[12:00] <Tenniru> Cool.
[12:01] <Tenniru> Got it.
[12:01] <Tenniru> I'm also going to attempt installing the Opera deb, as Firefox doesn't work for me.
[12:01] <ogra> Tenniru: drop it in your home folder
[12:01] <ogra> Tenniru: open a terminal
[12:02] <Tenniru> Root?
[12:02] <ogra> Tenniru: if you like, both is fine
[12:02] <Tenniru> Yay
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: so root term ?
[12:03] <Tenniru> yes
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: ok type: dpkg -i mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.3g3_powerpc.deb
[12:03] <will> any one know how to make a ubuntu boot floppy?
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: copy n paste is your friend ;)
[12:04] <Tenniru> Or tab completion.
[12:04] <ogra> Tenniru: yes ;)
[12:10] <makia> has anyone gotten psi to work with SSL on ubuntu?
[12:10] <LinuxJones> will, look @ the man page for mkboot. I don't think that it will work because the 2.6 kernel is rather large but give it a try and see what happens :)
[12:11] <will> linuxjones: thanks is it on the ubuntu website?
[12:12] <LinuxJones> will, in console type man mkboot
[12:13] <LinuxJones> will, Even better would be to download the Ubuntu Live CD and use that as a recovery tool ;)
[12:14] <schweeb> GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND BOYZ! I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT OUTCOME!
[12:14] <schweeb> shit
[12:14] <schweeb> sorry... mouse freaked out there
[12:14] <will> linuxjones: its for my laptop, that cant boot off a CD
[12:15] <LinuxJones> will, ahh
[12:15] <schweeb> if your laptop can do PXE boot, you could set that up... there's guides on debian.org
[12:15] <will> schweeb:will have a look
[12:15] <will> goodnight ppl!
[12:16] <Tenniru> Geh! The package is BROKEN!
[12:16] <Tenniru> I'll just use xine.
[12:17] <ogra> Tenniru: ok, thats weird.....you should uninstall it with: dpkg -r mplayer
[12:20] <ThreeDayMonk> I edited my XF86Config file and broke it :-)  I get a nice ascii-graphics error message to tell me this, but the detailed X server output is just a generic message.  Can I get a detailed description anywhere?
[12:22] <ThreeDayMonk> never mind; I found the problem
[12:23] <ogra> x
[12:23] <Echramath> Morning.
[12:24] <ogra> 00:23:31
[12:25] <nullboy> Hey all, quick question:  I'm running debian testing.  Can I just change my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade to get ubuntu or do I have to install from cd?
[12:25] <jdub> nullboy: you can, but it's not recommended
[12:25] <ogra> nullboy: only woody: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[12:26] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, >> cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:26] <ThreeDayMonk> LinuxJones: ah, thanks; that's what I couldn't remember
[12:26] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, ;)
[12:26] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm trying to get my triple-monitor setup working :-)
[12:27] <ogra> wooh
[12:27] <ThreeDayMonk> I've got two out of three so far - the PCI ATI card is OK, and the left screen on the nVidia dual-head is working
[12:27] <ThreeDayMonk> can't get the right one up though :-(
[12:27] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, you have 3 monitors ? I have 1 that is total crap :D
[12:27] <ThreeDayMonk> LinuxJones: yeah - just got it toda
[12:28] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, nice
[12:28] <nullboy>  Ok, I'll check out that URL.  Thanks guys.
[12:28] <ThreeDayMonk> I had a totally crap computer before, but a nice 17" panel, and the replacement computer came with 2 more, so I bought a second PCI video card for the full three-monitor Matrix effect :-)
[12:29] <stvn> nullboy: if you are comfortable with version selection in aptitude, you can upgrade from testing
[12:29] <ThreeDayMonk> actually, is anyone else using an nVidia dual-head card?
[12:29] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: r0x0r3d O.o
[12:29] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, I want a photo of that when you get it up and running :)
[12:29] <stvn> nullboy: it's quite some work to get all the dependencies right for ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop, but other than that, it runs fine
[12:30] <devolve> anyone successfully installed ubuntu onto a SATA drive?
[12:30] <ThreeDayMonk> LinuxJones: sure - just help me configure this last monitor :-)
[12:30] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: I've tried getting my tv out + monitor going with my nVdia card does that count?
[12:30] <jdub> devolve: yeah
[12:30] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I think so
[12:30] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, like I said I have 1 monitor and that's enough for me to handle :D
[12:30] <socomm> s/nVdia/nVidia
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: you have it working, then?
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> using the nvidia driver?
[12:31] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, when you get it working you should write a HowTo and put it on the Wiki.
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> I will
[12:31] <kapputu> hi folks
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> ...when the Wiki is ported
[12:31] <LinuxJones> kapputu, hi
[12:31] <ogra> kapputu: hi
[12:31] <kapputu> just when I was extolling the coolness of ubuntu to everyone, it disappointed me
[12:32] <devolve> jdub: did it show up when you were editing the partition table?
[12:32] <jdub> devolve: yeah
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: nope, you can only get tvout with the nvidia driver. The nv driver does not support that.
[12:32] <kapputu> hi ogra, LinuxJones
[12:32] <jdub> devolve: what sata chipset do you have?
[12:32] <kapputu> yesterday night, my battery died out and my machine restarted
[12:32] <devolve> jdub: Nforce3 250mb
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Go through nVidia's README, it should be explained there how to get things going.
[12:32] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: yeah - the nv driver doesn't do dual, either, so I'm using the commercial driver
[12:32] <kapputu> did a disk check and booted again
[12:32] <kapputu> without sound !!
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: good luck.
[12:32] <nullboy> quit
[12:32] <kapputu> my sound card shows up under device manager
[12:32] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: thanks - is that README on line or somewhere on my disk?
[12:33] <kapputu> but when I started alsa, it says no soundcards
[12:33] <jdub> devolve: you might want to try dropping to a console (alt-f2) and doing a modprobe sata_nv
[12:33] <kapputu> this is weird
[12:33] <devolve> jdub: not sure this isn't a hardware configuration issue not related to os...
[12:33] <kapputu> any ideas guys ?
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: volome-control works ?
[12:33] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: should be in your /usr/share/docs/nvidia or something
[12:33] <kapputu> no
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: whats the error ?
[12:33] <kapputu> no sound
[12:33] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: and of course it's online, should be on the same page when you downloaded the drivers off the nvidia site.
[12:33] <devolve> jdub: cannot install os yet.  only free drive is sata.  all others ntfs with data I eventally want on them...
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: if you use vol-contr. do you get an error ?
[12:34] <kapputu> no
[12:34] <kapputu> but it gets back to zero
[12:34] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I just installed the package using apt-get, so I never saw the page; that's why I was asking
[12:34] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: I'll try to get you a link give me a sec.
[12:34] <ogra> kapputu: everything unmuted ?
[12:34] <jdub> devolve: when the installer boots, jump to a console...
[12:34] <kapputu> baah i convinced my manager today to switch to ubuntu
[12:35] <kapputu> and i come back and see this
[12:35] <kapputu> i cannot increase sound
[12:35] <ogra> kapputu: does lsmod|grep mixer give any output in a terminal ?
[12:35] <kapputu> nope
[12:35] <socomm> kapputu: you'll need to change permissions to your /dev/dsp
[12:36] <devolve> jdub: gotcha
[12:36] <kapputu> there is no dsp under dev
[12:36] <ogra> kapputu: try: sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[12:36] <ogra> kapputu: and: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss
[12:36] <socomm> kapputu: /.dev ?
[12:36] <Acridien> I can't load an usb device
[12:42] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/README.txt
[12:42] <Acridien> it just detects it
[12:42] <Echramath> Er, could somebody tell me what the "custom" actually means in mplayer-custom?
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: modprobe sata_nv <enter>    does nothing.  I get a # again..
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: that's good
[12:42] <Acridien> but no information about the device name or driver
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: now go through the rest of the process
[12:42] <jdub> Kamion: dude?
[12:42] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: There's a section on dual monitors there, If I recall correctly.
[12:42] <kapputu> ok i did the modprobes
[12:42] <kapputu> socomm, i have a dsp under .dev
[12:42] <kapputu> and dsp0, dsp1, dsp2
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: that should be it.
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: dont touch .dev
[12:42] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: yeah - found it; thanks
[12:42] <kapputu> ok
[12:42] <socomm> ls -l dsp0
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: look at you vol-control
[12:42] <ogra> your
[12:42] <kapputu> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-10-21 17:39 dsp0
[12:42] <kapputu> i did Ohmer
[12:42] <kapputu> oops
[12:42] <kapputu> i did ogra
[12:42] <ogra> *g*
[12:42] <kapputu> i can't increase the volume
[12:42] <kapputu> i mean i can't even open volume control
[12:42] <kapputu> no mixer elements or devices found
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: log out and in again, the modules should have solved it
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: chmod 777 /.dev/dsp0
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: though that's a bit off a security risk.
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: it does not show up under partition disks... I get ide1 master/slave, and ide5 master... all ntfs partitions.  have new shiny spanking wd200gb SATA hooked up to SATA3 in there.
[12:42] <kapputu> socomm, i'll do what ogra said for now and if it doesn't work i'll follow what you said
[12:42] <kapputu> i hope you understand
[12:42] <socomm> okay.
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: ok, one sec
[12:42] <kapputu> hope to be back with good news guys
[12:42] <kapputu> adios
[12:42] <jdub> Kamion: ping
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: I see nothing about said drive in post.  That could be my problem.
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: aha
[12:42] <jdub> make sure the sata interface is enabled, etc
[12:42] <jdub> it's there for safety
[12:42] <ogra> jdub: not here
[12:42] <ogra> jdub: at least not in ~
[12:42] <sysop> Just finished installing Ubuntu 15 minutes ago. Great OS! Works perfectly.
[12:42] <delire> has anyone else has problems installing at the point of bsdutils and nautilus???
[12:42] <ogra> sysop: nice to hear
[12:42] <Kamion> jdub: hmm?
[12:43] <LinuxJones> sysop, it is very impressive isn't it :)
[12:58] <delire> i can't install ubuntu it seems sadly. i've tried 7 cd's all have failed at these points
[12:58] <sysop> very impressive...clean, simple, easy to use and install
[12:58] <jdub> Kamion: ideas on devolve's sata_nv stuff? only solutions i've heard is loading the driver
[12:58] <jdub> Kamion: might be a bios config issue though
[12:58] <Kamion> not offhand, if that's actually the correct driver?
[12:58] <jdub> yeah, it's nforce3
[12:58] <delire> i really can't go on burning more cd's, so i'll go with good old debian..
[12:58] <Kamion> there've been a few SATA issues solved by BIOS tweaking
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: sounds like you're burning at too high a speed; those files are correct in the ISO
[12:58] <ogra> delire: did you burn at _very_ low speed ? and checked the md5 sums ?
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: i'm burning at 2 times
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: try going back to the main menu and running the verification check
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: ok
[12:58] <Kamion> there seem to be a lot of unreliable burners out there
[12:58] <ogra> seems like, odd
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: but the debian CD's work fine
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: the Ubuntu CDs have worked fine for a lot of people too
[12:58] <Kamion> you could wait for pressed CDs ...
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> woohoo!
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: i can't no time. i fly to norway in the morning to give a conference.
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> triple-screen xinerama desktop
[12:58] <Kamion> ah
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: how to use usb memory stick with ubuntu ?
[12:58] <kapputu> ok ogra, your suggestion din't work
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: thanks anyway! the debian CD's worked so i'll run with those
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: sorry, but it *is* a classic symptom of bad CD :(
[12:58] <Kamion> I'm not sure why it tends to fail in the base system and not beforehand
[12:58] <Kamion> maybe we just get less clear reports in the latter case
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, your md5 checksum is ok on the .iso you downloaded ?
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: quite possibly..
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion: if your german can cope with it: http://www.deppenleerzeichen.de/ ;)
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: yep that's fine
[12:58] <devolve> jdub: sata3+4 are enabled, will try enabling sata3/sata4 dma transfer... I know this is a little off topic...
[12:58] <jdub> devolve: no, it's an install issue ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> i want to fix this thing so that I can gloat as to how Ubuntu is a good distro
[12:58] <stvn> delire: stop by in .nl and you can get a nicely working cd ;)
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: what kind of aoundcard
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: I can't make my usb memory stick to functional state
[12:58] <delire> stvn: hehe maybe in march ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> ess allegro laptop
[12:58] <delire> stvn: for now good ol' debian. maybe with my next lappie
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: did you try chmoding your /.dev/dsp0?
[12:58] <stvn> delire: debian is good anyway ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> no was it chmod 777 ?
[12:58] <delire> stvn: i've been happy with it for 4 years
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: yeah, or 770
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: hmm, type dmesg |tail -10 in a terminal and look for usb messages after plugging in
[12:58] <delire> stvn: just not good when you need a working system ina n hour ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> ok then ?
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: what is dmesg already ?
[12:58] <stvn> delire: me too, this box has been running debian for at least 4 years without reinstall
[12:58] <Kamion> ogra: heh, I can make out enough to be amused
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: try that and then run aumix
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion: *g*
[12:58] <stvn> delire: true, must say ubuntu solved that problem for me
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> Acridien: shows you the kernel messages - the ones that scroll by when booting
[12:58] <kapputu> cannot find aumix
[12:58] <Acridien> ThreeDayMonk: tx
[12:58] <socomm> apt-get install aumix
[12:58] <kapputu> yep i'm doing that
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: its an driver issue, else youd see dsp in /dev
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, you should have a backup image of your system @ all times :)
[12:58] <kapputu> well it worked before
[12:58] <kapputu> I'd hate to install Ubuntu again
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: shows your system messages
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: ?
[12:58] <kapputu> aumix - error opening mixer
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: so lets sort it out
[12:58] <kapputu> yep
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: same thing happens on my brothers login, I just change the permissions on dsp and everything is kosher
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: with debian? no.. not on my 5 machines
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: minus the gnome-applet
[12:58] <kapputu> sure socomm
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[12:58] <Acridien> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[12:58] <Acridien> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[12:58] <Acridien> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 6
[12:58] <Acridien> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 8
[12:58] <kapputu> hmm minus ??
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: nothing more
[12:58] <socomm> The little speaker on your panel won't work.
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: what kind of soundcard ?
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, for quick emergency type situations you should have a backup of your system that can easily be restored in like 15 mins :)
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: so your device is there, thats good....
[12:58] <kapputu> pci, ess1988 allegro
[12:58] <socomm> ogra his soundcard works. It's just that something is fscked.
[12:58] <RubenV> anyone knows what you have to do if your firefox quick searches are gone?
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: yeah but i don't know how to locate it in the fs
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: have you tried running esd?
[12:58] <RubenV> i can't use the google box anymore
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: and write on it
[12:58] <kapputu> no
[12:58] <kapputu> esd - /dev/dsp : no such file or directory
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: it should mount automagically.....
[12:58] <socomm> RubenV: what to do? commit suicide. :^P
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: where
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: these are two brand new laptops. sadly the cd's i burnt for ubuntu have bad lines so no go for tonight.
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: ln -s /.dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: as root
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: on your desktop :(
[12:58] <kapputu> ok
[12:58] <kapputu> done
[12:58] <socomm> RubenV: something probably fscked with your chrome configuration.
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: does esd work now?
[12:58] <kapputu> no
[12:58] <kapputu> same error
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, that is just bad luck :(
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: i think its sudo modprobe snd-es1938 , but not sure....
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: cd /dev, ls -l dsp
[12:58] <devolve> jdub: still no sata drive showing up in partitoner.  feel cheated for settling for a socket754 solution instead of going the next step to socket939.  socket754 deadends at my 3200+, maybe I could go up to 3400+... msi k8 neo.
[12:58] <cardador> anyone knows how to get gtk applicatins looking good?
[12:58] <stvn> night all
[12:58] <kapputu> ogra, sudo modprobe es1938 worked
[12:58] <kapputu> i mean there was no error
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: use your imagination. :^)
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: vol ?
[12:58] <devolve> but it should be doable.......
[12:58] <LinuxJones> cardador, you mean the fonts ?
[12:58] <lifeless> I bought my girlfriend an AMD64 yesterday.
[12:58] <kapputu> socomm, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           10 2004-10-27 18:54 dsp -> /.dev/dsp0
[12:58] <socomm> LinuxJones: I think he means the widgets
[12:58] <cardador> LinuxJones: i mean buttons, etc
[12:58] <cardador> yap
[12:58] <lifeless> installed ubuntu i386, works perfectly.
[12:58] <kapputu> ogra, same error
[12:58] <cardador> and its gtk, not gtk2
[12:58] <lifeless> installed ubuntu amd64, get kernel oops.
[12:58] <lifeless> :[
[12:58] <kapputu> no mixer elements found
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: d'oh
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: nforce3 based?
[12:58] <lifeless> any suggestions ?
[12:58] <lifeless> jdub: ack
[12:58] <devolve> lifeless, did you install onto a sata drive?
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: try install bluecurve
[12:58] <lifeless> devolve: nope
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: bug Mithrandir :)
[12:58] <lifeless> all plain ol ide
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: actually scratch that.
[12:58] <lifeless> Mithrandir: P I N G
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: found the right module
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: don't know.
[12:58] <UnIData> how to stop or start an service ?
[12:58] <socomm> UnIData: /etc/init.d/service stop|start|restart
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: sudo modprobe snd-maestro3
[12:58] <LinuxJones> UnIData, /etc/init.d/<service script name > start stop restart
[12:58] <kapputu> Great !! ogra, it works
[12:59] <devolve> ok... well, i tried booting the ubuntu live cd, but I guess that did not work because it is i386 instead of amd64...
[12:59] <ogra> kapputu: but that it not gets loaded on boot is weird....
[12:59] <ThreeDayMonk> grr... is there any way to stop gnome from always popping up new windows in front?
[12:59] <kapputu> what could have happened, that made it stop from loading it on boot ?
[12:59] <devolve> anyone know of a 64bit live distro I could boot off of to check to see what's going on?
[12:59] <kapputu> it was working till it got restarted
[01:00] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service
[01:00] <Kamion> lifeless: I'd be inclined to paste the oops into a bug report
[01:00] <kapputu> and how do i load it on boot ?
[01:00] <splinta> so...where would one get a set of backgrounds that quite naturally devlops the story line hinted at in the inter-racial triad ? ;o)
[01:00] <Kamion> lifeless: might require a bit of transcribing though
[01:00] <ogra> kapputu: look if hotplug is working.... try running the device manager
[01:00] <devolve> or should I just be able to use a 32bit one?
[01:01] <kapputu> ok i think hotplug is not working
[01:01] <ogra> kapputu: thats the error
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> sysop: :)
[01:01] <kapputu> th reason is, I used to get an error about pciehp.ko and sh..ko not being modprobed
[01:01] <kapputu> i dint get it in the last two reboots
[01:01] <splinta> i'd like to try it...whats the ship time to us if i order a set mailed ?
[01:01] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service
[01:01] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Windows
[01:02] <ogra> mdz .... look some lines above
[01:02] <LinuxJones> sysop, I hated Gnome until I installed Ubuntu and actually gave it a chance. I would neve go back to KDE :P
[01:02] <kapputu> ogra, i don't get u
[01:02] <ogra> kapputu: ??
[01:02] <stuNNed> hi all
[01:02] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service.In fedora is chkconfig service on ...
[01:02] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: no, not there :-(
[01:02] <sysop> LinuxJones: Agreed, I thought KDE was it...glad I foubnd out different
[01:02] <kapputu> oh i thought u were saying something to me
[01:02] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I got triple monitors working, by the way
[01:02] <LinuxJones> UnIData, you use update-rc.d
[01:02] <devolve> <breaking out the gentoo amd64 disk>
[01:02] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Bastard!
[01:03] <ThreeDayMonk> photos coming shortly
[01:03] <stuNNed> so with ubuntu i can get debs from debian apt repo's?
[01:03] <kapputu> ThreeDayMonk, I might need your help with that
[01:03] <splinta> those hotties in the 'banned' backgrounds is worth instaklling for ;o)
[01:03] <LinuxJones> sysop, the only app I miss is K3b  really :)
[01:03] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Don't think there's a configuration app for metacity.
[01:03] <Kamion> stuNNed: we recommend against that, it can cause amusing incompatibilities.
[01:03] <stuNNed> Kamion: ok thanks
[01:03] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: try googling for a metacity-setup app or something, that or switch to another wm.
[01:03] <jdub> splinta: they weren't 'banned' -> install ubuntu-calendar
[01:04] <splinta> ;o)
[01:04] <ogra> kapputu: you can just ignore the errors ..... according to mdz tey are just cosmetic (even if the just generated an hour of support)
[01:04] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: I'm going to write it up - it is actually very simple apart from the tedious XF86Config-4 editing
[01:04] <sysop> LinuxJones: True, but I hear that won't be missing from Ubuntu for long! :-)
[01:04] <splinta> any more.. ??
[01:04] <Kamion> stuNNed: use the Ubuntu 'universe' repository instead if you want stuff not in the supported set; it's Debian compiled against Ubuntu, basically
[01:04] <kapputu> hmm but it consumes time and I would like the bootup to be faster
[01:04] <kapputu> anyway how do I start hotplug ?
[01:04] <ogra> kapputu: start your hotplug on boot please, a lot of hw depends on it
[01:05] <stuNNed> Kamion: ah ok, is ubuntu binary distro or source distro? how is laptop support? any DSDT support out of the box?
[01:05] <kapputu> it got turned off somehow
[01:05] <splinta> jdub...whats the mail time for a pressed set >
[01:05] <mdz> ogra: hotplug is set up correctly by default; if there is a problem, it has nothing to do with those messages
[01:05] <lifeless> Kamion: I'll see if Mithrandir wants that first - hey may tell me to go play with my other toys
[01:05] <LinuxJones> sysop, how's that ?
[01:05] <sabdfl> stuNNed: please check universe/multiverse packages for security and licence issues, we don't review them with the same intensity as we do main, if at all
[01:05] <ogra> mdz: he disabled hotplug because of them :(
[01:05] <kapputu> no I dint disable them
[01:05] <stuNNed> sabdfl: ok, danke
[01:05] <Kamion> stuNNed: binary; very good on some, still varies, working on it; no idea
[01:05] <jdub> splinta: should be november
[01:06] <kapputu> i was going to fix  it sometime though
[01:06] <splinta> current or next release ?
[01:06] <jdub> current
[01:06] <jdub> next release is final in april
[01:06] <sysop> LinuxJones: I read in an interview with Ubuntu developers that K3B is something they want to incorporate in future releases.
[01:06] <ogra> kapputu: but you switched off hotplug
[01:06] <kapputu> ogra,I said I din't
[01:06] <ogra> mdz: sorry.....
[01:07] <kapputu> I think it got turned off after the hard reboot yesterday
[01:07] <splinta> tell mark i think he should make a 'special' editon...if you know what i mean,....this linus stuff could do with some spicing up
[01:07] <splinta> linux** even
[01:07] <sysop> LinuxJones: They may add KDE too, but I'm not sure? I'm sold on Gnome now anyway! :-)
[01:07] <RubenV> booo KDE ;)
[01:07] <TheMuso> sysop: I dare say that would rather push for better GNOME cd burning software.
[01:07] <kapputu> ok ogra, how do I start hotplug ?
[01:07] <ogra> kapputu: could you try a reboot and look if hotplug gets started, please
[01:07] <TheMuso> As the distro focus is GNOME and GTK.
[01:07] <LinuxJones> sysop, I hope so it's one of the best cd/dvd burning apps on any platform :)
[01:08] <kapputu> ok gimme a min or two
[01:08] <mirak_> hi hi
[01:08] <sysop> TheMuso: Is there better Gnome cd burning software??? I'd like to see it too!
[01:08] <TheMuso> sysop: Not currently AFAIK, but it is certainly coming. IMO K3B is quite clunky.
[01:09] <TheMuso> But I have always found QT apps quite clunky. :)
[01:09] <sabdfl> Kamion: binary with source!
[01:09] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: thats what I was just about to say
[01:09] <MyKq3> i want to undersend some thingy .... i can't hear two sound services inthe same time . is it becuse I have a problem with the sound card pipline ?
[01:09] <SmokingFire> QT: Lets make things complicated
[01:10] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: Agreed, and inaccessible for people with vision imparements. :)
[01:10] <Cube-ness> qt is actually pretty nice to code in
[01:10] <RubenV> QT is usability hell
[01:10] <SmokingFire> Cube-ness: I know, there is nothing wrong with the framework, just the applications seem to be bloated.
[01:10] <ubiq> hi guys
[01:10] <mirak_> hi'
[01:10] <sysop> hello
[01:11] <LinuxJones> ubiq, hi
[01:11] <Cube-ness> RubenV, anybody canmake an unusable aoo in any api
[01:11] <Cube-ness> app
[01:11] <ubiq> why am i registered as ubiq?
[01:11] <socomm> ubiq: shouldn't be ubik?
[01:11] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: I have had more problems in the past building QT apps on Slackware then I did GTK based apps.
[01:11] <ubiq> i did register as ctalkep
[01:11] <ubiq> blah
[01:11] <jdub> dudes, let's not have the desktop debates here
[01:11] <socomm> ubiq: `/nick ctalkep'
[01:11] <sysop> jdub: agreed!
[01:11] <ctalkep> 10x:)
[01:12] <SmokingFire> For example take konquerer, I just want to browse my home directory but it presents me with what 500 options.
[01:12] <mirak_> lol.....tru
[01:12] <socomm> ctalkep: don't forget '/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password' to ID yourself.
[01:12] <socomm> GNOME, KDE? Pffft, N00bs!
[01:13] <mirak_> hahahaha
[01:13] <TheMuso> lol
[01:13] <ctalkep> guys, i want to add some bulgarian mirrors to my sources.list since i am located in bulgaria. i insert the URL, yet synaptic tells me malformated line or something
[01:13] <sysop> lol
[01:13] <ctalkep> what do i do wrong?
[01:13] <SmokingFire> yeah the explorer.exe is the best desktop enverioment.
[01:13] <Cube-ness> i usually end up using wxWidgets for my apps
[01:13] <ogra> socomm: so what shall we use ?
[01:13] <kapputu> ogra,hotplug doesnt start
[01:13] <ctalkep> socomm, i will remember, thanks
[01:13] <socomm> SmokingFire: Try csh.
[01:14] <sysop> SmokingFire: ROTFLMAO
[01:14] <socomm> ctalkep: you probably a 'malformed' url.
[01:14] <ogra> kapputu: ok.... look in /etc/rcS.d for S40hotplug, if there is nothing, tell me if there is /etc/init.d/hotplug
[01:14] <ctalkep> socomm, but it is working, i mean i am able to open it in firefox....
[01:14] <SmokingFire> socomm: I prefer using stuff where I can do it without thinking like riding a bicycle. console makes me think.
[01:15] <kapputu> there is sym link
[01:15] <SmokingFire> I do a lot of actions without consciously thinking about it.
[01:16] <kapputu> symlink to init.d/hotplug
[01:16] <ogra> kapputu: and in init.d ?
[01:16] <kapputu> no there is no hotplug there
[01:16] <ogra> kapputu: argh
[01:16] <socomm> SmokingFire: I rather think than get a bad case of carpal tunnel syndrome.
[01:17] <mirak_>  lol
[01:17] <Acridien> What are the kernel modules to handle usb devices ????
[01:17] <SmokingFire> socomm: Aah I have a real nice mousepad with a wrist rest.
[01:17] <kapputu> ok I reinstall ?
[01:17] <Acridien> I think one is missing
[01:17] <ThreeDayMonk> mice are an ergonomic disaster area
[01:18] <socomm> SmokingFire: call me back when you're older and get wrist cramps.
[01:18] <ogra> kapputu: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hotplug
[01:18] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm in the market for a good trackball
[01:18] <socomm> kapputu: you don't need to reinstall. It will only give you a fresh slate of problems.
[01:18] <|trey|> ogra: while you're at it, man dpkg too  ;)
[01:18] <ogra> |trey|: lol, thanks
[01:19] <Kamion> sabdfl: quite :-)
[01:19] <sabdfl> ;-)
[01:20] <|trey|> ogra, --reinstall annoys me... dpkg is for local packages... already downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives so you use dpkg  ;)
[01:20] <billytwowilly> Hi, I try to try out the livecd but when I boot it up it says "grub error 25"
[01:20] <Cube-ness> ergonomics == euphamism for 'let me have more scapegoats with which to justify my bitchiness'
[01:20] <kapputu> ok ogra, I reinstalled it
[01:20] <ThreeDayMonk> I disagree
[01:21] <bwlang> billytwowilly: i think your system can't boot a grub bootable cd... you may have to make a floppy boot disk to get started..
[01:21] <|trey|> billytwowilly, what kinda hardware you installing on?
[01:21] <ThreeDayMonk> If I use a mouse, my wrist hurts.  If I stop using a mouse for a day, it goes away
[01:21] <ogra> |trey|: in fact its one more step to make sure the package is actually in the local archive.....
[01:21] <stuNNed> do i want the 'live' version of the i386 iso to install or just warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[01:21] <billytwowilly> bwlang: I have a laptop. brand new centrino dothan based chip.. works fine with knoppix
[01:21] <ogra> kapputu: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[01:21] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, my wrists are numb, i r teh lucky  :)
[01:21] <ThreeDayMonk> umm...
[01:22] <GotD0t> hi
[01:22] <kapputu> cannot find hotplug
[01:22] <|trey|> kapputu, its installed by default... you remove it?
[01:22] <bwlang> billytwowilly:i don't know if knoppix uses grub to boot...
[01:22] <ThreeDayMonk> the Happy Hacking keyboard is wondeful - it's so small and light that you can easily position it just right
[01:22] <kapputu> its in /sbin
[01:22] <kapputu> and I started it
[01:22] <kapputu> how I do I get it to init.d ?
[01:22] <ogra> |trey|: it broke by a powerloss
[01:23] <|trey|> ogra, I suck at paying attention, what did?
[01:23] <kapputu> trey hotplug
[01:23] <ThreeDayMonk> that reminds me - what are those two modprobe messages - shpchp and pciehp?  they fail on every machine and slow down boot, and I'd like to get rid of them
[01:23] <stuNNed> so do i want the 'live' install iso or the regular?
[01:24] <bwlang> billytwowilly: i don't mean grub won't work on your system ... just that it might not work to boot a cd... there's funkyness involved.
[01:24] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, shpchp = raid, not sure what the other is...
[01:24] <ogra> kapputu: thats bad....
[01:24] <ThreeDayMonk> ah, pci express hotplug
[01:24] <kapputu> a reinstall would suck
[01:24] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, that would make sense... not to worry if you don't have raid or pcix though  :/
[01:24] <ogra> kapputu: there shold be the init-d script after reinstall
[01:25] <|trey|> kapputu, bah.. takes like 20 mins  :/
[01:25] <kapputu> this is not Windows, this is supposed to good
[01:25] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm not worried, but if I can disable them easily, I'll do so
[01:25] <stuNNed> n/m guys i figured it out doh :)
[01:25] <kapputu> ok |trey| what about the time spent configuring my wireless card, mplayer etc..
[01:25] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, I don't really understand why they are loaded, but yeah... I just ignore that  :)
[01:25] <ogra> kapputu: so lets follow trey, probably dpkg is better here....
[01:25] <kapputu> ok
[01:26] <billytwowilly> bwlang: oh well thanks for the help. I'll try it on the desktop downstairs
[01:26] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: if it's not a laptop, do what I did - save headaches by purchasing a wireless bridge
[01:26] <kapputu> it's a laptop
[01:26] <ThreeDayMonk> ah...
[01:26] <bwlang> billytwowilly: hope it works for you!
[01:26] <kapputu> why a wireless bridge ?
[01:26] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/hotplug (hit tab here)
[01:27] <bwlang> billytwowilly: could just be a bad cd... but the error 25 seems suspicous
[01:27] <ThreeDayMonk> they convert wireless back to ethernet, so you only need to worry about the ethernet drivers
[01:27] <billytwowilly> yah, well I md5sum checked it and I burnt another one too and it didn't work
[01:27] <kapputu> no such file or directory
[01:27] <ThreeDayMonk> better performance in my experience, too - a lot of wlan cards seem to be quite processor-intensive
[01:27] <ogra> kapputu: a second....
[01:27] <kapputu> sure
[01:28] <|trey|> bwlang, error 25 = its not pointed at the right place...
[01:28] <|trey|> bwlang, can't find vmlinuz
[01:28] <thoreauputic> /var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug <tab>
[01:28] <kapputu> nope thoreauputic dint work
[01:28] <bwlang> |trey|: *shrug* - you'd thinkt that'd be correct on a cd
[01:29] <|trey|> bwlang, not entirely sure how you'd fix that on a cd  :/
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb
[01:29] <|trey|> bwlang, yeah...
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: should work....
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: else we have to download the file
[01:29] <kapputu> yep we have to download it
[01:29] <thoreauputic> kapputu: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep hotplug
[01:30] <kapputu> no thoreauputic it ain't there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> if that comes up empty, it ain't there
[01:30] <|trey|> bwlang, possible it could just be bad media though.. just means it can't find initrd and vmlinus, if it works for others, you'd think it wouldn't be the livecd image...
[01:30] <thoreauputic> kapputu: Ok - in thet case it has to be reinstalled via apt/synaptic or whatever
[01:31] <|trey|> thoreauputic, archive*
[01:31] <ogra> kapputu: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hotplug/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb
[01:32] <|trey|> Should really remove traces of hotplug... won't really help if you keep the old config etc  :/
[01:32] <ogra> thoreauputic: apt-get didnt work :(
[01:32] <kapputu> ok downloaded
[01:32] <|trey|> ogra, if apt didn't work, he's in a world more hurt then just hotplug  :/
[01:33] <kapputu> ok reinstalling ubuntu is easier ?
[01:33] <ogra> |trey|: lets try reinstalling first
[01:33] <kapputu> I'm really tired of reconfiguring everything in each distro I use
[01:33] <|trey|> kapputu, yes... very much so... you have no idea really how many things are broken...
[01:33] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i <thefileyoudownloaded>
[01:34] <|trey|> kapputu, thats why I have an rpm based /etc/ and dpkg /etc/ on different partitions all the time  ;)
[01:34] <mirak_> testing
[01:34] <ogra> |trey|: apt-get just didnt change anything...
[01:34] <kapputu> still doesnt show up in etc/init.d
[01:35] <ogra> kapputu: /etc ?
[01:35] <kapputu> yep it's in etc
[01:35] <kapputu> there is also a hotplug.d
[01:35] <|trey|> kapputu, look in man dpkg for a command that says something about overwriting config file...
[01:36] <kapputu> can I do a purge and install ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> or it might be worth trying sudo  dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[01:37] <ogra> kapputu: there depend a lot of things on hotplug....purge will remove a lot i guess, but you can try
[01:37] <kapputu> it's still broke
[01:37] <ogra> thoreauputic: not sure it brings init.d back
[01:37] <|trey|> kapputu, yes, will remove config files... still need to see what the "overwrite" command is though... else it will still assume config files shouldn't be recreated/changed...
[01:37] <kapputu> what diff does it make
[01:38] <kapputu> no purge removes configuration files
[01:38] <|trey|> ogra, you can ignore depends...
[01:38] <kapputu>  -P or --purge removes everything,  including  configura-
[01:38] <kapputu>               tion  files
[01:38] <|trey|> kapputu, yes... but -i alone won't put them back... trust me on this, its skrewed me up several times...
[01:39] <ogra> |trey|: so tell us....
[01:39] <|trey|> ogra, ugh, I said to read the dpkg man page  :/
[01:39] <|trey|> what more do you want  ;)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> for init.d  - man  update-rc.d
[01:39] <|trey|> Even said what to look for  :/
[01:40] <ogra> |trey|: thats what i can hear on every other distro :(
[01:40] <kapputu> ok wait I'm looking
[01:40] <kapputu> here are my concerns
[01:41] <ogra> |trey|: rtfm....i think ubuntu is a bit more and if i know certain tings i help ;)
[01:41] <kapputu> I know people are trying to make this better and it's voluntary work
[01:41] <kapputu> but it certainly puts off non-geeks
[01:41] <thoreauputic> kapputu: you're on IRC - you're a geek :)
[01:42] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i --force-confnew <thehotplugdeb>
[01:42] <|trey|> ogra, dpkg --force-confnew --force-confmiss, not --force-overwrite like I though, my bad  :/
[01:42] <kapputu> nope thoreauputic, but I'm patient
[01:42] <|trey|> thought*
[01:42] <kapputu> I hate windows
[01:42] <thoreauputic> kapputu: :) I was joking
[01:43] <ogra> |trey|: thanks....nice of you, thats ubuntu ;))
[01:43] <toothpick> can someone msg me the sources.list for ubuntu
[01:43] <kapputu> ok ogra next ?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> nice spirit in this channel - quite a contrast with some others
[01:43] <ogra> kapputu: is it there ?
[01:43] <kapputu> yep definitely
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:44] <|trey|> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:44] <|trey|> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:44] <kapputu> in init.d ?
[01:44] <toothpick> Thanks
[01:44] <ogra> kapputu: yes :/
[01:44] <kapputu> it's not there in init.d
[01:44] <ogra> ARGH
[01:44] <|trey|> toothpick, hopefully not too many people did  ;)
[01:45] <|trey|> kapputu, sometimes, its best to reinstall  ;)
[01:45] <|trey|> kapputu, you put /usr on a diff partition? if so, you won't lose mplayer etc...
[01:45] <thoreauputic> kapputu: to update the links for init.d, use  update-rc.d  (there should be a man page for it)
[01:45] <toothpick> no doubt
[01:45] <toothpick> Got them thanks.
[01:45] <ogra> kapputu: last try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[01:46] <|trey|> ogra, thats basically what apt-get --reinstall install does  ;)
[01:46] <LinuxJones> kapputu, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[01:46] <|trey|> ogra, that shoulda come up WAY earlier  ;)
[01:46] <ogra> |trey|: ;)
[01:46] <djtansey> anyone here used i855? i am trying to get my ibm x40 to display to an external monitor at a different resolution as my 1024x768 laptop lcd. preferably so the laptop screen turns off and the external comes up at 1280x960
[01:46] <devolve> jdub: it was a jumper setting on the hard drive... I had moved it from default setting.
[01:46] <kapputu> no it's on the same paritition
[01:47] <sabdfl> djtansey: let me know if you get that right
[01:47] <kapputu> but I would like to know how to do that
[01:47] <sabdfl> there's a utility somewhere that let's you play with it, i855-crt or something
[01:47] <sabdfl> but its voodoo afict
[01:47] <djtansey> sabdfl: i'm using i855crt -- works well. i have the external coming up. but only at the same resolution as my x40 lcd. and only with both up at the same time.
[01:47] <kapputu> ok ogra, I get a config screen asking me what I wanted loaded on boot
[01:48] <sabdfl> ok
[01:48] <sabdfl> you got further than me then
[01:49] <kapputu> i select everything for now ?
[01:49] <djtansey> sabdfl: what is your chipset?
[01:49] <sabdfl> x40 as well
[01:49] <jdub> djtansey: that's all you can do atm (same res, cloned)
[01:49] <ogra> kapputu: not sure what the ubuntu default is.....try auto
[01:50] <jdub> djtansey: you can run the monitor at another res, but X doesn't know about it ;)
[01:50] <jdub> it really needs in-server support to work well
[01:50] <ogra> LinuxJones: nice page, but wont work without a file in init.d
[01:50] <djtansey> jdub: there's nothing i can do -- even using something other than i855crt (i'd even be happy to restart X if i could make that work)
[01:51] <jdub> djtansey: nup, not atm :|
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, sup man  :)  keeping yourself busy?  ;)
[01:51] <ThreeDayMonk> djtansey: what is
[01:51] <ThreeDayMonk> oops, wrong key :-)
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, how much longer you think it'll be till dist/hoary is usable?
[01:51] <kapputu> PCI display devices ?
[01:51] <jdub> |trey|: hi, yeah
[01:51] <ogra> kapputu: nope
[01:51] <djtansey> sabdfl: then you should be able to plug it in and type sudo i855crt on 1024x768@75 and it will come up in a second or two
[01:51] <jdub> |trey|: dunno, but we'll announce it when it's dogfoodable
[01:51] <kapputu> ok done
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, good good, and yay  :)
[01:52] <kapputu> still not in init.d
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: i have a little desktop icon for running it, which changes the icon and label and stuff :)
[01:52] <ogra> kapputu: init.d ?
[01:52] <|trey|> jdub, you mean publicly, or just in here etc?
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: i'll send it to ubuntu-users
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, if you install a service it puts the script in there auto-magically ;)
[01:52] <sabdfl> |trey|: feedback is that hoary didn't break as badly as we thought
[01:52] <jdub> |trey|: on -devel
[01:52] <sabdfl> hey jdub
[01:52] <djtansey> ThreeDayMonk: what were you typing?
[01:52] <|trey|> jdub, cool, I'm usually in there  :)
[01:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: so whats wron with kapputu here ?
[01:52] <sabdfl> jdub: i855crt?
[01:52] <jdub> |trey|: the list
[01:52] <kapputu> ok reinstall Ubuntu ?
[01:52] <djtansey> jdub: thanks. do you work with X stuff? (just curious how you know that's all that's possible atm)
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: yeah
[01:52] <sabdfl> *desktop icon*?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, what service has he installed ?
[01:53] <sabdfl> terrorist
[01:53] <jdub> djtansey: i have a laptop that needs it, so i delved ;)
[01:53] <|trey|> sabdfl, still would really would rather get an announcement saying its relatively safe ;)
[01:53] <sabdfl> |trey|: sorry, i wasn't finished
[01:53] <ogra> LinuxJones: he had a powerfail and afterwards the init.d scrip for hotplug was gone
[01:53] <devolve> The last installation I did was Absolutely Wonderful -- I answered a couple questions, left the house and it was installled when I got back...
[01:53] <jdub> |trey|: it's not *yet*, it just didn't break as badly as we thought
[01:53] <|trey|> jdub, ahh... I don't usually sign up for lists, too hard to follow  :(
[01:53] <sabdfl> ihoary apparently didn't break too badly so far in the merge up to sid, BUT
[01:53] <sabdfl> we still have some bg components to go in
[01:53] <sabdfl> most notably x.org
[01:53] <sabdfl> and that will cause carnage
[01:54] <kapputu> I need to learn a lot more about linux
[01:54] <sabdfl> best wait for that announcement
[01:54] <kapputu> how do I learn ?
[01:54] <ogra> LinuxJones: trying to reinstall it either way doesnt make appear the script.....even if i'm sure its in the package
[01:54] <kapputu> how did you guys learn ?
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> djtansey: I was just asking about what the i855 is
[01:54] <sabdfl> i'm sure jdub will start getting rigid an boring around february :-)
[01:54] <ogra> kapputu: by doing ;)
[01:54] <LinuxJones> ogra, wth, sounds like a corruption problem
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> I just figured out multiple monitor setups on my configuration
[01:54] <|trey|> sabdfl, shouldn't be THAT bad surely? just make x-window-system-core depend on the new stuff, and conflict the old stuff etc  :/
[01:54] <djtansey> jdub: i see. seems hard to believe this many years into linux desktop devel you still can't do that. i remember back in 97,98 and 99 we felt we were on the brink of matching up to the basic expected feature set, even if it wouldn't be user friendly. seems we're still "on the brink." :)
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> have a look: http://po-ru.com/images/triple-monitors.jpg
[01:54] <kapputu> yep I believe something got corrupted miserably
[01:54] <LinuxJones> kapputu, what kind of filesystem do you have on your /usr directory ?
[01:54] <jdub> djtansey: it's a chipset specific issue
[01:54] <kapputu> ext2
[01:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: we downloaded a new hotplug package and installed with dpkg with any imaginable option....
