^03:02
Strissjordi, w00t it worked! all i needed was esdplay, thanks03:02
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jordiStriss: great!03:03
Strissi'll send you a chocolate cake in the mail03:03
Strissi owe you one03:03
jordihehe, np!03:03
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bob2jordi: traitor!03:03
jordibob2: because no ubuntu box running? Well, I'm doing packages for Debian in this very rght moment you know :)03:04
bob2jordi: excuses :-p03:04
jordiI know, but the general public will accept that as a valid excuse :)03:04
Gmailjordi uses debain!03:05
Gmailjordi: run ubuntu and debian03:06
Gmailon the same box03:06
MyKq3g night ppl03:06
jordiGmail: sure :)03:06
Gmailwith the same /home partion03:06
Gmailjordi: whats taking so long03:06
bob2Gmail: erm, jordi is more than capable of doing that if he wants to03:06
Gmailubuntu takes a few min to install03:07
bob2Gmail: you might want to check who made the alsa packages you're using, for instance03:07
Gmaili know03:07
Gmailjordi: makes gnome in debian'03:07
jordiI'm seb128's puppet.03:08
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jordiI'm doing a long and painful compile of alsa-modules-i386 for unstable.03:08
benjanetwhat happens if debian and ubuntu software have different versions of software, what happens with files that are in the /home shared partition03:08
jordithat means compiling the same shit for 7 kernel flavours.03:08
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jordibenjanet: most of the time, nothing. In some cases you might run into trouble03:09
jordibenjanet: mozilla* might be problematic03:09
jordiand some gnome stuff03:09
jordifabbione: thanks. When will it be in Debian dude? :D03:09
benjanetjordi, so its better to have a pure /home :p03:09
Gmailhttp://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html says swf-player is version 1.3 nor and 1.4 is coming soon03:09
fabbionejordi: as soon as sarge release and i finish the packages?03:10
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Gmailand in debian AND ubuntu swf-player is version?03:10
jordiI'm compiling the last flavour right now.03:10
jordifabbione: you mean there's _NO_ chance of sticking xorg in Sarge? There's time! You can make it!03:10
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fabbionejordi: i know i can make it, if i only had 48 hours a day03:11
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fabbionejordi: but than i will have to send you my gf :P03:11
grubermanlol, frozen bubble is addictive03:12
Strissis it generally safe to apt-get remove stuff?03:13
Gmailunless it was lg-6703:14
jordiStriss: in the case of frozen-bubble, it is more than safe, it should be recommended.03:14
Strissi used to play that quite a bit03:14
Strissi forgot about it until now...thanks a lot03:14
Strissnow i'm gonna have to get that03:14
jordiStriss: well, depends on what stuff. If you remove bash, you're on trouble, besides APT will whine loudly to stop you from doing that.03:14
jordiooh, build finished03:15
Gmailwhy do people say the dh_* stuff is easier than dpkg-deb its so hard to swap over03:15
bob2Gmail: "swap over"?03:16
Gmailbob2: change over03:16
bob2Gmail: no one actually ever makes packages using dpkg-deb to begin with03:16
bob2unless they're insane03:16
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bob2what did you actually package using nothing but dpkg-deb?03:17
Keybuk*technically* everyone does :D  but the sane way is to use dh_builddeb (which calls dpkg-deb)03:18
Gmailjordi: can you take over swf-player version 1.3 is out and 0.2.2 was out before 199903:18
bob2Keybuk: pedant!03:18
Keybukbob2: maintainer03:18
bob2Keybuk: hm, point03:18
Gmailbob2: i did but all the file nede where already made03:18
bob2Gmail: so you took someone else's package, instead of starting from scratch?03:19
bob2being dpkg maintainer makes you invulnerable to nearly all arguments about anything, bastard03:19
Gmailbob2: look at sf.net/projects/zmanim03:19
Gmailbob2: look at http://sf.net/projects/zmanim03:20
Strissjordi, i'm apt-getting frozen bubble, doom is at hand03:20
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Strissso much for leaving my room03:20
Nermalas in creates.. not ignites03:20
