=== lamont sees many bugs. sigh/ [12:02] doko: no, that's not what restricted is for [12:02] seb128: oh, I lost the context, sorry :-) [12:03] lamont: most of them are trivial to fix, though [12:03] doko: restricted == binary-blob of code, but otherwise main. [12:03] mdz: yeah [12:03] it's not nearly as bad as it looks === lamont will chunk through the ones assigned to him, and then move on to other and better ones. [12:03] seb128: done [12:03] thanks :) [12:03] so it's ok to move them from sid/non-free to hoary/main? [12:04] doko: err, hell no [12:04] s/main/universe/ [12:04] doko: no - multiverse [12:04] mdz: although I'm going to save postfix for a while, since I want to merge many of the warty changes over to debian, and that'll simplify the hoary patch. (That and there aren't any significant fixes in sid atm.) [12:04] they should already be there, in fact [12:05] mdz: these aren't RC bugs, eh? hrm.. guess not really for the most part [12:05] latex2html | 2002-2-1-8 | warty/multiverse | source, all [12:05] graphviz | 1.14-1 | warty/multiverse | source, amd64, i386, powerpc [12:06] sorry, added to my sources.list ... [12:07] woops, forgot to enable auto-update of universe.. lala [12:09] elmo: please clobber john [12:10] done [12:15] elmo: can you please sync libgcrypt7? [12:16] pitti: sync over the ubuntu changes? [12:16] elmo: yes, please [12:17] done [12:18] elmo: thanks! [12:21] pitti: did you get some g-v-m crash recently during dbus/hal updates ? [12:21] seb128: hmm, yes, now when you say it [12:21] seb128: I remember that this happened to me once [12:21] mdz got it too [12:22] seb128: so it seems this was no random crash then [12:22] and one debian guys reported a similar problem today [12:22] yeah, apparently ... [12:27] seb128, pitti: i've seen crashes with hal 0.4.0 restarting.. somewhere in the dbus code, haven't had the time to debug it yet.. [12:27] ok, so definitively a bug [12:27] sjoerd: please keep us informed if you find it :) [12:32] correction.. with dbus restarting [12:33] sjoerd: Ubuntu's dbus-1 package contains a fixed patch for dbus-monitor; I think this should apply to Debian as well [12:34] pitti: oh nice [12:34] pitti: patch as in make it actually work ? [12:34] sjoerd: shall I send you the patch? [12:34] sjoerd: yes, seems so [12:34] sjoerd: or can you grab it from our source package? [12:35] pitti: btw do you read my mind, i was going to ask daniels if i could do another nmu rsn :) [12:36] sjoerd: I thought the same :-) [12:36] sjoerd: if you adopt the patch, we could actually resync to Debian, which would be nice [12:36] for other bugs though :) [12:37] pitti: i'll check the source package.. [12:39] <__daniel> bye [12:40] pitti: getting #277148 would probably be nice for ubuntu too (if it isn't already fixed) === __daniel [~daniel@td9091b56.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:44] sjoerd: right. If we can sync, we get Debian fixes automatically :-) [12:44] i'll see what i can do tomorrow [12:44] oh [12:44] sjoerd [12:46] sjoerd simons === jdub makes connections [12:46] hi! :-) [12:46] jdub: should i be afraid ? [12:46] heh [12:46] connecting your nick here to your name on hal list and debian's hal :-) [12:46] ah [12:54] jdub: heh, so after Alan trashed it to pieces, are you still willing to get polypaudio into Debian? =) [12:54] if yes, I've got some time for over the weekend to upload it, if you need a sponsor [12:54] elmo: gnomemeeting sync please [12:54] azeem: yeah :) [12:54] lennart will come back with the goods ;) [12:54] Good night, everybody! [12:54] 'night pitti ! [12:54] g'night [12:54] pitti: later === ph_ [~ph@pD9587D66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] seb128: heh, new howl :) [12:54] cool :) [12:54] hmm, where is keybuk when you need him? [12:56] in london [12:56] or birmingham [12:56] or oxford [12:56] figured. [12:56] at least, that's been my experience === BillyKid2005507 [~Nick@dsl81-215-37639.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BillyKid2005507 [~Nick@dsl81-215-37639.