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djzorroOgra, no way. Anyway I can reboot to double check things.. but without changing anything, with a cute Slackware 10 install, I could swithoff the laptop with 'powerdown'.12:00
ubuntu_my computer locked up (and I had to re-boot) but somehow I am still logged in from before the re-boot wth ??12:00
michel_vMatt|: Sun and IBM have their proprietary offerings too, and with OSS, software is not the only thing you sell. you also sell support and custom services12:00
Matt|ubuntu_, you can kill your previous nick12:00
ubuntu_Matt|, how ?12:01
Matt|do "/msg nickserv ghost previous_nick password12:01
Matt|"12:01
ubuntu_ahh12:01
ogradjzorro: i can select acpi on/off12:01
vasinow that warty's released, will we only see security fixes until hoary?12:01
ogravasi: no ;)12:01
Matt|michel_v, yeah i guess so12:01
Mithrandirvasi: if you continue to run warty, you'll see security fixes for 18 months. :)12:01
ogravasi: sorry misread12:01
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ogralol12:02
vasier sorry...i meant will warty be updated with anything besides security fixes? or will all new things be pushed to hoary?12:03
LinuxJonesthat was bizarre12:03
stvnubuntu didn't exist at all in october 2002, right?12:03
Matt|stvn, this is the first release i thought12:03
djzorroOgra, I reboot and check. Back later. UBUNTU ROCKS! FINNALLY A LINUX DISTRIBUTION THAT ROCKS!12:03
ogravasi: only security fixes12:03
ogradjzorro: yeah !!12:03
stvnMatt|: yeah, but it existed before the release obviously ;)12:04
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vasithanks ogra12:04
Matt|stvn, guess so12:04
Matt|stvn, in fact i assumed that the release number was indicative of that, until i read the FAQ12:05
ogravasi: but hoary is scheduled for april....12:05
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tolstoyto get an smp kernel, i, "apt-get install linux-686-smp" ?12:07
ogratolstoy: yep12:08
tolstoyand those nvidia abominations will still be okay?12:09
tolstoy(nothing like compiling darcs (haskell)) to bog down the system.12:09
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ogratolstoy: nvidia should work with smp12:11
tolstoyyes, looked like it download appropriate things.12:12
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djzorroOgra: there are no ACPI/APM options in the bios. What a shame :(12:12
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majunohola12:12
Matt|ciao12:13
Matt|does anyone here use flashplugin?12:13
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Matt|if so, is it working nicely? on my computer it is really fast but also really jerky12:14
ogradjzorro: probably you find something here: http://tuxmobil.org/sony.html12:14
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amathisok, I am taking the dive and installing...12:17
amathisbeen doing a lot of research12:17
amathisubuntu looks really cool.12:17
Matt|is firefox 1.0PR not in ubuntu????12:17
Matt|i seem to have 0.9.3?!?!?!?12:17
U-235haha, you are supposed to update it12:18
michel_vMatt|: you aren't missing on much12:18
amathiswarty-release-install-i386.iso   is the most current right? and this is the only thing I need to download right?12:18
michel_v1.0PR and RC1 are so unstable it's saddening12:18
vrlnamathis: yup12:19
WWMatt|: Ubuntu dallied with 1.0PR during pre-release, but it was buggy.12:19
stvnnught12:19
amathisvrln, thank you.12:19
Matt|U-235, how?12:19
ogramichel_v: ever tried the search function in 1.0 ? if its stable it will be great12:19
stvnnight even12:19
U-235Matt: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto12:19
Matt|ogra, yeah that is a nice touch12:19
Matt|U-235, i have upgraded my whole system, but firefox is still 0.9.312:20
ograMatt|: no 1.0 in warty12:20
Matt|yeah exactly12:20
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Matt|<U-235> haha, you are supposed to update it12:21
U-235well then i can't help you, i dont even have ubuntu yet12:21
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WW!12:21
Matt|ah12:21
tolstoyIs it, uh, bad when on bootup, modprobe hw_random doesn't work?12:23
ogratolstoy: nope, ignore it12:24
ograpcihp as well12:24
tolstoyogra, is that just a "hoary" wrinkle?12:24
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altan how can I rename files to be sequential, like from whatever.mp3 and kickasssong.mp3 to 1.mp3 / 2.mp3 and so on?12:25
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ogratolstoy: its a message from hotplug, if can't find certain haedware (because its not existent) it throws this error out12:26
ograif it12:26
iretchis there wpa support in ubuntu?12:26
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LinuxJonesogra, your still the world typing champion compared to me :)12:27
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spivaltan: x=0; for f in *.mp3 ; do mv $f ${x}.mp3 ; x=$(($x+1)) ; done  # something like that.12:27
ograLinuxJones: but my abilitys fade ....12:27
ogra;)12:27
LinuxJonesogra, I totaly suck @ keyboarding12:28
LinuxJonesogra, which is ironic since I do most stuff in console :)12:28
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tolstoy_someone else's kingdom for a gkrellm-themes package! ;)12:29
timothy_Hey, I wish I'd noticed this before: very cool that the live CD includes some stuff from TheOpenCD12:29
ograLinuxJones: btw, i'll get a personal trainer for the next month ;)12:30
spivaltan: Although it probably wants extra quoting for filenames with spaces...12:30
timothy_Means I can give people a single disk instead of the pair of TheOpenCD+$Linux Live CD12:30
Beastiretch, what card do you have?12:30
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ogratimothy: whose ?12:30
ogratimothy: kingdom?12:30
tolstoy_King George's?12:31
altanspiv: damn, I should have looked more carefully before I did that, I lost a bunch of files now :/12:31
altanany way to get them back?12:31
kensaiI have sound on Unreal tournament but not in americas army here is what the terminal says when I launch americas army:12:31
kensaiopen /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable12:31
kensaiXlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".12:31
iretchbeast: apple airport card, its based on orinoco12:31
timothy_ogra: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/live-i386.iso <-- that one, I think ...12:31
iretchit supports wpa under osx12:31
timothy_ogra: see theopencd.org ...12:32
Beastiretch, better have a look at the linux drive to check12:32
spivaltan: eek.  I was assuming you'd backup the files first :/12:32
timothy_They link to http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/12:32
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altanthey're backed up on another disk, but i'd have to reboot since that disk is not connected12:32
spivAh.12:32
iretchhmm12:32
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spivIt should've refused to mv if there were spaces, because it would've gotten too many arguments.12:33
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iretchwell if the driver supports it12:33
iretchim still only seeing options for wep keys12:33
iretchin the network config12:33
spivaltan: are you sure it lost files, or did it just fail to rename some?12:34
topyliwell, two experiences of hoary upgrades. at work, where i have a small monitor and low resolution, the gnome fonts went weird. at home with a bigger resolution all is ok. otherwise all is fine :)12:34
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altanspiv: it gave me > on a new line whenever I hit enter, which was probably a prompt for each file, but then I, uh, got bored and hit ctrl+c12:35
kensaiI belive my problem with sound in americas army is in this line:12:35
kensaiopen /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable12:36
altanoh well, not a big problem12:36
kensaibut I can't seem to understand it12:36
spivIt shouldn't prompt for each file... does mv usually prompt for you?12:36
altanno12:36
spiv(i.e. have you set mv -i to be the default)?12:36
spivYou're using bash?12:36
altanI haven't changed anything12:36
altanyeah bash12:36
spivaltan: Odd, then it works for me... maybe you made a transcription error?12:37
spivBtw, here's the version that copes with spaces: x=0; for f in *.mp3 ; do mv "$f" ${x}.mp3 ; x=$(($x+1)) ; done12:38
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afv-13is it true that there is no root user?12:39
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ograafv-13: root is disabled in ubuntu12:40
altanthere's no root user, but there is root access12:40
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afv-13interesting12:40
topyliafv-13: there's always root but it might not be able to log in :)12:40
ograafv-13: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:40
afv-13thanks12:41
ograjust to proove my bot status ;)12:41
spivafv-13: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root12:41
topyliheh12:41
spivogra: heh :)12:41
ogra*g*12:41
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KeyserLaptopKeyserSoze: you in here?12:42
topylispiv: i think this is a faq, yes :)12:42
KeyserLaptopi have the nick registered, I will just kill your connection again :(12:42
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afv-13using sudo for root access can't be safe12:42
topyliafv-13: how so?12:42
Matt|aha controversy12:42
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ograafv-13: read the "benefits" on the wiki12:43
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afv-13k12:43
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afv-13i just don't like the fact that you can do something as root without requiring a password12:44
LinuxJonesafv-13, it does require a password12:44
afv-13unless ubuntu has a hectic sudoers config12:44
topyliafv-13: yours12:44
afv-13oic12:44
spivafv-13: sudo prompts for your password.12:44
ograafv-13: its a great model ;)12:44
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minimikehello12:45
iretch_argh my connection dropped while messing with it did you say anything beast12:45
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topyliafv-13: i have enabled root though for other purposes like webmin12:45
LinuxJonesafv-13, it is assumed that whoever installs Ubuntu is the administrator any users added afterwards are not granted the same permissions as the person who installed it :)12:45
topyliafv-13: but basically you never need to be root on any distro12:46
afv-13so the user who installed is _always_ asked for the root password when running sudo?12:46
Matt|it is a good idea i think12:46
amathisis partitioning in ubuntu easy?12:46
amathisI don't want to fsck something up.12:46
topyliafv-13: your own password12:46
afv-13the user password?12:46
afv-13:o12:46
spivafv-13: It caches your password for a bit.12:46
topyliafv-13: yes12:47
afv-13<topyli> afv-13: but basically you never need to be root on any distro12:47
topyliafv-13: when you create another user, they don't have the same powers though12:47
afv-13explain12:47
Matt|only the first user can do sudo12:48
Matt|the other users are just regular12:48
afv-13to install programs you need to be root12:48
WWafv-13: There is a "sudoers" list.  Only those users in the list are able to use sudo.12:48
topyliafv-13: at least i never am root on debian or mandrake (which is what i use). sudo does the trick12:48
afv-13i understand12:48
amathiscan I PM someone so that I can get a firm understanding of something?12:48
LinuxJonesamathis, just ask :)12:48
WWspiv: What did you mean when you said "It caches your password for a bit."?12:49
LinuxJonesamathis, here not pm12:49
amathisLinuxJones, no, because it would be compilicated to try and figure it out in a big channel.12:49
amathisnevermind.12:49
Matt|WW, you don't need to enter it twice if you do two sudo commands close together12:49
Matt|amathis, please try!12:49
LinuxJonesamathis, but there are so many more people to offer advise and someone else might be having the same issue :P12:49
WWMatt|: OK, now THAT sounds dangerous.  How long is "a bit"?12:49
topyliamathis: it may just be somthing you think is complicated and we'll figure it out in a minute :)12:49
amathistopyli, that is not what I meant at all.12:50
afv-13a user can change their own password, right?12:50
Matt|WW, dunno, i assumed it was until you close the terminal ;)12:50
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Matt|afv-13, yes12:50
LinuxJonesamathis, there are no stupid questions if your new to Linux either :)12:50
tolstoy_Hm. In a dual monitor setting, Xchat doesn't show up in the panel unless it's on the same side of the screen as the panel itself.12:50
amathisI did not say my problem was complicated :) I meant that it is hard to follow a conv in a big channel12:50
amathishere it goes:12:50
ograWW: enables things like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade12:50
WWMatt|: That means I have my usual $ prompt, but I have root privileges???12:50
tolstoy_Must be a feature.12:50
Matt|amathis, just type the nick of the person you are talking to and they can follow the conversation12:50
Matt|WW, guess so yes12:50
WWogra: Oh, I see.  I still have to use "sudo", but it doesn't ask for the password. That's not so bad.12:51
topyliamathis: if you need to flood big outputs of error messages, just put them in #flood12:51
amathisI have a /home partition, and I want to save it.... I have partitioned many times before.. but never tried to save a partition.. from what the docs say, it seems like it will write over any data...12:51
amathisI want to only format / and /user12:51
amathis*/usr12:51
amathishow cna I be sure it won't overwrite /home.12:51
amathistopyli, I know, I am not new to irc :)12:52
topyliamathis: sorry :)12:52
Matt|lol12:52
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spivWW: Right.  And you can use sudo -k to uncache it immediately.12:52
afv-13if a user can change their own password, then anything not knowing the user password, can change it, and run whatever it wants as root12:52
ograamathis: juszt install in the free space and mount your home afterwards12:52
LinuxJonesamathis, are you doing a fresh install of Ubuntu ?12:52
afv-13that seems like a huge hole to me12:52
WWspiv: Neat, thanks.12:52
spivafv-13: If the administrator's account is compromised, then you're screwed sudo or not.12:53
amathisLinuxJones, yes12:53
amathisthis computer is in Slackware right now.12:53
amathisand all my valuables are in /home12:53
spiv("administrator" meaning person that runs sudo or su)12:53
topyliafv-13: you can crack root just the same as a user. only you always you know there's a user named "root" but don't know about the others :)12:53
afv-13spacey`ki: administrator being a user12:53
afv-13* spiv12:53
spivRight.12:54
amathisogra, so I can delete all other partitions and just tell it to use free space??12:54
wfxhi, the gnome network config tool say i cant not connect to samba because i dont have install the needed smb software, but i have the smbclient and the samba-common installed12:54
amathisand it will create my file system without over writing /home?12:54
afv-13topyli: to change root password you need to be root12:54
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spivAnd the user created during ubuntu's install is such a user (i.e. they are in the sudoers group).12:54
topyliafv-13: or use sudo12:54
Matt|afv-13, the administrator is the FIRST user created during installation12:54
ograamathis: thats what i did....then i mounted my old home in /home..... deleted all the old gnome configs and was done12:55
afv-13i don't have sudo installed12:55
spivBut other users aren't, by default.12:55
Matt|afv-13, do you have ubuntu installed?12:55
amathisogra, when did you mount /home?12:55
afv-13no12:55
ograafv-13: root has no pw in ubuntu12:55
Matt|ok np12:55
afv-13just doing some research12:55
spivafv-13: Explain an attack on a system using sudo that doesn't apply anyway :)12:55
topyliafv-13: you're theorizing then12:55
amathisogra, root has no password in ubuntu?12:55
Matt|lol12:55
ograamathis: after the system was showing me the gdm loginscreen12:55
afv-13well theorizing or not12:55
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afv-13its more than possible12:55
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amathis<ogra> afv-13: root has no pw in ubuntu12:56
spivamathis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root12:56
ograamathis: root is disabled....12:56
amathisohh12:56
amathisok12:56
ograamathis: thus no pw12:56
WWHey, theorizing is good... it's important, even.12:56
amathisjust making sure I am not installing a distro with no root pass >D12:56
ograWW: lol12:56
amathiswell..12:56
amathishere it goes.12:56
topyliamathis: you're not installing lindows anyway :)12:56
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amathistopyli, yeah.12:57
LinuxJonesamathis, if your not sure jsut ask and we can walk you through it :)12:57
amathisLinuxJones, I have installed harder distro's before.. it is just that I have never tryed to save a partition.12:57
amathisthat is my only question.12:57
LinuxJonesamathis, that's ok this will be your 1st one :P12:57
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ograamathis: just keep in mind which partition was home ;)12:57
amathisogra, haha12:58
topyliamathis: in the installer, get to the boot options and choose "expert" or "custom" or whatever it is. it will let you take care of the partitioning12:58
amathisokie12:58
afv-13could someone please try to convince me some more12:58
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topyliafv-13: you really are a pain =)12:59
afv-13sorry12:59
topyliafv-13: just kidding12:59
ograafv-13: dont take him serious12:59
afv-13its either that or i fail the distro12:59
afv-13:(12:59
amathisaugh12:59
amathiswish me luck.01:00
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Matt|afv-13, we will convince you01:00
Matt|here is how it works01:00
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spivafv-13: Please explain why sudo is less secure than an alternative.01:00
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spivafv-13: Then we can tell you why you're wrong, and hopefully you'll be convinced :)01:00
Matt|the first user installed is the ADMIN. Only that person can use sudo by default.01:00
afv-13ok, let me give an example of a naughty program01:00
afv-13(run by the person who installed ubuntu)01:01
afv-13changes useer password, sudo rm -rf /, echo "owned"01:01
Matt|you need to know the password to change it01:01
ograavf: at this point the user is actually asked for his pw *g*01:02
spivafv-13: Ok, if the user that's going to be the admin is running exploited software in their account, they've already lost.01:02
topylithat's the person who installed, they have root anyway. where's the difference?01:02
Matt|if you know the password, then you can just do "sudo rm -rf / directoyl01:02
LinuxJonesafv-13, thow does the program know what user installed Ubutu or their password ?01:02
spivafv-13: Because it can then install keyloggers and the like in the users account to capture the password, including when they run good ol' "su".01:02
afv-13spiv: in my setup, exploited software can ONLY take out my home dir01:02
afv-13cause to become root, i need the root password, not the user password01:03
ograafv-13: the user is asked for his pw by sudo01:03
topyliafv-13: you're dismissing this: you installed the system, you have root anyway01:03
spivafv-13: Not true.  They can grab passwords with key loggers... and getting ssh keys and gpg private keys could easily lead to more accounts on other boxes.01:03
afv-13topyli: you are only supposed to be root when you absolutely have to01:04
ograafv-13: sudo works interactively....01:04
topyliafv-13: like i said before, i'm never root. but i do _have_ it01:04
spivafv-13: Exploiting the account of an admin user is not significantly different to just getting root immediately, in terms of exposure.  As soon as that admin types "su -" into an xterm, the keylogger will have the root password.01:04
WWSome light reading, for those interested: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/29/Big_Scary_Daemons.html01:05
spivafv-13: That's *why* sudo is a useful model.01:05
topylispiv: exactly01:05
spivafv-13: sudo makes it very easy to only run things as root when you need it, rather than being lazy and leaving root prompts around.01:05
afv-13spiv: ok, lets forget about ketloggers for now01:05
afv-13*key01:06
ograafv-13: how would you install them ?01:06
topyliafv-13: you also have to worry differently about local and remote users01:06
afv-13what is stopping any malicious app from gaining root access?01:06
spivafv-13: That's the exact same scenario.01:06
topyliafv-13: who has access to console01:06
ograsudo askin for your pw even in scripts01:06
afv-13topyli: noone01:07
afv-13unless you login01:07
spivIf you are running hostile software in an account, you have to assume that entire account, and everything it can access, is compromised.01:07
afv-13a script cant login01:07
jduboh man01:07
jdubthis is an extended discussion...01:07
spivWell, roughly :)01:07
spivjdub: Heh, yeah, it dragged out for longer than expected :)01:07
afv-13sorry :(01:07
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topyliafv-13: access to console and remote access are different things altogether. if i could get to your house i could just shut down your server and there is your security :)01:08
callistogood night01:08
Matt|nite01:08
WWafv-13: Don't worry, it will happen again :)01:08
ogranight01:08
hectorvshey guys, whats up...01:08
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hectorvsubuntu is GREAT! :D i just have a prob with ethernet (wireless worked autmatically, heh)01:08
afv-13topyli: i think see what you mean01:08
jdubhectorvs: heh, bizarre ;)01:09
ograafv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)01:09
hectorvsjdub, i know hehe01:09
topyliafv-13: now expand that to disabled root vs. root logins01:09
hectorvsthe thing is that I can detect it and create a connection, but when i click on enable, the checkmark appears but dissappears after 2 seconds...01:09
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hectorvswhat could the problem be?01:09
ograjdub: yesterday someone told us about linux virii *g*01:10
ograjdub: this here was nottin01:10
afv-13topyli: app changes your password, sends password to cracker, cracker logs into your pc (as user)...01:10
theantixogra: yeah, but you have to compile it first :-)01:10
WWBut now I'm wondering about the sudo password caching again.  Does anyone know how long it lasts?01:10
spivogra: I'm glad I missed that one ;)01:11
hectorvshmm, anybody know how to make Mplayer my default video player??01:11
hectorvsi already installed it and its working flawlessly01:11
jdubWW: it's configurable01:11
afv-13senario 1 (gentoo) no way to get root, van only screw up home01:11
afv-13senario 2 (ubuntu) sudo, and you are dead01:11
WWjdub: Do you know what the default is?01:11
ograafv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)01:12
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Matt|ogra, what was asked about linux virii?01:12
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LinuxJonesheh01:12
afv-13lol01:12
afv-13hit and run there ogra01:12
afv-13:p01:12
topyliafv-13: i'd like to see such app. everybody is trying to crack root. who knows what usernames there are on a random box?01:12
jdubWW: Once a user has been authenticated, a01:12
jdub       timestamp is updated and the user may then use sudo without a password01:12
jdub       for a short period of time (15 minutes unless overridden in sudoers).01:12
afv-13topyli: the point is that no cracking is needed in ubuntu01:13
afv-13you can just sudo01:13
ograafv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)01:13
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afv-13ogra: i heard you the 1st time01:13
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jdubafv-13: you have to have the user's password.01:13
topyliafv-13: you need to crack my account first. do you know my username even?01:13
afv-13topyli: you just ran the app as yourself01:13
WWjdub: Thanks.01:14
WWogra: That01:14
jdubafv-13: disabling root and requiring sudo to run processes as root is another barrier to entry. it does not make life easier for crackers.01:14
WWoops01:14
topyliafv-13: if an application does it, i don't have much power over the system without supplying a password to sudo01:14
jdubWW: (man sudo ;)01:14
atomskdid anyone manage to get an ATI Radeon9800 to use hardware acceleration?01:14
afv-13topyli: what password?01:14
topylimine01:14
afv-13exactly01:14
afv-13the app just changed that01:14
WWjdub: Right, I should have... :)01:14
ograatomsk: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:15
WWafv-13: Can an app change my password?01:15
topyliafv-13: how did the app get to change my password?01:15
tricky1any software to Burn MP3's directly to CD as an Audio CD, I've tried mp3 burn, but cdrecord is spitting out errors left and right01:15
wfxunder gentoo i can run emerge vmware and i have vmware(serial must buy) is there also a ubuntu package?01:15
ograafv-13: would you send me _this_ app please ?01:16
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topyliafv-13: if i change my password myself, passwd asks me for my old password01:16
afv-13ogra: its a theoretical app01:16
topyliafv-13: oh, i forgot :)01:16
afv-13but im getting convinced :p01:16
ograafv-13: too much interaction in all your theoretical apps to do anything like that01:16
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stuNNedyou do, we do, we all do ubuntu!01:17
ograyay01:17
hectorvshmm, anybody know how to give i8k support to ubuntu?01:17
atomskogra: geez...that page changed quite a lot :) Thanks01:17
hectorvsi have to recompile the kernel right?01:17
ograatomsk: ;)01:17
jdubhectorvs: i8k?01:18
afv-13topyli: so basically, 1 account need to be cracked to kill ubuntu01:18
afv-13*needs01:18
hectorvsjdub: yeah, the controls for the buttons  (multimedia, volume) on the dell laptops01:18
stuNNedcan someone plz tell me what .debs i need to get linux samba client workie workie?01:18
ograhectorvs: sudo modprobe i8k01:18
WWIf I were to accidentally run a malicious app during the 15 minutes that my sudo password is cached, could it then wreak havoc?01:18
spivhectorvs: $ modprobe -l | grep i8k01:18
spiv/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko01:18
jdubafv-13: dude.01:18
afv-13whereas 2 accounts need to be cracked for other sistros01:19
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jdubafv-13: when you can login as root, you only need... one account... to crack the machine.01:19
hectorvsorga: it gives me a "No such device" error01:19
afv-13jdub: i am only playing devils advocate, not looking for a fight01:19
afv-13trying to understand01:19
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kapputuhi all01:20
stuNNedum isn't sudo less secure cuz only need one password to gain root access instead of two?01:20
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kapputuhi stuNNed01:20
ograhectorvs: are you sure  i8k works for your hw otherwise ?01:20
kapputuhi ogra, howz u01:20
stuNNedhi kapputu!01:20
ograhi kapp:01:20
topyliafv-13: this conversation shoud go to the faq verbatim :)01:20
LinuxJonesWW, only if you ran the app from the console and it was still in '#' mode01:20
kapputuhi LinuxJones01:20
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jdubafv-13: perhaps this will make you less comfortable - when you log in as single user on an ubuntu system (with root disabled), it does not ask you for a password, it just drops you to a root prompt.01:20
LinuxJoneskapputu, hiya :)01:20
hectorvsorga: yeah, i made it work while i was on gentoo... i have a dell 860001:21
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topylijdub: thank you very much ;)01:21
topylibut that means local access01:21
jdubafv-13: that sounds insecure, but the only way you can do that is if you have physical access to the machine. and if you have physical access to the machine, you're screwed anyway.01:21
winkleIt looks like muine is in universe but apt doesn't find it, any ideas?01:22
afv-13true01:22
jdubwinkle: you've enabled universe?01:22
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winklejdub: Yes.01:22
ograhectorvs: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/view?searchterm=laptop%20i8k01:22
topylijdub: yes, i can turn off your servers anytime if i get access to your house01:22
ograhectorvs: 5.8 and above01:22
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jdubafv-13: and in any situation where you have security policies that are different to the ubuntu defaults, you can impliment those without hassle.01:23
kapputuok guys one more ubuntu machine is coming into this world01:23
kappututommorow it'll be two more01:23
WWtopyli: There is more to worry about than turning off servers.01:23
ograhectorvs: oh and 5.5 indeed01:23
winklejdub: (if enabled you mean adding it to sources.lists), it's strange since blam is found.01:23
kapputuI dont need partition magic if I already have two fat partitions I want to use right ?01:23
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kensaiI'm having problems with sound the sound theme in ubuntu works just great but in xmms and gaming there is no sound01:23
seb128winkle: what's the error ?01:23
LinuxJoneskapputu, you get a new box or installing on someone else's machine ?01:24
kappututhis one is on one of my desktops01:24
topyliWW: well, it's true that you can do worse damage than downtime01:24
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jdubwinkle: apt-cache search muine, then apt-get install muine -> tell us the errors/output01:24
kensaiIt happened after I upgraded warty to hoary hedgehog01:24
ajmitchjdub: it's not like singel user mode is much different on other distros if you're doing it with init=/bin/sh :)01:24
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ajmitchhi jordi01:24
nabhowdy01:24
jdubajmitch: (sure, but most don't do that, for sensible reasons)01:24
kapputuactually both of them might be adorned with ubuntu today01:24
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Jet2k5hello01:25
kensaiwhere in ubuntu can I check thew configuration of my sound card01:25
Jet2k5I need to install the bootloader again, how would I do this from the cd?01:25
winkleseb128/jdub: it's not found, very strange01:25
stuNNedjdub, where is muine to be had?01:25
Jet2k5or is there another way?01:25
ajmitchI've had to do that when I've forgotten root passwords (test machines in uni lab)01:25
jdubstuNNed: universe01:25
hectorvsogra: what about 5.5 and 5.8 ?01:25
kapputuogra, help ?01:25
stuNNedjdub, universe of warty?01:25
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jdubactually01:25
jdubmuine is not in universe01:25
jdubit's in tseng's repository01:25
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Jet2k5anyone?01:26
kapputune1 ?01:26
stuNNedjdub, ok thanks, can you /query me that repo plz?01:26
seb128jdub: depending if we speak about warty or hoary ;)01:26
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jdubstuNNed: see the FAQ01:26
winklejdub: explains it, but why is there a directory for it when I browse the archive on the web?01:26
afv-13last question: what can you run as root without sudo asking for root password?01:26
stuNNedjdub, okie dokie smokie!01:26
afv-13*user01:26
jdubwinkle: probably because it used to be there01:26
afv-13not root01:26
winklejdub: ok01:26
kapputujdub help ?01:27
seb128winkle: it's in hoary01:27
ograhectorvs: look in section 5.5 and 5.8 in this doc: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops01:27
jdubafv-13: nothing, in the default configuration01:27
seb128winkle: not in warty01:27
afv-13ok01:27
winkleseb128: ah01:27
jdubseb128: oh yeah, good point01:27
topylijdub: let's make some time for some gnome research interview stuff. that's why i /queried you, sorry01:28
hectorvsogra: yeah i already did.. i got all of that to work... the thing is that i8k does not want to load (device not found), i have the latest bios and all01:28
jdubtopyli: what is this about? (perhaps it would be better to mail me?)01:28
jduboh01:28
jdubjuha01:28
hectorvsogra: should i forceload it?01:28
topylijdub: you know me01:28
matthewseb128: did you do the imagemagick debs...?01:28
Jet2k5ne101:28
jdubtopyli: yeah, just realised :)01:28
ograhectorvs: i guess this wouldnt work....01:29
kapputuI forgot to tell u guys01:29
topylijdub: sorry, i thought you knew :)01:29
jdubtopyli: so, email questions would be easier ;)01:29
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topylijdub: ok, it might be wiser time-wise01:29
robertjWhat new features are in Hoary now?01:29
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seb128matthew: no01:29
kapputuI was in school this morning, was in Windows since I hadn't configured my TI wireless card with Ubuntu01:29
jdubrobertj: no 'features', but it has been synced with sid01:29
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robertjoh, so just new 'breakage' ;)01:29
kapputuafter about 10 mins, I get a message saying some lsass.exe failed and the system automatically shutdown in 50 secs01:29
kapputuman was I pissed off01:30
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ograkapputu: lsass.exe01:30
seb128jdub: we have glib/gtk+ 2.5.4 in hoary, that's a feature :p01:30
kapputuconfigured my card straightaway and came back to ubuntu and life was peaceful again01:30
jdubseb128: haha01:31
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afv-13thanks for the debate01:31
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topyliseb128: wonderful! so that was the 300M download i just did? :)01:31
nate_anyone got a message like this from synaptic?01:32
nate_: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4ubuntu16_i386.deb01:32
hectorvsogra: i read a guy's experience on a dell d600 installing debian, he says he had to force =101:32
chuck_evening all01:32
seb128topyli: he he01:32
ogranate_: refresh01:32
hectorvsogra: gonna try that... hehe01:32
jdubseb128: actually, type-ahead-find in lists, and the '/' behaviour in the file-chooser are pretty good gtk+ 2.5 features ;)01:32
nate_ogra: done that a zillion times already, but I'll try again01:32
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ograhect; tell us ----01:32
Jet2k5hello?01:32
seb128jdub: yeah, but the type-ahead is kind of weird in some apps ... ie: in gossip it only finds online contacts01:33
topyliJet2k5: beep beep beep...01:33
nate_refreshed, no change, same error01:33
Jet2k5can someone help me?????01:33
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nate_51 packages to apply, all of them downloaded correctly except for that one01:33