Gmailthis is debian unstable: Package: swf-player (0.2.2-7)03:20
Gmail1.1x  23 Feb 199903:20
Treenaksno, swf03:21
Nermalooh.. sharp03:21
TreenaksNermal: C# ?03:21
Gmailno really did the maintanor forget to make new package sence 199*?03:21
Nermalcould be03:21
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bob2Gmail: chill, dude03:22
Gmailjordi: where do i file that a maintanor abaded a program ??03:22
Gmailbob2: ok03:23
bob2Gmail: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swfdec.html03:23
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bob2there was an upload less than a month ago03:24
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atariboy`is it a known issue that NTP doesn't work via the gnome time and date settings?03:24
Gmailbob2: i am talking about swift-player03:25
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fabbioneatariboy`: yes03:25
bob2Gmail: please read that page03:25
Gmailbob2: diffrent projects03:25
Gmaili see03:25
bob2Gmail: read that page03:25
Gmailbut i guess he is still going to the old project page03:25
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Gmailbob2: well he is going to the old project page from the look of it03:28
Gmaillook at http://www.google.com/search?q=swf-player+%2B+linux&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-803:28
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Gmailand i am not sure if gameswf or swfplayer is better as gameswf can do flash player 7 files but is in the public domain and has lots of errors and not GTK+03:30
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jordigone for food at last03:31
Gmailjordi: what about me :(03:32
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grubermangah, wife coming home soon. Time to do something03:33
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Gmailgruberman: *what*?03:35
Gmailbob2: the project continued here http://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html03:35
grubermanlook busy? :)03:35
Gmailbut they are getting there sources from:03:36
StrissI have a usb tv tuner that works in OS X, is there any way to get it working in ubuntu?03:36
Gmailmac has usb 0_003:36
Strissthe tuner has no support for anything other than os x tho03:37
TreenaksStriss: what's the make/model?03:37
TreenaksStriss: (lsusb will tell you more, as well)03:37
Strisseskapelabs myTVx03:37
StrissmyTV2Go actually03:37
Strissi don't expect it to work at all03:37
bob2Striss: do linux drivers exist?03:38
GmailStriss: mac drivers are easy to port to linux comparted to winblows drivers03:38
Strissbob2, not that i know of03:38
Strisswondering if its supported under bttv03:38
jonois universe syncing with unstable daily at the moment?03:38
bob2Gmail: have you ported a binary mac os x driver to linux?03:38
TreenaksStriss: Eskape Labs are owned by Hauppauge03:38
MMouseim new to ubuntu, but interested in any focus on the management of boxes running ubuntu- is ubuntu on the OpenIPMI path?03:38
Treenaksso it's basically a WinTV USB03:39
bob2jono: it's syncing, yes, don't know about the frequency03:39
TreenaksStriss: and that seems to work..03:39
bob2jono: (only for hoary, of course; warty is frozen)03:39
jonobob2, ok thanks03:39
Gmailbob2: i ment from source03:39
jonodo I need to change sources.list to get hoary?03:39
bob2Gmail: how many mac os X drivers have you ported?03:39
bob2jono: don't use hoary03:39
StrissTreenaks, i'll give it a shot and see if it works03:39
jonois it broken bob2?03:39
Nermalwhat kernel does ubuntu come with ?03:39
bob2jono: yes03:39
jonoNermal, a linux kernel :)03:40
jonoNermal, 2.6.8 I think03:40
jonoNermal, yeah
bob2Nermal: + a bazillion drivers and patches03:40
Gmailbob2: none i never look at anyone doing one but its easier than porting a winblows driver03:40
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bob2Gmail: please stop making unsubstantiated statements03:41
MMousehey I saw one of the preview ubuntu's with naked people as the desktop. is that on the ftp site? ;)03:43
bob2they weren't naked03:43
bob2but it's still available in ubuntu03:44
stvnMMouse: it's in the ubuntu-artwork package03:44
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MMousehmm dont seem to be on the live cd. that's ok. downloading the iso now.03:49