[01:55] <devolve> kapputu, I read alot of stuff online and tinkered and messed with stuff and worked with people online, but I really think I learned the most when I volunteered my time to work on a community project with other experienced users
[01:55] <djtansey> ThreeDayMonk: allows intel (i8xx) chips to work with external displays.
[01:55] <kapputu> just a quick question
[01:55] <jdub> djtansey: with other chipsets, you can multihead, clone, flick with the keyboard, etc.
[01:55] <sabdfl> |trey|: YOU do it then :-)
[01:55] <|trey|> kapputu, ahh, let this be a lesson to use a journelled fs from now on  :)
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: All those nice monitors but that half size keyboard? :P
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: not just driver? vesa wouldn't help?
[01:55] <sabdfl> it's going to be risky
[01:55] <kapputu> hmm I would like to do that
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: full size keyboard
[01:55] <kapputu> I am a good programmer
[01:55] <jdub> djtansey: no, that'll be worse
[01:55] <sabdfl> i'd rather nobody was running anything production when we do that
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kapputu: Linux documentation project, also google for howto for anything you want to learn, www.google.com/linux should be your home page :)
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> it just has no function keys or numeric pad
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: No number pad!
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: oh well.
[01:55] <sabdfl> of course, no users == no bug reports
[01:55] <|trey|> sabdfl, I'm not so sure you should trust me to package something as important as X ;)
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: have you tried i810switch?
[01:55] <ogra> kapputu: EXT2 ???
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: no use anyway
[01:55] <kapputu> ok I din't know that trey
[01:55] <sabdfl> so we'll need the few and the brave
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: A keyboard with no numpad or function keys isn't full sized at all :P
[01:56] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: Function keys are very important!
[01:56] <kapputu> I din't read anywhere that journelled FS was good or anything
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: it has control in the RIGHT place :-)
[01:56] <brettcar> So does mine :P
[01:56] <kapputu> I read a lot of review before I installed Ubuntu
[01:56] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/video-switch.tar.gz
[01:56] <jdub> ^ sabdfl
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: and there are function keys - Fn+1 for example
[01:56] <ogra> kapputu: had pervented you from this....
[01:56] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: yeah but thats RSI inducing ;)
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> not really- I seldom use them
[01:56] <jdub> you'll have to replace some strings in the .desktop and script
[01:56] <kapputu> ok a quick question
[01:56] <jdub> i'll put a readme in there some time
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> you can tell I code in vi, perhaps ;-)
[01:56] <jdub> or a mini install script or something
[01:56] <kapputu> what's up with a seperate partition for /usr ?
[01:57] <|trey|> kapputu, umm... its a very good thing... its peticularly meant for exactly what happened to you, restoring a filesystem after powerloss...
[01:57] <kapputu> ic
[01:57] <kapputu> I have had this problem a number of times with other distros
[01:57] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: I guess ;P
[01:57] <kapputu> anyway now I know
[01:57] <ogra> kapputu: take ext3 next time.....
[01:57] <|trey|> kapputu, journelling + fsck is supposed to fix all issues... you always use ext2?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> kapputu: more than you ever wanted to know about apt-get: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[01:57] <kapputu> ok ext3 or journelled FS or are they same ?
[01:58] <kapputu> yes trey I never knew
[01:58] <ogra> kapputu: yep
[01:58] <jdub> kapputu: ext3 is a journalled filesystem
[01:58] <kapputu> ok what's a journalled filesystem ?
[01:58] <|trey|> kapputu, ext3 = ext2 + a journel...
[01:58] <kapputu> explain me briefl I'll read about it later
[01:58] <jdub> kapputu: better that you read first
[01:58] <ogra> kapputu: the journal keeps track of open files
[01:58] <kapputu> hmm I read a lot jdub
[01:58] <sabdfl> jdub: thanks will try when i can find a projector
[01:59] <jdub> kapputu: it writes in a safe manner
[01:59] <|trey|> kapputu, basically, periodically, it will take snapshots of your fs, and store that data so it knows where to put things back after curruption etc...
[01:59] <kapputu> safe manner = ?
[01:59] <kapputu> but what if the snapshot area gets corrupted ?
[01:59] <jdub> kapputu: better that you read about how it's done than getting lame, too-short explanations here
[01:59] <|trey|> kapputu, then you are still fucked... but its rare...
[01:59] <kapputu> hmm you are right jdub
[02:00] <ogra> kapputu: never seen this even its possible
[02:00] <kapputu> ok before I reinstall I need to know this
[02:00] <kapputu> I have a 4.7 partition for linux
[02:00] <kapputu> u guys suggest I halve it and have one for /usr ?
[02:00] <ogra> kapputu: just pick ext3 .....
[02:00] <|trey|> kapputu, there are blocks reserved for the journel every something inodes... on my 40 gig partition for instance, there are 8 afaik
[02:00] <kapputu> and if I later find I'm out of space can I add a new partition ?
[02:00] <kensai> I ahve downloaded an Icon theme from gnome-look.org how do I install it on ubuntu?
[02:01] <ogra> kapputu: partitioning is a philosophical thing ;)
[02:01] <kensai> have*
[02:01] <|trey|> kapputu, you would need all 8 to be currupted for the fs to not be restorable...
[02:01] <LinuxJones> kapputu, do you have a live cd that you can boot to ?
[02:01] <cardador> kensai: extract it to ~/.icons/
[02:01] <kapputu> I have a knoppix
[02:01] <kensai> so where is /.icons in home directory?
[02:01] <kapputu> any good ?
[02:01] <ogra> LinuxJones: what will this be good for ? his system is working
[02:01] <__daniel> kensai: computer -> desktop -> theme
[02:01] <kapputu> hey I don't mind reinstalling at all
[02:01] <cardador> kensai: ~ means your home direct
[02:02] <ogra> LinuxJones: just corrupted certain things
[02:02] <kapputu> i'm used to it
[02:02] <LinuxJones> ogra, to run e2fsck -p on to try to fix his filesystem
[02:02] <ThreeDayMonk> kensai: there's an easier way
[02:02] <ogra> LinuxJones: hmm...nice hint....
[02:02] <kapputu> hmm LinuxJones, I think i'll reinstall with ext3
[02:02] <kensai> computer desktop theme does not do the trick I put install theme and the direction of the icon theme and it soes nothing
[02:02] <kapputu> I don't want this problem recurring
[02:02] <kensai> easier way?
[02:02] <__daniel> kapputu: tune2fs -J /dev/<partition>
[02:03] <ThreeDayMonk> kensai: did you choose theme details, icons, and select the icon theme?
[02:03] <ThreeDayMonk> I found some icon themes wouldn't work, though, so...
[02:03] <kapputu> ok if I run out of space, how do I add more space ?
[02:03] <cardador> kensai: that way it installs to .themes, you just need to move it to .icons
[02:03] <ogra> __daniel: after a fsck and a reinstall of hotplug .... and probably certain other things ?
[02:03] <LinuxJones> kapputu, that might be the best thing. Try to keep your /usr/ & /var & /home  on a seperate partition if you can :)
[02:03] <kapputu> ok how do I do that LinuxJones
[02:03] <kensai> ThreeDayMonk: yes
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, parted or gparted is supposed to... still yet to see it be successful though  :(
[02:04] <__daniel> kapputu: try to avoid reinstalls - that's the way you will learnt the most
[02:04] <kapputu> what's parted ?
[02:04] <kapputu> that's true daniel
[02:04] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: where do you connect the extra monitors?
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, Its a GNU tool to edit the partition table...
[02:04] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: partition table editor
[02:04] <kensai> Ok I moved them to ~/.icons
[02:04] <LinuxJones> kapputu, you only have 4 gigs available for diskspace ?
[02:04] <kapputu> I wish I had learnt this when I was 17
[02:04] <kapputu> back then I was stuck with Windows :(((((((
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, I did, nana  :)
[02:05] <kapputu> I have 4.7
[02:05] <|trey|> kapputu, ahh, I was using Debian when I was 17  :/
[02:05] <cardador> kensai: now you should be able to pick your new icon theme
[02:05] <kapputu> I can get more from a FAT partition
[02:05] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: I have an nVidia dual-head card in the AGP slot, and an ATI card in one of the PCI slots
[02:05] <kapputu> I installed RedHat thrice
[02:05] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: ok thanks
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get Debian
[02:05] <ThreeDayMonk> actually, the ATI has DVI and VGA out, and I think that I could connect a fourth monitor...
[02:05] <kensai> cardador: Thanks it works just fine
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get good books
[02:05] <cardador> kensai: np :)
[02:05] <kensai> ThreeDayMonk: Thanks too
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get my graphics card detected
[02:05] <kapputu> I gave up
[02:06] <|trey|> kapputu, I learned everything I know from about 3 years of idling in #debian  :/
[02:06] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: I'm going to write it up on the wiki when the wiki is ready
[02:06] <LinuxJones> kapputu, use as much as you can spare from your win partition. You won't need that anyways one you get Ubuntu up and running ;D
[02:06] <kapputu> cool , I don't have that time now :(
[02:06] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I've never used multiple monitors. Does it act like one very wide monitor?
[02:06] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: and what do you do to enable xinerama, just add some lines in XF86config?
[02:06] <kapputu> yep it's been a while since I went there
[02:06] <|trey|> WW, basically... yes...
[02:07] <|trey|> WW, when its working at least  ;)
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> hang on, I'll up my XF86Config-4 file for your viewing pleasure
[02:07] <WW> If you drag a window, will it appear half in one window and half in the other?
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> yes
[02:07] <|trey|> WW, yup
[02:07] <WW> ooooh....
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> but it gets laggy over the agp-pci transition
[02:08] <kapputu> how do I find out my partition info ?
[02:08] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I hate when that happens...
[02:08] <ThreeDayMonk> you can probably see a whole playboy centrefold on this machine...
[02:08] <kapputu> primary is hda1
[02:08] <|trey|> kapputu, fdick -l
[02:08] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: but to connect only 2 monitors, do i need also 2 cards?
[02:08] <kapputu> logical is hda5 ?
[02:08] <|trey|> kapputu, fdisk -l
[02:08] <|trey|> bad typo  :o
[02:08] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: not if you have a dual-head card
[02:08] <cardador> hmm i have to figure out that...
[02:08] <kapputu> can't open /dev/hda
[02:09] <|trey|> kapputu, yeah, umm, thats bad
[02:09] <kapputu> oops
[02:09] <kapputu> even that's sudoed ?
[02:09] <|trey|> kapputu, I didn't think so, but maybe?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> sudo fdisk -l
[02:09] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: have a look at this: http://po-ru.com/files/XF86Config-4
[02:09] <cardador> ok
[02:09] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm using the Free ATI driver, and the binary nVidia one
[02:09] <kapputu> ok I made a change in my fsta
[02:09] <kapputu> ok I made a change in my fstab
[02:10] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: how can i know if my card is dual headed??
[02:10] <kapputu> how do I effect that change without restarting
[02:10] <|trey|> cardador, it'll have 2 connectors on it...
[02:10] <ThreeDayMonk> heh
[02:10] <cardador> hmm ok :)
[02:11] <cardador> it has a 2nd connector, but it seems different
[02:11] <cardador> maybe tvout
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> is it small and round?
[02:12] <kapputu> how do I effect a change in my /etc/fstab without restarting
[02:12] <|trey|> cardador, yeah, its not dual headed if your monitor can't plug into that one too...  :/
[02:12] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: no, rectangular and medium sized
[02:12] <cardador> |trey|: ok
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> white?
[02:12] <cardador> yap
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> DVI then
[02:12] <cardador> so that means no 2nd monitor
[02:12] <|trey|> Digital Video In?
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> so you have a VGA and a DVI connector - you could probably do it
[02:13] <ThreeDayMonk> *Interface
[02:13] <kapputu> ok a silence means I google for it ?
[02:13] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, I was sooo close, I think I still deserve a cookie  8)
[02:13] <brettcar> |trey|: Digital Visual Interface
[02:13] <|trey|> brettcar, damnit, shut up you  ;)
[02:13] <|trey|> brettcar, jk, thanks  :)
[02:13] <kapputu> hey guys can you see me ?
[02:14] <|trey|> kapputu, nope  :(
[02:14] <kapputu> lol
[02:14] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: what - poking your finger in someone's eye? :-)
[02:14] <kapputu> thanks
[02:14] <brettcar> kapputu: Nope
[02:14] <brettcar> kapputu: ;)
[02:14] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: What did I do now?
[02:14] <ThreeDayMonk> digital visual interface
[02:14] <cardador> kapputu:   mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
[02:14] <|trey|> brettcar, lagging somewhat?  :)
[02:14] <brettcar> My brain is
[02:14] <|trey|> brettcar, heh  :)
[02:14] <brettcar> but uhm
[02:14] <brettcar> right fstab
[02:15] <brettcar> kapputu: Try: mount -a
[02:15] <brettcar> And see if it updates it at all
[02:15] <brettcar> Oh actually
[02:15] <brettcar> never mind
[02:15] <brettcar>    -u      The -u flag indicates that the status of an already mounted file
[02:15] <brettcar>              system should be changed.  Any of the options discussed above
[02:15] <brettcar>              (the -o option) may be changed; also a file system can be changed
[02:15] <brettcar>              from read-only to read-write or vice versa.  An attempt to change
[02:15] <brettcar>              from read-write to read-only will fail if any files on the
[02:15] <brettcar>              filesystem are currently open for writing unless the -f flag is
[02:15] <brettcar>              also specified.  The set of options is determined by first
[02:15] <brettcar>              extracting the options for the file system from the fstab table,
[02:15] <brettcar>              then applying any options specified by the -o argument, and
[02:15] <brettcar>              finally applying the -r or -w option.a
[02:15] <brettcar> whoops!
[02:16] <brettcar> sorry!
[02:16] <brettcar> But yeah, use '-u' with mount
[02:16] <kensai> Ok I'm using sysv-rc-conf to edit the services which starts at boot. Now my question I want to disable mdam-raid at boot but it has an x under 0 6 and S how do I disable this do I remove all the X?
[02:16] <|trey|> kensai, never used that  :(  rcconf  ;)
[02:17] <kensai> what other thing can I use for services?
[02:17] <kensai> that is a little bit easier to understand
[02:17] <kapputu> ok was not mounted
[02:17] <kapputu> is it mount -a -o ?
[02:17] <|trey|> kensai, apt-get install rcconf .... should be in universe at worst... nice and simple ncurses interface  :)
[02:18] <brettcar> kapputu: Yes, if it wasn't mounted before you can just mount it normally (mount /mount/point) and it'll be fine
[02:18] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: found a crazy cable to connect to that white connector, it has 2 differents ends
[02:18] <ThreeDayMonk> ummm
[02:18] <kensai> ok done installing how do I use it :-)
[02:19] <ThreeDayMonk> maybe not a DVI - I'm not sure
[02:19] <kapputu> ok none of it was mounted
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, type "rcconf"  :)
[02:19] <kensai> as root?
[02:19] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: bingo, i can connect the monitor cable! lets see if i can make it work...
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, in the future though... just 'dpkg -L <pkg>' to see what a package installed
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, yup  :)
[02:19] <kapputu> auto:
[02:20] <MyKq3> i m trying to use this giude to install Dmix "http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin". but it seems  that i m missing some packages what i can't get with  aptget ( " alsaplayer* " ) . now i have tryed to find any alsaplayer packages for dabian on goole and what i have found what this ...  http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsaplayer.html. no u can notice that its not really the same packages.... but it seems that i can't
[02:20] <MyKq3>  find the exact packages on the net ... what could i do ?..
[02:20] <kapputu> I have `/dev/hda1 /mnt/cdrive vfat rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 0
[02:20] <kensai> so if I have no raid in my pc I can safely remove mdam-raid?
[02:20] <kapputu> in /etc/fstab
[02:20] <MyKq3> what can i do?
[02:20] <|trey|> kensai, yeah... and shpchp or whatever
[02:21] <kapputu> welcome back ogra
[02:21] <|trey|> MyKq3, apt-get.org = great
[02:21] <kapputu> ok how do I mount it so that all users can see it
[02:21] <|trey|> MyKq3, cough cough cough
[02:21] <ogra> kapputu: hi ;)
[02:22] <|trey|> kapputu, man fstab... -o user
[02:22] <kensai> I installe python-libgmail and don't know how to start that service and it isn't listed anywhere in UBUNTU
[02:22] <MyKq3> |trey|,  if i didn't sayed it then its not in the aptget
[02:23] <|trey|> kensai, dpkg -L python-libgmail ... also, /usr/share/doc/python-libgmail for any docs that came with the package...
[02:23] <MyKq3> |trey|, there isn't any alsaplayer* on the list
[02:23] <|trey|> MyKq3, apt-get.org not apt-get the tool
[02:23] <kensai> Ooops I erased the file
[02:24] <|trey|> kensai, oops indeed  :(
[02:24] <thoreauputic> kapputu: change umask to 000 and if you want all users to be able to mount/umount change user to users
[02:24] <MyKq3> |trey|,  thanks :)))
[02:24] <|trey|> thoreauputic, or just mount -o users like I said  ;)
[02:25] <|trey|> MyKq3, you're welcome, thats kinda like the deb version of rpmfind.net  :)
[02:25] <kapputu> ok
[02:25] <thoreauputic> kapputu: if you want it to mount automatically at boot up you can change noauto to auto
[02:27] <|trey|> thoreauputic, uhh, s/or/then/ ... imma shut up now  :o
[02:27] <kapputu> ok vpnclient got screwed up too
[02:27] <Striss> i installed Ubuntu PPC today...loving it so far
[02:27] <|trey|> Striss, :)
[02:27] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: My graphics card has VGA, TV, and DVI outputs. But multiple connectors doesn't mean multi-head, does it?
[02:27] <MyKq3> |trey|,  and mach mach more !!!
[02:27] <timothy_> Striss: what sort of hardware?
[02:27] <ThreeDayMonk> WW: not necessarily
[02:27] <cardador> WW: i am in the same situation as you
[02:27] <Striss> G3 400mhz
[02:28] <|trey|> Striss, honestly, on that hardware, I would use OS X, but Ubuntu is my fav OS right now  :)
[02:28] <timothy_> WW: it probably means 2-head, though.
[02:28] <cardador> WW: just connected the 2nd monitor :)
[02:28] <ThreeDayMonk> yeah, most modern chipsets support it, from what I understand
[02:28] <WW> nvidia geforce fx 5600...
[02:28] <Striss> yeah ive been using os x for a long time now, i just wanted to hop on the ubuntu wagon for a change
[02:28] <Striss> its running a lot lot quicker than os x does on my mac
[02:28] <|trey|> MyKq3, if you can't find them on www.apt-get.org, there isn't a debian package for it  :)
[02:28] <WW> (not ultra)
[02:29] <WW> So I could have one monitor on VGA, and another independent monitor on DVI?
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> Striss: I used to use OS X... until they screwed up repairing my computer three times, and I haven't been able to use it for 5 weeks
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> so now I prefer Ubuntu :-)
[02:29] <|trey|> Striss, thats a good thing... yeah, the graphic side of OS X can bog down the system pretty bad  :(
[02:29] <Striss> yeah
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> the buffered windows are nice, though
[02:30] <Striss> i was having a problem with gaim tho...when people sent me messages they werent showing up at all
[02:30] <|trey|> WW, not sure what you mean by independent... thats not really the way xinerama works... it just ends up being an extension to the right of the regular screen...
[02:30] <ogra> ThreeDayMonk: wait on x.org ;)
[02:30] <ThreeDayMonk> ogra - I am!
[02:30] <MyKq3> |trey|,  ir u kidding me man i found FreeCiv2 beta !!!! man i m not going to sleep tonight !!!
[02:30] <|trey|> Striss, what protocol?... I've never seen that  :(
[02:30] <Striss> msn
[02:30] <ThreeDayMonk> I nearly installed gentoo for it, but decided that I didn't need it that badly
[02:31] <|trey|> MyKq3, www.apt-get.org rules  :)
[02:31] <Striss> i just switched from gaim to amsn and its working ok
[02:31] <Striss> now i'm attemping to compile mplayer
[02:31] <WW> |trey|: Right.  Being ignorant, I would have guessed that the different connectors would output exactly the same signal, so there would be no point in having more than one monitor.
[02:31] <Striss> so this ubuntu experience is goodtimes so far
[02:31] <kapputu> ok i'm going to reinstall ubuntu tonight
[02:31] <kapputu> any suggestion for me ?
[02:31] <|trey|> Striss, umm, ouch... Christian Marrilat makes decent packages for mplayer *cough*
[02:31] <ThreeDayMonk> gaim is nice, but the interface is a bit brain-dead with all those pop-up windows
[02:31] <ogra> kapputu: take ext3 ;)
[02:31] <Striss> marrilat doesnt have ppc packages tho does he
[02:32] <|trey|> Striss, search apt-get.org for it and use the listing that mentions marillat...
[02:32] <|trey|> Striss, hmm... not sure actually...  :(
[02:32] <ThreeDayMonk> |trey|: ooh, where are these mplayer packages?
[02:32] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, do what I just told Striss  ;)
[02:32] <Striss> i'm just following a little guide on the ubuntu page with mplayer and its goine fine
[02:32] <WW> Striss: no, mariallat is i386
[02:32] <ThreeDayMonk> oh, duh, yeah :-)
[02:32] <Striss> thought so
[02:33] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, use the testing source with warty though, else you get unresolved deps (universe is needed too...)
[02:33] <kapputu> ok
[02:33] <kapputu> anything about partitions
[02:33] <kapputu> how do I put /usr, /var, /home on a seperate file system
[02:33] <kapputu> I assume I'll have to mount these on a seperate partition ?
[02:33] <WW> ThreeDayMonk (or anyone else): So is just two monitors "easy" to setup up?  Is there a howto somewhere?
[02:33] <ogra> kapputu: i split in sys and home.... others do it the other way
[02:33] <kapputu> yes, no ?
[02:33] <brettcar> kapputu: You'd have to repartition
[02:33] <brettcar> kapputu: And reinstall
[02:34] <|trey|> kapputu, you can resize part... and mv /usr /where/you/put/the/other/fs
[02:34] <ThreeDayMonk> WW: it's not trivial, but it's technically simple if you edit the config file by hand
[02:34] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: to enable xinerama should i restart x or the pc?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> kapputu: keep it simple would be my advice, frankly
[02:34] <ThreeDayMonk> just x
[02:34] <|trey|> kapputu, its recommended to just do it during install though...
[02:34] <ogra> brettcar: he has a broken ext2
[02:34] <cardador> ok brb
[02:34] <|trey|> WW, just google "xinerama howto"...
[02:34] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I guess cardador is trying it now?
[02:35] <WW> |trey|: Good idea :)
[02:35] <|trey|> WW, I know, I said it  ;)
[02:35] <kapputu> ok how do I do it during install ?
[02:35] <WW> |trey|:     :)
[02:35] <ogra> kapputu: remove the ext2 and create what you want in the free space
[02:36] <|trey|> kapputu, when its asking you if you want to keep the default partition table, say no... and mount each on different partitions you create......
[02:36] <kapputu> hmm example ?
[02:36] <kapputu> yep ogra I'm going to do that
[02:36] <|trey|> kapputu, its an ncurses interface... straight forward and intuitive, but hard to explain here...  :(
[02:37] <kapputu> what's ncurses ?
[02:37] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: you see that it says / next to your root - well you just create more partitions and assign them to /home etc
[02:37] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: a text-mode "windowing" system
[02:37] <ogra> kapputu: the interface of the installer...youve seen it during install
[02:38] <|trey|> kapputu, actually... you would have seen the exact interface I am talking about when you changed from ext3 to 2  :)
[02:38] <ThreeDayMonk> I guess cardador's attempt failed
[02:38] <ogra> |trey|: lol
[02:38] <|trey|> its either right above or below that... Mount Point  :)
[02:38] <Striss>  can i mount an nfs share on boot through my /etc/fstab?
[02:38] <|trey|> Striss, not via fstab... no
[02:38] <ogra> Striss: depends
[02:39] <kapputu> yeah I understand that but I have done that in C
[02:39] <kapputu> what's special about it ?
[02:39] <Striss> is there any way to automount it then?
[02:39] <kapputu> is it a seperate library ?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Striss: this might help: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html ( I found it useful anyway)
[02:40] <ogra> |trey|: why not ?
[02:40] <Striss> thankya
[02:40] <ogra> Striss: i think it should work in fstab
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Striss: expleains everything pretty clearly
[02:41] <|trey|> ogra, ahh, I think I am very wrong... I just don't recall how I think  :(
[02:41] <ogra> Striss: except with pcmcia network cards :(
[02:41] <thoreauputic> it should be possible to set nfs to auto in fstab, I believe
[02:42] <|trey|> Striss, just make sure to soft mount.... else that could be a bad idea  :)
[02:42] <Striss> ok
[02:42] <kapputu> ok instead of mounting the filesystem on / I mount /usr on let's say /dev/hda8 ?
[02:42] <|trey|> kapputu, you are required to mount / ... this can be small though depending on how you plan to set up the fs...
[02:43] <kapputu> ok I don't understand
[02:43] <kapputu> can you rephrase it ?
[02:43] <|trey|> kapputu, when in a business environment... I have / be like 20 megs and have a seperate mount point for everything you see in / other then the pseudo fs's (/dev, /sys and /proc)
[02:45] <Eno_> whats the point of having all the dirs in / be different mount points (i can understand /home though)?
[02:45] <|trey|>  /var and /home should be thought about based on user's on the system... /usr should be large... everything else I usually stick @ 1 gig  :/
[02:45] <Eno_> hmm
[02:46] <Eno_> i have / at about 7gb, and /home the rest
[02:46] <kapputu> I understand trey
[02:46] <|trey|> Eno_, its a matter of opinion I guess...
[02:46] <kapputu> so how do I do that now
[02:46] <Eno_> i see
[02:46] <ogra> |trey|: philosophy
[02:46] <|trey|> Eno_, just limits curruption, and damage possible from virii etc...
[02:47] <|trey|> Eno_, also makes it more simple to restore things  :)
[02:47] <Eno_> yup
[02:47] <thoreauputic> |trey|: umm... I don't think viruses are an issue in Linux
[02:47] <|trey|> thoreauputic, of course they are... just not as bad as for windows...
[02:47] <kapputu> ok guys can you help me get started on this thing ?
[02:48] <ogra> |trey|: virii ??
[02:48] <|trey|> ogra, plural of virus  ;)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> |trey|: sorry, but my reading suggests otherwise
[02:48] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I can find a virus for you to test your theory with real quick if you want?
[02:48] <ogra> |trey|: :p i know.....
[02:48] <ThreeDayMonk> viruses is the plural by most authorities
[02:48] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how many Linux machines have you seen with a virus ?
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: lol
[02:49] <|trey|> LinuxJones, 30 ... set one free in the classroom like a month ago...
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: i ve seen a lot samba servers with virii
[02:49] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I'm not going to argue the point - it really doesn't matter :)
[02:49] <ThreeDayMonk> ogra: yeah - they can be carriers
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: sad for the win users ;)
[02:50] <|trey|> LinuxJones, took about 2 mins to infect all 30 boxes, it was neato  8)
[02:51] <LinuxJones> |trey|, did you have the administrative password and what was the name of the virus?
[02:51] <ogra> |trey|: how did you notice ?
[02:51] <|trey|> LinuxJones, nope... and I have no idea  :(
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, but they were not native Linux virII they were a Microsoft virus
[02:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: yep....
[02:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: thats why i said poor win users
[02:52] <|trey|> ogra, this one fucked up the partition table, so it was kinda simple to see... commands just didn't work anymore  :/
[02:52] <LinuxJones> |trey|, so how did you infect 30 Linux machines if you did not know the name of the virus ?
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, ^
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, basically same result as rm -rf /
[02:53] <ogra> |trey|: but how did you recognize it was a virus ?
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, dunno if you've ever had the balls to try that  :)
[02:53] <|trey|> ogra, cuz the teacher said thats what it would do...
[02:54] <thoreauputic> |trey|: and how did this "virus" gain root privileges to achiev the equivalent of rm -rf /  ?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how did it get root priviliges to erase the partition table ?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> |trey|, if you didn't tell it :D
[02:55] <|trey|> thoreauputic, no idea... I know for a fact my box wasn't logged in as root though, and it worked on my box  :/
[02:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: i guess it wass a ssh script from the teachers box who knew the rootpw ;)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> |trey|: a lot of inquiring minds would like to know - like every linux security expert in the world
[02:56] <LinuxJones> ogra, I think that |trey| might not be telling us the whole story :)
[02:56] <ares> so how dangerous is it to add the debian repository to ubuntu's sources.list to get some packages like "prelink" ?
[02:57] <daniels> ares: use 'universe' instead
[02:57] <ogra> LinuxJones: looks like ;)
[02:57] <sysop> cd /
[02:58] <sysop> woops...wrong window
[02:58] <TheMuso> ares: If you want a newer version that is from unstable, you could easily connect to Debian sources and grab the source package and rebuild.
[02:58] <ares> is there a reference to that somewhere in the docs/wiki/forums daniels? I've been running ubuntu for about 15 mins, just dove in
[02:58] <ares> but I've been using linux for a while
[02:59] <ares> so there are some other safe repositories I could add that work well with ubuntu is what you are saying?
[02:59] <ogra> ares: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[02:59] <ares> TheMuso newer version? there is no prelink that I'm seeing after updating synaptic
[02:59] <ares> thanks ogra
[02:59] <ares> got the usage of synaptic down :P
[02:59] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: sucess! dual monitor working!
[03:00] <ares> just need to know where to point sources.list to
[03:00] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: how can one set a different wallpaper for each monitor?
[03:00] <kapputu> hmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions
[03:00] <ares> afk
[03:00] <kapputu> hmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions
[03:00] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: congratulations!
[03:01] <ThreeDayMonk> as for the wallpaper, I don't know.  You could stitch them together in Gimp
[03:01] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: thats what i did
[03:01] <ThreeDayMonk> mine is just tiled across all three
[03:01] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: no, thank you! i've usedd your xf86conf to help me build mine
[03:01] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: ill do that
[03:02] <Hikaru79> What's the line to extract an RPM?
[03:02] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: wait... how did you get yours tiled?
[03:02] <kapputu> hi Hikaru79
[03:02] <kapputu> what's up man
[03:02] <Hikaru79> =D
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu ^__^
[03:02] <ogra> ares: just switch on the universe repo
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Nothing much :)
[03:02] <Hikaru79> I reinstalled ubuntu
[03:02] <cardador> Hikaru79: use alien to convert rpm to deb
[03:02] <Hikaru79> And gonna give it a fresh shot at Java :P
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Ah, I see carador :)
[03:03] <Hikaru79> I knew it involved alien
[03:03] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: how did you get your wallpaper tiled?
[03:03] <Hikaru79> But I didn't know alien converted, I thought it was just a way for Debian to do RPM's
[03:03] <ThreeDayMonk> GotD0t: on the gnome desktop prefs
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Thanks, though ;)
[03:03] <ThreeDayMonk> style: tiled
[03:03] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: oh... heh
[03:03] <ogra> Hikaru79: works both ways ;)
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Do you have to be root to run alien?
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Or should I do it from my regular account?
[03:03] <WW> cardador: Are you using the two different output connectors from one graphics card?
[03:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: nope
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, yeah
[03:04] <kapputu> hey hikaru welcome to the club
[03:04] <kapputu> I'm about to do that myself
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, well to install it :)
[03:04] <cardador> WW: yes, on a gf ti4200 card
[03:04] <Hikaru79> Hehe ^__^
[03:04] <ogra> LinuxJones: ;)
[03:04] <kapputu> or should you be the one welcoming me ?
[03:04] <Hikaru79> Only club I'm a member of is the "total n00b" club :(
[03:04] <LinuxJones> ogra, your quicker than I am :)
[03:05] <ogra> LinuxJones: coffeeeee (3pm here)
[03:05] <debby> I cannot ssh into my ubuntu machine, sshd is running, what do I need to do?
[03:05] <ThreeDayMonk> Hikaru79: when I see your username, I can't help singing "saigo no kiss wa tabako no flavor ga shita" in my head...
[03:05] <WW> cardador: Are both displays the same resolution?  If I get a second monitor, it will be higher res than my current one.
[03:05] <jdub> debby: install openssh-server
[03:05] <LinuxJones> ogra, It's only 10:05 here so again your quicker than I am :P
[03:05] <cardador> WW: you can choose the resolution for each monitor
[03:05] <ogra> lol
[03:06] <janl> im trycing to set up a diskless system using the diskless-package, but that requires "base.tgz" that debians have, where can i find the ubuntu equivalent?
[03:06] <Hikaru79> ThreeDayMonk: Utada Hikaru rocks!! ^_^
[03:06] <ogra> LinuxJones: ugh s/pm/am
[03:06] <Hikaru79> But, my name comes from Hikaru Shindou, not Utada :(
[03:07] <ThreeDayMonk> Hikaru79: yeah - she was really popular when I first went to Japan
[03:07] <Hikaru79> :) Still is
[03:07] <Hikaru79> And she's released her american album now
[03:07] <WW> cardador: Ah...  right, I was just reading a howto about that.  It mentions "dead areas".  Does X 4.3 handle these correctly? (The howto is from 2002.)
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Not doing so well though :(
[03:07] <cardador> WW: i just edited my XF86config-4
[03:07] <Hikaru79> According to alien's man files, I should use this line: alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Correct? ^^ ;
[03:08] <cardador> Hikaru79: rpm.bin?
[03:08] <ogra> Hikaru79: yep, but the default on debian systems.... not essentially needed though
[03:09] <Hikaru79> cardador, yup that's the filename...
[03:09] <ogra> Hikaru79: .bin ???
[03:09] <Hikaru79> jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Yeahj
[03:09] <Hikaru79> That's what I downloaded it as o.o
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Is that wrong?
[03:09] <debby> jdub: I have openssh-server installed, but I cannot ssh into machine.  I can ping machine though.
[03:09] <cardador> Hikaru79: normally bins can be run with sh
[03:09] <cardador> sh blabla.bin
[03:09] <Hikaru79> o.o
[03:09] <Hikaru79> But then
[03:09] <GotD0t> debby: you behind a router?
[03:09] <TheMuso> debby: What response do you get when attempting to connect?
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Why's it -rpm?
[03:09] <cardador> Hikaru79: maybe when you run the bin file, it extracts the rpm :)
[03:10] <ogra> Hikaru79: no deb... :(
[03:10] <LinuxJones> ogra, what are you doing drinking coffee @ 3:00 am :)
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Oooooh
[03:10] <Hikaru79> I see :)
[03:10] <debby> no response when trying to ssh, machine is not behind a router.
[03:10] <ogra> LinuxJones: standing up at 8:00 :(
[03:10] <LinuxJones> ogra, argh, I have been there :)
[03:10] <Hikaru79> cardador, you smart person you ;)
[03:10] <ogra> LinuxJones: going to work at 10:00 :(
[03:11] <Hikaru79> It does indeed extract an .rpm ^ ^;
[03:11] <cardador> Hikaru79: :)
[03:11] <ogra> LinuxJones: sleeping 8 hrs there.... and come back to #ubuntu ;)
[03:11] <LinuxJones> ogra, heh
[03:11] <djtansey> jdub: i assume you have an ibm thinkpad.or at least a laptop with i8xx graphics. do you ever have it come back from suspend with the X displaying the windows but having them be blank and having to kill gdm?
[03:12] <TheMuso> debby: Any error messages?
[03:12] <LinuxJones> ogra, you sound like you have a good government job !!
[03:12] <TheMuso> debby: Are you able to get physical access to that machine at all?
[03:12] <tricky1> I just sucessfulyl Installed Ubuntu, but as it gets to loading Gnome the screen goes Black and there is no HDD activity or anything of any sort
[03:13] <TheMuso> tricky1: Did you have to configure X manually during install?
[03:13] <debby> TheMuso: no error message, I used to be able to ssh into the machine but cannot now.  Yes I have physical access to the machine now.
[03:13] <tricky1> TheMuso: No
[03:13] <TheMuso> Have you checked that there is something listening on port 22?
[03:13] <kapputu> ogra u from UK ?
[03:13] <debby> TheMuso: how do I check this?
[03:14] <ogra> LinuxJones: in fact i'm in a new job in my company from the 2nd next month, there will be not much sleeping anymore i guess
[03:14] <Hikaru79> Hmm... strange
[03:14] <Hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:~ $ sudo alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.rpm
[03:14] <Hikaru79> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[03:14] <ogra> kapputu: germany
[03:14] <cardador> anyone know where is located the ubuntu wallpapers?
[03:14] <cardador> Hikaru79: close synaptic ;)
[03:14] <TheMuso> If you have pphysical access, type netstat | less which will display information about any software that is waiting for connections, and your established connections. Search for port 22 or ssh.
[03:14] <ogra> cardador: ubuntu-artwork
[03:14] <tricky1> is there a way to reconfigure X?
[03:15] <kapputu> u speak very good english
[03:15] <cardador> ogra: i mean in the filesystem
[03:15] <Hikaru79> Ooooh
[03:15] <Hikaru79> LOL
[03:15] <kapputu> why don't english speaking people learn other languages ?
[03:15] <Hikaru79> That would explain it :P
[03:15] <thoreauputic> tricky1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:15] <cardador> kapputu: i vote for portuguese!
[03:15] <LinuxJones> ogra, you can always find time for a nap, no matter what job. See Homer Simpson :D
[03:15] <ogra> cardador: terminal: dpkg --listfiles ubuntu-artwork
[03:15] <cardador> ogra: thanks
[03:16] <ogra> LinuxJones: *g*
[03:16] <ogra> LinuxJones: this job will stress me a lot :(
[03:16] <tricky1> thoreauputic: can i do that booting the recovery kernel?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> tricky1: have you tried the command? I don't follow you, sorry
[03:18] <kapputu> how do I keep my wireless connection from getting disconnected every 2 mins
[03:18] <GotD0t> good question
[03:18] <ogra> kapputu: did this happen before the powerfailure ?
[03:19] <brettcar> kapputu: If it isn't a driver problem, a better AP or antenna on your card.
[03:19] <tricky1> thoreauputic: I just installed, and If i let GRUB boot normally, it goes up through everything okay, but when it goes to start X the screen stays black, this doesn't happen when I boot using the "recovery" option in GRUB
[03:19] <debby> TheMuso: I can ssh into my ubuntu machine at work, but not the one at home.  Comparing netstat on the two machines did not show anything different.
[03:19] <LinuxJones> ogra, what are you doing ?
[03:19] <tricky1> I get a root@<hostname> prompt
[03:20] <thoreauputic> tricky1: try typing the command I gave you at that prompt
[03:20] <tricky1> okay
[03:20] <thoreauputic> tricky1:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:20] <TheMuso> debby: You could try restarting the server.
[03:21] <LinuxJones> ok the World Series is over :)
[03:21] <Hikaru79> OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o
[03:21] <ogra> LinuxJones: i'm at a cable provider , started runnung the cablemodem testlab three years ago....after a lot firing i moved to datamining/informationmanagement (a lot of sleep)
[03:21] <GotD0t> who won?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> tricky1: if it's a root prompt you should not need the "sudo'
[03:21] <kapputu> yes it was happening all the while
[03:21] <kapputu> how do I get an antenna ?
[03:21] <brettcar> kapputu: Buy one? :)
[03:21] <LinuxJones> ogra, your like an ISP ?
[03:21] <brettcar> kapputu: Make one? :)
[03:21] <kapputu> what kind of an antenna and how much does it cost
[03:21] <kapputu> how do I install it ?
[03:21] <tricky1> thoreauputic: thanks, hopefully will return with results
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: now i'll be settopbox specialist and responsible for the digital headends....
[03:22] <brettcar> kapputu: Maybe you could get a book of WiFi technology to read up more about how wireless radio works?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> tricky1: choose the simple options and defaults
[03:22] <LinuxJones> ogra, your in Europe I would assume ?
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: cable....tv internet viop phones
[03:22] <kapputu> I would definitely do it if I had the time
[03:22] <tricky1> okay
[03:22] <ogra> s/viop/voip
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: germany
[03:22] <kapputu> ok how do I install an antenna ?
[03:23] <cardador> bye all!
[03:23] <jdub> djtansey: haven't done suspend
[03:24] <LinuxJones> ogra, do you have any connections @ your company . I am looking for a European host for a project that I am working on. (will require a fair amount of bandwidth) ?
[03:24] <debby> TheMuso: problem solved, I was trying the wrong ip address, dhcp gave me a new address today.  Thanks for the help.
[03:24] <ares> well that was simple :D
[03:24] <ares> I am _really_ liking this
[03:24] <GotD0t> debby: you might want to check into no-ip
[03:25] <ogra> LinuxJones: they won't host anything not even their own flatrate customers (marketing is sometimes pretty ill)
[03:25] <ares> woot, and there is 'prelink;
[03:25] <debby> GotDot: what's no-ip?
[03:26] <LinuxJones> ogra, you should find a new job :)
[03:26] <ogra> LinuxJones: its a 900 emp. company....huge security crap....
[03:26] <ares> and vlc
[03:26] <ares> !
[03:26] <GotD0t> debby: its a service that lets you download an app that will automatically check for changes to your dynamic ip and then update the DNS servers to allow you to use one address continually
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[03:26] <LinuxJones> ogra, it's just hosting a bittorrent stream :)
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> any of you look at the lunar eclipse tonight
[03:27] <ogra> LinuxJones: i should.... did i mention i have no clue of settopboxes....
[03:27] <GotD0t> im keeping an eye on it
[03:28] <ogra> LinuxJones: but will be responsible for 4mio customers :(
[03:28] <ares> <peeks for gtkpod>
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: yu here every night?
[03:28] <GotD0t> nomasteryoda: pretty much ;-)
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[03:28] <LinuxJones> ogra, If they give you a paycheck don't knock it :D
[03:29] <ogra> LinuxJones: i wont.... but i wont be the CTOs pet (which is included obviously ... disgusting)
[03:29] <Drel> i have a dell inspiron 2650 laptop, which uses the geforce 2 go chipset.  I installed the nvidia drivers (by default, Ubuntu booted into 640x480 @ 60hz and supported no other modes).  Now, everything works great, except -- when I logout, or go to shutdown or restart, the screen goes completely black and I have to power down the computer by holding down the power button for 2+ seconds.  Any idea what's causing this, how I could debug it,
[03:29] <Drel> a possible fix,...?
[03:29] <kapputu> hi gotdot
[03:30] <GotD0t> hi
[03:30] <ogra> LinuxJones: what will drive me to resign if i cant bear it anymore....
[03:31] <djtansey> jdub: what laptop do you have? i have really good acpi suspend. even live docking/undocking. just haven't figured out why it doesn't ceme back right sometimes.
[03:31] <WW> Basic hardware question: is "15 pin D-sub" the standard VGA-type connector?
[03:31] <geppy> Ubuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)
[03:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, I levft a job that I was in for 12 years that I hated. I quite frankly told them exactly what I thought of them. (that wasnt' very much) I don't recommend it as you will need some good references for your next job :)
[03:32] <GotD0t> geppy: I've never hadd XMMS crash on me
[03:32] <geppy> Yeah, I never have, under any other distro.
[03:33] <WW> geppy: The only program that I recall crashing in the last few weeks is Screem.  (But I don't use XMMS or P.../Cedega.)
[03:33] <ogra> LinuxJones: i got my cv... thats enough.....at least to find _something_
[03:33] <LinuxJones> 3-0 Boston over the Cards...series is over (in the 4th)
[03:33] <GotD0t> wow
[03:33] <LinuxJones> ogra, cv ?
[03:34] <ogra> LinuxJones: curriculum vitae, course of life ?
