[12:01] <|trey|> xip, you prolly got 'shpchp' and 'pciehp' (or at least something simular to these) ... dmesg | grep error to see... these can be ignored  :)
[12:02] <punkass> smbmount? anyone?
[12:02] <spacey`ki> if the next version is released. how intensive would the upgrade version be?
[12:02] <spacey`ki> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:02] <spacey`ki> or more to it?
[12:03] <|trey|> spacey`ki, nope, hopefully that will be all thats required :)
[12:03] <|trey|> spacey`ki, other then changing "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list...
[12:03] <punkass> trey: do you know what the deal is with smbmount not being found?
[12:03] <spacey`ki> |trey|, ok thnx. had to be sure:)
[12:04] <spacey`ki> for possible future upgradepath
[12:04] <|trey|> punkass, sorry  :(  I use NFS or FTP for sharing files usually  :(
[12:04] <|trey|> spacey`ki, :)
[12:04] <punkass> ah yes that would make the most sense..but our server here is setup with samba :(
[12:04] <spacey`ki> is ubuntu considered ready voor production use?
[12:05] <Treenaks> yes.
[12:05] <jdub> spacey`ki: warty definitely is
[12:05] <|trey|> spacey`ki, Ubuntu's Warty release is, yes... :)
[12:05] <spacey`ki> punkass, if its not found are you sure you installed the package
[12:05] <punkass> yes
[12:05] <spacey`ki> ok jdub & |trey|
[12:05] <spacey`ki> :)
[12:05] <punkass> jdub: is there a reason smbmount is not available?
[12:06] <jdub> punkass: smbfs
[12:06] <spacey`ki> punkass, try mount -t smbfs
[12:06] <|trey|> punkass, dpkg -l smbclient | grep ^ii
[12:06] <xip> trey:  Sorry, was afk.  But yes, those were the two errors :)
[12:06] <punkass> yeah i know i can use smbfs, just curious why smbmount wasnt avaiable
[12:06] <|trey|> jdub, he's saying smbclient isn't instaled at all... afaict he hasn't even tryed to actually mount from what he has asked  :/
[12:07] <khronic> anyone tried out the new firefox release?  Wondering if it fixes some 1.0RC annoyances (unclickable link, etc)
[12:07] <|trey|> punkass, smbmount is basically a wrapper around mount -t smbfs  :/
[12:07] <|trey|> punkass, mount smbfs ...
[12:07] <jdub> other way around, i believe
[12:07] <|trey|> punkass, uhh, modprobe even
[12:07] <|trey|> I'm high
[12:08] <schweeb> jdub: afaik you're right
[12:08] <punkass> jdub: ahhh..smbfs is a seperate package...doh :)
[12:08] <|trey|> jdub, either way, I know if ones not working, neither will the other  :)
[12:09] <jdub> punkass: that's what i meant
[12:09] <punkass> yeah i gotcha now... i thought u meant...use mount -t smbfs
[12:10] <punkass> thanks
[12:10] <UnIData> i download j2re where find it ?
[12:11] <|trey|> UnIData, Umm, in your home dir? in Multiverse, look up java-package... much better performance  :)
[12:12] <|trey|> UnIData, need the 3rd party binary still... but yeah  :)
[12:16] <kensai> which is an equivalet to jbuilder in linux for java programing
[12:16] <kensai> ?
[12:17] <UnIData> i need make a ln to javaplugin_oji.so to mozilla
[12:17] <kensai> qt is good for c++ but it canot handle java programing?
[12:18] <geppy> QT isn't good.
[12:18] <mjr> kensai, that sounds like apples and oranges to me; qt is a toolkit whereas isn't jbuilder some IDE?
[12:19] <geppy> jbuilder is an IDE.
[12:19] <__daniel> kensai: c++ and qt have not as much as gtkmm and c++ in common ;-)
[12:19] <kensai> qt-designer I mean
[12:19] <mjr> anyway, I've heard good things about the Eclipse IDE
[12:19] <jdub> kensai: probably ecplise
[12:19] <jdub> Oskuro! :-)
[12:19] <mjr> and if you want to use a native toolkit, gtk (and gnome) have Java bindings
[12:20] <jordi> Nobody has seen Oskuro. Nobody!
[12:20] <jdub> bah!
[12:20] <kensai> Thanks
[12:20] <jordi> :)
[12:21] <mirak_> hi hi hi
[12:22] <kensai> But can I use qt-designer on Gnome?
[12:22] <geppy> Yes.
[12:22] <jdub> kensai: not entirely usefully
[12:23] <jdub> kensai: better to use glade
[12:23] <kensai> Ok I'll see glade
[12:27] <robertj> my speakers buzz when I get a call on my cell. Do I need new speakers or new cables?
[12:27] <mjr> kensai, if you're going that way, yeah, glade is good, and this may also be a useful link: http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/
[12:28] <kensai> thanks thats what I was searching too
[12:31] <Striss> can java be added to firefox on ppc?
[12:33] <robertj> are there any speakers that won't buzz from cell interferance?
[12:34] <pjz> better shielded ones, maybe
[12:34] <pjz> try lining them with tinfoil
[12:35] <pjz> okay, a challenge for the ubuntu crowd: can I install it from a running XP system?
[12:35] <punkass> where is the best spot to put a smbmount command so that a share is mounted on bootup/per user .ie i have it in xdm/Xsessions on a fedora machine and it works fine
[12:35] <pjz> all I've got is a drive, a cpu, and a network
[12:35] <robertj> pjz: How much work are you willing to do?
[12:35] <pjz> robertj: a fair bit
[12:36] <robertj> hrmmm, got free partition space?
[12:36] <kapputu> hi all
[12:36] <pjz> robertj: nope, I need to repartition dynamically or something
[12:37] <robertj> aint happening
[12:37] <pjz> robertj: is there a win32 port of parted?
[12:37] <kirtis> punkass, I would probably put it in a script, then add the script to the startup items in gnome.
[12:37] <robertj> pjz: wait, are you willing to reboot?
[12:37] <pjz> robertj: oh, sure, but I don't have a CD or floppy, is the problem. just net.
[12:39] <robertj> oh
[12:39] <robertj> pxe bootable?
[12:39] <punkass> kirtis: ill give that a shot..thanks
[12:39] <pjz> dunno.  I don't have another linux box locally, either, though.
[12:39] <__daniel> bye
[12:39] <kapputu> hi daniel
[12:39] <robertj> why don't you have a cdrom?
[12:39] <pjz> it's in another machine offsite
[12:39] <__daniel> bye kapputu :-)
[12:39] <pjz> I can get one in a couple days, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to
[12:40] <kapputu> bye
[12:40] <robertj> without free partition space I don't know
[12:44] <pjz> is there no free parition editor for winxp?
[12:44] <pjz> and can ntfs be resized?
[12:44] <punkass> kirtis the problem is it needs to be run by root
[12:44] <robertj> you can't resize a mounted partition on the fly
[12:44] <robertj> at least not without knowing ALOT
[12:44] <kirtis> punkass, Well you could make it suid.. but that's not really secure.  How about mounting it once on bootup, then putting a symlink in each users home?
[12:44] <robertj> first you'd have to know what you were conceptionally doing, and second you'd have to be able to kill vital system services in windows
[12:44] <robertj> theoretically you can use bootlin+chainloader
[12:46] <robertj> from there, you could set up a chroot inside a ramdisk, unmount / and fdisk that little space on your hard drive
[12:46] <robertj> so you would have a partition inside your NTFS
[12:46] <kapputu> hi brettcar you around ?
[12:46] <robertj> am I talking crazy talk?
[12:54] <pjz> is bootlin a userspace program or is it the same as rebooting? ie. is it a subprocess or does it take over the whole OS?
[12:54] <brettcar> kapputu: Why yes I happen to be around
[12:54] <kapputu> my reinstall went well with ext 3 but the system is slow
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> i'm still having a problem w/ my sda1 hdd
[12:54] <robertj> pjz: I don't know, but I know it was the recommended way of booting to linux before LILO came out in Redhat 2
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> can anyone give me a hand?
[12:54] <kapputu> also my ethernet interface wasnt detected
[12:54] <robertj> the big problem would be writing to the disk directly from win32
[12:54] <kapputu> so I missed downloading packages
[12:54] <kapputu> so what do you think I would have missed ?
[12:54] <brettcar> kapputu: Nothing, just run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:54] <brettcar> And you'll be fine
[12:54] <robertj> okay, what happens if you dd the install disk onto your hd from within windows ;)
[12:54] <robertj> the only problem is you would need a specialized image that brought up sshd automatically with a default user
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> i can't seem to mount my sda1 hdd....
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother0074: what happens when you try?
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> pjz: when i turn it on, it doesn't automount like it's supposed to
[12:54] <jackthetripper> has anyone seen that background ubuntu_calendar.png, I can't find it anywhere
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother: can you manually mount it?
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother0074: after it's turned on, I mean
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> pjz:  how?  "mount /dev/sda1"?
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother0074: almost: 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> i'm not familiar w/ command line stuff
[12:54] <kapputu> anything new about Ubuntu ?
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> ok
[12:54] <kirtis> jackthetripper, apt-cache search ubuntu shows a ubuntu-calendar.. have you tried installing it?
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother0074: see if that works
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> pjz: no, i don't think that did...
[12:54] <pjz> bigbrother0074; what did it say?
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> it opened up a file browser: dev that had icons for the folders
[12:54] <jackthetripper> Thanks kirtis that did it
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> but it's not listed under the drives
[12:54] <kapputu> can I install more than one package at a time using apt-get ?
[12:54] <robertj> pjz: do you have a spare local computer?
[12:54] <bigbrother0074> i'm sorry, tha'ts a file browser titeld mnt
[12:54] <robertj> if so, see if you can find a version on dd for windows that will let you dd to the drive with your windows system folder on it
[12:55] <Pizbit> kapputu: Yes
[12:55] <kapputu> how Pizbit ?
[12:55] <Pizbit> kapputu: Just add the extra package names to the command
[12:55] <Pizbit> eg: apt-get install package1 package2
[12:55] <guptan> Hi room, how about installing Xfce 4.2 beta relase on Ubuntu?
[12:56] <kapputu> any idea why I would want to install gcc-doc for mplayer ?
[12:56] <pjz> robertj: oh! I just realized I have a 128MB (122 usable) USB memstick here I could maybe boot from
[12:56] <robertj> pjz: well yeah, but if its not stuck in your server, what good does that do?
[12:56] <pjz> bigbrother0074: hrm, dunno
[12:56] <pjz> robertj: I'm next to the server
[12:56] <robertj> oh
[12:56] <pjz> robertj: it just doesn't have a CD or floppy
[12:56] <robertj> So why don't you just go buy a cdrom drive?
[12:56] <bigbrother0074> can anybody else help me out then?
[12:56] <robertj> They are $12
[12:56] <pjz> robertj: heh, yah, that's likely the answer
[12:56] <robertj> But yeah, you can do an install
[12:57] <punkass> any thought out there how i can mount some samba shares at boot up/per user   ie in xdm/Xsession or something
[12:57] <robertj> well your motherboard may or may not boot off the usb keychain
[12:57] <pjz> robertj: is ther a smaller 'live' image I could put on the keychain?
[12:58] <bigbrother0074> pjz: when i look to see what's mounted, i see this: /dev/sda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw)
[12:58] <bigbrother0074> what does that mean?
[12:58] <robertj> pjz: dunno
[12:59] <robertj> find any keychain linux distro, boot, partition, format, download base.tar.gz from potato, unzip, edit /etc/network/interfaces, edit /etc/resolv.conf, edit /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:59] <kirtis> Anyone know how to clear the bash aliases?
[01:00] <guptan> bigbrother0074, that shows ur usb disc mounted on /mnt
[01:00] <punkass> kirtis: i believe they are in .bashrc
[01:00] <kirtis> sorry, nm i found it.
[01:00] <punkass> or .bash_profile
[01:00] <punkass> :)
[01:00] <kirtis> unalias in case anyone wants to know.
[01:00] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  but it's not actually mounted....i can't browse the files or anything
[01:01] <pjz> robertj: any suggs on a keychain distroy?
[01:01] <robertj> nope
[01:02] <guptan> bigbrother0074, does nautilus gives u any error while trying to access it?
[01:03] <bigbrother0074> guptan: nautilus doesn't list it for me -- it shows it there, but says it's empty...same as it did when it wasn't mounted
[01:03] <bigbrother0074> guptan: i'm looking under /media/ ...should i be looking elsewhere?
[01:03] <guptan> bigbrother0074, try accessing it as root
[01:03] <guptan> bigbrother0074, u said its mounted under /mnt rt?
[01:04] <bigbrother0074> guptan: nothin there either
[01:04] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  rt?
[01:04] <guptan> try accessing it as root bigbrother0074
[01:04] <bigbrother0074> guptan: i was root when i mounted it
[01:04] <bigbrother0074> i did
[01:04] <guptan> bigbrother0074, how u mounted it?
[01:05] <bigbrother0074> 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' i think
[01:05] <guptan> bigbrother0074, umount it and try mount -o uid=your_username /dev/sda1/ /mnt
[01:05] <bigbrother0074> k
[01:05] <kapputu> does anyone know how to enable SMB support for MPlayer ?
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure it exists
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> why don't you mount the smb share
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> and then just use mplayer normally
[01:07] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  how did that work?
[01:07] <bigbrother0074> guptan: it works, but...how?
[01:08] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  wait, i still don't see it in nautilus
[01:08] <guptan> bigbrother0074, you mounted first time as root, so u ended up without having access to it
[01:08] <guptan> bigbrother0074, to see in nautilus u need to mount /dev/sda1 to some folder in /media
[01:09] <bigbrother0074> guptan: how exactly would i do that?  'mount /dev/sda1 /media/'?
[01:10] <guptan> bigbrother0074, create a folder under /media, and remount sda1 to there
[01:11] <guptan> bigbrother0074, mkdir /media/usb; mount -o uid=your_username /dev/sda1 /media/usb will do
[01:11] <bigbrother0074> guptan: ok, thanks
[01:11] <guptan> bigbrother0074, you are welcome
[01:11] <kapputu> how do I mount the smb share ?
[01:12] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  it works....thanks again.  i don't know what i would do w/o this channel.  heh.
[01:12] <Poyayan> is transparency only availible with X.org?
[01:12] <Poyayan> as in can I make gnome-terminal transparent?
[01:12] <geppy> Poyayan:  I believe so.
[01:12] <guptan> bigbrother0074, neither me :)
[01:12] <Poyayan> oh well no big deal
[01:13] <bigbrother0074> heh.  so will it automount anymore?
[01:13] <Poyayan> anyone know how I can turn of the sound when the ubuntu login screen shows up?
[01:13] <jdub> Poyayan: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[01:14] <jdub> Poyayan: or Computer > System Configuration > Login Screen Setup
[01:14] <kirtis> Poyayan, There's an option for it in Login Screen Setup, under System COnfiguration
[01:14] <jdub> for guiness
[01:14] <Poyayan> lol nevermind I'm a retard
[01:14] <geppy> Yeah, why is Ubuntu using XFree86, anyways?
[01:15] <jdub> see the FAQ
[01:15] <geppy> Thanks.
[01:15] <bigbrother0074> guptan: will it automount anymore?
[01:15] <guptan> bigbrother0074, you may need to add entry in /etc/fstab
[01:16] <guptan> bigbrother0074, oops I think I wrongly answered ur question
[01:16] <Poyayan> brb
[01:17] <guptan> bigbrother0074, I think there is an article in ubuntu wiki about nautilus automounting
[01:17] <bigbrother0074> Ohmer, ok
[01:17] <bigbrother0074> grr...."oh" != "ohmer"...i keep forgetting
[01:18] <Ohmer> lol
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB>  /kick ohmer you play hell with autocomplete!
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> oh.. did I say that out loud? ;)
[01:19] <bigbrother0074> haha
[01:20] <kapputu> hi geppy
[01:20] <geppy> kapputu:  Hello.
[01:20] <bigbrother0074> guptan: where is the nautilus automounting page?
[01:20] <kapputu> where do I download w32codecs from ?
[01:20] <geppy> Look on google.
[01:20] <tseng> google debian marillat
[01:21] <kapputu> no good links
[01:21] <kapputu> marillat doesn't have it
[01:21] <geppy> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[01:21] <geppy> Are you sure?
[01:22] <kapputu> will a debian package be compatible with ubuntu ?
[01:22] <geppy> Eh, it's not advised, but yes.
[01:22] <geppy> I'm not seeing anything on why they chose XFree86 in the FAQ.  Perhaps a link?
[01:23] <guptan> bigbrother0074, i'm not sure, let me check it
[01:23] <bigbrother0074> guptan: ok
[01:23] <kapputu> how bad will the screw up be ?
[01:23] <guptan> bigbrother0074, that is not an how-to; its about helping them to make automounting more better
[01:24] <guptan> bigbrother0074, there is no guarantee that automounting will work with your time everytime u plugin ur usb stick
[01:24] <punkass> what is the easiest way to run as script as root when a user logs in?
[01:24] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  but it was working fine until today...!
[01:25] <kapputu> which is the best FTP server ?
[01:25] <jdub> vsftp
[01:25] <guptan> bigbrother0074, I don't have any comment. same thing happened with me, and I have to manually do it
[01:25] <jdub> which is supported in ubuntu
[01:25] <kapputu> vs or ws ?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> punkass, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[01:26] <jdub> vs
[01:26] <jdub> ws is a windows client
[01:26] <kapputu> ok w32codecs is used by MPlayer ?
[01:27] <LinuxJones> kapputu, yes and xine as well by default.
[01:27] <geppy> yes
[01:27] <bigbrother0074> guptan:  ok...thanks for your help
[01:28] <punkass> LinuxJones: hmm ok that may work...what i am trying to do is mount smaba shares at bootup/per user ..i use $USER etc
[01:28] <punkass> i have it in xdm/Xsessions on a fedora box and it is working fine
[01:28] <kapputu> so how do I make MPlayer use w23codecs ?
[01:28] <punkass> so i tried in gdm/Xsession but i get nothing
[01:29] <LinuxJones> punkass, I don't have any MS products so I don't realy know anything about Samba but give me a sec, I know of a goot tutorial :)
[01:30] <LinuxJones> punkass, >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html << hope this helps
[01:31] <punkass> not really..but thanks
[01:32] <LinuxJones> punkass, heh
[01:32] <punkass> i can mount stuff just fine
[01:32] <punkass> its just i want to mount shares based on $USER  $UID etc when a user logs on
[01:34] <LinuxJones> punkass, is there a samba group created when you install the samba service ?
[01:34] <kapputu> what's the line in the fstab if I want to mount my fat partitions automatically and allow all users to read and write ?
[01:34] <punkass> oh doh...got it smbmnt has to be suid root
[01:36] <LinuxJones> punkass, from that tutorial >> If you had several users you wanted to have read/write access to it, create a group and add those users to the group.
[01:36] <LinuxJones> punkass, from that tutorial >> Then specify just that groupid in the /etc/fstab file.
[01:38] <punkass> yes but i am mounting the with there own user/pass and depending who it is they get different shares
[01:38] <punkass> but the group thing is good to know
[01:40] <kapputu> do I have to configure the winlibdir in MPlayer if I want MPlayer to use w32codecs ?
[01:40] <Pizbit> mplayer should pickup that you have the w32codecs package installed
[01:40] <kapputu> cool
[01:41] <kapputu> hmm jdub suggested vsftp for FTP server, but apt can't find it
[01:42] <LinuxJones> kapputu, it must be in the universe repository because I can see it
[01:43] <kapputu> i find vsftpd
[01:43] <LinuxJones> kapputu, that's it :)
[01:44] <kapputu> ok is the doc for vsftp good or is there a generic doc on how to setup a secure FTP server ?
[01:45] <kapputu> ok I don't understand umask
[01:45] <kapputu> what is it and what does the numbers 022, 077 stand for ?
[01:46] <Pizbit> Permissions
[01:46] <kapputu> oh ok
[01:46] <kapputu> 1 for execute, 4 for read and 2 for write ?
[01:46] <eruin> 022 be weird permissions
[01:46] <eruin> ;P
[01:47] <eruin> 6 write, 7 for execute
[01:47] <brettcar> 6 is rw
[01:47] <kapputu> u mean rw and rx
[01:47] <brettcar> and 7 is rwx
[01:47] <thoreauputic> eruin: no, that's for chmod etc - umask is the reverse
[01:47] <Pizbit> Heh, I'm guessing, but it seems to be tied up with permissions anyway.
[01:47] <eruin> I'm retarded
[01:47] <kapputu> reverse ?
[01:47] <LinuxJones> kapputu, ya it is opposite
[01:48] <brettcar> umask is AND'd not really reverse?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> kapputu: eg umask 0 allows full perms, 2 reduces it to read and so on
[01:48] <kapputu> u mean it's read in reverse order ?
[01:48] <sparkycola> kapputu: openssh comes with sftp
[01:48] <thoreauputic> no it's subtracted
[01:48] <LinuxJones> kapputu, you like have to subtract the numbers
[01:48] <brettcar> AND'd not subtracted!
[01:48] <kapputu> ic
[01:49] <kapputu> what do u mean by ANDed ?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> brettcar, what is AND'd ?
[01:49] <brettcar> It runs a boolean AND operation
[01:49] <brettcar> not subtraction
[01:49] <kapputu> 000 & 010 & 010 ?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> brettcar: keep it simple to make it comprehensible
[01:49] <kapputu> AND the columns ?
[01:50] <kapputu> thoreauputic, I understand this stuf
[01:50] <brettcar> each one seperately
[01:50] <brettcar> against 7 I think.
[01:50] <kapputu> but you AND the columns right ?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> *shrug*
[01:51] <kapputu> I don't seem like it, thoreauputic do I ?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> kapputu: I wouldn't know - I was just tryong to keep the umask thing simpler
[01:51] <thoreauputic> *trying
[01:52] <kapputu> AND'ing 110 and 000 gives me 000
[01:52] <kapputu> doesn't make sense
[01:52] <brettcar> kapputu: Yeah I'm wrong.
[01:52] <brettcar> Sorry
[01:52] <usual> hello all
[01:52] <kapputu> hmm I hope you aren't being sarcastic
[01:52] <WW> Hello world.
[01:52] <usual> my name is Colin
[01:53] <kapputu> Hi Colin
[01:53] <kapputu> what's up
[01:53] <usual> hi :)
[01:53] <usual> not alot, relaxing, about to eat a pot pie
[01:53] <usual> just bought a new car
[01:53] <kapputu> great !
[01:53] <thoreauputic> kapputu: seriously, man umask explains it quite well (which is nice for a man page ;)
[01:53] <usual> :)
[01:53] <WW> Has anybody joined the wiki recently?
[01:53] <imka> hey all
[01:54] <usual> I am loving ubuntu so far
[01:54] <usual> coming from a long time debian user and recent slackware user
[01:54] <kapputu> yep me too even though it screwed up yesterday
[01:54] <usual> ubuntu was a breathe of fresh air
[01:54] <kapputu> i'm not sure I understand how to AND decimal numbers
[01:55] <imka> i'm concerned about my cpu. i've installed dvd::rip today, and i'm transcoding my first dvd. my cpu has been running on 100% for the last hour, and it's gonna be like that for another 3,5 or so
[01:55] <LinuxJones> usual, I can't wait to see hoary in april. There will be 500 people in irc :D
[01:55] <kapputu> I understand umask now but
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> LinuxJones: oh god :/
[01:55] <kapputu> oh just 500 ??
[01:55] <LinuxJones> HrdwrBoB, heh
[01:55] <usual> LinuxJones, thats the next release correct?
[01:55] <kapputu> hey anyway I can help with hoary ?
[01:55] <LinuxJones> usual, yes
[01:55] <kapputu> I'm a quick learner and a good programmer
[01:55] <usual> LinuxJones, is this an official ubuntu channel?
[01:55] <kapputu> though, once again, I don't appear to be one
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> usual: yes
[01:56] <LinuxJones> usual, THE official :)
[01:56] <usual> k
[01:56] <usual> hehe
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: #ubuntu-devel
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> also ubuntu-devel mailing list
[01:56] <usual> i get a funky error at boot
[01:56] <imka> i'm thinking about installing a lightweight wm. how much cpu resources does gnome take? i'm really concerned about my cpu.
[01:56] <usual> i'm sure many do
[01:56] <usual> trying to load a module that doesn't exist
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> imka: about 6.4
[01:57] <kapputu> pciehp ?
[01:57] <usual> hw_random or something
[01:57] <usual> whats up with that
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> imka: what cpu do you have?
[01:57] <imka> athlon xp 1400
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> imka: the impact of gnome on a machine of those specs is effectively neglible
[01:57] <imka> hmmm
[01:57] <sparkycola> thts more ram based
[01:57] <thoreauputic> imka: that can handle any wm or desktop easily - RAM is a bigger issue
[01:57] <sparkycola> than cpu
[01:58] <imka> i'm fine with ram
[01:58] <imka> it's not even at 50%, swap untouched
[01:58] <thoreauputic> imka: then you have nothing to worry about :)
[01:58] <fsc> anybody know the proper way to use update-alternatives?
[01:58] <WW> Nevermind, I figured it out... the wiki sign-in/login screen asks for a User Name, but it really wants your email address.
[01:58] <punkass> is there way to make mounted items appear on the desktop?
[01:58] <imka> thoreauputic not even my cpu running on 100% for 4 hours?
[01:59] <brettcar> WW: How'd you get to sign-up?
[01:59] <fsc> I want to use gvim instead of vim as my vi editor in /etc/alternatives
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> imka: why would it be doing that
[01:59] <thoreauputic> imka: well, see which process is causing that
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> imka: if it is, start gnome-system-monitor and see what's doing it
[01:59] <imka> transcode. i'm ripping a dvd
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[01:59] <imka> i know exactly what's going on
[01:59] <LinuxJones> imka, run top and have a look as to what is eating all of your resources.
[01:59] <WW> brettcar: I just went to the register page in the wiki.
[01:59] <LinuxJones> imka, lol
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> imka: running gnome at the same time as transcoding
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> makes no detectable difference
[02:00] <mdz> usual: the error is harmless; the system thinks that you have a hardware random number generator, but you don't
[02:00] <brettcar> WW: For the *new* wiki?
[02:00] <usual> I have a module that fails to load every boot, called hw_random or something like that, it happened in rc and final release
[02:00] <WW> brettcar: Yes, the one linked from the main ubuntu web page.
[02:00] <usual> mdz, i figured it was harmless, can I remove that error
[02:00] <Lathiat> fsc: update-alternatives --config vim ?
[02:00] <Poyayan> yeah
[02:00] <brettcar> WW: Ah I see
[02:00] <brettcar> they have a Join link now!
[02:00] <usual> mdz, recompile the kernel without something
[02:00] <usual> ?
[02:00] <Poyayan> usual add it to your modules-blacklist
[02:01] <usual> ok
[02:01] <kapputu> a quick question
[02:01] <WW> brettcar: Oops, that's what I meant, the join page.
[02:01] <Poyayan> it's in /etc/hotplug
[02:01] <kapputu> I need to access a shared drive on a Windows machine
[02:01] <Poyayan> just add hw_random somewhere in there
[02:01] <usual> Poyayan, thank you
[02:01] <Poyayan> np I had the same problem :)
[02:01] <kapputu> but I dont have a password for the user in that machine
[02:01] <imka> punkass: computer/Desktop preferences/removable devices
[02:01] <kapputu> what do I give in the fstab for password ?
[02:02] <usual> Poyayan, what file
[02:02] <Poyayan> blacklist
[02:02] <usual> Poyayan, there are many in /etc/hotplug
[02:02] <usual> ok
[02:02] <imka> good nite all
[02:02] <Poyayan> let me know if that fixes your problem
[02:02] <punkass> imka: hmmm...well i want it for smbmounted shares
[02:03] <usual> Poyayan, will reboot and see
[02:03] <WW> Poyayan: Adding hw_random to blacklist got rid of the error for me :)
[02:04] <Poyayan> yeah I know same here
[02:04] <Poyayan> usual was the one having the problem
[02:04] <WW> Poyayan: Right.
[02:04] <WW> Poyayan: And so will almost every new user for the next six months! :)
[02:04] <Poyayan> lol
[02:05] <usual> Poyayan, worked great thanks
[02:05] <Poyayan> ok cool
[02:05] <WW> Poyayan: I have one more annoying (but cosmetic) boot error, involving i823650 and yenta_socket.  Are these also modules that I could add to blacklist?
[02:06] <WW> ...anyone else can answer if they know ^^^
[02:06] <Poyayan> hmm
[02:07] <srbaker> WW, on your laptop?
[02:07] <Poyayan> um you should just use name given in the error message
[02:07] <WW> srbaker: Nope, this is a desktop.  I know those are PCMCIA-related modules.
[02:07] <srbaker> WW, then blacklist them
[02:08] <srbaker> WW, better yet, i think you can disable pcmcia in discover.conf
[02:09] <Poyayan> yeah discover.conf might work
[02:09] <WW> srbaker: I'll take a look at discover.conf.  Blacklisting does seem like an indirect way to fix the problem.
[02:09] <benjanet> what driver should i use in CUPS for my Epson Stylus C60 ? dont seem to find it on the list
[02:12] <LinuxJones> benjanet, choose the closest model to yours
[02:13] <usual> someone should add a howto to the wiki that explains using the nvidia packages
[02:13] <usual> I use the files from nvidia, but the packages are there
[02:13] <benjanet> LinuxJones, i only saw modes with 3 digits, like 500, 600, etc...none worked
[02:13] <jdub> usual: BinaryDriverHowto...
[02:13] <usual> k
[02:15] <jono> hi all
[02:16] <LinuxJones> jono, hiya :)
[02:16] <jono> heya LinuxJones :)
[02:16] <jono> hows it going?
[02:17] <LinuxJones> jono, not great atm :( your up late :P
[02:17] <jono> LinuxJones, yeah got in from a band practice, we are about to release our album and we have the release party on saturday night
[02:17] <Poyayan> why isn't there a tool in gnome to change the splash screen?
[02:17] <jono> www.seraphidian.com
[02:17] <Poyayan> I wouldn't think it would be that hard
[02:18] <LinuxJones> jono, you have some .oggs on that site ?
[02:18] <jono> LinuxJones, not of the new stuff yet
[02:18] <jono> its pretty heavy music
[02:19] <jono> chuggy metal
[02:19] <LinuxJones> jono, Iron Maiden is probably my favorite band...well the early stuff anyways :)
[02:20] <jono> LinuxJones, cool, well this kinda like pantera, fear factory and overkill rolled into one with a maiden'y tradition
[02:21] <LinuxJones> jono, I seen Maiden in Toronto in like 2001 they were still rocking even in their mid-40's :)
[02:21] <jono> we are currently in discussions with some labels
[02:21] <jono> LinuxJones, yeah, they are cool :)
[02:21] <LinuxJones> jono, awesome
[02:22] <jono> one label is coming to see us play hopefully at the Ruskin Arms in London where Maiden used to gig all the time
[02:22] <brettcar> http://zwiki.org/RSSFeeds
[02:22] <brettcar> Anyone?
 is this the right place to ask about problem I have in warty?
[02:23] <GotD0t> yup
[02:24] <LinuxJones> jono, I would love to listen to some of your stuff, I need a good dose of some good metal.
[02:24] <CocoToni> for the life of me, I can't get an application to update the menu after installation
[02:24] <CocoToni> someone suggested apt-get install menu, but no luck
[02:24] <benjanet> what driver should i use in CUPS for my Epson Stylus C60 ? dont seem to find it on the list
[02:25] <jdub> CocoToni: which app?
[02:25] <jono> LinuxJones, buy the album :)
[02:25] <jdub> CocoToni: only apps that have gnome icon definitions in them will appear in the menu
[02:25] <CocoToni> jdub: Opera. Comes in a nice .deb
[02:25] <LinuxJones> jono, heh when it is release I will be your 1st fan in Canada :)
[02:25] <jdub> yeah, probably doesn't have a .desktop file
[02:25] <CocoToni> jdub: has an icon
[02:25] <jono> LinuxJones, we are gonna stick some samples online soon :)
[02:25] <LinuxJones> jono, great
[02:26] <jono> LinuxJones, we are trying to build up some fans across the world - we have some fans in .au .nz and .de
[02:26] <jono> LinuxJones, you work for Canonical?
[02:26] <CocoToni> jdub: I know people hate when they are compared, but in RHEL install just places the icon in the right place in the menu
[02:27] <twisted_steel> CocoToni: have you tried logging off and logging back in to see if it shows up?
[02:27] <LinuxJones> jono, nope but I would like to get out of the crappy job I have ATM :)
[02:27] <jdub> CocoToni: is there a .desktop file in the package?
[02:27] <CocoToni> twisted_steel: yes, since I was not sure how to update it
[02:27] <jono> LinuxJones, heh
[02:27] <CocoToni> jdub: lemme check
[02:27] <LinuxJones> jono, starting a video production company very soon
[02:28] <jono> video production, cool, my girlfriend is a video editor
[02:28] <jono> she did the DVD that comes with the album
[02:28] <usual> Are there any howto's on using a graphical grub ubuntu theme? or even a status loading splash?
[02:29] <jono> in the album it also says "Inside layout created with GIMP and Open Source" :)_
[02:29] <jono> do my bit for the movement :)
[02:29] <jdub> usual: the next release will have a kickarse graphical startup
[02:29] <LinuxJones> jono, sweet
[02:29] <LinuxJones> jono, she is running a mac no doubt
[02:30] <usual> jdub, cool, does ubuntu have a stable and unstable branch accessable to the public? like debian with stable/testing/unstable
[02:30] <jono> we are looking to set up street teams for the band in different parts of the world, would you be interested in helping for Canada?
[02:30] <jono> LinuxJones, she is windows based actually
[02:30] <LinuxJones> jono, what is a streat team ?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> jono, err street
[02:31] <xskoulax> LinuxJones: they help promote the band/product
[02:31] <jono> LinuxJones, basically, people who like a band and help to get the band publicised in their area
[02:31] <jdub> usual: warty is our current released version
[02:31] <LinuxJones> jono, you mean like a groupy :)
[02:31] <jdub> usual: the hoary devel branch will be ready for testing soon
[02:31] <jono> things such as getting the CD played in clubs, radio stations, magazine coverage etc
[02:31] <usual> jdub, look forward to it
[02:31] <jono> LinuxJones, hehe, more like being the Canadian wing of the band
[02:31] <LinuxJones> jono, heh :)
[02:32] <jono> LinuxJones, would you be interested?
[02:32] <LinuxJones> jono, I would have to hear some of the music 1st :)
[02:32] <jono> sure :)
[02:32] <usual> jdub, are the packages in universe considered trustworthy and stable, even though they are not supported?
[02:32] <jono> LinuxJones, mail me at jono@jonobacon.org and I will mail you with a sample tomorrow
[02:32] <whiprush> good evening everyone.
[02:32] <jdub> mostly, yeah
[02:32] <walt> Jono, just listened to some samples of your band..nice
[02:32] <jdub> they'll be even better in the next release
[02:33] <jdub> because there will be lots of people looking at them
[02:33] <jdub> hey whiprush
[02:33] <LinuxJones> jono, metal is not big where I come from, they are into Shania Twain and Britany Spears and (shriek) rap :(
[02:33] <usual> jdub, ok, i just ask because with all the restrictions in multimedia, i wonder if the packages to make things work are hurting anything
[02:33] <jono> ugh
[02:33] <jono> walt, cheers man, those samples are no where near the quality of the new album, I promise
[02:33] <Kleggas> hi, I have a problem with xfree86 in ubuntu. I tried to display gdesklets wich started without errors, but they didnt show on desktop, I started root-tail without errors, it didtn show on desktop. nothing I try putting on the desktop seems to work. I have gnomepanel, nautilus and such, but nothing extra works, why?
[02:34] <whiprush> ooh, jono does metal?
[02:34] <xskoulax> ahhh, any estimates when the cds will ship?
[02:35] <LinuxJones> xskoulax, early november I think
[02:35] <jono> whiprush, yep, www.seraphidian.com
[02:35] <xskoulax> LinuxJones: thx much
[02:35] <jono> did'nt know there were so many metallers in here hehe
[02:35] <jono> hang on, let me stick a sample online
[02:36] <jono> ok, just gonna make a sample, one sec
[02:37] <whiprush> hmm, my "blow me up box" is handling the hoary updates fine so far.
[02:37] <whiprush> One broken perl package earlier, but other than that ...
[02:38] <usual> ubuntu should come with gnome set to low resources
[02:38] <usual> or reduced_resources
[02:38] <jdub> usual: there is no 'low resources' setting. it doesn't do stupid things by default.
[02:38] <jdub> oh, the metacity setting?
[02:38] <jdub> that's totally up to the user
[02:38] <usual> jdub, yea
[02:38] <jdub> not something worth doing by default
[02:39] <whiprush> the "frame windows" thing misdraws for me when I turn that on.
[02:39] <usual> jdub, yea I understand, they are just so annoying....animated min/max
[02:39] <jdub> usual: that's a panel setting.
[02:39] <usual> jdub, how come i have to do it in metacity ?
[02:39] <usual> jdub, I never saw it in panel
[02:40] <jdub> oh, right, i grok what you mean
[02:41] <jdub> there was a panel setting for that too
[02:43] <usual> desktop locked up
[02:44] <usual> thats a first heh
[02:44] <CocoToni> jdub: RE menus, and Opera - no it doesn't have opera.desktop installed in /usr/share/applications :(
[02:44] <jdub> CocoToni: that'd be why :)
[02:44] <CocoToni> jdub: is there a way to use Debian standard /usr/lib/menu system?
[02:45] <jdub> no
[02:45] <CocoToni> :(
[02:45] <jdub> that has been removed with great prejudice
[02:45] <whiprush> heh
[02:46] <CocoToni> so should I expect that .debs will slowly move to the standard where they place .desktop in appropriate place?
[02:47] <jdub> CocoToni: any software that intends to appear in the kde or gnome menu systems should do that
[02:47] <jdub> CocoToni: no matter what kind of package format or archive they're distributed in
[02:47] <whiprush> WW: I too, will not miss the 38-level nested nightmare.
[02:48] <whiprush> jdub: so this polyopaudio is pretty good eh?
[02:49] <jdub> not according to _A_
[02:49] <jdub> but lennart will fix it
[02:49] <whiprush> heh
[02:49] <whiprush> yeah I saw that
[02:50] <CocoToni> Ok, thanks for the info. I'll go pest the Opera developers now to package it better :)
[02:50] <whiprush> well, switching to it was easy enough
[02:50] <whiprush> didn't even have to stop my session
[02:51] <eL_RaNu> hi...
[02:54] <eL_RaNu> i have a problem with ubuntu, i install it without a problem, but when i start ubuntu when i log in in gdm, gnome splash the screen of ubuntu and freeze
[02:54] <eL_RaNu> any idea?? i don't have sound card,
[02:55] <aitrus> eL_RaNu: apparently you have an old version.... that is a known bug that has been fixed
[02:55] <aitrus> eL_RaNu: let me find it
[02:56] <Agrajag-> anyone know if it's possible to install ubuntu on a external usb mass storage device?
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> not sure
[02:57] <aitrus> eL_RaNu: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1943
[02:58] <jono> LinuxJones, walt, whiprush: http://www.seraphidian.com/downloads/music/cagedsamples/seraphidian-caged-sample.ogg
[02:58] <jono> at the moment, only a handful of people have heard the new record
[02:59] <jono> and there is a sample :)
[02:59] <eL_RaNu> thanks, aitrus, lets see....
[03:00] <whiprush> woo
[03:01] <whiprush> sweet, when's the release date, I'll snag a copy.
[03:01] <LinuxJones> jono, omg it sounds like Celtic Frost :D
[03:01] <Hikaru79> I want to write a short script that only does two things sequentially: goes into a directory, and runs a command
[03:02] <Hikaru79> How would I do that, supposing I wanted this script to run from my desktop? ^ ^;
[03:02] <walt> Nice, jono..will be seeing about getting the cd!
[03:02] <jono> LinuxJones, :)
[03:02] <LinuxJones> heh
[03:02] <jono> walt, cool
[03:02] <jono> walt, where are you based?
[03:02] <walt> USA, near Philadelphia
[03:03] <jono> walt, cool, we are planning to get over to the US sometime in the near future
[03:06] <kapputu> hi all
[03:06] <kapputu> where is ogra
[03:06] <walt> Jono, if you come to the US, you should check out the TLA in Philadelphia
[03:06] <whiprush> ... and harpos in Detroit.
[03:06] <kapputu> what's TLA ?
[03:09] <jono> walt, TLA?
[03:09] <PuddPunk> three letter acronym
[03:09] <walt> theater of the living arts
[03:10] <jono> oh cool
[03:10] <jono> walt, well if you want to be in the US Seraphidian street team, let me know :)
[03:10] <kapputu> good one PuddPunk
[03:11] <PuddPunk> :D
[03:12] <whiprush> I'm a dork, I thought up Tom Lord's Arena.
[03:12] <whiprush> ...
[03:12] <Nafallo> I just changed from debian sarge to ubuntu warty on my server. I used aptitude for the dist-upgrade :-).
[03:14] <walt> some great bands perform there
[03:15] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, welcome aboard :)
[03:15] <jono> right I am off to bed
[03:15] <jono> later all
[03:15] <LinuxJones> jono, gnight :)
[03:15] <Tenniru> Um, I just manually installed a .deb of Opera and then removed the menu.
[03:15] <Tenniru> How do I remove the whole installation?
[03:15] <walt> later
[03:15] <Tenniru> So I can get the defaults back?
[03:15] <Tenniru> I know, I'm a blockhead.
[03:16] <whiprush> Tenniru: they have an apt repo you know, so you don't have to install by hand
[03:16] <newusr> testing
[03:16] <Tenniru> I know.
[03:16] <whiprush> probably built for debian, so ymmv
[03:16] <Tenniru> I just have a .deb that I used dpkg to install...
[03:16] <Tenniru> And I need to know how to remove it.
[03:17] <Tenniru> Because, well, I need that menu.
[03:17] <whiprush> dpkg -r blah
[03:17] <newusr> Hi all, I have a couple of questions re: ubuntu.  Can anyone help?
[03:17] <Tenniru> okay.
[03:17] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: thanks. now I switched all running systems to ubuntu, though the clients are re-installed :-).
[03:18] <Jaramin> I'm having a hard time installing on a white and blue G3, everything goes fine, then after the install is complete I reboot and get this: Starting Ubuntu...
[03:18] <Jaramin> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[03:18] <Jaramin> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init
[03:18] <Nafallo> finally my system uses an AMD64-dist again :-)
[03:18] <Jaramin> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[03:18] <Jaramin> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init
[03:18] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, you will love Ubuntu in a few days :)
[03:18] <xskoulax-> newusr: i'm sure someone here can
[03:18] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: I already do ;-).
[03:19] <LinuxJones> heh
[03:19] <Tenniru> Gah! It didn't work!