biscuitshow do i install dynamic link libraries e.g. opengl, glu, sdl?03:50
Treenaksbiscuits: they're installed automatically, by stuff depending on it03:50
biscuitshmm ok03:51
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bob2biscuits: or do you mean for buildign stuff?03:51
biscuitsill recreate the message i get03:51
biscuitsis it ok to paste the message i get in here?03:52
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stvnbiscuits: paste in #flood if it is longer than 1 line03:54
biscuitsok pasted in there03:54
bob2biscuits: while running what?03:55
stvnbiscuits: it's only one line ;)03:55
biscuitsits a  game called "cube"03:55
bob2install libsdl-image1.203:56
biscuitsi take it that apt-get doesnt work for that04:01
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bob2you can install the paclage with apt04:02
dnielsenooh.. Hoary breakiness soon, yay I nolonger have to be bored04:03
biscuitsok bob2 i feel dumb how do i install it with apt-get?04:03
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bob2how do you normally install packages?04:04
bob2apt-get install libsdl-image1.204:04
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bob2dnielsen: broken = unusable04:04
dnielsenbob2, I know - I'm wellversed in the dark magic that is bugzilla04:05
bob2dnielsen: I more meant that stuff isn't actually installable now04:05
biscuitsE: Couldn't find package libsdl-image1.204:06
jamaasCan anyone give me a clue why I get an error message saying "cups server could not be contacted"?  If I reinstall about 12 cups packages it all works fine until I reboot?  This is a notebook that travels so that happens fairly often.  Thanks Jim04:06
dnielsenI know, I'm just saying a little while and I can start breaking stuff.. I just hope my monitor doesn't fry this time04:06
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stvnbiscuits: enable the universe04:06
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stvnbiscuits: unmcooment the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list or with synaptic04:07
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biscuitsok sweet04:11
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biscuitswhy were they commented out in the forst place?04:11
stvnbiscuits: they are not supported by ubuntu devs04:12
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jamaasCups ... I've just ps -A and not a single cups process shows up, How do I start the cups server?04:12
timothy`Im liking ubuntu.04:12
biscuitsah ok04:12
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timothy`I used to be gentoo04:12
timothy`the only thing I dont like is the outated ;-)04:12
Gmailtimothy`: name me someone who isnt?04:12
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Gmailtimothy`: wait till hoary comes out04:13
timothy`next year?04:13
stvntimothy`: 6 months04:13
spacey`kiis it correct that ubuntu has really few video/audio codecs??04:13
Gmailtimothy`:  i ment till the branch is working04:14
stvnspacey`ki: check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:14
spacey`kiah yes thanks04:15
spacey`kii see04:15
timothy`ill be back on gentoo in 6 months04:15
timothy`timothy@ubuntu:~ $ uname -a04:15
timothy`Linux ubuntu #1 Tue Oct 12 14:12:34 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux04:15
spacey`kii'm surpised ubunta has gnome 2.8 but is still using xfree4.304:16
Nermaltimothy, any packages out of date in particular?04:16
Nermalwhat ver are they on04:16
timothy`x.. we need xorg!04:16
Nermal1.0.2 is on gentoo..04:17
timothy`gaim 1.0.004:17
Nermalthats not too bad04:17
timothy`gentoo is source04:17
Nermalall the protocols still work04:17
timothy`i love my gentoo04:17
timothy`but all the errors04:17
spacey`kineed xorg and Firefox 1pre stuff04:17
Nermalfirefox 1.0 rc1 is out now :)04:17
timothy`xchat 2.4.004:17
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timothyi dont know this dudes pass04:17
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Gmailany chances on sun making a java deb?04:18
TimothyKanhey timothy04:18
spacey`kiyes xchat is outdated too04:18
TimothyKanyou are using my nickname04:18
spacey`kia few versions even04:18
timothy`my name was timothy first!04:18