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:57] did we agree that those "W: polypaudio: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath" are okayish because those are modules/plugins? (can't remember) [12:57] we did, but it's still kinda suboptimal === triebjlr [~trieblr@201.135.204.57] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] hrm [12:59] Package: howl-utils [12:59] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libhowl0 (= ${Source-Version}) [12:59] [12:59] Package: mdnsresponder [12:59] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libhowl0 (= ${Source-Version}) [12:59] [12:59] howl-utils_0.9.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb [12:59] Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libhowl0, libhowl0 (= 0.9.7-1ubuntu1) [12:59] [12:59] polypaudio uses some moderately funky LDADD automake directives which might lead to those rpaths, so I hoped Keybuk would know about htat [12:59] mdnsresponder_0.9.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb [12:59] Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libhowl0 (= 0.9.7-1ubuntu1) [12:59] [12:59] jdub: you want shlibs.local [12:59] ^ gar. [01:00] hey, there is a question on -users that didn't get an answer last week that i think should [01:00] Where would be the correct place to report packaging bugs in multiverse [01:00] packages? === jdub checks man dh_shlibdeps [01:01] mdz: thanks [01:01] mako: that's because that question doesn't have an answer [01:01] yeah, i know :) [01:01] other than "wait" [01:01] right, i'm going to post that [01:02] elmo: vnc also please [01:03] "wait" EOF [01:03] mdz: we talked about it at the last CC meeting a bit [01:03] off to a concert at the school, should be online for a bit in a while, working on bugs, etc.. :-) [01:04] syntax error at /usr/share/perl5/dtd.pl line 99, near "$ANY " === lamont giggles [01:04] elmo: yelp too [01:08] elmo: and startup-notification :) [01:09] mako: add it to the FAQ [01:09] mako: "wait" [01:11] aha, excellent response from lennnart [01:16] jdub: yeah, good reply :) [01:17] BTW are KDE people really that reluctant to use glib ? [01:17] well [01:17] that's a low level lib, not really a "gnomish" stuff ... [01:17] they already depend on glib for a number of things [01:17] Arts already uses glib [01:17] It just has its own copy in its source tree [01:17] so it'd be pretty silly if they didn't accept a glib-based polypaudio [01:18] mjg59: basically no one builds it that way, though [01:18] afaik [01:19] hornbeck: your post, fair idea, but it doesnt seem much needed [01:19] hornbeck: its pretty easy for us to make apt repos on joe random webhost [01:27] seb128: done [01:28] elmo: thanks .. I've started to list them in fact, new serie : libgnomecanvasmm2.0 gtkmm2.0 libgnomecups :) [01:32] done === usual [~colin@alb-69-200-190-11.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kapputu [~kapputu@ny-lasalle-cadant1-24-49-98-189.bflony.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] hi everyone [01:58] I get a error trying to load a module at boot called hw_random or something like that....can someone tell me why and how to fix it [01:58] it happened in rc and release [01:59] usual: please use #ubuntu for support issues [01:59] mdz, my mistake, I read the topic wrong [01:59] ;) [01:59] hi md [01:59] mdz [02:00] hi [02:02] I want to contribute to Ubuntu [02:02] I'm a good programmer [02:02] what sort of program would you like to write? [02:02] I learn quickly though I have been actively using linux only since the beginning of this year [02:02] I'm good at Java, Perl [02:02] I know C well but haven't used it in 3 years [02:03] and I learn new languages very quickly [02:03] if you are an experienced programmer, a good way to contribute would be to write and maintain an open source application [02:04] I have a problem with getting started on anything [02:04] I need directions [02:05] a good start would be to find something that you feel is missing for you, personally. that way it will be something which will hold your interest === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] hmm [02:06] elmo: syncs for gnome-libs libgnomeprint libgnomedb please :) [02:06] I would like to do some web stuff [02:07] are there any good remote development tools ? [02:07] I'm looking for something like EditPlus in Windows [02:07] seb128: done ... your packages are clearly too easy ;-P [02:07] ah ah [02:07] thanks :) [02:07] elmo: he makes up for it in volume :-) [02:08] I'm keeping the hard ones for tomorrow :p [02:08] kapputu: eclipse and emacs come to mind [02:08] for remote development ?? [02:08] i use emacs a lot but not sure how to set it up for remote development === kapputu [~kapputu@ny-lasalle-cadant1-24-49-98-189.bflony.