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|trey|xip, you prolly got 'shpchp' and 'pciehp' (or at least something simular to these) ... dmesg | grep error to see... these can be ignored  :)12:01
punkasssmbmount? anyone?12:02
spacey`kiif the next version is released. how intensive would the upgrade version be?12:02
spacey`kiapt-get dist-upgrade?12:02
spacey`kior more to it?12:02
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|trey|spacey`ki, nope, hopefully that will be all thats required :)12:03
|trey|spacey`ki, other then changing "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list...12:03
punkasstrey: do you know what the deal is with smbmount not being found?12:03
spacey`ki|trey|, ok thnx. had to be sure:)12:03
spacey`kifor possible future upgradepath12:04
|trey|punkass, sorry  :(  I use NFS or FTP for sharing files usually  :(12:04
|trey|spacey`ki, :)12:04
punkassah yes that would make the most sense..but our server here is setup with samba :(12:04
spacey`kiis ubuntu considered ready voor production use?12:04
Treenaksyes.12:05
jdubspacey`ki: warty definitely is12:05
|trey|spacey`ki, Ubuntu's Warty release is, yes... :)12:05
spacey`kipunkass, if its not found are you sure you installed the package12:05
punkassyes12:05
spacey`kiok jdub & |trey|12:05
spacey`ki:)12:05
punkassjdub: is there a reason smbmount is not available?12:05
jdubpunkass: smbfs12:06
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spacey`kipunkass, try mount -t smbfs12:06
|trey|punkass, dpkg -l smbclient | grep ^ii12:06
xiptrey:  Sorry, was afk.  But yes, those were the two errors :)12:06
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punkassyeah i know i can use smbfs, just curious why smbmount wasnt avaiable12:06
|trey|jdub, he's saying smbclient isn't instaled at all... afaict he hasn't even tryed to actually mount from what he has asked  :/12:06
khronicanyone tried out the new firefox release?  Wondering if it fixes some 1.0RC annoyances (unclickable link, etc)12:07
|trey|punkass, smbmount is basically a wrapper around mount -t smbfs  :/12:07
|trey|punkass, mount smbfs ...12:07
jdubother way around, i believe12:07
|trey|punkass, uhh, modprobe even12:07
|trey|I'm high12:07
schweebjdub: afaik you're right12:08
punkassjdub: ahhh..smbfs is a seperate package...doh :)12:08
|trey|jdub, either way, I know if ones not working, neither will the other  :)12:08
jdubpunkass: that's what i meant12:09
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punkassyeah i gotcha now... i thought u meant...use mount -t smbfs12:09
punkassthanks12:10
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UnIDatai download j2re where find it ?12:10
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|trey|UnIData, Umm, in your home dir? in Multiverse, look up java-package... much better performance  :)12:11
|trey|UnIData, need the 3rd party binary still... but yeah  :)12:12
kensaiwhich is an equivalet to jbuilder in linux for java programing12:16
kensai?12:16
UnIDatai need make a ln to javaplugin_oji.so to mozilla12:17
kensaiqt is good for c++ but it canot handle java programing?12:17
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geppyQT isn't good.12:18
mjrkensai, that sounds like apples and oranges to me; qt is a toolkit whereas isn't jbuilder some IDE?12:18
geppyjbuilder is an IDE.12:19
__danielkensai: c++ and qt have not as much as gtkmm and c++ in common ;-)12:19
kensaiqt-designer I mean12:19
mjranyway, I've heard good things about the Eclipse IDE12:19
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jdubkensai: probably ecplise12:19
jdubOskuro! :-)12:19
mjrand if you want to use a native toolkit, gtk (and gnome) have Java bindings12:19
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jordiNobody has seen Oskuro. Nobody!12:20
jdubbah!12:20
kensaiThanks12:20
jordi:)12:20
mirak_hi hi hi12:21
kensaiBut can I use qt-designer on Gnome?12:22
geppyYes.12:22
jdubkensai: not entirely usefully12:22
jdubkensai: better to use glade12:23
kensaiOk I'll see glade12:23
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robertjmy speakers buzz when I get a call on my cell. Do I need new speakers or new cables?12:27
mjrkensai, if you're going that way, yeah, glade is good, and this may also be a useful link: http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/12:27
kensaithanks thats what I was searching too12:28
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Strisscan java be added to firefox on ppc?12:31
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robertjare there any speakers that won't buzz from cell interferance?12:33
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pjzbetter shielded ones, maybe12:34
pjztry lining them with tinfoil12:34
pjzokay, a challenge for the ubuntu crowd: can I install it from a running XP system?12:35
punkasswhere is the best spot to put a smbmount command so that a share is mounted on bootup/per user .ie i have it in xdm/Xsessions on a fedora machine and it works fine12:35
pjzall I've got is a drive, a cpu, and a network12:35
robertjpjz: How much work are you willing to do?12:35
pjzrobertj: a fair bit12:35
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robertjhrmmm, got free partition space?12:36
kapputuhi all12:36
pjzrobertj: nope, I need to repartition dynamically or something12:36
robertjaint happening12:37
pjzrobertj: is there a win32 port of parted?12:37
kirtispunkass, I would probably put it in a script, then add the script to the startup items in gnome.12:37
robertjpjz: wait, are you willing to reboot?12:37
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pjzrobertj: oh, sure, but I don't have a CD or floppy, is the problem. just net.12:37
robertjoh12:39
robertjpxe bootable?12:39
punkasskirtis: ill give that a shot..thanks12:39
pjzdunno.  I don't have another linux box locally, either, though.12:39
__danielbye12:39
kapputuhi daniel12:39
robertjwhy don't you have a cdrom?12:39
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pjzit's in another machine offsite12:39
__danielbye kapputu :-)12:39
pjzI can get one in a couple days, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to12:39
kapputubye12:40
robertjwithout free partition space I don't know12:40
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pjzis there no free parition editor for winxp?12:44
pjzand can ntfs be resized?12:44
punkasskirtis the problem is it needs to be run by root12:44
robertjyou can't resize a mounted partition on the fly12:44
robertjat least not without knowing ALOT12:44
kirtispunkass, Well you could make it suid.. but that's not really secure.  How about mounting it once on bootup, then putting a symlink in each users home?12:44
robertjfirst you'd have to know what you were conceptionally doing, and second you'd have to be able to kill vital system services in windows12:44
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robertjtheoretically you can use bootlin+chainloader12:44
robertjfrom there, you could set up a chroot inside a ramdisk, unmount / and fdisk that little space on your hard drive12:46
robertjso you would have a partition inside your NTFS12:46
kapputuhi brettcar you around ?12:46
robertjam I talking crazy talk?12:46
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pjzis bootlin a userspace program or is it the same as rebooting? ie. is it a subprocess or does it take over the whole OS?12:54
brettcarkapputu: Why yes I happen to be around12:54
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kapputumy reinstall went well with ext 3 but the system is slow12:54
bigbrother0074i'm still having a problem w/ my sda1 hdd12:54
robertjpjz: I don't know, but I know it was the recommended way of booting to linux before LILO came out in Redhat 212:54
bigbrother0074can anyone give me a hand?12:54
kapputualso my ethernet interface wasnt detected12:54
robertjthe big problem would be writing to the disk directly from win3212:54
kapputuso I missed downloading packages12:54
kapputuso what do you think I would have missed ?12:54
brettcarkapputu: Nothing, just run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade12:54
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brettcarAnd you'll be fine12:54
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robertjokay, what happens if you dd the install disk onto your hd from within windows ;)12:54
robertjthe only problem is you would need a specialized image that brought up sshd automatically with a default user12:54
bigbrother0074i can't seem to mount my sda1 hdd....12:54
pjzbigbrother0074: what happens when you try?12:54
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bigbrother0074pjz: when i turn it on, it doesn't automount like it's supposed to12:54
jackthetripperhas anyone seen that background ubuntu_calendar.png, I can't find it anywhere12:54
pjzbigbrother: can you manually mount it?12:54
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pjzbigbrother0074: after it's turned on, I mean12:54
bigbrother0074pjz:  how?  "mount /dev/sda1"?12:54
pjzbigbrother0074: almost: 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'12:54
bigbrother0074i'm not familiar w/ command line stuff12:54
kapputuanything new about Ubuntu ?12:54
bigbrother0074ok12:54
kirtisjackthetripper, apt-cache search ubuntu shows a ubuntu-calendar.. have you tried installing it?12:54
pjzbigbrother0074: see if that works12:54
bigbrother0074pjz: no, i don't think that did...12:54
pjzbigbrother0074; what did it say?12:54
bigbrother0074it opened up a file browser: dev that had icons for the folders12:54
jackthetripperThanks kirtis that did it12:54
bigbrother0074but it's not listed under the drives12:54
kapputucan I install more than one package at a time using apt-get ?12:54
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robertjpjz: do you have a spare local computer?12:54
bigbrother0074i'm sorry, tha'ts a file browser titeld mnt12:54
robertjif so, see if you can find a version on dd for windows that will let you dd to the drive with your windows system folder on it12:54
Pizbitkapputu: Yes12:55
kapputuhow Pizbit ?12:55
Pizbitkapputu: Just add the extra package names to the command12:55
Pizbiteg: apt-get install package1 package212:55
guptanHi room, how about installing Xfce 4.2 beta relase on Ubuntu?12:55
kapputuany idea why I would want to install gcc-doc for mplayer ?12:56
pjzrobertj: oh! I just realized I have a 128MB (122 usable) USB memstick here I could maybe boot from12:56
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robertjpjz: well yeah, but if its not stuck in your server, what good does that do?12:56
pjzbigbrother0074: hrm, dunno12:56
pjzrobertj: I'm next to the server12:56
robertjoh12:56
pjzrobertj: it just doesn't have a CD or floppy12:56
robertjSo why don't you just go buy a cdrom drive?12:56
bigbrother0074can anybody else help me out then?12:56
robertjThey are $1212:56
pjzrobertj: heh, yah, that's likely the answer12:56
robertjBut yeah, you can do an install12:56
punkassany thought out there how i can mount some samba shares at boot up/per user   ie in xdm/Xsession or something12:57
robertjwell your motherboard may or may not boot off the usb keychain12:57
pjzrobertj: is ther a smaller 'live' image I could put on the keychain?12:57
bigbrother0074pjz: when i look to see what's mounted, i see this: /dev/sda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw)12:58
bigbrother0074what does that mean?12:58
robertjpjz: dunno12:58
robertjfind any keychain linux distro, boot, partition, format, download base.tar.gz from potato, unzip, edit /etc/network/interfaces, edit /etc/resolv.conf, edit /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade12:59
kirtisAnyone know how to clear the bash aliases?12:59
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guptanbigbrother0074, that shows ur usb disc mounted on /mnt01:00
punkasskirtis: i believe they are in .bashrc01:00
kirtissorry, nm i found it.01:00
punkassor .bash_profile01:00
punkass:)01:00
kirtisunalias in case anyone wants to know.01:00
bigbrother0074guptan:  but it's not actually mounted....i can't browse the files or anything01:00
pjzrobertj: any suggs on a keychain distroy?01:01
robertjnope01:01
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guptanbigbrother0074, does nautilus gives u any error while trying to access it?01:02
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bigbrother0074guptan: nautilus doesn't list it for me -- it shows it there, but says it's empty...same as it did when it wasn't mounted01:03
bigbrother0074guptan: i'm looking under /media/ ...should i be looking elsewhere?01:03
guptanbigbrother0074, try accessing it as root01:03
guptanbigbrother0074, u said its mounted under /mnt rt?01:03
bigbrother0074guptan: nothin there either01:04
bigbrother0074guptan:  rt?01:04
guptantry accessing it as root bigbrother007401:04
bigbrother0074guptan: i was root when i mounted it01:04
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bigbrother0074i did01:04
guptanbigbrother0074, how u mounted it?01:04
bigbrother0074'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' i think01:05
guptanbigbrother0074, umount it and try mount -o uid=your_username /dev/sda1/ /mnt01:05
bigbrother0074k01:05
kapputudoes anyone know how to enable SMB support for MPlayer ?01:05
HrdwrBoBI'm not sure it exists01:06
HrdwrBoBwhy don't you mount the smb share01:06
HrdwrBoBand then just use mplayer normally01:06
bigbrother0074guptan:  how did that work?01:07
bigbrother0074guptan: it works, but...how?01:07
bigbrother0074guptan:  wait, i still don't see it in nautilus01:08
guptanbigbrother0074, you mounted first time as root, so u ended up without having access to it01:08
guptanbigbrother0074, to see in nautilus u need to mount /dev/sda1 to some folder in /media01:08
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bigbrother0074guptan: how exactly would i do that?  'mount /dev/sda1 /media/'?01:09
guptanbigbrother0074, create a folder under /media, and remount sda1 to there01:10
guptanbigbrother0074, mkdir /media/usb; mount -o uid=your_username /dev/sda1 /media/usb will do01:11
bigbrother0074guptan: ok, thanks01:11
guptanbigbrother0074, you are welcome01:11
kapputuhow do I mount the smb share ?01:11
bigbrother0074guptan:  it works....thanks again.  i don't know what i would do w/o this channel.  heh.01:12
Poyayanis transparency only availible with X.org?01:12
Poyayanas in can I make gnome-terminal transparent?01:12
geppyPoyayan:  I believe so.01:12
guptanbigbrother0074, neither me :)01:12
Poyayanoh well no big deal01:12
bigbrother0074heh.  so will it automount anymore?01:13
Poyayananyone know how I can turn of the sound when the ubuntu login screen shows up?01:13
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jdubPoyayan: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf01:13
jdubPoyayan: or Computer > System Configuration > Login Screen Setup01:14
kirtisPoyayan, There's an option for it in Login Screen Setup, under System COnfiguration01:14
jdubfor guiness01:14
Poyayanlol nevermind I'm a retard01:14
geppyYeah, why is Ubuntu using XFree86, anyways?01:14
jdubsee the FAQ01:15
geppyThanks.01:15
bigbrother0074guptan: will it automount anymore?01:15
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guptanbigbrother0074, you may need to add entry in /etc/fstab01:15
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guptanbigbrother0074, oops I think I wrongly answered ur question01:16
Poyayanbrb01:16
guptanbigbrother0074, I think there is an article in ubuntu wiki about nautilus automounting01:17
bigbrother0074Ohmer, ok01:17
bigbrother0074grr...."oh" != "ohmer"...i keep forgetting01:17
Ohmerlol01:18
HrdwrBoB /kick ohmer you play hell with autocomplete!01:18
HrdwrBoBoh.. did I say that out loud? ;)01:18
bigbrother0074haha01:19
kapputuhi geppy01:20
geppykapputu:  Hello.01:20
bigbrother0074guptan: where is the nautilus automounting page?01:20
kapputuwhere do I download w32codecs from ?01:20
geppyLook on google.01:20
tsenggoogle debian marillat01:20
kapputuno good links01:21
kapputumarillat doesn't have it01:21
geppyhttp://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list01:21
geppyAre you sure?01:21
kapputuwill a debian package be compatible with ubuntu ?01:22
geppyEh, it's not advised, but yes.01:22
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geppyI'm not seeing anything on why they chose XFree86 in the FAQ.  Perhaps a link?01:22
guptanbigbrother0074, i'm not sure, let me check it01:23
bigbrother0074guptan: ok01:23
kapputuhow bad will the screw up be ?01:23
guptanbigbrother0074, that is not an how-to; its about helping them to make automounting more better01:23
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guptanbigbrother0074, there is no guarantee that automounting will work with your time everytime u plugin ur usb stick01:24
punkasswhat is the easiest way to run as script as root when a user logs in?01:24
bigbrother0074guptan:  but it was working fine until today...!01:24
kapputuwhich is the best FTP server ?01:25
jdubvsftp01:25
guptanbigbrother0074, I don't have any comment. same thing happened with me, and I have to manually do it01:25
jdubwhich is supported in ubuntu01:25
kapputuvs or ws ?01:25
LinuxJonespunkass, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=330601:26
jdubvs01:26
jdubws is a windows client01:26
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kapputuok w32codecs is used by MPlayer ?01:26
LinuxJoneskapputu, yes and xine as well by default.01:27
geppyyes01:27
bigbrother0074guptan:  ok...thanks for your help01:27
punkassLinuxJones: hmm ok that may work...what i am trying to do is mount smaba shares at bootup/per user ..i use $USER etc01:28
punkassi have it in xdm/Xsessions on a fedora box and it is working fine01:28
kapputuso how do I make MPlayer use w23codecs ?01:28
punkassso i tried in gdm/Xsession but i get nothing01:28
LinuxJonespunkass, I don't have any MS products so I don't realy know anything about Samba but give me a sec, I know of a goot tutorial :)01:29
LinuxJonespunkass, >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html << hope this helps01:30
punkassnot really..but thanks01:31
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LinuxJonespunkass, heh01:32
punkassi can mount stuff just fine01:32
punkassits just i want to mount shares based on $USER  $UID etc when a user logs on01:32
LinuxJonespunkass, is there a samba group created when you install the samba service ?01:34
kapputuwhat's the line in the fstab if I want to mount my fat partitions automatically and allow all users to read and write ?01:34
punkassoh doh...got it smbmnt has to be suid root01:34
LinuxJonespunkass, from that tutorial >> If you had several users you wanted to have read/write access to it, create a group and add those users to the group.01:36
LinuxJonespunkass, from that tutorial >> Then specify just that groupid in the /etc/fstab file.01:36
punkassyes but i am mounting the with there own user/pass and depending who it is they get different shares01:38
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punkassbut the group thing is good to know01:38
kapputudo I have to configure the winlibdir in MPlayer if I want MPlayer to use w32codecs ?01:40
Pizbitmplayer should pickup that you have the w32codecs package installed01:40
kapputucool01:40
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kapputuhmm jdub suggested vsftp for FTP server, but apt can't find it01:41
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LinuxJoneskapputu, it must be in the universe repository because I can see it01:42
kapputui find vsftpd01:43
LinuxJoneskapputu, that's it :)01:43
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kapputuok is the doc for vsftp good or is there a generic doc on how to setup a secure FTP server ?01:44
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kapputuok I don't understand umask01:45
kapputuwhat is it and what does the numbers 022, 077 stand for ?01:45
PizbitPermissions01:46
kapputuoh ok01:46
kapputu1 for execute, 4 for read and 2 for write ?01:46
eruin022 be weird permissions01:46
eruin;P01:46
eruin6 write, 7 for execute01:47
brettcar6 is rw01:47
kapputuu mean rw and rx01:47
brettcarand 7 is rwx01:47
thoreauputiceruin: no, that's for chmod etc - umask is the reverse01:47
PizbitHeh, I'm guessing, but it seems to be tied up with permissions anyway.01:47
eruinI'm retarded01:47
kapputureverse ?01:47
LinuxJoneskapputu, ya it is opposite01:47
brettcarumask is AND'd not really reverse?01:48
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thoreauputickapputu: eg umask 0 allows full perms, 2 reduces it to read and so on01:48
kapputuu mean it's read in reverse order ?01:48
sparkycolakapputu: openssh comes with sftp01:48
thoreauputicno it's subtracted01:48
LinuxJoneskapputu, you like have to subtract the numbers01:48
brettcarAND'd not subtracted!01:48
kapputuic01:48
kapputuwhat do u mean by ANDed ?01:49
LinuxJonesbrettcar, what is AND'd ?01:49
brettcarIt runs a boolean AND operation01:49
brettcarnot subtraction01:49
kapputu000 & 010 & 010 ?01:49
thoreauputicbrettcar: keep it simple to make it comprehensible01:49
kapputuAND the columns ?01:49
kappututhoreauputic, I understand this stuf01:50
brettcareach one seperately01:50
brettcaragainst 7 I think.01:50
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kapputubut you AND the columns right ?01:50
thoreauputic*shrug*01:50
kapputuI don't seem like it, thoreauputic do I ?01:51
thoreauputickapputu: I wouldn't know - I was just tryong to keep the umask thing simpler01:51
thoreauputic*trying01:51
kapputuAND'ing 110 and 000 gives me 00001:52
kapputudoesn't make sense01:52
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brettcarkapputu: Yeah I'm wrong.01:52
brettcarSorry01:52
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usualhello all01:52
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kapputuhmm I hope you aren't being sarcastic01:52
WWHello world.01:52
usualmy name is Colin01:52
kapputuHi Colin01:53
kapputuwhat's up01:53
usualhi :)01:53
usualnot alot, relaxing, about to eat a pot pie01:53
usualjust bought a new car01:53
kapputugreat !01:53
thoreauputickapputu: seriously, man umask explains it quite well (which is nice for a man page ;)01:53
usual:)01:53
WWHas anybody joined the wiki recently?01:53
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imkahey all01:53
usualI am loving ubuntu so far01:54
usualcoming from a long time debian user and recent slackware user01:54
kapputuyep me too even though it screwed up yesterday01:54
usualubuntu was a breathe of fresh air01:54
kapputui'm not sure I understand how to AND decimal numbers01:54
imkai'm concerned about my cpu. i've installed dvd::rip today, and i'm transcoding my first dvd. my cpu has been running on 100% for the last hour, and it's gonna be like that for another 3,5 or so01:55
LinuxJonesusual, I can't wait to see hoary in april. There will be 500 people in irc :D01:55
kapputuI understand umask now but01:55
HrdwrBoBLinuxJones: oh god :/01:55
kapputuoh just 500 ??01:55
LinuxJonesHrdwrBoB, heh01:55
usualLinuxJones, thats the next release correct?01:55
kapputuhey anyway I can help with hoary ?01:55
LinuxJonesusual, yes01:55
kapputuI'm a quick learner and a good programmer01:55
usualLinuxJones, is this an official ubuntu channel?01:55
kappututhough, once again, I don't appear to be one01:55
HrdwrBoBusual: yes01:55
LinuxJonesusual, THE official :)01:56
usualk01:56
usualhehe01:56
HrdwrBoBkapputu: #ubuntu-devel01:56
HrdwrBoBalso ubuntu-devel mailing list01:56
usuali get a funky error at boot01:56
imkai'm thinking about installing a lightweight wm. how much cpu resources does gnome take? i'm really concerned about my cpu.01:56
usuali'm sure many do01:56
usualtrying to load a module that doesn't exist01:56
HrdwrBoBimka: about 6.401:57
kapputupciehp ?01:57
usualhw_random or something01:57
usualwhats up with that01:57
HrdwrBoBimka: what cpu do you have?01:57
imkaathlon xp 140001:57
HrdwrBoBimka: the impact of gnome on a machine of those specs is effectively neglible01:57
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imkahmmm01:57
sparkycolathts more ram based01:57
thoreauputicimka: that can handle any wm or desktop easily - RAM is a bigger issue01:57
sparkycolathan cpu01:57
imkai'm fine with ram01:58
imkait's not even at 50%, swap untouched01:58
thoreauputicimka: then you have nothing to worry about :)01:58
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fscanybody know the proper way to use update-alternatives?01:58
WWNevermind, I figured it out... the wiki sign-in/login screen asks for a User Name, but it really wants your email address.01:58
punkassis there way to make mounted items appear on the desktop?01:58
imkathoreauputic not even my cpu running on 100% for 4 hours?01:58
brettcarWW: How'd you get to sign-up?01:59
fscI want to use gvim instead of vim as my vi editor in /etc/alternatives01:59
HrdwrBoBimka: why would it be doing that01:59
thoreauputicimka: well, see which process is causing that01:59
HrdwrBoBimka: if it is, start gnome-system-monitor and see what's doing it01:59
imkatranscode. i'm ripping a dvd01:59
HrdwrBoBoh01:59
imkai know exactly what's going on01:59
LinuxJonesimka, run top and have a look as to what is eating all of your resources.01:59
WWbrettcar: I just went to the register page in the wiki.01:59
LinuxJonesimka, lol01:59
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HrdwrBoBimka: running gnome at the same time as transcoding01:59
HrdwrBoBmakes no detectable difference02:00
mdzusual: the error is harmless; the system thinks that you have a hardware random number generator, but you don't02:00
brettcarWW: For the *new* wiki?02:00
usualI have a module that fails to load every boot, called hw_random or something like that, it happened in rc and final release02:00
WWbrettcar: Yes, the one linked from the main ubuntu web page.02:00
usualmdz, i figured it was harmless, can I remove that error02:00
Lathiatfsc: update-alternatives --config vim ?02:00
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Poyayanyeah02:00
brettcarWW: Ah I see02:00
brettcarthey have a Join link now!02:00
usualmdz, recompile the kernel without something02:00
usual?02:00
Poyayanusual add it to your modules-blacklist02:00
usualok02:01
kapputua quick question02:01
WWbrettcar: Oops, that's what I meant, the join page.02:01
Poyayanit's in /etc/hotplug02:01
kapputuI need to access a shared drive on a Windows machine02:01
Poyayanjust add hw_random somewhere in there02:01
usualPoyayan, thank you02:01
Poyayannp I had the same problem :)02:01
kapputubut I dont have a password for the user in that machine02:01
imkapunkass: computer/Desktop preferences/removable devices02:01
kapputuwhat do I give in the fstab for password ?02:01
usualPoyayan, what file02:02
Poyayanblacklist02:02
usualPoyayan, there are many in /etc/hotplug02:02
usualok02:02
imkagood nite all02:02
Poyayanlet me know if that fixes your problem02:02
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punkassimka: hmmm...well i want it for smbmounted shares02:02
usualPoyayan, will reboot and see02:03
WWPoyayan: Adding hw_random to blacklist got rid of the error for me :)02:03
Poyayanyeah I know same here02:04
Poyayanusual was the one having the problem02:04
WWPoyayan: Right.02:04
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WWPoyayan: And so will almost every new user for the next six months! :)02:04
Poyayanlol02:04
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usualPoyayan, worked great thanks02:05
Poyayanok cool02:05
WWPoyayan: I have one more annoying (but cosmetic) boot error, involving i823650 and yenta_socket.  Are these also modules that I could add to blacklist?02:05
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WW...anyone else can answer if they know ^^^02:06
Poyayanhmm02:06
srbakerWW, on your laptop?02:07
Poyayanum you should just use name given in the error message02:07
WWsrbaker: Nope, this is a desktop.  I know those are PCMCIA-related modules.02:07
srbakerWW, then blacklist them02:07
srbakerWW, better yet, i think you can disable pcmcia in discover.conf02:08
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Poyayanyeah discover.conf might work02:09
WWsrbaker: I'll take a look at discover.conf.  Blacklisting does seem like an indirect way to fix the problem.02:09
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benjanetwhat driver should i use in CUPS for my Epson Stylus C60 ? dont seem to find it on the list02:09
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LinuxJonesbenjanet, choose the closest model to yours02:12
usualsomeone should add a howto to the wiki that explains using the nvidia packages02:13
usualI use the files from nvidia, but the packages are there02:13
benjanetLinuxJones, i only saw modes with 3 digits, like 500, 600, etc...none worked02:13
jdubusual: BinaryDriverHowto...02:13
usualk02:13
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jonohi all02:15
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LinuxJonesjono, hiya :)02:16
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jonoheya LinuxJones :)02:16
jonohows it going?02:16
LinuxJonesjono, not great atm :( your up late :P02:17
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jonoLinuxJones, yeah got in from a band practice, we are about to release our album and we have the release party on saturday night02:17
Poyayanwhy isn't there a tool in gnome to change the splash screen?02:17
jonowww.seraphidian.com02:17
PoyayanI wouldn't think it would be that hard02:17
LinuxJonesjono, you have some .oggs on that site ?02:18
jonoLinuxJones, not of the new stuff yet02:18
jonoits pretty heavy music02:18
jonochuggy metal02:19
LinuxJonesjono, Iron Maiden is probably my favorite band...well the early stuff anyways :)02:19
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jonoLinuxJones, cool, well this kinda like pantera, fear factory and overkill rolled into one with a maiden'y tradition02:20
LinuxJonesjono, I seen Maiden in Toronto in like 2001 they were still rocking even in their mid-40's :)02:21
jonowe are currently in discussions with some labels02:21
jonoLinuxJones, yeah, they are cool :)02:21
LinuxJonesjono, awesome02:21
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jonoone label is coming to see us play hopefully at the Ruskin Arms in London where Maiden used to gig all the time02:22
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brettcarhttp://zwiki.org/RSSFeeds02:22
brettcarAnyone?02:22
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CocoToni<newb> is this the right place to ask about problem I have in warty?02:23
GotD0tyup02:23
LinuxJonesjono, I would love to listen to some of your stuff, I need a good dose of some good metal.02:24
CocoTonifor the life of me, I can't get an application to update the menu after installation02:24
CocoTonisomeone suggested apt-get install menu, but no luck02:24
benjanetwhat driver should i use in CUPS for my Epson Stylus C60 ? dont seem to find it on the list02:24
jdubCocoToni: which app?02:25
jonoLinuxJones, buy the album :)02:25
jdubCocoToni: only apps that have gnome icon definitions in them will appear in the menu02:25
CocoTonijdub: Opera. Comes in a nice .deb02:25
LinuxJonesjono, heh when it is release I will be your 1st fan in Canada :)02:25
jdubyeah, probably doesn't have a .desktop file02:25
CocoTonijdub: has an icon02:25
jonoLinuxJones, we are gonna stick some samples online soon :)02:25
LinuxJonesjono, great02:25
jonoLinuxJones, we are trying to build up some fans across the world - we have some fans in .au .nz and .de02:26
jonoLinuxJones, you work for Canonical?02:26
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CocoTonijdub: I know people hate when they are compared, but in RHEL install just places the icon in the right place in the menu02:26
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twisted_steelCocoToni: have you tried logging off and logging back in to see if it shows up?02:27
LinuxJonesjono, nope but I would like to get out of the crappy job I have ATM :)02:27
jdubCocoToni: is there a .desktop file in the package?02:27