[03:19] <Tenniru> How do I get my menu back in Opera?
[03:19] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: my girlfriend wanted to re-install debian though :-P.
[03:19] <whiprush> by menu do you mean an icon of the app in your menu?
[03:19] <whiprush> or is the menu missing from the application or something
[03:19] <Tenniru> No, I mean..
[03:19] <Tenniru> The menu in the application.
[03:20] <Tenniru> I accidentially removed it.
[03:20] <whiprush> whoa.
[03:20] <Tenniru> How do I get it back?
[03:20] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: didn't like gnome, so I showed here universe so she could install kde again.
[03:20] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, Debian is my #2 distro and there is no #3 :)
[03:20] <newusr> OK, I've got a RH9 installation with RAID1 on all partitions (including root).  Will the Ubuntu install see these mdX devs and support them?
[03:20] <whiprush> oh, probably in the app itself, maybe right click on the toolbar?
[03:20] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: hehe, same. even though I loved gentoo a year ago :-P.
[03:21] <eL_RaNu> I have a problem, when i log in ubuntu in gdm, the splash screen of ubuntu frezee, here is the last line of var/log/gdm : Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[03:21] <Tenniru> Geh! It won't work!
[03:21] <eL_RaNu> any idea???
[03:21] <Tenniru> Is there any other relatively modern browser that has better rendering than FireFox?
[03:21] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: I always do get back to debian anyhow. And yes, I do count ubuntu to be debian :-P.
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, I tried Gentoo but it was not worth the time. If you have very specific task to do that it is great but, not worth the effort for a desktop system.
[03:22] <PuddPunk> Tenniru, no, i dont think so. Konq can render a few pages better, but i think firefox is the best
[03:22] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: I was running fluxbox at that time so... ;-)
[03:22] <LinuxJones> Nafallo,  good point :)
[03:22] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: before ubuntu I was using fluxbox with gnome- and kdelibs ;-)
[03:22] <LinuxJones> Nafallo,  I was running it when using KDE, 12 hours to complie a new release is retarded
[03:23] <PuddPunk> i run gentoo on my desktop, fits my needs really well. hobby system mostly, up to date etc...
[03:23] <Jaramin> Hmm, anyone here installed Ubuntu on a blue and white G3 with success?
[03:23] <PuddPunk> ubuntu on my laptop
[03:23] <hackeron> Hey, just installed ubuntu -- 1 problem: If choosing to fetch packages from internet, it fails to install many packages like X, etc :(
[03:23] <whiprush> Tenniru: it probably left a .opera or something in your home dir. try moving it out of the way and see if it resets itself to the defaults.
[03:23] <Tenniru> It's there.
[03:23] <Tenniru> Okay.
[03:23] <whiprush> Tenniru: also, here's a good apt and dpkg reference: http://intrepid.perlmonk.org/apt-dpkg-brief-ref.html
[03:23] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: I agree. gentoo unstable is really eating up the cpu ;-)
[03:23] <xskoulax-> newusr said: OK, I've got a RH9 installation with RAID1 on all partitions (including root).  Will the Ubuntu install see these mdX devs and support them?
[03:23] <hackeron> also, max resolution is 1024x1024 -- I'm use to 1600x1200 :(
[03:24] <whiprush> if you're unfamiliar with apt and dpkg you should probably keep that handy
[03:24] <Tenniru> Horray! I got it!
[03:24] <Tenniru> I have Ubuntu on a Dual USB iBook G3. Aside from the sleep screwup, it works fine.
[03:26] <Nafallo> damn, I want PPC to!
[03:27] <newusr> Does anyone have experience installing Ubuntu on a system with existing RAID1 partitions?
[03:29] <devolve> exploring the multiverse, trying to install transcode...
[03:29] <devolve> looks like i did fine, but I can't seem to link against it.  I think I pu5t it in the wrong place
[03:30] <altan> argh, many of my GNOME icons are now screwed up
[03:31] <devolve> i unpacked it to /usr/local/transcode-0.6.2 or whatever, did a ./configure , ./configure && make all , and then a make install
[03:31] <devolve> I don't think i installed it in my path correctly
[03:31] <devolve> or something
[03:31] <altan> i just installed one theme, switched back to human, then I rebooted, and now some of the icons are like the 404 icon
[03:31] <altan> on internet explorer, the white page with the red X
[03:31] <devolve> hmnmm... reinstall...?
[03:32] <hackeron_> hmm, also, the faq says run sudo apt-get install linux-686 -- but that says: E: Couldn't find package linux-686
[03:35] <Poyayan> who here has a 1600x1200 laptop?
[03:35] <PuddPunk> i wish!
[03:36] <PuddPunk> i have an 800x600 laptop :(
[03:36] <rvirani> how do I  install linux-wlan-ng?
[03:36] <rvirani> I want support for me DWL 122
[03:36] <hackeron_> Poyayan: well, my lappie is 1280x768 10" wide screen
[03:36] <Poyayan> my screen flickers for some reason when I have horizSync at 31.5-90 and vertrefresh at 60
[03:36] <rvirani> by the way those of you on the devel team, this is the best powerpc distro I have ever used :d
[03:36] <rvirani> you even got it working with my ibook
[03:36] <Poyayan> laptop screens only run at a refresh rate of 60 right?
[03:37] <rvirani> Poyayan, yeah
[03:37] <Poyayan> hackeron_ what do you have for you HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[03:37] <cef_work> jdub: found out what the ubuntu logo font is by any chance?
[03:38] <daniels> rvirani: try removing the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines altogether
[03:38] <Poyayan> well I've used linux for ages and over a year on this laptop and I've never had my screen flicker before
[03:38] <scopecrp> anyone successfully built firefox on warty?
[03:38] <unperson> Hi All.  I just installed Ubuntu and I have to say that so far I'm pretty impressed.  Install was quite painless and things seem to work very well.  At the least it's quite pretty.  I'm having some problems with the media players, though.
[03:38] <Nafallo> hmm, anyone running an ubuntumirror?
[03:39] <Poyayan> what problems unperson?
[03:39] <unperson> I'm actually normally a KDE person, so the apps are a bit new to me.
[03:39] <devolve> I found that adding the multiverse repository helped me immensely as far as media players are concerned
[03:39] <Poyayan> I should install mplayer
[03:40] <Nafallo> devolve: I added it when you mentioned transcode. thanks :-).
[03:40] <Poyayan> xine keeps messing up and giving me random blue-screens
[03:40] <Poyayan> anyway time to test something brb
[03:41] <unperson> First of all, is Totem only a video player, or is one of these "media players" that can also be used to play music?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> unperson: it's a media player
[03:42] <bob2> all "media players" are horrible, afaik
[03:42] <unperson> Ok, so when I try to play an mp3 with totem I get "Totem could not play 'file:///home/nickc/My Favorite Things - John Coltrane.mp3'.Failed to open; reason unknown"
[03:42] <ploum> I suggest that canonical donate some money to spreadfirefox.com in order to appears in the NY-Times ad
[03:42] <bob2> unperson: RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[03:42] <devolve> hey what is that debian-marillat mirror?
[03:42] <Nafallo> bob2: tried mplayer in consolemode? ;-)
[03:42] <bob2> Nafallo: for wma, yes
[03:43] <Nafallo> devolve: mplayer compiled for debian
[03:43] <bob2> and it's still a horrible player ;)
[03:43] <Poyayan> which player?
[03:43] <Nafallo> bob2: hehe, I love it though :-)
[03:43] <hackeron_> Poyayan: GRR, gnome-terminal keeps freezing, let me get some sane terminal emulator installed first
[03:44] <Poyayan> huh?
[03:44] <Poyayan> sorry I just got back
[03:44] <Poyayan> what are you doing?
[03:44] <Nafallo> bob2: right now the one thing I'm missing from x86 are those binary codecs :-P.
[03:44] <bob2> Nafallo: they're in marillat's repository, but they'll never be in ubuntu
[03:44] <bob2> it's not even legal to distribute them, afaict
[03:44] <Poyayan> hey are u2 talking about xine or mplayer?  or something else?
[03:45] <Nafallo> bob2: yepp, x86-binarys that is... I'm on amd64 :-).
[03:45] <bob2> ah
[03:45] <devolve> naffalo: is transcode in there?
[03:45] <Nafallo> Poyayan: mplayer :-)
[03:45] <Nafallo> devolve: yepp
[03:45] <Poyayan> well I've used both and I've had problems with the recent xines
[03:46] <Poyayan> and with xine you can't fast forward rapidly
[03:46] <devolve> naffalo, what distribution and section do i use ?
[03:46] <Poyayan> it jumps back to the start each time you try
[03:46] <devolve> --i use synaptic mostly, but i dont have to..
[03:46] <Nafallo> devolve: I don't. but in debian I was using testing main :-)
[03:47] <Nafallo> devolve: didn't multiverse work?
[03:47] <devolve> naffalo, are you on amd64
[03:47] <Nafallo> devolve: yepp
[03:47] <Nafallo> devolve: my lappy is :-)
[03:47] <devolve> multiverse doesnt have transcode
[03:47] <Nafallo> devolve: ahh, right. you needed transcode :-)
[03:48] <Poyayan> you wanna know how to crash totem anytime you want?
[03:48] <unperson> So due to IP concerns, pretty much by default one won't be able to play any popular multimedia formats in ubuntu?  I mean, without adding other stuff from non-official sources.
[03:48] <devolve> naffalo, i feel so close, I even compiled it myself but somehow I cannot link against it because i installed it in /usr/local/
[03:48] <bob2> unperson: patent-encumbered formats, yes
[03:49] <Nafallo> devolve: what are you trying to link?
[03:49] <unperson> bob2, Which pretty much encludes every popular one, right?
[03:49] <unperson> For sound and video, anyway.
[03:49] <bob2> unperson: depends how you define popular
[03:49] <lifeless> bob2: hey dude
[03:49] <bob2> but "most pirated files on p2p networks", yes.
[03:49] <bob2> lifeless: congrats!
[03:50] <Poyayan> ok I was wrong
[03:50] <lifeless> did you get my test email yesterday ?
[03:50] <unperson> bob2, Eh, well, say, used by more than 10% of the people on the net.  i.e. ogg vorbis doesn't qualify.
[03:50] <bob2> lifeless: jah
[03:50] <Poyayan> I can crash X entirely using totem
[03:50] <Poyayan> not just totem
[03:50] <unperson> bob2, Well, or in my case stuff I bought off emusic.
[03:50] <lifeless> then your email is bust, as I didn't get your confirmation
[03:50] <bob2> unperson: then yes
[03:50] <devolve> naffallo, i think i installed it wrong.  I extracted it to /usr/local/transcode-0.62/ then ran ./configure     ./configure && make all               make install
[03:51] <Poyayan> I know someone wants to try
[03:51] <devolve> like it said
[03:51] <kapputu> hey bob how are u doin
[03:51] <unperson> bob2, Ok.  I mean, it's not that hard to find stuff on other repositories, but I was curious if that was really the case.
[03:51] <daniels> Poyayan: what sort of video card do you have?
[03:51] <Poyayan> Geforce FX 5600 why?
[03:51] <devolve> but because my libraries are in /usr/local/lib/ i think that dvdrip cannot link to them
[03:51] <Poyayan> well actually Geforce FX Go 5600
[03:51] <bob2> unperson: the wiki page tells you exactly how to get them, and they're not in "other repositories", generally
[03:52] <keysersoze> anyone know this other keysersoze chap, who was here a minute ago?
[03:52] <Nafallo> devolve: ahh, well. debian-marillat got dvd::rip to :-)
[03:52] <keysersoze> i've got the nick registered, but he was using it
[03:52] <Poyayan> no idea key
[03:52] <Poyayan> maybe it was a ghost?
[03:52] <devolve> nafallo: i feel like i need to doover, but there is no uninstall script-- i think i should have tried it in /usr instead of /usr/local/
[03:52] <keysersoze> nope, I wasn't in this channel before
[03:52] <Nafallo> keysersoze: try /msg nickserv help set
[03:53] <devolve> Nafallo: well, debian-marillat doesnt have amd64 stuff
[03:53] <kapputu> how do I register my nick ?
[03:53] <Poyayan> hey whoever doesn't mind crashes X to test a bug please speak up
[03:53] <Poyayan> um crashing not crashes
[03:53] <Nafallo> devolve: ahh, you're on amd64 to :-P.
[03:53] <unperson> bob2, I was saying non-official.  BUt yeah, like I said, not too hard.
[03:53] <Nafallo> kapputu: /msg nickserv help
[03:54] <cef_work> someone needs to give that guy an amd64
[03:54] <devolve> Naffallo, i think i need to compile it myself.  but i need to put those libs where the debian dvdrip can find em...
[03:54] <cef_work> and a mac
[03:54] <Nafallo> devolve: or compile dvd::rip?
[03:54] <devolve> Nafallo: dvd::rip depends on transcode
[03:55] <Nafallo> devolve: btw, tried gtranscode?
[03:55] <devolve> depends on transcode
[03:55] <devolve> gtranscode does
[03:55] <kapputu> do you guys use the X-chat client that comes with Ubuntu or is there a better one ?
[03:55] <Nafallo> kapputu: I use gaim
[03:55] <PuddPunk> irssi is nice
[03:55] <devolve> Nafallo: how do you undo a make install?
[03:55] <PuddPunk> i hear there is a 0day floating round for irssi, watch yer back :)
[03:56] <Nafallo> devolve: dunno. rm -rfv /usr/local/*/*?
[03:56] <devolve> aha--> make uninstall!
[03:56] <PuddPunk> remote root
[03:56] <Nafallo> devolve: LOL
[03:57] <Nafallo> damn! I've erased my sources :-P.
[03:57] <daniels> PuddPunk: irssi does not run as root
[03:57] <Nafallo> daniels: that depends ;-)
[03:58] <Nafallo> daniels: I used it on gentoo-cds for example :-P
[03:58] <PuddPunk> daniels, thats true but i dont know much about it
[03:58] <binary_10> does anyone here have enemy territory running?
[03:58] <daniels> PuddPunk: if something does not run as root, then an exploit in it cannot give you root
[03:58] <whiprush> daniels: my X40 gets here next week!!!!!
[03:58] <devolve> ok, here goes, untarring into /usr, then trying again to configure, etc..
[03:58] <rvirani> how do I  install linux-wlan-ng?
[03:58] <rvirani> I want support for me DWL 122
[03:59] <kapputu> i luv ubuntu, I can do everything I can do in Windows
[03:59] <Nafallo> devolve: use /usr/src instead :-)
[03:59] <kapputu> a few issues but
[03:59] <kapputu> anyone want to help ?
[03:59] <Nafallo> kapputu: it does more than windows :-)
[03:59] <daniels> whiprush: nice :)
[03:59] <whiprush> just ask
[04:00] <PuddPunk> daniels, yeah, i think it was used with a priv esc exploit as well (not for irssi)
[04:00] <whiprush> daniels: yeah your blog post on the out-of-the-box workage pushed it over the edge.
[04:00] <PuddPunk> so what i really meant was remote exploitable, not remote root
[04:00] <whiprush> of course, the very next day they offered the 1.4Ghz P-M with it. :-/
[04:01] <Nafallo> hmm, so... noone holds an ubuntu-mirror? I need a new script for syncing :-).
[04:01] <jason_> Say I have a working prerelease version of Warty can I upgrade it fully to the final with out a final Warty CD?
[04:01] <jason_> can I do it through apt
[04:01] <jason_> ?
[04:01] <unperson> Hmmm...these issues with prioprietary media formats seem to be a real stumbling block for linux distos to make things "just work", since they generally can't include many plugins or codecs that are fairly universal.  I know Libranet's solution was to not include them but make easy automated systems for the user to choose to get them.
[04:01] <Nafallo> jason_: yes
[04:02] <daniels> whiprush: yeah, they started offering 1.4GHz about 5 days after I ordered mine
[04:02] <kapputu> yes unperson
[04:02] <kapputu> I'm having problems with sites that play music in a browser window having their own screwed up player
[04:02] <Nafallo> unperson: both yes and no. in gentoo you would only need to run emerge mplayer and you had everything :-P
[04:02] <MeAndU> i have installed mplayer-custom but if start from menu it just die out
[04:03] <jason_> well I ran synaptic and I hit reload and then I did a smart upgrade but it only upgraded 10MB of stuff
[04:03] <MeAndU> Is Mplayer broken in ubuntu
[04:03] <jason_> and I know there is more than that that has changed
[04:03] <Nafallo> kapputu: you need a flashplayer most probably
[04:03] <kapputu> nope
[04:03] <whiprush> daniels: I convinced my employer to snag it for me, so I can't complain.
[04:03] <kapputu> I have it
[04:04] <daniels> whiprush: nice!
[04:04] <kapputu> hi bob
[04:04] <MeAndU> Also I could not find win32 codecs
[04:04] <rvirani> kapputu, well as long as they generic I can probably help
[04:04] <Nafallo> kapputu: restarted your browser since you've installed it?
[04:04] <kapputu> yes
[04:04] <kapputu> www.musicindiaonline.com is one such site
[04:04] <Nafallo> jason_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then :-)
[04:04] <kapputu> if anyone can help me with it, it would be great
[04:04] <whiprush> daniels: how's the 3d performance? the bouncing cow isn't going to floor it is it?
[04:05] <kapputu> not that it matters much, but it's a pet peeve and haven't fixed it with any of the linux distros
[04:05] <Nafallo> MeAndU: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:05] <daniels> whiprush: with the i855, pretty poor, but you can do reasonable stuff on it
[04:06] <MeAndU> Nafallo, for the codec
[04:06] <whiprush> I'm not concerned about doom3, more like future gnome/Xorg candy.
[04:06] <kapputu> evolution is not starting
[04:06] <Nafallo> MeAndU: w32codecs are there.
[04:07] <jason_> I fixed the prob the sources were commented out in the apt.sources file
[04:07] <Nafallo> kapputu: I got 404 when I tried to listen. is that what you get?
[04:07] <jason_> no I am going to see nEkkid ppl when I log  in
[04:07] <jason_> lol
[04:08] <kapputu> no I get redirected to an ad
[04:08] <Nafallo> kapputu: have to be webmaster error.
[04:08] <kapputu> I mailed him
[04:08] <kapputu> no use
[04:09] <Nafallo> jason_: isn't it nice? :-)
[04:09] <jason_> no they are ugly ;)
[04:09] <Nafallo> kapputu: then /ignore the site?
[04:09] <kapputu> it's designed with the assumption that people coming to the site will use only windows
[04:09] <Nafallo> jason_: :-P
[04:09] <jason_> maybe if it was Jenna Jamison
[04:09] <kapputu> bstds
[04:09] <rvirani> IS THERE A HOWTO for installing software on ubuntu?
[04:09] <Nafallo> jason_: baah, mainstream :-P.
[04:09] <kapputu> I mostly could, but it's one of the very few sites that has the genre of music I listen to
[04:09] <Lathiat> rvirani: Use synaptic
[04:10] <rvirani> Lathiat, got any docs?
[04:10] <Lathiat> rvirani: its in Computer -> System Tools iirc
[04:10] <rvirani> and why snaptic?
[04:10] <Nafallo> rvirani: I think so. check the wiki for synapticshowto
[04:10] <Lathiat> rvirani: no but its not hard to figure out
[04:10] <Lathiat> rvirani: because its the package manager program...
[04:10] <Lathiat> rvirani: and it probably has docs if you go to its help menu, most programs do...
[04:10] <rvirani> couldnt find wlan
[04:11] <rvirani> Lathiat, sorry used to the console
[04:11] <Nafallo> rvirani: what are you trying to do? install wireless-tools?
[04:11] <thad> I cannot get Open Office to open docs on network shares.  Says the document isn't there.  Any idea why?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> because openoffice doesn't use gnome open
[04:11] <Lathiat> rvirani: well you can use the console if you want, but synaptic is easier
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> this isn't an optimum solution
[04:12] <Lathiat> rvirani: what are you trying to install?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> but if you use abiword
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> it will work
[04:12] <rvirani> support for my ... dwl122
[04:12] <rvirani> linux-wlanng
[04:12] <thad> Anyway to fix OpenOffice to use gnome open?
[04:12] <Lathiat> rvirani: umm
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> thad: no
[04:13] <Nafallo> rvirani: add the universe repository :-)
[04:13] <rvirani> just did that
[04:13] <rvirani> I think its going
[04:13] <thad> HrdwrBob:  Thanks!
[04:13] <rvirani> Im not one of those people who was brought up with X :D
[04:14] <rvirani> hrm it didnt ask me what kernel drivers to build...
[04:14] <Nafallo> rvirani: same here. I used wirus in the beginning of my computer career ;-).
[04:14] <cef_work> daniels: hey, you don't know what the ubuntu logo font is, do you?
[04:14] <MeAndU> If I install the w32codecs will it be used by all multimedia apps or just mplayer
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'sok :)
[04:14] <jdub> cef_work: will find out in uk morning
[04:15] <Nafallo> MeAndU: mplayer (if compiled with) and xine
[04:15] <cef_work> jdub: cool.. just trying to mock up a tshirt design, and it would help. *grin*
[04:15] <rvirani> stupid ibook
[04:15] <rvirani> USB ports to close together
[04:15] <Nafallo> AFAIK
[04:15] <jdub> cef_work: just use the eps
[04:15] <cef_work> jdub: erm, no, this is for a catch-phrase that would go below the logo..
[04:15] <cef_work> jdub: and I am using the eps btw. *grin*
[04:16] <MeAndU> I am still having problem with mplayer not starting in ubuntu any idea
[04:16] <jason_> now how do I get my nvidia drivers working again and don't tell me it is in the wiki im lazy ;)
[04:16] <Nafallo> MeAndU: compiled yourself?
[04:16] <cef_work> jdub: the other side of the tshirt uses a different font, so that's not an issue
[04:16] <mdz> rvirani: which chipset in the dwl122?
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> jason_: it's in the wiki in trivially short format
[04:16] <rvirani> was picked up
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <MeAndU> no from mutliverse i believe
[04:17] <jason_> ty
[04:17] <whiprush> jdub: was it you the other day that mentioned packaging ifolder in the future?
[04:17] <rvirani> mdz, its up
[04:17] <rvirani> I just got to do the wlan-ifconfig or whatever
[04:17] <kapputu> mplayer works great
[04:17] <mdz> rvirani: I'm interested
[04:17] <kapputu> ok I have a networking problem
[04:17] <Nafallo> MeAndU: ahh, don't know how they are compiled :-/
[04:17] <kapputu> any helpers ?
[04:17] <unperson> Does Ubuntu use OSS or ALSA sound by default?  Is it muted initially (like ALSA package sometimes is)?
[04:17] <mdz> kapputu: rule 1. don't ask about asking
[04:17] <rvirani> kapputu, whats the problem?
[04:17] <mdz> kapputu: just go ahead and ask :-)
[04:18] <mdz> unperson: OSS API, ALSA drivers
[04:18] <tylerwylie> all in all you were all just bricks in the wall -- name song win a cookie, be specific
[04:18] <kapputu> I have two routers at home, the ISP connects to one of them
[04:18] <mdz> unperson: the usual mixer levels are unmuted at boot
[04:18] <kapputu> and my router connects to the other one.
[04:18] <MeAndU> Nafallo, Do you mean i should compile my self and is it astright forward way
[04:18] <kapputu> I have an ethernet cable running from my roommate's room (where the main router is ) to the living room
[04:19] <kapputu> I use the wireless from my router (let me called router 2)
[04:19] <Nafallo> MeAndU: well, no. I just meant my thought of the problem was the wrong one :-P.
[04:19] <jason_> So does Mark
[04:19] <unperson> mdz, Ok thanks.  Hmm...I have to check a few more things, but so far no sound.
[04:25] <GotD0t> hey hiky
[04:25] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[04:25] <kapputu> hi gotdot
[04:25] <kapputu> I was going to explain a problem
[04:25] <GotD0t> have fun
[04:25] <kapputu> but I guess I got disconnected while I was explaining it
[04:25] <GotD0t> hahaha
[04:25] <GotD0t> network problem?
[04:25] <kapputu> yeah
[04:25] <kapputu> ironic !!
[04:26] <noisome> The CDs are 4.1?
[04:26] <kapputu> ok problem in brief,
[04:26] <noisome> that are coming out i mean... 4.1?
[04:26] <kapputu> router 1 - 192.168.0.1
[04:26] <kapputu> router 2 - 192.168.2.1
[04:26] <xip> Oh great.  Having some strange issues here.  Is there anyway to shutdown and restart all usb devices in linux?  I'm suddenly having issues getting all usb devices to work.
[04:26] <mdz> noisome: 4.10
[04:26] <noisome> k cool
[04:27] <kapputu> desktop connects to router 2
[04:27] <kapputu> laptop connects to router 1
[04:27] <kapputu> can't see desktop from laptop
[04:27] <noisome> are they going to allow the use nvidia 3d drivers by default?
[04:28] <GotD0t> why dont htey all connect to router 1
[04:28] <kapputu> router 1 is full
[04:28] <tylerwylie> you know what's wierd, thinking next day you are one day closer to death
[04:28] <Nafallo> hmm, there are noone sitting on a smooth script to rsync warty amd64 and i386 main and restricted locally with rsync?
[04:28] <GotD0t> haha
[04:28] <kapputu> for some reason the ethernet on laptop doesn't connect to router 2
[04:29] <kapputu> I'm thinking of changing the gateway on router 2 to be something in router 1's ip range
[04:29] <noisome> what kind of routers are you using?
[04:29] <kapputu> so router 2's gateway could be 192.168.0.25
[04:29] <unperson> Ok, so I'm a little confused.  I don't have any sound.  The OS definitely detected my soundcard and it looks like the correct drivers are loaded (I have and i810 and it's using snd_intel8x0) any ideas?
[04:30] <GotD0t> sound in what
[04:30] <noisome> did you turn on your speakers?
[04:30] <kapputu> what kind ?
[04:30] <noisome> yes, what kind?  manufa....  ?
[04:30] <unperson> noisome, Well, it's a laptop, so they're build in.  There are no hardware controls.
[04:30] <kapputu> one is a Belkin 4-port and other is a D-Link 3-port wireless
[04:31] <Nafallo> unperson: are the modem driver loaded?
[04:31] <MeAndU> when I run mplayer from terminal this is what i got and sorry for the mess Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[04:31] <unperson> My sound hardware, via lspci:  "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 03)"
[04:31] <MeAndU> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[04:31] <MeAndU> Reading config file /home/ubuntu32/.mplayer/config
[04:31] <MeAndU> MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.
[04:31] <tylerwylie> does anyone else go into spasms about halfway through the man cdrecord page?
[04:32] <unperson> Nafallo, I don't have a modem.  I do have a PCMCI NIC.
[04:32] <GotD0t> haha
[04:32] <GotD0t> yup tylerwylie
[04:32] <unperson> PCMCIA that is.
[04:32] <tylerwylie> GotD0t, i hate that manpage it needs to die
[04:32] <GotD0t> amen to that
[04:32] <kapputu> hey guys any suggestions ?
[04:33] <tylerwylie> GotD0t, i tried reading it about 3 times and i think i have a tumor now
[04:33] <kapputu> print it out and read it
[04:33] <Nafallo> unperson: oki, read earlier today about some problems if the i8x0m driver was loaded.
[04:33] <kapputu> if they cannot have bread, let them eat cakes
[04:34] <kapputu> sorry for sounding like that !
[04:34] <GotD0t> read that much of a hard copy kapputu?
[04:34] <GotD0t> kapputu that soudns familiar
[04:34] <kapputu> I read a lot GotDot
[04:34] <noisome> then how do i install nvidia 3d drivers?
[04:35] <kapputu> I love manuals but not the man program
[04:35] <Nafallo> hmm, the debian anonftpsync script should work, right?
[04:35] <xip> Anyone know why 10 seconds after gnome loads, my USB mouse quits working?  dmesg displays information like: "usb 2-2: control timeout on ep0in"
[04:35] <kapputu> html is better
[04:36] <ChibaPet> Oi.
[04:36] <kapputu> Ahoy Chiba
[04:36] <xskoulax> Oi!
[04:37] <ChibaPet> So, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, and two really unfortunate things happened. 1) It installed GRUB into my MBR, losing my ability to boot into NetBSD. 2) It seems to have neglected to ask me for a root password....... Anyone seen this second item before? Is there a default?
[04:37] <ChibaPet> (Pretty sleek looking, otherwise!)
[04:37] <GotD0t> cibapet there is no rot
[04:37] <Pizbit> ChibaPet: Ubuntu uses sudo
[04:37] <GotD0t> root*
[04:37] <ChibaPet> um
[04:38] <Lathiat> ChibaPet: Netbsd you can probably chainboot from grub
[04:38] <Lathiat> ChibaPet: not sure how, google.com/linux?
[04:38] <unperson> Nafallo, Heh, ok, so I sorta forgot for a moment.  The PCMCIA card is a modem/NIC combo.  I never use the former so I totally wasn't thinking about it.  What was the problematic module in question?
[04:38] <kapputu> what's netbsd good for ?
[04:38] <humprinch> hi all, i just switched from SuSE to Ubuntu, and i notice my laptop fan runs more often, although the temps are in the same range they were with SuSE. anything i can do to keep the fan from coming on so much?
[04:39] <ChibaPet> kapputo - lots of stuff :)
[04:39] <kapputu> like ?
[04:39] <Lathiat> it runs on like every archiecture in existance :P
[04:39] <ChibaPet> kapputo - like, my wireless card is supported under NetBSD.
[04:39] <Lathiat> well not quite, but nearly :P
[04:39] <Lathiat> ChibaPet: what cards that?
[04:39] <ChibaPet> But, anyway...
[04:39] <kapputu> TI ?
[04:39] <ChibaPet> NetGear
[04:39] <Lathiat> ChibaPet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:40] <ChibaPet> Thanks.
[04:40] <Nafallo> unperson: an integrated softmodem
[04:40] <Lathiat> stupid new internet connection at my school
[04:40] <kapputu> ok it runs on every arch, etc is fine, but why would you want to use it as a primary OS ?
[04:40] <Lathiat> took like 5 minutes to load that page to get the url
[04:40] <xip> Okay, does anyone know how to rescan for hardware changes?  None of my usb devices are showing up in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[04:40] <unperson> Nafallo, Ah, ok.  Not an issue then I guess.
[04:40] <Lathiat> kapputu: Why do you want to use linux as a primary os?
[04:40] <ChibaPet> kapputo - probably, years of using it exclusively have biased me. <shrug>
[04:40] <Lathiat> kapputu: i mean you can run X and everything etc on netbsd so itd be similar to linux
[04:40] <Nafallo> unperson: lsmod | grep i8 knows if it is ;-)
[04:40] <kapputu> ic
[04:40] <spikeb> alright this rocks
[04:41] <kapputu> how's the support for netbsd
[04:41] <ChibaPet> support? for...?
[04:41] <kapputu> I thought *BSDs were good for servers
[04:41] <ChibaPet> They're good for anything. I happen to be infatuated with Debian packaging lately.
[04:42] <unperson> Nafallo, Nah, I looked through lsmod earlier.  Nothing like that.
[04:42] <ChibaPet> I'm also infatuated with the idea of regular releases, which is why I've installed this over Sarge. :P
[04:42] <kapputu> I have a desktop which hangs up if I run Windows or X
[04:42] <kapputu> I want to run an FTP server on it
[04:42] <kapputu> I'll be sshing into that machine
[04:42] <unperson> The annoying thing is that I had my sound working fine with debian testing, so I'd expect it to work here too.
[04:43] <kapputu> so what would be a good option ?
[04:43] <kapputu> it already has debian on it
[04:44] <kapputu> I answered my own question ??
[04:44] <kapputu> :-)
[04:44] <spikeb> heh kapputu
[04:44] <tylerwylie> GotD0t, Possible syntax is: dev= scsibus,target,lun or dev= target,lun.  In  the  latter case,  the  CD-Recorder  has to be connected to the default SCSI bus of the machine.  Scsibus, target and lun are integer numbers.  Some  operating  systems or SCSI transport implementations may require to specify a filename in addition.  In this case the correct syntax for the device is:  dev=  devicename:scsibus,target,lun or dev= devicename:target,lun.
[04:44] <tylerwylie> doesn't that give you a headache?
[04:45] <GotD0t> tylerwylie: you have a scsi cd burner?
[04:45] <tylerwylie> no so i have to use scsi emulation too
[04:46] <GotD0t> tylerwylie: just do a link from your burner to /dev/cdrecorder for cdrdao
[04:46] <tylerwylie> GotD0t....
[04:47] <kapputu> is there a good tutorial (albeit not too hard) on how to setup a ssh server on debian ?
[04:47] <GotD0t> tylerwylie: isnt htat what you're doing?
[04:47] <GotD0t> tylerylie: cdrdao?
[04:47] <tylerwylie> GotD0t, no i'm using nautilus as a frontend to cdrecord
[04:47] <GotD0t> oh
[04:49] <ChibaPet> Mm, dselect.
[04:50] <tricky1> woohoo
[04:50] <tricky1> who wants to see my secksay Ubuntu Desktop?
[04:50] <benerb> can you use gstreamer to send sound to a remote ESD server?
[04:52] <tricky1> http://www.kc9fmj.com/linux.jpg
[04:52] <ChibaPet> Step 1: Installing xdm, twm, etc. Step 2: Purge GNOME, KDE, and other such infestations. Step 3: Make this desktop identical to my old one.
[04:53] <stuNNed_> just installed ubuntu for a friend and it set up two mixers, one oss one alsa, how can i get rid of the oss one?
[04:53] <ChibaPet> Is there a package for it, or is it built into your kernel, stunned?
[04:54] <tjousk> So, someone tells me I should try ubuntu...  I've used various distro's, but mostly debian.  how different is this?
[04:54] <benerb> i wish i knew that too...i have ALSA and OSS too
[04:55] <ChibaPet> bbias - mindlessly didn't run this client in a screen, and now I must restart X to see if xdm is taking over...
[04:56] <htpc> Who's feeling helpful today?! :D
[04:56] <Poyayan> I might be depending on the problem :)
[04:57] <stuNNed_> benerb, so you're having the same issues?
[04:57] <Poyayan> hmm maybe he didn't like that
[04:57] <Rene_S> Woot, found the place.
[04:57] <kapputu> hi stuNNed
[04:57] <Poyayan> what place Rene?
[04:57] <Rene_S> This place
[04:57] <htpc> Sorry about that, I crashed Xchat.
[04:57] <stuNNed_> hi kapputu
[04:57] <htpc> Anyone wanna help me with a synaptic issue?
[04:57] <Poyayan> np
[04:57] <kapputu> hi Rene, Rene Russo by any chance ?
[04:58] <Poyayan> what kind of issue htpc?
[04:58] <Rene_S> Im an idiot when it comes to using Xchat, no and you wish :)
[04:58] <stuNNed_> two mixer showing up in gmix for some reason, one oss, one alsa, no sound
[04:58] <kapputu> anyone here have used audacity ?
[04:58] <htpc> Poyayan,  When I add the source for Freevo and try to install Mplayer it says that it wont install 3 packages and it wont say why, so I tried to manually install them then it says "Depends: _packagename_ but _versionnumber_ is installed."
[04:59] <htpc> for about 3 packages.
[04:59] <davidjj> newbie to Linux here, but computer user for 20 years so savvy. problems with install on older iMac (G3). anyone wan to try to help?
[04:59] <Poyayan> does Freevo have those 3 packages htpc?
[05:00] <htpc> They do, I can manually isntall them.
[05:00] <stuNNed_> how do i remove oss mixer?
[05:00] <htpc> And I have.
[05:00] <htpc> stuNNed, you dont, unless you want to remove ALSA oss emulation (which amkes alot of older/alsa-incopadible programs hate you.
[05:00] <Poyayan> hmm to be perfectly honest I have no idea htpc
[05:01] <htpc> Poyayan, Do you have Mplayer on your computer?
[05:01] <davidjj> do you reformat your drive first? if so, format for UNIX or HFS+? one partition (it's an old iMac so I'm gonna put Ubuntu solely on it)
[05:01] <Poyayan> yeah
[05:01] <Poyayan> I used debian-marillat as the repo
[05:01] <htpc> Poyayan, Can i have that line from the sources.list file please?
[05:02] <Poyayan> one sec
[05:02] <stuNNed_> htpc, i have no sound for some reason, works find in windows on same computer
[05:02] <stuNNed_> htpc, card is detected ok
[05:02] <htpc> stuNNed_ Must be unsupported sound device, what sound card do you have?
[05:02] <Poyayan> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:02] <htpc> Oh.
[05:02] <kapputu> did you try alsa start ?
[05:02] <Rene_S> son of a motherless ..... apollon froze my whole desktop :(
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: what does lsmod say (put it in pastebin)
[05:03] <stuNNed_> htpc, nvidia nforce2 ultra
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> does it say no sound device
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> or does it not play
[05:03] <kapputu> what card is it ?
[05:03] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, ok
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> oh... nforce
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> that's why
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can get drivers
[05:03] <kapputu> did you try running volume control ?
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> my personal recommendation is getting am emu10k1 based board
[05:03] <kapputu> oops you figured out the prob ?
[05:03] <U-235> ok, i registered at the ubuntu site, when will i get my CD??
[05:04] <Poyayan> did it work htpc?
[05:04] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, http://pastebin.com/114776
[05:04] <htpc> mplayer-586:
[05:04] <htpc>   Depends: libartsc0 but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[05:04] <htpc>   Depends: libggi2 but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[05:04] <htpc>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[05:04] <htpc> Thats what it's been saying :\
[05:04] <htpc> I actually had that source already.
[05:04] <htpc> Freevo website recommended it for MPlayer.
[05:05] <jdub> U-235: see topic
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> hm, modules look fine
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> have you checked the mixer
[05:05] <htpc> See what I mean Poyayan, but "verison number" is to be installed.
[05:05] <htpc> it's already installed.
[05:05] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, let me check
[05:05] <Poyayan> I see one sec let me check up on that
[05:05] <htpc> Poyayan, Appreciate it.
[05:05] <kapputu> ok anyone tell me why I'm in this chat room 5 hours a day
[05:06] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, in volume control i have two tabs
[05:06] <htpc> kapputu, Cuz you love it.
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: sucker for punishment
[05:06] <kapputu> I can't get out of this room !!
[05:06] <htpc> HrdwrBoB, Better answer. You win.
[05:06] <kapputu> I love Ubuntu !!
[05:06] <kapputu> that's an understatement !!
[05:06] <kapputu> I'm obsessed with it
[05:06] <htpc> Ubuntu is a good Debian-Based o/s
[05:06] <htpc> :D
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> I love ubuntu also, however I'm somewhat more .. restrained :)
[05:06] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, one, 'Realtek ALC655 rev 0 [OSS Mixer] ' and one 'NVidia nForce2 [Alsa Mixer] '
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> and have lots of things to do like, work :)
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: ok, adjust the alsa mixer
[05:07] <kapputu> I'm coming from a have-to-use-Windows-but-hate-it kinda background
[05:07] <carger314> ubuntu is ok. it has its flaws
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> turn up the appropriate levels
[05:07] <htpc> I love windows.
[05:07] <Poyayan> you're using command-line apt-get right htpc?
[05:07] <htpc> XP is a great O/S :D
[05:07] <htpc> Poyayan, Nope, Synaptic.
[05:07] <kapputu> I find it more comfortable to use than FC, RH or Mandrake
[05:07] <tylerwylie> htpc, umm
[05:07] <htpc> Poyayan, Should I use apt-get instead? I'm really not famiiliar with it.
[05:07] <kapputu> htpc, I prefer Windows 95
[05:07] <tylerwylie> i'm gonna give Ubuntu a try this weekend guys !!
[05:08] <htpc> 95 was good, in 95
[05:08] <kapputu> oh those bluescreens... don't I love them...
[05:08] <htpc> I hate RPMs
[05:08] <Klowner2> anyone switch from gentoo or debian to ubuntu, and if so, what was the selling point?
[05:08] <htpc> Dependancies in RPMs bug me
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> Klowner2: it Just Works
[05:08] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, still now sound, but he is using an spdif card to give surround sound
[05:08] <htpc> although right now i'm having similar issues with APT
[05:08] <kapputu> yep htpc
[05:08] <kapputu> same thing
[05:08] <tylerwylie> htpc, RPM in SUSE with yast (handles dependancies) is great,
[05:08] <htpc> so I think i'll just shoot myself.
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> it's like debian only it's got the latest stuff
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> it's a win-win
[05:08] <kapputu> I had a lot of trouble getting MPlayer to work on RH 9
[05:08] <htpc> tylerwylie, Sounds like fun :D
[05:08] <htpc> FC1 doesnt have mp3 support :\
[05:09] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, win-win it is!
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: I'm not sure you will be able to use SPDIF out
[05:09] <Rene_S> Note to self: Don't try running Apollon with all 3 networks at once.
[05:09] <spikeb> neither does FC2 or 3 htpc
[05:09] <htpc> Ugh. lol
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> htpc: neither does the ubuntu CD
[05:09] <kapputu> Rene_S,what's Apollon ?
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> htpc: MP3 is patent encumbered
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> you should use oggs where possible
[05:09] <Rene_S> Its a file sharing app
[05:09] <spikeb> htpc, you can get rpms for mp3 support in rhythmbox and xmms at freshrpms.net
[05:09] <spikeb> htpc, for FC
[05:09] <twisted_steel> or flac :)
[05:09] <kapputu> for linux ?
[05:09] <htpc> HrdwrBoB, Oh, I thought it did. I never had a problem playing music, however most of mine is OGG maybe I neevr tried an mp3
[05:10] <htpc> spikeb I know :D
[05:10] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, two mixers stated above aren't a problem?
[05:10] <spikeb> :)
[05:10] <kapputu> how do I record streaming music ?
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: no, I have the same thing, tbh I'm not 100% sure why that happens
[05:10] <spikeb> mp3 is patent encumbered, therefor a non-us repository should be set up.
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: mplayer -dumpstream
[05:10] <Rene_S> Yeah, its actually kde based so you need to install some of the headers and that but i allows you to use Fastrack, Gnutella and OpenFT
[05:10] <spikeb> and java should go in multiverse
[05:10] <spikeb> heh
[05:10] <kapputu> hmm the music is being streamed in realplayer
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> spikeb: well AU is now going to get the laws similar to US only worse
[05:11] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, yeah
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> we're getting SHAFTED
[05:11] <benerb> has anyone ever used gstreamer to send music to a remote ESD sound server?
[05:11] <tylerwylie> is there a website that shows Ubuntu's package database?
[05:11] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, is there a way to get rid of the oss mixer?  or am i dangling in the wind?
[05:11] <spikeb> gotta have the non-us/au server somewhere safe
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> our current government controls both the lower and upper house
[05:11] <htpc> I used apt-get and got info that makes sence now:
[05:11] <htpc> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:11] <htpc>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[05:11] <htpc>                Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installe
[05:11] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, yup, i read about that. you're gonna get the hurt put on
[05:11] <kapputu> hmm what do I do with my MP3s ?