chuck_anyone know of a typing tutor like program for ubuntu?01:33
Jet2k5is it possible to re-install the bootloader from the Ubuntu cd?01:33
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Jet2k5? ? ? ? ? ? ?01:34
Jet2k5:P01:34
zeratulhi.. i had a question, i wanted to try ubuntu out; but as soon as i get the menu for choosing the keyboard, everything is frozen :/01:34
ogranate_: i just downloaded it from the given link... works.... is your disk full ?01:34
topyliJet2k5: it should be possible if you can boot ubuntu in any way (like the cd)01:34
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Jet2k5topyli: well I tried adding some entrys in LILO and nothing happeneds01:35
chuck_zeratul it is possible the disk is bad?01:35
Jet2k5ubuntu will not boot up01:35
Jet2k5it's all screwed up01:35
topyliJet2k5: you use lilo?01:35
zeratulchuck_: maybe; but i don't think so because i am in linux on my old distro in it right now01:35
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Jet2k5no, that's what over wrote grub01:35
nofearhello01:35
LinuxJoneschuck_, tipptrainer or ktouch01:35
topyliJet2k5: ah, you need grub-update or whatever it's called01:36
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Jet2k5I run arch, and I just got kernel 2.6.9-ARCH and it needed for me to re-run lilo,  and when I did I forgot about grub, so it overwrote it01:36
Jet2k5how do I do that?01:36
topyliJet2k5: /sbin/grub-install01:37
gruberman_g'night01:37
chuck_linuxjones are those aptable?01:37
Jet2k5ok ill be bakc later01:37
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nofearhey is it possible to install vmware on ubuntu?01:37
LinuxJoneschuck_, ya if you add the universe repository01:37
zeratulchuck_: plus, do you really think its a bad hard disk; because if so why would it boot fine then just crash on the keyboard screen?01:37
chuck_precisely what do  apt?01:37
chuck_zeratul the CD might not have burned correctly01:38
nofearhey is it possible to install vmware on ubuntu?01:38
stuNNedjdub, thanks!01:38
nofeari've been having problems trying to get it to work01:38
kapputuok for a machine with 384 MB RAM what should be the size of swap ?01:39
LinuxJoneschuck_, apt-get install tipptrainer ktouch01:39
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ogranofear: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware01:40
LinuxJoneschuck_,  will get both of them but you probably only need 101:40
nofearsec going there01:40
kapputuhmm am I visible ?01:40
ograkapputu: 500M is fine01:40
nofearok been there01:41
nofearthat place didnt help me01:41
nofeari am assuming its telling me to edit /etc/init.d/vmware right?01:41
chuck_tried that and apt didnt work01:41
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topylikapputu: i can see you fine. let's scroll up and see the question :)01:41
chuck_not a huge deal just i am a bad typist01:41
nofearogra, the file you edit for that would be /etc/init.d/vmware right?01:42
zeratulchuck_: i can try reburning it; besides that; any other ideas?01:42
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chuck_how do i set up universe?01:42
Scognitohi all01:42
kapputuok I'm installing ubuntu on a desktop01:42
kapputuI have 9.4 GB free space01:42
Scognitohow can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?01:42
ogranofear: i think so.... did you remove the not_configured file01:42
nofearyep01:42
chuck_zeratul it could have been the download itself to hard to know01:42
nofearand i still get error01:42
kapputuyesterday some guys were telling me on creating seperate partitions for /home /usr etc01:42
kapputucould someone help me with that ?01:42
ogranofear: whats the error01:43
zeratulchuck_: okay; i'll check md5s if i can find some or something then01:43
zeratulchuck_: thanks01:43
nofearjust a sec01:43
chuck_:)01:43
topylikapputu: how much RAM?01:43
kapputu38401:43
topylikapputu: i would create a / and /home and swap01:43
topylithe swap being like 500M01:44
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kapputuic01:44
kapputuno seperate /usr ?01:44
topylikapputu: useless. all you need is as much space as you can get for /home, that's what counts. not the system01:44
nofearVMware Workstation Error:01:44
nofearCould not open /dev/vmmon: No such device.01:44
nofearPlease make sure that the kernel module `vmmon' is loaded.01:44
nofearPress "Enter" to continue...01:44
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kapputuok how much for / and how much for /home ?01:45
chuck_zeratul what distro were you using?01:45
ograkapputu: separate /usr can speed up a lot, but only if you got it on a different disk ;)01:45
kapputulike 4gig each ?01:45
kapputuic01:45
topylikapputu: i have a BIG debian/ubuntu bastard here and it doesn't take 4G01:45
the_tuxhi all....i installed ubuntu on my s-ata and after i can't login to root because i don't have the password...could anyone help me ?01:46
kapputubut I saw that after ubuntu installed, it occupied around 1.7 gig01:46
ogranofear: so you should try sudo modprobe vmmon01:46
kappututht's of course because there were a lot of apps that I dint want01:46
kapputuso what about 3 and 5 ?01:46
topylikapputu: i said i have a big bastard installation. you want 4G at MOST01:46
kapputui mean 3 and 601:47
paulproteusthe_tux: There is no root user.01:47
paulproteusYou must log in as yourself, and then run 'sudo bash'.01:47
topylikapputu: 3 is fine for sure01:47
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paulproteusEnter your own user's password, and you'll have a root shell.01:47
kapputuwhat do u mean by big bastard install ?01:47
nofearok sec01:47
nofearFATAL: Module vmmon not found.01:47
nofearnofear@nofear:~ $01:47
ograkapputu: lots of evil mixed debs01:47
the_tuxpaulproteus, hmm thanks so much...but you mean that i should always run that command for to become root user ?01:48
ograkapputu: make up a huge system01:48
jdubthe_tux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view01:48
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jdubpaulproteus: best to give the faq url as the answer01:48
topylikapputu: i mean all the useless stuff, lots of stuff for testing, compiling space, useless games that i forgot to uninstall...01:48
the_tuxjdub, thanks so much01:48
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amathischrist.01:48
amathisit messed up.01:48
amathisit could not fine a file when it tried to install base system01:48
ogranofear: so you need the module... i never used vmware, but i guess you need to compile it .....01:48
amathisI checked the md5sums.01:48
amathisand they match01:48
nofearya.. humm01:49
amathiswhere can I get a net install?01:49
nofearlol01:49
nofeari dont know then...01:49
nofear:|01:49
Matt|does anyone work with acpi??01:50
topylijdub: you would know and help kapputu: how much space does a ubuntu default install take? i'm trying to tell him to make a small root and a big home01:50
kapputuhmm it's slow01:50
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amathisMatt| Where is a net install?01:50
kapputuit was faster on my friend's PII-40001:50
jdubabout 1.3G01:50
Matt|i have had my laptop without ac power for 10 minutes now and it is still reporting matt@kallisto:~ $ acpi01:50
Matt|     Battery 1: charged, 100%01:50
jdubeasier to just create one big partition01:50
kapputuhope the cd is not damaged01:50
kapputuor scratchy01:50
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mojo_hi all ppl!01:51
kapputuhi mojo_01:51
kapputuwhat's up dude01:51
LinuxJonesmojo_, hiya01:51
mojo_nice to see that Hoary respo is on, lots of updates ^o^01:51
topylijdub: no it's not. you might be a newbie who changes systems all the time to find the perfect one, and wants to save /home during experiments01:51
amathishello?01:51
jdubtopyli: doesn't sound like a newbie to me :)01:52
amathisplease, I am without a system ATM.01:52
nate_ogra: re cupsys, no, disk isn't full, I have 12 GB free, and I too am able to download the package from that url via a web browser - but both synaptic and apt-get report 'bad header line' when they try to fetch it01:52
kapputuwhat's ATM ?01:52
amathisdoes anyone know where I can find a net install?01:52
amathisAt the Moment01:52
Matt|at the moment01:52
topylijdub: ok, sounds more like me :)01:52
Matt|amathis, sorry no idea01:52
amathisdangit,.01:52
amathiswell now I am screwed.01:52
LinuxJonesamathis, what file was not found on the cd ?01:52
nofearogra, i found the mod01:53
nate_is there any way to manually insert a .deb into the apt cache?01:53
ogranate_: drop the downloaded package in /var/cache/apt/archives01:53
amathisLinuxJones, some utility..01:53
nate_ogra: done that, makes no difference01:53
amathisLinuxJones, I don't remember.01:53
nofearnot sure how to compile it01:53
kapputusomeone please give ogra a hand01:53
Matt|can anyone help me with ACPI?01:53
amathisI was hoping a net install would find it.01:53
nate_apt-get still thinks it needs to download it, and fails01:53
kapputuhe is handling atleast 3 ppl at the same time01:53
Scognitoi retry..01:53
Scognitohow can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?01:53
GotD0thow bad would it be if i were to force my CRT into a higher refresh rate?01:53
ograkapputu: lol, i get used to this *g*01:53
amathisLinuxJones, do you know where a net install is?01:53
ogranofear: binary ?01:53
topylikapputu: did you hear jdub's sage advice while he disagreed with me? just make one big paritition :)01:53
kapputuhey GotD0t01:54
amathis.. the docs say that there is a net install available but I cannot find it.01:54
GotD0thi01:54
kapputuno I din't01:54
nofearit came with vmware its called vmmon.tar01:54
kapputui have been doing that all the while01:54
nofearit unzips to vmmon-only01:54
kapputui'll have two partitions for a change01:54
LinuxJonesamathis, If you have a good md5 sum on the image you downloaded it is probably a bad cd that you burned it to. Can you easily re-burn the Ubuntu image ?01:54
ogranofear: a dir ?01:54
nofearyeah01:54
mojo_ah01:54
mojo_I have a question01:54
stuNNedkapputu, how goes?01:54
amathisLinuxJones, sure.,01:54
kapputuu mean the install ?01:55
ogranate_: did you copy it with sudo ?01:55
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LinuxJonesamathis, your disk is bad I am 99% sure :)01:55
mojo_how to use Archive Mamnager with rar? (got rar installed already)01:55
ogranofear: whats in it ?01:55
nate_ogra: yes, I did01:55
nofearroot@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only # ls01:55
nofearautoconf       linux            README       vmmon.o01:55
nofearcommon         Makefile         vmmon.ko01:55
nofeargetversion.pl  Makefile.kernel  vmmon.mod.c01:55
nofearinclude        Makefile.normal  vmmon.mod.o01:55
nofearroot@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only #01:55
kapputua quick ques, is vmware free ?01:55
ogranofear: README !01:55
ograkapputu: nope01:56
topylikapputu: dream on :)01:56
kapputulol01:56
nate_wait... maybe I grabbed the cupsys-client instead of cupsys01:56
nofearogra, it just says run make01:56
kapputui knew, but asked just in case you guys had come up with something :-)01:56
topylikapputu: buy an old PC and install windows on it. use it over VNC01:56
nofeari did make it compiled no errors01:56
kapputubrb01:56
nofearbut i still get error with vmware01:56
topylikapputu: cheaper :)01:57
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nofearand that mobprobe vmmon says the same thing01:57
mojo_can someone help me? I can't make Archive Manager working with rar file even I've already installed rar01:57
cardadormojo_: have you installed rar-nonfree?01:57
nate_aha, I did01:57
nofeardo i need reboot01:58
matthewanyone know how to autodetect/browse CUPS print queues over the network?01:58
rileyi saw on some website that dd was used to make an iso w/o mounting a cd drive, but when i try it it only writes 1.5MB and then says I/O error... Am I using the wrong command or is there some switch I should be using or what?01:58
ogranofear: dunno, but are you sure make compiled ?01:58
topylimojo_: open a terminal and see if you have unrar, type 'which unrar'01:58
nofearBuilding for VMware Workstation 4.0.x.01:59
nofearUsing 2.6.x kernel build system.01:59
nofearcp -f vmmon.ko ./../vmmon.o01:59
nofearroot@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only #01:59
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Matt|ok I have now had my laptop off AC power for nearly 30 minutes and I am still getting "Battery 1: charged, 100%" from acpi. What is going on? I would really appreciate someone explaining this to me!!!02:00
ogranofear: thats all ?02:00
nofearyeah02:00
nofearhodl a sec ill make clean it and redo it how u everything02:00
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topyliMatt|: that's lovely! i'd like a laptop like that =)02:01
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pthelp!!!!!!02:01
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Se7hback with updated sys02:01
nofearnvm it gave me a bunch of errors now02:01
paulproteuspt: Do you have a question?02:01
nofear*** Warning: "_exit" [/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.ko]  undefined!02:01
nofear  CC      /home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.mod.o02:01
nofear  LD [M]   /home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.ko02:01
nofearmake[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-header02:01
ptyes02:01
paulproteusThen ask it. ;)02:01
pti have a terminal window up02:01
Matt|topyli, you know what is going on? My laptop has crap battery life lol02:01
pti want to config my video card what is a way to do it from there02:02
LinuxJonesnofear, your killing me with your flooding please stop02:02
ogranofear: youll need build-essential and your kernel headers installe to compile this02:02
ptit didnt let me configure it from install02:02
topyliMatt|: no. i never carry laptops around, they're enslaving. i find computers and find my home box through the network :)02:03
nofearoh heck i wouldnt know how to do that02:03
rileyIs dd if=<cddrive> of=cd.iso the correct command to write an iso from a cd drive? Is there something else I could use instead?02:03
nofearevery time i mess with the kernel i screw my system up rorally02:03
ptany ideas?02:03
Matt|i need somebody who works with acpi to help me out :(02:03
ptmatt go in bios and disable it02:03
pt:)02:04
ogranofear: user synaptic ;) look for "build essential" and "linux-headers" corresponding to your version02:04
topyliMatt|: throw it away! you have a philosophical problem, not a technical one =)02:04
ptis there a way to get to video config from a terminal screen02:04
nofearok brb ina  while then02:04
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paulproteuspt: Like by running xdpyinfo?02:05
Matt|weirdo02:06
ptpaulproteus what does this do?02:06
paulproteusIt shows you information about your X DisPlaY02:06
paulproteus.02:06
ptunable to open display02:06
altanis there a way to get to video config from a terminal screen <--- XF86Config or XConfigurator02:07
LinuxJonesaltan, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:07
paulproteuspt: Ah, you have to be running X, the graphical desktop that comes with Ubuntu, to use xdpyinfo.02:07
amathisdangit02:08
amathisI re burnt it.02:08
ptthats what i am trying to do config after the fact02:08
amathisand it cannot find libcap102:08
amathisLinuxJones, could it be that I am burning it too fasT?02:08
amathisit is 48x burner..02:08
amathisLinuxJones, it cannot find libcap1.02:08
LinuxJonesamathis, 48 is pretty fast but you should be ok. Might not hurt to drop writing speed just incase your media is like super cheap :)02:10
altanyou should re-enable burn proof02:10
amathisthis is making me mad.. I have never had a problem like this before02:10
amathiscould someone give me a link to the net install talked about in the docs?02:11
amathisI cannot for the life of me find it.02:11
altanamathis, gconf > apps > nautilus-cd-burner > burnproof (enable)02:11
amathisaltan, I use k3b.02:11
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altanah02:11
jchilleruphi02:11
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LinuxJonesamathis, what is the link to the netinstall reference, I didn't know there was one02:12
ptaltan02:12
jchillerupIs it possible to install a PCMCIA Wireless Networking card at installation, and fetch packages from the net?02:12
pthow do i get that command to run02:13
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rviranihey all02:13
rviranianyone good with PPC?02:13
jchillerupA little02:13
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rviranimy right click aint working, YES F11, F12 dont work02:13
jchillerupHmm02:13
jchillerupThere is no rightclick on a mac02:13
jchillerupThere is only one button02:13
altanuh you should probably do sudo xconfigurator or sudo xf86config, but if it's just one setting, LinuxJones is right, just sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:14
rviranijchillerup, lol02:14
rviranijchillerup, I know that!02:14
amathisA netboot install is also available, but for now it is outside the scope of this document.02:14
amathishttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i38602:14
altanjchillerup he can get another mouse :P02:14
rviranijchillerup, nm02:14
rviraniI have an ibook02:14
rvirani'there is a way to map keys but showkeys returns hex values02:14
amathisLinuxJones, ^^02:15
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jchilleruphmm02:16
jchillerupASk in the forums02:16
amathisheh..02:16
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ptman oh man02:16
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socommForums?02:16
jchillerupTo repeat my question: Is it possible to setup your wireless pcmcia card at install02:16
amathisseeming how I don't have a computer atm.02:16
ptlotta stuff02:16
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jchillerupppc forums02:16
ptlol02:16
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socommjchillerup: yes it is possible.02:17
ptany ideas on what to change?02:17
mojo_toploly: unrar command work, /usr/local/bin/unrar02:17
rileyI'm having problems with the dd command... where can I go for this?02:17
jchillerupsocomm > how02:17
jchillerupIt has started copying files to the harddisk02:18
socommjchillerup: you'll need to mess some of the init scripts.02:18
jchillerupargh02:18
jchillerupI haven't done that02:18
jchillerupHmm... I'm gonna make it work as soon as it's installed02:18
socommjchillerup: good luck.02:18
jchillerupThank you02:18
jchillerupI think I'll stay here :D02:19
max_dell laptop, sound does not work...volume control says I have no mixer nand or devices found02:19
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socommmax_: you may have to load your audio cards driver by hand.02:20
jchillerupargh.. Dell laptop - the framebuffer fucks up :S02:20
jchillerupI did it without02:20
jchillerup:] 02:20
jchillerupI certainly hope it will work as it's installed02:21
jchillerup67%02:21
schweebmax_: you have to unload parport, lp, and parport_pc02:21
schweeband be sure they don't get loaded again02:21
schweebthe sound card and the parport modules all want to hog IRQ702:21
max_how do I do this02:21
rviranimax_, rmmod as root02:22
rvirani?02:22
ogra_max_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops look at section 5.802:22
schweebyou'll have to blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and /etc/discover.conf02:22
jchillerupWhich of these is the better: GRUB/LILO?02:22
schweebgrub, generally02:22
jchillerupok02:22
socommDell laptops suck, if I had the money I'd get a ThinkPad.02:22
ogra_max_: the acpi_irq_isa=7 should apply to you02:22
altanwhat package do i need to insatll to unrar rar files? GNOME recognizes them but can't unrar them02:23
jchillerupsocomm > I do not agree02:23
altanI searched synaptic for RAR and got nothing relevant02:23
socommaltan: http:www.google.com02:23
socommaltan: rar has linux binaries which you can install by hand.02:23
altanagh, nothing in apt/synaptic though?02:23
matthewmax_: what sound module...?02:24
socommaltan: if I recall correctly, no.02:24
ogra_altan: enabled universe/mutiverse ?02:24
schweebrar-2.80 - Archiver for .rar files02:24
schweeb^^^^^^02:24
altanI think so, I got everything checked in the repositories02:25
brettcaraltan: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions02:25
brettcaraltan: The answer is in there.02:25
tolstoy_mx.DateTime module not found.  Hm.  Which of the billion python packages has that?02:25
limaunionhi, I'm having some trouble with mplayer, I'm getting the following message: alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory, any ideas? that file exists under /dev02:25
ogra_altan: unrar is in multiverse02:25
rviranianyone?02:25
altanhmm, let me reload02:26
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tolstoy_python=egenix-mxdatetime doesn't seem acceptable to psycopg2.  weird.02:26
ogra_altan: called unrar-nonfree02:26
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socommlimaunion: do you have an entry `/dev/mixer' under /dev?02:26
socommlimaunion: nevermind.02:27
max_matthew: 82801ca/cam ac'97 audiio conroller02:27
tolstoy_ah. egenix-dev. ;)02:27
limaunionsocomm: sure: crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   0 Oct 29 19:35 /dev/mixer02:27
socommlimaunion: is the also sound stuff up?02:28
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socomms/also/alsa02:28
matthewmax_: just wondering02:28
ogra_max: did you read the website ?02:28
ogra_oh02:28
socommlimaunion: you probably got oss up or something, you can specify the driver with `mplayer -ao driver movie.mpg'.02:29
limaunionsocomm: let me check that02:29
ptok dumb question02:29
socommlimaunion: list the available drivers with `mplayer -ao help'.02:29
kensaiOk I lost sound in ubuntu's applications should I reinstall ubuntu? This happened after upgrading from warty to hoary02:29
pthow do i log in as root thru putty02:29
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brettcarpt: You can't02:29
socommpt: su maybe?02:29
matthewpt: short answer, don't02:29
ogra_kensai: youre sure you know what youre doing ?02:30
brettcarpt: Log in as your regular user, then use 'sudo', or if you need a root shell, 'sudo -s'02:30
socommpt: probably not a good idea though.02:30
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pthey02:30
ptif i cant get it up whats it going to hurt02:30
ptfresh install02:30
pti cant get video working02:30
kensaiogra_: I don't know02:31
matthewpt: if you insist, enable root user (see wiki) and then edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to enable root login02:31
kensaiI have lots of data that will be lost02:31
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limaunionsocomm: thanks! will try later your suggestion02:31
ptmatthew it want let me on the linux box02:31
kensaiI just lost sound in games and apps but ubuntu's sound theme in gnome works02:31
ogra_kensai: hoary is not for enduser usage yet... and it will probably break heavy the next time02:32
ptso su no good02:32
socommkensai: reinstalling an OS usually isn't a good solution for any problem. Try trouble shooting, it's a good opportunity to learn something.02:32
matthewpt: you can't ssh in as root then02:32
kensaitrouble shooting?02:32
socommpt: sudo -s02:32
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ptor on the linux box itsself02:32
ptk02:32
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ptahhhh02:32
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pttanx02:33
ogra_jdub: are there downgrade instructions hoary->warty ?02:33
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jdubooof02:34
jdubdude02:34
ogra_jdub: kensai ....02:34
kensaiyep02:34
jduboh02:34
jdubright02:34
jdubkensai: that was a very silly thing to do *spank*spank* i suggest reinstalling02:34
kensaiLOL what I feared02:34
ogra_jdub: its possible, i read something on debianplanet ....02:35
kensaithere may be a broken package in hoary02:35
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cardadori upgraded to hoary, and still can play my games with sound02:35
ogra_jdub: i'll exmine it, i thik we'll see this more often ;)02:35
jdubit is possible, but it's not easy, and it's not really all that useful02:35
kensaimy volume control center does not list my via ac '97 card anymore02:35
jdubogra_: no, the right answer is "reinstall"02:36
ogra_jdub: ok02:36
jdubwe should not be encouraging upgrades to the DEVELOPMENT BRANCH for random users who want 'new stuff'02:36
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brettcarAye02:36
ptok it picked up my video02:37
ogra_kensai: why did you upgrade ?02:37
ajmitchhow is hoary compared to sid at the moment?02:37
ptis there any reason why it will not show on monitor02:37
kensaiJust for having the latest thats funny02:37
jdubkensai: it's probably just a matter of a driver not being loaded, independent of hoary or warty02:37
jdubajmitch: pretty close, we still have some merging to do02:37
tolstoy_when start/stopping postgres as root, it says, "do this as process user", when doing same as "postgres," says must be root.  Is this a bug worth reporting?02:37
kensaiwhere should I check the drivers thing?02:38
brettcarjdub: We could probably assist them in adding a single package from hoary if they need it, at their own risk.02:38
jdubbrettcar: that's not useful to anyone02:38
jdubbrettcar: if something goes wrong, we can't help them02:38
jdubif they're using warty packages only, we can. if they're using hoary packages only, we can.02:38
jdubif they're mixing (read: mucking) up their system without really knowing what they're doing, we can't. :)02:39
kensaimy sound card it's listed in the device manager so I don't know why this happened02:39
brettcarjdub: I suppose so :)02:39
jdubkensai: that doesn't mean the driver is loaded02:39
kensaiI'm just frustrated so don't pay attention to me LOL02:40
kensaishould I put the output of the error?02:40
kensaixmms says I should check my sound card configuration02:41
kensaiand gaming says this:02:41
kensaiopen /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable02:42
kensaiXlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".02:42
jdubthe X error doesn't matter02:42
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jdubis there an esd process running?02:42
kensai?02:42
jdubis esd running?02:42
ogra_kan: ps ax|grep esd02:42
kensaidon't understand newbie here <-----02:43
pti am 5 min new02:43
ptnewbie<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<02:43
kensaiwhat is esd and how I check?02:43
ogra_kent: copy n paste what i wrote in a terminal02:43
pthighlight02:43
ptthen right click where to paste02:44
ogra_kensai: if you get output its running02:44
kensaiopen /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable02:44
kensaithis is the problem I think ^^^^02:45
ptwell i am stuck02:45
ptall i can get is a bash termianl02:45
ptno video02:45
ogra_kensai: open a terminal, type: ps ax| grep esd02:45
ptdoes recognize my video card in kerna;02:45
ogra_kensai: to see if esd is running and blocking the device02:46
ptbut will not display on monnitor02:46
kensai 4398 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps02:46
kensai 5257 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep esd02:46
ogra_k02:46
stuNNedis there a way to open in tabs by default and opening them in the background from an external link?02:46
ptany ideas?02:46
ogra_kensai: set the output of xmms to esd in the settings02:46
mirak_stunned, try scroll wheel02:47
kensaiogra_: in english please02:47
stuNNedmirak_, external link like in blam!02:47
ogra_kensai: open the settings of xmms02:47
ogra_kensai: select the esd output plugin02:47
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jchillerupAhem.. What is my root password when i've not defined any?02:48
ogra_kensai: i'm flying blind here, havent used xmms since years02:48
mirak_stunned, sorry.....havent used it, but maybe try right clicking on the link?02:48
jchillerupI wan't asked at install02:48
kensaiOka02:48
ogra_kensai: you'll have to find the options yourself02:48
mirak_jchillerup, your user pass for sudo02:48
ogra_jchillerup: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:49
kensaibut the problem is not xmms that much is my games02:49
mirak_OGRA BOT02:49
kensai:-(02:49
ogra_mirak_: *g*02:49
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netdurhow to know if there updates (security and so) should apply?02:49
mirak_what is *g*?02:49
Se7herg02:49
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ogra_mirak_: grinning ?02:50
Se7hdoes anyone knows why cant i see some of my files02:50
Se7hi mean02:50
Se7hthey're like ghosts02:50
max_sound card dell laptop; where do I specify this   pci=noacpi02:50
Se7hthe're there02:50
Se7hbut i cant open them02:50
mirak_ogra, kk :)02:50
stuNNedmirak_, i.e. in galeon, one could `galeon -n --noraise` and it would open when clicked on external link in a new tab in the background, not brining the browser to the forefront02:50
Se7hand when i right-click 'em they just disapear02:50
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Se7hcan someone help me?02:51
kensaiogra_: Thanks a lot for your helping I will just reinstall, Thanks again02:51
stuNNedmirak_, thanks anyways :)02:51
calcSe7h: perhaps you don't have read permission on the files?02:52
ogra_kensai: probably the best to do :)02:52
Se7hcalc, odd but possible02:52
Se7hle'me check02:52
kensaiLOL I can't wait to put my hands on hoary again LOL02:52
ogra_max_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops in section 5.8 is a description how to add boot options02:53
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kensaiI upgraded to hoary cause I dont see much upgrade on warty02:54
jchillerupHmm.. Next problem: Where do I start, if I want to use wireless networking02:54
Se7haaah02:54
Se7hhow dumb lol02:54
ogra_kensai: so you should be happy, everything is stable02:54
Se7hthanks calc02:54
sidneyim trying to mount an ftp server with gnomevfs but when I do the folder gets put on the desktop. Is there any way to put it elsewhere?02:55
kensaiogra_: your right very right02:55
kensaiogra_: I just learned it the hard way02:55
ogra_kensai: we all did... once02:56
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kensaibut now I saw hoary shows some promises it auto mounts my usb and cd02:56
ogra_kensai: warty didnt for you  ??02:57
kensainope02:57
ogra_kensai: it should....02:58
kensaiusb flash drive is sda in warty02:58
kensaiand it is supposed to be sda102:58
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Scognitohow can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?02:58
Scognitohello02:58
befuddledHello02:58
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befuddledWondering if anyone could help an install issue with debootstrap02:59
befuddledduring Ubuntu install.02:59
LinuxJonesScognito, it's probably enabled by default02:59
ScognitoLinuxJones, it doesn't02:59
LinuxJonesScognito, lsmod | grep fb02:59
LinuxJonesScognito, nothing shows up ?03:00
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Scognitovesafb                  6560  003:00
Scognitocfbcopyarea             3712  1 vesafb03:00
Scognitocfbimgblt               3072  1 vesafb03:00
Scognitocfbfillrect             3616  1 vesafb03:00
Scognitowhy fbset doesn't work03:00
MarcNanyone upgraded to the hoary bleeding edge?  How did it go?03:00
ogra_LOL03:00
LinuxJonesScognito, you xserver is not set-up correctly03:00
LinuxJonesScognito, do you have a Nvidia or ATI card ?03:00
Scognitofor now i'm using nvidia03:01
Scognitowhy X03:01
deweyMarcN: you try it and let us know what breaks :)03:01
ogra_Scognito: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto03:01
LinuxJonesScognito, ogra (bot) what is that binary howto link ?03:01
Scognitoogra_, i've nvidia 3d ok03:01
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LinuxJonesogra_, omg you even beat me to aht03:01
befuddledAnyone have any issues with debootstrap while installing Ubuntu? It keeps failing on me.03:01
MarcNdewey, well, i just fired off a    trickle -d 15 apt-get dist-upgrade03:01
LinuxJoneser that03:01
mirak_ogra is unbeatable03:02
MarcNi need 180M from the archives.  should have done this at work.03:02
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LinuxJonesogra-bot V 0.1 is online :)03:02
mirak_hahaha03:02
deweyMarcN: did you change all you sources to hoary?03:02
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ubuntu_legendhow does on change their sources to hoary?03:03
ogra_;)03:03
Se7hok03:03
Se7hjust one more thing drivin me nuts03:04
ogra_reminder HOARY IS UNSTABLE reminder03:04
befuddledOh well... I guess I'll just keep beating my head against the monitor until I get it working.03:04
mirak_lol03:04
Se7hi erased 2 partitions (15gb 5gb)03:04
Scognitoso is there a way to enable fb?03:04
deweyhoary is alpha and unstable :)03:04
Se7hand created one of 20gb03:04
Scognitoi've rececked the howto03:04
Se7hwhen i mount it03:04
Se7hit only gives me 1503:04
Scognitoit doens't speaks about fb03:04
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amathisok, everything is working :D03:05
amathisnow, how do I get root?03:05
LinuxJonesScognito, Xwindows is working for you ok or no ?03:05
Scognitook03:05
Scognitobut why X, the problem is fb03:05
ogra_amathis: you cant03:05
LinuxJonesScognito, that is weird you should have it since the modules are loaded03:06
Se7hi doint get it03:06
amathisogra_, then how do I do anything??03:06
Scognitostrnage03:06
Scognitobtw cannot i disable devfs03:06
pthey guys you can get back into the xfree config from terminal03:06
Se7hhelp me when u can03:06
MarcNogra_, that is okay, this isn't my main system.03:06
ogra_amathis: 403:07
ogra_amathis: 303:07
ogra_amathis: 203:07
MarcNdewey, yeah03:07
ogra_amathis: 103:07
ogra_amathis: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:07
ogra_yay bot with countdown03:07
ubuntu_legendhow do i enable hoary repositories?03:07
ogra_reminder HOARY IS UNSTABLE reminder03:07
MarcNubuntu_legend, replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in sources.list03:08
ubuntu_legendso is windows and millions use it daily ;)03:08
ptguys i done it03:08
ptthank you so much03:08
MarcNwoot! 3% done of download...03:08
ptfor all your help03:08
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ogra_ubuntu-geek: windows is broken by accident.... hoary is wanted to break03:08
MarcNtrickle is nice if you are sharing a dsl and don't want the wife to get cranky03:08
ogra_* ubuntu_legend03:09
amathishrm..03:09
amathisI want to enable su, so 'sudo passwd root'03:09
amathisbut it asks for password..03:09
ogra_ubuntu_legend: its in development03:09
amathisbut there is no password.03:09
ubuntu_legendi looked at the changes and right now i dont see a reason to switch03:09
MarcNamathis, *your* password03:09