CocoTonitwisted_steel: yes, since I was not sure how to update it02:27
jonoLinuxJones, heh02:27
CocoTonijdub: lemme check02:27
LinuxJonesjono, starting a video production company very soon02:27
jonovideo production, cool, my girlfriend is a video editor02:28
jonoshe did the DVD that comes with the album02:28
usualAre there any howto's on using a graphical grub ubuntu theme? or even a status loading splash?02:28
jonoin the album it also says "Inside layout created with GIMP and Open Source" :)_02:29
jonodo my bit for the movement :)02:29
jdubusual: the next release will have a kickarse graphical startup02:29
LinuxJonesjono, sweet02:29
LinuxJonesjono, she is running a mac no doubt02:29
usualjdub, cool, does ubuntu have a stable and unstable branch accessable to the public? like debian with stable/testing/unstable02:30
jonowe are looking to set up street teams for the band in different parts of the world, would you be interested in helping for Canada?02:30
jonoLinuxJones, she is windows based actually02:30
LinuxJonesjono, what is a streat team ?02:30
LinuxJonesjono, err street02:30
xskoulaxLinuxJones: they help promote the band/product02:31
jonoLinuxJones, basically, people who like a band and help to get the band publicised in their area02:31
jdubusual: warty is our current released version02:31
LinuxJonesjono, you mean like a groupy :)02:31
jdubusual: the hoary devel branch will be ready for testing soon02:31
jonothings such as getting the CD played in clubs, radio stations, magazine coverage etc02:31
usualjdub, look forward to it02:31
jonoLinuxJones, hehe, more like being the Canadian wing of the band02:31
LinuxJonesjono, heh :)02:31
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jonoLinuxJones, would you be interested?02:32
LinuxJonesjono, I would have to hear some of the music 1st :)02:32
jonosure :)02:32
usualjdub, are the packages in universe considered trustworthy and stable, even though they are not supported?02:32
jonoLinuxJones, mail me at jono@jonobacon.org and I will mail you with a sample tomorrow02:32
whiprushgood evening everyone.02:32
jdubmostly, yeah02:32
waltJono, just listened to some samples of your band..nice02:32
jdubthey'll be even better in the next release02:32
jdubbecause there will be lots of people looking at them02:33
jdubhey whiprush02:33
LinuxJonesjono, metal is not big where I come from, they are into Shania Twain and Britany Spears and (shriek) rap :(02:33
usualjdub, ok, i just ask because with all the restrictions in multimedia, i wonder if the packages to make things work are hurting anything02:33
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jonough02:33
jonowalt, cheers man, those samples are no where near the quality of the new album, I promise02:33
Kleggashi, I have a problem with xfree86 in ubuntu. I tried to display gdesklets wich started without errors, but they didnt show on desktop, I started root-tail without errors, it didtn show on desktop. nothing I try putting on the desktop seems to work. I have gnomepanel, nautilus and such, but nothing extra works, why?02:33
whiprushooh, jono does metal?02:34
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xskoulaxahhh, any estimates when the cds will ship?02:34
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LinuxJonesxskoulax, early november I think02:35
jonowhiprush, yep, www.seraphidian.com02:35
xskoulaxLinuxJones: thx much02:35
jonodid'nt know there were so many metallers in here hehe02:35
jonohang on, let me stick a sample online02:35
jonook, just gonna make a sample, one sec02:36
whiprushhmm, my "blow me up box" is handling the hoary updates fine so far.02:37
whiprushOne broken perl package earlier, but other than that ...02:37
usualubuntu should come with gnome set to low resources02:38
usualor reduced_resources02:38
jdubusual: there is no 'low resources' setting. it doesn't do stupid things by default.02:38
jduboh, the metacity setting?02:38
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jdubthat's totally up to the user02:38
usualjdub, yea02:38
jdubnot something worth doing by default02:38
whiprushthe "frame windows" thing misdraws for me when I turn that on.02:39
usualjdub, yea I understand, they are just so annoying....animated min/max02:39
jdubusual: that's a panel setting.02:39
usualjdub, how come i have to do it in metacity ?02:39
usualjdub, I never saw it in panel02:39
jduboh, right, i grok what you mean02:40
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jdubthere was a panel setting for that too02:41
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usualdesktop locked up02:43
usualthats a first heh02:44
CocoTonijdub: RE menus, and Opera - no it doesn't have opera.desktop installed in /usr/share/applications :(02:44
jdubCocoToni: that'd be why :)02:44
CocoTonijdub: is there a way to use Debian standard /usr/lib/menu system?02:44
jdubno02:45
CocoToni:(02:45
jdubthat has been removed with great prejudice02:45
whiprushheh02:45
CocoToniso should I expect that .debs will slowly move to the standard where they place .desktop in appropriate place?02:46
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jdubCocoToni: any software that intends to appear in the kde or gnome menu systems should do that02:47
jdubCocoToni: no matter what kind of package format or archive they're distributed in02:47
whiprushWW: I too, will not miss the 38-level nested nightmare.02:47
whiprushjdub: so this polyopaudio is pretty good eh?02:48
jdubnot according to _A_02:49
jdubbut lennart will fix it02:49
whiprushheh02:49
whiprushyeah I saw that02:49
CocoToniOk, thanks for the info. I'll go pest the Opera developers now to package it better :)02:50
whiprushwell, switching to it was easy enough02:50
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whiprushdidn't even have to stop my session02:50
eL_RaNuhi...02:51
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eL_RaNui have a problem with ubuntu, i install it without a problem, but when i start ubuntu when i log in in gdm, gnome splash the screen of ubuntu and freeze02:54
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eL_RaNuany idea?? i don't have sound card,02:54
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aitruseL_RaNu: apparently you have an old version.... that is a known bug that has been fixed02:55
aitruseL_RaNu: let me find it02:55
Agrajag-anyone know if it's possible to install ubuntu on a external usb mass storage device?02:56
HrdwrBoBhm02:56
HrdwrBoBnot sure02:57
aitruseL_RaNu: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194302:57
jonoLinuxJones, walt, whiprush: http://www.seraphidian.com/downloads/music/cagedsamples/seraphidian-caged-sample.ogg02:58
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jonoat the moment, only a handful of people have heard the new record02:58
jonoand there is a sample :)02:59
eL_RaNuthanks, aitrus, lets see....02:59
whiprushwoo03:00
whiprushsweet, when's the release date, I'll snag a copy.03:01
LinuxJonesjono, omg it sounds like Celtic Frost :D03:01
Hikaru79I want to write a short script that only does two things sequentially: goes into a directory, and runs a command03:01
Hikaru79How would I do that, supposing I wanted this script to run from my desktop? ^ ^;03:02
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waltNice, jono..will be seeing about getting the cd!03:02
jonoLinuxJones, :)03:02
LinuxJonesheh03:02
jonowalt, cool03:02
jonowalt, where are you based?03:02
waltUSA, near Philadelphia03:02
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jonowalt, cool, we are planning to get over to the US sometime in the near future03:03
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kapputuhi all03:06
kapputuwhere is ogra03:06
waltJono, if you come to the US, you should check out the TLA in Philadelphia03:06
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whiprush... and harpos in Detroit.03:06
kapputuwhat's TLA ?03:06
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jonowalt, TLA?03:09
PuddPunkthree letter acronym03:09
walttheater of the living arts03:09
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jonooh cool03:10
jonowalt, well if you want to be in the US Seraphidian street team, let me know :)03:10
kapputugood one PuddPunk03:10
PuddPunk:D03:11
whiprushI'm a dork, I thought up Tom Lord's Arena.03:12
whiprush...03:12
NafalloI just changed from debian sarge to ubuntu warty on my server. I used aptitude for the dist-upgrade :-).03:12
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waltsome great bands perform there03:14
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LinuxJonesNafallo, welcome aboard :)03:15
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jonoright I am off to bed03:15
jonolater all03:15
LinuxJonesjono, gnight :)03:15
TenniruUm, I just manually installed a .deb of Opera and then removed the menu.03:15
TenniruHow do I remove the whole installation?03:15
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waltlater03:15
TenniruSo I can get the defaults back?03:15
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TenniruI know, I'm a blockhead.03:15
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whiprushTenniru: they have an apt repo you know, so you don't have to install by hand03:16
newusrtesting03:16
TenniruI know.03:16
whiprushprobably built for debian, so ymmv03:16
TenniruI just have a .deb that I used dpkg to install...03:16
TenniruAnd I need to know how to remove it.03:16
TenniruBecause, well, I need that menu.03:17
whiprushdpkg -r blah03:17
newusrHi all, I have a couple of questions re: ubuntu.  Can anyone help?03:17
Tenniruokay.03:17
NafalloLinuxJones: thanks. now I switched all running systems to ubuntu, though the clients are re-installed :-).03:17
JaraminI'm having a hard time installing on a white and blue G3, everything goes fine, then after the install is complete I reboot and get this: Starting Ubuntu...03:18
Jaraminpivot_root: No such file or directory03:18
JaraminKernel panic: Attempted to kill init03:18
Nafallofinally my system uses an AMD64-dist again :-)03:18
Jaraminpivot_root: No such file or directory03:18
JaraminKernel panic: Attempted to kill init03:18
LinuxJonesNafallo, you will love Ubuntu in a few days :)03:18
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xskoulax-newusr: i'm sure someone here can03:18
NafalloLinuxJones: I already do ;-).03:18
LinuxJonesheh03:19
TenniruGah! It didn't work!03:19
TenniruHow do I get my menu back in Opera?03:19
NafalloLinuxJones: my girlfriend wanted to re-install debian though :-P.03:19
whiprushby menu do you mean an icon of the app in your menu?03:19
whiprushor is the menu missing from the application or something03:19
TenniruNo, I mean..03:19
TenniruThe menu in the application.03:19
TenniruI accidentially removed it.03:20
whiprushwhoa.03:20
TenniruHow do I get it back?03:20
NafalloLinuxJones: didn't like gnome, so I showed here universe so she could install kde again.03:20
LinuxJonesNafallo, Debian is my #2 distro and there is no #3 :)03:20
newusrOK, I've got a RH9 installation with RAID1 on all partitions (including root).  Will the Ubuntu install see these mdX devs and support them?03:20
whiprushoh, probably in the app itself, maybe right click on the toolbar?03:20
NafalloLinuxJones: hehe, same. even though I loved gentoo a year ago :-P.03:20
eL_RaNuI have a problem, when i log in ubuntu in gdm, the splash screen of ubuntu frezee, here is the last line of var/log/gdm : Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!03:21
TenniruGeh! It won't work!03:21
eL_RaNuany idea???03:21
TenniruIs there any other relatively modern browser that has better rendering than FireFox?03:21
NafalloLinuxJones: I always do get back to debian anyhow. And yes, I do count ubuntu to be debian :-P.03:21
LinuxJonesNafallo, I tried Gentoo but it was not worth the time. If you have very specific task to do that it is great but, not worth the effort for a desktop system.03:21
PuddPunkTenniru, no, i dont think so. Konq can render a few pages better, but i think firefox is the best03:22
NafalloLinuxJones: I was running fluxbox at that time so... ;-)03:22
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LinuxJonesNafallo,  good point :)03:22
NafalloLinuxJones: before ubuntu I was using fluxbox with gnome- and kdelibs ;-)03:22
LinuxJonesNafallo,  I was running it when using KDE, 12 hours to complie a new release is retarded03:22
PuddPunki run gentoo on my desktop, fits my needs really well. hobby system mostly, up to date etc...03:23
JaraminHmm, anyone here installed Ubuntu on a blue and white G3 with success?03:23
PuddPunkubuntu on my laptop03:23
hackeronHey, just installed ubuntu -- 1 problem: If choosing to fetch packages from internet, it fails to install many packages like X, etc :(03:23
whiprushTenniru: it probably left a .opera or something in your home dir. try moving it out of the way and see if it resets itself to the defaults.03:23
TenniruIt's there.03:23
TenniruOkay.03:23
whiprushTenniru: also, here's a good apt and dpkg reference: http://intrepid.perlmonk.org/apt-dpkg-brief-ref.html03:23
NafalloLinuxJones: I agree. gentoo unstable is really eating up the cpu ;-)03:23
xskoulax-newusr said: OK, I've got a RH9 installation with RAID1 on all partitions (including root).  Will the Ubuntu install see these mdX devs and support them?03:23
hackeronalso, max resolution is 1024x1024 -- I'm use to 1600x1200 :(03:23
whiprushif you're unfamiliar with apt and dpkg you should probably keep that handy03:24
TenniruHorray! I got it!03:24
TenniruI have Ubuntu on a Dual USB iBook G3. Aside from the sleep screwup, it works fine.03:24
Nafallodamn, I want PPC to!03:26
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newusrDoes anyone have experience installing Ubuntu on a system with existing RAID1 partitions?03:27
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devolveexploring the multiverse, trying to install transcode...03:29
devolvelooks like i did fine, but I can't seem to link against it.  I think I pu5t it in the wrong place03:29
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altanargh, many of my GNOME icons are now screwed up03:30
devolvei unpacked it to /usr/local/transcode-0.6.2 or whatever, did a ./configure , ./configure && make all , and then a make install03:31
devolveI don't think i installed it in my path correctly03:31
devolveor something03:31
altani just installed one theme, switched back to human, then I rebooted, and now some of the icons are like the 404 icon03:31
altanon internet explorer, the white page with the red X03:31
devolvehmnmm... reinstall...?03:31
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hackeron_hmm, also, the faq says run sudo apt-get install linux-686 -- but that says: E: Couldn't find package linux-68603:32
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Poyayanwho here has a 1600x1200 laptop?03:35
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PuddPunki wish!03:35
PuddPunki have an 800x600 laptop :(03:36
rviranihow do I  install linux-wlan-ng?03:36
rviraniI want support for me DWL 12203:36
hackeron_Poyayan: well, my lappie is 1280x768 10" wide screen03:36
Poyayanmy screen flickers for some reason when I have horizSync at 31.5-90 and vertrefresh at 6003:36
rviraniby the way those of you on the devel team, this is the best powerpc distro I have ever used :d03:36
rviraniyou even got it working with my ibook03:36
Poyayanlaptop screens only run at a refresh rate of 60 right?03:36
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rviraniPoyayan, yeah03:37
Poyayanhackeron_ what do you have for you HorizSync and VertRefresh?03:37
cef_workjdub: found out what the ubuntu logo font is by any chance?03:37
danielsrvirani: try removing the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines altogether03:38
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Poyayanwell I've used linux for ages and over a year on this laptop and I've never had my screen flicker before03:38
scopecrpanyone successfully built firefox on warty?03:38
unpersonHi All.  I just installed Ubuntu and I have to say that so far I'm pretty impressed.  Install was quite painless and things seem to work very well.  At the least it's quite pretty.  I'm having some problems with the media players, though.03:38
Nafallohmm, anyone running an ubuntumirror?03:38
Poyayanwhat problems unperson?03:39
unpersonI'm actually normally a KDE person, so the apps are a bit new to me.03:39
devolveI found that adding the multiverse repository helped me immensely as far as media players are concerned03:39
PoyayanI should install mplayer03:39
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Nafallodevolve: I added it when you mentioned transcode. thanks :-).03:40
Poyayanxine keeps messing up and giving me random blue-screens03:40
Poyayananyway time to test something brb03:40
unpersonFirst of all, is Totem only a video player, or is one of these "media players" that can also be used to play music?03:41
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HrdwrBoBunperson: it's a media player03:41
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bob2all "media players" are horrible, afaik03:42
unpersonOk, so when I try to play an mp3 with totem I get "Totem could not play 'file:///home/nickc/My Favorite Things - John Coltrane.mp3'.Failed to open; reason unknown"03:42
ploumI suggest that canonical donate some money to spreadfirefox.com in order to appears in the NY-Times ad03:42
bob2unperson: RestrictedFormats on the wiki03:42
devolvehey what is that debian-marillat mirror?03:42
Nafallobob2: tried mplayer in consolemode? ;-)03:42
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bob2Nafallo: for wma, yes03:42
Nafallodevolve: mplayer compiled for debian03:43
bob2and it's still a horrible player ;)03:43
Poyayanwhich player?03:43
Nafallobob2: hehe, I love it though :-)03:43
hackeron_Poyayan: GRR, gnome-terminal keeps freezing, let me get some sane terminal emulator installed first03:43
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Poyayanhuh?03:44
Poyayansorry I just got back03:44
Poyayanwhat are you doing?03:44
Nafallobob2: right now the one thing I'm missing from x86 are those binary codecs :-P.03:44
bob2Nafallo: they're in marillat's repository, but they'll never be in ubuntu03:44
bob2it's not even legal to distribute them, afaict03:44
Poyayanhey are u2 talking about xine or mplayer?  or something else?03:44
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Nafallobob2: yepp, x86-binarys that is... I'm on amd64 :-).03:45
bob2ah03:45
devolvenaffalo: is transcode in there?03:45
NafalloPoyayan: mplayer :-)03:45
Nafallodevolve: yepp03:45
Poyayanwell I've used both and I've had problems with the recent xines03:45
Poyayanand with xine you can't fast forward rapidly03:46
devolvenaffalo, what distribution and section do i use ?03:46
Poyayanit jumps back to the start each time you try03:46
devolve--i use synaptic mostly, but i dont have to..03:46
Nafallodevolve: I don't. but in debian I was using testing main :-)03:46
Nafallodevolve: didn't multiverse work?03:47
devolvenaffalo, are you on amd6403:47
Nafallodevolve: yepp03:47
Nafallodevolve: my lappy is :-)03:47
devolvemultiverse doesnt have transcode03:47
Nafallodevolve: ahh, right. you needed transcode :-)03:47
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Poyayanyou wanna know how to crash totem anytime you want?03:48
unpersonSo due to IP concerns, pretty much by default one won't be able to play any popular multimedia formats in ubuntu?  I mean, without adding other stuff from non-official sources.03:48
devolvenaffalo, i feel so close, I even compiled it myself but somehow I cannot link against it because i installed it in /usr/local/03:48
bob2unperson: patent-encumbered formats, yes03:48
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Nafallodevolve: what are you trying to link?03:49
unpersonbob2, Which pretty much encludes every popular one, right?03:49
unpersonFor sound and video, anyway.03:49
bob2unperson: depends how you define popular03:49
lifelessbob2: hey dude03:49
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bob2but "most pirated files on p2p networks", yes.03:49
bob2lifeless: congrats!03:49
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Poyayanok I was wrong03:50
lifelessdid you get my test email yesterday ?03:50
unpersonbob2, Eh, well, say, used by more than 10% of the people on the net.  i.e. ogg vorbis doesn't qualify.03:50
bob2lifeless: jah03:50
PoyayanI can crash X entirely using totem03:50
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Poyayannot just totem03:50
unpersonbob2, Well, or in my case stuff I bought off emusic.03:50
lifelessthen your email is bust, as I didn't get your confirmation03:50
bob2unperson: then yes03:50
devolvenaffallo, i think i installed it wrong.  I extracted it to /usr/local/transcode-0.62/ then ran ./configure     ./configure && make all               make install03:50
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PoyayanI know someone wants to try03:51
devolvelike it said03:51
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kapputuhey bob how are u doin03:51
unpersonbob2, Ok.  I mean, it's not that hard to find stuff on other repositories, but I was curious if that was really the case.03:51
danielsPoyayan: what sort of video card do you have?03:51
PoyayanGeforce FX 5600 why?03:51
devolvebut because my libraries are in /usr/local/lib/ i think that dvdrip cannot link to them03:51
Poyayanwell actually Geforce FX Go 560003:51
bob2unperson: the wiki page tells you exactly how to get them, and they're not in "other repositories", generally03:51
keysersozeanyone know this other keysersoze chap, who was here a minute ago?03:52
Nafallodevolve: ahh, well. debian-marillat got dvd::rip to :-)03:52
keysersozei've got the nick registered, but he was using it03:52
Poyayanno idea key03:52
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Poyayanmaybe it was a ghost?03:52
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devolvenafallo: i feel like i need to doover, but there is no uninstall script-- i think i should have tried it in /usr instead of /usr/local/03:52
keysersozenope, I wasn't in this channel before03:52
Nafallokeysersoze: try /msg nickserv help set03:52
devolveNafallo: well, debian-marillat doesnt have amd64 stuff03:53
kapputuhow do I register my nick ?03:53
Poyayanhey whoever doesn't mind crashes X to test a bug please speak up03:53
Poyayanum crashing not crashes03:53
Nafallodevolve: ahh, you're on amd64 to :-P.03:53
unpersonbob2, I was saying non-official.  BUt yeah, like I said, not too hard.03:53
Nafallokapputu: /msg nickserv help03:53
cef_worksomeone needs to give that guy an amd6403:54
devolveNaffallo, i think i need to compile it myself.  but i need to put those libs where the debian dvdrip can find em...03:54
cef_workand a mac03:54
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Nafallodevolve: or compile dvd::rip?03:54
devolveNafallo: dvd::rip depends on transcode03:54
Nafallodevolve: btw, tried gtranscode?03:55
devolvedepends on transcode03:55
devolvegtranscode does03:55
kapputudo you guys use the X-chat client that comes with Ubuntu or is there a better one ?03:55
Nafallokapputu: I use gaim03:55
PuddPunkirssi is nice03:55
devolveNafallo: how do you undo a make install?03:55
PuddPunki hear there is a 0day floating round for irssi, watch yer back :)03:55
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Nafallodevolve: dunno. rm -rfv /usr/local/*/*?03:56
devolveaha--> make uninstall!03:56
PuddPunkremote root03:56
Nafallodevolve: LOL03:56
Nafallodamn! I've erased my sources :-P.03:57
danielsPuddPunk: irssi does not run as root03:57
Nafallodaniels: that depends ;-)03:57
Nafallodaniels: I used it on gentoo-cds for example :-P03:58
PuddPunkdaniels, thats true but i dont know much about it03:58
binary_10does anyone here have enemy territory running?03:58
danielsPuddPunk: if something does not run as root, then an exploit in it cannot give you root03:58
whiprushdaniels: my X40 gets here next week!!!!!03:58
devolveok, here goes, untarring into /usr, then trying again to configure, etc..03:58
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rviranihow do I  install linux-wlan-ng?03:58
rviraniI want support for me DWL 12203:58
kapputui luv ubuntu, I can do everything I can do in Windows03:59
Nafallodevolve: use /usr/src instead :-)03:59
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kapputua few issues but03:59
kapputuanyone want to help ?03:59
Nafallokapputu: it does more than windows :-)03:59
danielswhiprush: nice :)03:59
whiprushjust ask03:59
PuddPunkdaniels, yeah, i think it was used with a priv esc exploit as well (not for irssi)04:00
whiprushdaniels: yeah your blog post on the out-of-the-box workage pushed it over the edge.04:00
PuddPunkso what i really meant was remote exploitable, not remote root04:00
whiprushof course, the very next day they offered the 1.4Ghz P-M with it. :-/04:00
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Nafallohmm, so... noone holds an ubuntu-mirror? I need a new script for syncing :-).04:01
jason_Say I have a working prerelease version of Warty can I upgrade it fully to the final with out a final Warty CD?04:01
jason_can I do it through apt04:01
jason_?04:01
unpersonHmmm...these issues with prioprietary media formats seem to be a real stumbling block for linux distos to make things "just work", since they generally can't include many plugins or codecs that are fairly universal.  I know Libranet's solution was to not include them but make easy automated systems for the user to choose to get them.04:01
Nafallojason_: yes04:01
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danielswhiprush: yeah, they started offering 1.4GHz about 5 days after I ordered mine04:02
kapputuyes unperson04:02
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kapputuI'm having problems with sites that play music in a browser window having their own screwed up player04:02
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Nafallounperson: both yes and no. in gentoo you would only need to run emerge mplayer and you had everything :-P04:02
MeAndUi have installed mplayer-custom but if start from menu it just die out04:02
jason_well I ran synaptic and I hit reload and then I did a smart upgrade but it only upgraded 10MB of stuff04:03
MeAndUIs Mplayer broken in ubuntu04:03
jason_and I know there is more than that that has changed04:03
Nafallokapputu: you need a flashplayer most probably04:03
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kapputunope04:03
whiprushdaniels: I convinced my employer to snag it for me, so I can't complain.04:03
kapputuI have it04:03
danielswhiprush: nice!04:04
kapputuhi bob04:04
MeAndUAlso I could not find win32 codecs04:04
rviranikapputu, well as long as they generic I can probably help04:04
Nafallokapputu: restarted your browser since you've installed it?04:04
kapputuyes04:04
kapputuwww.musicindiaonline.com is one such site04:04
Nafallojason_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then :-)04:04
kapputuif anyone can help me with it, it would be great04:04
whiprushdaniels: how's the 3d performance? the bouncing cow isn't going to floor it is it?04:04
kapputunot that it matters much, but it's a pet peeve and haven't fixed it with any of the linux distros04:05
NafalloMeAndU: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main04:05
danielswhiprush: with the i855, pretty poor, but you can do reasonable stuff on it04:05
MeAndUNafallo, for the codec04:06
whiprushI'm not concerned about doom3, more like future gnome/Xorg candy.04:06
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kapputuevolution is not starting04:06
NafalloMeAndU: w32codecs are there.04:06
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jason_I fixed the prob the sources were commented out in the apt.sources file04:07
Nafallokapputu: I got 404 when I tried to listen. is that what you get?04:07
jason_no I am going to see nEkkid ppl when I log  in04:07
jason_lol04:07
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kapputuno I get redirected to an ad04:08
Nafallokapputu: have to be webmaster error.04:08
kapputuI mailed him04:08
kapputuno use04:08
Nafallojason_: isn't it nice? :-)04:09
jason_no they are ugly ;)04:09
Nafallokapputu: then /ignore the site?04:09
kapputuit's designed with the assumption that people coming to the site will use only windows04:09
Nafallojason_: :-P04:09
jason_maybe if it was Jenna Jamison04:09
kapputubstds04:09
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rviraniIS THERE A HOWTO for installing software on ubuntu?04:09
Nafallojason_: baah, mainstream :-P.04:09
kapputuI mostly could, but it's one of the very few sites that has the genre of music I listen to04:09
Lathiatrvirani: Use synaptic04:09
rviraniLathiat, got any docs?04:10
Lathiatrvirani: its in Computer -> System Tools iirc04:10
rviraniand why snaptic?04:10
Nafallorvirani: I think so. check the wiki for synapticshowto04:10
Lathiatrvirani: no but its not hard to figure out04:10
Lathiatrvirani: because its the package manager program...04:10
Lathiatrvirani: and it probably has docs if you go to its help menu, most programs do...04:10
rviranicouldnt find wlan04:10
rviraniLathiat, sorry used to the console04:11
Nafallorvirani: what are you trying to do? install wireless-tools?04:11
thadI cannot get Open Office to open docs on network shares.  Says the document isn't there.  Any idea why?04:11
HrdwrBoBbecause openoffice doesn't use gnome open04:11
Lathiatrvirani: well you can use the console if you want, but synaptic is easier04:11
HrdwrBoBthis isn't an optimum solution04:11
Lathiatrvirani: what are you trying to install?04:12
HrdwrBoBbut if you use abiword04:12
HrdwrBoBit will work04:12
rviranisupport for my ... dwl12204:12
rviranilinux-wlanng04:12
thadAnyway to fix OpenOffice to use gnome open?04:12
Lathiatrvirani: umm04:12
HrdwrBoBthad: no04:13
Nafallorvirani: add the universe repository :-)04:13
rviranijust did that04:13
rviraniI think its going04:13
thadHrdwrBob:  Thanks!04:13
rviraniIm not one of those people who was brought up with X :D04:13
rviranihrm it didnt ask me what kernel drivers to build...04:14
Nafallorvirani: same here. I used wirus in the beginning of my computer career ;-).04:14
cef_workdaniels: hey, you don't know what the ubuntu logo font is, do you?04:14
MeAndUIf I install the w32codecs will it be used by all multimedia apps or just mplayer04:14
HrdwrBoB'sok :)04:14
jdubcef_work: will find out in uk morning04:14
NafalloMeAndU: mplayer (if compiled with) and xine04:15
cef_workjdub: cool.. just trying to mock up a tshirt design, and it would help. *grin*04:15
rviranistupid ibook04:15
rviraniUSB ports to close together04:15
NafalloAFAIK04:15
jdubcef_work: just use the eps04:15
cef_workjdub: erm, no, this is for a catch-phrase that would go below the logo..04:15
cef_workjdub: and I am using the eps btw. *grin*04:15
MeAndUI am still having problem with mplayer not starting in ubuntu any idea04:16
jason_now how do I get my nvidia drivers working again and don't tell me it is in the wiki im lazy ;)04:16
NafalloMeAndU: compiled yourself?04:16
cef_workjdub: the other side of the tshirt uses a different font, so that's not an issue04:16
mdzrvirani: which chipset in the dwl122?04:16
HrdwrBoBjason_: it's in the wiki in trivially short format04:16
rviraniwas picked up04:16
HrdwrBoBhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:17
MeAndUno from mutliverse i believe04:17
jason_ty04:17
whiprushjdub: was it you the other day that mentioned packaging ifolder in the future?04:17
rviranimdz, its up04:17
rviraniI just got to do the wlan-ifconfig or whatever04:17
kapputumplayer works great04:17
mdzrvirani: I'm interested04:17
kapputuok I have a networking problem04:17
NafalloMeAndU: ahh, don't know how they are compiled :-/04:17
kapputuany helpers ?04:17
unpersonDoes Ubuntu use OSS or ALSA sound by default?  Is it muted initially (like ALSA package sometimes is)?04:17
mdzkapputu: rule 1. don't ask about asking04:17
rviranikapputu, whats the problem?04:17
mdzkapputu: just go ahead and ask :-)04:17