[03:34] <reformed> LinuxJones:  I did that once, now it's come back to bite me in the ass.  :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> reformed, you can't dwell on the past I just told them the truth (as you did) I have no regrets. Sure I have NO money but I have my pride :)
[03:36] <GotD0t> haha
[03:38] <LinuxJones> reformed, my resignation letter was 3 pages long, I am sure that those idiots are still passing it around to different departments (and it's been 3 years) !!!!
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:39] <kapputu> ok ye'all
[03:39] <GotD0t> ?
[03:39] <kapputu> Fresh ubuntu
[03:40] <kapputu> see you in approx 40 mins ?
[03:40] <GotD0t> have fun
[03:40] <kapputu> thanks
[03:40] <kapputu> ogra please explain GotDot where I screwed up
[03:40] <GotD0t> kapputu: you might wanna back up some config files...
[03:41] <kapputu> hmmm yes !!
[03:41] <kapputu> how do I do that
[03:41] <ogra> GotD0t: he corrupted his filesys (ext2) and wants to switch to ext3 now
[03:41] <GotD0t> well figure out which ones you need and email em to yourself or put em on a floppy
[03:41] <ogra> GotD0t: and wants to spilt in more partitions...
[03:42] <izaac> hey people, in the installation process, it is safe to format with XFS for / ?
[03:42] <izaac> i will get no errors with grub?
[03:42] <ogra> izaac: if you know how to run grub twice
[03:42] <kapputu> ogra, you never told me how to get it into more partitions :(
[03:42] <GotD0t> ogra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem?
[03:43] <jdub> djtansey: Dell X300, it has a borky DSDT, which i haven't bothered to play with yet
[03:43] <izaac> why do i need to run it twice?
[03:43] <ogra> GotD0t: powerloss on write.....
[03:43] <GotD0t> ogra: oh
[03:43] <ogra> izaac: i read its a workaround.... grub works the second time....
[03:44] <kapputu> ogra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem? -- by installing ext2 :-(
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:44] <izaac> ogra: then i must not format the root partition with XFS?
[03:45] <ogra> clouds :(
[03:45] <GotD0t> watch it online
[03:45] <izaac> its weird there is not a warning for this in the installer :S
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> how do you change the root password for Ubuntu
[03:45] <ogra> izaac: i did it, dunno if it works everytime
[03:45] <ogra> nomasteryoda: there is none ;)
[03:46] <geppy> sudo passwd
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> really
[03:46] <izaac> ogra: mmm ok then reserfs will do the job
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> that's simple
[03:46] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[03:46] <izaac> well then the question is: how do i disable sudo?
[03:46] <kapputu> hey the eclise is cool
[03:47] <kapputu> izaac :you don't
[03:47] <ogra> url anyone ?
[03:47] <kapputu> add yourself to sudoers
[03:47] <kapputu> it's insecure but
[03:47] <Hikaru79> OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o
[03:47] <izaac> kapputu: well ok
[03:47] <ogra> kapputu: the default user is in sudo
[03:47] <kapputu> doesnt work for me that way
[03:48] <izaac> wow cplay rules!
[03:48] <kapputu> what's cplay ?
[03:48] <izaac> ncurses sound player
[03:48] <ogra> izaac: sudo is tied in deeply in ubuntu, youll have to change a lot for not unsing it in X
[03:48] <GotD0t> ok... im done with the eclipse... boring
[03:48] <GotD0t> going to take a shower
[03:49] <izaac> ogra: i take it back
[03:49] <izaac> hehehe
[03:49] <kapputu> ok bye bye all
[03:49] <ogra> izaac: try it out, its ingeious
[03:49] <kapputu> any words of wisdom before I leave ?
[03:50] <GotD0t> did you back up?
[03:50] <defendguin> anyone using NetworkManager?
[03:50] <ogra> izaac: like many other concepts in ubuntu
[03:50] <kapputu> nothing to backup
[03:50] <kapputu> but I would like to save my wireless config
[03:50] <izaac> ogra: yeah like the philosophy
[03:51] <izaac> thats why im here in first place
[03:51] <ogra> kapputu: save /etc/network/interfaces should be enough
[03:51] <ogra> izaac: ;)
[03:51] <izaac> >8-D
[03:52] <geppy> Is anyone else having trouble with Ubuntu being unstable?
[03:53] <GotD0t> not here
[03:53] <kapputu> i saved start_net
[03:53] <izaac> me neither
[03:53] <geppy> Alright.
[03:53] <ogra> no i didnt touch hory yet ;)
[03:53] <geppy> I may just reinstall.
[03:53] <ogra> s/hory/hoary
[03:53] <kapputu> geppy, only because i installed it on a ext2 fs
[03:53] <izaac> :( ext2 its toooooo old
[03:54] <kapputu> no one told me :-(
[03:54] <ogra> izaac: its faast
[03:54] <izaac> try reiserfs
[03:54] <izaac> but not secure for crashes
[03:54] <ogra> but unsafe
[03:54] <ogra> lol
[03:54] <cef_work> geppy: unstable how?
[03:55] <geppy> Ubuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)
[03:55] <Pizbit> geppy: Hahaha;)
[03:55] <Pizbit> geppy: Sounds reallly odd
[03:55] <cef_work> geppy: default kernel?
[03:55] <ogra> geppy: did you use only ubuntu packages ?
[03:56] <Pizbit> geppy: Sad thing is, it could be something a simple as that it's thursday:)
[03:56] <izaac> my xmms crashes too
[03:56] <Hikaru79> I'm having Rythmbox problems too
[03:56] <cef_work> Pizbit: I never could get the hang of Thbursdays
[03:56] <Hikaru79> And I have xmms problems as well, but I had those under debian as well
[03:56] <geppy> Default.
[03:56] <cef_work> Pizbit: see? I can't even spell it right!!
[03:56] <izaac> but there is a bug because the nvidia driver
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Never had any problems with GAIM so far yet though
[03:56] <Pizbit> cef_work: Hahaha:)
[03:56] <geppy> Point2Play/Cedega use foreign packages, they're proprietary.
[03:57] <Pizbit> Gaim is fine here, only use xmms to awake me in the morning since amarok doesn't have an xmms-alarm plugin yet
[03:57] <geppy> Default kernel.
[03:57] <geppy> Evolution/GAIM/XMMS all Ubuntu packages, except two GAIM plugins, but it was crashing before that.
[03:57] <Pizbit> Rhythmbox, well, my opinion on that is known.
[03:57] <geppy> GRIP is an Ubuntu packages, and Rhythmbox, yeah, I think that one is just a crappy app.  :)
[03:57] <geppy> Nice idea, though.
[03:58] <Pakal> Ubuntu doesnt have modconf!
[03:58] <geppy> heh
[03:58] <Pizbit> Pakal: That's nice to know.
[03:58] <geppy> It crashed on Wednesday, too.  =)
[03:58] <Pizbit> geppy: Must crash on *day :)
[03:59] <geppy> I've installed the necessary packages to fix the NVIDIA/XMMS problem.
[03:59] <geppy> heh
[03:59] <geppy> :)
[03:59] <Pizbit> Change your calendar and you'll be sweet
[03:59] <geppy> haha
[03:59] <fluoro> I don't think Rhythmbox is a crappy app.
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> juk is better
[03:59] <fluoro> It's missing a couple things that I would like though.
[03:59] <geppy> fluoro:  It sucks at not being a memory hog.
[04:00] <geppy> fluoro:  It also sucks at having features that every sound app should have, such as the ability to select your sound preferences.
[04:00] <cef_work> Pizbit: perhaps it doesn't like days with vowels in them?
[04:00] <fluoro> What kind of sound preferences?
[04:00] <Pizbit> cef_work: Ya never know
[04:00] <geppy> hahaha
[04:00] <geppy> ALSA
[04:00] <Pizbit> fluoro: Such as choosing the output sink!
[04:00] <ashari> hi everyone
[04:01] <ogra> geppy: not nesseccary if it works
[04:01] <Raenk> Hi all, how can i get to install xfce4 instead of gnome ?
[04:01] <cef_work> geppy: what sound card?
[04:01] <fluoro> Pizbit: What else would you want to output to other than the sound card?
[04:01] <geppy> Oh, my sound works fine, I'm just saying that Rhythmbox doesn't let you select, so I can't use ALSA/dmix with it, or whatever else it is that I want to use.
[04:01] <cef_work> fluoro: a different sound card? direct to disk file?
[04:01] <ashari> Anyone willing to tackle a frozen install in Virtual PC 7 on Mac OS X?
[04:02] <Pizbit> fluoro: Well, there's esd, alsa and oss emulation, often one works better than the others for people
[04:02] <geppy> Nforce2 onboard + unused SB 16 PCI
[04:02] <Pizbit> Especially when dealing with gstreamer.
[04:02] <geppy> And especially when you don't think high latency is fun, a la ESD.
[04:02] <fluoro> Pizbit: But we don't want to have all of those.  We want OSS and ESD to die.
[04:02] <Pizbit> fluoro: Uhm, so?
[04:02] <geppy> haha
[04:03] <Pizbit> I deal with reality, not dreams.
[04:03] <geppy> That doesn't fix the lack of choice, though.
[04:03] <fluoro> Pizbit: I think having that in the sound player app is bad.  There should just be a "sound configuration" dialog somewhere that sets your sound system, and then all audio players use that setup.
[04:03] <geppy> You can't even reorder the info tabs (track/title/genre/artist/album)
[04:03] <geppy> fluoro:  Well, there isn't.
[04:03] <fluoro> geppy: That's my complaint with it.  Not being able to reorder or rename things.
[04:03] <geppy> fluoro:  Yeah.
[04:03] <ogra> geppy: no choice is the best one....(which would be a direct connection to your soundcard by default)
[04:04] <Pizbit> Someone make a gtk port of amaroK !
[04:04] <fluoro> geppy: Then someone should fucking make one and stop blaming some music player that has nothing to do with that, and shouldn't have anything to do with that.
[04:04] <geppy> I don't understand why it has text dialogs for the info, if you can't change it without using vi on the flat file.
[04:04] <geppy> fluoro:  I would like to, really, but no one would use it.
[04:04] <geppy> People like having apps that don't work together.
[04:04] <Pizbit> Bigots are fun:)
[04:04] <geppy> They think that it's fun.
[04:04] <geppy> hahaha
[04:05] <Pizbit> Not pretending that I'm not one of course.
[04:05] <cef_work> geppy: fyi, all those apps that seem to crash use sound somehow, and I'm sort of wondering if it's having problems with more than one program trying to access the device
[04:05] <geppy> ogra:  ALSA/JACK is the best choice.  :)
[04:05] <geppy> cef: I've configured GAIM to use my system speaker, so I doubt it.
[04:05] <geppy> GRIP doesn't actually do sound, by the way.
[04:05] <cef_work> geppy: total guesswork of course, but I've seen apps just die if they can't use sound and they're configured for it
[04:05] <geppy> erm.
[04:05] <geppy> output, my bad
[04:05] <izaac> well cause there is no java package for ubuntu im trying to build it myself with mpkg-j2se
[04:05] <ogra> geppy: there will be something new in hoary ;) esd is dropped
[04:05] <geppy> cef: Yeah.
[04:05] <geppy> ogra:  YAY!  :)
[04:05] <Pizbit> ogra: dmix?
[04:06] <geppy> ogra:   When is Hoary due?
[04:06] <fluoro> Pizbit: What's great about amaroK?  I've never seen it.
[04:06] <ogra> geppy: is still discussed i think
[04:06] <cef_work> izaac: best way afaik
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Check out their website amarok.kde.org iirc
[04:06] <geppy> ogra:  Alright, thanks.  :)
[04:06] <izaac> afaik?
[04:06] <ogra> hoary will get released in april
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Look at the feature list and screen shots.
[04:06] <fluoro> Okay.
[04:06] <cef_work> as far as I know
[04:06] <geppy> But really, if someone wrote an app to set a default soundsystem for everything, would distro managers use it?  Odds are, no.
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Oh yeah, and the devs are great fun:)
[04:07] <fluoro> Pizbit: At a glance, it looks pretty cool.  Except that I'm not sure if I like the browser-style interface for a music player.
[04:07] <ogra> geppy: but why, if the right selection is made its enough
[04:07] <Pizbit> fluoro: There is the player-window only mode
[04:07] <tricky1> okay, got it working by removing my ATI Card
[04:08] <geppy> ogra:  ESD != right selection
[04:08] <cef_work> oss needs to die soon.. just a pity some of the alsa drives are still buggy
[04:08] <Pizbit> fluoro: Basically browser + player window, player window or browser window, three combinations:)
[04:08] <tricky1> Now i have a question about my mounted windows drive(FAT32)
[04:08] <geppy> Amarok looks nice, but it's KDE.
[04:08] <fluoro> Pizbit: Sounds potentially confusing. =)
[04:08] <fluoro> Pizbit: But still does look pretty nice.
[04:09] <tricky1> When I try to goto "Documents and Settings" the file manager thinks it's a normal file and not a folder
[04:09] <tricky1> it this a bug?
[04:09] <tricky1> is
[04:09] <cef_work> geppy: doesn't mean that gnome dev's can't learn from it though.. *grin*
[04:09] <geppy> cef: heh
[04:09] <cef_work> geppy: and the reverse is always true
[04:09] <ogra> geppy: thats why its dropped
[04:09] <geppy> cef:  I would like to port Amarok to GTK+/GNOME. That'd be fun.
[04:09] <geppy> ogra:  Right.
[04:10] <cef_work> geppy: get cracking
[04:10] <ogra> night all
[04:10] <geppy> g'night
[04:10] <geppy> cef:  heh  :)
[04:10] <fluoro> geppy: I'd be all down with working on a music player that doesn't suck, but I'd be more interested in working on it in Gtk#.  Doing this GUI shit in C sort of sucks.
[04:10] <geppy> fluoro:  How so?
[04:10] <Cube-ness> pygtk
[04:10] <fluoro> geppy: It's so much less productive of a language for this sort of stuff.
[04:11] <tricky1> can anyone help me
[04:11] <geppy> fluoro:  It's more portable, though, isn't it?
[04:11] <geppy> tricky1: is "docs and settings" a link?
[04:12] <fluoro> geppy: Technically speaking, yes.  But how portable does it need to be?  You're basically aiming for users who use Gnome and 95% or more of them are Linux users.
[04:12] <tricky1> no Idea
[04:12] <Cube-ness> python portability rules..
[04:12] <tricky1> I just mounted the drive
[04:12] <GotD0t> tricky1: where is the docs and settings you're trying to access
[04:12] <Cube-ness> fluoro, theres ppc linux ya know.. and many others
[04:12] <tricky1> in windows it goes to all the user names
[04:12] <geppy> fluoro:  True, but porting it to Windows would be neat.  Hell, I'd never use it, but I'd sell it to my friends.  :)
[04:12] <fluoro> Cube-ness: Yeah, I know.  How is C++ or C# less portable on PPC than on x86?
[04:12] <tricky1> /mnt/windows
[04:13] <GotD0t> tricky1: winxp?
[04:13] <fluoro> geppy: Gtk# runs on Windows.  It doesn't look native, but that's not my problem.
[04:13] <tricky1> yes
[04:13] <Cube-ness> fluoro, didnt mean to imply it was.. just saying theres that kind of portability too
[04:13] <geppy> fluoro:  True, but the people using it care.
[04:13] <GotD0t> trick1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?
[04:13] <fluoro> Cube-ness: Yeah, I know.  I think using a language like Python or C# makes that sort of portability easier than using C or C++.
[04:13] <jdub> GTK+ can look native on windows, if built with wimp-gtk
[04:13] <geppy> fluoro:  Odds are, the devs aren't going to be the ones using it, but if they let the fact that they don't care show, no one would be using it.
[04:14] <bratsche> I just realized I've been using my other nick.
[04:14] <GotD0t> tricky1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?
[04:14] <tricky1> GotD0t: yes
[04:14] <GotD0t> hmm
[04:14] <GotD0t> thats odd
[04:14] <bratsche> geppy: I guess.  I'm just saying that, as a developer who would be writing something for myself to use, I'd enjoy using Gtk# more than Gtk+ and I think I could develop a better product faster.
[04:15] <Cube-ness> bratsche, what i like is making an app in wxPython.. write it once and it runs all over the place.. windows, osx, linux, etc etc
[04:15] <GotD0t> trick1: it shouldn't be like that
[04:15] <tricky1> When I try going to it in XMMS it thinks it's a file
[04:15] <geppy> Is amarok in the depository?  I don't see it.
[04:15] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yeah, that's very cool.  I like Python, but for some reason I've never really considered using it seriously.  I honestly don't know why.
[04:15] <tricky1> Or Gaim for images
[04:15] <tricky1> but i can cd to it from the terminal
[04:16] <geppy> Cube-ness:  I've never used py, I might give it a try.
[04:16] <thoreauputic> tricky1: if you browse to it in nautilus does it show as a directory?
[04:16] <bratsche> Cube-ness: One reason is likely that I just feel more comfortable with things with C-like syntax.  I know that sounds really stupid and amateurish though.
[04:17] <Cube-ness> python is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it enough
[04:17] <bratsche> Why?
[04:17] <tricky1> nautilus is the file browser right?
[04:17] <bratsche> tricky1: Yes.
[04:17] <tricky1> it sees it as a normal file
[04:17] <tricky1> not as a directory
[04:17] <Cube-ness> bratsche, well, its gets out of my way.. lets me think about my app rather than language quirks
[04:18] <Cube-ness> and you can code at lightspeed
[04:18] <Cube-ness> hehe
[04:18] <GotD0t> tricky1: are you sure you're poitning to the same place, and not say... the my documents folder
[04:18] <thoreauputic> tricky1: but in a terminal it shows as a directory, right?
[04:18] <geppy> Okay, does anyone here _use_ Amarok under Ubuntu?
[04:18] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Sorry, I misread what you said.  I thought you said "python is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it though".  Sorry. =)
[04:18] <tricky1> thoreauputic, Right
[04:18] <Cube-ness> hehe
[04:19] <thoreauputic> tricky1: are you sure you are looking at the same thing when you do it with the file browser?
[04:19] <WW_MoonWatch> ooohh, just a sliver left...
[04:20] <tricky1> thoreauputic, Yes
[04:20] <bratsche> Cube-ness: I guess since I have no real experience with Python or that community, I always sort of think about performance.  I guess I could sit down and try to experiment around with performance in a Python program, a C++ program, and a C# program.
[04:20] <tricky1> each time /mnt/windows
[04:20] <bratsche> I doubt I ever will though.
[04:20] <tricky1> I mounted it using mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows/
[04:20] <GotD0t> tricky1: only thing i can think of would be to umount then mount it again
[04:20] <tricky1> tried that
[04:21] <GotD0t> oh
[04:21] <tricky1> maybe add it to fstab?
[04:21] <GotD0t> dunno what else
[04:21] <GotD0t> its fat32?
[04:21] <Cube-ness> bratsche, performance, as in sheer computing power?
[04:21] <tricky1> yes
[04:23] <izaac> hey dudes how can i install only the security updates using apt-get ?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> tricky1: very weird :/
[04:23] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yeah, I guess so.  Like, how would the three compare in doing some big-ass searching/sorting algorithms.  That would be an interesting test.  I'm too lazy to actually try it out though.
[04:23] <jdub> izaac: only enable the security line in sources.list
[04:24] <izaac> and, then....
[04:24] <tricky1> hmmm i just tried double clicking it in nautilus and the directory disappeared
[04:24] <tricky1> I'm using RC1
[04:24] <tricky1> I saw somewhere about RC2 being out?
[04:25] <Cube-ness> bratsche, c++ would likely win, in the end.. however, the python versio would likely take 1/10th the time to implement, giving you more time to do other things, or optimize the routine further. hehe
[04:25] <jdub> izaac: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade as normal
[04:25] <WW_MoonWatch> izaac: Are you a command line person or a Synaptic user?
[04:25] <jdub> tricky1: RC2 of...?
[04:25] <GotD0t> and its on WinXP? i thought XP used NTFS
[04:25] <GotD0t> like, exclusively...
[04:25] <GotD0t> tricky1: did you upgrade XP from a previous windows version?
[04:26] <tricky1> no
[04:26] <tricky1> It's SP2
[04:26] <GotD0t> haha
[04:26] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: no, you can choose to have fat32 with XP
[04:26] <tricky1> FAT32 is faster
[04:26] <bratsche> Cube-ness: It would be interesting to see how Python and C# compare in both runtime and in implementation time.  For me, I expect that I would implement things faster in C# since I'm somewhat comfortable with it now.
[04:26] <tricky1> but NTFS is more secure
[04:26] <thoreauputic> tricky1: ah - sp2 breaks stuff, from what I've heard
[04:26] <GotD0t> well if you dont care as much about speed you MIGHT want to try converting to NTFS
[04:27] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Mono's JIT is pretty impressive on certain things.  Discounting startup time, they've got some things actually running faster than a comparable piece of code compiled by gcc from C/C++.
[04:27] <tricky1> hmmm
[04:28] <izaac> WW_Moonwatch: both
[04:28] <izaac> command and GUI
[04:28] <tricky1> Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu RC1 to Release without doing a full reinstall?
[04:29] <jdub> tricky1: apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:29] <thoreauputic> tricky1: I don't know, but it's possible you are looking at a Windows problem rather than a linux one here
[04:29] <jdub> tricky1: or, use synaptic to do the same thing in gui land
[04:29] <izaac> but for install packages in debian i used to install via apt-get in the terminal
[04:29] <WW_MoonWatch> izaac: OK, just checking.
[04:30] <Zindar> izaac: you can in ubuntu also
[04:30] <Zindar> morning all
[04:30] <izaac> WW_Moonwatch: thanks
[04:30] <Cube-ness> bratsche, yeah.. but really, how often does 'fast' like that matter? to me, the abliity to code fast, in a clean readable syntax thereby making extending and maintaing my apps easier and more creative (less time thinking about language, more about my ideas) is a good trade off for some speed that you'll only notice in contrived benchmarkings
[04:31] <humprinch> hi all, anyone have any idea how to keep my laptop fan from coming on so often?
[04:32] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yes, I agree with that.  This is the main thing I have against writing GUI apps in C these days.  I just feel like it's less productive, more error-prone, and for runtime speeds that are not necessarily faster.
[04:32] <geppy> humprinch: ice packs work well
[04:32] <humprinch> geppy: not so well for the crotch though
[04:32] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Then again, I haven't been doing a lot of GUI app coding recently so it's easy for me to say this stuff.  I've been working on 3d game engine code.
[04:32] <Cube-ness> bratsche, hehe.. thats why i said "pygtk".. hehe
[04:32] <RageMax> sooo...where is the xorg.conf file exactly?
[04:32] <tricky1> hmmm
[04:33] <RageMax> because I just searched the entire fs for it
[04:33] <tricky1> this looks normal, right
[04:33] <Cube-ness> RageMax, /etc/X11
[04:33] <tricky1> /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/windows type vfat (rw)
[04:33] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Personally, I'd be more productive in C#.  But that's just because I'm more familiar with it.  I might be able to becomee more productive in Python if I spent more time with it first.
[04:33] <geppy> hmm..
[04:33] <geppy> I think something just might be wrong with my sound setup, after all.
[04:34] <geppy> Just installed JuK, and it's crashing like crazy.
[04:34] <bratsche> heh
[04:34] <geppy> :)
[04:34] <bratsche> I knew it wasn't rhythmbox's fault!
[04:34] <geppy> hahaha
[04:34] <bratsche> =)
[04:34] <geppy> Rhythmbox just _won't_ _recognize most of my music, though.  =)
[04:35] <geppy> Either way, I think I'm off for a fresh install.
[04:35] <bratsche> Bummer.
[04:35] <geppy> heh
[04:35] <bratsche> The thing about Rhythmbox that annoys me (although someone told me they're working on fixing it) is that I can't rename stuff.
[04:35] <geppy> Killed JuK, but I'm still getting errors all over the place in the terminal that it was using...
[04:35] <geppy> bratsche:  Yeah, I _hate_ that.
[04:36] <geppy> That, and the whole "this is how it comes, you can't change it" attitude.
[04:36] <bratsche> And when I rip a CD into Rhythmbox, it might store the artists as "J.S. Bach".. but I already have another CD ripped and stored under "Johann Sebastian Bach", or "J.S.Bach".
[04:36] <geppy> I want Artist-Album, like everything else uses, for crying out loud.
[04:36] <geppy> Yeah, but you _can_ change at rip time.
[04:36] <geppy> Besides, Sound-Juicer sucks, too.
[04:36] <bratsche> Yeah, but I don't notice while I'm ripping that it's "J.S.Bach" instead of "J.S. Bach"
[04:37] <Cube-ness> grip works fine
[04:37] <bratsche> I shouldn't have to worry about that at rip time.  I should be able to go back at a later time and say, "Oops" and fix it.
[04:37] <geppy> bratsche:  Yeah.  If you want to, you _can_ edit the flat file in ~./rhythmbox/is/a/crappy/app/
[04:38] <geppy> I did that to change a few, and then decided that it was too much of a pain.
[04:38] <bratsche> Yeah.
[04:38] <bratsche> The correct solution is just to learn the code to Rhythmbox and send in a patch. =)
[04:38] <bratsche> But I was told that they are going to fix that.
[04:39] <geppy> heh
[04:39] <geppy> The solution is to use XMMS.  ;-)
[04:39] <Pizbit^> Haha, no.
[04:39] <tricky1> dammit
[04:39] <tricky1> kicks
[04:39] <GotD0t> ?
[04:40] <tricky1> this is driving me nuts
[04:40] <GotD0t> id imagine
[04:40] <geppy> I'm moving my homedir onto another disc, then reinstalling, so I'm out of here.
[04:40] <geppy> See you guys in a couple of hours.  :)
[04:40] <Pizbit> :)
[04:40] <Pizbit> Have fun
[04:40] <geppy> Will do.  :)
[04:40] <tricky1> i could just cp the music folder from the terminal to this partition
[04:41] <tricky1> but that defeats the purpose
[04:41] <bratsche> Yeah, using xmms is not the correct solution.  xmms sort of blows also. =)
[04:43] <bratsche> I mean, unless you actually like it.  Then, sure.
[04:47] <tricky1> how would I add my HDC1 to FSTAB to automount?
[04:49] <GotD0t> adding to fstab will automount it
[04:49] <tricky1> how do i add to fstab?
[04:49] <bratsche> Dammit, I need to figure out this issue with my LANG and environment.
[04:49] <bratsche> Has anyone else had problems getting this stuff setup?
[04:50] <GotD0t> well open fstab as sudo
[04:50] <tricky1> it's open
[04:50] <bratsche> At first it was just annoying because Perl would whine about it.  But now Subversion is rendered completely inoperable while this is incorrectly setup, and I have no idea how to fix it.
[04:50] <GotD0t> /dev/hdc1 in the first column, the mount point in the second one
[04:50] <tricky1> I just need to know what I'm typing in there
[04:50] <bratsche> svnadmin: error: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale
[04:50] <bratsche> svnadmin: error: environment variable LANG is en
[04:51] <GotD0t> tricky1: whatever the file type is
[04:51] <bratsche> Has anyone else recently installed Ubuntu with a fresh install?
[04:51] <GotD0t> can you write to fat32 in linux?
[04:52] <Pizbit> yes
[04:52] <GotD0t> k
[04:52] <tricky1> what options?
[04:52] <GotD0t> rw,user i guess
[04:52] <GotD0t> then dump and apss whould be 0
[04:53] <bratsche> jdub: I went into that locale setup you mentioned earlier, and it didn't fix anything.  Maybe it changed some stuff in /etc/environment or whatever, but it seems that the actual locale data is maybe not installed or something.  I have nfc. :(
[04:53] <GotD0t> pass*
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> like that nick
[04:59] <tricky1> heres a screenshot of my problem
[04:59] <tricky1> http://kc9fmj.com/docs.png
[05:00] <GotD0t> did you just try browsing it?
[05:00] <tricky1> ?
[05:00] <tricky1> clicking on it?
[05:00] <GotD0t> well trying to open it
[05:01] <tricky1> yes
[05:01] <tricky1> it does nothing
[05:01] <tricky1> right clicking makes it disappear
[05:02] <GotD0t> that is wierd
[05:02] <GotD0t> google it
[05:02] <tricky1> no help
[05:02] <tricky1> tried it
[05:03] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> er
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> tricky1:
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> did you
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> try
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> doing a ls
[05:04] <tricky1> i can access if from terminal
[05:04] <tricky1> it
[05:04] <tricky1> but not from a browser
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> wow
[05:04] <Agrajag-> hey all, i've been using debian for some time, interested in ubuntu - if i install warty, and keep my system up to date (im assuming using apt-get update/upgrade?), when hoary comes out, would my system be the same as that? or is there a different sources.list for that or something?
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> Agrajag-: that's a question I had too
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> phrased quite well
[05:05] <WW_MoonWatch> Agrajag-: There will be different repositories for hoary.
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> makes sense
[05:06] <WW_MoonWatch> Agrajag-: But they (Ubuntu, that is) say it will be easy to upgrade from warty to hoary.
[05:06] <Agrajag-> ah ok. so you could do a dist-upgrade to hoary i guess? or similar?
[05:06] <Agrajag-> cool
[05:06] <cef_work> Agrajag-: same as if you upgrade from one release to another in debian
[05:07] <cef_work> Agrajag-: you'd probalby have to change the sources to reflect that you want hoary instead of warty, but otherwise it's pretty much the same
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> tricky1:
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> is that as
[05:07] <Agrajag-> yeah ok, ta
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> sudo ?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> looks like you are using root mode to access that partition
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> what about from a new terminal
[05:08] <cef_work> in fact, it's possible that an update couldbe produced for warty that added in the hoary source lines to sources.list (commented out) so that you could easily select them in synaptic
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that is a good idea
[05:10] <cef_work> nomasteryoda: I just sort of thought of it.. *grin*
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:11] <Agrajag-> in the topic it says that cds will ship in a few weeks - is that up to date? does that mean they all get shipped in a few weeks, or it gets shipped in a few weeks from when you order it?
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> going to give Gnoppix_warty a spin
[05:13] <tricky1> root@tuxboxrox:/home/tricky1 # umount /dev/hdc1
[05:13] <tricky1> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[05:13] <tricky1> oh nevermind
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:13] <tricky1> still have nautilus up
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:15] <tricky1> mounting from user terminal doesn't help it either
[05:15] <LinuxJones> g'night all
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> tricky1: the permissions are wrong
[05:15] <riley> newb question: can deb packages compiled for woody be run on ubuntu?
[05:15] <Gmail> riley: maybe
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i have gotten them to wrok
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> work
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> just installed with apt
[05:16] <Gmail> riley: its best you get the package using apt-src
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:16] <riley> well i use apt-get for most
[05:17] <riley> but not all are in apt-get
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> true
[05:17] <tricky1> nomasteryoda: this is my fstab line
[05:18] <tricky1> /dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,user         0       0
[05:18] <Gmail> riley: you need to use apt-src
[05:18] <Gmail> please read the apt guide
[05:19] <riley> gmail: ok thanks
[05:19] <Gmail> woody uses gcc2.95 ubuntu uses 3.3 or 3.4 its your choice
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat umask=0,rw,user 0 0
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> umask sets your permissions so you can access the drive
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> as user
[05:20] <Gmail> riley: you need to to be completed on your sytem's lib file and woody package are old and ubuntu use new libs
[05:20] <billytwowilly> Is it just me, or is kde 3.2.3 the latest kde you can get in ubuntu?
[05:20] <riley> gmail: ok
[05:20] <Gmail> riley: anyway the ported all of sarge to ubuntu its under universe
[05:21] <tricky1> awesomeness
[05:21] <tricky1> it works!
[05:21] <riley> gmail: cool
[05:21] <tricky1> thanks you nomasteryoda!
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> hey Linux Power
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> or Linux to the Power
[05:23] <x43> is a 64 bit processor an awesome experience computing wise ?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> wish i had one to tell ya
[05:23] <GotD0t> me too
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> getting a dual 1.6 opteron for video work ... at work
[05:23] <cef_work> the dual opteron behind me goes quite well
[05:24] <x43> is there a stable motherboard for the operteron yet ?
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> here, send one to...<address hidden> GA
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:24] <x43> opteron
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> x43 sure
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> look at MonarchComputers
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> the sell tons of them
[05:24] <cef_work> main thing you notice the speed on is anything that does lots of memory moves, or heavy number crunching for things like compression
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> with Linux
[05:24] <x43> what motherboard do you suggest ?
[05:24] <cef_work> Tyan S2882 works well, but the onboard video is crap
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> yea, get an Nvidia 8x AGP for that
[05:25] <cef_work> serverworks chipsets tend to be the most stable for dual opteron's
[05:25] <punkass> i am using some Linuxant modem drivers, and i am having the problem of /dev/modem symlink being removed after a reboot..the guys from linuxant said I can add hsfstop and hsfconfig -a to my init scripts
[05:25] <x43> cef is it ok if i msg you ?
[05:25] <punkass> how would i go about doing that..is it something to do with update-rc.d?
[05:27] <MagicFab> Hello
[05:27] <billytwowilly> g'day
[05:28] <MagicFab> Looking for some advice to add Ubuntu as a 3rd OS to my system
[05:29] <tricky1> now that I've got it working
[05:29] <GotD0t> haha
[05:29] <MagicFab> I'd like to know what's the best way to go if I already have a dual boot Win + Mdk10 system
[05:29] <tricky1> windows doesn't seem the same
[05:29] <GotD0t> thats because its not
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> tricky1: yup
[05:29] <caleb_> how do i read a .sgml file?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> windows seems somehow much smaller, confined
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> like being in prison cell
[05:30] <caleb_> arent there special reader apps for sgml files?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> or something
[05:30] <tricky1> too bad I need windows to run Visual Basic
[05:30] <GotD0t> why doy ou need to run VB?
[05:30] <tricky1> I'm going to endup failing that class
[05:30] <GotD0t> oh
[05:30] <GotD0t> haha
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:30] <GotD0t> vb6?
[05:30] <tricky1> yeah
[05:30] <GotD0t> I can help...
[05:30] <tricky1> I dontunderstand variables and stuff
[05:30] <GotD0t> how can you not understand variables?
[05:31] <cef_work> x43: sure..
[05:31] <cef_work> sorry was getting some food
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ok, if you're going to discuss a MS product, open a new tab... ack
[05:31] <riley> tricky1: so you're capable of editing fstab but you don't know how to program?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <GotD0t> pretty funny
[05:32] <odinson> Hello.  Just wanted to say Ubuntu's installer and default config is the best in my 6 years of Linux
[05:32] <GotD0t> haha
[05:32] <GotD0t> amen to that
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> it is pretty damn good
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ugly, but very effective
[05:33] <odinson> I think I hit enter like 5 times.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:33] <GotD0t> heh
[05:33] <riley> yeah, i've been using linux for six months and I've tried 10-15 distros and none of them quite satisfied me except ubuntu
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> heck, i've done about 15 installs
[05:33] <cef_work> the hardest bit is always partitioning
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> very easy
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> my brother made the move to ubuntu
[05:34] <MagicFab> Speakin gof partitioning...
[05:34] <riley> it was made a little bit harder by my weird mobo chipset, but that goes for any distro
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> from knoppix
[05:34] <odinson> Unfortunatly It doesn't seem to know what to do with a sound card/onboard sound combo
[05:34] <MagicFab> Does the install provide tools for repartitioning an existing dual boot Win + Mdk10 ?
[05:34] <odinson> I've got 3 different things in my mixer.  DOh.
[05:34] <MagicFab> Any suggestions on how to best keep those two intact ?
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: go download Hirems
[05:39] <WW> Hello world.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: boot cd
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> it has lots of tools ... including Partition Magic 8.2
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ...helps a bunch
[05:39] <MagicFab> Hirems ?
[05:39] <WW> I've been scanning the Nautilus manual, and discovered the fonts:/// URI, which lets you see all the fonts on your system.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> let me get u url
[05:39] <MagicFab> Not finding anything with google
[05:39] <ken> hello, any idea on Gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 (warty) ?
[05:39] <WW> According to the manual, double-clicking on a font should provide a preview.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ken, is that the one that's out?
[05:39] <WW> But instead, an error window pops up.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> if so, I got it
[05:39] <ken> just out
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> got it
[05:39] <WW> Does it work for anyone else?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ken, going to check it out
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> Mag
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> sorry
[05:39] <ken> i'm not sure what's its difference from Ubuntu 4.10 live cd
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> Hirens
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> http://62.253.162.19/hiren.thanki/bootcd.html
[05:39] <kapputu> hi all
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> hey
[05:39] <kapputu> just back from a fresh install on an ext 3
[05:39] <GotD0t> hi kapputu
[05:39] <GotD0t> how'd that go
[05:39] <kapputu> previous one on ext2 got corrupted
[05:39] <kapputu> it was good
[05:39] <MagicFab> So.. I know about partition tools
[05:39] <kapputu> had some probs first up
[05:39] <punkass> WW: I get a can't display Location error
[05:39] <kapputu> it's been slow
[05:39] <GotD0t> oh?
[05:39] <MagicFab> I was just wondering what would be the best way to go if I already have coexisting Win98 + Mdk10
[05:39] <WW> punkass: Is that when you enter fonts:/// ?
[05:39] <kapputu> and the eth0 failed
[05:39] <kapputu> so I couldn't download packages from the net
[05:39] <kapputu> don't know what I missed
[05:39] <kapputu> I'm going to do a sudo base-config
[05:39] <punkass> WW: i can enter there...and there is the icons of each font with the letters Aa but when I double click on one i get that error
[05:40] <odinson> Does anyon know the best way to submit bugs??
[05:40] <WW> punkass: Right.
[05:40] <WW> odinson: channel topic
[05:40] <kapputu> GotDot it's really slow
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: is Mandrake controlling the boot with lilo?
[05:40] <kapputu> firefox takes like ages
[05:40] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> yes
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: and is installed in the MBR
[05:41] <WW> punkass: I guess I'm off to the Villa Bugzilla.  See you there, odinson :)
[05:41] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> yes in the MBR
[05:41] <punkass> WW: hehe
[05:41] <odinson> K
[05:41] <kapputu> how do I delete a character in vi ?
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: when you change the partitions...i.e. add one
[05:42] <punkass> Kamion: u around?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> mandrake should see it on boot ...
[05:42] <MagicFab> All space is already allocated. My /home is the biggest .
[05:42] <WW> odinson: Longer answer (didn't mean to sound curt): You can file bugs at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: Pqmagic can resize ext3
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> and ext2
[05:43] <MagicFab> ok
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> so you could allocate 2gb
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> for it
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> from the right side of your home part
[05:43] <MagicFab> is there anything I should do (besides backup) before attempting that ? "defrag'ing" ?
[05:43] <odinson> no worries TY
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> if you really torq it up, you can mod using a bootable
[05:43] <kougar_DVB> Anyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :(
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> na
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> not needed
[05:44] <punkass> where on ubuntu can i put something so it starts on boot up?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> unless you are resizing win98
[05:44] <MagicFab> No, the win98 will stay intact
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> then don't defrag
[05:44] <punkass> like rc.local or something
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> linux does not need that
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> punk
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:45] <punkass> but there is no rc.local
[05:45] <odinson> later
[05:46] <MagicFab> I already have Mdk10 setup
[05:47] <MagicFab> can I use the existing swap partition ?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> let Ubuntu format the swap
[05:47] <MagicFab> Will I have to creat 3 new partitions (including swap) to use Ubuntu ?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> you can "share" the swap
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> hey, there's my Gnoppix_warty login
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:48] <MagicFab> For example, if I resize my current /home, can I creat 2 new partitions (Ubuntu root and Ubunto /home) and share the existing swap ?
[05:48] <humprinch> anyone know how to stop my laptop fan from turning on so much?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: you could
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> if wanted
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> for transient distros I let them keep home under /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> on same partition as /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> transient here meaning testing
[05:49] <MagicFab> not sure what you mean
[05:49] <MagicFab> for "testing" distros ?
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:50] <kapputu> ubuntu is very slow on ext3
[05:50] <MagicFab> too used to creating 3 everytime
[05:50] <kapputu> with a 500 MB swap
[05:50] <MagicFab> good point
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> you do not need to have a separate home partition
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> unless you want
[05:50] <MagicFab> so in theory I could use thexisting swap, and only create 1 new partition to host both / and /home together
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> works for me
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> i have some 2GB drives
[05:50] <MagicFab> we'll see :)
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> with Ubuntu
[05:50] <kougar_DVB> Anyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :( /msg me if you can help
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> only / and /swap
[05:51] <MagicFab> kougar_DVB>  did u search in the forums ?
[05:51] <kougar_DVB> yeah I been looking
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: I have Suse, Mdk10.1, WinXP, Slack10, and Ubuntu on my laptop
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> all bootable
[05:52] <MagicFab> what's your boot manager ?
[05:52] <GotD0t> kapputu: hows it seem so slow?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> grub
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> ... from Ubuntu
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> it is very good at seeing the other distros
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> and adding them ...automagically
[05:53] <GotD0t> i love that word
[05:53] <MagicFab> Do you think Grub will recognize my Win98 & Mdk10 if I have it replace my current boot manager ?
[05:58] <punkass> man the debian room is a vicious place
[05:58] <GotD0t> really?
[05:58] <punkass> i just ask one question and some ass starts raggin' on me cuz i am using ubuntu and not debian and they are totally different
[05:58] <kapputu> where is the kernel source installed ?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: what order are your partitions?
[05:58] <kapputu> I mean the path
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> aren't they under /usr/src/Linux
[05:58] <MagicFab> 1-win98 2-/ 3-home 4-swap
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: cool
[05:59] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> tx. for taking this time
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> i do it on our lug group most nights
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> helps me too
[05:59] <kapputu> i tried to install cisco vpn client
[05:59] <kapputu> but I get an error
[06:00] <kapputu> ok how do I install the kernel source
[06:00] <xskoulax> sup people?
[06:00] <GotD0t> hi
[06:00] <kapputu> ok how do I install the kernel source
[06:01] <TpyoKnig> .
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> kapputu: apt-get install kernel-source ?
[06:01] <x43> other than monarch computers is there another place that sells linux certified opteron boxes ?  they had one that started around $650 but as it is preconfigured in the options it came out to alot more.
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> er, i'm sure
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> there is
[06:02] <kapputu> i guess it's linux-headers
[06:08] <rcc> join #gluch
[06:08] <Gmail> can i use some of hoary's package already?
[06:08] <kapputu> hey ppl
[06:09] <Gmail> rcc: is a spammer
[06:09] <kapputu> I'm getting an error trying to install vpnclient
[06:10] <GotD0t> really gmail, you figured that out all by yourself?
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> in the topic
[06:11] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: i know
[06:12] <Gmail> but some package should be ready
[06:14] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: no
[06:15] <mdz> kapputu: linux-headers-`uname-r`; it's in the FAQ
[06:15] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: why?
[06:16] <GotD0t> because he said so
[06:16] <Gmail> i am talking about one app
[06:16] <GotD0t> which
[06:16] <Gmail> xchat 2.4
[06:16] <Gmail> if its complete it should work
[06:16] <Gmail> well at lest from source
[06:16] <kapputu> yep got that
[06:17] <kapputu> mdz I need some help
[06:18] <kapputu> I get an error in insmod saying that -l is an invalid format
[06:18] <kapputu> it's not inserting a module I installed
[06:18] <TheMuso> Gmail: Fetch the source package from Deiban unstable sources and rebuild.
[06:18] <blahrus> anyone know how to get rar installed on x86-64
[06:18] <TheMuso> Debian
[06:19] <Gmail> TheMuso: ok
[06:19] <Gmail> so i'll add it to my sources.list and use apt-src
[06:20] <nathanieldelaney> hey.  my friends windows xp box has been ravaged by many users and is now so bad that he wants to reinstall, and he also wants to install ubuntu next to it.  what's the best strategy for installing both OSes to work together
[06:20] <GotD0t> XP first
[06:20] <GotD0t> otherwise it wont work
[06:21] <defendguin> is anyone using NetworkManager?