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amathisok, here is my problem.03:10
jdubamathis: why do you want to enable the root password?03:11
amathisjdub, my preference.03:11
amathisI saved my old /home partition..03:11
amathisand partitioned around it..03:11
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amathishow can I make /home/aaron use the partition that was /home ?03:11
MarcNso how do you pronounce hoary?03:11
magnonwhorey03:12
magnon:P03:12
ogra_amathis: first lock root again....03:12
jdubMarcN: like core-y with an h03:12
amathisogra_, why?03:12
ogra_amathis: you wont be happy with it.... most of the desktop based config tools use sudo anyway03:12
amathisugh.03:13
amathisok.03:13
ogra_amathis: you can do everything you want with sudo on the commandline..... no use for root03:13
MarcNjdub, which is different how from whore-y?03:13
amathisok ogra_ done.03:14
ogra_amathis: yout home partition, which device is it ?03:14
ogra_yourr03:14
amathisI don't know yet..03:15
amathisogra_, actually, I have changed my mind..03:15
ogra_oh03:15
amathisogra_, I want to mount my old partition03:15
amathisand move the old files to my server03:15
amathishow can I mount it??03:15
amathisI tried mounting /dev/hda3 /mnt03:15
jdubMarcN: in pronounciation, none. :)03:15
ogra_amathis: sudo mount /dev/hda3 /mnt  ?03:16
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jason_Does anybody have XMMS working?03:16
amathisogra_, I did that03:16
amathisbut evidentally that is not right one..03:16
ogra_k03:16
amathishmm03:16
amathisaaron@ix:/mnt $  sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt03:16
amathismount: error while guessing filesystem type03:16
amathismount: you must specify the filesystem type03:16
ogra_amathis: sudo fdisk -l03:17
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Dethreadjason, XMMS working just fine here03:17
amathisit is hda403:17
amathisbut I cannot mount it..03:17
amathisoops03:17
amathiswait03:17
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jason_xmms crashes when I try to run it03:18
monteiroi've installed java 1.5 but when i do export javapath and changed the /etc/profile or the /etc/environment , it don't work :(( the export only works in one terminal , but when i close it don't , anyone knows how to solve it ?03:18
jason_libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:18
jason_Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!03:18
amathisSWEET!03:18
amathisogra_, thanks03:18
ogra_amathis: ;)03:18
LinuxJonesjason_, install libmikmod203:18
jason_k03:19
amathisogra_, no up arrow key on command line?03:19
jason_thanks it works03:19
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mojo_anyone know are there any program do same thing like dos2unix command?03:19
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kapputuhi all03:20
stuNNedhi03:20
LinuxJonesmojo_, what does it do ?03:20
ogra_amathis: normally yes03:20
jason_Does anybody have any good looking XMMS skins?03:20
Lathiatmojo_: Well vim can do conversions internally03:20
ogra_LinuxJones: changes linebreaks03:20
LinuxJonesjason_, rythumbox much better than xmms03:20
Lathiatsed 's/$/^V^M/g' heh03:21
kapputuoh I'm still online ?03:21
kapputuok I had to go out03:21
LinuxJonesjason_, err rythmbox03:21
kapputumy desktop1 is also ubuntised03:21
stuNNedLinuxJones, rb dies on me w/large mp3 files folder03:21
stuNNedLinuxJones, importing, that is03:21
LathiatLinuxJones: *rhythm* :P03:21
ogra_stuNNed: any jpegs in there ?03:21
mojo_Lathiat: how???03:21
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LinuxJonesLathiat, I am having a few pops :P03:21
kapputuok my desktop doesn't recognize my laptop03:22
stuNNedogra_, not sure don't think so though, all 100% mp3 (due to dell dj compatability)03:22
Lathiatmojo_: cat blah.txt | sed 's/^V^M//g' > blah2.txt might work :P, wonderwhere dos2unix comes from03:22
kapputuwhat do I need to setup ?03:23
kapputuboth of them are ubuntus03:23
mojo_dos2unix prob came from Unix BSD03:23
ogra_stuNNed: running rhythmbox on a nfs mounted folder (4G) works fine for me (but importing takes ages....)03:24
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stuNNedogra_, whoa....03:24
stuNNedogra_, double whoa....03:24
kapputuogra, how do I recognize my deskutu ?03:25
stuNNedogra_, turns out had some mp3s with '...' in beginning of name and they were owned by root since when i used gnomad2 couldn't transfer as normal user, only root, know about any usb hotplug issues and normal user?03:25
kapputuI'm going to name my laptop as lapputu and desktop as deskutu03:25
ogra_stuNNed: nope03:25
stuNNedkapputu, how is your exp with ubuntu on laptop?03:26
kapputugreat !!03:26
stuNNedogra_, thanks man!03:26
kapputueven after a reinstall03:26
Poyayansame here03:26
stuNNedkapputu, power management... ?03:26
kapputuhmm sorta03:26
Poyayanwell apart from nvidia's driver everything is great03:26
stuNNedPoyayan, for real?03:26
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Poyayanyeah03:26
ogra_night all ;)03:26
stuNNedogra_, thanks again, night!03:26
kapputuwhat happened was, the battery died03:26
kapputuby ogra03:26
kapputubye ogra03:26
stuNNedPoyayan, how about power management for you?03:26
PoyayanI have a toshiba so all I had to do was add toshiba and toshiba_acpi to the modules file03:27
Poyayanit's good03:27
kapputuand when it came back on, my shell history was there and there is also a mozilla running03:27
stuNNedPoyayan, saw something about laptop-detect in ubuntu install...03:27
Poyayanthe cpu got to 1.2 Ghz when I'm not doing anything and jumps to 2.4 when it needs to03:27
PoyayanI have no idea what laptop-detect is03:28
kapputusomeone was saying something in the morning taht we had to install some packages03:28
stuNNedPoyayan, kapputu: thanks for the info :)03:28
Poyayanok laptop-mode is power management software03:28
Poyayanit reduces disk usage to reduce power consumption03:29
Poyayanlaptop-detect attempts to determine whether the computer is a laptop or desktop03:29
Poyayanas to what it does with that information I'm quite clueless03:29
kapputucatch hold of Nafallo, he was telling me something about laptop power management03:30
mdzPoyayan: it's used to improve the accuracy of various hardware detection routines03:30
kapputuit's not fully supported I guess03:31
stuNNedkapputu, ok03:31
Poyayanah ok so it's not related to power-management then03:31
mdze.g., if you're on a laptop, you most likely have an LCD03:31
Poyayando you have an nvidia card stunned?03:31
kapputumdz, I have a deskutu (desktop ) and a laputu (laptop)03:31
stuNNedPoyayan, yes03:31
timothy_If so, see if you can coax it to reveal its secret activities!03:32
stuNNedPoyayan, but on laptop i can settle for nv driver if that's the issue03:32
Poyayanok then I suggest you use the nv driver03:32
kapputuhow do I see my deskutu from the laputu on the network ?03:32
stuNNedPoyayan, doh! :)03:32
Poyayanthe current nvidia driver for linux is messed03:32
Poyayanit causes random flicking03:32
kapputuany links on setting up the network ??03:32
Poyayanof course if you change your resolution everytime you go into X then it doesn't do that03:33
ubllAnyone know if Full Duplex sound is supported natively in Ubuntu/Linux?03:33
mdzubll: yes03:33
Lathiatubll: well, depends on your soundcard, but yes03:33
mdzassuming your hardware supports it03:33
Poyayanbut personally it's too much of a pain to set my resolution down then back up each time I boot into linux03:33
ubllOk, cool03:33
stuNNedPoyayan, with gnome-display-properties can't you set it and forget it?03:34
ubllCan I make it so I can listen to an MP3 and still hear the sounds of IM's being recieved or a movie's audio track at the same time?03:34
Pizbitubll: Either by setting each program to use esd, or setup dmix and set them all to use alsa03:34
mdzubll: it is set up that way by default03:34
mdzusing esd03:35
Pizbitesd is mostlikely setup that way03:35
Pizbiter, already03:35
ubllATM XMMS is using OSS03:35
jason_Rythembox wont load all my songs in my music directory03:35
Pizbitubll: OSS emulation most likely03:35
kapputuok mdz do I ask too many questions ?03:35
ubllAh, I see.03:35
jason_it will only load the files in the root of the dir03:35
ubllWell, when I'm playing MP3's in XMMS I cant hear any other sounds03:36
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mdzkapputu: your question does not have a straightforward answer03:36
Lathiatubll: Make sure XMMS is setup to use ESD03:36
mdznot that I saw it anyway03:36
Poyayanno stunned shamefully you can't03:37
ubllESD. I'll look into it. Thank you Lathiat03:37
Poyayanof course you could just deal with the random flickering03:37
kapputuok guys if I'm being a pest you can let me know03:37
Poyayanpersonally though I would just use the nv driver until nvidia releases a better driver03:38
kapputuI'm just too excited about this OS03:38
Poyayannp03:38
Poyayanit's a good os03:38
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mdzI think so ;-)03:38
timothy_My problem with rhythymbox is that I am fussy and fickle about the organization of my files in general and music in particular. So I find it a little weird to import a folder and leave the organization to the player app. Same thing I don't like about iTunes on OS X.03:38
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kapputuhmm that's bad03:38
Poyayanfirst linux distro I've used for more than 6 hours other than slackware (ever since I installed slackware the first time that is)03:38
timothy_I might decide to move my 80s compilations into a folder of 80s music in gernal rather than in the compilations folder, for instance.03:39
Poyayanof course I've been running Ubuntu for over a week03:39
ubllAnyone fully switched to Linux here?03:39
Poyayanas in just have linux?03:39
tolstoy_does php4 require apache 1.3?03:39
ubllYes.03:39
PoyayanI did03:39
monteirowhat is better reiserfs or ext3 ?03:39
tolstoy_drat!03:39
kapputuI have it on my laptop and desktop 103:39
mdztolstoy: no, install libapache2-mod-php403:39
ubllHas it been working out well for you?03:39
kapputuI'm going to install it on my other desktop too03:39
tolstoy_mdz, ah, okay.03:40
kapputubut that's going to be a server03:40
Poyayanreiserfs is better in general monteiro03:40
LinuxJonesubll, since 2000 :)03:40
mdzmonteiro: they have different strengths and weaknesses03:40
ubllNice :)03:40
LinuxJoneser 200003:40
Poyayanhowever it uses more of your processor03:40
kapputumdz I solved the problem03:40
monteiroPoyayan : i've a 5400rpm disk with 20GB but this rans 20mg/s :(03:40
mdzgreat03:40
Poyayananyway it has worked well ubll03:40
monteiromdz : true03:40
ubllCool, I'm glad to hear it.03:41
Poyayanhowever every now and then I need to reinstall windows for a class03:41
ubllI'm thinking strongly about taking the plunge.03:41
ubllI'm a dirty dual-booter :)03:41
Poyayanbut it gets promptly removed as soon as the class is over :)03:41
ublllol03:41
kapputunow I'm going to mount those smbfs drives on both the machines03:41
Poyayanhey monteiro do you have lots of little files?03:42
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Poyayanor mainly video files?03:42
kapputuI can't wait to get linux at work03:42
LinuxJonesubll, just do it, you will not regret it and you will learn alot about how computers work in general :)03:42
kapputuI need to know one thing03:42
jason_once you learn enough about linux you won't want to go back03:43
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kapputuhow do I share my folders ?03:43
jason_over network?03:43
kapputuyes03:43
jason_xfs03:43
PoyayanI must say though I'm having a hard time trying to figure out where to change settings in Ubuntu03:43
ubllLinuxJones: I might do it.03:43
kapputuwhat settings Poyayan ?03:43
jason_or Samba if it is with a Windows machine03:43
stuNNedif i use ms word .docs and .xls documents heavily for work, and all others at work use ms office, what is the best compatible linux solution?03:43
Poyayanslackware seems to be more organized when it comes to /etc files03:43
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kapputuxfs ??03:44
kapputuno both are ubuntus03:44
LinuxJonesubll, dont' ponder it, jsut go ahead and do it :D03:44
Poyayanxfs is fast03:44
jason_OpenOffice.org or Koffice stuNNed and maybe gedit for txt03:44
Poyayanxfs is probably the best in performance right now03:44
ubllafk a few mins03:44
Poyayanhowever it's also the least stable03:44
kapputubut how do I share my files ?03:44
kapputuI prefer the stable one03:44
PoyayanI don't know how it compares with reiser4 though03:45
Pizbitkapputu: Over the network? samba03:45
kapputuyeah but I don't need to give share permissions to my files ?03:45
PizbitYou do03:45
kapputubecause the ubuntus recognize each other03:45
kapputuhow do I share it ?03:46
kapputufrom the command line03:46
PizbitAdd to the end of the /etc/samba/smb.conf file something along the lines of this http://www.pastebin.com/11508103:46
kapputuwhat does that do ?03:46
PizbitThe browable stuff I'm not sure about, I put in both 'cause I saw both used on the net heh03:47
PizbitIt's a share definition, should be obvious what to change:)03:47
ubllok, back03:47
ubllI have a few newbie questions for you guys. Hopefully you won't mind :p03:47
monteiroubll : just ask men03:47
monteiroas anyone ever tested looking glass ?03:48
ubllIs removing an application as simple as deleting the folder in usr/local ?03:48
kapputuwhat's that b/w square brackets ?03:48
kapputuis it optional or is it the name of the machine or share ?03:48
tolstoy_folks: has something happened in hoary that makes it impossible for root to start services via the init.d scripts?03:48
Pizbitkapputu: That's the name of the share they'll see when they look at your computer03:48
tolstoy_sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start does nothing (stop works)03:49
Pizbittolstoy: restart ?03:49
tolstoy_Pizbit, nope.03:49
tolstoy_Pizbit, stop works when I start it up via /usr/sbin/apache2.03:49
tolstoy_Not even a bark in error.log03:49
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PizbitDon't know, might be because running it that way isn't running it as a service?03:50
tricky1help03:50
tolstoy_Pizbit, right: but I can't get it to start any other way, is the thing.  Probs with postgres as well.03:50
tricky1configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check03:50
LinuxJonestricky1, install build-essential03:51
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kapputuhmm this is going to be a lot of work03:52
kapputuI need to install ssh server on my deskutu03:52
kapputuopenssh ??03:52
kapputuhow long does it take to setup ?03:52
kapputugot disc03:52
kapputudid my questions reach ?03:52
stuNNedkapputu, not long at all it's real simple03:52
spuhkewziis there any way that I can compile a module for an older kernel?  (My problem is this: I'm installing ubuntu on a laptop that only has a pegasus usb network adaptor and I'm not quite sure how to go about getting the driver onto the laptop.  I've got this box running linux-2.6.9-nitro1 but iirc, modules are kernel version specific)03:52
kapputuok here we go03:52
stuNNedkapputu, basically just install it and maybe ubuntu will start the daemon auto then check with `netstat -tupan` to see if it's running and have port open for it03:52
kapputuwhat's tupan ?03:53
kapputuis it a list of options ?03:53
Pizbityeah03:53
spuhkewzitcp, udp, ports, all, numbers03:53
ubllHow do you remove programs in Linux? In Windows it is wise to "uninstall". Is this necessary in Linux?03:54
tolstoy_Pizbit, it was due to apache 1.3 already being there, so it set itself to not start in /etc/default/apache203:54
psyklopsubll, if you're using Ubuntu its just "apt-get remove *program*"03:54
psyklopsunless you put it there yourself (compiled)03:55
ubllpsyklops: Yes, but I mean programs downloaded off the internet03:55
kapputuhow do I setup the user ?03:55
ubllLike enemy-territory for example03:55
Pizbitubll: Depends how you installed them03:55
mctavishubll: No. Use synaptic to remove apps03:55
spuhkewziubll: it all depends on how you installed them.03:55
Pizbitubll: If ET has an uninstall script, use that03:55
mctavishoops. too slow.03:55
ubllOk, sorry, would that script be located in the installed folder?03:56
Pizbitubll: Have a look:)03:57
kappututhis is irritating.. my wireless connec keeps dropping03:58
kapputuit was alright till now03:58
lifelessMithrandir: around ?03:58
ubllPizbit: thanks :p03:58
kapputuanyone know what the UseLogin is used for in sshd_config ?04:01
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stuNNedkapputu, mind me asking, what text editor are you using?04:04
usualif i am using hoary is it ok to use the mozilla-mplayer plugin package from unstable04:05
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stuNNeddoes ubuntu install disc support rescue mode?04:07
kapputuemacs04:07
stuNNedkapputu, vi! jk hehe04:08
kapputuI'm going to learn vi soon04:09
kapputuafter installing ssh, if I need to connect, do I say username@desktopname ?04:09
kapputuanyone there ?04:09
kapputujk ?04:09
kapputuI can ssh to the other machine using my ip but not using it's hostname04:10
stuNNedssh username@ip_address unless you've set up your /etc/hosts file to alias to desktopname04:10
kapputu!!04:10
kapputuok that'll be set now04:10
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tolstoy_does libapache2-mod-php4 contain mysql support?04:17
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deskutuhi all04:17
tolstoy_I do a phpinfo() thing and it seems so (and php itself is working), but wordpress just does nothing for an install.  blank screen.04:17
deskutuwhy is this channel lagging ?04:17
ubllIt is laggin pretty bad.04:18
deskutuyeah04:18
deskutuand I thought my wireless connec had dropped !04:18
PizbitIt's just that no one is talking:)04:18
deskutuok now that I'm back everyone would wish that it was silent04:18
deskutu;)04:18
tolstoy_man, i *hate* mysql.04:19
deskutuPizbit, I'm your friend kapputu04:19
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jpsdo you guys know how to get kde su to use sudo instead of su?04:21
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deskututhis # is lagging04:23
plasticmanI'm having a problem with adding a new hard drive, I'm able to mount it and connect to it, but it doesn't list all of the files on it, can anybody help?04:24
jdubdeskutu: if your client is reporting lag, it's between you and the server.04:24
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deskutujdub: how many messages were exchanged between my last message and your reply ?04:26
stuNNedif install ubuntu then install winxp after ubuntu and winxp overwrites grub in the mbr is there a way to recover and `grub-install /dev/hda` ?04:26
stuNNeddeskutu, pong:)04:27
deskutulol04:27
deskutujust checking to see if I'm the one who is lagging04:27
jdubyou are04:28
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deskutuhmm  but I was fine a few mins back !104:28
jdubit fluctuates04:28
jdubit's not a big deal04:28
deskututhis is the first time I'm experiencing lag in a few days04:28
deskutuI used to be on IRC like a few years before04:28
deskututhings haven't changed much apparently !104:29
deskutumy network is slow04:30
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limaunionhi, does anybody know which is the init script that should mount smbfs shares ?04:35
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lithium3141can anyone help? i'm getting an error when i try to install ubuntu04:37
moyogolithium3141: what's the error?04:37
lithium3141i get the message "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"04:38
lithium3141it's on the step "install the base system" at around 36%04:38
ubllCan I somehow shrink my current windows xp partition without losing everything?04:40
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lithium3141can anyone help? i'm getting an error when i try to install ubuntu04:47
lithium3141i get the message "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"04:47
lithium3141it's on the step "install the base system" at around 36%04:47
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brettcarlithium3141: My first guess is your CD is corrupted04:48
lithium3141redownloaded04:48
mdzlithium3141: try burning at a lower speed04:48
lithium3141it's on a virtual machine using an iso image04:48
mdzdunno, then.  the 4.10 base install is known to work04:49
mdzperhaps a problem with the VM04:49
lithium3141ok thanks04:49
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stuNNedinternet seems to be lagging in general here05:01
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kapputu_here too05:02
ubllfriday night :)05:02
kapputu_any outbreak of a Windows virus ?05:02
ublllol05:02
kapputu_I don't want to be affected if someone else is using windows05:03
kapputu_I'm going to ask everyone else to change too05:03
kapputu_:p05:03
kapputu_how do I do a net-install ?05:03
ubllI've wondered that myself.05:03
ubllMy CD-ROM is on its last leg, and I'd like to just download everything05:04
moyogoyou could do a net-install with debian and then switch to ubuntu05:05
kapputu_oh !!05:05
kapputu_I just wiped out debian :-(05:06
kapputu_my cd drive is screwed05:06
ubllwhat about putting the "warty" ISO on its own partiton and then setting GRUB to boot it?05:06
ubllSounds sketchy but...05:06
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Thorhi, is anyone here ?05:06
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zetamannskyHelp! How do I get Audigy 2 to produce sound?05:07
Thorhow can i manually chnage either the screen resolution, or the fram rate ?05:07
unpersonAnyone found a firefox theme that matches well with the human theme of the ubuntu desktop?05:07
Thormy monitor is too shit and cant handle what ubuntu set to default, so i cant see anything05:07
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unpersonYou should be able to go to a virtual console (CTRL+ALT+F2 or such)05:08
unpersonIf you login, then you should be able to set such things.05:09
Thorthe thing is05:09
stuNNedzetamannsky, audigy2 worked here after disabling onboard audio and setting mixer settings05:10
Thori cnat SEE anything05:10
Thorso can you guide me through what must be done ?05:10
Thorare there any commands i cna set ?05:10
unpersonthor:  So you can't get to another virutal console?05:10
unpersonCTRL+ALT+F2 doesn't give you a readable login screen?05:10
Thorwell when i presse ctrl+alt_F2, something happnend05:11
kapputu_can I use any software to make a partition out of free space ?05:11
Thornot readable, no05:11
Thorbut i can see there something written there05:11
ubllHow do you get back to Gnome after going to a Virtual console?05:11
Thoryou know when you set your screen res too high and it goes all fuzzy ??05:11
ubllAlso, how do you "kill" applications05:12
Thorthats whats happening05:12
limaunionubll: alt+f705:12
zetamannskystuNNed, how do I disable the onboard audio and set the mixer settings? Where is this explained?05:12
unpersonthor:  Yeah, but I'd expect it to be better if you switch to another console.05:12
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unpersonThor, try hitting CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE05:12
ubllthanks lima05:13
unpersonThat should kill Xwindows so we can fix it.05:13
ubllHow do you get back to Gnome aftering opening another console(ctl+alt+f1)05:13
Thorhmm05:13
kapputu_but virtual console doesnt use X05:13
Thorits doing something05:13
kapputu_so how should that matter ?05:13
Thorits back to the logon screen i assume, and thats fuzzy too :P05:14
unpersonkapputu_, Possible. We'll find out.  :-)05:14
unpersonAnd virtual consoles are still no good?05:14
amathisit is so nice to be able to 'apt-get install xmms'05:14
amathisinstead of compiling it ^_^05:14
Thori type the same thing i typed before to get it up05:14
unpersonthor, Hmm...well, there's little chance we can do it if you can't read.  Next thing I'd try is reboot and choose the recovery option.05:14
Thoryep, still no good05:14
unpersonwait, wait05:14
ubllHow do you close the console and get back to Gnome?05:14
unpersonBut after you killed it you did get a readable prompt?05:15
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kapputu_ctl+alt+f6 I guess05:15
Thorkilled what ?05:15
kapputu_or f705:15
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unpersonf705:15
kapputu_hmm yeah05:15
ubllok05:15
Thoratm, i cant read ANYTHING05:15
unpersonthor, after you did CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE did you get anything readable?05:15
Thornot console, not login screen05:15
Thorno i did not05:16
unpersonOk05:16
Thorit went to what i assume is the login screen05:16
Thorso how do i reboot in recovery mode ?05:16
unpersonSo, like I said, next thing I'd try is reboot and start up in recovery mode.05:16
atariboyvia the GRUB menu just after boot05:16
unpersonWell, when you reboot, the first thing that should come up is a menu with options.  Once of them will say something like 2.6.8-1 blah blah (recovery)05:16
unpersonSelect that option at boot.05:17
unpersonthor, You got a handle on getting it to reboot?05:17
Thori just hit the reset button :P05:18
unpersonheh, ok.05:18
Thorits coming up with all the things right now, and [ok]  ing them05:18
Thoris the list supposed to come befroe that ?05:18
unpersonyes05:18
Thorhmm05:18
unpersonYou didn't get any list of options before that?05:19
Thorno05:19
Thorit said ot pres esc to get a list05:19
Thorbut i was too late05:19
unpersonAh...weird.  Ok, mine was configured to show the list by default.05:19
Thorisnt there any key command to go up and down screen resolutions ?05:19
zack_.. anyone can recommend a good player for midi files?05:19
unpersonBut that may be because I have a lot of different partitions.05:19
atariboyzack_: dunno. check freshmeat?05:20
Thorok, getting into recovery mode now05:20
kapputu_unperson, what software do u use to make a partition out of free space ?05:20
unpersonthor, now that you mention it, yes.  CTRL+ALT+PLUS or MINUS I think.05:20
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unpersonHowever, you have to have other resolutions on the list of possible resolutions.05:21
kapputu_I just wiped out the disk on one of my machines to install ubuntu05:21
kapputu_but I would want to install debian sometime later05:21
unpersonkapputu_, You mean you have one big partition and you want to cut it into pieces while retaining data?05:21
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kapputu_yeah05:22
kapputu_hi socomm05:22
unpersonkapputu_, Well, if you haven't installed yet, Ubuntu installer gave me the option to partition.05:22
kapputu_it gave me too05:22
unpersonthor, You to a prompt yet?05:22
socommHello.05:22
kapputu_but I was kinda pissed off with something I was trying to do, so I made it erase the disk05:23
unpersonkapputu_, I think qtparted will do dynamic resizing.05:23
Thorwell, i got to the list05:23
kapputu_ok will try that05:23
Thorselected recovery05:23
Thorand its still loading :)05:23
unpersonok05:23
Thorwiat05:23
Thornow its loaded05:23
unpersonthor, Eventually I think it will spit you out at a prompt.05:23
Thoryep comand promtp05:24
Thorso what next ?05:24
unpersonkapputu_, Ok, but be warned, if dynamic resizing screws up you could lose all your data.05:24
Thorand yes i cna see it fine05:24
unpersonkapputu_, So back up anything important if possible.05:24
unpersonthor,  Good, that's a start.  Now, there are two different things to try.05:24
unpersonthor, first one, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:25
kapputu_I might not have any05:25
unpersonthor, That should take you through reconfiguring the graphical interface.  You should just be able to say ok to everything until you get to the part about resolutions, I think.05:26
Thorit says command not found05:26
SkifThor, you probably have to run it with 'sudo05:26
Skif'05:26
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Skifas in, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure .....'05:26
unpersonthor, yes, what skif said.  Sorry.05:26
unpersonthor, I'm still new to ubuntu and this sudo business.05:27
Skifunperson: I've been using sudo (or a homegrown variant) for years; I like the nice separation between root and my normal usage.05:27
Thorits ok mate, your helping me out heaps05:28
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unpersonSkif, Yeah, I'm sort of agnostic so far.  But it certainly isn't a bad system.05:28
Thorbut no, still command not found05:28
Thorbut it says SUDO at beginiggin instead of BASH05:28
SkifThor: can you please paste the command line you are attempting to run here?05:28
Skifand while you're at it, the output of 'dpkg -l debconf'05:29
Thorim typing this "dpkg-reconfigurexserver-xfree86"05:29
socommThor: probably a sudo shell, or something.05:29
SkifThor, you need a space between 'dpkg-reconfigure and 'xserver-xfree86'05:29
Thoroic05:29
Thorcool05:30
Skifhence the space in unperson's original command :)05:30
Thorit came up with a screen05:30
socommWhy don't you try `xf86cfg -textmode'?05:30
Thoryeah, on here, it was onthe next line, so thought it was ll in one ;)05:30
unpersonthor:  No problem.05:30
Thorso what xserver driver do i use ?05:30
Thori810 ?05:30
Thorwhich it is set to atm05:30
SkifThor, just hit 'ok' for everything until you get to resolution; that should be reasonable05:31
unpersonthor:  Yes, I think it should be set to all the ones you were using before.05:31
LinuxJonesnight all05:31
unpersonthor, you just want to say ok until you get to resolution.05:31
kapputu_lesser number of users from US ?05:31
unpersonkapputu_, huh?05:32
socommThor: if you're having problems with your drivers you can always use the `vesa' driver.05:32
socommWhich will most likely work with any chipset, minus the hardware accels of course.05:32
kapputu_i mean people wishing good night and leaving this early05:32
unpersonOk, well, if Skif has everything in hand I should probably go.05:32
Skifunperson: feel free, if you must go anyhow, but don't leave on my account :)05:32
unpersonsocomm, Not necessarily good advice.05:33
Thorok05:33
socommunperson: why's that?05:33
Thorall done, now how do i exit it ang get back to login screen ?05:33
SkifThor: but don't do so unless you can't get everything working with the default driver ubuntu picked for you05:33
unpersonsocomm, If he really has i810 then it will NOT work with vesa.05:33
unpersonthor:  Skif is correct.05:33
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socommunperson: most people are very impatient s/he can get an windowing environment going with vesa 'til he can figure out how to get i810 going.05:34
unpersonsocomm, This is because it shares the sys RAM for video RAM, which apparently doesn't work with vesa.05:34
unpersonsocomm, Or at least not with that chipset.  So I've read.05:34
socommIf I recall corretly X's i810 support is very iffy, at least it was on my sisters laptop.05:34
SkifThor: you can always reboot :)05:34
Thorso can i just hit reset and load back into ubuntu normally ?05:34
SkifThor: please do 'sudo reboot' instead; that is nicer to your filesystems :)05:34
Thorok, loading now :)05:35
unpersonsocomm, It's what I have and it works OK here, except that playing back video (like mpgs) is all screwed up.05:35
Thorahah, too late ;P05:35
SkifThor: no problem; if you do that, though, it will start up faster next time.05:35
Skifmarginally, but even so.05:35
Thoroh ok:)05:35
Thoron a 466mhz with 64mb ram, i doubt thats possible05:35
SkifThor: it also ensures that anything that was hanging around in RAM gets written to your hard disk properly.05:35
Thor"whats this SPEEDE you speak of :P"05:35
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unpersonOk, I must go.  Good night all.05:36
kapputu_bye unperson05:36
ThorSUCESS05:37
ThorTHANKS a lot folks05:37
Thorreally appreciate the help :)05:37
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Skifhoorah, and all that.05:37
kapputu_wb zetamannsky05:37
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unpersonthor:  Happy ubuntuing.  You may have some problems with video playback if you really have an i810, though.  But no use worrying about that yet.05:37
Thorthis thing loads heaps good on my machine05:38
unpersonnow, gone for real.05:38
kapputu_of course it does Thor05:38
Thorcya unperson, and thanks :)05:38
kapputu_it's not Windows05:38
kapputu_listen ye all05:38
kapputu_today my Windows got shutdown automatically05:38
kapputu_10 mins into boot, I get a message saying that lsass.exe has done something stupid and shutdown the system down in 30 secs05:39
kapputu_no more windows for me05:39
bur[n] erisn't that a blaster thing?05:39
Thormy windows is goign all freaky and neds a format05:39
kapputu_it is ?05:40
Thorbut the hting is, i cnat install linux to this mahcine05:40
bur[n] erlsass shutting it down in 1:00 or so05:40
bur[n] eri thought it was05:40
Thoreveryone else in my family is more iliterate than me with computers05:40
kapputu_ic05:40
bur[n] ercheck out your 'msconfig'05:40
bur[n] ersee if you see 'blaster' ;)05:40
bur[n] erand get windows updates as fast as youcan05:40
kapputu_hmm05:40
bur[n] eror.........05:40
kapputu_msconfig by booting into safe mode ?05:41
bur[n] erjust never ever boot into it again :)05:41
bur[n] eruse linux and be merry05:41
kapputu_that's probably the solution I was thinking of05:41
kapputu_ok how about this05:41
bur[n] eri think my windows still works, but i havne't booted it in ages05:41
kapputu_I have ubuntu on my laptop and two desktops05:41
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kapputu_and I installed it first on my laptop last week05:41
=== bur[n] er has kanotix, morphix, and ubuntu
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kapputu_people here have been so helpful..05:41
kapputu_I have just fallen in love with this OS05:42
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bur[n] erright on05:42
bur[n] ernow start programming or making art for it or someting ;)05:42
ajmitchI've got debian (sid) on the laptop so ubuntu will be a little older05:42
bur[n] ercool themes are always a draw for more people to the OS05:42
kapputu_oh yeah I have offered myself for programming05:42
kapputu_I'm very poor at Art05:42
socommkapputu_: if you have a cute sister/girlfriend lets us know ;)05:43
bur[n] erajmitch: but ubuntu has gnome 2.8 :)05:43
kapputu_but I'm good at the art of programming05:43
ajmitchbur[n] er: so does experimental, iirc :)05:43
socommI'm sure the ubuntu community would like some new wall papers.05:43
kapputu_socomm, bad luck05:43
ajmitchbesides, I usually use kde :)05:43
Thorok one last question05:43
kapputu_I'm looking for a gf myself05:43
bur[n] erreally?  program a nice gtk2 file manager that is not all based on gnome like nautilus and one that is simpler05:43