mdzunperson: OSS API, ALSA drivers04:18
tylerwylieall in all you were all just bricks in the wall -- name song win a cookie, be specific04:18
kapputuI have two routers at home, the ISP connects to one of them04:18
mdzunperson: the usual mixer levels are unmuted at boot04:18
kapputuand my router connects to the other one.04:18
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MeAndUNafallo, Do you mean i should compile my self and is it astright forward way04:18
kapputuI have an ethernet cable running from my roommate's room (where the main router is ) to the living room04:18
kapputuI use the wireless from my router (let me called router 2)04:19
NafalloMeAndU: well, no. I just meant my thought of the problem was the wrong one :-P.04:19
jason_So does Mark04:19
unpersonmdz, Ok thanks.  Hmm...I have to check a few more things, but so far no sound.04:19
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GotD0they hiky04:25
kapputuhi Hiky04:25
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kapputuhi gotdot04:25
kapputuI was going to explain a problem04:25
GotD0thave fun04:25
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kapputubut I guess I got disconnected while I was explaining it04:25
GotD0thahaha04:25
GotD0tnetwork problem?04:25
kapputuyeah04:25
kapputuironic !!04:25
noisomeThe CDs are 4.1?04:26
kapputuok problem in brief,04:26
noisomethat are coming out i mean... 4.1?04:26
kapputurouter 1 - 192.168.0.104:26
kapputurouter 2 - 192.168.2.104:26
xipOh great.  Having some strange issues here.  Is there anyway to shutdown and restart all usb devices in linux?  I'm suddenly having issues getting all usb devices to work.04:26
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mdznoisome: 4.1004:26
noisomek cool04:26
kapputudesktop connects to router 204:27
kapputulaptop connects to router 104:27
kapputucan't see desktop from laptop04:27
noisomeare they going to allow the use nvidia 3d drivers by default?04:27
GotD0twhy dont htey all connect to router 104:28
kapputurouter 1 is full04:28
tylerwylieyou know what's wierd, thinking next day you are one day closer to death04:28
Nafallohmm, there are noone sitting on a smooth script to rsync warty amd64 and i386 main and restricted locally with rsync?04:28
GotD0thaha04:28
kapputufor some reason the ethernet on laptop doesn't connect to router 204:28
kapputuI'm thinking of changing the gateway on router 2 to be something in router 1's ip range04:29
noisomewhat kind of routers are you using?04:29
kapputuso router 2's gateway could be 192.168.0.2504:29
unpersonOk, so I'm a little confused.  I don't have any sound.  The OS definitely detected my soundcard and it looks like the correct drivers are loaded (I have and i810 and it's using snd_intel8x0) any ideas?04:29
GotD0tsound in what04:30
noisomedid you turn on your speakers?04:30
kapputuwhat kind ?04:30
noisomeyes, what kind?  manufa....  ?04:30
unpersonnoisome, Well, it's a laptop, so they're build in.  There are no hardware controls.04:30
kapputuone is a Belkin 4-port and other is a D-Link 3-port wireless04:30
Nafallounperson: are the modem driver loaded?04:31
MeAndUwhen I run mplayer from terminal this is what i got and sorry for the mess Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf04:31
unpersonMy sound hardware, via lspci:  "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 03)"04:31
MeAndUWarning unknown option skin at line 5004:31
MeAndUReading config file /home/ubuntu32/.mplayer/config04:31
MeAndUMPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.04:31
tylerwyliedoes anyone else go into spasms about halfway through the man cdrecord page?04:31
unpersonNafallo, I don't have a modem.  I do have a PCMCI NIC.04:32
GotD0thaha04:32
GotD0tyup tylerwylie04:32
unpersonPCMCIA that is.04:32
tylerwylieGotD0t, i hate that manpage it needs to die04:32
GotD0tamen to that04:32
kapputuhey guys any suggestions ?04:32
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tylerwylieGotD0t, i tried reading it about 3 times and i think i have a tumor now04:33
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kapputuprint it out and read it04:33
Nafallounperson: oki, read earlier today about some problems if the i8x0m driver was loaded.04:33
kapputuif they cannot have bread, let them eat cakes04:33
kapputusorry for sounding like that !04:34
GotD0tread that much of a hard copy kapputu?04:34
GotD0tkapputu that soudns familiar04:34
kapputuI read a lot GotDot04:34
noisomethen how do i install nvidia 3d drivers?04:34
kapputuI love manuals but not the man program04:35
Nafallohmm, the debian anonftpsync script should work, right?04:35
xipAnyone know why 10 seconds after gnome loads, my USB mouse quits working?  dmesg displays information like: "usb 2-2: control timeout on ep0in"04:35
kapputuhtml is better04:35
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ChibaPetOi.04:36
kapputuAhoy Chiba04:36
xskoulaxOi!04:36
ChibaPetSo, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, and two really unfortunate things happened. 1) It installed GRUB into my MBR, losing my ability to boot into NetBSD. 2) It seems to have neglected to ask me for a root password....... Anyone seen this second item before? Is there a default?04:37
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ChibaPet(Pretty sleek looking, otherwise!)04:37
GotD0tcibapet there is no rot04:37
PizbitChibaPet: Ubuntu uses sudo04:37
GotD0troot*04:37
ChibaPetum04:37
LathiatChibaPet: Netbsd you can probably chainboot from grub04:38
LathiatChibaPet: not sure how, google.com/linux?04:38
unpersonNafallo, Heh, ok, so I sorta forgot for a moment.  The PCMCIA card is a modem/NIC combo.  I never use the former so I totally wasn't thinking about it.  What was the problematic module in question?04:38
kapputuwhat's netbsd good for ?04:38
humprinchhi all, i just switched from SuSE to Ubuntu, and i notice my laptop fan runs more often, although the temps are in the same range they were with SuSE. anything i can do to keep the fan from coming on so much?04:38
ChibaPetkapputo - lots of stuff :)04:39
kapputulike ?04:39
Lathiatit runs on like every archiecture in existance :P04:39
ChibaPetkapputo - like, my wireless card is supported under NetBSD.04:39
Lathiatwell not quite, but nearly :P04:39
LathiatChibaPet: what cards that?04:39
ChibaPetBut, anyway...04:39
kapputuTI ?04:39
ChibaPetNetGear04:39
LathiatChibaPet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root04:39
ChibaPetThanks.04:40
Nafallounperson: an integrated softmodem04:40
Lathiatstupid new internet connection at my school04:40
kapputuok it runs on every arch, etc is fine, but why would you want to use it as a primary OS ?04:40
Lathiattook like 5 minutes to load that page to get the url04:40
xipOkay, does anyone know how to rescan for hardware changes?  None of my usb devices are showing up in /proc/bus/usb/devices04:40
unpersonNafallo, Ah, ok.  Not an issue then I guess.04:40
Lathiatkapputu: Why do you want to use linux as a primary os?04:40
ChibaPetkapputo - probably, years of using it exclusively have biased me. <shrug>04:40
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Lathiatkapputu: i mean you can run X and everything etc on netbsd so itd be similar to linux04:40
Nafallounperson: lsmod | grep i8 knows if it is ;-)04:40
kapputuic04:40
spikebalright this rocks04:40
kapputuhow's the support for netbsd04:41
ChibaPetsupport? for...?04:41
kapputuI thought *BSDs were good for servers04:41
ChibaPetThey're good for anything. I happen to be infatuated with Debian packaging lately.04:41
unpersonNafallo, Nah, I looked through lsmod earlier.  Nothing like that.04:42
ChibaPetI'm also infatuated with the idea of regular releases, which is why I've installed this over Sarge. :P04:42
kapputuI have a desktop which hangs up if I run Windows or X04:42
kapputuI want to run an FTP server on it04:42
kapputuI'll be sshing into that machine04:42
unpersonThe annoying thing is that I had my sound working fine with debian testing, so I'd expect it to work here too.04:42
kapputuso what would be a good option ?04:43
kapputuit already has debian on it04:43
kapputuI answered my own question ??04:44
kapputu:-)04:44
spikebheh kapputu04:44
tylerwylieGotD0t, Possible syntax is: dev= scsibus,target,lun or dev= target,lun.  In  the  latter case,  the  CD-Recorder  has to be connected to the default SCSI bus of the machine.  Scsibus, target and lun are integer numbers.  Some  operating  systems or SCSI transport implementations may require to specify a filename in addition.  In this case the correct syntax for the device is:  dev=  devicename:scsibus,target,lun or dev= devicename:target,lun.04:44
tylerwyliedoesn't that give you a headache?04:44
GotD0ttylerwylie: you have a scsi cd burner?04:45
tylerwylieno so i have to use scsi emulation too04:45
GotD0ttylerwylie: just do a link from your burner to /dev/cdrecorder for cdrdao04:46
tylerwylieGotD0t....04:46
kapputuis there a good tutorial (albeit not too hard) on how to setup a ssh server on debian ?04:47
GotD0ttylerwylie: isnt htat what you're doing?04:47
GotD0ttylerylie: cdrdao?04:47
tylerwylieGotD0t, no i'm using nautilus as a frontend to cdrecord04:47
GotD0toh04:47
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ChibaPetMm, dselect.04:49
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tricky1woohoo04:50
tricky1who wants to see my secksay Ubuntu Desktop?04:50
benerbcan you use gstreamer to send sound to a remote ESD server?04:50
tricky1http://www.kc9fmj.com/linux.jpg04:52
ChibaPetStep 1: Installing xdm, twm, etc. Step 2: Purge GNOME, KDE, and other such infestations. Step 3: Make this desktop identical to my old one.04:52
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stuNNed_just installed ubuntu for a friend and it set up two mixers, one oss one alsa, how can i get rid of the oss one?04:53
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ChibaPetIs there a package for it, or is it built into your kernel, stunned?04:53
tjouskSo, someone tells me I should try ubuntu...  I've used various distro's, but mostly debian.  how different is this?04:54
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benerbi wish i knew that too...i have ALSA and OSS too04:54
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ChibaPetbbias - mindlessly didn't run this client in a screen, and now I must restart X to see if xdm is taking over...04:55
htpcWho's feeling helpful today?! :D04:56
PoyayanI might be depending on the problem :)04:56
stuNNed_benerb, so you're having the same issues?04:57
Poyayanhmm maybe he didn't like that04:57
Rene_SWoot, found the place.04:57
kapputuhi stuNNed04:57
Poyayanwhat place Rene?04:57
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Rene_SThis place04:57
htpcSorry about that, I crashed Xchat.04:57
stuNNed_hi kapputu04:57
htpcAnyone wanna help me with a synaptic issue?04:57
Poyayannp04:57
kapputuhi Rene, Rene Russo by any chance ?04:57
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Poyayanwhat kind of issue htpc?04:58
Rene_SIm an idiot when it comes to using Xchat, no and you wish :)04:58
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stuNNed_two mixer showing up in gmix for some reason, one oss, one alsa, no sound04:58
kapputuanyone here have used audacity ?04:58
htpcPoyayan,  When I add the source for Freevo and try to install Mplayer it says that it wont install 3 packages and it wont say why, so I tried to manually install them then it says "Depends: _packagename_ but _versionnumber_ is installed."04:58
htpcfor about 3 packages.04:59
davidjjnewbie to Linux here, but computer user for 20 years so savvy. problems with install on older iMac (G3). anyone wan to try to help?04:59
Poyayandoes Freevo have those 3 packages htpc?04:59
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htpcThey do, I can manually isntall them.05:00
stuNNed_how do i remove oss mixer?05:00
htpcAnd I have.05:00
htpcstuNNed, you dont, unless you want to remove ALSA oss emulation (which amkes alot of older/alsa-incopadible programs hate you.05:00
Poyayanhmm to be perfectly honest I have no idea htpc05:00
htpcPoyayan, Do you have Mplayer on your computer?05:01
davidjjdo you reformat your drive first? if so, format for UNIX or HFS+? one partition (it's an old iMac so I'm gonna put Ubuntu solely on it)05:01
Poyayanyeah05:01
PoyayanI used debian-marillat as the repo05:01
htpcPoyayan, Can i have that line from the sources.list file please?05:01
Poyayanone sec05:02
stuNNed_htpc, i have no sound for some reason, works find in windows on same computer05:02
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stuNNed_htpc, card is detected ok05:02
htpcstuNNed_ Must be unsupported sound device, what sound card do you have?05:02
Poyayandeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main05:02
htpcOh.05:02
kapputudid you try alsa start ?05:02
Rene_Sson of a motherless ..... apollon froze my whole desktop :(05:02
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: what does lsmod say (put it in pastebin)05:03
stuNNed_htpc, nvidia nforce2 ultra05:03
HrdwrBoBdoes it say no sound device05:03
HrdwrBoBor does it not play05:03
kapputuwhat card is it ?05:03
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, ok05:03
HrdwrBoBoh... nforce05:03
HrdwrBoBthat's why05:03
HrdwrBoByou can get drivers05:03
kapputudid you try running volume control ?05:03
HrdwrBoBmy personal recommendation is getting am emu10k1 based board05:03
kapputuoops you figured out the prob ?05:03
U-235ok, i registered at the ubuntu site, when will i get my CD??05:03
Poyayandid it work htpc?05:04
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, http://pastebin.com/11477605:04
htpcmplayer-586:05:04
htpc  Depends: libartsc0 but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed05:04
htpc  Depends: libggi2 but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed05:04
htpc  Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed05:04
htpcThats what it's been saying :\05:04
htpcI actually had that source already.05:04
htpcFreevo website recommended it for MPlayer.05:04
jdubU-235: see topic05:05
HrdwrBoBhm, modules look fine05:05
HrdwrBoBhave you checked the mixer05:05
htpcSee what I mean Poyayan, but "verison number" is to be installed.05:05
htpcit's already installed.05:05
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, let me check05:05
PoyayanI see one sec let me check up on that05:05
htpcPoyayan, Appreciate it.05:05
kapputuok anyone tell me why I'm in this chat room 5 hours a day05:05
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, in volume control i have two tabs05:06
htpckapputu, Cuz you love it.05:06
HrdwrBoBkapputu: sucker for punishment05:06
kapputuI can't get out of this room !!05:06
htpcHrdwrBoB, Better answer. You win.05:06
kapputuI love Ubuntu !!05:06
kappututhat's an understatement !!05:06
kapputuI'm obsessed with it05:06
htpcUbuntu is a good Debian-Based o/s05:06
htpc:D05:06
HrdwrBoBI love ubuntu also, however I'm somewhat more .. restrained :)05:06
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, one, 'Realtek ALC655 rev 0 [OSS Mixer] ' and one 'NVidia nForce2 [Alsa Mixer] '05:06
HrdwrBoBand have lots of things to do like, work :)05:06
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HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: ok, adjust the alsa mixer05:07
kapputuI'm coming from a have-to-use-Windows-but-hate-it kinda background05:07
carger314ubuntu is ok. it has its flaws05:07
HrdwrBoBturn up the appropriate levels05:07
htpcI love windows.05:07
Poyayanyou're using command-line apt-get right htpc?05:07
htpcXP is a great O/S :D05:07
htpcPoyayan, Nope, Synaptic.05:07
kapputuI find it more comfortable to use than FC, RH or Mandrake05:07
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tylerwyliehtpc, umm05:07
htpcPoyayan, Should I use apt-get instead? I'm really not famiiliar with it.05:07
kapputuhtpc, I prefer Windows 9505:07
tylerwyliei'm gonna give Ubuntu a try this weekend guys !!05:07
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htpc95 was good, in 9505:08
kapputuoh those bluescreens... don't I love them...05:08
htpcI hate RPMs05:08
Klowner2anyone switch from gentoo or debian to ubuntu, and if so, what was the selling point?05:08
htpcDependancies in RPMs bug me05:08
HrdwrBoBKlowner2: it Just Works05:08
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, still now sound, but he is using an spdif card to give surround sound05:08
htpcalthough right now i'm having similar issues with APT05:08
kapputuyep htpc05:08
kapputusame thing05:08
tylerwyliehtpc, RPM in SUSE with yast (handles dependancies) is great,05:08
htpcso I think i'll just shoot myself.05:08
HrdwrBoBit's like debian only it's got the latest stuff05:08
HrdwrBoBit's a win-win05:08
kapputuI had a lot of trouble getting MPlayer to work on RH 905:08
htpctylerwylie, Sounds like fun :D05:08
htpcFC1 doesnt have mp3 support :\05:08
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, win-win it is!05:09
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: I'm not sure you will be able to use SPDIF out05:09
Rene_SNote to self: Don't try running Apollon with all 3 networks at once.05:09
spikebneither does FC2 or 3 htpc05:09
htpcUgh. lol05:09
HrdwrBoBhtpc: neither does the ubuntu CD05:09
kapputuRene_S,what's Apollon ?05:09
HrdwrBoBhtpc: MP3 is patent encumbered05:09
HrdwrBoByou should use oggs where possible05:09
Rene_SIts a file sharing app05:09
spikebhtpc, you can get rpms for mp3 support in rhythmbox and xmms at freshrpms.net05:09
spikebhtpc, for FC05:09
twisted_steelor flac :)05:09
kapputufor linux ?05:09
htpcHrdwrBoB, Oh, I thought it did. I never had a problem playing music, however most of mine is OGG maybe I neevr tried an mp305:09
htpcspikeb I know :D05:10
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, two mixers stated above aren't a problem?05:10
spikeb:)05:10
kapputuhow do I record streaming music ?05:10
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: no, I have the same thing, tbh I'm not 100% sure why that happens05:10
spikebmp3 is patent encumbered, therefor a non-us repository should be set up.05:10
HrdwrBoBkapputu: mplayer -dumpstream05:10
Rene_SYeah, its actually kde based so you need to install some of the headers and that but i allows you to use Fastrack, Gnutella and OpenFT05:10
spikeband java should go in multiverse05:10
spikebheh05:10
kapputuhmm the music is being streamed in realplayer05:10
HrdwrBoBspikeb: well AU is now going to get the laws similar to US only worse05:11
spikebHrdwrBoB, yeah05:11
HrdwrBoBwe're getting SHAFTED05:11
benerbhas anyone ever used gstreamer to send music to a remote ESD sound server?05:11
tylerwylieis there a website that shows Ubuntu's package database?05:11
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, is there a way to get rid of the oss mixer?  or am i dangling in the wind?05:11
spikebgotta have the non-us/au server somewhere safe05:11
HrdwrBoBour current government controls both the lower and upper house05:11
htpcI used apt-get and got info that makes sence now:05:11
htpcThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:11
htpc  mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed05:11
htpc               Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installe05:11
spikebHrdwrBoB, yup, i read about that. you're gonna get the hurt put on05:11
kapputuhmm what do I do with my MP3s ?05:11
unpersonEh, I guess for tonight I'll have to settle for a pretty but silent Ubuntu.  Night all.05:11
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: possibly, but it might simply be the same mixer, but OSS/ALSA05:11
htpcI need newer versions but yet Synaptic syas they're up to day05:11
kapputuconvert them to oggs ?05:11
htpc*date05:11
spikebi have sound! :)05:11
HrdwrBoBkapputu: yes05:11
kapputuoh it's sick not to have sound05:12
spikebi was without sound for like two months heh05:12
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, could it be i'm missing gstreamer alsa plugin?05:12
htpcHow do I use apt-get to update a package?05:12
spikebapt-get upgrade packagename05:12
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: depends, best way to test is to play a wav with raw pcm data05:12
Pizbithtpc: It may be that there are no updated packages in the ubuntu respositories05:12
kapputuok how do I record music that's being streamed using realplayer ?05:13
carger314anybody here get their Linksys wireless cards running in ubuntu without a hitch?05:13
HrdwrBoBkapputu: mplayer -dumpstream05:13
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Klowner2wish I was closer to a CD-R, I'd install it05:13
htpcPizbit,  How can I get a repo with the updated ones?05:13
HrdwrBoBkapputu: mplayer -dumpstream url://05:13
htpcPizbit, and will they work?05:13
HrdwrBoBcarger314: what chipset05:13
kapputuwhat does that do05:13
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, failed to contruct pipeline with gstreamer-properties when switched to alsa...?05:13
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: hrm.. that should work, but OSS should work too05:13
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, i'll try xmms, been trying rb05:14
carger314HrdwrBoB: Linksys WPC54GS (SpeedBooster)05:14
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carger314or do i have to use ndiswrapper with that to get it to work?>05:15
Rene_SI can play mp3's used xine and made sure i had the gstreamer-mad thing installed05:15
Poyayanyou know I have no idea what's wrong05:15
Poyayanit worked for me before05:15
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ChibaPetRehi.05:15
ChibaPetxdm running. happiness ensues.05:15
Pizbithtpc: 'deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib' in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and install mplayer, then remove this line and apt-get update, warning it *can* break stuff but hopefully not:)05:16
kapputuwb ChibaPet05:16
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, not working in xmms either05:16
htpcwhy remove and reupdate?05:16
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: tried it with different xmms output?05:16
HrdwrBoBxmms should work with alsa/oss/esd05:16
ChibaPetFunny, though - the xdm package is taken straight from Debian. It says "Debian GNU/Linux" and has the Debian logo, and such. :P05:16
HrdwrBoBChibaPet: if it's from universe, it IS the debian package05:17
Pizbithtpc: Because if they stay there then they might be used later and is more likely to break something, especially if you try a dist-upgrade05:17
ChibaPetAh. Hm.,05:17
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htpcYay it's installig05:17
htpcThanks Pizbit05:17
kapputuHrdwrBoB, mplayer -dumpstream dint work05:18
kapputuanyone tried audacity ?05:19
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stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, working thanks :)05:19
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, just no center channel05:19
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: excellent!05:19
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: there is probably no support for it05:19
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, you da man!  definitely win-win :D05:20
htpclibdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.05:20
kapputuhey stuNNed, congrats on getting sound working05:20
htpcHm.05:20
stuNNed_kapputu, thanks man05:21
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HrdwrBoBhtpc: if you get the library from marillat05:21
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HrdwrBoBit will work05:21
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, i can browse windows computers through network but i can't auth by user/password, what do i need?05:21
HrdwrBoBhrm.. it should work05:21
LinuxJonesnight all05:22
htpcHrdwrBoB, How can I be sure it's from that source?05:22
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Rene_Sarggg05:22
HrdwrBoBhtpc: when you run apt-get it will show you05:23
GmailRank  Distribution  H.P.D*05:23
Gmail1 Mandrakelinux 1625<05:23
Gmail2 Fedora 1338>05:23
Gmail3 SUSE 1161<05:23
Gmail4 Ubuntu 1128<05:23
Gmail5 Debian 92805:23
HrdwrBoBalso if you use dpkg/apt-get/synaptic it will tell you05:23
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, i get: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: server".05:24
kapputuneed to get ubuntu up05:24
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kapputuhi maximus decimus05:25
htpcI set marrilat as the only source and it says theres no source for libdvdread305:26
xskoulaxGmail: Ubuntu > Debian :)05:26
htpcso uh.05:26
htpc"\05:26
htpc:\05:26
HrdwrBoBGmail: ... thanks for that05:26
Poyayanwhat's up htpc?05:26
kapputuwhy xskoulax05:26
HrdwrBoBhtpc: you want libdvdcss05:26
HrdwrBoBsorry05:26
htpcoh..05:26
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xskoulaxkapputu: it actually installed on my boxen with out problems for 105:26
Gmailwait untill it refersh tomz and ubuntu will be 1250+05:27
xskoulaxs/with out/without05:27
Poyayanlibdvdcss is for playing encrypted dvds05:27
kapputugood same thing fr me05:27
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kapputuwhy05:28
danielsGmail: please stop pasting in the distrowatch stats every day.05:28
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kapputuhi matthew05:28
kapputuhow's ur ubuntu05:29
stuNNed_thanks to all bbbl05:29
matthewquestion re: universe, thanks05:29
xskoulaxit never installed for me even with several attempts, this on the other hand has be plain sailing, and its more recent05:29
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PoyayanI use slackware and ubuntu05:30
carger314ubuntu hates me... it doesnt like my cdrom drive05:30
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PoyayanI prefer slackware in terms of organization of system files05:30
kapputuon same machine Poyayan?05:30
matthewkapputu: perlmagick has a broken dependency; perlmagick is in universe, but it has a -ubuntu1 in the release #05:30
Poyayanwell I did kapputu05:30
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Poyayanbut now I run just ubuntu and windows05:31
matthewkapputu: is perlmagick supported and/or provided by an ubuntu maintainer...?05:31
kapputuI have no idea matthew05:31
kapputuI'm new myself to debian distros05:31
Poyayanslackware fonts are quite bad and dropline only ruins the stability that slackware provides for me05:32
matthewi converted from debian/unstable05:32
Poyayananyway I'm off to bed05:32
erniemy brother just accidentally upgraded this relatively new ubuntu install with debian testing packages (the n00b...). is there a simple way to reinstall the nice stable ubuntu packages?05:33
matthewthe imagemagick packages got upgraded to -ubuntu1.1 versions the other day, but perlmagick got left behind and the dependency broke05:34
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Rene_SI give up, dont know why my program crashes when listing ..... crap05:34
kapputuwhat program Rene_S05:35
Rene_SApollon, I think its listing songs too fast05:35
kapputuI'm still dreaming you are Rene Russo :-)05:35
spikebany ut2004 players?05:35
Rene_Sor I cant handle 2500 Metallica songs at once05:35
DekkardRene_S get rid of the st. anger songs, that should fix it05:36
Rene_SHehe, you should see my wife drive when thats playing05:36
Rene_SLike Satan with a vendetta05:37
Dekkardhmm05:37
Dekkardi dunno about that album..05:37
Rene_SSo glad cars arent equipped with machine guns05:37
kapputuoh Rene ur a guy ??05:37
Rene_SEIther that or a funky lesbian05:38
Gmaildaniels: people like it05:38
Rene_SMy mom thought the name was funny at the time, she drinks.05:38
danielsGmail: people who need to see those stats, can go to distrowatch themselves; please don't paste it into the channel all the time.  it's hard enough to follow all the scrollback without stuff like that.05:39
Gmaildaniels: it's once a day and we will have a vote who wants it pasted vote now? who every doesnt also vote now!05:40
kapputuhey where's everyone ??05:40
kapputuI'm learning a lot by hanging around here..05:40
Dekkardthis is a puzzling distro05:41
Rene_SHow so ?05:41
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danielsGmail: great, even more scrollback.  if people want it, they can get it from distrowatch.  please stop pasting it in here.05:41
Dekkardthe installer, its ultra simple.. like ark.. or even simpler..thatn that and the various FC releases.. but ya still need to fiddle with post install...05:41
matthewwelcome to debian derivatives05:42
Gmailyes there is normaly 300+ people here where is everyone?05:42
GotD0trunning from you05:42
Dekkardsome may have gone back to their last distro..05:42
Dekkardthat does happen05:42
Rene_SYeah, i find all the distro's around debian carry some kind of after install baggage05:42
mdzI don't think I've seen 300 here yet05:42
Dekkardi ran fc1 for a week once..05:42
Dekkarddont tell anyone05:42
spikebRene_S, religious/political/legal baggage05:42
Gmaildaniels: why should i stop people like to know and don't goto distrowatch daily let alone off irc05:42
Gmailmdz: we have05:43
mdzDekkard: what sort of fiddling did you need to do?05:43
Dekkardhmm05:43
danielsGmail: people want to know, other people find it inconvenient and that it puts them out.  i've asked you nicely, please just stop it.05:43
Dekkardmdz i need to figure out how to get gtkam to recognize my camera like it did under slack05:43
Rene_SSpikeb: I was referring to post install stuff you end up doing with Debian distro's05:43
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Dekkardand i need to figure out how to get gcombust to recognize my  cdrw05:43
spikebRene_S, i was referring to having to seek out a million repositories to get anything installed. :)05:44
Rene_SHehhe, you run Fedora eh ?05:44
spikebi have, and ubuntu's just as bad :)05:44
mdzDekkard: gthumb and nautilus-cd-burner generally work out of the box; if they don't, it's a bug05:44
kapputucompare Fedora, ubuntu05:44
Dekkardgthumb is fine05:44
GotD0tmdz but you cant make audio cds with nautilus-cd-burner05:44
Dekkardah.. another thing..05:45
spikebsince when?05:45
Rene_SI have gotten used to running all over the internet. Windows was good training05:45
Dekkardi installed lame.. and sound juicer still wont let me rip and encode mp305:45
spikebdon't05:45
Dekkardso i got rid of it andinstalled grip05:45
mdzDekkard: it's gstreamer0.8-mad you need05:45
spikebif you're ripping, don't use mp305:45
mdznot lame05:45
spikebif you're ripping, there's no reason not to use a free format, like ogg or flac05:45
mdz...unless you're targeting a mass-market portable player05:45
Dekkardspikeb my portable mp3 player doesnt play .ogg05:46
spikebahhh05:46
spikebforgot about those05:46
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Rene_SNor do I05:46
Dekkardonly one s that do i think are i river05:46
kapputunor do I05:46
Rene_Smakes the music at the gym painfull on the ears05:46
spikebyou can get others to play it if you hack with em05:46
spikebheh05:46
spikebat them, not with them05:46
Dekkardi mean all in all.. i think this is a good distro.. it seems peppy an all..05:47
Rene_SOk, if i get hacked by a mp3 player or a watch I am turning off my electricity05:47
spikebheh05:47
Dekkardand its young.. i think it should smooth out in a year or so05:47
Dekkardim wondering how it would install on a lappy ...05:48
Rene_SOnly distro i found peppier than this one was Yoper05:48
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DekkardRene_S"prelinking"05:48
spikebsince i'm knowledgable enough to seek out the stuff to play proprietary formats, ubuntu does well for me05:48
kapputui installed on my roommate's (has never used Linux in his life) desktop05:48
kapputudin't recognize his soundcard05:48
spikebwoah05:48
kapputuand he thinks Linux is screwed05:48
spikebbeen a long time since i heard that complaint about a desktop05:49
spikebheh05:49
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asproAhoy, does anyone know if ubuntu will care if i modify the XF86 config file? i think i read somewhere about it not touching it after you change it?05:49