[06:21] <defendguin> thom@conical?
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> (every time i install linux next to xp, something gets screwed up.  at the moment im trying to get hal.dll reisntalled on windows)
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> xp first chronologicially or xp at the beginning of the drive?
[06:21] <Gmail> nathanieldelaney: why not forget about xp
[06:21] <GotD0t> afaik, windows wont work if its not the first thing on the drive
[06:21] <Gmail> and just use ubuntu
[06:21] <GotD0t> gmail: why not leave your comments to yourself
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> I might do that myself
[06:21] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: it will work to do ubuntu first :P  just have to rerun grub :)
[06:22] <nathanieldelaney> but my friend is stuck on xp
[06:22] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: install windows first, on the first partition
[06:22] <nathanieldelaney> k
[06:22] <GotD0t> exactly
[06:22] <Gmail> i say install ubuntu get (what its name vm-ware?) and run win xp under linux
[06:22] <bur[n] er> rerunning grub isn't too hard with the live cd... but yeah.. i'll shut up... for newbs... install xp, then linux
[06:22] <GotD0t> bur[n] er from what i understand windows wont run if its not on the first partition
[06:22] <bur[n] er> vmware isn't free
[06:23] <bur[n] er> there are free trials.. but that sucks
[06:23] <Gmail> its a lot more fun having not have to reboot to get into linux or xp
[06:23] <bur[n] er> and qemu is slow :\
[06:23] <Gmail> bur[n] er: there is a cheap one i here like $15
[06:23] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: works for me on another partition
[06:23] <nathanieldelaney> I would like to have xp because my college class registration has hangups in ubuntu - its optimized for ie
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Gmail: free is a lot better than $15
[06:24] <bur[n] er> save $15 and reboot is a better option for me
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> and macromeida authorware, my school's teaching tool, isnt available for linus
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> x*
[06:24] <GotD0t> bur[n] er really? either you're very lucky or they changed it
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: on the contrary
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> I have Windows 2k on my 3rd HD
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ... boots fine
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> he's talking partitions
[06:24] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: i've always run it this way... maybe it's a grub/lilo thing?  or an autodetect thing that messes up?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> using lilo to do the boot
[06:25] <Gmail> and linux is way better than xp and is free
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> works the same...mostly
[06:25] <bur[n] er> linux is way better than xp?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Gmail: certainly is better than XP
[06:25] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: i would suggest a fat32 partition also so you have someway of sharing stuff on linux and windows
[06:25] <Gmail> i rather save $200 and run a better os
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> nathanieldelaney: go out and buy crossoveroffice
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> then install IE
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> for that
[06:25] <GotD0t> gmail: we heard you the first time... but some people cant do that
[06:25] <kapputu> hi
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> it's worth the $40
[06:26] <kapputu> anyone got experience with Cisco VPN client ?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> s/in/if
[06:26] <Gmail> linux to winblows is like choc to poo
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:26] <bur[n] er> kapputu: on windows sure... not linux
[06:26] <xskoulax> bur[n] er:  linux is superior, but its only better if you can do everything you need to do on it, if you need macromedia authorware xp is better;)
[06:26] <bur[n] er> to each their own with regard to OS
[06:26] <bur[n] er> or if you need outlook :\
[06:26] <GotD0t> heh
[06:26] <lifeless> Gmail: you have chocolate poo?
[06:27] <bur[n] er> that's my issue... only reason i have xp on my laptop
[06:27] <bur[n] er> otherwise all 4 of my boxes would be linux
[06:27] <xskoulax> outlook yuck
[06:27] <bur[n] er> xskoulax: tell me about it :\
[06:27] <Cube-ness> nobody needs macromedia authorware
[06:27] <bur[n] er> i have to use it
[06:27] <geppy> Doesn't Macromedia stuff run through WINE?
[06:28] <bur[n] er> geppy: through crossover office i think... but not wine iirc
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> whats wine?
[06:28] <bur[n] er> wine is not an emulator
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> (the flash plugin works, but not the authorware plugin)
[06:28] <GotD0t> wine is not an emulator
[06:28] <GotD0t> heh
[06:28] <bur[n] er> heh :)
[06:28] <Cube-ness> schools that force people into any specific os shoul dbe ignored.. hehe
[06:28] <GotD0t> beat ya that time
[06:28] <bur[n] er> whoa... gettin scary now
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> k...
[06:28] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: wine acts like a translator for windows programs
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> so by definition, wine is everything that cannot be defined as an emulator
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> ah
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> is wine free?
[06:28] <xskoulax> allowing some to run on linux boxes
[06:29] <Gmail> lifeless: i said linux compard to winblows is like choc comparted to poo
[06:29] <nathanieldelaney> as in price free?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> nathanieldelaney: wine starcraft.exe and it works
[06:29] <nathanieldelaney> lol
[06:29] <bur[n] er> nathanieldelaney: wine is free... crossover office... (commercial version) is not but it runs more stuff
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> nathanieldelaney: yes
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> i have run both
[06:29] <bur[n] er> and "cedega" (formerly WineX) is not free either (commercial for gaming)
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> and the commercial product is far superior
[06:29] <bur[n] er> definately
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> i have my Macromedia MX
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> and Office 2003
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> installed on it
[06:30] <bur[n] er> wine will run like 'sol.exe' (solitaire) but it has issues with say quickbooks
[06:30] <nathanieldelaney> on wine?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:30] <nathanieldelaney> oh
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> crossover
[06:30] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: any luck with outlook 2003?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> use it at work
[06:30] <bur[n] er> everything work?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> seems to
[06:30] <geppy> Cedega works well with some things, but it's absolute crap with the rest (I spend almost all of my time in #Cedega... argh, that's  a frustrating channel).  =)
[06:30] <geppy> Why would anyone, anywhere, ever want to run outlook?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> geppy: my sentiments
[06:30] <bur[n] er> could i forward an outlook calendar event to you and see if it works?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> or sediments
[06:31] <nathanieldelaney> seriously
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> exacty
[06:31] <geppy> hahaha
[06:31] <bur[n] er> it's the one reason i keep windows
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i have windows on another box
[06:31] <bur[n] er> geppy: see above :\
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> for video processing
[06:31] <geppy> Do you enjoy virii?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> win2k
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> who, me?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> never get them
[06:31] <bur[n] er> geppy: virii can come on any os... and a machine is only as secure as its admin
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i keep US DOD grade Norton AV on it
[06:31] <geppy> wtf
[06:31] <geppy> Outlook can't be secured.
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> and do not...DO not Surf the web with it
[06:31] <geppy> Period.
[06:32] <geppy> hahaha
[06:32] <Cube-ness> did that line just say "blah blah blahbity blah blah"?
[06:32] <bur[n] er> no?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> geppy...
[06:32] <bur[n] er> i've NEVER had a windows virus
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:32] <bur[n] er> i use it day in and day out
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: you surf safely
[06:32] <bur[n] er> so quit spoutin FUD... even if it's against the bad guys ;)
[06:32] <geppy> hahaha
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> I don't give a flying frig about viruses
[06:32] <Cube-ness> "blah blah secure as admin bla blah"
[06:32] <nathanieldelaney> ive had windows browser hijacked, but never a virus
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> using windows = pain
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's terribly inflexible.
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: if you know what you are doing, then any OS can be secured...
[06:32] <geppy> I highly doubt that any Windows user in existence has never had a virus.
[06:32] <bur[n] er> using windows w/firefox == ok ;)
[06:33] <geppy> As in, I'm 100% sure that that's not sure.
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the story
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> ive never had a virus
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: and Gimp
[06:33] <geppy> Outlook is not an OS,.
[06:33] <bur[n] er> and openoffice
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> my dad did when I was 15ish
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> OUTLOOK SUCKS
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> which was 4 years ago
[06:33] <x43> windows always breaks though.  reinstall every 1-2 months.  something just stops working like its supposed to
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> granularity of mbox format is far superior
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> not is you use spywareSD
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> x43: yes
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: new outlook is not so bad
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> some open source guru had compassion on windows users
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: outlook 2000 and below is a terrible travesty
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: yea, i have to use it too
[06:34] <bur[n] er> new outlook has great spam filtering
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: er, no it doens't
[06:34] <bur[n] er> no?
[06:34] <bur[n] er> works well for me
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> i use SpamBayes
[06:34] <Cube-ness> the thing is.. most people that make a$$es of themselves defending MS Windows are really just in love with an app or two, and likely spend 95% of their computing time in those apps.. so its the apps they like
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> make it even better
[06:34] <bur[n] er> hrm... i dont' get that much spam ;)
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> Cube-ness: true
[06:35] <Cube-ness> not 'the plethora of apps'.. just 'a couple key apps'
[06:35] <GotD0t> realyl?
[06:35] <GotD0t> i heard the wireless networking utility was utter crap
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> like Macromedia Dreamweaver
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> got to have that
[06:35] <bur[n] er> and windows' firefox openoffice, gaim, gimp, and xchat ;)
[06:35] <geppy> XP's net connect in the systray is nice.
[06:35] <GotD0t> as in... it keeps dropping the connection
[06:35] <geppy> That's all that I really like about Windows.
[06:35] <Cube-ness> i wouldnt use dreamweaver. hehe..
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> geppy, you mean like in Mandrake 10.1
[06:36] <GotD0t> but i wouldnt know... as im wired to my router
[06:36] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: depends on the firmware of your router and card
[06:36] <GotD0t> oh
[06:36] <bur[n] er> mine's pretty solid
[06:36] <nathanieldelaney> most people like windows because they learned how to use it already
[06:36] <GotD0t> thats cool
[06:36] <bur[n] er> back to ubuntu... anyone get gparted to work with it yet?
[06:36] <geppy> adoyretsamon:  Haven't used Mandrake 10.1.  What're you referring to?
[06:36] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: that hits it right on the head
[06:36] <bur[n] er> by using libgcc1 1.4 from experimental?
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> the tray icon
[06:36] <nathanieldelaney> yep
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> for networking
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> works great
[06:37] <nathanieldelaney> if it werent for the huge market share, windows would be in the garbage can
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> geppy, someone called me a distro tester just today
[06:37] <bur[n] er> mandrake based on kde or gnome?
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> kde
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> but gnome is there too
[06:37] <nathanieldelaney> why did the first mass distributed os have to be Quick and Dirty OS?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> i like kde's lil networking applet
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> nathanieldelaney, lol
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, yea that had another name
[06:38] <geppy> adoyretsamon:  heh
[06:39] <nathanieldelaney> is that a joke name?
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> before kde integrated it
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> no
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> thinking
[06:39] <bur[n] er> knemo ;)
[06:39] <nathanieldelaney> I heard it was actually called that first, because they had to slop it together for an ibm deadline or soemthing
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i saw it on kde-apps, if that's what you're talking about
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> knemo
[06:39] <xskoulax> i like ubuntu's wireless, has my dlink dwl-650G working :D, took me a while to sort it out but i think thats more to do with me being a little dense;)
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> works nice
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i wish ubuntu would load my ipw2100 driver the right way
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> xskoulax: wireless is not all it's  cracked up to be...esp on winders
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i always have to rmmod it and modprobe it to make it work
[06:39] <bur[n] er> anyone else have this issue on a centrino?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> it's happened with with every linux distro i've tried
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> wish i had a centrino to worry about
[06:39] <Gmail> itjustworks.tm is going to boght for ubuntu if i raise enuff money
[06:39] <bur[n] er> and even when i compiled the ipw2100.sf.net project by hand
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:39] <GotD0t> i like my wired connection... never fails
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: lol
[06:40] <GotD0t> only configuration required is my IP and im solid
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> i like scrolling down my Synaptic to find packages to install...
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: mine's DHCP...
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> no config there
[06:40] <xskoulax> GotD0t: i like wired too, but its annoying to have wires all around when its not needed
[06:41] <xskoulax> and besides my laptop sits 5 feet from the wireless router
[06:41] <xskoulax> so connection is very good
[06:41] <GotD0t> well my router and cable modem are hooked up in my room... so having a wireless connection would be pointless
[06:41] <GotD0t> considering i use a desktop
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: mine too
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> desktop
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> =good
[06:41] <xskoulax> well yes wireless desktop is a concept that annoys me somewhat
[06:42] <bur[n] er> referring to topic... hoary is being merged... does that mean packages will show up in the ubuntu repository?  or is it a special seperate repo?
[06:42] <GotD0t> I could use DHCP, but i like always knowing which one which computer is assigned
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: i set my IPs per MAC in the router table
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> so they always get the same
[06:42] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> using wrt54g hacked
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> and my wifi cards are set in there too
[06:43] <GotD0t> thats cool
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> yea... but of course the MACs could be sniffed
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> ... but makes me feel more secure
[06:44] <GotD0t> heh
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> or at least in control
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> WEP not enough for you?
[06:45] <GotD0t> haha
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> WEP can be hacked too
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> if anyone breaks into my wireless network, they deserve all the shitty 512k access they can get
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> esp since I'm on the 10th floor
[06:45] <geppy> hahaha
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> just setup a card to snarf the AP and you become the router/AP
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> grab the encrypted packets... and keys... and boom
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> WEP means crap
[06:46] <psyklops> ach! mein boxen belongen zu de hakencrakers
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> oh noes
[06:46] <psyklops> hey guys
[06:46] <GotD0t> haha
[06:46] <GotD0t> hows it going pysk
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> my megahutrz have been stoeled
[06:46] <GotD0t> oh no
[06:46] <psyklops> uh, I just ran chkrootkit and got some bad signs, but I can't be sure
[06:46] <GotD0t> what hurts?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yea?
[06:47] <psyklops> it reports some hidden processors and a "possible LKM trojan"
[06:47] <Pizbit> psyklops: rkhunter too?
[06:47] <psyklops> processES
[06:47] <psyklops> nope... couldn't get rkhunter
[06:47] <Pizbit> psyklops: Ahh, there's some debian related stuff in there, google I did ti ages back
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> and the LKM ... i see that too
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> google it
[06:48] <thoreauputic> psyklops: chkrootkit has been known to report false positives (understatement)
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:48] <psyklops> I know...
[06:48] <psyklops> thats why I'm not sure
[06:48] <GotD0t> what is chkrootkit?
[06:48] <psyklops> I started getting suspicious earlier today though
[06:48] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: That must be why I've heard people say to try rkhunter too
[06:48] <psyklops> my processor was pegged at full usage at boot
[06:48] <Pizbit> o_O
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> ouchy...
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> sounds like a windows machine...
[06:48] <psyklops> it's stopped now though
[06:48] <GotD0t> haha
[06:49] <bur[n] er> wrt54g hacked????
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:49] <bur[n] er> different firmware?
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> let me get URL
[06:50] <ficusplanet> Is there anyway I can remove the About Ubuntu... and Help options from the menu?
[06:50] <geppy> What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> actually... nevermind... i have a wgr614 :\
[06:50] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Right-click + "Remove from Panel"
[06:50] <bur[n] er> gaim plugins?
[06:50] <GotD0t> question... whats the point of having the ability to look at digi photos on an MP3 player?
[06:50] <ficusplanet> geppy, You can't right click on the menu items I mentioned, unfortunately.
[06:50] <bur[n] er> geppy: you want one that isn't already there?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: selling point?
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet:   You sure?  It works for me.
[06:51] <Xip> I'm unable to right click on those two either
[06:51] <x43> i can't seem to get my printer to work
[06:51] <ficusplanet> One the Applications menu?
[06:51] <geppy> bur[n] er:  Erm, yeah.  Guifications, GAIM-XMMS-Remote, SmartEar...
[06:51] <ficusplanet> *On
[06:51] <GotD0t> bur[n] er no, i mean... what use would someone have... i mean who looks at pictures while listening to music... usually when im listening to my mp3 player im doing something other than staring at the player
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet: oh
[06:51] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: why do you want to remove them, just out of interest?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er:
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> Firmware Version: Satori-4.0 v2.07.1.7sv
[06:51] <x43> i downloaded a PPD file driver for me lexmark all in one printer and no output to printer
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet:  hold on
[06:52] <ficusplanet> thoreauputic, Just to clean up the menu a bit.  I never use them.
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: ah, OK I see
[06:52] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: think it'd work on a wgr614?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> wouldn't  try it
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> they should have one for that model too
[06:53] <ficusplanet> If nothing else, I'd like to figure out how to change the icon of the About Ubuntu... because it is uglyifying my new Nuvola icons.
[06:53] <Pizbit> Yeah, you can't right-click on the primary menu
[06:53] <Pizbit> Only the sub-menus
[06:53] <geppy> ficusplanet:  I can't remember where, hold on a bit longer.
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: well, maybe not...as it's a netgear
[06:53] <bur[n] er> yeah... i dunno
[06:53] <bur[n] er> i'm kinda weary to test it
[06:54] <Drel> What's the easiest way to install the flash plugin for firefox under Ubuntu? Is there a way to install it via apt-get?
[06:54] <bur[n] er> i want cool port mapping though... where i can have different internal ports to externals
[06:54] <GotD0t> how do you add a page counter to the top of each page in OO.org?
[06:54] <psyklops> rkhunter says I'm all clear
[06:54] <bur[n] er> doesn't ubuntu have .10 again?  or is it still reverted to .9.3?
[06:54] <geppy> Drel: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> geppy: thanks
[06:55] <Drel> geppy: Aha! Thanks. :)
[06:55] <geppy> ficusplanet:  It's somewhere in your .stuff, I think... I don'
[06:55] <geppy> t
[06:55] <geppy> know, I'm used to the RedHat setup, which is apparently different.
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> s/different/broken/
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> *cough*(
[06:56] <geppy> hahaha
[06:56] <geppy> Yeah, that's why I switched.  =)
[06:56] <geppy> Tons and tons of wasted time building RPMs for an apt repository, too.
[06:56] <Gmail> lol
[06:56] <Gmail> ^____________________________________________________________________________^
[06:57] <punkass> can anyone recommend a gui interface to wvdial...or for using a dialup modem?
[06:57] <geppy> What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?
[06:57] <ficusplanet> punkass, gnome-ppp or gnome-system-tools
[06:58] <punkass> well the build it gnome one..just doesnt seem to work
[06:58] <punkass> ill try gnome-ppp thanks
[06:58] <lifeless> punkass: gnome syste tools
[06:58] <Gmail> mirror.isp.net.au is emty
[06:58] <Gmail> not down
[06:59] <Gmail> browse it
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> empty =~ down
[06:59] <GotD0t> gmail: whatever happened to your repository?
[06:59] <Gmail> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/m/
[06:59] <Gmail> GotD0t: people want it?
[06:59] <GotD0t> i was joking
[06:59] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:00] <geppy> When is GAIM 1.02 coming out for Ubuntu?
[07:00] <Gmail> i guess most people will swap to hoary
[07:00] <GotD0t> good question
[07:00] <Gmail> geppy in hoary
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> geppy, do you feel ignored?
[07:00] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  heh... =)
[07:00] <Gmail> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/m/manpages/
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: wait for a few days
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> then ask that question again
[07:00] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  haha... Alright.
[07:00] <geppy> In the meantime... Does anyone know how to install a GAIM plugin?  ;)
[07:01] <ficusplanet> geppy, from source?
[07:01] <GotD0t> check their site... they should have info bout it
[07:01] <stuNNed> is there large repo's for ubuntu?
[07:01] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, Yes.  12,000 pieces of software, roughly.
[07:01] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Alright.  Now, how do you do it without breaking Ubuntu?  :)
[07:02] <stuNNed> ficusplanet: thanks, is there a place on the web i can browse?
[07:02] <geppy> GotD0t:  I'm just rephrasing my question, "What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?"
[07:02] <punkass> ficusplanet: would it be better for me to use debians gnome=pp or build it from source?
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> stuNNed: just load up synaptic
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> and search the list
[07:02] <geppy> punkass:  debian's
[07:02] <stuNNed> nomasteryoda: whoa, ok
[07:02] <punkass> k
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> easy
[07:02] <ficusplanet> geppy, AFAIK, you have to rebuild gaim from source to build plugins becauce the headers don't seem to come with the Ubuntu packages.
[07:03] <geppy> ficusplanet:  They don't have a gaim-dev package, or anything cool like that?
[07:03] <ficusplanet> Nope.  I noticed that when I was trying to build nautilus-send-to
[07:03] <geppy> Speaking of which, where's a good place to go to learn how to build a .deb?  Any websites, or manpages?
[07:04] <ficusplanet> The debian site has some decent documentation on it.
[07:04] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Thanks.
[07:04] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Wait, nautilus-send-to is functional, now?
[07:04] <geppy> =D
[07:04] <ficusplanet> If you have the gaim-plugin, yes.  It's pretty nice.
[07:04] <geppy> heh, cool
[07:05] <ficusplanet> The only problem for me is the lack of AIM file transfers in Gaim.
[07:05] <geppy> ficusplanet:  AIM file transfer works.
[07:05] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Are you updated
[07:05] <ficusplanet> geppy, It has never worked for me.  Could that just be because I'm behind a router?
[07:06] <GotD0t> yea
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> need the port opened up
[07:06] <geppy> ficusplanet:   Possibly.  Are you blocking any ports?  GAIM's AIM file transfer works for me, and I'm behind a standard Lynksys router.
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> like dcc in irc
[07:06] <GotD0t> ficusplanet: you have to enable port forwarding to whatever the port is for file transfers
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:06] <ficusplanet> What port do I need to open?
[07:06] <GotD0t> that is a good question
[07:07] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:07] <ficusplanet> I have forwarding set up for apache.
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/app_port_list.htm#Messaging
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> 0_0
[07:07] <geppy> ficusplanet:  from the AIM site: This may be due to the use of a firewall on your network.  A firewall is a security device on your  network to prevent potentially harmful data from coming in, and to prevent certain other data from going out.   Depending on how a firewall is configured, it may prevent AIM file transfer from working.  There is nothing AIM  can do to get around this, as it is just the feature of the firewall working as it shoul
[07:08] <geppy> Perhaps you can set it up in GAIM somewhere to use a different port.
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/app_port_list.htm#Messaging
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> geppy: look here for the port
[07:08] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  thanks
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> whole list of em
[07:08] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  That says AIM talk, not file transfer; they don't use the same, do they?
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> no, they don't
[07:10] <Gmail> ok i now the problem with mirror.isp.net.au just use ftp with them there ftp > http thing stuffed up
[07:10] <stuNNed> can ubuntu be used as a server?
[07:10] <geppy> stuNNed: Yes.
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes.
[07:11] <x43> ubantu is not communicating with my printer and i installed the drive in the PPD directory it suggested
[07:11] <stuNNed> geppy: HrdwrBoB, thanks
[07:11] <geppy> stuNNed: IF you want a server, though, go with standard Debian.  More stable, more secure.
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: and about 17 years old
[07:11] <stuNNed> geppy ok thanks
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> IMHO.. better off with ubuntu
[07:11] <x43> Debian is so hard to install though without a gui i dont have the experience to build from scratch
[07:11] <izaac> great! i got j2sdk1.3 working!
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> recent releases of software
[07:11] <geppy> x43:  Did you use the Printin GUI?
[07:11] <x43> i sure did
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> with security updates
[07:11] <x43> it prompted me for the location of the PPD file
[07:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Better off with Ubuntu for a desktop, agreed... for a server, different story, methinks.
[07:11] <x43> the only one on the system was .gz'ed
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: to run ANYTHING useful, you need to run at least testing
[07:12] <x43> so i ungz'ed it and selected it and it said it was already installed
[07:12] <geppy> x43: heh, didn't do that to me.  It wouldn't auto-detect your printer?  What kind of printer do you have?
[07:12] <x43> lexmark 1150 suggested drive 1100
[07:12] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Eh, if you're just running Apache and MySQL, though...
[07:12] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know how I can start a movie at a specific position in MPlayer?
[07:12] <geppy> x43:  I don't know what to say, sorry.
[07:13] <geppy> ficusplanet:  man mplayer
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: and a kernel built in the 60s
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> RTFM
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:13] <ficusplanet> geppy, I am RTFMing.  I can't find what I need, though.
[07:13] <x43> considering this opteron machine purchase
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> x43: opterons++
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> we're about to get a dual 242 system
[07:14] <x43> when will i see the benefits of the opteron processor under linux ?
[07:14] <geppy> ficusplanet:  I just said that'd be a good place to look, because I don't know.  Tried google?
[07:14] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  heh
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> x43: after you install it
[07:14] <geppy> How does one sign on as an Ubuntu packager?
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: #ubuntu-devel
[07:14] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> np
[07:15] <x43> so even a opteron 2800 is decent enough speedwise ?  my father has a xp 2800 and its a bit slow.
[07:15] <Cube-ness> slow? uh, slow at what?
[07:15] <x43> well
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> x43: an opteron 2800 is a next generation chip from the XP
[07:15] <Xip> And here I thought I was spoiled with my 1.3 Tbird
[07:16] <x43> its running windows so you never know.. its kind of meant to be slow overall in its desktop functionality
[07:16] <geppy> x43:  I have a 2500+, never had problems with it.  2800+ is anything but slow.
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> it will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster
[07:16] <geppy> x43: heh, yeah
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: it's not fast though
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> I have a 2800+ at home
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet: mplayer
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet: mplayer -chapter <chapter id>
[07:16] <nathanieldelaney> can I get wine with a package install or do I need to install some other way?
[07:16] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Oh?  I run Doom3 fine, as well as compiling whatnot, I've never had trouble with my trusty 2500+.  May not be the _fastest_, but it's _fast_.
[07:17] <Cube-ness> x43, the xp 2800 is not a slow cpu.. either your seeing things, or theres something very wrong
[07:17] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, No chapters.  It's just an avi.
[07:17] <x43> well its not terribly slow
[07:17] <jivera> Is there anything in the Ubuntu live cd that would restrict commercial retail?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:17] <geppy> jivera:  No.
[07:17] <jivera> geppy: Thanks.
[07:17] <Zindar> nathanieldelaney: apt-get install wine if you have universe enabled
[07:17] <x43> but i want to know compared to an opteron 2800 running 64bit linux
[07:18] <geppy> Are there going to be updates between now and hoary?
[07:18] <Cube-ness> x43, unless your talking about compiling things or some such, you shouldnt even be able to really tell much "general" difference
[07:18] <geppy> Or are updates going to be done in bunches?
[07:19] <x43> i see so perhaps a standard mobile xp would be more cost efficient for my needs
[07:19] <geppy> Speaking of which, are there any Linux-capable gaming-worthy laptops out there?
[07:19] <x43> i can clock it at 2.4ghz using cooler
[07:19] <nathanieldelaney> zindar: thanks
[07:19] <Cube-ness> why bother?
[07:20] <Cube-ness> what is it you need all that power for anyway?
[07:20] <Cube-ness> heh
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> hey, power is everything
[07:20] <x43> well the processor is only $107
[07:21] <x43> the motherboard would be $25 used
[07:21] <Cube-ness> "man.. i can type my emails so much faster with this new cpu!"
[07:21] <x43> it supports sata
[07:21] <geppy> hahaha
[07:21] <GotD0t> "oh man, IRC messages show up 1/10th of a millisecond faster"
[07:22] <geppy> hahaha
[07:22] <GotD0t> I'm happy with my 1.8 ghz p4
[07:22] <geppy> Actually, due to monitor refresh rates, the message would show up at the same time.  The sound might be a little faster, though.  =)
[07:22] <x43> i have this complex from when i was a small kid in the 80's.  all my friends had faster computer and modems that i did.  i was always running things that were out of date.
[07:22] <GotD0t> haha
[07:23] <x43> remember when the price difference between 1200 baud modems and 2400 baud modems was greatly significant ?
[07:23] <Cube-ness> yeah. but nowadays, 'out of date' is still plenty for the vast majority of stuff
[07:23] <x43> i worked for a while month as kid just to get that 1200 baud modem
[07:23] <GotD0t> well... i wasnt around for the greater part of the 80's
[07:24] <x43> i guess in my mind i had considered -- what could i do with all that power ?
[07:24] <Cube-ness> x43, hehei had a 300baud modem for my c64.. never had another modem till i got my first x86 with a 33.8k modem
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Nostalgia for ed: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[07:24] <Cube-ness> 33.6..or whatever
[07:24] <geppy> I think I'm off to bed.
[07:24] <Pizbit> Cube-ness: You must have been blown away:)
[07:25] <x43> i was a bad boy in the 80's i had got into a ti994a user group and met up with this guy who had introduced me into to the dark side of the 80's computer generation.
[07:25] <GotD0t> haha
[07:25] <Cube-ness> Pizbit, hehe. yeah.. modem was great.  but the os sucked.  seemed the computer (p133) was no faster than my 7mhz amiga 500
[07:25] <GotD0t> oh, i was a bad boy in the 80's too... i was flinging gerber at my older siblings
[07:26] <x43> hehe
[07:26] <nathanieldelaney> lol
[07:26] <GotD0t> i miss the good old days
[07:26] <Cube-ness> in my head i was thinking "hmmm...7mhz, in amiga world, 133mhz must be like WOW!"
[07:26] <nathanieldelaney> i was a bad boy in the 80's.  I threw toy trucks at my brother
[07:26] <GotD0t> i learned how to use a computer on an apple II-e i believe
[07:27] <x43> yeah when i was in elementary school i got permission to skip recess and use the computer room with the apple 2e's
[07:27] <|progenic|> i'm starting from 386dx4
[07:27] <x43> every single day
[07:27] <Cube-ness> yeah.. me too
[07:27] <GotD0t> haha... and my little sister learned on a 1.1 ghz celeron
[07:27] <deFrysk> zx spectrum
[07:27] <x43> i'm mentally challenged too
[07:28] <|progenic|> at that time i still use windows 3.1
[07:28] <GotD0t> oh... we had the II-e in our garage
[07:28] <deFrysk> with data recorder
[07:28] <x43> yes i remember the model number of my ti cassette record rq2309a i'm now what -- 31 about to turn 32 and i still remember that ?
[07:28] <Cube-ness> my first computer was an apple IIc
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> geppy:
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> found it
[07:29] <Cube-ness> promplty got rid of it and bought a sweet c64 setup
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  :)
[07:29] <GotD0t> ok... well i finished my essay on a movie i didnt watch... so im off to bed
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> mplayer -ss <time in seconds> avi
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda: aw, cool
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> very cool
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  Where did you find it?
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> in the MAN
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> man
[07:29] <geppy> heh
[07:29] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, Awesome.
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> did a /time
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> to find
[07:29] <ficusplanet> I've found another way, too.  EDL files.
[07:29] <x43> i have to stop watching movies even movies you would think would be so benign are causing me trauma
[07:29] <geppy> yeah
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> watching the Code
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> geppy: made me learn something
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> nite then
[07:30] <GotD0t> ok, night all
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> time for a bzflag game
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> mana
[07:30] <xskoulax> Dragon64, motorola mc6809E with a whopping 64K of RAM
[07:31] <x43> nite
[07:31] <xskoulax> gnite
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> glad i joined this group
[07:31] <adoyretsamoneh> and have gotten to know ubuntu
[07:31] <adoyretsamoneh> =)
[07:32] <x43> i think ubuntu was great promise for it
[07:32] <x43> amazingly it fits on 1 cd heh
[07:33] <GotD0t> i love it... i have very little work for school when im up all night due to insomnia... but as soon as it goes away i have to stay up till at least 1:30 doing work
[07:34] <geppy> haha
[07:34] <GotD0t> majorly sucks
[07:34] <spikeb> cool, gnoppix warty
[07:34] <GotD0t> ok, im gone for real
[07:34] <x43> i cannot go to school it would be too much for me
[07:34] <anarchiskas> Hello, I've intalled Ubuntu and there is always a black X on my screen... How could I solve it?
[07:34] <xskoulax> school was so much work
[07:35] <geppy> anarchiskas:  Can you explain in more detail?  Perhaps provide screenshots?
[07:35] <x43> i lack the math and logic skills to program so it seems i'm doomed to be a computer end user for life
[07:35] <geppy> hahaha
[07:35] <anarchiskas> Geppy... I'll try to explain better... because sometimes the black X disapear...
[07:35] <Cube-ness> you dont need math skills to code
[07:36] <GotD0t> well x43... im not really doing very high level schooling
[07:36] <x43> ok here is the next thing that comes to mind -- what could i possibly create that hasn't already been created ?
[07:36] <anarchiskas> Well, it? like a X mouse cursor, it's exactely at the screen center...
[07:36] <anarchiskas> I have a touch pad
[07:36] <geppy> x43:  integration?  evolution-GAIM, for instance
[07:36] <GotD0t> im only in my first year at a community college
[07:36] <skyrider> hi guys
[07:36] <GotD0t> or my junior year in highschool
[07:37] <GotD0t> choose your label
[07:37] <GotD0t> both fit me
[07:37] <skyrider> how can I register in the new wiki?
[07:37] <Cube-ness> x43, you start solving your own problems..
[07:37] <ficusplanet> geppy, evolution/gaim integration is already done.
[07:37] <skyrider> There is no 'Register' button
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Not properly.
[07:37] <GotD0t> ok, dont talk to me
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  It's not really worth much.
[07:37] <GotD0t> haha. i need to sleep
[07:37] <GotD0t> bye
[07:37] <x43> nite
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  That _is_ something I want to contribute to.
[07:37] <geppy> g'night
[07:37] <mdz> anarchiskas: it's a hardware cursor problem; you can avoid it by disabling the hardware cursor in XF86Config-4
[07:38] <ficusplanet> geppy, check out galago
[07:38] <geppy> ficusplanet:  hahaha.... http://www.snowcrest.net/goehring/a2/primates/galago.htm
[07:38] <anarchiskas> Thanks a lot mdz!!! I'll try righ now
[07:38] <Cube-ness> x43, i never wanted to be a programmer.. but i was lazy, and wanted the computer to do some things it didnt do.  solved a couple problems.  a couple years later i make my living doing programming
[07:38] <geppy> I don't think that's what you want me to see.
[07:38] <spikeb> does the new gnoppix/ubuntu merged livecd still have an installer?
[07:38] <x43> did you have mentors or friends ?
[07:39] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Oh, thanks!  This is really cool.  =)
[07:41] <skyrider> Anybody knows how can I register in the new wiki (zWiki) on ubuntu site?
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> skyrider: it's linked on the wiki...
[07:43] <skyrider> HrdwrBoB: where? I don't see it. Can you give me URL?
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[07:44] <anarchiskas> last question, I'd like to install kernel-686, should I do something more than download it from the synaptics?
[07:44] <skyrider> HrdwrBoB: but that is the old wiki
[07:45] <anarchiskas> is there an automatic way to reconfigure the kernel?
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> I know not
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> anarchiskas: I *think* it should automatically install
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> and set itself up
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> so install, reboot
[07:45] <spikeb> anarchiskas, if you download the kernel image and kernel modules, it'll do everything by itself
[07:46] <Drel> *wave* thanks for the help geppy
[07:46] <geppy> apt-get source kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info>
[07:46] <geppy> Drel:  No problem.  :)
[07:46] <geppy> I'm off to bed.  g'night, all
[07:47] <stuNNed> night geppy, thanks
[07:47] <anarchiskas> Thank you very much guys... Now I need to go and try the changes!!! see you and nite!
[07:48] <spikeb> i am going to try out this new release candidate of gnoppix-warty
[07:49] <x43> hoary not ready until december ?
[07:50] <ficusplanet> x43, Hoary is out in march
[07:50] <nathanieldelaney> how will hoary be different?
[07:51] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, gnome 2.10, possible new installer, graphical bootup, new kernel....
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> err... what will be the improvements?
[07:51] <spikeb> that's all i can think of
[07:51] <ficusplanet> GNOME 2.10, usplash, new package manager, mono(?)
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> cool
[07:51] <spikeb> new package manager?
[07:51] <spikeb> what's this?
[07:51] <ficusplanet> It's on the hoary wiki page.  Apparently jdub and ross burton are working on it.
[07:52] <spikeb> ahh
[07:52] <spikeb> something better than synaptic
[07:52] <spikeb> heh
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic is .. non optimal
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> it works, but the UI is not simple
[07:53] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, yeah
[07:53] <spikeb> once you know how to use it, it's alright, but it's not exactly intuitive
[07:53] <spikeb> heh
[07:53] <ficusplanet> Yeah, anything on that page could get pushed though.  They have a lot on there for only six months.
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> ficusplanet: welcome to rapid developmen
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> t
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> most of it will likely happen
[07:54] <ficusplanet> That would rock.
[07:54] <spikeb> i'm actually more interested in seeing how the GNOME dev team plans on going from 2.x to 3.0 in six months
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> there is quite a lot of people working on it
[07:54] <spikeb> i have a feeling they won't ;)
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> spikeb: that's just a versioning thing
[07:55] <ficusplanet> spikeb, the next version is 2.10.  And if time is needed when they go to 3.0 the schedule will just be longer.
[07:55] <spikeb> yeah
[07:55] <Android16> hello
[07:55] <jdub> actually, there are no plans at all for a GNOME 3.x any time soon
[07:56] <spikeb> jdub, good. 2.x isn't finished.
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> out of interest, what's happening wrt CD burning in gnome
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> is nautilus-cd-burner going to get lots of work
[07:56] <nathanieldelaney> hey.  if I have a game installed, can I make it show up on the applications menu?
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> or will there be another app
[07:56] <jdub> spikeb: there have been finished 2.x releases 5 times now...
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> because currently.. it's a huge hole
[07:56] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, it might just do it automatically
[07:56] <x43> yeah i burned a cd and the long filenames were cut off
[07:56] <spikeb> jdub, I mean as a series.
[07:57] <nathanieldelaney> it hasn't
[07:57] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, hmm
[07:57] <nathanieldelaney> is there a fairly simple way to do that?
[08:01] <spikeb> i do not know.
[08:01] <geppy> x43: enable whatchamacallit
[08:01] <geppy> it's somewhere in the config
[08:02] <geppy> "long names" somewhere, use K3B, or xcdroast
[08:09] <angad> hey guys
[08:09] <spikeb> howdy
[08:09] <angad> how do i share a printer with windows computers?  i have samba installed
[08:10] <atariboy`> how does one get gtksharp in ubuntu?
[08:10] <angad> sudo apt-get install gtksharp
[08:11] <spikeb> i doubt gtksharp is available in any of the standard repos.
[08:11] <angad> oh ok
[08:11] <spikeb> as far as printer sharing goes, i am not sure.
[08:11] <angad> ok thanks anyway spikeb
[08:12] <spikeb> i need to figure out how to set up print sharing from a windows computer to my ubuntu computer, myself.
[08:12] <spikeb> heh
[08:12] <angad> haha
[08:13] <atariboy`> hmm. I'm getting python errors from the wiki search
[08:15] <sparkes> atariboy`, the wiki is in a state of flux at the moment
[08:15] <atariboy`> ah okay
[08:15] <whiprush> the new wiki seems to be working
[08:15] <spikeb> the home site could use a news section
[08:15] <spikeb> heh
[08:19] <stuNNed> is ubuntu kernel patched with DSDT for laptops?
[08:20] <bob2> spikeb: gtk-sharp is indeed in universe.
[08:20] <|trey|> stuNNed, if you know what would be needed.... just look in /boot/config-<uname -r>
[08:20] <spikeb> wow
[08:20] <bob2> stuNNed: it doesn't yet have the latest acpi patches.
[08:21] <stuNNed> bob2: ok thanks, thanks |trey|
[08:21] <spikeb> woohoo
[08:21] <spikeb> print sharing works
[08:21] <spikeb> heh
[08:22] <stuNNed> ubuntu still uses xfree86 and not xorg?
[08:22] <angad> spikeb
[08:22] <angad> how did you do it?
[08:22] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> hoary will use Xorg
[08:23] <stuNNed> hoary is unstable ubuntu?
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is the next release
[08:23] <stuNNed> ok thanks HrdwrBoB
[08:24] <spikeb> angad, i turned on print sharing from windows (not my printer, it's my wife) and then setup SMB printing on ubuntu
[08:24] <angad> spikeb, how do you set it up on ubuntu?  i already have my other computers that run windows set up for print sharing
[08:24] <stuNNed> bob2: would you happen to know if hoary's kernel will havce DSDT support?
[08:25] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: i've got a .deb with the custom DSDT loader on my FTP site if you want it
[08:25] <bob2> stuNNed: mad phat laptop support is a design goal, yes
[08:25] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: sure!
[08:26] <spikeb> angad, in the computer menu > system configuration > printing
[08:26] <angad> yeah
[08:26] <spikeb> double click new printer, and choose network printer, then smb
[08:26] <angad> im there now
[08:26] <angad> ok thanks
[08:27] <angad> ehsy hord in yhr hody snf ptinyrt pstyz/
[08:27] <angad> what goes in the host/printer part?
[08:27] <spikeb> whatever the smb name and printer share names are
[08:27] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/random_cruft/linux-image-2.6.8.1-99-386_2.6.8.1-99unofficialubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:27] <angad> ok thanks
[08:27] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: much appreciated
[08:28] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: you can also get the unofficialubuntu3 version if you want the patches discussed on: http://cipherfunk.org/diary/archives/monthly/2004-10.html#e2004-10-26T18_44_02.htm
[08:29] <corbob> where do i find the theme files for gnome?
[08:31] <spikeb> i can't wait until the cds ship :)
[08:36] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: thanks
[08:38] <poO_> any of u guys have firewall installed in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bob2> the default desktop install doesn't have any open ports
[08:39] <poO_> so i don't need to install one then?
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> poO_: if you want to, you can isntall firestarter
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> install
[08:39] <bob2> poO_: what do you want it to do?
[08:39] <poO_> well just browse chat mail and such
[08:40] <bob2> no, the firewall
[08:40] <poO_> i just use this notebook for school and such
[08:40] <poO_> oh
[08:40] <poO_> i was used to having my notebook a firewall..just wondering if i'll be safe
[08:40] <poO_> just browsing and chatting...and email
[08:40] <bob2> unless you install extra software, there's nothing listening on any ports
[08:40] <poO_> oh ok
[08:41] <poO_> so i should be ok then?
[08:41] <poO_> all i installed was gaim(updated) and 3ddesktop and mplayer
[08:42] <poO_> bob2: how bout if i install bittorrent?
[08:42] <bob2> then the bittorrent client will listen on some ports
[08:43] <poO_> o ok
[08:44] <bob2> I believe you can disable it, at the cost of slowing downloads
[08:45] <x43> is there a command to update gnome menus to integrate programs that have been installed but not added to the menu list ?
[08:45] <spikeb> bah, no installer on the gnoppix-warty livecd
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> bittorrent will be fine.
[08:46] <poO_> ok
[08:46] <bob2> x43: if they don't include desktop files, they won't go on the menu unless you manually add them
[08:46] <bob2> spikeb: yes, that's what the install cd is for
[08:46] <x43> could you tell me how real quick for bob ?
[08:46] <bob2> spikeb: the live cd doesn't contain any packages
[08:46] <bob2> x43: applications:///
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> drag/drop
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> make a launcher
[08:46] <stuNNed> what's the easiest way to update an ubuntu system?
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> etc
[08:46] <spikeb> not fair - the livecd has bootsplash :P
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: start synaptic
[08:46] <bob2> stuNNed: synaptic -> refresh -> upgrade
[08:47] <poO_> stunned: sudo apt-get update
[08:47] <stuNNed> thanks to all
[08:47] <stuNNed> is galeon available?
[08:48] <bob2> no.
[08:48] <stuNNed> ok
[08:52] <thoreauputic> bob2: really? no galeon in Ubuntu?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> bob2: does it conflict with other stuff?
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[08:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: pong
[08:56] <alexeijh> Hi, I'm looking at getting a DIRT-cheap new video card. Will they all work with ubuntu or are some better thatn others?
[08:56] <deFrysk> nvidia rules
[09:01] <Biscuits> hows ati go with ubuntu? can you get acceleration working?