[05:11] <unperson> Eh, I guess for tonight I'll have to settle for a pretty but silent Ubuntu.  Night all.
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: possibly, but it might simply be the same mixer, but OSS/ALSA
[05:11] <htpc> I need newer versions but yet Synaptic syas they're up to day
[05:11] <kapputu> convert them to oggs ?
[05:11] <htpc> *date
[05:11] <spikeb> i have sound! :)
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: yes
[05:12] <kapputu> oh it's sick not to have sound
[05:12] <spikeb> i was without sound for like two months heh
[05:12] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, could it be i'm missing gstreamer alsa plugin?
[05:12] <htpc> How do I use apt-get to update a package?
[05:12] <spikeb> apt-get upgrade packagename
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: depends, best way to test is to play a wav with raw pcm data
[05:12] <Pizbit> htpc: It may be that there are no updated packages in the ubuntu respositories
[05:13] <kapputu> ok how do I record music that's being streamed using realplayer ?
[05:13] <carger314> anybody here get their Linksys wireless cards running in ubuntu without a hitch?
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: mplayer -dumpstream
[05:13] <Klowner2> wish I was closer to a CD-R, I'd install it
[05:13] <htpc> Pizbit,  How can I get a repo with the updated ones?
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: mplayer -dumpstream url://
[05:13] <htpc> Pizbit, and will they work?
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> carger314: what chipset
[05:13] <kapputu> what does that do
[05:13] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, failed to contruct pipeline with gstreamer-properties when switched to alsa...?
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: hrm.. that should work, but OSS should work too
[05:14] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i'll try xmms, been trying rb
[05:14] <carger314> HrdwrBoB: Linksys WPC54GS (SpeedBooster)
[05:15] <carger314> or do i have to use ndiswrapper with that to get it to work?>
[05:15] <Rene_S> I can play mp3's used xine and made sure i had the gstreamer-mad thing installed
[05:15] <Poyayan> you know I have no idea what's wrong
[05:15] <Poyayan> it worked for me before
[05:15] <ChibaPet> Rehi.
[05:15] <ChibaPet> xdm running. happiness ensues.
[05:16] <Pizbit> htpc: 'deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib' in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and install mplayer, then remove this line and apt-get update, warning it *can* break stuff but hopefully not:)
[05:16] <kapputu> wb ChibaPet
[05:16] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, not working in xmms either
[05:16] <htpc> why remove and reupdate?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: tried it with different xmms output?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> xmms should work with alsa/oss/esd
[05:16] <ChibaPet> Funny, though - the xdm package is taken straight from Debian. It says "Debian GNU/Linux" and has the Debian logo, and such. :P
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> ChibaPet: if it's from universe, it IS the debian package
[05:17] <Pizbit> htpc: Because if they stay there then they might be used later and is more likely to break something, especially if you try a dist-upgrade
[05:17] <ChibaPet> Ah. Hm.,
[05:17] <htpc> Yay it's installig
[05:17] <htpc> Thanks Pizbit
[05:18] <kapputu> HrdwrBoB, mplayer -dumpstream dint work
[05:19] <kapputu> anyone tried audacity ?
[05:19] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, working thanks :)
[05:19] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, just no center channel
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: excellent!
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: there is probably no support for it
[05:20] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, you da man!  definitely win-win :D
[05:20] <htpc> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[05:20] <kapputu> hey stuNNed, congrats on getting sound working
[05:20] <htpc> Hm.
[05:21] <stuNNed_> kapputu, thanks man
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> htpc: if you get the library from marillat
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> it will work
[05:21] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i can browse windows computers through network but i can't auth by user/password, what do i need?
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> hrm.. it should work
[05:22] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:22] <htpc> HrdwrBoB, How can I be sure it's from that source?
[05:22] <Rene_S> arggg
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> htpc: when you run apt-get it will show you
[05:23] <Gmail> Rank  	Distribution  	H.P.D*
[05:23] <Gmail> 1 	Mandrakelinux 	1625<
[05:23] <Gmail> 2 	Fedora 	1338>
[05:23] <Gmail> 3 	SUSE 	1161<
[05:23] <Gmail> 4 	Ubuntu 	1128<
[05:23] <Gmail> 5 	Debian 	928
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> also if you use dpkg/apt-get/synaptic it will tell you
[05:24] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i get: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: server".
[05:24] <kapputu> need to get ubuntu up
[05:25] <kapputu> hi maximus decimus
[05:26] <htpc> I set marrilat as the only source and it says theres no source for libdvdread3
[05:26] <xskoulax> Gmail: Ubuntu > Debian :)
[05:26] <htpc> so uh.
[05:26] <htpc> "\
[05:26] <htpc> :\
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: ... thanks for that
[05:26] <Poyayan> what's up htpc?
[05:26] <kapputu> why xskoulax
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> htpc: you want libdvdcss
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> sorry
[05:26] <htpc> oh..
[05:26] <xskoulax> kapputu: it actually installed on my boxen with out problems for 1
[05:27] <Gmail> wait untill it refersh tomz and ubuntu will be 1250+
[05:27] <xskoulax> s/with out/without
[05:27] <Poyayan> libdvdcss is for playing encrypted dvds
[05:27] <kapputu> good same thing fr me
[05:28] <kapputu> why
[05:28] <daniels> Gmail: please stop pasting in the distrowatch stats every day.
[05:28] <kapputu> hi matthew
[05:29] <kapputu> how's ur ubuntu
[05:29] <stuNNed_> thanks to all bbbl
[05:29] <matthew> question re: universe, thanks
[05:29] <xskoulax> it never installed for me even with several attempts, this on the other hand has be plain sailing, and its more recent
[05:30] <Poyayan> I use slackware and ubuntu
[05:30] <carger314> ubuntu hates me... it doesnt like my cdrom drive
[05:30] <Poyayan> I prefer slackware in terms of organization of system files
[05:30] <kapputu> on same machine Poyayan?
[05:30] <matthew> kapputu: perlmagick has a broken dependency; perlmagick is in universe, but it has a -ubuntu1 in the release #
[05:30] <Poyayan> well I did kapputu
[05:31] <Poyayan> but now I run just ubuntu and windows
[05:31] <matthew> kapputu: is perlmagick supported and/or provided by an ubuntu maintainer...?
[05:31] <kapputu> I have no idea matthew
[05:31] <kapputu> I'm new myself to debian distros
[05:32] <Poyayan> slackware fonts are quite bad and dropline only ruins the stability that slackware provides for me
[05:32] <matthew> i converted from debian/unstable
[05:32] <Poyayan> anyway I'm off to bed
[05:33] <ernie> my brother just accidentally upgraded this relatively new ubuntu install with debian testing packages (the n00b...). is there a simple way to reinstall the nice stable ubuntu packages?
[05:34] <matthew> the imagemagick packages got upgraded to -ubuntu1.1 versions the other day, but perlmagick got left behind and the dependency broke
[05:34] <Rene_S> I give up, dont know why my program crashes when listing ..... crap
[05:35] <kapputu> what program Rene_S
[05:35] <Rene_S> Apollon, I think its listing songs too fast
[05:35] <kapputu> I'm still dreaming you are Rene Russo :-)
[05:35] <spikeb> any ut2004 players?
[05:35] <Rene_S> or I cant handle 2500 Metallica songs at once
[05:36] <Dekkard> Rene_S get rid of the st. anger songs, that should fix it
[05:36] <Rene_S> Hehe, you should see my wife drive when thats playing
[05:37] <Rene_S> Like Satan with a vendetta
[05:37] <Dekkard> hmm
[05:37] <Dekkard> i dunno about that album..
[05:37] <Rene_S> So glad cars arent equipped with machine guns
[05:37] <kapputu> oh Rene ur a guy ??
[05:38] <Rene_S> EIther that or a funky lesbian
[05:38] <Gmail> daniels: people like it
[05:38] <Rene_S> My mom thought the name was funny at the time, she drinks.
[05:39] <daniels> Gmail: people who need to see those stats, can go to distrowatch themselves; please don't paste it into the channel all the time.  it's hard enough to follow all the scrollback without stuff like that.
[05:40] <Gmail> daniels: it's once a day and we will have a vote who wants it pasted vote now? who every doesnt also vote now!
[05:40] <kapputu> hey where's everyone ??
[05:40] <kapputu> I'm learning a lot by hanging around here..
[05:41] <Dekkard> this is a puzzling distro
[05:41] <Rene_S> How so ?
[05:41] <daniels> Gmail: great, even more scrollback.  if people want it, they can get it from distrowatch.  please stop pasting it in here.
[05:41] <Dekkard> the installer, its ultra simple.. like ark.. or even simpler..thatn that and the various FC releases.. but ya still need to fiddle with post install...
[05:42] <matthew> welcome to debian derivatives
[05:42] <Gmail> yes there is normaly 300+ people here where is everyone?
[05:42] <GotD0t> running from you
[05:42] <Dekkard> some may have gone back to their last distro..
[05:42] <Dekkard> that does happen
[05:42] <Rene_S> Yeah, i find all the distro's around debian carry some kind of after install baggage
[05:42] <mdz> I don't think I've seen 300 here yet
[05:42] <Dekkard> i ran fc1 for a week once..
[05:42] <Dekkard> dont tell anyone
[05:42] <spikeb> Rene_S, religious/political/legal baggage
[05:42] <Gmail> daniels: why should i stop people like to know and don't goto distrowatch daily let alone off irc
[05:43] <Gmail> mdz: we have
[05:43] <mdz> Dekkard: what sort of fiddling did you need to do?
[05:43] <Dekkard> hmm
[05:43] <daniels> Gmail: people want to know, other people find it inconvenient and that it puts them out.  i've asked you nicely, please just stop it.
[05:43] <Dekkard> mdz i need to figure out how to get gtkam to recognize my camera like it did under slack
[05:43] <Rene_S> Spikeb: I was referring to post install stuff you end up doing with Debian distro's
[05:43] <Dekkard> and i need to figure out how to get gcombust to recognize my  cdrw
[05:44] <spikeb> Rene_S, i was referring to having to seek out a million repositories to get anything installed. :)
[05:44] <Rene_S> Hehhe, you run Fedora eh ?
[05:44] <spikeb> i have, and ubuntu's just as bad :)
[05:44] <mdz> Dekkard: gthumb and nautilus-cd-burner generally work out of the box; if they don't, it's a bug
[05:44] <kapputu> compare Fedora, ubuntu
[05:44] <Dekkard> gthumb is fine
[05:44] <GotD0t> mdz but you cant make audio cds with nautilus-cd-burner
[05:45] <Dekkard> ah.. another thing..
[05:45] <spikeb> since when?
[05:45] <Rene_S> I have gotten used to running all over the internet. Windows was good training
[05:45] <Dekkard> i installed lame.. and sound juicer still wont let me rip and encode mp3
[05:45] <spikeb> don't
[05:45] <Dekkard> so i got rid of it andinstalled grip
[05:45] <mdz> Dekkard: it's gstreamer0.8-mad you need
[05:45] <spikeb> if you're ripping, don't use mp3
[05:45] <mdz> not lame
[05:45] <spikeb> if you're ripping, there's no reason not to use a free format, like ogg or flac
[05:45] <mdz> ...unless you're targeting a mass-market portable player
[05:46] <Dekkard> spikeb my portable mp3 player doesnt play .ogg
[05:46] <spikeb> ahhh
[05:46] <spikeb> forgot about those
[05:46] <Rene_S> Nor do I
[05:46] <Dekkard> only one s that do i think are i river
[05:46] <kapputu> nor do I
[05:46] <Rene_S> makes the music at the gym painfull on the ears
[05:46] <spikeb> you can get others to play it if you hack with em
[05:46] <spikeb> heh
[05:46] <spikeb> at them, not with them
[05:47] <Dekkard> i mean all in all.. i think this is a good distro.. it seems peppy an all..
[05:47] <Rene_S> Ok, if i get hacked by a mp3 player or a watch I am turning off my electricity
[05:47] <spikeb> heh
[05:47] <Dekkard> and its young.. i think it should smooth out in a year or so
[05:48] <Dekkard> im wondering how it would install on a lappy ...
[05:48] <Rene_S> Only distro i found peppier than this one was Yoper
[05:48] <Dekkard> Rene_S"prelinking"
[05:48] <spikeb> since i'm knowledgable enough to seek out the stuff to play proprietary formats, ubuntu does well for me
[05:48] <kapputu> i installed on my roommate's (has never used Linux in his life) desktop
[05:48] <kapputu> din't recognize his soundcard
[05:48] <spikeb> woah
[05:48] <kapputu> and he thinks Linux is screwed
[05:49] <spikeb> been a long time since i heard that complaint about a desktop
[05:49] <spikeb> heh
[05:49] <aspro> Ahoy, does anyone know if ubuntu will care if i modify the XF86 config file? i think i read somewhere about it not touching it after you change it?
[05:49] <xskoulax> kapputu: your they guy with the electrical engineer for a room mate right?
[05:49] <kapputu> but he is happy that he doesn't have spyware running on his computer
[05:49] <kapputu> yep xskoulax
[05:49] <spikeb> aspro, it won't care a bit
[05:49] <kapputu> you ahve a good memory
[05:49] <xskoulax> ahh
[05:49] <ChibaPet> kapputu - have him try NetBSD. Excellent hardware support.
[05:49] <kapputu> it's an old soundcard
[05:49] <aspro> Thanks
[05:49] <kapputu> Intel 440 BX on board sound card
[05:49] <Gmail> CRAP! can someone tell mirror.isp.net.au not to delete half time apt reposory
[05:49] <Rene_S> ouch, thats almost a classic
[05:50] <Dekkard> it recognized my sis onboard sound
[05:50] <kapputu> aah Sis
[05:50] <kapputu> I had that graphics card back when I was 17
[05:50] <spikeb> haha
[05:50] <kapputu> and installed Redhat 5 ??
[05:50] <kapputu> or earlier
[05:50] <spikeb> i have a NON onboard SiS video card heh
[05:50] <kapputu> and it wouldnt detect my graphics card
[05:50] <spikeb> sitting in a box
[05:51] <kapputu> and I dint want a text-based interface
[05:51] <spikeb> sis video support was crap until xfree 3.3.6 heh
[05:51] <Rene_S> Im sure somewhere someone is running an XT
[05:51] <Dekkard> i got two pentium 200's sitting on a coffee table
[05:51] <kapputu> I needed X only for the web and I couldnt get it
[05:52] <spikeb> 256 colors of greatness
[05:52] <kapputu> nothing worked spike
[05:52] <kapputu> I used to spend hours on that thing
[05:52] <spikeb> heh
[05:52] <spikeb> brings back memories of my first linux computer
[05:52] <Rene_S> I worked for a place that saved old Mac's the all in one kind for a guy who made fishtanks outta them
[05:52] <spikeb> half hte hardware didn't work, so i replaced it with even older, more crappy hardware
[05:52] <spikeb> heh
[05:53] <Dekkard> maybe ill dump this and get an old NeXT cube....
[05:53] <Dekkard> not reallly
[05:53] <spikeb> i wouldn't
[05:53] <spikeb> they're expensive heh
[05:54] <Dekkard> yeah.. but nextstations are not  tha tbad
[05:54] <Dekkard> werent the cubes like 10 grand?
[05:54] <kapputu> I bought a used HP Pavilion XL 756
[05:55] <spikeb> yeah they were about that much new
[05:55] <kapputu> it freezes when I use Windows or X
[05:55] <Dekkard> gotta check my spam
[05:55] <kapputu> planning to use it for my FTP server
[05:55] <Dekkard> i gotta install thunderbird.. evolution gives me gas
[05:55] <spikeb> heh
[05:56] <kapputu> welcome back Nafallo
[05:56] <kapputu> any good recommendation for a FTP server
[05:56] <Nafallo> kapputu: thanx :-)
[05:56] <Nafallo> kapputu: vsftpd
[05:56] <kapputu> it'll be used to serve mp3s to say 10 or 20 ppl at a time
[05:56] <kapputu> no uploads
[05:56] <kapputu> it has only one config file and no man page
[05:57] <Nafallo> are we supposed to add bugs for multiverse att bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[05:57] <kapputu> I'm looking for a good tut for ssh too
[05:57] <kapputu> debian comes with a ssh server ?
[05:57] <Nafallo> kapputu: openssh-server
[05:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:58] <kapputu> is it part of the base system ?
[05:58] <Nafallo> kapputu: yepp
[05:58] <kapputu> I need to set that up actually
[05:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:59] <kapputu> I'm trying to understand how X works ...
[05:59] <jason_> has anybody got x.org to work?
[05:59] <Nafallo> pool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/mozilla-mplayer_2.66-2_amd64.deb should depend on mplayer-amd64 also :-)
[05:59] <kapputu> Nafallo, you got a minute ?
[05:59] <Nafallo> kapputu: yepp
[06:00] <Nafallo> noone seems to answer anyway :-P
[06:00] <kapputu> suppose I ssh into machine1 and open up xemacs, do I need to have X running on the other machine
[06:00] <kapputu> i mean x server
[06:01] <Nafallo> think so. why not using emacs?
[06:01] <kapputu> I'm used to xemacs
[06:01] <fsc> what's the diffrerence between vim-gnome and vim-gtk?
[06:02] <Nafallo> well, you COULD ssh -X xemacs :-)
[06:02] <kapputu> hmm  I think I din't put it properly
[06:02] <defendguin> is anyone using NetworkManager?
[06:02] <kapputu> machine1 can't use X, it'll be a development server (playtool)
[06:02] <kapputu> or a FTP server
[06:03] <kapputu> I need to set that up from my laptop
[06:04] <Nafallo> well, xapps use x-server for sure :-P.
[06:04] <kapputu> I want to open up xemacs on machine1 through ssh on laptop
[06:04] <deebee> Where can I get packages for Ubuntu?
[06:04] <kapputu> so I need to have x-server running on my laptop and not on machine1 right ?
[06:04] <Nafallo> deebee: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:04] <deebee> thanks Nafallo
[06:05] <Nafallo> kapputu: if you want to use ssh -X you need x-server on both of them
[06:05] <Nafallo> deebee: np
[06:06] <kapputu> if I use a window manager, machine1 freezes
[06:06] <kapputu> can I run a x-server without using a window manager
[06:06] <kapputu> I mean I don't want one to run by default
[06:06] <Nafallo> don't use a wm then?
[06:06] <kapputu> that's the project for the weekend
[06:07] <Nafallo> *laugh* :-)
[06:07] <kapputu> I understand
[06:07] <Nafallo> my project have to be cleaning and sorting :-)
[06:08] <kapputu> but this involves formatting machine1, installing ubuntu or debian, setup ssh server and x-server first
[06:08] <kapputu> and then setup a ftp-server
[06:08] <Nafallo> hehe
[06:09] <ChibaPet> Hm.
[06:09] <kapputu> and I get diverted very easily
[06:09] <ChibaPet> Can someone tell me what this indicates? Message follows...
[06:09] <kapputu> if I start reading something, I'll read it fully forgetting the work at hand
[06:09] <ChibaPet>  Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0,1)"... failed (this is not fatal)
[06:10] <ChibaPet> Should I assume that grub will not boot from this partition?
[06:10] <ChibaPet> The subsequent "install" step succeeded.
[06:13] <Dekkard> mondo?
[06:13] <Gmail> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=251020&p=1
[06:13] <dieman> He then finished a sword that he had been working on for several days, Tate said. When he returned, he struck the 40-year-old victim with the sword in the neck area, nearly decapitating him.
[06:13] <dieman> The suspect fled the scene but later returned. When police arrived, he was waiting there, drinking a beer.
[06:13] <dieman> Witnesses told the police the suspect was interested in "fantasy board games."
[06:13] <dieman> still, yikes
[06:13] <dieman> ack
[06:13] <Gmail> page 2 of that thread say ubuntu is now mirrored
[06:13] <dieman> misfire
[06:13] <dieman> wrong chan
[06:13] <Gmail> i am adding it to the wiki
[06:13] <ChibaPet> bbl
[06:14] <Gmail> dieman: i am in the right channel
[06:14] <dieman> Gmail: yeah, im in the wrong chan for pasting that
[06:14] <dieman> thought i had a different channel loaded up here
[06:18] <moon> Could use some help. I can't seem to get my sound to work. I have a SB Live. emu10k1 is loaded.
[06:18] <bobdude> I'm using Ubuntu, trying to set it up on a network that uses NIS for authentication and has NFS-mounted home directories.
[06:18] <bobdude> NIS is working great.
[06:18] <mdz> bobdude: glad to hear it
[06:18] <bobdude> But when I use a home directory on the NFS, instead of getting the usual "Applications / Computer / ..." bar on top and the "Show Desktop / [Apps Running]  / ..." bars, I just get two big blank bars.
[06:18] <bobdude> It's very sad.
[06:19] <bobdude> What version of GNOME is in testing?
[06:19] <bobdude> Weirdly, I get something similar trying to get GNOME from Testing working on a stock Testing box.
[06:19] <bobdude> With the same NIS/NFS setup.
[06:19] <paulproteus> I'm actually paulproteus, but I was using a temporary user named 'bob' whose $HOME is local rather than on NFS.
[06:19] <paulproteus> mdz, any ideas?
[06:20] <paulproteus> It's totally crazy.  I tried moving all files (including dot-files) to a subdirectory of the NFS user's $HOME, but that didn't help.  Which made no sense at all to me.
[06:20] <jason_> how do I get mp3s working in Rythym box?
[06:20] <paulproteus> jason_, It's on the Wiki under RestrictedFormats.
[06:20] <mdz> paulproteus: does it work if you use the same home directory locally?
[06:22] <moon> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:22] <paulproteus> Be right back; just found the NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS option in GDM, and I've made that false and
[06:22] <paulproteus> going to try that.
[06:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:23] <deebee> Uhm. How can I install .deb files?
[06:23] <Nafallo> mdz: I recogize your nick from the mailing-lists owners. you might now if I should report a bug for multiverse on bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[06:24] <mdz> Nafallo: we would prefer that you don't
[06:24] <mdz> we have no way to separate them from bugs against supported packages, currently
[06:24] <mdz> so it makes it more difficult to keep track of our bugs
[06:24] <Nafallo> mdz: okey, then where to report it? :-)
[06:25] <mdz> Nafallo: those packages are unsupported by Ubuntu
[06:25] <mdz> you can post something in one of the forums or mailing lists
[06:25] <Gmail> on mirror.isp.net.au resyncing now due to disk failure
[06:25] <Gmail> thats a VERY lonh resycn
[06:26] <Nafallo> mdz: hmm, oki. I'll mail the maintainer :-).
[06:26] <Gmail> what the are syncing with them self??
[06:26] <moon> If I select Volume Control from Applications/Multimedia/Volume Control it comes up with 2 tabs eMicro 28028 OSS Mixer and Sound Blaster Live! [Alsa Mixer]  is it normal to get 2?
[06:27] <twisted_steel> moon: I have 2 tabs show up for my audigy
[06:27] <twisted_steel> moon: and sounds works fine
[06:27] <mdz> Gmail: resyncing a RAID volume, I expect
[06:28] <paulproteus> mdz, No luck.
[06:28] <paulproteus> I also tried setting "NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS=false" in gdm.conf.
[06:28] <mdz> paulproteus: you tried using the directory locally?
[06:28] <paulproteus> Then I rm'd all the dot-files in /home/paulproteus (on NFS), did /etc/init.d/gdm stop , /etc/init.d/gdm start.
[06:29] <paulproteus> No, I'll do that right away, although it seem superfluous.
[06:29] <paulproteus> Be right back.
[06:30] <moon> hmm thanks. I'm at a loss here. I know the sound card works. Alsa mixer is not muted. /dev/dsp is there. root priviledge doesn't help and emu10k1 modules are loaded.  Anybody have any other ideas?
[06:30] <Gmail> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/warty_outdate.txt is outdated it self
[06:30] <dustin_> hey guys quick question
[06:30] <Gmail> yes
[06:30] <dustin_> whats the default root password?
[06:31] <Gmail> wowly molly http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html
[06:31] <twisted_steel> dustin: none
[06:31] <Gmail> dustin_: read the faq
[06:31] <twisted_steel> dustin: use sudo :)
[06:32] <Gmail> dustin_: ubuntu use sudo you can set a root password if you want
[06:32] <Gmail> root untill you set its password is un usable
[06:33] <Gmail> what from haory can be installed?? it looks like each and every file is package is here: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html
[06:34] <twisted_steel> I'm seeing a strange bug in firefox with the default install, perhaps someone can reproduce it
[06:34] <twisted_steel> open firefox, then your downloads window, then double right click on an item
[06:34] <twisted_steel> it segfaults for me
[06:41] <dustin_> how do i make the root password, can i get an example?
[06:43] <twisted_steel> dustin_: should be able to do something like - sudo passwd root
[06:44] <dustin_> swweet thanks
[06:47] <paulproteus> Same breakage if that directory is local.
[06:47] <paulproteus> This makes no sense to me, since the contents of the directory is nothing.
[06:48] <paulproteus> Well, used to be nothing, except that now GNOME's put stuff in there.
[06:48] <paulproteus> One thing that is different is that the directory /home/paulproteus is owned by paulproteus:users on NFS, and paulproteus:paulproteus on the local one.
[06:49] <paulproteus> Let me try setting it to paulproteus:paulproteus for the local copy of the empty NFS directory.
[06:49] <moon> Why do you need to set the root password? While I don't want to discuss the merits of having a root password or using sudo for root priviledge... if all you want is to get a root prompt: > sudo bash
[06:49] <paulproteus> (You with me, mdz?)
[06:50] <paulproteus> Well, be right back.
[06:52] <Lathiat> gah still wont go
[06:52] <paulproteus> mdz, even after setting /home/paulproteus to be owned by paulproteus:paulproteus still gives the crazy broken GNOME.
[06:53] <Gmail> any one want to see my ubuntu art please join #ubuntu-art as i dont want to spam here
[06:53] <wm_eddie> There's no audio cd burner in Ubuntu universe?
[06:53] <paulproteus> Hey, wm_eddie :)
[06:53] <Lathiat> nn   
[06:53] <wm_eddie> paulproteus: yo
[06:53] <paulproteus> wm_eddie, xcdroast is in universe, isn't it?
[06:54] <wm_eddie> ew...
[06:54] <jdub> wm_eddie: k3b?
[06:54] <paulproteus> wm_eddie, cdrecord? ;)
[06:54] <wm_eddie> My roommate is the one who needs it.
[06:54] <paulproteus> mdz, Allo?
[06:55] <wm_eddie> lets see if xcdroast is any better than last time
[06:55] <paulproteus> k3b is very good, for what it's worth.
[06:55] <wm_eddie> yeah, k3b is awesome.
[06:55] <mdz> paulproteus: sounds like the problem has nothing to do with NFS
[06:56] <wm_eddie> hmm 75 megs...
[06:56] <wm_eddie> shikatta ga nai...
[06:56] <paulproteus> mdz, I agree[, sadly] .
[06:56] <wm_eddie> I always said k3b would be the one thing I'd install qt for...
[06:56] <paulproteus> Perhaps it's something about our group memberships....
[06:57] <twisted_steel> perhaps a reboot will fix firefox
[06:59] <wm_eddie> wow... k3b doesn't work too well...
[07:00] <paulproteus> mdz, I just tried lowering the MINUID and MINGID in /var/yp/Makefile.  No luck from that.
[07:00] <wm_eddie> But wow it starts up fast.
[07:00] <paulproteus> wm_eddie, missed what starts up fast.
[07:00] <wm_eddie> k3b
[07:00] <paulproteus> Ah.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> less than a second...
[07:01] <wm_eddie> in Gentoo it took about 3 minutes...
[07:01] <wm_eddie> in all seriousness.
[07:01] <paulproteus> Did I mention lately that Gentoo sucks?
[07:01] <paulproteus> Maybe you have a fast hard drive and aren't using a 2.5GB hand-me-down slooow one. ;)
[07:01] <Pizbit> paulproteus: Nah, do it now:)
[07:01] <wm_eddie> there's no GTK2 music cd burning app?
[07:04] <paulproteus> mdz, if it changes anything, the UID for NIS user is about 650.  That's less than 1000, the usual Debian default minimum.
[07:04] <aspro> Has anyone got dual monitors using a Nvidia card working?
[07:05] <paulproteus> As I think I mentioned, I set /var/yp/Makefile to have MINGID and MINUID be 500.
[07:12] <rvirani> hey all
[07:12] <rvirani> I got ubuntu on my mac
[07:12] <rvirani> how do I right-click?
[07:13] <wm_eddie> rvirani: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-20.9139534142/view?searchterm=apple
[07:14] <rvirani> wm_eddie, thanx dude
[07:14] <rvirani> I wanna develop JSP stuff on my ibook :d
[07:14] <rvirani> this thing rocks esp with wifi and linux
[07:14] <rvirani> wm_eddie, lol I cant get to the link cause I cant right click lol
[07:14] <wm_eddie> Some of the Ubuntu devs use powerbooks I hear.
[07:14] <wm_eddie> f11 and f12 simulate right and middle click
[07:15] <wm_eddie> not in that order I think...
[07:15] <daniels> there are a few powerbooks among the developers
[07:15] <rvirani> I know you can set pbuttonsd to do it cause I did it in gentoo but ...
[07:15] <wm_eddie> is pretty much all it says.
[07:15] <daniels> the other popular laptop is the thinkpad x40
[07:15] <rvirani> ahh
[07:15] <jdub> although
[07:15] <daniels> one random dude has an x300
[07:15] <rvirani> Im glad you got the ATI patch in
[07:15] <jdub> the X300 is 7.5 times better than the X40
[07:15] <wm_eddie> daniels: And it seems none use a Thinkpad 600E (I have sound problems)
[07:15] <daniels> rivwhich ati patch?
[07:16] <daniels> er
[07:16] <daniels> rvirani: ^^
[07:16] <rvirani> daniels, well there was some wierd patch required for the ibook
[07:16] <daniels> we have lots and lots of ati patches ;)
[07:16] <rvirani> I found it ounce on gentoo and Xorg worked, after that I couldnt find it so I gave up on gentoo
[07:16] <rvirani> I searched the forums for hours
[07:16] <daniels> jdub: deep down, you know you want an x40
[07:16] <rvirani> then I thought hey ubuntu guys seem to put in the effort.... so I downloaded ppc and it worked!
[07:16] <jdub> nah, no touchpad :)
[07:17] <daniels> jdub: true dat
[07:17] <rvirani> x40 is that a stinkpad?
[07:17] <daniels> rvirani: yes, one of the ultraportables
[07:17] <daniels> mine is 1.47kg
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> x40 is <3
[07:17] <wm_eddie> My 600E kicks your new x40 asses!
[07:17] <wm_eddie> pII baby!
[07:18] <rvirani> wm_eddie, sweet
[07:18] <rvirani> wm_eddie, what are the specs
[07:18] <daniels> wm_eddie: i used to have one, always worked fine with alsa
[07:18] <rvirani> actually my IBM P75 tri-hommed router beats all of you!
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[07:18] <wm_eddie> blazing fast 300Mhz PII, 6gig HD! and almost 300 megs of RAM. :)
[07:19] <rvirani> Aptiva
[07:19] <rvirani> my IBM Aptiva
[07:19] <aspro> Anyone have a dual monitor setup here?
[07:19] <rvirani> nice little desktop
[07:19] <rvirani> aspro, at work :D
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> I threw my P133 router in favour of a wrt54gs
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> aspro: yes
[07:19] <rvirani> I used to have it on my linux box too
[07:19] <wm_eddie> daniels: Yeah, it worked find with Suse, but something is wrong this time I don't know what... I keep getting Device not found or Busy errors.
[07:19] <aspro> Use it with ubuntu?
[07:19] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, lame, not good packet filtering and port forwarding and redundant DNS and ....
[07:19] <daniels> wm_eddie: try booting with pci=noacpi and noapic
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> rvirani: it runs linux.
[07:19] <wm_eddie> daniels: ok will do
[07:19] <paulproteus> aspro, you might find #nvidia useful, too.
[07:20] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, can you put iptables on it?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> IT.
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> RUNS.
[07:20] <rvirani> can you do the stuff manually?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> LINUX.
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> like
[07:20] <wm_eddie> damn, there went my phone. 5 feet onto the floor.
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> I am loogged in as root
[07:20] <paulproteus> wm_eddie, "We apologize for the inconvenience." :(
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> I use it as I would any other linux machine
[07:20] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, duh I know
[07:20] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, can you like login and stuff?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> openwrt.org
[07:20] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, nice!!!
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> 8mb flash
[07:20] <rvirani> wooah I want one :D
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> 32mb ram
[07:20] <rvirani> as long as I can SSH into it
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> yes you can
[07:21] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB, sweet ass
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> and it's worth a piddly $155 AUD
[07:21] <rvirani> whoa!
[07:21] <rvirani> Im giddy
[07:21] <Kaloz> hehe
[07:21] <aspro> HrdwrBoB, do you run your 2 monitors with ubuntu?
[07:21] <rvirani> is it the latest linksys?
[07:21] <wm_eddie> I also need to install Ubuntu 4.10 on this laptop. I'm running the preview...
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> aspro: yes
[07:21] <paulproteus> HrdwrBoB, I can ssh into *your* WRT54G? ;)
[07:21] <rvirani> aspro, if its got Xorg xinerama should be in there
[07:21] <Kaloz> HrdwrBoB: anyway, the asus wl500gx will be nicer
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> paulproteus: you could if it wasn't sitting on my desk here in a 192.168 network for testing :)
[07:22] <Kaloz> HrdwrBoB: imagine the wrt54gs with 2x usb2 ports ;)
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> Kaloz: nice
[07:22] <aspro> HrdwrBoB, could you throw me the relevant section of XF86Config-4?
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> I don't need 2 usb ports tyhough :)
[07:22] <mbb> wm_eddie: wondering what sound your 600 uses? my 390x has odd sound problem too (esssolo-1)
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> aspro: hangon a tic
[07:22] <aspro> HrdwrBoB, thanks :)
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> http://bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au/XF86Config-4
[07:22] <Kaloz> HrdwrBoB: it can come handy for an nfs stuff... and if you do some developing on the wrt, it's way fun to have a full blown linux distro on it :)
[07:23] <wm_eddie> mbb: It has a strange version of the CS4610
[07:23] <wm_eddie> that doesn't work with the CS46xx driver.
[07:23] <wm_eddie> I have to use it in an ISA compatibility mode.
[07:23] <wm_eddie> That's built into the sound card.
[07:23] <mbb> mine works *if* a nice or wireless is plugged into pcmcia. otherwise, garbled, slow sound.
[07:24] <rvirani> wm_eddie, can you throw me that url agian
[07:24] <mbb> have tried a variety of kernel parameters, no luck. but haven't filed a bug report yet either.
[07:24] <wm_eddie> it's lost...
[07:24] <Kaloz> mbb: irq routing problems? acpi? :)
[07:24] <wm_eddie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-20.9139534142/view?searchterm=apple
[07:24] <wm_eddie> got it.
[07:25] <wm_eddie> daniels: I still get the same error... :(
[07:25] <mbb> yeah, gotta be irq prob of some kind. older machine, gotta user acpi=force for shutdown and battery stuff to work.
[07:25] <daniels> wm_eddie: bong
[07:25] <wm_eddie> grr ok I'm going to install 4.10
[07:25] <rvirani> wm_eddie, that url says use F11 and F12
[07:26] <rvirani> its not working
[07:26] <rvirani> must be mapped on a different mac keyboard
[07:26] <mbb> tried various irq's for the sound, no difference. another 390x user reports same thing.
[07:26] <rvirani> wm_eddie,  how do I trap the keyboard keymap
[07:26] <mbb> also just found that the audio mixer has tabs for both alsa and oss, maybe related to the problem.
[07:26] <wm_eddie> uhh... that's a good question for somebody who knows about keymaps :) I have no idea...
[07:27] <mbb> but I'm open to suggestions for how to proceed next...
[07:28] <tableist90> anyone know where i can change splash screen? i can't find it
[07:29] <Burgundavia> salut all
[07:29] <joel_p> Anybody finding that warty iso images fail as "corrupt" during install?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> joel_p: my rc had no probs, no I cannot really help you
[07:31] <rvirani> wm_eddie, no workie
[07:31] <rvirani> hehe alright
[07:31] <rvirani> I remember the command, maybe the gentoo docs will have it
[07:32] <joel_p> hmm....  any good way to install from an ISO image mounted on the hard drive?
[07:33] <wm_eddie> joel_p: If that ISO was written directly to a partition.... maybe... probably not.
[07:33] <joel_p> might try loopback fs
[07:34] <tylerwylie> hmm
[07:34] <tylerwylie> in my brand new ubuntu installation
[07:35] <wm_eddie> Installs Ubuntu again.
[07:45] <Gmail> Apache 1.3.33 Released
[07:45] <will_> hey everyone, I have a question for anyone willing to help me. I'm installing Ubuntu right now, and am having a problem with it running unusually slow. My linux level is newbie, anyone have the patience to help me?
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> will_: applications -> system tools -> system monitor
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> have a poke around in that
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> and see if you can determine something that's using your resources
[07:46] <will_> I'm in the install process right now
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> how is it running unusually slow if it's installing
[07:47] <will_> I downloaded a 24 MB package, took 2 mins, which is fine, but to install it takes like 20 mins!
[07:47] <Gmail> WTF
[07:47] <Gmail> will_: are you using gentoo?
[07:49] <will_> Ubuntu
[07:49] <Gmail> will_: is your cpu on sleeping mode?
[07:49] <will_> I've used gentoo, I don't think it's compiling, I don't think it's in sleep mode
[07:49] <HrdwrBoB> will_: so you have ubuntu installed
[07:49] <HrdwrBoB> you're using synaptic to install a package
[07:49] <will_> I'm in the install process now
[07:49] <will_> how long does it usually take?
[07:49] <stuNNed> is there a way to get a later version of rhythmbox?
[07:49] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes, apt-get install rhythmbox
[07:49] <ernie> does anyone know where to find more documentation on routing tables, im new to linux and i think i screwed up my routing table, im going through a router
[07:49] <tableist90> HrdwrBob: do u know how i can change the splash screen in ubuntu?
[07:50] <HrdwrBoB> ernie: they are relatively simple
[07:50] <Lathiat> ernie: if you just down and up your interface itl reset to defaults
[07:50] <Lathiat> ernie: so go into network settings make sure its all setup and then do an ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 as root and it should fix it all up?
[07:50] <HrdwrBoB> tableist90: computer-> system configuration-> login screen setup
[07:50] <Gmail> will_: perl which is 30MB took 10s to install
[07:51] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, latest is 0.8.8, latest in ubuntu's repo's is 0.8.5 ?
[07:51] <Gmail> tableist90: goto ubuntu-art.org read the faq you need to do some gconf hacking
[07:51] <joel_p> ok.. turned out my CD drive is flaking....
[07:51] <tableist90> oh oki
[07:51] <tableist90> thanks Gmail
[07:52] <will_> how long does it take to install Ubuntu?
[07:52] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: thats wrong if if he hasnt add it to the options
[07:52] <jdub> mdz: || -> | :-)
[07:52] <will_> Gmail: how long did it take you?
[07:52] <joel_p> after booting, alt-f2'd over to another screen and unmounted the cd, then pluged in my (non-bootable) usb cd to continue
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: huh?
[07:52] <Gmail> will_: 10seconds
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: that's the default
[07:53] <will_> Gmail: I mean to install the distro, the second stage?
[07:53] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: if he want to add new ones ... ubuntu-art.org explains it
[07:53] <Pizbit^> will_: Depends a lot on cpu and hard drive speed, all that unpacking and installing to disk:)
[07:53] <Poyayan> which file do I edit to make the toshiba modules load up during startup?
[07:53] <Gmail> will_: to do a whole ubuntu install once i am in console too 45s
[07:53] <Pizbit>  /etc/modules
[07:54] <Pizbit> Gmail: Wow, how do you unpack so much gnome is such a short amount of time?
[07:58] <twisted_steel> did anyone try to confirm that firefox bug of mine while I was gone?
[07:58] <Poyayan> ok cool thanks Pizbit
[07:58] <Gmail> Pizbit: i got a sata hdd it went at 150Mbit/s
[07:58] <ernie> Lathiat: it still doesnt work after running that command, it says no working leases in persistent database, which is weird because i can log into my router and i beleive it assignd me an ip
[07:58] <Gmail> who is using hoary like me?
[07:58] <will_> I guess I'll wait till it installs completely before complaining more, it just looks like it'll take the whole night
[07:58] <Pizbit> Gmail: There's no way you unpacked ~1GiB in 45s :)
[07:58] <Pizbit> Er, that's the unpacked size isn't it?
[07:58] <Gmail> Pizbit: i didnt install everything
[07:58] <Lathiat> ernie: That means the DHCP isntw orking, umm
[07:58] <Gmail> i installed about 400MB of stuff
[07:58] <Pizbit> twisted_steel: What bug?
[07:58] <ernie> my routing table is completely empty
[07:58] <Lathiat> ernie: yes, because it could not get an address from yoru router
[07:58] <rvirani> GRRr
[07:58] <Gmail> err the offical apt repsonory is SOOOO slow
[07:58] <rvirani> my computer is going crack
[07:58] <rvirani> how do I drop to console from X on a mac!
[07:58] <mdz> Gmail: I get about 3 megabits from it
[07:58] <rvirani> this is pissing me off
[07:58] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: if you double-right-click on an item in the downloads menu of firefox, it segfaults
[07:58] <Gmail> 22KB/s
[07:58] <Lathiat> rvirani: ctrl+alt+f1?
[07:58] <rvirani> showkey just kept going berzerk
[07:58] <Lathiat> rvirani: maybe an apple key instead of alt or something?
[07:58] <rvirani> Lathiat, nope
[07:58] <Gmail> mdz: i am in australia
[07:58] <Pizbit> twisted_steel: ...and the reason you'd be double *right-cliking*?:)
[07:58] <Gmail> and mirror.isp.net.au reports a hard drive failur
[07:58] <will_> rvirani: what are you trying to do?
[07:58] <Lathiat> Gmail: so get over it and use mirror.pacific.net.au or ftp.uwa.edu.au
[07:58] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: no reason, tried to get some info on the file, but clicked extra times :)
[07:58] <Gmail> and i guess only the offical mirror has hoary already
[07:58] <Gmail> Lathiat: LOL pacific blocks anyone not using there internet service
[07:58] <HrdwrBoB> their
[07:58] <Nafallo> how to change gnomes splash screen, or where can I read about the task?
[07:58] <Gmail> Lathiat: non of them are in the wiki
[07:58] <Lathiat> Gmail: No they don't, you suck
[07:58] <jdub> Nafallo: in the FAQ
[07:59] <Gmail> Nafallo: goto ubuntu-art.org and read there faq
[07:59] <mdz> Gmail: mirror.pacific.net.au seems to be quite up to date
[07:59] <pdx6> hi, I just installed ubuntu on a Toshiba Portege 3500 and while sound seems to be playing, I have no audio
[07:59] <Gmail> Lathiat: they did when i was using debian
[07:59] <pdx6> the mixer is not muted either
[07:59] <Lathiat> Gmail: Works fine for me...