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xskoulaxkapputu: your they guy with the electrical engineer for a room mate right?05:49
kapputubut he is happy that he doesn't have spyware running on his computer05:49
kapputuyep xskoulax05:49
spikebaspro, it won't care a bit05:49
kapputuyou ahve a good memory05:49
xskoulaxahh05:49
ChibaPetkapputu - have him try NetBSD. Excellent hardware support.05:49
kapputuit's an old soundcard05:49
asproThanks05:49
kapputuIntel 440 BX on board sound card05:49
GmailCRAP! can someone tell mirror.isp.net.au not to delete half time apt reposory05:49
Rene_Souch, thats almost a classic05:49
Dekkardit recognized my sis onboard sound05:50
kapputuaah Sis05:50
kapputuI had that graphics card back when I was 1705:50
spikebhaha05:50
kapputuand installed Redhat 5 ??05:50
kapputuor earlier05:50
spikebi have a NON onboard SiS video card heh05:50
kapputuand it wouldnt detect my graphics card05:50
spikebsitting in a box05:50
kapputuand I dint want a text-based interface05:51
spikebsis video support was crap until xfree 3.3.6 heh05:51
Rene_SIm sure somewhere someone is running an XT05:51
Dekkardi got two pentium 200's sitting on a coffee table05:51
kapputuI needed X only for the web and I couldnt get it05:51
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spikeb256 colors of greatness05:52
kapputunothing worked spike05:52
kapputuI used to spend hours on that thing05:52
spikebheh05:52
spikebbrings back memories of my first linux computer05:52
Rene_SI worked for a place that saved old Mac's the all in one kind for a guy who made fishtanks outta them05:52
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spikebhalf hte hardware didn't work, so i replaced it with even older, more crappy hardware05:52
spikebheh05:52
Dekkardmaybe ill dump this and get an old NeXT cube....05:53
Dekkardnot reallly05:53
spikebi wouldn't05:53
spikebthey're expensive heh05:53
Dekkardyeah.. but nextstations are not  tha tbad05:54
Dekkardwerent the cubes like 10 grand?05:54
kapputuI bought a used HP Pavilion XL 75605:54
spikebyeah they were about that much new05:55
kapputuit freezes when I use Windows or X05:55
Dekkardgotta check my spam05:55
kapputuplanning to use it for my FTP server05:55
Dekkardi gotta install thunderbird.. evolution gives me gas05:55
spikebheh05:55
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kapputuwelcome back Nafallo05:56
kapputuany good recommendation for a FTP server05:56
Nafallokapputu: thanx :-)05:56
Nafallokapputu: vsftpd05:56
kapputuit'll be used to serve mp3s to say 10 or 20 ppl at a time05:56
kapputuno uploads05:56
kapputuit has only one config file and no man page05:56
Nafalloare we supposed to add bugs for multiverse att bugzilla.ubuntu.com?05:57
kapputuI'm looking for a good tut for ssh too05:57
kapputudebian comes with a ssh server ?05:57
Nafallokapputu: openssh-server05:57
Nafallo:-)05:57
kapputuis it part of the base system ?05:58
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Nafallokapputu: yepp05:58
kapputuI need to set that up actually05:58
Nafallo:-)05:58
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kapputuI'm trying to understand how X works ...05:59
jason_has anybody got x.org to work?05:59
Nafallopool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/mozilla-mplayer_2.66-2_amd64.deb should depend on mplayer-amd64 also :-)05:59
kapputuNafallo, you got a minute ?05:59
Nafallokapputu: yepp05:59
Nafallonoone seems to answer anyway :-P06:00
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kapputusuppose I ssh into machine1 and open up xemacs, do I need to have X running on the other machine06:00
kapputui mean x server06:00
Nafallothink so. why not using emacs?06:01
kapputuI'm used to xemacs06:01
fscwhat's the diffrerence between vim-gnome and vim-gtk?06:01
Nafallowell, you COULD ssh -X xemacs :-)06:02
kapputuhmm  I think I din't put it properly06:02
defendguinis anyone using NetworkManager?06:02
kapputumachine1 can't use X, it'll be a development server (playtool)06:02
kapputuor a FTP server06:02
kapputuI need to set that up from my laptop06:03
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Nafallowell, xapps use x-server for sure :-P.06:04
kapputuI want to open up xemacs on machine1 through ssh on laptop06:04
deebeeWhere can I get packages for Ubuntu?06:04
kapputuso I need to have x-server running on my laptop and not on machine1 right ?06:04
Nafallodeebee: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/06:04
deebeethanks Nafallo06:04
Nafallokapputu: if you want to use ssh -X you need x-server on both of them06:05
Nafallodeebee: np06:05
kapputuif I use a window manager, machine1 freezes06:06
kapputucan I run a x-server without using a window manager06:06
kapputuI mean I don't want one to run by default06:06
Nafallodon't use a wm then?06:06
kappututhat's the project for the weekend06:06
Nafallo*laugh* :-)06:07
kapputuI understand06:07
Nafallomy project have to be cleaning and sorting :-)06:07
kapputubut this involves formatting machine1, installing ubuntu or debian, setup ssh server and x-server first06:08
kapputuand then setup a ftp-server06:08
Nafallohehe06:08
ChibaPetHm.06:09
kapputuand I get diverted very easily06:09
ChibaPetCan someone tell me what this indicates? Message follows...06:09
kapputuif I start reading something, I'll read it fully forgetting the work at hand06:09
ChibaPet Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0,1)"... failed (this is not fatal)06:09
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ChibaPetShould I assume that grub will not boot from this partition?06:10
ChibaPetThe subsequent "install" step succeeded.06:10
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Dekkardmondo?06:13
Gmailhttp://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=251020&p=106:13
diemanHe then finished a sword that he had been working on for several days, Tate said. When he returned, he struck the 40-year-old victim with the sword in the neck area, nearly decapitating him.06:13
diemanThe suspect fled the scene but later returned. When police arrived, he was waiting there, drinking a beer.06:13
diemanWitnesses told the police the suspect was interested in "fantasy board games."06:13
diemanstill, yikes06:13
diemanack06:13
Gmailpage 2 of that thread say ubuntu is now mirrored06:13
diemanmisfire06:13
diemanwrong chan06:13
Gmaili am adding it to the wiki06:13
ChibaPetbbl06:13
Gmaildieman: i am in the right channel06:14
diemanGmail: yeah, im in the wrong chan for pasting that06:14
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diemanthought i had a different channel loaded up here06:14
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moonCould use some help. I can't seem to get my sound to work. I have a SB Live. emu10k1 is loaded.06:18
bobdudeI'm using Ubuntu, trying to set it up on a network that uses NIS for authentication and has NFS-mounted home directories.06:18
bobdudeNIS is working great.06:18
mdzbobdude: glad to hear it06:18
bobdudeBut when I use a home directory on the NFS, instead of getting the usual "Applications / Computer / ..." bar on top and the "Show Desktop / [Apps Running]  / ..." bars, I just get two big blank bars.06:18
bobdudeIt's very sad.06:18
bobdudeWhat version of GNOME is in testing?06:19
bobdudeWeirdly, I get something similar trying to get GNOME from Testing working on a stock Testing box.06:19
bobdudeWith the same NIS/NFS setup.06:19
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paulproteusI'm actually paulproteus, but I was using a temporary user named 'bob' whose $HOME is local rather than on NFS.06:19
paulproteusmdz, any ideas?06:19
paulproteusIt's totally crazy.  I tried moving all files (including dot-files) to a subdirectory of the NFS user's $HOME, but that didn't help.  Which made no sense at all to me.06:20
jason_how do I get mp3s working in Rythym box?06:20
paulproteusjason_, It's on the Wiki under RestrictedFormats.06:20
mdzpaulproteus: does it work if you use the same home directory locally?06:20
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moonhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:22
paulproteusBe right back; just found the NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS option in GDM, and I've made that false and06:22
paulproteusgoing to try that.06:22
Nafallohmm06:22
deebeeUhm. How can I install .deb files?06:23
Nafallomdz: I recogize your nick from the mailing-lists owners. you might now if I should report a bug for multiverse on bugzilla.ubuntu.com?06:23
mdzNafallo: we would prefer that you don't06:24
mdzwe have no way to separate them from bugs against supported packages, currently06:24
mdzso it makes it more difficult to keep track of our bugs06:24
Nafallomdz: okey, then where to report it? :-)06:24
mdzNafallo: those packages are unsupported by Ubuntu06:25
mdzyou can post something in one of the forums or mailing lists06:25
Gmailon mirror.isp.net.au resyncing now due to disk failure06:25
Gmailthats a VERY lonh resycn06:25
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Nafallomdz: hmm, oki. I'll mail the maintainer :-).06:26
Gmailwhat the are syncing with them self??06:26
moonIf I select Volume Control from Applications/Multimedia/Volume Control it comes up with 2 tabs eMicro 28028 OSS Mixer and Sound Blaster Live! [Alsa Mixer]  is it normal to get 2?06:26
twisted_steelmoon: I have 2 tabs show up for my audigy06:27
twisted_steelmoon: and sounds works fine06:27
mdzGmail: resyncing a RAID volume, I expect06:27
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paulproteusmdz, No luck.06:28
paulproteusI also tried setting "NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS=false" in gdm.conf.06:28
mdzpaulproteus: you tried using the directory locally?06:28
paulproteusThen I rm'd all the dot-files in /home/paulproteus (on NFS), did /etc/init.d/gdm stop , /etc/init.d/gdm start.06:28
paulproteusNo, I'll do that right away, although it seem superfluous.06:29
paulproteusBe right back.06:29
moonhmm thanks. I'm at a loss here. I know the sound card works. Alsa mixer is not muted. /dev/dsp is there. root priviledge doesn't help and emu10k1 modules are loaded.  Anybody have any other ideas?06:30
Gmailhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/warty_outdate.txt is outdated it self06:30
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dustin_hey guys quick question06:30
Gmailyes06:30
dustin_whats the default root password?06:30
Gmailwowly molly http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html06:31
twisted_steeldustin: none06:31
Gmaildustin_: read the faq06:31
twisted_steeldustin: use sudo :)06:31
Gmaildustin_: ubuntu use sudo you can set a root password if you want06:32
Gmailroot untill you set its password is un usable06:32
Gmailwhat from haory can be installed?? it looks like each and every file is package is here: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html06:33
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twisted_steelI'm seeing a strange bug in firefox with the default install, perhaps someone can reproduce it06:34
twisted_steelopen firefox, then your downloads window, then double right click on an item06:34
twisted_steelit segfaults for me06:34
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dustin_how do i make the root password, can i get an example?06:41
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twisted_steeldustin_: should be able to do something like - sudo passwd root06:43
dustin_swweet thanks06:44
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paulproteusSame breakage if that directory is local.06:47
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paulproteusThis makes no sense to me, since the contents of the directory is nothing.06:47
paulproteusWell, used to be nothing, except that now GNOME's put stuff in there.06:48
paulproteusOne thing that is different is that the directory /home/paulproteus is owned by paulproteus:users on NFS, and paulproteus:paulproteus on the local one.06:48
paulproteusLet me try setting it to paulproteus:paulproteus for the local copy of the empty NFS directory.06:49
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moonWhy do you need to set the root password? While I don't want to discuss the merits of having a root password or using sudo for root priviledge... if all you want is to get a root prompt: > sudo bash06:49
paulproteus(You with me, mdz?)06:49
paulproteusWell, be right back.06:50
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Lathiatgah still wont go06:52
paulproteusmdz, even after setting /home/paulproteus to be owned by paulproteus:paulproteus still gives the crazy broken GNOME.06:52
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Gmailany one want to see my ubuntu art please join #ubuntu-art as i dont want to spam here06:53
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wm_eddieThere's no audio cd burner in Ubuntu universe?06:53
paulproteusHey, wm_eddie :)06:53
Lathiatnn   06:53
wm_eddiepaulproteus: yo06:53
paulproteuswm_eddie, xcdroast is in universe, isn't it?06:53
wm_eddieew...06:54
jdubwm_eddie: k3b?06:54
paulproteuswm_eddie, cdrecord? ;)06:54
wm_eddieMy roommate is the one who needs it.06:54
paulproteusmdz, Allo?06:54
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wm_eddielets see if xcdroast is any better than last time06:55
paulproteusk3b is very good, for what it's worth.06:55
wm_eddieyeah, k3b is awesome.06:55
mdzpaulproteus: sounds like the problem has nothing to do with NFS06:55
wm_eddiehmm 75 megs...06:56
wm_eddieshikatta ga nai...06:56
paulproteusmdz, I agree[, sadly] .06:56
wm_eddieI always said k3b would be the one thing I'd install qt for...06:56
paulproteusPerhaps it's something about our group memberships....06:56
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twisted_steelperhaps a reboot will fix firefox06:57
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wm_eddiewow... k3b doesn't work too well...06:59
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paulproteusmdz, I just tried lowering the MINUID and MINGID in /var/yp/Makefile.  No luck from that.07:00
wm_eddieBut wow it starts up fast.07:00
paulproteuswm_eddie, missed what starts up fast.07:00
wm_eddiek3b07:00
paulproteusAh.07:00
wm_eddieless than a second...07:01
wm_eddiein Gentoo it took about 3 minutes...07:01
wm_eddiein all seriousness.07:01
paulproteusDid I mention lately that Gentoo sucks?07:01
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paulproteusMaybe you have a fast hard drive and aren't using a 2.5GB hand-me-down slooow one. ;)07:01
Pizbitpaulproteus: Nah, do it now:)07:01
wm_eddiethere's no GTK2 music cd burning app?07:01
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paulproteusmdz, if it changes anything, the UID for NIS user is about 650.  That's less than 1000, the usual Debian default minimum.07:04
asproHas anyone got dual monitors using a Nvidia card working?07:04
paulproteusAs I think I mentioned, I set /var/yp/Makefile to have MINGID and MINUID be 500.07:05
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rviranihey all07:12
rviraniI got ubuntu on my mac07:12
rviranihow do I right-click?07:12
wm_eddiervirani: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-20.9139534142/view?searchterm=apple07:13
rviraniwm_eddie, thanx dude07:14
rviraniI wanna develop JSP stuff on my ibook :d07:14
rviranithis thing rocks esp with wifi and linux07:14
rviraniwm_eddie, lol I cant get to the link cause I cant right click lol07:14
wm_eddieSome of the Ubuntu devs use powerbooks I hear.07:14
wm_eddief11 and f12 simulate right and middle click07:14
wm_eddienot in that order I think...07:15
danielsthere are a few powerbooks among the developers07:15
rviraniI know you can set pbuttonsd to do it cause I did it in gentoo but ...07:15
wm_eddieis pretty much all it says.07:15
danielsthe other popular laptop is the thinkpad x4007:15
rviraniahh07:15
jdubalthough07:15
danielsone random dude has an x30007:15
rviraniIm glad you got the ATI patch in07:15
jdubthe X300 is 7.5 times better than the X4007:15
wm_eddiedaniels: And it seems none use a Thinkpad 600E (I have sound problems)07:15
danielsrivwhich ati patch?07:15
danielser07:16
danielsrvirani: ^^07:16
rviranidaniels, well there was some wierd patch required for the ibook07:16
danielswe have lots and lots of ati patches ;)07:16
rviraniI found it ounce on gentoo and Xorg worked, after that I couldnt find it so I gave up on gentoo07:16
rviraniI searched the forums for hours07:16
danielsjdub: deep down, you know you want an x4007:16
rviranithen I thought hey ubuntu guys seem to put in the effort.... so I downloaded ppc and it worked!07:16
jdubnah, no touchpad :)07:16
danielsjdub: true dat07:17
rviranix40 is that a stinkpad?07:17
danielsrvirani: yes, one of the ultraportables07:17
danielsmine is 1.47kg07:17
HrdwrBoBx40 is <307:17
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wm_eddieMy 600E kicks your new x40 asses!07:17
wm_eddiepII baby!07:17
rviraniwm_eddie, sweet07:18
rviraniwm_eddie, what are the specs07:18
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danielswm_eddie: i used to have one, always worked fine with alsa07:18
rviraniactually my IBM P75 tri-hommed router beats all of you!07:18
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HrdwrBoBheh07:18
wm_eddieblazing fast 300Mhz PII, 6gig HD! and almost 300 megs of RAM. :)07:18
rviraniAptiva07:19
rviranimy IBM Aptiva07:19
asproAnyone have a dual monitor setup here?07:19
rviraninice little desktop07:19
rviraniaspro, at work :D07:19
HrdwrBoBI threw my P133 router in favour of a wrt54gs07:19
HrdwrBoBaspro: yes07:19
rviraniI used to have it on my linux box too07:19
wm_eddiedaniels: Yeah, it worked find with Suse, but something is wrong this time I don't know what... I keep getting Device not found or Busy errors.07:19
asproUse it with ubuntu?07:19
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rviraniHrdwrBoB, lame, not good packet filtering and port forwarding and redundant DNS and ....07:19
danielswm_eddie: try booting with pci=noacpi and noapic07:19
HrdwrBoBrvirani: it runs linux.07:19
wm_eddiedaniels: ok will do07:19
paulproteusaspro, you might find #nvidia useful, too.07:19
rviraniHrdwrBoB, can you put iptables on it?07:20
HrdwrBoBIT.07:20
HrdwrBoBRUNS.07:20
rviranican you do the stuff manually?07:20
HrdwrBoBLINUX.07:20
HrdwrBoBlike07:20
wm_eddiedamn, there went my phone. 5 feet onto the floor.07:20
HrdwrBoBI am loogged in as root07:20
paulproteuswm_eddie, "We apologize for the inconvenience." :(07:20
HrdwrBoBI use it as I would any other linux machine07:20
rviraniHrdwrBoB, duh I know07:20
rviraniHrdwrBoB, can you like login and stuff?07:20
HrdwrBoByes07:20
HrdwrBoBopenwrt.org07:20
rviraniHrdwrBoB, nice!!!07:20
HrdwrBoB8mb flash07:20
rviraniwooah I want one :D07:20
HrdwrBoB32mb ram07:20
rviranias long as I can SSH into it07:20
HrdwrBoByes you can07:21
rviraniHrdwrBoB, sweet ass07:21
HrdwrBoBand it's worth a piddly $155 AUD07:21
rviraniwhoa!07:21
rviraniIm giddy07:21
Kalozhehe07:21
asproHrdwrBoB, do you run your 2 monitors with ubuntu?07:21
rviraniis it the latest linksys?07:21
wm_eddieI also need to install Ubuntu 4.10 on this laptop. I'm running the preview...07:21
HrdwrBoBaspro: yes07:21
paulproteusHrdwrBoB, I can ssh into *your* WRT54G? ;)07:21
rviraniaspro, if its got Xorg xinerama should be in there07:21
KalozHrdwrBoB: anyway, the asus wl500gx will be nicer07:21
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HrdwrBoBpaulproteus: you could if it wasn't sitting on my desk here in a 192.168 network for testing :)07:22
KalozHrdwrBoB: imagine the wrt54gs with 2x usb2 ports ;)07:22
HrdwrBoBKaloz: nice07:22
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asproHrdwrBoB, could you throw me the relevant section of XF86Config-4?07:22
HrdwrBoBI don't need 2 usb ports tyhough :)07:22
mbbwm_eddie: wondering what sound your 600 uses? my 390x has odd sound problem too (esssolo-1)07:22
HrdwrBoBaspro: hangon a tic07:22
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asproHrdwrBoB, thanks :)07:22
HrdwrBoBhttp://bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au/XF86Config-407:22
KalozHrdwrBoB: it can come handy for an nfs stuff... and if you do some developing on the wrt, it's way fun to have a full blown linux distro on it :)07:22
wm_eddiembb: It has a strange version of the CS461007:23
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wm_eddiethat doesn't work with the CS46xx driver.07:23
wm_eddieI have to use it in an ISA compatibility mode.07:23
wm_eddieThat's built into the sound card.07:23
mbbmine works *if* a nice or wireless is plugged into pcmcia. otherwise, garbled, slow sound.07:23
rviraniwm_eddie, can you throw me that url agian07:24
mbbhave tried a variety of kernel parameters, no luck. but haven't filed a bug report yet either.07:24
wm_eddieit's lost...07:24
Kalozmbb: irq routing problems? acpi? :)07:24
wm_eddiehttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-20.9139534142/view?searchterm=apple07:24
wm_eddiegot it.07:24
wm_eddiedaniels: I still get the same error... :(07:25
mbbyeah, gotta be irq prob of some kind. older machine, gotta user acpi=force for shutdown and battery stuff to work.07:25
danielswm_eddie: bong07:25
wm_eddiegrr ok I'm going to install 4.1007:25
rviraniwm_eddie, that url says use F11 and F1207:25
rviraniits not working07:26
rviranimust be mapped on a different mac keyboard07:26
mbbtried various irq's for the sound, no difference. another 390x user reports same thing.07:26
rviraniwm_eddie,  how do I trap the keyboard keymap07:26
mbbalso just found that the audio mixer has tabs for both alsa and oss, maybe related to the problem.07:26
wm_eddieuhh... that's a good question for somebody who knows about keymaps :) I have no idea...07:26
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mbbbut I'm open to suggestions for how to proceed next...07:27
tableist90anyone know where i can change splash screen? i can't find it07:28
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Burgundaviasalut all07:29
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joel_pAnybody finding that warty iso images fail as "corrupt" during install?07:29
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Burgundaviajoel_p: my rc had no probs, no I cannot really help you07:30
rviraniwm_eddie, no workie07:31
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rviranihehe alright07:31
rviraniI remember the command, maybe the gentoo docs will have it07:31
joel_phmm....  any good way to install from an ISO image mounted on the hard drive?07:32
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wm_eddiejoel_p: If that ISO was written directly to a partition.... maybe... probably not.07:33
joel_pmight try loopback fs07:33
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tylerwyliehmm07:34
tylerwyliein my brand new ubuntu installation07:34
wm_eddieInstalls Ubuntu again.07:35
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GmailApache 1.3.33 Released07:45
will_hey everyone, I have a question for anyone willing to help me. I'm installing Ubuntu right now, and am having a problem with it running unusually slow. My linux level is newbie, anyone have the patience to help me?07:45
HrdwrBoBwill_: applications -> system tools -> system monitor07:46
HrdwrBoBhave a poke around in that07:46
HrdwrBoBand see if you can determine something that's using your resources07:46
will_I'm in the install process right now07:46
HrdwrBoB?07:47
HrdwrBoBhow is it running unusually slow if it's installing07:47
will_I downloaded a 24 MB package, took 2 mins, which is fine, but to install it takes like 20 mins!07:47
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GmailWTF07:47
Gmailwill_: are you using gentoo?07:47
will_Ubuntu07:49
Gmailwill_: is your cpu on sleeping mode?07:49
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will_I've used gentoo, I don't think it's compiling, I don't think it's in sleep mode07:49
HrdwrBoBwill_: so you have ubuntu installed07:49
HrdwrBoByou're using synaptic to install a package07:49
will_I'm in the install process now07:49
will_how long does it usually take?07:49
stuNNedis there a way to get a later version of rhythmbox?07:49
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: yes, apt-get install rhythmbox07:49
erniedoes anyone know where to find more documentation on routing tables, im new to linux and i think i screwed up my routing table, im going through a router07:49
tableist90HrdwrBob: do u know how i can change the splash screen in ubuntu?07:49
HrdwrBoBernie: they are relatively simple07:50
Lathiaternie: if you just down and up your interface itl reset to defaults07:50
Lathiaternie: so go into network settings make sure its all setup and then do an ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 as root and it should fix it all up?07:50
HrdwrBoBtableist90: computer-> system configuration-> login screen setup07:50
Gmailwill_: perl which is 30MB took 10s to install07:50
stuNNedHrdwrBoB, latest is 0.8.8, latest in ubuntu's repo's is 0.8.5 ?07:51
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Gmailtableist90: goto ubuntu-art.org read the faq you need to do some gconf hacking07:51
joel_pok.. turned out my CD drive is flaking....07:51
tableist90oh oki07:51
tableist90thanks Gmail07:51
will_how long does it take to install Ubuntu?07:52
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:mdz] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ || Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ || Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ || Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ || warty is out || Please don't paste in the channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/ || CDs will ship in a few weeks
GmailHrdwrBoB: thats wrong if if he hasnt add it to the options07:52
jdubmdz: || -> | :-)07:52
will_Gmail: how long did it take you?07:52
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joel_pafter booting, alt-f2'd over to another screen and unmounted the cd, then pluged in my (non-bootable) usb cd to continue07:52
HrdwrBoBGmail: huh?07:52
Gmailwill_: 10seconds07:52
HrdwrBoBGmail: that's the default07:52
will_Gmail: I mean to install the distro, the second stage?07:53
GmailHrdwrBoB: if he want to add new ones ... ubuntu-art.org explains it07:53
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Pizbit^will_: Depends a lot on cpu and hard drive speed, all that unpacking and installing to disk:)07:53
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Poyayanwhich file do I edit to make the toshiba modules load up during startup?07:53
Gmailwill_: to do a whole ubuntu install once i am in console too 45s07:53
Pizbit /etc/modules07:53
PizbitGmail: Wow, how do you unpack so much gnome is such a short amount of time?07:54
twisted_steeldid anyone try to confirm that firefox bug of mine while I was gone?07:58
Poyayanok cool thanks Pizbit07:58
GmailPizbit: i got a sata hdd it went at 150Mbit/s07:58
ernieLathiat: it still doesnt work after running that command, it says no working leases in persistent database, which is weird because i can log into my router and i beleive it assignd me an ip07:58
Gmailwho is using hoary like me?07:58
will_I guess I'll wait till it installs completely before complaining more, it just looks like it'll take the whole night07:58
PizbitGmail: There's no way you unpacked ~1GiB in 45s :)07:58
PizbitEr, that's the unpacked size isn't it?07:58
GmailPizbit: i didnt install everything07:58
Lathiaternie: That means the DHCP isntw orking, umm07:58
Gmaili installed about 400MB of stuff07:58
Pizbittwisted_steel: What bug?07:58
erniemy routing table is completely empty07:58
Lathiaternie: yes, because it could not get an address from yoru router07:58
rviraniGRRr07:58
Gmailerr the offical apt repsonory is SOOOO slow07:58
rviranimy computer is going crack07:58
rviranihow do I drop to console from X on a mac!07:58
mdzGmail: I get about 3 megabits from it07:58
rviranithis is pissing me off07:58
twisted_steelPizbit: if you double-right-click on an item in the downloads menu of firefox, it segfaults07:58
Gmail22KB/s07:58
Lathiatrvirani: ctrl+alt+f1?07:58
rviranishowkey just kept going berzerk07:58
Lathiatrvirani: maybe an apple key instead of alt or something?07:58
rviraniLathiat, nope07:58
Gmailmdz: i am in australia07:58
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Pizbittwisted_steel: ...and the reason you'd be double *right-cliking*?:)07:58
Gmailand mirror.isp.net.au reports a hard drive failur07:58
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will_rvirani: what are you trying to do?07:58
LathiatGmail: so get over it and use mirror.pacific.net.au or ftp.uwa.edu.au07:58
twisted_steelPizbit: no reason, tried to get some info on the file, but clicked extra times :)07:58
Gmailand i guess only the offical mirror has hoary already07:58
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GmailLathiat: LOL pacific blocks anyone not using there internet service07:58
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HrdwrBoBtheir07:58
Nafallohow to change gnomes splash screen, or where can I read about the task?07:58
GmailLathiat: non of them are in the wiki07:58
LathiatGmail: No they don't, you suck07:58
jdubNafallo: in the FAQ07:58
GmailNafallo: goto ubuntu-art.org and read there faq07:59
mdzGmail: mirror.pacific.net.au seems to be quite up to date07:59
pdx6hi, I just installed ubuntu on a Toshiba Portege 3500 and while sound seems to be playing, I have no audio07:59
GmailLathiat: they did when i was using debian07:59
pdx6the mixer is not muted either07:59
LathiatGmail: Works fine for me...07:59
Gmailmdz: do they have hoary?07:59
mdzGmail: yes07:59
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GmailLathiat: well my ip is banned from there isp server from even before i was on a static ip08:00
Gmailmdz: is it w/o errors?08:00
LathiatGmail: maybe its banned for a reason :P08:00
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mdzGmail: surely you're joking08:00
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Gmailmdz: no i am not08:01
Gmailthey banned iinet and 'node user from access there stuff too08:01
mdzGmail: I meant about hoary08:01
Gmailmdz: the took out the hoary is not ready to use stuff08:02
Gmailthat means its ready08:02
jdubheh08:02
mdzGmail: who are they? :-)08:02
=== Pizbit thought hoary wouldn't be usable for at least a week or two
Gmail--- mdz has changed the topic to:08:02
jdubPizbit: neither did we ;)08:02
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mdzGmail: that was me08:02
Gmaili guess you took it out08:02
twisted_steelPizbit: did you give it a try perchance?08:03
Gmailso its usable now08:03
Pizbittwisted_steel: I use a very recent nightly and the download manager extension and nothing is in there:)08:03
Gmailmdz: if its not ready why take it out!>?!?!?!?!?!?!08:03
PizbitSo I can't test it heh08:03
PizbitGmail: Calm down:P08:04
twisted_steelaww08:04
mdzGmail: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html08:04
twisted_steelPizbit: well I shall put something into the bugzilla and go from there08:04
Pizbittwisted_steel: Search first:)08:05
twisted_steelPizbit: I have, at least on the ubuntu bugzilla and came up empty08:05
PizbitAh, try the firefox one08:05
Gmailso the merge has finished08:05
twisted_steelok I shall08:06
Gmailus it usable08:06
PizbitGmail: If you want something usable, don't use it.08:06
Gmailwhen was the last time one of those mirrors sync with ubuntu responsory08:07
jdubROCK ON HOARY HEDGEHOG!08:07
GmailPizbit: i dont care about backage i know howto fix it08:07
jdub(good morning freedom lovers.)08:07
jdubGmail: the merge hasn't finished08:07
PizbitGmail: Then why not find out the hardway?:)08:07
Gmailit know if it stuff up i need to do a pin reset ....08:07
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Gmailjdub: then why did mdz remove it from the topic?08:07
jdubbecause it's ready for general testing08:08
jdubthat doesn't mean the merge has finished08:08
=== Pizbit looks at the long topic.
Gmailit should of only been removed it the merge is finished08:08
=== Pizbit looks at the long topic.