[09:02] <spikeb> works fine here
[09:02] <Biscuits> ok did you use the standard ati drivers they have for linux? at ati's site
[09:03] <spikeb> yes, but i used the ubuntu packages of them.
[09:03] <Biscuits> what packages?
[09:03] <Biscuits> o i get it
[09:03] <spikeb> there's actually a howto written about it, let me find it for you
[09:04] <Biscuits> thanks
[09:04] <spikeb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:05] <spikeb> basically, you install fglrx-driver, restricted-modules-whatever-version, edit XFree86Config-4, and reboot
[09:06] <spikeb> if you have any questions, feel free to ask
[09:07] <vasi> hey folks....i'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to register on the wiki
[09:07] <vasi> what am i missing?
[09:07] <Biscuits> sweet thanks spikeb :D
[09:07] <Treenaks> vasi: click on the log in link in the read bar on the top
[09:07] <spikeb> Biscuits, no problem. :)
[09:08] <Treenaks> vasi: hmm
[09:08] <vasi> there's no option to register there
[09:08] <vasi> just to log in...but if i don't have a login/pass, how do i get one?
[09:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: I'm guessing it didn't build at some point
[09:25] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah, I see
[09:33] <patrick_> I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel
[09:33] <__daniel> good morning
[09:34] <briareus> hell all
[09:34] <patrick_> >defrysk< : I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel
[09:34] <briareus> hello all
[09:34] <Android16> I give up
[09:34] <Android16> sendmail on Ubuntu 2 difficult
[09:35] <patrick_> Plz Help
[09:36] <Treenaks> Android16: sendmail on Ubuntu?
[09:36] <briareus> i thought it was supposed to appear as one cpu
[09:36] <Treenaks> patrick_: does /proc/cpuinfo show 2 CPUs?
[09:36] <xskoulax> Guten Morgen __daniel
[09:36] <xskoulax> hi briareus
[09:36] <briareus> hello xskoulax
[09:37] <briareus> xskoulax, may i ask a question of you? (I mean , er, another one?)
[09:37] <xskoulax> briareus: you can ask but you'd be asking a n00b ;)
[09:37] <Acridien> hello
[09:37] <xskoulax> briareus: go for it i might know
[09:37] <xskoulax> hi Acridien
[09:37] <briareus> well I am curious if they are still giving the free CD offer
[09:38] <xskoulax> briareus: as far as i know
[09:38] <spikeb> i signed up for ten cds :)
[09:38] <briareus> how does one go about getting one?
[09:38] <xskoulax> shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:38] <xskoulax> i beleive
[09:38] <Acridien> can someone tell me how to handle mass usb storage with ubuntu
[09:38] <Acridien> it won't load any driver for it
[09:39] <spikeb> briareus, http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[09:39] <Cube-ness> Acridien, all my usb storage stuff 'just works'
[09:39] <spikeb> i dont even have usb storage
[09:39] <spikeb> heh
[09:39] <Cube-ness> plug it in, pops up on desktop
[09:39] <briareus> Acridien, have you tailed /var/log/messages to see what it does when you plug it in?
[09:39] <Acridien> briareus: i show you the ouput
[09:39] <__daniel> Acridien: show it to me too
[09:40] <briareus> paste it in here
[09:40] <briareus> it shouldnt be too long
[09:40] <eikke> hija
[09:40] <eikke> any gnoppixwarty users in here?
[09:41] <spikeb> yes.
[09:41] <spikeb> i used it for about five minutes earlier.
[09:41] <eikke> got a problem with it (had same thing with 0.8.1)
[09:41] <patrick_> treenaks it shows processor : 1
[09:41] <spikeb> eikke, what is it?
[09:42] <eikke> it boots fine, gnome runs, but then, whenever I start the "Networking" config tool, and configure my network, after that, I cannot start any other app :(
[09:42] <spikeb> hmm
[09:42] <eikke> if I dont run the networking tool first, it works fine
[09:42] <spikeb> eikke, can't help ya - my networking worked fine out of the box
[09:42] <eikke> well here too, but need to set SMB stuff :)
[09:42] <spikeb> ahhh
[09:42] <spikeb> yeah i just wanted to see if the livecd had an installer, but it doesnt
[09:43] <spikeb> so i didnt use it very long
[09:43] <eikke> strange thing is: in console, it says "No display can be found" (GTK error)
[09:43] <Acridien> re
[09:43] <eikke> but starting DISPLAY=:0 gaim at console doesnt work either (same error)
[09:43] <Acridien> daniels: i can't paste it to you you re too restrictive with pasting
[09:43] <eikke> I had this on 2 different PC's, so its not related to that I guess (shoulnt be either)
[09:43] <__daniel> __daniel: me?
[09:43] <spikeb> Acridien, use pastebin.com
[09:44] <__daniel> Acridien: erm... me?
[09:44] <eikke> next to that problem: in the networking tool, since 0.8.2, I cant enable SMB support: it says SMB support isnt installed, which is a pitty, really
[09:44] <briareus> ok Acridien now look at /etc/fstab to see if it added any lines for th edevice
[09:45] <Acridien> briareus: none
[09:46] <briareus> ok, i was thinking it might add something, in your messages it didnt seem to add it as a device
[09:46] <Acridien> I got this at startup process error with pciehp and shpchp
[09:46] <Acridien> loading
[09:46] <Acridien> what are them ?
[09:47] <briareus> dunnoi
[09:47] <spikeb> just hotplug doing its thing, i believe
[09:47] <eikke> Acridien: hal problems?
[09:47] <briareus> ok do this: lsmod | grep usb
[09:48] <Treenaks> patrick_: does it also show processor: 0
[09:48] <Treenaks> patrick_: (use "less /proc/cpuinfo" to get more info)
[09:48] <briareus> lsmod is usually a root command, but from what I hear ubuntu does everything sudo
[09:48] <Acridien> eikke: ?
[09:49] <Treenaks> briareus: lsmod is not a root command
[09:49] <briareus> hal = hardware abstraction layer
[09:49] <eikke> Acridien: I read sth about fstab changes, so tought you were having HAL related issues :)
[09:49] <briareus> eikke, his usb mass storage, isnt
[09:49] <Treenaks> briareus: and "sudo" runs stuff as root... it's just that there's no password for the root user.. there IS a root user..
[09:49] <briareus> Treenaks, ah, see i havent even laid eyes on ubuntu yet
[09:50] <Acridien>  lsmod | grep usb
[09:50] <Acridien> usbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd
[09:50] <__daniel> Acridien: weren't you the one, who stopped hotplug on his box? *can't remember*
[09:50] <jdub> # cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.4
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[09:50] <Treenaks> briareus: really, install it :)
[09:50] <Acridien> eikke: what are pciehp and shpchp ?
[09:50] <jdub> 
[09:50] <jdub> ^ :-)
[09:50] <Treenaks> jdub: is it semi-stable-ish now then?
[09:50] <Mithrandir> jdub: you crazzy person. ;)
[09:50] <jdub> not that i recommend upgrading
[09:50] <Treenaks> jdub: or still "Don't upgrade or it might strangle your SO"
[09:50] <bob2> hah
[09:50] <jdub> Treenaks: it upgrades... ;)
[09:50] <spikeb> heh jdub
[09:51] <bob2> a bunch of stuff was still uninstallable, last I checked
[09:51] <jdub> i'm just running it on a runt machine that doesn't actually do anything
[09:51] <spikeb> jdub, what's new in it?
[09:51] <__daniel> jdub: works for me too :-)
[09:51] <Acridien> __daniel: no no but what is the command to refresh hot plug?
[09:51] <jdub> spikeb: no 'feature' stuff
[09:51] <jdub> it's just synced from sid
[09:51] <spikeb> ahh ok
[09:51] <spikeb> that's kind of what i figured
[09:51] <__daniel> Acridien: pciehp is   pci express hotplug
[09:51] <jdub> there are still a bunch of things that need merging
[09:51] <spikeb> they have some nice ubuntu stuff on gnome-look.org :)
[09:51] <briareus> nice, ubuntu is already optimized for pci express?
[09:51] <spikeb> blue splash screens and wallpaper with the logo.
[09:52] <__daniel> Acridien: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart    but that shouldnt be the issue
[09:52] <spikeb> works nice for me (i prefer industrial's colors to human's)
[09:52] <Treenaks> I'll wait with upgrading until xorg is in :)
[09:52] <__daniel> Acridien: i guess you have to add something cool to /etc/fstab
[09:52] <bob2> briareus: "optimised"?
[09:52] <briareus> Acridien, i know a line that works for me, but i dont know if it works in ubuntu or not
[09:52] <briareus> bob2, well, supports it
[09:53] <__daniel> Acridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       0
[09:53] <bob2> briareus: if the kernel does, ubuntu does.
[09:53] <briareus> thats the line i would try Acridien
[09:54] <spikeb> now if only i could find a blue ubuntu gdm theme
[09:54] <briareus> spikeb, just make one
[09:54] <spikeb> i will :)
[09:55] <briareus> hey Despair is here, all we need is Fear and Uncertainty and the gangs all here
[09:55] <loathing> heh
[09:56] <Despair> briareus: The usual third member of that trinity is Doubt.
[09:56] <briareus> oh right, but at the moment Doubt is under the weather, it seems she's been drinking too much
[09:57] <loathing> heh
[10:00] <briareus> val kilmer in tombstone is great
[10:01] <Acridien> __daniel: look at pastebins
[10:01] <Acridien> look at pastebins
[10:01] <briareus> Acridien, did you paste the unique link to it?
[10:01] <Acridien> it's a fresh post
[10:01] <briareus> yeah, but it gives you a url
[10:01] <Acridien> so www.pastebin.com
[10:02] <Acridien> briareus: http://www.pastebin.com/114490
[10:02] <briareus> ok
[10:02] <eikke> hmm
[10:03] <eikke> warty seems to have no MP3 support in totem and rhythmbox either :(
[10:03] <briareus> nothing about a device
[10:03] <jdub> four pages of ubuntu-related artwork on gnome-look.org :-)
[10:03] <spikeb> yup jdub
[10:03] <spikeb> some really nice stuff
[10:03] <mjr> eikke, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <briareus> did you try that fstab line ?
[10:04] <briareus> __daniel Acridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       0
[10:04] <eikke> mjr: if only my mp3 cd player would support ogg...
[10:04] <Acridien> briareus: i will
[10:05] <eikke> then they should include gstreamer-mad on the cd :D
[10:05] <bob2> no
[10:05] <bob2> mp3 is subject to patents that are being enforced
[10:05] <Despair> bob2: only covers recording... at the moment.
[10:06] <Treenaks> Despair: it could change any moment
[10:06] <bob2> Despair: fraunhoffer has shown themselves to be hostile and to change their mind
[10:06] <Despair> bob2: Yeah, kind of figured that was why. Just figured I'd prompt someone else to cover the details. ;)
[10:06] <x43> xmms supports ogg
[10:06] <Treenaks> x43: ithm portable mp3 player
[10:07] <bob2> and gstreamer0.8-mad will enable it in rythmbox
[10:07] <x43> ahh
[10:07] <eikke> i dont need ogg, I just cant get around the use of mp3
[10:07] <briareus> i love ogg
[10:07] <eikke> bob2: its not on gnoppix-warty
[10:07] <eikke> i like ogg too, but unfortunately cant use it
[10:07] <spikeb> ahh yeah
[10:07] <Acridien> briareus: then do I have to refresh something ?
[10:07] <bob2> "gnoppix" has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[10:07] <eikke> bob2: well, its ubuntu on a livecd ;)
[10:07] <bob2> if you mean "ubuntu live cd", then it's not on the install cd, either
[10:08] <spikeb> no it isn't.
[10:08] <briareus> Acridien, well, do you have a /usb or a /mnt/usb dir?
[10:08] <briareus> because that line he gave you mounts it to /usb so if you dont have it you will have to create a /usb
[10:08] <eikke> spikeb: latest release is. Its in front of my nose right now. Check gnoppix.org
[10:08] <briareus> either in / or /mnt/
[10:09] <Acridien> briareus: I just added this dr
[10:09] <Acridien> briareus: now ?
[10:09] <briareus> try to plug in again
[10:09] <briareus> the cd to it
[10:11] <Acridien> briareus: The device is an actionreplay with xbox memory unit that is usb on it
[10:11] <Acridien> briareus: fatx fs but i just want to find the device and dd on it
[10:11] <phin> i got a good quote from a non linux novice about ubuntu!
[10:11] <phin> SkOoBa 420> i don't miss windows at all
[10:11] <phin> :-)
[10:12] <phin> that is all :)
[10:12] <stuNNed> what do i need to install to get mp3's working with rhythmbox?
[10:12] <jdub> that was nice ;)
[10:12] <jdub> stuNNed: gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:12] <stuNNed> jdub, thanks
[10:13] <briareus> Acridien, i dont know
[10:13] <briareus> maybe someone here has mass usb running now and can help you
[10:13] <bob2> your disk will mount automatically when you plug it in...
[10:13] <stuNNed> jdub, what repo is that in?
[10:13] <jdub> universe
[10:14] <stuNNed> jdub, i am very very new to debian methods, this is first time, besides apt for redhat/fedora :)
[10:15] <Treenaks> jdub: do universe packages get reported by popcon as well?
[10:15] <jdub> Treenaks: should do, yeah
[10:15] <jdub> Treenaks: also, see my universe script on u-u
[10:15] <bob2> stuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:15] <netmonk> greets
[10:16] <jdub> $ universe | wc -l
[10:16] <jdub> 75
[10:16] <jdub> ^ heh
[10:16] <netmonk> need some help with gnome desktop
[10:16] <redLAW>  i'm having problems with my gprs conection on ubuntu. i have se t610. when i conect i'm only on net 2.1 min and then kinternet disconect me. In log i received error code 15(last line in log) PLEASE HELP ME
[10:16] <Acridien> briareus: well well tx anyway
[10:17] <stuNNed> bob2, thanks
[10:17] <Treenaks> redLAW: cable or bluetooth?
[10:18] <redLAW> cable
[10:18] <redLAW> usb cable
[10:18] <Treenaks> does it work in those minutes?
[10:19] <redLAW> yes normaly mozilla, xchat everything
[10:21] <barry_za> Quick question: Is it possible to install .rpm packages under Ubuntu / Debian? Or convert them to .deb packages so they can be installed?
[10:21] <danielshower> barry_za: use  alien  for converting
[10:21] <danielshower> barry_za: but most stuff should be packaged in ubuntu/debian already
[10:22] <netmonk> does anyone know if acpi works? things like stand-by and suspend?
[10:23] <bob2> netmonk: it depends on your hardware
[10:23] <bob2> hoary will have massive improvements in that regard
[10:24] <netmonk> laptop toshiba a40-261, it's last year model, I think
[10:24] <anders> hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a computer with an asuscom isdn card. I should use an hisax module or what?
[10:25] <barry_za> Ok, I'll tell you where I'm going with it.  The question was asked on the mailing list if it would be possible to host packages not included in Ubuntu for legal / licensing reasons extarnally.
[10:25] <barry_za> That made me think of the PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they're Mandrake based.
[10:26] <barry_za> So I was wondering if it would be easy to get the .rpm's from them and convert them
[10:26] <anders> any isdn gurus here?
[10:26] <Acridien> DO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?
[10:26] <Acridien> DO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?
[10:26] <spikeb> Acridien, yes
[10:27] <Acridien> spikeb: explain
[10:27] <__daniel> Acridien: yes, it's common, but no error - no harm is done at all - it's just cosmetic
[10:27] <spikeb> Acridien, it's just hotplug trying out various modules, and the errors are because you don't have that hardware
[10:27] <spikeb> that's all
[10:27] <__daniel> barry_za: better than just converting would be to bug the authors to switch to another license
[10:27] <Harnak> Does anyone know what X driver needs to be changed to disable write combining.. My ATI Mobility chipset doesn't seem to work right , just after install.
[10:28] <Acridien> spikeb: any heard problem with usb storage device ?
[10:28] <spikeb> Acridien, i dont have any usb storage devices so i cant help with that.
[10:28] <__daniel> Acridien: ls -l /dev/sda*
[10:28] <lhb> barry_za: there a program called alien that can convert packages, AFAIK
[10:29] <__daniel> Acridien: (when you plugged it in)
[10:29] <barry_za> ___daniel: That's the ideal, I know, but realisticly that's never going to happen with all software, and this could be a way of solving the problem in the mean time.
[10:30] <Acridien> __daniel: perhaps action replay is not like other usb device
[10:30] <jdub> barry_za: those things should go in universe or multiverse
[10:30] <__daniel> barry_za: that's not true - while reading the debian weekly news for some years they really got some licences changed already
[10:30] <Acridien> __daniel: no output for that command
[10:31] <__daniel> Acridien: i tried loads of usb storage devices everyone works: WHAT about   ls -l /dev/sda*  when you plugged it in?
[10:31] <StarScream> hi, can some one point me to docs, or explain how to install kde. I know its in the universe but i'm not sure how to use apt to get it
[10:31] <__daniel> StarScream: apt-get install kde  should be ok
[10:31] <stuNNed> you guys get sound working no problems?
[10:31] <StarScream> __daniel: Package kde is not available.
[10:32] <__daniel> Acridien: ok
[10:32] <bob2> StarScream: did you enable universe?
[10:32] <spikeb> what is multiverse?
[10:32] <__daniel> spikeb: non-free stuff
[10:32] <StarScream> bob2: no, see question above ^.... how do i enable it?
[10:32] <spikeb> ahhhh
[10:32] <Acridien> __daniel: no file or repertory of that type
[10:32] <spikeb> __daniel, ok
[10:32] <Acridien> __daniel: directory
[10:32] <bob2> StarScream: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:33] <StarScream> bob2: muchos gracias
[10:33] <Acridien> StarScream: :-)
[10:33] <__daniel> Acridien: what did    lsmod | grep usb    say?
[10:33] <Acridien> acridien@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep usb
[10:33] <Acridien> usbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd
[10:34] <spikeb> shouldn't gstreamer-mad go in multiverse then? technically, it's nonfree (format)
[10:34] <__daniel> Acridien: try   sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[10:34] <bob2> spikeb: the code is Free
[10:34] <__daniel> Acridien: then  tail -f /var/log/syslog   and re-plug your usb thingie
[10:35] <spikeb> bob2, the format isn't
[10:35] <spikeb> heh
[10:35] <bob2> spikeb: the format is patent-encumbered
[10:36] <Treenaks> when does this patent "time out" btw?
[10:37] <gruberman_> not ONE radiostation in the dallas area supports linux for their streaming :/
[10:37] <spikeb> probably about the time nobody uses mp3 anymore.
[10:37] <Treenaks> spikeb: even more
[10:37] <Acridien> __daniel: ouputs Oct 28 10:37:10 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 4
[10:37] <Acridien> Oct 28 10:37:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5
[10:37] <spikeb> Treenaks, but are they enforced?
[10:38] <Treenaks> spikeb: ogg is better anyway
[10:38] <spikeb> i agree
[10:38] <__daniel> Acridien: what about    ls /dev/sda*  ?
[10:38] <spikeb> the only use i have for mp3 and aac is for downloaded tunes
[10:38] <Harnak> Do you have to do anything special to get the kernel to recognize a USB mouse?
[10:38] <spikeb> for my personal collection, everything can be ogg or flac
[10:38] <Treenaks> Harnak: no
[10:39] <Harnak> What /dev device does it usually use?
[10:39] <Acridien> __daniel: nothing except no file or dr of that type.....something may be wrong with action replay and usb protocol i don't know
[10:39] <__daniel> Acridien: damn :-/
[10:40] <Treenaks> Harnak: /dev/input/mice, but that should be autodetected by X, why?
[10:40] <Acridien> __daniel: I will try my printer to see if the problem is wider
[10:40] <Harnak> mine isn't detected by X .. so I'm going to see if the device exists.
[10:40] <Treenaks> Harnak: check /var/log/kern.log -- you might ahve a problem with interrupts/etc
[10:41] <Harnak> X says it's looking for the mouse on /dev/mouse but /dev/mouse doesn't exist.. should I just ln /dev/input/mice to /dev/mouse?
[10:41] <Harnak> ok.. checking the kern.log
[10:41] <genars> hi
[10:41] <Pizbit> Harnak: Yep, can't hurt to try anyway
[10:41] <StarScream> ok, i managed to enable universe, but apt-get install kde gives : The following packages have unmet dependancies:
[10:41] <StarScream> then lists deps
[10:42] <stuNNed> why isn't galeon supported?
[10:42] <StarScream> but says they aren't gonig to be installed
[10:42] <Acridien> __daniel: printer is handled
[10:42] <Harnak> Treenaks: the kern.log sees the mouse and I tried unplugging it.. there were messages saying it was successful
[10:42] <Treenaks> Harnak: hm.. okk
[10:42] <bob2> stuNNed: because we already have two web browesers in supported
[10:43] <stuNNed> bob2, ok thanks, no bash-completion either?
[10:43] <bob2> stuNNed: nano /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:43] <Harnak> changing it in XF86Config to point to /dev/input/mice worked.. thanks!
[10:43] <spikeb> cool Harnak :)
[10:44] <Nermal> I'm liking the ubuntu live cd
[10:44] <spikeb> aye
[10:44] <Nermal> its pwetty 8)
[10:44] <spikeb> Nermal,  yes it is.
[10:44] <Treenaks> Harnak: weird, that should have been detected automatically
[10:44] <spikeb> too bad the install cd isnt so pretty :P
[10:44] <Nermal> ooooooh
[10:45] <Nermal> I use gentoo atm on my main machine, for up to date packages and other reasons.... but.. my laptop cooks when I emerge -u world ..
[10:45] <Harnak> Treenaks: yeah.. my ATI is a mobility card (Radeon 9700) so I'm wondering if that threw a wrench into it somehow
[10:45] <Nermal> maybe I should plonk ubuntu on my lappy
[10:45] <spikeb> Nermal, yeah not a bad idea
[10:45] <Nermal> does the install cd support pcmcia cdrom drives?
[10:45] <spikeb> that way you don't have to burn your legs
[10:45] <Nermal> aye.. I do want children at some point..
[10:46] <Harnak> Er I mean 9600
[10:46] <lhb> http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=161&slide=17
[10:46] <spikeb> i want to get a bootsplash like the livecd has working on my install.
[10:46] <lhb> what's wrong with that screenshot of gnoppix?
[10:46] <Nermal> oops.. just went to ubuntu.org  took me a while to realise wtf was going on..
[10:47] <spikeb> lhb, aside from the horrible icons, nothing.
[10:47] <topyli> thp: the "about" menu entry is cool. i don't know what's wrong :)
[10:48] <lhb> is that based on ubuntu?
[10:48] <spikeb> yeah
[10:48] <spikeb> gnoppix is now ubuntu livecd
[10:48] <topyli> they might at least do some branding
[10:48] <spikeb> topyli, they do now
[10:48] <spikeb> new release
[10:48] <Nermal> does ubuntu have its own package manager or just apt ?
[10:48] <spikeb> Nermal, apt + synaptic
[10:48] <|trey|> spikeb, thats cool  :)
[10:48] <lhb> crazy
[10:48] <Nermal> ah
[10:49] <spikeb> Nermal, next release might have a new front end for apt though
[10:49] <topyli> spikeb: ok, so their existence is justified :)
[10:49] <bob2> spikeb: hoary will have something better than bootsplash
[10:50] <Acridien> spikeb: aptitude ?
[10:50] <spikeb> bob2, i read that - userspace splash
[10:50] <bob2> spikeb: what more do you want in synaptic?
[10:50] <spikeb> bob2, synaptic is fine, once you know how to use it. i just think it's crap for learning how to use.
[10:50] <spikeb> so if i were to change it, it'd be click on a checkbox for a package you want, and click install
[10:51] <topyli> bob2: i'd like to have it remove orphans like aptitude does
[10:51] <bob2> topyli: that would be handy
[10:51] <spikeb> one click upgrade.
[10:53] <Acridien> __daniel: when I link my mobile to the usb port the right driver is loaded look usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 7
[10:53] <Acridien> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[10:54] <Acridien> __daniel: definitely somethiing with action replay
[10:54] <carl_> hello, I've got a question about the new wiki: how do I register?
[10:54] <StarScream> hmm maybe i need to update the cache?
[10:56] <carl_> If I click on "log in", there is no "register" possibility...
[10:58] <Scuttler> carl_:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UserPreferences
[10:59] <Acridien> Desktop sounds have disappear do someone know how i can switch them on ??
[10:59] <bob2> computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds
[11:00] <Acridien> bob2: it's on
[11:00] <carl_> thanks, but this link gets me to the old wiki
[11:00] <Acridien> bob2: They disappear when I have created a new user account
[11:00] <neuro|laptop> moo
[11:01] <fsc> is gpdf dead?  I have some issues with the usability and functionality of xpdf
[11:01] <aspro> Hello, are there any 2.6.9 ubuntu .debs out there?
[11:02] <aspro> kernel 2.6.9, i mean
[11:02] <StarScream> apt-get install kde-base E: Couldn't find package kde-base
[11:02] <carl_> I already had a account in the old wiki, but it seems they haven't been migrated since it doesn't work
[11:02] <deFrysk> kdebase
[11:02] <deFrysk> try that
[11:02] <bob2> fsc: it doesn't do type3 fonts yet
[11:03] <StarScream> deFrysk: kdebase works, but it gives me more unmet dependancies... one of which is kdebase-bin
[11:03] <deFrysk> StarScream, added universe ?
[11:04] <StarScream> deFrysk: well i thought i did
[11:04] <StarScream> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[11:04] <StarScream> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[11:04] <StarScream> is whats in my sources.list
[11:04] <deFrysk> uncomment the universe line in sources.list
[11:05] <bob2> carl_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/join_form
[11:05] <deFrysk> then update and try again
[11:05] <StarScream> ah sorry, i sent the wrong line
[11:05] <StarScream> deFrysk: update...apt-get update ?
[11:05] <deFrysk> yup
[11:06] <stuNNed> hands down, adding universe doesn't want to install a bunch of unstable software, even with dist-upgrade
[11:06] <bob2> yes, some of universe is broken
[11:06] <StarScream> deFrysk: k,i did that but i still get the same errors
[11:06] <visor> anyone has any issues with realplayer 10 on ubuntu?
[11:06] <stuNNed> bob2, that is a big + imho
[11:07] <carl_> bob2: thank you very much
[11:07] <StarScream> ah this is under PPC btw....is it possible kde for PPC just hasn't been built yet?
[11:07] <bob2> stuNNed: hrm?
[11:07] <stuNNed> bob2, a big plus that adding universe then `apt-get dist-updgrade` doesn't install a bunch of unstable stuff
[11:07] <deFrysk> StarScream, try apt-get install kde (the megapackage)
[11:07] <neur0mancer> hi
[11:08] <Acridien> damn my printer doesn't work
[11:08] <bob2> stuNNed: erm, main and universe do not overlap at all
[11:08] <StarScream> deFrysk: hmm nope, get the same thing....xfce4 works ok though :) but yeh, i'd like kde if possible\
[11:08] <Acridien> help
[11:08] <bob2> stuNNed: dist-upgrade after adding universe won't do anything
[11:08] <neur0mancer> does anyone know how do I configure totem to play DVDs?
[11:08] <visor> neur0mancer: i guess you need libdvdcss...
[11:08] <deFrysk> StarScream, I dont have kde , but if not possible , too bad
[11:09] <neur0mancer> visor: only that?
[11:09] <visor> so no one has tried yet to use realplayer 10?
[11:09] <StarScream> deFrysk: yeh fair enough :)
[11:09] <stvn> neur0mancer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:09] <topyli> visor: works here
[11:09] <visor> neur0mancer: i havent tried that yet, but i guess, in many other distros you do only need that
[11:09] <visor> topyli: how did you installed it?
[11:10] <topyli> visor: i just got it from real.com and ran the installer
[11:10] <Nermal> anyone know if ubuntu can install from a pcmcia cdrom drive ?
[11:10] <visor> topyli: i did it as sudoer and both running a root terminal and installed it in /opt/realplayer so i dont mess up something, and when i try to run it it just keeps waiting and nothing happens later
[11:10] <bob2> doesn't that depend on your bios?
[11:10] <pi1> hi @ll
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, try the livecd on that
[11:11] <Nermal> hmm.. could do
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, if it works, then the install cd should
[11:11] <Nermal> its a sony vaio...
[11:11] <Nermal> I'm downloading the install cd now at work anyway :)
[11:11] <neur0mancer> there is no libdvdcss on the main/universe repositories but I am trying to install the libdvdplay0 and gstreamer-dvd
[11:11] <spikeb> what do you have on it ?
[11:11] <spikeb> currently
[11:11] <Nermal> me ?
[11:11] <bob2> neur0mancer: read the wiki page
[11:11] <spikeb> yeah
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, yeah
[11:11] <pi1> have problem with my grub and startin my win partition :(
[11:11] <spikeb> sorry.
[11:11] <topyli> visor: that's what i did too :\
[11:12] <Nermal> gentoo.. suse 8.2 boots on it ok so I booted the suse 8.2 install cdrom and started the installation process from that
[11:12] <neur0mancer> bob2: ok understood
[11:12] <spikeb> Nermal,  ok
[11:12] <Nermal> but then suse 9.x doesn't :|
[11:12] <spikeb> that sucks
[11:12] <visor> topyli: maybe if i uhmmm reboot? :P
[11:12] <Nermal> its a bit hit and miss. debian doesn't and gentoo doesn't :|
[11:12] <topyli> visor: heh
[11:12] <Nermal> I'm not even sure if knoppix does
[11:12] <spikeb> heh
[11:12] <spikeb> yeah
[11:12] <Nermal> I'm doomed :|
[11:12] <topyli> visor: you need to reinstall linux now
[11:12] <Nermal> god I want an ibook with ubuntu on it :|
[11:12] <Nermal> mmmm
[11:13] <bob2> Nermal: no wireless, no suspend
[11:13] <bob2> (yet)
[11:13] <spikeb> i had one
[11:13] <visor> topyli: they change the versions to download,  but, no one seems to notice, i download it and installed it on suse some weeks ago and the bin was different from size compared to this
[11:13] <Nermal> bob2, ok.. maybe not..
[11:13] <spikeb> hey wireless worked fine on the test releases
[11:13] <spikeb> (suspend didnt though)
[11:13] <bob2> not on a g4 ibook
[11:13] <topyli> visor: there was a security update
[11:13] <spikeb> ahh
[11:13] <spikeb> i had a g3 ibook.
[11:13] <bob2> ah
[11:13] <topyli> visor: could it be sound server confusion? are you running esd?
[11:14] <pi1> hm no one ?
[11:14] <visor> damn its nice to listen to my mp3 on the server machine through gnome-vfs2 on totem, ubuntu seems to be the first distro that actually pushed work to make this things work
[11:14] <visor> topyli: maybe, let me see
[11:14] <bob2> pi1: you didn't ask a question...
[11:14] <stuNNed> ah, epiphany is in universe, guess i'll be using that instead of galeon :)
[11:14] <Nermal> does ubuntu support reiserfs 4 ?
[11:14] <bob2> Nermal: "support"?
[11:14] <bob2> Nermal: it's not even in a mainline kernel yet!
[11:15] <Nermal> well.. does it come with support in the kernel or reiserfs4progs ?
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: oh...well ok sorry...i'm new here...
[11:15] <Nermal> ah.. I'm used to gentoo world :|
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: well...my grub doesn't start my win partition...
[11:15] <Nermal> mind you.. the last time I tried reiser 4 it exploded :|
[11:15] <bob2> shockingly
[11:15] <bob2> since it's still in alpha
[11:15] <spikeb> heh
[11:15] <spikeb> jfs is the man, baby
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: and i can't find a grub-update either :(
[11:15] <bob2> pi1: does it list it?  did it used to work?
[11:16] <jamaas> I'm new to Ubuntu, but like it very much.  The settings like ttyUSB0  etc that I need to make my visor sync do not remain, disappear when I reboot.  Can anyone tell me how to make them permanent?  Thanks
[11:16] <Nermal> bob2, I thought reiser 4 was stable now
[11:16] <visor> topyli: still the same, im going to reboot maybe some socket or who knows, those things happens... brb
[11:17] <bob2> Nermal: I wouldn't trust it
[11:17] <bob2> jamaas: changes to /dev are not presisted over reboot
[11:17] <pi1> bob2: yeah it works well starting ubuntu, but i can't start my hd(0,0) win partition :( i just get an echo of my menu.lst and nothing happens...
[11:17] <Nermal> aye..
[11:18] <fsc> what's hoary?
[11:18] <tux> lo
[11:18] <tux> follow up to warty
[11:18] <bob2> fsc: the next release of ubuntu
[11:18] <stvn> fsc: the next ubuntu release
[11:18] <fsc> ahh
[11:18] <bob2> pi1: try askign on the ubuntu-users list, I guess
[11:18] <tux> has anyone gotten sun's java 1.41 to work ?
[11:18] <patrick_> can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.3
[11:19] <jamaas> bob2:  is there a way to make them permanent, or do I have to produce modules and then get the kernel to load them?  there must be relatively simple solution ??  (Here's hoping!! :))
[11:19] <spikeb> lol
[11:19] <bob2> patrick_: what's wrong with the version in ubuntu?
[11:19] <sabdfl> jamaas: how do you get them setup?
[11:19] <bob2> tux: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <aspro> tux, 1.4.2 and 1.5 work fine here
[11:19] <patrick_> it says <glibc version: 2.3.2./setup: cannot connect to X server>
[11:19] <bob2> jamaas: what do you need change?
[11:20] <tux> aspro, i get it installed okay from rpm with alien
[11:20] <patrick_> the version 1.1.3 correct some words issues
[11:20] <aspro> i used the text installer
[11:20] <tux> but when i change to bin to execute java, it gives an error
[11:20] <pi1> bob2: hmm...ok...just one last question...where is my grub-update ??
 alien -i OO...   ???
[11:20] <bob2> pi1: I don't know what that is (but I've never used grub)
[11:21] <aspro> no, you can download a script from sun
[11:21] <stvn> pi1: sudo update-grub
[11:21] <bob2> patrick_: I'd be veeeeeeeery wary installing openoffice from rp
[11:21] <jamaas> bob2: when ubuntu boots , there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1  or ln -s from /dev/ttyUSB0 to /dev/visor or /dev/pilot.  I can produce them every time I login but next time they're gone.  make sense?
[11:21] <bob2> m
 alien -i OO...   ???
[11:21] <aLi`> i need a gui for listing the services that works on booting up?
[11:21] <bob2> jamaas: you just need the symlink?  or you need to load an extra module?
 how to use the text installer for ./setup -net
[11:22] <aspro> ?
[11:22] <aspro> i was talking to tux about java
[11:22] <tux> patrick_, no was talking to aspro about java installation
[11:22] <aspro> :)
[11:22] <tux> ;)
[11:22] <jamaas> bob2: I don't know about the module?  the symlink is not really necessary, what is required is an active ttyUSB0 and 1 upon reboot
[11:22] <topyli> aLi`: no you don't :) look at /etc/rc2.d
[11:23] <tux> aspro, i'll get the error again now, just booting laptop
[11:23] <sabdfl> jamaas: do you fix it manually just by creating a symblink?
[11:23] <aspro> okay
[11:23] <visor> im back
[11:23] <aLi`> topyli, i wannt a gui for this
[11:23] <topyli> visor: how's the porn?
[11:23] <jamaas> sabdfl: not just the symlink but aslo creating ttyUSB0 and 1
[11:23] <topyli> aLi`: perhaps you could use webmin
[11:23] <visor> topyli: told you, it was a reboot what was needed indeed
[11:24] <sabdfl> how, with mknod?
[11:24] <topyli> visor: my guess is you just unticked the sound server in the prefs but didn't kill esd for that session :)
[11:24] <visor> topyli: this things always have happened to me, always a temp file, anyway its good now :)
[11:25] <visor> uhmm i did know you have to do that he
[11:25] <jamaas> sabdfl: that is how I create the tty (modules?) each time I boot, but next time they are gone! :(
[11:25] <visor> did not, err
[11:25] <__daniel> jamaas: it's because of udev: it should take care of the creation of devices
[11:25] <topyli> visor: yeah, it's just a setting for the session manager, takes effect when you next log in :)
[11:25] <visor> this is the very best distro i have used :)
[11:26] <spikeb> eh
[11:26] <visor> topyli: actually, i did that, and yet i had the same problem, thats why i came to irc :)
[11:26] <jamaas> _daniel: I'm not familiar with this one, is it a command like mknod that creates these modules?
[11:26] <topyli> visor: hmm. so it was something locking the player like you say
[11:27] <__daniel> jamaas: it's a daemon that creates appropriate devices based on the kernel modules that are loaded
[11:27] <visor> the only thing i saw, so far, its that, for some odd reason many people seem to have bootplash, and i dont, i actually looked at the repositories and all of that (including the cdrom)and i didnt find anything about bootsplash, does that have something to do with releases?
[11:27] <__daniel> jamaas: what kernel module are we talking about anyway? usb-serial-something?
[11:28] <stuNNed> how do i check the status of a daemon in /etc/init.d ?
[11:28] <jamaas> I've read quite a bit about the kernel automatically configuring new devices as needed for hotsync, is this the same thing?  If so how do I use udev to create the devices?
[11:28] <patrick_> bob2 what is that x error
[11:28] <aspro> tux, ive got to go, maybe someone else can help you, sorry :)
[11:28] <Android16> sheesh , when do debian update their packages ?
[11:28] <visor> im not dying, i can live without an eye candy boot, but its just weird, many people dont have those packages, me counting one of those, and some other does
[11:28] <Android16> mysql server 3.23.49-8.8
[11:28] <tux> aspro, cool
 what is that x error
[11:28] <jamaas> _daniel, no idea, would need to research it
[11:28] <__daniel> jamaas: modprobe the appropriate kernel module
[11:28] <tux> i think i have to get it again anyways :.
[11:28] <tux> :/
[11:28] <aspro> yeah
[11:28] <patrick_> it says glibc version: 2.3.2
[11:28] <patrick_> ./setup: cannot connect to X server
[11:28] <aspro> get the non-rpm version
[11:29] <aspro> :)
[11:29] <patrick_> can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.3
[11:29] <tux> and then copy it over to /usr ?
[11:29] <__daniel> jamaas: what product do you try to use?
[11:29] <aLi`> topyli, webmin wants root password to login..!
[11:29] <patrick_> ./setup: cannot connect to X server
[11:29] <bob2> jamaas: you have to create device files with mknod?
[11:29] <bob2> patrick_: are you running that as root?
[11:29] <visor> patrick_: isnt that version the one that comes already with ubuntu?
[11:29] <topyli> aLi`: oh yeah. do you have one set up?
[11:29] <jamaas> _daniel: am using pilot-link and j-pilot
[11:29] <aspro> tux, it should install it fine as it is
[11:30] <tux> well non rpm just installs to my home folder
[11:30] <__daniel> jamaas: and what product?
[11:30] <aspro> hmm
[11:30] <visor> patrick_: anyway you need to do something like this: ./sudo setup then prompt the password and there you go
[11:30] <aspro> well, you can copy it anywhere you want anyway, it will still work fine :)
[11:30] <jamaas> sorry, don't understand, the hardware is a handspring visor and this is on the latest release of Ubuntu
[11:30] <joolz> hm, i forgot... Where do I find the ubuntu live cd download (http, not bittorrent)?
[11:31] <aspro> i think
[11:31] <aspro> :P
[11:31] <bob2> jamaas: what *exact* steps do you have to do to get it to work?
[11:31] <visor> patrick_: did that help?
[11:31] <tux> apros, so  J2SE v 1.4.2_06  JRE  includes the JVM technology is waht i need ?
[11:31] <bob2> joolz: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/
[11:31] <__daniel> jamaas: ok... that's what i tried to ask for
[11:31] <bob2> joolz: same place as all the other isos
[11:31] <joolz> bob2: great, thanks!
[11:32] <__daniel> jamaas: try    modprobe visor     and     tail -f /var/log/syslog
[11:32] <jamaas> _daniel, will do, thanks!
[11:33] <patrick_> no
[11:33] <__daniel> jamaas: does it say something?
[11:33] <patrick_> i run the install script and it works fine
[11:33] <Harnak> Does anyone know if there are UT2003 AMD64 binaries?
[11:33] <spikeb> not that i know of
[11:34] <spikeb> i think only ut2004
[11:35] <jamaas> _daniel, yes it spit out some stuff, do you wan to see it all??
[11:36] <__daniel> jamaas: /query me and tell me
[11:38] <Harnak> thanks spikeb
[11:47] <KarlosII> what is a good commandline syntax for recording iso images to cd?
[11:48] <__daniel> KarlosII: cdrecord DEV=/dev/blah blubb.iso
[11:49] <altan> what's the command to change my windowing environment right now?
[11:49] <visor> looks like firefox still has the same issue while playing real streams (file not found or so)
[11:49] <altan> iirc there was a program that came with X, called xswitcher or something like that
[12:07] <altan> hi guys, how do I change my resolution and refresh rate in a non-gnome environment? xfce default to the login screen's res/hz, which is a very high resolution and a veyr low refresh rate
[12:07] <sabdfl> altan: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:08] <jono> which hal file updates my /etc/fstab when I plug a device in?
[12:08] <sabdfl> use with care
[12:08] <sabdfl> jono: none
[12:08] <jono> sabdfl, huh?
[12:08] <sabdfl> afaik it's handled by pmount, without changing fstab
[12:08] <altan> I tried that (sorry, I can't read your name in this res :/)
[12:08] <Tomcat_> automount doesn't use fstab either...
[12:08] <altan> I changed hte only available res type to 1280x1024 but it still doesn't work
[12:09] <stvn> altan: remove the high resolutions from the XF86Config-4 file
[12:09] <stvn> altan: need to restart X
[12:09] <jono> there was a script included with HAL and I thought distros needed to use that
[12:09] <altan> ah, I just tried logging off and on
[12:09] <altan> ok, brb then
[12:09] <stvn> altan: not enough ;)
[12:10] <visor> jono: it depends, AFAIK if when compiling, the fstab-sync flag was passed then hald automatically edits the file
[12:10] <visor> wich is i guess the way it was on ubuntu
[12:10] <jdub> jono: ubuntu doesn't use fstab sync
[12:10] <jdub> jono: because munging configuration files makes baby jesus cry
[12:10] <visor> or maybe iam just wring
[12:11] <visor> wrong
[12:12] <spikeb> perhaps if developers would quit writing tools that munged config files, baby jesus wouldn't cry so damn much.
[12:12] <sabdfl> how would i use find in a shell script to test if there are files in  directory tree called .orig?
[12:12] <jono> so how does pmount do it then, does it keep its own virtual fstab in memory or something?
[12:12] <sabdfl> jono: not sure, ask pitti
[12:12] <jono> is that Martin Pitt?
[12:12] <pitti> jono: I did not follow the discussion
[12:13] <pitti> jono: why should pmount keep its own fstab?
[12:13] <jono> pitti, I am just trying to understand why pmount is used instead of fstab-sync
[12:13] <jono> and how does pmount work?
[12:13] <pitti> jono: two reasons:
[12:14] <pitti> jono: 1) we do not want daemons mess up configuration files like fstab
[12:14] <pitti> jono: 2) we don't want hal run as root
[12:14] <jdub> pitti: you forgot the third reason
[12:14] <pitti> jono: pmount solves both
[12:14] <pitti> jdub: ?
[12:14] <jdub> 3) we do not want to upset baby jesus
[12:14] <jono> hehe
[12:14] <stvn> hehe
[12:14] <jono> jdub got that right
[12:14] <pitti> jdub: whoever that is...
[12:14] <jono> so how does pmount do it then? does it bypass fstab?