[07:59] <Gmail> mdz: do they have hoary?
[07:59] <mdz> Gmail: yes
[08:00] <Gmail> Lathiat: well my ip is banned from there isp server from even before i was on a static ip
[08:00] <Gmail> mdz: is it w/o errors?
[08:00] <Lathiat> Gmail: maybe its banned for a reason :P
[08:00] <mdz> Gmail: surely you're joking
[08:01] <Gmail> mdz: no i am not
[08:01] <Gmail> they banned iinet and 'node user from access there stuff too
[08:01] <mdz> Gmail: I meant about hoary
[08:02] <Gmail> mdz: the took out the hoary is not ready to use stuff
[08:02] <Gmail> that means its ready
[08:02] <jdub> heh
[08:02] <mdz> Gmail: who are they? :-)
[08:02] <Gmail> --- mdz has changed the topic to:
[08:02] <jdub> Pizbit: neither did we ;)
[08:02] <mdz> Gmail: that was me
[08:02] <Gmail> i guess you took it out
[08:03] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: did you give it a try perchance?
[08:03] <Gmail> so its usable now
[08:03] <Pizbit> twisted_steel: I use a very recent nightly and the download manager extension and nothing is in there:)
[08:03] <Gmail> mdz: if its not ready why take it out!>?!?!?!?!?!?!
[08:03] <Pizbit> So I can't test it heh
[08:04] <Pizbit> Gmail: Calm down:P
[08:04] <twisted_steel> aww
[08:04] <mdz> Gmail: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html
[08:04] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: well I shall put something into the bugzilla and go from there
[08:05] <Pizbit> twisted_steel: Search first:)
[08:05] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: I have, at least on the ubuntu bugzilla and came up empty
[08:05] <Pizbit> Ah, try the firefox one
[08:05] <Gmail> so the merge has finished
[08:06] <twisted_steel> ok I shall
[08:06] <Gmail> us it usable
[08:06] <Pizbit> Gmail: If you want something usable, don't use it.
[08:07] <Gmail> when was the last time one of those mirrors sync with ubuntu responsory
[08:07] <jdub> ROCK ON HOARY HEDGEHOG!
[08:07] <Gmail> Pizbit: i dont care about backage i know howto fix it
[08:07] <jdub> (good morning freedom lovers.)
[08:07] <jdub> Gmail: the merge hasn't finished
[08:07] <Pizbit> Gmail: Then why not find out the hardway?:)
[08:07] <Gmail> it know if it stuff up i need to do a pin reset ....
[08:07] <Gmail> jdub: then why did mdz remove it from the topic?
[08:08] <jdub> because it's ready for general testing
[08:08] <jdub> that doesn't mean the merge has finished
[08:08] <Gmail> it should of only been removed it the merge is finished
[08:08] <Gmail> ahhh so it also complete
[08:08] <Pizbit> er, oops
[08:08] <Gmail> lol
[08:08] <Pizbit> Didn't hit up-arrow enough
[08:09] <jdub> no, now that hoary is dogfoodable (which has nothing to do with the merge), it's ready to test
[08:09] <jdub> the merge itself is not complete
[08:09] <Pizbit> Do I need a dog to test?
[08:09] <Gmail> jdub: i used experiMENTAL and now howto fix my system
[08:10] <Gmail> as long as there is on half done rm -r script then i'll be okay
[08:10] <stuNNed> is there unstable repo for warty?
[08:10] <Gmail> so has any other mirror sync with the offical one in the paste with mins
[08:11] <twisted_steel> Pizbit: nothing that I can find in mozilla's bugs
[08:11] <jdub> stuNNed: no, warty is the ubuntu stable release
[08:11] <jdub> stuNNed: hoary is the development branch
[08:11] <jdub> stuNNed: we've just announced that it's ready for developers and hardcore testers to start testing
[08:11] <Gmail> since mdz took it out a few min ago
[08:11] <mdz> yes, it was QUIETLY AND SUBTLY announced
[08:12] <visor> does anyone know if someone got paid for polishing debian/gnome and making ubuntu?
[08:12] <jdub> visor: yes
[08:12] <dewey> hmmm where is the hoary beta?
[08:12] <HrdwrBoB> visor: quite a few people got paid :)
[08:12] <Gmail> visor: i got paid a free ubuntu cd
[08:12] <visor> jdub: uhmm i see, ubuntu is the best god damn gnome distro, nice nice
[08:12] <jdub> dewey: it's not 'beta', it's very much 'alpha' -> see the ubuntu-announce list
[08:12] <cef_work> jdub: is there plans to release updates to warty in, say, 2-3 months? eg: with all the security updates.
[08:12] <stuNNed> jdub, hoary repo's? ;)
[08:13] <dewey> I am a hardcore tester with mdk also.
[08:13] <jdub> cef_work: updated isos? maybe, we've discussed (read: argued) about it before
[08:13] <visor> i cant realize yet playing files trough gnome-vfs with totem, and actually works
[08:13] <cef_work> jdub: cool.. could be useful imho, but then again, that's mho, not anyone elses
[08:13] <Gmail> jdub: but winblows is alway in alpha so people who made the swap will not notice a diffrents
[08:14] <mdz> cef_work: we'll release an updated warty in 6 months, called 'hoary' :-)
[08:14] <cef_work> Gmail: enuff with the windows bashing already
[08:14] <cef_work> mdz: heh
[08:14] <Gmail> dewey: are you from dewy.uni.cc ?
[08:14] <visor> i would even pay for the disk's, just for the sake of keeping the good job :)
[08:14] <jdub> Gmail: that's a fallacy
[08:14] <pastyhermit> alright
[08:14] <pastyhermit> I really need to get my right click mapped
[08:14] <stuNNed> jdub, do you know where i can get rhtyhmbox 0.8.8 for warty?
[08:14] <jdub> pastyhermit: tried F11 and F12?
[08:14] <jdub> stuNNed: you can't
[08:15] <jdub> stuNNed: what's in warty is what's in warty
[08:15] <cef_work> Gmail: no need to bash windows, ok? It does a good enough job of it all by itself, and it just makes Linux users sound like bigots.
[08:15] <dewey> jdub: ok where do I look for announcement of hoary alpha?
[08:15] <dewey> Gmail: nope
[08:16] <Gmail> ok
[08:16] <mdz> dewey: the ubuntu-announce mailing list
[08:16] <Pizbit> Hehe, in gmail searching for an email "  1 - 20 of hundreds Older 	"
[08:16] <stuNNed> jdub, rhythmbox dies on large importing of mp3's, should i file a bug report with warty or rb's bugzilla (gnome) ?
[08:16] <dewey> mailing list hmmm I thought I was on that but none  have arrived for me e-mail account?
[08:17] <Gmail> ok how heavy is hoary-changes's mailing list? more than a few meails a day?
[08:17] <visor> stuNNed: same happened to 0.84 maybe an upgrade? i remember i had that issue with fedora and i upgraded rhythmbox and then everything worked fine
[08:17] <pastyhermit> jdub: yeah
[08:18] <pastyhermit> jdub: this is an ibook
[08:18] <pastyhermit> I think they mapped for a powerbook
[08:18] <stuNNed> visor, ok thanks
[08:19] <dewey> pastyhermit: what ibook do you have?
[08:20] <dewey> jdub: so where can I download hoary test from?
[08:20] <jdub> dewey: see the announcement on ubuntu-announce
[08:20] <pastyhermit> dewey: 1Ghz
[08:21] <pastyhermit> bbias
[08:21] <Gmail> ??
[08:22] <Pizbit> Lots of ubuntu mailling lists :)
[08:22] <Gmail> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
[08:22] <Gmail> Pizbit: i hitted a bug :(
[08:22] <Pizbit> UHm, so?
[08:22] <Gmail> i will paste the trace back here
[08:22] <Gmail> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:22] <Gmail>   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
[08:22] <Gmail>     main()
[08:22] <Gmail>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 114, in main
[08:22] <Gmail>     subscription_cancel(mlist, doc, cookie)
[08:22] <Gmail>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 312, in subscription_cancel
[08:22] <Gmail>     userdesc = mlist.pend_confirm(cookie)[1] 
[08:22] <Gmail>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 141, in pend_confirm
[08:22] <Gmail>     assert self.Locked()
[08:22] <Gmail> AssertionError
[08:22] <Gmail> opps
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> please do not paste in channel
[08:23] <Gmail> i was ment to pastebin SORRY
[08:23] <Pizbit> Gmail: Crikey, you'd think with all the ranting about the contents of the topic you'd actually read it.
[08:23] <Gmail> i forgot sorry
[08:23] <dewey> jdub: ok I found it so chnage updating to hoary by hand :) kewl
[08:23] <cef_work> stuNNed: how big was the mp3?
[08:25] <caleb_> anybody know how to get the print screen and alt+print screen keys bound to take screenies?  I liked this setup in fc2.
[08:25] <SeArCh-> morning
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> caleb_: computer->desktop preferences-> keyboard shortcuts
[08:26] <dewey> evening
[08:27] <Gmail> evening
[08:27] <caleb_> HrdwrBoB: its already config'd right it seems.  but its not working
[08:29] <stuNNed> cef_work, not 1 mp3 but a folder with over 2000
[08:30] <stuNNed> cef_work, apparantly soemthing to do with glib, could be wrong though
[08:32] <ernie> im still having problems getting on my wireless network, my wireless card is set up correctly but my router wont assign me an ip, any suggestions?
[08:33] <ernie> im running kde on ubuntu
[08:35] <avida> is there a way to install a minimal ubuntu for a non-x11 server ?
[08:36] <Pizbit> avida: Press F1 or F2 at the install prompt
[08:36] <fabbione> avida: yes
[08:36] <avida> AH!
[08:37] <fabbione> avida: use the expert mode installation
[08:37] <cef_work> stuNNed: ahh. just cos I've got a few mp3's that are over 40 meg.. *grin*
[08:37] <avida> I was like, OK, maybe after it installs all the gnome packages it;lll ask mewhch packages I want ... hehe
[08:37] <SeArCh-> y does ubuntu ask me for pass if i want to install programs? and if i'm loged in as root how do i change it
[08:37] <rvirani> where do I check my keyboard map setting
[08:37] <SeArCh-> what user does it use
[08:38] <rvirani> I think I might have the wrong one
[08:38] <avida> thank you all
[08:38] <cef_work> stuNNed: got one that's 83 meg..
[08:38] <rvirani> like european or something
[08:38] <caleb_> what package provides the 'import' command?  i want to install it
[08:38] <cef_work> SeArCh-: you aren't root. for any program that asks you a password, use your password
[08:38] <stuNNed> cef_work, and all of your load fine in rb?
[08:38] <rvirani> caleb_: xv I think
[08:38] <stuNNed> cef_work, your/yours
[08:38] <thoreauputic> caleb_: imagemagick
[08:38] <rvirani> caleb_: or imagick
[08:39] <cef_work> stuNNed: haven't had a chance, though I was actually going to tackle rb tonight, so I'll find out methinks.
[08:39] <rvirani> where do I check the setting for my keyboard map?
[08:39] <caleb_> rvirani, thoreauputic: thanks
[08:40] <thoreauputic> caleb_: imagemagick also has display and convert, among other commands
[08:40] <caleb_> yeah ive written scripts to drive them in the past, couldnt for the life of me recall the package name
[08:40] <rvirani> where do I setup my keyboard map!!!
[08:40] <SeArCh-> it tells me Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> rvirani: computer->desktop preferences-> keyboard
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> also, relax
[08:41] <SeArCh-> cant remember the main pass
[08:41] <briareus> hehe
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> SeArCh-: did you get your password right?
[08:41] <SeArCh-> yes
[08:41] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB: for keyboard map
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> SeArCh-: it's the same one you logged in with
[08:41] <rvirani> hrm
[08:41] <rvirani> ok
[08:41] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB: sorry dude
[08:41] <stuNNed> cef_work, stuck with xmms here! :D
[08:41] <SeArCh-> i know
[08:41] <rvirani> I just wanna get this thing workn :D
[08:41] <briareus> so does everyone :)
[08:42] <stuNNed> cef_work, blast, i would have much more ogg/flac but had to convert alot of stuff to mp3 for dell jukebox reasons!
[08:43] <rvirani> I have an ibook, should it be set to generic?
[08:43] <cef_work> stuNNed: I'm going to go thru and re-rip all my stuff to ogg/flac, so will be interesting how big the cd's that produced the huge mp3's come out
[08:43] <stuNNed> cef_work, ugh, the labor of it though
[08:44] <cef_work> stuNNed: I'll just do it on the dual opteron that's sitting behind me *grin*
[08:44] <rvirani> HrdwrBoB: the problem I am having is showkey is returning hex values
[08:44] <rvirani> I treid it with all the topions and non work properly
[08:44] <stuNNed> cef_work, and you have that luxury! :)
[08:44] <rvirani> I just want to map right click to my apple key
[08:44] <cef_work> stuNNed: heh
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> rvirani: you might be able to do that in keyboard shortcuts
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> not keyboard
[08:46] <rvirani> lol it says Starting keyboard shortcuts and then dies
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> lol
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> that should not happen
[08:47] <stuNNed> rb is really nicely integrated into gnome-like but unstable as all heck!
[08:47] <stuNNed> eh that was meant for cef_work :)
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> rvirani: run gnome-keybinding-properties
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> in a terminal
[08:48] <cef_work> stub: heh
[08:48] <cef_work> stuNNed: erm, stuNNed even
[08:48] <stuNNed> heh :)
[08:48] <cef_work> stuNNed: hah
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> hoo-ha, everybody was kung foo fighting?
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> Pizbit: very doable
[08:49] <caleb_> Pizbit: it is
[08:50] <HrdwrBoB> Pizbit: it'll take you .. about 10 minutes
[08:50] <Pizbit> HrdwrBoB: Heh
[08:51] <rvirani> autentication regjected
[08:52] <rvirani> hrm as the user I am logged in as it just sits there
[08:52] <Pizbit> wow, python-gnome-1.2 sure pulls in a lot of packages
[08:54] <stuNNed> least i have bitstream fonts in evol xmms!
[08:56] <stuNNed> Pizbit, :)
[08:56] <Treenaks> bitstream or bitmap?
[08:59] <ernie>  im looking for some help troubleshooting my wireless network settings, i cant get an ip address from my router, im running kde 3.2 on ubuntu
[09:01] <kitchen`> anyone ever tried to build gaim-encryption on ubuntu?  I wasn't able to find a .deb for it
[09:11] <stuNNed> hi sid77
[09:15] <jasoni> hey
[09:15] <jasoni> does anybody have the x.org server working with Ubuntu?
[09:15] <stuNNed> hi jasoni
[09:15] <jasoni> hey
[09:15] <stuNNed> jasoni, warty ships xfree86_custom or something
[09:15] <jasoni> I want to use x.org 6.8
[09:16] <Treenaks> jasoni: just wait for packages
[09:16] <elwood> jasoni,  i had on my debian
[09:16] <Treenaks> jasoni: you won't notice the difference, really
[09:16] <jasoni> how did you do it?
[09:16] <daniels> we ship a wacky version of xfree86 4.3; we should have x.org packages available in mid-to-late november
[09:16] <daniels> why are you after 6.8?
[09:16] <Treenaks> daniels: wacky? that must be the understatment of the week ;)
[09:16] <jasoni> xcomposite
[09:16] <sid77> jasoni, they're working on it
[09:16] <Treenaks> +e
[09:16] <tableist90> what would u guys recommend?? Firestarter or Shorewall?
[09:17] <daniels> jasoni: it will be really slow and it will probably crash
[09:17] <jasoni> why?
[09:17] <jasoni> I had it working fine in Fedora Core 2
[09:17] <daniels> becuase composite support is pretty immature still
[09:17] <elwood> jasoni,  xcomposite is unstable
[09:18] <daniels> if it works for you, great
[09:18] <elwood> jasoni, i tried...it's better wait
[09:18] <jasoni> k
[09:18] <daniels> but I suspect it will take a fair few fixes pulled from HEAD (or r7 branch) to get it generally stable
[09:19] <elwood> in ubuntu we trust
[09:19] <jasoni> so when it is released say in a few weeks I can just pull it off the main repository
[09:19] <jasoni> ?
[09:19] <daniels> yeah
[09:19] <elwood> without breaking any dep.. :)
[09:19] <jasoni> I wonder how long it will take to make it into the official debian tree
[09:19] <jasoni> probably longer
[09:20] <Treenaks> daniels: did you create the siliconmotion bug (1842) upstream yet? I couldn't find it in Xorg bugzilla
[09:20] <elwood> jasoni, the stable u mean?
[09:20] <jasoni> yes
[09:20] <jasoni> no
[09:20] <jasoni> testing
[09:20] <Treenaks> debian stable? about 2 years 8)
[09:20] <daniels> Treenaks: not yet
[09:21] <elwood> Treenaks, 2 years...are u an optimist? :P
[09:21] <jasoni> Woody is nuts
[09:21] <daniels> Treenaks: been otherwise quite busy
[09:21] <gruberman> Is there a real use for xcomposite? I'm googling and it looks like it's mostly for fun
[09:21] <Treenaks> daniels: I can imagine that
[09:21] <elwood> jasoni,  woody is good if u are on a  server :)
[09:21] <Treenaks> gruberman: it can make stuff look cooler. if it looks cooler, more non-techies want it.
[09:22] <Treenaks> gruberman: (proof: windows XP, OSX)
[09:22] <jasoni> you can see through windows ;)  That makes it more productive
[09:22] <jasoni> with xcompmgr and trannset
[09:22] <elwood> yes
[09:22] <gruberman> I like customizing, so I will probably try it someday :)
[09:22] <elwood> but i removed it quickly..
[09:23] <elwood> it went slower...when i had more than 5 windows opened...
[09:23] <Treenaks> I want drop-shadow windows in gnome ;)
[09:23] <jasoni> I want transition effects
[09:23] <jasoni> that would be cool
[09:24] <gruberman> Treenaks: There's alot for xp/2k right now. windowblinds and stuff...
[09:24] <jasoni> none of it is realtime though gruberman
[09:24] <jasoni> its all software rendered
[09:25] <gruberman> jasoni: what's the hit on the cpu?
[09:25] <Treenaks> jasoni: like "suck-it-into-the-dock" minimize on osx :)
[09:25] <gruberman> (or performance) I should say
[09:26] <jasoni> for software rendering of shadows and stuff on windows it is insane
[09:26] <jasoni> unusable
[09:26] <jasoni> but it is the opposite with hardware render composite effects
[09:26] <gruberman> what i like with linux is that I have a p3 with 256mb ram and it's works great.
[09:27] <jasoni> yeah
[09:27] <jasoni> linux is very scalabe
[09:27] <gruberman> until I convinve my wife to install it on the other box
[09:27] <gruberman> Right now there's only two things that makes me keep th xp box. nfl fieldpass and making music
[09:28] <jasoni> whats fieldpass?
[09:28] <gruberman> I get all the games radio streamed + video clips. not easy living in Sweden trying to follow nfl :/
[09:29] <sid77> :)
[09:29] <Treenaks> gruberman: can't you listen streams with totem-xine and The Right Plugins ?
[09:29] <jasoni> yeah
[09:29] <jasoni> or mplayer
[09:29] <jasoni> get w32codecs
[09:30] <jasoni> and the mozilla plugin for xine
[09:30] <jasoni> problem solved
[09:30] <izaac> i recommend gxine with native linux codecs
[09:30] <gruberman> Treenaks: I pay ten bucks a month and it only works with realplayer
[09:30] <jasoni> download realplayer for linux
[09:30] <gruberman> jasoni: i have it
[09:31] <jasoni> realplayer 10?
[09:31] <gruberman> It's the membership stuff that breaks it
[09:31] <jasoni> oh
[09:31] <elwood> i hate this things
[09:31] <gruberman> That service is only for windows
[09:31] <sid77> btw, what happens of the rumors about real player going gpl?
[09:32] <Treenaks> sid77: helix player.. google for it
[09:32] <sid77> tnx
[09:32] <jasoni> well there is helix player
[09:32] <twisted_steel> g'night everyone, or good morning as the case may be
[09:32] <jasoni> http://www.helixplayer.org
[09:32] <gruberman> But I have my xp box right next to my ubuntu box, so there's really no problem
[09:33] <gruberman> And the music stuff wont work on linux ion a long time anyways
[09:33] <Treenaks> gruberman: you could write them a letter explaining your situation, and asking for a better solution :)
[09:33] <jasoni> I had a BSOD in XP the other night the first time ever and I am never going back :)
[09:33] <jasoni> I have been using XP since RC1
[09:34] <Treenaks> will helix-player be included in hoary/universe?
[09:34] <Treenaks> (it seems to be in debian sid atm..)
[09:35] <gruberman> Treenaks: I have been thinking about it.
[09:35] <gruberman> got to go bbl
[09:36] <schifo> guys
[09:36] <schifo> is there any way i can log into gnome as root
[09:37] <elwood> schifo,  sure
[09:37] <schifo> how-to, elwood
[09:37] <elwood> schifo,  italian from canada?
[09:37] <schifo> sure am
[09:37] <elwood> schifo,  modify gdm settings
[09:37] <sid77> change root pwd, allow root login on gdm and you are gone :)
[09:37] <schifo> guys thats the problem, i just installed ubuntu, and im new to this, not an expert
[09:38] <sid77> ok
[09:38] <sid77> "sudo su" to become root
[09:38] <Tim-E> any idea's on howto get dual monitor support for Ubuntu ?
[09:38] <sid77> that's why root pwd is scrambled
[09:38] <thoreauputic> you really shouldn't run X as root though :(
[09:38] <elwood> schifo,  ok log in as root in dgm
[09:38] <elwood> in gnome
[09:39] <elwood> schifo, and became root in a terminal and start gdmconfig
[09:39] <schifo> can only log in as my user account in gnome
[09:39] <elwood> schifo,  pardon login as normal user
[09:39] <schifo> k
[09:39] <sid77> schifo, logging as normal user is all ok
[09:39] <sid77> you do root stuff with "sudo"
[09:39] <elwood> schifo,  why u need to be root in gnome?
[09:40] <stuNNed> sudo -s for root shell, shifo
[09:40] <schifo> im at gdmconfig
[09:40] <schifo> elwood, more familiar with gnome for the moment
[09:40] <schifo> i know its not a good habit
[09:45] <schifo> guys
[09:46] <schifo> when i used to run fedora, there was a gui admin tool in gnome
[09:46] <schifo> that let me set the essid and wep key for my wireless card
[09:46] <schifo> i dont know how to do that in ubuntu
[09:47] <Treenaks> schifo: the network settings program can do that for you
[09:47] <schifo> Treenak, there is no such tool
[09:48] <Treenaks> schifo: In the menu, under Computer/System Settings there is
[09:48] <schifo> Treenaks, thanks for the tip, that worked
[09:50] <schifo> well, i dont see where im supposed to enter the essid and wep key ?
[09:50] <schifo> nm, have to create new connection
[09:51] <will_1> I'm installing ubuntu linux right now and it's taking a really, really long time, 3 hours so far. I don't think it should take this long, I have an Athlon 2600+
[09:51] <will_1> can anyone help me speed it up?
[09:51] <jasoni> it could be a messed up CD
[09:52] <jasoni> scratched
[09:52] <jasoni> maybe just dirty
[09:52] <will_1> at the second stage, the CD is already out
[09:52] <den1zen> morning
[09:52] <jasoni> oh
[09:52] <jasoni> slow internet connection
[09:52] <jasoni> are you trying to download packages?
[09:52] <will_1> it's doing all the package unpacking, it goes in little spurts
[09:52] <jasoni> how fast is your internet?
[09:52] <will_1> they're all local, nothing is being downloaded
[09:53] <jasoni> oh
[09:53] <will_1> this is the second time the install is running, I'm trying a different filesystem, but nothing is different
[09:54] <will_1> the first time I stopped it after 1.5 hours, I said OK to download updates from the net. This time I did not
[09:54] <jasoni> is it just a regular ATA drive?  i386 build?
[09:55] <will_1> yes, it's a 7200 RPM drive, seagate. i386
[09:55] <elwood> http://www.linuxlabs.com/software/AutoZen.html
[09:57] <stuNNed> will_1, just had a seagate drive die on my like yesterday
[09:57] <stuNNed> will_1, ran the smart tests in windows, predicted failure
[09:57] <will_1> I've had it for over a year, my windows XP runs off the same drive
[09:58] <stuNNed> probly have better luck than me :)
[09:58] <will_1> where did you run those tests?
[09:59] <stuNNed> will_1, downloaded them from seagate website
[09:59] <stuNNed> will_1, where? in windows, there is one for windows (not bootable floppy)
[09:59] <stuNNed> will_1, runs smart tests
[09:59] <stuNNed> will_1, smartmontools for linux
[09:59] <will_1> I'm gonna stop it and try it out
[10:01] <will_1> stuNNed, I'm just booting into windows to try this out....maybe it is the damn drive
[10:05] <schifo> guys
[10:05] <schifo> in network settings
[10:05] <schifo> i select my wireless network card, and click activate
[10:05] <schifo> and it puts a check mark
[10:05] <schifo> but it goes away after 3 seconds
[10:06] <schifo> how do i get that wireless connection up? i know the card and everything works, since it worked at my friends house
[10:07] <will_1> do you have WEP running?
[10:07] <schifo> no wep
[10:10] <cenerentola> HELO all
[10:10] <cenerentola> all: ive a prob with the ml...
[10:11] <cenerentola> i don't receive the mail i send... does someone know why?
[10:11] <stuNNed> cenerentola, from command line `mail` ?
[10:11] <stuNNed> or mutt?
[10:13] <cenerentola> no evolution...
[10:15] <zimba> hello, did somebody manage to install php5 on ubuntu ? I have problems compiling with apxs
[10:15] <cenerentola> stunned: got it?
[10:15] <stuNNed> cenerentola, do you get a bounced error message?
[10:16] <fabbione> zimba: you might want to use apxs2
[10:17] <borup> my install fails while installing the base system, specifically while processing nvidia-kernel-common_1.0.6111+1ubunto1_all.deb
[10:17] <borup> known problem?
[10:17] <Treenaks> borup: I don't believe it.. it can't be ubunto :)
[10:17] <sparkes> borup, have you verified the disk is written correctly?
[10:17] <borup> Treenaks: heh
[10:17] <cenerentola> stunned: no way
[10:18] <cenerentola> i dont get anything at all
[10:18] <borup> sparkes: well I burned a new one - from a different iso (fails in the same file)
[10:18] <cenerentola> stunned: well i use despammed.com... but it should be a prob...
[10:18] <cenerentola> sparkes: have you receive those mails?
[10:19] <sparkes> cenerentola, yup, to the doc list
[10:19] <sparkes> cenerentola, itallian translations right?
[10:19] <sparkes> cenerentola, they are getting through to the list
[10:19] <sparkes> brb
[10:19] <schifo> guys, can anyone help me get my wireless connection up and running
[10:19] <schifo> my card is installed and correctly configured
[10:20] <schifo> it probably just isnt up and have the right essid and wep
[10:20] <KiwiFireGuy> Greetings
[10:20] <sparkes> cenerentola, check your mailing list page to make sure you haven't checked the box not to receive copies of your own messages
[10:21] <sparkes> cenerentola, the list does send you copies of your own messages generally
[10:21] <KiwiFireGuy> I'm trying to set up sound on a Tosh Tecra 8000. Usually I use sndconfig... is that available in Ubuntu?
[10:22] <borup> schifo: according to the faq, those should be setable in Ubuntu's Network Settings dialog
[10:22] <cenerentola> sparkes: ive checked that
[10:22] <schifo> borup, i did
[10:22] <schifo> i select my wireless network card, and click activate
[10:22] <schifo> and it puts a check mark
[10:22] <schifo> but it goes away after 3 seconds
[10:22] <borup> schifo: does iwconfig confirm that?
[10:23] <schifo> when i do iwconfig, it shows eth1 with the correct ESSID
[10:23] <schifo> but theres also an encryption key
[10:23] <schifo> which i dont have at my house (wep)
[10:23] <schifo> and its removed in network settings
[10:23] <schifo> ie. blank
[10:24] <borup> you should use wep you know
[10:24] <schifo> i know
[10:24] <schifo> but besides point
[10:24] <borup> try turning wep of via iwconfig
[10:24] <schifo> not really sure how, thats the problem
[10:25] <sparkes> cenerentola, have you recived my reply to your test message, sent only to the list?
[10:25] <KiwiFireGuy> Can anyone help with sound config?
[10:26] <schifo> just did an iwconfig eth1 enc off
[10:27] <schifo> k, got it to work
[10:27] <swab_> schifo, what router are you using?
[10:27] <schifo> swab, just did an iwconfig eth1 enc off; ifup eth1
[10:27] <schifo> works now
[10:27] <schifo> swab, linksys
[10:27] <swab_> great!
[10:27] <cenerentola> sparkes: no
[10:29] <borup> schifo: odd
[10:29] <schifo> guys, how come my fonts are ugly in ubuntu, how do i get some anti-aliasing going on
[10:29] <cenerentola> sparkes: i'll change the subscribed address from despammed... to another redirection
[10:29] <schifo> borup, indeed
[10:30] <borup> schifo: wifi is not that easy to work with in linux
[10:30] <Treenaks> schifo: open the 'fonts' preferences
[10:30] <Treenaks> borup: it is.. all you need is a supported card..
[10:31] <schifo> no anti-aliasing option
[10:31] <Treenaks> schifo: there are four "aAbBcCdD" things at the bottom
[10:31] <Treenaks> schifo: those set anti-aliasing
[10:31] <sparkes> cenerentola, cool I was about to suggest that ;-)
[10:32] <schifo> how do i install a .deb package?
[10:32] <Treenaks> dpkg -i file.deb
[10:32] <schifo> im used to rpm's
[10:32] <schifo> k, thanks'
[10:34] <borup> Treenaks: I have a supported card - its still a pain
[10:36] <elisiano> hi there
[10:36] <elisiano> is there anyone?
[10:36] <borup> how does one verify a cdrom?
[10:37] <Treenaks> md5sum /dev/yourcdrom
[10:39] <elisiano> I got trouble installing ubuntu on a G3 (new world)... is there a documentation for the command line options I can give at (install)  boot?
[10:39] <ToGGY> I need some help!
[10:41] <borup> ToGGY: unless you provide more info - you won't get any
[10:41] <ToGGY> Mozilla-NSS
[10:41] <BeTa> I get some random system crashes on my ubuntu ppc (PowerBook G5)... anyone also get this (some ubuntu-ppc developpers here) ?
[10:41] <ToGGY> Any package for that in ubunt's?
[10:42] <elisiano> BeTa: PowerBook G5???
[10:42] <BeTa> not PB G5
[10:42] <BeTa> lol
[10:42] <BeTa> little mistake ;c)
[10:42] <elisiano> lol
[10:42] <elisiano> :)
[10:42] <BeTa> G4 sorry :cb
[10:42] <BeTa> sadly G4.. but G4...
[10:42] <ToGGY> any at all?
[10:42] <ToGGY> mozilla-nss anyone know what to install for that?
[10:42] <ToGGY> i tried mozilla
[10:43] <mrjive> hi *
[10:46] <borup> ToGGY: its called libnss3
[10:48] <ToGGY> borup: thanks
[10:48] <ToGGY> doesnt install devs
[10:48] <ToGGY> i had to install gcc on this :-\
[10:49] <mdz> ToGGY: this is answered in the FAQ
[10:49] <BeTa> try libnss3-dev or something lioke that (not verified)
[10:49] <mdz> which is linked from the topic
[10:49] <mdz> that is, how to install development tools
[10:49] <BeTa> so there is no ubuntu-ppc user here ?
[10:49] <ToGGY> lol
[10:49] <ToGGY> yeah
[10:49] <ToGGY> i had libnss3 installed
[10:49] <schifo> guys
[10:49] <ToGGY> but not the dev lol
[10:50] <schifo> where can i download gtk+-2.0
[10:50] <schifo> cant find it in synaptics
[10:50] <elisiano> wtf! blank screen if I use -power3 option
[10:50] <ToGGY> schifo: libgtk
[10:50] <elisiano> :/
[10:50] <Treenaks> schifo: you have gtk+ 2.4..  GNOME depends on it..
[10:50] <ToGGY> look foor that
[10:50] <Treenaks> oh, and look for packages first (in universe maybe..) before compiling!
[10:51] <babui> hi, has anyone installed ubuntu over debian/sid ?
[10:51] <schifo> Treenaks, installing airsnort, ./configure is telling me: no package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[10:51] <Treenaks> schifo: apt-get install kismet
[10:51] <borup> schifo: you need the -dev packages
[10:51] <Treenaks> schifo: or apt-get install airsnort.. there are packages, you know
[10:51] <|trey|> schifo, libgtk2.0 to be exact... should be there by default though  :/
[10:52] <|trey|> schifo, you probably need -dev
[10:52] <MikeGTN> schifo: the pkgconfig files are in -dev
[10:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: he probably needs packages :)
[10:52] <ToGGY> yayaya
[10:52] <schifo> i like using synaptic package manager
[10:52] <ToGGY> i can use msn!
[10:52] <schifo> doesnt seem to find any airsnort
[10:52] <Treenaks> schifo: did you enable "universe" ?
[10:53] <|trey|> Treenaks, not if he wants to compile it  :/
[10:53] <schifo> trying to find this universe setting, cant locate
[10:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: he doesn't want to compile it.. really..
[10:54] <|trey|> schifo, synaptics "Repository"... just select it...
[10:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: not if there are packages
[10:54] <ToGGY> now I have to re-compile xchat
[10:54] <ToGGY> damn old crap
[10:54] <|trey|> Treenaks, enless he doesn't like how they were compiled for some reason  :/
[10:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: if "apt" is hard, compiling is too hard..
[10:55] <schifo> treenaks, selected all in there, still no airsnort results
[10:55] <Treenaks> schifo: did you run update?
[10:56] <schifo> no, and now i did, and now i find it
[10:56] <|trey|> Treenaks, apt-get source blah... apt is made for compiling too  :/
[10:56] <cenerentola> sparkes: can you try no
[10:56] <cenerentola> w
[10:56] <Elwood> re
[10:56] <schifo> treenaks, should i also install kismet, as suggested
[10:57] <|trey|> Treenaks, also, debhelper is quite helpful...
[10:57] <Treenaks> schifo: kismet is a tool you can use to scan for wireless networks..
[10:57] <Elwood> oh lovely wardriving
[10:58] <|trey|> Treenaks, besides anything, he's not using apt... he's using synaptic, synaptic is using apt not him  :/
[10:58] <Treenaks> synaptic..
[10:58] <schifo> whats wrong with using synaptic
[10:58] <Treenaks> schifo: nothing
[10:58] <schifo> k
[10:58] <|trey|> schifo, absolutly nothing if you like to do things from the GUI  :/
[10:58] <ToGGY> yaya
[10:58] <ToGGY> im rebuilding xchat!
[10:59] <spikeb> why?
[10:59] <Elwood> why rebuilding?
[10:59] <schifo> you almost made me believe that linux gurus dont use synaptic
[10:59] <spikeb> yes, why rebuilding
[10:59] <ToGGY> old
[10:59] <ToGGY> old
[10:59] <ToGGY> old
[10:59] <ToGGY> old
[10:59] <ToGGY> i am compiling all the stuff I use most via source
[10:59] <|trey|> schifo, most Debian "guru's" don't  :/
[10:59] <ToGGY> sorry about the 'old' 4 lines
[11:00] <schifo> trey, including yourself ?
[11:00] <|trey|> schifo, depends what I am doing since using Ubuntu...
[11:00] <Elwood> it becames gentoo
[11:00] <ToGGY> dont make fun of it
[11:01] <|trey|> Elwood, not if you're not compiling everything  :/
[11:01] <fabbione> BeTa: sorry but i was kicked out... what kind of crashes you get?
[11:01] <Elwood> :)
[11:01] <ToGGY> why?
[11:02] <|trey|> Elwood, I can stand it if I am compiling things cuz the packages I am using aren't what I need (things left out etc), but compiling EVERYTHING takes too long on a 933 Duron to be worth it  :/
[11:02] <|trey|> ToGGY, because its not practical
[11:03] <ToGGY> so i cant complain ;-)
[11:03] <|trey|> ToGGY, there are better things to do with clock cycles  :/
[11:03] <Elwood> i have a 1000 duron working at 1500 with 256 ram ...slow :(
[11:03] <ToGGY> i overclcoked
[11:03] <ToGGY> ;-)
[11:03] <ToGGY> im running at 2.1ghz
[11:03] <|trey|> 500mb RAM... but still...
[11:03] <BeTa> fabbione: !! you here ? too ;c)
[11:03] <fabbione> BeTa: yes i am back :-)
[11:03] <BeTa> fabbione: I don't know what kind of crash... it doesn't print any log :c/
[11:04] <|trey|> VIA chipsets... never again...
[11:04] <fabbione> BeTa: but it's hard freeze, an application crashing or what?
[11:04] <BeTa> but I only know that my box doesn't aswer to ping ICMP requets
[11:04] <BeTa> hard freeze
[11:04] <ToGGY> i need to quit smoking
[11:04] <ToGGY> :(
[11:05] <|trey|> BeTa, that sucks  :(
[11:05] <mdz> ToGGY: xchat in hoary is 2.4.0, latest upstream is 2.4.0. What exactly is old about it?
[11:05] <Elwood> |trey|,  what's wrong with via cips?
[11:05] <BeTa> and the only thing (crasy) I've noticed, is that I'm alway on a Mozilla window
[11:05] <BeTa> like Thunderbird
[11:05] <BeTa> or like firefox
[11:05] <ToGGY> 2.0.8
[11:05] <|trey|> mdz, Hoary isn't usable yet... most users are using 2.0.4...
[11:05] <ToGGY> version me
[11:05] <mdz> |trey|: er, I'm running hoary
[11:05] <BeTa> but I don't think this can be considered as a crash reason
[11:05] <Elwood> i am using 2.0.8 and it works
[11:06] <|trey|> mdz, I will be in about an hour too then  :)
[11:06] <|trey|> mdz, still... warty is the release, so its what most will use...
[11:06] <seb128> ToGGY: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.4.0-0.2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:06] <mdz> |trey|: of course, and there is nothing wrong with that
[11:07] <ToGGY> im happy with source
[11:07] <|trey|> mdz, mainly cuz of what seb128 just said though  ;)
[11:07] <schifo> getting a message from airsnort that "could not set monitor mode", and get wlanctl-ng: command not found
[11:07] <schifo> any idea?
[11:07] <mdz> but it is a bit ridiculous to complain about old software when newer software is available
[11:07] <BeTa> fabbione: any idea ?
[11:07] <BeTa> anyone get this too ?
[11:07] <seb128> |trey|: what did I say ?
[11:07] <jordi> seb128: dude where are the GNOME 2.9 pkgs?
[11:08] <fabbione> BeTa: not really...
[11:08] <seb128> jordi: dude, where are the GNOME 2.9 tarballs ? :)
[11:08] <fabbione> BeTa: is that a laptop? if so is the fan spinning?
[11:08] <ToGGY> yaya
[11:08] <ToGGY> now i am on 2.4.0
[11:08] <|trey|> seb128, you pointed folks at where to get hoary packages...
[11:08] <ToGGY> Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 [i686/2.09GHz] 
[11:08] <ToGGY> Charset: ISO-8859-1 Renderer: Xft
[11:08] <ToGGY> Compiled: Oct 29 2004
[11:08] <jordi> seb128: L0L DUDE! You need tarballs when there's FRESH CVS TO CHECKOUT
[11:09] <seb128> |trey|: no, I pointed a deb file that's all. How do you know it's a hoary part ? :)
[11:09] <spikeb> heh
[11:09] <mdz> ToGGY: you didn't need to compile from source for that
[11:09] <ToGGY> but I love to
[11:09] <|trey|> seb128, cuz its not a warty part  ;)
[11:09] <seb128> jordi: ARG, I'm OUTDATED DUDE !!
[11:09] <mdz> ToGGY: then why did you complain as if it was a chore?
[11:09] <jordi> mdz: do something about this slacker
[11:10] <jordi> hmm, this reminds me about apt. Aww.
[11:10] <BeTa> fabbione: this is a PB G4 15" 1.5GHz
[11:10] <mdz> jordi: speaking of slackers...
[11:10] <BeTa> fabbione: the fan is running sometimes
[11:10] <jordi> yeah, I know. :)
[11:10] <BeTa> but I don't know if there is a link
[11:10] <fabbione> hmmmm
[11:10] <ToGGY> i didnt
[11:10] <ToGGY> LOL
[11:11] <spikeb> whoever is supposed to be working on usplash
[11:11] <BeTa> I can consider this working well... but I can remember that fan was never running w/ it crashed
[11:11] <BeTa> so maybe it can be linked... :c/
[11:11] <cenerentola> fabbione: plz dont be cheesy
[11:11] <mdz> ToGGY: easy there
[11:11] <|trey|> mdz, out of curiosity, does the Firefox package fix Java bugs of the previous RC?
[11:12] <fabbione> cenerentola: ?
[11:12] <mdz> |trey|: firefox has not been updated yet
[11:12] <spikeb> that reminds me
[11:12] <spikeb> i need to update firefox on my wife's computer
[11:12] <fabbione> BeTa: i would check if the cpu is overheated or something....
[11:12] <spikeb> brb
[11:12] <|trey|> mdz, hmm, even better  8)
[11:12] <ToGGY> SysInfo | System: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 | CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2090.486 MHz | Mem: 208/1036Mb (20%) | Diskspace: 56Gb Free: 2Gb | Bogomips: 4136.96 | Screen Res: 1280x1024 | Procs: 85 | Uptime:  1:25 | Connection Device: Unknown In: 81.44Mb Out: 2.69Mb
[11:12] <ToGGY> ooh
[11:12] <mdz> ToGGY: please stop pasting to the channel
[11:12] <ToGGY> im not pasting
[11:13] <ToGGY> oops
[11:13] <ToGGY> i just read the topic
[11:13] <ToGGY> sorry
[11:13] <cenerentola> fabbione: i DID ask you sth... and then youre are gently supposed to answer
[11:13] <|trey|> :( @ xpdf still
[11:13] <BeTa> fabbione: how can I check that ? maybe there are sensors
[11:14] <fabbione> cenerentola: you are also kind to wait a sec. and second i did answer.. to the wrong window.
[11:14] <BeTa> or.. There are sensors (I can view their results on OSX)... but can I interrogate them on my GNU/Linux system ?
[11:14] <schifo> ive been trying to setup Kismet and airsnort on ubuntu w/ an orinoco card and i have reached the point where i am supposed to patch my driver - but im not too sure what would be the best way to go about this? I know i have to grab a [patch or driver]  from http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html but am lost after that...