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] ok, time to sleep, 'night === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] thom: around? [03:56] mdz: 0300 [03:57] daniels: it wouldn't be the first time === bob2_ [rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] mdz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0307/msg01708.html [04:11] jdub: creating a temporary directory under $HOME is also popular [04:11] I've thought that it might be nice to just change tmpfs to prevent temporary file attacks [04:12] by revoking some of the cleverer filesystem semantics that allow them [04:13] tollef is upstream for that, btw [04:13] Mithrandir: poke [04:13] (for context, martin just pointed it out to rob and i, and suggested that it might be cool for ubuntu) [04:13] daniels: yes, I know he's asleep. he'll read scrollback :-) [04:14] ah, and lifeless just cced you on his mail [04:15] no mail yet [04:15] matt.zimmerman@canonical.com ? [04:16] lifeless: that should get to me about 10 expansions later, yes :-) [04:18] aha [04:18] mdz: heh [04:18] there it is [04:44] mdz: (whoomp) [05:05] tseng: sounds good to me, on random repos === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-068-160.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng [~tseng@thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] morning guys === fabbione tags 2987 INVALID WITH BIG SATISFACTION [06:10] teehee [06:10] where's the bugzilla? [06:11] bugzilla.ubuntu.com [06:11] I should have guessed huh :) === lifeless nods === lifeless grins [06:12] new comment on it :-) [06:12] haha [06:13] ding dong, the witch is dead [06:17] Micksa: it's not like x.org is any simpler or smaller.... [06:23] fabbione: one more time, with FEELING [06:24] Micksa: we can sing the ding dong song ... maybe after we get the modular tree. definitely after someone's rewritten the server from the ground up. [06:24] mdz: ahaha [06:24] mdz: i got a bunch of merging bugs [06:25] do you want me to spend time on them? [06:25] i am kinda into X.org these days [06:25] fabbione: I gave you about 3 I think [06:25] 11 [06:25] well 10 [06:25] ok, 7 :-) [06:25] mdz: up to you.. i don't mind either way [06:26] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3008 [06:26] fabbione: I think it should not be more than an hour's work [06:26] mdz: i think this should go to "ubuntu-desktop" [06:26] mdz: sure.. no problem [06:27] fabbione: a nice diversion for a little bit from X.org :-) [06:28] mdz: you gotta be kidding! :) [06:28] i can do an entire build (almost) in one hour! [06:28] ahaha [06:28] hehe [06:28] something to keep busy during the build, then :-) [06:28] exactly === fabbione enables multitasking pre-emptive [06:29] mdz: same question from my side wrt the merge bugs I got [06:30] daniels: you said the X.org work was serial, please tend to your bugs [06:30] mdz: it is at this point in time yes [06:30] because we are fixing small build issues and syncing sanity checks [06:30] it won't be from today or monday [06:31] fabbione: it takes an hour for a ccached build? [06:31] mdz: yes.. slightly more than that [06:31] i found a bug in the install target [06:31] that makes the build much longer [06:32] mdz: ccache doesn't deal with linking, remember, and there's also fonts and stuff to take care of [06:32] fonts schmonts, who needs 'em [06:32] i don't think i can make fix it for today [06:32] mdz: 1 hours is without FONTS [06:32] and without XPRINT [06:32] fabbione: how big is the tree? [06:32] (that btw we had to re-enable) [06:32] (built) [06:33] u -sk build-tree/ [06:33] 4614484 build-tree [06:33] wait [06:33] 3830636 build-tree [06:33] this one [06:34] mdz: there is a damn bug in the install target [06:34] that basically relink everything [06:34] creating duplicates of each binary files in the tree [06:34] (it moves the old ones as .bak) [06:34] that's one of the reason why it takes so much longer [06:35] daniels: do you think you can try to fix it while flying? [06:35] you don't need to build all the tree to see it [06:35] just the server or a small xc/programs/ [06:35] fabbione: i can try, yes, but IBM have tanked my order, and I won't have the extended life