Gmailahhh so it also complete08:08
Pizbiter, oops08:08
Gmaillol08:08
PizbitDidn't hit up-arrow enough08:08
jdubno, now that hoary is dogfoodable (which has nothing to do with the merge), it's ready to test08:09
jdubthe merge itself is not complete08:09
PizbitDo I need a dog to test?08:09
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Gmailjdub: i used experiMENTAL and now howto fix my system08:09
Gmailas long as there is on half done rm -r script then i'll be okay08:10
=== Gmail remembers the horrer of lg-67
stuNNedis there unstable repo for warty?08:10
Gmailso has any other mirror sync with the offical one in the paste with mins08:10
twisted_steelPizbit: nothing that I can find in mozilla's bugs08:11
jdubstuNNed: no, warty is the ubuntu stable release08:11
jdubstuNNed: hoary is the development branch08:11
jdubstuNNed: we've just announced that it's ready for developers and hardcore testers to start testing08:11
Gmailsince mdz took it out a few min ago08:11
=== Gmail is hardcore
mdzyes, it was QUIETLY AND SUBTLY announced08:11
visordoes anyone know if someone got paid for polishing debian/gnome and making ubuntu?08:12
jdubvisor: yes08:12
deweyhmmm where is the hoary beta?08:12
HrdwrBoBvisor: quite a few people got paid :)08:12
Gmailvisor: i got paid a free ubuntu cd08:12
visorjdub: uhmm i see, ubuntu is the best god damn gnome distro, nice nice08:12
jdubdewey: it's not 'beta', it's very much 'alpha' -> see the ubuntu-announce list08:12
cef_workjdub: is there plans to release updates to warty in, say, 2-3 months? eg: with all the security updates.08:12
stuNNedjdub, hoary repo's? ;)08:12
deweyI am a hardcore tester with mdk also.08:13
jdubcef_work: updated isos? maybe, we've discussed (read: argued) about it before08:13
visori cant realize yet playing files trough gnome-vfs with totem, and actually works08:13
cef_workjdub: cool.. could be useful imho, but then again, that's mho, not anyone elses08:13
Gmailjdub: but winblows is alway in alpha so people who made the swap will not notice a diffrents08:13
mdzcef_work: we'll release an updated warty in 6 months, called 'hoary' :-)08:14
cef_workGmail: enuff with the windows bashing already08:14
cef_workmdz: heh08:14
Gmaildewey: are you from dewy.uni.cc ?08:14
visori would even pay for the disk's, just for the sake of keeping the good job :)08:14
jdubGmail: that's a fallacy08:14
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pastyhermitalright08:14
pastyhermitI really need to get my right click mapped08:14
stuNNedjdub, do you know where i can get rhtyhmbox 0.8.8 for warty?08:14
jdubpastyhermit: tried F11 and F12?08:14
jdubstuNNed: you can't08:14
jdubstuNNed: what's in warty is what's in warty08:15
cef_workGmail: no need to bash windows, ok? It does a good enough job of it all by itself, and it just makes Linux users sound like bigots.08:15
deweyjdub: ok where do I look for announcement of hoary alpha?08:15
deweyGmail: nope08:15
Gmailok08:16
mdzdewey: the ubuntu-announce mailing list08:16
PizbitHehe, in gmail searching for an email "  1 - 20 of hundreds Older "08:16
stuNNedjdub, rhythmbox dies on large importing of mp3's, should i file a bug report with warty or rb's bugzilla (gnome) ?08:16
deweymailing list hmmm I thought I was on that but none  have arrived for me e-mail account?08:16
Gmailok how heavy is hoary-changes's mailing list? more than a few meails a day?08:17
visorstuNNed: same happened to 0.84 maybe an upgrade? i remember i had that issue with fedora and i upgraded rhythmbox and then everything worked fine08:17
pastyhermitjdub: yeah08:17
pastyhermitjdub: this is an ibook08:18
pastyhermitI think they mapped for a powerbook08:18
stuNNedvisor, ok thanks08:18
deweypastyhermit: what ibook do you have?08:19
deweyjdub: so where can I download hoary test from?08:20
jdubdewey: see the announcement on ubuntu-announce08:20
pastyhermitdewey: 1Ghz08:20
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pastyhermitbbias08:21
Gmail??08:21
PizbitLots of ubuntu mailling lists :)08:22
GmailBug in Mailman version 2.1.508:22
GmailPizbit: i hitted a bug :(08:22
PizbitUHm, so?08:22
Gmaili will paste the trace back here08:22
GmailTraceback (most recent call last):08:22
Gmail  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main08:22
Gmail    main()08:22
Gmail  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 114, in main08:22
Gmail    subscription_cancel(mlist, doc, cookie)08:22
Gmail  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 312, in subscription_cancel08:22
Gmail    userdesc = mlist.pend_confirm(cookie)[1] 08:22
Gmail  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 141, in pend_confirm08:22
Gmail    assert self.Locked()08:22
GmailAssertionError08:22
Gmailopps08:22
HrdwrBoBplease do not paste in channel08:23
Gmaili was ment to pastebin SORRY08:23
PizbitGmail: Crikey, you'd think with all the ranting about the contents of the topic you'd actually read it.08:23
Gmaili forgot sorry08:23
deweyjdub: ok I found it so chnage updating to hoary by hand :) kewl08:23
cef_workstuNNed: how big was the mp3?08:23
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caleb_anybody know how to get the print screen and alt+print screen keys bound to take screenies?  I liked this setup in fc2.08:25
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SeArCh-morning08:25
HrdwrBoBcaleb_: computer->desktop preferences-> keyboard shortcuts08:26
deweyevening08:26
Gmailevening08:27
caleb_HrdwrBoB: its already config'd right it seems.  but its not working08:27
=== Gmail waves cya
stuNNedcef_work, not 1 mp3 but a folder with over 200008:29
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stuNNedcef_work, apparantly soemthing to do with glib, could be wrong though08:30
ernieim still having problems getting on my wireless network, my wireless card is set up correctly but my router wont assign me an ip, any suggestions?08:32
ernieim running kde on ubuntu08:33
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avidais there a way to install a minimal ubuntu for a non-x11 server ?08:35
Pizbitavida: Press F1 or F2 at the install prompt08:36
fabbioneavida: yes08:36
avidaAH!08:36
fabbioneavida: use the expert mode installation08:37
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cef_workstuNNed: ahh. just cos I've got a few mp3's that are over 40 meg.. *grin*08:37
avidaI was like, OK, maybe after it installs all the gnome packages it;lll ask mewhch packages I want ... hehe08:37
SeArCh-y does ubuntu ask me for pass if i want to install programs? and if i'm loged in as root how do i change it08:37
rviraniwhere do I check my keyboard map setting08:37
SeArCh-what user does it use08:37
rviraniI think I might have the wrong one08:38
avidathank you all08:38
cef_workstuNNed: got one that's 83 meg..08:38
rviranilike european or something08:38
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caleb_what package provides the 'import' command?  i want to install it08:38
cef_workSeArCh-: you aren't root. for any program that asks you a password, use your password08:38
stuNNedcef_work, and all of your load fine in rb?08:38
rviranicaleb_: xv I think08:38
stuNNedcef_work, your/yours08:38
thoreauputiccaleb_: imagemagick08:38
rviranicaleb_: or imagick08:38
cef_workstuNNed: haven't had a chance, though I was actually going to tackle rb tonight, so I'll find out methinks.08:39
rviraniwhere do I check the setting for my keyboard map?08:39
caleb_rvirani, thoreauputic: thanks08:39
thoreauputiccaleb_: imagemagick also has display and convert, among other commands08:40
caleb_yeah ive written scripts to drive them in the past, couldnt for the life of me recall the package name08:40
rviraniwhere do I setup my keyboard map!!!08:40
SeArCh-it tells me Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:08:40
HrdwrBoBrvirani: computer->desktop preferences-> keyboard08:41
HrdwrBoBalso, relax08:41
SeArCh-cant remember the main pass08:41
briareushehe08:41
HrdwrBoBSeArCh-: did you get your password right?08:41
SeArCh-yes08:41
rviraniHrdwrBoB: for keyboard map08:41
HrdwrBoBSeArCh-: it's the same one you logged in with08:41
rviranihrm08:41
rviraniok08:41
rviraniHrdwrBoB: sorry dude08:41
stuNNedcef_work, stuck with xmms here! :D08:41
SeArCh-i know08:41
rviraniI just wanna get this thing workn :D08:41
briareusso does everyone :)08:41
stuNNedcef_work, blast, i would have much more ogg/flac but had to convert alot of stuff to mp3 for dell jukebox reasons!08:42
rviraniI have an ibook, should it be set to generic?08:43
cef_workstuNNed: I'm going to go thru and re-rip all my stuff to ogg/flac, so will be interesting how big the cd's that produced the huge mp3's come out08:43
stuNNedcef_work, ugh, the labor of it though08:43
cef_workstuNNed: I'll just do it on the dual opteron that's sitting behind me *grin*08:44
rviraniHrdwrBoB: the problem I am having is showkey is returning hex values08:44
rviraniI treid it with all the topions and non work properly08:44
stuNNedcef_work, and you have that luxury! :)08:44
rviraniI just want to map right click to my apple key08:44
cef_workstuNNed: heh08:44
HrdwrBoBrvirani: you might be able to do that in keyboard shortcuts08:45
HrdwrBoBnot keyboard08:45
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rviranilol it says Starting keyboard shortcuts and then dies08:46
HrdwrBoBlol08:46
HrdwrBoBthat should not happen08:46
stuNNedrb is really nicely integrated into gnome-like but unstable as all heck!08:47
stuNNedeh that was meant for cef_work :)08:47
HrdwrBoBrvirani: run gnome-keybinding-properties08:47
HrdwrBoBin a terminal08:47
cef_workstub: heh08:48
cef_workstuNNed: erm, stuNNed even08:48
stuNNedheh :)08:48
cef_workstuNNed: hah08:48
HrdwrBoBhoo-ha, everybody was kung foo fighting?08:49
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HrdwrBoBPizbit: very doable08:49
caleb_Pizbit: it is08:49
HrdwrBoBPizbit: it'll take you .. about 10 minutes08:50
PizbitHrdwrBoB: Heh08:50
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rviraniautentication regjected08:51
rviranihrm as the user I am logged in as it just sits there08:52
Pizbitwow, python-gnome-1.2 sure pulls in a lot of packages08:52
=== Pizbit has this feeling it might not be the package he wants;)
stuNNedleast i have bitstream fonts in evol xmms!08:54
=== Pizbit looks at amarok, sees bitstream fonts:)
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stuNNedPizbit, :)08:56
Treenaksbitstream or bitmap?08:56
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ernie im looking for some help troubleshooting my wireless network settings, i cant get an ip address from my router, im running kde 3.2 on ubuntu08:59
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kitchen`anyone ever tried to build gaim-encryption on ubuntu?  I wasn't able to find a .deb for it09:01
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=== sid77 hi!
stuNNedhi sid7709:11
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jasonihey09:15
jasonidoes anybody have the x.org server working with Ubuntu?09:15
stuNNedhi jasoni09:15
jasonihey09:15
stuNNedjasoni, warty ships xfree86_custom or something09:15
jasoniI want to use x.org 6.809:15
Treenaksjasoni: just wait for packages09:16
elwoodjasoni,  i had on my debian09:16
Treenaksjasoni: you won't notice the difference, really09:16
jasonihow did you do it?09:16
danielswe ship a wacky version of xfree86 4.3; we should have x.org packages available in mid-to-late november09:16
danielswhy are you after 6.8?09:16
Treenaksdaniels: wacky? that must be the understatment of the week ;)09:16
jasonixcomposite09:16
sid77jasoni, they're working on it09:16
Treenaks+e09:16
tableist90what would u guys recommend?? Firestarter or Shorewall?09:16
danielsjasoni: it will be really slow and it will probably crash09:17
jasoniwhy?09:17
jasoniI had it working fine in Fedora Core 209:17
danielsbecuase composite support is pretty immature still09:17
elwoodjasoni,  xcomposite is unstable09:17
danielsif it works for you, great09:18
elwoodjasoni, i tried...it's better wait09:18
jasonik09:18
danielsbut I suspect it will take a fair few fixes pulled from HEAD (or r7 branch) to get it generally stable09:18
elwoodin ubuntu we trust09:19
jasoniso when it is released say in a few weeks I can just pull it off the main repository09:19
jasoni?09:19
danielsyeah09:19
elwoodwithout breaking any dep.. :)09:19
jasoniI wonder how long it will take to make it into the official debian tree09:19
jasoniprobably longer09:19
Treenaksdaniels: did you create the siliconmotion bug (1842) upstream yet? I couldn't find it in Xorg bugzilla09:20
elwoodjasoni, the stable u mean?09:20
jasoniyes09:20
jasonino09:20
jasonitesting09:20
Treenaksdebian stable? about 2 years 8)09:20
danielsTreenaks: not yet09:20
elwoodTreenaks, 2 years...are u an optimist? :P09:21
jasoniWoody is nuts09:21
danielsTreenaks: been otherwise quite busy09:21
grubermanIs there a real use for xcomposite? I'm googling and it looks like it's mostly for fun09:21
Treenaksdaniels: I can imagine that09:21
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elwoodjasoni,  woody is good if u are on a  server :)09:21
Treenaksgruberman: it can make stuff look cooler. if it looks cooler, more non-techies want it.09:21
Treenaksgruberman: (proof: windows XP, OSX)09:22
jasoniyou can see through windows ;)  That makes it more productive09:22
jasoniwith xcompmgr and trannset09:22
elwoodyes09:22
grubermanI like customizing, so I will probably try it someday :)09:22
elwoodbut i removed it quickly..09:22
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elwoodit went slower...when i had more than 5 windows opened...09:23
TreenaksI want drop-shadow windows in gnome ;)09:23
jasoniI want transition effects09:23
jasonithat would be cool09:23
grubermanTreenaks: There's alot for xp/2k right now. windowblinds and stuff...09:24
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jasoninone of it is realtime though gruberman09:24
jasoniits all software rendered09:24
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grubermanjasoni: what's the hit on the cpu?09:25
Treenaksjasoni: like "suck-it-into-the-dock" minimize on osx :)09:25
gruberman(or performance) I should say09:25
jasonifor software rendering of shadows and stuff on windows it is insane09:26
jasoniunusable09:26
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jasonibut it is the opposite with hardware render composite effects09:26
grubermanwhat i like with linux is that I have a p3 with 256mb ram and it's works great.09:26
jasoniyeah09:27
jasonilinux is very scalabe09:27
grubermanuntil I convinve my wife to install it on the other box09:27
grubermanRight now there's only two things that makes me keep th xp box. nfl fieldpass and making music09:27
jasoniwhats fieldpass?09:28
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grubermanI get all the games radio streamed + video clips. not easy living in Sweden trying to follow nfl :/09:28
sid77:)09:29
Treenaksgruberman: can't you listen streams with totem-xine and The Right Plugins ?09:29
jasoniyeah09:29
jasonior mplayer09:29
jasoniget w32codecs09:29
jasoniand the mozilla plugin for xine09:30
jasoniproblem solved09:30
izaaci recommend gxine with native linux codecs09:30
grubermanTreenaks: I pay ten bucks a month and it only works with realplayer09:30
jasonidownload realplayer for linux09:30
grubermanjasoni: i have it09:30
jasonirealplayer 10?09:31
grubermanIt's the membership stuff that breaks it09:31
jasonioh09:31
elwoodi hate this things09:31
grubermanThat service is only for windows09:31
sid77btw, what happens of the rumors about real player going gpl?09:31
Treenakssid77: helix player.. google for it09:32
sid77tnx09:32
jasoniwell there is helix player09:32
twisted_steelg'night everyone, or good morning as the case may be09:32
jasonihttp://www.helixplayer.org09:32
grubermanBut I have my xp box right next to my ubuntu box, so there's really no problem09:32
grubermanAnd the music stuff wont work on linux ion a long time anyways09:33
Treenaksgruberman: you could write them a letter explaining your situation, and asking for a better solution :)09:33
jasoniI had a BSOD in XP the other night the first time ever and I am never going back :)09:33
jasoniI have been using XP since RC109:33
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Treenakswill helix-player be included in hoary/universe?09:34
Treenaks(it seems to be in debian sid atm..)09:34
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grubermanTreenaks: I have been thinking about it.09:35
grubermangot to go bbl09:35
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schifoguys09:36
schifois there any way i can log into gnome as root09:36
elwoodschifo,  sure09:37
schifohow-to, elwood09:37
elwoodschifo,  italian from canada?09:37
schifosure am09:37
elwoodschifo,  modify gdm settings09:37
sid77change root pwd, allow root login on gdm and you are gone :)09:37
schifoguys thats the problem, i just installed ubuntu, and im new to this, not an expert09:37
sid77ok09:38
sid77"sudo su" to become root09:38
Tim-Eany idea's on howto get dual monitor support for Ubuntu ?09:38
sid77that's why root pwd is scrambled09:38
thoreauputicyou really shouldn't run X as root though :(09:38
elwoodschifo,  ok log in as root in dgm09:38
elwoodin gnome09:38
elwoodschifo, and became root in a terminal and start gdmconfig09:39
schifocan only log in as my user account in gnome09:39
elwoodschifo,  pardon login as normal user09:39
schifok09:39
sid77schifo, logging as normal user is all ok09:39
sid77you do root stuff with "sudo"09:39
elwoodschifo,  why u need to be root in gnome?09:39
stuNNedsudo -s for root shell, shifo09:40
schifoim at gdmconfig09:40
schifoelwood, more familiar with gnome for the moment09:40
schifoi know its not a good habit09:40
schifoguys09:45
schifowhen i used to run fedora, there was a gui admin tool in gnome09:46
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schifothat let me set the essid and wep key for my wireless card09:46
schifoi dont know how to do that in ubuntu09:46
Treenaksschifo: the network settings program can do that for you09:47
schifoTreenak, there is no such tool09:47
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Treenaksschifo: In the menu, under Computer/System Settings there is09:48
schifoTreenaks, thanks for the tip, that worked09:48
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schifowell, i dont see where im supposed to enter the essid and wep key ?09:50
schifonm, have to create new connection09:50
will_1I'm installing ubuntu linux right now and it's taking a really, really long time, 3 hours so far. I don't think it should take this long, I have an Athlon 2600+09:51
will_1can anyone help me speed it up?09:51
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jasoniit could be a messed up CD09:51
jasoniscratched09:52
jasonimaybe just dirty09:52
will_1at the second stage, the CD is already out09:52
den1zenmorning09:52
jasonioh09:52
jasonislow internet connection09:52
jasoniare you trying to download packages?09:52
will_1it's doing all the package unpacking, it goes in little spurts09:52
jasonihow fast is your internet?09:52
will_1they're all local, nothing is being downloaded09:52
jasonioh09:53
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will_1this is the second time the install is running, I'm trying a different filesystem, but nothing is different09:53
will_1the first time I stopped it after 1.5 hours, I said OK to download updates from the net. This time I did not09:54
jasoniis it just a regular ATA drive?  i386 build?09:54
will_1yes, it's a 7200 RPM drive, seagate. i38609:55
elwoodhttp://www.linuxlabs.com/software/AutoZen.html09:55
stuNNedwill_1, just had a seagate drive die on my like yesterday09:57
stuNNedwill_1, ran the smart tests in windows, predicted failure09:57
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will_1I've had it for over a year, my windows XP runs off the same drive09:57
stuNNedprobly have better luck than me :)09:58
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will_1where did you run those tests?09:58
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stuNNedwill_1, downloaded them from seagate website09:59
stuNNedwill_1, where? in windows, there is one for windows (not bootable floppy)09:59
stuNNedwill_1, runs smart tests09:59
stuNNedwill_1, smartmontools for linux09:59
will_1I'm gonna stop it and try it out09:59
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will_1stuNNed, I'm just booting into windows to try this out....maybe it is the damn drive10:01
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schifoguys10:05
schifoin network settings10:05
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schifoi select my wireless network card, and click activate10:05
schifoand it puts a check mark10:05
schifobut it goes away after 3 seconds10:05
schifohow do i get that wireless connection up? i know the card and everything works, since it worked at my friends house10:06
will_1do you have WEP running?10:07
schifono wep10:07
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cenerentolaHELO all10:10
cenerentolaall: ive a prob with the ml...10:10
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cenerentolai don't receive the mail i send... does someone know why?10:11
stuNNedcenerentola, from command line `mail` ?10:11
stuNNedor mutt?10:11
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cenerentolano evolution...10:13
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zimbahello, did somebody manage to install php5 on ubuntu ? I have problems compiling with apxs10:15
cenerentolastunned: got it?10:15
stuNNedcenerentola, do you get a bounced error message?10:15
fabbionezimba: you might want to use apxs210:16
borupmy install fails while installing the base system, specifically while processing nvidia-kernel-common_1.0.6111+1ubunto1_all.deb10:17
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borupknown problem?10:17
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Treenaksborup: I don't believe it.. it can't be ubunto :)10:17
sparkesborup, have you verified the disk is written correctly?10:17
borupTreenaks: heh10:17
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cenerentolastunned: no way10:17
cenerentolai dont get anything at all10:18
borupsparkes: well I burned a new one - from a different iso (fails in the same file)10:18
cenerentolastunned: well i use despammed.com... but it should be a prob...10:18
cenerentolasparkes: have you receive those mails?10:18
sparkescenerentola, yup, to the doc list10:19
sparkescenerentola, itallian translations right?10:19
sparkescenerentola, they are getting through to the list10:19
sparkesbrb10:19
schifoguys, can anyone help me get my wireless connection up and running10:19
schifomy card is installed and correctly configured10:19
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schifoit probably just isnt up and have the right essid and wep10:20
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KiwiFireGuyGreetings10:20
sparkescenerentola, check your mailing list page to make sure you haven't checked the box not to receive copies of your own messages10:20
sparkescenerentola, the list does send you copies of your own messages generally10:21
KiwiFireGuyI'm trying to set up sound on a Tosh Tecra 8000. Usually I use sndconfig... is that available in Ubuntu?10:21
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borupschifo: according to the faq, those should be setable in Ubuntu's Network Settings dialog10:22
cenerentolasparkes: ive checked that10:22
schifoborup, i did10:22
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schifoi select my wireless network card, and click activate10:22
schifoand it puts a check mark10:22
schifobut it goes away after 3 seconds10:22
borupschifo: does iwconfig confirm that?10:22
schifowhen i do iwconfig, it shows eth1 with the correct ESSID10:23
schifobut theres also an encryption key10:23
schifowhich i dont have at my house (wep)10:23
schifoand its removed in network settings10:23
schifoie. blank10:23
borupyou should use wep you know10:24
schifoi know10:24
schifobut besides point10:24
boruptry turning wep of via iwconfig10:24
schifonot really sure how, thats the problem10:24
sparkescenerentola, have you recived my reply to your test message, sent only to the list?10:25
KiwiFireGuyCan anyone help with sound config?10:25
schifojust did an iwconfig eth1 enc off10:26
schifok, got it to work10:27
swab_schifo, what router are you using?10:27
schifoswab, just did an iwconfig eth1 enc off; ifup eth110:27
schifoworks now10:27
schifoswab, linksys10:27
swab_great!10:27
cenerentolasparkes: no10:27
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borupschifo: odd10:29
schifoguys, how come my fonts are ugly in ubuntu, how do i get some anti-aliasing going on10:29
cenerentolasparkes: i'll change the subscribed address from despammed... to another redirection10:29
schifoborup, indeed10:29
borupschifo: wifi is not that easy to work with in linux10:30
Treenaksschifo: open the 'fonts' preferences10:30
Treenaksborup: it is.. all you need is a supported card..10:30
schifono anti-aliasing option10:31
Treenaksschifo: there are four "aAbBcCdD" things at the bottom10:31
Treenaksschifo: those set anti-aliasing10:31
sparkescenerentola, cool I was about to suggest that ;-)10:31
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schifohow do i install a .deb package?10:32
Treenaksdpkg -i file.deb10:32
schifoim used to rpm's10:32
schifok, thanks'10:32
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borupTreenaks: I have a supported card - its still a pain10:34
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elisianohi there10:36
elisianois there anyone?10:36
boruphow does one verify a cdrom?10:36
Treenaksmd5sum /dev/yourcdrom10:37
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elisianoI got trouble installing ubuntu on a G3 (new world)... is there a documentation for the command line options I can give at (install)  boot?10:39
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ToGGYI need some help!10:39
borupToGGY: unless you provide more info - you won't get any10:41
ToGGYMozilla-NSS10:41
BeTaI get some random system crashes on my ubuntu ppc (PowerBook G5)... anyone also get this (some ubuntu-ppc developpers here) ?10:41
ToGGYAny package for that in ubunt's?10:41
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elisianoBeTa: PowerBook G5???10:42
BeTanot PB G510:42
BeTalol10:42
BeTalittle mistake ;c)10:42
elisianolol10:42
elisiano:)10:42
BeTaG4 sorry :cb10:42
BeTasadly G4.. but G4...10:42
ToGGYany at all?10:42
ToGGYmozilla-nss anyone know what to install for that?10:42
ToGGYi tried mozilla10:42
mrjivehi *10:43
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borupToGGY: its called libnss310:46
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ToGGYborup: thanks10:48
ToGGYdoesnt install devs10:48
ToGGYi had to install gcc on this :-\10:48
mdzToGGY: this is answered in the FAQ10:49
BeTatry libnss3-dev or something lioke that (not verified)10:49
mdzwhich is linked from the topic10:49
mdzthat is, how to install development tools10:49
BeTaso there is no ubuntu-ppc user here ?10:49
ToGGYlol10:49
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ToGGYyeah10:49
ToGGYi had libnss3 installed10:49
schifoguys10:49
ToGGYbut not the dev lol10:49
schifowhere can i download gtk+-2.010:50
schifocant find it in synaptics10:50
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elisianowtf! blank screen if I use -power3 option10:50
ToGGYschifo: libgtk10:50
elisiano:/10:50
Treenaksschifo: you have gtk+ 2.4..  GNOME depends on it..10:50
ToGGYlook foor that10:50
Treenaksoh, and look for packages first (in universe maybe..) before compiling!10:50
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babuihi, has anyone installed ubuntu over debian/sid ?10:51
schifoTreenaks, installing airsnort, ./configure is telling me: no package 'gtk+-2.0' found10:51
Treenaksschifo: apt-get install kismet10:51
borupschifo: you need the -dev packages10:51
Treenaksschifo: or apt-get install airsnort.. there are packages, you know10:51
|trey|schifo, libgtk2.0 to be exact... should be there by default though  :/10:51
|trey|schifo, you probably need -dev10:52
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MikeGTNschifo: the pkgconfig files are in -dev10:52
Treenaks|trey|: he probably needs packages :)10:52
ToGGYyayaya10:52
schifoi like using synaptic package manager10:52
ToGGYi can use msn!10:52
schifodoesnt seem to find any airsnort10:52
Treenaksschifo: did you enable "universe" ?10:52
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|trey|Treenaks, not if he wants to compile it  :/10:53
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schifotrying to find this universe setting, cant locate10:53
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Treenaks|trey|: he doesn't want to compile it.. really..10:54
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|trey|schifo, synaptics "Repository"... just select it...10:54
Treenaks|trey|: not if there are packages10:54
ToGGYnow I have to re-compile xchat10:54
ToGGYdamn old crap10:54
|trey|Treenaks, enless he doesn't like how they were compiled for some reason  :/10:54
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Treenaks|trey|: if "apt" is hard, compiling is too hard..10:55
schifotreenaks, selected all in there, still no airsnort results10:55
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Treenaksschifo: did you run update?10:55
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schifono, and now i did, and now i find it10:56
|trey|Treenaks, apt-get source blah... apt is made for compiling too  :/10:56
cenerentolasparkes: can you try no10:56
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cenerentolaw10:56
Elwoodre10:56
schifotreenaks, should i also install kismet, as suggested10:56
|trey|Treenaks, also, debhelper is quite helpful...10:57
Treenaksschifo: kismet is a tool you can use to scan for wireless networks..10:57
Elwoodoh lovely wardriving10:57
|trey|Treenaks, besides anything, he's not using apt... he's using synaptic, synaptic is using apt not him  :/10:58
Treenakssynaptic..10:58
schifowhats wrong with using synaptic10:58
Treenaksschifo: nothing10:58
schifok10:58
|trey|schifo, absolutly nothing if you like to do things from the GUI  :/10:58
ToGGYyaya10:58
ToGGYim rebuilding xchat!10:58
spikebwhy?10:59
Elwoodwhy rebuilding?10:59
schifoyou almost made me believe that linux gurus dont use synaptic10:59
spikebyes, why rebuilding10:59
ToGGYold10:59
ToGGYold10:59
ToGGYold10:59
ToGGYold10:59
ToGGYi am compiling all the stuff I use most via source10:59
|trey|schifo, most Debian "guru's" don't  :/10:59
ToGGYsorry about the 'old' 4 lines10:59
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schifotrey, including yourself ?11:00
|trey|schifo, depends what I am doing since using Ubuntu...11:00
Elwoodit becames gentoo11:00
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ToGGYdont make fun of it11:00
|trey|Elwood, not if you're not compiling everything  :/11:01
fabbioneBeTa: sorry but i was kicked out... what kind of crashes you get?11:01
Elwood:)11:01
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ToGGYwhy?11:01
|trey|Elwood, I can stand it if I am compiling things cuz the packages I am using aren't what I need (things left out etc), but compiling EVERYTHING takes too long on a 933 Duron to be worth it  :/11:02
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|trey|ToGGY, because its not practical11:02
ToGGYso i cant complain ;-)11:03
|trey|ToGGY, there are better things to do with clock cycles  :/11:03
Elwoodi have a 1000 duron working at 1500 with 256 ram ...slow :(11:03
ToGGYi overclcoked11:03
ToGGY;-)11:03
ToGGYim running at 2.1ghz11:03
|trey|500mb RAM... but still...11:03
BeTafabbione: !! you here ? too ;c)11:03
fabbioneBeTa: yes i am back :-)11:03
BeTafabbione: I don't know what kind of crash... it doesn't print any log :c/11:03
|trey|VIA chipsets... never again...11:04
fabbioneBeTa: but it's hard freeze, an application crashing or what?11:04
BeTabut I only know that my box doesn't aswer to ping ICMP requets11:04
BeTahard freeze11:04
ToGGYi need to quit smoking11:04
ToGGY:(11:04
|trey|BeTa, that sucks  :(11:05
mdzToGGY: xchat in hoary is 2.4.0, latest upstream is 2.4.0. What exactly is old about it?11:05
Elwood|trey|,  what's wrong with via cips?11:05
BeTaand the only thing (crasy) I've noticed, is that I'm alway on a Mozilla window11:05
BeTalike Thunderbird11:05
BeTaor like firefox11:05
ToGGY2.0.811:05
|trey|mdz, Hoary isn't usable yet... most users are using 2.0.4...11:05
ToGGYversion me11:05
mdz|trey|: er, I'm running hoary11:05
BeTabut I don't think this can be considered as a crash reason11:05
Elwoodi am using 2.0.8 and it works11:05
|trey|mdz, I will be in about an hour too then  :)11:06
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|trey|mdz, still... warty is the release, so its what most will use...11:06
seb128ToGGY: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.4.0-0.2ubuntu1_i386.deb11:06
mdz|trey|: of course, and there is nothing wrong with that11:06
ToGGYim happy with source11:07
|trey|mdz, mainly cuz of what seb128 just said though  ;)11:07
schifogetting a message from airsnort that "could not set monitor mode", and get wlanctl-ng: command not found11:07
schifoany idea?11:07
mdzbut it is a bit ridiculous to complain about old software when newer software is available11:07
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BeTafabbione: any idea ?11:07
BeTaanyone get this too ?11:07
seb128|trey|: what did I say ?11:07
jordiseb128: dude where are the GNOME 2.9 pkgs?11:07
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fabbioneBeTa: not really...11:08
seb128jordi: dude, where are the GNOME 2.9 tarballs ? :)11:08
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fabbioneBeTa: is that a laptop? if so is the fan spinning?11:08
ToGGYyaya11:08
ToGGYnow i am on 2.4.011:08
|trey|seb128, you pointed folks at where to get hoary packages...11:08
ToGGYLinux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 [i686/2.09GHz] 11:08
ToGGYCharset: ISO-8859-1 Renderer: Xft11:08
ToGGYCompiled: Oct 29 200411:08
jordiseb128: L0L DUDE! You need tarballs when there's FRESH CVS TO CHECKOUT11:08
seb128|trey|: no, I pointed a deb file that's all. How do you know it's a hoary part ? :)11:09
spikebheh11:09
mdzToGGY: you didn't need to compile from source for that11:09
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ToGGYbut I love to11:09
|trey|seb128, cuz its not a warty part  ;)11:09
seb128jordi: ARG, I'm OUTDATED DUDE !!11:09
mdzToGGY: then why did you complain as if it was a chore?11:09
jordimdz: do something about this slacker11:09
jordihmm, this reminds me about apt. Aww.11:10
BeTafabbione: this is a PB G4 15" 1.5GHz11:10
mdzjordi: speaking of slackers...11:10