[12:15] <spikeb> jesus is gonna whip some butt here pretty quick
[12:15] <pitti> jdub: mind to enlighten me? :-)
[12:15] <pitti> jono: yes
[12:15] <pitti> jono: it uses its own policy and directly calls mount
[12:15] <jdub> pitti: (the son of god, who didn't cry when he was born)
[12:15] <jono> is there any documentation on how to set up pmount? I am writing an article on configuring project utopia you see, and this should be in it
[12:15] <pitti> jdub: of course I know "Jesus", I just thought you meant somebody else in particular
[12:15] <Keybuk> sabdfl: find /path -type d -exec "test -f {}/*.orig" \; -print 2>/dev/null
[12:16] <pitti> jono: it does not really need setup
[12:16] <jdub> pitti: it kinda weirded me out that you were asking ;)
[12:16] <Keybuk> or similar
[12:16] <pitti> jdub: I thought it were the nick of a security addict
[12:16] <jdub> oh
[12:16] <pitti> jdub: never mind :-)(
[12:16] <pitti> jono: pmount just needs to be installed
[12:17] <sabdfl> keybuk: will that exit -gt 0 if such a file exists?
[12:17] <jono> pitti,what about on non-debian systems?
[12:17] <pitti> jono: if you don't use the deb, you have to chmod 4755 the two binaries and put them into /usr/bin
[12:17] <jono> right
[12:17] <pitti> jono: make install does that, BTW
[12:17] <__daniel> test -z `find /dir/ -name '.orig' | wc -l`
[12:17] <pitti> jono: However, in Ubuntu we restricted pmount execution to members of group 'plugdev'
[12:17] <jono> then how does HAL call pmount when a device is added?
[12:17] <pitti> jono: i. e. real desktop users
[12:17] <jdub> jono: it requires patches elsewhere too (it's not really a member of project utopia)
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 1) kernel receives a hotplug event and sends it to hal
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 2) hal detects some stuff about the device, stores it into its db and notifies anything that listens to him
[12:18] <jono> right, so pmount listens for hal callbacks?
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 3) gnome-volume-manager (running as user) receives the hal message and calls pmount (as user)
[12:19] <pitti> jono: no, pmount is low-level and shall not have such dependencies
[12:19] <jono> oh right
[12:19] <jono> so gnome-volume-manager calls pmount
[12:19] <__daniel> keybuk: oh... you already answered it :-)
[12:19] <pitti> jono: it is more or less similar to mount, but with some additional privileges
[12:19] <pitti> jono: right, g-v-m does it
[12:19] <jono> was g-v-m patched to access pmount or is this in the stock g-v-m?
[12:19] <mjr> hmm, that plugdev group thing is probably the reason why my ubuntu dist-upgraded from sid doesn't automount stuff
[12:20] <pitti> jono: g-v-m is the manager that decides whether to mount it, whether to treat a device as camera and call gthumb instead and so on
[12:20] <pitti> jono: no, we patched it
[12:20] <jono> right, so I should look at including information on how to patch it
[12:20] <sabdfl> mjr: dist-upgrading could break in all sorts of interesting ways :-P
[12:20] <jono> is the patch available online?
[12:20] <pitti> jono: it's in the source package
[12:20] <Keybuk> sabdfl: mine prints out the directory trees with .orig files in it, __daniel's is probably closer to "exit 0 if there's a .orig here"
[12:20] <jono> oh right
[12:20] <pitti> jono: I can put it to somewhere if you want
[12:20] <mjr> sadyes, I am aware, so I haven't complained too loudly about that ;)
[12:20] <jono> is it likely that pmount support will be merged into the main g-v-m build?
[12:21] <sabdfl> i'm just looking for something i can test with in a shell script
[12:21] <jono> pitti, thats ok, I just need to write how the reader patches it
[12:21] <sabdfl> i want to exit 1 if there's a .orig or .rej below a certain dir
[12:21] <pitti> jono: hmm, I don't think that will happen in the near future
[12:21] <mjr> anyway, I did a clean install on my laptop already, and am getting a new desktop box anyway
[12:21] <jono> pitti, if I write this, could you have a look over it for me to check it is correct?
[12:21] <mjr> so hopefully soon I can bitch about _real_ bugs with abandon ;)
[12:21] <pitti> jono: BTW, the patch is trivial, it just exchanges '/bin/mount' with '/usr/bin/pmount'
[12:21] <pitti> jono: I will be my pleasure :-)
[12:21] <spikeb> wtf
[12:21] <jono> pitti, thanks :)
[12:22] <spikeb> the latest kernel source package is 2.6.7
[12:22] <pitti> jono: can you put it to a public place and IRC-ping me?
[12:22] <pitti> jono: you can also mail me
[12:22] <mjr> hmm, not sadyes but dabdfl
[12:22] <pitti> jono: martin.pitt@canonical.com
[12:22] <mjr> sab
[12:22] <mjr> damn me
[12:22] <jono> cheers pitti, I am really grateful, another person from canonical to buy a beer for :)
[12:22] <pitti> jono: I'm looking forward to it :-)
[12:23] <jono> I am determined to buy everyone who makes free software that I use daily a beer, that includes you as well jdub
[12:23] <pitti> jono: where do you want to publish that, BTW?
[12:23] <Keybuk> sabdfl: test -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print)
[12:24] <sabdfl> keybuk: gem, thank you
[12:24] <sabdfl> Keybuk: that exits 0 if there are NO files, 1 if there are?
[12:25] <Keybuk> yes
[12:25] <sabdfl> great
[12:25] <Keybuk> you could do:  if [ -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print) ] ; then ...
[12:27] <spikeb> ahh there we go
[12:27] <ntoll> can I use standard debian packages with Ubuntu
[12:27] <ntoll> ?
[12:28] <stvn> ntoll: it's not advisable
[12:28] <ntoll> you see, I notice that there are Lilypond packages for amd64 and PPC in universe but not for i386. I wanted to try the debian i386 version.
[12:29] <SeArCh-> hi
[12:29] <ntoll> hi
[12:29] <stvn> ntoll: huh, i don't see any lilypond packages, what are they called?
[12:29] <ntoll> lilypond
[12:29] <ntoll> :-P
[12:30] <ntoll> I got there with a google on UBUNTU Lilypond
[12:30] <stvn> :)
[12:30] <sabdfl> what's lilypond?
[12:30] <ntoll> a music typsetter
[12:31] <ntoll> roflol
[12:31] <ntoll> GNU music typsetter
[12:31] <sabdfl> if its not in ubuntu i'm happy to arrange for the maintainer to be able to upload it
[12:31] <stvn> ntoll: you *can* install debian packages but you've to check dependencies very careful
[12:31] <ntoll> nice printed music manuscript from a markup language
[12:31] <ntoll> hmmm.... how can I find out why there are amd64 and PPC lilypond packages but NOT i386?
[12:32] <ntoll> and who should I tell to get the package built
[12:32] <ntoll> I assume as it exists for other platforms it can't be too hard to have in the i386 branch of ubuntu?
[12:32] <stvn> ntoll: universe is not relly supported, so you can only *ask* if someone wants to do it
[12:33] <ntoll> stvn: I installed ubuntu yesterday so I'm still finding stuff out - who and how (email) do I contact?
[12:34] <sabdfl> ntoll: is it in universe or multiverse?
[12:35] <ntoll> universe
[12:35] <ntoll> whats multiverse?
[12:35] <jdub> ntoll: ubuntu-user mailing list, generally
[12:36] <ntoll> not the developers list (as they prolly maintain the packages)?
[12:37] <PandU> I wont to enable FTP between 2 machins for file transfer both are ubuntu, can anybody help
[12:37] <sabdfl> ntoll: multiverse is software that we are even less supportive of than universe
[12:37] <sabdfl> usually because of licensing concerns
[12:37] <stvn> lol
[12:38] <ntoll> aha
[12:38] <ntoll> thanks
[12:38] <altan> hi, what's the command to run synaptic? I tried a launcher for sudo synaptic but it won't work
[12:38] <ntoll> synaptic
[12:38] <__daniel> altan: gksu synaptic
[12:38] <altan> thanks
[12:39] <Pizbit> altan: It's in the Computer -> System Configuration menu
[12:40] <stvn> PandU: you need to install a ftp-server on one or both machines
[12:41] <PandU> stvn, is it not installed by default with ubuntu
[12:41] <stvn> PandU: open synaptic and search for ftp, It looks like ubuntu prefers vsftd
[12:42] <stvn> PandU: you install that ftp server(or any other if you prefer another one) and an ftp client like gftp if you want a gui ftp-client
[12:42] <SeArCh-> does unbuntu also use apt-get (feta) command to update software or to install
[12:42] <SeArCh-> ?
[12:43] <__daniel> SeArCh-: yes
[12:43] <SeArCh-> tnx
[12:44] <PandU> stvn, I did not find vsftpd, there is pure , pro, p , wu-ftpd which one is best
[12:45] <altan> Pizbit: I just started xfce rather than gnome
[12:45] <Pizbit> Ah
[12:45] <altan> I want to remove gnome, but it affects like 80% of the programs on the machine
[12:45] <altan> is it "safe" to remove gnome?
[12:46] <jono> so is HAL normally run as root in other distros but not in ubuntu?
[12:47] <stvn> PandU: strange that you do not see vsftpd, anyway pure or wu are fine
[12:47] <jono> is Michiel Sikkes in here?
[12:47] <binary_10> hi, can someone tell how to stop ubuntu from changing the bios clock? its messing up my clock in windows
[12:48] <Pizbit> binary_10: Uhm, so who's getting it wrong? Windows or ubuntu?
[12:48] <PandU> stvn, thanks i think i will install wu-ftpd
[12:48] <stvn> binary_10: checked the faq?
[12:48] <stuNNed> is there a way to install blackdown java?
[12:48] <stvn> stuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:48] <binary_10> Pizbit, well ubuntu has the right time.. it changes my bios clock to +8 hours making my windows wrong
[12:48] <stuNNed> stvn, thanks
[12:49] <jazzka> how can I make an audio cd with ubuntu? I've got music in mp3 format
[12:50] <stvn> binary_10: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.4373491988
[12:50] <binary_10> i need to work on my searching skill
[12:50] <binary_10> skills
[12:50] <binary_10> thanks stvn
[12:51] <PandU> stvn, I still have no connection what port does wu-ftpd use
[12:51] <stvn> PandU: normal ftp
[12:51] <stvn> PandU: is it running?
[12:52] <PandU> stvn, normal port is 23
[12:52] <stvn> PandU: actually I don't know, but if you do ftp <yourhost> it will use the default port
[12:53] <PandU> stvn, I am able to connect command line but with GUI i put 23 and not connecting
[12:53] <stvn> PandU: don't put a port number and try again
[12:54] <stvn> PandU: I think it's 20 or 21
[12:54] <PandU> stvn, thanks its 21
[01:02] <jazzka> does k3b auto convert mp3 files to audio format?
[01:02] <jazzka> like Nero does?
[01:02] <stvn> it should
[01:03] <ozan> hi, i have a problem :( this morning after i tried to log in to my gnome-session i got an error saying that can't write to .ICEauthority file ... i tried another user and it was running. i looked .ICEauthority file and its ownership was for both root. i had't changed it but it was root. interesting :) i tried "sudo chown oenginoglu.oenginoglu .ICEauthority" but it didn't worked out. i tried to open root terminal but i get "Failed to run
[01:03] <ozan>  /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status" error message. pls help... i can't be root anymore :(
[01:04] <Nikz> Hi, I've got 4 lan cards and I've setup'd eth3 (the last one) to bring up internet connection, now where can I activate eth0 and the others? Is there any good gateway tutorial?
[01:04] <Pizbit> sudo -s not work too?
[01:05] <ozan> Pizbit: no it didn't work too.
[01:06] <Treenaks> ozan: just remove that file
[01:06] <Treenaks> ozan: the iceauthority one
[01:06] <ozan> but i can't be root. how can i remove it
[01:07] <Pizbit> sudo rm ?
[01:07] <ozan> no, doesn't work
[01:07] <Treenaks> ozan: it's your homedir.. just rm it
[01:08] <spiv_> ozan: If the file is in your home directory, you can delete it, even if some else owns it.
[01:08] <Nikz> have you tried root terminal?
[01:08] <spiv_> (Because you're changing the directory, not the file, it's the permissions on the directory that matter..)
[01:08] <ozan> yes, can't open
[01:08] <Treenaks> btw, lots of problems with ICEauthority.. why are you running X programs as root?
[01:10] <ozan> i didn't changed its ownerships. yesterday everything was ok but today i can't even enter
[01:10] <ozan> i removed the file
[01:11] <ozan> will gnome recreate it?
[01:13] <ozan> i am gonna check it
[01:24] <MyKq3> hello i have alsa installed on my Ubuntu but i don't have the ~/.asoundrc nor the /etc/modules.con should i just crate them ?
[01:25] <Pizbit> Yeah, might want to stop esd from starting when you log into gnome though
[01:26] <atariboy`> silly non ubuntu question: how do i allow listing of a dir using a .htaccess file? i get a 403 at the moment
[01:26] <Harnak> Does anyone know where I can find info on how to get kde to be a valid session to be selected when using GDM?
[01:27] <MyKq3> Pizbit,  it was for me ?
[01:27] <Pizbit> MyKq3: Yeah
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Harnak, it wasn't added by default ?
[01:28] <Pizbit> Anyone know about how to set what thunderbird calls the "IMAP Server Directory" in evolution?
[01:28] <MyKq3> Pizbit,  can u expline me a bit more about esd plz ... i m a newbi =\
[01:29] <Harnak> no... maybe I didn't select all the packages in synaptic..
[01:29] <stvn> Pizbit: check recieving options, i think it's over ride server supplied namespace
[01:29] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, if you run gstreamer-properties you can select which sound system Gnome uses
[01:29] <Harnak> I choose the ubuntu3.2.3 debs..
[01:30] <Pizbit> stvn: I've tried that and it didnt' seem to work, do I need to kill off evolution to get that to work?:)
[01:30] <LinuxJones> Harnak, if you have kde installed you should only have to logout then Under Session (I think) you can change to a KDE session
[01:30] <stuNNed> is there similar command `rpm -qa|grep substr` with apt?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, apt-cache search <packagename>
[01:31] <stvn> Pizbit: might be a good option to restart evo
[01:31] <Pizbit> stvn: No joy
[01:31] <Harnak> LinuxJones.. alright.. let me give that another shot
[01:31] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, that will list installed packages?
[01:31] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah it was the 1st thingy i have done to solve this problem i have with my sound card so i could play several things at once
[01:31] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, alsa is nice :)
[01:32] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah :))) i found a nice guide that i m trying to work with . u might want to take a look on it  ^^  ( http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/alsa/ )
[01:33] <stvn> Pizbit: what is the folder called on the server?
[01:33] <Pizbit> Mail
[01:33] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  there r one more link on the gudie check it u might b amazed what u can do with alsa ^^
[01:33] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, it's a search feature or you can dpkg -l | grep whatever
[01:33] <Pizbit> Works as expected in thunderbird so I know I got it right heh:)
[01:34] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, ah, that's what i was looking for, thanks :)
[01:34] <stvn> Pizbit: so it is Mail/INBOX for the inbox?
[01:34] <bigbrother0074> is DC++ available for ubuntu or anything?
[01:36] <stuNNed> is there a way to uninstall evolution and just use thunderbird?
[01:37] <Pizbit> stvn: Erm, since I'm bad an explaining stuff, to explain what I'm seeing I created this:) http://img99.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img99&image=evolution-thunderbird.png
[01:40] <stvn> Pizbit: oh hm, you could try to copy the personal namespace of tbird as namespace in evo and do disable 'show only subscribed folders'
[01:40] <stvn> Pizbit: I had quite some trouble to get evo and tbird play nice on the same imap account
[01:41] <stvn> Pizbit: I ended up letting evo decide the layout and Tbird just copying it
[01:41] <Pizbit> Heh
[01:41] <Pizbit> Works easier that way eh?
[01:41] <stvn> Pizbit: evo is much less flexible than tbird
[01:42] <Pizbit> Noticed heh
[01:42] <stvn> :)
[01:42] <stvn> other than that evo is nice though
[01:42] <Pizbit> It's filtering is slooowww
[01:43] <Pizbit> But hey, it integrates into the gnome-panel through some nifty applets:)
[01:43] <stvn> :)
[01:46] <jono> is there a guide to writing FDI files for HAL anywhere?
[01:50] <Pizbit> Argh, sleep time, long ago!
[01:51] <lml> Anybody know hos to get transcode installed under Ubuntu? I can find Gtranscode and it is dependant on a transcode package which apparently is not there.
[01:51] <lml> s/hos/how
[01:52] <LinuxJones> lml, I have a listing for it. Do you have the universe repository enabled ?
[01:53] <lml> LinuxJones: Yep and mulitverse, but maybe I am expirencing another problem. Lately when I have run apt-get update the process finishes very quickly and tells me that all lists are allready there.
[01:54] <LinuxJones> lml, the repositories are frozen so there are not many updates except for security fixes.
[01:55] <lml> LinuxJones: Hmm, I cannot find the transcode package anywhere in my repositories. Is the package name transcode in the lists you have?
[01:55] <Treenaks> isn't transcode in the marillat repository?
[01:56] <lml> Treenaks: marillat repository?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> lml, apt-cache search transcode outputs >> transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams
[01:56] <Treenaks> lml: wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:56] <Treenaks> uh
[01:56] <Treenaks> without the extra /wiki/
[01:56] <Treenaks> Stupid Wikipedia is in my fingers :)
[01:57] <LinuxJones> lml, Treenaks is probably correct I didn't realize I had that repo enabled sorry :)
[01:57] <lml> Hmm, I use to have that repository enabled - somehow it has disappeared. Checking as I write...
[02:00] <letheus> am i the only one, who has problems running MPlayer?
[02:01] <nate> anyone having problems doing an upgrade with Synaptic?
[02:01] <Treenaks> nate: no
[02:01] <letheus> nate, no
[02:01] <LinuxJones> letheus, I think mplayer has some broken dependencies right now.
[02:02] <lml> Treenaks & LinuxJones: Are there other repos I need to use? I have found the trancode package but is missing dependencies for libjasper and libquicktime?
[02:02] <nate> hmm
[02:02] <Treenaks> lml: don't know, sorry
[02:02] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok. Well, i just want to asf-files.
[02:04] <Gmail> LOL i was on the phone with a friend and he said: linux crashes more than m$, and i ask him how many times did you need to restart linux so far? he answers zero. then i ask him how many times did you have to restart windoze? he answers about 5 times a day.
[02:04] <LinuxJones> letheus, I think if you install the win32 codec package it will provide asf file support.
[02:04] <lml> Treenaks and LinuxJones: thx - at least I got a little further this time. Will try to locate the missing packages.
[02:05] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok. I?ll try that. Thanks :)
[02:06] <LinuxJones> letheus, then use gxine until someone fixes mplayer :)
[02:07] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok
[02:08] <letheus> Gmail, jerk :)
[02:10] <stvn> letheus: or install mplayer manually - that's what i did
[02:12] <kent> Totem with the xine-engine works aswell. Then you dont need to install manually.
[02:13] <stvn> kent: true, but i have a slow computer and mplayer just squeezes that extra bit of power needed to play movies
[02:13] <zaydana> hey peeps... can somebody tell me how to retry configuring my modem with DHCP after i've installed ubuntu?
[02:15] <lml> Is universe the test repo or is there an actual test or unstable repo for Ubuntu?
[02:16] <stvn> lml: there will be testing repro for hoarty - AFAIK it's not yet there
[02:17] <stvn> hoary
[02:17] <angie75> hi there
[02:17] <stvn> hi
[02:19] <letheus> stvn, ok
[02:22] <LinuxJones> zaydana, >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking
[02:22] <zaydana> k thanks
[02:25] <GotD0t> RC1 got released
[02:25] <GotD0t> err
[02:25] <GotD0t> for firefox
[02:26] <ken> hi, anyone know the relation between ubuntu live and gnoppix ?
[02:26] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, it's going gold on Nov. 8th I think
[02:26] <Riddell> ken: they are different projects m,ade by different people
[02:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: really?
[02:26] <lhb> ken: found out myself today that gnoppix is based on ubuntu
[02:26] <LinuxJones> ken, Ubuntu Live CD is based on Morphix which is a derivative of Knoppix
[02:27] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, ya
[02:27] <kro> Whats the easiest way to create an iso using ubuntu?
[02:27] <kro> For instance, I want to make my own iso image of the ubuntu installer.
[02:27] <ken> i d/l gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 and found that it is same as ubuntu live release !
[02:27] <stvn> LinuxJones: i thought that morphix is a derivative of gnoppix that being a derivative of knoppix ;)
[02:28] <ken> i think: gnoppix from morphix from knoppix
[02:28] <LinuxJones> stvn, gnoppix is a derivative of Morphix as well, There are too many distros to keep track of :)
[02:28] <stvn> true
[02:28] <GotD0t> just by looking at the name morphix sounds like the original
[02:29] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, Morphix makes it super easy to create your own customized distro
[02:29] <ken> morphix tries to be modular, it uses mainmodule and minimodules
[02:29] <GotD0t> whats the U command do?
[02:30] <stvn> GotD0t: dist-upgrade
[02:30] <kro> So no one here has created an iso using Ubuntu?
[02:30] <stvn> GotD0t: or upgrade dunno really, but at least mark all updatable packages
[02:31] <lhb> the contact info on the gnoppix site says it all :)
[02:31] <GotD0t> ok... well i gotta leave for class
[02:31] <GotD0t> bya ll
[02:31] <kent> I think that the "About Ubuntu" in the menu on the panel should open a program that shows some information about the system running, and information about updates (security etc), and newer releases, and so on.  As it is now, it only shows the Ubuntu homepage.
[02:32] <GotD0t> bye all*
[02:32] <LinuxJones> kro, I think you can do it with xcdroast
[02:32] <kro> seems like there is no gnome app currently on par with k3b
[02:32] <bob2> kent: you can file an enhancement bug about that if you like
[02:32] <LinuxJones> kro, no not at all :(
[02:32] <kent> bob2, where is the Ubuntu bugzilla?
[02:33] <jono> where are hal fdi files located?
[02:33] <bob2> kent: /topic
[02:33] <stvn> plaatje vergeten
[02:33] <kro> Oh well, I just enabled the universe and I'm gonna install k3b.
[02:33] <kent> bob2, i found it.
[02:33] <kro> Why was bugzilla chosen over the Debian BTS?
[02:33] <Gmail> does any one know where i can insert a word and it use figlets to do its stuff
[02:34] <angie75> hi there
[02:34] <LinuxJones> kro, k3b will cause problems on your system right now, I recently removed k3b :)
[02:34] <bob2> Gmail: erm, run figlet?
[02:34] <angie75> I would like to add some video codecs, any suggestions?
[02:34] <kro> LinuxJones: great.  What problems can I expect?
[02:34] <Gmail> bob2: i dont seem to have it installed
[02:34] <MyKq3> after i m type cat /proc/asound/cards i resive a plot  0 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI that means that i SoundCard is card 0 ?
[02:34] <bob2> Gmail: so install it
[02:35] <bob2> angie75: RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[02:35] <LinuxJones> kro, when you run k3b you can't log back into gnome (after shutdown) you have to delete a file in your home dir to get back into gnome
[02:35] <angie75> bob2: uh tnx  :-) any sughgested videoplayer?
[02:35] <bob2> angie75: mplayer doesn't get my way
[02:36] <kro> LinuxJones: that sucks.  What file did you delete?
[02:36] <Striss> hey all...I'm wondering if theres any way to get Flash working in Firefox in Ubuntu PPC?
[02:36] <Gmail> bob2: i can by apt or do i have to use the perl way of installing scripts?
[02:36] <angie75> bob2: I probably need to compile it
[02:36] <kro> Striss: I think you're doomed.
[02:36] <LinuxJones> kro, you will have to delete .ICEauthority
[02:36] <Gmail> Striss: flsh working here
[02:36] <Striss> good lord
[02:36] <Striss> Gmail, how?
[02:37] <Gmail> add universe to your sources.list
[02:37] <Striss> i cant find a flash plugin that works for ppc
[02:37] <altan> is it just me, or are the ubuntu Synaptic mirrors horribly slow
[02:37] <bob2> Gmail: apt-cache search figlet, dude
[02:37] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  r u sure i think its enough just to recalme it  ( to move back the promision to his user  .. )
[02:37] <Gmail> then apt-get install flash
[02:37] <altan> i'm getting numbers like 300 bytes per second
[02:37] <Striss> Gmail, ok i'll try that
[02:37] <bob2> Gmail: do you know the difference between ppc and i386?
[02:38] <Gmail> Striss: it might be no be in ubuntu so get it from debian
[02:38] <LinuxJones> altan, it depends on your route to the servers I get great speeds :)
[02:38] <Gmail> bob2: yes
[02:38] <kro> Striss: I think your only hope is swf-player, but its not that good.
[02:38] <Striss> Gmail, that didnt work
[02:38] <bob2> Gmail: there's no package called "flash" in Debian, either
[02:38] <bob2> Striss: ignore Gmail
[02:38] <altan> hmm, I'm on dialup, but it shouldn't be THIS slow
[02:38] <Striss> ok
[02:38] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, ya it will get re-created automagically :)
[02:38] <Gmail> Striss: then its flash-nonfree
[02:38] <Gmail> or something like that
[02:38] <zaydana> LinuxJones - thanks :) Got it working.
[02:39] <kro> Gmail: the non-free flash doesn't exist for ppc.
[02:39] <Striss> there isnt a firefox plugin for flash ppc Gmail
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: do you actually know that Macromedia has released a binary version of flash for ppc, or are you guessing?
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: if you're guessing, please stop
[02:39] <Striss> i can't believe I won't be able to view flash pages, this is depressing
[02:39] <kro> All we have on ppc is swf-player.
[02:39] <Striss> almost makes me want to go back to os x
[02:39] <kro> Which I haven't had much luck with.
[02:39] <Gmail> bob2: the is also libswf
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: yes, but that's not what you said
[02:40] <Gmail> Striss: you want a GPL'd uncomplete flash lib?
[02:40] <Striss> what
[02:40] <Gmail> bob2: well there is alway flash 4 mac
[02:40] <bob2> Gmail: can you stop it?
[02:40] <Striss> i'm not sure you know what you're talking about Gmail
[02:40] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah ^^ but remmber that he might burn it as a root .... and then we r back to point 1
[02:40] <Gmail> Striss: you want an uncomplete unoffical flash lib?
[02:41] <Striss> i want a flash plugin for firefox in ppc, i don't believe it exists
[02:41] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, I think he has to burn as root that's the problem :)
[02:41] <lifeless> Mithrandir: amd64 hangs - kernel oops 002
[02:41] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  thatz what i m saying ...
[02:41] <Gmail> Striss: there is something will play *some* flash files
[02:41] <Striss> Gmail, and what is that
[02:43] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  he will allways bune cdz as a root ( for the pramision ) so any time the  .ICEauthority will b recrated it will b in the ownership of the root user ...
[02:43] <Mithrandir> lifeless: randomly or when doing foo?
[02:43] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, ya I know :)
[02:44] <Gmail> Striss: wait a sec
[02:44] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, but it shouldn't do that
[02:44] <lifeless> Mithrandir: when using the machine :|
[02:44] <lifeless> doesn't happen with an ix86 install on the same box
[02:45] <Striss> What sound server is gnome2.8 using?
[02:45] <Gmail> Striss: libflash0, libswfdec0
[02:46] <Gmail> not sure about the second one deing in ppc
[02:46] <Striss> wondering how i can play a .wav file while mp3's are playing
[02:46] <Gmail> Striss: and swf-player
[02:46] <sator> striss use bplay
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Striss, esd or alsa in gstreamer-properties you can change it there. Depending on your hardware that is.
[02:48] <Striss> my mp3 player works fine, and system events will play while i have mp3's on...But in aMSN i need to to tell it what app to use to play the sound events
[02:48] <benjanet> Where do i change the language of my Ubuntu, i want to go from Spanish->English
[02:48] <Gmail> Striss: i am not sure on the type of support swf-player wound have but it does do the *basic* job
[02:49] <mjr> essentially you can forget about interactive flash stuff with swf-player but you might get the animated commercials ;)
[02:49] <Striss> what app goes gnome use to trigger sound events?
[02:50] <mjr> and incidentally, anyone wanting flash for an unsupported platform should bug macromedia a bit about freeing the player :)
[02:50] <Treenaks> mjr: s/wanting flash for an unsupported platform//
[02:51] <Gmail> Striss: gstreamer
[02:51] <jordi> Gmail: or esound, depends on what he means
[02:52] <Gmail> jordi: or oss or alsa if you changed it from the defualt settings
[02:52] <Mithrandir> lifeless: it's kinda hard to debug without more information..
[02:53] <jordi> Gmail: the actual program that talks to the device is esound, if in use
[02:53] <Striss> Gmail, is there anyway I can get gstreamer to play a wav file?
[02:53] <jordi> that's what I mean.
[02:53] <Striss> i just need to figure this out so i can get aMSN to play sound events
[02:54] <lhb> jordi: you saw that one coming :)
[02:54] <jordi> Striss: that depends on what amsn uses to do sound. :)
[02:54] <jordi> lhb: heh
[02:54] <lifeless> Mithrandir: what would you like - dmesg? transcribed (all 3 lines) of oops?
[02:54] <NewComer> Striss: how about converting them to some other format that gstreamer support, and still name them *.wav
[02:54] <Striss> jordi, it has a field that you fill out, to tell it what application to use to trigger a sound event
[02:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: oops would be a start, yes.
[02:55] <Striss> right now it's set to use "play"
[02:55] <lifeless> I'll copy n paste for you shortly.
[02:55] <lifeless> (manual that is)
[02:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: thanks
[02:56] <jordi> Striss: I guess that'd be a problem, because play will want to use the device, which is probably locked by esound already.
[02:56] <Gmail> amsn uses the comand server of your chose
[02:56] <sid77> question: where are saved iptables rules?
[02:56] <Striss> jordi, exactly, thats why i want to figure out what command line i replace play with
[02:56] <Gmail> Striss: just use: play <file>
[02:57] <Striss> Gmail, that doesn't work
[02:57] <Gmail> wtf
[02:57] <Striss> ie, what jordi said
[02:58] <bob2> sid77: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[02:58] <Gmail> Striss: do you have the write modules probed for sound?
[02:58] <jordi> Gmail: I don't expect play to grok esound too well. :)
[02:58] <Striss> sound works fine
[02:58] <jordi> Gmail: he just needs a play replacement that does esound.
[02:58] <Striss> if i knew what commandline to issue instead of play i'd be fine
[02:58] <Striss> gnome sound events work fine
[02:58] <jordi> is xmms included in ubuntu?
[02:58] <jordi> that might be an overkill, but...
[02:58] <Gmail> use rplay <file>
[02:58] <MyKq3> Striss,  have u fixed the problem  ?
[02:59] <jordi> Striss: maybe there's something good in esound-clients
[02:59] <Striss> rplay is not a command
[02:59] <Gmail> but make sure rplay is config to use esound
[02:59] <Striss> MyKq3, nope
[02:59] <Gmail> Striss: apt-get install rplay
[02:59] <jordi> Striss: there appears to be a "esdplay" in -clients.
[02:59] <Striss> i'm a little hesitant to try that
[03:00] <MyKq3> Striss  okay thats what we will do
[03:00] <Striss> i was wondering why esdplay wasn't there
[03:00] <Striss> i have esd but no esdplay
[03:00] <jordi> probably the clients package is not useful to the average ubuntu user
[03:00] <Striss> ahh ok now we're getting somewhere
[03:00] <MyKq3> Striss. type this comand tell me that u resive  cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:01] <jordi> MyKq3: sounds works ok. It's just the play command.
[03:01] <Striss> yeah
[03:01] <sid77> bob2, tnx
[03:01] <Striss> jordi, can i just apt-get esound-clients ?
[03:01] <MyKq3> Striss,  he sayed he can't start two soud servers on the same time .... and that he used alsa... didn't he ?
[03:02] <Striss> no no
[03:02] <MyKq3> sorry it was for jordi
[03:02] <Striss> I think jordi has me all fixed up
[03:02] <Striss> i'll know in a minute
[03:02] <jordi> Striss: I assume so, I have no ubuntu systems up running rght now
[03:02] <MyKq3> ohh okay ...
[03:02] <MyKq3> gl to ya man ^^
[03:02] <Striss> jordi, w00t it worked! all i needed was esdplay, thanks
[03:03] <jordi> Striss: great!
[03:03] <Striss> i'll send you a chocolate cake in the mail
[03:03] <Striss> i owe you one
[03:03] <jordi> hehe, np!
[03:03] <bob2> jordi: traitor!
[03:04] <jordi> bob2: because no ubuntu box running? Well, I'm doing packages for Debian in this very rght moment you know :)
[03:04] <bob2> jordi: excuses :-p
[03:04] <jordi> I know, but the general public will accept that as a valid excuse :)
[03:04] <bob2> hehe
[03:05] <Gmail> jordi uses debain!
[03:06] <Gmail> jordi: run ubuntu and debian
[03:06] <Gmail> on the same box
[03:06] <MyKq3> g night ppl
[03:06] <jordi> Gmail: sure :)
[03:06] <Gmail> with the same /home partion
[03:06] <Gmail> jordi: whats taking so long
[03:06] <bob2> Gmail: erm, jordi is more than capable of doing that if he wants to
[03:07] <Gmail> ubuntu takes a few min to install
[03:07] <bob2> Gmail: you might want to check who made the alsa packages you're using, for instance
[03:07] <Gmail> i know
[03:07] <Gmail> jordi: makes gnome in debian'
[03:08] <jordi> I'm seb128's puppet.
[03:08] <bob2> hahaha
[03:08] <jordi> I'm doing a long and painful compile of alsa-modules-i386 for unstable.
[03:08] <benjanet> what happens if debian and ubuntu software have different versions of software, what happens with files that are in the /home shared partition
[03:08] <jordi> that means compiling the same shit for 7 kernel flavours.
[03:09] <jordi> benjanet: most of the time, nothing. In some cases you might run into trouble
[03:09] <jordi> benjanet: mozilla* might be problematic
[03:09] <jordi> and some gnome stuff
[03:09] <jordi> fabbione: thanks. When will it be in Debian dude? :D
[03:09] <benjanet> jordi, so its better to have a pure /home :p
[03:09] <Gmail> http://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html says swf-player is version 1.3 nor and 1.4 is coming soon
[03:09] <jordi> ooh
[03:10] <fabbione> jordi: as soon as sarge release and i finish the packages?
[03:10] <Gmail> and in debian AND ubuntu swf-player is version?
[03:10] <jordi> I'm compiling the last flavour right now.
[03:10] <Gmail> 0.2.2-5
[03:10] <Gmail> WTF
[03:10] <Gmail> s/nor/
[03:10] <jordi> fabbione: you mean there's _NO_ chance of sticking xorg in Sarge? There's time! You can make it!
[03:11] <fabbione> jordi: i know i can make it, if i only had 48 hours a day
[03:11] <fabbione> jordi: but than i will have to send you my gf :P
[03:12] <gruberman> lol, frozen bubble is addictive
[03:13] <Striss> is it generally safe to apt-get remove stuff?
[03:13] <Gmail> yes
[03:14] <Gmail> unless it was lg-67
[03:14] <jordi> Striss: in the case of frozen-bubble, it is more than safe, it should be recommended.
[03:14] <Striss> haha
[03:14] <Striss> i used to play that quite a bit
[03:14] <Striss> i forgot about it until now...thanks a lot
[03:14] <Striss> now i'm gonna have to get that
[03:14] <jordi> Striss: well, depends on what stuff. If you remove bash, you're on trouble, besides APT will whine loudly to stop you from doing that.
[03:15] <jordi> ooh, build finished
[03:15] <Gmail> why do people say the dh_* stuff is easier than dpkg-deb its so hard to swap over
[03:16] <bob2> Gmail: "swap over"?
[03:16] <Gmail> bob2: change over
[03:16] <bob2> Gmail: no one actually ever makes packages using dpkg-deb to begin with
[03:16] <bob2> unless they're insane
[03:17] <bob2> what did you actually package using nothing but dpkg-deb?
[03:18] <Keybuk> *technically* everyone does :D  but the sane way is to use dh_builddeb (which calls dpkg-deb)
[03:18] <Gmail> jordi: can you take over swf-player version 1.3 is out and 0.2.2 was out before 1999
[03:18] <Gmail> http://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html
[03:18] <bob2> Keybuk: pedant!
[03:18] <Keybuk> bob2: maintainer
[03:18] <bob2> Keybuk: hm, point
[03:18] <Gmail> bob2: i did but all the file nede where already made
[03:19] <bob2> Gmail: so you took someone else's package, instead of starting from scratch?
[03:19] <bob2> being dpkg maintainer makes you invulnerable to nearly all arguments about anything, bastard
[03:19] <Gmail> bob2: look at sf.net/projects/zmanim
[03:20] <Gmail> bob2: look at http://sf.net/projects/zmanim
[03:20] <Striss> jordi, i'm apt-getting frozen bubble, doom is at hand
[03:20] <Striss> so much for leaving my room
[03:20] <Nermal> as in creates.. not ignites
[03:20] <Gmail> this is debian unstable: Package: swf-player (0.2.2-7)
[03:20] <Gmail> 1.1x  	23 Feb 1999
[03:21] <Gmail> wtf
[03:21] <Treenaks> no, swf
[03:21] <Nermal> ooh.. sharp
[03:21] <Treenaks> Nermal: C# ?
[03:21] <Gmail> no really did the maintanor forget to make new package sence 199*?
[03:21] <Nermal> could be
[03:22] <bob2> Gmail: chill, dude
[03:22] <Gmail> jordi: where do i file that a maintanor abaded a program ??
[03:23] <Gmail> bob2: ok
[03:23] <bob2> Gmail: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swfdec.html
[03:24] <bob2> there was an upload less than a month ago
[03:24] <atariboy`> is it a known issue that NTP doesn't work via the gnome time and date settings?
[03:25] <Gmail> bob2: i am talking about swift-player
[03:25] <fabbione> atariboy`: yes
[03:25] <bob2> Gmail: please read that page
[03:25] <Gmail> bob2: diffrent projects
[03:25] <atariboy`> oki
[03:25] <Gmail> ohh
[03:25] <Gmail> i see
[03:25] <bob2> Gmail: read that page
[03:25] <Gmail> but i guess he is still going to the old project page
[03:28] <Gmail> bob2: well he is going to the old project page from the look of it
[03:28] <Gmail> look at http://www.google.com/search?q=swf-player+%2B+linux&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[03:30] <Gmail> and i am not sure if gameswf or swfplayer is better as gameswf can do flash player 7 files but is in the public domain and has lots of errors and not GTK+
[03:31] <jordi> gone for food at last
[03:32] <Gmail> jordi: what about me :(
[03:33] <gruberman> gah, wife coming home soon. Time to do something
[03:35] <Gmail> gruberman: *what*?
[03:35] <Gmail> bob2: the project continued here http://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html
[03:35] <gruberman> look busy? :)
[03:35] <bob2> ok...
[03:36] <Gmail> but they are getting there sources from:
[03:36] <Gmail> http://www.swift-tools.net/Flash/
[03:36] <gruberman> bbl
[03:36] <Striss> I have a usb tv tuner that works in OS X, is there any way to get it working in ubuntu?
[03:36] <Gmail> mac has usb 0_0
[03:37] <Striss> the tuner has no support for anything other than os x tho
[03:37] <Treenaks> Striss: what's the make/model?
[03:37] <Treenaks> Striss: (lsusb will tell you more, as well)
[03:37] <Striss> eskapelabs myTVx
[03:37] <Striss> myTV2Go actually
[03:37] <Striss> i don't expect it to work at all
[03:38] <bob2> Striss: do linux drivers exist?
[03:38] <Gmail> Striss: mac drivers are easy to port to linux comparted to winblows drivers
[03:38] <Striss> bob2, not that i know of
[03:38] <Striss> wondering if its supported under bttv
[03:38] <jono> is universe syncing with unstable daily at the moment?
[03:38] <bob2> Gmail: have you ported a binary mac os x driver to linux?
[03:38] <Treenaks> Striss: Eskape Labs are owned by Hauppauge
[03:38] <MMouse> im new to ubuntu, but interested in any focus on the management of boxes running ubuntu- is ubuntu on the OpenIPMI path?
[03:39] <Treenaks> so it's basically a WinTV USB
[03:39] <bob2> jono: it's syncing, yes, don't know about the frequency
[03:39] <Treenaks> Striss: and that seems to work..
[03:39] <bob2> jono: (only for hoary, of course; warty is frozen)
[03:39] <jono> bob2, ok thanks
[03:39] <Gmail> bob2: i ment from source
[03:39] <jono> do I need to change sources.list to get hoary?
[03:39] <bob2> Gmail: how many mac os X drivers have you ported?
[03:39] <bob2> jono: don't use hoary
[03:39] <Striss> Treenaks, i'll give it a shot and see if it works
[03:39] <jono> is it broken bob2?
[03:39] <Nermal> what kernel does ubuntu come with ?
[03:39] <bob2> jono: yes
[03:40] <jono> Nermal, a linux kernel :)
[03:40] <bob2> h/win30
[03:40] <Nermal> ololololol
[03:40] <jono> Nermal, 2.6.8 I think
[03:40] <jono> Nermal, yeah 2.6.8.1
[03:40] <bob2> Nermal: 2.6.8.1 + a bazillion drivers and patches
[03:40] <Nermal> ah
[03:40] <Gmail> bob2: none i never look at anyone doing one but its easier than porting a winblows driver
[03:41] <bob2> Gmail: please stop making unsubstantiated statements
[03:43] <MMouse> hey I saw one of the preview ubuntu's with naked people as the desktop. is that on the ftp site? ;)
[03:43] <bob2> they weren't naked
[03:44] <bob2> but it's still available in ubuntu
[03:44] <stvn> MMouse: it's in the ubuntu-artwork package
[03:44] <MMouse> ahh
[03:49] <MMouse> hmm dont seem to be on the live cd. that's ok. downloading the iso now.
[03:50] <biscuits> how do i install dynamic link libraries e.g. opengl, glu, sdl?
[03:50] <Treenaks> biscuits: they're installed automatically, by stuff depending on it
[03:51] <biscuits> hmm ok
[03:51] <bob2> biscuits: or do you mean for buildign stuff?
[03:51] <biscuits> ill recreate the message i get
[03:52] <biscuits> is it ok to paste the message i get in here?
[03:54] <stvn> biscuits: paste in #flood if it is longer than 1 line
[03:54] <biscuits> ok pasted in there
[03:55] <bob2> biscuits: while running what?
[03:55] <stvn> biscuits: it's only one line ;)
[03:55] <biscuits> ./bin_unix/linux_client
[03:55] <biscuits> ./bin_unix/linux_client
[03:55] <biscuits> its a  game called "cube"
[03:56] <bob2> install libsdl-image1.2
[04:01] <biscuits> i take it that apt-get doesnt work for that
[04:01] <stvn> yep
[04:02] <bob2> you can install the paclage with apt
[04:03] <dnielsen> ooh.. Hoary breakiness soon, yay I nolonger have to be bored
[04:03] <biscuits> ok bob2 i feel dumb how do i install it with apt-get?
[04:04] <bob2> how do you normally install packages?
[04:04] <bob2> apt-get install libsdl-image1.2
[04:04] <bob2> dnielsen: broken = unusable
[04:05] <dnielsen> bob2, I know - I'm wellversed in the dark magic that is bugzilla
[04:05] <bob2> dnielsen: I more meant that stuff isn't actually installable now
[04:06] <biscuits> E: Couldn't find package libsdl-image1.2
[04:06] <jamaas> Can anyone give me a clue why I get an error message saying "cups server could not be contacted"?  If I reinstall about 12 cups packages it all works fine until I reboot?  This is a notebook that travels so that happens fairly often.  Thanks Jim
[04:06] <dnielsen> I know, I'm just saying a little while and I can start breaking stuff.. I just hope my monitor doesn't fry this time
[04:06] <stvn> biscuits: enable the universe
[04:07] <biscuits> ?