Thorhow do i change screen res with this thing ?05:43
bur[n] erlike rox, but more sophisticated ;)05:43
Skifajmitch: I find that ubuntu, though older for some things, is newer still for others, and in general is a nice fit for laptops-- better, in fact, than when I had sid on mine.05:43
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bur[n] erbut gnome is kinda nice somtimes05:44
Thoranyone ?05:44
ajmitchSkif: I recently put a 40GB drive in, so I might dual-boot it05:44
SkifFurther, you can always put a sid deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list and build anything that is required, though I haven't needed to do so yet.05:44
bur[n] erThor: open the desktop prefs....05:44
bur[n] eruhh... i forget the exact location, i'm not booted to gnome atm05:44
Skifajmitch: I reinstall periodically, more from a need to prove I'm backing everything up properly than any actual need.05:45
socommComputer->System Configuration->Resolution05:45
ajmitchSkif: I haven't reinstalled yet since starting with debian a few years ago05:45
socomms/Resolution/Screen Resolution05:45
Skifajmitch: as I say, I've not *needed* to, but I felt like trying the new debian-installer, and then lamont was pestering me so to try Ubuntu that finally I relented.05:46
Thorhmm05:46
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Thori cnat change out of 640x48005:47
lamontSkif: thanks05:47
Skiflamont: glad t'help :)05:47
ajmitchSkif: so far I've only used ubuntu inside qemu :)05:47
Skifajmitch: ouch, that sounds unnecessarily painful.  Real hardware will provide a more enticing experience, to be sure.05:47
Skiflamont: well, much better after I realized your mirror wasn't complete. :)05:47
socommThor: You'll have to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add some more modes.05:47
kapputuok all my machines now have ubuntu05:48
kapputuI'm going to go around and install it on all my friends' machine05:48
kapputu*machines05:48
ajmitchsure, but I use my computer more for development work05:48
ajmitchincluding some debian packaging05:48
Skifajmitch: this is why there is debootstrap and sbuild :)05:48
socommkapputu: why not diversify?05:48
kapputulike ?05:48
socomm*BSD05:49
kapputuyeah I'm thinking that as an option too05:49
ajmitchGNU/Hurd05:49
Skiflast time I looked at *BSDs, they didn't support my SCSI card05:49
lamontskif: that's what warty-full is in the mirror for... :-)05:49
socommUmmm, other flavors of GNU/Linux.05:49
Skiflamont: well, :P you didn't tell me that, did you05:49
kapputuI don't want Mandrake, FC05:49
kapputuI have used it for a while05:49
lamontSkif: oops.  my bad05:49
socommSkif: Freebie?05:49
lamontSkif: the mirror has everything _I_ need. :-)05:49
Skifsocomm: nope05:49
Thor  ./etc/X11/XF86Config-4 how do i edit that ?05:50
Skiflamont: that's the definition of "working", isn't it? :)05:50
kapputusocomm, can I install both FreeBSD and linux on the same machine05:50
kapputuwill grub recognize FreeBSD ?05:50
socommSkif: give FreeBSD a try I believe they do support most major SCSI interfaces.05:50
socommkapputu: dual boot.05:50
socommkapputu: I think so just don't install FreeBSD's boot loader.05:50
kapputudoes it matter what I install first ?05:51
Skifsocomm: not this particular one; it's a buslogic flashpoint card05:51
Skifsocomm: perhaps they've fixed it since; free is most likely to have.05:51
socommkapputu: don't think so, but I'd install FreeBSD first just so that GRUB will automatically configure things.05:51
kapputuhmm05:52
socommSkif: try the 5.* series.05:52
kapputuI don't want to remove Ubuntu05:52
kapputualso I need an app to create a partition out of my free space05:52
ajmitchit's not windows, so it shouldn't harm your system too much05:52
Thorhey whats pciehp ?05:53
Thorand shpchp05:53
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kapputuhey Nafallo05:53
kapputuhow's ya doing05:53
socommYeah FreeBSD is pretty friendly to most everyone, but the install might take some getting used to.05:53
SkifThor: drivers for supporting PCI hotplug; something most desktop users won't have (for a while, anyway)05:54
Nafallokapputu: hi there. getting tired :-P.05:54
kapputuof what ?05:54
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Nafallokapputu: synaptics-driver05:54
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Thoroj05:55
siimowhats new in snapshot hoary05:55
Thorso its ok if it doesnt load ?05:55
kapputuwhat's up with it ?05:55
Thorit gets fatal errored on startup05:55
kapputucan I help ?05:55
Skifsocomm: just looked; it doesn't seem that's fixed in 5.2.1 yet either05:56
Thoranyway05:56
Thori gtg do soe waching and stuff05:56
Thorthanks for your help folks05:56
Thorill stick around :)05:56
Nafallokapputu: dunno, it just doesn't work :-/.05:56
socommSkif: I think 5.3 is coming out soon.05:56
kapputuok this machine might hang anytime05:57
kapputuit hangs whenever I use X05:57
kapputuX or Windows05:57
Nafallokapputu: I've solved it since I installed by made a comment for the serverlayout entry in XF86Config-405:57
kapputulet's see how Ubuntu works05:57
kapputuNafallo, actually I think it's a problem with hardware05:58
kapputuI have tried Windows 98, XP, FC, Mandrake, Debian05:58
Nafallokapputu: worked in debian i386.05:58
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kapputuhi hectorvs05:59
hectorvshey, whats up05:59
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hectorvsi have a bit of a prob with my vid card... hardware acceleration mostly..05:59
hectorvsim getting only 243 fps in glxgears with my radeon 960006:00
hectorvssucks!06:00
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fabbioneglxgears is wrong06:01
hectorvsI have everything configured as it should, i get "Direct rendering: yes" in glxinfo, i installed the fglrx-drivers and remade the XFree conf...06:01
hectorvsis it?06:01
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fabbioneyes06:01
lifelessfabbione: oh ?06:01
Nafallobaah, I haven't got my AGP-chip detected by the kernel yet :-P.06:01
hectorvshow can i check if its correct?06:01
fabbionelifeless: most of this fancy benchmark tools are fake06:01
hectorvsi mean, when i click on logout and the screen dims the mouse goes slow06:01
fabbionehectorvs: your eye can probably assimilate 10 to 20 fps06:02
lifelessfabbione: oh, completley agree. but the same tool run again and again, that gives a common baseline.06:02
fabbioneeven if your video card does 1000 fps instead of 123006:02
fabbioneit makes no difference to the human eye06:02
hectorvsfabbione: i know, but i dont like slowdown like the one i mentioned06:02
fabbioneconsidering that in any case the refresh of the monitor does not go higher than 100 Hz06:02
fabbionethat you cannot still notice06:02
lamontfabbione: about that fglrx stuff...06:02
lifelessfabbione: glxgears is dimply inidicative, 3d accel working should give 1+K per second in the default window.06:02
lifelessif it doesn't, then when you scale the workload up, things suck hard.06:03
lamontMy machine keeps loading the radeon driver instead... what do I have to change besides XF-config?06:03
lifelessfabbione: can fglrx run on amd64 ?06:03
fabbionelamont: i didn't package the fglrx stuff and i can't even test it06:03
Nafallolifeless: nope06:04
Nafallolifeless: ati haven't released drivers yet.06:04
fabbionelamont: i am not sure you can see a difference in that06:04
hectorvshow do i know which drivers im currently using?06:04
lifelessNafallo: :[. Has anyone looked into whats involved in fixing it? We do have the source after all :)06:04
hectorvsmy xfreeconf file has fglrx06:04
fabbionelifeless: that can means several things. a) not all the hw accelartion is supported and some is done in software 2) your hardware sucks 3) the driver sucks06:04
Nafallolifeless: fglrx isn't ati's closed-sourced drivers?06:05
lamontfabbione: np06:05
lamontpitti about?06:05
lifelessfabbione: for me, radeon 9600xt, 1920xwhatever res, running 'radeon' driver at the moment.06:05
lifelessNafallo: it is proprietary, not closed source.06:05
lifelessi..e you download source to install it.06:05
fabbionelifeless: some driver do not accelarate over a certain resolution06:05
fabbionelifeless: for eg the nvidia goes banana over 1600x120006:06
fabbioneit gets very very slow06:06
lifelessfabbione: radeon doesn't do any recent cards06:06
fabbioneindipendently from the hw you have06:06
Nafallolifeless: oki, well. doesn't matter before my agp-chip is supported anyway :-P06:06
lifelessNafallo: what agp-chip do you have ?06:06
hectorvsguys, do u get slowdown when clicking logout? (during the dimming of the screen?)06:06
Nafallonafallo@darkelf:~ $ lspci | grep AGP06:07
Nafallo0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP]  Host Bridge (rev 01)06:07
lifelesshectorvs: not with the fglrx driver06:07
hectorvslifeless: i am, and i have the fglrx driver...06:07
lifelesshectorvs: what does fglrxinfo show ?06:07
fabbionehectorvs: yes i do it here too06:07
fabbionethat's not accelarated06:07
fabbioneand i have a pretty fast machine06:07
hectorvsdisplay: :0.0  screen: 006:07
hectorvsOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.06:07
hectorvsOpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON 9600 Generic06:07
hectorvsOpenGL version string: 1.3.4510 (X4.3.0-3.12.0)06:07
lifelessheh, same as me.06:08
hectorvslol06:08
lifeless(for my laptop anyway)06:08
hectorvsyeah, i have a laptop too06:08
hectorvsdell 860006:08
hectorvsu?06:08
lifelessclevo d500p. aka 'hoverbook of doom'06:08
hectorvslol06:08
hectorvshmm, so how could i troubleshoot this?06:09
Nafallohmm, anyone of you laptop ppl use xfree86-driver-synaptics on x86?06:09
lifelessI get 1173 for the default glxgears window06:10
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hectorvsi get 240 :(06:10
lifelessNafallo:  I do.06:10
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lifelesshectorvs: does glxinfo list 'mesa anywhere'06:10
Nafallolifeless: care to sudo grep synaptics /var/log/XFree86.0.log?06:11
hectorvslifeless: nope06:11
lifelesshectorvs: then I'm at a loss.06:12
hectorvsglxinfo | grep mesa doesnt return anything06:12
Nafallolifeless: look for what X it's built against.06:12
lifelessI'd look for warnings in XFree86.0.log06:12
lifelesshectorvs: try grep -i06:12
lifeless(II) LoadModule: "synaptics"06:12
lifeless(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o06:12
lifeless(II) Module synaptics: vendor="The XFree86 Project"06:12
lifeless(--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found06:12
lifeless(--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found06:12
Nafallohmm, damn. mine didn't find anything :-P06:13
Hikaru79Nafallo -- Do you have the universe repository?06:13
NafalloHikaru79: nope06:13
Hikaru79=) That's why it's not showing up06:13
hectorvslifeless: nope glxinfo | grep -i mesa, still nothing06:13
NafalloHikaru79: ehm?06:13
Hikaru79Here, I'll give you a link :)06:14
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Jet2k5hello06:14
kapputuhi hiky06:14
kapputuwhat's up06:14
Jet2k5anyone can help me with my bootloader problem06:14
Hikaru79You're looking for a package and not finding it right Nafallo?06:14
Jet2k5?06:14
Hikaru79Hey, kapputu ^^06:14
kapputuhave three ubuntus at home today06:14
kapputuI named them laputu, deskutu and servutu06:15
kapputu:-)06:15
NafalloHikaru79: nope. xfree86-driver-synaptics is installed with ubuntu-desktop I believe :-).06:15
Hikaru79Oooh06:15
Hikaru79When you said "hmm, damn. mine didn't find anything :-P" I thought you were reffering to lifeless' line "(--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found"06:15
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Nafalloyes, mine wasn't found.06:16
Nafallothough driver was loaded and all.06:16
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Nafallo(II) Module synaptics: vendor="The XFree86 Project"06:16
Nafallo        compiled for 4.2.0,06:16
hectorvshow do you know which driver you're using for video?06:16
Nafalloisn't that line wrong?06:16
Nafallohectorvs: look in XFree86Config-4?06:17
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hectorvsNafallo: yeah, ok... im just checking... i have this wierd hardware acceleration issue06:17
Nafallohectorvs: or XFree86.0.log06:18
Nafallo(II) LoadModule: "ati"06:18
Nafallo(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o06:18
hectorvswhere do i find the log?06:18
Nafallo./var/log/06:18
hectorvskk, thanks06:19
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kappututhanks to Ubuntu, I'm now fully in the linux world06:19
Jet2k5anybody now how to replace the bootloader?06:20
kapputuand thanks to you guys too06:20
Nafallolifeless: my synaptics_drv.o says it's compiled for 4.2.0 :-/.06:20
Jet2k5from the cd?06:20
hectorvslifeless: you have a 9600 mobility, right??06:21
Nafallobugfiling time :-P06:22
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=== kapputu is lagging
Thorhey is there any way (other than Themes) to tone down the effects of the GNOME06:24
Nafallokapputu: didn't you have an amd64-based lappy?06:24
kapputunope, P-III06:25
hectorvshey guys, whats xfree86-dga?06:25
Nafallokapputu: damn :-P06:25
kapputuI got an idea Nafallo06:25
kapputuwhy don't  u buy me one ? and then I'll c if we can solve ur problem06:26
jdubThor: what do you think is slowing you down?06:26
Nafallokapputu: :-P06:26
kapputuwhat's wrong with ubuntu and sound06:27
Thori dun06:27
kapputunow this desktop doesn't get soundcard recognized too06:27
Thori have a 466mhx with 64mb ram, take your pcik :P06:27
kapputui810e any good ??06:28
lifelesshectorvs: yes06:28
jdubThor: 64MB RAM is not good enough to run GNOME06:29
jdubThor: you really need 256MB RAM or more06:29
ajmitchnot without significant pain, anyway06:29
jdubThor: i'd suggest installing XFCE or something really minimal like fluxbox06:30
kapputuhmm works well with 128 for me06:30
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Thorhow do i go about doing that ?06:30
Thorbut, atm, i must say, its runnig well, just, id like it to be a bit faster :)06:31
jdubkapputu: my recommended *minimum* spec is 256MB, and that's as an upstream developer06:31
jdubThor: apt-get install xfce (i think)06:31
kappututrue, but I haven't seen any performance problems on this one yet06:31
jdubyou should be able to choose it in the gdm sessions list06:32
jdubnote that it's in universe, unsupported06:32
hectorvshey guys, when you startup do you get some wierd message about a PnPBios not supported?06:34
kapputuwhat's the version of firefox that comes with ubuntu ?06:35
jdub0.9.3 + security patches06:37
Nafallokapputu: 0.9306:37
kapputuany suggestions for configuring sound card on ubuntu for Intel 810e onboard sound card ?06:39
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Thorgdm sessions list ?06:39
Thorim totally new to linux, so please explain :)06:40
SkifThor: at the graphical login screen, look to the bottom of the screen.  There you will find a "sessions" menu, from which you may thenceforth select an appropriate type.06:41
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hectorvsim THIS close to giving up on my vidcard problem...06:42
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SkifTo be fair, it is more of a label, with the title of "sessions", the clicking upon of which will bring to light the aforementioned menu06:43
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Skif(why yes, I am reading Paarfi of Roundwood, why do you ask)06:44
Thorso which one should i choose ?06:44
Thorkeep in mind i want a graphical interface, not some thing i have to type commands on06:44
burnboyanyone know how to disable the sound file that plays at the login? it keeps fucking up and alsa crashes06:44
Thorand, its only got GNOME in it06:44
jdubThor: xfce is like a baby brother of gnome06:44
Thornothing else06:44
jdubperhaps xfce doesn't install a sessions06:45
SkifThor, assuming you have installed xfce, it should appear as a selection within said list of available session types.06:45
jdubfile06:45
mgwhitthere's a sound that plays at login...?06:45
Thorso, how do i install it ?06:45
burnboyas far as i know.06:45
Thorwhat about XDMCchooser ?06:45
SkifThor: why, by following the instructions the gentlemanly jdub has thoughtfully supplied already, to wit, 'apt-get install xfce'06:46
kapputusound is not detected on my machine... :-(06:46
Thorhehe, oh those are instructions ?? sorry, like i said, im total sped, i dont understand these things :P06:46
Thorso i type that in a terminal window ?06:46
jdubThor: or use synaptic06:47
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mgwhitkapputu: what hardware?06:47
kapputuIntel 810e chipset06:47
xinelhrmmms i got a problem, dunno wether its ubuntu or not but when i leave my pc on overnight it stalls06:47
SkifThor: that is an option; otherwise, you can, if you choose, employ synaptic, a more graphical approach, which can be started by the means of Computer-> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager06:47
mgwhitkapputu: yeah, me too :p06:47
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xinelit didn't used to with fedora core 206:47
kapputuoh06:48
Thori might do that :)06:48
kapputuI thought you would have a solution :P06:48
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mgwhitkapputu: i'll let you know when i do :)06:48
mgwhiti've never gotten sound working under debian, but i'm sick of not being able to figure this out06:49
xinelanyone have any ideas?06:49
kapputuyep06:49
kapputuI don't like to have hardware not working on a machine06:49
ajmitchSkif: simple, just, pry off the ',' key, if you so wish :)06:50
Skifajmitch: Would that it were so simple!06:50
altanis there any reason to choose nvidia or ati over one another when building a new machine from scratch that will not be used for games?06:50
Thorok synaptic seems complicated06:50
SkifI have many other puncutation characters available to me-- some might call it a surplusage; a veritable cornucopia even!06:51
Thorhey tell me, to loginto the machine as a root user, you use root as username right ?06:51
mgwhithere we go06:51
jdubThor: no, you should never log in as root, and in ubuntu, you're actually completely unable to06:51
mgwhitthor: ubuntu disables root account by defaultl use the sudo command06:52
jdubalthough06:52
mgwhitfor root priveleges06:52
jdubif you're running synaptic from the menus06:52
jdubit doesn't matter in the slightest06:52
Thorok06:52
jdubeverything's done properly for you06:52
Thorso cna oyu run me through how to setup this in synaptic please /06:53
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burnboyactually i am able to login as root just fine.06:53
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jdubThor: run synaptic, search for xfce06:53
xinelnothing in bugzilla from what i can see06:53
burnboyi didn't know anything about sudo...i su'ed using my default login's pass and did 'passwd' so now there's a diff root pass06:54
burnboyand i can su at any time06:54
Thorit didnt find anything using xfce06:54
hectorvshmm... anybody have any idea why "modprobe i8k" gives me a "device not found" error even thou i'm on a dell laptop??06:54
jdubburnboy: that's because you enabled root. that's not the default configuration.06:54
burnboyso how did i enable it?06:54
burnboyby doing what i did?06:54
jdubyou set the passworcxd06:54
burnboyoh06:54
SkifThor: perhaps you must click the "reload" button first06:54
burnboyso is there anyway to fix that?06:55
Skifburnboy: in any event, 'sudo -s' is nearly equivalent to 'su', and suffices for all purposes I've ever cared to put it to06:55
burnboyi'd like to use it as it was intended06:55
Thorstill nothing06:55
SkifIf it truly must be done, there's always 'sudo su -'06:55
jdubburnboy: sudo passwd -l root06:55
jdubSkif: (sudo -s)06:56
SkifThor: Try the menu item Settings->Repositories; do you have anything there?06:56
burnboyand what does that do?06:56
Skifjdub: but does that not retain your environment from before you sudo, whereas sudo su - will start a new root login shell, with only root's environment defined?06:56
SkifAs I say, sudo -s has sufficed for all needs that I've ever cared to put to it.06:57
PizbitJust don't use sudo -s to install a firefox update:)06:57
Thorurl is the cd rom06:57
SkifThor: you should select the entries corresponding to the various ubuntu.com urls06:58
Skifassuming they are there... I edited mine with vi :)06:58
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Thorits dloading something now :)07:01
TheScrewi like ubuntu07:01
TheScrewit's quite neat07:01
SkifThor: excellent.  Shortly upon the end of this process, you should have several results, not to say a few dozen, when searching for 'xfce'.07:02
Thorubunut is the first os to run nice oni my old machine07:03
Thordamn my typing skills, or lack therof lP07:03
kapputuyep I installed it on my friend's P-II 40007:03
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hectorvsi like how ubuntu came kinda like "out of the blue" hehe07:03
kapputuand for him it's like 10 times faster than his spyware, adware, virus infected windows 200007:03
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Hikaru79I have the following line in a shell script I wrote up: cd /usr/bin; ./cgoban     It works fine if I manually copy+paste this line into a terminal. But it has no effect if I run the .sh file. I HAVE chmodd'ed it to +x. What could be the problem? =/07:06
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Thorok07:07
Thorso what xfce thingo should i select ?07:07
PizbitHikaru79: Try putting #!/bin/sh at the top ?07:07
Hikaru79At the beginning of the script?07:07
PizbitYep07:08
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burnboyok damnit. this is confusing. i have 2 diff. computers through a linksys..redhat9 and my ubuntu..my roommates rh9 never dies on connections when i'm SSHed but i'm on my VNC and SSH here at work every day and it always dies on me.07:08
burnboyany ideas?07:08
xio04does this disto auto-detect hardware during install,  like knoppix does, or is it a more hands on approach with lots of questions?07:08
Thoryeah it does07:08
Hikaru79So, like this:07:08
Hikaru79#!/bin/sh07:08
Hikaru79cd /usr/bin; ./cgoban07:08
Hikaru79?07:08
|progenic|excuse me, is anybody know how to set path to run my javac, java, etc ?07:08
Thorwell, did for me anyway07:08
PizbitHikaru79: Yeah07:08
Hikaru79|progenic| are you using bash?07:08
Hikaru79Pizbit: still nothing :(07:08
|progenic|yup07:09
|progenic|edit it in bashrc ?07:09
|progenic|what like to type ?07:09
Pizbit|progenic|: Add it to .bashrc or .bash_profile (which ever one has $PATH07:09
kapputuhi Pizbit07:09
Hikaru79export PATH=$PATH:/usr/jdk1.5.0/bin07:09
kapputuhi hiky07:09
Hikaru79That's what mine says07:09
Hikaru79Just put in your own directory :)07:10
Hikaru79Hey, kappu :)07:10
Hikaru79Pizbit, still not working :(07:10
jdubxio04: as hands off as we can possibly make it :)07:10
PizbitHikaru79: Erm, isn't /usr/bin in your path anyway? Why not just put in exec cgoban ?07:11
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jdubxio04: if it asks a question about your hardware to configure X, we regard it as a bug (with either your hardware, or ubuntu)07:11
Pizbitjdub: It's just not fair:)07:12
xio04nice, i might think about installing it.07:12
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xio04another question:  does it use synaptic as the apt-get gui?  i just installed it on my debian box, and it doesn't seem as user friendly as xandro, or linspire.07:13
burnboyis there anything in ubuntu that would time out any connections to it?07:13
Skifxio04: To be perfectly accurate, synaptic and apt-get are both front ends to apt, a library providing the functions both employ for the purpose of installing and removing packages.  Neither is a front end to the other.07:14
xio04ok- but i assume that is what it is useing?07:14
kapputuany help with i810e on board sound card ?07:14
Pizbitxio04: Yep07:14
xskoulaxevening, morning, afternoon, pick which applies to you ;)07:14
xio04ahh- not terrably bad but i don't think it's mom-friendly.07:14
Skifxio04: That is the most-employed method, I imagine, but apt-get (and my personal favourite, aptitude) are also available, should you find yourself desirous of employing either.07:15
jdubxio04: for warty, we use synaptic07:15
Pizbitxio04: Well, a basic desktop is setup with OpenOffice and whatnot in the default install anyway07:15
jdubxio04: for hoary, we'll have something even simpler as well07:15
Skifjdub: a program of your own devising, or something already extant?07:15
Pizbitjdub: Sounds interesting07:15
xio04hoary is?07:16
jdubSkif: something nu :-)07:16
kapputuhi xskoulax07:16
kapputuhows u07:16
Skifjdub: why then, I hereby volunteer myself to test it!07:16
xskoulaxfine thx kapputu07:16
jdubxio04: our next release, due in april next year07:16
xskoulaxyourself07:16
jdubxio04: it's already open for testing07:16
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xio04ok07:16
jdubthough a lot of the cool feature stuff is not in yet07:16
kapputuI'm doing good07:17
kapputufeeling great with three ubuntus at home07:17
kapputueven gave them pretty names ; laputu, deskutu, servutu07:17
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burnboydoes anyone else have problems with remote connectiosn to a ubuntu timing out? i don't have probs with any other linux boxes.07:18
Hikaru79OK, here's my updated script...07:18
Hikaru79#!/bin/bash07:18
Hikaru79/usr/bin/cgoban07:18
Hikaru79Again, this works fine if I manually type it in terminal, but not as a script...07:18
xio04does emply mouting disks when the system boots?  and for removable media such a floppy, cd-rom do you need to umount? or does the cd-rom's eject button and or umount automatically?07:19
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bioborghey, i wiped out my bootloader installing another os and I want ubuntu back? floppy dont work either... i edited lilo but it was like mandrakes and i want my old grub back...07:20
Pizbitxio04: Removable media puts a temporary icon on the desktop you can right click on to unmount07:20
|progenic|excuse me, how to check all my hardware spesification ?07:21
CardinalSinHi, a basic question. I have just switched from SuSE to Ubuntu and was wondering if there is anything like Yast for managment? I have never used a Debian based system before.07:21
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|progenic|from linux07:21
jdubCardinalSin: not as expansive as apt, but see everything in your Computer > System Configuration menu07:21
bioborgCardinalSin: use synaptic07:21
|progenic|CardinalSin, Yes. U can use either synaptic / apt07:21
jdubs/apt/yast/07:21
jdubbioborg, |progenic|: yast is not just apcakge management07:22
bioborghey, how do i reinstall my ubuntu's grub after writing over the boot sector with lilo from mandrake07:22
xio04hmm  i'm looking to turn linux in a windows system without windows.  interesting but i think this distro isn't up to what i need without major configuration.07:22
Pizbitxio04: Er?07:22
xio04i don't think any distro is.  but i guess that will take time.07:22
Skifjdub: Indeed, it is a wonderful way of completely screwing up any manual changes you've made to your system's configuration!07:23
jdubxio04: depends on what you want to od.07:23
Pizbitxio04: Give it a try, try out the live cd07:23
CardinalSinthanks. and to manage my services? btw, Ubuntu has me completly blown away.07:23
xio04well, i'm simply saying it's alot of work.07:23
SkifAnd some automatic ones, for that matter.07:23
xio04hmm  maybe i will.07:23
jdubCardinalSin: no service management gui, you shouldn't have to change much.07:23
bioborgjdub, can you help me with getting my bootloader straightened out?07:23
xio04there are lots of distos and not enough time to try them all.  which is why i'm asking questions to decide if its worth my time.07:23
xio04i'm currently looking at screenshots, etc.07:24
CardinalSintx jdud.07:24
xio04i like some of the stuff i'm seeing.07:24
Skifxio04: Then let me say that ubuntu is perhaps the first distribution that I am comfortably using, and yet I would not hesitate to recommend to my mother.07:24
jdubbioborg: you should boot the install cd, jump to a console07:25
xio04Skif-  does your mother know how to umount?07:25
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Skifxio04: not hardly!07:25
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jdubbioborg: mount your hard drive, chroot into it07:25
jdubbioborg: then do a grub install07:25
xio04Skif- does your mother know how to install office xp on linux?07:25
CardinalSinsame here Skif. my wife is keen to try it out.07:25
jdubbioborg: but, i am not familiar enough with grub to really know how to do that properly07:25
SkifNotwithstanding that I had a most entertaining installation experience, the primary cause of which was my desire to have my default user have a specific uid/gid. :)07:25
jdubbioborg: or explain how to do it given your hardware07:26
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Skifxio04: I daresay I don't know how to install office xp on linux, except perhaps through the intermediary of vmware.07:26
xio04big obsticles, but there possible right now. the question is how far has the distribution taken it, or is able to take it.  commerial distros like xandros can, but non-commerial distros can do a lot too.07:26
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xio04Skif i believe winex will instlal office xp07:27
Skifxio04: now, were you to ask about, say, OpenOffice, then I'm sure she wouldn't know how to install that either.07:27
xskoulaxxio04: imho ubuntu gets desktop linux right, they have chosen the toolset they want, and provided it in an easy to install, easy to use, fast distro07:27
Skifxio04: no doubt, but I've yet to feel either the desire or the need to do so.07:27
bioborgjdub: great idea, I just got there myself from the grub howto, thanks.07:27
xio04Skif, true.  what i'm getting at is, i don't want to have to go and assist every time they want to install a program.  which is what i would have to do.  i can't say 'windows is better then linux' if get the wrong impression.07:28
bioborgjdub: df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directorydf: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directoryCould not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.07:28
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bioborgahh, mounted read-only07:28
Skifxio04: well, I am not hugely fond of synaptic, for reasons of my own, but I don't doubt that it is reasonably functional for the purpose, even for newbies07:28
bash_i can use the package. of the debian testing in my ubuntu ?07:28
bash_or debian unstable.. ?07:29
Skifbash_: I wouldn't recommend it, though it might be technically possible.07:29
bash_.deb07:29
jdubbash_: we don't encourage it -> have you looked for what you want in universe/multiverse?07:29
bash_uhm okey..07:29
xio04i am currently installed openoffice in place of office xp, but if they wanted to install a windows program, it would be nice to see winex automatically load the setup.exe from a cd for anything they insert.  at least it will be like windows crashing as opposed to just not being able to do it because its linux.07:29
Skifbash_: one of the major advantages of ubuntu is that it releases every 6 months, so you don't have instant access to the latest stuff, but when you do, it just works.07:29
bash_were have good repositoried of ubuntu07:30
xio04i don't think it's ready, and i'm affraid i can't start reccomending people who are computer illiterate use linux because they will get a negative impression and turn them off for good.07:30
jdubxio04: that's fine. you don't have to.07:31
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xio04better to install openoffice, and such programs instead on windows. for the time being.  eventually, give it a few months another year.  it's so much farther then it was in 1995, let alone in the last year it will take much longer to be perfect.07:32
Skifxio04: I would, but only on the understanding that they required only a limited selection of packages, and that they understood I was not at their beck and call for the purpose of installing any software that came to their fancy.07:32
xskoulaxxio04: infact if its going to give them a negative impression its better they don't get on the bandwagon yet07:32
Pizbitxio04: Got them onto using firefox too? 1.0 is due out within 2 week07:32
SkifI find, myself, that truly computer illiterate folk have few requirements, and that, once trained on a specific installation, are loath to change it for any reason.07:32
xio04xskoulax well, see i've allready given people a negative impression with linux i think.  they are uneazy about it, and if they can't do it themselves they don't want it.07:33
jdubok, dudes07:33
SkifA friend of mine has his mother using Linux, though I doubt she would be able to tell you anything about it other than her son has repeatedly insisted to her that "it's not windows".07:33
jduboff-topic discussion elsewhere please :)07:33
PizbitSkif: Hehe07:33
timothy_IMO the best way to make people currently stuck on (or used to) Windows interested in Linux is by giving them software which is truly cross platform. (Kudos to the Ubuntu devs for including stuff from TheOpenCD!)07:33
timothy_File formats are the bolt in the nose of most software users.07:34
xio04yea, i got quite a few people using firefox.  i'm thinking of pushing out mozilla 1.6 or whatever it is, it seems better in some respects compatability wise.  i would suggest konqueror for linux though.07:34
xskoulaxxio04: if they are not ready for linux yet, get them on the road with openoffice/firefox etc and let the work from there07:34
Pizbitxio04: Default browser for Ubuntu is firefox07:34
xskoulaxs/the/them07:34
PizbitMozilla(Seamonkey) is also bloated when you just want a browser07:35
timothy_If after a while people like the cross-platform free software, and they realize that Linux not only runs it but also comes with Frozen Bubble ...07:35
xio04i think getting them used to open source is the best solution to convert windows uers to linux..  definatly.07:35
timothy_sold!07:35
xskoulaxlol @ timothy_07:35
xio04i can't stand windows xp, thats all i know.07:35
jdubguys07:35
jdubbugs in ubuntu == on-topic07:36
|progenic|but to tell the truth how will be the future of software industry ? if all of ppl using open source ?07:36
jdubbugs in the world == off-topic07:36
jdublet's concentrate on ubuntu here :)07:36
DragoonI can't seem to get my broadband to work on ubuntu, I'm using a nic card of uknown make and I'm a complete newbie when it comes to linux, any help would be nice07:36
hectorvsi need help with i8k...07:36
jdubDragoon: can you run lspci in a terminal?07:36