BeTafabbione: the fan is running sometimes11:10
jordiyeah, I know. :)11:10
BeTabut I don't know if there is a link11:10
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fabbionehmmmm11:10
ToGGYi didnt11:10
ToGGYLOL11:10
spikebwhoever is supposed to be working on usplash11:11
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BeTaI can consider this working well... but I can remember that fan was never running w/ it crashed11:11
BeTaso maybe it can be linked... :c/11:11
cenerentolafabbione: plz dont be cheesy11:11
mdzToGGY: easy there11:11
|trey|mdz, out of curiosity, does the Firefox package fix Java bugs of the previous RC?11:11
fabbionecenerentola: ?11:12
mdz|trey|: firefox has not been updated yet11:12
spikebthat reminds me11:12
spikebi need to update firefox on my wife's computer11:12
fabbioneBeTa: i would check if the cpu is overheated or something....11:12
spikebbrb11:12
|trey|mdz, hmm, even better  8)11:12
ToGGYSysInfo | System: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 | CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2090.486 MHz | Mem: 208/1036Mb (20%) | Diskspace: 56Gb Free: 2Gb | Bogomips: 4136.96 | Screen Res: 1280x1024 | Procs: 85 | Uptime:  1:25 | Connection Device: Unknown In: 81.44Mb Out: 2.69Mb11:12
ToGGYooh11:12
mdzToGGY: please stop pasting to the channel11:12
ToGGYim not pasting11:12
ToGGYoops11:13
ToGGYi just read the topic11:13
ToGGYsorry11:13
cenerentolafabbione: i DID ask you sth... and then youre are gently supposed to answer11:13
|trey|:( @ xpdf still11:13
BeTafabbione: how can I check that ? maybe there are sensors11:13
fabbionecenerentola: you are also kind to wait a sec. and second i did answer.. to the wrong window.11:14
BeTaor.. There are sensors (I can view their results on OSX)... but can I interrogate them on my GNU/Linux system ?11:14
schifoive been trying to setup Kismet and airsnort on ubuntu w/ an orinoco card and i have reached the point where i am supposed to patch my driver - but im not too sure what would be the best way to go about this? I know i have to grab a [patch or driver]  from http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html but am lost after that...11:14
Elwoodcenerentola,  are u one of the women of ubuntu's gdm login ?11:14
fabbionecenerentola: and there is no need to ask for my attention in a public channel that way11:14
elisiano:)11:15
fabbioneBeTa: probably...11:16
|trey|Elwood, the blonde was cute  8)11:16
ToGGYim starting to like ubuntu11:16
|trey|ToGGY, I liked it as soon as I saw a logical 2nd menu...11:17
spikebi'm not, but the only other thing i can stand is gentoo - and i hate waiting.11:17
Elwoodlol11:17
spikebthus, i use ubuntu. :)11:17
ToGGYNOO you people took me from gentoo to a binary distro :-\11:17
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spikebouch11:17
ToGGYsorry11:17
|trey|ToGGY, eh11:18
ToGGYi seriously like this11:18
spikebi like the "computer" menu.11:18
ToGGYi first loved slackware, then gentoo, now this11:18
ToGGYsimple no hassle11:18
ToGGYhow do I edit the computer menu?11:19
|trey|ToGGY, after using Fedora for a week (mainly to see again the speed diff of xorg), I am looking forward to it... Ubuntu is already the fastest distro I have used for day to day activities...11:19
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spikebfrak zappa? somebody stranger than frank? :P11:19
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|trey|ToGGY, no gui atm... you have to edit /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/vfolders11:21
|trey|Well, the files in there at least... yeah11:22
ToGGYi need to get my ged11:22
spikebsounds liek it11:22
ToGGYlinux made me drop out :(11:22
PizbitToGGY: You can right-click on the sub-menus and add stuff there though11:22
|trey|ToGGY, haha @ j0011:22
ToGGYlol11:22
|trey|ToGGY, heh... same here kinda... going to college to make money doing it now though  :)11:23
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ToGGY|trey|: haha @ j0011:23
|trey|ToGGY, I fail though, I got a 97 average in the linux classes... lameness  :(11:24
|trey|I shoulda got a 100, its only assosiates stuff  :/11:24
|trey|ToGGY, they actually asked "how do you list files"... I laughed so hard I forgot to answer  :(11:25
ToGGYls11:25
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BeTafabbione: my next reboot would be on my GNU/Linux and I'll try to find a tool to know that..11:25
|trey|ToGGY, *nods* ... its not that I didn't know it... I couldn't believe they actually asked  :/11:25
ToGGYlol11:25
ToGGYive been using linux for about 3 years11:26
ToGGYsince I was 1311:26
fabbioneBeTa: probably thom can help you more than me11:26
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fabbioneBeTa: but i think a sensor tool should be there11:26
BeTafabbione: what's strange w/ those crashes are their random caracteristics11:26
BeTagreat :c)11:26
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elisianofabbione: are you italian?11:26
|trey|ToGGY, since about a week after RH7.3 was released here... so umm... about 3 years too...11:26
|trey|20 here though  :)11:26
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BeTafabbione: and what about your IPv6 repository ? do you need help on something ?11:27
briareusoh you mean linux?> thought you meant drugs11:27
fabbioneelisiano: yes11:27
fabbioneBeTa: ENOTIME :(((11:27
elisianobriareus: actually linux is a drug ;)11:27
fabbioneBeTa11:27
briareusgoo dpoint11:27
elisianoonce you start using it you can't do without11:27
fabbioneBeTa: it's there laying on its own atm11:27
|trey|about 7 years of Microsoft... got bored with my free XP, so I decided to try Red Hat  :)11:27
elisiano:)11:27
schifoguys, how can i unload my orinoco module ?11:27
ToGGYsudo: /etc/init.d/identd: command not found11:27
ToGGYLOL11:27
grubermanelisiano: Nah, but frozen bubble is :)11:27
Elwoodenolinux11:28
elisianorotfl11:28
elisiano:)11:28
|trey|schifo, rmmod blah11:28
briareusrmmod11:28
elisianofabbione: di Roma?11:28
|trey|ToGGY, apt-get install pidentd11:28
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fabbioneelisiano: yes11:28
elisianoI guessed ;)11:28
borupgruberman: I have frozen bubble on my phone :-)11:28
briareusi'd never be able to put my phone down11:29
|trey|borup, that would just be a bad idea for me... that game scares me, its so addicting  :(11:29
grubermanborup: lucky you! just wasted 30 minutes playing it when I have other things to do.11:29
|trey|briareus, :)11:29
briareusthe music of frozen bubble is what mezmerizes me11:29
|trey|gruberman, you managed to put it down after just 30 mins?11:29
schifoproblem is guys11:29
briareusi played ?on a laptop with no sound, not nearly as addictive11:29
schifosays orinoco_cs is in use11:29
|trey|gruberman, I envy you  ;)11:30
schifocant rmmod11:30
grubermanbriareus: I hate it.. some crappy loops running :/11:30
|trey|schifo, there is a force option... man rmmod... I believe it tells you its a bad idea though  :/11:30
gruberman|trey|: Sometimes I'm strong. Just like Luke!11:30
briareusschifo, is the net up?11:30
schifodown11:30
briareusif or also iw?11:31
borup|trey|: the original psx game is better11:31
Tim-Ehow do i mount a ntfs partition ?11:31
schifoonly if11:31
|trey|schifo, yeah, umm... its not a good idea to deactivate something thats being used...11:31
|trey|borup, psx game of frozen bubble?11:31
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briareusschifo, dunno if ubuntu uses iwconfig and whatnot, see if you have an iw-down or whatnot in /etc/11:31
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Acridienhello11:31
briareusthe if-down equivalent11:32
briareusifdown :: iwdown or whatever11:32
borup|trey|: frozen bubble is a ripoff - the original is called bust a move (or something like that)11:32
briareusthen try rmmod11:32
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schifoits already been ifdown'd, iwdown doesnt exist11:32
briareusok all, gotta go kill some tanks11:32
Keybuk|trey|: yeah, there's a lot of lib change11:33
|trey|borup, I couldn't imagine it on a playstation...11:33
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ToGGYyou guys hear about verizion's new fttp?11:33
|trey|Keybuk, k... guess I will brb  :)11:33
grubermanI think there's a an online version called bitch.11:34
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plovssparkes, are you any good at nfs or nis?11:34
ToGGYyaya ipv6!11:36
BeTafabbione: ENOTIME ? what does that mean ? ;c) and same question for your second sentance ;c) lol... I seem to get some english problem today...11:37
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sparkesplovs, nope I don't do admin ;-) apt-get install nfs is my limit11:38
KeybukBeTa: Exxxxx is the syntax used for C error codes11:38
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KeybukEACCESS = Permission denied, EBADFD = Bad file descriptor, EIEIO = Kernel bought the farm etc.11:39
grubermanGah.. Need something to do tonight.11:39
Keybukso ENOTIME means "I have no time"11:39
grubermanShould I start messing around with Java or PHP+Mysql or Python or?11:39
Elwoodeno= wine in italy11:39
BeTaallright... I was not on this kind of vocabulary11:39
Elwoodso enotime is time to get drunked11:39
BeTaI've got a bad night ;c)11:40
thoreauputicplovs: nice howto on nfs here; http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html11:40
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BeTafabbione: if you want to delegate something... ask me :cb11:40
AcridienElwood: elwood from a console monthly magasine ?11:40
ElwoodAcridien, no elwood from my room in ital11:41
fabbioneBeTa: ENOTIME = Error No Time ;)11:41
fabbioneBeTa: yes i know.. you are always offering to help me...11:41
BeTayep they've explain me ;c)11:41
fabbioneBeTa: i should have done that a while ago11:41
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BeTabut I don't have many competences (even if I'm underconsidering mine)11:42
BeTafabbione: :c)11:42
BeTafabbione: take the time you need... :c)11:42
fabbioneBeTa: yeah.. well you need to start somewhere11:42
fabbionetime? which time?11:42
BeTalol11:42
spikebno time at all!11:42
BeTamaybe I would have a look at postfix or apache patches11:42
BeTamaybe we may continue on the right chan ;c)11:43
ToGGYlol11:43
ToGGYall my messages are binary11:43
ToGGYmy quit, my part and my away11:43
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userXhey everyone, I have a newb question. This is the first time I'm using a debian based distro, where can I get a list of apt-get servers11:48
userXpackages that will work on ubuntu11:48
plovsthoreauputic, thanks!11:48
KeybukuserX: most software should be available in Ubuntu's main and universe repositories11:49
grubermanuserX: start synaptic. There you have choices11:49
Keybuk(look at /etc/apt/sources.list)11:49
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userXah! thanks gruberman, that's actually what I was trying to install, didn't know it was already in :P11:50
thoreauputicplovs: I found it pretty helpful - hope it helps you :)11:50
Elwoodrm -r /*11:50
Elwoodops11:50
Elwoodwrong window11:50
grubermanuserX:  :)11:50
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userXin that case, here is my next question. Where can I configure the display driver, I want to use the nvidia driver for gnome.11:53
Erixwhat is the needed apt command to install the kernel compiled for athlon xp?11:53
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cardadorErix: use synaptic instead and search for your kernel11:56
plovsthoreauputic, well, i am collecting stuff for a howto on the wiki11:56
plovsthoreauputic, you any good in writing howto's ?11:57
Tim-Enew variant of bagle ?11:57
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thoreauputicplovs, sorry afk at another box - i can write, but I'm nor maybe that knowledgeable: also I'm using debian atm, not Ubuntu - though I like the Ubuntu idea12:00
Erixcardador: thanks. will try that although i don't like guis much12:02
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thoreauputicplovs, given that Ubuntu is desktop-oriented, maybe too much dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and such might not be appreciated ;)12:03
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bohrbugI try to upgrade kernel image to 686 version, but my current kernel is not even in the apt-cache12:08
xiximkopphi there! i have some problems using grub, since i've got a new mainboard. first of all grub seems not to find /boot (i worked around this using an old hd, which is very load). second i cant use splash images in grub. can anybody help me?12:09
bohrbugI can see kernel-image-2.6.7 but not 2.6.8.1-312:10
borupyes - installed at last12:10
xiximkoppbohrbug: what about updating your cache?12:10
bohrbugxiximkopp: done, of course12:11
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xiximkoppxiximkopp: i'm using synaptic, and have 2.6.8.1-16 in my cache12:12
xiximkoppbohrbug: i'm using synaptic, and have 2.6.8.1-16 in my cache12:13
bohrbughmm, weird12:13
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xiximkoppwhat server do you use for upadate?12:14
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Pizbitheh12:15
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bohrbugah, they are named linux-image, not kernel-image12:15
Pizbit-1million Ghz:), 0MHz...:)12:15
PizbitOoer, 13 billion % :)12:16
xiximkoppbohrbug: you're right!12:18
vasiargh12:19
EnesI have a big Problem with Ubuntu, it seems that it cannot recognize my USB Devices (Logitech MX 500). It seems that it has a problem with my SiS chipset.12:19
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ToGGYoh shit12:21
ToGGYand we are going to have no power12:21
ToGGYi seriously need to invest in a backup12:21
ToGGYlol12:21
Tim-Ehehe12:23
Tim-Eyes12:23
ToGGYits storming bad12:23
Tim-Ewhy can't i mount ntfs read only on my box12:24
ToGGYntfs is only read-only12:24
Tim-Ei know12:24
ToGGYtheres no support or if any very little atm12:24
ToGGYhm..12:25
ToGGYfor some reason grub dont like my two ide-scsi12:25
Tim-Ecomplains that i'm trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside12:26
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MeAndUWhen I run synaptic from menu and supply the root pass i got this error. Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:12:27
MeAndU Child terminated with 1 status12:27
MeAndUthis is also same with other root apps12:28
SeveasMeAndU, you should not supply the root password12:28
Seveasbut your own12:28
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MeAndUi will try that, thanks12:28
MeAndUyes it worked thanks12:29
Seveasyw12:29
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SeveasTim-E, what is the problem with ntfs?12:30
Seveaswhat is the message you get?12:30
Seveasoh nvm i see it already :)12:31
SeveasI guess you tried to mount /dev/hda2 or something like that?12:31
Tim-Emount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /mnt/ntfs12:31
Tim-Eor even -t ntfs12:31
Tim-Egives the same error12:32
Seveas/dev/hda3 is NOT your ntfs partition12:32
Seveasit is the extended partition containing the logical partition12:32
Tim-Ehmmm12:32
Seveascan you paste the output of mount (without parameters) in a private window12:33
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MeAndUduring installation how to install lilo instead of grub12:36
Seveasnot12:36
Seveasyou can do it after installation though12:36
MeAndUthe last time i did that i lost my dual boot, xp loader12:37
MeAndUI beleive its grub12:37
optikahi, can anybody give any pointers for installing on an Intel 915 mobo? I've inserted the ata_piix module into the kernel, but I still don't see any ata devices12:38
Seveasgrub did fine for me12:39
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optikaalthough, in hte dmesg, it's seeing the drive12:42
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optikaok, problems sorted.12:47
stevedForgive me if this is insanely naive, but does anyone know if there's such a thing as a gnome alarm clock?12:47
stevedAll I can seem to find is an alarm clock plugin for XMMS12:48
Hikaru79steved: Not that I've heard of. But what's wrong with xmms-alarm? :)12:50
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PizbitHikaru79: It requires xmms12:50
stevedHikaru79: That it requires XMMS? ;)12:50
Pizbitsteved: Ahh, great minds think alike:)12:50
Hikaru79Oh12:50
stevedheh12:50
Hikaru79Err, what's wrong with xmms then? :P12:50
Hikaru79I assumed you were using it ^ ^:12:51
PizbitIt's puke material12:51
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PizbitI only have it for xmms-alarm12:51
Hikaru79Well, in that case: http://home.freeuk.net/igbarn/alarm-applet.html12:51
stevedUgly, poor UI, and it's about as far from HIG-compliant as you can get :)12:51
Hikaru79Gnome alarm applet :)12:51
Pizbitsteved: What music player do you use?12:51
stevedWait, I guess those last 2 are the same :P12:51
Hikaru79What music/streaming radio player do you use then?12:51
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PizbitI need an alarm that can slowly fade in my music:)12:52
stevedPizbit: RhythmBox serves all my (relatively basic) music needs for now. I've contemplated trying Muine or YAMP, but never bothered12:52
Hikaru79LOL12:52
steveder, Hikaru7912:52
Pizbitsteved: I have yet to decide what is worse, rb or xmms12:53
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stevedPizbit: I know what you mean. An alarm clock with a few customizable features would be really nice. Maybe that's a hacking void that could be filled easily :)12:53
PizbitThe latter as least allowing you to configure the sound output.12:53
Pizbitsteved: Yeah, I'm tempted to fill it.12:53
Pizbit'cept I'm a lazy so who'd have to learn a fair bit to do it.12:53
stevedPizbit: rb has never given me any trouble, it's just pretty feature-weak. But I don't get too fancy with my music-playing anyway :)12:54
stevedI think I might take a stab at it. I've always wanted to write an applet.12:54
PizbitWhat language?12:54
stevedHrm. Tossup between C# and python.12:55
stevedIf it could make it into the next ubuntu release with whatever stable version of mono they end up using, I'd do it in C#.12:55
Pizbitpython!12:55
stevedYeah, I know. :) Python is pretty awesome.12:55
Pizbit'tis the only language I've bothered to more than just look at12:56
grubermansteved: How's mono? Is it .NET in linux?12:56
stevedI'm a lot more familiar with C#/mono, though, since I'm a .NET convert.12:56
stevedgruberman: It's the .NET foundation classes, ASP.net, and a C# compiler12:56
stevedSo... yes. :)12:56
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grubermanOk.. I actually downloaded c# express beta on my xp box12:57
stevedIt doesn't include anything unfree, like Passport.12:57
stevedgruberman: I would recommend getting a copy of vs.net, if you plan on writing C# on Windows with any kind of regularity.12:58
grubermansteved: I wont :)12:58
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stevedhehe12:58
stevedFair enough ;)12:58
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grubermanI thinking of doing something on the linux box12:58
stevedWith mono?12:58
grubermanbut time is limited (family, work,house) so I'm trying to figure out which language to use12:59
stevedAh.12:59
stevedIf your time is limited, I'd say go for python.12:59
litenpython or perl01:00
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jamaasCan someone please give me a diagnostic program/utility to run that will give me some idea of why my external HD will not connect via 1394?  Thanks01:00
stevedIt's an easy language to learn, it's clean, it's easy to write good code with, and it's very very free. :)01:00
grubermanYeah, python looks fun :)01:00
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litenhehe, python is a tad more limited than perl, and a tad easier to learn :P01:01
grubermanI reallt like pascal tho01:01
PizbitHahaha:)01:02
stevedIt may only be a tad easier to learn. But it makes code which is infinitely more readable, since perl tends to have an inverse relation between code cleanliness and quality ;)01:02
litengruberman: then look at ADA01:02
grubermanOr delphi rather01:02
litensteved: perl isnt readable, but it works01:02
stevedliten: I've had too many years of software engineering propaganda pumped into my brain to let that work as an argument anymore. ;)01:03
litensteved: hehe, i wasnt trying to make progaganda, i am too old for that shit01:03
stevedhaha, didn't think you were :)01:03
litensteved: i use C, i like C, and i doubt i learn something else than basics in other languages01:03
litenbut, you dont learn C overnight01:04
stevedNo, that's for sure.01:04
stevedI would still consider C easier to learn than perl, but I guess that's pretty subjective.01:04
grubermanwell, python it is01:04
grubermanlots of good docs and stuff on the net01:04
stevedI suppose perl does get a person writing useful code quickly.01:04
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litennah, i'd say perl is easier to learn than C, atleast to get started01:05
litenbut, C is a sortof better start, if you want to learn other languages01:05
litenbut, that again, is very subjective01:05
steved:)01:05
litenif you learn perl first, most other languages are just very different01:06
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stevedYeah.01:06
stevedIf you're writing clean perl, though (before you try to learn anything else), learning a new language probably wouldn't be too bad.01:06
jolgis there a simple way too install mono and gtk# in ubuntu... Or do I have to download and compile?01:06
stevedOnce you've hit one of the C family you have most popular languages covered. :)01:07
Pizbitsteved: Don't suppose you know of any python-gnome howto resources for building applets and whatnot?01:07
stevedjolg: There's an unsupported repo (which works quite well - it's well-maintained). I'll find it for you01:07
jamaasWhat language will help me find hard drive on 1394 ?? ;)01:07
jolgsteved: thanks01:07
kentjolg, have you checked if its in universe?01:07
stevedPizbit: No, sorry01:07
liteneh?01:07
grubermanWell, I'm not going to write a new 3D-engine that would rival Carmacks stuff, so time to start collecting links :)01:07
stevedkent: it isn't, for some reason01:07
litenits not in universe, but it is in multiverse01:08
stevedOh, right.01:08
litenput in multiverse, and you find mono there01:08
jolgkent: ok, I'm new to debianish linuxsystems.01:08
stevedI installed ubuntu and mono before I knew there was a multiverse (or possibly before it existed)01:08
jolghow do I do that?01:08
litendeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse01:08
jolgok01:08
litenput that line in /etc/apt/sources.list01:08
Tomcat_What's multiverse compared to universe?01:09
liten"more"01:09
stevedHehe01:09
jolg*lol*01:09
Tomcat_I read universe was Debian unstable, so what is multiverse? :)01:09
grubermansteved: is PyGTK something to look into?01:09
stevedgruberman: I would say so01:09
seb128Tomcat_: one example: mplayer01:09
stevedIf you're planning on writing GUI apps01:09
Pizbitgruberman: I've used a small bit of it in my own small app and it seems cool:)01:09
litenTomcat_: an open unstable repos?01:09
Tomcat_Oh... alright.01:10
seb128Tomcat_: extra stuff not in debian01:10
Tomcat_Kewl... that makes it even more usable. :)01:10
stevedgruberman: I think PyWx (or whatever) is supposed to be good, too (particularly for cross-platform code) - but I"ve never really played with wx, and I'm pretty partial to Gtk thanks to Gtk# ;)01:10
grubermanI always end up doing a yatzy app, so it would be nice with a GUI01:10
kentisn't multiverse the same as universe but it contains non-free stuff aswell? But just MIGHT be wrong ;)01:10
grubermansteved: GTK for c#?01:10
Pizbitsteved: Ugh, wx, that's always looked horrible on my machine01:10
jolgmine too01:11
jolgI hate python!01:11
litenhehe01:11
liteni like qt or gtk01:11
stevedPizbit: Good to know :) I don't think I've ever seen a wx app01:11
jolgit always give me trouble... at least almost always! ;-)01:11
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grubermanThat's the thing I have problems with in linux. All those GTK, wx and stuff01:11
stevedgruberman: Yeah, a GTK library for Mono (C#, VB.net, etc.)01:11
Pizbitdang, nope01:12
stevedgruberman: Yeah, all the widget sets are pretty annoying. Hopefully sometime in the future fd.org will help everyone standardize something beautiful :)01:12
stevedseb128: multiverse contains nonfree stuff?01:13
grubermansteved: So GTK is just an API for X or something? Jsut like wx is another?01:13
jolgwhat is the gtk# packet called?01:13
stevedjolg: gtk-sharp, I think01:13
jolgsteved: ofcourse =)01:13
Tomcat_5 minutes till I get to try Ubuntu on my lappy! :D01:14
Tomcat_Can somebody do a package search for "madwifi" please?01:15
stevedgruberman: I'm sure I'm not the best person to be explaining widget toolkits, so I'll leave that to someone more knowledgable. But the only 2 you really need to worry about are GTK and Qt.01:15
ThreeDayMonkwhere can I get esddsp?01:15
ajmitchjolg: it may be libgtk-cil01:16
vasiThreeDayMonk, esddsp comes with esd...but that's a buggy way to do things01:16
vasiyou're better off enabling dmix so multiple things can connect to also01:16
vasiALSA, sorry01:16
jolgajmitch: yes apt-get told me so.. He's kind of smart! =)01:17
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ThreeDayMonkvasi: do you understand this well?  I'd be grateful for some help01:17
ThreeDayMonkI've got a USB headset which I'd like to use with skype01:18
Tim-Ewhat's the environment refresh command in bash ?01:18
jordislightly on-topic, the ALSA debian dudes are looking into making the setup of dmix in alsa-lib a bit easier in the next uploads.01:19
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ajmitchafternoon jordi  :)01:20
vasiThreeDayMonk, i'm no expert, but i just got it working myself thanks to some links01:20
DelgulHey all... Need some general info on Ubuntu... anyone that has installed recently and want to tell something about it? Preferably a Debian die-hard...01:20
vasiALSA has a great wiki, look around there01:20
vasijordi, that's great news01:21
ThreeDayMonkso... I need to install ALSA, first of all01:21
TreenaksDelgul: what do you want to know...01:21
jordihi ajmitch01:21
DelgulTreenaks: Ok, I am confused about the package management. Will I have my apt-get update/upgrade and can I upgrade into eternity?01:22
Treenaksyes, yes01:22
DelgulTreenaks: Cool... freedom of choice in KDE/Gnome?01:23
DelgulTreenaks: Kernel 2.6 or 2.4?01:23
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TreenaksDelgul: 2.601:23
DelgulTreenaks: ALSA or OSS audio?01:23
TreenaksDelgul: freedom of choice, basically.. but KDE is not supported (you can install it, not guarantees)01:23
TreenaksDelgul: ALSA, OSS emu01:23
DelgulTreenaks: Cool... where's the catch then? Can I install it comercially for my customers without starting to pay?01:24
vasiGPL == catch?01:25
TreenaksDelgul: it's Free.. just like Debian is01:25
DelgulTreenaks: So how do they pay for the developers they hired?01:25
TreenaksDelgul: uhhh.. isn't that in the FAQ?01:26
Delgulvasi: GPL is no problem ;-)01:26
TreenaksDelgul: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/01:26
TreenaksDelgul: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."01:26
TreenaksDelgul: "The Ubuntu Project is a community project with participation from many volunteers, sponsored by Canonical Ltd. Canonical will not charge licence fees for Ubuntu, now or at any stage in the future. Canonical's business model is to provide technical support and professional services related to Ubuntu."01:26
DelgulTreenaks: You are right, perhaps I should read that one too ;-) What is your general impression Treenaks?01:26
TreenaksDelgul: I love it :)01:27
TreenaksDelgul: I've become an instant Ubuntu salesman ;)01:27
DelgulTreenaks: Any points you don love that you want to share?01:27
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Treenaksuhh, not really01:28
KeybukDelgul: Canonical is fully-funded by Mark for quite a while ... otherwise we have various methods of making money including support, for which we already have customers; also it doesn't actually cost a huge amount to run Canonical, largely just the wage bill and hosting costs -- we don't have offices or other traditional corporate overhead01:28
Tim-Ecd //01:28
Tim-Ewhoops :)01:28
TreenaksTim-E: wrong window ;)01:28
Tim-Eindeed01:28
DelgulTreenaks: Thanks... I will be trying it this weekend ;-)01:28
stvnDelgul: well, it doesn't have psycic abilities, so I still have to click on stuff to open, other than that it's perfect ;)01:29
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Delgulstvn: Thanks... the psychic abilities will probably be implemented soon I gather ;-)01:30
stvnat least it does cross channel chat ;)01:31
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Android16hello01:33
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grubermanWhy are the Debian folks so bitchy about ubuntu?01:34
stvngruberman: they are? I guess they prefer 'real' debian over all the derivatives01:35
stvnI remember haning out in #debian and see knoppix ppl told to bugger off to #knoppix, they do have a point in saying that #debian is for debian and not knoppix ubuntu etc01:36
vasioy...the power management unit is convinced that my *desktop* is running off battery01:36
mjrdoes reportbug work with ubuntu appropriately, btw?01:37
vasiyeah, you can't expect debian folks to take responsibility for fixing things of which they have no knowledge01:37
litenvasi: nice01:37
cardadormjr: in my experience, yes01:37
litenvasi: you actually have a /proc/acpi/battery/ on a desktop?01:37
stvnvasi: do you have a battery?01:38
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grubermanstvn: Sorry, didn't mean to say EVERYONE :)01:38
grubermanstvn: But alot of them01:39
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vasier, no i don't have a battery01:39
stvngruberman: ah well, they're just jealous ;)01:40
vasino acpi...it's some bug in the powerpc pmu i think01:40
stvnvasi: ah that's the problem than01:40
stvnvasi: it also thinks here it runs from battery, whereas I have a normal AT PC01:40
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vasiwell it's annoying, because now anacron thinks "oh, he's on battery! better wait til he's on AC before running heavy tasks"01:41
vasiwhich means it waits forever01:41
DelgulTreenaks,stvn: Is the evolution-exchange plugin available as a package that you can see?01:41
stvnDelgul: it's installed by default with evo01:41
TreenaksDelgul: yes, it's installed by default01:42
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vasii think i'll write up a "PPC Gotchas" section on the wiki01:44
vasiubuntu's still the best ppc distro around, maybe tied with YDL...but there are so many things that are so f-ing complicated to get working01:44
Android16where can i add static routes to ubuntu ?01:44
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Tomcat_lol... my ram disk is too small for Ubuntu Live.01:46
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Android16mm01:48
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Thorhi, anyone around ?01:49
Android16where do you put commands that need to run @ startup ?01:49
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TreenaksAndroid16: what startup? login or system?01:49
litenAndroid16: what kind of command?01:49
Thori gtg, ill be back alter, igot some qns about ubunut to ask some knowledgable person01:50
litenThor: we're all blondes here01:50
borupwoops - running grubconf was a bad idea01:50
stvnliten: not me, I died my hair01:50
litenThor: stop using all the shorts, makes me scared01:50
litenstvn: cheater :P01:50
stvnliten: AI01:50
Android16want to put route add statements to be executed when servers starts up01:50
ajmitchAndroid16: probably best to put them in the network config01:52
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ajmitchAndroid16: /etc/network/interfaces01:53
Thorheheh,01:53
Thorwell, i might aswell ask now since i got a few mins01:53
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Thori have a 466mhz celeron with 64mb ram, will ubuntu work on it ?>01:53
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Android16ajmitch, thanks , will try01:54
tmartinhey whats a good IDE for C/C++ dev in gnome?01:54
Thoreven if i have to turn everythign down, i dont care, as long as it is easy to turn it all down im fine with it01:54
spivThor: Yeah, but the full gnome environment will be a bit slow.01:54
litenAndroid16: reading man 5 interfaces is good though01:54
ajmitchAndroid16: check the interfaces man page for examples :)01:54
spivThor: You'll probably want to switch to fluxbox or something like that after install.01:54
boruphow do I recreate my (now empty) menu.lst for grub01:54
Lathiatborup: update-grub ?01:54
Thorspiv, so it has KDE or somthing ?01:54
Android16*Thanks*01:54
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Thorso your sure it will work ?01:55
Thorwill it run well, even with the stuff turned down, or will it trudge along ?01:55
spivThor: The standard install is GNOME 2.8.  KDE is available, but is not supported and not on the CD.01:55
Tomcat_Bah... no Ubuntu Live for me. :I01:55
borupLathiat: thanks01:55
Android16got squid, sendmail and mysql running on server , just battling with Trend Viruswall01:55
spivI don't know how well it'll run, exactly... try it and see ;)01:55
spivBut I suspect 64 MB will be a little uncomfortable.01:56
sven-ericHi! Is there any way to mount/access a server via the scp-protocoll into nautilus?01:56
Thorwhat is the min requirements for it ?01:56
vasisven-eric, i don't know the answer but gftp is a good client01:56
beezlysven-eric: nautilus can do sft01:57
beezlysven-eric: sftp even01:57
ropca400mhz celeron , 256mb ram - works fine01:57
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beezlysven-eric: try that... if the server is running OpenSSH it will probably work01:57
Thorohh ok01:57
Thorthanks for your help folks, really appreciate it :)01:57
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Thorill be back later, cyas01:57
sven-ericbeezly: but how can I do it?01:57
liten64mb ram works fine, but it would require some tuning01:58
vasisven-eric: maybe with "open location"?01:58
plovs_workis there a way to easily share a folder with a windows comuter in ubuntu? or is the only way editing samba.conf?01:59
sven-ericI tried it with 'connect to server' and selected ssh as protocoll, but I can't access the mount afterwards, altough the settings seem to be perfectly correct.01:59
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litenplovs_work: the easy way is samba02:00