[04:07] <stvn> biscuits: unmcooment the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list or with synaptic
[04:11] <biscuits> ok sweet
[04:11] <biscuits> why were they commented out in the forst place?
[04:12] <stvn> biscuits: they are not supported by ubuntu devs
[04:12] <jamaas> Cups ... I've just ps -A and not a single cups process shows up, How do I start the cups server?
[04:12] <timothy`> Im liking ubuntu.
[04:12] <biscuits> ah ok
[04:12] <timothy`> I used to be gentoo
[04:12] <timothy`> the only thing I dont like is the outated ;-)
[04:12] <Gmail> timothy`: name me someone who isnt?
[04:13] <Gmail> timothy`: wait till hoary comes out
[04:13] <timothy`> next year?
[04:13] <stvn> timothy`: 6 months
[04:13] <spacey`ki> is it correct that ubuntu has really few video/audio codecs??
[04:14] <Gmail> timothy`:  i ment till the branch is working
[04:14] <stvn> spacey`ki: check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:15] <spacey`ki> ah yes thanks
[04:15] <spacey`ki> i see
[04:15] <timothy`> ill be back on gentoo in 6 months
[04:15] <timothy`> timothy@ubuntu:~ $ uname -a
[04:15] <timothy`> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Tue Oct 12 14:12:34 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:16] <spacey`ki> i'm surpised ubunta has gnome 2.8 but is still using xfree4.3
[04:16] <Nermal> timothy, any packages out of date in particular?
[04:16] <timothy`> GAIM
[04:16] <Nermal> what ver are they on
[04:16] <timothy`> x.. we need xorg!
[04:17] <Nermal> 1.0.2 is on gentoo..
[04:17] <timothy`> gaim 1.0.0
[04:17] <timothy`> yes
[04:17] <Nermal> hmm
[04:17] <Nermal> thats not too bad
[04:17] <timothy`> gentoo is source
[04:17] <timothy`> ;-)
[04:17] <Nermal> all the protocols still work
[04:17] <timothy`> i love my gentoo
[04:17] <timothy`> but all the errors
[04:17] <spacey`ki> need xorg and Firefox 1pre stuff
[04:17] <Nermal> hmm
[04:17] <timothy`> yes
[04:17] <spacey`ki> :p
[04:17] <Nermal> firefox 1.0 rc1 is out now :)
[04:17] <timothy`> xchat 2.4.0
[04:17] <timothy> damn
[04:17] <timothy> i dont know this dudes pass
[04:18] <Gmail> any chances on sun making a java deb?
[04:18] <TimothyKan> hey timothy
[04:18] <spacey`ki> yes xchat is outdated too
[04:18] <TimothyKan> you are using my nickname
[04:18] <timothy`> :(
[04:18] <spacey`ki> a few versions even
[04:18] <timothy`> my name was timothy first!
[04:18] <bob2> spacey`ki: x.org was too big if a change to manage before warty
[04:18] <spacey`ki> bob2, ok i can imagine that:)
[04:18] <seb128> xchat/gaim/... will be uptodate within a few day in hoary
[04:18] <Gmail> xchat 2 skipped to 2.4
[04:18] <seb128> perhaps today
[04:18] <timothy`> brb
[04:18] <Nermal> gah
[04:18] <Nermal> too many timothys
[04:18] <TimothyKan> actually you are wrong on that I registered timothy
[04:18] <Gmail> cool
[04:19] <spacey`ki> Gmail, still ubuntu has 2.0.8 and there was .9 and .10 before 2.4
[04:19] <Timothy> next time change it when I ask
[04:19] <spacey`ki> but i like ubuntu, like the clean desktop
[04:19] <Nermal> you didn't ask
[04:19] <Nermal> berk
[04:19] <bob2> Gmail: please don't
[04:19] <Nermal> brace!
[04:19] <Gmail> spacey`ki: yes but 2.0.10 came out after 2.4 as a bug fix
[04:20] <Striss> what is Hoary?
[04:20] <Gmail> bob2: i am swaping warty to hoary but not doing an apt-get update for a few days
[04:27] <Gmail> is the new version of java faster...? or what why should i use it?
[04:27] <jk24> Hello
[04:27] <jamaas> Help!!  :)  cupsys does not seem to be starting for me at boot   ... how can I correct this?  Thanks!
[04:29] <nimc> the firefox plugins dir is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[04:30] <Gmail> nimc: there are a few
[04:30] <cardador> nimc: mozilla-firefox i guess
[04:30] <Gmail> one is in your profi;e
[04:30] <nimc> i did ln to java there, and it doesnt seem to work
[04:31] <nimc> when i click on java stuff it still says the plugin is missing
[04:31] <Gmail> cardador: no put it in mozilla is better as other broswer look in there for plug ins like konquorer (i think i dont use itso i am not sure)
[04:31] <cardador> nimc: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:31] <nimc> and prefs / filetypes / plugins is empty
[04:31] <cardador> Gmail: yeah, probably you have a point
[04:31] <nimc> ah
[04:31] <nimc> lemme try
[04:32] <Gmail> nimc: goto edit > prefernces
[04:32] <Gmail> downloads > plug ins
[04:32] <Gmail> that your answer
[04:33] <Gmail> brb shawer
[04:33] <nimc> working........ thanks a lot
[04:33] <Gmail> np
[04:33] <bob2> jamaas: try asking on the ubuntu-users list
[04:34] <nimc> why is there a mozilla dir too in addition to mozilla-firefox ?
[04:36] <jamaas> bob2: is this really not the place for this type of question or are all the guru's just to shy!  ;)
[04:39] <Randomize> Heh, why is it I always run out of blank CDs when I need to burn a new dist?  /me grumbles.
[04:40] <bob2> jamaas: long debugging sessions are painful on IRC
[04:40] <sid77> Randomize, it is the new distro curse ;)
[04:41] <Randomize> Oh well, I'm sure if I look around hard enough I'll find my RC1 CD ... some year.
[04:42] <kent> bob2, asking on the mailinglist also make it so that theoretically any one else with that problem might find a solution. :)
[04:42] <sid77> lol, surely the curse will do this:
[04:43] <sid77> aaaargh
[04:43] <sid77> forgot what to type
[04:44] <Randomize> Heh, found it.  Wipe time.
[04:44] <Randomize> Back in a bit.  A little birdie tells me they fixed the typefind bug in Gstreamer cvs so I'm taking a looksee again.
[04:45] <jamaas> bob2: good point, if you google for my name ... you will find lots of them.  Not sure if I'm just lazy or really making some progress.  I suspect my challenges are common.  Thanks, that makes sense.O:-)
[04:46] <tedbundyjr> hello? how do i check the current space usage for burn:/// location?
[04:48] <bob2> kent: yes, that too
[04:48] <Loki|muh> hello
[04:49] <Loki|muh> i want to install dietlibc on a amd64, how can I do this since there is no amd64 package?
[04:49] <kent> tedbundyjr, I dont know, but opening it up and mark all the contents, and then rightclick on them and check properties..  ? that might work, not the best way though.
[04:49] <Loki|muh> can I tell apt to use the x86 package?
[04:51] <spacey`ki> Loki|muh, with a little bit of luck you could compile it?
[04:52] <Loki|muh> spacey`ki: sure, but then I cant use apt for updating ;)
[04:52] <tedbundyjr> kent: i tried it before but the properties only show information for one directory only, not all.
[04:52] <spacey`ki> Loki|muh, make your own package
[04:52] <tedbundyjr> burn:/// quite tricky :)
[04:53] <bob2> Loki|muh: what are you trying to do?
[04:53] <spacey`ki> a i368 dietlibc in 64bit system would not be of much use i think
[04:53] <bob2> yeah
[04:53] <bob2> it has to be ported, too
[04:54] <Loki|muh> bob2: this util-vserver wants to have a dietlibc because the normal libc is not safe in chroot enviroments it says
[04:54] <bob2> hah
[04:56] <teewurstmann> hey ho, everyone! humanity to others :)!
[04:56] <Loki|muh> bob2: so it would be best to compile the dietlibc myself?
[04:56] <teewurstmann> the cds havent been shipped yet?
[04:56] <bob2> Loki|muh: is that even possible?
[04:57] <bob2> teewurstmann: /topic
[04:58] <teewurstmann> bob: thanks, I read the topic, just wanted to make sure.... sometimes the topics are out of date
[04:59] <Xip> Anyone else encountering a problem on the live CD with Mozilla Firefox exiting for no reason when doing certain things?
[04:59] <bob2> Xip: file a bug?
[05:00] <Xip> Specifically, help-about mozilla firefox
[05:00] <Xip> I was first curious if this was just a problem with me screwing something up over here ;)
[05:01] <spacey`ki> will there be version upgrades in warty or is it really frozen like debian does such thing
[05:01] <bob2> it's released
[05:01] <bob2> if versions kept getting bumped, it wouldn't be a release
[05:02] <spacey`ki> so you don't update minor versions?
[05:02] <spacey`ki> at all? even if they are just bugfixes?
[05:02] <bob2> they're never just bug fixes
[05:02] <bob2> and "no"
[05:02] <bob2> that's what hoary is for
[05:02] <urukhai> hello
[05:02] <spacey`ki> ok
[05:03] <spacey`ki> i was just wondering
[05:03] <urukhai> my question is whether the fglrx-driver is in the amd64 ubuntu repository...
[05:03] <urukhai> cause i can't find it
[05:03] <spacey`ki> bob2, so you backport security fixes?
[05:03] <bob2> spacey`ki: yes
[05:03] <bob2> urukhai: you read the BinaryDriverHowto page?
[05:03] <urukhai> more than once
[05:04] <bob2> and it's not in universe?
[05:04] <urukhai> no...
[05:04] <bob2> er, restricted
[05:04] <urukhai> i suppose it could be related to the amd64 version i'm using...
[05:04] <bob2> what do you mean, version?
[05:04] <altan> anyone else having extremely slow speeds on Ubuntu primary server?
[05:04] <bob2> there's only one version of ubuntu in existence
[05:04] <urukhai> well i downloaded the amd64.iso from the ubuntu hp
[05:04] <spacey`ki> i think he means arch
[05:04] <urukhai> spacey`ki: yes
[05:04] <Xip> Okay, maybe I just burned a crappy CD.  I'm having issues doing all sorts of things I could do last night
[05:05] <bob2> Xip: check the md5sum
[05:05] <altan> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ <--- I'm getting really slow speeds in Synaptic, and from here, all other web sites work fine though
[05:05] <spacey`ki> i'm running amd64 too. but it seems that that the packages with all the cool codecs are only i386 ;/
[05:05] <altan> on dialup I'm getting 0.3kb/s from the primary server and 6-7kb/s from Germany
[05:06] <urukhai> spacey`ki: gdm won't run...it must be a graphic card issue
[05:06] <spacey`ki> no watching porn i guess :)
[05:06] <urukhai> so i wanted to install the fglrx drivers
[05:06] <Xip> bob2: md5sum on the file checked out good, I think my burner may be dying... or perhaps I have a nasty batch of discs
[05:06] <urukhai> vesa doens't work
[05:06] <spacey`ki> urukhai, gdm didn't run at first here either
[05:06] <spacey`ki> but i just copied XFree config from knoppix and voila
[05:06] <urukhai> so do you know what to do?
[05:06] <bob2> altan: try a different one, but archive.ubuntu.com has ungodly amounts of bandwidth
[05:06] <urukhai> hm well...
[05:07] <spacey`ki> urukhai, what graphics card do you have?
[05:07] <bob2> urukhai: the radeon driver doesn't work at all?
[05:07] <bob2> Xip: check the md5sum of the cd
[05:07] <nosilver4u> i had issues with gdm and an ati 8500, so there might be problems with that
[05:07] <urukhai> no doesn't work at all...i use a X800
[05:07] <urukhai> which works well under MEPIS linux however
[05:07] <nosilver4u> worked fine on a 7000 and a 9600 though
[05:07] <Xip> bob2:  Is that an option on boot like knoppix has?  I didn't look very carefully
[05:07] <bob2> urukhai: please ask on the list
[05:07] <bob2> Xip: no idea
[05:07] <Xip> I'll take a look.  Thank you
[05:08] <bob2> Xip: I was more thinking of the "md5sum" command
[05:08] <altan> bob2: nope, I'm using universe archive.ubuntu.com and getting 300-800 _bytes_ per second
[05:08] <urukhai> spacey`ki: could you help me with the config of the xfree86.config?
[05:08] <Xip> bob2:  I md5sum'ed the iso before the burn.  I didn't know there was an option to perform the same check on an already burned CD
[05:08] <spacey`ki> urukhai, well i never tried an ati card. but why don't you copy over the config from your MEPIS
[05:09] <tmartin> good morning all :)
[05:09] <Xip> bob2:  Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.  Not a whole lot of sleep last night
[05:09] <urukhai> cause i have overwritten MEPIS with ubuntu...
[05:09] <koffie> hello all
[05:09] <spacey`ki> urukhai, hehe:)
[05:09] <urukhai> but the file looks o.k. at first sight, dunno what could be wrong
[05:09] <spacey`ki> isn't mepis live cd?
[05:09] <cardador> urukhai: try to play with XF86conf, for instance change the driver to vesa
[05:10] <tmartin> its my second day using ubuntu and i  finally got around to shutting the lovely OS down but the actual power doesng go off,  seems to hang on the apci call.  Anyone else experience this?
[05:10] <urukhai> cardador: that is the problem - vesa does not work, strange...
[05:10] <urukhai> yeah i think mepis is a live cd
[05:10] <cardador> urukhai: try with lower resolutions, nr of colors
[05:10] <spacey`ki> urukhai, i'm sorry can't help you with X config, because i just don't know:) but if i were you i would pop in knoppix disk and copy that XFree config:)
[05:10] <urukhai> when selecting the vesa driver, the system hangs up while starting gdm
[05:11] <urukhai> vga driver does work...oh but it is ugly that one
[05:11] <cardador> but it works?
[05:11] <urukhai> the screen remains black
[05:11] <urukhai> just a ctrl-alt-del can do
[05:12] <koffie> hi all (again)
[05:12] <Gmail> hi koffie
[05:12] <Se7h> can someone help me enabling java here?
[05:12] <urukhai> hm i gotta try to copy the xfree conf from mepis then
[05:13] <urukhai> i'll tell you if it works, cya
[05:13] <koffie> anyone experience with ubuntu on ms virtual pc?
[05:13] <koffie> i'm having trouble getting my sound"card" to work
[05:15] <Loki|muh> bob2: on the website (http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/) is x86_64 mentioned to be supported ;)
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> lol koffie
[05:16] <koffie> not really ...
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> it happend to me
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> is it onboard?
[05:16] <koffie> virtual pc (emulated sb 16 pnp isa)
[05:17] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[05:18] <koffie> back
[05:19] <koffie> toen was ie dus stuk
[05:19] <koffie> iets raars met de batterij
[05:19] <koffie> die wilde ineens niet meer opladen en later wel
[05:19] <koffie> raar
[05:19] <koffie> maar goed
[05:23] <mrjive> does anybody knows who's the register of #ubuntu-it?
[05:23] <mrjive> i dicovered it today :)
[05:23] <mrjive> *discovered
[05:24] <Ubuntu> I registered this name!
[05:24] <tseng> congratulations.
[05:24] <mrjive> oh really :)
[05:24] <Ubuntu> Thank YOu Tsen
[05:24] <Ubuntu> ya, do a whois
[05:24] <mrjive> great!
[05:25] <mrjive> i don't think you are italian, though...
[05:25] <nosilver4u> yeah, the acpi shutdown call hangs on both my computers, so you're not alone
[05:25] <Ubuntu> naaa
[05:25] <mrjive> ok :)
[05:25] <mrjive> i'm trying to count italian users...
[05:26] <urukhai> it still does not work...
[05:26] <mrjive> for now i know less than ten
[05:26] <urukhai> damnit
[05:27] <Ubuntu> Hello urukhai, I am the head programmer of Ubuntu Linux!
[05:27] <urukhai> hello...so i guess you could help me
[05:27] <Seveas> Ubuntu, stop saying crap...
[05:27] <Ubuntu> ok
[05:27] <Ubuntu> fine
[05:28] <Seveas> please
[05:28] <urukhai> ah well...
[05:28] <izaac> =/
[05:29] <urukhai> does somebody else use the amd64.iso ubuntu?
[05:29] <izaac> dont look at me
[05:29] <RuffianSoldier> i ordered 10 of them, along with 10 i386 and 10 PPC
[05:30] <urukhai> use, not order
[05:30] <mrjive> c u later
[05:34] <urukhai> ...
[05:35] <koffie> struggling with ms_virtual_pc...  "isapnp: checksum for device 1 is not valid (0x89)" same goes for device 2 but then "isapnp: Card 'Sound Blaster 16'"
[05:39] <UnIData> in fedora type chkconfig xx(service)xx on,how i do in ubuntu ?
[05:40] <LinuxJones> UnIData, update-rc.d
[05:43] <UnIData> example for update-rc.d, please !
[05:43] <LinuxJones> UnIData, here is a pretty good tutorial >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[05:44] <Erix> does anyone use opera with ubuntu?
[05:45] <ThreeDayMonk> what's the command to restart the font server on ubuntu?
[05:46] <SuperQ> ThreeDayMonk: /etc/init.d/xfs restart
[05:46] <SuperQ> ThreeDayMonk: possibly
[05:46] <UnIData> thank you
[05:46] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperQ: not there - that's why I was asking :-)
[05:46] <SuperQ> ThreeDayMonk: hrm.. i have to boot my ubuntu box anyway
[05:46] <SuperQ> let me check
[05:47] <UnIData> where i find firebird ?
[05:47] <SuperQ> firebird?
[05:47] <SuperQ> you mean firefox?
[05:47] <UnIData> sorry, firebird  !
[05:48] <SuperQ> or thunderbird
[05:48] <SuperQ> hehe
[05:48] <jono> with /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid - what does the 'hid' bit mean?\
[05:48] <UnIData> firebird dbms
[05:48] <Seveas> UnIData, the mozilla browser is now called firefox, the mail client thunderbird the firebird database server can be found with apt-get or synaptic
[05:48] <SuperQ> jono: hid is usualy Human Interface Device
[05:48] <jono> right
[05:48] <jono> cheers
[05:48] <SuperQ> UnIData: oh.. a dbms
[05:49] <Erix> how can i install a downloaded .deb file?
[05:49] <Seveas> UnIData: apt-cache search firebird
[05:49] <jono> how can I found out a buttons keycode?
[05:49] <Seveas> Erix: dpkg -i debfile.deb
[05:49] <SuperQ> jono: oh.. damn.. i know that one..
[05:49] <Loki|muh> do you use alias eth0 MODULE_NAME? it isn't working for me
[05:49] <mxpxpod> does anyone here have one of the first generations of ibook g4's?
[05:50] <Erix> seveas: thank you.
[05:50] <jono> its not using xev is it?
[05:50] <jono> I see no key code
[05:50] <SuperQ> jono: yea..
[05:50] <SuperQ> jono: xev is correct
[05:50] <jono> where does it say the keycode?
[05:51] <LinuxJones> jono, you mean it's keyboard code # ?
[05:51] <jono> yeah
[05:51] <LinuxJones> jono, for like a the letter 'a" ?
[05:51] <SuperQ> ThreeDayMonk: it looks like ubuntu does not use an X font server by default
[05:51] <jono> basically, I have thsi:
[05:52] <jono> echo "1" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation
[05:52] <jono> echo "68" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode
[05:52] <jono> echo "87" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode
[05:52] <jono> but I want to know where you get the keycodes from
[05:52] <SuperQ> jono: xev
[05:52] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperQ: ah, I'll have to restart X then
[05:52] <LinuxJones> jono, ahh
[05:52] <SuperQ> jono: open a termain and run it
[05:52] <SuperQ> jono: when you press keys, it will show you keycodes
[05:52] <jono> but I want to know where you get the keycodes fromI probabbly dont see the keycode
[05:53] <sparkes> jono is this on your powerbook
[05:53] <jono> sparkes, yeah
[05:53] <SuperQ> KeyPress event, serial 23, synthetic NO, window 0x2c00001,
[05:53] <SuperQ>     root 0x94, subw 0x0, time 496062860, (940,-463), root:(945,280),
[05:53] <SuperQ>     state 0x0, keycode 38 (keysym 0x61, a), same_screen YES,
[05:53] <SuperQ>     XLookupString gives 1 bytes:  "a"
[05:54] <SuperQ> that's the output of pressing 'a' down
[05:54] <jono> press F11 SuperQ
[05:54] <jono> what key code?
[05:54] <SuperQ> KeyPress event, serial 24, synthetic NO, window 0x2c00001,
[05:54] <SuperQ>     root 0x94, subw 0x0, time 496103127, (956,-430), root:(961,313),
[05:54] <SuperQ>     state 0x0, keycode 95 (keysym 0xffc8, F11), same_screen YES,
[05:54] <SuperQ>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  ""
[05:54] <sparkes> jono rip off the keyboard and take a look under it, you'll see a matrix, this is where the keycodes come from, after that you might want to call apple for a repair ;-)
[05:54] <SuperQ> keycode 95
[05:55] <SuperQ> :)
[05:55] <jono> sparkes, thanks for the (useless) advice :P
[05:55] <SmokingFire> hi
[05:55] <jono> cheers SuperQ
[05:55] <LinuxJones> hi SmokingFire
[05:55] <SuperQ> np
[05:55] <sparkes> jono no probs that's what friends are for ;-)
[05:55] <jono> heh
[05:55] <jono> back soon
[05:56] <SmokingFire> Sometime ago I used a treebased personal information manager (done in python) but after reinstalling I forgot the name. Anyone has  a hint what it could have been?
[05:56] <sparkes> balls I was going to ask who I complain to about the ubuntu review in lf
[05:56] <LinuxJones> sparkes, what Ubuntu review ?
[05:57] <sparkes> LinuxJones, in LinuxFormat in the uk
[05:57] <El-Calipo> hello
[05:57] <SmokingFire> Aah it reminds me of AmigaFormat
[05:57] <sparkes> it gave the docs a bad review dispite the fact it must have been written about a sounder release
[05:57] <El-Calipo> a small question, eum is it possible to run wireless on ubuntu?
[05:57] <jdub> sparkes: got a scan?
[05:57] <sparkes> SmokingFire, it's some of the same guys
[05:57] <jdub> El-Calipo: definitely, ubuntu has great wifi support
[05:57] <sparkes> jdub, nope I just heard about it
[05:58] <El-Calipo> i saw the wizard but
[05:58] <LinuxJones> sparkes, that magazine costs like $30.00 here :)
[05:58] <SmokingFire> sparkes: cool, I liked the way amiga magazines wrote.
[05:58] <El-Calipo> in the device manager i see my wifi card
[05:58] <El-Calipo> but in the network manager i don't see it
[05:58] <sparkes> I'll get jono to sort a scan out on the sly
[05:58] <rcaskey> Does anyone have an x-serve? It's not on the Wiki's hardware support pages yet
[05:59] <lifeless> rcaskey: we do.
[05:59] <lifeless> if you're having trouble, I *know* thom installed some :)
[05:59] <rcaskey> life: i'm not
[05:59] <rcaskey> I don't even have one
[05:59] <rcaskey> I just would like to see it on the list
[05:59] <lifeless> righto.
[06:00] <lifeless> jdub: ^^^^ can you forward to the right folk please? I'm dead in the water
[06:00] <jdub> xserve info
[06:00] <jdub> ?
[06:00] <jdub> i think elmo, Kamion and thom would be the best people
[06:00] <rcaskey> under HardwareSupport
[06:00] <El-Calipo> anyone got experience with installing a wifi dlink card? :p
[06:04] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, there might be some help here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:05] <El-Calipo> will check it out thanks ;)
[06:05] <koffie> and i'm back again... damn my router
[06:07] <wes_> does ubuntu automatically use fonts equiv. to MS "cleartype" fonts..?
[06:07] <wes_> i have no complaints - everything looks great on my LCD..just wondering
[06:09] <El-Calipo> hm it says that it should work
[06:09] <El-Calipo> well i have the DWL-G650+ and the DWL-G650 should work fine
[06:09] <El-Calipo> it gets detected
[06:09] <El-Calipo> but in the network
[06:09] <El-Calipo> i can't find it
[06:10] <El-Calipo> using a cable and that works fine
[06:10] <whiprush> wes_: yeah, you should turn on Subpixel smoothing on in the font preferences thing. Fine tune it from there.
[06:10] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, have you configured it for static IP or DHCP ?
[06:11] <El-Calipo> should be dhcp but the wizard doesn't detect my wifi card
[06:11] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, is the module loaded for your card ?
[06:11] <wes_> whirl - i just got an LCD...first one..could you give me any pointers on setting up brightness/contrast?
[06:11] <El-Calipo> eum
[06:11] <El-Calipo> module hm?
[06:11] <El-Calipo> :p
[06:12] <wes_> i don't know what a good guideline is....or, if certain levels hurt the monitors lifespan..etc..
[06:12] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, lsmod | grep drivername
[06:12] <El-Calipo> i'm pretty new to this so i lost you lol
[06:12] <El-Calipo> :p
[06:12] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, is it the orinoco_cs support that you need ?
[06:12] <whiprush> wes_: not sure, I just usually leave the default settings on the LCD. For the fonts, click the details button and choose whatever looks best for you
[06:13] <El-Calipo> good question, the DWL-G650 is orinoco_cs but don't know if the G650+ is the same, and i can't seem to find that name in the device manager
[06:14] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, you can try sudo -s (to get to an administrative console) then do modprobe orinoco_cs
[06:14] <Acridien> hello
[06:15] <Acridien> I don't know how I screwed up my permissions but i did
[06:15] <Acridien> can't use nvidiaactl
[06:15] <El-Calipo> i typed that should it say something? :p
[06:15] <Acridien> nor sound dev
[06:15] <El-Calipo> i'm logged in as root now
[06:16] <Acridien> El-Calipo: repeat ?
[06:16] <LinuxJones> Acridien, ok now go Computer >> System Config >> Networking and see if it listed
[06:17] <jedthehumanoid> any1 sucessfully installed ubuntu onto a machine that needs a boot floppy?  I couldn't find any images on the install disk or on the website...
[06:17] <Acridien> LinuxJones: ??
[06:17] <Acridien> LinuxJones: it's about devices
[06:18] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I can't access them anymore
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Acridien, sorry taht wasn't for you it was for El-Calipo sorry :)
[06:18] <Acridien> LinuxJones: while other users can
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Acridien, you can't access any of your devices ?
[06:20] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i can acces my cd drives but i.e sound server and nvidia card is unreachable
[06:20] <LinuxJones> Acridien, did you create a new user account on your system ?
[06:20] <Acridien> LinuxJones: yup
[06:20] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i think it comes from this action
[06:21] <LinuxJones> Acridien, can you log back into the account that you installed Ubuntu with ?
[06:21] <Acridien> LinuxJones: na
[06:21] <El-Calipo> hm still don't see it but when i did the modprobe orinoco_cs does it have to say anything? cause it didn't
[06:21] <Acridien> LinuxJones: but other accounts work
[06:21] <Acridien> LinuxJones: only this one is screwed up
[06:21] <wes_> ubuntu is screaming on my athlon 1600xp/512ram
[06:21] <spacey`ki> screaming? is that good or bad? :P
[06:21] <rcaskey> wes: whip it good!
[06:22] <wes_> hehe. screaming speed wise...it's good..
[06:22] <LinuxJones> Acridien, that's odd
[06:22] <sysop> LinuxJones: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[06:22] <wes_> <compared to my old gentoo install..hehe>
[06:22] <rcaskey> mm..hrmm...What's the new wiki system going to be
[06:22] <spacey`ki> ahh its quite snappy yes.
[06:22] <spacey`ki> on my amd64 laptop
[06:22] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I compared permissions on files with another accoutns nothing seems different
[06:22] <jdub> rcaskey: zwiki
[06:22] <LinuxJones> sysop, ??
[06:23] <Acridien> LinuxJones: ?
[06:23] <LinuxJones> Acridien, any users that are created after install don't get full privilages from sudo this might be your problem
[06:23] <sysop> LinuxJones: Last evening in chat you had discussed wanting K3B under Gnome with Ubuntu...this how to help me set it up.
[06:23] <rcaskey> what caused the move?
[06:24] <wes_> spacey - who makes your laptop?
[06:24] <sysop> LinuxJones: sorry...just remembered and thought you might be interested...
[06:24] <LinuxJones> sysop, thanks for the info I appreciate it :)
[06:25] <wes_> only thing i can't figure out is why my KVM isn't working with ubuntu - the mouse acts crazy. I am using 1 monitor, 1 keyboard, and 2 mice :)
[06:25] <Acridien> LinuxJones: true but I set the account name in /etc/sudoers and parsed the file all seems ok
[06:25] <UnIData> where are the variable DocumentRoot from apache ?
[06:26] <El-Calipo> LinuxJones any other idea's? ;)
[06:26] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I even changed the privileges of other account too but I don't get the issue
[06:26] <LinuxJones> Acridien, mmm maybe the account has to be added to another group
[06:27] <koffie> l
[06:27] <UnIData> where are the variable DocumentRoot (apache) ?
[06:28] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, so modprobing that module didn't add the device to your system ?
[06:28] <Acridien> LinuxJones: O.o
[06:29] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I don't need groups
[06:29] <El-Calipo> it already is in the device manager but not in the network
[06:30] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, did you look in Computer >> Configuration >> Networking ?
[06:30] <El-Calipo> yep
[06:30] <El-Calipo> and i can't find it there
[06:31] <Deep7> can you download the ubunutu gnome theme somewhere....if you're not running ubuntu?
[06:31] <El-Calipo> when i try to add a network device you can choose
[06:31] <Acridien> LinuxJones: we should not be allowed to cancel an account if the session is active
[06:31] <El-Calipo> modem, ethernet, wireless, ...
[06:31] <El-Calipo> then i choose wireless obvious ;)
[06:31] <LinuxJones> Acridien, that's the only other thing that I can think of is that your user account have not been added the video or audio groups...sorry :)
[06:31] <El-Calipo> and then you have to select the wireless device but there's nothing in it
[06:31] <El-Calipo> i can typ something in there
[06:32] <El-Calipo> but wouldn't know what
[06:32] <altan> where do I put downloaded theme files?
[06:33] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, it should be found automatically if the correct module has been loaded. Strange if it is listed in Device Manager but not in Networking :(
[06:33] <Acridien> LinuxJones: Bravo
[06:33] <Acridien> LinuxJones: it was that
[06:33] <LinuxJones> Acridien, ;)
[06:33] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I just figured out
[06:33] <El-Calipo> and in the top bar you have the wireless monitor and there it also says "no wireless devices"
[06:33] <Acridien> LinuxJones: don't know why ?
[06:34] <LinuxJones> Acridien, regular users don't typically get access to the hardware config stuff
[06:35] <El-Calipo> gonna reboot and check if i get errors on startup
[06:35] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, good idea
[06:35] <Acridien> LinuxJones: the second account I created belongs to the right groups by default
[06:35] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, you can check the output of dmesg maybe first
[06:35] <Gunstick> hi, I' currently trying to do kernel stuff but get a bit lost between the ubuntu way and the linux way to do things
[06:35] <El-Calipo> it's currently rebooting ;)
[06:36] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, that's ok
[06:36] <Diabolo> 12 y 13 de nov no se pierdan el evento anual del cafelug www.cafelug.org.ar
[06:37] <Gunstick> has anyone experience in adding pwcx driver (philips webcam) ?
[06:38] <Diabolo> 12 y 13 de nov no se pierdan el evento anual del cafelug www.cafelug.org.ar
[06:38] <nitwoh> hello
[06:39] <nitwoh> root@ubuntu:/ # whois
[06:39] <nitwoh> bash: whois: command not found
[06:39] <nitwoh> (live cd)
[06:39] <El-Calipo> i got the same error :p
[06:39] <El-Calipo> and it isn't the live cd :p
[06:40] <UnIData> where are the variable DocumentRoot (apache) ?
[06:40] <El-Calipo> modprobe fatal error
[06:40] <El-Calipo> 2
[06:40] <nitwoh> so, I suppose it's a knowed bug :)
[06:41] <El-Calipo> i suppose :p
[06:41] <El-Calipo> perhaps there's an update no clue :)
[06:41] <El-Calipo> just installed it today, love it :)
[06:41] <Gunstick> anyone has a philips webcam?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> El-Calipo, maybe you could use ndiswrapper to try to get it working here are 2 links >> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List >> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation
[06:45] <william_> how do you format a floppy in linux?
[06:45] <Acridien> william_: dd i think
[06:46] <nitwoh> william_, gfloppy ?
[06:46] <El-Calipo> will look in to it
[06:47] <El-Calipo> but now i did something different where i had to choose the wireless device i typed wlan0
[06:47] <Erix> how can i install a kernel compiled for athlon-xp using apt?
[06:47] <El-Calipo> and i don't think it was smart to do that lol
[06:48] <Acridien> Erix: You should search for linux
[06:48] <Acridien> Erix: linuxxxxxx.i686
[06:48] <nitwoh> with ubuntu, the default irc charset is "ANSI_X3.4-1968" -> sucks
[06:48] <tolstoy> Is there an app a friend can run if his LCD screen doesn't (yet) work?
[06:49] <tolstoy> He installed using a KVM switch, and ubuntu thinks his LCD is something like 1900x1600.
[06:50] <nitwoh> see xfree86 config
[06:50] <Acridien> tolstoy can you ctrl alt F2 ?
[06:50] <Enes> I'm myself an bewbie but he could edit the XF86Config-4.
[06:50] <tolstoy> d'oh!  Was hoping for system-xfree-config, like on fedora.
[06:50] <Acridien> Enes: yup
[06:50] <tolstoy> Acridien, I think so.
[06:51] <Acridien> tolstoy try
[06:51] <Erix> Acridien: thanks
[06:51] <nitwoh> dpkg-reconfigure server-xfr....
[06:51] <tolstoy> Enes, well, I'll see if I can do that, over his shoulder.
[06:51] <Acridien> tolstoy lol
[06:51] <william_> how do you list programs that are using specific devices/resources
[06:52] <LinuxJones> tolstoy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (if you have modified your config file manually read the top of the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file)
[06:52] <tolstoy> LinuxJones, okay, that sounds good.  Maybe plug the monitor in "for real" and do that, eh?
[06:52] <LinuxJones> tolstoy, yes if possible :)
[06:52] <Enes> I've installed today Ubuntu, first of all he did't recognize my Radeon but I could fix it easily by editing the xf86config with nano. But I'cant get my Logitech Maouse to work (USB).
[06:53] <LinuxJones> william_, top
[06:53] <tolstoy> Damn distribution "just worked" for me, so I have no skillz to help friends! ;)
[06:53] <LinuxJones> tolstoy, heh
[06:56] <Enes> Does anyone know how I can check without a gui if ubuntu recognizes my usb devices?
[06:56] <tolstoy> Damn! Just went to his desk.  He's gone.  But there's ubuntu running clear as day.  You try to help someone... ;)
[06:57] <william_> Linuxjones: i want to see what is using fd0 isnt their a util you can use |grep fd0 with?
[06:58] <LinuxJones> william_, you can't locate fd0 ?
[06:59] <william_> Linuxjones: i Want to umount it but its in 'use' again!
[06:59] <Acridien> william_: did you close nautilus
[07:00] <william_> Acridien: yeah except for the desktop
[07:00] <Acridien> william_: :-)
[07:00] <bratsche> Does anyone else here have any issues with locale/lang?
[07:01] <bratsche> e.g.:
[07:01] <william_> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[07:01] <william_> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[07:01] <bratsche> svn: error: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale
[07:01] <bratsche> svn: error: environment variable LANG is en_US
[07:01] <LinuxJones> william_, you can't be in the floppy directory in console either
[07:01] <Acridien> william_: killall
[07:01] <rcaskey> whew, I just learned something I wish I didn't need to know ;)
[07:01] <Acridien> rcaskey: what?
[07:01] <Baste> hi
[07:01] <rcaskey> grep -a -B -A200 "<?php " /dev/hda3 >> recovery_log.txt
[07:02] <Baste> Ubuntu work with wirless Dlink 520?
[07:03] <Baste> ?
[07:03] <william_> still does not work!
[07:03] <Baste> why? :(
[07:03] <LinuxJones> Baste, looks like your good  to go >>http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport_2fComponents_2fWirelessNetworkCards
[07:03] <Baste> thx
[07:08] <skar> hi, i'm using quanta for web development, now when i click tool->spell, it is saying ispell not found in path or not installed, however i've installed ispell and it is located at /usr/bin/ispell which is obviously in the $PATH var, anyone has an idea about this?
[07:08] <skar> anyone know of a good html to pdf converter preserving links within a html page?
[07:10] <Acridien> hey are you sure we need to md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[07:10] <Acridien> before dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? won't dpkg md5sum later ?
[07:12] <mjr> iirc it doesn't want to meddle with the file if it's been modified by hand
[07:12] <mjr> so themd5sum bit fools it to think so
[07:12] <mjr> umm, that it hasn't, that is
[07:12] <spiv> Acridien: See the comment at the top of XF86Config-4 :)
[07:13] <Acridien> spiv: yeah i read but i was curious to understand how dpgk acted
[07:13] <Enes> I have a Mainboard with SiS Chipset, and can't use my Logitech MX 500 (USB), it would be nice if someone could help.
[07:14] <Acridien> MX 500 ?
[07:14] <Acridien> wait
[07:16] <Acridien> Enes: mine is MX 500 or something too
[07:16] <Acridien> Enes: it works
[07:17] <Acridien> Enes: do you want my XF86config settings ?
[07:17] <Enes> Acridien, yes the part with mouse, please.
[07:17] <Baste> 509 mb this is cd ubuntu or live ubuntu?
[07:18] <mxpxpod> how do I watch dvd's using ubuntu's default setup?
[07:18] <bratsche> Nevermind, I think I fixed the locale problem by setting LANG=C
[07:19] <dimus> did anyone try to use MOL (mac on linux) with ppc ubuntu?
[07:26] <quique> join #ubuntu-es
[07:30] <Striss> is there a way to software modify the brightness/contrast of the monitor in ubuntu?
[07:30] <Striss> i'm on an iMac so i have no way to change it directly on the monitor
[07:33] <ficusplanet> Striss, What kind of video card do you have?
[07:34] <Striss> just a rage 128 pro
[07:35] <sjoerd> Striss: if their are brigness buttons on your tobo, you can probably bind them in ``keyboard shortcuts''
[07:35] <sjoerd> Striss: not sure if that works on an imac though...
[07:41] <Cygnia> Hi everyone; how do you add fluxbox to GDM Login after installing with Synaptic?
[07:41] <Striss> whats a tobo?
[07:48] <Javi> Hola, una preguntilla, alguin sabe cmo est configurado Ubuntu, para que funcione tan bien el sonido ??
[07:49] <trans_err> i'm trying to resize a partition with parted and it tells me that my ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout... any ideas?
[07:50] <Javi> sorry, i want to write it on other channel ..
[08:02] <trans_err> how can I convert an ext3 -> ext2 (ie. delete the journal)
[08:02] <michel_v> well just mount it as ext2
[08:02] <michel_v> it will ignore the journal
 i'm trying to resize a partition with parted and it tells me that my ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout... any ideas?
[08:04] <trans_err> Eno_, yeah
[08:04] <trans_err> Eno_, parted won't do a thing with ext3
[08:05] <Eno_> i had that problem too. i used partition magic, it isn't free, though
[08:05] <Eno_> ahh
[08:05] <altan> oof, I'm having trouble with nautilus CD recorder, it keeps asking me for a blank CD
[08:05] <trans_err> michel_v, I can't mount it
[08:05] <altan> only information on forums regarding it was people having to install k3b
[08:05] <trans_err> Eno_, If I can convert it back to an ext2 I should be fine
[08:05] <Eno_> ok
[08:06] <altan> can anyone help?
[08:07] <Javi> Altan, why don't you want install k3b ?
[08:07] <trans_err>  ext3->ext2 is tune2fs -O ^has_journal
[08:08] <fsc> isn't there some standard way in debian to switch editors so that say vi points to gvim instead of vim?
[08:08] <trans_err> if anyone else ever needs it
[08:08] <altan> Javi: I don't really want any KDE stuff
[08:08] <noisome> heya all
[08:08] <noisome> what's the major discussion now?
[08:09] <fsc> noisome, we were discussing you until you joined the channel
[08:09] <kent> trans_err, are you sure it works with that? I tried to make my ext3 into ext2 so that parted could use it, since it complained. But i never got parted working with that change.
[08:09] <quique> XD
[08:09] <noisome> how perfect i was?  thanks..  i do appreciate it =)
[08:09] <trans_err> kent, yeah me neither- looks like i'm stuck
[08:10] <wind> i'm having some problems getting my wacom intuos usb working..
[08:10] <kent> trans_err, if you can backup important data, you could just wipe the partitions..  But i had to wipe 'em all without beeing able to back something :(
[08:10] <wind> the cursor just goes to the top left corner whenever i try to use the Pen/mouse
[08:10] <trans_err> kent, yeah- but that means I need to find something to back up onto
[08:11] <wind> top right even..
[08:12] <noisome> monkey
[08:12] <kent> trans_err, kind of strange that parted does not work with partitions created by some distributions. My partition was created by Fedora Core1, i think. And i could never get it working..
[08:12] <Craigory> Hello all.  When I insert a CD or USB drive no icon appears in the Disks folder.  I can mount the CD or usbkey manually using "mount".  I have enabled auto-mounting in my gnome preferences.  udev, hal, hotplug, and gnome-volume-manager are installed.
[08:12] <trans_err> kent, i read about it- it's a bug in e2fsprog
[08:14] <Craigory> Does anyone know how I might troubleshoot such a problem?
[08:15] <noisome> Not I.  I'm fairly new to the Linux thing, but it is being seen..
[08:15] <kent> Craigory, bugzilla?
[08:16] <Craigory> Checking bugzilla, will return...
[08:16] <noisome> so, how are you all doing?
[08:16] <kent> Craigory, I meant that you could file a bug, not check for bugs.
[08:16] <noisome> lol
[08:17] <Javi>  hi, people, do you know how is Ubuntu sound system configured ? I'd like my debian sound system like my ubuntu sound system, but I can't find diff on configuration, but ubuntu is better than debian on this feature
[08:19] <Craigory> Sound system?  Do you mean alsa or the default gnome sounds?
[08:19] <noisome> Anyone's opinion on if Ubuntu is one of the better Debian distros?  Which ones are better, or is it the best in your opinion?
[08:20] <Javi> Both, but more alsa config
[08:20] <vrln> ubuntu is the best by far imo
[08:20] <Craigory> Here is another interesting thing about my problem:  In Device Manager, I see that the CD I insert is recognized by the system.  It knows the CD is there, what the label of the CD is, etc... it just doesn't mount it.
[08:20] <quique> i haven't received my cd's yet :/
[08:20] <quique> but i guess i'll miss kde
[08:20] <Javi> I can play gnome sounds notify, amarok and rhythmbox and play togheter !!
[08:20] <jmhodges> anyone here played with jython and have a recommendation on which version to use? (stable, unstable or testing, i mean)
[08:20] <Javi> on debian I can't play rhythmbox and play
[08:21] <Craigory> So, this is probably a settings problem.  I migrated from unstable to ubuntu, so maybe my /etc/fstab is not correct??