xio04progenic if you combine open source with commerial i think linux will be Extremly successfull.07:36
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=== Pizbit is tempted to be pedantic on what jdub just said:)
jdubDragoon: then paste the line that says 'Ethernet' in it07:37
|progenic|xio04, example ?07:37
hectorvswhen i shutdown it says "unloading i8kbuttons" but they're not working...07:37
xio04:)  time for me to head out, ha?07:37
xio04progenic  xandros provides a free version, without winex, and a few pay versions with, in addition to extra functionality.  i think this is a great combination, or start.07:38
Dragoonjdub: 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 32)07:38
jdubDragoon: ok, now type:07:38
jdublsmod | grep tulip07:38
xio04now i'm going..  one last thing  i think driverloader is another program that should be added to xandros, or any windows-friendly distro.07:39
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CardinalSinman, Ubuntu rocks. I have not enjoyed my computer this much for a long time.07:40
|progenic|yeah i must admit too07:40
xio04CardinalSin i say that every time i install a new distro.07:40
|progenic|i haven't boot to windows for almost 1 week+07:40
swab_once you get mplayer installed it rocks07:40
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hectorvsswab: true that07:41
Dragoonjdub: ok it brought up a few things, need me to post it here probably right07:41
xio04havn't had windows in over a year..  gone are the days of crashing and ohh yea. stupid stupid wizards.07:41
CardinalSinna xio04, i also do the ditro tango. and this one, as is, just feels good from the get go.07:41
jdubDragoon: if it has a line with tulip in it, that's a good start07:41
Dragoonjdub: yes it does the first line is tulip07:41
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jdubDragoon: ok, try this:07:42
jdubifconfig -a | grep encap07:42
jdubhow many lines, and what's the first thing on each line?07:42
CardinalSinanyway, time to do the laundry. cheers all.07:42
Dragoonjdub: three lines in order from top to bottom    eth0, lo, sit007:43
|progenic|i'm very excited to see how the software industry goes in the future :D07:43
jdubDragoon: cooL!07:43
|progenic|especially open source07:43
jdubDragoon: can you run Computer > System Configuration > Networking?07:44
Dragoonjdub: its open now07:44
xio04i wouldn't mind comercial software, if they would just open source it, and charge for technical support/simpler front end.  thats the direction i would like to see it take07:44
jdubDragoon: does it have eth0 in the list?07:44
jdubxio04: dude, please, somewhere else07:44
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Dragoonjdub: Type: ethernet LAN card    Device: eth007:45
jdubDragoon: rock!07:45
jdubDragoon: click properties, and set it up how you want it07:45
jdubDragoon: then just click on the 'active' checkbox07:45
Dragoonjdub: ok I'll give it a go, have to disconnect from here to do so cause I'm using my cable modem on my windows machine to get here07:45
jdubyou might also want to switch on 'activate when computer starts' in the properties07:46
jdubDragoon: ok :)07:46
Dragoonjdub: thanks for the help and hopefully I'll be on ubuntu when I come back07:46
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mbbanyone care to enlighten me some on when/if to file a bug report. Am having sound weirdness on thinkpad 390x, posted to list, but no solution yet.07:49
danielsmbb: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com07:50
mbbreason I hesitate to bug it is its likely to not be ubuntu specific - also present in knoppix, gnoppix.07:51
mbbalso hoping for more ideas in troubleshooting it, for more bug info to write up.07:52
binary_10has anyone had any issues with k3b?07:52
binary_10on thier web site it says dont use kernel 2.6.807:52
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SolkarisGreetings and Salutations07:56
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Dragoonjdub I have another question07:57
jdubDragoon: did that work?07:57
Dragoonjdub: when I click the active box it unchecks itself07:58
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jdubhmm07:58
hectorvsanyone... could u give me some ideas to troubleshoot my i8k problem?... where should i start looking?07:58
jdubwhat did you put in the properties dialogue?07:58
plovs_workmbb, write it anyway, if it is a good report people will look at it07:58
Dragoonjdub: Automatic (DHCP) because that is what my ISP provides I am pretty sure cause on my windows machine ipconfig shows DHCP enabled07:59
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rushibhaihi all07:59
jdubDragoon: ok08:00
rushibhaiany idea when 2.6.9 packages will be out?08:00
mbbplovs: OK, thank you, I'll work on writing up what I know so far.08:00
jdubDragoon: in a terminal, can you run 'sudo ifup eth0' ?08:00
jdubrushibhai: there won't be 2.6.9 pacakges for warty08:00
rushibhaihumm.. sad.08:01
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Dragoonjdub: interface eth0 already configured08:01
jdubrushibhai: warty is a stable release, we don't do version upgrades in it08:01
jdubDragoon: aha08:01
rushibhaijdub: thanks for the info, i'll get the vanilla ones then.08:01
jdubDragoon: do sudo ifdown eth008:01
jdubrushibhai: then you lose all the advantages of the ubuntu kernels08:01
rushibhaijdub: yeah, but i am itching for a kernel compile right now :)08:02
jdubrushibhai: new kernels will be available in our next release (and on the development branch of it)08:02
Dragoonjdub: ok this one had listed a bit more information...anything I should look for in particular as I can't copy paste...I have to type it out sadly08:02
rushibhaijdub: i don't feel like going to hoary, it changes too fast for comfort.08:02
jdubDragoon: nah, it's just trying to DHCP08:02
Hikaru79Good night, #ubuntu ^ ^08:02
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Hikaru79See you in the morning :)08:02
jdubDragoon: type sudo ifdown eth0 again08:02
jdubDragoon: then try connecting it to your cable modem and turning it on again08:03
jdubDragoon: it was just in a confused state :)08:03
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Dragoonjdub: ok I'll give that a go then return whether it works or not08:03
amohamedI just installed Ubuntu for the first time. I got an apt error during the install. I tried an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm getting an error on emacs-install emacs21. Anyone know what this is about? I looked in the forums but couldn't find anything on it.08:05
Pizbitamohamed: And the error is...??08:06
amohamedhang on. let me copy the error off my laptop.08:07
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arafatPizbit, here's the error:08:09
arafatSetting up emacs21 (21.3+1-5ubuntu4) ...08:10
arafatemacs-install emacs2108:10
arafatinstall/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs2108:10
arafat/usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common: line 61: emacs21: command not found08:10
arafatemacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, <TSORT> line 3.08:10
arafatdpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure):08:10
arafat subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 12708:10
arafatdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ubuntu-desktop:08:10
arafat ubuntu-desktop depends on emacs21; however:08:10
arafat  Package emacs21 is not configured yet.08:10
arafatdpkg: error processing ubuntu-desktop (--configure):08:10
arafat dependency problems - leaving unconfigured08:10
arafatErrors were encountered while processing:08:10
burnboyack08:10
arafat emacs2108:10
arafat ubuntu-desktop08:10
arafatE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)08:10
burnboyyou know...private message would have been good for this.08:10
Pizbitarafat: Read the damned topic08:10
arafatI'm really sorry. won't happen again.08:11
jdubPizbit: be nice, please08:11
PizbitMmkay:)08:12
hectorvsdo i have to recompile my kernel to make i8k work?08:12
arafatanyways, anyone know why I can't get emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop to install?08:13
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enablhi all, have the hoary repositories got the 2.6.9 kernel?08:20
Thoranyone here ?08:22
Thorhow do i install xfce ?08:22
jdubenabl: no08:23
arafatI would think you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the universal packages and search in there.08:23
jdubThor: as i said before, search for it in synaptic and install it08:23
cenerentolaciao a tutti... ppl since ive downloaded ubuntu far earlier the warty release... i suppose that packages ive been updated..08:23
cenerentolaso how can i do dist-upgrade in synaptic08:23
Thori serached, found xfce08:23
Thorthen double clicked08:24
arafatthor: apt-get install xfce08:24
Thorit did some stuff08:24
PizbitThor: Did you click to apply?08:24
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Thorthen opened terminal window did some more stuff then it said finished, you may close terminal window08:24
Thoryeah i applied it08:25
arafatthor: log out of gnome. When you log in again, see if it shows up in your sessions.08:25
Thorit doesnt08:25
Thordo i need to install ALL the components that came up in the search for xfce ?08:26
cenerentolahey hey...?08:26
Thoror only need to install xfce ?08:26
arafatthor: check the description for the xfce package. See what it says.08:26
Thorok, im installing xfce4 now08:27
Thorlet see what that does08:27
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arafatI'm trying to search the ubuntu site for documentation on the different apt repositories. Anyone feel like being a saint and saving me some time?08:29
Treenaksarafat: vim /etc/apt/sources.list ;)08:30
Treenaksarafat: it has examples..08:30
tiago_hi there, where I can put a script to run on startup, I think the correct place is init.d, but wich file? Or I can create a new file..., sorry by newbea questio ;)08:30
Treenakstiago_: what do you want to run?08:30
moonikerin the sources.list, what's the difference between deb and deb-src? I mean, how does it affect package installation?08:31
Treenaksdeb is for packages, deb-src is for sources08:31
arafatTreenaks, all I see is warty and universe? Is there more? I saw a short link to a third repository and was trying to get more info (I lost the link. I saw it at work and can't find it again).08:31
Treenaks(with deb-src things, you can "apt-get source packagename" to get the source08:31
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tiago_Treenaks, I don't know why it removes my symblink of my modem in /dev08:31
moonikerSo if I choose sources, it just downloads the sources?08:32
Treenakstiago_: that's udev, you'll want to read this:08:32
Treenakstiago_: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php08:32
Treenaksmooniker: no08:32
tiago_Treenaks, good, thx08:32
Elw0od_21hi all08:32
Treenaksmooniker: it always downloads packages (apt-get install etc.)08:32
arafatmooniker, you can get it to compile and install on your system from deb-src. man apt-get. There's differenct options.08:32
Treenaksmooniker: it's just that if you need the source (to fix a bug, for example), you can get it using "apt-get source packagename", and you can even build a custom package from those sources08:33
Treenaksarafat: warty is the distribution, "main", "restricted", "universe" and "multiverse" are repositories.08:33
moonikerOK, thanks.08:33
Treenaksmain contains the 'basic' installation (gnome, e.d.: all supported packages), restricted contains "restricted-but-useful" modules (NVidia, for example)08:34
arafatTreenaks, multiverse was what I was trying to find. Thank you.08:34
Treenaksuniverse is a snapshot of Debian sid from late june (stabilized a bit, no support)08:34
Treenaksend mutiverse is debian nonfree/contrib08:34
timothy_Treenaks: thanks for the explan. I was trying to figure out from the conversation what each of those meant.08:35
arafatTreenaks, I don't suppose you know why apt-get errors out on installing emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop?08:36
arafatTreenaks, new install. First time using ubuntu.08:36
Treenaksarafat: what's the specific error?08:36
arafatTreenaks, I'll send the file.08:37
Treenaksarafat: no, just use pastebin.com08:37
arafatTreenaks, that's what I'm trying to do. I think I posted with your nick by mistake.08:38
Treenaksarafat: weird...08:38
arafatTreenaks, I also tried a --configure on both with no success. Like I said, new install, let it do it's default thing.08:39
Treenaksarafat: try aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop08:39
Treenaksarafat: (you should have that from a fresh install, but who knows..)08:39
Pizbitubuntu-desktop is a meta-package anyway, you should be able to safely remove it I believe08:39
arafatTreenaks, still getting errors.08:39
arafatTreenaks, with aptitude install.08:40
TreenaksPizbit: yes but you don't want that08:40
Treenaksarafat: did you check your CD image?08:40
arafatTreenaks, I edited sources.list to not use CD.08:40
Treenaks(md5sum /dev/yourcdromplayer, compare to the md5sums file on the site)08:40
PizbitTreenaks: Several people on the users mailing list said there were no probs with doing so if you needed too08:41
TreenaksPizbit: maybe when hoary comes, I think08:42
arafatPizbit, what about emacs though. I notice that even in Debian, emacs seems to be required for a lot of packages (which I hate cause I'm a vi guy).08:42
Pizbitarafat: Why do you need emacs then?08:42
arafatPizbit, I don't, apparently the system does.08:42
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burnboyso maybe i can ask this again. i get timed out on connections remotely to my ubuntu box through a network but not through a redhat 9 box through the same network...any ideas?08:43
plovs_workwhat is the best app for screenshooting windows? not the whole screen?08:44
Pizbitplovs_work: The gnome-screen-shot application can do that, sadly I only know how to make it do that via the keyboard shortcuts08:44
PizbitAhh08:45
arafatCheck pastebin08:45
arafatGot a problem running md5sum on the CD :(08:45
Pizbitgnome-panel-screenshot --window08:45
plovs_workPizbit, shortcut doesn't work afaik08:45
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plovs_workAlt-Prt right?08:45
timothy_plovs_work: plovs_work -- also, if you might have use for installing anything KDE related, the application ksnapshot is good for that, too.08:46
Pizbitplovs_work: Works for me, I rebound the key08:46
timothy_(if you have network and can install stuff, that is.)08:46
PizbitNot sure what it is by default08:46
plovs_worktimothy_, thanks, but that would be a lot of work for one pic08:46
plovs_workPizbit i'll try08:46
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timothy_plovs_work: Yes :) I'm presently on a (KDE-centric) Mepis system, once in a while I reboot with an Ubuntu live CD ...08:47
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Pizbitplovs_work: Select the window you want a screen shot taken of, hit alt+f2 and run "gnome-panel-screenshot --window"08:47
plovs_workPizbit, rebinding works, Alt-prnt did not ... thanks, there i go08:48
Thorhmm08:48
Thorok, now how do oyu use xfce ?08:48
plovs_worktimothy_, mepis was quite nice... but i prefer ubuntu nowadays... and kde well, let's not get into that fight again (what do you think of emacs -vi? .. ah no)08:49
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Thorwheres all thesettings in xfce ?08:49
Dragoonjdub: the network settings freezes up when I try to activate eth0....hope you're still around08:50
jdubDragoon: d'oh!08:52
jdubDragoon: perhaps just try to do 'sudo ifup eth008:52
jdubinstead of using the gui08:52
jdubthen we can see if there are any errors08:52
Dragoonjdub: well I messed with it for a bit, if I activate the eth0 with the cable modem not hooked up, it gives me the busy symbol, then closes after a bit, yet when I reopen I'm back to the box being unchecked.08:54
jdubyeah08:54
jdubtry from the command line08:54
Dragoonjdub: I just get the interface eth0 already configured08:54
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jdubthen do sudo ifdown eth008:54
jduband ifup again08:54
Dragoonalso not sure if this matters or not but when booting it takes awhile on the network configuration part of the boot up08:55
Thordoes this thing ubuntu have KDE ?08:55
danielsThor: you can install it if you want, yes08:55
jdubDragoon: yeah, it's probably waiting around for dhcp, but not connected08:55
jdubThor: kde is unsupported, but available in universe08:55
Dragoonjdub: sort of sucks cause I can't be on here asking for help while I'm connect through my modem, I don't have a router and only have the one cable modem08:56
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jdubyeah 8)08:56
Thorwhat does unsuported mean ?08:56
Thorwell fxce worked really well08:56
Thorbut it didnt have many options and stuff08:57
pastyhermitIm tryin to install the latest nvidia drivers but I cant get my kernel source, synaptic says 2.6.7 is the latest but I am running 2.6.8.108:57
PizbitThor: It means no one is looking after it to make sure it works.08:57
jdubpastyhermit: the nvidia drivers are available in ubuntu already08:57
pastyhermitwhere do I get the ubuntu08:57
jdubpastyhermit: install nvidia-glx08:57
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psyklopsscyuzzies... quick question, what provides /dev/sequencer?08:57
pastyhermitjdub, its not that my display is at 16bpp, I want it at 24bpp08:57
deFryskwhat done : sudo nvidia-glx-config enable08:57
deFryskwhat* when08:58
pastyhermitits not GLX I want a better color pallette08:58
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deFrysksudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set it at 2408:58
pastyhermitand I cant find eclipse in synaptic08:58
pastyhermitdeFrysk, I already edit XF86Config-408:59
pastyhermitbut no change08:59
elwoodpsyklops,  are u using alsa?08:59
pastyhermitthats why I WANT THE NVIDIA driver :D08:59
deFryskpastyhermit, thats not the debian way ;)08:59
psyklopsyeah08:59
pastyhermitdeFrysk, no its the linux way08:59
deFryskpasty , what i said earlyer08:59
pastyhermitregardless where do I get the kernel source08:59
pastyhermitI dont get what glx has to do with the color pallete09:00
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deFryskpastyhermit, read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto09:00
deFryskand next time try the debian way09:00
elwoodpsyklops,  when u compile the kernel enable sequencer module and load it09:01
psyklopsack... requires a recompile of the kernel?09:01
pastyhermitdeFrysk, I just want the kernel source09:01
psyklopscould I have it in a module?09:01
pastyhermitrestarting X09:02
pastyhermitthis probably wont work09:03
pastyhermitso where do I get the ubuntu kernel source09:03
deFryskpastyhermit, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.109:03
pastyhermittsank you :D09:03
deFryskand have fun09:03
deFrysk;p09:03
deFrysk?09:03
Thoris KDE heavier than GNOME09:04
Thor?09:04
deFrysksame weight09:04
mctavishG'day. According to nautilus help, there is a 'file types and programmes' preference tool. I can't find it. Can anyone help locate it?09:04
deFryskabout 50 grams09:04
Thorhhmm09:05
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Thorhmm09:05
deFryskThor, kde is kinda bloated09:05
deFrysklosta lot09:05
Thorits funny homw GNOME doesnt have optison for slow comps09:05
elwoodi love openbox09:05
deFryskI love 64 bit processors09:06
psyklopstheres no way to get /dev/sequencer short of compiling the kernel?09:06
psyklopsI have no source on hand09:06
psyklopslet alone a kernelconfig09:06
psyklopsI'm running on an image09:06
Thorso whats the lightest interface ?09:07
deFryskblackbox waimea09:07
Thori liked fxce or whatever it was09:07
deFryskfluxbox09:07
deFryskxfce4 is light gtk209:07
elwoodor fluxbox09:07
Thoris fluxbox fxce ?09:07
deFryskno09:08
elwoodno..09:08
Thoryeah, i was using xfce 409:08
Thorthat was heaps cool, but it didnt have many options09:08
deFryski used it but got bored with it09:08
deFryskand my pc has planty speed for gnome09:08
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matt_jdub: it works!09:09
Thormine doesnt09:09
matt_jdub: I'm Dragoon btw...forgot to log out of my other computer when I left IRC09:09
jdubmatt_: :)09:09
jdubrock!09:09
matt_Thanks a lot for the help09:10
Thorwhats fluxbox like ?09:11
Thorarethere any screeners of it ?09:11
jdubprobably on the fluxbox website09:12
jdubmctavish: that dialogue is no longer in gnome09:12
izhttp://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php09:12
mctavishjdub. Thanks, guessed so. Help needs updating ...09:13
jdubyeah09:13
psyklopsis there any other way to get /dev/sequencer?09:17
psyklopsI can't really compile for it09:17
Treenakspsyklops: load OSS emulation?09:18
psyklopsokay...09:18
Thorhmm09:18
psyklopshow?09:18
psyklopsheh09:18
Thorfluxbox is no good09:18
Treenakspsyklops: but that's just a temporary solution.. you'll need to re-write the program to use ALSA eventually09:18
TreenaksThor: why not?09:18
Thoryou gotta write command in it09:18
psyklopswell, temporary is fine09:18
psyklopsits just for tonight anyway09:18
Thorits got no icons and stuff09:18
TreenaksThor: so? that doesn't make it worse :)09:19
TreenaksThor: (only better, imho)09:19
Thorwell it does make it worse, when you dont know anything at all about computers :P09:19
psyklopshow do I load OSS emu?09:19
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jdubThor: i recommend sticking to gnome or xfce09:20
Thorhttp://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg <-- is it complicated to get that toolbar up ???09:20
TreenaksThor: toolbar? where?09:20
Thorlook at that screen shot09:21
TreenaksThor: yes.. I don't see a toolbar09:21
Thorthat fluxdesk thing09:21
Treenaksdunno about it09:21
Treenaksshould be easy09:21
Thorhave you gone tothat site ?09:21
Thoryou dont see that fluxdesk thing on there ?09:22
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TreenaksThor: I am looking at the screenshot09:22
TreenaksThor: I just don't know, as I haven't used fluxbox for about a year09:22
Thoroic09:22
Treenaksbut it shouldn't be too hard09:23
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Thorsomething like that would be great for me09:24
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grubermanWhen I remove a package with apt, does it also remove the dependencies of that package?09:28
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Pizbitgruberman: No09:29
Thortreenaks, how can i install themes ??09:31
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PizbitThor: Unpack them into ~/.themes if it's just for your user09:31
Thorand it will automatically work when i start it up agian ?09:32
PizbitOnce you've install them there you can switch via running gnome-theme-manager09:32
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grubermanPizbit : ok.. Is there any other package manager in the reps that works that way?09:33
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Pizbitgruberman: You can create a filter in synaptic to show the orphaned packages which you can then select to remove09:34
jdubgruberman: aptitude does that, but it's a bit hard to use (i think)09:34
grubermanOk, I'm used to pacman. Ill try both ways Pizbit and jdub!09:35
Pizbitjdub: Perhaps synaptic should have the filter by default?09:35
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jdubi must admit, i haven't used it a lot... 8)09:35
jdubi probably should get used to it09:36
PizbitMe neither, but it appears more than just one or two are asking09:36
Thorpiz, where exactly is the themes folder ?09:36
PizbitThor: ~ means your home directory09:37
Thorim trying to extract the theme, but dont knwo where to extract it to09:37
PizbitSo look in .themes , it may not exist yet though, in which case you need to create it09:37
Thorok09:37
Thorwell09:37
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Thorin Home, ther was only Desktop, and My FOlders09:38
Thorso i created  Themes folder09:38
Pizbit. files/folders are hidden so you may need to show them09:38
Mithrandirlifeless: pong09:38
PizbitThor: In nautilus Edit -> Show hidden files09:38
grubermanjdub : It looks like aptitude removes deps. and there's something called deborphan that helps with removing deps too.09:40
grubermanAh, Ubunti install finished09:40
Thoryep09:40
Thorok the files are in there now09:40
grubermanor ubuntu rather09:40
Thornow what do i do ?09:40
Thorthis is a Fluxbox theme btw, and atm its booted into GNOME09:41
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Thornope, fluxbox theme09:42
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thoreauputicthor, if it's a fluxbox theme, it should go in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles09:43
thoreauputicthor, read http://fluxbox.org09:44
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Thori dont see anything there on installing themes :(09:49
Thorstill here ?09:51
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thoreauputicyes09:52
thoreauputic:)09:52
thoreauputicThor, they are just text files, really09:53
Thorso what do i do ?09:53
Thori dloaded the theme, and its got two folders in it09:54
thoreauputicThor, first have a look at the directory /usr/share/fluxbox/styles09:54
Thoryeah, there are like 15 files in there already09:54
Thori tried copy/pasting the folders from the theme, but they wont paste into that folder form reason09:55
thoreauputicthor, you should find the folders you downloaded will just go in there: do they need to be extracted ( are they tar.gz or something?)09:55
Thorive already extracted them09:56
thoreauputicThor, you might need to do it with root permissions using sudo09:56
Thorhehe, please explain :)09:56
Thoropen terminal and type sudo root ?09:56
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thoreauputicThor, what directory do you have them in now? The extracted files?09:57
Thorumm, home/fluxbox09:58
thoreauputicThor, Ok you have that dir open in nautilus, right?09:59
Thorsorry for this mate, i jsut really suck at this :)09:59
Thoryep09:59
thoreauputicit's ok09:59
thoreauputicThor, try closing nautilus, then in a terminal type sudo nautilus /home/fluxbox &10:00
thoreauputicThor, actually just typing sudo nautilus should be enough for now if you prefer10:00
Thoryep typed that10:02
Thorsudo nautlius10:02
thoreauputicThor, to explain: if you run nautilus with sudo, you should be able to access and write to any file on your system10:02
thoreauputicThor, nautilus (spelling or typo?)10:02
thoreauputicThor, has it opened?10:03
Thoryeah10:03
Thorso what do i copy into the usr/share/f;uxbox/styles folder ?10:04
Thordo i copy the folder there, or just that one file thats similar to the ones already in ther e10:04
Thor?10:04
thoreauputiconce you have it open, you should be able to do a drag and drop or copy -paste to the  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles dir . Look at the files and see where they should go - probably in the styles dir10:05
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Thori copied the whole folder into the styles directory10:05
thoreauputicThor, it depends on the style - some have two directory entries10:06
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Thoryes, this one does10:06
thoreauputicThor, that might work - I don't know which styles you have etc10:06
Thori have two folders, one is fluxbox, the other is gtk10:07
thoreauputicThor, you might have to do a bit of thinking about it10:07
Thorinside fluxbox folder there is a styles folder10:07
thoreauputicthe gtk one is to give gtk apps a native look10:07
Thorinside that folder, there is a file that appears to be similar to the files in the fluxbox styles folder atm10:08
thoreauputicThor, it's hard to say without seeing what you actually have10:08
Thorok, qn10:08
Thorhow do i load the style ?10:08
thoreauputicthor, then copy those files into the styles folder10:08
Thorok copied10:10
thoreauputicThor, when you use fluxbox, those styles should show up in the right-click menu10:10
thoreauputicunder styles, funnily enough ;)10:10
Thorshould i try it ?10:10
thoreauputicif not, go back and fiddle until they do... yeah try it - why not?10:10
Thorcos when i last tried fluxbox, it didnt have nay styles in the right click menu10:10
psyklopsI'm running an app and it says it can't find /dev/sequencer, but I look and /dev/sequencer is there, possible causes are?10:11
thoreauputicThor, it should - something is wrong otherwise10:11
psyklops(it actually says "permission denied"10:11
psyklopswait no...  that was something else I tested...10:11
psyklopsI tried cat'ing something to the sequencer... and got "permission denied"10:11
Thorin the fluxbox menu ther is only xterm, restart and exit10:12
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thoreauputicThor, hang on  a minute while I look at my other flux install (on an old box on the network)10:13
Thorsure :)10:13
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thoreauputicThor, looks like your menu hasn't been automatically configured on install - that's a dpkg/apt problem10:14
thoreauputicThor, you might have to learn to make your own menu - are you willing to try it?10:15
Thorso what do i do /10:15
thoreauputic^^^10:15
Thornah :P10:15
thoreauputicThor, it isn't hard10:15
Thorim not skillled enough and i dont got the time10:15
Thorwell, can you run me through it ?10:15
lifelessMithrandir: pong10:16
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thoreauputicThor, I can send you mine, but it will only be a sample - you will just use it as a template10:16
Thorok10:16
thoreauputicThor, and put it in ~/.fluxbox/menu in your home directory10:17
Thoractually thoreauputic10:17
thoreauputic?10:17
Thorsee my problem is... i havea 466mhz mashine with 64mb ram10:17
thoreauputicThor, that isn't a problem :)10:18
Thori wnated to get something ot run well on it... and GNOME runs ok, but if there is a way to turnd down its effects, i think it would be goo10:18
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thoreauputicThor, I have flux on a P200 mmx with 64MB RAM10:18
Thorhehe, cool10:18
thoreauputicThor, do you want me to dcc my menu as an example? Or not?10:19
Thori just want that machine to be able to network to this one, and watch movies and eps from this machine10:19
Thoryes please10:19
Thormight as well10:19
thoreauputicThor, I think that was the right file...10:21
thoreauputicThor, I hope ;)10:21
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thoreauputicThor, it won't work for you as is, but you can edit it and save it in .fluxbox/menu10:22
Thorwhoa10:22
thoreauputicThor, it has stuff you won't know about10:22
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thoreauputicThor, do you want me to give a brief explanation?10:23
Thorumm, brief, please ;)10:23
izlesson numero one how to work with fluxbox :)10:24
thoreauputicThor, haha - the [exec]  entries are the commands to launch your apps10:24
thoreauputic[submenu]  gives you branches to your menu10:24
Thorok10:25
thoreauputiceach list has an [end]  entry10:25
Thorso10:25
thoreauputic[config]  you just leave as is - [config]  (Configuration) and so on10:26
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thoreauputicThor, I suggest you make a backup copy called , say, menu.template , then edit to your preferences and save as ~/.fluxbox/menu10:27
thoreauputicnote the dot in .fluxbox10:27
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thoreauputicThor, consider it your first fluxbox hack ;)10:28
Thorahahahah10:28
thoreauputicThor, you can use gedit to do the editing, or whatever10:28
Thorwhat would happen if i used what you just sent me ?10:28
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Mithrandirlifeless: you pinged me six hours ago or so10:29
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thoreauputicThor, a lot of it just wouldn't work because it has remote apps with ssh and stuff you probably don't have installed, but at least it would have a styles entry and so on10:30
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Thorthats all i need :)10:30
Thorisnt it ?10:30
thoreauputicThor, well it's a start: but do learn how to edit your menu - it means you can do whatever you want10:31
lifelessMithrandir: yes, my amd64 hangs10:31
lifelessI've files a bug10:31
lifelessit hangs /hard/10:31
lifelesscan't ping it10:31
Thoryeah i will10:32
thoreauputicThor, welcome to open source, where men are men and files are yours to play with ;)10:32
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Thorahahah10:33
thoreauputicThor, and women are women of course...10:33
Thorare you onw of the ppl who made ubunut10:33
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lifelessctrl-scroll lock does nothing10:33
lifelessalt-sysrq nothing10:33
thoreauputicThor, no I'm a 2 year linux luser :)10:33
Pizbitthoreauputic: Don't forget, the women on irc are either boys or the fbi:)10:33
Pizbit(With a few fat old men thrown in)10:34
thoreauputicPizbit:  or both :)10:34
PizbitHeh10:34
Mithrandirlifeless: ew; same error as last time?10:34
grubermanSometimes they are men in funny clothes10:34
lifelessMithrandir: I dunno, cause I can't get to the console :|10:34
lifelessbut I presume so :)10:34
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Mithrandirlifeless: hmm, ok, and you didn't do anything special before this?10:36
lifelessnope10:37
lifelessnutting special at all.10:37
lifelessI'm going to try and reproduce the console hang, so I can see if I can get dmesg stuff10:37
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Thorhey thoreauputic10:38
lifelessalso, during the boot, it errors about 'hardware clock inaccessible using all known methods'10:38
Thori replaced the menu file in /home/.fluxbox with the one you gave me10:39
Mithrandirlifeless: echo rtc >> /etc/modules10:39
Thorand it still shows the same menu10:39
thoreauputicthor, hmm... that is not good10:41
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thoreauputicthor ok do this10:41
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Greenskyare there any ubuntu packages for galeon?10:42
thoreauputicThor, hang on a minute - I need to do a bit of a search on the other machine10:42
Thorok, no probs10:42
thoreauputicGreensky, no10:42
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Greenskythoreauputic, any idea how I request that it gets put into universe?10:43
Greenskyor is that not likely to happen?10:43
PizbitWhat's galeon again?10:44
thoreauputicThor,  do this : in a terminal, cd ~/.fluxbox10:44
plovs_workwhat else do i need to do to et samba working? changed /home settings to readable etc, did sudo  smbpasswd -a username10:44
plovs_workbut i can't login10:44
thoreauputicGreensky, apparently it wouldn't build properly10:45