vasisven, use sftp:// as the protocol02:00
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chzhello all02:01
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vasiso "sftp://vasi@server.org/home/vasi/blah"02:01
vasinot sure if it supports passwords...02:01
plovs_workliten, thanks02:01
chzubuntu has just been getting better and better everyday...02:01
stvnsven-eric: ssh:/// might work as well02:01
chzbut i have one problem as of yet....was wonderin if sumbody might help..02:01
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Fanglezguys, does ubuntu automatically setup internet connections from detected devices?02:02
LathiatFanglez: You'll have to set it up in Computer -> System Preferences -> Network02:02
chzrite now im trying to get mp3 streaming to work...tried through rythmbox and xmms...both downloaded through synaptic..02:02
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chzand it just sits at Buffer...or the program hangs..02:02
chzany ideas..?02:03
Fanglezthanks Lathiat, didn't know if i'd be abe to get out after install, never encountered Ubuntu before:)02:03
cardadorchz: install gstreamer-mad02:03
chzsumtimes mpg123 works...but not all the time..02:03
spivchz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:03
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chzgstreamer-mad...ok..02:04
jamaasanyone there who can help diagnose a 1394 disk connection error ??  Please ... :)02:04
chzgstreamer-mad didnt work...anyother ideas..?02:08
seb128gstreamer0.8-mad02:09
vasii'm currently streaming radioparadise just fine02:09
chzim going to reboot...i'll brb..02:09
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vasiwith rhythmbox...why is it giving you problems?02:10
vasihmmm....what's a good yet simple programming editor?02:13
GotD0tvasi: gedit02:16
Pizbitvim02:17
borupvasi: that is a contradiction in terms02:17
GotD0thaha02:17
stvnvasi: !Zap02:17
GotD0tborup: very true02:17
GotD0tvasi: you can use any text editor you wish02:17
GotD0tvasi: just a matter of personal preference02:18
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vasiwell i'm just looking for something that won't make me do arcane key-commands a la vi/emacs, but still can show me a list of all the functions02:21
chzyeah...same thing...nothing happened...02:21
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vasii guess kate could work...02:21
chzjust sits at buffer02:21
LinuxJoneschz, what does ?02:22
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ToGGYLOL02:23
ToGGYim liking the dual monitors!02:23
chzxmms and rhythmbox...when i try to connect to a stream...02:23
GotD0toh ToGGY its an addiction02:23
ToGGYtrue thaty02:23
GotD0tToGGY once you go dual you'll hate using only one for more than 10 minutes02:23
ToGGYhow do I make gnome panels go across both monitors?02:23
ToGGYi know02:23
ToGGYi used it when I used windows about a month ago02:23
GotD0tToGGY its gotten to the point where i cant even go to the computing labs at my college02:24
LinuxJoneschz, you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad02:24
ToGGYhow do I make gnome panels go across both monitors?02:24
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GotD0tToGGY I dont think you can make the same panel stretch... but you can make a new one02:24
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GotD0tjust right click on one of the existing ones and click new panel, then drag that one where you wish and customize it02:25
ToGGYwhats the point of that if you cant have a massave ass task bar?02:25
chzoo...i think i just installed gstreamer-mad...not 0.8...i'll try that..=)02:25
GotD0tToGGY ?02:26
ToGGYwanna see the sexyness?02:26
ToGGYcant read my font lol\02:27
GotD0t?02:27
stvnToGGY: I seem to remember desktops with spread panels02:27
stvndunno how though02:28
ToGGYdoesnt help me now :(02:28
stvnToGGY: tried google?02:28
chzyes...gstreamer0.8...wonderful...=)..gotta keep that in my logbook...thanks..=)02:28
LinuxJones;)02:29
ToGGYi had to break my pc desk to get dual monitords02:29
ToGGYthats hardcore02:29
GotD0thahaha02:30
ToGGYlol02:30
GotD0tToGGY my desk was bought in anticipation of a second monitor on the way02:31
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ToGGYi could run dual x02:32
ToGGY;-)02:32
ToGGYgnome on one monitor02:32
GotD0teh02:32
ToGGYthen somthing else on the other02:32
ToGGY;-)02:32
GotD0twhy02:32
TreenaksToGGY: more gnome?02:32
ToGGYI WANT GNOME PANEL TO WORK RIGHt02:33
PizbitToGGY: Kick it02:33
TreenaksToGGY: please don't shout :)02:33
ToGGYi kicked it02:33
ToGGYand it didnt work02:33
PizbitHarder02:33
GotD0twhy dont you make a new panel that acts just like an extension of the otehr one02:34
ToGGYwhen i hide it it goes to the other monitor02:35
ToGGYlol02:35
GotD0twah?02:35
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chzso...just curious...wut is everybody's most dreaded linux distro..?02:36
PizbitFedora*02:36
stvnubuntu02:37
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Pizbitstvn: 'Dreaded' not 'desired' :)02:37
chz=P...rite..!02:37
stvnPizbit: oh must have misread02:37
stvnanyway ubuntu is horrible, there's nothing to moan or bitch about :(02:38
chzyes...i cannot stand Fedora...02:38
PizbitHaha02:38
chzhaha..02:38
Treenakssuse02:38
chzbefore i found ubuntu..i was using xandros...that was pretty good....but..02:38
vasithis might sound really weird....but what would be the easiest way to get mozilla 1.6 or earlier onto my ubuntu install?02:38
Pizbitchz: Basically anything that isn't debian based and good heh02:38
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Treenaksvasi: what's wrong with a current version?02:38
chzyeah...i've come to realize recently that debian is the way to go..02:39
chzhad to learn the hard way tho...;-)02:39
vasithere's no PPC Java plugin that works on Moz >= 1.702:39
ToGGYlol02:39
Treenaksvasi: scarey02:39
stvnin a very grey past I've tried red hat, suse, slackware, mandrake but I always came back to debian, have used it as my sole OS for 4 years now, so can't really comment on any of the other distro's02:39
Pizbitchz: Likewise02:39
vasiwell, no PPC Linux Java plugin02:39
ToGGYanyone wanna see my desktop?>02:40
GotD0tis there a way to find out the bitrate of a mp3 file?02:40
ToGGYxmms02:40
chztoggy: sure02:40
chzmpg12302:40
Pizbitfile ?02:41
PizbitNot sure if it does that02:41
GotD0twav samplerate is 44100 hz right?02:41
GotD0tfor cds i ,mean02:41
sven-ericHi there - i just wanted to let you know that i solved the scp-over-nautilus issue. The problem was just, that the mount-dialog freezes if you have key-based authentication enabled. If you shh-add your keys before, everything works fine. Thanks.02:41
LinuxJonesGotD0t, ya 44 khz02:41
GotD0tk02:42
GotD0tthanks02:42
GotD0tim out02:42
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ToGGYok who wanted to see my desktop>?02:46
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Vitaminhowdy02:47
ToGGYyo02:47
Vitaminwow many people here02:47
Treenakspopular distribution ;)02:47
Vitamini heard of it today for the first time =)02:47
ToGGYyesterday was mine02:48
ToGGYwell 11pm yesterday02:49
ToGGYand now I am on it02:49
Lathiatss02:49
Vitamindid you already install it?02:49
Vitaminis the ubutu live cd a true live cd like knoppix or is it more like those debian live cd which have no x window (gui)02:49
ToGGYyeh02:50
ToGGYits installed02:50
stvnVitamin: like knoppix02:50
Vitaminah ok02:50
stvnVitamin: ubuntu is very gui minded02:50
Vitaminthats great, cause i love gui hehe02:50
stvnVitamin: than you'll love ubuntu02:50
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ToGGYyeah02:50
ToGGYubuntu is great02:51
chzyeah...i was used to kde b4 i jumped onto ubuntu..but i've learned to compensate..i actually like gnome now..=)02:51
stvnToGGY: got that screenshot posted already?02:51
ToGGYworking on it02:51
ToGGYi gotta make it sexy02:51
stvnheh02:51
Vitamini LOVE that it only has 1 cd. those other distros always come with 5 cds or so, thats too much to download02:51
stvn:)02:52
chzi agree...02:52
stvnDebian comes with a 110MB download, which is even better :)02:52
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Vitaminwho needs all those apps anyway. when i need a new mail client ill download it :)02:52
ajamebut must have internet02:52
stvnajame: true, but I must have internet as well, so it suits me02:52
|trey|stvn, Ubuntu should create Netinst discs imo... although Gnoppix is nice for maintenance...02:53
|trey|Or, I should say "Ubuntu Live CD"02:54
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ajamestvn, many ppl on dial-up same me02:55
stvnajame: yeah I know02:55
Vitaminive another question, what if i wanna install something that has those rpm files. some have rpms for suse, redhat and mandrake, which one should one take for uguntu?02:56
|trey|ajame, so maybe its not practical for you... but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be the option...02:56
cenerentolastvn: hi there02:56
vasihmm, apparently konq can do java 1.402:56
stvnhey cenerentola02:56
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TreenaksVitamin: you won't need them, as most programs are included in ubuntu's "universe"02:56
ToGGYGOD02:56
stvnVitamin: none, you need .debs, most software is already available as .debs02:57
TreenaksVitamin: you can just use synaptic02:57
|trey|vasi, umm, yeah... so can Mozilla-Firefox though, and there are less libs...02:57
thoreauputicVitamin: try to avoid rpm02:57
vasitrey, not on PPC02:57
cenerentolastvn: one question... how do you call the mat some ppl use when they eat?02:57
ToGGYok uploading02:57
|trey|vasi, its still about 150-200mb's in libs  :/02:57
stvncenerentola: eh? placemat?02:57
cenerentolai'll try02:58
Vitaminokay thanks for the infos02:58
ToGGYstvn: ready?02:58
stvnyep02:58
ToGGY:(02:58
ToGGYnew apache is out!02:58
ToGGYhttp://img42.exs.cx/img42/8622/Screenshot5.png02:58
ToGGYbe scared02:58
vasitrey, i'm using some of kde anyhow02:58
ToGGYOMG02:59
ToGGYi just relized somthing02:59
Vitaminhmm.. i think its kind of weird (stupid) that there are many many variants for installation files, they should create a standard :)02:59
ajame|trey|, would option .. will useful when i get better connection in near future03:00
stvnToGGY: what iconset do you use?03:00
thoreauputicVitamin: you are now part of the "they" to which you refer :)03:00
ToGGYOMG03:00
ToGGYgant of course03:01
Vitaminhehe they wont have fun with me, i dont know anything about linux programming ;) (only winapi)03:01
chzToGGY: i like the gnant iconset as well..;-)03:01
thoreauputicVitamin: Open source is like that - if you don't like something, "they" (ie "we") tell you to go do some coding :)03:01
VitaminLOOL what the heck is that screenshot, i have to scroll for several meters to see it all hahaha03:01
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vasithoreauputic, or pay one of us to do it :-)03:02
=== |trey| thinks, just cuz, that Ubuntu should go with what "gnome-look.org" says is the Most Popular theme... it would give more exposure to Themes perhaps too, cuz they will look there 8)
thoreauputicvasi: true, if "we" get lucky :)03:02
chzi havent really used Xchat....u guyz think thats better than the Gaim IRC..?03:02
ToGGYlol03:02
stvni prefer irssi03:03
vasii like xchat...never tried gaim for irc, wasn't even aware it COULD03:03
ToGGYdepends what mood im in03:03
ToGGYill use irssi03:03
chzyeah..i found out the first day i got ubuntu...sumbody suggested it..03:03
|trey|Like, the week of the release, whatever is #1 on there should be what is used for the distro... change it each release (only if the #1 is diff though of course)03:03
ToGGYI like eterm03:04
=== |trey| used to use irssi, but found xchat to be just of minimal after some configing :)
|trey|s/of/as/   (guess what)03:06
ToGGYwoohoo03:06
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ToGGYOOH03:06
ToGGYmusic via rythym box03:06
|trey|ToGGY, Rhythm03:07
ToGGYim liking the dual heads03:07
plovs_work|trey|, you can use both use irssi as a proxy for xchat03:07
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ToGGYi got a new screenshot!03:07
chz_on xchat03:07
chzon gaim03:08
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chz_oo..theres dcc on xchat?03:08
|trey|plovs_work, huh? but why? I usually use an x-terminal now, don't like the effects I get at top of screen when switching from vt to x03:08
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ToGGYwanna see my updated screeny?03:11
Vitamini wanna se it :)03:11
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ToGGYgotta install gftp03:12
chz_apt-get update gftp03:12
stvnhm i prefer suede over gnant, it's too fluffy for my taste03:12
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stvnsudo apt-get install gftp actually ;)03:12
chz_good one...=P03:13
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ToGGY;p;03:13
chz_has anybody been to www.kevinrose.com ?03:13
ToGGYhttp://georgedubya.info/Screenshot.png03:13
ToGGYsimple yet sleek03:13
ToGGYfirefox 1.0 rc1?03:14
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ToGGYi like it03:15
stvnToGGY: what sources did you use?03:15
ToGGYsources?03:15
stvnToGGY: or didn't you install it via apt?03:16
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ToGGYsynaptic03:16
ToGGY;-)03:16
ToGGYi said I install stuff I use alot via source03:16
stvnsame difference03:16
stvnheh I never bothered about blam because I thought you needed some fance external source,but it's just in universe ;)03:17
plovs_work|trey|, i actually like xchat, but i like irssi as well03:17
ajameToGGY, too large sreen03:17
ToGGYi need to call my isp03:17
ToGGYlol03:17
ajamescreen03:17
ToGGYdual monitors!03:17
plovs_workwhat is the command to see what process is blocking my floppydisk?03:17
stvnToGGY: I meant source as in repository aka /etc/apt/sources.list03:17
ToGGYi think universe03:17
chz_gotta finish studyin sum physics 2...test in 3 hrs...03:17
|trey|plovs_work, I like it, sure... but I never got the most out of it I guess... and just find XChat more convenient...03:17
plovs_work|trey|, and it looks really cool on irc to say you use irssi, that's what i do it for03:18
Nafalloplovs_work: lsof /dev/fd003:18
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|trey|plovs_work, I'm not out to seem "cool"  :/03:19
=== ajame wishs can to use telnet
plovs_workNafallo, *that's* it, my memory is failing already i need another tattoo03:19
Nafalloplovs_work: hehe :-)03:20
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plovs_workNafallo, thanks!03:20
ToGGYhow do I export a gpg key03:20
Lathiatgpg --export -a03:21
Lathiatthink you can throw the keyid onthe end03:21
stvnhttp://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png my rather crowded screen03:21
Nafalloplovs_work: np03:21
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ToGGYyeah03:22
altandoes anyone know how I can set the Scite fonts to be antialiased, i'm guessing I want the fonts to use the font server?03:22
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ToGGYi need to put portage on here03:23
vasialtan, i was just wondering that myself03:24
Nafallodamn I need a better connection :-P03:24
vasiif you find out, tell me :-)03:24
jolgis there a program for deb/ubuntu like checkinstall for slackware03:24
stvnjolg: what does that do?03:25
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grubermanstvn: Gah, I was hoping to see my nick in Irssi :)03:25
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jolgit runs make install but with a fakeroot and creates a slackware package03:25
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stvngruberman: aw, it had scrolled out of sight ;)03:26
grubermanstvn: Yeah right... :)03:26
stvnactually i had /ignore'd you ;)03:26
grubermanstvn: thats closer to the thruth03:27
gruberman;)03:27
altanvasi: I fixed it03:27
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altanopen global properties03:27
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altanthen scroll down to if Plat = gtk03:27
altaner, if PLAT_GTK03:27
altanthen add a ! to the beginning of each font name03:27
plovs_work|trey|, actually the main reason i use it for is to be able to use ssh and have the same session and be able to login/logout and do the same, but yes xchat is just easier to wor with, that's why i use both03:28
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altanfont.base=font:!lucidatypewriter,size:12 <--- like that03:28
grubermanstvn: what font is that?03:28
vasialtan cool, thanks!03:28
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altanvasi, also remember to start scite as sudo or edit the permissions to to /usr/share/scite/SciTEGlobal.properties03:28
Acridienhey i can't print anymore03:28
Acridienany idea03:28
AcridienI started my usb printer after the boot process03:29
dreesacridien: what's changed since you could print?03:29
stvngruberman: which one?03:29
Acridiendrees: i don't know03:29
dreesdid you remove any packages?03:29
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ToGGYlol03:30
grubermanstvn: the Irssi one03:30
Acridiendrees: no is it hot plus03:30
Acridienhotplug03:30
ToGGYim installing portage on ubuntu!03:30
ToGGYOMG03:30
stvngruberman: monospace 7pt03:30
ToGGYI INSTALLED PORTAGE ON UBUNTU!03:30
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ToGGYsorry for the caops03:30
AcridienToGGY: why don't you stay on gentoo?03:30
plovs_workstvn, nice screenshot03:30
Acridienstick with gentoo i mean03:30
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ToGGYbecause my pc didnt like it03:31
ToGGYi kept getting errors cuz i have a gig of ram03:31
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Kyaneoshi03:31
grubermanstvn: ok03:31
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AcridienToGGY: but gentoo's strengh is the optimization no?03:31
grubermanbrb03:32
ToGGYtrue03:32
ToGGYi dont understand it03:32
ToGGYit worked before03:32
ToGGYnow it doesnt03:32
Acridiendrees: don't know what happen but could it be due to the fact i started my printer after the startup03:32
NafalloAcridien: both yes and no. every upgrade the system takes more load than it earns for the optimized binary :-P.03:32
AcridienNafallo: repeat pls in other words im newbie03:33
vasiah, finally found a nice editor...anjuta03:33
ToGGYyeah03:33
AcridienNafallo: and not english03:33
ToGGYmmm portage on ubuntu!03:33
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NafalloAcridien: ehm, not english? ;-)03:34
AcridienNafallo: explain pls what you mean ?03:34
AcridienHow do i restart hotplug or any detection system for my printer ?03:35
Acridienit wont' print03:35
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Kyaneoscan i upgrade to unstable??03:36
mrjivewhere can i find kernel-source-2.6.8-1-3-386 ?03:36
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Acridienmrjive: main repository03:36
Acridienmrjive: i think03:36
mrjiveAcridien, strange...03:37
NafalloAcridien: in gentoo you compile EVERY package. compiling eats resources, more resources than you earn for that compiled program.03:37
mrjivei cannot find them there03:37
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ThreeDayMonkI found a possible solution to my problem, but I don't understand it! "I have to actually manipulate the mixer devices (/dev/mixer=output, /dev/mixer1=input) before sounds will play" - Can anyone translate it?!03:37
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Acridienmrjive: why ?03:37
mrjiveAcridien, apt-cache search kernel-source stop with 2.6.703:37
AcridienNafallo: but one is not always compiliing ?!?03:38
Nafallomrjive: linux-source-2.6.8.103:38
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Acridienmrjive: it's linux something03:38
mrjiveNafallo, uh... why such a name?03:38
Acridienmrjive: not kernel something03:38
Acridienmrjive: serach linux03:38
mrjivegood i found them...03:38
mrjivetnx a lot03:38
Acridienmrjive: your'e welcome03:38
ToGGYwow..03:38
NafalloAcridien: only when you're upgrading :-). a new revision of kde have to compile it again, and that takes time :-P.03:38
Nafallomrjive: cause it IS linux-sources?03:39
AcridienNafallo: you are a previous gentoo user isn't it ?03:39
pretzGreetings from gray, damp New Jersey. Has anyone here had any luck with a Belkin  6050 USB wireless03:39
Nafalloi.e. the sources of linux :-)03:39
mrjiveNafallo, ?03:39
NafalloAcridien: yepp03:39
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AcridienNafallo: and you wanted to change ?03:39
mrjivebut i found kernel-source-2.6.703:40
AcridienNafallo: why ubuntu03:40
mrjivewhy not linux-2.6.7?03:40
Nafallomrjive: the kernel is named linux, not kernel :-).03:40
Nafallomrjive: universe?03:40
mrjiveNafallo, ok thats good, but only starting from 2.6.8? ;)03:41
NafalloAcridien: ofcourse, I was running debian less than a week ago :-). I always get back to debian sooner or later :-).03:41
AcridienNafallo: doesn't gentoo features build packages ?03:41
ToGGYlol03:41
ToGGYits alive!03:41
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Nafallomrjive: well, your sources.list probably got more than warty main and restricted :-)03:42
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mrjiveNafallo, are they on ubuntu cd?03:42
Acridienmrjive: what do you want actually?03:43
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NafalloAcridien: yes it does, but hey, then you're binary-package-user anyway and can run a better suited package-system :-).03:43
mrjivethe kernel sources ('iv been asked about them)03:43
AcridienNafallo: lol03:44
mrjiveNafallo, good you're right :)03:44
Nafallomrjive: the kernel sources for ubuntu warty == linux-sources-2.6.8.1 :-)03:44
mrjiveNafallo, ok i found them, thanks :) are they on ubuntu cd?03:44
Acridien?!?03:44
Acridienno03:45
Nafallomrjive: they should be, seems to me everything are there :-P.03:45
Acridieni don't think so03:45
mrjiveme neither :)03:45
Nafallomrjive: though I'm not sure, running a local mirror and all ;-).03:45
mrjivei found only the headers03:45
Acridienthe cd install program create a hd repository ?03:45
mrjiveok thanks a lot :))03:45
ToGGYsys-apps/baselayout03:46
ToGGYsys-fs/devfsd03:46
ToGGYsys-kernel/linux-headers03:46
ToGGYsys-libs/pwdb03:46
ToGGYsys-libs/pam03:46
ToGGYsys-libs/pam-login03:46
ToGGYgnome-base/gdm03:46
ToGGYsys-apps/kbd03:46
ToGGYsys-devel/bin8603:46
ToGGYsys-devel/binutils03:46
ToGGYnet-misc/iputils03:46
ToGGYsys-apps/shadow03:46
ajame??03:46
ToGGYnet-misc/dhcpcd03:46
ToGGYsys-apps/modutils03:46
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LinuxJonesToGGY, stop03:46
ToGGYsys-libs/glibc03:46
ToGGYsys-devel/gcc03:46
ToGGYsys-libs/ncurses03:46
ToGGYsys-apps/cronbase03:46
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ToGGYx11-base/opengl-update03:46
gruberman_pastebin?03:46
ToGGYnet-mail/mailbase03:46
ToGGYnet-www/epiphany03:46
ToGGYnet-nds/portmap03:46
Vitaminok i have one final question, can i install ubuntulinux exclusively on the hde drive? (slave drive on 2nd ide)03:46
ToGGYnet-fs/samba03:46
ToGGYdev-lang/python03:46
ToGGYsys-fs/e2fsprogs03:46
ToGGYcrap03:46
ToGGYvery very sorry about that guys03:46
fabbioneToGGY: stop flooding the channel03:46
gruberman_stop!03:46
ToGGYthat was supposed to go into console03:46
LinuxJonesFlooders whould be kicked :)03:46
LinuxJoneserr should03:47
stvnVitamin: yes03:47
ToGGYi didnt mean to :(03:47
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AcridienLinuxJones: hello03:47
Vitaminthanks stvn i ll install it then, hehehehe ow man alrighty, ADIOS!03:47
LinuxJonesAcridien, hi03:47
AcridienLinuxJones: i have same problem with my printer03:47
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NafalloI run a modified anonftpsync from debian to sync ubuntu warty main restricted with rsync :-)03:47
AcridienLinuxJones: what is the name of the printer group03:47
AcridienLinuxJones: i m not sure if it's due to the same issue than yesterday03:47
AcridienLinuxJones: i started it after the boot process03:48
Nafalloif I had better connection I would buy a bigger drive, mirror all of ubuntu and go public :-P.03:48
NafalloLinuxJones: hi there btw :-)03:48
LinuxJonesAcridien, I think it's lp03:48
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LinuxJonesNafallo, hiya :)03:48
ToGGYsweet i got portage on ubuntu03:49
NafalloAcridien: 107(lpadmin)03:49
AcridienLinuxJones: pladmin ?03:49
Acridienlpadmin?03:49
AcridienNafallo: oki tx03:49
LinuxJonesAcridien, ya that 's it03:49
NafalloToGGY: yea yea, I dist-upgraded deb sarge to ubu warty yesterday :-P.03:50
gruberman_Nafallo: Get bbb 100mbit? ;)03:50
AcridienLinuxJones: well i belong to ...seems the printer hasn't been plugged in03:50
AcridienLinuxJones: i mean handled by ubuntu03:50
LinuxJonesAcridien, your on printer port or usb ?03:50
Nafallogruberman_: can't :-/. my only bet is ADSL 2Mbit.03:50
AcridienLinuxJones: usb03:50
gruberman_Nafallo: k03:51
Nafallogruberman_: my KC ain't upgraded :-/03:51
ToGGYhow do I upgrade to hoary03:51
LinuxJonesAcridien, unplug the printer and plug it back in03:51
gruberman_Nafallo: KC?03:51
topyliToGGY: warty too old for you? ;)03:52
NafalloToGGY: # cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/warty/hoary/g | echo > /etc/apt/sources.list03:52
Nafallogruberman_: koncentratorstation03:52
NafalloToGGY: and then apt-get dist-upgrade03:52
AcridienLinuxJones: no reaction when i told it to print from firefox03:53
gruberman_Nafallo: ok...03:53
NafalloAcridien: plugdev?03:53
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NafalloAcridien: id > $IRC ;-)03:53
ToGGYNafallo: now i have nothing in my sources.list03:54
AcridienNafallo: ??03:54
LinuxJonesAcridien, printing from firefox doesn't work without some work first. You can print from other gnome apps tho ?03:54
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AcridienLinuxJones: I m gonna try03:55
LinuxJonesAcridien, you can print a test page from the printer config app03:55
NafalloAcridien: nm03:56
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LinuxJonesAcridien, I have to zip off to the hospital to visit my mom. GL03:57
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elwoodhi all03:58
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AcridienLinuxJones: see you tx04:00
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kapputuubuntu, ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu04:01
kappututhree cheers for ubuntu04:02
Nafallohmm, to mirror the whole of ubuntu... how much diskspace is needed?04:02
kapputuhi Nafallo, good morning04:03
Nafalloright now the mirrordisk is 4G :-P04:03
Nafallokapputu: hi there!04:03
jamaasHow can I mount a scsi device that is present in /proc/scsi ???? Thanks  :)04:03
mrjivehow is the installed kernel called?04:03
Nafallomrjive: linux-image-*04:03
kapputuok listen04:03
kapputuI din't have my wireless card configured under Ubuntu after the reinstall04:04
kapputuso I went to Windows04:04
mrjiveNafallo, tnx04:04
Nafallomrjive: np04:04
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kapputuand man would you believe it, some crappy application failed and my system shut itself down04:04
kapputusome lsass.exe04:04
Nafallokapputu: LOL04:04
Nafallokapputu: you gotta love windows :-P04:04
kappututhe next thing I did was download the acx100 driver and configure my wireless card in Ubuntu04:05
kapputuit's days on my laptop are short-lived04:05
Nafalloehm, acx are included in linux-image-*?04:05
kapputudo you have to pay for vmware ?04:05
Nafallokapputu: yes04:05
kapputubut neede to install firmware04:05
kapputumy card was detected as ACX11104:06
Nafallokapputu: yepp, tell me the URL when you find it :-)04:06
Nafallokapputu: Netgear WG311?04:06
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kapputuno, USR 541004:06
kapputugo to google and type Craig acx10004:07
kapputuit's the first link04:07
Nafallokapputu: ahh, I do have a WG311 _rev. 2_ with that chipset :-/.04:07
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cahwow. nice channel. If anyone of the ubuntu developers are here, I would just like to say thanks for such an amazingly slick debian distro.04:07
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cahI've tried xadnros, libranet, mepis, debian, knoppix, bonzai and a whole host of others, but ubuntu is the first that beats debian hands down for ease and speed. well done!04:08
caheverything was up an running perfectly in 10mins.04:08
gruberman_cah: I really like it too. I used Arch Linux before.04:09
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cahI personally couldn't get arch to install and work.04:09
ayuerwhy cheers, what's the sell point of ubuntu???04:10
AcridienLinuxJones: I had to set up a new printer it's ok now :-) , quite normal since I forget to plug it during the ubuntu installation04:10
cahIt is definitely better than progeny too. sell point?04:10
Acridiencah: plus it boots rather fast04:12
cahyes, it's better than the fedora based ones becuase it never probes my sil SATA raid either which all of them do until you use noprobe04:12
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cahI love it (and debian).04:12
ToGGYYAYA I upgraded!04:12
cahI'm so glad I persevered becuase when I tried a release candidate the installation hung on libc6 despite verifying the CD.04:12
cahI'm not sold completely on gnome yet. I preferred older gnomes.04:13
jolgIs there a tutorial or HOWTO on building a debian package from .tar.gz04:14
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=== Acridien thinks that Gnome needs a new iconset as default
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ayuerbetter fit in laptop? maybe a little scary to run gentoo on those small ones04:16
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cahjolg: isn't there a build option with apt-get as in -b or something?04:16
cahwhy does gnome need a new iconset? then04:16
jolgdon't you need a debian sourcefile to do that?04:16
cah(although I don't like it much either atm)04:16
cahThis should help: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html04:17
Acridiencah: i don't like the default one either with ubuntu or fedora04:17
AcridienWho has set d3a iconset and gtk2 theme ?04:18
ToGGYi just upgraded my ubuntu04:18
cahyep --> that's why I use lorma when I want to try out fedora --> their kde is lovely (IMO since it's so subjective)04:19
Acridiend3a is innovative04:19
Acridiend3a look at the dr icons04:19
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gruberman_Anyone who wants to recommend an icon set?04:20
Acridiengruberman_: what do you use ?04:20
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gruberman_standard04:21
Acridiengruberman_: shrugs04:21
Acridiengruberman_: it's awful04:21
Acridiengruberman_: it looks like a draw04:22
gruberman_Acridien: And you recommend? :)04:22
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Acridiengruberman_: d3a mostly04:23
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ToGGYGOD I LOVe04:23
Acridiengruberman_: but it needs to be extended04:23
ToGGYGod I love cd-rw's04:23
ToGGYYou can install so many disto's in one day04:23
cahis this the iconset Acridien ? http://tinyurl.com/3pd7q04:23
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Acridiencah: yup what do you think?04:24
cahI think it's very slick actually....not quite my favourite, but better than default04:25
kensaiI have installed qt3-designer now I don't know how to start it.04:25
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cahI still don't particularly overwhelmingly like gnome though04:25
callistois there somewhere a own chan for ppc?04:25
Acridiencah: c u I quit04:26
cahI don't think so. but ppc or x86 should be close enough.04:26
kentkensai, menu->programming?04:26
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cahbye Acridien.04:26
ToGGYi think imma try a new distro!04:26
kensainope there are no entries04:26
Mooperwhats up Toggy?04:26
cahToGGY: do what I did: freebsd + lorma + ubuntu + gentoo (plus win xp - sorry). :)04:27
cahthat should keep you occupied04:27
kensaithats what I get for installing kde programs in gnome ;)04:27
callistoI want install ubuntu on a powerpc g304:27
ToGGYi like sourced based04:27
cahcallisto: it should be fine. I installed ubuntu onto a G4 ibook 933 -- most of it is the same.04:27
cahit should be fine04:27
MooperI'm not big into Gnome either, but man, ubuntu + Gnome 2.8 is not all bad04:27
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callistobut on the powerpc g3 i get always a kernel panic, after reboot04:28
kensaiso nobody uses qt3-designer?04:28
cahok. I can't really help there. what type of panic? kernel fails, or FS type, or no partition found?04:28
callistoso I want know if there is somewhere a new kernel04:28
MooperSarge is gonna have to be hell good to drag me back to standard debian04:28
cahnot if you are installing the 4.10 final04:28
callistoI use the final04:29
cahMooper: it will never happen. ubuntu is so much better+easier than debian it would take a massive change in sarge to move anyone.04:29
NafalloMooper: well, just dist-upgrade when needed ;-).04:29
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Mooperonly trouble i found with final + multiboot is that grub don't ask to get put into mbr04:29
cahyes - but just do /dev/hda or /dev/ida/sc0d004:29
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Nafallocah: that depends... I would think debian sarge kicks out ubuntu on my server when released :-)04:30
callistocah: can i delete the apple partitions on my harddisk?04:30
MooperNafallo, ya, maybe.  I've not played with Ubuntu 'server' (custom) install yet04:30
Nafallocah: even though ubuntu kicked sarge out yesterday ;-). there are still to much updates going on in sarge :-P.04:31
cah* sorry, just realised i meant /dev/ida/c0d0 above04:31
cahcallisto: yep, then if you want just re-install OSX back over it.04:31
NafalloMooper: not me either, I changed my sources.list and used aptitude to migrate :-).04:32
cahNafallo: maybe......but then again, my server is happily running on a cross between sarge and woody :S04:32
cahI am leaving my server alone, just messing with the desktop04:32
Nafallocah: hmm, I want to do that to. but damn, woody is way old now :-P.04:33
Mooperme too, just messing with the desktop right now, but might play with the custom install and see how it shapes up as a server this weekend04:33
callistocah: do I need a own boot part?04:33
cahyeah, but it works nicely with my smart3 raid card04:33
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Nafallocah: haven't got all servers I need. if any :-P.04:33
cahit's one of the few distros that installs from the cd.04:33
cahhehe.04:34
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cahcallisto: you can mark the ubuntu partition bootable if you want and just install the boot loader to that.04:35