[11:14] <Elwood> cenerentola,  are u one of the women of ubuntu's gdm login ?
[11:14] <fabbione> cenerentola: and there is no need to ask for my attention in a public channel that way
[11:15] <elisiano> :)
[11:16] <fabbione> BeTa: probably...
[11:16] <|trey|> Elwood, the blonde was cute  8)
[11:16] <ToGGY> im starting to like ubuntu
[11:17] <|trey|> ToGGY, I liked it as soon as I saw a logical 2nd menu...
[11:17] <spikeb> i'm not, but the only other thing i can stand is gentoo - and i hate waiting.
[11:17] <Elwood> lol
[11:17] <spikeb> thus, i use ubuntu. :)
[11:17] <ToGGY> NOO you people took me from gentoo to a binary distro :-\
[11:17] <spikeb> ouch
[11:17] <ToGGY> sorry
[11:18] <|trey|> ToGGY, eh
[11:18] <ToGGY> i seriously like this
[11:18] <spikeb> i like the "computer" menu.
[11:18] <ToGGY> i first loved slackware, then gentoo, now this
[11:18] <ToGGY> simple no hassle
[11:19] <ToGGY> how do I edit the computer menu?
[11:19] <|trey|> ToGGY, after using Fedora for a week (mainly to see again the speed diff of xorg), I am looking forward to it... Ubuntu is already the fastest distro I have used for day to day activities...
[11:19] <spikeb> frak zappa? somebody stranger than frank? :P
[11:21] <|trey|> ToGGY, no gui atm... you have to edit /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/vfolders
[11:22] <|trey|> Well, the files in there at least... yeah
[11:22] <ToGGY> i need to get my ged
[11:22] <spikeb> sounds liek it
[11:22] <ToGGY> linux made me drop out :(
[11:22] <Pizbit> ToGGY: You can right-click on the sub-menus and add stuff there though
[11:22] <|trey|> ToGGY, haha @ j00
[11:22] <ToGGY> lol
[11:23] <|trey|> ToGGY, heh... same here kinda... going to college to make money doing it now though  :)
[11:23] <ToGGY> |trey|: haha @ j00
[11:24] <|trey|> ToGGY, I fail though, I got a 97 average in the linux classes... lameness  :(
[11:24] <|trey|> I shoulda got a 100, its only assosiates stuff  :/
[11:25] <|trey|> ToGGY, they actually asked "how do you list files"... I laughed so hard I forgot to answer  :(
[11:25] <ToGGY> ls
[11:25] <BeTa> fabbione: my next reboot would be on my GNU/Linux and I'll try to find a tool to know that..
[11:25] <|trey|> ToGGY, *nods* ... its not that I didn't know it... I couldn't believe they actually asked  :/
[11:25] <ToGGY> lol
[11:26] <ToGGY> ive been using linux for about 3 years
[11:26] <ToGGY> since I was 13
[11:26] <fabbione> BeTa: probably thom can help you more than me
[11:26] <fabbione> BeTa: but i think a sensor tool should be there
[11:26] <BeTa> fabbione: what's strange w/ those crashes are their random caracteristics
[11:26] <BeTa> great :c)
[11:26] <elisiano> fabbione: are you italian?
[11:26] <|trey|> ToGGY, since about a week after RH7.3 was released here... so umm... about 3 years too...
[11:26] <|trey|> 20 here though  :)
[11:27] <BeTa> fabbione: and what about your IPv6 repository ? do you need help on something ?
[11:27] <briareus> oh you mean linux?> thought you meant drugs
[11:27] <fabbione> elisiano: yes
[11:27] <fabbione> BeTa: ENOTIME :(((
[11:27] <elisiano> briareus: actually linux is a drug ;)
[11:27] <fabbione> BeTa
[11:27] <briareus> goo dpoint
[11:27] <elisiano> once you start using it you can't do without
[11:27] <fabbione> BeTa: it's there laying on its own atm
[11:27] <|trey|> about 7 years of Microsoft... got bored with my free XP, so I decided to try Red Hat  :)
[11:27] <elisiano> :)
[11:27] <schifo> guys, how can i unload my orinoco module ?
[11:27] <ToGGY> sudo: /etc/init.d/identd: command not found
[11:27] <ToGGY> LOL
[11:27] <gruberman> elisiano: Nah, but frozen bubble is :)
[11:28] <Elwood> enolinux
[11:28] <elisiano> rotfl
[11:28] <elisiano> :)
[11:28] <|trey|> schifo, rmmod blah
[11:28] <briareus> rmmod
[11:28] <elisiano> fabbione: di Roma?
[11:28] <|trey|> ToGGY, apt-get install pidentd
[11:28] <fabbione> elisiano: yes
[11:28] <elisiano> I guessed ;)
[11:28] <borup> gruberman: I have frozen bubble on my phone :-)
[11:29] <briareus> i'd never be able to put my phone down
[11:29] <|trey|> borup, that would just be a bad idea for me... that game scares me, its so addicting  :(
[11:29] <gruberman> borup: lucky you! just wasted 30 minutes playing it when I have other things to do.
[11:29] <|trey|> briareus, :)
[11:29] <briareus> the music of frozen bubble is what mezmerizes me
[11:29] <|trey|> gruberman, you managed to put it down after just 30 mins?
[11:29] <schifo> problem is guys
[11:29] <briareus> i played ?on a laptop with no sound, not nearly as addictive
[11:29] <schifo> says orinoco_cs is in use
[11:30] <|trey|> gruberman, I envy you  ;)
[11:30] <schifo> cant rmmod
[11:30] <gruberman> briareus: I hate it.. some crappy loops running :/
[11:30] <|trey|> schifo, there is a force option... man rmmod... I believe it tells you its a bad idea though  :/
[11:30] <gruberman> |trey|: Sometimes I'm strong. Just like Luke!
[11:30] <briareus> schifo, is the net up?
[11:30] <schifo> down
[11:31] <briareus> if or also iw?
[11:31] <borup> |trey|: the original psx game is better
[11:31] <Tim-E> how do i mount a ntfs partition ?
[11:31] <schifo> only if
[11:31] <|trey|> schifo, yeah, umm... its not a good idea to deactivate something thats being used...
[11:31] <|trey|> borup, psx game of frozen bubble?
[11:31] <briareus> schifo, dunno if ubuntu uses iwconfig and whatnot, see if you have an iw-down or whatnot in /etc/
[11:31] <Acridien> hello
[11:32] <briareus> the if-down equivalent
[11:32] <briareus> ifdown :: iwdown or whatever
[11:32] <borup> |trey|: frozen bubble is a ripoff - the original is called bust a move (or something like that)
[11:32] <briareus> then try rmmod
[11:32] <schifo> its already been ifdown'd, iwdown doesnt exist
[11:32] <briareus> ok all, gotta go kill some tanks
[11:33] <Keybuk> |trey|: yeah, there's a lot of lib change
[11:33] <|trey|> borup, I couldn't imagine it on a playstation...
[11:33] <ToGGY> you guys hear about verizion's new fttp?
[11:33] <|trey|> Keybuk, k... guess I will brb  :)
[11:34] <gruberman> I think there's a an online version called bitch.
[11:34] <plovs> sparkes, are you any good at nfs or nis?
[11:36] <ToGGY> yaya ipv6!
[11:37] <BeTa> fabbione: ENOTIME ? what does that mean ? ;c) and same question for your second sentance ;c) lol... I seem to get some english problem today...
[11:38] <sparkes> plovs, nope I don't do admin ;-) apt-get install nfs is my limit
[11:38] <Keybuk> BeTa: Exxxxx is the syntax used for C error codes
[11:39] <Keybuk> EACCESS = Permission denied, EBADFD = Bad file descriptor, EIEIO = Kernel bought the farm etc.
[11:39] <gruberman> Gah.. Need something to do tonight.
[11:39] <Keybuk> so ENOTIME means "I have no time"
[11:39] <gruberman> Should I start messing around with Java or PHP+Mysql or Python or?
[11:39] <Elwood> eno= wine in italy
[11:39] <BeTa> allright... I was not on this kind of vocabulary
[11:39] <Elwood> so enotime is time to get drunked
[11:40] <BeTa> I've got a bad night ;c)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> plovs: nice howto on nfs here; http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html
[11:40] <BeTa> fabbione: if you want to delegate something... ask me :cb
[11:40] <Acridien> Elwood: elwood from a console monthly magasine ?
[11:41] <Elwood> Acridien, no elwood from my room in ital
[11:41] <fabbione> BeTa: ENOTIME = Error No Time ;)
[11:41] <fabbione> BeTa: yes i know.. you are always offering to help me...
[11:41] <BeTa> yep they've explain me ;c)
[11:41] <fabbione> BeTa: i should have done that a while ago
[11:42] <BeTa> but I don't have many competences (even if I'm underconsidering mine)
[11:42] <BeTa> fabbione: :c)
[11:42] <BeTa> fabbione: take the time you need... :c)
[11:42] <fabbione> BeTa: yeah.. well you need to start somewhere
[11:42] <fabbione> time? which time?
[11:42] <BeTa> lol
[11:42] <spikeb> no time at all!
[11:42] <BeTa> maybe I would have a look at postfix or apache patches
[11:43] <BeTa> maybe we may continue on the right chan ;c)
[11:43] <ToGGY> lol
[11:43] <ToGGY> all my messages are binary
[11:43] <ToGGY> my quit, my part and my away
[11:48] <userX> hey everyone, I have a newb question. This is the first time I'm using a debian based distro, where can I get a list of apt-get servers
[11:48] <userX> packages that will work on ubuntu
[11:48] <plovs> thoreauputic, thanks!
[11:49] <Keybuk> userX: most software should be available in Ubuntu's main and universe repositories
[11:49] <gruberman> userX: start synaptic. There you have choices
[11:49] <Keybuk> (look at /etc/apt/sources.list)
[11:50] <userX> ah! thanks gruberman, that's actually what I was trying to install, didn't know it was already in :P
[11:50] <thoreauputic> plovs: I found it pretty helpful - hope it helps you :)
[11:50] <Elwood> rm -r /*
[11:50] <Elwood> ops
[11:50] <Elwood> wrong window
[11:50] <gruberman> userX:  :)
[11:53] <userX> in that case, here is my next question. Where can I configure the display driver, I want to use the nvidia driver for gnome.
[11:53] <Erix> what is the needed apt command to install the kernel compiled for athlon xp?
[11:56] <cardador> Erix: use synaptic instead and search for your kernel
[11:56] <plovs> thoreauputic, well, i am collecting stuff for a howto on the wiki
[11:57] <plovs> thoreauputic, you any good in writing howto's ?
[11:57] <Tim-E> new variant of bagle ?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> plovs, sorry afk at another box - i can write, but I'm nor maybe that knowledgeable: also I'm using debian atm, not Ubuntu - though I like the Ubuntu idea
[12:02] <Erix> cardador: thanks. will try that although i don't like guis much
[12:03] <thoreauputic> plovs, given that Ubuntu is desktop-oriented, maybe too much dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and such might not be appreciated ;)
[12:08] <bohrbug> I try to upgrade kernel image to 686 version, but my current kernel is not even in the apt-cache
[12:09] <xiximkopp> hi there! i have some problems using grub, since i've got a new mainboard. first of all grub seems not to find /boot (i worked around this using an old hd, which is very load). second i cant use splash images in grub. can anybody help me?
[12:10] <bohrbug> I can see kernel-image-2.6.7 but not 2.6.8.1-3
[12:10] <borup> yes - installed at last
[12:10] <xiximkopp> bohrbug: what about updating your cache?
[12:11] <bohrbug> xiximkopp: done, of course
[12:12] <xiximkopp> xiximkopp: i'm using synaptic, and have 2.6.8.1-16 in my cache
[12:13] <xiximkopp> bohrbug: i'm using synaptic, and have 2.6.8.1-16 in my cache
[12:13] <bohrbug> hmm, weird
[12:14] <xiximkopp> what server do you use for upadate?
[12:15] <Pizbit> heh
[12:15] <bohrbug> ah, they are named linux-image, not kernel-image
[12:15] <Pizbit> -1million Ghz:), 0MHz...:)
[12:16] <Pizbit> Ooer, 13 billion % :)
[12:18] <xiximkopp> bohrbug: you're right!
[12:19] <vasi> argh
[12:19] <Enes> I have a big Problem with Ubuntu, it seems that it cannot recognize my USB Devices (Logitech MX 500). It seems that it has a problem with my SiS chipset.
[12:21] <ToGGY> oh shit
[12:21] <ToGGY> and we are going to have no power
[12:21] <ToGGY> i seriously need to invest in a backup
[12:21] <ToGGY> lol
[12:23] <Tim-E> hehe
[12:23] <Tim-E> yes
[12:23] <ToGGY> its storming bad
[12:24] <Tim-E> why can't i mount ntfs read only on my box
[12:24] <ToGGY> ntfs is only read-only
[12:24] <Tim-E> i know
[12:24] <ToGGY> theres no support or if any very little atm
[12:25] <ToGGY> hm..
[12:25] <ToGGY> for some reason grub dont like my two ide-scsi
[12:26] <Tim-E> complains that i'm trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside
[12:27] <MeAndU> When I run synaptic from menu and supply the root pass i got this error. Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[12:27] <MeAndU>  Child terminated with 1 status
[12:28] <MeAndU> this is also same with other root apps
[12:28] <Seveas> MeAndU, you should not supply the root password
[12:28] <Seveas> but your own
[12:28] <MeAndU> i will try that, thanks
[12:29] <MeAndU> yes it worked thanks
[12:29] <Seveas> yw
[12:30] <Seveas> Tim-E, what is the problem with ntfs?
[12:30] <Seveas> what is the message you get?
[12:31] <Seveas> oh nvm i see it already :)
[12:31] <Seveas> I guess you tried to mount /dev/hda2 or something like that?
[12:31] <Tim-E> mount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /mnt/ntfs
[12:31] <Tim-E> or even -t ntfs
[12:32] <Tim-E> gives the same error
[12:32] <Seveas> /dev/hda3 is NOT your ntfs partition
[12:32] <Seveas> it is the extended partition containing the logical partition
[12:32] <Tim-E> hmmm
[12:33] <Seveas> can you paste the output of mount (without parameters) in a private window
[12:36] <MeAndU> during installation how to install lilo instead of grub
[12:36] <Seveas> not
[12:36] <Seveas> you can do it after installation though
[12:37] <MeAndU> the last time i did that i lost my dual boot, xp loader
[12:37] <MeAndU> I beleive its grub
[12:38] <optika> hi, can anybody give any pointers for installing on an Intel 915 mobo? I've inserted the ata_piix module into the kernel, but I still don't see any ata devices
[12:39] <Seveas> grub did fine for me
[12:42] <optika> although, in hte dmesg, it's seeing the drive
[12:47] <optika> ok, problems sorted.
[12:47] <steved> Forgive me if this is insanely naive, but does anyone know if there's such a thing as a gnome alarm clock?
[12:48] <steved> All I can seem to find is an alarm clock plugin for XMMS
[12:50] <Hikaru79> steved: Not that I've heard of. But what's wrong with xmms-alarm? :)
[12:50] <Pizbit> Hikaru79: It requires xmms
[12:50] <steved> Hikaru79: That it requires XMMS? ;)
[12:50] <Pizbit> steved: Ahh, great minds think alike:)
[12:50] <Hikaru79> Oh
[12:50] <steved> heh
[12:50] <Hikaru79> Err, what's wrong with xmms then? :P
[12:51] <Hikaru79> I assumed you were using it ^ ^:
[12:51] <Pizbit> It's puke material
[12:51] <Pizbit> I only have it for xmms-alarm
[12:51] <Hikaru79> Well, in that case: http://home.freeuk.net/igbarn/alarm-applet.html
[12:51] <steved> Ugly, poor UI, and it's about as far from HIG-compliant as you can get :)
[12:51] <Hikaru79> Gnome alarm applet :)
[12:51] <Pizbit> steved: What music player do you use?
[12:51] <steved> Wait, I guess those last 2 are the same :P
[12:51] <Hikaru79> What music/streaming radio player do you use then?
[12:52] <Pizbit> I need an alarm that can slowly fade in my music:)
[12:52] <steved> Pizbit: RhythmBox serves all my (relatively basic) music needs for now. I've contemplated trying Muine or YAMP, but never bothered
[12:52] <Hikaru79> LOL
[12:52] <steved> er, Hikaru79
[12:53] <Pizbit> steved: I have yet to decide what is worse, rb or xmms
[12:53] <steved> Pizbit: I know what you mean. An alarm clock with a few customizable features would be really nice. Maybe that's a hacking void that could be filled easily :)
[12:53] <Pizbit> The latter as least allowing you to configure the sound output.
[12:53] <Pizbit> steved: Yeah, I'm tempted to fill it.
[12:53] <Pizbit> 'cept I'm a lazy so who'd have to learn a fair bit to do it.
[12:54] <steved> Pizbit: rb has never given me any trouble, it's just pretty feature-weak. But I don't get too fancy with my music-playing anyway :)
[12:54] <steved> I think I might take a stab at it. I've always wanted to write an applet.
[12:54] <Pizbit> What language?
[12:55] <steved> Hrm. Tossup between C# and python.
[12:55] <steved> If it could make it into the next ubuntu release with whatever stable version of mono they end up using, I'd do it in C#.
[12:55] <Pizbit> python!
[12:55] <steved> Yeah, I know. :) Python is pretty awesome.
[12:56] <Pizbit> 'tis the only language I've bothered to more than just look at
[12:56] <gruberman> steved: How's mono? Is it .NET in linux?
[12:56] <steved> I'm a lot more familiar with C#/mono, though, since I'm a .NET convert.
[12:56] <steved> gruberman: It's the .NET foundation classes, ASP.net, and a C# compiler
[12:56] <steved> So... yes. :)
[12:57] <gruberman> Ok.. I actually downloaded c# express beta on my xp box
[12:57] <steved> It doesn't include anything unfree, like Passport.
[12:58] <steved> gruberman: I would recommend getting a copy of vs.net, if you plan on writing C# on Windows with any kind of regularity.
[12:58] <gruberman> steved: I wont :)
[12:58] <steved> hehe
[12:58] <steved> Fair enough ;)
[12:58] <gruberman> I thinking of doing something on the linux box
[12:58] <steved> With mono?
[12:59] <gruberman> but time is limited (family, work,house) so I'm trying to figure out which language to use
[12:59] <steved> Ah.
[12:59] <steved> If your time is limited, I'd say go for python.
[01:00] <liten> python or perl
[01:00] <jamaas> Can someone please give me a diagnostic program/utility to run that will give me some idea of why my external HD will not connect via 1394?  Thanks
[01:00] <steved> It's an easy language to learn, it's clean, it's easy to write good code with, and it's very very free. :)
[01:00] <gruberman> Yeah, python looks fun :)
[01:01] <liten> hehe, python is a tad more limited than perl, and a tad easier to learn :P
[01:01] <gruberman> I reallt like pascal tho
[01:02] <Pizbit> Hahaha:)
[01:02] <steved> It may only be a tad easier to learn. But it makes code which is infinitely more readable, since perl tends to have an inverse relation between code cleanliness and quality ;)
[01:02] <liten> gruberman: then look at ADA
[01:02] <gruberman> Or delphi rather
[01:02] <liten> steved: perl isnt readable, but it works
[01:03] <steved> liten: I've had too many years of software engineering propaganda pumped into my brain to let that work as an argument anymore. ;)
[01:03] <liten> steved: hehe, i wasnt trying to make progaganda, i am too old for that shit
[01:03] <steved> haha, didn't think you were :)
[01:03] <liten> steved: i use C, i like C, and i doubt i learn something else than basics in other languages
[01:04] <liten> but, you dont learn C overnight
[01:04] <steved> No, that's for sure.
[01:04] <steved> I would still consider C easier to learn than perl, but I guess that's pretty subjective.
[01:04] <gruberman> well, python it is
[01:04] <gruberman> lots of good docs and stuff on the net
[01:04] <steved> I suppose perl does get a person writing useful code quickly.
[01:05] <liten> nah, i'd say perl is easier to learn than C, atleast to get started
[01:05] <liten> but, C is a sortof better start, if you want to learn other languages
[01:05] <liten> but, that again, is very subjective
[01:05] <steved> :)
[01:06] <liten> if you learn perl first, most other languages are just very different
[01:06] <steved> Yeah.
[01:06] <steved> If you're writing clean perl, though (before you try to learn anything else), learning a new language probably wouldn't be too bad.
[01:06] <jolg> is there a simple way too install mono and gtk# in ubuntu... Or do I have to download and compile?
[01:07] <steved> Once you've hit one of the C family you have most popular languages covered. :)
[01:07] <Pizbit> steved: Don't suppose you know of any python-gnome howto resources for building applets and whatnot?
[01:07] <steved> jolg: There's an unsupported repo (which works quite well - it's well-maintained). I'll find it for you
[01:07] <jamaas> What language will help me find hard drive on 1394 ?? ;)
[01:07] <jolg> steved: thanks
[01:07] <kent> jolg, have you checked if its in universe?
[01:07] <steved> Pizbit: No, sorry
[01:07] <liten> eh?
[01:07] <gruberman> Well, I'm not going to write a new 3D-engine that would rival Carmacks stuff, so time to start collecting links :)
[01:07] <steved> kent: it isn't, for some reason
[01:08] <liten> its not in universe, but it is in multiverse
[01:08] <steved> Oh, right.
[01:08] <liten> put in multiverse, and you find mono there
[01:08] <jolg> kent: ok, I'm new to debianish linuxsystems.
[01:08] <steved> I installed ubuntu and mono before I knew there was a multiverse (or possibly before it existed)
[01:08] <jolg> how do I do that?
[01:08] <liten> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[01:08] <jolg> ok
[01:08] <liten> put that line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <Tomcat_> What's multiverse compared to universe?
[01:09] <liten> "more"
[01:09] <steved> Hehe
[01:09] <jolg> *lol*
[01:09] <Tomcat_> I read universe was Debian unstable, so what is multiverse? :)
[01:09] <gruberman> steved: is PyGTK something to look into?
[01:09] <steved> gruberman: I would say so
[01:09] <seb128> Tomcat_: one example: mplayer
[01:09] <steved> If you're planning on writing GUI apps
[01:09] <Pizbit> gruberman: I've used a small bit of it in my own small app and it seems cool:)
[01:09] <liten> Tomcat_: an open unstable repos?
[01:10] <Tomcat_> Oh... alright.
[01:10] <seb128> Tomcat_: extra stuff not in debian
[01:10] <Tomcat_> Kewl... that makes it even more usable. :)
[01:10] <steved> gruberman: I think PyWx (or whatever) is supposed to be good, too (particularly for cross-platform code) - but I"ve never really played with wx, and I'm pretty partial to Gtk thanks to Gtk# ;)
[01:10] <gruberman> I always end up doing a yatzy app, so it would be nice with a GUI
[01:10] <kent> isn't multiverse the same as universe but it contains non-free stuff aswell? But just MIGHT be wrong ;)
[01:10] <gruberman> steved: GTK for c#?
[01:10] <Pizbit> steved: Ugh, wx, that's always looked horrible on my machine
[01:11] <jolg> mine too
[01:11] <jolg> I hate python!
[01:11] <liten> hehe
[01:11] <liten> i like qt or gtk
[01:11] <steved> Pizbit: Good to know :) I don't think I've ever seen a wx app
[01:11] <jolg> it always give me trouble... at least almost always! ;-)
[01:11] <gruberman> That's the thing I have problems with in linux. All those GTK, wx and stuff
[01:11] <steved> gruberman: Yeah, a GTK library for Mono (C#, VB.net, etc.)
[01:12] <Pizbit> dang, nope
[01:12] <steved> gruberman: Yeah, all the widget sets are pretty annoying. Hopefully sometime in the future fd.org will help everyone standardize something beautiful :)
[01:13] <steved> seb128: multiverse contains nonfree stuff?
[01:13] <gruberman> steved: So GTK is just an API for X or something? Jsut like wx is another?
[01:13] <jolg> what is the gtk# packet called?
[01:13] <steved> jolg: gtk-sharp, I think
[01:13] <jolg> steved: ofcourse =)
[01:14] <Tomcat_> 5 minutes till I get to try Ubuntu on my lappy! :D
[01:15] <Tomcat_> Can somebody do a package search for "madwifi" please?
[01:15] <steved> gruberman: I'm sure I'm not the best person to be explaining widget toolkits, so I'll leave that to someone more knowledgable. But the only 2 you really need to worry about are GTK and Qt.
[01:15] <ThreeDayMonk> where can I get esddsp?
[01:16] <ajmitch> jolg: it may be libgtk-cil
[01:16] <vasi> ThreeDayMonk, esddsp comes with esd...but that's a buggy way to do things
[01:16] <vasi> you're better off enabling dmix so multiple things can connect to also
[01:16] <vasi> ALSA, sorry
[01:17] <jolg> ajmitch: yes apt-get told me so.. He's kind of smart! =)
[01:17] <ThreeDayMonk> vasi: do you understand this well?  I'd be grateful for some help
[01:18] <ThreeDayMonk> I've got a USB headset which I'd like to use with skype
[01:18] <Tim-E> what's the environment refresh command in bash ?
[01:19] <jordi> slightly on-topic, the ALSA debian dudes are looking into making the setup of dmix in alsa-lib a bit easier in the next uploads.
[01:20] <ajmitch> afternoon jordi  :)
[01:20] <vasi> ThreeDayMonk, i'm no expert, but i just got it working myself thanks to some links
[01:20] <Delgul> Hey all... Need some general info on Ubuntu... anyone that has installed recently and want to tell something about it? Preferably a Debian die-hard...
[01:20] <vasi> ALSA has a great wiki, look around there
[01:21] <vasi> jordi, that's great news
[01:21] <ThreeDayMonk> so... I need to install ALSA, first of all
[01:21] <Treenaks> Delgul: what do you want to know...
[01:21] <jordi> hi ajmitch
[01:22] <Delgul> Treenaks: Ok, I am confused about the package management. Will I have my apt-get update/upgrade and can I upgrade into eternity?
[01:22] <Treenaks> yes, yes
[01:23] <Delgul> Treenaks: Cool... freedom of choice in KDE/Gnome?
[01:23] <Delgul> Treenaks: Kernel 2.6 or 2.4?
[01:23] <Treenaks> Delgul: 2.6
[01:23] <Delgul> Treenaks: ALSA or OSS audio?
[01:23] <Treenaks> Delgul: freedom of choice, basically.. but KDE is not supported (you can install it, not guarantees)
[01:23] <Treenaks> Delgul: ALSA, OSS emu
[01:24] <Delgul> Treenaks: Cool... where's the catch then? Can I install it comercially for my customers without starting to pay?
[01:25] <vasi> GPL == catch?
[01:25] <Treenaks> Delgul: it's Free.. just like Debian is
[01:25] <Delgul> Treenaks: So how do they pay for the developers they hired?
[01:26] <Treenaks> Delgul: uhhh.. isn't that in the FAQ?
[01:26] <Delgul> vasi: GPL is no problem ;-)
[01:26] <Treenaks> Delgul: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:26] <Treenaks> Delgul: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."
[01:26] <Treenaks> Delgul: "The Ubuntu Project is a community project with participation from many volunteers, sponsored by Canonical Ltd. Canonical will not charge licence fees for Ubuntu, now or at any stage in the future. Canonical's business model is to provide technical support and professional services related to Ubuntu."
[01:26] <Delgul> Treenaks: You are right, perhaps I should read that one too ;-) What is your general impression Treenaks?
[01:27] <Treenaks> Delgul: I love it :)
[01:27] <Treenaks> Delgul: I've become an instant Ubuntu salesman ;)
[01:27] <Delgul> Treenaks: Any points you don love that you want to share?
[01:28] <Treenaks> uhh, not really
[01:28] <Keybuk> Delgul: Canonical is fully-funded by Mark for quite a while ... otherwise we have various methods of making money including support, for which we already have customers; also it doesn't actually cost a huge amount to run Canonical, largely just the wage bill and hosting costs -- we don't have offices or other traditional corporate overhead
[01:28] <Tim-E> cd //
[01:28] <Tim-E> whoops :)
[01:28] <Treenaks> Tim-E: wrong window ;)
[01:28] <Tim-E> indeed
[01:28] <Delgul> Treenaks: Thanks... I will be trying it this weekend ;-)
[01:29] <stvn> Delgul: well, it doesn't have psycic abilities, so I still have to click on stuff to open, other than that it's perfect ;)
[01:30] <Delgul> stvn: Thanks... the psychic abilities will probably be implemented soon I gather ;-)
[01:31] <stvn> at least it does cross channel chat ;)
[01:33] <Android16> hello
[01:34] <gruberman> Why are the Debian folks so bitchy about ubuntu?
[01:35] <stvn> gruberman: they are? I guess they prefer 'real' debian over all the derivatives
[01:36] <stvn> I remember haning out in #debian and see knoppix ppl told to bugger off to #knoppix, they do have a point in saying that #debian is for debian and not knoppix ubuntu etc
[01:36] <vasi> oy...the power management unit is convinced that my *desktop* is running off battery
[01:37] <mjr> does reportbug work with ubuntu appropriately, btw?
[01:37] <vasi> yeah, you can't expect debian folks to take responsibility for fixing things of which they have no knowledge
[01:37] <liten> vasi: nice
[01:37] <cardador> mjr: in my experience, yes
[01:37] <liten> vasi: you actually have a /proc/acpi/battery/ on a desktop?
[01:38] <stvn> vasi: do you have a battery?
[01:38] <gruberman> stvn: Sorry, didn't mean to say EVERYONE :)
[01:39] <gruberman> stvn: But alot of them
[01:39] <vasi> er, no i don't have a battery
[01:40] <stvn> gruberman: ah well, they're just jealous ;)
[01:40] <vasi> no acpi...it's some bug in the powerpc pmu i think
[01:40] <stvn> vasi: ah that's the problem than
[01:40] <stvn> vasi: it also thinks here it runs from battery, whereas I have a normal AT PC
[01:41] <vasi> well it's annoying, because now anacron thinks "oh, he's on battery! better wait til he's on AC before running heavy tasks"
[01:41] <vasi> which means it waits forever
[01:41] <Delgul> Treenaks,stvn: Is the evolution-exchange plugin available as a package that you can see?
[01:41] <stvn> Delgul: it's installed by default with evo
[01:42] <Treenaks> Delgul: yes, it's installed by default
[01:44] <vasi> i think i'll write up a "PPC Gotchas" section on the wiki
[01:44] <vasi> ubuntu's still the best ppc distro around, maybe tied with YDL...but there are so many things that are so f-ing complicated to get working
[01:44] <Android16> where can i add static routes to ubuntu ?
[01:46] <Tomcat_> lol... my ram disk is too small for Ubuntu Live.
[01:48] <Android16> mm
[01:49] <Thor> hi, anyone around ?
[01:49] <Android16> where do you put commands that need to run @ startup ?
[01:49] <Treenaks> Android16: what startup? login or system?
[01:49] <liten> Android16: what kind of command?
[01:50] <Thor> i gtg, ill be back alter, igot some qns about ubunut to ask some knowledgable person
[01:50] <liten> Thor: we're all blondes here
[01:50] <borup> woops - running grubconf was a bad idea
[01:50] <stvn> liten: not me, I died my hair
[01:50] <liten> Thor: stop using all the shorts, makes me scared
[01:50] <liten> stvn: cheater :P
[01:50] <stvn> liten: AI
[01:50] <Android16> want to put route add statements to be executed when servers starts up
[01:52] <ajmitch> Android16: probably best to put them in the network config
[01:53] <ajmitch> Android16: /etc/network/interfaces
[01:53] <Thor> heheh,
[01:53] <Thor> well, i might aswell ask now since i got a few mins
[01:53] <Thor> i have a 466mhz celeron with 64mb ram, will ubuntu work on it ?>
[01:54] <Android16> ajmitch, thanks , will try
[01:54] <tmartin> hey whats a good IDE for C/C++ dev in gnome?
[01:54] <Thor> even if i have to turn everythign down, i dont care, as long as it is easy to turn it all down im fine with it
[01:54] <spiv> Thor: Yeah, but the full gnome environment will be a bit slow.
[01:54] <liten> Android16: reading man 5 interfaces is good though
[01:54] <ajmitch> Android16: check the interfaces man page for examples :)
[01:54] <spiv> Thor: You'll probably want to switch to fluxbox or something like that after install.
[01:54] <borup> how do I recreate my (now empty) menu.lst for grub
[01:54] <Lathiat> borup: update-grub ?
[01:54] <Thor> spiv, so it has KDE or somthing ?
[01:54] <Android16> *Thanks*
[01:55] <Thor> so your sure it will work ?
[01:55] <Thor> will it run well, even with the stuff turned down, or will it trudge along ?
[01:55] <spiv> Thor: The standard install is GNOME 2.8.  KDE is available, but is not supported and not on the CD.
[01:55] <Tomcat_> Bah... no Ubuntu Live for me. :I
[01:55] <borup> Lathiat: thanks
[01:55] <Android16> got squid, sendmail and mysql running on server , just battling with Trend Viruswall
[01:55] <spiv> I don't know how well it'll run, exactly... try it and see ;)
[01:56] <spiv> But I suspect 64 MB will be a little uncomfortable.
[01:56] <sven-eric> Hi! Is there any way to mount/access a server via the scp-protocoll into nautilus?
[01:56] <Thor> what is the min requirements for it ?
[01:56] <vasi> sven-eric, i don't know the answer but gftp is a good client
[01:57] <beezly> sven-eric: nautilus can do sft
[01:57] <beezly> sven-eric: sftp even
[01:57] <ropca> 400mhz celeron , 256mb ram - works fine
[01:57] <beezly> sven-eric: try that... if the server is running OpenSSH it will probably work
[01:57] <Thor> ohh ok
[01:57] <Thor> thanks for your help folks, really appreciate it :)
[01:57] <Thor> ill be back later, cyas
[01:57] <sven-eric> beezly: but how can I do it?
[01:58] <liten> 64mb ram works fine, but it would require some tuning
[01:58] <vasi> sven-eric: maybe with "open location"?
[01:59] <plovs_work> is there a way to easily share a folder with a windows comuter in ubuntu? or is the only way editing samba.conf?
[01:59] <sven-eric> I tried it with 'connect to server' and selected ssh as protocoll, but I can't access the mount afterwards, altough the settings seem to be perfectly correct.
[02:00] <liten> plovs_work: the easy way is samba
[02:00] <vasi> sven, use sftp:// as the protocol
[02:01] <chz> hello all
[02:01] <vasi> so "sftp://vasi@server.org/home/vasi/blah"
[02:01] <vasi> not sure if it supports passwords...
[02:01] <plovs_work> liten, thanks
[02:01] <chz> ubuntu has just been getting better and better everyday...
[02:01] <stvn> sven-eric: ssh:/// might work as well
[02:01] <chz> but i have one problem as of yet....was wonderin if sumbody might help..
[02:02] <Fanglez> guys, does ubuntu automatically setup internet connections from detected devices?
[02:02] <Lathiat> Fanglez: You'll have to set it up in Computer -> System Preferences -> Network
[02:02] <chz> rite now im trying to get mp3 streaming to work...tried through rythmbox and xmms...both downloaded through synaptic..
[02:02] <chz> and it just sits at Buffer...or the program hangs..
[02:03] <chz> any ideas..?
[02:03] <Fanglez> thanks Lathiat, didn't know if i'd be abe to get out after install, never encountered Ubuntu before:)
[02:03] <cardador> chz: install gstreamer-mad
[02:03] <chz> sumtimes mpg123 works...but not all the time..
[02:03] <spiv> chz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:04] <chz> gstreamer-mad...ok..
[02:04] <jamaas> anyone there who can help diagnose a 1394 disk connection error ??  Please ... :)
[02:08] <chz> gstreamer-mad didnt work...anyother ideas..?
[02:09] <seb128> gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:09] <vasi> i'm currently streaming radioparadise just fine
[02:09] <chz> im going to reboot...i'll brb..
[02:10] <vasi> with rhythmbox...why is it giving you problems?
[02:13] <vasi> hmmm....what's a good yet simple programming editor?
[02:16] <GotD0t> vasi: gedit
[02:17] <Pizbit> vim
[02:17] <borup> vasi: that is a contradiction in terms
[02:17] <GotD0t> haha
[02:17] <stvn> vasi: !Zap
[02:17] <GotD0t> borup: very true
[02:17] <GotD0t> vasi: you can use any text editor you wish
[02:18] <GotD0t> vasi: just a matter of personal preference
[02:21] <vasi> well i'm just looking for something that won't make me do arcane key-commands a la vi/emacs, but still can show me a list of all the functions
[02:21] <chz> yeah...same thing...nothing happened...
[02:21] <vasi> i guess kate could work...
[02:21] <chz> just sits at buffer
[02:22] <LinuxJones> chz, what does ?
[02:23] <ToGGY> LOL
[02:23] <ToGGY> im liking the dual monitors!
[02:23] <chz> xmms and rhythmbox...when i try to connect to a stream...
[02:23] <GotD0t> oh ToGGY its an addiction
[02:23] <ToGGY> true thaty
[02:23] <GotD0t> ToGGY once you go dual you'll hate using only one for more than 10 minutes
[02:23] <ToGGY> how do I make gnome panels go across both monitors?
[02:23] <ToGGY> i know
[02:23] <ToGGY> i used it when I used windows about a month ago
[02:24] <GotD0t> ToGGY its gotten to the point where i cant even go to the computing labs at my college
[02:24] <LinuxJones> chz, you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:24] <ToGGY> how do I make gnome panels go across both monitors?
[02:24] <GotD0t> ToGGY I dont think you can make the same panel stretch... but you can make a new one
[02:25] <GotD0t> just right click on one of the existing ones and click new panel, then drag that one where you wish and customize it
[02:25] <ToGGY> whats the point of that if you cant have a massave ass task bar?
[02:25] <chz> oo...i think i just installed gstreamer-mad...not 0.8...i'll try that..=)
[02:26] <GotD0t> ToGGY ?
[02:26] <ToGGY> wanna see the sexyness?
[02:27] <ToGGY> cant read my font lol\
[02:27] <GotD0t> ?
[02:27] <stvn> ToGGY: I seem to remember desktops with spread panels
[02:28] <stvn> dunno how though
[02:28] <ToGGY> doesnt help me now :(
[02:28] <stvn> ToGGY: tried google?
[02:28] <chz> yes...gstreamer0.8...wonderful...=)..gotta keep that in my logbook...thanks..=)
[02:29] <LinuxJones> ;)
[02:29] <ToGGY> i had to break my pc desk to get dual monitords
[02:29] <ToGGY> thats hardcore
[02:30] <GotD0t> hahaha
[02:30] <ToGGY> lol
[02:31] <GotD0t> ToGGY my desk was bought in anticipation of a second monitor on the way
[02:32] <ToGGY> i could run dual x
[02:32] <ToGGY> ;-)
[02:32] <ToGGY> gnome on one monitor
[02:32] <GotD0t> eh
[02:32] <ToGGY> then somthing else on the other
[02:32] <ToGGY> ;-)
[02:32] <GotD0t> why
[02:32] <Treenaks> ToGGY: more gnome?
[02:33] <ToGGY> I WANT GNOME PANEL TO WORK RIGHt
[02:33] <Pizbit> ToGGY: Kick it
[02:33] <Treenaks> ToGGY: please don't shout :)
[02:33] <ToGGY> i kicked it
[02:33] <ToGGY> and it didnt work
[02:33] <Pizbit> Harder
[02:34] <GotD0t> why dont you make a new panel that acts just like an extension of the otehr one
[02:35] <ToGGY> when i hide it it goes to the other monitor
[02:35] <ToGGY> lol
[02:35] <GotD0t> wah?
[02:36] <chz> so...just curious...wut is everybody's most dreaded linux distro..?
[02:36] <Pizbit> Fedora*
[02:37] <stvn> ubuntu
[02:37] <Pizbit> stvn: 'Dreaded' not 'desired' :)
[02:37] <chz> =P...rite..!
[02:37] <stvn> Pizbit: oh must have misread
[02:38] <stvn> anyway ubuntu is horrible, there's nothing to moan or bitch about :(
[02:38] <chz> yes...i cannot stand Fedora...
[02:38] <Pizbit> Haha
[02:38] <chz> haha..
[02:38] <Treenaks> suse
[02:38] <chz> before i found ubuntu..i was using xandros...that was pretty good....but..
[02:38] <vasi> this might sound really weird....but what would be the easiest way to get mozilla 1.6 or earlier onto my ubuntu install?
[02:38] <Pizbit> chz: Basically anything that isn't debian based and good heh
[02:38] <Treenaks> vasi: what's wrong with a current version?
[02:39] <chz> yeah...i've come to realize recently that debian is the way to go..
[02:39] <chz> had to learn the hard way tho...;-)
[02:39] <vasi> there's no PPC Java plugin that works on Moz >= 1.7
[02:39] <ToGGY> lol
[02:39] <Treenaks> vasi: scarey
[02:39] <stvn> in a very grey past I've tried red hat, suse, slackware, mandrake but I always came back to debian, have used it as my sole OS for 4 years now, so can't really comment on any of the other distro's
[02:39] <Pizbit> chz: Likewise
[02:39] <vasi> well, no PPC Linux Java plugin
[02:40] <ToGGY> anyone wanna see my desktop?>
[02:40] <GotD0t> is there a way to find out the bitrate of a mp3 file?
[02:40] <ToGGY> xmms
[02:40] <chz> toggy: sure
[02:40] <chz> mpg123
[02:41] <Pizbit> file ?
[02:41] <Pizbit> Not sure if it does that
[02:41] <GotD0t> wav samplerate is 44100 hz right?
[02:41] <GotD0t> for cds i ,mean
[02:41] <sven-eric> Hi there - i just wanted to let you know that i solved the scp-over-nautilus issue. The problem was just, that the mount-dialog freezes if you have key-based authentication enabled. If you shh-add your keys before, everything works fine. Thanks.
[02:41] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, ya 44 khz
[02:42] <GotD0t> k
[02:42] <GotD0t> thanks
[02:42] <GotD0t> im out
[02:46] <ToGGY> ok who wanted to see my desktop>?
[02:47] <Vitamin> howdy
[02:47] <ToGGY> yo
[02:47] <Vitamin> wow many people here
[02:47] <Treenaks> popular distribution ;)
[02:47] <Vitamin> i heard of it today for the first time =)
[02:48] <ToGGY> yesterday was mine
[02:49] <ToGGY> well 11pm yesterday
[02:49] <ToGGY> and now I am on it
[02:49] <Lathiat> ss
[02:49] <Vitamin> did you already install it?