Thorterminal in fluxbox, or gnome ?10:45
Greenskythoreauputic, yeah, I tried to compile it myself, but it didn't work...10:45
thoreauputicThor, either, doean't matter10:45
thoreauputicThor: ok are you in .fluxbox?10:45
skarhi, how do i see a udp data transfer between two computers?10:46
Thoryep10:46
skarcan i use netstat or iptraf?10:46
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Pizbitskar: Both10:46
thoreauputicThor: sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu10:47
plovs_workanybody got samba working here?10:47
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thoreauputicThor: run that to copy it to the right file, OK?10:47
Pizbitplovs_work: Maybe you need a 'valid users = username ' in the share definition, just guessing10:47
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Pizbitplovs_work: Although to be honest I found google the most helpful when trying to setup samba.10:48
Thorit said "missing destination file"10:48
skarpizbit:any idea on how to see the udp port which is receiving the packets and the speed at which data is received in iptraf?10:48
thoreauputicThor: oh dear10:48
Thorfluxbox is screwed isnt it ?10:48
Thori would use fxce10:49
thoreauputicThor: hmm - yours appears to be, yeah10:49
Thori htink thats what its called, but it didnt have many settings and samba didnt wokr :P10:49
thoreauputicThor:  do this : sudo touch /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu10:49
plovs_workPizbit, probably right, and it didn't yet help10:49
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Thorit just wnet ot next line10:51
thoreauputicThor: any output from that command?10:51
Thordid nothing10:51
thoreauputicThor: that's good10:51
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thoreauputicThor: now try   sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu10:51
Thormenu SPACE /etc yes ?10:52
Thoror is it menu/etc10:53
thoreauputicThor: just as I typed it10:53
thoreauputicwith the space10:53
thoreauputicthe space is crucial10:53
SuperLagHow can you get GRUB to dual-boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?  I'm using the same format as my other entries, yet GRUB says file not found, when it tries to load the kernek, even though I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the right person10:54
Thorwell, now it did nothing10:54
Thorjust skipped to next line10:54
thoreauputicThor: heh - silence is good10:54
Thorhehe, cool :)10:54
thoreauputicthat means no errors10:54
thoreauputicThor now try your menu in flux again - you might need to restart fluxbox10:54
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Thoryay10:56
Thorthe menu and all works10:56
thoreauputicThor, wow, and I'm not even surprised :)10:56
Thorhehe10:56
Thorso now how do i get the rest of it to work ?10:57
SuperLagany of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?10:57
thoreauputicThor; but most of the entries will not do anything10:57
thoreauputicThor: try playing with a style or two, if they are showing now10:57
Mithrandiranybody know if SATA DVD burners are supported?10:57
Thoryep, all the styles work10:58
Thorso are you saying that now i will have to make my own menu's10:58
thoreauputicThor: what this means is that the menu you now edit is in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu10:58
Thorto clarify10:59
thoreauputicThor: to edit that you will need to start your editoe with sudo10:59
Thorthe themes on the fluxbox site10:59
Thorthey only change the appearnce, and they dont have their own menus ??10:59
thoreauputicThor: I can't tell you everything, much as I'd like to...10:59
Thorhehe10:59
Thoryeah i know :)11:00
thoreauputicThor: they change the appearance, yes11:00
Thor:(11:00
Thori was hoping to get am nu :P11:00
thoreauputicThor: to edit the menu, run :   sudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu11:00
lifelessMithrandir: I can't get it to do anything other than lockup.11:01
lifelesssuggestions ?11:01
Mithrandirlifeless: kernel debugging isn't my strong side, so not really -- file a bug and get directions from Herbert?11:01
lifelessbug filed already :p11:01
thoreauputicThor: unfortunately it appears the debian installer has not given you a menu so you will have to do some learning11:01
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thoreauputicI mean apt or dpkg, of course11:02
Thorwhen i do that comman,d it shows an empty thing11:02
Thortheres nothing in there11:02
thoreauputicwhich command?11:02
Thorsudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu11:02
thoreauputicThor: well, I don't understand that - here it opens the menu file - maybe a typo?11:03
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Thorit opens the edit thing11:04
thoreauputicThor: what does ls /etc/X11/fluxbox/ say11:04
Thorbut hte mun file appears to be epmty11:04
thoreauputicThor: did you use a capital X ? and two ones  ? X1111:05
SuperLagany of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro? I'm trying to get my entry in grub correct, and it follows the convention for my other distros but when I hit Enter on the line for Ubuntu even though the kernel IS there.  Am I missing something?11:05
Thornvm11:05
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Thori opened the menu file manually11:06
thoreauputicThor: hard to do all this over IRC :(11:06
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SuperLagThor: is that to me?11:06
Thorno superlag11:06
thoreauputicThor: ah, OK but you might find you can't write to it unless you started nautilus as sudo nautilus11:07
Thorthis is gonan take a while ;P11:07
thoreauputicThor: only root has write permissions to that file11:07
tdjbsuperlag: what error do you get?11:07
SuperLagtdjb: file not found11:08
SuperLagtdjb: but I KNOW the file is there, and it's named right11:08
tdjbsuperlag: and you're sure you have the right root point setup?11:09
thoreauputicThor: to find the commands you need for your menu, you do : which <nam-of-program>11:09
SuperLagThe part I'm not sure about is if I'm missing an option for Ubuntu or not...11:09
SuperLagThe other distro is Gentoo, and I tried following that convention, but it didn't work either11:09
SuperLagsda == Gentoo, sdb == Ubuntu11:09
tdjbso your gentoo and ubuntu each have a different root "point" then right?11:10
Thoryou in sydney thoreauputic ?11:11
tdjblike for example on mine i had one setup as hd0,0 and the other would be hd0,111:11
thoreauputicThor, Wollongong (about 85km south of Sydney)11:11
SuperLagtdjb: in my case, its hd0,0 and hd1,011:11
tdjbso those are all ok though?11:12
SuperLagtdjb: www.linuxlooney.com/grub.conf11:13
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Thorwoohoo11:17
tdjbyou don't have your ubuntu kernel in the /boot directory? it's actually in the / directory?11:17
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SuperLagtdjb: it is in /boot, I just modified that... that's Gentoo's weird naming comvention11:18
SuperLagbrb11:18
thoreauputicThor: how's it going?11:20
cenerentolais there any kind of gui ide for mysql [like ms access] ?11:20
elwoodcenerentola,  sure..search on freshmeat.net :)11:22
tdjbcenerentola: phpmyadmin?11:22
cenerentolano... id like to make a gui for a database11:22
cenerentolagraphical interface... not for the administration but for the normal us11:23
cenerentolae11:23
Treenakscenerentola: like .. gnomedb?11:23
cenerentolatreenaks: maybe11:23
cenerentolatreenaks: whats it for?11:24
Treenakshttp://directory.fsf.org/devel/specific/gnomedb.html11:24
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cenerentolatreenaks: is it like visual c++? can i creat gui with the use of the mice?11:26
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cenerentolaanother thing.. is there anything to convert all the .doc archives to a linux-compatible format...11:27
Treenakscenerentola: gnomedb is just the framework11:27
Treenakscenerentola: basically, a generic database library11:28
cenerentolatreenaks: ok and a progams that use it?11:28
jdubcenerentola: try mergeant11:28
jdubit's based on gnomedb11:28
jdubit's a gui like access, only it doesn't have forms yet11:28
Treenaksand then there's the hordes of people who do database stuff in excell because "Access is too complicated"...11:29
Treenaksand of course, you don't ask your IT department.. because they'll say "no" anyway11:29
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cenerentolaand the thing to convert doc into .compatible11:30
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Treenakscenerentola: I use wv, send back plain text.. pisses most Word-senders off :)11:31
Treenakscenerentola: also, sending a .dvi tends to get the point across ;)11:31
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Treenaks("DVI stands for device independant... you can't view it? must be a problem with your device then..")11:31
cenerentolatreenaks: what do you mean... sorry but im doing to many things11:32
SuperLagtdjb: nope11:32
SuperLagit doesn't work11:32
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SuperLagstill says file not found11:32
cenerentolato have the opportunity to think11:32
thoreauputicTreenaks: BOFH stuff ... HAHA11:32
grubermancenerentola, you could us gnomedb instead of phpmyadmin to set up your db's? Don't want to install phpmyadmin11:32
cenerentolagruber: no i want a gui creator11:33
grubermank11:33
Thorthoreauputic , iedited the menu11:34
Thorand added firefox to the list :P11:34
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Greenskyhas anyone seen this error w/the ati binary drivers: [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers11:35
Treenaksthoreauputic: hey, it works ;)11:36
thoreauputicTreenaks: I like your style :)11:36
cenerentolatreenaks: wv? what i cant find the website11:36
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tdjbsuperlag: what does fdisk -l show?11:41
tmartinhas anyone here been able to use gdb with ubuntu?11:41
tmartini just installed ubuntu a few days ago and am trying to get it set up for development but im getting all these errors when compiling programs for use with gdb :(11:42
tmartinsome sorta problem with start.S and i dont know where to begin to fix this11:43
Keybuktmartin: do you have build-essential installed?11:45
tmartinyup11:45
ThreeDayMonkI've got gnome-pilot working, and I want to install files - but I don't know where I should put them for the file conduit to pick them up11:45
Keybukcan you /msg me the error you get11:45
tmartinyes one sec11:48
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esrever_otuahi all11:58
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esrever_otuaquick comment on the Totem movie player included with Warty; it doesn't seem to recognise that a *.ogm file is a video file...  I have many *.ogm with the video codec used being XviD and the audio codec vorbis...  It will only play them as audio...12:01
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PizbitTry changing to totem-xine12:01
PizbitOh, have you got the xvid condecs installed?12:02
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ztonzyhi :)12:02
PizbitHey12:02
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esrever_otua*blinks*  Pizbit how?  (what's the easiest way to do that?) I looked in synaptic; do I need to add a 3rd-party repository?12:03
Pizbithttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:03
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ztonzyI am new user of Ubuntu and I trying get Totem to view either .mov .wmv or similar types...how to fix it ? havent found any nice fix for it12:03
Pizbitztonzy: See the link I just pasted too12:03
wm_eddieztonzy: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list12:03
esrever_otuaaha, the old patent issues with mpeg4 raise their head?12:03
Pizbitesrever_otua: Yeah, sucks eh?12:04
esrever_otuaPizbit: c'est la vie :/12:04
PizbitIndeed.12:04
ztonzyso we aren't allowed to view those :O ?12:04
Pizbitztonzy: Did you check out my link?12:04
grubermanhmm... Isn't nicotine in the repositories any longer?12:05
ztonzyPizbit, yes, reading...12:05
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ztonzyhmm12:06
PizbitIt's actually very simple:)12:06
ztonzymaybe...but then I am not native in english either12:06
PizbitBasically edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' then run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'12:07
PizbitDrop the sudo if you're already root hehe12:07
ztonzyah12:07
esrever_otuaPizbit: good link, what I've always found odd is how hard it is to find a good sample sources.list from the debian main page :)12:07
Pizbitesrever_otua: Yeah, debian.org is a bit of a hassle to get infomation out of12:08
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srocchi@all12:08
esrever_otuahi srocc12:08
srocchab da ein seltsames Problem:12:08
sroccgerade ubuntu installiert, hat auch alle funktioniert, doch nun hngt er sich nach dem einlggen auf12:09
sroccbzw macht einfach nicht weiter12:09
Pizbitsrocc: Do you know english?12:09
esrever_otuaon the ++ side, I'm fully impressed with ubuntu and will probably be installing for my father this Christmas when I replace his computer for him.12:09
sroccPizbit: sry12:09
ztonzyPizbit, thanks for help12:09
sroccokay, i hade installed ubuntu an halfe our again12:10
srocc(excuse my bad english)12:10
esrever_otuaAstonishingly, it actually gets the ATI fglrx drivers working (most of the time ;)12:10
wm_eddieI can't wait to get my Ubuntu CDs I'm going to give them away to everybody.12:10
ztonzyhhm does this require totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?12:10
sroccif i log in, the login screen don't come and i cannot enter the gnome desktop12:11
esrever_otuawm_eddie: heh, yep.12:11
sroccgdm works12:11
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Pizbitztonzy: I recommend totem-xine, it seems to work better or so I've heard, personally I use straight xine12:11
esrever_otuasrocc: off a clean install?12:11
afanianhi everyone12:11
esrever_otuaPizbit: xine rocks.12:11
wm_eddiesrocc: Does gnome complain about the .ICEauthority file?12:11
sroccesrever_otua: je i hade logged in one time and no it don't work12:12
ztonzyPizbit, I have tried to locate it...but not been able to find totem-xine :-\12:12
Pizbitztonzy: Have you enabled universe?12:12
afaniangot a problem with installing the ubuntu12:12
sroccPizbit: yes at the moment12:12
esrever_otuasrocc: if you create a new user and log in with them does it work OK?12:12
ztonzyPizbit no...I see now I havent12:12
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Pizbitztonzy: Yeah, enable then apt-get update again12:12
sroccesrever_otua: no it don't i get an error in /var/log/messages *mom*12:12
esrever_otuasrocc: what video card do you use?12:13
sroccesrever_otua: nvidia12:13
afaniangot a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system12:13
ztonzyPizbit, if I install totem-xine...it also seems to remove totem-gstreamer and uh!  ubuntu-desktop...should it be like that ?12:13
afaniani get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong12:13
esrever_otuasrocc: with the nvidia driver, or the xorg builtin driver?12:14
Pizbitztonzy: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it doesn't hurt to go away, the totem-gstreamer has to go:)12:14
Pizbittotem-xine replaces totem-gstreamer :)12:14
ztonzyPizbit, ok...so I am safe :D12:14
sroccesrever_otua: the standard driver12:15
wm_eddiesrocc: My problem with not being able to log in was that ~/.ICEauthority didn't have the correct permissions. You might want to check that if it's not a problem with your video card driver.12:15
wm_eddieAnd now I go to sleep. it's 6am...12:15
deFryskwm_eddie, that has to do with installing k3b12:16
sroccwm_eddie: okay, i will look12:16
HauntedUnixafanian: Please, keep conversation in #ubuntu. However i'm sure asking the channel your question will produce all the answers you need12:16
deFrysknothing to do with nv drivers12:16
wm_eddiedeFrysk: Ahhh ok...12:16
afaniangot a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system12:16
afaniani get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong12:16
Pizbitafanian: Did the cd burn properly?12:16
afanianyeah12:17
afanianeverything goes ok untill that12:17
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esrever_otuadeFrysk: probably not, I asked as i've had problem like that with gnome+ati card *shrugs* :)12:17
sroccwm_eddie: -rw------ are the rights of this file12:17
ztonzyPizbit, thanks! it works :D12:17
sroccthe owner is srocc and i logg in as srocc12:17
Pizbitztonzy: No probs:)12:18
sroccthere ist a problem with gconf.xml.mandatory12:19
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sroccis the message of /var/log/messages12:19
deFrysksrocc did you use aanything other then the defaults during install ?12:19
afanianPizbit : the cd did burn properly, and other things work properly till then12:20
srocch12:20
sroccm12:20
sroccdeFrysk: i made an /boot partition12:20
fishytimlonghow does one change the screen resolution? I know my video card/screen can handle more than 1024x768, but in the change resolution window, i don't get any better options.12:20
sroccand a swap parition by hand12:20
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deFrysksrocc, I ment during the sec part of the install (after reboot)12:21
sroccno i don't think so12:21
Treenaksfishytimlong: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and select "medium" or "advanced" monitor configuration.. and select the resolutions you want12:21
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Pizbitafanian: cd still may not have burnt properly, any errors in alt+F1 onwards?12:21
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deFryskdo you have a seperate /home partition srocc ?12:22
sroccdeFrysk: no12:22
deFrysksrocc, the default setup should work fine12:22
DXTis there a standalone application for gnome such as the gdesklets starterbar? osx style thingie :)12:22
sroccit doesn't12:22
deFrysksrocc, no clue12:22
srocchm12:22
srocci make an update atm12:23
srocci hope it will work12:23
afanianPizbit: ok, sorry i'm a total begginer, alt+f1, what does that do and where can i check that?12:23
Pizbitafanian: alt+f1 or alt+f2 should change what you're looking at and might show some errors12:23
afanianPizbit: it says it exits with error 1, does that mean anything to you?12:25
fishytimlongTreenaks: thanks12:25
Pizbitnope12:25
afanianso you think it's probably the cd then?12:26
deFryskafanian, does the sreen turn red ?12:27
deFryskduring the error ?12:27
deFryskscreen12:27
deFryskafanian, cleaning the disk might help12:28
afanianno it just aborts, and gives the red message saying it couldn't complete it12:30
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afanianand exits with error 112:30
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esrever_otuasrocc: possibly the installer b0rked the permissions on that file? (/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory) or maybe the cd is a bad burn?12:30
fishytimlongcan you recommend a decent c++ IDE that works well with ubuntu? (I'm quite a linux noobie, though i used kdevelop breifly)...usually do all my development on MSVC++)12:30
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arun--ubuntu is great, i am very happy with it12:31
afanianPizbit: if it's the cd, can i find it out from the alt+F1 or F2?12:31
arun--but i have a minor problem with the laptop cooling fan12:32
Pizbitnope12:32
arun--it runs all the time even if the temperature is 43 C12:32
arun--any idea?12:32
Daenzellohi people, i wish to start some soft (xbindkeys, idesk) at the start of X, any idea of th do that ? (something like ~/.Xprofile with the slackware's gdm)12:32
afanianok, i'll try installing it again and then come back12:33
AardDaenzello: .xinitrc, .xsession, depending on the way you start X12:33
afanianthanks for the time Pizbit12:33
afanian:D12:33
Daenzelloif i add "/usr/bin/xbindkeys &" to .xsession gnome doesnt start -_- is there a syntaxe to use ?12:34
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sroccokay i see the problem12:35
mdzDaenzello: computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs12:35
Daenzelloah coool12:36
Daenzelloi use gnome since yesterday ^^12:36
sroccon /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.default on position  0 ist only geadebl12:36
sroccreadabl12:36
arun--can someone please answer my questoin? thank you12:37
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esrever_otuaarun--: how new/old is laptop?12:43
arun--esrever_otua: it is pretty new, i would say about 10 months .. it is IBM Think Pad T4112:44
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esrever_otuaarun--: hmmm.  I have IBM R40 lappy with 2.6.8 kernel (the laptop runs Fedora).  Everything seems to work OK for me...  does this command give you output?:::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature'12:46
grubermanDoes anyone know about any good trackers for linux?12:48
arun--esrever_otua: yes it returns "temperature    42 C"12:49
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esrever_otuaarun--: then acpi works ok, so it has no excuse... :( what about::::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points'12:52
burnboyhow can i find out what driver is being used for my network card?12:54
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Pizbitgruberman: trackers?12:55
arun--esrever_otua: critical (S5): 93 C12:55
arun--esrever_otua: passive: 90 C: tc1=5 tc2=4 tsp=600 devices=0xeff5e4c012:55
arun--esrever_otua: the fan is not loud or anything, but it rarely runs under winxp unless the cpu or the hardisk is stressed, but in ubuntu, it always runs12:57
grubermanPizbit, oldchool way of making music. linux isn't exactly on top when it comes to music production ;)12:57
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lmlI am trying to get transcode on my Ubuntu box. I have found transcode in the marillat repo, but when trying to apt-get it I get and error that libjasper cannot be found. Any ideas?01:00
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Aardlml: the marrilat mplayer binaries suck a bit, imo it's better to build it from scratch. follow the docs at the mplayer homepage.01:01
lmlAard: That is the other thing, I have been trying to compile transcode from scratch, but am having trouble getting a working development environment.01:02
lmlAard: Something about the preprocessor is not sane.01:02
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Aardlml: tried to upgrade the gcc-package? are _all_ packages needed for gcc installed?01:05
esrever_otuaarun--: there is definitely something wrong; according to the stuff you have checked, it shouldn't be aggressively cooling until 90oC... :-/01:05
iminjAnyone able to use gaim to access irc? It won't connect for me ... ( using X-Chat now)01:05
lmlAard: I think so, should I remove old version of gcc?01:05
Aardlml: I got that problem using debian sid some time ago on several boxes. IIRC they fucked up some dependencies, installing an aditional gcc-package solved it. I can't remember exactly what I did, maybe it would be best to remove gcc, install it again, and hope that deps will work this time...01:06
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arun--esrever_otua: i also noticed that during ubuntu boot up, when the pci_hotplug module is trying to be loaded, the fan starts, and it doesnt stop after that, do you think if there is any link, i dont need hotplugin feature, may be i should stop loading the pci_hotplug and check it01:06
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vinscilml, you can have multiple gcc versions installed at the same time01:08
esrever_otuaarun--: now that's *really* odd... could it be stomping on the acpi somehow?  hmmm very interesting.... certainly turn off its loading and see if problem goes away, definitely...  a laptop shouldn't need that module, I wouldn't think  ( I know I don't use it...)01:09
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esrever_otuaburnboy: 'lsmod' and guess... ;-)  or you might get lucky and find it aliased in /etc/modprobe.conf01:11
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arun--esrever_otua: when i did a /etc/init.d/hotplug stop,01:16
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arun--my usb mouse died :), but no change in the fan01:16
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cenerentolasorry how does the dist-upgrade work under synaptic?01:17
arun--how to unload the module pci_hotplug ?01:18
cenerentolarrmod01:18
cenerentolasorryu01:18
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deFryskcenerentola, smart-update = dist-upgrade01:18
cenerentolawhere's it01:18
deFrysk*smart-upgrade01:19
cenerentolano its not rmmod01:19
cenerentolasmart-upgrade: ive got the italian one...01:19
cenerentolawhere's it in the gui?01:19
cenerentolaahhh01:20
cenerentolagot it..01:20
cenerentolaand what does do it?01:20
zenwhen"Not that!" growled the lesbian grandmother as the nose-grooming chicken flicker grudge fucked her rosebud knockers and slid his rigid one-eyed wonder worm into her grateful slit.01:20
zenwhenoops01:20
zenwhensorry01:20
Tomcat_LOL01:20
Tomcat_BASH!01:20
cenerentolai mean it upgrade to warty final... o hoary?01:21
jdubcenerentola: it won't upgrade to hoary unless you use the hoary repository01:21
jdubcenerentola: 'smart upgrade' just does some extra things to make all the packages upgrade right01:21
jdubcenerentola: i'd recommend using it all the time01:21
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Tomcat_Oh... it's a program... damn.01:22
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deFryskI'd never use it01:22
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esrever_otuaarun--: do an lsmod and look for ones with pci in them... I don't know the names of the modules themselves...01:29
esrever_otuai gotta go for now (00:30am here ;) night all.01:30
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PizbitNuts, some guy has sent the same email to the user list three times01:33
cenerentolaand if id like to try the hoary... is there any kind of iso's or should i install the warthy and then add the hoary repositories?01:35
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PizbitI'd wait a while before tyring hoary01:38
Pizbittrying*01:38
cenerentolapizbit: why?01:38
cenerentolaiso or repositories?01:38
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PizbitLotsa stuff going on, I'd wait for it to settle down a bit.01:40
PizbitBesides, from what I saw on the user list it's gonna be a while before the fun stuff gets into it.01:40
cenerentolaok... but how can i install it'01:41
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cenerentolawho knows a nice rar archive handler for linux.. said that unrar doesnt unpack the archive im trying to unpack01:43
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PizbitYou change the sources.list where it says warty to hoary01:45
jdubcenerentola: strongly recommend you don't use hoary01:45
jdubcenerentola: it is a development branch, right at the beginning, it's going to break all over the place01:46
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plasmoweee im playing counterstrike on ubuntu :D01:59
L|nu}{weeee :D01:59
plasmo^^01:59
L|nu}{hehe..01:59
plasmoahh this is the stuff lol01:59
plasmodont need to dual boot windows now02:00
cardadorplasmo: which cs? cs source??02:01
grubermanplasmo, I feel sorry for you ;)02:01
plasmocs 1.602:01
plasmo:)02:01
plasmoill get cs source when halflife2 comes out02:02
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Evil2000hi02:04
plasmohello02:05
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Evil2000are there cvs builds of multisync?02:06
Evil2000i've only found some for debian sid so far, and they don't work02:06
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ahoodHi All02:07
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ahoodI am about to recommend to a friend to try out Ubuntu (his WindowsXP has had major problems after installing SP2 and is looking for something better). However, I am concerned about dual boot problems with Ubuntu and WinXP.02:08
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ahoodI am reading quite a few posts at the Ubuntu forums that users cannot boot into WinXP after installing Ubuntu. Can anyone provide additional information on how to avoid this issue?02:10
stuNNedahood, you need to edit grub.conf after installing ubuntu and add an entry for winxp, i used the example in that file and it worked find for a friend of mine02:11
cardadorstuNNed: the ubuntu installer does that automatically02:11
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ahoodstuNNed: the example is in the grub.conf file, correct?02:12
hazmatanyone know how to mount a firewire drive under ubuntu?02:12
BrianB04MOrning all02:12
netmonkstuNNed, where is the grug.conf located?02:13
hazmati used to be able to mount my ipod as a firewire drive, but the spb2 module isn't recognizing it as disk since i updated it.02:13
hazmater. updated ubuntu02:13
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cenerentolasomething to convert outlook express dbx to mbox or other evolution compatible02:15
stuNNednetmonk, ahood: sorry it's menu.lst in /boot for ubuntu02:15
netmonkoks, 10x02:15
Pizbit /boot/grub/02:15
stuNNedyes02:16
stuNNedahood, netmonk: /boot/grub dir actually02:16
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tuxxHello ppl02:16
netmonkyes, 10x02:16
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urukhaihi02:17
ahoodstuNNed: Thanks too.02:17
ka24ahood: i had no problems with it on a winxp home box02:17
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visorhi folks02:18
tuxxDoes anyone have a rocksolid guide for installing nvidia on Ubuntu 4.10 ?02:18
ahoodks24: Thanks, good to hear.02:19
tuxxI seem to find the files in apt-get but it seems not to be activated uppon install02:19
visortuxx: synaptic does it02:19
tuxxvisor yeah but despite the fact that they are installed they're not activate. I prob. do something wrong but what?02:19
visorbtw, anyone knows how to enable services in ubuntu? i cant connect ssh, or can someone give me a uri to read please?02:20
netmonkhow can I get programs listed in the Applications menu?02:20
visortuxx: have you changed already the module name in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?02:20
ka24netmonk: go to applications:// in nautilus and create your shortcuts02:20
plasmotux: mm if its not activated then try in terminal 'nvidia-glx-config'02:21
visornetmonk: they need to have a .desktop file within them, if they dont, then you have to write one and put them on gnome apps directory02:21
netmonkoki, 10x02:21
jpvcxtuxx: did you do this after the install(assuming you used the ubuntu package): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable02:21
netmonk:)02:21
tuxxplasmo ok. Just to verify I have all installed - which pakages should I have installed? I have the nvidia-glx but do I need more?02:21
tuxxjpvcx no I didn't. Maybe that'll do the trick02:22
plasmodunno ;x02:22
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jpvcxtux:after that hit ctrl+alt and backspace02:23
tuxxjpvcx, do I need to shutdown X first?02:23
visorso how does one enable services like sshd ? :)02:23
rufusregister02:23
ka24vincent: more than likely just install the ssh server package02:23
tuxxjpvcx I'll give it a try.. this 60Hz is giving me a major headache :-)02:23
visoruhmm no, indeed i have it already installed but i read once in a site that ubuntu disables all services, i dont know where i read that but i did, and the fact is that i dont know how to set those services up02:25
Keybukvisor: install openssh-server02:25
visoruhmmm02:26
visorokey, then sshd isnt installed by default02:26
Keybukindeed02:26
visori dint noticed02:26
visorthanks02:26
visorlet me see02:26
Keybukinstalled servers start automatically02:26
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tuxxjpvcx, it worked! How could I have missed that single command... thanks02:27
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visorstupid me, its just im not used to debian02:27
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jpvcxtuxx:np02:28
visorother distros just bundle everything in one single package02:28
plasmobloat :)02:28
plasmooh wait -_-02:28
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visoroh and btw i been having a lot of problems mounting smb shares not just in ubuntu but in any distro with samba 3.x anyone of you had something like me ?02:29
Keybukthat's actually an extra Ubuntu split; but yes, Debian does tend to split packages more than rpm based distros02:29
Keybukdunno, samba for me is like the little girl with a curl on her for'ed02:30
Keybuksome days it's very, very nice and just works02:30
Keybukand other days...  well02:30
visorhaha02:30
Keybukthough, from what I gather, that's true of Windows-only networks as well02:30
broonieAre there any known stability problems with the PowerPC kernels? I'm experienceing frequent hard luckups.02:30
tuxxHow would I enable my cdrw-burner? cdrecord gives me something 'bout  No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver02:30
visoryeah, but i think its the smbfs module in the kernel, if i access the shares trough gnome-vfs (nautilus) then everything works fine, but mounting them hangs too much at random times02:31
visorerrors like: "smb_add_request [hex addres] : Timed out"02:31
visorlots of them02:31
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visorsame in suse, redhat... everything that runs samba 3.x seems to have the same problem02:32
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dje_how to set environement variable ? i 've edited my .bash_profile but it's don't work02:33
thoreauputicdje_: /etc/profile02:33
Pizbitdje_: Are you exporting it?02:33
ahoodOkay, I have searched the ubuntu forums and wiki for more information on editing the menu.lst file. However, I don't see an example of the exact change that will enable dual booting with WinXP (I am a linux noobie and in case I have this problem). Can anyone suggest where I can look for the exact change to make in menu.lst?02:33
Pizbitdje_: ie: export $MYENVVAR=stuff02:34
dje_yes but i want to change this only for my user not system wide02:34
stvnahood: you know which partition windows is located?02:34
sven-ericHi there! Does anybody know how to edit the mainmenu? I know how to add and remove program-icons, but how do i edit the first-level categories and icons?02:34
Pizbitdje_: Right, but you put that in *your* .bashrc and it'll only work for you02:34
dje_yes02:34
ahoodstvn: yes, hda102:34
sven-ericIn gnome 2.8, i forgot to say :)02:35
dje_i'm exporting it, i made an export $path but it doesn't work02:35
Pizbitsven-eric: Ubuntu only has gnome2.8 :)02:35