kensaiis kde usable in ubuntu?04:35
stvnkensai: yes04:35
cahkensai: I would assume so (I've only been using ubuntu for a few hours) but you have to uncommen universe I think04:35
Lathiatjdub: about?04:35
cah*uncomment04:35
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stvnLathiat: haven't seen him04:36
Lathiatyeh well its 12:36am there so i assumedhe probably wasnt about04:36
kensaiThanks, Is that I need to be running qt3-designer and in gnome I can't make it run I think.04:36
cahnot bad neuro. lucky I have a 100mbps line ;-) (there's always someone with one bigger)04:36
callistocah: do i not need a Apple Bootstrap part and a Aplle partition map part for ubuntu?04:36
Lathiatcah: i got access to a box on gig, does that count? :)04:36
cah:)04:37
neuro|laptopcah: well we have multiple gigabit out of this building, but 100 meg at the transit point :)04:37
Lathiatheh04:37
kensainahhh better not I don't want to mess ubuntu with KDE04:37
cahwhere are you neuro if you don't mind me asking? the IP smells of the UK, but we all know that in the UK 256kbps is usually the most ;-)04:37
kensaiit is beautifull with gnome04:38
Lathiatcah: haha04:38
cahkensai: but the install is so painless you can afford to mess it up once or twice.04:38
MooperAnyone know if there is any non Debian software in Ubuntu?  I've got a bunch of sparcs here running Woody...I wonder if I can build up an Ubuntu on any of them by using Debian Sid and fiddling/tweaking all the nobs+whistles (seeing as how there is no ubuntu sparc dist)04:38
Lathiatand haha again :P04:38
LathiatMooper: Well theres no sparc builts for ubuntu afaik?04:38
Lathiat*builds04:38
neuro|laptopcah: sitting in a datacentre04:39
callistowhere is the openfimware stored?04:39
kensaiI just need to install a kde based distro in my other HDD04:39
Mooperya I know, but if ubuntu is _all_ Debian I could roll my own, just copy icons+wallpaper etc04:39
Lathiatanyone here playing with polypaudio?04:39
callistonot in a part on my hd, or?04:39
kensaiso Ubuntu stays at my primary04:39
cahtypical. so datacentres or unis or hospitals are the only ones who get decent connections.04:39
neuro|laptopno04:39
neuro|laptopthere's more connectivity in the UK beyond BT ADSL04:39
cahneuro: you don't work for BT do you?04:39
neuro|laptopnope04:39
cahphew04:40
neuro|laptopi.e. ADSL via LLU, leased lines, BT SDSL, LLU SDSL, LES, etc04:40
cah'cos I just realised that my 217.37 number is BT and yours is quite close04:40
neuro|laptopcah: do a whois on it and you'll see where i am :>04:40
cahneuro: yes, I know that, but how many people can afford it?04:40
neuro|laptopcan afford what04:41
cahdecent internet lines.04:42
neuro|laptopthey're not that expensive04:42
neuro|laptopok, ours was, but that was different :>04:42
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cahok maybe now. 8mbps is 3500 a year from easynet. Leased lines are still very expensive (tens of thousands a year), and SDSL is still very expensive04:43
neuro|laptopthree and a half grand for an 8 meg line is cheap as hell04:44
neuro|laptopour fibre was *cough*thousand04:44
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cahthe only problem with the 8mbps one is I think you have to be right near their London exchange.04:45
kapputuhullo all04:45
kapputudoes ubuntu go into hibernation sorta mode on laptops ?04:46
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Nafallohmm04:47
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dobhi04:47
cahkapputo: I think there is a special laptop power saving package in apt. that might do what you want?04:47
Nafallomy server is going to run ubuntu warty and debian woody :-)04:47
kapputucah, name ?04:47
cahNafallo: sounds good.04:47
g3r4rd0someone knows why monodevelop doesn't show up when i do an apt-cache search monodevelop, i've got main,restricted,universe and multiverse in my sources.list04:47
Strissdoes anybody know if its possible to run Starcraft without WINE?04:47
kapputumine too Nafallo04:47
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Nafallokapputu: it doesn't. you have to tweak your config :-)04:47
kapputuhow ?04:48
cahStriss: I strongly doubt it.04:48
Strissdoh...I'm on a mac so i doubt I can install wine04:48
cah.....unless you are running windows :-O04:48
kapputuarghh, I need to go to the men's room04:48
Nafallowhen sarge get's stable I would probably run that instead though :-P.04:48
kapputuno windows for me anymore04:48
kapputuno windows, when the doors have been thrown wide open04:48
kapputu:-)04:48
kappututhe poet in me ....04:49
cahkapputu: sadly universities who know better still insist on using novell+windows, so you can't escape entirely :)04:49
kentg3r4rd0, have you run apt-get update?04:49
kapputunot mine04:49
gruberman_g3r4rd0: I can't find it in synaptic either04:49
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g3r4rd0kent, yes04:49
kapputuone of our cybraries run RH linux exclusively04:49
kapputuno dual boot04:50
kappututhat's the way to start04:50
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caheven the clients? the servers here use openbsd...but the clients are all win.04:50
cah:(04:50
g3r4rd0gruberman_, it is in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/monodevelop04:51
kapputuoh yeah the clients04:51
g3r4rd0gruberman_, but apt-cache doesn't find it :S04:51
dobat the boot i get an error about hotplut, it is an "Operation not permitted" on some modules. it is normal ?04:51
cah:( I have to log into the clients and use putty to regain sanity.04:51
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Tuxmanhello04:52
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jolgwhohoo now i've built my first debian package =)04:52
cahbye all.04:52
enablmake04:52
enablack04:52
gruberman_g3r4rd0: what's the difference between that and mono? is the mono package only the run time env?04:52
neuro|laptopmake: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.04:52
Nafallohmm04:53
kapputuwhich dir ?04:53
Nafalloonly missing sasl2-bin now :-P04:53
kapputuls Makefile04:53
kapputuhi Nafallo, how do I tweak power-saving04:53
g3r4rd0gruberman_, exactly, monodevelop is an IDE04:53
Nafallokapputu: well, I've never tried to use hibernation :-)04:53
kapputulol04:53
Nafallokapputu: google? :-)04:53
kapputunot much use04:55
kapputumy bladder is full04:55
kapputubrb04:55
kapputubye04:55
gruberman_g3r4rd0: I remember the time when you just fired up your c-64 and hacked away in basic ;)04:56
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g3r4rd0gruberman_, hehehe yeah, i had a radio shack trs8something04:56
g3r4rd0gruberman_, i really don't use monodevelop, i use vi, i just found that weird04:57
gruberman_g3r4rd0: why do you use mono/.NET?04:57
g3r4rd0gruberman_, i mean that monodevelop doesn't show up when i search for it04:57
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callistoDoes someone know how I can copy the kernel from the install cd to my harddisk?04:58
gruberman_g3r4rd0: I was more thinking why mono instead of Java or something like that04:59
g3r4rd0gruberman_, i need to develop cross-platform apps, c# is, for me, more powerful than java04:59
g3r4rd0gruberman_, i really like java, but c# is better04:59
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gruberman_g3r4rd0: Ok05:00
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g3r4rd0gruberman_, do you develop apps or something??05:03
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gruberman_g3r4rd0: not really. I tinker with lots of stuff. downloaded c# express beta to my xp box and I played around a little05:04
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mbselv0yo05:04
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g3r4rd0gruberman_, ok05:04
Brittanyone using a dell 700m? Trying to help dubug a friend's setup05:05
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mwh_Hi, I was wondering how I can install the development libs/headers for wireless-tools05:06
mwh_and also what is the differencen between the universe repository and a debian repository?05:07
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gruberman_g3r4rd0: But I'll probably go with python on my linux box05:07
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mwh_im looking to install NetworkManager, and I know there is a debian package for it, but when I search with synaptic and have the universe repository enabled I cant find it :(05:08
g3r4rd0gruberman_, python is good, ubuntu is full of it hehe05:08
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mwh_oh I found a faq to install it05:08
mwh_http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/05:08
gruberman_g3r4rd0: Yeah, and it's easy to be productive in it. Just starting out and i don't have to plow through 435 tutorials ;)05:10
g3r4rd0gruberman_, hehehe cool05:10
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gruberman_g3r4rd0: It might not be the fastest language, but I'm not competing with J Carmack's 3D-engine :)05:12
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bwlangBritt: i don't have that system  - but what's your problem?05:15
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optimus<-- Just installed ubuntu05:16
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optimusI downloaded ubuntu before the "official release". Is there a way to upgrade w/o redownloading?05:17
stvnoptimus: congr.05:17
Lathiatoptimus: just update and upgradein synaptic05:18
stvnoptimus: openup synaptic, reload, mark all upgrades, apply05:18
cenerentolalathiat: halo my friend05:18
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LathiatDo I know you?05:18
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mbselv0bwlang, hey :) I think we've narrowed it down to HAL05:19
mbselv0bwlang, can you specify to not load hal via a custom-expert install?05:19
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bwlangmbselv0: sorry - i don't know...05:20
mbselv0bwlang, no problemo05:20
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cenerentolalathiat: its seems not05:21
cenerentola...it doesnt seem so05:21
Lathiatmayybe i helped you another time or whatever, i dont remember peoples nicknames :)05:21
vinsciis there a browsable package list for warty on the web?05:21
stvnLathiat: however you remember their real names? ;)05:21
Lathiatstvn: Yeh thats cause im stalk... err umm i mean no...05:21
stvn:)05:22
Lathiatmanim so bored05:22
Lathiatgiven up on avahi for tonight05:22
cenerentolaohh cmon you have an old toshiba05:22
Lathiatcenerentola: ahright now i remembertalking to you05:22
Lathiatman i think my space bars slightly fscked05:22
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kapputuhi all05:24
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optimushas anyone been able to get a linksys wireless notebook adapter to work under ubuntu, or just linux for that matter?05:25
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Lathiatoptimus: try google05:26
optimusgood idea, sometimes i forget to practice what i preach :)05:29
Lathiathaha05:30
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htpcI have a K-World tuner, and the tuner module just says KWorld, I cant find it in CARDLIST.tuner :\05:33
htpcAnyone?05:33
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mbselv0what init.d script handles hal?05:34
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mbselv0sorry ... anyone?05:36
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LathiatIt's started by dbus05:37
Lathiatafaik05:37
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nabhello05:42
mbselv0Lathiat, ok ... the problem is I need to uninclude dbus/hal from the install process05:42
nabcan you help me? i wanna have more than 60hz but the ubuntu faq say i must install the fglrx-driver. but qhat about the ati driver on the ati homepgae? shouldnt i install that one?05:43
optimuswhat vid card do you have exactly?05:43
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nabi have the ati radon 9800 pro05:44
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optimusgood question, because my radeon mobility 7500 is running at 61Hz at 1024x76805:47
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nab:(05:48
cardadornab: have you checked the ubuntu wiki?05:49
unpersonHow do I access power management features for my laptop in Ubuntu, like suspend?05:49
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unpersonI'm more familiar with KDE, where you can do this through klaptop.05:49
nabcardador, i checked the faq05:49
optimusunperson: did you check the screensaver, advanced settings?05:49
cardadornab: check the binary drivers howto05:50
nabyes thats that fglrx drivet hing05:50
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cardadornab: so install it!05:50
ulisseHi folks!05:51
nabmy question was if i should use that or the original ati.com driver :P05:51
nabso you say i should use fglrx, okay05:51
cardadornab: that one05:51
cardadornab: use synaptic to install it05:51
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unpersonoptimus, I had not, but I see them now.  However, I was wondering if there is a way to cause the system to go to suspend or standby immediately.  Like say if I have to put it down and go do something and I want to conserv energy.05:52
ulisseHow can I change the NTP timeout at startup?05:52
ulisseI mean if there is no internet connection...05:53
cardadornab: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto05:53
ulissenobody knows?05:54
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vinsciulisse, the startup scripts in general should be fixed to recognice the situation when no net connection is available, and act accordingly05:54
ulisseand what should I do, exactly?05:55
nabcardador, the synaptic tells me that fglrx-control (panel) would be for qt3, can i install it even if im using gnome?05:55
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vinsciulisse, file a bug report/wishlist item05:56
optimusunperson, sorry I am still a noob myself05:56
ulisseok... I have another question, not strictly about Ubuntu:05:56
unpersonno prob, thanks for trying.  :-)  I think it's a general gnome question, so I'll check some other channels.05:57
ulisseWhich arguments I have to pass to CP to copy exactly one partition files into another?05:57
cardadornab: i guess so05:57
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ulissecp -??? /mnt/part1 /mnt/part205:57
ulissewhat in place of the ???05:57
unpersonulisse, -r?05:58
cardadornab: but you only need fglrx-driver05:58
ulisseonly -r?05:58
vinsciulisse, "cp -pr" preserve flags, recursive05:58
unpersonI mean that will recursively copy all files.05:58
ulisseok, thanks05:58
unpersonYou might also want to preserve permissions?  Nah, I'm thinking of tar....let me check out the man page.05:58
nabokay!05:58
mrjiveulisse, cp -rp05:59
vinsciulisse, without -p, file ownership, mode and timestamp all changes05:59
vlad1heya folks, question.. just did an ubuntu install on a laptop with a intel centrino 2100 wireless card.. it worked fine for the install, but upon reboot it can't load the ipw2100 driver successfully05:59
mrjiveso it preservs permisions05:59
ulissegrazie05:59
ulissethanks05:59
unpersonulisse, I think you want -a (or --archive).05:59
unpersonulisse, That is the same as -dpR06:00
vinsciulisse, unperson is right06:00
vlad1any known problems with ipw2100 in ubuntu?06:00
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unpersonit will preserve permissions, it will copy softlinks as softlinks, and it will do recursively.06:00
ulisseI have to copy a fat32 partition from HDA to HDB (and then format HDA)06:02
mrjivefat won't keep permissionsi think06:02
mrjive*permissions06:02
ulisseno problems, are all windows files...06:02
ulisseSadly, I have to reinstall windows on my PC :-(06:03
mrjive:P06:03
unpersonulisse, Oh.  I don't have experience with that.  It might be weird because of course the permissions structure is somewhat different in windows.  It might work, but I'm not sure.06:03
htpcAnyone?06:03
htpcI have a K-World tuner, and the tuner module just says KWorld, I cant find it in CARDLIST.tuner :\06:03
ulisseI think in windows permissions are only on ntfs partitions, not fat3206:03
unpersonulisse, How come? (There are lots of possible reasons, just wondering)06:03
htpcthere are no file permissions on fat3206:04
unpersonWell, files still have some attributes like being hidden, etc.06:04
ulisseunperson What do you mean with "how come"?06:04
unperson..or at least they used to back in the day.  Like I say, I haven't messed with it much.06:04
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mrjiveulisse, how come = come mai (credo)06:05
unpersonulisse, Oh, I just mean, what do you need Windows for?  Required for work?06:05
htpcYea you can still use those attributes on fat32 and ntfs with the Attrib command06:05
htpcWindows doesnt show anything except hidden and read-only in file properties now.06:05
ulisseYes, I have to do something in Flash for a friend06:05
unpersonah06:05
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ulisseand under Wine, flash is only working at 70%06:06
Kyaneosis there any channel for ubuntu development???06:06
htpc#ubuntu-dev I would guess.06:06
Kyaneosnot06:06
Mithrandir#ubuntu-devel, why?06:06
htpcNo idea.06:06
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Kyaneosthis is06:07
Kyaneosthx all06:07
ulisseGood bye!06:07
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nabill reboot, cya!06:11
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Poyayanwho here uses the nvidia module?06:11
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SmokingFirePoyayan: I do06:12
Poyayanmy frame rate for glxgears goes down when I turn of dri and glcore and turn on NvAGP06:12
SmokingFirePoyayan: talking about graphs?06:12
Poyayanno just performance06:13
Poyayanthe nvidia readme tells me to turn glcore and dri off but it worsens the performance06:13
SmokingFireOk, maybe you where talking about nforce chipset/audio or networking as I just used the standard for that06:13
Poyayanand if glcore and dri is on turning NvAGP on worsens performance as well06:14
plasmoi turned off glcore and dri06:14
SmokingFirePoyayan: I havn't tried optimizing my settings06:14
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SmokingFirePoyayan: I tried once the nologo option the readme tells me that made x-server give me errors.06:14
cenerentolahello06:14
Poyayando I set NvAGP to 1 or ?06:14
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SmokingFireBTW all: I think this should be included with Ubuntu: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg (bootmanager)06:15
Poyayanreally? that's weird06:15
cenerentolastvn: do you know how i could run tiscali netphone under linux?06:15
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SmokingFirePoyayan: you have the nologo option enabled?06:15
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Poyayanyeah06:16
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SmokingFireok, then I did something wrong, why can't be just by default (sigh)06:16
PoyayanOption "NoLogo" "true"06:16
Poyayanor "True"06:16
Poyayanwhichever you prefer06:16
SmokingFirePoyayan: also if you want to get the most out of your graphs card, some weeks ago on this about disabling the vrefresh rate. Someone can perhaps explain.06:17
SmokingFireabout - channel06:17
Poyayanbrb06:18
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nosilver4uanyone have any idea why my network transfers would be so slow in ubuntu?06:24
izip6?06:24
nosilver4unope, 406:24
izdns okay?06:25
nosilver4ui always got around 10 MB/s with gentoo, and i can't get higher than 1 MB/s with ubuntu06:25
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izhuh06:25
nosilver4uit's all internal stuff06:25
izthats weird06:25
nosilver4ui know06:25
nosilver4ui was wondering if maybe ubuntu has a throttle that keeps it from maxing out your system or something like that06:26
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izi dont think so i get no problems06:26
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kensaiI can't seem to figure out how to open qt3-designer in gnome with Ubuntu06:27
kensaiI've been searching for about half an hour06:27
kensaiqt3: /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/include/qt3 /usr/share/qt306:28
izsudo ./qt306:28
kensaiiz: no such file or folder06:28
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nimcis it possible to add/delete items in the applications / computer menu in the panel ?06:29
vlad1which apt repo has more bleeding edge bits than what's in warty?  I see dsc files for ipw2100 0.55 in pool/multiverse, but can't find a ipw2100 package anywhere06:29
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izuic-qt306:30
kensaiin part says06:30
kensaiQt user interface compiler.06:30
kensaiUsage: uic-qt3  [options]  [mode]  <uifile>06:30
kensaiso I assume it is correctly installed06:30
altannimc, applications:/// in Nautilus06:31
nimchmm where is nautilus ?06:31
altannautilus is the file browser06:31
nimcah06:32
altanopen any folder and put that in the location bar06:32
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kensaiBut how do I open the qt3 GUI?06:32
nimcok i did06:32
nosilver4uiz: don't suppose it could be because it's on reiserfs, eh?06:32
nimcaltan, i see... that works for the application menu...... is there something for the computer menu too ?06:33
altanlet me check06:34
nimcthanks06:34
callistowhat have I to install that I can make a "make menuconfig" for kernel 2.6 ?06:34
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callistooh, sorry my mistake, I forgot to install gcc :)06:35
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altannimc, preferences:///06:38
schifoive been trying to setup Kismet and airsnort on ubuntu w/ an orinoco card and i have reached the point where i am supposed to patch my driver - but im not too sure what would be the best way to go about this? I have the patch but am lost on how to proceed06:38
nimccool... thats for the computer/prefs06:38
nimci wanted to remove some stuff from computer itself though....06:39
altantry google a bit, I have to go now :(06:39
nimcok:)06:39
justdaveok, this may have been stupid to attempt this early, but since hoary is supposedly getting synced with sid right now, I attempted to upgrade my sid machine to hoary...06:41
justdavefor the most part it seems to have gone pretty smooth so far...06:41
justdaveexcept that ubuntu-desktop is claiming it can't install because it depends on 'lsb' but there's no lsb package.06:42
justdaveit appears to have been replaced by lsb-base, but I'm having trouble convincing it of that.06:42
callistowhat do I need to make a "make menuconfig" for kernel 2.6?06:42
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|trey|justdave, keep the ubuntu source too... might as well  :/06:42
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Poyayanncurses is needed06:43
Poyayanas well as gcc06:43
justdavenot being a expert on apt, anyone know how to convince it that lsb exists, or that it doesn't need it?06:43
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gruberman_gah...06:43
Poyayanlsb exists06:44
Poyayanas does lsb-base06:44
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|trey|justdave, dpkg in #debian-bots knows  :)  /msg dpkg hold06:44
Poyayanand lsb-release06:44
kensaiwhich is the latest kde available for ubuntu?06:44
Poyayandave are you using apt-get or synaptic package manager?06:44
|trey|kensai, technically 3.3.3... the one thats in Sid...06:45
PoyayanI don't think ubuntu has kde kensai06:45
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Poyayanbut you can get it from Sid like trey said06:45
kensaihow can I add the apt source to get this kde?06:45
|trey|Poyayan, it does, but its not supported  :/06:45
Poyayanindeed06:45
kensaiI want to add the source.list for everything in debian06:45
justdavePoyayan: apt-get at the moment.06:45
gruberman_apache is running, I placed the php-file in /var/www/apache2-default but it doesn't work. Any ideas?06:45
|trey|kensai, check the source that says "universe"06:46
justdaveI shut down gdm because I figured installing all the desktop stuff while it was running might confuse it06:46
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callistoPoyayan: what from ncurses I need exactly?06:46
kensaiis ubuntu totally compatible with debian?06:46
|trey|callisto, libncurses5-dev I think... build-essential ought to be installed...06:47
Poyayanyou know I don't know callisto06:47
thoreauputickensai: no, you risk problems06:47
schifoguys, can i download the kernel source from synaptic ?06:47
Poyayanjust install base first06:47
Poyayanthen try06:47
|trey|kensai, thats the goal kinda yeah... they are DD's getting paid  :)06:47
Poyayanjustdave do you not have gui at all?06:47
kensaiok latest kde I get is 3.1.206:47
justdavePoyayan: it's there, I can run it again if it's easier to do from synaptic.  I usually use synaptic pretty exclusively.06:48
|trey|kensai, but they are syncing with Sid... which has 3.3.3 ...06:48
callisto|trey|: thx, that was ist06:48
kensaitrey: didn't understand what you tried to say with DD06:48
schifoguys, can i download the kernel source from synaptic ? if so, what is the package called06:48
Poyayanyeah synaptic is generally easier to deal with06:48
kensaiso how do I put the address to sid in sources.list? whixh is the address?06:48
|trey|Poyayan, its easier to explain kinda  :/06:48
Poyayanyeah06:49
WWschifo: Yes, you can, but I'm not sure what the package name is.  Maybe search for "kernel source"?06:49
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|trey|kensai, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html06:49
justdavelinux-source-2.6.8.1-306:49
thoreauputic|trey|: sid doesn't have kde 3.306:49
Poyayanapt-get is kinda annoying if you don't know the package name06:49
spivPoyayan: apt-cache search "xxx" :)06:49
schifoWW, did, kernel source 2.6.8.1-3-386 is not listed in synaptic06:49
thoreauputic|trey|: apt-cache policy shows 3.1.206:50
|trey|thoreauputic, Umm, it did before Ubuntu came out...06:50
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Poyayanlol forgot about that spiv06:50
thoreauputic|trey|: no, sid has never had 3.306:50
justdaveshifo: linux-source-2.6.8.1-306:50
PoyayanI'm new to debian so it'll take me a little to remember all the commands06:50
justdaveschifo: sorry on spelling, see above06:50
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|trey|calc, cough hello cough *poke*06:51
Poyayanah crap gotta go06:51
|trey|thoreauputic, what does this say?  http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdebase&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all06:52
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|trey|thoreauputic, kde-core is versioned differently... :/06:52
kensaiit is seducing me to have hoary instead of wrty06:54
Evasohi what about madwifi drivers support?06:54
kensaiwarty*06:54
thoreauputic|trey|: I just checked with apt-cache policy - I'm confused now as in #debian they were also saying 3.3 wasn't in sid06:54
swiftyI have some problem using my wlan nic (dlink dwl-520+). Ubuntu has the acx100 module and the firmware i need. Tried to get an ip from dhcp, but it does't work, set ip mannually did't work either. dhcp works fine in windows. tip?06:54
|trey|thoreauputic, ok, well I haven't used it in a while... I used it when it first got into Sid though... with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt...06:55
schifoguys, i just got the kernel source from synaptic and it installed it, can anyone tell me where it resides ?06:56
thoreauputic|trey|: sudo apt-get -t unstable install kde   returns "already the latest version" and apt-cache policy says 3.1.2  ... ??06:56
|trey|schifo, dpkg -L pkg is your new friend...06:57
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|trey|thoreauputic, ugh @ you... kde-core is not versioned the same... try kdebase or kdelibs etc... it just hasn't been upgraded cuz its the same...06:58
|trey|kdebase kdelibs arts06:59
schifogreat job trey06:59
cenerentolawhich is better gcombust or xcdroast?06:59
|trey|Being told you are wrong when you correct is annoying  :(06:59
SuperL4gtseng: ping07:00
|trey|cenerentola, I've heard good things about gcombust... not looked at the other...07:00
cenerentola|trey|: thx07:00
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schifotrey, theres a linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ is this what i downloaded? if so, why didnt synaptic uncompress it07:01
cenerentolaother opinions... let me say it once...07:01
cenerentola...twice07:01
cenerentola...sold..07:01
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cenerentolak3b is kd..pff07:01
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toggy_winlol07:01
|trey|schifo, kernel-package... but man tar though I guess  :/07:02
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toggy_winim installing gentoo!07:02
|trey|toggy_win, have fun.07:02
toggy_winits not that bad :-\07:02
bwlangcenerentola: i think k3b is not kde - it's qt... works nice.07:02
justdaveschifo: tar xfj linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz207:02
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cenerentolabwlang: you think or youre sure... aint qt the base gui language for kde?07:03
schifodoing it now07:03
|trey|bwlang, thats like saying windows isn't microsoft  :/  one of the Top guys at Trolltech is the creator of KDE...07:03
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bwlangcenerentola: qt is the tool kie that kde uses... but others can use the same toolkit and not use all the other kde libraries...07:04
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cenerentola|trey|: "everybody hurts sometime..." Micheal Stipe07:04
g3r4rd0somene tried to compile tomboy in ubuntu??07:04
cenerentolabwlang: quite the optimal answer...07:05
bwlangcenerentola: anyway - i'm not sure if k3b uses the kde libs or if it just shares the same toolkit.07:05
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cenerentolabwlang: i vowed i wouldnt say THE WORD again... the one that is to GNOME what evil is to goodness07:07
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bwlang|trey|: i'm not saying kde is not qt  - i'm saying that qt is not kde.07:08
cenerentolabwlang: you're absolutely right: just dont repeat that word completely...07:08
cenerentolait hurts07:08
cenerentolaeverybody: im going for gcombust... is anyone gonna stop me?07:09
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SuperL4gcenerentola: what hurt?07:10
SuperL4gcenerentola: KDE? :)07:10
thoreauputic|trey|: re KDE in Sid - my mistake, I was looking at the metapackage - soory about that07:10
justdavethere's an lsb source package, but no lsb binary.  If I try building the source, it builds lsb-base07:11
Aardhi...07:11
cenerentolasuperl4g: nooooooooooo07:11
AardI just searched the page wondering if there are any efforts to provide sparc-support. hints?07:11
cenerentolai wasnt reading...argghghghghghghghghghghghgh...07:11
SuperL4gcenerentola: KDE rocks. :)07:12
cenerentolawow... its ok now07:12
cenerentolayeah like george bush07:12
SuperL4gcenerentola: he does too, but let's not go there07:12
cenerentolasuperl4g: he doesnt... but hes not the point... im too stupid... and you didnt get the joke, as everyone else in this room... good for you07:14
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nabhello guys!07:15
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plasmoahlo07:16
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devolveok, successfully compiled a piece of software that other stuff in the multiverse depends upon, and need to use libtools to link its libraries07:16
devolveand need to know context and howto07:16
swifty-I have some problem using my wlan nic (dlink dwl-520+). Ubuntu has the acx100 module and the firmware i need. Tried to get an ip from dhcp, but it does't work, set ip mannually did't work either. dhcp works fine in windows. tip?07:17
devolveso you're not online at all, swifty?07:17
devolveifdown eth0; ifup eth0; pump07:18
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swifty-Devole: nope07:18
bwlangswifty-: isn't the dwl520+ a atheros radio?07:19
swifty-atheros radio?07:19
bwlangswifty-: ie a radio made by atheros? and handled by the madwifi driver?07:19
swifty-acx10007:19
devolvesuccessfully compiled software that needs to share it's libraries... they are in /usr/local/lib/ and i think i need to link them to /usr/lib or just /lib with libtools but not sure how...07:20
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schifoguys im following http://www.sonicresolutions.com/tech/howto_orinoco_patch.html where does he get the .config file from step #307:21
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mjrdevolve, add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf perhaps?07:21
devolveyes, that was one of the things it told me to do after make install... do you know how i would see the rest of hte stuff it told me? is that logged?07:22
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mjryou might need to run ldconfig afterwards07:23
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asdf_46I just got my wlan adapter working with ndis wrapper, where would I make a howto for that?07:24
devolvemjr: still says that the dependencies are unresolved07:24
mjrmh07:24
devolvetrying to install dvdrip07:25
devolveworking with transcode on amd6407:25
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asdf_46devolve, are there packages for transcode and dvdrip?07:27
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Heinzhi does anyone have gdesklets working find?07:29
Heinzfind// fine07:30
stvnHeinz: what about it?07:30
Heinzi want to install gdesklets-0.3007:31
Heinzi have not find any gdesklets-ubuntu deb package, so .. im trying to install it from source07:31
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stvnHeinz: there is an ubuntu package07:32
stvnHeinz: did you enable the universe repository?07:32
Heinzyes07:32
stvnah it's only 0.2607:32
stvnthe data is .3 though07:33
Heinzbut the newer version is .3007:33
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devolveasdf_46: if you enable the multiverse and the debian-marillat, and are not running amd6407:33
stvnHeinz: ubuntu-warty doesn't have the newest of the newest07:33
Heinzif i run 0.26 have this /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main inste07:33
devolvebut, say i recompile, using this option: --with-mod-path (${prefix}/lib/transcode)07:34
devolve      directory where export/import modules are installed07:34
Heinzand i now that gdesklets is running background07:34
Heinzim in a amd64 plataform07:34