[08:21] <noisome> vrln: why is it the best iyo?  What sold you?
[08:21] <jdub> Craigory: add yourself to the plugdev group
[08:22] <aksn> hi...
[08:22] <noisome> hiya aksn
[08:22] <aksn> how long does it take to receive the ubuntu cd's via mail?
[08:22] <Craigory> jdub: I'm already in the plugdev group.  Good idea, though.
[08:23] <jdub> aksn: they're shipping in november
[08:23] <noisome> when it is updated (i believe) it will be sent, view topic...
[08:23] <jdub> aksn: see topic :)
[08:23] <noisome> lol
[08:23] <jdub> noisome: no, the final release is done
[08:23] <aksn> ups...
[08:23] <aksn> ok, thanks :)
[08:24] <quique> ah, ok. i'll be patient :)
[08:24] <noisome> jdub: ah that's cool...
[08:25] <quique> they will only ship install cd's?
[08:25] <quique> no live-cd's?
[08:26] <jdub> quique: it's a two cd set for i386, install cd + live cd
[08:26] <vrln> noisome: it just works, and I've used Debian Sid for a long time so ubuntu is a logical choice
[08:26] <vrln> project utopia out of the box is nice too
[08:27] <iz> project utopia ?
[08:27] <vrln> hal+dbus
[08:28] <noisome> i'm not good for much, but how can a n00b help Ubuntu?
[08:29] <ficusplanet> noisome, Submit bug reports.
[08:29] <thomaes> hello, can anybody tell me how to mount a cd image with ubuntu? with mount -o loop /path/image.iso /media/iso i always get the message: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[08:29] <noisome> oh yeah... good question thomaes..  me too
[08:29] <quique> jdub: thanks! i'm looking forward to gettin' them
[08:30] <wind> thomaes: modprobe loop
[08:30] <nullboy> Hey Y'all:  can i do a hard drive install of ubuntu?  I've got the warty iso, but no burner.  Currently running sarge, aching for gnome 2.8
[08:30] <ficusplanet> thomaes, Why do you need to mount them?  If you just need a file, you can open the iso in file-roller.
[08:30] <iz> mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
[08:30] <cardador> thomaes: add loop to /etc/modules
[08:30] <bigbrother0074> on synaptic, it's asking if i want to update gdm.conf....do i want to do that?
[08:30] <michel_v> nullboy: not that I know (I tried booting the cd's kernel by copying the cd on a free partition, it didn't work)
[08:31] <wind> now.. how do i configure my wacom intuos 1 under ubuntu?
[08:31] <thomaes> thanks wind
[08:31] <thomaes> thanks iz, i'll try
[08:31] <ficusplanet> bigbrother0074, If you haven't really changed the config before, you might as well.
[08:32] <ficusplanet> bigbrother0074, Doing so will override your current GDM config - startup sound, theme, XDMCP, etc.
[08:32] <bigbrother0074> ficusplanet: oh, i understand...i've changed stuff like that, but it's nothing i can't change back, right?
[08:32] <wind> i have modprobed the wacom module and the evdev.. and added some lines to my xfconf.. but the cursor just moves to the upper right corner of the screen..
[08:32] <ficusplanet> bigbrother0074, Right.
[08:32] <bigbrother0074> ficusplanet: what's XDMCP?
[08:33] <nullboy> thanks michael, no floppy install sucks.
[08:33] <ficusplanet> bigbrother0074, Allowing other PCs to connecto to your X server (X -query [ip address] ) basically.
[08:33] <thomaes> iz: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[08:33] <thomaes>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:33] <thomaes>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[08:33] <thomaes>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[08:33] <noisome> how about this?  google searched not found... undefined symbol: __glutRoot
[08:33] <bigbrother0074> ficusplanet: oh, i don't think i'm concerned w/ that
[08:35] <ThreeDayMonk> I found a weird bug.  The lower case r in Vera Sans doesn't italicise properly at 14pt
[08:36] <Gunstick> i is very frustrating to get the pwcx driver back into ther kernel :-(
[08:37] <bigbrother0074> what would i use for ssh?
[08:37] <bigbrother0074> i've used putty in the past...
[08:38] <jdub> bigbrother0074: 'ssh' :)
[08:38] <ThreeDayMonk> wind: I have a wacom, and I'd love to know how to configure it - I have the same problem as you
[08:38] <bigbrother0074> jdub: i didn't know if there was a gui prgm...i'm unfamiliar w/ command line stuff
[08:38] <cardador> bigbrother0074: you can use nautilus for it
[08:39] <ficusplanet> bigbrother0074, Yeah, the nautilus "Connect to server..." tool is great for filesharing with SSH.
[08:39] <bigbrother0074> Ohmer, ok
[08:39] <bigbrother0074> oops...i meant 'oh, ok'
[08:39] <jdub> that's for copying files though, not for command line access
[08:40] <ThreeDayMonk> nautilus's ssh browsing _rocks_
[08:40] <jdub> bigbrother0074: if you want to have command line access to a machine, just type 'ssh <machine-name>'
[08:40] <jdub> putty is actually in universe, but there's not much point using it
[08:40] <bigbrother0074> i see
[08:42] <altan> i'm setting up ubuntu on a 400mhz/64mb machine, hope it works
[08:42] <Striss> i'm running it on a 400mhz mac
[08:42] <jdub> the desktop won't be great with 64MB RAM
[08:43] <altan> heh
[08:43] <Craigory> If no one can solve this problem here, I will post this to bugzilla: When I run "pmount /dev/hdc" I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, ..." but when I run "mount /dev/hdc /media/hdc" it works fine and a Nautilus window automatically opens.  Ideas?
[08:43] <jdub> do you need the GUI, or do you just want it for a server?
[08:43] <altan> jdub I'm hoping to get more memory soon, hopefully tomorrow
[08:43] <altan> jdub I'm going to install fluxbox
[08:43] <altan> it's going to be used for word processing and web browsing
[08:43] <jdub> ok, best to install the full desktop then
[08:43] <jdub> and just switch WM when you're using it
[08:43] <altan> i'm going to ditch openoffice though
[08:44] <sjoerd> Craigory: if you get that message, is the media then actually mounted or not (pmount tries various fs)
[08:44] <altan> did i miss something? i can't choose packages on install, can i?
[08:44] <jdub> altan: no
[08:44] <altan> ok, "best to install the full desktop then" kinda confused me
[08:44] <thomaes> hi, can anybody help me, when i type mount wb_esp.img /media/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 i get the message mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[08:45] <thomaes> i want to mount a cd-image to /media/iso
[08:45] <jdub> well, the other option is booting the installer with 'custom', but that's going to make life harder for you (it's really for setting up server installs)
[08:45] <Craigory> jdub: pmount causes no new entry to /dev/hdc, no icon in Disks folder, and message "Error: mount failed".
[08:45] <Craigory> jdub: I meant no new entry in /etc/mtab
[08:47] <CamdenBuzard> hi everybody
[08:48] <CamdenBuzard> I got ubuntu installed, but I'm having a problem with the network
[08:48] <CamdenBuzard> can anybody spare a few minutes?
[08:48] <wind> CamdenBuzard, tell us!
[08:48] <CamdenBuzard> neato
[08:48] <CamdenBuzard> ok, so the install went perfectly, but when I logged in, my network didn't work
[08:49] <CamdenBuzard> ifconfig told me that my dhcp was trying to discover, and that packets had been both sent and received
[08:49] <CamdenBuzard> so I tried running dhclient manually, and got the error "send_packet: Message too long"
[08:50] <CamdenBuzard> I tried manually setting an ip address, and pings went through after that, but pages wouldn't load.
[08:50] <thomaes> hello, can anybody tell me how to mount a cd-image? when i type mount -o loop myiso.iso /media/iso i get the message: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted filesystems"
[08:50] <CamdenBuzard> and so here I am.
[08:51] <cardador> thomaes: add loop to /etc/modules
[08:51] <thomaes> cardador, i have, and i have already rebootet the system
[08:51] <bipolar> is anyone connecting to GroupWise with Evolution?
[08:51] <tmp> thomas: add loop to /etc/modules, and "sudo modprobe loop"
[08:52] <cardador> thomaes: try mount -o loop -t iso9660 iso.iso /media/iso
[08:52] <wind> CamdenBuzard, try adding your Dns to /etc/resolv.conf
[08:52] <wind> your isps dns even :)
[08:53] <CamdenBuzard> hmmm.... ok. will do.
[08:53] <thomaes> cardador, the same error message
[08:53] <cardador> thomaes: what happens when you double click the iso?
[08:54] <CamdenBuzard> those are already there
[08:54] <cardador> a regular iso should be opened with file roller
[08:54] <CamdenBuzard> the dchp did work during the install
[08:54] <CamdenBuzard> just not now.
[08:56] <CamdenBuzard> is there a way to set ethernet devices MTU through ifconfig?
[08:57] <nullboy> so, gentlefolk, am i to understand that there's no way from sarge to warty w/o a burned iso?  I've got the iso, it just no burner.
[08:59] <LinuxJones> CamdenBuzard, it's like an mtu # I think
[09:00] <LinuxJones> CamdenBuzard, Have a peek @ the man page
[09:00] <LinuxJones> CamdenBuzard, to be sure
[09:00] <CamdenBuzard> hmmm... okay. thanks
[09:01] <tmp> nullboy: it could be done
[09:02] <nullboy> yeah, tmp?
[09:02] <thomaes> cardador, thanks, it works!
[09:02] <tmp> but it 'll be a lot better if u get it burned
[09:02] <nullboy> can you point me to a url?
[09:03] <wind> I still havent gotten my wacom board working correctly.. Does anyone now anything about setting up these things under limnux?
[09:04] <cardador> thomaes: np
[09:04] <LinuxJones> wind, >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom I don't know if it works tho I don't have a wacom pad ;)
[09:05] <tmp> nullboy: u'll have to add ubuntu to sources.list with a higher priority and hope it works :)
[09:05] <wind> LinuxJones, -been there.. Know it almost by heart :)
[09:06] <monteiro> i've installed a java runtime , and the java 1.5 that i had was erased :(( , i uninstalled that runtime and tryed to install again java1.5 but when i write java in the console says command not found :((
[09:06] <LinuxJones> wind, heh so it doesn't work I take it :(
[09:06] <tmp> nullboy: it seems it depends a lot on the packages installed, i tried it and failed, me friend has a bastard child of sarge and ubuntu running along in his house like a breeze
[09:06] <rapha> Hi all!
[09:07] <rapha> How do you use apt-get to get the source and build dependancies for a package again?
[09:07] <cardador> monteiro: did you add java to your PATH?
[09:08] <LinuxJones> rapha, apt-get source
[09:09] <rapha> Thx LinuxJones
[09:09] <mdz> LinuxJones: apt-get build-dep <package> to install the build-deps
[09:09] <nullboy> tmp: oh, you mean just apt-get dist-upgrade with ubuntu apt sources, huh.
[09:09] <LinuxJones> mdz, ahh that's it
[09:09] <rapha> Thx mdz, too
[09:09] <mdz> tmp: it will fail in strange and unexpected ways
[09:09] <rapha> LinuxJones: And how do I make my own .deb from it?
[09:10] <tmp> nullboy: search the mailing list or wiki, i remember reading something about this there
[09:10] <Kirsch> hey all, i'm trying to set up my multimedia keys, i need to edit a file to bind the key to a code, anyone know where that file is?
[09:11] <monteiro> cardador : yes, i made an export and stuff
[09:11] <monteiro> but nothing
[09:11] <nullboy> tmp: yeah, that looked scarry too.  no, i was looking for a fresh install booting from floppy or a debian netinst nightly or a linspire live cd, i have those to boot off of.  can i debbootstrap off one of these?
[09:11] <tmp> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[09:11] <cardador> monteiro: are you sure you exported the correct path?
[09:11] <nullboy> tmp: i'll check it out.  cheers.
[09:12] <enrico> hi there you all
[09:12] <tmp> nullboy: nullboy : np m8
[09:12] <enrico> all: what kind of divx player would u suggest?
[09:12] <tmp> nullboy: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/NetbootInstallHowto
[09:12] <sparkes> Kamion, thanks for the polite reply to ~piranha, I kept my reply to his message off list, I find it hard not to feed the trolls sometimes :-(
[09:13] <nullboy> tmp: that's even better
[09:13] <tmp> nullboy: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fUpgradeNotes
[09:13] <tmp> nullboy: last one is upgrade from woody
[09:13] <cardador> monteiro: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[09:14] <tmp> nullboy: buy me a beer when you are done :P
[09:15] <monteiro> cardador : thanx
[09:15] <cardador> monteiro: de nada ;)
[09:16] <monteiro> cardador : portugues ?
[09:16] <cardador> monteiro: sim
[09:16] <monteiro> de onde ?
[09:20] <netmonk> hello all
[09:20] <netmonk> need help with acpi, someone?
[09:21] <Kamion> rcaskey: apparently we forgot to get the xserve kernel patches into warty :-( there's a bug filed in bugzilla about that if you want to fish out the patch
[09:21] <ftwig> ime having a problem setting up apache2/mysql/php4 - I get
[09:21] <ftwig> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/singleparents.org.uk/lib/db.inc on line 18
[09:24] <moyote> Was wondering if someone could explain this: Error: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp and also pciehp??
[09:25] <cris> hotplug
[09:25] <moyote> fix?
[09:25] <cris> blacklist them
[09:25] <altan> moyote: I just got that while installing ubuntu on an older machine
[09:26] <moyote> Yea, ubuntu is on an 800 duron mobo. No problems running it, but my main box doesn' t get the same. Just wondering.
[09:26] <Tyro> Hello All :) just installed ubuntu to hard drive
[09:26] <Tyro> could some one help with changing grub from my Mepis install?
[09:27] <Tyro> Ubuntu is on hdb1
[09:27] <cris> and ubuntu bootloader ?
[09:28] <Tyro> did not use - did not want to change existing automaticaly
[09:28] <solaris_uv> in grub menu press "c"
[09:29] <Tyro> k
[09:29] <solaris_uv> and enter command mode
[09:29] <Tyro> k
[09:29] <solaris_uv> then type :
[09:29] <Tyro> k
[09:29] <solaris_uv> root (hd0,0)
[09:30] <Kaloz> re
[09:30] <tmartin> has anyone ever had a problem with their computer not powering off at the end of the shutdown sequence?
[09:30] <Tyro> should that be hdb1,0 ?
[09:30] <rcaskey> Where is the appropriate place to root about looking for packages that are in Debian's contrib?
[09:30] <Kirsch> i'm using a laptop, is there anyway to have it so that if i tap the touchpad, it will NOT click?
[09:31] <solaris_uv> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro
[09:31] <solaris_uv> sorry (hd1,0)
[09:31] <rcaskey> I'm looking for fop, fomerly fop-java
[09:32] <solaris_uv> then  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:32] <Tyro> k
[09:32] <solaris_uv> and then type "boot"
[09:32] <stuNNed> how do i check the status of daemons in /etc/init.d ?
[09:32] <Kaloz> Kirsch: i'm not sure, but try tweaking the config of X (eg. xfree86-driver-synaptics)
[09:32] <thomaes> hello, can anybody tell me how to define a shared folder in the smb network? i can't find a tool for that
[09:33] <Tyro> ok, does that alter grub for next boot as well?
[09:33] <solaris_uv> nope
[09:33] <solaris_uv> that is getting u in ubuntu
[09:34] <rcaskey> I noticed that there is an empty http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/fop/
[09:34] <solaris_uv> u want to alter it ?
[09:34] <Tyro> ok I'll need to use those commands in menue.lst -yes?
[09:34] <rcaskey> does that mean that fop isn't built for ubuntu?
[09:34] <Tyro> *menu
[09:35] <Tyro> yes want to make it multiboot
[09:35] <solaris_uv> K then
[09:35] <rcaskey> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/fop/ has src but no binaries
[09:36] <solaris_uv> alter your mepis bootloader (i think is grub ?)
[09:36] <solaris_uv> like this
[09:36] <solaris_uv> "root (hd1,0)" -- first line
[09:36] <thomaes> hello, can anybody tell me how to define a shared folder in the smb network? i can't find a tool for that
[09:36] <solaris_uv> chainloader +1
[09:37] <solaris_uv> -- second line
[09:37] <solaris_uv> and on top of them :
[09:37] <solaris_uv> "title Ubuntu"
[09:37] <thomaes> cardador, do you know how to define a shared folder in the smb network? i can't find a tool for that
[09:38] <cardador> thomaes: the easiest way is to use SWAT
[09:38] <cardador> install it with synaptic
[09:38] <thomaes> ok
[09:40] <Tyro> solaris_uv: Thanks will try that now, catch you later :)
[09:40] <thomaes> cardador, how do i start swat?
[09:40] <cardador> thomaes: with firefox :=
[09:40] <cardador> :)
[09:40] <thomaes> oh
[09:41] <thomaes> what do i have to type?
[09:41] <cardador> wait
[09:41] <cardador> localhost:901
[09:44] <imka> good evening
[09:44] <cardador> thomaes: first edit /etc/inetd,conf, and uncomment the last line, the one that has swat
[09:45] <cardador> thomaes: then, sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[09:45] <cardador> thomaes: finally, put localhost:901 on firefox
[09:46] <Matt|> hey guys, what is lvm????
[09:47] <psyklops> psst, `man lvm`
[09:47] <sven-eric> Hi! I'm looking for a gui cd-burning app for gnome - i know nautilus has one integrated, but i think it has no option to burn iso's.
[09:47] <psyklops> right click the iso
[09:48] <stuNNed> psyklops, nautilus can burn iso's nowadays??
[09:48] <devolve> sven-eric--- l ike k3b (guess thats K)
[09:48] <devolve> but arson should do the job
[09:48] <psyklops> uh yeah it can...
[09:48] <devolve> you can look at www.etree.org
[09:48] <psyklops> right click the iso and it says has a burn option
[09:48] <devolve> they got lotsa cool music apps for linux there...
[09:48] <psyklops> heh... -says
[09:49] <sven-eric> psyklops is right - nautilus can do iso if you right klick... i just didn't see it before. Thanks!
[09:49] <psyklops> sometimes it doesn't work though
[09:49] <stuNNed> whoa
[09:49] <psyklops> someone was in here yesterday I think saying it made a few coasters...
[09:49] <psyklops> he filed a bug report
[09:49] <devolve> works fine with me.. but i have an old 8x burner
[09:49] <stuNNed> ouch
[09:49] <imka> i've just checked out the live cd and it's flawless
[09:50] <devolve> I have the 64 bit running now...
[09:50] <Tomcat_> I'll try it tomorrow... I really hope it's good. :o
[09:50] <devolve> livecd wont work on 64bit...
[09:50] <Tomcat_> Really want to see if my old laptop can take it.
[09:50] <devolve> man, getting all the firefox plugins can be a pain...
[09:50] <psyklops> like which?
[09:50] <stuNNed> devolve, try multiverse
[09:51] <psyklops> I got flash and mplayer... what more do you need? :)
[09:51] <devolve> there are some feeds that come in win32codecs that are like launched from javascript so you cant mplayer them...
[09:51] <devolve> like ifilm
[09:52] <psyklops> hm... let me check if I can do those...
[09:52] <devolve> quicktimes kind of a pain too... unless you have crossover office
[09:52] <Hikaru79> Hmm, I have a question about importing pictures from my digital camera
[09:52] <Hikaru79> I hooked it up to USB
[09:52] <Hikaru79> It connected fine
[09:53] <psyklops> works...
[09:53] <Hikaru79> It showed all the thumbnails of the photos
[09:53] <Hikaru79> And I checked to see if I can DELETE photos and I can
[09:53] <Hikaru79> But when I try to actually import one, nothing happens
[09:53] <Hikaru79> I set a destination and stuff. I click on the picture. But when I press "Import", simply nothing happens
[09:53] <Hikaru79> Any ideas? =S
[09:53] <swifty> I tried to use my dlink dwl-520+ wlan nic, but i did't get a ip from the dhcp-server. I also tried to set up the ip manually, but that did't work either. It's works fine in windows xp. Tip, anyone?
[09:54] <Matt|> swifty, ooh this is gonna be a fun one
[09:54] <Matt|> swifty, i have a 650+ mebbe it is similar
[09:54] <Mithrandir> swifty: you need to download the firmware.
[09:54] <Mithrandir> I have a 520+ in the box I'm typing this on, so it certainly works.
[09:54] <Mithrandir> swifty: i386 or amd64?
[09:54] <devolve> swifty, you have pump installed?
[09:55] <swifty> i386
[09:55] <swifty> pump?.p
[09:55] <psyklops> yep... devolve...
[09:55] <psyklops> mplayerplug-in alone and I can play ifilm
[09:55] <devolve> psyclops, you playing ifilm on mplayer?
[09:55] <psyklops> (oh, not alone, don't forget w32codecs)
[09:55] <Matt|> swifty, the driver that you need is here: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ Follow the links to the howto and follow the instructions. it should be relatively straightforward
[09:55] <devolve> mplayerplug-in
[09:55] <devolve> ?
[09:55] <psyklops> yes
[09:55] <Mithrandir> Matt|: it's included in the kernel already.
[09:55] <devolve> you used the debian mplayer howto?
[09:55] <swifty> uhm.. ubuntu aleredy installed the acx100 module?
[09:55] <swifty> So, i need to install a new one?
[09:56] <psyklops> you have to manually set your player
[09:56] <psyklops> what howto?
[09:56] <devolve> guess not
[09:56] <psyklops> :)
[09:56] <Matt|> Mithrandir, really?
[09:56] <Matt|> Mithrandir, didn't work for me I had to rebuild it
[09:56] <thomaes> cardador, it works, but i don't know how to define a shared folder :(
[09:56] <devolve> psyklops, how did you set your player?
[09:56] <psyklops> you have mplayer working?
[09:56] <Mithrandir> swifty: you just need to grab the firmware from the windows driver.
[09:57] <psyklops> theres a link under the autodetection thingamabob
[09:57] <psyklops> lets you select your player yourself
[09:57] <devolve> yes, I have mplayer working .  had to start it once with the -oss option, but it works now without me doing that...
[09:57] <psyklops> pick any one of them (I think) and it should work
[09:57] <cardador> thomaes: dont you have a share tab?
[09:58] <devolve> psyklops, while you are there, check out the Aphex Twin Windowlicker Video... some funny stuff..
[09:58] <Mithrandir> swifty: grab RADIO0d.BIN  RADIO11.BIN  WLANGEN.BIN from http://raw.no/tmp/ and drop them in /lib/hotplug/firmware, if they're not there already.
[09:58] <devolve> even if you dont like em
[09:58] <PandU> I have a question, hope someone can explain. When I install lilo on the MBR the windows xp loader still exist, is it not installed in the MBR as well ?
[09:58] <Matt|> oooh Mithrandir this is very helpful
[09:58] <swifty> Mithrandir: Okey, i will try that.
[09:58] <Matt|> Mithrandir, Ive been using the script with the acx pack to start my network.
[09:59] <Matt|> Mithrandir, that way I haven't been able to start it at boot. there is a better way?
[09:59] <swifty> Matt|: Do you use ubuntu?
[09:59] <Matt|> swifty, yes
[09:59] <swifty> the acx module that ubuntu has did't work for you?
[09:59] <Matt|> swifty, mebbe i didn't do it right
[09:59] <thomaes> cardador, isn't there any tool for managing shares without having to use apache and a webbrowser?
[09:59] <Mithrandir> Matt|: http://raw.no/tmp/interfaces works for me.
[10:00] <Matt|> swifty, Mithrandir obviously knows what he is talking about
[10:00] <Matt|> Mithrandir, how do I set up the network to start at boot?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> Matt|: look at that url and adapt to your local /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:01] <Matt|> Mithrandir, if dhcp?
[10:01] <Matt|> the following lines aren't necessary?
[10:01] <Matt|> just replace static with dhcp?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> change iface wlan0 inet static to iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[10:01] <Mithrandir> and remove address, broadcast, network
[10:01] <Matt|> Mithrandir, if the module supported WEP, where would those details go?
[10:02] <bigbrother0074> ok...now i can't see the contents of my external hdd (sda1)..."0 items"  i've turned the hdd off and back on and it should pick it up but it doesn't.  any help?
[10:02] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, unmount and then mount it?
[10:02] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: i'm not familiar w/ command line stuff.... just "unmount sda1" then "mount sda1"??
[10:03] <Matt|> erm
[10:03] <swifty> Mithrandir: norsk?
[10:03] <Matt|> umount /dev/sda1
[10:03] <tfheen> swifty: mhm
[10:03] <cardador> thomaes: dont know. the best i can do is to send you my smb.conf. i have a working share
[10:03] <Matt|> or right click on the icon on the desktop and select unmount
[10:03] <tfheen> <-- mithrandir, connection died.
[10:03] <thomaes> cardador, isn't there any tool for managing shares without having to use apache and a webbrowser?
[10:03] <Matt|> bigbrother0074 or right click on the icon on the desktop and select unmount
[10:04] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, then unplug and plug in :)
[10:04] <Matt|> Mithrandir, if the module supported WEP, where would those details go?
[10:04] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: i have no icons on my desktop...but it's not listed under the "drives" listing in the "computer" menu.. i already tried turning it off and on...
[10:04] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, then go into the command line
[10:05] <tfheen> Matt|: probably wireless-key $key
[10:05] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, type "umount /dev/sda1"
[10:05] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: i've never looked for it in /dev/sda1... it's always been in /media/sda1
[10:05] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, that's ok. it should work
[10:05] <cardador> thomaes: accept the file
[10:05] <Matt|> tfheen, hmm ok thanks. in "interfaces"?
[10:05] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: "... is not mounted"
[10:05] <tfheen> Matt|: correctly,
[10:05] <cardador> thomaes: check the "share" section, it should lead you to set your shares
[10:06] <tfheen> Matt|: just a second, I'll have to look up what it actually is, I just guessed at -key
[10:06] <Matt|> tfheen, don't bother: WEP is not yet supported
[10:06] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, right.
[10:06] <thomaes> cardador, i just can view the shares, not set a new one
[10:06] <bigbrother0074> and now?
[10:06] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, type "mount" for a list of all things mounted
[10:06] <cardador> thomaes: accept the file
[10:06] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, look for anything with "sda" in it
[10:06] <thomaes> i clicked on accept, it doesn't word
[10:07] <thomaes> work
[10:07] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: nothing
[10:07] <tfheen> Matt|: ok, anyhow, it seems to be as I wrote
[10:07] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, ok then unplug and plug in should work
[10:07] <Matt|> tfheen, thanks :)
[10:07] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: k
[10:09] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: :/  not seeing it...
[10:09] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, oh dear
[10:09] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, it was working before?
[10:09] <Matt|> bigbrother0074, if so, try a reboot
[10:09] <bigbrother0074> Matt|:  last night
[10:09] <bigbrother0074> Matt|: k, bbl
[10:10] <marcushe> ive just installed ubuntu 4.  How do i get samba started or browse the windows network?
[10:10] <Matt|> anyone know what "# evms          Enterprise Volume Management System" does?
[10:11] <kent> marcushe, Computer->Network for browsing the windows network.
[10:12] <Mithrandir> Matt|: logical volumes.
[10:12] <marcushe> but nothing comes up
[10:13] <edson> hello! There are any utility like "Services configuration" (graphical) in Fedora C2 ???
[10:13] <marcushe> and under the general tab in the network settings, I can't turn windows networking on because it says I don't have samba
[10:13] <tolstoy> edson, I don't think there is.
[10:14] <edson> thanks tolstoy !
[10:14] <Matt|> Mithrandir, what are they? do i need em? (i have a laptop with 1 hard disk)
[10:14] <kent> marcushe, then you have to start synaptic and install samba, i guess.
[10:14] <tolstoy> edson, I've heard on here that they don't have that services management gui because this is a desktop distro.
[10:14] <Mithrandir> Matt|: you most likely don't need it.  It is very useful if you want to resize partitiions and move volumes between physical disks and such.
[10:15] <tolstoy> marcushe, you have to install samba via apt-get for that tab to work.
[10:15] <altan> I installed ubuntu on my old netless machine, how can I set up deb packages that I copied over from /var/cache/apt/archive ?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> _very_ useful when you have a server with a few TB of disk and a thousand users.
[10:15] <Matt|> Mithrandir, hmm i am all on one partition i believe
[10:15] <marcushe> ok tolsoy
[10:15] <Matt|> Mithrandir, is that the default for ubuntu?
[10:15] <devolve> altan, use dpkg
[10:15] <tolstoy> marcushe, but it didn't solve the fact that I can't access shares on my company's windows lan.
[10:15] <Mithrandir> Matt|: it's installed by default, but not used by anything, I believe.
[10:16] <altan> ok, i'll search for that
[10:16] <Matt|> Mithrandir, kthx
[10:17] <cenerentola> all: just an hint: how do i sign mail in evolution after ive set the sign?
[10:17] <Matt|> cenerentola, nice nick
[10:17] <cenerentola> matt|: thx
[10:17] <Matt|> you are italian?
[10:17] <cenerentola> yep
[10:18] <edson> well... ok, what can i do ??? :^)
[10:18] <cenerentola> sorry what about the evolution probs?
[10:19] <cenerentola> whos gonna help me?
[10:19] <Matt|> cenerentola, vedi in alto a destra c'e' "signatures --> none"
[10:19] <Matt|> cenerentola, clicca e cambia
[10:20] <cenerentola> i'll try it thx
[10:20] <edson> falaaaa. voc  brasileiro ?
[10:21] <marcushe> how do i use samba from the command line?  smb or samba commands don't seem to work
[10:25] <tolstoy> Hm. For some reason, natilus ssh:/// doesn't work.
[10:29] <xenonite> tolstoy: try with ssh://
[10:31] <tolstoy> xenonite, yeah, ssh://name@server/path/to/folder worked from ctrl-L, and now the "Connect to server" works, somehow.
[10:32] <tolstoy> maybe I typed in the wrong thing and had to wait for natilus to restart.
[10:34] <GuBA> i need url's of repos for my ubuntu (mplayer, mono, mono-develop, etc)
[10:34] <xenonite> monodevelop atm doesnt exist for ubuntu
[10:36] <spiv> GuBA: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-6f061ab212f3cbac3ac2cf8df53037a1f97916db
[10:36] <Cube-ness> but, you can drop that mono stuff and code in python/pygtk.. hehe
[10:36] <spiv> xenonite: tseng's repo includes monodevelop.
[10:36] <michel_v> GuBA: it may or may not fit your needs: http://www.whiprush.org/2004/09/practical_ubunt.html
[10:37] <michel_v> GuBA: I use jorge's sources.list at the moment, and it's rather fine
[10:37] <xenonite> spiv: thanks, i didnt know that
[10:38] <Cube-ness> what i want to see is java for ppc
[10:39] <GuBA> michel_v spiv thanks
[10:41] <monteiro> when i make the PATH in java, it works ok, but when i close the terminal, the settings go away :( , how i solve this ?
[10:41] <spacey`ki> monteiro, put it in /etc/profile
[10:42] <spacey`ki> should be some java related variables anyway in there
[10:42] <monteiro> spacey`ki : thanx :))
[10:43] <spacey`ki> np
[10:44] <monteiro> spacey`ki : do i need to restart the computer ?
[10:44] <spacey`ki> nou
[10:44] <spacey`ki> next time you open terminal it should load it
[10:44] <nimc> what to use for rc.local ?
[10:44] <altan> holy crap, ubuntu works pretty well once I installed fluxbox on a 300mhz/64mb machine
[10:44] <spacey`ki> or you can type 'source /etc/profile'
[10:44] <altan> *400mhz
[10:44] <spacey`ki> then you don't even have to close the terminal
[10:45] <spacey`ki> bash loads the vars in /etc/profile
[10:45] <spacey`ki> monteiro
[10:46] <nimc> what to use in ubuntu instead of rc.local ?
[10:46] <Cube-ness> ack.. i cant handle fluxbox.  when it comes to 'slim' environments, i love rox desktop/filer
[10:46] <Matt|> nimc, you could try rcS.d i think
[10:46] <Matt|> bbl
[10:46] <GuBA> mplayer-586:
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libarts but it is not installable o
[10:46] <GuBA>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libpng3 but it is not installable
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but it is not installable
[10:46] <GuBA>  Depende: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[10:46] <michel_v> guba: keep in mind mplayer is more than likely not supported here
[10:47] <nimc> rcS.d is a dir ? which file ?
[10:48] <hypatia> Anyone familiar with open Nautilus bugs
[10:49] <hypatia> Because I have some doozies, and I have no idea whether its a single bug or several.
[10:50] <monteiro> spacey`ki : stills the same thing when i close the terminal and open a new one , it says command not found :(
[10:51] <spacey`ki> what did you set in the path
[10:51] <spacey`ki> did you add it with the other pats
[10:51] <spacey`ki> paths
[10:52] <Cube-ness> i cant figure out how being a newbie sort of causes mysterious breakages in an OS.  I remember years ago always having broken stuff in linux.  looking back, i have no f'ing idea how i managed to mangle so many installs, ending in a forced format/reinstall.. hehe
[10:53] <spacey`ki> don't ask us:p
[10:53] <theantix> Cube-ness: let me guess -- you kept trying to push things to the bleeding edge?
[10:54] <Cube-ness> i think there's that little space fo time.. after you decide you want to dig deeper into computing, but before you know what youre doing..in that space, youre a walking SO destroyer
[10:55] <Cube-ness> OS
[10:55] <spacey`ki> installing openssl from tarball when you have openssl already installed with a packetmanager(also different versions ofcourse) is a nice trick
[10:55] <nathanieldelaney> im kinda in that space
[10:55] <nathanieldelaney> luckily the os I destroyed was my xp install
[10:55] <Cube-ness> hehe
[10:55] <nathanieldelaney> good riddance
[10:58] <Cube-ness> its kinda like when i make an app... and give it to one of the employees to use and they immediately break it.. they instantly find the most obscure, seemingly impossible combinatios of actiions that exposes some bug somewhere.. i think, "why in gods name we your trying to do that?"
[10:59] <Aan2343> cube-ness.. heh..
[10:59] <Aan2343> so why not create a fuzzy-logic based predictive proram?
[10:59] <nasdaq4088> women are good at exposing bugs in programs
[10:59] <nathanieldelaney> how do I modify the boot loader from ubuntu?
[11:00] <Aan2343> if not A then display message, "are you sure you wanna do that? I am not designed to do that.. "
[11:00] <spacey`ki> nathanieldelaney, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:00] <spacey`ki> is that little menu
[11:00] <Aan2343> how do I actually use grub?
[11:00] <Aan2343> spent much time using lilo..and now everone's using grub.. arrrrggggg.
[11:01] <Cube-ness> Aan2343, hehe.. its just annoying that you'd could spend as much time coding little safetfy nets and hand holders as you do the actual functioality of the app..
[11:01] <xenonite> monteiro: still there?
[11:01] <GuBA> michel_v i need a Xmule ...
[11:01] <nathanieldelaney> permission denied on /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:01] <nathanieldelaney> (from root terminal)
[11:02] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: do you have a separate boot partition?
[11:02] <nathanieldelaney> yeah
[11:03] <nathanieldelaney> dont you have to?
[11:03] <xenonite> so type `mount' and look if it is mounted readonly
[11:05] <netmonk> can someone please help me with my ubuntu and acpi settings or point me to a how-to
[11:05] <nathanieldelaney> I don't see it.  my goal is this:  on the boot partition, the first boot loader is grub, and at the bottom of the boot loader list is windows.  if i hit windows, it sends me to the windows boot loader.  If I hit windows from there, It won't let windows boot.  i think perhaps if the windows boot loader was alone on the boot partition, it would let windows load.
[11:06] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: ok you got the `mount` in a terminal?
[11:06] <nathanieldelaney> yeah
[11:07] <nathanieldelaney> i don't see anything called boot
[11:07] <nathanieldelaney> i have /dev/hdc1, proc, sysfs, devpts, tmpfs, usbfs
[11:08] <nathanieldelaney> all of them are listed with "on _____ type ____" following
[11:08] <xenonite> yes thats ok
[11:09] <phin> just curious, what is the mouse pointer pacakge that ubuntu uses?
[11:10] <xenonite> so what comes up when you type: sudo fdisk -l
[11:11] <zombie> phin: by jimmac
[11:11] <phin> jimmac font?
[11:11] <phin> i mean cursor
[11:12] <zombie> yes, cursor
[11:13] <zombie> phin: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php3?ikony=71
[11:13] <nathanieldelaney> xenonite:  should I paste all 8 lines or so in here or just give you some specifics
[11:13] <phin> awesome! thanks!  i like em alot, wanna see if i can get em going in a few other os's
[11:13] <mba> Hi all. I'm new tu Ubunto (and to IRC ...) and I'm looking for somebody who can help me with e problem on IPTables. I suppose there is a problem with Ubunto as I have no problem with the same rules on Sarge. Somebody can help ?
[11:13] <phin> i appriciate it :)
[11:15] <Mestapheles> hi guys, I'm excited about your ppc v as there is not much for ppc.  Tell me is there is live ppc?
[11:15] <zombie> phin: how to install --> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=35740
[11:15] <phin> thx again
[11:15] <phin>  http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=35740
[11:16] <phin>  [17:15]  [phin(+ei)]  [7:#ubuntu(+cn)]  [Act: 2,4,5] 
[11:16] <phin> [#ubuntu]  oppps
[11:16] <zombie> np
[11:17] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: so it seems you already installed windows
[11:17] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: and you don't have got a separate boot partition
[11:18] <nathanieldelaney> hmm
[11:18] <nathanieldelaney> must I jump through many hoops to get windows booting again?
[11:22] <binary_10> maybe a couple
[11:22] <GotD0t> maybe one or two on fire
[11:22] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: on my ubuntu-setup, the windows is started by hitting ESC on boot, after the bios
[11:23] <xenonite> nathanieldelaney: ubuntu found win automatically, i didnt hoop ;)
[11:23] <xenonite> but i cant tell if it works, i only used ubuntu
[11:25] <nathanieldelaney> well, after installing ubuntu, windows gives me a prompt saying that hal.dll (some security measure) has been corrupted and needs to be reinstalled
[11:25] <nathanieldelaney> which I did, but nothing changed
[11:25] <xenonite> hm i cant help you with that
[11:26] <nathanieldelaney> thanks anyway
[11:26] <xenonite> btw you got the grub right if you got this far
[11:26] <GotD0t> why does that dll sound familiar
[11:27] <nathanieldelaney> i don't care much for windows, but I like the luxury of compatibility
[11:27] <nathanieldelaney> hardware abstraction layer .dll
[11:27] <GotD0t> hmm
[11:27] <xenonite> ah okay seems like you use a NT-windows ;)
[11:28] <nathanieldelaney> xp
[11:28] <GotD0t> yea
[11:28] <xenonite> right
[11:29] <nathanieldelaney> Xcruciating... Poo
[11:30] <binary_10> has anyone been able to get enemy-territory to install?
[11:30] <punkass> ok i just did an install of ubuntu..and I went to edit my XF86config file...and its not there
[11:30] <GotD0t> its XF86Config-4
[11:30] <punkass> i know
[11:30] <GotD0t> oh
[11:30] <punkass> ususally in /etc/X11
[11:30] <punkass> but there is nothing there
[11:30] <GotD0t> right
[11:30] <punkass> but i am in X right now
[11:30] <GotD0t> did you do an ls in /etc/X11
[11:31] <punkass> yeah its not there
[11:31] <binary_10> locate XF86Config-4 ?
[11:31] <punkass> tried that
[11:31] <GotD0t> thats interesting
[11:31] <punkass> even did an updatedb first
[11:31] <binary_10> O.O
[11:32] <GotD0t> i would exit the gui and do X -configure
[11:32] <punkass> GotD0t: i have ut2004 installed at home...havent tried et yet tho
[11:32] <GotD0t> and that will generate a new one... and you can just copy it over
[11:32] <Mestapheles> can someone tell me if thre is a relationship between debian and ubuntu?
[11:32] <punkass> hmm ok ill try that
[11:32] <GotD0t> there is
[11:33] <binary_10> they are not using xorg yet are they?
[11:33] <binary_10> ubuntu that is
[11:34] <joh_> hi
[11:34] <GotD0t> wow.. this guy has kept a record of every book hes read since 1974
[11:34] <punkass> omg..i am embarresed..
[11:34] <GotD0t> ?
[11:34] <joh_> is there any guides available on how to print over samba to a windowsXP computer?
[11:34] <michel_v> binary_10: they will be, in Hoary
[11:35] <punkass> hahaha..i am ssh'd into another server at the moment
[11:35] <joh_> this windowsXP thing is killing me...
[11:35] <GotD0t> joh_ i wouldn't use samba
[11:35] <GotD0t> joh_ i mean... if you're just needing printing
[11:35] <GotD0t> joh_ if you need file sharing then you need samba... otherwise you can just use IPP as winxp has support for it
[11:35] <Mestapheles> eh carlos.. son siempre tan indiferente aqui?
[11:36] <joh_> ahh, ok. I`ll try that
[11:37] <joh_> GotD0t: You did understand that the printer is connected to the windows box?
[11:37] <GotD0t> oh
[11:37] <carlos> Mestapheles: It depends on if anyone can answer you
[11:37] <carlos> Mestapheles: if you want, we have a Spanish channel #ubuntu-es
[11:37] <joh_> :) I suppose that gives me no choice
[11:37] <GotD0t> joh_ sorry, i didn't realize that... but i think you can still use IPP
[11:37] <Mestapheles> cool
[11:38] <GotD0t> joh_ if you configure windows to share the printer over IPP then you can set CUPS to access it
[11:39] <monteiro> xenonite : yes
[11:39] <Mestapheles> maybe I'll try that latter if they're still busy here.  I really don't know the spanish terms for the stuff I do.  But it would be good as a back fall.  thanks
[11:39] <joh_> GotD0t: I have to do some research on that
[11:39] <monteiro> xenonite : java problem :(
[11:39] <GotD0t> joh_ IPP seems to be the easier option of the two
[11:40] <joh_> I am adding a ip port now.
[11:40] <xenonite> okay put your variable into /etc/environment
[11:41] <xenonite> monteiro: you dont need it in etc/profile
[11:41] <xenonite> monteiro: sort of JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/current
[11:42] <xenonite> after a restart it would be everywhere. instead you could use "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/current"
[11:43] <monteiro> xenonite : ok, thanx :)
[11:44] <xip> Okay, I'm pretty impressed.  That was a damn easy installation that actually seems to have worked
[11:45] <xip> I did notice some errors on boot though.  Is there a log setup by default that contains all messages from boot?
[11:46] <GotD0t> everyone gets those AFAIK
[11:46] <xip> Ah, the two... well I cant remember what they were but there were two of them that were practically the same.  Looked like it was trying to load kernel modules if I'm not mistaken
[11:47] <GotD0t> yea
[11:47] <GotD0t> schp or something like that
[11:47] <xip> Yeah, that sounds familiar.  Well good to know I didn't break something
[11:48] <xip> I'm still curious if there is such a log though.  Will be handy to know in the future
[11:48] <GotD0t> i was wondering about that too
[11:48] <GotD0t> there probably is one
[11:53] <xip> I'm sure there is one, but a quick glance and I couldn't find it.
[11:54] <punkass> i need to mount some samba shares...but I can see to find smbmount
[11:54] <punkass> can = cant
[11:54] <punkass> ive installed the samba package
[11:54] <stuNNed> high speed usb device can be accessed as root but not as normal user, do i need to change permissions somewhere?
[11:55] <spacey`ki> you can change group or rights in /etc/fstab
[11:56] <stuNNed> Oct 28 16:52:52 localhost kernel: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 <-can only be accessed by root user not normal user
[11:56] <stuNNed> usb_set_configuration: Operation not permitted
[11:56] <spacey`ki> ah yes you need to mount it first i guess