stvnahood: normally, uncommenting the example in menu.lst should work02:35
visorahood: you cant boot windows xp?02:36
stvnahood: hda1 == (hd0,0)02:36
ahoodstvn visor: Thanks for the replies. I have not actually installed Ubuntu, but rather, I am trying to anticipate a possible problem I might encounter based on info I got from the Ubuntu forums.02:37
Pizbitdje_: Why did you try to offer dcc chat?02:37
PizbitYou should always ask before trying that too.:P02:38
visorahood: then dont be afraid, ubuntu automatically added an entry to my menu.lst of my xp pro partition02:38
dje_ok i'm a newby in irc world02:38
visorahood: remember, its ubuntu, not pure debian :), ubuntu its like debian, just desktop xD02:38
ohgoodhmm, So ubuntu has an updated libparted, that doesn't screw wincrap partition tables ?02:39
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Pizbitsven-eric: Dangit, I know there's something in the wiki about that, somewhere02:39
ka24sven-eric: go to applications:// in nautilus02:40
dje_pizbit: so how can i export my environement varibles just for my user ?02:40
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Pizbitdje_: I've already told you02:41
PizbitPut it into your .bashrc the one in your home directory02:41
ahoodvisor: Thanks for the encouragement (hehe)02:41
PizbitHeh, the wiki is broken:)02:42
dje_Pizbit : this does not work, it's why i ask if ubuntu has something special with .bash-profile02:42
ka24heh, from the looks of things.. ubuntu is getting all the lifetime windows users02:42
PizbitPut two things into the second box http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FindPage02:42
Pizbitdje_: It does work02:42
sven-ericThat did it - thanks Pizbit and ka24!02:42
ahoodstn visor: Also, if all I have to do is uncomment a few lines in menu.lst, that doesn't seem very hard.02:42
stvnahood: ubuntu will install ubuntu just fine, so you can always use ubuntu if cp doesn't work anymore :P02:42
ka24dje_: it's not bash-profile, it's bash_profile02:42
stvnahood: most of the time it works straight out of the box, but sometimes it doesn't and uncommenting works, and in a rare case that doesn't work either and you've to dive deeper to solve it02:43
Pizbitsven-eric: Founf it hehe: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e02:44
netmonkwhy is it that I can't execute executable files?02:45
stvnnetmonk: hundreds of different reasons possible02:45
ohgoodstvn: ohhh hehe, cp=hexp i guess. ya, lotsa folks i would imagine once dual-booted, realize they don't use hexp anymore, mke2fs it ;)02:45
cardadornetmonk: you mean .exe files?02:45
netmonkno02:45
netmonkI mean openoffice 1.1.302:45
netmonkor install j2rsomething.sh02:46
stvnnetmonk: what are you trying to do?02:46
ka24try sh ./jr2hwatever02:46
netmonkI'm trying to install openoffice 1.1.302:46
sven-ericThanks :)02:46
stvnnetmonk: where did you get it from?02:47
ahoodstvn: Thanks!02:47
stvnahood: NP02:47
stvnhm caps02:47
cardadornetmonk: sudo apt-get openoffice should give you 1.1.202:47
cardadorapt-get install*02:47
netmonkfrom the official mirror, I need this version because with 1.1.2 I can't spell in bulgarian02:47
stvnnetmonk: sure it is not just a lack of bulgarian language packs?02:48
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dsagreets02:48
ahoodI also have another system that has Windows98SE and Xandros2. Currently this system uses LILO. I have plenty of space on this system for a third linux distribution. How will Ubuntu install on a system that has lilo?02:48
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dsacan anyone tell me how to do a initrd for the 2.6.9 kernel?02:49
netmonkno, with 1.1.2 you can't set the language to Bulgarian - no such option, and because of that you can't spell. they changed it in 1.1.302:49
stvnahood: it will replace lilo with grub, AFAIK there's no choice offered02:49
thoreauputicnetmonk: if you are trying to run a script from the dir it is in, put ./script02:49
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stvnnetmonk: oh ok, and so you downloaded the installer from oo.org?02:49
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ahoodstvn: Will the replacement prevent me from booting into Xandros?02:49
cardadorahood: normally ubuntu will add xandros and windows to the boot loader02:50
stvnahood: probably not, it will recognise it - at least it recognised my installed dfebian system and offered me to boot to it02:50
netmonkyes stvn02:50
dje_pizbit: i checked again my .bash-profile and restarted my session : this doesn't work. This worked quite well with Fedora. Can you have a look at my file ?02:51
netmonkobviously i don't have some permissions on my ubuntu02:51
stvnnetmonk: did you check if it has executable permissions?02:51
lmlIs there a simple way to set up an entire c/c++ development platform in Ubuntu? Like one meta package that has dependecies to all that is needed?02:51
ahoodcardador stvn: Thanks for the info.02:51
Pizbitdje_: Dude, it's either .bash_profile or .bashrc , it can only be one of those two, NOT .bash-profile02:51
stvnnetmonk: do chmod +x <openoffice installer>02:52
dje_excuse i mean .bash_profile02:52
thoreauputiclml: try apt-gat install build-essential02:52
cardadorlml: check anjuta02:52
thoreauputic*apt-get02:52
stvnhm bulgarian is hard to read02:53
thoreauputiccardador: won't help if he doesn't have compilers etc02:53
cardadorthoreauputic: but i guess anjuta has all the required dependencies02:53
cardadorat least im able to compile c and c++02:53
dje_Pizbit : JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      export JAVA_HOME        ...doesn't work !02:54
ahoodAfter installing Ubuntu, what is the procedure for uninstalling it? Delete the partition that has Ubuntu and erase the mbr?02:54
Pizbitdje_: You're forgetting the $02:54
Pizbitdje_: Just export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java02:54
AardPizbit: without $02:55
thoreauputiccardador: they are under "Recommends" in apt-cache depends anjuta02:55
stvnahood: dunno, never met anyone who wanted to uninstallit ;) - but yes i think so02:55
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PizbitAard: Oh yeah, only the $ if you set then export, I'm a bit rusty:)02:55
dje_pizbit: ok i'ill try.... How can i test it without restarting my session ?02:56
Pizbitdje_: Just open a new terminal and echo $JAVA_HOME02:56
ahoodstvn: HEHE! If I erase the mbr, is there a way to restore lilo to boot into Xandros?02:57
netmonkstvn i did that but for some reason it won't let me execute files...02:57
ka24dje_: what terminal program are you using?02:57
stvnahood: best way is to use xandros rescue/install disc02:57
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stvnnetmonk: how did you try to execute it and what's the error?02:58
ka24hence no profiles get read02:58
netmonksh ./install02:58
netmonkline 137: permission denied02:58
ahoodstvn: That makes sense. I do believe Xandros installation CD should restore the lilo bootloader, now that you mention it. Thanks!02:58
cardadornetmonk: try sudo sh install02:58
stvnnetmonk: can you paste the result of ls -l install02:59
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netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      3601 2004-09-10 15:41 install03:00
netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      7700 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE03:00
netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      8244 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE.html03:00
netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     13982 2004-09-10 15:32 README03:00
netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     12733 2004-09-10 15:31 README.html03:00
netmonk-rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     84316 2004-01-31 07:21 setup03:00
netmonk-rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk   1209373 2004-02-29 10:15 SETUP_GUIDE.pdf03:00
netmonk-rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk    469541 2004-09-15 06:03 setup.ins03:00
netmonk-rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk    169686 2003-09-17 12:02 THIRDPARTYLICENSEREA03:00
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stvnhmz03:00
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dje_pizbit : i tried  export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      it doesn't work anymore. What can i do ????03:01
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stvnnetmonk: right, do as cardador suggested03:01
Pizbitdje_: Someone else said to drop the $ sign when doing it that way03:01
ka24hehe03:01
ahoodI tried out the Oct 13 edition of the Ubuntu LiveCD! and had two major issues with it. First, the search option under 'Computer' was missing. The second was that the Device Manager would not launch. Are these working in the Oct 22 livecd edition?03:01
dje_you mean    export JAVA_HOME=/opt/java     ?03:01
Pizbityeah03:02
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ka24ubuntu has more documentation on the site than most any linux distribution and still you get this03:02
stvnahood: dunno, don't have the livecd03:02
ka24maybe an effort should be made to hide the irc channel in the documentation ;)03:02
stvnheh03:02
Pizbitka24: Re the hanging thing, I was referring to the pasting.03:02
netmonkstvn03:03
netmonki got it now03:03
ka24i figured03:03
ahoodstvn: I will try it and if so, I will post a forum message thanking the developers for fixing this.03:03
PizbitEven since I asked someone to put the pastebin link into the topic several people just keep pasting >.<03:03
netmonkobviosly i was trying to install from a partition that i didn't have serten rights03:03
ka24you'll never make them read the topic03:03
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PizbitYeah, one can always hope though03:03
ka24have to beat them over the head with it03:03
Pizbits/hope/dream03:03
stvnPizbit: I asked specifically for a paste of ls -l install, knowing that it's just one line, but ah well...03:04
netmonkafter i moved the folder into /home it worked03:04
netmonk;)03:04
grubermanhmmm... grep is really nice to have03:04
thoreauputicPizbit: heh- you expect people to actually read the /topic? ;)03:04
Pizbitstvn: Yeah I saw that:)03:04
netmonk10x for the help, guys03:04
Pizbitstvn: Knew exactly what you wanted too03:04
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stvnnetmonk: no it is trying to install it self in stuff like /usr/bin etc where only a root may write03:04
Pizbitthoreauputic: Am I old fashioned?:)03:04
dje_pizbit : no more result. i'm afraid i'll have to switch on Fedora03:04
cenerentolahey ... so a rar - client for linux?03:04
ka24lol03:05
thoreauputicPizbit: hehe ... no just idealistic I guess :)03:05
Pizbitdje_: man bash03:05
stvnPizbit: yeah, nowadays nobody reads *at all*03:05
ka24cenerentola: several.03:05
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Pizbitstvn: Damn, and I'm only 18.03:05
cardadorcenerentola: sudo apt-get install rar-nonfree03:05
stvnPizbit: you prolly grew up in a protected environment ;)03:05
ka24unrar should be a gpl one i think03:06
Pizbitstvn: Hardly :)03:06
stvnone with books, you know those analogue read only data containers without search function03:06
ka24no idea what the apt name is for it tho03:06
dje_pizbit : yhios .bash_profile worked perfectly on Fedora. I used only standard instruction. Why on hell, couldn't i export env var ?03:06
cenerentolayeah but unrar doesnt work properly03:06
cardadorcenerentola: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree03:06
PizbitA bookcase, over 900 sci-fi books...03:06
grubermanstvn, they're great but consumes too much memory03:06
ka24dje_: my bet? you're using gnome terminal and dont have login shell checked. As i said earlier.03:07
grubermanstvn, and you can't compress them either03:07
cenerentolacardador: why -nonfree.. it wont work03:07
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stvnthe trouble with books is that you can read them only at 1.0x speed, so slow03:07
dje_pizbit : can you have a look at my .bash_profile have you ever tried to export variable on Ubuntu ?03:07
cenerentolaunrar doesnt work...03:07
thoreauputicdje_: always safer to assume you are making a mistake before blaming the distro :)03:07
cenerentolaill pastebin03:07
Pizbitdje_: I've always thrown stuff into .bashrc :)03:08
cristiancenerentola: try "rar x filename"03:08
dje_ka24 : so what can i do ?03:08
stvncenerentola: there are several rar utilities in universe and multiverse, just search for rar in synaptic03:08
ka24click edit/current profile03:08
Pizbitdje_: But at this point ka24 probably has hit the nail on it's head.03:08
ka24option is on the first tab03:08
enablcenerentola http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-e0e6dc9e5bd6728be5ddaf3c500b9271ccb9390a03:08
grubermanka24, is it recommended to have that checked?03:08
cenerentolamultiverse?03:08
ka24second tab, my bad03:08
stvncenerentola: more non-free stuff03:09
stvnright, lunch03:09
ka24gruberman: yea, without it you miss prompt settings and stuff03:09
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grubermanka24, thx03:09
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cenerentolathx03:10
dje_ka24: I tried to without success. My var are just not esxported03:11
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tuxxG'day ppl03:12
ka24dje_: try '. ~/.bash_profile'03:12
ka24minus the ''03:12
tuxxHow do I get Ubunto to pay attention to .Xdefaults so I can launch aterm with my prefs?03:13
Aardtuxx: try if it wants to read .Xresources (ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources)03:14
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erickmorillogreets03:15
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erickmorillocan anyone please help me with initrd?03:15
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tuxxAard it wont :-(  Any other way to start Aterm with prefs?03:15
dje_ka24: ok my .bash_profile was just not permited as executable03:15
thoreauputicdje_: does it work if you do the export and then do " source .bash_profile  ' ?03:15
BrianB04Can I worship the developers of Ubuntu?03:15
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ka24it's not supposed to be executable03:16
tuxxBrianB04 yes but first if you've got it to play Divx without any problem03:16
BrianB04I'm just all happy cause it found, and configured my wireless card without a glitch.03:16
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BrianB04Here I'm thinking I will have to be wired to install it, download Linuxant, install that, find the .inf of my card, install that...and instead, it detected it at install03:17
Aardtuxx: try `xrdb ~/.Xdefaults'03:18
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dje_OK all work fine now.... thanks you03:18
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tuxxAard you're tha bomb!! Dunno what it did but it worked :-)03:19
thoreauputicdje_: what was the thing that fixed it?03:19
jdubBrianB04: rocking :)03:19
Aardtuxx: it rereads the .Xresources-file. though it should do that automatically...03:19
tuxxAard ahh okay. Now I just need to get my cd-rw drive working with cdrecord. That seems not to be that easy a job afterall03:20
BrianB04Now, if I could figure out why the heck you can't find a wired keyboard + mouse to save your life.03:20
Aarddunno if it will work without calling xrdb when you start X the next time, though..03:20
Aardtuxx: problems? kernel-version?03:20
tuxxAard I'll write it down just in case maybe put it into a script if so03:20
dje_thoreauputic: my .bash_profile was not marked as executable03:20
tuxxAard 2.6.8.103:21
Aardtuxx: if it does not work ask google for .Xdefaults, and maybe xrdb. at least you'll find explanations what it does, and maybe hints for fixing it03:21
will_ah wine oh wine!03:21
Aardtuxx: and what's the problem?03:21
ka24tuxx: nothin to it.. cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI03:22
tuxxAard cdrecord gives me this.. :cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver03:22
ka242.6 doesnt use scsi like that, that's what the dev=ATAPI is for03:22
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ka24cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where it says to use dev=1,0,0 or whatever03:23
tuxxka24: Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second03:23
BrianB04Okay, now...it's ejecting the cd...and rebooting03:23
ka24tuxx: what is your cdrw drive?03:24
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ka24dmesg | grep ^hd03:24
tuxxka24 hdc: LITE-ON LTR-24102B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive03:24
will_does ubuntu come with DRI built in?03:24
ka24ok, cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -data whatever.iso03:25
ka24you do need an alpha version cdrecord for this to work, not sure what ubuntu ships with.. but surely they know about 2.603:25
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Federico2hi :)03:26
tuxxCdrecord-Clone 2.01a2903:26
ka24yep, that should work03:26
tuxxka24 I'll try right away!03:26
Aardka24: direct opening of ide-devices should work with stable versions, only dev=ATAPI:.. might cause problems with those older versions03:26
zetamannskyI get no sound from my audigy2  card. I have checked the mixer and everything seems OK: All controls are set, at least, in the middle. Can someone please help me configure this card.03:26
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ka24i dunno why the cdrecord maintainer cant just get off his high horse and make the thing work03:27
ka24it's so much faster burning without ide-scsi03:27
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Aardwhere's the problem? you can burn without ide-scsi without problems for over a year now03:28
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ka24scanbus still doesnt work and it still gripes about having to use a generic ide device03:29
tuxxError trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second03:29
ka24hmm03:29
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ka24is something mounted on /dev/hdc?03:29
tuxxka24 the drive is but else not.03:29
Aarderm, I never had any problems with scanbus....03:29
tuxxka24 I just tried with a CD-RW with data to erase it03:30
ka24tuxx: run mount.. maybe something automounted it03:30
tuxxUbuntu popuped a folder03:30
tuxxka24 will try that03:30
ka24yea, that'll be it ;)03:30
tuxxka24 unmount it that is?03:31
ka24yep03:31
tuxxka24 ohh yeah... no errors now!03:31
ka24no doubt the drive works with linux.. i have one of those03:31
ka24:)03:31
tuxxka24 yeah I've had it working with Mandrake for 3 years03:31
tuxxka24 now.. if I can ask u one or two more things.. how do I get mplayer installed with ALL codecs for avi, divx, xdiv etc. ?03:32
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ka24that i dont know without compiling03:33
ka24some of those are going to be nonfree, so if packages are available you'll have to add universe to apt03:33
tuxxka24 I tried that yesterday... need to mention my system f*beeb*d up? :-)03:33
tuxxuniverse is added03:34
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tuxxokay. How do I start, stop, restart and so forth a service like samba or proftpd ?03:34
tuxxIn Mandrake it was # 'service name restart' for instance03:34
HauntedUnix/etc/init.d/samba start, restart, stop.03:35
tuxxHauntedUnix hey :-) I'll try!03:35
stvntuxx: /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart03:35
tuxxSo everything thats installed and runned as an service is managed that way?03:35
ka24i still run freebsd on my desktop.. only tried ubuntu on a spare box so far.. havent had a chance to work out all the grimy details like video playback yet ;)03:35
HauntedUnixtuxx: it should be, there are some irregularities, but you hopefully won't need ot encounter them.03:36
ka24been on freebsd/slackware for 10 years or so03:36
thoreauputictuxx: that's the standard daemon starter, yes03:36
HauntedUnixtuxx: there are some programs that install things to the home dir, etc, and don't do a system-wide install, you have to do that manually.03:36
tuxxka24 ahh. I have it on my desktop now. I tried to reinstall Mandrake last night after having a h*beep* of a fight with Ubuntu. Case was my netinstall wouldn't work so I had to install Ubuntu again. Now I won't give up. It has to work now :-)03:37
tuxxthoreauputic thanks03:37
HauntedUnixheya thoreauputic :)03:37
thoreauputichey HauntedUnix :)03:37
ka24i just figured i'd camp out in here and see what sort of nightmares others were having before i tried it on my main box ;)03:37
tuxxHauntedUnix When will I perhaps stumble uppon that problem?03:37
HauntedUnixtuxx: Mmm, luckily, I can't think of anything of the top of my head ;)03:38
tuxxka24 want a list? :-) lol03:38
ka24heh03:38
tuxxnah I have most figured out so far03:38
tuxxHowever it works in a whole different way than Mandrake which HauntedUnix will concur with :-)03:39
thoreauputictuxx: say you put a script in ~/bin and you want it to start - you have to make your own entry in the startup scripts for it (I'm not recommanding that, just an example)03:39
HauntedUnixtuxx: :)03:39
tuxxthoreauputic okay. Most of the stuff installed will be through apt-get03:40
tuxxHauntedUnix not using Mandrake anymore?03:40
thoreauputictuxx: yes - which will do the right thing03:40
HauntedUnixtuxx: I haven't tried ubuntu yet, downloaded the worng iso, thought I was getting the livecd ;)03:40
thoreauputictuxx: if for instance you use hdparm to tune your hard drive, you have to put an entry in to get it to start on boot03:41
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tuxxthoreauputic okay no sweat then. I just need to restart my display manager sometimes (mostly when working with X) and so far I've killed it and rebooted. /etc/init.d/gdm should do it now if I guess correct03:41
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tuxxthoreauputic oh yeah I remember that.03:42
tuxxHauntedUnix the Live CD is nice! Have both :)03:42
thoreauputictuxx: yes, /etc/init.d/gdm restart ot whatever...03:42
tuxxthoreauputic yeah.03:43
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kapputuhi all03:46
GotD0thi03:46
kapputuhey gotdot how r u03:46
GotD0tdoes anybody have experience with a Dell DJ and Ubuntu03:46
GotD0tfine03:46
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kapputuwhat happened GotD0t03:47
GotD0t?03:48
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kapputuwith Dell DJ and Ubuntu ?03:49
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tuxxhmm.. how would I get 'll' to work as the normal user? only 'ls' works now03:49
BrianB04Wooohoo, I'm in Ubuntu....03:49
tuxxBrianB04 how ya like it so far?03:49
GotD0tI just wanted to know if anybody is able to transfer songs to the DJ through Ubuntu03:50
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BrianB04I'm liking it. Simple, not overly bloated with useless software...and it works with both my wired and wireless connection. Now...to learn Gnome, figure out how to put a few things on the desktop, etc.03:50
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WWDoes anyone here use Sticky Notes in gnome?03:51
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tuxxBrianB04 yeah. It's nice and sleek. However I'm still not able to play my Divx, Xvid and so forth03:51
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tuxxHowever the fluxbox included is the stable version = very old.03:52
WWSticky Notes often get moved when I logout and back in, or when I reboot.03:52
tuxxbut I have the deb for latest unstable.03:52
GotD0ttuxx: someone in the channel pointed me to a good tut on how to get mplayer working with all the formats03:52
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tuxxGotD0t remember who that someone was?03:52
Kapputuhow do I update firefox to 1.0PR ?03:52
GotD0ttuxx: sorry03:52
tuxxor where to read 'bout it ?03:52
tuxxGotD0t no sweat03:53
WWOK, so it's not a showstopper like a nonfunctional graphics card, but it is annoying :)03:53
GotD0tkapputu: they have a firefox RC1 now03:53
Kapputuoh yeah I read yesterday03:53
Kapputuforgot that03:53
stvnKapputu: wait for hoary or install the ff installer from the site03:53
Kapputuhow do I upgrade ?03:53
jpvcxGotD0t:Do you mean this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 ?03:54
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GotD0tjpvcx: no... its a step by step tutorial... that someone put together themselves03:54
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GotD0tjpvcs: worked great03:54
Kapputusudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox says it's the newest version and I also get an error saying couldn't stat URL..03:55
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GotD0tKapputu: thats because you have the newest one in ubuntu... you have to go directly to the firefox site03:56
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Kapputuyeah but I want to install the new one over my existing one03:56
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stvnKapputu: it's not possible from within ubuntu03:56
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Kappututhe download link in mozilla.org still says 1.0PR03:57
benjaim compiling a program and i get this error, autoconf: Undefined macros:...configure.in:13:AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, any ideas03:57
Pizbit^Kapputu: The RC is only for those who are sure they want to test stuff03:58
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monteirowhy totem doesnt support many type movie and music files ?03:59
monteirolicences ?03:59
Kapputuhow do I get a flashplayer plugin ?03:59
GotD0tmonteiro: you have to install the codecs for the files03:59
stvnmonteiro: yes04:00
stvnmonteiro: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:00
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tuxxhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer04:00
tuxxThat's for mplayer. I'm trying it at the moment so cross fingers!04:00
jpvcxKapputu:it should be in universe or multiverse04:00
visortuxx: might i ask why dont you use xine/totem?04:02
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Kapputuhmm can't find the flashplayer plugin for mozilla04:02
Phr0stBytevisor: MPlayer is better04:02
Kapputuany suggestions >04:03
Kapputuyep mplayer is better04:03
tuxxvisor sure. First I can't get it to work with my stuff and second I'm madly in love with mplayer :-)04:03
tuxxKapputu yeah I have flash working. Need the file? if so hang on04:03
cardadorKapputu: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree04:03
tuxxcardador will it install it automatically for firefox?04:04
jpvcxtuxx:yes04:04
cardadoryes04:04
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Scognitohi04:04
kentIs there a way to add planet ubuntu (http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/) to blam? I found no rss-file on that page, except for the individuals tracked on the page, not the entire page.04:05
tuxxokay I'll try it instead of the manual installation I'm used to do04:05
Kapputuyep got it instaled04:05
Kapputuis there a automatic mplayer installation ?04:05
visoruhmmm i see04:05
KapputuI thought the only way was compiling source04:05
visorxine works for me in ubuntu04:05
visorall, wmv, mov, mpeg, avi and so on04:06
Kapputuanyone have marillinat ftp link handy ?04:06
KapputuI need to download w32codecs04:06
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amathishi guys.04:06
Kapputuhi amathis04:06
Kapputuwhat's up04:06
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Phr0stByteAny python programmers here?04:06
amathisdo you have to edit the Xf86Config to change resolution, or is there a gui that will do it.04:06
cardadorKapputu: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main04:06
Kapputueeks ! I hate snakes !!04:06
visorKapputu: w32codecs are available in xine site04:07
Phr0stBytelol04:07
amathisKapputu, trying to figure out things :)04:07
Kappututhanx cardador, visor04:07
JohanHkent, http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/rss20.xml04:07
cardadoramathis: computer > sys configuration > screen resolution04:07
kentamathis,  computer->system config -> change resulution.04:07
cardadorlol04:07
KapputuI started learning using dive into python04:07
visorwell folks, im going to bed, this was a long night, i need to sleep, see you04:07
Kapputudin't have much time04:07
Kapputubye visor04:08
Kapputusleep tight04:08
amathisheh, darn.. 1600 x 1200 not working yet.04:08
Phr0stByteKapputu: Doing a game using Pygame04:08
visorand btw, best e-book ever form python is "How to think like a computer scientist: learning python"04:08
kentJohanH, thanks.04:08
amathiswow..04:08
amathisapt-get could not find bluefish??04:08
amathishow can I see where apt-get get's it's sources?04:08
amathismaybe it is only looking on cd..04:08
visorbelieve me, its even better than o'reilly's one, (wich i have too)04:08
visorwell, see ya all bye04:09
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Phr0stByteheh04:09
kentamathis, /etc/apt/sources.list i belive (Or check with synaptic)04:09
Kapputuyeah I think I have seen that as a link in dive into python04:09
Kapputuneed help Phr0stByte ?04:09
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erickmorillogreeeets04:09
Phr0stByteKapputu: Looking for a partner04:09
amathis# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe04:09
amathis# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe04:09
erickmorilloanyone knows how to remove openoffice and postfix?04:10
amathisshould I un-comment those?04:10
KapputuI need to learn python but04:10
Phr0stByteKapputu: Getting tired of doing it all myself04:10
tuxxShoe! it worked (flash)04:10
tuxxnice04:10
KapputuI'm a quick learner though04:10
Kapputuhow do I install shockwave plugin ?04:10
Kapputuor do I need that at all ?04:10
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tuxxKapputu my xp is that you don't need it04:11
Kapputuk04:11
Phr0stByteyou dont04:11
tuxxxp = experience and not the win-somehing04:11
Kapputuoh yeah I understand tuxx04:11
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lamonterickmorillo: fire up synaptic and remove the packages?04:11
lamonterickmorillo: it'll remove ubuntu-desktop, of course...04:11
Kapputuwindows is a f**ked up piece of junk04:11
lamont(which is just a package full of dependencies)04:11
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tuxxKapputu yeah however it's versatile. Maybe that's why me not like it :-)04:12
cardadoramathis: yes04:12
KapputuI don't have any control over it04:12
amathiscardador, danke.04:12
cardadoramathis: add multiverse after universe04:12
monteiroGotD0t , stvn  : yes, thanx04:12
cardadoramathis: it will give a buch of non free apps04:12
Kapputuwhat do u mean by non free ?04:13
tuxxKapputu not anything similair. Even a single console is missing04:13
Kapputuyep04:13
monteirohow much time will i wait to receive the cds ?04:13
cardadorKapputu: flash, unrar, etc04:13
KapputuI can't work with mouse04:13
KapputuI move around using the keyboard04:13
tuxxKapputu yeah me too. Keymaps are nice.04:13
cippalippatesting...04:14
Kapputuand I don't like any piece of s/w which tries to be a smart ass and assumes that there is an idiot using it04:14
amathiscardador, wow, couldn't some people get busted for that?04:15
erickmorillolamont: any chance to clear postfix without loosing ubuntu-desktop?04:15
cippalippaand what happens if the idiot craves for gwetting less idiot?04:15
lamontubuntu-desktop is soley the package that forces all of the standard packages to get installed on a desktop system.  So it Depends: postfix, among others.04:15
lamont(IOW, no.)04:16
Keybukerickmorillo: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package; removing it just means when you upgrade to hoary you won't automatically get any new desktop packages04:16
Kapputudon't understand cippalippa04:16
Kapputuwhen is hoary coming out ?04:16
vrlnin ~6 months04:16
cardadoramathis: lol04:16
cippalippaI noticed the line about the kind of desktop thing04:16
grubermanwhen his parents are ready04:16
cippalippaI am actually in a "very idiot" situation04:16
cippalippamaybe some of you can hekllp out04:16
cardadoramathis: i think its non free because its source is not open04:16
lamontKapputu: april and october are the release months.04:16
cippalippais it possible ask in the channel?04:17
lamontcippalippa: fire away04:17
cippalippafisrt install latest ubuntu04:17
cippalippaall fine04:17
cippalippaspeedy04:17
cippalippabut I think I overlook something while setting up the pass04:18
cippalippafor root04:18
lamontthere is no root password assigned during install.04:18
lamontit's *'ed out04:18
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amathisisn't that a security breach to just use sudo?04:18
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amathisbecause any app can obtain root priveliges?04:18
Kapputuso what happens now cippalippa04:18
lamontamathis: not particularly04:18
cippalippasorry, busy04:18
vrlnusing only sudo is more secure afaik04:18
cippalippaso... I have the username and the user04:18
Matt|which version of X11 is hoary going to use?04:19
cippalippaso when I try to do something requiring root priviledges04:19
lamontcippalippa: and the initial user is in sudoers04:19
cippalippaI do not know what to type in04:19
vrlnyou do sudo commandyouwant04:19
lamontand you should be prompted for _your_ (initial user) password04:19
vrlnand type your user password04:19
cippalippaI only remeber to have set 1 pass04:19
vrlnand voila, it works :)04:19
cippalippafor the normal user04:19
vrlnyep, and that's the one you need to use sudo04:20
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Kapputuyep that's the password u need to use04:20
cippalippaat the beginning I was only asked the userbname04:20
tuxxYES! mplayer is working!!04:20
sertmannwhat is exacly is the file called containing the environment variables for a user? can't bloody find it....04:20
Kappututuxx, you compiled source ?04:20
GotD0ttuxx: how'd you get it up?04:20
cippalippaI tried to add some sorry, 1 min...04:20
lamontsertmann: env will print your current environment04:21
lamontwell, at least the exported variables04:21
Matt|what is the website where I can see the list of changes and such which will appear in hoary?04:21
tuxxKapputu yes. Follow the link given earlier04:21
Kapputucan you post it again, if you still have the window open ?04:21
sertmannlamont: yeah, but i need to edit it...04:21
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jpvcxtuxx:welcome to the club ;)04:22
tuxxlol04:22
tuxxhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer04:22
lamont.profile gets run when a shell starts...04:22
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=== Kapputu thanks tuxx..