[02:49] <Vitamin> is the ubutu live cd a true live cd like knoppix or is it more like those debian live cd which have no x window (gui)
[02:50] <ToGGY> yeh
[02:50] <ToGGY> its installed
[02:50] <stvn> Vitamin: like knoppix
[02:50] <Vitamin> ah ok
[02:50] <stvn> Vitamin: ubuntu is very gui minded
[02:50] <Vitamin> thats great, cause i love gui hehe
[02:50] <stvn> Vitamin: than you'll love ubuntu
[02:50] <ToGGY> yeah
[02:51] <ToGGY> ubuntu is great
[02:51] <chz> yeah...i was used to kde b4 i jumped onto ubuntu..but i've learned to compensate..i actually like gnome now..=)
[02:51] <stvn> ToGGY: got that screenshot posted already?
[02:51] <ToGGY> working on it
[02:51] <ToGGY> i gotta make it sexy
[02:51] <stvn> heh
[02:51] <Vitamin> i LOVE that it only has 1 cd. those other distros always come with 5 cds or so, thats too much to download
[02:52] <stvn> :)
[02:52] <chz> i agree...
[02:52] <stvn> Debian comes with a 110MB download, which is even better :)
[02:52] <Vitamin> who needs all those apps anyway. when i need a new mail client ill download it :)
[02:52] <ajame> but must have internet
[02:52] <stvn> ajame: true, but I must have internet as well, so it suits me
[02:53] <|trey|> stvn, Ubuntu should create Netinst discs imo... although Gnoppix is nice for maintenance...
[02:54] <|trey|> Or, I should say "Ubuntu Live CD"
[02:55] <ajame> stvn, many ppl on dial-up same me
[02:55] <stvn> ajame: yeah I know
[02:56] <Vitamin> ive another question, what if i wanna install something that has those rpm files. some have rpms for suse, redhat and mandrake, which one should one take for uguntu?
[02:56] <|trey|> ajame, so maybe its not practical for you... but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be the option...
[02:56] <cenerentola> stvn: hi there
[02:56] <vasi> hmm, apparently konq can do java 1.4
[02:56] <stvn> hey cenerentola
[02:56] <Treenaks> Vitamin: you won't need them, as most programs are included in ubuntu's "universe"
[02:56] <ToGGY> GOD
[02:57] <stvn> Vitamin: none, you need .debs, most software is already available as .debs
[02:57] <Treenaks> Vitamin: you can just use synaptic
[02:57] <|trey|> vasi, umm, yeah... so can Mozilla-Firefox though, and there are less libs...
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Vitamin: try to avoid rpm
[02:57] <vasi> trey, not on PPC
[02:57] <cenerentola> stvn: one question... how do you call the mat some ppl use when they eat?
[02:57] <ToGGY> ok uploading
[02:57] <|trey|> vasi, its still about 150-200mb's in libs  :/
[02:57] <stvn> cenerentola: eh? placemat?
[02:58] <cenerentola> i'll try
[02:58] <Vitamin> okay thanks for the infos
[02:58] <ToGGY> stvn: ready?
[02:58] <stvn> yep
[02:58] <ToGGY> :(
[02:58] <ToGGY> new apache is out!
[02:58] <ToGGY> http://img42.exs.cx/img42/8622/Screenshot5.png
[02:58] <ToGGY> be scared
[02:58] <vasi> trey, i'm using some of kde anyhow
[02:59] <ToGGY> OMG
[02:59] <ToGGY> i just relized somthing
[02:59] <Vitamin> hmm.. i think its kind of weird (stupid) that there are many many variants for installation files, they should create a standard :)
[03:00] <ajame> |trey|, would option .. will useful when i get better connection in near future
[03:00] <stvn> ToGGY: what iconset do you use?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Vitamin: you are now part of the "they" to which you refer :)
[03:00] <ToGGY> OMG
[03:01] <ToGGY> gant of course
[03:01] <Vitamin> hehe they wont have fun with me, i dont know anything about linux programming ;) (only winapi)
[03:01] <chz> ToGGY: i like the gnant iconset as well..;-)
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Vitamin: Open source is like that - if you don't like something, "they" (ie "we") tell you to go do some coding :)
[03:01] <Vitamin> LOOL what the heck is that screenshot, i have to scroll for several meters to see it all hahaha
[03:02] <vasi> thoreauputic, or pay one of us to do it :-)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> vasi: true, if "we" get lucky :)
[03:02] <chz> i havent really used Xchat....u guyz think thats better than the Gaim IRC..?
[03:02] <ToGGY> lol
[03:03] <stvn> i prefer irssi
[03:03] <vasi> i like xchat...never tried gaim for irc, wasn't even aware it COULD
[03:03] <ToGGY> depends what mood im in
[03:03] <ToGGY> ill use irssi
[03:03] <chz> yeah..i found out the first day i got ubuntu...sumbody suggested it..
[03:03] <|trey|> Like, the week of the release, whatever is #1 on there should be what is used for the distro... change it each release (only if the #1 is diff though of course)
[03:04] <ToGGY> I like eterm
[03:06] <|trey|> s/of/as/   (guess what)
[03:06] <ToGGY> woohoo
[03:06] <ToGGY> OOH
[03:06] <ToGGY> music via rythym box
[03:07] <|trey|> ToGGY, Rhythm
[03:07] <ToGGY> im liking the dual heads
[03:07] <plovs_work> |trey|, you can use both use irssi as a proxy for xchat
[03:07] <ToGGY> i got a new screenshot!
[03:07] <chz_> on xchat
[03:08] <chz> on gaim
[03:08] <chz_> oo..theres dcc on xchat?
[03:08] <|trey|> plovs_work, huh? but why? I usually use an x-terminal now, don't like the effects I get at top of screen when switching from vt to x
[03:11] <ToGGY> wanna see my updated screeny?
[03:11] <Vitamin> i wanna se it :)
[03:12] <ToGGY> gotta install gftp
[03:12] <chz_> apt-get update gftp
[03:12] <stvn> hm i prefer suede over gnant, it's too fluffy for my taste
[03:12] <stvn> sudo apt-get install gftp actually ;)
[03:13] <chz_> good one...=P
[03:13] <ToGGY> ;p;
[03:13] <chz_> has anybody been to www.kevinrose.com ?
[03:13] <ToGGY> http://georgedubya.info/Screenshot.png
[03:13] <ToGGY> simple yet sleek
[03:14] <ToGGY> firefox 1.0 rc1?
[03:15] <ToGGY> i like it
[03:15] <stvn> ToGGY: what sources did you use?
[03:15] <ToGGY> sources?
[03:16] <stvn> ToGGY: or didn't you install it via apt?
[03:16] <ToGGY> synaptic
[03:16] <ToGGY> ;-)
[03:16] <ToGGY> i said I install stuff I use alot via source
[03:16] <stvn> same difference
[03:17] <stvn> heh I never bothered about blam because I thought you needed some fance external source,but it's just in universe ;)
[03:17] <plovs_work> |trey|, i actually like xchat, but i like irssi as well
[03:17] <ajame> ToGGY, too large sreen
[03:17] <ToGGY> i need to call my isp
[03:17] <ToGGY> lol
[03:17] <ajame> screen
[03:17] <ToGGY> dual monitors!
[03:17] <plovs_work> what is the command to see what process is blocking my floppydisk?
[03:17] <stvn> ToGGY: I meant source as in repository aka /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:17] <ToGGY> i think universe
[03:17] <chz_> gotta finish studyin sum physics 2...test in 3 hrs...
[03:17] <|trey|> plovs_work, I like it, sure... but I never got the most out of it I guess... and just find XChat more convenient...
[03:18] <plovs_work> |trey|, and it looks really cool on irc to say you use irssi, that's what i do it for
[03:18] <Nafallo> plovs_work: lsof /dev/fd0
[03:19] <|trey|> plovs_work, I'm not out to seem "cool"  :/
[03:19] <plovs_work> Nafallo, *that's* it, my memory is failing already i need another tattoo
[03:20] <Nafallo> plovs_work: hehe :-)
[03:20] <plovs_work> Nafallo, thanks!
[03:20] <ToGGY> how do I export a gpg key
[03:21] <Lathiat> gpg --export -a
[03:21] <Lathiat> think you can throw the keyid onthe end
[03:21] <stvn> http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png my rather crowded screen
[03:21] <Nafallo> plovs_work: np
[03:22] <ToGGY> yeah
[03:22] <altan> does anyone know how I can set the Scite fonts to be antialiased, i'm guessing I want the fonts to use the font server?
[03:23] <ToGGY> i need to put portage on here
[03:24] <vasi> altan, i was just wondering that myself
[03:24] <Nafallo> damn I need a better connection :-P
[03:24] <vasi> if you find out, tell me :-)
[03:24] <jolg> is there a program for deb/ubuntu like checkinstall for slackware
[03:25] <stvn> jolg: what does that do?
[03:25] <gruberman> stvn: Gah, I was hoping to see my nick in Irssi :)
[03:25] <jolg> it runs make install but with a fakeroot and creates a slackware package
[03:26] <stvn> gruberman: aw, it had scrolled out of sight ;)
[03:26] <gruberman> stvn: Yeah right... :)
[03:26] <stvn> actually i had /ignore'd you ;)
[03:27] <gruberman> stvn: thats closer to the thruth
[03:27] <gruberman> ;)
[03:27] <altan> vasi: I fixed it
[03:27] <altan> open global properties
[03:27] <altan> then scroll down to if Plat = gtk
[03:27] <altan> er, if PLAT_GTK
[03:27] <altan> then add a ! to the beginning of each font name
[03:28] <plovs_work> |trey|, actually the main reason i use it for is to be able to use ssh and have the same session and be able to login/logout and do the same, but yes xchat is just easier to wor with, that's why i use both
[03:28] <altan> font.base=font:!lucidatypewriter,size:12 <--- like that
[03:28] <gruberman> stvn: what font is that?
[03:28] <vasi> altan cool, thanks!
[03:28] <altan> vasi, also remember to start scite as sudo or edit the permissions to to /usr/share/scite/SciTEGlobal.properties
[03:28] <Acridien> hey i can't print anymore
[03:28] <Acridien> any idea
[03:29] <Acridien> I started my usb printer after the boot process
[03:29] <drees> acridien: what's changed since you could print?
[03:29] <stvn> gruberman: which one?
[03:29] <Acridien> drees: i don't know
[03:29] <drees> did you remove any packages?
[03:30] <ToGGY> lol
[03:30] <gruberman> stvn: the Irssi one
[03:30] <Acridien> drees: no is it hot plus
[03:30] <Acridien> hotplug
[03:30] <ToGGY> im installing portage on ubuntu!
[03:30] <ToGGY> OMG
[03:30] <stvn> gruberman: monospace 7pt
[03:30] <ToGGY> I INSTALLED PORTAGE ON UBUNTU!
[03:30] <ToGGY> sorry for the caops
[03:30] <Acridien> ToGGY: why don't you stay on gentoo?
[03:30] <plovs_work> stvn, nice screenshot
[03:30] <Acridien> stick with gentoo i mean
[03:31] <ToGGY> because my pc didnt like it
[03:31] <ToGGY> i kept getting errors cuz i have a gig of ram
[03:31] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:31] <gruberman> stvn: ok
[03:31] <Acridien> ToGGY: but gentoo's strengh is the optimization no?
[03:32] <gruberman> brb
[03:32] <ToGGY> true
[03:32] <ToGGY> i dont understand it
[03:32] <ToGGY> it worked before
[03:32] <ToGGY> now it doesnt
[03:32] <Acridien> drees: don't know what happen but could it be due to the fact i started my printer after the startup
[03:32] <Nafallo> Acridien: both yes and no. every upgrade the system takes more load than it earns for the optimized binary :-P.
[03:33] <Acridien> Nafallo: repeat pls in other words im newbie
[03:33] <vasi> ah, finally found a nice editor...anjuta
[03:33] <ToGGY> yeah
[03:33] <Acridien> Nafallo: and not english
[03:33] <ToGGY> mmm portage on ubuntu!
[03:34] <Nafallo> Acridien: ehm, not english? ;-)
[03:34] <Acridien> Nafallo: explain pls what you mean ?
[03:35] <Acridien> How do i restart hotplug or any detection system for my printer ?
[03:35] <Acridien> it wont' print
[03:36] <Kyaneos> can i upgrade to unstable??
[03:36] <mrjive> where can i find kernel-source-2.6.8-1-3-386 ?
[03:36] <Acridien> mrjive: main repository
[03:36] <Acridien> mrjive: i think
[03:37] <mrjive> Acridien, strange...
[03:37] <Nafallo> Acridien: in gentoo you compile EVERY package. compiling eats resources, more resources than you earn for that compiled program.
[03:37] <mrjive> i cannot find them there
[03:37] <ThreeDayMonk> I found a possible solution to my problem, but I don't understand it! "I have to actually manipulate the mixer devices (/dev/mixer=output, /dev/mixer1=input) before sounds will play" - Can anyone translate it?!
[03:37] <Acridien> mrjive: why ?
[03:37] <mrjive> Acridien, apt-cache search kernel-source stop with 2.6.7
[03:38] <Acridien> Nafallo: but one is not always compiliing ?!?
[03:38] <Nafallo> mrjive: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:38] <Acridien> mrjive: it's linux something
[03:38] <mrjive> Nafallo, uh... why such a name?
[03:38] <Acridien> mrjive: not kernel something
[03:38] <Acridien> mrjive: serach linux
[03:38] <mrjive> good i found them...
[03:38] <mrjive> tnx a lot
[03:38] <Acridien> mrjive: your'e welcome
[03:38] <ToGGY> wow..
[03:38] <Nafallo> Acridien: only when you're upgrading :-). a new revision of kde have to compile it again, and that takes time :-P.
[03:39] <Nafallo> mrjive: cause it IS linux-sources?
[03:39] <Acridien> Nafallo: you are a previous gentoo user isn't it ?
[03:39] <pretz> Greetings from gray, damp New Jersey. Has anyone here had any luck with a Belkin  6050 USB wireless
[03:39] <Nafallo> i.e. the sources of linux :-)
[03:39] <mrjive> Nafallo, ?
[03:39] <Nafallo> Acridien: yepp
[03:39] <Acridien> Nafallo: and you wanted to change ?
[03:40] <mrjive> but i found kernel-source-2.6.7
[03:40] <Acridien> Nafallo: why ubuntu
[03:40] <mrjive> why not linux-2.6.7?
[03:40] <Nafallo> mrjive: the kernel is named linux, not kernel :-).
[03:40] <Nafallo> mrjive: universe?
[03:41] <mrjive> Nafallo, ok thats good, but only starting from 2.6.8? ;)
[03:41] <Nafallo> Acridien: ofcourse, I was running debian less than a week ago :-). I always get back to debian sooner or later :-).
[03:41] <Acridien> Nafallo: doesn't gentoo features build packages ?
[03:41] <ToGGY> lol
[03:41] <ToGGY> its alive!
[03:42] <Nafallo> mrjive: well, your sources.list probably got more than warty main and restricted :-)
[03:42] <mrjive> Nafallo, are they on ubuntu cd?
[03:43] <Acridien> mrjive: what do you want actually?
[03:43] <Nafallo> Acridien: yes it does, but hey, then you're binary-package-user anyway and can run a better suited package-system :-).
[03:43] <mrjive> the kernel sources ('iv been asked about them)
[03:44] <Acridien> Nafallo: lol
[03:44] <mrjive> Nafallo, good you're right :)
[03:44] <Nafallo> mrjive: the kernel sources for ubuntu warty == linux-sources-2.6.8.1 :-)
[03:44] <mrjive> Nafallo, ok i found them, thanks :) are they on ubuntu cd?
[03:44] <Acridien> ?!?
[03:45] <Acridien> no
[03:45] <Nafallo> mrjive: they should be, seems to me everything are there :-P.
[03:45] <Acridien> i don't think so
[03:45] <mrjive> me neither :)
[03:45] <Nafallo> mrjive: though I'm not sure, running a local mirror and all ;-).
[03:45] <mrjive> i found only the headers
[03:45] <Acridien> the cd install program create a hd repository ?
[03:45] <mrjive> ok thanks a lot :))
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-apps/baselayout
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-fs/devfsd
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-kernel/linux-headers
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-libs/pwdb
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-libs/pam
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-libs/pam-login
[03:46] <ToGGY> gnome-base/gdm
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-apps/kbd
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-devel/bin86
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-devel/binutils
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-misc/iputils
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-apps/shadow
[03:46] <ajame> ??
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-misc/dhcpcd
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-apps/modutils
[03:46] <LinuxJones> ToGGY, stop
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-libs/glibc
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-devel/gcc
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-libs/ncurses
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-apps/cronbase
[03:46] <ToGGY> x11-base/opengl-update
[03:46] <gruberman_> pastebin?
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-mail/mailbase
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-www/epiphany
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-nds/portmap
[03:46] <Vitamin> ok i have one final question, can i install ubuntulinux exclusively on the hde drive? (slave drive on 2nd ide)
[03:46] <ToGGY> net-fs/samba
[03:46] <ToGGY> dev-lang/python
[03:46] <ToGGY> sys-fs/e2fsprogs
[03:46] <ToGGY> crap
[03:46] <ToGGY> very very sorry about that guys
[03:46] <fabbione> ToGGY: stop flooding the channel
[03:46] <gruberman_> stop!
[03:46] <ToGGY> that was supposed to go into console
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Flooders whould be kicked :)
[03:47] <LinuxJones> err should
[03:47] <stvn> Vitamin: yes
[03:47] <ToGGY> i didnt mean to :(
[03:47] <Acridien> LinuxJones: hello
[03:47] <Vitamin> thanks stvn i ll install it then, hehehehe ow man alrighty, ADIOS!
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Acridien, hi
[03:47] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i have same problem with my printer
[03:47] <Nafallo> I run a modified anonftpsync from debian to sync ubuntu warty main restricted with rsync :-)
[03:47] <Acridien> LinuxJones: what is the name of the printer group
[03:47] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i m not sure if it's due to the same issue than yesterday
[03:48] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i started it after the boot process
[03:48] <Nafallo> if I had better connection I would buy a bigger drive, mirror all of ubuntu and go public :-P.
[03:48] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: hi there btw :-)
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Acridien, I think it's lp
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, hiya :)
[03:49] <ToGGY> sweet i got portage on ubuntu
[03:49] <Nafallo> Acridien: 107(lpadmin)
[03:49] <Acridien> LinuxJones: pladmin ?
[03:49] <Acridien> lpadmin?
[03:49] <Acridien> Nafallo: oki tx
[03:49] <LinuxJones> Acridien, ya that 's it
[03:50] <Nafallo> ToGGY: yea yea, I dist-upgraded deb sarge to ubu warty yesterday :-P.
[03:50] <gruberman_> Nafallo: Get bbb 100mbit? ;)
[03:50] <Acridien> LinuxJones: well i belong to ...seems the printer hasn't been plugged in
[03:50] <Acridien> LinuxJones: i mean handled by ubuntu
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Acridien, your on printer port or usb ?
[03:50] <Nafallo> gruberman_: can't :-/. my only bet is ADSL 2Mbit.
[03:50] <Acridien> LinuxJones: usb
[03:51] <gruberman_> Nafallo: k
[03:51] <Nafallo> gruberman_: my KC ain't upgraded :-/
[03:51] <ToGGY> how do I upgrade to hoary
[03:51] <LinuxJones> Acridien, unplug the printer and plug it back in
[03:51] <gruberman_> Nafallo: KC?
[03:52] <topyli> ToGGY: warty too old for you? ;)
[03:52] <Nafallo> ToGGY: # cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/warty/hoary/g | echo > /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <Nafallo> gruberman_: koncentratorstation
[03:52] <Nafallo> ToGGY: and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:53] <Acridien> LinuxJones: no reaction when i told it to print from firefox
[03:53] <gruberman_> Nafallo: ok...
[03:53] <Nafallo> Acridien: plugdev?
[03:53] <Nafallo> Acridien: id > $IRC ;-)
[03:54] <ToGGY> Nafallo: now i have nothing in my sources.list
[03:54] <Acridien> Nafallo: ??
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Acridien, printing from firefox doesn't work without some work first. You can print from other gnome apps tho ?
[03:55] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I m gonna try
[03:55] <LinuxJones> Acridien, you can print a test page from the printer config app
[03:56] <Nafallo> Acridien: nm
[03:57] <LinuxJones> Acridien, I have to zip off to the hospital to visit my mom. GL
[03:58] <elwood> hi all
[04:00] <Acridien> LinuxJones: see you tx
[04:01] <kapputu> ubuntu, ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu
[04:02] <kapputu> three cheers for ubuntu
[04:02] <Nafallo> hmm, to mirror the whole of ubuntu... how much diskspace is needed?
[04:03] <kapputu> hi Nafallo, good morning
[04:03] <Nafallo> right now the mirrordisk is 4G :-P
[04:03] <Nafallo> kapputu: hi there!
[04:03] <jamaas> How can I mount a scsi device that is present in /proc/scsi ???? Thanks  :)
[04:03] <mrjive> how is the installed kernel called?
[04:03] <Nafallo> mrjive: linux-image-*
[04:03] <kapputu> ok listen
[04:04] <kapputu> I din't have my wireless card configured under Ubuntu after the reinstall
[04:04] <kapputu> so I went to Windows
[04:04] <mrjive> Nafallo, tnx
[04:04] <Nafallo> mrjive: np
[04:04] <kapputu> and man would you believe it, some crappy application failed and my system shut itself down
[04:04] <kapputu> some lsass.exe
[04:04] <Nafallo> kapputu: LOL
[04:04] <Nafallo> kapputu: you gotta love windows :-P
[04:05] <kapputu> the next thing I did was download the acx100 driver and configure my wireless card in Ubuntu
[04:05] <kapputu> it's days on my laptop are short-lived
[04:05] <Nafallo> ehm, acx are included in linux-image-*?
[04:05] <kapputu> do you have to pay for vmware ?
[04:05] <Nafallo> kapputu: yes
[04:05] <kapputu> but neede to install firmware
[04:06] <kapputu> my card was detected as ACX111
[04:06] <Nafallo> kapputu: yepp, tell me the URL when you find it :-)
[04:06] <Nafallo> kapputu: Netgear WG311?
[04:06] <kapputu> no, USR 5410
[04:07] <kapputu> go to google and type Craig acx100
[04:07] <kapputu> it's the first link
[04:07] <Nafallo> kapputu: ahh, I do have a WG311 _rev. 2_ with that chipset :-/.
[04:07] <cah> wow. nice channel. If anyone of the ubuntu developers are here, I would just like to say thanks for such an amazingly slick debian distro.
[04:08] <cah> I've tried xadnros, libranet, mepis, debian, knoppix, bonzai and a whole host of others, but ubuntu is the first that beats debian hands down for ease and speed. well done!
[04:08] <cah> everything was up an running perfectly in 10mins.
[04:09] <gruberman_> cah: I really like it too. I used Arch Linux before.
[04:09] <cah> I personally couldn't get arch to install and work.
[04:10] <ayuer> why cheers, what's the sell point of ubuntu???
[04:10] <Acridien> LinuxJones: I had to set up a new printer it's ok now :-) , quite normal since I forget to plug it during the ubuntu installation
[04:10] <cah> It is definitely better than progeny too. sell point?
[04:12] <Acridien> cah: plus it boots rather fast
[04:12] <cah> yes, it's better than the fedora based ones becuase it never probes my sil SATA raid either which all of them do until you use noprobe
[04:12] <cah> I love it (and debian).
[04:12] <ToGGY> YAYA I upgraded!
[04:12] <cah> I'm so glad I persevered becuase when I tried a release candidate the installation hung on libc6 despite verifying the CD.
[04:13] <cah> I'm not sold completely on gnome yet. I preferred older gnomes.
[04:14] <jolg> Is there a tutorial or HOWTO on building a debian package from .tar.gz
[04:16] <ayuer> better fit in laptop? maybe a little scary to run gentoo on those small ones
[04:16] <cah> jolg: isn't there a build option with apt-get as in -b or something?
[04:16] <cah> why does gnome need a new iconset? then
[04:16] <jolg> don't you need a debian sourcefile to do that?
[04:16] <cah> (although I don't like it much either atm)
[04:17] <cah> This should help: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html
[04:17] <Acridien> cah: i don't like the default one either with ubuntu or fedora
[04:18] <Acridien> Who has set d3a iconset and gtk2 theme ?
[04:18] <ToGGY> i just upgraded my ubuntu
[04:19] <cah> yep --> that's why I use lorma when I want to try out fedora --> their kde is lovely (IMO since it's so subjective)
[04:19] <Acridien> d3a is innovative
[04:19] <Acridien> d3a look at the dr icons
[04:20] <gruberman_> Anyone who wants to recommend an icon set?
[04:20] <Acridien> gruberman_: what do you use ?
[04:21] <gruberman_> standard
[04:21] <Acridien> gruberman_: shrugs
[04:21] <Acridien> gruberman_: it's awful
[04:22] <Acridien> gruberman_: it looks like a draw
[04:22] <gruberman_> Acridien: And you recommend? :)
[04:23] <Acridien> gruberman_: d3a mostly
[04:23] <ToGGY> GOD I LOVe
[04:23] <Acridien> gruberman_: but it needs to be extended
[04:23] <ToGGY> God I love cd-rw's
[04:23] <ToGGY> You can install so many disto's in one day
[04:23] <cah> is this the iconset Acridien ? http://tinyurl.com/3pd7q
[04:24] <Acridien> cah: yup what do you think?
[04:25] <cah> I think it's very slick actually....not quite my favourite, but better than default
[04:25] <kensai> I have installed qt3-designer now I don't know how to start it.
[04:25] <cah> I still don't particularly overwhelmingly like gnome though
[04:25] <callisto> is there somewhere a own chan for ppc?
[04:26] <Acridien> cah: c u I quit
[04:26] <cah> I don't think so. but ppc or x86 should be close enough.
[04:26] <kent> kensai, menu->programming?
[04:26] <cah> bye Acridien.
[04:26] <ToGGY> i think imma try a new distro!
[04:26] <kensai> nope there are no entries
[04:26] <Mooper> whats up Toggy?
[04:27] <cah> ToGGY: do what I did: freebsd + lorma + ubuntu + gentoo (plus win xp - sorry). :)
[04:27] <cah> that should keep you occupied
[04:27] <kensai> thats what I get for installing kde programs in gnome ;)
[04:27] <callisto> I want install ubuntu on a powerpc g3
[04:27] <ToGGY> i like sourced based
[04:27] <cah> callisto: it should be fine. I installed ubuntu onto a G4 ibook 933 -- most of it is the same.
[04:27] <cah> it should be fine
[04:27] <Mooper> I'm not big into Gnome either, but man, ubuntu + Gnome 2.8 is not all bad
[04:28] <callisto> but on the powerpc g3 i get always a kernel panic, after reboot
[04:28] <kensai> so nobody uses qt3-designer?
[04:28] <cah> ok. I can't really help there. what type of panic? kernel fails, or FS type, or no partition found?
[04:28] <callisto> so I want know if there is somewhere a new kernel
[04:28] <Mooper> Sarge is gonna have to be hell good to drag me back to standard debian
[04:28] <cah> not if you are installing the 4.10 final
[04:29] <callisto> I use the final
[04:29] <cah> Mooper: it will never happen. ubuntu is so much better+easier than debian it would take a massive change in sarge to move anyone.
[04:29] <Nafallo> Mooper: well, just dist-upgrade when needed ;-).
[04:29] <Mooper> only trouble i found with final + multiboot is that grub don't ask to get put into mbr
[04:29] <cah> yes - but just do /dev/hda or /dev/ida/sc0d0
[04:30] <Nafallo> cah: that depends... I would think debian sarge kicks out ubuntu on my server when released :-)
[04:30] <callisto> cah: can i delete the apple partitions on my harddisk?
[04:30] <Mooper> Nafallo, ya, maybe.  I've not played with Ubuntu 'server' (custom) install yet
[04:31] <Nafallo> cah: even though ubuntu kicked sarge out yesterday ;-). there are still to much updates going on in sarge :-P.
[04:31] <cah> * sorry, just realised i meant /dev/ida/c0d0 above
[04:31] <cah> callisto: yep, then if you want just re-install OSX back over it.
[04:32] <Nafallo> Mooper: not me either, I changed my sources.list and used aptitude to migrate :-).
[04:32] <cah> Nafallo: maybe......but then again, my server is happily running on a cross between sarge and woody :S
[04:32] <cah> I am leaving my server alone, just messing with the desktop
[04:33] <Nafallo> cah: hmm, I want to do that to. but damn, woody is way old now :-P.
[04:33] <Mooper> me too, just messing with the desktop right now, but might play with the custom install and see how it shapes up as a server this weekend
[04:33] <callisto> cah: do I need a own boot part?
[04:33] <cah> yeah, but it works nicely with my smart3 raid card
[04:33] <Nafallo> cah: haven't got all servers I need. if any :-P.
[04:33] <cah> it's one of the few distros that installs from the cd.
[04:34] <cah> hehe.
[04:35] <cah> callisto: you can mark the ubuntu partition bootable if you want and just install the boot loader to that.
[04:35] <kensai> is kde usable in ubuntu?
[04:35] <stvn> kensai: yes
[04:35] <cah> kensai: I would assume so (I've only been using ubuntu for a few hours) but you have to uncommen universe I think
[04:35] <Lathiat> jdub: about?
[04:35] <cah> *uncomment
[04:36] <stvn> Lathiat: haven't seen him
[04:36] <Lathiat> yeh well its 12:36am there so i assumedhe probably wasnt about
[04:36] <kensai> Thanks, Is that I need to be running qt3-designer and in gnome I can't make it run I think.
[04:36] <cah> not bad neuro. lucky I have a 100mbps line ;-) (there's always someone with one bigger)
[04:36] <callisto> cah: do i not need a Apple Bootstrap part and a Aplle partition map part for ubuntu?
[04:36] <Lathiat> cah: i got access to a box on gig, does that count? :)
[04:37] <cah> :)
[04:37] <neuro|laptop> cah: well we have multiple gigabit out of this building, but 100 meg at the transit point :)
[04:37] <Lathiat> heh
[04:37] <kensai> nahhh better not I don't want to mess ubuntu with KDE
[04:37] <cah> where are you neuro if you don't mind me asking? the IP smells of the UK, but we all know that in the UK 256kbps is usually the most ;-)
[04:38] <kensai> it is beautifull with gnome
[04:38] <Lathiat> cah: haha
[04:38] <cah> kensai: but the install is so painless you can afford to mess it up once or twice.
[04:38] <Mooper> Anyone know if there is any non Debian software in Ubuntu?  I've got a bunch of sparcs here running Woody...I wonder if I can build up an Ubuntu on any of them by using Debian Sid and fiddling/tweaking all the nobs+whistles (seeing as how there is no ubuntu sparc dist)
[04:38] <Lathiat> and haha again :P
[04:38] <Lathiat> Mooper: Well theres no sparc builts for ubuntu afaik?
[04:38] <Lathiat> *builds
[04:39] <neuro|laptop> cah: sitting in a datacentre
[04:39] <callisto> where is the openfimware stored?
[04:39] <kensai> I just need to install a kde based distro in my other HDD
[04:39] <Mooper> ya I know, but if ubuntu is _all_ Debian I could roll my own, just copy icons+wallpaper etc
[04:39] <Lathiat> anyone here playing with polypaudio?
[04:39] <callisto> not in a part on my hd, or?
[04:39] <kensai> so Ubuntu stays at my primary
[04:39] <cah> typical. so datacentres or unis or hospitals are the only ones who get decent connections.
[04:39] <neuro|laptop> no
[04:39] <neuro|laptop> there's more connectivity in the UK beyond BT ADSL
[04:39] <cah> neuro: you don't work for BT do you?
[04:39] <neuro|laptop> nope
[04:40] <cah> phew
[04:40] <neuro|laptop> i.e. ADSL via LLU, leased lines, BT SDSL, LLU SDSL, LES, etc
[04:40] <cah> 'cos I just realised that my 217.37 number is BT and yours is quite close
[04:40] <neuro|laptop> cah: do a whois on it and you'll see where i am :>
[04:40] <cah> neuro: yes, I know that, but how many people can afford it?
[04:41] <neuro|laptop> can afford what
[04:42] <cah> decent internet lines.
[04:42] <neuro|laptop> they're not that expensive
[04:42] <neuro|laptop> ok, ours was, but that was different :>
[04:43] <cah> ok maybe now. 8mbps is 3500 a year from easynet. Leased lines are still very expensive (tens of thousands a year), and SDSL is still very expensive
[04:44] <neuro|laptop> three and a half grand for an 8 meg line is cheap as hell
[04:44] <neuro|laptop> our fibre was *cough*thousand
[04:45] <cah> the only problem with the 8mbps one is I think you have to be right near their London exchange.
[04:45] <kapputu> hullo all
[04:46] <kapputu> does ubuntu go into hibernation sorta mode on laptops ?
[04:47] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:47] <dob> hi
[04:47] <cah> kapputo: I think there is a special laptop power saving package in apt. that might do what you want?
[04:47] <Nafallo> my server is going to run ubuntu warty and debian woody :-)
[04:47] <kapputu> cah, name ?
[04:47] <cah> Nafallo: sounds good.
[04:47] <g3r4rd0> someone knows why monodevelop doesn't show up when i do an apt-cache search monodevelop, i've got main,restricted,universe and multiverse in my sources.list
[04:47] <Striss> does anybody know if its possible to run Starcraft without WINE?
[04:47] <kapputu> mine too Nafallo
[04:47] <Nafallo> kapputu: it doesn't. you have to tweak your config :-)
[04:48] <kapputu> how ?
[04:48] <cah> Striss: I strongly doubt it.
[04:48] <Striss> doh...I'm on a mac so i doubt I can install wine
[04:48] <cah> .....unless you are running windows :-O
[04:48] <kapputu> arghh, I need to go to the men's room
[04:48] <Nafallo> when sarge get's stable I would probably run that instead though :-P.
[04:48] <kapputu> no windows for me anymore
[04:48] <kapputu> no windows, when the doors have been thrown wide open
[04:48] <kapputu> :-)
[04:49] <kapputu> the poet in me ....
[04:49] <cah> kapputu: sadly universities who know better still insist on using novell+windows, so you can't escape entirely :)
[04:49] <kent> g3r4rd0, have you run apt-get update?
[04:49] <kapputu> not mine
[04:49] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: I can't find it in synaptic either
[04:49] <g3r4rd0> kent, yes
[04:49] <kapputu> one of our cybraries run RH linux exclusively
[04:50] <kapputu> no dual boot
[04:50] <kapputu> that's the way to start
[04:50] <cah> even the clients? the servers here use openbsd...but the clients are all win.
[04:50] <cah> :(
[04:51] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, it is in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/monodevelop
[04:51] <kapputu> oh yeah the clients
[04:51] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, but apt-cache doesn't find it :S
[04:51] <dob> at the boot i get an error about hotplut, it is an "Operation not permitted" on some modules. it is normal ?
[04:51] <cah> :( I have to log into the clients and use putty to regain sanity.
[04:52] <Tuxman> hello
[04:52] <jolg> whohoo now i've built my first debian package =)
[04:52] <cah> bye all.
[04:52] <enabl> make
[04:52] <enabl> ack
[04:52] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: what's the difference between that and mono? is the mono package only the run time env?
[04:52] <neuro|laptop> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[04:53] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:53] <kapputu> which dir ?
[04:53] <Nafallo> only missing sasl2-bin now :-P
[04:53] <kapputu> ls Makefile
[04:53] <kapputu> hi Nafallo, how do I tweak power-saving
[04:53] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, exactly, monodevelop is an IDE
[04:53] <Nafallo> kapputu: well, I've never tried to use hibernation :-)
[04:53] <kapputu> lol
[04:53] <Nafallo> kapputu: google? :-)
[04:55] <kapputu> not much use
[04:55] <kapputu> my bladder is full
[04:55] <kapputu> brb
[04:55] <kapputu> bye
[04:56] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: I remember the time when you just fired up your c-64 and hacked away in basic ;)
[04:56] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, hehehe yeah, i had a radio shack trs8something
[04:57] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, i really don't use monodevelop, i use vi, i just found that weird
[04:57] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: why do you use mono/.NET?
[04:57] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, i mean that monodevelop doesn't show up when i search for it
[04:58] <callisto> Does someone know how I can copy the kernel from the install cd to my harddisk?
[04:59] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: I was more thinking why mono instead of Java or something like that
[04:59] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, i need to develop cross-platform apps, c# is, for me, more powerful than java
[04:59] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, i really like java, but c# is better
[05:00] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: Ok
[05:03] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, do you develop apps or something??
[05:04] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: not really. I tinker with lots of stuff. downloaded c# express beta to my xp box and I played around a little
[05:04] <mbselv0> yo
[05:04] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, ok
[05:05] <Britt> anyone using a dell 700m? Trying to help dubug a friend's setup
[05:06] <mwh_> Hi, I was wondering how I can install the development libs/headers for wireless-tools
[05:07] <mwh_> and also what is the differencen between the universe repository and a debian repository?
[05:07] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: But I'll probably go with python on my linux box
[05:08] <mwh_> im looking to install NetworkManager, and I know there is a debian package for it, but when I search with synaptic and have the universe repository enabled I cant find it :(
[05:08] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, python is good, ubuntu is full of it hehe
[05:08] <mwh_> oh I found a faq to install it
[05:08] <mwh_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[05:10] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: Yeah, and it's easy to be productive in it. Just starting out and i don't have to plow through 435 tutorials ;)
[05:10] <g3r4rd0> gruberman_, hehehe cool
[05:12] <gruberman_> g3r4rd0: It might not be the fastest language, but I'm not competing with J Carmack's 3D-engine :)
[05:15] <bwlang> Britt: i don't have that system  - but what's your problem?
[05:16] <optimus> <-- Just installed ubuntu
[05:17] <optimus> I downloaded ubuntu before the "official release". Is there a way to upgrade w/o redownloading?
[05:17] <stvn> optimus: congr.
[05:18] <Lathiat> optimus: just update and upgradein synaptic
[05:18] <stvn> optimus: openup synaptic, reload, mark all upgrades, apply
[05:18] <cenerentola> lathiat: halo my friend
[05:18] <Lathiat> Do I know you?
[05:19] <mbselv0> bwlang, hey :) I think we've narrowed it down to HAL
[05:19] <mbselv0> bwlang, can you specify to not load hal via a custom-expert install?
[05:20] <bwlang> mbselv0: sorry - i don't know...
[05:20] <mbselv0> bwlang, no problemo
[05:21] <cenerentola> lathiat: its seems not
[05:21] <cenerentola> ...it doesnt seem so
[05:21] <Lathiat> mayybe i helped you another time or whatever, i dont remember peoples nicknames :)
[05:21] <vinsci> is there a browsable package list for warty on the web?
[05:21] <stvn> Lathiat: however you remember their real names? ;)
[05:21] <Lathiat> stvn: Yeh thats cause im stalk... err umm i mean no...
[05:22] <stvn> :)
[05:22] <Lathiat> manim so bored
[05:22] <Lathiat> given up on avahi for tonight
[05:22] <cenerentola> ohh cmon you have an old toshiba
[05:22] <Lathiat> cenerentola: ahright now i remembertalking to you
[05:22] <Lathiat> man i think my space bars slightly fscked
[05:24] <kapputu> hi all
[05:25] <optimus> has anyone been able to get a linksys wireless notebook adapter to work under ubuntu, or just linux for that matter?
[05:26] <Lathiat> optimus: try google
[05:29] <optimus> good idea, sometimes i forget to practice what i preach :)
[05:30] <Lathiat> haha
[05:33] <htpc> I have a K-World tuner, and the tuner module just says KWorld, I cant find it in CARDLIST.tuner :\
[05:33] <htpc> Anyone?
[05:34] <mbselv0> what init.d script handles hal?
[05:36] <mbselv0> sorry ... anyone?
[05:37] <Lathiat> It's started by dbus
[05:37] <Lathiat> afaik
[05:42] <nab> hello
[05:42] <mbselv0> Lathiat, ok ... the problem is I need to uninclude dbus/hal from the install process
[05:43] <nab> can you help me? i wanna have more than 60hz but the ubuntu faq say i must install the fglrx-driver. but qhat about the ati driver on the ati homepgae? shouldnt i install that one?
[05:43] <optimus> what vid card do you have exactly?
[05:44] <nab> i have the ati radon 9800 pro
[05:47] <optimus> good question, because my radeon mobility 7500 is running at 61Hz at 1024x768
[05:48] <nab> :(
[05:49] <cardador> nab: have you checked the ubuntu wiki?
[05:49] <unperson> How do I access power management features for my laptop in Ubuntu, like suspend?
[05:49] <unperson> I'm more familiar with KDE, where you can do this through klaptop.
[05:49] <nab> cardador, i checked the faq
[05:49] <optimus> unperson: did you check the screensaver, advanced settings?
[05:50] <cardador> nab: check the binary drivers howto
[05:50] <nab> yes thats that fglrx drivet hing
[05:50] <cardador> nab: so install it!
[05:51] <ulisse> Hi folks!
[05:51] <nab> my question was if i should use that or the original ati.com driver :P
[05:51] <nab> so you say i should use fglrx, okay
[05:51] <cardador> nab: that one
[05:51] <cardador> nab: use synaptic to install it
[05:52] <unperson> optimus, I had not, but I see them now.  However, I was wondering if there is a way to cause the system to go to suspend or standby immediately.  Like say if I have to put it down and go do something and I want to conserv energy.
[05:52] <ulisse> How can I change the NTP timeout at startup?
[05:53] <ulisse> I mean if there is no internet connection...
[05:53] <cardador> nab: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:54] <ulisse> nobody knows?
[05:54] <vinsci> ulisse, the startup scripts in general should be fixed to recognice the situation when no net connection is available, and act accordingly
[05:55] <ulisse> and what should I do, exactly?
[05:55] <nab> cardador, the synaptic tells me that fglrx-control (panel) would be for qt3, can i install it even if im using gnome?
[05:56] <vinsci> ulisse, file a bug report/wishlist item
[05:56] <optimus> unperson, sorry I am still a noob myself
[05:56] <ulisse> ok... I have another question, not strictly about Ubuntu:
[05:57] <unperson> no prob, thanks for trying.  :-)  I think it's a general gnome question, so I'll check some other channels.
[05:57] <ulisse> Which arguments I have to pass to CP to copy exactly one partition files into another?
[05:57] <cardador> nab: i guess so
[05:57] <ulisse> cp -??? /mnt/part1 /mnt/part2
[05:57] <ulisse> what in place of the ???
[05:58] <unperson> ulisse, -r?
[05:58] <cardador> nab: but you only need fglrx-driver
[05:58] <ulisse> only -r?
[05:58] <vinsci> ulisse, "cp -pr" preserve flags, recursive
[05:58] <unperson> I mean that will recursively copy all files.
[05:58] <ulisse> ok, thanks
[05:58] <unperson> You might also want to preserve permissions?  Nah, I'm thinking of tar....let me check out the man page.
[05:58] <nab> okay!