battery before I leave [06:35] crap [06:35] ok [06:35] so I'm going to find one in either cph or london [06:35] i think that still gives me about 6h of battery, though [06:36] so I should get about 12h all up while flying [06:36] daniels: lon -> cph is like 2 hours flight [06:36] not even worth the time to turn on the lappy [06:36] mel -> sin is 8h, sin->lhr is 12h [06:36] and if I'm conscious while I'm at LHR, I can hack while I'm waiting [06:36] ditto SIN [06:36] daniels: get some sleep too :) [06:36] yeah, given I arrive at like 5am [06:36] while $STOP; do clear && ccache -s && sleep 1; done [06:37] ccache top ^^ [06:37] too nice to have in a little window while compiling X [06:37] 48x14 is perfect :-) === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-153-250-222.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker_ [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] so what proportion of the (official) team IS australian? [07:03] not quite enough [07:03] no dude [07:03] there's enough [07:03] we just have to overcome the brits [07:03] haha [07:03] the wiki says 40% somewhere [07:04] it's not 40% [07:04] I didn't think so [07:04] daniels, lifeless, bob2, jamesh, jdub [07:05] is that 5/40? [07:05] spiv [07:05] stub [07:05] Micksa: it's around 20% [07:05] though spiv and stub have lots of beer to drink to reaustralianise [07:05] >:) [07:05] heh [07:05] as opposed to malibu and coke :P [07:06] (stfu.) [07:06] well I'm totally unaustralian then [07:06] by that metric, I'm probably closer to Russian than anything else [07:06] nono [07:06] they've been overseas for ages [07:06] they just have to reaustralianise [07:06] then they can drink whatever they want [07:06] ah, okay. [07:07] 'Welcome to re-education. This is your friend for the next month, Mr. Coopers.' [07:07] HEAD, KEG, NOW! === lamont finally gets back in from the concert etc. [07:08] heh, I'm visualising the wrathful look on jdub's face as he shoves the guy's head into the beer [07:16] not wrathful, merciful [07:17] heh [07:17] sounds like I need to hang out with jdub more often [07:17] if only I didn't live so far away... [07:22] night [07:23] lifeless: I was sorta thinking of it as an act of exorcism :) [07:23] pasc: haha [07:25] pasc: you can bond over peter's [07:27] heh [07:27] I still haven't been there [07:27] (since I moved that is) [07:28] pasc: PING [07:29] :) [07:30] that time of the month again already?!? [07:32] hmm [07:40] mdz: 3008 ... ubuntu-desktop? or do you really want me to depend on libglide2? [07:40] fabbione: I need more information [07:40] I don't have one of those cards [07:41] the tdfx driver needs libglide to work properly, but theoretically it shouldn't fail like that [07:41] i have one but it's a newver version that that [07:41] so i can't see that problem === lamont sleeps [07:41] night lamont [07:42] mdz: we were already talking about moving libglide3 to desktop [07:42] it means adding libglide2 too [07:52] mdz: there is a new apache1.3 release that fixes 2 security problems. One is already backported. [07:52] pitti: ^^same goes to you [07:53] fabbione: ok, I think we talked about this already, ythen [07:53] not with me [07:53] fabbione: send an email to -devel proposing the seed change, I don't see a problem with it [07:53] [CAN-2004-0492 (cve.mitre.org)] [07:53] http://ubuntu-art.org/ <- boggle [07:53] this is fixed [07:53] [CAN-2004-0940 (cve.mitre.org)] this one no [07:54] mdz: ok [07:58] jdub: intense [07:58] fabbione: please file a bug and assign to pitti [07:58] mdz: if you want i can handle it. i will have to do it for Debian too i guess [07:58] but if pitti will make a patch for me, i would be even more happy :P [07:59] mdz: 3011 [07:59] fabbione: thanks [07:59] mdz: no problem [08:00] i wonder how long time it will take before a RC bug is filed against apache in debian [08:00] usually they take less than 30 secons [08:00] seconds === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Happy Hoary Trail! | BE THE SIGNAL | Warty release is DONE, long live Hoary | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html === fabbione updates his workstation to hoary [08:10] no [08:10] actually.. not on a friday [08:23] mdz: if a package can be synced safely from debian, what should i do? tell who? [08:26] fabbione: elmo [08:26] either mail or IRC, no