cippalippaok, gonna try to modify fstab04:22
Kapputuhi ogra04:22
Kapputugood morning04:22
ograhi...... capitalized today ?04:22
Echylook have a couple of questions04:22
Kapputuhmm this is a different machine04:23
cristianMatt|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog04:23
KapputuI have three ubuntus now ogra04:23
Echylofirst, my ubuntu is booting a long time,( almost sticking on starting hotplug system04:23
Matt|cristian, thanks04:23
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sertmann"Environment variables of LC_ALL (or LANG) and XMODIFIERS must be set as following..." <--- ok i need to do this, what file do i edit?04:23
amathishmm, how can I get the login screen that is shown on the website?04:23
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=== BrianB04 was in Ubuntu, now we have issues
amathiswith the people...04:23
Echyloamathis,04:23
Rexioowhere are source codes default kernel in ubuntu?04:24
Echylocomputer, system > settings for users?04:24
BrianB04Okay this is weird.04:24
cristianRexioo: linux-source-2.6.8.104:25
BrianB04Very weird...04:25
Matt|so does anyone know what version of X11 is going to be used in Hoary?04:25
sertmannx.org04:25
Kapputuwhat's the difference ?04:25
Echylohey somebody can help me?04:26
Matt|sertmann, but what version?04:26
ograKapputu: http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/04:26
RexiooCristian: /usr/src there isn't04:26
BrianB04Okay, how can I go about getting the secondary card, the wired card, to come up as default networking card?04:26
Matt|the version in warty seems to be 6.6, but this is rather old now and I am hoping for some newer support04:27
cristianRexioo: you have to apt-get install it04:27
Kapputuoh what's up with those transparent shells ?04:27
Kapputui should say terminals04:27
ogramjg59: youre the laptop god ?04:28
Kapputuare they available ?04:28
jpvcxKapputo: cool aint it ?04:28
Echylook, can somebody listen to my boot problem???04:28
sertmannMatt|: wathy uses xfree04:28
Kapputuyep04:28
sertmannwarthy even04:28
Matt|sertmann, yes i am aware of that. It is using version 6.6. of X1104:28
sertmannah04:28
Kapputuwhy don't people change ot linux04:28
sertmannthen ill shut up04:28
Matt|the current Xorg release uses version 6.8.104:28
Kapputuhow can I convince everyone to convert to linux04:28
Echyloinstall it , and show them04:28
Matt|Kapputu, tell them "no viruses, no spyware"04:28
AardKapputu: don't.04:28
sertmannKapputu: please don't04:29
Echylo?04:29
ograKapputu: show them how great it is04:29
Kapputubut it's so good04:29
KapputuI want others to enjoy what I'm enjoying04:29
Rexioocristian: i would recompile kernel and i would add module APM04:29
cristianKapputu: pay them04:29
Echylo:D04:29
KapputuI already convinced my roommate to install Ubuntu and he has been using it for a like a week now04:29
cristianRexioo: apm module it's already in standard kernel04:29
ograKapputu: make a lot of money and do tv adverts ?04:30
grubermanKapputu, if you can get some of the big audio companies to release their sequencers on linux, there will be alot of people migrating to linux ;)04:30
Kapputuhe had so much spyware, adware04:30
cristianRexioo: modprobe apm04:30
BrianB04Cause, eth0 is showing the right card...just for some reason not catching dhcpd04:30
cristianRexioo: and add 'apm' in /etc/modules04:30
KapputuI can understand if my mom doesn't want to convert to linux04:30
Kapputubut what about computer science majors in grad school04:30
ograKapputu: i dont ;)04:30
Echylowhy does ubuntu waits almost a minute at "starting hotplug subsystem"04:30
EchyloI putted modules on the blacklist04:31
Echylocause it caused troubles04:31
Echylobut it still takes 2min> to boot04:31
ograEchylo: troubles ?04:31
Echyloof course :)04:31
Kapputua quick question if I dont wan't the ethernet interface to be brought up during boot what do I change in /etc/network/interfaces ?04:31
Rexioothanks04:31
ograEchylo: you mean pciehp shp...04:32
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cristianKapputu: rip out the name of your interface from "auto" directive04:32
Echyloyes04:33
ograEchylo: lol04:33
Echylohow do you know?04:33
Echylo:p04:33
ograEchylo: they are harmless04:33
Echyloyea I put them on the blacklist, cause of an error : modprobe.....04:33
Kapputuand what do I do if I want my wireless interface to be brought up on boot04:33
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ograEchylo: its a known cosmetic issue.....you dont speed up anything by blacklisting them04:33
Kappututhere is a script I have to run04:34
BrianB04Hmmm, seems because I didn't install with the wired network card, it's not even starting it...weird.04:34
Kapputuit's a TI ACX 111 card and I have to run start_net each time04:34
Echyloow04:35
Echyloso I have to wait 2.15 minutes04:35
Echylountil my pc is booted? :p04:35
ograEchylo: and blacklisting speeds this up ?04:35
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Echylonope04:35
cristianKapputu: you can use "up, pre-up" options in iface directive of /etc/network/interfaces04:36
cristianKapputu: it's all explained in "man 5 interfaces"04:36
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Kapputuok04:36
ograEchylo: hotplug manages a big bunch of devices, its probing them all on startup04:36
thoreauputicEchylo: so just leave your linux running: it will go for months or even years04:36
rexioocristian: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device04:36
robertjIs there a way to install only a particulr package and it's dependencies from hoary?04:36
Matt|Kapputu, I also use that method to start my card04:36
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cippalippayeah, now I got the system, so the rest is simple ignorance. Thanx for the ear (before shoulders were needed)04:36
Matt|Kapputu, cristian, when I use the network/interfaces method it only stays up for about 5 minutes04:37
Echylo:D04:37
Echylotalk to my mom04:37
Echylothen it will stay up04:37
Echylonow, it has to be shutdown for saving some energy04:38
Echylo:@:|04:38
thoreauputicEchylo: 2 minutes is not long to wait for something - I bet you could use that time to study Shakespeare or aomething useful ;)04:38
ograEchylo: Hoary will speed this up....until April you'll have to bear it :(04:38
Echyloapril???:p04:39
Matt|ogra, I have to wait until april for a newer version of X?04:39
Matt|nooooooooooooooooooooo04:39
Phr0stByteEchylo: tell your mom that the system really does not suck much juice - its the monitor that needs to be shut off04:39
Kappututhat's too long but /me will wait04:39
Kapputuoops04:39
amathisheh, it is bad when you are talking to someone and you say 'me is tired'04:39
EchyloPhr0stByte, nice try, I already used that argument04:39
ogracome on... 5 months till Hoary stable isnt too long04:39
Echylook ok04:39
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thoreauputicEchylo: tell your mom that every time you boot it brings the national electric grid to its knees04:40
Matt|ogra, it wouldn't be if the warty packages weren't frozen ;)04:40
ograLOL04:40
Kapputulol thoreauputic04:40
ograMatt|: not frozen, stable....04:40
BrianB04Hey, is that what caused the massive blackout, Echylo's computer starting up?:)04:40
Matt|ogra, so I can get a newer version of X11?04:40
thoreauputicBrianB04: hush, they might hear you !04:41
ograMatt|: nope... only in Hoary, but security updates for 18 months04:41
Matt|ogra, i need to Hoary asap methinks04:41
Matt|ogra, how to get a testing version?04:41
BrianB04How nifty, I figured it out...yay...now I can make things work:)04:41
Kapputucan I get those transparent terminals anywhere ?04:41
ograMatt|: do that only if you got a spare machine to run it on04:42
Kapputuanyone in U.S experienced a blackout last night ?04:42
Matt|how come?04:42
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amathiswtf... 'sudo init 3' doens't do shat for me.04:42
thoreauputicKapputu: yeah, I'll give you the commands to make aterm transparent for $10004:42
Echylosorry BrianB04 :P04:42
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Echylowasn't on purpose :p04:42
Phr0stByte=(04:42
amathisit isn't that hard to make aterm transparent :D04:42
ograMatt|: Hoary is supposed to break in the dev process....its a devlopment version....04:42
Matt|ogra, np04:43
Kapputuok thoreauputic, but you need to give me $200 first for seeking advice from you :-P04:43
BrianB04Sure it wasn't, you had it all planned out for months before hand, just to make my life miserable...side effect that you took out half the country as well04:43
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ograMatt|: till april ;)04:43
thoreauputicamathis: hey, are you trying to stop my income stream?04:43
Matt|ogra, is there any chance of getting hoary packages to install on warty? I used to use fedora testing packages all the time04:43
amathisthoreauputic, tis' captialism.04:43
amathis:P04:43
Matt|ogra, i am happy to install a testing OS04:43
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thoreauputicKapputu: my aterm alias: alias aterm='aterm +sb -tr -sh 80 -rv'04:44
ograMatt|: go on, but dont mix the dists.... if you switch to hoary do it completely and dont cry if nothing works anymore04:44
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BrianB04But yea, that hotplug error is kinda annoying...04:44
thoreauputicKapputu: special price for you today :)04:44
Matt|ogra, hmm no i won't cry: but the dists can't be mixed? How come?04:44
titooHello everybody, I am new I will stay quiet a while :)04:44
Matt|ogra, didn't you start from warty when making hoary?04:45
BrianB04Get an error about hw-random04:45
ograMatt|: they can, but youre on your own, nobody will support taht04:45
Matt|ogra, sure04:45
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Matt|ogra, mebbe i can get dri working on warty without updating to a newer version of X11?04:45
ogranot even the bot ;)04:45
amathishmm..04:46
amathisogra, sudo init 3 didn't put me in init 3..04:46
Kapputudoesn't work with gnome-terminal04:46
ograMatt|: depends....04:46
amathisI need to install my nvidia drivers.04:46
cippalippaquit04:46
amathis/quit04:46
ograamathis: for sure...but 3 isnt different from 2 (default)04:46
amathis:)04:46
thoreauputicKapputu: apt-get install aterm04:46
Matt|ogra, what does it depend on? ;)04:46
ograMatt|: what card ?04:46
amathisogra, ?? I need to just be on command line..04:46
amathisogra, no X server04:47
ograamathis: ctrl-alt-f104:47
amathisogra, ah, danke.04:47
ograamathis: f7 brings you back04:47
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Matt|ogra, it is an onboard ATI (radeon) IGP340M04:47
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Matt|lol04:48
amathisogra, no, I am installing nvidia drivers.. there CANNOT be any X server running, and it has to only be CLI04:48
Kapputuhmm don't get what I saw in the screenshots04:48
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Kapputuit's not transparent04:48
ograamathis: they can run.... just reboot after install ;)04:48
thoreauputicKapputu: what are you trying to "get"?04:48
Kapputua transparent terminal04:49
amathisogra, I don't think the installer will like it, but will try after apt-get is done.04:49
Matt|Kapputu, you could try Eterm04:49
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thoreauputicKapputu: for transparent, use the -tr switch to the aterm command04:49
amathiseterm > aterm04:49
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ograamathis: follow this http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:49
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thoreauputicamathis: rubbish. aterm is lighter on resources and just as configurable04:49
Kapputunope04:50
ograMatt|: you could try fglrx, same url....04:50
Matt|k will look04:50
Matt|thanks04:50
amathisogra, wait.. apt-get has the nvidia drivers in them?04:50
ograMatt|: but no guarantee.... except its radeon compatible....04:50
amathisogra, are they as good as the ones I just downloaded off of the nvidia website?04:50
thoreauputicKapputu: you are doing something wrong then; if you type aterm -tr you will get a transparent aterm04:50
ograamathis: yes04:50
ograamathis: and yes04:51
KapputuI want something like this... http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/translucentapps.png04:51
amathisogra, that kicks arse04:51
Matt|ogra, am not hopeful ;)04:51
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thoreauputicKapputu: looking04:51
ograKapputu: be paitient 5 months...youll get it ;)04:51
Matt|ogra, have always just recompiled the dri modules in the past04:51
ograMatt|: its all in synaptic ;)04:52
Kapputuaterm,eterm > gnome-terminal ?04:52
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ograKapputu: nope, REAL transparency....04:52
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Kapputuu mean I can't get those translucent terminals now ???????????04:52
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Matt|i can't find aterm04:53
nomasteryodasure you can04:53
amathisbrb :D rebooting.04:53
cippalippahallo, back for this delemma: I know how to sudo, but if I wanted to mount a windows partition (which I added to fstab before re-running it) I ma told that only root can do it and if I try to root the use pass doesn't work04:53
Kapputugrr04:53
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amathisogra, cross fingers04:53
ograKapputu: just a fake one.... right klick your gnome-term04:53
thoreauputicKapputu: it's a matter of taste, I guess - we could have a terminal war, but although that would be fun, it isn't really productive..:)04:53
ograamathis: i do !04:53
Matt|nomasteryoda, whereabouts is it?04:53
cippalippaso I lost something04:53
Matt|nomasteryoda, oh there it is04:53
ograKapputu: edit the profile..... look for effects04:53
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BrianB04Now that I have those issues sorted out, time to make Gnome look all funky, and translucenty...and just cool04:53
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tuxxHow would I install java? I don't seem to find it through apt-get04:54
nictukuhmm I had problems installing ubuntu04:54
Kapputuyeah I tried changing that to transparent background04:54
Kapputubut I don't get what I see in that picture04:54
thoreauputicKapputu: aha - that screen shot is xorg with "true" transparency - for that we have to wait, sorry04:54
nictukuDMA was set enabled in my old CD-ROM drive. It couldn't find the "Ubuntu install media"04:54
ograKapputu: you cant.... currently its only faked for terminals od xchat04:54
ograor04:54
Kappututhis transparency I have used before04:55
nictukuIs that a known bug in the installation?04:55
cardadorcippalippa: add smt like this to /etc/fstab -> /dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 004:55
Kappututhat's y  I was wondering what I was missing04:55
ograKapputu: what distro ?04:55
nictukuhdparm -d0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 was fine04:55
cippalippano hints for sorting out where is the root pass?04:55
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BrianB04Now, here's an odd question: When the new release comes out, how do you upgrade from Warty?04:55
Kapputuubuntu ?04:55
jpvcxCippalippa:http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.904:55
QerubAre i18n patches still accepted for Warty?04:55
Kapputuu mean the one I used b4 ?04:55
ograKapputu: no way04:55
cippalippano, it's fat32, individuated as vfat04:55
nictukuapt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?04:55
ograBrianB04: there will be instructions04:56
Kapputuok what's the diff b/w aterm, xterm and eterm ?04:56
QerubBrianB04: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list (or use Synaptic) and then do apt-get dist-upgrade (or use Synaptic).04:56
ograKapputu: the are different terminal emulators04:56
BrianB04I didn't know if apt-get dist-upgrade would cut it...I know it works for the servers I run, but I didn't know about X upgrades, and all that.04:56
ograthey04:56
QerubKapputu: xterm is bloat and pretty slow, but features anti-aliased fonts. aterm is small and can have a "transparent" background. eterm just sucks. IMHO.04:56
thoreauputicKapputu: this is how mine look: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg04:56
thoreauputicKapputu: aterm on that shot04:57
ograBrianB04: canonical will make sure it all goes flawless....just wait for the instructions04:57
nictukuit's taking ages to end installation here on a K6 30004:57
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Kapputupretty good04:57
thoreauputicKapputu: and: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxfirefoxmenusint.jpg04:57
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ograyay04:57
Kappututhoreauputic, what wm ?04:58
nictukufluxbox Kapputu04:58
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dr_dindicaloha04:58
thoreauputicKapputu: fluxbox - the development branch about 0.98 in that shot04:58
KapputuI have never tried installing a wm before04:58
ogradr_dindic: halllo04:58
Kapputui've used twm, afterstep04:59
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Kapputu-tr turns on or off pseduo transparency mode ??05:00
thoreauputicKapputu: yes05:01
Kappututhoreauputic, I'm asking if it's for turning it on or off05:01
ograKapputu: try: man aterm .....05:01
thoreauputicKapputu: on the command line, aterm -tr gives you a transparent aterm05:02
Kapputuyeah I'm looking into it05:02
Kapputubut it says -tr|+tr is used for turning on or off transparency mode05:02
thoreauputicKapputu: there are lots of other switches05:02
Kapputubut I would assume that + is normally used for turning something on ?05:02
ograKapputu: - = off, + = on05:02
thoreauputicKapputu: yes - that's what it does05:02
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thoreauputicogra: wrong05:02
ograthoreauputic: ??05:03
thoreauputic- on + off05:03
thoreauputic^^05:03
ograoh05:03
ograthoreauputic: weird05:03
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ograthoreauputic: illogical as well05:03
thoreauputicogra: not really - the satndard unix switches are mostly "-"05:03
Phr0stByteogra: not really - think about it05:03
thoreauputic*standard05:03
ograthoreauputic: i know ... but using + = off ??05:04
thoreauputicogra:  "-" is a hyphen, not a minus05:04
ograthoreauputic: - notr would be my guess05:04
thoreauputic^^^05:05
Phr0stByte+: ADDING (in this case solidity)05:05
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Phr0stByte-: SUBTRACTING it05:05
KapputuI guess hyphen has been used as a standard for turning things on05:05
thoreauputicKapputu: correct05:05
ograPhr0stByte: but the switch is called tr05:05
Kapputuand when they wanted to have a toggle they couldnt think up of anything ?05:05
KapputuI mean other than a '+'05:06
ograPho: no sol ;)05:06
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Phr0stByteogra: sorry - I didnt write the term05:06
Kapputuif I turn on iconic it opens the term in a new window ?05:06
thoreauputicKapputu: it works, that's all that matters. And it's documented05:06
ograPhr0stByte: me neither, but its a usability lack in my opinion05:06
Kapputuyeah it's documented alright but it doesnt say if - turns it on or off05:07
ograamathis: ahts up ? working ?05:07
ograwhats05:07
thoreauputicogra: you lack a feeling for the traditions of UNIX (which is always quirky)05:07
Kapputuif they had used the word respectively at the end of the sentence, it would have cleared things up05:07
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Phr0stByteogra: I've never used it05:07
Johohohello05:07
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amathisogra, yeppers05:08
ograthoreauputic: i'm usin unix since nearly 10 years05:08
Kapputu-tr|+tr05:08
Kapputu              Turn on/off pseudo transparency mode.05:08
amathisogra, installing NwN05:08
Phr0stByteogra: Never really worried about my recources05:08
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titooAny idea about a GUI for CVS with Gnome? I tried linCVS but is there something integrated into Nautilus (I can't find a package for Apotheke)05:08
thoreauputicogra: well, you'll know what I meant by that humorous remark, then05:08
Kapputuanyone used Anjuta for remote development ?05:08
Phr0stByteKapputa: not remotely05:09
Kapputuany good IDE for remote development ?05:09
Phr0stByteKapputa: But I use Anjuta extensively05:09
ograthoreauputic: i know the traditions... but i'm looking at the future of linux right now.....there should be a logical way to switch on/off things ;)05:09
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thoreauputicogra: yeah, well if it's aliased or built in to a GUI nobody will notice ;)05:10
Kapputuwhen there is a toggle, I think + and - should assume their semantic meaning05:10
tuxxHow would I install java? I don't seem to find it through apt-get05:10
Johohoare there known issues with the python2.3 package during the installation? it fails with a segmentation fault on my install05:10
Phr0stByteJohoho: they work fine here05:11
ogratuxx: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:11
ryeHello.  I'd like to know if Ubuntu comes with the `opensc' command.  Plus I'd like to know if anyone is using the smartcard driver, `openct', with Ubuntu.  Thanks in advance.05:11
Johohophrost: thanks05:12
thoreauputicKapputu: actually I tend to agree with you. I'm just being silly :)05:12
ograKapputu: it's simply a way old app youre using there.....05:13
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thoreauputicogra: yeah, old and good (never crashes here and does its job)05:14
ryeCould somebody type `which opensc' and paste the results here?05:14
ograthoreauputic: did gnome-terminal ever crash for you ?05:15
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KapputuI can understand05:15
ograrye:05:15
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Kappututhe man page gave me like 10 errors05:15
stuNNed_hi ogra05:15
stuNNed_hi all05:15
ograstuNNed: hi ;)05:15
Kapputuwhen I launch aterm from the panel why doesn't it get the focus ?05:15
thoreauputicogra: yes actually - and did some odd things with fonts as well (but that could just be my mistakes)05:15
Kapputuhi stuNNed05:15
Kapputuwelcome back05:15
stuNNed_hi Kapputu, thanks05:15
ograthoreauputic: in the current version ?05:16
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Kapputugnome terminal is kinda screwed up05:16
thoreauputicKapputu: that's agnome thing- aterm is an X app and gnome doesn't want to play with it nicely05:16
noneusthat's why i use aterm05:16
Phr0stByteJohoho: you a developer?05:16
Kapputuwhen I was a Teaching Assistant for Operating Systems last year, the students would demo their program05:16
thoreauputicogra: no, an older one- probably it has improved since :)05:17
ryeogra: So I take it the program isn't there?05:17
Kapputuand anything that used the terminal would throw up some juk05:17
Kapputu*juk => junk05:17
ograrye: yes, what does it do ?05:17
KapputuI think it has to do with terminal settings05:17
thoreauputicogra: also gnome terminal was much slower on large files05:18
Kapputugnome uses vt102 ?05:18
ztonzyanyone knows how to get the ~bin/ working  even if .bash_profile is set for that path ??05:18
ograthoreauputic: on large files ?05:19
ryeogra: The combination of openct and opensc make a package for using smartcards and usb devices which contain a smartcard chip on them.  Smartcards are used to store private SSH keys, among other keys, to provide you with two-factor authentication.05:19
thoreauputicogra: like listing lots of files or numbers05:19
ograthoreauputic: with vi/less ?05:19
ograrye: so its encryption ?05:19
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Kapputuif I need to install source I say sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` ?05:20
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ograrye: ogra@newmonkey:~ $ apt-cache search opensc05:21
ograrye: libetoken - PC/SC Driver for Aladdin's eToken usb plug05:21
ograrye: this one ?05:21
thoreauputicogra: try this on gnome-terminal and on rxvt or aterm:05:21
thoreauputictime seq -f 'teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest %g' 100000005:21
ryeogra: Yes, it's related to encryption and yes you've found the exact thing I want!  I have an Aladdin USB eToken Pro!05:22
ograrye:: so install it ;)05:22
Kapputuhow do I install kernel source ?05:23
Kapputuis it linux-source or linux-headers ?05:23
ryeogra: So in Ubuntu software is installed by using the Debian command `apt-get'?05:23
ograrye: synaptic or apt-get or aptitude....05:23
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ograthoreauputic: my cpu burns !!!05:24
stvnogra: don't forget dselect ;)05:24
ryeogra: So synaptic lists the openct/opensc packages?05:24
ograstvn: booo05:24
amathisogra, what was that nvidia install help site for ubuntu?? I want to archive it05:25
ograrye: you'll need universe enabled: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto05:25
ograamathis: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto05:25
thoreauputicogra: heheh - yeah it's pretty cpu intensive :) I get about 43 seconds for aterm, gnome-terminal is still counting!!05:26
ograstvn: try getting your mom installing packages with dselect *g*05:26
Kapputuhow do I install kernel source ?05:26
Kapputuis it linux-source or linux-headers ?05:26
thoreauputicogra: oh, that's a cruel thing to do to your mom :)05:27
ograthoreauputic: real    3m12.504s05:27
ograyep ;))05:27
stvnogra: I did with debian :( tried to get out as quickly as possible and install aptitude 0.1 ;)05:27
ograstvn: :)05:27
thoreauputicogra: gnome-terminal is still crunching, here *grin*05:28
ograKapputu: the source is the source.....05:28
ograthoreauputic: cpu ?05:28
ryeogra: Thanks for looking up that information for me.  I do appreciate it.05:28
thoreauputicogra: 100%05:28
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ograrye: come back if you got new issues...we'll be here ;)05:28
Kapputuwhat's the headers used for ?05:28
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Poyayananyone here use arjunta?05:29
ograthoreauputic: i meant the version05:29
ryeogra: I've got a PC running NetBSD at work and an iBook at home, which I'm using now.  I should be able to install Ubuntu on both computers and then use the USB eToken Pro.  Cool.05:29
thoreauputicogra; aterm 43 seconds real; gnome-terminal 4m49.135s real (it's just a 2Ghz celeron)05:29
ograthoreauputic: mine is a 900mhz p3, actually faster05:30
ograthoreauputic: real    3m12.504s05:30
thoreauputicogra: yes, the celeron was all I could afford at the time, and a p3 is probably better05:30
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thoreauputicogra: also the newer version in ubuntu is probably faster than my gnome-terminal05:31
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thoreauputicogra: but my aterm eats it for breakfast (43 seconds)05:31
BrianB04I'm back in Linux. I do get one strange error when I ifup my net card, it gripes about set05:32
ograthoreauputic: do you ever have the caser to list 1000000 files ? seems esoteric....05:32
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thoreauputicogra: of course - it's just a test - I saw it here: http://lwn.net/Articles/88161/05:33
Matt|can anyone think of a good colour for aterm if the background is predominantly greenish?05:33
thoreauputicogra: in the real world the difference is much less important of course :)05:33
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thoreauputicogra: you're bent ;)05:34
thoreauputic*grin*05:34
Echyloa good emule equivalent for ubuntu that hasn't such a difficult install progress like amule?05:34
ograthoreauputic: worked in dataminig in my company until last week ... there you get such csv files....05:34
thoreauputicogra: I can imagine05:35
ograthoreauputic: and vim does it absolutely flawless if its once loaded05:35
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thoreauputicanyway, late here - goodnight!05:35
Echyloheey?05:35
Echyloa good p2p program?05:35
ograEchylo: xmule05:35
Echyloxmule05:36
Echylook05:36
Echylosounds like I tried it already, but lets give it a chance05:36
nictukumy mouse is in ttyS0. should I use /dev/ttyS0 as my mouse location? If I want to use the new /dev/input/mice, what do I have to configure? It's not working.05:36
ograEchylo: its actually the sam as emule on win05:36
ogranictuku: run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal05:37
Echylookay that was the easy part of the question, next one is a challenge :p05:37
Echylodo they use the same config files?05:37
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Echylocause05:37
ograEchylo: maybe ;)05:37
EchyloI have dual boot05:37
Matt|can anyone think of a good colour for aterm if the background is predominantly greenish?05:38
Matt|is there a package for mplayer skins?05:38
Echyloand I want to let the downloads from xp continue in ubuntu05:38
nictukuogra, I did. I want to know if I can use the input/mice device interface file for a serial mice.05:38
ograEchylo: but i think the underlying bits are the same05:38
Echylobut that's impossible?05:38
Kapputuone of my machines has only linux on it05:39
ograEchylo: so it could work.... make a backup of the old dir....point xmule to the emule dir and try05:39
Kappututhis is a big leap for me05:39
nictukuwell thanks anyway05:39
Echylookay05:39
ograEcho: xmule uses ~/.xmule by default05:40
Echylokey,05:40
Echylothinks its gonna have troubles with the gtk05:40
ograEchylo: gtk is just the user interface05:41
Echyloyea, but it always gives me troubles05:41
Echyloso let's wait and see05:41
ograEchylo: try it....05:41
Echyloyou see05:41
Echyloerror :)05:41
Echyloconfigure: error:05:41
Echylo            Please check that wx-config is in path, the directory05:41
Echylo            where wxWindows libraries are installed (returned by05:41
Echylo            'wx-config --libs' command) is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH or05:41
Echylo            equivalent variable and wxWindows is version 2.4.0 or above.05:41
ograEchylo: where05:41
Echylo            Or this might also be a bug in our configure. Please try again05:41
Echylo            with --with-wx-config=/usr/bin/wx-config05:41
Echylo            (replace /usr/bin/wx-config with a valid path to your wx-config)05:41
Echylo            * Note:05:41
Echylo            Most probably, either one of the above aren't correct, you don't05:42
ograEchylo: stoop05:42
Echylo            have wxGTK installed, or are missing wxGTK-devel (or equivalent) package.05:42
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