[05:59] <mrjive> ulisse, cp -rp
[05:59] <vinsci> ulisse, without -p, file ownership, mode and timestamp all changes
[05:59] <vlad1> heya folks, question.. just did an ubuntu install on a laptop with a intel centrino 2100 wireless card.. it worked fine for the install, but upon reboot it can't load the ipw2100 driver successfully
[05:59] <mrjive> so it preservs permisions
[05:59] <ulisse> grazie
[05:59] <ulisse> thanks
[05:59] <unperson> ulisse, I think you want -a (or --archive).
[06:00] <unperson> ulisse, That is the same as -dpR
[06:00] <vinsci> ulisse, unperson is right
[06:00] <vlad1> any known problems with ipw2100 in ubuntu?
[06:00] <unperson> it will preserve permissions, it will copy softlinks as softlinks, and it will do recursively.
[06:02] <ulisse> I have to copy a fat32 partition from HDA to HDB (and then format HDA)
[06:02] <mrjive> fat won't keep permissionsi think
[06:02] <mrjive> *permissions
[06:02] <ulisse> no problems, are all windows files...
[06:03] <ulisse> Sadly, I have to reinstall windows on my PC :-(
[06:03] <mrjive> :P
[06:03] <unperson> ulisse, Oh.  I don't have experience with that.  It might be weird because of course the permissions structure is somewhat different in windows.  It might work, but I'm not sure.
[06:03] <htpc> Anyone?
[06:03] <htpc> I have a K-World tuner, and the tuner module just says KWorld, I cant find it in CARDLIST.tuner :\
[06:03] <ulisse> I think in windows permissions are only on ntfs partitions, not fat32
[06:03] <unperson> ulisse, How come? (There are lots of possible reasons, just wondering)
[06:04] <htpc> there are no file permissions on fat32
[06:04] <unperson> Well, files still have some attributes like being hidden, etc.
[06:04] <ulisse> unperson What do you mean with "how come"?
[06:04] <unperson> ..or at least they used to back in the day.  Like I say, I haven't messed with it much.
[06:05] <mrjive> ulisse, how come = come mai (credo)
[06:05] <unperson> ulisse, Oh, I just mean, what do you need Windows for?  Required for work?
[06:05] <htpc> Yea you can still use those attributes on fat32 and ntfs with the Attrib command
[06:05] <htpc> Windows doesnt show anything except hidden and read-only in file properties now.
[06:05] <ulisse> Yes, I have to do something in Flash for a friend
[06:05] <unperson> ah
[06:06] <ulisse> and under Wine, flash is only working at 70%
[06:06] <Kyaneos> is there any channel for ubuntu development???
[06:06] <htpc> #ubuntu-dev I would guess.
[06:06] <Kyaneos> not
[06:06] <Mithrandir> #ubuntu-devel, why?
[06:06] <htpc> No idea.
[06:07] <Kyaneos> this is
[06:07] <Kyaneos> thx all
[06:07] <ulisse> Good bye!
[06:11] <nab> ill reboot, cya!
[06:11] <Poyayan> who here uses the nvidia module?
[06:12] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: I do
[06:12] <Poyayan> my frame rate for glxgears goes down when I turn of dri and glcore and turn on NvAGP
[06:12] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: talking about graphs?
[06:13] <Poyayan> no just performance
[06:13] <Poyayan> the nvidia readme tells me to turn glcore and dri off but it worsens the performance
[06:13] <SmokingFire> Ok, maybe you where talking about nforce chipset/audio or networking as I just used the standard for that
[06:14] <Poyayan> and if glcore and dri is on turning NvAGP on worsens performance as well
[06:14] <plasmo> i turned off glcore and dri
[06:14] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: I havn't tried optimizing my settings
[06:14] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: I tried once the nologo option the readme tells me that made x-server give me errors.
[06:14] <cenerentola> hello
[06:14] <Poyayan> do I set NvAGP to 1 or ?
[06:15] <SmokingFire> BTW all: I think this should be included with Ubuntu: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg (bootmanager)
[06:15] <Poyayan> really? that's weird
[06:15] <cenerentola> stvn: do you know how i could run tiscali netphone under linux?
[06:15] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: you have the nologo option enabled?
[06:16] <Poyayan> yeah
[06:16] <SmokingFire> ok, then I did something wrong, why can't be just by default (sigh)
[06:16] <Poyayan> Option "NoLogo" "true"
[06:16] <Poyayan> or "True"
[06:16] <Poyayan> whichever you prefer
[06:17] <SmokingFire> Poyayan: also if you want to get the most out of your graphs card, some weeks ago on this about disabling the vrefresh rate. Someone can perhaps explain.
[06:17] <SmokingFire> about - channel
[06:18] <Poyayan> brb
[06:24] <nosilver4u> anyone have any idea why my network transfers would be so slow in ubuntu?
[06:24] <iz> ip6?
[06:24] <nosilver4u> nope, 4
[06:25] <iz> dns okay?
[06:25] <nosilver4u> i always got around 10 MB/s with gentoo, and i can't get higher than 1 MB/s with ubuntu
[06:25] <iz> huh
[06:25] <nosilver4u> it's all internal stuff
[06:25] <iz> thats weird
[06:25] <nosilver4u> i know
[06:26] <nosilver4u> i was wondering if maybe ubuntu has a throttle that keeps it from maxing out your system or something like that
[06:26] <iz> i dont think so i get no problems
[06:27] <kensai> I can't seem to figure out how to open qt3-designer in gnome with Ubuntu
[06:27] <kensai> I've been searching for about half an hour
[06:28] <kensai> qt3: /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/include/qt3 /usr/share/qt3
[06:28] <iz> sudo ./qt3
[06:28] <kensai> iz: no such file or folder
[06:29] <nimc> is it possible to add/delete items in the applications / computer menu in the panel ?
[06:29] <vlad1> which apt repo has more bleeding edge bits than what's in warty?  I see dsc files for ipw2100 0.55 in pool/multiverse, but can't find a ipw2100 package anywhere
[06:30] <iz> uic-qt3
[06:30] <kensai> in part says
[06:30] <kensai> Qt user interface compiler.
[06:30] <kensai> Usage: uic-qt3  [options]  [mode]  <uifile>
[06:30] <kensai> so I assume it is correctly installed
[06:31] <altan> nimc, applications:/// in Nautilus
[06:31] <nimc> hmm where is nautilus ?
[06:31] <altan> nautilus is the file browser
[06:32] <nimc> ah
[06:32] <altan> open any folder and put that in the location bar
[06:32] <kensai> But how do I open the qt3 GUI?
[06:32] <nimc> ok i did
[06:32] <nosilver4u> iz: don't suppose it could be because it's on reiserfs, eh?
[06:33] <nimc> altan, i see... that works for the application menu...... is there something for the computer menu too ?
[06:34] <altan> let me check
[06:34] <nimc> thanks
[06:34] <callisto> what have I to install that I can make a "make menuconfig" for kernel 2.6 ?
[06:35] <callisto> oh, sorry my mistake, I forgot to install gcc :)
[06:38] <altan> nimc, preferences:///
[06:38] <schifo> ive been trying to setup Kismet and airsnort on ubuntu w/ an orinoco card and i have reached the point where i am supposed to patch my driver - but im not too sure what would be the best way to go about this? I have the patch but am lost on how to proceed
[06:38] <nimc> cool... thats for the computer/prefs
[06:39] <nimc> i wanted to remove some stuff from computer itself though....
[06:39] <altan> try google a bit, I have to go now :(
[06:39] <nimc> ok:)
[06:41] <justdave> ok, this may have been stupid to attempt this early, but since hoary is supposedly getting synced with sid right now, I attempted to upgrade my sid machine to hoary...
[06:41] <justdave> for the most part it seems to have gone pretty smooth so far...
[06:42] <justdave> except that ubuntu-desktop is claiming it can't install because it depends on 'lsb' but there's no lsb package.
[06:42] <justdave> it appears to have been replaced by lsb-base, but I'm having trouble convincing it of that.
[06:42] <callisto> what do I need to make a "make menuconfig" for kernel 2.6?
[06:42] <|trey|> justdave, keep the ubuntu source too... might as well  :/
[06:43] <Poyayan> ncurses is needed
[06:43] <Poyayan> as well as gcc
[06:43] <justdave> not being a expert on apt, anyone know how to convince it that lsb exists, or that it doesn't need it?
[06:43] <gruberman_> gah...
[06:44] <Poyayan> lsb exists
[06:44] <Poyayan> as does lsb-base
[06:44] <|trey|> justdave, dpkg in #debian-bots knows  :)  /msg dpkg hold
[06:44] <Poyayan> and lsb-release
[06:44] <kensai> which is the latest kde available for ubuntu?
[06:44] <Poyayan> dave are you using apt-get or synaptic package manager?
[06:45] <|trey|> kensai, technically 3.3.3... the one thats in Sid...
[06:45] <Poyayan> I don't think ubuntu has kde kensai
[06:45] <Poyayan> but you can get it from Sid like trey said
[06:45] <kensai> how can I add the apt source to get this kde?
[06:45] <|trey|> Poyayan, it does, but its not supported  :/
[06:45] <Poyayan> indeed
[06:45] <kensai> I want to add the source.list for everything in debian
[06:45] <justdave> Poyayan: apt-get at the moment.
[06:45] <gruberman_> apache is running, I placed the php-file in /var/www/apache2-default but it doesn't work. Any ideas?
[06:46] <|trey|> kensai, check the source that says "universe"
[06:46] <justdave> I shut down gdm because I figured installing all the desktop stuff while it was running might confuse it
[06:46] <callisto> Poyayan: what from ncurses I need exactly?
[06:46] <kensai> is ubuntu totally compatible with debian?
[06:47] <|trey|> callisto, libncurses5-dev I think... build-essential ought to be installed...
[06:47] <Poyayan> you know I don't know callisto
[06:47] <thoreauputic> kensai: no, you risk problems
[06:47] <schifo> guys, can i download the kernel source from synaptic ?
[06:47] <Poyayan> just install base first
[06:47] <Poyayan> then try
[06:47] <|trey|> kensai, thats the goal kinda yeah... they are DD's getting paid  :)
[06:47] <Poyayan> justdave do you not have gui at all?
[06:47] <kensai> ok latest kde I get is 3.1.2
[06:48] <justdave> Poyayan: it's there, I can run it again if it's easier to do from synaptic.  I usually use synaptic pretty exclusively.
[06:48] <|trey|> kensai, but they are syncing with Sid... which has 3.3.3 ...
[06:48] <callisto> |trey|: thx, that was ist
[06:48] <kensai> trey: didn't understand what you tried to say with DD
[06:48] <schifo> guys, can i download the kernel source from synaptic ? if so, what is the package called
[06:48] <Poyayan> yeah synaptic is generally easier to deal with
[06:48] <kensai> so how do I put the address to sid in sources.list? whixh is the address?
[06:48] <|trey|> Poyayan, its easier to explain kinda  :/
[06:49] <Poyayan> yeah
[06:49] <WW> schifo: Yes, you can, but I'm not sure what the package name is.  Maybe search for "kernel source"?
[06:49] <|trey|> kensai, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html
[06:49] <justdave> linux-source-2.6.8.1-3
[06:49] <thoreauputic> |trey|: sid doesn't have kde 3.3
[06:49] <Poyayan> apt-get is kinda annoying if you don't know the package name
[06:49] <spiv> Poyayan: apt-cache search "xxx" :)
[06:49] <schifo> WW, did, kernel source 2.6.8.1-3-386 is not listed in synaptic
[06:50] <thoreauputic> |trey|: apt-cache policy shows 3.1.2
[06:50] <|trey|> thoreauputic, Umm, it did before Ubuntu came out...
[06:50] <Poyayan> lol forgot about that spiv
[06:50] <thoreauputic> |trey|: no, sid has never had 3.3
[06:50] <justdave> shifo: linux-source-2.6.8.1-3
[06:50] <Poyayan> I'm new to debian so it'll take me a little to remember all the commands
[06:50] <justdave> schifo: sorry on spelling, see above
[06:51] <|trey|> calc, cough hello cough *poke*
[06:51] <Poyayan> ah crap gotta go
[06:52] <|trey|> thoreauputic, what does this say?  http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdebase&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all
[06:52] <|trey|> thoreauputic, kde-core is versioned differently... :/
[06:54] <kensai> it is seducing me to have hoary instead of wrty
[06:54] <Evaso> hi what about madwifi drivers support?
[06:54] <kensai> warty*
[06:54] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I just checked with apt-cache policy - I'm confused now as in #debian they were also saying 3.3 wasn't in sid
[06:54] <swifty> I have some problem using my wlan nic (dlink dwl-520+). Ubuntu has the acx100 module and the firmware i need. Tried to get an ip from dhcp, but it does't work, set ip mannually did't work either. dhcp works fine in windows. tip?
[06:55] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ok, well I haven't used it in a while... I used it when it first got into Sid though... with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt...
[06:56] <schifo> guys, i just got the kernel source from synaptic and it installed it, can anyone tell me where it resides ?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> |trey|: sudo apt-get -t unstable install kde   returns "already the latest version" and apt-cache policy says 3.1.2  ... ??
[06:57] <|trey|> schifo, dpkg -L pkg is your new friend...
[06:58] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ugh @ you... kde-core is not versioned the same... try kdebase or kdelibs etc... it just hasn't been upgraded cuz its the same...
[06:59] <|trey|> kdebase kdelibs arts
[06:59] <schifo> great job trey
[06:59] <cenerentola> which is better gcombust or xcdroast?
[06:59] <|trey|> Being told you are wrong when you correct is annoying  :(
[07:00] <SuperL4g> tseng: ping
[07:00] <|trey|> cenerentola, I've heard good things about gcombust... not looked at the other...
[07:00] <cenerentola> |trey|: thx
[07:01] <schifo> trey, theres a linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ is this what i downloaded? if so, why didnt synaptic uncompress it
[07:01] <cenerentola> other opinions... let me say it once...
[07:01] <cenerentola> ...twice
[07:01] <cenerentola> ...sold..
[07:01] <cenerentola> k3b is kd..pff
[07:01] <toggy_win> lol
[07:02] <|trey|> schifo, kernel-package... but man tar though I guess  :/
[07:02] <toggy_win> im installing gentoo!
[07:02] <|trey|> toggy_win, have fun.
[07:02] <toggy_win> its not that bad :-\
[07:02] <bwlang> cenerentola: i think k3b is not kde - it's qt... works nice.
[07:02] <justdave> schifo: tar xfj linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2
[07:03] <cenerentola> bwlang: you think or youre sure... aint qt the base gui language for kde?
[07:03] <schifo> doing it now
[07:03] <|trey|> bwlang, thats like saying windows isn't microsoft  :/  one of the Top guys at Trolltech is the creator of KDE...
[07:04] <bwlang> cenerentola: qt is the tool kie that kde uses... but others can use the same toolkit and not use all the other kde libraries...
[07:04] <cenerentola> |trey|: "everybody hurts sometime..." Micheal Stipe
[07:04] <g3r4rd0> somene tried to compile tomboy in ubuntu??
[07:05] <cenerentola> bwlang: quite the optimal answer...
[07:05] <bwlang> cenerentola: anyway - i'm not sure if k3b uses the kde libs or if it just shares the same toolkit.
[07:07] <cenerentola> bwlang: i vowed i wouldnt say THE WORD again... the one that is to GNOME what evil is to goodness
[07:08] <bwlang> |trey|: i'm not saying kde is not qt  - i'm saying that qt is not kde.
[07:08] <cenerentola> bwlang: you're absolutely right: just dont repeat that word completely...
[07:08] <cenerentola> it hurts
[07:09] <cenerentola> everybody: im going for gcombust... is anyone gonna stop me?
[07:10] <SuperL4g> cenerentola: what hurt?
[07:10] <SuperL4g> cenerentola: KDE? :)
[07:10] <thoreauputic> |trey|: re KDE in Sid - my mistake, I was looking at the metapackage - soory about that
[07:11] <justdave> there's an lsb source package, but no lsb binary.  If I try building the source, it builds lsb-base
[07:11] <Aard> hi...
[07:11] <cenerentola> superl4g: nooooooooooo
[07:11] <Aard> I just searched the page wondering if there are any efforts to provide sparc-support. hints?
[07:11] <cenerentola> i wasnt reading...argghghghghghghghghghghghgh...
[07:12] <SuperL4g> cenerentola: KDE rocks. :)
[07:12] <cenerentola> wow... its ok now
[07:12] <cenerentola> yeah like george bush
[07:12] <SuperL4g> cenerentola: he does too, but let's not go there
[07:14] <cenerentola> superl4g: he doesnt... but hes not the point... im too stupid... and you didnt get the joke, as everyone else in this room... good for you
[07:15] <nab> hello guys!
[07:16] <plasmo> ahlo
[07:16] <devolve> ok, successfully compiled a piece of software that other stuff in the multiverse depends upon, and need to use libtools to link its libraries
[07:16] <devolve> and need to know context and howto
[07:17] <swifty-> I have some problem using my wlan nic (dlink dwl-520+). Ubuntu has the acx100 module and the firmware i need. Tried to get an ip from dhcp, but it does't work, set ip mannually did't work either. dhcp works fine in windows. tip?
[07:17] <devolve> so you're not online at all, swifty?
[07:18] <devolve> ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; pump
[07:18] <swifty-> Devole: nope
[07:19] <bwlang> swifty-: isn't the dwl520+ a atheros radio?
[07:19] <swifty-> atheros radio?
[07:19] <bwlang> swifty-: ie a radio made by atheros? and handled by the madwifi driver?
[07:19] <swifty-> acx100
[07:20] <devolve> successfully compiled software that needs to share it's libraries... they are in /usr/local/lib/ and i think i need to link them to /usr/lib or just /lib with libtools but not sure how...
[07:21] <schifo> guys im following http://www.sonicresolutions.com/tech/howto_orinoco_patch.html where does he get the .config file from step #3
[07:21] <mjr> devolve, add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf perhaps?
[07:22] <devolve> yes, that was one of the things it told me to do after make install... do you know how i would see the rest of hte stuff it told me? is that logged?
[07:23] <mjr> you might need to run ldconfig afterwards
[07:24] <asdf_46> I just got my wlan adapter working with ndis wrapper, where would I make a howto for that?
[07:24] <devolve> mjr: still says that the dependencies are unresolved
[07:24] <mjr> mh
[07:25] <devolve> trying to install dvdrip
[07:25] <devolve> working with transcode on amd64
[07:27] <asdf_46> devolve, are there packages for transcode and dvdrip?
[07:29] <Heinz> hi does anyone have gdesklets working find?
[07:30] <Heinz> find// fine
[07:30] <stvn> Heinz: what about it?
[07:31] <Heinz> i want to install gdesklets-0.30
[07:31] <Heinz> i have not find any gdesklets-ubuntu deb package, so .. im trying to install it from source
[07:32] <stvn> Heinz: there is an ubuntu package
[07:32] <stvn> Heinz: did you enable the universe repository?
[07:32] <Heinz> yes
[07:32] <stvn> ah it's only 0.26
[07:33] <stvn> the data is .3 though
[07:33] <Heinz> but the newer version is .30
[07:33] <devolve> asdf_46: if you enable the multiverse and the debian-marillat, and are not running amd64
[07:33] <stvn> Heinz: ubuntu-warty doesn't have the newest of the newest
[07:33] <Heinz> if i run 0.26 have this /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main inste
[07:34] <devolve> but, say i recompile, using this option: --with-mod-path (${prefix}/lib/transcode)
[07:34] <devolve>       directory where export/import modules are installed
[07:34] <Heinz> and i now that gdesklets is running background
[07:34] <Heinz> im in a amd64 plataform
[07:34] <devolve> Heinz, you have dvdrip installed?
[07:34] <Heinz> no
[07:35] <Heinz> and if i use 0.26 says: "cant open display"
[07:35] <devolve> what do you think about that --with-mod-path option?
[07:35] <stvn> Heinz: when doing what?
[07:36] <Heinz> devolve, sorry im not follow you
[07:36] <Heinz> stvn, for example : gdesklets open starterbar.display
[07:36] <devolve> heinz: am building transcode.  is built now.  dvdrip depends on it.  transcode installed it's libraries to /usr/local/lib.  i don't think apt finds them there when trying to install dvdrip.
[07:37] <stvn> Heinz: it's not there, or at least it's not in my setup
[07:38] <mxpxpod> does anyone here know how to break a stale file system lock?
[07:38] <tylerwylie> hmm is there a way to change my apt-get repository to the debian one?
[07:38] <stvn> Heinz: ah I got it working: gdesklets &
[07:38] <devolve> so, i think if i use the option --with-mod-path(${prefix}/lib/transcode) correctly it might work
[07:39] <stvn> Heinz: cd /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/sarterbar-desklet
[07:39] <stvn> Heinz: gdesklet starterbar.display
[07:39] <devolve> tylerwylie, you might screw stuff up, but sure... easiest way is in synaptic-settings-repositories, but you might break...
[07:39] <tylerwylie> i mean i like ubuntu and all but it's still no gentoo for me
[07:40] <Heinz> wear ..
[07:40] <schifo> guys, what do i use to configure the kernel, ie. what configurator
[07:40] <guigouz> I've just installed warty, but it doesn't boot... grub gives me "error 18", anyone have any idea on what I can do ?
[07:40] <Heinz> khh@infinitive:/usr/share/gdesklets $ ls -la  | grep Displays
[07:40] <Heinz> khh@infinitive:/usr/share/gdesklets $
[07:40] <devolve> schifo, gconfig, xconfig, whatever works
[07:40] <bwlang> schifo: make menuconfig is an easy way to configure the kernel
[07:41] <schifo> do i have to menuconfig before i make modules; make modules_install ?
[07:41] <stvn> Heinz: did you install the gdesklets-data package?
[07:41] <tylerwylie> hm
[07:41] <bwlang> schifo: in ubunto you should probably use make menuconfig - then run make-kpkg kernel-image  to generate a kernel deb
[07:41] <tylerwylie> where is my kernel source located?\
[07:41] <Heinz> hum .. ;)
[07:42] <mdz> guigouz: 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[07:42] <bwlang> tylerwylie: it's in /usr/src/  - you can find that information by typing dpkg -L kernel-source-...
[07:42] <guigouz> mdz: what can I do ?
[07:42] <mdz> guigouz: that usually means that the disk is larger than your BIOS can handle, according to the documentation
[07:42] <Heinz> stvn, installing ... :-)
[07:42] <stvn> hehe
[07:42] <mdz> guigouz: you could look for an update to your BIOS, use a smaller disk, or install on a partition closer to the beginning of the disk
[07:42] <devolve> no love on my issue, huh?
[07:43] <guigouz> mdz: this box had gentoo installed without problems.
[07:43] <guigouz> i'm just testing ubuntu.
[07:43] <guigouz> it's on the first partition.
[07:43] <mdz> guigouz: which boot loader are you currently using?
[07:43] <guigouz> grub
[07:43] <guigouz> i just installed ubuntu
[07:43] <guigouz> it didn't ask me anything
[07:43] <guigouz> i'll see if it comes with lilo.
[07:43] <mdz> guigouz: what were you using before?
[07:44] <guigouz> lilo
[07:44] <mdz> you could try installing lilo, then
[07:44] <guigouz> thanks, I will.
[07:44] <mdz> you are given a choice in the expert install, but you could just as easily run the lilo installer from gentoo, if you're comfortable with that
[07:51] <Heinz> stvn, ok, round 2. gdesklets-data is now installed, i ejecute gdesklets open starterbar-desklet/starterbar.display and same error: could not open display
[07:51] <Heinz> any ideas?
[07:52] <devolve> Anybody care about my Solution?!?!
[07:52] <stvn> Heinz: try going in a terminal to the display directory
[07:52] <devolve> Heinz, try running it as root for the hell of it, maybe its permissions
[07:52] <thursday> i hope we get firefox pr1 again  :(
[07:52] <stvn> devolve: no need
[07:53] <devolve> stvn: yeah, that's a dark grey area, huh?
[07:53] <stvn> Heinz: i got it working with simply running gdesklets in the background and start them from their home dir
[07:54] <stvn> devolve: eh?
[07:54] <Heinz> maybe chmod 777 and run it as root ;)
[07:54] <devolve> stvn: never mind...
[07:54] <stvn> Heinz: it might even not work, being root in a non root X
[07:54] <Heinz> hum no ... "could not add display" The display could not be added because the file does not exist.
[07:55] <stvn> exactly
[07:55] <Heinz> stvn, was a joke
[07:55] <stvn> read the error message carefully ;)
[07:56] <Heinz> agg but im putting the path .. noes not exist? is there!
[07:56] <stvn> Heinz: just go there  manually
[07:57] <Heinz> im there
[07:57] <stvn> Heinz: and do gdesklets starterbar.display, not gdesklets open starterbar.display
[07:57] <Heinz> i have already do that
[07:57] <Heinz> same result
[07:57] <stvn> eh
[07:58] <stvn> Heinz: what does ls *.display give you?
[07:59] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > HeiL!!
[07:59] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > mmm
[08:00] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > i have some troubles with my obuntu setup....
[08:00] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > someone may help me?
[08:00] <paulproteus> [LoRd^AbNeR] : Maybe if you asked a question we'd answer it. ;)
[08:00] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > okz
[08:01] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > mmm
[08:01] <Greensky> is there any easy way to update the refresh rate to 72 instead of 60 or something, ubuntu isn't auto-detecting it
[08:02] <devolve> so, my experiences recently when messing with amd64 architecture and ubuntu shows me that alien ports mandrake amd64 packages successfully
[08:03] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > look... i start the cd... get enter.... and my machine stop...
[08:03] <[LoRd^AbNeR] > :S
[08:03] <LinuxJones> Greensky, Computer >> System Configuration >> Screen Resolution (might) work ;)
[08:03] <stvn> Greensky: LinuxJones check XF86Config-4
[08:03] <Greensky> LinuxJones, it doesn't have it as an option, I'll just edit the X file manually I guess
[08:03] <Heinz> brb
[08:03] <Greensky> stvn, I'll see there, thanks
[08:03] <LinuxJones> Greensky, ya
[08:03] <Heinz> me too
[08:04] <mirak_> HI R00m
[08:05] <devolve> ok, how about this one:
[08:06] <devolve> Can't locate Video/DVDRip.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/dvdrip line 85.
[08:06] <devolve> and Video/DVDRip.pm is in /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.3/
[08:09] <axe9dotcom> I've got a question about Flash.
[08:09] <axe9dotcom> specfifcally, about editing flash in Linux, IS there even a way to edit flash in linux?
[08:09] <axe9dotcom> er, I mean a program for it*
[08:10] <devolve> axe9dotcom: crossover office
[08:10] <devolve> then install flash mx
[08:10] <devolve> no open source solution yet
[08:10] <Greensky> ok, I have a ? about the XConfig file
[08:11] <Greensky> I have " DefaultDepth    24"
[08:11] <Heinz> lol .. now gdesklest work just fine ;)) i restart X
[08:11] <Greensky> and modes under 24 set to : "1280x1024" and nothing else, but it won't let me use 1280x1024 as a res?
[08:11] <Greensky> and my computer DOES support it, used it under fedora/libranet
[08:16] <gruberman_> what packages do I need to install for apache+msysql+php?
[08:18] <LinuxJones> Greensky, look @ the top of the /etc/X11/XF86Config file follow the instructions then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:19] <axe9dotcom> er... how do I crossover office and MX?
[08:21] <axe9dotcom> oooh
[08:21] <axe9dotcom> I'm guessing corss-over office is a linux specific program?
[08:21] <cenerentola> linuxjones: ciao
[08:21] <FR^2> Hi folks :-)
[08:22] <gruberman_> Apache server is running, but firefox just want to download the php-file instead of showing it. Any ideas?
[08:22] <LinuxJones> cenerentola, hi
[08:22] <cenerentola> hey... im using xine [never ever used it before]  to play a divx... well if i open it full video mode... it slows down
[08:23] <Greensky> LinuxJones, yeah.. I did that, but it didn't give me any resolution options at all
[08:23] <axe9dotcom> the video speed?
[08:23] <axe9dotcom> or your whole computer
[08:23] <cenerentola> the video speed
[08:24] <LinuxJones> Greensky, that's odd, what kind of video card do you have ?
[08:24] <Greensky> nvidia geforce2
[08:24] <cenerentola> could it be the divx codec?
[08:24] <Greensky> I'm using the binary driver
[08:24] <MishaS> gruberman_: wrong mime type for the .php files?
[08:24] <Greensky> I typed "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[08:24] <LinuxJones> Greensky, did you install the Nvidia driver for it ?
[08:24] <Greensky> yes, and it works
[08:24] <Greensky> nvidia and not just nv
[08:25] <axe9dotcom> anybody have any insight as to why a wireless optical mouse would stop tracking forward motion?
[08:25] <Greensky> but my resolution existed before I switched over too, it's just stuck at 1024x768
[08:25] <axe9dotcom> I just replaced the bateries a min ago
[08:25] <cenerentola> axe9dotcom: so?
[08:25] <gruberman_> MishaS: You mean in firefox?
[08:25] <axe9dotcom> oh
[08:25] <axe9dotcom> sorry, I was trying to fix my mouse
[08:25] <axe9dotcom> well....
[08:25] <MishaS> gruberman_: i mean on the apache server
[08:26] <axe9dotcom> Codec? I wouldn't think so. slow computer? maybe
[08:26] <MishaS> gruberman_: first of all, you need a php module loaded and/or enabled
[08:26] <axe9dotcom> Does the sound play roight, and then unsync with the video?
[08:26] <LinuxJones> Greensky, I had the same problem, it was stuck on 640x480 or 800x600,  after installing the NVidia driver I could change to higher resolutions.
[08:26] <gruberman_> MishaS: Ok.. going to double check.
[08:26] <axe9dotcom> or not
[08:27] <MishaS> gruberman_: do you have a wget on the computer where you run firefox?
[08:27] <Greensky> LinuxJones, yeah... any idea why my res. wont change even if i manually edit the XF86config file?
[08:27] <gruberman_> yep
[08:27] <gruberman_> MishaS: yep
[08:27] <Greensky> no option in the "change your resolution" applet either
[08:27] <MishaS> gruberman_: try something like wget -S -O /dev/null http://url/to/php/file.php
[08:27] <Greensky> I restarted gdm too
[08:28] <MishaS> gruberman_: first interesting line "Server:", second - Content-Type:
[08:30] <schifo> wtf, the kernel has been compiling for 25 minutes now
[08:30] <LinuxJones> Greensky, I don't know if that limitation is because of the nv driver or maybe your monitor was installed as a generic monitor with a single resolution setting.
[08:31] <Greensky> ok, how do you change the monitor settings? (I'm using the nvidia drivers)
[08:32] <gruberman_> MishaS: oki
[08:32] <LinuxJones> Greensky, you should have seen an option in dpkg-reconfigure for your monitor refresh and resolution settings
[08:32] <Greensky> unfortunately I didnt...doh
[08:33] <Treenaks> the last 3 questions, if I remember correctly
[08:34] <LinuxJones> Greensky, brb
[08:41] <scotth> hi
[08:41] <scotth> anyone in here using horay yet?
[08:42] <zetor> anyone know why networking with Windows is broken in Ubuntu? Gnome vfs-issue??
[08:44] <scotth> zetor, define networking with Windows and "broken"
[08:48] <rcaskey_> any advice on how I can do an operation on the first 100 files in a directory with bash?
[08:48] <rcaskey_> i've got too many to files to use with foreach in my bash script
[08:48] <rcaskey_> using `ls |tail -n 100` didn't help either
[08:48] <vinsci> rcaskey_, ls|head -100
[08:49] <rcaskey_> vinsci: err same effect
[08:49] <rcaskey_> its a looping cron job
[08:49] <rcaskey_> the idea is to get to processing all the files eventually
[08:51] <rcaskey_> for filename in `ls /var/www/html/tools/syllabus/holding/*.tex|tail -n 100`;
[08:51] <vinsci> rcaskey_, the command line gets too long that way
[08:51] <vinsci> rcaskey_, first cd to that dir
[08:52] <rcaskey_> I could use find dirname/ | xargs latex
[08:52] <rcaskey_> but I need to both latex and rm
[08:52] <vinsci> alternatively, use smaller batches
[08:52] <FR^2> Hmm. If I specify some debian/testing sources in synaptic.. Is there any way to make synaptic "prefer" the ubuntu packages?
[08:52] <vinsci> rcaskey_, find -exec is also handy
[08:53] <zetor_> sorry! have to reboot! anyway...about Gnome and Win shares....a Gnome issue??
[08:53] <Treenaks> FR^2: you don't want to add debian to your sources.list
[08:53] <rcaskey_> how can I latex and rm from one pipe?
[08:53] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: uh?
[08:53] <|progenic|> excuse me
[08:53] <FR^2> Treenaks: Hmm. Well, is there another way to get some other packages like psi?
[08:54] <|progenic|> what should i install to make my browser can open java
[08:54] <rcaskey_> echo foo|{xargs latex}{xargs rm}
[08:54] <Treenaks> FR^2: aren't they in universe?
[08:54] <|progenic|> what package from apt-get
[08:54] <rcaskey_> any way to do anything like such?
[08:54] <FR^2> Treenaks: I'll have a look
[08:54] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: uh... with a variable and a for loop..
[08:54] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: for i in foo bar baz; do latex "$i"; rm "$i"; done
[08:55] <rcaskey_> Tree: too many entries
[08:55] <rcaskey_> Got 4000 files in the directory
[08:55] <rcaskey_> for filename in `ls /var/www/html/tools/syllabus/holding/*.tex|tail -n 100`; didn't work either
[08:55] <vinsci> rcaskey_, something like find path... -exec latex {}; rm {} \;
[08:55] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: for i in *; do
[08:55] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: find ?
[08:56] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: find -name \*.tex -exec latex \{} \; ; find -name \*.tex -exec rm \{} \;
[08:56] <Treenaks> rcaskey_: maybe it can be done in one go.. dunno
[08:56] <Cygnia> |progenic|: go here to find out how: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198
[08:58] <rcaskey_> vinsci: close but still not yet
[09:00] <nozzle> hey. i am very new to ubuntu and linux in general. anyway, i installed ubuntu (not the live cd) though vmware to give it a try. i noticed that Firefox version "0.99 1.0PR.1 revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3" is installed. what exactly is this version?
[09:00] <paulproteus> It's 0.9.3 with some security patches applied, nozzle.
[09:00] <|progenic|> thx
[09:01] <paulproteus> |progenic|: You can make sure by reading in /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/
[09:02] <paulproteus> There's usually a file like CHANGES that tells information like htis.
[09:02] <nasdaq4088> hi what is ubuntu's download link again?
[09:02] <nasdaq4088> full version
[09:02] <paulproteus> nasdaq4088: Just hit up ubuntulinux.org :)
[09:02] <coachz> Can anyone tell me what differentiates ubuntu from other distros?
[09:03] <nozzle> hey paulproteus. if i wanted to install the latest version of Firefox (or any ohter app, like mplayer), how would i go about doing that? would i use synaptic? particular apps (like mplayer) don't seem to be listed in synaptic. do i just go to the main websites and download the packages there? sorry if this all sounds newbie-ish, but i am! :)
[09:03] <FR^2> Treenaks: Thanks for your hint :-)
[09:03] <utis> Hello!
[09:03] <paulproteus> nozzle: You should read through the Wiki.
[09:04] <paulproteus> For big programs like OpenOffice.org and Firefox, I'd stick with the versions given by Ubuntu if at all possible.
[09:04] <utis> How can I add a directory to $PATH in a way that affects the whole Gnome session?
[09:04] <nasdaq4088> if i just use an ordinary pc
[09:04] <paulproteus> Keep in mind a new release will be out within six months.
[09:04] <nasdaq4088> which version of ubuntu should i download?
[09:04] <utis> The very existence of .Xdefault causes a fatal error when login in.
[09:04] <paulproteus> nasdaq4088: i386 one.
[09:04] <utis> (I never used that graphical login before...)
[09:04] <nasdaq4088> thanx pauproteus
[09:05] <nozzle> ok i will check out the wiki. thanks
[09:06] <rcaskey_> why cant you use a | in ls?
[09:07] <nozzle> i've taken some time to install various linux distros in the past few days. i have tried fedora, knoppix, mepis, suse... the most "popular" ones. ubuntu looks really nice in comparison
[09:07] <paulproteus> rcaskey_: It's a special character used by bash.  You'll need to escape it with a "\" character.
[09:07] <nozzle> from a complete linux newbie perspective
[09:08] <paulproteus> nozzle: I agree absolutely.
[09:08] <paulproteus> The most care seems to have been put into it.
[09:08] <paulproteus> It's like cooking with love - the food turns out better.
[09:08] <paulproteus> ;)
[09:09] <nozzle> hehe. ok, i'll do some reading and come back here for any questions i come up with. thanks :)
[09:10] <gruberman_> does anyone know where I can get a fresh apache2.conf? :)
[09:10] <utis> nozzle: I agree, too.  I am not new to GNU/Linux, but I hesitated for a while to install it on my new computer, because I anticipated quite some hastle.
[09:10] <utis> With ubuntu it turned out to be no problem at all.
[09:10] <ogra> /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/
[09:10] <paulproteus> nozzle: Sure thing.  It's good to see people who are willing to do the reading.  There's a problem in Linuxland where the documentation isn't quite as focused as it should be, but the reward of running Debian GNU/Linux is high.
[09:10] <LinuxJones> gruberman_, is there one in the documentation folder for apache ?
[09:11] <ogra> LinuxJones: in fact in the examples ;)
[09:11] <LinuxJones> ogra, I was jsut guessing off the top of my head :P
[09:11] <ogra> hi all
[09:12] <nozzle> yeah... i've been trying my hardest to get myself away from MS and windows lately. i think a lot of people eventually reach this point, but it is a learning curve.
[09:13] <LinuxJones> nozzle, it takes most folks at least a month before they are comfortable with the basic stuff when switching to Linux :)
[09:13] <gruberman_> LinuxJones: checking
[09:13] <utis> The one thing that has bitten me is getting my DSL connection running (network stuff is an area where I am clueless).
[09:14] <utis> But maybe this is more a Gnome than a Ubuntu issue.
[09:15] <utis> Right now I'd love to know why I can't put anything into my ~/.Xsession ...
[09:16] <seb128> utis: what do you want to put here ?
[09:16] <LinuxJones> utis, have you tried pppoeconf for configuring your dsl ?
[09:16] <utis> seb128: export PATH=~/bin:$PATH
[09:17] <utis> LinuxJones: yes, that's what I use in the end.  It was no problem then.
[09:17] <Treenaks> utis: you put that in your ~/.bashrc...
[09:17] <utis> But I would have expected to find something in the network configuration program in the Gnome panel.
[09:17] <LinuxJones> utis, good to hear
[09:18] <utis> When I didn't find it there, I sighed and fetched a few HOWTOs from tldp.org.
[09:18] <utis> I think that Ubuntu should put it into a more prominent place.  DSL over PPP is quite common these days.
[09:18] <LinuxJones> utis, ya something should be added to address that problem
[09:18] <Treenaks> utis: it is?
[09:19] <utis> Treenaks: that would affect only my xterms.
[09:19] <utis> I want to shadow the path for the Gnome panels, application launchers etc., too.
[09:21] <utis> While I am at it: I have another minor quirk (which I already solved):
[09:22] <alka_trash> how's hoary?
[09:22] <utis> I understand why they "disable" root. But instead they should just give it the same password as the default user.
[09:22] <ogra> alka_trash: unstable ?
[09:22] <alka_trash> ogra: did you update to hoary?
[09:23] <utis> I did something wrong with my network stuff when installing. So that the name I gave to my computer was not resolved to 127.0.0.1
[09:23] <paulproteus> utis: The nice thing about disabling root is that it lets multiple users straightforwardly have root, with none of them more root than the other.
[09:23] <_blackdog> utis, i agree i missed the screen where sudo was mentioed and had to reinstall :)
[09:23] <utis> This had the effect that Gnome did not work properly:  I could not get a root shell, for instance.
[09:24] <utis> So I had to reboot in the "protected mode" in order to fix my problem.
[09:24] <spiv> utis: You know about sudo?
[09:24] <ogra> alka_trash: i'm doing a lot of support for fun.... so i want to be version compatible ... but i ve spoken to hoary users.... its crackig but doesnt break it seems :)
[09:25] <utis> spiv: I do.  But I missed that I can use it with my normal password.  Besides that I am not sure anymore whether I was able to get a terminal at all.
[09:26] <utis> paulproteus: hm.  I see.  I had the idea that Ubuntu is more or less for single-user machines.
[09:26] <spiv> utis: Sure you could.  Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal.
[09:27] <spiv> utis: Like other things that require root, it prompts you for your password.
[09:27] <utis> erm, spiv, as I said, that was the very point of my problem.  Something Went Wrong during installation.  I could not get a root terminal.
[09:27] <Se7h> need some urgent help here
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Se7h, shoot
[09:28] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ sudo fdisk -l
[09:28] <Se7h> Sorry, sudo must be setuid root.
[09:28] <spiv> utis: Intriguing, I haven't heard of a bug like that before.  I don't suppose you know enough details to reproduce it and/or file a bug report?
[09:28] <ogra> alka_trash: i ll update the first of my machines if x.org is in ;)
[09:28] <Se7h> i erase and recover /usr
[09:29] <spiv> utis: Did it give you any error messages?
[09:29] <Se7h> i got this all messed up
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Se7h, did you create a new user account ?
[09:29] <utis> spiv: only when logging in: that Gnome could not resolve the name I gave to my machine. (That problem is already fixed.)
[09:30] <ogra> Se7h: that sounds vers bad.... how did you recover /usr ?
[09:30] <spiv> Hmm, that shouldn't break sudo though...
[09:30] <LinuxJones> Se7h, you did a backup of the original Ubuntu install ?
[09:30] <spiv> utis: What about running sudo from the command line?
[09:30] <Se7h> ok
[09:30] <Se7h> not a big problem
[09:30] <ogra> spiv: smells like the permissions havent been recovered
[09:31] <Se7h> im going to install warty
[09:31] <Se7h> and mantain /home
[09:31] <utis> I didn't try. I found out about that feature only much later.
[09:31] <LinuxJones> ogra, I think that's what happened
[09:31] <Se7h> ogra o deleted /usr
[09:31] <zimba> hi, I'm struggling with php5. did someone manage to install it with apache2 ? (with apxs)
[09:31] <Se7h> but did not erase it for efect
[09:31] <Se7h> so i just move it from .trash
[09:31] <Se7h> well
[09:31] <Se7h> brb
[09:32] <zimba> :'|
[09:33] <ogra> Se7: if you did it in nautilus that shouldn't delete /usr or did you run it as root ?
[09:33] <zimba> php5 doesn't find apache's apxs, even if I specify
[09:34] <|progenic|> excuse me
[09:34] <|progenic|> i still cannot make it
[09:36] <|progenic|> the java plugins
[09:37] <|progenic|> cannot be seen from the browser option
[09:38] <LinuxJones> |progenic|, >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198
[09:39] <|progenic|> i've made it, from the browser i can see that i has class plugins
[09:39] <Jaramin> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a Mac (blue and white G3) and get a "pivot_root: no such file or directory" at the first boot... can anyone help me on this?