need for approval [08:27] you can also reassign the bug to him, but that seems to take an extra day to process :-) [08:27] mdz: ehehe ok [08:29] mdz: is that ok that synced packages will pull in build-deps from universe? [08:29] or do we need to fix the packages... [08:30] (if fixable) === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] fabbione: it depends on which packages [08:40] Morning! [08:41] mdz: thanks for approval, I upload libgd2 to the queue now [08:42] mdz: USNs for libxml2 and libgd2 are on https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/ [08:42] pitti: which bug # is libxml2? [08:42] mdz: #2809 [08:58] mdz: 2 binaries that we have in universe, but the source and the main binary in main [08:58] python2.1 and 2,2-numeric [09:01] mdz: I still did not get a CAN for ppp, I upload the thing without one now. [09:02] pitti: ok [09:02] fabbione: ick, what depends on them? [09:02] pyopengl2.1 and 2.2 [09:04] gah [09:04] we didn't prune python2.1 or python2.2 from warty/main [09:04] mdz: i am adding all the info to the bug with you and james in cc [09:04] we should do that for hoary [09:08] pitti: security bugs should not be closed until the package has actually entered the archive [09:08] okay [09:08] pitti: I will process ppp as soon as it is built, if you are ready [09:09] mdz: I still need to write the USN for ppp === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 hi! [09:18] mdz: ppp USN uploaded, again to https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/ [09:57] mdz: pong === cenerentola [~cenerento@ppp-82-84-143-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] pitti: I would write the first sentence of details as "'It has been discoveerd that ppp does not properly verify certain data structures used in the CBCP protocol." [10:13] (only without the typo) [10:13] mdz: okay [10:14] mdz: uploaded [10:15] mdz: i love you :P [10:15] not everything that has X11 in the middle of the name is kinda... related to X11 :) [10:16] fabbione: I did not consider whether they were related to X11; xfree86 you got because you own that component in bugzilla === fabbione was just kidding === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lhb [lhb@kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] mdz: is there ANY reason why we still need qt-x11-free? [10:40] it's a bunch of FTBFS [10:41] fabbione: check germinate [10:41] I think we would have more FTBFS if we removed it :-) === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-19-169.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-78.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maswan [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daf [daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [daniel@fooishbar.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@cdm-208-180-235-130.cnro.cox-internet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] mdz: whehay.. morphix hotplug issue now fixed upstream :) [10:49] mdz: and your 1st hypothesis was spot on :) [10:50] robtaylor|away: oh? [10:51] newer hotplug than the one I just uploaded? [10:52] Keybuk: nope, just fixed it to use pivot_root in its last stage [10:52] ah, morphix upstream not hotplug? :) [10:52] Keybuk: yep :) [10:53] Keybuk: on the bugzilla, do would i merk the bug as 'upstream' or 'pending upload'? === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] no idea [10:53] heh :) [10:54] i'll put an appropriate comment in then, and let someone eslse fix it :) === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] robtaylor|away: great, could you add a note to the bug report with that information? [11:00] ah, you already decided to do so [11:08] mdz: heh :) === rburton [~ross@84.12.22.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] jdub: ping? [11:10] hello rburton [11:10] hi seb128 [11:10] what's up ? [11:11] i just discoved that my speakers have a low hum when there is no cd playing, and i can't figure out where it is coming from [11:11] probably the gas meter right behind the amp [11:11] that is my major worry at the moment :) [11:11] ah ah [11:11] i also wish SA wouldn't decide to rebuild its database when i want it to get mail [11:15] Kamion, elmo: have you guys made any attempts to point germinate at the new wiki yet? === Keybuk wonders where his dustmen have got to [11:24]