[09:39] <|progenic|> but one thing that worse is
[09:40] <|progenic|> now my browser exit automatically
[09:41] <nab> i wanna watch tv on ubuntu, is there a better application than tvtime? i dont know maybe theres a tv app that works better with gnome or something :)
[09:42] <tmp> anybody having problems with mail filters in thunderbird-0.8_ubuntu
[09:42] <ogra> nab: zapping probably
[09:43] <tmp> it wont apply the mail filters, my inbox is huge now :(
[09:43] <LinuxJones> nab, this might help >> http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/03/08/165203.shtml
[09:44] <nab> thank you guys
[09:45] <|progenic|> now my browser exit automatically when i open the website with java
[09:45] <|progenic|> how can i fix this
[09:45] <LinuxJones> |progenic|, disable java in preferences
[09:46] <|progenic|> then ?
[09:46] <|progenic|> i mean i've done http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198 this instruction, but it worse, my browser cannot open the site with java and killed automatically
[09:47] <LinuxJones> |progenic|, did you read all of the posts there were a few corrections further down the page ?
[09:48] <Daenzello> could someobe explain me why thr ubuntu rhythmbox doesnt read mp3 files ?
[09:48] <[Phaedrus] > Daenzello: mp3 is a restricted format
[09:49] <Daenzello> not everywhere
[09:49] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:49] <[Phaedrus] > well, aparently ubuntu decided to play by the rules
[09:49] <jmhodges> Daenzello: ^^
[09:49] <[Phaedrus] > I'm sure there must be someway to get mp3s recognised
[09:50] <[Phaedrus] > anyone know of a way?
[09:50] <mirak_> i do
[09:50] <[Phaedrus] > Daenzello, mirak_ is your man
[09:50] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:50] <mirak_> ogra beat me too it
[09:50] <ogra> lol
[09:50] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[09:51] <[Phaedrus] > i'm telling you... all we need is a really good bot which can pick up questions and run a query through the FAQ database
[09:51] <Daenzello> ok thx
[09:52] <WW> Hmmm... maybe ogra IS a bot...
[09:52] <WW> :)
[09:52] <mirak_> lol
[09:52] <mirak_> :)
[09:52] <Jaramin> I have only one HDD ant one CD-ROM, and when partitioning comes up, it shows "hdc"...shouldn't it be "hda" ?
[09:52] <hashbangslash>  /quit
[09:52] <mirak_> hahahaha
[09:53] <WW> That's exactly what a bot would say if it didn't want us to think it was a bot.
[09:54] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[09:54] <mirak_> lol
[09:54] <[Phaedrus] > Jaramin: are you having a problem cause of that?
[09:55] <WW> Jaramin: I have a hard disk that is hda and a cd/dvd combo that is hdd!  I think it depends how you cabled up the drives.
[09:55] <WW> Jaramin: and whether the drive is master or slave.
[09:56] <WW> Jaramin: but that is about the limit of my knowledge :)
[09:56] <mirak_> can anyone do a test for me plz?
[09:56] <mirak_> itll be quick
[09:58] <paulproteus> mirak_: If you provide details, we might.
[09:59] <paulproteus> If not, we'll stare blankly. ;)
[10:00] <mirak_> i just need someone with mplayer to test a quicktime move on a website for me
[10:00] <paulproteus> Okay.  Have you considered posting the URL?
[10:00] <jdz`> mirak_: Ok
[10:00] <mirak_> http://www.bedforddrive.com/press/index2.html
[10:01] <mirak_> go to that url.........follow the link at the top that says "video"
[10:01] <mirak_> tell me if it play for you
[10:01] <Jaramin> Phaedrus: maybe... I don't know if that might be the cause of my problem: after the install is complete (on a mac, G3) I get "pivot_root: no such file or directory" when it boots
[10:02] <[Phaedrus] > just to clarify things, you did use the PowerPC CD for installtion right?
[10:02] <Jaramin> WW: the drive is set to master, cd-rom to master, both on diffrent ide channels
[10:02] <Jaramin> Phaedrus: heh, of course :P
[10:02] <WW> Jaramin: Then I think hda and hdc is normal.
[10:02] <Jaramin> Phaedrus: latest iso
[10:02] <[Phaedrus] > hey, you can never be too sure :)
[10:03] <[Phaedrus] > i dont think detecting your drive as hdc is of any issue...
[10:03] <paulproteus> mirak_: Going now.
[10:03] <mirak_> paulproteus, buffering...or playing?
[10:03] <paulproteus> BUffering so far.
[10:03] <Jaramin> Phaedrus: I've seen my problem in the mailing lists, but no one came up with an answer
[10:03] <paulproteus> Big movie, yikes.
[10:03] <callisto> Jaramin: hi
[10:04] <mirak_> paulproteus, i have never ever gotten past 99%......always talls for me
[10:04] <[Phaedrus] > i've never installed linux on PowerPC Jaramin, so I am a bit clueless here
[10:04] <callisto> Jaramin: I solved in that moment this Problem
[10:04] <Jaramin> callisto: Hi! Really??
[10:04] <callisto> Jaramin: Yes, I know funny
[10:04] <[Phaedrus] > enlighten us Callisto
[10:05] <Jaramin> callisto: c'mon, make my day and tell me what the problem is and how it's fixed :)
[10:05] <callisto> Jaramin: you have to compile your own kernel
[10:05] <callisto> with the modul .. wait
[10:06] <Jaramin> callisto: gah, was afraid it might be somehting in the kerlnel... now...how do I do that?
[10:06] <callisto> ... cmd64x complielt in
[10:06] <paulproteus> mirak_: Me, too.  I figured out the problem, too:
[10:06] <paulproteus> Marillat's Mplayer packages can't play MPEG4 sound.
[10:06] <paulproteus> I don't know why, so I can't quite fix it.
[10:06] <ogra> callisto: filed a bug ?
[10:07] <paulproteus> But if you add "nosound = yes" to a ~/.mplayer/config file, it'll work.
[10:07] <paulproteus> Or if, on the command line, you do:
[10:07] <mirak_> paulproteus, kk...good enough.......thnx........and im out
[10:07] <paulproteus> mplayer -nosound http://www.bedforddrive.com/press/GINA.MP4
[10:07] <callisto> Jaramin: chroot in your ubuntu installtion
[10:07] <paulproteus> mirak_: Marillat will probably fix this in a week or a few.
[10:07] <paulproteus> Ciao.
[10:08] <peter_> ubuntu  uses xfree  4.3 ?  it hink it feels  rather slow
[10:08] <peter_> but also got question
[10:08] <peter_> i cant understand , how to get  root
[10:08] <peter_> sudo ?
[10:08] <paulproteus> peter_: sudo bash
[10:08] <paulproteus> Right.
[10:08] <Jaramin> callisto: arf... if I knew how to I'd do it :P not very expereienced :(
[10:08] <paulproteus> What video card do you use?
[10:09] <sn0wman> Hi.  I think i accidentally set my language to English (UK) instead of (US) because I see the word colour instead of color and the trashcan is called wastebasket.  Is there a way to switch to US English?
[10:09] <callisto> boot from your ubuntu cd
[10:09] <peter_> SiS .. .like when  i right click on desktop  , the menu loads slowly etc.  simple things, mouse flickering
[10:09] <peter_> else ,its a good distro i think, all packages i like
[10:09] <callisto> Jaramin: have you a live cd like knoppix or gentoo?
[10:09] <paulproteus> I'm going to take a nap.
[10:09] <peter_> peter@ubuntu:/etc $ sudo bash
[10:09] <peter_> Password:
[10:09] <peter_> password =  ?
[10:09] <ogra> peter_: yours
[10:10] <callisto> peter_: from the user "peter"
[10:10] <Jaramin> callisto: nope, but I could get one. they have some for G3 Macs?
[10:10] <peter_> ok im in
[10:10] <Hikaru79> 'sudo' issues the command as if you were root. Therefore, it wants a password
[10:10] <callisto> Jaramin: download the gentoo base ppc live cd
[10:10] <callisto> Jaramin: ftp://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/gentoo/gentoo/releases/ppc/2004.1/livecd/install-ppc-minimal-2004.1.iso
[10:10] <callisto> only 100 MB
[10:11] <[Phaedrus] > why would anyone want to run linux on a mac? when they have a stunning alternative to it?
[10:11] <ogra> peter_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:11] <Jaramin> callisto: ok, doing it right now!
[10:11] <sn0wman> any ideas on how to change the language?
[10:11] <cenerentola> helo...
[10:12] <peter_> jea internet is not working .. good here.. i have to change it, i now ythe problem i think...
[10:12] <peter_> but  i like the  fonts
[10:12] <peter_> of ubunto
[10:12] <callisto> Jaramin: how is your connection?
[10:12] <ogra> sn0wman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:12] <cenerentola> anyone who loves me: i found myself lost in the middle of my life.. after installing the matrox g450 driver
[10:12] <cenerentola> the right click on the desktop doesnt work anymore
[10:13] <Jaramin> callisto: dual wan cable, shouldn't be long, I'll look for another mirror though
[10:13] <sn0wman> hmm, it says en_US ISO-8859-1.
[10:13] <sn0wman> whatever, i'll just ignore it.
[10:14] <peter_> is it also possible to get a more  new version of  firefox and  xfree  through synaptic?
[10:14] <ogra> cenerentola: what kind of driver ? the martox is supported by default (in a very good manner i think)
[10:14] <peter_> both outdated a bit
[10:14] <cenerentola> mga
[10:15] <cenerentola> ogra: last time [about 2 weeks ago]  i've asked the channel for the best driver to run a matrox g450 ive shouted at
[10:15] <ogra> cenerentola: how did you install it ? manually by editing XF86Config-4 ?
[10:16] <cenerentola> ogra:i used the installer then i changed XFcfg from vesa to mga and added some modules line
[10:17] <nab> hello again
[10:17] <Jaramin> callisto: 4 minutes left for download, 5 minutes for burning, should be ready in 10 minutes :)
[10:17] <ogra> cenerentola: hmm, my g450 was configured by default with 3d support.....
[10:17] <ogra> cenerentola: with mga
[10:17] <callisto> Jaramin: you will need much more time
[10:17] <cenerentola> well know i can see perfect divxs but... i cannot use nautilus
[10:18] <callisto> Jaramin: compiling the kernel will took very long
[10:18] <cenerentola> ahhh...
[10:18] <callisto> sorry, for my poor english, btw
[10:19] <cenerentola> ogra: any idea
[10:19] <twisted_steel> callisto: I don't see anything wrong with your english :)
[10:19] <callisto> :)
[10:19] <nab> can you tell me how to stop the automatic clock synchronization at startup?
[10:19] <Jaramin> callisto: I don't mind the time, as long as I can have the steps to do everything right
[10:21] <Jaramin> callisto: yeah, your english is just fine (I'm from Montreal and usually spek french, so I guess it's already good that we can understand each other!)
[10:21] <cenerentola> ogra: can you send me your XF86 CONFIG
[10:21] <peter_> does  ubuntu use  MS fonts ?
[10:21] <ogra> cenerentola: just copying it over to my laptop.... wait a sec
[10:21] <timothy> Authors, would someone mind taking a look at the book review in today's queue? *Not* the edit view, the regular what-readers-will-see one:    https://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/29/1950228
[10:21] <mjr> peter_, no, though you can install them
[10:21] <timothy> sorry, wrong channel
[10:22] <callisto> Jaramin: I changed some things in the standard kernel config, but I am not sure, which where the importand changes, so perhabs it is the best if, I send you my kernel config
[10:22] <peter_> ok... this is the best  fonts i seen yet
[10:22] <mjr> peter_, msttcorefonts package in universe installs them if you like
[10:22] <cenerentola> ogra: testoclone@inbox.lv
[10:22] <peter_> neh this is good ,  only  thing ..  it all feels a bit slow ..  maybe my pc isnt good enough
[10:22] <Jaramin> callisto: sure
[10:23] <Matt|> evening
[10:24] <callisto> Jaramin: it is a config for a kernel with very many modules, and I hate this, on weekend I will perhabs cook a nice smart optimized kernel, I can send that config too
[10:24] <pnuw> has anyone successfully attached the MA111 (prism2_usb) 802.11b adapter to a Aluminum PowerBook G4 running Warty?
[10:24] <callisto> but the current config works
[10:25] <pnuw> I got it working under Gentoo using linux-wlan-ng, but there doesn't seem to be such a package under ubuntu (and I'm a bit of a debian n00b)
[10:25] <ogra> cenerentola: mail sent
[10:25] <callisto> Jaramin: give me your email addy in querry
[10:25] <cenerentola> ogra: thx a lot
[10:27] <usual> hoary is working nice and fine for me so far
[10:28] <ogra> pnuw: enabled universe in synaptic ?
[10:28] <pnuw> ogra - was just starting to do that
[10:29] <usual> http://www.forbes.com/static_html/halloween/gates.shtml?partner=yahoo
[10:29] <nab> my monitor makes 85hz, but i only get 75. in what config file must i look to change that. is it xf86config-4 ?
[10:29] <ogra> pnuw: ogra@monkey:~ $ apt-cache search wlan-ng
[10:30] <ogra> pnuw: linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards
[10:30] <pnuw> ogra:  yeah I used it before under gentoo, I added universe and am installing it now.  thanks
[10:30] <ogra> pnuw: ;)
[10:33] <Nafallo> anyone knows on which MHz i586 becomes i686?
[10:33] <ogra> Naff: thats not a mhz issue
[10:34] <ogra> Nafallo: its a model description
[10:34] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, okey. like... < pentium3 is i586?
[10:35] <ogra> Nafallo: dont remember correctly, but p3 is in any case 686
[10:36] <Nafallo> I'm planning to switch server motherboard to smp, and want to use linux-image-i686-smp, hence the questions ;-).
[10:37] <Nafallo> right now my p233-MMX uses linux-image-i386 :-P.
[10:38] <spiv> The original Pentium (including Pentium MMX) is i586.
[10:38] <spiv> Pentium Pro, and everything newer that's still 32-bit intel, is i686.
[10:39] <Nafallo> aha, kewl :-)
[10:39] <Nafallo> spiv: ty :-)
[10:40] <cenerentola> ogra: it works
[10:40] <cenerentola> ogra: really big thx
[10:40] <ogra> cenerentola: nice to hear :))
[10:40] <cenerentola> ogra: how can i set, in gnome, the file-application link?
[10:41] <umarmung> Anyone tried to replace esd with polyaudio? i can't get it to work :(
[10:41] <ogra> cenerentola: not sure what you mean ? could you explain a little more ?
[10:42] <cenerentola> if i want vlc to play .avi's instead of totem
[10:42] <Matt|> hmmm i have the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-i386 installed: can i just remove it and add the i686 package straight in synaptic? Is it beneficial to do so?
[10:43] <spiv> Matt|: You'll get a minor speed increase, but you're unlikely to notice the difference, really.
[10:43] <ogra> cenerentola: right click the film and select attributes and then the "open with" tab
[10:43] <Matt|> spiv, is the procedure problem free?
[10:44] <Matt|> spiv, i can do it in synaptic?
[10:44] <ogra> cenerentola: s/attributes/properties
[10:44] <cenerentola> yeah and how to do it shell-ingly
[10:44] <spiv> Matt|: But install linux-686, and you'll get the latest 686 kernel.
[10:44] <spiv> Yep.
[10:44] <spiv> It should grab the relevant linux-restricted-modules etc if it needs them too.
[10:44] <Matt|> spiv, i should backup any modules which I rebuilt?
[10:44] <nosilver4u> how do i enable mysql in php?
[10:44] <spiv> If you built your own modules, you'll need to rebuild them.
[10:45] <Matt|> spiv, ok
[10:45] <spiv> But it won't overwrite them.
[10:45] <ogra> nosilver4u: install php4-mysql ?
[10:45] <spiv> What modules have you built yourself?
[10:45] <Matt|> spiv, acx_pci
[10:45] <Nafallo> Matt|: that one is included in ubuntus default kernels :-)
[10:45] <Matt|> yeah i know
[10:46] <Nafallo> Matt|: why build them then?
[10:46] <cenerentola> ogra: this way i cant remove the defaul but just add another kind...
[10:46] <Matt|> Nafallo, i tried using ubuntu's network configuration to set up the wireless card, but it only stays up 5 minutes
[10:46] <cenerentola> hello matt
[10:47] <Matt|> i downloaded the source and rebuilt it, and use the script to start the network, and it stays up indefinitely
[10:47] <Matt|> hi cindarella
[10:47] <ogra> cenerentola: there is a radiobutton for each entry.... the checked one is the default
[10:47] <Matt|> you should be at the ball by now?
[10:47] <Nafallo> Matt|: kewl. I couldn't even get it to load properly ;-).
[10:47] <Matt|> Nafallo, which?
[10:47] <slade_> i have X11 forwarding set to yes, and i am trying to open firefox remotely. i export DISPLAY=":0" and run firefox. I can do a ps aux and it show firefox running but the window doesn't open on the remote machine. Am I doing something wrong?
[10:48] <Nafallo> Matt|: acx111 compliant Netgear WG311 rev.2
[10:48] <cenerentola> ogra: yes but if id remove the one that before was the default i couldnt
[10:48] <Matt|> have you still not got it working?
[10:48] <Matt|> Nafallo, I'm using the acx package with the firmware from the windows cd
[10:48] <Matt|> (different card mind you)
[10:49] <nosilver4u> ogra: already got that
[10:49] <Matt|> Nafallo, mebbe you could try and post on the acx100 sourceforge forum
[10:49] <Nafallo> Matt|: have only tried to add the firmware TI*.BIN to correct dir. I think I need to have a firmware for the radio to :-P.
[10:49] <WW> slade_: You are using ssh?
[10:49] <nosilver4u> i've tried installing 2 different packages (gallery2, and phpBB2) that require php and mysql integration, and both of em tell me that mysql isn't working with php
[10:49] <Nafallo> Matt|: naah, I figure it out when I want to put time doing just that ;-).
[10:50] <Matt|> Nafallo, erm not sure. I read in the README file that the TI*.BIN should be enough
[10:50] <Nafallo> Matt|: as-in January, when I'm switching ISP :-P.
[10:50] <Matt|> Nafallo, but i put in the radio one as well
[10:51] <callisto> my installation is finisched on my powerpc g3, hurra :)
[10:51] <Nafallo> Matt|: well, from the output of forums I would need radio :-/
[10:51] <tmp> is ant available in universe??
[10:51] <Matt|> Nafallo, guess so
[10:51] <ogra> cenerentola: leave the default in and just select the new one so it will be used in the future
[10:51] <UnIData> in fedora to save firewall rules is service iptables save, in ubuntu how ?
[10:52] <Nafallo> Matt|: I should curl down the updated windowdrivers from netgear also. it might be an issue with those d-link drivers I tried to use :-P.
[10:52] <slade_> WW: yes
[10:52] <Matt|> lol
[10:52] <Matt|> Nafallo, mine is dlink
[10:52] <Matt|> ok here's another question. I read the following in synaptic under the doomlegacy package:
[10:52] <Matt|> To play you need some maps, called "WAD"-files, the shareware version
[10:52] <Matt|> of doom is included in the doom-wad-shareware package (non-free
[10:52] <Matt|> section). You can use any other DOOM WADs as well.
[10:52] <Matt|> You can even play Heretic and Hexen if you have the WAD files.
[10:53] <Nafallo> Matt|: hehe, well. it uploads firmware anyway :-P
[10:53] <Matt|> but I can't find any package called doom-wad-shareware
[10:53] <UnIData> in fedora to save firewall rules is service iptables save, in ubuntu how ?
[10:53] <Matt|> does anyone know where it is?
[10:53] <WW> slade_: Did you use the -X option?  If so, I don't have any other suggestions.
[10:53] <spiv> Probably in multiverse, given that it would be non-free and unsupported.
[10:54] <spiv> slade_: If you're using ssh, why are you setting DISPLAY manually?
[10:54] <cenerentola> ogra: yeah i know that... but for a kind of purism id like to have more control so im asking you how can i do it textly
[10:54] <spiv> slade_: You might want to check if the remote system has X11 forwarding enabled in it's sshd_config
[10:55] <Nafallo> even though I found a bug in multiverse :-P.
[10:55] <spiv> slade_: And see if ssh -v suggests anything.
[10:55] <UnIData> Help, in fedora to save firewall rules is service iptables save, in ubuntu how ?
[10:55] <Matt|> spiv, i have multiverse but can't find it
[10:56] <callisto> ubuntu runs very well on a G3 350MHZ and 200mb ram, not compareable with a ix86
[10:56] <SuperQ> neat
[10:57] <spiv> Matt|: Looks like it failed to build: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/d/doom-wad-shareware/1.9-1/doom-wad-shareware_1.9-1_20041007-2334-i386-failed
[10:58] <Matt|> spiv, o ic
[10:58] <Matt|> spiv, will it be up later you think?
[10:58] <slade_> spiv: i didnt know you had to enable it on the remote system
[10:59] <spiv> Matt|: If someone figures out why it didn't build, and submits a fix, then yeah.
[10:59] <Matt|> spiv, you are a developer?
[10:59] <ogra> cenerentola: the mime infos are stored in /usr/share/mime/ but i wouldnt suggest to edit them manually....
[10:59] <spiv> But the developers aren't likely to spend any of their time on unsupported stuff themselves.
[10:59] <Matt|> oh yeah guess not
[10:59] <tolstoy> folks: given a file on the file system, how do I find out which package it's from?  (like rpm -q --whatprovides <filename>)
[11:00] <spiv> Matt|: Not a distro developer, no (but I do work for Canonical).
[11:00] <Matt|> spiv, you might be able to help me with something else
[11:00] <spiv> tolstoy: dpkg -S foo
[11:00] <Matt|> spiv, i was wondering why xchat is still at v 2.0.8
[11:01] <tolstoy> spiv, thanks.  I just looked right at that, and misunderstood. ;)
[11:02] <spiv> Matt|: Probably because that's the version it was at when warty froze.
[11:02] <spiv> It looks like 2.4.0 is already in hoary: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2004-October/000096.html
[11:02] <Matt|> spiv, thanks
[11:03] <Matt|> spiv, other packages get updated when I do an apt-get upgrade but not xchat
[11:04] <WW> Has anybody recently burned an ISO to a CD with Nautilus?
[11:04] <Matt|> WW nope
[11:04] <ogra> WW: not recently....but last time it worked
[11:05] <SmokingFire> WW: it should work
[11:05] <WW> ogra: I get errors, and I'd like to know if it is just me.
[11:06] <SmokingFire> what errors?
[11:06] <Matt|> lol
[11:06] <lamont> Matt|: xchat 2.0.8 because that's the version that was in sid on June 28.
[11:06] <lamont> likewise, it'll be whatever version of xchat is there ~end of december come hoary.
[11:07] <Matt|> lamont, ok right
[11:07] <Matt|> lamont, so the upgrades of other packages are just rebuilds by ubuntu?
[11:07] <WW> SmokingFire: just a sec...
[11:07] <zenwhen> lamont, why dont oyu update your software
[11:07] <adeleon> somebody could help me???
[11:07] <lamont> and things missing from warty won't ever be in warty - they might make it into hoary
[11:07] <zenwhen> you*
[11:07] <adeleon> ive an error with XKB
[11:07] <lamont> zenwhen: warty has released.  it now behaves much like debian stable
[11:07] <adeleon> .... at start up
[11:08] <lamont> that is, you'll find security fixes in warty-security, but warty is frozen solid.
[11:08] <adeleon> .... someboy know something???
[11:08] <zenwhen> oh
[11:08] <lamont> warty _RELEASED_.
[11:08] <adeleon> Help !!!!
[11:08] <lamont> done. fin.
[11:08] <adeleon> please ...
[11:08] <zenwhen> you cant update your software?
[11:08] <lamont> zenwhen: ??
[11:08] <zenwhen> lol
[11:08] <zenwhen> im confused as to why you would run such old software
[11:09] <nab> i need to ass some options to a module (bttv), can someone tell me what file i must edit? the modules.conf file doesnt want me to edit it directly
[11:09] <nab> *ass->add
[11:09] <WW> SmokingFire: I filed a bug about it: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2751
[11:09] <Matt|> lamont, ok i see thanks!
[11:09] <lamont> zenwhen: failure of the old software to have release critical bugs, that's why...
[11:09] <lamont> ubuntu ships every 6 months.
[11:09] <lamont> which is to say, many things in the release will be 4 months old.  such is life.
[11:09] <zenwhen> oh
[11:10] <tolstoy> lamont, sent another hopefully not too annoying message about sbcl (v. 8.16) to devel. ;)  Seemed to compile okay for me (w docs/tests too).
[11:10] <zenwhen> are you a dev or something
[11:10] <WW> SmokingFire: But I'm not sure if it is just something messed up in my system, or if it is a general problem.
[11:10] <zenwhen> i just dont see what prevents oyu from updating the softwar eon your pesonal machine
[11:10] <SmokingFire> I'm like ogra I havn't tried lately so you might be right.
[11:10] <lamont> tolstoy: yeah - once I get the dust settled on merging the warty changes into hoary (so that hoary can be reasonably safe for people), I'll burn a day or so on getting universe more bootstrapped.
[11:11] <tolstoy> lamont, okay.  Thanks! ;)
[11:11] <lamont> zenwhen: if it works,why change it.  machine is running stock warty, will probably roll to hoary in a few weeks.
[11:11] <SmokingFire> WW: just an uneducated guess what if you do sudo nautilus-cd-burner file.iso ?
[11:12] <fsc> Lamont, what's some new and cool stuff in Hoary?
[11:12] <usual> is there information on installing the mplayerplugin somewhere for ubuntu
[11:12] <Matt|> SmokingFire do you need to be root to burn cds?
[11:12] <WW> SmokingFire: I tried that once, but I still got the error.
[11:12] <the_tux> hi all....i have downloaded the latest release of ubuntu and i would like to know if i install on s-ata does it will cause something (i mean like problems, errors ) ?
[11:12] <lamont> fsc: current sid, newer gnome, etc.
[11:12] <gruberman_> whats a segmentation fault?
[11:12] <lamont> see the feature goals page on the wiki
[11:12] <usual> gruberman_, a fatal error
[11:12] <gruberman_> usual: It was fatal allright
[11:13] <fsc> lamont, so will we be able to add an "experimental" or something our sources.list to do an upgrade from Warty?
[11:13] <WW> SmokingFire: Besides, if it were a permissions problem, then it shouldn't have burned anything at all.
[11:13] <SmokingFire> Matt|: I don't think so with nautilus but perhaps the rules when launching from the console are different.
[11:13] <Matt|> SmokingFire, i tried to burn a cd with xcdroast the other day but it only worked if I was root
[11:13] <Matt|> SmokingFire, although that was not on ubuntu
[11:15] <SmokingFire> well I know that k3b needs root priviliges to burn
[11:16] <SmokingFire> Read it was related to the 2.6 kernel or somthing.
[11:16] <UnIData> Help, in fedora to save firewall rules is service iptables save, in ubuntu how ?
[11:16] <tableist90> anyone know how i can update the apps menu in the terminal?
[11:16] <the_tux> could anybody help me :(
[11:17] <WW> tableist90: Right-click in a submenu... you'll see several options.
[11:17] <ficusplanet> the_tux, what's the problem?
[11:17] <the_tux> hi all....i have downloaded the latest release of ubuntu and i would like to know if i install on s-ata does it will cause something (i mean like problems, errors ) ?
[11:17] <Matt|> lamont, i noticed that http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/d/doom-wad-shareware/1.9-1/doom-wad-shareware_1.9-1_20041007-2334-i386-failed has your name in it ;)
[11:17] <ficusplanet> the_tux, most sata controllers should work fine
[11:17] <SmokingFire> btw WW use cd-rw to do the tests such a wast of cd else.
[11:17] <Matt|> lamont, do you know what went wrong?
[11:18] <ogra> lamont: lol
[11:18] <the_tux> ficusplanet, thanks so much
[11:18] <ficusplanet> the_tux, no problem
[11:18] <WW> SmokingFire: All I have here are CD-Rs :)  I guess I could go shopping...
[11:18] <Matt|> ogra, did i do something wrong? ;)
[11:19] <SmokingFire> WW: I do most most of my stuff on cd-rw now as most old cd are never used again anyway.
[11:19] <ogra> Matt|: no, but i asked lamont last if it wouldnt be better to have anonymous builddirs ;)
[11:19] <Matt|> oh
[11:19] <SmokingFire> WW: burning speed may be slower but re-use makes up for that.
[11:20] <Matt|> ogra, lamont, just slap me down if i'm being annoying
[11:20] <Matt|> ogra, i just asked on the off chance
[11:20] <ogra> Matt|: because i thought he'd get this kind of questions.....
[11:20] <Matt|> ok
[11:20] <Matt|> ogra, if you made the suggestion, you must have thought that those kind of questions are bad in some way. Hence, i DID do something wrong ;)
[11:20] <WW> SmokingFire: Maybe I should try CD-RW just to see if I get the same error.  Any chance that would make a difference?
[11:21] <ogra> Matt|: i dont think he's annoyed by your questions ;) its just the way its set up so he'll  bear them.....
[11:22] <Matt|> ogra, oh i c
[11:22] <Matt|> ogra, so the name does not mean that he knows the answer
[11:22] <Matt|> :(
[11:23] <ogra> Matt|: he is just the guy who runs the mass builds... you could try to find the debian maintainer of the pkg to help you out if he doesnt mind
[11:24] <Matt|> ok thanks
[11:24] <Matt|> how many of you guys are there btw?
[11:28] <Matt|> i read that ubuntu is based on the isle of man. I wondered how many of the developers are there
[11:28] <michel_v> there's life on the isle of man?
[11:28] <GotD0t> i believe that "isle of man" is an allusion to the entire earth
[11:28] <Matt|> lol
[11:29] <Matt|> really?
[11:29] <Matt|> that sucks
[11:29] <GotD0t> i think so... i dont think theres an actual place named that
[11:29] <Matt|> GotD0t, sure there is
[11:29] <vrln> there is
[11:29] <Matt|> it is in the UK
[11:29] <Matt|> and island
[11:29] <Matt|> *an
[11:29] <GotD0t> really?
[11:29] <vrln> yup
[11:29] <Matt|> yep
[11:29] <GotD0t> then ive just learned something
[11:29] <Matt|> between England and Ireland
[11:30] <GotD0t> hmm
[11:30] <Matt|> ogra, you still there?
[11:30] <ogra> yep
[11:31] <Matt|> i read that ubuntu is based on the isle of man. I wondered how many of the developers are there
[11:31] <Mithrandir> none, I think.
[11:31] <ogra> dunno....
[11:31] <Matt|> where are you guys situated?
[11:31] <ogra> IOM got cheap taxes i guess
[11:32] <Mithrandir> I'm in .no, we have a bunch of people in the UK, some others spread around Europe, some in the US, some in Australia.
[11:32] <Matt|> lol cheap taxes eh
[11:33] <GotD0t> this is weird, you can get a RSS feed of your new messages for gmail, but it doesn't register messages that are pre-labeled as new
[11:33] <Matt|> are you guys paid to be developers?
[11:34] <Mithrandir> Matt|: most of us are, yes, but I think we're getting the new maintainer process going now; I haven't watched too closely so I can't really tell.
[11:34] <Matt|> so it's full time basically?
[11:34] <Mithrandir> I'm a student, so for me it's part-time.
[11:34] <Matt|> omg
[11:34] <Mithrandir> at least until I finish my master's degree.
[11:34] <Matt|> wow
[11:34] <Matt|> what is your masters about?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> scalable software distribution systems
[11:35] <Matt|> so where does the money come from to pay developers
[11:35] <Matt|> Mithrandir, kewl
[11:35] <Mithrandir> basically analyzing different packaging systems with a view on scalability in some specified set of dimensions.
[11:35] <Mithrandir> at least, that's the first part -- after Christmas, I'm going to work on improving one, probably dpkg.
[11:36] <ogra> Mithrandir: go go go !!!
[11:36] <Matt|> Mithrandir, fantastic
[11:36] <stvn> good :)
[11:36] <Matt|> Mithrandir, are you looking at emerge?
[11:36] <Mithrandir> Matt|: I've looked at it briefly, yes, but it's not one of the one I analyze in depth -- I'm doing bsd ports instead of it.
[11:36] <Matt|> right
[11:37] <lamont> Matt|: I just build the bits... Sometimes I look at universe logs, but usually it's as needed, and no more.
[11:37] <Matt|> lamont, yeah ogra explained it
[11:37] <Mithrandir> they're not the same, but they share a lot of ideas.
[11:37] <Matt|> lamont, thanks for being patient and not kicking me!!
[11:37] <Matt|> Mithrandir, the bsd portage does not use python is that right?
[11:37] <Matt|> <-- total n00b
[11:38] <subterrific> jdub: around?
[11:38] <lamont> Matt|: in that case, the package is missing a Build-Depends: debhelper (and probably more...)
[11:38] <Matt|> hmm
[11:38] <Mithrandir> Matt|: the bssd ports is based around makefiles
[11:38] <Mithrandir> s/bssd/bsd/
[11:39] <Matt|> sure] 
[11:39] <Matt|> but i heard that gentoo use python to organise their portage
[11:39] <Mithrandir> but in the concept of downloading tarballs from upstream sites, automatically applying patches and registering the built packages in some kind of database, it looks a lot like portage, even if the implementation is totally different.
[11:39] <Matt|> ok
[11:39] <Matt|> well all these package managers are great
[11:39] <Matt|> apt is nice
[11:40] <michel_v> matt: emerge is indeed done in python
[11:40] <michel_v> and bsd's portupgrade is done in ruby
[11:41] <Mithrandir> yeah, apt is nice, dpkg has a horrible code base, with a really arcane error handling and weird bits in the corners but works fairly well, most of the time.
[11:41] <Matt|> oh
[11:41] <michel_v> portupgrade doesn't come by default though, it has to be installed
[11:41] <Matt|> i don't know how to use dpks
[11:41] <Matt|> g
[11:41] <Matt|> this is my first week with a debian based system :)
[11:41] <stvn> apt although being nice is a mess in handling, you got tons of different commands/programs to do stuff
[11:42] <Matt|> i'll just leave it to synaptic
[11:42] <Matt|> stvn, same with gentoo portage tho
[11:42] <Mithrandir> Matt|: you shouldn't need to touch dpkg itself, synaptic should handle it through apt.
[11:42] <Mithrandir> debian's packaging system is a bit like an onion -- synaptic wraps apt which wraps dpkg which really wraps ar and tar/gzip.
[11:43] <Matt|> Mithrandir, if I wanna remove something at the command prompt, i can do "apt-get remove" without worrying about losing a crucial dependency?
[11:43] <stvn> Matt|: never used gentoo, so can't compare, but for apt you get the set of apt-* programs and dpkg* ones, it's quite confusing
[11:43] <Matt|> stvn, yeah i take your point
[11:43] <Mithrandir> Matt|: yes, it will whine really loudly if you do that to some Essential package.
[11:43] <michel_v> stvn: gentoo has fewer utilities actually
[11:43] <Matt|> stvn, gentoo uses "emerge" for adding and removing packages, but if you want to check reverse dependencies you have to use something else
[11:43] <Matt|> Mithrandir, ok great
[11:44] <michel_v> stvn: for everyday package management, emerge alone suffices. sometimes you may want to use qpkg, but that's about it
[11:44] <Mithrandir> Matt|: just try apt-get remove libc6 and you'll see the prompt.
[11:44] <michel_v> that's what I like about gentoo
[11:44] <Matt|> ok
[11:44] <thomaes> hello, does anybody know whether k3b is able to create *.iso-images or not??
[11:44] <Matt|> Mithrandir, lol that is a great message
[11:44] <stvn> the newer package system *should* be better than the older ones, otherwise they haven't learned anything from the older ones
[11:45] <Mithrandir> Matt|: you can remove a lot of stuff without getting the message though, like X, all the editors on your system and so on..
[11:45] <Matt|> Mithrandir, oh dear
[11:45] <Matt|> Mithrandir, i'll stick to synaptic then
[11:45] <stvn> always use at least aptitude and check what's happening
[11:45] <stvn> I like aptitude a lot
[11:45] <Mithrandir> so if you try, you can hose your system fairly well, but you can't rid yourself of stuff like sed, bash, apt and so on.
[11:46] <Matt|> lol
[11:46] <michel_v> matt: synaptic would still allow you to get rid of X, IIRC
[11:46] <Mithrandir> so you can always get it back up and running again, which is nice.
[11:46] <michel_v> and of all your editors
[11:46] <stvn> Mithrandir: you can, but you've to keep on saying that you *really* want to destroy your system
[11:46] <Matt|> michel_v, yes but when you remove something, it tells you that it needs to remove all the reverse dependencies doesn't it?
[11:47] <Mithrandir> stvn: yeah, and you should probably see that it's trying to remove a few hundred packages.. :)
[11:47] <stvn> Mithrandir: yeah
[11:47] <Matt|> the nice thing about RPM is that you can't remove a single package without it telling you all the other packages which depend on it
[11:48] <stvn> Mithrandir: I once got it removing the base system, it spew a lot of errors, so I stopped, anyone who manages do remove the base system is just plain stupid IMHO
[11:48] <Matt|> erm
[11:48] <Matt|> i have removed ubuntu-base
[11:48] <Matt|> lol
[11:48] <Matt|> >_>
[11:48] <Matt|> <_<
[11:49] <stvn> Matt|: heh, that's nothing ;)
[11:49] <Matt|> that's what i though
[11:49] <stvn> just a meta package
[11:49] <thomaes> hello, does anybody know whether k3b is able to create *.iso-images or not??
[11:49] <Matt|> sorry thomaes
[11:49] <Mithrandir> stvn: or you know what you do -- you need to remove a fair amount of base to fit it onto a 128MB CF card, for instance.
[11:49] <Matt|> no idea
[11:49] <Mithrandir> thomaes: I think so, yes, but I've never used k3b so I can't tell you how.
[11:50] <WW> thomaes: I just fired it up, and I see a "Copy CD" option, so presumably it reads the CD and puts a copy in a temporary file.
[11:50] <stvn> Mithrandir: yeah, but those ppl prolly will not come back complaing that 'the computer doesn't work
[11:50] <Mithrandir> stvn: that's true. :)
[11:50] <WW> thomaes: However, the command 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso' is very easy :)
[11:50] <Matt|> where does the money come from to pay developers?
[11:50] <stvn> WW: yeah but useless for home prepared iso images ;)
[11:51] <WW> stvn: What do you mean?
[11:51] <stvn> Matt|: from cannoincal
[11:51] <thomaes> oh, thank you WW
[11:51] <stvn> hm typos
[11:51] <Matt|> who is cannoincal
[11:51] <joh> Hello, I've just installed ubuntu on an amd64 machine, but the system is pretty unstable at the moment, it has suddenly crashed for no reason and I've experienced various kernel oopses and errors. Have anyone else had any success getting ubuntu to work good on amd64?
[11:51] <stvn> WW: if you're trying to  build your own iso, copying a cd is kinda uselss ;)
[11:52] <stvn> Matt|: check the ubuntu site, there's a link to cannoical
[11:52] <Matt|> k
[11:52] <ogra> stvn: you mean like with mkisofs ?
[11:52] <stvn> damn typos
[11:52] <Matt|> sponsors eh
[11:52] <stvn> yep
[11:52] <Mithrandir> Matt|: http://www.canonical.com/ ; I can't tell you anything you can't find there.
[11:52] <Matt|> what's in it for them?
[11:53] <djzorro> Sorry to bother: I have a Vaio laptop, but when I shoutdown, acpi_poweroff don't power it down. It's a PCG-FX505. Another thing I checked is that by rebooting (with any kernel version / any distribution), you can't get any Windows NT5.x+ version booting (I have to manually swith it off/on - rebooting Linux is fine). Poweroff with others distros is fine (ex. Slackware), but I think they poweroff my laptop with apm). Any hints?
[11:53] <Matt|>  Canonical is a global organisation headquartered in the Isle of Man
[11:53] <stvn> ogra: yeah
[11:53] <WW> stvn: Ah, good point.  I assumed he was trying to copy from a CD, but he didn't actually say that :)
[11:53] <stvn> :)
[11:54] <Matt|> where do canonical get the money from? ;p
[11:54] <ogra> djzorro: i got a pcg-f707 where acpi never worked :(
[11:54] <stvn> Matt|: from mark
[11:54] <cristian> Matt|: www.markshuttleworth.com
[11:54] <stvn> Matt|: well he's called safbd or something here
[11:54] <ubuntu_> Matt|, Mark Shuttleworth
[11:54] <djzorro> I also think it's buggy, but Sony don't have a BIOS update. There's a way I can powerdown it with APM under Ubuntu (that ROCKS big time!)?
[11:55] <Matt|> wow there is one person putting up the money for ubuntu?
[11:55] <ubuntu_> Matt|, he is worth like 500 million dollars :)
[11:55] <ogra> djzorro: type: lsmod|grep apm
[11:56] <ogra> djzorro: in a terminal
[11:56] <djzorro> Ogra: I don't have any APM module loaded :(
[11:56] <Matt|> ah he is a venture capitalist
[11:56] <ogra> djzorro: sudo modprobe spm
[11:56] <djzorro> I got an error when modprobing :(
[11:56] <ogra> djzorro: sudo modprobe apm
[11:56] <Matt|> thank god there are some people putting up money for opensource
[11:56] <djzorro> PA-A1-OC3MM
[11:56] <djzorro> Opps.. FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[11:56] <michel_v> Matt|: he's a guy who has experience in software
[11:57] <ogra> djzorro: how is you bios set up ?
[11:57] <michel_v> Matt|: thank IBM, Sun, multiple companies hiring opensource devs, and so on...
[11:57] <Matt|> michel_v, i guess there must be some money in it for them huh?
[11:57] <tolstoy> ubuntu doesn't know I have more than on CPU!  The sky is falling!
[11:57] <michel_v> the time for most opensource development that matters is paid
[11:57] <jordi> tolstoy: got a smp kernel?
[11:58] <djzorro> Ogra: like all Phoneix custom Sony BIOSes, you just can't do nothing but boot order :(
[11:58] <ogra> djzorro: i can set up several things for PM in mine
[11:58] <ubuntu_> wth is going on I am logged into irc on the wrong name :(
[11:58] <Matt|> lol
[11:59] <Matt|> michel_v, but how to people like Sun make money out of it?
[11:59] <ubuntu_> and I see my name listed in the irc channel
 and I see my name listed in the irc channel
[11:59] <Matt|> your name is ubuntu_
[11:59] <tolstoy> jordi, probably not. ;)
[11:59] <Daenzello> does someone there use blender ?
[11:59] <tolstoy> jordi, plus I have that nvidia kernel, or so it seems.